| 00:00.05 | linux2 | pickcoder: i think its windows only |
| 00:00.15 | linux2 | pickcoder: that what it looks like |
| 00:00.16 | Richy-Away | Guerin, this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/302613 |
| 00:00.16 | pickcoder | linux2: it's dos |
| 00:00.16 | itchi | Richy-Away: Only one line to comment; So that you have a line with #Driver "i810" and another line just below Driver "i810" |
| 00:00.22 | Guerin | cheers |
| 00:00.27 | Richy-Away | yes ok |
| 00:00.28 | itchi | Richy-Away: Not use my video driver ;-) i use another one as you |
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| 00:01.24 | itchi | Richy-Away: (It's just for you, so that you later can see that you have modified that line) |
| 00:01.30 | pickcoder | actually there's a DOS and Win flash util |
| 00:01.33 | Richy-Away | ok i'm trying the i810 driver now |
| 00:01.46 | itchi | Richy-Away: Man! |
| 00:01.52 | itchi | Richy-Away: Read what i tell :-p |
| 00:01.53 | Richy-Away | same error |
| 00:02.07 | itchi | Richy-Away: I told you to not use the driver i use |
| 00:02.19 | Richy-Away | i copied the line so theres two lines. one thats comment # and the other is not |
| 00:02.25 | Guerin | wtf, i810? he's using a radeon, not an intel |
| 00:02.28 | Richy-Away | then i set the one that is comment to i810 to test |
| 00:02.36 | RvGaTe | how can i rename all the files in a difrectory to a different extension? |
| 00:02.38 | Richy-Away | it was just a test! pls forgive me |
| 00:02.39 | Richy-Away | lol |
| 00:02.41 | Guerin | Richy-Away: set it to `radeon' |
| 00:02.42 | itchi | Yeah, my enlish is not _so_ bad i hope |
| 00:02.45 | pickcoder | linux2: http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm |
| 00:02.48 | Richy-Away | i just set it back to "ati" |
| 00:02.57 | Richy-Away | ok i'll try "radeon" |
| 00:03.08 | itchi | Richy-Away: You wanted to try the vesa driver! |
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| 00:03.15 | Richy-Away | ok |
| 00:03.22 | Richy-Away | just put "vesa" ? |
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| 00:03.32 | Richy-Away | this is so quick i'll try both |
| 00:03.50 | Richy-Away | setting of "radeon" works |
| 00:03.57 | RvGaTe | itchi, the split worked, only i could not give the files an extension |
| 00:03.59 | itchi | Richy-Away: Yup, replace that i810 or ati or whatever to vesa |
| 00:04.01 | Richy-Away | should i continue with this setting or try "vesa" now? |
| 00:04.08 | Guerin | Richy-Away: no, if radeon works, use it |
| 00:04.15 | Guerin | Richy-Away: vesa is a fallback option |
| 00:04.22 | pickcoder | linux2: first, make sure your BIOS is older before you go through the hassle of making a flash disk |
| 00:04.24 | itchi | Richy-Away: You can, but he append some stuff on the end of the file name |
| 00:04.32 | itchi | oeps |
| 00:04.35 | Richy-Away | ok, radeon works. i'll use it |
| 00:04.35 | itchi | RvGaTe: ^ |
| 00:04.42 | Guerin | bah, what package to file the bug against, though? |
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| 00:04.50 | Richy-Away | appears i'm running windows |
| 00:04.51 | Richy-Away | hehe |
| 00:04.58 | itchi | Richy-Away: Coool ;-) |
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| 00:05.16 | RvGaTe | itchi, it should do: foo1.mp3 to foo99.mp3... but instead, it does foo.mp31 to foo.mp399 |
| 00:05.18 | itchi | Richy-Away: (Maybe just avoid the next time to do experimental stuff ;-)) |
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| 00:05.22 | Guerin | that's stupid++ |
| 00:05.30 | Richy-Away | wouldn't let me sign in as root into the xserver so i used my secondary acct |
| 00:05.32 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah :-/ |
| 00:05.36 | RvGaTe | :( |
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| 00:05.42 | itchi | RvGaTe: It's not to listen the splitted stuff? |
| 00:05.52 | RvGaTe | ? |
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| 00:06.00 | itchi | RvGaTe: Like Guerin told about it to ... |
| 00:06.01 | Richy-Away | Guerin: how did you come up with the solution to use "radeon", where did you get it from? |
| 00:06.04 | Guerin | Richy-Away: are you plannign on listening to those split mp3 files, or will you join them again? |
| 00:06.29 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe gona ask it in another way; what gona you do with the splitted mp3's ? |
| 00:06.30 | Guerin | Richy-Away: that's the driver a radeon should normally use. No fucking clue why it chose ati. |
| 00:06.38 | Richy-Away | ahh ok |
| 00:06.41 | RvGaTe | Guerin, plannig on listening them on my mobile phone... its a stream thats recording |
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| 00:06.56 | Guerin | Richy-Away: the `no screens found' error is a generic `something's fucked and it's up to you to figuire out what', monumentally unhelpful. |
| 00:06.58 | RvGaTe | Guerin, still have to verify i can play the splitted files |
| 00:07.04 | necr00ne | okay guys it took along time |
| 00:07.16 | linux2 | pickcoder: im guessing i will need to reboot to figure that out |
| 00:07.17 | itchi | RvGaTe: With ATI you can use 3 differents drivers, that's all i know about it |
| 00:07.20 | RickyRayy | ahh ok, now i know how to modify the driver by editing that line :) thanks |
| 00:07.21 | karsten | Guerin: Isn't Radeon ATI? |
| 00:07.22 | itchi | grrr |
| 00:07.34 | Guerin | RvGaTe: use mpgtx or something to make them into actual proper mp3s, rather than mp3-like raw data |
| 00:07.35 | itchi | I have change the nick autocompletion, that suck now |
| 00:07.35 | RvGaTe | haha, hurray for nickname mixup |
| 00:07.44 | necr00ne | now i can log on on desktop bur it is all grey and looks like an 80s grafic chip |
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| 00:07.50 | Guerin | karsten: yes, but the two drivers apply to different cards. |
| 00:07.59 | karsten | Guerin: Natch... |
| 00:08.02 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah, i tryout some irssi scripts :-) Some are usefull, some not |
| 00:08.03 | Guerin | or so I gather, having never owned an ati card :) |
| 00:08.10 | RickyRayy | my 'start' menu was on the top of my screen and some other menu was on the bottom, i switched it hehe |
| 00:08.19 | itchi | RvGaTe: Give irssi a try, realy nice |
| 00:08.31 | karsten | lspci | grep VGA: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 00:08.37 | RvGaTe | itchi, sorry, xchat all the way |
| 00:08.43 | Guerin | karsten: how is two-double-oh-seven treating you? |
| 00:08.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: I have jump from xchat to irssi :-) |
| 00:09.00 | tonyb2007 | yay irssi |
| 00:09.01 | karsten | RickyRayy: That's standard GNOME these days, sort of MacOSX ish. |
| 00:09.06 | bonez39 | I am running 2.6.8.1-03-NeTraverse-i686-UP-4GB stable... I need to burn a disc....can't get cdrecord, or cdw...or k3b to do it....any suggestions? |
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| 00:09.08 | karsten | Guerin: Babeliciously. |
| 00:09.12 | blondie | I use "ati" with my radeon card c.c |
| 00:09.17 | Guerin | karsten: say no more. |
| 00:09.21 | RvGaTe | Guerin, nice help on the mpg-tx command :P "mpgtx --help" -> "nothing to do" |
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| 00:09.30 | RickyRayy | wow i'm using firefox :) |
| 00:09.37 | tonyb2007 | ICE..WEASEL |
| 00:09.42 | necr00ne | what grafic settings i have to take if my card does not display the desktop just a grey soup |
| 00:09.42 | Guerin | RvGaTe: dunno, use -h maybe? or rtfm? |
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| 00:09.48 | protocol1 | blondie, I think I should use the same too |
| 00:09.58 | Guerin | necr00ne: that means you have to install a window manager and make X run it |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | necr00ne: install kde ? |
| 00:10.10 | protocol1 | I cant get fglrx to use rendering for some reason |
| 00:10.15 | Guerin | necr00ne: which would have happened had you followed my fucking instructions of about three hours ago |
| 00:10.21 | protocol1 | its just ticks me off |
| 00:10.33 | necr00ne | i followed |
| 00:10.42 | Guerin | necr00ne: if you had, it wouldn't be broken |
| 00:10.46 | necr00ne | but the same |
| 00:10.47 | RickyRayy | how do i run irc once i'm in xserver? |
| 00:10.50 | pickcoder | linux2: yes. it should state BIOS version on the boot screen |
| 00:10.53 | necr00ne | what didi u said? |
| 00:10.56 | Guerin | necr00ne: aptitude install kde kdm |
| 00:11.05 | necr00ne | i did it |
| 00:11.10 | karsten | necr00ne: herringbone pattern? Um, X is working. Install a windowmanager / desktop. |
| 00:11.15 | pickcoder | linux2: if there is a splash screen, you may have to hit a key to see it and all the other messages like memory checks |
| 00:11.16 | karsten | necr00ne: You may already be running twm. |
| 00:11.17 | necr00ne | i have nothing but a loginbox |
| 00:11.20 | protocol1 | Im going to work on that machine tonight... |
| 00:11.25 | Guerin | necr00ne: so log in |
| 00:12.08 | Guerin | karsten: nothing to stick to |
| 00:12.17 | necr00ne | sory man but i did and i see nothing but some kind of texture |
| 00:12.48 | linux2 | pickcoder: ok thanks. i shall take a look in a minute or so |
| 00:12.58 | pickcoder | necro: you don't have a desktop manager or window manager installed |
| 00:13.04 | Guerin | necr00ne: then kde isn't installed or set up to run |
| 00:13.09 | itchi | RickyRayy: Try to avoid to send private messages to people ;-) Just ask here ;-) |
| 00:13.14 | necr00ne | okay |
| 00:13.15 | karsten | necr00ne: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/07/msg00146.html |
| 00:13.18 | RickyRayy | ok |
| 00:13.21 | necr00ne | i did istall it |
| 00:13.33 | necr00ne | aptitude install kde ........... |
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| 00:14.04 | RickyRayy | i want to update my xserver firefox to the latest version |
| 00:14.19 | Guerin | necr00ne: drop back to a root shell (alt+ctrl+f1) and run aptitude install kdm |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | you'd talk to #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 00:14.35 | Guerin | your xserver firefox? |
| 00:14.37 | Guerin | huh?? |
| 00:14.56 | karsten | RickyRayy: aptitude will keep you up-to-date with Debian packages. If you want the latest Firefox release, get it from Mozilla.org. |
| 00:15.05 | necr00ne | k master chief |
| 00:15.07 | necr00ne | :) |
| 00:15.09 | necr00ne | c ya |
| 00:15.10 | karsten | RickyRayy: ... and there's no "xserver firefox", not sure what you're trying to say. |
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| 00:15.27 | RickyRayy | i meant the one that appears in the 'start menu' area |
| 00:15.35 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:16.04 | RickyRayy | you must be able to interpet my noobish windows terms |
| 00:16.44 | LunarCrisis | RickyRay, what is an xserver firefox? |
| 00:16.52 | LunarCrisis | you mean a system tray icon? |
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| 00:17.16 | RickyRayy | xserver firefox is wrong. it's just firefox that i accessed from within xserver jeeze |
| 00:17.22 | pickcoder | RickyRayy: if you want the latest mainstream firefox, you will need to do what abrotman said. |
| 00:17.38 | pickcoder | otherwise use aptitude to get any updates from Debian |
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| 00:17.48 | pickcoder | it won't be the latested mainstream version, though |
| 00:17.52 | pickcoder | -d |
| 00:17.56 | pickcoder | er.. -ed |
| 00:18.06 | deb_noob | debian's firefox looks designed for gnome, while kubuntu's looked designed for kde |
| 00:18.08 | RvGaTe | Guerin, i tested it, i can play my splitted files (using split) fine on my mobile... works for me, thx for the tip tho |
| 00:18.34 | RickyRayy | if you guys can tell me what directory on my hda that the firefox is installed on, i think i can just unpack the linux release of firefox overtop of that one |
| 00:18.47 | deb_noob | is there a way to kde-patch firefox? |
| 00:18.56 | deb_noob | fonts, etc |
| 00:18.58 | RickyRayy | if not, i guess i really should go to that mozilla firefox irc server |
| 00:19.33 | deb_noob | RickyRayy: what are you talking about? |
| 00:19.37 | blondie | RickyRayy: you could find that out with `which firefox`... but sounds like a bad idea to me |
| 00:19.41 | OllieD | sup? |
| 00:19.45 | Softly | Hello |
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| 00:20.02 | pickcoder | RickyRayy: the problem with source installs is that updates from Debian will probably screw up your install |
| 00:20.18 | pickcoder | unless you permanently hold firefox |
| 00:20.21 | blondie | RickyRayy: if you want to install Firefox not-from-debian, put it in /usr/local |
| 00:20.24 | karsten | pickcoder: Not if you park source under /usr/local |
| 00:20.34 | pickcoder | karsten: if the binaries end up in the same place they will |
| 00:20.35 | RickyRayy | ahh |
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| 00:20.53 | pickcoder | same for user config file format changes |
| 00:20.53 | blondie | like, you'll have /usr/local/bin/firefox |
| 00:21.10 | karsten | RickyRayy: Debian policy (/msg dpkg policy) dictates that /usr/local is under _local_ control of the administrator. Debian packages _may_ create certain directories there, but will not put files or delete anything. |
| 00:21.10 | RickyRayy | is there one command to update all the apps from debian on your machine to the latest versions? |
| 00:21.21 | blondie | yes |
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| 00:21.29 | blondie | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:21.36 | karsten | blondie: aptitude |
| 00:21.39 | karsten | !tell blondie about aptitude |
| 00:21.40 | blondie | karsten: no |
| 00:21.48 | blondie | I don't like aptitude |
| 00:21.49 | karsten | RickyRayy: aptitude is generally preferred to apt-get. |
| 00:21.58 | Guerin | aptitude is the win |
| 00:21.59 | karsten | blondie: Why n ot? |
| 00:22.04 | Guerin | embrace the future |
| 00:22.06 | Softly | I'll soon find out |
| 00:22.08 | OllieD | that's a secret |
| 00:22.08 | pickcoder | blondie: I don't think you'll have a choice down the road.. |
| 00:22.12 | karsten | Guerin: You misspelled "teh". |
| 00:22.17 | blondie | pickcoder: orly. |
| 00:22.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:22.33 | blondie | karsten: if you just barge ahead and use it you'll fuck your system up |
| 00:22.49 | blondie | as it won't know what you've installed, and remove things it thinks you don't need |
| 00:22.50 | karsten | blondie: Um. How? |
| 00:22.58 | Guerin | blondie: only if you don't take precautions |
| 00:23.04 | RickyRayy | ok, just type aptitude at command prompt to start it? |
| 00:23.05 | karsten | blondie: Um. If you're using aptitude consistently, no such problem. |
| 00:23.13 | pickcoder | I wonder if a Sarge dist-upgrade from aptitude will remove the kernel too |
| 00:23.16 | blondie | you're making assumptions |
| 00:23.21 | Guerin | RickyRayy: just type the command as given above |
| 00:23.23 | deb_noob | how can I apply kde fonts to firefox? |
| 00:23.33 | Guerin | RickyRayy: but with aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 00:23.34 | blondie | Guerin: if you just use it like people round here say to, you won't be taking them |
| 00:23.43 | pickcoder | deb_noob: #kde might know |
| 00:23.52 | Guerin | blondie: unless you always use aptitude, in which case there's no problem |
| 00:23.58 | karsten | blondie: I think you'll find that bug 299009 is in fact _my_ bug, and addresses _just_ that fact. And was appended to the factoid by me. |
| 00:23.59 | blondie | Guerin: you're making ASSumptions |
| 00:24.11 | wastrel | hi |
| 00:24.13 | blondie | I didn't read the factoid |
| 00:24.21 | Guerin | blondie: an assumption needs to be made. Better to presume aptitude than apt-get. |
| 00:24.21 | karsten | blondie: Yes, I noticed. |
| 00:24.27 | RickyRayy | i ran both 'apt-get update' && 'apt-get upgrade', however my firefox hasn't been updated |
| 00:24.44 | pickcoder | RickyRayy: then it's the most recent Debian version of firefox |
| 00:24.45 | blondie | if aptitude was "meant" to be used, it'd be installed by default |
| 00:24.47 | blondie | but no, apt-get is. |
| 00:24.52 | Guerin | RickyRayy: then you're running the foremost version available in that branch of debian. |
| 00:25.02 | RickyRayy | ahh i see |
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| 00:25.05 | karsten | blondie: The bug _also_ notes the relatively trivial fix for the "aptitude just removed a whole mess of packages installed via apt-get". |
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| 00:25.05 | Guerin | blondie: aptitude *is* installed by default in sarge. |
| 00:25.06 | wastrel | is there a backport type of thing? |
| 00:25.10 | karsten | ... problem. |
| 00:25.13 | blondie | Guerin: no it's not |
| 00:25.17 | karsten | !backports |
| 00:25.18 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 00:25.26 | Guerin | blondie: funny, since it's in the installer scripts. |
| 00:25.34 | pickcoder | meh.. bbl |
| 00:25.38 | karsten | blondie: Wrong. Get used to it. |
| 00:25.47 | blondie | whatever, I'm not using it, so tough luck to you |
| 00:25.57 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 00:25.57 | dpkg | whatever is probably the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 00:25.58 | wastrel | i just installed sarge & it has aptitude <3 |
| 00:25.58 | karsten | blondie: Package: aptitude Priority: important |
| 00:26.09 | Zaidin | Anyone ever put linux/unix on a really old computer? |
| 00:26.14 | karsten | blondie: Don't impart your ignorance on the channel. |
