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00:00.02mfrischtype : mount /dev/hdd /mnt then type: cd /mnt ; ls  this should mount and list the contents of a disk
00:00.07eitan_anyway... I did hte su thing.
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00:00.29eitan_is that mount temporary for the session?
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00:01.26mfrischeitan_: debian does not setup alot of hardware the only disk you set up was your harddisk debian is on and the cdroms on the system
00:02.02eitan_ok... will mount set up the zip permanently or temporarily?
00:02.14krazykitmounts can be unmounted, eitan_
00:02.20mfrischeitan_: yes you need an entry in fstab for persistent mounts
00:02.25eitan_I want to access the zip drive through the gnome desktop with nautilus.
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00:02.54krazykiteitan_: assuming you're installing the "desktop" task as well, zip disks you put in should automagically mount
00:02.58mfrischeitan_: you need to learn to walk before trying to fly
00:03.04eitan_Then let's do the fstab thing. Do I need to do the mount command before fstab? Will fstab put the drive in the "computer" window with the other drives?
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00:03.37mfrischkrazykit: does the automounter handle ide zips?
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00:03.50eitan_well I'm sitting here willing to do what is necessary to make the zip drive behave like the cd rom drive.
00:04.17eitan_just give me the steps. I want it to show up in the computer window though... you know what I mean... in nautilus.
00:04.32krazykitmfrisch: i'm reasonably confident it does.
00:04.50eitan_ok... then lets do the fstab thing
00:05.49mfrischeitan_: so is it mounted can you see the files in nautilus look in /mnt
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00:06.54eitan_it says that I need to specify the filesystem type
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00:07.45mfrischeitan_: are they fat (windows) formated disks?
00:07.51eitan_yes
00:08.16haldrikHow i can configure my language (locales), with a tool different of dpkg-reconconfigure locales, edit the /etc/environment file or edit /etc/locale.gen?
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00:08.29eitan_but what if I want the zip drive itself to be recognized by debian in gnome regardless of the type of filesystem on any particular zip disk that I insert?
00:08.56enoufeitan_: that's specific to your DE
00:09.05eitan_my de?
00:09.09enoufI don't use gnome
00:09.16eitan_what's a de?
00:09.19mfrischtype:modprobe vfat
00:09.20blondiegnome is
00:09.40mfrischand try again
00:09.40maxycould a zip drive have partitions, I wonder...?
00:09.49eitan_I did. It gave me the same result.
00:09.54\amethysteitan_: "desktop environment"
00:10.08haldrikHow i can configure my language (locales), with a tool different of dpkg-reconconfigure locales, edit the /etc/environment file or edit /etc/locale.gen?
00:10.15eitan_... I just want my zip drive to be recognized and operate just like a floppy drive does in gnome.
00:10.19mfrischmaxy: I think you could even partition a floppy ;-0
00:10.23enoufRead the help section about Desktop Icons
00:10.51eitan_Fine... but you don't have to specify a floppy's fily system in a terminal window before the floppy drive will be recognized in gnome.
00:11.00enoufmfrisch: not really
00:11.25eitan_Ok... well... let's get this zip drive installed permanently.
00:11.28haldrikHow i can configure my language (locales), with a tool different of dpkg-reconconfigure locales, edit the /etc/environment file or edit /etc/locale.gen?
00:11.46\amethystIf you set the fs as "auto" in fstab (as is probably already set there for the floppy), it should work at least for Windows ZIP disks
00:11.56\amethystdon't know what FS types "auto" tries
00:12.22eitan_ok... can you give me the step by step? I'm a newbie.
00:12.27eitan_Please?
00:12.34maxyeitan_: your error message may indicate other problems. Maybe the file system would be recognized, if it would work that way.
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00:12.58mfrisch\amethyst: he wants the automounter to do it
00:12.59\amethysteitan_:  what did you type when you tried to mount?
00:13.21eitan_mount /dev/hdd /mnt
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00:13.39\amethystwhat happens if you try /dev/hdd1 or /dev/hdd4  instead?
00:13.51mfrischshit theres a partition on it
00:14.02\amethystzip disks usually have partitions
00:14.04mfrischmount /dev/hdd1 /mnt
00:14.13\amethystit might be partition 4
00:14.14\amethystor 1
00:14.29eitan_tried all of them... same result
00:14.37\amethystah, oh well
00:14.56eitan_Can we get automounter to do this like mf proposes?
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00:16.03mfrischeitan_: not untill you can mount it manually
00:16.03eitan_ok
00:16.04eitan_then... what now?
00:16.04mfrischdid you modprobe vfat/
00:16.06mfrischdid you modprobe vfat?
00:16.24eitan_it says: modprobe: Can't locate module vfat/
00:16.31jazbo2185Hi folks; I'd like to archive a webpage and automatically archive all the pages that are linked from the first page as well. How would I do this?
00:16.55maxyjazbo2185: wget has options for this
00:17.07mfrischeitan_: no / I didn't hit shift fast enough ;-)
00:17.32eitan_nothing happens
00:17.35jazbo2185maxy: ooooooh cool.  Thanks
00:17.52mfrischok now try the mount again.
00:18.44eitan_I did... it says: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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00:20.47maxyjazbo2185: especially --level and --recursive, maybe you also need accept/reject lists
00:21.33pingouinhow can i know my ip in console ?
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00:21.49pumpkin0pingouin: become root and run ifconfig
00:22.11maxyor don't become root and run /sbin/ifconfig
00:22.15enoufor just /sbin/ipconfig
00:22.26enoufer ifconfig
00:22.38mfrischeitan_: try: modprobe msdos and then the mount again...unless there is something else stoping it from working..I and running out of options.
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00:23.58maxymaybe it's the wrong device or the kernel has no driver for it loaded... try 'dmesg'
00:24.09eitan_I get the same result with the exception of hdd0, for which it says: epc:/# mount /dev/hdd0 /mnt
00:24.09eitan_mount: special device /dev/hdd0 does not exist
00:24.39multi_ioit's mount -t vfat /dev/hdxy /mn/wherever
00:24.41pumpkin0eitan_: stop guessing, loog at dmesg. which device is the right one ?
00:24.58mfrischeitan_: if it mounts it you would get no message. just a new command prompt
00:25.17enoufeitan_: apt-get install dosfstools
00:25.22eitan_I did dmesg... it give me a long list with all the entries looking like this: hdd4: bad access: block=10, count=6
00:25.22eitan_end_request: I/O error, dev 16:44 (hdd), sector 10
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00:25.55pingouinpumpkin0: ok, but ifconfig give me only the local ip (192.168.0.x)
00:26.18pumpkin0pingouin: and you asked for your IP. now what's the problem ?
00:26.57pingouinpumpkin0: sorry...i meant my ip..not local
00:26.57enoufeitan_: sudo modprobe -l | grep vfat
00:27.01bonez39I am running on a new Athlon 3200 64 bit machine...I have win xp pro installed, and recently cleared 5 mb of space at front of the drive...sata 250 gb ... to make room for /root and /boot... I am trying to install with AMB 64 SARGE cd..but I can't get it to see the available partitions..
00:27.05mfrischpingouin: you want your routers  ip
00:27.06enoufeitan_: sudo modprobe -l | grep fat as well
00:27.22maxypingouin: you have to either ask your NAT device, or go to a website that echos your IP
00:27.45eitan_dosfstools is already installed
00:27.46bonez39what am I missing? oh, and my airnet AWD154 wireless pci adapter..... I can't find any drivers for it
00:27.50mfrischbonez39: need more space than that?
00:28.04enoufeitan_: as root modprobe fat
00:28.07eitan_Do I need a root terminal to be doing this?
00:28.27enoufyes
00:28.29bonez39mfrisch I just want that for /boot... and to install grub....
00:28.55bonez39mfrisch I intend to install debian on a 75 gb partition elsewhere on the drive....past win xp pro
00:29.00eitan_no wonder it didn't work... ok... opening a root window
00:29.15mfrischbonez39: /boot should be around 25 mb and root at least 150 mb IMHO
00:29.48bonez39mfrisch did I say 5 megt...I meant 5 gig.....space at front of the disk
00:30.05mfrischbonez39: you just need a /boot and then use lvm for the rest on the 75 gb
00:30.28bonez39mfrisch ok.....I have 5 gig...at the start of teh drive......
00:30.58enoufeitan_: when you run modprobe as non root you get this error "bash: modprobe: command not found"
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00:31.13eitan_ok... I did the whole modprobe and mount stuff as root... same results
00:31.22eitan_no... didn't
00:31.27enoufeitan_: lsmod | grep fat
00:31.50eitan_but... that's not important now since I'm in a root window now.
00:31.51bonez39mfrisch   even though I can't find my NIC drivers yet..I can't even get to the point where the debian installer will format the available drives....
00:31.55robin_szahh, imapd seems a bit slow when /var/mail/root has 14000 unread emssages ... I guess this is natures way of telling me to read system mails more often??
00:32.29eitan_vfat                   10540   0  (unused)
00:32.29eitan_fat                    31960   0  [msdos vfat]
00:32.34mfrischbonez39: well thats a little to much but will do.  I would still chop it to  a 256mb partition for /boot and you can use the rest with the 75gb.  You are using rc1 for install.  You need a nic to install from the net.
00:32.58enoufeitan_: ok now lsmod | grep ide and pastebinca the results
00:33.12samuelare there any drop in replacements for debian init system? id like to try something new
00:33.14eitan_I don't know what pastebinca is.
00:33.16enoufer pastebin.ca or channels.debian.net
00:33.22samuelsomething faster than sysv?
00:33.33enouf!tell eitan_ about pastebin
00:33.51mfrischsamuel: runit get ready to write the init scripts ;-)
00:33.51robin_szsamuel, well, you could try mac OSX
00:34.22eitan_the results are only 10 lines long.
00:34.36pumpkin0eitan_: that will get you kicked.
00:34.39pumpkin0!pastebin
00:34.39dpkgmethinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc'
00:34.42samuelrobin_sz: thanks, no thanks... ive just finally got rid of it in this nice macbook...
00:34.43eitan_ok... fine
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00:35.20bonez39mfrisch ok, fine...I'll keep looking til I find drivers.....but it won't even recognize the space...either at front or further out on the drive
00:35.32robin_szsamuel, well sysv style init kinda comes withthe territory, and speed is not an issue is it? I mean you only boot once every year or so anyway
00:36.17maxylet's bring some google in:
00:36.19maxyalias block-major-22 ide-floppy
00:36.19maxypre-install ide-floppy modprobe "-k" "ide-mod"; modprobe "-k" "ide-probe-mod"
00:36.26mfrischbonez39: which install cd are you using?  Does it show the ntfs partion?  Does it show free space at all?
00:36.33eitan_done
00:37.11maxyups wrong paste
00:37.17robin_szand the pastebin URL for your paste?
00:37.17bonez39mfrisch it doesn't even show the ntfs partition, or the fat32 partition for shared drive space....between xp and linux......
00:37.32enoufeitan_: tell us the resultant URL
00:37.33eitan_channels.debian.net/paste
00:37.42bonez39mfrisch no, it doesn't show any free space...it's all red and can't see any space to partition....
00:37.43enouftry again ..
00:37.48samuelrobin_sz: well, laptops do boot somewhat more if you cant get suspend working!!! :( really the issue is that this mac seems to hang for almost 30 secs before getting to grub... im not sure how to solve that
00:37.59robin_szyou know, I'm beginning to think that just letting him paste the 10 lines in the first place would have been easier
00:38.31enoufrobin_sz: it's a necessary baby step ..:-)
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00:39.12enoufrobin_sz: we know he's gonna be needing that again
00:39.16robin_szsamuel, well, thats not an init thing then is it ... its way before that ... Id check the BIOS for boot from cd, boot from floppy, boot from USB attched storage, boot from mars etc and disable the ones you dont need,
00:39.17mfrischbonez39: don't make any changes and use a new install cd....its called rc1 You should see all partions and free space.
00:39.32enoufitchi: Debianistas!
00:39.49itchienouf: Espagnol?
00:40.07robin_szLesbianistas!
00:40.09samuelrobin_sz: i think its connecting to steve jobs personal server to let him know what blasphemer is not booting ox
00:40.17robin_szheh
00:40.19enoufitchi: yes .. I do like escarole from time to time :-P
00:40.20itchirobin_sz: Espagnola?
00:40.29itchihehe
00:40.39robin_sznon hablo espagnol
00:41.03robin_szwait, thats not *quite* true ...
00:41.13eitan_did you get my paste?
00:41.14robin_sztres cerveza por favor!
00:41.18blondie!es
00:41.19dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:41.19robin_szsee ! ;)
00:41.22enoufeitan_: not yet ..
00:41.23ThePubrobin_sz: you speak taco bell, right?
00:41.24itchiI not yet understand Espagnol :-)
00:41.34bonez39mfrisch are you suggesting I burn a new amd64 disc?
00:41.53pumpkin0eitan_: there are about 50 000 posts on that site. Give us the link to your post ... we will not search for it.
00:41.57enoufeitan_: there's a resulting URL you'll see once you submit your paste .. tell us that URL
00:42.00eitan_it's paste #4969
00:42.07robin_szI know "3 beers please" and thats about it ... it was a *slight* problem when there were only 2 of us, but it was easier to drink the extra beer than learn "two" ;)
00:42.16eitan_This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/4969.
00:42.33enoufeitan_: ahh .. better
00:42.33bonez39mfrisch I have an older woody disc...which has worked well for me....a year or two....should I try installing with it, and then once running d/l and install the amd 64 kernel?
00:43.12mfrischbonez39: which one are you using yes I just did. I use the netinstall iso.  But your nic has to be seen,  the new kernel is alot better,  amd64 has grown up alot in a year!
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00:43.47bonez39mfrisch I d/l'd and burned the business card netinstall iso.......
00:43.55robin_szitchi, the other *slight* problem os that tres is three in spanish, but 13 in french ... which once resulted in 13 beers arriving by mistake, it was a tough job, but we were up to it ;)
00:43.58enoufeitan_: the only one I can see missing is ide-generic .. so modprobe ide-generic
00:44.15xriHey folks, sorry for the stupid quesiton, but I come from fedora, and I was just going to attempt to install debian, is there any big differeneces I should be concerned about besides the move from yum to apt?
00:44.27eitan_modprobe: Can't locate module ide-generic
00:44.28bonez39I just barely burned this iso, for amd 64....it's not a year old, my WOODY disk is a year or two old...the amd disc is new....I just burned it a few days ago...and it boots up and loads the installer but won't see my drive
00:44.57pumpkin0xri: never mix sarge, etch and sid. Pick your thing and stay with it.
00:45.05enoufeitan_: cat /etc/debian_version
00:45.14xripumpkin: Yea, Im going to go with etch
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00:45.29robin_szxri, no, its just Linux, you might have to apt-get a few more things than you did initially with fedora (that loads loads of stuff you never use by default) but apart from that, its just Linux .. there are differences, but its not too frightening
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00:45.49eitan_3.1
00:45.57mfrischenouf: I was helping a ubuntu user eeewwwwhh
00:45.59xriThis community is a lot better than the ones at fedora :), they would be insulting my intelligence right about now..
00:46.15enoufI'm tellin ya .. we'll see ..
00:46.23mfrischxri: oh they will here too!
00:46.24enoufeitan_: cat /proc/version
00:46.32xrihaha
00:46.34itchi!beer robin_sz
00:46.36robin_szxri, s'ok ... we do that bit here too ;)
00:46.37itchi:-)
00:46.46eitan_Linux version 2.4.27-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon May 16 17:03:22 JST 2005
00:46.49robin_szglug ... glug .. glug ...
00:46.52pumpkin0xri: etch is a good choice. pick apt or aptitude. There is nothing really bad about mixing them but some of aptitudes nice features stop working if you use apt-get a lot.
00:46.53enouf!cluebat xri
00:47.03enouffeel at home? xri
00:47.06xrihaha
00:47.12enouf:-)
00:47.14xriI read about aptitude
00:47.20xrilooks like synaptic
00:47.26robin_szyeah
00:47.39robin_szif you prefer a GUI use it .. if you prefer a command line, dont
00:47.39xriI just cant choose between gnome and xfce
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00:48.12pumpkin0xri: have both ?
00:48.24itchixri: Use fluxbox, an the problem is solved :-)
00:48.25robin_szor change your mind later on
00:48.30xripumpkin: I could never do that, takes me hours to get one looking the way I like it
00:48.47xriFluxbox is a little too lightweight for me
00:48.51enoufeitan_: upgrade your kernel .. or visit tldp.org and learn about devfs and hotplug and 2.4.27 stuff
00:49.10itchixri: Have here gnome, kde, fluxbox, xfce, and many more installed, bit stupid like i use fluxbox, but nice when you want to show the stuff, like it's on a laptop
00:49.11mfrischxri: xfce is nice
00:49.19pumpkin0xri: ratpoison ?
00:49.36pumpkin0xri: gnome + compiz if you like eyecandy ?
00:49.45xrinah, I dont like compiz
00:49.50itchipumpkin0: Yeah, ratpoison is installed yesterday, just need to read now how that work :-)
00:49.58eitan_Can someone please tell me where I can find out what kernels are associated with what releases? Like 3.1r1, 3.1r2, 3.1r3, 3.1r4, etc?
00:50.13enouf!tell eitan_ about sarge upgrade kernel
00:50.15xriCall me a windows guy all you want, but I dont use multiple desktops :X
00:50.16pumpkin0eitan_: 3.1 = 2.6.8
00:50.30enoufeitan_: see what dpkg told you should you decide to upgrade the kernel
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00:50.47maxyor maybe you need to go via ide-scsi?
00:51.00enoufeitan_: Sarge (all releases) can use 2.4.27 or 2.6.8
00:51.03pumpkin0!confuse eitan
00:51.03dpkgYes, those are their pineapple yesterday, eitan? pants of the people's republic of swaziland with extra anchovies
00:51.16itchixri: Yeah, it's to show the stuff, it's easy with an /mobile/ computer :-)
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00:51.24itchis/an/a/
00:51.27xrihaha
00:51.33enoufeitan_: Etch drops support for 2.4.27 .. (as far as New installs goes)
00:51.34eitan_Two questions: #1 can I specify which kernel version I want to upgrade to? For example let's say I want to do 2.6.11 ?
00:51.35xriAll I do is chat, and download/watch movies
00:51.42JockeTFHappy new year! :)
00:51.51itchixri: You will be happy then with fluxbox :-)
00:51.56DewiI have a machine with two SATA controllers (one onboard, one PCI). It had 4 drives and it was booting with grub. However I swapped some drives out and swapped some others in, and now it will only boot when my PCI controller has no drives on it.
00:51.59itchiJockeTF: :-p
00:52.05enoufeitan_: well Sarge only goes to 2.6.8 "Officially" .. or you can unofficially use a higher kernel
00:52.10itchiJockeTF: Happy newyear too ;-)
00:52.10eitan_Question #2: Is there a drawback to only upgrading the kernel, or should reinstall debian?
00:52.15xriI suppose I'll give fluxbox a shot, it's in repositories in deb, right?
00:52.22pumpkin0xri: sure
00:52.27xrialright, adios
00:52.32enoufeitan_: no .. just upgrade the kernel .. no  need to reinstall at all
00:52.43JockeTFitchi: :)
00:52.44eitan_Oh.... question #3: same issue... what kernels are assoicated with the 3.1r1 3.1r2, 3.1r3, and 3.1r4 releases?
00:52.58enoufeitan_: same answer Sarge (all releases) can use 2.4.27 or 2.6.8
00:53.02DewiI've tried putting my boot drive in all 4 positions; I've tried just swapping things around for literally 3+ hours... why would adding drives be causing it to not boot? In fact it doesn't just fail to boot; it actually hangs...
00:53.22blondieDewi: loose connection? :P
00:53.26Dewidoes grub care that I have changed the set of drives?
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00:53.29enoufeitan_: or 'unofficially' .. a Backported kerenl
00:53.32itchieitan_: Maybe see  /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18
00:53.33pumpkin0Dewi: yes
00:53.36Dewiblondie: I think swapping drives aronud for 3 hours takes care of that
00:53.44Dewipumpkin0: ?
00:53.50blondieDewi: depends if you're heavy handed :|
00:53.52itchieitan_: Just to give you an idea about it
00:53.55enoufitchi: now now .. we know .. but njot for him/her right now
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00:54.02Dewiblondie: well I probably have been by now
00:54.13itchienouf: Yeah ;-)
00:54.33pumpkin0Dewi: grub boots the drive you set in /boot/grub/menu... If you set hd(0,0) it will try to boot hd(0,0).
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00:54.56xrisorry, one more question, is this etch: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso ??
00:54.57pumpkin0Dewi: so, yes it cares about the position of the drive.
00:54.58Dewipumpkin0: why would grub be booting on anything else?
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00:55.39xridebian-31r4 = etch?
00:55.51pumpkin0xri: no, sarge
00:56.00xrioh, etch is still 'testing'?
00:56.03pumpkin0xri: etch will have 4.X
00:56.16pumpkin0xri: it is frozen testing and safe to use.
00:56.27xrialright
00:56.35Dewipumpkin0: I mean... will grub even get to that point if my drive isn't first?
00:56.54xriah, got it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
00:56.59Dewipumpkin0: anyway I've tried swapping drives and controllers dozens of times now... it has to be more than boot order
00:57.05teledyn_xri: here is etch:  http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
00:57.08pumpkin0xri: yes, that's the righ one.
00:57.15xrikk, ty both
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00:57.28pumpkin0Dewi: is the grub-menu showing ?
00:57.33Dewipumpkin0: no
00:57.41pumpkin0Dewi: no errors ?
00:58.09Dewipumpkin0: the machine just hangs. It even hangs if I have no bootable drives at all. If I tell BIOS to boot SCSI and then CD-ROM it never gets to booting CD-ROM
00:58.11enoufdesus: make sure ~$ cat /boot/grub/device.map is correct still .. check your BIOS settings are the same
00:58.24enoufDewi: ^^^
00:58.28enoufstinking tabs
00:58.31Dewipumpkin0: and occasionally I see corrupted text
00:58.54teledyn_Dewi: you want to *install* grub (run grub-install) on the primary master device.  /boot/grub can be on any drive
00:58.54pumpkin0Dewi: that looks like a BIOS-thing. Did you enable boot over network ?
00:58.57eitan_Do you know what kernels were released with 3.1r1, 3.1r2, 3.1r3, etc?
00:58.59Dewiguys, the drive boots when it is alone
00:59.17eitan_Is there anywhere I can look that up? I checked the debian website... couldn't find that info.
00:59.34teledyn_Dewi: there's a difference between the root and the boot device
00:59.34Dewiso... boot and grub and everything else MUST be on the one drive
00:59.37pumpkin0eitan_: all these releases are now the same: sarge. And sarge uses 2.6.8
00:59.40Guerineitan_: same kernel with each, though with security backports
00:59.55teledyn_Dewi: the boot device must always be the first drive detected by the BIOS - primary master.  root can be anything
00:59.58enoufeitan_: all those releases fall under "sarge" .. /msg dpkg releases
01:00.28enoufeitan_: Sarge=Stable, Etch=Testing, Sid=Unstable
01:00.40eitan_... I know that the newest one is 2.6.8 ... you see, for know I want to avoid a kernel later than 2.6.11
01:01.02teledyn_Dewi: don't confuse the device you specify to the grub-install command with the root device in your menu.lst
01:01.10pumpkin0Dewi: grub (the thing in the MBR) can by on any drive as long as the BIOS boots it. /boot has to be on a drive grub can see (not on Samba). The rest can be pretty much anywhere you like it.
01:01.25maxyDewi: IIRC when you set the second drive as a boot drive in the BIOS, grub can get confused... the disks get ordered different from what is assumed when installing grub.
01:01.30enoufeitan_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 as dpkg told you
01:01.40DewiYes, but they are on the same drive because it works fine until I add disks to the new controller which triggers a device renumbering
01:01.47itchiGona tryout ratpoison, have read a bit about it, gona see if i can use it now :-p
01:01.57eitan_Is that basically like saying 2.6.0 ?
01:02.05Guerinhttp://www.radionz.co.nz/news/latest/200612291503/cancer_doctor_starts_smoking_in_protest_at_strikes # stupidest protest evar
01:02.10DewiHowever I have tried every single position on the new controller, and the old controller, dozens of times
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01:02.19enoufeitan_: "/msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel" to read it again
01:02.20Guerinmaxy: you cna unmount it once it's up if you're paranoid
01:02.28Guerinmulti_io:
01:02.35teledyn_Dewi: then you only need to run grub-install <new device> to install it to the MBR of the new drive
01:02.44pumpkin0Dewi: so the new controller cannot boot/start grub.
01:02.56Dewiwhich new drive?
01:02.59pumpkin0teledyn_: he has a new controller and a old HD with grub installed ...
01:03.18Dewisurely whatever drive you are talking about, I could swap with and it should boot?
01:03.33pumpkin0Dewi: any settings in the controller-BIOS related to booting ?
01:03.37teledyn_Dewi: you don't need to swap drives!
01:03.47blondie2007-01-01 00:59:58 < teledyn_> Dewi: the boot device must always be the first drive detected by the BIOS - primary master.  root can be  anything
01:03.52blondiehow do you work that out?
01:03.59eitan_can I upgrade the kernel in synaptic to 2.6?
01:04.01teledyn_blondie: yes.  exactly!
01:04.16blondieteledyn_: BIOSes well boot from drives other than the primary master...
01:04.17teledyn_blondie: that is not the ROOT device.
01:04.20pumpkin0teledyn_: that is a bit off ...
01:04.22Dewiteledyn_: I don't want my system spread across multiple drives
01:04.26teledyn_blondie: they may or may not
01:04.32itchiokay, back and in ratpoison :-)
01:04.37enoufeitan_: it will only install up to 2.6.8 .. but if you really really ant .. by all means use kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 instead
01:04.49Dewiteledyn_: I just want to boot off my single disk while other drives are pressent
01:04.55teledyn_Dewi: its not.  you can also specify /dev/fd0 to grub-install and just use a floppy
01:04.57blondieteledyn_: I think you'd be pushed to find one that doesn't. Many don't even have a primary master anymore :P
01:05.02Dewiand even if I did want to run grub install, how can I if I cannot boot?
01:05.22pumpkin0Dewi: it is a SCSI controller, right ?
01:05.26eitan_I tried upgrading the kernel with synaptic but it doesn't give me the choice to do 2.6 .
01:05.27maxyDewi: knoppix?
01:05.27Dewiit's SATA
01:05.33enoufeitan_: use apt-get (or aptitude .. cringes)
01:05.34Dewibut the BIOS thinks it is SCSI
01:05.42teledyn_Dewi: you need to mount the drive with the root partition, mount it, and run grub install
01:05.57Dewiif I am booting off it already when it is a single drive, why do I need to run grub?
01:06.13teledyn_ok i'm outta here.  good luck with this
01:06.22teledyn_go google on grub and read about it if you want to learn
01:06.35teledyn_its very basic
01:07.00teledyn_you know what an MBR is?
01:07.01Dewiyou seem to be saying grub cares what drives 1,2,3 are... but shouldn't it only care about drive 0?
01:07.01blondieif the machine boots with just the one disk, adding extra ones shouldn't require you to meddle with grub
01:07.04eitan_E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
01:07.04eitan_E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
01:07.10eitan_now what?
01:07.17enoufDewi: you likely have a crappy pata<->sata bridge chipset
01:07.24Guerin!jatfq eitan_
01:07.24dpkgeitan_: Just Answer The Fucking Question
01:07.25Dewidrive 0 works, I know it works, this isn't about MBRs or the position of root or /boot...
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01:07.31Dewienouf: it's been running fine for a year
01:07.39Dewienouf: all I did was swap a few disks for new ones
01:07.44pumpkin0Dewi: OK, let's put the puzzle together: you have a old drive that has grub and everything. It boots with controller X if and only if the drive is the only drive installed. once you install a 2. drive the system hangs even before grub is loaded ?
01:07.45blondieDewi: I would agree that it should work and you don't need to play with grub
01:07.47enoufDewi: no matter .. dsame hardware
01:07.57Dewipumpkin0: yes
01:08.07Dewienouf: I've swapped most of it out for other hardware
01:08.19eitan_What question?
01:08.24enoufDewi: you took away the Disk(s) that had Stage1,1.5,2 .. or intermingled them,
01:08.24pumpkin0Dewi: the new drive is bigger then 128GB and all the other are < 128 GB ?
01:08.36Dewipumpkin0: they have all always been bigger than 128gb
01:08.47pumpkin0Dewi: you removed at least one drive ?
01:08.48Dewienouf: it boots alone still
01:08.50teledyn_you act like running grub-install is going to break something.
01:08.53enoufeitan_: are you root?
01:09.02eitan_yes
01:09.06Dewipumpkin0: yes, but the boot disk still boots when alone
01:09.19pumpkin0teledyn_: grub-install is broken on that system right now...
01:09.39pumpkin0Dewi: mixing SATA I and SATA II drives ?
01:09.49Dewipumpkin0: probably
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01:10.00DewiI've tried swapping back in the old disks
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01:10.03pumpkin0Dewi: all drives show up correctly in BIOS ?
01:10.05Dewibut probably not at the same positions
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01:10.11Dewibecause I can't boot to see what the positions are
01:10.26blondieboot from a CD
01:10.27pumpkin0Dewi: all drives show up correctly in BIOS ?
01:10.31Dewipumpkin0: if you mean the silicon image drive listing screen, yeah
01:10.35pumpkin0Dewi: and all drives are useable in knoppix ?
01:10.48itchiWho told me about ratpoison?
01:10.56Dewipumpkin0: I'm sure they will be if I haven't broken any by swapping cables for 3 hours
01:10.57enoufeitan_: you seem to have Synaptic or Aptitude open as well then
01:11.23enoufEulex: you can NOT have any more than one open at a time
01:11.24eitan_not that I can see
01:11.35enoufeitan_:   you can NOT have any more than one open at a time
01:11.35Dewithing is, I'm pretty suer that the secondary controller *inserts* itself in the boot order
01:11.38Dewiand yet
01:11.46DewiI still have never managed to boot from that controller at all
01:11.59pumpkin0Dewi: my guess: you have a new drive that is killing the controller dead-on. That happens sometimes then connecting SATA I and SATA II hardware. The knoppix-test should show it. (sec. controller ? There is a new controller too ?)
01:12.07Dewidespite trying every position multiple times
01:12.16Dewiand despite it being the same one I have been using to boot for months
01:12.16enoufeitan_: or you have unfinished a update/upgrade , installation process .. it seems
01:12.20Eulexenouf, woot?
01:12.20Dewiand desptie swapping out the hardware
01:12.24Eulexenouf, ah.
01:12.33enoufEulex: apologies .. tab tab .. bad tab :-)
01:12.42Eulexyep, understood :)
01:12.47Dewipumpkin0: I've got 4 new drives here; I've been trying every combination, including bringing back old drives I had removed
01:12.52enoufgracias mi amigo :-)
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01:13.14Eulexbtw, I converted a user to debian this new year's eve
01:13.16pumpkin0Dewi: and a new controller or still the old one ?
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01:13.25pumpkin0Eulex: congrats.
01:13.31eitan_ok... solved that... but now it's saying that it wants to install 2.6.8 ... I don't want to install anything newer than 2.6.11 .
01:13.33Dewipumpkin0: the thing that really puzzles me is, why am I not seeing any message to say NO BOOT DEVICE, even when I deliberately remove all bootable drives?
01:13.35enouf!prize Eulex
01:13.42enoufhaha
01:13.46eitan_I'm sorry.. I may be misunderstanding...
01:13.47Eulexlol
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01:13.48Dewipumpkin0: I've tried two controllers, the original and a new one
01:13.50enoufno URL though
01:13.52eitan_is 2.6.8 newer than 2.6.11 or older?
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01:14.02enoufEulex: older
01:14.02blondieDewi: er at what point does it hang (sorry if you already said)
01:14.05enoufBAH!!!
01:14.10eitan_oh! wonderful...
01:14.11pumpkin0Dewi: the BIOS is confused and tries to boot via network (the timeouts are around 15mins)
01:14.13Eulexhe was very satisfied with etch :)
01:14.14Dewiblondie: instantly the moment it tries to boot
01:14.18enoufeitan_: cahnge you nick NOW! ..
01:14.23Dewipumpkin0: ouch
01:14.30eitan_why?
01:14.43enoufeitan_: just kidding
01:14.55Dewipumpkin0: I'm pretty sure it is hanging though, since my num lock key will work about 3 times and then stops. And ctrl-alt-delete doesn't work. and sometimes I get screen corruption
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01:15.06enoufeitan_: why do you want 2.6.11?
01:15.24pumpkin0Dewi: that sounds like really badly broken hardware.
01:15.24eitan_So are kernels newer than 2.6.8 still in testing or unstable?
01:15.25Dewimulti_io: maybe '
01:15.28itchiWoooaaa ratpoison :-)
01:15.43multi_io...the kernel recognizes the HDD without any problems
01:15.45Guerineitan_: of course
01:15.46blondieDewi: so it doesn't get to grub then
01:15.51eitan_oh!!! :)
01:15.52Guerinratpoison is for luddites
01:15.56Guerinhonestly
01:15.59Dewipumpkin0: and yet it works with just the one drive, and all other hardware involved has been replacced
01:16.04Guerinwindows are supposed to be different sizes
01:16.07blondieDewi: did you replace cables?
01:16.15Guerinif you don't need x, just run screen
01:16.31eitan_ok... now out of curiosity, why didn't synaptic show an option to upgrade to 2.6.8? Any ideas?
01:16.41Dewipumpkin0: although mboards have some kind of effect here because one of the drives I bought was a 750GB one, and neither of the linux machines in my house will even POST with it plugged in
01:16.58Dewipumpkin0: only my gaming box will recognise and happily use it
01:17.00Guerineitan_: don't use synaptic
01:17.07pumpkin0Dewi: i cannot help you, that is a BIOS or hardware problem. 750GB is to big for some controllers.
01:17.16eitan_not good? buggy?
01:17.38enoufeitan_: synaptic is er  ..not good
01:17.45eitan_ok
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01:17.51enouf!tell eitan_ about synaptic
01:17.51Dewipumpkin0: I've tried a number of newer controllers than the one in the gaming box. it's the mainboard somehow
01:17.58itchiGuerin: I just try it out and use it right now
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01:18.20eitan_...downloading the kernel...
01:18.21enoufdo you really want to sue something associated with "Connectiva"?
01:18.24multi_iopumpkin0: most of the time it's not a problem with the controller but with the BIOS software
01:18.26enoufer use
01:18.32Guerinitchi: use evilwm
01:18.33itchiGuerin: Just discovered, someone told me about it, so i try ;-) Yeah, still like fluxbox more :-p
01:18.35multi_iowhich is why what I suggested might work
01:18.46enoufeitan_: using LiLo or Grub?
01:18.59Dewimulti_io: well I can't even post with the 750 in so it won't help that, but I am interested by your idea
01:19.04eitan_grub
01:19.09Dewimulti_io: the only problem is, I sure don't trust floppy disks
01:19.14enouf!tell eitan_ about sarge upgrade kernel
01:19.14Dewimulti_io: can I use a CD-ROM?
01:19.15eitan_I had a question about grub too
01:19.48enoufeitan_: I did that one more time so you're clear on what to make sure exists in your /etc/kernel-img.conf
01:20.04itchiGuerin: Installing the stuff ... ;-)
01:20.14Dewibrb
01:20.15multi_ioDewi: it should work unless the CD-ROM also hangs on one of the misbehaving controllers
01:21.15itchiGuerin: I founded ratpoison nice because in lesser as 20 minutes i got it working
01:21.25itchiGuerin: It's so easy to use, aka screen :-)
01:21.29eitan_well it did it.
01:21.45itchiGona give evilwm a try now :-)
01:21.58eitan_I'm going to reboot with the new kernel now then.
01:22.00eitan_ok?
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01:22.09enoufok
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01:23.07Ilovemypuppythanks
01:23.15enoufnice doggy :-)
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01:25.22Ilovemypuppy10 lbs of love
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01:30.48eitanhello again
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01:31.06eitanok... I got the new kernel installed, and now I have a new issue as a result.
01:31.18eitanHow do I remove the old kernel?
01:31.42enoufeitan: hang onto it for a bit
01:31.46eitanwhy?
01:31.58enoufbecause I said so ..
01:32.04eitanhuh?
01:32.19enoufeitan: it's a smarter strategy
01:32.19Dewihmm. it seems like the PCI SATA controller will hang on boot no matter what I plug into it
01:32.24eitanwhy?
01:32.36Dewiunless I plug *nothing* into it; because then it falls out of the boot order
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01:33.02Dewionly problem is, I bet when I swap it out for a *third* PCI SATA controller it will do the same thing
01:33.17abrotmantried a different slot ?
01:33.22eitancan you just tell me how to uninstall the old kernel?
01:33.28enoufwhy is the sky blue? .. why do ducks quack? ..
01:33.35Dewiabrotman: no... but it's been running in this slot for months
01:33.48abrotmanenouf: reflection ... communication of the species
01:33.51xinguenouf: why do bird sing?
01:34.05abrotmanDewi: ah ok
01:34.08multi_ioevolution made them do it
01:34.12enoufeitan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
01:34.26abrotmanDewi: you broked it
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01:34.39Dewiabrotman: all I have done is swap a few non-boot devices for a few other non-boot devices and now my machine is a paperweight I have spent my whole christmas holiday failing to boot
01:34.56abrotmanDewi: get out of bed!
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01:35.16abrotmanDewi: putting the old ones back in does what ?
01:35.49Dewiabrotman: well I haven't put them all back, but putting one back doesn't seem to help. I don't know the exact order they were in because HDs kind of look alike
01:36.28abrotmanDewi: does the order matter? are they raid devices ?
01:36.28Dewibut I'm pretty sure that adding a PCI controller additional to the onboard one, causes the boot order to change so that the PCI card is the booting one
01:36.36Azarhello honorables
01:36.37cuscohappy new year
01:36.48abrotmanDewi: yes .. it might very well .. the BIOS might have an option for that
01:36.50Dewiand right now I can't get that controller to boot at all
01:36.54cuscohappy gnu year
01:37.03Azar:) yeee!
01:37.20Dewiany time a drive is plugged into the PCI controller, my machine hangs on boot. Whether it's a bootable disk or not.
01:37.32DewiAnd no matter what position it is ni.
01:37.32abrotmanhow long have you waited ?
01:37.44DewiAnd even if I swap the PCI controller out for other hardware
01:37.50Dewiabrotman: not long
01:38.01Dewiabrotman: when boot succeeds it is normally instantaneous
01:38.05abrotmanDewi: not long being .. five minutes or what ?
01:38.11Dewia few seconds
01:38.12abrotmanit could be probing the devices
01:38.22Dewino, it does that before POST
01:38.31Dewialso my machine hangs
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01:38.38Dewithe num lock will work for like 3 times and then it stops
01:38.43Dewiand no ctrl-alt-delete
01:38.48Dewiand occasional screen corruption
01:38.58multi_ioDewi: oh, you mean it hangs when the GRUB/Lilo prompt shoudl appear?
01:39.15multi_ionot during POST?
01:39.24abrotmanDewi: not a single option in the bios to stop having it try to boot from PCI slots ?
01:40.13Dewiabrotman: nope. I don't even want it booting from the PCI, but if it is in, AND it has drives on it, the onboard controller is on longer what boots
01:40.19eitanok ... super! I did it.
01:40.26Dewimulti_io: yes. It hangs after "CD-ROM boot..." if CD-ROM boot is first
01:40.46eitanOk... now regarding the zip drive... it is still not recognized
01:41.15enoufDewi: I heard a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-xxxxx may help ... somehow .. but a guess
01:41.29abrotmanenouf: it's not getting to GRUB/lilo
01:41.37abrotmanit's a hardware problem
01:41.38enoufeitan: modprobe ide-generic
01:41.56enoufabrotman: yeah I know .. but who knows what was on the drives that were removed ..
01:42.14abrotmanDewi: the new drives are totally clean ? unformatted ?
01:42.16eitanok
01:42.56multi_ioDewi: then my suggestion from earlier probably won't work
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01:43.50eitannow what?
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01:44.30sparrCan anyone recommend an RSS reader with good filtering capabilities?  I want one suited for monitoring things like auction sites.
01:44.35enoufabrotman: for ex; 2 HDDs here ... Grub is installed into BOTH MBRs, yet uses the 1st MBR to boot the second disk .. IOW .. sudo dd if=/dev/hd{a|c} bs=512 count=1 | xxd  show the same thing
01:44.56enoufeitan: do you see the zip drive during POST?
01:45.03enoufeitan: recognized?
01:45.12abrotmanenouf: it's trying to boot from his PCI controller instead of the onboard one
01:45.14Thmshow to know the status of a package with dpkg ? If it is installed or not ?
01:45.21abrotmanThms: man dpkg
01:45.25eitanthe post went by way too fast!
01:45.26enoufeitan: are there any othe devices on that IDE Channel?
