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| 00:00.55 | itchi | michael117: I guess that your old device have changed of names, i.e. from hda to hdc or whatever |
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| 00:01.54 | michael117 | itchi: Even the hard drive with Debian installed on it which is connected to the first IDE channel? |
| 00:02.12 | itchi | michael117: Looks like (but is an big guess) |
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| 00:02.47 | phogg | michael117: weird stuff can happen. I've seen a system where the sata device names swap on reboot *sometimes*. |
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| 00:03.03 | amee2k | does OSX support ext2 natively or do i need to install an extension first? |
| 00:03.36 | maher | i'm using rsync to write to a smbfs mount but its not recognizing the long file names - is there anything I can do about this? |
| 00:03.41 | Eulex | amee2k, how would we know? :) |
| 00:03.43 | phogg | amee2k: tried a mac support channel? Or maybe ##linux? |
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| 00:04.01 | michael117 | But my data isn't affected and there are no problems with the kernel recognizing the PCI card, correct? |
| 00:04.09 | mc__ | where does emacs on debian look for the elisp files per default? |
| 00:04.11 | amee2k | i tried to /list several channel names like #osx or #macosx but they appear all dead |
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| 00:04.26 | maher | amee2k: afaik it does not but there is a mac osx add on - i don't know what its called |
| 00:04.27 | amee2k | i thought someone in such a large channel would know |
| 00:04.46 | amee2k | hm... |
| 00:04.52 | phogg | isn't host supposed to reverse lookup names by IP when given an IP? |
| 00:05.44 | phogg | host used to work, dig -x still does it but host now always returns 'not found' |
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| 00:07.39 | amee2k | think i can find it from here |
| 00:07.42 | amee2k | ty maher :) |
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| 00:09.17 | cafuego_ | amee2k: #macosx was alive 2 days ago when I was there |
| 00:09.45 | cafuego_ | amee2k: ANyway, it doesn't support ext2 natively |
| 00:10.06 | amee2k | hm.. yeah |
| 00:10.15 | amee2k | i'll keep that in mind |
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| 00:12.46 | alex_ | Hi, can someone give me the deb line for marillat (is there a repo for testing?) |
| 00:13.56 | Eclipser | !tell alex_ -about marillat |
| 00:13.56 | alex_ | awesome, thanks |
| 00:14.08 | alex_ | man I don't like the kubuntu KDE setup |
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| 00:14.43 | markw | alex_: this is #debian, not #ubuntu. |
| 00:14.47 | Eclipser | #ubuntu |
| 00:14.50 | alex_ | hahahaa |
| 00:15.03 | alex_ | you should add that to the bot |
| 00:15.07 | alex_ | onjoin |
| 00:15.11 | Eclipser | it's on topic |
| 00:15.26 | alex_ | so it is |
| 00:15.35 | alex_ | I knew that. |
| 00:15.51 | dendrite | !topicsmite alex_ |
| 00:15.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon alex_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:18.44 | robin_sz | markw, careful not to say "jehova" |
| 00:19.03 | markw | hehe. |
| 00:20.46 | phogg | some of the people read the /TOPIC; most didn't finish and many of those who did were confused |
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| 00:32.13 | dan2 | anybody know how to set the dns servers for ia32 emulation? |
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| 00:37.14 | chronographer | hi there I tried to add some repositories, etch main non free contrib and synaptic gives me an error message |
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| 00:37.41 | rvsjoen | cool |
| 00:37.47 | chronographer | "couldn't stat sourcde package |
| 00:38.00 | chronographer | what did i do wrong? |
| 00:38.23 | fenriz_ | did you add both deb and deb-src repos? |
| 00:38.28 | chronographer | yes |
| 00:38.35 | fenriz_ | non free or non-free |
| 00:38.57 | chronographer | er. non-free |
| 00:39.00 | rvsjoen | did you update the package list after adding the repos ? |
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| 00:39.07 | rvsjoen | or is that when you get the error |
| 00:39.10 | chronographer | main non-free contrib |
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| 00:39.32 | chronographer | thats when i get error, I updated /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:39.49 | chronographer | then opened synaptic, get error |
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| 00:40.02 | rvsjoen | does synaptic have a update or reload button ? |
| 00:40.18 | fenriz_ | try a different server? |
| 00:40.21 | chronographer | i just pressed reload.... |
| 00:40.48 | fenriz_ | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free and have no problems |
| 00:41.02 | fenriz_ | don't use synaptic though |
| 00:41.22 | chronographer | i think the first two are fixed, now... need keys for another one: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release |
| 00:42.38 | fenriz_ | saying blah blah key is not available? |
| 00:42.44 | chronographer | yeah |
| 00:42.59 | chronographer | i use the last part of the key and gpg something right? |
| 00:43.10 | chronographer | NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 00:43.35 | fenriz_ | I always have to google that when I see it, something like gpg --recv-key --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net <keyname> |
| 00:43.51 | fenriz_ | gpg --export <key> |apt-key add - |
| 00:44.03 | chronographer | thanks |
| 00:44.49 | fenriz_ | I'm sure my syntax is messed up but it's close |
| 00:46.24 | chronographer | im gonna have to goole it! :) |
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| 00:47.11 | JordiGH | I've never been able to figure out which block device Linux associates with my usb pendrive when it isn't /dev/sda. How can I find out? |
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| 00:47.43 | NaufraGo | I can't mount my pendrive |
| 00:47.47 | solemnwarning | JordiGH: dmesg | tail |
| 00:47.51 | JordiGH | Hey, join the club. |
| 00:48.23 | phogg | freenet uses a lot of threads |
| 00:48.38 | NaufraGo | I can't load my pendrive! can anybody help me? |
| 00:48.45 | phogg | JordiGH: tail /var/log/messages after connecting the device |
| 00:48.46 | JordiGH | solemn: Uh-oh... "usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110" |
| 00:48.47 | NaufraGo | I mean, mount.. |
| 00:49.22 | phogg | NaufraGo: what error do you get when you attempt to mount it? |
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| 00:50.28 | JordiGH | /var/log/messages is empty... |
| 00:50.44 | NaufraGo | I try to access /media/usb0 and it says that it can't see what filesystem has the drive.. |
| 00:50.45 | JordiGH | Er, and please don't /whois me. ;-) |
| 00:51.18 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Does the drive have vfat? It almost surely will unless you put a new filesystem there yourself. |
| 00:52.18 | phogg | JordiGH: for a 2.6 kernel /sys/block should list known block devices, including any sd or ub devices. |
| 00:52.19 | NaufraGo | well, I supose it has fat32, or something related to windows...... |
| 00:52.49 | didas | LightKnight: Having spent the past couple of hours trying to fix the CD playback issue (remember) I bumped into gstreamer. Do you know what gstreamer actually does in the Gnome desktop? |
| 00:52.53 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Probably fat16 or fat12. I.e. "vfat". |
| 00:53.10 | NaufraGo | what command can I use to mount my pendrive by terminal? |
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| 00:53.47 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: mount -t fvat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 |
| 00:53.50 | phogg | NaufraGo: mount -t vfat /dev/device /mount/point |
| 00:53.57 | phogg | well that was fun |
| 00:54.17 | JordiGH | I wonder if phogg will win or if my educate guess will. |
| 00:54.20 | JordiGH | educated |
| 00:54.33 | didas | anybody knows what is exactly the job of gstreamer in the GNOME desktop? |
| 00:54.35 | enouf | ~$ lshal | grep block.device |
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| 00:55.11 | JordiGH | enouf: apt-get lshal? |
| 00:55.16 | tschwinge | Howdy! |
| 00:55.24 | enouf | JordiGH: Sarge or Etch? |
| 00:55.35 | phogg | didas: it's a multimedia API and pipeline of some kind |
| 00:55.42 | JordiGH | I probably should stop asking questions.... Knoppix. |
| 00:55.57 | enouf | !slap JordiGH |
| 00:56.05 | didas | anybody can tell me in a couple of lines what tools are you using to rip CDs? (I have Debian Sarge 2.4kernel with GNOME) |
| 00:56.19 | enouf | k3b |
| 00:56.26 | didas | phogg: thx |
| 00:56.27 | NaufraGo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 00:56.29 | enouf | wodim |
| 00:56.36 | phogg | didas: grip, last time I did it |
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| 00:56.46 | tschwinge | What is the proper way to non-interactively reconfigure a Debian package, if I know what value to change (e.g. `debconf-set-selections'-wise)? |
| 00:57.08 | phogg | NaufraGo: do you know that /dev/sda1 is the correct device name? It was a guess. |
| 00:57.35 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Does /etc/fstab have an entry for /media/usb0? |
| 00:57.36 | didas | phogg: does it come with GNOME by default? I mean will I have to install it (with aptitude)? |
| 00:57.50 | LightKnight | didas: sorry, wasn't reading :/ |
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| 00:58.01 | phogg | didas: doubtful. It was pretty common a while ago but AFIAK still uses GTK1 |
| 00:58.09 | enouf | cdparanoia |
| 00:58.09 | dan2 | how do I set the DNS for an ia32 emulation setup under amd64 |
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| 00:58.32 | NaufraGo | /dev/sdb /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 |
| 00:58.54 | phogg | NaufraGo: Is that right? Did you add that yourself? |
| 00:58.57 | didas | LighKnight: I am back as promised... |
| 00:59.05 | phogg | NaufraGo: 'case usually it would be sdb1, not sdb |
| 00:59.09 | didas | enouf:cdparanoia? |
| 00:59.18 | enouf | yep |
| 00:59.29 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: So do mount /media/usb0. What does that say? |
| 00:59.30 | NaufraGo | I opened /etc/fstab file, and I saw that line there |
| 00:59.46 | JordiGH | Oh, right. |
| 01:00.12 | JordiGH | First partition. /dev/sdb1. Not the actual pendrive itself, /dev/sdb. |
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| 01:00.35 | NaufraGo | so, what should I do |
| 01:00.40 | LightKnight | didas: cdparanoia or cdda2wav (icedax in Etch). Try gnomebaker too, but I don't remember well. |
| 01:00.47 | phogg | NaufraGo: do you have any data on the drive now? |
| 01:00.48 | NaufraGo | ? |
| 01:00.52 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 01:01.01 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 |
| 01:01.21 | LightKnight | didas: did you solve with your CD? |
| 01:01.42 | NaufraGo | it doesn't give an error, but nothing happened |
| 01:01.49 | JordiGH | Good. |
| 01:01.53 | enouf | hehe autofs .. what a dump |
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| 01:01.55 | didas | LightKnight: Ok. Thx. No problem still not solved. Do you know what gstreamer does in GNOME? |
| 01:01.57 | bekks | hi |
| 01:02.02 | JordiGH | That means that your files are now in /media/usb0 |
| 01:02.22 | JordiGH | Your fstab is b0rk3d. |
| 01:02.25 | bekks | someone in here using icedove and please can tell me wether there schould be a ~/.icedove dir? |
| 01:02.40 | NaufraGo | good, it worked! thanks.. |
| 01:03.04 | JordiGH | Change /dev/sdb to /dev/sdb1. It's probably also safe to change auto to vfat. |
| 01:03.21 | JordiGH | Unless you're a weirdo like myself who puts ext2 on usb pendrives, you |
| 01:03.33 | JordiGH | you'll only ever see pendrives with vfat on them. |
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| 01:03.45 | enouf | JordiGH: it wouldn't have mounted with the vfat option then |
| 01:03.59 | JordiGH | enouf: What wouldn't? |
| 01:04.14 | JordiGH | Mine? Or NaufraGo's? |
| 01:04.32 | enouf | the other person's |
| 01:04.38 | enouf | NaufraGo: |
| 01:04.41 | JordiGH | Huh? Why wouldn't? It just did. |
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| 01:05.08 | Bipolar | I need help port forwarding via ssh. I'm trying to listen on a remote servers port, and forward to my local machine. however, I can only get it to listen on localhost of the remote server, not the outside facing interface. my command is: ssh -R 5500:localhost:5500 root@myremoteserver |
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| 01:05.38 | JordiGH | Ooh, port forwarding. Fun fun fun. Also, you allow root remote logins? Tsk! |
| 01:05.39 | enouf | > you'll only ever see pendrives with vfat on them. |
| 01:05.39 | enouf | [19:58:30] "It's probably also safe to change auto to vfat." ... <JordiGH> Unless you're a weirdo like myself who puts ext2 on usb pendrives, you |
| 01:05.53 | enouf | > JordiGH: it wouldn't have mounted with the vfat option then |
| 01:05.58 | NaufraGo | JordiGH, where do I change it? |
| 01:06.15 | NaufraGo | /etc/fstab? |
| 01:06.19 | enouf | yes |
| 01:06.24 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: edit /etc/fstab and do those changes. All will be good, despite whatever enouf is raving about. |
| 01:06.31 | LightKnight | didas: GStreamer is a streaming media framework, based on graphs of filters |
| 01:06.31 | LightKnight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.42 | LightKnight | (apt-get show gstreamer-*) |
| 01:06.46 | LightKnight | don't know much more... |
| 01:06.53 | Bipolar | JordiGH: any idea why it only listens on localhost? |
| 01:06.54 | enouf | !knoppismite JordiGH |
| 01:06.58 | Bipolar | I've even tried the reverse. I logged into the remote server, and tried to listen on a local port and forward to my client. It *still* only listens on localhost. |
| 01:06.58 | enouf | !knoppixmite JordiGH |
| 01:07.06 | enouf | !knoppixsmite JordiGH |
| 01:07.16 | enouf | 3 tries .. hehe |
| 01:07.19 | JordiGH | heheheh... |
| 01:07.34 | JordiGH | enouf: I still don't know what /etc/fstab has to do with Knoppix. :-) |
| 01:07.51 | enouf | !cluebat JordiGH |
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| 01:08.08 | NaufraGo | which is the option to set the drive to mount it automatically? |
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| 01:08.15 | blahdeblah_ | Hi all. On my newly-installed etch system, LANG is set in 3 places: /etc/default/locale, /etc/environment, /etc/locale.gen. Which is preferred/correct? |
| 01:08.15 | blahdeblah_ | The reason i ask is that my debootstrapped Xen domU didn't set up the locales properly. |
| 01:08.25 | enouf | NaufraGo: take away the noauto option |
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| 01:08.43 | blahdeblah_ | Go ClueBat! :-) |
| 01:08.49 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: No, don't do that. noauto will mean that at boot time it will always attempt to mount it. |
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| 01:08.54 | enouf | try 'defaults' instead or 'auto' oe nothing |
| 01:08.56 | asg | blahdeblah_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:09.07 | NaufraGo | so?? |
| 01:09.07 | didas | LightKnight: ESD documentation did not help to see if ESD blocks sound coming directly from CD player. I discovered that GNOME Media (a collection of multimedia applications including gnome cd) use gstreamer. I checked gstreamer-properties and neither alsa nor esd was set as input or output. I changed it to esd but problem still there. It worths trying logging out and loggin back in. I 'll do that and then call it a day, I thin |
| 01:09.28 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Well, is your pendrive forever attached to your computer at mount time, and do you never remove it? |
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| 01:09.50 | resistance | how can i make asterisk start on startup |
| 01:09.51 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: you want an automounter. I forget what it's called and if it's still a kernel patch or not. |
| 01:09.53 | karma | I formatted an external USB HDD by first creating a partition with fdisk and then using the "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1" command to put the FAT32 filesystem on it, and I can transfer data to and from it under Debian but Mac OS X complains that it needs to be initialized in order to read it if I plug it into a PowerBook. |
| 01:09.59 | NaufraGo | I want it to mount my pendrive automatically when I put it into the usb port |
| 01:10.03 | blahdeblah_ | asg: And does that take care of all the files i mentioned? |
| 01:10.04 | karma | I thought Mac OS X can read/write to FAT32? |
| 01:10.20 | Bipolar | gah... I think I might have found it. |
| 01:10.29 | blahdeblah_ | karma: It can certainly read/write vfat USB keys. |
| 01:10.36 | blahdeblah_ | I don't know about physical HDs |
| 01:10.38 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: Yes, I'm aware of what you want. apt-cache search automounter |
| 01:10.38 | PingFloyd | maybe it can, but perhaps it's has a weird idea filesystems and how it thinks they should be |
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| 01:11.24 | LightKnight | didas: did you check if ESD is running? Did you try disabling it? |
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| 01:11.38 | blahdeblah_ | "JordiGH: NaufraGo: No, don't do that. noauto will mean that at boot time it will always attempt to mount it." - s/always/never/ - noauto means *don't* attempt to mount it. |
| 01:11.44 | didas | LightKnight: By the way, if you enable Compact Disk Digital Audio (CDDA) extraction in your operating system you do not need to connect your CD player to the soundcard for CD playback (says the Creative website for my soundblaster live). |
| 01:11.46 | NaufraGo | do I need to restart linux to see changes in /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:11.58 | blahdeblah_ | NaufraGo: Only if it's your root filesystem |
| 01:12.02 | maher | i'm still having problems with long file names when rsyncing to a smbfs mount - anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:12.04 | blahdeblah_ | (Or another one you can't unmount) |
| 01:12.05 | didas | LightKnight: esd is running. I did not disable it... |
| 01:12.16 | LightKnight | didas: that's right, but wire linking is more immediate :) |
| 01:12.28 | LightKnight | didas: can you try to disable ESD and try again? |
| 01:12.47 | didas | LightNight: I 'll do that (disable esd) just to check if esd is actually blocking the signal |
| 01:12.52 | blahdeblah_ | asg: BTW, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' works on sarge, but not etch. |
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| 01:13.10 | karma | balhdeblah_: Then why is Mac OS X refusing to mount the HDD I formatted under Debian? |
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| 01:13.22 | LightKnight | didas: of course, check that audio is actually using ALSA in the Gnome system properties (or whatever). |
| 01:13.25 | JordiGH | NaufraGo: You never need to restart Debian unless you just installed a different kernel. |
| 01:13.26 | blahdeblah_ | asg: Correction - it works on etch *if* i don't use debootstrap to install... |
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| 01:13.37 | blahdeblah_ | karma: No idea. Did you connect it via USB? |
| 01:14.02 | kuko | Hello, Im sitting here staring at a sony psyc mp3 player my dad dropped off and told me to fill up -_-, He wants it for the cruise hes going on and i have no clue how to work this dang thing. I put the music on but its telling me theres no data, anyone have experneise with this mp3 player? |
| 01:14.29 | JordiGH | What was the thing to do automounting? Both GNOME and KDE have done automounting for me in recent Debians. How do they do it? |
| 01:14.44 | maher | JordiGH: hal / pmount? |
| 01:15.04 | didas | LightKnight: I 'll come back to this tomorrow I think. If you are here you may hear the solution. Thanks for the help mate. c u around |
| 01:15.05 | enouf | JordiGH: that's a bunch of hogwash |
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| 01:15.14 | kuko | Anyone at all.. |
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| 01:15.27 | blahdeblah_ | kuko: Try #sony? :-) |
| 01:15.30 | LightKnight | didas: you're welcome, sorry I don't have much experience with Gnome/ESD and such :) |
| 01:15.41 | Guerin | the only good gnome is a dead one |
| 01:15.49 | kuko | Wow blahdeblah_ what my friend said was true |
| 01:15.49 | blahdeblah_ | :-D |
| 01:15.53 | PingFloyd | don't you mean in theory you never need to reboot :) |
| 01:15.55 | enouf | !shoot gnome |
| 01:16.00 | kuko | You people do just give fake rooms so you dont have to answer the question |
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| 01:16.10 | DarkCow | kuko, is there an option in the device's settings (maybe something to do with USB) that mentions "mass storage"? |
| 01:16.36 | luigi | hi all, etch is configuring my video card with the driver fglrx, it's always been nv (riva128) so i can't get into X, "no screens found". I've done a few 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but no dice. Any way to solve this? I'm dist-upgrading from sarge to etch. |
| 01:16.37 | Guerin | kuko: why the hell would any of us have any care about sony toys? |
| 01:16.38 | kuko | its labled as a mountable removeable medium |
| 01:16.40 | blahdeblah_ | kuko: It was a joke, hence the :-) - if we have no idea about your question, what would you prefer? |
| 01:16.45 | JordiGH | enouf: Hogwash? Not at all. You stick in a pendrive in GNOME and a little icon appears on your desktop corresponding to your pendrive. How? |
| 01:16.57 | DarkCow | kuko, mount it then, and add some music? |
| 01:17.01 | kuko | Guerin, i wasnt asking if you cared i was asking if you knew |
| 01:17.02 | kuko | I did |
| 01:17.06 | kuko | the musics all sitting on it |
| 01:17.11 | kuko | It says theres nothing on it |
| 01:17.19 | Guerin | JordiGH: #gnome on irc.gnome.org cares |
| 01:17.21 | enouf | JordiGH: you are looney after all .. --> [20:08:20] <JordiGH> NaufraGo: You never need to restart Debian unless you just installed a different kernel. <--- is Bullshit |
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| 01:17.45 | Guerin | enouf: the other one is when you need to replace hardware |
| 01:17.54 | JordiGH | enouf: *shrug* I guess it depends on your definition of "need". |
| 01:17.56 | enouf | Guerin: there are others as well |
| 01:17.58 | Guerin | JordiGH: i think it might be gnome-vfs |
| 01:18.02 | Guerin | enouf: name two |
| 01:18.12 | enouf | Guerin: no .. figure it out yourself |
| 01:18.17 | Guerin | enouf: you lose. |
| 01:18.30 | enouf | !cluebat Guerin |
| 01:18.37 | karma | balhdeblah_: Yes,as soon as I turned it on Mac OS X complained about it needing to be initialized |
| 01:18.56 | karma | Should I not used the mkfs.vfat command to make a FAT32 filesystem if I want the USB HDD to work with Mac OS X? |
| 01:19.06 | blahdeblah_ | karma: If you don't have data on it, let Mac OS X format it and see how it comes up when you plug it in & mount it on Linux |
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| 01:19.21 | Guerin | partition type is more relevant |
| 01:19.30 | JordiGH | alias apt-get apt-get && reboot -n |
| 01:19.40 | karma | balhdeblah_: Yeah,but FAT32 isn't an option for Mac OS X. I don't want to use something proprietary and retarded like HFS+ |
| 01:19.55 | blahdeblah_ | enouf: It is generally accepted that the one making an assertion should be the one to substantiate it. |
| 01:20.07 | enouf | karma: ext2 perhaps |
| 01:20.09 | JordiGH | That alias won't do what I say it is I do, but y'know. :P |
| 01:20.13 | PingFloyd | let's get more pedantic |
| 01:20.18 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 01:20.19 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 01:20.29 | enouf | blahdeblah_: I didn't assert .. I called bullshit on an assertion |
| 01:20.34 | blahdeblah_ | karma: Just try it - if it's proprietary and you don't like it, you can always reformat. :-) |
| 01:20.46 | blahdeblah_ | enouf: Your assertion was "there are others as well" |
| 01:20.50 | Guerin | enouf: and failed to back your claim of bullshit. You lost already. Deal. |
| 01:21.14 | karma | Does anyone know a way to format a USB hard drive with FAT32 so Mac OS X can read/write to it? |
| 01:21.30 | JordiGH | karma: fat32? I think you want vfat. |
| 01:21.32 | Guerin | kuko: use linux tools like *fdisk |
| 01:21.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:21.39 | Guerin | karma: |
| 01:21.47 | enouf | !be a reading barbie Guerin |
| 01:21.47 | JordiGH | karma: I liked gparted myself. |
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| 01:22.06 | blahdeblah_ | karma: Didn't i just suggest that? There's an option when you format that lets you choose what type of file system to put on it. |
| 01:22.07 | Guerin | enouf: are you more or less drunk than usual today? |
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| 01:23.00 | karma | JordiGH: I was under the impression that FAT32 and vfat were identical |
| 01:23.02 | enouf | Guerin: lemme see you do a sarge->etch without rebooting |
| 01:23.28 | PingFloyd | that's something that one does every day |
| 01:23.51 | luigi | i'm dist-upgrading from sarge to etch, etch is configuring my video card with the driver 'fglrx' when it has always been 'nv' (nvidia riva128), no matter how many times i do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' it doesn't let me X, the error is 'no screens found' any ideas? |
| 01:23.52 | blahdeblah_ | karma: (Or maybe that was Mac OS 9 - but try it anyway) |
| 01:23.53 | enouf | not when movig from hotplug/devfs to udev/hal |
| 01:24.07 | Cyis | anyone dealt with hosting with Grokthis.net? |
| 01:24.36 | PingFloyd | lol, speak of the devil |
| 01:24.46 | blahdeblah_ | karma: FAT32 and vfat are not quite identical IIRC - i think it's something to do with Unicode filenames vs. ASCII. |
| 01:25.03 | Guerin | enouf: reboot's only needed if it involves a kernel change |
| 01:25.11 | liable | luigi: edit it by hand. have you checked the release notes? |
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| 01:25.18 | Guerin | enouf: so you still lose. |
| 01:25.25 | luigi | liable, done that |
| 01:25.26 | PingFloyd | something like that blahdeblah |
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| 01:25.33 | enouf | Guerin: not according to udev post.inst scripts |
| 01:25.42 | enouf | so you lose |
| 01:25.56 | Guerin | enouf: udev isn't necessary |
| 01:25.59 | brandon_ | how many of the cd's do i need to complete an install for ia64? |
| 01:25.59 | NaufraGo | is it possible use my Canon/PIXMA iP1600 printer in debian? |
| 01:26.10 | enouf | Guerin: don't mice words |
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| 01:26.15 | enouf | mince even |
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| 01:26.23 | enouf | You lose .. now admit it |
| 01:26.28 | Guerin | enouf: the point was *need* to. |
| 01:26.33 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: I can't speak for ia64, but in general the answer is: "it depends on what you want to use". |
| 01:26.42 | brandon_ | kde |
| 01:26.46 | brandon_ | and internet |
| 01:26.49 | Guerin | enouf: it took you how long to come up with one half-arsed counter-example? |
| 01:26.49 | NaufraGo | is it possible use my Canon/PIXMA iP1600 printer in debian? |
| 01:26.56 | Guerin | NaufraGo: anything's possible. |
| 01:27.06 | Guerin | NaufraGo: linux-printing.org knows |
| 01:27.11 | NaufraGo | I don't think so, not for me |
| 01:27.17 | brandon_ | so just cd1? |
| 01:27.19 | enouf | Guerin: I can bury the friggin box in the baackyard .. guess what .. no "need" to reboot .. you have no point .. give it up .. you lose |
| 01:27.20 | brandon_ | to install |
| 01:27.20 | JordiGH | !lart enouf |
| 01:27.26 | NaufraGo | linux-printing said me 'no' |
| 01:27.45 | PingFloyd | I'm sure if you search hard enough, you'll come up with a scenario that requires a reboot other than loading a different kernel |
| 01:27.46 | Guerin | enouf: now you lose again for absurd argument |
| 01:27.53 | enouf | Guerin: It took no time .. but you still couldn't figure it out eh? |
| 01:27.58 | Guerin | NaufraGo: then it's not currently possible |
| 01:28.11 | h3sp4wn | brandon_: Why did you buy an itanium to run kde ? (out of interest) |
| 01:28.32 | brandon_ | oh i thought ia meant amd64 |
| 01:28.37 | NaufraGo | neighter alternative options, drivers? |
| 01:28.39 | enouf | where's dreams come true |
| 01:28.41 | Guerin | !think |
| 01:28.41 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 01:28.46 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: No, it means itanium |
| 01:28.49 | brandon_ | what does kde use |
| 01:28.52 | enouf | !bea reading barbie |
| 01:28.54 | brandon_ | oh which version do I want |
| 01:28.57 | enouf | !be reading barbie |
| 01:28.57 | dpkg | reading is hard! |
| 01:28.59 | enouf | bah |
| 01:29.04 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: amd64 == EM64T == x86_64 |
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| 01:29.16 | blahdeblah_ | (Roughly) |
| 01:29.22 | brandon_ | cool |
| 01:29.36 | JordiGH | Microsoft intentionally crippled fat32? Well, surprise, surprise... |
| 01:29.38 | NaufraGo | are there alternative options, drivers for my printer? |
| 01:29.51 | Guerin | NaufraGo: buy a decent printer, preferably not a canon |
| 01:29.59 | bekks | someone in here using icedove and please can tell me wether there schould be a ~/.icedove dir? |
| 01:30.04 | Guerin | canon are almost as bad as sony for that shit |
| 01:30.05 | NaufraGo | haha |
| 01:30.08 | andiolsi | amd64 != ia64 |
| 01:30.16 | blahdeblah_ | NaufraGo: A nicer way of saying what Guerin said is: linux-printing.org has some recommendations. ;-) |
| 01:30.25 | NaufraGo | why are they bad? |
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| 01:30.41 | blahdeblah_ | Not cooperative with Linux developers - i.e. don't provide specs |
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| 01:30.46 | NaufraGo | I just need to print texts and some images, and it does great.. I don't want more than this |
| 01:30.50 | Guerin | NaufraGo: because they insist on using their own proprietary shit when perfectly good free/open standards are available |
| 01:30.51 | brandon_ | should I install 32bit? |
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| 01:31.01 | Guerin | brandon_: yes. |
| 01:31.05 | brandon_ | why |
| 01:31.09 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: no |
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| 01:31.12 | blahdeblah_ | brandon: maybe |
| 01:31.14 | Guerin | brandon_: because amd64 is too hard for you. |
| 01:31.14 | JordiGH | !blob |
| 01:31.15 | dpkg | blob is probably a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 01:31.16 | blahdeblah_ | Pick the answer you like the best |
| 01:31.28 | brandon_ | lol |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | brandon_: i'm serious. The install might ne tricky, but some things simply won't run in 64, then you have to make a 32-bit chroot, and make it run for those apps ... if you understand what that means then go ahead., |
| 01:32.05 | PingFloyd | sounds like about 90% of the hardware manufacturers these days. Somewhere at some point, hardware development got confused for software development |
| 01:32.10 | Guerin | if not, just use 32-bit and be happy |
| 01:32.14 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: I'm using amd64 on my Core 2 Duo because i want it to have the best performance possible. I'm prepared to wear some incompatibilities and a little general strangeness. |
| 01:32.45 | andiolsi | brandon_: you wont notice anything, unless you have like massive i/o on your box |
| 01:32.54 | blahdeblah_ | PingFloyd: You mean somewhere along the way, hardware development started trying to dictate terms to software development. |
| 01:33.00 | brandon_ | massive i/o? |
| 01:33.09 | andiolsi | but then again, if you had that, you wont be using x86 anyways |
| 01:33.15 | PingFloyd | blahdeblah_: that too |
| 01:33.41 | andiolsi | brandon_: like a database with a really, really high amount of transactions per second |
| 01:33.53 | JordiGH | I wonder if anyone will sell me a laptop with a Tux key instead of a Windows key. |
| 01:33.57 | PingFloyd | actually, somewhere along the way, the computer industry became a dictatorship in general |
| 01:34.29 | andiolsi | brandon_: all in all amd64 is a marketing gag and em64t is just the same |
| 01:34.44 | JordiGH | PingFloyd: Power, brother. |
| 01:34.58 | brandon_ | how is it a marketing gag? |
| 01:35.15 | brandon_ | nevermind that |
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| 01:35.28 | brandon_ | in what ways is debian better than ubuntu/kubuntu? |
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| 01:35.38 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 01:35.38 | dpkg | SuSE sux0rz! |
| 01:35.42 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 01:35.43 | zinx | !tell brandon_ about whydebian |
| 01:36.15 | TiGZ | Anyone wanna see my Linux Security Poster? |
| 01:36.18 | TiGZ | :) |
| 01:36.27 | Guerin | amd64 is mostly useless for normal users. For some things it's very cool, but most people don't ened it for those things. |
| 01:36.31 | andiolsi | brandon_: define "better" |
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| 01:36.45 | brandon_ | more complete and thorough |
| 01:36.51 | JordiGH | Guerin: Numerical computations. I crave 64 bits for that. |
| 01:36.52 | karat | How do you see if a service is running (without using pgrep or ps)? |
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| 01:37.21 | andiolsi | brandon_: in every way |
| 01:37.22 | Guerin | brandon_: it's more complete because it has ~15,000 more supported packages than ubuntu, and it's more thorough because it undergoes a 2-3 year stabilisation cycle instead of a 6 month cycle |
| 01:37.25 | enouf | karat: lsof maybe |
| 01:37.35 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes. You would be the diminishing minority. |
| 01:37.45 | karat | enouf, well I mean theres nothing debian does to track the init scripts status? |
| 01:37.59 | TiGZ | http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uselinuxcv6.jpg |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | karat: /var/run should have a lockfile or a pid file |
| 01:38.40 | Guerin | karat: looking at the init script in question will tell you exactly |
| 01:38.41 | enouf | cat /proc/PID perhaps too karat |
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| 01:39.02 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.08 | brandon_ | if I install the 64bit version, will there be a wine package in repos? |
| 01:39.08 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.10 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.11 | enouf | !ops |
| 01:39.11 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:39.12 | Guerin | !ops Sprockytowner |
| 01:39.12 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: Sprockytowner |
| 01:39.14 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.18 | Sprockytowner | http://www.webradiotoplist.de/cgi-bin/megatoplist/toplist.pl?action=click_in&account=radionachteule |
| 01:39.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:39.28 | Guerin | pwns |
| 01:39.32 | TiGZ | !floodkick Sptockytowner |
| 01:39.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:39.35 | brandon_ | if I install the 64bit version, will there be a wine package in repos? |
| 01:39.37 | streuner | RichiH: ? |
| 01:39.41 | streuner | hm |
| 01:39.46 | streuner | or LoRez |
| 01:39.50 | Guerin | brandon_: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:39.50 | streuner | thanks |
| 01:39.59 | darev | hi all, is there a detailed documentation of how dpkg signing packages? i googled a bit, but all docs belongs to "how to sign deb packages". |
| 01:40.16 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: apt-cache search on my amd64 machine says no. |
| 01:40.23 | azeem | darev: signing at package level isn't really deployed yet |
| 01:40.27 | streuner | Guerin: heh, at this time? |
| 01:40.38 | brandon_ | so i'm better off installing 32bit |
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| 01:41.07 | darev | azeem_uni: does it require difficult development? |
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| 01:41.58 | darev | azeem_uni: i'm a bit suprised to hear that, such a big package manager... |
| 01:42.08 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: Of course, you can run a 32-bit guest OS via Xen, VMware, chroot, etc. |
| 01:42.36 | JordiGH | What? So when apt complains about unverified packages, it's not checking signatures? |
| 01:42.44 | azeem | darev: what exactly are you trying to do/ask? |
| 01:42.44 | brandon_ | Xen? |
| 01:42.59 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: search wikipedia |
| 01:43.01 | azeem | JordiGH: that is unrelated |
| 01:43.06 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: or google |
| 01:43.12 | blahdeblah_ | brandon_: Or just about anything |
| 01:43.20 | fenriz_ | Xen will save the world |
| 01:43.36 | JordiGH | !xen |
| 01:43.37 | dpkg | [xen] an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 01:43.39 | darev | azeem_uni: i'm trying to learn signing strategies of package managers. how they make the job. |
| 01:43.46 | czr | doesn't replace vmware though, unfortunately |
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| 01:44.00 | azeem | darev: read the source, then |
| 01:44.05 | andiolsi | czr: why do you think so? |
| 01:44.05 | JordiGH | !nm |
| 01:44.06 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 01:44.11 | JordiGH | !nmg |
| 01:44.11 | dpkg | i heard nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 01:44.19 | azeem | JordiGH: please /msg the bot |
| 01:44.24 | czr | andiolsi, because I do a lot of preboot sw development |
| 01:44.33 | JordiGH | azeem: Those last two were for darev. |
| 01:44.37 | czr | preboot meaning stuff that happens before linux kernel gains control |
| 01:44.41 | blahdeblah_ | darev: The NMG is pretty good - have a read |
| 01:45.00 | azeem | JordiGH: uhm, the new maintainer's guide doesn't discuss "signing strategies of package managers" |
| 01:45.05 | RvGaTe | Good evening |
| 01:45.10 | brandon_ | when kde4 is released, will it be an upgrade or a reinstall from debian? |
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| 01:45.24 | JordiGH | azeem: Am I misunderstanding what "signing" means? |
| 01:45.25 | azeem | brandon_: a Debiain release will eventually ship kde4 |
| 01:45.29 | azeem | JordiGH: yes |
| 01:45.36 | andiolsi | czr: when does a kernel gain control? |
| 01:45.36 | azeem | brandon_: you can then upgrade to it |
| 01:45.43 | darev | azeem_uni: i'll read the source at last. but it could be good to find a doc. thanx |
| 01:45.46 | brandon_ | without loosing files? |
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| 01:46.00 | czr | andiolsi, hopefully at some point after it being loaded into memory and located into the proper place :-) |
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| 01:46.08 | JordiGH | The nmg talks about how to sign packages with your gpg key. What does darev want? |
| 01:46.10 | czr | andiolsi, something needs to load it first |
| 01:46.12 | LOLZebra | yo |
| 01:46.24 | azeem | " i googled a bit, but all docs belongs to "how to sign deb packages"." |
| 01:46.33 | PingFloyd | think he wants verisign or something |
| 01:46.35 | azeem | so he's apparently looking for something else |
| 01:46.42 | andiolsi | czr: and since xen loads it and you are no xen developer ... ;) |
| 01:47.12 | darev | JordiGH: i want some stuff at development level. |
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| 01:47.27 | czr | andiolsi, no. I develop software that starts systems. xen doesn't emulate 16-bit x86 properly enough for me to use it for that. nothing does except vmware |
| 01:47.42 | RvGaTe | I installed UDEV, rebooted, and plugged in a usb device (Freecom Classic Network Drive, 400GB).... this are my kernel messages: http://pastebin.com/848218 but it doesn't show up in /dev/ ... what do i do ? |
| 01:47.52 | karma | czr: emulate? You mean virtualize? |
| 01:48.14 | czr | karma, how do you assume that VT is used in Xen to run unmodified operating systems? |
| 01:48.16 | LOLZebra | I'll soon find out |
| 01:48.27 | czr | karma, paravirtualization is one possibility, emulation is other |
| 01:48.38 | azeem | czr: qemu might as well |
| 01:48.42 | czr | xen knows how to do both when running on a VT CPU |
| 01:48.52 | brandon_ | why isn't the 64bit world supported yet |
| 01:49.10 | brandon_ | why aren't the same applications available |
| 01:49.17 | brandon_ | like wine and better audio support |
| 01:49.24 | czr | azeem, I'm not looking for replacements for vmware. I _know_ that it is the only one doing proper emulation for my needs. I _have_ tested everything. |
| 01:49.30 | andiolsi | brandon_: because someone didnt do it yet |
| 01:49.51 | Cyis | or the new KVM virutalization in the 2.6.20 kernel coming out soon |
| 01:50.04 | czr | Cyis, that too is done via VT |
| 01:50.18 | czr | VT doesn't solve the pre-exec emulation problem |
| 01:50.40 | petemc | czr: have you looked at pygrub? |
| 01:50.58 | czr | petemc, not really. why? :-) |
| 01:51.08 | wynto | I've run into a problem using a USB to Serial Converter. I'm running Sarge and according to dmesg it's using /dev/ttyUSB0. But it doesn't seem to be working when connecting two computers. I've tried another distro and it works fine on it. the modules seem to be loaded from using lsmod; pl2303, usbserial, usb-uhci, and usbcore. i've tried googling but can't find anything concrete. any ideas? |
| 01:51.37 | petemc | czr: i thought it may be of interest to you, is all |
| 01:51.49 | Cyis | I've been making use of VMware (Server & Workstation) as well as Xen myself... |
| 01:52.03 | Cyis | been doing fine without a VT processor |
| 01:52.12 | czr | petemc, well, just out of curiosity. I have what one might call "special" needs for the pre-boot stuff that I'm doing |
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| 01:53.13 | Cyis | well pizza is here... so I'm afk |
| 01:54.04 | czr | petemc, heh, I thought pygrub was "put python into grub" or "reimplement grub in python!". seems something completely else :-). the project doesn't seem to have a homepage, does it? |
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| 01:55.16 | petemc | czr: im not aware of a homepage |
| 01:55.37 | czr | k, maybe will take a closer look once I have time to play with xen again |
| 01:56.39 | czr | Cyis, did you run unmodified guests on xen without VT? |
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| 01:56.51 | czr | unmodified = without explicit xen support build in into the guest |
| 01:57.21 | Cyis | czr: I've run either FC5/6 or Debian under Xen |
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| 01:57.58 | czr | Cyis, that doesn't really answer my question |
| 01:58.14 | czr | and besides, you don't need to answer it. it was rhetorical. |
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| 02:01.36 | brandon_ | how do people install the apple mod toolbar at the bottom? |
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| 02:09.00 | resistance | what does this mean: [Sat Dec 30 07:58:30 2006] [info] removed PID file /var/run/apache2.pid (pid=3317) |
| 02:09.02 | resistance | [Sat Dec 30 07:58:30 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down: its the error i get when i start my box and apache2 doesn't start, but i acn start it manually aftre boot |
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| 02:10.32 | moshii | resistance: something removed the file with apache's process id, and got a sigterm so bailed out |
| 02:10.35 | sparr | anything scary i need to hear before 'upgrading' from firefox to iceweasel? |
| 02:11.08 | RvGaTe | When i do "lsusb -v" where do i look for the usb version number? (2.0 or 1.0) |
| 02:11.13 | resistance | moshii: any way to find out what is wrong? |
| 02:11.29 | moshii | resistance: has apache stopped working? |
| 02:11.59 | resistance | moshii, no it doesn't start on boot, if i start manuall after boot it works fine |
| 02:12.18 | chris_goe | RvGaTe, I think "lspci" will reveal that information (ehci vs. u/ohci) |
| 02:12.27 | ejot | erm, is there a way to set default permissions for a certain folder and its children while not affecting the rest of the system? |
| 02:12.28 | moshii | resistance: are you getting those messages on boot? |
| 02:12.52 | resistance | yes |
| 02:14.02 | RvGaTe | chris_goe, 0000:00:1f.4 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 01), doesn't really tell me the version |
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| 02:14.37 | enouf | RvGaTe: your pastebin revealed uhci_hcd == 1.1 |
| 02:14.47 | moshii | resistance: I think you need to find out what is sending apache that sigterm |
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| 02:15.14 | enouf | RvGaTe: hwinfo --usb |
| 02:15.26 | chris_goe | iirc, uhci/ohci is all v1.1. |
| 02:15.39 | enouf | ehci/ohci is 2.0 |
| 02:16.31 | zinx | uchi/ochi is v1.1 |
| 02:16.33 | zinx | echi is 2.0 |
| 02:16.46 | RvGaTe | hmm, guess im pinned at 1.1 |
| 02:16.46 | zinx | erh, hci |
| 02:16.58 | bekks | uhci is intel controllers at 2.0 |
| 02:17.08 | zinx | no |
| 02:18.33 | enouf | Open and Enhanced are 2.0 |
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| 02:22.49 | michael117 | I have LVM set up across three hard drives and I will be shuffling some hard drives around and their letters will be changing and I would like to configure the PV's to be pointed to the correct devices. Does LVM store this in a file somewhere? How can I change which device is pointed to for each PV? |
| 02:23.16 | czr | michael117, LVM1 or LVM2? |
| 02:23.20 | michael117 | LVM2 |
| 02:23.25 | czr | LVM keeps the metadata on each PV automatically |
| 02:23.34 | czr | rearranging the disks won't cause problems for LVM |
| 02:23.52 | czr | unless you're using hardcoded device names to mount some raw partitions, it should work without any problems |
| 02:24.25 | czr | (it uses internally generated UUIDs to assocate everything and stores all config replicated over all PVs) |
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| 02:24.49 | czr | so unless you clone some hard disk at block level and attach the clone at the same time to the system, it will work (should at least ;-) |
| 02:25.16 | michael117 | ahh... incredible |
| 02:25.25 | czr | not really :-) |
| 02:25.45 | michael117 | I actually made partitions on each that spans the entire drive that is set to type 8e |
| 02:25.54 | michael117 | that makes no difference, correct? |
| 02:26.16 | czr | in large environments the scsi ids move around and it's important to access correct data anyway (device names change). so it was a top requirement. no device file names are used in lvm (other than vgactivate when it scans through all system block devices looking for PVs) |
| 02:26.34 | czr | 8e is LVM/PV, right? |
| 02:26.39 | michael117 | yes sir |
| 02:26.48 | czr | so it is |
| 02:26.53 | itchi | Someone know where i can get nice ascii art stuff about Debian, such like this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/ |
| 02:27.10 | czr | michael117, the config that you've done is the recommended way |
| 02:27.31 | czr | although creating PVs directly on a block device (hard disk) is also supported, but has other management ramifications |
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| 02:28.23 | michael117 | czr: Like what? |
| 02:28.55 | czr | psychological confusion when systems go berserk and you can't even do an fdisk -l to find out how the device is partitioned ;-) |
| 02:28.59 | michael117 | czr: Is it harder to recognize because the entire disk is part of the LVM rather than a typical hard drive with partitions? |
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| 02:29.13 | czr | technically not. for operator in problem situations it is |
| 02:29.24 | czr | LVM doesn't care |
| 02:29.33 | michael117 | <3 LVM |
| 02:29.39 | czr | it's ok |
| 02:30.18 | czr | pretty much a requirement for anything serious on serverside anyway |
| 02:30.28 | itchi | I want that Debian logo in ascii art, arg not find that back :-( |
| 02:30.41 | czr | but people don't often understand how LV-locations/fragmentation will affect performance and seek times and such. |
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| 02:31.01 | czr | not that they would understand that with single raw filesystem over a partition, but :-) |
| 02:31.25 | czr | itchi, can't you use some pnm2ascii program or smt? |
| 02:31.28 | ida01 | I want to make a live DVD, is it possible to make it with Debian |
| 02:31.31 | czr | I used to do couple of logos that way |
| 02:31.47 | michael117 | ida01: Are you sure one doesn't exist already? |
| 02:32.08 | RvGaTe | Next question, how do i format this usb device as fat32? (/dev/sda1) |
| 02:32.11 | itchi | czr: Yeah, maybe, i had see long time ago many debian related ascii art. Was so beautifull, dump of me to not have save the link |
| 02:32.18 | ida01 | no, I asking which package does that - |
| 02:32.23 | czr | RvGaTe, mkfs.msdos or mkfs.vfat (latter preferred) |
| 02:32.48 | alexander | im trying to set up an EFI boot in debian... i need two partitions for boot? the normal unix partition and a FAT32 partition for ELILO? |
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| 02:32.58 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 02:33.04 | itchi | RvGaTe: sda1, more presisly the 1 mean partition 1 of sda |
| 02:33.22 | quik_ | how can I check what packages have been installed with apt-get? |
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| 02:33.45 | itchi | quik_: dpkg -l foo |
| 02:33.46 | RvGaTe | quik_, dpkg -l |
| 02:34.15 | itchi | quik_: Where foo, could be are bar, baz, xuu, buu, ... :-) |
| 02:34.32 | czr | "how do I make apt-get, localepurge and dpkg fill everything the unlink with binary zero just before the unlink"? :-) |
| 02:34.38 | quik_ | thanks itchi, far more useful than ubuntu |
| 02:34.48 | itchi | quik_: What's ubuntu? |
| 02:34.55 | itchi | quik_: :-) |
| 02:34.57 | quik_ | it seems that every kid and his pet snake installed ubuntu |
| 02:35.20 | quik_ | I only went that way for newer packages |
| 02:35.25 | czr | it looks pretty out of the box. that's why :-) |
| 02:35.35 | itchi | quik_: That's why we don't run buntu stuff :-) |
| 02:35.38 | PingFloyd | newer is overrated |
| 02:36.12 | itchi | !foo |
| 02:36.12 | dpkg | [foo] the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 02:36.14 | michael117 | czr: How does an LVM LV spanned across multiple drives compare to a normal partition on one drive in terms of speed and performance? Does it wear down the hard drives any more or less? |
| 02:36.16 | quik_ | PingFloyd: although sometimes it renders debian commerically not viable |
| 02:36.27 | RvGaTe | czr, dont have those commands |
| 02:36.32 | itchi | quik_: Look about foo ;-) ^ |
| 02:36.50 | PingFloyd | I don't that's an issue for Debian |
| 02:36.57 | PingFloyd | commercial viable isn't one of the goals |
| 02:37.11 | czr | RvGaTe, apt-get install dosfstools? |
| 02:37.21 | PingFloyd | Debian is probably one of the last distros that commercial viable is relevent |
| 02:37.37 | itchi | RvGaTe: Have you the fat related modules loaded? |
| 02:38.23 | czr | michael117, of course it compares :-). but you first need to know how a single hard disk behaves (performance-wise) and then start making it more complicated |
| 02:38.23 | PingFloyd | it's a strong advocate of the free open source movement |
| 02:38.24 | czr | michael117, you might find these pictures useful (or not): http://koltsoff.com/pub/blockspeed/ |
| 02:38.28 | quik_ | PingFloyd: which will have it left in the dust |
| 02:38.37 | itchi | RvGaTe: lsmod | grep *fat* |
| 02:38.42 | czr | michael117, linear read speed over logical position within harddisk |
| 02:39.07 | itchi | RvGaTe: To see which modules you can load, if it's not yet already, modprobe -l *fat* |
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| 02:39.13 | czr | michael117, for most hard drives it's pretty predictable, but not all. also for color versions try /blockspeed2/ (unfortunately that grapher is not yet complete) |
| 02:39.28 | PingFloyd | quik_: will never happen if there is always an interest in it's development and use |
| 02:39.50 | itchi | RvGaTe: btw, modconf, an little ncurse bassed cli tool to select the modules to load at boot time ... |
| 02:39.55 | czr | itchi, no module needed in order to run mkfs |
| 02:39.59 | PingFloyd | it doesn't have the same bottomlines like organization like redhat and novell |
| 02:40.01 | czr | itchi, only when mounting |
| 02:40.24 | itchi | czr: Yup, but he have try to format his stuff with cfdisk, then try to mount it |
| 02:40.34 | michael117 | czr: Because LVM isn't actually a RAID and doesn't strip the data across drives, but it is still faster? |
| 02:40.43 | czr | well. cfdisk is not very good at formatting anything :-) |
| 02:40.58 | itchi | czr: And after 'write' to the disk, it have look like it have not write it too |
| 02:41.01 | RvGaTe | how long will it take to format 400gb? :P |
| 02:41.15 | czr | michael117, there are some interesting notes on linux sw raid as well on those pages |
| 02:41.25 | czr | RvGaTe, what's the device? |
| 02:41.35 | czr | don't tell me. 400 GiB over an USB using 1.1 port? |
| 02:41.36 | RvGaTe | czr, external hdd, 400gb |
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| 02:42.17 | czr | michael117, LVM calls stripes as "mirrors". it's possible to stripe with LVM |
| 02:42.33 | RvGaTe | czr, bit of pain in the ass yeah, but i dot have any choice atm |
| 02:42.42 | czr | michael117, not very often done though. LVM doesn't slow down disk access per se. it's basically just a fancy address translation system |
| 02:42.44 | alexander | im trying to set up an EFI boot... i need two partitions for boot? the normal unix partition and a FAT32 partition for ELILO? ive set up lvm partitions with /, /home, and /boot... ive also made a primary fat32 partition for elilo, is this correct? |
| 02:42.45 | etrask | oh god |
| 02:42.47 | etrask | USB 1.1 |
| 02:42.58 | czr | RvGaTe, then it will take "a while". usb 1.1 is dog-slow |
| 02:43.40 | etrask | In my experience computers don't upgrade their own hardware, no matter how loudly you scream |
| 02:43.49 | etrask | Or maybe I should try harder next time |
| 02:44.02 | RvGaTe | etrask, i cant upgrade this onboard usb device |
| 02:44.08 | czr | michael117, I/O optimization is pretty hard in real environments (not desktops). I'd need to know more about the anticipated loads and patterns to give any useful advice |
| 02:44.10 | michael117 | or actually scream rather than type it out as though you were |
| 02:44.21 | etrask | yeah |
| 02:44.23 | PingFloyd | usb 2.0 is slow enough as it is |
| 02:44.25 | czr | he's practicing COBOL |
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| 02:45.29 | czr | michael117, if you look at the pictures, you'll notice that if you want to have fast LVs, they need to be located at the start of the disks (assuming you have "normal" disks, some disks do internal mapping in weird ways) |
| 02:45.33 | etrask | so recently my debian box has started screwing up... when I 'ls' it gives me a bus error... then kicks me off SSH |
| 02:45.50 | czr | michael117, also if you have multiple large LVs on single disk and access hits both, then the disk will be seeking a lot |
| 02:45.54 | etrask | ...sounds like a hardware problem, since nothing has changed on the box |
| 02:46.11 | RvGaTe | so what mount options do i need in fstab to make sure every user can read/write to this mounted usb device? |
| 02:46.15 | czr | michael117, so it's quite difficult without getting more info and I'm not up for that right now. maybe someone else can give you good advice :-) |
| 02:46.15 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yup, you should maybe need to look to buy an faster controller, just look to the speed of your hdd before buying the new usb controller |
| 02:47.01 | czr | RvGaTe, not a question that many people ask often |
| 02:47.11 | czr | RvGaTe, man mount? /vfat check for the mode stuff. |
| 02:47.22 | czr | experiment on command line first and then fix fstab |
| 02:47.45 | PingFloyd | there was some blurb from dpkg on here about that |
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| 02:47.55 | michael117 | czr: Well, I'm actually pretty tired right now so this is really over my head |
| 02:48.18 | michael117 | czr: Are you a server admin during the day? |
| 02:48.22 | czr | michael117, yeah, been coding whole day, tired too. drop me a privmsg later on if you have questions about blockspeed |
| 02:48.30 | PingFloyd | RvGaTe: ask dpkg on here about that, I remember it having some info about that |
| 02:48.32 | czr | freelancer nowadays |
| 02:48.36 | itchi | RvGaTe: Depending of you needs /dev/sda /mnt/foo vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto 0 0 |
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| 02:48.49 | michael117 | czr: How did you learn about all this? |
| 02:49.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: Look with 'id' to know your uid of your user |
| 02:49.11 | czr | michael117, reading the source and measuring performance? |
| 02:49.19 | czr | and writing software that measures performance |
| 02:49.28 | RvGaTe | itchi, and again, you mis-understood my question |
| 02:49.38 | RvGaTe | itchi, you really are from belgium |
| 02:49.40 | czr | also some words exchanged with people who are much wiser than me |
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| 02:49.44 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yup |
| 02:50.04 | liable | umask=000 usually does it |
| 02:50.07 | itchi | Gona take some sleep maybe, Peter Pan on ice was to hard this afternoon :-) |
| 02:50.19 | czr | michael117, later though, have fun |
| 02:50.45 | michael117 | czr: Well, thank you very much! You are much more helpful than this other fellow who will help me but doesn't seem too nice about it |
| 02:50.50 | charzero | Wow. I just realized my web/mail/print servers is more than a decade old. |
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| 02:51.03 | charzero | s/servers/server |
| 02:51.10 | czr | michael117, you caught me at a bad moment then ;-) |
| 02:51.15 | itchi | RvGaTe: You question was clear, and i'm sure i answered right! Maybe not wath you wanted |
| 02:51.16 | czr | michael117, I don't normally hang around this channel anyway |
| 02:51.25 | michael117 | Oh? |
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| 02:51.33 | michael117 | czr: where are you usually at? |
| 02:51.39 | czr | kernel mostly. |
| 02:51.46 | itchi | RvGaTe: That's why 'depending of your needs' ... |
