| 00:00.21 | Guerin | unsucht: dmesg |
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| 00:02.12 | unsucht | i've made sym links to script that i know work, but they don't do anything at bootup |
| 00:03.05 | unsucht | where would errors for that be logged? |
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| 00:03.57 | azeem | unsucht: are you sure they are getting executed on bootup? |
| 00:04.54 | unsucht | is there a log that tells me? i've put one in rc2.d and would in rc5.d |
| 00:05.12 | dendrite | unsucht: What is the name of the link/script in rc2.d ? |
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| 00:05.22 | Guerin | unsucht: make them echo some output to the shell, or touch /tmp/itworked |
| 00:05.49 | unsucht | well they echo: starting ............. |
| 00:05.52 | karsten | unsucht: You should be using update-rc.d to modify your SysV init scripts. |
| 00:06.13 | karsten | unsucht: I'd check that the scripts are then running as anticipated. 'bash -x <script>' will show commands as executed. |
| 00:06.32 | unsucht | ok, thanks |
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| 00:12.40 | wastrel | hi |
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| 00:22.37 | itchi | dvs: Cool i have finished my hacked pywmduo.py :-p |
| 00:22.38 | wastrel | i am ripping a cd |
| 00:22.47 | dvs | !beer itchi |
| 00:22.59 | itchi | dvs: Wait, gona show you :-) |
| 00:23.13 | dvs | itchi: actually, I was about to leave |
| 00:23.43 | itchi | dvs: 2 mins ;-) |
| 00:23.49 | dvs | well... ok |
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| 00:24.28 | itchi | dvs: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/screenshot.jpg |
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| 00:25.09 | itchi | Just need to fix that 1 or 2 pixel, like the between the first and second line there is to many space |
| 00:25.30 | dvs | itchi: still slow.... ;-) |
| 00:26.15 | itchi | dvs: Yeah, look like i take a bit more time new, maybe is the cronjob of my isp to late now :-) |
| 00:27.44 | dvs | itchi: are you talking about the title bar? |
| 00:27.46 | itchi | dvs: Heh, made in Python! :-) |
| 00:27.59 | welly | has anyone upgraded apache on their debian server to 2.2.3? |
| 00:28.03 | itchi | Have already fixed GHz Mhz, shuuut ;-) |
| 00:28.06 | abrotman | welly: why ? |
| 00:28.07 | welly | i tried doing this before and didn't have much luck with it |
| 00:28.36 | wastrel | my xmms is broken interesting. |
| 00:28.53 | welly | do i just need to add the unstable tree to my sources.list to upgrade it? |
| 00:29.24 | dvs | welly: apache 2.2.3 is in testing right now. |
| 00:29.28 | welly | ok |
| 00:31.58 | welly | does this look ok - http://pastie.caboo.se/30592 ? |
| 00:32.02 | welly | before i remove the -s |
| 00:32.05 | deb_noob | is it possible to display large icons in the k menu? |
| 00:32.37 | welly | i've literally just added deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main to sources.list |
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| 00:34.20 | Guerin | welly: don't mis testing and stable |
| 00:34.25 | Guerin | or mix them, either |
| 00:34.41 | welly | Guerin, how can i not, if i want to install something that is in testing? |
| 00:35.11 | Guerin | welly: backports, run testing wholesale, or build your own |
| 00:35.18 | Guerin | !tell welly about simple sid backport |
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| 00:36.11 | welly | deb-src line for sid? what's sid? |
| 00:36.23 | welly | < knows next to nothing about debian |
| 00:36.34 | Guerin | welly: ok, you need to just run what's in stabloe, then |
| 00:36.41 | Guerin | welly: don't try to run before you can walk |
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| 00:36.54 | welly | the thing is, I need to run this version of apache |
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| 00:37.11 | Guerin | welly: try backports.org |
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| 00:37.37 | Guerin | welly: your other plausible option is to upgrade wholesale to testing - since it's about to stabilise there should be only a small amount of pain |
| 00:38.03 | Guerin | but until you really know what you're doing, trying to run a mixed distro will just result in monumnetal breakage |
| 00:38.22 | welly | hmm.. feck.. i really have to run apache 2.2.3 |
| 00:38.32 | Guerin | welly: why? |
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| 00:39.13 | welly | Guerin, because 2.0 doesn't support mod_proxy_balancer and for deploying ruby on rails applications, most of the good instructions for deployment require a particular set up, which means 2.2.3 |
| 00:40.01 | Guerin | bah |
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| 00:40.26 | Guerin | you know next to nothing about the distro, yet you're trying to use technology so new it's barely even supported |
| 00:40.37 | welly | well to be fair, apache 2.2 has been out for a while |
| 00:40.43 | welly | all i want to do is set it up and then use it |
| 00:41.15 | Guerin | backports.org might have it. Otherwise you're going to need to upgrade or build your own backport. |
| 00:41.18 | Guerin | welly: in stable, mission-critical software (webserver) terms `a while' means `years'. |
| 00:41.38 | Guerin | apache2.2 is barely out of alpha as far as most serious web admins are concerned |
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| 00:42.04 | welly | that might be the case but it seems to be working fine for people who are running it |
| 00:42.19 | welly | and that'll do for me |
| 00:42.23 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 00:42.32 | welly | and this isn't mission critical software i'm running |
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| 00:43.01 | robin_sz | ok, I just installed courier-mta on debian etc, did courierauthtest <me> <passwd> and it fails .. using authpam .. where do I start looking? |
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| 00:43.19 | Guerin | robin_sz: the logs will tell you. |
| 00:43.47 | robin_sz | Guerin, I figured they might .. but its hidden the logs !in /var/log/courier/ |
| 00:43.55 | Guerin | robin_sz: some versions are fucked and split the user and @host parts of a login name; otherwise it might not be talking properly to pam or to the lookup database |
| 00:43.58 | robin_sz | I havent found em eyt |
| 00:44.12 | welly | so if i was to install apache in testing, and having this mixed distro.. if only for that apache upgrade, is it really going to go arse up? |
| 00:44.23 | robin_sz | well, authdaemontest <me> finds me OK |
| 00:44.26 | Guerin | robin_sz: if it's using pam, look in auth.log - if there are no lookups in there, it's not reaching pam. If there are, it should tell you the matter. |
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| 00:44.35 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 00:44.37 | Guerin | welly: very likely. |
| 00:44.42 | welly | hmm ok |
| 00:44.54 | welly | what kind of problems might i come across? |
| 00:45.08 | Guerin | welly: that said, you'd always be able to fix0r it by upgrading to testing ... which is about to stabilise. Any month now. |
| 00:45.15 | welly | ok |
| 00:45.35 | Guerin | welly: the inability to install or remove packages, and things not running because of a libc, or similar, library mismatch |
| 00:45.41 | welly | right ok |
| 00:46.21 | wastrel | hi |
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| 00:49.18 | robin_sz | Guerin, wel, its not hitting pam by the look of it |
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| 00:51.29 | robin_sz | Guerin, well, its not hitting pam by the look of it |
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| 00:51.30 | itchi | With hddtemp, i can get the temperature of the sda, where get that app his information from? I not see it in the /proc |
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| 00:51.48 | azeem | itchi: probably smarts |
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| 00:52.16 | itchi | azeem: hhhm, now what's smarts?? :-) Gona search for it ;-) |
| 00:52.21 | azeem | yes |
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| 00:52.39 | azeem | !smart |
| 00:52.40 | dpkg | somebody said smart was the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 00:52.41 | MatBoy | itchi, ga eens naar je eigen kanaal man |
| 00:52.50 | MatBoy | !beer itchi for his birthday !!!!!!!! |
| 00:53.05 | itchi | MatBoy: Yup, sorry, was searching some stuff, not yet have look to the other channels :-) |
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| 00:53.20 | MatBoy | itchi, hehe, it's the age :P |
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| 00:54.07 | itchi | MatBoy: I build my wmdockapplet for cadeau on my laptop :- |
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| 00:54.40 | MatBoy | itchi, hehe, I asked a girlfriend last year... she had other stuff to do :P |
| 00:54.56 | MatBoy | ok, she is a BIATCH... so |
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| 01:10.09 | Azar | well hello honorables |
| 01:10.16 | Azar | dpkg Happy New Year |
| 01:10.16 | dpkg | happy gnu year, azar |
| 01:10.26 | Azar | oh sure |
| 01:13.03 | dan2 | aye |
| 01:13.11 | dan2 | my cursor is locked |
| 01:13.14 | dan2 | can move it |
| 01:13.19 | dan2 | but can't click on anything |
| 01:13.26 | dan2 | everything works fine from keyboard |
| 01:13.35 | dan2 | any idea how I can unlock it |
| 01:14.04 | robin_sz | bah, this courier authdaemon is begining to bug me |
| 01:15.36 | Azar | dan2: is a hardware issue or you think is from X ? |
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| 01:16.04 | weirdo | heya |
| 01:16.23 | dan2 | Azar: it's definitely X issue/ GTK issue ... |
| 01:16.26 | dan2 | somewhere inside X |
| 01:16.26 | weirdo | are there any vm-bug-fixed kernel packages for etch available? |
| 01:16.30 | Azar | dan2: try your mouse on another box if you can, or a friend's box and if it is ok, then dpkg-reconfigure your xserver |
| 01:16.41 | dan2 | Azar: the mouse is fine |
| 01:16.43 | dan2 | I can move it |
| 01:16.45 | dan2 | works in the console |
| 01:16.55 | Azar | !drxx |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 01:17.01 | Azar | fiddle with that one dan2 |
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| 01:17.46 | dan2 | Azar: it just happened so suddenly |
| 01:17.51 | dan2 | I was using for over a day |
| 01:17.55 | dan2 | it's happened before |
| 01:17.59 | dan2 | usually X restart fixes it |
| 01:18.06 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 01:18.07 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 01:18.11 | Guerin | dpkg: ↑ |
| 01:18.16 | Guerin | dan2: ↑ |
| 01:18.26 | Azar | I never had issues with the mouse, might be the new buggy xorg |
| 01:18.34 | Azar | hi guerin! |
| 01:18.40 | Guerin | Azar: kia ora |
| 01:18.54 | dan2 | Azar: I think it's gtk |
| 01:18.56 | dan2 | not xorg |
| 01:19.02 | dan2 | I'm also on amd64 |
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| 01:19.08 | dan2 | I've found that GTK applications have been breaking a lot |
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| 01:19.12 | dan2 | including gnome |
| 01:19.34 | Azar | dan2: one more and more reason for me not to use bloated buggy desktops :) |
| 01:19.47 | dan2 | kde works fine |
| 01:19.54 | dan2 | Azar: dual core 64 bit is FAST |
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| 01:20.09 | Azar | this box runs from the moment I installed Debian on it, back in february not a squeak... |
| 01:20.26 | dan2 | this is definitely not X related |
| 01:20.45 | Mark_Iron | gn8 |
| 01:20.49 | Azar | dan2: my lifestyle goes slow, I am happy this way, my PC is not old but not screaming new.. I am such a flat soda |
| 01:21.33 | wastrel | hi |
| 01:21.36 | Azar | dan2 you are right running weird applications might lead to breakage .. |
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| 01:22.02 | Azar | wait a second: dual core is a bore |
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| 01:22.46 | Azar | dual core and gentoo myths: they are "said" to be fast |
| 01:22.47 | dan2 | Azar: it's definitely gtk |
| 01:22.55 | Azar | Gnea!!! :) |
| 01:22.59 | dan2 | Azar: dual core 64 is fast |
| 01:23.11 | Azar | dan2 who told you that? |
| 01:23.12 | dan2 | gentoo is slow |
| 01:23.17 | dan2 | Azar: I'm on a dual core 64 |
| 01:23.22 | Azar | define "fast" |
| 01:23.31 | dan2 | Azar: java starts in under 5 minutes |
| 01:23.59 | Azar | ookk, well I never used java if it running faster for you ok, what else? |
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| 01:24.28 | Azar | dual core on the old level2 cache? |
| 01:25.11 | Azar | I read all over manufacturers misleading people with dual core to suck a quick buck |
| 01:25.46 | Azar | now that the prices went down on the athlons and such they come up with dual core and added few more hundreds to their merchandise |
| 01:25.54 | schme | Is the second core much use for the average user anyhoo? |
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| 01:26.30 | unseensoul | hi |
| 01:26.37 | Azar | average user who wanks in chat rooms and msn, will not feel much difference but only to brag to their friends that they got a dual core thing |
| 01:27.08 | Azar | wait 2008 to see how the ddr memory goes |
| 01:27.33 | schme | That's how I feel... I only really run one process that uses all the horse power.. everything else is just ... nothing. A second core makes little sense (: |
| 01:27.42 | schme | Dual core memory |
| 01:27.55 | Azar | one cpu, two cpu quad cpu don't mean a thing without memory improvement |
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| 01:28.14 | Azar | right, memory |
| 01:28.35 | Azar | and after ten years we still hang on x86 arch.... |
| 01:28.38 | schme | Kinda like 64 bit in the first place. It sounds cool.. but does it matter with the 1 GB memory ? |
| 01:29.21 | Azar | if Id do graphics for a living, well then yes I would spend thousands on the latest and the greatest |
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| 01:29.41 | Azar | aw sorry, I am a moron I hurt him |
| 01:30.16 | Azar | 64... well it might be ok, but I don't feel ready for it |
| 01:30.38 | Azar | I mean who is ready for it? how much software can we find for it? |
| 01:30.56 | wastrel | bye |
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| 01:31.40 | schme | I bought a athlon 64 last year some time. It was no difference running 64bit debian or 32bit.. except the random locking up and some packages needing chroot. Software isn't quite made for it, ya |
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| 01:33.31 | teledyn_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_2_duo |
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| 01:34.34 | mmlj4 | is there a wizard to set up my network? or what are the relevant files I can edit, please? |
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| 01:37.59 | predder | I assume "set up my network" means configure your network address? If so edit /etc/network/interfaces and the second line in /etc/hosts |
| 01:38.21 | teledyn_ | mmlj4: man interfaces |
| 01:39.08 | itchi | I have a duo core 1,6HGz - 2MB cache each, centrino :-) Kinda nice to work on it :-p |
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| 01:39.32 | czr | 64 is ok for real work |
| 01:39.38 | robin_sz | brilliant, courier is now deliviering my mail to ~/Maildir ... except in mailfile rather than Maildir format :( |
| 01:39.39 | czr | not maybe for home user desktop stuff |
| 01:39.51 | itchi | ... and it's a laptop :-) |
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| 01:40.20 | itchi | Yeah, my desktop is 3 times slower haha |
| 01:40.20 | robin_sz | email is always so difficult |
| 01:40.39 | schme | I suppose with a dual core I could run two gnubg at the same time |
| 01:41.57 | itchi | schme: I do some little code, baaa, i learn it |
| 01:42.08 | schme | itchi: hehe |
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| 01:42.12 | teledyn_ | itchi: are HGz Higagertz? :-) |
| 01:42.37 | itchi | teledyn_: Yeah, somethings many more ;-) is a typo |
| 01:43.39 | teledyn_ | interesting the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core article notes some drawbacks to that design, but not in the Core 2 article |
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| 01:44.52 | czr | teledyn_, there are drawbacks to any design :-) |
| 01:44.59 | Azar | teledyn_: right, I have been reading about dual core from back in february |
| 01:45.06 | Azar | http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1798/ |
| 01:45.17 | Azar | that's one of the comments on it ^^^ |
| 01:45.34 | multi_io | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-167233195342018803&q=computer+chronicles |
| 01:45.41 | Azar | I prefer the AMD FX 939 series over any dual core at this time |
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| 01:46.49 | Azar | my dream back in August was to get an amd athlon 3400 that was THE thing, alas, it was too late |
| 01:47.28 | Azar | so I settled for an amd 3700 that is not bad, but is not the 3400 I wanted |
| 01:48.26 | teledyn_ | multi_io: "Will UNIX become the next MS-DOS?" ? how old is that? |
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| 01:49.08 | multi_io | teledyn_: 1985 |
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| 01:52.24 | chuckfromchan | how do i change internet setting like ip address and router and such via command line? |
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| 01:53.07 | LightKnight | chuckfromchan: man 5 interfaces, man route |
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| 01:56.01 | chuckfromchan | ok thanks, i restart and see if it works |
| 01:56.33 | multi_io | chuckfromchan: you don't really need to restart |
| 01:56.39 | chuckfromchan | too late :P |
| 01:57.09 | multi_io | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.13 | multi_io | next time :P |
| 01:57.33 | Azar | hahaha well this article does it call it like it is: Bunch of amd cpus tortured to death: dual/single core compairson: dual core is 3% slower than the FX http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35901 |
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| 01:57.54 | Guerin | EWHOCARES |
| 01:57.59 | chuckfromchan | w00t it works |
| 01:58.09 | chuckfromchan | thanks LightKnight |
| 01:58.11 | Azar | Guerin, you |
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| 01:58.12 | wakejagr | taggy |
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| 01:59.36 | Azar | you know what's sad: hard to find single core around, only maybe in E-machines or if you buy parts and make your own. and amd got rid of 939 series.. |
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| 01:59.58 | roue | hola |
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| 02:00.26 | roue | I'm trying to build mplayer with the opengl rendering on etch. what package to I need to install to get the opengl dev headers etc? thanks. |
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| 02:01.42 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:01.42 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is only in Debian unstable. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 02:02.09 | roue | thanks. |
| 02:02.14 | schme | roue: check the ./configure output and see what libs it needs ... ? |
| 02:02.33 | roue | I'm building mplayer from source (as I have with sarge). It builds fine except that it doesn't think I've got opengl install. |
| 02:02.41 | roue | schme thanks. will do. |
| 02:02.56 | multi_io | roue: look into config.log to see why it thinks that |
| 02:02.59 | schme | roue: and maybe do a search for what packages include them and what not |
| 02:03.07 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | roue: there already are packages available |
| 02:04.18 | mc__ | roue: you're probably missing some dev libs |
| 02:04.29 | Azar | hehehe fancy news |
| 02:04.37 | Azar | abrotman hi :) |
| 02:04.38 | roue | looks like mesa-common-dev |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:04.49 | roue | I'm installing now. hopefully that's it. |
| 02:05.23 | Azar | holy cow 2.6.19 has over 500 bugs .. I guess this gonna take few good months.. |
| 02:05.40 | schme | roue: auto-apt might be a way too |
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| 02:06.04 | mc__ | roue: or fglrx-driver-dev/nvidia-glx-dev |
| 02:06.17 | roue | i've got the fglrx driver installed. |
| 02:06.22 | roue | ah. but maybe not the dev. |
| 02:06.24 | roue | thanks. |
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| 02:07.30 | Azar | myth or truth: is it true that if one uses "aptitude install" instead of "apt-get install" for a package all that package's relatives get pulled with it? |
| 02:07.47 | LightKnight | relatives? |
| 02:08.20 | Azar | well sort of saying... friends and relatives |
| 02:09.02 | schme | recommended packages ? |
| 02:09.11 | Azar | scheme yes |
| 02:09.26 | schme | hrm... that sounds horrible |
| 02:09.53 | cb | http://jesusch.de/~jesusch/doc/aptitude.txt |
| 02:10.07 | roue | thanks for your help. |
| 02:10.09 | Azar | well, I noticed when I use apt-get I get recommendations to relatives but then I take a pen and paper and write them down so I can add them too |
| 02:10.10 | mmlj4 | how to make my default route stick after reboot? |
| 02:10.17 | roue | still not there yet, but I'm going to reboot and try again. |
| 02:10.44 | schme | Azar: perhaps there is an option to do it automagically. If it did it by default it'd be horrible |
| 02:10.51 | Azar | so whats more horrible, installing a package, the installing the recommends, then installing the recommends of the recommends.. ? |
| 02:11.37 | schme | hehehe. |
| 02:12.00 | schme | You'd end up with everything :) |
| 02:12.07 | Azar | hmmm I am not sure if aptitude installs, tho I have seen installing the package I requested and some two, three others with it... then when I remove it it removes its relatives as well.. |
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| 02:12.59 | Azar | schme: I am sure there is a way to tell aptitude not to install all..others.. but then it might give you warnings about dependencies |
| 02:13.21 | schme | from what I understood aptitude is great att removing dependencies when you deinstall... |
| 02:14.53 | joan | Hi, I have a p4 with 2GB RAM then i successfuly installed debian 3.1 but why do i see only 906,736 (1GB) when i run the free command??? |
| 02:14.54 | Azar | meine liebe cb: that link is dead.. at least on my browser |
| 02:15.01 | schme | ya.. there are options for recommends.. --without-recommends and --with-recommends |
| 02:15.28 | Givade | gn8 |
| 02:15.30 | Azar | joan: thats not your all memory "you see" is just the temp memory you use.. |
| 02:15.33 | cb | never try german again dude :-) |
| 02:15.56 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.59 | Azar | :) |
| 02:16.16 | cb | omfg |
| 02:16.49 | Azar | not my fault that some niederoesterrichers corrupted my sprache |
| 02:16.53 | multi_io | is anyone using apt-build? |
| 02:16.57 | joan | Thanks, oic, so i do not have to worry about that when using the free command? so what is the best cmd to get to display the memory i ahve? |
| 02:17.01 | multi_io | ..may even as non-root? |
| 02:17.05 | multi_io | *maybe |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | joan: cat /proc/version |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | joan: ? |
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| 02:20.36 | joan | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | joan: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | joan: azar misspoke .. the 2.6 -386 kernels can only address 1GB of RAM |
| 02:21.29 | itchi | joan: I think the kernel you use is build without /many/ merory support; |
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| 02:22.21 | joan | oic, how could ive not check that 386 stuff :), im off to install it and let you know guys. Thanks |
| 02:22.53 | itchi | joan: Just aptitude install foo; reboot; done |
| 02:22.58 | joan | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 02:23.04 | joan | ooops |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | joan: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 .. that exact command |
| 02:23.52 | joan | abortman: i dont need to specify the minor version, to get the latest image? 2.6.8-x ??? |
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| 02:23.56 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | the one i told you is a metapackage |
| 02:24.47 | joan | abrotman: got it, i understand now. it actually gets the latest 2.6.8-3 :) |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | yes .. and if a -4 comes .. it will autoget that |
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| 02:29.27 | predder | when I created the filesystem on the software raid device for my debian based fileserver I noticed it reserves 5% of space for the superuser account. Is there any way to change this after the fact? |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | tune2fs |
| 02:29.43 | predder | 5% of 1.5tb is a fair bit of space :S |
| 02:29.45 | predder | thanks |
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| 02:33.54 | Azar | mm nice : "effectively forked" that would sound good on our topic re: ubuntu. |
| 02:33.59 | joan | while waiting for my kernel update, i just want to ask if anyone has successfully compled/installed from source request-tracker 3.6.3. I want to use purely debian 3.1 & apache2 (e.g apache2,libapr0,libdbm, etc) and then compile from source the latest rt-3.6.3 |
| 02:34.59 | Azar | ew, not good to fiddle with the stable forcing packages in non-debian way -- use backports |
| 02:35.15 | Guerin | joan: you can use checkinstall or such to trivially build a debian package from upstream source, or if it's available in debian unstable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 02:38.02 | eitan | is abrotman here? |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | NO |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | yes :) |
| 02:38.29 | HomeRoey | hey eitan, abrotman |
| 02:38.36 | HomeRoey | what's going on dis here side |
| 02:38.36 | abrotman | hi roey |
| 02:38.39 | HomeRoey | hey hey |
| 02:38.41 | eitan | abrotman: I need more help if you're willing |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | go ahead and ask |
| 02:38.48 | eitan | Hello HomeRoey |
| 02:38.56 | HomeRoey | mamatzav eitan |
| 02:39.23 | eitan | yeshli tzarot |
| 02:39.36 | joan | hmm, i dit not quite get that dpkg simple sid backport. actually i saw this http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?DebianStableInstallGuide but its not using apache2. also for the backports i think they dont have the 3.6.3 yet |
| 02:39.37 | HomeRoey | ma bidyuk? |
| 02:39.45 | HomeRoey | eitan: what's wrong? |
| 02:39.50 | eitan | im ha zip drive sheli |
| 02:39.59 | HomeRoey | in debian? |
| 02:40.03 | eitan | in debian |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | zip drive doesn't sound hebrew |
| 02:40.07 | HomeRoey | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:40.14 | Azar | joan: you could check the packgages list to see if is there |
| 02:40.25 | HomeRoey | eitan: ENOCOMPRENDO |
| 02:40.44 | HomeRoey | eitan: what's wrong with it in Debian (I'm assuming you're trying to use it under Debian) |
| 02:40.51 | eitan | Who wants to give this one a go? Abrotman or Homeroey? |
| 02:40.57 | eitan | Ok... first... |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | just ask all of us |
| 02:41.17 | Guerin | joan: that install guide is written by someone who doesn't understand debian, avoid it |
| 02:41.17 | eitan | I engaged multi_io yesterday about this... and using some tips from him... I finally got it going. |
| 02:41.21 | eitan | Then I rebooted... |
| 02:41.23 | Roey | ok |
| 02:41.30 | eitan | and it all went back to not working again. |
| 02:41.37 | michael117 | Can Grub boot LVM partitions? |
| 02:41.43 | Guerin | joan: or follow it, using dh-make-perl instead of cpan, and checkinstall instead of plain make |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | michael117: yes and no |
| 02:42.08 | Roey | eitan: well what did you do that made it work originally? |
| 02:42.10 | michael117 | If an entire disk is LVM, including all root and boot partitions |
| 02:42.15 | Roey | I sound like Eliza, fuck. |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | michael117: i think in sarge no .. in etch/sid .. i think yes |
| 02:42.27 | eitan | I whole bunch of things... but they don't seem to do the trick anymore. |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | eitan: modprobe ide-scsi ? |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | though .. should be an ide device |
| 02:42.40 | eitan | I modprobed fat, vfat, and ide-scsi.... yes. |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | eitan: paste dmesg somewhere |
| 02:42.45 | Roey | ok |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:42.46 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:43.26 | eitan | Then I created a mountpoint with mkdir /media/zip250.0 |
| 02:43.26 | eitan | then I did a mknod /dev/hdd4 b 22 68 |
| 02:43.54 | eitan | Then I did a mount: mount /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 |
| 02:44.44 | eitan | Then I added an entry in fstab: /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 auto rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:44.57 | eitan | that worked. |
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| 02:45.05 | eitan | Now it doesn't work anymore.... what's strange is that... |
| 02:45.20 | eitan | the hdd4 node that I created in dev didn't exist after the reboot... |
| 02:45.26 | michael117 | abrotman: Actually, I use Ubuntu on my desktop machine because it's just simple, but it does not seem to have separate partitions for boot and root but I would like to convert the entire disk into an 8e Linux LVM partition, but I'm not sure if this would work with Grub properly because I'm not sure at what level LVM support is loaded |
| 02:45.29 | eitan | in fact all of the hdd's disappeared. |
| 02:45.36 | Azar | eitan I think I have a zip drive like that is a scsi one.. |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | michael117: theny ou should ask #ubuntu .. i don't know jack about their grub |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | or even #lvm or ##linux |
| 02:46.10 | michael117 | abrotman: I'm afraid they are dumbasses there, so I have come to the mighty #debian |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | michael117: that's nice .. we still can't help you |
| 02:46.28 | michael117 | :-/ |
| 02:46.36 | Azar | michael117: ubuntu is not debian, just an "effective fork" that uses their stuff in another way than debian |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | i don't know anything about the versions of grub or lvm in ubuntu |
| 02:47.35 | eitan | did all forget about me? |
| 02:47.38 | Azar | michael117: I guess everything made in ubuntu is different |
| 02:47.40 | michael117 | I'm aware, but their channel is filled with many more newbies and I'm not able to ever get adequate support and debian is similar |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | eitan: i asked for a dmesg paste |
| 02:47.56 | eitan | I didn't see that... wait |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | michael117: sure it is .. just like mandrake and redhat .. but that doesn't help you here .. you need to ask them or #lvm or ##linux or #grub |
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| 02:48.56 | abrotman | michael117: Ubuntu is offtopic in #debian .. so please go to #ubuntu |
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| 02:50.32 | eitan | where to? |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:50.36 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:51.23 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4978 |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | eitan: your drive is already there |
| 02:52.03 | deb_noob | is it possible to install opengl for wine? |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | eitan: it's hdd |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | no extra drivers needed |
| 02:52.15 | eitan | ya... but it doesn't mount the zip disks. |
| 02:52.55 | eitan | ... ya well last time I tried to make it hdd multi_io scolded me and said I needed to make it hdd4 because zip disks always have their leading partition as 4 . |
| 02:52.57 | joan | Thank you guys for your help, its now working, free total memory is now 2076092 yehey! |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hdd .. what does it say |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | as root |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | joan: enjoy |
| 02:53.25 | eitan | whatever |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | eitan: ? |
| 02:53.43 | deb_noob | does anyone know if wine can install opengl? |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | ask #wine |
| 02:53.53 | eitan | didley squat |
| 02:53.56 | eitan | nothing |
| 02:54.08 | joan | now, ill have two new more question hahaha :) |
| 02:54.13 | eitan | no response |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | eitan: as root ? |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | eitan: is there a disk in the zip drive ? |
| 02:54.30 | eitan | yes and yes |
| 02:54.41 | abrotman | !zip |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | well, zip is the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PK-Zip. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them. |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 02:54.45 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 02:54.45 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | does /dev/hdd even exist ? |
| 02:55.18 | eitan | How am I supposed to answer that? |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ZIP-Drive.html |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | eitan: ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | eitan: modprobe imm .. see if it works after that |
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| 02:56.19 | eitan | epc:/# ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 02:56.19 | eitan | ls: /dev/hdd: No such file or directory |
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| 02:56.42 | eitan | epc:/# modprobe imm |
| 02:56.42 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 02:57.16 | eitan | epc:/# ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 02:57.16 | eitan | ls: /dev/hdd: No such file or director |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | eitan: read the URL above |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ZIP-Drive.html |
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| 02:58.25 | abrotman | eitan: however .. the 'imm' driver is already built for you |
| 02:58.50 | eitan | reading... wait. |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | eitan: where'd you get all this weird hardware :) |
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| 03:00.18 | abrotman | eitan: after you did the modprobe imm .. anything new in dmesg ? |
| 03:01.52 | deb_noob | abrotman: nobody is in #wine |
| 03:01.57 | deb_noob | it said one user |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | deb_noob: oh .. #winehq .. |
| 03:02.12 | joan | related to my rt question, on 3.1 it only has request-tracker3.4 available when i aptsearch but i can see this url on the web http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/request-tracker3.6/. is the latter url for the debian developers only? |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | joan: that's in newer versions of debian |
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| 03:03.53 | joan | im just confused, why i see from debian pool request-tracker3.6, when u say newer its not debian 3.1r4 but instead the unstable? |
| 03:04.18 | eitan | I'm still reading the instructions... wierd hardware? A zip drive is wierd? |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | well . it's not as bad as LS120 :) |
| 03:05.42 | medc | hello |
| 03:05.55 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4979 |
| 03:06.01 | medc | where can i look for if debian has support for the MX700 trackball of logitech? |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | anything special about it ? |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | eitan: are the ide-scsi and imm modules both loaded ? |
| 03:07.50 | deb_noob | do we have an opengl package |
| 03:07.52 | deb_noob | libgl |
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| 03:08.47 | deb_noob | how can I install opengl? |
| 03:08.51 | deb_noob | or libgl |
| 03:08.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 03:09.50 | deb_noob | a bunch of stuff comes up in the search |
| 03:10.30 | eitan | abrotman: yes |
| 03:10.37 | Azar | deb_noob: from that bunch pick the packge you want and spell a cast: aptitude install <thepackageyoupicked> |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | eitan: and still can't get it working ? |
| 03:11.10 | eitan | no |
| 03:11.17 | eitan | this thing is very touchy and stubborn |
| 03:11.32 | deb_noob | Azar: how do i know which is the actual opengl support? |
| 03:11.43 | deb_noob | abrotman: ? |
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| 03:12.15 | abrotman | eitan: sholdn't be that hard .. they're ancient |
| 03:12.15 | Azar | deb_noob: the "ap-cache" gives you a list of packages that are "good" for your distro. No miss there |
| 03:13.24 | Azar | deb_noob: apt-cache search <package> shows you if the package you want is there for you. aptitude install <package> installs it |
| 03:14.00 | eitan | ok... I'm going to try something else and see if that works... wait. |
| 03:15.29 | eitan | still nothing. |
| 03:15.52 | eitan | abrotman: if you can help me with this, and we do a 1:1 chat? |
| 03:16.09 | eitan | I mean can we do a 1:1 chat? |
| 03:16.18 | abrotman | you can ask here .. i know very little about zip drives |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | i haven't seen one in .. 7 years ? |
| 03:16.27 | eitan | .... ugh... |
| 03:16.30 | eitan | ok... |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | god i'm old :) |
| 03:16.41 | factotum | hah, i had one back in 98 or so |
| 03:17.09 | eitan | how do you pass around large files that don't fit on floppies when you don't want to use the internet and you don't want to burn a cd? |
| 03:17.27 | schme | burn a dvd.. or split 'em |
| 03:17.32 | factotum | forget the zip drive. just get a dvd burner theyre cheap |
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| 03:17.52 | schme | eitan: man split |
| 03:17.57 | abrotman | pass around where ? |
| 03:18.15 | eitan | I don't know... carry it with you... bring it to another computer... whatever |
| 03:18.33 | factotum | yeah split is nice, still makes use of some floppies i have laying around when i dont want to waste a whole cd for a couple megs |
| 03:18.35 | eitan | zip disks are very robust... cd's and dvd's are comparatively delicate |
| 03:18.58 | eitan | I'm not going to use 200 floppies to save a 250 megabyte file! |
| 03:19.02 | eitan | please |
| 03:19.21 | factotum | hah, thats why i said a couple of megs |
| 03:19.29 | eitan | Why don't you just suggest I print out the files and carry around a truckload of printouts? |
| 03:19.29 | schme | You have a zip drive? |
| 03:19.30 | factotum | for 250 id just use a cd |
| 03:19.48 | abrotman | CDRW! |
| 03:19.51 | eitan | Don't want to burn a disk... no. |
| 03:19.57 | schme | you could use split with a zip drive |
| 03:19.58 | eitan | no burning. |
| 03:20.02 | abrotman | schme: i blame McNealy |
| 03:20.09 | eitan | I can't use split if I can't mount the disk1 |
| 03:20.10 | eitan | ! |
| 03:20.19 | schme | aaah |
| 03:20.27 | schme | abrotman: McNealy who dat? |
| 03:20.30 | factotum | anyways ive seen zip drive howtos floating around the net for the last 10 years, i had one running in redhat 6 when that was around |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | schme: Sun guy ... |
| 03:20.50 | factotum | just search, they are all practicaly ver batim |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | factotum: yeah .. i can't imagine it's changed much |
| 03:20.54 | schme | oh zip drive problems |
| 03:20.58 | eitan | ok... fine ... granted... can anyone five me a step by step on this? |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | eitan: you're sure the zip disk has data right ? |
| 03:21.14 | schme | abrotman: Should I google or will you fill me in what he did to my CDs.. and while I was typing that I got it. nevermind :D |
| 03:21.25 | abrotman | schme: the Sun did it |
| 03:21.28 | abrotman | hehe :) |
| 03:21.28 | eitan | It's like "can anyone help me solve this problem? .... answer "sure, that's easy... figure it out for yourself." |
| 03:21.31 | eitan | a lot of help that is. |
| 03:21.40 | eitan | yes |
| 03:21.52 | schme | eitan: welcome to #debian |
| 03:21.57 | eitan | no kidding |
| 03:22.28 | factotum | well in the time weve been sitting here watching you type, ive found a few how-tos on how its set up |
| 03:22.28 | schme | I can't be bothered to scroll back to read thru it all :S |
| 03:22.28 | eitan | ya... but do they work? gimmie em |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | factotum: i think he's saying he's tried .. and they aren't working |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | the tldp has already been shared |
| 03:22.38 | factotum | oh alright |
| 03:22.52 | eitan | Let me ask you this... |
| 03:23.20 | abrotman | Riddle me this .. |
| 03:23.23 | eitan | the offical iomega procedures say I should be using a mount from /dev/sda4 |
| 03:23.39 | eitan | I've been trying to use /dev/hdd4 with success only once before a reboot |
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| 03:24.11 | eitan | My dev dir does not have an sda4... just an sda and debian associates the zip drive with hdd not with sda |
| 03:24.13 | factotum | is it IDE or SCSI or what? |
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| 03:24.23 | abrotman | eitan: you made that sda4 with mknod |
| 03:24.34 | schme | zip drives pretend to be scsi either way, no ? |
| 03:24.48 | Azar | I use an iomega zip drive on some older PC no problems but some reported some horror stories about it |
| 03:24.49 | factotum | usually yet, scsi emu |
| 03:24.52 | eitan | ... ya but I did that before... and guess what... after a reboot, the hdd4 file disappeared! |
| 03:24.57 | factotum | yet/yes |
| 03:25.09 | Azar | iomega is a scsi |
| 03:25.11 | factotum | hdd4/////file? |
| 03:25.18 | schme | I had one years ago.. back in kernel 2.0 I think. Plugged it into the parallel port. Anything I did probably does not apply now |
| 03:25.23 | eitan | without the slashes |
| 03:25.48 | eitan | I'm using atapi not parallel |
| 03:25.52 | factotum | you mean the mount point? What does your fstab look like? |
| 03:26.09 | eitan | the last working fstab looked like this: |
| 03:26.35 | eitan | /dev/hdd4/media/zip250.0autorw,users,noauto00 |
| 03:26.54 | factotum | so /dev/hdd4 is gone? |
| 03:27.21 | eitan | it went bye bye... I made a new one... chowned it and chmodded it with no success |
| 03:27.31 | Azar | eitan did you ever used jazip? |
| 03:27.38 | eitan | Isn't that odd? debian deleted the hdd4 file after a reboot. |
| 03:27.43 | abrotman | no |
| 03:28.01 | eitan | I installed jazip after this fiasco and I can't seem to figure out how to execute that. |
| 03:28.58 | ThePub | is there such a thing as an X font bigger than 9x15 but smaller than 12x24 in the default line? :( |
| 03:30.15 | eitan | epc:/# jazip |
| 03:30.15 | eitan | Can't open device /dev/sda. |
| 03:30.15 | eitan | Is there a disk in the drive? |
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| 03:32.34 | eitan | epc:/# mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/zip250.0 |
| 03:32.34 | eitan | mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 03:33.00 | eitan | debian = zip disk killer |
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| 03:33.53 | schme | are all the right modules loaded? |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | eitan: fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 03:34.08 | eitan | what are the right modules? |
| 03:34.22 | schme | beats me. |
| 03:34.27 | eitan | epc:/# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 03:34.27 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 03:34.41 | abrotman | eitan: lsscsi |
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| 03:34.56 | Azar | eitan: hmmm you might want to look at modconf tons of modules there and figure out yours |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | you might have to install lsscsi |
| 03:35.19 | eitan | epc:/# lsscsi |
| 03:35.19 | eitan | bash: lsscsi: command not found |
| 03:35.28 | schme | ppa and lp .. ? |
| 03:35.33 | Azar | eitan: "install" is the keyword |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | install it |
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| 03:35.38 | eitan | it's not a parallel drive... it's atapi |
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| 03:36.32 | schme | eitan: does it show up in dmesg ? |
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| 03:36.48 | abrotman | schme: yes |
| 03:36.51 | schme | ok |
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| 03:37.01 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4979 |
| 03:37.37 | schme | oh ya there it is |
| 03:38.44 | eitan | I'm having trouble... |
| 03:38.46 | Azar | what about scsi_mod and sd_mod modules? you have them? |
| 03:38.47 | eitan | wait... |
| 03:39.32 | eitan | epc:/# apt-get lsscsi |
| 03:39.32 | eitan | E: Invalid operation lsscsi |
| 03:39.38 | abrotman | apt-get install ? |
| 03:40.20 | czr | how can I get a list of installed packages so that I can feed the list for apt-get later and install all the packages mentioned in the original list? dpkg -l is too verbose |
| 03:40.35 | Azar | atapi needs the ide-floppy module I think.. |
| 03:40.40 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4980 |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | !tell czr about debian clone |
| 03:40.58 | eitan | oh woops |
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| 03:41.38 | eitan | epc:/# apt-get install lsscsi |
| 03:41.39 | eitan | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 03:41.39 | eitan | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 03:41.39 | eitan | epc:/# |
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| 03:41.52 | eitan | I'm back. |
| 03:42.08 | jazz_ | anyone have any clue how to modify a nvidia-kernel that was put in via apt-get? it runs great but it tries to load EVERYTHING and i gotta trim the fat |
| 03:42.12 | abrotman | you've got it locked somewhere else |
| 03:42.26 | eitan | I have no idea where. |
| 03:42.56 | abrotman | you're running apt-get or aptitude somewhere else |
| 03:43.08 | czr | abrotman, must be the first time that someone answered my question directly and perfeclty :-). thank you |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | i answered you last week! |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:43.29 | czr | not directly & perfectly ;-) |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | czr: good .. now fix eitan's zip drive :) |
| 03:43.47 | czr | which question was it? related to apt-get/dpkg? |
| 03:43.56 | czr | with the zero-filling stuff? |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | i don't remember |
| 03:44.20 | czr | me neither. but must have been one of those. there was no answer for the question anyway. ended up making software to solve the problem. |
| 03:44.28 | jazz_ | can anyone tell me how to mod my apt-get installed kernel? |
| 03:44.36 | abrotman | mod it ? |
| 03:44.42 | jazz_ | i tried make xconfig in /usr/src/linux but it does not work |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | czr: to zero fill a file ? |
| 03:44.55 | czr | abrotman, yeah. |
| 03:44.58 | jazz_ | i ened to make it smaller, it tries to laod everything |
| 03:45.04 | eitan | I'm not running apt get or aptitude anywhere |
| 03:45.14 | czr | the problem: how to make dpkg/apt-get fill files that they remove with binary zero just before the files are removed. |
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| 03:45.19 | abrotman | czr: empty a file .. or make it all zeros ? |
| 03:45.32 | czr | sounds silly I know, but helps keeping virtual machine disks in better shape (compress better) |
| 03:45.32 | abrotman | czr: oh .. libshred perhaps ? |
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| 03:45.40 | eitan | argh! |
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| 03:45.46 | jazz_ | i tried a custom kernel but i always have an issue with grub and the nvidia driver is never implemented properly. but with the apt-get nvidia kernel everything loads fine, but it also loads everything |
| 03:46.02 | czr | abrotman, libshred? |
| 03:46.12 | Azar | eitan, you never ran apt-get install before? |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | eitan: look in /var/lock/ |
| 03:46.32 | eitan | yes... but they're not running now |
| 03:46.45 | Azar | eitan, as root? |
| 03:46.49 | abrotman | czr: man shred |
| 03:46.51 | eitan | epc:/var/lock# ls -l |
| 03:46.51 | eitan | total 0 |
| 03:47.08 | eitan | as root |
| 03:47.23 | abrotman | check /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:48.24 | eitan | a whole bunch of stuff is listed... what am I looking for? |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | a lock file |
| 03:48.52 | abrotman | a file named 'lock' |
| 03:48.52 | eitan | yes ... there's a lock file |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | remove it |
| 03:49.08 | czr | abrotman, well, in theory yes. but the problem was that it is pretty trivial to "zerofill" and existing file and remove it (with shred or other tools). the real problem was integrating that functionality into dpkg/apt-get |
| 03:49.13 | czr | and localepurge |
| 03:49.14 | eitan | did that. |
| 03:49.19 | eitan | apt-get still doesn't work |
| 03:49.26 | abrotman | czr: yeah ... |
| 03:49.33 | Azar | eitan save the file after you remove the lock |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | ps aux | grep apt |
| 03:49.42 | eitan | save what file? |
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| 03:50.18 | abrotman | czr: i think i've seen somewhere a patch that will cause what you're asking to always happen .. for all deleted files |
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| 03:50.32 | eitan | a lot of things are showing up... what am I looking for? |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | oh wait .. that was libtrash |
| 03:50.40 | Azar | eitan, for apt |
| 03:50.42 | abrotman | which isn't what you were asking about |
| 03:50.54 | czr | abrotman, well, I implemented a generic solution to the problem |
| 03:51.01 | czr | which also works with apt-get/dpkg whatnot. |
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| 03:51.10 | abrotman | czr: i was thinking of libtrash .. which is like the recycle bin crap in windows ... which isn't at all what you wanted |
| 03:51.15 | czr | no need to modify existing software |
| 03:51.44 | Azar | eitan when you say that apt-get install does not work , does it show you something ? or just nothing happens? |
| 03:51.48 | czr | and pretty simple to setup. if you want some program to "use" the feature, you create one symlink. that's it :-) |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | czr: you could file a wishlist bug to have the 'feature' added |
| 03:52.34 | eitan | apt-get install lsscsi |
| 03:52.34 | eitan | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 03:52.34 | eitan | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 03:52.44 | Azar | :) it works |
| 03:52.48 | eitan | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 03:52.49 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.49 | eitan | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 03:52.58 | czr | abrotman, it's too late. the generic software is already implemented |
| 03:53.03 | eitan | Need to get 0B/11.3kB of archives. |
| 03:53.03 | eitan | After unpacking 73.7kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 03:53.03 | eitan | 0% [Working] |
| 03:53.09 | eitan | it's stalled right there... |
| 03:53.11 | czr | abrotman, although I did read through a lot of dpkg/apt-get source code in the process |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | czr: i realize that ... but it's not a horrible feature request |
| 03:53.20 | czr | abrotman, trying to figure out whether hooks could be possible |
| 03:53.30 | abrotman | czr: did you patch apt-get/dpkg ? |
| 03:53.35 | czr | no. |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:53.41 | czr | that's they beauty of this |
| 03:53.41 | Azar | hmmmm the mirror maybe? |
| 03:53.52 | czr | no changes to existing software required. no rebuilding either. |
| 03:53.53 | eitan | I control c'd it. |
| 03:53.53 | abrotman | czr: dunno .. submit a feature request if you'd like to see it on all systems |
| 03:53.54 | czr | plug-and-play |
| 03:54.02 | eitan | epc:/# lsscsi |
| 03:54.02 | eitan | bash: lsscsi: command not found |
| 03:54.18 | czr | abrotman, I might later on. I need to get the software published first |
| 03:54.22 | Azar | eitan lsscsi is a package, not a command |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | Azar: it's both |
| 03:54.29 | czr | abrotman, been publishing it for the last 4 days. "real soon now" ;-) |
| 03:54.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:54.38 | czr | but ran into a small misfeature while testing on ia-64. |
| 03:54.38 | eitan | same *$!@#* |
| 03:54.39 | Azar | abrotman: ah? |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | !info lsscsi sarge |
| 03:54.53 | dpkg | lsscsi: (list all SCSI devices (or hosts) currently on system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.14-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 03:54.54 | eitan | ok... so what am I supposed to do now? |
| 03:54.55 | czr | and also spent two days writing a documentation generator since I abhor writing html/xhtml manually. |
| 03:54.59 | Azar | abrotman, his installation stalls |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | try another mirror ? |
| 03:55.49 | Azar | how he can get a list of mirrors? apt setup? |
| 03:55.56 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 03:56.12 | Azar | eitan ^^^^^^ |
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| 03:56.57 | wookienz | how do i add in mod_rewrite to apache if it isnt built with it included? |
| 03:57.14 | Azar | dunno man but using in fstab: /dev/sda4 /zip250 auto noauto,owner,users,rw 0 0 might work |
| 03:57.33 | czr | abrotman, what would be the proper channel to suggest the feature? |
| 03:57.49 | abrotman | czr: no channel .. bugs.debian.org/apt |
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| 03:58.04 | abrotman | czr: use reportbug to file a wishlist bug on apt and/or dpkg |
| 03:58.11 | czr | abrotman, an otoh, I'm not sure whether implementing the same feature in a bunch of programs is really what people want to do |
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| 03:58.28 | abrotman | czr: some might find it useful |
| 03:58.29 | czr | since a lot of programs could use this feature (starting from rm) |
| 03:58.38 | czr | well, I have a generic solution for people who might |
| 03:58.46 | czr | without bloating existing codebase. |
| 03:58.54 | czr | and it's GPL so. |
| 03:59.11 | czr | abrotman, I'll think about it |
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| 03:59.30 | czr | abrotman, where would I start looking for a person willing to package it for debian? |
| 03:59.39 | czr | (in order for it to be included in debian repos) |
| 03:59.41 | abrotman | czr: you can do it yourself :) |
| 03:59.55 | czr | abrotman, I have better things to do :-) |
| 04:00.07 | czr | I know how to make debs and would like to forget :-) |
| 04:00.10 | Azar | ah! abrotman lsscsi as in "ls" scsi command? |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | czr: find a DD willing to take care of it |
| 04:01.01 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:01.09 | eitan | I have a feeling that apt-get is tied up with a bad cdrom process |
| 04:01.14 | czr | dd if=/dev/zero of=package bs=34114 count=1 |
| 04:01.17 | czr | there! |
| 04:01.17 | eitan | i did ps |
| 04:01.22 | czr | package.deb even. |
| 04:01.26 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.26 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.26 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.31 | Azar | eitan, no it looks like your mirror does not work well |
| 04:01.34 | eitan | goodnight abrotman |
| 04:01.37 | czr | abrotman, thanks for the help & night :-) |
| 04:01.40 | Azar | good night mr abrotman |
| 04:01.55 | eitan | I tried to kill process 8121 and no luck. |
| 04:02.24 | Azar | eitan use the command "apt-setup" and pick another mirror address from where you can install a pacakge |
| 04:03.11 | Azar | I would not wonder if anything zip drive could be dropped as obsolete.. |
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| 04:03.31 | eitan | I did... ftp.debian.org . |
| 04:03.36 | eitan | Same problem... no luck. |
| 04:03.57 | Azar | eitan try apt: do an apt-get update see what happens |
| 04:04.21 | eitan | it did it |
| 04:04.22 | pstickne | thumb-drives (and other external storage) made zip disks almost worthless O.o |
| 04:04.27 | Azar | and it works |
| 04:04.50 | eitan | oh... thumbs... |
| 04:04.56 | eitan | ok... |
| 04:05.10 | Azar | eitan: try this: apt-get install ide-floppy |
| 04:05.32 | eitan | E: Couldn't find package ide-floppy |
| 04:05.59 | Azar | hmm try with ide_floppy |
| 04:06.30 | eitan | E: Couldn't find package ide_floppy |
| 04:07.03 | Azar | eitan: is your zip drive external ? |
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| 04:07.24 | eitan | internal |
| 04:08.37 | Azar | eitan hold on ok? |
| 04:08.53 | eitan | sure |
| 04:09.48 | multi_io | hey eitan |
| 04:09.49 | multi_io | :P |
| 04:10.03 | eitan | hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:10.07 | eitan | multi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:10.09 | multi_io | still trying to get that zip drive up&running? |
| 04:10.10 | eitan | guess what? |
| 04:10.14 | multi_io | haha |
| 04:10.17 | eitan | I finally got it working. |
| 04:10.22 | eitan | Then I rebooted... |
| 04:10.27 | eitan | and then it stopped working. |
| 04:10.32 | eitan | isn't that grand? |
| 04:10.45 | multi_io | that was yesterday, wasn'T it? |
| 04:10.56 | eitan | I think I have some rogue processes running. Muli and azar: I will reboot and come back ok? |
| 04:11.03 | Azar | eitan I have the feeling you do not know how to install look here ok? |
| 04:11.07 | Azar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4981 |
| 04:11.33 | multi_io | eitan: for killing "rogue processes" use "kill -9 number" as a last resort |
| 04:11.51 | eitan | azar: dunno what that's supposed to tell me |
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| 04:12.22 | Azar | eitan , after typing the command : aptitude install lsscsi, aptitude gives you some information and IT WAITS FOR YOU to enter y/n yes or no. Did you do that? |
| 04:12.28 | eitan | ok... now I killed my dvd drive... |
| 04:12.38 | Azar | eitan y/n ? |
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| 04:12.53 | eitan | it didn't wait for me |
| 04:12.58 | mikefoo_ | I dont have /proc/net/ip_conntrack so how can I find out my connection limit? I am getting errors that my table is full and dropping packets in dmesg, Anyone? |
| 04:13.04 | Azar | it does, that why it stops to 0 |
| 04:13.17 | Azar | it stops waiting for you to say y/n YES or NO |
| 04:13.18 | multi_io | it doesn't always wait |
| 04:13.29 | eitan | no it just hangs! |
| 04:13.35 | multi_io | depends on whether conflicts arise or something |
| 04:13.39 | Azar | it does: it tells you what is going to install and waits for your input yes or no |
| 04:13.41 | eitan | Need to get 0B/11.3kB of archives. After unpacking 73.7kB will be used. |
| 04:13.41 | eitan | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 04:13.41 | eitan | 0% [Working] |
| 04:13.44 | eitan | and it hangs! |
| 04:13.49 | eitan | I control c'd it |
| 04:14.13 | eitan | any idea why my cd rom died? |
| 04:14.21 | Azar | 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:14.21 | eitan | Can all of you wait until I reboot? |
| 04:14.27 | eitan | please? |
| 04:14.32 | Azar | ok reboot |
| 04:14.37 | multi_io | I won'T go anywhere |
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| 04:15.14 | Azar | he should get ubuntu |
| 04:15.40 | Azar | wait, maybe he runs ubuntu |
| 04:15.47 | multi_io | no he doesn't |
| 04:16.26 | multi_io | we discussed that yesterday |
| 04:16.26 | Azar | hmmmm if apt dies on an installation of a debian package, he runs ubuntu |
| 04:16.26 | multi_io | wot? :P |
| 04:16.28 | multi_io | why? |