01:45.33eitanyes... the dvd burner
01:45.34Thmsabrotman: I read but dpkg -s don't give installed or not
01:45.43enoufabrotman: ..ok ..wasn't following too closely
01:45.46abrotmanThms: read it again
01:45.51abrotmanenouf: at least .. that's what i got out of it
01:46.18eitanisn't there a command for listing the ide devices?
01:46.32enoufeitan: well see what dmesg has to say about it now .. cat /proc/partitions as well
01:46.51multi_iols -l /proc/ide/
01:46.55enoufeitan: dmesg | grep -i hd
01:47.49enoufeitan: there are many ways .. you might as well also (as root) apt-get install hwinfo lshw dmidecode
01:48.46eitanit lists the zip drive in dmesg
01:49.36enoufeitan: what is that an iomega 100MB zip drive? .. never used them
01:49.43eitan250
01:49.56eitan<PROTECTED>
01:49.56eitan<PROTECTED>
01:50.02kspath250 was the newer one
01:50.02eitanhdd is the zip drive
01:50.11enoufok .. try this .. modprobe usb_storage
01:50.22eitanbut the drive is not usb, are you sure?
01:50.31enoufeitan: yeah .. I know
01:50.47enoufeitan:  won't hurt
01:50.48eitanok
01:50.50eitandone
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01:51.32abrotmanmulti_io: did it eat your data ?
01:51.33multi_ioit was recognized as a normal IDE hard disk, no problems ar all
01:51.38multi_ioabrotman: no :P
01:52.00eitanmulti_io: I wonder why I'm having problems.
01:52.02enoufeitan: as root .. mkdir /mnt/zippo .. then mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zippo
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01:52.51eitanok
01:52.53eitandone
01:53.11enoufnavigate to /mnt/zippo .. see anything?
01:53.24eitanyes.
01:53.29eitanthe file I have on the zip disk is there.
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01:53.54kspathabrotman: good luck in the new year
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01:54.25eitanok... now I have a problem and another question.
01:54.38enoufGnome control Panel will(should) have some way to set it to tell you about autmounting and showing Icons and such .. I don't use gnome
01:54.48eitanI went to the computer window that lists the drives and a symbol is there for the zip disk.
01:54.55eitanWhen i select "eject" it doesn't eject.
01:55.09abrotmankspath: and to you!
01:55.16eitanAlso... how do we make it so that the zip drive gets recognized permanently.
01:55.17eitan?
01:55.47kspathmac zip drives ejected if I remember right and pc ones you have to press the button
01:56.02kspathI have an old parallel one here somewhere buried
01:56.05enoufeitan: that's a DE issue .. or udev or hal issuse .. maybe apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... you can use the -s option to simulate and see what will happen prior
01:56.07eitanno... the eject and button both work in windows
01:56.22eitanwhat is de?
01:56.25abrotmanyou can have PC drives eject also
01:56.30enoufDesktop Env
01:56.36eitanalso... I pressed the button and it won't let me eject.
01:56.48eitanonce it's mounted, it doesn't want to let go.
01:56.48kspathumount it
01:56.49enoufeitan: someone told you that earlier
01:56.53eitanoh!
01:57.00eitanI didn't see it I guess.
01:57.53eitan0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
01:57.57eitannow what
01:57.58eitan?
01:58.18enoufeitan: add an entry similar to this in /etc/fstab --> /dev/hdd4        /mnt/zippo  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
01:58.45enoufeitan: Maybe Gnome requires it mounted within the /media/  Dir instead .. who knows
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02:01.29eitanok
02:01.41eitannow should I unmount it and reboot or ?
02:01.51eitanI did the fstab thing
02:03.00eitanenouf?
02:03.20multi_iorestart the desktop maybe
02:03.27multi_ioreboot won't be necessary
02:03.48eitanlogout you mean? will that unmount the zip and then remount it with fstab?
02:03.52multi_ioyou could try "eject /dev/hdd" and see if that works
02:03.55blondieeitan: reboot for kernel upgrades and hardware changes.
02:04.19multi_ioeitan: no. unmount it too.
02:04.21eitanumount: /mnt/zippo: device is busy
02:04.21eitaneject: unmount of `/dev/hdd4' fail
02:04.54multi_ioyou're still inside the mounted directory
02:04.57abrotmanget out o the directory
02:04.58multi_io(in some shell)
02:05.18kspathor gui
02:06.15eitanok done
02:06.22eitanlogout?
02:06.57multi_iodoes the unmount work now?
02:06.57eitanyes
02:07.00eitanthis is what happened:
02:07.43eitanIt ejected the disk when i unmounted it. there's a symbol for the zip drive in the computer window now... but when I put the zip disk back in the drive...
02:08.02eitanIt says that it could not mount the disk because there is no file system specified
02:08.27abrotman-t auto
02:08.56eitanwhat is that?
02:09.01multi_iodo you have the entry in the fstab
02:09.07eitanI do now.
02:09.19multi_iothe reload the desktop
02:09.22multi_io*then
02:09.32multi_ioi.e. logout, login
02:09.44eitanoh... ok... so I'll be back.
02:09.49cuscowell... happy new year for everyboddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:10.56multi_iocusco: thanks, dito
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02:11.18multi_iois it 00:10 where you are now? :P
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02:11.42eitanok.. I'm back.
02:11.44multi_ioI think you'd have to be in the middle of the Atlantic for that :-D
02:11.48eitanIt says the same thing.
02:12.13eitan"unable to mount the selected volume"
02:12.14multi_iodoes a simple "mount /mnt/foo" work now?
02:12.24multi_ioi.e. without the -t vfat
02:12.44eitanunder details it says "mount could not determine the filsystem type and none was specified"
02:13.03multi_iodoes a simple "mount /mnt/zippo" work now?
02:13.50eitanepc:/mnt# mount /mnt/foo
02:13.50eitanmount: can't find /mnt/foo in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:14.00eitanepc:/mnt# mount /mnt/zippo
02:14.00eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
02:14.03multi_iomount /mnt/zippo
02:14.06multi_iook
02:14.19multi_ioso there something wrong with that fstab entry you made
02:14.25multi_io*there's
02:14.49eitanok...
02:15.06multi_io/dev/hdd4       /mnt/zippo       vfat    user,defaults,noauto
02:15.43enoufeitan: maybe edit /etc/fstab --> /dev/hdd4        /mnt/zippo  vfat    rw,user,umask=000  0       0 .. don't quote me though
02:16.16multi_ioor, as abrotman suggested, "auto" instead of "vfat", which would cause mount to try to determine the filesystem type by looking into the volume
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02:21.53magyarhappy new year
02:21.53blondieexcellent timing ;)
02:21.53Anderslol
02:21.53magyarhow do i add or auto detect win-xp with grub?
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02:21.53Thmshow do i reconfigure the apt mirror ?
02:21.53phatedEdit /etc/apt/sources.list?
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02:21.54Thmsphated: where I have the mirrors ?
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02:22.34phatedIf you mean by reconfiguring a mirror changing what mirror you're using, edit /etc/apt/sources.list.
02:22.34blondiebam!
02:22.42Thmsphated: yes
02:22.44enoufhurrow?
02:22.49phated... what are you, blondie, emeril?
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02:22.53Thmsbut where can i have the mirror list ?
02:23.01blondie?
02:23.03enoufwb everyone .. mwahahaha
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02:23.04phatedThms: Google.
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02:25.35phatedblondie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emeril_Lagasse
02:25.47MoDaX!mirrors
02:26.07phatedblondie: Then search for "bam".
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02:26.22dpkgwell, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>
02:26.24enoufessence of emeril .. POW!
02:26.24blondiemy screen is fill with join lines
02:26.25simonrvnhappy new year people
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02:26.25abrotmansimonrvn: wait for it!
02:26.26eitanok... still the same problem
02:26.26phatedblondie: /ignore #debian joins parts quites ^.^
02:26.26simonrvnsome folks are ahead of us ;)
02:26.26blondiephated: that's annoying unless there's spambots
02:26.26abrotmani doubt i'll even make it that long
02:26.27blondieand it's not just this channel ;)
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02:26.27WindoesBreakerG4anyone know abyhint about running debian on an iMac? it installs ok but when it goes to load the login screen i lose video
02:26.27MoDaXindeed, 04 h 25 mins of 2007 has already passed ...
02:26.27abrotman!ppc
02:26.27dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
02:26.40simonrvnWindoesBreakerG4: dotfiles.com has a nice imac (old imac, not new) x config
02:26.59WindoesBreakerG4ok rockin
02:27.05WindoesBreakerG4its a newish old imac
02:27.09WindoesBreakerG4500mhz
02:27.13simonrvnxf86config-4 file, but it works for xorg too
02:27.22simonrvnyeh, get the rev b one
02:27.41eitanhello?
02:27.55simonrvnhello, may we help you?
02:28.21multi_ioeitan: you must be doing something wrong :P
02:28.28eitan... hopefully...\
02:28.33abrotmanToday we've got a special on #4 value meals.
02:28.41eitanwelll what could I be doing wrong? I'll give you the fstab entry
02:28.44abrotmanBuy three .. get fat.
02:28.55simonrvnbuy 4, die
02:28.58simonrvn;p
02:29.01multi_iothe file is /etc/fstab, the line to add to the file is "/dev/hdd4       /mnt/zippo       vfat    user,defaults,noauto"
02:29.14eitan/dev/hdd4/mnt/zippoautorw,user,umask=00000
02:29.24simonrvnneed a " 0 0" after that, oh like that
02:29.26eitanI've already tried auto instead of umask=000
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02:30.17eitanregarding the vfat entry... what if it's not a fat zip disk?
02:30.39multi_ioyour line should work too
02:30.42multi_ioI think
02:31.16WindoesBreakerG4damn my imac isn't a a b c or d
02:31.22WindoesBreakerG4its a slot load not a tray
02:31.29Thmswhere can i have the default sources.list for etch ?
02:31.41eitanok... so what could be going wrong?
02:31.46eitanWhy is this so difficult?
02:31.52simonrvnmight want to try it anyway, might work
02:32.01simonrvnoh, a disable gdm from running
02:32.41abrotmanThms: there isn't a 'default' .. what's wrong with you rsources ?
02:32.53Thmsabrotman: I fucked them up :(
02:33.10abrotmanhow?
02:33.36multi_ioeitan: paste the contents of your /etc/fstab to http://pastie.textmate.org/
02:33.56abrotmanThms: paste them somewhere
02:34.06WindoesBreakerG4ok i am going to go mess
02:34.06Thmsabrotman: I used my backup it's good
02:34.07WindoesBreakerG4bbl
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02:34.17abrotmanok
02:34.59enoufeitan: find /sbin -name fs ...that'll show you various fs type support , generally .. drop the umask=000, and replace with noauto .. try again -- check with 'lsmod' that you have the required modules loaded (fat,vfat ..for fat) .. and make sure they're listed in /etc/modules if not
02:35.37eitanok
02:35.42Thmshttp://paste.prco23.org/3128 is it a good sources.list for sarge ?
02:35.43eitanI pasted it to pastie
02:36.01enoufneed the exact URL eitan
02:36.46enouf!tell eitan about reference
02:36.52abrotmanlooks fine
02:37.10enouf!tell eitan about refcard
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02:37.41eitanI went to sbin and I don't know what I should be looking for.
02:38.03yungknighthow do i enable use of htaccess files for apache2?
02:38.05enoufeitan: no need to go there .. run that commad
02:38.11eitanI had already had it set to noauto with no luck... someone suggested I change it to umask=000
02:38.21enoufeitan: that'd be me
02:38.42multi_ioeitan's paste appears to be http://pastie.textmate.org/30452
02:38.48eitanI did an lsmod and fat and vfat are listed
02:38.59enoufeitan: I'm suggesting change it back .. as a test
02:39.18enoufeitan: ok .. that works IF it's a vfat formatted ZIP diskette ..
02:39.50eitanI don't have an /etc/modules directory
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02:40.08enoufeitan: the "auto" entry wiould go under FS type heading/column in /etc/fstab
02:40.17enoufeitan: you have the file
02:40.49enoufeitan: I made that mistake too ..
02:41.05enoufa little while back .. blunder .. and doh!
02:41.23eitanmulti_io said to paste the contents of my /etc/fstab to //pastie.textmate.org. I did that.
02:41.29eitanThe url is: http://pastie.textmate.org/30452
02:41.35enoufok
02:41.58enoufeitan: see what dpkg told you?
02:42.18enoufeitan: you don;t like nicks .. eh?
02:42.33eitanthere is no command fs or name or anything like that.
02:43.04eitanok... I'll change it back to noauto
02:43.14multi_iothe line works here
02:43.36multi_io"find /sbin -name fs" won'T find anything
02:43.39enoufeitan: also .. changw the mount point to the /media/ dir like all other crap
02:44.00multi_iomaybe it was meant to be find /sbin -name '*fs*'
02:44.09enoufmulti_io: i guess the asterisks aren't showing up ...
02:44.31enoufmulti_io: that's what I typed .. with asterisks surrounding fs
02:44.38multi_ioah, ok ;)
02:44.44eitanI already have an auto entry in the file system type column in fstab.
02:45.02multi_iothe line from your paste works, eitan
02:45.05multi_io:P
02:45.07abrotmani'm not an honorable ?
02:45.07enoufI thought they did .. from some other told me that they did indeed appear for them .. *shrugs
02:45.14multi_iowell, here at least
02:45.18Knorriemh
02:45.34eitanyes.... I've been fishing around the debian manuals no end and if I had found my answers I wouldn't be bothering any of you.
02:46.17multi_iowhat does "mount /mnt/zippo" do, exactly, eitan ?
02:46.17yungknightwhere do i enable the use of .htaccess files for directories in apache? i'm not sure if this is strictly an apache config thing or what?
02:46.28eitannicks? You mean I shouldn't go by my first name? Is it bad that I go by my first name/
02:46.29eitan?
02:46.29enoufAzar: what happens if you leave after you get to drunk :-P
02:46.34multi_ioi.,e. what does it do on your system?
02:46.35enouferm too*
02:47.47eitanI did "find /sbin -name fs" and nothing happened.
02:48.39multi_ioeitan: it's find /sbin -name '*fs*'
02:49.03enoufmulti_io: dont even need any quotes
02:50.00robin_szwhy does cron-apt keep looking for a file called /etc/cron-apt/config2 that doesnt exist?
02:50.22multi_ioeitan: what happens when you type "mount /mnt/zippo"?
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02:52.07eitanok .. I made a zip0 directory in media ... I am going to try to mount there instead
02:52.34enoufrobin_sz: got neither a cron-apt file, nor Dir here
02:53.15robin_szenouf, correct, but why is that file specified  in the /etc/cron.d/cron-apt file?
02:53.32enoufrobin_sz: hrm.. lessee
02:53.46robin_szenouf, I presume you have the cron-apt package installed?
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02:54.07eitanok I did a find /sbin -name '*fs*' and I put it in pastie at: http://pastie.textmate.org/30453
02:54.09enoufrobin_sz: nope :-)
02:54.20robin_szthat would explain why you dont have it then
02:54.29multi_ioeitan: what happens when you type "mount /mnt/zippo"?
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02:55.18eitanmulti_io: It was supposed to map the zip drive files to a directory called zippo in the mnt directory
02:55.23enoufeitan: you may need to restart udev for all your devices to be properly seen correctly .. it's all Dbus, Hal, and Udev stuff that causes this .. not to mention fam{d} and /sysfs
02:55.52enoufrobin_sz: yep .. only a .placeholder inside file:///etc/cron.d/
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02:55.58eitanmulti_io: I changed it to /media/zip0
02:56.06eitanso what happens... wait.
02:56.14enoufrobin_sz: aren't you special.. hehe
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02:57.11multi_iosince mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/bla works, udev should be out of the game
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02:57.17eitanepc:/# mount /media/zip0 /dev/hdd4
02:57.17eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
02:57.23enoufeitan: listen to multi_io .. I'm slipping away .. sorry for confusing you further .. you need to read quite a bit though .. and dpkg told you what and where
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02:58.08multi_ioeitan: it's mount /media/zip0
02:58.08eitanhow do I restart udev? do I have to reboot or just logout and logon again?
02:58.14multi_iodon't
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02:58.44multi_ioI'm quite sure you don't have to restart udev
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02:58.53eitanok
02:59.09eitanepc:/# mount /media/zip0
02:59.09eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
02:59.46multi_iodid you change /mnt/zippo to /media/zip0 in your /etc/fstab?
02:59.51eitanyes
02:59.58eitanbut I have not relogged on yet.
03:00.01eitanshould I do that now?
03:00.09multi_ioshouldn't be a problem
03:00.11multi_iono
03:00.13eitanmulti_io: thank you for your patience
03:00.21multi_io:P
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03:00.48multi_ioare you running the mount command as root?
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03:01.20eitanyes
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03:02.06multi_iorun this command: strace -ofoo.txt /media/zip0
03:02.21multi_ioand paste the contents of foo.txt to pastie.textmate.org
03:02.48deb_noobmulti_io: i got it working
03:03.04deb_noobkde is up and running!
03:03.44multi_iodeb_noob: are you rokfit? :P
03:03.49deb_noobyeah!
03:03.54multi_ioah.
03:03.55eitanepc:/# strace -ofoo.txt /media/zip0
03:03.55eitanstrace: exec: Permission denied
03:03.58rusherdoes etch have a release date
03:04.05deb_noob:D
03:04.08deb_noobso happy!
03:04.11multi_iocongrats then :)
03:04.14deb_noobty
03:04.31deb_noobabout to reboot, brb
03:04.42multi_ioeitan: run exactly the command I typed! :-P
03:04.56multi_ioooops
03:04.59multi_iosorry eithan
03:05.14multi_iostrace -ofoo.txt mount /media/zip0
03:05.18eitanI did... what you see there is my command prompt
03:05.19multi_iothat's the one
03:05.30multi_ioI'm sorry, I forgot "mount"
03:05.51rusherpeople still use zip?
03:05.52rusherlol
03:05.57eitanepc:/# strace -ofoo.txt mount /media/zip0
03:05.57eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
03:06.02multi_iook
03:06.13multi_ioa file foo.txt shoudl have been created
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03:06.26rushermount -t vfat /dev/device /mnt/mountgolder
03:06.29multi_iopaste its contents to pastie.textmate.org
03:06.45multi_iorusher: we'Re past that already :)
03:06.52rusheroops sorry lol
03:07.30rusherwhat disto are you guys using
03:07.46eitan... just an aside.... some of you were suggesting I go to the debian manual websites ... I did already... I couldn't find the answers to my questions...
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03:08.22eitanIsn't it clear that if any of you can't figure this out, then I'm way beyond looking at some manuals... this must be more difficult than any of you expected, right?
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03:08.49eitanHow can looking at manuals help me when none of you can figure this out? The manuals don't address the problems I'm having with mounting a zip drive.
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03:09.21multi_ioeitan: it looks like some unusual problem
03:09.30multi_iopaste the contents of the foo.txt
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03:09.45multi_iomaybe I can see something in there
03:09.46eitanIf it was easy, I wouldn't be asking.
03:10.00Dan39hey guys, whats up!
03:10.01eitanwhere can I find foo.txt ?
03:10.11Dan39hahahahha!
03:10.15Dan39are you serious?
03:10.18multi_ioin the directory where you ran the strace command
03:10.49deb_noobthe kool desktop is definitely kool!
03:10.49Dan39isnt foo.txt just a sample file name people use in tutorials and stuff/
03:11.06deb_noobdoes anyone know how to swap kdm for gdm?
03:11.25multi_iostrace ran the mount command and traced all calls "mount" made to the kernel, and logged them to foo.txt
03:11.34multi_ioDan39: ^^^
03:11.39eitanok done. It's at: http://pastie.textmate.org/30455
03:11.56Dan39ooo i see =P hehehe. too bad my debian comp got replaced by the christmas tree.
03:12.02rusher.foo.bar
03:13.11eitandeb_noob: I know there is a configuration file with an entry that specifies kdm or gdm... the guys here should know which file.
03:13.17multi_io/dev/hdd4 doesn't exist.
03:13.27eitanok... so now what?
03:14.13abrotman/etc/X11/default-display-manager
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03:14.19abrotmanor something like that
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03:14.41abrotmandeb_noob: or dpkg-reconfigure gdm
03:14.50deb_noobsweet
03:14.53multi_ioeitan: run: mknod /dev/hdd4 b 22 68
03:15.00multi_iothen try the mount again
03:15.16multi_io(but that's a hacky solution)
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03:15.51eitandeb_noob: go to etc/X11 and edit the text file called default-display-manager change kdm to gdm or vice versa
03:15.54deb_noobabrotman: that said scheduling reload of Gnome Display Manager configuration
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03:16.01abrotmanok
03:16.03deb_noobsweet, thank you
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03:16.34deb_noob/usr/bin/kdm
03:16.55eitana hacky solution?
03:16.55deb_noobyis!
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03:16.55multi_iodoes it work?
03:16.57eitanIf hdd4 didn't exist, what did?
03:17.03deb_noobi will try
03:17.08eitanDid we have hdd0 or hdd1?
03:17.12deb_noobbrb
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03:18.15multi_ioyou should also do: chown root.disk /dev/hdd4; chmod 660 /dev/hdd4
03:18.45multi_ioit's hacky because it would probably better to do this in udev
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03:19.14eitanok... it mounted the zip disk in the zip drive, and I can see the file that I have there, but it won't eject either through the software or via the button on the front of the drive... that's not supposed to happn
03:19.36eitanwhy don't we do it in udev then?
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03:20.35eitanwhat does the chown root.disk command do?
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03:20.59multi_ioit changed the ownership of the /dev/hdd4 to user root, group disk
03:21.04multi_io*changes
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03:21.19eitanis that change permanent or only for this session?
03:21.26multi_iothat's Debian's standard for such files (disk device files)
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03:21.32multi_iopermanent
03:21.44eitanit is done
03:21.45eitannow what?
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03:22.04multi_ioumount the thing again, then try mounting as user
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03:22.23abrotman!root
03:22.23dpkgIt has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
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03:25.13eitanok... this time I didn't have to mount the zip disk through a terminal window ... AND .. the eject function in gnome works.... so now... will this change be permanent? is fstab going to keep this as it is or do we need to change fstab now?
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03:26.37multi_ioeitan: it should be permanent, unless udev decides to mess with the files in /dev next time you reboot or so...
03:27.12pabRunning Etch and mythtv .20.  Just did a dist-upgrade but mythweb fails during replacement with unknown argument.  Not a big deal as it still works.  Just wondering why.  Anyone?
03:27.14multi_iowhat would you want to change in /etc/fstab now? You already have the correct line in there
03:27.28abrotmanpab: bts ?
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03:27.50pababrotman:  bts.....you lost me, sorry
03:28.05multi_io/etc/fstab and /dev/hdd4 are files in the filesystem on your hard drive, i.e. they will be kept permanently
03:28.10abrotmanmythweb isn't even in debian
03:28.41pababrotman:  But it's the .deb that fails?
03:29.27abrotmanpab: you'd have to show us the error .. and understand that it's not a package created by Debian
03:30.12eitanok... I'll logout and login again then to test that, right?
03:30.30multi_ioeitan: udev might be a problem because udev may, depending on how it's configured, (re)create/delete /dev/hdd4 during the next reboot or when you inser a ZIP disk or whatever
03:30.31pababrotman: I see.  I misunderstood.
03:30.46eitanShouldn't I test that?
03:30.54multi_ioeitan: that's probably why the mount -t vfat ... that you did earlier worked:
03:31.13eitanshould I reboot to test it?
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03:31.24multi_iothere, mount tried to mount directly without first chjecking whether /dev/hdd4 exits
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03:32.03multi_iothat mount triggered udev, and udev created /dev/hdd4 on-the-fly
03:32.19eitanok... so that means... ?
03:32.45multi_iothese kinds of confusing behind-the-scenes things are the reason why some people despise udev :P
03:32.55multi_io..and deactivate it
03:32.56eitanwhat exactly is udev?
03:33.02abrotman!udev
03:33.02dpkgudev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555
03:33.29eitan... wait... I don't have kernel 2.6.15... I only have 2.6.8
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03:33.44abrotmanyou can still have udev
03:33.54eitanoh please... ok... so should I reboot to test this out?
03:34.25multi_ioyeah, you should, but ideally you should also understand what the system does :)
03:34.38multi_iowhich can be confusing with udev in the game
03:34.45multi_iops ax | grep udev
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03:35.21multi_iothere you should see whether udev (udevd, the udev daemon) is running, I think
03:35.31eitanBelieve me multi_io ... right now I am clueless. I honestly don't understand why the debian installer successfully installed my hard drive, floppy and dvd player but not the zip drive. That part makes no sense to me.
03:36.05multi_ionot understanding how the installer works is no problem
03:36.06eitanepc:/# ps ax | grep udev
03:36.06eitan<PROTECTED>
03:36.29multi_iobecause the installer is out of the game ionce the system's installed
03:36.45multi_ionot understanding the running system can be a problem
03:36.55multi_ioeitan: ok, so you have udev running
03:37.10eitanno no...  I didn't install the zip drive after the installation... the installer saw the zip drive, but somehow it did not mount it and make it available in gnome.
03:37.20Musanyone can help out with Etch RC1 installer issue on AMD64?
03:38.13multi_ioas I said, it may be a waste of time to try to understand the installer thoroughly :)
03:38.36multi_ioyou just run it, and then configure manually what the installer didn't get right
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03:40.28multi_ioeitan: so maybe reboot and try if the mount still works then
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03:41.28rokfityeah i switched that file to kdm and installed kdm and now the system boots, starts X and displays a small xterm that I can't type in, but my mouse works, any ideas?
03:41.34eitanare these problems ironed out as newer versions of debian are released?
03:43.20icicledrokfit, have you specified that kdm should start?
03:43.26rokfityes
03:43.42rokfitat the apt-get install kdm, yes
03:44.06rokfiti pressed "N" twice because i thought i configured it in kcontrol
03:44.10rokfitor control center
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03:44.32iciclederr, that's now what i'm talking about
03:44.51eitanmulti_io: are these problems eventually ironed out with newer versions of debian
03:44.57eitan?
03:45.04multi_ioeitan: I don't know :P
03:45.06icicledi mean to say, did you configure your system, so that when it boots into graphical mode, it starts kdm & not some other program
03:45.13multi_iowhat problems?
03:45.21multi_iothe installer problem you mean?
03:45.33rokfityes i edited the etc file i forget the name to say kdm not gdm
03:46.01eitanmulti_io: ... some other linux person just emailed me... he says that I shouldn't be using debian because of these problems I'm having and that I should switch to ubuntu... What is your opinion about that?
03:46.48multi_iothat may be right, I don't know Ubuntu
03:46.51multi_iobut:
03:46.56eitanyes?
03:47.13multi_ioI'm one of these people who despise udev too, so I deactivated it :)
03:47.30rokfiticicled: what can I do?
03:47.31eitanshould I deactivate it too or are there drawbacks?
03:48.08icicledrokfit, did you set kdm to automatically log you in?
03:48.10multi_iothere are drawbacks when you have many USB devices that you dynamically plug/unplug and so on
03:48.21rokfiticicled: yes
03:48.24eitanoh... ok.. I have a lot of those.
03:48.30multi_iobut I'm not an expert, maybe someone else can say more about udev?
03:48.33eitanok... I'm going to reboot now.
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03:49.21icicledrokfit, you installed the whole kde metapackage? or just kdm?
03:49.28rokfitjust kdm
03:49.50rokfitapt-get install kdm
03:49.54icicleddo you remember what file you had to edit for kdm to start & not gdm?
03:49.59rokfitis what i did
03:50.07rokfitno abrotman told me
03:50.35rokfit<PROTECTED>
03:51.13icicledone sec
03:51.34rokfitthanks for the help
03:52.23enoufrokfit: dpkg-reconfigure {x|g|k}dm and choose the one you want
03:52.43rokfiti can't type or ctrl backspace
03:52.57icicledpress, ctrl+alt+f1
03:53.00multi_iomove the mouse into the terminal window
03:53.10icicledor try the above
03:53.52rokfitlet me give it a try
03:54.15icicledswitch to console mode (ctrl+alt+f1), login, and edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager as root and change the line in there to /usr/bin/gdm
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03:55.56rokfitctrl alt f1 does not work
03:56.23icicledctrl+alt+backspace
03:56.27icicleddoes that do anything?
03:56.30rokfitnope
03:56.34enoufrokfit: which DE are you using if any?
03:57.00rokfitkde
03:57.04rokfitgnome is installed too
03:57.14frenchninjadid you apt-get install kdm, rokfit
03:57.22rokfityes
03:57.23frenchninjaoh, sorry i see you did
03:57.25Dewiabrotman, multi_io, etc: okay, I have it booting with multiple drives. As one might expect for such an infuriating problem, the issue was compound: this motherboard doesn't like to mix different silicon image controller chipsets; I have it rigged up now with 3x 3112s
03:57.39enoufrokfit: you don't tell kdm to autologin.. you do that in k control center under sytem admin area as root
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03:57.48rokfitcan i boot to terminal somehow
03:57.53rokfitenouf: i did just that
03:57.56Dewihowever I should note that my other mainboard seems to be coping with the same controller cards together that the other machine couldn't handle
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03:58.02Dewi(and this one's older!)
03:58.03rokfitdo i need to reinstall
03:58.12multi_iono
03:58.14icicledrokfit, one way is to reboot and choose single user mode
03:58.18icicledthen you will get a console
03:58.18enoufrokfit: dpkg -l kd*
03:58.24rokfitokay
03:58.33icicledthen you will be put in console mode
03:58.40multi_ioare you typing this on another machine, rokfit? :-P
03:58.41icicledthen you can run the commands you need to
03:58.47icicledi have to go run some errands
03:59.19enoufrokfit: er dpkg -l kde
03:59.38rokfit<PROTECTED>
03:59.40rokfitnow what
04:00.00frenchninjadpkg-reconfigure kdm
04:00.08enoufwell .. i already wrote that siungle user mode stuff and erased it .. since rebooting isn't necessary without installing a new kernel
04:00.21frenchninjaapparently that gives you the option to choose between gdm and kdm rokfit
04:00.31rokfiti did that before the problem though
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04:00.39frenchninjagah
04:00.49enouf!install kde
04:00.49dpkgi heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
04:01.11enouf!rcconf
04:01.11dpkg"rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done
04:01.26enoufjill gdm .. the end
04:01.30enoufkill even
04:02.00rokfitwhat was the file to edit default-display-manager
04:02.20multi_io/etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:02.29rokfityeah it says /usr/bin/kdm
04:02.38enoufdon't do it by hand .. use dpkg-reconfigure
04:02.53rokfitdpkg-reconfigure kdm i did
04:03.05rokfitand selected kdm
04:03.23enoufupdate-alternatives --config x-window-manager if you want also
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04:04.02rokfitmetacity or kwin
04:04.03enoufupdate-alternatives --config x-session-manager and select startkde if you want that
04:04.25multi_ionahh.....
04:04.43multi_ioupdate-alternatives --config x-display-manager
04:04.52rokfitso kwin not metacity?
04:04.59multi_iohm, seem that one doesn'T exists
04:05.00enoufkill them all already .. they won't and can NOT start if you just READ
04:05.13multi_iorokfit: those are *window* managers
04:05.23multi_ioxdm,kdm,gdm are display managers
04:05.34multi_iocompletely different thing :)
04:05.35enoufselext kwin for kde crap
04:05.53rokfitit's selected
04:06.03enoufkill tghe other display mangers already .. just READ
04:06.49rokfitso update-alternatives --config x-display-manager
04:07.33rokfitno alternatives for x-display-manager
04:07.38enoufthere is no x-display-manager for update-alternatives
04:07.39multi_ioyeah, that would be it, if that alternative existed
04:07.41multi_io:P
04:07.50multi_iojust forget update-alternatives
04:08.05enouf!tell rokfit about services
04:08.05rokfitokay
04:08.10enouf!tell rokfit about rcconf
04:08.19enouf!tell rokfit about runlevel
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04:08.51rokfitenouf: you're losing me
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04:09.06dpkgparty is, like, Lego, and alcohol
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04:09.31eitanmulti_io: r u there?
04:09.42multi_iorokfit: you'd basically configure kdm to be run on startup, and no other *dm
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04:09.48multi_ioeitan: yeah
04:09.58multi_iorokfit: you can do that easily in rcconf
04:10.02multi_iojust run rcconf
04:10.07rokfitso just type rcconf
04:10.12multi_ioyep
04:10.25rokfitcommand not found
04:10.32multi_ioapt-get install rcconf
04:10.34stonedbad command or file name
04:10.36stoned:D
04:10.41eitanhi... well... the only progress that was made was that a zip disk shows up in the window... but it still can't mount ... this is after the reboot. I can't seem to make it work. (I also changed it to plain hdd instead of hdd4)
04:11.14multi_iowhy did you change it to hdd?
04:11.17rokfitmulti_io: now just deselect gdm?
04:11.27multi_iorokfit: yes
04:11.29multi_ioand xdm
04:11.30rokfitoh thank you
04:11.45multi_ioor did you want gdm?
04:11.58eitanthought the hdd4 was unnecessary... I can change it back if you want... all I did was change the fstab file... but that did not affect the fact that it did not mount after the reboot
04:12.15rokfit*please work*
04:12.34stonedwouldn't be it easy to just do apt-get --purge remove gdm xdm && apt-get install kdm
04:12.42multi_ioeitan: you mean it did not mount automatically?
04:12.46eitanright
04:12.52stonedor whatever you want
04:13.11multi_iostoned: yeah, that's possible
04:13.20rokfitthat did not work multi_io
04:13.29stonedseems to me like there is no point in going through all the hassle for stuff you don't need in the system anyway
04:14.18stonedthe config files will update themselves automatically once other *dm have been removed
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04:14.19rokfitmulti_io: any other ideas?
04:14.19stonedif not, you can always update-alternatives after removing the DM's you dont' need
04:14.19rokfithow
04:14.24multi_iorokfit: doesn't it work?
04:14.29rokfitno it does not
04:14.32stonedrokfit, what debian distro are you on?
04:14.39rokfitetch
04:14.52stonedrokfit, which desktop manager do you want?
04:14.58rokfitkdm
04:14.58multi_ioeitan: is /dev/hdd4 still there?
04:15.16stonedrokfit, apt-get --purge remove gdm xdm && apt-get install kdm
04:15.27stonedrokfit, or dpkg-reconfigure kdm
04:15.33stonedafter removal
04:15.40stonedor even update-alternatives
04:15.45eitanyes
04:16.00multi_iodoes the manual mount work?
04:16.09multi_iomount /media/zip0
04:16.18eitanhold ...
04:16.31rokfitokay now reboot
04:16.31stoned2 hours till midnight
04:16.34stonedno
04:16.41rokfitstartx
04:16.46stonedno need to reboot it will be there next time
04:16.52stonedjust startx for now
04:16.57stonedif youw anna make sure it works reboot
04:17.07eitanepc:/home/eitan# mount /media/zip0
04:17.07eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
04:17.08stonedshutdown -r now
04:17.10multi_ioyou can /etc/init.d/kdm start
04:17.18rokfitlol it started gnome
04:17.20multi_iothat should bring it up
04:17.23multi_iook
04:17.27multi_iohm...
04:17.30stonedyeh you still have gnome as your xsession manager
04:17.41stonedDM and session manager are two different things
04:17.50multi_ioyou mean startx started Gnome?
04:17.55stonedDM can be kdm, while kdm loads gnome or xfce etc.
04:17.55frenchninjaah
04:18.12stonedjust use /etc/init.d/service star|stop etc.
04:18.18stonedread the links that where provided to you
04:18.21stoned!services
04:18.22dpkgi guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
04:19.02rokfitread that and do what?
04:19.07stonedlearn...
04:19.26rokfitdude this is all port numbers
04:19.31rokfiti can't read all this!
04:19.32frenchninjathat s a very manual solution
04:19.38rokfitplease stoned
04:19.39stonedits not a quickfix for yoru problem, its just info
04:19.48rokfitplease ddue
04:19.49rokfitdude
04:19.50rokfithelp
04:19.51stonedrokfit, already told you how to fix it
04:19.53frenchninjais there not a way to change his xsession permanently
04:20.01stoned3 people told you
04:20.14stonedfrenchninja, yes, update-alternatives config the xsession manager
04:20.18stonedetc.
04:20.20frenchninjaahh ok
04:20.29multi_iorokfit: you don't have to read the port numbers
04:20.31multi_io:P
04:20.56multi_iowith no X running, try /etc/init.d/kdm start
04:20.56stonedwhy do you have kde and gnome installed ?
04:21.07multi_iosee if that brings up KDM
04:21.11rokfiti don't know, i only want kde
04:21.21stonedrokfit, /msg dpkg remove-gnome
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04:21.24stoned!remove gnome
04:21.25dpkgapt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
04:21.25frenchninjawhat about remove gnome
04:21.26frenchninjaah
04:21.33multi_iomaybe it's too drstic to remove Gnome
04:21.55stonednah, just remove everything you don't need.  Then just add applications as you need them
04:21.57multi_iounless you'Re running out of HDD space
04:22.01stonedno point in having the full bloated packages installed
04:22.24frenchninjahe has gnome because he installed etch on a net inst with desktop-environment flagged
04:22.31stonedouch
04:22.31multi_ioyeah, at some point you need a gnome app, and then apt-get will tell you you'll have to download like 300 megs of stuff :)
04:22.40eitanmulti_io... let me know when you're ready
04:23.06stonedmulti_io, nah, all you need is the libs, and the executables
04:23.07multi_ioeitan: I am
04:23.19rokfitmulti_io: did you catch that?
04:23.30stonedinstall all the gnome runtime libs and then all you would need is that particlar gnoe prog
04:23.43stonedif it doesn't use core gnome2 libs than it will tell you what else it depends on
04:23.54stonedits not really 300mb worth of gnoem libs dude
04:23.55linux_user400354ello
04:23.56stoned:)
04:24.00linux_user400354me likey taco
04:24.04linux_user400354taco bell
04:24.19rokfitstill lost
04:24.22eitanok... so now what? the progress we made last time was mostly erased due to the reboot... what needs to be fixed?
04:24.23stonedlinux_user400354, I like tacos too. The pink kind :)
04:24.29multi_iostoned: what's Gnome more than libs and executables?
04:24.34rokfitkdm start got me to the same loginless screen
04:24.40linux_user400354i thiink u people eat my shit
04:24.42stonedmulti_io, ?
04:24.48frenchninja?
04:25.01stonedlinux_user400354, you think wrong
04:25.06linux_user400354me likey taco bell bitch
04:25.18stonedlinux_user400354, you should probably stop thinking before you hurt yourself
04:25.22linux_user400354wat and u think right.....fuck no
04:25.23frenchninjalol
04:25.29frenchninjalmao
04:25.31stoned:D
04:25.44multi_ioeitan: 05:16 < multi_io> mount /media/zip0
04:26.06multi_ioeitan: oh, I didn't see you response
04:26.06linux_user400354tell ur moms im starting a club.......stoned ur mom isnt invited after last time!!
04:26.08multi_iosorry
04:26.10naitram_cant see my drives on my windows pc, using nautilus but it tells me i dont have permissions to view windows network:mywinpc
04:26.12linux_user400354!
04:26.15rokfitstoned should /etc/X11/default-display-manager read kdmrc or kdm
04:26.23stonedkdmrc
04:26.28rokfitfuck
04:26.31multi_ioeitan: is /dev/hdd there?
04:26.31stoneder..
04:26.34stonedwait depends on which line
04:26.45stonedit calls up the kdm executable which checks for kdmrc
04:26.48eitanyes
04:27.14stonedrokfit, #debian-kde might be of kde specific help, or #kde even
04:27.17linux_user400354shit faced cock sucking uncle fucker
04:27.33eitanepc:~# mount /media/zip0
04:27.33eitanmount: you must specify the filesystem type
04:27.58stonedlinux_user400354, I believe its shit faced cock master
04:28.03linux_user400354i think we r on a shortage of ice ..........cuz i been burning u to hell
04:28.03eitanepc:~# ls /dev/hdd
04:28.04eitan/dev/hdd
04:28.28stonedlinux_user400354, if that helps you sleep at night, have at it
04:28.29linux_user400354i believe u r a "shit faced cock master""!!
04:29.01stoned!troll linux_user400354
04:29.12linux_user400354i here people wanting something .......me!
04:29.25multi_ioeitan: change it back to /dev/hdd4 in /etc/fstab
04:29.25naitram_anyone help with this: cant see my drives on my windows pc, using nautilus but it tells me i dont have permissions to view windows network:mywinpc
04:29.33rokfitwow everyone said to change it to kdm
04:29.36eitanok ok...
04:29.37multi_ioeitan: and make sure /dev/hdd4 is there
04:29.38rokfitbut its kdmrc
04:29.46eitanit is
04:29.53stonedlinux_user400354, go back to school kid.  Learn grammar and how to spell first.
04:29.54eitanepc:~# ls /dev/hdd4
04:29.54eitan/dev/hdd4
04:30.08multi_ioeitan: and in /etc/fstab?