| 00:26.16 | karsten | Zaidin: No. |
| 00:26.21 | blondie | Guerin: can't think anything to say, so you have to rely on a bot? haha |
| 00:26.21 | Guerin | Zaidin: define `really old' |
| 00:26.21 | mage | there should be a !botabuse |
| 00:26.22 | karsten | !tell Zaidin about ask |
| 00:26.25 | karsten | !tell Zaidin about polls. |
| 00:26.30 | Guerin | blondie: heh |
| 00:26.36 | Guerin | blondie: whatever. |
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| 00:26.45 | wastrel | evs |
| 00:26.57 | Guerin | Zaidin: lots of people back in the 70s installed unix on really old computers. |
| 00:26.58 | Zaidin | I cant get any info on the computer infront of me |
| 00:27.02 | karsten | Zaidin: What are you trying to install it on. Anything to x386 arch is straightforward, 16 MB+ of RAM. Less RAM and older x86 HW is possible with special kernels. |
| 00:27.07 | karsten | Zaidin: What's it running? |
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| 00:27.12 | Zaidin | It's a Zenith Data System |
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| 00:27.29 | Guerin | Zaidin: eyeometer some numbers and google them |
| 00:27.31 | karsten | Zaidin: What OS? |
| 00:27.34 | blondie | karsten: so why does that factoid tell you how to install it? |
| 00:27.36 | Guerin | any old string of numbers might help |
| 00:27.39 | blondie | surely you'd have it already |
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| 00:27.43 | Zaidin | I've googled all of them |
| 00:27.53 | Zaidin | the model number is zcv-2326-ey |
| 00:27.57 | Zaidin | but that gets me nothing |
| 00:27.59 | Guerin | blondie: upgrades from woody didn't necessarily. |
| 00:28.05 | Zaidin | The rest of the numbers are volts etc. |
| 00:28.05 | karsten | blondie: Because when the factoid was written, aptitude wasn't the bog-standard tool. |
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| 00:28.07 | blondie | Zaidin: how old is that then? |
| 00:28.08 | Zaidin | nothing special |
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| 00:28.14 | abrotman | ZDS hasn't made systems in about 10 years |
| 00:28.18 | karsten | blondie: ... ergo: if you've got apt-get but not aptitude, install aptitude. |
| 00:28.31 | karsten | !factinfo aptitude |
| 00:28.31 | dpkg | aptitude -- last modified at Thu Jun 2 01:10:05 2005 by kelan!~kurt@ip68-101-16-64.nc.hr.cox.net; it has been requested 272 times, last by karsten, 6m 52s ago. |
| 00:28.37 | itchi | When we have the kernel .17 will that not automatically upgrade to .18 ? |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | Zaidin: does it power on? |
| 00:28.48 | mage | !factinfo smartass |
| 00:28.48 | dpkg | smartass -- last modified at Wed Oct 19 17:35:49 2005 by sgeigerbot!n=user@h98.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net; it has been requested 4 times, last by Silent_al at Fri Oct 6 10:38:05 2006. |
| 00:28.49 | Guerin | Zaidin: what sort of controllers does it have? scsi? ide? how give are the drives? any cpu info? etc. |
| 00:28.49 | karsten | ivorw: Now _that_ can break shit. |
| 00:28.55 | Zaidin | yeah it powers on, picked it up at the side of the road. |
| 00:28.56 | Guerin | s/give/big/ |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | they were low end PCs |
| 00:29.03 | Zaidin | It's got MS-Dos 3.1 |
| 00:29.10 | abrotman | Zaidin: the BIOS should tell you what's in it |
| 00:29.15 | Zaidin | 640K of memory |
| 00:29.20 | karsten | Zaidin: Boot it. Is there a BIOS? What's it say? Do your homework. |
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| 00:29.24 | Zaidin | lol the bios dosn't tell me anything |
| 00:29.26 | karsten | s/do your/& own/ |
| 00:29.27 | Guerin | Zaidin: ok, so it's x86 |
| 00:29.27 | mage | cool people crack the case open |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | Zaidin: ask #hardware |
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| 00:29.37 | abrotman | it's probably a 386 .. maybe even 286 |
| 00:29.39 | rickyray_ | so this is how it looks in linux to chat on irc :S |
| 00:29.46 | mage | karsten: is that valid perl syntax? |
| 00:29.48 | Zaidin | karsten: I've tried, I cant find any info on google or anywhere. thats why i was asking here. |
| 00:29.50 | karsten | Zaidin: Go back to the side of your road and ask for your money back. |
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| 00:30.00 | Zaidin | I didn't pay for it |
| 00:30.09 | Guerin | Zaidin: the cpu should have some data on it |
| 00:30.17 | mage | Zaidin: cool people crack the case open and look inside |
| 00:30.18 | karsten | mage: sed |
| 00:30.24 | mage | ah, ic |
| 00:30.27 | Zaidin | It's open right now. |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | Zaidin: ask #hardware |
| 00:30.33 | karsten | Zaidin: Then I guess you don't get your money back. |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | they can help you ID the guts |
| 00:30.38 | Guerin | Zaidin: i know of people having installed debian on 386en with 4MB ram |
| 00:30.57 | karsten | Guerin: You had 4 MB RAM? *Loooxery*! |
| 00:31.04 | mage | complete with package manager? |
| 00:31.04 | blondie | Zaidin: I bet it won't run linux |
| 00:31.14 | Guerin | Zaidin: though it' not necessarily possible nowadays since most stuff is actually 486, not 386 |
| 00:31.38 | mage | oh good, I was wondering about that |
| 00:31.39 | Guerin | karsten: mage: compaq luggable, it was all over teh interwebs for a while. |
| 00:31.40 | karsten | Zaidin: Start reading numbers off of chips, the mobo, etc, and plugging 'em into Google. See what comes out. |
| 00:31.42 | Zaidin | Hmm that was basically my question |
| 00:31.54 | Zaidin | karsten, ok i will |
| 00:31.58 | Guerin | it probably will run linux, just not modern |
| 00:32.05 | Guerin | though you never know |
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| 00:32.23 | blondie | 640K of memory? sure. |
| 00:32.26 | blondie | it'll run it |
| 00:32.28 | karsten | Guerin: Also assumes the HW works, etc. Who knows what might be b0rken. |
| 00:32.44 | Guerin | yesh. |
| 00:32.52 | Ricky-Ray | is there a better irc client than bitchx? |
| 00:32.57 | blondie | yes, irssi |
| 00:33.13 | Guerin | blondie: that would likely be only the basic ram |
| 00:33.16 | itchi | !irssi |
| 00:33.16 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 00:33.18 | itchi | :-) |
| 00:33.19 | Guerin | probably more on the board |
| 00:33.22 | ice63 | irssi is the BEST :) |
| 00:34.03 | Guerin | i forget the terminology. Highmem? |
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| 00:34.04 | Zaidin | I'm not looking for a "new distro" basically anything unix/linux base that might work on this old comp |
| 00:34.09 | Guerin | Zaidin: first identify your hardware. |
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| 00:34.48 | Zaidin | K. |
| 00:34.51 | mage | Zaidin: see if it has 16bit isa too |
| 00:35.02 | mage | root_: /nick not_root |
| 00:35.17 | Zaidin | would a picture help lol |
| 00:35.20 | itchi | root_: Say 'Hello' ;-) |
| 00:35.32 | RickyRayy | for some reason i can't |
| 00:35.34 | itchi | At least, try :-) |
| 00:35.38 | RickyRayy | k |
| 00:35.50 | karsten | Zaidin: Describe the system. Laptop / desktop. Markings/labels? |
| 00:36.17 | itchi | root_: What can you not? |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | ask #hardware already |
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| 00:36.32 | RickyRayy | i can't do anything in irssi hehe |
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| 00:36.49 | itchi | root_: You can not send any message here normally as root user |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | or at all ? |
| 00:36.59 | blondie | Zaidin: yes |
| 00:37.17 | itchi | good :-p |
| 00:37.22 | Zaidin | Ok. I did some research and ZDS was known mainly for early laptops (huge ;S), but this is a desktop. It's got a matching monochrome monitor. There's a sticker on the pack with some info, including the model number pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:37.22 | Zaidin | <dpkg> karsten wants you to know: "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taki |
| 00:37.26 | Zaidin | pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:37.26 | Zaidin | <dpkg> karsten wants you to know: "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taki |
| 00:37.27 | Zaidin | ops |
| 00:37.31 | Zaidin | crap dont kick me |
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| 00:37.48 | rickyray_ | can i type now? |
| 00:37.53 | rickyray_ | i guess so lol |
| 00:37.54 | mage | no |
| 00:38.00 | itchi | rickyray_: Yes :-) |
| 00:38.15 | itchi | rickyray_: Avoid to run stuff as root user ;-) |
| 00:38.17 | rickyray_ | wow this is very strange indeed. (both bitchx and irssi) so different than mIRC |
| 00:38.26 | itchi | rickyray_: Look to /msg dpkg root |
| 00:38.29 | Guerin | happily so |
| 00:38.34 | mmlj4 | mirc? |
| 00:38.43 | rickyray_ | i had to use root to 'apt-get install irssi', needed root for that |
| 00:38.43 | mage | rickyray_: same keyboard commands |
| 00:38.44 | Zaidin | RickyRay, you'll love both of them after you get used to it. |
| 00:38.52 | mmlj4 | grr, wrong channel, no infobot |
| 00:38.55 | mage | alt + 1-9 to switch windows |
| 00:38.56 | blondie | rickyray_: so much better than mirc |
| 00:38.59 | me_here | now mastering arts |
| 00:38.59 | itchi | rickyray_: You want to config a bit your irssi, once it work like you want, you never want another irc client ;-) |
| 00:39.01 | me_here | lol |
| 00:39.07 | rickyray_ | really, better than mirc |
| 00:39.17 | mmlj4 | xchat used to rule, sigh |
| 00:39.19 | rickyray_ | i find it hard to see the other irc users list |
| 00:39.31 | karsten | Zaidin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Data_Systems |
| 00:39.34 | mage | just do /names whenever you care |
| 00:39.37 | Guerin | nah, xchat was always a bit wank |
| 00:39.39 | itchi | rickyray_: Yeah, and you miss the many useful scripts too, you gona see ;-) Try to do a search on your system about irssi |
| 00:39.59 | Guerin | and the eejit dev trying to make the windows version proprietary ... that's just retarded |
| 00:40.08 | mage | heh I got used to mIRC scripting syntax |
| 00:40.10 | rickyray_ | ok so how do i setup this client optionis? |
| 00:40.12 | rickyray_ | options? |
| 00:40.18 | Zaidin | lol i just found a sticker that says "Property of the DND". |
| 00:40.25 | blondie | DNS? |
| 00:40.27 | blondie | erm |
| 00:40.30 | blondie | DND? |
| 00:40.31 | Guerin | Zaidin: the DND is going to come after j00 |
| 00:40.35 | mage | sometimes I fire it up just to do some maths |
| 00:40.36 | Zaidin | Departmen of National Defence |
| 00:40.42 | itchi | rickyray_: You want to see that the manual, preciesely the Quick start or somethings like that, look on the website of you new toy |
| 00:40.50 | Zaidin | lol ghetto cool |
| 00:40.51 | rickyray_ | ok |
| 00:40.51 | karsten | Zaidin: That model number might just possibly be useful. Paste it. |
| 00:40.51 | Guerin | Zaidin: in which country? |
| 00:41.00 | karsten | Guerin: Canada. |
| 00:41.03 | Zaidin | pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:41.03 | Zaidin | <dpkg> karsten wants you to know: "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taki |
| 00:41.04 | Guerin | oh. |
| 00:41.05 | Zaidin | damn |
| 00:41.06 | Zaidin | sorry |
| 00:41.09 | karsten | Zaidin: Zenith did a lot of defense contracting. |
| 00:41.13 | Zaidin | hold on one sec |
| 00:41.19 | karsten | Zaidin: Clear your paste buffer. |
| 00:41.24 | blondie | I came across a ZDS laptop |
| 00:41.26 | Zaidin | yeah my bad |
| 00:41.36 | mage | heh i always have clipboard problems in linux |
| 00:41.42 | Guerin | there might be some classified documents about the RCMP and using beavers as reserve sappers! |
| 00:41.42 | Zaidin | zcv-2326-ey |
| 00:41.57 | karsten | Guerin: Halifax. |
| 00:42.01 | Zaidin | lol. i am in halifax |
| 00:42.11 | karsten | Guerin: ... so I suspect it's all about cods of mass destruction. |
| 00:42.17 | itchi | rickyray_: Usually, when you install some new stuff, you look to what the package contain, like usual, it contain some docs and so, try dpkg -L irssi |
| 00:42.18 | Guerin | pwn |
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| 00:42.37 | Guerin | mm, hlfxns |
| 00:42.48 | Guerin | that makes sense if you know what you're looking for |
| 00:42.52 | Zaidin | it would make sense since half of this city is owned by the DND |
| 00:43.25 | Guerin | Zaidin: better cods of mass destruction than werebeavers with teeth of chomping +2 |
| 00:43.34 | Zaidin | lol |
| 00:43.48 | Zaidin | I know the hard-drive is full. So maybe this will be fun. |
| 00:43.55 | itchi | rickyray_: Like you see, the interested parts are /usr/share/doc/irssi/ And read the stuff |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | it's probably 30MB |
| 00:43.58 | Guerin | Zaidin: ide? |
| 00:44.08 | Zaidin | 46Meg |
| 00:44.09 | blondie | MFM :D |
| 00:44.15 | itchi | rickyray_: I guess, you want the startup-HOWTO.html |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | blondie: mca! |
| 00:44.22 | Guerin | might well be pre-linux |
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| 00:44.39 | karsten | Zaidin: Model #? |
| 00:44.40 | peterS | yeah modern kernels can't do MFM drives anymore, I believe |
| 00:44.44 | jayeola | does anone know why the tab completion of hostnames wont tab complete? ip number<space><hostname> is /etc/hosts |
| 00:44.45 | karsten | Oh. |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | !elks |
| 00:44.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
| 00:44.54 | Zaidin | zcv-2326-ey |
| 00:44.58 | Zaidin | I've googled the hell out of it |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | jayeola: you didn't enable bash completion |
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| 00:45.10 | Styles | hello |
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| 00:45.18 | jayeola | ah - ty! |
| 00:45.19 | Guerin | crikey |
| 00:45.28 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:45.32 | Styles | is anyone here good at regexp i'd like a regexp that changes for example "hi" to "hello" in all files in all subdirectories |
| 00:45.40 | jayeola | ^^ what's he talking aboot? |
| 00:45.47 | RickyRayy | this O/S (linux), looks pretty 'heavy'! |
| 00:45.55 | karsten | Zaidin: zcv comes up as a battery. |
| 00:46.28 | blondie | I used to have DOS 3.1 |
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| 00:46.31 | Guerin | Styles: find /foo |xargs sed -i '/s/hi/hello/g' # untested |
| 00:46.47 | karsten | Zaidin: Odds are it's 286: http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Klv&q=zcv-2326&btnG=Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wg |
| 00:46.50 | abrotman | he could ask #hardware |
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| 00:47.02 | mage | mmm hardware |
| 00:47.24 | itchi | RickyRayy: Wich desktop environment use you? |
| 00:47.29 | atermbum | kde |
| 00:47.32 | karsten | Zaidin: ... which I found out by googling model in Google Groups. |
| 00:47.45 | RickyRayy | i think xserver? |
| 00:47.47 | karsten | itchi: desktop environments use you in Russia. |
| 00:48.04 | karsten | itchi: In North Korea, only _old_ desktop environments use you. |
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| 00:48.15 | itchi | karsten: Hehe |
| 00:48.17 | Guerin | RickyRayy: are the window bars and stuff brown, or blue-tinted? |
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| 00:48.30 | itchi | Guerin: Heh, nice question ;-) |
| 00:48.47 | Guerin | itchi: to my mother, gaim is `the little yellow man' |
| 00:48.49 | blondie | is that "are you running ubuntu or windows xp"? |
| 00:48.51 | blondie | :P |
| 00:48.58 | RickyRayy | they are grey |
| 00:48.58 | itchi | haha |
| 00:49.03 | Guerin | RickyRayy: blue-grey or brown-grey? |
| 00:49.08 | peterS | blondie: xp or vista? |
| 00:49.09 | Guerin | ok, simpler yet |
| 00:49.20 | Guerin | at bottom left, is there a foot, or a K? |
| 00:49.22 | blondie | peterS: vista is all turquoise |
| 00:49.25 | Styles | Guerin, rockey@scully:~/tmp/fet-4.2.6$ find . |xargs sed -i '/s/fet/csrc/g' # untested |
| 00:49.25 | Styles | sed: -e expression #1, char 4: unknown command: `f' |
| 00:49.28 | RickyRayy | a FOOT! |
| 00:49.35 | czr | Guerin, "there is no bottom to the left" |
| 00:49.47 | itchi | RickyRayy: Yeah, that not tell the color it have default ;-) |
| 00:49.48 | czr | "and certainly no foot in bottom" |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | that reminds me .. i watched the TMNT trailer this AM .. wow .. bad :) |
| 00:49.54 | Guerin | Styles: you mistyped the command, go back and check. |
| 00:49.58 | Guerin | czr: hah |
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| 00:50.04 | Guerin | RickyRayy: you're using gnome. |
| 00:50.10 | czr | Guerin, feeling tad tired, sry :-) |
| 00:50.29 | blondie | the gnome foot is at the top left |
| 00:50.40 | RickyRayy | yes top left |
| 00:50.41 | Guerin | blondie: mm, true. |
| 00:50.52 | RickyRayy | i moved it back up there cause i thought it was best put there |
| 00:50.56 | Guerin | that could have backfired horribly |
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| 00:51.04 | peterS | of course a foot should go on top of the screen |
| 00:51.14 | Firestarter- | yay resize success |
| 00:51.19 | blondie | surely it should go at the foot >.< |
| 00:51.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:52.06 | Guerin | mm, am I evil enough to give my sis a p-120 with 48MB for university work? |
| 00:52.07 | czr | a foot in top of screen >> foot in bottom. |