| 04:16.38 | Azar | apt does not collect debian packages for ubuntu same goes backwards |
| 04:16.51 | Azar | hehehe he is royally screwed if he did that |
| 04:17.03 | Azar | if he runs ubuntu he broke it |
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| 04:17.20 | Azar | because debian packages will break it |
| 04:17.32 | multi_io | he asked me yesterday whether he should run Ubuntu instead of Debian |
| 04:17.44 | multi_io | so he doesn't run Ubuntu currently |
| 04:17.45 | Azar | that is my only solution: the package works / installs for me but not for him |
| 04:17.59 | multi_io | he tried to install from CD, no? |
| 04:18.04 | Azar | I tell you if he runs ubuntu he broke his entire system now |
| 04:18.18 | multi_io | ie the source was the Ubuntu CD? |
| 04:18.39 | Azar | I am gonna tell him to try install another debian package, if it does not work he has to reinstall his ubuntu and run away from here |
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| 04:20.16 | eitan | I'm back. |
| 04:20.26 | Azar | eitan if you run ubuntu all yoru OS is broken |
| 04:20.39 | eitan | huh? |
| 04:20.44 | Azar | debian packages break ubuntu |
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| 04:20.54 | Azar | just for you to know that |
| 04:20.57 | eitan | why are we talking about ubuntu? |
| 04:21.17 | Azar | ubuntu will not accept debian packages that why you can't install |
| 04:21.21 | Azar | and not only |
| 04:21.24 | multi_io | Azar thinks you're running Ubuntu |
| 04:21.26 | Azar | you broke your all system |
| 04:21.31 | multi_io | I told him you don't |
| 04:21.43 | Azar | man, I believe you: just in case you know |
| 04:21.55 | Azar | for your info |
| 04:21.56 | eitan | I think azar speculation is in error. |
| 04:22.06 | Azar | ok lets test it then |
| 04:22.14 | eitan | go ahead |
| 04:22.16 | Azar | Ill give you another debian package to install |
| 04:22.37 | eitan | What? I'm not going to install another debian... the first one took me 8 hours! |
| 04:22.39 | Azar | try apt-get install ytree |
| 04:22.40 | mikefoo_ | I dont have /proc/net/ip_conntrack so how can I find out my connection limit? I am getting errors that my table is full and dropping packets in dmesg, Anyone? |
| 04:23.11 | Azar | let's see why apt does not install for you |
| 04:23.29 | eitan | what kind of program is ytree? |
| 04:23.43 | ThePub | debian install took 8 hours... |
| 04:23.43 | ThePub | wow |
| 04:23.47 | Azar | eitan is a similar like the old xtree , file manager |
| 04:24.08 | eitan | can I uninstall it later? |
| 04:24.12 | Azar | eitan, I have installed the old debian 57 times don't cry about |
| 04:24.26 | Azar | eitan sure, with : apt-get remove ytree |
| 04:24.29 | eitan | ok |
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| 04:25.30 | eitan | Setting up ytree (1.82-1) ... |
| 04:25.30 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# |
| 04:25.41 | eitan | can I get rid of it now? |
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| 04:25.56 | Azar | sure like I told you how |
| 04:26.08 | Azar | use "remove" instead of "install" for ytree |
| 04:26.22 | eitan | ok... are you satisfied? |
| 04:26.37 | Azar | yes, now: why I could install lsscsi and you could not? |
| 04:26.50 | Azar | see, ytree worked. why not lsscsi? |
| 04:26.54 | eitan | by the way... why are we so concerned about getting a program to scan scsi devices when I don't even have any scsi devices? |
| 04:27.18 | Azar | iomega zip250 is a scsi drive |
| 04:27.24 | multi_io | nope |
| 04:27.26 | eitan | Setting up lsscsi (0.14-1) ... |
| 04:27.26 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# |
| 04:27.40 | Azar | yep it is I have both external and internal |
| 04:27.46 | Azar | eitan so you got it |
| 04:27.51 | Azar | try it now |
| 04:27.59 | multi_io | I think there's an ATA version as well |
| 04:28.12 | Azar | multi_io: I guess thats for the 100mb |
| 04:28.18 | eitan | All of this mounting and unmounting caused the dvd drive and the zip drive to fail in my last session. That locked up the apt-get process... it was unrecoverable. |
| 04:28.34 | multi_io | he could mount the thing yesterday from /dev/hdd4 |
| 04:28.45 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# lsscsi |
| 04:28.45 | eitan | [2:0:0:0] disk IOMEGA ZIP 250 41.S /dev/sda |
| 04:28.45 | eitan | [3:0:0:0] scanner Nikon LS-4000 ED 1.10 - |
| 04:28.46 | multi_io | which is not a SCSI drive |
| 04:28.47 | Azar | ok eitan look here |
| 04:28.58 | multi_io | hm |
| 04:29.07 | multi_io | alright, whatever |
| 04:29.16 | Azar | 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:29.16 | eitan | ok... now it's calling it sda... fine! |
| 04:29.25 | Azar | sorry holdon |
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| 04:29.42 | Azar | /dev/sda4 /zip250 auto noauto,owner,users,rw 0 0 |
| 04:29.46 | multi_io | is this the same drive as yesterday, eitan? |
| 04:29.50 | Azar | try that setting^^^^^^ |
| 04:30.07 | multi_io | are you running it through an SCSI emulation? |
| 04:30.14 | eitan | you mean modify fstab? |
| 04:30.23 | Azar | eitan yes |
| 04:30.30 | Azar | only for the zip drive |
| 04:30.30 | schme | fdisk /dev/sda ? |
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| 04:30.40 | Azar | sda4 |
| 04:30.59 | Azar | sda usually is the HD man |
| 04:31.01 | eitan | done... now what? logout and login |
| 04:31.03 | eitan | ? |
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| 04:31.11 | schme | sda4 is partition 4 on sda, no? |
| 04:31.17 | multi_io | yes |
| 04:31.24 | Azar | hmmm, right |
| 04:31.27 | multi_io | try mount /zip250 |
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| 04:31.33 | schme | ya so just try fdisk /dev/sda .. if it works it works |
| 04:31.37 | eitan | hold |
| 04:31.42 | schme | and nevermind me :) |
| 04:31.45 | Azar | nooo hda is the HD |
| 04:31.53 | Azar | hdc is the cdrom |
| 04:31.59 | Azar | sda should be the zip |
| 04:32.25 | schme | I can see how hdd became sda |
| 04:32.31 | multi_io | *hdd became sda |
| 04:32.35 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 04:32.35 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:32.40 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.01 | schme | eitan: put in a disk and try fdisk /dev/sda |
| 04:33.09 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# fdisk /dev/sda |
| 04:33.09 | eitan | Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 04:33.10 | multi_io | well, if it's the same drive as yesterday, it should be /dev/sda4 |
| 04:33.29 | multi_io | does the file /dev/sda exist? |
| 04:33.44 | eitan | azar: sda alone? not sda4? |
| 04:33.56 | Azar | schme is right, eitan will be: |
| 04:34.17 | schme | lsscsi says /dev/sda ... fdisk says unable to open |
| 04:34.19 | schme | darn |
| 04:34.20 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:34.35 | eitan | it locked up the terminal window and the zip drive. |
| 04:34.49 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# fdisk /dev/sda |
| 04:34.49 | eitan | Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 04:34.55 | multi_io | does the file /dev/sda exist? |
| 04:35.01 | Azar | well change it to sda4 |
| 04:35.06 | multi_io | no! |
| 04:35.13 | multi_io | :P |
| 04:35.32 | multi_io | sda is the whole dist, which is what we want to partition using fdisk |
| 04:35.34 | eitan | azar: got that |
| 04:35.35 | schme | Why there is no /dev/sda is a mystery to me. |
| 04:35.38 | multi_io | *whole disk |
| 04:35.42 | Azar | well try changing to media/zip250 and then try mount media/zip250 |
| 04:35.49 | eitan | multi_io: yes |
| 04:36.06 | schme | I mean if the disk device isn't there, most likely the partitions won't be there either |
| 04:36.11 | eitan | there is a /dev/sda |
| 04:36.37 | schme | and fdisk -l /dev/sda gives unable to open :S |
| 04:36.43 | multi_io | you're doing all this as root, right? |
| 04:36.55 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 04:36.55 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:36.58 | Azar | when you mount the cd you do mount /dev/hdc or mount media/cdrom |
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| 04:37.26 | eitan | epc:/# fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 04:37.26 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 04:37.31 | Azar | now think /dev/sda or media/zip250 if you setit up in fstab like that |
| 04:37.34 | eitan | multi_io: yes |
| 04:37.39 | schme | ok |
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| 04:37.40 | multi_io | ok |
| 04:37.46 | schme | eitan: and you have a disk in the drive? |
| 04:38.05 | schme | /dev/sda is messed up.. before it is fixed working fstab is a waste of time (: |
| 04:38.18 | eitan | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:38.20 | geo-rge | eitan, so it seems like you have no partitions |
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| 04:38.27 | multi_io | right, it can'T access /dev/sda |
| 04:38.35 | geo-rge | why? |
| 04:38.53 | eitan | schme: yes |
| 04:38.59 | schme | geo-rge: apperently fdisk without the -l gave Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 04:39.17 | Azar | question: when you installed debian, how come it did not recognized your zip drive? |
| 04:39.27 | multi_io | fdisk -l writes information even if there are no partitions |
| 04:39.46 | multi_io | like, size of the disk, number of sectors etc. |
| 04:40.00 | schme | I think we need to get crackin' on why /dev/sda is not working |
| 04:40.08 | multi_io | yep |
| 04:40.24 | schme | eitan: did you say you created /dev/sda yourself ? |
| 04:40.30 | Azar | DAMN THE TYPE! |
| 04:40.30 | eitan | recognize? I'm not sure what you mean... it listed the zip drive in the boot process ... you know that text that goes by really fast... but when I got to the gnome desktop, nautilus couldn't find the drive at all until multi_io helped me yesteday... at least that problem was solved |
| 04:40.42 | Azar | eitan in fstab you should specify a TYPE |
| 04:40.46 | eitan | no |
| 04:40.48 | eitan | I did not. |
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| 04:40.52 | schme | ok |
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| 04:40.55 | Azar | for cdrom for example is iso9660 |
| 04:41.10 | eitan | type is auto |
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| 04:41.33 | schme | eitan: what does fdisk /dev/sda4 give ya tho? |
| 04:41.35 | multi_io | fstab is not an issue as long as /dev/sda doesn't work |
| 04:41.57 | eitan | epc:/# fdisk /dev/sda4 |
| 04:41.57 | eitan | Unable to open /dev/sda4 |
| 04:42.00 | schme | ya |
| 04:42.13 | schme | fstab is very much not an issue right now :) |
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| 04:43.02 | eitan | I'm looking at sda and it says file group: hal |
| 04:43.06 | eitan | Why is that/ |
| 04:43.07 | eitan | ? |
| 04:43.25 | schme | it is the hardware abstraction layer.. |
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| 04:43.31 | adker | This says zip atapi zip drive uses scsi emulation http://linuxgazette.net/issue28/lg_tips28.html#atapi |
| 04:43.34 | eitan | is that how it should be? |
| 04:43.51 | Azar | hmm no "auto" is the type |
| 04:44.28 | Azar | eitan look again at fstab see how did you set it up |
| 04:44.31 | eitan | huh? file group, not type... is file group hal correct for sda/ |
| 04:44.32 | eitan | ? |
| 04:44.51 | Azar | eitan how did you set it up in fstab .. that what I ment |
| 04:44.52 | schme | eitan: To be honest I do not know, but it feels lika a none issue when the /dev/sda isn't actually working |
| 04:44.59 | eitan | # /etc/fstab: static file system information. |
| 04:44.59 | eitan | # |
| 04:44.59 | eitan | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 04:45.05 | geo-rge | eitan: you want to partition /dev/sda4 which is itself a possibly existing partition? |
| 04:45.07 | eitan | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 04:45.08 | eitan | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 04:45.08 | eitan | /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 04:45.09 | schme | egad.. will ya'll drop the fstab :) |
| 04:45.16 | eitan | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:45.16 | eitan | /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:45.16 | eitan | /dev/sda4/media/zip250.0autorw,users,noauto00 |
| 04:45.30 | Azar | ewww that looks ugly |
| 04:45.34 | geo-rge | eitan: why are you pasting? and WHY did you do it twice |
| 04:45.41 | geo-rge | use a pastebin |
| 04:46.00 | geo-rge | Rusty1: yeah, seems like it might not be |
| 04:46.12 | geo-rge | not sda and not sda4 |
| 04:46.34 | schme | From what I remember from the dmesg pasted earlier it was detected as hdd, and lsscsi says sda |
| 04:46.42 | Azar | I wonder why he is not using the lsscsi command |
| 04:46.47 | eitan | right... isn't that wierd? |
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| 04:46.48 | geo-rge | !marillat |
| 04:46.48 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 04:46.53 | multi_io | so you're running an SCSI emu, right? |
| 04:47.10 | eitan | am I? |
| 04:47.15 | eitan | I don't know. |
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| 04:48.00 | schme | scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices <--- Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 250 Rev: 41.S <--- |
| 04:48.05 | schme | from the dmesg you pasted earlier |
| 04:48.06 | Azar | eitan you can change and try ok? easier than reinstall |
| 04:48.09 | geo-rge | ok, since I entered midstream... could you do me a favor and start over? what are you trying to do (something with a hardware device, which one?) |
| 04:48.20 | czr | anyone here running linux on a non-x86/x86-64/ia-64/ppc? |
| 04:48.31 | geo-rge | !marillat.etch |
| 04:48.31 | dpkg | first, ask me about <marillat key>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) to add the marillat repository |
| 04:48.39 | eitan | azar: change what? what do you want me to do/ |
| 04:48.40 | eitan | ? |
| 04:48.50 | czr | I'd apprecite a small test run on a sw I'm developing. really simple and won't take a lot of time (gcc/make/libc-dev required) |
| 04:48.51 | Azar | /dev/sda /zip250 auto noauto,owner,users,rw 0 0 then save the file and try: mount /zip250 |
| 04:48.53 | schme | geo-rge: iomega zip 250 . dmesg at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4978 . lsscsi identifies it as /dev/sda . fdisk says /dev/sda is unable to open |
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| 04:49.06 | eitan | geo-rge: were're trying to get my zip drive to work with debian |
| 04:49.10 | geo-rge | disk in drive? |
| 04:49.27 | Azar | I mean try to remove the "4" and /media from there and run mount /zip250 |
| 04:49.35 | schme | eitan: first of all. stop doing anything at all to the fstab. |
| 04:49.52 | schme | eitan: and you are running scsi emulation according to your dmesg |
| 04:49.57 | Azar | ok I let geo-rge I got tired man |
| 04:50.10 | multi_io | alright, a scsi emu |
| 04:50.30 | geo-rge | I won't be here for long :) |
| 04:50.38 | multi_io | eitan: try fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 04:50.41 | geo-rge | !marillat key |
| 04:50.41 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 04:50.55 | geo-rge | apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 04:50.59 | czr | hmm. does anyone know of an url from where I could find a debian installation set for a version that uses libc5 or very very old 6? |
| 04:51.03 | geo-rge | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 04:51.03 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 04:51.03 | czr | (isos) |
| 04:51.12 | eitan | epc:/# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 04:51.12 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 04:51.48 | Azar | eitan the type is auto |
| 04:51.48 | schme | let go of the mounting and the fstab |
| 04:51.48 | eitan | geo-rge: yes |
| 04:51.49 | eitan | geo-rge: disk in drive |
| 04:51.54 | aeruder | hey all, i'm working on an oss project here, and there is a modified copy of /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 (version 1.5.22-4 from debian testing/unstable), could someone running testing/unstable help me out and post a copy of theirs on a website or email it to me or dcc it to me or somethin? :) |
| 04:51.59 | Azar | you have to ALIGN all parameters in fstab with other ones in COLUMNS under menu |
| 04:52.04 | eitan | azar: ok |
| 04:52.18 | geo-rge | well it's a good idea to anyway |
| 04:52.21 | multi_io | Azar: no he doesn't |
| 04:52.21 | aeruder | or if there's an easy way to get it on a non-debian machine... but i need a clean copy to figure out what has changed |
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| 04:52.29 | multi_io | Azar: man fstab |
| 04:52.33 | Azar | multi_io: yes he does he has a cabbage there |
| 04:52.48 | schme | it is not an fstab problem to start off with |
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| 04:52.58 | schme | You can keep changing it all year if you like. |
| 04:52.58 | multi_io | I think it's a tab character, which is perfectly alright |
| 04:53.00 | Azar | he put the type "auto" in totally other place therefore he gets: no type |
| 04:53.01 | eitan | azar: if I get rid of media, I have to make a new directory in the top directory called zip250.0 . Is that what you want me to do? |
| 04:53.05 | geo-rge | because fstab needs a specific number of parameters, surrounded by arbitrary numbers of spaces |
| 04:53.12 | Azar | /dev/sda4 /zip250 auto noauto,owner,users,rw 0 0 |
| 04:53.13 | multi_io | and what schme says |
| 04:53.31 | Azar | eitan, put this line there, erase the cabbage, and align them nicely, save the file |
| 04:53.37 | eitan | Azar: in any case, i got rid of the sda4 and put in sda, and it didn't mount |
| 04:53.49 | Azar | eitan /dev/sda remove the "4" |
| 04:53.52 | schme | ok. I give up. |
| 04:54.02 | geo-rge | it looks like a hard failure |
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| 04:54.22 | eitan | azar: they are aligned in my editor... it just didn't paste properly here |
| 04:54.27 | Azar | schme, how in the hell man can you tell his fstab is ok? |
| 04:54.35 | Azar | don't past |
| 04:54.37 | Azar | paste |
| 04:54.40 | caine607 | Apparently the version of debian I'm running, 3.1, is 'old'... should I upgrade and if so to what version? |
| 04:54.43 | caine607 | Given that this a box I really don't want to break. I mean, its not the end of the world if it does, it doesn't run any mission critical software for fortune500s or anything, but it'd be a royalo pain. |
| 04:54.44 | Azar | WRITE it yourself nicely |
| 04:54.47 | geo-rge | fstab will not be needed while testing |
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| 04:54.57 | multi_io | we can tell his fstab is irrelevant as long as the device isn'T accesible |
| 04:54.59 | schme | Azar: if fdisk isn't able to open either /dev/sda or /dev/sda4 it will never work |
| 04:55.06 | geo-rge | you can just mount |
| 04:55.16 | Azar | schme: no need, he can call it by /zip250 |
| 04:55.20 | czr | caine607, make a full disk image out of it, do the upgrade, if it break, restore the image (live-cd or similar and network storage) |
| 04:55.20 | geo-rge | as long as the media is formatted |
| 04:55.26 | eitan | azar: ok... I'll change it back to sda4 |
| 04:55.27 | schme | ... |
| 04:55.34 | geo-rge | but it doesn't even appear to be openable |
| 04:55.35 | schme | there is no sda4 |
| 04:55.35 | Azar | eitan, no back to sda |
| 04:55.41 | schme | and there is no sda |
| 04:55.58 | eitan | azar: same problem, no mount |
| 04:56.04 | geo-rge | maybe the scsi emu module isnt loaded? |
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| 04:56.14 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.17 | caine607 | ozr: Hmmmm. Can I do this on the same box/disk? |
| 04:56.21 | Azar | all on the line of their column |
| 04:56.22 | multi_io | eitan: try fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 04:56.46 | Azar | mount /zip250 |
| 04:56.46 | schme | Azar: look. /dev/sda isn't openable. No matter how you space it or align it. |
| 04:56.50 | chuckfromchan | is anyone here any good with ipfw? |
| 04:56.54 | caine607 | ozr: Or am I gonna need some external tape backup or something? |
| 04:57.17 | geo-rge | Azar: you wouldn't be able to mount unless the vol is formatted |
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| 04:57.33 | Azar | under <mount point> on that column, vertical way is the /zip250 right? that IS the mount point |
| 04:57.38 | eitan | azar: ok back to sda... same problem... no mount |
| 04:57.39 | lindenle | !tel me about ipfw |
| 04:57.48 | Azar | geo-rge: indeed |
| 04:57.50 | lindenle | !tell me about ipfw |
| 04:57.51 | Azar | eitan |
| 04:57.52 | geo-rge | caine607: ability to back up your entire installation is -ALWAYS- a good idea |
| 04:57.58 | Azar | bad news, your zip drive will not work |
| 04:58.03 | schme | multi_io: it's no use |
| 04:58.11 | eitan | epc:/# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 04:58.11 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 04:58.12 | Azar | the debian installation should have recognized it |
| 04:58.14 | Azar | it did not |
| 04:58.18 | Azar | so it won't work |
| 04:58.22 | caine607 | geo-rge: Uh, yeah. |
| 04:58.23 | chuckfromchan | !tell me about ipfw |
| 04:58.33 | caine607 | geo-rge: I keep thinking that. |
| 04:58.45 | czr | caine607, same box is ok as long as you make the image on something that isn't normally touched at all |
| 04:58.45 | caine607 | geo-rge: I really need to do something about that... |
| 04:58.49 | eitan | epc:/# mount media/zip250.0 |
| 04:58.49 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:58.49 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 04:58.56 | czr | caine607, separate hard drive/external hard drive/etc. |
| 04:58.57 | schme | eitan: Ok. the zip drive can get working. it is spotted in dmesg. Your first step to cracking this is stop fiddling with mount and fstab. |
| 04:59.02 | geo-rge | caine607: admittedly, meetoo |
| 04:59.11 | multi_io | schme: :P |
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| 04:59.23 | caine607 | ozr: ok, so, lets assume I can manage to do that. (Gotta talk to my friend about mounting a backup disk on one his machines or something) |
| 04:59.25 | czr | caine607, something that you can easily access when/if the upgrade process leaves you something that you don't like and want an easy way to restore back (not to mention fast) |
| 04:59.25 | eitan | geo-rge: the zip disk is formatted |
| 04:59.27 | chuckfromchan | well, how would i forward port 80 to another computer? |
| 04:59.29 | caine607 | ozr: what versoin should I upgrade to? |
| 04:59.44 | czr | not ozr :-) |
| 04:59.54 | geo-rge | eitan: how did that happen? |
| 04:59.55 | eitan | azar: it's not zip250 ... it's /media/zip250.0 |
| 05:00.07 | czr | well, I think other people are more qualified to answer that I question. I'm a casual debian user only |
| 05:00.08 | caine607 | Oops. |
| 05:00.09 | multi_io | eitan: ok, no output at all from fdisk -l looks strange to me |
| 05:00.10 | caine607 | czr sorry. |
| 05:00.24 | czr | caine607, np, just I don't get high-ligthed so I miss your questions :-) |
| 05:00.29 | eitan | azar: why won't it work? |
| 05:00.42 | Azar | eitan look man this is all I can help you with, read for yourself: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 05:00.45 | eitan | schme: why are you giving up? |
| 05:00.49 | geo-rge | you tell us! you're closer :) |
| 05:00.50 | caine607 | czr: yeah, the default hilights are osmehow darkblue for names in my client, against black background, so they're hard to read. |
| 05:01.00 | schme | eitan: Because you are not listening to me. |
| 05:01.04 | eitan | schme: why did it work before? |
| 05:01.10 | Azar | eitan I can't help you when schmen sits on my back and kibitz |
| 05:01.14 | eitan | azar: why did it work before? |
| 05:01.17 | czr | caine607, yeah, don't worry about it :-). newest stable probably is the best option |
| 05:01.18 | Azar | you read and learn yourself |
| 05:01.19 | schme | eitan: It is not an fstab or mount issue. You can keep changing your fstab all year, it will not change a thing. |
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| 05:01.31 | geo-rge | eitan: again, you tell us |
| 05:01.47 | Azar | eitan, wait, don't forget this ok? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 05:01.54 | eitan | schme: no kidding... I only messed with mount and fstab because people told me to |
| 05:01.58 | czr | caine607, although, if you do the backup thing, you might also try testing, but personally if the box is worth to you, I'd consider it twice first. |
| 05:02.11 | caine607 | So meanwhile, I'm htinking the only practical things are a) maybe a second disk solely for backups b) an external usb drive or something c) an extra drive in a separate machine, and over the network backups. |
| 05:02.24 | caine607 | czr: cool nuff. |
| 05:02.30 | czr | caine607, if you go for the usb, make sure that you have usb2.0 |
| 05:02.33 | eitan | geo-rge: it was already formatted from a long time ago... it has a file on it... when I last had this thing working with debian, it was reading fine... |
| 05:02.39 | czr | external hard drives over usb1.1 are _bad_idea_. |
| 05:03.03 | caine607 | czr: yeah. I'm not sure that usb is viable in this case because its rackmount machine. |
| 05:03.06 | schme | eitan: and it is there in the dmesg you pasted. hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive and then it goes scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 250 Rev: 41.S .. and it has a disk attached |
| 05:03.11 | czr | caine607, should be doable |
| 05:03.18 | multi_io | eitan: maybe it's some hardware problem that show up on and off |
| 05:03.28 | eitan | azar: ok... fine, if you don't want to help, thank you for trying... but I've done all the reading i can, and I couldn't figure it out... that's why I'm here. |
| 05:03.29 | geo-rge | eitan: explain what your situation was when it did work. alternatively... explain everything you did to the computer from the time it did work |
| 05:03.31 | czr | caine607, you just have to find physical space for the drive itself. if it's a colo, then it's more difficult of course. |
| 05:03.35 | caine607 | czr: the machine lives (for free) in my friend's ISP rack, so he might not like that. |
| 05:03.36 | schme | eitan: I am guessing that somewhere along the line some driver got broken, some module unloaded or what not. |
| 05:03.43 | czr | caine607, indeed :-) |
| 05:03.58 | eitan | schme: I am listening... I did everything everyone, including you, told me to do... and in order. |
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| 05:04.06 | multi_io | eitan: do you have another ZIP disk you could try? |
| 05:04.07 | czr | caine607, iff you need to restore the machine, you'll have to have physical access probably anyway |
| 05:04.14 | caine607 | czr: Of course I have a key to the server room so maybe I won't tell him... (Just kidding! <- for my friend's ethernet sniffer) |
| 05:04.15 | czr | caine607, unless you have kvm over ip with virtual iso support |
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| 05:04.23 | caine607 | czr: yeah. |
| 05:04.27 | eitan | azar: ok... then what do we do? Who is the biggest expert here who wants to help me 1:1 ? |
| 05:04.42 | czr | caine607, developing an effective backup strategy is always difficult |
| 05:04.44 | levander | I prelinked my system a long time ago. I think because of dist-upgrade's it's no longer prelinked, but is there any way to check and make sure some libraries are not still prelinked? |
| 05:04.48 | eitan | geo-rge: what do you want me to tell you? what info do you want to know? |
| 05:04.52 | czr | I've yet to find any solution that I'd be compltely satisfied |
| 05:04.57 | geo-rge | I'm 6'... is that big enough? :) |
| 05:05.00 | czr | +with even. |
| 05:05.09 | caine607 | I guess best solutoin is a spare drive IN the machine, do incremental backup to that drive, then rsync that over USB or the net. Would be faster than running everything across usb/net, not sure if that would really matter. |
| 05:05.26 | multi_io | eitan: the no-output fdisk run seem strange |
| 05:05.30 | eitan | multi_io: no I don't think it's a hardware problem because this drive works flawlessly under windows 2000. |
| 05:05.34 | caine607 | czr: I saw some scheme that looked good, using rsync and hardlinks to keep multiple versons. |
| 05:05.34 | czr | caine607, rsyncing against usb from real hard disk provides no benefits |
| 05:05.38 | multi_io | eitan: ok |
| 05:05.39 | geo-rge | eitan: I mean, it seems like maybe you changed the software running on your computer... true? |
| 05:05.47 | czr | caine607, rynsc will have to read everything on the usb anyway for files that might have changed. |
| 05:05.55 | caine607 | czr: No, rsync from the USB across thenet. |
| 05:06.05 | czr | caine607, ah, then it makes sense :-) |
| 05:06.15 | geo-rge | ok, cool, I got rid of all the no key found thingys |
| 05:06.17 | multi_io | eitan: when did you try it last under windows 2000? |
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| 05:06.26 | czr | caine607, well, I've found a lot of solutions which are semi-something |
| 05:06.30 | geo-rge | including 2006 key, etch key, marillat key |
| 05:06.35 | caine607 | czr: The idea being to do the initial backup real real quick to either the local disk or usb disk, then rsync that across the net to a separate physical location |
| 05:06.36 | geo-rge | umm |
| 05:06.39 | Rusty1 | eitan: if you got the bandwidt, try downloading a live cd like ubuntu/kanotix/knoppix and see if they see it , and look at the generated lsmod/fstab/mount output - might give you some clues |
| 05:06.39 | czr | like the rsync and hardlinks. imagine having 20 such systems across three sites |
| 05:06.42 | geo-rge | is there a 2007 key? |
| 05:06.47 | czr | and then restoring something or do bare-metal restoration. |
| 05:06.47 | caine607 | http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 05:06.53 | caine607 | That might be what I looked at before. |
| 05:07.05 | schme | eitan: I look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4980 and I see some strange errors at the end |
| 05:07.14 | geo-rge | Rusty1 has a pretty good suggestion... for gathering more info |
| 05:07.17 | chuckfromchan | here is my network: http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8193/networkvt8.png |
| 05:07.21 | schme | SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0:hdd: DMA interrupt recovery |
| 05:07.23 | czr | otoh I'm very picky about everything. I'm sure rsync is ok for most for backups. |
| 05:07.27 | schme | hdd: lost interrupt |
| 05:07.29 | chuckfromchan | how would i forward port 80 from the ibook to the server |
| 05:07.38 | schme | and then it disables your drive |
| 05:07.48 | schme | scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 2 channel 0 id 8 lun 0 |
| 05:07.56 | czr | caine607, I've been looking for a suitable solution for some years now :-) |
| 05:07.56 | caine607 | One of the big advantages was you could a) keep multiple old versions and b) access them old file versions by simply firing up a shell and cding into /backups/versionfoo/whatever, |
| 05:08.09 | czr | caine607, which maybe puts it into context. |
| 05:08.09 | caine607 | czr: I get the feeling a lotta people use peering. |
| 05:08.11 | chuckfromchan | anyone know? |
| 05:08.20 | caine607 | czr: I.e. small biz people. |
| 05:08.22 | eitan | geo-rge: First I did the modprobe fat, vfat, and ide-scsi, then I added a mount point directory in /media/zip250.0, then I did a "mknod /dev/hdd4 b 22 68" then I did a "mount /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0", then I added "/dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 auto rw,users,noauto 0 0" to fstab -- then it all worked |
| 05:08.22 | czr | caine607, peering in which context? |
| 05:08.27 | czr | peering means so many things. |
| 05:08.32 | caine607 | czr: Peer with a few other folks, backup over the net to them/host their backups. |
| 05:08.39 | eitan | geo-rge: what I did since then is simply rebooted.... then it all stopped working. |
| 05:08.50 | schme | geo-rge: the scsi errors at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4980 is the problem |
| 05:09.03 | eitan | schme: sounds like a possiblity |
| 05:09.04 | czr | caine607, ah. well. in order for that to work, the backup solution should be built so that it doesn't need to trust the a) transmission mechanism, b) remote end |
| 05:09.08 | geo-rge | eitan: ok, I'm looking at that paste now... |
| 05:09.16 | geo-rge | note, modprobe isn't permanent |
| 05:09.23 | multi_io | eitan: if it's an on-and-off HW problem it may have worked just coincidentally under W2000 |
| 05:09.25 | czr | caine607, and in order to work with that, it would have to keep all data encrypted so that compomise at the remote end wouldn't cause problems |
| 05:09.29 | caine607 | czr: No, I mean I think they actually do trust, its just simplre. |
| 05:09.37 | eitan | multi_io: I do have another zip disk... but I don't think that's the problem. |
| 05:09.39 | czr | caine607, of course. |
| 05:09.45 | geo-rge | eitan: try the modprobes again to see if you can get it to work again |
| 05:09.49 | multi_io | eitan: alright |
| 05:09.50 | czr | caine607, as said, I'm not completely satisfied with anything out there :-) |
| 05:10.02 | caine607 | czr: I can't decide if there's any advantage to making the initial snapshot as quick as possible... I guess less possibility of having an inconsistent file system state, or rather less inconsistencies. |
| 05:10.04 | geo-rge | i.e., try what you did before and see what happens |
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| 05:10.15 | caine607 | Unless you do your backups offline. |
| 05:10.17 | eitan | multi_io: I tried to switch out the zip disk, and now it will not eject, where before all of this mounting it would eject fine... |
| 05:10.21 | geo-rge | you didn't upgrade your kernel did you? |
| 05:10.23 | czr | caine607, for real environments a SAN with snapshots would make your problem go away |
| 05:10.34 | czr | caine607, at least it would be instant |
| 05:10.36 | eitan | all of this mounting stuff made it so that I can't even eject the zip disk to try another |
| 05:10.39 | schme | eitan: is it possible to run it without DMA ? |
| 05:10.45 | czr | although the snapshots would each be in inconsistent state |
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| 05:11.12 | caine607 | czr: SAN's support snapshots? That might be easiest. There are some cheap SANs out there. |
| 05:11.20 | geo-rge | (some kernels use scsi subsystem for usb storage, some use the normal stuff... that wouldn't be the ide system would it? |
| 05:11.22 | geo-rge | ) |
| 05:11.24 | czr | cheap SANs? haha. |
| 05:11.27 | schme | seeing how the whole problem is because "DMA interrupt recovery" "lost interrupt" |
| 05:11.36 | czr | not the SANs that I know |
| 05:11.38 | caine607 | czr: no, seriously. Cheap san boxes at least. Not the high end ones. |
| 05:11.46 | caine607 | czr: These are more small office appliances. |
| 05:11.52 | multi_io | it's highly unlikely that "mounting stuff" would do any permanent damage |
| 05:11.53 | caine607 | czr: Wait, I'm thinking NAS not SAN. |
| 05:11.54 | czr | they're not SAN. they're NAS. |
| 05:11.55 | eitan | geo-rge: hmmm... oh I got my sound card and printer to work...! that's what changed.... I installed alsa-base, alsa-utils and printconf |
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| 05:12.13 | eitan | geo-rge: I got my printer and sound to work, but then the zip stopped working after a reboot |
| 05:12.17 | czr | NASeses operate on file-logical level and suck performance wise (at least all the boxes I've had the "pleasure" to work with) |
| 05:12.25 | Rusty1 | eitan: you didn't make any hardware changes from when it worked untill you rebooted? |
| 05:12.27 | geo-rge | eitan: try the modprobes again to see if you can get it to work again |
| 05:12.29 | schme | multi_io: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4980 the scsi errors at the end is the problem :) |
| 05:12.40 | multi_io | schme: yeah, probably |
| 05:12.46 | eitan | multi_io: I tried it under windows 2000 yesterday. |
| 05:12.51 | geo-rge | and try mount /dev/hdd4 /some/where |
| 05:12.53 | czr | caine607, and none of them do snapshots properly anyway |
| 05:12.58 | multi_io | eitan: try it again now, I would say |
| 05:13.12 | caine607 | czr: So, assuming the quicker the snapshot the fewer the inconsistencies... would it be worth it to have both an internal backup drive as well as an offiste drive accessed over the network? |
| 05:13.19 | geo-rge | note, modprobe isn't permanent |
| 05:13.43 | czr | caine607, which solution do you want to hear? ones achievable or ideal ones? :-) |
| 05:13.51 | eitan | schme: ok I went there... saw the errors... so what does that mean? |
| 05:13.56 | Rusty1 | geo-rge: think your on to it |
| 05:13.58 | multi_io | and I would get rid of that scsi emu, it just adds one unnecessary software layer that might contain bugs |
| 05:14.12 | czr | caine607, do you have service windows in your system? |
| 05:14.18 | caine607 | czr: Drives don't cost that much... |
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| 05:14.20 | multi_io | eitan: if I were you, I would try the drive under Windows 2000 again right now just to be sure |
| 05:14.22 | czr | caine607, (times of month when the service doesn't have to be availble) |
| 05:14.24 | caine607 | czr: I could force them. |
| 05:14.28 | schme | eitan: it means that for some reason your device was disabled because of a lost interrupt |
| 05:14.36 | czr | caine607, those are for making consistant backups |
| 05:14.38 | caine607 | czr: Its a friends box. Noone uses it but my friends. |
| 05:14.49 | eitan | geo-rge: I know... I also added vfat, fat, ide-scsi, and imm to etc/modules |
| 05:14.49 | caine607 | That is, it's mine. But no real customers. |
| 05:14.51 | geo-rge | nice... I can connect to either pg-7.4 or pg-8.1 |
| 05:14.52 | czr | caine607, because you can shut down all services -> no files left open -> take backup -> bring system back |
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| 05:14.58 | caine607 | Er, no paying/profit making customers. |
| 05:15.08 | czr | caine607, and between those, you can take incremental backups |
| 05:15.13 | geo-rge | eitan: are they loaded now? |
| 05:15.22 | gimmulf | Hi, where can i see what processes which is automatically starting when rebooting? |
| 05:15.24 | caine607 | czr: You'd think ext3 or reiserfs could support sometihng like thsi. |
| 05:15.26 | czr | caine607, but be sure that you also get a list of files which cause consistancy problems (files which changed during backup, etc) |
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| 05:15.34 | caine607 | Ohk right. |
| 05:15.36 | czr | caine607, err, why? |
| 05:15.40 | caine607 | Really gotta shut things down. |
| 05:15.43 | czr | caine607, it's not their job. |
| 05:15.49 | multi_io | eitan: you could try to just read some bytes from the drive, e.g. like so: |
| 05:15.52 | caine607 | Unless you do some kind of VMware thing and pickle the entire system state. |
| 05:15.59 | eitan | tried the modprobes again... that didn't change anything |
| 05:16.00 | multi_io | dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
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| 05:16.14 | geo-rge | gimmulf: well you can browse the scripts that start them, and you can look at all the running processes |
| 05:16.18 | czr | caine607, well, I'm working a solution for virtualized environments, which actually puts it closer to the SAN snapshot stuff |
| 05:16.19 | caine607 | czr: which would be kinda slick. |
| 05:16.27 | multi_io | eitan: that tries to read the first 10,000 bytes from the disk and prints how many bytes it could read |
| 05:16.31 | czr | caine607, without using a whole lot of storage while doing it |
| 05:16.34 | eitan | geo-rge: I upgraded my kernel BEFORE I got the zip working yesterday |
| 05:16.37 | caine607 | czr: open source? |
| 05:16.42 | czr | caine607, haven't decided |
| 05:16.43 | gimmulf | geo-rge: ahh ok great, where do i browse them? |
| 05:17.01 | caine607 | czr: Gotta roll now. Thanks for the help. |
| 05:17.07 | eitan | schme: I don't know about dma... what do you want me to tell you? |
| 05:17.08 | czr | caine607, np. have fun |
| 05:17.14 | geo-rge | look at /etc/rc2.d and the output of ps auc |
| 05:17.16 | geo-rge | err |
| 05:17.18 | geo-rge | ps aux |
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| 05:17.55 | geo-rge | man ps |
| 05:18.02 | czr | I didn't mean that :-) |
| 05:18.02 | eitan | epc:/# mount /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 |
| 05:18.02 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:18.09 | czr | just that specific order of a, u and x. |
| 05:18.17 | multi_io | eitan: disabling DMA could be done using hdparm -d /dev/hdd |
| 05:18.29 | eitan | multi_io: how do I gete rid of the scsi emu? |
| 05:18.31 | geo-rge | eitan: you're pasting to the channel again |
| 05:18.33 | czr | used to use fax on hp-uxen |
| 05:18.58 | geo-rge | what is the filesystem type on hdd4? |
| 05:19.02 | multi_io | geo-rge: it's just two lines |
| 05:19.10 | gimmulf | geo-rge: thanks, you have any idea where i could read about adding processing to this list? Whats the man called? |
| 05:19.14 | eitan | multi_io: I would love to try it under windows 2000 right now but for the fact that all of these mounting attempts made it so that the zip disk does not eject anymore! |
| 05:19.32 | eitan | schme: ok... lost interrupt. Fine. What now? |
| 05:19.38 | schme | eitan: it is direct memory access... it tried to disable it before the device was set to offline ... |
| 05:19.40 | geo-rge | also, does fdisk -l /dev/hdd say anything? (please don't paste it here) |
| 05:19.50 | eitan | geo-rge: is what loaded now? |
| 05:19.50 | schme | eitan: imm is loaded, ya? |
| 05:19.52 | multi_io | eitan: why does that prevent you from booting Windows 2000? |
| 05:20.05 | geo-rge | he can't follow the conversation |
| 05:20.37 | schme | maybe imm is just for the parallel port one |
| 05:20.38 | geo-rge | sorry... can't work under those conditions. no time. |
| 05:20.38 | schme | geo-rge: thanks for the input (: |
| 05:20.43 | eitan | epc:/# dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 05:20.43 | eitan | dd: opening `/dev/hdd': No such file or directory |
| 05:20.43 | eitan | 0 |
| 05:21.31 | multi_io | does /dev/hdd exist? |
| 05:21.36 | multi_io | i.e. the file /dev/hdd |
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| 05:22.08 | eitan | multi_io: is that disabling dma command permanent or temporary for this session? |
| 05:22.20 | multi_io | eitan: temporary for this session |
| 05:22.58 | multi_io | eitan: about getting rid of the scsi emu: remove the line "ide-scsi" from /etc/modules, I'd say |
| 05:23.03 | eitan | geo-rge: how do I find out what the file system type is on hdd4? --- btw... I thought it was ok to paste 1 or 2 lines... do you really want me to go to pastebin for 2 lines? |
| 05:23.26 | multi_io | geo-rge has left us :P |
| 05:23.40 | schme | I'd just reboot |
| 05:23.55 | predder | is there any extension or alternative to cp which has a progress metre? |
| 05:23.59 | predder | meter* |
| 05:24.03 | eitan | geo-rge: fdisk -l /dev/hdd says nothing |
| 05:24.06 | schme | to see if the lost interupt shows up again |
| 05:24.12 | Azar | eitan too sad you do not understand and not even want to read, is a waste of time man |
| 05:24.17 | Azar | your time, and others |
| 05:24.30 | multi_io | eitan: just to be sure, try the byte-copying thing with sda again: |
| 05:24.36 | multi_io | dd if=/dev/sda bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 05:24.58 | eitan | schme: imm is loaded currently |
| 05:25.18 | schme | Azar: in his defence you are pointing him to things not related to the problem at hand (; |
| 05:25.39 | Azar | yeah ok |
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| 05:26.17 | eitan | multi_io: it doesn't prevent me from booting windows 2000, but that's not what I intended to do... I thought of ejecting the disk and trying it in a windows 2000 computer in the next room... to boot into windows 2000 on this computer, I would have to leave this chat session. Is that what you want? |
| 05:26.32 | eitan | geo-rge: i can follow the conversation fine |
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| 05:26.57 | Azar | right, :) he is gone if you did not know |
| 05:27.03 | eitan | geo-rge: ok... fine, thank you for trying |
| 05:27.08 | multi_io | eitan: yes. you left the chat session just a few minutes ago :) |
| 05:27.33 | schme | eitan: What I want is for you to reboot. Try a new mount of /dev/sda4 or whatever it is, and paste a new dmesg. |
| 05:27.37 | schme | eitan: But that's just me. |
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| 05:28.04 | eitan | multi_io: no there is no hdd file... remember in our session we had hdd and we made hdd4 ... they both were erased by the system somehow after a reboot |
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| 05:28.28 | multi_io | they were erased? I didn'T know that! |
| 05:28.43 | eitan | epc:/# hdparm -d /dev/hdd |
| 05:28.43 | eitan | bash: hdparm: command not found |
| 05:28.45 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps i cant get my dvd player to play dvds again what i am missing?? |
| 05:29.05 | multi_io | apt-get install hdparm |
| 05:29.06 | bbelt16ag | the error\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
| 05:29.18 | Azar | bbelt16ag: hehehe |
| 05:29.23 | schme | eitan: I would love to see if those scsi errors show up again after a fresh reboot and perhaps an fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 05:29.42 | eitan | multi_io: ok I removed ide-scsi from /etc/modules |
| 05:29.47 | schme | oh |
| 05:29.56 | Azar | bbelt16ag: you got a DRM encrypted DVD , means you can't play it |
| 05:29.56 | schme | then they most likely will not show up |
| 05:29.59 | eitan | schme: do you want me to reboot now? |
| 05:30.07 | gimmulf | How can i see how much % of ram my machine is currently using? |
| 05:30.12 | schme | eitan: Nevermind me. I'll leave this to multi_io :) |
| 05:30.12 | bbelt16ag | dont we got support for this?!?! |
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| 05:30.22 | bbelt16ag | come on surly there is something in the nonf-ree repo |
| 05:30.24 | multi_io | :P |
| 05:30.29 | bbelt16ag | non-free |
| 05:30.29 | karsten | gimmulf: free |
| 05:30.34 | Azar | bbelt16ag: ask who ever made that DVD movie, the movie industries |
| 05:30.35 | multi_io | eitan: alright, reboot |
| 05:30.38 | eitan | azar: what? I've been reading everything... I've been doing all of what all of you have been asking |
| 05:30.41 | bbelt16ag | bastards |
| 05:30.56 | schme | eitan: as I see it the device is disabled, and all this mucking about with loading and reloading modules have me confused. I'm just a sucker for reboots. |
| 05:31.01 | schme | one every year atleas |
| 05:31.24 | eitan | epc:/# dd if=/dev/sda bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 05:31.24 | eitan | dd: opening `/dev/sda': No such device or address |
| 05:31.24 | eitan | 0 |
| 05:31.26 | karsten | gimmulf: Note that you will be asking shortly about why Linux is using all your RAM. Please see: cache, buffers, swap. |
| 05:31.27 | Azar | eitan, on that reference, it tells you step by step how to make a drive, how to mount it, what the columns mean, how to make it auto mount |
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| 05:31.39 | gimmulf | karsten: :) |
| 05:31.48 | karsten | eitan: You're missing device support. |
| 05:31.52 | Azar | im not gonna tell you , schme and multi-io are giving you tours |
| 05:32.04 | eitan | multi_io: no I am here in the chat session |
| 05:32.09 | Azar | karsten! :) |
| 05:32.31 | eitan | ok... is everyone here in favor of my reboot now? can I reboot now? |
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| 05:32.38 | karsten | gimmulf: You can also cat /proc/meminfo for more detailed usage stats. |
| 05:33.00 | Azar | :) |
| 05:33.10 | schme | Azar: mounting and what not will fail because the drive was disabled by a failed error recovery. The device is not there |
| 05:33.12 | multi_io | eitan: REBOOT! :P |
| 05:33.20 | multi_io | 10.. |
| 05:33.22 | multi_io | 9.. |
| 05:33.48 | karsten | multi_io: Robert A. Heinlein's smart bomb, from Starship Troopers. |
| 05:33.51 | multi_io | really, just reboot, we'll wait here |
| 05:33.55 | crash3m_ | my ./ssh/known_hosts is the new hashed version, and one of my hosts keys has changed. how do I know which hash belongs to which host? |
| 05:33.56 | Azar | karsten: eitan is the baby with four nannys, all trying to spoonfed him and as a result the soup is all over his beard...none of it goes in the mouth |
| 05:34.02 | schme | Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 scsi2 (8:0): rejecting I/O to offline device no fstab will work around it |
| 05:34.04 | karsten | multi_io: "This is a 60 second bomb ... this is a 55 second bomb ..." |
| 05:34.17 | karsten | Everybody abandon channel! |
| 05:34.46 | eitan | multi_io: this situation with the zip drive... the mounting making it so that I can't eject has frozen the zip drive and the dvd drive. When i did the apt-get hdparm, it locked up apt-get because apt get was looking for the hdparm files in the dvd player |
| 05:35.10 | Azar | frozen? where is the mighty UMOUNT? |
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| 05:36.01 | Azar | schme, multi_io I would suggest take a break and leave one nanny on eitan: karsten |
| 05:36.11 | eitan | azar: I read the man on mount... and I know how to mount a drive... it's not working. That's why I'm here. |
| 05:36.21 | schme | Azar: Heheheh. |
| 05:36.23 | karsten | Azar: Hey! Volunteer yourself. |
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| 05:36.31 | schme | eitan: Did you reboot ? |
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| 05:36.33 | Azar | karsten: been hours, im tired |
| 05:36.33 | multi_io | Azar: spreading irrelevant half-truths isn'T exactly helpful :) |
| 05:36.49 | karsten | Azar: NP. Drop then. Recap? |
| 05:36.57 | Azar | multi_io: I gave him the manual, you did not even bother to peek at it |
| 05:36.59 | multi_io | eitan: OK, just reboot, maybe youll be able to access teh DVD then |
| 05:37.08 | bbelt16ag | btw its libdvdcss |
| 05:37.10 | bbelt16ag | come on ppl |
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| 05:37.34 | schme | nothing in there to work around the driver saying the device is offline, and failing I/O because of it |
| 05:37.34 | karsten | Azar: Jesus. 3 hours? |
| 05:37.35 | Azar | karsten: eitan has an internal iomega zip drive 250. He can't seem to figure out how to mount or auto-mount it. |
| 05:37.41 | multi_io | bbelt16ag: you need additional sources from http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 05:38.16 | eitan | azar: what do you want me to umount? the dvd drive? the zip drive isn't even mounted. You can't unmount something that's not mounted. |
| 05:38.23 | schme | karsten: Azar seems to believe it is a problem with fstab though the dmesg clearly says there was a dropped interruped which it couldn't recover from and the device was offlined.. |
| 05:38.34 | eitan | schme: not yet... I'm too busy answering people |
| 05:38.39 | Azar | eitan, everytime you mount a device, once finished with it you have to "umount" it |
| 05:38.44 | karsten | schme: Yeah, I saw that. I'm with you, I think. |
| 05:39.01 | karsten | eitan: Who's helping you ATM? |
| 05:39.06 | bbelt16ag | well its playing but still messed up |
| 05:39.16 | schme | No way to mount a device when the driver is refusing I/O to it.. that's what I'm saying. |
| 05:39.27 | schme | eitan: stop answering people. We are not going anywhere (; |
| 05:39.28 | Azar | bbelt16ag: that was the actual intention of the makers of the DVD. |
| 05:39.39 | eitan | azar: but we never were able to mount the zip drive... it never mounted... |
| 05:39.43 | karsten | eitan: I'm suspecting HW or driver issues at this point. Have you established that the device works under another OS / install? |
| 05:39.57 | Azar | eitan: look at karsten, he is way waaaay better than me |
| 05:40.05 | eitan | karsten: what's atm? adobe type manager? automatic teller machine? |
| 05:40.07 | multi_io | bbelt16ag: add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list : |
| 05:40.10 | multi_io | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 05:40.11 | multi_io | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main |
| 05:40.15 | karsten | Azar: If the device didn't mount, no need to umount it. /proc/mounts is canonical for what _is_ currently mounted. /etc/mtab is *not* reliable, FYI. |
| 05:40.18 | karsten | !ATM |
| 05:40.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 05:40.23 | karsten | eitan: At the moment. |
| 05:40.27 | multi_io | the do apt-get update; apt-get install xine-ui |
| 05:40.52 | multi_io | *then |
| 05:41.03 | czr | anyone know where to look for historic releases of debian? (isos) |
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| 05:41.07 | eitan | karsten: I am not using atm. I have a dsl connection... that uses another protocol if I'm not mistaken. |
| 05:41.14 | czr | (historic = stuff that still used libc5) |
| 05:41.37 | Azar | czr like woody or potatoe? |
| 05:41.46 | eitan | ok... I'm rebooting... when I come back... please be careful about telling me to mount the zip drive... every time we do that, it locks it up. |
| 05:41.51 | eitan | back soon. |
| 05:42.02 | czr | hmm. not sure which versions they used, but sure. any site which carries them azar? |
| 05:42.28 | bbelt16ag | i already did |
| 05:42.30 | schme | I have a dsl connection.. priceless (: |
| 05:43.03 | schme | karsten: I believe eitans zip drive worked in windows 2000 |
| 05:43.20 | Azar | czr: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/ |
| 05:44.23 | Guerin | ~worked in windows |
| 05:44.27 | Guerin | !worked in windows |
| 05:44.29 | czr | Azar, what about the older ones? |
| 05:44.29 | Azar | czr the installer for woody is not so.. hmm "goodlooking" like Sarge |
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| 05:44.35 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 05:44.49 | czr | Azar, I installed it back in the day, I don't think it's bad looking at all :-) |
| 05:45.02 | Azar | czr, with older ones at your risk, if hardware on your PC is newer, no much support there as the kernels are 2.2 |
| 05:45.20 | czr | Azar, relax man, "i know what I'm doing" ;-) |
| 05:45.25 | Azar | and with Woody you have to specify 2.4 otherwise the default gets you the 2.2 kernel |
| 05:45.30 | czr | not planning to run them, for testing only. |
| 05:45.41 | czr | yes, same stuff as with the older ones with 2.0 vs 2.2 |
| 05:45.45 | czr | used to use bf-2.4 |
| 05:45.51 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/ |
| 05:45.51 | NaufraGo | what torrent application do you suggest me to use? |
| 05:45.56 | czr | Azar, thanks |
| 05:46.05 | schme | NaufraGo: rtorrent |
| 05:46.28 | Guerin | rtorrent for the best win |
| 05:46.47 | czr | Azar, although the problem is that I can't find the isos |
| 05:47.06 | czr | the "download" instructions all point to generic pages from which I can't find the older ones anymore |
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| 05:47.20 | Azar | hmm can you google with the isos specs like isoxxx for Debian? |
| 05:47.20 | mhiku | what package is libnut |
| 05:47.29 | Guerin | I used to run rtorrent on a p3-700 with 384MB ram, serving several hundred torrents at a time, average outbound traffic about 100G per day |
| 05:47.39 | Guerin | it's harder than a coffin nail |
| 05:47.40 | NaufraGo | schme is rtorrent a graphic app? |
| 05:47.43 | czr | Azar, you recall the names for the distribution isos? |
| 05:47.45 | schme | NaufraGo: No. |
| 05:47.49 | NaufraGo | how does it work? |
| 05:47.55 | Guerin | NaufraGo: it's a bittorrent client. |
| 05:48.03 | Azar | czr, you might find them on the CDs if you dare to order, it might be they are no more on the sites ? |
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| 05:48.15 | NaufraGo | I have to search bittorrent files by google? |
| 05:48.23 | czr | Azar, well, I just want to test whether my software builds/works on the older ones |
| 05:48.30 | czr | Azar, not worth ordering the older stuff |
| 05:48.43 | Guerin | NaufraGo: as with all bittorrent clients, yes, you need to use some sort of distribution site, such as thepiratebay or mininova |
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| 05:48.56 | schme | NaufraGo: You need to download torrent files and open them with your bittorrent client. Regardless of what client you use. |
| 05:49.01 | Azar | czr, sorry I might not have understood you: isos for Woody and Potato? |
| 05:49.01 | mhiku | what package is libnut? its a prereq that i cant find |
| 05:49.03 | schme | and what Guerin said. |
| 05:49.09 | Guerin | mhiku: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:49.13 | czr | Azar, yes please :-) |
| 05:49.44 | NaufraGo | can I find lot of mp3s as in p2p? |
| 05:49.46 | czr | I understand why they'd be dropped from the mirrors since no one needs them anymore, but.. |
| 05:49.58 | Guerin | NaufraGo: try it and see. This isn't #my-first-warez |
| 05:51.23 | schme | NaufraGo: There is also Azureus, which is point and click and requires java |
| 05:51.29 | epsilon | NaufraGo: ask in #gentoo |
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| 05:52.16 | eitan | ok. I'm back. |
| 05:52.21 | eitan | I installed hdparm. |
| 05:52.25 | czr | Azar, found this: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ but it doesn't carry the isos either |
| 05:52.28 | eitan | The zip disk is out of the drive. |
| 05:52.29 | Guerin | epsilon: don't troll |
| 05:52.42 | schme | eitan: What does dmesg say.. before anything ? |
| 05:52.43 | multi_io | eitan: paste your dmesg |
| 05:52.47 | schme | woho! |
| 05:52.49 | multi_io | :P |
| 05:53.04 | Guerin | zip drive? the 1990s want their crappy storage system back |
| 05:53.22 | eitan | I tested the zip disk on the windows 2000 computer in the next room and it works fine. |
| 05:53.50 | multi_io | if it's a hw problem, it's prolly a problem with the drive, not the disk |
| 05:54.04 | czr | anyone, woody/potato install iso-files? |
| 05:54.18 | multi_io | eitan: paste your dmesg |
| 05:54.28 | Guerin | czr: make them with jigdo? |
| 05:54.57 | czr | Guerin, I just need to install the systems once. to test whether my sw works. jigdo is (was at least) very slow for me before |
| 05:55.16 | czr | and I don't entirely trust the process, didn't complete sometimes when I tried it |
| 05:55.18 | Guerin | czr: why are you bothering to test on potato? |
| 05:55.27 | Guerin | woody I can almost see ... |
| 05:55.27 | czr | an iso with .md5 would be perfect |
| 05:55.31 | czr | Guerin, libc5? |
| 05:55.44 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4982 |
| 05:55.56 | Guerin | czr: doesn't answer the question |
| 05:56.05 | czr | although I dont' remember whether it used it, but I have a hunch that it did |
| 05:56.08 | Azar | hey czr, what if you get it through apt sources.list? |
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| 05:56.18 | Guerin | anyone still using potato shouldn't be bothering to install new programs in this day and age |
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| 05:56.28 | czr | Guerin, to test whether the dl-mechanism I use works on libc or not and to get an error message printout out of it if it doesn't (for documentation) |
| 05:56.39 | czr | Azar, the iso? |
| 05:56.42 | eitan | do you want me to reboot and retry the drive on windows 2000 on this computer? I don't think the drive is the problem, really. |
| 05:56.53 | czr | Azar, I don't want just libc5. I need a system which uses libc5 (including gcc, make and friends) |
| 05:56.54 | Azar | ummmm no, I could not find it, they removed it |
| 05:57.34 | karsten | eitan: I was referring to th ephrase "at the moment", not ATM networking. |
| 05:57.34 | czr | thought that locating the iso would be the easiest way |
| 05:57.34 | czr | but seems not. |
| 05:57.34 | eitan | karsten: oh! |
| 05:57.38 | Azar | czr, try here: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 05:58.01 | karsten | eitan: My suggestions to you would be: 1: ensure the device works in Windows (or another OS). 2: see if it's accessible under a smart live CD, eg: Knoppix. 3: walk through configuration of a new device step-by step, which it seems you haven't quite don.e |
| 05:58.07 | czr | Azar, that doesn't really help. |
| 05:58.14 | schme | eitan: is /dev/hdd there? |
| 05:58.23 | karsten | eitan: Getting broken HW to work can be a long and frustrating experience, and frequently, well, doesn't work. |
| 05:58.23 | multi_io | eitan: alright, the scsi smu is gone, and the dmesg looks just like yesterday, including the strange "hdd: No disk in drive" message |
| 05:58.35 | eitan | karsten: it's not broken. |