04:30.14stonednaitram_, going through samba?
04:30.18linux_user400354cya, got to plug in the wireless
04:30.26multi_ioeitan: I have problems understanding how /dev/hdd coud work
04:30.28eitanwhy is it better to use hdd4 and not hdd?
04:30.30stonednaitram_, you got samba setup properly?
04:30.35rokfitokay now it says not starting K Display Manager KDM it is not the default display manager
04:30.35multi_ioeitan: it looks like the drive is partitioned
04:30.57multi_ioin which case mounting /dev/hdd (i.e. the drive as a whole) wouldn't work
04:31.01naitram_stoned: unsure i can see windows network, the group etc... just wont show me the content
04:31.30rokfitmulti_io: where do i set kdm as default now?
04:31.31stonednaitram_, that doesnt' answer my question
04:31.50eitanok fstab has hdd4
04:31.55naitram_stoned: no, i guess i didn't , installing it now
04:32.01eitan/dev/hdd4/media/zip0autorw,user,noauto00
04:32.05rokfiteitan: where do i change kdm as default
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04:32.18multi_ioecho /usr/bin/kdm >/etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:32.22multi_iorokfit: ^^^
04:32.42rokfitedit usr/bin/kdm?
04:32.51stonednaitram_, it should be fine at default config.  however modify /etc/sabma/smb.conf and change the workgroup name to match the one on the windows PC.  Also, scroll towards the bottom and make sure if you need to share anything on linux, it is defined in the config below
04:33.10multi_iorokfit: no, write "/usr/bin/kdm" into /etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:33.23multi_iothat's what "echo /usr/bin/kdm >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" does
04:33.28rokfiti thought it was kdmrc
04:33.28naitram_stoned: thanks, running the config now.
04:33.32multi_ioyou can also do it in an editor
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04:33.50multi_iorokfit: wait...
04:33.59rokfityes...
04:34.37multi_iorokfit: what did you write into /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
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04:34.48stonedwhy are you modifying the files?
04:34.49stoneddude
04:35.01rokfit,,, /usr/bin/kdmrc
04:35.07stonedjust ah fuck it, kde is trivial
04:35.17rokfitit was kdm
04:35.17multi_ioeitan: do the strace thing again
04:35.19stonedyou're doing stuff you dont need to
04:35.36multi_ioeitan: strace -ofoo.txt mount /media/zip0
04:35.45multi_iothen paste the contents of foo.txt
04:36.02stonedhint
04:36.05Rusty1rokfit: you want kdm, not xdm or gdm, right?
04:36.06stoned!paster
04:36.06dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
04:36.07multi_io(delete foo.txt before)
04:36.09eitanrokfit: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:36.14rokfitRusty1: yes
04:36.40Rusty1k, apt-get --purge remove xdm
04:36.48stonedRusty1, already been over this a few times
04:36.50stoned:)
04:36.57Rusty1k, apt-get --purge remove gdm
04:37.18Rusty1with --purge?
04:37.18rokfitdone
04:37.20multi_iorokfit: it looks wrong to write kdmrc into /etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:37.31stonedrokfit, apt-get --purge remove gdm kdm xdm && apt-get install kdm
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04:37.37stonedthat should fix all your dm troubles
04:38.00eitanwhat was that paste website again?
04:38.00Rusty1*should*
04:38.11stoned!paster eitan
04:38.11dpkgeitan: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
04:38.13multi_iohttp://pastie.textmate.org
04:38.21multi_io...or that
04:38.40rokfite:  invalid operation kdm
04:39.03icicledwhat's the difference between apt-get remove <foo> and apt-get --purge remove <foo> ?
04:39.03eitanhttp://pastie.textmate.org/30462
04:39.15multi_io--purge removes config files too
04:39.20stonedicicled, man apt-get
04:39.23icicledah ok
04:39.28stonedall options are explained in detail
04:39.39stoned!apt-howto
04:39.39dpkgfrom memory, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en
04:39.49icicledstoned, it doesn't, that's why i asked
04:39.49stonedbasic usage
04:39.51multi_iorokfit: it's apt-get install kdm
04:40.01Rusty1rokfit: you typed it wrong , type this: apt-get --reinstall install kdm
04:40.01stonedicicled, --purge option is listed
04:40.06icicledstoned, it doesn't specify that config files will be removed
04:41.20multi_ioeitan: looks like it worked perfectly
04:41.25stonedI believe in that case it should be obvious
04:41.34rokfit..   /etc/X11/default-display-manager: permission denied
04:41.37stonedremove removes a package, while purge obvious gets rid of the whole thing
04:41.39eitanhuh? It did.
04:41.46eitanThough... this doesn't work after a reboot!
04:41.50stonedhehe
04:41.55eitanSo how do we solve that?
04:42.04icicledstoned, eh, not obvious at all
04:42.43rokfitokay now what?
04:42.52Rusty1rokfit: you are doing so as root?
04:42.57rokfityes
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04:43.09eitanhow do I make sure this mount works after a reboot?
04:43.26stoned!fstab
04:43.26dpkgi heard fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
04:43.36eitanoh... sorry... I spoke too soon.
04:43.40stonedeitan, fstab entry needs to be added
04:43.43eitanYou said it worked perfectly... not quite.
04:43.43multi_ioeitan: umount /media/zip0 again
04:43.49nnlinuxgood evening
04:43.55multi_iostoned: we're past that :)
04:43.56eitanSame problem with eject not working.
04:44.05stonedam i lagging
04:44.11stonedapt-get install eject
04:44.13stonedeject
04:44.15stoned;)
04:44.27stoned!ping
04:44.27dpkgpong
04:44.36stonedguess not.  It seems like lag
04:44.37multi_ioeitan: after the umount, run "mouna -a"
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04:44.47stonedmouna
04:44.52stonedGnea, !
04:45.09rokfitnobody knows
04:45.10stonedGnea, happy new year man.  you gettin plastered?
04:45.11rokfitgreat
04:45.17stonedyet..
04:45.22multi_ioeitan: that's what's run during boot too, it should mount all filesystem that haven'T been marked as "noauto" in /etc/fstab (see "man mount")
04:45.30Rusty1rokfit: ctl-alt-backspace
04:45.47multi_ioeitan: after running mount -a, check whether /media/zip0 got mounted again
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04:46.01rokfitand do what
04:46.02multi_ioeitan: I meant "mount -a"
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04:46.38Rusty1see if it restarts yer x-sesssion with kdm
04:46.56rokfitit does not
04:47.03rokfitit takes me to terminal
04:47.14Rusty1type : kdm
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04:49.06eitanok... but we did this last time... it worked until I rebooted and then we were back to it not being able to mount and needing the specification of a file system.
04:49.14eitanShould I reboot again and try again?
04:49.18deb_noobit worked
04:49.23deb_noobthis is rokfit
04:49.25deb_noobyay!
04:49.26multi_ioeitan: did you try the mount -a thing?
04:49.30eitanyes
04:49.33multi_iowe didn't do that last time
04:49.51eitanit works fine now... but I don't think this functionality is going to be preserved after a reboot.
04:50.06rokfitso what do i do
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04:51.05multi_ioeitan: next thing would be to check the boot messages to see whether it tells something about what went wrong:
04:51.09multi_iodmesg
04:51.13eitanhow do I do that?
04:51.14multi_ioor:
04:51.17eitanor?
04:51.25multi_iodmesg | grep mount
04:51.27icicledhow do i get gnome to launch apps on certain global shortcuts ?
04:51.35eitanshould I do that now?
04:51.35deb_noobokay how do i make this start every time?
04:51.47multi_ioI'm trying to explain the commands before telling them :)
04:51.55Rusty1deb_noob: well, try it out
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04:52.03deb_noobtry rebooting?
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04:52.14Rusty1deb_noob: yes
04:52.20eitanepc:/# dmesg | grep mount
04:52.20eitanEXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
04:52.26deb_noobbrb
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04:52.37multi_ioeitan: hm ok, wait...
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04:54.19multi_ioeitan: look though the output of dmesg
04:54.31multi_ioeitan: or paste it
04:54.39multi_iodmesg >file.txt
04:54.49multi_iothen paste contents of file.txt
04:55.10multi_iodmesg | grep zip0
04:55.14multi_iomight be insightful too
04:55.31multi_io*look through
04:55.40deb_noobman that sucked
04:55.42deb_noobbad
04:56.17Rusty1deb_noob: what ?
04:56.23deb_noobconfiguring that kdm
04:56.34deb_noobbrb
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04:56.53eitanhttp://pastie.textmate.org/30464
04:57.37stonedebianday
04:57.45Gneastoned: happy new year!
04:57.52stonedtook you long enough
04:57.53kspathhappy new beer!
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04:57.58stonedkspath, hey man
04:57.59Gneastoned: nah, just kickin' back
04:57.59stonedwhats up
04:58.04Gneai get to work in the morning :P
04:58.07stonedGnea, just tokin a bowl
04:58.10stonedwhat? work? that sucks
04:58.13Gneahehe
04:58.20deb_noobit's smooth
04:58.22stonedI think I have to go to work too, I'm not sure though
04:58.22multi_ioeitan: hdd: No disk in drive
04:58.30kspathstoned  work beats being homeless
04:58.30multi_io(line 291)
04:58.33Gneai prefer bongs over bowls :)
04:59.10multi_ioeitan: you had a disk in there during boot, right?
04:59.15stonedGnea, I am building a 320$ core 2 duo 3ghz machine with 2gb ddr-800 mem and 7600gt etc.
04:59.34kadkHappy New Year.
04:59.35stonedwanna know how it it is so cheap
04:59.40nnlinuxhappy new years
05:00.00multi_iooh, new year on the east cost?
05:00.04kadkHappy New Year's.
05:00.39stonedI scrounged around for existing parts, and ordered what I needed and sold what I didn't need
05:00.40deb_noobHAPPY NEW YEARS
05:00.40stonedits cool
05:00.40stonedimmagine 500 people all saying happy new year
05:00.40stoned:)
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05:02.43pabHappy!  Early for me tho ;)
05:02.48eitanyes
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05:04.56nnlinuxalthough i am still wondering how to pull onily a set of files out of the archive
05:05.10Gneayeah, i guess it's happy
05:05.18nnlinux,, using a tar
05:05.34Rusty1nnlinux: try ark?
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05:06.14nnlinuxyou mean i can ark /dev/st0
05:08.16tonsofpcshappy new year!
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05:10.11eitanmulti_io: yes
05:10.57Rusty1deb_noob: all set?
05:12.56multi_ioeitan: ok
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05:16.59abrotmanDewi: that's goofy :)
05:17.49abrotmani didn't tell him that .. wtf
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05:18.13ederaamhappy new yaer now from Colombia :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:18.16ederaamyear*
05:19.50multi_ioeitan: sounds like a kernel problem then, hm...
05:21.01eitanok... now... what if I just have the system mount the volume at each boot?
05:21.19eitanHow do I write a text file that debian will execute at each boot?
05:21.47Azareitan learn bash scripting
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05:22.24eitanyes... I'll do that next year...
05:22.50eitanmulti_io: if you can just tell me how to quickly write a text file that will be executed at each boot time, that would be great.
05:25.04multi_ioeitan: several possibilities... easiest (hackish) might be to create a file /sbin/setup.sh
05:25.37multi_io..with "#!/bin/sh" in the first line (that makes it a shell script)...
05:25.50multi_io...and your command(s) in the following line(s)
05:25.51Azareitan, it IS next year now: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/125899?rdf
05:26.15frenchninjaanyone know what the deal is with all the redhat shit in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dhcdbd.conf? anyone else have this
05:26.30frenchninja<allow send_interface="com.redhat.dhcp"/>
05:26.31frenchninja<PROTECTED>
05:26.31Azarwhat is redhat?
05:26.36frenchninjaexactly
05:26.41multi_ioeitan: the command would be your mount /media/zip0  or whatever
05:27.21eitanright... how do I make a text file that will be executed at each boot?
05:27.38Azareitan: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/125899?rdf
05:27.44multi_ioeitan: I just told you :)
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05:27.52Azareitan you have to use bash scripting
05:28.00chuckfromchanhey, i've got a question
05:28.12eitanazar: not where I'm from it's not.
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05:28.29multi_ioyeah he has to, if he just wants to exec a single command the bash script would be the file I described
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05:28.45chuckfromchani just used apt-get install gnome and it installed, but when i try to use startx, it gives me a command not found error. what else should i install to make gnome work?
05:28.47Azareitan: without bash scripting you can't make a text file to do what you want
05:29.04eitanwhat's the non-hackish way?
05:29.24multi_ioglad you asked
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05:29.31Azarchuckfromchan: did X used to work before you installed gnome?
05:29.52multi_iothat would be to create a separate start/stop script and put your stuff in there
05:30.13chuckfromchanAzar: I didn't try it out
05:30.32chuckfromchanwould using apt-get install xorg-server work? someone in #gnome suggested that
05:30.34multi_ioyou'D create that in /etc/init.d, then create links to it in /etc/rc*.d/
05:30.39Azarchuckfromchan: that means you never installed xwindows and without that no desktop have a desk
05:30.45jindalchuckfromchan:
05:30.46multi_ioeitan: basically, it works like this:
05:30.55jindalits apt-get install xserver-xorg
05:31.24chuckfromchanok i'll try that out
05:31.38multi_iowhen the computer boots, it runs the process /sbin/init (man init), which becomes the "parent" of all processes ever run in that session
05:31.47chuckfromchanafter i do that command, will startx just work?
05:31.48multi_ioinit has a config file, /etc/inittab
05:32.03jindalchuckfromchan: hopefully :)
05:32.11Azarchuckfromchan: you will need to do a small configuration to x before that
05:32.23Azarit configures your screen, mouse, keyboard.. stuff like that
05:32.49multi_ioin /etc/inittab you configure programs (scripts) to be run be init at boot time
05:32.49chuckfromchando i have to edit a config file, or will it be a graphical wizard or w/e?
05:32.59Azarchuckfromchan: graphical guide
05:33.04chuckfromchanok thanks
05:33.06Azardrxx!
05:33.10Azar!drxx
05:33.10dpkgdrxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
05:33.13multi_ioman init, man inittab
05:34.03eitando you know how to format a zip disk in debian?
05:34.20eitangot that... thanks for the explanation
05:34.25multi_io/sbin/setup.sh works because init runs /etc/init.d/rcS (see inittab), which is just a shell script too, and it runs /sbin/setup.sh, which is where you can pout your own stuff
05:34.30multi_io:P
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05:34.56tombowX11/extensions/XTest.h: No such file or directory << what should I apt-get?
05:35.31multi_ioeitan: mkfs.vfat /dev/hdxy
05:35.45eitanis that possible in the gui?
05:35.51multi_ioor mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.<whatever> if you want another filesystem
05:36.01multi_ioeitan: I don't know
05:36.19multi_iodepends on the GUI I guess
05:36.35eitanok... I'm going to take a break. Thank you multi_io ... I'll be back sooner or later. Thank you again.
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05:37.30Azartombow: what are you talking about?
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05:38.19multi_iotombow: x11proto-xext-dev:
05:38.24multi_iotombow: x11proto-xext-dev
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05:39.03multi_iotombow: for quickly answering questions like "what package contains <file>", install apt-file (apt-get install apt-file)
05:39.27multi_ioyour question can then be answered using apt-file search X11/extensions/XTest.h
05:39.47Rali22A small question for you guys, is ubuntu 'respectable' from the debian user standpoint?
05:39.49tombowmulti_io, aah, thanks, will do from next time on
05:40.21AzarRali22: there are two ways I see that
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05:40.35Rali22Azar: elaborate :)
05:41.02Azaryes I consider Ubuntu a good OS, for people wanting to change to Linux and need a smooth transition
05:41.22Rali22So...'a noobs linux'? :P
05:41.29Azarnoooo noo
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05:42.02Azarhow to tell you this, I see many people coming to Debian wanting to learn but for many it looks scary
05:42.06Rali22I compiled kernels, done many things in linux, and I was thinking of moving, but I couldnt make up my mind, I dont want to be on a fisher prise OS
05:42.12Rali22price*
05:42.36Azarmany people love the gui environment and stuff, some are hard to understand the command line and such
05:43.01Rali22I'd use debian again, btu I can never get gnome looking good
05:43.03AzarRali22: ahhhh well if you love the change and challenge then try Debian then..
05:43.46AzarRali22: start with Sarge, test it for a month then Etch ( the new coming version ) . I guess you will like it
05:44.05Rali22Oh, i'm good with debian, I can just never get gnome looking nice
05:44.06chuckfromchanhow can i install the desktop environment used in xubuntu?
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05:44.13Rali22it alwhays looks old fashoned
05:44.30AzarRali22: I never use a desktop, my reason for loving Debian.. :)
05:44.40Rali22You're in command line right now?
05:45.25Azarwell, I am using X with a decent bg image and openbox manager. I use irssi with an xterm
05:45.30Rali22I download a lot of movies, I dont think I want to view them in ascii
05:45.31Rali22lol
05:45.32chuckfromchanI like debian because it doesn't come with, you know, kde, gnome, a crapload of applications i'll never use, etc
05:45.58AzarRali22:  not a problem if I want movies I can install a player and use it in X
05:46.00uterusHi, I just upgraded a server from 2.4.27 to 2.6.18, and during this, the ssl part of apache2 stopped working.  The non-ssl section works fine however.  Wondering if there was a way to correct the ssl part to work again.
05:46.32AzarRali22: I can use firefox, xmms player, games, openoffice and more no need to have a desktop with icons
05:47.19Azaruterus: that looks like a C-section. Are you running stable? Sarge?
05:47.26uterusetch
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05:47.45Azarhmmmm etch with a 2.4.x kernel that really never heard of.
05:47.58uterusthat's why i upgraded
05:48.02uterusto the 2.6.x
05:48.14AzarEtch COMES with a 2.6.x kernel there is no 2.4
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05:48.24deb_noobhow do i set the root password?
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05:48.38streuner_haha
05:48.41uteruswell i have been using the 2.4.x kernel and the testing/unstable branch
05:48.53Azarhappy new years streuner
05:49.17streuner_Azar: yeah, happy new year :-)
05:49.52pabI'm an old windows begger.  I can't feel comfy if the gui isn't there, but I'm always at the cli.  Go figure.
05:49.53uglyas a pregnant woman, I am deeply offended by your nick, uterus
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05:50.15uterusas a male, i am deeply offended by your face, ugly
05:50.23Azaruterus: well, going up so high and fast with the kernel, you might want to try upgrade or reinstall stuff that stopped working
05:50.27uglyit has stressed me so deeply that I think I will miscarry
05:50.37multi_iodeb_noob: as root, run "passwd"
05:50.40chuckfromchanlol
05:50.59uterusAzar: the non-ssl still works fine, it's the https that isn't working anymore
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05:52.04Azaruterus: what can I say, not handy myself with apache , try an "aptitude update" / "aptitude upgrade" maybe broken packages get fixed
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05:53.23Azarthe man pages for the package that stopped working might enlighten you what happens with it when a major kernel upgrade happens
05:53.47uterusthat's the problem, i'm not sure which pakcage stopped working ;)
05:54.10Azarthen check the apache documentation..
05:55.01deb_noobcould somebody help me mount my ext3 drive?
05:56.15deb_noobthe line that isn't working in fstab is this...   /dev/sdb1      /media/Smith    Â ext3    rw,user,defaults   0      0
05:56.31deb_noobprevious to issuing a mount
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06:00.07Azardeb_noob: you are trying to mount a cd drive?
06:00.21chuckfromchanHAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
06:00.24chuckfromchanHAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
06:00.28chuckfromchanHAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
06:00.42rye78Little Nicky's on TBS!!!!!!!!!!!
06:00.47rye78lol
06:01.07deb_noobAzar: it's an ext3 drive
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06:05.00grendal_primeis it me, or is there no spelling lib for open office 2 in the etch distro?
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06:06.45grendal_primeat least not for english
06:06.46streuner_!tell grendal_prime about search
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06:07.47grendal_primeoh come on you think i have not searched for it?
06:08.06streuner_well, it seems you forgot the factoid ;-)
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06:08.53streuner_look at the changelog
06:09.48Azarwow my first testwith chrootkit, it is amazing
06:10.16uglywhat happened to the 'apache2-ssl-certificate' command in etch?
06:10.18grendal_primeoook well what pacakged have you guys found that contains an engish dict for openoffice 2 cause my open office 2 dont spell nutin right!
06:10.36grendal_primeand i can find a dict for everything but english
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06:10.55grendal_primenot merican english dat is
06:11.25grendal_primesurry, should have spelt that englush
06:11.35n0cturnal_I'm trying to do a kernel upgrade via apt, and it seems to be dieing on the command "modprobe --set-version 2.4.27-3-686-smp --show-depends ext3".. when I try to run this, it sits there and does nothing. any ideas?
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06:12.49grendal_prime2.4. wow..
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06:13.09Azargrendal_prime: wow
06:13.11n0cturnal_2.6 seems to chuck a wobbly on this box.. quite an old load now
06:13.14grendal_primei mean like..wow, not world of warcraf typ wow
06:13.35grendal_primea wobbly?
06:13.45grendal_primedude you have to be english?
06:13.58grendal_primeor ausie
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06:14.02n0cturnal_aussie :P
06:14.09grendal_primehehehe
06:14.26n0cturnal_so.. any ideas as to my dilemma?
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06:14.30AzarI can herd sheeps in spanish
06:15.03Azarfrench too: alons alons mon petites
06:15.15grendal_primei can order beer and whores in brazilan port.
06:15.47Azaraw I can't spell right in brasilian
06:16.57grendal_primebrazillian port is all about the pronunciation
06:17.19grendal_primejachenyo.............
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06:17.56grendal_primenobody can spell brazilian port right...its like 8 languages
06:18.10rye78Hi, does anyone know of a good, stable GUI package updater, that'll like popup in my toolbar when I have stuff to upgrade?
06:18.23rye78Something like ubuntus I guess
06:18.38grendal_primebut if you can order hookers and beer and have 200 bucks when you land, your set for 2 weeks bro
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06:19.03Azarwhat's wrong if you open up an xterm and type at command line : aptitude update / aptitude upgrade  like every once in a week rye78 ?
06:19.07grendal_primerye78: you could just set apt to do it automatically
06:19.25grendal_primehe might have a shitload of machines
06:19.44rye78I just like keeping my desktop simple :)
06:19.50Azaryeah a daemon running it would be nice
06:19.58grendal_primeor a bunch of windows users that genuine advantage has left in the cold, needs to work them into a debian etch machine.
06:20.02Azarhehehe simpler than mine nobody has
06:20.03harkrye78: there's update-notifier
06:20.23grendal_primeaint that a redhat thang?
06:20.24rye78What's that like hark?
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06:20.50grendal_primesoooo anybody using openoffice 2 and have spellchecking working?
06:21.09Azarhmm I use openoffice but never bother with spellers..
06:21.22rye78Doesnt Abiword have a spellchecker?
06:21.47mrynitwhen installing debian etch i was able to insall untill the point where it said "storing languages" it froze at 5%. i rebooted and could not load gnome. how can i fix the install from resuce on the install CD
06:22.08n0cturnal_I'm trying to do a kernel upgrade via apt, and it seems to be dieing on the command "modprobe --set-version 2.4.27-3-686-smp --show-depends ext3".. when I try to run this, it sits there and does nothing. any ideas?
06:22.22harkrye78: for Gnome i guess; puts an icon in the notification-area whenever there is an update possible.
06:22.38rye78hark: alright, ty
06:22.54grendal_primeabiword...oh come on this is for my 70 year old father, he knows open office..
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06:23.20rye78haha
06:23.38harkhehe, google sure found a way to convert an 'o' to a 2
06:24.06grendal_primegnome?
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06:25.20mrynitgrendal_prime what about gnome?
06:25.44rye78Been a while since I last installed debian...(netcd) apt-get update, apt-get install x-window-system gnome?
06:25.48rye78that would give me basics right?
06:26.00Azarhey grendal_prime mine only supports english USA and english Zimbabwe
06:26.23Azargrendal_prime: but it told me there are more modules you could look for and install
06:26.23Ggerye78 , in Etch , there is an automatic software update tools taht checks for you if new packages are available for install
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06:26.37harkrye78: for the basics, apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-core
06:26.39buckygrendal_prime, do you have myspell-en-us installed?
06:27.01rye78hark: is there ALOT more in gnome than gnome-core, like audio drivers I might need?
06:27.05Azarbucky grendal_prime wants british
06:27.35grendal_primeno i want american
06:27.54Azaryay, you got the british one? let's swap
06:28.23rye78And what's a good firewall for gnome? I might be bringing this lappy to wireless access points, and I dont want to get wtfpwnt
06:28.25grendal_primesure
06:28.36grendal_primei do have the british one...it does nothing
06:28.52Azartho it is lousy speller, it only corrects things like "hsi" and "teh".... I type a bunch of wrong words and it does not detect them
06:29.02grendal_primewich is odd those brits being so uppety about it being their language and all
06:29.50streuner_grendal_prime: did you read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz yet?
06:30.57streuner_"Dictionaries are packaged as myspell-<lang> (or, for newer ones improved for hunspell hunspell-<lang>)."
06:31.27mrynithow do i repair an unfinished install using rescue from cD
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06:31.49streuner_just reinstall
06:31.58buckygrendal_prime, do you live in Sonora by any chance?
06:32.22mrynitstreuner_: the install was prety much complete
06:32.31mrynitit failed at storing langues 5%
06:32.39grendal_primethats fkn odd...no i dont..why do you ask?
06:33.04Azaryeahhh, I think I saw you too around downtown LA once grendal_prime
06:33.05buckygrendal_prime, my buddy's dad was the mayor of Sonora for a long time
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06:33.23grendal_primebucky: do yo always start all conversations like that?
06:33.30buckyyes
06:33.35streuner_grendal_prime: did that answer your question?
06:33.46grendal_primeheheeh i like you
06:33.53buckylol
06:34.04buckykenny stern
06:34.25grendal_primeand that means what on your planet?
06:34.50streuner_hey you stupid fuck
06:34.54buckyi'm from Planet Kolob, do you know where that is?
06:35.11grendal_primewow
06:35.14i386anyone here aware of some Jabber-Muc packages build for jabberd2?
06:35.16rye78>_>
06:35.22grendal_primestreuner_: you ok?
06:35.25rye78are...we about to see a fight?
06:35.27streuner_grendal_prime: did that answer your question?
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06:35.39magyarhow do i add or auto detect win-xp with grub?
06:35.44grendal_primewho is this stupid fuck..you want me to STOMP HIM/HER?
06:36.03grendal_primesorry man
06:36.10grendal_primemid mplayer install
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06:36.15buckyHappy New Year!
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06:36.19grendal_primeim gonna check it in just a sec..than,s
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06:37.26grendal_primeinstalled
06:37.50magyarhow can i add a winblows boot selection to grub screen?
06:38.36grendal_primenano /etc/grub/list, or some shit.
06:38.46grendal_primethanks streuner_
06:38.53grendal_primeyou da man...i think...
06:38.54Azarone hour more left here..
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06:39.21grendal_primei mean unless your not, and if so..your the mostest coolest linux chic i know.
06:39.24Azaryup those README docs I love much more than the man phonebooks
06:39.43rye78chick? wann cyb0r? *flares eyebrows*
06:39.58Azarpurrrr
06:40.07rye78I put on my robe and wizard hat
06:40.18Azarhehe pizza
06:40.57rye78you guys hear about Hal Turner getting pwnt by 7chan?
06:40.58grendal_primehey, if hes actually a chick, ...shes mine...my wifes say thats ok!
06:41.05rye78lol
06:41.29buckyhow do i get spell check to work in OOo
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06:42.02Azarbucky what is OOo
06:42.07grendal_primebucky...im gonna tell you straight up...(without making you look stupid...)
06:42.11Azarerr open office ok
06:42.22grendal_primeinstall myspell-en-us
06:42.29buckythank you
06:42.34grendal_primenp dude..
06:42.37grendal_primeim here for ya,
06:42.43grendal_primehere..as in not in sonora
06:42.53buckySan Andreas?
06:43.01grendal_primehate both those places
06:43.01Azargomora maybe?
06:43.33grendal_primebucky ..."get use to disapointment"  princess bride.
06:44.06grendal_primebucky, you are located in the midwest?  i have a friend that moved there..
06:44.19Azarok my next gadget I want on my X is a cookoo clock with a cookoo birdsong
06:44.49streuner_hehe
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06:47.33buckygrendal_prime, so what are you drinking?
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06:49.15grendal_primeits newyears eve..champaneya...cheep stuff too..
06:49.32grendal_primeout of the cheeze i like thoug...(booooo)
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06:50.06grendal_primebuckets of champenya....you bucky...
06:50.08grendal_prime?
06:50.22buckycoffee
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06:52.15grendal_primecoffee..hmmm
06:53.34buckypong
06:53.39grendal_primeyou aint my exwife are you?
06:53.52grendal_primeone of them?
06:54.07buckyno
06:54.26grendal_primehmm a brand new stalker hu
06:55.11grendal_primewell just so you know...ahead of time, i dont work in the porno industry anymore.
06:55.38multi_iohmm, the normal outputs echo'd by init scripts (e.g. in /etc/init.d/ in Debian) are not logged anywhere? Is that right?
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06:55.49grendal_primeI know..you may have enjoyed the films and all..but lots of people did, and no i cant hook you up with any of my old costars.
06:55.59multi_ioI think it would be init's job to direct those lines to the syslog facility
06:58.04buckygrendal_prime, so you live in the San Pornando Valley
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07:00.36buckySememmon, Happy New Year!
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07:09.04jesdynfThat's not /funny/. I saw exim4's changelog in Etch -- new languages. An Italian localization? Hey, that's a good idea. Punjabi? Sure, why not.
07:09.07jesdynfEsperanto?
07:12.50grendal_primeok...what groups does a user have to belong to for udev to work. ...say i plug in a memstick..
07:13.16grendal_primei keep geting an error about a security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient.
07:14.16Azarhmm looks access to mount drives
07:14.26grendal_primehad interface "org.freedesktop.hal.device.volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.hal")
07:14.39grendal_primethat is one bizar ass error message.
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07:15.15Azarwell do users have rights to mount devices?
07:15.25grendal_primethought he did
07:16.24blahdeblah_Hi all.  Could anyone comment on why postfix seems to drag in everything under the sun on etch?  http://rafb.net/p/d64xEN45.html
07:16.33grendal_primething is, this user on this machine can read the device, he has less, and well no mount is not even a group from what i can tel on this machine.
07:16.42Azarhmmm try the wheel group
07:17.01grendal_primewheel?
07:17.14Azaryep
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07:17.31buckyplugdev ?
07:17.48grendal_primeya...plugdev was what i thought to.
07:17.57grendal_primewheel, never seen that before
07:18.17grendal_primenow with the entire machine need to go down for that to work bucky?
07:18.22AzarOne way to make root accessible is to add appropriate staff accounts to the wheel group (in /etc/group).
07:18.24grendal_primecause i did log the user out and back in
07:19.08grendal_primehow about the users group
07:19.46grendal_primeits against my better judgement but im going to restart the machine
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07:20.00grendal_primeits a laptop, and  a funky one at that
07:20.07buckygrendal_prime, you don't have to
07:20.13grendal_primeya i know..
07:20.21buckygrendal_prime, lsmod |grep usb_storage
07:20.45grendal_primedude..i could have installed a new kernel at this point though...ive just been installing things...sort of over my shoulder
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07:21.48grendal_primeooook
07:21.51grendal_primewell it works now
07:21.53grendal_primehmmm
07:22.01grendal_primecould be..the users group??
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07:22.17grendal_primecould be...the thing just needed to be rebooted for some straaaang ass reason
07:22.27grendal_primeit does..work now though
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07:22.59grendal_primehey, how do i unmount...stuff that udev has mounted..
07:23.07grendal_primeif thats the way to word it..
07:23.08rytyumount?
07:24.09Azarhehehe this is nice, why "wheel group" is called "wheel" and not "administrative" .. :)
07:24.09buckygrendal_prime, if it put an icon on your desktop for it.. right click on it and click on Eject in the menu
07:24.09grendal_primewellll, ya, but this is on my dads machine...he...is sort of ...not so quick about this sort of thing, now..he has gotten rather good at you know rightclicky, actions, unmount.
07:24.46grendal_primeok so i need to basically set the desktop to just display those devices.
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07:26.28AzarThe guy who wrote the group functionality was both a buddhist and a Journey fan. He was listening to "Wheel in the Sky" while trying to figure out a way to give more people administrative rights without giving too much access. In a fit of enlightement, he came up with a special group for administrators. Since they were the one who kept things turning, it only seemed appropriate that "wheel" be immortalized in the /etc/group file.
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07:27.09buckyRMS hates the wheel group.. he considers it elitist and exclusionary
07:27.39xriI just installed gnome, and it only lets me select a refresh rate of 61hz, how do I make it so I can select like 85??
07:27.47AzarRMS who?
07:28.36grendal_primethats great accept i dont see a wheel group on my machine
07:28.53buckyxri, specify the correct amount of video ram when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-*
07:28.54Azarfirstly the wheel group might be a security threat, say you give a "friend" a wheel two weeks later he's not your friend anymore
07:29.15grendal_primethat rat bastard, ill kick him in the nuts
07:29.19Azarheck I forgot how I did it but there is a wheel out there
07:29.34grendal_primethen take him out of the wheel group...wait..see i dont need to worry about that rat bastard
07:29.42buckyAzar, what distro?
07:29.50xribucky: '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver is not installed'
07:30.08grendal_primexserver-xorg
07:30.12xrikk
07:30.13Azarhmm I am on Debian but I know the /etc/group refers to BSD
07:30.29Azarin Debian must be somewhere hidden, I forgot where
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07:30.43rytyAzar: find /|grep group|less
07:30.47grendal_primehidden in debian?   i dont think soo
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07:30.56xribucky: what do I set the RAM to? I just want to make my refresh rate 85
07:30.57Azargrendal_prime: try  adduser wheel grendal_prime
07:31.02buckydebian decided not to use wheel back when we gave a dam about what RMS thought
07:31.15Azaryea but we can still use it
07:31.20Azarat least in Sarge I do
07:31.21buckyxri, how much video ram do you have?
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07:31.31Azardunno about Etch
07:31.33xriIm not sure, Bucky, it's a cappy integrated card
07:31.47grendal_primeif you set it up yourself i think...( i still like the idea about just kicking the rat bastard squar in the nuts though)
07:32.10AzarI am on wheel
07:32.19grendal_primefreak
07:32.21grendal_primehehehe
07:32.26Azarworx?
07:32.37grendal_primeim on etch, and i dont see any group called wheel
07:32.48grendal_primeor even wh*
07:32.50Azaryou don't look for it, just add yourself to it
07:32.52grendal_primeor eel
07:33.00grendal_primehmmm
07:33.13Azarwell as root add your user account to it
07:33.16xriBucky, Ya didn't give up on me I hope =/
07:33.23grendal_primehidden group?  sounds very...suse-ish to me.
07:33.31bonez39dpkg amd64 installation
07:33.39buckyxri, i dont know how much video ram you have
07:33.40Azaryep
07:33.48xribucky: is there a command to check?
07:34.02grendal_primelook on the box it cam in?
07:34.37grendal_primeunless you pulled it out of some drawer..( /me does that alot around here)
07:34.49grendal_primewhat the /me
07:35.00grendal_primethat only works at the start of a line?
07:35.28Azarhehe that tickled grendal_prime
07:35.34Azarbucky: # anti-RMS configuration in /etc/pam.d/su
07:36.45xribucky: Video Memory: Shared Video Memory (UMA)
07:36.46xri=/
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07:38.19buckyxri, is this a laptop?
07:38.24xrino
07:38.28xridesktop
07:39.16buckyxri, what's the motherboard/integrated video chipset?
07:39.30xriASROCK K7VM3
07:39.31grendal_primeewwww you got a desktop with shared mem...
07:39.37xriMy nvidia blew
07:39.41xriIll be gettig a new one soon
07:39.46grendal_primebummer
07:39.49xriIt's ok
07:39.56xriRuns soldier of fortune
07:39.57xrihaha
07:40.00Azarso bucky did you see it?
07:40.09grendal_primeim glad your not too torn up over it
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07:40.35grendal_primehey guys..i got 15 min tell new years...
07:40.36buckyAzar, let me look
07:40.41grendal_primewhat should i do...
07:40.52buckypop the cork
07:41.04grendal_primerun down town sonora naked (that was for bucky)
07:41.10Azarhttp://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_system_administration/debian_linux_guides/debian_linux_reference_guide/ch-tune.en_006.html <<wheel
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07:41.22Azarhehe
07:41.57Azara gentoo geek tought me about wheel group
07:42.01grendal_primedude..you need to ace the wheel..got with the kicking people in the nuts policy.  its more fun.  More of  a personal level really.
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07:43.03xriFor christ sakes
07:43.15Azarwell you know, it was that time when I totally locked my system from any outside knocks, so I needed to let my friend in and with rights, so he told me about wheel
07:43.21grendal_primeIt everyone had the idea that machines where flat out open, and if you messed with anyones stuff, everyone that uses that network got to kick you squar in the nuts, we would not need all this security.
07:43.33xriI set my refresh to 75 in dpkg, and it still wont let me select it, so I tried going in 800x600 fo a sec, and the whole comp went down
07:43.50xriWhy does it have to be soo hard to set my damn refresh rate to 75
07:44.26grendal_primeya, xri you do know if you set refresh rates wrong, you can ace a vid card..right..
07:44.27Azarwhy 75 why not 60 ?
07:44.37grendal_primehey wait, didnt you do that already?
07:44.43xriMy card supports up to 85
07:44.55xriand no, my nvidia supported up to 85 too
07:45.06Azarheck use the one that worx, use the 60 watt bulb
07:45.09grendal_primeya but at what resolution
07:45.15xri1024x768
07:45.23Azarya that worx with 60watts
07:45.26xrimore on the nvidia
07:45.33xri60 is hell
07:45.36xriim getting a headache
07:45.39xriI need at least 75
07:45.43grendal_primeya 60 is prett rough
07:45.51Azaryet worx with my stuff
07:45.58xriim used to 85 on windoze
07:46.01buckyxri, you may only need to tell it shared memory
07:46.12grendal_prime60? damn cooks your eyes after like an hour.
07:46.14teledyn__60 watts?
07:46.16AzarIuse both the 800x600 for cli and 1024x768 for X
07:46.29buckyif you have to hand edit it... make a backup and put something in there like http://people.debian.org/~ema/aspire1314.html
07:46.58Azargrendal_prime: that I used to use with all my PCs windows or linux 60
07:47.14xriwow
07:47.28xriI god a bad headache right now, from only 20 mins
07:47.37Azargrab a beer
07:47.46xrilol, im 17
07:47.56grendal_primeoooo grab 4 or..12 then
07:47.58Azarits new years man, big excuse
07:48.05xri;p
07:48.21xrithe beer store wont take 'cmon its new years'
07:48.23grendal_primeya...that and..hes 17 ...dude trust me you got the extra braincells
07:49.03protocol1I use 60 hz on my lappy
07:49.06protocol1its aight
07:49.08xriwow
07:49.48Azarxri maybe the monitor needs work to adjust the image, use 60
07:49.54grendal_primehey...ok big serious question. (see my eyebrows furrow)...ive been using mozilla for some time now..cause it seems to me that firefox..gets kinda flaky.  and Konq..hell it bombs yahoomail.
07:50.24xriand I cant set my color depth to 32....only 24
07:50.25grendal_primebut umm in etch, does firefox have any major hangups?
07:50.26xriwtf?
07:50.43grendal_primexri my laptop is only 16
07:50.54xriyes, but I run 32 on windows on this
07:50.59grendal_primewith 3d exceration.
07:51.05grendal_primewell..thats windows
07:51.06protocol1grendal_prime, not for me...I use 1.5.0.7
07:51.17xriwell I should be able to run what im capable of
07:51.25xriYour saying to me linux is a crutch?
07:51.28protocol1I should get 2
07:51.29grendal_primeone would think
07:51.42grendal_primeits..umm free.
07:51.48xri...
07:51.53xriWindows is free to pirate..
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07:51.57grendal_primeand the liscensing is much easyer to deal with
07:52.09xriSo your saying,...if youc an afford windows, get it?
07:52.13xri-.-
07:52.14grendal_primesure
07:52.15buckylinux isn't free... it takes work
07:52.17grendal_primego for it
07:52.24grendal_primebuy all you want
07:52.28xrigrendal
07:52.34grendal_primebuy beta...thats what your doing
07:52.34xriYou're like...the least helpful person >_>
07:52.43grendal_primeactually no..
07:52.49grendal_primeive met much worse
07:52.53xriyea
07:52.58xriso have I now that I think of it
07:52.59grendal_primeim drunk
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07:53.01xriin #fedora
07:53.06buckyhahaha
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07:53.12grendal_primeits newyears eve
07:53.13sybecHappy new year debian folks!