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| 00:52.24 | czr | Guerin, as long as she doesn't run emacs |
| 00:52.25 | blondie | argh |
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| 00:52.34 | blondie | laptop is having fits |
| 00:52.36 | Guerin | czr: emacs would be the onyl thing worth running on it |
| 00:52.40 | karsten | Guerin: ps waux | grep [k]de | wc -l; ps waux | grep [g]nome | wc -l; |
| 00:52.47 | karsten | Guerin: ... and see which has the higher process count. |
| 00:52.48 | czr | Guerin, witn 48 MiB? ew :-) |
| 00:52.52 | czr | with even. |
| 00:53.01 | Agrajag- | does anyone have a better Maildir backup solution other than rsync? im not sure if rsync is entirely suited to this task. |
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| 00:53.08 | Guerin | czr: realistically, she'd be using openoffice |
| 00:53.13 | karsten | Agrajag-: rsync's fine. |
| 00:53.15 | Guerin | so it's probably less than wise |
| 00:53.16 | czr | Guerin, it's too little mem for that |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:53.21 | Guerin | rather |
| 00:53.24 | RvGaTe | how can i rename all the files in a dirrectory to a different extension, while keeping their filename? |
| 00:53.25 | czr | Guerin, if you can get memory then that _just_might_ work |
| 00:53.26 | itchi | Agrajag-: Sure it is |
| 00:53.30 | Agrajag- | karsten: ok, i'll go with that then |
| 00:53.30 | czr | but I have serious doubts |
| 00:53.35 | blondie | RvGaTe: man rename |
| 00:53.41 | Guerin | i can put up a couple hundy for a real box |
| 00:53.51 | czr | Guerin, btw, does debian use -march=i686 when building? |
| 00:53.55 | czr | or still i386? |
| 00:54.09 | diskus | I bet i386 |
| 00:54.11 | czr | i686 would just fall over on a p120. |
| 00:54.18 | Guerin | czr: unsure. I think it's actually quietly 486 |
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| 00:54.35 | czr | hmm. ok. there's no practical diff between 386 and 486 though |
| 00:54.36 | blondie | certainly not 686 |
| 00:54.49 | Guerin | it's definitely not 686; I installed it on a ds2-66 a few months ago |
| 00:54.51 | blondie | or my mini-itx box wouldnt work |
| 00:54.52 | czr | the only big diff comes with 586 (tsc) and 686 (cmovs) |
| 00:54.59 | czr | Guerin, ah, good to know |
| 00:55.00 | jayeola | RvGaTe: |
| 00:55.04 | jayeola | http://rafb.net/p/k7QNu888.html |
| 00:55.07 | czr | might give it a spin on my older boxen as well |
| 00:55.27 | jayeola | just change that up a bit |
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| 00:55.37 | Guerin | perhaps just some packages are 486 |
| 00:55.52 | Guerin | but I know there was an argument about it not running on 386en anymore |
| 00:56.12 | czr | maybe 386 should be a separate arch anyway |
| 00:56.16 | Guerin | nah |
| 00:56.26 | czr | common demonimator |
| 00:56.32 | Guerin | it works |
| 00:56.36 | Guerin | as is |
| 00:56.39 | Guerin | why change it? |
| 00:56.39 | czr | sure |
| 00:56.45 | czr | because you can? :-) |
| 00:56.46 | czr | of course. |
| 00:56.55 | Guerin | !flw |
| 00:56.55 | czr | mainly for cmovs |
| 00:56.56 | dpkg | somebody said flw3 was < zontak2> stable systems suck, nothing exciting |
| 00:57.14 | czr | -> more compact code -> more code fits into cache. that's the only reason |
| 00:57.15 | blondie | the kernels are all 486 minimum arent they? in etch anyway |
| 00:57.26 | Guerin | blondie: yes, that may be it. |
| 00:57.32 | Guerin | somerthing like that |
| 00:57.49 | czr | etch doens't install on 386? |
| 00:57.54 | czr | doesn't even. |
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| 00:58.21 | Edwin_Jaws | Hi |
| 00:58.30 | h3sp4wn | I doubt it gcc -v shows i486-linux-gnu - and pbuilder builds for 486 |
| 00:58.40 | Edwin_Jaws | i wanna know if can download etch4 for 64bits |
| 00:58.53 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: #debian-amd64 |
| 00:58.54 | blondie | czr: there's no linux-image-2.6-386 anymore, only 486 and above |
| 00:59.00 | czr | blondie, k. thanks |
| 00:59.09 | blondie | Edwin_Jaws: what cpu? |
| 00:59.30 | Edwin_Jaws | Guerin: Nop ! Is for HP Proliant ML350 |
| 00:59.36 | czr | I wonder what the "free giveaway xbox 360 core, featuring james brown" really means at the vista-launch party. |
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| 00:59.41 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: so? |
| 00:59.49 | blondie | Edwin_Jaws: what CPU does that have? |
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| 01:00.10 | Edwin_Jaws | blondie: let me see-..... |
| 01:00.12 | czr | blondie, new xeons methinks, or opterons |
| 01:00.19 | atermbum | is Debian updated often or no? |
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| 01:00.31 | atermbum | I'm thinkin about switchin from Ubuntu to debian |
| 01:00.41 | blondie | atermbum: stable isn't |
| 01:00.41 | Guerin | atermbum: daily. |
| 01:00.42 | Edwin_Jaws | Intel Xeon |
| 01:00.58 | atermbum | is that why so many people like Debian? |
| 01:00.59 | blondie | Edwin_Jaws: you probably want the amd64 one then |
| 01:01.05 | czr | Edwin_Jaws, how old box is it? |
| 01:01.09 | blondie | atermbum: well... stable is stable |
| 01:01.21 | Edwin_Jaws | August |
| 01:01.28 | czr | if it's recent, the xeons will have LM (or you could check, for something called "EM64T"-support) |
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| 01:01.41 | Guerin | atermbum: debian gives you clear choices: stable changes every few years; testing changes daily but mostly in a small way, unstable is all-out madness |
| 01:01.41 | blondie | amd64 is for intel 64-bit too |
| 01:01.49 | czr | in that case the 64-bit version would be more suitable. however, 64-bit mode generally uses more memory for same tasks. |
| 01:01.59 | Edwin_Jaws | there is Dualcore |
| 01:02.01 | atermbum | yeah but what is it that draws a lot of people to debian over other distros? |
| 01:02.10 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: is this a production server? |
| 01:02.16 | schme | There are other distros? |
| 01:02.20 | Guerin | atermbum: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 01:02.25 | blondie | schme: nah |
| 01:02.27 | Guerin | schme: there were, once. |
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| 01:02.39 | schme | blondie: I got scared there for a bit. |
| 01:02.40 | quad3d | atermbum, nothing really. just personal preference |
| 01:03.00 | czr | atermbum, for many people apt was the main reason. way back |
| 01:03.09 | czr | at least it was a reason for me and a lot of people I know |
| 01:03.14 | Edwin_Jaws | GuerinÑ yes |
| 01:03.15 | me_here | yep |
| 01:03.22 | Guerin | `not being broken' was the reason for me |
| 01:03.31 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: at very high load? |
| 01:03.33 | atermbum | well I'm just suck of the ubuntu community to be honest |
| 01:03.42 | Guerin | atermbum: why? |
| 01:03.42 | atermbum | they're becoming like stuck up |
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| 01:03.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:03.49 | Edwin_Jaws | Guerin: Yes |
| 01:03.53 | Guerin | seriously? |
| 01:03.56 | czr | atermbum, all distros have stuck up communities :-) |
| 01:03.57 | atermbum | saying Ubuntu is the best distro and stuff like that |
| 01:03.59 | atermbum | yeah |
| 01:04.06 | atermbum | I can't stand it anymore |
| 01:04.22 | czr | atermbum, as said, all communities are like that |
| 01:04.29 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: then 64 is probably the plan. Most people don't actually need it, and you could save yourself some pain by just running 32-bit. |
| 01:04.30 | czr | atermbum, just don't get sucked in |
| 01:04.30 | odla | that's funny....i thought everyone knew debian was the best distro |
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| 01:04.41 | blondie | weirdos, debian is obviously the best |
| 01:04.48 | czr | Guerin, and long mode uses more memory |
| 01:04.49 | badbugs | Hello |
| 01:04.55 | quad3d | they are saying it's best because that's what they accustomed to. use whatever works for you. do you use ubuntu because everyone says it's the best? or you like it for what it is |
| 01:04.57 | Guerin | czr: marginally. |
| 01:05.17 | czr | Guerin, you actually measured any larger software that has complex data structures? |
| 01:05.20 | atermbum | I chose ubuntu because at the time i switch from windows people said it was the most popular and most updated |
| 01:05.22 | Guerin | czr: nope :) |
| 01:05.25 | czr | each pointer takes twice the amount of memory now |
| 01:05.33 | czr | python for example explodes in memory-usage. |
| 01:05.36 | quad3d | so you've used it for a while? how do you like it? |
| 01:05.46 | Guerin | czr: mm, that much. |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | ubuntu is offtopic here .. go to #ubuntu if you want to talk about it |
| 01:05.57 | atermbum | its ok |
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| 01:06.01 | mage | software raid needs a fs on top right? what fs can be grown? |
| 01:06.02 | Guerin | i suppose it's offset by memory caps bigger than the number of atoms in the multiverse |
| 01:06.02 | czr | Guerin, yes. it depends on how much of data is pointers mainly |
| 01:06.06 | atermbum | abtrot i'm not talkin about ubuntu for support |
| 01:06.08 | atermbum | it's reference |
| 01:06.15 | czr | Guerin, yeah :-) |
| 01:06.20 | schme | atermbum: question is.. what makes you think the debian community is better? |
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| 01:06.29 | czr | having double the RAM when using 64-bit is not a bad idea |
| 01:06.35 | peterS | mage: what do you mean, 'grown'? You mean what filesystem can be dynamically resized? |
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| 01:06.38 | Guerin | mage: xfs can be grown but not shrunk. Others can usually be resized. |
| 01:06.38 | schme | atermbum: I mean it is, it is the best community. Ijust wonder why you think it's different? (: |
| 01:06.44 | atermbum | I have heard from friends of mine who use Debian that it's much friendlier for thte most part |
| 01:06.51 | czr | it very much depends on the programs one runs, but to be on the safe side |
| 01:06.57 | quad3d | if you can do same amount of work compared to windows and do it better and faster, by all means stick to the distro |
| 01:06.57 | Guerin | atermbum: it's just picky about who its friends are. |
| 01:07.03 | czr | atermbum, as long as you only ask debian-questions. |
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| 01:07.11 | barretj | using the word ubunt,u should be an auto kick ban |
| 01:07.13 | Edwin_Jaws | Guerin: where can I download this version-. |
| 01:07.21 | barretj | notice i didnt use the word there :) |
| 01:07.22 | mage | well as long as im not stuck with jfs |
| 01:07.26 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: as I told you already. |
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| 01:07.32 | Guerin | Edwin_Jaws: or cdimage.debian.org |
| 01:07.34 | Ronin | barretj: some days im sure we'd mostly agree too :) |
| 01:07.35 | atermbum | well I'm interested in switchin to debian |
| 01:07.40 | quad3d | debian is great. for what it is it's stable and proven to work |
| 01:07.46 | badbugs | Debian isn't stable |
| 01:07.48 | atermbum | so I think i should be able to mention what I use at the moment.. |
| 01:07.54 | Ronin | badbugs: pardon? |
| 01:07.58 | barretj | bah, stable shmable, debian sid all the way! |
| 01:08.06 | Guerin | badbugs: depends what you're using. |
| 01:08.16 | quad3d | badbugs, that's just an opinion. it works for me... i have a prod server running for a year w/o hicuup |
| 01:08.28 | czr | the irony is that if one wants to use stable on a newer hardware, it's not that simple anymore |
| 01:08.38 | Ronin | got me a nice stable debian sarge desktop and mta box to my rights actually badbugs |
| 01:08.39 | quad3d | it's a full blown setup, http, ftp, email... the whole nine yards |
| 01:08.45 | Guerin | well, it's not amazingly hard, either, thanks to people like kmuto |
| 01:08.46 | badbugs | Yes sarge is stable |
| 01:08.47 | blondie | ftp? ewww |
| 01:08.48 | peterS | czr: indeed, we're in the mode now where we now recommend etch rc1 to most people |
| 01:08.49 | badbugs | But too old ! |
| 01:08.55 | blondie | badbugs: cry |
| 01:08.57 | Ronin | badbugs: ahhh you suffer from that disease |
| 01:09.02 | czr | peterS, yeah, happens every time |
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| 01:09.18 | barretj | what will we do when there arent any toy story characters left? |
| 01:09.25 | blondie | badbugs: because debian actually has QA to ensure things aren't realised before they're stable. |
| 01:09.33 | Ronin | barretj: doubt we'll live long enough to see that happen |
| 01:09.35 | RickyRayy | is there any way to setup irssi to look like mIRC? |
| 01:09.36 | Guerin | badbugs: that'll be cured in a short while when etch releases. You'll have a honeymoon period when there's both stability and newness. |
| 01:09.46 | mage | how many sata ports does the average sata mobo have? |
| 01:09.49 | Guerin | RickyRayy: no. |
| 01:09.50 | quad3d | badbugs, you don't like their package being old just download source and compile it yourself |
| 01:09.54 | czr | Guerin, for a short while too ;-) |
| 01:09.58 | czr | mage, 2-6 |
| 01:10.02 | blondie | RickyRayy: make it ugly you mean? :P you can't make it have a toolbar |
| 01:10.04 | czr | for entrylevel desktop boards |
| 01:10.09 | blondie | RickyRayy: but there are themes you can get from irssi.org |
| 01:10.10 | quad3d | my server is hydrid between source and pkgs. runs fine |
| 01:10.38 | barretj | how come debian doesn't use bugzilla? |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | RickyRay: try xchat |
| 01:10.38 | RickyRayy | ahh cool |
| 01:10.38 | Ronin | RickyRayy: why on earth would you want to? |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | barretj: it sucks ? |
| 01:10.39 | Guerin | quad3d: upgrade nightmares will haunt you. |
| 01:10.39 | badbugs | quad3d, that's bad |
| 01:10.39 | mage | czr: thx |
| 01:10.39 | czr | mage, why do you ask? |
| 01:10.48 | quad3d | Guerin, yes, i had to do mysql and php upgrade. it was a bit of work |
| 01:11.03 | Guerin | barretj: because it's a good way of having lots of retarded useless bug reports |
| 01:11.05 | barretj | so if bugzilla sucks, how come no one uses debian's BTS? |
| 01:11.11 | badbugs | Hey hey Guerin, honeymoon period |
| 01:11.14 | Guerin | barretj: who cares? |
| 01:11.17 | Ronin | barretj: non one usese bts? pardon? |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | barretj: it's suited to debian ? |
| 01:11.29 | czr | it's submitted at least one bts entry |
| 01:11.29 | Guerin | RickyRayy: i think he measn `no other devs' |
| 01:11.31 | czr | many years back |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | Ronin: noone else besides debian uses debian BTS |
| 01:11.40 | barretj | i meant, no one but the debian project |
| 01:11.41 | quad3d | badbugs, why is it bad? i don't need to be 99% depend on pkg to run a system. |
| 01:11.58 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 01:11.58 | Ronin | abrotman: good point |
| 01:11.58 | dpkg | hmm... advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 01:12.04 | quad3d | like i stated as earlier comment. use what you are used to, use what you like, if it works. don't touch it don't fix it. |
| 01:12.06 | Guerin | barretj: ↑ that's the canonical answer |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | quad3d: and pray it doesn't break. |
| 01:12.31 | barretj | hehe |
| 01:12.41 | me_here | pebkac lol |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | i far prefer debian BTS to bugzilla .. bugzilla is really hard to use IMO |
| 01:12.46 | blondie | Guerin: shame about the new installer huh |
| 01:12.50 | quad3d | Guerin, nope. main server for a company serving over 200+ customers. never a problem |
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| 01:12.55 | Guerin | blondie: is it default yet? |
| 01:12.59 | quad3d | not internal neither |
| 01:13.01 | Guerin | quad3d: nice. |
| 01:13.15 | blondie | Guerin: you get a list of things to choose from |
| 01:13.24 | blondie | cli/expert/gui/gui-expert |
| 01:13.27 | Ronin | blondie: so far so good |
| 01:14.02 | barretj | dont try to get things out of the freezer when your hands are wet, they will stick! |
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| 01:14.13 | barretj | i just did that and my hand stuck |
| 01:14.14 | czr | the installer is getting a gui? wtf? |
| 01:14.18 | barretj | man it hurt! |
| 01:14.24 | Guerin | blondie: i don't mind an x installer as long as a. it works b. it doesn't give me any more/less options than the curses c. it has a failsafe back to curses d. it is 100% key-controllable and doesn't require a mouse to be plugged in |
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| 01:14.28 | wastrel | hi |
| 01:14.33 | Ronin | not the sharpest tool in the shed are you barretj ;) |
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| 01:14.41 | abrotman | barretj: and you want to use bugzilla .. obviously you're not capable of making smart decisions |
| 01:14.43 | Guerin | czr: has had for months |
| 01:14.48 | Guerin | czr: works fine |
| 01:14.50 | czr | Guerin, in etch? |
| 01:14.58 | Guerin | czr: yeah |
| 01:15.03 | mage | czr: I'm pondering buying a brand spanking new computer to put in my closet, and have a raid 5 array for /home/ |
| 01:15.03 | czr | what has the world come to. |
| 01:15.04 | badbugs | quad3d, after 3 years, you have many versions compiled |