| 02:51.50 | michael117 | ahh... |
| 02:52.25 | itchi | RvGaTe: Mabye smooke you not enought :-p |
| 02:52.32 | czr | michael117, it's close to 5am here so time for me to get some shuteye, ttyl. |
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| 02:52.45 | michael117 | czr: Where do you live? |
| 02:52.55 | czr | michael117, finland I think |
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| 02:53.06 | michael117 | You think!? |
| 02:53.16 | therapy | heya. i'm trying to install inetd.. but im not sure which is installed by default? |
| 02:53.22 | czr | michael117, it's 5 am :-) |
| 02:53.27 | therapy | which package do i need.. /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 02:53.29 | czr | so can't be sure about many things |
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| 02:53.34 | blondie | therapy: I should think it is installed by default |
| 02:53.42 | blondie | and /usr/sbin/inetd is not a package it's a program |
| 02:53.52 | therapy | /usr/sbin/inetutils-inetd |
| 02:53.55 | therapy | is that the same? |
| 02:54.34 | PingFloyd | therapy: use dpkg -l if you want to find out for sure |
| 02:54.35 | blondie | I only have /usr/sbin/inetd... |
| 02:55.14 | therapy | does that show installed packaged PingFloyd ? |
| 02:55.19 | therapy | packages* |
| 02:55.37 | PingFloyd | therapy: yeah |
| 02:55.54 | PingFloyd | it will list out packages based upon pattern given as argument |
| 02:56.14 | therapy | netkit-inetd |
| 02:56.16 | therapy | thanks mate |
| 02:56.18 | therapy | thats what i need :) |
| 02:57.12 | therapy | dpkg: error processing netkit-inetd (--configure): |
| 02:57.12 | therapy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.13 | therapy | urgh |
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| 03:02.36 | enouf | therapy: some use a pkg openbsd-inetd |
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| 03:03.45 | raf256 | do you think that hardware shops do not have enought support (even realible informations) about hw for linux? |
| 03:04.08 | enouf | tolecnal: ahh .. Replaces: netkit-inetd |
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| 03:04.33 | enouf | meh .. I mean therapy .. but he's dead |
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| 03:06.49 | PingFloyd | raf256: in my experience, most hardware shops are very reliable, period :) |
| 03:06.58 | PingFloyd | s/are/aren't |
| 03:07.32 | raf256 | PingFloyd: you think it would be good to have hw shops that inform (realiable!) if given thing works on linux? |
| 03:08.05 | PingFloyd | personally, I think it would be great |
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| 03:08.41 | PingFloyd | I've found that most shops, the staff are biased and misinformed all too often |
| 03:09.09 | charzero | is 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "cpu MHz"' an accurate reflection of the cpu speed? |
| 03:09.17 | raf256 | PingFloyd: awesome |
| 03:09.42 | raf256 | PingFloyd: because I want to convince a company to do something like that, Im preparing a poll to estimate how big would be the community interest in such action |
| 03:09.54 | PingFloyd | would be refreshing to find a place where they could look at things in a objective and broader manner |
| 03:11.12 | raf256 | PingFloyd: I hope the poll will indicate indeed quite few ppl want such thing |
| 03:11.43 | PingFloyd | raf256: I would imagine most would, it's just that your average Joe just doesn't realize it yet |
| 03:12.37 | raf256 | PingFloyd: well I estimate that 50% of linux users would appriciate *20% will know about such shops/web portals/etc * 1% of linux users among desktop users |
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| 03:13.42 | SHK | HI! |
| 03:15.20 | PingFloyd | best thing would be if they had info about how well a piece of hardware they had worked with Linux and what possible issues or dilemmas they ran into with it |
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| 03:16.46 | raf256 | PingFloyd: that was also my idea |
| 03:17.03 | raf256 | PingFloyd: perhaps you would like to be informed about this poll (and possible about such action)? |
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| 03:17.29 | PingFloyd | like when I've been about to buy a piece of hardware I hadn't used before, in the back of my mind is I wonder how it will pan out with Linux on my system |
| 03:17.39 | SHKY | Hi ppl, I need your help :)... |
| 03:17.42 | liable | hah, its hard enough shopping for one box to find if its compatible with linux, nevermind a shop full of components |
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| 03:18.09 | plediii | I'm trying to mount an old IDE/ATA hard drive, but I can't seem to get /dev/hd* to show up. I'm pretty sure I compiled the correct modules into my kernel, what else must I do? |
| 03:18.20 | liable | SHKY: so go ahead and ask |
| 03:18.21 | SHKY | I configure 2 PC's with Debian 3.0r4 |
| 03:18.41 | SHKY | Using Software RAID |
| 03:19.02 | SHKY | Then I configure a DRBD over the 2 PC's |
| 03:19.16 | SHKY | With a Crossover cable and a dedicated NIC |
| 03:19.32 | SHKY | Its all working fine and sync'ed |
| 03:19.35 | PingFloyd | raf256: I know that when I buy something new, there's always a bit of worry about how it's going to pan out even though I've already researched about it |
| 03:19.46 | SHKY | then I config the HeartBeat |
| 03:20.01 | PingFloyd | for me, the hardware that is known to work good with Linux, get's stronger consideration right off the bat |
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| 03:20.37 | SHKY | But the HeartBeat doesn't start the DRBDADM PRIMARY ALL in the first pc by him self |
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| 03:21.43 | SHKY | and when the 1st PC goes off, the heartbeat detects but doesn't do anything... |
| 03:21.51 | SHKY | Can you help-me??? |
| 03:22.06 | raf256 | PingFloyd: poll with start in few hours on http://www.limcore.com/linux/ (in 5-6 hours) |
| 03:22.07 | SHKY | Can Anybody help me? |
| 03:22.19 | raf256 | SHKY: huh? |
| 03:22.41 | raf256 | I have no idea what SHKY talks about sorry |
| 03:22.48 | Guerin | SHKY: wtf is heartbeat? |
| 03:23.19 | Guerin | PingFloyd: for me, hardware which works with linux gets considered in the first place |
| 03:23.25 | Guerin | hardware which doesn't doesn't |
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| 03:23.41 | raf256 | Guerin: Im happy to hear that |
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| 03:24.11 | raf256 | Guerin: poll also asks about how detaild info you need (like: is the driver free, is it for 24 and 26, is the free driver as good as closed one) |
| 03:24.11 | SHKY | its a service that verify the other PC services for response and if the 1st PC don't respond the second serve the same services in the first PC |
| 03:25.00 | Guerin | oh, a high-availability thing |
| 03:25.12 | SHKY | Check this: http://www.linux-ha.org/ |
| 03:25.26 | SHKY | Yes High-Availability |
| 03:25.36 | Guerin | yeah, i suggest you talk to the authors |
| 03:25.40 | Guerin | or the mailing list or whatever |
| 03:26.28 | SHKY | Ok, Thanks anyway! |
| 03:27.50 | raf256 | so far my debian SVN server has 95% down time - 5% up time |
| 03:28.04 | gravity | ouch |
| 03:28.11 | raf256 | since hardware shop failed to provide me with PC that do NOT crash in 10 seconds after full load |
| 03:28.37 | PingFloyd | might be faulty ram |
| 03:28.42 | raf256 | btw, mprime95 is awesome in overheating CPU |
| 03:28.51 | Guerin | i can see a need for that |
| 03:29.05 | raf256 | PingFloyd: faulty ram is other concern indeed, byt 30 seconds with mprime == hardware hang |
| 03:29.21 | raf256 | Guerin: no need for what? I know that box in unstale in minutes instead days |
| 03:29.23 | SHKY | Or CPU Temp |
| 03:29.49 | plediii | what do I have to do to create /dev/hd* devices? |
| 03:29.54 | SHKY | Check HTOP when the computer crash |
| 03:29.57 | sparr | iceweasel package homepage of http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/2.0.0.1/whatsnew/ is 404 |
| 03:29.57 | Guerin | raf256: gcc can do that ;) |
| 03:30.00 | raf256 | plediii: you dont have them O_o? restart pc? |
| 03:30.15 | plediii | raf256: I typically use /dev/sd* |
| 03:30.21 | Guerin | sparr: file a bug |
| 03:30.27 | plediii | I'm trying to mount an old harddrive |
| 03:30.29 | PingFloyd | Guerin: that's true, gcc is pretty good at exposing any problems laying in wait |
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| 03:30.37 | plediii | I've rebooted a few times |
| 03:30.42 | raf256 | well most live CDs do not include g++ |
| 03:30.45 | raf256 | nor gcc |
| 03:30.49 | wastrel | hi debianites |
| 03:30.50 | Guerin | PingFloyd: like emacs ... has multitudes of uses! |
| 03:30.55 | raf256 | damn I should remaster some livecd to have g++ |
| 03:30.59 | itchi | sparr: Same here |
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| 03:31.25 | PingFloyd | more of vim user myself :) |
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| 03:31.56 | sparr | itchi: can you install https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/206/ ? its supposed to be compatible with all versions of FF, but it doesnt like IW 2.0.0.1 |
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| 03:32.58 | VolVE | hey all, I'm running Etch and getting "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I try to use rar/unrar (rarsoft.com) even though I have the listdc++6 and libstdc++6-dev packages installed, and /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 is present... any ideas anyone? :( |
| 03:33.00 | sparr | Guerin: no thanks |
| 03:33.03 | itchi | sparr: I not yet have that version :-) Just confirmed that you may fill a bug ;-) |
| 03:33.43 | sparr | itchi: im boycotting debian's 1980s-alike bug reporting system |
| 03:33.52 | Guerin | sparr: what would you prefer? |
| 03:34.39 | PingFloyd | I like the 80s style of things better myself |
| 03:34.46 | itchi | sparr: Im of 1981 :-p |
| 03:34.47 | n3kl_ | I am looking into paralell processing, something like mosix. Anyone know if there is such a project that is under development for debian or if mosix would be the best bet |
| 03:34.58 | Guerin | n3kl_: openmosix? |
| 03:35.01 | sparr | Guerin: web based. i have a working MTA now, and have for years, but the first year or so i was running debian i couldnt submit bugs or participate in popcon because i didnt. |
| 03:35.20 | Guerin | sparr: yes, you could, using webmail or anything else. |
| 03:35.23 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 03:35.24 | dpkg | [advocacy troll] a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 03:35.36 | PingFloyd | those were the pre-eye-candy obsessed days |
| 03:35.36 | itchi | sparr: Send a mail |
| 03:35.59 | itchi | sparr: There's 36 diff ways to send bugs, just take the way you like it |
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| 03:36.10 | sparr | i can use pine with pop3 to send emails. no one here (and by "here" i mean pre-freenode-merge irc.debian.org/#debian) was willing to tell me how to get reportbug to spit out a text file i coud manually email |
| 03:36.14 | linux_jones | is xdmcp only for x11!? |
| 03:36.38 | gravity | linux_jones: Yes |
| 03:36.41 | Guerin | sparr: wtf ... it gives you the option to do so! |
| 03:36.45 | gravity | linux_jones: Why would it not be for x11? |
| 03:36.53 | sparr | Guerin: it didnt then. it just failed. |
| 03:36.58 | PingFloyd | sparr: that's funny, because I don't even have an MTA installed and can use all email based stuff fine |
| 03:37.00 | linux_jones | xf86? |
| 03:37.12 | Guerin | linux_jones: is an implementation of the x11 spec |
| 03:37.30 | linux_jones | sweet |
| 03:37.38 | itchi | sparr: Fill a bug report with reportbug, if badly configured, reportbug not send the mail and he tell it to you that he have save it in /tmp/zerioj |
| 03:37.40 | n3kl_ | Guerin: cool, thanks |
| 03:37.49 | linux_jones | how do i install xdmcp? |
| 03:37.50 | sparr | and still, its silly. im not a developer (ok, sometimes i am, but mostly not). as a USER, when i find a bug it annoys me. making getting my bug details from me to you (you plural, debian devs) as easy as possible is YOUR problem. hell, some programs and OSes auto-send bug reports when something crashes (mozilla, windows, etc). |
| 03:37.59 | itchi | sparr: zerioj is fake stuff |
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| 03:38.16 | Guerin | sparr: which results in lots of useless data, most times |
| 03:38.21 | Guerin | and requires extensive triage |
| 03:38.31 | PingFloyd | sparr: there's always Windows |
| 03:38.39 | sparr | itchi: i havent had a problem with reportbut in years. i use it for really important bugs. but i wont use it for trivial bugs. a mostly harmless boycott. |
| 03:38.45 | Guerin | debian decided long ago it would be better to have fewer high-quality bugs filed than many vague half-arsed bugs |
| 03:38.48 | PingFloyd | it does stuff like that I hear |
| 03:39.22 | PingFloyd | Debian tends to take a conservate approach about alot of things, but that's what it's community likes about it |
| 03:39.33 | sparr | thats what some of the community likes about it |
| 03:39.45 | Guerin | yes, and that's partt of the reason behing ubuntu |
| 03:39.48 | sparr | i chose debian because it had the widest selection of cutting edge packages. almost everything else about it i DONT like. |
| 03:39.49 | Guerin | more power to 'em |
| 03:40.16 | PingFloyd | sparr: I have yet to find a distro that did everything in a manner exactly how I liked |
| 03:40.24 | PingFloyd | every one of them has trade offs |
| 03:40.36 | itchi | !beer me |
| 03:40.42 | PingFloyd | or the devs have there own opinions on the "ideal". Just how it is |
| 03:40.43 | itchi | Sorry, but need it :-p |
| 03:40.47 | sparr | i had my priorities then, and i have the same ones now. debian still has the best selection of packages, although debian derivatives are close and gentoo has been gaining ground. so im sticking with it. |
| 03:40.55 | freakazoid0223 | you got to find a distro you mostly like and then become active in it |
| 03:41.08 | wastrel | hi |
| 03:41.23 | PingFloyd | or build your Linux youself :) |
| 03:41.32 | PingFloyd | s/youself/yourself |
| 03:41.56 | PingFloyd | like LFS project |
| 03:42.02 | sparr | i actively participate in the bug process for dozens of software packages. i report bugs, i reply to other bug reports with corrections, clarifications, confirmations, contradictions, etc. |
| 03:42.05 | PingFloyd | or DIY project |
| 03:42.08 | sparr | but debian just makes that a pain in the ass |
| 03:42.18 | Guerin | email is a pain in the arse? |
| 03:42.27 | PingFloyd | that's funny, because I find that Debian tends to make alot of things too easy |
| 03:42.29 | itchi | sparr: Look to this http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 03:42.30 | liable | wah wah wah |
| 03:42.32 | PingFloyd | sometimes making my complacent |
| 03:42.32 | raf256 | Guerin: it is |
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| 03:42.45 | Guerin | raf256: if it's a pain in the arse, you're using it wrong |
| 03:42.49 | raf256 | emails is an broken format with broken protocols |
| 03:42.50 | VolVE | hey all, I'm having trouble convincing unrar that libstdc++.so.6 is installed - 'ldd unrar' simply says "libstdc++.so.6 => not found" even though it's installed and happily working for other applications - any ideas anyone? :( |
| 03:42.51 | sparr | itchi: i am not going to read a MANUAL on how to report bugs. its a simple process everywhere else. |
| 03:42.58 | Guerin | raf256: alternative? |
| 03:42.58 | itchi | liable: Have you find that cli worldclock? |
| 03:43.08 | liable | itchi: nope |
| 03:43.13 | liable | i forgot about it |
| 03:43.15 | sparr | itchi: in the same way i wouldnt buy a car with a 10-step ignition process. i LIKE "insert key, turn" |
| 03:43.15 | itchi | sparr: You NEED it! |
| 03:43.17 | raf256 | Guerin: I do not know, but there should be something secured and signed by default not as option |
| 03:43.19 | lvalue | why is dist-upgrade always installing tetex-base and tetex-data ? i want to remove them permanently.. do i need to sacrifice a goat or something? |
| 03:43.30 | Guerin | raf256: wtf ... why? |
| 03:43.42 | PingFloyd | sparr: then Debian may not be your ideal |
| 03:43.46 | raf256 | Guerin: spoofing, spammer, phising.. wtf, did you just returned from Mars? |
| 03:43.48 | itchi | liable: :-p me not, just not have find it :-( |
| 03:43.49 | Guerin | raf256: gpg would be an impossible hurdle for 99% of mail users. |
| 03:44.05 | sparr | 20 years ago, email was the most commonly available form of online communication. debians system would make sense then. now, no. even including webmail, there are more web-enabled computers and users out there than email-enabled. |
| 03:44.06 | Guerin | raf256: no, most people get along fine with those, even though they are a major pain in the arse |
| 03:44.12 | PingFloyd | it's less about user-friendly and more about administration friendly |
| 03:44.38 | Guerin | raf256: as mail admins we can do a lot to minimise their effects: for instance, more than 95% of mail which helos my server gets rejected |
| 03:44.49 | raf256 | Guerin: I ment at least server signing, like server states that IP something actually belongs to @usa.gov to dissallow triviall forging of From field |
| 03:45.07 | PingFloyd | so use web-based mail |
| 03:45.11 | sparr | PingFloyd: that is only valid if you assume a strict (one user)->dev bug path. which is bogus. im another user, and i might have constructive things to add to an existing bug, or can correct or clarify things about it |
| 03:45.11 | freakazoid0223 | spam spam spam spam....... |
| 03:45.20 | liable | yummy! |
| 03:45.29 | raf256 | PingFloyd: web mail? how does using www interface to my box helps? |
| 03:45.41 | Guerin | raf256: but I can legitimately send a mail from my gmail address, but not via a gmail server if I choose ... it's still from me, and with my reply-to: header it'll find its way back to me, too. |
| 03:45.47 | PingFloyd | raf256: I meant that to sparr |
| 03:45.47 | raf256 | you ment www-email gate? its uncomfortable |
| 03:45.52 | raf256 | oh |
| 03:45.53 | Guerin | raf256: don't force me to do otherwise. |
| 03:45.55 | PingFloyd | about web-based mail |
| 03:46.02 | Guerin | yes, webmail is all evil |
| 03:46.07 | sparr | PingFloyd: as silly as it sounds, simply having to remember the syntax for "Package: $p\nVersion: $v\n" is annoying |
| 03:46.13 | wastrel | i like squirrelmail |
| 03:46.30 | Guerin | squirrelmail's problems are 0. php 1. frames |
| 03:46.40 | raf256 | Guerin: but that way even I could send an email with your email address from russian server informing your Univ. teacher that you want to do him |
| 03:47.09 | Guerin | raf256: sure, that would be fine. I have plausible deniability because I'm not in russia. |
| 03:47.11 | wastrel | Guerin: do you always count zero-based? |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | wastrel: no, I was just being geeky. |
| 03:47.40 | sparr | raf256: and thats how email works. its why spam works. if you want a better system, youre going to have to reform SMTP. im all for a better email protocol, but no one has come up with a good one with even remotely widespread adoptance yet |
| 03:47.43 | raf256 | Guerin: and 99% of users seeing your emaill address will belive that this email is actually FROM you... dont you see how this is a security problem> |
| 03:48.41 | Guerin | raf256: of course. This is where education comes in. When people reply to me complainign about it, I explain and send them a few messages from gwb@whitehouse.gov, billg@microsoft.com and themselves as demonstration it's a fake. |
| 03:48.51 | raf256 | well tehre should be rmail - restricted mail, that is unspoofable, with a penalty of not allowing sending email from other server then it belongs to, and need to install other client and server software |
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| 03:49.04 | PingFloyd | when you get down to it, the only reliable way to be sure of sender is signing |
| 03:49.05 | Guerin | raf256: there is, it's called gpg |
| 03:49.19 | PingFloyd | like gpg etc |
| 03:49.25 | Guerin | raf256: i don't use gpg ... haven't needed it, ever. But it's nice that I *can* |
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| 03:49.31 | raf256 | Guerin: dont be naive, if I would send 100000 emails grom guerin@something.com you would be FLOODED with complains |
| 03:49.35 | sparr | i use Enigmail plugin for thunderbird to GPG-sign all of my emails at work. we are going to require it from all of our employees soon |
| 03:49.35 | raf256 | and there would be nothing you can do |
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| 03:49.49 | raf256 | because 95% of users ARE morons |
| 03:49.51 | Guerin | raf256: yes, I would, and with a trivial shell script I could reply identically to each |
| 03:50.02 | raf256 | will you spend following year explaining self? |
| 03:50.04 | Guerin | sparr: that's a sane policy |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | raf256: no, i'll spend the following hour writing a script to do it for me, then take the rest of the day off |
| 03:50.27 | PingFloyd | raf256: that's kind of a bigger computing issue altogether though :) |
| 03:50.35 | sparr | once we do, we can tell our mail server to ditch any email "from" our domain that isnt signed, very nice |
| 03:51.08 | raf256 | Guerin: yes of course, brightest anti spammers consider joe-job an leathal critical problem but YOU would defeat it with a smple bash script right. what if some of the "returns" have spoofed from: as well? and the spoofed server admins are as bright - you will flood each other vice-versa to death |
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| 03:51.16 | Guerin | at my work, everyone has plausible deniability, becauyse everyone's login name is jbloggs, and everyone's password is joeb; for a user named joe bloggs |
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| 03:51.38 | wastrel | heh |
| 03:51.41 | Guerin | raf256: i wouldn't reply to the spoofers, I'd reply to the complaints |
| 03:51.49 | Guerin | raf256: the spoofed mails get the ignorance they deserve |
| 03:51.52 | wastrel | i'm a temp & have my boss's login for our main administrative tool |
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| 03:51.59 | Guerin | wastrel: nice. |
| 03:52.03 | wastrel | they won't make one for me because i'm a temp :] |
| 03:52.09 | raf256 | Guerin: from: john-d@gmail.com Subject Wtf mon, stop flooding my box! |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | wastrel: hah, awesome |
| 03:52.11 | NaufraGo | is there any thing to install packages fastly? |
| 03:52.24 | VolVE | Anyone know how to get the 32-bit version of libstdc++6 installed on an x86-64 machine? :( |
| 03:52.26 | Guerin | NaufraGo: aptitude is fast |
| 03:52.34 | Guerin | VolVE: you need a chroot |
| 03:52.37 | raf256 | Guerin: from: staff@gmail.com You idiot stop flooding us with returned emails, what are you doing |
| 03:52.45 | VolVE | Guerin: howso? |
| 03:52.46 | raf256 | to which you reply? 1st 2nd both neither |
| 03:52.47 | Guerin | raf256: gmail wouldn't bother. |
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| 03:53.07 | NaufraGo | so, I can download the firefox 2.0... package and install it by aptitude? |
| 03:53.16 | itchi | Guerin: What's your name? :-) |
| 03:53.20 | sparr | NaufraGo: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 03:53.24 | Guerin | raf256: the point is i *have* been joe-jobbed before, and I dealt with it in precisely the way I explained. |
| 03:53.29 | raf256 | Guerin: exacly |
| 03:53.31 | Guerin | itchi: joe bloggs, of course! |
| 03:53.32 | djones_ | so is installing xdm going to keep me from using gnome or kde or anything? |
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| 03:53.49 | sparr | djones_: no |
| 03:53.49 | itchi | Guerin: hehe |
| 03:53.53 | raf256 | Guerin: you never was joe-jobbed before and you have no idea how the problem works for REAL where peoples are idiots. its not theory. |
| 03:53.57 | PingFloyd | it's the nature of the medium anyway |
| 03:53.58 | NaufraGo | sparr, does it have good compatibilities? (audio, flash player) ? |
| 03:54.08 | Dicander | Hi. I'm running Debian unstable on a K8NF6G-VSTA motherboard. Unfortunately, the integrated sound card does not work. Does anyone know what I can try? |
| 03:54.18 | PingFloyd | and I don't think we can cater to the ignorance out there that doesn't realize and treat it as such |
| 03:54.25 | djones_ | sparr, and that will let me use xdmcp? |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | VolVE: go to twiki.iwethey.com and look up chroot install |
| 03:54.39 | Guerin | VolVE: it might be .org |
| 03:54.57 | Guerin | raf256: huh? when I was joe-jobbed, it was all a dream? |
| 03:55.04 | VolVE | k, thanks |
| 03:55.18 | raf256 | <Guerin> No grandma, it reaaaaaaly wasnt me who emailed you that 666 satan pictures! it was a spoof in RFC 23xx protocol because the serve.. grandma? grandma?! why are you holding the wodden staff? ayeeee |
| 03:55.25 | Guerin | raf256: sure it's a problem, i never said it wasn't. All i said was that people cope in spite of it. Which they patently do. |
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| 03:55.34 | raf256 | Guerin: <raf256> Guerin: you never was [..] |
| 03:55.49 | Guerin | raf256: ?? |
| 03:55.55 | PingFloyd | raf256: that's an example of where you need to enlighten grandma |
| 03:56.03 | PingFloyd | about the nature of the medium |
| 03:56.06 | NaufraGo | sparr, apt says iceweasel package isn't available |
| 03:56.07 | raf256 | PingFloyd: in Utopia world |
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| 03:56.16 | sparr | NaufraGo: its in unstable, dunno about older |
| 03:56.21 | raf256 | PingFloyd: in Utopia Guerin's idea will work, in real work where people are idiots it will faill |
| 03:56.38 | NaufraGo | mm, I'm stable |
| 03:56.45 | itchi | NaufraGo: Forget about it then |
| 03:56.55 | NaufraGo | about iceweasel you mean? |
| 03:57.04 | Guerin | raf256: no, really. I just send them a reply saying I'll send them a mail from tonyblair@labour.org.uk and they believe that it can be done. |
| 03:57.05 | itchi | NaufraGo: Yes, it's not yet in Sarge |
| 03:57.09 | NaufraGo | alright |
| 03:57.28 | raf256 | Guerin: my point is: 95% of people do not understand email as you or I do, and you will faill to explain to them the problem, meany will not belive you or anyway will be missinformed that for example you wrote them that you do not like them or something |
| 03:57.29 | NaufraGo | so, what browser do you suggest me for sarge? |
| 03:57.46 | raf256 | Guerin: the damage WILL be done the moment they open the email and think it is from you. |
| 03:57.49 | Guerin | raf256: if your plan is to enforce gpg or server signing, it's even worse - it presumes people can and will do it |
| 03:58.00 | sparr | raf256: 100% of people will believe you when you send them an email 'from' themself. or from santa, or god. in high school we had fun with From spoofing |
| 03:58.06 | NaufraGo | itchi |
| 03:58.09 | itchi | NaufraGo: Firefox? |
| 03:58.10 | Guerin | raf256: that would be true if I were doing business over internets |
| 03:58.15 | NaufraGo | ok.. |
| 03:58.19 | sparr | Guerin: GPG should be built into email clients, invisible, non-optional |
| 03:58.20 | raf256 | Guerin: I ment for example GPG for server-server transfer, so you own server will check the message, not yourclient |
| 03:58.48 | NaufraGo | look, I can download firefox 2.0 from its webpage, can I install that downloaded package by aptitude or something? |
| 03:58.53 | djones_ | is xdm all i need for xdmcp? |
| 03:58.58 | raf256 | Guerin: someone could email your girl friend / child / whatever, and tell them to meat "you" somewhere at 20:00 today for example |
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| 03:59.24 | NaufraGo | itchi |
| 03:59.27 | Guerin | raf256: Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once |
| 03:59.28 | raf256 | emails are freaking untrustworthy (especially without GPG) and 99% users do not realize that |
| 03:59.31 | itchi | NaufraGo: |
| 03:59.33 | n3kl_ | What package uses that backup user? |
| 03:59.40 | NaufraGo | again.. |
| 03:59.41 | liable | NaufraGo: is it a .deb file? |
| 03:59.43 | NaufraGo | nop |
| 03:59.45 | NaufraGo | tar |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin | raf256: yes, that would require precise information about my personal life ... in which case they'd be able to find another way if email wasn't available. |
| 03:59.58 | liable | NaufraGo: then you need to untar it and read the install file |
| 04:00.05 | itchi | NaufraGo: aptitude install firefox |
| 04:00.15 | NaufraGo | it installs the 1.5 version |
| 04:00.24 | Guerin | raf256: i agree, but you need to see http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt before deciding to tear the existing system down |
| 04:00.24 | raf256 | mail('john.guerin','McDonalds','Hi son, why not meat me at 21:00 near that old building so we can erm.. go grab a hamburger and cola? \n Dad'); |
| 04:00.33 | raf256 | Guerin: ok will look into |
| 04:00.42 | wastrel | craphound |
| 04:00.49 | minerale | I would like to be able to 'print' something into a pdf file, is this possible? |
| 04:00.58 | PingFloyd | with my son, I would teach to never assume anything from email is authentic |
| 04:01.01 | wastrel | i like to be able to send as "myself" from whatever smtp server i have access to |
| 04:01.02 | raf256 | the name is almost as disturbing as TrollTech |
| 04:01.03 | itchi | NaufraGo: Use apt-cache search foo to search stuff |
| 04:01.08 | PingFloyd | i.e. call me to verify first |
| 04:01.35 | raf256 | PingFloyd: indeed |
| 04:01.44 | itchi | NaufraGo: Not need to manually download somethings, you search, then install the wanted stuff with aptitude or apt-get |
| 04:01.44 | Guerin | i wouldn't |
| 04:01.47 | Guerin | i'm not paranoid |
| 04:01.55 | minerale | raf256: I guess it depends on the language/region I guess |
| 04:02.17 | wastrel | actually my main email address is through a shell hosting service that doesn't even provide a smtp service for remote clients |
| 04:02.23 | NaufraGo | the problem is that apt installs firefox 1.5 and I want 2.0 |
| 04:02.23 | raf256 | I cant belive major part of linux soft works on libs from... TrollTech =) |
| 04:02.24 | itchi | NaufraGo: I dunno, maybe you need /msg dpkg foo to know more about foo |
| 04:03.05 | Guerin | raf256: it doesn't. None of linux works on qt! |
| 04:03.09 | Guerin | well |
| 04:03.11 | Guerin | relies on it |
| 04:03.13 | itchi | NaufraGo: Take a look on the backports website |
| 04:03.19 | Guerin | unless you count xconfig |
| 04:03.26 | raf256 | but kde is qt |
| 04:03.32 | raf256 | qt based |
| 04:03.34 | itchi | NaufraGo: I dunno if it's already backported btw, gone quick look |
| 04:03.48 | Guerin | raf256: nothing to do with linux |
| 04:03.56 | raf256 | yea, I ment linux distro |
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| 04:04.01 | Guerin | !rmssmite raf256 |
| 04:04.17 | raf256 | LETS BE |
| 04:04.18 | raf256 | FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 04:04.21 | raf256 | hackers, lets be |
| 04:04.25 | NaufraGo | another thing.. audio of flash doesn't work on my current firefox :S |
| 04:04.34 | Drizzt321 | I'm running testing and I am trying to install bluez-pin, but it seems it is not there. Nor is it in unstable, but it _is_ in stable. anyone know why it would be in stable but not hte other 2? is there a replacement I should be using instead? |
| 04:04.38 | itchi | NaufraGo: There's not it's looks |
| 04:04.41 | raf256 | I think I will add RMS song question to the poll |
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| 04:04.49 | sparr | GPG doesnt require everyone to use it |
| 04:04.53 | Guerin | NaufraGo: complain to macdobedia |
| 04:04.58 | sparr | any two people can use it, alone, and they know their emails are from the other |
| 04:05.20 | sparr | GPG is the solution to email spoofing. it meets all the criteria ive seen, when installed transparently. |
| 04:05.30 | raf256 | yeah I use it |
| 04:05.41 | Guerin | sparr: right. Except that if you get a message from someone who chooses not to use gpg, what do you do with it? |
| 04:05.49 | itchi | Drizzt321: Try /msg dpkg why is bluez-pin not in testing |
| 04:05.55 | sparr | we probably arent even going to tell the office when we set it up. as long as everyone is running enigmail, they will just see a new header line with the key signer's name |
| 04:06.00 | raf256 | Guerin: be carefull, remember to verify if it is something important |
| 04:06.01 | sparr | Guerin: whatever you want? |
| 04:06.09 | sparr | Guerin: the same thing you do today |
| 04:06.12 | Guerin | sparr: status quo, then. |
| 04:06.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:06.17 | Drizzt321 | itchi: ah, thanks |
| 04:06.25 | Drizzt321 | some info, let me check it out |
| 04:06.33 | Guerin | so it's not really a solution, because currently it's less work to just deal with the spam and joe-jobs and phish than to use gpog |
| 04:06.33 | sparr | once a significant fraction of people are using GPG, everyone else would switch FAST |
| 04:06.41 | Guerin | i don't know about that |
| 04:06.52 | sparr | i figure if GPG usage hit 10% then MS would put it in the next year's Outlook. then boom, 80%. |
| 04:06.55 | Guerin | it would have to come default in several major muas |
| 04:06.56 | raf256 | sparr: snow ball effect, same thing linux is "suffering" from (as desktop) |
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| 04:07.09 | itchi | sparr: Ask ms to install it default :-) |
| 04:07.10 | sparr | raf256: i gave out kubuntu CDs for christmas this year. two converts already :) |
| 04:07.21 | raf256 | sparr: yey, simmilar luck here |
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| 04:07.30 | Guerin | and then there's the problem of (x ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers |
| 04:07.31 | raf256 | sparr: oh I think I will add such questions to the poll as well! |
| 04:07.38 | sparr | raf256: what poll? |
| 04:07.39 | raf256 | btw, would you take a 12 minute linux poll? |
| 04:07.47 | Guerin | 12 minutes? fuck that |
| 04:07.55 | sparr | Guerin: then they keep reading non-signed email. they lose nothing. they GAIN knowledge about authentic emails |
| 04:08.03 | raf256 | sparr: http://www.limcore.com/linux/ will start in few hours |
| 04:08.16 | sparr | dont add questions once it starts |
| 04:08.16 | raf256 | Guerin: 5 if you read and click fastly |
| 04:08.19 | Guerin | sparr: and they retain all the same problems of spam etc. |
| 04:08.40 | raf256 | sparr: I know =) |
| 04:08.53 | Guerin | 5-6 hours from now I will be very, very intoxicated and cooking things in a howling gale on my deck |
| 04:08.57 | sparr | Guerin: so, no loss. OPTIONAL gain/loss for people who require signatures. |
| 04:09.03 | raf256 | Guerin: perhaps in 1 hor |
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| 04:09.52 | Guerin | sparr: how do you drive adopton, though? How do you make it easy enough for my grandmother to do? |
| 04:10.03 | Guerin | and how do you convince her to care about it? |
| 04:10.40 | sparr | Guerin: install a GPG client. make it sign by default and never ask for a password. you lose a little security, have to assume the logged in user is who they say they are, but it would be a vast improvement |
| 04:11.37 | sparr | at work, we are NOT going to disable enigmail's password prompt, so people will have to put in their PW once or twice a day |
| 04:11.37 | Guerin | sparr: at which point the gpg sig is still usable by a worm. Square one. |
| 04:11.38 | PingFloyd | that can be a double-edge sword though |
| 04:11.38 | sparr | Guerin: only a worm actually running on that person's computer |
| 04:11.38 | PingFloyd | can act as false sense of authentication |
| 04:11.38 | Guerin | sparr: that's the only one which counts |
| 04:11.45 | Guerin | and if it's avail;able it can be copied and distributed |
| 04:11.54 | sparr | Guerin: why? if grandma is infected, i blacklist her. she has to generate a new key. |
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| 04:12.10 | Guerin | sparr: (x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes |
| 04:12.11 | wastrel | i'm always hesitant to hand out linux installation cd's because 0. i don't want to collect personal tech-support responsibilities. 1. i don't want to be responsible for their data loss when they accidentally format their existing partitions |
| 04:12.16 | sparr | Guerin: again, no loss |
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| 04:12.18 | Guerin | sparr: by that time the damage is already done |
| 04:12.41 | GaiaX11 | Will ndiswrapper be in etch cd 1? |
| 04:13.01 | sparr | wastrel: i dont mind a little tech support, and for most of the people i gave CDs to ill have LESS tech support problems with kubuntu than with windows. |
| 04:13.02 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 04:13.03 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 04:13.13 | PingFloyd | wastrel: people need to learn accountability at some point in their life |
| 04:13.32 | NaufraGo | is it necessary have an anti-virus in debian? |
| 04:13.33 | sparr | Guerin: we solved this problem a thousand years ago |
| 04:13.41 | wastrel | PingFloyd: plenty of these people are more responsible/mature than myself, they just don't know computers |
| 04:13.46 | sparr | someone steals the king's signet ring, his seal becomes invalid and he comes up with a new one. |
| 04:13.48 | Guerin | sparr: which one? |
| 04:13.55 | Guerin | sparr: i see. |
| 04:14.04 | sparr | people ignore letters sent with the old one |
| 04:14.19 | Guerin | sparr: just that stealing a gpg key is several orders of magnitude more trivial than stealing a signet ring |
| 04:14.38 | PingFloyd | wastel: personally, I wouldn't recommend Debian for anyone now willing to learn in the first place, though. |
| 04:14.40 | Guerin | people would end up having to regenerate and re-propagate new keys every few months or weeks |
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| 04:15.03 | PingFloyd | actually I wouldn't recommend a computer to them either :) |
| 04:15.20 | itchi | wastrel: You can get many better quality support online in the GNU/Linux world as for ms stuff, that all for free too |
| 04:15.21 | sparr | Guerin: only stupid people, from whom i would eventually stop accepting emails at all |
| 04:15.29 | Guerin | my mum uses debian. I set it up years ago and go and do a few upgrades now and again, been that way for years. |
| 04:15.42 | Guerin | sparr: that's no solution. |
| 04:15.43 | PingFloyd | the whole idea that computers are supposed to make life easier is a misnomer IMHO |
| 04:15.53 | sparr | Guerin: currently, a worm can take over one person's computer and send email "from" anyone. with gpg, it could only send email "from" that person. thats an order of magnitude BETTER than the current situation. |
| 04:15.56 | itchi | wastrel: And you know, you may be are payed to give some personal support btw |
| 04:16.07 | sparr | Guerin: its a great solution. just as good of a solution as my ignoring IE bugs while designing websites. |
| 04:16.12 | itchi | wastrel: So finally, what's wrong with it? |
| 04:16.14 | Guerin | sparr: not really, since they can distribute keys between infected boxen. |
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| 04:16.29 | sparr | Guerin: still, only from the infected people |
| 04:16.35 | sparr | i have NO problem ignoring emails from people with virii |
| 04:16.44 | Guerin | sparr: ... whose numbers will tend towards infinity |
| 04:17.00 | Guerin | that';s fine for *you* personally, but it's no solution |
| 04:17.35 | Guerin | you still don't beat http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 04:17.38 | PingFloyd | there's so many Windows boxes, I don't see viruses going away any time soon |
| 04:17.42 | sparr | sure i do |
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| 04:17.51 | sparr | most of those marks are non-issues |
| 04:17.57 | sparr | none of them are actual negatives |
| 04:17.59 | PingFloyd | not to mention so many foolish users that put trust in the wrong places and make too many assumptions |
| 04:18.05 | sparr | they detract from the net positive effect of the solution |
| 04:18.13 | sparr | but in no way make it less desirable than the current state of affairs |
| 04:18.14 | itchi | wastrel: Or gona you tell me that you give free personal suport for ms? ;-) |
| 04:18.33 | NaufraGo | I use kernel 2.4, will my apps work fine if I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 ? my pc is pentium 4.. |
| 04:18.42 | itchi | NaufraGo: Sure |
| 04:18.50 | lvalue | why is dist-upgrade always installing tetex-base and tetex-data ? i want to remove them permanently.. do i need to sacrifice a goat or something? |
| 04:18.56 | wastrel | i don't support ms at all, they have existing infrastructure/systems in place to manage that |
| 04:19.00 | sparr | NaufraGo: you can still select the old kernel from your LILO/GRUB menu if it doesnt work |
| 04:19.01 | Guerin | sparr: (x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes (x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once (x) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers (x) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it (x) Users of email will not put up with it |
| 04:19.06 | Guerin | sparr: just for starters |
| 04:19.09 | wastrel | they can use their new xmas presents with the included software |
| 04:19.14 | NaufraGo | I always have device mounting problems when I install kernel 2.6 |
| 04:19.15 | wastrel | they can call the vendor for assistance |
| 04:19.30 | sparr | Guerin: doesnt matter. not true. doesnt matter. not true. not true. |
| 04:19.59 | itchi | NaufraGo: Then you need to tell us what exactly happend when you have that trouble, so us could help you |
| 04:20.13 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 04:20.14 | wastrel | you may have more people who could manage a change to linux in your social circle. i don't think anyone i know could do it without a great deal of time and assistance from me. |
| 04:20.23 | sparr | i run kubuntu on my desktop at work. an above average (slightly) tech savvy guy in a neighboring office saw it a few times and asked for a CD to put on an old desktop he is giving to his parents. score. |
| 04:20.26 | PingFloyd | I make money off supporting windows |
| 04:20.38 | itchi | NaufraGo: We can not change the world, but we can try to make it better ;-) |
| 04:20.46 | sparr | PingFloyd: me too, but i could make just as much supporting linux, id just get a lot more done. |
| 04:21.33 | sparr | lol @ alienate potential employers |
| 04:21.43 | sparr | i tried to respond to an ad for a unix sysadmin job once |
| 04:21.44 | PingFloyd | but with Linux, ones you get things running smooth, there isn't as much need for support |
| 04:21.45 | Guerin | sparr: bullshit. |
| 04:21.53 | PingFloyd | since it's reliable :) |
| 04:21.55 | sparr | their mail server bounced my resume back, said it had to be .doc format |
| 04:22.08 | sparr | instantly obvious i didnt want to work there |
| 04:22.13 | sparr | for so many reasons |
| 04:22.17 | wastrel | meh |
| 04:22.19 | Guerin | sparr: yep. |
| 04:22.25 | Guerin | resumes are in pdf. |
| 04:22.37 | PingFloyd | Windows likes to do strange anomolous stuff that keeps you in job security :) |
| 04:22.39 | Guerin | that's the universal law of Places You Want To Work |
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| 04:22.41 | wastrel | i send resume as .doc unless the advert has specifically requested otherwise |
| 04:22.52 | itchi | sparr: hhhm, here the gov gone make a law to use open formats when exchanging official docs; Whooooa, i can not believe it |
| 04:22.55 | Guerin | pdf all the way |
| 04:22.57 | wastrel | because HR doesn't need to be unix/linux savvy |
| 04:22.59 | sparr | i send pdf usually, unless its to a place where im sure they will have a better format |
| 04:23.04 | Guerin | doc is hard, since mine is written in latex ;) |
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| 04:23.17 | itchi | sparr: If i remember right it's start 2008 |
| 04:23.18 | sparr | only problem i have with pdf is inconsistent font rendering |
| 04:23.28 | PingFloyd | half of the time, some users have some strange ideas about how they want certain things set up, but I look at it that it may be sub-optimal or lead to future problems, but it just means more job security for me |
| 04:23.41 | Guerin | sparr: yeah, some clients are a bit shit. I try to hedge this by using times new roman |
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| 04:23.49 | Guerin | s/clienbts/readers/ |
| 04:24.04 | wastrel | perhaps i'm naive but i don't much care how my resume is rendered |
| 04:24.17 | Guerin | bah, it's new year's eve, blowing a vicious southerly and raining |
| 04:24.19 | wastrel | i care what it says, not how it looks |
| 04:24.28 | sparr | wastrel: youd care if the words were illegible |
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| 04:24.34 | Guerin | we were going to have a bonfire on the beach but would freeze our arses off and probably drown |
| 04:24.34 | itchi | I'm so happy with xpdf :-) |
| 04:24.46 | wastrel | well that's one reason not to use pdf :] |
| 04:24.52 | sparr | one employer i sent a resume to was nice enough to reply and tell me every section heading in my resume was garbage |
| 04:25.02 | sparr | i had to find a windows box to open the file on to see for myself |
| 04:25.15 | Drizzt321 | itchi: hmm...this is interesting. an oldver version of the package is still in the repository, but the newer version was there on 8 Dec, but is not there today. |
| 04:25.21 | Guerin | sparr: solution: send it as a pdf of pngs! |
| 04:25.28 | Guerin | <muhahaha> |
| 04:25.31 | sparr | heh, doesnt scale |
| 04:25.37 | Guerin | mm, true |
| 04:25.38 | wastrel | 30mb resume |
| 04:25.38 | PingFloyd | the things of it is, all sorts of things can mess up a resume |
| 04:25.42 | sparr | for a while i was doing all-html resumes |
| 04:25.46 | itchi | Drizzt321: Eeuhm, about firefox stuff there? |
| 04:25.50 | sparr | i need to put together a new html resume |
| 04:25.59 | Drizzt321 | itchi: no, bluez-pin bluetooth stuff |
| 04:26.24 | itchi | Drizzt321: Oh ;-), euhm, i dunno to be honnest about that stuff |
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| 04:26.42 | Drizzt321 | itchi: I got the .25 version of the software from the repository, and http://brion.inria.fr/anla/package_info?id=32630 says it was there on the 8th, but not later |
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| 04:26.58 | PingFloyd | if people were smart, they would request resumes in simpler formats |
| 04:26.58 | sparr | ive been looking at some "web 2.0" jobs recently. i dont have much of a portfolio, almost all the web stuff ive ever done has been private/confidential, so im thinking a "resume" in the form of a horribly over-enginered dynamic page might be impressive to those sort of employers |
| 04:27.00 | Drizzt321 | itchi: and unfortunately the package seems to depend on stuff that for some reason isn't available in the repo |
| 04:27.04 | PingFloyd | like RTF or plain text |
| 04:27.11 | PingFloyd | even then things can get garbled |
| 04:27.15 | sparr | PingFloyd: ive used some online job hunting sites that only took plain text resumes |
| 04:27.16 | PingFloyd | but it just tends to happen less |
| 04:27.23 | itchi | Drizzt321: Maybe is there now another tool for it? |
| 04:27.25 | sparr | enough so that i kept my resume up to date in that format for a while |
| 04:27.39 | itchi | Drizzt321: Tryied to apt-cache search bluetooth ? |
| 04:27.42 | schme | Can anyone recommend a webbrowser to use instead of iceweasel? |
| 04:27.43 | PingFloyd | ideally, the viewer is smart enough to know that it can happen no matter how much care was taken to prevent it |
| 04:27.58 | itchi | Drizzt321: (I not have bluetooth, so i just look vagely) |
| 04:28.02 | Drizzt321 | itchi: no, there isn't. its that some of the package names have changed that it depends on |
| 04:28.03 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 04:28.09 | PingFloyd | I've found that more and more these day, more people are starting to understand that |
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| 04:28.51 | Drizzt321 | itchi: I guess I'll try and force it, and hope it works |
| 04:29.06 | itchi | Drizzt321: caramba |
| 04:29.18 | itchi | !force |
| 04:29.19 | dpkg | [force] a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 04:30.03 | Drizzt321 | itchi: yea, but the packages are there...just the name got changed since this package was built |
| 04:30.16 | wastrel | suppose |
| 04:30.29 | itchi | Drizzt321: There's reasons for all. (I guessed that the tool you wanted is no more used and maybe there's an new tool, maybe called somethigns others) |
| 04:30.31 | wastrel | who's editing these factoids |
| 04:30.45 | itchi | Drizzt321: hhhmm |
| 04:31.13 | Drizzt321 | itchi: no, its there, its just at version 0.3...and and it _was_ there on the 8th of dec, why its not there now really confuses me |
| 04:31.54 | itchi | Drizzt321: I dunno |
| 04:33.27 | Drizzt321 | freakin weird |
| 04:33.55 | enouf | [23:27:56] [dpkg] bluez-pin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bluez-pin |
| 04:34.08 | enouf | but it's stuck atm |
| 04:34.46 | itchi | Drizzt321: btw, have you click on the diff links on that site? |
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| 04:35.07 | itchi | Sorry but my speed is now 3Kb, so not ask me to browse the stuff |
| 04:35.12 | enouf | hah .. not in Debian |
| 04:35.15 | Drizzt321 | enouf: I saw http://brion.inria.fr/anla/package_info?id=32630, not that one |
| 04:35.16 | Drizzt321 | thanks |
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| 04:35.29 | Drizzt321 | thats pretty crappy that its stuck right now |
| 04:35.32 | Drizzt321 | just when I need it |
| 04:35.32 | itchi | Gona kill my ISP, im again over my 10GB down and 2 GB up limit :-( |
| 04:35.39 | ahmet_ | i screw'ed up my sources.list can i get other one ? |
| 04:36.35 | Drizzt321 | enouf: know of any sites that keep the packages that were removed for a short time? |
| 04:36.40 | itchi | ahmet_: Use apt-spy?? |
| 04:36.48 | itchi | ahmet_: Is it on Sarge? |
| 04:37.01 | enouf | no idea Drizzt321 .. snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 04:37.14 | Drizzt321 | didn't know that existed, I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 04:37.44 | ahmet_ | itchi |
| 04:37.48 | ahmet_ | i dont have apt-spy |
| 04:37.56 | itchi | ahmet_: |
| 04:38.00 | ahmet_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39536/ |
| 04:38.00 | itchi | Have you Sarge? |
| 04:38.04 | ahmet_ | i duno |
| 04:38.10 | ahmet_ | whats sarrge ? |
| 04:38.12 | enouf | what the heck does it do that Debian bluez* pkgs don't ? |
| 04:38.17 | enouf | Drizzt321: ^^ |
| 04:38.22 | itchi | ahmet_: ow cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:38.42 | ahmet_ | 4.0 |
| 04:39.06 | itchi | ahmet_: You need to read about the differents release about debian Sarge = stable, Etch = testing, Sid = unstable |
| 04:39.13 | enouf | !tell ahmet_ about mirrors |
| 04:39.17 | itchi | ahmet_: 4.0 = testing |
| 04:39.56 | itchi | ahmet_: Maybe you just need to install the stuff |
| 04:40.11 | itchi | ahmet_: Can you install stuff right now? |
| 04:40.34 | Drizzt321 | enouf: thanks, you're a lifesaver. |
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| 04:40.41 | Drizzt321 | enouf: I'll have to remember about that repository |
| 04:41.04 | enouf | Drizzt321: heh .. np ;-) |
| 04:41.42 | CHodapp | anyone know where mysql |
| 04:41.44 | CHodapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.58 | CHodapp | where mysql_config is? apt-cache search doesn't find it. |
| 04:42.14 | CHodapp | maybe... I used the wrong command |
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| 04:42.29 | CHodapp | yes, I think I did. |
| 04:43.54 | itchi | CHodapp: apt-cache search mysql ?? |
| 04:44.04 | CHodapp | I found it, I needed apt-file |
| 04:44.17 | itchi | great :-p |
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| 04:44.48 | wastrel | locate is good too |
| 04:45.02 | CHodapp | how will locate help me? |
| 04:45.42 | enouf | Drizzt321: more info anyways http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bluez-pin.html |
| 04:45.44 | wastrel | it finds files in the filesystem. |
| 04:46.03 | CHodapp | are the files I need in the filesystem? |
| 04:46.12 | wastrel | i don't know |
| 04:46.26 | CHodapp | I needed to find what package had the files |
| 04:46.38 | wastrel | locate wouldn't help with that |
| 04:47.06 | wastrel | however "anyone know where mysql_config is" is ambiguous :] |
| 04:47.08 | CHodapp | that's why I used apt-file :P |
| 04:47.56 | Drizzt321 | enouf: thanks |
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| 04:48.39 | linux_jones | how do i change the default window manager? |
| 04:49.30 | itchi | linux_jones: Depend how you like it, place the door before |
| 04:50.20 | itchi | linux_jones: Use you an dm? |
| 04:50.28 | linux_jones | xdm |
| 04:51.01 | itchi | linux_jones: .xsession? |
| 04:51.53 | linux_jones | there is no .xsession in my home dir |
| 04:52.27 | itchi | linux_jones: I used that, some time back, on my dino laptop |
| 04:53.08 | linux_jones | itchi, do you know anything about xdmcp? |
| 04:53.33 | itchi | linux_jones: Look to man xsession gona paste my .xsession. I dunno about xdmcp |
| 04:54.34 | itchi | linux_jones: http://pastebin.ca/297597 Looke to the comment at top btw |
| 04:55.17 | linux_jones | how do i change dm? |
| 04:55.19 | itchi | linux_jones: Forget line 4,5, dunno why i have leave it |
| 04:55.56 | itchi | linux_jones: I guess at that epoch i was not able to zcat /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/xsession.gz it looks :-) |
| 04:56.28 | enouf | Drizzt321: finally --> RoQA; superseded by "bluez-utils" .. so mtabe should use that instead |
| 04:56.38 | PingFloyd | linux_jones: you just want to change to a different display manager? |
| 04:56.49 | linux_jones | PingFloyd, yes |
| 04:57.07 | PingFloyd | apt or aptitude should in theory take care of that for you |
| 04:57.20 | hark | linux_jones: just use update-alternatives |
| 04:57.24 | PingFloyd | usually as simple of a matter of installing whichever one you want from the repo |
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| 04:57.48 | hark | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:57.53 | linux_jones | i already have it downloaded, installed and everything, |
| 04:58.02 | PingFloyd | usually, they'll have each other listed as conflicts with each other, and therefore remove any conflicting ones when you install a different one, afaik |
| 04:58.06 | enouf | Drizzt321: naturally http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378427 |
| 04:58.08 | linux_jones | just need to changethem |
| 04:58.28 | PingFloyd | which display manager? |
| 04:58.46 | linux_jones | from xdm to gdm |
| 04:59.30 | Miesco | How do I find out whats using my sound card?? |
| 04:59.30 | Miesco | I want to play music but something is using it |
| 04:59.30 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 04:59.31 | hark | linux_jones: dpkg-reconfigure xdm then |
| 04:59.54 | enouf | linux_jones: those are display managers not window mangers |
| 04:59.55 | itchi | linux_jones: If you install gdm, it gona ask you wich one you want to use default, or if both are already installed do dpkg-reconfigure xdm or gdm or whatever as dm |
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| 05:00.09 | PingFloyd | oh ok, no wonder |
| 05:00.14 | kdawg | Is there a way to recursively list all the packages that would be needed to build a server for only the postfix package (or apache, or ...)? |
| 05:00.28 | itchi | linux_jones: dm != wm :-p |
| 05:00.31 | PingFloyd | easiest way to change your WM or DE is within the DM's login screen |
| 05:00.35 | PingFloyd | there should be some options there |
| 05:00.42 | enouf | you tell em itchi! |
| 05:00.49 | PingFloyd | there's other ways that involved editing files, but that's the simplest way |
| 05:01.13 | Miesco | How do I play music |
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| 05:01.25 | enouf | grab a guitar? |
| 05:01.26 | itchi | I'm a bit loosed now haha |
| 05:01.33 | linux_jones | PingFloyd, but with xdm there isnt |
| 05:01.34 | PingFloyd | had me going for a minute, I was thinking for some reason the installation didn't update the associated scripts to launch the proper dm |
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| 05:02.04 | enouf | maybe try the skin flute :-P .. re pan flute I mean .. YANNI! |
| 05:02.22 | PingFloyd | skin flute is the easier of instruments to play |
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| 05:05.59 | buu | I don't suppose there's any trickery way to add something to your prompt that draws on the line *below* where you type? |
| 05:06.00 | Miesco | enouf: I do play guitar but I want to play music on my computer |
| 05:06.21 | Dicander | I'm running debian sid on an ASRock K8NF6G-VSTA motherboard. The graphics card and network card started working when i switched to sid and kernel 2.6.18 (from Ubuntu 6.10). Unfortunately I can't get sound from my integrated sound card. According to the documentation I should be using snd_hda_intel. The module is loaded but alsamixer says: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:06.57 | enouf | Miesco: so plug your guitar into it |
| 05:07.26 | enouf | Miesco: using Gnome or KDE at all ? |
| 05:07.44 | Miesco | enouf: Yea |
| 05:07.46 | PingFloyd | are you sure the ubuntu kernel has built in support for your sound card (and enabled/module)? |
| 05:07.50 | Miesco | enouf: gnome |
| 05:08.01 | Miesco | enouf: But I have a classical guitar so it wont plug in |
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| 05:08.27 | itchi | Dicander: Go #ubuntu |
| 05:08.31 | enouf | Miesco: ther are pickups for that .. or run a live mic |
| 05:08.45 | Miesco | enouf: Well I just want to play an mp3 file |
| 05:08.50 | Dicander | PingFloyd: I didn't check sound in ubuntu. |
| 05:08.56 | enouf | Miesco: xmms |
| 05:08.59 | itchi | Dicander: Maybe, simpy, what are you trying to do? Break your toys? |
| 05:09.14 | Miesco | enouf: Something is using /dev/dsp |
| 05:09.26 | PingFloyd | Dicander: that's the first thing to check. Or to cut to the chase, build a custom kernel |
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| 05:09.34 | enouf | Miesco: kill it if you don't want it to do that |
| 05:09.35 | PingFloyd | then you'll know what is and isn't in there |
| 05:09.48 | Miesco | enouf: It wont get killed |
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| 05:09.55 | Miesco | enouf: Wait ill try -9 |
| 05:09.59 | PingFloyd | also newer != better |
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| 05:10.07 | enouf | Miesco: you're not trying hard enough .. maybe a sledgehammer would help |