07:53.19buckyhny
07:53.24frenchninjawhy thankyou
07:53.32xriNothing like 60watt eyeball popping to celebrate
07:53.35xridamnit
07:53.37gbany tricks/extra packages required too make a pcmcia cabletron work in 2.6 on sid?
07:53.37grendal_primealso ive been stairing at a mssql cbt for 3 days...
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07:53.59gblike configuring it sumwhere :)
07:54.04grendal_primemssql is the biggest pieceoshito db server i have ever seen by the way.
07:54.37xriWhat's the command to restart X?
07:54.43grendal_primestartx
07:54.53grendal_primeor... X
07:54.56grendal_primei thnk
07:54.58grendal_primethink
07:55.10gbxri: just kill it & startx, X, do whatever you did too start it too begin with
07:55.10xriFatal server error:
07:55.10xriServer is already active for display 0
07:55.13grendal_primestartx works for sure.
07:55.27grendal_primectrl + alt + f7
07:55.36xridoesnt work either
07:55.37xrilol
07:55.40fredforfaentry ctrl+alt+backspace....this WILL kill x and probably restart it
07:55.43xriok
07:55.51Azarxri starx does not work? are you root?
07:55.58Azarweeeeeeeeeee
07:55.59grendal_primeprobably
07:56.06gbhuh?
07:56.23grendal_primexri i think does
07:56.27Azargb, I was refering to xri
07:56.30grendal_primemayby not..
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07:56.46xriFinally, 75hz
07:56.49xriyey
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07:56.52fredforfaen:)
07:56.59xriIt's a little rough coming from 85, but I wont bitch
07:57.25buckyi always just threaten my computer with an XP install cd.. that usually does it
07:57.33xriI usually just kick it
07:57.36grendal_primeyour only 17...next year you can take it like a man
07:57.40xriI wonder why my nvidia card doesnt wor anymore
07:57.41grendal_primehahaha
07:57.42grendal_primesorry
07:57.42xrilol
07:57.50xrilmao
07:58.45grendal_primeand xri for the record..i hate....HATE HATE HATE MICROSOFT.
07:59.03xrihaha, I would, if it wasn't for the xbox ;)
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07:59.33buckyxri,  maybe because you didn't turn off the integrated video in you bios?
07:59.46xriI didd
08:00.01wiredddHappy new year west coast!
08:00.15xriIt's 2am here
08:00.15buckyhny
08:00.22xriI can tell you what happens int he future
08:00.25gbbah 5pm ere
08:00.35gbon the west coast :P
08:00.44grendal_primeI dont play games but the xbox is what ms should be doing
08:00.54xriI am the dog, the big bad dog, the big bad bounty hunterrrr
08:00.57xrithis show is soo weird
08:00.59Azarwest coas of what?
08:01.05gbau
08:01.18grendal_primehappy new year
08:01.27grendal_primeim going to bed.
08:01.30grendal_primeseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
08:01.37grendal_primeoh thanks for the help
08:01.39gbno threats please :P
08:01.39Azarok good sleep
08:01.54buckybuh bye gp
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08:02.05grendal_primeand remeber boys, its yours, you can clean it as fast as you want.
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08:02.21xri>_>
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08:03.05buckyand no empty promises
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08:03.43xriSo....whatsup
08:03.59bucky!whatsup xri
08:04.23xriDeciding whether to stay with debian  =/
08:04.52Azarxri, well we got games
08:05.03xriCan someone explain when I boot up, why ti lets me choose between two kernels in grub?
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08:05.14xrior a single-user-mode
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08:05.43Azartry lbreak2 or trackballs
08:05.51abdusabriHi, When trying to configure (xgl), i had this error and tried searching the web, any ideas :)
08:05.53abdusabricompiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 1:0.3.3-0ubuntu2~git2006112~edgy1 is to be installed
08:06.09xriubuntuuuuu
08:06.17Azarxri, never used grub..
08:06.23xrililo is the ugly
08:06.35Azarwell I use lilo
08:06.38xrilol
08:06.46xrigawd its late
08:06.55xriwann cyb00r?21.21?!
08:07.15Azaryou sexay boi
08:07.30xriI like to garnish radishes
08:07.37xri...sexily
08:08.03xriand I have a level 100 elf wizard
08:08.18Azarhehe, want a dip in the pizza?
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08:08.22xriOh, and what a coincidence, your drinks the same color as my level 60 shamans armor
08:08.25xri*flares eyebrows
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08:08.47Azarxri, ever played nethack?
08:09.02xrionly briefly
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08:09.45Azarwhen you spend two years without X, nethack is a good companion
08:09.47pilgrimHow do I synch my palm with gnome?
08:10.03Azarthe rosy one?
08:10.05pilgrimI have evolution 2.8.1
08:10.20xritwo years without x...?
08:10.21xriwhy
08:10.40AzarI was on windows detox
08:11.41Azarbrowsing with links, using irssi and playing nethack, monk life
08:11.46pilgrimAnyone know how to synch my palm with evolution??
08:12.13Azarpilgrim: sorry I would like to help but never used such gadgets
08:12.26gbpilgrim: slap the screen reall hard with your fist open
08:12.28pilgrimAzar, tis all good. Thanks.
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08:12.39pilgrimgb, might hurt :S
08:12.44Azarpilgrim: try asking at #gnome
08:12.54pilgrimAzar, just did that :)
08:13.14xriAzar: buy a spare computer? you can buy one for like 80$ at a yard sale
08:13.15xrilol
08:13.16gbgnome one answered ? :)
08:13.23Azargood night honorables, happy new year
08:13.57gbxri: why would one buy computers at a yard sale? wouldn't yard sales be selling yards?
08:14.13xriharharhar
08:14.28xrii geddit
08:14.33xriu r a funy 1
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08:15.15zinxgb: yes, just like flea markets are for buying/selling/trading fleas
08:15.26pilgrimgb, nope. not yet
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08:25.39magyarahoy
08:29.22mineralehow can one do a apt-cache search rar -> but only return results that contain rar in the package name ?
08:29.40mineraleother than piping it through | awk '{print $1}' | grep rar
08:29.47xriyou ahve to reconfigure the confibulator
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08:32.34janttsui installed alsa and run alsaconf. it configured the right sound card and i can see it in alsamixer now. still i can't get any sound...
08:32.38magyari need help to configure dual boot on etch
08:33.00magyarwin  xp and etch
08:33.35ThePubjanttsu: if you have more than one sound card, iirc you need an .asoun.conf file indicating the default sound device.
08:33.53magyarif i use the rescue cd , it errors`out
08:33.57ThePubasound.conf
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08:34.02buckyminerale, unrar-free ?
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08:35.05buckyjanttsu, are the speakers plugged in and on?
08:35.11janttsuyes bucky
08:35.27janttsuThePub: i'll look at that
08:35.30buckyplugged in the right hole
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08:36.00janttsuyes ;)  i haven't touched them since i used them in ubuntu.. :D
08:36.07janttsunow i try etch
08:36.37buckyjanttsu, type groups and make sure you're a member of audio
08:36.52janttsuyes i am
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08:38.17buckyjanttsu, and Master and PCM are up in alsamixer?
08:38.25janttsuyes
08:39.14buckydid that esd conflict ever get resolved.. i never had a problem with it
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08:50.49janttsuThePub: now the only sound card in /proc/asound/cards is the right one. still no sound...
08:52.49gbhow bout your volumn settings?
08:52.57gbinstall a mixer
08:53.05janttsui'm using alsamixer now
08:53.17gbnon zero?
08:53.28sybecmake sure it's not muted too
08:53.32gbthat caught me a few years back
08:53.35janttsuno it's not muted..
08:53.58icicledisn't esd dead yet?
08:54.15gbthey weren't muted then either but one of the mixers I had installed had a default setting of very quiet :)
08:54.42icicledi thought the new way was to use alsa + dmix
08:54.53gbnah I still run esd here on 2.6.19.1
08:55.13icicledmaybe its time to upgrade :P
08:55.16gbbut only cause till yesterday I was still using 2.4
08:55.19icicledtime to sleep!
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09:22.26mfi_Any useful link on how to install Emacs22 testing? "Debian"
09:23.48sybecemacs and useful in the same sentence? hah
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09:26.47grummundhappy new year everyone!...
09:26.52grummundHow can I append an email directly to a mbox, accounting for file locks etc.? is there a tool to do this?
09:27.49meffwhats the best way to pin on a repository with no Release file?
09:28.20scrillazhappy new year grummond
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09:33.49scribeboxhi
09:34.34protocol1happy new years
09:34.43protocol1from Alaska
09:34.55scribeboxthx
09:34.57scribeboxhappy new years
09:35.00scribeboxfrom texas i suppose
09:35.01scribebox:)
09:36.02scribeboxhi, was curious, i just added a harddrive to my ubuntu / debian box (im not ...a huge ..newbie..) anyway, i formatted it with reiserfs and mounted and everything else on my own, now im just having trouble editing my fstab file :/ there is some new UUID instead of my usual.. /dev/hdb1 type mount points
09:36.10scribeboxand i have no idea what to do :/
09:36.35protocol1same here.....since I dont drink I might as well play music
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09:36.54protocol1can toast with an ice water though
09:36.55protocol1lol
09:37.18scribeboxany suggestions?
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09:43.25gbscribebox: if it's for booting ubuntu, you might want too start with the correct channel
09:43.43scribeboxblah
09:43.46scribeboxi just figured it out
09:43.52scribeboxi just needed to know how to find out my UUID
09:43.53scribebox:/
09:43.55scribeboxvol_id
09:44.01scribeboxis the prog i was looking for, thx anwyay
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09:44.30gbthank goodness I run sid & dont have such issues :)
09:44.54gbmind you I'd not bother with reiserfs anyhow
09:45.06scribeboxheh, its the KILLER filesystem :D
09:45.20scribeboxi rather enjoy it.
09:45.35scribeboxanyway, no, i really like the idea behind uuid instead of /dev/hdb1
09:45.37scribeboxetc
09:45.49scribeboxbecause, no matter where you place the harddrive, or in what order
09:45.53scribeboxits found based on the uuid
09:46.01scribeboxmakes editing the fstab more ..seemless i suppose
09:46.47gbhmm I've never had such issues
09:47.11scribeboxblah, coming from the perspective of someone who is ALWAYS tinkering with harddrives/cdroms
09:47.11gbnotebooks dont have a lot of room for many devices :)
09:47.13scribeboxits nice :0
09:47.40scribebox*shrug* thats true..
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09:47.52gbyeahok if you dont use your systemon a regular basis I suppose
09:48.17gbpersonally I dont pull my notebbok every other day too replace a drive
09:48.24gbit just continues too function
09:48.57mrynitdebian etch will not install with my CD drive. i had to use a different drive. i tried installed 5 times with my original drive but it would for some reason stop reading the cd drive. drive is 100% fine. just for some reason during install debian would not beable to see the cd drive.
09:49.28gbscratch disc?
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09:50.00gbtry it in another machine too makes sure the disk is ok
09:50.23scribeboxits still not wanting to moun.
09:50.25scribeboxmount*
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09:50.30scribeboxthis is strange..
09:50.34scribeboxhow do i read my boot logs
09:50.43scribeboxthis is ona  server in the backroom with no monitor (headless..)
09:50.45scribeboxso..
09:50.48scribeboxim kind of in the dark
09:50.50mrynitno the cd is 100% fine.
09:51.06gbscribebox: turn the light on then :P
09:51.08mryniti got a different drive and used the same CD and had no problem
09:51.21xinguscribebox: bootlogd
09:52.02gbapply pmt too defective drive
09:52.18gbguarranteed too fix it
09:52.24gbone way or another
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09:53.26mrynitgb what is pmt?
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09:53.52gbPercusive Maintenance Tool
09:54.09Flash_mrynit, can you swap the good drive with the dodgy drive just to boot?
09:54.11gbtypically a 10lb sledgehammer or similar
09:54.40mrynitFlash_ it was a CD-ROM drive
09:54.52gbgood too use on users as well
09:54.57mrynitits fine now. the drive is a CD/DVD -+ RW R
09:56.37Zerthisbye
09:56.50mrynitand im using a SATA harddrive
09:57.14Flash_yeah, i understand that. I mean - can you remove the cd-drive that this disk works with and replace the one that it doesn't work with?
09:57.24mrynithavent tried
09:57.30Flash_older cd-rom drives have problems reading rw drives
09:57.41mrynitits brand new practly only a year old
09:57.43Flash_hardware issue, nothing you can do to fix it other than swap the drive
09:58.08mrynitetch hates NEC optical drives?
09:58.19Flash_Nothing to do with the OS
09:58.24Flash_works on one and not the other, use the one it works on. Once installed you won't need it again
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09:58.39mrynityeah
09:59.00Flash_to etch, this drive is just a generic IDE CD/ROM device. It's up to the drive to return the data intact
09:59.16scrillazis etch stable yet?
09:59.49Flash_no
10:00.11Flash_aiui, frozen and "any day now"
10:00.11mrynitscrillaz dont try installing it with NEC CD/DVD combo drives
10:00.29scrillazok
10:01.25mrynitFlash_ i have installed many OSes with the drive just etch seems to loose connection to it during install. what would cause that?
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10:02.43Flash_mrynit I have no idea. I would swap drives. Google may give you any known issues with a particular model.
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10:08.41mrynitFlash_ guess what! im not the only one with the problem!
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10:09.39mrynitoh well
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10:10.16Dewidoes anybody know anything about hotswap with sata_sil? does it work; is it safe; how is it done?
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10:15.19utrrrongeebHow do I prevent ordinary users from creating files in the root directory?
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10:16.07samuelsup all
10:16.44samuelsomething went wrong when importing debian keys to apt... now every package is "NOT AUTHENTICATED"... how can I reset this?
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10:18.04mrynitin etch with gnome how can check my harware periphials
10:18.19mrynitperipherals*
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10:18.47ArafangionI've lost htpasswd2, how do I get it back?
10:18.47harksamuel: install debian-archive-keyring
10:18.58samuelhark: i did that!, thats what screwed it up
10:19.17samuelmrynit: lspci?
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10:20.07blaamannI bought a new KVM and my mouse does not work in one of the computers. Is there a way I can rediscover my mouse in Debian Sarge ?
10:20.32mrynitif its a ps/2 mouse try adding a usb addapter
10:20.45mrynitvisa versa
10:21.03blaamannmrynit: Is is a USB mouse
10:22.54mrynitdoes the kvm work with other mice? kvms can hand on mice some times when switching from a comp with out a mouse to a comp with a mouse enabled
10:23.20mrynitthere are usb to ps/2 converters. you could try that
10:24.35ArafangionI've tried: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-utils
10:24.35ArafangionBut I just don't have it.
10:24.35ArafangionYThis seems to have *vanished* since the upgrade to Etch.
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10:24.59ArafangionI've lost htpasswd2, how do I get it back?
10:25.04ArafangionI've tried: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-utils
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10:25.09ArafangionThis seems to have *vanished* since the upgrade to Etch.
10:26.41gbArafangion: It may have been deprecated/replaced with something else
10:27.23gbyou could always reinstall the package containing it
10:28.06mrynitsamuel: i had a parrallel PCI add on card in the mobo when i installd etch. would the proper dirvers been installed for it already?
10:28.08Arafangiongb: Isn't that what apt-get install --reinstall apache2-utils does?
10:28.33ArafangionI could always ask a more generic question:
10:28.44ArafangionHey guys, how do I add a user to an apache2 password file?
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10:28.52mrynitusing lspci i get NetMos Technology PCI 9815 Multi-I/O Controller
10:28.57samuelmrynit: what card
10:28.57gbumm no
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10:29.26_Brandon_hi, is anyone having crashes while starting kde in debian unstable?
10:29.41mrynit_Brandon_ i tried KDE and it worked on etch
10:29.45samuelmrynit: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=eRz&q=debian+NetMos+Technology+PCI+9815+Multi-I%2FO+Controller&btnG=Search
10:30.09_Brandon_mrynit: sid not etch
10:30.10samuellooks like you need to set it up
10:30.19gbhmm kde as in using kde as your desktop or kde as in apps using kde?
10:30.53mrynitok im new to linux. so you got stable unstable and testing?
10:30.56_Brandon_after login on kdm it start the bootsplash then xorg crash
10:31.12mrynit_Brandon_ video drivers?
10:31.13_Brandon_mrynit: stable testing and unstable it's the order
10:31.32_Brandon_yes i'm using konversation on xfce now and it works good
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10:32.10gbpersonally I avoid using kde unless theres no alternative app
10:32.19Arafangiongb: What do you mean by "umm, no"
10:32.29gblike kstars which currently draws my rootwindow every 10minutes
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10:33.34gbArafangion: reinstall reinstalls the latest version as far as Iknow
10:34.06gbit even goes out n checks if theres something later then whats currently installed
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10:35.52Arafangiongb: So, why don't I have htpasswd2?
10:36.25Arafangiongb: apt-file explicitly lists apache2-utils as having: usr/bin/htpasswd2
10:36.29gbArafangion: I'm sure I dont know,but I told you how too recover it if needed
10:36.48gbif you dont have the old package look on pdo for it
10:37.09_Brandon_really strange if i start kde from an xterm on display :2 it doesn't crash :P
10:37.18_Brandon_maybe it's some problem with kdm
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10:42.51scrillazgot a cool link to enable firefox 2.0 in etch
10:43.03Arafangiongb: Why do I need the "old" package, if hte current package apparently already contains it - it just misteriously vanishes.
10:43.44Arafangiongb: It's just like the http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08161.html except that both the man page and the program itself are gone.
10:43.54scrillazhttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/80445-howto-install-firefox-2-various-plugins-debian-etch.html
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10:45.27snowrichardhello
10:45.52gbArafangion: as I told you I'm sure I dont know
10:46.24utrrrongeebHow do I prevent ordinary users from creating files in the root directory?
10:46.40Arafangiongb: Ok, sorry for bothering you :)  Thanks for being so attentive, though.  I would've been more irritated if nobody at all answered.
10:47.02Arafangionutrrrongeeb: Erm...  I don't think they can, by default.
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10:47.37utrrrongeebArafangion: What might I have done to accidentally change that?
10:47.55snowrichardchmod -R 777 / ?
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10:48.24Brandon2ok so starting kde with startx works fine
10:48.36Brandon2but i have huge fonts anyone knows how to fix this?
10:49.32utrrrongeebI'll check my groups; possible putting myself in an administrative group would do that?
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10:53.12blahdeblah_Hi all.
10:53.49blahdeblah_<PROTECTED>
10:55.42Arafangionblahdeblah_: aptitude generally handles complex dependencieds, such as the upgrade from sarge to etch, better.
10:56.22blahdeblah_Is there a way you can beat it into submission with respect to recommends?
10:56.25blahdeblah_I've tried -R
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10:56.47blahdeblah_and it starts uninstalling stuff that it previously installed via recommends.
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11:05.17gimpyhello, is there an ftp site where i can download the etch netinstall?
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11:05.54cuscoprobabbly yes
11:06.22blahdeblah_gimpy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/current/
11:07.07gimpyhello blahdeblah_  thanks i will try it
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11:14.20gbblahdeblah_: yes
11:14.41blahdeblah_gb: Yes about what?  :-)
11:14.53gbcompelling reasons
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11:19.27blahdeblah_gb: Would you care to enumerate them?
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11:20.31perlmonkeyhappy new year to all debian users
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11:21.51perlmonkeyim unable to start firefox as it says a window is already open and i need to shut down the process, but i dont see a process running for firefox running...is it an obscure name I should look for?
11:22.33perlmonkeyfink I broke my sys
11:22.56splattnikits name should be firefox-bin, it happens to me all the time.
11:23.02pumpkin0perlmonkey: there is pid-file somewhere hidden inside your home dir blocking all other firefox-starts.
11:23.08perlmonkeybugger I dont see it
11:23.15perlmonkeyoh
11:23.25splattnikso killall firefox-bin should solve it i guess.
11:23.48perlmonkeymany thanks guys
11:24.33phoggwould ajusting the -dpi ofy X result in an apparent change in font size?
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11:26.12mrynitcouls some one run synatpic and search for avr-gcc. i tried it and is not on the list. i need to get avr-gcc. the last time i got it was with synpatic about 2 weeks ago.
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11:27.42splattnikupdate your cache and check with apt-cache search instead, far more simple.
11:28.00Thmshow to know the % of non-free packages I have ?
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11:30.22perlmonkeystrange
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11:31.00r3mHi i have debian 3.1 wpasupplicant is not available for this version i think, how to connect to a wpa-psk network please
11:31.08perlmonkeythe killall firefox-bin didnt close the process, and after following the moz site instructions, i was unable to find the lock or .parentlock files
11:31.15perlmonkeystill can't start firefox :-/
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11:32.50Ggesplatnick, avr-gcc is not known by synaptics
11:33.34splattnikperlmonkey: go look in the process list and make sure you have killed firefox-bin and related, next; try running firefox from an terminal which hopefully will give you more information.
11:33.46mrynitGge it used to be
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11:34.04perlmonkeysplattnik: there is no firefox-bin in the process list or anything remotely related
11:34.11perlmonkeyok
11:34.17mrynitGge thanks anyways
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11:35.05perlmonkeystarting firefox from shell gives same error.. already running, end process
11:35.45perlmonkeywhat to do eh
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11:36.45Drgbhi, is there a way to force udev to search for devices again? I deleted /dev/hdd* and I'd like my HD to be recognized again
11:37.00perlmonkeyoo i found a .mozilla folder
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11:39.39splattnikperlmonkey: if you still cant find it you could always reboot and hopefully it isnt still running when you turn your machine on ;)
11:39.54perlmonkeyhehe I tried rebooting 1st
11:39.57CharminTheMoose!test
11:39.57dpkgTest Failed.
11:40.28r3mHOW TO force my computer to connect ONLY to MY network, the computer can stop takin the acces point of another network
11:41.38mrynitok so i guess they changed the name vrom avr-gcc to gcc-avr
11:41.38rvallesis there a way for aptitude update to get .gz package dbs instead of .bzip2?
11:41.56rvallessince bzip2 is a performance issue in old CPUs.
11:43.11gbr3m: static addressing
11:44.34perlmonkeyheh even reinstalling firefox didnt stop the lock/running process
11:44.49perlmonkeyf'kin sux
11:45.00mrynitperlmonkey why not use Opera
11:45.16gbnah lynx :)
11:45.32gbopera is not open source :P
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11:45.53mryniti like it. to bad no extentions
11:45.57HymnToLifeperlmonkey, what's wrong with FF ?
11:46.09gbhas some nice features(?bugs) though :)
11:46.37perlmonkeyHymnToLife: it will no longer start, says a window is open that is not responding and the process must be shutdown
11:46.40mrynitgb what dont you like about? besides the extentions and not open source?
11:47.14HymnToLifeperlmonkey, it's a common issue, you just need to delete a file in your ~/.firefox
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11:47.25gbmrynit: open source is the only reason I dont use it
11:47.33HymnToLifedon't remember which one, just google for it :)
11:47.35gbIprefer lynx cause it's faster
11:47.41SubStackmrynit: why do you hate freedom?
11:47.52perlmonkeyHymnToLife: do you know which file? I deleted one which had random characters in filename which looked like a session file, but made no difference
11:48.02Drgbfreedom is for losers, cool people is oppressed
11:48.14Drgb</offtopic>
11:48.26perlmonkeybtw, my .firefox folder is inside .mozilla parent folder, is that the same folder?
11:48.27gbfine I'll keep being a loser then :)
11:48.43SubStackw3m!
11:48.48Drgb(just joking, guys)
11:48.54mrynit:( opera is less hassle to setup and get all your plugins to work
11:49.06gbw3m is ok but I still prefer lynx :)
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11:49.11Drgbanyway, does anybody know how to force udev to search for devices again?
11:49.12HymnToLifeyeah, don't remember the name of the folder either, I meanth the folder where FF stores your prefs
11:49.16mryniti find it has most the features of FF, just lacks the extentions
11:49.20perlmonkeyok
11:49.23gbmainly because of the time I spent configuring it too do what I want
11:49.25blahdeblah_Is there a preferred way to set http_proxy et. al. under sarge and/or etch (like U****u's proxy configuration)?
11:49.39Alzi2what's so good about debian? am on Fedora now...
11:49.40HymnToLifegoogle will tell you what to do exactly :)
11:50.05blahdeblah_Alzi2: Google for "Why Debian?"
11:50.11HymnToLifeAlzi2, if you like Fedora, then stay with Fedora
11:50.46perlmonkeyHymnToLife: thanks your advice worked, I just deleted all the files in .firefox and now its started
11:51.08mrynitAlzi2 its all GUI to me
11:51.17HymnToLifebut you lost all your bookmarks, that was maybe a bit harsh :p
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11:51.35perlmonkeytrue
11:51.52nevynhow do you get debian into a rhel shop?
11:51.54blahdeblah_Alzi2: The reasons i use Debian are (in no particular order): commitment to free software principles, low churn (less frequent upgrades), and large package selection.
11:52.37blahdeblah_But i have to ask again: Is there a preferred way to set http_proxy (like U****u's proxy configuration)?
11:53.27HymnToLifeblahdeblah_, like you set any other environment var
11:53.35HymnToLifei.e. in ~/.bashrc
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11:54.22blahdeblah_HymnToLife: That's *so* 1990s.  :-)
11:54.43nevynblahdeblah_: you can do it in apt.conf from memory can't remember the syntax tho
11:54.56HymnToLifeblahdeblah_, who cares, as long as it works ?
11:55.00blahdeblah_nevyn: Not just for apt - for *everything*
11:55.19nevynblahdeblah_: /etc/bashrc
11:55.20blahdeblah_HymnToLife: It was a joke...  ;-)
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11:55.46perlmonkeyi got my bookmarks back by importing my backup file
11:56.54gbperlmonkey: dont worry we can fix that by mkswaping /  :)
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11:57.45sobersabrehi
11:57.49r3mgb i use static but all network have the same ip range, is there a better option like a word to write in file like connect-only-to-ssid ssid
11:58.02sobersabrehow can I determine what is V.A.T. rate in canada, for a computer.
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11:58.10sobersabreanyone from there ?
11:58.20gbr3m: if you have a clue, anything is possible
11:58.23blahdeblah_HymnToLife: Maybe half a joke, actually.  It would be nice if all proxy stuff was offloaded to a single routine so that you didn't have to restart programs to get new proxy settings.
11:58.36eilkerhi to all, do i have chance to use any other program similar to kget ?
11:58.36gblike you can reject ssid's, etc if you rtfm
11:58.50sobersabreor maybe in canada it is called 'buy tax' or 'sell tax' ... whatever.
11:58.58gbkget, what does it do?
11:58.58valdynblahdeblah_: you don't,  if you use one of the common desktop environments at least
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11:59.13eilkergb: download manager for kde
11:59.29r3mwhich manual?
11:59.37gbdownload of what?
11:59.40r3minterfaces?
11:59.54blahdeblah_valdyn: I'm talking servers (Xen domUs), not desktop environments.  In most cases, not a big deal, i guess, since nearly everything i do is cmd line.
11:59.58eilkergb: any download...
12:00.15gbr3m: search your favourite web browser with your kernel version & hardware & keywords like configure
12:00.40gboops web search engine rather
12:01.00gbthere are lotsa ways too skin a cat
12:01.23gbso whats best for you depends on your needs & issues
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12:12.13valdynblahdeblah_: suppose if you really needed this feature you could use iptables for that
12:14.04valdyneilker: what's wrong with kget?
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12:14.42eilkervaldyn: when i reboot pc , it resumes download without any problem, but my internet connection is bad, i oftenly disconnect from internet and re-connects automatically, and kget doesnt resume, i need to press "go on" everytime..when i am not awake, i cant download because of this problem...
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12:15.24valdyneilker: hmm, wget can do an arbitrary number of retries
12:15.30valdyneilker: cli tool
12:15.59valdyneilker: seems weird that kget would lack this feature but uh, i dont know kget
12:16.39eilkervaldyn: i would prefer a graphical download manager...i am downlading etch cd 1-2-3 iso's .at the same time..
12:16.46emsseilker man wget
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12:17.04valdyneilker: filezilla?
12:17.18eilkervaldyn: isnt it for ftp ?
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12:17.27valdyneilker: looking
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12:17.41eilkeremss: thanx
12:18.03valdyneilker: yea, really
12:18.03chrismortimoreis anyone a syslog-ng expert?  i'm trying to get it to forward all kernel messages (like the stuff shown on the terminal when i do, say, "modprobe nvidia"), and it doesn't want to do it
12:18.20eilkervaldyn: yes:)
12:18.33valdyneilker: d4x
12:18.53valdyneilker: d4x looks decent, but used to break using my proxy, maybe its fine for you
12:19.28valdynchrismortimore: you want it to 'catch' those console messages before they pop up on console?
12:19.32eilkervaldyn: thank you, downloading it now
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12:20.08chrismortimorevaldyn: yeah, basically. don't like them messing up the console i'm using, so i want to forward them to tty12
12:20.43valdynchrismortimore: that's not a syslog issue, your kernel does that, see /etc/sysctl.conf
12:20.54chrismortimorevaldyn: aaahhhh, cheers
12:22.18valdynchrismortimore: sysctl.conf can stop printk to current console, printing to wherever is still syslog's job
12:23.14chrismortimorevaldyn: yeah, i got it to send stuff to tty12, but it was still coming up on the current one as well. so do i just blank kernel.printk?
12:23.55eilkersee you ppl
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12:26.37mrynitim trying to edit my grub menu.lst file but it is read only. i check with ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root   4648 2007-01-01 01:35 menu.lst  so i need to chmod something right?
12:27.09chrismortimoremrynit: first, check you're root. then make sure /boot is mounted rw.
12:27.11emssmrynit just modify it as root
12:27.27emssmrynit sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
12:27.59mrynitthat ls -l was as root
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12:28.47emssmrynit are you in X, and trying to edit using a gui editor?
12:28.56mrynityes
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12:29.12mryniti could try vim
12:29.16emssstart the gui ditor from command line
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12:29.34emsslike kedit /boot/grub/menu.lst or whatever gui editor you want
12:29.35daveonHi
12:29.47mrynitemcas?
12:30.12emssif you are having problems with permissions I don't think you will get far with emacs
12:30.23mrynitgedit
12:30.51blondieif you run it as root
12:30.53blondietry nano
12:32.05mrynitthis is what happend http://slexy.org/paste/808 gedit did start and loaded the menu.lst
12:32.20mrynitnvm i can save it
12:32.45emss:)
12:33.08mrynitbut couldnt i have done chmod +w menu.lst ?
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12:33.43daveonI'm trying to compile 2.6.8 kernel in debian (make menuconfig)
12:33.53daveonI have gcc ver. 4
12:34.11daveonanybody knows about Bug#319102?
12:34.26kiyuhow conf dhcp server? i want to serve for 192.168.2.0/24, but the dhcp server is only on 192.168.1.0/24
12:34.39kiyuhow to config on the dhcp server side?
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12:36.08CharminTheMoosehttp://pastebin.ca/299041 how do i get rid of these errors?
12:36.47chrismortimoreCharminTheMoose: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure you have the right locales configured
12:37.00daveon2.6.8 is an old kernel, was not ready for gcc 4.0.
12:37.00daveon<PROTECTED>
12:37.06daveonthanks
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12:38.49BrianSteffenswhat is that kde app that rips dvds?
12:39.02chrismortimoreBrianSteffens: k9copy per chance?
12:39.12BrianSteffenssounds about right :)
12:39.37CharminTheMoosei'm still getting the same errors
12:39.52chrismortimoreCharminTheMoose: run "locale -a" and "locale", and post their outputs
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12:41.26casemodsdoes anyone speak python?
12:41.28casemodsi have a little problem
12:41.47CharminTheMoosehttp://pastebin.ca/299049
12:42.02blondiecasemods: #python
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12:42.54casemodsim banned from python for some reason
12:42.56casemodsdunno why
12:43.10chrismortimoreCharminTheMoose: try "export LANG=en_US", and see if that gets rid of it
12:43.51casemodsjust type /quit whoever, and it'll quit them from irc
12:44.04blondieeh?
12:44.32CharminTheMooseyeah chrismortimore,that seemed work
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12:44.43CharminTheMoosethanks
12:44.55blondiedo you have UK keyboards in Ireland, or American ones?
12:45.04chrismortimoreCharminTheMoose: put that into some kind of startup script to make it permanent.
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12:45.25chrismortimoreCharminTheMoose: although it's a kind of dirty way to do it, it works
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12:46.07blondiechrismortimore: how do you know he wants that locale?
12:46.50Madkissrsync -avz -e ssh --files-from=batchfile madkiss@192.168.0.2:/Users/madkiss/bsz -- throws me an error-message, who knows what I did wrong?
12:46.57chrismortimoreblondie: a giant presumption that i didn't realise i made....
12:47.30CharminTheMooseheh
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12:51.49chrismortimorewas the ondemand cpu scaling governor in 2.6.8?  or did it arrive in later kernels?
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12:53.31xleonardoxhi everybody... could someone help me out? i got a new netinstall installation... and i added luks (dm_crypt) support into the filesystems... the trouble is now i'm trying to compile a pkg source and as it seems my instalation lacks the 'kernel-source'... i downloaded a source from kernel.org and i'm trying to compile it debian way... but i'm a little bit afraid about the luks/dm_crypt stuff... a kernel panic on the reboot, or alike... any sugestions on how
12:55.49chrismortimorexleonardox: try installing one of the kernel-source- packages, such as kernel-source-2.6.8
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12:56.51xleonardoxchrismortimore: rachael:/home/xleonardox# aptitude search kernel-source
12:56.51xleonardoxp   cpad-kernel-source                       - source for the Synaptics cPad driver
12:56.53xleonardoxv   misdn-kernel-source                      -
12:56.55xleonardoxp   nvidia-kernel-source                     - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
12:56.58xleonardoxp   wacom-kernel-source                      - source for the wacom binary modules
12:57.07xleonardoxthose are the only options i get...
12:57.20cerridwennopaste :p
12:57.28xleonardoxcerridwen: so sorry :)
12:57.34cerridwenhehe
12:57.35xleonardoxwon't do again
12:57.36cerridwenreally?
12:57.38cerridwen;)
12:57.55HymnToLifexleonardox, it's linux-source
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12:58.31chrismortimorehmm... i wonder how i'm installing kernel-source-2.6.8...............
12:58.45xleonardoxHymnToLife: well... in fact i got this package instaled already
13:01.18BrianSteffensi just did the command 'dvdbackup -i /dev/hdc -o /home/brian/output -M' and got 'Error reading IFO for title set 1' anybody know what that means?
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13:10.24mrynitflash 9 works but i get no audio in Opera 9.10
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13:11.15mrynitany ideas?
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13:11.24BrianSteffensbetter than me lol
13:11.29BrianSteffensflash video works for me
13:11.33BrianSteffensaudio blares out my speakers
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13:11.38mrynitlol
13:11.42BrianSteffensweird clicks and buzzes and squeals
13:11.45mrynitwell turn down the speakers
13:12.00EdLinmrynit: try getting alsa-oss, I vaguely recall it doesn't use alsa.
13:12.01BrianSteffenssounds like they're blaring even almost off hehe
13:12.32BrianSteffensanybody ever got the message 'Error reading IFO for title set 1' when using dvdbackup and installing libdvdcss2 didn't help?
13:12.33mrynitalsa-oss? never heard of it
13:12.58EdLinmrynit: apt-cache show alsa-oss
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13:13.13mrynitlearning linux is fun!
13:13.22BrianSteffensyup =)
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13:13.51EdLinmrynit: sound in Linux is a crap-shoot - I don't garantee it will fix things, but it could.
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13:14.52EdLinmrynit: another possibility is that a sound-daemon is interfering with flash.
13:14.52mrynitmy verison matches whats on debians page
13:15.06EdLinmrynit: debian's page?
13:15.11mrynithttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-oss
13:15.19mrynitVersion: 1.0.12-1
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13:15.31EdLinmrynit: you don't need to surf the web to install or check program versions.
13:15.33moshiimrynit: modprove snd-pcm-oss maybe
13:15.39EdLinmrynit: apt-cache policy foo
13:16.02EdLin!moshii++
13:16.18EdLinexcept that should be "modprobe"
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13:17.37mryniti ran apt-cache show alsa-oss and it told me Version: 1.0.12-1 i checked that against what was on the debian web site for that package. they are the same versions
13:18.31EdLinmrynit: yes, but you need to install it.
13:18.39EdLinmrynit: you *have* run apt-get install for it, right?
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13:19.20mrynitoh im was confused about hte apt-cahce. i thought that ment i alread had it installed!
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13:19.49EdLinmrynit: you'd asked what it was, so I pointed you towards a way to find out what something is. :-)
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13:20.22mrynito
13:20.58mrynitwell playing mp3s work idk if that helps
13:21.24pumpkin0i want to cataloge my CDs and DVDs in a central DB. What tools are in the debian etch repos ? And can they export the data into a text/XML/sqlite-file ?
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13:21.47valdynpumpkin0: gcstar
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13:22.08valdynpumpkin0: easy gui, does all that + more
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13:22.39valdynpumpkin0: uh actually, for dvds, i didnt use that for audio
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13:23.39pumpkin0valdyn: i'm already installing ... does it scan (read the files and make them searchable) the CDs too ?
13:24.26valdynpumpkin0: i only used it for dvd, enter name of movie, gcstar will look up an internet db of your choice and add cover picture, various data
13:25.04valdynpumpkin0: and creates a searchable database that you can export to various formats, like a website
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13:25.27pumpkin0valdyn: uhm. i was more thinking about data CD and DVD, not movies.
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13:25.44valdynpumpkin0: i see, its not what you need then
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13:27.29pumpkin0I need something like the tool WhereIsIt under windows. It scans the CD/DVD, reads in all filenames, sizes, dates and stores the wohle thing in a virtual fs.
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13:44.48Drgbis there a way to force udev to search for devices again? I deleted /dev/hdd* and I'd like my HD to be recognized again
13:45.11Drgb(I suppose udev deals with devices, but I may be wrong)
13:45.35pumpkin0Drgb: are you sure you use udev ? It may be normal /dev ... Did you try MAKEDEV hdd ?
13:45.58Drgbroot      1122  0.0  0.0   2308   432 ?        S<s   2006   0:00 udevd --daemon
13:46.03DrgbI think I use udev
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13:51.53respiderhey, my alt+drag to drag windows is not working anymore... any ideas why?
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13:53.21irkiteHello, does the Debian netinstall image have an md5 sum on the debian site? I can't find it :(
13:53.40Eclipserit should have md5 sum where you downloaded it from
13:53.54Eclipserusually by the same name except .md5 instead of .iso
13:54.18irkiteEclipser: the download link just downloads the file, i don't see any md5sums there
13:54.36irkitehttp://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ this is the place
13:55.02Eclipserthat's not where you downloaded it from
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13:55.46irkitei clicked on the link there and it started downloading
13:55.53Eclipserhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ this one probably (if it's i386 you downloaded)
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13:56.52netman1Hi All. (Happy New Year ;-) ). How do I prevent nscd from starting when I install it in a chroot environment?
13:57.02irkitek thanks, i had to click on the hyperlink property to get it, it would be nicer if debian had a link to the md5sums on that page only (the 1st url)
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13:57.55bsmhi, is there any reason that there's no bluez-pin package in debian testing?
13:58.09azeembsm: it's integrated in one of the others now, AFAIK
13:58.12irkitefound it now , thanks again :)
13:58.21azeem... or obsolete
13:59.15bsmwell, bluetooth security should not be obsolete :)
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14:22.50pumpkin0After adding my USB-CDROM i get this in dmesg: http://pastebin.co.uk/7991 and sg0/sg1 in /dev. But nothing mountable. Which module is missing ?
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14:24.40Eulexpumpkin0, tried scd0/scd1?
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14:25.21pumpkin0Eulex: there is no scd0 or scd1 in /dev...
14:25.29Eulexpumpkin0, ok
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14:26.20pumpkin0Eulex: and creating them with MAKEDEV brings me to : mount: /dev/.static/dev/scd0 is not a valid block device
14:26.43Eulexpumpkin0, hmm, dunno then
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14:29.50xingupumpkin0: anything relevant under /dev/disk/by-path/*3:0:0:0* ?
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14:32.40xingupumpkin0: the relevant part of udev config seems to be - it's matching on the "scsi" device type, which does not seem to be 4 or 5; hence is falling through to bind to the generic driver sg.
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14:34.07xingupumpkin0: you might be able to tickle the device type out of sysfs or perhaps scsiinfo from scsitools; I obvioulsy don't have a usb cdrom to test with, but that's the path you'll need to go down
14:35.07pumpkin0xingu: nothing under /dev/disk/by-path. I geuss i miss the scsi-cd-module, building it right now.
14:35.16xingupumpkin0: "sr"
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14:35.52xingupumpkin0: you turn up anything for your file indexing?
14:36.02xingupumpkin0: ie your q. earlier
14:36.42pumpkin0xingu: cdcat looks good so far. I would like to use 2 CD-ROMs for it (internal and external), that's why i'm asking this now ...
