| 00:02.43 | leftStanding | hi all, i have two NICs, each on different networks, I'd like the machine to accept incoming/outgoing traffic on both NICs, previous attempts include each having an ip address with 2 default routes, i created a bridge, i'm not sure if i'm headed in the right direction.... any help? |
| 00:03.33 | blondie | leftStanding: erm... do both networks connect you to the internet? |
| 00:03.43 | blondie | I doubt you want to create a bridge |
| 00:03.55 | blondie | surely the networks are on different subnets |
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| 00:04.21 | mmlj4 | leftStanding: are you connected to 2 separate internet connections? |
| 00:04.45 | mmlj4 | or, what blondie said |
| 00:05.10 | blondie | if one is to the internet, and the other isn;t, just need to add a new route that goes to that network |
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| 00:07.42 | haldrik | hello earthian |
| 00:07.44 | me_here | nah despite all *quack* |
| 00:07.49 | me_here | i like my net whores |
| 00:07.53 | earthian | hello |
| 00:07.56 | me_here | lol |
| 00:08.00 | leftStanding | blondie: yes both networks connect to the internet |
| 00:08.05 | haldrik | I got the solution of my problem |
| 00:08.24 | blondie | leftStanding: how do you want your computer to use them? are they using different IP ranges? |
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| 00:08.59 | haldrik | -rw-r----- 1 proxy proxy 387120 2007-01-02 16:08 swap.state, this file on /var/spool/squid must be owned by proxy user, not root |
| 00:09.02 | haldrik | earthian: |
| 00:09.23 | leftStanding | blondie: yes different ip ranges, i want the computer to treat them as separate, packets coming in the first interface leave on the same interface, same for the second interface |
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| 00:10.18 | earthian | haldrik, it is? the owner has rw permissions and the owner is proxy user |
| 00:13.40 | Azar | hmm looks like iceweasel eats a lots of memory... from what I read from other people |
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| 00:13.58 | abrotman | Azar: why are you surprised ? |
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| 00:14.36 | Azar | abrotman: I never tried it, I was just imagine would be a lighter browser version to firefox's |
| 00:14.49 | abrotman | it is Firefox |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | mostly .. |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | same rendering engine |
| 00:15.13 | jelly-home | Azar: isn't that about the same thing as Firefox. |
| 00:15.14 | Guerin | um |
| 00:15.19 | Azar | yeah... my firefox uses between min 27mb and say max 80mb |
| 00:15.22 | Eulex | apart from the artwork and a couple of bug fixes... it's firefox |
| 00:15.26 | wireddd | do I have to have xrandr in my xorg.conf file in order for it to be enabled? |
| 00:15.33 | Guerin | firefox and iceweasel differ only in that IW lacks the trademark stuff and talkback |
| 00:15.40 | Guerin | otherwise they're identical |
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| 00:16.04 | Azar | there we go, I thought the trademark and artwork was heavy therefore iceweasel will become lighter |
| 00:16.10 | blondie | there's two different iceweasels ;) |
| 00:16.14 | blondie | both are based on firefox |
| 00:16.25 | Azar | ok I opt for the lighter one |
| 00:16.25 | Eulex | Azar, not really... |
| 00:16.33 | jelly-home | blondie: Just to make things more confusing? ;-) |
| 00:16.38 | blondie | jelly-home: yes! |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | i don't know of a single Gecko-based browser that is light |
| 00:16.51 | jelly-home | galeon |
| 00:16.52 | blondie | the gnu one is based on 1.5 and the debian one on 2.0 |
| 00:16.56 | Guerin | such a thing doesn't exist |
| 00:16.57 | jelly-home | perhaps |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: nope |
| 00:17.01 | Guerin | because gecko isn't light |
| 00:17.04 | LightKnight | galeon, epiphany |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | epiphany .. nope .. |
| 00:17.12 | jelly-home | elinks |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | none of them that i have tried .. |
| 00:17.19 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: links2! |
| 00:17.23 | leftStanding | blondie: is that possible or something ridiculously obvious that i am overlooking? |
| 00:17.23 | LightKnight | elink is gecko-based? :P |
| 00:17.32 | Guerin | LightKnight: no. |
| 00:17.33 | Eulex | kazehakase! |
| 00:17.34 | jelly-home | LightKnight: nope :-> |
| 00:17.42 | LightKnight | That's it :-PPP |
| 00:17.45 | Azar | well say I surf with jscripts off, activeX thank god are not an issue here... no plugins/tabs... |
| 00:17.54 | Guerin | Eulex: apart from having the worst name of any software project, it's shit, and not light either. |
| 00:17.59 | blondie | leftStanding: yes it's possible... not sure what you mean |
| 00:18.04 | Eulex | Guerin, true :) |
| 00:18.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: links2 is a bloated piece of cr*p, elinks forever!!1!one |
| 00:18.10 | me_here | my ±¼£ worth asses how are you ? |
| 00:18.23 | Azar | what? I like links2 |
| 00:18.29 | blondie | me_here: what? |
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| 00:18.32 | Guerin | plus or minus a quarter of a quid? |
| 00:18.38 | samuel | sup all |
| 00:18.44 | Guerin | that seems a fair margin of error |
| 00:18.48 | me_here | lol |
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| 00:18.57 | me_here | machine rounding ya no |
| 00:19.13 | mike-ekim | can I execute rpm on debian and install rpm packages if I do an apt-get install rpm |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | is everyone drunk ? |
| 00:19.16 | Guerin | i'm not sure what it all has to do with arses, though |
| 00:19.19 | samuel | anyone know of a repo w beryl+xgl? ...here is the trick... for AMD64? |
| 00:19.20 | me_here | seems so |
| 00:19.23 | xsdg | abrotman: heh |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | mike-ekim: likely .. no |
| 00:19.24 | Guerin | abrotman: against the odds, I am not. |
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| 00:19.38 | abrotman | mike-ekim: use alien .. or suffer through rpm dependency hell |
| 00:19.44 | abrotman | samiam: xgl isn't in debian |
| 00:19.49 | jelly-home | mike-ekim: although you can run rpm, it is not advisable to use it to install packages. Use alien. |
| 00:19.50 | abrotman | neither is beryl |
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| 00:20.21 | _Max` | hi, how to change the gtk2 theme? gtk-theme-switch2 isnt in the rep |
| 00:20.40 | samuel | abrotman: i know, im asking if anyone knows of a 3rd party repo |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | samuel: apt-get.org |
| 00:21.10 | samuel | thanks |
| 00:21.10 | leftStanding | blondie: the computer straddles two networks, we got around 4 IPs from the ISP, one is assigned to the server, the other is assigned to a router, the router has dhcp and the server has one of those addresses. so far i can only have one interface up at a time, i can't have both up at the same time (allowing people to access the server from the Internets and allowing users to login to the machine to perform network tasks on the network thats |
| 00:21.25 | jelly-home | _Max`: it's in gtk-theme-switch here on etch |
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| 00:21.50 | Eulex | !tell _Max` about search |
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| 00:22.20 | udos | are there GraphiteOne packages for Debian Stable somewhere? |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:22.36 | mikes1 | huh |
| 00:23.50 | _Max` | jelly-home, i tried it, but i only could change gtk1 theme |
| 00:23.50 | _Max` | s |
| 00:23.51 | Eulex | _Max`, switch2. |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | !find gtk-theme-switch2 etch |
| 00:24.10 | jelly-home | _Max`: dunno, works for me(tm) |
| 00:24.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-theme-switch2' (1): (/usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2) in x11/gtk-theme-switch. |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 00:24.50 | _Max` | oh, sry guys. my mistake |
| 00:25.10 | _Max` | thanks a lot |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | we know :) |
| 00:25.24 | _Max` | :< |
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| 00:33.02 | wireddd | xrandr doesn't seem to work on the xorg in my copy of etch, if I do "xrandr -x" I get this... Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:33.10 | czr | abrotman, http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools . relating to the discussion we had yesterday |
| 00:33.48 | wireddd | how do I enable it, apt says it is installed |
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| 00:34.23 | abrotman | czr: jeez .. you can write :) |
| 00:34.38 | czr | abrotman, sorry :-) |
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| 00:35.25 | earthian | what is the default password for the postgres user? |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | there isn't one |
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| 00:35.43 | earthian | how do i set one? |
| 00:35.46 | earthian | i cant login |
| 00:35.49 | earthian | with a tool |
| 00:35.52 | earthian | ^ |
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| 00:36.13 | abrotman | earthian: i already told you |
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| 00:36.43 | Klohunt | What IRC client is common under Debian? |
| 00:36.47 | dondelelcaro | earthian: you su to the posgres user, and use createuser or whatever you want to do. |
| 00:37.19 | dondelelcaro | s/pos/post/; s/create/create_/ |
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| 00:37.19 | wireddd | Klohunt, to each his own |
| 00:37.32 | earthian | ok.. did. how do i set up a password there? |
| 00:37.36 | dondelelcaro | Klohunt: irssi-text or xchat are basically the only two worth using. |
| 00:37.37 | Klohunt | wireddd: true, ok... Just the one I am using now is terrible :D |
| 00:37.39 | earthian | passwd seem not to work |
| 00:37.41 | dondelelcaro | earthian: you didn't. |
| 00:37.52 | wireddd | Klohunt, which one is that? |
| 00:37.59 | Klohunt | dondelelcaro: Ok, Ill try them. thanks. |
| 00:38.08 | Klohunt | wireddd: Gaim |
| 00:38.12 | abrotman | earthian: i told you quite a while ago how to do it |
| 00:38.16 | wireddd | yeah thats no good |
| 00:38.30 | Klohunt | yeah, its pretty plain |
| 00:38.49 | dondelelcaro | earthian: you need to read the postgresql administrators guide. This is all covered there. |
| 00:38.57 | czr | abrotman, can you explain why http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools/#toc14 contains an unlink before apt-get even asks any questions from the user? |
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| 00:39.05 | wireddd | ksirc isn't horrible, but it is not that great either |
| 00:39.05 | cureless | Klohunt: the most popular depends. Check the debian pop con for a initial very un-reliable list http://popcon.debian.org/main/by_inst <- ksirc might be first |
| 00:39.06 | czr | abrotman, at that poing both dpkg and apt-get use the wrapper |
| 00:39.07 | bkw | I have a centrino laptop with speedstep. Cpufreqd is running and it works pretty well with the scaling. But the fan is running constantly. How do I fix this? |
| 00:39.30 | earthian | ok thanks will try all. |
| 00:39.31 | earthian | :S |
| 00:39.41 | Klohunt | cureless: oh, thats the thing that I agreed to participate in.. Thanks for the link |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | czr: it's deleting the pkgcache.bin before it recreates it |
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| 00:40.20 | czr | why? user hasn't chosen anything yet |
| 00:40.37 | czr | (no interactive confirmation done yet) |
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| 00:40.59 | abrotman | czr: see the next two lines ? .. that's my guess |
| 00:41.21 | cureless | Klohunt: the main page is http://popcon.debian.org/. But, just because it's installed doesn't mean that it's used. I would say xchat and irssi probably are the most used |
| 00:41.27 | czr | hmm. so it can't reuse the pkgcache.bin that already exists there? seems a bit silly :-) |
| 00:41.30 | krenin | Hello... I am doing "apt-build world" on a Debian installation and it hit a snag so I need to resume it at the point where it left off. Is there a way to do this without recompiling the parts it had already finished before? |
| 00:42.00 | Klohunt | cureless: I see, thanks |
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| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | ugh. apt-build is totally a waste of time |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | do it manually! |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | czr: that's just a guess on my part |
| 00:43.32 | czr | abrotman, yeah, I was thinking on the similar lines but hoped for an answer. OTOH, it doesn't matter. it gets zeroed. as do all the temp files that dpkg creates (as you can well see in the same example) |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | czr: is it slow ? |
| 00:44.01 | czr | I don't notice it at all when verbosity is 0 |
| 00:44.23 | czr | as for objective measurements, I don't know |
| 00:44.36 | czr | haven't measured. seems snappy for me |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | i would imagine there's a reason it rebuulds that file all the time |
| 00:45.19 | czr | I'm sure you'd see some wallclock time if it would be processing very large files |
| 00:45.31 | czr | ah, you meant the building on the file. not slower than normally. |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | czr: but it only does it on removal |
| 00:45.40 | czr | yes |
| 00:45.53 | czr | the weird part is it does it before user confirmation |
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| 00:46.00 | czr | that was what was bothering me |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | czr: you could ask the apt developers |
| 00:46.07 | Thms | I need new nick idea anyone have ? |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | Thms: /nick newnick |
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| 00:46.23 | czr | abrotman, or just read the source code if I'd be really really interested :-) |
| 00:46.26 | newnick | newnick is bad |
| 00:46.26 | newnick | :D |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | newnick: enjoy |
| 00:46.30 | czr | abrotman, nevermind, thanks for the attempt |
| 00:46.37 | newnick | enjoy freedome |
| 00:46.40 | krenin | Anyone know how to resume an "apt-build world" on Debian at the point where it left off last time...? |
| 00:46.41 | me_here | newnick: idea |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | czr: interesting tool .. does it have any other use besides the one you use it for ? |
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| 00:46.52 | phogg | how do I update the /etc/aliases.db file? postfix keeps complaining in the log file that it's older than /etc/aliases |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | phogg: newaliases |
| 00:47.26 | czr | abrotman, well, assuming one can code a bit, I'm sure the same code could be reused easily to do pretty much anything |
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| 00:47.35 | czr | abrotman, I tried to make it as generic as possible for that reason |
| 00:47.45 | bkw | Anyone who has a clue about why my laptop fan never turns off, the speedstep with cpufreqd works but the fan never turns off |
| 00:47.48 | phogg | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:47.51 | czr | abrotman, but otherwise no, nothing I can think of. which doesn't mean that it doesn't obviously :-) |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | czr: it's not really a secure erase is it ? |
| 00:48.12 | czr | abrotman, did you read the introduction? |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | it's not an overwrite(it mentions this) |
| 00:48.15 | czr | the second paragraph? :-) |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | czr: yep .. read that |
| 00:48.20 | idea | eheh |
| 00:48.23 | czr | ok then ;-) |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | czr: you could submit it to debian for use with apt .. or even file an RFP on it |
| 00:49.13 | czr | abrotman, yeah. the ideal would be that deb-installer would already use it |
| 00:49.23 | czr | but I have no clue how to integrate this there |
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| 00:49.38 | abrotman | czr: well .. you could ask that zerotools be packaged .. and upon install be substituted for 'rm' |
| 00:50.03 | czr | haha, wonder how well that would fly ("I have this program that modifies the operation of your rm a bit") :-) |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | or for unlink i gues would be more approrpiate |
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| 00:50.30 | czr | nobody pretty much uses unlink (the program) |
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| 00:50.49 | czr | and as the docs mention, it's possible to setup zerotools so that it's used for _every_ command in the system |
| 00:50.49 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | doesn't rm use unlink ? |
| 00:51.02 | czr | abrotman, not 'unlink the program' |
| 00:51.09 | czr | abrotman, unlink() library call yes |
| 00:51.14 | abrotman | i meant the library call |
| 00:51.18 | czr | yes it does |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | i guess it can't really replace that :) |
| 00:51.28 | czr | it can |
| 00:51.35 | dondelelcaro | that's what libtrash does |
| 00:51.37 | czr | one of the examples integrate zerotools with rm |
| 00:51.55 | czr | and yes, libtrash is similar in technique, but different in the problem it solves |
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| 00:52.39 | dondelelcaro | the technique is far superior to mucking with rm... |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | libtrash is a recycle bin afaik |
| 00:52.59 | dondelelcaro | yes... it's LD_PRELOAD'ed, and overrides unlink() |
| 00:53.00 | czr | dondelelcaro, I'm not "mucking" with rm either |
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| 00:53.21 | czr | I use the same technique but also provide some integration tools to go with it |
| 00:53.47 | czr | abrotman, anyhow, I'm going to give the project a rest for a while and decide what to do wrt apt later |
| 00:53.54 | czr | it's in the wild now though |
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| 00:56.48 | dondelelcaro | czr: pkgcache.bin is just a memory dump of the package cache; any changes to the state of packages modifies it in all sorts of ways. |
| 00:57.12 | czr | dondelelcaro, why does apt-get --purge remove modify it before user enters 'y'? |
| 00:57.19 | czr | that was the real question |
| 00:58.21 | me_here | err is mr. schnell-sink around ? |
| 00:58.38 | me_here | mr. van schnell-sink ? |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | me_here: are you broken? |
| 00:58.58 | me_here | abrotman: nope just not linked |
| 00:58.59 | me_here | lol |
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| 01:02.11 | dondelelcaro | czr: hrm; I don't see an unlink here. |
| 01:02.27 | czr | dondelelcaro, context? |
| 01:02.49 | czr | with apt-get --purge remove foo? |
| 01:02.50 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.54 | dondelelcaro | FE. |
| 01:02.55 | czr | it might be dpkg |
| 01:03.00 | dondelelcaro | nah, it's not dpkg. |
| 01:03.05 | czr | we'll. it's something |
| 01:03.23 | dondelelcaro | it's most likely that you're pkgcache.bin hasn't been updated since you've run apt-get update |
| 01:03.27 | dondelelcaro | s/you're/your/ |
| 01:03.28 | krenin | Can someone tell me where to find the keys for Debian etch for apt? |
| 01:03.35 | dondelelcaro | krenin: /topic |
| 01:03.38 | czr | dondelelcaro, I did multiple tests |
| 01:03.46 | dondelelcaro | czr: which version of apt? |
| 01:03.49 | me_here | no it's not dpkg it's my mom |
| 01:03.51 | me_here | lol |
| 01:03.57 | czr | dondelelcaro, will have to check later on that |
| 01:04.09 | czr | remember testing on varios versions and various distros |
| 01:04.29 | czr | what if you run strace with the follow-childs option? |
| 01:04.32 | dondelelcaro | well, it doesn't do it in unstable; haven't bothered to check elsewhere |
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| 01:04.53 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i preserve the onwer when using scp? |
| 01:05.08 | czr | evilbulgarian, by being root on the the end where files are created |
| 01:05.34 | dondelelcaro | czr: it doesn't fork until you hit y. |
| 01:05.44 | czr | dondelelcaro, interesting |
| 01:05.49 | evilbulgarian | czr: i am logged in as root and box where im copying from to a remote host |
| 01:06.03 | czr | evilbulgarian, you have to be root where the files are created. |
| 01:06.11 | evilbulgarian | czr: i see thanks! |
| 01:06.20 | czr | evilbulgarian, or better use some other solution |
| 01:06.29 | czr | using ssh over root is not very intelligent in the long run |
| 01:06.34 | czr | root over ssh even |
| 01:06.53 | evilbulgarian | czr: need to copy a bunch of user accounts |
| 01:07.02 | evilbulgarian | czr: not sure what other way there is |
| 01:07.21 | czr | tar xzvf - /home/{account1,account2,account3} | ssh remoteuser@remotehost 'cat > /tmp/newaccounts.tar.gz' |
| 01:07.30 | czr | then login to remote end, switch to root and work there |
| 01:07.32 | teledyn | or you could give rsync sudo rights on the remote box and use something like: rsync --rsync-path='sudo rsync' |
| 01:07.33 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: you can ssh to the other box and use sudo + tar, or whatever works. You can even use rsync. |
| 01:07.42 | evilbulgarian | czr: thanks |
| 01:08.14 | czr | evilbulgarian, if the hosts are on the same network and user data doesn't compress (.mp3:s), then remove the z (and .gz) |
| 01:09.08 | czr | also I'd recommend against using /tmp/newaccounts.tar.gz better use cat > ~/newaccounts.tar.gz |
| 01:09.08 | czr | I know I just contradicted myself. |
| 01:09.12 | czr | consider it a patch :-) |
| 01:09.41 | Cyis | czr: so root over ssh when password and challengeresponse are off requiring a pre-shared identity key fall under your "not very intelligent" category? |
| 01:10.06 | czr | dondelelcaro, 'apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03' |
| 01:10.39 | czr | Cyis, that would depend on many factors. let's phrase it as "normally not very intelligent unless you really know what you're doing" |
| 01:11.14 | dondelelcaro | !+info apt |
| 01:11.16 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.46.4 (sid), Packaged size: 1411 kB, Installed size: 4312 kB |
| 01:11.21 | dondelelcaro | ^^ that's the version I'm using |
| 01:11.30 | czr | dondelelcaro, yeah, you said you had unstable. |
| 01:11.39 | czr | I don't |
| 01:13.51 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to remove about 42 lines worth of bans in a few seconds; /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended. |
| 01:14.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | don't do it! |
| 01:14.30 | dondelelcaro | again, /ignore #debian MODES; for your sanity... unbanning begins |
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| 01:15.38 | abrotman | oh .. i hope the versanet guy doesn't come back |
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| 01:16.35 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@80.69.155.205] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:16.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:16.53 | dondelelcaro | you can /unignore #debian MODES; if you want |
| 01:17.49 | czr | argh. I had to smoke meanwhile /me rubs sore eyes |
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| 01:18.04 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: A new year with no bans, huh? |
| 01:18.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that guy has a wider ban that doesn't get removed |
| 01:18.40 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: nah, we still have around 180... |
| 01:18.45 | jelly-home | oh |
| 01:18.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 01:19.05 | dondelelcaro | some of which have been there for *ages* |
| 01:19.15 | jelly-home | Pity there are no comments next to those bans |
| 01:19.42 | unlink | how can i centralize my user databases so that i don't have to separately manage /etc/passwd on many different systems? |
| 01:19.55 | dondelelcaro | well, I know (or can find out) why almost all of them were placed... so... |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | ldap |
| 01:19.59 | Guerin | unlink: ldap |
| 01:20.00 | nn-main | how do i conect usb0 to eth0 with out crashing the internet conection?? |
| 01:20.01 | dondelelcaro | NIS |
| 01:20.07 | unlink | Guerin: isn't ldap overkill? |
| 01:20.25 | Guerin | unlink: since it's designed pretty much for that explicit purpose, not really. |
| 01:20.55 | czr | unlink, either nis + ipsec or ldap/tls |
| 01:21.10 | czr | there are other ways too but those two are mostly used in real environments |
| 01:21.11 | Guerin | unlink: you could have a complicated system whereby /etc/passwd files were replicated around various machines as they were updated, but... |
| 01:21.12 | unlink | Guerin: well, do you recommend an impl that isn't bloated? |
| 01:21.20 | Guerin | unlink: heh. |
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| 01:22.59 | Saimazoon | Hello |
| 01:23.04 | unlink | Guerin: ? |
| 01:23.14 | Saimazoon | How much does a minimum Debian installation requiere ? |
| 01:23.19 | Saimazoon | I've got no more than 2 GB, it's an old computer |
| 01:23.30 | Guerin | Saimazoon: something around 300MB |
| 01:23.32 | Saimazoon | I'd like to set up a small web server in it, and SSH link |
| 01:23.34 | Guerin | 2G is plenty |
| 01:23.37 | Saimazoon | ok |
| 01:23.47 | Saimazoon | Can I get it straight from the standard CD ? |
| 01:23.51 | Guerin | sure |
| 01:23.51 | unlink | would nis or ldap integrate better with nfs? |
| 01:23.55 | Saimazoon | The installation CD |
| 01:23.56 | Saimazoon | ok |
| 01:23.58 | Saimazoon | Sounds nice |
| 01:23.59 | Saimazoon | Thanks |
| 01:25.08 | Saimazoon | Are you sure anyway, Guerin ? |
| 01:25.15 | Saimazoon | I tried Slackware and exceed the limit, it was a disaster |
| 01:25.35 | czr | Saimazoon, you must not install "everything" |
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| 01:25.47 | czr | it's pretty easy to exceed the 2 GiB in debian as well by installing "everything" |
| 01:26.08 | czr | unlink, you need to learn how NSS works first |
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| 01:26.18 | Guerin | Saimazoon: if you install base, apache, sshd and some tools, you'll have plenty of space left |
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| 01:26.19 | unlink | czr: okay, thanks |
| 01:26.21 | czr | unlink, NIS and LDAPs on clients will be NSS modules, so both integrate |
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| 01:26.28 | Guerin | as you would with slack, had you done it properly |
| 01:26.36 | czr | unlink, both integrate "with nfs". or anything else for that matter |
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| 01:27.02 | czr | unlink, unless you've done ipsec before, I'd recommend learning how to setup that first |
| 01:27.13 | Saimazoon | Guerin |
| 01:27.13 | czr | unlink, once ipsec is up and running, using NIS is easier than ldap/tls |
| 01:27.25 | brick | any thoughts on how i could run a console/tty/terminal on a second graphics card? (when i make X run on both at once, it has crashed the system.) |
| 01:27.28 | Saimazoon | The minimum installation in slackware install a lot of useless stuf without your explicit permission |
| 01:27.42 | czr | unlink, if ipsec scares you, do the ldap/tls. they solve different problems, but ldap is mostly useful for larger environments |
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| 01:28.21 | czr | brick, X server pretty much takes over all graphics cards |
| 01:28.23 | Guerin | Saimazoon: not when I did it, it didn't. |
| 01:28.32 | czr | brick, so the problem for you is getting X server not to crash |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | brick: you can just run X on the second card |
| 01:28.50 | czr | abrotman, second screen maybe |
| 01:29.01 | czr | it's still the same server. |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | card/screen .. whatever :) |
| 01:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Saimazoon: I've got Debian installs on less than 100M. You can easily do 400M without even trying. |
| 01:29.19 | czr | well, if X crashes, it will crash with two screens as well. same difference. |
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| 01:29.38 | brick | czr, abrotman: well, i read that running X twice was iffy; having both monitors set up in one "screen" seems right, but i'm not sure i'm up for debugging it. |
| 01:29.43 | czr | there were patches against X some years back that fixed the "I own all PCI"-problem in X |
| 01:29.52 | brick | hmm |
| 01:29.56 | czr | but they never were included |
| 01:30.05 | Saimazoon | ok, dondelelcaro |
| 01:30.05 | czr | except for one commercial product |
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| 01:30.09 | Saimazoon | You've got a Spanish name |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | hola dondelelcaro! |
| 01:30.24 | Saimazoon | lol |
| 01:30.31 | dondelelcaro | no... my nick would be horrible spanish if it actually was... |
| 01:30.54 | Saimazoon | It roughly means "where's the caravan" |
| 01:30.55 | brick | Saimazoon, pensé por un momento que con "Guerin" estuviste saludandome a mi... |
| 01:30.56 | unlink | how do i make the hostnames published by my dns server visible to my user applications? |
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| 01:31.13 | Saimazoon | Vaya, brick, qué haces por aquà |
| 01:31.16 | Saimazoon | Vigilándome, seguro |
| 01:31.23 | czr | unlink, man resolv.conf |
| 01:31.34 | czr | unlink, are you using dhcp in your environment? or static ip? |
| 01:31.34 | brick | Saimazoon, tratando de resolver una de las 99999 dudas |
| 01:31.43 | unlink | czr: both |
| 01:32.01 | unlink | czr: clients use dhcp, servers use static |
| 01:32.06 | czr | unlink, man resolv.conf for the static ones. for dhcp clients it should work automatically. if it doesnt, then your dhcp server is broken |
| 01:32.08 | Saimazoon | Las inifnitas dudas |
| 01:32.21 | Saimazoon | Sabes, conseguà un viejo Pentium 200 MMX y estaba tratando de usarlo para probar aplicaciones de red |
| 01:32.21 | czr | broken = misconfigured |
| 01:32.28 | jelly-home | wtf are dudas |
| 01:32.33 | Saimazoon | Questions |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:32.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:32.38 | jelly-home | oh |
| 01:32.38 | cureless | jelly-home: doubts |
| 01:32.42 | brick | dondelelcaro, i want to make a mini rescue install for a half-gig flash stick; any recommendations on installing it? i can copy over /etc, /dev, /var, etc; but picking a subset of packages, or eliminating collisions, i'm not sure how to approach |
| 01:32.51 | unlink | czr: i get things like ping: unknown host jbrown |
| 01:33.05 | jelly-home | unlink: sounds like jbrown is dead :-( |
| 01:33.07 | brick | abrotman, that's only true for monolinguals :) |
| 01:33.09 | czr | unlink, i get things like ping: itchy, replies |
| 01:33.16 | Saimazoon | abrotman I'm not here to discuss technical stuff in Spanish, it was just a simple chat with brick |
| 01:33.20 | cureless | brick: any specific reason why you're making a system and not using a pre-made one? |
| 01:33.22 | czr | jelly-home, weak :-) |
| 01:33.31 | jelly-home | ok so it's a bad, bad pun |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | brick: no .. it's true for this channel :) |
| 01:33.59 | brick | cureless, yeah, i want the rescue boot to actually match the kernel/mdadm i use - too many times i have got stuck with uncompatible versions that made it suck to boot off them. |
| 01:34.06 | dondelelcaro | brick: just use debootstrap and install what packages you want. |
| 01:34.15 | czr | jelly-home, reminded me of a "techno" song from early 90's though |
| 01:34.21 | czr | la style or something was the 'artist'. |
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| 01:35.01 | brick | abrotman, gotcha. |
| 01:35.22 | brick | dondelelcaro, i haven't played with that before... thanks./ |
| 01:36.13 | brick | ohoh, i can run the thing in advance with chroot? that sounds helpful. |
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| 01:37.03 | czr | arg. 'Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-zero:10: Extra junk at end of file' |
| 01:37.15 | czr | the file contains only comments |
| 01:37.42 | czr | hmm. or not. what is the syntax to disable apt-cache from keeping the cachefiles? |
| 01:37.49 | czr | Apt::Cache::pkgcache (and what?) |
| 01:39.02 | stoned | I don't want to be on windows anymore... but I can't help it. It plays my games. Is there remote desktop protocol faster than VNC so I can access my linux laptop and not try to hurt myself cuz its too slow |
| 01:39.21 | czr | stoned, install an X server on the windows |
| 01:39.25 | stoned | it is debian related cuz my laptop runs sid, which I'm right now |
| 01:39.27 | czr | stoned, or try FreeNX |
| 01:39.33 | DoppleGanger | cygwin/x |
| 01:39.37 | stoned | czr, when I run my games I have to kill it, my system sux |
| 01:39.41 | stoned | I've got Xming |
| 01:39.46 | cureless | stoned: ssh, use the command line :-) |
| 01:39.53 | stoned | I can't afford to close the apps |
| 01:40.01 | czr | stoned, 'or try FreeNX' |
| 01:40.18 | stoned | is there a way that those applications can still run in laptop and when I restart the Xserver on windows I can just connect them back |
| 01:40.30 | czr | stoned, 'or try FreeNX' |
| 01:40.31 | stoned | or do apps die because of Xserver death |
| 01:40.43 | stoned | czr, not required |
| 01:40.57 | stoned | ssh -C is fast enough for me |
| 01:40.59 | cureless | stoned: there used to be a program called xmove that would work like "screen" but for X. It doesn't exist any more and there is not much docs around. |
| 01:41.15 | czr | " Is there remote desktop protocol faster than VNC so I can access my linux laptop and not try to hurt myself cuz its too slow" |
| 01:41.20 | stoned | cureless, why would you tell me something that gets my hopes up but doesn't help me |
| 01:41.24 | stoned | cureless, you cruel bastard |
| 01:41.25 | stoned | :( |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | remote X ? |
| 01:41.44 | cureless | stoned: because maybe you want to look for it. However, I don't think that it was faster than vnc, it acted like another layer |
| 01:41.49 | czr | freenx was an answer to that. but I guess you already know everything |
| 01:42.18 | stoned | czr, yes I do |
| 01:42.42 | stoned | a screen functionality for X apps |
| 01:42.53 | stoned | thats what I need. Cuz then even freenx will become a viable option |
| 01:43.26 | stoned | see vnc doesn't tax my system like an xserver does |
| 01:43.34 | stoned | I've got this crappy machine I'm working on |
| 01:43.42 | DoppleGanger | damn taxes |
| 01:43.46 | stoned | i know man |
| 01:43.51 | stoned | its about that time o year too |
| 01:44.01 | cureless | taxation is for the poor... or for the slow machines. |
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| 01:46.21 | barretj | anyone know why vim would switch from this: http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5691/goodda4.png to this http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6564/badmr6.png after about 500 millisecond after opening a file? |
| 01:46.31 | stoned | abrotman, do you like seinfeld? |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | no |
| 01:46.57 | Guerin | yay for hating seinfeld! |
| 01:47.19 | cureless | barretj: are you running any scripts? |
| 01:47.19 | stoned | I'm downloading a 48gb torrent |
| 01:47.27 | stoned | every single seinfeld episode |
| 01:47.32 | mmlj4 | seinfeld-- # i hate dumb shows |
| 01:47.34 | Guerin | stoned: i pity your family |
| 01:47.38 | barretj | cureless: no |
| 01:47.39 | czr | stoned, I hope you get them all |
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| 01:47.45 | stoned | Guerin, I just wanna see tha kramer guy man |
| 01:47.46 | czr | every single copy. ever. on any media. |
| 01:47.47 | stoned | he makes me laugh |
| 01:47.52 | czr | so that we don't have to see them anymore |
| 01:47.57 | stoned | actually that show if one of the most brilliant |
| 01:48.03 | Guerin | stoned: this is what happens when you smoke too much dope |
| 01:48.09 | stoned | Guerin, I know |
| 01:48.14 | stoned | but what is too much> |
| 01:48.16 | Guerin | it's like when your mind is too open, all your brains fall out |
| 01:48.22 | czr | hah Guerin |
| 01:48.25 | stoned | lol |
| 01:48.40 | stoned | Guerin, do you have hair on your head? |
| 01:48.45 | Guerin | stoned: more than most |
| 01:48.48 | barretj | i have the exact same ~/.vimrc on two machines, one shows the colors the first way, and the other shows them the other way |
| 01:48.56 | czr | hmm. is there I pattern I can reliably use to get rid of all downloaded source package lists? |
| 01:49.00 | barretj | any idea what would cause the difference? |
| 01:49.13 | czr | rm -f /var/cache/apt/lists/*_source_{Release,Sources} ? |
| 01:49.23 | czr | barretj, different terminal settings? |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | syntax file getting loaded ? |
| 01:49.35 | czr | barretj, different distributions/different distribution versions? |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | czr: it's after the file loads |
| 01:49.49 | czr | ah. sry |
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| 01:49.53 | barretj | yea, it is different distributions |
| 01:50.00 | barretj | one is debian, the other is gentoo |
| 01:50.01 | Guerin | barretj: you have your answer |
| 01:50.04 | cureless | barretj: hold on, is the problem on 1 machine? Say, you load something and then it changes by itself? |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | are you serious ? |
| 01:50.14 | Guerin | barretj: oh, set your USE flag to -retarded |
| 01:50.17 | barretj | cureless: yea, thats it |
| 01:50.19 | cureless | barretj: is that machine a debian machine? |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | barretj: but are the syntax files the same ? |
| 01:50.47 | barretj | cureless: no, but i used to have the problem with my debian machine, then it went away when i did "apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:50.47 | kinection | is there a log file that iptable stuff goes to? |
| 01:50.48 | cureless | abrotman: the problem is the color changes after a set amount of time, probably an autoload feature |
| 01:50.53 | kingsley | What's a good way to copy a live CD? |
| 01:50.55 | kinection | for default |
| 01:50.58 | czr | any takers for the apt-source list pattern? |
| 01:51.13 | Guerin | kingsley: ??? |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | kingsley: original ISO ? |
| 01:51.29 | Guerin | kingsley: use a cd-burning program? |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | cureless: didn't he just say they were two different boxes ? |
| 01:51.32 | cureless | barretj: does it happen for alll files or just the one you showed? |
| 01:51.40 | stoned | !framebuffer |
| 01:51.40 | dpkg | hmm... framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 01:51.41 | barretj | cureless: all files |
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| 01:51.55 | cureless | abrotman: no, he was just saying that on one machine the problem doesn't happen (probably the debian one) and on the other one it does. |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | barretj: is your .vimrc the same on both ? |
| 01:51.59 | barretj | cureless: all files that are a type that has color highlighting |
| 01:52.02 | Guerin | czr: i'd be inclined to just comment the deb-src lines in sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 01:52.06 | barretj | abrotman: same exact .vimrc |
| 01:52.16 | stoned | is there an rdesktop rdp type server for linux |
| 01:52.24 | cureless | barretj: so .c files and .sh files both change? |
| 01:52.27 | czr | Guerin, will that remove the sources lists that already have been downloaded? |
| 01:52.27 | stoned | so a windows machine can connect to linux using its remote desktop |
| 01:52.27 | barretj | abrotman: i dont think its a .vimrc issue though |
| 01:52.34 | barretj | cureless: yep |
| 01:52.34 | czr | I don't use aptitude (refuse to), so I don't know |
| 01:52.38 | stoned | google tells me of nothing |
| 01:52.40 | abrotman | barretj: easy to check . move your .vimrc out of the way |
| 01:52.41 | cureless | barretj: have you tried with no vimrc file? |
| 01:52.41 | Guerin | czr: should do. |
| 01:52.47 | Guerin | czr: aptitude good. |
| 01:52.48 | czr | stoned, FreeNX |
| 01:53.02 | czr | there's also a binary client for NX protocol for windows. not open source but free. |
| 01:53.19 | czr | Guerin, old monkey learns new dogs not very well. |
| 01:53.22 | barretj | cureless: i just tried without a .vimrc file, no go |
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| 01:53.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | barretj: compare the php.vim from both |
| 01:53.46 | czr | Guerin, have been using apt-get since the world was created. or since I started using debian. |
| 01:53.50 | cureless | barretj: no go means what? same problem? |
| 01:53.59 | Guerin | aptitude works more or less the same |
| 01:54.01 | barretj | cureless: same problem |
| 01:54.09 | cureless | barretj: if that's the case, then don't use a vimrc until you solve the problem. |
| 01:54.10 | czr | Guerin, but it has an user interface |
| 01:54.18 | Guerin | not if you use it on the cli |
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| 01:54.42 | czr | Guerin, and in that case what would be the point? I just apt-get --purge aptitude on new installs. never missed it |
| 01:54.50 | barretj | cureless: i think its a setting on the terminal (xterm) thats doing it |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | try another term |
| 01:55.02 | barretj | because if i ssh into the debian box from the gentoo box, i have the problem |
| 01:55.11 | cureless | barretj: check what you have in the autoload directory. |
| 01:55.18 | barretj | whereas if i'm sitting at the debian box's keyboard, it doesnt have the problem |
| 01:55.21 | czr | Guerin, anyhow, that didn't answer the question :-) |
| 01:55.33 | barretj | cureless: where is the autoload directory? |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | barretj: so it's a gentoo problem ? |
| 01:55.53 | cureless | barretj: /usr/share/vim/vim70/autoload |
| 01:56.05 | barretj | abrotman: i believe it is, but debian had the problem at one point too, untill i did an apt-get upgrade at one point |
| 01:56.37 | cureless | barretj: ok, hold on once more, do you get the problem when you log into the machines locally? or only when you log in remotely? |
| 01:56.57 | cureless | barretj: if debian solved the problem you can check the changelog |
| 01:57.04 | barretj | cureless: log in remotely |
| 01:57.14 | barretj | cureless: no problem locally |
| 01:57.52 | czr | I wonder whether anyone has developed a way for the dist-lists to be sent in delta-format against the version that is already on the client |
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| 01:58.06 | adrakoa | hi.. |
| 01:58.12 | czr | something like rsync, but without rsync since the list files have sequencing anyway (no need for rsync) |
| 01:58.29 | czr | downloading Packages takes ages |
| 01:58.29 | adrakoa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.53 | jello | adrakoa: huh? |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | contact the current maintainer i think |
| 01:59.09 | jello | adrakoa: you mean ITA (intend to adopt)? |
| 01:59.13 | adrakoa | yes |
| 01:59.15 | adrakoa | sorry |
| 01:59.21 | czr | Guerin, btw, I just tested your idea. comment deb-src, then apt-get update, the source files go away by themselves. thanks |
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| 01:59.38 | czr | Guerin, and since apt-get now uses zerotools (for me), that will solve the problem automagically. |
| 01:59.51 | adrakoa | abrotman: it's orphan.. |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | get it a teddy bear! |
| 02:00.11 | jello | adrakoa: send mail to bug, with the retitle command and bcc control@ |
| 02:00.14 | barretj | cureless: dont see anything in either /usr/share/doc/vim/README.gz or /usr/share/doc/xterm/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 02:00.20 | cureless | barretj: ok, so basically what I think is happening is something is doing a "set term=xxxxx" or similar, which makes vim change the colors to the appropriate for the term. |
| 02:00.32 | jello | adrakoa: include in the mail that you want to adopt, why, etc... |
| 02:00.42 | adrakoa | ok |
| 02:00.42 | cureless | barretj: well, in that case maybe debian didn't have that problem and it's something unique to your setup |
| 02:00.49 | barretj | could be |
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| 02:00.53 | adrakoa | thx jello.. |
| 02:01.03 | jello | cureless: try :set bg=dark |
| 02:01.14 | barretj | it might have gotten fixed when i told it to install the package maintainer's /etc/vim/vimrc after i mucked it up |
| 02:01.19 | jello | cureless: or :set bg=light |
| 02:01.25 | barretj | :set bg=dark doesnt work, already tried it and light |
| 02:01.38 | cureless | jello: are you following the problem? |
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| 02:01.45 | eitan_ | hello all. |
| 02:01.53 | jello | cureless: i've gathered a bit from what scrolled by... |
| 02:02.01 | multi_io | hi eitan_ |
| 02:02.05 | jello | cureless: but not entirely... |
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| 02:02.08 | eitan_ | Hi multi |
| 02:02.21 | cureless | jello: barretj has a system where vim changes color by itself after about 5 seconds of execution |
| 02:02.30 | barretj | more like 500 milliseconds |
| 02:02.40 | jello | fun, must be some vim script somewhere... |
| 02:02.41 | cureless | barretj: how fast is your system? |
| 02:02.45 | eitan_ | Can someone help me figure out why my scanners only work as root but not as user? |
| 02:02.50 | cureless | jello: and now you're catching on |
| 02:02.51 | jello | run with debug to find out which scripts are executing... |
| 02:02.53 | barretj | cureless: 2.53Ghz |
| 02:03.13 | barretj | eitan_: probably permissions on the device files |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | can you change your nick for just one server in irssi ? |
| 02:03.43 | barretj | /dev/video0 or similar (i think) |
| 02:03.49 | multi_io | eitan_: sry I was away from keyboard when you asked your last quesions yesterday, so didn'T see them in time :) |
| 02:03.52 | eitan_ | Ya... what device files? |
| 02:04.00 | jello | barretj: try using vim -V |
| 02:04.02 | eitan_ | Oh... I thought you were upset at me. |
| 02:04.20 | multi_io | eitan_: nono, those were quite relevant questions I thought |
| 02:04.22 | multi_io | :) |
| 02:04.28 | jello | barretj: that should tell you which scripts it's running... |
| 02:04.29 | cureless | barretj: anyway, I gtg, talk to jello, but realize that you're not only on debian. |
| 02:04.39 | eitan_ | multi_io: how can I change my nick? |
| 02:04.47 | cureless | jello: it might be related to something changing the terminal he's using since it only happens when he logs in remotely. |
| 02:04.48 | jello | eitan_: /nick <newnick> |
| 02:05.01 | barretj | cureless: thanks for the help |
| 02:05.06 | cureless | later |
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| 02:06.33 | e | multi_io: can you help me figure out why my scanner only works as root? |
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| 02:06.45 | czr | e, use a longer nick |
| 02:06.48 | jello | e: probably a device file permission problem |
| 02:06.56 | multi_io | e: what kind of scanner is it? |
| 02:07.03 | multi_io | USB, Parallel port? |
| 02:07.17 | multi_io | ema: is eitan taken? |
| 02:07.20 | multi_io | :P |
| 02:07.38 | ema | I have 2 scanners: canon anoscan fb630u and a nikon super coolscan 4000 ed |
| 02:07.56 | jello | pick one :) |
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| 02:08.19 | ema | either... it doesn't matter.... they are recognized only when I'm root |
| 02:08.31 | ema | if you solve one, you'll solve 'em both |
| 02:08.49 | czr | ema, do you know the device files for the scanners? |
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| 02:08.57 | ema | no |
| 02:09.05 | jello | ema: sudo addgroup scanner `id -un` |
| 02:09.15 | ema | multi_io: I think eitan is taken... strange |
| 02:09.16 | jello | or is it the other way around... |
| 02:09.17 | czr | heh. was just going to suggest that |
| 02:09.26 | czr | -un is ok |
| 02:09.33 | fbred | does anybody know why vmstat says that bi/bo is 66/50, when no processes writes to the disk? |
| 02:09.35 | ema | jello: ok... tell me what to do |
| 02:10.02 | czr | addgroup `id -un` scanner |
| 02:10.27 | ema | I already have a scanner group |
| 02:10.31 | czr | fdred, swapping? |
| 02:10.45 | czr | ah. adduser `id -un` scanner |
| 02:10.47 | jello | ema: are you part of it? check with `id -a` |
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| 02:10.56 | ema | I already added my user to the scanner group |
| 02:11.03 | czr | ema, did you relogin? |
| 02:11.03 | jello | ema: did you logoff/on |
| 02:11.07 | ema | no |
| 02:11.12 | jello | czr: jinx |
| 02:11.19 | czr | you need to do that to have new group memberships active |
| 02:11.22 | czr | for your session |
| 02:11.28 | ema | ugh |
| 02:11.31 | ema | gee wiz. |
| 02:11.31 | czr | jello, it happens :-) |
| 02:11.32 | jello | ema: check `id -a`, if it's not listed... |
| 02:11.38 | multi_io | that's right |
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| 02:11.42 | czr | ema, same as in most operating systems. get used to it |
| 02:12.05 | barretj | its definitely a terminal setting |
| 02:12.19 | barretj | when i log in at a virtual console, i dont have the problem |
| 02:12.21 | ema | I was trying to figure out what command would tell me what group permission my user had... thanks for that. |
| 02:12.22 | pablo_ | hello, i have made a netinstall with the wireless and all ok, just after the first reboot it stoped working |
| 02:12.24 | jello | barretj: is $TERM different?? |
| 02:12.37 | ema | ok... so off I go to relog... thanks guys... more questions to come. :) |
| 02:12.42 | barretj | jello: yea |
| 02:12.55 | barretj | jello: term is linux rather than xterm |
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| 02:13.06 | barretj | jello: i just tried in konsole, and it doesnt have the problem |
| 02:13.15 | barretj | jello: so i've narrowed the problem down to xterm |
| 02:13.39 | czr | doesn't konsole also use 'xterm' as TERM though? |
| 02:13.59 | barretj | czr: it does |
| 02:14.10 | barretj | hmmmmmmmmm |
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| 02:14.17 | barretj | now i'm really stumped |
| 02:14.45 | czr | I'd bet on some foo that they did into gentoo for the xterm terminfo entry |
| 02:14.53 | czr | broke with xterm |
| 02:14.59 | jello | barretj: i told you, use `vim -V` to track it down... |
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| 02:15.16 | barretj | jello: i did, but there's like 9 million scripts its running |
| 02:15.29 | barretj | jello: not sure how the heck i should go about tracking it down |
| 02:15.29 | jello | barretj: that's why god invented diff ;) |
| 02:16.02 | czr | what would he/she/it have done with it? |
| 02:16.24 | czr | omniscient beings don't need diffs |
| 02:17.00 | jello | for us mere mortals, of course... |
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| 02:17.14 | jello | he/she/it doesn't need anything -- by definition |
| 02:17.26 | czr | "here you are. you, you and you will die today. but you will get diff. an idea I've been cooking for a while"? |
| 02:17.55 | czr | different you:s |
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| 02:18.40 | pablo_ | hello, i have made a netinstall with the wireless and all ok, just after the first reboot it stoped working |
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| 02:19.21 | toad_ | kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/build/include do not match current kernel. |
| 02:19.21 | toad_ | they are versioned as "" |
| 02:19.21 | toad_ | instead of "2.6.18-3-amd64". |
| 02:19.46 | toad_ | is there any way i can fix this and thus install the old fglrx driver i need, without having to compile my own kernel? |
| 02:19.47 | barretj | so i ran this in konsole: vim -V edit_region.php 2>/tmp/foo |
| 02:19.58 | barretj | and this in xterm: vim -V edit_region.php 2>/tmp/foo2 |
| 02:20.00 | toad_ | i'm quite capable of compiling my own kernel but i had hoped to stick with the debian ones on this machine |
| 02:20.03 | barretj | and then this: diff --brief /tmp/foo /tmp/foo2 |
| 02:20.14 | barretj | and guess what?!? |
| 02:20.18 | barretj | they're the same! |
| 02:20.24 | barretj | gaaaah! |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | barretj: try a liveCD! |
| 02:20.35 | barretj | heh |
| 02:20.39 | czr | barretj, I already told what I bet on |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:20.40 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:20.46 | czr | haha |
| 02:20.49 | barretj | what would a livecd do for me? |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | !phillysmite barretj |
| 02:21.02 | czr | barretj, that wasn't it |
| 02:21.02 | barretj | yummy |
| 02:21.25 | czr | I said that maybe gentoo mucked up their definition of 'xterm' in terminfo |
| 02:21.32 | barretj | oh |
| 02:21.41 | barretj | where's that? |
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| 02:21.54 | barretj | /etc/terminfo/x/xterm ? |
| 02:22.11 | czr | for example |
| 02:22.18 | czr | depends on distro where it is |
| 02:22.25 | czr | some don't use it and use termcap instead |
| 02:22.34 | barretj | what does debian use? |
| 02:22.35 | czr | some use both (which doesn't really help track down problems) |
| 02:22.50 | czr | I refuse to fix problems related to terminfo/termcap |
| 02:22.54 | jello | barretj: depends, etch or sarge? |
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| 02:23.15 | jello | $ cat /etc/terminfo/README |
| 02:23.15 | jello | This directory is for system-local terminfo descriptions. By default, |
| 02:23.16 | jello | ncurses will search this directory first, then /lib/terminfo, then |
| 02:23.16 | jello | /usr/share/terminfo. |
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| 02:23.38 | barretj | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:23.38 | barretj | 4.0 |
| 02:23.40 | unlink | why is vlc using 100% of both cpu's and skipping when trying feebly to play a dvd? |
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| 02:24.00 | barretj | i think its sid, its debian 'unstable' |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | barretj: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:24.16 | jello | barretj: do you have that in /etc/terminfo/README? |
| 02:24.17 | k-man | which package should i install to install and configure networking? |
| 02:24.33 | jello | k-man: ifupdown? |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | !tell k-man about interfaces |
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| 02:24.51 | barretj | $ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:24.53 | barretj | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 02:25.21 | barretj | jello: yep, i have that in /etc/terminfo/README |
| 02:25.30 | jello | barretj: well, then you have your answer... |
| 02:26.18 | barretj | so maybe copy /lib/terminfo/x/xterm from my debian box to my gentoo box? |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | that's sid |
| 02:26.30 | jello | barretj: sounds reasonable... |
| 02:26.48 | jello | barretj: but maybe put it in /etc/terminfo on the gentoo box |
| 02:26.56 | barretj | ok |
| 02:27.08 | fbred | does anybody know why vmstat says that bi/bo is 66/50, when no processes writes to the disk? |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | jello: you need more spare time |
| 02:27.39 | jello | abrotman: wanna send some my way?? |
| 02:28.08 | barretj | i started using it because debian packages were falling behind in version numbers and there were lots of packages debian didnt have but gentoo did, but now that seems to be changing |
| 02:28.16 | jello | abrotman: besides, that's why i use debian, b/c i don't have time to compile everything in the world... |
| 02:28.31 | czr | unlink, because vlc can't handle the bandwidth of the video |
| 02:28.36 | barretj | i usually just start the compile when i go to bed, and when i get up its done |
| 02:28.36 | toad_ | maybe that will solve the the-headers-say-no-version-so-fglrx-won't-install bug |
| 02:29.00 | toad_ | and no i can't use the packaged fglrx, i need to use an old version to get xvideo working |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | jello: just imagine if life were as easy as installing precompiled binary packages .. heaven ... |
| 02:29.38 | jello | abrotman: don't you know? heaven is a place on earth |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | Belinda! |
| 02:29.54 | toad_ | so it looks like the only way you can install fglrx is if you also compile your own kernel |
| 02:29.54 | dvs | heh |
| 02:29.56 | toad_ | wonderful |
| 02:29.57 | abrotman | or was that Debbie ? |
| 02:29.59 | Gnea | foobar! |
| 02:30.03 | jello | Belinda |
| 02:30.08 | czr | abrotman, also imagine the packages would contain software that would do what you want and do it correctly and fast too ;-) |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | czr: if only it were free ... |
| 02:30.41 | czr | free would be nice too. |
| 02:30.50 | jello | libre is even better! |
| 02:30.52 | unlink | czr: hmm |
| 02:30.59 | unlink | czr: how can i diagnose where the bottleneck is? |
| 02:31.03 | jello | but what am i saying, that's crazy talk.. |
| 02:31.14 | czr | unlink, it's your CPU if cpu load is 100% |
| 02:31.52 | unlink | czr: well, it's not pinned, but it's close |
| 02:31.58 | czr | unlink, although you didn't say which system you're running vlc client on |
| 02:32.27 | unlink | czr: it's all on the same machine |
| 02:32.40 | czr | and where is vlc client connected to? |
| 02:32.46 | toad_ | kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/build/include do not match current kernel. |
| 02:32.52 | toad_ | why are the includes not versioned? |
| 02:32.57 | toad_ | they are versioned as "" |
| 02:33.10 | multi_io | unlink: what process uses the CPU? vlc or the X server? |
| 02:33.13 | czr | toad_, why isn't 2.6.19 stable kernel really stable? |
| 02:33.20 | multi_io | unlink: run "top" |
| 02:33.25 | unlink | wow |
| 02:33.29 | toad_ | czr: i'd really like to use a debian kernel ... |
| 02:33.34 | unlink | htop is showing nan% cpu usage |
| 02:33.36 | barretj | jello: is there something i have to do to get it to recognize a new file in /etc/terminfo ? |
| 02:33.46 | czr | toad_, you can't mix modules against different kernels |
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| 02:33.48 | toad_ | czr: but i need to get this thing working and to do that i need to install an old version of fglrx |
| 02:33.57 | toad_ | czr: i'm not trying to |
| 02:34.02 | jello | barretj: don't think so... |
| 02:34.05 | barretj | hmm |
| 02:34.12 | czr | toad_, you need to install an older version of fglrx |
| 02:34.15 | barretj | i'm about ready to just give up |
| 02:34.24 | toad_ | czr: i'm trying to install fglrx. that needs to build a kernel. the includes are versioned as "", which doesn't match "2.6.18-3-amd64" (which is correct) |
| 02:34.26 | jello | barretj: ask #gentoo?? |
| 02:34.36 | barretj | jello: i did, but they were unhelpful |
| 02:34.58 | barretj | jello: you guys are waaay better than those gentoo wackos |
| 02:35.02 | toad_ | czr: i need a driver for my radeon 9k that has working tv-out and working xv support |
| 02:35.04 | czr | toad_, well, can't really help you. never used fglrx. what is it? |
| 02:35.12 | dvs | barretj: too good if you ask me |
| 02:35.13 | toad_ | proprietary ati driver for radeon etc |
| 02:35.13 | czr | the closed source ati driver? |
| 02:35.17 | unlink | top is now showing 24% of cpu use per core |
| 02:35.18 | toad_ | yeah |
| 02:35.18 | jello | barretj: sorry, didn't mean to laugh at your misery |
| 02:35.25 | barretj | i finally dumped my ati card and got an nvidia |
| 02:35.28 | czr | ah, then can't help you (don't have radeons) |
| 02:35.29 | toad_ | tv-out has never worked on the ati |
| 02:35.34 | barretj | jello: no prob |
| 02:35.36 | toad_ | err on the free driver |
| 02:35.44 | barretj | jello: it _is_ just syntax highlighting after all |
| 02:35.53 | czr | well, it's not free vs non-free, I just don't have radeons. |
| 02:35.56 | toad_ | barretj: i don't want to have to buy yet another graphics card for it, it's only a mythtv box... |
| 02:35.58 | jello | barretj: it's the principle of the matter... |
| 02:36.18 | toad_ | anyway why ARE the includes versioned wrong? |
| 02:36.34 | czr | they might have changes for some reason along the way |
| 02:36.37 | czr | changed even |
| 02:36.47 | toad_ | what might have? |
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| 02:36.51 | czr | if the old package assumes non-versioned kernel and you have a versioned one |
| 02:36.52 | k-man | so when you first install debian, what does it run to configure the network? and can i rerun that? |
| 02:36.54 | toad_ | i installed the debian kernel |
| 02:36.58 | toad_ | and i installed the debian headers |
| 02:37.01 | toad_ | so they should match |
| 02:37.08 | jello | barretj: maybe do a wdiff against what gentoo has for the xterm terminfo? |
| 02:37.11 | unlink | it's not the video...it happens even with ascii art |
| 02:37.14 | Guy-Loup | http://xssportal.xs.funpic.de/itiraf/ |
| 02:37.16 | unlink | it might be the dvd drive |
| 02:37.19 | czr | toad_, maybe you have wrong kernel header package? |
| 02:37.19 | toad_ | and then the installer will recognize that they match and will compile a module and live happily ever after |
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| 02:37.21 | barretj | jello: ok, i'll try that |
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| 02:37.40 | toad_ | linux-headers-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 02:37.56 | czr | and your running kernel package? |
| 02:38.02 | jello | ah yes, terminfo descriptions need to be compiled with tic |
| 02:38.08 | jello | barretj: ^^ |
| 02:38.10 | toad_ | linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 02:38.14 | toad_ | these should match, no? |
| 02:38.17 | czr | toad_, I see the problem |
| 02:38.18 | czr | yeah |
| 02:38.32 | czr | well, I don't know what the problem is. just see why you're frustrated :-) |
| 02:38.40 | toad_ | :| |
| 02:38.50 | toad_ | well the problem is that the debian headers are not properly versioned |
| 02:39.11 | czr | or the package contains broken script |
| 02:39.25 | toad_ | well, it works with a custom kernel iirc |
| 02:39.26 | czr | jello, you've written terminfo entries? |
| 02:39.33 | czr | toad_, the package? |
| 02:39.42 | czr | I mean the flgxlrx whatever package? |
| 02:39.43 | toad_ | the ati installer yeah |
| 02:39.46 | barretj | jello: so i need to recompile my terminfo file for xterm with "tic" ? |
| 02:39.46 | toad_ | yeah |
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| 02:39.54 | toad_ | fglrx works with a custom kernel and that's the logical workaround |
| 02:40.02 | czr | well, do a custom kernel then |
| 02:40.09 | toad_ | it's just that that's really annoying especially as debian kernels are really rather good now |
| 02:40.21 | czr | life is. annoying. |
| 02:40.28 | toad_ | ok... |
| 02:40.31 | toad_ | i'll report a bug though first |
| 02:40.36 | czr | sure |
| 02:40.50 | jello | barretj: nevermind, the terminfo in /lib/terminfo is already compiled (as it should be...) |
| 02:40.55 | czr | maybe someone will come along later that knows the solution to your exact problem. I'm not that person though. |
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| 02:41.13 | jello | barretj: as file correctly points out... |
| 02:41.41 | jello | barretj: hmm, there's a /lib/terminfo/xterm-debian |
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| 02:42.11 | barretj | jello: but wouldnt that only be used if my $TERM was set to "xterm-debian" ? |
| 02:42.23 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 02:42.30 | toad_ | i could try the unstable version of the headers ... |
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| 02:44.10 | jello | barretj: they have an include method called "use" |
| 02:44.37 | jello | barretj: try copying the entire /lib/terminfo/x tree to gentoo |
| 02:44.43 | barretj | jello: ok |
| 02:44.47 | jello | barretj: after backing up the gentoo one |
| 02:45.11 | barretj | jello: i'm gonna copy the whole /lib/terminfo tree :) |
| 02:45.17 | jello | barretj: if that don't work, it's time to check the source... |
| 02:45.25 | jello | barretj: that should work... heh |
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| 02:45.48 | czr | barretj, you don't have anything useful to do with your spare time? :-) |
| 02:46.14 | barretj | actually i do, but i'm a born procrastinator |
| 02:46.23 | czr | aren't we all |
| 02:47.02 | jello | barretj: just remember that lazy binding is a *good* thing |
| 02:47.03 | jello | that's what i tell everyone who accuses me of procrastinating... |
| 02:47.10 | czr | true jello |
| 02:47.12 | jello | well, that and "premature optimization is the root of all evil" |
| 02:47.20 | czr | I always say that "it's a priorization mechanism" |
| 02:47.31 | czr | only things that are really important will get done |
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| 02:48.41 | barretj | jello: i just copied /lib/terminfo from debian to gentoo, and it didnt solve the problem |
| 02:48.51 | barretj | to /etc/terminfo on gentoo, that is |
| 02:49.29 | jello | barretj: two possibilities: it's not the problem, gentoo doesn't use /etc/terminfo |
| 02:49.39 | jello | s/,/, or / |
| 02:50.22 | barretj | if gentoo doesnt use /etc/terminfo, why would there be a bunch of files in there? |
| 02:50.24 | abrotman | or ask #gentoo ? :) |
| 02:50.45 | jello | barretj: agreed, they should be using it... |
| 02:51.16 | jello | barretj: does `TERM=xterm-color vim ...` work? |
| 02:51.31 | barretj | jello: nope |
| 02:51.48 | jello | bah, file a bug against gentoo and call it a night |
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| 02:51.56 | barretj | jello: heh, ok |
| 02:52.12 | jello | barretj: have you tried google? |
| 02:52.44 | jello | barretj: is all syntax coloring screwed up or only certain types/langs? |
| 02:53.05 | barretj | havent tried google since we narrowed the prob down to terminfo |
| 02:53.17 | barretj | jello: yep, all filetypes, all languages |
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| 02:54.17 | jello | barretj: maybe it's rgb.txt |
| 02:54.54 | jello | though, that's seriously stretching it... |
| 02:54.55 | barretj | /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt ? |
| 02:55.04 | jello | something like that, yeah |
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| 02:55.47 | jello | barretj: does `ls --color` work? |
| 02:56.34 | jello | barretj: aha! vim on gentoo is compiled -terminfo, not +terminfo |
| 02:56.51 | jello | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.vim/24259 |
| 02:57.00 | barretj | oooh! |
| 02:57.07 | jello | google really, truly is your friend... |
| 02:58.06 | barretj | hmm |
| 02:58.19 | barretj | that doesnt look like the problem i'm having |
| 02:58.22 | barretj | and |
| 02:58.32 | barretj | vim doesnt have a 'ncurses' use flag |
| 03:00.13 | barretj | also, terminfo is '+terminfo' on both the debian and the gentoo boxes |
| 03:00.26 | jello | barretj: have you tried other shells on gentoo? eg. rxvt |
| 03:03.12 | barretj | jello: i tried konsole, and it didnt have the problem |
| 03:03.26 | barretj | jello: its strictly an xterm problem i think |
| 03:05.30 | jello | barretj: does the `ls --color` work in xterm? |
| 03:05.40 | barretj | jello: yea, works fine |
| 03:06.05 | jello | barretj: use gvim?? |
| 03:06.16 | czr | abrotman, added some additional tweaks wrt debian: http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools/#toc15 |
| 03:06.29 | czr | (short explanation on their effect is just before that example starts) |
| 03:06.37 | barretj | jello: i'd rather use vim |
| 03:06.47 | czr | I'd appreciate feedback if it seems that I'm doing something in a really wrong way in that |
| 03:06.51 | barretj | jello: maybe i'll just use my debian box |
| 03:07.11 | barretj | i just installed rxvt on the gentoo box, and the colors are fine |
| 03:07.27 | barretj | so its definitely xterm thats foocked |
| 03:07.34 | jello | barretj: ok, so use vim in rxvt, file a bug, and call it a night |
| 03:07.50 | barretj | its time for sleep anyway |
| 03:07.53 | barretj | thanks for the help |
| 03:08.21 | jello | barretj: g'nite |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | czr: you could send an email to debian-user or debian-devel and see if they think it'd be useful |