| 05:58.54 | Guerin | in this case, the cost-benefit of spending a whole day getting a stinkin' zip drive to work wouldn't be worth it for me |
| 05:58.58 | czr | well. I'll just ignore testing on older debians. can't be bothered. |
| 05:59.08 | eitan | yes |
| 05:59.16 | Guerin | czr: let your userbase test. |
| 05:59.21 | eitan | schme: yes |
| 05:59.28 | Azar | indeed they only give "stable" 3.1 and "testing" |
| 05:59.29 | multi_io | /dev/hdd exists? Then try "fdisk -l /dev/hdd", I'd say |
| 05:59.32 | czr | Guerin, why don't I let code the program too ;-) |
| 05:59.52 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 05:59.52 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# |
| 05:59.52 | czr | I'd rather not relase stuff that will eat peoples data. |
| 05:59.58 | czr | and there is potential for that in this case. |
| 05:59.59 | Guerin | czr: because then you wouldn't have godlike control over every step ;) |
| 06:00.04 | schme | ok. My thinking here is that imm should be loaded. Just as the HOWTO says. |
| 06:00.16 | czr | Guerin, I already use open source software, so that base is covered ;-) |
| 06:00.23 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 06:00.24 | eitan | multi_io: do you concur with schme? |
| 06:00.26 | Azar | czr, not sure what if you alter your sources.list to "old stable" and try to install it? |
| 06:00.29 | multi_io | schme: what howto? |
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| 06:00.34 | Azar | err install what you need I ment |
| 06:00.44 | Guerin | Azar: that would be woody |
| 06:00.44 | czr | Azar, install what? I already said that it isn't what I need. |
| 06:00.48 | Azar | or "wody" |
| 06:00.51 | schme | multi_io: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ZIP-Drive-4.html#ss4.8 |
| 06:00.56 | czr | I need a complete system. with kernels and stuff. |
| 06:00.57 | Azar | czr whatever you need from woody |
| 06:01.02 | Guerin | Azar: he wants potato, from scratch |
| 06:01.07 | czr | kernel + glibc + gcc + make? |
| 06:01.15 | Azar | maybe... |
| 06:01.15 | schme | multi_io: cept the driver is included in the kernel nowadays |
| 06:01.17 | czr | imagine what that would do to my running system if it eaven would work |
| 06:01.22 | Azar | dunno Guerin knows if is possible |
| 06:01.25 | Guerin | Azar: no, not maybe. You're making shit up. |
| 06:01.37 | Guerin | anything's possible |
| 06:01.45 | Guerin | i just don't have the cd, or know where to get it |
| 06:01.45 | Azar | Guerin, I am trying my hardest to do it |
| 06:01.51 | Guerin | but it's bound to be about someplace |
| 06:01.54 | czr | Guerin, no prob |
| 06:02.00 | multi_io | schme: does that driver work with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:02.02 | czr | yeah, if only I'd saved mine |
| 06:02.07 | schme | multi_io: basically it says "insmod imm, and voila - the drive is at sda" |
| 06:02.08 | multi_io | schme: ah, ok |
| 06:02.15 | Azar | I have the woody cd |
| 06:02.18 | czr | but if you save all the stuff you burn on CD, it's not possible to keep everything |
| 06:02.37 | czr | Guerin, btw, I don't think .jigdos exist for potato anyway |
| 06:02.45 | Azar | because all I have here started from woody |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 06:02.51 | multi_io | wait a minute, I'll skim the docs for that driver |
| 06:02.59 | czr | jigdos came way later than potato |
| 06:03.01 | Guerin | woody was stable when I started using debian, so I don't have experience that far back |
| 06:03.11 | eitan | but imm is already loaded |
| 06:03.16 | schme | oh |
| 06:03.21 | czr | I think I started with potato (debian-wise) |
| 06:03.27 | czr | used to run slack and suse before that |
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| 06:04.43 | ymo000 | how do i debug inet/nfs issues like i want to know if inet is properly listening on the said ports ? |
| 06:04.43 | eitan | Let me know when you want me to do something. |
| 06:04.46 | schme | eitan: see the last dmesg actually mentioned imm .. of course it was when the error showed up. :) does fdisk /dev/sda do anything for ya? |
| 06:05.18 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# fdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:05.18 | eitan | Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 06:05.35 | Guerin | czr: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/2.2_r7/i386/?fl=d |
| 06:05.40 | Guerin | czr: google was my friend |
| 06:05.55 | multi_io | "imm.c -- low level driver for the IOMEGA MatchMaker parallel port SCSI host adapter." |
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| 06:06.09 | multi_io | isn'T that for parallel port ZIP drives? |
| 06:06.25 | eitan | multi_io: since I don't have a parallel drive, should I unload imm? |
| 06:06.50 | Azar | czr read this one: http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/ |
| 06:07.01 | schme | oh ya.. |
| 06:07.04 | Azar | If you are using APT, you can use the following lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to be able to access potato packages: |
| 06:07.19 | Azar | deb http://archive.debian.org potato main contrib non-free |
| 06:07.24 | Guerin | Azar: but that won't fix the kernel or libc |
| 06:07.27 | schme | this is the ATAPI one.. ? |
| 06:07.31 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 06:07.34 | Guerin | really |
| 06:07.36 | stoned | Guerin, hi |
| 06:07.37 | eitan | schme: yes |
| 06:07.38 | Azar | Guerin: ah |
| 06:07.44 | Guerin | stoned: high |
| 06:07.47 | Azar | I thought he only wants some packages from it |
| 06:07.50 | stoned | whats up homeboy |
| 06:07.57 | Azar | hey stoned! |
| 06:08.02 | czr | azar, just forget about apt. I've already explained it doesn't solve the problem. twice. |
| 06:08.11 | stoned | chillin man just trying to bring my sid upto date |
| 06:08.11 | Guerin | Azar: you would only be able to think that if you hadn't read a damn thing he's been saying the past 20 mintes. |
| 06:08.19 | schme | eitan: It really just should work... (without imm).. and it should be at hdd like the dmesg says :S |
| 06:08.24 | Guerin | stoned: yeh, things a'ight |
| 06:08.26 | stoned | hey man, I'm about to take man absolut shot |
| 06:08.32 | multi_io | eitan: look at dmesg again. were any suspicious lines added since you pasted it? |
| 06:08.34 | stoned | Guerin, I hate dell, with all my soul |
| 06:08.36 | czr | Azar, Guerin thanks for the attempts though |
| 06:08.43 | Guerin | czr: i found the iso |
| 06:08.45 | eitan | schme: ok... fine... so what do I do? Should I unload imm? |
| 06:08.47 | Guerin | czr: scroll up |
| 06:08.50 | czr | Guerin, cool. |
| 06:08.53 | stoned | Guerin, I just especially went out in the freezing cold to get Office Space the movie |
| 06:08.58 | Guerin | hah |
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| 06:09.10 | eitan | I'll dmesg again and paste it again |
| 06:09.10 | stoned | Guerin, I'm have not been to work in 9 business days |
| 06:09.14 | multi_io | eitan: I'm not sure whether imm is for parallel port drives |
| 06:09.17 | multi_io | eitan: ok |
| 06:09.17 | Guerin | stoned: i spent all yesterday on the couch smoking spliffs and watching samurai jack |
| 06:09.41 | stoned | Guerin, I have a doctor's not. I was supposed to be back to work on friday. I am drinking, toking, and chillin out. I am going to sleep in tomorrow, go to work when I feel like it. |
| 06:09.42 | Azar | czr, I guess only on the usenet or wherever developers and maintainers might talk you could obtain, or, try to get a CD... |
| 06:09.45 | schme | multi_io: I am a bit confused by that imm too. It might be that the HOWTO was written before the 250MB ATAPI :S |
| 06:09.53 | czr | Guerin, you're a star |
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| 06:10.06 | Guerin | Azar: WTF, i *found* the damn iso already |
| 06:10.06 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4983 |
| 06:10.07 | stoned | Guerin, I am completely relaxed. I don't care about this job anymore. Nothing can pay me enough to lie/cheat/steal from dear sweet old ladies |
| 06:10.09 | schme | v2.5, 07 March 2002 great |
| 06:10.09 | Azar | stoned, I haven't had a day off in 3 months |
| 06:10.14 | Guerin | through about two minutes of sustained googling |
| 06:10.15 | stoned | Guerin, I can't keep peddelin crap |
| 06:10.17 | stoned | I just can't do it |
| 06:10.21 | multi_io | schme: I found it. It is for parallel port drives only |
| 06:10.24 | Azar | Guerin, you are a superstar |
| 06:10.31 | czr | Guerin, maybe he's on a really really slow satellite link |
| 06:10.35 | Guerin | stoned: i'm sad it's taken you so long to come to this conclusion. |
| 06:10.41 | eitan | multi_io: so should I unload it/ |
| 06:10.42 | eitan | ? |
| 06:10.55 | Guerin | czr: i think it's the neuro-visual link which is slowest |
| 06:10.56 | stoned | Guerin, I got dicked over on my pay too. I have not seen my commission in 2 months |
| 06:11.04 | Guerin | the meat/electricity barrier |
| 06:11.10 | czr | Guerin, I guess we'll never know :-) |
| 06:11.15 | multi_io | schme: look into /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/Kconfig , under config SCSI_PPA |
| 06:11.24 | schme | multi_io: ok. Then it really just ought to work as ATAPI :S |
| 06:11.26 | multi_io | eitan: I don't think it'll do any harm |
| 06:11.39 | schme | ide-floppy: hdd: I/O error, pc = 0, key = 2, asc = 3a, ascq = 0 hrm |
| 06:11.54 | stoned | Guerin, I went to google and other sources and did my research. Dell is evil. |
| 06:11.58 | eitan | multi_io: I will follow exactly what you say... just tell me what to do. If you want me to unload it, let me know. |
| 06:12.01 | Guerin | stoned: NO SHIT |
| 06:12.06 | stoned | I mean not just in the casual sense of the world either |
| 06:12.11 | stoned | I mean pure evil |
| 06:12.28 | Azar | get a job as accountant |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:12.34 | stoned | I think I'd much rather shovel shit for 5$ an hour honestly |
| 06:12.52 | Guerin | shoveling shit ain't a bad job for the first few hours |
| 06:12.53 | stoned | than make commission of people loaded up with a system with thigns they will never use |
| 06:12.53 | Azar | wow math so badly broken? |
| 06:13.05 | czr | heh. funny effect. using wget to download the images. once wget said that the ftp server returned "using anonymous... login incorrect". interesting :-) |
| 06:13.08 | multi_io | eitan: the line schme posted looks like a hardware or driver problem |
| 06:13.11 | stoned | I might go to labor ready. They pay you at the end of the day |
| 06:13.15 | stoned | I have not lost my job yet |
| 06:13.20 | stoned | they will probably get pissed off at me |
| 06:13.24 | stoned | probably won't fire me |
| 06:13.26 | stoned | I don't give a shit |
| 06:13.33 | schme | multi_io: it's from the end of the latest dmesg . |
| 06:13.35 | stoned | my parents catch my rent if shti goes down |
| 06:13.40 | stoned | debian rules |
| 06:13.41 | multi_io | schme: yeah, saw it |
| 06:13.41 | stoned | ! |
| 06:13.42 | Guerin | stoned: are you in an at-will state? |
| 06:13.46 | schme | eitan: Do you know if the zip drive actually works .. ? |
| 06:13.49 | stoned | at will |
| 06:14.00 | Guerin | so they probably WILL fire you |
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| 06:14.05 | Azar | hey what about packing groceries? I like the job.. for the moment |
| 06:14.05 | stoned | I don't give a shit |
| 06:14.06 | eitan | schme: it works |
| 06:14.07 | multi_io | eitan: I'd really try to boot into Windows 2000 now and see if it works there |
| 06:14.14 | stoned | im through lying to people |
| 06:14.25 | Azar | $4.50/hour but hey, there is some money |
| 06:14.36 | stoned | money isn't everything, but it sure as hell buys a new computer when I want one |
| 06:14.41 | eitan | first look at this and let me know if it tells you anything that we should be doing: https://iomega-na-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/iomega_na_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=410&p_created=1072727112&p_sid=dVXNUEqi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9OSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPXNlYXJjaF9mbmwmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9MSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj0xNiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPTg0JnBfc2NmX2Fuc3dlcl9jYXRlZ29yeT0yJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li= |
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| 06:14.53 | Guerin | god, that hurts my eyes |
| 06:14.59 | schme | the mother of all urls |
| 06:15.08 | stoned | still.. I can't look myself in the mirror. I might be a pothead, but not a thief. Michael Dell is a fucking thief man. |
| 06:15.19 | stoned | just a street hustler on a global scale |
| 06:15.39 | Azar | stoned, nothing better than a home made PC |
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| 06:15.46 | czr | stoned, aren't we all if you take a close enough look? |
| 06:15.49 | multi_io | eitan: they're using the scsi emu there |
| 06:15.55 | eitan | well anyway... I mean to say, iomega has an installation scheme, so could you look at it and see if we're should be doing somehting differently? |
| 06:15.58 | multi_io | (insmod ide-scsi) |
| 06:16.02 | stoned | I'm gonna go apply at a local mom&pop type or local computer repair shop |
| 06:16.07 | stoned | I enjoy doing this work |
| 06:16.08 | Azar | karsten where did you vanished? |
| 06:16.25 | Guerin | Azar: karsten is uncommonly busy most hours |
| 06:16.25 | stoned | I think I'm gonna say fuck it to everyrhing and pursue my dream |
| 06:16.29 | schme | eitan: My thinking here is that even if you use scsi-emu (as iomega suggests) it would fail because of these I/O errors. |
| 06:16.34 | stoned | I'm gonna finish my music degree and teach/play |
| 06:16.35 | Azar | stoned go give PC classes to old ladies |
| 06:16.40 | Guerin | stoned: you want to be a rock god like steve vai? |
| 06:16.46 | stoned | no |
| 06:16.53 | stoned | I like to serenade myself |
| 06:16.57 | stoned | but I'm better than abrotman |
| 06:17.00 | stoned | :) |
| 06:17.21 | Azar | open up shop : Stoned: giving PC lessons and massage |
| 06:17.33 | stoned | nah dude, I'm a good teacher, I like to teach music |
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| 06:17.59 | Azar | old ladies pay better than rude kids |
| 06:18.03 | schme | ide-scsi would just try to use ide-floppy, no? and ide-floppy gives I/O errors on hdd |
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| 06:18.25 | stoned | I think I'll go contentment out of my life even if it means no expensive toys or high quality weed |
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| 06:18.42 | stoned | I don't care anymore, somehow, being ill, watching office space, having time to think about my life |
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| 06:18.52 | stoned | I concluded I want to be happy, not miserable |
| 06:18.56 | stoned | I hate going to work now |
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| 06:19.04 | cryosphere | hello |
| 06:19.10 | Azar | not good... change the work |
| 06:19.14 | stoned | exactly |
| 06:19.18 | multi_io | schme: the iomega docs seems to suggest that ide-scsi does not use ide-floppy |
| 06:19.20 | cryosphere | how can I rename my network interfaces |
| 06:19.30 | stoned | im gonna go to work and not even try to sell |
| 06:19.37 | Azar | JOe Moe and Curly? |
| 06:19.38 | Guerin | cryosphere: more context. |
| 06:19.42 | cryosphere | ok |
| 06:19.43 | stoned | i'll let them pay me as long as they want to pay me |
| 06:19.47 | stoned | other than that, Im through |
| 06:19.50 | stoned | fuck Dell |
| 06:19.50 | stoned | . |
| 06:19.54 | schme | multi_io: Ah... |
| 06:19.59 | cryosphere | kanotix automatically named my wireless interface as eth0 |
| 06:20.04 | eitan | let me ask this: should I change the group on the zip250.0 drive to "floppy" instead of "root" ? |
| 06:20.12 | cryosphere | and my ethernet interface as eth1_temp |
| 06:20.20 | cryosphere | and I don't like that |
| 06:20.21 | schme | eitan: ide-scsi was what you were using last boot .. ? |
| 06:20.22 | Guerin | cryosphere: → #kanotix |
| 06:20.26 | cryosphere | well |
| 06:20.27 | cryosphere | yes |
| 06:20.30 | Guerin | cryosphere: this is a case of NOFP |
| 06:20.34 | NaufraGo | can I use the ares server for amule? |
| 06:20.36 | cryosphere | but everyone is asleep there |
| 06:20.40 | stoned | cryosphere, you are using kanotix now or debian? |
| 06:20.41 | czr | no floating point? |
| 06:20.42 | Guerin | NaufraGo: you have our permission |
| 06:20.49 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 06:20.49 | dpkg | somebody said nofp was Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 06:20.55 | cryosphere | kanotix |
| 06:20.56 | cryosphere | BUT |
| 06:20.57 | schme | eitan: You can change the group of ziy250.0 to whatever you feel like at the moment (; |
| 06:20.58 | Guerin | cryosphere: use debian, or don't. |
| 06:21.00 | multi_io | eitan: that's irrelevant at this point |
| 06:21.00 | eitan | schme: I don't know. |
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| 06:21.13 | NaufraGo | Guerin, is it possible? |
| 06:21.17 | Guerin | !possible |
| 06:21.17 | stoned | cryosphere, anything but debian is not guaranteed to run debian packages, and such we cannot support you |
| 06:21.17 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 06:21.21 | czr | Guerin, irony doesn't work too well here I see :-) |
| 06:21.22 | schme | eitan: can you unload ide-floppy and load ide-scsi ? |
| 06:21.24 | eitan | ok... if you're sure |
| 06:21.25 | stoned | cryosphere, you can try ##linux |
| 06:21.34 | Guerin | czr: *sigh* |
| 06:21.37 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 06:21.51 | NaufraGo | stop telling meanings! |
| 06:22.13 | eitan | schme: why do you think I should unload ide-floppy? Don't I need that for my floppy drive? |
| 06:22.18 | stoned | possiblities fall under practicalities. there are some impossible things. |
| 06:22.24 | schme | eitan: oh! you have floppy drives |
| 06:22.30 | cryosphere | im not really looking for gaurantees |
| 06:22.34 | NaufraGo | is there any ares server url to use it by amule? |
| 06:22.44 | stoned | Guerin, you can't live without oxygen. its not possible. |
| 06:22.48 | Guerin | NaufraGo: this is not a newbie warez help site |
| 06:22.59 | schme | eitan: most floppy drives are not ide floppy drives |
| 06:23.01 | stoned | just an example so I could yank yer chain |
| 06:23.02 | stoned | :D |
| 06:23.07 | Guerin | stoned: that's outside the scope of hashdweebian |
| 06:23.14 | NaufraGo | isn't it a debian users channel? |
| 06:23.20 | eitan | hmmm... what are they if they are not ide? |
| 06:23.30 | Guerin | NaufraGo: yes, it is. |
| 06:23.31 | cryosphere | ok |
| 06:23.35 | NaufraGo | good. |
| 06:23.35 | cryosphere | IF i was using debian |
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| 06:23.50 | cryosphere | and I wanted to chang the network interface names |
| 06:23.56 | cryosphere | how would do it |
| 06:23.58 | Guerin | cryosphere: try editing /etc/network/interfaces and bring them up again |
| 06:24.05 | Guerin | or is there something called nameif? |
| 06:24.08 | Guerin | there might be |
| 06:24.15 | Guerin | ECBA |
| 06:24.15 | cryosphere | with pump -i interface_name |
| 06:24.16 | cryosphere | ? |
| 06:24.39 | Guerin | cryosphere: no, because that's not usually how you'd do it in debian |
| 06:24.47 | eitan | schme: what kinds of floppy drives are there other than ide? |
| 06:24.52 | insmod | cryosphere: edit /etc/network/interfaces and change the name in modutiles |
| 06:24.57 | cryosphere | ok |
| 06:24.59 | czr | cryosphere, pump -i interface_name = use interface x for dhcp. not "rename interface" |
| 06:25.07 | multi_io | schme: the docs for ide-floppy say that ide-floppy is used to support Ide ZIP drives too |
| 06:25.14 | Guerin | cryosphere: the naming is usually done by the kernel, so it's almost entirely OS-dependent |
| 06:25.15 | Rubin | what is psdevtab? |
| 06:25.23 | cryosphere | ok |
| 06:25.24 | Guerin | Rubin: a thing you can fucking google. |
| 06:25.28 | eitan | ok... so that settles that... I'm keeping ide-floppy |
| 06:25.31 | schme | eitan: they tend to sit on some seperate controller :) |
| 06:25.32 | cryosphere | ok |
| 06:25.37 | cryosphere | thanks |
| 06:25.37 | Guerin | !fgi Rubin psdevtab |
| 06:25.38 | dpkg | Rubin: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=psdevtab |
| 06:25.38 | multi_io | this i/o error appears to be somewhat common: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ide-floppy%3A+hdd%3A+I%2FO+error%2C+pc+%3D++0%2C+key+%3D++2%2C+asc+%3D+3a%2C+ascq+%3D++0%22+Zip&btnG=Google+Search |
| 06:25.39 | Rubin | Guerin: i googled it, thanks |
| 06:25.47 | schme | multi_io: I am suspecting hardware malfunction :S |
| 06:25.57 | Rubin | Guerin: i still dont understand, so i asked |
| 06:25.57 | eitan | R you sure I should not change the group of the zip250.0 drive to floppy? |
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| 06:26.25 | multi_io | eitan: we're sure it does not matter at this point :) |
| 06:26.29 | Rubin | whats with all the hostility? |
| 06:26.34 | cryosphere | how do I edit modutils |
| 06:26.51 | multi_io | as long as you can't acces the drive, all talking about mounting, groups etc. is moot |
| 06:26.55 | Guerin | Rubin: it's not hostility, it's triage. |
| 06:27.09 | schme | eitan: My thinking is to rmmod ide-floppy and load ide-scsi .. just to see if it says anything amusing |
| 06:27.13 | insmod | cd /etc/modutils |
| 06:27.13 | Rubin | the f word makes it hostile |
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| 06:27.18 | Guerin | nah |
| 06:27.18 | multi_io | eitan: |
| 06:27.32 | multi_io | eitan: try the bytes copying thing again |
| 06:27.41 | Guerin | Rubin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1996/05/msg00340.html #from google |
| 06:27.41 | multi_io | eitan: dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:27.44 | Rubin | i have a system which was broken into, and there is a psdevtab in /tmp dated at the time of the breakin, so im trying to understand why that might be |
| 06:27.51 | czr | Rubin, kickban is hostility. not the f word. f word is born from annoyance :-) |
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| 06:28.03 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 06:28.20 | Guerin | Rubin: ah. That's likely a dummy process list to confuse you when you try to detect unauthorised processes. |
| 06:28.23 | czr | Rubin, you actually running the system still? |
| 06:28.29 | NaufraGo | does anybody know giFT? |
| 06:28.33 | Rubin | czr: in a sandbox.. |
| 06:28.35 | czr | Rubin, disco it from the network at least immediately if so. |
| 06:28.39 | czr | ah, ok. good |
| 06:28.47 | Guerin | !gift |
| 06:28.55 | dpkg | hmm... gift is a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
| 06:29.08 | Rug | Can anybody suggest a good channel to find CLI magicians? I need help with sed |
| 06:29.11 | Guerin | oh, it's in sid now |
| 06:29.20 | Rubin | so devtab is a cache for ps? i guess i dont understand the link between ps and /dev |
| 06:29.21 | schme | Rug: #bash tends to be good.. |
| 06:29.22 | Guerin | Rug: #bash |
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| 06:29.27 | NaufraGo | is that a good app? |
| 06:29.28 | Rug | Thanks folks |
| 06:29.39 | cryosphere | insmod: ok i found the folder, but which file actually maps the hardware to a given network interface name |
| 06:29.42 | Guerin | Rubin: all I know about is is in that google hit I pasted. |
| 06:29.50 | Guerin | Rubin: but that's my guess. |
| 06:29.51 | Rubin | i already read that also |
| 06:30.15 | eitan | epc:/dev# dd if=/dev/hdd/ bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:30.15 | eitan | dd: opening `/dev/hdd/': Not a directory |
| 06:30.15 | eitan | 0 |
| 06:30.26 | Guerin | eitan: lose the / |
| 06:30.36 | eitan | I have an observation to make... |
| 06:30.51 | multi_io | eitan: no / behind hdd |
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| 06:31.30 | eitan | When I had fstab written as /dev/sda4 /media/zip250.0 and then rebooted ... /dev/sda ceased to exist (and there was no sda4 either) |
| 06:32.00 | multi_io | that's probably a udev issue |
| 06:32.13 | eitan | but there was hdd and hdd1 through at least hdd40 |
| 06:32.15 | insmod | cryosphere: in debian you would do it there -- look through each also check modules and or modules.conf --- just cat file |grep eth1_temp -- or eth0 |
| 06:32.36 | multi_io | i.e. udev removed /dev/sda for some reason |
| 06:32.48 | pulaski | hello |
| 06:32.58 | eitan | but when I changed fstab to /dev/hdd4 /media250.0 and then rebooted ... /dev/hdd ceased to exist, as well as hdd4, and /dev/sda suddenly reappeared |
| 06:33.05 | schme | eitan: At the moment the ZIP drive is not regarded as a scsi device... sda was not important and removed |
| 06:33.39 | schme | eitan: I presume you have loaded different modules at those boots |
| 06:33.52 | pulaski | is anyone here familiar with the TiLP package available via aptitude? |
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| 06:33.59 | eitan | schme: what I'm saying is it seems like it depends on what I have in fstab that determines whether udev creates hdd or sda . |
| 06:34.12 | multi_io | that's well possible |
| 06:34.24 | eitan | how do I conigure udev to stop pulling these tricks? |
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| 06:34.57 | schme | Good question. put neither in there? Put both in there? |
| 06:35.15 | chronographer | hi all, I got problems again: apt-get wont update "the following packages have unmet dependences" Segmentation fault. |
| 06:35.18 | multi_io | for testing purposes you could disable udev altogether so the whole situation gets less confusing |
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| 06:35.35 | multi_io | but still, what schme says. the I/O error is the problem right now |
| 06:35.36 | chronographer | also synaptic says my xfce packages are broken... how do i fix them! |
| 06:35.53 | multi_io | eitan: what does the dd command I posted say? |
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| 06:36.05 | multi_io | (if you remove the / behind hdd) |
| 06:36.10 | eitan | neither made it so that the drive wouldn't even show up in the "computer" window |
| 06:36.13 | schme | eitan: if you rmmod ide-floppy, insmod ide-scsi try the ol' dd bytecount.. do you get anyting nice in the dmesg? |
| 06:36.16 | eitan | who knows what both will do |
| 06:36.17 | eitan | ? |
| 06:36.30 | multi_io | eitan: dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:36.31 | multi_io | eitan: dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:36.36 | multi_io | ! |
| 06:36.41 | stoned | dude |
| 06:36.42 | stoned | no |
| 06:36.44 | stoned | !repeat |
| 06:36.44 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:37.06 | stoned | well |
| 06:37.09 | eitan | epc:/dev# dd if=/dev/hdd/ bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:37.09 | eitan | dd: opening `/dev/hdd/': Not a directory |
| 06:37.09 | eitan | 0 |
| 06:37.24 | multi_io | argh |
| 06:37.36 | multi_io | eitan: remove the / behind the hdd |
| 06:37.36 | stoned | lol |
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| 06:37.55 | eitan | epc:/dev# dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:37.55 | eitan | dd: opening `/dev/hdd': Input/output error |
| 06:37.55 | eitan | 0 |
| 06:37.57 | chronographer | anyone know how to fi broken packages? |
| 06:38.04 | eitan | should I put the zip disk in the drive? |
| 06:38.08 | schme | oh god |
| 06:38.09 | chronographer | fix* |
| 06:38.12 | multi_io | YES! |
| 06:38.13 | multi_io | :P |
| 06:38.15 | stoned | chronographer, whats the problem |
| 06:38.20 | Guerin | chronographer: aptitude -f install; |
| 06:38.20 | chronographer | should I remove, then install theM/ |
| 06:38.37 | stoned | chronographer, if a package is broken, check it out on BTS or report it |
| 06:38.50 | NaufraGo | I've installed giFT, now, I don't know how do I run it, can anybody help me? |
| 06:38.52 | stoned | chronographer, wait for a debian dev to fix package |
| 06:38.52 | eitan | epc:/dev# dd if=/dev/hdd bs=1000 count=10 | wc --bytes |
| 06:38.52 | eitan | 10000 |
| 06:38.52 | eitan | 10+0 records in |
| 06:38.52 | eitan | 10+0 records out |
| 06:38.52 | eitan | 10000 bytes transferred in 0.096498 seconds (103629 bytes/sec) |
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| 06:38.54 | chronographer | that is bad too, says: the following packages have unmet dependencies... Segmentation fault |
| 06:38.56 | Guerin | stoned: he's using kanotix |
| 06:38.57 | schme | oh gosh |
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| 06:39.07 | stoned | Guerin, thanks |
| 06:39.08 | schme | multi_io: congratulations |
| 06:39.11 | teledyn_ | Nameeater: run gift-setup |
| 06:39.12 | Guerin | chronographer: this is what using kanotix is all about - it's terminally broken |
| 06:39.13 | eitan | now what? |
| 06:39.16 | schme | eitan: congratulations to you too |
| 06:39.17 | Guerin | !kanotix |
| 06:39.17 | dpkg | hmm... kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 06:39.25 | multi_io | eitan: very nice, it works perfectly |
| 06:39.25 | chronographer | what is kanotix? |
| 06:39.28 | NaufraGo | teledyn_ that was for me? |
| 06:39.31 | eitan | it does? |
| 06:39.32 | schme | eitan: fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 06:39.34 | ice63 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.34 | multi_io | yes. |
| 06:39.36 | teledyn_ | NaufraGo: yes |
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| 06:39.43 | Guerin | chronographer: something you can google |
| 06:39.48 | multi_io | eitan: fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 06:39.59 | eitan | epc:/dev# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 06:39.59 | eitan | Disk /dev/hdd: 100 MB, 100663296 bytes |
| 06:39.59 | eitan | 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 96 cylinders |
| 06:40.00 | chronographer | ok. |
| 06:40.11 | chronographer | thx |
| 06:40.12 | eitan | Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes |
| 06:40.12 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.21 | eitan | /dev/hdd4 * 1 96 98288 b W95 FAT32 |
| 06:40.24 | multi_io | beautiful |
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| 06:40.47 | pstickne | what is 'checkvirtfs'? it's in my / |
| 06:40.52 | schme | eitan: now change the /dev/sda4 in your fstab to /dev/hdd4 |
| 06:41.11 | eitan | ok... so now can or should be able to double click on the drive in the "computer" window... or is there something else I need to do first? |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | pstickne: never heard of it |
| 06:41.57 | pstickne | okay. gonna (re)move it. judging from the permissions it looks like it might have been created by vmware ^^ |
| 06:42.00 | eitan | schme: are you sure? |
| 06:42.12 | eitan | multi_io: do you concur with schme? |
| 06:42.13 | insmod | chronographer: i don't use gift but i do -- cd /var/ca*/apt/ar* dpkg --force overwrite i thik it is then apt-get package again -- repeat and rinse till fixed |
| 06:42.21 | multi_io | eitan: yes |
| 06:42.40 | Guerin | insmod: god,m that's wrong in so many ways |
| 06:42.59 | multi_io | the drive works physically, now you can care about mounting, groups and stuff |
| 06:43.00 | eitan | but if it's working now, why do we want to change fstab? short answer? |
| 06:43.13 | insmod | Guerin: something like that -- hadn't done it in a while but it works |
| 06:43.17 | multi_io | fstab wan't used so far |
| 06:43.21 | multi_io | eitan: |
| 06:43.34 | eitan | didn't we get here by booting and fstab was read as it is now? |
| 06:43.34 | multi_io | fstab is purely a convenience thing, which... |
| 06:44.24 | multi_io | ..enables you to type "mount /somewhere" instead of "mount -t somefilesystem" /dev/hdxy /somewhere" |
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| 06:44.37 | chronographer | i don't particularly want to force things I dont understand! |
| 06:44.55 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 06:45.01 | karsten | Azar: Question? Sorry, as Guerin noted, busy. |
| 06:45.09 | unsucht | hi everyone, i'm having problems getting custom services to start at boot time, can someone help me troubleshoot? |
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| 06:45.11 | multi_io | because if you just type "mount /somewhere", mount will search in fstab for a matching line and will get the somefilesystem and /dev/hdxy from there |
| 06:45.14 | chronographer | I think xfce is broken4... but I can't fix it because I have unmet dependencies... |
| 06:45.24 | eitan | ok. I changed fstab to hdd4 |
| 06:45.25 | eitan | now what? |
| 06:45.27 | karsten | eitan: Still trying to sort that thing? |
| 06:45.35 | eitan | karsten: yes |
| 06:45.48 | chronographer | apt-get -f install gives a segmentation fault |
| 06:46.03 | insmod | Guerin: dpkg --force-overwrite that it i think then clear and apt-get -- repeat untill no dep issues |
| 06:46.19 | chronographer | so if I wait for xfce or whoever to fix problem? how will it update my machine? |
| 06:46.26 | insmod | Guerin: works every time |
| 06:46.30 | Guerin | insmod: it's a very good way to fuck yourself even more badly than you've already been fucked |
| 06:46.34 | multi_io | eitan: mount /zip250 |
| 06:46.38 | eitan | karsten: maybe... but I don't have usb flash drives right now |
| 06:46.45 | insmod | Guerin: no |
| 06:46.53 | multi_io | (or whatever directory you'Ve named in fstab) |
| 06:46.58 | eitan | mutli_io: you mean mount /media/zip250.0 ? |
| 06:47.04 | Guerin | insmod: the fact you've had to do it more than once ever is a good indication of this |
| 06:47.20 | chronographer | How do I change hardware clock? |
| 06:47.21 | multi_io | eitan: whatever directory you'Ve named in fstab |
| 06:47.39 | unsucht | where is most bootup information logged to? |
| 06:47.45 | karsten | eitan: If you haven't already, with the Zip disk installed and a disk in it: uname -r; lsmod; cat /proc/partitions; cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 06:47.47 | multi_io | (in the line containing /dev/hdd4) |
| 06:47.47 | insmod | Guerin: no just for big upgrade of one or to progs -- like when k3b upgraded to do dvd |
| 06:47.47 | Guerin | unsucht: dmesg |
| 06:47.49 | karsten | chronographer: man uname |
| 06:47.52 | eitan | /dev/hdd4/media/zip250.0autorw,users,noauto00 |
| 06:47.54 | karsten | chronographer: erm: man hwclock |
| 06:47.59 | chronographer | thx |
| 06:48.13 | karsten | eitan: ... and paste all of that to the Debian paste channel. |
| 06:48.15 | multi_io | eitan: yeah, so it'S mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 06:48.19 | karsten | !tell eitan about paste |
| 06:48.21 | unsucht | y can't i find anything there partaining to started/not started services? |
| 06:48.23 | schme | karsten: the zipdrive works now |
| 06:48.30 | karsten | schme: OK. |
| 06:48.35 | karsten | eitan: Nevermind. |
| 06:48.35 | multi_io | karsten: we're past that :) |
| 06:48.47 | karsten | eitan: Just remember three things about Zip. |
| 06:48.52 | karsten | eitan: Zip sucks. |
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| 06:48.56 | karsten | eitan: Zip sucks. |
| 06:49.05 | karsten | eitan: Zip really, truly, absolutely, fucking sucks. |
| 06:49.07 | multi_io | !tell karsten about repeat |
| 06:49.10 | multi_io | :P |
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| 06:49.27 | karsten | multi_io: Yeah, yeah. |
| 06:49.33 | insmod | Guerin: if it recks kde i don't care i don't use it -- just its k3b |
| 06:49.53 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4984 |
| 06:49.57 | unsucht | i used update-rc.d scriptname defaults to create symbollic links in the rc folders but still nothing works |
| 06:50.23 | unsucht | i can also see the symbolic link in the rc folder, and i know the script works because i tried manually |
| 06:50.31 | insmod | Guerin: but i don't think it recks it if you eventualy solve all the dep issues -- just takes long |
| 06:50.55 | Guerin | insmod: ... |
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| 06:50.58 | Guerin | wrecks |
| 06:51.20 | insmod | Guerin: yes |
| 06:51.32 | multi_io | eitan: 07:48 < karsten> eitan: Nevermind. |
| 06:52.00 | multi_io | eitan: ok, mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 06:52.09 | eitan | ok |
| 06:52.34 | eitan | epc:/dev# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 06:52.34 | eitan | epc:/dev# |
| 06:52.50 | multi_io | congrats |
| 06:52.55 | multi_io | it worked |
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| 06:53.04 | DimmuR | morning everyone |
| 06:53.06 | multi_io | look into /media/zip250.0 |
| 06:53.23 | multi_io | karsten: we're using it through ide-floppy now |
| 06:53.24 | schme | karsten: ide-floppy instead of ide-scsi .. it sits at hdd |
| 06:53.31 | schme | and what multi_io said |
| 06:53.32 | NaufraGo | how do I run giFT? , I already run gift-setup |
| 06:53.34 | eitan | ok... now can I go to the "computer" window and double click on the zip drive? |
| 06:53.43 | eitan | or what should I do now? SHould I reboot? What? |
| 06:53.49 | Guerin | NaufraGo: RTFM |
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| 06:54.07 | schme | Try clickin' it |
| 06:54.17 | Guerin | NaufraGo: gift is a daemon - you need to run a client, like giftcurs |
| 06:54.18 | eitan | look into using a terminal window or nautilus? |
| 06:54.21 | eitan | ok |
| 06:54.59 | eitan | ok.. first I see a pretty little zip disk icon where they drive used to be... how cute. |
| 06:55.07 | multi_io | eitan: I'm afraid nobody here knows exactly what that "computer" window does internally |
| 06:55.17 | pstickne | dpkg, subversion |
| 06:55.17 | dpkg | [subversion] a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 06:55.38 | NaufraGo | I run giftcurs and it asks if giFT is running.. |
| 06:55.56 | eitan | I double clicked on the zip disk icon and it opens up a window and I can see the file. |
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| 06:56.26 | eitan | can I try to close the window and eject a disk now? is it safe? |
| 06:56.31 | multi_io | yes |
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| 06:56.53 | multi_io | try everything the gui window offers you to do with the zip icon |
| 06:57.45 | eitan | ok.. I ejected it... |
| 06:57.58 | eitan | can I put it back in the drive without having to manually remount it? |
| 06:58.19 | schme | Try it. |
| 06:58.34 | NaufraGo | Guerin, I run giftcurs and it asks if giFT is running.. |
| 06:58.38 | pstickne | in deb where is the default home for svn repos? |
| 06:58.51 | eitan | ok that works... |
| 06:58.55 | multi_io | how did you eject it? via the GUI or by pressing the button on the drive? |
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| 06:59.08 | r3m | hmmm dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system do nothing, what is the commande pelase |
| 06:59.11 | r3m | pelase |
| 06:59.13 | r3m | please* |
| 06:59.21 | Guerin | NaufraGo: it's a daemon. Did you start it? If you had READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION you'd be leeching warez now instead of getting your arse flamed off for being retarded. |
| 06:59.21 | eitan | well both... |
| 06:59.30 | Azar | r3m: you use xorg or xfree86? |
| 06:59.34 | r3m | xfree |
| 06:59.35 | eitan | it needed me to do eject through the window... then it said "can't eject media" |
| 06:59.43 | eitan | then I pressed the button and then it ejected |
| 06:59.49 | eitan | ok.... |
| 06:59.52 | eitan | before we continue... |
| 06:59.54 | Azar | r3m: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 07:00.03 | r3m | Azar thanks! |
| 07:00.06 | eitan | (i'm willing to live with that eject problem if that's the only issue) |
| 07:00.34 | NaufraGo | I don't know too much about linux Guerin. another thing.. STOP INSULTING USERS! |
| 07:00.34 | schme | I am sure the eject issue can be solved somehow... it is not anything for me to solve though :) |
| 07:00.45 | eitan | I want to write down all of the changes from the debian base installation that we implemented to get the zip drive working so I can recreate it again if something happens without having to spend 8 hours on chat again. |
| 07:00.57 | eitan | what's the list of things we did? |
| 07:01.08 | schme | ... |
| 07:01.29 | schme | Seeing how we started of with something that was not base install I have no idea |
| 07:01.30 | Azar | Guerin, first time I enjoy free fall chats in here |
| 07:01.49 | schme | I mean you had a few modules configured and what not. |
| 07:01.58 | eitan | oh come on... what things need to be done to make the zip drive work... what did we do? |
| 07:02.13 | multi_io | eitan: we don't use ide-scsi. i.e. you remove it from /etc/modules if it's in there |
| 07:02.18 | schme | hrm.. load ide-floppy, and set up fstab I believe |
| 07:02.33 | multi_io | yes |
| 07:02.40 | multi_io | is ide-floppy in /etc/modules ? |
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| 07:03.46 | kiyu | Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 07:03.56 | kiyu | i get error when starting my isc dhcp |
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| 07:04.06 | kiyu | how to solve it? |
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| 07:04.16 | kiyu | it's used for relay |
| 07:04.18 | Guerin | kiyu: configure it? |
| 07:04.26 | eitan | ok I wrote down the changes we made to etc/modules |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin | and wtf does a dhcpd have to do with relay? |
| 07:04.32 | eitan | I wrote down the changes we made to fstab |
| 07:04.34 | eitan | what else? |
| 07:05.11 | eitan | ide-floppy was already automatically loaded. I didn't need to put it in etc/modules |
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| 07:06.15 | eitan | we did a bunch of different commands to check the status of the drive... but those didn't really affect the system, right? |
| 07:06.22 | multi_io | right |
| 07:06.41 | eitan | then we did the mount command... but that should be taken care of by fstab now at reboot right? |
| 07:06.47 | derelm | my postfix seems to be crazy in 2007 - it refuses to send my mails pointing me to the system clock that should be fixed |
| 07:06.57 | multi_io | the mount should work now right from the start without doing anything before that |
| 07:06.58 | kiyu | how to solve it? |
| 07:07.02 | Guerin | derelm: fix the system clock? |
| 07:07.03 | multi_io | eitan: right |
| 07:07.05 | schme | eitan: not quite.. but clicking your icon should mount |
| 07:07.16 | Guerin | kiyu: there might be a file in /etc/default you have to edit |
| 07:07.18 | derelm | but honestly, server && client clocks are nearly in sync (like 1 sec difference) |
| 07:07.28 | kiyu | Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 07:07.36 | derelm | Guerin: i just ntpdate'd both with the same server |
| 07:07.38 | multi_io | eitan: you should be able to boot into the gui and use the window without having to issue any mount command or any other command |
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| 07:07.43 | Guerin | derelm: weird. |
| 07:07.50 | kiyu | the NIC is on 10.4.0.0/24, i want it to serive 10.4.2.0/24 however |
| 07:08.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:08.12 | derelm | Guerin: i noticed this for the first time in 2007 - my last send was on dec 21st but it worked fine |
| 07:08.18 | Guerin | you can't run a daemon on a range |
| 07:08.43 | Guerin | kiyu: whatever you're trying to do you're either a. not explaining it properly or b. completely delusional |
| 07:08.45 | pstickne | hmm; am I missing something? subversion doesn't seem to include anything wrt running the server (nothing in init.d, no-option reconfigure, etc) |
| 07:09.11 | eitan | super... I hope so. |
| 07:09.13 | Guerin | derelm: suggest asking #postfix or on the postfix mailing lists |
| 07:09.24 | derelm | Guerin: the really funny thing though: the server refuses mails from itself with the same error! |
| 07:09.26 | eitan | So now, the next step is to reboot and see if it still works, right? |
| 07:09.32 | Guerin | derelm: haha |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | awesome |
| 07:09.41 | derelm | Guerin: just did - but seems ilke everyones still sleeping |
| 07:09.46 | multi_io | eitan: right, try it |
| 07:09.57 | Guerin | derelm: best of luck |
| 07:10.25 | eitan | cross your fingers |
| 07:10.29 | eitan | i'll be back |
| 07:10.33 | NaufraGo | how do I start a daemon? |
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| 07:10.50 | Guerin | NaufraGo: depends on the daemon. it's usually DOCUMENTED in the FUCKING DOCUMENTATION. |
| 07:11.02 | Guerin | !helpfile ninjas |
| 07:11.02 | dpkg | For help with ninjas, look in /usr/share/doc/ninjas There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 07:11.38 | NaufraGo | and where the fuck is the documentation? :) |
| 07:11.49 | Guerin | NaufraGo: see above re: ninjas |
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| 07:13.16 | schme | multi_io: That "should I put in the disk" made it all worth it :) I had no idea if I should laugh or cry |
| 07:13.26 | multi_io | :-D |
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| 07:14.42 | schme | perhaps havin imm, ide-scsi and ide-floppy all loaded at the same time messed it up in the first place |
| 07:14.54 | kiyu | Guerin, the NIC is on 10.4.0.0/24, i want it to serive 10.4.2.0/24 however |
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| 07:15.33 | eitan | I'm back |
| 07:15.35 | multi_io | well, that read error in dmesg was confusing |
| 07:15.36 | eitan | with bad news |
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| 07:15.40 | multi_io | ? |
| 07:15.42 | NaufraGo | gift documentation didn't help me |
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| 07:15.47 | eitan | I put the zip disk in the drive |
| 07:16.01 | eitan | and double clicked on the zip drive icon... |
| 07:16.04 | Guerin | kiyu: you want to run the dhcpd on that address, or you want he dhcpd to serve that range? |
| 07:16.09 | eitan | it said "unable to mount volume" |
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| 07:16.14 | eitan | I ejected the disk |
| 07:16.14 | Guerin | NaufraGo: ask #gift or something |
| 07:16.17 | eitan | now what? |
| 07:16.32 | multi_io | mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:17.33 | eitan | epc:/home/eitan# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:17.33 | eitan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | eitan: do so. |
| 07:17.49 | multi_io | no! |
| 07:17.53 | multi_io | it's in fstab |
| 07:17.58 | schme | eitan: what does your fstab say ... just the zip line ? |
| 07:17.59 | eitan | that's what I said. |
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| 07:18.23 | multi_io | yeah, look into fstab |
| 07:18.32 | eitan | /dev/hdd4/media/zip250.0autorw,users,noauto00 |
| 07:19.10 | multi_io | try fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 07:19.13 | NaufraGo | does anybody know about gift? |
| 07:19.27 | multi_io | this seems quite strange |
| 07:19.41 | eitan | epc:/# fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 07:19.41 | eitan | Disk /dev/hdd: 100 MB, 100663296 bytes |
| 07:19.47 | schme | perhaps vfat isn't loaded ? |
| 07:19.51 | eitan | 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 96 cylinders |
| 07:19.51 | eitan | Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes |
| 07:19.57 | kiyu | Guerin, serve that range |
| 07:20.00 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.00 | eitan | /dev/hdd4 * 1 96 98288 b W95 FAT32 |
| 07:20.03 | multi_io | ok |
| 07:20.48 | kiyu | Guerin, dhcpd run on 10.4.0.1/24 |
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| 07:20.48 | Guerin | kiyu: configure it, then. If you don't know how, read the documentation. |
| 07:20.48 | kiyu | Guerin, and serve 10.4.2.0/24 |
| 07:20.48 | multi_io | looks good |
| 07:20.48 | Guerin | kiyu: no, a dhcpd cannot RUN on a range |
| 07:20.48 | eitan | vfat is loaded |
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| 07:20.55 | Guerin | nothing can run on a RANGE of ip addresses, it's like a cat siting on the sill of more than one window - can't be. |
| 07:21.59 | multi_io | eitan: try to change the "auto" in the fstab line to "vfat" |
| 07:22.20 | multi_io | and then mount /media/zip250.0 again |
| 07:22.28 | eitan | but what if I format a zip disk with ext2 ? then what'll happen? |
| 07:22.52 | Guerin | eitan: then you'll change it |
| 07:22.56 | multi_io | it won'T work then. this is just a temporary change to find the problem |
| 07:23.01 | eitan | oh ok |
| 07:23.31 | eitan | done |
| 07:23.53 | eitan | epc:/# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:23.53 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 07:23.57 | multi_io | alright |
| 07:24.23 | schme | umount it and try the clickity click |
| 07:25.02 | eitan | epc:/# umount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:25.02 | eitan | epc:/# |
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| 07:25.20 | multi_io | ok, worked. try the clickity click |
| 07:25.24 | eitan | the clickety click worked |
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| 07:25.31 | schme | Jolly good. |
| 07:25.44 | schme | Now deposit $500 to my bank account. |
| 07:26.01 | eitan | I don't have $500 available to deposit into your account. |
| 07:26.12 | eitan | now what? |
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| 07:26.21 | multi_io | for the record, I never in 7 year of linux usage saw the need to format external media like USB sticks, ZIPs, diskettes with anything other than vfat :P |
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| 07:26.35 | eitan | oh... super |
| 07:26.38 | sid | Is it possible to mount an .iso file(iso9660 with udf file system) as non-root? |
| 07:26.38 | eitan | ok... now what? |
| 07:26.58 | multi_io | still, it'd be nice to know how the "auto" filesystem discovery works |
| 07:26.58 | sid | I have ownership on file.iso, I just need to modify a file inside the image. But I don't have access to root. |
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| 07:27.41 | schme | For some reason I have the idea in my head that ext2 is not the best thing for floppies and what not. |
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| 07:28.02 | eitan | ok fine... then we'll keep it as vfat |
| 07:28.07 | eitan | so now what? |
| 07:28.21 | multi_io | eitan: modprobe autofs |
| 07:28.23 | schme | eitan: If you don't have the $500 I can't tell you the rest :S |
| 07:28.38 | pstickne | is there a reason why subversion doesn't seem to come with a server runner? |
| 07:28.56 | eitan | schme: ok |
| 07:29.22 | multi_io | hm no, autofs is something else, right? |
| 07:29.44 | eitan | wait... you want me to do autofs or not? |
| 07:30.22 | schme | autofs seems to be some sort of automounter |
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| 07:30.33 | schme | eitan: Isn't it working .. ? What more is there? (: |
| 07:30.55 | multi_io | eitan: umount if it's mounted, and try this: |
| 07:31.06 | schme | eitan: other than install sxemacs and change yer windowmanager xwem (: |
| 07:31.23 | multi_io | mount -t auto /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:31.26 | eitan | it works now... but we want to make that permanent after a reboot |
| 07:31.51 | multi_io | eitan: you did modprobe autofs ? |
| 07:31.58 | multi_io | and it works then? |
| 07:32.00 | schme | eitan: I believe it will be permanent.. as long as all your zip disks are vfat |
| 07:32.05 | sid | You file system people know how to modify a file inside an .iso image(udf fs) |
| 07:32.05 | eitan | epc:/# umount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:32.05 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 07:32.36 | eitan | epc:/# mount -t auto /dev/hdd4 /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:32.36 | eitan | epc:/# |
| 07:32.48 | schme | autofs is automounter .. |
| 07:32.58 | multi_io | ok, worked. umount again |
| 07:33.01 | sid | !tell eitan about paste |
| 07:33.06 | eitan | No I did not modprobe autofs. Should I do that now? |
| 07:33.42 | schme | no nevermind the autofs |
| 07:33.56 | eitan | sid: We've been doing this for 8 hours, we can't be spending our time using the paste channel to paste 2 lines. |
| 07:34.23 | multi_io | eitan: try the mount /media/zip250.0 now again |
| 07:34.24 | eitan | multi_io: do the autofs or not/ |
| 07:34.25 | eitan | ? |
| 07:34.28 | schme | if you want it to work with auto in the fstab creating /etc/filesystems with vfat and what not listed.. but it is not necessary |
| 07:34.30 | multi_io | not |
| 07:34.48 | sid | eitan: It was 4 lines, and if you don't like the paste channel use www.rafb.net/paste |
| 07:34.48 | multi_io | schme's right I think, it's the automounter |
| 07:35.29 | eitan | epc:/# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:35.30 | eitan | epc:/# |
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| 07:36.32 | schme | multi_io: from the mount page I seems that filetype auto checks /etc/filesystems and /proc/filesystems for what filesystem types to check for .. but why use anything but vfat on these disks ? |
| 07:36.32 | eitan | ok... now what? |
| 07:36.35 | multi_io | ok, so something changed when you did that mount -t auto .... |
| 07:37.22 | multi_io | schme: I concur, but it's still nice to know how that "auto" thing works. So I can learn something new here too :) |
| 07:37.50 | multi_io | eitan: so something changed when you did that mount -t auto .... |
| 07:38.00 | czr | hmm. sorry for the silly question, but what would be a relative command line sw package that still includes man pages in multiple locales? |
| 07:38.13 | multi_io | I would look in dmesg now to see whether the system printed anything at that time |
| 07:38.17 | schme | multi_io: it looks thru /proc/filesystems and tests for all types not marked as nodev . If there is /etc/filesystem it uses the order specified in there |
| 07:38.20 | czr | (trying to write a short example on localepurge & zerotools integration) |
| 07:38.34 | schme | oh |
| 07:38.36 | schme | multi_io: sorry. |
| 07:38.53 | eitan | do you want me to do a dmesg? |
| 07:38.54 | schme | multi_io: it looks at /etc/filesystems . if that is not there it looks at /proc/filesystems |
| 07:38.59 | multi_io | schme: you're right, I'm reading the mount manpage now |
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| 07:39.21 | schme | multi_io: putting vfat and ext2/3 in /etc/filesystems would be all that is needed I suppose :) |
| 07:39.59 | czr | proc/filesystems only contains those filesystems which are built into the kernel or their modules are loaded at that moment |
| 07:40.15 | czr | so vfat is not loaded. grep vfat /proc/modules is a simple check for that |
| 07:40.19 | multi_io | doesn't /proc/filesystems contain all filesystems currently loaded? |
| 07:40.35 | schme | czr: but.. vfat was loaded and auto didn't work |
| 07:40.43 | recall | I'm trying to set up NFS, and I can't get rpc.nfsd to start anything other than version 2 even though I have a 2.6 kernel and testing nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server. Is there another dependency I'm missing? |
| 07:40.44 | czr | multi_io, it's a list of filesystem drivers in the kernel. built-in or loaded as modules. |
| 07:41.01 | czr | schme, -t vfat works? |
| 07:41.09 | multi_io | czr: right |
| 07:41.09 | schme | czr: it did, yes. |
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| 07:41.18 | czr | hmmh. |
| 07:41.25 | schme | putting vfat and * on the line after that in /etc/filesystems should do it |
| 07:41.31 | czr | grep msdos /proc/modules? |
| 07:41.31 | schme | and putting hdd4 back to auto |
| 07:41.56 | czr | if msdos (old-school fat) is loaded before vfat it will appear before vfat in /proc/filesystems |
| 07:41.56 | schme | czr: oh. .it's not ME trying to mount vfat. sheesh! |
| 07:42.08 | czr | :-) |
| 07:42.32 | schme | eitan: Do you have any plans on formatting a zip disk with anything but vfat ? |
| 07:42.41 | czr | hmm. this is the point where I should probably say that "i don't support anything put forth by the spawn of microsoft" :-) |
| 07:42.44 | multi_io | schme: you're probably right |
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| 07:42.53 | czr | you could also do auto,vfat in the fstab |
| 07:43.03 | czr | that way if auto fails, vfat would be tried next, or the other way around |
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| 07:43.28 | schme | that's even simpler |
| 07:43.32 | multi_io | but then it will effetively work with vfat only, because auto always fails :=) |
| 07:43.33 | eitan | plans? not really... though it would be nice to have full functionality if possible. |
| 07:43.45 | eitan | what about autofs? won't that solve everything? |
| 07:43.53 | schme | No. autofs is something else |
| 07:43.53 | czr | no |
| 07:43.56 | multi_io | no, that's teh automounter |
| 07:44.07 | multi_io | something completely different |
| 07:44.10 | eitan | czr: I agree with you mostly |
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| 07:44.30 | schme | eitan: The idea seems to be changing "vfat" in fstab to "auto,vfat" |
| 07:44.34 | eitan | czr: is that possble? |
| 07:44.36 | czr | eitan, which part of me you don't agree with? I'll slap it around |
| 07:44.44 | multi_io | eitan: create a file /etc/filesystems, and put a single line "vfat" into it |
| 07:44.47 | eitan | but will auto work without autofs? |
| 07:44.58 | multi_io | yes |
| 07:45.03 | schme | eitan: auto has nothing to do with autofs |
| 07:45.04 | czr | eitan, you don't believe when three people say "no" to you? |
| 07:45.14 | multi_io | eitan: create a file /etc/filesystems, and put a single line "vfat" into it |
| 07:45.14 | eitan | true auto always fails... so why not install autofs? |
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| 07:45.23 | czr | eitan, must be an optimist :-) |
| 07:45.39 | schme | multi_io: the /etc/filesystems need a single line with * there too.. so it goes to /proc/filesystems if the /etc one fails. |
| 07:45.41 | multi_io | eitan: forget autofs |
| 07:45.59 | czr | btw, if anyone is running debian inside virtual machines, drop me a note (or other linux distros) |
| 07:46.00 | schme | so filesystems or change fstab to "auto,vfat" |
| 07:46.07 | multi_io | schme: ah, ok |
| 07:46.21 | eitan | czr: just the idea of being compatible with microsoft formats... I don't see how that can hurt, only help linux |
| 07:46.30 | schme | "If /etc/filesystems ends in a line with a single * only, mount will read /proc/filesystems afterwards." sounds like a good idea |
| 07:46.35 | eitan | ok wait... |
| 07:47.03 | multi_io | eitan: create a file /etc/filesystems, and put a the lines "vfat" and "*" into it. Then change the line in fstab back to "auto", and reboot and try if everthing works then |
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| 07:47.18 | schme | don't forget about the $500 |
| 07:47.41 | schme | I do hope that filesystem trick forces vfat to be loaded.. |
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| 07:47.56 | samuel | in the terminal how can i list all packages installed? |
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| 07:48.25 | multi_io | samuel: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*' | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' |
| 07:48.46 | eitan | ok I'm having trouble making the file... how do I do that? |
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| 07:48.55 | multi_io | eitan: as root |
| 07:49.03 | samuel | multi_io, thanks, whats the COLUMS for? |
| 07:49.05 | recall | Does Debian's nfs-common package not include NFS v3? That can't be right.. |
| 07:49.24 | eitan | ya I'm trying... how do I make an empty text file? |
| 07:49.32 | recall | eitan, touch filename |
| 07:49.32 | multi_io | samuel: it makes dpkg assume your terminal it 200 columns wide |
| 07:49.44 | samuel | ok, thanks |
| 07:49.46 | schme | eitan: sudo emacs /etc/filesystems ? |
| 07:49.56 | multi_io | samuel: which means dpkg will not truncate any columns in the table it outputs |
| 07:50.10 | eitan | ok it is done |
| 07:50.13 | multi_io | eitan: what editor are you using? |
| 07:50.16 | multi_io | ok |
| 07:50.27 | eitan | czr: I believe... ok let's move on |
| 07:50.30 | schme | eitan: you actually put vfat and * in it, ya? |
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| 07:50.40 | czr | eitan, well, I was only speaking for myself (wrt microsoft spawns, you're free to support them) |
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| 07:51.18 | eitan | schme: so the etc/filesystems needs to say vfat on one line and * on the next line? |
| 07:51.34 | schme | yes |
| 07:51.35 | DavidProck1981 | just in general , which is better for linux Intel or AMD |
| 07:51.54 | eitan | schme: how about both? should I change fstab too to auto,vfat? |
| 07:52.07 | schme | eitan: nah.. just change fstab to auto |
| 07:52.22 | schme | eitan: umount the zip drive. rmmod vfat .. and try mounting it again |
| 07:52.36 | eitan | multi_io: ok... will do. wait. |
| 07:53.01 | recall | so.. no NFS users active? hmm |