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| 01:15.37 | czr | mage, then you have to check the mobo/system spec for how many sata connectors it has. note that having many hd:s will generate a lot of heat with modern disks. |
| 01:15.51 | Guerin | and voltage draw is quite high |
| 01:16.00 | czr | mage, that might pose a problem, especially in the "closet" scenario |
| 01:16.11 | Guerin | i had to replace a PSU because six IDE was too much |
| 01:16.13 | badbugs | I use debian but his main defect is the wait between every version |
| 01:16.18 | mage | i have a temp gauge in my case |
| 01:16.22 | quad3d | for sources i kept them under one single folder. just diff the config files. compilation options are pretty much the same. |
| 01:16.24 | czr | if the machine catches fire, you'll have no time to take it out of the closet. |
| 01:16.36 | stoned | you came out of the closet? |
| 01:16.38 | quad3d | the only work i have to do is compare the config file and read up on new features |
| 01:16.43 | czr | stoned, not me. |
| 01:16.47 | czr | I'm still stuck inside closet. |
| 01:16.51 | quad3d | which i don't mind. because i actually learn something out of it. |
| 01:16.55 | czr | my closet doesn't have a door. |
| 01:17.00 | Guerin | badbugs: that's a feature, not a bug. |
| 01:17.01 | stoned | czr, thats not any better either |
| 01:17.03 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:17.05 | stoned | j/k |
| 01:17.09 | czr | stoned, it's better for you people :-) |
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| 01:17.15 | stoned | oh |
| 01:17.20 | stoned | sorry, I was just kiddin |
| 01:17.29 | mage | czr: well I could ventilate it into the frame of the building |
| 01:17.29 | czr | nm, so was I. |
| 01:17.42 | stoned | czr, wait, so you're gay or not? |
| 01:17.44 | Guerin | badbugs: apache 1.3, bind9, postfix 2, perl 5.8 and emacs21 still work just as well as they did the day I installed them. |
| 01:17.45 | czr | mage, it's up to you what you do, just bear this in mind. |
| 01:17.58 | czr | stoned, why would this matter whether I am or not? doesn't affect my code. |
| 01:18.01 | mage | aye |
| 01:18.07 | stoned | well thats what the closet was all bout man |
| 01:18.09 | stoned | damn |
| 01:18.12 | stoned | pay attention |
| 01:18.15 | Guerin | stoned: ... |
| 01:18.25 | stoned | its not me, I'm possessed |
| 01:18.33 | Guerin | stoned: maybe if you take your bong into the closet you'll get more irie mon |
| 01:18.39 | stoned | lol |
| 01:18.40 | czr | heh |
| 01:18.49 | mage | well, im trying to plan it so I dont have to worry about it dying and losing my data |
| 01:18.50 | badbugs | Ok Guerin but Gnome 2.8 is too old |
| 01:19.04 | mage | so pointing out possible stupidity is good |
| 01:19.06 | Guerin | badbugs: so don't run stable on desktop boxes |
| 01:19.06 | badbugs | for exemple, or firefox 1.06 |
| 01:19.10 | centrx | badbugs, just use testing |
| 01:19.13 | czr | mage, it has been pointed :-) |
| 01:19.18 | barretj | use unstable |
| 01:19.26 | Guerin | !sid evangelism |
| 01:19.27 | dpkg | i heard sid evangelism is Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
| 01:19.28 | blondie | no, use etch or testing |
| 01:19.29 | stoned | there HAS got to be backports of gnome 2.14 for sarge |
| 01:19.36 | Guerin | stoned: why? |
| 01:19.42 | centrx | unstable does break |
| 01:19.43 | stoned | cuz people would've ported it |
| 01:19.47 | Guerin | stoned: did you? |
| 01:19.54 | stoned | Im not people |
| 01:19.58 | badbugs | I can't have a debian secure and stable |
| 01:20.03 | Guerin | stoned: then why would `people' care? |
| 01:20.04 | barretj | wow, dpkg knows all about me |
| 01:20.12 | Guerin | badbugs: sure, you can. |
| 01:20.12 | barretj | !barretj |
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| 01:20.17 | rox | i have a 20 minute piece of vidoe on DVD i wish to put on google video, meaning i need to cut and join .vob files and convert them to mpeg/divx/flv. Any suggestions on how i should do it? |
| 01:20.26 | Guerin | badbugs: secure, stable, up-to-date. Pick two. |
| 01:20.31 | stoned | Guerin, thats actually not very good of you to think like this. Just because I don't care doesn't mean no one should. |
| 01:20.44 | Guerin | stoned: be the change you wish to see. |
| 01:20.45 | jelly-home | Guerin: give me secure and up-to-date! |
| 01:20.52 | barretj | i wish i could pick stable and up-to-date |
| 01:20.56 | Guerin | jelly-home: unstable it is! |
| 01:21.00 | centrx | testing is stable and up-to-date |
| 01:21.00 | stoned | Guerin, I'm trying. It has not yet been legalized |
| 01:21.03 | jelly-home | Guerin: secure? riight |
| 01:21.06 | stoned | Guerin, I'm trying to make a difference :) |
| 01:21.10 | barretj | not really |
| 01:21.15 | Guerin | badbugs: you sort-of can. |
| 01:21.15 | barretj | unstable is up-to-date |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | barretj: are you going to whine all night ? |
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| 01:21.32 | stoned | unstable is quite stable |
| 01:21.32 | Guerin | testing isn't really either, but it's sort-of both |
| 01:21.37 | Guerin | stoned: no. |
| 01:21.42 | stoned | that sounds retarded but .. |
| 01:21.44 | wastrel | hi |
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| 01:21.52 | centrx | if you have unstable installed, and it works, then it is stable |
| 01:22.01 | jelly-home | Guerin: some packages in unstable are more like "oh we'll wait for upstream to release a fix" |
| 01:22.02 | stoned | centrx, not exactly |
| 01:22.03 | centrx | but when you update it might or might not break |
| 01:22.05 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 01:22.06 | badbugs | no ! |
| 01:22.06 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 01:22.12 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeh. |
| 01:22.21 | jelly-home | *cough*php*cough* |
| 01:22.39 | Guerin | jelly-home: php is so fucking wrong |
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| 01:22.56 | grigora | hi, I have a setup in my Gnome desktop environment so that when I press both Alt buttons together my keyboard layout changes, however when I write/test code I prefer to work in FVWM and am not sure how to change the keyboard layout there. Does anyone know of a command line way of changing the keyboard layout to various languages? many thanks! |
| 01:22.57 | stoned | Guerin, why? |
| 01:23.01 | jelly-home | Guerin: tell me about it. It is used, nevertheless |
| 01:23.13 | Guerin | if there was a not-shit webmail client in something else I'd remove all php from my damn server |
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| 01:23.47 | stoned | Guerin, what are your reasons for not liking php? |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | Guerin: you love horde! |
| 01:23.48 | Guerin | stoned: there was a guy in here just today whose box had been pwned by spammers because of flakey php |
| 01:23.51 | jelly-home | Guerin: if you want to pay for it, I hear Surgemail is nice |
| 01:23.58 | Guerin | abrotman: h88888 |
| 01:24.02 | Guerin | jelly-home: bah. |
| 01:24.03 | badbugs | it is not serious to propose a testing version or unstable |
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| 01:24.07 | streuner | stoned: security issues |
| 01:24.08 | me_here | Guerin: what about Squirrelmail ? |
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| 01:24.12 | Guerin | me_here: php |
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| 01:24.18 | me_here | Guerin: ah yes |
| 01:24.21 | me_here | sorry |
| 01:24.25 | stoned | streuner, Is ee |
| 01:24.32 | wastrel | i like squirrelmail |
| 01:24.34 | Guerin | currently I use sqwebmail, but it's frankly quite shit |
| 01:24.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: pick any two: nice, not-php, free :-) |
| 01:24.47 | grigora | anyone? |
| 01:24.55 | stoned | grigora, no clue |
| 01:24.56 | Guerin | i also have horde/imp installed because my co-admin likes his bloat |
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| 01:25.09 | Guerin | jelly-home: probably true. |
| 01:25.14 | sid | http://rafb.net/p/gHRa7v68.html ; where does 98 and 49 come from? This "if( ~$int & 1 ) {" lines confuses me a lot. dondelelcaro here? |
| 01:25.29 | Guerin | someone in another channel is working on a ruby/rails webmail client |
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| 01:25.34 | abrotman | Guerin: there's zimbramail or whatever it is |
| 01:25.35 | Guerin | or so he claims |
| 01:25.49 | jelly-home | Guerin: seriously, surgemail is surprisingly good and under four figures |
| 01:25.52 | Guerin | abrotman: mm, isn't that proprietaryish? |
| 01:25.57 | n3kl | Hi. I am using the tiger security auditor and when I recieve mail, no matter what host the report is for, it reports in the email that it came from localhost.localdomain. I don't see in the config where to change that or where it is getting that variable from. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | Guerin: there's free and non-free |
| 01:26.06 | Guerin | jelly-home: i hope that's including the .00 |
| 01:26.14 | jelly-home | Guerin: hehe, not |
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| 01:26.35 | mage | 99.99.99 |
| 01:26.37 | jelly-home | i wouldn't sell my shell scripts for under $10 |
| 01:26.44 | badbugs | There is no alternative in debian ? (alternative, not ubuntu) |
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| 01:26.57 | abrotman | badbugs: /etc/alternatves |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | alternatives |
| 01:27.26 | jelly-home | n3kl: all your hosts have misconfigured hostname? :-) |
| 01:27.29 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, i remember looking at this. It has insanely complicated and dangerous-looking licenses |
| 01:27.40 | mage | I'd sell my scripts for under $10 #!/bin/bash\necho hello world chaching |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | it's been sunday all week |
| 01:27.58 | Guerin | abrotman: year |
| 01:27.58 | monokrom1 | hrm... I forgot how much I like using a console instead of X :| |
| 01:28.05 | unlink | why on powerpc am i getting hundreds of errors internal to libc reported by valgrind, where those errors are (mostly) absent on x86? |
| 01:28.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: that means it's been Sunday all year! |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | i've noticed |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | it's so bad that jelly-home goes to OFTC for help! |
| 01:28.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: hey, how'dyaknowthat :-> |
| 01:28.58 | jelly-home | fkn lurkers |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know all ... :) |
| 01:29.36 | monokrom1 | !dpkg tor |
| 01:30.06 | n3kl | jelly-home: that is possible, since the common variable in this is me... =] |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | monokrome: what about it ? |
| 01:32.25 | n3kl | is setting your hostname not as easy as `hostname $hostname` |
| 01:33.17 | monokrome | abrotman: About what? |
| 01:33.22 | blondie | n3kl: only until your eboot |
| 01:33.27 | blondie | *you reboot |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | monokrome: tor ? |
| 01:33.36 | mage | heh |
| 01:33.40 | mage | add it to /etc/rc |
| 01:33.41 | monokrome | abrotman: It wont install through apt. Trying to figure out why. |
| 01:33.48 | mage | oh wait in in debian, ignore that |
| 01:33.57 | blondie | what's the error message? :P |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | monokrome: which version of debian ? |
| 01:34.04 | monokrome | Says the package has been removed |
| 01:34.04 | monokrome | heh |
| 01:34.05 | n3kl | blondie: you know if I can set fqdn in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:34.05 | monokrome | testing |
| 01:34.06 | Softly | hi |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | monokrome: it has .. |
| 01:34.14 | monokrome | abrotman: Know why? |
| 01:34.14 | jelly-home | n3kl: no, it's more like "edit /etc/hosts and add an entry like 3.4.5.6 host.full.name host" |
| 01:34.20 | blondie | n3kl: why would you want to do that? that's localhost |
| 01:34.24 | Softly | I'll find out |
| 01:34.37 | blondie | what jelly-home said |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | monokrome: because it doesn't provide true anonymity .. and tor is still rapidly evolving |
| 01:34.44 | blondie | !why is tor not in testing |
| 01:34.44 | dpkg | tor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tor |
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| 01:34.54 | n3kl | well, I think that tigercron is reading from hosts and I want to know what host it comes from when I see it in my email |
| 01:34.58 | monokrome | So, it's in unstable? |
| 01:34.59 | mage | localhost.localdomain.localtld is the really fqdn |
| 01:35.20 | blondie | monokrome: read that link |
| 01:35.42 | jelly-home | n3kl: make sure contents of /etc/hostnname are the same as the third word in that /etc/hosts line, and that 3.4.5.6 is its real ip. |
| 01:35.43 | monokrome | Yeah, it's loading. Thanks. |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | monokrome: notice weasel's RC bug |
| 01:36.43 | jelly-home | n3kl: real =~ what eth0 has for an ip (or whatever interface you have) |
| 01:37.56 | rickyray_ | for a desktop workstation, windows xp is better right |
| 01:38.02 | rickyray_ | and for servers linux is better |
| 01:38.06 | Guerin | yeh, the problem with zimbra is that (despite claiming to eb open source) the license includes modified Mozilla Public License requiring a particular attribution logo |
| 01:38.06 | barretj | lol |
| 01:38.12 | Guerin | rickyray_: no. |
| 01:38.38 | Guerin | windows XP is only better if you play a lot of games. |
| 01:38.44 | jelly-home | rickyray_: depends on your budget and ethical standing ;-) |
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| 01:39.01 | badbugs | I'm right with you Guerin |
| 01:39.02 | barretj | i'm going to buy a wii to play games on |
| 01:39.12 | RickyRayy | ok |
| 01:39.20 | barretj | just have to wait till they have them in stock at my local gamestop |
| 01:39.46 | RickyRayy | so to switch between chat channels in irssi, you press alt + 1, alt + 2, etc? |
| 01:39.56 | blondie | RickyRayy: among other ways |
| 01:40.06 | barretj | i usually use CTRL+N |
| 01:40.19 | Guerin | remember, XP isn't a name, it's an emoticon |
| 01:40.42 | blondie | I use alt-n or /win n or /win goto #channel |
| 01:40.47 | barretj | ALT+1 in irssi gives me this: ± |
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| 01:41.06 | barretj | ALT+2 gives me this: ² |
| 01:41.18 | blondie | your terminal is setup wrong |
| 01:41.19 | abrotman | barretj: so stop freaking doing that |
| 01:41.25 | monokrome | barretj: Terminal probs |
| 01:41.27 | barretj | hehe |
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| 01:41.38 | jelly-home | rickyray_: xp is only good if you want your hardware to work, if you like a relatively consistent and fast interface, hotplug and decent localization of the OS. |
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| 01:42.07 | barretj | i like it like that actually, cause in case i need those symbols i can just use ALT+{KEY FROM TOP ROW} |
| 01:42.23 | barretj | ALT+= gives this: ½ |
| 01:42.29 | barretj | which is kinda cool IMHO |
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| 01:43.45 | xfli | anyone have a problem with xvid not being seen when you try to use FFmpeg ? |
| 01:43.49 | xfli | in sid |
| 01:44.03 | karsten | xfli: Three donuts says you are. |
| 01:44.16 | karsten | !tell xfli about polls |
| 01:44.18 | xfli | ya |
| 01:44.22 | teledyn_ | ¿§ô wháŧ? |
| 01:44.26 | xfli | well |
| 01:44.26 | mage | 123 |
| 01:44.29 | xfli | its a question |
| 01:44.37 | mage | alt buttons do nothing in eterm |
| 01:44.39 | karsten | xfli: yes. |
| 01:44.41 | xfli | should i ask everyone one by one ? |
| 01:44.43 | mage | wait, this is xterm |
| 01:44.47 | Guerin | xfli: the answer is `you' |
| 01:44.51 | karsten | xfli: Is the answer to that question. Now I usppose that's not the answer you were looking for. |
| 01:44.53 | jelly-home | karsten: donuts tell you stuff? |
| 01:45.05 | karsten | jelly-home: No, silly. |
| 01:45.07 | xfli | god you guys are assholes |
| 01:45.09 | karsten | jelly-home: Donuts don't talk. |
| 01:45.15 | karsten | jelly-home: The voices in my head talk. |
| 01:45.20 | mage | xfli: they're being pedantic today, but im sure nobody knows what you're talking about |
| 01:45.25 | teledyn_ | set XkbOptions to compose:ralt and you'll get multi-key on ralt |
| 01:45.27 | jelly-home | karsten: Phew, had me worried there for a bit. |
| 01:45.35 | sussudio | xfli: your retarded vhost doesn't help |
| 01:45.47 | mage | hahahaha i didn't see that |
| 01:45.51 | Guerin | xfli: any random xvid, or just some? Does it work in other players? Any errors? |
| 01:45.52 | xfli | i need to convert avi. .mpg .wmv files in linux to be playable on a video ipod |
| 01:45.54 | Guerin | etc. |
| 01:46.00 | xfli | xvid isnt working |
| 01:46.01 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 01:46.05 | karsten | xfli: Describe the problem, symptoms, specifics of your configuration, etc. That's a smart question /msg dpkg smart questions. |
| 01:46.05 | Guerin | xfli: you lose. |
| 01:46.11 | xfli | Unknown codec 'xvid' |
| 01:46.17 | xfli | its installed. |
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| 01:46.40 | jelly-home | xfli: has it ever worked before? Was it with Debian's or marillat's packages? |
| 01:46.47 | karsten | jelly-home: So these three donuts walk into a bar .... |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | i don't think ffmpeg is in debian |