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14:38.23pumpkin0xingu: yes, i was missing sr_mod on this box. Thanks.
14:39.10xingupumpkin0: "gtktalog" also matches, maybe
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14:42.07pumpkin0xingu: the screenshots look nice, i'm installing. May take a while, all the happy-new-year mails are reducing the bandwith...
14:42.17xingu:)
14:43.31xingupumpkin0: also "gwhere"
14:44.04sphenxesI am planning to move from Suse to Debian after the new release "etch" come out. I have only one thing to think about it. It is my D-Link wireless card. I have installed it using madwifi rpm. it works fine on SuSE. My question: is it easy to install DWL-G520 wireless card on Debian. What should I know or what should i prepare for installing my wireless card.
14:44.35xingu!madwifi
14:44.35dpkgwell, madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi  drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner
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14:45.01sphenxesxingu, thanks
14:45.06pumpkin0sphenxes: madwifi is easy but which version of madwifi do you need ?
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14:47.14CharminTheMoosewhat processing power do you need for compiz/beryl? And what about ram usage?
14:47.22Dewioh I am really not having good luck here
14:47.32DewiI just created a new disklabel in fdisk over a partition containing data
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14:48.10Dewipresumably everything is still there... if I create the same partition back again will my filesys still be inside?
14:48.52abrotman!rootsmite Dewi
14:49.20azeemDewi: possibly, although maybe trying some dedicated rescue tool first might lead to safer results
14:49.32abrotmanor use your backup!
14:49.50Dewiabrotman: please stop
14:49.58Dewiabrotman: I have spent my entire xmas break trying to make backups
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14:50.09abrotmanDewi: is this still the same controller from last night ?
14:50.10Dewiabrotman: I waited all day for this disk to copy and it encountered some kind of bad sector
14:50.17Dewiabrotman: sort of
14:50.36Dewiabrotman: I'm just having crap luck all the way through
14:50.43abrotmani think it's weird that mobo can't handle two slightly different Sil chipsets
14:50.52Dewiabrotman: horrible combination of a lot of disks, few backups, and no hardware that seems to want to let me copy disks
14:51.00Dewiand now I've fdisked over the wrong thing
14:51.02Dewiugh.
14:51.33Dewidoes fdisk touch anything but the part table?
14:51.44Dewibecause I still know precisely what it looked like
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14:52.38azeemDewi: I don't think os
14:52.39azeemso
14:53.49sphenxespumpkin0,  sorry for the late answer, I don't know excatly. but I was using madwifi_kmp_defualt_0_9_1.rpm?
14:54.01azeemrpm?
14:54.55sphenxesazeem, I was using suse and planning to go to debian and asking about what should i prepare for my wireless card
14:56.35abrotman!madwifi install
14:56.35dpkgmadwifi-install is, like, to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
14:56.36blondieDewi: did you make your disks work?
14:57.02Dewiblondie: no everything is boned
14:57.02blondie:S
14:57.02pumpkin0sphenxes: the madwifi in debian is newer then that version, so not problem.
14:57.03abrotmanDewi: i dont think it does .. have you tried undoing to changve ?
14:57.14sphenxespumpkin0, thanks
14:57.22Dewiabrotman: hmm. wow, I see files and dirs
14:57.27xinguDewi: fdisk only touches the partition table
14:57.27Dewiabrotman: that's a relief
14:57.41abrotmanDewi: this set of disks is your bakcup ?
14:57.41HomeRoeyHi abrotman!  Happy new year!
14:57.42Dewiblondie: I did eventually get just 4 drives working again
14:57.51abrotmanHomeRoey: hi .. HNY
14:58.09Dewiblondie: not the 5 I wanted though, and it means to copy data on and off I have to boot off a CD
14:58.19Dewi(to free up a SATA port)
14:58.22blondiefun
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14:58.39Dewiand when I boot off a CD at 1 o'clock in the morning I do things like fdisking the wrong disk
14:58.43Dewiand clearing it
14:58.46Dewi:D :D :D
14:58.59blondie:S
14:59.53Dewiokay it appears to still exist
15:00.10abrotmanDewi: maybe time for bed?
15:00.19Dewiabrotman: I have work tomorrow :S
15:00.26abrotmanexactly!
15:00.31michael117My home server keeps becoming unresponsive and I am forced to physically reset it. I'm not familiar with logs, so how could I use them to view what errors are produced before it gets to this state and know exactly what is causing it?
15:00.41pumpkin0xingu: bad: gtktalog has all the plugins i want but cannot give a position to the disc, cdcat can sort the discs by position but has no plugins. Time for a cross-over ...
15:00.55xingupumpkin0: how about gwhere?
15:00.56Dewiabrotman: maybe I need to rob a bank and buy some kind of massive Sun uberserver
15:01.03Dewiabrotman: and then my data will actually be safe
15:01.18abrotmanDewi: or stop buying Sil controllers :)
15:01.33Dewiin theory I was meant to get reliability through distribution
15:01.39Dewibut in practice I just can't bloody back things up
15:01.45pumpkin0xingu: did not have plugins nor positions ...
15:01.52Dewidisks all different sizes... the occasional bad sector... it's a nightmare
15:01.53xingupumpkin0: a clear winner! :)
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15:03.27pumpkin0xingu: i will go with gtktalog. Thanks.
15:04.44michael117My home server continues to become unresponsive, how can I view the error which is causing it to freeze?
15:05.19stray_michael117: take a look in the logs in /var/log/
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15:06.09dsopi've a debian sarge stable system and want to install subversion from the testing, but apt will always remove my kernel when i use apt-get -t testing install subversion
15:06.15michael117stray_: I've tried looking at the dmesg's but they are always updated upon boot so whenever I physically restart it, the previous ones are gone :(
15:06.48stray_you can also try an ssh session into your box from another machine and run top and also tail -f your log.
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15:07.38stray_michael117: do ls -lrt /var/log/ to see the most recent logs. the ones i would check are messages and syslog.
15:07.50pumpkin0dsop: that is normal. You should never mix etch and sarge unless you want to make a distupgrade.
15:08.18dsoppumpkin0, so i've to compile it myself if i want to use e.g. subversion 1.3
15:08.41pumpkin0dsop: first look at www.backports.org
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15:09.03stray_michael117: if you are new at this, it is possible your box has been compromised. either that or your box is broken from a great many possible reasons.
15:09.35abrotmanlook at the real logs
15:09.58abrotmanor try dmesg.0
15:10.07abrotman/var/log/ is full of yummy stuff
15:10.24dsoppumpkin0, thx
15:10.40michael117stray_: thank you very much
15:11.07stray_good luck and hny..
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15:14.46Dewiabrotman: bed time it is. data stops degrading when the system is off, right? /me frets
15:14.58abrotmanhehe
15:15.06pumpkin0Dewi: depends on the HDs...
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15:15.18Phil2hi there
15:15.58DewiI don't know dd very well, but I tried repeating the bad sector read error using dd
15:16.19Dewiand didn't get any fails
15:16.32xingursync's native protocol really is bloody quick.
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15:16.51Dewixingu: it's nice isn't it. I'm trying to decide whether to attempt to make nfs work or just stick with rsync
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15:17.12Dewixingu: I'm sure the ssh slows it down a lot...
15:17.14MooiHello
15:17.17xinguDewi: it's almost perfect for wlan transports
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15:17.29xinguDewi: native, not over ssh
15:18.06Dewixingu: I've never played with native... there's no auth at all is there
15:18.17xinguDewi: stored secret
15:18.28MooiI don't understand why, but at once, all the UDP connections simply get dropped. I'm using two software servers (UDP) and connect to SSH through TCP and I can see myself getting all the clients disconnected. Then, the server doesn't respond and starts responding again. Anybody got any ideas how to fix that?
15:18.30Dewixingu: oh okay, at least that's something
15:19.02DewiMooi: going through any NAT?
15:19.21MooiDewi: no, an open connection to the net
15:19.27MooiJust to let you know, it's a VPS
15:19.39Mooiall the TCP connections are working though
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15:20.04Phil2say I had 2 users, user1 and user2 and 2 dirs, dir1 and dir2. dir2 is inside dir1. dir1 is chmodded to 0700 and is owned by user1:user1group and dir 2 is chmodded to 0770 and is owned by user1:user2group
15:20.12Phil2is there any way that user2 will be able to access this dir?
15:20.55pumpkin0Phil2: not without the help of user1 or root
15:21.09Phil2I am both user1, user2 and root
15:21.12Phil2what would I need to do?
15:21.29Phil2is there a way permissions can be setup to allow user2 to access that dir?
15:21.54pumpkin0Phil2: make a new group user12group, put both users in it. make dir1 user12group and 770.
15:22.37Phil2o.0
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15:26.22Mooiso nobody has any ideas, at all?:(
15:27.20blondieMooi: maybe your router is playing up?
15:27.53Mooiblondie: oonly on UDP connections? My TCPs work fine, but not UDPs :(
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15:34.12Mooiso anybody got any ideas why each 20 minutes all udp packets are dropped for about minute's time?
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15:36.52DewiMooi: nothing too specific springs to mind, apart from a bad NAT configuration
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15:37.04DewiMooi: or some kind of stateful inspection firewall popping on and off
15:37.15Mooiok :\
15:37.18DewiMooi: I think you'll need to isolate the problem more
15:37.25Mooisomewhere in the /proc, i found that many packets are dropped... some number
15:37.31Mooiso it's likely to be kernel or something?
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15:38.20Dewihmmm
15:38.29DewiI can't really answer that
15:38.33Dewiand anyway, I need to be asleep an hour ago
15:38.34Dewinight all
15:39.07Mooibye Dewi
15:39.29pumpkin0is there a easy way to copy a CD 1:1 on command-line without saving the iso first ?
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15:42.12pumpkin0no f**k, forget it. The CD is unreadable in that drive ...
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15:44.12emsspumpkin0 use cdrdao
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15:44.57Mooi..or wodim, which is the replacement in testing/unstable
15:45.04xinguwhat's the odds, do you think, of there being a semi-blessed way of installing vmware server on debian
15:45.07xinguwell bugger me.
15:45.09xinguvmware-package
15:45.40teledyn_in sid?
15:45.58xinguexperimental, at least
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15:49.45teledyn_i will try to backport it to etch
15:50.49stonedI hate dell
15:51.18Mooigood
15:51.33stonednot because of the products
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15:51.39Zap-Wthe domain field in netgroups have nothing to do with NIS domainname?
15:51.39stonedwell not only because of that
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15:52.57dazjorzHi
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15:53.28dazjorzI'd like to sign a JAR file, but I can't find the tools that are used on several online tutorials in apt
15:53.35deb_noobhello, can anyone here help me edit my fstab?
15:53.40dazjorzI think the tools would be in the Java JDK
15:53.41dvsstoned: I take it you don't work for them anymore
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15:54.05dazjorzIs the JDK in apt somewhere (I saw there was jdk1.1, but it's virtual, "referred by another package") ?
15:54.36deb_noobdoes anyone know how to edit the fstab?
15:54.47stoneddvs, I do and I will keep working as long as it takes
15:54.54dvso_O
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15:54.57stoneddvs, but I cannot sell garbage to people anymore
15:54.58dazjorzdeb_noob, (your favourite editor here, such as nano, vi) /etc/fstab
15:55.01stoneddvs, I can't man
15:55.07blorpetch contains the sun jdk
15:55.10dvsstoned: So what will you do?
15:55.11stonedI'm a moral person dvs
15:55.24dazjorzblorp: I'm using sarge
15:55.27stonedI can't keep peddeling 399$ shit boxes and keep telling them that it will play doom3
15:55.31stoned:(
15:55.41stonedthey want us to sell
15:55.48stonedby any and all means neccessery
15:55.58stoneddude some people hang up on customers here if they are not looking to buy that day
15:56.04dvsstoned: oh?  They push particular models instead of the right box for the right job?
15:56.05stonedits fucking unbelievable here
15:56.09stonedI had no idea this company was like this
15:56.33stonedI thought it was a dream come true for me to work at a fortune 30 company and still not have a degree yet and blah blah
15:56.41dazjorzI thought there was some particular way to install the JDK, using fakeroot etc.
15:56.43dvsheh
15:56.49stonednow I'm like, wow, all they want is money.  They mistreat workers and customers
15:56.56deb_noobdazjorz: does this look about right for an ext3?   /dev/sdb1      /media/Smith    Â ext3    rw,auto,user,defaults   0      0
15:56.57stonedcust. exp. is a joke there, and so is ethics
15:57.01blorpthere is a package maker called java-package
15:57.03dvsstoned: yeah, I thought working for a large company was the best but I learned too.
15:57.16stonedits my first job in the real world
15:57.21Gnurduxstoned, of course... their obligation is to the stockholders, not consumers or workers
15:57.25stonedbefore this i've made plenty of money coding etc.
15:57.30stonedbut only small time
15:57.32dvsGnurdux: yup, I learned that too
15:57.35stonedI AM NOT A SALESPERSON
15:57.43dazjorzdeb_noob, looks right, but what's the ^A (Â) doing there ?
15:57.48dvsGnurdux: and it's the big wigs that are the largest individual stockholders
15:57.53stonedbut I got myself into it
15:57.56stonedno one else is to blame
15:58.03deb_noobthe ^A?
15:58.08stonedim just gonna do what it takes to save up a few grand
15:58.13stonedand then I'll get the fuck outta this state
15:58.19dvsstate?
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15:58.25stonedoklahome
15:58.27deb_noobthe auto?
15:58.35dvsstoned: oh yeah, do that.
15:58.39chuckfromchanhow to i install xserver or w/e i need to run gnome?
15:58.47dazjorzdeb_noob: I see: /dev/sdb1 /media/Smith ^A (Â)  ext3 rw,auto,user,defualts 0 0
15:58.49DarkCowdeb_noob, dazjorz, looks like you're on different charsets
15:58.52stonedapt-get install xorg
15:58.57stoned!install x
15:58.57azeemchuckfromchan: install the desktop task
15:58.57dpkgit has been said that install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg>
15:58.58dazjorzdeb_noob, DarkCow, Yeah, I think so too
15:59.00Gnurduxchuckfromchan, if you do apt-get install gnome, it will install all the dependencies
15:59.03dazjorzdeb_noob: For the rest it's fine :)
15:59.11deb_nooboh you shouldn't see those characters
15:59.13deb_noobat least I don't
15:59.20Gnurduxyou don't need to worry about installing X, apt-get will do it automatically
15:59.26chuckfromchani did apt-get install gnome but it says command not found when i tried startx
15:59.32dazjorzdeb_noob: Anyhow, it's FS MP TYPE OPTIONS DUMP PASS, so that's fine
15:59.34moshiiGnurdux: I don't think ti install a whole x server
15:59.39azeemchuckfromchan: see above
15:59.40Gnurduxchuckfromchan, you probably want gdm anyways
15:59.40stonedchuckfromchan, apt-get install x-window-system-core
15:59.53deb_noobchuckfromchan: apt-get install xserver-xorg
15:59.56moshiiGnurdux: you can run X applications on remote xserver remember
15:59.59azeemGnurdux: gnome doesn't depend on X, FWIW
16:00.06chuckfromchandeb_noob: tried that
16:00.12Gnurduxah
16:00.13stonedchuckfromchan, apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome read-edid (for the monitor) and discover1 (for hw)
16:00.31chuckfromchani'm trying apt-get install x-window-system-core
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16:01.32dazjorzIs it smart for a server in a more or less productive environment, to upgrade to etch now ?
16:01.47stonedmm 18 GB of Family is 83% done with 8 hours left :D
16:01.55moshiidazjorz: Do you really need to?
16:02.02stonedFamily Guy
16:02.06dazjorzmoshii: I need JDK, and it's in Etch
16:02.13stonedis there a remote desktop protocol faster than vnc
16:02.25moshiidazjorz: in production you should be waiting until etch has been out and tested ;)
16:02.25stonedwhich also supports copy paste buffer syncs among host/client
16:02.28blorpdazjorz: if you need 1.5, get the sun jdk and use java-package, if 1.4 is ok, get the blackdown version
16:02.34stonedI should ask that on one line
16:02.42moshiidazjorz: use the java package tools in sarge
16:02.43chuckfromchanwhat's my mouse port if i have one of those little usb mice?
16:02.46stonedIs there a remote desktop protocol faster than vnc, which also supports copy paste buffer syncs among host/client?
16:02.47dazjorzmoshii: And since I upgraded the kernel today too, I suppose it's not bad to make this a whole upgrade, but not if it's not safe
16:03.08dazjorzmoshii: It's not real productive, it's my own server, but some people are using it and I'd like it to keep running as good as possible
16:03.09azeemchuckfromchan: accept the defaults
16:03.12deb_noobdazjorz: i keep getting the error [mntent]: line 8 in /etc/fstab is bad.  What can I do?  Is teh line wrong?
16:03.14chuckfromchanok
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16:03.18azeemchuckfromchan: if things don't work then, we'll help
16:03.25chuckfromchani'm doing this through ssh, will it screw things up?
16:03.29azeemno
16:03.32stonedno
16:03.50moshiidazjorz: I'm running etch on a loaded webserver.. the only worry I think you have is if the upgrade doesn't go cleanly
16:03.57chuckfromchanwhat method should i use for setting up monitor characteristics? medium or advanced?
16:04.09stonedadvanced
16:04.09dazjorzdeb_noob: The line is fine as far as I know - It's just the  I saw that's worrying me - We are using different charsets, but it does mean you have a character there
16:04.27deb_noobwhere?
16:04.28azeemstoned: eh?
16:04.29stonedchuckfromchan, before you do, google your monitor model # for vert/horiz frequencies and other specs
16:04.32dazjorzmoshii: I guess it's safe enough to upgrade then, the machine isn't really completely clean anyway :)
16:04.36moshiistoned: tightvnc
16:04.44dazjorzmoshii: Switching sources.list to etch then
16:04.45deb_noobi don't see where
16:04.47stonedazeem, eh what man dude?
16:04.51stonedme confuse
16:05.00azeemstoned: eh, why do you need to get down to those details in 2007?
16:05.12stonedI have no idea man
16:05.16stonedwhat are you talking about?
16:05.17deb_noobthis line... /dev/sdb1       /media/Smith    ext3    defaults,auto,user   0      0
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16:05.20stonedadvanced config?
16:05.23azeemyes
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16:05.38shafirehello
16:05.38stonedazeem, would you like to bring me upto speed
16:05.38shafirehow to install the german charset for debian?
16:05.50azeemstoned: you pick "medium" and then your desired resolution
16:05.52moshiistoned: I thought that was what edid was for
16:05.55chuckfromchanwhich vnc server should i use? vightvncserver or vncserver?
16:05.58stonedazeem, in most cases read-edid if not present will nto detect
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16:06.09dazjorzmoshii: http://debian-volatile.tiscali.nl etch/volatile/main Packages - 404 Not Found
16:06.10stonedazeem, not in my case
16:06.48azeemstoned: don't extrapolate from your case to everybody else, please
16:06.49moshiichuckfromchan: both can handle normal vnc..
16:06.49stonedazeem, then again in my particular case, the debian xconfig utility is useless tome
16:06.49dazjorzmoshii: There's no volatile for etch ?
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16:06.49deb_noobsweet, it mounted!!
16:06.49stonedazeem, that is what I knew how to do.  Look up correct info on google, then config the monitor.  Back off
16:06.49dazjorzmoshii: I need volatile for clam upgrades to keep antivirus uptodate
16:06.50moshiidazjorz: yep, that'll happen when it's released i suppose
16:06.50deb_noob!ep
16:06.51dpkgPlease stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
16:07.24azeemstoned: it's fine for you, but it's not fine for other, mkay?
16:07.37dazjorzLol - dpkg just used 4 dots and 6 comma's
16:07.38dazjorz!ep
16:07.38dpkgPlease stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
16:07.49azeemas I said, this is 2007, no need to look up horizontal frequencies unless things don't work
16:07.59dazjorz!tell dpkg about ep
16:08.00stonedazeem, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF MY KNOWLEDGE concerning that man.  I can' speak from anyone's experience but mine.  Anyway...
16:08.04shafirehow to install the german charset for debian?
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16:08.08dazjorz[17:07] <dpkg> Isn't that a bit silly?
16:08.10dazjorzheh heh
16:08.17azeemstoned: I was hinting you that you shouldn't comment on X configuration if you don't know
16:08.21dazjorzmoshii: So for now I'll comment out that line ?
16:08.36azeemshafire: dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:08.40stonedazeem, I think it was a perfectly valid solution
16:08.46moshiidazjorz: yeah, I don't know how clamav etc is handled during freeze though
16:08.47deb_noobI'm having trouble deleting a file on my backup drive, when I try to do so, it says...   Could not write to file /media/Smith/.Trash-1000/info/asdf.trashinfo.  any ideas?
16:08.48azeemstoned: yes, you thought
16:08.52azeemstoned: and I told you it wasn't
16:08.56stonedazeem, what is wrong with what I told him.
16:08.59dazjorzmoshii: We'll see
16:09.03stonedhelp me to understand please
16:09.05azeemstoned: please read scrollback
16:09.14azeemthe bit about "2007"
16:09.31dvsdazjorz: server?  Too early for that.
16:09.44dazjorzdvs: ... I just asked and heard it was safe.
16:09.48stonedazeem, ok whatever, you win.  have fun
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16:10.05moshiidvs: his server isn't "production"
16:10.13dvsoh... that's ok then
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16:10.17dazjorz:-)
16:10.21azeemstoned: it wasn't wrong, it was just way too complicated for a new user, for no apparent profit
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16:10.34dazjorzsemi-production, I would say
16:10.35stonedazeem, w/e
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16:10.55moshiidvs: saying that one of my servers has done 400gb of http traffic in 15 days running etch with no issues ;)
16:11.23dvsmoshii: nice!!
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16:11.51tarzeauabrotman: have you got a clue about things like http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/psychelectric.png ?
16:11.58dazjorzMy server had a really nice uptime before I rebooted to boot the new 2.6.18.1 kernel
16:11.59snowbirdmy etch wont boot if i plug  mouse into pci usb card
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16:12.37moshiidazjorz: uptimes rolls over anyhoo so it's a bit of a pointless stat
16:12.42stonedazeem, I really have no idea how X works.  I have to manually construct/modify xorg.conf for two monitors and a tv.  I really don't know X.  I'm sorry I tried to take MY time to help someone else
16:12.46dazjorzmoshii: rolls over ?
16:12.52dvsdazjorz: Yeah, my home server has over 150 days of uptime and it's going to be rebooted once etch is released.
16:12.58dazjorzmoshii: It does say something about the stability though
16:13.12moshiidazjorz: once you get to a big enough number it starts again
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16:13.14zOapcan I mount ordinary ftp with sshfs?
16:13.14azeemstoned: look, I was telling you the appropriate answer to his question
16:13.17dazjorzYeah, I need to reboot my server now and then because the FTP server sometimes just dies
16:13.21azeemstoned: but you insisted that your version was right
16:13.24dazjorzand just restarting it doesn't help, but rebooting does
16:13.25stonedno I did not
16:13.31dazjorzmoshii: Oh, that sucks
16:13.33moshiidazjorz: trie, but I prefer to have something like munin running instead
16:13.34azeem"it works for me, so..."
16:14.15dazjorzmoshii: munin ?
16:14.16dazjorzOh
16:14.16moshiidazjorz: it's a monitoring package like nagios
16:14.21dazjorzhow cool
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16:14.30deb_noobthis distro of kde is beautiful, it has all kinds of little extras I use
16:14.36deb_noobis it modified?
16:14.52moshiideb_noob: yeah, it has a debian wallpaper!
16:15.02deb_noobhah, kubuntu didn't have these options
16:15.27dazjorzI'll get munin as soon as the upgrade to etch is done
16:15.36stonedazeem, I said my version is the only version I know that works for me.
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16:16.12azeemstoned: this is a support channel.  We don't tell people what works for us, but what would best work for them
16:16.15stonedazeem, I can't talk about something I don't know.  I talk about things I know and have done and they worked.  If there is a simpler solution, please bring it on.  Don't be a dick about it though
16:16.21azeemso I told you what would work best for them
16:16.42deb_noobwhere is frenchninja!
16:17.00asgdeb_noob: /msg dpkg seen frenchninja
16:18.40deb_noobI'm having trouble deleting a file on my backup drive, when I try to do so, it says...   Could not write to file /media/Smith/.Trash-1000/info/asdf.trashinfo.  any ideas?
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16:19.17azeemdeb_noob: usually it prints the reason for the error after that message
16:19.18stonedazeem, btw about the 2007 thing you said, did they change something to the medium settings now? How is 2007 significant in what you said concerning xorg config
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16:19.37deb_noobazeem: it is not!
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16:19.48moshiideb_noob: try shift+delete instead unless you think you might need the file back later
16:20.09stonedazeem, I just want to find out why what I said is not a good solution
16:20.17azeemstoned: I calculated modelines with a table calculator 10 years ago, and set horiz/vert freqs manually three years ago.  Today, at least as a first try, just setting the resolution should be all that's needed
16:20.26deb_noobthat worked, thank you, what did that do?
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16:20.55dazjorzdeb_noob: Delete the file without placing it in the trashbin.
16:21.01dazjorzTrashcan*
16:21.04dazjorzOr w/e
16:21.07moshiideb_noob: kde has a recycle bin sort of thing.. it's not deleting because it can't write the trash data
16:21.09deb_noobsweet, why wouldn't it make a trash folder on the drive?
16:21.22moshiidazjorz: this isn't amiga os ;)
16:21.25azeemstoned: ok, to end this discussion, let's say "accept the default" was the right answer to his question, whatever the default was, ok?
16:21.32dazjorzmoshii: What ?
16:21.44chuckfromchanazeem: the default was Advanced
16:21.47stonedazeem, I completely agree.  However if you're peddling that debian is now a little better, thats fine.  Just something I didn't know yet... however my solution is perfectly valid.  Don't be a ... lets kill it man.  Drink a new years beer :)
16:21.49azeemheh.
16:21.56stonedHAH
16:21.58moshiidazjorz: Trashcan is the name for the recycle bin on amiga os
16:22.00chuckfromchanlol
16:22.00stonedin yo' face !
16:22.01stoned:)
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16:22.14dazjorzmoshii: Oh, lol
16:22.17azeemchuckfromchan: are you running stable or testing?
16:22.29chuckfromchanstable
16:22.37dazjorzmoshii: I thought it was named trashcan in old versions of Windows too
16:22.38moshiistoned: you shouldn't need to tell x anything about your monitor now
16:22.47stonedmoshii, thats great news
16:22.47moshiistoned: X asks the monitor!
16:22.48stonedbut I do
16:23.01moshiistoned: do you have a retro monitor?
16:23.05stonedunless your debian utility can configure twinview or dual monitors or a tv or whatever
16:23.06dvsmoshii: really?  Not ever the horiz and vert frequencies?
16:23.07stoned:)
16:23.20chuckfromchanstoned: by the way, I entered through before i saw that you said i should search google for the correct horizontal and vertical frequencies. oops!
16:23.29snowbirddo usb adptor cards work?
16:23.37moshiidvs: that's embedded in the monitor so you don't give it modes it can't display and kill it
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16:23.56stonedchuckfromchan, eitherway, its always good to make sure correct freq. are specified in the config file and not some generic ones what will give you a resolution
16:24.12stonedchuckfromchan, which now sounds like is good so it should pull up correct freq. anyway
16:24.15moshiistoned: but x ignores that
16:24.17dvsmoshii: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would as for the horizontal and vertical frequencies.  It doesn't ask for those anymore?
16:24.33sussudioin our day, we had to tune the vacuumtube manually while getting shocks from the capacitors.
16:24.34moshiidvs: not if you have the right packages installed
16:24.35stonedmoshii, to get the full out of my monitor, yes I need to specify them
16:24.46stonedmoshii, X will NEVER run me 1024x768@115Hz
16:24.48stonedEVER
16:24.49dvsmoshii: nice. ;-)
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16:24.58stonedunless I specify a resolution
16:25.10stonedmy monitor is capable of 115hz refresh rate at that res.
16:25.21stonedI can't make X use it, unless I specify correct freq.
16:25.36stonednow tell me I'm wrong and i'll be like whoah, software improved a whole lot
16:25.39moshiistoned: on the last etch box i installed I can even remember dpkg bringing up the debconf for xorg
16:25.43deb_noobon kde, should I be using kpackage?
16:26.03moshiideb_noob: no,use apt or aptitude
16:26.12azeemor synaptic
16:26.13moshiideb_noob: the graphical ones == pain
16:26.18stonedaptitude pref. since it has much better dependency resolutions
16:26.27deb_noobi like the graphical one
16:26.30moshiistoned: *can't
16:26.52deb_noobwhat is the graphical one for kde?
16:26.59moshiistoned:
16:27.18stonedmoshii, that is fine. I just like to make sure correct frequencies are specified in xorg.conf to make full use of the monitor capabilities
16:27.21moshiistoned: sorry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID
16:27.24deb_noobmoshii: what is the graphical one?
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16:27.29stonedmoshii, I know edid
16:28.05moshiistoned: I think you'll find x ignores your settings and uses the edid data instead
16:28.19moshiistoned: so jamming it into your conf file is moot
16:28.57stonedlet me verify this
16:29.00moshiideb_noob: synaptic, as I think azeem suggested
16:29.03stonedcuz this is fucking ridiculous
16:29.50moshiistoned: I know of dead lcd panels because people have put stuff they don't need in the x config
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16:30.13deb_noobisn't synaptic for gnome?
16:30.29stonedmoshii, so you're telling me that xorg ignore xorg.conf over edid
16:30.35dondelelcaroit uses gtk, but you can use it in kde just as well.
16:30.42jattdeb_noob: no, it runs fine on xfce4 too
16:31.20moshiistoned: I believe that it only parses specified freqs etc if getting edid fails
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16:31.33deb_noobwill it still pop up in system tray when it needs to?
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16:33.30stonedmoshii, that seems not true, but I'm unsure
16:34.00jattdeb_noob: I didn't know synaptics does that. Anyway xfce4 has a system tray applet to show such notifications.
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16:34.35stonedmoshii, without the proper frequencies in my xorg.conf I CANNOT use 115Hz refresh rate.  On windnows I don't have to specify it, it gets read correctly
16:34.46moshiistoned: there are some lines in the log you can check
16:35.15moshiistoned: you should complain to whoever made your monitor
16:35.21stonedI know my nickname is stoned, and I know I'm a pothead, but I'm NOT stupid man
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16:35.56chuckfromchanare you actually "stoned"?
16:35.59stonedmoshii, read above.  It works under windows without having to config it
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16:36.28stonedmoshii, and yes it shows up under supported video modes
16:36.30azeemstoned: maybe there's a driver for Windows which tells it about the available modes
16:36.34moshiistoned: hmm there is a tool to manually check the edid data.. twoticks
16:37.05stonedI will have to do that
16:37.19stoned*sigh* now half my day is about to be wasted...
16:37.37azeemstoned: but then, why do you care about 115Hz?
16:37.40moshiistoned: things are meant to be getting easier with x ;)
16:37.43azeem90Hz should be fine?
16:38.05stonedif it can do it, then why not
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16:38.10stonedit can only be better
16:38.19stonedI've ran 60hz for like years on crappy monitors
16:38.24azeemsure, but my point is: you wouldn't have to waste your afternoon over it
16:38.29stonedIt has caused enough eye strain
16:38.36azeemas the visible benefit will be negligible
16:38.45stonedazeem, you're
16:38.46stonedI hate you
16:38.47stoned:(
16:38.47polishkoopSorry for this dumb question, but is there any good information as to when etch will become stable?
16:38.49azeemof course, 60Hz is not enough
16:38.59stonedyou have a point
16:38.59azeembut everything above 80Hz should be fine
16:39.13moshiipolishkoop: when it's ready, or debian.org
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16:40.59stonedetch graphical install crashed on me 3 times or so while trying to load up the partition tool
16:41.45stonedand its actually kinda very slow on the interface.  I like oldschool text installer.  Thank god it is still there.
16:42.29stonedBTW on the crash I didn't see anything out of the ordinary on output console, so do I make a bug report or what?
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16:42.53stonedwhat should I be looking for, output wise, to report a bug against it crashing?
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16:43.42dvsstoned: your hardware setup to reproduce the problem?
16:44.02stonedno changes have been made
16:44.16dvsstoned: no, but they might have changed the program.
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16:44.38stonedI meant to my HW, no changes made
16:44.40stonedits still the same
16:44.52stonedI love utf
16:45.58dvsstoned: And you're using a newer installer?
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16:48.43dazjorzmany locale errors while upgrading to etch
16:49.05dazjorzsetting locale failed, please check that your locale settings (...) are supported and installed on your system
16:49.09dazjorzi'll dpkg-reconfigure locales asap
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16:50.41undertakerhello people! happy new year =)
16:50.51dazjorzsame to you undertaker :)
16:51.25undertakerdead moroz will give you a present =)
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16:54.11killownanyone know dvdidle program for linux system?
16:54.28dendritekillown: What's that?
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16:55.39deb_noobkmail is giving me this error...   It's not possible to send messages without specifying a sender address.
16:55.39deb_noobPlease set the email address of identity 'Default' in the Identities section of the configuration dialog and then try again.
16:55.46deb_noobdoes anyone know how to fix it?
16:55.59moshiideb_noob: do exactly what it told you
16:56.17killowndendrite, one program that reads all video of dvd and stores in the memory and leaves drive dvd motionless
16:56.48moshiidazjorz: is you're locale not C?
16:57.09dazjorzmoshii: no idea
16:57.32emsskillown mplayer -dumpstream dvd://1
16:57.48dvsdazjorz: echo $LANG
16:58.02moshiidazjorz: if it isn't C.. say en_gb.UTF8 apt pukes lots of errors from perl
16:58.12killownemss but if I want access menu dvd how do it?
16:58.17dazjorzen_US
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16:58.27emsskillown menu dvd?
16:58.28dvsdazjorz: no encoding?
16:58.33moshiidazjorz: that's the problem then
16:58.35dazjorzdvs: apparantly not
16:58.35emsskillown mplayer supports dvd menus
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16:58.48dvsdazjorz: edit /etc/environment
16:58.57moshiidazjorz: if you don't select an encoding the best fit is used IIRC
16:59.15emsskillown man mplayer
16:59.29moshiidazjorz: or just do LANG=C apt-get balh blah
16:59.40emsskillown http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
16:59.50killownemss, thanks
17:00.06moshiidazjorz: you can ignore the error messages though, they just tell you that perl is rolling back to C
17:00.07emsskillown http://mplayerhq.hu/
17:01.15dazjorzLANG=C apt get what blah blah ?
17:01.20snowbirdi cant get sound card to work gezz
17:01.21dazjorzI'll just dpkg-reconfigure locales after intallation
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17:01.39moshiidazjorz: LANG=C apt-get install kiten   for example
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17:01.43dvssnowbird: sorry, we can't hear you.  Your soundcard doesn't work.
17:01.58cahootit sure does
17:02.21snowbirdright dvs
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17:02.30chrisbenis there a cups command to print directly to an ip address without having to have the printer setup first? I used to be able to do this via lpr via lpr -P queue@hostname%515
17:02.30snowbirdcmedia cant be found
17:02.32dvssnowbird: what kernel do you have?
17:02.42snowbirdetch
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17:02.52snowbirdi586
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17:02.59dazjorzLol
17:02.59dvssnowbird: uname -r
17:03.00dazjorzKernel
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17:03.12dazjorzNot debian version or CPU type or w/e
17:03.19snowbirdoops
17:03.21dazjorz"Architecture"
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17:03.41moshiidazjorz: you can have a i686 etc kernel.. there are lots of variables
17:04.01snowbirdkk comand dosent seem to work
17:04.08dvshuh?
17:04.08deb_noobdoes anyone know where the konqueror plugin folder is as to where i should put the flash plugin?
17:04.41snowbirddvd  usermname - r
17:04.53dvssnowbird:  no, uname -r
17:04.53moshiideb_noob: install the normal flash plugin and konq will use the same path as mozilla/firefox
17:05.05deb_noobso use the script?
17:05.10dazjorzmoshii: I know, but he answered "i586" on "what kernel do you have"
17:05.28dazjorzlol
17:05.29dazjorzusername -r
17:05.33dazjorzinstead of uname -r
17:05.33dazjorzrofl
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17:06.04snowbird<PROTECTED>
17:06.11dvsyes, it is
17:06.24snowbirdodd  cause it dont work on my etch
17:06.28dvssnowbird: then what does "uname" say?
17:06.28kspathusermain -r ?
17:06.34snowbirdjoshua
17:06.39kspatherr  usermaim -repeatedly
17:06.46snowbird<PROTECTED>
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17:07.17deb_noobmoshii: /usr/lib/mozilla
17:07.23deb_noob?
17:08.58deb_noobit says please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser
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17:10.07snowbirdLinux 2.6.18-3-486 dvs
17:10.10deb_noobdoes anyone know?
17:10.15snowbirdsorry  idut this morning
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17:10.30dvs!tell snowbird about install alsa
17:10.39snowbirdi ran alsa
17:10.43snowbirdcant find card
17:10.51moshiideb_noob: use the flash non free plugin package
17:11.02moshiisnowbird: is it in lspci>
17:11.08deb_noobmoshii: what is the name of it?
17:11.09snowbirdyeah
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17:11.38dvssnowbird: lspci | grep audio
17:11.48moshiideb_noob: apt-cache search flash plugin
17:12.04tarzeauwhat's the userspace program called to network limit user space apps?
17:12.07moshiisnowbird: sure the card is supported by alsa?
17:12.35abrotmantarzeau: a little
17:12.41snowbirdultimedia audio controller: Wildfire Communications Unknown device 0111 (rev 10)
17:12.50snowbirdgeez i see un known
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17:13.03moshiisnowbird: update-pciids
17:13.21moshiisnowbird: might resolve the unknown
17:13.35snowbirdthat comand?
17:13.54moshiisnowbird: yeah, it'll download the pciid datbase
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17:14.23snowbirdetchsaid comad not found?
17:14.26snowbirdsome  odd
17:14.38moshiisnowbird: as root?
17:14.55snowbirdyeah as  root in  shell
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17:15.40snowbirdgot it
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17:16.04snowbirdno alsaconf
17:16.09snowbirdrun that?
17:16.18deb_noobshoot it didn't install moshii
17:16.26deb_noobi'm trying to use it with konqueror
17:16.27abrotmanupdate-pciids
17:16.34snowbirddone
17:16.35abrotmandoh
17:16.39snowbirdthere  updated
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17:16.55wwallace_lapabrotman: happy new year
17:17.05snowbirdhappy new year folks
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17:17.35snowbirdcalling card unknown  device
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17:18.23snowbirdget new  card i guess this one  aint compatible
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17:18.48snowbirdthnks
17:18.55deb_noobwait it worked
17:19.01EbbsHi! If Im executing ./flac2mp3.pl an error occurs: "/bin/env: bad interpreter: File or directory not found". How can I install /bin/env? What is /bin/env? google didnt help me so much!
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17:19.29abrotmanyou have env more than likely
17:19.40abrotman!find bin/env sarge
17:19.49wwallace_lapabrotman: my frined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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17:19.57wwallace_laphow the hell are you?
17:19.57dpkgeh, ok, wwallace_lap
17:20.02moshiisnowbird: um, I think there is a list you should post the id of that device to
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17:20.12foresthhi
17:20.20Ebbsabrotman, sry I didnt understand!
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17:20.22moshiisnowbird: linux pci or something so that devs know about it
17:20.37Ebbs!find /bin/env sarge
17:20.43dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/env' (3): (/usr/bin/envext) in sound/csound ;; (/usr/bin/env) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/envsubst) in utils/gettext-base.
17:20.48snowbirdi have to kernal showing i 486 and 586 should i remove one?
17:20.51abrotmanEbbs: you should have coreutils
17:21.20Ebbsabrotman, ive got it!
17:21.34abrotmanthen that's not the problem! :)
17:21.47Ebbsabrotman, yes :)
17:21.54dvssnowbird: na, leave it
17:22.14abrotmanEbbs: what's the first line of your script ?
17:22.15snowbirdkk
17:22.15dvssnowbird: I'd get a 686 kernel actually
17:22.26snowbirdwhat?
17:22.37foresthI have a list of packages that I need to remove and I'd like to know if it won't cause breaking of system: bc ftp gdb gnupg python python-newt python2.3 readline-common reportbug sqlite.. I read their description on debian.org and it seems ok, but I'd like to hear it from you gurus.. thanks
17:22.40capiirahi anyone know a way to remove a package that failed on install but is now listed as installed?
17:22.56abrotmanwhat's the error when you try to remove it
17:23.02snowbirduncheck it
17:23.08capiirainstalls cript error
17:23.37Ebbsabrotman, http://pastebin.ca/299336
17:23.43capiiraits a printer driver
17:23.57dvssnowbird: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686
17:24.20capiiraE: hl5130lpr: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
17:24.23moshiisnowbird: what processor do you have?