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| 07:53.19 | eitan | schme: I don't have $500 aailable to give to you. |
| 07:53.31 | schme | ): |
| 07:54.00 | czr | DavidProck1981, does that relate to debian? |
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| 07:54.25 | eitan | I used pico. |
| 07:54.31 | czr | recall, I'm here |
| 07:54.42 | czr | recall, v3 is a feature of the kernel module, not the package |
| 07:54.49 | eitan | schme: yes |
| 07:54.59 | czr | recall, I think debian still uses v2 by default (man mount for the options) |
| 07:55.07 | recall | czr, I see, I was beginning to expect that |
| 07:55.21 | czr | recall, it's trivial to change though |
| 07:55.33 | czr | recall, you using automounter or manual fstab? |
| 07:55.42 | eitan | schme: ok... will do. |
| 07:55.44 | recall | manual fstab |
| 07:55.55 | schme | eitan: etc/filesystems should be vfat // * change fstab to just auto . umount the zip drive . rmmod vfat . mount it . and don't paste all the mount and unmount output unless it says something |
| 07:56.15 | czr | recall, add nfsvers=3 for the fs-flags |
| 07:56.32 | schme | eitan: // was a newline |
| 07:56.34 | czr | recall, although I'd suggest you test mount -onfsvers=3 remote:/path /mnt/mount-point first |
| 07:56.39 | eitan | epc:/etc# umount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:56.40 | eitan | epc:/etc# rmmod vfat |
| 07:56.40 | eitan | epc:/etc# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 07:56.48 | czr | recall, just to test that I'm not pulling random things out of my head at least :-) |
| 07:56.48 | eitan | epc:/etc# |
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| 07:57.04 | schme | oh gosh |
| 07:57.19 | schme | eitan: and fstab is set to auto? |
| 07:57.29 | recall | czr, well, rpcinfo -p doesn't show nfs v3 running |
| 07:57.29 | murosai | if i connect two computers together with only ethernet cable how can i transfer files between them or do i need to have a switch or router? |
| 07:57.48 | schme | eitan: it... seems to work |
| 07:57.52 | czr | recall, hmm. which way is giving you problems? running as server or client? |
| 07:58.02 | multi_io | murosai: you need a crosslink cable |
| 07:58.17 | eitan | no ... fstab is set to vfat |
| 07:58.27 | multi_io | argh |
| 07:58.29 | czr | recall, give me a sec, I'll check on debian |
| 07:58.37 | murosai | so normal ethernet cable won't do? |
| 07:58.47 | cahoot | depends on the nics |
| 07:58.47 | recall | czr, I'm trying to mount the drive under Windows, and MS's SFU prefers V3.. I would too. |
| 07:58.59 | czr | murosai, mostly no. some server nics do MDI-X |
| 07:59.03 | multi_io | set it to auto, do it all again (umount; rmmod vfat; mount /media/zip250.0) |
| 07:59.11 | czr | on those one or both will switch internally the pairs across |
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| 07:59.30 | multi_io | only paste lines if error messages appear |
| 08:00.20 | czr | recall, hmm. I see both here. |
| 08:00.31 | czr | recall, you have nfs-kernel-server installed? |
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| 08:00.38 | czr | recall, and you have /etc/exports ? |
| 08:00.40 | eitan | murosai: you need a crossover cable.... if you can buy one, fine... you can make one too... but it's easier to just put a switch in between the two computers and use regular patch cable |
| 08:00.44 | recall | czr, check check |
| 08:00.47 | czr | recall, or better yet, pastebin rpcinfo -p |
| 08:01.16 | czr | recall, stock kernel or custom built? |
| 08:01.20 | czr | (uname -r) |
| 08:01.27 | eitan | ok done: epc:/etc# mount /media/zip250.0 |
| 08:01.27 | eitan | epc:/etc# |
| 08:01.48 | recall | custom, 2.6.14 |
| 08:01.50 | eitan | now what? |
| 08:01.51 | schme | That's amazing |
| 08:01.57 | schme | eitan: Now it's all done. |
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| 08:02.04 | czr | recall, then you have left out V3 support for the kernel NFS driver. |
| 08:02.10 | multi_io | eitan: I'd try rebooting again and see if it all works then |
| 08:02.10 | czr | recall, kernel rebuild for you my friend. |
| 08:02.15 | eitan | so the trick was creating that etc/filesystems file? |
| 08:02.16 | multi_io | (just to be sure) |
| 08:02.24 | multi_io | eitan: yes |
| 08:02.29 | schme | and I learnt the auto,vfat thing in fstab, and the whole /etc/filesystems and /proc/filesystems bit |
| 08:02.31 | multi_io | eitan: for the record: |
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| 08:02.44 | recall | czr, that's what I was afraid of, bummer |
| 08:02.45 | multi_io | eitan: we didn't know that either |
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| 08:02.52 | czr | recall, although if you have your kernel .config handy, pastebin and I'll take a look and verify first |
| 08:03.01 | multi_io | eitan: it'S all described in the documentation for mount |
| 08:03.04 | multi_io | man mount |
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| 08:03.14 | czr | the way kernel interacts with portmapper is sometimes very very funny |
| 08:03.23 | czr | recall, so you have .config, that would be just dandy |
| 08:03.38 | eitan | ok ... so let's try it. |
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| 08:03.55 | recall | czr, let me check, has been a while. |
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| 08:04.11 | eitan | rebooting... will return |
| 08:04.23 | czr | recall, no prob. for future reference, whenever you build custom kernels, copy the .config under /boot (renaming it to something descripitive) |
| 08:04.30 | czr | recall, or enable /proc/config.gz |
| 08:05.55 | schme | multi_io: That was a very polite RTFM :) |
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| 08:07.00 | czr | hmm. any idea why apt-get --purge foo will start with an unlink of /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
| 08:07.03 | robbin | Hi, I have a silly question, where can I find a list of supported monitors for Xorg on Debian? I can't find it in the xorg release note either. |
| 08:07.09 | czr | even before it asks for interactive confirmation? |
| 08:07.20 | fireba11 | robbin: monitors ? |
| 08:07.35 | schme | robbin: I believe any monitor you can plug in to your videocard is "supported" |
| 08:07.37 | recall | czr, luckily I copied to /boot before, http://pastebin.com/849413 |
| 08:08.06 | recall | though "# CONFIG_NFSD_V3 is not set" tells it all |
| 08:08.06 | czr | robbin, normally xorg gets the refresh rates from the monitor itself using DDC signalling |
| 08:08.07 | multi_io | schme: I learned that being polite at all costs always avoids frustration on both sides :) |
| 08:08.08 | czr | recall, well, no need for me to check then :-) |
| 08:08.38 | czr | recall, you still have the kernel built tree handy? |
| 08:08.43 | robbin | okay, thank you. |
| 08:08.54 | recall | czr, I believe so, though I think I did a make clean on it.. |
| 08:08.59 | czr | recall, if so, and if nfsd is built as module, you might get away with a make menuconfig; make ; make modules_install -round |
| 08:09.17 | multi_io | is anyone here using apt-build ? |
| 08:09.37 | czr | ah, then you can't use that shortcut |
| 08:09.47 | czr | or, you might, but probably not. not safe anyway. |
| 08:10.03 | recall | yea :/ |
| 08:10.34 | czr | recall, SFU supports acting as a client? how does this work in practice? it re-exports the nfs-mount as smb-share? |
| 08:10.39 | DavidProck1981 | czr: DavidProck1981, does that relate to debian?, YES |
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| 08:10.49 | eitan | I'm back |
| 08:10.49 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 08:10.53 | czr | Daveman, how? |
| 08:10.59 | czr | sry daveman |
| 08:11.03 | czr | DavidProck1981, how? |
| 08:11.24 | recall | czr, it has a client and server. I'm not sure if it exports the mount as a smb share, I believe it's a direct interface |
| 08:11.37 | DavidProck1981 | whick does debian support better intel or amd |
| 08:11.38 | eitan | is the gang all here? |
| 08:11.52 | czr | recall, direct how? can act as an nfs client? no re-exporting? |
| 08:11.59 | czr | DavidProck1981, both |
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| 08:12.15 | DavidProck1981 | does it favor one over the other |
| 08:12.25 | multi_io | eitan: how's it doing now? :) |
| 08:12.27 | czr | why would it |
| 08:12.35 | recall | czr, what do you mean by re-exporting? it may make a translation internally, but.. as I haven't seen it in action yet, I'm not sure |
| 08:12.36 | DavidProck1981 | don't know, just asking |
| 08:12.47 | czr | 99.99% of debian wouldn't care which manufacturer has made the cpu. |
| 08:13.14 | eitan | ok... it worked but.... |
| 08:13.15 | czr | recall, meaning this: [nfs-server] ---> [sfu acting as a an nfs-client, same machine acting as an smb-server] --> [smb-client] |
| 08:13.22 | eitan | it took clicking several times |
| 08:13.37 | czr | eitan, maybe you're not patient enough? |
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| 08:14.17 | schme | ZIP drives aren't that fast.. I can see how it could take some time |
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| 08:14.37 | eitan | ok... so it's working... let's pray it stays that way... so the solution was: |
| 08:14.41 | czr | any takers on the apt-get question before? |
| 08:14.45 | eitan | add some things to /etc/modules |
| 08:14.48 | recall | czr, there is a gateway feature, though I don't know if it can do a NFS->SMB translation. I'm using just the nfs-client now |
| 08:14.52 | eitan | add a line to fstab |
| 08:14.54 | czr | about unlinking pkgcache.bin? |
| 08:15.01 | eitan | mkdir /media/zip250.0 |
| 08:15.15 | czr | recall, fair enough. question born out of pure curiosity. that's all :-) |
| 08:15.16 | SlayerXP | morning all, let's hope this orbit works, too. |
| 08:15.16 | eitan | and create an /etc/filesystems file containing vfat // * |
| 08:15.24 | eitan | is that all of it? |
| 08:15.35 | czr | recall, I use to do it the other way. rexporting smb-shares via a linux-gw. |
| 08:15.48 | recall | czr, you've made me curious as well, that would be a nice feature |
| 08:15.53 | czr | allows to consolidate multiple shares into an arbitrary directory hierarchy |
| 08:16.09 | czr | so that lusers don't have to know which server holds which share |
| 08:16.15 | multi_io | eitan: you *removed* ide-scsi from /etc/modules |
| 08:16.22 | czr | also used to combine with ncp-servers, but luckily they have gone. |
| 08:16.55 | eitan | yes... ide-scsi is not there anymore |
| 08:17.00 | czr | recall, what makes this interesting is that re-exporting nfs-shares as nfs-shares is not possible :-) |
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| 08:18.32 | recall | czr, ah.. I see |
| 08:18.32 | czr | recall, and of course re-exporting causes some load on the server. an smp with large amount of memory is quite nice feature at that point. processor speed not being a large factor. |
| 08:18.32 | multi_io | eitan: I say that because you said "add some things to /etc/modules" |
| 08:18.32 | czr | it also reduces overall reliability since the gateway system becomes a basket full of eggs. |
| 08:18.37 | sep | czr, you have not considered afs ? |
| 08:18.40 | multi_io | you didn't *add* some things as far as I'm aware :) |
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| 08:18.53 | JackT | hello |
| 08:19.08 | czr | sep, interesting proposition. why would afs solve any problems? |
| 08:19.23 | multi_io | eitan: also, technically we're still not sure what causes those I/O error messages in the dmesg log |
| 08:19.26 | JackT | i need help with something =/ |
| 08:19.27 | czr | sep, I know what afs is. so no need to go through basic stuff. |
| 08:19.32 | eitan | yes... I added fat, vfat (though those may have been unnecessary), usblp, and imm |
| 08:19.44 | sep | czr, you get a common naming for all your files withouthaving to reexport them from one location ? |
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| 08:19.48 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know if Any Feature of the nForce 680i will not work on Debian Linux? |
| 08:19.51 | multi_io | eitan: ah, ok |
| 08:20.00 | sep | czr, witch is what i imagined you was after |
| 08:20.03 | recall | czr, the gateway software reserves up NFS shares as windows shares for clients without nfs-client software.. interesting indeed. |
| 08:20.05 | pingouin | hello everybody |
| 08:20.08 | JackT | does anyone know how to switch from Debian to windows on a laptop with no cd drive or floopy? |
| 08:20.09 | czr | sep, well that. plus I get the dubious pleasure to install unsupported windows afs client software. |
| 08:20.11 | JackT | *floppy? |
| 08:20.27 | multi_io | eitan: imm is not necessary, but is probably doesn't do any harm (except taking up a few kilobytes of memory without doing anything) |
| 08:20.41 | sep | czr, adding windows allways makes interesting things painful :) |
| 08:20.49 | czr | recall, sure, why not. there will be some issues with mapping unix/posix acls into ntfs/vms-model, but that would be a problem in any solution bridging the gap |
| 08:20.50 | eitan | ok ... I'll take it out then |
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| 08:21.19 | czr | sep, well, for some people pain is interesting :-). not me though. not every day at least. |
| 08:21.41 | JackT | is it possible to run windows 98 withint debian? |
| 08:21.52 | czr | sep, on a more serious note, I'm looking into gfs at the moment |
| 08:22.04 | czr | sep, solves a totally different problem of course, but still. |
| 08:22.07 | cydork | JackT: should be possible with qemu, kvm or vmware .. |
| 08:22.13 | czr | sep, and no, windowses are not part of that problem :-) |
| 08:22.29 | eitan | ok multi_io ... what do I owe you? |
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| 08:22.31 | JackT | but how would I install it without a cd drive or floppy drive? |
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| 08:22.53 | czr | JackT, get vmware server (free as in beer). most pain-free of the three (xen was not mentioned too) |
| 08:23.12 | cahoot | czr: xen does win? |
| 08:23.13 | czr | JackT, otoh, if you use debian because of your freedom, qemu would be the next pain-freeless choice |
| 08:23.27 | czr | cahoot, using same underlying techniques as kvm. but better obviously. |
| 08:23.32 | czr | cahoot, meaning that it will require VT |
| 08:23.48 | multi_io | eitan: :-P |
| 08:23.53 | czr | better = kvm is much newer than xen. |
| 08:24.02 | cydork | JackT: do you have usb? debian can be installed using usb media |
| 08:24.15 | JackT | once i have qemu or vmware server, will i be able to install windows from a usb thumb drive? |
| 08:24.22 | JackT | i dont have a cd drive or floppy drive |
| 08:24.29 | czr | JackT, if you have the installation media .iso files, then vmware makes it pretty easy |
| 08:24.38 | JackT | oh, okay :) |
| 08:24.40 | czr | what format is the windows in on the thumb drive? |
| 08:24.43 | eitan | I have more interesting questions... |
| 08:24.55 | JackT | will vmware emulate it, or install it completely? |
| 08:25.05 | czr | if .iso, then you have no problem. other than licensing. and the sound of thousands of shocked debian developers while you install windows. |
| 08:25.10 | eitan | multi-io: what happens if the computer is shut off without shutting down debian? |
| 08:25.21 | czr | JackT, "yes". |
| 08:25.34 | JackT | i want to install in permanently, not emulate it |
| 08:25.47 | JackT | also, I have two laptops, i'm keeping debian on one, I want windows on the either :P |
| 08:25.49 | czr | JackT, you have confused emulation with something. |
| 08:26.01 | JackT | im sorry, im still new to all this |
| 08:26.06 | czr | JackT, vmware allows for "permanent installs" if that is what you're after |
| 08:26.14 | czr | as does qemu or any of the things that were mentioned. |
| 08:26.29 | JackT | with an iso, from a usb thumb drive? |
| 08:26.34 | czr | but if you want to play games using virtualized windows, then you might just forget the whole thing |
| 08:26.49 | multi_io | eitan: it'll recover you filesystems on the next boot |
| 08:26.53 | JackT | i dont want to have virtualized windows, i just want to switch from debian to windows permanently |
| 08:26.55 | czr | as long as you can access the files from linux, sure. the iso will be only used for installation. |
| 08:27.01 | eitan | multi_io: so it's not dangerous? |
| 08:27.05 | multi_io | eitan: and there may be arbitrary loss of data |
| 08:27.26 | czr | JackT, so you want that when you boot, you can select between windows OR debian? not running both at the same time? |
| 08:27.30 | eitan | multi_io: but could it make the system unbootable? |
| 08:27.36 | multi_io | eitan: are you trying to set up a system for your grandma or something? :P |
| 08:27.38 | JackT | i just want windows |
| 08:27.40 | sep | JackT, then install windows using a usb cdrom |
| 08:27.46 | czr | JackT, no debian? |
| 08:28.03 | JackT | i have two laptops, i have debian on both right now, on the 2nd i want to go from debian to windows |
| 08:28.04 | multi_io | eitan: that's very unlikely I'd say |
| 08:28.08 | JackT | but it has no cd drive |
| 08:28.10 | JackT | or floppy drive |
| 08:28.10 | sep | JackT, and it's not a debian question either, even if you run debian on the other one :) |
| 08:28.14 | czr | hmm. you've come to #debian to ask how to install windows without mass-media devices? |
| 08:28.23 | JackT | yes, sorry it seems silly :P |
| 08:28.33 | recall | czr, I happened to find my build directory for the kernel i'm using. I'm currently doing a make over those files with a config that supports a NFSv3 module.. can I simply copy the updated module files to the correct location after the make? |
| 08:28.38 | sep | JackT, the guys in #windows mght have more clue to what noncd ways you can install windows in |
| 08:28.38 | eitan | multi_io: and is it dangerous for me to always be logged in as root? Why? Short answer. |
| 08:28.43 | czr | it is. considering you have wasted my time with such a question. use external usb cdrom drive. |
| 08:29.07 | czr | recall, better to do make modules_install. there is a risk that it won't work |
| 08:29.08 | multi_io | eitan: it's impossible if you use ext3 or xfs, I'd say |
| 08:29.12 | czr | recall, modprobe -r nfsd first though |
| 08:29.17 | JackT | damn, i was looking for a way do this without a usb floppy drive or cd drive |
| 08:29.22 | JackT | but it looks like thats my best option |
| 08:29.29 | centrx | is that you crazy russian |
| 08:29.30 | czr | recall, also modprobe -r lockd and sunrpcd |
| 08:29.44 | fireba11 | JackT: what are you trying to do ? |
| 08:29.45 | multi_io | eitan: it is dangerous because you could accidentally f*ck up your system arbitrarily |
| 08:29.49 | enouf | czr: to your apt-get --purge foo .. place a 'remove' in there ? .. same thing with unlink? |
| 08:30.00 | czr | fireba11, install windows without mass-media drives |
| 08:30.00 | JackT | fireba11: switch from debian to windows, without a floppy or cd drive |
| 08:30.02 | recall | czr, alright |
| 08:30.26 | czr | enouf, where? |
| 08:30.28 | eitan | multi_io: is there a quick and simple example of that? |
| 08:30.30 | enouf | czr: IOW a 'apt-get --purge remove foo' |
| 08:30.42 | multi_io | eitan: also, viruses/worms you might catch, say, over the internet, have complete access to your system and could f*ck it up as well |
| 08:30.43 | czr | enouf, no I mean, relating to what? |
| 08:30.46 | Guerin | JackT: what windows? |
| 08:30.51 | JackT | windows 98 |
| 08:30.52 | fireba11 | JackT hm .. i know how to switch linux without any media .. but windows won't do that i think .. biggest problem is you need CD in the drive AFTER the first reboot |
| 08:30.53 | sep | eitan, think of what rm -rf / does when you are a user, and when you are root. |
| 08:30.54 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 08:30.56 | Guerin | JackT: loadlin |
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| 08:31.04 | czr | enouf, please don't test the other programs yet. I'm in the middle of writing docs for it |
| 08:31.05 | Guerin | boots a linux kernel from within dos mode |
| 08:31.07 | Guerin | google it |
| 08:31.16 | enouf | czr: your question about umlink and /vat/cache/apt/... |
| 08:31.16 | multi_io | eitan: but DON'T TRY sep |
| 08:31.18 | czr | enouf, the docs will explain how to integrate the unlinker with apt-get and everything else |
| 08:31.24 | JackT | i'll need the CD in the drive after installation? really |
| 08:31.26 | multi_io | 's command now! :)= |
| 08:31.29 | czr | enouf, ah. |
| 08:31.30 | sep | eitan, actauly if you tried you'd never ask such silly questions again |
| 08:31.39 | czr | enouf, apt-get does the unlink internally |
| 08:31.46 | enouf | czr: --> [03:01:41] <czr> hmm. any idea why apt-get --purge foo will start with an unlink of /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
| 08:31.49 | czr | and yes, there was a remove there. just didn't type it here :-) |
| 08:31.56 | eitan | multi_io: got it |
| 08:31.59 | enouf | czr: ahhh . ok .. nm |
| 08:32.02 | Guerin | JackT: not at all. Resize a partition, put a minimal filesystem on it, boot it using loadlin and go from there |
| 08:32.10 | czr | enouf, yeah. i'm pretty sure it's not caused by my typing skills ;-) |
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| 08:32.41 | eitan | multi_io: ok... regarding break ins and trojans, and viruses, and that sort of thing when I'm surfing... is there anything I need to do to prevent that? |
| 08:32.42 | sep | eitan, point is. if you use your system as a user, and you accidently did something wrong you only hurt your home profile. if you do everything as root you hose your system amd must often reinstall from scratch |
| 08:32.55 | eitan | multi_io: doesn't the router's firewall prevent all that? |
| 08:33.00 | czr | Guerin, he wants to install windows98 to replace existing debian on that system |
| 08:33.11 | JackT | correct |
| 08:33.12 | eitan | multi_io: can hackers get through the firewall? |
| 08:33.13 | czr | Guerin, so that windows will be the only thing that boots on that box. |
| 08:33.15 | Guerin | oh, he wants to reinstall windows? |
| 08:33.19 | czr | Guerin, you see the irony |
| 08:33.20 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 08:33.20 | dpkg | hmm... nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
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| 08:33.32 | JackT | =/ |
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| 08:33.38 | czr | i tried to say that in a polite fashion |
| 08:33.45 | JackT | yeah |
| 08:33.46 | enouf | czr: I can't recall .. but there was some discussion about theat particular file being an issue (for some situation that I can't recall atm ) .. :-( |
| 08:33.47 | czr | but yes. no floating point to you man. |
| 08:33.49 | sep | JackT, but quit asking in here ! it's pointless use a external CD drive or move the harddrive to a pc with cdrom, and quit with asking in wrong channels |
| 08:33.52 | rublind | JackT: very original |
| 08:34.11 | JackT | yeah i should just get a usb cddrive them |
| 08:34.12 | Guerin | no floating point, i get it now. |
| 08:34.13 | JackT | *then |
| 08:34.17 | czr | enouf, for sure. I know what it's used for. just don't understand why apt-get unlinks it before it gets to do anything. |
| 08:34.25 | Guerin | JackT: take the drive out, put it in another box |
| 08:34.29 | czr | Guerin :-) |
| 08:34.43 | dorel__ | hey cydork |
| 08:34.50 | rublind | Guerin: he's a noob. |
| 08:34.55 | cydork | dorel__: hiya. |
| 08:35.00 | Guerin | rublind: no, really? |
| 08:35.05 | rublind | He doesn't want to learn how to use the wifi card, so he wants to revert to windows. |
| 08:35.08 | rublind | Guerin: yessir. |
| 08:35.10 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:35.13 | czr | he lacks floating point. that's all |
| 08:35.24 | eitan | multi_io: am I asking boring newbie questions? |
| 08:35.27 | czr | he's like an original i386 in a world filled with i486s |
| 08:35.31 | dorel__ | cydork: happy new year :P |
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| 08:35.50 | Ramattack | hi anybody |
| 08:35.59 | rublind | mmmm i486's |
| 08:36.02 | Ramattack | I'm using mysql-server package on debian sarge 3.1 |
| 08:36.05 | Guerin | czr: at least he realises. Some try to emulate a FPU for a while, then it gets really ugly. |
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| 08:36.49 | eitan | multi_io: ok... well I'll take off then... since you seem to be busy. Thank you again. |
| 08:37.07 | eitan | exit |
| 08:37.13 | Ramattack | I use it to auth mail users and the auth seem to works properly and everything ok but sometimes think when the mail users are not auth in a day or more... it's like if first time the auth didn't work and later works normal.. but after that you see some aborted clients |
| 08:37.28 | Ramattack | this is no more problem than that aborted clients are worrying me |
| 08:38.03 | Ramattack | are normal to have them? I've chech mysql reference manual... but don't think it's nothing of that because as I say everything works properly |
| 08:38.24 | Guerin | Ramattack: is anything listening on inetd? sql, mta, etc? |
| 08:38.34 | Guerin | or the imap/popd? |
| 08:39.20 | Guerin | the other possible thing might be power management - if it's set to spin disks down or go into some sort of powersave mode it might be taking a while to wake up, causing clients to error |
| 08:39.54 | rublind | JackT: you smell. =x |
| 08:40.12 | Guerin | rublind: you have no way of demonstrating that assertion. |
| 08:40.25 | rublind | Guerin: I know him personally? |
| 08:40.40 | czr | Guerin, even emulation will get you there though |
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| 08:41.02 | Guerin | rublind: you have no way of demonstrating that assertion. |
| 08:41.08 | czr | I think my original reference to i386 was in error though. 386SX was what I was looking for |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:41.19 | rublind | Guerin: you don't want to know. =\ |
| 08:41.27 | Guerin | rublind: you have no way of demonstrating that assertion. |
| 08:41.35 | rublind | Guerin: are you stuck on repeat? |
| 08:41.37 | czr | I was so jealoys when a friend has the SX. I only had a lousy 286 back then |
| 08:41.37 | Ramattack | Guerin : don't think so |
| 08:41.44 | czr | 10 MHz of awesome computing power. |
| 08:41.46 | Ramattack | not at least any pop, smtp, imap... |
| 08:41.54 | Guerin | rublind: no, you just keep making assertions you can't demonstrate :) |
| 08:41.56 | Ramattack | that services are set by me |
| 08:41.56 | ius0 | hi, how do i set anti-aliasing on everywhere in kde (debian unstable)? fonts on some websites aren't anti-aliased in konqueror or iceweasel |
| 08:42.02 | Guerin | czr: up to 25! |
| 08:42.04 | Ramattack | and are not inetd services |
| 08:42.07 | rublind | Guerin: No, just trust me, you don't want to know. |
| 08:42.11 | Ramattack | should I stop inetd? |
| 08:42.31 | Guerin | ius0: that's because the fonts selected for those encodings aren't anti-alias-able |
| 08:42.42 | ius0 | Guerin: bummer, ms-ttf? |
| 08:42.43 | Guerin | Ramattack: not if none of those services are running out of it |
| 08:42.44 | rublind | anti-alias-able |
| 08:42.47 | rublind | my new favorite word |
| 08:42.53 | czr | Guerin, nevermind that. my laser printer (a bit broken, but didn't cost anything) had more memory than my computer. it was ironic that I was thinking of ways of making that memory available somehow to my computer. |
| 08:42.57 | Guerin | ius0: change the encodings in your browser |
| 08:43.28 | Guerin | czr: heh. I struggled for months to get virtual ram working on my amiga 600 so I could run games which required a full meg. |
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| 08:43.43 | Guerin | i think theyc all it `swap' now |
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| 08:43.51 | czr | Guerin, ah. I was jealous of friends who had amigas too. |
| 08:44.03 | ius0 | Guerin: how is that supposed to help? |
| 08:44.09 | czr | back then, I was pretty much jealous about everything that I thought was important to have :-) |
| 08:44.16 | Guerin | ius0: tell it to use fonts which ARE anti-alias-able |
| 08:44.30 | Ramattack | Guerin : I think it could be mua OS thing too... because all auth work proper and writes proper on mysql without aborted clients or warnings |
| 08:44.36 | czr | ius0, is the a-a problem related to font size on the screen? |
| 08:45.04 | ius0 | Guerin: oh, you mean font encoding |
| 08:45.07 | ius0 | czr: don't know |
| 08:45.09 | Ramattack | Guerin : but sometimes after restarting you're machine and having used it in one day the first time it fails but no error log message as said to you |
| 08:45.10 | Guerin | for instance, a korean website will probably use euk-kr encoding, and there will be a font choice in your browser for that encoding. If it can't find the font it'll fall back to something retarded |
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| 08:45.22 | topa_ | hi all |
| 08:45.37 | Guerin | Ramattack: mysterious things like this often take much sleuthery to uncover. |
| 08:45.38 | Ramattack | guerin : it's normal to have some aborted clients? could this damage mysql? or databases¿ |
| 08:45.39 | czr | ius0, you need to have a repeatable test case. can you make couple of screenshots for us which demonstrate the problem? |
| 08:45.41 | topa_ | debian-gnome desktop user here |
| 08:46.02 | topa_ | recently I installed konqueror and now all my folders open in konq instead of nautilus |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | Ramattack: shoudln't damage the database; a few failures would be normal, but nothing near 1% and not on a pattern |
| 08:46.10 | topa_ | how do I revert it back to nautilus |
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| 08:46.30 | topa_ | i tried poking around in /etc/alternatives but there was no entry for nautilus/konq |
| 08:46.39 | ius0 | czr: done, just need a place to upload |
| 08:47.18 | czr | ius0, hmmh. don't know any graphical pastebins, anyone? |
| 08:47.25 | ius0 | czr: doesn't seem like a font size issue either |
| 08:47.45 | czr | hmm. give me couple of urls that have the problem. |
| 08:47.57 | ius0 | czr: anyway i use dejavu fonts which are anti-alias-able on my Source Mage box |
| 08:48.11 | czr | source mage means nothing to me. what is it? |
| 08:48.12 | ius0 | czr: one: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/lex.html |
| 08:48.17 | ius0 | its a source-based distro |
| 08:48.24 | czr | uh oh |
| 08:48.34 | czr | no floating point time. innit? |
| 08:48.49 | czr | ius0, or you running debian now? |
| 08:48.53 | ius0 | yes |
| 08:48.59 | ius0 | this is my work laptop. debian unstable |
| 08:49.03 | czr | ah. fp detected then. nm. |
| 08:49.19 | Ramattack | Guerin : sorry for my english but don't understand the thing before you said... "not on a pattern" and a synonim of sleuthery? |
| 08:49.21 | ius0 | what's the floating point stuff? |
| 08:49.26 | enouf | czr: hrmm .. just did this for fun 'strace -oZOOBAR apt-get -s --purge remove pkgname' .. then grep:d it for link/unlink (nada there) .. so I did /var/cache |
| 08:49.47 | enouf | czr: 1) stat64("/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7660140, ...}) = 0 |
| 08:49.47 | czr | enouf, maybe it's dpkg |
| 08:49.59 | czr | enouf, I activated unlinking for both apt and dpkg |
| 08:50.06 | czr | I'll dig deeper later enouf. |
| 08:50.07 | enouf | czr: 2) open("/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin", O_RDONLY) = 5 |
| 08:50.20 | enouf | ok . just wanted to do .. erm something :-) |
| 08:50.31 | czr | ius0, ah, sry for raising expecations. I don't have a-a enabled on the CRT at all |
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| 08:50.41 | czr | (crt has internal built-in a-a for everything anyway) |
| 08:50.41 | ius0 | czr: ? |
| 08:50.49 | ius0 | crt? |
| 08:50.52 | czr | ius0, = can't help you from the url |
| 08:50.57 | ius0 | okay |
| 08:50.59 | czr | cathode-ray-tube |
| 08:51.19 | ius0 | no prob, my eyes are used to handling legos |
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| 08:51.45 | czr | heh |
| 08:52.12 | czr | it might be a font-mapping problem in where some fonts are mapped into something that you don't have installed and that gets replaced by some ugly pixel-based font (not scalable, hence no a-a) |
| 08:52.45 | ius0 | might be |
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| 08:53.06 | Guerin | Ramattack: I means an occasional failure would be ok, but *very* occasional, and if failures follow a pattern then it's definitely abnormal |
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| 08:54.01 | Guerin | mm, the pork steaks we bought from the shop smell and taste strongly of sulphur |
| 08:54.32 | cahoot | ius0: fwiw it looks fine in konq an ff here - but not in opera |
| 08:54.44 | Ramattack | Guerin : are you there please? |
| 08:54.45 | streuner | Guerin: How was new eve? |
| 08:55.05 | Ramattack | what's sleuthery meaning? |
| 08:55.23 | streuner | Guerin: 'new year' ;-) |
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| 08:55.53 | Guerin | Ramattack: oh. Sleuthery means `searching for something like a detective' |
| 08:56.09 | Guerin | ius0: charset=utf-8 on that site - check your default font for that encoding |
| 08:56.42 | Ramattack | guerin : and not on a pattern? |
| 08:56.44 | keram | can you get quicktime? |
| 08:56.55 | Guerin | streuner: 'twas good. I erected a blue tarp as an awning over my deck, so I could barbecue in indifference to the antarctic southerly and rain. |
| 08:57.14 | NaufraGo | what p2p appdo you suggest me to use? what about amule? giFT? is there any better? |
| 08:57.18 | Guerin | keram: thankfully not, since the Chief Mactard doesn't release it for gnu/linux |
| 08:57.28 | Guerin | NaufraGo: use bittorrent |
| 08:57.30 | keram | ah |
| 08:57.37 | Guerin | NaufraGo: and don't ask here, ask someone who cares. |
| 08:57.43 | keram | is there some sort of substitute? |
| 08:57.50 | Guerin | keram: mplayer or vlc |
| 08:57.59 | Guerin | both play `quicktime' files just peachy |
| 08:58.05 | keram | umk |
| 08:58.07 | NaufraGo | Guerin, I don't whink bittorrent is the best way foy mp3, is it? |
| 08:58.28 | NaufraGo | for |
| 08:58.38 | deb_noob | classic |
| 08:58.42 | Guerin | NaufraGo: it's good enough for everyone else, if it's not good enough for you that would be because you lack sleuthery. |
| 08:58.49 | czr | Guerin, can you read other peoples minds too? |
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| 08:59.19 | Guerin | czr: i seem only to be able to read the minds of stupid people. |
| 08:59.49 | czr | Guerin, hmm. maybe there's some way that we could utilize that for the purpose of greater good |
| 09:00.20 | Guerin | pehaps. |
| 09:00.29 | czr | although, I'm having trouble thinking up any positive things that stupid people could achieve |
| 09:00.41 | czr | other than solve the hunger problem by acting as food |
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| 09:00.58 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:01.01 | czr | since everyone knows that stupidity is the only everlasting natural resource. |
| 09:01.14 | Ramattack | well Guerin thanks a lot then.... have a nyce day |
| 09:01.21 | Ramattack | bye thanks for you're time |
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| 09:01.48 | Guerin | aah, the grammer ... and speling |
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| 09:02.41 | czr | aaron is having a joke on us all behind the great wall of death. |
| 09:03.51 | Guerin | i think they call him L-Ron nowadays |
| 09:04.25 | czr | heh |
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| 09:06.26 | FuriousRage | what package am i supposed to install to get tcl? ('tcl' doesnt exist and cache search gives a millioon results) |
| 09:06.32 | czr | -> back hacking zerotools docs |
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| 09:08.26 | chrismortimore | i upgraded to Etch last night, and when i boot, it freezes at the message "waiting for root file system". i googled around and it came up with checking udev, my udev is up to date. any other thoughts? |
| 09:08.31 | cydork | !wayttd FuriousRage |
| 09:08.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, FuriousRage? |
| 09:08.40 | FuriousRage | install tcl for eggdrop |
| 09:09.09 | cydork | FuriousRage: why are you compiling it? |
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| 09:10.04 | FuriousRage | why not? ;> it kinda feels better to have the eggdrop in the user-dirs then outsode /home/ some way |
| 09:11.08 | EdwardTLS | morning to you all in the EU.... |
| 09:11.27 | EdwardTLS | is there a php oci modules that any one knows of ? |
| 09:14.11 | cydork | FuriousRage: actully i dont agree with you on that one. but if you want to compile it grep thourgh the configure script. Get which file it is looking for and search for that file using apt-file. Or since eggdrop is there in debian you can use build-dep i guess |
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| 09:16.11 | FuriousRage | ok. |
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| 09:18.01 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 09:18.36 | pippijn | how can I make fetchmail fetch all mails again |
| 09:18.41 | pippijn | I did not flush them |
| 09:19.00 | chrismortimore | fetchmail -a |
| 09:19.03 | chrismortimore | i think.. |
| 09:19.05 | pippijn | no.. |
| 09:19.07 | pippijn | I tried that |
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| 09:21.03 | chrismortimore | what version of fetchmail are you running? |
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| 09:21.28 | pippijn | 6.3.6-rc3 |
| 09:21.52 | chrismortimore | try fetchmail --fetchall |
| 09:22.03 | pippijn | I tried putting fetchall into fetchmailrc |
| 09:22.14 | pippijn | nope |
| 09:22.20 | pippijn | doesn't help either |
| 09:22.24 | chrismortimore | hmm... |
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| 09:22.39 | pippijn | it's obviously something people don't want |
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| 09:22.51 | pippijn | I googled and all I get is "it does that and I don't want that" |
| 09:23.09 | chrismortimore | run "fetchmail -v -a", see if it gives any nicer indication of why it isn't doing it |
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| 09:23.30 | pippijn | fetchmail: POP3> STAT |
| 09:23.30 | pippijn | fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 0 |
| 09:23.48 | pippijn | the server says it has no new and no read mail |
| 09:24.15 | sid | Is it possible to mount an .iso file(iso9660 with udf file system) as non-root? I have ownership on file.iso, I just need to modify a file inside the image. But I don't have access to root. |
| 09:24.43 | chrismortimore | sid: sudo or pmount |
| 09:24.58 | chrismortimore | pippijn: i have no clue then |
| 09:25.02 | pippijn | okay |
| 09:25.05 | pippijn | thanks anyway |
| 09:25.36 | streuner | Guerin: barbecue sounds good, what kind of barbecue? |
| 09:26.23 | sid | chrismortimore: How would I mount a .iso file with pmount? I don't see any loop back options or anything like that for pmount. |
| 09:26.46 | streuner | sid: in order to change fstab or use sudo? |
| 09:26.57 | chrismortimore | sid: not sure, never used it myself. just heard it mounts stuff without root privs |
| 09:27.50 | chrismortimore | i would check, but my debian system is somewhat broken just now |
| 09:27.52 | pippijn | it needs to be installed with root privs |
| 09:27.58 | sid | streuner: I have this iso file, and I need to change a byte in VIDEO_TS.IFO to remove region coding, I know how to do it with root...but I don't have root access right now. I just wanted to mount the image, modify the file and either recreate the image, or save changes on the fly |
| 09:28.03 | pippijn | so you need root privs in the first place |
| 09:28.03 | isede | i am running kubuntu and it seems that everything related to cryptography stopped working - HTTPS in firefox and opera, also SSH. what did i screw up? |
| 09:28.22 | isede | i reinstalled openssl |
| 09:28.29 | isede | and ssh |
| 09:28.34 | Fox | you've got the answer isede :) |
| 09:28.57 | isede | Fox: i reinstalled these thins aftre everyhting stopped working |
| 09:29.00 | streuner | sid: ask the admin |
| 09:29.09 | Fox | oh ok |
| 09:29.33 | Fox | isede: no upgrades these days ? |
| 09:29.57 | isede | Fox: some regular stuff, nothing system-wide |
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| 09:30.07 | minerale | greetings, what packages do I need to install so I can 'serve' NFS shares ? |
| 09:30.21 | tarzeau | minerale: nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:30.26 | kkkuxa | hi2all |
| 09:30.30 | cydork | isede: ask #kubuntu |
| 09:30.40 | isede | Fox: i did , they are clueless |
| 09:31.02 | Fox | isede: I'm not cydork :) |
| 09:31.04 | kkkuxa | òóò íà ðóññêîì êòî-íèáóäü ãîâîðèò ? |
| 09:31.18 | pippijn | kkkuxa? |
| 09:31.21 | isede | Fox: they said it's kernel's fault, now i have new kernel, but stuf is still not working |
| 09:31.27 | isede | Fox: thanks for trying |
| 09:31.34 | cydork | !they don't know |
| 09:31.34 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:31.41 | kkkuxa | do you speak russian ? |
| 09:31.43 | pippijn | kkkuxa: ooo ia oonneii eoi-ieaoau aiaioeo |
| 09:31.47 | cydork | !ru |
| 09:31.47 | dpkg | ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 09:31.51 | kkkuxa | :)) |
| 09:32.05 | isede | dpkg: i thought Debian is a the mother-distro for ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 09:32.05 | dpkg | isede: what are you talking about? |
| 09:32.06 | kkkuxa | ok |
| 09:32.23 | kkkuxa | <dpkg> thanks |
| 09:32.25 | sid | !tell isede about ubuntu |
| 09:32.38 | streuner | !tell isede about based on debian |
| 09:32.42 | sid | !thanks |
| 09:32.43 | dpkg | sid: no problem |
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| 09:34.06 | isede | thanks ya'll, i was confused. |
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| 09:34.14 | isede | i will repent |
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| 09:35.17 | chrismortimore | right, i've at least figured out what is wrong with my system stopping booting at "waiting for root file system", it is because "vgchange -ay" isn't actually being ran on boot... |
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| 09:38.27 | minerale | tarzeau: how does nfs authentication go? is it regular ssh-auth ? |
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| 09:39.19 | tarzeau | minerale: no |
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| 09:39.56 | pippijn | chrismortimore: I gto it |
| 09:40.01 | pippijn | chrismortimore: got |
| 09:40.09 | pippijn | chrismortimore: it was a server-side issue |
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| 09:40.17 | pippijn | chrismortimore: I had to change a setting in gmail |
| 09:41.07 | chrismortimore | pippijn: heh, that was unexpected. glad you fixed it anywho :) |
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| 09:42.06 | minerale | tarzeau: how does authentication work then, just simply based on the IP ? |
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| 09:43.59 | pippijn | fetching mail 50 of 373 =) |
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| 09:51.22 | abchirk | !ops Delete spam on join ... is also in #redhat |
| 09:51.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: Delete spam on join ... is also in #redhat |
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| 09:52.43 | minerale | I suspect my ISP might be filtering out "NFS" -- is that possible? -- I know they filter out port 139 for samba, but what port does nfs operate over ? |
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| 09:53.22 | pippijn | minerale: grep ^nfs /etc/services |
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| 09:53.49 | minerale | pippijn: nothing |
| 09:54.09 | pippijn | http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/9c44a9ca5a71329d69d15618c0f32c6f.txt |
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| 09:57.40 | minerale | pippijn: thanks, yeah, it seems I'm not even listinging to that port |
| 09:57.57 | pippijn | ask someone else, it's food time |
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| 10:00.17 | d3c | Hey. I have a major problem. My system tells me it's "read-only". It's a virtual server and I've done nothing to it for 1-2 days but then it suddenly stopped working this morning |
| 10:00.45 | chrismortimore | d3c: check your logs for any filesystem errors |
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| 10:01.13 | d3c | chrismortimore,which logs exactly would be interesting? |
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| 10:01.39 | hybrid_ | someone can help me about the new kernel ? |
| 10:01.49 | chrismortimore | kernel messages |
| 10:02.08 | chrismortimore | so wherever your syslog sends them, thats where you want to look ;) |
| 10:02.26 | hybrid_ | waiting for root file system |
| 10:02.41 | d3c | The thing is, it keeps giving me this error when I sudo -s: "postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/739415.28384: Read-only file system" |
| 10:02.46 | hybrid_ | and then it blocks |
| 10:02.47 | chrismortimore | hybrid_: per chacne are you using an lvm root? |
| 10:02.55 | hybrid_ | lvm ? |
| 10:03.14 | chrismortimore | hybrid_: thats a no then ;) i'm having the same problem because of lvm |
| 10:03.31 | chrismortimore | d3c: you can just remount your filesystem read-write, but it might be dangerous |
| 10:05.29 | d3c | chrismortimore,I don't want to take any risk... I'm running a large website :( Where's the "kernel messages" located? |
| 10:05.55 | chrismortimore | d3c: normally in /var/log/kernel.log i think |
| 10:06.17 | chrismortimore | d3c: at least it is on my arch linux system, the debian box is bust the now ;) |
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| 10:07.19 | d3c | chrismortimore,no such file as /var/log/kernel.log. I've got a "kern.log" but it's empty |
| 10:07.35 | chrismortimore | are you using sysklog or syslog-ng? |
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| 10:08.50 | d3c | chrismortimore,sysklog |
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| 10:09.56 | chrismortimore | d3c: check /var/log/messages, it'll be massive though |
| 10:10.02 | chrismortimore | or it *should* be |
| 10:10.39 | d3c | chrismortimore,can I pm you? |
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| 10:10.59 | chrismortimore | d3c: you can try, but it has a habit of not working ;) |
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| 10:12.14 | nayyar_off | my ftp user can make new file inside their directory but unable to overwrite any file, it give error "unable to overwrite" ? |
| 10:12.43 | hybrid_ | chrismortimore: i have installed the nvidia drivers and the kernel 2.6.18-3 don't want to boot |
| 10:12.46 | hybrid_ | :\ |
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| 10:14.01 | chrismortimore | hybrid_: the nvidia drivers won't stop you booting |
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| 10:14.28 | hybrid_ | then why i can boot the new kernel ? |
| 10:14.32 | hybrid_ | *can't |
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| 10:14.36 | gui | hi |
| 10:14.37 | gui | please how to add alias to eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces file on Debian please ? |
| 10:14.44 | hybrid_ | before the drivers it boots |
| 10:14.54 | hybrid_ | now don't boot |
| 10:15.01 | gui | ? |
| 10:15.29 | nayyar_off | any idea? |
| 10:15.40 | hagabaka | is there a unified place for configuring whether to use mbox or maildir, and the location of mail box, or is it completely program-specific? |
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| 10:16.25 | fireba11 | hagabaka: program-specific for the mail format |
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| 10:16.47 | hagabaka | oh |
| 10:17.13 | langner | Hi! Is there a way to modify the version of a binary deb, after it is built and all? |
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| 10:19.19 | nayyar_off | howcan i enable overwrite option in vsftpd? |
| 10:19.20 | cydork | gui: /msg dpkg ipalias |
| 10:19.50 | gui | oki :) |
| 10:19.51 | gui | thx |
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| 10:20.30 | langner | can I change the versions of a package in a binary deb? |
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| 10:26.58 | capiira | hi |
| 10:27.22 | capiira | happy new year to all |
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| 10:27.55 | Robi | yeah, the same |
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| 10:30.46 | nayyar_off | howcan i enable overwrite option in vsftpd? i mean ftp user can overwrite files? |
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| 10:43.25 | threw | hi all ! |
| 10:43.41 | threw | and happy new year ! |
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| 10:44.09 | threw | does anyone know a software in order to make mechanics (physics) schematics please ? |
| 10:44.20 | raf256 | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 10:44.31 | raf256 | threw: ? like a CAD? |
| 10:45.19 | threw | raf256, yes |
| 10:45.40 | czr | raf256, you same as blackelf? |
| 10:45.47 | threw | but not in order to solve the problem, just for making an image in order to represent the case |
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| 10:46.28 | czr | hmm. I guess not |
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| 10:48.12 | raf256 | czr: did you just called me black? |
| 10:48.31 | czr | raf256, oh noes. just blackelf. I confused you two because of the whois info |
| 10:48.43 | czr | honest mistake :-) |
| 10:48.51 | raf256 | heh ;) |
| 10:48.59 | raf256 | is anyone here bored enought |
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| 10:49.06 | raf256 | and concerned about hardware support for linux |
| 10:49.16 | raf256 | to take part in 10 minut online poll (www)? |
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| 10:51.38 | atlant | lol |
| 10:51.42 | [2007]bI | atlant-> lol ^) |
| 10:51.50 | atlant | debian sucks |
| 10:51.56 | [2007]bI | xaxaxa |
| 10:51.58 | [2007]bI | :) |
| 10:52.24 | Eulex | attack of the clones :> |
| 10:52.29 | tarzeau | minerale: yes |
| 10:52.32 | [2007]bI | :) |
| 10:52.36 | czr | people run debian without hardware raf256 ;-) |
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| 10:52.42 | atlant | attack of the russians |
| 10:52.46 | Eulex | russian clones. |
| 10:52.49 | atlant | yes |
| 10:52.51 | [2007]bI | xexexe |
| 10:52.53 | raf256 | what clones |
| 10:52.53 | [2007]bI | hehehe |
| 10:52.55 | [2007]bI | =) |
| 10:52.57 | atlant | no |
| 10:53.00 | czr | xoxoxo |
| 10:53.11 | czr | although this is not a proper channel for this |
| 10:53.20 | [2007]bI | )) |
| 10:53.21 | atlant | hm |
| 10:53.22 | [2007]bI | rus |
| 10:53.30 | [2007]bI | 72rus |
| 10:53.36 | atlant | :) |
| 10:53.36 | czr | try to keep it "professional" please |
| 10:53.40 | [2007]bI | crv ti orkuda? |
| 10:53.44 | czr | or use pastebin ;-) |
| 10:53.46 | [2007]bI | crv ti ot kuda? |
| 10:53.50 | czr | czr :-) |
| 10:53.51 | Eulex | !ru |
| 10:53.51 | dpkg | methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:54.00 | [2007]bI | =))) |
| 10:54.00 | czr | murmansk, but living in finland. |
| 10:54.07 | [2007]bI | heh |
| 10:54.09 | [2007]bI | cool |
| 10:54.41 | [2007]bI | ya o4en' ho4u v finland ))) |
| 10:54.52 | atlant | )) |
| 10:54.56 | [2007]bI | =) |
| 10:55.04 | czr | english please. |
| 10:55.36 | atlant | he fool |
| 10:55.53 | atlant | he's fool * |
| 10:55.54 | atlant | :) |
| 10:55.55 | czr | so I see :-) |
| 10:56.17 | [2007]bI | cezar i fuck you =)) |
| 10:56.22 | [2007]bI | hehe |
| 10:56.26 | atlant | lol |
| 10:56.27 | czr | maybe later. now I'm busy |
| 10:56.31 | atlant | )0 |
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| 10:56.47 | atlant | [2007]bI: understand? |
| 10:56.50 | CharminTheMoose | happy Gnu year! |
| 10:56.54 | [2007]bI | yes |
| 10:56.56 | [2007]bI | =) |
| 10:57.16 | czr | gnu is not nu? |
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| 10:57.38 | capiira | hmmmm anyone know if i will lose my cryptsetup-luks key if format or delete my first partition and recreate it? |
| 10:57.47 | atlant | no |
| 10:58.01 | capiira | ah good |
| 10:58.01 | blondie | how about less trolling |
| 10:58.18 | capiira | is there a way to save it dow? |
| 10:58.18 | blondie | capiira: I dont know, but dont listen to them |
| 10:58.20 | Eulex | capiira, I wouldn't trust atlant... |
| 10:58.28 | capiira | heh |
| 10:58.33 | [2007]bI | ргр |
| 10:58.36 | CharminTheMoose | Noez blondie,J00 ar3 a n00b! I kid |
| 10:58.38 | [2007]bI | ) |
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| 10:59.56 | capiira | i dont really trust that the key is saved to mbr only |
| 10:59.59 | king_crimson | hi, i've got a quick question... i'm trying to make a floppy image file from a physical disk in debian 3.1 - is there a built-in command that i can use for this, or do i need to download some sort of utility? |
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| 11:00.25 | capiira | i need to find a way to save it down to have the possibility to restore it |
| 11:00.30 | czr | king_crimson, dd if=path/to/image of=/dev/fd0 |
| 11:00.39 | king_crimson | thank you czr! |
| 11:00.43 | czr | king_crimson, if you need to format the floppy, fdformat /dev/fd0 first |
| 11:00.53 | blondie | that's the wrong way round |
| 11:01.04 | czr | I assume he knows that :-) |
| 11:01.17 | blondie | you want if=/dev/fd0 of=/path/to/image |
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| 11:01.19 | czr | fdformat just didn't have time to catch the same train as dd did. |
| 11:01.32 | king_crimson | yeah i knew that if is the source |
| 11:01.33 | czr | ahh. misread the question the wrong way |
| 11:01.35 | czr | true |
| 11:01.39 | king_crimson | i just didnt know the command name to do this |
| 11:01.41 | czr | sry about that |
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| 11:01.48 | king_crimson | its np. trying it now. |
| 11:01.56 | king_crimson | it's to use the image under bochs |
| 11:01.59 | king_crimson | hehe |
| 11:02.28 | king_crimson | cool, looks like it's working |
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| 11:02.32 | Eulex | king_crimson, if the floppy has bad sectors (as is common), check out ddrescue |
| 11:02.52 | king_crimson | thanks for the info eulex. this floppy is good, but i'll remember that in case i ever need it! |
| 11:03.21 | blondie | if it's good now, it'll be broken in a few hours' time ;) |
| 11:03.32 | Eulex | king_crimson, yw :) |
| 11:03.34 | king_crimson | 1474560 bytes transferred in 47.513170 seconds (31035 bytes/sec) |
| 11:03.39 | king_crimson | gotta love that floppy transfer rate |
| 11:03.40 | king_crimson | haha |
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| 11:04.18 | blood | hello |
| 11:04.23 | atlant | [) |
| 11:04.27 | blood | ûûûû |
| 11:04.40 | blood | speak russian? |
| 11:04.50 | king_crimson | i'm actually doing this so i can run old dusty quickbasic 7.1 on here under bochs becuase i was working on an app that i planned to put on my 8088 (historical machines are fun to mess with for some reason) |
| 11:04.57 | atlant | one more russian |
| 11:05.52 | blood | happy new year american friends=) |
| 11:06.03 | atlant | attack of the russian no-clones :) |
| 11:06.07 | king_crimson | thanks blood, you as well! |
| 11:06.26 | blondie | atlant: do you have a debian question? |
| 11:06.39 | atlant | no ban me |
| 11:06.43 | blood | =) |
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| 11:07.18 | blood | nayyar_off how are you? |
| 11:07.18 | dpkg | blood: peachy |
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| 11:07.30 | blood | Metal_Maiden hello :)))) |
| 11:07.31 | Metal_Maiden | blood hi ^) |
| 11:07.37 | blood | lol |
| 11:07.38 | blood | =)) |
| 11:07.39 | king_crimson | darnit, bochs still locks up. it was locking up after saying "booting from floppy" when i was using /dev/fd0 directly as it's A drive |
| 11:07.45 | nayyar_off | howcan i enable overwrite option in vsftpd? i mean ftp user can overwrite files? |
| 11:07.49 | king_crimson | figured i'd try it as an image to see if it helped, but no :( |
| 11:07.57 | king_crimson | bochs still locks up there |
| 11:08.02 | nayyar_off | blood, in trouble |
| 11:08.08 | Satan_Maiden | blood pizdec :))))) |
| 11:08.17 | atlant | Satan_Maiden: hi |
| 11:08.20 | [corn] | hello |
| 11:08.22 | blondie | nayyar_off: change the permissions on the files |
| 11:08.23 | blood | Satan_Maiden gaga=))) |
| 11:08.24 | blondie | !ftp |
| 11:08.24 | dpkg | well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 11:08.31 | Satan_Maiden | atlant hi uncle Vasya |
| 11:08.44 | atlant | Satan_Maiden: lol |
| 11:08.48 | blood | =) |
| 11:09.06 | Satan_Maiden | fusuka :) |
| 11:09.14 | nayyar_off | blondie, what permission should it have, right now it can create new files in dir. but unable to overwrite old files? |
| 11:09.18 | [corn] | that's a secret |
| 11:09.25 | Satan_Maiden | ugoga |
| 11:09.30 | blondie | nayyar_off: new files must be writable |
| 11:09.56 | blood | blondie what is your name? |
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| 11:10.04 | blondie | blondie |
| 11:10.23 | nayyar_off | blondie, you mean the old file which already exists should have write permission? |
| 11:10.31 | blondie | nayyar_off: yes |
| 11:10.31 | blood | sorry for my american |
| 11:10.34 | nayyar_off | blondie, to be overwrite |
| 11:10.34 | blood | =))) |
| 11:10.41 | blondie | your american what? |
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| 11:11.30 | atlant | why we're there? because on this channel it's a lot of people, than on the other channels |
| 11:11.35 | blood | blondie my name is Roman and you? |
| 11:11.37 | king_crimson | ack darnit bochs is a PITA to get working. i wish vmware was open source, because it is one awesome piece of software |
| 11:11.48 | atlant | here* |
| 11:11.49 | atlant | )))))))) |
| 11:11.52 | king_crimson | even in windows bochs isnt the easiest to get working |
| 11:11.57 | czr | king_crimson, you have ethical qualms on using vmware? |
| 11:11.57 | atlant | there=here* |
| 11:12.19 | king_crimson | no, just dont have the funds to pay for it and try to avoid serialz and warez if i can help it |
| 11:12.21 | king_crimson | heh |
| 11:12.29 | blondie | king_crimson: but you can download it free ;) |
| 11:12.30 | xingu | !qemu |
| 11:12.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 11:12.45 | king_crimson | blondie: yeah i used to use it on windows hehe |
| 11:12.47 | oldab | hi! i damaged my dpkg/available file. the system complains about a colon, that shouldn't be there. would a new file be generated, if i deleted it? or do i need to fix it manually? |
| 11:12.48 | blondie | king_crimson: the server version is free... it doesnt have 3D graphics support but should otherwise work |
| 11:12.55 | atlant | blood: where are you? |
| 11:12.56 | king_crimson | oh really? |
| 11:13.00 | blondie | king_crimson: not supported here though |
| 11:13.02 | blondie | yes really |
| 11:13.03 | Satan_Maiden | blood hey ;) asK her age at first %)))) |
| 11:13.04 | atlant | Satan_Maiden: where are you? |
| 11:13.08 | blood | atlant im here=))) |
| 11:13.08 | atlant | ohh |
| 11:13.13 | Satan_Maiden | atlant am here |
| 11:13.16 | blood | Satan_Maiden =))))) |
| 11:13.21 | king_crimson | i know its not supported here... i'd have no prob using vmware i am pretty expert with it |
| 11:13.41 | king_crimson | ok anyway, off to work on this stuff... thanks for the help |
| 11:13.55 | blondie | why don't you three get a room. |
| 11:13.58 | sep | king_crimson, is not vmware server free to use ? |
| 11:14.01 | king_crimson | and dpkg, thanks for that link! |
| 11:14.10 | king_crimson | serp: didn't know the server one was free |
| 11:14.14 | blondie | dpkg is a bot |
| 11:14.14 | king_crimson | sep i meant* |
| 11:14.23 | king_crimson | lol! |
| 11:14.33 | nayyar_off | blondie, let me take a kiss (K) , you are great, heh |
| 11:14.34 | Satan_Maiden | blood fusuka I print so slowly on eng... |
| 11:14.34 | blood | blondie hey. you dont want speak with me? :) |
| 11:14.49 | blood | Satan_Maiden im too=) |
| 11:15.18 | king_crimson | oh one more question... debian related. whenever bochs locks up on me and i switch to another tty to kill the process, it just refuses to kill |
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| 11:15.29 | king_crimson | it says it terminated, but when i run ps -aux again it's still there |
| 11:15.30 | blood | funny channel :) |
| 11:15.31 | atlant | I want sex with american girl |
| 11:15.40 | blood | atlant =-)))) |
| 11:15.47 | king_crimson | atlant: i am at least one of those |
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| 11:15.49 | king_crimson | guess which |
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| 11:16.26 | Satan_Maiden | atlant you are burning :)))) |
| 11:16.28 | nayyar_off | atlant, why not guy ;) |
| 11:16.36 | king_crimson | yeah take a walk on the wild side, atlant |
| 11:16.49 | atlant | nayyar_off: i'm from russia:) |