| 01:46.59 | xfli | from debian and the xvid website |
| 01:47.00 | teledyn_ | karsten: "god you guys are assholes" is more interesting though |
| 01:47.09 | xfli | i got 2 diff debs and still same |
| 01:47.21 | Guerin | xfli: use transcode or something |
| 01:47.21 | jelly-home | Guerin: sure it is, a crippled ffmpeg, a crippled mplayer... : |
| 01:47.32 | Guerin | jelly-home: oh, with only decode? |
| 01:47.38 | Guerin | that makes sense |
| 01:47.40 | xfli | ddnt know what will wwhat wont so |
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| 01:48.36 | jelly-home | Guerin: I don't _know_ what it has or has not since I'm using debian-multimedia.org and have written off Debian's packages for the time. |
| 01:49.10 | xfli | ugh Unknown codec 'aac' |
| 01:49.17 | xfli | and i know for a fact aac is installed |
| 01:49.22 | jelly-home | xfli: I suggest using packages from www.debian-multimedia.org repo. |
| 01:49.27 | xfli | jesus |
| 01:49.29 | xfli | ah k |
| 01:49.30 | karsten | sudo find . ! -user root -type d -mtime +30 -depth -exec rm -rf \{\} \; |
| 01:49.42 | stoned | jelly-home, debian NEVER had any of the packages avialable on dmm |
| 01:49.44 | xfli | karsten you know |
| 01:49.46 | karsten | /tmp cleanup. |
| 01:50.04 | xfli | you get banned |
| 01:50.06 | xfli | for that shit |
| 01:50.16 | xfli | wow you know 1 strng |
| 01:50.23 | xfli | makes you a fuckng hacker now rght/ |
| 01:50.24 | jelly-home | stoned: obviously NEVER != now, as there's mplayer in Debian. |
| 01:50.28 | karsten | xfli: aac == apple's lossless encoder. Got marillat packages? |
| 01:50.28 | xfli | see you are an asshole |
| 01:50.33 | xfli | and a cunt on top of t |
| 01:50.37 | karsten | xfli: Um, dude, chill. |
| 01:50.40 | wastrel | hi |
| 01:50.42 | karsten | !ops xfli abuseive |
| 01:50.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: xfli abuseive |
| 01:50.50 | xfli | no wonder they left freenode |
| 01:50.53 | wastrel | what does xfli stand for? |
| 01:50.58 | xfli | telling some one to rm -rf their shit |
| 01:51.02 | peterS | xfli: calm down |
| 01:51.03 | Ronin | wow another day another wanker |
| 01:51.05 | xfli | what if i didnt know what thta did asshole |
| 01:51.14 | xfli | fucking stupid bitch |
| 01:51.14 | jelly-home | xfli: hey, it's only user's shit older than a month. |
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| 01:51.40 | teledyn_ | stop insulting people |
| 01:51.43 | Ronin | wow ease up before you hurt yourself |
| 01:51.47 | Ronin | oh wait never mind |
| 01:51.52 | jelly-home | karsten: that -depth thing is vaguely suspicious to my eye though, what does it do? |
| 01:52.23 | karsten | jelly-home: On a GNU find: it descends the depth of a directory first, then backs out of it. |
| 01:52.28 | barretj | Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | oh .. never heard that before! |
| 01:52.51 | karsten | jelly-home: If you've got deep trees, and you're trying to nuke directories with 'rmdir', it works better. |
| 01:52.54 | jelly-home | karsten: oh, so it'll pick up deeper tree parts first |
| 01:52.57 | karsten | barretj: ... not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) |
| 01:53.11 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah: find . -type d -depth | xargs rmdir |
| 01:53.30 | karsten | jelly-home: ... will work pretty queitly. Lose the '-depth' and it's going to bitch about non-empty directories. |
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| 01:55.06 | cld2 | I really really want to install debian on my home file server and I dont think I can wait anymore for etch. will I be able to do an inplace/inline distro upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 or will I have to re install? thanks. |
| 01:55.21 | jelly-home | cld2: you will be able to upgrade. |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | yes .. or you can isntall etch now |
| 01:55.24 | Ronin | cld2: no reinstall normally its apt-get upgrade |
| 01:55.42 | karsten | cld2: yes. That's an exceedingly basic FAQ, please read the Debian docs. |
| 01:56.09 | mage | wow i thought i was the only one who used exceedingly on a regular basic |
| 01:56.10 | jelly-home | cld2: relatively smooth distro upgrades are Debian's major competitive advantage |
| 01:56.12 | cld2 | jelly-home, Ronin: thanks. Karsten sorry to dumb up the channel. will read the faq |
| 01:56.13 | mage | *basis |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | karsten: paste paste paste! |
| 01:56.24 | karsten | mage: We're exceedingly rare. |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | !tell karsten about paster |
| 01:56.32 | karsten | abrotman: Nuked it already. |
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| 01:56.36 | abrotman | damn you! |
| 01:56.38 | monokrome | Hopefully this dist-upgrade fixes Xorg :/ |
| 01:56.47 | mage | oh thanks to whoever mentioned /win # |
| 01:56.49 | Ronin | cld2: i think we'd rather have "dumb" questions then see abrotman be called an asshole again :) |
| 01:56.52 | cld2 | jelly-home: what about config files? does it do a gentoo style merge? or do the old ones just get whacked? |
| 01:56.59 | karsten | abrotman: Apparently my head is a sexual organ, however. |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | Ronin: when?! |
| 01:57.14 | mage | abrotman: you're an as- damn! |
| 01:57.15 | Ronin | abrotman: at least twice this mornign that i can think of |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | Ronin: oh .. that windowsrefund moron ? |
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| 01:57.30 | Ronin | windowsrewhats his face comes to mind |
| 01:57.41 | jelly-home | cld2: no merge, but unmodifed files get replaced automatically. For others, a small number is merged, and you're prompted for what to do with the rest |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | Ronin: yeah .. he loves me |
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| 01:57.57 | Ronin | loved us all i see |
| 01:58.11 | karsten | jelly-home: ucf? |
| 01:58.20 | rublind | how to get to the menu that asks what you want to install (when you first boot the machine) like, desktop environment and the like? |
| 01:58.21 | mage | cld2: could install etch right now even though its testing |
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| 01:58.32 | odla | rublind: tasksel |
| 01:58.37 | abrotman | rublind: tasksel |
| 01:58.40 | mage | then not so much of an upgrade, at the risk of instability |
| 01:58.41 | jelly-home | karsten: conffil-like mechanism used in some packages that can do a three-way merge. |
| 01:58.42 | odla | !win odla |
| 01:58.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, odla! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 01:58.46 | rublind | odla, abortman: thank you. |
| 01:58.52 | karsten | jelly-home: Hrm. |
| 01:59.07 | karsten | odla: ... it comes with a complimentary bucket of warm spit. |
| 01:59.25 | odla | karsten: sweet |
| 01:59.40 | karsten | odla: Somewhat salty, actually ;-) |
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| 01:59.45 | odla | karsten: and hopefully windows xp |
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| 02:00.00 | cld2 | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 02:00.05 | jelly-home | karsten: like if you messed with the file in /etc a bit, it may still know how to update it without bloody Y/N/D/Z prompts |
| 02:00.05 | Ronin | odla: want a copy? you can have mine? course its my beer coaster right now |
| 02:00.15 | rublind | tasksel is where you choose between gnome and kde, right? |
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| 02:00.17 | peterS | jelly-home: well, ucf is slick, but why can't dpkg do 3-way conffile merging all by itself? it could, but in the several years since someone thought of it, nobody has implemented this.. |
| 02:00.18 | cld2 | mage: if I install testing etch when it goes stable can I just keep doing update and have a stable etch vs testing? |
| 02:00.21 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah, I get the picture. Could be interesting. |
| 02:00.29 | odla | Ronin: no thanks...i enjoy being able to use my computer |
| 02:00.36 | jelly-home | karsten: clamav is a nice example |
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| 02:00.52 | mage | cld2: install etch or testing and then make sure sources.list says etch |
| 02:01.04 | cld2 | mage thanks. |
| 02:01.12 | predder | in /etc/hosts can you put more than one ip to a single line? |
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| 02:01.29 | jelly-home | peterS: dpkg-dev mailing list is that-a-way --> :-) |
| 02:01.50 | predder | ie. 1.2.3.4 1.2.3.5 fqdn.host.domain host.domain host |
| 02:01.51 | peterS | predder: 'man hosts' |
| 02:02.11 | karsten | predder: I don't believe so. What peterS aid. |
| 02:02.11 | mage | predder: might want a shit simple dns at that point |
| 02:02.13 | karsten | said. |
| 02:02.23 | abrotman | peterS: so you're a slacker too ? :) |
| 02:02.35 | odla | rublind: if you want kde you have to install kde-desktop or another meta package |
| 02:02.36 | karsten | predder: ... and what mage said. hosts file maintenance is a bitch. |
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| 02:02.49 | peterS | abrotman: totally a slacker. I'm slacking while trying to fix a video driver. |
| 02:02.53 | rublind | odla: no, I want gnome, is that the default? I forgot... =\ |
| 02:02.58 | odla | rublind: yes |
| 02:03.05 | rublind | odla: sweet |
| 02:03.12 | odla | rublind: if you use tasksel and select 'desktop' it will install gnome |
| 02:03.13 | rublind | is the current stable release etch or sarge? |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | peterS: wouldn't you rather fix tuv's bug?! |
| 02:03.13 | mage | peterS: slackware 11 is compiled i486 right? |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | mage: ask #slackware ? |
| 02:03.22 | odla | rublind: current stable is sarge |
| 02:03.36 | rublind | odla: what version is gnome is being run? 2.16? |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | in sarge ? |
| 02:03.45 | badbugs | 2.8 |
| 02:03.49 | wastrel | bye |
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| 02:04.01 | rublind | 2.8? no way... |
| 02:04.03 | odla | rublind: in etch 2.14 |
| 02:04.10 | odla | rublind: install etch instead |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | and part of 2.16 |
| 02:04.12 | jelly-home | yes way! |
| 02:04.14 | mage | hmm |
| 02:04.15 | Guerin | rublind: it hasn't changed since early 2004 |
| 02:04.18 | odla | rublind: it's nearly stable |
| 02:04.24 | Guerin | rublind: so this should be no surprise |
| 02:04.28 | rublind | odla: how to update from sarge -> etch |
| 02:04.34 | odla | !upgrade |
| 02:04.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 02:04.41 | odla | hrm... |
| 02:04.52 | jelly-home | !etch pool |
| 02:04.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool 1" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 02:04.56 | mage | abrotman: its one of those damn ## channels |
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| 02:05.01 | abrotman | mage: what is ? |
| 02:05.07 | odla | rublind: change the word 'sarge' to 'etch' in /etc/apt/sources.list and run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.11 | mage | ##slackware |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | mage: oh .. so what .. |
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| 02:05.24 | Guerin | bah, 2005, not 2004 |
| 02:05.25 | rublind | roger, thank you. =] that'll update the kernel too, right? |
| 02:05.26 | Guerin | stupid me |
| 02:05.36 | mage | abrotman: threw me off for a second, typed /join #slackware screen blinked and was back here :) |
| 02:06.12 | rublind | odla: one more question, what was the program to run to determine what the best sources for sources.list would be? apt-sources or something? |
| 02:06.21 | odla | !apt-spy |
| 02:06.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 02:06.32 | rublind | thank you. =] |
| 02:06.33 | tuv | abrotman, isn't there a factoid for my bug yet? |
| 02:06.36 | peterS | abrotman: I'd rather get X to work on my other machine |
| 02:06.48 | odla | rublind: that'll update your kernel to |
| 02:06.56 | rublind | nice, thanks |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | peterS: why doesn't it ? |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | !dbugs 404447 |
| 02:07.19 | dpkg | #404447:I[linux-2.6] ixp4xx: open source network driver behavingly badly under load, can cause corruption; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:03:06 UTC |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | tuv: ^^ |
| 02:07.22 | peterS | abrotman: that's a really good question (: if I knew that, maybe it would by now |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | peterS: more like .. what video card :) |
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| 02:08.37 | peterS | abrotman: oh - IBM GXT2000P, aka Fire GL1. there is a closed-source driver but it's for ancient xfree86 and i386 architecture, I have modern xorg and powerpc |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | peterS: wouldn't you rather sit on nails ? :) |
| 02:08.57 | peterS | and no, Fire GL1 has nothing to do with fglrx, fglrx is a radeon-based architecture that borrowed the marketing name 'fire gl' and nothing else |
| 02:11.02 | peterS | abrotman: this once-mighty graphics card has been reduced to 'orphaned by vendor, nobody will ever write a free driver for it'. I'm trying to get a framebuffer-based setup to work, so far xorg is having none of it. oh, it pretends to work, X doesn't crash or anything, but it also doesn't actually display anything useful |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | peterS: vesa driver! |
| 02:11.30 | jelly-home | woe, most of the etch bets in "etch pool 1" were lost because of the factoid length limit |
| 02:12.21 | peterS | abrotman: vesa doesn't get you very far in powerpc land |
| 02:12.40 | peterS | abrotman: I'm actually using something morally equivalent to vesa, though, called offb ("Open Firmware Framebuffer") |
| 02:12.48 | jelly-home | peterS: ah, the card has no x86 BIOS to speak of? |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | ick ick! |
| 02:13.04 | Styles | how do i do multiple for loops to collect data? |
| 02:13.06 | peterS | jelly-home: no, it was sold for a powerpc machine, why would it have an x86 bios? |
| 02:13.12 | Styles | like for ((A in lalal; B in lalla); do ; done |
| 02:13.15 | Styles | ? |
| 02:13.18 | Styles | in bash |
| 02:13.34 | jelly-home | peterS: I could almost imagine someone writing a x86 emu to make "normal" cards work in a ppc machine |
| 02:13.54 | jelly-home | s/normal/cheap PC/ |
| 02:14.03 | peterS | jelly-home: oh, that might be possible, but running VESA through a bios _emulator_ would be really painful |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | peterS: it's a mac or a pseries ? |
| 02:14.17 | peterS | abrotman: pseries |
| 02:14.24 | jelly-home | peterS: well it's only needed to write some registers, innit |
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| 02:14.48 | peterS | jelly-home: and to, uh, actually draw stuff on the screen. there's no guarantee that you can just set up a linear framebuffer |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | peterS: i think a friend of mine has one of those on his desk at wokr :) |
| 02:15.08 | jelly-home | oh, didn't know that |
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| 02:15.25 | peterS | abrotman: what model, do you know? |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. let me see |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | peterS: he's not online |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | he might have given it up .. he's been there a while |
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| 02:20.19 | stoned | jelly-home, peterS, abrotman |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:20.56 | jelly-home | ho |
| 02:20.58 | stoned | hey there |
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| 02:21.22 | stoned | jelly-home, how did you come by your nickname? |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | big tummy |
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| 02:22.15 | jelly-home | stoned: I'm at home, the gelatinous part is derived from my family name, and it's a bit offtopic isn't it. ;-) |
| 02:22.25 | stoned | a bit |
| 02:22.34 | stoned | no |
| 02:22.39 | stoned | its fully offtopic |
| 02:22.48 | stoned | FYI |
| 02:23.20 | [Cadet] | Can two disks be used together as encrypted volumes? Well I know it can because it works during the install but at boot I'm only prompted for one password and only one disk(partition) gets unlocked. Any tips/pointers/links to docs/howtos? |
| 02:23.44 | jelly-home | the tummy is asserting itself but not there yet |
| 02:23.45 | eduhat | what version of debian should i use? sarge or etch or what? |
| 02:23.45 | stoned | eduhat, depends on the intended use |
| 02:23.48 | stoned | eduhat, server, sarge for now |
| 02:23.53 | stoned | eduhat, desktop, etch |
| 02:24.05 | stoned | or sid, but since you have to ask, forget sid |
| 02:24.07 | eduhat | stoned: what is woody? |
| 02:24.16 | [Cadet] | Both are listed in /etc/crypttab |
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| 02:24.21 | stoned | its not supported anymore, thats what it is |
| 02:24.24 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:24.30 | eduhat | allright. then ill go with etch |
| 02:24.31 | jelly-home | eduhat, woe, pain and frustration, sid |
| 02:24.36 | stoned | eduhat, good man |