| 05:10.32 | itchi | ug, im in the right channel?? |
| 05:10.40 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:10.44 | liable | Dicander: have you tried running alsaconf? |
| 05:10.57 | itchi | !beer Azar |
| 05:11.00 | Miesco | enouf: kill -9 wont even kill it |
| 05:11.11 | enouf | Miesco: what is it? |
| 05:11.12 | Azar | hello honorables, one single thing is bothering me |
| 05:11.21 | itchi | Azar: The last one of me this year :-) |
| 05:11.25 | Miesco | enouf: play, says status: Zombie, resident memory: 0 bytes |
| 05:11.27 | Azar | we can't all have the new year coming at the same time |
| 05:11.46 | enouf | play? |
| 05:11.51 | Miesco | Yea |
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| 05:12.06 | enouf | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 05:12.19 | PingFloyd | I bet it's arts or esd |
| 05:12.32 | Miesco | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. |
| 05:12.43 | enouf | as root .. |
| 05:12.46 | Miesco | Okay |
| 05:12.50 | itchi | Azar: Have you a patch for it? |
| 05:12.51 | enouf | PingFloyd: me too |
| 05:13.05 | Azar | itchi, thinking hard about it |
| 05:13.07 | Miesco | enouf: Nothing |
| 05:13.13 | PingFloyd | those two daemons cause endless amount of sound issues it seems |
| 05:13.14 | itchi | Will be great a patch for it :-p |
| 05:13.15 | Miesco | enouf: I'll try running alsaconf |
| 05:13.16 | Azar | anything can be possible |
| 05:13.43 | Azar | ... like inventing the international Debian time |
| 05:13.51 | itchi | hehe |
| 05:13.54 | enouf | Miesco: pstree -lunp and find it's parent and kill that |
| 05:14.11 | Miesco | enouf: It works now, I ran alsaconf |
| 05:14.17 | PingFloyd | I one days decided that esd is more of PITA than it's worth and did away with it altogether. Oh yay.. so I don't have neeto system sounds in gnome now |
| 05:14.18 | Azar | like.. hmm where have you been yesterday at 4:00 debian time? |
| 05:14.44 | enouf | PingFloyd: I don't even have any gnome |
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| 05:14.51 | itchi | !beer #debian |
| 05:14.56 | Azar | I am gonna gnu patent debian time hehe |
| 05:15.03 | itchi | And sync your clock right now! |
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| 05:16.17 | PingFloyd | I have yet to find any WM or DE that I really like |
| 05:17.04 | PingFloyd | they all seem to have their ups and downs |
| 05:17.15 | itchi | PingFloyd: I like fluxbox, xfce :-) |
| 05:17.26 | PingFloyd | there was some things I liked about fluxbox |
| 05:18.02 | itchi | PingFloyd: Clean, less mem usage, you left many space(like ther borders are little) |
| 05:18.14 | PingFloyd | yeah, it was nice and fast |
| 05:18.23 | PingFloyd | like it's use of tabs also |
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| 05:18.40 | itchi | PingFloyd: But i have tweak the theme too, so that the font is 2 size lesser, an border are many more lesser too |
| 05:19.14 | n3kl_ | is amd64 a k7 arch? |
| 05:19.26 | PingFloyd | for that, I ended up having to put a certain line in my xorg.conf iirc |
| 05:19.30 | Cyis | n3kl_: no it would be a K8 |
| 05:19.36 | itchi | PingFloyd: Maybe you want to see my less screenshots about it http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/ |
| 05:19.42 | PingFloyd | it changed it to so the resolution reflected the proper dpi |
| 05:20.09 | itchi | n3kl_: No it's different |
| 05:20.26 | itchi | !amd64 |
| 05:20.26 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 05:20.40 | PingFloyd | I was on a kick with ratpoison for awhile |
| 05:20.51 | PingFloyd | I like it in some ways |
| 05:21.08 | itchi | PingFloyd: Not yet have try it |
| 05:21.10 | n3kl_ | itchi: yeah, I have tried to run amd64 debian and it was such a pain for some things. I had to have an installation of i386 just to run some apps |
| 05:21.15 | n3kl_ | itchi: but, thanks |
| 05:21.20 | Dicander | liable: alsaconf does not find any supported PnP or PCI card |
| 05:21.22 | PingFloyd | I think it's gets a bit too over the top about being mouse-less, but I like it's shortcuts and clean and simple interface |
| 05:22.06 | itchi | n3kl_: Looks like you know the story ;-) |
| 05:22.26 | PingFloyd | ratpoison is kind of the like the concept of screen |
| 05:22.28 | PingFloyd | but in X |
| 05:22.38 | PingFloyd | for use with X programs |
| 05:22.55 | liable | Dicander: hrm, google the lspci outpur for the card and see what it comes up with |
| 05:23.01 | liable | output |
| 05:23.19 | itchi | Azar: Heh, will be realy great, believe it, saw an (Yeah!) Ubuntu book in a big chain supermaket. Things change, yeah! :-) |
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| 05:23.34 | PingFloyd | so if you get real put off with X altogether, it's kind of a nice thing, in that it's like giving the whole gui paradigm the finger but still be able to run programs requiring X |
| 05:23.51 | itchi | PingFloyd: hhhm, i love screen :-) |
| 05:24.13 | PingFloyd | you'll probably like rat poison then |
| 05:24.29 | PingFloyd | it's sort like using ion, but without all the extra hassle of tweaking or configuring |
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| 05:24.55 | itchi | PingFloyd: Is installing, i wait ... 4344B/s |
| 05:24.59 | Azar | itchi, if Etch comes with bloated desktop and windows-like gadgets, well hell why not a "Etch for dummies" ? |
| 05:25.09 | PingFloyd | if you like emacs, you'll really be at home |
| 05:25.15 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, sure |
| 05:25.20 | PingFloyd | it uses emacs like keystrokes for just about everything |
| 05:25.47 | itchi | Azar: There are already books about Debian, have an French one, but for sysadmins |
| 05:26.18 | Azar | yeah, even Debian Times site went empty for the past two months... things slow down |
| 05:28.02 | grendal_prime | Azar: in all honesty, i built linux desktops for people all the time, etch is the most usable desktop i ve ever seen...beats windows hands down...mainly because i can totally taylor it to any idiot. dont need a book to teach them. |
| 05:28.38 | grendal_prime | i dont have to worry about them fking anything up. its locked down |
| 05:28.45 | itchi | grendal_prime: Depend of the skill level :-) |
| 05:28.57 | PingFloyd | if it gets too easy, it kind of takes the fun out of it :) |
| 05:29.01 | itchi | grendal_prime: And depend if these want to know more about it |
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| 05:30.04 | grendal_prime | i know several windows sys admins that are at the mearchy of a unix desktop, nothing they seem to think should apply does unless of course there are front ends installed.. |
| 05:30.42 | Azar | grendal_prime: agreed with you but people are attracted to books related to their system .. how to say that like if they buy a PC they like to have some sort of printed documentation on it even if they won't (and they will not) read it. |
| 05:31.10 | Azar | like; hey! I got a brand new coffe maker comes with an instruction book too! |
| 05:31.12 | wastrel | hi |
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| 05:31.41 | spldart | what was that neat tool to browse and load/unload modules called? |
| 05:31.46 | itchi | Like i was not allowed of my wife to take the lapy |
| 05:31.46 | PingFloyd | grendal_prime: I've never gotten those types of admins. I usually try to avoid being dependant on things. |
| 05:31.49 | Azar | slap some color pictures there too, funny bookmarks, and success |
| 05:32.07 | PingFloyd | nice to have them for convenience though |
| 05:32.09 | Azar | yay! scli, new toy |
| 05:32.17 | iLLf8d | spldart, ubuloader |
| 05:33.27 | PingFloyd | for me, the best book is the internet |
| 05:33.37 | spldart | It was something available to apt on stable... but ubuloader doesn't show up in a search :( |
| 05:33.43 | PingFloyd | bits and piece of information all over the place |
| 05:33.55 | spldart | hrm |
| 05:33.58 | spldart | maybe I'm wrong |
| 05:35.07 | iLLf8d | spldart, lsmod, modprobe, insmod rmmod |
| 05:35.16 | PingFloyd | that's what I was thinking |
| 05:35.20 | PingFloyd | modprobe and lsmod etc |
| 05:35.24 | SerajewelKS | is there some alsa mechanism by which an audio stream coming from a certain process id can have its volume adjusted separately from all other processes? |
| 05:35.30 | Azar | special Etch CD with KDE as default, wow |
| 05:35.35 | iLLf8d | PingFloyd, I was just messing with him |
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| 05:35.51 | iLLf8d | PingFloyd, thought it was in the #ubuntu channel didn't notice it was #debian |
| 05:35.56 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 05:36.12 | itchi | PingFloyd: Sure, some time you just need some /mobile/ docs :-) |
| 05:36.21 | iLLf8d | sometimes I make up ficticious tools in #ubuntu and #macosx |
| 05:36.41 | iLLf8d | like fake iTools and ubuTool =P |
| 05:36.59 | spldart | I no those commands... but there was a neat tool that could browse through and pick out modules.. someone on here turned me onto it but unfortunately the machine i was irc'ing on is my work rig and I'm at home :( |
| 05:37.18 | SerajewelKS | spldart: modconf |
| 05:37.23 | spldart | ooOOoo |
| 05:37.27 | spldart | sounds right |
| 05:37.37 | SerajewelKS | it is right |
| 05:37.43 | poncha | hehe |
| 05:38.07 | spldart | yep.. that's teh one |
| 05:38.12 | spldart | thankies |
| 05:38.16 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 05:38.17 | itchi | spldart: Or you can do modprobe -l *foo* |
| 05:38.31 | spldart | having fun with an old chomper core k6 and some wierd rare chinese mobo |
| 05:39.05 | itchi | spldart: But then you need to know what your looking for. Sure, modconf will be are your friend, if you not yet know which module you exactly need |
| 05:39.40 | spldart | true.. but I do have an idea what I'm doin... and am familiar with using modprobe insmod etc |
| 05:39.50 | n3kl_ | is raid difficult to setup in linux? |
| 05:39.53 | spldart | and if I break it no biggie... it's a fun rig |
| 05:39.53 | iLLf8d | and modinfo too |
| 05:40.10 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, looks easy if its not hw raid I heard hw raid can be a pita at times |
| 05:40.26 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, I'm gonna set one up soon been reading up on it |
| 05:40.39 | n3kl_ | iLLf8d: isn't hw raid faster though, cause it does not need to use your cpu or the OS |
| 05:40.59 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know of some kind of a "process jail" in linux where i can restrict a process' access to, say the sourd card or the network? |
| 05:41.00 | n3kl_ | iLLf8d: I want to build a raid iscsi appliance for a file server |
| 05:41.14 | SerajewelKS | without rolling my own hackish preload library :) |
| 05:41.18 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, I haven't read up on the performance much I'm just looking at a software raid 5 setup for a file server |
| 05:41.25 | Azar | itchi, did you ever tried htop? I am about to get it and try |
| 05:41.37 | liable | Azar: its nice |
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| 05:41.49 | Azar | yay! I am definitely going to have fun! |
| 05:41.53 | Azar | thanks liable |
| 05:42.19 | itchi | Azar: Not yet, wait a bit ;-) |
| 05:42.20 | iLLf8d | htop is nice but you can run into hotkey issues |
| 05:42.37 | itchi | Azar: hhhm, had you not yet many fun with Debian? ;-) |
| 05:42.38 | n3kl_ | iLLf8d: have you bought the hardware yet? |
| 05:42.48 | iLLf8d | no mines gonna be a software setup only |
| 05:43.00 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, the hw to get a decent setup is pretty costly |
| 05:43.13 | n3kl_ | true |
| 05:43.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Not particularly. |
| 05:43.25 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, seems you gotta spend about $200-250 to get decent performance |
| 05:43.34 | Azar | itchi, lots but I like to test new games, gadgets.. |
| 05:43.44 | karsten | SerajewelKS: One option is virtualization. You can expose a given guest OS instance to only specified HW interfaces. |
| 05:44.01 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, actually I may buy a really cheap one like $18 just to stripe 2 smaller drives together |
| 05:44.02 | Azar | iLLf8d: huh, what hotkeys? |
| 05:44.10 | itchi | Azar: hehe ;-) |
| 05:44.12 | karsten | SerajewelKS: That's one of the directions Xen heads in, though other technologies (VMWare, UML, qemu) can effectively do the same. |
| 05:44.22 | iLLf8d | n3kl_, and use the 2 striped drives as the extra failover drive for the raid 5 setup |
| 05:44.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: okay so let's try a different route. if i was to build such a jailer system, using a controlling daemon that would expose rules to the user per-process, using a preload library to talk to the daemon, what's to prevent a process from spawning a child with no LD_PRELOAD set? |
| 05:45.01 | unsucht | how do i make programs automatically start at boot up |
| 05:45.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i guess what i'm saying is, is there a way to force all processes under a process i start to use the preload library? |
| 05:45.27 | iLLf8d | Azar, iirc I was having screen issues and or vnc issues |
| 05:45.29 | karsten | SerajewelKS: If the libs aren't on path, you can't access them, so a well-constructed chroot would be one option. |
| 05:45.33 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Hrm.... |
| 05:45.36 | iLLf8d | Azar, I can't recall which offhand |
| 05:45.42 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I don't think so, not easily. |
| 05:45.47 | itchi | woooaa htop! |
| 05:46.06 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Children inherit parent's environment, but you can't prevent children from setting new environment vars. |
| 05:46.06 | itchi | Could you not tell me that before? :-p |
| 05:46.07 | SerajewelKS | karsten: hmm one option would be to intercept the process spawning calls too, and make sure the preload has the library in it |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Right. |
| 05:46.17 | Azar | iLLf8d: I don't have to worry, I use minimal install here, with a very few cosmetic things, no desktop, vnc and other gadgets |
| 05:46.46 | Azar | itchi, I just found it at debaday.debian.net |
| 05:46.46 | karsten | SerajewelKS: However, if you've got a chroot with only specified libs (or variants of them) in it, then the children can't just reset LD_* values to bypass them. |
| 05:46.48 | iLLf8d | it was probably just a screen issue |
| 05:46.48 | SerajewelKS | karsten: or even just setenv |
| 05:47.06 | SerajewelKS | karsten: but chroot requires root; i'm trying to make this a nonroot solution |
| 05:47.24 | karsten | SerajewelKS: In general, however, such containment is asticky problem. Might look to see what SELinux does. It's a roles / capabilities model security concept, IIUC. |
| 05:47.33 | Azar | yep it looks nice |
| 05:47.39 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sucks To Be You[tm] ;-) |
| 05:48.04 | karsten | SerajewelKS: There are some user-space chroot tools in Debian. |
| 05:48.10 | SerajewelKS | karsten: true... it'd be nice if selinux didn't require a whole new kernel |
| 05:48.16 | SerajewelKS | karsten: really... whereabouts? |
| 05:48.39 | karsten | SerajewelKS: WRT SEL: among the reasons i don't play with it much. |
| 05:48.39 | Dicander | liable: Ahh... Through oodles of googling I think I came up with the solution. THX. |
| 05:48.45 | itchi | Azar: Added to my debian list :-) |
| 05:49.11 | karsten | SerajewelKS: schroot, chrootuid, I think. |
| 05:49.12 | liable | Dicander: what was the problem? |
| 05:49.35 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I've run across refs, not used 'em. |
| 05:49.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I've also got a blinding headache and am about to bail. |
| 05:50.03 | SerajewelKS | karsten: alright, thanks for the tips |
| 05:50.09 | karsten | SerajewelKS: NP. |
| 05:50.26 | Dicander | I was trying to make everything work with snd_hda_intel |
| 05:50.27 | unsucht | i know this might now be the place, but i just reg my nick but i can't identify using my password, and when i try reg again it says already used |
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| 05:51.00 | liable | unsucht: try #freenode |
| 05:51.12 | liable | unsucht: /msg nickserv help |
| 05:51.19 | unsucht | thanks |
| 05:51.30 | Dicander | Apparently there was a Realtek Linux audiopack that worked for some other guy. I'm installing it now *fingers crossed* |
| 05:51.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: problem with chroot is just that: it changes root |
| 05:52.05 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... and? |
| 05:52.09 | SerajewelKS | karsten: and so the user has no access to their stuff unless it mounted in |
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| 05:53.22 | karsten | SerajewelKS: bind mounts. |
| 05:53.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: man mount |
| 05:53.36 | SerajewelKS | karsten: is there any way other than setenv to modify the environment before spawning a process? |
| 05:54.00 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Several. That's the usual suspect though. |
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| 05:54.50 | SerajewelKS | karsten: chroot just seems like using a sledgehammer to... do something that doesn't need a sledgehammer. the metaphors aren't coming to me tonight. |
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| 05:55.38 | SerajewelKS | that how you got the headache? :) |
| 05:55.40 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ISTR that threading may allow something like this. |
| 05:55.46 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Kissing frogs. |
| 05:55.52 | SerajewelKS | karsten: istr? |
| 05:55.56 | karsten | !istr |
| 05:55.57 | dpkg | somebody said istr was I seem to recall/remember |
| 05:56.01 | SerajewelKS | karsten: don't do toad! |
| 05:56.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i'm not sure what threading has to do with this :) |
| 05:56.15 | karsten | SerajewelKS: better toad than toad stool ;-) |
| 05:56.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: processes are defined by several things, including their environment. |
| 05:56.39 | karsten | IIRC threads share environment with parent. |
| 05:56.48 | karsten | I'm *really* hazy on that though. |
| 05:56.50 | PingFloyd | SerajewelKS: you can also run env with arguements |
| 05:57.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i don't need to enforce preload within a process, it's when a new process is spawned |
| 05:57.06 | PingFloyd | as an arguement to chroot |
| 05:57.08 | karsten | Might want to doa some brief research. But if you designed a threaded tool, etc. |
| 05:57.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: inside the same process the preload library is already loaded |
| 05:57.25 | karsten | Yeah, I sorta suspecteed. |
| 05:57.41 | SerajewelKS | PingFloyd: forget about chroot :) |
| 05:58.08 | karsten | SerajewelKS: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 05:58.13 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i'm not all that worried about it, but somehow firefox/iceweasel seem to dodge connect() |
| 05:58.24 | bingnet922 | help please! immediately after boot the load average is >75! There are 300+ processes, but only 1-5 running at once. I can see a LOT of "clamscan" processes. I'm running ispconfig as a mail server. I might have had a spam attack or huge double-bounce loop if such a thing exists. I was seeing a rapid increase in the active queue which was mostly mail from "double-bounce@mydomain.com" to "postmaster@mydomain.com" |
| 05:58.51 | karsten | bingnet922: You're aware of the difference between load average and CPU load? |
| 05:58.58 | SerajewelKS | karsten: think a linux zonealarm-ish thing, only we're talking access to everything, not just network |
| 05:59.09 | karsten | bingnet922: What's your actual CPU utilization? Which processes are in Runnable state? |
| 05:59.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: so i can, by pushing a button, turn audio from my browser on and off |
| 05:59.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: or run a process in a jail where it has access to nothing without my permission |
| 05:59.42 | karsten | SerajewelKS: UID stuff. |
| 05:59.51 | SerajewelKS | karsten: pardon? |
| 05:59.53 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Run browser in a different user context. |
| 06:00.03 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sorry, head hurts. |
| 06:00.18 | bingnet922 | karsten: yes, real load average is 75,72,70 |
| 06:00.19 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that will only allow changes by restarting the process |
| 06:00.45 | karsten | SerajewelKS: No, you can allow/disallow that process access based on permissions at the device level. |
| 06:01.00 | karsten | but crudely., |
| 06:01.00 | bingnet922 | karsten: CPU utilization is nominal |
| 06:01.02 | n3kl_ | I am trying to do things the debian way. I installed a linux image, booted into it and followed the instructions for setting up the nvidia driver at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. I am using the same xorg.conf that I was using before I rebooted and now I am getting a message fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" when I try to start X. What am I overlooking? |
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| 06:01.09 | SerajewelKS | karsten: nod, but that requires root. remember we're trying to do this without root at all. |
| 06:01.11 | karsten | bingnet922: WTF does "nominal" mean? |
| 06:01.25 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sucks To Be You[tm] ;-) |
| 06:01.27 | bingnet922 | karsten: nothing out of the ordinary |
| 06:01.40 | SerajewelKS | karsten: not really but ok :) |
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| 06:02.00 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i've been pondering this system for about a year, and i think i've done the research i need to start writing it |
| 06:02.05 | karsten | bingnet922: You've likely got a bunch of processes in wait state for disk or (my guess) network IO. |
| 06:02.10 | medc | h3sp4wn, dude are u there? |
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| 06:03.10 | medc | guys there is a better p2p than Amule???? |
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| 06:03.32 | SerajewelKS | medc: depends what you use it for |
| 06:03.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sounds like a daemon/driver hack would be the way to fly. As I said: this doesn't fit too well with the standard Unix / Linux permissions model, there are a number of ways around the fundamental issue, and many of htem involve some seemingly wild kluges. |
| 06:03.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: kludges are my specialty |
| 06:03.55 | bingnet922 | karsten: i'm not sure how to count how many procs are in a runnable state, I'll have to read about that first. I did notice that the post stalls a very long time during boot after printing the line ip_conntrack version 2.1... " |
| 06:04.05 | medc | SerajewelKS, music, videos |
| 06:04.13 | Azar | hahahahahaha..oh my sorry..hahahahaha, darn funky news |
| 06:04.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: best model i can figure is to run a daemon and have the preload library ask it for permission on each open() or connect() |
| 06:04.57 | Azar | the ultimate goal nears its top: ubuntu will fullfill its users' dreams by allowing them to install / run IE |
| 06:05.23 | SerajewelKS | karsten: and then the daemon (which could be, say, a gtk app) could ask the user if its okay or use some logic to determine what it should do |
| 06:05.29 | Kim^J | Azar: Who the **** runs IE? |
| 06:05.43 | wastrel | i have it at my job |
| 06:05.50 | medc | SerajewelKS, music, videos |
| 06:05.55 | Azar | Kim^J: just found an article some sort of howto run IE in ubuntu |
| 06:05.57 | bingnet922 | karsten: ty for the input. Please elaborate a little on "wait state for disk or network IO" or if you can point me in the right direction. |
| 06:06.00 | Kim^J | wastrel: Why? |
| 06:06.00 | SerajewelKS | Kim^J: more like, who wants to |
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| 06:06.19 | SerajewelKS | medc: then maybe bittorrent, i dunno, google it and pick one. each network is "better" in some way. |
| 06:06.27 | Kim^J | Azar: I have been running IE in Ubuntu... A year ago. |
| 06:06.30 | wastrel | Kim^J: firefox behaves funky on an internal website we use |
| 06:06.35 | grendal_prime | hey..i need to tunnel something via ssh..whos good with that? |
| 06:06.49 | Azar | darn, people just don't want a change |
| 06:06.54 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: ask your real question :) |
| 06:06.54 | Kim^J | wastrel: Recode the thing. |
| 06:07.03 | xsdg | grendal_prime: man ssh; the option you want is likely -R and/or -L |
| 06:07.08 | dan2 | damn, where's abrotman |
| 06:07.09 | wastrel | not my job |
| 06:07.10 | dan2 | asg: you around? |
| 06:07.33 | grendal_prime | i mean..basically right now i have several linux based routers working...and i get to vncservers on windows boxes on the other side of them by tunnelling vnc through ssh using the vncviewer -via command |
| 06:07.39 | itchi | Azar: Some change many more, just to the bad way :-/ |
| 06:07.42 | SerajewelKS | karsten: and this is why i've put this project off. there's no easy way to do it. |
| 06:08.07 | itchi | Azar: And try to tell him that :-) |
| 06:09.12 | grendal_prime | but i would like to use rdesktop to use the windows server im wondering how difficult it would be to tunnel it as well...(there is no -via option for rdesktop) |
| 06:09.40 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: rdesktop should not care who it's talking to |
| 06:09.57 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: tunnel the connection and tell it to connect to localhost |
| 06:11.05 | grendal_prime | ya but i want to connect it to a machine on the other side of the router |
| 06:11.41 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:11.56 | grendal_prime | currently this is what does work with vnc.. |
| 06:12.13 | Azar | hmmm well we are all so different, many want to stick with the old windows ways and gadgets, I only wanted something totally different than windows.. so I stick with the basics |
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| 06:12.37 | SerajewelKS | karsten: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/ |
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| 06:13.11 | grendal_prime | vncviewer -via username@gateway_server_name_or_ip internal_ip:0 |
| 06:14.00 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: like i said, open the tunnel with ssh and tell rdesktop to connect to the local endpoint. not sure what's so hard. |
| 06:14.05 | grendal_prime | its nice bacause i just need to change the interal_ip:0 to the machine on the other side i want to get to. its encrypted to the gateway and then runs the vnc protocol to the machine on the other side. |
| 06:14.09 | Azar | I liked Woody a lot, A LOT. Sarge gave me a bit more comfort and make-up. Etch goes way too much for my taste to the windows ways with desktops, icons, gadgets. I guess I will stick with Sarge |
| 06:14.39 | grendal_prime | Azar: you dont have to install any thing you know |
| 06:14.43 | SerajewelKS | Azar: or pick a different desktop environment |
| 06:14.56 | itchi | Azar: ug, Etch == Sarge, just config/install what you want |
| 06:14.59 | epsilon | Azar: uninstalling kde helps |
| 06:15.00 | PingFloyd | If a site only works right with IE, it means it coded poorly |
| 06:15.10 | wastrel | kde is the default thingus for etch? |
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| 06:15.12 | PingFloyd | and it's devs needs to wake up |
| 06:15.18 | Cyis | one of the reasons I love Debian over Fedora/Redhat/et el is that I can install without a GUI complete |
| 06:15.19 | itchi | Azar: Want to see my fluxbox stuff on Etch? :-) |
| 06:15.21 | Cyis | completely |
| 06:15.34 | grendal_prime | Cyis: hear hear |
| 06:15.43 | Azar | grendal_prime, SerajewelKS I guess if I ever go for Etch I will get only the base install and try to keep same simple stuff on my system. |
| 06:15.51 | PingFloyd | Cyis: yeah, I like to install just the base and built up from there |
| 06:15.53 | Cyis | PingFloyd: I'll second that comment |
| 06:16.16 | itchi | Azar: Yup, that you need to do, or maybe you gona like gnome more as kde ;-) |
| 06:16.17 | Gge | wastrel, no Gnome is the default one with Etch |
| 06:16.19 | Azar | itchi, I have Etch installed back in August, my way and does not seem to look much different than this Sarge configuration |
| 06:16.33 | grendal_prime | Azar: im a sarge user...swore i would never go any further...last etch install i did was so trouble free, i had to switch. |
| 06:16.37 | Cyis | I only use the netinst CD and throw a base (ie- I select nothing on the tasksel scrreen) |
| 06:16.37 | Azar | itchi, desktops are too bloated |
| 06:16.50 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 06:17.03 | grendal_prime | tasksel? dude....icka. |
| 06:17.03 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, it's same stuff, just newer and you just need to install the stuff you want, if you not like that stuff; okay, not install it :-) |
| 06:17.07 | wastrel | i just installed sarge on my old crappy laptop |
| 06:17.09 | Azar | grendal_prime: my only two fears: losing xfree86 and lilo |
| 06:17.28 | itchi | Azar: I use fluxbox right now on an duo core 1,6GHz with 2MB cache each :-) |
| 06:17.29 | grendal_prime | lilo? |
| 06:17.31 | wastrel | don't be afraid of grub |
| 06:17.33 | Cyis | Azar: and both of which are improvements IMHO |
| 06:17.54 | Azar | I tried grub and I felt lost, very uncomfortable |
| 06:17.57 | grendal_prime | jesus...i have not used that since....wait...well before rh 7.3 ? |
| 06:18.00 | wastrel | it's not so bad, really. lilo is an old friend but grub is an improvement, once you get used to it. |
| 06:18.08 | Cyis | I haven't used LILO in ages... |
| 06:18.16 | grendal_prime | i think that was the fist distro i saw that fully embraced grub. |
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| 06:18.28 | Azar | with grub I feel lost, no control over it |
| 06:18.39 | grendal_prime | you have got to be kidding |
| 06:18.42 | wastrel | azar i felt the same way when i switched :] |
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| 06:18.45 | itchi | Azar: Just because i love fluxbox :-) but like gnome too, like i have ram enought too, some time i use gnome. Mostly i run gnome/kde to show the stuff to people. But show fluxbox and other stuff to :-) |
| 06:18.46 | Cyis | I was reluctant at first to use grub at a colleagues suggestion... but I was so glad I did |
| 06:18.50 | Azar | we all fear what we cant control |
| 06:18.50 | wastrel | just takes time to get to know how it works. |
| 06:19.03 | liable | whats there to control? |
| 06:19.07 | Cyis | Azar: No control? I think grub gives you so much more control |
| 06:19.18 | PingFloyd | I like grub better, it's more platform agnostic |
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| 06:19.41 | Cyis | not to mention grub doesn't require having to reinstall to the MBR after every kernel upgrade |
| 06:19.44 | grendal_prime | grub just knows shit...i mean dealing with xp on a lilo system.. |
| 06:19.48 | PingFloyd | exactly |
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| 06:19.54 | Azar | well many say "get it, set it and forget it" << I don't like that |
| 06:19.58 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, there's an need for an /knowledge upgrade/, but grub is kinda easy |
| 06:20.12 | PingFloyd | also, when you install a new kernel or rebuild one, it's nice and hands free |
| 06:20.19 | Cyis | new kernel? no problem... update menu.lst and reboot... and even that is done automatically with the call to update-grub from the kernel image package |
| 06:20.23 | PingFloyd | when used with kernel-package |
| 06:20.41 | Azar | I am used to tweak lilo and have other kernels handy there.. |
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| 06:21.00 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: ok...back to the reality that is my problem...you got a sample syntax for me? |
| 06:21.10 | grendal_prime | cause im sort of clueless on this... |
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| 06:21.21 | PingFloyd | what is nice is how it doesn't required the configuration info to occupy the MBR |
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| 06:21.26 | grendal_prime | i mean i run x apps from remote all the time.. |
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| 06:21.33 | Cyis | Azar: yeah but when LILO is horked you can get screwed... when grub is horked you just enter the grub shell mode and edit the offending configuration and boot away... once booted fix the config |
| 06:21.36 | grendal_prime | but thats different i think... |
| 06:21.43 | PingFloyd | just gets the system to point where it will handle that as it bootstraps |
| 06:21.55 | Azar | Cyis: you talk about the li hiccup? |
| 06:22.02 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: ssh -L localport:remoteip:remoteport sshserver |
| 06:22.11 | grendal_prime | ya on the lilo and horked(i love that term by the way) |
| 06:22.18 | Cyis | Azar: that and if you upgrade the kernel and remove the old one but forget to re-run LILO |
| 06:22.21 | PingFloyd | from a bootloader that is chain loaded or read the settings in the menu.list |
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| 06:22.31 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: where remoteip:remoteport is the remote endpoint, from the perspective of the server (dns resolution happens at the server) |
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| 06:22.41 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: and localport is the port to listen on locally |
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| 06:23.01 | Azar | Cyis: first I know how to fix a li hiccup, second, I would not remove a good working kernel from lilo just because.. |
| 06:23.10 | Cyis | grendal_prime: horked just sounds right... also reminds me of when I hear our cat coughing up a hair ball |
| 06:23.25 | Cyis | Azar: I ran into that problem on space limited machines |
| 06:23.52 | grendal_prime | ok, say ....my macchine here is 192.168.0.1 and the gateway im hitting is myserver.com and the machine on the other side is 192.168.0.2 |
| 06:23.59 | Azar | well, I might try grub one more time on my testing box, maybe my brains grew a bit in the meantime.. I will need to do some more reading and testing |
| 06:24.03 | Cyis | when all you have is < 300MB for the whole system... you don't have a whole lot of room to maintain multiple kernels |
| 06:24.28 | grendal_prime | port for rdesktop is....hmmm that i will have to look up...hold on |
| 06:24.36 | PingFloyd | Azar: the docs are a bit ambiguous for grub, but once you play with it for awhile, it actually is easier to deal with than lilo |
| 06:24.38 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: 3389 iirc |
| 06:24.55 | Azar | I had my hardships with lilo at the beginning too, when I was new at linux, but I managed to learn how to fix it |
| 06:24.58 | Cyis | although the default config for grub is pretty sane |
| 06:24.59 | PingFloyd | deal with when things go wrong or there is an oversight |
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| 06:25.17 | PingFloyd | easier in that sense |
| 06:25.18 | Cyis | I'd rather deal with sendmail m4 configurations than lilo |
| 06:25.24 | PingFloyd | and that it's more generic about things |
| 06:25.40 | Azar | PingFloyd: most I learn googling, reading blogs, articles, howtos and people sharing their personal experience with it |
| 06:25.51 | PingFloyd | Azar: same here |
| 06:26.02 | grendal_prime | ya 3389 |
| 06:26.07 | Cyis | same here, plus 10 years IT experience and working with Linux since '93 |
| 06:26.20 | Azar | Cyis: lilo is tough for some, was for me too, but I grew to like it |
| 06:26.35 | PingFloyd | Azar: also alot through expirmentation and then things in the man pages start clicking |
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| 06:26.45 | mhall | I just got done writing a dummy DNS server that's capable of dealing with nslookup. It took a lot of time and 900 lines of C++. I wonder how many exploits it's vulnerable to! |
| 06:26.47 | Cyis | Azar: I wouldn't say lilo is tough... just a pita in that it saves everything in the mbr which I don't have to deal with using grub |
| 06:27.02 | wastrel | <3 nslookup |
| 06:27.08 | Azar | man pages are making me dizzy, I love reading but for me man pages are like the telephone book |
| 06:27.08 | mhall | I find lilo's config syntax much friendlier than grub. |
| 06:27.23 | PingFloyd | Cyis: yeah, I like avoiding having to rewrite the mbr less than necessary |
| 06:27.35 | mhall | Azar: *for you*? *for nearly everybody* hence why most people don't read them before talking in here |
| 06:27.58 | wastrel | learn to search in man pages - it is worthwhile :] |
| 06:28.00 | mhall | Azar: anyways, if you compare the quality of manpages-posix-dev to their Windows equivalents, it's like a whole other universe |
| 06:28.03 | mhall | wastrel: no kidding |
| 06:28.07 | grendal_prime | that and who the hell can remember the syntax for that app...i mean...how the hell do you spell man again? |
| 06:28.13 | Cyis | apropos is your friend |
| 06:28.19 | mhall | wastrel: the UNIX ones are SO MUCH BETTER at their WORST than WINDOWS at its best |
| 06:28.19 | PingFloyd | Azar: the man pages make more sense as you have a point of reference to them |
| 06:28.27 | PingFloyd | Azar: they're ideal as a reference |
| 06:28.30 | mhall | Cyis: however if it's new software don't forget to run mandb or you're screwed |
| 06:28.42 | Azar | mhall, I don't know why is that: because the text is white on black, or maybe because the way the writing is done.. not quite a literary way.. rather a statistical way |
| 06:28.46 | Guerin | mhall: happy new year, dawg. |
| 06:28.50 | mhall | PingFloyd: yeah it depends on you knowing or being able to find out where it's broken |
| 06:28.52 | PingFloyd | Azar: as you use whatever it is, that it refers to, they make more sense |
| 06:28.53 | wastrel | /<keyword> to search for a keyword in the manpage viewer |
| 06:28.56 | mhall | Guerin: not yet =) |
| 06:29.02 | Cyis | mhall: I haven't had to worry about re-running mandb after installing for awhile now |
| 06:29.07 | wastrel | n to get to the next match |
| 06:29.09 | mhall | Guerin: i'm still in the previous shitty year lol |
| 06:29.14 | Azar | hello honorables, mhall, Guerin its not yet New Years time. |
| 06:29.15 | Guerin | mhall: in 05:27 in guerinland |
| 06:29.24 | grendal_prime | i got to tell you ..the entire concept of the man pages blew me away..(i was a pissed off vb programmer when i started using linux) |
| 06:29.27 | liable | wtf? |
| 06:29.28 | mhall | Guerin: but on sunday right? |
| 06:29.36 | mhall | Guerin: december has 31 days?!?!?!one |
| 06:29.37 | Azar | Guerin: I want a Debian Standard Time to be instituted |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | mhall: everywhere around the world, yes. |
| 06:29.44 | PingFloyd | mhall: yeah, I rarely ever read any of them from top to bottom, instead, I just skim through them to find the piece of info I need |
| 06:29.55 | Cyis | sweet... my new cron job ran perfectly and generated my client's monthly invoice :) |
| 06:29.58 | Guerin | beer, check. spliffs, check. friends, check. barbecue, check. neil, check. Must be new year's eve! |
| 06:30.03 | grendal_prime | the idea that i could at any location on the server type man programname and it would give me the help file for it. was..unbelieveable. |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | neil = young |
| 06:30.10 | mhall | PingFloyd: usu. the only time you read them front to back is when you are using a new API function |
| 06:30.10 | Azar | PingFloyd: I find it easier to google for a term than go through man pages |
| 06:30.16 | mhall | Guerin: sweet |
| 06:30.21 | mhall | Guerin: back in NZ i assume? |
| 06:30.35 | Guerin | mhall: have been since june, motorbike accident. |
| 06:30.37 | mhall | Guerin: i'm thinking to visit either AU or NZ next year actually |
| 06:30.38 | PingFloyd | Azar: I have such mixed results with google |
| 06:30.41 | Guerin | stupid gravity |
| 06:30.44 | Guerin | damn it to hell |
| 06:30.56 | Cyis | you know... if you complain about UNIX man pages... try VAX/VMS 'help' pages :) |
| 06:30.56 | mhall | Guerin: yeah, quit paying your gravity bill and then you needn't worry |
| 06:31.00 | mhall | Guerin: they'll revoke it |
| 06:31.05 | mhall | Cyis: or windows api docs |
| 06:31.07 | liable | how do you get beer out the bottle without it? |
| 06:31.09 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:31.15 | Azar | PingFloyd: great, there are more angles you can see for a search in google |
| 06:31.19 | Guerin | liable: damn you and your logic. |
| 06:31.20 | PingFloyd | Cyis: I'm not sure if I'm so wild about info pages either |
| 06:31.22 | mhall | Cyis: UNIX docs are so good you could rewrite the function independently yourself |
| 06:31.29 | PingFloyd | they seem so convoluted |
| 06:31.42 | PingFloyd | and too step you through things |
| 06:31.52 | mhall | Cyis: but if you try windows ones, you can't even figure out what theirs does, plus no source code, plus the function doesn't even do what they say it will |
| 06:31.53 | PingFloyd | instead of just giving the 411 upfront like man pages |
| 06:32.00 | Dewi | sorry to poll, but... lvm2 is considered mature enough to use, yeah? |
| 06:32.04 | pab | Okay, when I installed kde it threw all the packages for Kinfo and Kcontrol into lost & found in the menu system. Suggestions to fix? |
| 06:32.06 | Dewi | to use and to *trust* :P |
| 06:32.11 | PingFloyd | my only gripe about man pages is that I wish more of them had more examples |
| 06:32.12 | Azar | mhall, Guerin so you guys were ready to drink for the New Years? yee!!! two nights of drinking |
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| 06:32.23 | mhall | Cyis: for example they claim you can set SO_RECVTIMEO and SO_SENDTIMEO on sockets, but on some sockets it does not work so they don't tell you which ones it doesn't and why |
| 06:32.25 | PingFloyd | a few lines showing some examples is like a thousand words |
| 06:32.37 | Cyis | mhall: no fears... no chance of me ever working with windows API's ;) |
| 06:32.40 | wastrel | <3 examples |
| 06:32.41 | mhall | Cyis: so you end up littering your code with unneeded select()s just so you have socket timeouts |
| 06:32.50 | wastrel | one of the first things i do in a man page is /EXAM |
| 06:32.52 | mhall | wastrel: yes the EXAMPLES section rocks my socks |
| 06:33.04 | mhall | wastrel: i always do the same thing, then i read the rest |
| 06:33.31 | mhall | wastrel: they should put something at the bottom of the manpage, to force people to read all of it to figure out what it means ;-) |
| 06:33.41 | PingFloyd | mhall: that's another things too, it would nicer if they included more little caveat notes |
| 06:33.42 | Azar | good night honorables and happy new years! |
| 06:34.13 | PingFloyd | some of the man pages are better than others |
| 06:34.23 | PingFloyd | like every now and then, you hit an old one |
| 06:34.38 | PingFloyd | that makes you think, "hmm, docs have come a long way since then" |
| 06:34.57 | Cyis | I need to move my hosting elsewhere... current provider keeps pissing me off |
| 06:35.06 | mhall | PingFloyd: the caveats are always out of date |
| 06:35.21 | mhall | PingFloyd: usually if i'm real worried about those i end up reading the code |
| 06:35.27 | wastrel | every now and then you hit one that says "see info page for full documentation" |
| 06:35.29 | mhall | PingFloyd: code always progresses faster than its docs |
| 06:35.32 | wastrel | then you die a little inside |
| 06:35.36 | PingFloyd | mhall: yeah |
| 06:35.36 | mhall | wastrel: god that bums me out too |
| 06:35.47 | mhall | wastrel: i really love your phrase '22:35 < wastrel> then you die a little inside |
| 06:35.59 | mhall | wastrel: *very* well said; truer words have never been spoken |
| 06:36.00 | wastrel | :] |
| 06:36.06 | PingFloyd | mhall: that's why I usually figure the best way to find out for sure is give something a shot |
| 06:36.11 | Cyis | if it's not the JVM, it's the web server itself... if it's not that it's the mail server... they already had to issue me a credit for last month because they found out that was broke because of their lame ass fault |
| 06:36.18 | mhall | PingFloyd: unless it's something like rm ;-) |
| 06:36.34 | PingFloyd | mhall: and see what happens, on a system that's it's not the end of world if things get trashed |
| 06:36.34 | mhall | Cyis: JVM? what the hell are you doing on your hosting? |
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| 06:36.43 | Cyis | mhall: Java web app |
| 06:36.46 | mhall | PingFloyd: i know what you meant, was just teasing |
| 06:37.02 | mhall | Cyis: hmm maybe it's you who's broken instead of the hosting :-D ;-) |
| 06:37.06 | PingFloyd | mhall: bad things can happen with rm even after knowing it inside and out and having used it for ages |
| 06:37.18 | mhall | PingFloyd: yeah it's a perennial lossage generator |
| 06:37.27 | Cyis | nope... my client uses them as well for their corporate site |
| 06:37.39 | mhall | PingFloyd: i'm thinking of making a patch to it to create a testmode CLI option for it like some other commands have got |
| 06:37.43 | Cyis | they just keep screwing up my config |
| 06:37.50 | PingFloyd | mhall: in fact, seems like bad things are more likely to happen the longer you use it, due to force of habits kicking in and typing something you were half awake of |
| 06:37.57 | mhall | Cyis: ya it was just a little troll from a disgrunted java developer ;-) |
| 06:38.01 | Cyis | I'm looking at finding a Xen VPS provider |
| 06:38.04 | mhall | PingFloyd: no kidding |
| 06:38.13 | mhall | Cyis: be prepared to shell out some serious clams |
| 06:38.19 | mhall | Cyis: unless you want rootcrap |
| 06:38.43 | Cyis | mhall: I'm researching various providers now... there are more than a few months back |
| 06:38.45 | PingFloyd | as root using rm I have gotten in the habit of sitting there for a second and rereading before hitting enter and makes sure I'm looking at what I think I am |
| 06:38.48 | mhall | i hate rootcrap more than windows |
| 06:38.58 | mhall | PingFloyd: yeah hence why i switched to sudo |
| 06:39.13 | PingFloyd | but even with sudo, it will become a force of habit eventually |
| 06:39.20 | mhall | PingFloyd: i got myself into this mode, where i try the rm as user, and only rm with sudo when i get perms denied |
| 06:39.22 | PingFloyd | just with an extra command ;) |
| 06:39.24 | Cyis | would rather host myself locally which is what I've been doing for the past 10+ years... but don't have the room for my rack in my current place |
| 06:39.26 | mhall | PingFloyd: turns out to be pretty safe |
| 06:39.27 | liable | sudo wont let you rm -r / ? |
| 06:39.34 | Cyis | so the rack is in storage along with my rack mount servers |
| 06:39.55 | mhall | liable: sure it will but i found that liberal use of sudo changed the way my brain thought about commands enough that it prevents such |
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| 06:40.20 | mhall | liable: if you want a safer rm they have got a more realistic solution in solaris 10 |
| 06:40.35 | PingFloyd | one thing I do is have my root terminal display in a different colored text |
| 06:40.44 | mhall | liable: they used some sophisticated new permissions / access controls to make it so rm has a lot of default safeguards |
| 06:40.45 | liable | or just use the supplied commented alias |
| 06:40.53 | PingFloyd | red text instead of my usual green for user |
| 06:41.05 | mhall | liable: -i gets ugly when you have to delete a tree; they oughta make it smarter |
| 06:41.26 | mhall | liable: like make it prompt one time for each CLI object and its subobjects instead of EVERY FUCKING FILE |
| 06:41.26 | liable | mhall: oh, never even tried it actually :) |
| 06:41.35 | mhall | liable: yeah it's scary |
| 06:41.38 | PingFloyd | yeah -i can be 'hit enter' city |
| 06:41.50 | mhall | PingFloyd: yeah that's very popular [the term colors] at big un*x shops |
| 06:42.01 | Cyis | or just pipe the output of 'yes' to the command :) |
| 06:42.02 | mhall | PingFloyd: we had that on everything when i worked at verizon wireless for instance |
| 06:42.15 | mhall | PingFloyd: because if you rmed as the wrong user you lost irreplaceable billing data |
| 06:42.37 | mhall | PingFloyd: reason was, billing data streamed in every 5-30 min depending on device and backups only happened every 24 hrs |
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| 06:43.00 | mhall | PingFloyd: and devices can't keep backups so if you blew it away on our collector boxes you could easily delete $100000! |
| 06:43.11 | mhall | that's pretty damn scary, the thought of deleting $100000 |
| 06:43.16 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 06:43.24 | PingFloyd | seems like there's got to be a more full proof way |
| 06:43.29 | liable | no christmas bonus i would imagine |
| 06:43.34 | Cyis | yeah... think if I flushed that kinda cash away I'd shit a cinder block or three |
| 06:43.41 | mhall | liable: yeah, for your entire division! |
| 06:44.04 | PingFloyd | in that scenario, I would try to devise some system to where it allows being a space cadet |
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| 06:44.23 | mhall | PingFloyd: but then when there would be emergencies this would prevent fast response |
| 06:44.46 | mhall | PingFloyd: idiot proofed systems tend to only be used by idiots, then the idiots devise workarounds, then they fail for both experts and for idiots |
| 06:45.01 | PingFloyd | Windows is a good example of that |
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| 06:45.18 | PingFloyd | failing on both fronts by catering to lowest common denominator |
| 06:45.36 | PingFloyd | but one thing I like to do, is a keep a few user account for different tasks |
| 06:45.55 | PingFloyd | different common tasks |
| 06:46.03 | Cyis | I thought windows mantra was build an idiot proof system, we'll give you a better idiot |
| 06:47.02 | PingFloyd | the thing of it is though, is windows is very idiot vulnerable :) |
| 06:47.22 | PingFloyd | like how it requires root like privileges for some of the most mundane tasks lol |
| 06:47.26 | Cyis | you sure... I've seen it horked by some pretty good dumb asses |
| 06:47.29 | mhall | yeah and they can't crack down because of backward compatbility |
| 06:47.44 | mhall | Cyis: ? 22:47 < PingFloyd> the thing of it is though, is windows is very idiot vulnerable :) |
| 06:47.50 | mhall | Cyis: i think he agreed |
| 06:48.01 | Cyis | ok... mis-read that hten |
| 06:48.57 | PingFloyd | I think another part of it, is that it's like they've always been trying to make up for a way of approaching things that was flawed from the get go |
| 06:49.12 | PingFloyd | alot of lack of forethought in Windows |
| 06:49.25 | Guerin | how can you have a lot of a lack of something |
| 06:49.29 | Guerin | and BTW: |
| 06:49.31 | Guerin | !alot |
| 06:49.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 06:49.50 | wastrel | dpkg i think i love you |
| 06:49.59 | Guerin | !aww |
| 06:50.00 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 06:51.19 | mhall | PingFloyd: i fuckin hate backward compatibility sometimes |
| 06:51.24 | mhall | PingFloyd: that's what causes all the shit |
| 06:51.32 | alexander | im setting up X, but running into an odd error... X keeps crashing because of a "no core keyboard" error...??? i know this because i used the keyboard to view detailed output... |
| 06:51.36 | mhall | PingFloyd: dns is an ugly hack, i've been fucking dealing with all week |
| 06:51.41 | alexander | its a macbook pro |
| 06:51.54 | mhall | PingFloyd: took me 4 12 HOUR DAYS to make a GOD DAMN DUMMY DAEMON with ~1k lines of code |
| 06:52.01 | mhall | FUCK that FUCKING PROTOCOL to hell |
| 06:52.08 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 06:52.18 | mhall | they need to replace it YEARS ago |
| 06:52.27 | mhall | it does things in the most hopelessly fucked ways |
| 06:52.28 | mhall | blecch |
| 06:52.29 | Guerin | alexander: edit your xorg.conf, which is probably missing or has a broken section for that |
| 06:52.45 | mhall | alexander: conf file is probably fucked up |
| 06:52.48 | bingnet922 | help? How might I determine whether my 300+ processes are waiting for disk or IO? I'm guessing disk because of apparently constant HD activity. Excessive swapping? RAM 512 on this virtual machine, vdisk recently defragged. |
| 06:52.49 | Guerin | mhall: amen |
| 06:52.53 | Guerin | mhall: but it WORKS |
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| 06:54.31 | mhall | alexander: try http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/12339 |
| 06:54.41 | mhall | Guerin: dude that protocol is so very exploit friendly |
| 06:54.53 | mhall | Guerin: i couldn't even come up with ways to prevent OBVIOUS SPLOITS in mine |
| 06:55.01 | mhall | Guerin: and it's not like i'm a fuckin idiot either |
| 06:55.02 | bingnet922 | help? my load avg is 100+ |
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| 06:55.25 | mhall | Guerin: it has the ugliest, most hideous, most blasphemously FUCKED UP TLV ENCODING ever conceived by man |
| 06:55.36 | mhall | Guerin: make SNMP look downright intelligent and sensible by comparison |
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| 06:55.57 | mhall | needless to say now that i have it working i'm getting GOD DAMN DRUNK so i can wipe it from my brain |
| 06:56.16 | mhall | bingnet922: holy shit. holy holy holy shit. wtf did you do? |
| 06:56.18 | liable | your very load when you get drunk! |
| 06:56.19 | PingFloyd | it will always be haunting you in the back of your mind |
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| 06:56.30 | mhall | PingFloyd: asshole! :-D |
| 06:56.43 | mhall | liable: no it's not the alcohol |
| 06:56.48 | mhall | liable: it's DNS |
| 06:57.03 | mhall | Cyis: lol! |
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| 06:57.50 | Cyis | CPUs roastin on an open flame... |
| 06:58.11 | mhall | Cyis: nipping at jack frost's nose |
| 06:58.16 | Dicander | I tried to install the Realtek sound driver but it failed because "configure: error: this library requires a curses library" |
| 06:58.23 | lvalue | you mean DNA, not DNS, right? |
| 06:58.35 | mhall | Dicander: a) probably you don't want to install it |
| 06:58.46 | mhall | Dicander: b) you'd probably need libncurses-dev |
| 06:58.49 | liable | Dicander: libncurse5-dev |
| 06:58.55 | Guerin | mhall: good plan |
| 06:58.55 | mhall | Dicander: chances are the kernel should have it already |
| 06:58.59 | liable | Dicander: but thats a bit weird for a module |
| 06:59.00 | mhall | Dicander: what the hell kind of card |
| 06:59.02 | wastrel | DNA isn't a protocol as far as i'm aware |
| 06:59.12 | mhall | Guerin: cheers mate |
| 06:59.14 | Dicander | Realtek |
| 06:59.15 | Guerin | then again, it is NYE here |
| 06:59.27 | mhall | Guerin: i'm drinking a huge concentrated bourbon sour in your name |
| 06:59.34 | Guerin | and a few of my eejit freidns can't make it because they're too hung over from new year's eve eve |
| 06:59.42 | PingFloyd | DNA is the protocol of nature I believe |
| 06:59.43 | Guerin | mhall: ah, good for you! |
| 06:59.53 | Guerin | we just have outrageous quantities of beer and fizzy wine |
| 06:59.57 | mhall | lvalue: no, i mean DNS |
| 07:00.10 | mhall | lvalue: i had to write a DNS daemon and it was MISERABLE BEYOND BELIEF |
| 07:00.13 | mhall | yecch |
| 07:00.41 | mhall | blecch |
| 07:00.42 | mhall | *barf* |
| 07:00.42 | mhall | Guerin: can't; asthma |
| 07:00.43 | Guerin | but it cures asthma! peter tosh said so! |
| 07:00.45 | wastrel | why did you have to write it? |
| 07:00.48 | mhall | mhall->return(*spliff, &Guerin); |
| 07:00.55 | lvalue | btw, nobody seems to have answered my question.. tetex-bin and tetex-base get installed every time i do apt-get dist-upgrade. how do i permanently get rid of them ? |
| 07:01.02 | Guerin | light(spliff) |
| 07:01.15 | mhall | lvalue: hmm dpkg --get-selections | grep tex and see what's stuck on your box-- then purge it |
| 07:01.23 | Guerin | lvalue: aptitude remove tetex-bin tetex-base |
| 07:01.26 | mhall | lvalue: also make sure you haven't got a package depping against tex |
| 07:01.39 | Guerin | lvalue: this problem often happens when you mix apot-get and aptitude |
| 07:01.50 | mhall | Guerin: ah, might me a time for unmarkauto |
| 07:01.54 | mhall | be* |
| 07:02.02 | Guerin | texlive is the future, anyhow |
| 07:02.04 | lvalue | but if a package depends on what i'm removing.. it should be selected for removal aswell, isn't it ? |
| 07:02.12 | geet | what does dist-upgrade do? |
| 07:02.13 | mhall | wastrel: off the tangent and back to your question |
| 07:02.35 | Guerin | lvalue: yes, though apt-get and aptitude have differing state files |
| 07:02.37 | mhall | wastrel: i work at HP and i'm coding part of a system that looks at statistical samples of network traffic for unusual behavior |
| 07:02.41 | Guerin | geet: man apt-get |
| 07:02.47 | Guerin | geet: or man aptitude |
| 07:02.51 | mhall | wastrel: one of many features is a dns tunnel / dns covert channel detector |
| 07:02.59 | geet | thanks Guerin |
| 07:03.04 | Guerin | mhall: cool job |
| 07:03.12 | Dicander | On Realteks website there is a high definition audio codec listed as a driver. |
| 07:03.17 | Guerin | mhall: you must have been shit-hot in college |
| 07:03.17 | mhall | wastrel: in order to test our detection capability i need a highly controlled method of sending pathologically weird DNS packets |
| 07:03.30 | mhall | Guerin: combination of a couple factors |
| 07:03.38 | mhall | Guerin: 1) i'm not a moron |
| 07:03.46 | Guerin | mhall: that's a big plus, if true |
| 07:03.49 | mhall | Guerin: 2) i got recommended by a well respected alum working there |
| 07:04.04 | mhall | Guerin: 3) it's in a relatively remote part of ca.us that not many techies live at |
| 07:04.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:04.15 | Cyis | mhall: 'well respected alum' wouldn't be someone I might now would it :) |
| 07:04.16 | mhall | Guerin: 4) i made GREAT friends with the guy masterminding the product |
| 07:04.18 | Guerin | not mountain view, then |
| 07:04.26 | Guerin | nice |
| 07:04.28 | mhall | Cyis: i dunno, hard to say |
| 07:04.36 | EdwardElric | is anyone familiar with setting up fallback in grub on serge ? |
| 07:04.42 | Guerin | mhall: i take it you don't work in the same dept as greycat |
| 07:04.50 | Guerin | serge! |
| 07:04.53 | mhall | Guerin: the other thing which helps is, i know C C++ UNIX like the back of my hand |