| 11:17.11 | blood | russia forever =))) |
| 11:17.21 | atlant | oh yeahh |
| 11:17.27 | czr | king_crimson, vmware server and player are both free (as in beer) |
| 11:17.32 | king_crimson | anyway yeah, am i missing something here? i get the pid of bochs from ps -aux, and then i type kill followed by the pid number |
| 11:17.33 | Satan_Maiden | ÄÀ |
| 11:17.39 | king_crimson | but bochs just doesn't die... any ideas? :/ |
| 11:17.42 | Satan_Maiden | ugoga |
| 11:17.48 | blondie | kill -9 |
| 11:17.52 | czr | king_crimson, I use the server to do a lot of x86-preboot work and also for network client testing (has integrated pxe client, but you knew that) |
| 11:18.17 | king_crimson | yup, thats why i love vmware it has pretty much integrated everything :) |
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| 11:18.24 | king_crimson | i guess ill just install that |
| 11:18.29 | Satan_Maiden | atlant blood hey guys, let's home |
| 11:18.36 | blood | Satan_Maiden =)) please speak english |
| 11:18.38 | czr | I pretty much like it since it has much better x86 emulation than others. |
| 11:18.46 | king_crimson | bochs is ridiculously slow anyway |
| 11:18.47 | czr | not 100% perfect, but close enough for me. |
| 11:18.47 | blood | Satan_Maiden ok.....go go go=))) |
| 11:18.49 | king_crimson | yeah it does |
| 11:19.05 | king_crimson | plus the fact that i'm doing this on a pentium 233... yeah bochs may be bad lol |
| 11:19.16 | czr | vmware won't be much faster, don't worry ;-) |
| 11:19.50 | king_crimson | i've actually tried running vmware on a pentium 1 before under XP, but it said my processor class wasn't high enough |
| 11:20.02 | king_crimson | guess it needs at least a PII |
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| 11:20.12 | czr | because of cmovs |
| 11:20.20 | Satan_Maiden | fuck yourself, our sweet american friends :)))))) |
| 11:20.20 | czr | that's pretty much the minimum nowadays |
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| 11:20.34 | king_crimson | ah, an added opcode? |
| 11:20.38 | Satan_Maiden | bb |
| 11:20.40 | blood | GOOD BYE FRIENDS!!! |
| 11:21.05 | blood | from russia with love :)))) |
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| 11:21.21 | svente | hi all. I have some trouble with iceape-calendar. If I import my old CalendarDataFiles.ics, the are stored under .mozilla/..../Calendar/ , but they don´t apear in the calendar. |
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| 11:22.38 | czr | king_crimson, a small set of opcodes. conditional mov:s. |
| 11:22.42 | svente | I´m running seamonkey-1.0.6 - btw, why is it called iceape? |
| 11:22.48 | czr | king_crimson, if you use gcc and -march=i686, that will enable them |
| 11:23.02 | czr | king_crimson, makes code more compact and faster (in most cases) |
| 11:23.11 | czr | although the faster effect is not that big |
| 11:23.20 | czr | mainly to do with smaller code fitting to cache better |
| 11:23.48 | king_crimson | so, a recompile of vmware would be necessary is what youre saying? |
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| 11:24.40 | king_crimson | the exact cpu in the box i'm doign this on is a pentium 1 MMX @ 233 mhz.... does not support cmovs? |
| 11:24.47 | king_crimson | (im guessing no) |
| 11:26.18 | Eulex | king_crimson, the cmov instructios were introduced with the p6 arch (pentium pro) |
| 11:26.25 | Eulex | *instructions |
| 11:26.33 | king_crimson | you people know too much... isnt there a law against this? |
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| 11:27.36 | king_crimson | never tried this emu, might as well give it a shot |
| 11:27.48 | king_crimson | ok you guys have been a big help, thanks |
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| 11:33.39 | Zap-W | need help with NIS trying to transfer some nismaps from master to slave server : [root@gamer yp]# make , netgroup.byuser->oldbox.lanserver.no: Callback timed out , in oldbox /var/log/messages Jan 2 13:12:49 oldbox ypserv[4380]: refused connect from 192.168.1.2:976 to procedure ypproc_xfr (lanserver.no,netgroup.byuser;-4) |
| 11:33.40 | xingu | king_crimson: also see the kvm project which is a qemu ancestor |
| 11:33.42 | xingu | !kvm |
| 11:33.42 | dpkg | well, kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.sourceforge.net/debian.html for installation instructions. |
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| 11:34.27 | king_crimson | thanks |
| 11:34.32 | king_crimson | i'll check that one too |
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| 11:36.34 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 11:37.07 | DevilChaos | does anyone here use deluge for downloading torrents? |
| 11:37.30 | DevilChaos | im finding azureus slow and un-eficiant |
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| 11:38.29 | prea | Happy new year everyone (better late then never xD) |
| 11:38.56 | dererk[work] | :) |
| 11:39.03 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 11:41.44 | prea | having a kinda weird problem, and i dont know for sure where to start looking. nor can i delete the package --> http://pastebin.ca/300834 |
| 11:42.37 | prea | i want to delete the netkit-inetd en replace it with openbsd-inetd but it gives the same error (i'm using etch) |
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| 11:46.29 | xingu | prea: what does egrep -v '#|^ *$' /etc/inetd.conf say? |
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| 11:47.03 | prea | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 11:47.03 | prea | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 11:47.22 | xingu | prea: update-inetd --disable ftp; update-inetd --disable tftp; then try installing openbsd-inetd |
| 11:47.44 | xingu | prea: ... on success - obviously - update-inetd --enable again |
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| 11:48.47 | prea | xingu: :( ==> http://pastebin.ca/300877 |
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| 11:49.05 | Mark_Iron | xingu: grep -x displays all lines which don't start with # or are empty |
| 11:49.17 | Mark_Iron | grep -v of course xingu .. *sorry* |
| 11:50.02 | xingu | prea: ugly; touch /etc/init.d/inetd and try again |
| 11:51.13 | prea | /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm: line 4: /etc/init.d/inetd: Permission denied |
| 11:51.29 | prea | hehe, it has permission i'm root and so is the files (and the rest in that dir) |
| 11:51.53 | xingu | prea: chmod 755 it, and add "#!/bin/sh" "exit 0" as contents |
| 11:52.02 | xingu | prea: it's probably trying to run /etc/init.d/inetd stop |
| 11:52.14 | xingu | prea: and somehow your initscript for netkit-inetd is gone. |
| 11:54.19 | prea | xingu: that did the trick, thnx!. I think the problem was trying to install netkit-inetd that was the initial problem |
| 11:54.54 | xingu | prea: you're maybe not out of the woods yet; now check /etc/init.d/inetd and make sure it's something sensible |
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| 11:55.17 | prea | hmm |
| 11:55.19 | xingu | prea: also, cd /etc; ls rc?.d/*inetd |
| 11:55.19 | prea | indeed lol |
| 11:55.38 | xingu | prea: and make sure it's linked in to the appropriate S/K actions |
| 11:56.24 | prea | xingu: rc0.d/K20inetd / rc0.d/K20openbsd-inetd |
| 11:56.29 | prea | hmm that cant be right |
| 11:57.02 | xingu | so maybe a missing "inetd" script isn't a problem if "inetd/openbsd-inetd" exists and looks sane |
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| 11:58.22 | xingu | prea: if /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd exists and is sane - update-rc.d -f inetd remove |
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| 11:58.27 | xingu | prea: then rm /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 11:58.31 | xingu | prea: but *only* if.. |
| 11:58.50 | cydork | !dbugs 282427 |
| 11:58.54 | dpkg | #282427:I[netkit-inetd] netkit-inetd: upgrade of inetd fails without any indication of why; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:18:01 UTC |
| 11:59.04 | cydork | strange.. |
| 11:59.07 | prea | yeah! that one |
| 11:59.41 | prea | maybe dumd question, but where did you look that up? |
| 11:59.45 | cydork | prea: can you post the netkit-inetd.postinst file? |
| 11:59.52 | cydork | !bts |
| 11:59.52 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:00.25 | cydork | s/post/pastebin/ i dont know why i said post :P |
| 12:00.31 | prea | cydork: /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.postinst: No such file or directory |
| 12:00.39 | prea | sorry, i just deleted it |
| 12:00.54 | prea | i can however do it again if you want to... |
| 12:01.07 | cydork | prea: ok it's fine i will just check it out . :) |
| 12:01.36 | xingu | cydork: it's obviously croaking if services are still enabled in inetd.conf for whatever reason |
| 12:02.06 | prea | oh btw, i did not remove the /etc/initd.conf file thingy... that was missing |
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| 12:06.43 | prea | xingu: thnx for the help, as far as i can see everything is working great again xD |
| 12:07.24 | cydork | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/300897 also http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=netkit-inetd&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all :P |
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| 12:11.48 | debian | Hello friends.. in debian 3.1r4 there are two Dvds.. I am making sure that i am downloading ? |
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| 12:12.53 | fireba11 | debian : ew .. what ? |
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| 12:13.11 | sep | debian, it's usualy more sane to download the netinstall CD's, and then installing the packages you need from the net. only download the DVD if you are going to install on a machine with slow or no network access |
| 12:13.13 | night_elf | hi |
| 12:13.59 | sep | debian, also consider using the etch installer. since that will be released soon. and unless you know that you need sarge. or need to be in production right now it would saev you the upgrading later. |
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| 12:14.28 | debian | sep : yes.. i am getting internet access frequently not on constant basis..thats the reason i am downloading the dvd. |
| 12:14.42 | debian | i am using jigdo right now.. i havent tried etch installer. |
| 12:14.45 | debian | thanx sep. |
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| 12:16.36 | debian | sep : can you please suggest me what should i have to do then ? |
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| 12:18.18 | sep | well if you know exactly what packagse you need, jigido is great. if you need them all available to play with, use the dvd. |
| 12:18.32 | sep | if you have ok netaccess use the netinstaller |
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| 12:20.24 | johntramp | hey. is there a way I can turn my monitor off with a console command? |
| 12:21.35 | debian | okey thax |
| 12:21.35 | debian | good day ahead |
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| 12:30.32 | xingu | johntramp: vbetool/ setterm ? |
| 12:33.20 | solemnwarning | Etch out yet? |
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| 12:34.37 | Ronin | solemnwarning: looked on www.debian.org? |
| 12:35.10 | solemnwarning | Bah, still not out |
| 12:35.42 | jpduyx | solemwarning: who stops u from using etch ? |
| 12:36.36 | nayyar_off | how can i kill my previous login session in #debian ? nayyares is my previous login and i want to kill it? |
| 12:36.42 | solemnwarning | Don't want to use testing branch |
| 12:37.16 | pngwn | nayyar_off, /msg nickserv help |
| 12:37.31 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: etch is frozen. There are about some rare bugs left. After these are fixed it becomes stable. It is a matter of weeks. |
| 12:37.49 | czr | ah. the famous "only one fix to do" problem :-) |
| 12:37.54 | xingu | light-weeks |
| 12:38.41 | pumpkin0 | czr: it's a bit more then 1 fix, there is a page with all the relase-critital bugs somewhere ... |
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| 12:38.53 | czr | pumpkin0, it was just a joke |
| 12:40.03 | pumpkin0 | czr: i know, but most non-debian people will not install etch until it is declared stable (and then comment about the old packages ...) |
| 12:40.23 | Ronin | pumpkin0: sad but true |
| 12:40.34 | blondie | solemnwarning: use "etch"... won't change very much when it's stable (probably) |
| 12:40.55 | czr | pumpkin0, kind a goes with any open source. you have to change the release policy closer to the kernel. just call it stable whatever the real state is. make it easy on your users ;-) |
| 12:41.07 | czr | that way you get much better bug reports from real life situations too ;-) |
| 12:42.14 | dondelelcaro | czr: people actually run stable on real servers; releasing it when it's not ready to be released is not something we're going to be doing. |
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| 12:42.32 | czr | dondelelcaro, wasn't disagreeing |
| 12:42.34 | pumpkin0 | guess why i still run 2.4 on production systems ... i will change to freebsd if debian changes to a kernel-style policy... |
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| 12:43.08 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: there are people still runing 2.0 and 2.2 on production systems... but it's not something that I'd recommend. |
| 12:43.08 | czr | I work with the kernel a lot and the whole mess makes me sad. and a lot of other people too. |
| 12:43.27 | czr | i for one like that debian at least works |
| 12:43.53 | czr | sure it causes some problems when you have to go outside the box, but still. it's a good stable base to start from imho. |
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| 12:45.00 | Malagmyr | What's the easiest way to throttle the outgoing bandwidth available to apache2? |
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| 12:48.45 | pumpkin0 | Malagmyr: my guess: wondershaper. |
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| 12:50.41 | xingu | Malagmyr: libapache2-mod-cband |
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| 12:57.44 | zamaliphe | what to do with this error ??E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.30-1_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 ??? |
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| 12:58.50 | zamaliphe | that pkg is broken i cant remove it and i cant reinstall it what to do ??? |
| 12:59.19 | Malagmyr | pumpkin0, xingu: thanks, i'll check those out |
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| 13:04.34 | sep | zamaliphe, if it's a package from a debian repo you should check BTS for known bugs and workarounds |
| 13:04.36 | Malagmyr | xingu. er. how do i configure this cband thing? i installed the module, but there doesn't seem to be an appropriate manual entry |
| 13:05.20 | xingu | Malagmyr: http://cband.linux.pl/documentation |
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| 13:07.28 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.33 | czr | blackelf, http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools (the zerofilling thingy that I was looking for in apt-get/dpkg and never found a way to implement. zerotools is a generic solution to the problem) |
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| 13:09.06 | Malagmyr | xingu. "Configuration is very simple, you must write only several lines" Irony or bad english? :P |
| 13:09.36 | xingu | Malagmyr: the clue's in the tld, .pl |
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| 13:10.22 | xingu | Malagmyr: their english is way better than my .pl, and the code seems to work as advertised - and that's what's really important, no? |
| 13:10.36 | Malagmyr | xingu: point |
| 13:12.15 | deeler_ | hi ... when i do an dist-upgrade and a new kernel is installed, the old kernels remain present in grub when booting, can i do a apt-get distupgrade that also removes the old kernels ??? |
| 13:13.01 | xingu | czr: "shred -z" |
| 13:13.27 | czr | xingu, you're missing the point |
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| 13:13.54 | xingu | no, I understand the problem space, you're trying to alias unlink(2) with something that zero-fills first |
| 13:14.07 | cahoot | deeler_: you probably want to make sure the new one boots ok first |
| 13:14.13 | xingu | interesting, but there are tools that do this already |
| 13:14.16 | czr | xingu, I'd suggest you look at the test runs with apt-get and dpkg |
| 13:14.21 | xingu | I have |
| 13:14.28 | knoxy | I need to install php-html-template-it and php-pear but to php5.. I've a debian server with backports.org repository.. but I dont find php5-pear and php5-html-template-it in backports.org.. Somebody knows to find this packages? |
| 13:14.40 | czr | and you can make apt-get and dpkg use shred -z automatically before they unlink? |
| 13:15.04 | xingu | czr: no idea, but if not it's just a patch away isn't it |
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| 13:15.26 | czr | xingu, for any program that does unlinks, it's just a patch away |
| 13:15.26 | xingu | czr: to be honest I think that shred *in addition* to the zerofill is desirable for disk images |
| 13:15.39 | czr | xingu, why? |
| 13:15.45 | xingu | czr: far too easy to recover data from them from other contexts |
| 13:15.52 | deeler_ | it does cahoot .... there about 8 entries in grub ... i don't wanna just edit the menu.lst .... how is the best way to remove previous kernels and there associated files? |
| 13:16.03 | czr | xingu, again, you're missing the point. zerofill != security tool. |
| 13:16.08 | cahoot | deeler_: aptitude remove |
| 13:16.08 | xingu | no kidding |
| 13:16.13 | czr | it has very specific purpose and security is not it. |
| 13:16.22 | xingu | I get it, really. |
| 13:16.32 | deeler_ | thx |
| 13:16.35 | czr | then I won't get what you'd achieve with shred in that problem space |
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| 13:16.49 | czr | I bunch of IO which never would hit the disk |
| 13:16.50 | Thms | How many GO takes a Debian netinstall with desktop and "normal" packages ? |
| 13:17.20 | xingu | big picture; if you're not letting unlink(2) be unlink(2), then what else also needs doing at unlink time? |
| 13:17.55 | pumpkin0 | Thms: you french ? It is GB not GO... and about 1 for gnome |
| 13:17.56 | czr | I'm letting unlink be unlink eventually. |
| 13:18.10 | xingu | you probably want to also reliably destroy the backing store, not just meet the minimum criteria for sparse allocations |
| 13:18.10 | Thms | pumpkin0: yes I'm french |
| 13:18.32 | czr | xingu, there is no way to reliably destroy backing store from a virtualized environment |
| 13:18.36 | czr | reliable way even |
| 13:18.54 | czr | there are versioned block-level storage systems which are COW. all the time. |
| 13:19.17 | xingu | gosh, really? |
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| 13:21.09 | czr | xingu, if adding shred functionality seems like a good idea to you, I'll accept patches |
| 13:24.57 | Thms | Can I change the order of the lines in grub ? For Windows is highlighted by default ? Because actually that boot on Debian if I touch nothing :( |
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| 13:26.07 | pumpkin0 | Thms: sure. /boot/grub/menu* . There is one line about which entry is preselected by default. |
| 13:26.28 | Thms | thanks |
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| 13:28.58 | sledge_ | hi |
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| 13:30.06 | xingu | czr: just on a stray thought - are you doing online, or offline compression? |
| 13:30.33 | czr | xingu, depends on the environment |
| 13:30.57 | czr | some environments use snapshots anyway |
| 13:31.09 | czr | so it's pretty easy to pull a copy of the vdisk in order to archive it |
| 13:31.30 | czr | after some block-based differencing against and older version. there are many possibilities |
| 13:31.32 | xingu | czr: I was wondering if a pass over the cold image that works like a defragmentation pass but just shifts unallocated blocks to the end of the image and then truncates the file might be in order |
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| 13:32.20 | xingu | czr: and might in fact yield better results; you could virtually get that for free if you tacked a compression pass on the end of it and you're doing the compression pass already |
| 13:32.33 | czr | xingu, well, a much better would be (assuiming offline) to do defragmentation, but write to a "sparse" file. only that the sparsing would be implemented inside the file, not at vfs |
| 13:32.54 | xingu | czr: ie, the time dimension to compress-only vs remap-truncate-compress would be similar I'd think |
| 13:33.14 | czr | there are some complications on anything that works on block level directly |
| 13:33.21 | czr | from outside the environment that is |
| 13:33.27 | czr | LVM being one of them |
| 13:33.47 | czr | if the vdisk is of dynamic nature, then you'd have to parse that as well |
| 13:34.09 | czr | althought the latter is not that difficult, I have parsers for that |
| 13:34.22 | czr | LVM currently is causing some headaches. no proper documentation for the on-disk structures |
| 13:34.29 | czr | and it keeps on changing all the time (lvm2) |
| 13:35.19 | czr | as for the defragmentation, I was thinking of using ext2defrag (or whatever it's called), but refactoring that on top of something that does lvm/vdisk-structures is pita |
| 13:35.40 | xingu | right, that's why I started out by asking if you were specifically compressing the file image |
| 13:35.58 | czr | also you'd have to store information about partitioning and that adds a separate layer of indirection. assuming the fs is clean. if it's not then you can't do anything. |
| 13:36.00 | xingu | if you are, there's some scope to remap unused blocks to the end of the file as part/parcel |
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| 13:36.27 | czr | well, I'm actually approaching the whole problem from another direction (not related to zerotools) |
| 13:36.33 | sledge_ | i got an error while running apt-get dist-upgrade. I think i fixed the problem. To get the dist-upgrade finished i can start it with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 13:36.35 | czr | zerotools was just something that popped out of curiosity |
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| 13:36.46 | xingu | it almost sounds like there's scope here for a fs that has this as a design statement |
| 13:37.11 | xingu | you need to be able to treate unused blocks the way the vm treats NULL allocations |
| 13:37.14 | czr | was looking for zero-filling in apt-get/dpkg, or implementing it using hooks, but that didn't go nowhere. then read apt-get/dpkg source code, that didn't go anywhere either. so decided to do a wrapper. |
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| 13:37.33 | czr | that. or you implement the compressing below the vm |
| 13:37.43 | czr | online too |
| 13:37.49 | xingu | mm, people have tried that with swapfs |
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| 13:38.02 | czr | tried what? |
| 13:38.05 | czr | compressing swap? |
| 13:38.08 | xingu | yep. |
| 13:38.34 | czr | well, let's take a small example |
| 13:38.51 | czr | suppose you have a vm production environment where you're running more or less the same os |
| 13:39.06 | czr | in each of the vms. for arguments sake say you have 20 of them per node |
| 13:39.14 | xingu | I think the problem space is very real, there's no sane way at present to deal with unlink on layered volumes or filesystems for that matter |
| 13:39.23 | czr | you're right |
| 13:39.35 | czr | the whole logical<->physical map is devilishly difficult to obtain |
| 13:39.38 | xingu | the missing atom is being able to pass a hint through the layers - hey, remap this block to NULL |
| 13:40.00 | czr | that too |
| 13:40.01 | xingu | so for stacked filesystems, that becomes - remap and truncate |
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| 13:40.34 | czr | well, take another small example. suppose that the underlying system detects that binary zeroes are being written to some block |
| 13:40.55 | czr | for the whole block length. that is a (possible) indication of separation of that block from active extend |
| 13:40.57 | czr | extent even |
| 13:41.00 | xingu | some transports will naturally compress the IOP |
| 13:41.07 | xingu | if they're l8zs encoded or whatever. |
| 13:41.12 | xingu | but the storage is still burnt |
| 13:41.12 | czr | (assuming something like zerotools or explicit support from the filesystem) |
| 13:41.20 | czr | sure |
| 13:41.22 | xingu | which isn't an issue at the lowest physical layer |
| 13:41.27 | xingu | but - is, for stacked volumes. |
| 13:41.27 | czr | but since the block is full of zero. why store it at all? |
| 13:41.37 | czr | infact, why store any block more than once. |
| 13:41.39 | xingu | and also causes unnecessary traffic - mirror/raid |
| 13:41.52 | czr | (going back to the example with the 20 vms) |
| 13:42.31 | IIvens | I have 2 PHP versions running. How do I uninstall the oldest PHP version on debian? |
| 13:42.53 | xingu | so maybe the simplest solution is - *let* the stacked/looped filesystem images get fragmented to the moon - and deal with this as an lvm2 personality |
| 13:42.58 | czr | I've done some preliminary testing/algorithms on the idea (single instance block storage) and it fairs pretty well |
| 13:43.04 | xingu | that specifically eats null IOP's on empty blocks |
| 13:43.14 | czr | that would be one solution |
| 13:43.25 | czr | I've been using a hacked up vmware running linux/windows vms |
| 13:43.32 | IIvens | I have 2 PHP versions running. How do I uninstall the oldest PHP version on debian? |
| 13:43.33 | xingu | I figured. :) |
| 13:43.40 | czr | but then redirecting the vdisks as "raw block devices" over aoe |
| 13:43.52 | czr | to another host that allows me to combine all the storage into one physical place |
| 13:44.00 | czr | vmware will see the disks as individual disks |
| 13:44.11 | czr | but little does it know I'm doing all kinds of evil shit with the data |
| 13:44.36 | czr | also I did a lot of test runs with existing virtual machine images |
| 13:44.58 | czr | I'm in the unfortunate position of having access to a lot of ms virtual server/pc vdisk images |
| 13:45.24 | czr | and so far the storage system wipes floor with bzip2/rzip/gzip/lzma/rar and anything |
| 13:45.25 | xingu | now if you layered a null-block-eating-lvm-personality over the top of the aoe block device at the initiator end |
| 13:45.29 | xingu | you'd get all sorts of gains |
| 13:45.44 | czr | it's currently a bit slow though, but I'm trying to figure out ways of dealing with that |
| 13:45.58 | czr | and it's not really meant for real-time use yet, have other plans for that |
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| 13:46.07 | czr | but for long-term archieval, it's pretty close to perfect. |
| 13:46.15 | xingu | yep |
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| 13:46.38 | czr | as an added side bonus, the virtual machines are node-relocatable |
| 13:46.50 | czr | since all of their data is located in centralized place |
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| 13:47.04 | czr | so vm migration becomes non-issue |
| 13:47.21 | blondie | czr: going for gold there! |
| 13:47.32 | czr | blondie, haha |
| 13:47.42 | czr | maybe I will when I have a spare moment the next time |
| 13:47.45 | czr | it's been fun though |
| 13:48.05 | czr | except when I had to coerse vmware to use something else than ide/scsi devices |
| 13:48.09 | xingu | czr: basically, what you need is a layer between vfs and block device that maps all null blocks to the same reserved block for that device |
| 13:48.12 | czr | it really really really doesn't want to use anything else |
| 13:48.23 | czr | xingu, or below the block layer |
| 13:48.30 | xingu | czr: then your worst-case is Nx block devices on the target end |
| 13:48.37 | czr | of course that assumes a virtualized environment |
| 13:48.50 | xingu | czr: the problem with that is that you can't eliminate the bus or in your case network traffic |
| 13:48.58 | czr | of course I can |
| 13:49.05 | czr | I'm in full control of the aoe client |
| 13:49.14 | czr | before the traffic hits the network |
| 13:49.20 | xingu | czr: oh I see |
| 13:49.38 | czr | couple that with a daemon that also does some checks locally on each physical node, it's doable |
| 13:49.39 | xingu | czr: stack is mm<->vfs<->aoe<->thing<->network |
| 13:49.59 | xingu | czr: just seems simpler to me to hook between vfs and aoe - because thats where lvm already sits |
| 13:50.03 | czr | well, in vmware it would be mm<->vfs<->scsi<->vmware<->aoe<->network ;-) |
| 13:50.14 | czr | but that works pretty darn well |
| 13:50.23 | czr | since there's no need to install aoe clients into the vm:s at all |
| 13:50.42 | czr | and hence, even windowses work with the system (although there is a closed source aoe client for it, it cannot boot using aoe) |
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| 13:51.01 | czr | the virtual machines just see scsi disks. can anyone see instant scsi-volume management? |
| 13:51.05 | czr | say even |
| 13:51.09 | czr | see sounds plain stupid :-) |
| 13:51.14 | xingu | czr: I wonder if you could do this as a block elevator maybe |
| 13:51.28 | czr | you mean io-scheduler? |
| 13:51.31 | xingu | yes |
| 13:51.43 | czr | io-scheduler cannot create/make blocks go away |
| 13:51.49 | czr | it can just rearrange their order |
| 13:52.03 | xingu | czr: it could if it kept a mapping of null blocks |
| 13:52.15 | czr | hmm. true |
| 13:52.38 | czr | but I still have refine some of the real-time-stuff |
| 13:52.46 | czr | there are too many possibilities for the solution atm. |
| 13:52.54 | czr | I'm sure most of the solution suck somehow anyway |
| 13:53.03 | czr | just have to find out the hard way which suck least |
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| 13:54.25 | czr | I have some preliminary code that does fs-level scrubbing |
| 13:54.35 | czr | mainly been working with ntfs (ext2 is too easy) |
| 13:55.22 | czr | the idea is to only save those sectors that are necessary, fill the "unused" space in last cluster with zero, make a regeneration mapping of some of the MFT entries and then ignore everything else but the sectors that are used |
| 13:55.43 | czr | no defragmentation will be done (unless there's not too much of it, ntfs is difficult to parse/generate) |
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| 13:56.12 | czr | also did a very simple format while doing the analysis stuff |
| 13:56.24 | czr | it surpised me that there was no compression format which was suited for random access |
| 13:56.26 | xingu | czr: the extention of that train of thought I was getting at before is - you've done all the hard work, so - map all null blocks to a single physical block, and then just truncate the image |
| 13:57.06 | czr | well, iff I would have the real NTFS specs, it would be safe for me to do that |
| 13:57.15 | czr | not even ext2 has proper specs |
| 13:57.25 | czr | the only spec is the implementation, and there are many of them |
| 13:57.35 | czr | so doing anything at that level is really risky |
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| 13:57.58 | czr | so what I'm doing instead is just not storing data that is not necessary (which I know for sure). I don't move stuff around |
| 13:58.00 | Malagmyr | xingu: Do you happen to know how I can make a certain command valid for ALL virtualhosts? I've got several sites in my sites-enabled directory, and I want the bandwidth throttling to be the same for all of them. Is there a better solution than to put the bandwidth limiting into all the vhost config files? |
| 13:58.03 | czr | or change logical address/stuff. |
| 13:58.09 | xingu | thats why I'm thinking that you want to do this as an lvm layer or maybe with a bit of craftiness as an ioscheduler |
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| 13:58.20 | czr | yeah, support from the kernel would be nice |
| 13:58.28 | cr3 | what's that command to generate a password? |
| 13:58.34 | xingu | Malagmyr: not really - maybe put the settings in the global config? |
| 13:58.38 | xingu | cr3: pwgen? |
| 13:58.52 | xingu | cr3: mkpasswd |
| 13:59.00 | czr | lvm might be the correct place to implement reading (reads hitting the "disk") |
| 13:59.08 | czr | or rather, dm |
| 13:59.15 | xingu | yeah, that's what I meant. :) |
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| 13:59.29 | czr | but for writing I don't really know. dm isn't supposed to do a lot of processing on the blocks |
| 13:59.37 | czr | although. cryptlayer does it |
| 13:59.40 | xingu | exactly |
| 13:59.45 | czr | so probably I could too |
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| 14:00.08 | czr | hmm. |
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| 14:00.18 | cr3 | xingu: which package contains pwgen? apt-file seems to be broken on my system for now :( |
| 14:00.24 | xingu | I think an ioscheduler could fit the space too - you're setting a goal of removing null write iops entirely |
| 14:00.41 | czr | yeah, but I'd still need to know which are null writes and which note |
| 14:00.43 | xingu | cr3: oddly enough - "pwgen" |
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| 14:00.48 | czr | I'm thinking of disposing of zerotools |
| 14:01.04 | czr | so in that case the only reliable signal would be the vfs-unlink |
| 14:01.18 | czr | the problem is, vfs doesn't know which blocks the operation will hit, and neither should it |
| 14:01.39 | xingu | czr: vfs doesn't, but kjournald does |
| 14:01.45 | czr | so it will go to the fs-driver. which will know. and it could/would somehow communicate a range of blocks which should be mapped to zero |
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| 14:01.50 | czr | it does? |
| 14:01.58 | czr | hmm. never really looked at it |
| 14:02.06 | xingu | czr: it has to, for data=ordered |
| 14:02.52 | czr | but ordered only means that metadata changes are guaranteed to occur before data changes |
| 14:02.52 | wookienz | if i have a dyndns address and i want my linux server to be a DNS for ,my local network, iun the zone files should i call the individual computers by the dyndns name or should i have a seperate scheme for inside the network? |
| 14:02.52 | czr | why would kjournald know which blocks are really involved in the operation? |
| 14:02.53 | xingu | czr: sorry, writeback; |
| 14:02.57 | czr | ah. ok then. |
| 14:02.59 | xingu | czr: it journals the block operation |
| 14:03.05 | czr | but that is dog-slow |
| 14:03.10 | czr | although. hmm |
| 14:03.30 | xingu | czr: yes, but as an implementation of something that sits with fs knowledge/hints above the io scheduler... |
| 14:03.34 | czr | the problem is. that journals are there for a reason :-) |
| 14:03.49 | zoddan | är klockan 15:04 ? |
| 14:03.51 | czr | I'll have to think about this approach |
| 14:03.54 | czr | 16:03 |
| 14:04.04 | zoddan | nä? |
| 14:04.06 | zoddan | ops |
| 14:04.07 | zoddan | sorry |
| 14:04.11 | czr | indeed :-) |
| 14:04.12 | zoddan | wrong channel :P |
| 14:04.18 | czr | jag vet. |
| 14:04.22 | zoddan | haha :P |
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| 14:06.19 | xingu | czr: I'm evil so I'll tell you a similar but harder problem |
| 14:06.26 | xingu | czr: msync of null pages. |
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| 14:08.05 | xingu | czr: obviously not a space-eating problem like cruft left after unlink; but it does put traffic on the wire that could be removed |
| 14:08.10 | czr | file backed mmap? |
| 14:08.14 | xingu | yep. |
| 14:08.35 | czr | hmm. which processes do msyncs with only nulls? |
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| 14:08.40 | czr | for any significant number of pages? |
| 14:08.51 | xingu | czr: in that case the blocks would be zerofilled so the space dimension isn't an issue; but sending that across your transport all the way to the actual physical storage is ... a waste of time :) |
| 14:08.59 | czr | indeed |
| 14:09.12 | czr | but I'm not planning to send zero-filled blocks from the physical node over |
| 14:09.15 | xingu | czr: typically? embedded databases |
| 14:09.21 | czr | they could be even minimized inside the vm |
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| 14:09.32 | czr | hmm. good to know |
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| 14:09.45 | czr | because i haven't encountered that kind of workload |
| 14:09.57 | czr | but then again, I don't like embedded databases either, so tend to run from them |
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| 14:10.10 | xingu | czr: heh, there's one in iceweasel |
| 14:10.25 | xingu | czr: sqlite; take a look how much rewrite goes on against its backing store in ~ some time |
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| 14:14.42 | czr | ah. will check it out |
| 14:14.47 | czr | don't use ff very often |
| 14:14.59 | czr | and desktop software is not really what I test with |
| 14:15.06 | czr | but might as well be |
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| 14:20.19 | pickcoder | meh |
| 14:20.46 | Spliffster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.02 | pickcoder | Spliffster: try a real device? |
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| 14:21.14 | pickcoder | lo is a loopback module |
| 14:22.35 | pickcoder | my mail server had too much tequila last night.. |
| 14:22.36 | Spliffster | i am trying $ arp 10.0.0.51, the primary interface's ip address |
| 14:22.42 | pickcoder | looks like today is going to be a fun day |
| 14:22.54 | Spliffster | enjoy |
| 14:23.27 | pickcoder | Spliffster: also try ifconfig |
| 14:23.37 | Spliffster | i am doing this as normal user |
| 14:23.42 | Spliffster | must i be root for this ? |
| 14:23.46 | pickcoder | yes |
| 14:23.51 | Spliffster | argh, ty |
| 14:24.05 | pickcoder | I have no problems seeing hwaddr for arp |
| 14:24.07 | pickcoder | but I'm root |
| 14:24.45 | Spliffster | shell:/home# arp 10.0.0.50 |
| 14:24.45 | Spliffster | 10.0.0.50 (10.0.0.50) -- no entry |
| 14:24.45 | Spliffster | this is on sarge r4 |
| 14:24.55 | pumpkin0 | Spliffster: you can run ifconfig as user: "/sbin/ifconfig". |
| 14:24.55 | pickcoder | is the device active? |
| 14:25.01 | Spliffster | yup |
| 14:25.11 | pickcoder | then ifconfig should show the hwaddr and your network settings |
| 14:25.22 | Spliffster | but vmware uses it for bridging connections, could this cause problems ? |
| 14:25.38 | Spliffster | i see, will have to use sudo then |
| 14:25.42 | pickcoder | Spliffster: probably |
| 14:25.42 | Spliffster | thank you |
| 14:25.53 | pumpkin0 | Spliffster: these bridges are virtual devices without MACs. |
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| 14:27.42 | Spliffster | to be clear. 10.0.0.50 is the vmware-host. 10.0.0.50 is bound to eth0 which is the interface vmware vm's use for bridging connections. eth0 is a real interface. still , $ arp 10.0.0.50 will not return an mac addr. |
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| 14:28.05 | pickcoder | eth0 is fake, if it's on vmware |
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| 14:28.26 | pumpkin0 | Spliffster: real on the host-side, not the vm-side. And run ifconfig as user (without sudo) that is a more simple way. |
| 14:28.28 | pickcoder | from the host machine you should be able see the mac |
| 14:28.51 | pickcoder | pumpkin0: you can't view stuff with ifconfig on my box |
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| 14:29.21 | pickcoder | unless you're root |
| 14:29.29 | Spliffster | pickcoder: thank you. i did not recognize that ifconfig was not in the path of a normal user (/sbin). that's it |
| 14:29.32 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: run "/sbin/ifconfig" as user. |
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| 14:29.53 | Spliffster | thanx pumpkin0 |
| 14:30.10 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: you cannot modifiy the setup as user, but you can have a look at the config ... |
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| 14:30.31 | pickcoder | I dunno if I ever tried full path execution |
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| 14:39.12 | perlmonk | Hi everyone, is there such a thing as a web port scanner ? like I want to know if port x or y tcp or udp is opened on my machine (messing with a 500 lines firewall file here...) from external (we are behind a NAT) anyone please ? |
| 14:40.03 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: read about "nmap". |
| 14:40.25 | perlmonk | pumpkin0, I have nmap, I know it and still, I'm just like the server behind a NAT |
| 14:40.35 | perlmonk | where firewall rules are different |
| 14:40.41 | perlmonk | I need a scan from outside |
| 14:41.17 | patric123 | so nmap it from a remote box? |
| 14:41.18 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: so run the scan from outside |
| 14:41.27 | perlmonk | well |
| 14:41.33 | perlmonk | I don't have anymore a remote box |
| 14:41.42 | perlmonk | that's the issue |
| 14:41.50 | perlmonk | and I have no shell account anywhere |
| 14:41.52 | teledyn__ | that's your problem |
| 14:42.06 | perlmonk | yes, it's why I ask this question |
| 14:42.32 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: 3. hit on google search for "security check" => http://www.auditmypc.com/ |
| 14:42.35 | patric123 | call someone and have them boot knoppix (or dsl or insert etc) |
| 14:43.13 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: but i still think it is a BAD idea to go around and say: scan me, test me, crush me ... |
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| 14:43.39 | perlmonk | Did I ask to scan me ? |
| 14:43.44 | perlmonk | no. |
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| 14:44.10 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: if your machine is behind a firewall, why on earth do you need to nmap from outside |
| 14:44.26 | perlmonk | teledyn__, nevermind |
| 14:45.06 | teledyn__ | <perlmonk> Hi everyone, is there such a thing as a web port scanner ? like I want to know if port x or y tcp or udp is opened on my machine (messing with a 500 lines firewall file here...) from external (we are behind a NAT) anyone please ? <- this doesn't make sense |
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| 14:45.25 | perlmonk | teledyn__, Well, if you don't get it, it's ok |
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| 14:45.46 | nn-main | I am having trubble seeing mass storage usb devices lsusb tells me the system found the device but sda device node never shows up?? how do i fix this |
| 14:45.49 | perlmonk | I ask about a web ports scanner that pumpkin0 kindly provided |
| 14:45.50 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: you are the one who doesn't get it |
| 14:46.01 | perlmonk | teledyn__, don't worry, I get it very well |
| 14:46.08 | Jon_K | if you're behind a NAT then a scan from the internet won't get to your local NAT workstation anyways (unless you have a DMZ or port forward rule going on) |
| 14:46.19 | teledyn__ | if you're behind a firewall, what do you think you'll accomplish via scanning your net from outside? |
| 14:46.36 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: do you have all the needed modules loaded ? usb_storage ? |
| 14:46.46 | perlmonk | I have no ambition explaining my network topology here |
| 14:47.08 | perlmonk | I know what I am doing and yes, I have the needs, end. |
| 14:47.13 | Jon_K | anyways, I came in here after the fact. Just use a shell from outside your network that has the nmap(1) command perlmonk |
| 14:47.30 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: i'm just saying, the question as you phrased it doesn't make much sense |
| 14:47.50 | nn-main | no |
| 14:48.01 | nn-main | i loaded usb storage |
| 14:48.07 | perlmonk | Again, I know very well nmap, and without an external shell account, this won't be helpful |
| 14:48.08 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: unless you have specific rules forwarding ports through the fw to your box, the traffic would not reach it |
| 14:48.24 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: and sda shows up now ? |
| 14:48.27 | perlmonk | well, anyways |
| 14:48.27 | nn-main | but it still dosent show the device node |
| 14:48.41 | patric123 | I'm actually not sure why this generated so much discussion, there are lots of reasons why I might like to know if a specific port on my nat border returned open closed or filterred |
| 14:48.53 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: run "MAKEDEV sda" in /dev. better ? |
| 14:49.00 | teledyn__ | patric123: read the quesstion he asked |
| 14:49.04 | Jon_K | patric123, and nmap from an off-network host should do nicely, no? |
| 14:49.09 | perlmonk | patric123, thanks |
| 14:49.11 | nn-main | and shouldent it load that mod work automatically pumpkin0 |
| 14:49.26 | teledyn__ | " like I want to know if port x or y tcp or udp is opened on my machine " |
| 14:49.29 | perlmonk | Jon_K, AGAIN I HAVE NO OFF-NETWORK MACHINE |
| 14:49.42 | perlmonk | Do you guys even have a brain ?> |
| 14:49.44 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: depends on the /dev/-setup. If you use udev or devfs: yes |
| 14:49.49 | perlmonk | crap |
| 14:49.49 | perlmonk | leave me be |
| 14:49.56 | perlmonk | I won't ask anything of that kind anymore |
| 14:49.56 | patric123 | I use nmap from a remote host, although I suppose its reasonable that most people don't nessasrily have a half dozen linux boxxen around they can tap for such needs |
| 14:50.08 | perlmonk | the only useful answer I had was pumpkin0's one |
| 14:50.12 | Jon_K | perlmonk, then your tools to port scan your network will be limited. here's one: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
| 14:50.21 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: GIGO |
| 14:50.26 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: and i still think you should have asked google first. |
| 14:50.34 | teledyn__ | perlmonk: ask more coherent questions |
| 14:50.39 | nn-main | what is the makedev args for making sd* device nodes |
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| 14:50.55 | Jon_K | psh. |
| 14:51.16 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: MAKEDEV sda, MAKEDEV sdb, MAKEDEV sdc,... |
| 14:51.18 | Jon_K | Tried helping and he just yelled. Troll |
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| 14:51.40 | minerale | ok, how exactly does nfs authentication work? |
| 14:51.56 | minerale | is it based on the userid & ip only ? |
| 14:52.30 | nn-main | ok um i have udev installed but onily errors on this pituclear point ?? |
| 14:53.47 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: is scsi_mod loaded ? And sd_mod ? |
| 14:54.57 | nn-main | st0 seems to work ?? i will look into sd_mod |
| 14:56.38 | nn-main | ok it finally sees it is there any way to make this so i dont have to load thoes mod's each time? pumpkin0 |
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| 14:57.05 | pumpkin0 | nn-main: put them into /etc/modules. |
| 14:58.43 | nn-main | |
| 14:59.21 | nn-main | thanks so mutch pumpkin0 |
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| 15:00.32 | LBB | Hi all! |
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| 15:03.48 | minerale | all the suddenn my audio has stopped working, how can I see which process is hanging my audio device? |
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| 15:04.15 | Fokker680 | hello everyone |
| 15:04.21 | pumpkin0 | minerale: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 15:04.40 | Fokker680 | i'm having some problems getting debian installed on a 3 disk raid-0 |
| 15:04.54 | Fokker680 | i mean, it does install the system |
| 15:05.01 | Fokker680 | but it fails to install grub/lilo |
| 15:05.38 | Fokker680 | can anyone give me a hand with this? |
| 15:06.34 | minerale | pumpkinpie: that command returns nothing -- but mplayer says /dev/dsp resource is busy |
| 15:06.37 | patric123 | software or hardware raid? |
| 15:06.43 | Fokker680 | software raid |
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| 15:07.08 | Fokker680 | (i'm using the installation software to run it from there) |
| 15:07.10 | patric123 | configured in the installer? |
| 15:07.18 | Fokker680 | yes |
| 15:07.18 | patric123 | etch or sarge? |
| 15:07.25 | Fokker680 | i think it's sarge |
| 15:07.42 | Fokker680 | honestly i don't remember |
| 15:07.49 | patric123 | where are you telling it to install the bootloader? |
| 15:07.56 | Fokker680 | in md0 |
| 15:08.11 | Fokker680 | this is what i did |
| 15:08.16 | Fokker680 | i have 3 18.2 GB disks |
| 15:08.21 | patric123 | I believe it goes on the mbr of the first disk |
| 15:08.26 | Fokker680 | oh. |
| 15:08.39 | Fokker680 | but..should i format it as primary? |
| 15:09.05 | sphenxes | I would like to buy a new Athlon64 3.7GHz from ebay. I plan to install etch on it (i am an ex Suse user). What should i take care of (hardware compatibilty issues)? is there anything that should i avoid or recommended for my hardware? e.g. soundcard, graphic card, DVD, motherboard? any sugestion is appreciated |
| 15:09.07 | Fokker680 | i mean, i partitioned the 3 disks as logical units |
| 15:09.07 | patric123 | no, you can still use the disk as only swap and raid space |
| 15:09.28 | Fokker680 | and also |
| 15:09.29 | mc__ | sphenxes: by an nvidia graphics card |
| 15:09.47 | sphenxes | mc_, thanks |
| 15:09.51 | Fokker680 | if i tell the partition software to "Automatically create partitions" it fails |
| 15:10.04 | snowbird | i would go nvida chipset full seize mobo |
| 15:10.12 | snowbird | on that new 64 beast |
| 15:10.13 | sphenxes | anything should i take care about soundcard, most sound cards are built in the mother board, |
| 15:10.22 | RvGaTe | !tell me about you |
| 15:10.28 | snowbird | nvida sound is great out of the box |
| 15:10.34 | patric123 | there should be a "use as raid device" option in the partitioning software |
| 15:10.46 | Fokker680 | patric123: yes, i chose that one |
| 15:10.48 | Fokker680 | on the 3 disks |
| 15:11.03 | snowbird | grafic card nvida seeems great |
| 15:11.04 | Fokker680 | but should i choose primary or logical? |
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| 15:11.28 | LBB | I am running 64studio, a distro based on debian testing. If i want to add repositories, should I add debian testing or could i also use 'stable', so i get a more dependable workstation? |
| 15:11.46 | sphenxes | what is the minimum good graphic card? nvidia GF 7000 (is enough) i am not sure from the number |
| 15:12.06 | patric123 | so after you define your large disk you can partition it, that's all good, but when you do the grub install right after that, I think that you want to install grub to the mbr of the first disk, not the raid (chicken and egg thing, you don't have a raid until after you start) |
| 15:12.15 | LBB | sphenxes: what do you want to do? |
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| 15:12.57 | sphenxes | LBB, mplayer, office and nothing more especial, usually I log on 2 user sim. on my computer |
| 15:13.01 | Fokker680 | patric123: i can't even select "Automatically partition disks" |
| 15:13.14 | Fokker680 | it only allows me to create one big ext3/ext2 partition |
| 15:13.16 | LBB | sphenxes: any card will do |
| 15:13.18 | patric123 | LBB. sorry, but as most of us are running debian we don't really know, other than the vaugue, stable is well, more stable ... |
| 15:13.22 | sphenxes | LBB, thanks |
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| 15:13.47 | Fokker680 | so i do that and it installs ok, but when it tries to install grub/lilo it fails |
| 15:13.55 | snowbird | get a 6000 series gt sphenxes |
| 15:14.00 | patric123 | right, but after you've defined your partitions, it should ask you where to install grub |
| 15:14.01 | snowbird | or7300gt |
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| 15:14.20 | sphenxes | snowbird, thanks, |
| 15:14.24 | patric123 | and the place for that is the mbr of the first disk, not anywhere on the raid |
| 15:14.31 | snowbird | there better than 7000 |
| 15:14.32 | sphenxes | any thing should I take care about the motherboard |
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| 15:14.37 | snowbird | has to be that gt |
| 15:14.43 | snowbird | gs is slow junk |
| 15:14.44 | LBB | patric123: but in general: when running testing, can one add stable packages, or will that break stuff instead of making it more stable? |
| 15:14.48 | snowbird | gt power house |
| 15:14.52 | RvGaTe | !infobot |
| 15:14.52 | dpkg | somebody said infobot was at http://www.infobot.org;; debs at cornflake.entropy.net/infobot;; see blootbot, or debs at http://cornflake.entropy.net/infobot |
| 15:14.54 | sphenxes | I hear Asus, and lot of different names, is Asus really fine |
| 15:14.57 | RvGaTe | that link is not valid ^ |
| 15:15.03 | Fokker680 | patric123: right..but it won't ask you _where_ to install it, it tries to do that automatically |
| 15:15.08 | Fokker680 | where? i don't know |
| 15:15.16 | Fokker680 | and then, when it fails, i try to do it manually |
| 15:15.22 | Fokker680 | and the only partition that shows up is md0 |
| 15:15.26 | Fokker680 | which is the raid |
| 15:15.42 | Fokker680 | and that won't work either |
| 15:15.44 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:16.25 | sphenxes | last questoin, $120 printer (i have had a lot of problems with printers and SuSE) what printer should i use with Debian? almost work out of the box |
| 15:16.33 | sphenxes | ca $120 |
| 15:16.40 | snowbird | brother all in mfc 420 |
| 15:17.01 | snowbird | brother |
| 15:17.14 | snowbird | hp is poor quaility lately |
| 15:17.23 | snowbird | sphenes yeah 120 |
| 15:17.28 | snowbird | for the brother |
| 15:18.03 | snowbird | il bye one in wpg but not there yet |
| 15:18.15 | sphenxes | snowbird, thanks, i have brother mfc 3420, I can't install it till now but using it under windows really not a loss, But is mfc 420 works more easily |
| 15:18.32 | patric123 | so you run mkfs.ext2/3 on your md0 and that works? |
| 15:18.37 | sphenxes | sorry 3240 |
| 15:18.48 | Fokker680 | patric123: yes |
| 15:18.53 | snowbird | well look it up debian should pick it up |
| 15:19.04 | snowbird | if not then set it up as network printer |
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| 15:19.12 | sphenxes | thanks |
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| 15:19.23 | Gnea | anyone else getting one of these? Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 15:19.29 | snowbird | sphenxes good luck i love etch debian |
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| 15:19.40 | Gnea | snowbird: do yourself a favor: don't talk shit about HP, they have excellent quality. |
| 15:19.54 | snowbird | not gnea |
| 15:20.03 | Gnea | 08:19 < snowbird> hp is poor quaility lately |
| 15:20.10 | sphenxes | snowbird, i have installed debian 2 years ago, it is lot superior to SuSE |
| 15:20.10 | snowbird | new ones are not good |
| 15:20.20 | blondie | HP quality is not as good as it used to be |
| 15:20.29 | snowbird | thanks blondie |
| 15:20.37 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 15:20.58 | Gnea | well, non-laser printers will always have lower quality |
| 15:21.00 | snowbird | if they wernt id bye one |
| 15:21.00 | sphenxes | snowbird, everyone told me a beginner should use SuSE, but i think i can go with Debian without a lof of troubles |
| 15:21.03 | Gnea | that's a given |
| 15:21.12 | snowbird | yeah debain is cool |
| 15:21.21 | sphenxes | lot* |
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| 15:21.29 | Gnea | sphenxes: you could also try Ubuntu or Kanotix |
| 15:21.31 | snowbird | got to load dishwasher |
| 15:21.40 | snowbird | gf complaing they smell |
| 15:21.44 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:21.53 | snowbird | gezzz she should get of rump and load it |
| 15:22.09 | snowbird | brb |
| 15:22.24 | sphenxes | Gnea, thanks on the list after i uninstall my SuSE crash with my windows :-) |
| 15:22.25 | patric123 | yeah, hp is the king of the $50 inkjet, that takes $100 cartridges and won't get through more than two cartridges before some chintzy piece of plastic breaks |
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| 15:22.49 | Gnea | sphenxes: lol |
| 15:22.53 | patric123 | just because some HPLJs are nearly bullet proof doesn't make them a quality manufacturer |
| 15:23.02 | Gnea | patric123: i dig my PSC :) |
| 15:23.17 | patric123 | anymore than proliants make presarios nice machines |
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| 15:25.00 | capiira | hmmmm where can i check what packages are on queue to join testing? |
| 15:25.45 | xingu | £20 on sale; ink carts are expensive granted, but hey, so's life; don't exacly print out /usr/share/doc, more like one-two pages a month |
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| 15:27.08 | azeem | capiira: testing is frozen |
| 15:27.23 | azeem | capiira: your best bet is monitoring the debian-release mailing list at this point, if you really care |
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| 15:28.02 | capiira | i remember there was a site but i dont have the url anymore |
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| 15:31.09 | Cillian | How well does the edgy installer support LVM2? |
| 15:31.23 | wastrel | edgy is ubuntu oui non? |
| 15:31.24 | Ronin | Cillian: edgy? you mean etch? |
| 15:31.32 | Cillian | Err, yeh :) |
| 15:31.35 | Cillian | Etch |
| 15:31.45 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 15:31.49 | capiira | poor ex ubuntu user :) |
| 15:31.57 | Cillian | I've never used ubuntu in my life |
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| 15:32.02 | Cillian | Just hang around too many people who do |
| 15:32.07 | wastrel | "ubuntu" |
| 15:32.08 | capiira | :) |
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| 15:32.39 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:32.55 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone here know a teletext viewer other than AleVT? |
| 15:32.58 | Cillian | So yeh, does the etch installer support LVM2? |
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| 15:33.16 | cyzie | is lenny officially launch yet? |
| 15:33.18 | abrotman | capiira: moment |
| 15:33.21 | abrotman | cyzie: no |
| 15:33.23 | Eulex | cyzie, no |
| 15:33.28 | capiira | i used lvm but it dosent say lvm2 |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | capiira: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 15:33.57 | Cillian | Does it have more or less the same features as LVM, i.e. resize partitions and things on the fly? |
| 15:34.00 | capiira | ahhhhhh yes thx |
| 15:34.04 | Cillian | s/LVM/LVM2/ |
| 15:34.07 | wastrel | apt-cache search teletext -> there seem to be a couple but i dunno |
| 15:35.02 | abrotman | !inout |
| 15:35.02 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html and for packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 15:35.26 | capiira | thx |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | azeem: is there a better place for incoming ? |
| 15:35.41 | snowbird | gna psc is great but like my 7580 junker |
| 15:35.48 | snowbird | want it |
| 15:35.59 | capiira | Cillian: dunno check google there is sure a lvm vs lvm2 thread somewhere |
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| 15:36.08 | andrew_ | um, how do i get ahold of the latest kde packages for debian ? |
| 15:36.33 | andrew_ | i want kde 3.5.5 or better |
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| 15:36.38 | Hotwire | andrew_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 15:36.51 | andrew_ | i did that |
| 15:36.52 | abrotman | !inout |
| 15:36.52 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 15:37.13 | Hotwire | andrew_: are you using sarge? |
| 15:37.26 | cyzie | hello, i have a new laptop coming in 1 week time, planning to install debian testing/unstable, which version should i install ? |
| 15:37.27 | Hotwire | you _might_ want to think about using etch |
| 15:37.42 | andrew_ | this is etch |
| 15:37.47 | andrew_ | in vmware |
| 15:37.48 | Ronin | or possibly backports, but i dnot know whats in it for kde |
| 15:37.55 | abrotman | cyzie: if you have to ask .. etch |
| 15:38.08 | andrew_ | debian doesnt install on my pc... |
| 15:38.09 | abrotman | !info kde etch |
| 15:38.13 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 15:38.14 | azeem | abrotman: no |
| 15:38.19 | cyzie | but etch is frozen to become stable right? im looking for testing/unstable. |
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| 15:38.25 | abrotman | azeem: thanks :) |
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| 15:38.45 | Hotwire | cyzie: it wont be frozen for long in the scale of things |
| 15:38.45 | patric123 | andrew_, what kinds of problems do you have installing debian? |
| 15:38.50 | Ronin | andrew_: why doesnt debian install on your computer |