| 03:09.33 | czr | those ml:s accept mail from non-subscribers? |
| 03:09.50 | czr | and are they ok to post "announcement"-style msgs? |
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| 03:12.51 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 03:12.57 | ice63 | it's slow to night :) |
| 03:13.08 | Seb | heh |
| 03:13.19 | Seb | not as slow as on oftc, I'm sure :> |
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| 03:13.57 | mptech | what's the command that sends notice to all the logged in terminals? |
| 03:14.03 | czr | wal |
| 03:14.03 | jello | mptech: wall |
| 03:14.05 | czr | +l |
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| 03:14.10 | czr | damn it :-) |
| 03:14.19 | jello | czr: you're slipping... |
| 03:14.30 | czr | jello, I know. only had one hand available :-( |
| 03:14.47 | czr | and no, you don't want to know where the other hand was. want-to-know-basis and all that. |
| 03:14.48 | jello | !comfort czr |
| 03:14.48 | dpkg | There, there, czr. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:15.11 | czr | hah. must be the first time I've seen dpkg say something nice and positive (other than the canada-song :-) |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | czr: they do |
| 03:15.29 | Seb | !beer czr |
| 03:15.35 | czr | jever? |
| 03:15.54 | Seb | !google jever |
| 03:15.56 | czr | abrotman, ok then, I'll drop a short announcement |
| 03:15.57 | Jimmymaniac | Results for jever on Google: |
| 03:15.58 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
| 03:16.13 | czr | so instead of doing a--; I could do ajever ;? |
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| 03:16.23 | czr | cool. |
| 03:17.10 | czr | found it though. haven't seen it around here. maybe will find it next time I go to some beer-house. |
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| 03:23.08 | jello | anyone here familiar with CLI/.NET packaging? |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | there's a mono channel i think |
| 03:23.44 | jello | abrotman: yeah, it's basically dead... |
| 03:23.45 | abrotman | you can only go there once |
| 03:23.54 | jello | heh |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | jello: on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 03:24.26 | Guerin | argh, the bureaucrats, how I hates them |
| 03:24.32 | jello | abrotman: no, #debian-mono |
| 03:24.32 | abrotman | jello: 115 on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:25.31 | jello | abrotman: doubt, they'd clarify http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ for me... |
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| 03:26.57 | abrotman | jello: tell them you'll report them to the EMCA people for crappy docs! |
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| 03:32.56 | barretj_zzzzzzzz | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159800 |
| 03:33.33 | Seb | barretj_zzzzzzzz: that does suck |
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| 03:36.07 | abrotman | i've discovered why gentoo sucks ... they use bugzilla :) |
| 03:36.12 | Kassah2 | lol |
| 03:36.25 | dvs | abrotman: That isn't all that sucks about it. |
| 03:36.36 | jello | !start a distro war |
| 03:36.37 | dpkg | DSL owns! |
| 03:36.38 | Kassah2 | is there a way to preview what packages apt-get upgrade will upgrade? |
| 03:37.00 | jello | Kassah2: run it and then hit no before downloading? |
| 03:37.01 | Kassah2 | I'm a Gentoo convert... I loved Gentoo, but I diddn't have the time for it |
| 03:37.19 | Kassah2 | I don't trust that... I'm too enter happy |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | Kassah2: -u |
| 03:37.56 | jello | Kassah2: --simulate |
| 03:38.00 | Kassah2 | thanks |
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| 03:38.28 | lkthomas | hey all |
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| 03:38.32 | lkthomas | anyone using nagios in debian ? |
| 03:38.39 | mjoseph | hey folks |
| 03:38.44 | jello | !anyone |
| 03:38.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:39.05 | lkthomas | I am searching for 2.x nagios installation guide on debian |
| 03:39.14 | lkthomas | but I can't find the package for this |
| 03:40.18 | mjoseph | i know i'm being an idiot here, but what the heck is rotating /var/log/mail.(log|err|info)? actually, there's a whole bunch of logfiles that I can't find entries for in /etc/logrotate.conf or /etc/logrotate.d/* are they built-ins? |
| 03:40.37 | Guerin | Kassah2: solution: don't use it |
| 03:40.50 | mjoseph | i see that the syslog-ng package installs an /etc/logrotate.d/syslog-ng file to rotate them, so i'm guessing not |
| 03:41.09 | abrotman | mjoseph: cron.daily |
| 03:41.11 | Kassah2 | Guerin: working on that =), however it takes time to develop a replacement of rough comparison |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | syslogd |
| 03:41.47 | Kassah2 | Guerin: do you have suggestions of panels that work well with debian and virtual hosting? |
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| 03:42.13 | Guerin | Kassah2: panels bad. Recommend /bin/sh |
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| 03:43.35 | Kassah2 | Guerin: I happen to agree, however, others are not so flexible... do you know of a CLI hosting control system? |
| 03:43.53 | Guerin | eh? |
| 03:44.44 | Kassah2 | Guerin: something that allowed them to change their apache virtual host, mail, and list-serv settings from CLI without giving out sudo permissions? |
| 03:44.47 | mjoseph | abrotman: ah, i'm guessing you mean sysklogd, but yeah, thanks |
| 03:44.54 | Kassah2 | Guerin: per domain? |
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| 03:45.15 | abrotman | mjoseph: typing is off! |
| 03:45.22 | mjoseph | i wouldn't have thought of that, i passed it over, thinking it was just the kernel-log |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | Kassah2: i suppose I'd use include files |
| 03:46.19 | mjoseph | yeah, woops, forgot that the default syslog is still called sysklogd |
| 03:46.19 | Guerin | but if you need control that fine-grained you're better off using VPSen |
| 03:46.49 | mjoseph | wow, and somehow this is *better* than logrotate??? |
| 03:47.06 | Kassah2 | that's horribly ineffecient |
| 03:47.12 | Guerin | Kassah2: the problem with allowing eejits to edit the config files of, say, apache is that they can stop it from working for all users if they fuck it up. A canonical example of why this stuff is better left to admins. |
| 03:47.25 | Guerin | Kassah2: hardware is cheap, security is expensive. |
| 03:47.33 | Kassah2 | aye.. |
| 03:48.01 | Kassah2 | you run into security risks with any shared host situation... but at this point, cost is a big deal for minor sites... |
| 03:48.06 | czr | abrotman, if I get a lot of flak for posting the email, I'll just point the finger at you, ok? :-) |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | wouldn't be the first time |
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| 03:48.36 | czr | good :-) |
| 03:48.47 | czr | anyhow, sent the email to debian-users and debian-devel |
| 03:48.47 | mjoseph | abrotman: well, anyway, thank you for pointing this out, i was scratching my head |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | mjoseph: you're not the first |
| 03:50.39 | Guerin | http://www.attrition.org/postal/z/033/0871.html # attrition.org wins again |
| 03:51.52 | jello | Guerin: old news... |
| 03:52.02 | Guerin | jello: not for me :) |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | he's a student! |
| 03:52.13 | jello | Guerin: they fired the guy |
| 03:52.17 | Guerin | NO SHIT |
| 03:52.21 | Guerin | amazing |
| 03:52.24 | jello | he was a congressional aide at the time... |
| 03:52.27 | abrotman | we have standards! |
| 03:52.38 | jello | abrotman: yeah, don't get caught |
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| 03:52.56 | jello | :> |
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| 03:53.34 | jello | Guerin: he even has a page on wikipedia now... |
| 03:54.35 | jello | oh, they removed it... |
| 03:56.25 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 03:56.28 | teledyn__ | my cat has a page on wikipedia |
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| 03:56.32 | jello | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Todd_Shriber |
| 03:56.52 | Guerin | rot-26 FTW |
| 03:57.19 | abrotman | Guerin: jello http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NHSTprM4bHEJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Shriber+wikipedia+shriber&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
| 03:57.42 | abrotman | wikipedia isn't any fun anymore |
| 03:58.20 | jello | anyways, g'nite all |
| 03:58.51 | abrotman | wussy! |
| 04:03.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:03.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:03.43 | abrotman | that's my cue ... |
| 04:03.48 | odla | moo |
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| 04:06.34 | DavidProck1981 | when I get a 64 bit processor I will select ia64 to use the 64 bit os, correct? |
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| 04:07.04 | Kassah2 | DavidProck1981: depends on what processor |
| 04:07.19 | DavidProck1981 | intell processor |
| 04:07.28 | DavidProck1981 | intel |
| 04:08.07 | czr | which intel cpu? |
| 04:08.15 | czr | you mean the core/duo stuff that you can get cheap? |
| 04:08.20 | czr | x86_64 is the correct one |
| 04:08.29 | czr | ia64 = itanium. expensive stuff |
| 04:08.56 | czr | very nice too for some systems, but not for home users certainly or even for normal "web-serving" |
| 04:09.07 | guk | itanium was a huge failure |
| 04:09.08 | DavidProck1981 | going to get the nForce 680i motherboard, have not made a final decsion on the processor, but ya the duo corwe stuff |
| 04:09.23 | czr | guk, doesn't make it any less nice |
| 04:09.44 | lkthomas | hmm, I got a problem with passive mode ftp server, some client could get into ftp, some client can' |
| 04:09.46 | lkthomas | can't |
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| 04:10.08 | guk | no ... it just makes it really expensive to run ... unless your computing some hardcore scientific data ... the chip isn't really worth it ... nothing a fast x86 chip can't hack up |
| 04:10.12 | czr | lkthomas, maybe the clients that can't are using active |
| 04:10.25 | lkthomas | czr, hmm |
| 04:10.34 | czr | guk, as said, for certaing environments its very nice |
| 04:10.39 | czr | certain even |
| 04:11.09 | lkthomas | czr, is there have anyway which use firewall but allow ftp client connect server by active mode ? |
| 04:11.10 | perlmonk | Just a quick question before I sleep... :) linux, *bsd... any other free*nix I can use for free ? |
| 04:11.38 | odla | perlmonk: that's offtopic |
| 04:11.42 | DavidProck1981 | out of these whitch would I select for the intell processor that can run 64 bit OS? [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] |
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| 04:11.51 | czr | lkthomas, firewall on the server? sure. should work almost always |
| 04:12.05 | lkthomas | czr, but I can't get it work |
| 04:12.07 | odla | DavidProck1981: czr already told you |
| 04:12.10 | czr | DavidProck1981, please read the lines about x86_64 |
| 04:12.19 | lkthomas | czr, what's the ruleset for ftp active mode then ? |
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| 04:12.32 | czr | lkthomas, do you allow outgoing connections from your server? |
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| 04:13.09 | czr | active ftp: client connets to :21 on server, server connects to "random" port on client from port 22 was it |
| 04:13.27 | czr | lkthomas, so infact I'm not really sure whether a passive mode ftp server even exists |
| 04:13.27 | DavidProck1981 | I don't see any that say x86_64 |
| 04:13.28 | lkthomas | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ftp-data |
| 04:13.29 | lkthomas | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ftp |
| 04:13.39 | czr | DavidProck1981, [amd64] |
| 04:13.47 | czr | same thing. |
| 04:14.04 | DavidProck1981 | but what if it is not a AMD Processor |
| 04:14.04 | czr | lkthomas, INPUT? what about OUTPUT? or you have ACCEPT there? |
| 04:14.18 | lkthomas | czr, that's input + output |
| 04:14.20 | lkthomas | both are same |
| 04:14.24 | czr | DavidProck1981, [amd64] = architecture. not a processor. |
| 04:14.32 | czr | lkthomas, weird |
| 04:14.41 | jcole | how can i figure out which ttf file is associated with output from xlsfonts? |
| 04:14.46 | czr | although having same rules for input and output seems a bit funny to me :-) |
| 04:14.48 | jcole | for example, FreeMono.ttf is which xlsfonts entry(s)? |
| 04:14.59 | czr | lkthomas, I have to run though |
| 04:15.12 | czr | just did my first release on freshmeat and need to sleep now. |
| 04:15.32 | DavidProck1981 | would the Quad Core QX6700 work with that amd64 |
| 04:15.57 | czr | yes. stop asking the same question all the time. |
| 04:16.21 | DavidProck1981 | ok thank you |
| 04:16.38 | czr | amd64 == x86_64 == the 64-bit mode of CPUs that are aimed for the consumer market/servers |
| 04:16.45 | czr | it was originally developed by amd |
| 04:16.55 | czr | although they called it x86-64 anyway. |
| 04:17.10 | czr | for some reason Debian (or glibc) decided to use amd64 for the architecture name |
| 04:17.24 | czr | nowadays the arch has been fixed to be 'x86_64' instead |
| 04:17.30 | czr | same thing. different clothes. |
| 04:17.58 | czr | DavidProck1981, also EM64T == x864-64. |
| 04:18.07 | czr | DavidProck1981, intel uses that. |
| 04:18.13 | czr | that name I mean. |
| 04:18.20 | czr | but I need to get serious sleep -> |
| 04:18.43 | DavidProck1981 | how do I format a hdd with the terminal |
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| 04:19.05 | czr | man mkfs |
| 04:19.16 | czr | also man fdisk |
| 04:19.22 | czr | and a lot of time with google |
| 04:22.43 | DavidProck1981 | what file system type can allow you to read and wright the fastest compaired to the others? |
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| 04:25.18 | poh | why did dpkg try to replace the initrd image for my custom kernel? |
| 04:27.35 | poh | oh, on etch |
| 04:27.50 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it depends. Also, speed should not be your only concern. |
| 04:27.54 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 04:27.54 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 04:29.47 | Rusty1 | poh: perhaps you would share the dpkg command that you issued |
| 04:31.24 | poh | Rusty1: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:31.37 | poh | and I didn't think to pay attention to what was being updated |
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| 04:32.12 | n0cturnal_ | I'm trying to forward mail using maildrop, using "! address" to forward, but the mail isn't being sent. I have set the "SENDMAIL" variable manually, and it still doesnt work. any ideas? |
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| 04:34.08 | brussel | I see a lot of /usr/local/etc/... vs just /etc/... What's the agreed upon useage of the two? |
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| 04:35.34 | Guerin | brussel: read the FHS |
| 04:35.58 | brussel | Guerin, FHS? |
| 04:36.06 | Guerin | brussel: short answer fror debian: never use /usr/local except for custom-built stuff specific to that specific computer |
| 04:36.10 | Guerin | brussel: the FHS, yes. |
| 04:37.06 | Rusty1 | poh try removing whatever kernel-image your custom one is meant to replace |
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| 04:37.38 | brussel | Guerin, I've heard of RTFM but not FHS |
| 04:37.47 | Guerin | brussel: have you heard of google? |
| 04:38.03 | poh | Rusty1: thanks, I'll do that |
| 04:38.05 | brussel | Guerin, now I get it, you are being rude |
| 04:38.24 | Guerin | brussel: not at all, I'm telling you where to find the information you seek. |
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| 04:39.04 | epsilon | .oO 2 ignorants meeting on #debian |
| 04:39.39 | poh | brussel: he answered you. He not only gave you a concise answer, he gave you what you needed to look up more. |
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| 04:40.16 | brussel | yeah, ok... |
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| 04:40.49 | brussel | I make it a point to fire people who give attitude like that |
| 04:41.49 | poh | go ahead, try to fire him |
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| 04:42.19 | poh | maybe you should make it a point to try to fire people who demand that others do the work for them |
| 04:42.21 | brussel | ok, so we have a flame war going on here. |
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| 04:42.37 | brussel | i looked up fhs and there's nothing that immediately jumps out |
| 04:42.44 | brussel | making me think we've got jerks here |
| 04:43.10 | brussel | that's fine with me if you want to explain things with terms that aren't obvious and expect everybody to know you are baiting them |
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| 04:44.46 | Bhaal | Gawd, I dont even know what FHS is... |
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| 04:45.02 | brussel | Here's the answer I would have expected from a mature person: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard which explains how directories are organized |
| 04:45.06 | Guerin | brussel: the first hit *i* get for FHS is http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 04:45.23 | Guerin | which is EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED |
| 04:45.29 | krenin | Anyone know how to resume an "apt-build world" on Debian at the point where it left off last time...? |
| 04:45.37 | Guerin | so either you're using a broken google, or you didn't fucking bother to search |
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| 04:46.02 | Bhaal | Guerin: Simmer down mate... |
| 04:46.08 | brussel | Guerin, now I get it but I had no idea what the context of FHS was since I had not encountered it yet. |
| 04:47.17 | brussel | Now that I know what it's about thanks for the pointer. |
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| 04:49.04 | Rusty1 | !beer |
| 04:49.04 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 04:52.05 | lkthomas | does you guys use iptables state with NEW option too ? |
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| 04:55.52 | krenin | Goodnight. |
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| 05:03.03 | epsilon | lkthomas: if you expect incoming connection on a service (daemon) you offer... |
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| 05:03.57 | bokey | !seen itchi |
| 05:03.58 | dpkg | itchi is currently on #debian, last said: 'joan: Just aptitude install foo; reboot; done'. |
| 05:04.11 | bokey | itchi, how's 2007 treating you ? |
| 05:04.16 | bokey | itchi, :) |
| 05:06.25 | lkthomas | epsilon, for example, ftp ? |
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| 05:15.35 | itchi | bokey: Good good at 06:15 AM :-) |
| 05:16.01 | itchi | bokey: And you? |
| 05:16.07 | bokey | itchi, heheh |
| 05:16.14 | bokey | itchi, hny 2007 mate :) |
| 05:16.21 | bokey | itchi, good |
| 05:16.28 | itchi | bokey: You too, happy good newyear 2007 |
| 05:16.32 | epsilon | lkthomas: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" (and passive ports in another rule) if you are new in iptables, you should read the netfilter HOWTO, firewall HOWTO |
| 05:16.32 | bokey | itchi, hahha.. and you haven't slept or just woke up ? |
| 05:16.51 | itchi | bokey: A bit of the both, have gone sleep to fast yesterday :-) |
| 05:16.59 | bokey | itchi, heheh... |
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| 05:17.19 | bokey | itchi, been playing around with supybot |
| 05:17.22 | bokey | itchi, it's nice. :) |
| 05:17.24 | itchi | bokey: Playing with Django here :-) |
| 05:17.32 | bokey | itchi, heheh.. |
| 05:17.35 | itchi | Yeah, supybot rules too |
| 05:17.45 | samuel | where can i change the version number of debian? it says 4.0 but im running sid, is there a file somewhere where I can change that? /etc/debian_version does not seem to affect it... |
| 05:17.53 | itchi | bokey: Wana escape PHP |
| 05:18.06 | Guerin | samuel: don't change it, ignore it. |
| 05:18.14 | bokey | itchi, hehe :) that's some kind of framework for PHP ? |
| 05:18.22 | Guerin | samuel: it will change with time |
| 05:18.28 | itchi | bokey: Python!, please ;-) |
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| 05:18.34 | bokey | itchi, ahh.. :) |
| 05:18.34 | samuel | Guerin: to sid?} |
| 05:18.43 | itchi | bokey: Kinda nice Python framework |
| 05:18.47 | Guerin | samuel: no, it changes to testing/unstable |
| 05:18.56 | itchi | bokey: Forget that PHP, is so badly |
| 05:19.10 | bokey | itchi, I dunno PHP :( |
| 05:19.20 | itchi | bokey: That's a good begin :-p |
| 05:19.24 | samuel | Guerin: oh, ok... thx, its no big deal, just a little bothersome |
| 05:19.25 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. :) |
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| 05:21.12 | bokey | itchi, social networking fatigue. hehe.. / news.. hehe funny. i think it's serious issue now already ? |
| 05:21.36 | itchi | bokey: How so? What mean you? |
| 05:21.49 | bokey | !rss |
| 05:22.19 | lkthomas | epsilon, if I didn't tag the state on one of the ruleset, what would be the state of that line ? |
| 05:22.33 | itchi | bokey: liferea?? |
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| 05:23.10 | bokey | itchi, no dude. if you read slashdot there's an issue with social networking now.. fatigue.. so called. :) |
| 05:23.38 | n3kl | Hi. |
| 05:23.49 | itchi | bokey: Yup, got it |
| 05:24.02 | bokey | itchi, seriously how many kids are suffering from this so called "fatigue" by sn. it'd be interesting to know. :) |
| 05:24.23 | n3kl | I am having a problem with raid that I was hoping someone could help me with. I have a raid 1 array that has a failing disk. Supermicro server with an adaptec controller. I pulled the failing disk and put a fresh drive in the system. However, when I go into the controller configuration, it does not let me rebuild the array because it does not seem to allow the new drive to be added to the array. Does anyone have any possible solutions? Any h |
| 05:25.03 | itchi | bokey: I'm not a kid; problem solved; :-) |
| 05:25.44 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 05:25.54 | itchi | n3kl: Is it of the same capacity? |
| 05:26.50 | n3kl | itchi: Yes. The drives are identical in every way except the new healthy drive is sata 3G and the failed disk is 1.5G. |
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| 05:27.22 | itchi | n3kl: It's not software RAID? |
| 05:27.49 | Assid | hi |
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| 05:28.03 | n3kl | itchi: No, its an adeptec bios drive setup thingy |
| 05:28.08 | Assid | can someone help me with this error hdd: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 05:28.09 | itchi | n3kl: With the less knowledges i have about it, i think with hardware raid you should need to put identical the same disk, to a bite near |
| 05:28.43 | itchi | Assid: It's not your CDROM/DVD or a crap cd that are in it? |
| 05:28.50 | Assid | its a drive |
| 05:28.54 | n3kl | itchi: I am not looking forward to that.. |
| 05:28.55 | Assid | brand new for that matter |
| 05:28.56 | itchi | Looks some sad news then |
| 05:29.01 | Assid | WD320GB |
| 05:29.25 | itchi | Assid: Work that disk on another comp? |
| 05:29.40 | Assid | got it specially for this one.. |
| 05:30.00 | Assid | wanna add "backup server" support to this.. for storage |
| 05:30.17 | n3kl | itchi: thankws |
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| 05:31.09 | itchi | n3kl: Maybe some troubles with the controller, sad cable, not yet right plugged |
| 05:31.24 | itchi | wrong nick |
| 05:31.48 | itchi | Assid: Try to turn dma off?? |
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| 05:32.40 | Assid | itchi: this is before ext3 is mounted on the drive |
| 05:32.49 | Assid | after its mounted.. no errors |
| 05:32.59 | n3kl | itchi: the only reason I would rule that out, is that I was able to low-level format the new drive. So the controller seems to be linked with the drive fine |
| 05:33.08 | Assid | the drive has only 1 partition.. full 320GB - logical |
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| 05:35.54 | itchi | Assid: I dunno, still looks weird. You need to investigate it many more, before it maybe kill the stuff |
| 05:36.04 | n3kl | could I use dd to mirror a drive from a failing disk to a healyth disk? |
| 05:36.15 | Assid | itchi: what you suggest i do |
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| 05:36.50 | itchi | n3kl: No, just plug the new and it should be automatically sycn in background, dd will not help, like the raid system us a special bit locate somewhere |
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| 05:37.22 | Dumuser | can anyone tell me about basic requirement for server setup |
| 05:37.35 | itchi | Assid: At this stage, collect so fast as possible many info, unplug the drive, and search |
| 05:37.55 | icicled | Dumuser, what kind of server? |
| 05:38.00 | Assid | the drive is in a remote location |
| 05:38.00 | Dumuser | i am student and just want to setup server |
| 05:38.05 | itchi | Dumuser: Depend what you need for a 'server', server means all and nothings at the same time |
| 05:38.15 | Assid | Dumuser: a desktop will do |
| 05:38.16 | Dumuser | web server apache2 |
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| 05:38.42 | icicled | hmm, just install apache2 using synaptic or whatever & look at the recommended additions in synaptic |
| 05:38.51 | icicled | that would be a good starting point |
| 05:38.52 | itchi | Dumuser: Install the base system + the stuff you need; and make it an LAMP |
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| 05:39.05 | Dumuser | i have installed apache2 |
| 05:39.09 | samuel | why does gnome-power-manager work in etch but not in testing/unstable? |
| 05:39.19 | icicled | Dumuser, are you going to serve dynamic content then? |
| 05:39.20 | itchi | Dumuser: Maybe some fancy dynamic stuff, such as PHP |
| 05:39.24 | Dumuser | lamp is installed |
| 05:39.41 | Dumuser | but dont know how to setup apache2 |
| 05:40.00 | icicled | what do you mean 'setup' ? |
| 05:40.10 | Dumuser | there is no setup = configure |
| 05:40.19 | Dumuser | oops |
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| 05:40.32 | Dumuser | setup = configure |
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| 05:41.07 | grendal_prime | whats the command to see where you downloaded a package from? |
| 05:41.26 | itchi | grendal_prime: apt-cache policy foo |
| 05:42.05 | Dumuser | there is no httpd i found on my machine |
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| 05:42.33 | samuel | for suspend/hibernate: from what I can see, its not gnome power manager, but hal that has no "back-end for operating system", it does in etch? |
| 05:42.34 | itchi | Dumuser: It's apache ;-) |
| 05:42.35 | Dumuser | there is only one file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 05:43.10 | itchi | Dumuser: What want you to do? Or what mean you with 'there is no httpd i found on my machine'? |
| 05:43.24 | Dumuser | itchi: then how to configure apache |
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| 05:43.54 | Dumuser | i heard that httpd is daemon for apache2 to start |
| 05:43.59 | linux2 | does anyone know how i can add users to certain groups? |
| 05:44.05 | itchi | Dumuser: Look if it's already running ps aux | grep apache Start,stop,restart the server /etc/init.d/apache start|stop|restart |
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| 05:44.10 | linux2 | i cannot seem to find it on google for some stupid reason |
| 05:44.28 | Dumuser | itchi: ok |
| 05:44.48 | Dumuser | itchi: i got you |
| 05:45.02 | Dumuser | itchi: yeah it is working |
| 05:45.23 | Dumuser | NOW i want to configure apache |
| 05:45.38 | itchi | linux2: man adduser |
| 05:45.58 | itchi | Dumuser: dpkg -L apache2 and look to the diff file he show you?? |
| 05:45.59 | linux2 | itchi: will it work for already existing users? |
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| 05:46.26 | eitan | hello again |
| 05:46.55 | itchi | linux2: adduser david tester; Adding user `david' to group `tester' ...;Done.; Logout; login back; |
| 05:46.58 | Dumuser | itchi: /. |
| 05:46.58 | Dumuser | /usr |
| 05:46.58 | Dumuser | /usr/share |
| 05:46.58 | Dumuser | /usr/share/doc |
| 05:46.58 | Dumuser | /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
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| 05:47.14 | linux2 | itchi: thanks, just wanted to make sure |
| 05:47.21 | itchi | linux2: man adduser :-) |
| 05:47.29 | eitan | Is there someone here who can answer a debian q? |
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| 05:47.39 | itchi | linux2: I not want to shoot you, but look to /msg dpkg grounding |
| 05:47.56 | eitan | hello? |
| 05:47.59 | linux2 | itchi: sorry |
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| 05:48.49 | itchi | linux2: No, trash the first line that dpkg tell there, i just want that you have a good reference near your hand ;-) |
| 05:48.51 | eitan | )!( |
| 05:48.53 | itchi | !fish |
| 05:48.53 | dpkg | [fish] FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 05:49.03 | itchi | linux2: ^^ |
| 05:49.05 | Kvant | Dumuser, try this to see what apache2 packages there are: dpkg -l "*apache2*" |
| 05:49.27 | linux2 | itchi: lol, thanks i shall remember that |
| 05:49.32 | itchi | Kvant: He have found it, debhelper are sure too ;-) |
| 05:49.33 | eitan | !help |
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| 05:50.30 | itchi | linux2: Just not take it bad, i dunno why, but some not like that way ^ |
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| 05:50.42 | Dumuser | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/302419 check this output |
| 05:50.42 | eitan | heloooo |
| 05:51.01 | sid | This application keeps opening when I login to gnome. It's the burning software, from when I burned an image last week. |
| 05:51.08 | sid | How do I have it stop opening when I login? |
| 05:51.26 | Kvant | Dumuser, apache2 is a dummy package, the real stuff are in other apache2-* pkgs |
| 05:51.45 | itchi | Dumuser: Yeah, listen to Kvant ;-) |
| 05:51.56 | Dumuser | Kvant: ok |
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| 05:52.27 | linux2 | itchi: nope i get it completely and i appreciate it :-) |
| 05:52.34 | itchi | linux2: ;-) |
| 05:52.34 | eitan | ~-~---~~~-~--~--~-~-~---~~~~-~--~ |
| 05:52.40 | itchi | eitan: Want some beer? |
| 05:52.43 | itchi | !beer eitan |
| 05:53.00 | eitan | !attention |
| 05:53.01 | dpkg | i heard attention is YESSIR |
| 05:53.09 | Dumuser | Kvant: http://pastebin.ca/302422 this is the output |
| 05:53.20 | eitan | !assistance |
| 05:53.27 | eitan | !information |
| 05:53.31 | itchi | !selftell |
| 05:53.32 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 05:53.40 | itchi | :-p |
| 05:54.22 | eitan | is anyone ready to answer a simple question? |
| 05:54.26 | itchi | eitan: Your nick is been registred? |
| 05:54.26 | Kvant | Dumuser, try "dpkg -L" on apache2-mpm-prefetch and apache2-common |
| 05:54.45 | Dumuser | Kvant: ok |
| 05:54.48 | itchi | !tell eitan -about ask |
| 05:55.33 | eitan | Where can I find a list of debian repositories for synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, etc? ... my dvd's are old, and it seems to think that's the latest debian. |
| 05:56.11 | itchi | eitan: No, the list should be right, you just want to update your software; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; done |
| 05:56.30 | eitan | .... software, debian, everything... |
| 05:56.35 | Dumuser | Kvant: apache2-mpm-prefetch not installed |
| 05:56.36 | itchi | eitan: Sure |
| 05:56.54 | eitan | what I'm trying to say is that it seems to insist on getting everything from the dvd's except for security updates. |
| 05:57.13 | itchi | eitan: Run you Sarge? |
| 05:57.18 | eitan | yes |
| 05:57.48 | itchi | eitan: Run apt-setup as root user, select the type and mirrors you want, and then maybe #comment the lines about your DVD |
| 05:57.48 | eitan | Does anyone here use synaptic or are you all stuck in textville? |
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| 05:57.58 | sid | eitan: "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" type that as root. |
| 05:58.13 | gnat_x | what do i do if apt is giving me a 404 for a package name that i give it? |
| 05:58.14 | itchi | eitan: It's in /etc/apt/sources.list to do |
| 05:58.19 | gnat_x | should i run update? |
| 05:58.26 | itchi | gnat_x: apt-get update |
| 05:58.45 | Dumuser | Kvant: |
| 05:58.53 | itchi | (gona trash apt-get of my spirit, like i use aptitude :-p) |
| 05:58.58 | Kvant | Dumuser, ah: apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 05:59.16 | sid | eitan: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on www.rafb.net/paste and put the url in here. |
| 05:59.17 | eitan | Where does apt-get update get it's list? |
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| 05:59.38 | TGPO | eitan, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:59.40 | itchi | eitan: From the differents mirros defined in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:59.51 | gnat_x | eitan: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:59.59 | eitan | it's pathetic... it lists my 2 dvd disks and security.debian.org |
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| 06:00.17 | itchi | eitan: Yup, apt-setup as root user |
| 06:00.27 | Dumuser | Kvant: it is installed |
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| 06:00.50 | Kvant | Dumuser, yes, i know; your "dpkg -l" list said so |
| 06:01.08 | Dumuser | Kvant: now what next? |
| 06:01.17 | itchi | eitan: BTW, avoid maybe FTP |
| 06:01.21 | eitan | what's a better source, ftp or http? |
| 06:01.26 | sid | eitan: echo "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; echo "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 06:01.27 | Kvant | Dumuser, you can try "dpkg -L" on it to see what's in it |
| 06:01.32 | itchi | !ftpmustdie |
| 06:01.32 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 06:02.19 | eitan | ok... i'm working on it. |
| 06:02.31 | Dumuser | Kvant: i just want to configure web server for my project so that i can ssh it from anywhere |
| 06:02.36 | itchi | eitan: If you got spare time, read that ftp killer |
| 06:03.10 | eitan | what's the difference between binary (deb) and source (src) ? |
| 06:03.20 | sid | eitan: Type the command I gave you, then add etch security(from the topic) and you'll be set. |
| 06:03.30 | itchi | Dumuser: You not need a webserver so that you can ssh it from anywhere |
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| 06:03.52 | itchi | Dumuser: Want you 'ajaxterm'?? |
| 06:03.52 | sid | eitan: binary is 0's and 1's(machine code), the source code is a programming language, similar to english(some of them) |
| 06:04.01 | sid | eitan: You want binaries. |
| 06:04.28 | itchi | eitan: Put the both ;-) |
| 06:04.43 | itchi | eitan: You gona need it in the futur |
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| 06:04.54 | Dumuser | itchi: i have inatall lamp + ssh server |
| 06:05.17 | itchi | Dumuser: Yeah, ssh is default installed :-p |
| 06:05.34 | Dumuser | Kvant: what to find in the output of dpkg -L |
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| 06:05.54 | Kvant | Dumuser, .conf files, maybe? |
| 06:06.00 | Dumuser | itchi: i just want to know how to configure apache |
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| 06:06.25 | itchi | Dumuser: dpkg -L foo give you the all the files that are installed, that commando i usefull to see where he have stored the stuff, so that you can look where the docs are located for example |
| 06:06.34 | eitan | ok |
| 06:06.37 | eitan | read about ftp |
| 06:06.38 | eitan | thanks |
| 06:06.42 | itchi | Dumuser: Look on debian-admin ;-) |
| 06:06.44 | eitan | ... working on it... |
| 06:07.00 | itchi | Dumuser: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 06:07.28 | Dumuser | Kvant: http://pastebin.ca/302451 the o/p |
| 06:07.30 | itchi | Dumuser: But there's a bunch of good site, just take these you look (and recommended to take a look to the others too) |
| 06:07.56 | itchi | Dumuser: You need apache2-doc |
| 06:08.01 | Dumuser | itchi: please give the site names |
| 06:08.11 | itchi | Dumuser: Look above ^ ;-) |
| 06:08.16 | Guerin | Dumuser: httpd.apache.org |
| 06:08.27 | malex | Hi. I've installed a usb 2.0 card (NEC controller). ehci_hcd detects it afaikt based on dmesg output. However, plugging devices into its ports doesn't elicit any reaction from the kernel. the on-board uhci_hcd works fine as two devices I have plugged in there work ok. I'm lost at this point and googling doesn't brin up anything I've not done already. |
| 06:08.40 | Dumuser | apache2 doc installed but /localhost/manual gives no o/p |
| 06:08.57 | Guerin | malex: what devices, and which ports? (back, front, etc)? |
| 06:09.07 | sid | eitan: You running the commands? |
| 06:09.18 | Kvant | Dumuser, there's more stuff in apache2-common, presumably |
| 06:09.26 | itchi | Dumuser: dpkg -L apache2-doc; and read the stuff |
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| 06:09.46 | Guerin | Dumuser: file:///usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/ |
| 06:10.04 | eitan | working on it |
| 06:10.05 | malex | Guerin: the on-board is usb 1.1 (BX440 motherboard) with two ports in the back, which are both used atm (keyboard and external network adapter). the new card is a pci card with 5 ports. |
| 06:10.38 | itchi | malex: A USB hub/switch? |
| 06:10.46 | Guerin | malex: ok, and you're plugging directly into the card? Any lights come on? What devices are you plugging in |
| 06:10.51 | malex | itchi: it's a hub. |
| 06:11.00 | Guerin | itchi: what part of `pci card with 5 ports' is unclear? |
| 06:11.16 | malex | Guerin: When I plug in an external usb hdd its indicator lights on, so the power is going to it. |
| 06:11.25 | Guerin | ok, that's the main thing |
| 06:11.33 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, not saw the usb word in it :-p |
| 06:11.39 | malex | But there is absolutely nothing in dmesg output and the devices list for it is empty. |
| 06:11.41 | eitan | it said I should use a mirror that's close to me on the net... I selected http, but it still is giving me ftp sites.... does debian.org have an http server? |
| 06:12.16 | Guerin | malex: ehci runs on top of ohci or uhci - find out which your onboard controller uses, find out which the pci uses. The one for the pci may not be loaded. |
| 06:12.20 | itchi | eitan: It's probably http://ftp.atmoon.net ?? |
| 06:12.36 | malex | Guerin: uhci (intel chipset). |
| 06:12.44 | Guerin | malex: ok. And the NEC is the same? |
| 06:12.57 | malex | Guerin: No, it's the ehci chipset. |
| 06:13.20 | Guerin | malex: no, ehci works ON TOP OF one of u or ohci. |
| 06:13.37 | Guerin | malex: so any usb device requires one of u or ohci plus ehci |
| 06:13.57 | malex | Guerin: I have both uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd compiled into the kernel, of course. |
| 06:13.59 | Guerin | malex: i would guess your NEC card is an ohci controller, and you need to load that to make it work. |
| 06:14.06 | eitan | does anyone here use synaptic? |
| 06:14.11 | itchi | (Gona continue to play with django :-p) |
| 06:14.15 | itchi | eitan: No, aptitude :-) |
| 06:14.25 | itchi | eitan: Had used it |
| 06:14.49 | itchi | eitan: But aptitude is so many better |
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| 06:15.29 | eitan | itchi: what is wrong with synaptic? |
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| 06:15.55 | malex | Guerin: no, it's 'ehci', not 'ohci'. That's what the manufactures tells in its manual and that's what dmesg shows - see http://pastebin.com/850061 |
| 06:15.56 | itchi | eitan: Yeah, you need to read some stuff about aptitude to use it right, there's an good manual about it; look to /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 06:16.05 | itchi | eitan: What's wrong with aptitude? |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | malex: no, you misunderstand. |
| 06:16.31 | itchi | eitan: I like cli, and aptitude is so easy remotely(ba does not matter remotely or not) |
| 06:16.32 | Guerin | malex: ALL usb2 controllers use TWO modules. |
| 06:16.44 | malex | Guerin: yes, in this case its ehci/uhci |
| 06:16.45 | eitan | itchi: i'm not trying to play an irc mind game... I just want to know why I shouldn't be using sysnaptic |
| 06:16.57 | Guerin | malex: ok. |
| 06:17.25 | itchi | eitan: aptitude is now the recommended tool by the Debian devs |
| 06:17.46 | itchi | eitan: But i compare apt-get vs aptitude |
| 06:17.49 | eitan | I'm glad the debian debs don't recommend jumping off a cliff.... then what would happen? |
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| 06:18.00 | malex | Guerin: I've double and triple-checked that it's ehci and not ohci. http://secure.stratitec.com/product_info.php?cPath=9_211&products_id=809 |
| 06:18.16 | itchi | eitan: Yeah, Synaptic is kinda fine, to be honnest, just that i like many more aptitude |
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| 06:19.26 | eitan | itchi: can we talk about synaptic, because that's what I would like to use? |
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| 06:19.57 | itchi | eitan: Sure, if you like Synaptic, use it; if you want some advieses about package managers, i gona tell you to use aptitude :-) |
| 06:20.06 | malex | Guerin: However, the devices plugged into it do not get detected by the kernel for some odd reason :(. I wonder if having something plugged into the on-board 1.1 controller prevents kernel from working with the new 2.0 controller... |
| 06:20.17 | eitan | itchi: fine... ok aptitude is much better, let's talk about synaptic now. |
| 06:20.18 | itchi | eitan: Like all, it's just a matter of choice ;-) |
| 06:20.51 | teledyn__ | eitan: aptitude is simpler than a gui-based package manager |
| 06:20.52 | itchi | eitan: The only thing i find useful with synaptic, is when you do some multiple researches one after one, it keep the list of searched keywords |
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| 06:21.33 | Guerin | malex: i should hope not. Try un/reloading the module? |
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| 06:22.42 | eitan | itchi: I have a feeling that synaptic is not detecting the latest versions of packages |
| 06:22.43 | itchi | eitan: If you like gui stuff, synaptice is one of the best choice, if you want to know |
| 06:22.54 | malex | Guerin: I have both uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd compiled into the kernel not modular. |
| 06:23.07 | Guerin | malex: this is the problem with not using debian kernels. |
| 06:23.11 | eitan | ok.. I love gui... I have gui skin mags in my stash. |
| 06:23.20 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:23.27 | eitan | Ok... let's talk about synaptic. |
| 06:23.36 | itchi | eitan: Have you hit the 'Reload' button? |
| 06:23.41 | eitan | yes... |
| 06:23.46 | eitan | Help me test something... |
| 06:23.48 | malex | Guerin: Older machine, so I've been running a custom kernel on it for years to squeeze more performance out. |
| 06:24.01 | itchi | eitan: Your been on Sarge? |
| 06:24.06 | Guerin | it must be older if it's usb1.1 |
| 06:24.10 | eitan | Do you know of a package that was updated recently? One to which you know the exact version #? |
| 06:24.17 | eitan | I'm on sarge |
| 06:24.28 | malex | Guerin: BX440 chipset back from 90's |
| 06:24.31 | eitan | I want to see if my synaptic is aware of it. |
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| 06:25.02 | itchi | eitan: You want to look to the /var/log/dpkg* log to see wich stuff was installed/purged/... ? |
| 06:25.23 | eitan | no. I don't want to look at some file... I just want to conduct a simple test... |
| 06:25.36 | itchi | eitan: Did an Sarge update this night, last was a week or so ago; There's was nothings to update. |
| 06:26.08 | itchi | eitan: Sarge not get so many updates btw |
| 06:26.14 | eitan | Can you tell me what the latest version of package ______ <-- package name here is? |
| 06:26.32 | eitan | fine fine enough about sarge.... some unrelated package... |
| 06:26.45 | itchi | eitan: I not understand, for wich package look you? |
| 06:26.57 | itchi | (is very bad with english) |
| 06:26.58 | eitan | Well for example... I was looking at wine. |
| 06:27.50 | itchi | eitan: It's at version Version: 0.9.25-1 |
| 06:27.51 | eitan | The wine website says that the latest version is 0.9.27 .... synaptic says it's 0.0.2 |
| 06:28.00 | itchi | eitan: Yeah! |
| 06:28.10 | linux2 | quick question |
| 06:28.12 | itchi | eitan: Sarge have many older packages, hence better stability |
| 06:28.14 | eitan | so I know that something is wrong with synaptic's repostory list. |
| 06:28.18 | linux2 | for some reason my comp keeps resetting the system clock |
| 06:28.19 | itchi | linux2: Run! |
| 06:28.33 | linux2 | and i cannot get it to not do so, so when i boot my comp its always a couple of hours off |
| 06:28.40 | icicled | linux2, maybe its time to switch the battery on your motherboard |
| 06:28.43 | linux2 | and i have to manually set it |
| 06:28.50 | icicled | or use ntp |
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| 06:28.53 | linux2 | icicled: humm, brand new laptop |
| 06:29.01 | linux2 | icicled: i have had many laptops that do this |
| 06:29.04 | icicled | use ntp =] |
| 06:29.09 | icicled | that's strange |
| 06:29.10 | itchi | linux2: Is it always near the same time he goes back? |
| 06:29.12 | linux2 | none of my desktops do it |
| 06:29.30 | eitan | well let me tell you this, then synaptic thought that the latest kernel was 2.4.27 until I did a manual apt-get of the kernel |
| 06:29.34 | linux2 | itchi: no, its always about 4 hours behind local time |
| 06:29.49 | linux2 | or at least i think, gotta figure out the time here |
| 06:29.53 | icicled | linux2, that means that you didn't set up your timezoen properly |
| 06:29.53 | linux2 | ok make that 5 hours |
| 06:29.54 | eitan | I have a strong suspicion that the package list in synaptic is not updating properly |
| 06:30.05 | linux2 | icicled: looks correct to me |
| 06:30.14 | itchi | eitan: Do apt-cache show wine |
| 06:30.21 | icicled | lindenle, maybe its the way you let debian handle the system clock |
| 06:30.24 | icicled | err |
| 06:30.26 | itchi | eitan: Or s/show/policy/ |
| 06:30.29 | icicled | sorry lindenle |
| 06:30.34 | linux2 | icicled: America/New_York |
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| 06:30.57 | icicled | linux2, did you set your system to clock to UTC or localtime? |
| 06:31.28 | linux2 | icicled: humm, i remember just commenting out UTC. i didn't specifically say localtime |
| 06:31.31 | famir | hi, how can i lock user in his directory ? |
| 06:31.42 | eitan | apt-cache said that the latest version is 0.0.2 |
| 06:31.57 | itchi | famir: You want to play with permissions? |
| 06:32.18 | famir | itchi: no just to lock him there ! |
| 06:32.23 | icicled | famir, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_chroot_login |
| 06:32.30 | icicled | gentoo but i'm sure you can adapt |
| 06:32.36 | itchi | famir: It's not yet clear what you want :-) |
| 06:32.47 | itchi | famir: Put the door before him?? |
| 06:33.34 | icicled | itchi, he wants to jail his user to the user's home directory |
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| 06:33.40 | famir | itchi: i dont what him to have the option to see other files on the system |
| 06:33.46 | icicled | so he can't see anything outsude /home/user |
| 06:33.57 | itchi | icicled: Wooaa, your smart to understand :-) |
| 06:34.04 | famir | icicled: tnx |
| 06:34.07 | icicled | np |
| 06:34.25 | icicled | itchi, nah, i just think i knew what he wanted |
| 06:34.25 | cableroy | how can i choose not to upgrade some packages with apt-get ? |
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| 06:34.42 | linux2 | icicled: Tue Jan 2 20:34:22 EST 2007 |
| 06:34.54 | malex | cableroy: put them on hold |
| 06:35.00 | itchi | cableroy: Look to /msg dpkg hold |
| 06:35.02 | linux2 | icicled: that should really be: Tue Jan 3 1:34:22 EST 2007 |
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| 06:35.29 | eitan | itchi: can you tell me what version of wine your apt-cache is showing? |
| 06:35.36 | itchi | linux2: Nice, you got 5 hours more of life :- |
| 06:35.42 | enouf | itchi: do yourself a favor please and bitchslap that asshole already .. |
| 06:36.06 | linux2 | enouf: talking about me? |
| 06:36.07 | cableroy | dpkg did not finish all i think heh packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 06:36.08 | dpkg | cableroy: that's too long |
| 06:36.16 | enouf | malex: you'll ,ost likely never see 2.0 speeds ona 440bx set |
| 06:36.25 | linux2 | UTC=no |
| 06:36.26 | itchi | eitan: Version: 0.0.20050310-1.2 |
| 06:36.28 | icicled | linux2, what does 'cat /etc/timezone' say? |
| 06:36.37 | eitan | why is it so outdated? |
| 06:36.39 | linux2 | icicled: America/New_York |
| 06:36.44 | icicled | er |
| 06:36.54 | enouf | malex: though the card should work .. modprobe everything usb and scsi you can sd_mod, etc |
| 06:36.59 | itchi | eitan: I think i have paste the version of wine on an Etch box before |
| 06:37.02 | icicled | linux2, i think that is misconfigured, so run 'tzconfig' as root |
| 06:37.03 | linux2 | icicled: its a weird isue |
| 06:37.18 | enouf | linux2: ofcourse not |
| 06:37.32 | enouf | itchi: smack that bitch! |
| 06:37.32 | famir | exit |
| 06:37.42 | malex | enouf: I only had 2 ports in the onboard controller, which is why I bought the pci card - don't care about the speed, just want the devices to be recognized. |
| 06:37.44 | enouf | piss ant kid! |
| 06:37.53 | itchi | enouf: What's happend? ;-) |
| 06:37.54 | linux2 | enouf: Universal Time is now: Wed Jan 3 01:37:35 UTC 2007 |
| 06:37.58 | Guerin | malex: can you turn the onboard off in bios? |
| 06:38.01 | linux2 | o whoops |
| 06:38.07 | linux2 | icicled: thats for you |
| 06:38.11 | icicled | ? |
| 06:38.17 | icicled | k |
| 06:38.18 | linux2 | icicled: the one to enouf up above |
| 06:38.20 | malex | Guerin: I could try. I'm also installing the Debian 2.6.18-3 kernel right now, will try that, too. |
| 06:38.26 | enouf | Understand .. checked with lsusb, lshal , hwinfo, lwhw, lspci for more info and recognition? |
| 06:38.29 | linux2 | icicled: local time is still that couple of hours behind |
| 06:38.39 | icicled | linux2, as it should be |
| 06:38.45 | eitan | itch: why is the wine listed so outdated? |
| 06:38.51 | icicled | cause you live on the East coast of the US, right? |
| 06:38.58 | linux2 | icicled: yeah |
| 06:39.08 | icicled | ok, so it should be GMT - 5 hours |
| 06:39.09 | linux2 | so UTC is right but Local is wrong |
| 06:39.10 | icicled | which is normal |
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| 06:39.17 | icicled | UTC is GMT time |
| 06:39.18 | RickyRay | can i install linux on the same partition as windows xp is on? |
| 06:39.21 | icicled | localtime is GMT - 5 |
| 06:39.23 | icicled | for you |
| 06:39.28 | itchi | eitan: Cause of back of the time when Sarge was release, the version number was at that level. Sarge does not a package upgrade, only provide security fixes |
| 06:39.30 | icicled | for me its, GMT - 6 |
| 06:39.37 | linux2 | icicled: so how to get that to work right, should i turn UTC on |
| 06:39.41 | icicled | no don't |
| 06:39.42 | itchi | s/release/released/ |
| 06:39.43 | icicled | its ok |
| 06:39.55 | icicled | linux2, just make sure that /etc/timezone says 'US/Eastern' |
| 06:39.58 | icicled | no quotes |
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| 06:40.13 | icicled | run 'tzconfig' as root from the console/terminal |
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| 06:40.40 | itchi | eitan: You know, Debian have three diff releases, with each his own spirit, stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:40.46 | icicled | linux2, take a look here for more info: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 06:40.55 | enouf | !fish fuckface FISH! |
| 06:41.00 | icicled | with that, i'm off to watch some tv |
| 06:41.01 | enouf | hahah |
| 06:41.33 | linux2 | icicled: o interesting |
| 06:41.33 | itchi | enouf: Your weird the last time herer |
| 06:41.51 | linux2 | icicled: my desktop which is debian etch and the time works fine has nothing in the timezone file |
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| 06:42.44 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to disable high-speed USB for a time? |
| 06:43.06 | SerajewelKS | this card reader is acting up, dmesg seems to indicate that high-speed is the problem |
| 06:43.18 | itchi | s/last msg/trash/ |
| 06:43.20 | icicled | rmmod ohci_hcd |
| 06:43.36 | icicled | i think thats the usb 2.0 module |
| 06:43.38 | eitan | itchi: I understand now. |
| 06:43.51 | icicled | SerajewelKS, do that, and then re-insert the card reader |
| 06:44.04 | eitan | new question... |
| 06:44.12 | SerajewelKS | icicled: i thought that might do it, just making sure before i try |
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| 06:44.23 | icicled | =] |
| 06:44.31 | malex | enouf: lspci and lsusb output <- http://pastebin.com/850075 |
| 06:44.34 | linux2 | icicled: thanks, looks like i got it :-) |
| 06:44.48 | malex | icicled: ohci_hcd is not compiled in and there is no module. |
| 06:44.49 | itchi | Guys, give 'django' a try! Gona continue to play with it :-p |
| 06:44.54 | eitan | What is a typical amount of memory that sarge uses while running gnome? |
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| 06:46.09 | enouf | malex: I'll look at that .. you look here http://www.linux-usb.org/ |
| 06:46.10 | SerajewelKS | sweet my mouse died when i did that |
| 06:46.26 | teledyn__ | eitan: i have no idea. i have 2GB so i don't worry about it. |
| 06:46.28 | RickyRay | how do i use irc on debian? |
| 06:46.35 | malex | It looks like the 2.0 HCD is recognized as the bus1 and the 1.1 HCD is set up as bus2, but the kernel only recognizes devices on bus2 |
| 06:46.40 | ofer0 | RickyRay, what do you mean ? |
| 06:46.42 | eitan | right... can you please do a quick check and tell me? |
| 06:46.46 | itchi | RickyRay: Use a good client, irssi i the best :-) |
| 06:46.51 | malex | enouf: I've read through that site already and did all steps they list. |
| 06:47.00 | teledyn__ | RickyRay: apt-cache search irc and install one of the clients |
| 06:47.02 | RickyRay | how and where can i download that when i'm using the linux command prompt |
| 06:47.07 | itchi | !irssi |
| 06:47.08 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 06:47.13 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:47.20 | ofer0 | I prefer Xchat |
| 06:47.23 | RickyRay | so i type apt-cache and that is the linux web browser? |
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| 06:47.44 | ofer0 | RickyRay, what, you like copy stuff from dpkg's quots ? |
| 06:47.45 | itchi | Heh, the geekes of all, i used xchat long time and now like many more irssi |
| 06:47.46 | ofer0 | quotes* |
| 06:47.54 | teledyn__ | eitan: i'm using kde and right now it claims 2004276 is used but i don't think its actually all being used |
| 06:47.55 | malex | RickyRay: irssi-text could be run in a "screen" session in perpetuity. Works great. |
| 06:48.30 | malex | RickyRay: apt-cache is a front-end to the package database used for searching for packages and for reading information about them. |
| 06:48.31 | RickyRay | i'm new to linux so i don't know what perpetuity or even how to run the linux web browser |
| 06:48.31 | itchi | Not used RAM is loosed RAM! |
| 06:48.32 | enouf | malex: apt-get update && apt-get install hwinfo lshw dmidecode .. then pastebin then output of 'dpkg -l hal hotplug udev' |
| 06:48.41 | teledyn__ | eitan: probably my web browser's eating up the most - about 10% |
| 06:48.58 | eitan | right... that's wierd.... first: why does it say that 2 gigs is being used when it's not, second: how can you tell how much memory is REALLY being used? In other words... how do you know when you don't have enough ram and need to go buy more? |
| 06:49.02 | teledyn__ | eitan: if you turn of gui effects it uses less |
| 06:49.13 | lkthomas | anyone could shows a working config for iptables with ftp server please ? |
| 06:49.18 | teledyn__ | eitan: you can type "free" |
| 06:49.28 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.39 | itchi | teledyn__: Have 1 GB here, use fluxbox right now, and believe it my RAM is used :-) |
| 06:50.19 | malex | enouf: http://pastebin.com/850078 |
| 06:50.26 | enouf | malex: then as root hwinfo --usb ..then alternate/use with --usb-ctrl, --hub, --pci .. use --help for more info |
| 06:50.26 | itchi | lkthomas: #iptables ?? |
| 06:50.34 | teledyn__ | itchi: well i guess it gets *used* in terms of being occupied, but a lot of it is probably very low volume |
| 06:50.35 | lkthomas | itchi, no one around there |
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| 06:51.20 | itchi | teledyn__: Mem: 1002 982 20 0 173 233 |
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| 06:51.45 | itchi | teledyn__: Swap is not used, still 0 |
| 06:52.00 | RickyRay | how do i start a web browser in linux? |
| 06:52.17 | itchi | RickyRay: cli or gui ? |
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| 06:52.37 | itchi | !tell basanta -about root |
| 06:52.40 | enouf | malex: ok .. 'lshal | grep ' |
| 06:52.44 | teledyn__ | itchi: i have /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax = 33554432 |
| 06:52.50 | enouf | malex: I mean lshal | grep info.linux.driver |
| 06:52.52 | ofer0 | RickyRay, he's copying stuff from dpkg's quotes. no need to answer him |
| 06:53.04 | itchi | teledyn__: Same here |
| 06:53.12 | ofer0 | itchi, I meant you |
| 06:53.25 | RickyRay | cli |
| 06:53.27 | eitan | I understand about the versions now... |
| 06:53.34 | itchi | RickyRay: he, take the db of dpkg man! |
| 06:53.47 | icicled | RickyRay, use elinks |
| 06:53.50 | icicled | apt-get install elinks |
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| 06:53.56 | icicled | and just type, elinks |
| 06:54.00 | icicled | then press g |
| 06:54.05 | teledyn__ | itchi: i have 4 items below 10%, and the remainer are all below 2% |
| 06:54.07 | ofer0 | I prefer w3m |
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| 06:54.20 | eitan | It seems like various software packages unrelated to the kernel are tied together by debian as a "bundle" and the debian gods decided what versions would be in what packages. So if I'm using sarge, I'm stuck at certain version numbers for various packages. |
| 06:54.28 | RickyRay | the db of dpkg man? |
| 06:54.43 | ofer0 | eitan, sarge doesn't update |
| 06:54.59 | ofer0 | eitan, if you want updates - use etch |
| 06:55.05 | sid | yes it does, sarge gets bug and security fixes. |
| 06:55.14 | RickyRay | whats command to see what kernal i'm running? |
| 06:55.19 | ofer0 | RickyRay, uname -r |
| 06:55.23 | itchi | eitan: But you got the _best_ stability! |
| 06:55.25 | sid | You should dist-upgrade to the latest sarge packages before you upgrade to etch, for a proper transition. |
| 06:55.25 | RickyRay | k |
| 06:55.28 | ofer0 | sid, I was talking about software updates, of course |
| 06:55.33 | itchi | oeg, i shut up :-p |
| 06:55.46 | eitan | free: 18120 ... I have 18k left to play with.... maybe I can code and copile a linux version of pong. |
| 06:55.56 | teledyn__ | 6 instances of konqueror, about 8-10 konsoles, some with multiple tabs, browser, a few pdf docs open. not much really |
| 06:55.59 | RickyRay | whats the command to start the debian gui? |
| 06:56.28 | ofer0 | RickyRay, please stop |
| 06:56.29 | eitan | When people say stability... do they mean os stability or application stability? |
| 06:56.34 | RickyRay | lol |
| 06:56.37 | ofer0 | eitan, both |
| 06:56.38 | itchi | NOT used RAM is loosed RAM! |
| 06:56.49 | teledyn__ | RickyRay: the "gui" is called the "x server" (after Xorg). start it from the command-line with startx |
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| 06:56.50 | RickyRay | stop asking crappy questions? |
| 06:56.52 | eitan | itchi: why? |
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| 06:56.57 | itchi | Be happy that your whole ram is used! |
| 06:57.02 | RickyRay | aight |
| 06:57.04 | ofer0 | RickyRay, yeah, stop that |
| 06:57.04 | YeTr2 | I'm having issues w/ hardware support. while running in the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel after install, my pcmcia 3com 10/100 network card worked. A few repeative warning messages, but no real bother to me. when I switch to the newest sid kernel of 2.6.18-3-486 kernel, the pcmcia card just doesn't want to work anymore. |
| 06:57.07 | teledyn__ | RickyRay: or install a kdm or gdm |
| 06:57.12 | eitan | itchi: why? |
| 06:57.17 | enouf | malex: see if you can get all these i list loaded .. http://pastebin.com/850083 |
| 06:57.30 | eitan | itchi: how will I know when I'm really running out and need to buy more? |
| 06:57.45 | RickyRay | lol i'm new to linux |
| 06:57.48 | teledyn__ | eitan: *always* install as much as you can. seriously. |
| 06:57.51 | itchi | eitan: If your ram is not used, have you need to have that ammount of ram? You can been take a ram line and put i to another computer that way |
| 06:57.54 | teledyn__ | RickyRay: welcome |
| 06:58.07 | RickyRay | last time i looked at linux. there was something called x-windows in redhat, back in 1999 |
| 06:58.16 | enouf | malex: atleast grep -i <keyword> /boot/config-`uname -r` to see iof it's built-in avaialble ==m or =y for your jkernel |
| 06:58.28 | eitan | itchi: I don't understand you. |
| 06:58.31 | itchi | eitan: Use free, atop, htop and look |
| 06:58.36 | RickyRay | but people were telling me x-windows sucked and if i liked x-windows i might as well use windows 98 se |
| 06:58.46 | RickyRay | so i did and haven't look at linux since, that is until now |
| 06:58.50 | teledyn__ | RickyRay: yes its the same. well Xorg forked from xfree86 but its the same |
| 06:58.56 | eitan | epc:/# atop |
| 06:58.56 | eitan | bash: atop: command not found |
| 06:59.04 | malex | enouf: lshw - http://pastebin.com/850079; hwinfo --usb - http://pastebin.com/850082; lshal | grep usb - http://pastebin.com/850084 |
| 06:59.11 | itchi | eitan: Every time you use somethings, it's leaved in the memory, in hope you gona use it again; so that it will be go many faster the next time he need it |
| 06:59.15 | malex | enouf: lsmod won't help as I have it all compiled into the kernel. |
| 06:59.21 | eitan | epc:/# htop |
| 06:59.21 | eitan | bash: htop: command not found |
| 06:59.30 | Xorm | top |
| 06:59.35 | teledyn__ | RichiH: actually in '99 there were good window managers. you got bad info man. |
| 06:59.51 | RickyRay | in 1999 the distro i used was redhat |
| 06:59.51 | YeTr2 | RickyRay: maybe a more generalized linux support channel would be better for you. |
| 07:00.03 | teledyn__ | i remember going to a computer show with a small ricoh magio laptop running enlightenment and people were tripping on it |
| 07:00.04 | RickyRay | i'll join $Linux |
| 07:00.07 | RickyRay | #linux |
| 07:00.08 | ofer0 | heh, why the fuck are you answering him? |
| 07:00.12 | Xorm | IN '99 I was 8. |
| 07:00.18 | eitan | 15 megs free |
| 07:00.21 | ofer0 | don't you understand he's trying to make a joke ? |
| 07:00.33 | ofer0 | Xorm, like my little brother |
| 07:00.35 | itchi | RickyRay: You have dumb friends(or those you told it), sorry |
| 07:00.50 | teledyn__ | what? |
| 07:01.08 | teledyn__ | what did he do??? |
| 07:01.16 | teledyn__ | ofer0: ??? |
| 07:01.17 | eitan | .... I thought linux was supposed to be a lean mean fighting machine... not a bloated memory hog. |
| 07:01.18 | itchi | 07:58:36 < RickyRay> but people were telling me x-windows sucked and if i liked x-windows i might as well use windows 98 se |
| 07:01.19 | YeTr2 | so. anyone have any clues as to why my pcmcia card doesn't want to work while I'm using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:01.22 | malex | enouf: my kernel config usb section - http://pastebin.com/850086 |
| 07:01.38 | ofer0 | teledyn__, who did what? |
| 07:01.41 | RickyRay | it sucked because no video cards were supported. well people were complaining |
| 07:01.54 | RickyRay | like their voodoo cards i think it was |
| 07:01.54 | YeTr2 | eitan: show me a pastebin of the output of 'free' |
| 07:01.55 | teledyn__ | ofer0: i don't know. i thought you were talking about RickyRay ? |
| 07:02.01 | RickyRay | and that savage 3 or something |
| 07:02.03 | ofer0 | YeTr2, are you using the same module ? |
| 07:02.03 | RickyRay | hehe |
| 07:02.09 | YeTr2 | ofer0: yes |
| 07:02.10 | ofer0 | teledyn__, yeap, I talk about RickyRay. |
| 07:02.11 | enouf | malex: apologies .. you'll have to sort it yourself .. try a Debian kernel-image perhaps .. i can only point you to some possible ways in finding a solution for yourself |
| 07:02.19 | ofer0 | YeTr2, anything special @ dmesg ? |
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| 07:03.00 | malex | enouf: Thanks. Going to reboot into a Debian linux-image for more testing. |
| 07:03.04 | teledyn_ | ooop |
| 07:03.12 | YeTr2 | pretty much nothing aisde from the "omg there's a network card there" while reading the output when running 2.4 |
| 07:03.15 | itchi | RickyRay: Us can not change the world, us can try to make it better. |
| 07:03.16 | teledyn_ | was that everyone or just my connection? this server disconnects all the time |
| 07:03.24 | ofer0 | teledyn_, the server's fine |
| 07:03.42 | ofer0 | YeTr2, I'm talking about the output when you run the 2.6 kernel |
| 07:03.44 | teledyn_ | wonder why that occurs. doesn't with other servers. |
| 07:03.51 | eitan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4992 |
| 07:04.14 | itchi | teledyn_: There was no bananasplit, so maybe your ISP?? |
| 07:04.22 | YeTr2 | ofer0: doesn't really report anything that I've noticed |
| 07:04.31 | teledyn_ | itchi: but other irc connection was fine |
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| 07:04.39 | ofer0 | YeTr2, which module is used to get your card working? |
| 07:04.56 | teledyn_ | itchi: yeah on on a noisy wlan but that shouldn't break the connection |
| 07:05.50 | YeTr2 | ofer0: it should be the 3c574_cs |
| 07:05.51 | itchi | teledyn_: I bit weird, i not see your 'quit' here |
| 07:06.02 | itchi | s/I/A/ :-/ |
| 07:06.04 | teledyn_ | itchi: oh wait maybe the other did just disconnect also |
| 07:06.28 | teledyn_ | itchi: yeah it won't quit - it just drops - the relogs me in with a _ after my nick |
| 07:06.44 | ofer0 | YeTr2, and you sure you load it in the 2.6 version, right? |
| 07:06.53 | itchi | teledyn_: Yeah, teledyn__ |
| 07:07.02 | enouf | icicled: I was NOT referring to you earlier either :-) |
| 07:07.03 | YeTr2 | ofer0: I'm looking at it in lsmod right now |
| 07:07.21 | teledyn_ | itchi: yep. i cycle between , _, and __ |
| 07:07.32 | YeTr2 | 3com 10/100 lan +56k modem model 3ccf3m556 B |
| 07:07.33 | itchi | teledyn_: maybe try - :-p |
| 07:07.34 | ofer0 | YeTr2, are you in 2.6 right now? |
| 07:07.39 | YeTr2 | ofer0: yes |
| 07:07.53 | ofer0 | YeTr2, please provide the output for lspci and lshw as root |
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| 07:09.05 | teledyn | oops someone owns teledyn:-p |
| 07:09.05 | teledyn | wtf? |
| 07:09.09 | itchi | teledyn: Look to the last use of that nick?? |
| 07:09.41 | itchi | teledyn: /msg nickserv info teledyn Near new as nick |
| 07:10.06 | ofer0 | teledyn, you might want to register your nick |
| 07:10.09 | itchi | teledyn: So it's not your nick, you should change it now |
| 07:10.11 | teledyn | it is |
| 07:10.14 | lindenle|afk | Anybody know a good tool for real time log monitoring in a terminal? |
| 07:10.17 | Treibholz | hmm, no xlock anymore in Etch... What's a good alternative? |
| 07:10.21 | YeTr2 | ofer0: don't have lshw installed |
| 07:10.23 | Guerin | lindenle|afk: tail |
| 07:10.25 | lindenle|afk | I mean other than tail -f |
| 07:10.29 | itchi | teledyn: ok then ;-) |
| 07:10.35 | Guerin | Treibholz: xscreensaver is overkill |
| 07:10.38 | ofer0 | YeTr2, okay, what about the output for lspci ? |
| 07:10.40 | Guerin | but it does work |
| 07:10.47 | lindenle|afk | Guerin: Im thinking multiple logs and only pull out signifigant events |
| 07:11.00 | Treibholz | Guerin: I just want to lock my screen when I press "pause". |
| 07:11.06 | Guerin | Treibholz: mm. |
| 07:12.06 | eitan | A question regarding sarge stability: |
| 07:12.45 | teledyn | lindenle|afk: maybe swatch |
| 07:12.46 | eitan | How can sarge be more stable in it's bundled applications if it holds some of them back at ridiculously primal alpha stages? |
| 07:13.14 | ofer0 | eitan, sarge doesn't contain beta or alpha software. only in very rare cases |
| 07:13.14 | eitan | For example: wine is only up to 0.0.2 or so in sarge, while the current wine is 0.95 or so.... |
| 07:13.28 | eitan | What do you call 0.0.2? release? |
| 07:13.33 | YeTr2 | ofer0: http://yetrs.ath.cx:8080/~yetr2/debian/ |
| 07:13.33 | Treibholz | Guerin: xtrlock would be cool, if it would blank the screen... |
| 07:13.46 | teledyn | eitan: hehe |
| 07:13.58 | eitan | Isn't it true that wine .95 is probably more "stable" than wine 0.0.2 ? |
| 07:14.09 | teledyn | "ridiculously primal alpha stages" i like that :-) |