| 02:24.40 | eduhat | sid? what is that? |
| 02:24.45 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 02:24.46 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 02:24.46 | stoned | eduhat, dont' worrya bout it |
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| 02:25.12 | eduhat | allright. where can i download etch? |
| 02:25.21 | stoned | !d-i eduhat |
| 02:25.21 | dpkg | eduhat, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:25.26 | eduhat | it doesnt say for sure on the debian website what im downloading |
| 02:25.56 | eduhat | so i dont have to have the etch installer? i could use the sarge installer? that's what i have right now in my hands |
| 02:26.10 | stoned | eduhat, yes, you could. |
| 02:26.23 | eduhat | stoned: is there an etch installer? |
| 02:26.25 | stoned | eduhat, if you're going with etch, just get the etch installer |
| 02:26.34 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:26.54 | digip1mp | could someone please msg me a current, working /etc/apt/sources.list for 3.1? |
| 02:27.04 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 02:27.05 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 02:27.57 | abrotman | apt-setup |
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| 02:28.31 | digip1mp | trying it now... thanks |
| 02:30.23 | eduhat | stoned: thank you. |
| 02:30.43 | stoned | eduhat, sure |
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| 02:35.08 | cryptix | hey, im searching for the right name for the xorg usb driver packages, can somebody help me? |
| 02:35.41 | Guerin | cryptix: what would xorg do with usb drivers? |
| 02:35.52 | Guerin | some sort of usb display or such? |
| 02:35.54 | gcbirzan | What org USB drivers? |
| 02:35.59 | Guerin | gcbirzan: x |
| 02:36.06 | gcbirzan | Typo :-P |
| 02:36.09 | Guerin | :) |
| 02:36.27 | cryptix | well for mouse and keyboard.. i got the same problem some time ago but forgot the package name |
| 02:37.12 | Guerin | cryptix: usb support doe hid devices is in-kernel |
| 02:37.25 | Guerin | s/doe/for/ |
| 02:37.56 | Guerin | cryptix: xorg can deal with them just fine once the kernel recognises them |
| 02:37.56 | gcbirzan | xserver-xorg-input-all? |
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| 02:38.11 | Guerin | the only thing you'd need a specific x driver for would be a usb display or such, which do exist |
| 02:38.37 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 02:38.53 | Guerin | you want drivers which aren't specific to usb, but do include usb |
| 02:38.55 | gcbirzan | Guerin: Technically, aren't there USB only miceprotocols? :-) |
| 02:39.04 | Guerin | aptitude search xorg |grep input should show them up |
| 02:39.27 | Guerin | gcbirzan: bound to be, never seen one though :) |
| 02:39.29 | gcbirzan | I disike the way you search for stuff in aptitude nowadays. Even though it's more flexible.... |
| 02:39.51 | cryptix | thx |
| 02:40.00 | Guerin | mm, i wonder if it does full boolean |
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| 02:49.02 | felixn | yo yo, anyone know a good program to monitor users' bandwidth usages? |
| 02:52.00 | mentor | felipe: per UID or per IP? |
| 02:52.32 | felixn | mentor, per UID |
| 02:53.06 | mentor | no |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | no process accounting ? |
| 02:53.39 | mentor | you would have to set up some kernel stuff for that |
| 02:54.06 | gcbirzan | netfilter has something, but... |
| 02:54.09 | mentor | but it's easily do-able |
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| 02:57.40 | felixn | hmm, so you guys think I should use netfilter then? |
| 02:58.15 | astronaute | hello =) |
| 02:58.39 | mentor | felixn: or possibly process accounting |
| 02:58.42 | astronaute | etch is stable now or not yet (sry dunno where to ask) |
| 02:58.56 | mentor | !etch |
| 02:58.57 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 02:59.21 | mentor | guess not yet |
| 02:59.25 | mentor | dpkg botsnack |
| 02:59.25 | dpkg | mentor: :) |
| 02:59.32 | astronaute | :/ |
| 02:59.33 | astronaute | oki =) |
| 02:59.35 | astronaute | thx |
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| 03:09.35 | abrotman | astronaute: i've told you how many times .. read slashdot .. when it's there .. it's been released |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | slashdot is never wrong ... </sarcasm> |
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| 03:10.27 | astronaute | yep, not used to it but ill try =) |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | or subscribe to DWN |
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| 03:11.29 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 03:13.20 | abrotman | astronaute: or you can come in here every day and read the topic .. the topic will reflect the release |
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| 03:21.57 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:21.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:36.06 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: So check it out I killed gdm and 5 hours later system is still up, but after 1 hour with gdm it shuts down...WTF |
| 03:36.26 | abrotman | DPMS |
| 03:36.40 | LorenALindenLevy | !DPMS |
| 03:36.41 | dpkg | methinks dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 03:36.51 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: could be |
| 03:36.54 | abrotman | just a guess |
| 03:37.10 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: would have just started all of a sudden the machine was up over 25 days before today? |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | oh .. that's not normal |
| 03:37.51 | LorenALindenLevy | yeah, it is a server....sort of spooked me, I was convinced all afternoon it was hacked ...or ghosts in the machine |
| 03:38.18 | LorenALindenLevy | gdm is issuing a shutdown |
| 03:38.27 | LorenALindenLevy | I guess I could dissallow gdm from doing that |
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| 03:42.21 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: machine has acpi |
| 03:42.51 | abrotman | okay .. and ? |
| 03:43.11 | LorenALindenLevy | sorry got confused I thought you said apm earlier |
| 03:43.14 | LorenALindenLevy | not dpms |
| 03:43.53 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: will dpms shut down a machine? |
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| 03:45.04 | abrotman | no .. it can crash X |
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| 03:46.20 | abrotman | well .. i suppose it could do anyhting :) |
| 03:46.25 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: No the machine went all the way down, I was running swatch over ssh and it hung up and I walked out and it was powered off. The last message was gdm shutdown |
| 03:46.38 | LorenALindenLevy | no one else was logged in |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | well, technically, anything with x can break the whole damn shop, since the X drivers are in-kernel |
| 03:47.05 | Guerin | usually it doesn't happen, though |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: system going to hibernation ? |
| 03:48.52 | LorenALindenLevy | LorenALindenLevy: This machine has been really stable ... no it explicitely said shutdown from gdm |
| 03:49.14 | LorenALindenLevy | twice, so I quit gdm and now it has not shutdown again |
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| 04:02.33 | ahattar | hi there, question, how to telnet to a com1 port? |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | kermit or minicom |
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| 04:06.14 | ahattar | thnx abrotman minicom works |
| 04:06.31 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 04:12.57 | Dembug | is there an easy way to increase the scheduler frequency beyond 1000? |
| 04:13.15 | Dembug | still looking for a simple ish solution or an existing kernel hack for the scheduler |
| 04:13.20 | Dembug | :( |
| 04:13.27 | abrotman | for your game server ? |
| 04:13.32 | Dembug | yeah |
| 04:15.00 | Dembug | im basically getting 500fps instead of the full 1000 and im positive its because of the scheduler frequency because its simulation precision |
| 04:15.21 | Dembug | or.. the fact that its limited to 500hz per cpu on a dual core chip |
| 04:15.25 | Dembug | really not sure abrotman |
| 04:15.41 | Dembug | dont spose you can lend some expertise to my particular issue? |
| 04:15.54 | abrotman | nerp |
| 04:16.01 | Dembug | heh |
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| 04:18.59 | abrotman | probably ought to ask ##kernel |
| 04:19.18 | Dembug | aye good point ;) its a frequent question i poke around in here and ##kernel |
| 04:19.20 | Dembug | thx for your help dude |
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| 04:25.09 | peery | have a strange problem. Install debian on my machine but I only seem to have one virtual terminal. If I go to the other ones I only get a blank screen. They don't seem to have shells started. Can anyone advice me about what to do? |
| 04:26.16 | xhost | peery, try looking for xfs as service wether it is started or not |
| 04:26.20 | xhost | if not. start it |
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| 04:27.01 | peery | xhost: don't seem to even have that installed... |
| 04:27.05 | SpooForBrains | would someone be able to tell me why I can't connect using mysql, jdbc on debian sarge? |
| 04:27.19 | SpooForBrains | somethign to do with security manager for tomcat ... restrictive permissions |
| 04:27.44 | peery | xhost: xfs seems to be a font server. How could the absense of it be causing my problem? |
| 04:27.55 | xhost | peery, are you runiing gdm |
| 04:28.07 | peery | xhost: nope |
| 04:28.14 | xhost | then start it |
| 04:28.24 | xhost | and see. hopefully it will work |
| 04:29.19 | peery | xhost: gdm is the display manager right? I have this problem even when I don't run X though |
| 04:30.29 | xhost | oh. well i am sorry peery, i thought you are talking about your display manager |
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| 04:32.24 | xhost | peery, does your inittab file shows you all the lines |
| 04:32.30 | xhost | like this one |
| 04:32.41 | xhost | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
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| 04:33.41 | peery | xhost: ohhhh interesting... the first one looks exactly like that one but all the others are different. Instead of having the number 2345 at the begining they just have the number 23 |
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| 04:34.30 | peery | xhost: any idea what that first number does? |
| 04:34.36 | xhost | well for me it seems that your inittab is ok. |
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| 04:34.58 | xhost | well first no. is just the no. |
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| 04:35.07 | Crissi | hello |
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| 04:35.31 | Crissi | i need help by establish a l2tp over ipsec connection with racoon on unstable |
| 04:35.50 | Crissi | i had created a racoon.conf and got the ipsec connection up |
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| 04:36.09 | Crissi | but i dont get the l2tpd conf running |
| 04:36.17 | Crissi | it always times out. |
| 04:37.04 | Revolt | ha. |
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| 04:38.44 | Revolt | they go everything takes in cu its children of puta |
| 04:39.11 | Crissi | http://paste.debian.net/19450 |
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| 04:40.01 | Crissi | maybe someone has an idea... |
| 04:40.24 | Crissi | the vpn server works fine (verified) |
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| 04:43.46 | black_13 | i have just build the kernel and i get "VFS: cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) >>> Please append a correct "root=" boot option >>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: |
| 04:44.03 | black_13 | how do i fix this error? |
| 04:45.18 | scx | How can I ask what shell I'm running? i.e. bash, ksh etc. |
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| 04:47.44 | Deepa | scx: quite easy |
| 04:47.45 | Deepa | check |
| 04:48.00 | Cyis | nothing like babysitting 35GB of mail transfer syncing between servers |
| 04:48.05 | Deepa | check in /etc/passwd |
| 04:48.07 | scx | Deepa: check: command not found |
| 04:48.10 | scx | :p |
| 04:48.17 | Deepa | deepa:x:1000:1000:my name here,,,:/home/deepa:/bin/bash |
| 04:48.26 | scx | ok... |
| 04:48.31 | Deepa | now thats faked information i made up |
| 04:48.34 | Deepa | but its going to look similiar |
| 04:48.52 | Cyis | could always finger your username :) |
| 04:49.04 | Deepa | but where is the fun in that? |
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| 04:49.12 | Deepa | some stuff in /etc/passwd is useful :) |
| 04:49.22 | Cyis | I just use getent myself |
| 04:49.51 | scx | Deeps: I see what you mean, |
| 04:49.51 | jelly-home | scx: getent passwd username |
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| 04:50.54 | scx | Well seamingly I'm on bash, but behaves more like sh... Iridium:/home/hsk > |
| 04:51.17 | scx | running bash or sh explicitly got's me to a real bash or sh |
| 04:51.25 | Cyis | scx: custom profile scripts? |
| 04:51.29 | BrianSteffens | anybody know how to get quake2 to run in fullscreen? ^^ |
| 04:51.40 | scx | no, just compiled a kernel... |
| 04:51.54 | jelly-home | there is no "real sh" on Linux, no be pedantic |
| 04:51.58 | jelly-home | s/no/to/ |
| 04:52.19 | Cyis | yep... IIRC /bin/sh is just a symlink to /bin/bash by default |
| 04:53.39 | scx | mmm even my shell is orange... freeking weird... |
| 04:54.38 | Dumuser | can any one help |
| 04:54.52 | jelly-home | scx: so you're saying you're seeing pretty colors, mon? |
| 04:55.01 | Dumuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.26 | scx | yah, it's default to blue, and after running sh or bash, I get orange! |
| 04:55.36 | Dumuser | can any one help phpMyAdmin 2.8.2-Debian-0.2 Error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
| 04:55.37 | scx | above @jelly-home |
| 04:57.24 | xhost | or you scx you can also try echo $SHELL |
| 04:58.34 | scx | it sais I'm in bash... |
| 04:58.57 | scx | but,... lemme see... |
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| 05:01.18 | scx | bash looks like "host:/home/user #" |
| 05:01.38 | scx | but looks like "host:/home/user >" and is blue!! |
| 05:01.55 | scx | root defaults to real bash |
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| 05:02.28 | scx | kernel 2.6.19.1 |
| 05:03.37 | scx | ah, I guess I'll just make "bash" to be executed at login... Thanks |
| 05:04.51 | Dumuser | can any one help phpMyAdmin 2.8.2-Debian-0.2 Error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
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| 05:08.34 | eduhat | how can i reconfigure xorg? |
| 05:09.04 | Rusty1 | Dumuser: there is a #phpmyadmin channel maybe help there?/ |
| 05:09.06 | Deepa | ls /etc/X11/ |
| 05:09.24 | Deepa | vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:09.25 | Deepa | even |
| 05:09.45 | scx | Ah! got it, it was ash, the /etc.profile had an error :s |
| 05:09.46 | Guerin | Deepa: no. |
| 05:09.56 | Guerin | eduhat: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 05:10.05 | Deepa | where's the fun in that? |
| 05:10.20 | Dumuser | Rusty1: ok |
| 05:10.23 | rshakin | hey ppl i deleted my root account for mysql what can i do now, i cant log in to the database to manage it |
| 05:10.36 | Deepa | my version works too |
| 05:10.47 | Deepa | and it might be good to know how to do it :) |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | Deepa: fun is not finding your future x config changes won't take hold because the md5sum of the conf file has changed |
| 05:11.02 | Guerin | sure, it works |
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| 05:11.10 | Deepa | well its just to update those too |
| 05:11.11 | Guerin | but it should be a last-ditch effort |
| 05:11.26 | Guerin | Deepa: except you didn't tell him how, whereas the factoid does :) |
| 05:11.40 | Deepa | good point |
| 05:11.41 | Guerin | Deepa: and recommending vim ... eesh |
| 05:11.49 | Deepa | not EVERYONE has nano/pico |
| 05:11.57 | Guerin | Deepa: everyone on debian has nano |
| 05:12.01 | Deepa | and its sometimes fun to hear people say... |
| 05:12.08 | Guerin | however not everyone has vim, and thank the gods for that |
| 05:12.09 | Deepa | "HOW DO I EDIT THE LINE IN VIM?????++???++??" |
| 05:12.13 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:12.15 | Deepa | and then tell them to use nano instead |
| 05:12.21 | Deepa | but nano has evil linebreaks |
| 05:12.24 | Deepa | evil automatical linebreaks |
| 05:12.27 | Cyis | Guerin: in that same right everyone on Debian has vim just not vim-improved |
| 05:12.28 | Guerin | aka `how do I get out of retarded mode and into editor mode???' |
| 05:12.34 | Deepa | exactly |
| 05:12.47 | eduhat | i need some help configure x... its not working right now. can someone please help. i get an error saying that no screen are found |
| 05:12.51 | Guerin | Cyis: nope. Vim isn't in the default debian install. i think nvi might be. |
| 05:13.09 | Guerin | yes, nano does have evil linebreaks |
| 05:13.17 | Guerin | this is why emacs is the one true editor |
| 05:13.23 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 05:13.52 | Guerin | eduhat: grep EE /var/log/xorg.log (or whatever the file is) |
| 05:14.04 | Guerin | eduhat: output on paster |
| 05:14.08 | Deepa | why not grep for (EE)? |
| 05:14.09 | eduhat | Guerin: it is saying that no screens are found |