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| 15:38.59 | andrew_ | it cant load sata_si |
| 15:39.01 | andrew_ | it cant load sata_sil |
| 15:39.04 | cast | i can't seem to setup svgabin-lib, ive editted the config file, /etc/init.d/svga-bin start results in my screen flickering..and me getting exactly back to where i started |
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| 15:39.28 | andrew_ | wait - how do i find out if this is etch or not? |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | cyzie: then track testing .. |
| 15:39.38 | Ronin | andrew_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | cyzie: if you're asking us which to do .. please don't track unstable .. it just leads to frustration on everyone's part |
| 15:40.00 | nn-main | what command is the hard drive defrag |
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| 15:40.11 | Ronin | nn-main: there really isnt one, nor is it needed |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 15:40.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 15:40.14 | andrew_ | all it says is 3.1.... |
| 15:40.37 | Ronin | andrew_: stable/sarge then |
| 15:41.03 | nn-main | um you still need to defrag vfat drives from linux |
| 15:41.15 | Cillian | Urm, in the graphical installer my touchpad is in absolute mode and only covers a small section of the screen |
| 15:41.25 | Ronin | nn-main: umm you didnt say that |
| 15:41.34 | cyzie | abrotman, ok. but i heard debian unstable really isnt "unstable" |
| 15:41.45 | wastrel | there's a graphical installer? |
| 15:41.52 | ofer1 | cyzie, define "unstable": |
| 15:41.53 | abrotman | cyzie: some days it is .. some it isn't |
| 15:41.58 | blondie | wastrel: with etch, yes |
| 15:42.03 | nn-main | is there a comand for it |
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| 15:42.10 | wastrel | jolly |
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| 15:42.29 | abrotman | google "linux defrag fat32" |
| 15:42.34 | cyzie | abrotman, been using debian testing for about 2 years. thinking to switch to unstable. |
| 15:42.46 | abrotman | cyzie: things break .. sometimes badly .. it's not supported here .. don't cry when it breaks |
| 15:42.48 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 15:42.49 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 15:43.00 | Hotwire | cyzie: why not just use the sid packages you want |
| 15:43.03 | andrew_ | lol |
| 15:43.05 | wastrel | sid is a one-way trip |
| 15:43.14 | Hotwire | apt-pinning++ |
| 15:43.48 | andrew_ | how do i get ahold of debian 3.1 netinstall testing? |
| 15:43.53 | abrotman | cyzie: you can't really downgrade .. (you can switch to testing and wait forever) |
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| 15:43.58 | abrotman | !d-i andrew_ |
| 15:43.59 | dpkg | andrew_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:44.18 | spldart | How do I permantely stop my radeon module from loading |
| 15:44.28 | spldart | I want to KILL it dead for good |
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| 15:44.36 | andrew_ | every other distro i use does fine with sata_sil |
| 15:44.44 | HardDisk_WP | !teletext |
| 15:44.46 | andrew_ | whats the matter with radeon driver? |
| 15:44.49 | HardDisk_WP | !teletext? |
| 15:44.51 | abrotman | andrew_: try a linux26 |
| 15:44.52 | Ryushin | spldart: delete the module. Or add it to a blacklist. |
| 15:44.54 | HardDisk_WP | !videotext? |
| 15:44.55 | spldart | It doesn't work at all |
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| 15:45.00 | blondie | !ceefax |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: msg the bot ? |
| 15:45.14 | blondie | msg the hand |
| 15:45.17 | wastrel | blacklist |
| 15:45.25 | spldart | What conf or whatever decides that module get's loaded? |
| 15:45.28 | spldart | !blacklist |
| 15:45.31 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 15:46.25 | andrew_ | i am using debian 3.1 r0a netinstall kernel 2.6... |
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| 15:46.39 | andrew_ | i wanted to try debian... |
| 15:46.41 | Cillian | Does testing use the 2.6 kernel by default in the installer? |
| 15:46.50 | Ronin | Cillian: iirc yes |
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| 15:47.26 | cyzie | thanks abrotman |
| 15:47.30 | andrew_ | is debian 3.1 r4 the latest debian? is it unstable? |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | the latest stable |
| 15:47.42 | abrotman | cyzie: you're welcome |
| 15:47.43 | Ronin | andrew_: no its not sid/unstable |
| 15:48.11 | andrew_ | i want unstable just so i can use kde 3.5.5... |
| 15:48.33 | andrew_ | where is the debian testing net install iso file??? |
| 15:48.37 | Ronin | andrew_: no you dont want unstable unless you can fix it yourself WHEN it breaks |
| 15:48.46 | andrew_ | it breaks :( |
| 15:49.10 | andrew_ | but i have to use unstable because stable doesnt work |
| 15:49.15 | Hotwire | KDE is probably in backports |
| 15:49.15 | andrew_ | stable wont install |
| 15:49.36 | Ronin | andrew_: not true i suspect,have you tried the 2.6 kernel in stable? have you tried etch/testing as well? |
| 15:49.52 | andrew_ | i cant even load the installer |
| 15:49.59 | Hotwire | andrew_: i hate to say this, but why dont you try ubuntu ... |
| 15:50.04 | andrew_ | NOoooooooooooooooo |
| 15:50.16 | Ronin | no need to get nasty Hotwire :) |
| 15:50.21 | Hotwire | :P |
| 15:50.24 | andrew_ | :-) |
| 15:50.56 | wastrel | ubuntu has the same problem in the installer with sata drives |
| 15:51.02 | andrew_ | no |
| 15:51.17 | andrew_ | the following distros work with sata_sil |
| 15:51.23 | Ronin | andrew_: no to what? the 2.6 kernel in stable? trying etch or just a general no |
| 15:51.27 | patric123 | andrew have you tried passing linux26 to sarge/etch at boot time from the cd? |
| 15:51.44 | andrew_ | ubunut, suse 9.1 (or later) fedora core 6 mandrivia... |
| 15:52.04 | andrew_ | no i havent :( |
| 15:52.16 | andrew_ | im new to linux - 1 year now :) |
| 15:52.24 | Ronin | andrew_: then perhaps you may want to try at least linux26 in stable first |
| 15:52.33 | rhalff | etch is stable now ? |
| 15:52.46 | Ronin | rhalff: no |
| 15:52.59 | Hotwire | andrew_: a year isn't new ;) |
| 15:53.03 | andrew_ | so in boot prompt do linux26 ? |
| 15:53.07 | rhalff | but 3.1 is etch ? |
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| 15:53.15 | enouf | !releases |
| 15:53.15 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 15:53.31 | andrew_ | !releases |
| 15:53.31 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 15:53.38 | andrew_ | lol |
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| 15:54.06 | spldart | that locked it up tight |
| 15:54.08 | spldart | wow |
| 15:54.16 | spldart | I hate ati |
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| 15:54.34 | andrew_ | me too |
| 15:54.41 | andrew_ | ati driver is messy |
| 15:54.43 | cyzie | why ? ati make u cry ? |
| 15:55.06 | wastrel | ati eh |
| 15:55.14 | Ronin | never had any problems with ati and linux, course i also dont play games and need fancy 3dish nonsense on my desktop |
| 15:55.22 | spldart | ati used to give me warm fuzzies |
| 15:55.25 | spldart | Now it blows |
| 15:55.32 | spldart | and not the good kind of blow |
| 15:55.34 | andrew_ | if i move the mouse to the right of the screen it gets "stuck" and takes lots of work to get it to the left again.. |
| 15:55.46 | andrew_ | with the ati driver... |
| 15:55.50 | wastrel | i use 3d programs for molecular visualization |
| 15:55.57 | wastrel | games, not so much. |
| 15:56.18 | wastrel | ati works fine but all my hardware is comfortably ancient and correspondingly well supported |
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| 15:56.36 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:56.41 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:56.41 | spldart | I'm out thanks all |
| 15:57.01 | cyzie | 1 of my friend have problem with his ati card. driver problem as well. get nvidia good for linux |
| 15:57.10 | cyzie | or intel |
| 15:57.29 | Ace2016 | i just want to ask, why was the debian version of firefox called IceWeasel? and not something like IceWolf which is shorter and sounds much nicer? |
| 15:57.40 | Ace2016 | are weasels related to foxes? |
| 15:57.44 | andrew_ | lol |
| 15:58.20 | cusco | its not the debian version |
| 15:58.22 | cusco | its the gnu version |
| 15:58.33 | dondelelcaro | cusco: the Debian package is called iceweasel |
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| 15:58.45 | schme | IceWeasel sounds much nicer, that's why(; |
| 15:58.47 | cusco | so is the name of the software |
| 15:58.54 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: the name came up in a mailing list discussion about this very issue a year and a bit before the current issue |
| 15:59.03 | schme | debian iceweasel is firefox... it is not gnu ice weasel |
| 15:59.10 | wastrel | at night, the ice weasels come |
| 15:59.19 | dondelelcaro | as to why the author of the email said iceweasel, well... |
| 15:59.22 | Ace2016 | dondelelcaro: whats the current issue? |
| 15:59.28 | cyzie | k, this is weasel http://www.public.asu.edu/~atjlb/weasel.JPG |
| 15:59.31 | nolax | hello, i am on a knoppix live cd and want to repair a debian install that dosen't have a boot loader anymore... how can i do this ? |
| 15:59.37 | patric123 | I think, actually weasles are more closely related to foxes than wolves, but I thought it was a jab at the mozilla folks |
| 15:59.42 | cusco | Ace2016: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceWeasel#Origins_of_the_name |
| 15:59.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ace2016 -about why iceweasel |
| 15:59.49 | cyzie | nolax, grub-install /dev/hda ? |
| 16:00.14 | nolax | cyzie i used lilo and want to use lilo |
| 16:00.32 | patric123 | is lilo on your knoppix cd? |
| 16:00.36 | andrew_ | lol it takes 50 minutes to find the debian testing net-install page....... |
| 16:00.37 | nolax | yes |
| 16:00.39 | cyzie | sorry, nv use lilo before nolax |
| 16:00.45 | andrew_ | or not... |
| 16:00.48 | cyzie | andrew_, lol |
| 16:00.50 | Ronin | andrew_: then your googlefu is weak |
| 16:00.52 | nolax | patric123 : it is |
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| 16:01.53 | wastrel | i went around in circles for a while on the debian site looking for the netinstall floppy images |
| 16:02.16 | nolax | and important note... i have sata drivers |
| 16:02.24 | andrew_ | i guess this is what i wanted ... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:02.32 | andrew_ | you have Sata??? |
| 16:02.37 | andrew_ | sata_sil? |
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| 16:02.55 | nolax | sata_sil ? |
| 16:03.10 | andrew_ | do you use sata_sil? |
| 16:03.48 | nolax | yes i think so |
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| 16:04.13 | andrew_ | how did you get installer to load? |
| 16:04.22 | quintin | can anyone recommend a good gigabit switch that's inexpensive? Pref. 24 port |
| 16:04.43 | cyzie | quintin, use dell |
| 16:05.10 | nolax | andrew_: the first i installed i used a netinstall cd ... the updated version in summer some time... |
| 16:05.27 | nolax | andrew_: now i am stuck in knoppix and can't boot my debian :( |
| 16:05.43 | andrew_ | i just tried to install debian and the installer wont load |
| 16:05.45 | abrotman | quintin: dlink/netgear/linksys ? |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | quintin: alternately .. ask #hardware |
| 16:06.16 | nolax | andrew_: i have 3 net install images.. none of them work.. and i don't have the image i used in summer anymore :( |
| 16:06.19 | wastrel | andrew_ you could try one of the alternate install methods. |
| 16:06.33 | quintin | cyzie: I don' |
| 16:06.43 | quintin | cyzie: don't see unmanaged dell switch that is 1000mpbs |
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| 16:07.08 | abrotman | andrew_: how fast did you burn the image ? |
| 16:07.10 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 16:07.11 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:07.34 | andrew_ | i burned it with k3b |
| 16:07.39 | nolax | so anyoen can give me a tip on how to bring my old lilo back to life ? |
| 16:07.59 | cyzie | quintin, the one we have in is dell managed 1000GB swtcih 24ports |
| 16:08.03 | andrew_ | the installer starts but hangs when loading my sata driver (sata_sil) |
| 16:08.16 | cyzie | quintin, but i guess the configuration merely web based. it's simple as click 1 2 3 ;) |
| 16:08.32 | quintin | cyzie: I don't want to click, I just want to plug stuff in! what did it cost? |
| 16:08.43 | patric123 | as I recall you edit your lilo.conf and then run lilo /dev/boot-device, where boot device is your boot device, more info in man lilo |
| 16:08.46 | andrew_ | grrrrrr gruby |
| 16:09.00 | cyzie | quintin, about 300-400 |
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| 16:09.20 | nolax | patric123 : i get a strange error |
| 16:09.23 | quintin | cyzie: toooo much |
| 16:09.28 | patric123 | although, to be honest, grub being fs-aware, and having tab-completion will probably save your a few trips to knoppix-land |
| 16:09.31 | nolax | patric123 ar only a second |
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| 16:09.48 | cyzie | quintin, that is the currency in my country. |
| 16:09.51 | nolax | patric123 : i tried grub and never got it to work right |
| 16:09.57 | andrew_ | !suse |
| 16:09.57 | dpkg | i heard suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 16:10.03 | patric123 | nolax, what's the rror |
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| 16:10.11 | earthian | hello |
| 16:10.12 | quintin | cyzie: which is? |
| 16:10.17 | haldrik | Hello, I have this problem: Squid Parent: child process 8908 exited due to signal 6 |
| 16:10.22 | earthian | happy new year everybody! |
| 16:10.23 | cyzie | quintin, malaysia |
| 16:10.33 | cyzie | happy new year earthian |
| 16:10.35 | Ronin | andrew_: why dont you try what has been suggested multiple times? |
| 16:10.41 | earthian | I have the following error, please help me fix it: Jan 2 18:07:11 fostral ntpd_initres[4003]: ntpd returns a permission denied error! |
| 16:11.04 | andrew_ | which is what? |
| 16:11.22 | andrew_ | i am downloading debian unstable |
| 16:11.24 | Ronin | andrew_: well linux26 in sarge has been suggested multiple times as well as trying etch |
| 16:11.34 | Ronin | andrew_: not possible, you cant be dl'ing unstable |
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| 16:11.38 | cyzie | andrew_, didnt know u can download unstable |
| 16:11.44 | nolax | patric123 Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?) |
| 16:11.50 | cyzie | andrew_, isnt u upgrade to unstable using testing ? |
| 16:12.11 | andrew_ | i download this debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:12.20 | haldrik | Hello, I have this problem: Squid Parent: child process 8908 exited due to signal 6 |
| 16:12.30 | patric123 | nolax, are you running it against /dev/md0? |
| 16:12.43 | nolax | patric123 : no against /dev/sda3 |
| 16:12.50 | earthian | haldrik, see ' man signal ' you will get information there what does that signal 6 mean |
| 16:13.05 | andrew_ | !kde |
| 16:13.05 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 16:13.21 | nolax | patric123 : i have no raid or nfs.... |
| 16:13.42 | haldrik | ok earthian |
| 16:13.56 | earthian | haldrik, this is what i see there: SIGABRT 6 Core Abort signal from abort(3) |
| 16:14.29 | andrew_ | ok i will use etch |
| 16:14.32 | patric123 | try /dev/sda |
| 16:14.35 | andrew_ | etch has kde 3.5.5 |
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| 16:15.12 | earthian | seems that the Squid child process was aborted.. |
| 16:15.15 | nolax | patric123 : same error |
| 16:15.57 | haldrik | earthian: I dont understand, this probblem is on squid_2.6.5-2, that start and fail inmediatly |
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| 16:16.17 | earthian | probably a misconfiguration |
| 16:16.25 | patric123 | dmesg | grep sda |
| 16:16.37 | cyzie | any link show how to setup debian on intel 945 laptop ? |
| 16:16.47 | haldrik | earthian: I will purge and reinstall squid |
| 16:16.59 | earthian | yes, should work. |
| 16:17.41 | abrotman | cyzie: are you having a problem ? |
| 16:17.48 | haldrik | earthian: It don't work |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | !tell cyzie about laptpo |
| 16:17.51 | abrotman | !tell cyzie about laptop |
| 16:18.05 | andrew_ | !k3b |
| 16:18.05 | dpkg | hmm... k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net, or 'teh uber'! |
| 16:18.12 | Cillian | !ati |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:18.19 | andrew_ | lol who told it all this stuff? |
| 16:18.31 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here know a other teletext viewer than alevt?? |
| 16:18.39 | nolax | patric123 http://pastebin.com/849616 |
| 16:18.54 | earthian | haldrik, try dpkg-reconfigure <squid package name here> |
| 16:19.06 | earthian | get package name from dpkg -l | grep squid |
| 16:19.13 | Ronin | andrew_: it also responds to /msg dpkg |
| 16:19.19 | haldrik | ok earthian |
| 16:19.28 | earthian | see if there is any utility to configure squid, something like squid-configure |
| 16:19.29 | earthian | or so |
| 16:20.23 | Cillian | Errr... When the debian installer says, as a kernel option "linux-image-2.6-686" which 2.6 kernel is it talking about...? |
| 16:20.44 | haldrik | earthian: dpkg-reconfigure squid squid-common |
| 16:20.49 | wastrel | HardDisk_WP apt-cache search teletext |
| 16:20.52 | patric123 | nolax, whe you try to boot from that disk, do you get any of the LILO letters? |
| 16:21.01 | cydork | Cillian: the latest 2.6-686 kernel. |
| 16:21.40 | Cillian | So, 2.6.19 or 20? |
| 16:21.41 | nolax | patric123: i meesed up the mbr a lot... |
| 16:21.41 | earthian | Cillian, try packages.debian.org and look for kernel 2.6-686 |
| 16:21.41 | Cillian | Bah, I might install my own kernel anyway, if LVM works with it |
| 16:21.41 | nolax | patric123: no it's emptry |
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| 16:21.49 | earthian | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:22.01 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+5 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 16:22.14 | earthian | !info etch linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 16:22.30 | earthian | !etch linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:22.54 | earthian | Cillian, it seem to be a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 16:22.55 | earthian | :) |
| 16:22.58 | Cillian | Thanks |
| 16:23.02 | patric123 | nolax, I have luck wiping screwed up mbrs with win98's fdisk /mbr |
| 16:23.42 | nolax | patric123 : i did it from a xp disk i had around |
| 16:23.59 | Cillian | I've fixed MBRs from XP CDs |
| 16:24.01 | nolax | patric123 : and you can;t do it from win98 disk... because it's sata |
| 16:24.19 | patric123 | neato |
| 16:24.40 | nolax | so... what are my options.. |
| 16:24.47 | nolax | i can try grub too.. i don't mind |
| 16:24.54 | nolax | i just want to boot in |
| 16:25.08 | quintin | which is "better", a P4b@2.4ghz, or a Celeron D @ 3.2ghz? |
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| 16:25.45 | patric123 | are both your knoppix cd and your debian install 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:25.49 | Cillian | Celerons are intentionally crippled I think |
| 16:25.55 | nolax | patric123 : yes |
| 16:26.03 | haldrik | quintin: I think Celeron D |
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| 16:28.17 | patric123 | nolax, I think you should be able to chroot into your installed system, and repair from there |
| 16:28.44 | nolax | patric123 : arrr verry good point |
| 16:29.05 | abrotman | quintin: ask #hardware about your hardware questions |
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| 16:29.28 | quintin | abrotman: I'm asking several places |
| 16:29.33 | patric123 | do you have /etc/lilo.conf on your /dev/sda3? |
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| 16:29.45 | abrotman | quintin: great .. stop asking us .. we're here for Debian questions .. not hardware questions |
| 16:29.53 | nolax | patric123 : yes |
| 16:30.21 | patric123 | does it look right? |
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| 16:30.46 | nolax | patric123 : it's the working thing i till i messed it up.. |
| 16:31.05 | quintin | abrotman: whatever. |
| 16:31.14 | abrotman | quintin: please stop |
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| 16:31.40 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 16:31.41 | blondie | abrotman: got ops yet? |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | blondie: start a petition :) |
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| 16:32.11 | blondie | abrotman: who is "in charge" of this channel? |
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| 16:32.17 | abrotman | don afaik |
| 16:32.26 | patric123 | chroot /mnt/sda3 |
| 16:32.31 | patric123 | lilo |
| 16:32.35 | capiira | hmmm anyone know why that network manager applet keeps showing me that im offline if i ad static ip, gateway dns etc.? |
| 16:32.38 | nolax | patric123 dosen't work |
| 16:32.43 | haldrik | earthian: I start squid with a clian squid.conf but the problem persist |
| 16:32.45 | patric123 | same error? |
| 16:32.46 | quintin | if I use software RAID, what exactly does the computer boot from ? |
| 16:33.01 | pumpkin0 | quintin: the MBR. |
| 16:33.01 | capiira | btw im on etch |
| 16:33.02 | blondie | quintin: a disk? |
| 16:33.04 | nolax | patric123 Fatal: open /dev/sda: Permission denied |
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| 16:33.21 | blondie | I don't know how it works, but it does :) |
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| 16:33.30 | blondie | I have two machines with / on software raid |
| 16:33.31 | earthian | haldrik, sorry, I cant help you anymore.. its out of my small knowledge |
| 16:33.50 | quintin | pumpkin0: MBR on disk 0 ? what if disk 0 goes bad? is the MBR on disk 1 the same? |
| 16:33.53 | haldrik | ok earthian thanks |
| 16:34.09 | pumpkin0 | quintin: if you install grub onto both: yes. |
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| 16:34.27 | abrotman | that's why we call it RAID :) |
| 16:34.32 | quintin | blondie: I tried to setup in VMWARE and debian installer crapped out. :P 'blag', whatever that is, did work in vmware though (software raid) |
| 16:34.51 | quintin | pumpkin0: is grub installed to both MBRs by debian setup? I use stable |
| 16:35.07 | blondie | blag? |
| 16:35.22 | pumpkin0 | quintin: no idea, always installed software by hand. |
| 16:35.28 | patric123 | nolax, fdisk -l |
| 16:35.40 | quintin | boston linux advocate group? or something. hell if I know :P it was in my desk drawer |
| 16:36.05 | blondie | wtf is that? sounds like a LUG :P |
| 16:36.15 | blondie | which probably wouldn't fit in a drawer |
| 16:36.29 | capiira | no one with the same network error? |
| 16:36.35 | nolax | patric123 : in chroot or normal ? |
| 16:37.06 | blondie | capiira: "don't use it" |
| 16:37.10 | quintin | so... can I take out a disk randomly from a software raid setup, put it in another machine, and have it boot? |
| 16:37.24 | capiira | why its soo buggy ? |
| 16:37.27 | patric123 | normal |
| 16:37.32 | pumpkin0 | quintin: is it RAID 0 or RAID1 ? |
| 16:37.35 | nolax | patric123 cannot open /proc/partitions in chroot and works fine in normal |
| 16:37.51 | quintin | pumpkin0: raid1, naturally. raid0 only good for scratch disk, or such |
| 16:37.52 | capiira | the problem is that evolution also stops working |
| 16:38.06 | patric123 | proc isn't mounted in your chrooted environment, so that makes sense |
| 16:38.07 | blondie | capiira: is the connection actually working? |
| 16:38.14 | capiira | as you can see :) |
| 16:38.20 | capiira | im on etch |
| 16:38.24 | pumpkin0 | quintin: it should work if you did everything by the book. |
| 16:39.06 | capiira | i even changed the network card |
| 16:39.28 | nolax | patric123 : so.. what now.. |
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| 16:39.52 | blondie | capiira: what "network manager" is this? |
| 16:39.59 | capiira | the one from gnome |
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| 16:40.08 | patric123 | I am kicking around making a lilo boot floppy, and if it works, dding it onto the beginning of your drive, in general, a terrible idea |
| 16:40.10 | capiira | and that wired icon from the notification area |
| 16:40.28 | blondie | I'd ignore it then |
| 16:40.35 | nolax | patric123 : errr.. that's another problem... i dont' have a floppy disk.. |
| 16:40.41 | blondie | how doesn't evolution work? |
| 16:41.01 | capiira | greyed out send and receive icon |
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| 16:41.21 | nolax | patric123 : fdd unit didn't work too good.. and it hit a wall... now it's just pices... |
| 16:41.22 | capiira | its because of that problem |
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| 16:41.49 | quintin | pumpkin0: mmm. very good |
| 16:41.56 | capiira | i think evolution communicate with the networkmanager and the network manager says im offline |
| 16:42.06 | capiira | but im not |
| 16:42.12 | blondie | do you actually use network-manager? |
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| 16:42.17 | Ronin | that or evolution isnt cnfigured correctly |
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| 16:42.25 | capiira | i configured my network using it |
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| 16:42.39 | DevilChaos | hellllllloooooooooooooo!!! |
| 16:42.52 | DevilChaos | it is i! |
| 16:42.56 | DevilChaos | heh |
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| 16:43.02 | capiira | i used it to setup ip dns gateway etc and enebled the nic |
| 16:43.06 | snowbird | waiting for sound card nd wifi card |
| 16:43.23 | patric123 | nolax, what filesystem(s) are you using |
| 16:43.24 | blondie | DevilChaos: sedative? |
| 16:43.52 | nolax | patric123 ext3 |
| 16:44.02 | DevilChaos | i have a small quirky problem i want to set default values for opening aplications like torrents and other things |
| 16:44.07 | DevilChaos | any tips please? |
| 16:44.19 | capiira | let me set back to dhcp and see if it goes away |
| 16:44.23 | capiira | brb |
| 16:44.25 | blondie | DevilChaos: in what? your DE? |
| 16:44.33 | DevilChaos | yeah |
| 16:44.39 | blondie | which is? |
| 16:44.51 | quintin | DevilChaos: need more variables before we can help |
| 16:45.24 | quintin | if I am running off of software raid, can I still mount the physical volumes somewhere if I want to ? |
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| 16:45.34 | DevilChaos | azureus is no longer defaut app for opening torrents but left click and i go to open with azureus and it gives me an error F****ing AAAAAARRRG |
| 16:45.35 | Mrdini | heya all |
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| 16:45.39 | nolax | patric123 : would grub solve the problem ? |
| 16:45.43 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 16:45.54 | snowbird | hi |
| 16:46.06 | Mrdini | is there a way to disable a particular cron script that's in /etc/cron.daily (apart from deleting it) |
| 16:46.07 | DevilChaos | i want to set this back to the default opener |
| 16:46.35 | cahoot_ | Mrdini: make it -x? |
| 16:46.46 | DevilChaos | im actually considering getting rid of azurious but am waiting for the few downloads i started to finish |
| 16:46.48 | Mrdini | cahoot, oh, that works? :o |
| 16:46.55 | quintin | DevilChaos: azureus sux anyway. use rtorrent |
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| 16:47.08 | DevilChaos | yeah i know this now |
| 16:47.12 | DevilChaos | :( |
| 16:47.13 | quintin | Mrdini: move it ? make it a=-x ? comment it out? |
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| 16:47.48 | patric123 | nolax, the problem right now is not having permission to write to the mbr of that drive |
| 16:48.00 | DevilChaos | is rtorrent quite quick and randomizes ports? |
| 16:48.03 | Mrdini | quintin, how can you comment a file out? ^^;;; |
| 16:48.12 | DevilChaos | i know it wont be that quick but you know |
| 16:48.20 | patric123 | no bios virus protection? |
| 16:48.25 | quintin | Mrdini: You can comment in the file |
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| 16:48.34 | Mrdini | quintin, ah - naah |
| 16:48.34 | nolax | patric123 hm.. why |
| 16:48.39 | quintin | DevilChaos: rtorrent is the best. let us not speak of this further |
| 16:48.40 | Mrdini | a-x seems the best |
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| 16:48.54 | DevilChaos | f**k it ill restart with r torrent just i think thanks for the advice |
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| 16:49.19 | blubb | hi, can someone tell if Debian works by the Netinstall with a intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG? Thx! |
| 16:49.23 | blubb | +me |
| 16:49.37 | quintin | blubb: boot netinst CD and see :P |
| 16:49.48 | blubb | hm |
| 16:49.49 | dondelelcaro | blubb: iirc, it does, but I haven't installed on one of those in a while. |
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| 16:50.06 | blubb | ok thank you |
| 16:50.09 | patric123 | because bios level virus protection actually just blocks access to the mbr |
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| 16:50.50 | nolax | patric123 : hmmm should i go check bios for that ? |
| 16:51.07 | Jul | pumpkin0: I'm back, I now have dpms but no RandR |
| 16:51.15 | nolax | patric123 : but i just wrote lot of things to mbe.. |
| 16:51.22 | nolax | patric123 s/mbe/mbr |
| 16:51.23 | capiira | yeah dhcp works and with static i get that "no network connection" icon |
| 16:51.27 | capiira | really strange |
| 16:51.33 | patric123 | if you haven't made changes recently in the bios (like loading defaults) then that's probaly not it |
| 16:51.52 | capiira | im behind a rounter but that shouldnt be a problem |
| 16:51.56 | pumpkin0 | Jul: OK, that looks like a problem with the nvidia driver. bad luck. |
| 16:52.44 | capiira | linksys wrt54gl |
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| 16:53.17 | Jul | pumpkin0: with the kernel-module or the nvidia-glx? |
| 16:53.39 | nolax | patric123 : so.. sny ideea what should i try.. |
| 16:53.58 | pumpkin0 | Jul: both. randr is a a driver-interface. The driver do not have to have that interface. |
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| 16:54.23 | pumpkin0 | Jul: also having 2 active cards is not the standard situation. |
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| 16:54.58 | patric123 | when you run lilo are you specifying the .conf file on your /mnt/sda3/etc or using the one from knoppix? |
| 16:55.30 | nolax | patric123 the one from /media/sda3/etc.. of course |
| 16:55.50 | Jul | pumpkin0: I will go back some revisions of the driver... Lets see if it works. Thanks for the moment. |
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| 16:56.54 | patric123 | the error you are getting is pretty obscure, (I found one reference to it in goole, and it was a french ubuntu fourum) but it seems to be permissions related |
| 16:57.09 | nolax | patric123 : i know.. googled it too |
| 16:57.15 | patric123 | you are root in knoppix? |
| 16:57.49 | nolax | yes |
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| 16:58.33 | patric123 | umount it and run fdisk against it, and attempt to write the partition table |
| 16:59.25 | patric123 | first print it (don't write a corrupt or invalid looking partitoin table) |
| 16:59.51 | nolax | patric123 and i get Warning: /dev/sda is not on the first disk |
| 17:00.04 | nolax | before the other error |
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| 17:00.35 | capiira | hmmmmm |
| 17:00.45 | capiira | this guy have the same error http://sc0ri0n.blogspot.com/2006/08/configuring-ip-address-in-ubuntu.html |
| 17:00.53 | capiira | but in ubuntu |
| 17:01.02 | capiira | must be a bug then or something like this |
| 17:01.16 | capiira | and ubuntu have it too |
| 17:01.59 | capiira | and i found this |
| 17:02.01 | capiira | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-August/msg00213.html |
| 17:02.13 | capiira | did debian the same as ubuntu ? |
| 17:02.24 | Ronin | capiira: other way around, they take from us actually |
| 17:02.34 | HardDisk_WP | Strange. kdetv recognizes my videotext vbi device, but AleVT doesnt support my card... |
| 17:02.44 | HardDisk_WP | but both use /dev/vbi0. any ideas? |
| 17:02.55 | capiira | yeah |
| 17:03.02 | capiira | an idea how i could fix that? |
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| 17:05.17 | quintin | bad block table full. woo! |
| 17:05.25 | Trewas | capiira: the network interface is either managed by /etc/network/interface or by networkmanager, if the interface is set in /e/n/i networkmanager won't touch it... that should change in the future, so that nm can manage also static addresses etc without reverting to "old style" /e/n/i configuration |
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| 17:06.30 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 17:06.40 | patric123 | nolax, do you have any other drives in your system (like hda for instance) |
| 17:07.00 | nolax | patric123 : yes and ide hdd and an cdrom |
| 17:07.15 | aubergine | is utf-8 able to show ä,ö,ü ? |
| 17:07.25 | patric123 | but you were booting off this drive before, and haven't made any bios changes right? |
| 17:07.27 | DimmuR | capiira, when you put static ip you have network and when you run dhcp you have not? |
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| 17:07.27 | pumpkin0 | aubergine: yes |
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| 17:07.50 | capiira | Trewas: and what should i use? |
| 17:08.01 | patric123 | (perhaps we are chasing the wrong cat's tail (our own)) and its as simple as running lilo against hda |
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| 17:08.22 | iturk_ | hi there i am trying to add a network printer using "Printers" in Gnome !! I am not shore what type of printer it is only that i know is that its in 10.10.22.174 IP and its a Samsung something Laser !! I know that in Windows i just give an IP and everythink falls from the sky !! Which type of printer should i select in order to just give the IP ? |
| 17:09.42 | aubergine | i have choosen de_DE utf-8@euro as locales but it doesnt show ä ö ü on the console. what must i do? |
| 17:09.43 | nolax | patric123 : on the hdd i just backup stuff around the network.. |
| 17:09.43 | capiira | nah when i put static the gnome icon shows "no network connection" and evolution stops working but i can still browse sites etc or use thunderbird |
| 17:09.43 | nolax | patric123 : it has no boot loader on it |
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| 17:09.43 | Trewas | capiira: umm, if it is not a laptop, skip networkmanager and use /e/n/i configuration and remove the networkmanager applet if that message disturbs |
| 17:09.43 | DimmuR | iturk_, i just added in cups manager (via www) network printer and then used it in gnome - worked for me |
| 17:09.49 | capiira | what is /e/n/i ? :) soory but im new to linux |
| 17:10.05 | Ronin | capiira: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:10.15 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 17:10.25 | iturk_ | DimmuR: how do i do that ?? |
| 17:10.25 | YogSothoth | What is the line to add a basedir in named.conf ? |
| 17:10.29 | capiira | then let me read more about it |
| 17:10.43 | capiira | thx a lot |
| 17:10.52 | DimmuR | iturk_, if you have cups installed you just login to cups via https://localhost:631 |
| 17:11.09 | capiira | but the gnome sentence sound like that both could work at same time |
| 17:11.26 | capiira | and that its a debian modification |
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| 17:12.12 | capiira | because that is what gnome people wrote This is because Ubuntu Modified Network Manager to not manage any |
| 17:12.12 | capiira | device if static settings are used in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:12.35 | capiira | ubuntu takes from debian then debian modified it |
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| 17:12.58 | Trewas | capiira: I think it is by design that only one of them works, otherwise they (nm and the old style configuration) would "fight" who gets to set up the interface... they work fine together for different interfaces (wired eth0 and wlan for example) |
| 17:13.22 | capiira | true |
| 17:13.25 | capiira | thx |
| 17:13.27 | capiira | :) |
| 17:13.34 | iturk_ | DimmuR: which device should i select ?? |
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| 17:13.58 | Trewas | or fine and fine, I have found that networkmanager does something stupid half of the time and the network have to be managed manually... |
| 17:14.03 | patric123 | nolax, what knoppix version? |
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| 17:15.18 | patric123 | seems like there must be a bug in the driver for your controller, (as it reports unnamed device, when the device is clearly named /dev/sda) |
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| 17:15.53 | patric123 | maybe a differnt knoppix, perhaps creating a rescue disk with the kernel on your system |
| 17:16.12 | patric123 | Very sorry, I have to run |
| 17:16.23 | nolax | patric123 : 5.0.1 from today |
| 17:16.26 | iturk_ | DimmuR: if i dont know which device i should select i will have the same problem like with gnome printer manager! Should i select samba printer or internet http or ipp or HP JetDirect or LPT ???? |
| 17:17.12 | DimmuR | iturk_, i have hp 4050 at work and use ipp |
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| 17:18.33 | g333k | hello, if I want to continue the development of a old and abandon pkg, where can I find all the discontinued pkgs? To find which are the most interesting for me? |
| 17:18.49 | iturk_ | DimmuR: its asking me for the Device URI what should i put ?? i already put the IP in the location at the beginning !! |
| 17:19.53 | blondie | iturk_: that location is the physical location |
| 17:20.03 | blondie | like "the office" or something |
| 17:20.22 | capiira | Trewas: But is there no way to completely disable the old way and enable network manager to manage static? |
| 17:20.36 | iturk_ | blondie: i only know the IP -> 10.10.22.174 what should i put in thre URI ?? if i ping to it i get a reply !! |
| 17:21.34 | blondie | what does pinging have to do with the URI? |
| 17:21.46 | Trewas | capiira: not currently afaik, it doesn't manage static addresses at all, though I guess they can be set with gnome's graphical configuration stuff instead of directly editing interfaces-file |
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| 17:22.41 | blondie | iturk_: you're using cups yes? |
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| 17:22.44 | Zmanu | hello |
| 17:23.02 | blondie | Zmanu: salut! |
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| 17:23.15 | Zmanu | i'm looking for a doc to know how create iso for cdcard |
| 17:23.16 | capiira | ahh ok thanks |
| 17:23.18 | Zmanu | blondie: salut |
| 17:23.31 | capiira | i just find it funny that evolution also stops working |
| 17:24.06 | blondie | iturk_: try ipp://ipaddress/ipp |
| 17:24.28 | capiira | i think evolution depends of network-manager |
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| 17:24.44 | DimmuR | iturk_, use http://ip:631/ipp/ or http://ip/ipp/ |
| 17:24.47 | blondie | capiira: no it doesnt |
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| 17:25.23 | blondie | Zmanu: cdcard? what's that? you can create ISO files with "mkisofs" |
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| 17:25.57 | capiira | then why the send and receive becomes ghosted because network-manager |
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| 17:26.10 | Zmanu | blondie: cdcard is format calling card |
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| 17:26.48 | capiira | with dhcp and network-manager working again the send and receive button work again |
| 17:27.01 | Zmanu | blondie: i don't find this format in man wkisofs |
| 17:27.05 | Zmanu | mkisofs |
| 17:27.35 | blondie | no idea what a cdcard is |
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| 17:27.39 | scy | hi. anyone in here wo uses a thinkpad T43, X41, R52 or Z60 and is able to tell me if and how he acivated DMA on the optical drive? |
| 17:27.41 | blondie | please explain |
| 17:27.50 | rahul | Zmanu: why would the physical dimensions of the disk have anything to do with the filesystem? |
| 17:27.52 | Zmanu | blondie: you see what is a calling card |
| 17:27.59 | blondie | Zmanu: no |
| 17:28.08 | Zmanu | blondie: une carte de visite |
| 17:28.14 | blondie | you mean one of those business card CDs? |
| 17:28.25 | Zmanu | yes |
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| 17:28.47 | blondie | well they just use normal iso9660 filesystems |
| 17:28.52 | blondie | the same as normal CD-Rs |
| 17:28.54 | Zmanu | rahul: because i fond nothing in cdrecord to explain that i want to burn a cdcard, so i look in mkisofs |
| 17:29.00 | blondie | just make sure the data isn't too big |
| 17:29.14 | blondie | Zmanu: the software doesn't care/know what shape the CD is |
| 17:29.14 | rahul | Zmanu: nothing cares about the shape of the disk |
| 17:29.25 | rahul | do a -dummy run to see if it fits |
| 17:29.25 | blondie | because it doesn't matter, except for capacity |
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| 17:30.02 | Zmanu | blondie: rahul so you think i can create my .iso and burn it, if i respect max size of cdcard |
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| 17:30.19 | rahul | Zmanu: yes. that's why you can read it in a normal cd reader |
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| 17:30.45 | Zmanu | ok, i gonna try when i got it |
| 17:31.24 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, do you know an equivalent of kdm for XFCE ? (because under xfce the default menu just allow me to logout, not to turn off or restart the computer) |
| 17:31.28 | irkite | How many CDs do we need to download to get a basic working system with X? |
| 17:31.37 | Ronin | irkite: disk 1 |
| 17:31.39 | rsk | Fahrenheit: install sudo |
| 17:31.47 | irkite | Ronin: thanks |
| 17:31.47 | rahul | irkite: 0 |
| 17:31.55 | irkite | lol how come |
| 17:31.56 | Ronin | irkite: or teh netinstaller |
| 17:32.04 | rahul | irkite: you never need a CD to install debian |
| 17:32.05 | Zmanu | blondie: rahul thanks |
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| 17:32.11 | rahul | Zmanu: np |
| 17:32.43 | irkite | rahul: doe the netinstall image have some way to download it with error checking like bittorrent? |
| 17:32.46 | Fahrenheit | rsk : that's all ? which desktop manager is recommended ? (no equivalent of kdm ?) |
| 17:32.48 | irkite | does* |
| 17:32.53 | rahul | irkite: error checking? |
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| 17:33.00 | rahul | irkite: how would you put errors into it? |
| 17:33.14 | rahul | Fahrenheit: kdm isn't a desktop manager |
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| 17:33.26 | rsk | Fahrenheit: yeah install sudo and it should have others than logout, try xdm and gdm for other alternatives. |
| 17:33.27 | irkite | rahul: automatic iso file integrity checking because my downloaded netinst images came up with mismatching md5sums twice |
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| 17:33.55 | Fahrenheit | rsk : k, thx |
| 17:34.00 | rahul | irkite: uh... are you sure you're matching the right image with the right md5sum? |
| 17:34.10 | irkite | so now i am tending towards downloading the full install CD images using bittorrent (couldn't find netinst via bittorrent, just direct download) |
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| 17:35.00 | irkite | rahul: yeah it should be the case, one time the netinst boot came up with a kernel panic, second time there was an md5 mismatch |
| 17:35.03 | rahul | irkite: you really can't get errors on internet downloads |
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| 17:35.36 | rahul | it's a 1 in 10^100 chance or less |
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| 17:35.46 | irkite | rahul: well md5sums are for that only right :) |
| 17:35.51 | irkite | network download errors |
| 17:36.03 | rahul | irkite: no, it's for checking if you downloaded the right file |
| 17:36.17 | rahul | or the whole file |
| 17:36.24 | irkite | but i seem to get the frequently nowadays on many files on this isp :( |
| 17:36.29 | irkite | get them* |
| 17:36.37 | rahul | irkite: that's highly irregular. |
| 17:36.42 | irkite | hmm |
| 17:36.57 | rahul | you should get random crap on your screen in irc, then |
| 17:37.09 | irkite | hehe |
| 17:37.21 | irkite | what about CRC errors |
| 17:37.26 | Trewas | rahul: tcp checksums are only 32-bit, so there is about one change in 2^16 that there is error with the same checksum, and anyway faulty http/ftp downloads are not that uncommon, I don't know if there is something else failing... |
| 17:37.31 | rahul | um... CRC isn't an error |
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| 17:37.58 | rahul | Trewas: you combine that with the less than 10^27 error rate on the lines... |
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| 17:38.23 | irkite | i remember seeing a field called "CRC errors" in win98 system monitor if i can recall it correctly, or maybe it was some network monitor app of some isp |
| 17:38.33 | irkite | anyway |
| 17:38.36 | rahul | irkite: CRC is not an error. it's a way of finding errors |
| 17:38.52 | kingsley | When booting after a power outage, a box now reports "hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {driveready seekcomplete error}", "0x01 addmarknotfound LBAsect=..." and "lost page write due to I/O error on hda1". badblocks also reports thousands or millions of blocks. Is it safe to assume that the hard drive needs to be replaced? |
| 17:38.54 | irkite | well maybe that is what that field implied |
| 17:38.59 | rahul | irkite: and that happened on modems without error checking in hardware |
| 17:39.10 | markw | rahul: I'd be swapping it. |
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| 17:39.17 | Trewas | rahul: doesn't that depend on the bit on the particular line? I have seen faulty ftp-transfers (not matching md5sum) even on local lans |
| 17:39.22 | irkite | rahul: i see |
| 17:39.44 | wastrel | cyclic redundancy check |
| 17:39.45 | markw | i/o error on a hdd is a bad sign. |
| 17:39.47 | rahul | Trewas: yes, it does, but that's what I've seen normally |
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| 17:43.26 | Trewas | rahul: btw I remembered wrong, the checksum is only 16-bit, so it's ~1/256 chance that an error is not noticed |
| 17:43.29 | sybec | Does anyone else have problems with the xfonts-terminus package? If I don't have the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc directory, it complains about it not existing.. if I *create* the directory, and then install the package.. the directory gets removed :-/ |
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| 17:45.15 | pyxel | hello, can somebody told me how many of pkgs are in stable three ? |
| 17:45.39 | Ronin | pyxel: im sure thats on debian.org somewhere |
| 17:46.52 | pyxel | Ronin: i cant find it =( |
| 17:47.04 | mc__ | pyxel: about 20 000 |
| 17:47.06 | Ronin | your kidding right? |
| 17:47.12 | Ronin | Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 15490 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine. |
| 17:47.18 | Ronin | right on the main page |
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| 17:47.31 | rahul | I think unstable is approaching 20k |
| 17:47.58 | mc__ | me too |
| 17:48.04 | pyxel | mc__: in core? actually i want to know how many is on base cd's not on net |
| 17:48.07 | dondelelcaro | !debstats |
| 17:48.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 17:48.14 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
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| 17:48.24 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19794 packages, 1765 maintainers, 45785 MB installed size, 15167 MB compressed size. |
| 17:48.31 | wastrel | hi |
| 17:48.38 | dondelelcaro | (that's on i386, may be different on other architectures) |
| 17:48.40 | mc__ | is that with or without nonfree? |
| 17:48.52 | dondelelcaro | mc__: that's main, contrib and non-free. |
| 17:49.19 | mc__ | dondelelcaro: ah,thanks |
| 17:49.38 | pyxel | thanks |
| 17:50.16 | pyxel | dondelelcaro: and only main ? |
| 17:50.19 | pyxel | !help |
| 17:50.28 | dondelelcaro | non free has somewhere around 400 or so packages, so it doesn't contribute much. |
| 17:50.52 | dondelelcaro | (and contrib around 300) |
| 17:51.03 | wastrel | you love cold cuts |
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| 17:52.03 | zoddan | hi |
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| 17:53.02 | zoddan | can anyone recommend a gallery that i can out on my server so i can addusers to that gallery so they can upload pictures and have a limit on storage at 20meg or so? |
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| 17:54.36 | malebria | Hello there, I've tried to install some different versions of alsa, since my microphone it's not working, but I couldn't configure it in any of them. |
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| 17:55.35 | malebria | Now I returned to the initial version (1.0.13), but the sound it's not working also. |
| 17:55.43 | malebria | It's the debian sid version, and after the others installations I can't hear anything. All applications work as if the card was configured, but I can't hear a sound. |
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| 17:56.09 | pickcoder-wrk | malebria: alsamixer.. make sure the outputs and inputs are not muted |
| 17:56.23 | malebria | pickcoder-wrk: I checked this already. |
| 17:56.38 | malebria | pickcoder-wrk: after alsaconf they were, but now they're not. I tried booting also.. |
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| 17:57.37 | Ronin | zoddan: how about gallery |
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| 18:04.45 | Fokker680 | hi |
| 18:05.07 | roe_ | any idea why my mp3 player plays sound fine but can't get firefox/flash to play sound |
| 18:05.09 | Fokker680 | can anyone give me a hand preparing a raid-0 array? |
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| 18:05.21 | roe_ | mp3player = amarok |
| 18:06.17 | Eulex | roe_, this is on sarge? |
| 18:06.24 | roe_ | etch |
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| 18:07.53 | roe_ | alsa is working, but something about firefox/flash doesn't want to play sound |
| 18:08.20 | mc__ | roe_: flash uses oss |
| 18:08.21 | streuner | KDE? |
| 18:08.32 | rahul | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 18:08.50 | mc__ | roe_: or get the newest flash beta,that supports already alsa |
| 18:08.55 | streuner | rahul: How was new year? ;-) |
| 18:09.01 | rahul | fun :) |
| 18:09.04 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.08 | rahul | I saw the fireworks in central park |
| 18:09.11 | streuner | hehe :-P |
| 18:09.30 | rahul | and then I got free drinks at my regular bar |
| 18:09.31 | streuner | sussudio: the same here, didn't figure out why yet |
| 18:09.36 | sussudio | :-| |
| 18:09.37 | rahul | su su sudio |
| 18:09.44 | roe_ | rahul: it is running |
| 18:09.55 | rahul | roe_: you need to restart firefox afterwards |
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| 18:10.05 | roe_ | rahul: it was always running |
| 18:10.19 | wastrel | "ubuntu" |
| 18:10.55 | jinda1 | roe_, i had the same problem.... it got somehow corrected in updates (opera worked for me then) |
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| 18:15.58 | creature | I tried to modprobe a module, and now the modprobe has hung. |
| 18:16.05 | creature | And I've tried to rmmod another module, and that has hung too. |
| 18:16.08 | creature | How can I de-hang it? |
| 18:16.45 | rahul | creature: don't use buggy drivers/hardware :) |
| 18:17.00 | creature | Like the kernel? |
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| 18:17.44 | rahul | "the kernel" is not a thing |
| 18:18.11 | creature | rahul: Well, let's stick to something more practical. I have this stuff that's currently broken, and I'd like to fix it. Ideally without a restart. |
| 18:18.30 | rahul | creature: you probably need to use a kernel debugger and fix whatever's broken |
| 18:18.30 | creature | ps reports their states as "D+". |
| 18:18.47 | rahul | some driver is probably wedged |
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| 18:19.20 | lindenle | !factstats new |
| 18:19.29 | dpkg | new factoids in the last 24hours (3): eth0: identified chip type ;; itms ;; itunes. |
| 18:19.30 | creature | So how do I unwedge it? |
| 18:19.38 | lindenle | !itunes |
| 18:19.38 | dpkg | well, itunes is A nifty music program that won't run under Linux. Try amarok or rhythmbox. |
| 18:19.46 | rahul | creature: reboot |
| 18:19.50 | lindenle | !itms |
| 18:19.50 | dpkg | itms is probably the iTunes Music Store. At this point, there's no support under linux. Sorry. |
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| 18:19.58 | blondie | !itunes |
| 18:19.58 | dpkg | itunes is, like, A nifty music program that won't run under Linux. Try amarok or rhythmbox. |
| 18:20.01 | rahul | creature: unless you know how to poke around kernel data structures at runtime |
| 18:20.10 | rahul | creature: and possibly PCI registers |
| 18:20.15 | blondie | blondiefail |
| 18:20.21 | rahul | oh, yeah |
| 18:20.21 | lindenle | blondie: hi |
| 18:20.28 | blondie | hi o.o |
| 18:20.29 | rahul | I got a $50 itunes gift cert :\ |
| 18:20.31 | creature | rahul: It's my USB system that's causing problems. |
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| 18:21.07 | wastrel | rahul trade it for cash with a non-linux user :] |
| 18:21.07 | creature | Guess it's reboot time. |
| 18:21.08 | httped | -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Argument list too long |
| 18:21.08 | rahul | if I use amarok or rhythmbox, can I download from itunes? |
| 18:21.08 | rahul | I think mplayer can play aac, right? |
| 18:21.23 | httped | how do you do chown on a particular dir for all the files to that owner? |
| 18:21.31 | blondie | rahul: AFAIK you need the itunes program to download from itunes. |
| 18:21.34 | httped | chown */*/* does not work here |
| 18:21.36 | wastrel | afaik you need the itunes application to download from itunes. you'd have to run it under |
| 18:21.38 | blondie | due to crappy DRM rubbish |
| 18:21.40 | wastrel | heh jinx |
| 18:21.45 | wastrel | wine or something :] |
| 18:21.50 | rahul | bleh |
| 18:21.52 | neowolf | rahul, i believe mplayer can play aac, yes, but not drm'd stuff |
| 18:21.58 | rahul | poo. |
| 18:22.19 | rahul | I usually buy my cds from the artist directly anyway |
| 18:22.30 | rahul | even if it's more expensive. they need beer money :) |
| 18:22.35 | lindenle | rahul: you can buy codeweavers and run itunes for windows under linux |
| 18:22.38 | unlink | why does 'flac -dc asdf.flac >asdf.wav; aplay asdf.wav' work, but 'flac123 asdf.flac' fail with the error Error opening ao device 3 |
| 18:22.43 | rahul | lindenle: heh. |
| 18:23.08 | rahul | unlink: because flac123 isn't set up to play with the right audio driver? |
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| 18:23.16 | pickcoder-wrk | httped: "man chown" has argument info |
| 18:23.29 | lindenle | rahul: or lookup PyMusique..not sure where it went, cuz i sold my ipod and bought a zaurus |
| 18:23.44 | rahul | I think I'll sell it |
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| 18:24.13 | lindenle | !sharpmusique |
| 18:24.27 | unlink | rahul: yeah, -d alsa09 works. |
| 18:24.28 | unlink | thanks. |
| 18:24.39 | lindenle | rahul: http://nanocrew.net/2005/09/17/sharpmusique-10/ |
| 18:25.00 | httped | i could use find but the condition is -name |
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| 18:25.16 | SJr|Work | Um here is a question, where can I go for advanced help with pppd? I don't see any mailing lists or anything for it? |
| 18:25.32 | httped | find -name 'bla' -exec chown www-data:www-data {} \; |
| 18:25.43 | httped | but i only want to chown on that particular dir |
| 18:25.51 | blondie | SJr|Work: try asking here? if you're using debian |
| 18:25.54 | blondie | s/if/iff/ |
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| 18:26.41 | SJr|Work | Well I'm writing a wrapper for pppd and I basically am getting the following error: Serial line is looped back. Connection Terminated |
| 18:27.13 | rahul | httped: maybe you want -type f? |
| 18:27.52 | SJr|Work | and to be honest this box isn't a debian box but thats irrelevant to the issue at hand. |
| 18:27.57 | httped | rahul, that is nice :) |
| 18:27.58 | httped | thank you |
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| 18:28.35 | grendal_prime | hey....i cant get kernel-headers for my kernel that make any sence? |
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| 18:28.54 | SJr|Work | grendal_prime how are you trying to get them? |
| 18:28.56 | rahul | SJr|Work: this wouldn't be the place for advanced stuff for any package, maybe #linux will be better or can direct you somewhere better than we know about |
| 18:29.08 | SJr|Work | yeah sorry |
| 18:29.11 | grendal_prime | well module-assistant |
| 18:29.15 | grendal_prime | and..or aptitude |
| 18:29.21 | grendal_prime | nither one works |
| 18:29.26 | grendal_prime | kernel-headers-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 18:29.27 | SJr|Work | what does aptitude say? |
| 18:29.57 | grendal_prime | it just does not show them as an installable package |
| 18:29.58 | cydork | grendal_prime: it's linux-headers |
| 18:30.10 | grendal_prime | module-assistant says this |
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| 18:30.15 | grendal_prime | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 18:30.25 | grendal_prime | aaa |
| 18:30.33 | grendal_prime | so i just need linux-headers... |
| 18:30.36 | grendal_prime | ya that reminds me |
| 18:30.48 | Fokker680 | quick question everyone |
| 18:30.57 | Fokker680 | if i make a base installation on one scsi disk |
| 18:31.05 | Fokker680 | can i make a raid-0 array later? |
| 18:31.08 | grendal_prime | new etch install that box is....i knowticed that...its a linux-kernel...not a kernel-image.. |
| 18:31.33 | Fokker680 | or i need to create the raid before the installation? |
| 18:31.36 | jelly-home | Fokker680: nope. |
| 18:31.53 | Fokker680 | i can't? |
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| 18:32.12 | jelly-home | Fokker680: Using softraid, you can't. raid0 should be pre-created. |
| 18:32.33 | Fokker680 | i understand |
| 18:32.52 | Fokker680 | well, so how can i create it hen? |
| 18:32.56 | Fokker680 | *then |
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| 18:33.06 | pickcoder-wrk | what about soft RAID over LVM? |
| 18:33.09 | Fokker680 | because i made a raid-0 with 3 18.2 GB disks |
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| 18:33.22 | Fokker680 | but now grub nor lilo won't install |
| 18:33.27 | Fokker680 | and i don't know why |
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| 18:33.53 | jelly-home | Fokker680: also, why would you an OS installation on a raid0 anyway? |
| 18:33.56 | jelly-home | want* |
| 18:34.06 | rahul | especially software raid |
| 18:34.06 | Fokker680 | nono |
| 18:34.13 | Fokker680 | i just want to get debian sarge installed |
| 18:34.17 | Fokker680 | on a raid-0 array |
| 18:34.19 | Fokker680 | that's it |
| 18:34.33 | Fokker680 | so i make 3 partitions prepared for raid |
| 18:34.38 | Fokker680 | and i create the raid |
| 18:34.48 | pickcoder-wrk | erm.. you don't need RAID0.. you can use LVM to combine the devices into logical groups |
| 18:34.49 | Fokker680 | i can install the system..everything is ok |
| 18:35.08 | pickcoder-wrk | and then size volumes to fit the mount points |
| 18:35.09 | Fokker680 | what are the advantages of lvm? |
| 18:35.16 | pickcoder-wrk | you can shrink and expand |
| 18:35.20 | pickcoder-wrk | fairly easily |
| 18:35.24 | Fokker680 | and why does people use raid-0 then? |
| 18:35.27 | pickcoder-wrk | add new devices |
| 18:35.34 | abrotman | stupidity mostly |
| 18:35.37 | jelly-home | hm. I don't know whether grub or lilo can read from raid0 |
| 18:35.37 | janttsu | i want to know that too Fokker680 .. i'm using it.. :D |
| 18:35.39 | abrotman | RAID0 isn't RAID at all |
| 18:35.41 | pickcoder-wrk | RAID-0 is worthless IMO |
| 18:35.49 | lindenle | agreed |
| 18:35.52 | lindenle | lvm rules |
| 18:36.02 | Fokker680 | wikipedia says that it increases the performance |
| 18:36.05 | Fokker680 | is that true? |
| 18:36.05 | janttsu | oh. maybe i should stop using raid 0 sometimes... |
| 18:36.08 | pickcoder-wrk | so does LVM |
| 18:36.23 | pickcoder-wrk | the only way it increases performance is you have more then one data path |
| 18:36.24 | Fokker680 | uhm. |