17:24.26capiirathats the error
17:24.31snowbirdamd 1800
17:24.37abrotmanEbbs: my perl is .. rusty .. why would you use /bin/env perl instead of /usr/bin/perl ?
17:24.56moshiisnowbird: you might want a k7 kernel instead then
17:25.06dvsk7 is OLD
17:25.14snowbirdk7 is  500mhz
17:25.32snowbirdshould i get older pc?
17:25.39Ebbsabrotman, ok thx it works
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17:25.44abrotmanEbbs: okay :)
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17:25.52capiirathat happens when i mark it for complete remove
17:25.55snowbirdshould i get i586?
17:25.58abrotmansee .. i don't even know perl well enough .. and i still fixed it :)
17:25.58capiirano idea ?
17:26.04dvssnowbird: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686
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17:26.16moshiidvs: but cahe older athlons run k8 code
17:26.25Ebbsabrotman, i hope my noob-like questions are not to annoying! :)
17:26.44moshiidvs: k7 is i686+some simd
17:26.49abrotmanEbbs: nah .. i've seen the /bin/env thing .. but i forget why :)
17:27.08dvsmoshii: simd?
17:27.55moshiidvs: single instruction multiple data
17:27.57Ebbsabrotman, :)
17:28.18dvsmoshii: I thought that was for multimedia.
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17:28.58moshiidvs: yeas, and to use AMD's SIMD as in the k6 k7 k8 arches you want to be using a suitable kernel
17:28.59capiirano idea abrotman?
17:29.10xingudvs: hints for microarchitecture that what you're trying to do is vector transforms.
17:29.30abrotmancapiira: sorry .. missed that .. you can put an exit 0 at the top of the removal scripts
17:29.30snowbirddvs got it
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17:29.44znhHello.
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17:29.45xingudvs: "multimedia" in so far as some multimedia applications require trivial transforms
17:29.51capiirawhere can i find them?
17:30.04linuxnewbie756anyone ever got lightscribe to work in ubuntu? or any deb?
17:30.13tarzeaulinuxnewbie756: #ubuntu
17:30.19dvssnowbird: Reboot!
17:30.20HymnToLife!ubuntu | linuxnewbie756
17:30.25znhI'd like to install VMware on Debian Etch but it has problems with the kernel headers. I installed the package linux-kernel-headers, but where are these files located? The default path given by VMware doenst seem to match
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17:30.57abrotmanznh: what file is it looking for ?
17:30.59tarzeauznh: in /usr/src somewhere
17:31.00linuxnewbie756i am asking if it is possible to install lightscribe in a deb based system!
17:31.01HymnToLifeznh, try installing     linux-header-$(uname -r)
17:31.10tarzeauznh: it's not a debian but a vmware or your problem
17:31.12snowbirdwill when done
17:31.13znhHymnToLife: there is no such package for Debian Etch, it seems.
17:31.19abrotmanlinuxnewbie756: great this channel is for "deb based systems' .. it's for Debian
17:31.30HymnToLifeznh, yes thare is
17:31.38tarzeauznh: did you build your own kernel?
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17:31.46HymnToLifejust type           sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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17:31.54linuxnewbie756how can i do that? um, not sure, i installed ubuntu 6.06,
17:31.54snowbirdbrb
17:31.55znhtarzeau: negative. I have a stock kernel, and I'd wish to keep it
17:32.01abrotmanlinuxnewbie756: ask #ubuntu
17:32.03tarzeauznh: but you have testing?
17:32.17tarzeauabrotman: i told him before already
17:32.19znhtarzeau: yes,
17:32.32abrotmantarzeau: third time will be the charm ?
17:32.36linuxnewbie756so, on the lightscribe website, it mentions rpm, i was wondering if i can convert that to deb, alien, how does that work?
17:32.37|eSa||good year!
17:32.42tarzeaulinuxnewbie756: GO AWAY #UBUNTU
17:32.54abrotmanlinuxnewbie756: last chance .. please go to #ubuntu
17:33.07linuxnewbie756last chance...what does that mean?
17:33.17abrotmanit means please go on your own before you're forced
17:33.23dvslinuxnewbie756: the guys in the white coats will come
17:33.30dendritelinuxnewbie756: The problem with us and Ubuntu is that Ubuntu is diffeent enough from Debian that any advice we give here might actually BREAK your system, and we don't want to cause you trouble.
17:33.49linuxnewbie756ok, what is this channel called? debian, is that not talking about .deb? or is debian talking about the os?
17:34.02dvslinuxnewbie756: you have ubuntu, end of story
17:34.10dendritelinuxnewbie756: Yeah, Debian is a Linux distribution, different from Ubuntu.
17:34.11znhhmm in which repo are these linux-kernel-headers-$(uname -r)? I dont seem to have them
17:34.15HymnToLife#debian is taking about Debian
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17:34.28abrotmanznh: linux-headers
17:34.28HymnToLifeit's linux-headers
17:34.33HymnToLifedrop the 'kernel' :)
17:34.43linuxnewbie756no, not end of story, i am asking if it is even safe to convert a rpm to a deb. does it work in debain? if it does, i may switch to debian.
17:34.56znhI'll be damned.
17:34.59znhthanks abrotman
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17:35.26dendritelinuxnewbie756: Installing RPM's from other distributions is tricky and error-prone at best.
17:35.30linuxnewbie756as far as "causing me trouble" i have had to install linux 20 times within the last 2 weeks, im new.
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17:35.40CharminTheMoosejeezus
17:35.42abrotmanlinuxnewbie756: ask #ubuntu .. we don't know if ot's safe for ubuntu
17:35.48CharminTheMoose20 times in 2 weeks?
17:35.56dendritelinuxnewbie756: Well, we also don't want to dilute our energy by supporting every distro out there...
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17:36.16linuxnewbie756well, i know one thing, debian folks sure are interesting folks...
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17:36.18dendritelinuxnewbie756: Maybe you should help us test the new Etch installer!  =)
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17:36.27capiiraabrotman: where can I find the uninstall scripts?
17:36.32dendrite!customer
17:36.32dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
17:36.38dvsheh
17:36.42abrotmancapiira: /var/lib/dpkg/info/
17:36.48capiirathanks a lot
17:36.55dvssnowbird: uname
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17:37.08snowbirdkkdvs
17:37.16adaptrwow, that tarzeau's a mean fscker, isn't he ?
17:37.16capiirai don't leave, :) promised!
17:37.27adaptrisn't he a mean fscker ?
17:37.32adaptryes, he is
17:37.32snowbirddvs call me josh
17:37.42tarzeau!language | adaptr
17:37.50abrotmanadaptr: knock it off
17:37.51dvssnowbird: josh!
17:37.54tarzeauadaptr: FUCK OFF
17:38.17adaptrabrotman: he assumes the right to do the exact same thing in #ubuntu
17:38.18znhc'mon childeren.. you already proved how childish you are.. show us some professional support
17:38.27abrotmanadaptr: please don't troll us
17:38.32HardDisk_WPhi all
17:38.39adaptrabrotman: fine, don't listen
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17:38.47HardDisk_WPanyone here knowing an other Teletext viewer than alevt??
17:38.51abrotmanadaptr: if he's bothering #ubuntu .. tell the ops in #ubuntu .. not us
17:38.54AciDprofessional ? nobody s paid here aren t we?
17:39.07adaptrabrotman: you're right on that score... sorry
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17:40.52snowbirddvs u in usa or can?
17:41.01dvssnowbird: can!
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17:41.13dvssnowbird: but that's was a lucky assumption.
17:41.19snowbirdsweet me to were dvs?
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17:41.36abrotmanThe Red Green Show ?
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17:41.40dvsyup
17:41.58abrotmanduct tape!
17:42.03dvshe's trying to assemble a coffee table right now
17:42.17dvsforever!
17:42.24CHodappIs anyone here on Xorg 7.1.1? I am getting issues with X taking 50% of my CPU when it's been running more than about 24 hours, and after that the usage only grows slowly higher until I restart
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17:42.59snowbirddvs were in can mb?
17:43.14dvssnowbird: Toronto
17:43.18abrotmanCHodapp: i've not seen anyone mention that .. can you isolate it more ?
17:43.19snowbirdsweet
17:43.25snowbirdi am in mb
17:43.33abrotmanCHodapp: as in .. if you try a different video driver etc ..
17:43.39dvssnowbird: Saint John?
17:43.39snowbirddvs after  sound  then  i wireless  this box
17:43.51dvswireless? GOOD LUCK!
17:43.54snowbirdnope like dauphin
17:43.57acudondelelcaro: are you up to a bioinformatics question?
17:44.05snowbirdwireless   shouldn't be bad
17:44.11dvsoh MB, not NB
17:44.16CHodappabrotman: I've just been on open source Radeon, but this never occurred on 7.0 or earlier; I can try a new driver next time I restart X though
17:44.17snowbirdgot ralink chipset
17:44.18abrotmantoo bad pseubodot isn't in there
17:44.43abrotmanCHodapp: if you could isolate an issue with the video driver .. otherwise .. happy BTS hunting
17:44.49snowbirddvs needs a map
17:44.56snowbirddvs fire up google  map
17:45.09snowbirdlook up canada and see were   mb is
17:45.13snowbirdno watttter
17:45.15CHodappabrotman: blah... I've yet to encounter anyone with the same problem, even in #xorg
17:45.17snowbirdnb  watter
17:45.33abrotmanCHodapp: anything special about your setup ?
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17:45.51abrotmanCHodapp: do you have flash installed? :)
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17:46.08CHodappabrotman: yes, running from a chroot when it does run
17:46.35CHodappabrotman: flash used to cause trouble with Beryl/Compiz but those aren't running
17:46.40abrotmanCHodapp: you're on pure64 ?
17:46.44CHodappabrotman: yes
17:46.58abrotmanCHodapp: have you asked #debian-amd64 ?
17:47.08abrotmani doubt it's restricted to pure64 though
17:47.15dondelelcaroacu: ?
17:47.22CHodappI don't know anything about it because I haven't found anyone else with this issue...
17:47.30snowbird00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Wildfire Communications Unknown device 0111 (rev 10)
17:47.37abrotmanCHodapp: and nothing in the BTS at all ?
17:47.40snowbirdthats my sound card should be cmedia
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17:47.54abrotmanupdate-pciids
17:48.00dvsabrotman: he did that
17:48.01CHodappabrotman: I've been searching but had a hard time finding anything
17:48.06snowbirddid stil nothing
17:48.13abrotmanCHodapp: did you check the page for your driver ?
17:48.17dvssnowbird: even after update-pciids it still doesn't know what the chip is?
17:48.24snowbirdyeah
17:48.33snowbirdthink its going to dump
17:48.39abrotmansnowbird: paste the contents of lspci and lspci -n somewhere
17:48.40snowbirdand il find   sb
17:48.41CHodappabrotman: I am right now, it says nothing of it
17:49.07CHodappabrotman: it's a hard issue to search for... what do I use? "idle"? "cpu usage"?
17:49.21dvssnowbird: I know where mb is, I just misread it as nb.
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17:49.26snowbirdkk
17:49.32abrotmanCHodapp: scan them all :)
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17:49.37snowbirdwere can i paste a flood
17:49.42tax0nhi folks
17:49.51dvs!tell snowbird about paste
17:49.56abrotmanCHodapp: tried anything like disabling DRI  ?
17:49.59snowbirdty
17:50.08tax0nI've got a problem with my CD, not sure if it's debian, kde or linux related.
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17:50.28CHodappabrotman: not yet, only disabling Aiglx, but I do have to work on this system too so it's difficult to be killing things constantly
17:50.36tarzeautax0n: what happens?
17:50.43tax0nI can put it in, it automounts when I click on the icon in konqueror but when I want to umount I can't
17:50.50abrotmanCHodapp: bah .. who wants to do work :)
17:50.52tax0nfuser gave me two processes holding on
17:51.00tax0nfamd and konsole mimety
17:51.00tarzeautax0n: kill those processes?
17:51.10CHodappabrotman: university students and photographers, I guess :P
17:51.16tarzeautax0n: that sounds like a software problem, famd and konsole
17:51.21abrotmanCHodapp: drink more beer!
17:51.28abrotman!famd
17:51.28dpkgfrom memory, famd is the File Alteration Monitor, a daemon that will notify you when any of a given list of files changes, or see, apt-cache show fam, or famd can make it more difficult to unmount devices
17:51.30capiiracool helped
17:51.36tarzeautax0n: try fuser -k /cdrom (or wherever) and you'll be able to umount it
17:51.53xinguCHodapp: what does strace -fp think about the state of things when your x server is burning rubber?
17:52.07tarzeauabrotman: we also have many famd leftovers, among other kde cruft on our long running workstations
17:52.18abrotmanfamd is fun!
17:52.20tarzeauartsd, and that outlook clone of gnoome
17:52.26tarzeauare also candidates
17:52.35tax0nthanks tarzeau , abrotman
17:52.43tarzeaugconf2-d is another
17:52.53snowbirdits pasted did it work?
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17:53.16abrotmanCHodapp: is anyhting noticeably slow ?
17:53.24tax0nshould fuser show me all the processes running or one at a time?
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17:53.35tarzeautax0n: all
17:53.36tax0nit's just after I killed famd, I couldn't umount
17:53.40snowbirdgot my paste
17:53.46tarzeautax0n: did you kill as root with -9?
17:53.49snowbirdsome one got sb live card?
17:53.57tax0nI fuser'd again and saw the second process
17:54.05dvssnowbird: not me
17:54.05snowbirddvs
17:54.06tarzeautax0n: kill it already
17:54.08abrotman!dbugs 399877
17:54.09tax0nkilled just as root, not with -9
17:54.11snowbirdshoot kk
17:54.11dpkg#399877:N[xserver-xorg-core] 394318: There is a fix for this.; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:03:34 UTC
17:54.15abrotmanthat's great :)
17:54.16tarzeautax0n: try again with -9
17:54.18tax0nI've done it tarzeau :)
17:54.25tarzeautax0n: works now?
17:54.38dvssnowbird: that's usually the snd_emu10k1 kernel module
17:54.39tax0nit's fixed already, it's just annoying; I mean I don't want to have to do this everytime if there's a fix
17:54.50tarzeautax0n: maybe kde in sid?
17:54.56snowbirdu got it dvs?
17:54.59tarzeautax0n: or you fix it yourself? also check #debian-kde
17:55.02snowbirdi dont know whats rong
17:55.05dvssnowbird: no
17:55.07tarzeautax0n: it doesn't happen without kde :)
17:55.11snowbirdkk
17:55.12tax0nah
17:55.24tarzeauand if you run 2.4 kernel you can use supermount
17:55.29tax0nmaybe I should use fluxbox like I've been thinking of
17:55.33tarzeauworks pretty good for floppy and cdrom
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17:55.40acudondelelcaro: are you still here - I got lost...
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17:55.58abrotmanCHodapp: any suspending going on or anything ?
17:56.06tax0nI'll look at thos other things; cheers for the advice tarzeau
17:56.06snowbirddvs now u should
17:56.09dvssnowbird: don't message me
17:56.12tax0nbye folks
17:56.15snowbirdwell kk
17:56.24snowbirdthat was  wrong window oops
17:56.31dvssnowbird: you're suppose to paste the URL here
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17:57.10HardDisk_WPanyone here knowing an other Teletext viewer than alevt?
17:57.17tarzeauHardDisk_WP: no
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17:57.26tarzeauHardDisk_WP: don't repeat before 8 hours have passed
17:57.30HardDisk_WPok
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17:57.59snowbirddvs got it it in flood channel
17:58.12abrotmanCHodapp: i don't see anything
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17:59.03snowbirdabortman two on -n
17:59.10snowbirdtop one lspci
17:59.12abrotmani see it
17:59.16snowbirdgreat
17:59.29snowbirdtake  dvs nose shove it  into paste
17:59.39snowbirdhe needs to  bee  shoved over there
17:59.49snowbirdhe can see to  well and gets lost
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18:00.03snowbirdhe cant read his country  map
18:00.04dvsnah, I just need to take a break from you
18:00.22snowbirdnah  dvs u watching tv
18:00.29snowbirdthats ok
18:00.46snowbirdthis thing is  worth  giveing up on and getting new hardware
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18:01.01linux_jonesmy hard drive is making funny noises
18:01.42acudondelelcaro: are you around?
18:02.01abrotmansnowbird: my modules.pcimap doesn't match on 13f7
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18:04.57DimmuRHi i'm searching for advice  - which version of debian (stable or oldstable) use for terminal machine with 32MB RAM and 1GB HDD? and what x-window manager would be the best fvwm?
18:05.44abrotmani'd go for sarge probably .. but it'll be slow with X
18:06.11abrotmanDimmuR: what cpu ?
18:06.39DimmuRpentium 100
18:07.02abrotmansarge with a 2.4 i guess
18:07.03snowbirdkk
18:07.12snowbirdwhat i doo?
18:07.28DimmuRabrotman, and fvwm would be good or something lighther?
18:07.49Mark_IronHappy New Year ;o)
18:07.52abrotmanyou'll have to look at a few probably .. xwinman.org .. i used to use blackbox on a 486
18:07.59abrotmanDimmuR: you can't get more RAM? (yay EDO!!)
18:08.25HymnToLifeDimmuR, I'm running Fluxbox without much problems on 16 MiB of RAM :)
18:08.29DimmuRabrotman, maybye it's possible there are few machines i want to run as terminals
18:08.36kuzmich_DimmuR, what video card?
18:08.41HymnToLife(in Potato :p)
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18:09.20abrotmanDimmuR: i have a 486 with 36MB in my closet running sarge with X and a 2.6 kernel .. it's pretty slow though
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18:09.35snowbirdabortman now what?
18:09.52abrotmansnowbird: AFAICT .. that card isn't know by linux
18:09.58acudondelelcaro: I have to do a evolutionary analysis of protein centrin - I am going to do, both an clustalx aligment and a phylogenetic tree using jalview. among the species I would like to look at is any marsupial - I found the genome was published at ensembl. I used the human protein to blast the marsupial one - but I need some help in interpreting the results
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18:10.01DimmuRabrotman, it's some svga with 1MB RAM (afair s3trio)
18:10.08mc__abrotman: you arent running Xorg on it are you?
18:10.10abrotmaneww .. s3 .. have fun :)
18:10.10snowbirdkk  abortman i swamp it out
18:10.17snowbirdasap to sound blaster
18:10.18abrotmanmc__: xfree .. that's what's in sarge
18:10.27snowbirdthanks alot my  dumb mistake
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18:10.34mc__abrotman: why not use Kdrive?
18:10.40abrotmansnowbird: in my 2.6.18 that's in etch .. i don't see the card as being supported
18:10.44abrotmanmc__: why?
18:10.59mc__abrotman: much smaller memory footprint
18:11.32abrotmanmc__: trust me .. even without X running it's slow :)
18:11.40abrotmanit's a DX2/66
18:11.57mc__omg
18:12.16mc__i'd rather run 1.0 on that machine ^^
18:12.37abrotmanCHodapp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367179
18:12.40tarzeauabrotman: damn, do you play bloboats?
18:13.09abrotmantarzeau: what about that diagram ?
18:13.17abrotmanmc__: it was my first PC .. still runs ..
18:13.24dondelelcaroacu: ah, ok. what are the results of the blast?
18:13.42tarzeauabrotman: it's the vga lamp, i showed you the other day, gnu.ethz.ch/vgalamp/
18:13.45dondelelcaroacu: you're comparing the nucleotides from one of the human exons to the marsupial, right?
18:13.48abrotmantarzeau: okay .. and ?
18:14.16abrotmanyou can't mix humans with marsupials .. the results will be disastrous!
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18:14.29tarzeauabrotman: do you have an idea how to produce voltage betwen 0 and 1, which goes up and down slowly, say within 1-10 seconds?
18:14.45acudondelelcaro: well  - I would like to compare the proteins first then the DNA (and to look at exon intron boundaries - but this might be too much)
18:15.02blondiethis is #genetics now? :P
18:15.06acudondelelcaro: how can I paste the results?
18:15.11abrotmantarzeau: no .. but i'm sure it's possible ..
18:15.15abrotmanblondie: and #electronics :)
18:15.18dondelelcaroacu: you can use channels.debian.net/paste
18:15.28abrotmantarzeau: you'd need a programmable voltage regulator i'd think
18:15.37dondelelcaroacu: yeah; but first you have to find the protein right?
18:15.49tarzeauabrotman: and i'd have to program it myself i guess using some counter
18:15.58unsuchtcan anyone tell me what a pidfile it?
18:16.03abrotmantarzeau: i'm sure they sell them
18:16.04unsucht`is?
18:16.06tarzeauabrotman: i think there are ready made oscillators, i'd just need a slow one
18:16.07dondelelcarounsucht: it's a file that contains a pid
18:16.09blondieunsucht: a file that stores a pid
18:16.12abrotmanunsucht: a file that holds a pid
18:16.14dondelelcaro!pid
18:16.27schmeunsucht: it's a file with a pid stored in it
18:16.32abrotmantarzeau: or that .. i suppose
18:16.39unsuchtwhat is a pid?
18:16.42acudondelelcaro: yes - I use the known human proteins (actually they are 3 (centrin1, centrin2, and centrin3) and blast them against Monodelphis_domestica (opossum which is a marsupial)
18:16.43blondieprocess id
18:16.46dondelelcarodpkg: pid is <reply> pid, or Process ID is an ID of a process. That's what ps; displays.
18:16.47dpkgdondelelcaro: okay
18:17.06abrotmanCHodapp: looks like a few "my X runs slow" filed against xserver-xorg ... bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg
18:17.29unsuchthow do i know what a service's pid file is located?
18:17.42dondelelcaroacu: right, but you're blasting the nucleotide corresponding to an exon of one of the centrins unless you've gone through and gotten all of the open reading frames
18:17.52dazjorzErr
18:18.02dazjorzI have my own mailserver running on my server
18:18.03dondelelcarounsucht: depends on the service. The default location is /var/run/fooprocess.pid or similar.
18:18.10dazjorzbut when I want to apt-get remove postfix and friends (-mysql, -tls, etc)
18:18.14dazjorzapt-get wants to install exim4
18:18.19dazjorzI don't want neither exim nor postfix
18:18.29dondelelcarodazjorz: you need to have some sort of MTA.
18:18.30blondiedazjorz: so you want them then?
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18:18.45dondelelcarodazjorz: if you don't want to receive mail on that machine, install nullmailer or esmtp or similar.
18:18.51dazjorzdondelelcaro, I have my own mailserver!
18:18.51chablehi
18:18.57dondelelcarodazjorz: so?
18:18.58dazjorzdondelelcaro, And I want to use that one, not exim4 or postfix
18:19.03blondieeh
18:19.05acudondelelcaro: so I got some results which each of this blasts - take the coresponding marsupial protein sequence and align it against human, monkey, rat and mouse ------ I have blasted it with the protein sequence against peptides from the marsupial
18:19.13chablehow do i install gnome 2 on debian sarge ?
18:19.17blondiedazjorz: how will your mailserver work without an MTA?
18:19.18chableanyone can give a hint
18:19.19dondelelcaroacu: ah, ok.
18:19.29tarzeauchable: you don't
18:19.32chableuhm
18:19.34tarzeauchable: upgrae to testing
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18:19.42dondelelcarochable: you upgrade to testing or wait for etch to be release.
18:19.43tarzeauchable: err wait, just apt-get install gnome?
18:19.49dazjorzblondie: exim and postfix listen on the SMTP port, maybe the POP port etcetera, right ?
18:19.52chabletarzeau, i want gnome 2
18:19.56tarzeaudoesn't sarge have gnome 2 already?
18:19.58chablegnome 1 is grotesque
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18:20.02chablenope
18:20.14chablewhen is the etch releasing ?
18:20.17abrotmantarzeau: yes
18:20.18tarzeau!wir
18:20.19dpkgwir is probably When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
18:20.20HymnToLifechable, from source,or upgrade to Etch
18:20.24blondiedazjorz: your mailserver won't work without exim/postfix/some other smtp program running, so why are saying you don't want them?
18:20.28abrotman!info gnome-panel sarge
18:20.31dpkggnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB
18:20.32chableim too lame to build it from scratch
18:20.33dondelelcarooh wait; sarge has gnome 2.8
18:20.35dazjorzblondie: Why wouldn't it work ?
18:20.43tarzeauchable: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/
18:20.45dazjorzblondie: MTA is a mail server
18:20.47blondiedazjorz: erm, mailservers need smtp
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18:20.51dazjorzblondie: Yes
18:20.55chablecheckin
18:20.57dazjorzblondie: My mailserver listens on SMTP
18:21.02blondieso you can't remove your smtp programs and expect the mailserver to work.
18:21.02HymnToLifechable, then use the second option :)
18:21.02tarzeauchable: you just want a very new gnome. try #ubuntu or etch, sid
18:21.09dazjorzblondie: I have a mailserver, as in, program
18:21.13chablei want a decent gnome
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18:21.16acudondelelcaro: the second part will be DNA with exon intron boundaries (which is  a bit scary for me) - but now the question is the results give me a P - what should I use the cut - second how do I know that centrin protein found in marsupial is going beyond the sequnce I used to blast with?
18:21.19tarzeauchable: at least at our place they are not to lame to build the crap themselves
18:21.20abrotmanchable: sarge has 2.8.3
18:21.21snowbirdwhat card recomend old sb 16
18:21.23chablea gnome that makes me feel good :)
18:21.27dazjorzblondie: A program that listens on SMTP, handles incoming mail, sends mail, etcetera, a mailserver.
18:21.28blondiedazjorz: you mean you have something instead of exim/postfix?
18:21.31tarzeauchable: we just give them the diskspace, and they build it. same with KDE
18:21.32dazjorzblndie: YES
18:21.35aculet me try for paste!
18:21.39dazjorzblondie: My own mailserver, not exim/postfix
18:21.44acupaste!
18:21.46blondiewell you didn't say that
18:21.46dazjorzblondie: My own MTA, ok
18:21.51tarzeaui eat gnomes for breakfast in nethack
18:21.51dazjorzblondie: I did
18:21.51chableabrotman, i want 2.6 i guess
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18:21.55dondelelcarodazjorz: which MTA is that?
18:21.59blondiea mailserver usually means a machine that handles mail.
18:22.02dazjorzblondie: I said I have my own mailserver installed, not exim / postfix
18:22.03chablethe gnome that ubuntu 6.10 has it
18:22.05abrotmanchable: gnome is 2.8.3 in sarge .. kernel can be 2.6.8
18:22.06dazjorzdondelelcaro, One that I wrote myself.
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18:22.12dazjorzdondelelcaro, mserv, for the record.
18:22.17blondiedazjorz: mailserver tends to mean the hardware :P
18:22.19abrotmanchable: that doesn't help me .. i have no idea what version they use
18:22.24abrotmanchable: try installing etch
18:22.25snowbirdabrotman  is that why it dont see mu usb pc  caard
18:22.30chableits 2.16 erm
18:22.33abrotmansnowbird: eh ?
18:22.35chablethats the gnome i want
18:22.38dondelelcarodazjorz: in any event if you've got your own which supplies /usr/lib/sendmail (which it better) then use equivs to create a mail-transport-agent package, and be done with it.
18:22.39dazjorzblondie: But when I say "I have a mailserver installed and I don't want exim or postfix", that means mailserver as a program, doesn't it ?
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18:22.44abrotmanchable: then you'll have to use Ubuntu
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18:22.47dazjorzblondie: I can't install a computer in a server as a program
18:22.48chableabrotman, etch is stable ?
18:22.51abrotmanno
18:22.57blondiedazjorz: no it doesn't
18:22.59chablenot sexy :(
18:23.03eilkeranyone using ssl, at his web site ?
18:23.08abrotmanand etch only has Gnome 2.14
18:23.13chable:(
18:23.16abrotmaneilker: ask your real question
18:23.17dazjorzdondelelcaro, It just listens on SMTP and handles mail, and is able to send mail to other hosts. That's enough MTA for me
18:23.20chableand i really like that gnome
18:23.20dazjorzblondie: Ok, sorry then, MTA.
18:23.32dondelelcarodazjorz: well, it's not enough MTA for an actual system
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18:23.45dazjorzdondelelcaro, Fine, then my server isn't an actual system, it's enough for me
18:23.50blondiedazjorz: you need something that emulates sendmail
18:23.51MatBoyis it already a good idea to move to "the new" testing now Etch is frozen ?
18:23.55dondelelcarodazjorz: if that's what you've got, install nullmailer and have it connect to localhost port 25.
18:23.56blondiedazjorz: it's not enough for your machine though
18:24.02chableso
18:24.05dazjorzdondelelcaro, Okay
18:24.11chablecan i get gnome 2.16 for sarge ?
18:24.18dazjorzWait
18:24.23dazjorznullmailer doesn't listen on a port ?
18:24.24chablei mean like source tarball or so and install it myself ?
18:24.29dondelelcarodazjorz: and you should eventually getting around to writing /usr/lib/sendmail for your mailserver, because it's kind of useless without it.
18:24.32dondelelcarodazjorz: no.
18:24.36eilkerabrotman: i have a project, a cafe (there will be online shooping) , i have no idea , how to configure it under debian/php, may be someone gives me some clue...
18:24.36snowbirdi know were  old pcs are  got to grab sond blaster  out of one
18:24.37dazjorzKk
18:24.37blondiechable: you could if you wanted to.
18:24.37abrotmanchable: you could .. but we won't help you with it
18:24.45dazjorzdondelelcaro, Okay, I will
18:24.47blondieyeah, #gnome would have to help :P
18:24.52dondelelcarodazjorz: nullmailer and esmtp are only used to get mail off of machines, which is all the dependency on mail-transport-agent is for.
18:25.00chableabrotman u are being a bad person now :))
18:25.06abrotmaneilker: so you want to know how to setup ssl ?
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18:25.19eilkerabrotman: yes pls.
18:25.23abrotmanchable: no .. #gnome is for people who want to compile gnome from source .. #debian is for people that use debian :)
18:25.33dondelelcaro!self signed ssl
18:25.36abrotmaneilker: they have tons of docs at httpd.apache.org
18:25.36chablei want to use debian :)))
18:25.39dazjorzdondelelcaro, Yeah, I don't really receive a lot of mail, but my mailserver just forwards all mail @dazjorz.com to my gmail address for now.
18:25.42h3sp4wnchable: Remembers its 103 packages or so
18:25.47abrotmanapache2-ssl-certificate
18:25.48blondiechable: and debian packages.
18:25.51chableh3sp4wn, yes i know
18:25.53dondelelcaro!self signed ssl key
18:25.54dpkgopenssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key  -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt;
18:25.57tarzeauchable: you can try sid
18:26.05chablesid from ice age ?
18:26.11tarzeauchable: it has the latest software, not sure about gnome, since i don't like gnome
18:26.18chablewhat u use ?
18:26.19chablekde ?
18:26.19tarzeauchable: sid is very new, it has the latest brutalchess
18:26.20abrotmantarzeau: please  don't do that
18:26.21blondietarzeau: tut tut tut
18:26.25tarzeauchable: no i use wmaker/gnustep
18:26.31chabletarzeau, u have .iso for sid ?
18:26.31tarzeaublondie: :) sorry i couldn't resist
18:26.32dondelelcarodazjorz: you could do that just as easily with the extant mailservers like exim or postfix...
18:26.37eilkerthank you
18:26.39tarzeauchable: no iso exists for sid
18:26.40abrotmanchable: please don't use sid
18:26.41tarzeau!sid faq
18:26.41dpkgmethinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
18:26.52chablelol :)
18:26.57dazjorzdondelelcaro, I know.
18:27.00tarzeaui believe human beings must get hurt to learn
18:27.03abrotmanchable: tarzeau enjoys creating problems for people .. please don't use sid
18:27.06dazjorzdondelelcaro, So ?
18:27.11acudondelelcaro: do you have krdc? or tightvnc viewer? I can let you see my screen
18:27.14azeemtarzeau: believe it elsewhere
18:27.24chablehaha :)
18:27.31chablei have no problems with that :)
18:27.33h3sp4wnwww.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html (most of it looks to be in sid/experimental)
18:27.34chablei have fun
18:27.43tarzeauchable: then try sid :)
18:27.46abrotmanand h3sp4wn isn't helping!
18:27.48abrotmantarzeau: STOP
18:27.49tarzeauchable: really i want to see you get hurt
18:27.52acuI do not know how to paste
18:27.53chableahah
18:27.58chablegetting hurt by what ?
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18:28.01dondelelcaroacu: just visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
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18:28.13azeemtarzeau: you've been silenced 10 minutes for trying to hurt users
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18:28.30chablelol
18:28.31abrotmanchable: do not use sid .. it's meant for developers and people that are capable of fixing severely broken debian systems ..
18:28.35chablehe wont hurt me
18:28.40chablei see
18:28.44chableim not a coder
18:28.56chablei just got tired of Bill gay
18:29.01blondie!gay
18:29.01dpkgIt's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
18:29.08abrotmanit's not even sunday ...
18:29.13chablegates even
18:29.20chableand his winblows
18:29.25chablethat sucks more than i do
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18:29.37abrotmanchable: if you want a newer gnome than what debian offers .. try a distro that has it
18:29.49chablei tried ubuntu
18:29.56eilkeretch doesnt have kde ?
18:29.59chablebut i feel like its not complete yet
18:30.04blondieeilker: no
18:30.07HymnToLifeeilker, yes it does
18:30.20eilkeryes or no :)
18:30.23abrotmanit does
18:30.25chableanyone can let tarzeau talk
18:30.26blondieeilker: no
18:30.29HymnToLifeyou can get a CD1 of Etch with KDE instead of GNOME
18:30.29chablehe was just kidding
18:30.33abrotmanchable: no .. he wasn't
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18:30.37chablelol
18:30.40chablehes a devil
18:30.41chable:))
18:30.42HymnToLifeor apt-get install kde if you have installed with a GNOME cd
18:30.55abrotmanchable: you can use etch .. or use another distro
18:31.08blondieeilker: you asked a negative question which is why I said "no"... etch does have KDE
18:31.14eilkeri see, i am downloading first 3 cd at the moment...
18:31.18chableabrotman i think i will wait until etch is released
18:31.23chableand use ubuntu till then
18:31.28azeemchable: you can install etch today
18:31.31blondieyou could use etch now
18:31.33azeemthere will be not a big difference
18:31.33abrotmanchable: the version of gnome in etch won't change between now and then
18:31.38chable:(
18:31.42azeemchable: unless you run servers on the internet
18:31.43chablenow im sad
18:31.45eilkerblondie: :P sorry i am not native english speaker
18:31.50chablei dont run servers .
18:31.51blondiechable: what's wrong with gnome 2.14 instead of 2.16?
18:31.54acudondelelcaro: I pasted the result at -  http://channels.debian.net/paste/4973
18:31.55chableblondie,
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18:32.00blondieyes
18:32.00chable2.16 is gorgeous
18:32.01chable:P
18:32.07HymnToLifeazeem, I know people who run Sid webservers :p
18:32.15azeemHymnToLife: that's off topic here
18:32.17abrotmanacu: you missed a letter
18:32.27azeemchable: etch will have 2.14 and some bits of 2.16
18:32.30blondieazeem: how is that off topic?
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18:32.37chablei want to run that osx theme on it
18:32.40chableits fabulous
18:32.44blondieyuck
18:32.47azeemblondie: uhm, this channel is about Debian support
18:32.47acudondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4973.
18:32.48chablelol
18:32.51azeemunstable is not supported
18:32.52azeemqed
18:33.05snowbirdthis room rocks etch is sweet as heck
18:33.06chableblondie, just icon theme
18:33.25chablecan u imagine a very beautiful and stable desktop
18:33.27unsuchtdo i have to create a pidfile for a service if I am writing a startup script for it?
18:33.34chableand get rid of that microsoft shite
18:33.36blondiechable: you not u.
18:33.37azeemunsucht: not necessarily
18:33.38abrotmanunsucht: you don't *have* to
18:33.47blondiemy desktop is fine with gnome 2.14
18:33.51chableblondie english is not my native language
18:34.06chablei learn it from tv
18:34.06blondieand my laptop is fine with blackbox
18:34.07blondiechable: they say "u" on tv?
18:34.09abrotmanthey spell 'you' as 'u' on tv ?
18:34.11chablei hear U
18:34.13chableon tv
18:34.13azeemblondie: Prince does
18:34.14chable:)
18:34.16unsuchtbut i do if my script referes to one, correct?
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18:34.23blondieI can't believe you don't know how to spell "you".
18:34.30chableof course i know lol
18:34.38chablebut u have to be more indulgent
18:34.43blondie"you"
18:34.44dondelelcaroacu: ah, cool... so you now have at least two possible protiens to check out. As far as figuring out what the protein is going after it, there are a few programs to take a sequence of DNA and guess exons for it, and also calculate the transcription stop sequences
18:34.46chableas long as im trying to speak your language
18:34.52azeemchable: "ur"
18:34.53chableu
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18:35.03azeemeh.
18:35.17dendritechable: If you can't be bothered to form complete sentences, why should we think you are worth talking to?
18:35.20azeemchable: please try to behave
18:35.41azeempeople in here are doing free support
18:36.07snowbirdno free support
18:36.15snowbirdu get ty  when its done
18:36.25stoneddna?
18:36.31snowbirdand  see smile on them  for  a   pay check
18:36.32blondiesnowbird: do yo mind?
18:36.33stonedRadioactive Debian Dna
18:36.37snowbirdmore to life than money
18:36.38stoneddun dun dun!
18:37.27dondelelcaroacu: percival is the one that I used when I was doing it a while ago; I don't know if there's something better now
18:37.28snowbirdheck no
18:37.35acuso you think I should get only the first and second hit (one is on chromosome 3 and one in X) - the E values are screwed I guess -so I should forget about the third
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18:37.46azeemacu: huh?
18:37.55blondieazeem: offtopic I think!
18:38.05blondie:P
18:38.07acuazeem: this is bioinformatics
18:38.11dondelelcaroacu: well, you could look at the third one, but I'd definetly start with the first two.
18:38.20dondelelcaroyeah, we're off topic... ;-)
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18:38.31azeemacu: ah, please prepend with a nick then
18:38.40azeemthe context wasn't entirely easy to figure out
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18:39.05dondelelcaroazeem: you mean other people were talking about chromosomes and expect scores from BLAST? ;-)
18:39.05acuazeem: I will do that
18:39.18azeem19:25 < stoned> dna?
18:39.24azeemI thought it was in reply to that or something
18:39.33dondelelcaroazeem: yeah, they got dragged into the conversation. ;-)
18:39.35stonedazeem, I dunno I was being a tool
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18:40.01snowbirdoff to celebrate ny day
18:40.06stonedyou know like Spider man theme song, "radio active spiderman" or something , I just said radio active debian dna
18:40.12snowbirdhave god ny day thanks for helping me
18:40.26stonedI can forsee it, 300 years from now there will be open source cloning projects
18:40.28stonedlol
18:40.43dondelelcaroit'll come far faster than that, actually...
18:40.44blondieor we'll be extinct
18:40.53blondiebut yes, cloning would be sooner
18:40.54dondelelcaroindeed, cloning is something that is done every day in the plant world
18:40.56cp2where can i find the avm drivers for the 2.6.17-2-686 kernel ?
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18:41.12dondelelcaroget yourself some rooting hormone and clone some plants yourself! ;-)
18:41.23stoneddondelelcaro, I mean the general meaning asociated with cloning in the general media
18:41.27acudondelelcaro: percival is commercial - I did not find it through google - is any debian repository (I would be too good)
18:41.49tarzeausome plants are illegal :(
18:42.00wasthey folks, i can do a dpkg --get-selections then dpkg --set-selections on another machine with just a base install to replicate all the installed software, but is there a way to do this such that aptitude knows what was automatically installed?
18:42.03stonedI mean asexual breeding is pretty much cloning in a sense, two exact same copies of a parent cell
18:42.07stonedetc. etc. OT
18:42.29dondelelcaroacu: http://genes.mit.edu/GENSCAN.html <-- this one is web based; I don't know about one in Debian, unfortunatly
18:42.39tarzeaustoned: aren't slugs asexual?
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18:43.12dondelelcarotarzeau: depends on what type of slug; many are hermaphroditic
18:43.13stonedI have no idea
18:43.19unsuchtwhy would it say command not found when i try and start my costimized script?
18:43.29dondelelcarounsucht: because that script is not in your path
18:43.31tarzeaudondelelcaro: and seahorses
18:43.45azeemor a command inside the script is not in the path
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18:43.53linux_joneshow do i switch back to gdm from xdm?
18:44.05tarzeaulinux_jones: install gdm, remove xdm
18:44.06dondelelcarolinux_jones: install gdm and remove xdm.
18:44.07azeemlinux_jones: install the former, deinstall the latter
18:44.09stonedlinux_jones, I would say simply remove xdm
18:44.12unsuchtsp PATH = script, or location of executable file?
18:44.20azeemunsucht: both
18:44.30nnachtHi, how can I access a protected Access Point with iwconfig?