| 07:14.10 | lindenle|afk | !find swatch |
| 07:14.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'swatch' (2): swatch ;; swisswatch. |
| 07:14.15 | Treibholz | eitan: "stable" does not mean "doesn't crash", but "doesn't change" |
| 07:14.23 | itchi | !backports |
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| 07:14.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 07:14.31 | ofer0 | YeTr2, is it connected via pcmcia ? |
| 07:14.36 | eitan | ... what's the point of that? |
| 07:14.47 | YeTr2 | ofer0: yes |
| 07:14.50 | eitan | What is the benefit in "doesn't change" |
| 07:14.50 | eitan | ? |
| 07:14.55 | rronkiv | is there anyway to make my debian bootup trying to use a specific eth0 configuration? |
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| 07:15.09 | eitan | Stable should mean "doesn't crash." |
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| 07:15.20 | eitan | Doesn't change should be called "Static" |
| 07:15.31 | eitan | That's proper use of vocabulary. |
| 07:15.57 | Treibholz | eitan: I do not what to discuss about words. |
| 07:16.03 | teledyn | eitan: i agree. unstable should be called "developement" too |
| 07:16.03 | ofer0 | YeTr2, notice the caption "no driver" @ lspcmcia |
| 07:16.08 | blahdeblah_ | Is it possible to find out what sort of RAM a Debian machine has while it is running? (i.e. SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, etc.) |
| 07:16.12 | itchi | No, because it is not realy static, he get updates, but only security. READ on the website about releases please! |
| 07:16.17 | YeTr2 | ofer0: yeah, I've noticed that |
| 07:16.28 | rronkiv | Anyone? :( |
| 07:16.29 | eitan | Why stick with sarge if it is only to be "Static"? |
| 07:16.56 | blahdeblah_ | eitan: Because "static" lends itself to "stability". |
| 07:16.58 | lindenle|afk | teledyn: This looks very interesting indeed |
| 07:16.59 | eitan | What if I want TRUE stabilty ... not mearly immutability? |
| 07:17.03 | Treibholz | eitan: because most of the software in sarge doesn't crash. |
| 07:17.34 | teledyn | eitan: in production deployments you want maximum stability. in fact often policy requirements are that only necessary things get upgraded. |
| 07:17.56 | eitan | No... someone else just said that "stable" means "unchanging"... therefore sarge is not necessarily less crash prone than etch. |
| 07:18.13 | Treibholz | eitan: it means both. |
| 07:18.25 | teledyn | lindenle|afk: you know you can also use something like nagios - basically a monitoring system is like proactive logging. and nagios saves stats that you can view in multiple ways |
| 07:18.33 | itchi | The big problem with 'Etch/sid' is that the updates are so frequent, you always need to reconfigure some parts of your system after an upgrade |
| 07:18.35 | enouf | WILL EVERYONE PLEASE PUT "eitan" on IGNORE .. CAN'T YOU TELL IT's A TROLL? .. are you insane ppl ? .. yikes! |
| 07:18.35 | Treibholz | eitan: it's not just a snapshot. |
| 07:18.54 | enouf | I'm fscken outta here |
| 07:18.55 | blahdeblah_ | enouf: Good advice. |
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| 07:19.09 | eitan | Forget most... aptitude and synaptic have an ability to update particular packages without updating everything... why talk about most? Shouldn't aptitude and synaptic select the most "stable" version of any particular package, not merely the last version to come out when sarge was "frozen"? |
| 07:19.16 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:19.22 | eitan | what's at troll? |
| 07:19.29 | itchi | !troll |
| 07:19.29 | dpkg | i guess troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
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| 07:19.42 | teledyn | itchi: yeah there's no real happy middle ground between the two |
| 07:19.51 | eitan | What did I say that was rude or offensive? |
| 07:20.14 | ofer0 | YeTr2, try to modprobe axnet_cs, and check again for lspcmcia -v |
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| 07:20.27 | blahdeblah_ | rronkiv: The best way (if i'm understanding your question correctly) is to use DHCP. |
| 07:20.39 | rronkiv | thats just it blackelf |
| 07:20.39 | rronkiv | errr |
| 07:20.43 | rronkiv | blahdeblah_ im using VMWARE with DHCP, |
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| 07:20.49 | rronkiv | however i dont know if my dhcp is configuring properly |
| 07:20.52 | lindenle|afk | !tell me about nagios |
| 07:20.54 | itchi | teledyn: I use Etch on all my desktops, Sarge on pinda nut servers. Yeah, sometime it's little headaches after a update, when i forget to make a copy of the config file |
| 07:21.04 | YeTr2 | o change |
| 07:21.07 | teledyn | itchi: i wish there were a "stable" that updated every 6 months. 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to go without updates |
| 07:21.08 | YeTr2 | ofer0: no change |
| 07:21.17 | blahdeblah_ | rronkiv: THis is in the installer, right? |
| 07:21.27 | rronkiv | yes |
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| 07:21.39 | blahdeblah_ | Well it should tell you if it has worked when you configure the interface |
| 07:21.44 | teledyn | itchi: after that though, you start to want new versions/new features |
| 07:21.55 | eitan | enouf: what is your problem? |
| 07:22.02 | itchi | eitan: Looks like your problem is that you not so good listen to people that you should listen too, but listen to these that you should need to ignore. Trust us when we tell you somethings |
| 07:22.17 | blahdeblah_ | teledyn: Ubuntu? |
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| 07:22.30 | eitan | itchi: I don't understand your english very well. |
| 07:22.35 | teledyn | blahdeblah_: yeah but ubuntu is.... ubuntu |
| 07:22.59 | itchi | I have try it, i dunno how i could tell in an other way |
| 07:23.02 | eitan | I want to know why sarge froze various packages that could benefit from an upgrade? |
| 07:23.06 | rronkiv | ubuntu is starting to look like my only choice |
| 07:23.09 | rronkiv | :( |
| 07:23.29 | grndslm | can somebody help me figure out why my new monitor won't work...ACER AL2216W with Intel i815 graphics?? i've tried using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it autodetects and all...i've tried using all resolutions and all different bits... |
| 07:23.36 | itchi | eitan: Because new features == new bugs |
| 07:23.37 | rronkiv | LOL |
| 07:23.42 | ofer0 | YeTr2, http://www-oss.fnal.gov/fss/hypermail/archives/hyp-linux/0309.html |
| 07:24.00 | eitan | itchi: that assumes: new versions = new features |
| 07:24.03 | rronkiv | hey blahdeblah_ i fixed my problem i think |
| 07:24.08 | eitan | new versions != new features |
| 07:24.14 | teledyn | i think debian should have a server branch and a desktop one |
| 07:24.14 | blahdeblah_ | rronkiv: good to hear |
| 07:24.16 | itchi | eitan: Yup, but you kill the first rule of the Stable release |
| 07:24.20 | rronkiv | i found that i can type |
| 07:24.24 | eitan | new versions ~ old bugs killed |
| 07:24.27 | rronkiv | netcfg-disable_dhcp=true |
| 07:24.28 | blahdeblah_ | rronkiv: excellent! :-) |
| 07:24.58 | rronkiv | which means i'd be able to attempt a ping, after i set up the network |
| 07:25.02 | rronkiv | see if its getting network connection :P |
| 07:25.04 | itchi | eitan: Why worry about it, install Etch on your desktop, no one gona block it to your, just not cry when somethings got borked |
| 07:25.06 | blahdeblah_ | teledyn: What you're describing sounds more and more like Ubuntu |
| 07:25.20 | teledyn | and the server branch should cut out 98% of the packages and focus on the core 2% used for servers, and don't worry so much about the stability in the desktop one |
| 07:25.21 | Azar | grndslm: maybe is your video driver needing being installed? |
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| 07:25.24 | YeTr2 | ofer0: :( |
| 07:25.26 | ofer0 | YeTr2, hey man I have to go, If you'll be here we'll talk later. cya |
| 07:25.27 | eitan | No the first rule of the stable release should be: "each package is updated to the version with the fewest bugs." |
| 07:25.38 | grndslm | Azar: i have the right i810 driver |
| 07:25.47 | grndslm | module...whatever |
| 07:25.48 | andro_ | hello, how can i find out what kernel has an netinst image ? |
| 07:26.01 | itchi | eitan: DROP it! |
| 07:26.12 | blahdeblah_ | itchi: Stop feeding the troll |
| 07:26.14 | Azar | grndslm: so you say you just installed debian and your monitor does not work? |
| 07:26.18 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: Do you mean what kernel a netinst image has? |
| 07:26.20 | teledyn | because its outrageous to have a server distro with 98% of the useless crap that will never be used on a server, and all that crap shouldn't hold up of effect the server branch |
| 07:26.28 | itchi | Yup, i have give his last chance ... |
| 07:26.34 | andro_ | blahdeblah_ : yes |
| 07:26.34 | eitan | itchi: you're being rude. |
| 07:26.37 | multi_io | eitan: in order to find out which version has the fewest bugs, one has to run it for quite a while |
| 07:26.38 | Azar | itchi: don't waste your breath, he won't he will keep it up until gets sleepy |
| 07:26.56 | eitan | multi_io: I'm glad you're here... these people have not been very nice to me. |
| 07:26.57 | multi_io | which is why usually old=stable |
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| 07:27.01 | teledyn | s/effort/effort/ |
| 07:27.02 | itchi | Yeah, we never know, some people change ... Some others not :-p |
| 07:27.05 | grndslm | Azar: it was installed before, but I had a different monitor, that's why i ran dpkg-reconfigure to get the right resolutions, bit, etc.... |
| 07:27.10 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: Simplest way is to download it and loopback mount. |
| 07:27.14 | grndslm | then i upgraded to this Acer now |
| 07:27.40 | Azar | grndslm: try the monitor with another PC, maybe is the monitor issue |
| 07:27.45 | itchi | Looks like i have miss the party here then ;-) |
| 07:27.46 | multi_io | eitan: I'll go to bed shortly :-P |
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| 07:27.52 | andro_ | blahdeblah_ : can't do it without download ? |
| 07:28.08 | edison | Help i have idea to improve mozilla where can i put my ideas ? |
| 07:28.23 | blahdeblah_ | edison: irc.mozilla.org? |
| 07:28.27 | Azar | edison: to mozilla? |
| 07:28.44 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: I can't think of an easy way, unless you can find the build logs for the image. |
| 07:28.45 | teledyn | why should a release-critical bug for something like an IM client effect the release of a server release? |
| 07:28.45 | lkthomas | guys, if I want to load ip_conntrack_ftp module on startup, where should I insert the line ? |
| 07:29.02 | teledyn | or its lack of portability to some other platform? |
| 07:29.14 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: Which image in particular? |
| 07:29.20 | stoned | teledyn, because we're free |
| 07:29.21 | eitan | multi_io: I was basically asking why is it that debian releases are frozen as distributions? Instead of putting distributions in the "testing" "unstable" and "stable", why not put individual packages (including the kernel) in "stable" |
| 07:29.29 | eitan | "unstable" and "testing"? |
| 07:29.43 | teledyn | stoned: ? |
| 07:29.52 | edison | blahdeblah_ ok thank |
| 07:30.04 | stoned | !about debian |
| 07:30.05 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.06 | Azar | yee! hi stoned! |
| 07:30.11 | stoned | Azar, what up homie |
| 07:30.14 | eitan | multi_io: darn... sorry... |
| 07:30.19 | stoned | !aboutdebian |
| 07:30.22 | Azar | zombie can't sleep |
| 07:30.23 | stoned | goddamit |
| 07:30.28 | stoned | I can't! |
| 07:30.36 | stoned | my body is tired as hell man |
| 07:30.36 | Azar | me either |
| 07:30.38 | multi_io | eitan: there is a kernel package in the stable, testing, unstable |
| 07:30.40 | stoned | but I'm fully awake |
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| 07:30.50 | insmod | grndslm: i would just rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ backupor.old etc -- then just change the HZ VH to the ne one |
| 07:31.01 | stoned | I don't have a humidifier, and my nose burns cuz the air is too dry |
| 07:31.06 | stoned | is there a sort of a quick fix for this? |
| 07:31.07 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:31.30 | multi_io | eitan: you usually can'T combine packages from stable, unstable, testing etc. arbitrarily because packages depend on each other |
| 07:31.35 | Azar | stoned: I use a bowl with water in each of my rooms.. works |
| 07:31.38 | itchi | hhhmm, thinking to somethings for my irssi; if part; echo 'Gone! :-)' Is there already somethings? |
| 07:31.52 | stoned | wait |
| 07:31.56 | monokrome | Windows is faster than Linux. Why don't you people use a REAL operating system? |
| 07:31.58 | stoned | how big of a bowl? |
| 07:31.59 | andro_ | blahdeblah_ the snapshot of testing from today |
| 07:32.02 | stoned | Azar, and really? |
| 07:32.05 | blahdeblah_ | Let's try my question again: Is it possible to find out what sort of RAM a Debian machine has while it is running? (i.e. SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, etc.) |
| 07:32.07 | stoned | Azar, just water in a bowl? |
| 07:32.11 | teledyn__ | stoned: fill the bathtub with hot water |
| 07:32.22 | blahdeblah_ | stoned: Move to Brisbane. :-) |
| 07:32.22 | Azar | itchi: I never bothered to read the irssi doc but I am sure it tells how to put up a part message |
| 07:32.25 | eitan | multi_io: fine... then why not simply have dependency lists and have the aptitude install the right dependencies for what you want to install? |
| 07:32.28 | teledyn__ | run the shower on warm 10 first |
| 07:32.32 | Azar | stoned: yeah.. it works |
| 07:32.37 | stoned | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:32.38 | stoned | ? |
| 07:32.43 | Azar | dry and dusty here were I live too |
| 07:32.51 | stoned | blahdeblah_, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:32.58 | itchi | Azar: I want a script or somethings :-) |
| 07:33.05 | stoned | well |
| 07:33.09 | stoned | I guess that was useless |
| 07:33.11 | itchi | Azar: For when foo is gone ;-) |
| 07:33.12 | Azar | itchi wait there is a site with scripts for irssi |
| 07:33.17 | stoned | blackelf, nevermind |
| 07:33.25 | grndslm | insmod: what?!? |
| 07:33.26 | blahdeblah_ | stoned: Doesn't tell me the type of RAM |
| 07:33.29 | monokrome | anyone who uses linux needs to come to nowadays. Linux is old unsupported. Windows vista has POSIX now so its time to upgrade guys! How good could a free software be anyways? There's a reason you pay for what you get! |
| 07:33.39 | multi_io | eitan: aptitude does that! the apt tools are all about automatically discovering and installing dependencies as you install the packages you want |
| 07:33.40 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: I downloaded one a couple of days ago and the installer was 2.6.17, but during the install it downloaded & installed 2.6.18-3 |
| 07:33.42 | itchi | Azar: Yeah i know, there's a bunch of it, geek stuff that irssi, hhhhm |
| 07:33.45 | cast | andro_: linux is a kernel, heh. |
| 07:33.46 | insmod | grndslm: edit the file directly |
| 07:33.55 | grndslm | i've done it |
| 07:33.55 | cast | uh, monokrome , linux is a kernel, heh |
| 07:33.58 | blahdeblah_ | monokrome: LOL |
| 07:34.03 | teledyn__ | monokrome: pay for treachery |
| 07:34.09 | monokrome | cast: Vista has a better kernel |
| 07:34.13 | Azar | itchi: http://www.irssi.org/scripts/ |
| 07:34.14 | grndslm | insmod: i dunno what else to change, i've used all different resolutions and color bits, etc... |
| 07:34.27 | stoned | monokrome, what the fuck are you on? |
| 07:34.28 | eitan | multi_io: ok... then why does aptitude insist that the latest wine is 0.0.2 ? It's actualy 0.95 ! |
| 07:34.32 | blahdeblah_ | aargh! What is this - troll week? |
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| 07:34.37 | stoned | monokrome, I need some of what you're smoking man |
| 07:34.39 | stoned | seriously |
| 07:34.40 | monokrome | stoned: Maybe I should as you that |
| 07:34.42 | stoned | cuz that some wild shit |
| 07:34.45 | insmod | grndslm: hz vh |
| 07:34.47 | blahdeblah_ | stop feeding the trolls, guys! |
| 07:34.50 | teledyn__ | ""Possibly for the first time ever, computer design is being dictated not by |
| 07:34.51 | teledyn__ | electronic design rules, physical layout requirements, and thermal issues, but |
| 07:34.51 | teledyn__ | by the wishes of the content industry." thanks M$ |
| 07:35.00 | itchi | Azar: My problem is that i not know about perl, and some are badly documented :-/ Or maybe can i use Python? :-) |
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| 07:35.14 | grndslm | insmod: that's what i'm asking...what does hz vh mean? that looks like voodoo magic to me |
| 07:35.18 | YeTr2 | monokrome: you have some of the best spoken broken english I have ever seen. |
| 07:35.23 | monokrome | stoned: I like 2 have power & reliability & something that looks usable |
| 07:35.27 | Azar | http://www.garion.org/irssi/features.php << this one too oh you want to make your own scripts? |
| 07:35.28 | multi_io | eitan: there is a special "backports" repository somewhere which contains newer versions of many packages built in such a way that they can be installed on a "stable" system |
| 07:35.31 | monokrome | not just text |
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| 07:35.40 | monokrome | terminals are for the 60s |
| 07:35.44 | andro_ | blahdeblah_ perfect, thanx |
| 07:35.44 | monokrome | move to the new age! |
| 07:35.46 | stoned | monokrome, so vista is best for you.. not everyone in the world |
| 07:35.56 | stoned | monokrome, you can't factually say x is better than y |
| 07:35.58 | itchi | Azar: If python, yes :-) Otherwise i need first to learn about Perl |
| 07:36.00 | stoned | because its all subjective |
| 07:36.01 | blahdeblah_ | andro_: np |
| 07:36.02 | multi_io | eitan: I've never used that though, so I can't elaborate much further :P |
| 07:36.06 | monokrome | stoned: X is a hakjob! |
| 07:36.07 | cast | monokrome: i was under the impression one of MS's big recent features was a decent CLI? |
| 07:36.07 | stoned | I should type more on one line |
| 07:36.15 | stoned | monokrome, you mom is hakjob |
| 07:36.17 | eitan | what's a backport? |
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| 07:36.21 | stoned | !backport |
| 07:36.29 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ... |
| 07:36.30 | andro_ | cast: arr.. you lost me with that |
| 07:36.30 | Azar | :) |
| 07:36.36 | stoned | !tell eitan about dpkgbot |
| 07:36.40 | monokrome | plus |
| 07:36.48 | monokrome | windows x64 servers are fastest |
| 07:36.56 | monokrome | I read it on the installer |
| 07:36.57 | stoned | monokrome, prove it |
| 07:37.03 | rronkiv | LOL |
| 07:37.08 | monokrome | 00:36 < monokrome> I read it on the installer |
| 07:37.09 | Azar | monokrome: yep go to microsoft vista man.. |
| 07:37.14 | teledyn__ | stoned: i think he's being facetious |
| 07:37.14 | stoned | monokrome, show me an objective study and benchmarks done on it |
| 07:37.20 | stoned | teledyn__, hold on.. |
| 07:37.25 | monokrome | stoned: I have a bookmark |
| 07:37.25 | bhagabhi_ | monokrome: fastest at what? Searching for viruses? |
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| 07:37.28 | monokrome | i will findit |
| 07:37.30 | stoned | monokrome, paste it |
| 07:37.32 | Azar | wait he's gonna tell us now that dual core rocks |
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| 07:37.39 | teledyn__ | stoned: ok maybe not |
| 07:37.42 | YeTr2 | I have a bookmark too, it goes to goatse. |
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| 07:37.44 | multi_io | eitan: it appears you're currently using stable, which is why aptitude offers old versions of packages |
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| 07:37.47 | stoned | monokrome, show us the link. Back up what you are telling us with emperical evidence. |
| 07:37.48 | stoned | or stfu |
| 07:37.54 | stoned | those are your two choices |
| 07:37.55 | stoned | pick one |
| 07:37.57 | cast | Azar: hey dual core does rock :\ |
| 07:38.00 | monokrome | im finding it |
| 07:38.02 | monokrome | i said that |
| 07:38.13 | eitan | stoned: Who are you to tell me that I can't ask legitimate debian questions here... when most of you are just shooting the breeze about this and that ... you're just socializing. |
| 07:38.15 | Azar | cast: I am sorry if that hurt you, it does not |
| 07:38.26 | blackelf | I have damaged, unbootable debian bo |
| 07:38.31 | stoned | eitan, why should we help you when you can help yourself |
| 07:38.33 | teledyn__ | its full moon ! |
| 07:38.34 | blackelf | how to restore the MBR and /boot ? |
| 07:38.37 | eitan | stoned: If you think I should leave, then you should definitely leave first. How rude! |
| 07:38.38 | stoned | eitan, you want us to do your research for you |
| 07:38.38 | teledyn__ | can't everyone tell! |
| 07:38.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: What did you ask? |
| 07:38.44 | cast | Azar: i'm confused, whats the bad thing about dual core? |
| 07:38.44 | itchi | are is, you understand me :-p |
| 07:38.49 | Azar | dual core speed myth was invented by PC dealers to get you more bucks because you use two cpu's |
| 07:38.51 | stoned | eitan, you want us to answer FAQ which you can get the answers to elsewhere |
| 07:38.56 | stoned | eitan, you want us to wipe your ass too |
| 07:39.02 | stoned | eitan, cus its not gonna happen |
| 07:39.11 | stoned | eitan, how about I fuck your wife? |
| 07:39.16 | stoned | same logic right? |
| 07:39.21 | eitan | stoned: you haven't helped me. And I'm not asking you to. You are have no more right to be here than I do. So quit being rude. |
| 07:39.22 | monokrome | stoned: http://www.monokromatic.net/ |
| 07:39.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: Ok, now you're just being rude. |
| 07:39.26 | blackelf | how to restore the MBR and /boot on unbutable damaged debian testing box? |
| 07:39.31 | Azar | cast performance speaking dual core does same job, and in some instances aprox 3% slower than an amd FX series |
| 07:39.37 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, I'm being truthful |
| 07:39.38 | eitan | stoned: I don't want you to do anything for me. |
| 07:39.46 | stoned | eitan, then stop addressing me |
| 07:39.48 | stoned | thanks |
| 07:39.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: No, you're being unneccessarily rude |
| 07:39.56 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, ok |
| 07:39.59 | itchi | monokrome: Bastard |
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| 07:40.02 | stoned | monokrome, hold on |
| 07:40.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: I don't know what he asked, but it sure as hell didn't warrant that responce |
| 07:40.06 | eitan | stoned: get an adult vocabulary first. |
| 07:40.07 | cast | Azar: oh, but i do use two. and it was alot cheaper than a dual socket computer, is your argument that the need for SMP among the average user is nonexistant? and FX cpus are really expensive, low end X2 isn't |
| 07:40.14 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, let it go... |
| 07:40.18 | monokrome | stoned: http://www.monokromatic.net/ |
| 07:40.22 | chemaja | monokrome: hahahah |
| 07:40.22 | teledyn__ | i didn't think eitan was being offensive or OT at all earlier. just my opinion. i'll go duck in the corner now... |
| 07:40.33 | stoned | monokrome, thanks. Meet my best friend /ignore. |
| 07:40.39 | multi_io | monokrome: :-P |
| 07:40.41 | monokrome | LOL |
| 07:40.47 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.51 | monokrome | stoner_trolled++; |
| 07:40.52 | monokrome | rofl. |
| 07:40.59 | eitan | look... if the user groups around here actually had meetings instead of just static website, I would have made some friends and asked them all of the debian questions. |
| 07:41.09 | itchi | Hey people, already try that /ignore stuff?? :-p |
| 07:41.17 | Azar | cast: it is ok I mean if the PC works why not dual: but what bothers me when people say that dual gets better performance ... which is not true |
| 07:41.29 | stoned | Azar, eh.. |
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| 07:41.38 | stoned | Azar, I kinda have to disagree and agree |
| 07:41.39 | eitan | Unfortunately I'm stuck sitting in front of my computer for hours on end, which I don't like doing... just to get some answers to some basic questions that I have not been able to find elsewhere on the internet. |
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| 07:41.43 | Azar | stoned, yea use ignore, is that time of the night you know... |
| 07:41.47 | stoned | Azar, its subjective and relative to the use of applications |
| 07:42.01 | stoned | Azar, for desktop computing a multicore is awesome |
| 07:42.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: I know several overclockers who love Athlon X2's. |
| 07:42.04 | stoned | power users I mean |
| 07:42.14 | malex | This is the straw that broke a camel's back. I'm switching to a Debian kernel from a custom one after several years. My USB 2.0 problems solved. |
| 07:42.15 | stoned | I'd like to play doom3 while I burn a dvd |
| 07:42.18 | stoned | is that so much to ask? |
| 07:42.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: They say they give better performance than their P4s. |
| 07:42.32 | eitan | The problem with IRC is it attracts very immature and insecure types who lack respect in the outside world and use their internet connections to bully other people so that they can feel better about themselves. |
| 07:42.53 | stoned | eitan, that is exactly right. You must be a liscenced psychologist. |
| 07:42.57 | eitan | If you're not either asking a debian question or helping with a debian question then you shouldn't be here! |
| 07:42.58 | itchi | The only thing i know about duo core, is that the laptop goes 2x times faster in Debian as on XP, so i not complain :-) (that duo was on a good price when buyed) |
| 07:43.04 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: well, most people like to brag about the fact that they got the latest stuff out there and dual-core sounds impressive. Personally I am less than impressed about their performance |
| 07:43.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Look at the private message |
| 07:43.17 | malex | itchi: What's the laptop model? |
| 07:43.17 | eitan | stoned, your nick says it all. |
| 07:43.23 | stoned | eitan, thanks for judging me |
| 07:43.30 | itchi | malex: Toshiba Satellite A110-178 |
| 07:43.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: One of them is on freenode. Feel free to ask him, if you want to. Want the nick? |
| 07:43.31 | stoned | eitan, I just saw your maturity level |
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| 07:43.37 | stoned | Azar, quite right |
| 07:43.49 | stoned | Azar, however that is the marketing |
| 07:44.04 | stoned | Azar, marketing affects how people think |
| 07:44.05 | Azar | stoned, I have read benchmarks on dual for long now and my last PC purchase I was trying hard to avoid them. Alas the single core are hard to find, mostly now when the 939 is out |
| 07:44.07 | itchi | Normally i got an AMD, but finally it was a duo on the same price |
| 07:44.22 | Azar | guys |
| 07:44.34 | eitan | I was asking about why I'm forced into old versions of various packages just because I want a "stable" os. Like I was looking to get wine, and my aptitude says that I'm stuck with 0.0.2 ... I don't want to have to install every package manually. |
| 07:44.37 | stoned | Azar, of course. On a single threaded app a 3.0ghz single core is much better than a 1.5 dual core |
| 07:44.44 | cast | Azar: what kind of benchmarks is the question |
| 07:44.45 | stoned | Azar, its dependant on the application |
| 07:44.59 | eitan | I want to be able to get the best version of each individual package without subjecting myself to an unstable base os kernel. |
| 07:45.02 | itchi | Just tell my storry, not that i can tell that duo is better, i'm just happy about it. My previous laptop was a 300MHz, can you believe it ;-) |
| 07:45.03 | Azar | you know what my dream was? to get my hands on an amd athlon 3400, _that_ was my dream, was the best cpu for gaming. I was out of luck... is gone |
| 07:45.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: You aren't forced. You can upgrade to Sid and get new packages... |
| 07:45.21 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, don't recommend sid to users who hardly know how to use apt |
| 07:45.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: But Debian is an OS designed for reliability. Its stable version must be just that, stable. |
| 07:45.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: I'm just saying, if he wants bleeding edge, he can get it. |
| 07:45.46 | stoned | !sidfaq |
| 07:45.50 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 07:45.50 | malex | itchi: Sounds like a good machine for running debian judging from http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
| 07:45.51 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 07:45.59 | stoned | please read |
| 07:46.01 | multi_io | eitan: I've been using testing and unstable for years on the desktop, it's stable enough for that. |
| 07:46.03 | itchi | malex: It's my site hahaha |
| 07:46.14 | eitan | Dark_Apostrophe: If I could talk... I would be able to communicate and resolve this miscommunication faster... but I'm forced to type at 75 wpm.... |
| 07:46.16 | malex | itchi: LOL, you are kidding me :) |
| 07:46.39 | Azar | cast: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1797&page=5 << one of them |
| 07:46.50 | itchi | malex: No, look to the name, I'm David Van Mosselbeen, look to the source of the page, or google my name, you gona come on the GUICMS that i wroted btw :-p |
| 07:46.59 | eitan | Dark_Apostrophe: but I don't want an unstable base os kernel. I want everything to be stable AND updated. |
| 07:47.16 | stoned | eitan, then debian is not the distro for you |
| 07:47.18 | itchi | malex: 26 and 1 day, as prouve |
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| 07:47.40 | multi_io | eitan: the kernel in testing and unstable is quite stable AFAICS |
| 07:47.45 | stoned | eitan, cutting edge/latest software is not stable and shall NEVER be in stable without full testing and it must meet stable criteria |
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| 07:47.50 | itchi | malex: Look to http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/ ;-) |
| 07:47.51 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: eitan is a highly newbie at Debian, expect a lot of questions and goofs |
| 07:48.10 | malex | itchi: I'm impressed. Good work. It looks like you've been around the block :) |
| 07:48.11 | Azar | fortunately multi_io is here to save the night |
| 07:48.17 | multi_io | eitan: never had a kernel crash as far as I remember |
| 07:48.22 | itchi | malex: I try ;-) |
| 07:48.42 | eitan | Then tell me why the "stable" version that sarge is supposed to be is locked in version 0.0.2 for wine... what is that supposed to be? That's laughable. |
| 07:48.51 | multi_io | Azar: that's not a question of "saving the night", it's more about communicating efficiently, if you know what I mean |
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| 07:49.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: He wants bleeding edge. He can expect problems with it, obviously. |
| 07:49.22 | eitan | ... ugh... |
| 07:49.25 | stoned | Azar, you suck |
| 07:49.29 | stoned | I dunno why |
| 07:49.29 | cast | Azar: i don't see any benchmarks on that page, unless they're in flash or something? [no flash since closed source sucks. [and thus we have no 64bit ver]] |
| 07:49.33 | stoned | but just letting ya know |
| 07:49.36 | stoned | ;) |
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| 07:49.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: #gnash |
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| 07:50.25 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: been thinking about that :> does it work good? |
| 07:50.26 | Dumuser | i am using phpmyadmin |
| 07:50.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: It works, but not very well yet. |
| 07:50.26 | eitan | .... I don't want "bleeding edge"... Is anyone willing to state unequivocally here that in the wine example that version 0.0.2 is the most stable release out? |
| 07:50.30 | stoned | eitan, no |
| 07:50.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: Basic web navigation works. Some videos work. Basic sound. No FLV yet. |
| 07:50.35 | eitan | ok then. |
| 07:50.39 | Dumuser | i got an Error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
| 07:50.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: Ported to dozens of platforms though. |
| 07:50.42 | stoned | eitan, 0.02 is not the stable latest wine |
| 07:50.54 | stoned | eitan, it is the latest package which meets the stable/debian criteria |
| 07:50.54 | eitan | ok... then why does my sarge not update it then? |
| 07:50.56 | Dumuser | can any one help me |
| 07:51.04 | stoned | eitan, the new version of wine is included in etch |
| 07:51.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | dist-upgrade? |
| 07:51.13 | Dumuser | i got a Error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
| 07:51.30 | ArtVandalae | Does the installer at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ come with the graphical installer? |
| 07:51.36 | stoned | eitan, when a distribution is locked, it means it cannot accept any new packages.. only bug fixes and security fixes to existing packages |
| 07:51.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | ArtVandalae: Yes. |
| 07:51.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | ArtVandalae: type installgui when you boot the CD. |
| 07:51.51 | stoned | eitan, everything else goes on in sid... if it is half assed stable, the package is moved into testing |
| 07:51.53 | ArtVandalae | Dark_Apostrophe, cheers |
| 07:52.08 | itchi | stoned: You want to read the #debian history back ;-) |
| 07:52.09 | eitan | .... I doubt anyone really checked to see that wine 0.0.3 0.0.9 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 etc... are LESS stable or MORE stable than 0.0.2 ... it sounds like with Sarge, people just stopped caring and said... "well that's it... let's put it aside and forget about it" |
| 07:52.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | ArtVandalae: Etch anyway.. |
| 07:52.13 | stoned | eitan, testing and stable both have their own criteria packages must meet in order to be in those repositories |
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| 07:52.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: Maybe he should dist-upgrade |
| 07:52.44 | stoned | maybe |
| 07:52.51 | stoned | switch to etch dude |
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| 07:52.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah. |
| 07:53.02 | stoned | its stable |
| 07:53.08 | multi_io | eitan: at some point you'll have to accept that stable only contains wine 0.02, you won'T change that be complaining about it loudly :P |
| 07:53.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Etch is testing, due to be stable in a few weeks. |
| 07:53.19 | stoned | multi_io, good point |
| 07:53.20 | eitan | .... that's not really the point though... I was told that various package versions are FROZEN in sarge... irrespective if a particular package in testing is finally deemed stable... |
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| 07:53.38 | malex | itchi: I see that played with supybot. I like it a lot, even wrote a couple of modules for it with one still in use by a project. |
| 07:53.44 | stoned | eitan, and if it is, it is only included in when this current testing goes stable |
| 07:53.59 | multi_io | to be fair, it has to be said that the old-ness of stable is a point that's being criticised by some people, not just by newbies |
| 07:54.01 | eitan | let's say that version .95 version of wine is declared stable tomorrow.... will it be listed as a possible upgrade in aptitude for sarge? NO... because sarge is frozen as it is. |
| 07:54.06 | stoned | eitan, like I explained earlier, stable is frozen and cannot accept new packages of any kind except bug/security fixes |
| 07:54.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Complaining about it here won't help you though. You can compile your own, or dist-upgrade- |
| 07:54.14 | stoned | eitan, if that is unacceptable to you, then don't use stable |
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| 07:54.21 | stoned | eitan, you have other choices. Quit complaining |
| 07:54.40 | multi_io | eitan: you have several choices: |
| 07:54.59 | multi_io | - wait a few weeks for teh current testing (etch) to become stable |
| 07:55.08 | multi_io | - use testing |
| 07:55.18 | multi_io | - use stable with the backports I mentioned |
| 07:55.20 | stoned | this laptop has been running sid for years now |
| 07:55.23 | multi_io | - use Ubuntu |
| 07:55.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | 107 release-critical bugs in Etch left... when will it end? |
| 07:55.40 | itchi | malex: Hehe, coool :-) Same Python interest :-) |
| 07:55.40 | multi_io | - use some other distro :) |
| 07:55.40 | stoned | it has had its bad days... broken packages.. faild grub.. failed pam |
| 07:55.40 | eitan | multi_io... I understand that... but that's not my point either... I'm trying to ask why aren't individual packages migrating from unstable to testing to stable, instead of entire distros being moved as blocks from unstable to testing to stable? |
| 07:55.40 | stoned | its still running rock solid |
| 07:55.48 | itchi | malex: I gona kill my GUICS |
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| 07:55.58 | itchi | malex: Want to use django now :-) |
| 07:55.59 | stoned | eitan, because the Earth is round... |
| 07:56.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Do a dist-upgrade to Etch. |
| 07:56.08 | eitan | multi_io: how do I enable aptitude to use backports? |
| 07:56.10 | itchi | malex: PHP suck to many :-/ |
| 07:56.16 | stoned | !backports |
| 07:56.16 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 07:56.37 | rogerm | I find Anjuta to buggy for my needs, is there an alternative IDE for gnome? |
| 07:56.38 | itchi | s/GUICS/GUICMS/ |
| 07:56.43 | eitan | stoned... you don't want to help, so just ignore me... I don't know why you feel it necessary to spend your time attacking me. You don't even know me. Is your time that worthless to you? |
| 07:56.48 | multi_io | eitan: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 07:57.01 | eitan | thanks multi... doing... |
| 07:57.04 | itchi | malex: Already tried django? |
| 07:57.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Use these as your sources and you can upgrade to Etch packages. |
| 07:57.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 07:57.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 07:57.15 | itchi | I learn learn it |
| 07:57.20 | stoned | eitan, do you realize that you just asked me if you're worthless... |
| 07:58.00 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.11 | itchi | I want to see the show :-p |
| 07:58.14 | stoned | eitan, and I wasn't attacking you. I took the time to explain to you what was going on |
| 07:58.27 | stoned | eitan, your on the defensive which is not my problem |
| 07:58.43 | stoned | eitan, take a deep breath, relax, and compile latest wine yourself. It is quite trivial |
| 07:58.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: Just have him upgrade to etch and finish this already. :P |
| 07:59.01 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, its been suggest to him multiple tiems by many people |
| 07:59.09 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe, it is obvious he wants to gripe and not do it |
| 07:59.10 | Dumuser | i got Error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
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| 07:59.23 | Dumuser | help what to do |
| 07:59.38 | stoned | Dumuser, is mysql running |
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| 07:59.46 | itchi | hhhmmm food |
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| 08:00.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list. Change everything from "stable" to "testing", then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:00.01 | Azar | stoned: calm down use /ignore eitan is here in chat session with multi-io.. |
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| 08:00.10 | malex | itchi: I did little web programming - wrote a single app in quixote and then switched to pylons. I think I'll stick to it. Never really tried django - was too magical when I looked at it. I heard they improved, but I was into pylons by then. |
| 08:00.32 | stoned | Azar, if you tell me to calm down i'll only smoke more |
| 08:00.36 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: he can't because will break his zip drive again and spend another three days here trying to find out how to fix it |
| 08:00.38 | stoned | Azar, why do want to kill me? |
| 08:00.53 | Azar | hey, I smoke too! lets go out have a cig |
| 08:00.54 | itchi | malex: Hhhmm, gona take a look to pylons, i'm still very new with django, but want to escape PHP |
| 08:00.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: Zip drive? Those still exist? |
| 08:01.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | One would've thought they'd be replaced by DVDrs a long time ago. |
| 08:01.29 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: hehe yes and I still have an external one somewhere here and a box with an internal one |
| 08:01.30 | malex | itchi: http://pylonshq.com/ - it's really worth a look. |
| 08:01.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: How much can those store? |
| 08:01.59 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: mine, 250MB |
| 08:02.00 | itchi | malex: Sure, gona look to it, need an alternative |
| 08:02.06 | Azar | good enough for small backups |
| 08:02.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: Even CDrs beat them... |
| 08:02.21 | malex | Azar gets an award for keeping a ZIP drive around! |
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| 08:02.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | USB pens are so cheap now that they too beat them |
| 08:02.40 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: tell that to eitan, he insists to use his zip drive with debian |
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| 08:03.01 | cast | usb2sata adaptors are pretty sweet too :> |
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| 08:03.15 | Azar | yeah, I intent to go for the usb sticks... I don't like the floppy/zip/cd media |
| 08:03.19 | malex | itchi: http://bycycle.org/blog/2006/08/17/foray-into-python-pylons/ and http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15171 talk about django vs. pylons, for instance. |
| 08:03.32 | stoned | if you find an affordable drive that spins fast enough to make use of sata2 then sure |
| 08:03.38 | stoned | otherwise sata2 is useless |
| 08:03.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Download Wine's source code, tar -jxf the file, cd into the new directory, ./configure --prefix=/usr && make depend && make |
| 08:03.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | then su and make install |
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| 08:03.59 | itchi | malex: Cool, thanks :-) |
| 08:04.26 | stoned | Azar, I want a usb woman |
| 08:04.28 | malex | itchi: The best part is that pylons is WSGI all the way, so if you don't like some component you can just plug in your favorite stuff and it works seamlessly. |
| 08:04.28 | stoned | I mean.. |
| 08:04.32 | stoned | umm.. |
| 08:04.32 | Azar | hehe |
| 08:04.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:05.12 | eitan | multi_io: are you still there? |
| 08:05.26 | eitan | Dark_Apostrophe: thanks for the suggestion. |
| 08:05.43 | Azar | I don't care much about cdrws since my fav music is on mod s3m xm formats |
| 08:05.44 | multi_io | eitan: yes |
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| 08:06.25 | sep | eitan, if you choose to install from source i recomend using /usr/local and not /usr makes it easier to isolate things that are not handeled by your package management system |
| 08:06.38 | sep | eitan, or use checkinstall + make install |
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| 08:07.11 | eitan | sep: you're talking about separately compiled and installed programs right? not the ones updated by aptitude... right? |
| 08:07.29 | eitan | multi_io: ok... I did the backend stuff... and it's not listing wine. |
| 08:07.30 | sep | eitan, yes like Dark_Apostrophe's suggestion |
| 08:08.10 | eitan | multi_io: I did deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 08:08.11 | sep | if you compile your own source put it in --prefix /usr/local |
| 08:08.20 | eitan | thanks sep |
| 08:08.43 | sep | afaik wine also have .deb's at thir site. if the ones in debian is too old |
| 08:08.43 | Azar | ook let's go see how many bugs are left.. |
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| 08:08.54 | eitan | multi_io: do I have to add any other "sections" besides main contrib and non-free ? |
| 08:09.05 | multi_io | eitan: no |
| 08:09.19 | multi_io | eitan: may backport doesn't contain wine |
| 08:09.23 | multi_io | *maybe |
| 08:09.31 | cast | Azar: mod s3m xm formats? |
| 08:09.34 | eitan | hmmm... then so if it's not listing the latest wine... maybe no one bothered to recompile it for sarge... |
| 08:09.38 | eitan | right? |
| 08:09.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Just compile it... it's not that hard... |
| 08:10.01 | teledyn_ | eitan: you may find this a useful doc: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 08:10.02 | eitan | Dark_Apostrophe: got it... I was just looking for an easier way... |
| 08:10.10 | multi_io | eitan: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/w/wine/ |
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| 08:10.20 | multi_io | so it seems it does contain it |
| 08:10.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: This is the easiest way |
| 08:10.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: Messing with repositories can often be more difficult, especially if something goes wrong. |
| 08:10.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | eitan: I've already given you all the commands, you just copy/paste them |
| 08:11.09 | Azar | yeeee 138 down from 150 this morning!! |
| 08:11.13 | Azar | cast, yes |
| 08:11.13 | eitan | Dark_Apostrophe: ok... thank you |
| 08:11.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: 138 what? |
| 08:11.28 | Azar | bugs |
| 08:11.29 | multi_io | eitan: did you do the preferences thing too? |
| 08:11.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: In what? |
| 08:11.37 | Azar | in etch |
| 08:11.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: If you mean Etch RC bugs, there are 107 |
| 08:11.50 | Azar | no kidding |
| 08:12.00 | Azar | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 08:12.05 | itchi | !tell eitan -about grounding |
| 08:12.16 | itchi | Take that as reference, there's many docs |
| 08:12.32 | eitan | multi_io: I did what the page said. |
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| 08:13.02 | multi_io | eitan: alright, so you added those lines to /etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:13.10 | eitan | itchi: stop trying to get rid of me... I wouldn't be here if I could find the answers to my questions elsewhere. |
| 08:13.12 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: my bad, I was looking at "all" there are only 99 left in etch |
| 08:13.27 | Azar | yay!!! 99 down from 150 |
| 08:13.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: 99? According to Debian's RC bugs page, there are 107 |
| 08:13.57 | Azar | according with bts turzimmer.net for etch only 99 |
| 08:14.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:14.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | It says 107 there |
| 08:14.13 | Azar | yea but turzimer updates every 30 min |
| 08:14.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 08:14.54 | itchi | eitan: You understand _nothing_ |
| 08:14.58 | eitan | multi_io: I don't want to keep you longer if you want to sleep... If you want to stay on longer, I have more q's. |
| 08:15.08 | multi_io | eitan: "apt-cache showpkg wine" shows you (under "Versions") what versions of wine there are |
| 08:15.16 | itchi | eitan: It was not to shoot you man |
| 08:15.18 | itchi | !fish |
| 08:15.18 | dpkg | i heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 08:15.46 | multi_io | eitan: I'm still eating :) but I'm off in 5 minutes |
| 08:16.23 | Azar | itchi the only person eitan understands is multi_io so don't waste your breath |
| 08:16.25 | teledyn_ | ok everyone pick 2 bugs and fix them in the next 15 minutes! |
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| 08:16.41 | itchi | Azar: I guess, it's his clone?? |
| 08:16.49 | Azar | teledyn_: hehe |
| 08:17.00 | itchi | hhhmm 561 people here :-) |
| 08:17.15 | Azar | itchi no, I guess not they only have randez-vous every night here where multi_io answers eitan's questions |
| 08:17.30 | teledyn_ | Azar: seriously, i see many that look like they could be addressed pretty quickly - like documentation issues |
| 08:17.37 | eitan | 0.9.25-1~bpo.1 - |
| 08:17.37 | eitan | 0.0.20050310-1.2 - |
| 08:17.37 | eitan | 0.0.20050310-1.1 - |
| 08:17.37 | itchi | Yeah, kinda weird |
| 08:17.53 | Azar | teledyn_: for some, reading is overrated... |
| 08:17.56 | eitan | ... so that means that 0.9.25 is available for download for sarge? |
| 08:18.11 | multi_io | eitan: there, the 0.9.25 is the backports version |
| 08:18.18 | eitan | multi_io: you're very nice... thank you. |
| 08:18.44 | multi_io | eitan: maybe you didn't do the preferences thing, or else I think it should show up in aptitude |
| 08:18.44 | itchi | I'm happy that people have learn me to fish Debian :-p |
| 08:18.55 | Azar | hehe |
| 08:19.05 | eitan | hmmm... maybe I didn't do it properly... |
| 08:19.15 | eitan | anyway... no prob... thanks. |
| 08:19.20 | multi_io | eitan: for a quick solution you could try the alternative mentioned on the instructions page |
| 08:19.23 | multi_io | i.e. |
| 08:19.33 | multi_io | apt-get -t sarge-backports install wine |
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| 08:22.32 | multi_io | ok, I'm off now |
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| 08:22.54 | eitan | multi_io: goodnight |
| 08:22.59 | teledyn_ | Azar: i just tried out the fontconfig "bug" and couldn't reproduce it. then again, i'm not trying to run skype in a 32-bit chroot on an amd64 |
| 08:23.51 | moshii | someone needs to sort out all the kde + scim bugs >_< |
| 08:23.52 | Azar | :) |
| 08:25.36 | itchi | Woooaa, i not thought fluxbox had such many bugs |
| 08:26.10 | eitan | teledyn_: thank you for your offer of help. |
| 08:26.13 | eitan | I'm off for now. |
| 08:26.15 | eitan | Bye all. |
| 08:27.59 | Azar | yesterday night he kept on "apt is not working" for 3 hours only because he would mis-spell the name of the package |
| 08:27.59 | teledyn_ | Azar: as for my second bug - i will join the hal mailing list and ask about the CD spindown issue. if i get an answer i'll try to append the bug report. |
| 08:27.59 | itchi | Weird, there are some bugs in fluxbox that i not have here with my fluxbox |
| 08:27.59 | moshii | is it possble to report a bug from another system other than the one with the bug.. I'm at work but I'd like a bug fixed for etch ;) |
| 08:28.05 | Azar | teledyn_: you will get, last month I e-mailed about aptitude hiccups and got answer.. |
| 08:28.07 | itchi | moshii: Via mail for example |
| 08:28.31 | Azar | moshii: yes, I use yahoo, I do not have local mail on my system |
| 08:29.06 | itchi | (i have fuxed the reporbug config, or i dunno how to config it right for my ISP) |
| 08:29.22 | moshii | Azar: I mean the reportbug thing usually collects a lot of package info from the machine in question |
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| 08:29.46 | itchi | moshii: There's an -option i thought |
| 08:29.52 | Azar | moshii yes indeed alas I asked my ISP to close down my 25 port.. |
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| 08:30.20 | moshii | itchi: I mean report the bug from a windows box really ;) ... logging in over my vpn hopefully |
| 08:30.21 | itchi | moshii: I think -o OUTFILE, --output=OUTFILE |
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| 08:30.53 | itchi | moshii: 'output the report to the specified file' |
| 08:30.58 | moshii | shit, I just remembered I brought my laptop into work |
| 08:31.11 | teledyn_ | Azar: check out nbsmtp for sending mail. i use it to send outgoing from mutt through my providers and it works great. even does SSL, CRAM-MD5, etc. |
| 08:31.14 | moshii | and there's me trying to ssh into it when it's right bloody beside me |
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| 08:31.58 | teledyn_ | Azar: actually the guy who made the debian version didn't compile SSL support in for some reason |
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| 08:33.23 | lkthomas | because they want to break debian |
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| 08:34.39 | Azar | I see some xmms plugins are being removed |
| 08:35.39 | moshii | Azar: switching to xmms2 maybe? |
| 08:36.16 | Azar | moshii: don't know, one is orphaned and another one has IP issues |
| 08:37.32 | Azar | xmms2 is the offender from what I can see |
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| 08:40.43 | qwert2 | Azar: IP issues? with xmms? |
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| 08:43.23 | rronkiv | my debian isnt using apt properly |
| 08:43.30 | rronkiv | unless the apt stuff is broken right now :( |
| 08:44.20 | SlayerXP | rronkiv: please wait whilst the channel psychics diagnose your fault using nothing but the power of their minds. |
| 08:44.32 | rronkiv | hmm lets see |
| 08:44.49 | rronkiv | i typed apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client php5 apache2 and it says mysql-server isnt a package |
| 08:44.56 | rronkiv | so i did apt-cache search mysql and i get no return |
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| 08:45.32 | itchi | apt-get install cristalball; echo 'fixed'; |
| 08:45.56 | rronkiv | huh |
| 08:46.13 | itchi | Nothings, just a big joke :-) |
| 08:46.20 | rronkiv | ya i know |
| 08:46.24 | itchi | rronkiv: Which release use you? |
| 08:46.27 | rronkiv | sence ; throws it to a new line and echo makes it say Fixed |
| 08:46.36 | rronkiv | debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 08:46.58 | rronkiv | i know its not my internet cause well, i can ping yahoo from it |
| 08:46.58 | Azar | qwert2: not xmms, just a plugin |
| 08:47.12 | itchi | rronkiv: With 'apt-cache search mysql' you get no output? |
| 08:47.31 | fireba11 | rronkiv: you dida apt-get update on an online repos ? |
| 08:47.45 | itchi | rronkiv: Maybe copy and paste the line here above, maybe you did a typo or so |
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| 08:47.58 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:48.07 | lkthomas | if I want to load some specific kernel module, what should I do ? |
| 08:48.13 | lkthomas | on boot time, I mean |
| 08:48.25 | itchi | lkthomas: Append it to /etc/modules |
| 08:48.28 | Azar | itchi, maybe I am wrong there were unfounded rumors about mysql and debian , later denied as valid news.. |
| 08:48.35 | cydork | rronkiv: and you have right sources.list? sources updated? |
| 08:48.43 | itchi | Azar: Hhmm, run it here |
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| 08:48.55 | lkthomas | itchi, so just insert module name, nothing else ? |
| 08:48.56 | rronkiv | i typed and i qoute. |
| 08:48.58 | rronkiv | "apt-cache search mysql" |
| 08:49.25 | itchi | !info mysql etch |
| 08:49.30 | Azar | itchi, the guys at mysql denied the fact that they refuse service for debian .. |
| 08:49.50 | itchi | ow, that looks some sad news |
| 08:50.12 | deadcat_ | i get this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 08:50.16 | deadcat_ | when i startx -- :1 on another console |
| 08:51.26 | cydork | !info mysql-server etch |
| 08:51.49 | itchi | hhhmm, but still find mysql-server here (is Etch and did aptitude update too) |
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| 08:51.59 | RickyRay | this is the error message that my fresh install of debian is giving me |
| 08:52.08 | cydork | itchi: it is there in etch. |
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| 08:52.20 | RickyRay | Failedto start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the server output to diagnose the porblem? |
| 08:52.20 | itchi | cydork: Yup, i have it, installed and so |
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| 08:53.08 | RichyRay | anyone know what my debian error means? |
| 08:53.37 | itchi | I use mysql of an little personal project too, hhhm maybe need to change soon, woooaa gona i jump to postgres ?? :-) |
| 08:53.41 | Fox | RichyRay: it means that xorg is not setup properly |
| 08:53.59 | RichyRay | whats the command to config it? |
| 08:53.59 | Azar | rronkiv: try using "aptitude update" then "aptitude upgrade" ... then "aptitude install <package>" |
| 08:54.26 | Azar | itchi, no worry was just a rumor, mysql will continue on debian |
| 08:54.27 | itchi | s/of/for/ grrr |
| 08:54.31 | protocol2 | can someone look at this and tell me what I can do to fix this http://channels.debian.net/paste/4993 |
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| 08:54.45 | itchi | Azar: That's good news :-) |
| 08:54.52 | protocol2 | I installed drivers from ATI and wondering why direct rendering dont work |
| 08:55.04 | protocol2 | can someone please help me? |
| 08:55.10 | RichyRay | the detailed log says. (ee) no devices detected. no screens found. |
| 08:55.17 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.30-1 (etch), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 08:55.17 | rronkiv | !info mysql etch |
| 08:55.21 | RvGaTe | Strange, dpkg doesn't have an entry for Joomla or Mambo |
| 08:55.21 | itchi | !drxx |
| 08:55.22 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 08:55.28 | itchi | RichyRay: ^^ |
| 08:56.15 | Azar | no devices? maybe the video driver is not installed? |
| 08:56.21 | monokrome | !info mysql-client etch |
| 08:56.27 | dpkg | mysql-client: (mysql database client (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.30-1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 08:56.32 | monokrome | !info mysql-serve retch |
| 08:56.35 | monokrome | !info mysql-server etch |
| 08:56.41 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.30-1 (etch), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 08:56.43 | rronkiv | i think i figured out my problem. |
| 08:56.44 | RichyRay | itchi, yes? |
| 08:56.52 | rronkiv | i dont think the base system is installed |
| 08:56.53 | itchi | !beer dpkg |
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| 08:57.33 | itchi | RichyRay: Have you see what dpkg told? |
| 08:57.42 | Azar | RichyRay: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or, if you have xorg xserver-xorg) |
| 08:58.02 | Fox | RichyRay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:58.11 | RichyRay | no i didn't |
| 08:58.16 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe is there nothings good to tell about it?? |
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| 08:58.30 | RvGaTe | itchi, you think so? :P haha |
| 08:59.13 | itchi | Some time it's better to say nothings that say somehtings what people not want to hear ;-) |
| 08:59.31 | itchi | Yeah, gone tuxtype a bit, i suck to many :-) |
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| 09:01.00 | cydork | RvGaTe: there was itp filed for joomla i dont know if it's in debian yet. |
| 09:01.21 | RichyRay | the first command (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) says package 'xserver-xfree86' is not install and no info is avail. this command (x-server-xorg) // commmand not found |
| 09:01.37 | rronkiv | ok monokrome, what now? |
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| 09:01.57 | RichyRay | i'm running debian etch |
| 09:02.06 | RichyRay | netinst is what i used |
| 09:02.07 | Fox | RichyRay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:02.09 | fireba11 | RichyRay: of course you were supposed to try "dpkg-reconfigure x-server-org |
| 09:02.12 | itchi | RichyRay: You have xorg on Etch, xfree is on Sarge |
| 09:02.21 | RichyRay | k |
| 09:02.29 | Fox | RichyRay: try connecting the neurona first :) |
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| 09:03.32 | RichyRay | fox, yes that one worked |
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| 09:05.34 | protocol2 | can someone please help me? |
| 09:05.47 | fireba11 | !tell protocol2 about ask |
| 09:06.29 | RichyRay | use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 09:06.36 | itchi | RichyRay: No |
| 09:06.43 | itchi | RichyRay: Better to avoid it |
| 09:07.33 | itchi | RichyRay: But no worry to many, you can go back to the dpkg-reconfigure foo at any time you want |
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| 09:08.23 | RichyRay | for the mouse port, my usb mouse i assume is the option with the word mice in it? |
| 09:08.41 | RichyRay | ./dev/input/mice |
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| 09:08.51 | itchi | RichyRay: Yup, take it |
| 09:09.04 | RichyRay | which mouse protocol? |
| 09:09.13 | itchi | RichyRay: These you told about, mice |
| 09:09.13 | RichyRay | imp or explorer |
| 09:09.23 | protocol2 | "I have a problem with 3d acceleration; I'm running Debian version 4.0. when I do fglrxinfoI get the following output OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 09:09.23 | protocol2 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 09:09.23 | protocol2 | OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) |
| 09:09.23 | protocol2 | . I expected it to do show me ATI information." can someone help me? |
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| 09:09.39 | RvGaTe | lol ^ |
| 09:09.50 | RichyRay | he's better than me |
| 09:09.59 | itchi | !tell RvGaTe -about lol |
| 09:10.04 | RvGaTe | oops |
| 09:10.08 | RvGaTe | haha ^ ;) |
| 09:10.13 | itchi | hehe :-p |
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| 09:10.24 | RvGaTe | completely forgot about "lol" :P |
| 09:10.26 | itchi | hihi :-) |
| 09:10.46 | itchi | Where's the guy with 'hoho'?? :-p |
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| 09:10.56 | RvGaTe | santa ? |
| 09:10.58 | rem__ | . |
| 09:11.06 | itchi | RvGaTe: No, that's hohoho |
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| 09:11.35 | itchi | !tell protocol2 -about paste |
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| 09:11.59 | protocol2 | itchi, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4993 |
| 09:12.20 | Fox | huhu |
| 09:12.26 | RichyRay | should i choose the option, write default files section to the config file? |
| 09:12.44 | itchi | RichyRay: Yes |
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| 09:12.54 | saltia | hi... |
| 09:13.06 | itchi | protocol2: What's wrong? |
| 09:13.39 | protocol2 | I just installed drivers from ATI and I cant seem to get direct rendering to work |
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| 09:13.43 | itchi | protocol2: You have install the ATI not the debian way? |
| 09:14.04 | protocol2 | yeah I installed from ATI |
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| 09:14.20 | itchi | protocol2: Which driver use you ? |
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| 09:14.37 | saltia | i am trying to give ftp acces to not valid user ftp. I want him to acces to a external directory from his path. So i tried it mounting that directory with bind option. User can see those files but not download them. I am using proftpd. Any help friends? |
| 09:14.56 | protocol2 | itchi, ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86.x86_64.run |
| 09:15.03 | monokrome | !dpkg base etch |
| 09:15.05 | itchi | Fox: :-p |
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| 09:15.28 | itchi | protocol2: No, the display driver, look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:15.37 | protocol2 | oh fglrx |
| 09:15.40 | itchi | protocol2: hhhm, is that 64bit? |
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| 09:15.49 | protocol2 | its for both |
| 09:16.15 | RichyRay | should i write monitor sync ranges to the config file? |
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| 09:16.37 | itchi | RichyRay: Is that not done automatically? |
| 09:16.44 | protocol2 | itchi, I did method 2 on this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 09:16.55 | protocol2 | just to give you an idea |
| 09:17.18 | RichyRay | it asked if i wanted to do simple, medium or advanced, i chose simple. then i chose 17 inch monitor and now it asks me if i should write monitor sync ranges to the config file |
| 09:17.30 | itchi | protocol2: You should maybe need to look to the xserver log file, to get hints why it will not be loaded. |
| 09:17.40 | Fox | RichyRay: say yes |
| 09:18.00 | itchi | protocol2: Have you followed the stuff? You have build the custom deb? |
| 09:18.02 | protocol2 | itchi, how do I go about doing that |
| 09:18.08 | protocol2 | yeah |
| 09:18.19 | RichyRay | ok, as soon as i press enter to accept the 24 bit color setting. i get an error |
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| 09:19.14 | RichyRay | xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf .20070103031650 |
| 09:19.23 | RichyRay | dumps me to the prompt |
| 09:19.43 | protocol2 | itchi, where do I got get to the xserver log file |
| 09:19.47 | itchi | protocol2: Look to /var/log/Xorg* ? |
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| 09:20.15 | itchi | RichyRay: Good, he have keep your old config file, he have rename it |
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| 09:20.37 | RichyRay | he have? |
| 09:20.45 | itchi | RichyRay: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 09:20.51 | itchi | RichyRay: It's not me |
| 09:21.04 | RichyRay | must be me then |
| 09:21.33 | itchi | RichyRay: You reinstalled xorg or so? |
| 09:21.49 | RichyRay | no |
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| 09:22.19 | itchi | RichyRay: No worry, nothings bad with the message ^ |
| 09:22.52 | RichyRay | so what do i do now at the prompt? dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 09:23.11 | Fox | it's not an error messages, it's a warning |
| 09:23.13 | itchi | RichyRay: I dunno with what you was playing :-) |
| 09:23.29 | saltia | no help friends? |
| 09:23.31 | itchi | RichyRay: Did you not already dpkg-reconfigure foo? |
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| 09:24.10 | RichyRay | if you mean typing dpkg-reconfigure then no |
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| 09:24.21 | itchi | saltia: No one that are here actually know about it, it's all |
| 09:24.25 | RichyRay | if you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then yes |
| 09:24.44 | itchi | !foo |
| 09:24.44 | dpkg | from memory, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 09:24.54 | curlysue | i tried to install etch by using the netiso and wlan ipw2200. cant get a correct ip from dhcp ... is there a trick to configure wlan? |
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| 09:25.18 | saltia | itchi, yes, suppose that. I thougt threre was not so dificult. thx u anyway |
| 09:25.19 | curlysue | etch rc1 |
| 09:25.28 | RichyRay | so what do i do now to test my new settings? |
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| 09:25.46 | itchi | curlysue: iwconfig, iwlist, ifconfig |
| 09:26.17 | itchi | curlysue: ... if the wireless-tools are installed |
| 09:26.57 | curlysue | itchi: the basic cd only has 120 MB, there are no wireless-tools --> [11:25] <curlysue> i tried to install etch by using the netiso |
| 09:27.09 | itchi | RichyRay: Restart X? Use you a DM (Display manager, see /msg dpkg dm) |
| 09:27.29 | curlysue | itchi: sry, there are some |
| 09:27.45 | curlysue | on tty1 |
| 09:27.53 | curlysue | tty2 |
| 09:28.30 | itchi | curlysue: I thought it should be, but maybe take the first 1 or 2 install cd's, or see /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 09:29.35 | RichyRay | ok so after i did a reboot (after configuration of the xserver-xorg) i got the exact same error when debian started |
| 09:29.45 | RichyRay | no screen found |
| 09:30.37 | itchi | RichyRay: Can you paste the /var/log/Xorg* log file on a paster? |
| 09:31.06 | RichyRay | hmmm, haven't copied and pasted in lcp before |
| 09:31.20 | itchi | RichyRay: Have that box Internet? |
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| 09:31.29 | RichyRay | ye |
| 09:31.31 | RichyRay | yes |
| 09:32.58 | itchi | RichyRay: Look to /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:33.11 | itchi | RichyRay: There's an easy trick to paste a file |
| 09:33.25 | RichyRay | ok |
| 09:33.26 | itchi | RichyRay: ssh to that box |
| 09:33.47 | itchi | RichyRay: Or simple use a cli browser and upload a file |
| 09:34.05 | RichyRay | whats command for the cli browser? |
| 09:34.12 | RichyRay | i should be able to do that |
| 09:34.21 | saltia | itchi, is there any difference (permision about) between copy files in a shell (cp) and in ftp doing mget? |