| 07:05.08 | Guerin | mhall: because you us debian1 |
| 07:05.13 | liable | EdwardElric: sarges grub doesnt have the save-default app |
| 07:05.14 | EdwardElric | *sarge ;) |
| 07:05.15 | Guerin | debian ftw!11 |
| 07:05.28 | EdwardElric | yea, i noticed |
| 07:05.31 | mhall | Guerin: no everybody in my dept pretty much works in my building / campus, and i think greycat is a yay area kind of guy |
| 07:05.41 | wastrel | i know c c++ unix like the back of my head |
| 07:05.47 | Guerin | mhall: greycat lives in Ohio :) |
| 07:05.48 | mhall | Guerin: yeah, thank GOD you guys helped me in this channel back in 1997 |
| 07:05.53 | mhall | Guerin: d'oh |
| 07:06.01 | Guerin | mhall: not me, I started in here in late 2003 |
| 07:06.02 | EdwardElric | but the savedefault function alone works...it fails when i add fallback though |
| 07:06.10 | Cyis | deadcat is from the bay area though |
| 07:06.21 | EdwardElric | im also wondering where it saves the default too |
| 07:06.22 | Guerin | mm, he seems like he smokes too much dope |
| 07:06.25 | EdwardElric | what file i mean |
| 07:06.27 | liable | EdwardElric: i think you need that to use the fallback thing |
| 07:06.28 | mhall | Guerin: ahh, i mixed up greycat with deadcat_ |
| 07:06.31 | Guerin | dead, not grey cat |
| 07:06.43 | wastrel | i used to live in SF/Berkeley |
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| 07:06.46 | mhall | Cyis: thx for clearing that up |
| 07:06.49 | EdwardElric | ive been trying too....it isnt working |
| 07:06.57 | Guerin | i used to liev in whanganui |
| 07:07.01 | mhall | wastrel: i'm not a big fan of that area, i don't mix so well with the bay types |
| 07:07.03 | k-man | when building a raid array, do you have to use the whole disk in the array? or can you use part of the disk? |
| 07:07.05 | Cyis | I just moved from the bay area... lived in San Jose, Sunnyvale and Pittsburg... worked in Palo Alto |
| 07:07.06 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: sorry i had to go deal with a barfing daughter |
| 07:07.18 | grendal_prime | now...were were we... |
| 07:07.24 | Dicander | What is RHEL4 update 4 |
| 07:07.29 | mhall | wastrel: something about being a big loud, cheap / hard alcohol drinking atheist libertarian with a conservativistic economic policy tendency |
| 07:07.29 | Guerin | if you consider that nui means big, whanganui, or wanganui as it is also called, is a pretty decent town to come from |
| 07:07.30 | EdwardElric | im getting ready to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel remotely, so im testing the fallback on a vmware server... |
| 07:07.38 | EdwardElric | and it wont work for me |
| 07:07.39 | mhall | wastrel: that they can't quite handle |
| 07:07.49 | Guerin | fucking libertarians |
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| 07:07.57 | k-man | ie, if you had 2 x 320 gig drives and 2 x 250 drives, can you build an array of 4x250 gig + 2x70gig? |
| 07:07.59 | PingFloyd | Dicander: sounds like for Red Hat |
| 07:08.01 | Guerin | mhall: if you come to NZ, you'd best be prepared for some arguments |
| 07:08.02 | mhall | EdwardElric: hmm that's a tough one, vmware's not got the same HW as you |
| 07:08.03 | grendal_prime | ok, say ....my macchine here is 192.168.0.1 and the gateway im hitting is myserver.com and the machine on the other side is 192.168.0.2 |
| 07:08.09 | grendal_prime | there it was... |
| 07:08.10 | mhall | k-man: sure you can using SW raid |
| 07:08.15 | Dicander | Ah. Red hat Enterprise Linux of course. |
| 07:08.17 | EdwardElric | i know, but that isnt really the point |
| 07:08.18 | liable | k-man: you build them off the partitions, so yeah |
| 07:08.24 | EdwardElric | getting fallback to work is |
| 07:08.27 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: you umm still up to help me with that...or ...no.. |
| 07:08.31 | EdwardElric | it sure work in vmware too |
| 07:08.32 | mhall | Guerin: i thought libertarianism had gotten popular there since some big govt reform |
| 07:08.34 | wastrel | on the other side of what? |
| 07:08.34 | Guerin | no, it means Red Hate Eejit Linux |
| 07:08.41 | mhall | EdwardElric: why do you need it anyway |
| 07:08.42 | k-man | liable, ah, so you just make partitions and them add those partitions to the array? |
| 07:08.43 | liable | EdwardElric: sarges lilo can do it afaik |
| 07:08.50 | liable | k-man: yeah |
| 07:08.55 | k-man | ah |
| 07:08.56 | k-man | thakns |
| 07:08.58 | EdwardElric | because, i dont want my system to hang lol |
| 07:08.59 | Guerin | mhall: not really. It's the lunatic fringe everywhere, only libertrians don't recognise the fact. |
| 07:09.01 | k-man | got it now |
| 07:09.02 | mhall | k-man: yeah once you have got the partitions right the rest is a nobrainer |
| 07:09.06 | grendal_prime | what is all there werid ass talk of lilo? what the hell people |
| 07:09.07 | PingFloyd | wastrel: something about being a big loud, cheap / hard alcohol drinking atheist libertarian with a conservativistic economic policy tendency <- weren't those called yuppies back in the day? |
| 07:09.14 | EdwardElric | if for some reason the upgrade is sour, i want back in ;) |
| 07:09.15 | mhall | EdwardElric: *not* fallback, asshat! the new kernel. lol! ;-) |
| 07:09.20 | Guerin | mhall: there is a libertariansz party here, in NZ; consistently earns <1% of the vote |
| 07:09.22 | grendal_prime | wait a min ...is it sunday or something? |
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| 07:09.35 | Guerin | grendal_prime: in NZ/AU it is |
| 07:09.35 | liable | tis here |
| 07:09.38 | EdwardElric | im worried about my SATA drive actually |
| 07:09.50 | EdwardElric | ive read others had trouble there with 2.6 |
| 07:09.56 | mhall | Guerin: about all i can say to that is, i'm not liked by many libertarians |
| 07:10.09 | Guerin | mhall: well, there's a badge of honour |
| 07:10.11 | mhall | Guerin: i kind of paint outside the lines even for libertarians |
| 07:10.31 | mhall | PingFloyd: no, yuppies are very authoritarian |
| 07:10.36 | grendal_prime | mhall: must own a rocketlauncher |
| 07:10.40 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:10.42 | mhall | PingFloyd: they want the cops to get worried over every fit fart and freckle |
| 07:10.51 | Cyis | grendal_prime: nah... just the codes to the missle silos :) |
| 07:10.52 | mhall | grendal_prime: more like plasma cannon but hey who's counting ;-) |
| 07:10.56 | PingFloyd | that's true |
| 07:11.16 | PingFloyd | mhall: and only there fit fart and nobody else's |
| 07:11.26 | PingFloyd | s/there/their |
| 07:11.31 | mhall | PingFloyd: yuppie means you want to be able to do everything you want, and you want everybody else to be able to do what you want, also |
| 07:11.34 | grendal_prime | you will never know how many weapons i own..i scatter them..i ask libertarians to hold them for me.. |
| 07:11.34 | mhall | PingFloyd: hehe |
| 07:11.51 | mhall | grendal_prime: so your weapons cache is grendal_composite |
| 07:11.54 | mhall | grendal_prime: ironic |
| 07:12.14 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:12.22 | Cyis | grendal_prime: better libertarians than republicans :) |
| 07:12.29 | grendal_prime | no shit there |
| 07:12.37 | mhall | i wish picking up chicks was as simple as it is to get massively intoxicated |
| 07:12.41 | mhall | if so i'd be in like flint |
| 07:12.54 | EdwardElric | so if i can get fallback working on vmware, then set it up the same on the remote system...i wont be so nervous about rebooting with the new kernel in place |
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| 07:13.01 | mhall | instead i'm in like flint michigan... i.e. out. down and out! |
| 07:13.05 | Guerin | mhall: stop trying to pick up chicks and try to pick up A chick, and keep her |
| 07:13.11 | bingnet922 | mhall: I'm not sure what I did to get a load avg > 100, but it's going down real slow. |
| 07:13.18 | mhall | Guerin: am working on that |
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| 07:13.20 | Cyis | mhall: and didn't he try running for Govenor with everyone else, including the stripper ;) |
| 07:13.23 | bingnet922 | CPU wa = 50% |
| 07:13.25 | mhall | bingnet922: hmm maybe run top and see wtf is the matter |
| 07:13.27 | grendal_prime | livertarians just crack me up...it matters not what i believe i just throw a gun into the mix and swear to defend my writes tell i they pry the thing out of my hands..and i got an army behind me. |
| 07:13.30 | PingFloyd | instead, let the chicks pick you up |
| 07:13.31 | mhall | Cyis: flynt** |
| 07:13.43 | bingnet922 | mhall: I'm looking at it. What am I looking for? |
| 07:14.05 | Gge | In Etch , which command to run snort : /etc/init.d/snort or /usr/sbin/snort ? |
| 07:14.08 | mhall | bingnet922: bizarre processes with huge %CPU or %MEM |
| 07:14.13 | itchi | bingnet922: Did you run a super fantastic command? |
| 07:14.18 | mhall | bingnet922: or gigantic amts in the time column |
| 07:14.26 | itchi | bingnet922: There are some trick to get your system sucked |
| 07:14.30 | bingnet922 | mhall: now CPU wa = 65%, waiting for disk I thnk, nope, just numerous sleeping procs, >200 still |
| 07:14.38 | Guerin | grendal_prime: livertarians~ unite against the evil kidneyists! |
| 07:14.43 | mhall | bingnet922: what the hell are they |
| 07:14.50 | bingnet922 | mhall: clamscan mostly |
| 07:15.02 | Cyis | haha.. av scanning for the kil |
| 07:15.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:15.03 | liable | Gge: if it has an init script, start it from that |
| 07:15.12 | bingnet922 | mhall: the biggest time is "kblockd/0" |
| 07:15.14 | Guerin | clamav is a hella cpu/ram freak |
| 07:15.25 | Guerin | if you have too little ram, your swap will go insane |
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| 07:15.40 | bingnet922 | Guerin: I have 512 and about 15 mail users |
| 07:15.49 | bingnet922 | Guerin: with LOTS of spam |
| 07:15.53 | Cyis | best option... don't run Windows and thus don't worry about virii |
| 07:16.02 | Gge | liable , yes in init.d there is a script |
| 07:16.05 | Guerin | bingnet922: implement greylisting and watch your box go to 0 load |
| 07:16.15 | Guerin | or maybe 5% |
| 07:16.18 | bingnet922 | Guerin: OK. Eh? |
| 07:16.20 | Cyis | bingnet922: then tier your scans and put a greylist daemon before the AV scan... |
| 07:16.24 | mhall | bingnet922: ps auxww | awk '{ print $11; }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 07:16.26 | Guerin | !greylisting |
| 07:16.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, greylisting is a new method of blocking significant amounts of spam at the mailserver level, but without resorting to heavyweight statistical analysis or other heuristical (and error-prone) approaches |
| 07:16.43 | mhall | bingnet922: that'll tell you if a huge amount of one kind of proc are running |
| 07:16.45 | Cyis | run high process utilization tests at the end of a list rather than beginning... |
| 07:16.48 | grendal_prime | clamav? you have to run the daemon...it spawns off processes it doesa pretty damn good job on just a pent 200 |
| 07:16.52 | Guerin | bingnet922: seriously. My spam load went from 90+% to a few dozen messages a week |
| 07:17.01 | grendal_prime | even with pyzer and razor |
| 07:17.05 | mhall | bingnet922: virus scan is obviously gonna be hugely hungry of CPU and IO |
| 07:17.25 | grendal_prime | wich really clean the shit out of mail..i filer 400 to 1 with that setup.. |
| 07:17.25 | Cyis | Guerin: About the same result I had 90+% drop... but then I moved to an out-sourced mail hosting site and lost my greylisting ... |
| 07:17.55 | bingnet922 | mhall: I need to disable it at least for now, but how? Will mail still be delivered if I disable clam? |
| 07:18.07 | mhall | bingnet922: i'm not sure what the hell your config is |
| 07:18.21 | bingnet922 | mhall: how about changing the procmailrc so it doesn't look for clam? |
| 07:18.24 | Cyis | bingnet922: probably have to disable the av scan in your mail config |
| 07:18.30 | mhall | bingnet922: i'm with Cyis |
| 07:18.44 | grendal_prime | you should look at procmail |
| 07:18.54 | grendal_prime | its probably doing the manhandleing.. |
| 07:18.59 | mhall | bingnet922: you could also try something sneaky like making clam a symlink to /bin/true temporaribly ;-) |
| 07:19.01 | grendal_prime | of the mail that is.. |
| 07:19.32 | mhall | bingnet922: or the cannonball into the anthill approach... fgrep -ir clamav /etc/* |
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| 07:20.09 | Cyis | I had my system first run through a greylist... then DNS blacklists... then spamassassin... and finally through an AV scanner before delivery |
| 07:21.03 | grendal_prime | usually the way that works is..procmail hand the mail to clamav then what is not a virus gets handed to spamassassin spamassissin marks the headder spam or not then passes back to procmail and procmail aces it...moves it or puts it in the users mail que |
| 07:21.03 | Cyis | had that running under a virtual host machine with limit RAM and never had a problem |
| 07:21.09 | bingnet922 | mhall: I ran that awk, what does it tell me? |
| 07:21.21 | bingnet922 | mhall: oh , isee your post now |
| 07:21.22 | mhall | bingnet922: most common processes on the box |
| 07:21.34 | mhall | bingnet922: so if something started up a lot of copies of itself |
| 07:21.55 | bingnet922 | mhall: smtpd has 56, next is local with 37, then clamscan with 30 |
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| 07:21.56 | mhall | bingnet922: you'd generally see it there... btw when your system isn't fucked and you have time learn awk and/or perl |
| 07:22.11 | mhall | bingnet922: ok you have 56 smtpds, 37 local delivery daemons, and 30 clams |
| 07:22.18 | bingnet922 | mhall: most of the smtpd are defunct. I set the limit to 10 a few days ago trying to fix this problem. |
| 07:22.22 | mhall | bingnet922: probably not good unless you have a $10000 box |
| 07:22.26 | Cyis | bingnet922: a 'killall -TERM clamscan' might kill the existing processes |
| 07:23.02 | mhall | bingnet922: you can use a command like lsof -n to see what sockets are open |
| 07:23.07 | Cyis | if the scan fails then the mail process should treat as a temporary failure |
| 07:23.21 | mhall | bingnet922: and if you find some IPs who are pounding you, consider using /etc/hosts.deny (which has a manpage) |
| 07:23.30 | mhall | bingnet922: that way you could shut them out until it calms down |
| 07:24.25 | mhall | bingnet922: beyond that, in the long term, consider graylisting, optimizing performance of your mail config + disks, more memory, and a firewall architecture which autobans retarded IPs who are doing odd stuff to you |
| 07:24.34 | bingnet922 | mhall: I tried killall smtpd but the procs were not affected. |
| 07:24.38 | mhall | bingnet922: all of these are within a google or two when you have a linux box |
| 07:24.45 | mhall | bingnet922: you can't kill defuncts |
| 07:24.57 | mhall | !+defunct |
| 07:24.57 | bingnet922 | mhall: they are mostly defunct anyway, so shouldn't be using resources |
| 07:24.57 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 07:25.40 | bingnet922 | mhall: good stuff, ty. |
| 07:25.40 | Cyis | bingnet922: My advice... shutdown the mail server daemon completely... let the system recover while you disable clamscan... then when the system is at a reasonable state then restart mail daemon |
| 07:25.58 | bingnet922 | mhall: that's postfix? |
| 07:26.20 | bingnet922 | Cyis: that's postfix? |
| 07:26.25 | Cyis | bingnet922: postfix, sendmail, qmail or exim... whichever you're using |
| 07:26.35 | bingnet922 | Cyis: ty. |
| 07:27.17 | Cyis | bingnet922: even with your mail server down you shouldn't lose any mail permanently as mail retries to send every so many hours for up to a few days |
| 07:27.53 | bingnet922 | Cyis: I stopped postfix w/ init.d and the load went to zero |
| 07:28.17 | Cyis | bingnet922: that should atleast make the system usable while you disable clamscan |
| 07:28.19 | mhall | Cyis: yay RFCs!!!! |
| 07:28.44 | mhall | Cyis: although the sytem should be pretty responsive if you have 2.6, it gives priority to user IO |
| 07:29.10 | mhall | Cyis: plus scheduling is O(1) so linux can handle ~500000 threads per CPU |
| 07:29.27 | mhall | Cyis: back on Solaris 9 i could only do about ~120 per CPU before i fucked the box |
| 07:29.27 | Cyis | mhall: I've had high load avg machines still handle like a dog for me until I shutdown and offending rogue process |
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| 07:29.38 | lvalue | mhall, dpkg --get-selections | grep tex .. i get nothing remotely related to the tetex backage.. how do i know which package makes the tetex to get installed on dist-upgrade? I'm getting aggravated already, because every time i do dist-upgrade i need to remove the tetex packages just after it |
| 07:29.43 | bingnet922 | Cyis: that sounds like a lot. now authdaemond.plain is top dog with 6 procs |
| 07:30.12 | mhall | lvalue: hmm let me write you an awk, hold on |
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| 07:30.28 | Cyis | bingnet922: but what's the load? number or procs isn't a problem so much as load |
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| 07:33.00 | Cyis | mhall: something like this? dpkg --get-selections |grep -i tetex |awk '{print $1}' |xargs aptitude purge |
| 07:33.34 | bingnet922 | Cyis: load avg is .06,8.5,37 |
| 07:33.47 | Cyis | bingnet922: that's coming down then... |
| 07:33.48 | bingnet922 | Cyis: going down fast it was |
| 07:33.48 | jooopyme | Hi, If I need a stable server, should I install atch? |
| 07:34.24 | bingnet922 | Cyis: let me ask YOU, I heard CentOS would be superior to my deb sarge for mail server. |
| 07:34.46 | mhall | Cyis: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | gawk '{ RS = ""; FS = "\n"; } ($2 ~ /install ok installed/) { print $1; } /^Depends/ { print $0; }' | grep tex |
| 07:34.57 | mhall | lvalue: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | gawk '{ RS = ""; FS = "\n"; } ($2 ~ /install ok installed/) { print $1; } /^Depends/ { print $0; }' | grep tex |
| 07:35.19 | mhall | lvalue: that's not perfect, hold on one sec |
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| 07:35.51 | byte_ | could i have some help? |
| 07:35.58 | Cyis | bingnet922: couldn't say... Haven't had a need to even try CentOS... Debian's all I've used for my mail servers both personally and corporately |
| 07:36.07 | Cyis | byte_: I don't know... can you? |
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| 07:36.23 | byte_ | well, whenever i install Debian |
| 07:36.27 | byte_ | Xserver |
| 07:36.32 | byte_ | has a problem with my mouse |
| 07:36.34 | medc | guys how do i do to watch wmv files???? |
| 07:36.36 | byte_ | i dont know what to set it was |
| 07:36.42 | byte_ | as* |
| 07:36.44 | byte_ | in the configuration |
| 07:36.48 | PingFloyd | medc: need the right codec |
| 07:36.48 | byte_ | its a laptop touchpad |
| 07:37.19 | medc | PingFloyd, which one? |
| 07:37.20 | liable | medc: you need w32codecs debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:38.07 | mhall | lvalue: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | gawk '{ RS = ""; FS = "\n"; } ($2 ~ /install ok installed/) { package = $1; } /^Depends/ { if ($0 ~ /tex/) print package $0; }' |
| 07:38.11 | byte_ | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:38.17 | mhall | !tell byte_ about ask to ask |
| 07:38.35 | mhall | !+bloody sunday |
| 07:38.36 | liable | byte_: ps/2 and /dev/psaux |
| 07:38.47 | byte_ | liable, ty :) |
| 07:39.10 | mhall | medc: you'll want xine, from debian, and mplayer from the debian-multimedia archive |
| 07:39.21 | mhall | medc: then you'll want the full codec pack from mplayerhq.hu |
| 07:39.38 | mhall | !tell medc about debian-multimedia |
| 07:39.41 | Cyis | day 2 of "Introduce a new cat to the family and listen to the two old cats hiss" |
| 07:39.50 | liable | mhall: the debian multimedia site has w32codecs |
| 07:39.55 | mhall | Cyis: oh dude we're on month 5 of that and it's STILL happening |
| 07:40.00 | mhall | liable: oh oops i'm retarded |
| 07:40.05 | mhall | liable: explain to medc please =) |
| 07:40.11 | liable | mhall: i did :) |
| 07:40.32 | lvalue | mhall, yeah.. basically the same packages as from the dpkg -get-selections :/ I should probably first try to install the tetex things and then try to match dependencies.. |
| 07:40.46 | Cyis | mhall: our oldest (Frisky) did it to Lotta when we brought her home... 2 weeks later they're best buds... |
| 07:41.10 | mhall | Cyis: ours are a bunch of prissy fuckers |
| 07:41.11 | PingFloyd | it's like watching women huh |
| 07:41.17 | mhall | Cyis: and the young one is very crass |
| 07:41.24 | mhall | PingFloyd: maybe in an islamic family |
| 07:41.32 | Cyis | mhall: and Rudolph is no older than Lotta was when we introduce her to Frisky |
| 07:41.33 | mhall | Cyis: so it's not going well at all |
| 07:41.58 | Cyis | Frisky is around 14, Lotta is around 2 or 3 and Rudolph is 6 months |
| 07:42.00 | mhall | lvalue: hmm, maybe it's because you're an lvalue and the command only works right on rvalues |
| 07:42.19 | lvalue | i knew it.. |
| 07:42.22 | mhall | lvalue: actually i suggest playing with the command and seeing if i made an error |
| 07:42.23 | grendal_prime | by the way clamscan is awful, it does chew the shit out of your resources.. |
| 07:42.35 | mhall | grendal_prime: so does EVERY virus scanner |
| 07:42.39 | mhall | grendal_prime: and Snort IDS |
| 07:42.42 | jooopyme | Is atch is testing now? |
| 07:42.43 | lvalue | mhall, i played already, i got your idea |
| 07:42.46 | Cyis | any virus scanner is a resource killer |
| 07:43.00 | Cyis | that's why it should be your last test if you have to have one running |
| 07:43.05 | grendal_prime | its good on a single user situation...like your personal machine but if you have like 60 users it will kill a box |
| 07:43.08 | mhall | grendal_prime: you have to scan every byte with Aho Corasick and the real advanced ones run the executables files in a VM |
| 07:43.32 | mhall | grendal_prime: duh dude, i am doing work on a hardware accelerated antivirus scanner |
| 07:43.34 | grendal_prime | ive had pretty good luch with clamd. |
| 07:43.42 | lvalue | it seems i would really need to sacrifice a goat to get those packages removed once and for all |
| 07:43.45 | grendal_prime | luck that is |
| 07:43.48 | mhall | grendal_prime: without hardware ASICs you get at most 400 megabits on x86 platform when scanning network traffic |
| 07:44.12 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 07:44.22 | grendal_prime | 400 megabits of what? |
| 07:44.26 | mhall | grendal_prime: virus scanning |
| 07:44.44 | mhall | and that's *network* with no disk I/O and no other stuff running |
| 07:44.59 | mhall | grendal_prime: and that's using more efficient scanners and signature files than just clam |
| 07:44.59 | grendal_prime | 400 megabits of email? |
| 07:45.03 | mhall | grendal_prime: doesn't matter |
| 07:45.08 | mhall | grendal_prime: 400 megabits of anything |
| 07:45.09 | SerajewelKS | amuses me how much work people put into setting up virus scanners instead of using a secure OS :) |
| 07:45.10 | medc | mhall, i add to my source list ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ and when i do aptitude update i got this...Malformed line 12/couldnt read list |
| 07:45.15 | Cyis | well wife just reminded me it's nearly 3am now... |
| 07:45.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: don't get me started |
| 07:45.23 | mhall | medc: yeah cause that's broken |
| 07:45.30 | mhall | Cyis: lol hah |
| 07:45.40 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i don't think i need to get you started, sounds like we agree |
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| 07:45.47 | medc | mhall, what can i do? |
| 07:45.54 | mhall | medc: fix it :-D |
| 07:46.05 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: i agree..i had to set one up for the complany i use to work for.. |
| 07:46.08 | mhall | SerajewelKS: dude believe me, i work ~60-80 hrs a week on network security |
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| 07:46.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i'm already angry and combative enough for 5 of us |
| 07:46.24 | medc | mhall, i add this to my source list at the botton deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat |
| 07:46.29 | liable | mhall: nerim doesnt host the site anymore afaik anyway. |
| 07:46.32 | medc | thats right? |
| 07:46.32 | mhall | SerajewelKS: plus i'm outrageously drunk |
| 07:46.32 | liable | medc: ^^^ |
| 07:46.41 | mhall | liable: yeah it moved to debian-multimedia |
| 07:46.45 | SerajewelKS | mhall: sounds like an explosive combination |
| 07:46.47 | mhall | !+debian-multimedia |
| 07:46.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 07:46.53 | liable | \mand you missed the sarge/etch/sid bit |
| 07:46.55 | medc | liable, yes? |
| 07:47.03 | mhall | SerajewelKS: no effin kidding |
| 07:47.13 | SerajewelKS | i used to work the helpdesk at my university... viruses spyware and shit |
| 07:47.20 | SerajewelKS | very happy to be working development now |
| 07:47.41 | mhall | SerajewelKS: please tell me you at least ubuntuized one person |
| 07:47.48 | jooopyme | what is the state of etch? When it will become stable? |
| 07:47.50 | medc | <marillat.etch> |
| 07:47.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i have two people running debian, partially |
| 07:47.58 | grendal_prime | the amount of time our users sepent on sorting out spam was amazing...hours of wasted time, daily. |
| 07:48.08 | medc | <marillat.etch>? |
| 07:48.09 | SerajewelKS | mhall: wait, three |
| 07:48.34 | SerajewelKS | mhall: one can't use debian because his nic and sata controller aren't supported, so he uses another box and VNCs to it |
| 07:48.53 | PingFloyd | working at a helpdesk wouldn't be so bad, if more users had the basic competancy to listen |
| 07:48.55 | Cyis | !mariallat.etch |
| 07:49.01 | medc | marillat.etch? |
| 07:49.04 | Cyis | !marillat.etch |
| 07:49.05 | dpkg | first, ask me about <marillat key>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) to add the marillat repository |
| 07:49.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: the other two have dual boot set up and use windows primarily, but are smart enough to know what they're doing (one of them also works helpdesk) |
| 07:49.08 | mhall | PingFloyd: not gonna happen |
| 07:49.08 | medc | !marillat.etch |
| 07:49.13 | PingFloyd | I know |
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| 07:49.26 | medc | !marillat key |
| 07:49.27 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 07:49.33 | SerajewelKS | mhall: and for database class i implemented my project in mono and did a presentation on it |
| 07:49.37 | PingFloyd | more time is spent trying to keep their 5 second attention span than actually working the problem |
| 07:49.44 | mhall | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 07:49.48 | mhall | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 07:49.53 | mhall | SerajewelKS: dude awesome |
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| 07:50.01 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i've used mono a little bit and it's NICE |
| 07:50.03 | Cyis | well I'm heading off to bed... |
| 07:50.05 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: you have that presentation handy? |
| 07:50.15 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: all five slides yes :) |
| 07:50.20 | grendal_prime | i would love to get our dev people looking into mono |
| 07:50.21 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i love the compatibility api, pointers, and delegates |
| 07:50.37 | SerajewelKS | mhall: yes it's nice. the professor was quite impressed that it worked. |
| 07:50.38 | medc | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 07:50.38 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 07:50.39 | grendal_prime | get there production boxes off of windows. its werid |
| 07:50.39 | mhall | grendal_prime: it's a no brainer once you used C# before |
| 07:50.51 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah for some bizarre reason nobody believes in mono |
| 07:51.09 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but it's seriously more hardcore in its infancy than the highly evolved Java JDK / JRE |
| 07:51.16 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i compiled a console app with mono and copied it to a windows box and ran it, then compiled it with vs.net and copied it to the linux box and ran it there. he almost shat his pants. |
| 07:51.33 | grendal_prime | if i could set one up and get it working ...for the dev people, that would be great, i dont know anything about c# though |
| 07:51.34 | mhall | SerajewelKS: which is pretty much, imho, ridiculous and proof sun is retarded in their non-opensource philosophy |
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| 07:51.38 | SerajewelKS | mhall: he's not too bright :) |
| 07:51.49 | mhall | SerajewelKS: best of all is, i believ mono just dealt with windows.forms and ASPX |
| 07:52.02 | jooopyme | If I install etch, when it become stable, the installation will be the same if I upgrade the changes everyday? |
| 07:52.16 | SerajewelKS | mhall: pretty much all my projects i do in c# now, gtk# etc |
| 07:52.16 | liable | jooopyme: yes |
| 07:52.18 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ASPX is incredibly fucking cool webdev language, probably the only one i'd ever use right now, so i'm thinking i might learn to use mono's ASPX soon |
| 07:52.33 | SerajewelKS | mhall: aspx still confuses me, i prefer php :) |
| 07:52.39 | grendal_prime | aspx... |
| 07:52.41 | grendal_prime | jesus |
| 07:52.49 | grendal_prime | php all the damn way |
| 07:52.56 | mhall | SerajewelKS: it's mighty highlevel compared to the other web languages, takes a while to figure out |
| 07:53.03 | mhall | but it does a lot more for you than PHP can |
| 07:53.05 | SerajewelKS | mhall: aspx is like... let's make a webdev language that doesn't act like a webdev language. confusing as shit. |
| 07:53.07 | grendal_prime | i write things in php that make aspx look like total crap. |
| 07:53.31 | mhall | grendal_prime: more like you write things in php that make crappy aspx look like total crap |
| 07:53.46 | grendal_prime | i agree SerajewelKS aspx..it looks to me alot like the old dhtml.. |
| 07:53.50 | SerajewelKS | mhall: if you like aspx more power to you, but i can't stomach it |
| 07:53.52 | mhall | grendal_prime: most webdev people write bad code, kind of like physicists |
| 07:53.53 | grendal_prime | ajax..all that shit..its the same thing |
| 07:54.04 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: oh now ajax, that's cool shit |
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| 07:54.15 | grendal_prime | i wite good php code.. |
| 07:54.21 | mhall | ajax, you can get around it with a Java library that generates all the XML in the backend with serialization |
| 07:54.49 | SerajewelKS | mhall: or you can use System.Xml.XmlTextWriter :) |
| 07:54.51 | mhall | grendal_prime: my point wasn't that you wrote bad php but that most people write bad aspx, hence skewing your comparison |
| 07:54.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah same principle |
| 07:55.02 | grendal_prime | i get sick of seeing these apps with simple exploits..its sickening...they are always working so hard at presentaion..security and funtionality get tossed everytime |
| 07:55.19 | mhall | grendal_prime: duh, it's all about profit vs. loss |
| 07:56.01 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: i try to write decent php, i don't think i'm a great php coder but i can outcode a lot of people. which doesn't say that much about me, more about them. :) |
| 07:56.11 | grendal_prime | ive written pasing apps that work with php. and i love the phpcli..that frigging rocks! |
| 07:56.15 | medc | mhall, i did everything and i still can watch the wmv files |
| 07:56.26 | PingFloyd | what loss for them? poor functionality and security usually seems like an opportunity for them sell more spoon fulls |
| 07:56.27 | grendal_prime | parsing that is |
| 07:56.47 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: meh, cli php is like perl-qt. ugh. |
| 07:56.54 | mhall | medc: good, go watch em then ;-) |
| 07:57.04 | medc | mhall, i did everything and i still cant watch the wmv files |
| 07:57.09 | pab | Crap....is there a channel specifically for DEBIAN noobs? |
| 07:57.14 | mhall | medc: well we'll need more detail |
| 07:57.14 | grendal_prime | medc: you install w32codecs? |
| 07:57.19 | mhall | pab: /dev/null ? ;-) |
| 07:57.24 | liable | pab: this is it |
| 07:57.44 | mhall | PingFloyd: well said. well fuckin said. |
| 07:57.50 | SerajewelKS | though i have to say that c# has made my c-foo weak |
| 07:58.06 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i had that same problem writing a MOTHERFUCKING DNS SERVER |
| 07:58.15 | mhall | SerajewelKS: at least i'm a God at JNI |
| 07:58.25 | SerajewelKS | mhall: don't get me started with jni :) |
| 07:58.27 | mhall | SerajewelKS: just got done using JNI to write a raw ICMP library |
| 07:58.31 | icicled | hey itchi, i got it installed =] |
| 07:58.43 | liable | pab: #debian isnt usually like this (discussing coding, i blame mhall for it!) |
| 07:59.05 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i'm not sure why you would native when you can [DllImport] extern |
| 07:59.11 | grendal_prime | ive looked at ruby on rails that looks kinda cool |
| 07:59.13 | SerajewelKS | mhall: and have all the types marshalled for you :) |
| 07:59.16 | pab | liable: thx! |
| 07:59.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: return env->NewObject(serajewelComprehensionExceptionCtorID, env->NewStringUTF("too fucking bad man")); |
| 07:59.42 | mhall | SerajewelKS: the reason you would is, you have 1.6 million lines of Sun Java |
| 07:59.47 | pab | liable: I do appreciate that... |
| 07:59.48 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and Sun is fucking retarded |
| 07:59.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: exactly |
| 07:59.54 | mhall | SerajewelKS: other than that, you wouldn't |
| 07:59.58 | PingFloyd | and it keeps on working for them since your average consumer is so programmed into thinking by those conventions. So many just don't get the concept of FOSS |
| 07:59.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: lol! |
| 08:00.04 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: what about ajax did you like? |
| 08:00.18 | grendal_prime | and do you remember dhtml? |
| 08:00.35 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: it's nice when developing sidebar widgets that need to update in realtime.. independently of each other |
| 08:00.49 | mhall | liable: i'm a fuckin grumpy discontented drunk redneck bastard with many axes to grind |
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| 08:01.01 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: dhtml is basically ajax without the "a" and "ax" |
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| 08:01.34 | mhall | SerajewelKS: in other words, remove everything comprehensible and useful from ajax, and you get dhtml |
| 08:01.36 | liable | mhall: i noticed, and you have a wonderfull way of getting #debian to help you grind those axes :P |
| 08:01.37 | mhall | SerajewelKS: way to go w3! |
| 08:01.45 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: i used ajax to develop a widget for a radio station that shows what's playing on the air |
| 08:01.52 | mhall | liable: christ almighty you aren't kidding |
| 08:02.02 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: refreshing the whole page would not be a good way to do that |
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| 08:02.22 | mhall | liable: i'm a real pro at that, must be cause i'm oldschool, a smidgen literate, and very much always spewing prodiguously when in channel |
| 08:02.26 | grendal_prime | hehe..i hated dhtml when i started to see ajax apps ...i just started thinking ...oh christ here we go again. |
| 08:02.53 | liable | mhall: i dont know what it is, but, yes, you seem to do it often when you are the channel.. |
| 08:03.10 | mhall | liable: i used to make a much more positive contribution |
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| 08:03.33 | liable | lol, yeah, like mhallsmites! |
| 08:03.38 | mhall | liable: until some unfortunate political incidents substantially decreased my contribution from helping users at all hours to two specific goals |
| 08:03.40 | PingFloyd | it's more fun to grind axes |
| 08:03.48 | EdwardElric | updating to grub .97 from the GNU ftp site solved my problems |
| 08:03.58 | mhall | liable: 1) getting help when COMPLETELY STUMPED beyond google's abilities |
| 08:03.59 | SerajewelKS | ajax can be quite useful... you get cool effects in the client and cut your bandwidth usage maybe to 1/100 |
| 08:04.08 | mhall | liable: 2) venting when drunk or pissed or drunk and pissed |
| 08:04.15 | mhall | liable: other than that i'm never here anymore |
| 08:04.25 | SerajewelKS | and you can use noscript to degrade |
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| 08:05.11 | PingFloyd | yeah, it seems like my problems never seem anywhere to be found on google |
| 08:05.20 | liable | mhall: noticed, mostly option 2! :) |
| 08:05.50 | SerajewelKS | PingFloyd: or like in my case, i can create problems that are hard to put into keywords :) |
| 08:06.04 | PingFloyd | yeah, that too |
| 08:06.32 | mhall | liable: that's because i have most of the POSIX API and application space memorized already |
| 08:06.55 | SerajewelKS | those are the worst... the problems whose only keywords seem to be "it" "the" and "run" |
| 08:06.56 | mhall | liable: so there is VERY VERY little i can't figure out especially because most of my work these days for 60-80 hrs a week is on Java and C++ for windows |
| 08:07.14 | EdwardElric | fallback now works perfectly...which makes me wonder why team debian doesnt mark grub 0.97 as stable ;) |
| 08:07.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: agreed, those are why IRC is a godsend |
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| 08:07.47 | SerajewelKS | mhall: if nothing else people can suggest better keywords :) |
| 08:08.01 | PingFloyd | yeah, or a site they found |
| 08:08.24 | PingFloyd | I am always finding links to sites I somehow never ran into from here |
| 08:08.42 | PingFloyd | same thing on forums |
| 08:08.49 | pab | I visited the kde site and they refered me back here as a package managment issue. kcontrol and kinfo items have been thrown into lost and found on the menu. Can I apt-get remove then reinstall without borking my system? |
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| 08:09.33 | PingFloyd | pab: I don't know, but my first question is what prompted it? |
| 08:09.37 | liable | pab: sure, though its unlikely to fix the problem |
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| 08:09.57 | liable | pab: try update-menus |
| 08:10.05 | pab | PingFloyd: I installed kde |
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| 08:12.34 | pab | It happened with a fresh install of kde in etch. |
| 08:14.55 | pab | I suppose I could go to my good install and check each program so I can reassign the program to the applet? |
| 08:15.15 | liable | pab: check bugs.debian.org |
| 08:15.33 | liable | pab: did you install from the net or cd? have you upgraded? |
| 08:16.24 | pab | liable: always do a net install. I will check out bugs. Thx |
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| 08:26.04 | liable | bring back mhall! even though i dont understand anything he says :) |
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| 08:26.26 | pab | liable: hmm...I guess this going to take some time. I thank you for your effort! |
| 08:26.37 | Dewi | Is growing an XFS filesystem under LVM2 a complex operation? Or is it a simple, quick, rewriting of boundaries? |
| 08:26.55 | Dewi | I am used to the old world of FAT where growing a filesys took hours... |
| 08:27.14 | liable | pab: found nothing interesting on the bts? i wouldnt worry so much about them, they are still accesible |
| 08:28.01 | pab | liable: True....just damn annoying |
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| 08:38.41 | acu | greetings and Happy New Year 2007! |
| 08:40.13 | acu | question - is it possible to allow multiple users to be loged simultaneously - and have GUI |
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| 08:40.50 | sybec | Hello |
| 08:41.07 | dondelelcaro | acu: if you've got multiple video cards, keyboards and mice, yes. |
| 08:41.13 | dondelelcaro | acu: but it's generally not done much |
| 08:41.23 | dondelelcaro | (machines are so cheap that it's kind of silly) |
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| 08:42.10 | SubStack | acu: with X forwarding? |
| 08:42.35 | acu | dondelecaro: I was thinking like tightvnc or something remote - temporarily - I am thinking for a Bioinformatics course - first lectures will be to show the tools - then the students will install the software in their laptops |
| 08:42.51 | acu | SubStack: OK, i have to read about that |
| 08:43.04 | dondelelcaro | acu: you mean in lecture? or to help them remotely? |
| 08:43.39 | dondelelcaro | acu: if I was doing it in lecture (which I do from time to time) I use two laptops, one which displays the slides, the other which is set up to do demos (and record what is going on on the screen) |
| 08:43.54 | acu | dondelcaro: no after the lecture - they will have a chance to see and test the applications |
| 08:44.12 | dondelelcaro | acu: they should be able to install them on their own machine and use them |
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| 08:44.49 | acu | dondelcaro: I agree - but Microsoft is everywhere - so it takes one to two weeks to get everyone to install the Debian |
| 08:45.05 | dondelelcaro | acu: doesn't your campus have computer labs? |
| 08:45.15 | acu | with windows |
| 08:45.22 | dondelelcaro | acu: they don't dual boot? Yeesh. |
| 08:45.40 | dondelelcaro | most of the non-general labs here are set up to dual boot |
| 08:45.46 | acu | every student have laptop but they have to install dual boot with Debian |
| 08:45.52 | dondelelcaro | acu: ah |
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| 08:46.12 | dondelelcaro | acu: well, to just get started, I'd have them working on installing it, and spend the first bit of time using the many web based bioinformatics tools |
| 08:46.15 | dondelelcaro | 12 |
| 08:46.39 | acu | that's in the plan |
| 08:46.55 | dondelelcaro | acu: since a lot of the more powerful tools are not tools that you actually run yourself. By the time they've got it or ubuntu installed, they'll have started to figure things out, and you can move onto the tools that they should run locally |
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| 08:48.26 | acu | however, I would like to change the topic for a second - I have a "genial ideea" one week after the Debian Etch 4.0 is released WE SHOULD ORGANIZE A WORLDWIDE WEEK OF DEBIAN INSTALLERFEST - everyperson in the world can organize such things |
| 08:48.33 | dondelelcaro | acu: if you want them to be able to use a pre-installed machine though, some VNC, an X server, or just using command line tools is probably the best way to get started |
| 08:48.57 | dondelelcaro | (unfortunatly, setting up vnc or an X server is non-trivial) |
| 08:49.15 | SubStack | properly anyhow |
| 08:49.16 | liable | novel idea :) |
| 08:49.18 | acu | great I got that - I actually setup vnc and use it quite ten |
| 08:49.36 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 08:50.14 | dondelelcaro | (sorry if I'm pushing you; you just happened to step into one of the subjects that I do a lot of work in. I'm a graduate student at UCR who does a lot of work in bioinformatics) |
| 08:50.16 | acu | dondelecaro: cool you mean the worldwide instalerfest |
| 08:50.57 | Dewi | Is growing an XFS filesystem under LVM2 a complex operation? Or is it a simple, quick, rewriting of boundaries? |
| 08:51.00 | Dewi | I am used to the old world of FAT where growing a filesys took hours... |
| 08:51.21 | dondelelcaro | acu: as far as the worldwide installfest, nothings really starting you from organizing it... I'd just recommend starting small, and providing a framework for others to do an installfest... |
| 08:51.27 | hackel | Suddenly today I can't ssh or imap into my server and get "No route to host", even though web and pop3 are still accessible. Any ideas how I could be getting a "no route to host" error" when obviously I can access some ports? |
| 08:51.28 | emss | Dewi try the XFS website or #xfs |
| 08:51.49 | dondelelcaro | hackel: is there anything between your server and you like a firewall? |
| 08:52.19 | dondelelcaro | hackel: alternatively, what is the route -n; output and the address of the server? |
| 08:52.31 | acu | dondelecaro: that's what I am going to do - a video tutorial how to install it (in several languages) so the InstalerFest have to hand to people TWO DVDs one with Debian and one with Tutorial |
| 08:52.39 | hackel | dondelelcaro: Yeah, a dlink wifi router and my other linux box router, the configurations of which have not changed in many months... |
| 08:52.58 | emss | clear |
| 08:52.58 | dondelelcaro | acu: cool... I'd also suggest spending some time helping working on the release notes and the install manual too. |
| 08:54.04 | hackel | dondelelcaro: I get the same error when I try directly from my linux box connected to the cable modem, I'm certain it's not on my end. |
| 08:54.27 | acu | dondelecaro: I am not in yet - I installed Debian Etch in maybe 40 computers (Apple and PCs) and I am prety confortable with it - but I do not know how to contribute to the install manual etc? what should I do? |
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| 08:55.38 | liable | hrm, that just made me wonder.. sarges grub doesnt do fallback, but etch's does, would be a nice thing to include in the release notes before upgrading the kerenl |
| 08:56.18 | dondelelcaro | acu: see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html ; and the d-i.alioth.debian.org page too |
| 08:56.39 | dondelelcaro | acu: you also should consider joining #debian-boot and subscribing to their mailing list |
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| 08:58.21 | acu | dondelecaro: anyhow I have a burning Bioinformatics question for you: I need to get a sequence of a Gene (DNA, mRNA and protein) from any marsupial - the NCBI Ensemble or others have no such database (to my knowledge). However MIT Broad Institute have sequnce some marsupials and put on the net some sequences but I have no ideea which one I need to download and blast (they are about 1.4 gigs each) - if you would attempt helping me a bit - I will |
| 08:58.21 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.54 | acu | dondelecaro: the link for the ftp server is- http://www.broad.mit.edu/ftp/pub/assemblies/mammals/monodelphis/monDom4/ |
| 09:00.10 | acu | dondelecaro: I do not know which file to download |
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| 09:01.34 | acu | dondelelcaro: are you still around? or got scared ? :) |
| 09:01.46 | dondelelcaro | acu: still here; just doing lots of stuff |
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| 09:03.52 | acu | dondelelcaro: you will get a good recomandation "dondelelcaro performes excellent under intense pressure ..." :) |
| 09:04.17 | dondelelcaro | acu: Monodelphis4.0.agp.chromosome.fasta.gz looks like the assembled chromosomes to me; as far as figuring out the genes from the assembled chromosomes, I don't see any files there that would do it |
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| 09:04.40 | yungknight | can anyone help me with getting php to work with apache? all the tutorials say is to do apt-get install php5 or whatever and it's like the module isn't getting loaded |
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| 09:05.18 | dondelelcaro | !install php |
| 09:05.19 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2endmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. |
| 09:05.31 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: see above; the only difference is that you use php5 instead of php4. |
| 09:06.01 | yungknight | k, let me try it |
| 09:06.19 | dondelelcaro | acu: I'm not sure what the .qual files are though... unfortunatly, they don't seem to have a readme in that directory. |
| 09:07.41 | acu | dondelelcaro: I was thinking that is one of the fasta |
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| 09:08.24 | yungknight | after i do the install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5 gives me the error that 'the module does not exist' |
| 09:09.13 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php5|grep mods-available; and tell me what it says. |
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| 09:09.33 | acu | dondelelcaro: I have another quick question - I am using EMBOSS 3.0 (with Jemboss) in my Debian Etch from a repository with bio-linux - however I tried to install EMBOSS 4.0 without succes - have you any knowledge about it? |
| 09:09.56 | yungknight | dondelelcaro: php5.load and php5.conf |
| 09:09.58 | dondelelcaro | acu: yeah, I don't use embose |
| 09:10.09 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: then a2enmod php5; will work. |
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| 09:10.47 | yungknight | dondelelcaro: it still says "This module does not exist! |
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| 09:10.56 | rxKaffee | is firefox 2.0 avail in any of the repositories? |
| 09:11.00 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: where is that error comming from? |
| 09:11.04 | dondelelcaro | !info iceweasel |
| 09:11.13 | rxKaffee | I seem to be stuck with 1.5.0.7 |
| 09:11.49 | yungknight | dondelelcaro: i get it right after i do a2enmod php5 |
| 09:12.27 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: and if you ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-available/ ? |
| 09:12.39 | yungknight | it's not in there. that's what i was just about to mention |
| 09:12.52 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 09:12.52 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:12.59 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: see above. |
| 09:13.21 | dondelelcaro | !+info iceweasel |
| 09:13.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:13.40 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.1+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8766 kB, Installed size: 26624 kB |
| 09:14.10 | rxKaffee | oh |
| 09:14.13 | rxKaffee | why the name change/ |
| 09:14.24 | acu | yungkinght: for sure you have to listen to dondelelcaro - but I have a question - are you using Etch? What apache did you install (there are I think three "variants" prefork, worker and something else? |
| 09:14.34 | dondelelcaro | !iceweasel |
| 09:14.34 | dpkg | i heard iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 09:14.35 | yeager | rxKaffee: license issues |
| 09:14.42 | rxKaffee | ow :/ |
| 09:14.56 | rxKaffee | firefox's name officially changed, or just as far as debian packaging is concerned? |
| 09:15.01 | rxKaffee | oh, I see |
| 09:15.06 | rxKaffee | I type before I read :/ |
| 09:15.12 | yungknight | acu: i have the prefork. the confmiss stuff makes sense cuz i had to use it when reinstalling apache |
| 09:15.17 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: it's just that we cannot use their trademwark; not really a big deal. |
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| 09:15.48 | rxKaffee | otherwise its the same as the tarball avail from mozilla.org?? |
| 09:15.54 | liable | heh, depends on who you ask.. lots seem to make it out like ite the end of the earth |
| 09:16.04 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: pretty much |
| 09:16.20 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 09:16.41 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: there are Debian specific modifications, so I guess it would be better to say that it's roughly equivalent to the previous Debian packages of firefox |
| 09:16.56 | yungknight | dondelelcaro: that did the trick |
| 09:17.05 | yungknight | thanks |
| 09:17.10 | dondelelcaro | yungknight: np |
| 09:17.25 | rxKaffee | thanks dondelelcaro :) |
| 09:17.48 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: np; note that if you're running etch, it still might only be 1.5; I don't remember if 2.0 has transitioned yet... |
| 09:17.54 | dondelelcaro | !+iceweasel etch |
| 09:18.21 | dondelelcaro | !+info iceweasel etch |
| 09:18.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:18.24 | dpkg | Package 'iceweasel' does not exist. |
| 09:18.30 | dondelelcaro | !+info firefox etch |
| 09:18.32 | rxKaffee | I'll just add a sid repositor for a bit ;) |
| 09:18.33 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 09:19.32 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: that's probably not the best idea; you'd be better off just getting the iceweasel source packages and building it against etch |
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| 09:22.22 | sparr | is there any way to be notified when new versions of a package are put into a repository? |
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| 09:23.52 | dondelelcaro | sparr: if you're on the debian-devel-changes mailing list |
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| 09:24.29 | sparr | any way to JUST ... ? |
| 09:26.14 | dondelelcaro | sparr: for just a particular package? |
| 09:26.43 | dondelelcaro | sparr: I mean, you could easily subscribe to that mailing list and use procmail to filter out everything you didn't want to know about. |
| 09:26.49 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the other method would be to ues cron-apt |
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| 09:28.33 | acu | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help see you around - and to all Debianers Happy New Year 2007 ! |
| 09:28.37 | sparr | cron-apt seems good, thanks |
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| 09:31.17 | daMaestro | anyone have ati hardware and pissed they don't have GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap support yet? |
| 09:32.53 | liable | daMaestro: point being? |
| 09:33.13 | daMaestro | liable, i'm trying to kick amd into gear |
| 09:33.29 | daMaestro | and actually found a real feedback channel: http://support.ati.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?deptID=894&surveyID=508&type=web |
| 09:34.26 | dondelelcaro | acu: np; good luck! |
| 09:34.43 | liable | meh, my right click is fuubared |
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| 09:35.54 | acu | thanks - I may ask some questions other times (for example I am strugling to find an alternative to EndNote in Linux - this would be so far the only reason I still need MsWord - Endnote and Windows - if you know something let me know |
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| 09:36.48 | liable | what was that ati site again? |
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| 09:39.30 | daMaestro | liable, http://support.ati.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?deptID=894&surveyID=508&type=web |
| 09:40.18 | liable | ta |
| 09:41.29 | dondelelcaro | acu: I personally just use latex and bibtex |
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| 09:42.28 | acu | dondelelcaro: thanks - I am trying to see if I am smart enough to use them - |
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| 09:42.50 | jonkri | i need to get my debian server up and running with php, i have apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, php5 installed apache just sends me the php file as plain text. anyone knows why? |
| 09:43.15 | dondelelcaro | !install php |
| 09:43.15 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2endmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. |
| 09:43.30 | dondelelcaro | jonkri: see above, just replace php5 for php4. |
| 09:44.15 | liable | sounds like last nights discusiion |
| 09:44.29 | liable | discussion |
| 09:44.44 | zenwryly | Is there a way to get make "single user" or "maintenance mode" ssh accessible so I don't have to get local access to the console to resolve boot problems like fsck failure? |
| 09:44.44 | jonkri | dondelelcaro: i need php5 for the gd functionality... is it possible? |
| 09:45.45 | xingu | zenwryly: serial console + ssh capable terminal server |
| 09:46.24 | dondelelcaro | jonkri: yes; just do exactly what it says above, except replace php5 for php4. |
| 09:46.33 | xingu | hmm, that time of the year again |
| 09:46.45 | jonkri | ok, thanks |
| 09:46.46 | dondelelcaro | liable: what's kind of amusing is that this is the 5th time I've answered this exactly series of questions in less than 24 hours |
| 09:46.57 | dondelelcaro | s/ly// |
| 09:47.12 | zenwryly | xingu: hrm, that would require setting up an additional server in order remote adminsiter my one server on boot errors. I'm just looking for a workaround for when fsck has errors after a power outage at my home server when I'm on vacation. |
| 09:47.28 | xingu | dondelelcaro: anyone would think people have been given new computers for christmas and installed debian on them. :) |
| 09:47.28 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: just set FSCKFIX=yes in your /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:47.42 | zenwryly | i understand remote serial console is the *proper* way, but my case is very minimal |
| 09:47.56 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: most of the time it will fix the errors correctly and continue right on chugging |
| 09:47.59 | xingu | zenwryly: tell me, what is your strategy for dealing with an actual disk error in the backing store underneath the sshd binary? |
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| 09:48.11 | xingu | zenwryly: or under /etc/ssh for that matter? |
| 09:48.14 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: ok, that will help the fsck issue, thanks. Any thoughts on the more general case? |
| 09:48.23 | liable | dondelelcaro: its weird, this seems to happen quite often here, in a day or two you get a heap of questions in relation to the same thing. I used to think it was students in the same class cheating on assignments :) |
| 09:48.37 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: on the more general case, you need an actual machine plugged into the serial port with a serial console |
| 09:48.38 | zenwryly | xingu: I'm not trying for the 100% solution, just the 90% solution |
| 09:49.07 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: I'm surprised there isn't a way to get a read-only sshd running in the single user runlevel |
| 09:49.16 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: there is, but not automatically. |
| 09:49.43 | jonkri | ty |