| 05:14.16 | Guerin | eduhat: do as I ask. |
| 05:14.26 | Guerin | Deepa: quoting is hard |
| 05:14.39 | eduhat | Guerin: allright |
| 05:15.08 | Deepa | i always do a cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep "(EE)" |
| 05:15.15 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 05:15.15 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 05:15.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:15.42 | Deepa | actually |
| 05:15.44 | Rusty1 | man muhahaha |
| 05:15.47 | Deepa | its mostly to remind me how | works |
| 05:15.51 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:16.04 | Guerin | i remember clearly when I first figured that shit out |
| 05:16.04 | eduhat | Guerin: failed to load module "kdb", failed to load module "mouse", no devices detected |
| 05:16.20 | Guerin | eduhat: put the full output on paster |
| 05:16.38 | eduhat | Guerin: i cant copy and paste... im only in terminal |
| 05:16.44 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 05:16.53 | Guerin | !copy without x |
| 05:16.55 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:17.01 | Guerin | there's a factoid about it |
| 05:17.15 | Guerin | eduhat: does the above line start with (EE) ? |
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| 05:17.33 | eduhat | Guerin: yes |
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| 05:18.07 | eduhat | Guerin: all of them that begin with a comma start with (EE) |
| 05:18.15 | Guerin | eduhat: how are your mouse and keyboard connected to the box? |
| 05:18.28 | eduhat | Guerin: its a laptop |
| 05:18.44 | Guerin | eduhat: ok. modprobe psmouse; try again. |
| 05:19.15 | eduhat | same error's |
| 05:19.27 | xhost | anyone knows here how to configure samba |
| 05:19.32 | Guerin | ok, that's just fucked |
| 05:19.37 | Guerin | xhost: ask #samba |
| 05:20.02 | mylogic | is anyone real dominant with Evolution? heh |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | eduhat: is xserver-xorg-input-all installed (and if not, why not?) |
| 05:21.30 | Guerin | mylogic: #evolution on irc.gnome.org are probably the only people who understand the disgusting innards of that vile creature |
| 05:21.36 | eduhat | Guerin: i did install Desktop Environment in the install option's |
| 05:21.48 | Guerin | eduhat: aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-all; see what gives |
| 05:21.57 | Guerin | hell |
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| 05:22.34 | eduhat | Guerin: yeah... it wasnt install |
| 05:22.35 | eduhat | ed |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | bah |
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| 05:23.15 | Guerin | eduhat: file a bug with priority `grave' against tasksel |
| 05:23.25 | Guerin | unless such a bug already exists |
| 05:23.27 | eduhat | Guerin: allright. its all installed |
| 05:23.35 | Guerin | mm, probably not `grave' |
| 05:23.47 | Guerin | `important' would do |
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| 05:23.59 | Guerin | eduhat: will x start now? |
| 05:24.12 | xhost | it seems no one is alive there. mind helping me with my small query |
| 05:24.20 | xhost | Guerin, |
| 05:24.25 | Guerin | xhost: what I know about samba ain't worth knowing |
| 05:24.47 | eduhat | Guerin: nope.. except this time (EE) No Devices Detected |
| 05:24.57 | Guerin | eduhat: run drxx again |
| 05:25.04 | Guerin | eduhat: ask dpkg if you can't remember |
| 05:25.08 | xhost | well, i am not starting a very complicated setup just trying to connect my windows machine to my linux box. i hope you can help Guerin |
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| 05:25.39 | Guerin | xhost: yeah, see, it's like this: I got rid of my last windows box sometime in 2004, having set samba up only once. |
| 05:25.51 | eduhat | Guerin: to configure xorg im using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:25.59 | Guerin | so really, I don't know a damn thing about it, other than that it was a bastard to do. |
| 05:26.06 | xhost | and in anycase when i do smbclient -L localhost i get a connection refused message |
| 05:26.06 | Guerin | eduhat: good. |
| 05:26.23 | Guerin | xhost: connection refused means there's no daemon listening on the given host and port |
| 05:26.41 | xhost | since my services of smbd and nmbd are running so my query is this only that where i am getting stuck |
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| 05:26.51 | Guerin | xhost: kill your firewall |
| 05:27.06 | xhost | i am not having any unfortunately |
| 05:27.14 | Guerin | that's not unfortunate at all |
| 05:27.28 | eduhat | Guerin: Still no devices |
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| 05:28.01 | Guerin | eduhat: are there InputDevice sections in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for a mouse and a keyboard? |
| 05:28.44 | eduhat | Guerin: yes |
| 05:29.18 | xhost | yeah in a way it is or else i could have solved it a lon g back. |
| 05:29.34 | xhost | well now the problem is i am not getting where to look |
| 05:30.16 | Guerin | eduhat: have you edited your config at any point? |
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| 05:30.20 | Guerin | manually, I mean |
| 05:30.24 | eduhat | Guerin: nope |
| 05:30.29 | Guerin | ok, good |
| 05:30.40 | eduhat | Guerin: first time install of etch |
| 05:30.51 | eduhat | Guerin: Just got done installing |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | there are a shitload of x fuckups in etch currently |
| 05:31.09 | Guerin | it's abysmal |
| 05:31.55 | eduhat | Guerin: so is there anything i could do? |
| 05:32.15 | mylogic | grrr, does anyone know of a solid email client with a decent GUI in which I can apply rules, and then run the rule through my already-downloaded-inbox? :\ |
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| 05:32.51 | Guerin | eduhat: do those sections of your xorg.conf look roughly like this? http://pastebin.ca/302613 |
| 05:33.03 | Guerin | eduhat: use lynx or something to view |
| 05:33.28 | Guerin | mylogic: mail client with a gui? what is this depravity of which you speak? |
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| 05:34.03 | chronographer | hi all |
| 05:34.24 | mylogic | a person who desperately needs a non-text-based email client |
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| 05:34.53 | Guerin | mylogic: istr thunderbird and evilution both doing this |
| 05:34.54 | centrx | sounds pretty useless |
| 05:34.58 | eduhat | Guerin: yes... something very very similar. |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | also try sylpheed-claws-gtk2 |
| 05:35.12 | chronographer | I rebuilt debian and am in the process of installing firefox 2, stupidly did it logged in as root, now as useer, it always starts firefox 1.5 what did I do wrong? |
| 05:35.26 | Guerin | eduhat: both are listed as CorePointer or CoreKeyboard? |
| 05:35.33 | Guerin | chronographer: rebuilt? |
| 05:35.41 | chronographer | re installed |
| 05:35.41 | eduhat | Guerin: yes |
| 05:36.01 | Guerin | chronographer: how did you install firefox? |
| 05:36.37 | mylogic | Guerin: yeah, and I can create rules with them, but I can't run the rule through my inbox, it simply will apply the rule for future incoming messages |
| 05:36.46 | chronographer | following this: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/80445-howto-install-firefox-2-various-plugins-debian-etch.html |
| 05:36.48 | mylogic | which is pissing me off when I have over 3000 emails |
| 05:36.55 | Guerin | mylogic: that's a bit shit. I'm sure I remember doing that. |
| 05:37.14 | chronographer | it worked perfectly as root, all plugins work now, but it runs 1.5 instead of 2.0 |
| 05:37.29 | khaleel5000 | Hi everyone , I just Installed Nvidia drivers (downloaded the .run package from nvidia's website [nvidia-linux for x86 acchitecture , version 8762 ]) , I have nvidia fx5600 , debian etch , it shows its successfully installed , but when I (after reboot , changing the drivers to nvidia in xorg) start x , it shows Failed to load module nvidia (module doesnot exist ) even if its preceded by modprobe nvidia (which shows 3 lines 1,nvidia kernle module taint |
| 05:37.33 | chronographer | strangely java didn't work as root |
| 05:37.37 | khaleel5000 | I am in CLI rightnow |
| 05:38.38 | Guerin | chronographer: bah, stupid all-in-one howtos |
| 05:38.44 | mylogic | Guerin: hrm, I think I figured out a way around it, I can use these search folders, then transfer over those files |
| 05:38.57 | chronographer | heh! |
| 05:39.18 | Guerin | chronographer: did you do the ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /foo lines? that should take care of any stupidities |
| 05:39.29 | eduhat | Guerin: yes. corepointer and corekeyboard |
| 05:39.31 | chronographer | yes |
| 05:39.43 | Guerin | eduhat: i'm out of ideas. |
| 05:40.01 | Guerin | eduhat: brand new laptop, perchance? |
| 05:40.06 | eduhat | Guerin: allright. i had x working with sarge. i guess ill go back to that |
| 05:40.07 | chronographer | when i go run .opt/firefox/firefox as user it runs 1.5 |
| 05:40.21 | chronographer | when root the ln stuff works |
| 05:40.23 | eduhat | Guerin: its a compaq armada e500... i bought it used |
| 05:40.30 | chronographer | i can type firefox and 2.0 starts |
| 05:40.34 | Guerin | chronographer: so /opt/firefox/ contains 1.5, not 2.o. Do it again. |
| 05:40.39 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:40.48 | Guerin | chronographer: echo $PATH |
| 05:41.03 | Guerin | chronographer: look at what comes first in the list - check it for alternate versions |
| 05:41.30 | Guerin | eduhat: ok, that should work. Try aptitude install x-window-system, see what comes in |
| 05:41.32 | chronographer | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
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| 05:41.39 | Guerin | eduhat: that should install kitchen sink |
| 05:41.45 | chronographer | ok so i need to ln to usr/local/bin |
| 05:41.54 | Guerin | chronographer: ok, there's probably a competing firefox link in /usr/local/bin |
| 05:42.11 | Guerin | figure out which you want to keep and nuke the other one |
| 05:42.25 | eduhat | Guerin: okay... its installed |
| 05:42.39 | Guerin | eduhat: did it install a bunch of random stuff? |
| 05:43.11 | eduhat | Guerin: not a whole bunch. but a little bit yeah |
| 05:43.29 | Guerin | eduhat: try drxx again, start x again, see what gives |
| 05:43.41 | eduhat | Guerin: what is drxx |
| 05:43.48 | Guerin | if drxx succeeds X should start (xdm) |
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| 05:43.52 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 05:43.52 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 05:43.58 | eduhat | oh |
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| 05:45.19 | eduhat | Guerin: still doesnt work |
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| 05:47.46 | Asc | When the net install (from floppies) gets to the 'select and install software' point, is it okay to deselect everything and install stuff later? |
| 05:48.33 | unsucht | asking for opinions: how close can a linux server come to an active directory domain, like the user features and remote logon stuff etc. etc |
| 05:48.36 | eduhat | Guerin: im out of luck huh? |
| 05:48.52 | Guerin | eduhat: guess so. |
| 05:48.58 | eduhat | allright |
| 05:49.06 | eduhat | ill be in here a little later.. running sarge |
| 05:49.08 | Guerin | eduhat: ask gravity if he comes in here, he's one of the x maintainers |
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| 05:49.32 | jargon | how do you feel that #ubuntu is now the top dawg channel on freenode? |
| 05:49.51 | chronographer | still wont fix it Guerin |
| 05:49.54 | Guerin | jargon: ?? |
| 05:50.06 | Guerin | jargon: you mean it has the most people in it? Or ...? |
| 05:50.06 | chronographer | i just rm /opt/firefox |
| 05:50.07 | jargon | #debian has been topped |
| 05:50.24 | Guerin | jargon: well, #gentoo has historically been busier anyhow, so ... |
| 05:50.37 | chronographer | and tar the firefox-2.0... again |
| 05:50.42 | Guerin | but I don't see how quantity is the big deal |
| 05:50.53 | chronographer | run that new firefox, comes up as 1.5 |
| 05:50.55 | cb | more problems more people? |
| 05:51.21 | jargon | so debian used to have the most prollems in the past? |
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| 05:51.36 | Guerin | jargon: troll troll troll your boat, gently down the stream |
| 05:51.40 | jargon | :P |
| 05:51.57 | ormandj | is there a good forum/community for folks who enjoy things like userfriendly (ie: sysadmins, but not just technical discussions) |
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| 05:52.10 | Guerin | ormandj: slashdot |
| 05:52.17 | Guerin | you may have heard of it |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | wouldn't necessarily say `good' though |
| 05:52.32 | ormandj | guerin: looking for discussion forum-type places, not editor-based news sites |
| 05:52.36 | ormandj | with commentary |
| 05:52.38 | Asc | cb's actually kind of got a point. Ubuntu's gained a lot of popularity in a short period of time; therefore, they have a lot of new people who need help. |
| 05:53.08 | ormandj | something like somethingawful forums, but for techies |
| 05:53.17 | jargon | ubuntu is total crapTM in my opinion |
| 05:53.26 | jargon | will not run on my puter |
| 05:53.28 | jargon | period |
| 05:53.29 | Supaplex | !insult ubuntu |
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| 05:53.30 | dpkg | ubuntu is nothing but a dread-bolted ass-full of full-gorged snake snot |
| 05:53.37 | Guerin | Asc: i've found that doesn't necessarily mean much. Debian wast started in 1993 and still has hundreds of users in several irc channels |
| 05:53.38 | Supaplex | :P wow |
| 05:54.05 | Guerin | ubuntu has its place, it just ain't for me |
| 05:54.16 | Asc | Guerin: Having loyal oldies also helps. |
| 05:54.36 | Supaplex | dpkg has her opinion, that's for sure hehe |
| 05:54.38 | ormandj | i used to be a debian user back in the 90s, now i run solaris, go figure |
| 05:55.13 | jargon | i never used debian in my life |
| 05:55.35 | jargon | ever since 1999 or so everytime i come here someone insults me |
| 05:56.05 | Asc | You've never used it, but you join the channel on a semi-regular basis? |
| 05:56.14 | ormandj | jargon: probably because you say stupid things |
| 05:56.14 | jargon | yes |
| 05:56.22 | Asc | And I mean that in the least insulting way possible.:) |
| 05:56.34 | ormandj | jargon: ubuntu is total crapTM in my opinion <---- good trolling, of course you get insulted |
| 05:56.37 | jargon | nobody can ever give me a straight answer as to what debian is and what makes it debian |
| 05:56.50 | jargon | i tried ubuntu |
| 05:56.52 | ormandj | because you don't ask a valid question, say stupid things, and act presumptious |
| 05:56.56 | ormandj | sounds like you should give up and leave |
| 05:56.59 | ormandj | and stop wasting your time |
| 05:57.00 | jargon | i gave it my patience for months |
| 05:57.12 | jargon | ubuntu turned out to be a collassal waste of my time |
| 05:57.36 | jargon | what is debian and what makes it debian? |
| 05:57.40 | Supaplex | sorry to hear it bud. You don't have to use it you know. |
| 05:57.48 | Asc | Is that a complex philosophical question? Because it seems like the answers should be pretty easy. |
| 05:58.01 | Supaplex | it's how it's spelled. for one. |
| 05:58.02 | jargon | all i get told is it is a distro |
| 05:58.19 | Supaplex | it's also a website full of details. |
| 05:58.39 | ormandj | jargon: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 05:58.55 | cb | my condolence jargon |
| 05:59.00 | Asc | Debian is a linux (et.al) distro. It's Debian because it's made by the Debian project. :p |
| 05:59.12 | jargon | why does debian have the dreamcast logo? |
| 05:59.26 | Supaplex | why does dreamcast have the debian logo? I don't know. |
| 05:59.37 | cb | who was first? |
| 05:59.45 | ormandj | ok |
| 05:59.46 | ormandj | i'm done here |
| 05:59.47 | ormandj | byebye |
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| 06:02.15 | Guerin | !policy |
| 06:02.15 | dpkg | it has been said that policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 06:02.25 | Guerin | policy is what makes debian |
| 06:02.32 | Guerin | rules, etc. |
| 06:02.52 | rabelais | I'm trying to build some third party kernel modules, but the make process fails saying that it doesn't have the /lib/modules/2.6.../build file....is there a package that provides that file? is it linux-headers or linux-source? |
| 06:03.11 | predder | jargon, the dreamcast logo and debian swirl are quite different.. |
| 06:03.33 | Asc | At what point in the installation process is the boot loader installed? |
| 06:03.50 | Supaplex | rabelais: depends on the module. many get by with headers, some need source. What driver you trying to build? |
| 06:03.59 | Supaplex | Asc: just before reboot. or #debian-boot |
| 06:04.25 | rabelais | Supaplex, they are the srss modules for the SunRay server software |
| 06:04.27 | jargon | does this mean i am not alllowed to sell software for the debian operating system unless i supply source code? |
| 06:04.50 | Supaplex | jargon: bzzt. |
| 06:05.19 | Deepa | jargon: http://www.hands.com/~phil/debian/logo/offVertColor-phil2.eps.jpg |
| 06:05.22 | Deepa | jargon: http://www.elsotanoloco.com/res/Logos/dreamcast_logo.gif |
| 06:05.25 | Deepa | they are so similiar |
| 06:05.32 | Deepa | that i didnt even notice they had different colors at first |
| 06:06.09 | Asc | Supaplex: Thanks. Uh... if I'm installing from the internet and my connection dies, will it resume once it's restored? |