18:44.34linux_jonesthey are both already installed i just need to switch back to gdm
18:44.34azeemunsucht: is your script executable?
18:44.36tarzeaustoned: that won't get him gdm, will it?
18:44.40unsuchtyes
18:44.44blondielinux_jones: remove xdm then
18:44.46azeemnnacht: protected how?
18:44.47dondelelcarotarzeau: they're actually not, but males become pregnant.
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18:45.05unsuchtright now i have PATH set to the executable script, what must i do now?
18:45.13azeemunsucht: why?
18:45.13nnachtazeem, I mean I want connect to a AP, provied I know the key, with iwconfig
18:45.14blondielinux_jones: or maybe dpkg-reconfigure gdm and it might ask you
18:45.14stonedtarzeau, I guess his question was ambigious for me.  I figured he had gdm installed and install xdm on top of it
18:45.24azeemnnacht: what kind of key? WAP? WPA?
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18:45.30azeemeh, WEP*
18:45.34chableheh
18:45.34tarzeaudondelelcaro: are you familiar with the human body and its reactions as well?
18:45.42nnachtazeem: a wep key
18:45.43unsucht`i mean the executable fiel
18:45.45unsuchtfile
18:45.50azeemnnacht: iwconfig does that
18:45.58dondelelcarotarzeau: reasonably; I'm not a physician, though.
18:46.02azeemnnacht: it might be easier to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces, though
18:46.13chablealso azeem , verstehen sie deutsch ?
18:46.20acudondelelcaro: thahnks - one more question - last time I told you I want to escape from EndNote - and you are using BibTex and Lynx? - It would be so fantastic if you could record a video screen section you can use Istanbul which is in Debian  (3-4 minutes ) and then drop it into some server - it will save me and others a lot of neurons and ATP usage
18:46.21blondie"I'm not a real doctor, I'm a mad scientist"
18:46.22azeemchable: this is an english channel
18:46.28chable:)
18:46.30chableok
18:46.31mc__!de
18:46.31dpkgit has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
18:46.31chablesorry
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18:47.10chableim not a german speaking user i`ve just learned about /whois
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18:47.19dondelelcaroacu: sure... it'll take me a while to get around to it though... but I can give an example
18:47.19stonedI dunno man, as an american type when I see the word deutsch I heard a weird sounding doosh in my head...
18:47.22tarzeaudondelelcaro: does that mean you know how the human body reacts on different occassions, say fear, hunger, cold?
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18:47.33stonedI know its proabably not pronounced like that, but its pretty funny
18:47.51nnachtazeem: I tried several times, but it somehow does not work with iwconfig. I mean with graphical tools it works
18:48.06azeemnnacht: does iwconfig without arguments list the key?
18:48.23unsuchtwhat must is set the PATH variable to when writing a boot script, the execuatable file, or the location of the script?
18:48.25dondelelcarotarzeau: heh. nope; I thought you were talking about biochemical reactions, not physiological ones
18:48.26azeemnnacht: you need to configure IPv4 after iwconfig as well
18:48.38nnachtazeem, it tried to turn off encryption, it works
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18:48.54Alzi2Hi.
18:48.57nnachtazeem, what do you mean with configure ipv4?
18:49.07blondieifconfig presumably
18:49.12stoneddondelelcaro, sounds like you took a lot of biochem classes
18:49.13Alzi2I installed debian. First off, my X resolution is very low, and it's using vesa..
18:49.21dazjorzapt-get fails to remove postfix :/
18:49.23blondie!drxx
18:49.23dpkgmethinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
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18:49.24acudondelelcaro: at least if you can show 1) how to search pubmed and pull the publications in database - then while you write your paper how do you insert the citation in the text and how you built the bibliography - it will be so helpful
18:49.27Alzi2I have an ATI Radeon 9200. What to do?
18:49.29stoneddondelelcaro, medicine/bio never made sense to me
18:49.32azeemnnacht: get an IP/gateway
18:49.34dondelelcaroacu: sure
18:49.36nnachtazeem, i used dhclient
18:49.39azeemfine
18:49.39blondieAlzi2: do the above, choose ati for the video driver I think
18:49.40dazjorzgives loads of messages about packages depending on exim4 | mail-transfer-agent
18:49.54dondelelcaroacu: it'll be a bit wierd, though, because I use a whole set of custom scripts to do things
18:49.56dazjorzerr
18:49.57dazjorztransport-agent
18:50.07dazjorzpackage postfix which provides mail-transport-agent is to be removed
18:50.07Alzi2blondie: Then it gives some errors saying opengl is not supported or something
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18:50.16nnachtazeem, i mean, when should I set the key? before connecting to the ap or after?
18:50.20azeemdazjorz: you can't remove postfix without installing another MTA
18:50.20dazjorzand: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm: line 29: /etc/init.d/postfix: Permission denied
18:50.28dazjorzazeem: I have my own MTA installed
18:50.30azeemnnacht: what do you mean with "connect"?
18:50.33dazjorzazeem: Trying to install nullmailer for that
18:50.36azeemnnacht: before you run dhclient
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18:50.48acudondelelcaro: I see
18:50.56azeemdazjorz: are you using the nullmailer debian package?
18:51.04dondelelcaroacu: but I can show the core of how to do things
18:51.04harkp
18:51.05dazjorzazeem: Yes
18:51.09dazjorzazeem: Trying to install it, that is
18:51.20azeemdazjorz: then install nullmailer in the same command when you remove postfix
18:51.26azeemapt-get install nullmailer postfix-
18:51.39dazjorz:o
18:51.41dazjorzpostfix- ?
18:51.59acudondelelcaro: yes that will be excelent - at least the very basic steps - I understand that OpenOffice is working also in some project like this - but it did not reach the public
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18:52.03dazjorzazeem: Btw, I am doing that
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18:52.14dazjorzThe following packages will be REMOVED: postfix
18:52.26dazjorzThe following NEW packages will be installed: nullmailer
18:52.36dazjorzThen it gives these messages
18:52.51dazjorzmailx depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent; however: (..)   Package postfix which provides mail-transport-agent is to be removed.
18:53.02azeemis that a warning or an error?
18:53.02dondelelcarodazjorz: that's ignored.
18:53.03dazjorzRemoving postfix ...
18:53.03dazjorz/var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm: line 29: /etc/init.d/postfix: Permission denied
18:53.07dondelelcarodazjorz: please don't paste here.
18:53.12nnachtazeem: so bevor I use dhclient, I should run 'iwconfig wlan0 key <my key>', right?
18:53.18azeemnnacht: yes
18:53.21dazjorzdondelelcaro, I wanted to paste 1 line, came out as 2. Sorry
18:53.29nnachtok, let me try. see you later
18:53.44azeemdazjorz: please paste actual error messages (not warnings) to a pastebin
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18:54.07dazjorzand /etc/init.d/postfix has -rw-r--r-- 1 root root (...)
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18:54.15Thmshow to make my USB headphone the only device used?
18:54.43Ebbshi! if im mounting an audio cd, an error occurs: http://pastebin.ca/299472
18:54.51azeemdazjorz: that look wrong
18:55.03dazjorzazeem: why does it ?
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18:55.12dazjorzazeem: I'll paste the apt-get output to the pastebin
18:55.17Ebbsdoes anybody know a solution for this?
18:55.20azeemdazjorz: because init scripts are expected to get executed
18:55.25azeemdazjorz: no need
18:55.30bizhow can i use midnight command from the command line, e.g. for moving a big file to see ETA and stuff?
18:55.32dazjorzazeem: Oh, ofc
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18:55.44dazjorzazeem: I did -x because I don't want postfix to run.
18:55.52dazjorzazeem: Also because I have my own MTA.
18:55.54azeembiz: are you sure one can?
18:56.05ofer0dpkg -S `which ftp`
18:56.05dpkgThere is no record of a `which ftp` package
18:56.07azeemdazjorz: so you broke the postrm
18:56.12azeemeh, prerm
18:56.12ofer0can someone please paste the output for this one ?
18:56.16dazjorzazeem: I did +x, let's see if it works now
18:56.17azeemdazjorz: why do you have your own MTA?
18:56.26dazjorzazeem: I wrote it myself
18:56.32azeemuh-huh
18:56.36dazjorzazeem: It's part of mserv, and I want to use that.
18:56.42azeemwhy do you use nullmailer then?
18:56.51dazjorzStopping mail transport agent: Postfix. - Works!
18:56.58Thmshow to make my USB headphone the only device used? I use gnome
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18:57.16dazjorzazeem: Because my mailserver doesn't provide /usr/lib/sendmail yet
18:57.24dazjorzazeem: And I don't want postfix or exim installed
18:57.26azeemdazjorz: then it's not a mailserver, IMO
18:57.33bizazeem: i've never used mc but i've seen the file copy and file move dialog thats shows a neat bar with speed and eta, so is there a way to do eg. mc -e mv old new, opeing this neat dialog and closing it when its done? :-)
18:57.34azeemanyway, your problem
18:57.42dazjorzazeem: When I apt-get remove postfix, it installs exim, and I want neither postfix nor exim
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18:57.48azeembiz: I don't think so, but check the documentation
18:57.58azeemdazjorz: you told us
18:58.01dazjorzazeem: Using nullmailer seems to work though.
18:58.03dazjorzazeem: I know.
18:58.14dazjorzazeem: Better to tell too much than too few.
18:58.42bizazeem: well do you perhaps know of a similar tool? i know there are patches against the fileutils to show speed and eta..
18:59.29Thmshow to make my USB headphone the only device used? I use gnome
18:59.32chableok
18:59.34chablebye all
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19:01.42Thmshow to make my USB headphone the only device used? I use gnome
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19:02.30ericPweak. apt is screwed up by iceweasel and totem-mozilla fighting over /usr/lib/firefox
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19:03.00SupaplexThms: check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for messages related to device detection.  What's lsusb say for the one line that's for that device?
19:03.03ericPi want to apt-listbugs to see how to fix the prob, but i haven't installed apt-listbugs, and can't until i fix apt.
19:03.12ericPin summary: weak
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19:04.01ThmsSupaplex: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 047f:c001 Plantronics, Inc.
19:04.08abrotman!tell ericP about overwrite
19:04.20SupaplexericP: have multiple computers or install apt-listbugs BEFORE you foobar apt
19:04.56SupaplexThms: 2.6 kernel?
19:05.02ericPSupaplex, yeah, i suppose i should backup before crashing my disk, huh?
19:05.11ThmsSupaplex: yes
19:05.15abrotmanericP: bugs.debian.org is useful too
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19:05.19SupaplexericP: exactly
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19:05.34Supaplexabrotman: watch him whine about iceweseal now
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19:05.59userekhi, i have installed eclipse on my debian testing but it works very slow, much slower then it should. Anyone hvae any experiences with that?
19:07.38ThmsHow to make my USB sound headphone to the default device used ?
19:08.33SupaplexThms: did you review /var/log/syslog for any helpful logs about the device? (pastebin them if you'd like)
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19:08.58ThmsSupaplex: I just want ti set it to the defaults actually that's my soundcard
19:09.01ThmsI use gnome
19:09.12Alzi2Hey, Everyone. I just installed Debian and the X resolution is really low.... i have an ATI Radeon 9200 video card, and the driver's set to VESA because the ati driver gives errors. Anyone?
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19:09.40ericPabrotman, tx. $(apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install) did the trick (though may have been more blunt than forcing just iceweasel, which i tried and failed once)
19:09.53ThmsSupaplex: how can I do ?
19:09.53abrotmanenjoy
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19:10.01Sanita42Hi, I'm not going blackhat chat here, but I was curious if someone could explain to me how Denial of Service attacks work?
19:10.09SupaplexThms: so it's working? you want to change the priority or load order of sound drivers?
19:10.10abrotmanAlzi2: you sohuld be using the ati driver .. waht's the error ?
19:10.16Thmsyes Supaplex
19:10.52Alzi2abrotman: Hold on.
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19:11.46SupaplexThms: gnome has nothing to do with that issue.  I don't recall how to change the load order of specific drivers.  udev might be one way. blacklisting the other sound devices (if you don't use them) is another.
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19:12.22Thmsyes SubStack  how to blacklist ?
19:12.36Supaplex!tell Thms -about blacklist
19:13.59dvsGood.  yellowsnowball is gone
19:14.37Alzi2abrotman: Let me paste it in your PM
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19:14.43sorkhi
19:14.49abrotman!paster
19:14.49dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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19:14.55abrotmanAlzi2: ^^
19:15.02Alzi2abrotman: I have no way to use the pastebin as of nowp
19:15.14abrotmanAlzi2: /j #flood
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19:17.31rokfitpeople my computer keeps shutting down randomly and I think i have the wrong kernel.  I'm on a dual core and it's running the 484 or 485 kernel, can someone help me upgrade it?
19:17.46dvsrokfit: 486 should be fine
19:17.46abrotmanAlzi2: did you hand edit the config file ?
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19:17.58abrotmanrokfit: which version of debian ?
19:18.02rokfitetch
19:18.12abrotmanrokfit: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686
19:18.56rokfitabrotman: and how can i upgrade my nvidia kernel?
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19:19.10abrotmani don't know anything about nvidia binary stuff
19:19.15abrotman!nvidia one-liner
19:19.15dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on  unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>  If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.
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19:19.49rokfitwell let me try this and should i use synaptic to upgrade the nvidia?
19:20.01JB[away]have anyone the problem that clamav not work on etch sometimes?
19:20.37abrotmanwtf was that ?
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19:21.05wiredddwtf was what?
19:21.47abrotmanthat guy was in the middle of pasting stuff in #flood .. and just quit
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19:22.06wiredddhmm, maybe his system is just really messed up
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19:22.16abrotmanhe just can't get X working
19:22.39m322I dont understand why my usb ports support only low speed transfer. does this have to do something with the mainboard? because it's not that old
19:22.56dvsm322: do you have the ehcd driver loaded
19:23.15m322dvs yes sure
19:23.18moshiiDoes anyone else have the problem that you run wine and it does.. nothing, brings up the "I'm starting" dialog and stops. I'm on unstable.
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19:24.01dvsm322: well, if you have a low speed USB device plugged into the same channel as a high speed one, both devices will go to low speed
19:24.03wiredddmoshii, I have some pieces of software that do that in wine, I don't think they are supported properly
19:24.04abrotmanit's freaking wine ..
19:24.31wiredddwine is a crapshoot at best
19:24.32moshiiwireddd: this is even with the wincfg util
19:24.36rokfitabrotman: temporary failure resolving 'ftp.debian.org'
19:24.44abrotmanrokfit: try again
19:24.50rokfiti did, same problem
19:24.54rokfiti tried 3 times
19:25.20moshiiwireddd: before windows for applications were opening but there was only random crap inside them
19:25.27rokfitany ideas
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19:25.30abrotmanrokfit: try another mirror
19:25.55rokfitdo i have to add it to repos?
19:26.23abrotmanyou can
19:26.23abrotman!mirrors
19:26.23dpkgmethinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>
19:26.23rokfitcan you tell me what repo to add where?
19:26.35m322dvs what does that mean into the same channel? i have 4 ports
19:27.05rokfitplease abrotman
19:27.11dvsm322: Those 4 ports are "paired" up?
19:27.29bizrokfit: run apt-setup
19:27.32m322dvs im sorry. what means paired up?
19:27.50rokfitbiz: and do what?
19:27.51dvsm322: There are two ports one on top of another?
19:28.02dvsm322: and there are two of them?
19:28.08tarzeaudondelelcaro: isn't it biochemical, if a human sees a danger, and then the body says, stop everything "DANGER". like you don't have to visit any convenience room at that time, and adrenalin is put free in the body?
19:28.08abrotmanbiz: he doesn't have that
19:28.12m322dvs there are two ports down, and two ports very up
19:28.33abrotmanrokfit: where it says ftp.debian.org .. change it to ftp.us.debian.org
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19:28.56rokfitabrotman: where is that file?
19:29.03abrotman/etc/apt/sources.list
19:29.03rokfitsources.list
19:29.04dvsm322: Yes, so if a high speed and a low speed USB device are both plugged into the "up" port or the "down" ports, both devices will go to low speed
19:29.07abrotmanrokfit: or use apt-spy
19:29.14dondelelcarotarzeau: parts of it are, but what exactly leads to the release of adrenalin isn't.
19:29.38rokfithow do i use apt spy
19:29.39tarzeaudondelelcaro: where the "adrenaline" is, what it is and who produces it?
19:29.56tarzeaudondelelcaro: but it lasts several hours, isn't it?
19:29.58m322dvs but I tried plugging in only the highspeed device and unplugging all the others and it's still going at low speed
19:30.11rokfitabrotman: how can i use apt-spy
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19:30.28dvsm322: oh ok.  It's not that then.
19:30.32abrotmanrokfit: i've never used it ...
19:30.36abrotmanrokfit: where it says ftp.debian.org .. change it to ftp.us.debian.org
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19:33.17itchiI want to make some wmdockapps, like mwcpuload, saw there pywmdocapps, i like Python, so i have try to install it, to make some missing dockapss, about duo core features for example. But once i install the pywmdockapps-1.16 like it's told, it simply looks like it's not installed. Someone experiences with it or with making new wmdockapps?
19:34.00itchiThe pywmdockapps is not yet packaged for Debian at this stage to, so all the stuff come of the net. If everythin come good, i gona package it too
19:34.15dooglusdebian is only using 2 of the 3 speakers on this laptop.  how might I persude it to use the 'woofer' as well as the left and right speakers?
19:34.24dooglusit's an asus w1j if that helps
19:34.56rokfitit keeps saying couldn't find image package
19:35.00dvsitchi: did you escape from AB yet?
19:35.18rokfitabrotman: i changed it like you said, and the same error reported
19:35.27itchidvs: What's AB? ABC??
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19:35.33dvsitchi: alberta.
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19:35.42itchidvs: No
19:35.43abrotmanrokfit: does your internet work at all ?
19:35.47dvs!pity itchi
19:35.48dpkgI pity da fool itchi!
19:35.57itchidvs: Did i somethings wrong?
19:35.59rokfityes
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19:36.22itchidvs: I want to make some perso dockapps for on my lovely fluxbox :-)
19:37.09rokfittemporary failure resolving 'ftp.debian.org' E: unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apte-get update or try with --fix-missing?
19:37.11rokfitis what it says
19:37.18rokfitand i try both and it reports the same error
19:37.23rokfitdid it install the kernel?
19:38.02itchidvs: Or make you illussion to that geek xpm stuff?
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19:38.27dvsitchi: I use KDE.
19:38.36dvsitchi: I know nothing about fluxbox
19:38.48itchidvs: Saw that code stuff, it gona go be are crazy to draw the stuff i have saw, but let's try :-
19:38.55itchidvs: baa, kde
19:39.05itchidvs: Wait, gona make you a screenshot
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19:39.10dvsok
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19:41.02itchidvs: That's my actual one http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/screenshot.jpg
19:41.10rokfitokay i'm in kpackage, which kernel do i want to install?  the 686 says PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 but i have an amd!
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19:41.51itchidvs: And take also a look to http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/fluxbox1.jpg  up to fluxbox6.jpg
19:41.54dvsitchi: still downloading...
19:42.02rokfitanyone?
19:42.10dvsrokfit: 686 is fine for amd
19:42.15jsnI run pbbuttons, but I haven't figured out how to send the machine to sleep (laptop). Anyone can tell me, or perhaps tell me the doc to read?
19:42.18rokfitdo i want 686-smp
19:42.20itchidvs: Yeah, sorry, i'm reach my ISP limit, these have skrew the speed down
19:42.25rokfitdvs?
19:42.33dvsitchi: on the first day of the year?
19:42.43itchidvs: It reset to 0 tomorrow, so speed gona come back
19:42.46dvsrokfit: 686-smp is better. ;-)
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19:42.57itchidvs: It goma back on my birthday :-)
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19:43.09dvsitchi: woohoo!
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19:43.18jsnmachine to sleep?
19:43.29itchidvs: Have an 10 GB download and 2 GB upload month limit :-(
19:43.33rokfiterror, the following packages cannot be authenticated
19:43.42dvsitchi: that sucks!
19:44.10itchidvs: Yeah! But no other way at this stage here, but i need to tell that my speed fly to 10Mbps
19:44.14rokfitanyone?
19:44.27dvsitchi: nice tux render
19:44.33itchidvs: :-p
19:44.50itchidvs: It's the right hand that you put on your hearth! :-)
19:44.50abrotmandvs: in etch/sid .. they're all SMP
19:45.04dvsabrotman: oh yeah, I forgot
19:45.05dvsthanks
19:45.07itchidvs: So, put tux on your hearth! :-)
19:45.42dvsitchi: fluxbox looks so plain
19:45.48abrotman!tell Justinl about root
19:45.50jsnI'd really love to know how to put this laptop to sleep.
19:46.14NaufraGohow do I set up a Bootsplash theme?
19:46.44NaufraGoin debian..
19:46.51itchidvs: aaaa, so cool, man, you need to bind the keys, so that you can contol it completely with your keyboard too. Default that suck a bit and you need to spend 30 mins to config it. But it's realy easy to do; run  'fluxkeys', it's an little gui
19:47.05rokfitk control>>appearance
19:47.21dvsitchi: I guess ratcheting your speed down isn't so bad.  Some ISPs up here charge $8.00/GB when you go over.
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19:47.54EdLinNaufraGo: Debian does not have a bootsplash by default.
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19:47.59itchidvs: Also, with fluxbox, you keep many space over your screen, with your keyboard, you can easy maximalize, minimalize, iconify, set window in fullscreen, tab to other windows and so, open the main menu ...
19:48.04Rubinif i just want to extract the contents of a .deb to look at them in a temp direcotry, how would i do that?
19:48.13NaufraGoEdLin, can I set up one by myself?
19:48.39abrotmanRubin: ar x
19:48.50jsnRubin: Well, you can use mc to just look at it. Might be easier in the long run.
19:48.51EdLinNaufraGo: it's possible to have one, it's probably too complex to explain over IRC. Google is your friend (or get "Linux Desktop Hacks" from O'Reilly.
19:49.03NaufraGoalright
19:49.06jattRubin: dpkg -x package directory
19:49.08rokfit!nvidida
19:49.11rokfit!nvidia
19:49.12dpkgrumour has it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about <nvidia-installer>. Instead, see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> for instructions, or<nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before.
19:49.19itchidvs: 1 euro for 1 euro for 1 GB down, 1 euro for 200MB up here, just looked, have already boost it 20% up my abo
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19:49.26itchidvs: oeps
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19:49.37jsnapm -s puts it to sleep?
19:49.38itchidvs: clear?
19:49.43jsn2.6.15
19:49.48Rubinthanks
19:49.53deb_noobis the intel 686 kernel okay for amd stuff?
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19:50.00dvsitchi: that's 4 times cheaper than here.
19:50.12itchidvs: I dunno
19:50.19IIvensWhat's the command to download and install (apt-get I guess) the latest PHP version?
19:50.37EdLin!dotdeb
19:50.37dpkg[dotdeb] for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>
19:50.49itchidvs: I pay here for 2 comps (like we should need to pay for each comp); 47 euro
19:50.51abrotmandon't use dotdeb :)
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19:51.10EdLinhmmm... I didn't know of dotdeb's obsolesense. Sorry. :-)
19:51.39dvsitchi: they tried to make us pay per computer here but many people are tech savvy enough to hook up a network to the ISP
19:51.54IIvensIsn't there a command just like 'apt-get php' then the latest version will be installed?
19:51.57itchidvs: shuuut ;-)
19:52.20itchidvs: Who have only 2 comps at home? ;-)
19:52.21Aim_HereWon't apt-get install php be better?
19:52.26EdLinIIvens: you have to add a repository to /etc/apt/sources.list
19:52.33dvsitchi: exactly.
19:52.52dvsitchi: they finally gave in and are now selling modems with wireless connections.
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19:53.13Aim_HereIt'll be 'apt-get install php5' or 'apt-get install php4' you need. 'apt-cache search foo' is your friend
19:53.22itchidvs: It's just that limit that suck to many, like i have a webserver running too
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19:53.33IIvensAim_Here ok
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19:53.49dvsitchi: some ISPs here don't allow servers
19:54.01dvsmmost
19:54.12itchidvs: Hehe, just wanted to talk about the same to, these not like it too here
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19:54.27dvsheh
19:54.28EdLinbbiab - caffeine
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19:54.54itchidvs: But what's Internet? What about sharing, i not care about her bad spirit, i do nothing wrong, but she do
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19:55.17deb_noobsweet, hopefully this fixes it!
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19:55.27deb_noobwould a bad kernel cause shutdowns like that?
19:55.38linux_user400354i don't have a router. i have two nics on my desktop. how can i share the internet to the laptop with the second nic?
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19:56.14vulturelinux_user400354: IP Masquerading. Assuming you've only got one IP from your ISP.
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19:56.30vulturelinux_user400354: You could do it with something like shorewall, or the ipmasq package, or the IP Masquerading HOWTO
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19:57.36abrotman!ipmasq
19:57.36dpkgIf all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html
19:57.39dendritelinux_user400354: The software tool would be iptables, and you'd need a "crossover cable" to directly connect two NIC's.
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19:58.03linux_user400354dendrite: i have both of those
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19:58.40dendritelinux_user400354: Then it's just a matter of reading a bit of documentation to set up iptables to do masquerading.
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19:59.08itchidvs: In 3 hours, the speed is fixed :-)
19:59.20dvsitchi: automatically?
19:59.26itchidvs: Yeah
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19:59.53itchidvs: Usually it's near 00:40, have experience with IPS
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20:00.11dvsIPS?
20:00.37itchi!isp
20:00.37dpkgmethinks isp is (Internet Service Provider) An ISP provides Internet access to people or corporations. ISPs generally have pools of modems awaiting dial-up connections. Smaller ISPs buy bandwidth from larger ISPs. There are two basic ways of connecting: one is to get a PPP or Slip account; the other is to get a UNIX shell account.
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20:01.47ThePubidk how long it's been since ISPs offered slip or even shell accounts :)
20:02.09ThePub"awhile" comes to mind though.
20:02.09dendriteThePub: Shell is still available.
20:02.23ThePubnot in my area.
20:02.33dendriteThePub: Speakeasy, Bluehost...
20:02.56itchiI feel i gona sent my santa clause mail to my isp, with asking for cadeau; 'I want more to download and upload!'
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20:03.57deb_noobif the computer shuts down again, what else could be causing it besides the kernel?
20:04.09abrotmanThePub: last time i saw slip was about 10 years ago
20:04.29ThePubdendrite: there's a diff between connecting to a shell account directly with an ISP and using a PPP over broadband to connect to a unix host.
20:04.29ThePubabrotman: same here.
20:04.33dvsdeb_noob: hardware
20:04.41deb_noobdvs: and nothing else?
20:04.53dvsdeb_noob: that's the only thing I can think of
20:04.54deb_noobno i remember reading to use the 686 kernel with this processor
20:04.57abrotmanThePub: but it was a Uni
20:05.03dendriteThePub: Ah, in that case, it's been a while.
20:05.08deb_noobi'm going to go ahead an uninstall those other kernels
20:05.11itchideb_noob: Get you some messages about it in the logs?
20:05.16Ebbs_If im mounting an audio cd, an error occurs: http://pastebin.ca/299472! Does anybody know a solution?
20:05.20deb_noobitchi: which log?
20:05.28ThePubdendrite: "shell accass" over dialup.. last time I did that was 1989 at 2400baud, hehe
20:05.29abrotmanyou don't mount audio CDs
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20:05.51Ebbs_yes a cdrom device and an audio cd within
20:06.09itchideb_noob: Look in /var/log/ And checkout, maybe most, if you not know what give the trouble, maybe find you somethings happen in one of the logs that give you a hint??
20:06.12dendriteThePub: Yeah, and X, Y, and Z modem...
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20:06.25deb_noobitchi: do i only need one kernel?
20:06.31deb_noobcan i uninstall the others?
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20:06.51Ebbs_abrotman, I think its copy-protected!
20:06.53dendritedeb_noob: There are advantages to having old kernels laying around...
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20:07.00itchideb_noob: Yeah, or leave it at this stage to see what's happend??
20:07.27deb_noobokay
20:07.27itchideb_noob: And just select the one you want to try in the grub menu
20:07.39abrotmanEbbs_: you don't mount audio CDs
20:07.50deb_noobthere are tons of files in var/log
20:07.54deb_noobwhich should i look for
20:08.03itchideb_noob: Yeah, hope it ;-)
20:08.12Ebbs_abrotman, yes, it is a cdrom device and an audio cd within
20:08.13deb_noobwell about ten
20:08.15deb_noobor twenty
20:08.21deb_noobwhich should I look for?
20:08.22abrotmanEbbs_: you do not mount audio CDs
20:08.33Ebbs_abrotman, or, do you mean sth other
20:08.40Ebbs_?
20:08.51Ebbs_abrotman, and why not?
20:08.54abrotmanEbbs_: does the CD play ?
20:08.59Ebbs_no
20:09.09abrotmanhow did you try to play  it ?
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20:09.15deb_noobbrb guys
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20:09.26itchideb_noob: I dunno what's happend, but maybe first dmesg, messages, syslog ??
20:09.33itchioeps
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20:09.55Ebbs_abrotman, if theres no device to take access to the content, there is no way to play the music, isnt it?
20:10.10abrotmanEbbs_: how did you try to play it ?
20:10.18itchiMy isp suck to many grrr, some time irssi glitch with my slow connection :-/
20:10.21abrotmani'll ask the questions .. you give answers :)
20:10.26IIvensI tried to add a repository to /etc/apt/sources.list according to dotdeb.org, but looks like all the fonts aren't responding... any other idea?
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20:11.04EdLinIIvens: 1) dpkg said to use backports.org 2) fonts? wtf?
20:11.09pumpkin0IIvens: fonts are talking to you ?
20:11.21IIvensfonts, I meant sources
20:11.23Ebbs_abrotman, how i should try it! with amarok youve to specify the source, as with every other player, too
20:11.40abrotmanEbbs_: okay .. but you still don't mount it
20:11.47EdLinIIvens: if you don't know how to use apt, you shouldn't use backports.
20:11.50Ebbs_??
20:11.56abrotmanEbbs_: stick the CD in .. tell the player where the device is .. and it gets it from the drive
20:11.59pumpkin0IIvens: get some working links. Or post the whole sources.list into a pastebin
20:12.09IIvensEdLin ok
20:12.25EdLin(or dotdeb or other 3rd party repositories)
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20:12.31abrotmanEbbs_: are you sure it's /dev/scd0 ? use dmesg to check
20:12.33Ebbs_abrotman, but the drive is not mounted, and you only can mount it with a cd within??
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20:13.26abrotmanEbbs_: you do not mount audio CDs
20:13.26Ebbs_abrotman, yes im sure
20:13.26NaufraGoI'm pentium4, kernel 2.6 shoulde be better for me?
20:13.27itchidvs: fluxbox already installed?
20:13.27abrotmanEbbs_: dmesg | grep -i CD
20:13.27NaufraGoshould
20:13.27pumpkin0NaufraGo: 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 will work
20:13.32dvsitchi: what I suppose to install it?
20:13.40pumpkin0NaufraGo: optimal is 2.6 - 686. 386 will do too.
20:13.50abrotmanEbbs_: or try /dev/cdrom
20:13.52itchidvs: Do first  apt-cache search fluxbox; and install the few packages about it
20:14.05jwickardI remounted a folder on the file system with --bind    (i.e.   mount --bind /home/user/somedir  /home/user2/somedir), I can't however figure out how to "unmount" this bound directory.
20:14.08dvsitchi: I'm happy with KDE.
20:14.37Ebbs_abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/299600
20:14.52abrotmanEbbs_: that's all you get ?
20:14.56itchidvs: Use you gdm or kdm? Just logout, and on the login screen you can select in the session menu the 'fluxbox' and log in. Just try fluxbox, you gona see it's kinde nice and more benefit as kde
20:15.04Ebbs_yes
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20:15.12Ebbs_abrotman, yes
20:15.21abrotmanEbbs_: Ebbs_ paste all of dmesg if you can
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20:16.01itchidvs: You need then to tweak it bind the keys with that gui tool, so that you quickly can manipilute the whole stuff with your keyboard, it's kinda easy to do with the 'fluxkeys' gui app
20:16.24NaufraGoI read 2 guides about bootsplash and they talk me about installing kernel.. I already have a 2.4 kernela nd all that, is it necessary install kernel again as they say?
20:16.32Ebbs_abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/299604
20:16.42Ebbs_abrotman, thats all ive got
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20:17.05dvsitchi: nah, I'll just stick with kde
20:17.11abrotmanEbbs_: your computer is mad :)
20:17.15abrotmanEbbs_: ls -l /dev/cdrom
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20:17.20grindkingwill evdev work with button mapping on a ps2 mouse the same way as it would with usb?
20:17.45Ebbs_lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-01-01 19:36 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
20:17.54itchidvs: ow, you should give it a try, serious, fluxbox is usefull to for on old computers with less mem and so, it's mostly the default wm too on live cd tools
20:17.56pumpkin0NaufraGo: bootsplash tends to corrupt the wohle kernel (suspend will stop to work) and make the boot-process a bit more complex. You sure you want eyecandy ?
20:18.17nn-mainwhat command will allow you to pass a stdin streem through the network
20:18.24abrotmanEbbs_: and when you use something like 'cdcd' .. it can't play anything (and make double dog sure the cd isn't mounted)
20:18.29dvsitchi: I have a 2.0GHz Pentium 4 so it's pretty fast.
20:18.30abrotmannn-main: netcat
20:18.38nn-mainthanks
20:18.45abrotmanor nc
20:19.03Ebbs_abrotman, cdcd?
20:19.08abrotmanit's a CLI player
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20:20.31itchidvs: My laptop (the fastest), have a duo core 1,6GHz with 1GB ram :-)
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20:20.40ofer0itchi, nice.. HP ?
20:20.46abrotmanEbbs_: also .. `grep -i CD /var/log/syslog`
20:20.50itchidvs: 2MB cache, eacht! :-)
20:20.56abrotmanJan  1 09:37:09 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
20:20.58abrotmani get stuff like that
20:21.03itchiofer0: Toshiba Sattelite A110-178
20:21.16itchiofer0: Without the typo's :-)
20:21.22dvsitchi: that must be fast enough for KDE.  Come over to the dark side! ;-)
20:21.27ofer0itchi, sweet. what's the size of the monitor ?
20:21.28abrotmandon't do it!
20:21.33itchidvs: Yeah, but fluxbox rules! :-)
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20:21.42Ebbs_abrotman, thanks but i must go now!
20:21.46abrotmanokay
20:21.51Ebbs_thx
20:22.15itchiofer0: eeuhm, 15,4" if i'm right, it's 16:10 1280x800 reso
20:22.46IIvensGermany link was online. Thanks, EdLin
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20:23.51setog3how to set to a non root user the ability to install package for the system with apt ?
20:24.39itchiStill a beast thist laptop, it's unbelievely 2 times faster in Debian as with that XP :-)
20:24.46NaufraGopumpkin0 so yousuggst me not to use bootsplash themes?
20:25.07dvssetog3: only install?  not uninstall?
20:25.31pumpkin0NaufraGo: yes. avoid bootsplash if possible.
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20:26.11itchiofer0: If you want there's an article on tuxmobile and linux on laptop, of my laptop
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20:27.17NaufraGoalright
20:27.20ofer0itchi, I would really want to review it. Do you have a specific link or heading that I can search for ?
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20:27.46itchiofer0: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118
20:27.58setog3dvs: .. uninstall too .. upgrade too ..
20:28.00uglywhy would my USB 2.0 thumb drive be recognized as only "full speed" when I'm using the usb_storage driver?
20:28.21itchiofer0: Or on tuxmobile and linux on laptop, Toshiba Satellite A110-178, but that point to my article :-)
20:28.21dvssetog3: you can use sudo to allow that user to execute that one program.
20:28.51ofer0itchi, thank you
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20:29.22itchiofer0: ;-)  (If you plan to buy an laptop, this laptp rules with debian! ;-))
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20:29.46pumpkin0ugly: if you have both usb-modules loaded: it will be high-speed.
20:30.01ofer0itchi, thank you but I already own a laptop
20:31.17itchiofer0: ;-)
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20:31.46janttsu:D i like Krush's quit message
20:31.48eitanHello all.
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20:32.46eitanhello?
20:32.57ofer0eitan, hey
20:33.06eitangreetings and happy new year
20:33.16ofer0eitan, happy new year
20:33.20eitanI'm back and needing more help
20:33.42ofer0Well then, please ask your question
20:33.47eitanSuper!
20:33.57eitanI'm having trouble getting printing to work.
20:34.06ofer0Do you use CUPS ?
20:34.13eitanI think so.
20:34.18ofer0do you use Xprint ?
20:34.23eitanI don't think so.
20:34.29ofer0good. don't use it
20:34.36SerajewelKSis there a "debian way" to set up svnserve?
20:34.38ofer0did you add a printer ?
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20:34.42eitanYes.
20:34.55ofer0SerajewelKS, I don't know, but svnserve is not the best way to use svn. use svn+ssh
20:35.29SerajewelKSofer0: i'm not giving people bash on my box :)
20:35.37ofer0eitan, using the browser ?
20:35.45eitanyes
20:35.46ofer0SerajewelKS, use WebDAV
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20:35.51eitanbrowser?
20:36.10ofer0eitan, I mean, did you do it using the web service or using some other way ?
20:36.20eitanweb service?
20:36.21SerajewelKSofer0: what's wrong with svnserve
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20:37.01ofer0SerajewelKS, it has no documentation and a huge lack of options
20:37.07eitanofer0: Don't know what you mean.
20:37.28ofer0eitan, okay. how exactly did you add the printer and what happens when you try to print ?
20:37.44eitanFirst I went to the hp website.
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20:37.51elvirolohi all
20:38.19eitan... hold on...
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20:38.39itchiofer0: I update the stuff a bit to on the page
20:39.19NaufraGouhf.. I really would like to use kernel 2.6 (I'm 2.4) but I don't trust if it would work 100% as it does know.. I've installed 2.6 several times. when I do that, I always have device problems and other ones. any suggestion?
20:39.23elviroloi'm trying to install a new ttf font on my debian sid system, so i copied the file into /usr/share/fonts/truetype, and it does appear in OOo and GIMP, but it just looks like plain arial (or whatever)... the funny thing is that if shows up fine in kfontview
20:39.25eitanok I'm back.
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20:39.36sinizzlkeke
20:39.44SerajewelKSofer0: i may go the mod_dav_svn route instead as you suggested
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20:40.01eitanofer0: I went to the HP website and it said that I should use the distro to get HPLIP.
20:40.17eitanI did that. I got HPLIP via Synaptic.
20:40.54eitanOk... with that installed, when I went to System Tools>Printing, I was able to add my HP Laserjet 2200d
20:41.02eitanSo everything looked good, but...
20:41.19eitanwhen asked it to print a test page, nothing happened.
20:41.30elvirolocan anyone point me to some insightful documentation about installing truetype fonts ?
20:41.35NaufraGohas anybody installed any bootsplash theme on debian? like http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26495
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20:42.31dendriteeitan: What flavor of Debian?
20:42.37eitanSarge
20:43.14dendriteeitan: Hmm.  I guess that would be cups.
20:43.26eitanok... so what do I do?
20:43.39dendriteeitan: I'm checking to see what cups packages are called in Sarge...
20:44.13dendriteeitan: Do you have cupsys and cupsys-bsd installed?
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20:45.04eitanlet me check
20:45.49eitanI only have cupsys installed.
20:46.34dendriteeitan: I would probably install cupsys-bsd, that gives you the standard printing commands.  Maybe cupsys-client as well.
20:47.12eitanprobably? Is that definitely the next step?
20:47.27dendriteeitan: It's just what I'd do.  Then, I'd see what I get with a browser at http://localhost:631
20:47.36eitanwill cupsys-bsd interfere with with regular cupsys?
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20:47.56dendriteeitan: No, it won't interfere.  It provides commands like 'lpr' that you use to print from $
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20:48.02eitansuper
20:48.18dendriteeitan: But don't take my word for it, read the package descriptions.
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20:48.32dendriteeitan: In general, don't do anything as root without understanding it as best you can.
20:49.08eitanwhat package instructions
20:49.09eitan?
20:49.24Nigromantehello
20:49.26dendriteeitan: Not package instructions, package *description*
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20:49.59eitanYou're telling me I need to read about cupsys-bsd now?
20:50.02dendriteeitan: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys-bsd for instance.
20:50.10dendriteeitan: Only if you have questions about what it is.
20:50.38dendriteeitan: If you trust some stranger (me) to tell you what to do at your root prompt, then you don't need to read anything.  :-)
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20:52.39eitanRight well... why use cupsys-bsd if I don't have bsd?
20:52.54eitanI read about it, and it doesn't really say much that helps.
20:53.06eitancupsys by itself doesn't allow for lpr commands?
20:53.18dendriteeitan: OK, then just try http://localhost:631 in a browser on that machine.