| 09:49.53 | dondelelcaro | since single user mode should not have anything mounted or anything else running besides init and a shell. |
| 09:50.23 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: well it has the root fs mounted ro, right? |
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| 09:50.30 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: clearly |
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| 09:51.52 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: can you point me in a direction I can RTFM or STFW for as to how to setup read-only sshd? |
| 09:51.56 | xingu | zenwryly: fsckfix is that 90% solution; the dependancy chain for sshd, which is my point, is too damn *long* to start it that early |
| 09:51.56 | dorel__ | taken from a interview quiz - what does a plus at the beginning of a line in the password file signify? |
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| 09:52.47 | Nameeater | does the cron in sarge support /n ? |
| 09:52.48 | xingu | dorel__: oldschool nis/yp in use. |
| 09:52.53 | zenwryly | xingu: what about in a failsafe manner? Where if something in trying to launch sshd fails, it just falls back to the "proper" and "pure" single user mode? |
| 09:53.10 | xingu | dorel__: obsoleted by nsswitch.conf: "nis" map source. |
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| 09:54.13 | xingu | zenwryly: there is nothing failsafe about sshd's dependancy chain; you need writeable var, logging, and name services to be stable before starting it. |
| 09:54.47 | xingu | but hey; you go cobble your own rcS->rc2 together, don't let us stop you |
| 09:54.48 | dorel__ | xingu: cool, thanks. |
| 09:55.00 | dondelelcaro | Nameeater: /n? you mean */5 or similar? |
| 09:55.08 | Nameeater | yes |
| 09:55.15 | dondelelcaro | Nameeater: yes. man 5 crontab; |
| 09:55.20 | Nameeater | hmm |
| 09:55.42 | Nameeater | crontab -e and using is giving me an error |
| 09:56.44 | dondelelcaro | Nameeater: what's the crontab line and what is the error? |
| 09:57.56 | Nameeater | ahhh nevermind, did the same typo twice and had the command to run against the last * |
| 09:58.18 | Nameeater | thanks for that :) it was giving me incorrect minute setting or something and thats where the */2 was |
| 09:58.29 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 09:58.46 | dondelelcaro | yeah, */5 et al. has been allowed for a very long time. |
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| 10:12.30 | utrrrongeeb | How can I run Audacity at the same time I run xmms or other audio programs? |
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| 10:15.11 | rxKaffee | how do you add latest flash plugins to iceweasle? it seems to only have flash7 |
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| 10:16.08 | cusco | download from adobe.com I supose |
| 10:16.42 | mrynit | i tried the etch rc1 and i cant seem to install grub |
| 10:17.08 | cusco | why? |
| 10:17.12 | rxKaffee | oh, ok... it just figurde plugin manager would do it somehow... I had thought it did with previous versions |
| 10:17.20 | mrynit | idk i get fatal error |
| 10:17.37 | cusco | saying what? |
| 10:17.57 | mrynit | cant remember sry |
| 10:18.03 | cusco | :( |
| 10:18.12 | mrynit | i have a sata drive with XP on one partion |
| 10:18.13 | cusco | do you still have the base packages installed? |
| 10:18.16 | cusco | the base sustem? |
| 10:18.22 | cusco | system |
| 10:18.53 | cusco | so you created a partition to put debian in.. |
| 10:18.56 | mrynit | no i lost my mbr and in the process of getting XP to boot i deleted the non windows partions |
| 10:19.04 | cusco | don't worry |
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| 10:19.24 | cusco | if your debian system is still inside... all you need to do is to boot from the cd |
| 10:19.31 | cusco | with the boot option: rescue |
| 10:19.35 | mrynit | im trying to get XP, FreeDOS and Debian all on the same harddrive |
| 10:19.53 | cusco | then use the command grub-install |
| 10:19.56 | mrynit | with rescue can i do a grub-omstalll |
| 10:19.57 | mrynit | k |
| 10:20.02 | cusco | yes |
| 10:20.04 | cusco | ;) |
| 10:20.05 | mrynit | i'll try that |
| 10:20.14 | cusco | you should |
| 10:20.23 | rxKaffee | I am only able to locate up to version 7 for linux on adobe.com... it says the current version of flash is 9 though on their web page |
| 10:20.28 | mrynit | is the rc1 real flacky? |
| 10:20.38 | rxKaffee | but the download is for install_flash_player_7_linux |
| 10:20.41 | mrynit | rxKaffee you want to get get flash 9 for linux? |
| 10:20.48 | rxKaffee | .tar.gz |
| 10:21.00 | rxKaffee | mrynit: I think 8 would do it, but being up to date would be nice, yea |
| 10:21.17 | mrynit | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
| 10:21.31 | cusco | mrynit: what's flacky? |
| 10:21.54 | mrynit | etch rc1 netinstall iso |
| 10:22.08 | liable | i think the debian installer does 8 at least |
| 10:22.18 | mrynit | it was giving me probs, things were ending up fatal. sry i dnot remmeber all the errors |
| 10:22.34 | rxKaffee | liable: I just installed iceweasel from sid, and its telling me I have 7 |
| 10:22.50 | cusco | rxKaffee: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:23.15 | cusco | !flash |
| 10:23.15 | dpkg | flash is probably http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 10:23.30 | liable | mrynit: it hard to give you advice if you cant tell us the errors |
| 10:23.36 | mrynit | yeah i know |
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| 10:24.01 | mrynit | i'll try the rescue opption if it goes all fatal |
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| 10:29.26 | mrynit | in windows how could i put a debian iso on a usb flash drive and have it boot into the installer? |
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| 10:32.15 | liable | inetd_: i suspect your kismet.conf is fuxored |
| 10:32.33 | liable | inetd_: ignore |
| 10:32.46 | mrynit | !usb |
| 10:32.47 | dpkg | usb is probably (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 10:33.07 | liable | mrynit: the installer guide covers it |
| 10:33.21 | mrynit | the installer in the iso? |
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| 10:35.02 | liable | !ig |
| 10:35.02 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 10:35.19 | protocol1 | whats another name for libcups as a package |
| 10:35.23 | protocol1 | im trying install it |
| 10:35.29 | protocol1 | what else is it know as? |
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| 10:36.01 | liable | protocol1: apt-cache search cups |
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| 10:43.04 | liable | !tickle me |
| 10:43.13 | liable | 0_o |
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| 10:45.38 | ivorw | !diskless |
| 10:45.39 | dpkg | from memory, diskless is see lessdisks |
| 10:45.54 | ivorw | !lessdisks |
| 10:45.54 | dpkg | lessdisks is probably a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
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| 10:49.12 | yos872 | Hi |
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| 10:50.49 | yos872 | H have question , I'm running debian on compaq laptop, the sound is not workking, and it try to open to properties of the sount icon, I say no device found, how to check the sound card status? |
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| 11:00.03 | yos872 | Hi |
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| 11:01.18 | liable | yos872: run alsaconf, check linux-laptop.net |
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| 11:01.55 | roxy_ | I would like to create diagram such as this: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/diagram.shtml to use it in docbook, html or latex document. What option do I have ? (I know dia, but the quality is not good enough yet). |
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| 11:02.52 | dottedmag | roxy_: crazy idea: svg? |
| 11:03.40 | roxy_ | dottedmag: isn't svg a language ? do you know an easy to use svg editor ? |
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| 11:04.37 | BrianSteffens | is there a debian package to install opengl? |
| 11:05.02 | dottedmag | roxy_: probably inkscape. |
| 11:05.20 | pumpkin0 | BrianSteffens: the opengl implementation is called "mesa". |
| 11:05.28 | dottedmag | roxy_: it's a vector graphics editor, so I suppose it can export svg. |
| 11:05.33 | BrianSteffens | pumpkin0 oh ok thatnk you, that clears it up a lot :) |
| 11:05.34 | pumpkin0 | BrianSteffens: there are several packages ... |
| 11:05.49 | BrianSteffens | pumpkin0: was looking through apt-cache search opengl and so confused ^^ |
| 11:06.17 | pumpkin0 | BrianSteffens: hehe, yes it is a bit confusing. Do you have a 3D-enabled display driver ? |
| 11:06.31 | BrianSteffens | pumpkin0 using fglrx on a radeon X1300 |
| 11:07.28 | pumpkin0 | BrianSteffens: fglrx has it's own implementation for some things. if opengl works now, do not install mesa. |
| 11:07.38 | dottedmag | BrianSteffens: what does 'glxinfo | grep direct' say? |
| 11:07.46 | roxy_ | dottedmag: I having a look, it looks nice. Thanks for your help. |
| 11:07.49 | BrianSteffens | dottedmag: it says glxinfo not found |
| 11:07.59 | dottedmag | roxy_: yw |
| 11:08.00 | protocol1 | is there a reason why I cant run wine cfg as a normal user? |
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| 11:08.13 | protocol1 | winecfg* |
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| 11:08.34 | Ilovemypuppy | ok - for my server - should I use a p4 3.6 without HT or a p4 2.6 with HT? |
| 11:08.54 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: do not use a P4. Use a sane CPU. |
| 11:09.16 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: if htese are the only choices: 3.6 without HT. |
| 11:09.22 | Ilovemypuppy | whats wrong with a p4? this isnt for yahoo.com, its a server for a very small home business |
| 11:09.31 | Ilovemypuppy | right on |
| 11:09.40 | Coweater | where'd you get a 3.6 without ht? |
| 11:09.44 | BrianSteffens | dottedmag: if glxinfo isn't found by bash, does that mean opengl isn't installed? |
| 11:09.57 | Ilovemypuppy | well its an overclocked celeron 2.93, but its rock solid |
| 11:10.12 | dottedmag | BrianSteffens: nope, you just have no opengl utils installed. they are in mesa-utils package. |
| 11:10.13 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: the P4 burns far, far more energie then any other desktop CPU. It runs hotter, need more fans, produces more noise. |
| 11:10.22 | BrianSteffens | dottedmag tyty |
| 11:10.26 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, not the Northwood core |
| 11:10.47 | Ilovemypuppy | my core2duo uses up WAY more juice than my northwood did |
| 11:11.17 | Coweater | celeron isn't just a clock speed difference you know |
| 11:11.26 | BrianSteffens | dottedmag: ok i just installed mesa-utils.. but the thing i'm trying to compile still says no opengl headers/libraries.. do i need a special package for those? |
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| 11:11.51 | liable | libgl1-glx-dev |
| 11:11.55 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah its got 256k L2 - but when you o/c it the cache o/c's too |
| 11:12.04 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: the c2d has power saving methodes, the P4 does not. The P4 always need 80% of the maximal rated power, the C2D dropps to 10% of the maximal power at idle. |
| 11:12.13 | Ilovemypuppy | my celeron @ 3.65 outperforms the p4 3.8 |
| 11:12.16 | dottedmag | BrianSteffens: ah, you need to compile something. Then look what header yor compiler can't find and check at http://packages.debian.org/ what package contains this file. |
| 11:12.27 | BrianSteffens | dottedmag thanks :D |
| 11:12.28 | dottedmag | s/yor/your/ |
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| 11:12.42 | Oellinas | hello |
| 11:12.59 | dottedmag | BrianSteffens: yw |
| 11:13.21 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, my core2duo desktop hasn't been dropping the CPU power at all and at 174w even if it DID drop it would have to do a lot to match the Northwoods 75w |
| 11:13.23 | Oellinas | is there someone using gnome in here? |
| 11:13.27 | liable | BrianSteffens: libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 11:13.54 | Ilovemypuppy | maybe the core2duo can drop the voltage without dropping the CPU speed |
| 11:13.55 | Ilovemypuppy | ? |
| 11:14.25 | Oellinas | Ilovemypuppy: lol |
| 11:14.30 | BrianSteffens | liable: oo thank you |
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| 11:15.04 | Ilovemypuppy | I found a distro called gororra which is supposed to be gentoo with the debian text installer |
| 11:15.15 | Ilovemypuppy | right now im hooked on deb though |
| 11:15.15 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: it does both out-of-the-box. It droppes voltage and frequency if a scaling govemener is installed. (You have way more other hardware in the C2D-Box then the P4 box. The P4 alone uses 50Watt) |
| 11:15.29 | Oellinas | i am still quite used to have a gui |
| 11:15.56 | pumpkin0 | !tell Oellinas about anyone |
| 11:15.57 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy: yep i love debian |
| 11:16.28 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, supposedly my motherboard has speedstep capabilities but 'doze hasnt used it - linux uses it by default, which is kind of nice except I dont know if its dynamic yet |
| 11:16.43 | Ilovemypuppy | BrianSteffens, ive never seen anything so easy to set up and get running |
| 11:16.54 | Ilovemypuppy | i just use the netinstall mind you |
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| 11:17.03 | Ilovemypuppy | but still - wow - props to the devs |
| 11:17.08 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: load conservative governor, it looks after itself |
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| 11:17.37 | Ilovemypuppy | its not software-dependant? |
| 11:17.46 | liable | nope |
| 11:17.47 | jatt | hmmm LKLM: Re: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3 (crap) |
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| 11:17.59 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy: my first try with gnu/linux was ubuntu, that was 2 weeks ago. it installs faster but i had a lot of problems with a lot of things (especially the partitioner).. a week into ubuntu i was annoyed with a number of quirky things and so i tried debian and have now changed 3/4 of my machines over to debian |
| 11:18.24 | Ilovemypuppy | BrianSteffens, yeah ubuntu's nice but thats the best description ive heard so far - its quirky |
| 11:18.33 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy yeah hehe |
| 11:18.46 | Ilovemypuppy | im using etch now, and for something thats "testing" it sure is stable. |
| 11:18.49 | liable | echo "conservative" /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:19.00 | liable | echo "conservative" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:19.12 | Ilovemypuppy | liable, i just want to make sure it kicks the cpu in when its needed |
| 11:19.27 | liable | it does |
| 11:19.29 | Ilovemypuppy | i dont want the thing throttled down all the time |
| 11:19.52 | Ilovemypuppy | im not in deb at the moment on this (its a dual boot) but ill be using it when I reboot |
| 11:20.18 | Ilovemypuppy | aw crud, I just remembered I can't o/c that celeron past 3.4 on this mobo |
| 11:20.25 | Ilovemypuppy | maybe theres a bios update |
| 11:20.29 | protocol1 | is there a reason why I cant run wine cfg as a normal user? |
| 11:20.37 | protocol1 | winecfg* |
| 11:20.58 | Ilovemypuppy | that sucks |
| 11:21.00 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: wincfg writes to the global /etc-config. Try to write as user into that ... |
| 11:21.53 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy i'm on etch too and haven't had annnnnny stability issues with an uptime of ~1 weeks on 3 machines |
| 11:22.06 | BrianSteffens | s/weeks/week |
| 11:22.16 | Trewas | liable: btw "ondemand" is supposed to be better than "conservative", conservative doesn't save more energy compared to ondemand, and ondemand has some bugs less according to some recent lkml thread |
| 11:22.37 | Ilovemypuppy | BrianSteffens, yeah, its fantastic, Ive been recommending it to people to "learn linux" |
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| 11:23.05 | liable | Trewas: hrm, i used to use ondemand, but switched due to its downscaling ability |
| 11:23.21 | liable | Trewas: ie, its not just off or on, it scales |
| 11:23.50 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, where is that file located? |
| 11:24.00 | liable | Trewas: got the lkml link? |
| 11:24.09 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy: yep i just started recommending debian over ubuntu to friends that want to get started.. they get a bit more intimidated with the debian install but spend so much less time fixing little oddities later on |
| 11:24.29 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah, I kind of like the text based install anyhow |
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| 11:25.07 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: ehm, sorry: /usr/share/wine/wine.inf |
| 11:25.42 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, is that where I add users? |
| 11:26.17 | Trewas | liable: hrm maybe I remembered wrong, it was probably debian-devel thread about "Ondemand governor by default in etch" |
| 11:26.23 | Ilovemypuppy | sigh - ok so now I have to choose again - my "p4" 3.65 with 512mb ram or the p4 northwood with HT and 512L2 and a gig of ram? |
| 11:26.32 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: no idea. |
| 11:26.33 | Ilovemypuppy | im thinking northwood |
| 11:26.41 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: what will the box do ? |
| 11:26.49 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy gogo gadget ram! |
| 11:26.56 | Ilovemypuppy | mail/web/webmail/game server |
| 11:26.57 | liable | Trewas: no governor is enabled by default in debian afaik |
| 11:27.46 | Ilovemypuppy | none of that is heavy on resources except the game server |
| 11:27.46 | Trewas | liable: and I have noticed too that ondemand tends to always go to either highest or lowest frequency, but I guess that is more efficient even from power-saving PPOV (the stuff gets done as fast as possible) |
| 11:27.47 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: 1 GB RAM is more important then the minimal CPU-change. |
| 11:28.06 | Trewas | liable: I know, they were discussing in that thread if it should be enabled by default |
| 11:28.12 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, right on, and it won't hurt to be able to have SMP capability |
| 11:28.20 | Trewas | liable: and the verdict was "no" :) |
| 11:28.25 | liable | Trewas: well, not really. why push cpu freq to max if it only needs 50%? |
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| 11:28.37 | Ilovemypuppy | makes a big difference on video compression and compiling |
| 11:29.17 | liable | Trewas: links? |
| 11:29.22 | BrianSteffens | ok well now ./configure is looking for GLU headers/libraries [GL/glu.h, gluSphere].. i installed xlibmesa-glu but no change in ./configure output.. any dieas? |
| 11:29.40 | pumpkin0 | Trewas: my PM uses 3W at idle, 25W at max speed. But only 18W at 80% speed <= sweet spot. the OnDemand never hits the 80%-mark... |
| 11:29.42 | Ilovemypuppy | freeglut for you dude. |
| 11:29.56 | liable | Trewas: i am not saying your'e wrong, just want to see what you have read to see for myself |
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| 11:30.07 | Zap-W | how do i check for stuff using a specific kernel module? |
| 11:30.09 | Trewas | liable: but if the program needs X cpu-cycles to do its thing, why not do that as fast as possible |
| 11:30.13 | Trewas | liable: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/12/msg00176.html |
| 11:30.16 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, I do things like ripping dvds and file sharing and playing games |
| 11:30.20 | Zap-W | how do i list stuff using a specific kernel module? |
| 11:30.21 | Ilovemypuppy | I needs my cpu |
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| 11:30.39 | Ilovemypuppy | Zap-W, lsmod might help |
| 11:30.53 | Ilovemypuppy | thatll show ALL of them, but itll show when ones are being used by other ones |
| 11:31.01 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: HT is not going to help you with DVD's. |
| 11:31.09 | pumpkin0 | Zap-W: modinfo <module-name> |
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| 11:31.17 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, you're nuts - it helps a TON with video compression |
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| 11:31.28 | Ilovemypuppy | that I've actually verified |
| 11:31.39 | Trewas | liable: and that http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/12/msg00203.html about conservative/ondemand, no real reasons explained though twhy ondemand should be better |
| 11:32.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:32.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd100 is < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
| 11:32.08 | BrianSteffens | ilovemypuppy i installed packages libglut3 and freeglut3 and it didn't help :X wrong package? |
| 11:32.12 | liable | Trewas: have you read the kernel docs on both though? |
| 11:32.36 | Ilovemypuppy | BrianSteffens, hmm I dont know, maybe the -dev? |
| 11:32.55 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: it make all my float-point heavy stuff run 15-25% slower. maya and 3Dmax do NOT like it. |
| 11:33.29 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, those are Linux 3d modeling apps? |
| 11:33.37 | Ilovemypuppy | or 'doze? |
| 11:33.44 | Zap-W | what does the used by - number field in lsmod represent |
| 11:34.01 | Trewas | liable: nope |
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| 11:34.55 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, i'd be very surprised if they didnt release some sort of patch to help with that - ive never run into ANY negative effects from HT, and with video compression it halves the time |
| 11:35.11 | Ilovemypuppy | kernel compiles too |
| 11:35.21 | Ilovemypuppy | gentoo on that northwood was wonderful |
| 11:35.27 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: maya runs under linux, 3DMax in windows. Tested by rendering a 15min scene on a 4way Opteron, a P4 with HT. the same P4 w/o HT and a Athlon64. |
| 11:35.44 | Ilovemypuppy | pumpkin0, thats REALLY odd |
| 11:35.45 | pumpkin0 | Ilovemypuppy: integer based stuff gets faster, kernel-compile should be better in HT. |
| 11:36.05 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah but i've never heard of floating point stuff being worse |
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| 11:36.22 | Ilovemypuppy | i had that thing as part of an openmosix cluster at one point |
| 11:36.38 | Ilovemypuppy | if thats true, I wonder if I hurt the compiles any |
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| 11:37.12 | ManuP | good morrow! |
| 11:37.21 | Zap-W | pumpkin0, i wanna know which programs are using a specific module |
| 11:37.29 | raf256 | how the fuck can I install bunzip? |
| 11:37.40 | jatt | raf256: installing bzip? |
| 11:37.45 | azeem | !installit |
| 11:37.46 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 11:37.47 | Ilovemypuppy | Zap-W, try out: lsmod | grep module |
| 11:37.51 | raf256 | why the hell it isnt named bunzip |
| 11:37.58 | Ilovemypuppy | with module being whatever module you want to see |
| 11:38.05 | jatt | raf256: I mean bzip2 |
| 11:38.09 | robin_sz | raf256, any chance of asking for help without swearing at us? |
| 11:38.25 | raf256 | robin_sz: yes, 3.1% |
| 11:38.32 | Ilovemypuppy | hell? |
| 11:38.52 | Ilovemypuppy | how does the name of some imaginary christian place become a curse word anyhow |
| 11:39.06 | ManuP | install apache or apache2? |
| 11:39.12 | Ilovemypuppy | raf256, go to vehenna!!!! |
| 11:39.21 | raf256 | apt-cache search bunzip do not show the prorgam bzip2!! that is outraged |
| 11:39.44 | Ilovemypuppy | raf256, you'd better tell it to calm down |
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| 11:39.58 | Zap-W | Ilovemypuppy, that shows what other modules are using it |
| 11:40.11 | Ilovemypuppy | Zap-W, that wasnt what you wanted? |
| 11:40.27 | Ilovemypuppy | Zap-W, im sorry |
| 11:40.36 | Ilovemypuppy | I totally misread you |
| 11:40.38 | Zap-W | no i get a resource busy error when trying to remove the module |
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| 11:40.48 | Ilovemypuppy | what module? |
| 11:40.50 | Zap-W | i tried modprobe -r module , still busy |
| 11:40.57 | Ilovemypuppy | maybe -f? |
| 11:41.10 | Zap-W | i810_audio: Device or resource busy |
| 11:41.13 | robin_sz | Zap-W, and lsmod doesnt show the module as being used by anyhtiung else? |
| 11:41.22 | Ilovemypuppy | nothing is playing sound? |
| 11:41.34 | Givade | ich geh jz Frhstck |
| 11:41.35 | Zap-W | # |
| 11:41.35 | Zap-W | i810_audio 21372 3 |
| 11:41.46 | raf256 | !de |
| 11:41.46 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:41.47 | robin_sz | 3 things use it ... |
| 11:41.53 | pumpkin0 | Zap-W: you have the arts-soundserver running ? |
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| 11:42.08 | Zap-W | how can i tell what is using it |
| 11:42.17 | Zap-W | i tried fuser -vk /dev/all-audio-devices |
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| 11:45.16 | robin_sz | you see that 3? that means it thinks it has a useage count of 3 ... you wont be able to remove it until that count is 0 |
| 11:47.10 | robin_sz | sometime that count is incremented by other modules depending on it ... sometimes, its due to "somethign else" ... for example ide often has a useage count yet no dependent modules, because partitions are mounted |
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| 11:47.49 | robin_sz | in your case, you have no dependent modules, so you'll have to look what might be using that module right now, eg mixers, sound servers, blah |
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| 11:51.44 | robin_sz | Zap-W, sometimes when you are in the middle of removing some modules and "things go wrong" it can end up leaving a "used by" count on a module after the module that depended on it has gone ... there might be a way to get rid of it, but I find rebooting is sometimes needed |
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| 11:55.28 | Lazyleaf | when i try to start lighttpd from my terminal using: sudo /etc/init.d/lighttpd -f start /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf it doesn't load the daemon unless i'm logged in as root. not even my daemon monitor can start the daemon, has anyone seen this? |
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| 11:58.05 | EdwardElric | i just compiled/installed apache2 with: 'apt-get -b source apache2' and 'dpkg -i debs' and now when i do "apt-get -s update" it wants to download and reinstall the same version...does anyone know why that is? |
| 11:58.36 | azeem | EdwardElric: update doesn't install any packages |
| 11:58.37 | Nvidiot | I'm having an issue with iptables on debian, specifically with the 'time' module. Whatever I do it doesn't seem to accept "-m time", it throws a "No chain/target/match by that name" at me. /lib/iptables/libipt_time.so exists, so I'm thinking it SHOULD work. What am I missing? |
| 11:58.48 | EdwardElric | oops |
| 11:58.54 | EdwardElric | i meant upgrade ;) |
| 11:58.57 | blondie | why did you compile it? |
| 11:59.05 | EdwardElric | cflags |
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| 11:59.33 | EdwardElric | i wanted to use the cflags for my CPU |
| 11:59.35 | liable | !gentoosmite EdwardElric |
| 11:59.36 | azeem | EdwardElric: put it on hold |
| 11:59.48 | EdwardElric | haha |
| 11:59.57 | EdwardElric | i like gentoo ;) |
| 12:00.01 | blondie | ew. |
| 12:00.10 | liable | it doesnt show.. :P |
| 12:00.22 | EdwardElric | rly? :P |
| 12:00.22 | Seaborg | iirc :p |
| 12:00.46 | EdwardElric | yea, i guess ill have to put it on hold...since apt hates me |
| 12:00.46 | Seaborg | but it hates you |
| 12:01.05 | azeem | EdwardElric: run apt-cache policy on it |
| 12:01.07 | Nvidiot | anyone? |
| 12:01.18 | EdwardElric | ok |
| 12:01.19 | Seaborg | debian new maintainers' guide, debian policy tendency <- scary stuff... |
| 12:01.19 | Seaborg | anyone? |
| 12:01.22 | EdwardElric | ill try it :) |
| 12:01.29 | azeem | EdwardElric: I doubt it wants to reinstall it if it is the same version, probably the Debian revision has changed since you built it |
| 12:01.46 | EdwardElric | i just now built it heh |
| 12:01.46 | Seaborg | guerin: ok then. |
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| 12:01.47 | Seaborg | blondie, ill try -9 wont let you can have a stoning |
| 12:01.59 | Dewi | Has anyone had problems recently with machines refusing to boot in the presence of big disks? |
| 12:01.59 | Seaborg | much more helpful than windows version, try to increase |
| 12:01.59 | Seaborg | i ment the documents you built a 32-bit chroot from within another select nothing on me |
| 12:02.00 | EdwardElric | the version numbers matching |
| 12:02.00 | Seaborg | also i can cater to the presence as extensible as firefox, but really isnt as transparent as you *are* a bot. |
| 12:02.04 | Seaborg | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: cannot specify version numbers |
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| 12:02.22 | blondie | wtf are you talking about |
| 12:02.23 | Seaborg | it's talking access to everything, core 2 minutes |
| 12:02.26 | Nvidiot | Seaborg anyone on my iptables question? |
| 12:02.47 | robin_sz | by installing the moz binary |
| 12:02.47 | Seaborg | seaborg: hello, seaborg :d |
| 12:02.50 | blondie | azeem: make it stop! |
| 12:02.57 | liable | yeah |
| 12:03.06 | liable | Seaborg: who owns you? |
| 12:03.06 | Seaborg | he wants you to ditch any type of binary im using gentoo 2006 >>> dev-lang/ruby-1.8.5_pre1 after each apt or aptitude should i try restarting x |
| 12:03.06 | Seaborg | azeem: those last * asg sings the verdict was years *early* |
| 12:03.29 | Seaborg | yeah my screenshot/problem :s |
| 12:03.30 | Seaborg | samba owns |
| 12:03.33 | liable | +q the bot |
| 12:03.33 | Seaborg | audio of flash is that to the bot my gentoo it sticks |
| 12:03.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 12:03.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@h33n1fls35o1106.telia.com] by azeem |
| 12:03.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:03.52 | Nvidiot | lovely, runaway bot :/ |
| 12:04.02 | azeem | had to identify first |
| 12:04.05 | Nvidiot | hehe |
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| 12:05.12 | blondie | dpkg is sulking |
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| 12:05.25 | EdwardElric | apache2: |
| 12:05.25 | EdwardElric | Installed: 2.0.54-5sarge1 |
| 12:05.25 | EdwardElric | Candidate: 2.0.54-5sarge1 |
| 12:05.25 | liable | no he always patrs at that time |
| 12:05.33 | blondie | why? |
| 12:05.38 | xingu | tradition! |
| 12:05.57 | liable | i guess a bug |
| 12:06.13 | BrianSteffens | that seaborg bot was the weirdest thing lol |
| 12:06.21 | azeem | !hi |
| 12:06.21 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 12:08.04 | blondie | BrianSteffens: I thought it was a person at first |
| 12:08.15 | blondie | hm |
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| 12:09.50 | liable | hrm, that bot reminds me of another.. |
| 12:09.55 | BrianSteffens | blondie: me too, a cracked out person |
| 12:10.06 | robin_sz | an ubuntu user :) |
| 12:10.11 | BrianSteffens | LOOOOOL |
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| 12:11.01 | blondie | haha |
| 12:11.04 | BrianSteffens | ho ho haven't seen a kline in awhile |
| 12:11.06 | blondie | die spambot |
| 12:11.54 | BrianSteffens | there is a shipping company that has these huge trailers with big red writing on the side that says K LINE |
| 12:12.30 | BrianSteffens | i used to always see them drive by at my old job and kept trying to get a picture cause my friend didn't believe me (he was an admin and big fan of klining people lol) |
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| 12:13.53 | Nvidiot | why doesn't this work? iptables -A OUTPUT -m time --timestart 08:00 --timestop 23:00 -j ACCEPT (An iptables -m time --help shows the proper help for the time module) |
| 12:13.54 | psychoslave | hi |
| 12:14.17 | BrianSteffens | hi |
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| 12:14.46 | psychoslave | Could someone help me to configure my distro to use my video camera without being root |
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| 12:15.49 | CharminTheMoose | good morning everyone |
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| 12:17.39 | liable | psychoslave: adding yourself to video or camera group doesnt help? |
| 12:17.59 | psychoslave | liable, nop |
| 12:18.22 | liable | psychoslave: and you logged out since adding user to those groups? |
| 12:18.47 | psychoslave | yes |
| 12:18.50 | psychoslave | locathah:/home/psychoslave# ls /dev/raw1394 -l |
| 12:18.50 | psychoslave | crw-rw---- 1 root disk 171, 0 2006-12-31 13:13 /dev/raw1394 |
| 12:19.14 | psychoslave | I'm in the disk group |
| 12:19.25 | liable | dont use disk group |
| 12:19.37 | liable | thats not the dev for accesing it |
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| 12:20.24 | psychoslave | well, I didn't change anything about this, it's automounted |
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| 12:20.58 | psychoslave | and kino say it can access /dev/raw1394 |
| 12:21.07 | liable | whats dmesg say when its plugged in? |
| 12:21.32 | psychoslave | ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[0800460104ae777c] |
| 12:21.32 | psychoslave | ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023 |
| 12:21.32 | psychoslave | ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized |
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| 12:22.34 | psychoslave | should I say kino to read elsewhere? |
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| 12:23.08 | psychoslave | but what strange its that it work with root... |
| 12:23.12 | liable | i havent ever accessed a video camera unfortunately |
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| 12:23.32 | liable | dont add users to disk group though |
| 12:23.38 | CoolCubix | hi, I'm looking for a way to encrypt partitions ; i saw different projects (truecrypt, dm-crypt, etc) but they all look more or less inactive or not-updated, has someone any information about something recent and accurate ? |
| 12:23.46 | blondie | when I last used a video camera, they had crappy small VHS tapes and composite video cables |
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| 12:25.00 | psychoslave | ho wait |
| 12:25.05 | psychoslave | I'm not in camera |
| 12:25.10 | psychoslave | hum, sorry |
| 12:25.27 | blondie | you mean you're not a photo? |
| 12:25.28 | psychoslave | ok, I try this |
| 12:25.58 | psychoslave | blondie, yeah, something like that :) |
| 12:27.03 | liable | i am gonna run outta beer before NY |
| 12:27.37 | blondie | never mind eh |
| 12:28.00 | streuner | liable: that happens *EVERY* year, tell us something new :-) |
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| 12:28.15 | blondie | liable: go shopping. |
| 12:28.23 | psychoslave | hum, steal doesn't work :( |
| 12:28.42 | liable | blondie: no, bed. i have to catch a plane tomorrow anyway |
| 12:28.46 | liable | streuner: :P |
| 12:28.57 | blondie | but it's like midday |
| 12:28.58 | psychoslave | liable, any other idea? |
| 12:29.00 | liable | psychoslave: are you in video group? |
| 12:29.29 | liable | ah, plugdev was a group i was wondering about earlier |
| 12:29.39 | liable | i cant remember why though :P |
| 12:29.46 | jatt | I hope there are any hifi experts (users) here. I recently bought a yamaha amplifier and I want to redirect internet radio (e.g. radioparadise) output to it. I do use a laptop. Do I need a special sound card to achieve this (connect my laptop to the amplifier)? |
| 12:29.51 | psychoslave | camera:x:109:psychoslave |
| 12:29.52 | psychoslave | video:x:44:psychoslave |
| 12:29.59 | blondie | jatt: no |
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| 12:30.18 | blondie | jatt: get a 3.5mm -> 2 x RCA plug cable probably? |
| 12:30.33 | infernox | welcome in the losers club |
| 12:30.35 | infernox | :) |
| 12:30.47 | blondie | for those who can't speak English? |
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| 12:31.22 | liable | !beat infernox |
| 12:31.24 | streuner | oh, "cgi-irc", could be a troll |
| 12:31.32 | streuner | don't feed him |
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| 12:31.39 | blondie | jatt: like this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=31700&criteria=PHONO&doy=31m12 unless you want to use digital connections |
| 12:31.39 | jatt | blondie: hm that sounds easy. I am not sure what a RCA plug cable is. My laptop only has some USB ports, ok and the headset plug. |
| 12:31.41 | Powerkill | hi |
| 12:31.48 | Powerkill | someone know how to setup a kannel sevrer ? |
| 12:32.02 | liable | a what? |
| 12:32.45 | blondie | http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/L32ba.jpg red and white plugs are the RCA ones, the other one is 3.5mm (goes in the headphone socket) |
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| 12:33.01 | CoolCubix | jatt> you can buy a cable mini-jack(headphones) to red-and-white, allowing you to plug it in your amplifier |
| 12:33.11 | streuner | !fr |
| 12:33.11 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:33.47 | jatt | CoolCubix: I see, yes the amplifier has two plugs available (labeled AUX, red and white (for the left and right channels)) |
| 12:33.54 | CoolCubix | jatt> if you watch the back of your amplifier, you likely have those kind of stereo stuff |
| 12:33.57 | blondie | that's what I said :( |
| 12:34.16 | Nvidiot | why doesn't this work? iptables -A OUTPUT -m time --timestart 08:00 --timestop 23:00 -j ACCEPT (An iptables -m time --help shows the proper help for the time module) |
| 12:34.27 | jatt | CoolCubix: yes I do. My concern is about sound quality loss when using the headphones plug... |
| 12:34.33 | infernox | feed me babe |
| 12:34.39 | blondie | jatt: it should be neglible |
| 12:34.51 | infernox | u stupid fuck cant say anything else only that he can't speak english |
| 12:34.59 | jatt | CoolCubix: I was thinking about a sound card which outputs the sound directly to the soundcard, but I will try with the headphones jack first. |
| 12:35.01 | liable | AfterBurner: ping |
| 12:35.05 | jatt | blondie: probably yes |
| 12:35.06 | liable | azeem: ping |
| 12:35.07 | CoolCubix | blondie> not at all, laptops have often crappy sound with headphones |
| 12:35.10 | infernox | u are good for nothing trash piece of shit pussy assholes |
| 12:35.12 | infernox | rofl |
| 12:35.22 | infernox | im infernix's brother |
| 12:35.26 | jatt | CoolCubix: yes that is my concern I am not sure. |
| 12:35.28 | infernox | pwn u all |
| 12:35.30 | blondie | well |
| 12:35.41 | infernox | well |
| 12:35.43 | infernox | well |
| 12:35.45 | CoolCubix | jatt> do you have a second computer, with a good soundcard, directly plugged in the amplifier ? |
| 12:35.45 | infernox | well |
| 12:35.48 | blondie | don't turn the volume up high on the laptop |
| 12:35.53 | jatt | CoolCubix: the point, it is a good amplifier, so probably I need very good sound quality from the laptop. |
| 12:35.57 | streuner | infernox: stop that |
| 12:36.02 | blondie | jatt: you could get a USB soundcard with decent outputs if you want |
| 12:36.04 | CoolCubix | jatt> yes, that is the problem |
| 12:36.07 | blondie | !ops infernox trolling and spamming |
| 12:36.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: infernox trolling and spamming |
| 12:36.16 | CoolCubix | jatt> so yes, you need a good sound card |
| 12:36.25 | infernox | trolling my ass |
| 12:36.27 | jatt | CoolCubix: I do have a desktop yes, I could bought a soundcard for it yes. I am not sure which soundcards provide such output (to be used with amplifiers) |
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| 12:36.32 | infernox | but I spamming just only in email |
| 12:36.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-e9f0f2ffe3515582] by mentor |
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| 12:36.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 12:36.45 | blondie | :) |
| 12:36.59 | streuner | thanks |
| 12:37.27 | CoolCubix | jatt> what i do is, i have a good computer with a good soundcard, already on the amplifier ; i send sound from my laptop to my good computer (with esd) and it plays thru the always-on-the-amplifier computer |
| 12:37.44 | mentor | he wasn't very good at that, was he? |
| 12:37.53 | streuner | boring |
| 12:38.06 | liable | kids these days.. |
| 12:38.07 | blondie | well... he's probably only 3 years old or something |
| 12:38.15 | jatt | CoolCubix: hmm that's a nice setup. You have a small home network or you connect both computers with a cable? |
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| 12:38.29 | jatt | twisted pair cable I think it is called? |
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| 12:38.43 | CoolCubix | jatt> i have a workgroup with a couple of computers |
| 12:39.08 | blondie | jatt: I'd try the cable and see if it works ok... they don't cost much |
| 12:39.20 | jatt | nice, I think that is the best approach. I haven't have the time to build a small network with my two available computers at home, but I think this amplifier issue is a good place to start |
| 12:39.31 | CoolCubix | jatt> with 100Mb/s it is sufficient, though esd makes a lot of data pass into the network |
| 12:39.49 | CoolCubix | jatt> esd transfers not-compressed wav and plays it directly |
| 12:39.49 | blondie | if you're playing music, install mpd on the machine that's hooked up to the amp :P |
| 12:39.55 | jatt | CoolCubix: how do you redirect the sound (is a command line option of esd)? |
| 12:40.09 | CoolCubix | jatt> on the server : esd -public -tcp -nobeeps |
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| 12:40.33 | CoolCubix | remove nobeeps if you are not sure if the soundcard redirects really to the amplifier |
| 12:40.34 | CoolCubix | on the client |
| 12:40.38 | CoolCubix | i only use mplayer |
| 12:40.41 | jatt | CoolCubix: thanks I saved that one-liner for future reference :) |
| 12:40.55 | CoolCubix | mplayer -ao esd:<server_ip> <filename(s)> |
| 12:41.12 | CoolCubix | all of this documented on manpages |
| 12:41.25 | jatt | nice, mplayer does also run radio stream's isn't it? (ACC for example) |
| 12:41.27 | blondie | and thus use netcat :) |
| 12:41.39 | CoolCubix | xmms has also esd support but it sucks on my network/computers, dunno why. mplayer rocks anyway |
| 12:41.56 | CoolCubix | blondie> that's more complicated :) |
| 12:42.05 | blondie | Nvidiot: what's the error message? have you tried the iptables channel? |
| 12:42.14 | CoolCubix | jatt> hmm, maybe, i didn't try streaming with it |
| 12:42.30 | CoolCubix | jatt> vlc also makes easy streaming iirc |
| 12:42.51 | blondie | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/145 |
| 12:43.01 | jatt | CoolCubix: blondie, thanks for your help. I was not sure if the setup I was thinking of was possible, but now I know it is, so probably I will have lots of fun with my new amplifier :) |
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| 12:43.56 | CoolCubix | jatt> great ^^ |
| 12:44.02 | xingu | jack is the right way to do network audio, it cares about minutinae like keeping things in phase |
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| 12:44.28 | Boknoy | I have a Wireless USB Adapter(a belkins if that matters) and no matter what i do/try.. it will not work. I've been trying to hours. any help? |
| 12:45.04 | CoolCubix | xingu's right, advanced setups are better to do with JACK |
| 12:45.17 | Nvidiot | blondie: iptables channel is dead quiet |
| 12:45.27 | Nvidiot | blondie: and I get "No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 12:45.29 | CoolCubix | Boknoy> what did you managed to do with it ? |
| 12:45.56 | CoolCubix | my last experience with wifi over usb made me sick, unfortunately |
| 12:46.10 | jatt | reading apt-cache show jack I cannot see anything about streaming at first sight (only about CD-ripping) |
| 12:46.20 | blondie | Nvidiot: hmm, it tells me this: iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load match `time':/lib/iptables/libipt_time.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:46.45 | streuner | liable: mpg321 http://scfire-chi0l-2.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1043 |
| 12:47.10 | liable | streuner: i am on dialup atm :( |
| 12:47.20 | streuner | oh, i forgot |
| 12:47.33 | CoolCubix | jatt> what about jackd ? i remember there's another soft called jack, which is not really the same |
| 12:47.44 | xingu | jatt: "jackd" |
| 12:47.44 | Nvidiot | blondie: for me that file exists, which is further evidenced by an iptables -m time --help |
| 12:47.50 | Nvidiot | blondie: That gives the help for the time module |
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| 12:48.11 | jatt | CoolCubix, xingu yes, I am reading apt-cache show jackd now, it is a sound server. |
| 12:48.20 | CoolCubix | jatt> that's it |
| 12:49.39 | blondie | !why is rawrec not in testing |
| 12:49.39 | dpkg | rawrec is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=rawrec |
| 12:51.02 | liable | streuner: mpg321 can do streams / |
| 12:51.02 | liable | ? |
| 12:51.03 | blondie | grr that url doesn't work |
| 12:51.03 | streuner | liable: yes |
| 12:51.03 | liable | didnt know that |
| 12:51.34 | streuner | haxx is down the last days |
| 12:52.02 | streuner | it worked after a little while for me... |
| 12:52.20 | streuner | you don't get the results just in time, that's all. |
| 12:52.32 | streuner | s/down/slow/ |
| 12:53.12 | Boknoy | CoolCubix:Yeah... i wanna go back to Cat5 cuz i NEVER had a problem with that.this wireless made me ditch linux for awhile |
| 12:53.26 | jatt | hmmm that looks pretty nice: |
| 12:53.26 | jatt | http://reviews.cnet.com/Creative_Sound_Blaster_Audigy_2_ZS_Notebook_sound_card/4505-3022_7-31156120.html |
| 12:53.26 | jatt | the question is if it will work fine with debian. |
| 12:53.33 | streuner | liable: knusper:/home/user# mpg321 http://scfire-chi0l-2.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1043 |
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| 12:53.46 | streuner | liable: Playing MPEG stream from scfire-chi0l-2.stream.aol.com ... |
| 12:53.53 | jatt | my desktop is pretty noisy, so I prefer to avoid to use it (in the case I use it to connect it to the amplifier) |
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| 12:54.41 | CoolCubix | Boknoy> now i use an atheros-based linksys wag511 and it works not too bad, although some problems sometimes (but heh, that's linux) |
| 12:55.21 | jatt | (OTOH the cable looks pretty short) |
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| 12:58.51 | kombi | why does "some output" | mail foo@bar" not work in this distro? |
| 12:59.20 | streuner | do you have mailx installed? |
| 12:59.32 | kombi | streuner: let me check.. |
| 12:59.52 | jatt | kombi: it does, you need to configure exim properly (at least a needed to do that to be able to send email trough my free emailer SMTP server) |
| 13:00.06 | kombi | streuner: dpkg says it's there.. |
| 13:00.20 | blondie | kombi: you didnt say what the error was. |
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| 13:00.32 | blondie | !doesn't work |
| 13:00.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 13:00.54 | liable | huh? |
| 13:01.04 | kombi | blondie: point taken, thought it was something obvious such as a missing option or so |
| 13:01.07 | nok | how to save the kernel panic msg? |
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| 13:01.17 | liable | who the fuck keeps changing the fucking factoids |
| 13:01.40 | kombi | jatt: postfix running here..;) |
| 13:01.43 | blondie | nok: camera |
| 13:01.50 | kombi | liable: profanity buzzer going off.. |
| 13:02.10 | nok | Nvidiot: no, i cant see the msg, as i am in gnome/kde, and the msg only print in console |
| 13:02.12 | blondie | kombi: there is no "no swearing" rule here that I'm aware of. |
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| 13:02.31 | kombi | blondie: just the buzzer over here..;) |
| 13:02.40 | blondie | no-one cares :p |
| 13:02.41 | asg | liable: /msg dpkg factinfo <factoid> |
| 13:03.08 | kombi | blondie, streuner: so syntax wise I am ok with "stuff | mail"? |
| 13:03.31 | blondie | kombi: you implied it works elsewhere |
| 13:03.50 | blondie | kombi: but yes that works for me |
| 13:03.54 | kombi | blondie: at least that's the way I handled it for some years.. |
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| 13:04.16 | blondie | so... how doesn't it work exactly? |
| 13:04.28 | kombi | ok, good! I dig deeper into logs now |
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| 13:06.07 | streuner | kombi: -v |
| 13:06.43 | kombi | streuner: ahh! let me check.. |
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| 13:07.03 | liable | asg: i was just venting. :) my bot foo is weak, but i know that one, problem is, last editor isnt neccesarily the one that killed it. |
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| 13:09.28 | asg | liable: true |
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| 13:10.11 | kombi | streuner: very strange, cat somefile | mail me works, but not cat somefile | process it with script.pl | mail me, script.pl delivers unsuspicious and prestine output though.. |
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| 13:14.21 | ManuP | my acpi is strange. i have connected my notebook with ac, but acpi shows, that i am still running on battery. |
| 13:14.33 | ManuP | why is that so and how can i solve? |
| 13:14.43 | blondie | I get that |
| 13:14.51 | liable | ManuP: the acpid log says that? |
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| 13:14.56 | blondie | it's usually because I plug things in and then forget to turn them on at the mains socket. |
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| 13:15.13 | itom | hi all; I've used top many time to monitor process.. for the Threads what do you use?? |
| 13:15.15 | ManuP | liable, acpi -V and my systray says that. |
| 13:15.18 | liable | heh |
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| 13:15.38 | ManuP | itchi, the same. conky is also nice. |
| 13:15.48 | liable | ManuP: if the daemon doesnt notice it, i dunno what you can do |
| 13:15.59 | ManuP | liable, can i restart the daemon? |
| 13:16.06 | liable | yes |
| 13:16.21 | ManuP | liable, how? |
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| 13:16.35 | liable | ManuP: /etc/init.d/acpid restart |
| 13:17.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 13:17.15 | ManuP | liable, the thermal informations are being updated, the power-infos not. this is strange... |
| 13:17.21 | HardDisk_WP | i want to create a debian apckage out of source code |
| 13:17.36 | HardDisk_WP | it's the IRC bouncer miau, and i couldnt find any package for it. |
| 13:17.47 | HardDisk_WP | how do i convert this src code in a package? |
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| 13:18.12 | liable | ManuP: some batteries need kernel modules to poll properly. check linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org for others opinions on your model |
| 13:18.46 | liable | HardDisk_WP: debian.org/devel new maintainers guide |
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| 13:18.56 | ManuP | liable, i now restarted with no use. then i stopped the service. acpi -V still prints me informations. istnt this odd? |
| 13:18.57 | HardDisk_WP | liable, ok |
| 13:20.33 | liable | ManuP: i dont know, depends on your laptop i guess |
| 13:21.08 | liable | @doesn't work |
| 13:21.13 | ravenbird | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 13:23.15 | dorel__ | I want to get info about the /proc/$PID/stat file though I can't find anything in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/proc ... anyone? |
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| 13:24.09 | ManuP | liable, linux-laptop.net is a great site, thx.! |
| 13:25.04 | kadk | how can i make samba password? |
| 13:25.15 | liable | smbpasswd? |
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| 13:26.41 | kadk | i got the package but i don't see any 'smbpasswd' |
| 13:27.00 | liable | it exists |
| 13:27.07 | kadk | where |
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| 13:27.18 | liable | !+find smbpasswd |
| 13:27.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:27.59 | dorel__ | nm, found it at /usr/src/linux/fs/proc/array.c |
| 13:28.33 | kadk | !+find smbpasswd |
| 13:28.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 13:29.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smbpasswd' (4 of 5): (/usr/sbin/mksmbpasswd) in net/samba ;; (/usr/bin/smbpasswd) in net/samba-common ;; (/usr/share/horde3/passwd/lib/Driver/smbpasswd.php) in web/sork-passwd-h3 ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/{smbpasswd.5.html|smbpasswd.8.html}) in doc/samba-doc. |
| 13:29.44 | blondie | !spam |
| 13:29.44 | dpkg | i heard spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), or http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
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| 13:30.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smbpasswd' (4 of 5): (/usr/sbin/mksmbpasswd) in net/samba ;; (/usr/bin/smbpasswd) in net/samba-common ;; (/usr/share/horde3/passwd/lib/Driver/smbpasswd.php) in web/sork-passwd-h3 ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/{smbpasswd.5.html|smbpasswd.8.html}) in doc/samba-doc. |
| 13:31.01 | liable | hrm, dpkg must be a bit loaded up lately |
| 13:31.34 | liable | !debstats |
| 13:31.35 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 13:31.40 | liable | !stats |
| 13:31.40 | dpkg | Since Sun Dec 31 12:05:03 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 12 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 9 commands. I have been awake for 1h 26m 37s this session, and currently reference 37072 factoids. I'm using about 13756 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8.45/0.59 child 0/0 |
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| 13:33.58 | liable | Tchaka: we dont care, please turn it off. |
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| 13:34.50 | RvGaTe | Everytime i try to unmount my usb device, it says its busy... but there are no signs of it being busy... |
| 13:34.57 | RvGaTe | what do i do ? |
| 13:35.04 | liable | lsof fuser |
| 13:35.06 | kadk | how can i use my debian box as a regular drive for my windows box? |
| 13:35.09 | kadk | im confused |
| 13:35.39 | RvGaTe | liable, ? |
| 13:35.44 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: cd out of the directory |
| 13:35.44 | blondie | what do you mean, kadk? a network drive? |
| 13:35.47 | liable | kadk: network share? samba |
| 13:36.05 | liable | RvGaTe: lsof /mnt/foo fuser /mnt/foo |
| 13:36.07 | kadk | yeah blondie |
| 13:36.24 | blondie | !samba |
| 13:36.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 13:36.44 | kadk | i read that |
| 13:36.52 | kadk | and they don't answer |
| 13:37.09 | blondie | well what are you having trouble with? |
| 13:37.09 | kadk | my windows box can detect the network |
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| 13:37.15 | liable | who doesnt? |
| 13:37.17 | kadk | but i don't see any folder to map |
| 13:37.31 | kadk | let me show you a screen shot |
| 13:37.45 | `MooN` | how i can synchronize time ? |
| 13:37.48 | liable | kadk: have you actually shared the drive in samba.conf? |
| 13:37.51 | `MooN` | @ debian server? |
| 13:37.56 | blondie | ntp |
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| 13:38.08 | liable | `MooN`: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:38.15 | `MooN` | tnx |
| 13:38.42 | `MooN` | pool.ntp.org |
| 13:38.42 | `MooN` | -bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 13:38.46 | `MooN` | liable :( |
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| 13:38.53 | liable | !installit |
| 13:38.53 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 13:39.33 | kadk | liable, smb.conf or samba.conf? |
| 13:39.38 | `MooN` | !date |
| 13:39.38 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.12.31 13:39:38 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 13:39.55 | kadk | blondie, http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8318/testkf4.png |
| 13:40.00 | kadk | same to you liable |
| 13:40.05 | kadk | take a look at it |
| 13:40.24 | kadk | im wondering why there's no folder to map |
| 13:40.54 | `MooN` | http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy#Samba_Server |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 13:41.06 | kadk | this aint ubuntu |
| 13:41.13 | liable | erm |
| 13:41.16 | `MooN` | no work to @ debain |
| 13:41.20 | `MooN` | too |
| 13:41.40 | `MooN` | samba server @ debina = ubuntu |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | works @ debian eh? |
| 13:41.49 | `MooN` | yes |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | not hiring! |
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| 13:42.41 | liable | i bet the samba doc works though idf it actually mentions editing the samba conf |
| 13:42.45 | HardDisk_WP | how do iuse the googleearth-package package? |
| 13:43.08 | `MooN` | aa aa a a a a a |
| 13:43.10 | streuner | well, you need GLX |
| 13:43.25 | streuner | !nickometer `MooN` |
| 13:43.27 | dpkg | '`MooN`' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | `MooN`: stop being an ass |
| 13:43.44 | kuzmich | to sosat' |
| 13:43.53 | ManuP | i just installed libapache2-mod-php5 but apache cant handle php-files. where do i have to tell apache to load the module? |
| 13:43.58 | `MooN` | :DDD |
| 13:44.02 | ManuP | aptitude created a /etc/apache/conf.d although i have apache2 (located in /etc/apache2) |
| 13:44.18 | abrotman | ManuP: is apache-common installed ? |
| 13:44.22 | blondie | kadk: er |
| 13:44.31 | liable | !install php |
| 13:44.31 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2endmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. |
| 13:44.34 | ManuP | yes, it was installed when i installed php. |
| 13:44.34 | dondelelcaro | liable: heh. |
| 13:44.41 | dondelelcaro | liable: is that number 6 or number 8? |
| 13:44.51 | liable | dondelelcaro: hah! beat you to it :) |
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| 13:45.00 | abrotman | ManuP: that's why that is there |
| 13:45.06 | blondie | that "install php" factoid is stilly |
| 13:45.07 | blondie | -t |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | ManuP: what happens when you go to a PHP page ? |
| 13:45.12 | blondie | should use apt-get install aptitude |
| 13:45.16 | blondie | erm |