| 09:35.44 | saltia | if allow ftp user with a valid shell, it can copy those files which cant download them |
| 09:35.50 | itchi | saltia: I dunno about ftp |
| 09:36.03 | itchi | RichyRay: You want somethings like this: |
| 09:36.05 | saltia | oks |
| 09:36.05 | itchi | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 09:36.37 | itchi | saltia: Look to /msg dpkg ftp must die :-) |
| 09:37.05 | saltia | wgy so? |
| 09:37.24 | itchi | !ftp must die |
| 09:37.24 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:37.25 | saltia | *why |
| 09:37.33 | itchi | saltia: Read the stuff |
| 09:38.19 | itchi | Well pastebin.com is still ginda slow, maybe need to find a trick for another server |
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| 09:40.12 | RichyRay | i'm sorry but i wouldn't know how to format a command like that, i did however type it exactly as you have there, it said curl was not found |
| 09:40.28 | RichyRay | -bash: curl: command not found |
| 09:40.31 | itchi | RichyRay: Hhmm, curl is not installed, it is not default |
| 09:40.32 | saltia | ftp is usefull, if you know what are you doing |
| 09:40.43 | itchi | saltia: nonsenses :-) |
| 09:40.50 | itchi | saltia: Read about the 10 round trips |
| 09:41.05 | RichyRay | i've used ftp before, but something tells me that linux ftp is more like dos ftp and if it is, i don't know the commands |
| 09:41.11 | saltia | i 've just read it |
| 09:41.25 | RichyRay | what did you read? |
| 09:41.31 | fireba11 | ftp is like fax .. horribly outdated |
| 09:41.33 | itchi | saltia: ftp is just some old stuff made some many years ago, it does no more fit well these days |
| 09:41.48 | saltia | alternative? |
| 09:41.54 | itchi | saltia: ssh |
| 09:41.55 | saltia | for anonymous users? |
| 09:41.59 | saltia | :) |
| 09:42.00 | itchi | saltia: You can too |
| 09:42.06 | saltia | eins? |
| 09:42.08 | xingu | saltia: cp as root tends to preserve creation times, ownership and permission; unless it's specifically engineered into the client (by parsing ls output first) ftp won't |
| 09:42.10 | RichyRay | anyone else know how i can get my log file posted online somehow? |
| 09:42.48 | saltia | ssh with anonimous user? |
| 09:43.15 | itchi | RichyRay: Use a cli web browser, links, elinks, w3m or whatever |
| 09:43.34 | itchi | saltia: That no |
| 09:43.53 | RichyRay | how do i start cli web browser? |
| 09:43.59 | saltia | so, there is not alternative for ftp server itchi |
| 09:44.06 | itchi | RichyRay: Just run the name of the app you want to start |
| 09:44.42 | xingu | saltia: rsync |
| 09:44.44 | moshii | saltia: ftp is fine for pulbic downloads etc |
| 09:44.55 | RichyRay | this might sound crazy and hopeless, but i don't even know what apps are available :S |
| 09:44.58 | itchi | saltia: ftp is realy not secure, maybe you like to send your plain text password and so. But i think there's is a way with anonymous ssh, like there's always a way for somethings |
| 09:45.00 | moshii | saltia: just don't transfer you bank details overit |
| 09:45.21 | xingu | saltia: a jailed rsyncd is a suitable replacement for anonymous ftp |
| 09:45.29 | saltia | just for public downloading |
| 09:45.42 | saltia | for serveral platforms |
| 09:45.52 | itchi | saltia: Maybe are you just right with an web server ?? |
| 09:45.53 | saltia | micro$$oft and gnu |
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| 09:46.08 | moshii | saltia: just use a decent ftpd so that anon users don't escape and cause havoc |
| 09:46.09 | xingu | rsync client and server run under win32 quite happily |
| 09:46.44 | saltia | moshii, i have a ftp server with not allow to go out his path. |
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| 09:46.54 | itchi | RichyRay: Try w3m |
| 09:47.19 | moshii | saltia: check that it isn't full of buffer overflows too |
| 09:47.20 | xingu | the biggest issue is that people like their pointy clicky and that all these esoteric solutions aren't necessarily available as transport providers in the large installed base of legacy clients |
| 09:47.24 | itchi | RichyRay: You need to try these i have told about, if it's not installed, just install it right now; and if needed uninstall it once you are done |
| 09:47.32 | moshii | saltia: the same is true of any public service, not just ftp ;) |
| 09:47.47 | xingu | the esoteric solutions can also be impractical when the server end has less than 64MB of memory |
| 09:47.49 | saltia | moshii, problem is this. |
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| 09:48.29 | moshii | saltia: go on.. |
| 09:48.49 | RichyRay | yes, w3m command brings up a bunch of switches options |
| 09:49.17 | RichyRay | how do i install cli browser then? |
| 09:49.30 | moshii | xingu: if he's offering just a few files to the public ftp or http is fine |
| 09:49.42 | itchi | RichyRay: Just do w3m http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 09:49.45 | xingu | moshii: http is a better pick if it's offer-only |
| 09:49.58 | itchi | RichyRay: Looks like w3m is installed |
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| 09:50.29 | itchi | Yeah, http have 3 round trips, while ftp have 10, if i'm right |
| 09:50.32 | xingu | moshii: doesn't handle anonymous contributions quite so gracefully though; you can of course build a cgi, but most clients either don't implement dav or do so badly |
| 09:50.45 | saltia | moshii, i have a anonymous ftp chrooted to /home/ftp. He has not valid shell. Until here all right. Now i am trying to allow him tom download from /mnt/partition/data. I tried doing mount --bind -o uid=101,rw /mnt/datos/amule /home/ftp/emule_ftp |
| 09:50.46 | saltia | . So ftp user can see that files as in his path. All right. BUt problem is downloading them. It says: permision denied. |
| 09:51.15 | itchi | saltia: Symlink the stuff?? |
| 09:51.16 | RichyRay | how do i specify a file on the pastebin? |
| 09:51.29 | saltia | itchi, ln -s no works |
| 09:51.38 | moshii | saltia: have you given ftp fread permissions for /home/ftp/emule_ftp |
| 09:51.50 | moshii | saltia: s/fread/read/ |
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| 09:52.20 | itchi | RichyRay: There's a field 'File: [____________] [Upload]' |
| 09:52.33 | saltia | moshii, drwxrwxr-x |
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| 09:52.48 | saltia | enought |
| 09:52.48 | itchi | RichyRay: It's in red color, see you it? |
| 09:52.59 | RichyRay | ahh yes |
| 09:53.07 | RichyRay | it says forward: now |
| 09:53.13 | RichyRay | iinput the path there? |
| 09:53.26 | moshii | saltia: I'm not sure, does your ftpd have a "cross fs boundries" option? |
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| 09:53.38 | protocol2 | itchi, can you please look at this for me...i will brb in 20 mins thank you http://channels.debian.net/paste/4994 |
| 09:53.39 | saltia | i am using proftpd |
| 09:53.46 | xingu | saltia: what about the files themselves; are they o=400 at least? |
| 09:53.52 | itchi | RichyRay: move your cursor to the [__________] and press enter on it; Then you get bellow your screen 'Filename: ' where you should file the whole path of the file you want to upload |
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| 09:54.05 | xingu | saltia: o=4 rather. |
| 09:54.34 | itchi | !beer me |
| 09:54.39 | itchi | nice guy |
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| 09:55.35 | saltia | xingu, file has 777 |
| 09:55.41 | saltia | and persmision denied |
| 09:56.01 | xingu | saltia: in that case it's probably your proftpd config which is only allowing list not retr |
| 09:56.07 | RichyRay | in w3m how can i specify a new url to go to? |
| 09:56.14 | xingu | saltia: for the anonymous user |
| 09:56.22 | cahoot | g? |
| 09:56.38 | xingu | saltia: have you tried starting proftpd in foreground (non-forking) mode with debugging enabled? |
| 09:56.54 | xingu | saltia: it might be a faster path to karma than the one you're currently on |
| 09:56.55 | saltia | xingu, never |
| 09:57.03 | itchi | RichyRay: Press 'q', many more easy ;-) |
| 09:57.09 | saltia | xingu, sorry? |
| 09:57.24 | RichyRay | ITCHI, check www.pastebin.ca |
| 09:57.31 | RichyRay | i upload my log file just now |
| 09:57.33 | xingu | saltia: it'll get you where you're going quicker; the debugging output will almost certainly include an access check and a failure reason |
| 09:58.06 | itchi | RichyRay: Yeah, just need to have the url about it hahah, wait gona look |
| 09:58.16 | saltia | xingu, how can i start it so? |
| 09:58.39 | itchi | RichyRay: Are you sure you have pressed the magic button to send it? |
| 09:58.52 | xingu | no idea, it's been 6y+ since I last cared about proftpd. :) |
| 09:58.59 | xingu | I'm sure it's in the man page |
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| 09:59.07 | Longkong | hi... |
| 09:59.26 | RichyRay | i moved my cursor over to upload, then pressed enter on it |
| 09:59.44 | Longkong | Does a Xen Kernel depend on the xen version? |
| 09:59.45 | RichyRay | i'll try again |
| 10:00.13 | itchi | RichyRay: hhhm, then you see below your window 'Filename: ' where you should file the path of your log file you want to upload |
| 10:00.31 | itchi | RichyRay: Know you wich one exactly you gona upload? |
| 10:00.37 | RichyRay | yes |
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| 10:00.48 | itchi | oki |
| 10:01.00 | RichyRay | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:01.18 | itchi | RichyRay: If you have that file; yes, maybe it's /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 10:01.26 | itchi | RichyRay: look on your box |
| 10:01.42 | RichyRay | ok, it says received now this time |
| 10:01.46 | RichyRay | www.pastebin.ca |
| 10:01.50 | xingu | saltia: it might help if you pasted your proftpd.conf somewhere |
| 10:02.06 | saltia | okis |
| 10:02.08 | saltia | i will |
| 10:02.10 | RichyRay | http://pastebin.ca/302605 |
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| 10:02.47 | itchi | RichyRay: You have upload it several times ;-) (no worry, no matters) |
| 10:03.12 | itchi | RichyRay: As first point, some little troubles with font paths |
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| 10:03.31 | itchi | RichyRay: From 21 to 37 |
| 10:03.54 | RichyRay | you know how to fix ? |
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| 10:04.04 | Kamyk_^ | elo all :) |
| 10:04.10 | wireddd | wow, the clock on my computer is way to slow, 60 actual seconds = 51 seconds on my computer |
| 10:04.23 | RichyRay | kamyk_^ welcome |
| 10:04.38 | nayyares | is there any potential problem when installing i386 package on x86_64 machine? especially when you are doing it through yum ? |
| 10:04.46 | RichyRay | i'm new here |
| 10:04.52 | itchi | RichyRay: That's peace of cake, wait, i try to figure out the real trouble; The interesting parts are the lines with (WW) = warning and (EE) = error |
| 10:05.13 | fireba11 | nayyares: it may need 32-bit libs |
| 10:05.20 | Kamyk_^ | i have one q: how i can add new user to system which will be mapping on another user ? I have one user - test and want add another - test2 but that two users will be the same user :) |
| 10:05.36 | itchi | RichyRay: Can you pastebin the /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 10:05.41 | RichyRay | yes |
| 10:05.43 | nayyares | fireba11, so what if you really need to do this installation? |
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| 10:06.22 | saltia | xingu, http://pastebin.ca/302611 |
| 10:06.29 | fireba11 | nayyares: if it's a debian package it should work .. sometimes you need to manually install a couple 32-bit libs for it, depends a lot on the application |
| 10:06.35 | xk | how do I set the default WM? |
| 10:07.01 | streuner | !wm |
| 10:07.01 | dpkg | hmm... window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 10:07.09 | xingu | saltia: <Limit READ WRITE> ... DenyAll |
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| 10:07.24 | RichyRay | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/302613 |
| 10:07.27 | xingu | saltia: you probably want to rethink that bit. |
| 10:07.42 | saltia | whats up xingu ? |
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| 10:08.27 | xingu | saltia: it means what it says on the tin, prevent retr for all directories matching globbing pattern * |
| 10:08.36 | itchi | RichyRay: Line 67, Put a #comment before the line and restart x, just to tryout |
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| 10:09.18 | saltia | xingu, i underestand user can read and download from that path |
| 10:09.20 | RichyRay | i don't know what the editor in linux is |
| 10:09.25 | RichyRay | what command? |
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| 10:09.47 | oldab | hi! where can i get some animated backgrounds? |
| 10:09.48 | xingu | saltia: exactly; so you now have the result you've requested, you can LIST but not RETR for your whole anon ftp user. |
| 10:09.48 | itchi | RichyRay: You saw your line on the bottom of that config file? The xorg complain about some ones, you should put some # before some line wich xorg.log complain about. But keep that for later, first solving the real trouble |
| 10:10.16 | itchi | RichyRay: Try with nano |
| 10:10.19 | itchi | RichyRay: wait |
| 10:10.26 | saltia | xingu, for retrieve what do i need ? |
| 10:10.28 | itchi | RichyRay: To be sure make first a copy of your file |
| 10:10.32 | xingu | saltia: s/READ// |
| 10:10.57 | itchi | RichyRay: You know how to copy it? |
| 10:11.06 | xingu | saltia: I'm not sure you really mean to allow the anon ftp user to STOR anywhere under that root either, but that's what you've configured |
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| 10:11.10 | RichyRay | no, whats command |
| 10:11.23 | RichyRay | xcopy? |
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| 10:11.29 | RichyRay | hehe |
| 10:11.36 | itchi | RichyRay: hhmm ;-) cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_TEMP_SAD |
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| 10:12.16 | saltia | xingu, i wanted to store read and write un /home/ftp and /home/ftp/emule_ftp just read and retrieve |
| 10:12.53 | RichyRay | aight copied no probs |
| 10:13.13 | itchi | RichyRay: Oki, now nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 10:13.58 | itchi | RichyRay: Once modified, press ctrl+x then Y to save |
| 10:14.07 | xk | :( X.org still starts off with no WM :( |
| 10:14.21 | RichyRay | i just see a black screen |
| 10:14.27 | streuner | xk: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 10:14.48 | RichyRay | nm i mispell |
| 10:14.51 | itchi | RichyRay: You did a typo i guess |
| 10:15.10 | itchi | RichyRay: Your been as root user (forget to told about it) |
| 10:15.28 | itchi | RichyRay: I dunno your *nix experience |
| 10:15.48 | RichyRay | ok, which lines to comment using # |
| 10:16.21 | itchi | RichyRay: A line with BusID "PCI:5:0:0" |
| 10:16.53 | RichyRay | i recognise that. the xserver-xorg configuration earlier |
| 10:17.02 | RichyRay | it asked me for my display adapter port |
| 10:17.03 | itchi | RichyRay: Yup |
| 10:17.17 | RichyRay | mine is on my pci-e |
| 10:17.35 | RichyRay | but that one said "PCI:5:0:0" by default so i left it |
| 10:17.51 | itchi | RichyRay: Yeah, but the log complain that he not find that |
| 10:18.36 | xingu | saltia: for the moment, remove READ from that limit statement; restart proftpd and retest; for the long term you want to re-read the documentation for proftpd specifically on permissions |
| 10:18.52 | RichyRay | ok i'll comment it |
| 10:18.56 | itchi | RichyRay: (I hope that #commenting the line solve the trouble) |
| 10:19.14 | saltia | yes....xingu...i have not underestandt it |
| 10:19.30 | saltia | i will reread that |
| 10:19.45 | RichyRay | is there a way to tell it to read the PCI-Express instead of PCI bus? |
| 10:20.03 | itchi | RichyRay: Just try first with the # |
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| 10:21.11 | RichyRay | k sec |
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| 10:21.56 | Diamond | Hellow |
| 10:22.10 | Diamond | i have question |
| 10:22.17 | Diamond | i am running debian r4 |
| 10:22.32 | Diamond | and i want to install sendmail and imap4d |
| 10:22.50 | itchi | RichyRay: Got it? |
| 10:22.52 | Diamond | must i remove exim4 completly form my debian server to make sendmail work |
| 10:22.56 | itchi | RichyRay: You take time ;-) |
| 10:23.28 | Diamond | copple of months ago someone told me that i have to remove exim from my debian |
| 10:23.31 | Diamond | is that correct? |
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| 10:24.04 | Ronin | can only have one mta at a time |
| 10:24.12 | RichyRay | sorry |
| 10:24.14 | RichyRay | telephone |
| 10:24.24 | Diamond | ok.. |
| 10:24.47 | Diamond | but can i delete exim4 only by typing apt-get remove ? |
| 10:25.11 | Diamond | last time someone tells me a'n other command for that |
| 10:25.11 | ratmice | so if i have a package which source tarball contains gpl and lgpl code, + gfdl documents would the entire thing be moved to non-free, or just the documentation? |
| 10:26.04 | trukosh | Hallo, using postfix, cyrus, sieve: I want to use sieve to send vacation-messages. When one recipient sends mail he will get the message for this first mail. Then no response for the next 7 days. Does anybody know where cyrus/sieve saves the information, that a vacation-message was already sent? |
| 10:26.38 | RichyRay | whats to save and exit? |
| 10:26.52 | itchi | ratmice: See ##debian-mentors |
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| 10:26.59 | Diamond | Ronin : can you help me remove exim4 from my debian system ? |
| 10:27.00 | ratmice | itchi: thanks |
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| 10:27.13 | Diamond | can it be done only by apt-get remove ? |
| 10:27.13 | itchi | RichyRay: ctrl+x then press Y |
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| 10:27.32 | RichyRay | ahh yes, ok now how do i test? reboot? |
| 10:27.39 | itchi | RichyRay: Not reboot |
| 10:27.44 | trukosh | Diamond AFAIR: if you want sendmail as mta, you can just install it with apt-get. You will be notified that exim will automatically be removed. |
| 10:27.45 | itchi | RichyRay: use you gdm? |
| 10:27.54 | RichyRay | i do not know |
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| 10:28.03 | itchi | RichyRay: wait; my big guess of the day /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 10:28.05 | Diamond | ok |
| 10:28.07 | Diamond | :) |
| 10:28.13 | Diamond | thats a pitty then |
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| 10:28.15 | RichyRay | lol i'll check |
| 10:28.26 | Quibus | OK, who is into grep magic here? |
| 10:28.36 | Quibus | I'd like to filter my output of dpkg -l |
| 10:28.48 | ThePub | o.O |
| 10:28.55 | Quibus | should contain any package with 'font' or 'ttf' in the name :-) |
| 10:29.01 | RichyRay | hmmm |
| 10:29.06 | itchi | Quibus: dpkg -l foo | grep bar ?? |
| 10:29.18 | Quibus | note the *or* |
| 10:29.19 | fireba11 | Diamond: why ? there is no real reason to hve more than one MTA |
| 10:29.31 | cast | egrep 'font|ttf' |
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| 10:29.49 | RichyRay | -bash: /etc/init.d/dgm: no such file or diretory |
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| 10:29.59 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 10:30.05 | Quibus | thanks cast |
| 10:30.10 | itchi | RichyRay: gdm ;-) |
| 10:30.20 | ThePub | Is it possible to have nautilus work like thunar when it has a location bar and is in browser mode? |
| 10:30.31 | RichyRay | if i type just gdm, it says 'GDM already running. Aborting!' |
| 10:30.37 | cast | ThePub: --browser, and sure, you can set a location bar |
| 10:30.41 | itchi | RichyRay: Do /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 10:30.50 | ThePub | cast: no.. like THUNAR :) |
| 10:31.17 | RichyRay | Stopping GNOME display manager |
| 10:31.22 | itchi | ThePub: Use thunar ;-) |
| 10:31.24 | RichyRay | then it say failed again |
| 10:31.25 | cast | ThePub: never used thunar...guess you want something else than browser mode and turning on he location bar :\ |
| 10:31.38 | itchi | RichyRay: Maybe you get another error now? |
| 10:31.42 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 10:31.49 | RichyRay | let me verify |
| 10:32.01 | itchi | RichyRay: Pastebin if needed ;-) |
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| 10:32.22 | cast | hmm, thunar looks alright |
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| 10:32.31 | ThePub | itchi: yeah, that would nice, except in a gnome session once you drop nautilus you lose desktop focus for the keyboard functions, and the ones under xfce are not as useable. |
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| 10:33.25 | ThePub | why nautilus replaces the "browser buttons" with a "zoom" feature is beyond me. it's just silly really, zooming in on icons is apparantly very important. |
| 10:33.44 | itchi | ThePub: Use fluxbox :-) |
| 10:33.52 | Ronin | Diamond: why does it have to be sendmail to begin with? |
| 10:33.54 | itchi | cast: Thunar rocks! :-) |
| 10:34.37 | ThePub | itchi: and a wm solves the problem how? |
| 10:34.53 | itchi | ThePub: Yeah :-) |
| 10:35.05 | RichyRay | should i repost? |
| 10:35.05 | ThePub | eh? |
| 10:35.11 | itchi | ThePub: Like you gona no more use nautilus ;-) |
| 10:35.29 | RichyRay | or should i instead try to find out what to put instead of "PCI:5:0:0" |
| 10:35.41 | ThePub | itchi: it's not a matter of not wanting to use nautilus. comprehension... |
| 10:35.47 | RichyRay | because that is wrong since my video card isn't PCI, it's PCI-express |
| 10:36.01 | cahoot | leave it empty? |
| 10:36.20 | RichyRay | maybe |
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| 10:36.29 | xingu | file managers, sheesh |
| 10:36.30 | sts | hello folks |
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| 10:36.48 | RichyRay | it says i can use lspci to determine the correct one |
| 10:36.53 | sts | is there a way to start a process in background mode other than adding & to the end of the line? |
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| 10:37.03 | itchi | ThePub: Like you complain about it, yeah |
| 10:37.17 | itchi | sts: See screen |
| 10:37.22 | Mooi | Hi. What would be the best way to simulate a Windows-like Linux environment for a new user to Linux? She doesn't like how she's gotta use it. It's to be a single-user machine. What would be the best transition?:) |
| 10:37.35 | ThePub | itchi: not complaining, I asked a question and made a comment. it is silly if you think about it. |
| 10:37.45 | itchi | RichyRay: What's the output of lspci ? |
| 10:37.53 | cahoot | Mooi: hopeless to try force someone into linux |
| 10:38.06 | itchi | ThePub: I love fluxbox, so i gone tell you to switch to it ;-) |
| 10:38.18 | Mooi | cahoot: I'm asking for an answer, I don't want to start a discussion on whether it is bad or not ^^ |
| 10:38.21 | ThePub | Mooi: really either of the default gnome or kde environments are not a stretch. kde is probably the most 'like' windows though on the whole. |
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| 10:38.41 | Mooi | Ok, I'll do KDE then (tried it only once). |
| 10:38.47 | xingu | ThePub: what, flaky? ;) |
| 10:39.01 | Mooi | Thanks ThePub |
| 10:39.24 | ThePub | Mooi: kde defaults with konq appear much more explorer-like than nautilus defaults, but button arrangements and such are very similiar. And of course your std browser/email setup will be pretty much the same. |
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| 10:39.34 | RichyRay | the output of lspci says my video card is |
| 10:39.38 | sts | i need to run that from a startup script ... i don't think it would be a good idea to use screen for thos purpose. |
| 10:40.01 | itchi | RichyRay: pastebin the stuff ;-) |
| 10:40.02 | ThePub | xingu: is kde flaky? I haven't found it be flaky, just chalk full of unecessary features. |
| 10:40.27 | xingu | ThePub: just yankin your chain |
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| 10:40.35 | RichyRay | 05:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies IncR480 [Radeon X850 XT (PCIE) (Secondary) |
| 10:40.51 | ThePub | itchi: I still don't understand why a WM is a replacement for a file manager... |
| 10:41.04 | RichyRay | i don't know how to pastebin my screen? |
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| 10:41.22 | itchi | ThePub: hhhmm, i did illusion with your focus trouble with nautilus |
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| 10:41.49 | BloodHunter | hi |
| 10:42.13 | itchi | RichyRay: Select the text; then press the left and right button (or press on the scrollwheel) at the same time where you want to paste it |
| 10:43.25 | RichyRay | i dont have a mouse |
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| 10:43.34 | RichyRay | well i do, but it's not working |
| 10:43.43 | RichyRay | for some reason |
| 10:44.34 | itchi | RichyRay: oki, you need 'gpm' for your mouse in console, you need to install it, or a quick trick is to output the content of lspci to an temp file |
| 10:44.42 | BloodHunter | one question ... when i install debian do i see windows partitions ( so i can delete them or smth. like that ) ? |
| 10:44.46 | jaalto | I'm having weird trouble with apt-get: It somehow started using port 88 for HTTP and I have no port settings in sources.list. could someone suggest where should I start chasing the problem |
| 10:44.58 | RichyRay | how doi install gpm? |
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| 10:45.12 | itchi | RichyRay: Somethings like this lspci > /tmp/myFile Then upload the file maybe |
| 10:45.44 | RichyRay | i want to install gpm to get the mouse working, how? |
| 10:45.47 | itchi | RichyRay: apt-get install gpm as root user |
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| 10:46.33 | RichyRay | right on, thanks |
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| 10:47.13 | BloodHunter | anyone read my question?^^ |
| 10:47.27 | moshii | BloodHunter: you will see the partitions in the installer |
| 10:47.33 | Trewas | gah, two months without (dist-)upgrading a testing/unstable box and now there is 450mb of updates to fetch, 300mb of space in root-partition :P |
| 10:47.41 | moshii | BloodHunter: and will be given the choice to dual boot, in etch anyhoo |
| 10:47.58 | RichyRay | how do i copy the text once it's highlighted? |
| 10:48.03 | BloodHunter | hm |
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| 10:48.15 | Julian | I already have |
| 10:48.27 | Jack | Hey there. |
| 10:48.30 | itchi | Trewas: Is /var/ not a seperated partition ;-) |
| 10:48.37 | BloodHunter | k thx |
| 10:48.52 | moshii | BloodHunter: as for accessing them once debian is installed, you can do that too :P |
| 10:49.02 | Jack | Dudes I need help. =/ |
| 10:49.14 | Setien | Is there a way I can tell how the dependencies work when using apt-get install? If I apt-get -s install python2.3-subversion, it lists 150+ packages, many relating to gnome, that it wants to change... I can't make sense of it |
| 10:49.14 | BloodHunter | k thanks |
| 10:49.15 | Jack | I can't connect to my wireless network with my laptop running Debian. |
| 10:49.16 | moshii | Jack: duct tape and a paper bag |
| 10:49.33 | BloodNinja | ... |
| 10:49.38 | moshii | Jack: what card, what encryption setup |
| 10:49.42 | BloodNinja | moshii: eehhh wwwhhhaaattt? |
| 10:49.45 | Jack | Uh, one moment. |
| 10:49.46 | BloodHunter | debian cant write on ntsf ( ? ) partitions? ( altleast i heard that :D ) |
| 10:49.59 | BloodNinja | BloodHunter: linux can read ntfs |
| 10:50.01 | BloodNinja | but not write |
| 10:50.04 | BloodNinja | it is forbidden! |
| 10:50.04 | moshii | BloodHunter: you can now, but it's slow |
| 10:50.10 | Jack | My network uses WEP 128-bit. |
| 10:50.13 | BloodNinja | I stand corrected |
| 10:50.14 | Jack | The network ard I'm not sure about. |
| 10:50.16 | Ronin | writing is possible but not the best |
| 10:50.17 | Jack | It's really old. |
| 10:50.18 | BloodHunter | anyway to transform ntsf -> fat ? ;D |
| 10:50.19 | BloodNinja | ... well, sit corrected |
| 10:50.20 | Trewas | itchi: nope, this is just a desktop with one user... and the disk and partitioning is from ye olden times (five years old at least) when 4GB was plenty for the whole installation |
| 10:50.23 | moshii | BloodNinja: indedd you can, with the new drivers |
| 10:50.25 | Jack | I have Swscanner installed, |
| 10:50.32 | Jack | but all it does is show the networks. |
| 10:50.38 | Jack | I can't connect to anything. =/ |
| 10:50.47 | Jack | Also, it's a Cisco card. |
| 10:51.01 | Jack | No, not the rapper/r&b/terrible music artist. |
| 10:51.01 | RichyRay | itch, i need sleep now. thanks for all your help |
| 10:51.06 | moshii | Jack: what happens when you do iwconfig interface essid network |
| 10:51.08 | itchi | Trewas: Yeah, you got some troubles then :-/ |
| 10:51.10 | jaalto | jack: check lspci -v -v -v and your card's chipset |
| 10:51.14 | RichyRay | i'll have to finish this tommorow |
| 10:51.24 | DaveQB | so Sarge uses devfs out of the box ? |
| 10:51.40 | itchi | RichyRay: Don't give up, you _will_ be recompensated ;-) |
| 10:51.45 | RichyRay | you've spoon fed me enought, very thankful!. good night itchi |
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| 10:51.50 | moshii | DaveQB: no one uses devfs |
| 10:51.56 | RichyRay | im tired :S |
| 10:52.05 | DaveQB | ahh oke, hmmm that doesnt help me now lol |
| 10:52.11 | itchi | RichyRay: Yeah, try again tomorrow ;-) But don't give up ;-) |
| 10:52.15 | Jack | One second gentlemen, let me grab the laptop. |
| 10:52.24 | moshii | DaveQB: are you thinking udev? |
| 10:52.24 | BloodNinja | Gentle? speak for thyself |
| 10:52.42 | Richy-Away | night |
| 10:52.50 | ThePub | jaalto: there are no port settings because apt uses the default port for the protocol specific. |
| 10:53.03 | DaveQB | moshii: I am thinking a dev problem with my HDDs on the onboard IDE controller. failing to be detected until i run fdisk on them and simply exit |
| 10:53.06 | itchi | Richy-Away: Good night (pay attention for the /msg dpkg away) ;-) |
| 10:53.32 | DaveQB | moshii: Sarge here and I get this "un udev <none> (no description available)" |
| 10:53.51 | itchi | Richy-Away: But you not yet have used that 'away' feature, so it's not yet realy the same |
| 10:53.54 | Trewas | itchi: well, I can upgrade in patches by manually apt-get installing packages but I guess I should re-install or rearrange partitions some time... this is getting mighty annoying and slow (due to fragmentation) to use |
| 10:53.56 | ThePub | jaalto: if it's using port 88 then it would be something outside of apt, as far as I'm aware. Although like any access you can append ":<port>" to specify a custom port. |
| 10:54.01 | jaalto | ThePub: Nevertheless, I get message "Could not connect to www.nic.funet.fi:88 (193.166.3.3). - connect (111 Connection refused)" where apt-get is trying to use port 88 for HTTP. That's why I'm puzzled |
| 10:54.02 | moshii | DaveQB: have you checked dmesg? |
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| 10:54.17 | DaveQB | yeah, i'll show you the curious line |
| 10:54.18 | ThePub | jaalto: it'd be outside apt :) |
| 10:54.29 | DaveQB | : could not append to parent for /disc |
| 10:54.30 | DaveQB | devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc |
| 10:54.30 | jaalto | ThePub: I don't have firewall, so this is real puzzling |
| 10:54.34 | itchi | Trewas: Maybe can you install partially stuff, moving it, with apt-move or some stuff?? |
| 10:54.38 | DaveQB | repeated about 30 times or more |
| 10:54.54 | DaveQB | moshii: a google said the solution was to use backports to install udev as its a devfs problem |
| 10:55.00 | ThePub | jaalto: well, you said it "just all of a sudden happened" so it'd make sense it was something you did just before "just all of a sudden" |
| 10:55.12 | xingu | devfs was an installtime option for sarge from memory |
| 10:55.15 | ThePub | jaalto: time to start backpeddling ;) |
| 10:55.21 | xingu | god help anyone who actually used that POS |
| 10:55.24 | moshii | DaveQB: that might be a good idea, devfs is a pos and hence is dead upstream |
| 10:55.33 | jaalto | ThePub: I mean "sudden" in the sense that one day I just tried the dance "apt-get update && ..." and then is started |
| 10:55.57 | Jack | so i run those commands in the console right? |
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| 10:56.00 | DaveQB | xingu: I do not recall that option, I think I just chose server and the services I need |
| 10:56.02 | Trewas | itchi: the installed packages will fit, I just can't fetch them all at the same time because /var would get full, so I'll apt-get install some of the packages, apt-get clean, lather, rinse, repeat |
| 10:56.11 | DaveQB | moshii: well I havent devfs installed either |
| 10:56.14 | BloodNinja | Jack: konsole |
| 10:56.20 | itchi | Trewas: You know about it :-) |
| 10:56.21 | Jack | konsole, :P |
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| 10:56.25 | Jack | one second |
| 10:56.35 | DaveQB | moshii: un devfsd <none> (no description available) |
| 10:56.44 | itchi | Trewas: Or wait, have you a USB stick? |
| 10:56.44 | moshii | DaveQB: part of devfs is in the kernel |
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| 10:56.58 | DaveQB | moshii: AHHH I was beginning to suspect that today |
| 10:57.05 | DaveQB | so its compiled in ? |
| 10:57.07 | jaalto | ThePub: I take you that it's not apt-get, but where does the messages come that append the port :88 to the urls? |
| 10:57.13 | iacopop | do you know a channel about smart card development under linux? |
| 10:57.27 | moshii | DaveQB: there is also a small version of devfs in the busybox which could be in the initrd |
| 10:57.40 | DaveQB | moshii: hmm how can I check this ? |
| 10:57.43 | a|ex | hi I have had a lot of incoming traffic lately 90GB Vs 13 out, I was wondering if there were a tool that could tell me what this traffic is, what service is using ... |
| 10:57.55 | itchi | iacopop: #hardware? |
| 10:58.05 | moshii | DaveQB: not sure, i'd suggested the udev thing though |
| 10:58.06 | iacopop | no |
| 10:58.07 | cahoot | a|ex: iptraf |
| 10:58.10 | DaveQB | moshii: I boot off a SW raid'd SCSI pair of disk, sda and sdb, anything on /dev/hd* doesnt detect at boot time |
| 10:58.11 | iacopop | too generic |
| 10:58.15 | a|ex | cahoot: ok |
| 10:58.25 | DaveQB | moshii: me beginning to agree with you |
| 10:58.28 | Jack | BloodNinja: You a debian user too? |
| 10:58.38 | BloodNinja | Jack: sure, why not |
| 10:58.42 | itchi | iacopop: Try /msg chanserv list *hardware* |
| 10:58.43 | iacopop | that programming..!!! |
| 10:58.44 | Jack | nice |
| 10:58.48 | iacopop | ok |
| 10:58.50 | Jack | its so hard to learn =/ |
| 10:58.58 | DaveQB | moshii: just curious though to know if this is the case; Sarge using devfsd |
| 10:59.01 | BloodNinja | Jack: that's 'cause you're a n00b. =] |
| 10:59.01 | Trewas | itchi: I guess I could kludge /var/cache somewhere else... |
| 10:59.01 | moshii | DaveQB: udev is like having a tidy version of /dev, devfs is just wrong |
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| 10:59.09 | itchi | iacopop: There's some hits, maybe look there |
| 10:59.11 | Jack | :P |
| 10:59.15 | Jack | cant argue =/ |
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| 10:59.22 | moshii | DaveQB: not sure, i didn't think it did :/ |
| 10:59.27 | itchi | Trewas: On that USB key maybe?? |
| 10:59.34 | DaveQB | moshii: hahaha havent got into the dev types, but have heard that |
| 10:59.43 | DaveQB | moshii: you runing sid ? |
| 11:00.00 | moshii | DaveQB: sid on 2 boxes, etch on 3 servers |
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| 11:00.16 | DaveQB | moshii: nice, how is etch as a server ? |
| 11:00.23 | Trewas | itchi: and there are other partitions with more space, but I think I'll live with this until I get a change to reinstall or do something more permanent than usb-stick /var :) |
| 11:00.30 | Jack | ok |
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| 11:00.38 | Jack | again, i cant connnect to my wireless network with debian |
| 11:00.43 | Jack | so im gonna open konsole? |
| 11:00.47 | BloodNinja | yes |
| 11:00.53 | moshii | DaveQB: these machines just dish up gigs and gigs of flv video, not complaints so far :) |
| 11:01.05 | itchi | Trewas: Yeah, just tried to give you some rescue hints ;-) |
| 11:01.08 | DaveQB | moshii: flv ? |
| 11:01.21 | moshii | DaveQB: flash video ala youtube |
| 11:01.40 | Jack | okay im in the konsole |
| 11:01.41 | BloodNinja | moshii: how are you encoding the flv's? |
| 11:01.42 | Jack | now what? |
| 11:01.44 | DaveQB | ahh, really ? What are they doing exactly ? |
| 11:01.56 | Trewas | itchi: heh |
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| 11:02.26 | Jack | type check lspci -v -v -v ? |
| 11:02.27 | moshii | BloodNinja: all comes pre-encoded, I just admin the machines.. to be honest it isn't even my real job haha |
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| 11:02.51 | BloodNinja | moshii: oh, hah, I'm looking for something to encode video files to flv |
| 11:02.57 | moshii | BloodNinja: I think ffmpeg can do flv now |
| 11:03.07 | BloodNinja | moshii: yeah, but you need more stuff, like lame |
| 11:03.21 | BloodNinja | moshii: I was reading about it, gotta find out if my host will let me run it |
| 11:03.41 | moshii | BloodNinja: flv? you can just serve them as plain old files |
| 11:03.53 | BloodNinja | moshii: no, I gotta convert to flv |
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| 11:03.59 | DaveQB | moshii: how ? |
| 11:04.02 | moshii | BloodNinja: or use the apache or lighttpd serving modules |
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| 11:04.17 | BloodNinja | moshii: it's for a youtube-esque project my friend wants |
| 11:04.18 | moshii | BloodNinja: on the fly? perhaps a bad idea |
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| 11:04.28 | BloodNinja | moshii: one time conversion |
| 11:04.55 | BloodNinja | moshii: what was Jack looking for with lspci -v ? |
| 11:05.11 | Jack | i dont even know what I'm looking for. :x |
| 11:05.13 | a|ex | I am using iptraf as cahoot recommended me, when looking at the traffic on eth0 I have a constant trafic which source is the IP of my machine:22 can someone explain that to me ? |
| 11:05.14 | moshii | BloodNinja: I'd write a script that hooks up ffmpeg or mencoder |
| 11:05.30 | BloodNinja | moshii: I'll look into that, thank you. :D |
| 11:05.36 | cahoot | a|ex: someones connected to your ssh |
| 11:05.53 | a|ex | cahoot: me ? |
| 11:06.05 | cahoot | a|ex: haha you tell me |
| 11:06.41 | DaveQB | a|ex: most likely |
| 11:07.00 | DaveQB | a|ex: I notice that too with iptraf, heavey ssh traffic when watching it .... through ssh |
| 11:07.04 | Jack | when i open and select eth0 with Simple Wireless Scanner |
| 11:07.06 | Jack | in the status window |
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| 11:07.12 | Jack | it says ESSID: linksys |
| 11:07.19 | Jack | so I'm connected to some network that isnt mine? |
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| 11:07.39 | knoxy | where I find php5-pear backports? |
| 11:07.53 | moshii | knoxy: backports.org? |
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| 11:08.19 | Jack | moshii: im sorry, what did you say to type into the konsole? |
| 11:08.33 | knoxy | moshii no.. php5-pear is not found on backports |
| 11:08.35 | knoxy | :( |
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| 11:09.46 | g2for | noob question: how do i view pictures in debian? need gnome for that? |
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| 11:10.19 | mosty | i'm looking for a rescue disc image for amd64 that will fit on/boot ok from a 256M usb stick, anyone know of any? |
| 11:10.40 | cahoot | Jack: try lspci -v |
| 11:10.45 | mosty | g2for: use an image viewer, there are many |
| 11:11.05 | xingu | mosty: mindi? |
| 11:11.07 | Jack | cahoot: i did |
| 11:11.11 | Jack | is there anything im looking for? |
| 11:11.25 | cahoot | Jack: your wireless nic |
| 11:11.40 | a|ex | cahoot: iptraf is realtime, is there a not a way to record so we can have statistic after a month to know where all my traffic goes ? |
| 11:11.42 | mosty | xingu: i don't (yet) have a working amd64 machine to do that with |
| 11:12.01 | xingu | mosty: how big is the amd64 business card iso? |
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| 11:12.11 | Jack | i get a lot of info |
| 11:12.17 | Jack | that i dont know too much about |
| 11:12.23 | cahoot | Jack: you want to see the make/model |
| 11:12.37 | mosty | xingu: i'm not sure how to put that on a usb stick |
| 11:12.50 | g2for | mosty: from the console? |
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| 11:13.35 | mosty | g2for: there are image viewer for the console, for X with/without gnome/kde |
| 11:13.48 | Jack | i dont see the make/model =/ |
| 11:13.56 | g2for | but i need x |
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| 11:14.11 | mosty | g2for: so pick an image viewer for X |
| 11:14.18 | cahoot | Jack: do you see anything that look like it concerns a wireless gadget? |
| 11:14.38 | Jack | a lot of devices from intel, and texas instruments, nothing by Cisco Systems |
| 11:14.46 | Jack | its a PCMCIA card |
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| 11:15.09 | Jack | i dont know if that matters though, sorry im new to all this |
| 11:15.28 | mosty | xingu: debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso is small enough to fit on my usb stick, but i don't know how to do that so that it will boot |
| 11:15.53 | cahoot | Jack: ok then unplu/replug the card and see if dmesg reveals anything useful |
| 11:16.01 | Jack | okay, sure |
| 11:16.31 | xingu | mosty: just skimming the debian installer docco now to see |
| 11:16.40 | Jack | on the card it says Cisco Aironet 350 series =/ |
| 11:16.54 | Jack | AIR-PCM 352? |
| 11:16.59 | mosty | xingu: the instructions there did not work for me |
| 11:17.08 | xingu | moshii: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb <-- ? |
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| 11:17.39 | mosty | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en that didn't work, looking at your link now |
| 11:18.31 | xingu | mosty: basically seems to be - the bios can boot a torito or whatever image from usb |
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| 11:19.02 | xingu | mosty: so just dumping the amd64 business card image out with cat should be fine I think |
| 11:19.08 | xingu | mosty: worth a shot anyway |
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| 11:19.17 | mosty | xingu: i will try it, thanks |
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| 11:19.55 | cahoot | Jack: seems you're in for some work: http://www.howtoforge.com/cisco_350_series_kismet |
| 11:20.35 | Jack | okay |
| 11:20.40 | Jack | let me do some quick reading |
| 11:21.11 | Jack | uh, im sorry, im really new to linux, im not sure how to compile my kernal |
| 11:21.13 | Jack | =/ |
| 11:21.18 | cahoot | Jack: better google around |
| 11:21.28 | Jack | okay |
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| 11:21.59 | Jack | so what exactly is Kismet? |
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| 11:22.26 | Jack | also, i cant get wireless tools because i dont have internet access |
| 11:23.30 | g2for | can i use mozilla with the x window system |
| 11:23.34 | a|ex | :wq |
| 11:23.39 | a|ex | bo |
| 11:23.43 | rsk | g2for: ofcouse |
| 11:23.57 | g2for | thx |
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| 11:24.22 | lkthomas | guys |
| 11:24.31 | lkthomas | is there have any good guide for setup secondary dns ? |
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| 11:25.03 | Niklas- | Hey. I have a little problem getting gcc installed on my debian machine. I'm running Debian etch. The error i get is: gcc: Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.1.1-13) but it is not going to be installed - Depends: gcc-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:25.30 | mosty | lkthomas: sure, but it depends on which dns server you use |
| 11:25.39 | lkthomas | bind |
| 11:25.41 | ThePub | oh well, dropped xfwm, will have to do with just xfdesktop. |
| 11:27.17 | lkthomas | mosty, I am using bind man |
| 11:27.31 | BloodNinja | debian uses apt-get right? |
| 11:28.08 | geet | BloodNinja - yes |
| 11:28.09 | cydork | BloodNinja: It should be using it.. Other wise something is wrong with your debian box! |
| 11:28.16 | mosty | lkthomas: great, there are loads of guides for bind |
| 11:28.18 | BloodNinja | thanks, just checking |
| 11:28.34 | knoxy | where I find php5-pear backports? I dont found this package in backports ftp |
| 11:28.40 | mosty | lkthomas: i'm a djbdns user, so i don't have bind sites bookmarked, but i have seen lots in the past |
| 11:29.40 | jaalto | Jack: have a look at this link http://www.goonda.org/wireless/aironet/ |
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| 11:31.11 | monokrome | wtf |
| 11:31.14 | monokrome | when i'm installing debian |
| 11:31.23 | monokrome | after it sets up the base system |
| 11:31.26 | monokrome | it goes to this blue screen |
| 11:31.29 | monokrome | and just freezes up. |
| 11:31.54 | ArtVandalae | monokrome, maybe it's doing something in the background? |
| 11:32.12 | monokrome | ArtVandalae: Dunno. It's not telling me, and i've never seen this before. |
| 11:32.20 | mo1991 | I am using debian etch - Every time I bootup Etch chooses my soundblaster card as the main souncard for alsa to use. This is not the soundcard i want to use for gnome/alsa. If I run alsaconf it lets me choose the other soundcard - and the other soundcard then works - but upon reboot the soundblaster is chosen again - how do I save the alsaconfig settings - Do i still need to blacklist the sound card I don't want it to choose? |
| 11:32.25 | tarzeau | YAYAYA debian dpkg supports lzma |
| 11:32.33 | ArtVandalae | I'm not sure, but can you switch to another control (I think it's Alt + a number), to switch to another console... see whether it works |
| 11:32.40 | ArtVandalae | s/control/console |
| 11:32.43 | Jack | play |
| 11:32.46 | Jack | *okay |
| 11:32.48 | jaalto | monokrome: Swirch to virtual conseles to see what it's doing |
| 11:32.50 | Jack | so far i ran iwconfig eth0 essid Hive key <wep key> |
| 11:32.56 | Jack | and when i run iwconfig on its own |
| 11:33.05 | Jack | it shows im connected to my essid, Hive |
| 11:33.08 | Jack | but it says |
| 11:33.11 | monokrome | jaalto: How so? |
| 11:33.16 | monokrome | It's in TTY1 |
| 11:33.16 | Jack | access point: invaild |
| 11:33.31 | Jack | did i do something wrong? |
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| 11:33.57 | Jack | it shows eth0 is connected to my ESSID |
| 11:34.01 | Jack | but no connection |
| 11:34.01 | jaalto | monokrome: out of my head: Tamp Alt-F* keys in sequence to see what console is the "log buffer" |
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| 11:34.26 | lkthomas | mosty, do you need to create secondary zone one by one on djbdns ? or it will auto clone from primary dns ? |
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| 11:34.49 | monokrome | jaalto: Usually ALT+F1 is |
| 11:34.52 | monokrome | but that's wher ei'm at |
| 11:34.53 | jaalto | jack: you need to enable encryption, it won't connect otherwise (you used WEP right?) |
| 11:35.00 | monokrome | all the other TTYs are blank. Nothing. |
| 11:35.06 | monokrome | Except for Number 6 |
| 11:35.13 | monokrome | Which shows some weird pattern of colors. |
| 11:35.14 | monokrome | :) |
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| 11:35.28 | Jack | yes |
| 11:35.35 | Jack | how do i enable encrpytion? |
| 11:35.53 | becks` | hi, somebody knows how i could get the gui of a java application from my console-only server to my windows desktop? |
| 11:36.02 | xingu | lkthomas: most bind sites build the zones and associated config from a discrete provisioning record |
| 11:36.26 | jaalto | monokrome: In Debian installer there should be multiple VTs, one of them is the "log buffer" to see what it is doing. I don't remember exactly which one. But if it has frozen already, that may not work. Next time check the other VTs and let is show what is happening |
| 11:36.35 | Jack | jaalto: i didnt do anything to enable encryption, how do i do that? |
| 11:36.41 | lkthomas | xingu, hmm |
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| 11:36.49 | monokrome | jaalto: Okay. Thanks. |
| 11:37.05 | Jack | jaalto: all i've done so far is ./iwconfig eth0 essid Hive key <my key> |
| 11:37.09 | xingu | lkthomas: secondary config is nearly identical to primary; the change is s/master/slave/ in the zone config and allowing transfers from the slaves on the primary |
| 11:37.10 | lkthomas | xingu, but then you have to create the secondary zone before it could fetch all record from primary dns |
| 11:37.48 | xingu | lkthomas: no, you just need to push configuration data to the secondaries and let named-xfer get on and do its thing |
| 11:37.54 | Ox41464b | im windows user, and i want to try linux (but... still works with windows) how do i do that ? (i heard some kind of Virtual machine stuff), can some one give suggestion for me, Thanks |
| 11:37.56 | jaalto | monokrome: You might also want to try older Debian installers (e.g. latest "stable"); from where you can easily upgrade |
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| 11:38.13 | mosty | lkthomas: i just edit a makefile for djbdns |
| 11:38.59 | jaalto | jack: See man iwconfig(1) and the "key" entry |
| 11:39.31 | lkthomas | mosty, LOL, nothing else ? |
| 11:39.44 | xingu | lkthomas: for >100 zones or so across >3 nameserver irrespective of product you'll find yourself needing to write a suitable shim that sits between the ordering/billing record and the actual nameserver config |
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| 11:40.09 | lkthomas | xingu, I don't understand what you mean |
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| 11:40.11 | jaalto | jack: I think s'thing like: "iwconfig wlan0 key restricted XXXXXXXXX...." |
| 11:40.19 | xingu | lkthomas: at <10zones and <=3 nameservers you get away with doing it all by hand |
| 11:40.40 | Jack | jaalto: let me try that |
| 11:40.51 | lkthomas | as far as I remember, I have to do that by hand |
| 11:40.56 | jv | Installer question: is it possible to specify what device name should the usb stick i'm booting from have? |
| 11:41.03 | knoxy | I've backports and sarge-official in my sources.list only.. I will have problems if I add sarge-oficial, backports.org and dotdeb.org in my sources.list? |
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| 11:41.35 | jaalto | jack: of course substitute "wlan0" with your ethernet id (see "ifconfig -a") |
| 11:41.39 | xingu | lkthomas: sure, but scale defeats the "all by hand" idea; it also defeats the "nameserver config is the provisioning record" idea too. |
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| 11:41.58 | lkthomas | grrr, I don't think I could understand your statement |
| 11:42.21 | mosty | lkthomas: make will update primary & secondary dns for me :) |
| 11:42.37 | xingu | lkthomas: it's far easier to hold a suitable database of what zones are configured where and what they hold and then periodically extract it, push it to the nameservers, and build the configs on them |
| 11:42.48 | lkthomas | mosty, so do you need to create secondary zone file first or not ? |
| 11:42.56 | mosty | lkthomas: no |
| 11:42.58 | Jack | jaalto: i just did, and now it says im connected to esside Hive, security mode restricted, but it still says access point: invaild |
| 11:43.23 | lkthomas | does "secondary dns" same as "cache dns server" ? |
| 11:43.29 | xingu | lkthomas: with bind, you do need to configure the secondary, but you do not need to build a zone file; zone data != config data. |
| 11:43.34 | mosty | lkthomas: no |
| 11:43.50 | lkthomas | xingu, OH ? |
| 11:44.10 | tarzeau | are there scripts to only get the latest debian packages only the .deb packages, all of them of a mirror? |
| 11:44.18 | xingu | lkthomas: secondary is just a server that shares a coherent view of a given zone cut with some other system |
| 11:44.44 | xingu | tarzeau: apt-mirror? |
| 11:44.48 | jaalto | jack: Try changing mode: iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed |
| 11:44.56 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 11:45.02 | tarzeau | xingu: ok i'll do something own |
| 11:45.07 | tarzeau | xingu: no, apt-mirror is horrible |
| 11:45.21 | xingu | tarzeau: you didn't say "good" in your criterea :) |
| 11:45.31 | tarzeau | xingu: hehe :) right |
| 11:45.47 | xingu | tarzeau: aren't the archives still rsync'able? an include/exclude pattern and two seconds thinking gets you there |
| 11:46.03 | mosty | tarzeau: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 11:46.05 | tarzeau | xingu: no no i'll just use the Packages.gz of what i want; http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/ |
| 11:46.41 | jaalto | jack: check also: "iwpriv wlan0" |
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| 11:47.25 | Thms | is there a free package for unrar ? |
| 11:47.27 | xingu | tarzeau: interesting, so basically you want a trimmed repo that gives you the intersection of a private packages list and the "head" of one of the dist pools yeah? |
| 11:47.40 | tarzeau | xingu: no i want an lzma compressed debian package files repo :) |
| 11:47.45 | jaalto | jack: Do you have airo module loaded? "lsmod | grep airo" |
| 11:47.46 | tarzeau | xingu: and i'm creating one right now |
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| 11:47.57 | tarzeau | xingu: dpkg 1.13.25 is in sid and it supports lzma compressed .deb packages |
| 11:48.07 | xingu | nice |
| 11:48.18 | tarzeau | xingu: saves me a lot of diskspace (client and server) and transfer time/bandwith http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ |
| 11:48.18 | xingu | is lzma patent encumbered? |
| 11:48.22 | tarzeau | xingu: no it's not |
| 11:48.29 | Jack | Jaalto: one second, thanks for all your help so far |
| 11:48.31 | xingu | groovy |
| 11:48.44 | jaalto | tarzeau: really? When did that happen. Will the future packages be lzma compressed? |
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| 11:48.51 | xingu | tarzeau: compressed deb, or instead of gz for {control,data}.tar ? |
| 11:48.53 | tarzeau | jaalto: like today or yesterday |
| 11:49.10 | tarzeau | jaalto: no idea, but I will create a public repo at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ |
| 11:49.20 | tarzeau | jaalto: right now :) it'll take some time to compress them all though |
| 11:49.24 | jaalto | tarzeau: Oh, wow. Your post travel's fast. |
| 11:49.26 | Jack | jaalto: is there something im looking for after typing lsmod | grep airo? |
| 11:49.48 | Jack | I get the following lines, airo_cs, air, pcmcia |
| 11:49.54 | xingu | tarzeau: that's *really* going to hurt the low memory low FLOPS guys; can't imagine how long on my 8M 68030 amiga 3000 is going to take now. :) |
| 11:50.29 | xingu | ... dist-upgrade is going to take that is |
| 11:50.34 | tarzeau | xingu: it's better than bzip2 |
| 11:50.45 | jaalto | jack: if not appears, you don't have Cisco Wlan kernel module loaded. You sould see "airo_cs" or something like that. Try "modprobe airo_cs". HOWEVER: since I'm not using Cisco cards, you might want to check what is the proper kernel module name |
| 11:50.49 | tarzeau | xingu: i'm just doing this for i386 |
| 11:50.54 | xingu | *nod* |
| 11:51.07 | jaalto | jack: never mind - Typed without looking your response. Looking good. |
| 11:51.16 | xingu | tarzeau: are you recompressing the outer .deb or is it a change to lzma for {control,data}.tar |
| 11:51.26 | geet | strange thing happened...i did a dist-upgrade in sarge after a clean install, and after that, linux wouldnt detect my ethernet card and i couldnt connect to the internet...weird huh? |
| 11:51.32 | tarzeau | xingu: basically i recompress the data.tar.gz into data.tar.lzma |
| 11:51.41 | xingu | excellent |
| 11:51.42 | Jack | jaalto: yeah i see airo_cs then 7281 1 |
| 11:51.46 | jaalto | xingu: Not really with pdiff's |
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| 11:53.01 | Jack | jaalto: now what? =/ |
| 11:53.02 | Jack | sorry |
| 11:53.31 | jaalto | jack: what if you try to set access point directly: "iwconfig wlan0 ap <your AP MAC number>" |
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| 11:54.22 | rusher | how do you install ice weasel on e tc |
| 11:54.30 | rusher | it is not in my repository , only icedove |
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| 11:56.29 | tarzeau | xingu: it's working :) http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ check pool :) |
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| 11:56.57 | Mooi | Hello, I would like to install Debian etch/testing to a PC. That PC has got LAN boot ability. How would I do this all? |
| 11:57.14 | rusher | what I did mooi was download the net install cd |
| 11:57.23 | rusher | worked good on my 3 systems |
| 11:57.32 | rusher | it is in testing, but runs great |
| 11:57.32 | Mooi | I want to install without a CD |
| 11:57.33 | moshii | Mooi: you want to start the install over lan or run the whole system from a remote disk? |
| 11:57.39 | rusher | you need a cd |
| 11:57.39 | xingu | tarzeau: pure64 here |
| 11:57.44 | Mooi | moshii: install over lan |
| 11:57.54 | Mooi | rusher: no, I have LAN boot capability on that PC. I know this is possible |
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| 11:58.01 | rusher | wow how |
| 11:58.08 | Zta | Mooi, install a bootftpd on a server, and download an image prepared for this. |
| 11:58.10 | rusher | i always seen that option but never seen it in action\ |
| 11:58.25 | moshii | Mooi: easier to boot a netinst cd than use pxe etc |
| 11:58.27 | Mooi | LAN boot looksup for DHCP servers through the network and then if one offers image, it bgets it. I just know it, but never tried |
| 11:58.36 | Jack | jaalto: just tried via mac address, no luck =/ |
| 11:58.45 | Mooi | Zta: are there images from Debian though? |
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| 11:59.29 | xingu | tarzeau: it's leaving data.tar.lzma lint behind y'know? |
| 12:00.35 | rusher | is iceweasel for amd64 yet? *etch* |
| 12:00.40 | jaalto | jack: I'm ou of ideas. I think the encryption part at this point is too much and you should get the card working in plain wireless mode first. The Cisco is quite well supported so you'll find plenty of advices from GOOGLE. |
| 12:00.48 | blondie | rusher: it's not in etch at all |
| 12:00.54 | tarzeau | xingu: i'm cleaning that up |
| 12:00.58 | rusher | it installed on my 32bit etch |
| 12:01.05 | rusher | but is not on my 64bit |
| 12:01.16 | Jack | jaalto: okay |
| 12:01.19 | Jack | thanks for all your help dude |
| 12:01.30 | Jack | im gonna go, have a good night |
| 12:01.40 | Jack | i'll figure something out in the morning |
| 12:01.40 | blondie | rusher: iceweasel isn't in etch at all |
| 12:02.02 | Mooi | ok, I'll just use a CD(if i can find it) |
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| 12:02.11 | rusher | im telling you it is installed on my etch 32bit laptop from synaptic |
| 12:02.17 | Zta | Mooi, I found a hacked image that worked fine for me when I installed on my Thinkpad X30. I can't find the homepage right now. |
| 12:02.19 | cahoot | Mooi: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-December/016701.html |
| 12:02.24 | Zta | Mooi, perhaps this will help: http://www.acooke.org/andrew/writing/x31.html |
| 12:02.30 | Mooi | google helped me already :) |
| 12:02.31 | blondie | rusher: you must have some non-standard source then, as it's not in etch |
| 12:02.42 | Mooi | it'd need closing down the dhcp server of the router |
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| 12:02.50 | blondie | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=iceweasel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 12:03.02 | rusher | hmmmm |
| 12:03.34 | Zta | Mooi, or: http://web.archive.org/web/20050420053712/www.trilug.org/~mtodd/blog/Tech/DebianSargeOnIBMThinkpadX30.rdoc |
| 12:03.55 | Mooi | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 ^^ easier |
| 12:04.01 | Zta | Mooi, I think the latter describes pretty much everything you need to know. |
| 12:04.08 | Zta | Mooi, ok =) |
| 12:04.14 | Mooi | http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install or Ubuntu way =] |
| 12:04.30 | Mooi | yeah, I see now. It's bit complex. I'll just download the cd |
| 12:05.01 | Zta | It's not that complex. But it's a bit of work for something you'll only need once. |
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| 12:05.30 | Mooi | "businesscard CD image " < what is different from this and Netinstall? Does it not contain any base system packages or something? |
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| 12:07.26 | tarzeau | xingu: this will take some time .. like i've got 78 packages of 19000 |
| 12:08.04 | mosty | is there a shell command that will turn a unix timestamp into something human readable? |
| 12:08.31 | xingu | tarzeau: where's a 64-way opteron when you need one |
| 12:08.50 | xingu | tarzeau: you are dispatching as many compressors as you have cpu's, right? :) |
| 12:08.52 | tarzeau | xingu: well can you run a webserver on it? |
| 12:08.57 | tarzeau | xingu: of course |
| 12:09.27 | tarzeau | xingu: feel free to run the justdoit script with binary-amd64 |
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| 12:09.50 | tarzeau | xingu: if you need to run two of them, just run a second such script with Packages "tac"ed |
| 12:09.55 | xingu | tarzeau: not enough space anywhere for a mirror :| |
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| 12:12.00 | pablo_ | hi, i did a netinstall with the wireless on a notebook (etch i386) and everithing goes all right, just after the first reboot it stopped working |
| 12:12.08 | rusher | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-iceweasel-web-browser-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html |
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| 12:12.26 | janttsu | a xorg update to etch just came out...? should it not be freezed now? |
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| 12:12.56 | tarzeau | janttsu: yes it's freezed, but rc bugs need be fixed |
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| 12:13.50 | pablo_ | mmm strange, now it works |
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| 12:15.22 | blondie | rusher: that's a different iceweasel to the debian one |
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| 12:16.00 | blondie | !ops 88.227.30.155 is join/part spamming |
| 12:16.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: 88.227.30.155 is join/part spamming |
| 12:16.31 | rusher | dam |
| 12:16.44 | rusher | the icon is not the cute one =( |
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| 12:17.43 | DimmuR | !ops 88.227.30.155 is join/part spamming |
| 12:17.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dimmur complains about: 88.227.30.155 is join/part spamming |
| 12:17.54 | blondie | rusher: that's gnu iceweasel which is based on firefox 1.5... debian one is based on 2.0 |
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| 12:19.38 | cydork | rusher: and it has this http://www.geticeweasel.org/mosaic/ :P |
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| 12:19.55 | DaveQB | moshii: it appears both of my Sarge server installs don't have either udev nor devfs |
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| 12:20.23 | DaveQB | its curious I had no issues with my first Sarge server, must of been because I didnt use any SCSI disks, much less boot of them |
| 12:20.24 | Skaag | which package contains the terminal definitions, for example for 'xterm'? |
| 12:20.45 | rusher | thanks! |
| 12:20.46 | tarzeau | Skaag: termcap ? |
| 12:21.02 | Skaag | tarzeau: I tried to install termcap-compat (I can't find a package that is just termcap) |
| 12:21.19 | tarzeau | Skaag: it's essential |
| 12:21.20 | Skaag | the problem is that when I try to run "top" for example, I get this message: top: Unknown terminal "xterm" in $TERM |
| 12:21.32 | tarzeau | Skaag: in xterm or where? |
| 12:21.50 | Skaag | well i'm using gnome-terminal, and I am in an ssh session to another debian box |
| 12:21.59 | Skaag | so it sets TERM to 'xterm' |
| 12:22.29 | mosty | is there a way to get find to list files that are more than 2 hours old (like -ctime but in units smaller than days) ? |
| 12:22.39 | Skaag | mosty: yes |
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| 12:22.49 | Skaag | mosty: it's one of the textbook examples if you do: info find |
| 12:23.09 | Skaag | mosty: you will find that info contains some really nice recipes for the find command, look in the "cleanup" section |
| 12:23.18 | Thms | can i use netinst with wifi ? |
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| 12:23.56 | mosty | skaag, for some reason i hate the info command, i use man. didn't see anything in there |
| 12:24.38 | Skaag | mosty: find's man pages don't contain that info |
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| 12:25.12 | Skaag | I mean it contains descriptions of all params, etc. but very few examples. |
| 12:25.23 | mosty | i need to figure out how to use info properly then |
| 12:25.31 | Skaag | info find |
| 12:25.53 | Skaag | go down to "Common Tasks" and press Enter |
| 12:26.00 | mosty | i know that part, it's moving around inside the info command that is icky |
| 12:26.08 | Skaag | arrows... |
| 12:26.44 | mosty | i mean, it's like hypertext sortof, but i can't figure out how to go back |
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| 12:27.01 | mosty | anyway, i found it, -cmin |
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| 12:27.04 | mosty | thanks |
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| 12:27.32 | pablo_ | i did an apt-get upgrade and it says that 6 packages haven been updated and dont even try so |
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| 12:28.38 | pablo_ | i did an apt-get upgrade and it says that 6 packages havent been updated and dont even try so |
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| 12:31.04 | DaveQB | pablo_: guessing here, but sometimes you need to use dist-upgrade |
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| 12:31.04 | DaveQB | try it with the -s [simulate] argument and see what happens |
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| 12:31.05 | scx | I forgot how to get rid of the "are you sure you want to descend and deltete the ..." when rm -r a folder |
| 12:31.13 | pablo_ | DaveQB: ok, do you recommend so? |
| 12:31.16 | DaveQB | scx: rm -rf |
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| 12:31.27 | scx | yah!! |
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| 12:31.29 | DaveQB | pablo_: try with -s switch, it wont actually do anything |
| 12:31.30 | scx | thnks |
| 12:31.35 | DaveQB | scx: no worries |
| 12:31.59 | pablo_ | DaveQB: apt-get upgrade +s switch? |
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| 12:32.19 | DaveQB | pablo_: apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 12:32.46 | pablo_ | DaveQB: and what is the difference with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 12:33.19 | DaveQB | with -s it wont actually do it, just show you what would happen, in case in brings in the whole world and you do not want to do it |
| 12:33.26 | sam_uk | I am using gnome-main-menu the network status icon displays 'no network' even when there is a network connection. how can i fix this please? |
| 12:33.51 | mkl1525 | Hi, just installed a debian etch and tried to configure the apache2 but failed until I recognized that apach2 wants its files in /htdoc and not in /var/www - did I misconfigure something or is this intended behavior? |
| 12:33.55 | DaveQB | anyone know any easy way to tell what branch of debian there system is running ? |
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| 12:34.27 | jv | DaveQB: I'd look into apt.conf |
| 12:34.36 | Ronin | DaveQB: cat /etc/debian_version as well |
| 12:34.38 | DaveQB | jv cheers |
| 12:34.58 | DaveQB | Ronin: ahh thought that might be the case, Salckware has similiar |
| 12:34.59 | jv | DaveQB: or /etc/debian_version |
| 12:34.59 | DaveQB | cheers |
| 12:35.07 | DaveQB | lol |
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| 12:37.18 | k-man | how can i make a machine log on automaticaly at boot time? |
| 12:37.39 | k-man | preferably to a terminal (no X) |
| 12:37.45 | scx | k-man: you can set it on KDM or GDM |
| 12:38.10 | k-man | scx, and to do it to a vt? |
| 12:38.18 | scx | in KDE use kcontrol, in GDM... I dunno |
| 12:38.34 | scx | vt? |
| 12:38.45 | mosty | k-man: edit /etc/inittab, use getty to run a script on a tty that calls login |
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| 12:39.13 | scx | vt? |
| 12:39.14 | k-man | mosty, oh.. .ok |
| 12:39.21 | k-man | vt = virtual terminal |
| 12:39.57 | scx | why would you want someone to get into vt on X ? |
| 12:40.09 | scx | why not to make init 3 default ? |
| 12:40.11 | Coweater | no X, read again |
| 12:40.12 | k-man | scx, not on X |
| 12:40.17 | k-man | no X |
| 12:40.25 | k-man | yeah, thanks Coweater :) |
| 12:40.32 | scx | oh,, ooops! |
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| 12:40.58 | k-man | mosty, won't login still prompt me for a password? |
| 12:41.40 | jv | k-man: or just put /bin/sh in the inittab |
| 12:42.04 | mosty | k-man: man login, see the -f arg |