| 18:36.36 | abrotman | Fokker680: sure .. but it's not RAID ... it's the same durability as regular disks |
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| 18:36.37 | pickcoder-wrk | unless, it's IDE and 2 drives are on the same channel |
| 18:36.49 | pickcoder-wrk | only one device can talk on an IDE channel at a time |
| 18:36.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: uh, no, it's less than a regular disk |
| 18:36.56 | Fokker680 | but will lvm combine the three units into one "big" disk? |
| 18:37.03 | pickcoder-wrk | yes |
| 18:37.08 | Fokker680 | perfect then |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: only if you multiply the ability of any of the disks to fail being more than a single |
| 18:37.25 | pickcoder-wrk | you create a group with those devices |
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| 18:37.29 | Fokker680 | i've been messing around with this raid-0 piece of shit since 9 am |
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| 18:37.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: i meant that your data is realistically just as safe (or lack thereof) .. one disk means all data gone |
| 18:37.44 | pickcoder-wrk | then create volumes for each mount point and size them the way you want |
| 18:37.49 | Fokker680 | it's 3.37 and that linux still can't boot |
| 18:37.51 | pickcoder-wrk | the installer will step you through it |
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| 18:38.08 | Fokker680 | ok |
| 18:38.09 | Fokker680 | perfect |
| 18:38.14 | Fokker680 | thank you all. |
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| 18:40.56 | Fokker680 | uhm..back. |
| 18:41.07 | Fokker680 | LVM won't let me "combine" two or three disks |
| 18:41.19 | Fokker680 | at least that option is not availible on the installation |
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| 18:41.53 | Fokker680 | it does lets me modify current partitions..but maybe i'm just too stupid |
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| 18:43.21 | RickyRayy | anyone have experience with setting up a raid 1 config during installation using net inst cd? |
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| 18:44.21 | rahul | RickyRayy: oh, and before you get into a conversation about it, you should look at the install docs :) |
| 18:44.30 | rahul | they'll answer the basic questions |
| 18:44.56 | RickyRayy | ok :) |
| 18:45.17 | fantomas | Hi all. Have a question. I'm loging in via SSH to a remote host, su to another user, run a program in a screen and then try to attache the screen but see error message: "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." What should do to get into the screen? |
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| 18:47.25 | sussudio | fantomas: don't su. |
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| 18:48.04 | RickyRayy | the debian installation document do not contain info for installing with RAID 1 |
| 18:48.23 | fantomas | sussudio: but I don't want to run a program (which is an irc bot) under my user account. |
| 18:48.35 | Azar | RickyRayy: did you by chance read the reference pages online? |
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| 18:48.53 | sussudio | fantomas: if you want to attach, login as the user directly. |
| 18:49.17 | capiira | ok i killed network manager |
| 18:49.26 | capiira | its workingnow |
| 18:49.29 | sussudio | in soviet russia, network manager kills you. |
| 18:49.33 | fantomas | sussudio: so I can attach a foreign screen??? never heard about this possibility |
| 18:49.36 | mc__ | where is link_to defined? |
| 18:49.45 | capiira | :) |
| 18:49.49 | rahul | in soviet russia, su sudios you |
| 18:49.57 | capiira | heh |
| 18:50.03 | Azar | RickyRayy: etch or sarge, what did you installed? |
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| 18:50.32 | sussudio | fantomas: login as the user you want to attach screen to. |
| 18:51.11 | Azar | :) hello rahul |
| 18:51.18 | fantomas | sussudio: ok, I'll try |
| 18:51.23 | rahul | :) |
| 18:51.41 | Fokker680 | sorry to bother you guys again..but i'm having some problems getting sarge installed with LVM |
| 18:52.05 | zoddan | Ronin: gallery? |
| 18:52.11 | RickyRayy | some of the reference pages, the installation document yes. going through more now |
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| 18:53.07 | grendal_prime | still unable to get that to work |
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| 18:53.46 | Ronin | zoddan: apt-cache search |
| 18:53.49 | grendal_prime | SJr|Work: i dont know..but..ummm |
| 18:54.03 | zoddan | ok |
| 18:54.08 | grendal_prime | not able to seem to get the kernel source of that particular kernel |
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| 18:54.28 | grendal_prime | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-3-486 |
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| 18:54.48 | zoddan | Ronin: i have downloaded it and so on, how do i access it? |
| 18:55.59 | fantomas | sussudio: I can't get it. I run /usr/rbot using special account 'rbot'. I run it in a screen with a command: "screen -m -d -S rubyroid /usr/bin/rbot -d /home/bot/.rbot". What do I want now is to attach this screen for which I use this command: screen -d -r rubyroid. If I try to attach that screen using any other account - its invisible |
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| 18:56.12 | RickyRayy | Azar: i cannot find any info on it now |
| 18:56.20 | zoddan | anyone know how i access "gallery" when i have installed it? |
| 18:56.31 | cast | [asked in amd64 already]: ...i installed lm-sensors, ran sensors-detect, made sure the relevent modules were loaded [except k8temp] but sensors still reports 'No sensors found!' there something i missed? |
| 18:56.51 | zoddan | cast: reload modules |
| 18:56.55 | cydork | RickyRayy: if you are using sarge /msg dpkg raid1howto |
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| 18:57.11 | zoddan | Ronin: ?? |
| 18:57.11 | fantomas | sussudio: "invisible" - i mean "screen -list" issued under another account returns nothing |
| 18:57.28 | RickyRayy | how do i know if i'm using sarge |
| 18:57.38 | cast | zoddan: well, i did a reboot |
| 18:57.49 | cast | zoddan: but ill try rmmod/modprobe again |
| 18:57.52 | zoddan | Ronin: ?? |
| 18:58.09 | RickyRayy | i'm doing a fresh install so perhaps i should get debian sarge? |
| 18:58.23 | deb_noob | i used etch |
| 18:58.27 | deb_noob | etch net cd |
| 18:58.33 | cydork | RickyRayy: /msg dpkg version |
| 18:58.43 | zoddan | Ronin: and?? |
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| 18:59.39 | RickyRayy | i don't have linux installed on the machine yet |
| 18:59.50 | RickyRayy | i'm doing research ahead of time before i install |
| 18:59.54 | rahul | RickyRayy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 18:59.57 | zoddan | im so tired of this |
| 19:00.13 | zoddan | ppl syaing what gallery to use but they cant say how i access them |
| 19:00.20 | Azar | RickyRayy: which Debian version are you installing? Sarge? 3.1 or Etch? |
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| 19:00.49 | Ronin | zoddan: did you read the gallery man? or thier webpage? |
| 19:00.53 | RickyRayy | i got it from here, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:01.03 | zoddan | Ronin: did you rembember telling me using ut? |
| 19:01.17 | Azar | RickyRayy: I found something here for you but: if you install Etch most likely you got support for Raid, if you install Sarge: install with "linux26" so you get the 2.6 kernel support |
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| 19:01.48 | cast | zoddan: hmm, think i've found an error message, thanks :> |
| 19:01.57 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:02.03 | zoddan | Ronin: so how do i access it? |
| 19:02.12 | Azar | I do not know "how old" is this article but it gives you a general view: (as I said, Etch might have builtin support for raid): http://dev.jerryweb.org/raid/ |
| 19:02.21 | Ronin | zoddan: i suggested using gallery, its up to you to figure out how to use it, theres man pages and they have a very well documentated website as well |
| 19:02.27 | zoddan | hahah |
| 19:02.33 | zoddan | so mutch for the debian channel |
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| 19:02.49 | rahul | so much for dumb users |
| 19:02.51 | Ronin | zoddan: if you want me to hold your hand to set it up you can paypal me some money |
| 19:02.51 | cast | [not that i can fix _pSLsys_getkey: EIO error, but least now i know why it doesn't work :] |
| 19:02.52 | Azar | zoddan, want spoonfed |
| 19:03.08 | zoddan | or you can just say how i access it |
| 19:03.14 | Ronin | read the damn manual |
| 19:03.14 | zoddan | takes 20sec to say it |
| 19:03.16 | RickyRayy | sarge 3.1 doesn't support raid? |
| 19:03.16 | Azar | zoddan: people who come here for help get an education on reading manuals |
| 19:03.20 | rahul | zoddan: takes 20 sec to read the manual |
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| 19:03.25 | zoddan | no |
| 19:03.28 | zoddan | i takes 4 days |
| 19:03.36 | Azar | RickyRayy: don't know... Ronin, is 2.6.8 in Sarge supporting Raid? |
| 19:03.36 | alexcamilo | what do i add to my /etc/network/interfaces file to have my computer connect to a specific ssid with a wep password instead of automatically finding an open one. |
| 19:03.40 | rahul | then it'll take 4 days to read what we tlel you |
| 19:03.44 | azeem | zoddan: do you have a specific problem/question about gallery? |
| 19:03.53 | zoddan | yes |
| 19:03.59 | zoddan | how do i access if after the installation |
| 19:04.19 | Ronin | zoddan: read the manual and thier webpage |
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| 19:04.29 | zoddan | dont know thir webpage |
| 19:04.36 | azeem | zoddan: also, see if there is a README.Debian with hints |
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| 19:04.44 | zoddan | i dont have a readme file |
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| 19:04.53 | rahul | zoddan: then you didn't install the debian package |
| 19:04.57 | zoddan | yes i did |
| 19:04.59 | Ronin | zoddan: http://gallery.menalto.com/ |
| 19:05.09 | rahul | the debian package tells you where their site it |
| 19:05.10 | rahul | is |
| 19:05.16 | rahul | "The upstream web site is: http://gallery.sf.net" |
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| 19:05.40 | azeem | zoddan: /usr/share/doc/gallery/README.Debian |
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| 19:05.59 | zoddan | http://codex.gallery2.org/index.php/Gallery2:How_do_I_Install_Gallery2 |
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| 19:06.07 | zoddan | where does it say how i access it? |
| 19:06.23 | RickyRayy | bbiab |
| 19:06.24 | Ronin | ack |
| 19:06.27 | Azar | yep every package has a "doc" documentation in /usr/share/doc and is really entertaining finding info on them |
| 19:06.40 | ajehuk | I didnt want to ask this question here :) but does anyone know if there is support for sdio wifi cards and if so what form it takes? It would seem that there isnt but It would be nice if there were a definate yes no.. and if it is a definate no - is anyone aware of a decent CF wifi + memory combo that is well supported (preferably out of the box...)? |
| 19:06.51 | zoddan | -- |
| 19:06.52 | zoddan | Gallery2 depends on a web server with php 4 or 5 enabled. For apache, |
| 19:06.52 | zoddan | apache-perl, apache-ssl, or apache2, Gallery2 can be configured correctly. |
| 19:06.52 | zoddan | In the case of web server other than apache, apache-perl, apache-ssl, or |
| 19:06.52 | zoddan | apache2, you are left to configure this urls/paths: |
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| 19:07.10 | pickcoder-wrk | Azar: especially when the docs say see the web site and the web site says see /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 19:07.13 | zoddan | thats all that is the README file |
| 19:07.18 | zoddan | nothing more |
| 19:07.20 | zoddan | so... |
| 19:08.01 | Azar | hahaha pickcoder-wrk yes, you know I read some interesting things about aptitude in the README page, stuff that is not out there on the web... |
| 19:08.13 | Ronin | zoddan: go to their website and start reading |
| 19:08.21 | zoddan | ------------- |
| 19:08.27 | zoddan | (20:06:01) (zoddan) http://codex.gallery2.org/index.php/Gallery2:How_do_I_Install_Gallery2 |
| 19:08.28 | zoddan | (20:06:09) (zoddan) where does it say how i access it? |
| 19:08.51 | Ronin | did you read the damn website? zoddan i did, and i got it installed and configured |
| 19:09.01 | zoddan | what did u just say? |
| 19:09.01 | Azar | zoddan: like you access any webpage on the internet, with a browser |
| 19:09.11 | zoddan | read on their page |
| 19:09.20 | zoddan | they say noting on how i access it |
| 19:10.10 | Ronin | it does so tell you zoddan, be patient and read |
| 19:10.19 | zoddan | tell me where then |
| 19:10.21 | zoddan | and how |
| 19:11.04 | SpeS | hi |
| 19:11.18 | SpeS | where do I have to point /dev/dsp? I don't have that now! |
| 19:11.24 | zoddan | and... |
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| 19:11.37 | azeem | SpeS: which version of Debian? |
| 19:11.40 | rahul | zoddan: you're getting boring. |
| 19:11.47 | zoddan | u to |
| 19:11.54 | SpeS | azeem, testing |
| 19:12.00 | azeem | SpeS: so a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:12.00 | zoddan | Ronin: so where does it say "access the gallery" |
| 19:12.02 | Ronin | rahul: getting? |
| 19:12.04 | SpeS | I think it worked untill now (?) |
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| 19:12.09 | SpeS | yes, 2.6 |
| 19:12.11 | azeem | then you likely need the ALSA oss emulation |
| 19:12.11 | SpeS | 2.6.18 |
| 19:12.22 | rahul | Ronin: oh, I haven't been paying as much attention to his blathering, I guess |
| 19:12.29 | SpeS | mplayer asks for /dev/dsp |
| 19:12.42 | zoddan | so mutch for that channel. |
| 19:12.45 | azeem | SpeS: tell it to use the ALSA devices |
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| 19:12.55 | SpeS | azeem, let's see, it should |
| 19:13.05 | azeem | SpeS: /dev/dsp is OSS, not ALSA |
| 19:13.15 | Azar | zoddan: this channel is about debian operating system issues, not 3rd party-spec packages, contact the people who created that package and complain to them |
| 19:13.22 | zoddan | hahahahah |
| 19:13.33 | zoddan | Direct your web browser to http://localhost/gallery2/install to begin the Gallery2 step-by-step installation. |
| 19:13.41 | SpeS | azeem, I don't see alsa with -ao help |
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| 19:13.44 | zoddan | i DONT have a "gallery2" direcotry in my www-root |
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| 19:13.50 | zoddan | so how am i supose to access it then.. |
| 19:13.57 | Azar | zoddan: we don't care about your gallery thingie |
| 19:14.02 | zoddan | ha |
| 19:14.09 | zoddan | and i dont care about you so..... |
| 19:14.16 | SpeS | azeem, mpegpes, oss, nas, null, pcm and plugin |
| 19:14.17 | ajehuk | zoddan: how did you install gallery? |
| 19:14.20 | SpeS | pcm? |
| 19:14.22 | zoddan | apt-get |
| 19:14.28 | SpeS | no... |
| 19:14.53 | SpeS | that writes to file |
| 19:14.53 | zoddan | crappy apt |
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| 19:14.57 | ajehuk | and where is your www-root located? |
| 19:14.58 | azeem | SpeS: then load the oss compat modules |
| 19:15.02 | anapivirtua | Hi all... |
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| 19:15.06 | zoddan | ajehuk: var/www |
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| 19:15.27 | ajehuk | zoddan - are you using apache or apache2? |
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| 19:15.32 | zoddan | apache |
| 19:15.34 | SpeS | azeem, with apt? |
| 19:15.40 | SpeS | or in the kernel? |
| 19:15.41 | azeem | SpeS: no with modprobe |
| 19:15.46 | SpeS | aham |
| 19:15.58 | ajehuk | zoddan - and you have no gallery folder in /var/www/... |
| 19:16.07 | zoddan | nope |
| 19:16.08 | SpeS | azeem, how is it named? |
| 19:16.11 | SpeS | ^_^ |
| 19:16.15 | ajehuk | zoddan - hold on then let me just try an install... |
| 19:16.16 | RickyRay | I put the debian 3.2 net inst cd in my cdrom drive and booted, it started detecting cdrom drives (IDE type it says). and it seems to have froze |
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| 19:16.23 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:16.23 | RickyRay | my cdrom drive is a sata also |
| 19:16.39 | azeem | SpeS: snd-oss-compat or something |
| 19:16.41 | rsk | RickyRay: try the etch rc1 install image |
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| 19:16.49 | SpeS | azeem, ok, thanks :) |
| 19:16.50 | RickyRay | url? |
| 19:16.51 | azeem | SpeS: search /lib/modules/2.6.18* for it |
| 19:17.07 | Azar | RickyRay: etch supports both sata and raid, from what I heard... 3.2 is etch.. it should work I guess |
| 19:17.14 | rsk | RickyRay: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:17.32 | rsk | 3.2 is not etch its sarge? |
| 19:17.43 | azeem | rsk: there's no 3.2 |
| 19:17.43 | Azar | rsk, no is etch |
| 19:17.43 | SpeS | snd-pcm-oss.ko ? |
| 19:17.47 | rsk | okey |
| 19:17.53 | azeem | Azar: etch is 4.0 |
| 19:18.07 | Azar | azeem wow, thanks :) |
| 19:18.18 | azeem | SpeS: sounds good |
| 19:18.24 | SpeS | azeem, yes, it created the /dev/dsp "file", thanks :) |
| 19:18.25 | RickyRay | i don't want to use a beta :S |
| 19:18.25 | ajehuk | zoddan - are you using stable / testing / unstable etc..? |
| 19:18.28 | Azar | 3.0, 3.1 >> 4.0 wow what a jump |
| 19:18.32 | zoddan | ajehuk: unstable |
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| 19:18.43 | zoddan | ajehuk: allot of files is under "/usr/share/gallery2/" |
| 19:18.47 | rsk | RickyRay: its not a beta really :) its a release candidate! |
| 19:19.10 | RickyRay | heres the filename, debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:19.10 | ajehuk | zoddan - give me a second |
| 19:19.13 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:19.14 | Azar | RickyRay: etch will come out officially soon, so is like almost stable |
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| 19:19.55 | RickyRay | is there a way to get raid 1 working with both windows xp and debian dual boot? |
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| 19:20.28 | yos872 | Hi |
| 19:21.05 | ajehuk | zoddan - did you have working apache / mysql servers prior to installing gallery? |
| 19:21.10 | zoddan | yes |
| 19:21.15 | Azar | RickyRay: I have no idea about dual boot, never tried it |
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| 19:22.04 | ManuP | hi! i mounted my ntfs-device as root, but as user i can not acces it. the directory i mounted it in is /mnt/win. the rw-bits are set to 600, owner: root and group root. i can not change this when the fs is mounted. if i change it when it is unmounted, there is no problem until i mount the device. Then, the rwx-bits are again 600. How can i acces the ntfs-fs as user? |
| 19:22.41 | azeem | ManuP: man mount, search for ntfs options and uid, gid and umask |
| 19:23.00 | azeem | ManuP: or simply mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/foo /mnt or something |
| 19:23.15 | azeem | (review that for obvious multiuser security) |
| 19:23.15 | blondie | and don't expect to write to it |
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| 19:23.28 | ManuP | the umask and uid, gid: i can set this in /etc/fstab? |
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| 19:23.49 | ManuP | blondie, well, ill try to somehow. |
| 19:23.50 | azeem | ManuP: yeah, I guess so |
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| 19:24.07 | ajehuk | zoddan - OK my install has gone OK, |
| 19:24.10 | blondie | ManuP: yeah, use windows for that |
| 19:24.25 | zoddan | ajehuk: ok, did you get a gallery2 direcotry in the www-root? |
| 19:24.27 | blondie | !ntfs |
| 19:24.28 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 19:25.16 | zoddan | ajehuk: ? |
| 19:25.24 | ajehuk | zoddan - no a link - I would suggest that you create a link between /usr/share/gallery2 and /var/www/gallerey2 or that you modify your apache virtual servers (if you are using apache2) to include that directory |
| 19:25.34 | ManuP | blondie, no, i'd rather use sth. like Paragon... |
| 19:25.41 | zoddan | ajehuk: i just told you im using apache |
| 19:25.51 | ajehuk | zoddan - then create a link |
| 19:25.57 | zoddan | ajehuk: how do i creatae a link between them? |
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| 19:27.38 | ajehuk | zoddan as root use ln (ln --help will give you the syntax you want) something like ln -s /usr/share/gallery2 /var/www/gallery2 should do it |
| 19:27.47 | zoddan | ok |
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| 19:28.08 | blondie | ManuP: pardon? |
| 19:28.17 | zoddan | ajehuk: 404 |
| 19:28.18 | tolan | hello, i can't rescue a linux install from knoppix.. the linux is on a sata drive, i tried chroot to the driver and run lilo but it just tells me there is no porc.... can someone help me ? |
| 19:28.27 | ManuP | blondie, or something like that. |
| 19:28.33 | ajehuk | zoddan - whatt? |
| 19:28.35 | abrotman | tolan: ask #knoppix |
| 19:28.44 | zoddan | ajehuk: 404 in the browser |
| 19:29.00 | ajehuk | does /var/www/gallery2 now exist? |
| 19:29.01 | tolan | abrotman, why ? i need to rescue debian not knoppix |
| 19:29.06 | zoddan | ajehuk: yes |
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| 19:29.11 | abrotman | you're using their rescue disc ? |
| 19:29.28 | Deja-Vu | ufff ne kadar cok debian kullanicisi varmis |
| 19:29.30 | zoddan | ajehuk: i just created the direcotry |
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| 19:29.37 | tolan | abrotman, yes.. because i am tring to get into mine.. |
| 19:29.39 | ajehuk | zoddan and what happens if you try just your servers root? i.e. http://localhost |
| 19:29.48 | abrotman | tolan: what happened to your debian install ? |
| 19:29.53 | zoddan | ajehuk: i just get my homepage |
| 19:30.07 | zoddan | ajehuk: http://lurix.net |
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| 19:30.24 | zoddan | ajehuk: now |
| 19:30.33 | zoddan | ajehuk: thanks :P |
| 19:30.37 | ajehuk | zoddan - is that the server you are installing gallery on? |
| 19:30.44 | zoddan | ajehuk: yes |
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| 19:31.22 | Deja-Vu | zoddan: hov are you? |
| 19:31.24 | tolan | abrotman: it worked fine but i changed soem hardware, (motherboard and cpu) and i need win for work.. and installed the god damn thing now i can't enjoy my system because i don't have a boot loader |
| 19:31.32 | zoddan | Deja-Vu: ? |
| 19:31.37 | ManuP | !umask |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
| 19:31.43 | zoddan | ajehuk: working now, thanks fo the help |
| 19:32.08 | ajehuk | zoddan - its there - /gallery2/gallery2 by the looks of it |
| 19:32.10 | abrotman | tolan: try like an ubuntu CD (dunno if knoppix will work) and use its bootloader to get into debian |
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| 19:32.16 | zoddan | ajehuk: ye i know |
| 19:32.23 | zoddan | ajehuk: i forgot the "2" :P |
| 19:32.42 | ajehuk | hmmm shall I do the install from here...... ;) - might want to sort it out sharpish |
| 19:32.47 | tolan | abrotman, i tried a debian cd and didn't work.. it could be lack of sata support i think |
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| 19:33.33 | strk | where can I find kernel modules ? in which package ? (looking for aic7xxx) |
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| 19:33.37 | Azar | tolan: debian 4.0 etch has sata support (higher kernel version) |
| 19:33.43 | yos872 | Hi |
| 19:33.52 | ManuP | lol, i read the manpage for umask, but i still have not understood what it is. (sorry, im not native english= |
| 19:34.06 | zoddan | ajehuk: no im making it by my self |
| 19:34.09 | tolan | AZB, i know i used for instalation in the first time but i don't have the cd anymore |
| 19:34.17 | zoddan | ajehuk: btw do i have to create the databse by my self? |
| 19:34.22 | ajehuk | zoddan - I was joking |
| 19:34.23 | tolan | Azar, ^ |
| 19:34.37 | ajehuk | zoddan - not sure I havent looked at my sql server - |
| 19:34.41 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:34.42 | yos872 | I have problem, I'm running azureus, when I run it , it stay arrount half an hour and it swich off alone, and log file is here http://pastebin.ca/301412 |
| 19:34.54 | Azar | tolan: the etch is not yet officially out, you can get it with a netinstall |
| 19:34.54 | abrotman | tolan: the ubuntu CD has a bootloader you can use for other installations(even to boot windows IIRC) |
| 19:35.05 | tolan | Azar, the only solution i have atm will be to write lilo from here somehow |
| 19:35.25 | Azar | tolan: listen to abrotman he knows better |
| 19:35.28 | ajehuk | zoddan - Its created the database for me here |
| 19:35.30 | hark | strk: it's part of the kernel |
| 19:35.32 | yos872 | somebody can helpme to solve the problem? I want to know why it swiching off alone |
| 19:35.42 | zoddan | ajehuk: ok what did i name it? |
| 19:35.55 | Ronin | yos872: asked in #azureus? |
| 19:36.06 | strk | hark: ok, I found that I manually built it... I'm building the missing module now, thanks |
| 19:36.11 | tolan | abrotman, ii don't have a cd-rw around atm :( |
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| 19:36.14 | ajehuk | zoddan - the one here is called gallery2 - Think you get to choose the name during the installation |
| 19:36.23 | zoddan | ajehuk: not me :( |
| 19:36.31 | Azar | tolan: ask a friend to burn for you a cd |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | tolan: okay |
| 19:36.39 | ajehuk | suggest that you take a look at your mysql server and find out |
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| 19:37.00 | tolan | Azar, it takes till tomrow :((( |
| 19:37.16 | Azar | tolan: what about a netinstall? |
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| 19:37.27 | tolan | the cd's i have don't work |
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| 19:37.39 | tolan | the don't detect the sata drive |
| 19:37.44 | tolan | s/the/they |
| 19:37.53 | Azar | ..... |
| 19:37.58 | ManuP | blondie, <<ntfs-3g. This version has full read/write capabilities, many bug fixes and improved performance. It has already been downloaded over 66,000 times, tested and regularly used by users with satisfaction over the last three months.>> from www.linux-ntfs.org : i think its worth trying. |
| 19:38.21 | tolan | Azar, : i am trying to google to see if i can load debian from knoppix as well |
| 19:38.22 | Azar | tolan: no net, no cd, no cd-rw... too bad |
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| 19:39.07 | sss111 | hello |
| 19:39.11 | pickcoder-wrk | what advantage is there with ntfs over ext3 |
| 19:39.11 | tolan | Azar, i know |
| 19:39.37 | tolan | Azar, and i think you get the picture that i really want to resolve the problem like this |
| 19:39.50 | Azar | tolan: yes but you can't |
| 19:40.01 | yos872 | no body answer in #azureus ! |
| 19:40.10 | ajehuk | tolan whats up? |
| 19:40.18 | Ronin | yos872: then be patient |
| 19:40.19 | sss111 | hi |
| 19:40.33 | tolan | Azar, well.. i have the hole night to find out |
| 19:40.41 | sss111 | How to run command "abc123" every mon,wednesday,thursday,saturday at 3AM via cron? crontab must be? |
| 19:40.54 | tolan | ajehuk, installed windows and erased my lilo |
| 19:40.59 | yos872 | Ronin: You don't need to say that, Just don't answer if you didn't like the question |
| 19:41.03 | tolan | ajehuk, now i need to reinstall it somehow |
| 19:41.09 | rahul | sss111: man 5 crontab |
| 19:41.24 | ajehuk | tolan - any boot cds? |
| 19:41.24 | tolan | ajehuk, the hdd is sata... and the only thing i have is a knoppix live cd |
| 19:41.44 | Azar | yos872: is not about "liking" is about the question is not debian related.. |
| 19:41.49 | tolan | ajehuk, : i have some old debian cd's but they don't detect sata.. |
| 19:42.00 | zoddan | ajehuk: http://lurix.net/gallery2/gallery2/ :) |
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| 19:42.16 | ajehuk | I take it the knoppix cd is bootable? |
| 19:42.26 | tolan | yes |
| 19:42.33 | tolan | i am talking from it right now :) |
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| 19:42.41 | ajehuk | does it see the sata drives?? |
| 19:42.45 | tolan | yes |
| 19:42.47 | tolan | with no problems |
| 19:42.53 | yos872 | Azer: so many people asking not-related debian questin, and they got the answer, I'm not keeping asking all the time, It's only one line question, he shouldn't say that |
| 19:43.11 | ajehuk | tolan - should be fixable then give me a moment |
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| 19:43.28 | tolan | ajehuk, : i bet it can |
| 19:43.36 | Azar | yos872: many other channels are quiet at some times, what is wrong with waiting for someone to answer you there? |
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| 19:44.05 | zoddan | ajehuk: ok, so how do i do to add a user and let him upload images to a limit of 20mb? |
| 19:44.13 | ajehuk | tolan - I assume you know which partition was your root - from knoppix's point of view? |
| 19:44.27 | tolan | yes |
| 19:44.27 | ajehuk | zoddan - I know nothing whatsoever about gallery - sorry |
| 19:44.32 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:44.42 | yos872 | Azar: all rights, I appologize about what I did, I will no ask such question later |
| 19:44.43 | Thor_CMP_ | please, by default, the debian 3.1 r4 installs with kernel 2.6 or i need to pass some parameters? |
| 19:44.57 | MeiyoIsHONOR | I am new to Debian and Samba. I want to use swat to configure samba but not able to connect. When I nmap the box, I do not see port 901. How do I open it? |
| 19:45.06 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: linux26 |
| 19:45.10 | Azar | yos872: it's ok no need to get upset over few words in the future |
| 19:45.11 | pickcoder-wrk | or you get 2.4.27 |
| 19:45.16 | ajehuk | tolan then something like.... (as root) chroot /media/hda1 lilo where /media/hda1 is your root partition mounted under knoppix |
| 19:45.27 | pickcoder-wrk | "linux26" at syslinux boot prompt |
| 19:45.31 | tolan | ajehuk, dosen't work |
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| 19:45.45 | ajehuk | tolan - hmm any reason why> |
| 19:45.46 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk i will install in my notebook... what kernel is better? 2.4.37 or 2.6? |
| 19:45.48 | ajehuk | ? |
| 19:46.07 | abrotman | this is where he should ask #knoppix why it doesn't work ... |
| 19:46.09 | Thor_CMP_ | s/37/27 |
| 19:46.13 | pickcoder-wrk | 2.6 supports newer hardware |
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| 19:46.37 | ajehuk | abrotman - true - but if its solvable therees no point in shunting people... |
| 19:46.39 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk if i put the linux26 in the syslinux prompt, what version of the 2.6 will be installed? |
| 19:46.39 | pickcoder-wrk | depends on your notebook |
| 19:46.45 | pickcoder-wrk | 2.6.8-3 |
| 19:46.49 | abrotman | ajehuk: uhm .. yes |
| 19:47.08 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk is old.. isnt it? |
| 19:47.24 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: old ~= stable |
| 19:47.36 | tolan | ajehuk, i will use pastebin |
| 19:47.38 | pickcoder-wrk | if you want newer, install Etch RC1 and get 2.6.18 |
| 19:47.44 | tolan | ajehuk, http://pastebin.com/849733 |
| 19:47.46 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk i think i will need 2.6 version, because i have wireless inside |
| 19:47.47 | abrotman | i think RC2 is out there |
| 19:47.50 | Flimzy | My company is evaluating security scanning software... Nessus is the package that the guy in charge is leaning toward... Can anyone tell me if there's a better tool for this? |
| 19:47.52 | Thor_CMP_ | not pcmcia |
| 19:47.55 | pickcoder-wrk | RC2 is out now? |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | i'm chekcing |
| 19:48.11 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: then first determine which kernel supports your wireless |
| 19:48.17 | pickcoder-wrk | that is a big issue with many people |
| 19:48.19 | abrotman | oh .. not yet |
| 19:48.45 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk and what about the packets? are the very old in debian 3.1 r4? |
| 19:48.47 | pickcoder-wrk | kernel + driver |
| 19:49.03 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: some are.. but there are backports available @ backports.org |
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| 19:49.39 | pickcoder-wrk | Etch has newer packages |
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| 19:49.55 | pickcoder-wrk | and it will become "stable" in the very near future |
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| 19:50.39 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: if you really want to run Xfree86 instead of Xorg, then you should install Sarge |
| 19:51.06 | pickcoder-wrk | Etch does not come with XFree86.. only Xorg |
| 19:51.08 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk i dont need it... and i really prefere new versions of oackets |
| 19:51.11 | Zta | I've got an NFS problem. My server exports a dir with mode 770 and owner 0.200 (ie. user root and a group with gid 200). On my mounting client, my user is a member of gid 200, and can mount the export allright, but I don't have any read (not write) access to it. If I chmod 777 the dir on the server, everything works, but I don't want the dir exposed like that locally on the server. Why doesn't it work with 770/0.200 ? Shouldn't it? |
| 19:51.36 | Thor_CMP_ | Thor_CMP_ what is the name of the version that comes with only new packets? |
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| 19:51.55 | Thor_CMP_ | im speaking with my alter ego... rs |
| 19:51.56 | pickcoder-wrk | Sid is unstable |
| 19:52.03 | kalila | in a mysql prompt, how to the size of the database tables? |
| 19:52.03 | pickcoder-wrk | and is not supported here |
| 19:52.12 | pickcoder-wrk | and will cause you lots of grief |
| 19:52.23 | pickcoder-wrk | but if you _have_ to hav bleeding edge, Sid is it |
| 19:52.45 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk hmmm what did you fo if you were in my position? |
| 19:52.52 | Ronin | yos872: well it is #azureus and you are asking about azureus, makes sense to me to ask and wait there |
| 19:52.54 | jorgp | not yet.. sid will not be bleeding edge again until etch is released |
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| 19:53.02 | ManuP | how to delete a symlink? rm symlink?? |
| 19:53.03 | pickcoder-wrk | jorgp: meh |
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| 19:53.11 | ManuP | !symlink |
| 19:53.11 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 19:53.28 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: try Etch if you want the most recent kernel |
| 19:53.37 | yos872 | Romin: Thank you very much |
| 19:53.37 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: it supports a lot of the newer hardware |
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| 19:53.47 | nzjunky | Hello together |
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| 19:53.54 | pickcoder-wrk | I haven't had any major issues when running it |
| 19:53.59 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk and the packets are new too? |
| 19:54.11 | pickcoder-wrk | though I did find a major problem dist-upgrading from Sarge to Etch |
| 19:54.25 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: they are fairly recent.. but not current |
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| 19:55.01 | pickcoder-wrk | debugging and testing takes time |
| 19:55.05 | nzjunky | I have a question: Should the network-manager work together with the madwifi driver on etch? |
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| 19:55.48 | ajehuk | tolan - better off with a pastebin |
| 19:55.53 | n00rul | !etch |
| 19:55.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 19:56.05 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk sid crashes a lot, but have the latest packets... sarge has old packets, but is stable... and etch is in the middle? |
| 19:56.09 | n00rul | any idea when etch will be released? |
| 19:56.22 | pickcoder-wrk | Etch is a moving target at the moment |
| 19:56.30 | ManuP | how to delete a symlink? rm symlink?? |
| 19:56.32 | mc__ | n00rul: really soon now |
| 19:56.35 | pickcoder-wrk | although a freeze did happen last week, I believe |
| 19:56.40 | Azar | n00rul: when is ready, man |
| 19:56.51 | jorgp | actually freeze was announced 11 Dec |
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| 19:57.03 | pickcoder-wrk | shows how bad my memory is |
| 19:57.04 | Azar | its the newest kernel keeping it on hold |
| 19:57.13 | nzjunky | I can't get a connection with the network-manager. Getting a wifi connection via cli is working. No encryption on the wireless for test. |
| 19:57.20 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk i understood wrong or i told you correctly about the versions? |
| 19:57.22 | LightKnight | ManuP: guess so :) |
| 19:57.27 | n00rul | did anyone face problems with external hdd over usb |
| 19:57.28 | jorgp | but there is still 500+ RC-bugs, so it will be a while for etch |
| 19:57.40 | n00rul | I get frequent block nr and reset messages |
| 19:57.41 | Azar | 583 if I am correct |
| 19:57.47 | tarzeau | so many_ |
| 19:57.51 | ManuP | LightKnight, i mean, is the real file deleted when deleting the symlink?? |
| 19:57.55 | pickcoder-wrk | Thor_CMP_: Etch is your best bet if you want newer software and kernel modules |
| 19:57.59 | Azar | tarzeau! mr tarzeau, happy new year |
| 19:58.00 | jorgp | its down from 700+ on 15 Dec |
| 19:58.14 | sss111 | how csan I read what cron jobs are scheduled? |
| 19:58.14 | LightKnight | jorgp: No, those are the total RC bugs; the etch ones are ~100 |
| 19:58.25 | LightKnight | ManuP: no, just the symlink, as you asked :) |
| 19:58.43 | ManuP | LightKnight, thanks, i just wanted to be sure. |
| 19:58.47 | LightKnight | :) |
| 19:58.47 | tarzeau | Azar: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ says it's much less |
| 19:58.48 | Azar | the 2.6.19's bugs are over 500 |
| 19:59.09 | Thor_CMP_ | pickcoder-wrk how can i download etch? this version has the name "testing"? |
| 19:59.16 | sss111 | how can I read what cron jobs are scheduled????? |
| 19:59.20 | n00rul | did anyone face issues with USB HDD? |
| 19:59.31 | tarzeau | sss111: crontab -l ? |
| 19:59.37 | tarzeau | n00rul: like? |
| 19:59.40 | ajehuk | n00rul ? |
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| 20:00.01 | Quibus | hi all |
| 20:00.06 | markybob | !ask |
| 20:00.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:00.08 | jorgp | looks like 105 bugs, but some are not really software bugs.. some are license issues |
| 20:00.30 | Quibus | When my friend runs a Qt app on his GNOME desktop, it looks like a GNOME app; it uses the GNOME theme. Why doesn't that work on my box which also runs testing? |
| 20:00.36 | sss111 | tarzeau: crontab -l root gives me nothing |
| 20:00.58 | n00rul | I get frequent block not readable error |
| 20:01.17 | tarzeau | sss111: then check /etc/cron* |
| 20:01.22 | tarzeau | sss111: or the user crons? |
| 20:02.04 | Quibus | also, I get X Errors when using Qt apps: |
| 20:02.04 | markybob | or man crontab |
| 20:02.04 | Quibus | X Error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) 2 |
| 20:02.04 | sss111 | no crontab for root. I have added several cron jobs in crontab |
| 20:02.19 | markybob | sss111, man crontab. |
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| 20:03.13 | Quibus | please help |
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| 20:04.24 | n00rul | tarzeau: I get frequent I/O errors and reset |
| 20:04.27 | sss111 | markybob: here is one line in /etc/crontab "15 3 * * 1 root /usr/bin/abc123" to run monday at 3:15 am |
| 20:04.38 | n00rul | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/849747 |
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| 20:05.55 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
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| 20:06.10 | deadcat_ | when i startx -- :1 on another console |
| 20:06.10 | markybob | sss111, what's your problem? that line is fine |
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| 20:08.01 | Thor_CMP_ | the stable version has the nickname "sarge"... what is the nickname of "testing"??? etch? |
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| 20:08.57 | rahul | Thor_CMP_: yes |
| 20:09.44 | Thor_CMP_ | rahul and this version, etch, are ok to install in my notebook or is better if i install the stable? |
| 20:10.28 | rahul | Thor_CMP_: etch is almost stable. if it works for you, install it |
| 20:10.39 | RickyRay | how many dvd's is it for the full etch debian ? |
| 20:10.42 | markybob | rahul, damn you, stop trying to be helpful! they wont leave if you keep helping! |
| 20:10.43 | markybob | :) |
| 20:10.52 | abrotman | RickyRay: i believe three .. but they'll be out of date tomorrow |
| 20:10.55 | rahul | !penixstrike makrybub |
| 20:10.56 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking makrybub to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:11.04 | RickyRay | tommorow is a new release ? |
| 20:11.28 | rahul | why would you download 15,000 packages just to install maybe 1,000 of them? |
| 20:11.37 | abrotman | RickyRay: etch hasn't been released ... use the netinst of you have broadband |
| 20:11.56 | RickyRay | yes, i'm using the net inst i beleive |
| 20:12.02 | RickyRay | it asked me to choose a mirror |
| 20:12.10 | RickyRay | the progress bar has been sitting at 60% forever |
| 20:12.15 | RickyRay | i don't know if it froze or what |
| 20:12.26 | stoned | abrotman, whats up |
| 20:12.29 | Thor_CMP_ | RickyRay i have a notebook with ethernet inside... i can use netinst? |
| 20:12.32 | abrotman | stoned: hey |
| 20:12.39 | RickyRay | yes |
| 20:12.43 | rahul | Ethernet Inside (tm) |
| 20:12.43 | stoned | abrotman, did you party hard? |
| 20:12.51 | rahul | stoned: did you get stoned? :) |
| 20:12.56 | RickyRay | hehe ethernet inside |
| 20:12.59 | Thor_CMP_ | huahuauha |
| 20:13.00 | Azar | tarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html |
| 20:13.08 | stoned | I think I'm going to stop using it. I am also going to change my nickname |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | stoned: i slept .. i hiked 5-6 on saturday .. then went out for beer .. my NYE involved me giong to sleep very early :) |
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| 20:13.25 | stoned | abrotman, can I msg you |
| 20:13.31 | rahul | aww |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | sure |
| 20:13.34 | rahul | poor abrotman |
| 20:13.34 | stoned | thanks |
| 20:13.36 | abrotman | rahul: he loves me! |
| 20:13.39 | abrotman | wait .. i think |
| 20:13.43 | rahul | I think got to bed at 5 |
| 20:13.44 | Azar | wow stoned is here, and daytime! |
| 20:13.44 | rahul | heh |
| 20:13.47 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 20:13.47 | abrotman | or he's going to berate me in private :) |
| 20:13.54 | rahul | abrotman: he wants some lovin, maybe |
| 20:13.55 | Thor_CMP_ | i need to give some parameters to install 2.6 kernel in netinst etch? |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | rahul: he's got a finacie for that |
| 20:14.08 | tarzeau | Azar: they are not all relevant for the etch release |
| 20:14.11 | abrotman | fiancee |
| 20:14.12 | markybob | Thor_CMP_, you need read install doc. ya |
| 20:14.17 | Azar | Thor_CMP_: etch comes with 2.6.18 |
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| 20:14.26 | rahul | abrotman: but you're a different kind of lovin |
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| 20:14.38 | buu | How bizarre. I can't change my prompt. |
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| 20:14.51 | Thor_CMP_ | Azar by default etch cames with 2.6.18 and with xorg or i need to pass some arguments? |
| 20:14.54 | Azar | tarzeau: yes but last night i read somewhere they are working to kill over 500 bugs in 2.6.19... that gonna take some time |
| 20:15.03 | abrotman | buu: you need to hum that tune while attempting |
| 20:15.17 | Azar | Thor_CMP_: you might want to read abit about etch: what it comes with before install? |
| 20:15.32 | scx | --- How safe or unsafe would be a sudoers file like: ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 20:15.33 | scx | Of course with an: Defaults targetpw |
| 20:15.35 | scx | ? |
| 20:15.41 | buu | abrotman: Ahah! |
| 20:15.45 | Thor_CMP_ | Azar yes... where can i read abou it? i didnt find in debian site |
| 20:15.54 | Zta | I've got a trouble accessing a mounted NFS export. I can mount it, but I have not read (nor write) access to it. The server's exported dir is created with 'install -d /var/files -o 0 -g 0 -m 770' and exported from /etc/exports with a simple: /var/files *.sputnik.lan(rw,sync) On the client, my user is a member of gid 200 and mounts the export with 'mount ~/mnt/f', /etc/fstab includes: colossus.sputnik.lan:/var/files /home/stephan/mnt/f |
| 20:15.58 | tarzeau | scx: you could as well set the root passwort to root |
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| 20:16.29 | markybob | Thor_CMP_, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 20:16.35 | scx | tarzeau: I don't see what you mean srry |
| 20:16.42 | Thor_CMP_ | thank you =) |
| 20:17.04 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html << general info what's new with etch |
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| 20:19.49 | scx | nobody? |
| 20:20.00 | xingu | Zta: tried re-exporting with no_root_squash? |
| 20:20.09 | scx | !nobody |
| 20:20.09 | dpkg | hmm... nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
| 20:20.17 | scx | :) |
| 20:21.08 | tarzeau | Azar: that's nice, but i'll stay with sid |
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| 20:21.13 | Thor_CMP_ | thank you |
| 20:21.39 | Thor_CMP_ | i will install etch with netinst... thank you! =) |
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| 20:22.21 | abrotman | scx: it's a bad idea |
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| 20:22.39 | scx | it seems, but tell me exactly why |
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| 20:23.12 | Zta | xingu, doesn't help. Note the exported dir has chmod 770. If I use chmod 777 everything works, but that's not what I want. When the dir is chmod 770 and chgrp 0.200 on the server, is still has these modes when mounted. |
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| 20:23.26 | scx | if anyone executing sudo will be promted for root's passwd, where's the prob? |
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| 20:23.56 | xingu | Zta: yes, that's precisely why I suggested no_root_squash; the default is root_squash and is not going to work with owner=root,group=root,mode=770 |
| 20:23.58 | Azar | tarzeau I would not see nothing less for you :) |
| 20:24.17 | blondie | scx: sudo doesn't use root's password, it uses the user's |
| 20:24.21 | xingu | Zta: and will fail with exactly the failure mode you list for that matter |
| 20:24.28 | tarzeau | Azar: you mean why i stay with sid? |
| 20:24.46 | xingu | Zta: unmount and unexport the filesystem, add no_root_squash to the export options, reexport and remount it. |
| 20:25.03 | Azar | tarzeau: sure, since you test everything around look normal |
| 20:26.01 | scx | blondie: that's why I set "Defaults targetpw" that way the user is prompted for root's passwd insead of user's passwd |
| 20:26.02 | Zta | xingu, sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop should unexport, right? |
| 20:26.02 | blondie | scx: oh. |
| 20:26.02 | tarzeau | Azar: sid has newer/better software that i use, which etch won't ever have |
| 20:26.02 | xingu | Zta: unsure; I no longer have a linux nfs reference system |
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| 20:26.45 | Zta | xingu, /var/files *.sputnik.lan(rw,sync,no_root_squash) in /etc/exports ? |
| 20:28.21 | xingu | exactly so |
| 20:28.52 | xingu | I wouldn't trust name services at that level, but I'm grumpy and old. |
| 20:29.10 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have openvpn and shorewall but my openvpn starts after shorewall and does not bring up the tun interface and therefore shorewall fails can someone help? |
| 20:29.15 | xingu | I'd use an IP based rule - /var/files ip.ad.dr.es(opts) |
| 20:29.23 | Azar | newer is not allways better |
| 20:29.45 | ajehuk | Azar :) blasphemy... |
| 20:30.00 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:30.05 | Azar | :) call in the software proofreaders! |
| 20:30.07 | HardDisk_WP | i have got a webcam |
| 20:30.10 | tarzeau | Azar: that's right, but i do want them sometimes |
| 20:30.14 | HardDisk_WP | dmesg shows it is recognized |
| 20:30.22 | Zta | xingu, crap, still doesn't work. |
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| 20:30.36 | HardDisk_WP | how do I use it? |
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| 20:30.48 | HardDisk_WP | it is registered to video1 according to dmesg |
| 20:30.51 | xingu | Zta: are you testing as the root user on the client? |
| 20:31.53 | Azar | there is an interesting thing, since I started using debian my performance at work increased 150%.... I get to see and understand stuff that was way difficult for me way better, faster |
| 20:31.58 | Zta | xingu, nope. Btw, this is still what I've got in my client's /etc/fstab: colossus.sputnik.lan:/var/files /home/stephan/mnt/f nfs rw,noauto,user,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr,timeo=7 0 0 |
| 20:32.26 | xingu | Zta: that looks fine to my eye |
| 20:32.35 | Zta | xingu, I'm successfully mounting it as users of gid 200 with mount ~/mnt/f. But I get no r/w access |
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| 20:33.01 | samuel | sup all |
| 20:33.25 | Azar | with debian I learned reading .. I mean reading and understanding things that I read, solving complicated issues that before seemed impossible to understand |
| 20:33.28 | samuel | anyone know whats better? cpufreqd or powernowd? for intel core2duo? |
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| 20:33.51 | ajehuk | Azar - the problem is you start seeing places where using debian or *nix i n general would mke your entire company more efficient - and then its all down hill.... - no one wants to talk to you. |
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| 20:34.49 | Azar | ajehuk: you are right, I see people at work looking at me in a strange way... |
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| 20:35.13 | RickyRay | does this version support sata and raid? Debian 3.1r4 |
| 20:35.13 | Azar | I got to understand and solve issues they can't |
| 20:35.33 | Azar | RickyRay: that is the stable (Sarge) version |
| 20:35.49 | ajehuk | Azar - hey I converted a few things to debian last time I was employed (rather than self employed) that ended with the company hiring a cheaper (and younger!) linux admin and me being religated to a management post.... |
| 20:35.52 | Azar | RickyRay: it uses 2.6.8 and I don't think it supports sata, go for 4.0 Etch |
| 20:36.15 | RickyRay | k |
| 20:36.39 | peterS | sure 2.6.8 supports sata. just not _all_ sata. it is a couple years old now, a lot of new sata chipsets are not supported, or not very _well_ supported |
| 20:36.56 | Azar | ajehuk: first thing I learned the first day I was hired: companies don't want to hire overskilled people: they want fresh meat with low pay raised by the company with a 3% annual salary increase |
| 20:37.01 | RickyRay | url for etch pls |
| 20:37.12 | peterS | !topicsmite RickyRay |
| 20:37.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon RickyRay. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:37.28 | Azar | RickyRay: ok holdon |
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| 20:37.37 | RickyRay | k |
| 20:37.38 | RickyRay | sry |
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| 20:38.11 | peterS | !topicsmite Azar as well |
| 20:38.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Azar as well. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:38.21 | raf256 | !smitesmite peterS |
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| 20:38.54 | Azar | hi peterS! :) |
| 20:38.56 | peterS | uh, huh-huh-huh. she said 'rod'. heh-heh. |
| 20:39.27 | Azar | huh? |
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| 20:39.36 | peterS | the bot did |
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| 20:39.55 | Azar | I tought it should come in private sorry |
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| 20:40.17 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 20:40.22 | deadcat_ | when i startx -- :1 on another console |
| 20:40.28 | peterS | hey there abeertman |
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| 20:40.39 | tarzeau | abortmen |
| 20:40.49 | Zta | xingu, got any more suggestions? =) |
| 20:41.00 | RickyRay | debian testing doesn't have a netinst? |
| 20:41.03 | xingu | Zta: just bootstrapping a test server here |
| 20:41.14 | Zta | xingu, thanks! |
| 20:41.16 | tarzeau | peterS: he doesn't want to be my yahoo 360 friend! |
| 20:41.17 | peterS | RickyRay: did you read the topic? the last url? |
| 20:41.27 | RickyRay | i'm on that page now, yes |
| 20:41.43 | RickyRay | Or install the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release: |
| 20:41.51 | RickyRay | but only cd/dvd sets under that section |
| 20:41.51 | Azar | so ajehuk, what choice I had: got a mediorcre job with a mediocre pay... sat on it and watch it grow. :) |
| 20:42.20 | ajehuk | azar - I decided to start my own company - much more fun |
| 20:42.29 | peterS | RickyRay: eh? i386 netinst is linked straight from there, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:42.34 | Zta | xingu, my client us running debian, and my server ubuntu, but they both use rather new versions of nfs tools and run linux 2.6.x, so I suspect not trouble there. |
| 20:42.35 | peterS | RickyRay: other architectures as well |
| 20:42.46 | Azar | ajehuk: bah, I love my time off/vacations to fulfill my hobbies. |
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| 20:43.24 | RickyRay | ohhh, that whole page is about the debian testing. i thought the top part was sarge |
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| 20:43.42 | ajehuk | Azar - me too - and I have more time now :) |
| 20:43.48 | peterS | no no, the top part tells you if you want sarge you have to go elsewhere (: |
| 20:44.14 | pickcoder-wrk | hrm.. apache2 croaked over the weekend |
| 20:44.29 | xingu | Zta: something odd is going on, I don't have a second linux client to test with, but get the expected result from... |
| 20:44.32 | Azar | new year.. new apache? |
| 20:44.33 | RickyRay | thats what i thought originally, then somehow i got confused |
| 20:44.34 | pickcoder-wrk | has anyone seen ssl errors regarding an inability to read the certificate? |
| 20:44.46 | xingu | Zta: /export/dummyfs ip.ad.dr.es(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
| 20:44.52 | pickcoder-wrk | this is the second time it's done that on an idle box |
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| 20:45.05 | xingu | Zta: drwxrwx--- 2 root root 4096 2007-01-02 20:43 /export/dummyfs |
| 20:45.05 | rysiek|pl | hi al |
| 20:45.16 | xingu | Zta: client is sol10_sun4u |
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| 20:46.08 | Azar | RickyRay: on this page under the installation links there are some overviews and installation howto, maybe you want to look at them before installing? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:46.08 | ajehuk | hi rysiek|pl |
| 20:46.13 | rysiek|pl | anybody uses dm-crypt and LUKS? I am having a problem with cryptsetup-luks built from source, when I try to create an encrypted partition, I get: "Command failed: No setup backend available" |
| 20:46.16 | Zta | xingu, chown 0.0? But I use chown 0.200, and want to give users of group id 200 access to this dir. The user on my client is member of gid 200. |
| 20:46.22 | RickyRay | thanks |
| 20:46.30 | xingu | Zta: so not sure what's going on for you; ok will try with a real group, 2s. |
| 20:47.52 | xingu | Zta: again with gid=10 works as expected |
| 20:47.59 | xingu | Zta: ... for a user with primary group=10 |
| 20:48.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: for you http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/29598225/4369175 |
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| 20:48.34 | Zta | primary. What about secondary? =) That's what I'm trying to. |
| 20:48.50 | xingu | oh dear god, would you like a partridge in that pear tree? :) |
| 20:48.54 | Azar | :( rip socket 939. they are all gone |
| 20:49.13 | pickcoder-wrk | ? |
| 20:49.27 | Azar | dual craps took over |
| 20:49.45 | Zta | Maybe that's the problem? Though ls -ldn ./f on the mounted dir, shows that I should have all the access I need. |
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| 20:50.28 | xingu | Zta: works for secondary group, again as expected. |
| 20:50.55 | xingu | Zta: creates file for user=foo,group=prigroup when dir has group=secgroup and g+w perm. |
| 20:51.08 | Zta | xingu, Ok, just for the hell of it, I'm exporting directly to the expected IP-address with: /var/files 10.0.0.3(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
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| 20:51.28 | RickyRay | is there a documentation manual specific for the net inst? |
| 20:51.33 | pyxel | Hello!, can do someone time apt-get install apache2 and post me on query these banchmark results with their pc configuration? it can help me well... thanks you in advance! :) |
| 20:51.37 | Zta | However, exportfs -v shows some extra modes -- are their default values causing trouble? /var/files 10.0.0.3(rw,wdelay,no_root_squash,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534) |
| 20:52.07 | xingu | Zta: I have those also |
| 20:52.14 | xingu | Zta: so... no. :) |
| 20:52.16 | pickcoder-wrk | 939's are still available |
| 20:52.26 | Zta | xingu, how are you mounting the export on the client? |
| 20:52.31 | ajehuk | pyxel - sure - you just want a time? |
| 20:52.42 | xingu | Zta: /etc/exports += line pasted prior, exportfs -a |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:52.52 | xingu | Zta: food time here, good luck. |
| 20:53.03 | pyxel | ajehuk: yes please and your pc configuration, debian release, cpu, ram.. :) |
| 20:53.04 | Zta | xingu, thanks |
| 20:53.08 | Zta | bedtime here soon |
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| 20:53.56 | goon | hi guys, does anyone knows a channel about QoS or could give me some tips? |
| 20:54.08 | asg | goon: #iptables, #networking |
| 20:55.33 | goon | asg: thanks |
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| 20:57.08 | Azar | RickyRay: hahahaha |
| 20:57.15 | rysiek|pl | well, anybody any ideas on the cryptsetup issue? |
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| 20:58.11 | ajehuk | pyxel - 54 seconds from starat to finish on a dell lattitude laptop PIII 500 with 378Mb Ram and 512Mb Swap on debian testing (2.6.17-2-686) |
| 20:58.43 | Azar | ajehuk: base install, right? |
| 20:58.44 | jelly-home | Hi, is there a version of cp which can be bandwidth limited? |
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| 20:59.28 | Azar | :) |
| 20:59.28 | ajehuk | Azar - not quite... |
| 20:59.29 | cast | jelly-home: could use tar and cstream |
| 20:59.35 | pyxel | ajehuk: thanks a lot |
| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | cast: cstream looks like it'll do the job. Thanks! |
| 21:01.00 | Zta | xingu, if I chgrp the export with my primary gid, it I get r/w access to the mount point. Very weird. |
| 21:01.24 | ajehuk | Azar - where you laughing at my meagre hardware specs per chance? |
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| 21:02.07 | Mooi | Hello, how do I disable execution of files using .htaccess in apache2? I want to do it from parent directory as I want to simlpy give FTP access without any HTTP execution permissions |
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| 21:02.50 | jelly-home | ajehuk: How did you put in 378MB of RAM anyway? Is it actually 384 (256+128)? |
| 21:03.19 | ajehuk | jelly-home - 1x faulty stick |
| 21:04.00 | RickyRay | how long does it take to scan the mirror when doing a fresh debian netinst? |
| 21:04.07 | jelly-home | ajehuk: ah, you're using that badram stuff? So it really works? |
| 21:04.17 | cast | Mooi: is #apache a living channel? |
| 21:04.37 | Mooi | cast: I don't think so |
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| 21:05.13 | Mooi | oh well, thanks anyway |
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| 21:05.20 | pickcoder-wrk | Mooi: .. |
| 21:05.21 | pickcoder-wrk | gah |
| 21:06.27 | ajehuk | jelly-home - im not using the patch - but debian seems to be handling it OK - although I assume that its the bios intervening, I know that debian handles bad ram very well (i.e. doesnt like it as opposed to windows allowing it and breaking sporadically) |