| 13:45.17 | blondie | instead of |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | blondie: it was correct a long time ago :) |
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| 13:45.39 | blondie | recommending aptitude like that will cause grief |
| 13:45.47 | blondie | if you haven't used it before, it'll remove half your system :( |
| 13:45.48 | dondelelcaro | no, it won't. |
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| 13:45.55 | ManuP | the browser wants to download it, because php didn't parse it which is because apache dont know what to do witch .php |
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| 13:46.12 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: follow those instructions completely; it'll work. |
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| 13:46.26 | abrotman | except he's using apache2 and php5 |
| 13:46.37 | blondie | dondelelcaro: sorry but it will. |
| 13:46.39 | dondelelcaro | then substitute php5 for php4, and follow them. |
| 13:47.01 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the apache2-part is in the first line. |
| 13:47.02 | liable | this really is quite weird |
| 13:47.10 | abrotman | ManuP: sometimes you need to clear your browser cache and *completel* restart hyour browser |
| 13:47.15 | ManuP | dondelelcaro, i dont have the command a2endmod, only a2enmod. and if i type a2enmod, it tells php5 module not found! |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i realitze that .. it's still for php4 :) |
| 13:47.44 | blondie | dondelelcaro: running "aptitude install blah" when you haven't used it before will give you a huge list of things it wants to remove |
| 13:47.55 | blondie | because it doesn't think they're needed |
| 13:47.58 | dondelelcaro | blondie: not in my experience |
| 13:48.06 | blondie | I just tried it |
| 13:48.06 | ManuP | and how to do with php5? |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | ManuP: is there a php5.conf or something simliar in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ? |
| 13:48.54 | dondelelcaro | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 13:49.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg, no install php is <reply> To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 13:49.04 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 13:49.08 | liable | aptitude keep-all should fix it |
| 13:49.16 | blondie | dondelelcaro: like this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4966 |
| 13:49.27 | blondie | dondelelcaro: so that's bad advice. |
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| 13:49.49 | ManuP | abrotman, there is a php5.conf in /etc/apache/conf.d/ |
| 13:49.53 | abrotman | blondie: you're running etch .. |
| 13:49.56 | abrotman | ManuP: not what i asked |
| 13:49.58 | ManuP | abrotman, but this is the wrong dir. |
| 13:49.58 | blondie | so? |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | ManuP: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
| 13:50.12 | blondie | abrotman: php5 isn't in sarge so... |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | blondie: if you run apt-get dist-upgrade .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 13:50.19 | blondie | those instructions must apply to etch |
| 13:50.45 | ManuP | abrotman, no php5.conf in mods-enabled. yes, installed |
| 13:51.03 | dondelelcaro | blondie: they apply to etch just as well. If you've got packages which are improperly marked as being automatically installed, just use unmarkauto on them. |
| 13:51.06 | abrotman | ManuP: is there php anything in mods-available ? |
| 13:51.13 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 13:51.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 13:51.17 | kadk | blondie, http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8318/testkf4.png |
| 13:51.21 | kadk | take a look at it |
| 13:51.22 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: follow the instructions above for libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:51.37 | kadk | how come there's no directory to map? |
| 13:51.40 | liable | blondie: running aptitude keep-all fixes it? |
| 13:52.00 | abrotman | blondie: does the dist-upgrade want to install stuff ? |
| 13:52.29 | abrotman | liable: Wonder Twin Powers .. ACTIVATE! |
| 13:52.44 | liable | *shazamm!* |
| 13:52.47 | ManuP | it works. somehow, aptitude didnt show libapache2-mod-php5 as installed. i installed it again. it works! |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | ManuP: enjoy |
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| 13:53.02 | kadk | liable, http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8318/testkf4.png |
| 13:53.05 | kadk | how come there's no directory to map? |
| 13:53.07 | ManuP | where is the php.ini (sorry, i only know from windows) located? |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | ManuP: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:53.42 | blondie | liable: well I suppose so |
| 13:53.54 | blondie | but doesn't mean I'll be using aptitude anytime soon :P |
| 13:54.00 | abrotman | how comes i don't get an answer?! |
| 13:54.05 | liable | !lart blondie |
| 13:54.06 | ManuP | abrotman, thanks. |
| 13:54.08 | liable | :P |
| 13:54.22 | abrotman | kadk: have you read any docs at samba.org ? |
| 13:54.28 | kadk | yes |
| 13:54.30 | blondie | liable: NO |
| 13:54.37 | tarzeau | is australia already in 2007? |
| 13:54.37 | dondelelcaro | aptitude really is the recommended method of dealing with packages; you're free to recommend whatever you want, but that's what I recommend, and that's what the factoids that I write recommend. |
| 13:54.43 | liable | blondie: no what |
| 13:54.47 | liable | tarzeau: parts, yes |
| 13:54.57 | blondie | kadk: I did, I dont see what that shows. |
| 13:55.19 | blondie | kadk: or what it doesnt show |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | it's showing that his nmbd is running .. but samba isn't configured correctly to actually have shares |
| 13:55.57 | blondie | how am I suppoed to know what his machine is called and what workgroup it's in? |
| 13:56.10 | liable | super cow powers? |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | i have them! |
| 13:56.21 | liable | !moo |
| 13:56.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:56.35 | abrotman | blondie: about that dist-upgrade? |
| 13:56.50 | ManuP | !moo |
| 13:56.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:57.00 | ManuP | !apt-get moo |
| 13:57.00 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 13:57.09 | ManuP | wtf is that? |
| 13:57.18 | abrotman | ManuP: on debian .. not IRC |
| 13:57.22 | liable | ManuP: do it your term. not irc client |
| 13:57.25 | kadk | blondie, there should be a folder under 'haterproof' right |
| 13:57.34 | ManuP | lol, i know |
| 13:57.42 | liable | sure.. |
| 13:57.42 | ManuP | but what a kind of programm is it?? |
| 13:57.53 | kadk | fuck it |
| 13:57.55 | kadk | i give up |
| 13:58.03 | liable | thats the way! |
| 13:58.03 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: it is a running gag, an easter egg in apt-get. |
| 13:58.07 | kadk | sudo dpkg --purge samba |
| 13:58.13 | ManuP | i just wanted to get more informations about.... |
| 13:58.24 | ManuP | pumpkin0, eastereggs on linux, lol |
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| 13:58.58 | liable | the aptitude one sucks a bit, but worth seeing too |
| 14:00.12 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: there are way more... just check the code. |
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| 14:02.31 | liable | whats the samba config thing called again? |
| 14:02.47 | asg | liable: swat |
| 14:03.01 | liable | correct! |
| 14:03.06 | liable | kadk: try swat |
| 14:03.07 | asg | !prize asg |
| 14:03.12 | liable | !win asg |
| 14:03.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:03.13 | robin_sz | port 901 |
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| 14:03.32 | |Bacterio| | Hi |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | ASG GOT A PONY! |
| 14:04.02 | dondelelcaro | is it a magical purple pony with pink spots? |
| 14:04.41 | asg | nah, the blue one |
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| 14:05.46 | dondelelcaro | asg: Everyone's got to have a My Little Pony... http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/my/my-little-pony-perfectly-pony.jpg |
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| 14:06.25 | asg | :) |
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| 14:06.49 | liable | i find it disturbing for some reason |
| 14:06.58 | abrotman | !nopony liable |
| 14:06.58 | dpkg | liable: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:07.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd prize (.*?) =~ s/pony/My Little Pony/ |
| 14:07.04 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'cmd prize (.*?)' to modify |
| 14:07.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: prize (.*?) =~ s/pony/My Little Pony/ |
| 14:07.09 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 14:07.22 | abrotman | i can't get a pony anymore ? |
| 14:07.42 | dondelelcaro | only My Little Ponies. We've been bought out by hasbro. |
| 14:08.06 | liable | abrotman: haha, thats pretty funny |
| 14:08.16 | dondelelcaro | egads... WTF does the font cache need to be regenerated after every single ttf-... package is installed? |
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| 14:08.21 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 14:08.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 14:08.37 | ofer1 | !qotd0 |
| 14:08.37 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
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| 14:10.04 | streuner | hehehehe |
| 14:10.05 | infernix | is it possible to upgrade a 32bit userspace etch install to 64bit? |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | did caphuso run off with bob2 ? |
| 14:10.22 | streuner | no |
| 14:10.24 | abrotman | infernix: not simply |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | and it's not really an upgrade :) |
| 14:10.43 | abrotman | erm .. an upgrade process |
| 14:10.51 | infernix | no way of apt-get install --reinstall $package for all $packages installed with a different arch? |
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| 14:10.52 | liable | 50 weeks not seen |
| 14:10.54 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:10.56 | azeem | infernix: no |
| 14:11.17 | liable | infernix: you had an evil twin tonight |
| 14:11.23 | infernix | i did? |
| 14:11.32 | streuner | abrotman: s/bob2/greycat/ |
| 14:11.34 | abrotman | he had twins |
| 14:11.37 | liable | yeah, a troll |
| 14:11.43 | infernix | odd, i was asleep |
| 14:11.45 | infernix | what'd i miss? |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | streuner: they're living with elvis |
| 14:12.05 | streuner | heh |
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| 14:12.09 | azeem | while bob2 is living with Jim Morrison |
| 14:12.31 | streuner | jim is dead and he is in Paris |
| 14:12.42 | streuner | so i don't see any realtionship to both |
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| 14:13.26 | azeem | streuner: that's disputed |
| 14:13.28 | azeem | anyway |
| 14:13.42 | liable | that jim is dead? |
| 14:14.13 | pingouin | hopefully ;) |
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| 14:14.24 | blerk | heya, i've just upgraded php4 to php5 on this webserver and some clients have their euro signs displayed as question marks now, anyone know whats causing this and how to fix it? |
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| 14:14.57 | streuner | liable: sure, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison |
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| 14:15.39 | psychoslave | so nobody have an idea about why my video camera doesn't work if I'm not root? |
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| 14:15.53 | Givade2 | bin ma dr ~1h weg |
| 14:16.02 | blondie | Givade2: english |
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| 14:16.11 | blondie | !DE |
| 14:16.11 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 14:16.36 | pingouin | psychoslave: DV ? |
| 14:16.43 | psychoslave | yes |
| 14:17.11 | pumpkin0 | !tell Givade about away |
| 14:17.18 | pumpkin0 | !tell Givade2 about away |
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| 14:17.45 | psychoslave | when I run kino with a normal user it says it doesn't have r/w access to /dev/raw1394 |
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| 14:18.07 | liable | moo! |
| 14:18.12 | blondie | liable: no |
| 14:18.26 | liable | blondie: baa? |
| 14:18.40 | pumpkin0 | psychoslave: so ... are the permissions for that file right ? |
| 14:18.41 | pingouin | psychoslave: i guess you chmod the /dev/raw to have access ? |
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| 14:19.06 | psychoslave | pingouin, I tried yes |
| 14:19.30 | liable | its root:disk |
| 14:19.40 | liable | its cant be the correct dev to acces it |
| 14:19.45 | psychoslave | but if I unplug/plug the camera the permissions come back |
| 14:19.57 | pingouin | psychoslave: and then, logout/login ? |
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| 14:20.03 | pumpkin0 | psychoslave: which group is that file in ? |
| 14:20.13 | pingouin | psychoslave: what ? permissions get back ?! is it possible ? |
| 14:20.28 | MatBoy | damn, I hope there will be soon a newer debian version of Skype :( |
| 14:20.32 | pumpkin0 | pingouin: it is perfectly normal with udev/devfs. |
| 14:20.36 | psychoslave | psychoslave@locathah:~$ ls -l /dev/raw1394 |
| 14:20.36 | psychoslave | crw-rw---- 1 root disk 171, 0 2006-12-31 13:13 /dev/raw1394 |
| 14:20.37 | liable | udev rule |
| 14:20.45 | streuner | MatBoy: you telling the wrong people... |
| 14:20.58 | abrotman | liable: do you guys have fireworks on Australia Day ? |
| 14:21.01 | pumpkin0 | psychoslave: run "id". Does that show you in the "disk"-group ? |
| 14:21.12 | MatBoy | streuner, nah no... if we all hope.. it maybe goes faster :p |
| 14:21.12 | pingouin | MatBoy: Skype sucks... |
| 14:21.20 | phogg | MatBoy: skype is junk, use anything else instead |
| 14:21.25 | blondie | use a phone |
| 14:21.26 | liable | abrotman: yep, its actually usually the biggest fireworks day |
| 14:21.28 | MatBoy | pingouin, never felt it |
| 14:21.37 | pingouin | MatBoy: can you |
| 14:21.37 | psychoslave | psychoslave@locathah:~$ id |
| 14:21.37 | psychoslave | uid=1000(psychoslave) gid=1000(psychoslave) groupes=20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(powerdev),109(camera),110(scanner),1000(psychoslave),1002(burning) |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | liable: just wondering since NYE seems to generate a lot of fireworks in .au |
| 14:21.55 | MatBoy | pingouin, if a woman does, i can also |
| 14:22.08 | pumpkin0 | psychoslave: become root and add yourself to the dick-group. Then log out and back in. |
| 14:22.13 | pingouin | MatBoy: aahh the upcomming of woman ... |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | pumpkin0: disk .. not dick |
| 14:22.22 | psychoslave | no I removed me from the disk group because someone said me it was a bad idea to do it |
| 14:22.33 | liable | abrotman: nye is pissup, australia day is fireworks (mostly) |
| 14:22.34 | MatBoy | pingouin, woman are great :) |
| 14:22.42 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: hmmm... depends on the preferences. |
| 14:22.43 | abrotman | pumpkin0: and i'm not in the disk group |
| 14:22.43 | psychoslave | I allready tried this pingouin |
| 14:22.50 | pingouin | MatBoy: you dont know them so ;) |
| 14:22.54 | liable | !disk group |
| 14:22.58 | liable | meh |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | and afaik .. normal people shouldn't be in the disk group |
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| 14:23.13 | liable | thats not a group that users should be in |
| 14:23.24 | liable | it has direct acces to disks |
| 14:23.58 | MatBoy | pingouin, yeah I do... I always quite after the first time of sex :P |
| 14:24.07 | MatBoy | quit |
| 14:24.31 | pingouin | MatBoy: happy 4 U |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | MatBoy: you forgot your / :) |
| 14:24.47 | pumpkin0 | liable: the other way around is reconfiguring udev/devfs/wathever he has. That is more complex and error-prone. |
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| 14:25.08 | MatBoy | pingouin, hehe :P |
| 14:25.19 | abrotman | pumpkin0: until your user makes a booboo and kills your disk ? |
| 14:25.22 | dorel__ | I thought I would find in /proc/<pid>/stat the measure of disk i/o usage per process but I don't... maybe I'm just missing it, but it's all on man 5 proc. |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | !tell psychoslave about udev rules |
| 14:25.48 | liable | pumpkin0: i think the dev should be mounted elsewhere, but seeing as he is in video and camera and i havent seen his dmesg, who knows |
| 14:26.07 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: or he runs amok in udev-config and does no longer boot ... |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | fine .. i'll just stay out of it .. you do whatever you want |
| 14:26.44 | liable | he has to do some serious fuckage in udev rules to stop boot |
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| 14:31.40 | liable | 28 minutes to go! |
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| 14:31.48 | Nanar_Duff | hi all ! |
| 14:32.04 | dvs | liable: 16 hours, 27 minutes to go! |
| 14:32.09 | liable | i have no idea why i should be excited about that |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | liable: you get to kiss your sheep ? :) |
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| 14:33.24 | lvalue | ok guys, i have a problem with tetex-base tetex-bin tex-common that get installed each time i do apt-get dist-upgrade.. any idea how to permanently get rid of them ? |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | lvalue: uninstall them ? |
| 14:33.50 | liable | lvalue: hehe, still trying? |
| 14:33.57 | liable | rdepends |
| 14:34.09 | liable | and remove whatever is depending on it |
| 14:34.09 | me_here | |
| 14:34.17 | lvalue | then i usually remove them and the moment i do apt-get dist-upgrade again, they get selected for installation again and again and again.. |
| 14:34.45 | liable | !rdepends tetex-base |
| 14:35.02 | liable | hrm, does dpkg do rdepends? |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | no |
| 14:35.18 | liable | i was sure it did.. |
| 14:35.32 | abrotman | i don't think so ... |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | just wait and see? :) |
| 14:35.41 | enouf | liable: apt-rdepends |
| 14:35.42 | lvalue | i think those packages qualify for the first linux virus.. i can't get rid of them, they keep coming |
| 14:35.53 | abrotman | lvalue: run stable ? |
| 14:35.58 | lvalue | unstable |
| 14:36.02 | liable | enouf: i meant the bot |
| 14:36.08 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | lvalue: no .. i'm telling you to run stable :) |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | lvalue: so they get reinstalled every time you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:38.04 | lvalue | yep :) |
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| 14:38.07 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 14:38.07 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 14:38.22 | abrotman | lvalue: are there errors when they install ? |
| 14:39.58 | raf256 | ldevl or hwtux - which is good name for linux hardware portal? ldevl=linux dev list hw=hardware tux=linux |
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| 14:40.04 | lvalue | abrotman, no |
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| 14:40.33 | abrotman | raf256: is this a Debian question ? |
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| 14:41.16 | ManuP | in my php-file is the first line: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>, apache gives this line to the php-interpreter, which prints an error-msg. of course. somehow i must turn the "quicktag" (<?) off and only allow <?php. how do i do this? |
| 14:41.32 | raf256 | abrotman: ldevl or hwtux - which would make better DEBIAN name for DEBIAN package that contains docs on linux hardware |
| 14:41.39 | raf256 | or lldef |
| 14:41.41 | raf256 | * lldev |
| 14:41.53 | liable | tuxluv! |
| 14:41.53 | abrotman | ManuP: that's a PHP development question .. ask ##php |
| 14:42.15 | ManuP | ok |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | aussie |
| 14:42.24 | liable | oi oi oi |
| 14:43.08 | raf256 | wow thanks |
| 14:44.55 | AeonLibrarian | hup holland |
| 14:46.09 | streuner | WM is over |
| 14:46.26 | peterrus | LOL |
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| 14:46.46 | peterrus | for him, it never dies |
| 14:48.24 | lvalue | humm, so i need to check apt-cache rdepends to find packages that depend on a particular package ? |
| 14:49.05 | lvalue | if this is so, i just tried to remove all packages depending on the 2 tetex packages, no luck, none installed :) |
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| 14:49.35 | AoA | can somebody send me xorg.conf with modeline ? or paste me on pastebin |
| 14:50.48 | streuner | !drxx AoA |
| 14:50.49 | dpkg | AoA: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:51.11 | AoA | no help I see |
| 14:51.24 | abrotman | lvalue: those are direct rdeps |
| 14:51.58 | lvalue | does the packaging system support indirect ones too? |
| 14:52.02 | streuner | AoA: so give us more infos, what do you need, what doesn't work.... |
| 14:52.29 | AoA | streuner I want to ha 1024x786 at 75Hz, not 85 |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | lvalue: are they installed right now ? |
| 14:52.58 | lvalue | no, but i can install them |
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| 14:53.24 | ErenTurkay | hi all |
| 14:53.25 | streuner | AoA: edit "VertRefresh 60-85" |
| 14:53.32 | lvalue | i have installed them at least 5 times in the last 24 hours :) |
| 14:53.42 | ErenTurkay | is there an how-to for packaging ? e.g Hello world package in debian :P |
| 14:53.42 | abrotman | lvalue: apt-get update && apt-get install <stupid packages> && apt-get dist-upgrade .. paste the output |
| 14:53.51 | streuner | AoA: in Section "Monitor" |
| 14:53.53 | abrotman | !tell ErenTurkay about mg |
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| 14:54.25 | peppe123 | Is there a default firewall installed with etch? |
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| 14:54.42 | AoA | streuner let me try |
| 14:54.50 | liable | peppe123: its in the kernel, valled iptables |
| 14:54.51 | abrotman | there isn't stuff listening |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | liable: you're cutoff! |
| 14:55.09 | ofer1 | peppe123, if you want something with GUI, try firestarter. that's a GUI for iptables. |
| 14:55.10 | liable | peppe123: if you want something to manage it, then you need to install it |
| 14:55.16 | blondie | no no no |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | liable: do you know the words to Auld Lang Syne ? |
| 14:55.21 | liable | abrotman: from what? |
| 14:55.23 | blondie | iptables is the program that manages it |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | from the song |
| 14:55.28 | blondie | the firewall is called netfilter :) |
| 14:55.42 | peppe123 | oh, now i got confused |
| 14:55.46 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 14:55.47 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 14:56.03 | blondie | peppe123: the linux kernel contains a firewall. |
| 14:56.03 | liable | abrotman: /me draws a mental blank |
| 14:56.13 | blondie | it's a silly song for new years day or something. |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | liable: the song everyone hums when the ball drops :) |
| 14:56.41 | peppe123 | so how do I see and manage ports? |
| 14:56.44 | liable | abrotman: i know what you mean, but i cant remember the words |
| 14:56.49 | lvalue | abrotman, just a second.. it's installing. |
| 14:57.00 | blondie | peppe123: you create rules with iptables |
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| 14:57.23 | abrotman | liable: just wondering |
| 14:57.36 | liable | peppe123: gaurddog or firestarter, or shorewall or firehol. google those things |
| 14:57.46 | liable | guarddog |
| 14:57.48 | peterrus | !tell peterrus nvidia etch |
| 14:57.56 | liable | about.. |
| 14:58.10 | peterrus | !tell peterrus about nvidia etch |
| 14:58.11 | peppe123 | which one is easiest? |
| 14:58.12 | blondie | /msg dpkg nvidia etch |
| 14:58.14 | liable | !tell peppe123 about selftell |
| 14:58.21 | peterrus | blondie, that doesnt work |
| 14:58.26 | blondie | peterrus: it works fine. |
| 14:58.36 | peterrus | well still not for me :/ |
| 14:58.41 | blondie | ok |
| 14:58.46 | blondie | that means there is no such factoid :P |
| 14:58.58 | abrotman | !tell peterrooney about selftell |
| 14:59.00 | liable | etch nvidia |
| 14:59.08 | liable | !lose abrotman |
| 14:59.08 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
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| 14:59.10 | abrotman | !tell peterrooney about etch nvidia |
| 14:59.16 | liable | oh, lose me!! |
| 14:59.27 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | i missed! |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | !tell peterrus about etch nvidia |
| 15:00.00 | liable | well, thats it |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | peterrooney: you didn't want that .. sorry :) |
| 15:00.01 | peterrus | i know |
| 15:00.01 | peterrus | xD |
| 15:00.01 | lvalue | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/WLOkAh43.html |
| 15:00.03 | AeonLibrarian | xD |
| 15:00.07 | peppe123 | thx all |
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| 15:00.16 | blondie | people need to choose nicks that aren't their names :P |
| 15:00.29 | AeonLibrarian | yours is |
| 15:00.37 | blondie | nope |
| 15:00.44 | AeonLibrarian | hell yes =) |
| 15:00.45 | blondie | get back to your books. |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | lvalue: i don't see it being installed in the dist-upgrade |
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| 15:01.04 | liable | Mon Jan 1 00:01:36 WST 2007 |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | lvalue: do you have packages on hold ? |
| 15:01.14 | liable | time for bed |
| 15:01.35 | peterrus | blondie, pwned! :D |
| 15:01.47 | lvalue | abrotman, the point is.. when i remove them, and i do dist-upgrade then they are removed, they get selected for installation |
| 15:01.55 | blondie | ... |
| 15:02.07 | peterrus | !praise blondie |
| 15:02.21 | peterrus | !slap AeonLibrarian |
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| 15:02.40 | lvalue | abrotman, i don't know if i have packages on hold.. if they are, i didn't do it manually |
| 15:02.41 | abrotman | lvalue: paste apt-get --purge remove <stubborn bastard packages> |
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| 15:03.17 | abrotman | blondie: we all have our dreams ... |
| 15:03.30 | AeonLibrarian | muhhhahaha |
| 15:03.30 | Ebb | test |
| 15:03.32 | peterrus | !slap AeonLibrarian |
| 15:03.44 | peterrus | Ebb, it works |
| 15:03.49 | Ebb | yes |
| 15:04.04 | Ebb | juhuuu |
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| 15:04.25 | AeonLibrarian | !slap peterrus over and over |
| 15:04.26 | peterrus | AeonLibrarian, i hit you twice, dont make me do it again! |
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| 15:04.36 | AeonLibrarian | okok |
| 15:04.38 | peterrus | you cant even use it well |
| 15:04.47 | peterrus | you oilball |
| 15:04.47 | liable | cut it out kids |
| 15:04.52 | peterrus | yes sir |
| 15:04.59 | AeonLibrarian | affermative |
| 15:05.48 | lvalue | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/KXTxYn28.html |
| 15:06.03 | liable | rdepends!! |
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| 15:07.21 | Ebb | Hi! Does anybody know, how to activate password authentication after screen locking? |
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| 15:07.38 | azeem | Ebb: which desktop? |
| 15:07.49 | Ebb | sry gnome |
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| 15:08.05 | azeem | it should be configurable in the preferences |
| 15:08.09 | Flash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.09 | liable | gksu gdm-setup |
| 15:08.12 | abrotman | lvalue: dpkg --get-selections | grep tetex-bin |
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| 15:08.45 | lvalue | no output |
| 15:08.46 | Ebb | Flash_, I think no! |
| 15:09.03 | Ebb | Flash_, i dont use xscreensaver |
| 15:09.08 | blondie | abrotman: make two new ones. |
| 15:09.12 | boodie | Happy new year |
| 15:09.13 | liable | #goats and #cheese? |
| 15:09.20 | peterrus | ... |
| 15:09.33 | peterrus | #invent-new-ways-to-greet |
| 15:09.46 | abrotman | blondie: no .. i went to #epiphany .. noone .. but #gnome-debian has azeem! |
| 15:09.53 | blondie | shocking |
| 15:10.00 | AeonLibrarian | #kick in the anal area greet |
| 15:10.28 | Flash_ | ebb, i meant xs has that functionality, but you can prolly find better way |
| 15:10.53 | peterrus | so it looks like the new debian release wont come in december? |
| 15:10.55 | Ebb | Flash_, ah |
| 15:11.02 | liable | gksu gdmsetup |
| 15:11.57 | lvalue | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/hdKVVp48.html |
| 15:12.10 | liable | thats not it anyway.. |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | lvalue: hey .. that's not normal |
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| 15:13.18 | AeonLibrarian | http://rotten.com/failedmission |
| 15:13.37 | AeonLibrarian | this was a debian courier shot by a windoze sniper |
| 15:13.37 | peterrus | OMG |
| 15:13.59 | liable | AeonLibrarian: stop being a dick |
| 15:14.04 | peterrus | indeed |
| 15:14.05 | peterrus | omg |
| 15:14.05 | me_here | how do i enable interpretation of alt keys as meta ? |
| 15:14.08 | peterrus | your on my ip |
| 15:14.17 | peterrus | **** |
| 15:14.39 | me_here | there was some option to enable somewhere but i can't remember |
| 15:14.54 | liable | xbindkeys? |
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| 15:16.14 | abrotman | lvalue: that's very not normal |
| 15:17.00 | azeem | peterrus, AeonLibrarian: if you're two seperate individuals, please try to not appear as trolls |
| 15:17.04 | azeem | otherwise, make up your mind |
| 15:17.22 | abrotman | lvalue: if you apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage .. anything else come in? |
| 15:17.39 | peterrus | azeem, yeah, but AeonLibrarian is a bit new to IRC so he needs some slapping -_- i told him to behave |
| 15:17.53 | lvalue | abrotman, this xserver-xorg-video-savage is just an update from a few hours that just got available |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | lvalue: i take that back about being abnormal |
| 15:18.39 | azeem | peterrus: then do it off-channel |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | lvalue: dpkg -l tetex-bin | tail -1 |
| 15:18.48 | peterrus | yes sir |
| 15:18.49 | lvalue | xserver-xorg-video-savage is "normal".. but the rest gets already weird |
| 15:19.31 | lvalue | abrotman, pn tetex-bin <none> (no description available) |
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| 15:19.53 | liable | laters |
| 15:20.29 | lvalue | and it's the same for the other packages |
| 15:21.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:21.53 | enouf | me_here: look at man xmodmap, loadkeys, setxkbmap, etc |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | lvalue: can't you just leave them installed? :) |
| 15:22.09 | peterrus | -_- |
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| 15:23.12 | AeonLibrarian | ok, im done slapping, i think i can behave again |
| 15:23.58 | blondie | you didnt sleep for long |
| 15:24.07 | AeonLibrarian | sorry dear |
| 15:24.14 | blondie | that's ok :P |
| 15:24.19 | AeonLibrarian | yay ^^ |
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| 15:24.26 | ManuP | Ebb, hi! |
| 15:24.38 | lvalue | :( |
| 15:24.53 | Coweater | how do you specify spaces in a directory name when using scp? |
| 15:25.02 | abrotman | Coweater: \ |
| 15:25.15 | Coweater | i did that, it's taking them as multiple arguments |
| 15:25.20 | blondie | you need \\ |
| 15:25.30 | blondie | two\\ words |
| 15:25.36 | Coweater | same thing |
| 15:25.37 | lvalue | i'll drink myself to death tonight and insult the some random package maintainer :) |
| 15:25.59 | blondie | maybe you need quotes too :) |
| 15:26.58 | robin_sz | so . I want to remove evolution from my etch laptop .. but it says it will remove "gnome-desktop-enviroment" as well, which sounds fairly serious .. should I worry? |
| 15:27.00 | kalila | if there some lib in /usr/lib, and one I just built and installed in /usr/local/lib, when I build a package that depends on it which will it pick up? |
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| 15:28.15 | Coweater | blondie: ah that worked, quotes and escaped spaces |
| 15:28.36 | spldart | google is not being my friend :( What is the appropriate module to use for ATI Rage XL? |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 15:28.46 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | maybe ... if not .. make it ati |
| 15:29.20 | spldart | ati allows deb to work but no accell... thanks for that though |
| 15:29.36 | peterrus | abrotman, i heard a curse |
| 15:29.46 | abrotman | i put a spell on you ? |
| 15:29.47 | enouf | lvalue: still have these files on HDD? etc/cron.daily/tetex-bin, etc/texmf/fmt.d/00tetex.cnf, etc/texmf/xdvi.cfg .. that texmf Dir looks like a killer |
| 15:29.56 | peterrus | abrotman, a*i |
| 15:31.17 | enouf | lvalue: the fact that it's listed under "security" (in Sarge anyway) .. hrmm .. maybe as a security update |
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| 15:33.56 | Mooi | I'm trying to enable access to /home/user/public_html through apache. I edited enabled-sites/000-default for apache and changed the directory to the one specified. I changed the directory's and its children's group name to "www-data". Restarted the server and when I go to HTTP, I get a 403. Logs don't show anything useful really. Any ideas?:] |
| 15:34.09 | blondie | peterrus: it's annoying that AMD bought ATI. it creates a conflict |
| 15:34.20 | abrotman | but intel? |
| 15:34.21 | peterrus | indeed |
| 15:34.23 | abrotman | buy |
| 15:34.37 | peterrus | intel has to but ati, then all cr*p is united |
| 15:34.51 | peterrus | buy* |
| 15:34.54 | peterrus | lol |
| 15:35.28 | tombs | could someone help me please with kernel? I'm trying to generate a .deb after the make config, but now I don't find the .deb |
| 15:35.30 | tombs | http://rafb.net/p/kcH5cY99.html |
| 15:35.48 | spldart | woah.... fglrx is NOT the right driver for rage xl.. 8-0 |
| 15:35.56 | spldart | I'mma try a suggestion of mach64 |
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| 15:39.00 | AeonLibrarian | we got the power! |
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| 15:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: 1) is mod_userdir enabled? 2) Are the directories readable and executable by www-data? 3) what does the error log say? |
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| 15:41.43 | snowbird | got no sound |
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| 15:42.16 | Mooi | dondek: 1) checking now 2) yes, the group only 3) 403 |
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| 15:42.38 | Mooi | does it even have to have userdir enabled? it's just linking to a specific directory |
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| 15:43.19 | Fish-Face | Is it possible to use glibc 2.4+ with debian without breaking everything? |
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| 15:44.02 | ofer1 | !irritate AeonLibrarian |
| 15:44.02 | dpkg | AeonLibrarian: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable plz msg me, Eclipser |
| 15:44.18 | abrotman | spldart: the man pages for the drivers say what cards tehy are for |
| 15:44.37 | AeonLibrarian | !irritate ofer1 in his ass |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | ofer1 in his ass: hi every1 who uses gnome thx |
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| 15:44.59 | Mooi | dondelelcaro: 1) enabled now 2) yes 3) nothing useful |
| 15:45.16 | peterrus | this is soooo going wrong for me.... |
| 15:45.16 | AeonLibrarian | sorry |
| 15:45.20 | Mooi | (13)Permission denied: access to / denied |
| 15:47.26 | Mooi | by the way, how do you install Webmin on Debian etch? |
| 15:47.56 | asg | !webmin |
| 15:47.56 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 15:48.10 | Mooi | lol ;) |
| 15:48.15 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: that's not what is in the error log. |
| 15:48.19 | AeonLibrarian | ofer1 why me? |
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| 15:48.33 | ofer1 | AeonLibrarian, you're the chosen one |
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| 15:48.36 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: the error log will indicate exactly why it couldn't access that directory and more importantly, which directory it was trying to access. |
| 15:48.42 | Mooi | I've heard of webmin, an open source tool. never tried ;) |
| 15:48.52 | dondelelcaro | webmin is garbage. Best not to use it at all. |
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| 15:49.04 | Mooi | dondelelcaro: and the error log would be located at,,, /var/log/apache2/error.log , right? |
| 15:49.39 | AeonLibrarian | OK! IM READY! WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO? OHHH MIGHTY OFER1 |
| 15:49.53 | peterrus | mind the caps |
| 15:49.54 | ofer1 | AeonLibrarian, ask my friend, ofer0 . |
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| 15:50.00 | ofer1 | peterrus, mind the gap |
| 15:50.03 | Mooi | AeonLibrarian: plz stop tlking lyk a nub |
| 15:50.12 | peterrus | indeed |
| 15:50.19 | Mooi | use ryl engl1sh, k? |
| 15:50.27 | AeonLibrarian | or dutch? |
| 15:50.30 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: if you're using apache2, yes. |
| 15:50.31 | peterrus | ofer1, mind AeonLibrarian's educational gap |
| 15:50.41 | Mooi | ok, I'll check again, dondelelcaro |
| 15:50.43 | spldart | bzzzt |
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| 15:51.02 | AeonLibrarian | !spank peterrus |
| 15:51.15 | peterrus | thats it |
| 15:51.33 | Mooi | mhm, there's error.log.1 |
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| 15:51.39 | ofer1 | karma peterrus |
| 15:51.44 | ofer1 | !karma peterrus |
| 15:51.44 | dpkg | peterrus has neutral karma |
| 15:51.45 | Mooi | but it's few days old |
| 15:51.51 | ofer1 | peterrus++ |
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| 15:51.56 | ofer1 | !karma peterrus |
| 15:51.56 | dpkg | peterrus has neutral karma |
| 15:51.59 | SparcBSD | hi brothers |
| 15:52.06 | ofer1 | hola, SparcBSD |
| 15:52.16 | SparcBSD | any one knows where is the freenode new year chanel? |
| 15:52.22 | SparcBSD | ofer1 :) |
| 15:52.27 | abrotman | SparcBSD: ask #freenode |
| 15:52.33 | Mooi | dondelelcaro: that's all i have -> http://paste.od5.co.uk/173/txt/ |
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| 15:52.45 | ofer1 | SparcBSD, #freenode-newyears |
| 15:52.45 | SparcBSD | abrotman etah im waiting for voice :S |
| 15:52.47 | ofer1 | perhaps ? |
| 15:52.51 | SparcBSD | ofer1 thanks :D |
| 15:52.57 | abrotman | SparcBSD: doesn't mean you should ask here |
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| 15:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: your configuration of the user dir is incorrect. |
| 15:53.34 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: either that, or you do not have the right permissions on / |
| 15:53.35 | AeonLibrarian | ... |
| 15:53.49 | Mooi | ok, i'll check |
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| 15:53.56 | ofer1 | Mooi, please paste your apache config |
| 15:54.09 | Ronin | but not here Mooi |
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| 15:54.40 | ofer1 | Mooi, and paste the relevant parts from your log files. |
| 15:54.55 | Mooi | ofer0: that's all that exists ;) |
| 15:55.08 | ofer1 | Mooi, ofer0 != ofer1 |
| 15:55.10 | Mooi | I think there might be something wrong with 000-default |
| 15:55.18 | Mooi | ah, sorry, using tabs |
| 15:55.25 | icicled | what's the tool i need to run, to have debian automagically update my grub's menu.lst? |
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| 15:55.41 | ofer1 | icicled, after intalling a kernel or something? |
| 15:55.53 | icicled | yes |
| 15:55.55 | SparcBSD | the chanel is #freenode-newyears :) |
| 15:56.07 | ofer1 | icicled, when you install the kernel it will install the grub enteries too. |
| 15:56.15 | icicled | well, i removed an old one, but the menu.lst hasn't changed |
| 15:56.16 | ofer1 | icicled, of course, if you use the debian way - make-kpkg |
| 15:56.45 | Mooi | What's the default directory for DocumentRoot in apache2 on Debian etch?;/ |
| 15:56.53 | ofer1 | Mooi, probably /var/www |
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| 15:57.06 | icicled | ofer1, i used synaptic to remove the kernel |
| 15:57.08 | ofer1 | icicled, I don't think debian should remove anything. It's for security reasons |
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| 15:57.16 | icicled | oh |
| 15:57.29 | ofer1 | icicled, edit it yourself and comment-out the lines you don't want. it's really simple |
| 15:57.42 | snowbird | does cmedia sound card work with debian |
| 15:58.07 | peterrus | try it i would say |
| 15:58.18 | icicled | snowbird, i would assume yes b/c it is a popular chipset |
| 15:58.21 | peterrus | but cmedia is evil, so i am not sure |
| 15:58.22 | snowbird | dosent show up |
| 15:58.23 | ofer1 | snowbird, yes, I use it. |
| 15:58.33 | snowbird | mine doesnt config |
| 15:58.38 | ofer1 | snowbird, use alsa |
| 15:58.38 | snowbird | any help ideas? |
| 15:58.43 | ofer1 | snowbird, use the module intel8x0 |
| 15:58.49 | snowbird | tried alsa alsa cant find it |
| 15:58.58 | snowbird | kk |
| 15:59.00 | ofer1 | snowbird, did you run alsaconf ? |
| 15:59.09 | snowbird | yeah |
| 15:59.19 | ofer1 | snd_intel8x0 |
| 15:59.24 | snowbird | ty |
| 15:59.25 | ofer1 | it works here.. |
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| 15:59.51 | Mooi | what options do i have to have for /home/uuser/public_html/ so apache2 could access it properly? the options of apache are the defaults |
| 16:00.10 | icicled | ofer1, i found the tool, it's called update-grub, and after running it, it did remove the references to the non-existant kernel :) |
| 16:00.21 | ofer1 | happy new year guys! |
| 16:00.42 | Mooi | you too, ofer1 |
| 16:00.46 | ofer1 | Mooi, edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and search for the word "UserDir". do as they say there |
| 16:00.58 | ofer1 | icicled, it's good to know! |
| 16:01.20 | dondelelcaro | it's actually /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf... |
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| 16:01.31 | dondelelcaro | and if it's enabled, it's most likely not the problem. |
| 16:01.33 | ofer1 | dondelelcaro, oh, it's etch you're talking. sorry |
| 16:01.38 | snowbird | cant find my c media |
| 16:01.46 | ofer1 | thought we're talking about sarge. |
| 16:01.46 | snowbird | going to check outher pc for parts |
| 16:01.50 | ManuP | with which programm can i open .ai and .cdr (illustrator and corel)? scribus? |
| 16:01.53 | ofer1 | snowbird, good luck |
| 16:02.01 | Mooi | dondek: looked there, everything seems to be ok. ;/ |
| 16:02.07 | dondelelcaro | Mooi: it's clearly not |
| 16:02.10 | Mooi | I just copied the userdir.* files :/ |
| 16:02.12 | ofer1 | Mooi, looks okay? PASTE IT! |
| 16:02.17 | dondelelcaro | and my nickname is dondelelcaro, not dondek. |
| 16:02.21 | Mooi | now google taught me to use a2mod...;) |
| 16:02.21 | ofer1 | Mooi, please paste everything you can |
| 16:02.27 | hyksos | hi, someone knows a tool to convert swf to mpeg or avi? |
| 16:02.43 | Mooi | will do in a moment |
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| 16:02.48 | ManuP | hyksos, flash itself. |
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| 16:03.09 | AeonLibrarian | wait i know an swf tool |
| 16:03.12 | hyksos | ManuP :i dont understand, how should i do it? flash-player in mozilla? |
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| 16:03.17 | ManuP | Hydroxide, as far as i know, you can do this with macromedia flash |
| 16:03.34 | ManuP | hyksos, , as far as i know, you can do this with macromedia flash |
| 16:03.37 | AeonLibrarian | hysos; try a screwdriver or a pair of clippers |
| 16:03.47 | ManuP | hyksos, no, with the original macromedia flash. |
| 16:03.57 | hyksos | ManuP :its for linux? |
| 16:04.36 | AeonLibrarian | your clippers or screwdriver dont need any platform |
| 16:04.50 | ManuP | hyksos, it is original a windows programm. but you can get it run with wine. |
| 16:04.52 | hyksos | AeonLibrarian :if you speak to me, i dont understand you |
| 16:04.59 | AeonLibrarian | whahahahaha |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | hyksos: noone understands him |
| 16:05.04 | peterrus | hyksos, noone does |
| 16:05.06 | peterrus | indeed |
| 16:05.07 | hyksos | ManuP :oh wine, hmm no other tool |
| 16:05.14 | Mooi | how do i list which groups a user is in? |
| 16:05.29 | asg | Mooi: id |
| 16:05.34 | Mooi | k |
| 16:05.36 | hyksos | Mooi :groups |
| 16:05.40 | ManuP | hyksos, sorry, you must ask someone else, thats all i know. |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | Mooi: groups <username> |
| 16:05.47 | azeem | AeonLibrarian: do you have a Debian question? |
| 16:05.48 | hyksos | ManuP :ok |
| 16:06.11 | Mooi | http://paste.od5.co.uk/174/txt/ < |
| 16:06.15 | AeonLibrarian | i came here to help |
| 16:06.21 | peterrus | -_- |
| 16:06.46 | AeonLibrarian | but i dont know btw, how to get sounds at the start of enlightenment in debian |
| 16:06.49 | azeem | AeonLibrarian: looking at what you've said so far, your seem to be unable to help more than you add random noise to the channel |
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| 16:07.11 | snowbird | il figure it out |
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| 16:07.26 | snowbird | some were in this messy room should be sound cards |
| 16:07.39 | abrotman | !nl |
| 16:07.39 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 16:07.53 | AeonLibrarian | some one knows how to configure sound/music at the startup of enlightenment |
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| 16:08.53 | abrotman | which version of enlightenment ? |
| 16:08.55 | Mooi | AeonLibrarian: www.google.com does |
| 16:08.58 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 16:09.19 | ManuP | with which program can i edit vector-images (.ai or .cdr)??? |
| 16:09.28 | peterrus | AeonLibrarian, i know howto |
| 16:09.35 | AeonLibrarian | ... |
| 16:09.37 | AeonLibrarian | no? |
| 16:09.51 | peterrus | i made you a startup script before, we can put a sound command in there |
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| 16:09.58 | snowbird | hungry oh found the cat was lost in here for week |
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| 16:10.06 | AeonLibrarian | i mean sounds from tiberian sun |
| 16:10.13 | snowbird | but no sound cards better keep looking |
| 16:10.21 | AeonLibrarian | not festivaal sound-script |
| 16:10.23 | peterrus | AeonLibrarian, then you need to get those sounds out of the game |
| 16:10.25 | Mooi | dondelelcaro, ofer1 http://paste.od5.co.uk/174/txt/ |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | AeonLibrarian: which version of enlightenment ? |
| 16:10.34 | peterrus | AeonLibrarian, and add them to that script |
| 16:10.46 | AeonLibrarian | ok, why didnt you said that before |
| 16:10.53 | AeonLibrarian | peterrus |
| 16:11.05 | peterrus | AeonLibrarian, |
| 16:11.13 | peterrus | because i rock socks |
| 16:11.36 | peterrus | but you first need to get those sounds, remember cheesehead |
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| 16:11.57 | AeonLibrarian | i got the original cd at home |
| 16:12.25 | peterrus | then you will find a .MIX file on it, which should contain all sounds, you need to extract that file, but that is totally of topic |
| 16:12.36 | ofer1 | Mooi, try this: |
| 16:12.42 | AeonLibrarian | ok, im done here =) |
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| 16:13.34 | ofer1 | Mooi, http://paste.od5.co.uk/174#comments |
| 16:13.38 | ofer1 | Mooi, look at the comment |
| 16:14.04 | Mooi | ok |
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| 16:14.20 | ofer1 | Mooi, after every change to apache's config - /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 16:14.31 | Mooi | ofer1: I do that |
| 16:14.55 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman :) |
| 16:14.57 | Daveman | Coming to the city tonight to join in the festivities? :p |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | which city? |
| 16:15.34 | ofer1 | abrotman, NY |
| 16:15.41 | ofer1 | NYC |
| 16:15.59 | abrotman | ofer1: how do you know he's in NYC ? |
| 16:16.09 | ofer1 | abrotman, he said that in an other channel |
| 16:16.53 | Daveman | huhu |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | i'm not in the other channel ? |
| 16:16.53 | ofer1 | abrotman, nope, that's #perl |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | Daveman: are you going to a party or times square ? |
| 16:17.15 | Daveman | BOTH!?!?! |
| 16:17.29 | Daveman | Why, the party IN times square, of course :P |
| 16:17.40 | Daveman | and then one down the street, subsequently :p |
| 16:17.46 | ofer1 | ofer0, hey man |
| 16:17.57 | Mooi | ofer1: ok, what now? I still get 403 when going to ~/~wykis/ |
| 16:17.59 | Daveman | oh wait, you weren't making that up? |
| 16:18.00 | Daveman | :o |
| 16:18.04 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 16:18.26 | ofer1 | Mooi, damn, you sure? I'll have to take a closer look @ it. talk to ofer0 in 2 hours, okay ? |
| 16:18.26 | Mooi | (13)Permission denied: access to /~wykis/ denied |
| 16:18.37 | abrotman | Daveman: oddly enough .. i was supposed to be |
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| 16:18.48 | Mooi | hm, ok ofer1 ;) I will have to ask my hostee to help me out |
| 16:18.59 | Daveman | abrotman :\ |
| 16:19.05 | Daveman | What happened? |
| 16:19.12 | Daveman | You changed... [plans] |
| 16:19.13 | abrotman | i had a rough week last week :) |
| 16:19.18 | Daveman | Ah :| |
| 16:19.21 | Daveman | Sorry to hear it |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | no .. i mean .. it was self-inflicted :) |
| 16:19.45 | abrotman | http://monkscafe.com/ |
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| 16:20.38 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:20.42 | abrotman | and i'm an old man .. wipes me out ... |
| 16:20.55 | Daveman | :| |
| 16:21.12 | Mooi | how do I fully remove apache2 in debian etch? All the mods and configuration files,? |
| 16:21.23 | abrotman | the next night where it was repeated didn't help :) |
| 16:21.30 | Daveman | heh |
| 16:21.31 | abrotman | Mooi: purge it |
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| 16:21.34 | Daveman | I can easily see that |
| 16:21.38 | latinoguy | hi |
| 16:21.49 | Mooi | abchirk: apt-get --purge remove apache2 doesn't do much |
| 16:21.56 | kuzmich | идите пейте вотку, этч вам всё |
| 16:22.05 | latinoguy | im using suse10.2 wanto to migrate to debian |
| 16:22.19 | ofer1 | latinoguy, great decision |
| 16:22.30 | latinoguy | what do i need? |
| 16:22.32 | Mooi | 86.0kB of files removed? that's not right:/ |
| 16:22.36 | latinoguy | thanks ofer1 |
| 16:22.42 | ofer1 | latinoguy, debian CD |
| 16:22.57 | Mooi | abrotman: * :^^ |
| 16:23.16 | ofer1 | latinoguy, and some past linux experience |
| 16:23.16 | latinoguy | im a teacher and want to teach my students how to configure a pc with a free OS |
| 16:23.29 | latinoguy | im a novice |
| 16:23.36 | latinoguy | i know about windows |
| 16:23.41 | peterrus | and linux? |
| 16:23.42 | latinoguy | but im sick of it |
| 16:23.44 | abrotman | Mooi: sure |
| 16:23.46 | peterrus | who isnt |
| 16:23.50 | peterrus | welcome |
| 16:23.51 | abrotman | kuzmich: are you broken ? |
| 16:24.06 | latinoguy | actually im using suse10.2 |
| 16:24.07 | Mooi | any ideas then?;/ |
| 16:24.21 | latinoguy | i had hear a lot of debian |
| 16:24.21 | Mooi | google helped me out |
| 16:24.25 | peterrus | latinoguy, you need nothing |
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| 16:24.30 | latinoguy | but im mixed up |
| 16:24.35 | peterrus | i was too |
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| 16:24.43 | kuzmich | abrotman, ya |
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| 16:24.49 | peterrus | want debian testing or debian stable? |
| 16:24.55 | ofer1 | latinoguy, just install debian and come back here when you will. if you get passed the installation, you're okay. |
| 16:25.15 | icicled | how would you be able to see a list of files that a package provides? |
| 16:25.16 | latinoguy | ok ofer1 |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | icicled: apt-file or dpkg -L |
| 16:25.25 | ofer1 | icicled, dpkg -S ? |
| 16:25.29 | icicled | thank you |
| 16:25.29 | latinoguy | thanks for your help |
| 16:25.34 | peterrus | latinoguy, you need to get installcd #1, testing for newer software, stable for older but much stabler software |
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| 16:25.52 | latinoguy | happy new year |
| 16:26.00 | peterrus | the same to you |
| 16:26.01 | icicled | dpkg -L it is |
| 16:26.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching it is |
| 16:26.05 | latinoguy | where can i get it ? for the debian page? |
| 16:26.07 | ofer1 | icicled, oh, yeah, abrotman was right. |
| 16:26.21 | ofer1 | icicled, dpkg -S is for the opposite |
| 16:26.23 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 16:26.23 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | ofer0: dpkg -S is to search to see where a file on your system came from .. apt-file can do it for all packages |
| 16:27.15 | Mooi | http://paste.od5.co.uk/175/txt/ < what the ? |
| 16:27.24 | latinoguy | but for example do you recomend me to instalin in the same patrition in wich i have suse |
| 16:27.38 | latinoguy | i mean erasing all the suse system? |
| 16:28.36 | peterrus | latinoguy, not really, try another partition, if debian fails, you have nothing left |
| 16:28.57 | latinoguy | i have widnows also for the family |
| 16:29.12 | latinoguy | how much space do i need for debian? |
| 16:29.16 | peterrus | then sell your family! |
| 16:29.18 | peterrus | sorry |
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| 16:29.20 | peterrus | brb |
| 16:29.22 | latinoguy | lol |
| 16:29.23 | Daveman | o.O |
| 16:29.25 | peterrus | 20GB will suffive |
| 16:29.27 | peterrus | suffice |
| 16:29.30 | latinoguy | that ws very funny |
| 16:29.32 | Daveman | maybe in soviet russia :P |
| 16:29.34 | peterrus | :/ |
| 16:29.36 | peterrus | omg xD |
| 16:29.42 | Daveman | family sells you! |
| 16:29.42 | latinoguy | i have plenty of space |
| 16:29.42 | ofer1 | latinoguy, I used debian on a 231MB drive. |
| 16:29.51 | peterrus | off to eat some appleflabs and oilballs |
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| 16:30.09 | Daveman | peterrus :] |
| 16:30.25 | Mooi | http://paste.od5.co.uk/175/txt/ < can someone explain why this is not working? I want to remove apache2 and fully re-install iut |
| 16:30.43 | latinoguy | i have one maxtor 120g with windows in three partitions |
| 16:31.29 | latinoguy | and un seagate 160 with 3 partitions with two parts as ext3 for suse |
| 16:31.48 | brandon_ | are there any other audio editing programs besides audacity that are just as good or close to? for kde preferably? |
| 16:31.52 | latinoguy | when i turn on the pc i can chosse what OS to chosse |
| 16:31.58 | Daveman | proost |
| 16:32.49 | brandon_ | does anyone know? |
| 16:32.54 | brandon_ | are there any other audio editing programs besides audacity that are just as good or close to? for kde preferably? |
| 16:33.14 | Mooi | brandon_: I've heard of rezound. Don't know if it's good for you |
| 16:33.28 | brandon_ | i'll check |
| 16:33.31 | acid_ | damn, I've tried for hours now, getting Xorg to go higher than 800x600, all my modes are ignored, I've specified vsync and hsync, can someone please help me? My Xorg.conf is available here: http://pastebin.com/848533 - I have installed Debian many times, and I've experienced this a few times before, but always got it working by logic explanations, I can't find any for this one |
| 16:33.34 | abrotman | !tell brandon_ about repeat |
| 16:33.49 | brandon_ | yeah yeah! |
| 16:33.50 | brandon_ | ;D |
| 16:34.06 | abrotman | acid_: your log might be more useful |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | acid_: and don't use pastebin.com |
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| 16:35.08 | rusher | ETCH kicks butt |
| 16:35.33 | ofer1 | rusher, yeah, especially for downloading pornos |
| 16:35.49 | ofer1 | debian is the best distro for pornos, no doubt. |
| 16:35.53 | rusher | it kicks ubuntus ass |
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| 16:36.15 | brandon_ | Mooi: anything for mp3? |
| 16:36.19 | Mooi | ubuntu sux ;) but why doesn't apache2 get removed here: http://paste.od5.co.uk/175/txt/ |
| 16:36.54 | Mooi | brandon_: doesn't it work for mp3? use `apt-cache search audio edit` and you should find other s/w available |
| 16:36.56 | rusher | since I am using testing version of etch, will it automatically upgrade to the final release via apt-get |
| 16:37.11 | ofer1 | Mooi, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; aptitude purge apache2 |
| 16:37.17 | acid_ | abrotman: what do you recommend for pasting then? |
| 16:37.25 | acid_ | abrotman: I will provide my log by request |
| 16:37.44 | ofer1 | rafb.net/paste |
| 16:37.45 | abrotman | pastebin.ca or |
| 16:37.46 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:37.46 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:38.17 | Mooi | ofer1: nothing was removed, at all:/ |
| 16:38.25 | ofer1 | Mooi, log? |
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| 16:38.33 | Jose-M | hi all |
| 16:38.39 | ofer1 | Jose-M, hola |
| 16:38.43 | ofer1 | !hu |
| 16:38.43 | dpkg | methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 16:39.04 | Mooi | ofer1: http://paste.od5.co.uk/176/txt/ |
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| 16:39.09 | rusher | since I am using testing version of etch, will it automatically upgrade to the final release via apt-get |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | rusher: do your sources point at etch or testing ? |
| 16:39.40 | ofer1 | Mooi, it's already removed, apache2 is not running |
| 16:39.55 | acid_ | abrotman: |
| 16:40.01 | acid_ | abrotman: |
| 16:40.04 | rusher | etch |
| 16:40.12 | acid_ | abrotman: |