| 12:42.25 | k-man | mosty, yeah, i found that just after i asked you (shoulda read the man page first ;) |
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| 12:42.37 | mosty | perhaps you could do what jv said |
| 12:43.12 | k-man | i want to log on as a particular non root user |
| 12:43.25 | mosty | then use my method |
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| 12:43.43 | k-man | most, so i can just replace the getty bit in inittab with login -f user? |
| 12:44.05 | mhiku | what software uses mailer.conf |
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| 12:46.21 | k-man | so after modifying inittab, how do i restart it/ |
| 12:46.21 | k-man | ? |
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| 12:47.24 | mhiku | who uses mailer.conf in eselect mailer list? |
| 12:47.27 | jv | k-man: init q |
| 12:47.28 | rzepa_pit | hi , is there anyone who can help me ? i have problems with network . . |
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| 12:48.15 | k-man | yeah |
| 12:48.17 | k-man | that did it |
| 12:48.18 | k-man | thanks |
| 12:48.20 | k-man | anyway |
| 12:48.23 | k-man | time for bed |
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| 12:48.28 | k-man | night all |
| 12:48.39 | sam_uk | is there a way to fix network monitoring applet so they show correct info? currently it says it is permanently disconnected... |
| 12:48.50 | perlmonk | http://pacsec.jp/psj06/psj06lagadec-e.pdf <---- Very interresting reading about security issues, also compare ooo and ms office |
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| 12:49.14 | rhalff | hi after an upgrade I cannot connect to mysql in the normal way without specifying the host with -h |
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| 12:49.29 | rhalff | it will say Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 12:49.38 | rhalff | with -h 127.0.0.1 it connects just fine though |
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| 12:54.30 | Niklas- | How come g++-4.1 is released in a new version that depends on gcc-base and such, but thoose dependensies isn't available? |
| 12:55.42 | mosty | niklas: which release of debian are you using? |
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| 12:55.47 | Niklas- | etch |
| 12:56.31 | Niklas- | And i've tried 4 different mirrors, so i can't be a local mirror issue |
| 12:56.53 | moshii | Niklas-: maybe isn't depending on a newer -n that hasn't made it into etch yet |
| 12:57.09 | necr00ne | somebody have experience with virtual pc and debian? |
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| 12:59.00 | necr00ne | or other question is "why i got no desktop after booting, just the console?" |
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| 12:59.14 | Niklas- | moshii: they released a new gcc-4.1 without updating the dependensies and broke the package |
| 12:59.52 | Niklas- | necr00ne: you have to install the desktop software first and configurere it |
| 13:00.02 | itchi | rhalff: Only localhost is allowed, check you config |
| 13:00.05 | necr00ne | :) okay how |
| 13:00.08 | BloodHunter | i wouldnt suggest kde |
| 13:00.10 | BloodHunter | kde sucks |
| 13:00.12 | moshii | Niklas-: I'm sure they've updated the packages it depends on, there might be some reason it's held up |
| 13:00.31 | moshii | Niklas-: this is the exact reason I dont dist-upgrade everyday ;) |
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| 13:00.34 | rhalff | itchi, but mysql -u root -p should be allowed by default then, no ? |
| 13:00.49 | rhalff | itchi, or I should remove the socket references ? |
| 13:00.50 | necr00ne | bloodhunter: what do u suggest? |
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| 13:00.57 | itchi | rhalff: If you not specify -h, default it's localhost i thought |
| 13:01.01 | g2for | where do i have to look if i get command not found on executin xf86cfg |
| 13:01.05 | BloodHunter | on debian? dunno ;D |
| 13:01.11 | BloodHunter | only tried ubuntu with ubuntu desktop |
| 13:01.20 | BloodHunter | but debian hm |
| 13:01.21 | itchi | rhalff: There's a new security rule, localhost is default only allowed |
| 13:01.35 | rhalff | yeah |
| 13:02.16 | itchi | rhalff: Look to bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:02.19 | Niklas- | moshii: its a new installation where i need a compiler for the kernel.. and *STILL* they broke the package so it's unuseable which i pretty bad |
| 13:02.28 | rhalff | with -h localhost it fails, with -h 127.0.0.1 it is succesful, when I ping localhost I get 127.0.0.1 so nothing wrong with that |
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| 13:02.36 | xingu | Niklas-: and which branch is this? |
| 13:02.37 | itchi | rhalff: That little comment about that line will give you some useful info btw |
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| 13:02.50 | Niklas- | xingu: etch amd64 |
| 13:03.10 | Niklas- | rhalff: localhost means using a local socket, not a tcp/ip connection so localhost != 127.0.0.1 when using mysql |
| 13:03.18 | rhalff | ahh ok :) |
| 13:03.38 | itchi | rhalff: ;-) |
| 13:03.53 | g2for | could sb. help me with the xf86cfg command not found problem |
| 13:04.41 | itchi | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 13:04.53 | itchi | You need to tell me |
| 13:05.17 | itchi | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:05.53 | itchi | Niklas-: Can i get more info ;-) Interesting in the stuff |
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| 13:06.04 | Niklas- | BloodHunter: log into the console and run this command: apt-get install gnome xorg-server - that will install the gnome desktop environment and the xorg xserver for you, so you have a desktop. You might also want to apt-get install gdm for a display manager to login when booting your pc |
| 13:06.50 | Niklas- | itchi: whats the problem? |
| 13:06.56 | itchi | Niklas-: I not understand |
| 13:07.24 | itchi | Niklas-: Saw my paste of the config file? |
| 13:07.37 | Niklas- | only the bind-address thingie |
| 13:07.39 | itchi | Or maybe is my english so bad |
| 13:08.35 | itchi | Niklas-: You told that 'localhost != 127.0.0.1', but that #comment in the config file confuse me now |
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| 13:10.50 | Niklas- | itchi: When starting up, mysql can listen to connections on whatever ip you want it to. That ip is what you specify in the config file, but it only applies to TCP/IP connections. When you specify localhost as connection to your mysql server (or specify localhost as the host a user is allowed to connect from) it's done through a unix socket, and not a tcp/ip connection |
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| 13:12.01 | itchi | Niklas-: I dunno at that level |
| 13:12.38 | itchi | Niklas-: I thought i make an TCP/IP connection whatever he need to go too |
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| 13:16.27 | Niklas- | itchi: yeah thats also the normal action, but when using mysql localhost is the unix connection |
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| 13:17.27 | xingu | Niklas-: the pool has g++-4.1, gcc-4.1-base both at 4.1.1-19 for amd64 |
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| 13:17.47 | xingu | Niklas-: what specifically is choking, and what does apt-cache show for those two packages say locally? maybe paste the output of all three |
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| 13:24.48 | rusher | hello |
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| 13:25.02 | dnanar_ | hi |
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| 13:25.25 | Niklas- | xingu: yeah i've found some of the packages too, but 2 secs then i'll paste it |
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| 13:28.28 | Niklas- | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/302762 |
| 13:28.28 | Niklas- | the first is output from apt-get install g++-4.1 |
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| 13:30.07 | xingu | Niklas-: not sure how gcc-4.1 -21 has found its way into etch, packages.debian.org disagrees with that view |
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| 13:31.10 | Eulex | xingu, packages.debian.org is frequently a bit out-of-date |
| 13:31.37 | xingu | Eulex: since 20061211? |
| 13:31.44 | xingu | Eulex: unlikely, I'd think. |
| 13:32.20 | Eulex | xingu, now I don't understand? |
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| 13:32.39 | rusher | try installing etch |
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| 13:32.43 | xingu | Eulex: that's when 4.1.1-21 hit the pool; where, I might add, it's being offered for unstable |
| 13:33.13 | xingu | Eulex: I don't understand how it could be 2w+ out of date with its packages file for testing and for this not to register somewhere |
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| 13:33.48 | xingu | Eulex: I think it far more credible that it has a coherent view of etch's amd64 packages database and that 4.1.1-19 is indeed the offered version for amd64/testing |
| 13:33.51 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:33.53 | Eulex | xingu, well... but the date/time it hit unstable wasn't what was discussed. 4.1.1-21 could potentially have hit testing tonight, but at least my mirror disagrees. |
| 13:34.09 | xingu | Eulex: it didn't though, I checked that first before commenting. :) |
| 13:34.39 | Eulex | xingu, you checked with packages.debian.org? |
| 13:34.53 | xingu | Eulex: and directly in the pool, yes |
| 13:35.26 | Eulex | xingu, ok |
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| 13:35.34 | xingu | I also tried to check with dpkg but the syntax escapes me and there's no help. :) |
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| 13:36.05 | xingu | and now that I have a credible guess, I'm going to be a bastard and download the packages file too for good measure |
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| 13:36.42 | J_P | hey, how I change datetime from one file ? |
| 13:37.18 | xingu | right, so as expected |
| 13:38.05 | xingu | 4.1.1-19 all round |
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| 13:38.19 | xingu | Niklas-: somehow you've leaked unstable/ into your etch is my best guess |
| 13:39.39 | Meaw | my system bootup in read-only mode. |
| 13:39.49 | Meaw | i've run fsck but it didnt solve the problem |
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| 13:42.06 | Meaw | any thoughts about how to get this working |
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| 13:43.54 | yellowbee | www.myspace.com/doggerdan <---- New myspace XSS exploit PoC (proff of concept) |
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| 13:44.10 | blondie | yellowbee: spammer |
| 13:44.19 | yellowbee | no |
| 13:44.22 | yellowbee | im not spamming |
| 13:44.23 | yellowbee | wtf |
| 13:44.28 | blondie | yes you are. |
| 13:44.32 | yellowbee | :| |
| 13:44.35 | blondie | that has nothing to do with debian |
| 13:45.44 | Meaw | guys filesystem in read-mode only |
| 13:45.52 | Meaw | how to fix this |
| 13:45.55 | Meaw | i tried fsck |
| 13:46.01 | Meaw | but it didnt solve it |
| 13:46.02 | xingu | Meaw: you can start by telling us what filesystem it is |
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| 13:46.38 | rusher | you can not scan a drive while you are booted from it |
| 13:46.46 | xingu | s/can/should/ |
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| 13:50.29 | pablo_ | hi, how do i configure the apt repositories |
| 13:50.50 | rusher | modify the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:51.20 | Ebbs | Hi! If I want to save bookmarks in my firefox 2, they are vanished after firefox restart. That only happens while being a normal user, but not as root! How can I solve this problem? |
| 13:51.24 | rusher | as root ofcourse |
| 13:51.51 | pablo_ | rusher: sure, i was wondering if there is any dpkg-reconfigure or similar in order to chose another location |
| 13:52.36 | rusher | deslect |
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| 13:52.46 | Ebbs | pablo_, have you got sarge or etch? |
| 13:53.09 | pablo_ | Ebbs: etch |
| 13:54.02 | Ebbs | pablo_, with sarge tehre is the possibility of "base-config", bout with etch there is no possibility known to me! |
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| 13:54.23 | xingu | apt-setup |
| 13:54.28 | Ebbs | oh |
| 13:54.52 | xingu | or apt-spy on etch |
| 13:55.21 | xingu | but generally - it's easy enough to just edit the file per hand I find |
| 13:55.39 | rusher | hell yeagh |
| 13:55.42 | rusher | or use synaptic |
| 13:55.44 | rusher | lol |
| 13:55.47 | xingu | ftp.cc.debian.org - not too hard, really. |
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| 13:56.14 | paines | hi |
| 13:56.20 | Ebbs | Hi! If I want to save bookmarks in my firefox 2, they are vanished after firefox restart. That only happens while being a normal user, but not as root! How can I solve this problem? |
| 13:56.37 | rusher | manage bookmarks and save it i guess |
| 13:56.42 | paines | after an upgrade trac stopped to send email notifications. anyone can help on this subject ? |
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| 13:59.28 | capiira | hmm how can i change the default date/h format for the whole system? actually its x:xx am/pm and i want xx:xx 24h |
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| 14:03.36 | freach` | which comfortable cmd line tool can i use to partion my debian system AFTER installation, or how can i enter the partion program used in the installation ? |
| 14:03.51 | freach` | and pls no fdisk cfdisk etc |
| 14:03.57 | rusher | gparted |
| 14:04.28 | rusher | fdisk is easy |
| 14:04.57 | freach` | rusher: sure it is, but i have to configure several lvm's |
| 14:05.14 | rusher | you will love gparted, it is gui though |
| 14:05.25 | freach` | ncurses gui ? |
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| 14:05.47 | freach` | or gtk qt etc ? |
| 14:05.58 | freach` | cause i don't have gui and need a cmd line tool |
| 14:05.59 | nayyares | where i can download glibc2.4 ? |
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| 14:06.22 | rusher | synaptic, apt-get |
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| 14:06.49 | tolan | hello after i install debian i get an error Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init and then the BusyBox i saw this problem on gogole but can't find a solution... |
| 14:07.09 | lkthomas | I have qestion on raid5, 3 of my RAID 5 HDD is 251.0GB, and I want to see another model which is 250.0GB, would it work ? |
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| 14:09.25 | Ebbs | Hi! If I want to save bookmarks in my firefox 2, they are vanished after firefox restart. That only happens while being a normal user, but not as root! How can I solve this problem? Ive got debian/etch! |
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| 14:10.20 | tolan | Ebbs : check the permision on the folder where firefox tries to save the bookmarks |
| 14:10.31 | xingu | lkthomas: like a square wheel; because such things happen it's usually a good idea to undersize your slices so that they fit into the disk with 10MB spare or so. |
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| 14:11.00 | xingu | lkthomas: but it's a much better idea to build a volume group out of identical spindles. |
| 14:11.05 | Ebbs | tolan, is this folder the folder where firefox is installed? |
| 14:11.38 | Ebbs | tolan, or is this folder in the home directory? |
| 14:12.04 | tolan | Ebbs in the home directory, try ls -la |
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| 14:12.19 | tolan | Ebbs and see what permisions do you have on it |
| 14:12.44 | Ebbs | tolan, ive got all permissions |
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| 14:14.01 | for2 | what do i need for the basic xwindow system to run? xserver-commmon and ? |
| 14:14.33 | tolan | Ebbs : then run firefox from comand line save a bookmark.. quit.. and see if you get any msg's in the console |
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| 14:14.52 | gbon121 | for2: and xserver-xfree86 on sarge, xserver-xorg on etch |
| 14:15.13 | tolan | for2 i think you need some fonts too.. maybe xfs |
| 14:15.15 | rusher | apt-get install gnome will install all depencies |
| 14:15.17 | undesktop | are there Debian packets which contain readily compiled recent Linux kernels with suspend2 patch applied? |
| 14:15.35 | for2 | tolan: will debconf then start automatidcally? |
| 14:16.00 | gbon121 | for2: and xfonts-base |
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| 14:16.16 | tolan | for2 can't tell.. it should |
| 14:16.39 | for2 | i tried that and in the documentation it says debconf will do the rest. |
| 14:16.41 | for2 | but it doesnt |
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| 14:17.14 | for2 | would i be gettting xf86cfg with the files you mentioned? |
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| 14:18.39 | for2 | ... |
| 14:18.48 | peterrus | I am using gnome 2.14.3 on debian and wonder if it is possible to view the contents of computer:/// on my desktop, so that i have no more Desktop folder, but instead this is computer:/// |
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| 14:19.23 | sss111 | hello |
| 14:19.33 | tolan | for2 let me check |
| 14:19.45 | sss111 | can you help me on iptables? |
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| 14:20.02 | tolan | sss111 ask and i will do my best |
| 14:20.23 | ajehuk | tolan - did you get any furthere with your lilo issues yesterday? |
| 14:20.25 | tolan | for2 The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 14:20.27 | sss111 | is this correct to ban 111.111.111.0/24 from port 25 "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 111.111.111.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DROP" |
| 14:21.03 | Fox | yes sss111 |
| 14:21.04 | oldab | gtklp is set to 4 copies of each print job. how can i set it to one? |
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| 14:21.13 | tolan | sss111 should york |
| 14:21.15 | sss111 | iptables v1.2.7a |
| 14:21.24 | tolan | ajehuk no :(( |
| 14:21.28 | the_mug | hola amigos |
| 14:21.33 | the_mug | I'm getting this: ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory when I do a `sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart` any ideas why? |
| 14:21.36 | ajehuk | nightmare |
| 14:21.49 | the_mug | obviously the statefile is _not_ there... the question is why? :-/ |
| 14:21.53 | tolan | ajehuk: i get arget filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init and a busybox |
| 14:22.10 | tolan | ajehuk i reinstalled the system from a netinstall image... but the same |
| 14:22.12 | cahoot_ | the_mug, if you justy start instead? |
| 14:22.20 | for2 | how do i select checkboxes via keyboard? |
| 14:22.29 | tolan | for2 : tab |
| 14:22.38 | the_mug | cahoot_: either of them... start stop restart same results |
| 14:22.40 | abrotman | tab or space |
| 14:22.42 | for2 | just to keep you busy :) |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | tab to change .. space to select |
| 14:23.05 | Dewi | I am trying to recover a disk... ddrescue looks wonderful, just what I dreamed of having. However, I have found in my earlier attempts that my machine *does* crash pretty often when reading this bad disk. What should I ideally be recovering TO in a situation where multiple crashes are likely? |
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| 14:23.34 | Dewi | For example I should probably eliminate whatever forms of caching I can, so that everything stays nice and synchronous |
| 14:23.42 | xingu | the_mug: what about /etc/network/run/ ? |
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| 14:24.02 | Dewi | is ext3 the best fs type to power down repeatedly? :D |
| 14:24.02 | xingu | the_mug: I'm thinking it may be one of those initrd related swizzles |
| 14:24.04 | the_mug | xingu: non-existent. |
| 14:24.13 | xingu | the_mug: maybe that's the problem? |
| 14:25.14 | the_mug | xingu: yeah but how did it get un-created ? :-/ |
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| 14:25.26 | xingu | the_mug: cheeky internet gnomes, it's always the gnomes. |
| 14:25.30 | abrotman | Dewi: okay .. you are NOT allowed to touch any more disks |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | Dewi: and yes .. probably |
| 14:26.11 | the_mug | xingu: heh. but I'm on that machine and the network works fine. |
| 14:26.33 | the_mug | that's what's weird. (too many apostrophes) |
| 14:26.35 | xingu | the_mug: what I'm wondering is - does ifup get run in the initrd context with *its* var/run mounted |
| 14:27.02 | for2 | another one: on this tutorial it tells me to run xf86cfg which should be contained in the package but i get command not found |
| 14:27.03 | xingu | the_mug: that would give you your failure mode in a nutshell; no bind mount to regraft the initrd var/run to your post-initrd world... hey presto |
| 14:27.08 | tolan | abrotman: do you know anything about an error like Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init after install ? |
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| 14:27.14 | cydork | !drxx for2 |
| 14:27.15 | dpkg | for2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | tolan: can't open /dev/console ? |
| 14:27.33 | tolan | tolan passed that one :) |
| 14:27.38 | xingu | the_mug: it's a theory, not an explanation - but it would fit the symptoms if true. |
| 14:27.44 | tolan | abrotman ^ |
| 14:27.54 | abrotman | tolan: the actual error might be helpful |
| 14:27.57 | the_mug | xingu: ifup -a yields the exact same error |
| 14:28.05 | the_mug | xingu: so does ifdown |
| 14:28.10 | tolan | abrotman http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-09/msg00043.html |
| 14:28.11 | xingu | the_mug: if it's any consolation, my sid has etc/network/run and var/run/network and ifstate is in the former. |
| 14:28.21 | xingu | the_mug: is this sid or etch? |
| 14:28.24 | Dewi | abrotman: I've just about backed up everything now. There's just one more ext3 disk to copy, so my mind turns to tackling this corrupted NTFS disk... |
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| 14:28.30 | the_mug | etch |
| 14:28.39 | tolan | abrotman : only yhe last error.. |
| 14:28.47 | abrotman | tolan: does it actually exist ? |
| 14:28.57 | the_mug | xingu: so can I just create it by hand somehow? |
| 14:28.59 | tolan | abrotman : what ? |
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| 14:29.14 | xingu | the_mug: maybe the sid behaviour is a post-etch bugfix? I'm reaching here... what happens if you create /etc/network/run (0:0 mode 755) and rerun ifup -a ? |
| 14:29.22 | tolan | abrotman the filesystem ? |
| 14:29.46 | the_mug | xingu: :: trying that :: |
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| 14:30.38 | cydork | tolan: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory |
| 14:30.40 | abrotman | tolan: does /sbin/init actually exist ? |
| 14:30.53 | the_mug | xingu: that fixes it. |
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| 14:30.56 | the_mug | weird stuff |
| 14:31.04 | the_mug | xingu: thanks! |
| 14:31.04 | tolan | abrotman in the busy box, if i type ls |
| 14:31.15 | tolan | abrotman i can see init i can run it.. but i get the same error again |
| 14:31.15 | xingu | the_mug: very; now the research; when did it break and is this an etch rc bug? |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | tolan: the error cydork is pointing at is probably more important |
| 14:31.51 | xingu | the_mug: loss of ifstate is going to play merry hell with largescale dynamic interfaces (ppp/vpn concentrator) I'd imagine |
| 14:32.15 | the_mug | xingu: well I actually put it under /var/run/network/ and it works again |
| 14:32.37 | the_mug | and I had to `mkdir /var/run/network` |
| 14:32.52 | xingu | the_mug: aah, what does grep var/run /proc/mounts say? |
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| 14:33.37 | zar | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 14:33.48 | zar | just build a the kernel |
| 14:34.14 | zar | no wonder it was not blocking |
| 14:34.21 | for2 | why would i get command not found for startx after installing the 3 basic parts(xserver-common, xfree86, xfonts-base) |
| 14:34.28 | the_mug | xingu: crap... it's doing the exact same thing on Ubuntu Edgy! :-/ |
| 14:34.31 | Dewi | how do I get a raw device node for a partition (on sata)? raw is in... no buffering or caching from the kernel |
| 14:34.37 | the_mug | xingu: maybe a core bug? |
| 14:34.44 | xingu | the_mug: my new theory is that var/run is mounted as tmpfs for you |
| 14:34.47 | Dewi | it's "raw" isn't it? |
| 14:34.50 | Dewi | ... :P |
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| 14:35.14 | the_mug | grep var/run /proc/mounts yields -> tmpfs /var/run tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0 |
| 14:35.17 | tolan | abrotman but what to do about it |
| 14:35.21 | xingu | damn I'm good |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | tolan: fix it ... |
| 14:35.32 | xingu | the_mug: what does /etc/default/tmpfs say about the world? |
| 14:35.33 | the_mug | xingu: so is that a problem? |
| 14:35.48 | cydork | tolan: might be udev problem.. but not sure |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | might be ? |
| 14:36.05 | xingu | the_mug: yes, var/run is mounted tmpfs (hence not persistant across boots) and yet var/run/network/ isn't created by the networking script |
| 14:36.27 | cydork | abrotman: well it's a udev problem then :P |
| 14:36.36 | the_mug | xingu: ... so to fix that ... I need to... ? |
| 14:37.01 | undesktop | ouch |
| 14:37.05 | xingu | the_mug: either not use tmpfs var/run (maybe set in etc/default/tmpfs?) or better bug against etc/init.d/networking |
| 14:37.09 | undesktop | is it not ok to mount /var/run as tmpfs? |
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| 14:37.18 | abrotman | tolan: did you install with a 2.4 then upgrade to a 2.6 ? |
| 14:37.36 | xingu | undesktop: it's fine, iff the init script authors are on their toes and expect the spanish inquisition |
| 14:37.45 | tolan | abrotman : no.. 2.6 directly |
| 14:38.01 | undesktop | xingu: does that mean it's not fine at all |
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| 14:38.04 | tolan | abrotman i upgraded and got the dev/console error then reinstalled and i got this.. |
| 14:38.20 | xingu | undesktop: it means "free software means youdo your own regression testing" |
| 14:38.27 | cydork | tolan: which installer are you using? |
| 14:38.32 | undesktop | xingu: I also had this impression |
| 14:38.47 | lkthomas | guys |
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| 14:38.56 | lkthomas | I am setting up slave dns server |
| 14:38.59 | the_mug | xingu: nothing on etc/default/tmpfs :-/ |
| 14:39.06 | lkthomas | but I got this : sysquery: nlookup error on ? |
| 14:39.06 | the_mug | lemme check fstab maybe |
| 14:39.31 | xingu | the_mug: is there a toggle in etc/default/tmpfs or elsewhere in etc/default that sets the RAMRUN env var? |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | tolan: upgraded what ? |
| 14:40.03 | xingu | might be rcS, but grep is goo. |
| 14:40.06 | xingu | s/goo/good. |
| 14:40.37 | the_mug | xingu: argh! I remember... I was messing with this when trying to get qemu kqemu setup... :-/ |
| 14:40.49 | tolan | abrotman upgraded my kernel and got the dev/consoel error... then formatet and got this.. |
| 14:40.52 | xingu | the_mug: *nod* I think I remember being the B end of that conversation. :) |
| 14:40.57 | tolan | cydork etch |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | tolan: upgraded your kernel to what ? from what ? |
| 14:41.15 | tolan | abrotman from latest-sarge to latest-etch |
| 14:41.24 | tolan | abrotman 26.8 to 2.6.18 |
| 14:41.26 | abrotman | tolan: so you went from non-udev to udev |
| 14:41.32 | the_mug | xingu: this may not be a bug at all... sorry |
| 14:41.36 | xingu | the_mug: raise a bug against netbase for this one, it's high prio maybe rc |
| 14:41.47 | xingu | no, etc/init.d/networking is seriously busted in this dimension |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | tolan: does the old kernel boot ? |
| 14:41.54 | tolan | abrotman yes and it gave the dev/console error... |
| 14:42.09 | tolan | abrotman and after that formated the hole thing and fresh installed a new system |
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| 14:42.20 | xingu | ifup can't work if var/run/networking doesn't exist, which can happen if var/run is tmpfs mount (legitimate outcome per etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 14:42.42 | tolan | abrotman : old kernel dosen't suport my motherboard.. sata controller... |
| 14:43.14 | zar | hello back I am installing iptables "make KERNEL_DIR=<<where-you-built-your-kernel>>" what it means? |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | tolan: you did a fresh install and it's still diong this ? |
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| 14:43.58 | abrotman | and if you put your sata controller in legacy mode .. i bet it will install :) |
| 14:44.00 | xingu | the_mug: folk I know use tmpfs var/run to reduce wear levels; some apps rewrite or create new pidfiles... aggressively. |
| 14:44.06 | tolan | tolan : yes.. it passed the dev/console error and it gives this one.. at least now i have no more kernel panic |
| 14:44.30 | tolan | abrotman ^ |
| 14:44.42 | tolan | abrotman i don't have legacy mode in bios |
| 14:44.44 | abrotman | tolan: fresh install ? from scratch ? |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | every sata controller i've seen has a legacy mode |
| 14:44.58 | tolan | abrotman : formated the god damn thing |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | tolan: and started with the etch installer ? |
| 14:45.22 | tolan | abrotman : yes |
| 14:45.39 | abrotman | so you did the whole install .. and now you got this ? |
| 14:45.43 | abrotman | did you use a daily or RC1 ? |
| 14:45.47 | tolan | abrotman exactly |
| 14:45.58 | tolan | abrotman : daily |
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| 14:46.48 | cydork | tolan: try chroot and upgrade .. |
| 14:47.00 | tolan | cydork : upgrade to what ?! |
| 14:47.22 | the_mug | xingu: :: rebooting :: |
| 14:47.37 | cydork | tolan: just run apt-get update;apt-get upgrade; |
| 14:47.57 | tolan | cydork it's an network install.. it has the latest pkgs |
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| 14:48.47 | abrotman | tolan: you might want to try an RC1 image .. or ask #debian-boot on OFTC if that was 'expected' behaviour for yesterday's daily |
| 14:48.50 | cydork | tolan: nope the base packages are on the cd. i think if you just need to upgrade udev |
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| 14:49.32 | tolan | cydork : ok i will try that and come back with feedback |
| 14:49.52 | Mooi | Hello, when I press Ctrl+Alt+F1, it brings me to the console which has a few vertical green rectangles. What should I do? |
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| 14:50.28 | abrotman | play asteroids! |
| 14:50.36 | cydork | heh |
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| 14:51.32 | abrotman | too bad i can't remember LOGO :) |
| 14:51.40 | tolan | abrotman: ok i will try ask on oftc |
| 14:52.03 | xingu | Mooi: clean your monitor? |
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| 14:52.22 | Mooi | xingu: don't get lame? |
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| 14:53.19 | Zta | Mooi, don't use framebuffer |
| 14:53.32 | rogier | hello can anyone help me with a problem i have? |
| 14:53.33 | Mooi | Zta: so what shall i modify in the grub config? |
| 14:54.04 | rogier | it's about mail |
| 14:54.08 | rogier | (kmail) |
| 14:54.29 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:54.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:54.36 | Zta | add vga=ask on your boot prompt and find what value suites you best. I prefer the value for 80x25, but I'm into oldschool text mode (before starting X). |
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| 14:55.24 | Mooi | Zta: I had vga=791. After I rebooted, it just came up in these rectangles |
| 14:55.29 | Mooi | and it keeps on repeating:s |
| 14:55.56 | Zta | 791 is some svga mode. choose text. choose life. |
| 14:56.23 | xingu | Zta: can't remember what we were talking about the other day, but politeness suggests I ask how it went. :) |
| 14:56.27 | jelly-home | 791 = 16 bpp 1024x768 |
| 14:57.08 | rogier | I want to use Kmail with my gmail. (via pop/smtp) i get the following pop up "Could not start process pop3s." I use a new (just installed) version of Kmail. Distro = ubuntu edgy |
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| 14:57.32 | Zta | xingu, NFS trouble. I went to bed shortly after. I'm at work right now, and haven't had tiem to look into it anymore yet. |
| 14:57.38 | jelly-home | rogier: you'll want to ask in #ubuntu channel, |
| 14:57.47 | ofer1 | !ubuntu |
| 14:57.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 14:57.57 | ofer1 | rogier, ^ |
| 14:58.19 | rogier | tried but didn't get an anserw |
| 14:58.21 | xingu | Zta: aah, that's the one; well I'm sort-of aroundish... lemme know if anything crazy happens |
| 14:58.29 | rogier | answer |
| 14:58.40 | ofer1 | rogier, so wait until you'll get an answer |
| 14:58.49 | rogier | (not native english sorry if speld wrong) |
| 14:59.09 | Zta | xingu, jup. I have an extra box that runs a third version of everything, so I'll try experimenting with some combinations between the three. |
| 14:59.37 | rogier | oke i thought ubuntu is debian based so i came here |
| 14:59.50 | rogier | does anyone know a dutch irc channel on this? |
| 14:59.51 | ofer1 | rogier, read what dpkg wrote |
| 14:59.53 | Mooi | Zta: eh? So wait, what cam I overall do? |
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| 15:01.02 | capiira | anyone know where i cans et the date for whole system ? |
| 15:01.14 | ofer1 | capiira, yeah, using "date" |
| 15:01.20 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 15:01.23 | capiira | thx |
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| 15:01.34 | capiira | work for hours too ? |
| 15:01.47 | ofer1 | yeap |
| 15:01.52 | capiira | remove am pm stuff etc. |
| 15:01.55 | ofer1 | you can specify seconds if you'd like |
| 15:01.56 | capiira | ahh cool thx |
| 15:02.17 | abrotman | rogier: i'm guessing there's a #ubuntu.nl .. ask #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
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| 15:02.26 | Fahrenheit | Just for information, is there still any wifi chipset who are not working with the current kernel ? |
| 15:02.38 | capiira | im really happy with etch! |
| 15:02.48 | Mooi | etch pwns ;} |
| 15:02.57 | abrotman | Fahrenheit: ask ##kernel or #wireless |
| 15:03.15 | Zta | Mooi, 1) reboot and add "vga=ask" to the boot prompt before booting your favourite kernel. 2) press space when prompted, and choose 80x25, 3) if it works nicely, add vga=n (where n is the number for 80x25) into your grub config somwher.e |
| 15:03.16 | capiira | i changed my source.list to testing and hope someday i end on lenny |
| 15:03.17 | Mooi | to somehow obfuscate your xorg, go to the new login screen, and then edit the gdm options with root |
| 15:03.28 | Mooi | ah, ok Zta |
| 15:03.37 | Mooi | so using the 791 is bad ?:/ |
| 15:03.42 | Mooi | it works perfectly on this pc |
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| 15:03.58 | rogier | thanks byebye |
| 15:04.01 | Mooi | thx |
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| 15:04.07 | jelly-home | Zta: hm, would removing the vga= argument completely also work? |
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| 15:04.20 | Zta | Mooi, that's how I'd do it anway. I like text-mode in the console. Well, if it works perfectly, then don't change it. I just thougt you were talking about green garbage. |
| 15:04.47 | Zta | jelly-home, perhaps. It think it depends on the kernels default value. |
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| 15:05.40 | capiira | hmmm would a mbr format destroy cryptsetup-luks? |
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| 15:07.39 | Mooi | Zta: hm. vga=791 works on this PC. on the other pc, i get green rectangles ;] |
| 15:07.43 | Mooi | anyway, i'll try |
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| 15:09.47 | capiira | hmmmm |
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| 15:10.12 | capiira | look like debians or gnomes timezone settings is not ok |
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| 15:11.02 | capiira | when i select germany/berlin the clock is 1h advanced |
| 15:11.13 | capiira | compared to bios clock |
| 15:11.39 | capiira | and its not set to utc |
| 15:13.05 | blondie | set the bios to utc |
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| 15:13.05 | capiira | not possible |
| 15:13.05 | capiira | and i would prefer local |
| 15:13.19 | abrotman | set the bios to local .. and use local time ? |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | hwclock |
| 15:14.06 | capiira | thats what im doing but the bios time divers from debian |
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| 15:14.35 | capiira | and both are on local time |
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| 15:15.34 | altekiet | hwclock --utc |
| 15:15.57 | capiira | nah i dont want utc |
| 15:16.11 | chrismortimore | how do i blacklist modules now that hotplug is no more? |
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| 15:17.44 | cydork | chrismortimore: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 15:18.50 | capiira | btw is there a version of the installer that comes with the dvd to modify the system later? |
| 15:19.27 | cydork | capiira: modify? |
| 15:19.38 | capiira | customize |
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| 15:19.47 | Thms | how to delete what I have added with "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" ? |
| 15:19.55 | chrismortimore | cydork: cheers. i added the line "blacklist pcspkr" to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it still loads. any thoughts? |
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| 15:20.07 | cydork | Thms: man route |
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| 15:20.25 | capiira | install languages, configure keyboard , etc. |
| 15:20.49 | Althaser | how do I know what motherboard I have ? please |
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| 15:21.48 | Thms | !paste |
| 15:21.48 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:22.09 | blondie | Althaser: look inside your PC |
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| 15:22.41 | tolan | abrotman : /j #freenode-announce |
| 15:22.53 | tolan | abrotman damn... sorry |
| 15:23.04 | tolan | #freenode-announce |
| 15:23.08 | blondie | what? |
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| 15:27.43 | snowbird | so whats up |
| 15:27.51 | dnanar_ | nothing ! |
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| 15:28.08 | snowbird | i see me waiting for dvd burner here and ram |
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| 15:29.21 | cydork | chrismortimore: some other module must be loading it. if you want to stoping that beeping noice /msg dpkg bell |
| 15:29.45 | chrismortimore | cydork: cheers, i'll give it a go |
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| 15:30.07 | chrismortimore | normally, i'd just have "modprobe -r pcspkr" in /etc/rc.local, but some of the daemons beep on startup, hence why i was wanting to blacklist it |
| 15:30.29 | snowbird | if beeps on startup pc errors |
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| 15:32.01 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
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| 15:35.05 | Althaser | blondie I just can see the chips but not the motherboard mark :( |
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| 15:36.01 | czr | altekiet, dmidecode |
| 15:36.06 | czr | sorry, althaser |
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| 15:36.24 | czr | unless you have a cheap OEM cloned board, in that case they don't setup the DMI info properly. |
| 15:36.54 | czr | stuff like "FILL THIS IN" or "OEM BRAND HERE" is pretty common with those. makes one cry. |
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| 15:37.29 | snowbird | one thing in symantic checked to show that |
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| 15:39.17 | Althaser | czr mm ok thanks |
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| 15:41.39 | ofer1 | !pebkac |
| 15:41.39 | dpkg | pebkac is, like, Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 15:42.04 | sussudio | !pebcam |
| 15:42.05 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico.. See pebmac |
| 15:42.33 | chrismortimore | !picnic |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, picnic is Problem In Chair Not In Computer |
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| 15:42.50 | chrismortimore | !pebrhal |
| 15:42.50 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Right Hand And Left |
| 15:42.59 | chrismortimore | heh.. |
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| 15:48.12 | fireba11 | 80% of all computer problems are located 80cm in front of the screen |
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| 15:48.32 | chrismortimore | huzzah, solved my problem. made /etc/rcS.d/99local, and put a list of "modprobe -r" commands there. |
| 15:50.07 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 15:50.07 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:50.37 | Dewi | heh |
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| 15:50.46 | chrismortimore | lazy hacks are fun :) |
| 15:51.02 | snowbird | how do i turn on 3d? |
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| 15:51.19 | chrismortimore | it has two benefits: 1. I get a working system quickly. 2. It gives me something to do better if I ever get bored ;) |
| 15:51.53 | ragnul | snowbird: talk dirty to it |
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| 15:52.24 | Dewi | aah. back in debian at last. |
| 15:52.26 | rahul | snowbird: depends on your video chipset |
| 15:52.41 | snowbird | its nvida 5500 |
| 15:52.50 | kyncani | !nvidia |
| 15:52.50 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 15:54.47 | xhost | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.47 | xhost | when debian etch is coming |
| 15:59.49 | xhost | ?? |
| 15:59.58 | chrismortimore | xhost: when it's ready |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | xhost: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 16:02.13 | marc\cba | http://www.plankdoo.com/pics/why-doesnt-this-work.jpg |
| 16:02.15 | xhost | chrismortimore, i thought that is my question, when it will be ready, i am blank there is nothing i can see except the last release time of 4th dec. |
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| 16:03.21 | fireba11 | marc\cba: now i hope that this is a fake :-D |
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| 16:03.42 | chrismortimore | xhost: you asked when it's coming. "when it's ready" is a perfectly legitimate response |
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| 16:04.32 | fireba11 | xhost: though you could at the release-critical bug stat graphs to get a good estimate :-) |
| 16:04.40 | Diamond | Hi |
| 16:04.59 | Diamond | hmm why does apt-get does not see php5 when i search for it |
| 16:05.01 | Diamond | ;/ |
| 16:05.13 | Diamond | apt-get install php5 did not find anything |
| 16:05.38 | chrismortimore | Diamond: php5 is only in testing and unstable just now |
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| 16:07.02 | pablo_ | hi, i am having trouble with the x, gdm doesnt starts |
| 16:07.52 | lindenle|afk | Why does sendmail not start at reboot without me having to issue sendmailconfig? |
| 16:08.31 | xhost | well, i want to know how can i start console mouse services on debian |
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| 16:09.49 | chrismortimore | xhost: as in gpm? |
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| 16:10.07 | xhost | yes chrismortimore |
| 16:10.25 | chrismortimore | xhost: and "/etc/init.d/gpm start" doesn't do it? |
| 16:10.39 | xhost | there isn't any thing like this |
| 16:10.46 | xhost | in the init.d dir |
| 16:11.00 | chrismortimore | do you have gpm installed? |
| 16:11.06 | cubiq | How do I make gdb dump the backtrace to a file?? |
| 16:11.30 | xhost | chrismortimore, well i think i never found the package itself |
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| 16:11.57 | xhost | it means you are saying only the installtion of gpm packages will solve my oproblems. |
| 16:12.07 | xhost | can you give me some other solutions |
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| 16:12.38 | chrismortimore | xhost: you want to use gpm without installing gpm...? |
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| 16:14.30 | undesktop | are there Debian packets which contain readily compiled recent Linux kernels with suspend2 patch applied? |
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| 16:14.55 | chrismortimore | undesktop: none i've ever found |
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| 16:15.34 | undesktop | I used some packages for Ubuntu, but they got too old for me (2.6.15) |
| 16:15.49 | undesktop | damn, why don't they just build suspend2 into the official kernel? |
| 16:16.07 | samuel_ | what package has svn? |
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| 16:18.51 | ofer1 | samiam, subversion ? |
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| 16:19.02 | ofer1 | samuel, ^ |
| 16:19.08 | ofer1 | !svn |
| 16:19.09 | dpkg | i guess subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 16:19.35 | samuel | ofer1: thx |
| 16:22.19 | Thms | how to blacklist my soundcard ? |
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| 16:22.28 | ofer1 | !blacklist |
| 16:22.28 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:22.48 | Thms | ofer1: yes but how to know what is my soundcard ? my soundcard is not foo :> |
| 16:23.00 | ofer1 | lsmod | grep snd |
| 16:23.58 | Thms | ofer1: for sarge I just add to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or I add to /etc/discover.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 16:24.29 | ofer1 | Thms, you don't have to blacklist it, just reomve the module from /etc/modules |
| 16:24.31 | ofer1 | remove* |
| 16:24.36 | ofer1 | if it's not there, tell me |
| 16:24.57 | Thms | snd_hda_intel |
| 16:24.58 | Thms | ups |
| 16:25.01 | Thms | ofer1: it is not therez |
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| 16:25.26 | ofer1 | grep snd_hda_intel /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 16:25.30 | ofer1 | !paste |
| 16:25.30 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:25.44 | Thms | ofer1: return nothing |
| 16:26.01 | lindenle | So it looks to me like something is deleting the .cf file for sendmail over a reboot and that is why it wants me to run sendmailconfig, anyone have any idea what might be doing this? |
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| 16:27.27 | Thms | ofer1: what I do so ? |
| 16:27.37 | ofer1 | Thms, don't know.. |
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| 16:31.15 | Snderfox | rogier: is t al gelukt met je kmail en je gmail ? |
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| 16:32.21 | mhiku | how to have domainkey? |
| 16:32.35 | Ronin | mhiku: /topic |
| 16:32.55 | Thms | how to burn my iso of debian with debian ? |
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| 16:33.18 | ofer1 | Thms, you can do it using gnomebaker, k3b, etc... |
| 16:33.29 | ofer1 | for CLI: cdrecord, cdrdao, etc... |
| 16:33.31 | cahoot | wodim y.iso |
| 16:35.14 | peppe123 | Is anybody using photoblog/photodiary software on debian/apache? |
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| 16:35.16 | cahoot | peppe123: can have a look at gallery2 |
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| 16:35.40 | Thms | how to verify if my CD is corectly burned ? |
| 16:35.50 | Thms | is there a way with md5sum or.. |
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| 16:35.56 | czr | abrotman, just so suprising how many people misunderstand what zerotools does (which problem it tries to solve). makes me sad :-) |
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| 16:36.21 | peppe123 | cahoot: ok, Ill check it out |
| 16:36.44 | gerben | I've got a sarge box with grub installed, but grub is completely ignoring the "timeout 10" value, and sits at the selection prompt indefinately for every reboot |
| 16:36.50 | Thms | is there a way with md5sum or.. |
| 16:37.15 | gerben | i was running with 0.95 in sarge, and have tried to upgrade to grub from backports.org (0.97) but the problem remains. |
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| 16:37.39 | gerben | i've manually rewritten the menu.lst but still, at every reboot, grub will just sit there until I select a kernel for booting |
| 16:38.00 | duckx | Hy I am trying to find out a way to get the missing depedencies of a source debian packages to get them install |
| 16:38.04 | gerben | anyone ever seen something silly like this before? |
| 16:38.15 | gerben | duckx: use apt-get build-dep [package] |
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| 16:38.27 | snowbird | my gui crashed cant restart it |
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| 16:38.39 | duckx | gerben: what if the package is not yet in a repo ... |
| 16:38.48 | snowbird | any ideas? |
| 16:38.58 | duckx | I build package for my own repo |
| 16:39.10 | duckx | For packages that don't exist on the debian yet |
| 16:39.12 | gerben | duckx: then I don't know |
| 16:39.20 | snowbird | help |
| 16:39.31 | lepton | gerben: is timeout set (in menu.lst)? |
| 16:39.34 | Ronin | snowbird: patience |
| 16:39.43 | Ronin | snowbird: what happens when you try to restart x? |
| 16:39.44 | duckx | Well I would like something like dpkg-buildpackage that just gives me the missing packages ... |
| 16:39.51 | Ronin | i mean errors? messages? |
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| 16:39.59 | duckx | sorry like dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 16:40.15 | gerben | duckx: dpkg-buildpackage will give you the list actually |
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| 16:40.23 | snowbird | fatal error 10 |
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| 16:40.28 | gerben | duckx: it just wont install them for you. |
| 16:40.34 | duckx | ok |
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| 16:40.37 | duckx | Let me check |
| 16:40.51 | penguin | The printer insists that it is paused. |
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| 16:41.02 | penguin | network windows printer |
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| 16:41.22 | snowbird | ronin error 10 cant config |
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| 16:42.51 | snowbird | <pulling hair out |
| 16:43.02 | karioco | boa tarde |
| 16:44.07 | duckx | gerben: dpkg-checkbuilddeps 2>&1 | cut -f 3 -d ":" does the job finally |
| 16:44.11 | duckx | Thx for your help |
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| 16:45.49 | snowbird | abortman |
| 16:45.51 | samuel | can i see the config for debian kernels without downloading the entire kernel? |
| 16:45.52 | khaleel5000 | Hi everyone , I am a n00b with debain etch , my graphic card is Nvidia fx5600 chip based (msi fx5600 VTDR) , I uname -a shows my kernel in use is 2.6.17-2-686 , Wen I try to install Nvidia drivers , I get this error : http://rafb.net/p/qJLoxD99.html |
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| 16:46.12 | khaleel5000 | I need help , i have ben seraching for (googlin ) for its answer but didnot find any one |
| 16:46.25 | samuel | can i see the config for debian kernels without downloading the entire kernel? -- the entire kernel source? |
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| 16:46.27 | snowbird | mine krashed |
| 16:46.31 | snowbird | no gui |
| 16:46.38 | worstenboy | hi, i wanted to search trough some logfiles so i copied them to a temp dir, but instead of cp i did mv per accident, i moved them back asap, but now it seems like syslog isn't filling those files anymore, how can i solve this? |
| 16:46.46 | duckx | khaleel5000: what don't u use the debian source for nvidia package ? |
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| 16:46.57 | Elive_user | Is there a testing channel? |
| 16:46.58 | khaleel5000 | duckx: sure what would be its name ? |
| 16:47.08 | duckx | khaleel5000: let me check |
| 16:47.13 | blondie | Elive_user: make one |
| 16:47.19 | Jimmymaniac | Quick question: i seem to have some trouble with the console fonts on etch. Installed welcome2l and it soesn't even show the penguin, looks incomplete |
| 16:47.20 | blondie | Elive_user: or do you mean Testing? |
| 16:47.27 | duckx | khaleel5000: nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 16:47.38 | khaleel5000 | Elive_user: i cant say but there is an ENLIGHTENMENT help channel named #e here |
| 16:47.41 | khaleel5000 | duckx: thanks |
| 16:47.53 | khaleel5000 | duckx: then just download it , install nvidia drivers !?? |
| 16:48.11 | duckx | khaleel5000: you may need to add non-free in your /etc/apt/source.lst file |
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| 16:48.34 | Elive_user | I mean Debian Testing, my problem isn't with E |
| 16:48.37 | khaleel5000 | duckx: yeah i guess so , coz i dont think i have it in my repos , what repo i should add |
| 16:48.41 | duckx | khaleel5000: follow the README.Debian in the /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel* |
| 16:48.55 | duckx | khaleel5000: let me check .. |
| 16:48.57 | Elive_user | blondie, I did a dist-upgrade and now lost my 3d acceleration. |
| 16:49.07 | snowbird | duckx how i get my gui back? |
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| 16:49.37 | duckx | lol, :) |
| 16:49.50 | duckx | snowbird: I did not get your issue .. |
| 16:49.55 | marinosi | hello..how can i see where debian installs my packages when i apt-get install something? |
| 16:50.04 | snowbird | error 10 |
| 16:50.08 | duckx | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:50.08 | duckx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.11 | snowbird | went to add 3d |
| 16:50.13 | duckx | for khaleel5000 |
| 16:50.16 | Jimmymaniac | marinosi: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:50.20 | snowbird | rebboot that eror no gui |
| 16:50.20 | mentor | marinosi: the .deb or the files? |
| 16:50.21 | penguin | printer HP2420 disabled since Tue 02 Jan 2007 05:35:31 PM CST - |
| 16:50.21 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.21 | moshii | marinosi: dpkg -l package name |
| 16:50.25 | duckx | Just replace sid by etch |
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| 16:50.56 | duckx | khaleel5000: you should have this in the /etc/apt/source.lst deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:50.59 | khaleel5000 | duckx: so the repo would be deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:51.02 | snowbird | duckx odd |
| 16:51.02 | marinosi | i want to install a package for latex, which does not exist at the 'portage' and i don't know where to uncompress it |
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| 16:51.28 | yang | I wonder is the uptime client "yasuc" available somewhere for debian? |
| 16:51.32 | duckx | snowbird: hello snowbird :) |
| 16:51.33 | rahul | marinosi: um, so go to the channel for your distro |
| 16:51.45 | rahul | marinosi: _I_ have latex packages from _my_ distro. |
| 16:51.45 | duckx | So what is the issue you have |
| 16:52.10 | moshii | yang: apt-cache yasuc or google it |
| 16:52.10 | snowbird | kk hello duckx |
| 16:52.10 | moshii | yang: apt-cache search yasuc |
| 16:52.10 | marinosi | rahul, i use debian etch and i want to add auto-greek package.i have it |
| 16:52.10 | Jimmymaniac | the curious thing is that the debconf dialogboxes work perfectly, but welcome2l doesn't work well |
| 16:52.19 | marinosi | how can i do it? |
| 16:52.34 | rahul | marinosi: look at how other latex add-ons are packaged |
| 16:52.53 | dondelelcaro | or just chuck it into your texmf folders |
| 16:52.53 | duckx | snowbird: so you have a boot error |
| 16:53.01 | snowbird | dam |
| 16:53.09 | snowbird | so what can i doo? |
| 16:53.11 | duckx | snowbird: and you stay stuck with your entre in the boot time |
| 16:53.16 | rahul | apt-get source ethiop maybe |
| 16:53.23 | duckx | snowbird: let me check .. |
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| 16:53.27 | snowbird | thx |
| 16:53.31 | khaleel5000 | thankyou fellas |
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| 16:53.37 | rahul | marinosi: hmm, I guess installing new fonts is not an issue for this... is it? |
| 16:54.04 | duckx | snowbird: could you paste your menu.lst to pastey.net ? |
| 16:54.36 | snowbird | no |
| 16:54.50 | duckx | snowbird: why ? |
| 16:54.56 | snowbird | cant get it to to that cause no gui |
| 16:55.03 | snowbird | its stuck |
| 16:55.08 | snowbird | on another pc |
| 16:55.36 | duckx | snowbird: well, I need to get one thing ... |
| 16:55.48 | snowbird | wont start x chat |
| 16:55.50 | duckx | Your debian box boots or not ? |
| 16:55.51 | snowbird | tried |
| 16:55.59 | snowbird | did |
| 16:56.10 | snowbird | till gui went poof |
| 16:56.22 | snowbird | if we get gui itll boot |
| 16:56.49 | moshii | snowbird: you mean x doesn't work? |
| 16:57.01 | snowbird | right |
| 16:57.24 | Ronin | so it boots fine just no x? |
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| 16:57.31 | moshii | snowbird: don't say gui then, check your x log, hint /var/log |
| 16:57.33 | r4663r | hello |
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| 16:57.44 | r4663r | does anybody know howto get lftp support tls/ssl?? |
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| 16:58.33 | moshii | r4663r: I couldn't find a client in debian that has tls/ssl in it's build, i think theres a reason for it |
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| 16:59.15 | r4663r | yes but there there must be a possiblity to get ssl support in lftp? |
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| 17:00.18 | moshii | r4663r: if lftp has ssl support in the source you could apt-get source it and build a package with it enabled |
| 17:01.04 | r4663r | im trying to download it from the homepage and compile it, i hope it will have ssl support *g* |
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| 17:02.31 | Trewas | r4663r: looking at its info, it already depends on libgnutls and claims to support ftps in the description, I have no ftps sites to test it with... which might be why ftps is generally quite badly supported |
| 17:03.08 | r4663r | Trewas when i try to cativeate ssl in /etc/lftp it doesnt work.. |
| 17:03.40 | r4663r | ftp:ssl-allow: no such variable. Use `set -a' to look at all variables. |
| 17:03.40 | r4663r | ftp:ssl-force: no such variable. Use `set -a' to look at all variables. |
| 17:03.40 | r4663r | ftp:ssl-protect-data: no such variable. Use `set -a' to look at all variables. |
| 17:03.43 | r4663r | thats the error |
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| 17:03.50 | czr | no more error |
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| 17:03.54 | r4663r | sorry |
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| 17:04.08 | earthian | hello |
| 17:04.21 | earthian | how do i burn a bin/cue cd image? |
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| 17:05.06 | moshii | earthian: k3b can do it, other than that you can use binchunk to convert it to an iso |
| 17:05.06 | schme | earthian: bchunk |
| 17:05.53 | Trewas | r4663r: "set -a|grep ssl" in lftp shows those settings (lftp 3.5.6-1 from testing) |
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| 17:07.17 | r4663r | Trewas theres nothing |
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| 17:07.27 | r4663r | so i think theres no ssl support installed |
| 17:07.42 | Trewas | r4663r: which version of lftp, or is it stable debian? |
| 17:08.11 | r4663r | version 3.1.3 |
| 17:08.19 | r4663r | yes its sarge3.1 |
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| 17:08.36 | r4663r | i also tried to install it from the backports, but there are a lot of problems with the dependencies |
| 17:08.55 | Trewas | that might explain it... |
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| 17:09.09 | J007hjhjh | ÊÇÑÊ´Õ¤ÑúàÃÒਹФÑú |
| 17:09.35 | rahul | wtf |
| 17:09.43 | rahul | !penixstrike J007hjhjh |
| 17:09.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking J007hjhjh to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:09.47 | J007hjhjh | ª×èÍääÑú |
| 17:09.56 | Ronin | J007hjhjh: dont suppose you understand english? |
| 17:10.07 | rahul | !th |
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| 17:11.16 | earthian | moshii, schme : Example: bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo, is that last foo my /dev/hdd/ which is my cdrw device? |
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| 17:11.41 | earthian | /dev/hdd without the last / to be more precize.. |
| 17:11.45 | earthian | :) |
| 17:11.46 | moshii | earthian: no, the last foo is a file, you convert to an iso and use something like cdrecord to burn it |
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| 17:12.19 | Trewas | earthian: you don't want to use bchunk, burn it directly with cdrdao, and wodim should also support bin/cue images nowadays (option cuefile=something) |
| 17:12.57 | moshii | earthian: k3b also supports direct burning bin/cue and has a nice interface |
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| 17:13.55 | earthian | moshii, does k3b work on gnome? i dont have kde |
| 17:14.11 | r4663r | yes it works also with gnome |
| 17:14.11 | moshii | earthian: yes |
| 17:14.14 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 17:14.30 | r4663r | but i have some problems with k3b |
| 17:14.44 | r4663r | there are a lot of errors, but when i take gnome-baker there isnt any error |
| 17:14.44 | moshii | it just won't look like a gnome application unless gnome has a qt theme now.. |
| 17:15.11 | moshii | r4663r: errors in the burnt disc? |
| 17:15.15 | r4663r | yes |
| 17:15.21 | r4663r | sometimes its unreadable |
| 17:15.37 | r4663r | i only tried it with audiocds.. |
| 17:15.49 | moshii | r4663r: that isn't k3b then, as k3b sits on top of the standard utils |
| 17:16.00 | r4663r | but with gnomebaker it works |
| 17:16.05 | r4663r | it sounds crazy |
| 17:16.06 | r4663r | ^^ |
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| 17:16.28 | moshii | r4663r: maybe k3b is passing something bad to the recording apps.. mightb e worht reporting |
| 17:16.49 | r4663r | since i noticed it om not uisng k3b yet |
| 17:17.14 | r4663r | im also pleased with gnomebaker.. |
| 17:17.51 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 17:17.55 | moshii | r4663r: worht reporting for the benefit of others though |
| 17:18.04 | moshii | r4663r: *worth |
| 17:18.11 | bbelt16ag | is there a simple way of gettin a sourcles list? |
| 17:18.13 | bbelt16ag | sources |
| 17:18.30 | r4663r | moshii i dont exactly know what u mean.. |
| 17:18.40 | capiira | hmmm i installed opera and now opera is browser #1 even after setting preferred browser in gnomes utility. Any one have an idea why? |
| 17:19.05 | bbelt16ag | can somebody send me one? |
| 17:19.05 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: which release of debian? |
| 17:19.15 | bbelt16ag | 2.6 etch |
| 17:19.16 | moshii | r4663r: use the bug report tool and submit a bug against k3b saying that it's making coasters on your box ;) |
| 17:19.59 | r4663r | well okay |
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| 17:21.57 | bbelt16ag | whats the url to the list of repos? |
| 17:22.01 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: deb ftp://ftp.country of your choice.debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 17:22.09 | duckx | Anyone interrested ? |
| 17:22.11 | Ronin | and deb-src as well |
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| 17:22.12 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 17:23.47 | Ronin | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 17:23.48 | hark | capiira: you don't want opera as default in Gnome? |
| 17:24.20 | capiira | nope |
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| 17:24.28 | capiira | just as browser to test stuff |
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| 17:25.29 | hark | capiira: hmm, what does update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser say? |
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| 17:26.40 | capiira | nothing it displays me a list how to use it right |
| 17:26.49 | capiira | like when you type something wrong |
| 17:26.56 | OllieD | fun |
| 17:27.16 | hark | capiira: try setting the default browser there. |
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| 17:27.36 | capiira | ok will try |
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| 17:28.25 | hark | capiira: or x-www-browser instead, i think. |
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| 17:28.34 | Yosef | Hi |
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| 17:29.26 | bbelt16ag | ok its not quite right |
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| 17:29.35 | bbelt16ag | what directory is it in |
| 17:29.53 | bbelt16ag | is it debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 17:29.54 | Yosef | I'm trying to access my pc at home through puTTy, it giving error connection timed out, and I'm sure about the IP ? |
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| 17:30.07 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: country of your choice should be .ca, .us, .fr style |
| 17:30.10 | Ronin | my bad |
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| 17:35.52 | tolecnal | argh! this is really starting to piss me off. why the hell won't alt-gr workin xfce? xfce4.4rc2, xorg.conf set to use the no-layout, pc105. should, by my assumptions at least work like a charm. any pointers? |
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| 17:36.33 | undesktop | maybe the window manager uses it.... |
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| 17:37.20 | cahoot | tolecnal: and XkbRules ? |
| 17:37.21 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 17:37.34 | bbelt16ag | whats the package i need to install to get a base sysem? |
| 17:37.50 | tolecnal | cahoot: xorg |
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| 17:39.46 | Azar | bbelt16ag: what do you want to install? |
| 17:40.04 | bbelt16ag | just a base system like less some tools for cli no gui |
| 17:40.23 | Azar | bbelt16ag: Debian? |
| 17:40.26 | bbelt16ag | i could never get packages to install from the netinstall cd |
| 17:40.26 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 17:40.29 | bbelt16ag | etch |
| 17:41.06 | Azar | bbelt16ag: I am not sure what etch installs, start with Sarge, then you can upgrade to Etch |
| 17:41.07 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: why not? what happens when you try the netinstall cd? |
| 17:41.35 | bbelt16ag | i had abard niccard, |
| 17:41.39 | bbelt16ag | bad |
| 17:41.41 | bbelt16ag | nic |
| 17:41.50 | bbelt16ag | i got apt-get updating now |
| 17:42.02 | bbelt16ag | want to get some nfs tool and samba started |
| 17:42.15 | bbelt16ag | making a file server finally got my sata drives working properly |
| 17:42.31 | Azar | ahhhh sata |
| 17:43.04 | Azar | I do not know if etch gives you naked base install only.... |
| 17:43.12 | tolecnal | cahoot: should be correct aye? |
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| 17:43.36 | cahoot | tolecnal: yes - works here for se |
| 17:43.38 | r4663r | compiling lftp doesnt work, anybody an idea howto get ssl support in sarge with lftp? |
| 17:43.39 | Azar | heard that etch has a gui installer |
| 17:43.45 | Ronin | Azar: apparently so |
| 17:44.11 | Azar | Ronin and he can't install sarge because there is no sata support on kernel 2.6.8 |
| 17:44.13 | tolecnal | cahoot: odd, very odd. |
| 17:44.17 | earthian | hey, r4663r what does that mean "BurnFree" in the gnome-baker's burn cd image dialog? |
| 17:44.30 | r4663r | i dont know *g* |
| 17:44.37 | earthian | k |
| 17:44.37 | earthian | :/ |
| 17:45.07 | Azar | bbelt16ag: you tried installing etch from netinstall and it does not get to you because of your nic? |
| 17:45.22 | bbelt16ag | i have a limited install i think.. |
| 17:45.32 | bbelt16ag | i could not get the rest of the packages from the net.. |
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| 17:45.38 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 17:45.49 | bbelt16ag | .../msg dpkg no public key is not working GRRRR |
| 17:45.53 | bbelt16ag | what is the command? |
| 17:45.55 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: /topic |
| 17:46.00 | Azar | well if you got a limited install you can start adding up with "aptitude install <package1> <package2>... |
| 17:46.12 | bbelt16ag | right |
| 17:46.30 | earthian | Select the Burn Free option turn on the BurnFree protection. <--- what is this? |
| 17:46.32 | bbelt16ag | not working |
| 17:46.47 | Azar | bbelt16ag: like Ronin said: look on /topic |
| 17:46.55 | Ronin | msging the bot works fine as well |
| 17:47.36 | Ronin | ack, shootout in the hockey game, im too old for this tension |