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| 21:08.23 | ManuP | is there a script which is ALWAYS executed when pc reboots or shutdowns? |
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| 21:08.51 | ajehuk | jelly-home - the bios also reports 378Mb RAM, and I havent got another laptop that takes this type of memory. now if I could get debian running on my Apple laptop I would be happy - but, alas that will never happen |
| 21:08.56 | rysiek|pl | well, anybody any ideas on the cryptsetup issue? |
| 21:09.53 | gentgeen__ | Sometime over xmas break, I did an apt-get upgrade on my Stable box -- then later unplugged & moved it (also during the break)... not IMAP over SSL is broken ... any help |
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| 21:10.02 | gentgeen__ | I have not been able to figure it out yet |
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| 21:10.40 | ManuP | this is my last question for today ^^ pls: is there a script which is ALWAYS executed when pc reboots or shutdowns? |
| 21:10.57 | ChrisW | anyone know what debian package support for anydbm is in? |
| 21:11.27 | lindenle | !search anydbm |
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| 21:11.49 | abrotman | lindenle: !find ? |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | ManuP: /msg dpkg run at startup |
| 21:12.04 | lindenle | arotamn: thx |
| 21:12.18 | lindenle | !find anydbm |
| 21:12.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'anydbm' (5 of 11): (/usr/lib/python2.5/anydbm.py) in python/python2.5 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.4/anydbm.py) in python/python2.4 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/anydbm.py) in python/python2.3 ;; (/usr/share/jython/Lib-cpython/anydbm.py) in python/jython ;; (/usr/share/doc/anydbm-doc/anydbm.haddock) in doc/anydbm-doc. |
| 21:12.41 | ManuP | abrotman, but at system reboot and shutdown?! |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | ManuP: make your own init script |
| 21:13.00 | abrotman | ManuP: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example |
| 21:13.08 | ManuP | how? no easier way? |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | then use update-rc.d to make it run when you want it to |
| 21:13.21 | ChrisW | well, it's not really anydbm I'm afdter, I'm looking to avoid the error you get from it |
| 21:13.25 | ManuP | abrotman, and for shutdown? |
| 21:13.42 | ChrisW | ERROR: your installation of Python does not contain a suitable DBM module -- cvs2svn cannot continue. |
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| 21:15.28 | Al-Daja | how do i install debian from the HD |
| 21:15.51 | jelly-home | ManuP: read the manual for init(8) and the file mentioned in that factoid abrotman told you about, that ought to be enough. init(8) will show you which runlevels are used for reboot and shutdown (halt). |
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| 21:16.13 | ManuP | okay |
| 21:16.14 | Al-Daja | how do i install debian from the HD? |
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| 21:16.41 | ajehuk | Al-Daja - how do you mean? |
| 21:16.47 | ManuP | Al- |
| 21:16.57 | pumpkin0 | Al-Daja: get the netinstall CD and google about installing from USB-stick. The principe is the same. |
| 21:17.02 | ManuP | Al-Daja, set a symlink to the direcory after booting from cd |
| 21:17.02 | RickyRay | if i choose to install web server during debian install, does apache get installed? |
| 21:17.19 | Al-Daja | no i download it in iso file |
| 21:17.26 | Al-Daja | now i want to install it |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:17.32 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 21:17.35 | pumpkin0 | RichiH: yes. |
| 21:17.41 | ajehuk | Al-Daja - you need to burn it to a CD or unpack it somewhere |
| 21:17.46 | MustangMatt | pumpkin0: I could never get installing from a usb drive working. |
| 21:18.13 | pumpkin0 | MustangMatt: it only works from bootable USB-sticks and with USB-bootable BIOSes. |
| 21:18.18 | Al-Daja | ajehuk already did |
| 21:18.36 | ajehuk | Al-Daja - so you have a CD now? |
| 21:18.43 | Al-Daja | no |
| 21:18.43 | MustangMatt | pumpkin0: I have both. Well I take it back, I could get into grub from usb but never actually boot the kernel beyond that. |
| 21:18.54 | Al-Daja | i have in hard drive ajehuk |
| 21:19.10 | ajehuk | Al-Daja - you have the ISO on your hard drive? |
| 21:19.14 | RickyRay | is it ok to install linux first, then windows xp second? |
| 21:19.18 | pumpkin0 | Al-Daja: give us the linuk where you downloaded that iso from ? |
| 21:19.30 | Al-Daja | yep ajehuk i already unpacked it |
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| 21:19.37 | pumpkin0 | RickyRay: that kills the bootloader, it is better to go the other way round. |
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| 21:20.02 | Al-Daja | but now i want to install it ajehuk but autorun doesn't seem to work has i expected |
| 21:20.14 | RickyRay | ahh ok |
| 21:20.23 | pumpkin0 | RickyRay: always install the stupider OS first. windows 9X, then windows 2k/XP, then debian. |
| 21:20.54 | abrotman | where does OS/2 fit in there ? |
| 21:21.21 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: no idea, how good is OS/2 at bootloading another OS ? |
| 21:21.22 | RickyRay | ahh, ok. debian didn't ask me to setup a raid during install. it jus detected two drives dev/a and dev/b |
| 21:21.39 | RickyRay | it is the testing version |
| 21:21.47 | pumpkin0 | RickyRay: hardware or software RAId ? |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | pumpkin0: TBH .. not sure it can .. we should ask asg! |
| 21:22.37 | RickyRay | well, i do have the hardware |
| 21:22.42 | h3sp4wn | I thought os2 had a proper boatloader that was pretty decent |
| 21:22.45 | RickyRay | the onboard raid controller (nvraid) |
| 21:22.49 | RickyRay | nvidia |
| 21:23.12 | h3sp4wn | more intelligent than the windows one anyway |
| 21:23.14 | pickcoder | RickyRay: If I'm not mistaken, you have to specify "expert" or "expertgui" install to setup software RAID |
| 21:23.16 | pumpkin0 | RickyRay: that is a pseudo-RAID thingy. Go partition based software RAID. |
| 21:23.20 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: honestly .. do you think anyone really remembers? :) |
| 21:23.40 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I half remember |
| 21:23.52 | RickyRay | how do i specify expert? |
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| 21:24.17 | pickcoder | RickyRay: choose the help option at boot time to see a list of things you can do |
| 21:24.27 | abrotman | there's a key you can hit when you start the installer to give you options |
| 21:24.27 | pickcoder | boot time for the install CD |
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| 21:24.41 | ManuP | jelly-home, i only have the german version of man init. from it, i dont get the information which i need. i know, that runlevel 0 and 6 are important for me. but what now? |
| 21:25.48 | pickcoder | update-rc.d |
| 21:26.02 | pickcoder | once you put the script in /etc/init.d |
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| 21:27.03 | ManuP | are all files in /etc/init.d executed at startup / shutdown? |
| 21:27.19 | pickcoder | update-rc.d myscript stop 99 0 6 |
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| 21:27.38 | pickcoder | of course, there's always the manpage for update-rc.d |
| 21:28.17 | pickcoder | init.d is a script pool for /etc/rcX.d |
| 21:28.22 | pickcoder | and for manual stop/starting |
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| 21:28.47 | ManuP | and what does stop 99 0 6 mean? is 0 6 the runlevel? |
| 21:29.03 | pickcoder | run update-rc.d and see |
| 21:29.06 | pickcoder | or view the man page |
| 21:29.08 | abrotman | man update-rc.d |
| 21:29.21 | abrotman | !fishing |
| 21:29.21 | dpkg | methinks fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
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| 21:29.29 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 21:32.35 | ManuP | If defaults is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the service in runlevels 2345 and to stop the service in runlevels 016 - cool i dont have to give parameters 99 06. |
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| 21:34.54 | pickcoder | you do you only want to stop something |
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| 21:35.06 | pickcoder | !you do if |
| 21:36.10 | pickcoder | though you can always comment out the commands in the "start" clause |
| 21:36.23 | pickcoder | it'll show in boot-up but won't actually do anything |
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| 21:39.43 | ManuP | i dont understand what to write in vars NAME ,DAEMON, DAEMON_ARGS, PIDFILE and SCRIPTNAME - and please dont tell me that the names say what they require... do i need to set them? |
| 21:42.12 | ManuP | i just want "modprobe -r psmouse" to be runned at init 0 6, why is that so complicated?! |
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| 21:42.13 | pickcoder | ManuP: you want to probe for the mouse at shutdown? |
| 21:42.13 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: why do you need to remove the module then? |
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| 21:42.59 | ManuP | because of an error in bios. if i dont unload the mouse, next startup (at bios) takes appr. 50 secs. instead of normal 10 sec. |
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| 21:43.21 | dondelelcaro | that makes no sense, but ok... |
| 21:43.40 | pickcoder | you don't want the skeleton then.. that's for services |
| 21:43.56 | ManuP | search google for hp nx6325 and youll see. |
| 21:44.19 | ManuP | the problem is, i guess, that i dont know what i want. |
| 21:44.46 | ManuP | i'd like to have the command "modprobe -r psmouse" executed every halt/reboot. |
| 21:45.26 | pickcoder | ManuP: just create a bash script and set it up manually with update-rc.d |
| 21:45.59 | phated | Surely when it's -halted-, modules are sort of /irrelevant/? |
| 21:46.24 | ManuP | bashscript is okay, i can write this. after that, i place the script in /sbin ? or which dir?? |
| 21:46.39 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:47.10 | ManuP | okay. |
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| 21:47.18 | faLUCE | another question: my pc is connected to a switch and I have ipmasq installed. if I launch ipmasq, can I connect another pc to the same switch and use the first pc as a gateway? |
| 21:47.22 | faLUCE | (hi all) |
| 21:47.37 | pickcoder | update-rc.d myscriptname stop 99 0 1 6 |
| 21:47.50 | pickcoder | then look in /etc/rc0.d/ for K99myscriptname |
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| 21:47.57 | ManuP | and then i run update-rc.d my_script? or update-rc.d ... okay, you just told me pickcoder |
| 21:48.14 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: you don't want a full on init script then; you just want a small stub that only removes the module. |
| 21:48.23 | outlaw84 | what raid should you be running if you want the most redundancy? |
| 21:48.30 | ManuP | dondelelcaro, exactly |
| 21:48.31 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: 1 |
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| 21:48.52 | outlaw84 | what software is recommended for that? |
| 21:49.12 | Moofius | Hello, why cant I change the number of pixels on my screen |
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| 21:49.25 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: either get a hardware raid card or use the software raid in the kernel |
| 21:49.29 | Moofius | I choose 800*600 and press ok, but nothing happenes |
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| 21:50.08 | outlaw84 | dondelelcaro: oh okey so there is software raid in the kernel and no external app is needed? |
| 21:50.16 | Moofius | oh, sorry, ubuntu it was |
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| 21:50.33 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: the external application is mdadm which you use to set it up, but it isn't needed after you've configured it. |
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| 21:50.40 | pickcoder | outlaw84: if you can afford a supported hardware controller, it's much less headache to use |
| 21:50.56 | pickcoder | the array just looks like a single drive |
| 21:51.20 | pickcoder | just don't buy a 3ware 8006-2lp |
| 21:51.39 | pickcoder | they've been going screwy left and right |
| 21:51.50 | ManuP | pickcoder, it doesnt work. |
| 21:52.29 | pickcoder | ManuP: I need more information than "it doesn't work" |
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| 21:52.57 | ManuP | in a second |
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| 21:53.32 | tulan | hello, i get pivot_root: no such file when i boot... any ideea of what coudl be the problem ? |
| 21:53.57 | ManuP | pickcoder, http://pastebin.ca/301609 |
| 21:54.22 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:54.28 | pickcoder | I didn't know start for a forced option |
| 21:54.32 | pickcoder | s/for/was |
| 21:55.37 | pickcoder | forget update-rc.d |
| 21:55.37 | ManuP | ? |
| 21:55.37 | ManuP | okay |
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| 21:55.39 | Spork_Boy | I just compiled & installed gnusticker, and I can't seem to add it to my panel. it's telling me "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_GNUsTicker". |
| 21:55.39 | Spork_Boy | Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_13/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false" how do I fix this? |
| 21:55.50 | pickcoder | ln -s /etc/init.d/myscript /etc/rc0.d/K99myscript |
| 21:55.58 | pickcoder | do that for rc1.d and also rc6.d |
| 21:56.18 | pumpkin0 | Spork_Boy: why did you compile ? |
| 21:56.43 | Spork_Boy | pumpkin0: couldn't find a deb or even evidence of its existance |
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| 21:57.25 | ManuP | pickcoder, okay, i created the symlinks. |
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| 21:57.55 | pickcoder | Spork_Boy: apt-get install gnome-applets |
| 21:58.12 | pickcoder | Spork_Boy: apt-cache show gnome-applets (if you want to see what you get) |
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| 21:58.30 | ManuP | pickcoder, can i now reboot and try? |
| 21:58.32 | pickcoder | ManuP: you should have a K99 symlink in each |
| 21:58.34 | Spork_Boy | pumpkin0: gnome-applets is already the newest version. |
| 21:58.39 | ManuP | yeah, i have |
| 21:58.43 | pickcoder | ManuP: run the bash script to make sure it works |
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| 21:59.14 | pickcoder | ManuP: you may want to put an echo statement in the bash script so you can see when the mouse module is removed |
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| 22:00.16 | pickcoder | Spork_Boy: the news ticker isn't available to add to your toolbar? |
| 22:00.16 | ManuP | pickcoder, this is a good idea. |
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| 22:01.07 | Spork_Boy | pickcoder: not until I compiled and make install'd it. |
| 22:01.17 | pickcoder | it's in gnome-applets |
| 22:01.26 | pickcoder | I've seen it myself, but I haven't activated it |
| 22:01.35 | pickcoder | maybe it's a different one |
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| 22:02.18 | Spork_Boy | pickcoder: there's a stock ticker, but not gnusticker |
| 22:02.28 | pickcoder | oh ok |
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| 22:04.20 | Spork_Boy | Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_13/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false |
| 22:04.47 | Spork_Boy | gives me that same error every time, just with adifferent number after applet_ |
| 22:04.55 | IIvens | What's the command to start a ./script in background? I tried './script &', but it doesn't works. |
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| 22:05.33 | pickcoder | & sets background process.. so if it's stopping then your script is stopping |
| 22:05.47 | ManuP | pickcoder, thank you very much for your patience. |
| 22:06.11 | pumpkin0 | IIvens: and the stdin and stdout are different for a &'ed process. that stops some scripts too. |
| 22:06.18 | cydork | IIvens: what do you mean by it doesn't work? |
| 22:06.24 | IIvens | I mean... |
| 22:06.28 | IIvens | The script works |
| 22:06.31 | IIvens | but not in the background |
| 22:06.36 | IIvens | when I use ./script & |
| 22:07.00 | cydork | IIvens: coz it continues to print something in the console? |
| 22:07.19 | pumpkin0 | IIvens: "nohup ./script &" |
| 22:07.21 | cydork | IIvens: well if you dont want that output use ./script >/dev/null & |
| 22:07.21 | IIvens | you mean ..an error? |
| 22:07.33 | IIvens | i'll try both |
| 22:08.46 | cydork | IIvens: also read "man nohup ' |
| 22:08.49 | sussudio | -|- Nik Kershaw - Nobody Knows (Extended Mix) ( 160kbit mp3 07:22 Genre: Pop Year: 1986 Album: Nobody Knows 12 Inch Single ) -|- |
| 22:08.53 | pumpkin0 | IIvens: not at the same time, please. and nohup'ed stuff does not exit you logout. You have to kill it yourself. |
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| 22:09.31 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: not playing su-su-sudio? |
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| 22:09.52 | IIvens | what you're saying is that, nohup will make the script running even if I close SSH? |
| 22:09.58 | IIvens | pumpkin0 |
| 22:10.00 | cydork | IIvens: yes |
| 22:10.02 | pumpkin0 | IIvens: yup. |
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| 22:10.35 | pickcoder | you can also use start-stop-daemon to keep track of the pid |
| 22:10.45 | IIvens | ok |
| 22:10.45 | cydork | sussudio: hey why does debstats have 2 days reporting period? |
| 22:10.55 | IIvens | it worked... thanks pumpkin0, cydork |
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| 22:11.05 | robin_sz | bah, icedove is using like 160mb .. thats crazy |
| 22:11.20 | robin_sz | its got less than 10K messages inthe folders too |
| 22:11.24 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: are you sure that is all icedove ? |
| 22:11.25 | pickcoder | hungry hungry hippo |
| 22:11.33 | gentgeen__ | Mutt is now giving me "gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received" and I have no clue why |
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| 22:12.04 | cydork | robin_sz: there is some config string in about:config which you can change to make it use less memory, i dont remember exact string |
| 22:12.24 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, mmm , think so 23869 robin 15 0 161m 41m 14m S 0.0 16.6 5:24.22 icedove-bin |
| 22:12.57 | robin_sz | 161 virt, 41 res, 14 shared |
| 22:12.59 | peteweez | Any time I use gs or gsview to view a ps or eps file, it throws an error. It does fine with pdf. Help? |
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| 22:13.46 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: read a bit about those sizes... but it is from the makers of firefox so i guess 150MB RAM is OK ... |
| 22:13.59 | robin_sz | boggle |
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| 22:14.34 | cahoot_ | robin_sz: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=354828&sid=95aec972dd93f6a8c045079df9f61026#bfcache |
| 22:14.36 | robin_sz | I found a 225mb firefor process on a doze box this morning, so nothing suprises me anymore |
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| 22:17.13 | Azar | robin_sz: I guess all extras you guys bloat the icedove or firefox with gets it big. I currently use firefox with no plugins whatsoever, just the simple naked browser |
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| 22:18.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: close a few tabs eh ? |
| 22:18.35 | robin_sz | likewise |
| 22:18.46 | Azar | now I am curious: how do I find how much mb is firefox taking on my system? |
| 22:19.15 | abrotman | you don't want to know |
| 22:19.38 | robin_sz | actually, you can close the entire thing apart form say the "downloads" window and the size remains pretty constant |
| 22:19.49 | Azar | :) really, my entire system with all apps take less than 4% out of my entire HD |
| 22:19.49 | robin_sz | Azar, linux? |
| 22:19.56 | Azar | robin_sz: yes debian |
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| 22:20.08 | robin_sz | Azar, $top trhen shift-m |
| 22:20.26 | robin_sz | sorts processes by size |
| 22:20.47 | robin_sz | or shift-p to sort by processor useage |
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| 22:22.01 | robin_sz | we are talking about system memory, ram etc NOT diskspace ... |
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| 22:22.14 | Azar | size in memory or how much takes of HD? |
| 22:22.31 | robin_sz | we are talking about system memory, ram etc NOT diskspace ... |
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| 22:23.09 | robin_sz | you found that now OK? |
| 22:23.14 | jbinder | http://www.youtube.com/stream?s=46989313 |
| 22:23.19 | jbinder | omg look... youtube chat |
| 22:23.24 | jbinder | http://www.youtube.com/stream?s=46989313 |
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| 22:23.34 | roue | hola |
| 22:23.43 | Azar | 27m 4.5% |
| 22:24.21 | Azar | 27mb? |
| 22:24.30 | roue | I've just installed etch rc-1 on my thinkpad. Got everything working (madwifi and fglrx were a bit tricky). Looks terrific. nmap'd the box and see famd listening. Why do I need that? do I? thanks. |
| 22:25.12 | pumpkin0 | roue: no you can remove fam if you like. |
| 22:25.22 | roue | what uses it? |
| 22:25.24 | Azar | 14208 macondo 16 0 67612 22m 27m S 0.0 4.5 0:01.01 firefox-bin |
| 22:25.49 | Azar | robin_sz: how does it look? |
| 22:25.54 | pumpkin0 | roue: fam is the "file alternation monitor". It tells progs if files have changed. Most progs run just fine w/o. |
| 22:25.56 | robin_sz | NICE AND SMALL |
| 22:25.59 | robin_sz | oops |
| 22:26.10 | roue | okay. thanks. |
| 22:26.12 | Azar | :) just base installation no fluflus on it |
| 22:26.13 | deadcat_ | if a computer has 1 pci slot, what should a better choice of card? usb2.0 pci card, sound card, or a wireless card? (i can use usb wireless card on the current 1.1 usb port, but usb driver is not hostap or one of those) |
| 22:26.30 | robin_sz | Azar, mine is that sisze .. initially |
| 22:26.39 | pumpkin0 | deadcat_: IMHO: USB2.0 controller. |
| 22:26.42 | robin_sz | Azar, memory leaks like a really leaky thing |
| 22:26.50 | pickcoder | deadcat_: no other choices? |
| 22:26.52 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:27.45 | Azar | well you guys install and use lots of other apps, plugins and stuff to watch movies , listen music, and do other strange stuff online.. |
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| 22:27.58 | deadcat_ | pickcoder: nope.. usb2.0 card because i have a usb2 hub. pci wireless because i can use it for scanning, sound card because i might use it for a music box. |
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| 22:28.55 | Azar | robin_sz: long ago I was reading an article, sorry I do not remember correctly but was about swap stuff and leaking memory.. |
| 22:29.17 | Azar | htop tho is nicer :) yay!! |
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| 22:29.53 | pickcoder | deadcat_: I'd think you'd have better luck with an internal wireless card than a USB one |
| 22:30.15 | pickcoder | deadcat_: but the usb2.0 hub would definately have more benefits |
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| 22:31.40 | deadcat_ | pickcoder: ya.. damn.. only if the machine comes with built-in usb2. )= |
| 22:32.41 | pickcoder | deadcat_: rip it out and plug in a PCI daughter extension |
| 22:32.46 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:34.43 | pickcoder | you know.. you could plug in a CardBus adapter and get a PCI extension box |
| 22:34.48 | pickcoder | though a new PC may be cheaper |
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| 22:35.56 | deadcat_ | pickcoder: its a cobalt qube3 |
| 22:36.28 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:36.55 | pickcoder | wonder if you can get a PCI based expansion box |
| 22:37.23 | pickcoder | yup |
| 22:37.25 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: you can. It is costy and a bit buggy, but possible. |
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| 22:37.54 | pickcoder | 7-slot for around 1600 |
| 22:38.12 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: and new PC for around 1000 ... |
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| 22:38.44 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: or even better a new board + box for 200. |
| 22:38.55 | deadcat_ | if i leave a usb wireless card on my computer 24/7 for a LONG time, will it overheat the card? |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | anything is possible ? |
| 22:39.32 | pumpkin0 | deadcat_: not if the card so good. (and you enabled the powermanagment mode in iwconfig) |
| 22:39.42 | pumpkin0 | s/so/is |
| 22:39.44 | nvz | deadcat_: I think if that notebook gets hot enough to melt a pcmcia card, thats the least of your worries |
| 22:39.46 | deadcat_ | pumpkin0: ah |
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| 22:40.34 | iturk | hi there anyone knows how to play freeciv online ?? i am still trying to enter some game which commands should i do ?? |
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| 22:40.58 | pickcoder | it melted a PC card? |
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| 22:41.28 | nvz | pickcoder: I am saying if heat can ruin the network card that laptop is already in trouble |
| 22:41.49 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: that's nothing, you get burning notebook if you use sony-batteries... |
| 22:42.05 | pickcoder | pumpkin0: or early inspiron from dell |
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| 22:42.39 | pumpkin0 | nvz: he has a mini/nano-ATX with just one PCI-slot free. With a USB-controller he could get WLAN and other stuff... |
| 22:43.56 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 22:44.27 | pickcoder | I guess the rope didn't hold |
| 22:44.27 | nvz | heh |
| 22:44.27 | Guerin | more gaffer tape! |
| 22:44.29 | nvz | I am trying to figure out why sawfish would not give me a matched window dimension I want |
| 22:44.30 | Azar | hi nvz :) |
| 22:44.33 | nvz | its like 5 pixels off |
| 22:44.38 | nvz | hello |
| 22:44.55 | Azar | nvz I found a new nice app: htop! :) |
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| 22:45.01 | nvz | yeah |
| 22:45.07 | nvz | I've had htop for ages now |
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| 22:45.38 | Azar | you geek you got 'em all |
| 22:46.10 | Azar | I am allways the last to find them |
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| 22:46.40 | Azar | well hell my X screen rocks, who needs a desktop |
| 22:46.41 | nvz | yeah well I want to place certain windows specifically I got them on interactive placement, and I want them to be like fullscreen 1/3 screen..etc and I am putting in the exact dimensions and when I place the window its off |
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| 22:47.45 | nvz | like for 340x768 size I get 345x766 or something |
| 22:48.08 | pickcoder | nvz: fading/shadowing? |
| 22:48.16 | pumpkin0 | nvz: the decorations round the window ? |
| 22:48.17 | nvz | I shouldnt be anything like that |
| 22:48.45 | nvz | I have it set to ignore program position, and ignore the window, never focus, cycle/task/window skip.. blah blah blah |
| 22:49.02 | nvz | and let me place them interactivly |
| 22:49.33 | nvz | great my keyboard is dying :P |
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| 22:50.03 | nvz | there is no decor on the windows at all |
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| 22:51.10 | nvz | Azar: just make a gdm theme, and a cusom xsession in your homedir |
| 22:51.39 | Azar | nvz wouldn't THAT be impressive for first time Debian users? |
| 22:51.46 | Azar | they'd be like wow man.. that rocks |
| 22:51.56 | pickcoder | Azar: that'd be confusing as heck for newbies |
| 22:51.58 | nvz | I am gonna try setting the positions off some and see if I can somehow get the position I want :P |
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| 22:52.09 | Azar | confusing, dazzling and exciting |
| 22:52.25 | pickcoder | it would also severly bloat the install |
| 22:52.33 | pickcoder | severely even |
| 22:52.38 | Azar | heck a short animation with a greeting? |
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| 22:52.53 | pickcoder | you want KDE _and_ Gnome? <g> |
| 22:53.26 | Azar | I was speaking about the intro screen, ofcourse I will never use neither desktop... I allways go for naked X |
| 22:53.41 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 22:53.57 | pickcoder | I use both, but not on the same machine |
| 22:54.21 | Azar | pickcoder: I do not see the need, I was been waiting looong for an OS without desktop |
| 22:54.39 | Azar | my little openbox fulfills all my needs in X |
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| 22:55.31 | nvz | well 332x760 somehow gives me windows at 1/3 my screen with the dimensions 340x768 |
| 22:55.59 | nvz | this is going to make figuring out all the sizes I want a bit random |
| 22:56.02 | pickcoder | nvz: what res? |
| 22:56.05 | pickcoder | and depth |
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| 22:57.20 | nvz | pickcoder: 1024x768 24 |
| 22:57.59 | nvz | I just dont know why matched windows isnt making the windows the exact size I specify |
| 22:58.05 | pickcoder | 341.3 is 1/3 so I guess it's rounding down to the nearest whole pixel |
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| 22:58.19 | pickcoder | but that would be 341 |
| 22:58.47 | nvz | pickcoder: I am telling it I want them 340x768 and its making them something different.. I tell it 332x760 and it gives me 340x768 |
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| 23:00.03 | nvz | I want other sizes like 2/3 width and 1/2 height and stuff but I would like sawfish to just trust me on my dimensions |
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| 23:01.14 | enigma | wow how i ove xchat |
| 23:01.34 | nvz | thats sad |
| 23:01.47 | nvz | if I were you I'd keep it do myself |
| 23:02.05 | enigma | x????????????)?? |
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| 23:02.08 | RvGaTe | have you talked with your parents about it ? |
| 23:02.27 | enigma | x????????????)?? |
| 23:02.28 | enigma | x????????????)?? |
| 23:02.33 | Ronin | yes we see you enigma |
| 23:02.45 | enigma | i love you |
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| 23:02.54 | sussudio | i hate you. |
| 23:02.59 | nvz | heh |
| 23:03.01 | RvGaTe | i ignore you |
| 23:03.15 | sussudio | you smell of farts, enigma. |
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| 23:03.19 | enigma | thank you |
| 23:03.23 | enigma | jew |
| 23:03.27 | tolan | hello, i get an pivot_root: no such file and then kernel panic at boot time... google dosen't give a good solution..is there anyoen that can help me with this ? |
| 23:03.28 | sussudio | k. |
| 23:03.28 | nvz | kudos to ignorance and flatulance |
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| 23:03.39 | jbinder | http://www.youtube.com/stream?s=47120385 |
| 23:03.44 | sussudio | how am i a jew, exactly? |
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| 23:04.01 | Guerin | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 23:04.16 | pickcoder | nvz: could it be your font size? |
| 23:04.42 | nvz | pickcoder: no fonts yet so far just using this for movies and stuff |
| 23:05.01 | nvz | pickcoder: there is no window decor, title bar, or fonts |
| 23:05.28 | blondie | Guerin: well the first two are drinks |
| 23:05.38 | Guerin | blondie: tango is a drink? |
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| 23:06.03 | Guerin | sounds like one o' them bright-coloured and sugary beverages for pop-tarts and winos |
| 23:06.13 | pickcoder | nvz: must be a window size miscalc |
| 23:06.18 | pumpkin0 | Guerin: at 2 promil everything in a glass is a drink... |
| 23:06.31 | blondie | Guerin: it's a soft drink |
| 23:06.44 | Guerin | blondie: oh. |
| 23:06.45 | blondie | orange like fanta/apple/other flavours |
| 23:06.53 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah well I dont know why its happening. I know it does this crap with my aterm, but I figured out thats based on charbox size not pixels.. and I got that down |
| 23:07.11 | nvz | pickcoder: for image data I dont know why its not just giving me the pixels exact |
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| 23:08.05 | nvz | if I say put an oclock here at 48x48 it should put it _here_ at 48x48 pixels on the dot |
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| 23:09.04 | Azar | nvz how do you use underline in irssi? |
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| 23:09.23 | Guerin | Azar: _like_ _this_ |
| 23:09.34 | Azar | :) looks nice |
| 23:09.43 | Azar | I don't know how to use that |
| 23:09.56 | phated | Underscores. |
| 23:09.59 | phated | _See?_ |
| 23:10.04 | Guerin | phated!! |
| 23:10.09 | Azar | __yes__ |
| 23:10.10 | phated | Oh, hello, Guerin. |
| 23:10.18 | Azar | phated, hey, hny |
| 23:10.18 | phated | Azar: _Just_ _one_ |
| 23:10.27 | Guerin | phated: are you in teh navy yet? |
| 23:10.30 | xingu | real men understand the raw protocol |
| 23:10.32 | rahul | silly people |
| 23:10.35 | phated | Guerin: I I am not. |
| 23:10.40 | phated | s/I // |
| 23:10.47 | Guerin | phated: what doing these days? |
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| 23:11.16 | sussudio | why is enigma still here |
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| 23:11.18 | phated | Guerin: Doing school, work, bloke. |
| 23:11.22 | Azar | _test |
| 23:11.33 | Guerin | phated: doing bloke? |
| 23:11.38 | Guerin | sounds thrillin' |
| 23:11.45 | phated | Guerin: It's ace. |
| 23:11.51 | phated | Azar: One on each side. |
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| 23:11.59 | Azar | _test_ |
| 23:12.02 | Azar | :) |
| 23:12.03 | Azar | yay |
| 23:12.06 | rahul | I like having one on each side |
| 23:12.10 | rahul | I mean. |
| 23:12.13 | xingu | one bloke? |
| 23:12.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:12.17 | Azar | hehe |
| 23:12.28 | phated | I would love to have one bloke each side. Frontside, backside ^.^ |
| 23:12.36 | rahul | I prefer bots |
| 23:12.37 | Guerin | fnarr |
| 23:12.38 | rahul | !botsex |
| 23:12.38 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
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| 23:13.13 | blondie | phated: what for? |
| 23:13.29 | rahul | blondie: we'll tell you when you're older |
| 23:13.45 | phated | Guerin: You? How's Deb? |
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| 23:14.14 | Guerin | phated: rippa, NYE was insane, we spent the whole of the next day on the couch smoking joints and watching samurai jack |
| 23:14.18 | Guerin | it was awesome |
| 23:14.24 | Guerin | she's at work now, though |
| 23:14.25 | phated | Guerin: Nice. |
| 23:14.53 | enigma | nice |
| 23:15.11 | Azar | I was wondering where all that grouchiness vanished on Guerin... |
| 23:15.18 | pickcoder | HEH |
| 23:15.22 | rahul | haha |
| 23:15.23 | Guerin | hah |
| 23:15.30 | pickcoder | meh |
| 23:15.39 | Guerin | phated: you just got back from the bar staff party and you can still type? |
| 23:15.50 | phated | Guerin: I couldn't two hours ago. I recover fast. |
| 23:15.50 | rahul | lame staff |
| 23:15.53 | rahul | heh |
| 23:16.00 | Azar | Guerin, that leads us to believe that phated drinks like a man |
| 23:16.08 | phated | I can't help having a strong young liver. |
| 23:16.14 | Guerin | Azar: when she came to visit me she wouldn't drink AT ALL |
| 23:16.27 | rahul | I demand that my staff be alkeys |
| 23:17.11 | phated | Guerin: because I had already been chewed out by my lecturers for HAVING DRANK, YOU FUCKING MORON. |
| 23:17.11 | Guerin | so I think she's making up lies to sound tough and cool |
| 23:17.11 | phated | Fuck you, Guerin. |
| 23:17.11 | Azar | hehe |
| 23:17.11 | Guerin | phated: sure, sure. |
| 23:17.11 | rahul | not that I hire them, but I chase them out if they're weak |
| 23:17.11 | phated | Guerin: Fuck off. |
| 23:17.11 | Guerin | rrrowr! |
| 23:17.41 | Azar | phated: it's ok we don't believe Guerin's stories anyways |
| 23:17.50 | rahul | there are many times where my bartenders have blacked out, heh |
| 23:17.54 | rahul | or waitresses |
| 23:18.04 | phated | but of -course-, silly me, the concept of actually NOT GETTING INTO FURTHER SHIT FROM SCHOOL is alien to you. I know, silly weak me, actually -obeying- instructions after getting a chewing out. |
| 23:18.16 | rahul | 'course, if I'm on an empty stomach, I usually end up blacking out first |
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| 23:18.24 | wwallace_lap | Guerin: |
| 23:18.25 | Guerin | phated: we all have regrets :) |
| 23:18.30 | phated | Guerin: Fuck off. |
| 23:18.33 | rahul | haha |
| 23:18.37 | rahul | this is entertaining |
| 23:18.39 | wwallace_lap | hi |
| 23:18.44 | Guerin | wwallace_lap? |
| 23:18.45 | rahul | I never paid attention to my profs |
| 23:18.45 | sid | etch is down to 105 bugs? What is the average resolved bugs per day now? anyone know abouts |
| 23:18.48 | wwallace_lap | hi Guerin |
| 23:18.58 | rahul | phated: oh, I don't black out in strange bars |
| 23:18.59 | Guerin | nah, blacking out isn't cool |
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| 23:19.02 | rahul | phated: not usually |
| 23:19.08 | Azar | sid, the 2.6.19 is fulla bugs thats what holds it |
| 23:19.25 | rahul | phated: It usually involves the bartender constantly doing shots with me |
| 23:19.26 | pickcoder | I thought .18 was going to be the final kernel |
| 23:19.32 | rahul | pickcoder: EVER? |
| 23:19.37 | pickcoder | yes.. for ever |
| 23:19.40 | Azar | pickcoder: the aim was raised |
| 23:19.41 | blondie | sid: surely you're running unstable? |
| 23:19.44 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 23:19.53 | sid | blondie: yes |
| 23:19.53 | Guerin | pickcoder: i think .19 has some hardware support lots of eejits need for dual-core |
| 23:20.03 | nvz | if you get the bartender to black out, your tab is on the house right? |
| 23:20.08 | pickcoder | I had no problems with a dual-core Xeon.. |
| 23:20.10 | rahul | nvz: no |
| 23:20.18 | pickcoder | the board, on the other hand, was a fun ordeal |
| 23:20.20 | sid | blondie: etch affects me |
| 23:20.21 | Guerin | nvz: you have to defeat ALL the bar staff for that,m a redoubtable task. |
| 23:20.21 | rahul | nvz: blacking out is different from being incoherent |
| 23:20.33 | rahul | Guerin: oh, I've done that, too |
| 23:20.42 | Guerin | pickcoder: yes ... for dual;-core mobo chipsets |
| 23:20.44 | phated | God, bar tab as penis. |
| 23:20.45 | sid | gnome 2.16 is in experimental, so are a lot of other packages that are being held until etch releases. |
| 23:20.50 | Guerin | phated: heh |
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| 23:20.57 | rahul | I don't pay much on my tabs anyway |
| 23:21.10 | Azar | I would assume that developers would want that Etch to hold as much newer hardware as it can... ofcourse newer hardware: newer buggy drivers and such |
| 23:21.11 | rahul | I paid $31 for 5 people on NYE |
| 23:21.28 | rahul | we had at least 4 drinks each, on average |
| 23:21.33 | sid | Azar: You know where there is a list of the 105 bugs left? |
| 23:21.36 | rahul | phated: I pay cash and keep a tab :P |
| 23:22.00 | rahul | phated: if I paid as we went, it would slow down the bar |
| 23:22.03 | Azar | sid, the 2.6.19 I read somewhere last night has over 500 bugs. I assume the 105 are etch's ones |
| 23:22.05 | phated | You pay cash because you don't actually have that much of a tab. Screwing the bar oveer tends to do that. |
| 23:22.21 | phated | A bar that slows down because they have to carry out a transaction? -Weak-. |
| 23:22.30 | pickcoder | sid: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | "Hey, hasn't this indian guy been doing shots all night? How come he only has a tab of $31?" |
| 23:22.49 | sid | pickcoder: I saw. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html |
| 23:22.49 | rahul | phated: well, that and they just don't care to collect the money till I leave |
| 23:23.02 | sid | pickcoder: But there is no page showing just bugs affecting etch release. |
| 23:23.02 | phated | Guerin: AKA screwing the bar over. |
| 23:23.03 | rahul | Guerin: they're the ones giving me the shots |
| 23:23.03 | dondelelcaro | sid: there is, it's on turmzimmer.net |
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| 23:23.24 | phated | rahul: Yeah, nice of them, I guess. <shrug> Small bars are fun. |
| 23:23.25 | nvz | what about http://bugs.debian.org/release_critical |
| 23:23.26 | sid | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:23.50 | dondelelcaro | sid: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch is basically what you want |
| 23:24.03 | Azar | sid: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ << ALL in all bugs: 560 |
| 23:24.23 | rahul | phated: if I screwed them over, they wouldn't do this |
| 23:24.28 | rahul | phated: oh, it's not really small |
| 23:24.29 | Azar | happy new year mr dondelecaro :) |
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| 23:25.34 | rahul | phated: I've just known all the staff for about 3-4 years :) |
| 23:25.41 | phated | rahul: <shrug> I apologise for thinking of a business the way it is. A free shot out is money lost. If I happen to really like a person, I'd consider giving them about two. |
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| 23:25.57 | rahul | phated: I've practically trained some of the bartenders |
| 23:26.00 | toad_ | the fglrx driver doesn't work; well it sorta works. the module exists and is loaded but the server doesn't like it. any ideas? |
| 23:26.05 | Guerin | well, it depends who they bring in |
| 23:26.08 | phated | How sweet. Peniswave, peniswave, peniswave. |
| 23:26.23 | rahul | in your dreams |
| 23:26.25 | Guerin | there are people who drink next to free in almost any bar |
| 23:26.30 | rahul | Guerin: exactly |
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| 23:26.45 | toad_ | all installed using the non-free packages |
| 23:26.47 | phated | Like my manager. |
| 23:27.02 | smacnay | does this look like a reasonable way to rename all p1000*.JPG files to P1000*.JPG? -> rename -n 's/p1000$/P1000/' *.JPG |
| 23:27.03 | rahul | the regulars know me more than they know the manager |
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| 23:27.14 | phated | Ah, one of those. |
| 23:27.16 | toad_ | i did create a module package, but it is not working... |
| 23:27.24 | toad_ | and there's nobody in #ati |
| 23:27.27 | rahul | I live in the neighborhood, tho |
| 23:27.30 | abrotman | smacnay: seems reasonable |
| 23:27.43 | rahul | it sort of has a momentum of its own |
| 23:27.51 | Guerin | since coming back to wllington, I don't even drink in bars any more |
| 23:28.01 | toad_ | driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0 detected X.org 7.1.1.0 DRI initialization failed! (etc) |
| 23:28.02 | Guerin | such is the life of a poor student :) |
| 23:28.05 | rahul | I hardly go there 3 times a week any more |
| 23:28.23 | toad_ | also an error further down: === [R200DALSetDisplayConfig] === CWDDC DisplaySetConfig failed: 6 |
| 23:28.33 | rahul | at times, I did go there 4+ times a week. I'd eat dinner there and have a drink or 2. |
| 23:28.34 | toad_ | but I doubt that's causative because it's after the failure in the log |
| 23:28.48 | phated | Wow, how sad, you can't go out often enough to satisfy your demanding alcoholic needs. Sob. this work thing I do, must be stupid. |
| 23:28.53 | smacnay | abrotman: doesn't seem to work... darn |
| 23:28.56 | Guerin | smacnay: $ would signify the end of a line, which you don't want? |
| 23:29.01 | abrotman | smacnay: errors ? |
| 23:29.12 | smacnay | abrotman: none |
| 23:29.18 | abrotman | smacnay: i think Guerin got it |
| 23:29.21 | rahul | phated: alcoholics go to meetings |
| 23:29.26 | smacnay | Guerin: thanks - you are right |
| 23:29.29 | smacnay | worked |
| 23:29.34 | toad_ | one result of this is that Xvideo doesn't work, and I need that for mythtv ... |
| 23:29.53 | Guerin | phated: such bitterness in one so young... |
| 23:29.57 | phated | Er - "alcoholic needs" as in "need for alcohol", not as in "need of an alcoholic". Sorry, terrible English on my part. |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | rahul: no .. they jsut admit they have a problem .. and never get to step #2 :) |
| 23:30.13 | rahul | abrotman: haha :) |
| 23:30.14 | rahul | nice |
| 23:30.17 | phated | Guerin: Fuck you, I'm -so- sorry I offend your delicate little sensibilities. |
| 23:30.22 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:30.35 | rahul | phated: he has more that's delicate and little than his sensibilities, tho |
| 23:30.49 | deadcat_ | phated: fuck him. |
| 23:30.53 | phated | Mature, much. *clap. clap. clap.* |
| 23:31.00 | rahul | heh |
| 23:31.08 | rahul | phated: are you irish? |
| 23:31.09 | phated | deadcat_: No thanks, he's too expensive for my $6/hour. |
| 23:31.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:31.56 | rahul | whoa, only $6/hr? ouch |
| 23:32.23 | rahul | I hope that doesn't include tips |
| 23:32.38 | Azar | ew udev makes ugly faces at scsi lvm/raid... |
| 23:32.42 | rahul | I thought $50k/yr is a normal bartender's earnings |
| 23:32.44 | phated | Tips suck anyway, people here think the 'service charge' actually go to staff. |
| 23:32.47 | Guerin | asia don't tip |
| 23:32.53 | rahul | oh asia |
| 23:32.55 | Guerin | it's how life is there |
| 23:32.57 | rahul | yeah |
| 23:33.02 | Guerin | they get shocked and confused if you try, too |
| 23:33.05 | toad_ | anyone familiar with fglrx anyway? |
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| 23:33.08 | phated | Guerin: FUCK. YOU. |
| 23:33.11 | rahul | wait, where the hell does the service charge go? |
| 23:33.15 | Guerin | phated: eh? |
| 23:33.19 | phated | rahul: Sorry, you got the impression I was a -bartender-? I'm a -waitress-, sorry for being a lowlife. I'll leave your mighty bartender self alone. |
| 23:33.22 | Azar | phated: 28% goes to house the 72% go to servers |
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| 23:33.27 | Guerin | not saying that's how it SHOUDL be, just how it is. |
| 23:33.28 | phated | Azar: Bullshit. |
| 23:33.30 | rahul | my bartender self? |
| 23:33.36 | Azar | phated: for real |
| 23:33.40 | rahul | phated: waitresses should earn at least half that |
| 23:33.49 | Guerin | a service fee is normnally added to the bill, and goes in the till with the rest of the money |
| 23:33.51 | rahul | and that's if it's a crappy bar |
| 23:33.58 | phated | Azar: No, -bullshit-, because I know my salary, and I know we do not get the service charge. |
| 23:34.04 | Azar | phated: depends from house to house... thats how it works where I live |
| 23:34.04 | rahul | Guerin: that's not how the bars I know are run |
| 23:34.09 | phated | rahul: "No, bullshit". |
| 23:34.13 | CrippsFX | I have a TI flash card reader (SD, etc), and I have the sdhci module installed and working. when I insert my SD card into the slot, the led blinks, but how do I actually mount the card? I don't know what the dev name is ... |
| 23:34.13 | phated | Azar: Where do -you- live? |
| 23:34.20 | Azar | phated: Los Angeles, come here |
| 23:34.23 | Guerin | rahul: you're in the states, it's a tip economy. The rest of the world ain't like that. |
| 23:34.24 | phated | rahul: You. don't. live. in. asia. |
| 23:34.33 | rahul | Guerin: yeah |
| 23:34.34 | Azar | my friends made so much in few years, they buy a house in texas now |
| 23:34.35 | phated | Azar: Gross, no thanks. |
| 23:34.44 | abrotman | !tell CrippsFX about usb storage |
| 23:34.45 | rahul | but wtf is the meaning of a service charge if it's not given for the service? |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | !tell CrippsFX about vfatrw |
| 23:34.52 | phated | It's a -tax-. |
| 23:34.58 | Azar | phated: Las Vegas and LA where the money are |
| 23:34.59 | rahul | how misleading |
| 23:35.01 | Guerin | CrippsFX: SD cards can't work in free software with full SD functionality |
| 23:35.22 | phated | At -some- houses they go to the servers. At ours they don't. <shrug> I'm sad and pitiful for liking my job even though it pays only somewhat decently. |
| 23:35.30 | blondie | Guerin: that's completely irrelevent |
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| 23:35.37 | rahul | phated: ok, as long as you have a choice |
| 23:35.37 | CrippsFX | Guerin, that's okay ... all I need is write access to the bugger ;) don't care how I get it. |
| 23:35.41 | phated | Azar: And I care more about money than anything, yes... |
| 23:35.41 | blondie | CrippsFX: type dmesg and look for sda or sdb etc |
| 23:35.52 | Guerin | blondie: not if he's trying to use a SD card as an SD card, rather than as an MMC card |
| 23:35.54 | Azar | phated: here the law protects the people... nobody gets scammed by the house |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | hahaha |
| 23:36.03 | CrippsFX | abrotman, so, SD storage works the same way as usb storage then? |
| 23:36.04 | pickcoder | Azar: LV depends on the job, but yeah.. there's definately much tip income |
| 23:36.08 | phated | Azar: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SAYS THE PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE LAND WITH THE RIAA AND MPAA |
| 23:36.10 | Guerin | Azar: yeah, right. |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | law .. protects the people .. |
| 23:36.15 | blondie | Guerin: never seen an SD card work that way :P |
| 23:36.19 | Guerin | that should be a qotd |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | CrippsFX: i believe so |
| 23:36.24 | rahul | phated: it's a conscious decision you made to work somewhere that pays less. I could get more than I'm getting at my current job, but I chose not to. |
| 23:36.27 | toad_ | anyone got any ideas for getting fglrx working on etch? |
| 23:36.30 | phated | rahul: No, sorry, I don't fucking have a "choice" if I want to live while dealing with shit from my parents. I just trade off prostitution for a half-decent pay at a job I love. |
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| 23:36.38 | CrippsFX | cool. thnx. |
| 23:36.38 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 23:36.39 | dpkg | fglrx is, like, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 23:36.39 | Guerin | blondie: read the SD Consortium Spec sometime, it's evil. |
| 23:36.44 | Azar | phated: funny enough riaa and mpaa goes to poor states where people don't have power or protection |
| 23:36.47 | toad_ | abrotman: i've done that |
| 23:36.50 | Guerin | but I don't know much more than the spec, so ... |
| 23:36.53 | toad_ | abrotman: it doesn't like the module |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | toad_: errors are helpful |
| 23:37.05 | phated | rahul: There isn't a place that pays more without me being practically a whore. hooter's is shit. |
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| 23:37.06 | pickcoder | I'm out..bbl |
| 23:37.07 | toad_ | driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0 |
| 23:37.07 | rahul | phated: yes, but you could have a decent pay at a job you wouldn't like as much |
| 23:37.10 | toad_ | detected X.org 7.1.1.0 |
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| 23:37.14 | Guerin | Azar: you really do live in LA LA Land, yeh? |
| 23:37.14 | toad_ | DRI initialization failed! |
| 23:37.16 | rahul | phated: hooter's is suppsoed to be shit |
| 23:37.18 | toad_ | that's about it |
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| 23:37.28 | toad_ | except another message further down: === [R200DALSetDisplayConfig] === CWDDC DisplaySetConfig failed: 6 |
| 23:37.30 | rahul | phated: it's for dumb girls who don't know they can make more |
| 23:37.30 | blondie | Guerin: haha |
| 23:37.33 | abrotman | toad_: did you use m-a ? |
| 23:37.34 | phated | Oh, fuck's sake, why am I trying to talk to a bartender? They're above me anyway. |
| 23:37.38 | earthian | hello, what is the default postgres database username/password? i seem to fail to loing :S |
| 23:37.41 | earthian | login* |
| 23:37.41 | toad_ | and obviously XVideo and GLX don't work |
| 23:37.47 | phated | rahul: Sorry, no, they make a lot of cash around here <shrug> |
| 23:37.49 | rahul | phated: why do you think I'm a bartender heh |
| 23:37.51 | toad_ | abrotman: i did.. that was a while ago, and i recompiled it just now |
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| 23:37.54 | toad_ | abrotman: i will try again |
| 23:37.56 | rahul | phated: interesting. |
| 23:38.01 | Azar | Guerin phated you don't know how stuff goes here.. we work them big ones against one another... and we profit from it |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | earthian: su - root ... su - postgres ... start using postgres (creating users is a good place to start) |
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| 23:38.13 | phated | rahul: Sorry, not a bartender. A "good customer" who gets free shots from bartenders. hate that sort. |
| 23:38.17 | Guerin | Azar: ... |
| 23:38.19 | rahul | heh |
| 23:38.26 | rahul | phated: I get free shots from waitresses, too |
| 23:38.28 | phated | Azar: Oh, my god, you guys -are- delusional. |
| 23:38.35 | phated | rahul: Those are called "blowjobs". |
| 23:38.39 | Guerin | hah |
| 23:38.42 | rahul | hah |
| 23:38.53 | rahul | phated: no, I don't trust milk at a bar |
| 23:39.00 | Azar | Guerin, the unions are hungry atm, no members no dues, we pit the crooked unions against the corps.. and voila |
| 23:39.01 | phated | So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic. |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | it's really sad when the owners say "You know how to make your own food .. go do it" |
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| 23:39.23 | blondie | ... |
| 23:39.29 | Azar | .... ok we stop it |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | she won't go to #-ot |
| 23:39.34 | rahul | heh |
| 23:39.36 | Guerin | Azar: you're on crack. |
| 23:39.48 | rahul | Guerin: but so is phated |
| 23:40.14 | Guerin | no crack in singapore, must be something else |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | might be .. freedome |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | -e |
| 23:40.32 | Azar | :) oh well were were we? |
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| 23:40.40 | blondie | abrotman: haha |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | teaching you about homonyms |
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| 23:41.02 | rahul | talking about blowjobs |
| 23:41.08 | rahul | I mean... |
| 23:41.18 | Azar | yea, please continue, I am watching |
| 23:41.22 | Guerin | ... |
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| 23:42.48 | rahul | watching us talk about blowjobs? |
| 23:42.58 | abrotman | you don't want to know .. |
| 23:43.18 | toad_ | abrotman: hmmm, it worked, thanks |
| 23:43.21 | rahul | but I'll have to remember that phated gives free blowjobs instead of free shots to customers she likes |
| 23:43.29 | toad_ | although XVideo still doesn't work, which was the object of the exercise |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | toad_: enjoy |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | wtf is Xvideo ? |
| 23:43.39 | lasindi_ | Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a Debian package of my Python program. I've been looking through lots of tutorials, but so far I can only find ones involving Makefiles, which my program doesn't use (since I'm using Python). I know that dh_pysupport exists, but I can't figure out whether I use dh_make in conjunction with it or what. Any ideas? |
| 23:43.44 | rahul | abrotman: xv, the extension |
| 23:43.57 | toad_ | X extension for overlay of alternate color spaces iirc |
| 23:44.03 | toad_ | I need it for mythtv :( |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | is that a driver issue ? |
| 23:44.10 | rahul | it could be |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | toad_: what is your video card? |
| 23:44.12 | toad_ | probably |
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| 23:44.16 | abrotman | !tell lasindi_ about mentors |
| 23:44.18 | toad_ | radeon 9k |
| 23:44.18 | rahul | or not loading the module |
| 23:44.33 | abrotman | doesn't the 'ati' driver work for that ? |
| 23:44.36 | toad_ | using fglrx to get tv-out |
| 23:44.39 | rahul | abrotman: yes |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:44.47 | rahul | toad_: oh you need to disable 3d for that |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | silly tvout |
| 23:44.52 | toad_ | does the "ati" driver have working tv-out? |
| 23:45.02 | toad_ | rahul: i did, i turned it back on, it works fine |
| 23:45.07 | toad_ | rahul: but i _still_ don't have xv |
| 23:45.15 | rahul | hmm? |
| 23:45.17 | Guerin | man, no xv? that's appalling |
| 23:45.19 | rahul | don't turn it back on |
| 23:45.26 | rahul | Load "extmod" |
| 23:45.28 | lasindi_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:45.34 | rahul | I think that's the one you need |
| 23:45.40 | toad_ | extmod is loaded |
| 23:45.57 | rahul | toad_: xdpyinfo. does it show xvideo? |
| 23:46.12 | toad_ | xvinfo says no adapters |
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| 23:46.24 | rahul | and xdpyinfo |
| 23:46.25 | rahul | ? |
| 23:46.55 | toad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.59 | toad_ | does list XVideo |
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| 23:48.16 | rahul | hmm |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | !phillysmite streuner |
| 23:48.25 | toad_ | according to the web there's an option to enable XVideo... unfortunately it's not recognized (and the driver is more recent than the specified one): http://phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35 |
| 23:49.12 | rahul | that's for doing video with 3d |
| 23:49.35 | toad_ | no, check the second page |
| 23:49.44 | toad_ | prior to adding the option xvinfo says no adapters |
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| 23:49.54 | toad_ | after adding it, it lists lots of screens with different visuals |
| 23:50.01 | rahul | toad_: are you using ati or fglrx? |
| 23:50.10 | toad_ | using fglrx |
| 23:50.27 | rahul | then maybe #ati would be more helpful, as those are proprietary drivers |
| 23:50.35 | toad_ | yeah, nobody there though :< |
| 23:50.50 | rahul | ok, I haven't gotten fglrx to work at all, ever. |
| 23:50.58 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-) |
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| 23:51.18 | rahul | I take that back, it did work for a week, and then I upgraded my kernel. |
| 23:51.31 | toad_ | rahul: I have never got TV-out working with the free driver :| |
| 23:51.49 | Azar | is this list updated by the hour? http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch << I could swear I saw dondelecaro's comments on one this morning |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | Azar: scroll to the bottom of the page |
| 23:52.18 | rahul | never tried tv out |
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| 23:52.46 | Azar | wow nice, thanks abrotman |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | reading is good! |
| 23:53.08 | rahul | cheese is good |
| 23:53.14 | abrotman | aye |
| 23:53.15 | Azar | beer is good |
| 23:53.29 | rahul | wild turkey is better |
| 23:53.33 | rahul | blanton's is best |
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| 23:53.40 | Guerin | bourbon is only good with coke |
| 23:53.45 | rahul | no way |
| 23:53.51 | Guerin | lolly water |
| 23:53.52 | rahul | I stopped that years ago |
| 23:53.59 | Guerin | and yes, I know there are good bourbons |
| 23:54.03 | rahul | I mix with ginger ale |
| 23:54.06 | Guerin | hah |
| 23:54.11 | Guerin | ah well, that could work |
| 23:54.21 | rahul | well, unless it's a good bourbon in which case, I do neat or manhattan |
| 23:55.03 | rahul | I don't drink much rum |
| 23:56.18 | rahul | Pour a 3:1 mixture of Coca-Cola and rum. shouldn't that be a 1:3 mixure? especially if it's in a highball glass |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | depends on ice |
| 23:56.49 | rahul | abrotman: it says fill with ice and then fill with the mixture |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | idiots |
| 23:57.07 | rahul | that's like half a shot of liquor |
| 23:58.06 | rahul | "Another variation of the Cuba Libre is the Cuban Missile Crisis. Compared to a normal Cuba Libre, it uses a higher proof rum, such as Bacardi 151 (75.5%)." |
| 23:58.11 | rahul | nice :) |
| 23:58.41 | Guerin | nah |
| 23:58.47 | Guerin | that stuff is for show ponies |
| 23:58.50 | rahul | heh |
| 23:59.15 | rahul | at least, they will be putting on a show afterwards |