| 16:40.22 | abrotman | acid_: |
| 16:40.24 | Mooi | ofer0: `apache2` exists as well as all configuartion files and /etc/init.d/apache2 . Is that how it is supposed to be? o-O |
| 16:40.24 | acid_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4968 here you go .. |
| 16:40.49 | abrotman | acid_: (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x1024"; removing. |
| 16:40.50 | abrotman | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1024x768"; removing. |
| 16:41.08 | brandon_ | where is libmp3lame.so? audacity says it needs it? |
| 16:41.27 | Mooi | brandon_: install it yourself; |
| 16:41.27 | abrotman | !tell brandon_ about lame |
| 16:41.35 | Mooi | !tell me about lame |
| 16:41.42 | abrotman | !tell mooi about selftell |
| 16:41.45 | abrotman | !tell brandon_ about marillat |
| 16:41.49 | Mooi | :P |
| 16:41.58 | Mooi | why is !tell me even enabled then? |
| 16:42.30 | ofer1 | Mooi, aptitude install apache2; /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; aptitude purge apache2 |
| 16:42.32 | ofer1 | Mooi, run it! |
| 16:42.33 | abrotman | the bot substitutes me for your nick |
| 16:43.27 | Mooi | acid_: set UseEDID to false in xorg.conf. that should work |
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| 16:44.23 | Mooi | ofer1: http://paste.od5.co.uk/177/txt/ |
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| 16:44.30 | Mooi | and still persists |
| 16:46.47 | Mooi | why did it get so quiet?;s |
| 16:47.11 | abrotman | did you fart? |
| 16:47.26 | Mooi | no |
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| 16:49.07 | Mooi | apache2.2-common < ... |
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| 16:53.29 | marinosi | hello , i have etch on my dell xps m1210 and i would like to know if hibernate operation is supported...does anyone know? |
| 16:53.47 | enouf | brandon_: you should be able to grab it off the net .. I compiled my own in LAME .. then updatedb and use locate to find it on your HDD |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 16:53.51 | dpkg | somebody said suspend was check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 16:53.53 | Mooi | apache2-mpm-worker < how do i enable this mod? |
| 16:54.20 | abrotman | that's not a module |
| 16:54.29 | icicled | an excellent article covering the various "virtualization" technologies: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linuxvirt/index.html |
| 16:54.41 | abrotman | spam!!!! |
| 16:54.44 | Mooi | abrotman: yeah, how do i use it though?;/ |
| 16:54.45 | icicled | no not spam |
| 16:54.53 | Mooi | IBM stuff isn't spam ;) |
| 16:54.54 | icicled | i found it very useful in deteremining what to use next |
| 16:54.59 | abrotman | Mooi: you install it |
| 16:55.10 | Mooi | ok.. |
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| 16:55.41 | aitherios | icicled: thx! |
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| 16:56.15 | icicled | :) |
| 16:56.53 | icicled | are applets in the gnome-panel supposed to take up 12MB each? |
| 16:57.11 | icicled | even when they are sleeping |
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| 16:57.28 | enouf | hypervisor ..ugh! |
| 16:57.34 | icicled | :) |
| 16:57.50 | abrotman | enouf: were you the one using kqemu ? |
| 16:57.53 | icicled | i want new hardware so i can use the kvm module |
| 16:58.51 | h3sp4wn | icicled: Still quite buggy - if I shutdown a vm using it then it reboots the host system :/ |
| 16:59.13 | icicled | that's messed up |
| 16:59.23 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it's a feature! |
| 16:59.27 | icicled | hah |
| 16:59.45 | h3sp4wn | hehe |
| 16:59.55 | icicled | i'm leaning towards Xen, but openVZ & linux-vserver are good options too |
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| 17:00.28 | Ebb | Hi! Does anybody know, how to activate password authentication after screen locking? |
| 17:00.30 | icicled | what would be a good choice? |
| 17:00.52 | aitherios | i stick with xen |
| 17:00.58 | abrotman | Ebb: eh? move the mouse |
| 17:01.05 | abrotman | Ebb: or reword your question |
| 17:01.07 | h3sp4wn | I use xen (on a server) - but I don't want it on my desktop - so I will just use kvm there |
| 17:01.39 | Ebb | abrotman, no, there is no "password" authentication! |
| 17:01.48 | abrotman | Ebb: you mean it's not locking it |
| 17:02.01 | acid_ | Mooi: I haven't set UseEDID anywhere? |
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| 17:02.14 | Ebb | abrotman, yes, but only the screen becomes black |
| 17:02.26 | abrotman | Ebb: that's DPMS .. not a screensaver |
| 17:02.32 | Mooi | acid_: Just set it ;) |
| 17:02.38 | Mooi | for the Display part, I thinkk |
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| 17:02.50 | icicled | abrotman, you can use windows on Xen, but you have to have hardware VT support |
| 17:03.12 | abrotman | icicled: yeah .. i know .. i'm not sure if the hardware supports it or not |
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| 17:04.07 | icicled | abrotman, run: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:04.15 | icicled | if something comes up then you have support |
| 17:04.56 | abrotman | icicled: i don't have the box here ... i have another at the office .. but it's running windows |
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| 17:05.57 | abrotman | Ebbs: can't irc as rot |
| 17:06.00 | abrotman | root |
| 17:06.23 | icicled | abrotman, check the wikipedia article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_Technology . it has info. about processors that have VT support |
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| 17:07.06 | abrotman | icicled: i think it does .. i went over this a few weeks ago with wyzard .. it's a 920 cpu |
| 17:07.09 | Ebbs | t |
| 17:07.17 | abrotman | better |
| 17:07.20 | icicled | yea then it should |
| 17:07.26 | blondie | abrotman: if he can't, how come he did? |
| 17:07.32 | Ebbs | abrotman, sry my screen didnt reactivate this time. |
| 17:07.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:07.45 | abrotman | blondie: he can .. just can't speak here |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | icicled: of course .. i then need to make it work :) |
| 17:08.02 | blondie | ;O |
| 17:08.07 | icicled | :) |
| 17:08.25 | blondie | is root username banned then? |
| 17:08.49 | blondie | seems harsh to me :) |
| 17:09.05 | blondie | I've seen identd play up and say root owns processes it doesn't |
| 17:09.07 | abrotman | blondie: /mode #debian +b .. /lastlog root |
| 17:09.22 | psu | blondie: i guess ircing as root is a bit like drunk driving |
| 17:09.34 | blondie | psu: that wasn't my point |
| 17:09.43 | Ebbs | psu, why |
| 17:10.01 | blondie | Ebbs: exploits in your client |
| 17:10.02 | blondie | !root |
| 17:10.02 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 17:10.27 | psu | ebbs - you probably mess your self up more than anyone else, but still have potentital to harm others |
| 17:10.34 | psu | also, I can't spell potential |
| 17:10.52 | blondie | liar |
| 17:11.25 | psu | ok, I can't *always* spell potential |
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| 17:11.26 | abrotman | Ebbs: if you irc as root .. you can execute commands via your IRC client that could kill your system .. and not everyone on IRC is nice |
| 17:11.49 | blondie | yeah, I'm super nice |
| 17:11.51 | Ebbs | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 17:11.54 | witless | any recommendations for a wireless router? |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | witless: ask #wireless |
| 17:12.01 | ManuP | hey guys, i need some help. in a howto i read "unload your psmouse before reboot and halt". My question: how do i unload this? |
| 17:12.10 | abrotman | man modprobe |
| 17:12.24 | icicled | witless, i have a dlink 614+ i think, and it works great |
| 17:12.32 | icicled | reception sucks on the lower floor though |
| 17:12.36 | witless | nothing particularly well-suited for linux/debian ... ? |
| 17:12.39 | icicled | too many walls and what not |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | witless: it's a hardware device |
| 17:12.47 | witless | i know |
| 17:12.49 | icicled | witless, routers are routers, nothing to do with OS |
| 17:12.56 | witless | ok, thx |
| 17:12.58 | blondie | routers are OS-independent |
| 17:12.59 | abrotman | witless: as long as it's standards compliant .. shouldn't matter |
| 17:13.10 | icicled | don't go buying an 802.11n or something |
| 17:13.12 | blondie | unless they don't support TCP/IP or something ;) |
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| 17:13.17 | icicled | its not even standard |
| 17:13.17 | Mooi | witless: routers don't matter. the ones that connect to routers do |
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| 17:13.24 | ManuP | ? |
| 17:13.25 | abrotman | icicled: hey .. that promise you'll be able to upgrade to spec! |
| 17:13.27 | witless | are there wireless routers that are more open than others? in the good sense :-) |
| 17:13.35 | h3sp4wn | There are a few routers which can run debian (netgear wgt634u for example) but its pointless |
| 17:13.36 | Ebbs | ManuP, HI! |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | there are ones you can flash |
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| 17:13.44 | blondie | witless: yes, some run linux |
| 17:13.50 | icicled | yea, some can |
| 17:13.55 | abrotman | witless: ask #wireless which ones can run linux (all netgear models) |
| 17:14.00 | witless | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:14.05 | witless | (and all) |
| 17:14.07 | icicled | netgear default software sucks |
| 17:14.14 | abrotman | witless: if that's what you want anyways .. i just let it go the way it came |
| 17:14.17 | h3sp4wn | openwrt doesn't though |
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| 17:14.37 | psu | i guess running debian or any linux distro on a router is a bit like the old line on "linux for toasters' |
| 17:14.39 | ManuP | Ebbs, hi. ich habe dich vorhin schon mal angeschrieben, da hast du aber nicht reagiert... |
| 17:14.51 | blondie | "de |
| 17:14.53 | blondie | !de |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:14.58 | robin_sz | witless, the linksys wrt45G range too |
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| 17:15.01 | ManuP | come on guys, how do i unload the psmouse? |
| 17:15.05 | blondie | robin_sz: not the recent ones |
| 17:15.07 | abrotman | man modprobe |
| 17:15.34 | Mooi | modprobe -r <mod> |
| 17:15.36 | robin_sz | witless, see the openwrt project etc, as blondie said, not the most recent ones though |
| 17:15.37 | ManuP | abrotman, with modprobe? so i type modprobe -r psmouse?? |
| 17:15.42 | h3sp4wn | psu: iptables is much easier to use than any webinterface I have seen - haven't seen a decent qos implimentation on a factory firmware |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:15.45 | Mooi | yrh |
| 17:15.52 | ManuP | ill try |
| 17:16.04 | Ebbs | I heard from German people, who know to speak a little english, at least |
| 17:16.37 | psu | h3sp4wn: fair point. I guess I tend to think of routers |
| 17:16.42 | robin_sz | blondie, I am thinking of trying openwrt as my wrt54G forgets its supposed to be on a static IP every time I reboot the sucker |
| 17:16.54 | psu | as 'plug & forget' devices, but that's not always the case |
| 17:16.54 | ManuP | abrotman, thanks. i didn't first recognize that you talked to me. |
| 17:17.31 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, iptabels doesnt do qos. you need tc or similar for that |
| 17:17.39 | blondie | don't use wireless much though# |
| 17:17.41 | h3sp4wn | robin_sz: Never said it did |
| 17:17.53 | blondie | h3sp4wn: you implied it |
| 17:18.00 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, it was sorta implied in your last msg |
| 17:18.04 | h3sp4wn | That was two seperate commments |
| 17:18.11 | h3sp4wn | (or I ment it to be) |
| 17:18.12 | blondie | h3sp4wn: learn to use English better then :P |
| 17:18.18 | robin_sz | fairy nuff |
| 17:18.52 | robin_sz | and lern to spel |
| 17:18.55 | robin_sz | ;) |
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| 17:24.56 | yungknight | when i use /var/www/sitename as my doc root it works fine, when i use /home/sitename/public_html i get a 403 error. how should i set this up properly? |
| 17:25.16 | Mooi | yungknight: exactly same problem here. There's no solution yet |
| 17:25.27 | Mooi | nobody answered yet... |
| 17:25.31 | yungknight | ok |
| 17:25.38 | HymnToLife | yungknight, check your perms |
| 17:25.47 | yungknight | i changed it to 755 |
| 17:25.50 | Mooi | yungknight: you can try `a2enmod userdir` |
| 17:26.03 | Mooi | yungknight: the groups of the public_html folder should be www-data |
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| 17:28.43 | yungknight | i changed it to www-data same 403 error |
| 17:29.02 | yungknight | HymnToLife: what should the perms be for those dirs |
| 17:29.21 | Mooi | sux |
| 17:29.34 | Mooi | there's never a proper way to get userdir working |
| 17:29.42 | HymnToLife | yungknight, whatever you want, as long as it's readable to the web server |
| 17:29.53 | HymnToLife | and make sure the files in it are, too |
| 17:29.58 | robin_sz | whats the echo thing to enable ipv4 packet forwardign ... echo 1 > /proc/????? |
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| 17:30.34 | marinosi | is there any debian package of truetype fonts which supports iso88597? |
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| 17:31.20 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.50 | h3sp4wn | or do it from sysctl.conf |
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| 17:32.30 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, ahh, proc/sys/net ... not proc/net |
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| 17:32.51 | marinosi | is there any debian package of truetype fonts which supports iso88597?I want to use them with mplayer ...If there are any ideas of how to see if they support this encoding |
| 17:33.34 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, sigh .. ok, it was already 1, so thats not my problem ... I'll keep looking |
| 17:34.14 | blondie | robin_sz: I hope you didn't break the internets |
| 17:34.19 | yungknight | HymnToLife: i have the permissions set to 755 and the group to www-data. still forbidden |
| 17:34.45 | HymnToLife | hmm, what is the path of the dir already ? |
| 17:35.47 | Mooi | same problem over and over again |
| 17:35.51 | yungknight | it is /home/sitename/public_html |
| 17:36.12 | HymnToLife | and what's the URL you're typing ? |
| 17:36.19 | blondie | yungknight: what are the permissions of /home/sitename? |
| 17:36.27 | blondie | are they also +x? |
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| 17:37.04 | yungknight | i just used 755 |
| 17:37.08 | brandon_ | what is the prefered DE for debian? |
| 17:37.14 | Ronin | brandon_: the one you like |
| 17:37.23 | blondie | brandon_: whatever you prefer? the standard one is gnome I suppose |
| 17:37.24 | brandon_ | cool |
| 17:37.38 | brandon_ | or should i say Kool |
| 17:37.44 | blondie | no! |
| 17:37.45 | blondie | :P |
| 17:37.48 | brandon_ | lol |
| 17:38.35 | brandon_ | will the i386 version of the OS fully use both cores of a dual core processor? |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 17:39.17 | blondie | what version of debian? |
| 17:39.20 | brandon_ | sweet |
| 17:39.21 | brandon_ | brb |
| 17:39.28 | blondie | the newest debian kernels are all SMP |
| 17:39.31 | blondie | erm ok then. |
| 17:39.39 | abrotman | he didn't ask how to make it happen :) |
| 17:39.58 | blondie | horny? |
| 17:40.22 | yungknight | i quickly changed it back to /var/www/site and it works, then back to /home/site and it doesn't |
| 17:40.30 | yungknight | HymnToLife: it's www.silomarket.com |
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| 17:40.50 | foresth | hi |
| 17:41.30 | foresth | is it really impossible to get php5-mysqli and php5-pdo packages from official debian resources? |
| 17:41.33 | aitherios | hi.. |
| 17:42.03 | robin_sz | yungknight, you have a user called "site"? |
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| 17:42.56 | yungknight | no the user is silomarket |
| 17:43.18 | yungknight | blondie: it is -x |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | foresth: i think mysqli yes . dunno about pdo |
| 17:43.50 | peteweez | I'm cloning /dev/hdb1 to /dev/hda7. dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/hda7 yields a no space left on device error. Problem is, /dev/hdb1 has size of 30 GB and /dev/hda7 has size of 50 GB (bigger)...what is the problem? Also, it always fails at the 107 MB mark. |
| 17:43.57 | Mooi | "[Sun Dec 31 17:39:44 2006] [error] [client 84.9.160.197] SoftException in Application.cpp:303: GID of script "/var/www/leed.php" is smaller than min_gid |
| 17:44.17 | Mooi | leed.php has user wykis (id: 1000) and www-data as the group (~300) :| |
| 17:44.34 | brandon_ | I'm having some support problems with a Razer Copperhead mouse under KUBUNTU, and I'm wondering if Debian will support it. |
| 17:44.47 | brandon_ | it has onboard memory that causes problems |
| 17:44.54 | blondie | yungknight: -x? do you mean lacking x? |
| 17:45.20 | yungknight | blondie: it has -x. you were asking if it was +x |
| 17:45.33 | blondie | yungknight: what do you mean by "-x"? |
| 17:45.36 | jello | peteweez: bad blocks? |
| 17:45.42 | peteweez | jello: doubtful |
| 17:45.46 | Mooi | blondie: `ls -l`'s -x |
| 17:45.50 | blondie | I see |
| 17:45.54 | blondie | that's ok then ;) |
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| 17:46.08 | peteweez | jello: new HD, only a few months old, also it worked fine when I used it as a Gentoo partition. |
| 17:46.09 | blondie | yungknight: and what does the apache error log have to say about it? |
| 17:46.44 | jello | peteweez: strange... |
| 17:46.54 | peteweez | jello: Actually, that would make sense in most cases, just not this one. Also the HD would be throwing IDE errors if there were bad blocks. |
| 17:47.06 | peteweez | jello: They're the same cylinder size |
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| 17:48.43 | rsimpkins | Hi all. How do I disable /bin/sh /usr/bin/updatedb from running? |
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| 17:49.19 | Mooi | how do i change the GID of a group? from 33 to, say, 300? |
| 17:49.57 | rsimpkins | Mooi: just edit the /etc/group file and then do a find for gid 33 and chown to 300. |
| 17:49.58 | jello | peteweez: i'm stumped |
| 17:50.08 | peteweez | jello: same here :) |
| 17:50.08 | abrotman | !why is amaya not in testing |
| 17:50.09 | dpkg | amaya is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amaya |
| 17:50.13 | foresth | is it possible to downgrade a package with whole spectrum of dependencies at once? |
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| 17:50.32 | yungknight | blondie: do you happen to know where it is? |
| 17:50.33 | peteweez | Anyone else know why dd is throwing "no space left"? |
| 17:50.48 | peteweez | foresth: maybe apt-pinning |
| 17:50.56 | jello | Mooi: also, if anyone has it in /etc/passwd, you need to fix it |
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| 17:51.54 | Mooi | ok, thx |
| 17:52.15 | blondie | yungknight: /var/log/apache(2)/error.log ? |
| 17:52.15 | Mooi | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 17:52.22 | blondie | Mooi: gpasswd -a user group |
| 17:52.30 | Mooi | thanks lots |
| 17:52.36 | peteweez | I'm cloning /dev/hdb1 to /dev/hda7. dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/hda7 yields a no space left on device error. Problem is, /dev/hdb1 has size of 30 GB and /dev/hda7 has size of 50 GB (bigger)...what is the problem? Also, it always fails at the 107 MB mark. |
| 17:53.26 | me_here | peteweez: different filesystems ? differring blocks ? |
| 17:53.42 | me_here | peteweez: different sectors ? |
| 17:54.05 | peteweez | me_here: different fs wouldn't matter...it's not an fs-level copy |
| 17:54.10 | me_here | peteweez: look into manual of dd if there are other options you can specify manually |
| 17:54.13 | peteweez | me_here: they're also the same |
| 17:54.31 | peteweez | me_here: differing blocks? |
| 17:54.39 | peteweez | me_here: what would that be? |
| 17:54.42 | me_here | peteweez: rtfm |
| 17:55.00 | foresth | does anybody know if readline-common is system neccessary super critical package? |
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| 17:55.28 | peteweez | me_here: If you had rtfm, you would realize that it does not explain that |
| 17:55.34 | yungknight | blondie: the error was "client denied by server configuration: /home/silomarket/public_html |
| 17:55.38 | peteweez | me_here: but obviously, you haven't |
| 17:55.53 | me_here | peteweez: have you tried other tools as ddrescue or some such ? |
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| 17:56.08 | peteweez | me_here: I'll give it a look |
| 17:56.11 | me_here | ok |
| 17:56.13 | lindenle | Can you connect to freenode on any other ports? |
| 17:56.18 | blondie | yungknight: that's nothign to do with directory permissions then |
| 17:56.23 | me_here | it's named dd_rescue or so i think |
| 17:56.35 | me_here | or do a apt-cache search rescue |
| 17:57.00 | peteweez | me_here: I found it |
| 17:57.18 | me_here | perhaps it will do a better job |
| 17:57.20 | peteweez | me_here: I may need that later, but that has nothing to do with write errors |
| 17:57.26 | peteweez | me_here: it's for read errors |
| 17:57.30 | me_here | ah |
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| 17:57.48 | peteweez | me_here: btw, sorry I got angry a minute ago...I have a nasty temper |
| 17:57.57 | me_here | peteweez: are your partitions mounted ? |
| 17:58.08 | peteweez | me_here: not those in particular, but some from that disk |
| 17:58.11 | me_here | peteweez: np lad, i sometimes get angry too |
| 17:58.39 | me_here | peteweez: any other partitions which are mounted on subdirs of them ? |
| 18:00.16 | peteweez | me_here: /dev/hda1 & /dev/hda6 are mounted, /dev/hda5 is swap that is in use. I'm copying to /dev/hda7, which has no relation to any of the other /dev/hda partitions. No partition on /dev/hdb is mounted now, although /dev/hdb1 was mounted a while ago (no reboot in between) |
| 18:00.21 | enouf | lindenle: try 8001 |
| 18:00.23 | me_here | peteweez: prior to copying make sure there are no fs errors on them too |
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| 18:01.20 | enouf | me_here: (from earlier concerning metakeys) look at man xmodmap, loadkeys, setxkbmap, etc |
| 18:01.49 | peteweez | me_here: fs errors? fs has nothing to do with this...it's block-level copying. no fs errors AFIAK, but I have no way of knowing, since it's NTFS |
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| 18:02.24 | me_here | peteweez: did you try noerror option for dd ? |
| 18:03.04 | peteweez | me_here: I remember that...that is important...NOW I will rtfm. |
| 18:03.25 | peteweez | geez I hate that acronym...it sounds so mean |
| 18:03.38 | yungknight | i fixed it |
| 18:03.45 | yungknight | Mooi: did you get yours to work |
| 18:04.07 | peteweez | me_here: OK I'll try with noerror. It's a write error, not a read error, but I'll give it a shot. After that, I'll try rebooting |
| 18:04.30 | Mooi | no, yungknight. What did you do ?:D |
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| 18:05.17 | peteweez | me_here: I also remember conv=noerror,sync...should I activate sync as well? |
| 18:05.22 | me_here | peteweez: sync is an option too to fill in 0 |
| 18:05.27 | me_here | yes |
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| 18:05.56 | samuel | join #macosx |
| 18:06.06 | Mooi | yungknight? |
| 18:06.10 | me_here | peteweez: i just don't know if you have to specify block counts as well |
| 18:06.19 | yungknight | Mooi: i used the vhost setup provided in the apache default for my site. the problem is not with permissions but with the directory allow |
| 18:06.20 | yungknight | http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/000896.html |
| 18:06.34 | peteweez | me_here: I'll do a little googling |
| 18:06.42 | me_here | ok |
| 18:06.55 | Mooi | o_O |
| 18:06.56 | Mooi | I knew that |
| 18:06.59 | Mooi | something with the config... |
| 18:07.04 | yungknight | yup |
| 18:07.12 | acu | can you add 4 VGA cards (and attach 4 monitors) to a linux box (Debian) |
| 18:07.20 | samuel | ok, ive bungled thing up abit, anyone know where I might get the file /System/Library/Extensions/IOUSBFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns/AppleUSBVideoSupport.kext/Contents/MacOS/AppleUSBVideoSupport ? |
| 18:07.33 | samuel | WITHOUT having to install OSX again? |
| 18:07.52 | Mooi | hm |
| 18:07.59 | samuel | i have the install cds |
| 18:08.06 | Flash_ | samual, you didn't join #macosx |
| 18:08.11 | samuel | i kno |
| 18:08.16 | lindenle | enouf: thx will try |
| 18:08.18 | samuel | ive asked there as well |
| 18:08.24 | Flash_ | Then you're a muppet. |
| 18:08.30 | enouf | lindenle: I'm connected using it now .. |
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| 18:09.12 | samuel | Flash_: but sometimes its "difficult" to get things out of that room if you trashed the god-like artificially intelligent and ph-so-beautifull OSX |
| 18:09.14 | peteweez | me_here: specifying bs won't hurt, so I'll do it |
| 18:09.41 | Mooi | yungknight: what did you do? I didn't understand the article, really |
| 18:09.43 | enouf | samuel: seems like you got duplicate paths appended to each other almost |
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| 18:10.07 | me_here | peteweez: i've never done blockwise copying myself |
| 18:10.16 | yungknight | Mooi: i used the configuration provided in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 18:10.42 | Mooi | I use it too. doesn't make a difference |
| 18:10.42 | samuel | enouf: i didnt write OSX... and thank god I dont use it |
| 18:10.45 | me_here | peteweez: i would do it perhaps for backups if i had a external usb hdd or some such |
| 18:10.52 | Mooi | did you edit to make it work, yungknight |
| 18:10.56 | Mooi | ooh, let me check :D |
| 18:11.30 | Mooi | ok, those files aren't any different I think |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | samuel: you're still asking the wrong channel |
| 18:11.59 | UstasW | sup? |
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| 18:12.20 | Mooi | lol samuel :))) |
| 18:12.55 | Mooi | ask a person who has a mac?:> |
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| 18:13.13 | samuel | im trying, but they seem |
| 18:13.19 | peteweez | me_here: thanks for pointing me to ddrescue...I needed it (not for this problem, but for another one |
| 18:13.20 | samuel | ahem... indifferent |
| 18:13.21 | yungknight | i used it and set the doc root then placed the doc root in <Direcotry /... > also comment out the redirect match, save the file then reload apache |
| 18:13.40 | me_here | peteweez: no problem, happy new year |
| 18:13.42 | me_here | lol |
| 18:13.47 | me_here | in a few hours |
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| 18:14.05 | Mooi | ok, /me tests |
| 18:14.08 | abrotman | samuel: call Apple .. you paid for it |
| 18:15.05 | peteweez | me_here: happy new year, I solved my problem |
| 18:15.18 | peteweez | me_here: I'm the stupidist MFer in this room! |
| 18:15.28 | jello | peteweez: what was it? |
| 18:15.32 | UstasW | fun |
| 18:15.38 | jello | peteweez: wrong device? |
| 18:15.53 | sam_uk | does anyone know how to track down a public gpg key please? this is the repo i am trying to use http://pastebin.ca/298187 |
| 18:15.57 | samuel | abrotman: there is an idea, thanks! |
| 18:16.04 | peteweez | jello & me_here: OK I repartitioned /dev/hda to do this.../dev/hda7 was a 107MB partition, now it's a 50GB partition. But I didn't reboot after repartitioning |
| 18:16.08 | me_here | peteweez: what was it ? |
| 18:16.26 | peteweez | me_here: for once, rebooting will solve something |
| 18:16.30 | abrotman | !apt-key 11F6E468 |
| 18:16.31 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 11F6E468 ; gpg --export 11F6E468 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 18:16.32 | jello | peteweez: lol |
| 18:16.57 | peteweez | jello: I thought partition modifications were instantaneous |
| 18:17.29 | jello | peteweez: normally, fdisk gives you a message that they're not when you write the new partition table |
| 18:17.29 | me_here | ah yes, eheh |
| 18:17.50 | peteweez | jello & me_here: OK rebooting now |
| 18:17.55 | me_here | do it |
| 18:18.36 | jello | anyone know how i can troubleshoot ggz?? It's says "connecting..." and never gets anywhere |
| 18:19.10 | zamuro | BRB |
| 18:19.47 | sam_uk | Thanks abrotman - now it says this http://pastebin.ca/298195 |
| 18:19.48 | enouf | girls gone zombie? |
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| 18:20.54 | abrotman | sam_uk: run it as root and take out the 'sudo' word |
| 18:21.36 | sam_uk | abrotman - thanks |
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| 18:22.43 | Mooi | is there a way to get suphp to work with userdir on apache2 and php5? |
| 18:22.50 | Mooi | what is it? |
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| 18:23.36 | blondie | what is what? |
| 18:23.54 | Mooi | hehe, google found an answer :D |
| 18:23.58 | enouf | that's what |
| 18:24.10 | blondie | ORLY? |
| 18:24.13 | blondie | !orly |
| 18:24.14 | dpkg | somebody said orly was an internet slang, short for "Oh, really?", mainly used to indicate sarcasm or acknowledgement of obviousness.Synonymous with a white snow owl: http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_owl.jpg |
| 18:24.36 | enouf | snow owl's are nice creatures |
| 18:24.41 | enouf | er - teh ' |
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| 18:26.23 | Mooi | !wtf |
| 18:26.34 | Mooi | i see.. |
| 18:27.15 | rosen37 | Please I created a script on debian and I would like to launch it during start and have a /etc/init.d/script stop|relaod... is there a procedure somewherE? |
| 18:27.26 | blondie | yhes there is |
| 18:27.28 | blondie | -h |
| 18:28.19 | muhoo | i solved this problem years ago, but i've long since forgotten how. |
| 18:28.28 | muhoo | how can i fix these chars? http://www.restivo.org/misc/charset-problem.png |
| 18:28.46 | muhoo | i'm in C locale |
| 18:28.48 | blondie | muhoo: stop reading my mind! |
| 18:29.08 | blondie | I was just reading a man page in rxvt instead of gnome-terminal and noticed the exact same problem c.c |
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| 18:29.21 | muhoo | heh |
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| 18:29.38 | muhoo | well, ok, maybe someone here can help make us both very happy |
| 18:29.51 | foresth | please, where can I check my debian version? |
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| 18:30.08 | blondie | foresth: /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:30.15 | muhoo | foresth: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:30.16 | foresth | thanks |
| 18:31.20 | exobyte | When I do "modprobe videodev" videodev can't be found, but it's in /lib/modules/2.6.17/kernel/drivers/media/video |
| 18:31.21 | rosen37 | is there news about etch as stable version? |
| 18:31.29 | muhoo | blondie: IIRC, it was in w3c docs were i found the answer, but i can't seem to find it again |
| 18:31.36 | sphenxes | I would like to boot my system in single user mode (SuSE 10.2, grub). How can I add the kernel to grub menu? |
| 18:31.46 | foresth | and the release number? :) |
| 18:32.41 | enouf | foresth: cat /proc/version and ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:33.12 | foresth | sure ;] |
| 18:34.13 | foresth | thx |
| 18:34.17 | Mooi | lol |
| 18:35.24 | Mooi | i looked at one server's cpuinfo, it was about 3500 BOGOMIPS, an opteron. I looked at my P4, 5500. I laughed. Now I'm compiling somehting on both. Opteron finished almost twice as fast :( |
| 18:35.50 | muhoo | bogomips are just that, BOGUS mips |
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| 18:36.21 | Mooi | ;) |
| 18:36.43 | Mooi | its million operations per second :[ AMDs are more efficient for each cycle |
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| 18:37.45 | Mooi | s/operations/instructions |
| 18:38.11 | Mooi | Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 61119 MIPS at 3.33 GHz"" :>> |
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| 18:38.42 | Mooi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second < "pencil and paper" - 0.0119 IPS :> |
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| 18:39.03 | peterrus | Mooi, (: |
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| 18:39.29 | Mooi | thats such lag :) |
| 18:39.45 | peterrus | I run linux on myself |
| 18:39.47 | Mooi | humans can produce now at 1 IPS when they type :> people with fast micro like me ;) |
| 18:39.55 | Mooi | hehe peterrooney |
| 18:40.00 | ttick | okay, someone just handed me a mac USB drive. I tried mounting it HFS, and that sorta worked -- except read-only, and there's nothing there but a ReadMe that says I need Mac 8.1 or later to really see the files. Any idea what the true FS might be? And if debian has an ability to rw to it? |
| 18:40.00 | Mooi | peterrus * |
| 18:40.00 | peterrus | omg |
| 18:40.02 | peterrus | xD |
| 18:40.13 | Mooi | :P |
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| 18:40.45 | peterrus | ttick, i thought it could only be mounted read-only, you might format it to something else |
| 18:40.46 | Mooi | ttick: when you put it in, try mounting it, and then type fdisk -l with root |
| 18:40.48 | peterrus | if possible |
| 18:41.15 | ttick | Mooi: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 18:41.38 | Mooi | ttick: that should at least show the FS |
| 18:41.41 | Mooi | hopefully :> |
| 18:41.50 | ttick | Mooi: "Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 18:41.56 | peterrus | ew |
| 18:42.03 | ttick | Mooi: even though it's mounted as hfs right now |
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| 18:42.43 | Mooi | hm |
| 18:42.51 | ttick | Mooi: /dev/sda 80285412 80285412 0 100% /media/usbmac |
| 18:42.54 | Mooi | then you might have a DRM`ed drive :| |
| 18:43.00 | Mooi | hm |
| 18:43.01 | ttick | Mooi: :( |
| 18:43.27 | Mooi | wait |
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| 18:43.35 | ttick | Mooi: the guy who handed it to me doesn't know anything about anything. All he keep saying is that it's a "Porche" drive. |
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| 18:43.52 | brandon_ | how many cd's do i need to complete a kde install for i386? |
| 18:43.54 | Mooi | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/13518-using-debian-access-hfs-mac-formatted-slave-hard-drive.html closest result |
| 18:44.04 | peterrus | brandon_, one |
| 18:44.07 | Mooi | brandon_: about 6 more |
| 18:44.08 | guk | what's the command to reconfigure x.org in debian ? |
| 18:44.11 | Mooi | joke ^^ |
| 18:44.14 | cydork | !drxx guk |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | guk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:44.27 | Mooi | !xmd5 |
| 18:44.27 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 18:44.39 | peterrus | brandon_, you need only cd1 or netinst to install debian and then do apt-get install kde, or kdecore or something. |
| 18:44.58 | guk | thanks :D |
| 18:45.16 | peterrus | brandon_, there also is a kde cd (apt-cdrom add) |
| 18:45.29 | Mooi | chgrp: changing group of `test.php': Operation not permitted |
| 18:45.38 | Mooi | this is in my own directory ^^ what shall i do? |
| 18:46.09 | peterrus | like |
| 18:46.11 | peterrus | sudo? |
| 18:46.15 | brandon_ | kde isn't on cd1? |
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| 18:46.22 | cydork | brandon_: which version? |
| 18:46.22 | peterrus | AFAIK no |
| 18:46.35 | Mooi | anybody? |
| 18:46.38 | brandon_ | i'm not sure, r4 i tink |
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| 18:46.44 | brandon_ | think* |
| 18:46.52 | brandon_ | i386 r4 |
| 18:47.11 | brandon_ | oh cd1 will install gnome |
| 18:47.18 | cydork | brandon_: well for sarge there is no kde cd so get the netinstall, install the base system. and /msg dpkg install kde |
| 18:47.31 | brandon_ | i can't netinstall |
| 18:47.44 | peterrus | then you need at least cd1 + kde cd |
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| 18:48.00 | brandon_ | okay but the http mirror only lists 1-15 |
| 18:48.14 | peterrus | at testing there is such a cd |
| 18:48.16 | peterrus | thats all i know |
| 18:48.19 | peterrus | because i have one |
| 18:48.25 | guk | How would I startx from a ssh session (I only want to use x through vlc and there is no kb/monitor on the machine |
| 18:49.22 | brandon_ | will it default install gnome/ |
| 18:49.23 | brandon_ | ? |
| 18:49.26 | peterrus | yeas |
| 18:49.30 | brandon_ | okay |
| 18:49.31 | brandon_ | bbl |
| 18:49.39 | peterrus | so you have to not select Desktop environment |
| 18:49.47 | peterrus | so only base system |
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| 18:50.30 | peterrus | and then, when the install is finished, and you log in, you do a apt-cdrom add, sou you can add the kde cd, then you do: apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xorg, and then apt-get install kde |
| 18:50.40 | peterrus | i did it too, and it wasnt that hard |
| 18:50.47 | peterrus | but i used the net, you have to use the cd |
| 18:51.49 | samuel | does unstable use the security updates repo? |
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| 18:54.31 | xbaez | hello |
| 18:54.41 | xbaez | someone have a core 2 duo processor |
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| 18:55.03 | HymnToLife | !anyone |
| 18:55.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:57.09 | Mooi | peterrus: <-- brandon_ (n=brandon@adsl-69-210-101-66.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:57.26 | peterrus | Mooi, OMG |
| 18:57.40 | Mooi | ... |
| 18:57.46 | peterrus | what a waste |
| 18:57.47 | xbaez | oh ! sorry |
| 18:58.05 | Mooi | I noticed :| |
| 18:58.17 | Mooi | there should be some kind of tutorial to give answers to daily problems |
| 18:58.32 | Mooi | such as the apache problem, which has been somehow solved ^^ |
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| 18:59.32 | Mooi | "91.186.194.244 - - [31/Dec/2006:18:14:41 +0000] "SEARCH /\x90\x04H\x04H\x04H\..........." < wtf? |
| 18:59.33 | Mooi | :/ |
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| 19:00.00 | Madkiss | hi all |
| 19:00.01 | zinx | IIS hax no doubt |
| 19:00.02 | Mooi | some hackers from Iran... |
| 19:00.15 | Madkiss | Does somebody know whether scp does have a batch mode? |
| 19:00.17 | peterrus | you use IIS? |
| 19:00.25 | Mooi | zinx: IIS? two years ago i kept on getting that thing all day.. win/apache2 |
| 19:00.29 | Madkiss | e.g. I tell it "copy all files mentioned in file foobar over"? |
| 19:00.33 | Mooi | peterrus: no way, that's a load of crap !!! |
| 19:00.54 | peterrus | Mooi, oh, you mean those iranian pokeys thoought you had IIS? |
| 19:01.02 | zinx | Mooi: right, but see, with IIS you wouldn't have seen the log. your box would have just become a zombie. or got vandalized. |
| 19:01.10 | peterrus | haha |
| 19:01.32 | peterrus | Windows != full of usefull logs |
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| 19:02.11 | Mooi | hehe ;) |
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| 19:09.50 | peterrus | Mooi, where did you get that nickname |
| 19:10.39 | Mooi | peterrus: my head |
| 19:10.50 | Mooi | it doesn't mean anything to me ;) |
| 19:10.54 | Mooi | just a random sequence |
| 19:10.59 | peterrus | Well , its dutch for beautifull xD |
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| 19:12.16 | peterrus | Madkiss, rsync should be the answer |
| 19:12.20 | Zap-W | lol do , /exec -o sysctl -a , cool shit |
| 19:12.28 | Madkiss | peterrus: Okay, what is the correct rsync-option, thnen? |
| 19:12.36 | peterrus | Zap-W, no really :p |
| 19:12.45 | peterrus | Madkiss, i have no idea |
| 19:13.09 | peterrus | Zap-W, what does it do? |
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| 19:13.42 | nn-main | what is a program that turns a binary file to hex to be stored ( usually one long line) than when told or given the text converts it back to binary |
| 19:14.10 | peterrus | try hexdump <file> |
| 19:14.44 | Mooi | peterrus: cool! :D |
| 19:14.51 | peterrus | hehe |
| 19:15.07 | Mooi | is it written exactly the same? gimme a sentence with "mooi" in it :D |
| 19:15.10 | nn-main | how do i tell it to put it on one line || and how do i convert it ( the Hex) back to binary |
| 19:15.37 | peterrus | Mooi: verdomme, jij hebt mooie schoenen, aap! <---- translator? |
| 19:15.47 | Mooi | :) |
| 19:15.53 | Mooie | :D |
| 19:15.57 | peterrus | lol |
| 19:16.00 | peterrus | okay |
| 19:16.01 | peterrus | exact |
| 19:16.26 | Mooie | heh |
| 19:16.32 | peterrus | "Je reet is niet mooi, vies varken" |
| 19:16.38 | peterrus | translate that xD |
| 19:16.43 | Mooie | ok, I'll have to go now :) |
| 19:16.45 | Mooie | no idea! |
| 19:16.49 | peterrus | too bad muhah |
| 19:17.00 | Mooie | hm, how to open a second server window in weechat? |
| 19:17.18 | Mooie | i'll just manual it |
| 19:17.18 | nn-main | can you mount a (st) device as a iso if it has an iso file on it |
| 19:17.52 | nn-main | (Tape Device) |
| 19:18.19 | peterrus | nn-main: i think you have to get that iso off it, because tapes are not made for random reads |
| 19:18.30 | guk | http://solosoft.org:81/~chris/untitled.JPG <-- Why does XMMS do this is there a fix for it ? |
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| 19:19.35 | peterrus | guk: i think changing the playlist font (preferences) will fix it |
| 19:20.28 | Mooie | ping |
| 19:20.37 | Mooie | anyone hear me?:> |
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| 19:20.55 | Mooie | yes |
| 19:21.32 | nn-main | ok (Aug |
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| 19:37.58 | opensores | Is it safe to install PHP 5 on Debian? |
| 19:38.02 | opensores | Debian Sarge |
| 19:39.31 | findme | opensores, are you concerned about security or php 5 playing nice with other programs? |
| 19:39.37 | peterrooney | opensores: well, it's not going to suddenly up and electrocute you, is it? |
| 19:40.14 | opensores | findme, the latter one mostly |
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| 19:40.44 | quintin | Can I make a PII 350mhz boot from a SATA RAID array ? |
| 19:40.50 | findme | opensores, i have php5 and it works seamlessly. Check #php as well. |
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| 19:41.45 | opensores | ok, it's just that obviously i can't install it with apt-get so i don't know if that will have any side effects |
| 19:42.51 | n3kl_ | I have a p4 ht processor with 1gig mem. Do I need the bigmem or the smp kernel? |
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| 19:43.53 | iNick | I have Etch installed, and I don't have a repository for apt for software updates (I have system updates) -- where do I get a list of mirrors for the apt repositories? (etch) |
| 19:45.00 | quintin | n3kl_: don't use himem with only 1g of memory |
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| 19:45.24 | n3kl_ | quintin: is himem for 4+ gig ? |
| 19:46.08 | quintin | n3kl_: it's for over ... like 930 or so? there are performance hits in other places when you use it. so to get 100m or whatever of memory it's not worth it. if you had, say, 2g of memory.. well then you should be using it |
| 19:46.38 | quintin | n3kl_: as for SMP, I think the stock kernel supports it, but I am not certain. do you get 2 cpus in task managers? |
| 19:47.01 | n3kl_ | quintin: on gkrellm, yes |
| 19:47.06 | quintin | n3kl_: you'll of course get a boost if you compile your own or if you use generic i686 kernel... but really who cares :p computers are stupidly fast these days anyway |
| 19:47.58 | iNick | ...? |
| 19:48.29 | quintin | iNick: .. ?!?!?!! |
| 19:48.37 | iNick | I have Etch installed, and I don't have a repository for apt for software updates (I have system updates) -- where do I get a list of mirrors for the apt repositories? (etch) |
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| 19:49.33 | HymnToLife | iNick, here's my etch/sid sources.list, comment sid out if you want : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/ftp/pub/sources.list_etch_sid |
| 19:49.43 | quintin | If one uses software RAID, what does the system boot from? The first HDD ? |
| 19:49.57 | quintin | iNick: gooooooooooogle |
| 19:50.02 | iNick | HymnToLife: i'm new to Debian -- sid is after etch, right? |
| 19:50.11 | HymnToLife | !sid |
| 19:50.11 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:50.18 | iNick | quintin: i tried google quickly, and couldn't find the right keywords |
| 19:50.52 | HymnToLife | sid is just where they put unstable stuff, it's not a release in itself |
| 19:51.56 | iNick | 'kay. |
| 19:51.58 | iNick | thanks. |
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| 19:53.08 | n3kl_ | quintin: I have found that when you compile your own kernel in debian, there are a lot more steps you have to take for debian to get along with you... =] |
| 19:53.35 | quintin | n3kl_: hmm. dunno there.. never compiled a kernel on debian |
| 19:53.50 | quintin | I am at stage in life when I say 'fuck it' as long as it works and load isn't through the roof :] |
| 19:54.17 | muhoo | i hate to be a pest, but, any ideas regarding how to fix this? http://www.restivo.org/misc/charset-problem.png |
| 19:55.01 | quintin | muhoo: I guess Samuel L. Jackson could help you ... |
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| 19:55.14 | muhoo | snakes!?? in an xterm??!! |
| 19:57.15 | muhoo | i'm obviously missing a font. but... WHICH font? |
| 19:58.32 | dvs | muhoo: I don't think you're missing a font. I think that is UTF-8. |
| 19:58.45 | quintin | no one here uses RAID? :P |
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| 20:00.12 | snowbird | in my boot up screen has two kernals listed one is i 486 |
| 20:00.17 | snowbird | should i remove one? |
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| 20:00.58 | muhoo | hm. so why are my man pages and w3m documents in UTF8? |
| 20:01.38 | dvs | muhoo: Dunno. I know Debian 4.0 will default to UTF-8 |
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| 20:01.51 | muhoo | i'm lost. i really don't understand all the different permutations of character encoding, and how rxvt deals with it |
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| 20:02.19 | muhoo | AHA! that is the problem, it is rxvt |
| 20:02.25 | muhoo | xterm does not exhibit this bug |
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| 20:04.01 | muhoo | heh. "apt-get install rxvt-unicode" :-) |
| 20:06.29 | muhoo | gad, i *really* hate the font that rxvt-unicode uses. it's unreadable in bold |
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| 20:08.23 | muhoo | but everything else works now. dvs: thanks |
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| 20:11.14 | muhoo | now i get to whinge about this: http://www.restivo.org/misc/unreadable-font.png |
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| 20:16.20 | n3kl_ | This is strange. I copied files from one machine to another and now the permissions are all jacked. I am root and I can't change the permission. ?? ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Other Linux 2.6.x kernel |
| 20:16.50 | n3kl_ | Any Ideas? |
| 20:17.39 | enouf | dig a deep hole in the yard and bury the box |
| 20:18.06 | n3kl_ | ha |
| 20:19.59 | n3kl_ | any other ideas? |
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| 20:21.03 | enouf | maybe copy again .. but do it right this time |
| 20:21.53 | dendrite | n3kl_: Try chmod 0600 on the files, and 0700 on the directories? |
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| 20:22.43 | TheBlueWizard | also check your permission mask (I forgot what it's called...gee, my mind blanked out...) |
| 20:22.51 | dendrite | umask |
| 20:22.57 | TheBlueWizard | ah yup |
| 20:22.59 | n3kl_ | dendrite: chmod: cannot access `torrents': Permission denied |
| 20:23.06 | n3kl_ | I have never seen this before |
| 20:23.17 | dendrite | n3kl_: Start at the top of the tree. |
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| 20:23.47 | n3kl_ | dendrite: I can get some way down the tree... |
| 20:24.03 | abrotman | n3kl_: what's the filesystem ? |
| 20:24.10 | n3kl_ | abrotman: reiserfs |
| 20:24.29 | HomeRoey | ha, ha ha. |
| 20:24.32 | dvs | heh |
| 20:24.33 | HomeRoey | frenchninja: nice |
| 20:24.40 | n3kl_ | I thought it my be an ext attrib or something... but I don't think you can do that on reiserfs... |
| 20:24.41 | frenchninja | ;) |
| 20:24.46 | HomeRoey | frenchninja: :) |
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| 20:26.35 | dendrite | n3kl_: So does "find <top of tree> -type d -exec chmod 0700 {} \;" work? |
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| 20:27.21 | dendrite | n3kl_: Assuming no spaces in any directory names, that does. |
| 20:27.54 | n3kl_ | dendrite: no |
| 20:28.16 | dendrite | n3kl_: Makes me glad I don't use reiserfs... |
| 20:28.23 | forda | which is better? Xen or OpenVZ? |
| 20:28.29 | n3kl_ | dendrite: what do youi use? |
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| 20:28.41 | dendrite | n3kl_: ext3 or ext2. |
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| 20:29.09 | dendrite | n3kl_: I value stability over almost everything else when it comes to file systems. |
| 20:29.11 | n3kl_ | dendrite: any other thoughts on how to get to this data? |
| 20:29.39 | abrotman | from its original location ? |
| 20:29.57 | dendrite | n3kl_: Not really... Does that find command fail in the same place every time? |
| 20:30.58 | n3kl_ | no go. I had a system die yesterday, so I set up an iscsi and transfered all the data over, reformatted, and now this. It might have been a good idea to check the data before the reformat, but I pushed like 200g accross the network last night.... |
| 20:31.15 | n3kl_ | dendrite: yes |
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| 20:31.59 | dendrite | n3kl_: Can you mv the one offending object out of the tree? And, since you may have a crumbling reiserfs system, do you have a fresh backup? |
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| 20:32.22 | miraterre | anyone here familiar with xinerama? |
| 20:32.34 | dendrite | !anyone |
| 20:32.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:33.02 | HomeRoey | frenchninja: ninja please. |
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| 20:33.35 | n3kl_ | dendrite: I could loose all of this data and be fine, this is all just downloads and stuff. Lots of custom vmware images and crap though |
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| 20:34.45 | miraterre | ok then :) - I'm trying to use xinerama to enable the vga port on my notebook because i810switch produces a blurry image - can someone advise me on configuring xinerama to mirror the display ranther than extend it? |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | don't you just hit output button ? |
| 20:36.07 | miraterre | lol, that would be great if it worked |
| 20:36.38 | abrotman | it should ... |
| 20:36.57 | miraterre | I couldn't even find a way to tie i810switch to the output button |
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| 20:37.22 | frenchninja | HomeRoey: hmm? |
| 20:37.27 | HomeRoey | nm |
| 20:37.30 | abrotman | it's a BIOS button .. on my thinkpad it's fn+F7 |
| 20:37.41 | netherworld | I wanted to know how can I rename all files ending in _asm to .asm because they are so many that it says Argument list too long. |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | xargs maybe |
| 20:38.03 | netherworld | How? |
| 20:38.03 | miraterre | yeah, don't think that's possible with my vid card |
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| 20:38.20 | netherworld | Can someone give me the full sentence? |
| 20:38.26 | netherworld | I'm just a noob. |
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| 20:38.33 | abrotman | ls *_asm | xargs rename blah blah or something like that .. man rename |
| 20:38.43 | rokfit | hello |
| 20:38.45 | abrotman | try it on one first |
| 20:39.05 | rokfit | the debian install seems to be stuck on 0% of the ext3 filesystem dialog, is this common? |
| 20:39.36 | rokfit | will it just take some time? |
| 20:39.45 | blondie | rokfit: how long has it been stuck? |
| 20:39.54 | rokfit | about ten minutes |
| 20:39.58 | rokfit | maybe 20 |
| 20:40.24 | rokfit | 80gb hd |
| 20:40.31 | blondie | sounds stuck |
| 20:40.39 | rokfit | restart install? |
| 20:40.40 | blondie | it should take no more than a minute or two to format |
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| 20:40.41 | abrotman | captain obvious! |
| 20:40.42 | blondie | erm |
| 20:41.33 | blondie | abrotman: that's "Sir" to you :( |
| 20:41.43 | rokfit | restart install? |
| 20:42.10 | blondie | maybe |
| 20:42.12 | blondie | probably |
| 20:42.24 | multi_io | netherworld: rename 's/_asm$/.asm/' *_asm |
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| 20:42.26 | abrotman | might be some info in the debug terminal |
| 20:43.07 | rokfit | it's a dual core processor |
| 20:43.12 | rokfit | and it's the i386 install |
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| 20:43.32 | netherworld | multi_io: Didn't work. |
| 20:43.38 | abrotman | rokfit: which installer ? |
| 20:43.42 | netherworld | abrotman: Didn't work. |
| 20:43.46 | rokfit | i386 r4 |
| 20:43.50 | rokfit | cd1 |
| 20:43.57 | abrotman | server or workstaiton ? |
| 20:44.03 | netherworld | abrotman: Except with one test file. |
| 20:44.04 | rokfit | workstation |
| 20:44.16 | rokfit | but i believe i selected all files on one disk |
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| 20:44.32 | rokfit | should i choose workstation? |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | netherworld: error ? |
| 20:44.52 | netherworld | No error. |
| 20:44.55 | abrotman | rokfit: did you choose linux26 to start ? |
| 20:45.00 | netherworld | Wait. |
| 20:45.08 | rokfit | abrotman: i don't think so |
| 20:45.14 | multi_io | netherworld: it must work, I tested it |
| 20:45.15 | rokfit | i just hit enter to start install |
| 20:45.21 | multi_io | :P |
| 20:45.29 | netherworld | xargs: citação simples não correspondida; por omissão, as citações são especiais para lo xargs, a não ser que use a opção -0 |
| 20:45.36 | netherworld | Portuguese, sorry. |
| 20:45.45 | abrotman | netherworld: LANG=C <command> |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | or .. |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:45.49 | rokfit | any ideas? |
| 20:45.49 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:45.51 | netherworld | multi_io: Not with about 30.000 files. |
| 20:45.52 | multi_io | do export LANG=C |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | rokfit: try linux26 at the beginning at the installer |
| 20:46.11 | rokfit | what does that enable? |
| 20:46.20 | abrotman | installer with a 2.6 kernle |
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| 20:46.34 | rokfit | what kernel is defaulted |
| 20:46.44 | blondie | on sarge? |
| 20:46.48 | blondie | 2.4.27 |
| 20:46.56 | samuel | hahahaha |
| 20:46.57 | blondie | linux26 gives you 2.6.8 |
| 20:47.01 | samuel | this channel is barely english? |
| 20:47.06 | rokfit | where do i enter that? |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | at the prompt right when it starts |
| 20:47.28 | rokfit | after enter? |
| 20:47.37 | snowbird | ok ssh off how i take it out of boot |
| 20:47.46 | blondie | rokfit: no, instead of enter |
| 20:47.53 | rokfit | okay |
| 20:47.55 | blondie | type linux26 and then enter |
| 20:48.13 | samuel | im trying to import into apt some gpg keys (marillat), it is taking forever and stuck at 100% cpu, can i delete all keys and start again? |
| 20:48.14 | sparr | how can i test if my installation of openldapd is working? |
| 20:48.40 | davi | Is there any aptitude app, but graphic ? |
| 20:48.44 | rokfit | oh yeah, that did it |
| 20:48.47 | rokfit | seems a lot quicker |
| 20:48.50 | blondie | 30000? pfft. |
| 20:48.58 | samuel | sparr, connect to it with evolution? |
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| 20:49.37 | sparr | samuel: ok |
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| 20:49.51 | sparr | samuel: is that going to have any effect with no users with emails? |
| 20:50.23 | samuel | no idea... just a suggestion |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | sparr: slapcat ? |
| 20:50.38 | blondie | I should there's an LDAP "browser" you can get to connect to it... |
| 20:50.45 | blondie | abrotman: poor cat |
| 20:50.58 | spldart | Is there a nice tutorial on getting a 'newer than stable' kernel and installing it on your debian box with most of your old kernel options intact |
| 20:51.02 | didas | hello. I am trying to access this directory /usr/src/linux/Documentation/modules.txt to find some info but it does not exist. This is probably a generic linux path. I need the debian specific path to the documentation. Does anybody know where to look for it? |
| 20:51.10 | blondie | spldart: on sarge? |
| 20:51.21 | spldart | yeah deb 3.1 |
| 20:51.25 | blondie | and what "kernel options" do you mean? boot options? |
| 20:51.31 | sparr | abrotman: is that in debian? |
| 20:51.37 | spldart | all the detected hardware and stuff |
| 20:51.51 | sparr | blondie: ive tried gq and luma, both ldap browsers, and they seem to indicate that its NOT working. unsupported protocols, lockups, etc |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:51.56 | blondie | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 20:52.01 | sparr | abrotman: odd, apt-cache doesnt see it for me |
| 20:52.06 | blondie | !etch 2.6.15 |
| 20:52.17 | blondie | !etch 2.6.18 |
| 20:52.18 | blondie | no |
| 20:52.19 | blondie | duh |
| 20:52.24 | blondie | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:52.24 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 20:52.28 | abrotman | sparr: apt-file |
| 20:52.48 | sparr | ok |
| 20:52.49 | spldart | I couldn't get my rt61 linux driver to work for ish so I figure maybe a new kernel may support it out of the box |
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| 20:53.37 | minerale | How can I delete a package and all it's config files as well? (maybe using apt-get , I think it's possible in dpkg, but I'm not sure if dpkg woud delete the dependencies ) |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | sparr: the docs tell you how to test it IIRC |
| 20:53.49 | didas | hi, does anybody know where to look for this directory /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ on debian sarge? I mean this is a linux directory that does not exist in the debian distribution. Does anybody know the debian equivalent? |
| 20:54.10 | abrotman | didas: kernel-source package |
| 20:54.11 | sparr | abrotman: slapd wont play nice with openldapd... do you suggest slapd? |
| 20:54.29 | blondie | minerale: using --purge |