| 17:47.39 | aidehua | I use "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" then walk through a GUI to tell a console to use British keyboard. Can I do this configuration from the command line? |
| 17:48.33 | rahul | which hockey game? |
| 17:48.57 | Ronin | rahul: watching the world juniors game between canada and the u.s |
| 17:49.02 | rahul | ah |
| 17:49.20 | Azar | ay canaidiens, are they booing usa again? |
| 17:49.21 | rahul | sounds like something I wouldn't get |
| 17:49.48 | bbelt16ag | i got it working |
| 17:49.55 | Ronin | Azar: cant tell i have sound off so i dont get caught :) |
| 17:50.00 | Azar | haha |
| 17:51.17 | deadcat_ | are you guys having trouble starting a second X session from console? i am getting FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing |
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| 17:52.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: fedora dead? |
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| 17:52.31 | Azar | tarzeau: yes it was in the news |
| 17:52.49 | Azar | awwwww the bug count went up by 1 |
| 17:52.58 | Azar | last night was 99 now is 100 |
| 17:52.59 | tarzeau | Azar: who cares, dpkg does lzma now |
| 17:53.11 | Azar | :) |
| 17:53.20 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? link? |
| 17:53.24 | Azar | ok what is lzma |
| 17:53.29 | tarzeau | cydork: packages.debian.org/dpkg |
| 17:53.41 | tarzeau | Azar: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ see 7zip |
| 17:53.47 | cydork | tarzeau: about fedora :) |
| 17:53.47 | tarzeau | Azar: or packages.debian.org/lzma |
| 17:54.13 | tarzeau | cydork: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ and http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/10674.html |
| 17:54.48 | Azar | ah I used to use 7-zip |
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| 17:57.03 | Azar | ya tarzeau, you do speak german |
| 17:57.17 | tarzeau | Azar: yes i can |
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| 17:58.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh? |
| 17:58.26 | abrotman | czr: why do you say that ? |
| 17:58.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's only fedoralegay.org which died |
| 17:58.35 | toad_ | lirc question: i have a config, http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/terratec/Cinergy_1400-T - do i put that in lircd.conf or lircmd.conf ? |
| 17:58.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: not surprising |
| 17:58.39 | tarzeau | add the missing c at the right place |
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| 17:58.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you want support for RH-based stuff .. buy RHEL |
| 17:58.58 | toad_ | 555 |
| 17:59.03 | toad_ | argh |
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| 17:59.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want debian :) i drink ginger lemon tea |
| 17:59.32 | abrotman | good! |
| 17:59.47 | Azar | yep on cnet too: http://news.com.com/Long-term+Fedora+Linux+support+ending/2100-7344_3-6146604.html |
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| 18:00.03 | tarzeau | Azar: they should put a link right to debian with migration plans |
| 18:00.16 | Azar | tarzeau is running sid .. nananaaananan nana naaaa |
| 18:00.18 | Gr1ncheux | brb |
| 18:00.25 | tarzeau | Azar: lol, psssst |
| 18:00.42 | czr | abrotman, based on the emails I get after releasing zerotools :-) |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | czr: to debian-devel or debian-users ? |
| 18:01.23 | czr | err, I sent the mail to both (same mail) |
| 18:01.30 | abrotman | crossposter! |
| 18:01.33 | czr | but some private emails since I also released on fm |
| 18:01.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:01.52 | czr | abrotman, well, none of the emails actually had anything that I wanted feedback on |
| 18:02.14 | czr | but they mostly were related to "why don't you use dd to fill up the disk with zero" or "try libtrash" or "what about foo" and so on |
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| 18:02.30 | tarzeau | Azar: sparc, i386 and a few kfreebsd boxen |
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| 18:02.43 | windowsrefund | hello |
| 18:02.45 | snowbird | duckx, |
| 18:02.46 | czr | although I did get a first real user. one who understood exactly why the tool is useful and uses it |
| 18:02.48 | snowbird | better |
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| 18:03.06 | duckx | hey .. |
| 18:03.15 | snowbird | all fixed |
| 18:03.20 | windowsrefund | It seems that I have no iptables init script in /etc/init.d even though I've installed the iptables package |
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| 18:03.21 | duckx | A cool air frehnings for the north pole |
| 18:03.22 | dn4 | configure: error: you need to have pkgconfig installed ! |
| 18:03.23 | snowbird | humm miricle |
| 18:03.43 | dn4 | apt-cache search pkgconfig <-- gives me libextutils-pkgconfig-perl - simplistic perl interface to pkg-config |
| 18:03.49 | abrotman | czr: the -devel feedback looks okay |
| 18:04.38 | fizbin | dn4: apt-cache search pkg-config |
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| 18:04.47 | Azar | tarzeau I am under the feeling you have tried all linux distros out there |
| 18:04.57 | toad_ | KSRC=/usr/src/linux/$(shell uname -r)/build |
| 18:05.02 | toad_ | what on earth? |
| 18:05.10 | dn4 | fizbin: that is weird how that works |
| 18:05.15 | toad_ | the lirc modules package assumes that this is where the source is |
| 18:05.18 | toad_ | that is crazy |
| 18:05.26 | czr | abrotman, yeah, mostly the messages were priv. |
| 18:05.27 | tarzeau | Azar: pretty much most, at least the important ones (but also very much non-linux operating systems) |
| 18:05.35 | abrotman | czr: ah ok |
| 18:05.43 | fizbin | Why's that so crazy, toad_ ? |
| 18:05.45 | toad_ | KSRC=/lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build |
| 18:05.48 | toad_ | would be better |
| 18:06.02 | toad_ | well on how many systems is the source to linux in /usr/src/linux/$(shell uname -r)/build ? |
| 18:06.08 | Azar | tarzeau: my first attempt was a FreeBSD, alas it did not even install... so I jumped to Debian Woody |
| 18:06.42 | fizbin | Hrm... good point. |
| 18:07.57 | Ronin | ok ill bite Azar, why is that? |
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| 18:08.17 | toad_ | it's still not building any .ko's |
| 18:08.19 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 18:08.32 | toad_ | surely it's supposed to? |
| 18:09.16 | Azar | Ronin: firstly I am used to the non-gui installer, secondly I am afraid I lose the simplicity, lightness of the real base installation, third, I will have to get to know xorg and grub... but I will try my hardest to get acquinted with |
| 18:09.34 | dn4 | gstj2kdec.h:26:21: error: gst/gst.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:09.43 | dn4 | what is this gst |
| 18:09.51 | Azar | it will be like I will install a brand new system... |
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| 18:11.15 | Azar | the gui installer looks to me that it is not so flexible (workarounds, options) like the cli installer could be |
| 18:11.28 | Ronin | Azar: you install that often that you'll even see the new installer? |
| 18:11.45 | toad_ | and it's installing them to /lib/modules/lib/modules/2.6.18-toad/build/ now |
| 18:11.49 | toad_ | that's equally wierd |
| 18:12.08 | Azar | Ronin: I remember I tried Sarge, I bought the CDs and tried... in a final I gave up and installed Woody then upgraded to Sarge... |
| 18:12.09 | toad_ | but they're useless anyway so i don't know what the point is (they haven't been linked to .ko's, they're still .o's) |
| 18:12.41 | Azar | ... then upgraded to Etch on my testing box |
| 18:13.17 | toad_ | hmmm maybe it doesn't need modules... /me finds out ... |
| 18:13.24 | fizbin | Azar: grub is actually pretty nice. It does have the disadvantage that it's slightly harder to manage certain headless configurations than it is with, say, lilo, but overall it's pretty nice. |
| 18:13.59 | Azar | fizbin: I do not have a choice, I will have to study the grub docs and test over and over until I feel in the driver seat |
| 18:14.08 | windowsrefund | I installed the iptables package but have no iptables init script on my system. Is that normal? |
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| 18:14.20 | Azar | if grub is _the_ thing of the future, grub will be |
| 18:14.21 | cydork | windowsrefund: yes |
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| 18:14.42 | windowsrefund | cydork, how does iptables start then? |
| 18:14.55 | cydork | windowsrefund: /msg dpkg iptables |
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| 18:15.02 | windowsrefund | thanks |
| 18:15.34 | Azar | Ronin: :) I like to use things that work and I can manage ... |
| 18:15.58 | windowsrefund | cydork: dpkg is teasing me... " or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ..." |
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| 18:16.05 | windowsrefund | heh |
| 18:16.23 | cydork | windowsrefund: and there should be link also |
| 18:16.35 | Azar | This box is up and running from the first day I installed... Feb 15 2005. Woody>Sarge = Warge |
| 18:16.41 | Ronin | yep ocd :) |
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| 18:16.49 | Azar | ok what is ocd? |
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| 18:17.01 | Ronin | obsessive compulsive |
| 18:17.10 | windowsrefund | cydork, I found something debian-specific on howtoforge. That will probably clear up things for me |
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| 18:17.17 | Ronin | now that the hockey game is over im bored, never mind me |
| 18:17.17 | Azar | you know, interesting you might be right |
| 18:17.29 | donnatello | hi everyone :) .We in our GLUG intend to build a custom distribution based on debian ,can anyone point to me some nice HOW-TO`s to build a debian based distro |
| 18:17.33 | Tenkawa | hey any of you use the uclibc compile wrapper in debian? |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | windowsrefund: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 18:17.43 | abrotman | !dfs |
| 18:17.43 | dpkg | methinks dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
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| 18:18.17 | windowsrefund | abrotman, I'm more interested in the debian specific info rather than simple iptables knowledge |
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| 18:18.35 | abrotman | that is debian specific in that dir .. some of it anyways |
| 18:18.40 | abrotman | try actually reading them |
| 18:18.55 | rahul | the kernel isn't debian-specific... |
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| 18:19.01 | rahul | but there is the ipmasq package |
| 18:19.24 | windowsrefund | rahul, yes but there is certainly a debian-specific approach that can be used to compile a kernel |
| 18:19.36 | maxo | I'm thinking of installing debian, but was wondering whether it was worth downloading both dvd iso images, or whether I should just get the first dvd iso image, and then install what I need using apt-get? or are both dvd iso images needed for installing? |
| 18:19.43 | rahul | windowsrefund: but that isn't iptables-specific :) |
| 18:19.56 | rahul | maxo: uh, you can use nothing if you like |
| 18:20.10 | abrotman | !d-i Mazingaro |
| 18:20.10 | dpkg | Mazingaro, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:20.11 | rahul | maxo: read the install doc. there are many ways to boot and many ways to access packages. |
| 18:20.12 | cydork | maxo: just get the netinstall .. :) |
| 18:20.12 | Azar | abrotman was missed last night: eidan came and had tons of questions |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | !d-i maxo |
| 18:20.14 | dpkg | maxo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | Azar: i was sleeping! |
| 18:20.24 | windowsrefund | rahul, do you even realize how off topic your remarks tend to be? |
| 18:20.36 | Azar | :) abrotman not to worry rahul took care of eidan |
| 18:20.45 | rahul | Azar: I did? |
| 18:21.12 | Azar | rahul you don't remember it? well you were drunk maybe |
| 18:21.18 | rahul | windowsrefund: erm... you're asking for a debian-specific iptables howto. ipmasq is the only thing iptables-related that's debian-specific |
| 18:21.26 | rahul | Azar: no, that would have been 4 AM |
| 18:21.26 | khaleel5000 | Hi , it might seem careless but I came here sometime ago , I couldnot install nvidia drivers (for my Nvidia fx5600 based card on Debian etch ) because of this error http://rafb.net/p/qJLoxD99.html |
| 18:21.45 | rahul | Azar: don't think I was looking at IRC at that time |
| 18:21.51 | khaleel5000 | I was recommended to install some nvidia kernel related thing deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:22.06 | windowsrefund | rahul, that's not true at all. The very fact that there's no init script is debian-specific enough to warrant the question I posed |
| 18:22.13 | maxo | rahul: I have a wireless card though, I assume that would cause problems with netinstall? |
| 18:22.14 | Azar | hmm did we got a nvidia one-liner for etch? or not yet? |
| 18:22.27 | cydork | Azar: /msg dpkg etch nvidia |
| 18:22.33 | khaleel5000 | from there , but I lost the name of the file (lost power) I wanted to confirm if its that same thing Nvidia Kernel Source |
| 18:23.00 | rahul | maxo: why don't you read the install doc and see what it supports? |
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| 18:23.41 | Azar | sigh, yep a brand new operating system Etch... nvidia is a proprietary driver, then xorg kicks in too... totally new stuff |
| 18:23.44 | rahul | windowsrefund: that's why I mentioned ipmasq if you want a debian-specific script |
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| 18:24.05 | r4663r | the errors while compliing lftp http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/6420/ |
| 18:24.44 | windowsrefund | rahul, never mind. I just don't know why you're overcomplicating your response to such a simple issue/question |
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| 18:25.25 | khaleel5000 | Hi , it might seem careless but I came here sometime ago , I couldnot install nvidia drivers (for my Nvidia fx5600 based card on Debian etch ) because of this error http://rafb.net/p/qJLoxD99.html |
| 18:25.26 | rahul | r4663r: apt-get -b source lftp |
| 18:25.29 | khaleel5000 | I was recommended to install some nvidia kernel related thing deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 18:25.40 | khaleel5000 | I lost the file name is it NVIDIA kerneel Source? |
| 18:25.50 | rahul | windowsrefund: well, you're asking something specific for something that's not specific to anything |
| 18:25.56 | khaleel5000 | lost filename because of Power outtage |
| 18:26.07 | r4663r | rahul : then i have to compile it? in which folder are the src files? |
| 18:26.27 | rahul | r4663r: that will compile it |
| 18:26.36 | windowsrefund | rahul, enough already. You really have no idea what you're talking about and you're just being annoying at this point |
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| 18:27.03 | rahul | windowsrefund: have you even bothered to look at the ipmasq package or are you going to keep blathering? |
| 18:27.11 | abrotman | windowsrefund: iptables is a kernel option .. the init script is provided as a bonus by distros .. if you'd read the stuff i told you to read .. you'd see that |
| 18:27.30 | windowsrefund | rahul, I didn't ask about ipmasq or foo or bar for that matter. I asked about debian's implementation of iptables |
| 18:27.32 | windowsrefund | that's it |
| 18:27.47 | rahul | debian doesn't implement iptables |
| 18:27.55 | windowsrefund | oh shut up already |
| 18:28.04 | windowsrefund | get off your holy throne |
| 18:28.09 | Ronin | play nice kids, remember the /ignore option |
| 18:28.10 | rahul | !wayttd windowsrefund |
| 18:28.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, windowsrefund? |
| 18:28.17 | windowsrefund | of COURSE debian implements iptables |
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| 18:28.29 | windowsrefund | dpkg, I'm all set |
| 18:28.30 | rahul | windowsrefund: no, it PACKAGES it. |
| 18:28.44 | windowsrefund | rahul, go look up the word 'implement' |
| 18:28.53 | rahul | if you want a script to set up specific rules, ipmasq is that |
| 18:29.01 | rahul | windowsrefund: the implementation of iptables is in the kernel, mostly. |
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| 18:29.44 | windowsrefund | rahul, I'm just need to ignore you because you're obviously one of those people that has a nack for overcomplicating things |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | windowsrefund: no .. it's a kernel option .. |
| 18:30.11 | khaleel5000 | is there any log of the conversations that happpened here in the last 2 hours? |
| 18:30.15 | rahul | windowsrefund: I'm telling you that you MIGHT want the ipmasq package |
| 18:30.18 | abrotman | khaleel5000: not public |
| 18:30.19 | khaleel5000 | i mean dpkg has it or something?/ |
| 18:30.20 | windowsrefund | iptables is bother kernel and user space |
| 18:30.22 | rahul | windowsrefund: that is very UNDERcomplicated |
| 18:30.25 | Azar | ok so I need to understand this clearly: officially Etch will not carrry the nvidia driver modules right? It will have to be installed separately from some other source and compiled? |
| 18:30.30 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: do you have it ? |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | no |
| 18:30.41 | abrotman | well .. yes .. but i'm not pasting two hours of crap in a pastebin |
| 18:30.42 | rahul | windowsrefund: no, the userspace iptables program just tells the kernel what to do |
| 18:30.48 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: i came here , got answer to my solution , lost naem of package to get in a power outtage |
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| 18:31.08 | west_coast | anyone from greece? |
| 18:31.12 | windowsrefund | rahul, what the hell is so hard to understand about my question as to why the iptables package doesn't provide an init script? |
| 18:31.25 | Azar | cydork? |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about etch nvidia |
| 18:31.37 | Ronin | !gr |
| 18:31.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 18:31.40 | abrotman | windowsrefund: GOD DAMN IT .. go read the stuff i told you to |
| 18:31.43 | abrotman | it tells you how to do it |
| 18:31.45 | cydork | Azar: yes ? |
| 18:31.49 | rahul | windowsrefund: because it doesn't NEED to |
| 18:31.55 | rahul | windowsrefund: ipmasq is for people who want that. |
| 18:31.57 | windowsrefund | abrotman, what the )(*_*&)U@ makes you think that I'm NOT reading it?!? |
| 18:31.59 | Azar | cydork: my question above ^^^ |
| 18:32.05 | abrotman | windowsrefund: because oyu're still arguing with rahul about it |
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| 18:32.17 | abrotman | instead of shutting your mouth .. and learning what you have to do |
| 18:32.26 | windowsrefund | abrotman, no, I'm explaining how his approach to my question/issue was off topic |
| 18:32.32 | windowsrefund | and overcomplicated |
| 18:32.39 | abrotman | windowsrefund: no .. it's not .. just stop arguing .. and go do it |
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| 18:32.51 | rahul | windowsrefund: tell me how the ipmasq package does not provide an init script to set up iptables rules |
| 18:32.56 | windowsrefund | abrotman, who the hell do you think you are? drop your attitude already |
| 18:33.01 | rahul | haha |
| 18:33.07 | abrotman | windowsrefund: who the fuck do you think you are? |
| 18:33.20 | Ronin | wow daycare get out early today or something? |
| 18:33.24 | windowsrefund | obviously the only one here with a clue |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | windowsrefund: i told you exactly what you needed to know .. stop whining .. be thankful .. and go read |
| 18:33.25 | cydork | Azar: yep. |
| 18:33.28 | rahul | abrotman: someone who asks for help and insults people who give them an answer |
| 18:33.44 | abrotman | he's done it before IIRC |
| 18:33.45 | windowsrefund | abrotman, what the fuck makes you think I'm not reading it you fucking prick? |
| 18:33.48 | rahul | c'mon, abrotman. you're smarter than that :) |
| 18:33.49 | hark | !zoo |
| 18:33.49 | dpkg | well, zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 18:33.56 | abrotman | windowsrefund: because oyu're still arguing .. just drop it already .. |
| 18:34.11 | Azar | cydork: thanks, ok so I will start reading about.... |
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| 18:34.17 | windowsrefund | I'm not ARGUING asshole. I'm explaining why rahul's approach was idiotic |
| 18:34.22 | abrotman | windowsrefund: you've got the info you need .. put rahul and myself on /ignore .. and carry on with your life |
| 18:34.31 | windowsrefund | so shut the fuck up already |
| 18:34.39 | abrotman | hurts to lose .... |
| 18:34.47 | rahul | using a package that does exactly what you probably want right out of the box is idiotic? |
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| 18:35.38 | windowsrefund | rahul, when the package behaves differently from other implementations, questions about those differences are valid |
| 18:35.48 | windowsrefund | duh |
| 18:35.53 | rahul | windowsrefund: it doesn't behave differently |
| 18:35.57 | abrotman | it's implementated the same .. |
| 18:36.00 | Ronin | heh well that was a wonderful adult response |
| 18:36.04 | windowsrefund | or perhaps, you've never used any other distro besides Debian? |
| 18:36.10 | rahul | it behaves exactly as the uptream made it |
| 18:36.13 | sparr | great... had to update my nvidia drivers to get a new GL/gl.h, so now i cant play any games until i reboot |
| 18:36.21 | windowsrefund | I can't talk to idiots |
| 18:36.24 | rahul | windowsrefund: perhaps you've never looked at the iptables code |
| 18:36.25 | abrotman | sparr: you and windowsrefund can start a club :) |
| 18:36.30 | windowsrefund | I've got more important things to do |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | like read? |
| 18:36.44 | abrotman | oh .. there's a novel idea ... |
| 18:36.47 | windowsrefund | fuck off asshole |
| 18:36.53 | Azar | windowsrefund: is not nice to offend people who are giving you the attention you need... talk like a civilized person |
| 18:36.56 | sparr | heh, if i ever acquire a copy of windows i dont want again, im going to try to get a refund |
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| 18:37.08 | windowsrefund | take your holy attitude and shove it clown |
| 18:37.12 | rahul | windowsrefund: wtf is your hangup against using the ipmasq package? |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | oh .. poor guy .. |
| 18:37.21 | rahul | oh, we're the ones with the holier-than-thou attitude |
| 18:37.21 | abrotman | it sucks when people help you |
| 18:37.28 | Ronin | wow someone woke up on the wrong side of teh crib i see |
| 18:37.45 | windowsrefund | abrotman, who the fuck do you think you are to assume that someone isn't reading what you referred them to? |
| 18:37.56 | windowsrefund | drop the fucking RTFM already |
| 18:38.03 | abrotman | you're still carrying on ... |
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| 18:38.10 | windowsrefund | because you're a dick |
| 18:38.12 | abrotman | drop the attitude already ... |
| 18:38.13 | Azar | tsk tsk.. not nice |
| 18:38.15 | blondie | windowsrefund: hush now |
| 18:38.26 | abrotman | say "thank you abrotman .. i didn't know those docs were there" .. and let it go |
| 18:38.31 | windowsrefund | when this asshole shuts his trap, I'll drop it |
| 18:38.37 | rahul | hah |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | whine whine bitch whine |
| 18:38.46 | windowsrefund | suck me clown |
| 18:38.47 | Azar | :) oh well... |
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| 18:38.56 | rahul | windowsrefund: I gave you a constructive suggestion, not stop being a prick about it |
| 18:39.02 | rahul | s/not/now |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | rahul: sore loser! |
| 18:39.12 | rahul | heh |
| 18:39.21 | rahul | abrotman: I'll make you sore! |
| 18:39.28 | windowsrefund | rahul, you couldn't even answer a simple question and expect me to thank you for mentioning something off-topic? |
| 18:39.31 | abrotman | rahul: i don't want to use your good answer .. i'm going to whine some more! |
| 18:39.32 | windowsrefund | hah! |
| 18:39.42 | Azar | windowsrefund: ignoring help is FUN |
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| 18:39.48 | rahul | windowsrefund: do you KNOW what the ipmasq package is? |
| 18:39.48 | abrotman | rahul: i don't want to do it the easy way! or the correct way ... i want to yell at people! |
| 18:39.57 | capiira | hmm opera is still default browser :/ |
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| 18:39.59 | rahul | wee |
| 18:40.10 | dererk[work] | do you know if exist any way to daemonize tripwire? |
| 18:40.13 | threw | hi all ! |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | ungrateful people suck |
| 18:40.18 | rahul | dn4: heh |
| 18:40.34 | windowsrefund | I didn't ignore abrotman's info. I was actually sifting through the docs as he decides to jump in with his continuous "RTFM" garbage |
| 18:40.35 | dererk[work] | Or, any other file integrity check that runs daemonized ? |
| 18:40.48 | Ronin | windowsrefund: then ignore him and get over it |
| 18:40.48 | windowsrefund | he's just one of these guys that gets off on telling people to rtfm |
| 18:40.53 | windowsrefund | fuck that |
| 18:40.56 | abrotman | windowsrefund: because you're still jumping rahul .. just say "rahul: abrotman gave me what i need, and i'm reading it now" |
| 18:41.08 | Azar | windowsrefund: no you came here to show us how ubersmart you are and try to insult the helpers |
| 18:41.11 | windowsrefund | I don't need to ignore anyone. I'm perfectly capable of telling this clown why he's an asshole |
| 18:41.13 | abrotman | that would have ended all of it |
| 18:41.16 | rahul | well, the ipmasq package provides much more than the docs do |
| 18:41.22 | Azar | how pathetic |
| 18:41.24 | peterrus | Are there any ops here? as i would like to report [B]abyCool16 as a bot which spams me with idiotic turkish porn sites everytime i connect |
| 18:41.28 | abrotman | windowsrefund: you're perfectly capable of proving that you're an asshole :) |
| 18:41.39 | abrotman | !ops [B]abyCool16 onjoin spam |
| 18:41.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: [B]abyCool16 onjoin spam |
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| 18:41.41 | rahul | peterrus: idiotic porn? interesting |
| 18:41.42 | windowsrefund | abrotman, and you're a clown |
| 18:41.44 | windowsrefund | big deal |
| 18:41.48 | dererk[work] | any idea? :/ |
| 18:41.54 | abrotman | windowsrefund: next time .. find your own answer |
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| 18:41.55 | pickcoder | isn't all porn idiotic? |
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| 18:41.58 | peterrus | rahul: lol -_- |
| 18:42.02 | windowsrefund | abrotman, same for you clown |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:42.10 | Azar | porn is allways fun mostly when is idiotic |
| 18:42.11 | blondie | RichiH: it's those spammers that have been at it enarly a week |
| 18:42.12 | Ronin | windowsrefund: just let it go and get on with your problem/questions |
| 18:42.12 | peterrus | No serieus, this is anoying, there are alot of these bots active |
| 18:42.12 | peterrus | ha |
| 18:42.16 | dn4 | isn't that a paradoxial word, "perfectly?" |
| 18:42.19 | abrotman | worst comeback .. ever :) |
| 18:42.25 | capiira | nobody have a another idea how to change default browser? i tried update alternatives and the preferred software utility from gnome and opera is still default |
| 18:42.29 | RichiH | blondie: they have been at it for years |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | capiira: in gnome or what ? |
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| 18:42.37 | RichiH | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:42.38 | capiira | yeap |
| 18:42.40 | abrotman | capiira: or just one app ? |
| 18:42.53 | windowsrefund | Ronin, there was nothing to LET GO until abrotman decided that he had the right to make assumptions about how I use information |
| 18:42.57 | RichiH | blondie: thankfully, i have an easy and network-wide way to fix that |
| 18:42.58 | peterrus | windowsrefund: I should watch my tongue if i was you, abrotman is a respected member of this channel, and you don't win much sympathy by calling him a clown |
| 18:43.05 | lispy | i installed a custom kernel image and now apt wants to remove the package, how do i mark it as a keeper? |
| 18:43.06 | capiira | for all |
| 18:43.09 | windowsrefund | he is a fucking clown |
| 18:43.11 | Ronin | windowsrefund: not quite correct but im not falling for the trolling, |
| 18:43.13 | windowsrefund | and that's that |
| 18:43.18 | blondie | RichiH: but the past week it's been pretty non-stop, with constantly joining and parting of channels |
| 18:43.20 | windowsrefund | oh great |
| 18:43.20 | abrotman | RichiH: you're welcome |
| 18:43.22 | windowsrefund | another buzz word |
| 18:43.25 | windowsrefund | trolling |
| 18:43.27 | cureless | abrotman: you're fucking clows again? |
| 18:43.29 | peterS | lispy: in aptitude, hit 'm' on that line, or '=' if that is not enough |
| 18:43.29 | capiira | i installed opera and now its the default browser for everywhere |
| 18:43.31 | Ronin | well he does have his moments where he's pretty amusing i must admit |
| 18:43.33 | abrotman | cureless: i'm a cow! |
| 18:43.34 | windowsrefund | buzzword happy #debian |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | windowsrefund: please /part |
| 18:43.42 | peterrus | windowsrefund: plus, you should RTFM about being nice, and making the best out of your life |
| 18:43.44 | capiira | but i want firefox as default |
| 18:43.49 | Azar | :) |
| 18:43.51 | lispy | peterS: and if i don't use aptitude? |
| 18:44.00 | peterrus | capiira: you use gnome? |
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| 18:44.02 | rahul | !moo |
| 18:44.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:44.03 | peterS | lispy: then I wonder why it's trying to remove a package you have installed |
| 18:44.04 | capiira | yes |
| 18:44.07 | lispy | peterS: i did run, aptitiude hold <my package> and that doesn't seem to help |
| 18:44.23 | windowsrefund | well one thing is clear to me. This channel needs to do a better job of reading and understanding the question before throwing out answers |
| 18:44.25 | Azar | hostile patients around |
| 18:44.26 | rahul | lispy: it usually indicates why it wants to do that on the final "go" screen |
| 18:44.31 | RichiH | blondie: yah, it is getting worse. not near as bad as a few years back, but still |
| 18:44.32 | peterrus | windowsrefund: pweeep |
| 18:44.33 | lispy | peterS: i don't get it either, but apt and aptitude both want to remove it just to install w3m |
| 18:44.33 | capiira | i alredy tried update alternatives and the gnome tool |
| 18:44.35 | Ronin | windowsrefund: you not get enough love when you were younger? |
| 18:44.38 | RichiH | in any case: cya :) |
| 18:44.40 | rahul | windowsrefund: stfu and install ipmasq and be happy |
| 18:44.42 | windowsrefund | just answer the question or ignore it |
| 18:44.45 | Azar | :D |
| 18:44.48 | abrotman | I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER .. |
| 18:44.49 | capiira | no success |
| 18:44.50 | Ronin | windowsrefund: it was answered multiple times |
| 18:44.52 | peterS | lispy: because of some package conflict, I suppose? see if you can figure out what is conflicting |
| 18:44.53 | windowsrefund | rahul, that wasn't the question |
| 18:44.53 | rahul | windowsrefund: ipmasq IS debian's init script for setting up iptables. |
| 18:44.56 | peterrus | windowsrefund: In that case i ignore you |
| 18:44.59 | dn4 | abrotman: is right nearly 99.9% of the time when saying, "RTFM," but that other 0.199999% needs to be, "RTFM && STFU." |
| 18:45.08 | blondie | windowsrefund: are you paying for support here? if not, stop complaining |
| 18:45.10 | peterS | lispy: and seriously, aptitude's interactive mode is really good for figuring out why something conflicts with something else |
| 18:45.12 | peterrus | "/ignore windowsrefund " |
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| 18:45.19 | windowsrefund | idiots |
| 18:45.21 | capiira | to me abrotman? |
| 18:45.22 | windowsrefund | I'm outta here |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | capiira: no .. to moron |
| 18:45.28 | cydork | rahul: hmm i dont agree :) |
| 18:45.29 | capiira | cant see an answer sorry |
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| 18:45.32 | lispy | peterS: i can't stand the interactive mode, i always end up doing crazy shit i didn't mean to do |
| 18:45.37 | blondie | awww |
| 18:45.40 | abrotman | capiira: anyways .. the gnome item changes it for gnome apps |
| 18:45.48 | rahul | cydork: well, it's the one that you install if you want something prepackaged, but flexible |
| 18:45.48 | peterS | lispy: it takes some getting used to, but I find it extremely useful once I did get used to it |
| 18:45.50 | abrotman | capiira: do you have an app in mind that it doesn't work for ? |
| 18:45.53 | lispy | peterS: do yo know if there is a way to just mark the package as "don't upgrade or remove"? |
| 18:45.55 | peterrus | capiira: I heard of a BROWSER variable once, maybe you should check echo $BROWSER |
| 18:46.11 | capiira | will try |
| 18:46.22 | peterS | lispy: that would be ':' inside aptitude, or '=' for actual hold (which persists across invocations) |
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| 18:46.38 | lispy | ah well i want it to be permament |
| 18:46.52 | lispy | is that different from 'aptitude hold <package>" |
| 18:46.57 | peterS | no, same thing |
| 18:47.06 | peterS | =, I mean |
| 18:47.08 | lispy | hmm...okay well, it's not helping hten :) |
| 18:47.12 | capiira | abrotman: everything is set for opera :/ |
| 18:47.26 | capiira | url gnome links xchat urls etc. |
| 18:47.27 | rahul | lispy: the interactive mode gives lots of info |
| 18:47.41 | capiira | everything opens opera :/ |
| 18:47.43 | garret | looking for help with packaging, we have an application that is a deb package and needs mysql access, how do we create it so that it ask the pertinant infos and creates the database? |
| 18:48.10 | peterrus | capiira: did you have that variable? and what did it contain? |
| 18:48.10 | cureless | capiira: sorry to come in late, can you summarize what you've tried? |
| 18:48.19 | garret | seems just about everybody does it, but we can't find it :-( |
| 18:48.21 | capiira | no such variable |
| 18:48.25 | peterrus | capiira: too bad |
| 18:48.26 | rahul | capiira: did you restart X? |
| 18:48.32 | rahul | capiira: actually re-login |
| 18:48.33 | capiira | echo = nothing empty line |
| 18:48.40 | peterrus | sudo apt-get remove opera -_- |
| 18:48.43 | capiira | yeah i restarted x and rebooted too |
| 18:48.48 | capiira | heheh |
| 18:48.57 | lispy | well, thanks, i'll poke at it till something makes sense... |
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| 18:49.25 | capiira | cureless: i already tried update alternatives and gnomes preferred software tool |
| 18:49.25 | cureless | capiira: how about your .mailcap? |
| 18:49.49 | capiira | mailcap? |
| 18:49.52 | cureless | capiira: so opera doesnt' show up anywhere in the alternatives right now, right? |
| 18:50.01 | capiira | it shows |
| 18:50.04 | cureless | capiira: see if you have a file named ~/.mailcap |
| 18:50.09 | capiira | but i selected firefox as default |
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| 18:50.21 | cureless | capiira: I mean as the option for anything else. |
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| 18:50.30 | capiira | opera has a + and firefox a * |
| 18:50.47 | capiira | nope |
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| 18:51.15 | abrotman | capiira: that's not good! |
| 18:51.22 | cureless | capiira: opera has a +? |
| 18:51.26 | capiira | yeah |
| 18:51.50 | capiira | and firefox a * |
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| 18:51.59 | cureless | how about you run update alternatives and select firefox then |
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| 18:52.13 | capiira | update alrternatives just gives me the option to select who gets the * |
| 18:52.17 | cureless | capiira: the + is the selected one |
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| 18:52.37 | capiira | update alternatives says the * is the dafault one |
| 18:52.43 | cureless | capiira: do this to see: ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep opera |
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| 18:53.26 | dondelelcaro | * is the default, + is the selected one. |
| 18:53.29 | cureless | iirc you should get 1 opera |
| 18:53.36 | capiira | nope |
| 18:53.38 | capiira | nothing |
| 18:53.53 | dondelelcaro | capiira: what does readlink /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser; say? |
| 18:53.54 | capiira | i just get back to shell |
| 18:53.59 | cureless | I guess opera doesn't have alternatives for itself, heh, anyway... |
| 18:54.19 | cureless | capiira: grep opera /etc/mailcap |
| 18:54.20 | r4663r | what shall i do after apt-get -b source lftp ? |
| 18:54.25 | moshii | is there anything in debian that'll allow the use of roll back config? I have a headless box and if I break the network settings there's no way for me to access the box, so it'd be nice if say I pressed ctrl at boot and it used some default settings instead |
| 18:54.31 | dondelelcaro | r4663r: why are you building lftp? |
| 18:54.39 | cureless | capiira: (and someone did tell you to restart gnome, right?) |
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| 18:54.47 | capiira | yeah |
| 18:54.47 | r4663r | dondelelcaro because i need ssl support |
| 18:54.54 | dondelelcaro | r4663r: lftp has ssl support. |
| 18:55.01 | r4663r | but not in sarge3.1 |
| 18:55.10 | r4663r | it doesnt work |
| 18:55.30 | capiira | cureless: then firefox opens |
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| 18:55.41 | kyncani | moshii: you can install two debian for dual boot, one with as little experiment as possible for rescue |
| 18:55.50 | cureless | capiira: firefox opens when? |
| 18:55.54 | dondelelcaro | r4663r: that's because it was linking against libssl until they added support for gnutls |
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| 18:56.00 | capiira | when i type /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser; |
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| 18:56.19 | r4663r | ?? |
| 18:56.20 | dondelelcaro | r4663r: in any event, running apt-get -b source lftp; isn't good enough; you have to configure it to enable ssl. |
| 18:56.23 | moshii | kyncani: that's impossible now |
| 18:56.30 | r4663r | what shall i do |
| 18:56.38 | capiira | really strange that opera |
| 18:56.50 | dondelelcaro | r4663r: either get a backport of lftp, or apt-get source lftp; modify debian/rules appropriately, and fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 18:56.52 | cureless | capiira: do the grep: grep opera /etc/mailcap |
| 18:56.55 | moshii | kyncani: all I really want is a little script that looks out for some key being held at boot and reverts the config its using |
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| 18:57.11 | m0dY | how to get a command auto executed everytime i chroot to a jail'd environment? |
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| 18:57.27 | dondelelcaro | m0dY: you can't. |
| 18:57.29 | kyncani | moshii: how about an ad-hoc init script that would select a particular config ? |
| 18:57.35 | r4663r | dondelelcaro thats a little bit too much, apt-get source have i done?? |
| 18:57.37 | rahul | put it in the /etc/bash_profile for that chroot? |
| 18:57.43 | SeanTater | I have courier and exim set up with "Maildir"s, using pam for authentication -- is there some other configuration I can use so that I don;t have to create a new syetem user for each e-mail user? |
| 18:57.46 | rahul | assuming you use bash when you chroot |
| 18:57.47 | capiira | then i get nothing |
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| 18:58.00 | LLcoolM | hi, i have a problem with approx |
| 18:58.05 | cureless | capiira: do the grep: grep html /etc/mailca[ |
| 18:58.06 | toad_ | my DVB-T card came with a remote control. that has registered itself as /class/input/input4 . the only comprehensible keys it produces right now are up/down/left/right. what can i use to remap the remaining codes to be usable? |
| 18:58.09 | moshii | kyncani: I've had an idea now.. I may just add an another fallback ip on a different subnet to the interface |
| 18:58.11 | cureless | (mailcap) |
| 18:58.12 | dondelelcaro | SeanTater: there are ldap backends, mysql and postgresql backends as well. |
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| 18:58.27 | LLcoolM | it logs this every 5 minutesapprox: Nethttpd: Bad request line |
| 18:58.34 | dondelelcaro | moshii: the right failback is to have multiple machines, and have serial interfaces for them. |
| 18:58.45 | cureless | toad_: lirc |
| 18:58.48 | LLcoolM | tcpdump doesnt show it recieves or sends any packets |
| 18:58.52 | dondelelcaro | serial interfaces can resolve all kinds of stupidity |
| 18:58.57 | capiira | then i get something saying firefox |
| 18:59.02 | SeanTater | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 18:59.08 | moshii | dondelelcaro: yes I know that, but I don't have the hardware to do it |
| 18:59.27 | dondelelcaro | moshii: well, then you'll be vulnerable to configuration issues where you can't get to the machine. |
| 18:59.36 | capiira | really strange |
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| 18:59.44 | moshii | dondelelcaro: that's what I'm trying to avoid :( |
| 18:59.48 | cureless | capiira: apparently you have some issue with opera and gnome, where are you clicking? |
| 18:59.49 | toad_ | cureless: is that strictly necessary? the modules source package for lirc is broken, and with a correct lirc config file it still didn't work... |
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| 19:00.02 | toad_ | and the module which maps it as a keyboard has already loaded |
| 19:00.05 | capiira | opera opens from everywhere |
| 19:00.11 | capiira | dosent matter from where |
| 19:00.17 | cureless | toad_: well, how are you using the remote? what is receiving the signal? |
| 19:00.23 | capiira | over xchat or a url in email |
| 19:00.23 | toad_ | the card |
| 19:00.36 | toad_ | the card picked it up and registered it as a keyboard |
| 19:00.46 | m0dY | dondelelcaro, why i can't? when i chroot /dir didn't i execute bash ? |
| 19:00.49 | capiira | even over open office opera opens |
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| 19:01.14 | cureless | toad_: intersting, you might get better help at #mythtv-users |
| 19:01.26 | dondelelcaro | m0dY: if you chroot /dir, you execute /bin/sh which does whatever it does, possibly executing stuff in /etc/profile or /etc/bash_profile. |
| 19:01.36 | toad_ | yeah, i tried that... |
| 19:01.36 | cureless | capiira: and you've logged out and back in after all the changes, right? |
| 19:01.37 | dondelelcaro | m0dY: however, if you execute a command directly you don't exec a shell. |
| 19:01.49 | capiira | let me try again |
| 19:01.57 | capiira | but i have done this yeah |
| 19:01.58 | dondelelcaro | m0dY: so there is no way to guarantee that a command will be executed once you chroot. |
| 19:02.11 | capiira | let me do a full system reboot |
| 19:02.20 | capiira | ala windows |
| 19:02.21 | capiira | hehe |
| 19:02.44 | cureless | capiira: how did you install opera? |
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| 19:02.50 | m0dY | dondelelcaro, mmm |
| 19:03.06 | rxKaffee | after upgrading from firfox to iceweasle, every time I start it, it ask if I want to restore session or start a new one, why is that? |
| 19:03.10 | capiira | i got it from their site, a deb package for etch |
| 19:03.34 | stoned | rxKaffee, because... |
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| 19:03.50 | cureless | capiira: you can check the scripts in the deb file, see where it's registering itself |
| 19:03.50 | stoned | rxKaffee, it will remember yoru history, tab history, opened/closed tabs |
| 19:04.05 | Trewas | r4663r: one option is to upgrade the whole distro to etch which has lftp with ssl support, etch will be hopefully released soon and upgrade shouldn't be very risky |
| 19:04.06 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: that's a firefox 2.0 feature. |
| 19:04.07 | capiira | ahh good idea :) |
| 19:04.09 | stoned | rxKaffee, basically just the way you left your browser when you close it. |
| 19:04.15 | peterrus | firefox 2 \o/ |
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| 19:05.00 | stoned | tonilitis sucks |
| 19:05.05 | stoned | tonsil* |
| 19:05.06 | cureless | capiira: also, have you tried gconftool? maybe it has it in there. (I don't really use gnome, so I don't know). |
| 19:05.11 | rxKaffee | I close all my tabs before leaving, and have private data set to automatically purge... |
| 19:05.15 | rxKaffee | there is no "session" for it to restore |
| 19:05.34 | capiira | will try |
| 19:05.38 | capiira | let me reboot again |
| 19:05.43 | capiira | brb |
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| 19:06.17 | rxKaffee | dondelelcaro: stoned: so I'm stuck with having to click that box everytime I start my web browser now? |
| 19:06.27 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: you can probably disable it somewhere |
| 19:06.30 | rxKaffee | I get the same result regardless of which option I take... :/ |
| 19:06.30 | stoned | rxKaffee, which browser is it, ff2.0? |
| 19:06.37 | rxKaffee | stoned: iceweasle |
| 19:06.46 | stoned | rxKaffee, I don't know it, I can't help you |
| 19:06.47 | rxKaffee | from sid repos |
| 19:07.42 | cureless | rxKaffee: try deleting your config directory, or alternatively, see if it has the right permissions. |
| 19:07.49 | stoned | rxKaffee, as dondelelcaro said, sweep the options pages a few times... you should be able to disable it. If you're unable to find an option, stop using that crappy browser |
| 19:07.50 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:08.39 | capiira | still opera hehehe |
| 19:08.46 | stoned | why not firefox man? |
| 19:08.57 | capiira | i want opera to test sites |
| 19:09.03 | capiira | but just not as default |
| 19:09.18 | stoned | I don't like the product because of its name |
| 19:09.26 | stoned | its a web browser called Opera |
| 19:09.31 | capiira | hehe |
| 19:09.32 | stoned | how heterosexual can it be? |
| 19:09.35 | stoned | :/ |
| 19:09.38 | rxKaffee | stoned: iceweasle is firefox... what do yo umean why not firefox |
| 19:09.49 | teledyn_ | what does FTBFS stand for? |
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| 19:09.54 | stoned | iceweasle is firefox? is that a new name for it? |
| 19:09.58 | capiira | gnome sounds not better :) |
| 19:10.08 | cureless | stoned: what stone have you been hiding under? |
| 19:10.12 | rxKaffee | stoned: its renamed for debian |
| 19:10.20 | stoned | cureless, I don't pay attention to that crap man |
| 19:10.22 | stoned | I use what I need |
| 19:10.34 | stoned | I obviously didn't know |
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| 19:11.09 | cureless | capiira: and the default browser in gnome is set to firefox under Preferred applications right? |
| 19:11.16 | stoned | dude |
| 19:11.19 | stoned | it is NOT firefox |
| 19:11.23 | stoned | I was right, and go f yerself |
| 19:11.24 | stoned | :/ |
| 19:11.25 | capiira | yep |
| 19:11.33 | craigevil | Facts about Debian and Mozilla® Firefox®> http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97 |
| 19:11.54 | capiira | everywhere firefox is set as default but opera keeps opening |
| 19:11.58 | stoned | I'm on wikipedia riht now. Debian is trying to get the name changed, doesn't mean firefox isn't firefox anymore |
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| 19:12.16 | capiira | just in update alternatives i noticed that opera has a + and firefox a * |
| 19:12.19 | cureless | capiira: well, you'll have to look at the install scripts. |
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| 19:12.44 | peterrus | capiira: cant you just change that + in a * and vice versa? |
| 19:12.45 | stoned | "it if a fork of firefox..." |
| 19:12.54 | schme | ... |
| 19:12.55 | capiira | yeah i extracted the deb and im searching for them now |
| 19:13.03 | capiira | nah i can only set the * |
| 19:13.07 | peterrus | i see |
| 19:13.07 | schme | GNU Iceweasel is not the same as iceweasel in debian |
| 19:13.07 | capiira | but not the + |
| 19:13.26 | stoned | it is* |
| 19:13.30 | stoned | damn high |
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| 19:13.36 | capiira | i even tried the firefox button set as default browser |
| 19:13.37 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 19:13.37 | peterrus | stoned bastard |
| 19:13.43 | capiira | dosent help too |
| 19:14.21 | peterrus | dont hurt me |
| 19:14.27 | capiira | hmmmmm Provides: opera-static, www-browser |
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| 19:14.45 | capiira | maybe not x-www-browser |
| 19:14.56 | mage | would debian be a good thing to run for a nfsroot? |
| 19:15.25 | stoned | peterrus, what? |
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| 19:15.25 | stoned | RvGaTe, what up man |
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| 19:15.38 | RvGaTe | stoned, just settling down for a night of gaming |
| 19:15.41 | peterrus | stoned: nvm :p |
| 19:15.45 | stoned | ahh yeah, as long as it works im happy |
| 19:16.12 | stoned | I dont' care if it is called pipmple on my butt browser and uses pictures and artwork of pooping donkeys |
| 19:16.19 | stoned | if the browser still works, I'm down with it |
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| 19:16.41 | jinda1 | hello guys, how to list the dependencies of a package? |
| 19:17.37 | capiira | lol |
| 19:17.49 | capiira | opera writes questions to their scripts |
| 19:17.53 | stoned | jinda1, apt-cache show pkgname |
| 19:17.54 | Guerin | jinda1: apt-cache depends |
| 19:17.56 | daxxar | jinda1, apt-cache show package |
| 19:17.56 | capiira | as comments |
| 19:17.59 | capiira | hehe |
| 19:18.02 | capiira | ohh god |
| 19:18.12 | jinda1 | oks |
| 19:18.17 | capiira | # Anyone got a right idea for what priority we should use ? |
| 19:18.28 | capiira | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/opera 80 |
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| 19:18.37 | rxKaffee | is there a package in a 3rd party repo or something for firefox 2.0 that doesnt have this rediculous green logo? |
| 19:18.48 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: hahaha |
| 19:18.53 | Guerin | capiira: opera: priority 1,000,000; where high priority is low |
| 19:18.55 | rxKaffee | it seriously makes my taskbar cry :/ |
| 19:18.57 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: that's really what i thought too |
| 19:19.02 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: it's really ugly |
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| 19:19.08 | capiira | crazy people |
| 19:19.12 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: a green world. HEMP PLANET EARTH |
| 19:19.12 | Guerin | rxKaffee: greendiculous? |
| 19:19.17 | robin_sz | where? |
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| 19:19.37 | rxKaffee | tarzeau: man it doesn't even look like hemp! I could handle it if twere a nice deep green leaf |
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| 19:19.53 | rxKaffee | but that lime grean monkey head or whatever it is just turns my stomach |
| 19:19.53 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: heh :) |
| 19:19.54 | Guerin | rxKaffee: CARE LESS ABOUT ICONS |
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| 19:20.08 | rxKaffee | Guerin: kinda hard to when its the brightest thing on the screen |
| 19:20.25 | tarzeau | rxKaffee: ah you also calibrate your screen with xgamma? |
| 19:20.33 | rxKaffee | nope |
| 19:20.38 | tuv | firefox (ieweasel) exhibits unnatural high cpu usage. is it only me or is something wrong with it? |
| 19:20.49 | tarzeau | tuv: no, that's normal |
| 19:20.51 | rxKaffee | tuv: nothing new there |
| 19:20.52 | Guerin | tuv: not for me. |
| 19:20.55 | tarzeau | tuv: it's mozilla software |
| 19:21.01 | tarzeau | tuv: using some java or flash webpage? |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | kawfee ? |
| 19:21.10 | tarzeau | tuv: or many pictures? large ones? animated gif? |
| 19:21.14 | Guerin | the firefox hater's brigade might complain, but it's not given me any grief since pre-beta |
| 19:21.15 | Azar | ok is dpkg in need to be updated regarding the etch nvidia? as of Dec 12 2006 the nvidia-graphics-drivers 1.0.8776-3 was accepted in testing. dpkg recommends to get something less than -3 ? |
| 19:21.17 | rxKaffee | abrotman: s/w/f/ |
| 19:21.27 | Guerin | mostly cpu usage is caused by java and/or flash |
| 19:21.42 | Eulex | animated gifs might too use some cpu |
| 19:21.46 | tarzeau | Azar: i've got the latest nvidia driver (not from debian) - not sure if i can say that , but it works great |
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| 19:22.00 | willy23123 | Hi |
| 19:22.18 | willy23123 | my server got its hard disk currupted |
| 19:22.25 | Azar | tarzeau: I am speaking the language of the dying, not the dieties' one |
| 19:22.30 | tarzeau | willy23123: get a new harddisk, and restore the backup |
| 19:23.30 | Azar | tarzeau: the noobs like me will allways hide under mother debian's skirts rules |
| 19:23.46 | willy23123 | i used e2fsck to fix the disk sectors |
| 19:23.51 | stoned | huh |
| 19:24.09 | tarzeau | willy23123: e2fsck only fixes filesystem damages not disk sector damages |
| 19:24.25 | Guerin | willy23123: stresstest it with badblocks and dd before using |
| 19:24.26 | tarzeau | willy23123: but the hd controller might have fixed it by putting it into the damage list |
| 19:24.39 | Guerin | or bonnie++ might also be useful |
| 19:24.42 | rxKaffee | so no "real" firefox availiable in non-free repos or anything like that? |
| 19:24.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'd use a vendor tool |
| 19:24.50 | rxKaffee | perhaps I'll try swiftfox instead |
| 19:24.56 | tuv | tarzeau, maybe javascripts, and (animated) images. but even after i close those pages, the cpu usage doesn't go down until i exit firefox |
| 19:24.58 | peterS | rxKaffee: whatever would be the point? iceweasel is the same thing with a new name |
| 19:25.00 | Guerin | rxKaffee: if you care so much, use the one from mozilla.org |
| 19:25.01 | r4663r | can i put the password of ssh in the same line, so that i can write a script that can log in via ssh? |
| 19:25.07 | tarzeau | tuv: close all firefox? |
| 19:25.10 | Guerin | peterS: he doesn't like the widdle green icon |
| 19:25.18 | tarzeau | r4663r: that's a bad idea |
| 19:25.23 | willy23123 | so what would fic bad sectors |
| 19:25.25 | r4663r | tarzeau i know |
| 19:25.27 | tuv | tarzeau, yes. at least sometimes. it's not very consistent |
| 19:25.29 | rxKaffee | and I don't like that it deleted my menu icon either |
| 19:25.29 | willy23123 | *fix |
| 19:25.35 | rxKaffee | in my programs menu that is |
| 19:25.36 | peterS | Guerin: oh so he thinks debian mirrors should use how many extra megabytes of space so he can change his icon back? |
| 19:25.37 | tarzeau | r4663r: you know the better idea too? |
| 19:25.47 | Guerin | r4663r: google ssh unattended: the short answer is `no, but there's another way' |
| 19:25.48 | r4663r | but i want to know how easy it is for other people to bruteforce my computer |
| 19:25.54 | r4663r | yes i know the better idea |
| 19:25.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: also what he wants to do is possible, but i'd really not do it |
| 19:26.01 | Guerin | r4663r: you're stupid |
| 19:26.10 | r4663r | why? |
| 19:26.11 | rxKaffee | peterS: they store everything and the kitchen sink in non-free anyway, so why not? :P |
| 19:26.12 | Guerin | r4663r: anyone can bruteforce their own computer |
| 19:26.28 | tarzeau | 20:26 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from r4663r: xchat 2.6.6 Ubuntu |
| 19:26.33 | tarzeau | r4663r: are you not wrong in #debian ? |
| 19:26.34 | Guerin | r4663r: trying the techniques YOU think an attacker might try is double-jeopardy and you can't win |
| 19:26.38 | bbelt16ag | my torrents keep dying dang it |
| 19:26.53 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: apt-get install bittorrent-cpr |
| 19:26.56 | r4663r | oO |
| 19:27.01 | bbelt16ag | cpr? what that do |
| 19:27.02 | r4663r | u dont understand me i think |
| 19:27.08 | Guerin | r4663r: possible. |
| 19:27.12 | tarzeau | r4663r: i think i do, your problem is not relevant in #debian |
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| 19:27.27 | r4663r | where is it relevant |
| 19:27.28 | r4663r | ? |
| 19:27.31 | peterS | #ubuntu |
| 19:27.32 | tarzeau | r4663r: #ubuntu |
| 19:27.46 | r4663r | no, my server is running with debian :) |
| 19:27.56 | r4663r | thats only my desktop computer with ubuntu |
| 19:28.15 | grelli | r4663r: if your concern is with the strength of your password, then you need to consider what you're using for a password |
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| 19:28.33 | Guerin | r4663r: tell us your password, we'll let you know if it's strong enough |
| 19:28.37 | rahul | heh |
| 19:28.40 | r4663r | lol |
| 19:28.40 | rahul | use pubkey auth |
| 19:28.45 | grelli | if your concern is with an exploit within ssh, then you're looking at a different problem set all together |
| 19:29.00 | r4663r | um using keyfiles... |
| 19:29.13 | Guerin | then why the fuck are you asking about ssh password auth/ |
| 19:29.14 | Guerin | ? |
| 19:29.15 | r4663r | um = i'm |
| 19:29.23 | willy23123 | after using e2fsck the system says kernal panic |
| 19:29.38 | r4663r | because im interest if theres a possibility to ssh with one line.. |
| 19:29.52 | Guerin | willy23123: that would happen if you didn't unmount it, or if the fsck had to break some useful files |
| 19:30.01 | willy23123 | what does kernal panic mean |
| 19:30.03 | Guerin | r4663r: wtf |
| 19:30.07 | Guerin | !wayttd r4663r |
| 19:30.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, r4663r? |
| 19:30.08 | Azar | ok another question: if I were to upgrade this box (Sarge) to Etch and I already have my nvidia driver installed, configured, and I wish to keep xfree86 will that be possible? If not, if I get xorg I will have to re-install, reconfigure my nvidia driver as per new recommendations? |
| 19:30.16 | peterS | willy23123: means your system is completely dead and must be rebooted |
| 19:30.20 | Guerin | willy23123: it means `get a new drive and reinstall' |
| 19:30.25 | peterS | well, that too |
| 19:30.37 | Guerin | peterS: happy noo jear |
| 19:30.40 | r4663r | Guerin : again: i want to see how easy it is / or how hard, that other people can bruteforce my server... |
| 19:30.46 | stoned | Azar, it will change your kernel to the new one used in etch |
| 19:30.47 | Guerin | r4663r: be more specific. |
| 19:30.58 | stoned | Azar, as such you will merely need to recompile the new nvidia kernel |
| 19:30.59 | peterS | Guerin: and a happy ought seven 2u2 |
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| 19:31.04 | stoned | Azar, quite trivial actually |
| 19:31.14 | willy23123 | can u reinstall debian on the same drive without formatting it |
| 19:31.20 | Guerin | r4663r: what specific ways are you thinking to test? |
| 19:31.21 | stoned | yes |
| 19:31.23 | Azar | stoned, ok thanks :) xfree86 will be kicked out? |
| 19:31.26 | tarzeau | willy23123: i can |
| 19:31.30 | stoned | willy23123, yes |
| 19:31.35 | Guerin | willy23123: your drive is almost certainly fucked beyond repair. |
| 19:31.45 | Guerin | willy23123: so that would be unwise. |
| 19:31.46 | stoned | willy23123, during the partitioning phase of the installer, simply chose keep existing file system |
| 19:32.17 | willy23123 | will that over write the missing filews |
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| 19:32.23 | willy23123 | will that over write the missing files |
| 19:32.26 | stoned | !confmiss |
| 19:32.26 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:32.29 | Guerin | willy23123: theoretically |
| 19:32.31 | stoned | willy23123, what did you do |
| 19:32.32 | stoned | ? |
| 19:32.40 | r4663r | Guerin im thinking of a small shell script that bruteforces a computer with a wordlist, and now i want to know if its so easy i think, and the only thing i dont know, is if its possible, for exampe "ssh -u user -password bla", in the man page of ssh i havent found something |
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| 19:33.18 | Guerin | r4663r: can't be done, modern ssh slients don't allow it. You'd need to get a modified ssh client for that. |
| 19:33.46 | moshii | r4663r: they proble you'll have with bruteforcing is the delay that's there between login failures |
| 19:33.46 | r4663r | okay thats i want to know, thx |
| 19:33.46 | peterS | r4663r: the way to brute force a computer is to write your own ssh client that does things a little more efficiently. if you are serious about your hax0r career, you need to learn to do stuff like this anyway |
| 19:33.46 | xingu | r4663r: I wouldn't start by assumping that the remote end is using an unmolested source base |
| 19:33.47 | Guerin | r4663r: in any case, it's retarded. If you don't want your machine vulnerable to a dictionary attack, don't use a dictionary word for a pass. |
| 19:33.52 | willy23123 | came into work and one of the servers was down it said that disk seek error unrecoverable |
| 19:33.54 | r4663r | i dont want to start a haxx0r career :D |
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| 19:34.13 | r4663r | sure Guerin |
| 19:34.21 | grelli | willy23123: time to reach for a new disk and your backups |
| 19:34.22 | Guerin | r4663r: then give up now, because all you'll achieve is a false sense of security |
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| 19:34.34 | stoned | like white poeple |
| 19:34.35 | willy23123 | it was just our Dhcp, Dns and proxy server |
| 19:34.38 | stoned | I mean |
| 19:34.40 | peterS | r4663r: if there really is a legitimate reason to enable password auth, you need to enforce a strong password policy somehow |
| 19:34.41 | stoned | did I say that out loud |
| 19:34.49 | xingu | r4663r: you probably want to look into iptables "recent" match target. |
| 19:34.51 | Guerin | r4663r: the only way to test your security is to have a complete outsider test it with a free hand. |
| 19:34.52 | stoned | friggin air ports... |
| 19:35.07 | willy23123 | My boss wont buy a new disk |
| 19:35.08 | bbelt16ag | i got it to work by updating stuff.. |
| 19:35.16 | moshii | stoned: you don't have to wlak across a live runway to get to work! |
| 19:35.20 | r4663r | ehm Guerin it wasnt an invitation :) |
| 19:35.28 | Guerin | stoned: make sure you throw out your nail clippers, otherwise your whole plot will be busted |
| 19:35.30 | grelli | willy23123: so your boss doesn't want dhcp, dns and proxy? |
| 19:35.35 | stoned | lol |
| 19:35.37 | Guerin | r4663r: i know. |
| 19:35.41 | r4663r | good |
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| 19:36.09 | willy23123 | yeah, it used to mush power and was noisy |
| 19:36.30 | willy23123 | ill use a hard disk from another old PC i guess |
| 19:37.00 | stoned | ey |
| 19:37.11 | stoned | note: "sense" of false/economy |
| 19:37.15 | willy23123 | My boss is big into false economy |
| 19:37.27 | Guerin | bosses tend to be focussed on the short term |
| 19:37.28 | stoned | so xingu your argument would become moot. |
| 19:37.34 | Guerin | their bosses tend to be less so |
| 19:37.40 | willy23123 | or network switch had 2 ports burn out |
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| 19:38.02 | stoned | my network has his admin burn out |
| 19:38.07 | stoned | <-- |
| 19:38.16 | stoned | :D |
| 19:38.31 | stoned | Azar, have you installed etch yet? |
| 19:38.33 | OffHand | any bash scripting guru's over here? |
| 19:38.37 | stoned | #bash |
| 19:38.47 | OffHand | thats right |
| 19:38.54 | OffHand | :P |
| 19:38.59 | xingu | should really be #!bash surely |
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| 19:39.11 | willy23123 | im getting worried about or file server its an old 5 year old Dell desktop computer and its got €3million of research and development info on it |
| 19:39.14 | Assid | heya |
| 19:39.21 | peterS | xingu: heh |
| 19:39.23 | stoned | wow |
| 19:39.25 | Assid | err. quick question.. how do i put a device from pio to DMA? |
| 19:39.30 | Guerin | willy23123: ftlog, buy some real disks |
| 19:39.30 | stoned | willy23123, wow |
| 19:39.33 | stoned | I'm speechless |
| 19:39.34 | peterS | Assid: use 'hdparm' |
| 19:39.41 | Assid | merci |
| 19:39.46 | willy23123 | ive been on at my box for 6 months about getting new hard disks |
| 19:39.54 | r4663r | what have i to change in sources.list when i want to upgrade from sarge |
| 19:39.58 | Guerin | nothign wrong with the age of the machine, or the brand - as long as the disks are good, and backed up |
| 19:40.05 | Ronin | r4663r: depends, to what? |
| 19:40.07 | xingu | and mirrored |
| 19:40.09 | OffHand | so that's all the knowledge about bash in this channel? |
| 19:40.20 | Guerin | willy23123: do a cost-benefit analysis based on MTBF for that particular brand of drive |
| 19:40.23 | Ronin | OffHand: well seeing as you didnt really ask any questions |
| 19:40.25 | willy23123 | wonder if getting raid would be an idea? |
| 19:40.30 | azeem | OffHand: for bash questions, ask the bash channel (#bash) |
| 19:40.30 | Guerin | willy23123: he'll buy you a new raid array in a flash |
| 19:40.31 | r4663r | Ronin i want to upgrade to the version after sarge |
| 19:40.33 | Assid | any way to defualt use dma instead of every boot |
| 19:40.36 | r4663r | etch or something like tha |
| 19:40.39 | stoned | r4663r, change any occurance of "sarge" or "stable" with "etch" or "testing" |
| 19:40.44 | OffHand | ok azeem, I'll try |
| 19:40.49 | Ronin | !tell r4663r about sarge> etch |
| 19:40.56 | OffHand | Ronin, I did: any bash scripting guru's over here? |
| 19:41.06 | Guerin | !guru |
| 19:41.07 | dpkg | i guess guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
| 19:41.10 | azeem | OffHand: that's a meta-question |
| 19:41.15 | xingu | willy23123: better idea, how about you price downtime for him in terms of euros per hour worth of unproductive workforce |
| 19:41.18 | Ronin | OffHand: never mind azeem beat me to it |
| 19:41.20 | azeem | OffHand: we /might/ answer specific questions about bash |
| 19:41.22 | willy23123 | i think ill get a new job |
| 19:41.40 | willy23123 | im fed up of this |
| 19:41.41 | Ronin | ok whats the cmd to get dpkg to tell r4663r about sarge to etch again? |
| 19:41.49 | Guerin | willy23123: take a copy of said research with you, so you can sell it back to them when the other drive dies ;) |
| 19:41.54 | azeem | Ronin: /msg dpkg listkeys etch |
| 19:41.56 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:41.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 19:41.56 | xingu | willy23123: if he can't see the wood for the trees in those terms, start nicking everything that's not bolted down now, cause you'll go bust sooner rather than later |
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| 19:42.14 | stoned | stew has a great web search as well |
| 19:42.21 | willy23123 | i havent been able to do a full back up in two weeks as the backup disks are full |
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| 19:42.24 | OffHand | ok azeem and ronin (I hope you do not mind the pastebin): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/335/ |
| 19:42.43 | OffHand | now what's wrong with that script |
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| 19:43.13 | Ronin | !tell r4663r about sarge->etch |
| 19:43.16 | Guerin | OffHand: give us the output of sh -x scriptname too |
| 19:43.17 | Rockj | how can I check what my network nic is set to? 1000mbps or 100mbps and so on? |
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| 19:43.26 | xingu | Rockj: mii-tool if you're lucky |
| 19:43.28 | Guerin | Rockj: mii-tool |
| 19:43.34 | OffHand | say what Guerin? |
| 19:43.34 | Guerin | Rockj: or dmesg sometimes tells you |
| 19:43.35 | intruder | i wondered, since we have a mkfs.vfat, if this fs is "sort of" open source ? |
| 19:43.37 | willy23123 | and there planning on expanding the size of the company in 2 months and getting an extra 30 employees |
| 19:43.44 | Rockj | I installed it, and it showed 100mbps on my intel cards |
| 19:43.57 | Rockj | while /var/log/syslog shows 1000mbps when you insert the cable earlier today |
| 19:43.59 | Rockj | so confused |
| 19:44.00 | azeem | intruder: there are free implementations of vfat, yes |
| 19:44.01 | OffHand | it behaves like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/365/ |
| 19:44.02 | Guerin | OffHand: i can't be any more clear. RUn sh -x scriptname and post the output |
| 19:44.09 | r4663r | tthx |
| 19:44.15 | Assid | peterS: you free for a sec? |
| 19:44.22 | peterS | Assid: perhaps |
| 19:44.22 | intruder | azeem: ok so its a gnu vfat and not the original fs formatting |