20:53.22eitanok
20:53.25k31thGuys, i current had 4 MX records on my domain with the value of 10... I added my own mail server with the mx value of 5... mail does not seem to be going thru my server. I thought that the lower the value the higher the priority!?
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20:53.39dendriteeitan: I don't believe cupsys itself has lpr
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20:54.02eitanok now what?
20:54.07dendriteph@boink:~$ dpkg -S `which lpr`
20:54.07dendritecupsys-bsd: /usr/bin/lpr
20:54.09k31thThe other 4 mx records that all have the value of 10 seem to swap about and move when i do a "dig A blah.com" seems theres some sort of load balancing ?
20:54.10abrotmanapt-file search bin/lpr
20:54.33dendriteeitan: What do you get at http://localhost:631 ?
20:54.42eitana screen with all kinds of options
20:55.04dendriteeitan: OK, now explore that, since that is your cups (printing) control. Try to print a test page from there.
20:55.21NaufraGoif I installed a unstable package would it fail or produce failures?
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20:55.27elviroloi've just installed a new ttf font on my debian system, and the problem is that, although it appears in differents apps' font list, it just shows up as plain arial (or whatever) ; however, it shows up fine in kfontview
20:55.29NaufraGoI'm sarge, stable
20:56.05dendriteNaufraGo: Yes, it would cause breakage.
20:56.15dendriteNaufraGo: Ask dpkg about "simple sid backport"
20:56.21NaufraGoand a simple window decoration theme?
20:56.49dendriteNaufraGo: Nobody here is going to tell you that installing sid packages on sarge is a good idea.
20:57.38NaufraGowhich is the "simple sid backport" objective?
20:57.48dendriteNaufraGo: Ask dpkg.
20:58.03NaufraGoit gives some commands, nothing else
20:58.05dendriteNaufraGo: Objective is to grab sid source, compile on your system.
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20:58.28dendriteNaufraGo: Thus building packages for your level of libc, etc.
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20:58.34eitanok no luck
20:58.35NaufraGodoes it help me with unstabe packages?
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20:58.41NaufraGounstable
20:58.44eitantest page doesn't print
20:59.03dendriteeitan: Does cups see the printer?  Does it display any printer status?
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20:59.21dendriteeitan: Look around, try to solve your problem, and ask *specific* questions here.
20:59.39eitancups sees a printer. It calls it Laserjet-Series.
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21:01.02eitanDendrite: If you don't want to help, just say so, there must be someone else here who wants to help me. I already tried everything I can think of.
21:01.19eitanIf it were easy, then it would be working by now.
21:01.47RenfieldI have a problem getting ethernet working. When I run "ifconfig eth0 up" I get "Error while getting interface flags: no such device". This used to work. I do not know what has changed.
21:01.49dendriteeitan: You're not even answering my questions.  All I'm saying is that in order to solve your probems you're going to have to give a little effort.  I do understand that this is probably confusing and frustrating for you.
21:02.04NaufraGowhich is the faster way to install a .deb package?
21:02.08dendriteRenfield: Add any hardware, say a firewire card?
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21:02.17NaufraGoapt?
21:02.38dendriteNaufraGo: You manually downloaded a .deb to your machine?
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21:02.59dendriteNaufraGo: Then dpkg is the tool.
21:02.59Renfielddendrite: This is a laptop. I had a PCMCIA modem card in it, but it is not in there right now, and hasn't been in since the last boot.
21:02.59NaufraGowhat commands?
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21:03.14dendriteNaufraGo: man dpkg.
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21:03.22eitanA little effort? I am willing to follow all of your instructions and I've answered all of your questions. If you want to ask me any questions, please do, and I'll answer them. I appreciate help and I'm here ready to make an effort. It doesn't help me for you to say "Go and read it for yourself and figure it out for yourself." If that is all this channel is good for, then what's the point in having a debian channel at all.
21:03.27NaufraGook, thanks
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21:03.41dendriteeitan: Does cups see the printer?  Does it display any printer status?
21:03.51dendriteeitan: That's a repeat.
21:04.34eitanI already answered your question if you look back and see the log. The answer, once again, is yes... it sees the printer. It shows the status as idle accepting jobs.
21:04.48dendriteeitan: You didn't say it showed the status before.
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21:05.10abrotmanprinters suck!
21:05.12dendriteeitan: Now, does the test page you tried to print show up in the queue?
21:05.15eitanBefore I could even answer you you gave up and told me to "look around."
21:05.16dendriteabrotman: I agree.
21:05.24jsnDo I need apm in the kernel to put a laptop (powerbook g4) to sleep?
21:05.33abrotmanapm or acpi
21:05.35dendriteeitan: I'm afraid I'm not helping you, so I'll just be quiet now.
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21:05.41tschwingeIf I changed a configuration value of a package by using `debconf-set-selections', what to I have to run to create a new configuration file according to these changes?
21:06.25jsnthx, abrotman.
21:06.43jsnAny suggestion which I should compile in? Looks like I have neither.
21:07.00abrotmanwhy are you cmpiling a kernel ?
21:07.03eitan... off topic ... I have always had this impression about "online chats" and that's why only do them when absolutely necessary: that people get irritated too easily, misunderstand too easily, and come to conclusions about others too easily without knowing them.
21:07.18eitani.e. people on irc chats can be extremely impatient.
21:07.23RenfieldOdd, I rebooted and now my eth0 is visible in ifconfig -a.
21:07.24abrotmaneitan: you're just crazy .. we never get irritated!
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21:07.36eitanYou've proven my point.
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21:08.05abrotmaneitan: liar!!!!!!
21:08.39jsnabrotman: I think I have stock 2.6.15 (a problem in .16 for me, haven't checked since) and I don't seem to have apm or apci. What are my other choices, than to compile a new kernel?
21:08.53abrotmanjsn: use a debian kernel
21:08.56eitanOk... welll what will it take? Do you want me to pay you guys?
21:09.14jsnI'm using a debian kernel. 2.6.15-1
21:09.17abrotmandpkg: what does eitan pay you for
21:09.17dpkgoften eitan pays me for kitten sex, abrotman, but I'm open to suggestions!
21:09.22abrotmanjsn: then you have acpi and apm
21:09.36Renfieldeitan: Linux printing, I have found, is a black art.
21:09.40jsnacpi_available tells me no on that one.
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21:09.49eitanOh... ok... well that doesn't sound promising.
21:09.55abrotmanjsn: grep -i acpi /boot/config-$(uname -r)
21:10.01jsnand when I tried to "apt-get install apmd" it says I didn't have my kernel config'ed correctly.
21:10.13Renfieldeitan: Sorry, but that's just my experience of it. I manage our Unix printing system at work.
21:10.23eitanoh... super... can you help me?
21:10.24jsnI wonder, maybe it isn't stock. I thought it was.
21:10.31abrotmanjsn: yes .. it us
21:10.32abrotmanis
21:10.37Renfieldeitan: Maybe.
21:10.38abrotmanjsn: uname -a .. show us
21:10.58eitanok.. that's a start. Can you please help me now?
21:11.02abrotmanhehe
21:11.07jsnLinux float1 2.6.15-1-powerpc #2 Mon Mar 6 12:39:17 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux
21:11.13sparrCan anyone recommend an RSS reader with good filtering capabilities?  I want to use it for auction listing feeds and things of that nature.
21:11.21BingI'm new to Linux and I need some help installing Debian
21:11.23abrotmanjsn: you're on etch ?
21:11.26abrotman!ig
21:11.26dpkginstall guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box
21:11.34Renfieldeitan: What's the problem? I didn't join the channel early enough to get the first part of your problem description.
21:11.34abrotmansparr: thunderbird ?
21:11.41sparrabrotman: ORLY?
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21:12.01abrotmansparr: vowel keys broken ?
21:12.11eitanok... I'm using debian 3.1r0 and gnome and a HPLJ 2200d. I can't get it to print.
21:12.13jsnMy sources include unstable and testing. I'm not using 2.6.16 because it had a problem (alsa) with my machine
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21:12.36abrotmanjsn: apt-get update && apt-cache search linux-image
21:12.37sparrys
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21:13.06Renfieldeitan: Well, there's a lot to know. What program are you using to print?
21:13.26Renfieldeitan: Is this printer a network printer, or plugged directly into your computer?
21:13.30eitanI just tried to print from the text editor. It doesn't matter... it won't print from anywhere.
21:13.34eitandirectly
21:13.36abrotmanjsn: regardless .. grep -i acpi /boot/config-$(uname -r) .. doesn't show anything ?
21:13.51Renfieldeitan: usb or parallel?
21:14.01eitanub
21:14.03eitanusb
21:14.13jsnabrotman, it does not
21:14.26abrotmanjsn: cat /proc/version .. show me
21:14.34jsnI suppose I could try upgrading to 2.6.18, and hope the alsa problem is gone...
21:14.40Renfieldeitan: If you do a 'lsusb -v', does it show up?
21:14.50abrotmanis usblp loaded ?
21:14.53jsnLinux version 2.6.15-1-powerpc (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060304 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-10)) #2 Mon Mar 6 12:39:17 CET 2006
21:15.11abrotmanjsn: that should have apm and acpi as modules
21:15.13eitangood question... that produced a lot of output... I will have to search for it... please wait.
21:15.32eitanyes
21:16.24itchiWhat mean that 'a patch from -mm', particulary that -mm ?
21:16.32abrotmanit's a kernel tree
21:16.41dvseitan: are you part of the lp group?
21:16.45Renfieldeitan: As abrotman said, is usblp loaded? I'm guessing that is a kernel module (I only deal with network printers) so do 'lsmod | grep usb'.
21:17.06abrotmangrep lp might be more useful .. to see if any printing support is loaded
21:17.16itchiabrotman: What that to me?
21:17.18itchioeps
21:17.21abrotmanitchi: yes
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21:17.27jsnabrotman, I'll try 2.6.18. See if that doesn't help. Thank you for helping.
21:17.33dan2erm
21:17.34abrotmanjsn: okay
21:17.37dan2if I run cpio on this one initrd file
21:17.43dan22 for 2 times my system crashes
21:17.48abrotmanjsn: if it doesn't .. i'm going to ask you to paste your kernel config somewhere :)
21:17.53eitanHow do I find out if I'm part of the lp group?
21:17.58dan2I've been having flakyness on amd64
21:18.11abrotmaneitan: id or groups
21:18.21sparrabrotman: tbird's filtering isnt quite as nice as id like, any better ideas?
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21:18.31abrotmansparr: nerp .. i don't do many RSS feeds
21:18.41itchiabrotman: Got an unclear comment on my artcile, looks like for my  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)  i can use now the  r8169  module with the kernel 2.16.19, the r1000 no more work with .18
21:18.42eitanI don't have anything called usblp
21:19.02abrotman!find usblb etch
21:19.09abrotman!find usblp etch
21:19.21dendriteabrotman: eitan's running Sarge.
21:19.25itchiabrotman: So looks like that wired trouble gona become solved back soon
21:19.27dpkgDebian Search of 'usblp' (3 of 9): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-486.
21:19.29Renfieldeitan: I'd say listen to abrotman. I'm not sure about usb printing.
21:19.31abrotman!find usblp sarge
21:19.32dvseitan: groups
21:19.34abrotmanit's still there!
21:19.41dpkgDebian Search of 'usblp' (3 of 20): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386.
21:19.42dvsoops. sorry.
21:19.42itchiabrotman: It's just a trouble sinds .18 is in Etch
21:19.43abrotmanmight only be in 2.6 kernels though
21:19.55abrotmanhad to pee ?
21:19.59dvsyup
21:20.03eitanI'm not part of the lp group.
21:20.11abrotmaneitan: which kernel? uname -r
21:20.15eitanThough I did not have printing success as root either.
21:20.36komposterwhen in sid or etch will be linux-image 2.6.20 ???? it will be or not?
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21:20.50eitangrep lp did nothing
21:20.54abrotmankomposter: it's not even released yet
21:21.02abrotmanand etch won't
21:21.02dvseitan: adduser $USER lp
21:21.07abrotmaneitan: uname -r
21:21.08komposterwhay?
21:21.15itchiabrotman: I gona maybe tryout a custom .19 kernel bassed on the .18 config just to see maybe. Use Etch here
21:21.25abrotmankomposter: why what ?
21:21.28eitanI'm not using etch
21:21.32eitanI'm using sarge
21:21.36abrotmaneitan: uname -r
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21:22.05RenfieldQuick question: how do I install a debian package when all I have is the .deb file?
21:22.10abrotmanman dpkg
21:22.15RenfieldOk.
21:22.19itchiRenfield: fish is good :-)
21:22.23eitanOk... I found usblp here: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko
21:22.34abrotmaneitan: modprobe usblp
21:22.40itchilet do it
21:22.43itchi!fish
21:22.54dpkgi heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?
21:22.54abrotmanit appears 2.4 in sarge don't have usblp
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21:23.04blondieabrotman: it's called "printer" instead
21:23.10eitanepc:/# uname -r
21:23.10eitan2.6.8-3-686
21:23.27abrotmaneitan: modprobe usblp .. then run 'dmesg' .. see if any useful info came out
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21:24.13komposterabrotman> whay not be linux-image 2.6.20 in debian unstable? debian unstable is unstable-whay not can be unstable kernel in debian unstable-freeze of etch is no resipe-y do not know how it in english ÐÏÞÅÍÕÂÙ ÎÅÔ
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21:24.29itchiabrotman: Actually run 2.6.18-3-686, the thing that i find weird is that my network card is already reconised before i load the r1000 module
21:24.30eitanepc:/# adduser eitan lp
21:24.30eitanAdding user `eitan' to group `lp'...
21:24.30eitanDone.
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21:24.34abrotmankomposter: there is no 2.6.20 yet
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21:24.46dvseitan: logout and back in again
21:25.32eitanepc:/# modprobe usblp
21:25.33dvseilker: are you root right now?
21:25.34dvseitan: are you root right now?
21:25.50wiredddright now I am using dnsmasq for my dhcp and dns forwarding on my router, is there something better for this?
21:25.54itchiWith lsmod, i not see if my wired card use a module, but other stuff i see using it; hhhmm
21:26.27abrotmanwireddd: dnsmasq
21:26.31peteweezI know this sounds like a Winblows question, but it's more of a dd/dd_rescue/Grub question.  I used dd_rescue to copy /dev/hdc1 [Windows partition] to /dev/hda7 [empty partition].  Then I added an entry in Grub to chainload from hd0,6.  When I try to boot that, it throws error 12.  What's going on here?
21:26.39itchiWith ifconfig i see my wired card, how is the other way to see what module he use?
21:26.39eitanWhat should I be looking for in dmesg?
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21:27.05komposter<abrotman>why not? what problems with it? i have it with gentoo in my desktop-why debians developers do not it and do not put it in repozits?
21:27.10eitanI have a root window open. I'm not officially logged in as root.
21:27.12abrotmaneitan: anything useful
21:27.22abrotmankomposter: there is NO 2.6.20 yet .. it has NOT been released
21:27.43eitanshould I log out and back in now?
21:27.52dvseitan: if you are currently root, no
21:28.04itchiMaybe need to ask it in antoher way, if ifconfig -a  show my wired card, that mean that the system have been detected my network card?
21:28.07peteweezDoes dd_rescue copy the boot sector of a partition?
21:28.07eitanI have a root terminal window open.
21:28.19abrotmanif you added yourself .. yes
21:28.26eitanI'm logged in as a user, technically.
21:28.36dvseitan: then logout and back in again
21:28.39eitanas root?
21:28.42wiredddabrotman, so I should be using dnsmasq?
21:28.43dvseitan: no
21:28.47eitanok
21:28.56eitanI'll be back soon.
21:29.10abrotmanwireddd: either that or bind ... which woudl you rather be running ?
21:29.17abrotmanmaybe pdns ...
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21:29.29abrotmanseems a bit overkill
21:29.31itchiI have r8169                  27944  0  so it's not that he use :-(
21:29.51dvsitchi: if it's loaded then it's being used
21:30.13dvsAlright!  Another Red Green!
21:30.13wiredddabrotman,  yeah  I guess those are overkill
21:30.16itchidvs: There's 0, so it's not yet used i thought :-(
21:30.26komposter<abrotman> Anders HOW do you explane this? i put my question in official debian IRQ chat - and i have not the answer! what time the debian developers will put kernel 2.6.20 in debian unstable (etch) repozit? can you tell me please?
21:30.37streunerabrotman: How was new year? ;-)
21:30.38dvsitchi: That 0 means that it's being used by another kernel module
21:30.45abrotmankomposter: there is no 2.6.20 yet .. check kernel.org
21:30.52abrotmanstreuner: boring :)
21:30.54itchidvs: I try to debug why my wired card  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) no more work with .18
21:31.00streuner!kernel
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21:31.03dpkgLinux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.1, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.34, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc2-mm1
21:31.09abrotmanhey look .. no 2.6.20!
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21:31.12abrotman!ru
21:31.12dpkgfrom memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
21:31.37abrotmankomposter: and etch is in the freeze process .. it will most likely release with a 2.6.18 (hopefully release in a few weeks)
21:31.54itchidvs: That's my lsmod output  http://pastebin.ca/299719
21:31.58blondieabrotman: and no iceweasel?
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21:32.07abrotmanblondie: unsure .. it might get forced in
21:32.09itchidvs: I dunno what use it, i try to figure it out
21:32.28abrotmanblondie: good number of RC bugs
21:32.46dvsitchi: Yeah, that's fine.
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21:33.01eitanok. I'm back. No luck. No printing.
21:33.09peteweezDoes dd or dd_rescue copy the boot sector of a partition?
21:33.32abrotmaneitan: did you restart the box ?
21:33.37eitanno
21:33.43eitanI was told to log out... not restart.
21:33.43dvsitchi: does ifconfig say anything?
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21:33.50abrotmaneitan: just making sure
21:34.35itchidvs: Looks like in the future i no more need the r1000 for this wired card, but the r8169, but that's for .20 kernel, so i guess the previous will be miss it. Yeah, ifconfig -a show my network card, i can ping on to the ip, but not to another comp
21:34.37sussudio!sw abrotman http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian2006.html
21:34.37dpkgabrotman http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian2006.html: you stats whore!
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21:34.50abrotmansussudio: you love me :)
21:35.00itchidvs: The r1000 is externeal stuff of the Realtek website
21:35.01dvsitchi: oh, so the card works but the network is not configured
21:35.03blondieabrotman at the top of course
21:35.23sussudiodeb2006
21:35.27blondieabrotman: want a competition?
21:35.33komposter<abrotman>thank you! i am so disapered  i tray know that unstable will be updated early....i tray to install new kernel from kernel.org-but it not optimizet with debian
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21:35.41abrotmanblondie: no
21:35.53abrotmankomposter: okay
21:35.57abrotmanblondie: for what ?
21:36.03itchidvs: Configured to, he do like he want to work, but he not do it. On the switch i see the light on/off/on/off  So there's sometings wrong with the .18 kernel for this wired card. With previous kernels, no problem
21:36.07abrotmansussudio: i'm a slacker .. didn't break 100k this year :)
21:36.08blondie#1 in the stats
21:36.26abrotmanblondie: why?
21:36.32blondiewhy not? :P
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21:36.50dvsitchi: I think that the default gateway is not set up.
21:36.52eitanis anyone helping me anymore?
21:37.08itchidvs: No no, not config trouble, im sure :-)
21:37.44itchidvs: It's a module trouble or kernel
21:37.44abrotmaneitan: you didn't tell us anything ...
21:37.44dvsitchi: ok.
21:37.44abrotmaneitan: we need errors .. logs .. etc
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21:37.44jsnhey, abrotman. Where do you want it?
21:37.45jsn:)
21:37.45dvsitchi: you can ping the IP but not the machine name?
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21:37.47eitanwhat do you want me to tell you? Where do I get these errors and logs? It's just not printing!
21:37.48abrotman!paster
21:37.48dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:37.50abrotmanjsn: ^^
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21:37.53dvsis that what you're saying?
21:38.00abrotmaneitan: is it going in the queue
21:38.02abrotman?
21:38.06itchidvs: It's because this wired card go become build in newer kernels, like for < .20 we need to compile an external module
21:38.06eitanno
21:38.17blondieeitan: "it's just not printing" isn't easy to fix :P
21:38.19itchidvs: oeps > .20
21:38.21eitanIt says that it sends the job to the printer...
21:38.39eitanthen when I look at the printer, it says it has 0 jobs
21:38.50itchidvs: For .19, there's maybe a patch i have read on a comment on my article
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21:38.52dvsitchi: oh I see.  I haven't compiled external modules for kernels before.
21:38.58itchidvs: But i have the .18 now :-)
21:39.16bizeitan: are you using cups? go to the webinterface and check the queue
21:39.33eitanhow do I get to the web interface again?
21:39.38itchiI'm not of the level to make a kernel patch :-/
21:39.50dvseitan: http://localhost:631
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21:40.00Zap-Wnis question , is this valid netgroup :  foobar-group (machine1,user1,), (machine2,user2,)
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21:40.01jsnIs there any snazzier way of pasting such a large file, then grabbing it by chunks. Looks like it might take 50-100 efforts this way
21:40.29itchidvs: Forget my oeps line :-p
21:40.38eitanit says "no active jobs"
21:40.50dvseitan: print a test page
21:41.03itchidvs: Im bit bored with these kernels switchs/tests hehe
21:41.33dvsheh
21:41.49tuvsomeone posted two kernel configs in a bug report and now that report webpage never completes loading $%$#
21:42.48eitanok... I tried printing a test page. Nothing... no test page. I then went to the "completed jobs page" and it lists ever page I tried to print... 17 of them... all of them say "cancelled"
21:42.50abrotmanjsn: pastebin.ca has a way to upload a file
21:42.52eitan<PROTECTED>
21:42.53eitanMon 01 Jan 2007 01:41:42 PM PST
21:43.00abrotmantuv: your bug ?
21:43.00eitanI didn't cancel any of them.
21:43.40abrotmanyou did!
21:43.53biz(:
21:43.58dvseitan: go to the printer tab and print the "Location:" info here
21:44.25braddcadd2000Hello all.  I am trying to get sane to recognize my scanner.  Any help would be appreciated.  I have a thinkpad running Ubuntu (dapper) and the scanner is an all-in-one HP Officejet 5610 (all documents say it is compatable with linux (even scanner))
21:44.33eitanDescription: LaserJet-Series
21:44.33eitanLocation:
21:44.33eitanPrinter State: idle, accepting jobs.
21:44.33eitanDevice URI: usb://HP/LaserJet%202200
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21:45.01braddcadd2000but scanimage -L detects nothing (as does xsane & sudo xsane)
21:45.14dvseitan: there's nothing in the "Location:" field
21:45.16jsnThanks, abrotman. Well, here it is... http://pastebin.ca/299736
21:45.16eitangee wiz.. 4 lines autokicks... not right.
21:45.25eitanRight... isn't that upsetting?
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21:46.15sussudio!fist eitan
21:46.22dvsI guess that doesn't matter
21:46.32eitanhuh?
21:47.03abrotmanjsn: all i can think is that PPC doesn't do acpi
21:47.09abrotmanjsn: ask #debianppc
21:47.12dvseitan: I'm using a different driver for my printer: ptal:/mlc:usb:hp_LaserJet_1300
21:47.17jsnwill do.
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21:47.30eitanok so?
21:47.59dvseitan: I don't know how to make your URI work.
21:48.00eitanThat's probably because you have a different printer.
21:48.21eitanuri?
21:48.27dvsDevice URI
21:48.33eitanwhat's a uri?
21:48.48dvsThe thing you just pasted here.
21:49.08eitanoh... ok.
21:49.14eitanwhat does that stand fort?
21:49.16eitanfor?
21:49.33blondie!uri
21:49.33dpkgi guess uri is a generic URL, eg anything://something.  Uniform Resource Indicator
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21:49.40eitanoh
21:49.41eitan<PROTECTED>
21:49.54eitanSo does anyone here know how I can get my printer to print?
21:50.03abrotmanuse the print command
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21:50.18abrotmaneitan: does lsusb show it ?
21:50.22eitanHere's your opportunity to take on a challenge... prove you're a debian expert... :)
21:50.34eitanwhat print command... where?
21:50.35abrotmansee .. this is why i don't own a printer!
21:51.02abrotmaneitan: does lsusb show it ?
21:51.08eitanBus 002 Device 004: ID 03f0:0217 Hewlett-Packard
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21:51.48dvsabrotman: what? you write everything out by hand?
21:51.51abrotmanis usblp loaded ?
21:51.57abrotmandvs: i just don't print :)
21:51.58eitanhow do I check that?
21:52.07blondielsmod
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21:52.19dvslsmod | grep usblp
21:52.22blondiecheck dmesg for any errors
21:52.30eitanyes
21:52.41blondiemy usb printer wouldn't work on one machine :(
21:52.48eitanusblp                  13088  0
21:52.55blondieit just didn't do anything... seemed there was usb dodginess
21:53.07abrotmaneitan: paste your dmesg somewhere
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21:54.56abrotman!paster
21:54.56dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:56.22eitanhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4975
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21:57.27abrotmanyou have a scanner!
21:57.58abrotmanand your printer is detected
21:58.20eitanyes... isn't that keen? :)
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21:58.26Zap-Wwhere can i get help about netgroups ??
21:58.37abrotmaneitan: i think you've done enough for today .. rest .. try again tomorrow :)
21:58.38Zap-Whave some questions
21:58.43abrotmanabout newsgroups ?
21:58.57Zap-W/etc/netgroup
21:59.29eitanabrotman: huh? done enough? I haven't done anything yet!
21:59.39loopdeeis there a macro program in gnome? one to basicaly press a record button and use the keyboard and mouse to create a macro ?
21:59.40abrotmaneitan: try printconf
21:59.56abrotman!info printconf sarge
22:00.04dpkgprintconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
22:00.09eitanepc:~# printconf
22:00.10eitanbash: printconf: command not found
22:00.10abrotmando i get a prize now ?
22:00.20abrotmaneitan: install the damn thing .. don't be dense
22:00.31buckyeitan, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4977
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22:00.53dvsabrotman: huh?
22:00.59abrotmandvs: hi!
22:01.04dvshello
22:01.32abrotmanhuh what ?
22:01.35blondieZap-W: what's a netgroup?
22:01.44Zap-Wman netgroup
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22:01.52dvs<abrotman> .. don't be dense
22:01.55dvs:-)
22:02.04loopdeexmacro .... hmmm
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22:02.20abrotmanbucky: i would imagine he's already tried that
22:02.24blondiedvs: don't you know what that means?
22:02.51dvsblondie: yes
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22:03.37eitandone
22:03.47abrotmaneitan: which one ?
22:03.54abrotmaneitan: printconf or bucky's paste ?
22:03.56eitanprintconf
22:03.59abrotmanany change ?
22:04.00unsuchtwhen use the skeleton script to make bootup scripts, the PATH should point to the executable file for the service, or to the bootup script itself?
22:04.56abrotmanunsucht: PATH should include the path to binary .. is your binary outside the PATH already defined ?
22:05.01eitanhey... it works it works!
22:05.07abrotmaneitan: do i get a prize ?
22:05.09eitanwonderful!!!
22:05.13abrotmana beer ?
22:05.15abrotmananything ?
22:05.17eitanWhat do you want me to send you?
22:05.26abrotmanjennifer aniston ?
22:05.43unsuchtyes, i it
22:05.46unsuchtoutside
22:05.48eitanOk... what kind of beer do you want me to send you?
22:05.54abrotmanunsucht: add the path to that list ..
22:06.04abrotmaneitan: i'm sure it's far to great of a distance :)
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22:06.26abrotmaneitan: wait .. what's your location ?
22:06.33eitanShipping works all over the world.
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22:06.38eitanUS
22:06.42stonedabrotman, happy new year
22:06.54abrotmaneitan: i realize that .. a bit more limited is what i meant :)
22:06.58eitanCalifornia
22:06.59abrotmanstoned: HNY to you too :)
22:07.05abrotmaneitan: don't make me drag it out of you :)
22:07.10eitanLos Angeles
22:07.10stonedabrotman, party hard?
22:07.16stonedI did
22:07.18abrotmaneitan: i'm going off your WHOIS for your IP .. i might have a /msg question for you
22:07.19unsuchtdoes the NAME containt the binay?
22:07.22unsuchtbinary
22:07.26abrotmanstoned: not at all .. i was out by 11pm
22:07.33abrotmaneitan: /msg ?
22:08.07eitanhow do I read these private messages?
22:08.18eitanI'm not an irc type of person.
22:08.19blondietype /query abrotman
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22:09.01abrotmaneitan: what is your IRC client ?
22:09.11eitanx-chat
22:09.20abrotmaneitan: did another tab open when i msg'ed you ?
22:09.31abrotmaneitan: try /query abrotman hi
22:09.31eitanyes. and I was writing to you there.
22:09.54abrotmaneitan: okay .. write back then :)
22:10.01eitanI did... nothing happened.
22:10.08blondiesounds like a nickserv issue.
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22:10.27abrotmaneitan: /j #eitan
22:10.35eitanIt's showing up in the window... but you don't seem to see what I'm writing.
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22:10.43abrotmanit's okay .. just /join #eitan
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22:12.56multi_ioeitan: are you installing a Linux system for yourself?
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22:13.45multi_ioor for your family/friends, or in a network for some larger group of people?
22:14.26eitanmulti_io: I already installed linux for myself.
22:14.30stonedblondie, are you really blond?
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22:14.55blondiestoned: I was when I chose this nick
22:15.00stonedhehe
22:15.11multi_io:-P
22:15.23blondiebut bleaching my hair is too much effort
22:15.25stonedwell, I keep up with my nick
22:15.35stonedyou're not a natural blondie
22:15.48stonedits a question, I forgot "?"
22:16.07blondiea natural blondie? :P or blonde
22:16.08blondieno
22:16.11blondiemy hair is almost black
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22:16.23multi_ioso wash it! :-P
22:16.31stonedblondie, and how long is your hair?
22:16.31blondiehaha
22:16.34deb_noobwhy does kopete keep resizing the window to be really small?
22:16.34blondieshort
22:16.38stonedhow short?
22:16.41blondieI get it cut grade 3
22:16.46stonedahh
22:16.56stonedshouldn't be too much rouble to blean it
22:16.58stoneder..
22:17.03stonedtoo much trouble to bleach*
22:17.08blondieit's not really
22:17.15blondiebut when it grows out it looks naff
22:17.25stonedoh I see
22:17.35stonedI'm smoking a cig
22:17.42stonedjust so you know.
22:17.42blondieyuck :p
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22:17.54stonedit really doesn't matter, but just thought i'd let you know
22:17.58Ilovemypuppyyoure wrak, im smoking a bowl
22:18.01Ilovemypuppybeak
22:18.06blondieweak?
22:18.10stonedlol
22:18.14stonedwrak/beak
22:18.15Ilovemypuppydamn - i mean weak - i think its giving me glaucoma
22:18.20stonedhorrible tyops
22:18.36deb_noobwhere do i set windows to remember their size?
22:18.45stoneddeb_noob, what are you using?
22:18.57deb_noobkde on etch
22:19.13stoneddeb_noob, there is a command through dcop kmserver something saveSession
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22:19.21stonedhold on let me find out, or actually just ask in #kde
22:19.34stonedalso for the other thing, I would say its in konqueror settings
22:19.35deb_noobnah it's only the kopete window that isn't saving it's size
22:19.48stoneder.. kcontrol
22:19.49stonedgah!
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22:20.04stoneddeb_noob, #kopete ?
22:20.04deb_noobstoned: where in kcontrol?
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22:20.25stoneddesktop > window behaviour I think
22:20.45stonedno
22:20.58stonedI can't recall I know I asked in #kde myself previously for the same kinda thing
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22:23.38unsuchthow do i make a sym link from the runlevel dir to init.d?
22:23.40Ilovemypuppystoned, smoke w me
22:23.47Nibbierunsucht, ln
22:23.48karstenunsucht: man ln
22:24.24stonedln -s yomama me
22:24.25stonedetc.
22:24.27stoned:D
22:24.44multi_ioln -s source dest
22:25.03multi_ioit took me 2 or three years to memorize that order
22:25.07unsuchtsays file exists?
22:25.19stonedapparantly in kde each app remembers its own site
22:25.21stoneder.. size
22:25.38stoned#kde| <thiago> each application remembers its size
22:25.49multi_iounsucht: ln -s existing_file link_to_be_created
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22:40.04abrotman!moo
22:40.04dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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22:41.13mc__!communism
22:41.13dpkgfrom memory, communism is something that has nothing to do with free software or heaven on earth., or a great idea, but it never works, or "Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations." (Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels), or "yeah and capitalism is working that great isn't it?
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22:42.16Mikeapt-get moo
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22:42.37gogosysHello when I compile php I can't see new version. I use apxs but why this don't apply new changes in apache. Please help Really I don't know what to do
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22:43.10Guerin!wayc gogosys
22:43.10dpkggogosys: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?
22:43.27gogosysyes compiling my boss want to compile everything
22:43.34Gueringogosys: your boss is stupid.
22:43.51Gueringogosys: why did he hire a sysadmin if he knows better?
22:43.59Knorrieheh
22:44.08gogosysYes he is. I compiled and everything should be ok but It isn't
22:44.18gogosysI don't see new php version
22:44.20Knorriestart your own distro!
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22:44.37Gueringogosys: we can't really support self-compiled stuff, suggest you ask #php
22:44.45gogosysI need isntall curl
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22:45.00Guerini recommend a replacement of libboss, something less verbose would be ideal
22:45.09Guerinmaybe replace him with a small shell script
22:46.00baikonuris it possible to save the passphrase of a gnupg key on the harddisk so that I do not have to enter the key each time I want to encrypt or decrypt a message?
22:46.20Roninbaikonur: sort of defeats the purpose though doesnt that?
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22:46.38Guerinbaikonur: you could just have no passphrase at all
22:46.45baikonurRonin: why? if I'm only interested in the encrypted transport?
22:46.46Guerinor you could just not bother to use gpg
22:48.59LightKnight!archive key 2007
22:49.30GuerinLightKnight: were you looking for the topic?
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22:49.59LightKnightGuerin: Actually not, thank you :)
22:50.32baikonurGuerin: why do you think a key without a passphrase is almost the same as having no gpg at all?
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22:50.56Guerinbaikonur: i didn't say that, i was just making the point it's further along the continuum]
22:51.40LightKnightGuerin: no public key for 2007 yet?
22:52.24GuerinLightKnight: i think it was replaced in december some time, hence the note in the topic
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22:53.02LightKnightGuerin: Thanks again. Aptitude is now complaining about my sources not being secure, thus I was asking.
22:53.32Guerinyeh, i haven't upgraded anything since the turnover
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22:54.52czr[ot] is there a channel for asking glibc questions?
22:54.53LightKnightOK, it was just to be on the safe side :)
22:55.13Guerinczr: probably #c
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22:55.25czrGuerin, will try, thanks
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22:55.46baikonurGuerin: I mean, the transport over the internet is encrypted and if the probability of loosing the key is relatively low I think the tradeoff is not that bad. It enables me to use encrypted emails with a computer novice
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22:56.40cbrso when is etch going to be out?
22:56.47Guerinbaikonur: yep. it all hinges on the computer's physical and network security, though. Any breach and it's pwned, whereas that would not necessarily be true of a passphrased key.
22:57.06Guerinczr: when it's ready. /msg dpkg etch pool 1 for a sample of opinions
22:57.09Guerinbah
22:57.13Guerincbr: ↑
22:57.27infernixI'm querying snmpd on a debian etch machine and it is not updating the network byte counter in realtime (IF-MIB::ifInOctets.2 in my case). if I do a "watch snmpget --someoptions", I see it updating only once every 10 to 15 seconds.
22:57.42infernixi've checked the ifconfig counter on the box in question and that one updates just fine
22:57.48czrGuerin, :-)
22:58.24infernixi had this box running sarge last week and it worked fine
22:59.14streunerGuerin: How was new year?
22:59.55infernixah, if I strace the snmpd i actually see it querying the interface statistics once every 10-15 seconds. i'll go look at the source
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23:00.59RodrigoKris_hello, happy new year for all
23:01.36crackcornhello all, im having some trouble with getting my ethernet working properly, its a rtl-8169 chipset and im using r8169
23:01.43crackcornits configured properly with the correct ip/gateway and all, but i cant even ping its own ip address
23:01.44streuner!listkeys 8139
23:01.46dpkgFactoid search of '8139' by key (5): #debian rtl8139 ;; _default rtl8139 ;; 8139 ;; rtl8139 ;; _default 8139.
23:02.46streunercrackcorn: does the kernel regonise the NIC at all?
23:02.56jsnAnyone know about sleep on powerpc laptops? (#debianppc doesn't seem to have anyone around who does))
23:03.06crackcornits listed in lspci as the correct device
23:03.23streunernah, look in /var/log/dmesg.log
23:03.49streunernah, look in /var/log/dmesg
23:04.21crackcornit shows a eth0: identified chip type and sets up the auto negotion and 1000mbs operation
23:04.30crackcornfrom dmesg, i mean
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23:05.05streunercrackcorn: grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg and show the output in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste)
23:05.16crackcorni thought something might be wrong with the nic, so i replaced it with a spare one i had and its the same problem
23:05.17crackcornok sec
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23:08.53crackcornhad to type that up hehe, on a different machine
23:08.54crackcornhttp://pastebin.ca/299848
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23:10.18streunercrackcorn: and ifconfig shows the NIC?
23:10.29crackcornyes, shows it up and running
23:10.54streunercrackcorn: what kind of internet connection do you have, DHCP?
23:11.04crackcornoh my gosh i think i see whats wrong
23:11.59crackcornyeah im retarded, i had fat fingered a 0 instead of a 2 when i assigned its ip
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23:12.18crackcornyeah i can ping the gateway now, man i suck
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23:13.31crackcornsorry for the trouble, thanks for the help streuner
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23:17.37arrenlexI can't change the language in KDE 3.5.5. I have kde-i18n-engb installed, but if I try to add British in kcontrol>country\region&language, nothing happens. It appears in the list, but clicking on it has no effect. This is Debian Etch.
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23:18.48azeemarrenlex: try to select in your display manager it before you login
23:19.13arrenlexazeem: kdm uses engb
23:19.34azeemok
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23:20.17arrenlexI cannot add other languages either. Just tried Russian with the same (lack of) effect.
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23:21.01azeemarrenlex: so you're saying kdm only has one language to choose from?
23:21.31arrenlexazeem: No, two. en_US and en_GB.
23:22.00arrenlexazeem: kdm changes fine, although I can't verify if it changed because it doesn't contain any text that would be different.
23:22.08arrenlexazeem: KDE itself cannot be changed.
23:22.27azeemok, no idea
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23:23.34deb_noobare there other kde themes in repos?
23:23.50streuner!tell deb_noob about search
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23:24.01deb_noobyeah, thanks
23:24.09deb_noobstreuner: what would you search for?
23:24.13streunerkde-look.org has some other themes as well
23:24.19stephanscan I force X to use a resolution? Cuz i have a tv screen that supports 1080P (1920 resolution....
23:24.24stephans)
23:24.31streuner"kde themes" would be a good start ;-)
23:24.32concept10The only think I miss about using Windows is the setting that puts your pointer on the default action.  Is there something like this avail for GNOME?
23:24.39stephansX only suse 1280 and below
23:25.41stephansany ideas anyone?
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23:26.47multi_iostephans: X server configuration is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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23:27.12stephansMulti_io:I know...
23:27.18stephanshere is my mode
23:27.27multi_ioI guess you'd have to change the Screen referred to under the Section "ServerLayout"
23:27.31stephans<PROTECTED>
23:28.50multi_ioand it chooses the 1280x1024 resolution?
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23:31.04stephansMulti_io: what is the syntax for the "Server Layout" to force a resolution...
23:31.08stephansDo you knwo off hand
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23:36.05multi_iostephans: don't know, sorry
23:36.11stephansok
23:36.30multi_iostephans: you can delete all modes except the 1920x1200 of course :)
23:37.08stephansmulti_io: I tried that... It ignored me...
23:37.09multi_ioin which case the server probably won't start anymore
23:37.13stephans;=)
23:37.41multi_iolook at the manpage for the driver you're using, maybe it tells you supported modes?
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23:45.24rp1anyone know is agnula is still active ? looks like the agnula domain is no longer registered...
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23:47.47rp1http://www.agnula.org coughs up one of those domain reseller porno search pages .. :P
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23:50.08concept10rp1, i forgot, what is angula ?  Linux music production?
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23:53.25rp1concept10: yeah  live-cd music distro
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23:53.52rp1agnula is/was the parent project to demudi
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23:57.29rp1looks like the project is dead.. :(
23:58.48*** join/#debian freakazoid0223 (n=matt@pool-72-81-14-110.phlapa.east.verizon.net)
23:59.23*** join/#debian unsucht (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca)
23:59.33*** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@d213-102-129-149.cust.tele2.at)
23:59.36unsuchtwhere are bootup errors logged?
23:59.42*** join/#debian eidan (n=eidan@il-209.arrakis.es)

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