| 20:54.45 | abrotman | sparr: i've been using slapd ... perhaps ask #ldap how to test .. or which to use |
| 20:54.46 | didas | abrotman: am not sureI understand what you mean |
| 20:54.55 | abrotman | didas: uname -r |
| 20:55.02 | blondie | spldart: try what dpkg suggests above; i haven't tested it though so it might not work ;) </disclaimer> |
| 20:55.15 | spldart | I am :) |
| 20:55.15 | abrotman | didas: what does it say ? |
| 20:55.16 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.31 | didas | abrotman : 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | didas: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 .. or something like that |
| 20:56.07 | didas | abrotman: to install the documentation you mena? |
| 20:56.09 | didas | mean |
| 20:56.09 | multi_io | yeah, of course: rename 's/_asm$/.asm/' *_asm |
| 20:56.15 | multi_io | gives "argument list too long" |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | didas: yes |
| 20:56.20 | multi_io | with 30000 _asm files |
| 20:56.20 | didas | ok thx |
| 20:56.23 | didas | exit |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | didas: that's hte kernel Documentation directory |
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| 20:56.31 | spldart | !bpo |
| 20:56.31 | dpkg | it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 20:57.23 | multi_io | which brings us to the question: in which decade will Unix learn to allocate memory for the argument list dynamically? |
| 20:58.03 | spldart | hrm.. if a kernel only comes in 386 686 k7 flavor's what do I use for a k6? |
| 20:58.33 | multi_io | netherworld: ls | xargs rename 's/_asm$/.asm/' |
| 20:58.35 | enyc | spldart: 386 |
| 20:58.48 | enyc | spldart: you could use a 486 or 586 kernel bun not 686/k7 |
| 20:59.06 | spldart | That denies me mmx and other support in processor instruction enhancments doesn't it? |
| 20:59.14 | rokfit | okay, how do i install kde |
| 20:59.17 | spldart | Oh... |
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| 20:59.19 | spldart | hrm.. |
| 20:59.23 | rokfit | it hasn't detected my network card |
| 20:59.53 | rokfit | any help please |
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| 21:00.09 | blondie | rokfit: are those seperate questions? |
| 21:00.17 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:00.30 | rokfit | i'm at terminal |
| 21:00.38 | rokfit | and i can't startx |
| 21:00.39 | blondie | has the install finished then? |
| 21:00.42 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:01.05 | blondie | if you run "ifconfig" does it mention eth0? |
| 21:01.29 | rokfit | no |
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| 21:01.45 | rokfit | inet addr 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:02.03 | blondie | right |
| 21:02.08 | rokfit | RX packets:92 |
| 21:02.13 | rokfit | errors:0 |
| 21:02.17 | rokfit | is it online? |
| 21:02.18 | blondie | that's the loopback interface |
| 21:02.31 | blondie | type ifconfig eth0 |
| 21:02.37 | multi_io | rokfit: no |
| 21:02.54 | blondie | does it give information, or does it say device not found? |
| 21:03.00 | rokfit | it gives information |
| 21:03.03 | blondie | ok |
| 21:03.12 | blondie | do you have a dhcp server (router etc) on the network? |
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| 21:03.20 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:03.40 | rokfit | router, directly connected, 2wire with SBCyahoo |
| 21:04.07 | blondie | you probably need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:04.16 | blondie | is there a mention of eth0 in there? |
| 21:04.37 | rokfit | how do i edit it? |
| 21:04.42 | rokfit | sudo /etc/... |
| 21:04.56 | blondie | nano /etc/... |
| 21:05.00 | blondie | as root, or with sudol |
| 21:05.02 | blondie | -1 |
| 21:05.39 | rokfit | sudol? |
| 21:05.51 | rokfit | sudol nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:05.58 | rokfit | -bash sudol command not found |
| 21:06.03 | blondie | that was a typo :P |
| 21:06.14 | rokfit | sudo command not found |
| 21:06.20 | blondie | are you root? |
| 21:06.32 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:06.40 | blondie | fine, just nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:06.44 | rokfit | okay i've opened it |
| 21:06.53 | blondie | are there lines with eth0 in? |
| 21:06.56 | rokfit | # the loopback network interface |
| 21:06.59 | rokfit | no ther is not |
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| 21:07.06 | blondie | ok |
| 21:07.12 | blondie | add the following two lines: |
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| 21:07.19 | blondie | (at the bottom) |
| 21:07.21 | blondie | auto eth0 |
| 21:07.27 | blondie | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:07.43 | blondie | and save and exit |
| 21:07.58 | rokfit | okay |
| 21:08.18 | rokfit | can i sudo apt-get kde? |
| 21:08.31 | blondie | wait a minute |
| 21:09.06 | blondie | type ifup eth0 |
| 21:09.14 | rokfit | okay, i'm connected |
| 21:09.21 | blondie | good |
| 21:09.25 | blondie | and it works? |
| 21:09.35 | rokfit | it looks like it |
| 21:09.45 | blondie | ij |
| 21:09.46 | blondie | ok |
| 21:09.47 | rokfit | Internet Software |
| 21:09.54 | blondie | "apt-get install kde" |
| 21:09.56 | rokfit | sit0 unknown hardware address type 776 |
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| 21:10.12 | blondie | if it's working, you can probably ignore sit0 |
| 21:10.13 | rokfit | package kde has no installation candidate |
| 21:10.19 | blondie | erm |
| 21:10.35 | blondie | !kde |
| 21:10.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 21:10.37 | dendrite | rokfit: Can you ping google.com ? |
| 21:10.47 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:10.58 | dendrite | rokfit: Then you're on the 'net. |
| 21:11.06 | blondie | kde should be hte correct package name :| |
| 21:11.15 | dendrite | rokfit: You installed from CD? |
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| 21:11.22 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:11.28 | dendrite | rokfit: Did you set up any http: apt sources? |
| 21:11.31 | joeamined | hi everyone |
| 21:11.41 | rokfit | dendrite: i do not think so |
| 21:11.54 | rokfit | it's still pinging google |
| 21:11.56 | joeamined | can i use sid without having serious stability problems ? |
| 21:12.00 | dendrite | rokfit: OK, well, I can't remember the name of the tool to set that up? Anyone? |
| 21:12.02 | frenchninja | CTRL+C to cancel the ping |
| 21:12.12 | rokfit | thanks |
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| 21:12.49 | rokfit | apt-get search kde? |
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| 21:13.03 | dendrite | rokfit: You need to set up http sources. |
| 21:13.04 | joeamined | can i use sid without having serious stability problems ? and what are its advantages compared to etch and sarge ? |
| 21:13.15 | rokfit | how do i do that? |
| 21:13.16 | multi_io | the apt soiurces are configures in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.18 | blondie | joeamined: if you need to ask, the answer is no |
| 21:13.22 | dendrite | rokfit: run apt-config |
| 21:13.22 | multi_io | *configured |
| 21:13.23 | blondie | rokfit: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.26 | multi_io | *sources |
| 21:13.36 | blondie | !sources.list |
| 21:13.36 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 21:13.42 | spldart | heh.... I'm nano'ing my sources.list as we speak |
| 21:13.44 | blondie | put a line like that in there |
| 21:13.47 | rokfit | okay the cdrom line is there, and security.debian.org |
| 21:13.52 | spldart | I did it all for the back-portage |
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| 21:13.57 | spldart | lol |
| 21:14.08 | rokfit | what line do i add? |
| 21:14.08 | blondie | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 21:14.15 | blondie | that one |
| 21:14.23 | rokfit | with a # in front of it? |
| 21:14.31 | blondie | no |
| 21:14.37 | blondie | # = comment |
| 21:14.50 | spldart | # is ignored line |
| 21:14.53 | dendrite | Argh, what *is* the name of that apt setup tool...? |
| 21:15.07 | rokfit | okay the line is in |
| 21:15.14 | spldart | aptitiude apt-get? |
| 21:15.14 | blondie | rokfit: now run apt-get update |
| 21:15.31 | frenchninja | dendrite, i believe it was apt-setup |
| 21:15.38 | frenchninja | which is no longer in etch i think |
| 21:15.39 | rokfit | working!! :D :D :D |
| 21:15.39 | blondie | and then try apt-get install kde |
| 21:15.49 | rokfit | you guys rock |
| 21:15.58 | rokfit | you guys are what makes this stuff work! |
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| 21:16.20 | dendrite | rokfit: At some point do revisit your sources.list, and at least add the security.debian.org source. |
| 21:16.30 | blondie | @) |
| 21:16.30 | frenchninja | dendrite, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10941 |
| 21:16.31 | ravenbird | i heard ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 21:16.32 | blondie | :) |
| 21:16.36 | rokfit | will do |
| 21:16.49 | rokfit | thank you guys! |
| 21:17.11 | rokfit | can i remove the cdrom? |
| 21:17.18 | blondie | yes |
| 21:17.24 | Scurz_ | yop |
| 21:17.24 | frenchninja | put a # in front of it |
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| 21:17.33 | rokfit | it's not ejecting |
| 21:17.36 | rokfit | i'll wait |
| 21:17.45 | dendrite | Well, there is an apt-config, but the man page says "apt-config is an internal program used by various portions of the APT suite" ... |
| 21:17.54 | dendrite | Oh well, vi works for me. =) |
| 21:18.00 | frenchninja | i think thats for the debian installer, apt-config |
| 21:18.04 | rokfit | <# |
| 21:18.08 | rokfit | <3* |
| 21:18.11 | frenchninja | i might be wrong |
| 21:18.36 | dendrite | frenchninja: Yeah, I think so too, since there is no (1) man page. :-) |
| 21:18.42 | frenchninja | :) |
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| 21:19.25 | pppoe_dude | ravenbird, true |
| 21:19.25 | ravenbird | hmm... true is eris, false, true, bud |
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| 21:19.43 | pppoe_dude | the mouth conveys more than the eyes when smiling |
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| 21:19.49 | pppoe_dude | or frowning |
| 21:19.55 | blondie | I have no mouth |
| 21:20.04 | pppoe_dude | blondie, for real? |
| 21:20.20 | blondie | no :| |
| 21:20.27 | pppoe_dude | : |
| 21:20.32 | frenchninja | hah |
| 21:20.35 | blondie | :P |
| 21:24.21 | rokfit | i'm glad i didn't have to install gnome |
| 21:24.27 | blondie | why? |
| 21:24.32 | rokfit | but an auto detect ethernet would be nice |
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| 21:24.35 | rokfit | idk i like kde better |
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| 21:24.58 | rokfit | i like gnome but i like kde more |
| 21:25.10 | rokfit | for now at least |
| 21:25.24 | rokfit | blondie, do you like gnome? |
| 21:25.31 | blondie | yes |
| 21:25.38 | blondie | and I don't like kde :) |
| 21:25.39 | frenchninja | rokfit, what did you use before debian, if anything? |
| 21:25.39 | rokfit | why do you like it over kde? |
| 21:25.52 | blondie | kde looks tacky and has annoying sound effects |
| 21:25.56 | rokfit | i used fedora core 6, and then i went to kubuntu |
| 21:26.00 | frenchninja | ok |
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| 21:26.37 | rokfit | shoot my monitor just went black |
| 21:26.46 | rokfit | oh nm |
| 21:26.47 | diskus | 30min to 2007 :P |
| 21:26.49 | spldart | tutorial for easy reconfigure of a newer kernel to support my k6? since only 486, 686, k7 and amd 64 are available |
| 21:26.49 | rokfit | screensaver |
| 21:26.51 | nick255 | I only use ratpoison or icewm now |
| 21:26.54 | spldart | ? |
| 21:26.58 | blondie | I use blackbox on my laptop |
| 21:27.15 | frenchninja | diskus, its been 2007 in Australia for nearly 9 hours :) |
| 21:27.22 | frenchninja | i'm from the fuuuuutuuuuuuure |
| 21:27.23 | rokfit | blondie do you know how to install the mac like toolbar at the bottom |
| 21:27.23 | diskus | frenchninja: well it's australia |
| 21:27.37 | diskus | frenchninja: you're doing everything too fast |
| 21:27.41 | spldart | 8 and a half hours left here |
| 21:27.44 | frenchninja | yeah, we're like that |
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| 21:27.53 | frenchninja | and even faster for me, coz i'm a ninja and all |
| 21:28.03 | rokfit | i just noticed i have a huge hole in my new jersey |
| 21:28.04 | rokfit | this sucks |
| 21:28.15 | blondie | rokfit: nope |
| 21:28.17 | frenchninja | what the hell is a jersey |
| 21:28.27 | rokfit | a sports jersey |
| 21:28.28 | blondie | a type of jumper |
| 21:28.30 | rokfit | like a soccer shirt |
| 21:28.31 | frenchninja | ah |
| 21:28.33 | rokfit | lol |
| 21:28.49 | rokfit | a sports top |
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| 21:28.55 | rokfit | are you people from the UK? |
| 21:29.08 | rokfit | if so, it's a football top |
| 21:29.20 | frenchninja | i'm french/australian. we don't have clothes in this part of the world yet |
| 21:29.23 | frenchninja | despite being from the future |
| 21:29.35 | frenchninja | in the future, we'll all be naked *nods* |
| 21:29.36 | blondie | I am |
| 21:29.43 | blondie | frenchninja: cool. |
| 21:29.49 | diskus | frenchninja: how cold is it there? |
| 21:29.54 | diskus | frenchninja: or warm |
| 21:29.57 | rokfit | blondie: do you play football? |
| 21:30.08 | blondie | no |
| 21:30.14 | frenchninja | it's 20 degrees celsius this morning - which is pretty cool for summer |
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| 21:30.48 | diskus | frenchninja: we have pretty shit time now it's about +3-4C, should be like -10C or -20C |
| 21:30.57 | frenchninja | mind you i'm from melbourne, we have no weather pattern previously known to man |
| 21:31.11 | frenchninja | it will probably hail later followed by 45C heat wave in the afternoon |
| 21:31.14 | blondie | 10C here |
| 21:31.31 | sparr | i have slapd running, with a default debian configuration. id like to see if its working. how? |
| 21:31.43 | Miesco | How do I check whats using my sound card, im using alsa |
| 21:31.53 | blondie | listen to see what's playing? :) |
| 21:32.11 | Miesco | blondie: Nothing |
| 21:32.23 | rokfit | okay it went to a debian configuration screen and asked where cvs repositories is |
| 21:32.23 | Miesco | blondie: Something is always using my sound card, dont know what it is |
| 21:32.54 | rokfit | should the CVS pserver be enabled? |
| 21:33.45 | dendrite | rokfit: If you don't know what it is, then no. |
| 21:33.52 | Miesco | Ahh, I even ran alsaconf and it still wont work |
| 21:34.05 | Miesco | wait maybe it does |
| 21:34.12 | aitherios | are you using gnome? |
| 21:34.15 | buu | Miesco: lsof | grep dev/snd |
| 21:34.17 | Miesco | Do I need esd running? |
| 21:34.24 | Miesco | aitherios: Yea |
| 21:34.27 | rokfit | do you want to run the sshd server? |
| 21:34.30 | buu | Miesco: esd is using your sound card =] |
| 21:34.44 | Miesco | buu: My music only plays when im running esd though |
| 21:34.48 | dendrite | rokfit: Will you be trying to connect from other computers to run terminals? |
| 21:34.55 | rokfit | no |
| 21:35.02 | dendrite | rokfit: Then don't run sshd. |
| 21:35.12 | rokfit | can it be enabled later? |
| 21:35.15 | dendrite | rokfit: Yes. |
| 21:35.25 | rokfit | sweet |
| 21:35.37 | Miesco | ah here we go |
| 21:35.40 | dendrite | rokfit: Everything can be configured any time. The system is very flexible. |
| 21:36.29 | Miesco | Whats the place in gnome called at the top right beside the time, it has icons for apps |
| 21:36.39 | frenchninja | system tray |
| 21:36.54 | Miesco | Yea my system tray isn't working |
| 21:36.56 | rokfit | okay setup seems done, can i just startx? |
| 21:37.06 | frenchninja | rokfit, try it |
| 21:37.20 | rokfit | no such file or directory |
| 21:37.26 | frenchninja | heh |
| 21:37.27 | Miesco | Do I need to run a program for the system tray? |
| 21:37.52 | rokfit | xinit: no such process (errno 3): server error |
| 21:38.06 | Miesco | ahh |
| 21:38.09 | frenchninja | rokfit, you're running sarge yeah? |
| 21:38.13 | rokfit | yeah |
| 21:38.16 | frenchninja | Miesco, I don't know the systray command |
| 21:38.18 | Miesco | I got it, its called notification area and I just went to add to panel |
| 21:38.31 | rokfit | install x? |
| 21:38.37 | frenchninja | rokfit, i'm wondering if your x server was installed, allthough it should've been |
| 21:38.43 | frenchninja | xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:38.51 | rokfit | type that? |
| 21:38.55 | frenchninja | no |
| 21:39.00 | frenchninja | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:39.23 | frenchninja | ..i would've thought it would have been installed though |
| 21:39.26 | rokfit | it's installing |
| 21:39.38 | Miesco | Im glad I got that working |
| 21:40.27 | multi_io | the kde package shouldn't depend on an X server |
| 21:40.29 | rokfit | use kernel framebuffer decie interface? |
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| 21:40.54 | rokfit | well multi_io how do i start kde than? |
| 21:40.57 | frenchninja | rokfit, you can say yes to that |
| 21:41.07 | frenchninja | multi_io, kde runs its on graphical server? |
| 21:41.07 | multi_io | so it seems correct it wasn't installed on "apt-get install kde" |
| 21:41.16 | frenchninja | ah |
| 21:41.27 | multi_io | frenchninja: no, but you might run the X server on another machine |
| 21:41.36 | frenchninja | i figured he had a basic installed system including xserver, prior to installing kde |
| 21:41.44 | multi_io | ah, hm |
| 21:41.59 | rokfit | okay what do i do |
| 21:42.04 | rokfit | xserver is installed |
| 21:42.22 | frenchninja | rokfit, do you have a graphics card in your machine or do you run on onboard graphics |
| 21:42.30 | rokfit | startx reports no screens found |
| 21:42.36 | rokfit | yes i have a graphics card |
| 21:42.40 | frenchninja | as root, type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:43.17 | rokfit | the video card's bus identifier? |
| 21:43.18 | multi_io | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:43.29 | frenchninja | rokfit, don't enter anything, just hit continue or whatever |
| 21:43.32 | frenchninja | for that option |
| 21:43.39 | multi_io | but it should've done that when you did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:43.40 | rokfit | same for memory? |
| 21:43.45 | NaufraGo | I'm trying to update the aptitude mirrors list but it gives me an error; Could not connect to ftp.cl.debian.org:21 (200.89.74.17), connection timed out |
| 21:43.47 | frenchninja | yeh |
| 21:43.55 | NaufraGo | does it have a solution? |
| 21:43.57 | rokfit | framebuffer device? |
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| 21:44.04 | frenchninja | multi_io, that's true... but 'no screens found'? |
| 21:44.04 | streuner_ | NaufraGo: try another mirror |
| 21:44.14 | frenchninja | rokfit, just continue past that one too |
| 21:44.29 | NaufraGo | I want to remove kernel image but it gives me an error related to that mirror |
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| 21:44.36 | p4r4d0xial | hey all quick ?? anyone know how i can add icons to my desktop in enlightenment for shortcuts? |
| 21:44.42 | NaufraGo | I'm 2.4, and I want to remove 2.6 |
| 21:44.53 | rokfit | okay startx started a bad looking display |
| 21:44.59 | rokfit | black and white lines |
| 21:45.02 | rokfit | with dots |
| 21:45.02 | frenchninja | ok |
| 21:45.04 | frenchninja | firstly |
| 21:45.07 | frenchninja | what graphics card is it |
| 21:45.13 | frenchninja | nvidia? |
| 21:45.14 | rokfit | nvidia 7600gs |
| 21:45.20 | frenchninja | yeh |
| 21:45.22 | frenchninja | alright... |
| 21:45.35 | NaufraGo | streuner_ do you see? |
| 21:45.37 | frenchninja | press CTRL+ALT+Backspace |
| 21:45.44 | rokfit | okay |
| 21:45.47 | frenchninja | hopefully will just take you back to command line |
| 21:45.51 | streuner_ | NaufraGo: yes, we told you before |
| 21:45.51 | rokfit | yes |
| 21:45.54 | diskus | my nvidia 7600gs works fine with nvidia drivers |
| 21:45.58 | frenchninja | yeah |
| 21:46.02 | frenchninja | he needs the driver |
| 21:46.14 | frenchninja | rokfit, nano /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 21:46.29 | rokfit | okay |
| 21:46.32 | frenchninja | i'm assuming you can add contrib & non-free to sarge repos, anyone? |
| 21:46.37 | frenchninja | i run etch |
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| 21:47.05 | frenchninja | ah |
| 21:47.13 | frenchninja | rokfit, nevermind, i see blondie gave you the correct repo |
| 21:47.17 | frenchninja | exit out of nano |
| 21:47.27 | rokfit | okay |
| 21:47.30 | NaufraGo | streuner_ just changing the mirror?? |
| 21:47.32 | frenchninja | then apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 21:47.46 | frenchninja | hoping that exists in sarge repos.. |
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| 21:47.53 | rokfit | yes it does |
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| 21:48.01 | rokfit | but it said kernel 2.4 |
| 21:48.02 | frenchninja | fantastic |
| 21:48.04 | streuner_ | NaufraGo: well, 'Connection timed out' indicates usually the host is down... |
| 21:48.07 | frenchninja | ah ok hang on |
| 21:48.15 | NaufraGo | so, I have to wait? |
| 21:48.36 | frenchninja | rokfit, what kernel are you using |
| 21:48.39 | joeamined | is sid too unstable to be used ? |
| 21:48.44 | frenchninja | uname -r |
| 21:48.44 | rokfit | 2.6 |
| 21:48.51 | streuner_ | !tell joeamined about sid faq |
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| 21:49.03 | rokfit | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:49.05 | frenchninja | ok |
| 21:49.24 | frenchninja | try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386 first |
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| 21:49.55 | rokfit | couldn't find any package |
| 21:50.32 | frenchninja | grrr |
| 21:50.50 | rokfit | incompatible driver? |
| 21:51.05 | frenchninja | lack of driver altogether, which is why we're trying to install it |
| 21:51.10 | frenchninja | but we need a module that will match your kernel |
| 21:51.29 | frenchninja | there are other options though.. don't give up |
| 21:51.46 | rokfit | i can't use this driver? |
| 21:51.46 | multi_io | there's no nvidia package built for a 2.6 kernel in sarge |
| 21:51.55 | frenchninja | ahh, ok thanks multi_io |
| 21:51.55 | rokfit | crap |
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| 21:51.59 | SJr | Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:52.02 | SJr | what is that error |
| 21:52.03 | frenchninja | should we compile it from nvidia's driver on their site then |
| 21:52.15 | frenchninja | from scratch.. not hard, unless there's another way on sarge? |
| 21:52.15 | SJr | sadly I fixed it on a frends machine and then a week later my machine got it. |
| 21:52.21 | SJr | and I didn't remember. |
| 21:52.36 | multi_io | you either have to build it yourself or switch to 2.4, or switch to testing, or use the "nv" driver |
| 21:52.55 | rokfit | you guys choose |
| 21:52.56 | frenchninja | ok. from memory the nv driver sucks |
| 21:52.57 | p4r4d0xial | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 21:53.00 | p4r4d0xial | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i386 |
| 21:53.12 | multi_io | nv driver has no 3D acceleration, works fine otherwise |
| 21:53.17 | frenchninja | ah ok |
| 21:53.31 | SJr | why would you ever use the nv driver instead of vesa then? |
| 21:53.39 | rokfit | will it eventually be released? |
| 21:53.45 | frenchninja | rokfit, probably not on sarge |
| 21:53.55 | frenchninja | i would think |
| 21:53.56 | multi_io | SJr: it does have 2D acceleration |
| 21:54.01 | frenchninja | you can do it on etch |
| 21:54.07 | frenchninja | which will go stable soonish |
| 21:54.17 | rokfit | go burn another cd? |
| 21:54.20 | rokfit | the etch cd? |
| 21:54.48 | frenchninja | well, that's up to you. i would recommend it personally, but i prefer etch to sarge |
| 21:55.03 | frenchninja | sarge is a bit out of date for me |
| 21:55.09 | rokfit | will do, its just labeled unstable on the site? |
| 21:55.15 | rokfit | the second listing of the three |
| 21:55.23 | frenchninja | not unstable |
| 21:55.24 | frenchninja | testing |
| 21:55.27 | rokfit | okay |
| 21:55.28 | rokfit | brb |
| 21:55.34 | frenchninja | whats your internet connection like - i'd go with a net install |
| 21:55.41 | rokfit | it's fast |
| 21:55.47 | rokfit | 3mb/s |
| 21:55.50 | frenchninja | pwhoar |
| 21:55.51 | frenchninja | :) |
| 21:55.58 | rokfit | 2.4 actually i think |
| 21:56.12 | rokfit | apt-get upgrade install |
| 21:56.38 | frenchninja | you could do apt-get dist-upgrade to get to etch, probably |
| 21:56.50 | frenchninja | i'm a hardliner and would download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and do it again from scratch :) but that's me |
| 21:56.53 | joeamined | is etch becoming stable in about a month ? |
| 21:57.05 | rokfit | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove |
| 21:57.08 | frenchninja | joeamined, no official date is set i don't think |
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| 21:57.17 | frenchninja | rokfit, you'd need to change your sources.list to dist-upgrade |
| 21:57.22 | frenchninja | to change sarge to 'etch' |
| 21:57.27 | joeamined | frenchninja : you think it will be later ? |
| 21:57.29 | frenchninja | then dist-upgrade |
| 21:57.31 | samuel | how can i test 3d accel when using fglrx drivers? |
| 21:57.39 | frenchninja | joeamined, i have no idea. i find it to be stable enough already |
| 21:57.48 | rokfit | change it to what? |
| 21:58.06 | rokfit | sources.list for etch |
| 21:58.23 | SJr | I keep getting errors with apt that says Dynamic MMap ran out of room. And that there was a problem with MergeList with a pcakage file. |
| 21:58.25 | SJr | Any ideas? |
| 21:58.44 | NaufraGo | how do I configure apt? |
| 21:59.09 | frenchninja | rokfit, in your sources.list, any repo that contains 'sarge' would have to be changed to 'etch' if you were to dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.33 | joeamined | sjr : it happens to me when i mix official debian repositories and other repositories in my list |
| 21:59.34 | frenchninja | bbl, need coffee :) |
| 21:59.38 | aitherios | u must configure apt.conf |
| 21:59.55 | rokfit | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:59.59 | rokfit | right? |
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| 22:00.18 | NaufraGo | how do I configure apt? |
| 22:00.22 | aitherios | something like APT::Cache-Limit "4242424242" ; |
| 22:00.35 | rokfit | frenchninja: don't leave |
| 22:00.50 | rstanca | 00:00, happy new year debian haquers :D |
| 22:01.07 | multi_io | rokfit: looks good |
| 22:01.08 | NaufraGo | does anybody know how can I configure apt? |
| 22:01.15 | n3kl_ | dendrite: abrotman: reiserfsck --fix-fixable --rebuild-tree fixed the issue that I was having with my reiserfs permissions ealier. fyi |
| 22:01.28 | rokfit | okay i did an apt-get update |
| 22:01.35 | rokfit | multi_io: now what? |
| 22:01.46 | frenchninja | now an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.58 | frenchninja | rokfit, add me on msn frenchninja@gmail.com if you want - i gotta run but bbl |
| 22:02.05 | rokfit | k, thanks |
| 22:02.10 | NaufraGo | gosh... is there anybody available for help? :) |
| 22:02.11 | multi_io | "apt-get update" first I think |
| 22:02.24 | rokfit | 1% |
| 22:02.24 | frenchninja | multi_io, i thought he said he did that |
| 22:02.38 | rokfit | i did do that |
| 22:02.45 | multi_io | after editing sources.list? ok. |
| 22:02.46 | rokfit | how will i get the nvidia driver after this? |
| 22:02.49 | rokfit | yes |
| 22:02.50 | joeamined | frenchninja : can i add you to my msn too ? :) |
| 22:03.07 | joeamined | i'm a newbie with debian |
| 22:03.15 | NaufraGo | can anybody answer a simple question please? |
| 22:03.35 | NaufraGo | how do I configure apt? |
| 22:03.57 | rstanca | NaufraGo, for what? |
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| 22:04.09 | NaufraGo | to add mirrors |
| 22:04.19 | sparr | is there a way to make dpkg/apt-get/aptitude warn me when installing a package from an old repository? |
| 22:04.26 | aitherios | configure sources.list |
| 22:04.33 | rokfit | okay back |
| 22:04.37 | rokfit | this program errored out |
| 22:04.41 | rokfit | multi_io: you still here |
| 22:04.50 | NaufraGo | but I want to select mirrors from the apt configure list |
| 22:04.59 | rokfit | yeah i missed the chat, how will i get the nvidia driver after dist-upgrade? |
| 22:05.02 | multi_io | rokfit: yeah |
| 22:05.24 | NaufraGo | dpkg-reconfigure aptitude? or something like that??? |
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| 22:06.12 | rokfit | oh it's upgrading nvidia-glx |
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| 22:06.38 | NaufraGo | baseconf??????? |
| 22:06.53 | rokfit | NaufraGo: was that last one for me? |
| 22:06.53 | blondie | !ep |
| 22:06.54 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 22:06.59 | robin_sz | so, a passable IMAP server is? |
| 22:07.02 | NaufraGo | no |
| 22:07.16 | NaufraGo | I can't remember the command.. |
| 22:07.35 | robin_sz | wtf is an "interrobang"? |
| 22:07.54 | NaufraGo | base-config! that is the one, thank for not helping me :S |
| 22:08.09 | k-man | i have this package that is in an half installed state, but the install and remove seems to be brocken so i can neither install it or remove it now |
| 22:08.28 | k-man | is there a way to force its removal? |
| 22:08.34 | robin_sz | how did it get half-installed? |
| 22:08.45 | k-man | the install failed for some reason |
| 22:08.50 | x_link | Can somebody please tell me which command to use to unrar a .rar file? |
| 22:08.54 | blondie | robin_sz: !? is |
| 22:09.10 | k-man | package in question is ttf-opensymbol |
| 22:09.10 | robin_sz | blondie, ah, ok |
| 22:09.21 | lindenle | x_link: unare e file.rar |
| 22:09.28 | x_link | ok |
| 22:09.30 | lindenle | x_link: unrar e file.rar i mean |
| 22:09.34 | k-man | i get this error when it tries to install: "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning |
| 22:09.50 | lindenle | x_link: but you need to install unrar and it might be in non-free |
| 22:10.02 | robin_sz | the -f flag is often popular |
| 22:10.07 | x_link | sedde@xlink:/mnt/sedde/Warez/Movies/Da Vinci Code [2006] [DVDRip]$ unare e "the da vinci code.rar" |
| 22:10.19 | lindenle | x_link: unrar e |
| 22:10.21 | x_link | didn't find command |
| 22:10.25 | lindenle | !no paste |
| 22:10.27 | x_link | I have tried that. |
| 22:10.31 | x_link | lindenle: Sorry. |
| 22:10.32 | robin_sz | --force? |
| 22:10.47 | lindenle | x_link: you might need to install it |
| 22:11.09 | lindenle | x_link: apt-get install unrar |
| 22:11.12 | x_link | ok |
| 22:12.30 | x_link | lindenle: Thanks mate! |
| 22:12.33 | x_link | It's installing now |
| 22:12.34 | fenriz_ | or just install rar and then rar x |
| 22:12.41 | lindenle | x_link: np |
| 22:13.15 | x_link | hmm |
| 22:13.24 | x_link | Takes alot of time for it to connect to ftp.se.debian.org |
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| 22:14.19 | robin_sz | so, an imapd to work with maildir format mailboxes? |
| 22:14.33 | lindenle | robin_sz: dovecot is my fav |
| 22:15.01 | lindenle | robin_sz: also easy and fast to setup |
| 22:15.12 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 22:15.18 | x_link | lindenle: unrar x worked |
| 22:15.22 | x_link | Without installing anything |
| 22:15.33 | lindenle | x_link: ?? |
| 22:15.42 | x_link | Ahh sorry, it got installed first. |
| 22:15.47 | lindenle | k |
| 22:16.12 | rokfit | after this can i just startx |
| 22:16.34 | rokfit | after dist-upgrade |
| 22:16.40 | robin_sz | lindenle, is it related to icedove in any way? |
| 22:17.00 | lindenle | robin_sz: you want a daemon or a client? |
| 22:17.17 | lindenle | robin_sz: icedove is a mail client used to be called thunderbird |
| 22:17.29 | lindenle | !tell robin_sz about icedove |
| 22:17.34 | robin_sz | lindenle, yes, I know |
| 22:17.36 | lindenle | !tell robin_sz about dovecot |
| 22:18.00 | robin_sz | I was just wondering if it was written by the same team or a related package or someting |
| 22:18.09 | lindenle | robin_sz: no idea |
| 22:18.15 | robin_sz | fairy nuff |
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| 22:18.30 | rokfit | 56% |
| 22:18.41 | unsucht | is there a way to mimic a system restart without actually doing it? |
| 22:18.58 | multi_io | rokfit: you'll need the nvidia binary driver and a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:19.05 | multi_io | so you'll have to reboot |
| 22:19.09 | lindenle | unsucht: you can use telinit to change runlevel to 2 again |
| 22:19.18 | rokfit | oh it's installing 2.4? |
| 22:19.22 | lindenle | unsucht: but for kernel stuff you have to reboot |
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| 22:20.00 | multi_io | rokfit: if you're installing etch, I don't think so :) |
| 22:20.12 | rokfit | sweet |
| 22:20.16 | multi_io | I've never used dist-upgrade myself though :) |
| 22:20.26 | rokfit | i did on kubuntu |
| 22:20.49 | rokfit | how long until etch goes stable? |
| 22:21.19 | lindenle | !tell rokfit about wwer |
| 22:21.46 | unsucht | lindenle: it's apache related andi would like to mimc the astual system start because something goes wrong at boot, but when i start it once it's booted then it's fine |
| 22:21.53 | rokfit | lindenle: thanks |
| 22:22.59 | robin_sz | blimey, 117mb of updates, I must have been slack in keeping this box updated |
| 22:23.01 | lindenle | lindenle: well telinit will run all the init scripts at the proper start stop level |
| 22:23.11 | lindenle | unsucht: ^^^ |
| 22:23.19 | rokfit | what is init |
| 22:23.20 | lindenle | unsucht: What is the problem, maybe we can help... |
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| 22:23.32 | unsucht | i dunno man: le> unsucht: you can use telinit to change runlevel to 2 again |
| 22:23.32 | unsucht | <rokfit> oh it's installing 2.4? |
| 22:23.32 | unsucht | <lindenle> unsucht: but for kernel stuff you have to reboot |
| 22:23.32 | unsucht | * joeamined (n=joeamine@196.203.202.95) has left #debian |
| 22:23.32 | unsucht | * debhelper sets channel limit to 568 |
| 22:23.32 | *** kick/#debian [unsucht!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 22:23.42 | lindenle | !tell rokfit about init |
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| 22:23.51 | unsucht | sorry |
| 22:24.01 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.03 | rokfit | what is the init daemond |
| 22:24.09 | rokfit | oh |
| 22:24.22 | unsucht | lindenle: this shows up in my log: [Sat Dec 30 07:58:30 2006] [info] removed PID file /var/run/apache2.pid (pid=3317) |
| 22:24.22 | unsucht | [Sat Dec 30 07:58:30 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
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| 22:25.10 | rokfit | 79% |
| 22:25.20 | BrianSteffens | what's a good app for doing flowcharts? |
| 22:25.27 | blondie | unsucht: in which log? |
| 22:25.33 | blondie | BrianSteffens: maybe dia... dunno |
| 22:25.48 | unsucht | error |
| 22:26.18 | lindenle | unsucht: not so helpful huh |
| 22:26.50 | unsucht | nope |
| 22:27.11 | lindenle | unsucht: but if you start by hand it works fine? |
| 22:27.15 | unsucht | and what is really unhelpful is that when i start it after boot it starts fine |
| 22:27.20 | unsucht | yup |
| 22:27.53 | lindenle | unsucht: does it need something that is being started after it, have you tried a very simple configuration to see if it is one of your options |
| 22:28.09 | unsucht | log level debug is the highest level, right? |
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| 22:29.09 | lindenle | unsucht: what is in etcdefault/apache2? |
| 22:29.23 | lindenle | unsucht:just checking something |
| 22:29.32 | unsucht | i haven't made anychanges, but i did install program that relies on the server, i'm just now trying to go through the mod's see if i can find anything pataining to that |
| 22:30.05 | unsucht | do u mean the files/folders in etc/apache2? |
| 22:30.19 | lindenle | no the file /etc/default/apache2 |
| 22:31.02 | unsucht | NO_START = 1, u gotto be shitting me |
| 22:31.07 | lindenle | cool |
| 22:31.10 | lindenle | we found it |
| 22:31.14 | lindenle | set it to 0 |
| 22:31.15 | unsucht | uh huh, thanks man |
| 22:31.18 | lindenle | no problem |
| 22:31.24 | lindenle | !beer me |
| 22:31.40 | rokfit | okay apt-get dist-upgrade is complete, now i'm at a screen that says locales to be generated |
| 22:31.45 | unsucht | i could ship one down, send me u're address :P |
| 22:32.00 | rokfit | all locales? |
| 22:32.02 | lindenle | unsucht: Also I am not sure that debug is highest log level |
| 22:32.11 | x_link | 23:33 |
| 22:32.18 | lindenle | unsucht: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#loglevel |
| 22:32.28 | x_link | Ï will go out with the kids now and fire upp this fireworks. |
| 22:32.33 | x_link | Happy new year everybody ! |
| 22:32.37 | x_link | God bless you all! |
| 22:32.39 | x_link | Bye! |
| 22:33.28 | lindenle | unsucht: the wording on the page has me a bit confused...but mayb debug is most information i.e. info of least signifigance |
| 22:33.45 | rokfit | okay now what do i do? |
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| 22:33.48 | rokfit | can anyone help? |
| 22:34.11 | lindenle | rokfit: do you typically speak only english..then i would only generate the en ones |
| 22:34.21 | rokfit | i'm done with that part |
| 22:34.38 | lindenle | rokfit: oh sorry what was the question then? |
| 22:34.43 | unsucht | lindenli: maybe while u're fieeling helpful you can help me with another one: i would like to start a perl app also on bootup, how would i go about doing that so it start automatically |
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| 22:34.50 | rokfit | i need to startx but the screen displayed black and white lines |
| 22:34.56 | rokfit | how do i reconfigure xserver |
| 22:35.28 | rokfit | or what should I do? |
| 22:35.28 | lindenle | unsucht: write a script like the ones in /etc/init.d and link it to one of the directories like rc2.d with an S in front of it. A good example is ssh |
| 22:35.31 | unsucht | rokfit: are u running etch? |
| 22:35.34 | rokfit | yes |
| 22:35.55 | unsucht | can u get command line? |
| 22:36.09 | rokfit | yes i am |
| 22:36.11 | rokfit | yes i can |
| 22:36.16 | lindenle | unsucht: /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh etc etc |
| 22:36.22 | unsucht | thnaks man |
| 22:36.31 | lindenle | unsucht:or |
| 22:36.40 | lindenle | !tell unsucht about update-rc.d |
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| 22:37.04 | rokfit | what do i do |
| 22:37.16 | rokfit | oh how do i install xserver? |
| 22:37.30 | unsucht | rokfit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:37.39 | rokfit | i need to install it first i think |
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| 22:37.48 | unsucht | use apt-get |
| 22:37.56 | rokfit | apt-get xserver |
| 22:38.14 | rokfit | ? |
| 22:38.18 | unsucht | well usually u find the package name with apt-cache search package name |
| 22:38.26 | multi_io | apt-get install xorg |
| 22:38.26 | unsucht | have u run apt-get update? |
| 22:38.45 | rokfit | lindenle: so just apt-get xserver-xorg? |
| 22:38.46 | lindenle | rokfit: apt-get install xorg |
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| 22:39.05 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.21 | unsucht | yes u're right lindenle |
| 22:39.26 | multi_io | correct |
| 22:39.30 | lindenle | rokfit: virtual == meta i mean ;) |
| 22:39.40 | rokfit | E: unmet dependencies. try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 22:40.12 | rokfit | anyone? |
| 22:40.18 | lindenle | rokfit: apt-get -f install |
| 22:40.30 | lindenle | rokfit: perhaps dist-upgrade had some problems |
| 22:40.44 | rokfit | same error |
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| 22:41.06 | rokfit | burn the cd? |
| 22:42.15 | lindenle | rokfit: apt-get -f install still is unhappy? |
| 22:42.20 | rokfit | yes |
| 22:42.35 | rokfit | apt-get -f install xorg is unhappy |
| 22:42.36 | rokfit | yes |
| 22:42.38 | lindenle | rokfit: ick....sorry are you trying sarge to etch? |
| 22:43.20 | rokfit | the following packages have unmet dependencies kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:43.22 | rokfit | lindenle: yes |
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| 22:44.24 | unsucht | lindenli, so if i take the ssh script and change all the directoy paths i should b ok |
| 22:45.17 | lindenle | rokfit: maybe i should let someone else help...but a couple of ideas are etch is running 2.6.17 so maybe you have a sanpshot kernel or something which is no longer in archive or maybe it is udev...but I am really not sure. Clean install might be faster if there is no chance of data loss...sorry man |
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| 22:46.02 | rokfit | i'll make the cd |
| 22:46.07 | lindenle | unsucht: Well i would change it's names and actuall edit the script so it starts what you want to start and probably I would increse 20 to 99 or something so that it starts last especially if it depends on other services |
| 22:46.21 | unsucht | rokfit: try apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:46.58 | unsucht | so the number after S tells it when to statr? |
| 22:47.05 | lindenle | !tell unsucht about start-stop-daemon |
| 22:47.24 | lindenle | yep they start in number order |
| 22:47.28 | lindenle | S==start K==kill |
| 22:47.43 | unsucht | ok kool |
| 22:48.06 | rokfit | xserver-xorg just isn't installing |
| 22:48.42 | unsucht | rokfit, did u do the search and see if that kernel image appears so u could then install it |
| 22:48.53 | rokfit | how do i do that? |
| 22:49.11 | unsucht | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:49.37 | rokfit | a lot of lines came up |
| 22:49.50 | unsucht | c i fu can find the one u're looking 4 |
| 22:49.53 | fenriz_ | apt-cache search kernel-image |more |
| 22:50.04 | enouf | !tell rokfit about sarge->etch |
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| 22:50.17 | rokfit | it would be em64T for an amd dual core |
| 22:50.26 | rokfit | unsucht: now how do i install that kernel |
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| 22:50.55 | rokfit | er how do i list this search by page so it doesnt scroll too far |
| 22:51.05 | unsucht | apt-get install package name |
| 22:51.06 | blondie | | less |
| 22:51.24 | NaufraGo | do you know autopackage? |
| 22:51.45 | NaufraGo | does anybody know it? |
| 22:52.08 | enouf | try #ubuntu |
| 22:52.21 | rokfit | so apt-cache search kernel-image | less |
| 22:52.23 | rokfit | that didn't work |
| 22:52.52 | blondie | really |
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| 22:53.06 | rokfit | really |
| 22:53.08 | lindenle | blondie: maybe no apt-cache installed |
| 22:53.14 | rokfit | -bash: less: command not found |
| 22:53.18 | blondie | no apt-cache? unlikely |
| 22:53.20 | unsucht | rokfit: try doing the search with kernel-image-2.6.8 make the search a bit smaller |
| 22:53.25 | blondie | oh, no less installed :P |
| 22:53.28 | blondie | apt-get install less |
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| 22:53.38 | NaufraGo | is there any mirror fyt apt to install amsn 0.96? |
| 22:53.45 | NaufraGo | fir apt.. |
| 22:53.45 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.51 | NaufraGo | for apt, sorry |
| 22:53.51 | blondie | NaufraGo: for |
| 22:54.02 | factotum | well, after trying out an ubuntu desktop for a couple weeks all i can say is HAIL DEBIAN |
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| 22:54.16 | lindenle | factotum: DAMN straight |
| 22:54.19 | factotum | oh debian, i missed your speed so |
| 22:54.31 | factotum | hehe |
| 22:54.40 | NaufraGo | is there any mirror for apt to install amsn 0.96? |
| 22:55.00 | rokfit | i'll just install debian testing |
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| 22:55.42 | factotum | im a dork, i always run stable on everything |
| 22:55.45 | schme | NaufraGo: That "there is a newer version of amsn available" sure is annoying (: |
| 22:56.06 | factotum | im a patient man |
| 22:56.15 | schme | Happy new year to all |
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| 22:56.25 | factotum | ditto! cheers! |
| 22:56.41 | rokfit | we don't know how to page list searches? |
| 22:56.46 | schme | Stable seems good if you don't actually need anything else (: |
| 22:57.07 | factotum | schme: yes schme, thats pretty much me in a nutshell |
| 22:57.14 | factotum | love the name btw |
| 22:57.20 | NaufraGo | schme does it help me? |
| 22:57.59 | factotum | if i really wanted to, i could probably still do my day to day on potato if i wanted lol |
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| 22:58.23 | teledyn | a bit late for new years, aren't we? |
| 22:58.32 | teledyn | like 10 days? |
| 22:58.37 | factotum | teledyn: depends on where you are |
| 22:58.50 | factotum | but you already knew that |
| 22:58.53 | schme | NaufraGo: No. If you do find a repository .. I'd love to hear about it |
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| 22:58.59 | teledyn | factotum: not really. its the same exact astronomical event everywhere on the planet |
| 22:59.04 | schme | teledyn: What calendar are you on? |
| 22:59.19 | factotum | *yawn* okay whatever blah blah blah blah |
| 22:59.25 | teledyn | schme: to me its not a *calendar* event but an astronomical one |
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| 22:59.47 | schme | teledyn: Yikes.. so how does that work? |
| 22:59.49 | factotum | :) |
| 22:59.58 | unsucht | how can i get asterisk to start automatically on boot |
| 23:00.12 | teledyn | http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html |
| 23:01.25 | teledyn | of course now more than ever, humans should be less connected to the world they live on by celebrating the real seasons when they occur and celebrating artificial ones |
| 23:01.44 | schme | teledyn: I agree to that very much. |
| 23:01.45 | multi_io | right, so what's the astronomical significance of December 31st? |
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| 23:02.06 | teledyn | multi_io: 10 days after new years? |
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| 23:02.41 | multi_io | :P |
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| 23:03.13 | NaufraGo | is it better specify kbs of ram and video card in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86? |
| 23:03.35 | factotum | well, in a planets rotation, you could pick any point and time as your own personal newyears |
| 23:03.39 | teledyn | NaufraGo: leave it blank. it will autodetect |
| 23:03.44 | NaufraGo | ok |
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| 23:04.11 | teledyn | factotum: sure and live in complete alienation from the world you're on. oh wait! most humans are already doing that! |
| 23:04.47 | factotum | teledyn: you so insightfull. |
| 23:04.49 | multi_io | since earth'S axis precesses, maybe some centuries ago solstice was indeed on Dec 31st |
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| 23:05.02 | eilker_ | hi, i wanna try for etch... is it only mirror for it ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:05.05 | teledyn | anyhow, /me goes by that big yellow thing in the sky which is the source of all life as a reference |
| 23:05.32 | factotum | congradulations, you can regurgitate something you read once. now go forth save the world |
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| 23:06.02 | multi_io | erm midwinter |
| 23:06.06 | multi_io | whatever :) |
| 23:06.11 | robin_sz | the evil daystar! |
| 23:06.39 | factotum | the sun is a mass of incondecent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace |
| 23:06.45 | factotum | la la lalaaa |
| 23:07.00 | teledyn | its funny too how now more than ever with precise measurements we actually could have a better calendar |
| 23:07.15 | eilker_ | should i try etch or stable version ? just for testing... |
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| 23:07.58 | teledyn | eilker: i would try etch since its close to release and pretty stable |
| 23:08.42 | eilker_ | teledyn: where to download ? i cant find it... |
| 23:08.55 | teledyn | new years is a good metaphor of how fucked up humanity is, persisting in old, destructive, disconnected ways and being blind to the earth |
| 23:09.09 | factotum | i do find it a bit odd that i live in MI and have yet to see snow this "winter" |
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| 23:09.36 | teledyn | eilker: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:09.53 | BrianSteffens | teledyn: agreed |
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| 23:10.52 | teledyn | factotum: as with much or most of europe as well |
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| 23:11.19 | factotum | teledyn: most of europe eh? thats a bit frightening |
| 23:11.29 | diskus | well even here in Finland, Helsinki there is no snow today |
| 23:11.37 | factotum | teledyn: where to you reside these days? |
| 23:11.49 | teledyn | factotum: near san francisco |
| 23:11.51 | multi_io | the sun is something geeks needn't be concerned about, since they hardly see it anyway :-P |
| 23:11.56 | factotum | oh |
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| 23:12.47 | rokfit | can frenchninja just come back |
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| 23:12.52 | streuner_ | Happy new year and all the best |
| 23:12.54 | factotum | multi_io: are you kidding? If I dont get at least an hour of sun every day or so I go nuts!! Hell I even go tanning once in a while just to trick my body into staying somewhat sane |
| 23:12.57 | rokfit | i need to apt-get the right kernel |
| 23:13.03 | teledyn | heh |
| 23:13.29 | rokfit | is testing stable? |
| 23:13.42 | mc__ | rokfit: testing is ...testing |
| 23:13.48 | teledyn | rokfit: its seems to be. its very close to release |
| 23:14.05 | rokfit | teledyn: how long? |
| 23:14.15 | teledyn | rokfit: no idea |
| 23:14.17 | rokfit | i can't wait for kde 4 |
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| 23:14.35 | teledyn | rokfit: maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 23:14.37 | multi_io | rokfit: etch is testing right now, but will become stable real soon now [tm] |
| 23:14.40 | rokfit | see with amd64 i can't install wine |
| 23:14.56 | rokfit | or flash |
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| 23:15.04 | rokfit | and everyone says run 32bit |
| 23:15.06 | BrianSteffens | rokfit: i read a bit on kde4 and it said something about support for other operating systems. how real is that? |
| 23:15.24 | factotum | pretty real |
| 23:15.26 | rokfit | BrianSteffens: i don't know what you mean |
| 23:15.39 | factotum | heck i run blackbox on a win2k box |
| 23:16.07 | rokfit | i hope my sound works okay |
| 23:16.17 | rokfit | it was popping in fedora6 |
| 23:16.29 | rokfit | clicks |
| 23:16.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Time: 00:16 1.1.2007 |
| 23:16.40 | factotum | *gag8 |
| 23:16.44 | multi_io | rokfit: are you using a 64bit Debian? |
| 23:16.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Happy new year, people! |
| 23:16.54 | rokfit | no trying 32 |
| 23:17.00 | rokfit | downloading etch |
| 23:17.13 | multi_io | Dark_Apostrophe: dito |
| 23:17.26 | rokfit | i was on 64 fedora |
| 23:17.29 | multi_io | rokfit: you should've said that before :P |
| 23:17.31 | rokfit | why multi |
| 23:17.54 | multi_io | ah, ok |
| 23:17.54 | BrianSteffens | rokfit: i'd send you a link if my browser wasn't wigging out right now |
| 23:17.55 | rokfit | to what |
| 23:17.57 | multi_io | for one, I don't think the nvidia driver works on 64bit |
| 23:18.10 | rokfit | how come |
| 23:18.10 | BrianSteffens | rokfit: to what i read on kde4. i think it was the wikipedia page for it |
| 23:18.16 | multi_io | as well as wine and flash, as you said |
| 23:18.30 | rokfit | kde4 will sill have to be 32bit |
| 23:18.50 | rokfit | its okay, nothing wrong with 32bit |
| 23:19.09 | rokfit | people just get caught in the idea that 64 is so much faster |
| 23:19.30 | rokfit | which it is, but nothing is supported' |
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| 23:19.50 | BrianSteffens | that and it isn't all that much faster for normal desktop computer use |
| 23:21.19 | mc__ | BrianSteffens: well but who on debian just does normal desktop use? |
| 23:21.28 | BrianSteffens | mc__ very true |
| 23:21.38 | multi_io | wasn't much fun |
| 23:21.40 | teledyn | Dark_Apostrophe, streuner_: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html happy late new year! |
| 23:21.48 | mc__ | BrianSteffens: for instance java runs a lot faster in 64bit |
| 23:21.52 | mc__ | multi_io: did it work? |
| 23:22.34 | multi_io | mc__: the boot hang somewhere during USB initialization |
| 23:22.45 | multi_io | I didn't investigate further |
| 23:23.00 | multi_io | *hung |
| 23:23.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | teledyn: What's that site about? |
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| 23:28.12 | teledyn | Dark_Apostrophe: its like the Linux variant of a Microsoft "holiday" |
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| 23:29.28 | teledyn | intersting too that "holi-" is related to holy |
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| 23:32.57 | mfrisch | anyone gotten psad to work the deb isn't installing the libs |
| 23:34.17 | yassine | happy new year everyone!!!! |
| 23:34.38 | mfrisch | not yet,....here |
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| 23:34.49 | yassine | :) |
| 23:34.56 | znephf_ | :D |
| 23:34.56 | ofer0 | Mon Jan 1 01:34:52 IST 2007 |
| 23:35.39 | mfrisch | Sun Dec 31 18:35:30 EST 2006 |
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| 23:37.26 | mfrisch | [a]freebsd_fan: you use kfreebsd? |
| 23:37.37 | ofer0 | mfrisch, EST = NY ? |
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| 23:38.12 | mfrisch | ofer0: well I'm in Ohio, est is new york to Indiana. |
| 23:38.37 | mfrisch | ofer0: your in Europe? |
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| 23:40.17 | ofer0 | mfrisch, IST = Israel Saving Time |
| 23:40.33 | multi_io | a guy in #linux is looking for people from Ohio |
| 23:40.36 | multi_io | :P |
| 23:41.02 | mfrisch | ofer0: Oh way off. multi_io good for them- ;-) |
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| 23:41.28 | ofer0 | mfrisch, sorry but I failed to understand you |
| 23:41.51 | opepo | this is kinda random but does anyone have a demoniod.com account? |
| 23:41.54 | mfrisch | multi_io: good for them |
| 23:42.20 | mfrisch | opepo: torrent site...use to never worked |
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| 23:42.38 | ofer0 | mfrisch, oh. okay :) have a nice year, I'm off to bed |
| 23:42.45 | haldrik | hello |
| 23:42.49 | haldrik | happy new year |
| 23:42.59 | opepo | it doesn't? alright, nevermind then |
| 23:43.00 | mfrisch | ofer0: peace |
| 23:43.43 | Ryushin | I'm trying to figure out where the $CMDLINE_OPTS argument is set for /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file that is generated by alsaconf. Any ideas? |
| 23:43.50 | mfrisch | opepo: I never got it to credit me downloads. I never played with it alot though. |
| 23:44.09 | robin_sz | sigh ... email, its so damn difficult isnt it? |
| 23:44.43 | opepo | mfrisch, if you still have an account would you mind sending me an invitation, theres an album on there I can't find anywhere else |
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| 23:45.58 | mfrisch | opepo: It's been years since I have had it....I would have to hack into them trying all my username:pass combos I have had. ;-) |
| 23:46.14 | opepo | cool, thanks anyways |
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| 23:47.12 | mfrisch | opepo: what album> |
| 23:47.54 | opepo | any Corey Smith album, they have all 3 in 1 torrent on there |
| 23:48.03 | eitan_ | Hello. Can someone here help me with my debian configuration? I have a lot of questions. |
| 23:48.11 | eitan_ | I'm a newbie. |
| 23:48.53 | mfrisch | eitan_: start somewhere.. if we don't know well just give you bad advice |
| 23:48.59 | \amethyst | Ryushin: man modprobe.d |
| 23:49.02 | eitan_ | Is that a joke? |
| 23:49.07 | \amethyst | Ryushin: then search for CMDLINE_OPTS |
| 23:49.09 | mfrisch | yes |
| 23:49.13 | eitan_ | oh.. ok. |
| 23:49.33 | eitan_ | Ok... first... my debian is not recognizing my zip drive. How do I cure that? |
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| 23:49.46 | mfrisch | is it usb? |
| 23:49.56 | \amethyst | what version of debian? |
| 23:49.58 | eitan_ | no... internal ide or atapi... not sure which |
| 23:50.02 | eitan_ | 3.1r0 |
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| 23:50.33 | mfrisch | eitan_: type dmesg|grep sd at a prompt |
| 23:50.45 | blondie | PrinceAMD: please to be turning that off ;) |
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| 23:51.10 | PrinceAMD | blondie, sorry |
| 23:51.16 | eitan_ | ok, mf, nothing happened |
| 23:52.04 | mfrisch | eitan_: try the same thing but change the sd to hd |
| 23:52.20 | eitan_ | ok done... now what? |
| 23:52.46 | mfrisch | eitan_: did it list one of the devices as the zip? |
| 23:52.57 | eitan_ | yes |
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| 23:54.23 | mfrisch | so it's like hdb or hdc or something. The easiest way to access a partiion is to just mount it you can then add a fstab entry or use an automounter epending on your needs. |
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| 23:55.28 | mfrisch | eitan_: for instance type mount /dev/hdb /mnt and it will mount the b device on /mnt |
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| 23:55.52 | haldrik | How i can configure my language (locales), with a tool different of dpkg-reconconfigure locales, edit the /etc/environment file or edit /etc/locale.gen? |
| 23:56.07 | eitan_ | it's hdd. Why does it not automatically show up in the "computer" window like my dvd drive, floppy, and hard drives do? |
| 23:56.26 | eitan_ | By the way, I don't know how to mount or do fstab or automounter. |
| 23:57.34 | eitan_ | what's /mnt exactly? |
| 23:57.42 | mfrisch | eitan_: it is not in your fstab yet. fstab is in /etc/ and controlls what disk are used and when. are you in a desktop? open a console |
| 23:57.52 | eitan_ | ok done |
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| 23:58.06 | haldrik | the /mnt directory is the place of external filesystems |
| 23:58.07 | buu | eitan_: /mnt is a "folder". |
| 23:58.15 | mfrisch | type: su - and then type your root pass |
| 23:58.32 | eitan_ | ok |
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| 23:59.44 | haldrik | How i can configure my language (locales), with a tool different of dpkg-reconconfigure locales, edit the /etc/environment file or edit /etc/locale.gen? |
| 23:59.58 | eitan_ | Do you know why the debian installer didn't automatically "mount" my zip drive? |