| 19:44.30 | Assid | i keep getting this hdd: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 19:44.44 | Guerin | Assid: get a new drive |
| 19:44.44 | xingu | Rockj: it's probably negotiated down to 100m; are your cables full four-pair? |
| 19:44.50 | stoned | Assid, ouch |
| 19:44.52 | azeem | intruder: yes, seeing that the original wasn't compiled for Linux |
| 19:44.55 | Assid | brand new drive |
| 19:44.56 | peterS | Assid: is /dev/hdd a CD-ROM drive, or a hard drive? |
| 19:45.06 | willy23123 | what would have caused a disk to fail like that? |
| 19:45.08 | Assid | hdd = drive / hdc = cdrom |
| 19:45.09 | Rockj | xingu: all our cables are full four-pair. |
| 19:45.18 | Rockj | but I'm not at the server room to verify it atm. |
| 19:45.24 | OffHand | hold on Guerin |
| 19:45.24 | Guerin | Assid: see if the cables are seated properly |
| 19:45.27 | xingu | Rockj: what's it connected to? back to back or a switch? |
| 19:45.34 | Rockj | gbps switch. |
| 19:45.37 | peterS | Assid: well, first, it probably makes more sense for hdc to be a disk and hdd the cdrom, but that's not really related to your error |
| 19:45.39 | Assid | yeah trying to get someone in the office to do that |
| 19:45.50 | Rockj | and the leds showed gbps last time I was down watching |
| 19:46.05 | Assid | im asking them to put in another IDE cable.. and punch it up there |
| 19:46.08 | Assid | may solve the problem |
| 19:46.20 | Guerin | ide cables are fucking stupid |
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| 19:46.29 | Guerin | so very prone to pins bending |
| 19:46.34 | blokkie | any postfix guru care to help me for a sec ? |
| 19:46.39 | Assid | i was gonna get a sata .. but complicated story |
| 19:46.41 | r4663r | Err http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/testing Sources |
| 19:46.41 | r4663r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.41 | Guerin | blokkie: #postfix |
| 19:46.44 | r4663r | hm |
| 19:46.46 | blokkie | thx |
| 19:46.48 | OffHand | Guerin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/368/ |
| 19:46.50 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to set up a gpg keyring authentication for openssh can somone point me to some howto's or good articles on the subject please? |
| 19:46.52 | peterS | r4663r: not etch/testing, dists/etch |
| 19:46.58 | ManuP | hi! anyone here who has a hp nx6325 or nx6315? |
| 19:47.06 | peterS | r4663r: I mean, just plain 'etch' |
| 19:47.08 | HymnToLife | !anyone |
| 19:47.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:47.11 | Rockj | xingu: ethtool shows full duplex 1000mbps on my intel card. |
| 19:47.13 | stoned | ManuP, printers? |
| 19:47.14 | xingu | Rockj: I'd tend to assume that mii-tool might be lying then; however it's the best lie there is on the subject, and, this is on the assumption that your cable is a known-good, well seated four-pair cable, and that your statement about the switch lights is true. |
| 19:47.28 | ManuP | stoned, no, it is a notebook. |
| 19:47.34 | xingu | Rockj: fair enough |
| 19:47.38 | stoned | ManuP, what is your need/question? |
| 19:47.43 | Rockj | and 100mbps on eth0 which is correct |
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| 19:47.47 | HymnToLife | ManuP, just ask you r real question |
| 19:47.57 | r4663r | :-/ |
| 19:48.01 | Guerin | OffHand: pidof is failing. Check the manpage to see why. |
| 19:48.04 | Rockj | and 1000 on eth1. hum. Oki, need to figure out what makes such bad speeds then. |
| 19:48.08 | Rockj | anyway. Thanks :) |
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| 19:48.27 | OffHand | so the cript looks alright Guerin? |
| 19:48.28 | r4663r | whats wrong in deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 19:48.39 | xingu | Rockj: are you configured for jumbo frames on switch and linux? |
| 19:48.49 | grendal_prime | has anyone set up etch like on a laptop to use a phone as a dun device? |
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| 19:49.11 | xingu | Rockj: irq rate of ordinary ether sized frames at 1Gbps line rates is lethal. |
| 19:49.12 | ManuP | HymnToLife, i updated my bios to the new F.06 version. i now want to know if that was enough to get my fan-control running. Or if i need further setps like to add a cron job for acpi -t or what ever. |
| 19:49.13 | Guerin | OffHand: yeah, the syntax is valid, but that don't mean it'll work |
| 19:49.15 | grendal_prime | seems like the kppp should dot it, im just not awaire of how to set it up. |
| 19:49.17 | stoned | contrib nonfree are not the debian main, so I guess debian security doesn't update them? |
| 19:49.18 | peterS | r4663r: dunno, looks ok to me, is that what it says on http://security.debian.org/ ? |
| 19:49.21 | stoned | am I wrong or right? |
| 19:49.27 | ManuP | !nx6325 |
| 19:49.39 | OffHand | thnx Guerin |
| 19:49.59 | Rockj | xingu: I haven't played with that. How could I easily increase it? |
| 19:50.06 | stoned | nevermind |
| 19:50.11 | r4663r | peterS i dont know where the error is |
| 19:50.22 | r4663r | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch testing |
| 19:50.25 | r4663r | is that correct? |
| 19:50.43 | willy23123 | so which files should i copy off the old hard disk? |
| 19:50.43 | peterS | r4663r: no, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 19:51.12 | Guerin | willy23123: as many as possible |
| 19:51.14 | willy23123 | would the /etc folder be the main one |
| 19:51.14 | r4663r | thx |
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| 19:52.15 | brainwasher | hi all |
| 19:52.22 | willy23123 | well i wanted a new proxy server configured with delay pools anyway |
| 19:52.44 | brainwasher | ive a problem, when reeboting grub return me error 22 |
| 19:52.57 | xingu | Rockj: at the linux end, adjust interface mtu |
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| 19:53.18 | willy23123 | i wonder if clark connect would be the best intrim solution |
| 19:53.24 | xingu | Rockj: generally, you need to know what the switch's capabilities are also; if it's a managed switch, you may need to adjust port mtu |
| 19:54.32 | willy23123 | So what is the best model of server for 30 people? |
| 19:54.42 | willy23123 | and what switch |
| 19:55.08 | Rockj | xingu: oki, since we have no high-end switch without managment - what is preferred? |
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| 19:55.32 | xingu | Rockj: ? |
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| 19:56.40 | ManuP | i can turn on my fan with echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/C352/state and switch off with 3... can i also control the rpms? |
| 19:56.44 | rxKaffee | arg... I cannot get rid of iceweasle! lol... I installed swiftfox, and when I run `swiftfox` from a commandline... iceweasle starts up |
| 19:56.55 | tackler | Hi. |
| 19:57.04 | Rockj | xingu: no worries. I'll play around abit with it. |
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| 19:57.13 | willy23123 | is this much good http://www.clarkconnect.com/ |
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| 19:57.43 | tackler | Hey foc. |
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| 19:57.51 | foc | hi, i remember there was a command that once issues pop'd a blue and white screen which allowed selection of modules but i don't rember what cmd was - some can help ? |
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| 19:58.13 | xingu | Rockj: you do need to start off finding the intersection of the switch and nic capabilities |
| 19:58.15 | Guerin | foc: modconf |
| 19:58.17 | mentor | foc: modconf |
| 19:58.17 | tackler | Anyone here familiar with the band Live? |
| 19:58.22 | mentor | ... |
| 19:58.24 | willy23123 | aptitude? |
| 19:58.35 | xingu | Rockj: and for that, you need the spec sheet/ config sheet for the switch. |
| 19:58.43 | eduhat | hey guys. i need to get my card to use hostap driver. right now its using orinoco. but i need it to use hostap. i have a 2.6.18 version kernel so i know its possible. |
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| 19:59.17 | xingu | Rockj: on the linux end, for e1000 driver - RxDescriptors needs to be set as a module parameter, and ifconfig ethX mtu someinteger |
| 19:59.30 | nn-main | is there a comand that will make a single partition to a disk and than format that patertition with vfat |
| 19:59.45 | xingu | Rockj: the e1000 driver can go to 16110 mtu and I'd suggest you use rxdescriptors at 16384 at that size |
| 19:59.49 | tackler | Wow. |
| 19:59.57 | tackler | Y'all have very difficult, technical issues. |
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| 20:00.03 | tackler | About the simplest things. |
| 20:00.09 | tackler | I never see these things in Windows rooms. |
| 20:00.19 | willy23123 | what about http://www.ebox-platform.com/ |
| 20:00.21 | tackler | Maybe it's time to switch to a simpler OS? |
| 20:00.22 | xingu | !tell eduhat about blacklist |
| 20:00.25 | Guerin | tackler: live shouldn't be. |
| 20:00.31 | Ronin | tackler: thats casue windows makes most if not all decisions for you |
| 20:00.39 | Rockj | xingu: looking up the poor switch spec sheet now.. |
| 20:00.50 | xingu | that's because windows crashes before you can start an irc client you mean |
| 20:00.51 | tackler | Ronin, Let the computer be a computer. |
| 20:00.52 | blondie | tackler: this is a channel not a room |
| 20:00.53 | tackler | So you can be a human. |
| 20:01.02 | xingu | or if you've gone xp sp2, it stops your irc client getting out |
| 20:01.02 | Ronin | xingu: that too |
| 20:01.05 | tackler | Ronin, Elsewise you have to sacrifice your life as a human to become a computer. |
| 20:01.08 | blondie | xingu: actually XP is very stable |
| 20:01.14 | Guerin | oh, undernet tards |
| 20:01.14 | tackler | That's what I see happening here. |
| 20:01.15 | enyc | I wonder how the network driver knows it is speaking to another host on the subnet that can do the lange mtu frames |
| 20:01.21 | Ronin | umm ok tackler , dont suppose you have a debian related question do you? |
| 20:01.30 | Guerin | tackler: you lose. |
| 20:01.31 | intruder | blondie: oh really |
| 20:01.32 | Zta | xingu, uhm... do you have time to perhaps give me a few extra hints about that NFS problem? I've tried exporting a similarly configured dir on another machine, and the mountpoint acts the same way on my client. Also, I've tried mounting the original export (from yesterday) on another machine, and again the mountpoint acts the same way, ie. not r/w/x access. |
| 20:01.42 | tackler | Y'all sound like MACHINES talking to me. |
| 20:01.44 | blondie | intruder: yes really |
| 20:01.51 | tackler | Look at Zta. Is that even English? |
| 20:01.53 | blondie | tackler: go troll somewhere else |
| 20:01.57 | xingu | tackler: say, in between trolling, do you actually add any value to the species, or should the ops can you now before you cost us all some download quota? |
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| 20:02.15 | intruder | tackler: that's what we are :P |
| 20:02.18 | tackler | This OS is taking away your humanity. |
| 20:02.19 | intruder | machines |
| 20:02.25 | littleknoppy | hello all what is libXm.so.3 and what is its relation to openmotif ?? |
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| 20:02.27 | Guerin | !ope exterminate tackler |
| 20:02.32 | lunaphyte_ | anyone here familiar with backuppc |
| 20:02.32 | lunaphyte_ | ? |
| 20:02.33 | Guerin | !ops exterminate tackler |
| 20:02.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: exterminate tackler |
| 20:02.48 | Zta | tackler, having fun? |
| 20:02.51 | tackler | Guerin, Sit down and act like a civilized gentleman. |
| 20:02.51 | peterS | tackler: do you have a point? more to the point, do you have a Debian question? |
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| 20:03.00 | Guerin | tackler: but I am. It is you who aren't. |
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| 20:03.29 | Guerin | exterminate |
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| 20:03.45 | Ronin | tackler: well seeing as this is a support channel for a distro of course the conversation is going to be almost all tech related |
| 20:03.56 | eduhat | xingu: i need to scan for pcmcia slots though. just that i need it to load a different module. istead of starting orinoco i need it to start hostap |
| 20:03.59 | tackler | Guerin, You well know it pains me to see my fellow man losing everything he is in the wake of some machine. |
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| 20:04.01 | Guerin | Ronin: that's actually mostly false. |
| 20:04.04 | Ronin | tackler: there are many other channels on freenode that aren't, perhaps you meed to find one of those |
| 20:04.05 | rahul | tackler: here's an idea. if you don't want to be here, get lost. |
| 20:04.10 | Ronin | Guerin: ya i know :) |
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| 20:04.18 | eduhat | xingu: i have a prism2.5 card btw |
| 20:04.21 | Guerin | exterminate |
| 20:04.29 | peterS | that's for not answering my question about whether you have a debian question |
| 20:04.31 | xingu | Zta: just out of interest, what happens if you use mountvers=3 on the client end? |
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| 20:04.56 | xingu | Zta: ... as a mount opt that is. |
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| 20:05.11 | xingu | Zta: oh bother, nfsvers=3 I meant |
| 20:05.23 | rahul | silly camel |
| 20:05.29 | juanma | hello, anyone knows an easy way to install files in a directory a la gtk/gtk*.h instead of /usr/include/gtk*.h? |
| 20:05.33 | eduhat | xingu: can you help? |
| 20:05.38 | juanma | it's an automake problem |
| 20:05.54 | Guerin | juanma: use symbolic links |
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| 20:06.24 | rahul | Guerin: he's asking for help writing his own package, not with debian |
| 20:06.31 | intruder | i really have the impression that bind is made to be used only if you had at least 80 headaches |
| 20:06.33 | Zta | xingu, I'll try right away. One correction the what I wrote before: When I mount the export on my other client, I _can_ cd into the mountpoint, but I have no further r/w/x access. |
| 20:06.37 | xingu | eduhat: can you paste (ask dpkg) cardctl ident somewhere useful? |
| 20:06.38 | rahul | dunno what channel would be the place for help on automake |
| 20:06.40 | littleknoppy | hello all what is libXm.so.3 and what is its relation to openmotif ?? |
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| 20:06.59 | rahul | littleknoppy: it is openmotif if you have openmotif installed |
| 20:07.03 | peterS | littleknoppy: don't know... last I heard, motif was only at libXm.so.2, but that was years ago |
| 20:07.07 | eduhat | xingu: such as pastebin? |
| 20:07.10 | juanma | Guerin: i sayd in automake, Makefile.am |
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| 20:07.23 | eduhat | !tell eduhat about cardctl ident |
| 20:07.38 | xingu | eduhat: yeah |
| 20:07.40 | littleknoppy | Im trying to calibrate a touch screen and its callin for this file |
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| 20:07.51 | rahul | the screen is? |
| 20:08.03 | eduhat | xingu: what is cardctl ident. dpkg doesnt know what it is |
| 20:08.13 | rahul | !find libXm.so.3 |
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| 20:08.35 | xingu | eduhat: it's going to tell me about the vendor and card id of your card |
| 20:08.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXm.so.3' (1): (/usr/lib/{libXm.so.3|libXm.so.3.0.2}) in non-free/libs/libmotif3. |
| 20:08.44 | littleknoppy | the calibration prog is calling for it and Im using knoppix |
| 20:08.56 | blondie | littleknoppy: this isn't #knopiix |
| 20:08.57 | xingu | peterS: vague recollection that motif was opensourced in the end |
| 20:08.58 | blondie | *knoppix |
| 20:09.01 | juanma | if i put all the headers in "include" would be a little messy |
| 20:09.14 | peterS | xingu: kind of open sourced. as in, source is available now. that's why openmotif is in non-free. |
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| 20:09.19 | rahul | juanma: uh, that's a ridiculous statement |
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| 20:09.26 | eduhat | xingu: how can i do that then? its a senao 2511 cd plus ext2 card with prism 2.5 chipset |
| 20:09.35 | littleknoppy | th reason why i asked here is because i figured that maybe it was some kind of core lib file or somthing |
| 20:09.36 | Zta | nfsvers=3 on the client changes nothing. |
| 20:09.40 | rahul | juanma: if you don't, it'll get messy |
| 20:09.46 | xingu | eduhat: boot linux, insert card, cardctl ident |
| 20:09.52 | juanma | this is not constructive |
| 20:09.54 | rahul | littleknoppy: you have your answer. install it. |
| 20:09.55 | peterS | xingu: fortunately Gtk and Qt came along and made Motif obsolete except for legacy binaries, so we don't have to care much |
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| 20:10.18 | rahul | juanma: the gtk headers get installed to /usr/include. what is your problem? |
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| 20:10.33 | juanma | in subdir gtk+ |
| 20:10.42 | rahul | ... |
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| 20:10.52 | sharperguy | Can anyone point me to a good guide on installing Debian Etch with KDE> |
| 20:10.54 | juanma | not directly to include |
| 20:11.05 | rahul | juanma: and the problem is...? |
| 20:11.05 | xingu | peterS: in qt's case - "eventually". :) |
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| 20:11.08 | juanma | maybe onlyt gtk.h |
| 20:11.16 | Guerin | sharperguy: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:11.17 | peterS | sharperguy: 1. burn etch install cd. 2. insert CD. 3. boot computer, hit Enter about 8 times. 4. 'aptitude install kde'. |
| 20:11.17 | juanma | how to do that with automake |
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| 20:11.31 | rahul | juanma: it's already done. |
| 20:11.31 | Guerin | !htfswk juanma |
| 20:11.31 | dpkg | juanma: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 20:11.56 | xingu | peterS: just reading the openmotif site faq now - yes open no not open enough yes "eventually" planned full free released "in the future" |
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| 20:11.56 | juanma | as a programmer |
| 20:11.57 | Zta | xingu, could it be trouble in /etc/hosts.* ? Not when the server's log says the mount was successful, right? |
| 20:12.02 | rahul | juanma: this is #debian |
| 20:12.07 | Guerin | juanma: this is not a programming channel |
| 20:12.15 | xingu | Zta: exactly so, with successful mount that's the access test done |
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| 20:12.22 | Guerin | juanma: most people in here (me included) can't program worth shit |
| 20:12.24 | peterS | xingu: considering how little most of the world cares about Motif anymore, given the Gtk and Qt alternatives, it's funny that they are still holding back for some future date |
| 20:12.31 | sparr_ | is module-assistant nvidia known broken right now? |
| 20:12.31 | juanma | well i think, user of linux/ programmer |
| 20:12.39 | Guerin | you think wrong |
| 20:12.40 | xingu | Zta: it's bloody bizarre; is the filesystem you're exporting a bind mount or loopback mount or anything odd like that? |
| 20:12.56 | juanma | not 100% sure |
| 20:12.56 | Guerin | it's no more necessary to be a programmer to use linux than it is to be a mechanic to drive a car |
| 20:13.14 | xingu | Zta: wondering what happens if you add "no_subtree_check" to export opts |
| 20:13.16 | shogunx | Guerin, you obviously have not tried to drive my car. |
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| 20:13.20 | rahul | juanma: you're saying that people only use linux to write software for linux? never to use it? come on. |
| 20:13.25 | shogunx | :) |
| 20:13.34 | rahul | shogunx: stop using "car from scratch" :P |
| 20:13.42 | juanma | it's fun to program with such a large collection of tools and libs |
| 20:13.46 | Guerin | hah |
| 20:13.57 | rahul | fun like a wooden spoon up the ass |
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| 20:14.03 | Guerin | shogunx: Mad Max wants his wheels back |
| 20:14.14 | rahul | I avoid autofuckup like the plague |
| 20:14.25 | juanma | but automake ... |
| 20:14.25 | eduhat | xingu: its going.. gimme one sec |
| 20:14.28 | sparr_ | i am trying to "m-a a-i nvidia" with linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 and it complains i dont have kernel source, but i have the recommended linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7 installed and symlinked as /usr/src/linux. could this be related to linux-image-2.6.18-3-* package install producing an error about not being able to find the target for /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-whatever/source ? |
| 20:14.49 | De_Mon | rahul is it well sanded? |
| 20:14.52 | shogunx | Guerin, how did you know i bitchslapped bartertown for his wheels after thunderdome? |
| 20:14.57 | rahul | De_Mon: hell no |
| 20:14.59 | Azar | sparr_: nvidia driver install has changed in etch... no more one-liner |
| 20:14.59 | xingu | De_Mon: what, his ass? |
| 20:15.02 | Zta | xingu, it's a dir on the server's root partition. It is, however, a sata2 hd that's got a kinda weird entry in the /etc/fstab: UUID=e7712ee7-e32b-4eb8-92bb-73a432f28322 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,data=journal 0 1 |
| 20:15.06 | De_Mon | no, the wooden spoon |
| 20:15.07 | rahul | xingu: heh! |
| 20:15.16 | Guerin | shogunx: i am all-knowing and all-seeing |
| 20:15.20 | eduhat | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/303347 |
| 20:15.25 | juanma | no programmers, ok |
| 20:15.25 | rahul | only when I have sex on the beach |
| 20:15.27 | Zta | xingu, but I guess that's pretty normal after all. It's just the first box I own, where I've seen this kind of entry. |
| 20:15.34 | sparr_ | Azar: quite annoying. when, why, and how, not neccessarily in that order? |
| 20:15.40 | czr | Zta, it's not weird |
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| 20:15.48 | xingu | Zta: yeah that's fine, uuid form for mount |
| 20:15.48 | Azar | sparr_: /msg dpkg nvidia etch |
| 20:15.50 | Guerin | shogunx: this is my kitten, whose name is shogun. Bow before your namesake. http://feayn.org/~lewis/dscn1012-800.jpg |
| 20:15.54 | czr | Zta, it means that "please use the device which carries a filesystem with this given UUID" |
| 20:16.05 | shogunx | Guerin, can i get an account on that omnicience machine? |
| 20:16.09 | blondie | I program... but not in C :D |
| 20:16.10 | Azar | sparr_: I am looking myself and thinking how this gonna work |
| 20:16.13 | czr | Zta, so that if the device names/partition numbers switch, it will still work |
| 20:16.24 | Guerin | shogunx: you cannot. |
| 20:16.25 | sparr_ | Azar: the recommended process notwithstanding, wouldnt m-a not working be a bug? |
| 20:16.26 | czr | Zta, like plugging the hd into a differet port/socket/widget. |
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| 20:16.31 | Zta | czr, I had the feeling it ment something like that. Thanks =) |
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| 20:16.36 | sparr_ | and dpkg is is ignoring me |
| 20:16.40 | capiira | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:16.45 | Azar | !nvidia etch |
| 20:16.46 | Zta | czr, yes, it's clever. |
| 20:16.53 | czr | Zta, not all filesystems support UUIDs. but most unixy like do (ext, reiser et al) |
| 20:16.57 | Azar | !etch nvidia |
| 20:16.57 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 20:17.17 | Zta | xingu, I'll try no_subtree_check.. |
| 20:17.23 | czr | Zta, thre is also mechanism called "LABEL=". similar idea but more useful for humans. UUID scales better in large environments. man mount for details. |
| 20:17.23 | capiira | opera is fighting because of update-alternatives priority number |
| 20:17.27 | shogunx | Guerin, 404 on your kitty. |
| 20:17.28 | Azar | so I am steering at those files trying to figure out how they get installed/configured |
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| 20:17.34 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:17.38 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.38 | Guerin | shogunx: http://feayn.org/~lewis/danger/dscn1012-800.jpg |
| 20:17.41 | capiira | firefox = 70 opera = 80 |
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| 20:17.47 | war | specifically with a file > 4gb (4.1GB) |
| 20:17.54 | eduhat | xingu: you got it? |
| 20:17.59 | xaka | me need up SNMP server - which soft more useful? (more good) |
| 20:18.04 | sparr_ | Azar: that is very old information... module-assistant was working well after that |
| 20:18.06 | xingu | eduhat: yeah just checking something |
| 20:18.07 | war | specifically with a file > 4gb (4.1GB) (k3b barfs when you try to burn a file that is 4gb or so) -- nero burns 4.0-4.4gb files no issues :( wish it worked in linux |
| 20:18.08 | Guerin | opera ... gods ... why? |
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| 20:18.20 | capiira | to test my sites |
| 20:18.28 | shogunx | just a little fellow Guerin? |
| 20:18.29 | capiira | to make sure it works everywhere |
| 20:18.30 | sparr_ | Guerin: because its fast, and easy, and fast. |
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| 20:18.42 | Guerin | sparr_: and retarded, and adware, and proprietary |
| 20:18.47 | capiira | yeah that too but i dont want it as default |
| 20:18.55 | Zta | xingu, nothing changes =( |
| 20:18.59 | eduhat | xingu: okay |
| 20:19.01 | sparr_ | proprietary sucks, blah blah. write a better browser yourself. |
| 20:19.02 | xingu | eduhat: if you blacklist orinoco_cs per dpkg's hint then it should "just work" and bind to hostap instead |
| 20:19.10 | Guerin | shogunx: but a few months into his plan of global domination |
| 20:19.18 | eduhat | xingu: how do i do that... i didnt really understand it |
| 20:19.19 | Azar | sparr_: I did not installed Etch yet, I upgraded on my other testing box last year.. and did not need to change a thing.. using still xfree86.. but xorg stuff confuses me |
| 20:19.27 | Guerin | sparr_: no need, I have fireweasel |
| 20:19.27 | Azar | I have no idea how the nvidia will get installed |
| 20:19.32 | capiira | etch works like a charm |
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| 20:19.42 | sparr_ | Guerin: let me know when that gets smooth zooming like Opera has had for... 9 years? |
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| 20:19.52 | xaka | SNMP server under Debian - what you can advise? |
| 20:19.57 | capiira | heh |
| 20:20.01 | Guerin | sparr_: i care not for smooth zooming |
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| 20:20.20 | Guerin | sparr_: i care for not being fucking evil adware which I can't trust |
| 20:20.38 | sparr_ | opera hasnt been adware in a while |
| 20:20.44 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:20.44 | xingu | eduhat: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add orinoco_cs or whatever the module is called; then run update-initramfs |
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| 20:20.59 | xingu | eduhat: nb, this assumes you're using etch or newer. |
| 20:21.32 | xingu | Zta: I think from here the next thing to do is increase debugging verbosity, because something is very, very strange. |
| 20:21.39 | eduhat | xingu: im using sarge |
| 20:21.56 | sparr_ | Azar: once i get my GUI working again im going to start filing bugs about all this |
| 20:21.57 | xingu | eduhat: good luck with that. :) |
| 20:22.01 | sparr_ | broken kernel packages are bad |
| 20:22.03 | shogunx | Guerin, the other shogun at the console fo the s/390:) http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/mainframe.jpg |
| 20:22.04 | eduhat | xingu: so i cant do it afterall? |
| 20:22.13 | sparr_ | broken nvidia packages are worse, for me, but not so bad in general |
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| 20:22.21 | xingu | eduhat: I no longer have a sarge system to give you reliable advice about at the level you need it |
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| 20:22.43 | Azar | sparr_: I still don't have idea how the nvidia drivers will get installed on etch. Just installing the files the dpkg recommends, I doubt will do. |
| 20:23.10 | sparr_ | Azar: im using 'plain' unstable, not etch release |
| 20:23.11 | Dembug | hello there is there a way to modify the kernel scheduler frequency beyond 1000hz or critical + realtime systems in sarge without kernel hacking? |
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| 20:23.23 | Dembug | *for |
| 20:23.23 | Guerin | shogunx: what a profound expression upon your face. |
| 20:23.25 | eduhat | xingu: im runna reboot now |
| 20:23.26 | xingu | if anyone else on channel can walk eduhat through blacklisting orinoco pcmcia/cardbus driver on sarge so that hostap will bind to the card instead, please do |
| 20:23.31 | Azar | so far I upgraded to etch keeping the old xfree86 and nvidia installations with a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 20:23.33 | Dembug | my god shogunx :> |
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| 20:23.47 | eduhat | anyone? |
| 20:23.48 | xingu | he probably needs detailed/ specific instructions |
| 20:23.50 | Dembug | its me azio shogunx :) |
| 20:23.52 | Guerin | Dembug: if you want more than 1khz, you probably need to find a kernel patch which does low-latency or such |
| 20:23.57 | Guerin | patchset, even |
| 20:24.03 | shogunx | Guerin, images have been altered to protect the guilty. |
| 20:24.04 | Dembug | thanks Guerin ill have a look |
| 20:24.09 | Guerin | muhahah |
| 20:24.25 | shogunx | howdy Dembug |
| 20:24.36 | Dembug | howdy :D |
| 20:24.43 | Dembug | Guerin: would you call a lowlatency kernel a preempt kernel? |
| 20:24.47 | sparr_ | broken nvidia drivers is one reason i consider leaving debian. i understand the DFSG, and agree with it in principle, but when it interferes with my ability to use my computer it becomes annoying |
| 20:24.48 | Azar | sparr_: ahh unstable, well you are bound for bugs reportings |
| 20:24.54 | Dembug | Im talking specifically about the scheduler frequency, not the kernel locks themselves |
| 20:24.59 | Guerin | Dembug: i don't know enough about the detail of it. |
| 20:25.05 | Dembug | ahh no probs :D |
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| 20:25.09 | Dembug | just a curiousity of mine |
| 20:25.14 | xingu | eduhat: actually with something that old you may get away with tinkering in etc/pcmcia/ to comment out references to INTERSIL vendor and manfid 0x0156, 0x0002 for the orinoco driver |
| 20:25.15 | ManuP | how to sync a mda with windows mobile with evolution? |
| 20:25.19 | Dembug | 1000hz is starting to feel limiting all of a sudden since the core 2 duo' E's |
| 20:25.22 | sparr_ | Azar: remember to thank me when it Just Works in etch proper :) |
| 20:25.31 | Dembug | specifically if you have 64bit support and some heavy io going on |
| 20:25.32 | Azar | sparr_: if you are in the high graphics design business, well yes you need the proprietary nvidia drivers... |
| 20:25.50 | Guerin | Azar: not really. |
| 20:26.01 | roxy_ | what would be a bash one liner to perform an operation on all file in a directory ? |
| 20:26.05 | Guerin | Azar: if you're in the high graphic design business, you need OSX |
| 20:26.07 | peterrus | Dembug: 166mhz is all you need |
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| 20:26.17 | Azar | sparr_: for a very light user like me and others, or server-only users, nvidia does not matter much |
| 20:26.17 | sparr_ | roxy_: for i in *; do operation $i; done |
| 20:26.20 | Dembug | peterrus |
| 20:26.24 | Dembug | trust me i know that |
| 20:26.26 | sparr_ | Azar: im a gamer, hard core. |
| 20:26.28 | roxy_ | sparr_: thanks |
| 20:26.28 | Dembug | its more about display |
| 20:26.34 | ManuP | how to sync a mda with windows mobile with evolution?, no one an idea? |
| 20:26.35 | Dembug | its a display item :O |
| 20:26.39 | peterrus | Dembug |
| 20:26.40 | peterrus | okay |
| 20:26.41 | Azar | sparr_: ah ok then, get a gaming system |
| 20:26.44 | Guerin | sparr_: so debian is largely a pointless exercise, then |
| 20:26.55 | sparr_ | Azar: i have a gaming system |
| 20:26.58 | Azar | sparr_: you might want to hook up with tarzeau here :) |
| 20:26.58 | Dembug | peterrus: im just improving the theoretical fps in an engine :) |
| 20:27.00 | Guerin | sparr_: for your usage, I mean |
| 20:27.07 | Dembug | so yeah totally for show :D |
| 20:27.14 | Ronin | Guerin: i was about to ask if you were ok :) |
| 20:27.18 | peterrus | Dembug: i see (: haha |
| 20:27.22 | sparr_ | Guerin: not really. i chose debian because it had the most cutting edge packages. the best game libraries, the most recently released games, etc. |
| 20:27.23 | littleknoppy | this screen calibration prog is calling for libXm.so.3, so I find it and now when I run the prog it says this: msgget: File exists |
| 20:27.24 | littleknoppy | Can't create the upstream message queue. Abort. is that a simple problem or a big problem |
| 20:27.25 | Azar | tarzeau! a hard core gamer for you here>> sparr_ |
| 20:27.26 | Dembug | people are so obsessed with it |
| 20:27.32 | Dembug | can give them > 1000 fps easily etc |
| 20:27.45 | Dembug | so it "looks like its going faster" |
| 20:27.49 | Dembug | when really, the difference is such a small delta |
| 20:27.53 | Guerin | sparr_: yeah, because debian has lots of recently released hard-core games? |
| 20:27.55 | Dembug | (i think delta is the right word to use) |
| 20:28.02 | Dembug | the size of the scheduled cycles :D |
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| 20:28.10 | peterrus | I juiced out one more fps by putting me and my pc in the refriggerator, no i can frag even harder |
| 20:28.11 | sparr_ | Guerin: many more than anyone before gentoo |
| 20:28.13 | peterrus | i am so content! |
| 20:28.14 | Dembug | may limit the execution of a waiting engine- ofc in principle :D |
| 20:28.19 | Dembug | lol peterrus |
| 20:28.25 | Dembug | i happen to have phase cooling myself |
| 20:28.28 | tarzeau | Azar: but does he play bub-n-bros.sf.net and nethack? |
| 20:28.31 | peterrus | xD |
| 20:28.38 | Azar | :D |
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| 20:28.59 | sparr_ | Guerin: a new version of Tremulous comes out, i just apt-get upgrade and bam, its there. couldnt do that in redhat or suse (my other options at the time) |
| 20:29.07 | capiira | hmmm is this right ? update-alternatives --remove opera /usr/bin/opera |
| 20:29.17 | Azar | tarzeau, sparr_ using sid and trying to get the stuff working for his games.. |
| 20:29.17 | eduhat | xingu: how would i know if my card is using hostap or orinoco for sure? i just restart after i update initramfs |
| 20:29.45 | sparr_ | i have committed a mortal sin... i used the nvidia installer to get my drivers working |
| 20:29.53 | xingu | eduhat: lsmod | grep 'orinoco|hostap' |
| 20:29.54 | Guerin | sparr_: i naturally presumed you mean proprietary games such as doom3, WoW, etc. |
| 20:30.04 | Azar | bub-n-bros... sounds exciting |
| 20:30.13 | sparr__ | bye sparr_ |
| 20:30.14 | xingu | eduhat: actually with something that old you may get away with tinkering in etc/pcmcia/ to comment out references to INTERSIL vendor and manfid 0x0156, 0x0002 for the orinoco driver |
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| 20:30.26 | eduhat | xingu: nothing came up |
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| 20:30.35 | xingu | eduhat: but as I said it's been *years* since I last had a reference of that age |
| 20:30.52 | sparr__ | Guerin: i also play[ed] WoW (cedega) and Doom 3 (linux native) |
| 20:30.57 | disasm | any easy way to remove all packages except for the absolutely essential ones? |
| 20:31.11 | sparr__ | disasm: apt-get remove * |
| 20:31.12 | sparr__ | :) |
| 20:31.14 | Guerin | disasm: they call it `reinstall' |
| 20:31.17 | xingu | Zta: is the user definitely in the right group on the client system? |
| 20:31.37 | xingu | Zta: I mean definitively, if you run "groups username" there are they also in group=200 |
| 20:31.43 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:31.46 | disasm | Guerin: That's what I was afraid of... |
| 20:31.50 | sparr__ | some of my favorite games cant be packaged for debian, they dont do global installs or multi-user support :( |
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| 20:32.01 | disasm | sparr__: that will remove all packages with names of files in current directory ;-) |
| 20:32.06 | bbelt16ag | is there a way to make my text smaller on the console? ( the alt+f# ones) |
| 20:32.13 | sparr__ | disasm: tell your shell to stop expanding it |
| 20:32.15 | eduhat | xingu: well right now it says that the pcmcia is using hostap_cs,orinoco_cs |
| 20:32.26 | sparr__ | bbelt16ag: svgatextmode |
| 20:32.34 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 20:32.35 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: pass a vga= param to the kernel. 791 is 1024x768x16 |
| 20:32.40 | Guerin | or that |
| 20:32.41 | xingu | eduhat: right; but what's the reference count of those, hostap_cs, and orinoco_cs? |
| 20:32.42 | sparr__ | or that, if it works |
| 20:32.51 | sparr__ | i never got vga= to change res, just font size |
| 20:32.54 | xingu | eduhat: if it's >0 then that's a good clue which is bound to a network device |
| 20:33.23 | Azar | sparr__: there are old games I wish to be able to have on Debian alas, they are not free software so there... maybe only using a dosemu... |
| 20:33.42 | hufman | Hello! I'm trying to set up a secure trivial apt repository, and after adding the repository to the client's sources.list, apt-get update complains of a "Bad header line" and won't get the packages list |
| 20:33.45 | bbelt16ag | how do i do that? |
| 20:33.57 | eduhat | xingu: it is 6 |
| 20:34.22 | xingu | eduhat: not pcmcia, the hostap_cs and orinoco_cs modules. |
| 20:34.23 | Zta | xingu, "groups username" shows "colossus-files". And "grep colossus-files /etc/group" shows "colossus-files:x:200:stephan" on both machines. To begin with, the group-NAME on the server was just "files", but I got paranoid and changed it to "colossus-files" so it matches on both ends. I did after reading "Check group names to make sure that they match as well" on http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html |
| 20:34.31 | Azar | sparr__: I am using few nice games provided by Sarge, but in Sid I am sure there are lots of good ones... |
| 20:34.41 | eduhat | xingu: hostap_cs is 0, hostapt is 1 |
| 20:34.47 | xingu | Zta: *nod* it's a stock id check |
| 20:34.47 | sparr__ | Azar: if you have working 3d accel, try Neverball, its Free and in debian |
| 20:34.48 | bbelt16ag | ok i installed svgatextmode |
| 20:34.50 | eduhat | sorry hostap_cs is 0, hostap is 1 |
| 20:34.57 | bbelt16ag | how do i use it? |
| 20:34.59 | xingu | eduhat: and orinoco_cs? |
| 20:35.22 | Azar | sparr__: something like trackballs? |
| 20:35.52 | eduhat | xingu: orinoco_cs is 1, orinoco is 1, i also see hermes which is 2 |
| 20:35.54 | xingu | Zta: utterly bizarre; and the perms definitely work if you use mode=777 on the dir instead? |
| 20:36.00 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 20:36.03 | xingu | eduhat: in that case you're bound to orinoco_cs |
| 20:36.07 | bbelt16ag | its look diffcult |
| 20:36.12 | bbelt16ag | isnt there an easier way |
| 20:36.18 | eduhat | xingu: is there a way i could remove orinoco_cs? |
| 20:36.29 | Azar | bah neverball in unstable for sparc |
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| 20:37.04 | xingu | eduhat: you don't need to remove it, you just need to blacklist it, either through the modules subsystem, or within the pcmcia layer |
| 20:37.08 | Zta | xingu, yes |
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| 20:38.12 | xerios | people are saying etch has been released via cdimage... |
| 20:38.12 | xerios | is this true |
| 20:38.12 | eduhat | xingu: i did what you told me to do b4. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and i added blacklist orinoco_cs then update-initramfs |
| 20:38.12 | xerios | debian 4.0 that is |
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| 20:38.12 | xingu | eduhat: I don't have a system old enough to reliably walk you through that though, so you'll need someone else to help; the specifics are - you need to blacklist the orinoco_cs module - or - unbind that vendor/manfid pair from cardctl ident in the pcmcia config |
| 20:38.12 | asg | xerios: people say that they have been abducted by aliens. |
| 20:38.13 | Knorrie | xerios: /topic |
| 20:38.41 | xerios | yes i know, but as of 20mins ago there are news articles surfacing and people on efnet talking about the cdimage that was just posted on debian.org |
| 20:38.56 | rahul | someone said my ass is hot |
| 20:39.05 | Azar | xerios: for people who want to test and contribute the bugs |
| 20:39.10 | asg | xerios: when it shows up in debian-announce, we can consider it released. |
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| 20:39.26 | ManuP | can i sync a pda with evolution???? |
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| 20:39.30 | Azar | xerios: you should have read the topic on this channel first |
| 20:39.31 | eduhat | xingu: is it worth staying on sarge? or should i move up? |
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| 20:39.48 | xerios | Azar: i did |
| 20:39.56 | xerios | the fact that its there on some mirrors though |
| 20:39.58 | xingu | eduhat: it's not worth upgrading just for this |
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| 20:40.10 | eduhat | xingu: im saying in general |
| 20:40.17 | Guerin | ManuP: you have our permission |
| 20:40.25 | Azar | eduhat: you would upgrade when you get a serious reason to |
| 20:40.34 | Knorrie | xerios: it's on all mirrors |
| 20:40.41 | Azar | or feeling curious |
| 20:40.46 | xingu | Zta: just out of interest, is it possible you're getting foiled by /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? |
| 20:40.55 | xingu | Zta: on the server end |
| 20:41.02 | Guerin | xingu: that would stop any connection |
| 20:41.19 | xingu | yeah, I would have thought that too, but ... |
| 20:41.28 | xerios | /debian-cd/4.0/ << 4.0 i would assume is final\ |
| 20:41.31 | Guerin | NFS has black voodoo in |
| 20:41.33 | ManuP | i mean ho do i do this? |
| 20:41.45 | Zta | xingu, interesting.. if I remove the "user" option from /etc/fstab on the client, and mount the export as root, I can access it. |
| 20:41.53 | eduhat | debian 4.0 is out? |
| 20:42.03 | ManuP | Guerin, i mean how do i do this? |
| 20:42.08 | xerios | hahahahaha no i got someone |
| 20:42.13 | xingu | Guerin: symptom is - nfs mount works "fine" where perm of the exported dir=777; where it's 770, and client gid=dir gid - dir can be descended but not modified or listed |
| 20:42.14 | Azar | xerios: there are still some 100 bugs to be solved... officially Etch was not been released |
| 20:42.16 | xerios | ok im done for day i got ya :P |
| 20:42.22 | Guerin | i hit a bug where I could mount a share, then cd to the mountpoint, which would contain subdirs which were all empty |
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| 20:42.25 | xingu | Zta: aah! excellent, good find |
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| 20:42.30 | Zta | xingu, even when the exported dir has mode 770. I think this is a little step closer. |
| 20:42.32 | xingu | Zta: so lemme rtfm fstab |
| 20:42.35 | hufman | Is there any way to figure out why my apt repository isn't working? |
| 20:42.35 | Guerin | the right subdirs and the right perms and all - just ... empty |
| 20:42.44 | jelly-home | Hi, is inability of a *-source package to build modules for a Debian kernel considered a serious (ie RC) bug? |
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| 20:43.02 | Azar | hufman: paste the apt sources.list on a paster and show it off |
| 20:43.05 | Guerin | ManuP: ask #evolution on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:43.22 | ManuP | k, thx for tip. |
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| 20:43.47 | xingu | Zta: user= noexec, nosuid, nodev |
| 20:43.59 | xingu | Zta: possible that noexec or nodev is tripping up the nfs export |
| 20:44.10 | xingu | Zta: quite, quite possible; but it's an interesting quirk. |
| 20:44.22 | xingu | Zta: my money would be on nodev |
| 20:45.18 | xingu | Zta: if you were patient, you could rerun test cases with "user" mount opt plus user, exec, dev, suid |
| 20:45.26 | hufman | http://pastebin.ca/303401 has my sources.list file |
| 20:45.35 | xingu | Zta: until you found out which of them was the trigger for your failure mode |
| 20:45.48 | roxy_ | using for i in * do ... done, ${i} becomes the file path. How can I extract the file name without its extention ? (I am trying to mix ${i%fig} and ${i##.*/} without success) |
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| 20:45.54 | Zta | xingu, Should I add these in the fstab or exports? |
| 20:46.14 | xingu | Zta: where did you remove "user"? fstab? |
| 20:46.21 | xingu | Zta: ie, fstab on the nfs-server? |
| 20:46.34 | Zta | xingu, fstab on the client. |
| 20:46.42 | Azar | hufman: unstable? |
| 20:46.53 | xingu | Zta: fstab on client then |
| 20:47.18 | Zta | xingu, I added "user" back, mouted the device as user (still not access), "sudo su" to root, and now I have access. I guess this is normal, since "user" is like allowing "sudo mount" on that particular mountpoint, right? |
| 20:47.20 | Azar | hufman: what Debian did you installed? |
| 20:47.36 | xingu | Zta: yes precisely |
| 20:48.07 | hufman | Azar: debian unstable, yeah |
| 20:48.16 | buu | Anyone have a vauge idea how I can make 'ctrl-c', which is copy in firefox, use the same clipboard buffer as mouse select? |
| 20:48.16 | eduhat | is debain 4.0 out? |
| 20:48.34 | asg | eduhat: no, when it's out, it will be advertised in the /topic |
| 20:48.35 | xingu | Zta: although one interesting quirk is that I believe with "user" in fstab and uid!=0 mount, the user owns the mount in the namespace, not root. |
| 20:48.57 | Azar | hufman: well hell, sorry I have no idea why your apt does not work, I use stable and testing. Try apt-setup to get another source if "that" one does not work |
| 20:48.59 | eduhat | asg: allright. thankyou |
| 20:49.14 | Azar | eduhat: no debian 4.0 Etch is not out |
| 20:49.31 | protocol1 | is there a way to upgrade my gnome 2.14 to gnome 2.16 in Etch? |
| 20:49.46 | sparr__ | i feel so dirty having to use the nvidia installer |
| 20:49.53 | Azar | :) |
| 20:49.56 | Azar | yeah me too |
| 20:50.18 | sparr__ | Azar: neverball is trackballs meets labrynth. same concept, marble rolls around and gets things, except you dont directly control the marble, you tilt the whole level and the marble just rolls downhill |
| 20:50.33 | Azar | sparr__: oh you are using sid, so be guilt-free, everything goes in sid |
| 20:50.51 | xingu | Zta: nb it's more normal in the nfs world to use automount maps rather than user mounts |
| 20:51.06 | Azar | sparr__: I guessed so. Yes I have and play trackballs, did you ever tried lbreak2? |
| 20:51.11 | hufman | Azar: only the custom repository fails, so is there some way to see what's wrong with the repository so that it's causing the "Bad header line"? |
| 20:51.16 | xingu | Zta: the latter is a relatively modern thing, the former is as old as the hills and occasionally stable. |
| 20:51.18 | Zta | xingu, you can help me with automount later ;) |
| 20:51.45 | Azar | hufman: alas I do not have idea, sid is an unknown are for me |
| 20:51.52 | xingu | Zta: how you getting on with the test cases? found the culprit yet? |
| 20:51.55 | hufman | ok |
| 20:51.58 | Zta | xingu, Let's sync. My client's /etc/fstab looks like this: colossus.sputnik.lan:/var/files /home/stephan/mnt/f nfs rw,user,noauto,dev,suid,...exec,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr,timeo=7 0 0 |
| 20:51.58 | fnord23` | unsure |
| 20:52.23 | Zta | xingu, and the servers /etc/exports like this: /var/files *.sputnik.lan(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_all_squash) |
| 20:52.49 | Zta | xingu, accounts are still fine. But mounting doens't give me access to the mountpoint as user. |
| 20:53.00 | xingu | Zta: no_root_squash is probably necessary in your application; no_all_squash shouldn't be |
| 20:53.10 | protocol1 | is there a way to upgrade my gnome 2.14 to gnome 2.16 in Etch? |
| 20:53.27 | xingu | Zta: ok; if you do the mount as root with those client options - can you access as the user? |
| 20:53.36 | Azar | as in sugar-free |
| 20:53.47 | Azar | ew that sounded nasty |
| 20:53.48 | xingu | Azar: you mean like the 945gm and friends? |
| 20:53.50 | Zta | xingu, nope |
| 20:54.03 | Azar | xingu: maybe I don't know them |
| 20:54.28 | xingu | Zta: ok, what about if you lose the fancy client options, just go with rw,rsize,wsize,hard,intr,timeou ? |
| 20:54.33 | Zta | xingu, no_all_squash is default; I just added id explictly to make sure I satisfied the FAQ's Troubleshooting section. |
| 20:54.42 | xingu | Zta: and mount as root and access as user? |
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| 20:55.32 | robin_sz | I think the internet is much better now you don't have to do anyting special to test incoming mail to users on a email system |
| 20:55.52 | Zta | xingu, nope =\ |
| 20:55.56 | blondie | robin_sz: haha |
| 20:56.15 | robin_sz | a while ago you had to telent to the smtpd and send a test message .. these days you just create the account and within seconds a spam arrives |
| 20:56.21 | xingu | Zta: so the only case that works is accessing as root? |
| 20:56.30 | Zta | xingu, correct |
| 20:57.02 | xingu | Zta: what happens if you reexport and set anongid=200 ? |
| 20:57.07 | xingu | Zta: or whatever? |
| 20:57.33 | xingu | Zta: suspicion is that the server end is treating your gid!=0 on client as anon |
| 20:57.52 | xingu | Zta: gotta go eat now, good luck - but this does sound like a uid/gid mapping problem |
| 20:58.11 | xingu | Zta: although I dunno for the life of me why your setup would be *trying* to do uid/gid mapping. |
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| 20:58.31 | Zta | xingu, anongid=200 didn't help |
| 20:58.40 | Zta | xingu, thanks for your time once again. |
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| 21:00.07 | criminy | I'm using apt-build to recompile an application (screen) with different config changes and a patch. Where is the proper place to apply the patch? |
| 21:00.18 | protocol1 | is there a way to upgrade my gnome 2.14 to gnome 2.16 in Etch? |
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| 21:00.35 | criminy | I just put it in debian/ and added the patch command before ./configure in rules, but if this is wrong I'd be curious to know |
| 21:00.39 | Zta | rpcinfo -p server doesn't show any "amd" services as shown in http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html. Is that a problem? |
| 21:01.04 | kombi | someone, turn on the factoid for the missing key.. |
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| 21:03.33 | Ronin | kombi: /topic |
| 21:04.41 | klim_ | hi, will du and df reports the same out usage of on give filesystem? |
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| 21:05.35 | hagabaka | is there a way to let apt-cache search for an exact word, instead of part of a word? |
| 21:05.38 | Thaiger | I'm trying to build a ramdisk using yaird, but no matter what kernel version I give it it says that unknown kernel version. Any ideas? Can I force it to recognize a kernel version? |
| 21:05.56 | klim_ | any ideas why du -sh /home and df /home doesn't report the same size? |
| 21:07.39 | rahul | klim_: because they're measuring different things |
| 21:07.53 | rahul | klim_: du measures the size of the files. df measures the space used on disk. |
| 21:08.07 | blackelf | my buddy sudenly gets grub error 17 |
| 21:08.13 | blackelf | what might be the reason |
| 21:09.07 | Nibbier | usererror most likely |
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| 21:09.27 | blackelf | Nibbier: probably, but exacly? |
| 21:10.00 | Nibbier | the info you gave is very brief |
| 21:10.13 | Nibbier | so usererror is my best guess :D |
| 21:10.46 | Ronin | usually a safe one too Nibbier |
| 21:10.47 | protocol1 | I guess its not a good idea to upgrade to gnome 2.16 |
| 21:11.13 | Nibbier | hehe ronin, most likely :) |
| 21:11.28 | blackelf | with debian install cd |
| 21:11.33 | blackelf | how can I reinstall GRUB? |
| 21:11.36 | blackelf | into dev hda1 |
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| 21:11.48 | monokrome | blackelf: man grub-setup |
| 21:11.49 | blackelf | (mbr=hda boot=hda1 home=hda5) |
| 21:12.00 | blackelf | monokrome: it is available on the debina intall cd ? |
| 21:13.29 | Azar | I guess if the bootloader is broken the debian install CD would have some rescue mode from where you can go and repair grub... that is if you know how to |
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| 21:13.45 | Azar | I can do that for lilo, I have no knowledge of grub quirks |
| 21:14.08 | rahul | grub-install |
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| 21:14.27 | monokrome | ya grub-install |
| 21:14.27 | monokrome | lol |
| 21:14.37 | bbelt16ag | what package has this file ? |
| 21:14.54 | bbelt16ag | rquotad |
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| 21:17.47 | Azar | I am sickn tired of gaming with the mouse. Trackballs with a mouse sucks. |
| 21:17.54 | kombi | Thanks Ronin! Found what I was looking for..;) |
| 21:17.59 | Ronin | kombi: :) |
| 21:18.27 | Azar | which kind of gaming gear could I use with Debian Sarge? |
| 21:19.16 | blondie | Azar: an xbox |
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| 21:20.03 | Ronin | blondie: good answer :) |
| 21:20.04 | roue | hola |
| 21:20.04 | marc\cba | Azar: not an xbox, they are horrible |
| 21:20.14 | roue | can someone recommend a small command line utility to play wav files? thanks. |
| 21:20.17 | marc\cba | Azar: optical mouse + good pad |
| 21:20.24 | intruder | xbox are just old ms programmers pcs |
| 21:20.28 | disasm | roue: mplayer? |
| 21:20.28 | intruder | :P |
| 21:20.37 | roue | mplayer is not little :) |
| 21:20.42 | disasm | roue: true |
| 21:20.50 | roue | I though I could just cat files to /dev/dsp but I just get static. |
| 21:20.51 | intruder | roue: cat test.wav >/dev/dsp |
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| 21:21.25 | intruder | roue: you can also use the play command but catting it to dsp should work |
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| 21:21.26 | rahul | play test.wav |
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| 21:21.47 | rahul | might be set up for a different sampling rate or resolution |
| 21:21.56 | roue | I don't seem to have a 'play' binary installed. |
| 21:22.05 | marc\cba | apt-get |
| 21:22.14 | roue | yup |
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| 21:25.41 | Flimzy | Hmmm |
| 21:25.53 | Flimzy | My boss thinks that commercial software has a better track record at fixing critical bugs quickly than OO software |
| 21:26.23 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good comparison of, say Windows vs. Linux critical bugs? :) |
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| 21:26.47 | Flimzy | Or IE vs. Firefox |
| 21:26.50 | Azar | thanks guys, I was refering to a gear to attach to my debian box, a controller for gaming |
| 21:27.05 | Guerin | Flimzy: it's an unknowable, since bugs in proprietary software are kept secret |
| 21:27.19 | Flimzy | Guerin: some of them, yes. Some are known. |
| 21:27.21 | Azar | yea what Guerin said |
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| 21:27.26 | Flimzy | Not enough for a complete apples-to-apples comparison |
| 21:27.37 | Guerin | right |
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| 21:27.49 | Flimzy | Would you trust a commercial vendor first or OO software for quick bug fixes? |
| 21:28.08 | MsgToThePpl | hi, how do i configmy debian to share my adsl with lan pcs? |
| 21:28.21 | Azar | Flimzy: I do not trus a "vendor" who pushes me on an "eula" agreement |
| 21:28.24 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 21:28.26 | rahul | Flimzy: what if the commercial vendor distributes source? |
| 21:28.44 | Flimzy | Azar: Okay. so why not? :) That's what my boss is asking me. |
| 21:28.51 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: then configure your clients to use the host machine as a gateway |
| 21:29.04 | MsgToThePpl | a router is required or i can share my usb moddem connection ? |
| 21:29.15 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: no router required. |
| 21:29.20 | Azar | Flimzy: because I usually end not agreeing to 80% of the eula terms, and my only choice is to avoid that software |
| 21:29.30 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 21:29.33 | rahul | MsgToThePpl: a router is required. the debian box is that router. |
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| 21:29.47 | MsgToThePpl | er. aptitude install ipmasq says it will remove 87 packs ! |
| 21:29.47 | Guerin | Flimzy: my reasons are outlined quite adequately by RMS and Moglen |
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| 21:30.06 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: do you usually use apt-get? |
| 21:30.06 | Azar | the "you agree that we have the rights to do whatever we want on your box and you don't" is from the start a kick in the ass |
| 21:30.12 | MsgToThePpl | yes |
| 21:30.29 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: then use apt-get for this operation |
| 21:30.42 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: apt-get and aptitude don't play nice together |
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| 21:30.53 | MsgToThePpl | i saw e;) |
| 21:31.01 | MsgToThePpl | apt-get installed while aptitude complained |
| 21:31.05 | Guerin | yeh |
| 21:31.18 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.24 | Guerin | purge aptitude and reinstall it before you want to start using it |
| 21:31.30 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: widhe |
| 21:31.52 | Azar | aptitude is smarter, detects crappy dependencies on your system while apt is kinder and lets you screw |
| 21:32.05 | MsgToThePpl | <Guerin> widhe ? |
| 21:32.10 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 21:32.10 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 21:33.26 | MsgToThePpl | ok ipmasq installed there's other to do ? |
| 21:33.34 | MsgToThePpl | o debian box |
| 21:33.40 | MsgToThePpl | on* |
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| 21:34.19 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: on the client machines, set gateway to the internal IP of the dsl box |
| 21:34.26 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: man interfaces for the how |
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| 21:35.19 | MsgToThePpl | clients are window based btw debian config is just: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 (set an adddreess) and install ipmasq ? no other config need ? |
| 21:35.58 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: no other config needed for debian; `gateway' is a standard concept across windows and debian |
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| 21:36.13 | Guerin | so configure the clients to use the gateway and all is well |
| 21:36.39 | Flimzy | My boss thinks that using Xen is bad because it's open source. But using Linux is okay, because it's just a small kernel that is dependant on the apps that run on top of it. |
| 21:36.39 | MsgToThePpl | (i mean ipmasq ha just the 3-step installation screen where i just pushed enter and it's all ready !) |
| 21:36.41 | MsgToThePpl | ^_^ |
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| 21:37.18 | rahul | MsgToThePpl: er, man 5 interfaces to set the ip address, etc correctly |
| 21:37.49 | disasm | Flimzy: your boss is weird... |
| 21:37.55 | Flimzy | disasm: Yes, I know this :) |
| 21:38.10 | Flimzy | he's also an idiot, who thinks learning Perl is not conducive to development, because perl is just a scripting language. |
| 21:38.19 | Flimzy | Nevermind the fact that the app we develop is 99% written in Perl |
| 21:38.37 | disasm | Flimzy: lol ;-) |
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| 21:39.07 | disasm | Flimzy: mind I ask where you work, so I know to stay as far away as possible? |
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| 21:39.56 | MsgToThePpl | now clients pings my debian but can't surf in internet yet, why ? |
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| 21:40.11 | disasm | MsgToThePpl: are you using NAT? |
| 21:40.13 | Azar | this one looks nice enough: http://holidaysinjune.philips.com/accessory_detail.cfm?pageID=3&productID=6 |
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| 21:40.41 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 21:40.45 | disasm | MsgToThePpl: did you echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in your iptables script setting up the forwarding? |
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| 21:40.55 | Guerin | disasm: ipmasq does it |
| 21:41.10 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: you haven't set the gateway correctly |
| 21:41.10 | disasm | Guerin: ah... never used it |
| 21:41.49 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: i recommend rebooting windows machines after changing network settings |
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| 21:42.41 | MAJKU-MU | when I try to install modem it tells me it cannot find kernel source, but I installed kernel source and kernel headers. And yesterday instalation didnt tell me that.. i dont know what happend |
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| 21:44.33 | MsgToThePpl | So resume: on debian i did 1) ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 - 2) apt-get install ipmasq (hit enter on every screen) 3) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:44.50 | MsgToThePpl | on windows : gateway 192.168.1.1 - dns 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:44.54 | MsgToThePpl | what's missig ? |
| 21:44.55 | landexem | How can I run an application on my X11 Screen 0 from a tty terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1 for example, tty1) |
| 21:45.02 | Thaiger | Can anyone tell me where I'd get linux-image-2.6.15-1-486_2.6.15-8_i386.deb, I need it to install deb on a poweredge 1950, it used to be avaliable at osuosl.org and I checked other mirros, but no luck anymore |
| 21:45.06 | SerajewelKS | MsgToThePpl: is the gateway running a dns server? |
| 21:45.22 | criminy | MsgToThePpl: I /just/ did this. had the same problem. I installed/configured dnsmasq |
| 21:45.22 | landexem | Like if I wanted to run Amarok from the tty1 terminal on my X11 Screen what do I have to preface the "amarok" command with? |
| 21:45.29 | SerajewelKS | MsgToThePpl: if not, dnsmasq is a good DNS proxy |
| 21:45.30 | MsgToThePpl | is required to share connection ? |
| 21:45.32 | SerajewelKS | criminy: *nod* |
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| 21:45.42 | SerajewelKS | MsgToThePpl: yes |
| 21:45.58 | SerajewelKS | MsgToThePpl: or else enter your ISP's DNS servers instead of the gateway's address |
| 21:46.03 | Guerin | criminy: what was the matter with it? |
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| 21:46.18 | criminy | I could ping my box but couldn't connect to the internet. |
| 21:46.31 | criminy | just what MsgToThePpl said. |
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| 21:46.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if you're not running a DNS server on the gateway, using that as the DNS server isn't going to work :) |
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| 21:46.56 | Azar | Thaiger: what distro version are you using? |
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| 21:47.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that's the only problem; no DNS access. which dnsmasq solves nicely |
| 21:47.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the gateway should never be the dns server - the dns server should always be a dns server |
| 21:47.08 | Guerin | well, no |
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| 21:47.14 | Guerin | that's a configuration error |
| 21:47.37 | Guerin | if there happens to be a named running on the gateway, fine, but it'd be stupid to presume that |
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| 21:47.38 | necr00ne | sorry 4 somebody asking this question for the 10000000st time but |
| 21:47.39 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i like dnsmasq just because if i switch ISPs then i don't need to reconfigure every box on the LAN. |
| 21:47.58 | necr00ne | when i finished installing i just gut the console |
| 21:47.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i use public dns servers for that reason, not my ISP's |
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| 21:48.11 | necr00ne | how i get to the desktop now? |
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| 21:48.19 | rahul | Guerin: it's nice to have a local cache |
| 21:48.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: nod, just depends which route you want to take |
| 21:48.24 | Guerin | necr00ne: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 21:48.38 | Guerin | rahul: i don't really like caches |
| 21:48.38 | necr00ne | okay |
| 21:48.40 | necr00ne | how |
| 21:48.44 | necr00ne | :) |
| 21:48.47 | Guerin | i mean, I know all nameds cache |
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| 21:48.53 | rahul | Guerin: the public servers cache the same way yours will |
| 21:48.57 | Guerin | necr00ne: type the above in a root shell |
| 21:48.58 | Azar | necr00ne: exactly how Guerin told you |
| 21:49.04 | Guerin | rahul: yes |
| 21:49.05 | rahul | it'll just be slower to access their cache |
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| 21:49.20 | tarzeau | Azar? |
| 21:49.22 | Guerin | rahul: by fractions of seconds |
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| 21:49.29 | rahul | Guerin: !! |
| 21:49.41 | necr00ne | "aptitude install x-window-system"? |
| 21:49.41 | Azar | tarzeau! :) I want to get a game gear do you use one? |
| 21:49.57 | tarzeau | Azar: nope, i've got a ps1 though, with wipeout 2 and 3! |
| 21:50.02 | necr00ne | kde is useless right? |
| 21:50.05 | tarzeau | Azar: and i'm in a very promising nethack ascension |
| 21:50.11 | Guerin | necr00ne: not entirely |
| 21:50.23 | necr00ne | noone likes it |
| 21:50.24 | Azar | tarzeau: I wonder if this one would work: http://holidaysinjune.philips.com/accessory_detail.cfm?pageID=3&productID=6 |
| 21:50.35 | Guerin | necr00ne: plenty of eejits like it |
| 21:50.39 | Azar | tarzeau: the gui nethack? |
| 21:50.56 | criminy | people like KDE. not my style but don't assume a program is useless. |
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| 21:51.02 | tarzeau | Azar: no, the real one of course |
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| 21:51.19 | Azar | wow what level are you at, tarzeau? |
| 21:51.40 | tarzeau | Azar: Dlvl:8, need some boh and more monsters for the altar |
| 21:51.40 | Azar | I only made it to 8 levels |
| 21:52.02 | Azar | wow same as me |
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| 21:52.32 | MsgToThePpl | ok everything works perfectly thx, there's something to know, ports to map etc or clients can use the internet withouth any restriction ? |
| 21:52.40 | necr00ne | maybe i still got it installed(x-window) how i start it (bootloader configuration)? |
| 21:53.02 | tarzeau | Azar: i've identified very much items already, and i've got 10 uncursed waters |
| 21:53.10 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: now you're getting into more complex territory |
| 21:53.18 | tarzeau | Azar: once i can make them holy, i can make some very useful stuff |
| 21:53.24 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
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| 21:53.33 | Guerin | necr00ne: if you had installed x-w-s xdm would start automatically |
| 21:53.48 | necr00ne | oh thx |
| 21:53.52 | MsgToThePpl | i just need to know: if 4 example one client wnna play an internet game he can ? |
| 21:53.59 | MsgToThePpl | or there some config to do ;) |
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| 21:54.31 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: without knowing precisely what the game requires, it's impossible to say, but that setup will allow data from any connection established by a client |
| 21:54.38 | tarzeau | Azar: can you imagine a nethack sokoban with, DAMN monster stuck on a trap, and i can't get to it because of the damn boulder |
| 21:54.42 | deb_noob | are there any p2p filesharing programs in repos? i can't seem to find gtk-gnutella |
| 21:54.59 | Guerin | deb_noob: aptitude search gnutella |
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| 21:55.09 | deb_noob | in terminal? |
| 21:55.09 | linux2 | i got a quick question |
| 21:55.18 | Guerin | deb_noob: everything happens in terminal |
| 21:55.22 | sparr | three cheers for ubuntu switching from bash to dash. Death to Bashisms! |
| 21:55.24 | linux2 | for some reason when i am not using my screen saver my screen blanks after 5 minutes |
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| 21:55.30 | Guerin | sparr: hahah |
| 21:55.35 | linux2 | although with my screensaver running it doesn't |
| 21:55.36 | MsgToThePpl | practically ipmasq just forwards everything back and forth or has some filter? |
| 21:55.36 | Guerin | sparr: you're such a hater |
| 21:55.37 | deb_noob | Guerin: the only thing that comes up is libgnutella-gift |
| 21:55.40 | linux2 | anyone got any ideas? |
| 21:55.48 | tarzeau | sparr: are you serious? |
| 21:55.49 | Guerin | deb_noob: what branch are you using |
| 21:55.50 | Guerin | ? |
| 21:55.52 | sparr | Guerin: would have been better if debian did it years ago, bashisms would be a thing of the past by now |
| 21:55.52 | deb_noob | etch |
| 21:55.58 | tarzeau | sparr: ubuntu switches to dash? not zsh? |
| 21:55.58 | sparr | tarzeau: very. |
| 21:56.01 | carbon60 | Anyone have good solutions to prevent people from using import IPs on a network? |
| 21:56.03 | tarzeau | sparr: SO LOL |
| 21:56.13 | Guerin | tarzeau: ubuntu ... zsh .... imagine the carnage |
| 21:56.14 | sparr | tarzeau: ubuntu switched to dask a few months ago |
| 21:56.17 | carbon60 | Had a user assign the router's IP to a device and wreak havoc today. |
| 21:56.26 | deb_noob | Guerin: Etch, can you tell me a repo to add for gtk-gnutella |
| 21:56.26 | tarzeau | sparr: dask? |
| 21:56.35 | tarzeau | sparr: at least they didn't pick csh |
| 21:56.41 | sparr | dash |
| 21:56.53 | sparr | erm, csh isnt sh compatible, not an option |
| 21:57.12 | Guerin | deb_noob: no, I can't. A lot of things fall out of testing prior to a release, particularly things which are typically bug-ridden like p2p shite. /msg dpkg simple sid backport, or just use bittorrent |
| 21:57.28 | Guerin | deb_noob: you could try aptitude search p2p, though |
| 21:57.32 | deb_noob | k |
| 21:57.43 | ft | csh got a broken parser, not an option at all. |
| 21:57.47 | Guerin | deb_noob: also giftcurs can do gnutella, and I think that's in there |
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| 21:58.04 | criminy | I might build a gtk-gnutella package |
| 21:58.04 | sparr | tarzeau: is zsh bourne-compatible? |
| 21:58.11 | tarzeau | sparr: it can be, yes |
| 21:58.16 | sparr | tarzeau: and faster than dash? |
| 21:58.24 | tarzeau | sparr: but you don't want it for scripting, but for interactive |
| 21:58.26 | Guerin | what problem was bash intended to fix, anyhow? |
| 21:58.37 | tarzeau | sparr: dunno, does it matter interactively? |
| 21:58.39 | ft | sparr: not completely posix compatible, but bash isn't either... |
| 21:58.57 | sparr | tarzeau: who cares. ubuntu switched for scripts. |
| 21:59.25 | tarzeau | sparr: who cares what ubuntu does? there's this special saying of some wise man: |
| 21:59.35 | deb_noob | Guerin: is giftcurs GUI? |
| 21:59.37 | h3sp4wn | zsh is ksh compatible (when called as ksh) most commercial unix versions include ksh |
| 21:59.39 | tarzeau | "They think we are retarded. They are retarded." |
| 21:59.44 | Guerin | deb_noob: it's ncurses. |
| 21:59.51 | deb_noob | what's that? |
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| 22:00.02 | sparr | tarzeau: erm, i care, which is why i brought it up :) a major distro shipping with dash as /bin/sh means bashisms will start disappearing |
| 22:00.02 | Guerin | deb_noob: run it and see |
| 22:00.07 | sparr | i think they will die within a few years |
| 22:00.12 | h3sp4wn | so writing a ksh script is almost as portable as sh |
| 22:00.19 | Guerin | sparr: why are bashisms bad? |
| 22:00.26 | sparr | Guerin: erm, because they are? |
| 22:00.27 | ft | h3sp4wn: it tries to be ksh compatible if called as ksh, have you actually checked, if the compatibility is complete? |
| 22:00.30 | Guerin | just because they're not all-shell compatible? |
| 22:00.36 | sparr | Guerin: pretty much |
| 22:00.42 | Guerin | ok, that's a fair reason |
| 22:00.54 | criminy | deb_noob: there is a debian/ directory in the gtk-gnutella tarball. |
| 22:01.04 | sparr | Guerin: if i put C++ code in a C source file, thats bad |
| 22:01.04 | Guerin | but the question stands: what problem was bash supposed to solve that it gained such wide adoption? |
| 22:01.09 | Guerin | sparr: sure. |
| 22:01.57 | sparr | wikipedia says... |
| 22:01.58 | sparr | The bash command syntax includes ideas drawn from the Korn shell (ksh) and the C shell (csh), such as command-line editing, command history, the directory stack, the $RANDOM and $PPID variables, and POSIX command substitution syntax: $(...) |
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| 22:02.31 | deb_noob | criminy: so what do I do with it? |
| 22:02.34 | deb_noob | do i have to compile it? |
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| 22:03.05 | criminy | I'm trying debuild -us -uc and then cd ../ and dpkg -i the resulting .deb file |
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| 22:03.33 | sparr | Guerin: so, i assume all those things listed werent in sh |
| 22:03.36 | h3sp4wn | ft: I don't really care - zsh is still the best interactively - never noticed any differences between it and ksh for scripting (probably there are some) |
| 22:03.38 | landexem | WHenever I run a program that uses glx my X11 crashes and it returns me to GDM |
| 22:03.42 | sparr | bash can perform integer calculations without spawning an external process, unlike the Bourne shell. |
| 22:03.47 | landexem | I'm running sid with all the latest packages |
| 22:03.54 | sparr | bash has several I/O redirection syntaxes that the traditional Bourne shell lacks. bash can redirect standard output and standard error at the same time |
| 22:04.05 | sparr | bash 3.0 supports in-process regular expression matching |
| 22:04.06 | criminy | deb_noob: yeah, you'll have to compile it. those commands I typed will do it |
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| 22:04.17 | Guerin | sparr: mm, ok. |
| 22:04.19 | sparr | and im done quoting wikipedia :) |
| 22:04.34 | deb_noob | okay I'm horrible at compiling and always screw it up |
| 22:04.37 | Guerin | i only ever write sh anyway |
| 22:04.45 | criminy | deb_noob: if you want the .deb PM me |
| 22:04.54 | Guerin | but those issues seem to be mostly relevant to interactive use, not script use |
| 22:05.08 | Guerin | so a strict sh-compatible shell for scripts is sane |
| 22:05.58 | criminy | it's 0.96.3 which I assume is the correct version # |
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| 22:06.05 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to set up a keyring authentication for openssh can somone point me to some howto's or good articles on the subject please? |
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| 22:06.17 | Guerin | gnutella/gift/fasttrack/etc are all dead anyway |
| 22:06.28 | deb_noob | criminy: i just messaged you |
| 22:06.35 | Guerin | all the cool kids use bittorrent now |
| 22:06.49 | criminy | x.x, I got no message. |
| 22:07.09 | deb_noob | Guerin: I like searching for individual files and I find those that I do with bittorrent have pops in the songs on purpose |
| 22:07.18 | deb_noob | like 3 songs I downloaded did that |
| 22:07.25 | deb_noob | pops in the beginning |
| 22:07.25 | Guerin | deb_noob: pops? |
| 22:07.33 | Guerin | that's pure chance |
| 22:07.33 | deb_noob | clicks, unwanted noises |
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| 22:07.53 | deb_noob | okay what website might have a nice collection of songs? |
| 22:08.09 | netstar | I think iceweasel should be called freezerbeaver it makes more sense |
| 22:08.14 | Guerin | deb_noob: individual songs are a waste of time on bittorrent |
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| 22:08.36 | necr00ne | okay i did what u ve said |
| 22:08.49 | necr00ne | aptiude and so... |
| 22:09.11 | necr00ne | but my screen just flashs 3times then i am back on console |
| 22:09.41 | Cyis | anyone tried setting up multiple postfix recipient maps? |
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| 22:09.48 | necr00ne | when i press strg alt F7 screen is empty just a cursor left up |
| 22:09.51 | Flimzy | Can dia read or write Visio files? |
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| 22:10.01 | Cyis | and doing so without SQL which is apparently all anyone in #postfix knows how to use |
| 22:10.03 | tarzeau | Flimzy: neither |
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| 22:10.10 | Flimzy | or is it possible to convert? or is there another Linux tool that can read or write visio? |
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| 22:10.30 | abrotman | visio is visio ... afaik .. nothing can read those |
| 22:10.35 | tarzeau | Flimzy: no i don't think so |
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| 22:10.40 | Flimzy | <plead>Is there any way I can keep my boss from forcing me to use Visio?</plead> |
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| 22:11.17 | abrotman | Flimzy: visio does support XML drawings |
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| 22:11.25 | Flimzy | Hmm |
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| 22:11.28 | Flimzy | does dia support XML? |
| 22:11.32 | abrotman | and SVG |
| 22:11.37 | abrotman | Flimzy: dunno .. check dia and see |
| 22:11.41 | Agrajag- | g'day, i've installed lirc and lirc-modules, but i need to be able to load the lirc_gpio module with the card=1 parameter. how do i do this with debian's /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ? |
| 22:11.59 | Flimzy | I'll probably just let them install Visio on XP |
| 22:11.59 | abrotman | Flimzy: migth be a good idae to find a visio program and save it in all formats it has .. then try to edit those |
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| 22:12.02 | Flimzy | but keep using dia |
| 22:12.04 | Flimzy | and sending .pngs to my boss |
| 22:12.22 | tarzeau | Flimzy: you really use dia? |
| 22:12.39 | criminy | deb_noob: did you get my msg? |
| 22:12.40 | necr00ne | how can i readjust my graca option? |
| 22:13.21 | criminy | cause I'm not getting yours |
| 22:13.23 | abrotman | your graca ? |
| 22:13.31 | necr00ne | graphic card |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | that's a new one .. kids are so lazy these days :) |
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| 22:13.53 | Flimzy | tarzeau: I've used it for two diagrams now :) |
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| 22:14.01 | necr00ne | in german its GraKa |
| 22:14.05 | tarzeau | Flimzy: can you show them? |
| 22:14.07 | abrotman | !drxx necr00ne |
| 22:14.07 | dpkg | necr00ne: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:14.25 | heiner | Is it possible to mount an Windows XP NTFS file system and be able to write it? |
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| 22:14.40 | abrotman | dangerously |
| 22:15.02 | heiner | how coud I do it? |
| 22:15.08 | heiner | s/coud/could/ |
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| 22:15.34 | eduhat | hey guys. where can i get a list of links to put in sources.list? |
| 22:16.21 | streuner | eduhat: one official line and one security line is *ENOUGH*! |
| 22:16.32 | HymnToLife | agreed |
| 22:16.33 | heiner | I used "# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt" and can read, but not write the file system |
| 22:16.33 | eduhat | i need them |
| 22:16.56 | HymnToLife | eduhat, http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/ftp/pub/sources.list_etch_sid <= here's mine |
| 22:17.01 | HymnToLife | comment sid out if you want |
| 22:17.05 | Richy-Away | pretty much everybody uses the xserver right? |
| 22:17.06 | criminy | heiner: writing doesn't work well. it might trash the filesystem |
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| 22:17.30 | abrotman | HymnToLife: don't do that |
| 22:17.36 | abrotman | eduhat: apt-setup |
| 22:17.43 | mage | heiner: might need to compile in writing support, it doesn't work too well so they dont want you using it |
| 22:17.52 | abrotman | HymnToLife: he didn't tell you which version of debian |
| 22:18.09 | heiner | criminy: well, is there another convenient way to exchange data between Linux and Windows XP on my dual-boot system? |
| 22:18.22 | criminy | when I windows XP, I just used FAT |
| 22:18.24 | abrotman | a fat32 partition |
| 22:18.27 | criminy | hrm, fat32* |
| 22:18.39 | heiner | it's too late now for that ;-/ |
| 22:18.48 | eduhat | abrotman: can't i just add stuff to sources.list? |
| 22:19.15 | mage | be nice if I could boot linux in vmware when in windows |
| 22:19.20 | criminy | heiner: a thumb drive or an extra hard drive with fat32. I've also trashed my filesystem writing to linux filesystem from windows. |
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| 22:19.33 | HymnToLife | mage, in theory, you can |
| 22:19.37 | Richy-Away | how do i specify pci express in the xerver-xorg config file? PCI:0:0:0 format? |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | eduhat: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 22:20.13 | eduhat | how can i find out which debian im using? such as sarge, etch.. etc.? |
| 22:20.14 | heiner | I used to mount my FAT32 Windows file systems for years without problem. NTFS implementation seems to be not as far as I had guessed... |
| 22:20.16 | mage | I have no idea how to specify a raw device for the conf file though |
| 22:20.35 | eduhat | abrotman: add some links for apt-get to sources.list |
| 22:20.40 | blondie | heiner: blame MS |
| 22:20.41 | abrotman | eduhat: yes .. but to get what ? |
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| 22:21.00 | eduhat | abrotman: so i could add program using apt-get install <program-name> |
| 22:21.09 | abrotman | eduhat: show us your current sources.list |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | !paster |
| 22:21.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:21.42 | eduhat | abrotman: just one line. deb ftp://ftp.debian.org debian unstable main |
| 22:21.46 | criminy | heiner: compat. is a bitch =\... |
| 22:21.52 | abrotman | eduhat: should be fine .. what's wrong with it |
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| 22:22.06 | heiner | agreed. If I only had known that beforehand... |
| 22:22.12 | criminy | http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | !captiventfs |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | i heard captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
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| 22:22.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you listen haydn? |
| 22:22.49 | criminy | heiner: I can't say that it works |
| 22:22.49 | abrotman | i have |
| 22:23.02 | eduhat | abrotman: doesnt work. couldnt stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages (no such file or dir) |
| 22:23.06 | LorenALindenLevy | Ok total weirdness sudoers is not requiring a password and my machine just shutdown twice by itself from gdm...am I in trouble? |
| 22:23.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: when you listen to that kind of music, can you tell if it's mozart, haydn or whatever? |
| 22:23.11 | abrotman | eduhat: does your internet work ? |
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| 22:23.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can usually tell the period .. or used to be able to anyways |
| 22:23.33 | eduhat | abrotman: yeah... that could definetaly be why.. :D |
| 22:23.35 | criminy | ohhh, I've used fuse before, was impressed. |
| 22:23.38 | eduhat | abrotman: sorry about that |
| 22:23.41 | abrotman | eduhat: oky |
| 22:23.41 | staticxsource | i recently installed etch and found that it only installed gnome, and kde wasent installed is this always the case |
| 22:23.42 | criminy | but not with NTFS |
| 22:23.51 | abrotman | staticxsource: it installs what oyu ask for |
| 22:24.07 | abrotman | staticxsource: if you use tasksel .. and choose Desktop and have a certain CD .. it will install KDE |
| 22:24.08 | staticxsource | i selected desktop |
| 22:24.15 | Richy-Away | does anyone know whats wrong with my xserver? http://pastebin.ca/302613 |
| 22:24.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's no easy trick how i can tell what it is? or to tell the period? |
| 22:24.40 | staticxsource | i used the command apt-get install kde so that should install ok should'nt it |
| 22:24.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: music education :) |
| 22:24.52 | abrotman | staticxsource: apt-get install kde kdm xorg |
| 22:25.13 | staticxsource | but it's started |
| 22:25.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: daaaamn. but i can ascend nethack! |
| 22:25.25 | staticxsource | can i cancel it |
| 22:25.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay |
| 22:25.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: that doesn't impress her though :( |
| 22:25.34 | abrotman | staticxsource: just let it finish |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: time for you to buy some CDs and sit down and listen |
| 22:25.47 | staticxsource | whats the difference |
| 22:25.47 | streuner | Richy-Away: check out the (x) logs in /var/log/ |
| 22:25.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: crap |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | staticxsource: just let it finish |
| 22:25.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: or start reading |
| 22:26.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: anytime i guess wrong, she's smirking so LOL |
| 22:26.05 | streuner | Richy-Away: search for "EE" - errors |
| 22:26.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: reading? |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: reading .. about classical music ? |
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| 22:26.56 | Richy-Away | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 22:27.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: know any good texts about it? preferably in the internet_ |
| 22:27.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: google ? |
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| 22:27.25 | streuner | seems you are using the wrong driver |
| 22:27.40 | Richy-Away | driver for what> |
| 22:27.48 | streuner | Richy-Away: paste the entire log in pastebin |
| 22:28.03 | Richy-Away | http://pastebin.ca/302605 |
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| 22:28.41 | tarzeau | E - an uncursed amulet of life saving. |
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| 22:29.35 | necr00ne | okay i didi like uve said |
| 22:29.49 | streuner | Richy-Away: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:29.55 | necr00ne | dpkg-reconfigure bla bla |
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| 22:30.15 | streuner | Richy-Away: and 'lspci -v | grep -i vga'? |
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| 22:30.50 | necr00ne | set my graphic card to 256mb ram and screen to 19" colors to 24 bits but still no desktop |
| 22:31.37 | LorenALindenLevy | seriously sudo is no longer asking me for password anyone heard of this before? |
| 22:31.42 | Richy-Away | that command outputs 'ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries' |
| 22:32.01 | monokrome | argh |
| 22:32.08 | monokrome | debian's installer tis crap. |
| 22:32.21 | Guerin | monokrome: why? |
| 22:32.25 | sobersabre | hi |
| 22:32.35 | sobersabre | what's the bot for release info ? |
| 22:32.49 | Guerin | sobersabre: /msg dpkg releases |
| 22:32.52 | blondie | fardon? |
| 22:32.55 | mage | necr00ne: you can do 1024x768x32bit color with only 1mb ;) |
| 22:32.56 | Richy-Away | streuner, you still helping me? |
| 22:32.57 | stoned | debian graphical installer isn't |
| 22:33.05 | stoned | crap per se, it gives me shit sometimes |
| 22:33.05 | monokrome | Guerin: Every time I set up/use a debian box, the ONLY problems I run into are due to the installer not setting things up right. Usually it takes a good 5 installs before it even does it right. |
| 22:33.06 | staticxsource | is it possible to check if something is already installed with apt |
| 22:33.06 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: did it cache it ? i believe there's a timeout |
| 22:33.13 | stoned | but the text debian installer is badass |
| 22:33.17 | Guerin | sobersabre: debian graphic installer is functionally identical to the curses installer |
| 22:33.18 | abrotman | staticxsource: man dpkg |
| 22:33.20 | stoned | I'd rather use than anyway |
| 22:33.20 | necr00ne | ya man |
| 22:33.27 | necr00ne | jack ass |
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| 22:33.43 | sobersabre | Guerin why do you tell me this ? |
| 22:33.44 | Thms | . |
| 22:33.45 | Guerin | monokrome: like what? |
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| 22:33.56 | monokrome | Guerin: Like it can't set up X. |
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| 22:33.59 | Guerin | sobersabre: your nick starts with the same letter as stoned's. This is your fault. |
| 22:34.09 | monokrome | It pretends to, but ALWAYS runs into problems. |
| 22:34.09 | stoned | necr00ne, huh? |
| 22:34.14 | Guerin | monokrome: seriously, I haven't had it fail on that since about 2003 |
| 22:34.23 | monokrome | Weird. |
| 22:34.24 | necr00ne | :) what huh? |
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| 22:34.36 | sobersabre | Guerin ... usually one needs to press "tab" for that.. so, I didn't press "tab".. :) |
| 22:34.39 | monokrome | I always get problems with A) Fonts and B) Not installing input drivers |
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| 22:34.43 | Guerin | sobersabre: yes. |
| 22:34.55 | necr00ne | i dont know why people love unix so much |
| 22:34.58 | Guerin | monokrome: defaulting to vesa? |
| 22:34.59 | Firestarter- | Can I resize a linux swap partition? |
| 22:35.03 | Richy-Away | monokrome: is that why my xserver isn't working? |
| 22:35.08 | stoned | necr00ne, have you tried asking any? |
| 22:35.12 | Guerin | necr00ne: clearly not. |
| 22:35.13 | heiner | necr00ne: don't give up, it takes some time |
| 22:35.13 | necr00ne | ya |
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| 22:35.24 | monokrome | Guerin: It defaults to some weird driver. mpd or something. I set it to X post-install. |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | Firestarter-: be our guest. |
| 22:35.27 | monokrome | apd |
| 22:35.36 | monokrome | Richy-Away: What is it doing? |
| 22:35.45 | Guerin | monokrome: file bugs |
| 22:35.48 | stoned | Firestarter-, yes |
| 22:35.53 | monokrome | Guerin: rhm? |
| 22:35.55 | monokrome | hrm* |
| 22:36.22 | Firestarter- | Guerin: I have space on the drive just want to resize it |
| 22:36.23 | Richy-Away | mono: http://pastebin.ca/302605 |
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| 22:36.23 | Firestarter- | stoned: thanks |
| 22:36.24 | necr00ne | i said that i adjustet my graphic card to: vesa 256mb ram 24 bits but no desktop just console |
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| 22:36.35 | MessageToThePPl | hi, i notice a little problem lan clients can only surf the web (int. explorer/firefox) but can't use msn and other tools why ? |
| 22:36.43 | stoned | necr00ne, did you startx? |
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| 22:36.53 | monokrome | Richy-Away: Yes. That's the same problem I have usually. |
| 22:36.55 | necr00ne | startx? |
| 22:36.57 | streuner | Richy-Away: and 'lspci -v | grep -i vga'? |
| 22:37.01 | stoned | necr00ne, type startx on the console |
| 22:37.04 | stoned | "startx" |
| 22:37.13 | necr00ne | oh i try and then |
| 22:37.18 | monokrome | Richy-Away: Last time, debian didn't even install the kbd or mouse modules :) |
| 22:37.35 | necr00ne | does it start later automatically? |
| 22:37.54 | sobersabre | how well is macbook pro supported by Debian ? |
| 22:37.55 | stoned | if it gives an error, paste the error log into pastebin. file is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:38.05 | monokrome | Richy-Away: and another install just finished, and same problem :) |
| 22:38.14 | protocol1 | is there a package I can install to get the extra buttons on my laptop working in etch? |
| 22:38.14 | stoned | necr00ne, you like kde or gnome? |
| 22:38.28 | necr00ne | i dont know |
| 22:38.29 | Richy-Away | mono, how do i fixit? |
| 22:38.29 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: I just logged in with ssh and it did not ask for password to become root |
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| 22:38.44 | necr00ne | did not even use one of them |
| 22:38.47 | mike-ekim | to run an application in vmware, how would I go about running it? |
| 22:38.59 | Guerin | monokrome: definitely file bugs |
| 22:39.03 | stoned | necr00ne, you use gnome or kde or some other window manager. Choices are KDM, GDM, XDM |
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| 22:39.19 | mike-ekim | do I need to have a GUI running>? cause im getting gtk warning when I try vmplayer filename.vmx |
| 22:39.23 | monokrome | Guerin: File bugs? |
| 22:39.31 | necr00ne | i use XP at the moment |
| 22:39.35 | Guerin | monokrome: run `reportbug' |
| 22:39.35 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: how long did you wait ? |
| 22:39.39 | monokrome | k. |
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| 22:39.51 | necr00ne | ehm win9x desktop^^ |
| 22:39.54 | Guerin | mike-ekim: ask #mplayer |
| 22:40.00 | Guerin | err, #vmware |
| 22:40.06 | stoned | lol |
| 22:40.09 | stoned | one helluva typo |
| 22:40.15 | Richy-Away | streuner: out is. '05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850 XT (PCIE)] (Primary) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 22:40.29 | mage | anyone here use evms? |
| 22:40.36 | Guerin | !anyone use evms? |
| 22:40.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses evms, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:40.37 | stoned | !anyone |
| 22:40.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:40.45 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: it was right after log in |
| 22:40.52 | necr00ne | i just installed debian and there where no question about desktops |
| 22:40.56 | mage | :p |
| 22:40.58 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: but I dont remember that being the normal behavior |
| 22:41.08 | Guerin | necr00ne: yes, there was an option to install a desktop. |
| 22:41.21 | bonez39 | help ... I assembled a new machine, amd64, for my son, for Christmas...it has a 250 gb SATA drive....upon which XP Pro is installed, with a 5 gig drive at the front, then 170 gigs for XP..and the rest in two partitions for shared fat 32 and 70 or so for linux.....my amd 64 sarge disc...which I burned from www.debian.org.. won't see any of the drives |
| 22:41.34 | necr00ne | omg no i really waited for it but does not appeared |
| 22:41.36 | Guerin | bonez39: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 22:41.41 | streuner | Richy-Away: is the videocard supported? |
| 22:41.46 | mage | does anyone use evms because theres nothing horribly wrong with it |
| 22:41.51 | mage | better? |
| 22:42.11 | Richy-Away | how do i check if the video card is supported? |
| 22:42.17 | monokrome | Guerin: If I use a new install CD, might it fix it? |
| 22:42.24 | Guerin | mage: ask your real question |
| 22:42.25 | monokrome | This CD is about 4 weeks old. |
| 22:42.25 | mage | I usually google model number linux |
| 22:42.30 | Guerin | monokrome: which install cd did you use? |
| 22:42.32 | necr00ne | you heared? |
| 22:42.36 | Guerin | monokrome: no, probably not. |
| 22:42.42 | monokrome | testing |
| 22:42.58 | necr00ne | n there were no question about desktops |
| 22:43.00 | monokrome | maybe i'll install stable |
| 22:43.03 | Richy-Away | (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP) // After this line in the config file lists a VERY large amount of video cards. Yes, mine is listed there |
| 22:43.03 | monokrome | and dist-upgrade |
| 22:43.05 | Guerin | major changes are unlikely to have been made in the past 4 weeks, it's about to stabilise |
| 22:43.14 | Guerin | monokrome: which is why you should file bugs |
| 22:43.25 | Guerin | necr00ne: there were, you just didn't see them. |
| 22:43.26 | monokrome | Guerin: Can't. No email. |
| 22:43.34 | necr00ne | any german here? |
| 22:43.37 | Guerin | monokrome: no gmail? hotmail? badgermail? |
| 22:43.39 | stoned | !de |
| 22:43.39 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:43.49 | necr00ne | i swear! |
| 22:43.53 | monokrome | Richy-Away: What hardware do you have? Maybe this problem is related to ATI, as I have an XPress 200M in this laptop. |
| 22:43.56 | necr00ne | no desktop option |
| 22:44.19 | necr00ne | can i reconfigure it somehow? |
| 22:44.35 | Guerin | necr00ne: what desktop do you want? |
| 22:44.37 | stoned | necr00ne, its called task select. it shows up after base system install. In a window asking if you want general desktop env. or install mysql, or webserver or etc. etc. |
| 22:44.44 | Richy-Away | i have that video card i posted above: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850 XT (PCIE)] |
| 22:44.44 | stoned | necr00ne, you probably missed it |
| 22:44.51 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: ill wait 15 minutesand check again |
| 22:44.54 | necr00ne | i dont give a..... |
| 22:44.56 | necr00ne | :) |
| 22:44.59 | stoned | necr00ne, you can simply do apt-get install kde or apt-get install gnome |
| 22:45.01 | monokrome | Richy-Away: Processor? |
| 22:45.03 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: okay |
| 22:45.04 | necr00ne | some whih works |
| 22:45.11 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: that is the timeout length |
| 22:45.25 | necr00ne | i did not missed it |
| 22:45.26 | mage | Guerin: I wanna know if its stable enough to use, and if a raid5 segment can be grown |
| 22:45.31 | Guerin | necr00ne: aptitude install kde kdm |
| 22:45.31 | necr00ne | i didnt appeared |
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| 22:45.45 | Guerin | mage: ok, there's a question worth asking. |
| 22:45.53 | Guerin | mage: but not in #debian, most likely. |
| 22:45.53 | sobersabre | guys, shall I expect Debian to work smoothly on a mactel ? |
| 22:45.55 | necr00ne | what is kdm? |
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| 22:46.05 | sobersabre | ( macbook pro ) |
| 22:46.09 | Guerin | necr00ne: do you want to know, or do you just want things to work? |
| 22:46.14 | stoned | sobersabre, yes |
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| 22:46.17 | streuner | Richy-Away: i didn't find much at groups.google.com, that means there almost none problems with this videocard or the videocard isn't supported at all. As you said the videocard is supported, so just try to configure X again. |
| 22:46.26 | necr00ne | i want to know |
| 22:46.26 | sobersabre | stoned even iSight works ? |
| 22:46.27 | stoned | sobersabre, sarge from its mid testing phase is till running on my powerbook 3400c |
| 22:46.37 | stoned | sobersabre, I don't know what that is |
| 22:46.49 | necr00ne | both |
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| 22:46.56 | sobersabre | stoned I am talking about the new mac book pro ( based on intel cpu ) |
| 22:46.59 | Guerin | sobersabre: i wouldn't bank on iShite working in *n?x |
| 22:47.01 | stoned | sobersabre, #debian-ppc |
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| 22:47.08 | Richy-Away | monokrome: sorry i was away |
| 22:47.09 | grendal_prime | how do i figure out which device my bluetooth is using? |
| 22:47.12 | Guerin | sobersabre: but if it's a standard commodity part you might be in luck |
| 22:47.13 | Richy-Away | i'm using athlon fx-55 cpu |
| 22:47.18 | sobersabre | stoned but this isn't a ppc |
| 22:47.19 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:47.19 | monokrome | hrm |
| 22:47.24 | stoned | sobersabre, so I read |
| 22:47.25 | streuner | grendal_prime: dmesg? |
| 22:47.35 | monokrome | I'm using an Athlon64 :! |
| 22:47.39 | Guerin | sobersabre: they still care more about mactardware in there |
| 22:47.44 | sobersabre | Guerin: I've seen some reference uvc driver does work with it... |
| 22:47.47 | mage | Guerin: any suggestions? |
| 22:47.50 | stoned | sobersabre, then use a intel kernel and you'll be good to go |
| 22:47.53 | protocol1 | hello |
| 22:47.58 | stoned | sobersabre, its pretty stable on macs |
| 22:48.14 | Richy-Away | this is the full xserver error. (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 22:48.17 | Guerin | mage: mailing list |
| 22:48.21 | stoned | sobersabre, I've never owned a intel based mac |
| 22:48.23 | Richy-Away | could this mean my usb mouse? |
| 22:48.36 | Guerin | Richy-Away: no |
| 22:48.39 | sobersabre | stoned: I think I will own one in 2 weeks from now |
| 22:48.40 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | i heard noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 22:48.41 | stoned | RichiH, video device not found |
| 22:48.45 | stoned | oops |
| 22:48.53 | streuner | Richy-Away: it didn't say anything about the mouse so far... |
| 22:49.09 | protocol1 | is there a package I can install to get the extra buttons on my laptop working in etch? |
| 22:49.18 | stoned | protocol1, I don't know of a package |
| 22:49.18 | grendal_prime | streuner: no, dmesage will not give me the..rfcomm being used |
| 22:49.23 | stoned | protocol1, but yes.. hold on |
| 22:49.24 | Guerin | dpkg, noscreensfound ~= s/free86/org/ |
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| 22:49.37 | protocol1 | ok |
| 22:49.39 | stoned | !tell protocol1 about keytouch |
| 22:49.40 | Richy-Away | i always say no to the frame buffer question |
| 22:49.58 | Richy-Away | i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:50.10 | Richy-Away | should i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 instead? |
| 22:50.17 | streuner | Richy-Away: did you check out BTS as well? |
| 22:50.25 | Guerin | Richy-Away: no, use xorg |
| 22:50.35 | Guerin | Richy-Away: i just edited the factoid to change that |
| 22:50.50 | Richy-Away | k |
| 22:50.53 | sobersabre | ok, good night peoples |
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| 22:51.07 | _Atomo64_ | how can I retrieve the MAC address of a pc? |
| 22:51.10 | stoned | protocol1, let me know how it works out, I've never tried it on a keyaboard |
| 22:51.13 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: ok I did sudo -k and now it requires password again |
| 22:51.19 | stoned | protocol1, er.. laptop* |
| 22:51.22 | protocol1 | ok |
| 22:51.23 | Guerin | _Atomo64_: arp |
| 22:51.42 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: Checking to see if ssh validates again |
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| 22:52.19 | Nippoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.24 | _Atomo64_ | Guerin:thanks |
| 22:52.26 | Richy-Away | i just tried enabling the framebuffer option this time. same error |
| 22:52.34 | blondie | Nippoo: sounds like your disk is broken. |
| 22:52.36 | Richy-Away | because i was disabling it by default |
| 22:52.47 | blondie | Nippoo: replace the disk and restore them from backup |
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| 22:52.59 | LorenALindenLevy | Ok that looks ok noe back to the gdm thing, gdm shutdown my system twice |
| 22:53.14 | Guerin | Richy-Away: there's no use changing anything until you know what the error is |
| 22:53.21 | mage | heh i haven't used gdm since I used redhat |
| 22:53.30 | Guerin | Richy-Away: grep EE /var/log/whateveryourxorglogiscalled.log |
| 22:53.38 | Nippoo | blondie: problem is that my backup *just* isn't new enough. |
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| 22:53.55 | LunarCrisis | Where should I set custom library paths as a user? |
| 22:53.59 | Nippoo | blondie: is there anyway to force recover them? just like chkdisk on Windows. |
| 22:54.00 | Guerin | meh, this coffee is the ming |
| 22:54.23 | Guerin | LunarCrisis: export the LD_LIBRARY_PATH var in .bashrc |
| 22:54.26 | _Atomo64_ | Guerin: :@ ... I forgot... that won't work under a VPS |
| 22:54.31 | LunarCrisis | thanks Guerin |
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| 22:55.25 | Guerin | Nippoo: chkdisk doesn't fix disks, only filesystems |
| 22:55.28 | Richy-Away | Guerin: The output is: '(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER' |
| 22:55.38 | Richy-Away | '(EE) No devices detected' |
| 22:55.45 | Guerin | Richy-Away: no other EE lines? |
| 22:55.56 | Richy-Away | none |
| 22:55.58 | blondie | Nippoo: software can't repair hardware |
| 22:56.01 | daxxar | I want to reinstall my debian, from debian. Could/should I do the following: Create a partition w/ ext3, mount it in a dir, use debootstrap (?) to install a debian, config services and such using UML, then set up grub to the right path and reboot? |
| 22:56.04 | protocol1 | stoned, works awesome |
| 22:56.08 | protocol1 | :) |
| 22:56.16 | Nippoo | blondie: is the hardware the problem, then? |
| 22:56.17 | Guerin | Richy-Away: ok. What video card, and what driver are you trying to use? |
| 22:56.21 | blondie | Nippoo: I would guess so. |
| 22:56.25 | protocol1 | I have control of my volume now |
| 22:56.26 | Nippoo | daxxar: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:56.33 | Richy-Away | well i know my video card, but i don't know how to set the video driver |
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| 22:56.40 | daxxar | Nippoo, I'm sorry? What would that help me? :-P |
| 22:56.40 | mage | is nfs a good method to use for a diskless computer? |
| 22:56.43 | Guerin | Richy-Away: in drxx |
| 22:56.52 | Richy-Away | (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP) // After this line in the config file lists a VERY large amount of video cards. Yes, mine is listed there |
| 22:56.53 | Guerin | mage: google ltsp |
| 22:56.57 | protocol1 | just picked out a model close to my laptop and it works for it |
| 22:57.05 | Guerin | ok, radeon, cool |
| 22:57.09 | daxxar | Nippoo, I want to downgrade from unstable, and I could do well with a complete reinstallation (strip away unneeded services and all that that has bunched up over the years). :-) |
| 22:57.09 | blondie | mage: maybe, that depends |
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| 22:57.34 | Guerin | Richy-Away: the other possibility is that the detection shit is choosing insane refresh/resolution combinations |
| 22:57.35 | stoned | protocol1, you're welcome |
| 22:57.42 | mage | Guerin: I guess I should ask them, but by default they run the apps off the server onto a remote X display |
| 22:57.48 | protocol1 | stoned, even the funtion keys work |
| 22:57.50 | stoned | protocol1, do me a favor. Send your laptop/keyboard config file over to the author of the program |
| 22:58.07 | stoned | with the model of lapto etc. so he can include it in his distribution packages |
| 22:58.08 | protocol1 | function* |
| 22:58.19 | mage | blondie: on? |
| 22:58.26 | protocol1 | cool will do that |
| 22:58.29 | stoned | word |
| 22:58.31 | Richy-Away | Guerin, can i double check or specify my driver for my video manually? |
| 22:58.45 | staticxsource | in superkaramba - i have just clicked "add to desktop", it says that 1 is running, but i cannot see anything added onto the desktop |
| 22:58.53 | stoned | staticxsource, #kde |
| 22:59.02 | stoned | no one in here with a right mind uses karamba |
| 22:59.02 | stoned | :) |
| 22:59.07 | staticxsource | yes |
| 22:59.16 | staticxsource | y |
| 22:59.20 | staticxsource | is it that bad |
| 22:59.32 | staticxsource | as in full of bugs |
| 22:59.34 | stoned | its bloatware, slows you down, crashes.. I've never had any good experiences with it |
| 22:59.46 | staticxsource | i thought i'd give it a go |
| 22:59.51 | Guerin | Richy-Away: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the refresh rates and resolutions, and compare to those detected in hwinfo --monitor |
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| 23:00.01 | stoned | staticxsource, the eyecandy is not really worth it |
| 23:00.17 | Guerin | Richy-Away: you should *never* have to do this with pretty standard commodity hardware, this is retarded |
| 23:00.24 | daxxar | What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 23:00.31 | Guerin | daxxar: c |
| 23:00.32 | mage | color? :D |
| 23:00.34 | stoned | lol |
| 23:01.09 | daxxar | Guerin, and the software? |
| 23:01.23 | Guerin | daxxar: more specifically, you can find the documentation for one by googling `debootstrap' and for the other by googling `cdebootstrap' |
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| 23:02.20 | daxxar | Guerin, ok. Did you see my question? Does my approach seem even relatively sane? |
| 23:02.21 | Richy-Away | there are y's shooting down my monitor, don't know what i did |
| 23:02.32 | daxxar | (not the [c]debootstrap) |
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| 23:02.39 | Richy-Away | hehefixed it |
| 23:02.45 | stoned | the matrix is taking over |
| 23:02.50 | stoned | right now they can only scroll a y |
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| 23:02.54 | stoned | just wait... |
| 23:03.00 | Richy-Away | i typed yes in my linus prompt and i get never ending Y's on my screen :S |
| 23:03.07 | Richy-Away | i had to ctrl-z |
| 23:03.12 | Guerin | daxxar: no need to use UML, just run the services inside a chroot |
| 23:03.23 | Guerin | daxxar: but that's a perfectly sane and reasonable thing to do |
| 23:03.39 | Richy-Away | how do i install hwinfo? |
| 23:03.49 | daxxar | Guerin, but they'll be listening to the same ports as the original system uses, so that'll break unless I use UML (I guess) |
| 23:03.49 | Guerin | Richy-Away: aptitude install hwinfo |
| 23:04.00 | Guerin | daxxar: you'd need to take the box down for a time |
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| 23:05.02 | Richy-Away | when i type hwinfo -- monitor, then some text appears, but then dissapears and takes me back to the prompt |
| 23:05.08 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: If you are running a large amount of uml's its best you compile a kernel with the skas3 patches (linux-patch-skas) |
| 23:05.14 | Richy-Away | i see a few of the text says bios.bin i think |
| 23:05.16 | daxxar | But it'd be nice to test the services before I switch it over, I'm considering going from exim to postfix, e.g. :-) |
| 23:05.24 | biz | is there a tool to remove duplicate entries from a one-word-per-line huge plaintext file? :) |
| 23:05.24 | Richy-Away | and bios4.3.bin and some others |
| 23:05.28 | daxxar | So I can't just copy the config. :-) |
| 23:05.29 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: Improves io performance quite significantly |
| 23:05.34 | protocol1 | stoned, I emailed the author of that program :) |
| 23:05.38 | Guerin | Richy-Away: hwinfo --monitor |less |
| 23:06.11 | protocol1 | with model of my lappy and the settings I used |
| 23:06.11 | daxxar | biz, if you do not care about mantaining the order; sort file|uniq > file2 && mv file2 file |
| 23:06.11 | Guerin | biz: sort | uniq |
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| 23:06.11 | stoned | protocol1, good man |
| 23:06.11 | stoned | :) |
| 23:06.12 | protocol1 | yes indeed |
| 23:06.12 | biz | thanks |
| 23:06.15 | protocol1 | np |
| 23:06.24 | daxxar | h3sp4wn, thanks, but it'll only be one. :-) |
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| 23:06.28 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
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| 23:06.53 | wastrel | ahoy |
| 23:07.02 | ArchitectSinan | i deleted some files from my ext3 partition on my colocated debian server. How can i undelete them ? |
| 23:07.04 | Richy-Away | hwinfo --monitor |less, shows the word (END) and it's highlighted |
| 23:07.04 | stoned | rum? |
| 23:07.27 | stoned | ext3 does not suppoort undeleting |
| 23:07.34 | ArchitectSinan | stoned: :( |
| 23:07.34 | Guerin | Richy-Away: ooh, funky. |
| 23:07.38 | stoned | only ext2 does, and that is afaik |
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| 23:07.42 | stoned | which maybe limited |
| 23:07.44 | mage | try 2>&1 |
| 23:07.47 | ArchitectSinan | stoned: thx |
| 23:07.51 | mc__ | stoned: ext3 is only an extion to ext2 |
| 23:07.51 | Guerin | ext2 undelete is pretty good |
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| 23:07.58 | mc__ | extension* |
| 23:08.11 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: you can use one per service with only the absolute minimum libraries you need for that service - or just build everything static |
| 23:08.16 | Guerin | mc__: it's journalling, which negates the usage of undeleting |
| 23:08.26 | ArchitectSinan | mc__: should i try http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux ? |
| 23:08.35 | Guerin | you can still recover files from ext3 filesystems using photorec and/or testdisk |
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| 23:08.45 | mc__ | ArchitectSinan: dunno |
| 23:08.54 | stoned | how |
| 23:08.54 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: lemme check thx :) |
| 23:08.56 | daxxar | h3sp4wn, oh, nah, I'm not that paranoid. They'll all run on the main host, it's just for the migration. :-) |
| 23:09.08 | stoned | ext3 writes over the block pointers in the file inode with 0's |
| 23:09.16 | Guerin | ArchitectSinan: in the testdisk package. What sorts of files do you want back? |
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| 23:09.21 | Richy-Away | Guerin: what can i try now? |
| 23:09.22 | DamianFinol | Good evening |
| 23:09.22 | stoned | wtf are you on about undeleting ext3 files |
| 23:09.24 | stoned | can't do it |
| 23:09.25 | wastrel | hi |
| 23:09.26 | stoned | afaik |
| 23:09.27 | stoned | :) |
| 23:09.38 | blondie | well |
| 23:09.43 | blondie | there's "can't", and there's "hard" |
| 23:09.48 | stoned | well |
| 23:09.49 | stoned | true |
| 23:09.52 | Guerin | stoned: photorec is filesystem-agnotic. It reads raw data off the disk and looks for known patterns |
| 23:09.57 | stoned | i've never been able to push myself hard enough to do it |
| 23:10.07 | stoned | Guerin, thats handy |
| 23:10.26 | Guerin | stoned: i once recovered 8G of data from a broken ext3 filesystem with photorec |
| 23:10.26 | mage | I guess failing nfs, what else is there for network file access? |
| 23:10.28 | stoned | Guerin, data recovery isn't really undeleting |
| 23:10.30 | Guerin | stoned: all sequentially numbered, but it was there |
| 23:10.38 | Guerin | stoned: no, that's true. |
| 23:10.43 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: i know file headers ;) some php files... all start with "<?" |
| 23:11.17 | Guerin | ArchitectSinan: ah. php files are tricky, because they're text. photorec mostly matches binary stuff, though it can do some text |
| 23:11.22 | Richy-Away | when theres to much info on the screen with hwinfo, how can i get it to pause at each screen? |
| 23:11.29 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: i'm downloading photorec now |
| 23:11.37 | mage | Richy-Away: put 2>&1 before the | |
| 23:11.50 | wastrel | hmm |
| 23:11.56 | DamianFinol | my postfix server was being used to send a gazillion messages, and I stopped the deamon, How do I purge the unsent mails? If I try to bring it up again it will start sending all those messages it couldn't send ? |
| 23:11.56 | Guerin | for instance, a jpg file has meta-data embedded - exif data, captions, etc - but photorec extracts a jpg image and a separate textfile instead of just the original file |
| 23:12.07 | Guerin | Richy-Away: |less |
| 23:12.12 | Guerin | Richy-Away: or |more |
| 23:12.17 | Guerin | but less is more |
| 23:12.20 | Guerin | than more |
| 23:12.28 | Guerin | and most is more than less, which is much more than more |
| 23:12.33 | mage | Richy-Away: put 2>&1 before the | <-- then this |
| 23:12.34 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: i was gueessing that kind of answer. But i can dig if some utility extract some blocks of texts. it's enuf for me |
| 23:12.39 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 23:12.40 | mage | just use most |
| 23:12.48 | Richy-Away | mage, give me the full command |
| 23:13.07 | mage | something dumb 2>&1 | less |
| 23:13.40 | Guerin | DamianFinol: why/how was it? |
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| 23:13.56 | mage | I forgot to go outside today |
| 23:13.59 | mage | bbiab |
| 23:14.01 | snowbird | duckx |
| 23:14.10 | stoned | lol |
| 23:14.21 | Richy-Away | i tried hwinfo --monitor 2>&1 | sort |
| 23:14.24 | Guerin | DamianFinol: postsuper is what you use to clear the queue, etc. You do need to,m though, because if you bring it up, postfix will just keep on dutifully sending them according to tis `never lose anything' ideal |
| 23:14.28 | Richy-Away | dumps me back to the prompt |
| 23:14.45 | Guerin | Richy-Away: sort will make it meaningless |
| 23:14.57 | Nippoo | hm. is there any way to forcibly copy an entire folder to somewhere else? |
| 23:15.03 | Guerin | Richy-Away: ok. What monitor is attached? |
| 23:15.04 | DamianFinol | Guerin, I went to the /var/spool/active and deleted it |
| 23:15.06 | DamianFinol | That stopped it |
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| 23:15.11 | Guerin | DamianFinol: that would. |
| 23:15.21 | Guerin | DamianFinol: why was it doing so? |
| 23:15.27 | Richy-Away | sony sdm-hs73 |
| 23:15.48 | Richy-Away | i also have a vga splitter hooked up but it does nothing more than split the signal to another computer |
| 23:15.50 | wastrel | open relay? |
| 23:16.01 | DamianFinol | Guerin, I had a faulty php |
| 23:16.09 | Richy-Away | only if i flip a hardware switch |
| 23:16.10 | DamianFinol | Guerin, So some spammer took advantage of it |
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| 23:16.32 | Guerin | DamianFinol: aargh |
| 23:16.36 | Guerin | php must die |
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| 23:17.11 | Guerin | Richy-Away: flatscreen, crt, or what? google the refresh ranges and resolutions it supports. |
| 23:17.20 | DamianFinol | Guerin, Agreed. |
| 23:17.40 | Guerin | Richy-Away: the vga splitter shouldn't make any difference, but try without in any case |
| 23:18.31 | Richy-Away | ok i removed the splitter and rebooted. the screen is LCD |
| 23:19.32 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: Photorec knows PHP files (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec) :) |
| 23:19.52 | Richy-Away | i have a question about xserver config utility |
| 23:19.56 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: it started to scan my whole partition |
| 23:20.07 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: it looks like it'll take some hours |
| 23:20.10 | Richy-Away | why does it ask for my ps/2 mouse configuration when even though i'm running a usb mouse |
| 23:20.13 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: anyhow thanks so much |
| 23:20.42 | Guerin | ArchitectSinan: happy days! |
| 23:20.56 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 23:21.12 | Guerin | Richy-Away: imps/2 is a driver which works for usb mice too |
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| 23:22.13 | mango | Hi, I want to be able to access X from another machine using telnet for learning purposes. I run xhost + 192.168.5.10 on machine1 to allow it to use X, telneted to machine2 , export DISPLAY=192.168.5.20:1.0, then I tried to run xclock but I got this message=> http://pastebin.ca/303764 |
| 23:22.28 | snowbird | my box cant see pci usb |
| 23:22.53 | snowbird | is that normal |
| 23:23.20 | Guerin | mm, i should get a mail log stat muncher to show how much of my mail is being rejected by postgrey |
| 23:23.42 | blondie | mango: don't use telnet |
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| 23:23.50 | blondie | use ssh |
| 23:23.52 | blondie | !telnet |
| 23:23.53 | dpkg | from memory, telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 23:24.21 | mango | blondie: I getthesameresult |
| 23:24.30 | blondie | that wasn't the reason for not using telnet |
| 23:24.44 | mango | the same result |
| 23:25.08 | wastrel | mango: ssh -X |
| 23:26.05 | mango | wastrel: thanks |
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| 23:26.13 | mc__ | hello, im trying to code ocaml on debian. I've installed ocaml,and ocaml-libs but the standard libs(Graphics) in my case are still missing. Cant figure out which package to install next |
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| 23:27.14 | Guerin | heh: to tell the truth, it doesn't matter if it's 100% accurate or not. |
| 23:27.14 | Guerin | the point is to give a pretty graph of some meaningless numbers to |
| 23:27.16 | Guerin | management types. they love it :) |
| 23:27.27 | Guerin | from http://taz.net.au/postfix/mrtg/ |
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| 23:29.49 | N0S3 | hello |
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| 23:30.05 | perlmonk | Hi everyone, The other day, I asked for a tool that would be able to detect whenever the network latency is bad and which IPs are reachable at this moment. Someone told me that wireshark would do it.... I still haven't found such an option... maybe the guy abused on weed ? Anyone please ? |
| 23:30.20 | N0S3 | how i can probe device ? i have a monolitic kernel |
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| 23:30.54 | wastrel | hi |
| 23:30.54 | perlmonk | What you mean you have a monolithic kernel ? |
| 23:31.00 | wastrel | no modules |
| 23:31.15 | N0S3 | perlmonk: yes :) |
| 23:31.20 | wastrel | if you don't have module support in the kernel you probe devices by recompiling |
| 23:31.22 | perlmonk | well, afaik linux is monolithic |
| 23:31.37 | perlmonk | and yes, no module = recompiling |
| 23:32.14 | linux2 | does anyone know if there is custom bios for linux |
| 23:32.25 | Richy-Away | i noticed something in my X11/xorg.conf file. in the section called "Device", it says the Identifer is AIT technologies Inc R480 blah blah (my video card) |
| 23:32.26 | perlmonk | there's a linux bios :) |
| 23:32.27 | pickcoder | gah.. this Intel board uses ipmi sensors |
| 23:32.28 | perlmonk | hehe |
| 23:32.28 | mc__ | linux2: linux bios? |
| 23:32.31 | linux2 | i think i have heard about it somewhere and i would love to put it on this laptop. the bios that comes with it sucks |
| 23:32.33 | N0S3 | ok thanks all |
| 23:32.49 | RvGaTe | is there a way to split mp3's into 3min parts? (im looking for a console only program) |
| 23:32.55 | linux2 | mc_: yeah, it adds compatiblity for acpi and stuff to laptops with bad bios |
| 23:32.58 | wastrel | it's not linux bios it's an open source bios |
| 23:33.03 | Richy-Away | and in the section called scree,it says DEVICE ATI (my video card again) |
| 23:33.06 | wastrel | linux doesn't run as a bios afaik |
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| 23:33.12 | itchi | RvGaTe: Try with 'split' |
| 23:33.15 | perlmonk | linux2, hummm, what about beeing real careful about what you're doing on that ? |
| 23:33.17 | linux2 | wastrel: well yeah, thats kinda what i meant |
| 23:33.26 | RvGaTe | itchi, ehmm? |
| 23:33.34 | linux2 | perlmonk: i will backup my current bios incase i need to go back to it for any reason |
| 23:33.42 | wastrel | openbios.info ? |
| 23:33.51 | linux2 | my bios thinks its nice to turn off and pause all hardware when i close the lid |
| 23:33.52 | linux2 | wtf? |
| 23:34.06 | Guerin | linux2: sounds sane to me |
| 23:34.12 | perlmonk | and how will you restore it if for example floppy is not detected anymore ? how will you boot on your restore disk if the bios doesn't run ? |
| 23:34.22 | Guerin | linux2: i set my stinkpad to hibernate when I close the lid |
| 23:34.34 | linux2 | its phoenix bios. which is quite nice on my desktp which is a workstation |
| 23:34.53 | linux2 | Guerin: ok even if im shutting down and its on the halt command and i close my laptop lid |
| 23:35.01 | linux2 | my laptop won't turn off untill i open the lid back up |
| 23:35.05 | Guerin | ok, that's stupid |
| 23:35.08 | linux2 | it actually pauses it |
| 23:35.14 | linux2 | i don't know how but it does |
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| 23:36.26 | linux2 | perlmonk: wouldn't it be possible to just find some modified phoenix bios to put on this system |
| 23:36.38 | capiira | anyone have an idea why opera is still the default browser even after changing in updates-alternatives and gnomes preferred applications tool? i also don't have a .mailcap file |
| 23:36.43 | linux2 | or try to pro laptop bios from phoenix |
| 23:36.53 | pickcoder | linux2: if you flash a bad BIOS you may end up with a door stop |
| 23:37.05 | wastrel | opera is the default browser in what context? |
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| 23:37.11 | wastrel | xchat has its own browser prefs |
| 23:37.13 | linux2 | i don't understand why mfg's decide to remove 90% of all bios features |
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| 23:37.17 | capiira | nah |
| 23:37.18 | Guerin | wastrel: he made it so and then regained his sanity |
| 23:37.22 | capiira | on desktop |
| 23:37.39 | linux2 | pickcoder: well i am aware of the risks. i would like to try it anyways because im sick of this |
| 23:37.39 | capiira | when i click on a drag and droped link from firefox then opera opens |
| 23:37.51 | capiira | the link was droped to the desktop |
| 23:37.54 | linux2 | pickcoder: plus if it doesn't work i will just return it to acer claiming its dead |
| 23:38.00 | pickcoder | linux2: disable power management |
| 23:38.02 | linux2 | its still under warranty |
| 23:38.05 | linux2 | pickcoder: already have |
| 23:38.10 | pickcoder | linux2: as soon as they see you flashed the BIOS it will come back to you |
| 23:38.11 | wastrel | system> preferences > preferred applications (?) |
| 23:38.19 | capiira | i already set this |
| 23:38.23 | capiira | to firefox |
| 23:38.30 | pickcoder | linux2: what make/model |
| 23:38.32 | linux2 | pickcoder: unlikely, i have done the same thing to other mfg's and they never look at the machine i send back to them |
| 23:38.43 | linux2 | pickcoder: its an acer aspire 3680 |
| 23:38.47 | Richy-Away | whats the command to upgrade my x-server to the latest version? |
| 23:38.52 | capiira | and opera still opens on link double click |
| 23:38.54 | Richy-Away | this is sickening |
| 23:39.10 | blondie | Richy-Away: apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg ? |
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| 23:40.09 | Richy-Away | already newest version :( |
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| 23:40.13 | wastrel | !upgrade |
| 23:40.13 | dpkg | it has been said that upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
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| 23:40.53 | capiira | why you dont simply use that update tool |
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| 23:41.31 | itchi | RvGaTe: It do been the trick split foo.mp3 -b 3000000 bar |
| 23:41.41 | capiira | and change from etch to testing in your source.list file |
| 23:41.59 | capiira | if your on testing |
| 23:41.59 | Guerin | using split to chop up mp3s is retarded if you want to play them |
| 23:42.11 | Guerin | use mpgtx or somesuch |
| 23:42.13 | capiira | e |
| 23:42.18 | itchi | Guerin: I work, have you somehtings better as app? |
| 23:42.47 | capiira | shit opera is annoying me |
| 23:43.02 | Guerin | itchi: it works in the sense that very tolerant players can still play them, but once you chop them like that they stop being mp3 files and become random data which HAPPENS to be playable |
| 23:43.31 | capiira | they sure added something to set firefox to second place |
| 23:43.38 | itchi | Guerin: He asked to split, with no more comments, so ... |
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| 23:44.07 | itchi | Guerin: He gone pipe that thought his pipeline i thought, maybe cat it again once done |
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| 23:44.22 | Guerin | maybe so |
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| 23:44.30 | kuzew | Good day all. |
| 23:44.38 | itchi | Guerin: Or floppy :-p ;-) |
| 23:44.49 | itchi | arg, no floppy here on the laptop |
| 23:44.59 | kuzew | Could I go from Debian 3.1 to Debian 4.0 with out anything breaking at this time? |
| 23:45.08 | Guerin | kuzew: maybe. |
| 23:45.27 | linux2 | pickcoder: anything? |
| 23:45.36 | pickcoder | looking |
| 23:45.39 | itchi | kuzew: Look on the wiki, the sarge to etch upgrade, sure you get there some info |
| 23:45.42 | kuzew | Should I go ahead and attempt, or wait abit? |
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| 23:45.47 | kuzew | Oh, ok thanks. |
| 23:45.53 | streuner | kuzew: not at this time, just switch when etch is stable. |
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| 23:46.18 | kuzew | streuner: Ok, thank you. |
| 23:46.42 | pickcoder | kuzew: I wouldn't suggest it right now |
| 23:46.45 | Guerin | kuzew: it mostly depends on what you're prepared to do. The most common breakages tend to be hal/udev/kde/gnome/etc in my experience. You can mitigate a lot of risk by uninstalling anything non-essential before attempting the upgrade. |
| 23:46.50 | pickcoder | unless you are prepared to manually hold packages |
| 23:47.02 | pickcoder | there is a bug regarding dist-upgrade |
| 23:47.16 | pickcoder | the kernel and initrd packages get removed and nothing is replaced |
| 23:47.21 | kuzew | Guerin: Its a very basic system, no Xorg, just a apache server. |
| 23:47.34 | pickcoder | I hit it last week when trying to upgrade our newsletter box |
| 23:47.35 | Guerin | kuzew: run it with -s and see what gives |
| 23:47.45 | Guerin | pickcoder: yow |
| 23:47.55 | pickcoder | Guerin: it's been verified by many users |
| 23:47.58 | streuner | security is enable in etch, IIRC |
| 23:48.02 | linux2 | pickcoder: it seems to be the same as the 5600 series as well |
| 23:48.14 | streuner | s/enable/enabled/ |
| 23:48.14 | pickcoder | I posted a bug report on it |
| 23:48.16 | pickcoder | under apt |
| 23:48.50 | pickcoder | linux2: so disabling hibernation doesn't stop it? |
| 23:49.07 | kuzew | Guerin: I dont think I understand, run apt with -s? |
| 23:49.07 | Richy-Away | itchi, can you help me troubleshoot my xserver config? |
| 23:49.09 | streuner | Guerin: well, barcecue sounds fun, what kind of stuff is that? ;-) |
| 23:49.26 | Guerin | kuzew: aptitude -s dist-upgrade |
| 23:49.29 | linux2 | pickcoder: yeah, if i am shutting down the comp and its on halt and i happen to close the lid it just pauses it. so nothing is really running but the bios at that point. it just pauses the whole system |
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| 23:49.31 | itchi | Richy-Away: us can help here |
| 23:49.34 | streuner | Richy-Away: do you get still 'No screens found'? |
| 23:49.40 | Richy-Away | yes |
| 23:49.44 | kuzew | Guerin: Ah, thanks. |
| 23:49.48 | Guerin | kuzew: you need to change your sources.list first, BE SURE to change them back if you don't intend on going through with it |
| 23:49.52 | Richy-Away | how can i choose a different driver perhaps? |
| 23:49.59 | Guerin | Richy-Away: try with vesa |
| 23:50.02 | pickcoder | kuzew: -s simulates the actions without actually performing them |
| 23:50.07 | linux2 | pickcoder: now it didn't do this in windows but im guessing its cause of some random configuration program that sets that up. and my bios decided on day to reset itself |
| 23:50.08 | Guerin | Richy-Away: but damn, that shit is fucked |
| 23:50.11 | streuner | Guerin: the videocard is well supported. |
| 23:50.14 | kuzew | pickcoder: Oh, cool. |
| 23:50.15 | pickcoder | I wish I had done that first! |
| 23:50.16 | itchi | And down the depth colors to 16, with vesa driver |
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| 23:50.21 | Guerin | streuner: yes, I know. |
| 23:50.25 | streuner | hm |
| 23:50.35 | streuner | What could be wrong then? |
| 23:50.40 | Guerin | Richy-Away: did you google up the resolution/refresh settings? |
| 23:50.57 | Guerin | streuner: my only guess is the scripts have decided on some stupid settings for the display |
| 23:51.07 | streuner | Richy-Away: did you already search at BTS? |
| 23:51.09 | pickcoder | linux2: have you tried booting Linux the "no power" options and see if it still does it? |
| 23:51.21 | pickcoder | the = with the |
| 23:51.32 | Richy-Away | how do i add vesa? |
| 23:51.51 | Guerin | Richy-Away: drxx, choose `vesa' |
| 23:51.53 | Richy-Away | yes, i know for sure that my monitor does 1024x768 x 60hz |
| 23:51.55 | linux2 | pickcoder: humm no i haven't. but i would think that if the system is at the halt command it would have to be the bios |
| 23:52.01 | streuner | at the driver section (config) just choose 'VESA' instead of ATI or such |
| 23:52.05 | Richy-Away | how do i install drxx? |
| 23:52.12 | itchi | Richy-Away: With vesa, you get many lesser performance, but then you probably get X running with some restrictions |
| 23:52.12 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 23:52.12 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 23:52.27 | pickcoder | linux2: no.. Linux controls power management too, including power shutdown |
| 23:52.41 | pickcoder | linux2: the latest BIOS is 3216 |
| 23:52.50 | itchi | Richy-Away: copy the line, paste it below, #comment the above line, change the line below to vesa |
| 23:52.56 | pickcoder | linux2: http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers/notebook/as_3680_5570_5580.html |
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| 23:53.27 | kuzew | Guerin: Well, it outputs Some packages had unmet dependencies. |
| 23:53.29 | linux2 | http://static.tigerdirect.ca/pdf/Acer_Aspire_AS5600_3680_User_Guide.pdf |
| 23:53.46 | Richy-Away | itchi: in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 23:53.52 | itchi | Richy-Away: Yes |
| 23:53.53 | Guerin | kuzew: right. Those are the packages which will give you grief when you upgrade. |
| 23:54.02 | streuner | Guerin: did you see those pics from 'Saddams" execution? |
| 23:54.03 | Richy-Away | which section? |
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| 23:54.11 | Guerin | streuner: nope. |
| 23:54.19 | pickcoder | linux2: see if you have the lastest BIOS.. this issue may have been fixed already |
| 23:54.20 | itchi | Richy-Away: Or use the trich you already used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:54.21 | kuzew | Guerin: Seems like stuff I wouldnt use, but I dont know.. (xfree,libfam0) |
| 23:54.28 | samuel | whats better, libswf player or gnash? |
| 23:54.30 | itchi | s/trich/trick/ |
| 23:54.44 | Richy-Away | which line do you want me to comment in the xorg.conf file? |
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| 23:54.50 | Guerin | kuzew: you can often circumvent such problems by uninstalling them, upgrading, and reinstalling after, if necessary. |
| 23:54.55 | streuner | Guerin: i saw those right at breakfast... ;-) |
| 23:55.00 | linux2 | pickcoder: hopefully the repeat when i close the laptop lid is fixed as well |
| 23:55.07 | itchi | Richy-Away: Search that line start with "Driver" |
| 23:55.08 | linux2 | acpi keeps reporting the lid closing |
| 23:55.13 | linux2 | even after it is open |
| 23:55.15 | kuzew | Guerin: Ok, thank you for your help. |
| 23:55.19 | linux2 | stupid crappy bios |
| 23:55.28 | Guerin | stupid acpi |
| 23:55.40 | Guerin | toshiba developed acpi |
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| 23:56.01 | Guerin | i had a toshiba laptop whose acpi was so busted I had to write a shell script to detect the lid closing |
| 23:56.08 | itchi | Richy-Away: You see there, it's splitted in 'Section "foo"', search for Section "Device" |
| 23:56.13 | Guerin | other than that it was an awesome laptop :) |
| 23:56.26 | Richy-Away | Yes, i found it. the driver is set to "ATI" |
| 23:56.31 | Richy-Away | i mean "ati" |
| 23:56.37 | Guerin | streuner: try them and see. I found gnash mostly unusable, haven't tried the other. |
| 23:56.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:56.49 | samuel | ok |
| 23:56.50 | Guerin | samuel: try them and see. I found gnash mostly unusable, haven't tried the other. |
| 23:56.57 | wireddd | I am setting up a system as a mythtv frontend and using an old nvidia card with s-video out, what resolution should I set it to so that it looks the best? |
| 23:56.59 | itchi | Richy-Away: Maybe compy the line, so you leave the old and you maybe will be better remember later when you come back to the config |
| 23:57.04 | linux2 | pickcoder: how do i install the bios if i don't have windows on this comp |
| 23:57.05 | linux2 | ? |
| 23:57.10 | Guerin | wireddd: what's your output? |
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| 23:57.17 | Guerin | wireddd: your display, I mean |
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| 23:57.35 | wireddd | 4:3 tv |
| 23:57.35 | Richy-Away | Comment out the whole section "Device"? |
| 23:57.54 | itchi | Richy-Away: No |
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| 23:58.01 | wireddd | ntsc |
| 23:58.18 | itchi | Richy-Away: Just the line Driver "foo" in the section Section "Device" |
| 23:58.21 | Guerin | wireddd: 800x600 works for me, that should be plenty big enough for standard tv encodes |
| 23:58.34 | Richy-Away | ok, i will comment that single line? |
| 23:58.38 | Guerin | wireddd: i don't use nvidia out, though |
| 23:58.48 | itchi | Richy-Away: Once you have copied the Driver line, yes |
| 23:58.48 | wireddd | ok |
| 23:59.06 | wireddd | i'll play around with it then |
| 23:59.09 | Richy-Away | why would i copy it? |
| 23:59.18 | itchi | Richy-Away: Make a copy of the line, i'm not sure you have been understand my sad english, |
| 23:59.36 | Richy-Away | yes i understand it, you want me to copy the line and comment them both? |
| 23:59.38 | Guerin | Richy-Away: did you post your xorg.conf on a pastebin? |
| 23:59.47 | Richy-Away | yes |
| 23:59.50 | pickcoder | linux2: boot floppy or USB key |
| 23:59.54 | pickcoder | or CD |
| 23:59.57 | Thms | how can i install debian from a USB key ? |