| 06:06.20 | predder | lol Deepa |
| 06:06.28 | jargon | weird i know someone that had a debian tattoo on the crook of their left thumb |
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| 06:06.32 | Supaplex | Asc: it should allow you to retry that section before you go on. |
| 06:06.50 | jargon | i always thought it was dreamcast but i was wrong |
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| 06:07.03 | Deepa | yea without looking at the pictures |
| 06:07.07 | Deepa | all you can remember is that its a swirl |
| 06:07.08 | teledyn__ | is there any way to restric ls to only be able to ls ~ ? |
| 06:07.08 | jargon | why he did i dont know, i dont think he ever used a computer in his life |
| 06:07.14 | Supaplex | jargon: GPL has no restrictions on sale. Market demand and compitition allow for what may. Any software that's GPL which is redist'd has different restrictions all spelled out at www.gpl.org. Other licenses vary as well. |
| 06:07.15 | Deepa | subtle stuff like color or direction doesnt matter |
| 06:07.18 | Asc | Supaplex: Oh, good. That makes me a lot less worried about my tempermental 56K. |
| 06:07.24 | teledyn__ | ah i have an idea... |
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| 06:07.31 | predder | so jargon, why didn't you use ubuntu? |
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| 06:07.47 | jargon | it wasnt compatible with my laptop |
| 06:07.56 | Deepa | debian is better :D |
| 06:07.59 | Supaplex | Asc: heh. I've never tried ppp over dialup for the installer. Good luck :) |
| 06:08.10 | Deepa | i managed to KILL UBUNTU using APT-GET! |
| 06:08.19 | Deepa | with STANDARD REPOSITORIES! |
| 06:08.23 | Guerin | Supaplex: it works :) |
| 06:08.28 | Guerin | Deepa: nice. |
| 06:08.32 | jargon | my laptop is the most distributed rare contemporary computer |
| 06:08.36 | Deepa | im proud :> |
| 06:08.43 | Asc | Supaplex: Thanks. I am compelled by masochism and a non-working CD drive. |
| 06:08.47 | Deepa | i managed with the newest version |
| 06:08.48 | Deepa | and 5.04 |
| 06:08.56 | Supaplex | Asc: haha. ok =) |
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| 06:09.01 | Asc | Deepa: I almost did that once because I killed APT in the middle of an operation. |
| 06:09.05 | jargon | not much of shit that isnt windows or gnome works on it |
| 06:09.13 | Deepa | Asc: i just let it install :) |
| 06:09.17 | predder | jargon, I would venture to say that if the latest stock ubuntu doesnt work with your laptop you won't have any luck with debian either |
| 06:09.24 | jargon | ubuntu isnt even compat with my display modes |
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| 06:09.56 | jargon | every couple months i get new install dvd's cd's etc from compusa |
| 06:09.58 | jargon | they never work |
| 06:10.04 | jargon | install and live cd |
| 06:10.20 | jargon | if the live cd doesnt work i dont dare install |
| 06:10.24 | Guerin | jargon: file bugs |
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| 06:10.35 | Guerin | in any case, here's not worth complaining about it |
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| 06:10.49 | Asc | jargon: did you try 'sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'? |
| 06:10.57 | jargon | i just want gnome dammit >:( |
| 06:11.03 | jargon | why cant i have gnome? |
| 06:11.03 | Guerin | !pity jargon |
| 06:11.04 | dpkg | I pity da fool jargon! |
| 06:11.23 | Guerin | wanting gnome ... a fate worse than being an OSX user |
| 06:11.34 | jargon | gnome is badass |
| 06:11.40 | Asc | Hey now. If you want shiny OSX owns. |
| 06:11.48 | Guerin | `bad' and `ass' it sure is |
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| 06:11.56 | jargon | hve you seen how brilliant the colors in gimp are in gnome? |
| 06:12.13 | jargon | they do some fancy glowworm effects |
| 06:12.33 | Guerin | Asc: if you want pretty things to look at and not get anything done, it's great. If your definition of pretty is pseudo-1950s industrial kitsch |
| 06:12.37 | jargon | not to mention the damn bloom greatness |
| 06:12.37 | Supaplex | fundementally there are only some differences between debian, and any debian like distro. Others may choose (not) to clone debian's release cycle, repositories, and packages. If they do, they can also choose (not) to mimmic our default configuration, patches and versions to push to some other tree. So when you say that some other debian like distro doesn't work, you should find the common ground and see what differs. Then consider a bug report for it |
| 06:12.52 | Asc | jargon, are you using an ATI video card by any chance? |
| 06:12.58 | jargon | yes |
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| 06:13.06 | jargon | randeon 200m express |
| 06:13.13 | jargon | radeon* |
| 06:13.29 | jargon | ati radeon xpress 200m |
| 06:13.41 | Supaplex | m00 |
| 06:13.46 | Asc | Guerin: I'm considering installing KDE and beryl. Just to show off, of course, not for actual use. |
| 06:13.49 | Supaplex | speaking of which... |
| 06:13.52 | Guerin | hahah |
| 06:13.53 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 06:13.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:14.17 | Asc | jargon: Yeah, that could cause some problems. It might be worth looking into googleing 'ubuntu ati guide' or something though. |
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| 06:14.59 | jargon | also did i mention it is a double wide xbrite? |
| 06:15.05 | rabelais | Supaplex, I was poking around the source of the modules, and I think I can get away with the linux-headers....how do I go about installing the right set? there are so many linux-header packages to choose from |
| 06:15.35 | Guerin | rabelais: the one which exactly matches your running kernel - linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:15.45 | Guerin | rabelais: if they're not there, upgrade your kernel |
| 06:15.46 | jargon | the display that is |
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| 06:16.06 | jargon | also it is amd athlon 64 cpu |
| 06:16.10 | Asc | jargon: No. I do wish I were an X configuration guru so I could tell everybody how to get it working though. |
| 06:16.12 | jargon | i am so screwed |
| 06:16.12 | Supaplex | stick with the same release for image,header,source etc. doc/manual isn't that important |
| 06:16.19 | rabelais | Guerin, thank you |
| 06:16.40 | Asc | ...do you have a single piece of normal hardware in your entire system? :p |
| 06:16.44 | jargon | no |
| 06:16.49 | Deepa | who does? |
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| 06:17.16 | jargon | also the wifi card is internal and top of the line for late 2005 |
| 06:17.20 | Supaplex | most of mine is normal. But I also have a bewildering number of drives in this system. |
| 06:17.28 | jargon | i cant recall the specs |
| 06:17.37 | Asc | Me. It helps if you use a $500 dell from three years ago. :p |
| 06:17.55 | jargon | also the key mapping is very weirds |
| 06:18.04 | jargon | because a lot of keys dont exist |
| 06:18.16 | jargon | and quadruplet button combos make up for it |
| 06:18.24 | Asc | jargon: I think I can say with some degree of accuracy that it would take a lot of work to get most distros working on your system. |
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| 06:18.35 | jargon | :( |
| 06:18.40 | Supaplex | 7 CDRW 52/24/52, 1 320gb sata, 1 80gb sata, 1 2gb dat scsi, 1 dlt35gb, and soon 1 dlt40gb+7tape lib. |
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| 06:19.09 | jargon | which is why i get pissed off when people disgust at me when i say i use windows |
| 06:19.18 | jargon | i have to use windows. nothing else works |
| 06:19.32 | Guerin | Supaplex: you have SEVEN cdrw drives? |
| 06:19.44 | Asc | On a completely unrelated note, does anyone here use multiple monitors and want to answer some questions? |
| 06:19.46 | Supaplex | jargon, quit supporting the windows only hardware vendors :) |
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| 06:19.58 | Guerin | jargon: you're just not trying hard enough |
| 06:20.03 | Supaplex | Guerin: yup. |
| 06:20.34 | Supaplex | I'll grab a duplicating controller when I get a chance. |
| 06:20.48 | Supaplex | the what? |
| 06:20.51 | jargon | or maybe i have to pay someone to write an os, because no freeware vendor wants to write code for something only less than 2/5ths of a percent of the population uses |
| 06:20.59 | jargon | >:/ |
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| 06:21.06 | Guerin | Supaplex: {MP,RI}AA |
| 06:21.19 | Supaplex | oh, well I'd have to break a law first right? :) |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | Supaplex: you must be a terrrist with all them drives |
| 06:21.39 | jargon | i specifically asked for this hardware btw |
| 06:21.46 | Guerin | jargon: more fool you. |
| 06:21.55 | jargon | they almost refused to sell it to me since it was the display model |
| 06:22.05 | jargon | i have had no prollems with this puter |
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| 06:22.43 | jargon | other than having burnt out the wireless card and broke 3 keys and the odd quirk of the power save feature |
| 06:22.58 | jargon | i have 26 months left in my 3 year warranty |
| 06:23.01 | scx | anyone knows what the boot parameter "elevator=" is for? I don't see anything in the man bootparam |
| 06:23.06 | jargon | i could get anything replace |
| 06:23.25 | scx | just curious |
| 06:23.29 | jargon | however there is the slight prollem that they dont tell you they ship it to INDIA to get it repaired |
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| 06:23.41 | moshii | scx: scheduler thungy iirc |
| 06:23.53 | jargon | scx that is the only thing i knew, and i forgot it |
| 06:23.53 | moshii | scx: *thingy |
| 06:23.59 | Supaplex | scx: grep -ril elevator= /usr/local/src/linux... :) |
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| 06:24.57 | Supaplex | humm I only have a 2.4 kenrel there. nope, no beans. |
| 06:24.58 | scx | mmhh, thanks |
| 06:25.00 | jargon | and shipping it without its hdd is not an option :< |
| 06:25.23 | jargon | india has beat out france in industrial espionage racket |
| 06:26.00 | jargon | india has more people than china now too |
| 06:26.10 | Supaplex | scx: humm /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.32/drivers/block/elevator.c |
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| 06:29.34 | jargon | only thing i am sure of anyore and not very sure at that even. is my machine is certified as vista 64bit compatible |
| 06:30.25 | mylogic | what is the command to check to see if I am getting 3d accel |
| 06:30.32 | mylogic | something gears |
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| 06:30.36 | Supaplex | glx? |
| 06:30.43 | mylogic | O.o |
| 06:30.51 | Supaplex | mylogic: apropos gears |
| 06:30.55 | intruder | glxinfo | grep Yes |
| 06:30.55 | intruder | :P |
| 06:31.15 | intruder | if you got direct rendering: Yes |
| 06:31.16 | Acu | guys from BASH, Perl, Python and PHP which one is the least used (less usefull) ? |
| 06:31.20 | intruder | you got it |
| 06:31.57 | Supaplex | least used in what context? |
| 06:32.08 | jargon | php is widely used |
| 06:32.12 | jargon | you forgot ASP btw |
| 06:32.22 | predder | lol |
| 06:32.28 | Supaplex | I'm sure you won't find much php on search.cpan.org |
| 06:32.30 | mylogic | hmm, seeing as none of thos commands spit out anything, I am thinking I need to do something -- is there any luck with 3d accel with a mobility radeon x700? O.o |
| 06:32.41 | Supaplex | and you won't find much bash on microsoft.com |
| 06:32.46 | Supaplex | and .. yeah context. :) |
| 06:33.07 | jargon | will lua replace asp/php/etc |
| 06:33.28 | jargon | ? |
| 06:33.39 | scx | Supaplex: well I got it thank you! |
| 06:33.44 | pstickne | jargon, unfortunately, no. |
| 06:33.50 | jargon | ah shit |
| 06:33.52 | jargon | :( |
| 06:33.59 | Acu | from all I have to eliminate one tutorial - Php very important for web database interface but I have no ideea how bash is usefull (to my shame) |
| 06:34.06 | Supaplex | scx: spiffy :) |
| 06:34.07 | samuel | how can I view wmv files in debian-amd64? |
| 06:34.07 | pstickne | jargon, yeah, considering PHP is pure crap. Haven't worked with ASP but I hear it's the same-same ^^ |
| 06:34.28 | pstickne | Acu, PHP is only good if you USE IT TO GET PAID. |
| 06:34.33 | Supaplex | !wmv |
| 06:34.34 | dpkg | hmm... wmv is http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. |
| 06:34.48 | pstickne | Acu, it is WORTHLESS to learn anything from (unless you known GOOD practices and can learn from how BAD it is) |
| 06:34.53 | Acu | samuel: download win32codecs from Christian Marrilat repository (is called debianmedia or something like this) |
| 06:35.04 | jargon | i hope lua replaces php and asp one day not too far into the future |
| 06:35.24 | jargon | i have been trying to spread the seed of ideas of using a lua powered webserver |
| 06:35.33 | Supaplex | I hope it replaces the brain dead idiots that code 'exploitme'-ware |
| 06:35.43 | samuel | Acu: for i386 I would do that... but for amd64? |
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| 06:35.55 | pstickne | jargon, lua/io/perl/python/ruby/smalltalk/ocaml/haskell/anything-but-php-and-other-crap ;) |
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| 06:36.19 | jargon | ? |
| 06:36.31 | jargon | haskell sucks imo i didnt like it |
| 06:36.41 | jargon | :< |
| 06:36.43 | pstickne | did you REALLY learn it? |
| 06:36.47 | jargon | nope |
| 06:36.50 | pstickne | that's why. |
| 06:37.06 | pstickne | it's a complete $#@@ to learn; I can never get past chapter 6 of YAHT. |
| 06:37.11 | jargon | it was like one massive preg_replace pattern |
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| 06:37.17 | Acu | samuel: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ Christian Marrilat is a GODSEND? |
| 06:37.49 | pstickne | jargon, boo. |
| 06:37.50 | Supaplex | yea, he's ... special |
| 06:38.07 | samuel | Acu: thanks, i know of debian media, but im not on i386 arch... win32codecs dont exist in the amd64 repo |
| 06:38.15 | samuel | because they wont work |
| 06:38.28 | Supaplex | they are tEh suck! |
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| 06:38.38 | Supaplex | just run in x86 mode :) |
| 06:38.41 | Acu | samuel: I thought he has there AMD64 too |
| 06:38.49 | jargon | the patterns in php are so difficult to read, you have to know the entire thing in order to read understandably the entire thing |
| 06:39.33 | samuel | Acu: yes, and ive used libdvdcss and some others, but no win32 codecs |
| 06:39.40 | jargon | its not like you can just figure it out in under a minute like the rest of php |
| 06:39.54 | samuel | and the guys in #debian-amd64 are asleep |
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| 06:41.33 | Acu | samule: did you try mplayer headquarters ? |
| 06:41.37 | jargon | my grandpa worked at area51, he never used a computer in his entire life i dont think. |
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| 06:42.11 | jargon | building hypersonic spyplanes, with no computer assistance whatsoever |
| 06:42.22 | jargon | those were the days |
| 06:42.46 | Acu | samuel: marrilat is easiest as you just add to your repositories... but mplayer website has also w32 codecs |
| 06:42.59 | jargon | area 51 is uninhabitable now |
| 06:43.11 | jargon | due to the bi-monthly fallout |
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| 06:43.40 | jargon | the underground test radiation leaches to the surface four to six times a year |
| 06:43.58 | shogunx | damn. you mean the timeshare i bought there is no good? |
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| 06:44.06 | jargon | :P |
| 06:44.20 | jargon | nope |
| 06:44.37 | jargon | the town there has been evacuated and abandoned as of 4 to 7 years ago |
| 06:44.43 | shogunx | what a waste of a research grant. bastards. |
| 06:45.18 | Acu | guys: so which to eliminate - php is essential (even if we do not like it ) so I have to pick to eliminate Python, Perl or Bash |
| 06:45.19 | jargon | nobody is at area 51 anymore except ubertroops to keep people out so they dont die |
| 06:46.08 | jargon | also they have to secure the uranium/plutonium waste there |
| 06:46.39 | scx | *all my pets are at area 21 |
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| 06:46.50 | concept10 | Acu, eliminate all and use ruby |
| 06:47.06 | jargon | in addition to securing the some 13000 abandonned research craft that are 30 to 40 stories underground |
| 06:47.08 | scx | err 51 :p |
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| 06:48.34 | Acu | concept10: bash is usefull for what ? |
| 06:48.46 | jargon | quote databases Acu |
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| 06:48.48 | Azar | Bruce at DT again... |
| 06:49.09 | concept10 | Acu, scripting jobs of course |
| 06:49.15 | scx | to make you ircing here Acu |
| 06:50.10 | jargon | i hear so much use ruby with no substantial evidence that it actually is worthwhile i begin to doubt whether ruby is worth it |
| 06:50.18 | Azar | why did Bruce Perens left Debian? |
| 06:50.28 | Acu | perl is good in bioinformatics - python is used by Nasa |
| 06:50.44 | Acu | it seem that Bash looses |
| 06:51.05 | jargon | Acu lua is better than perl when it comes to speed |
| 06:51.09 | intruder | python is used by nasa, wow ill learn that shit |
| 06:51.16 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 06:51.26 | lkthomas | nasa = crap |
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| 06:51.30 | scx | Actually it is preferences mostly times and some features another times, Ruby and Python are almost equivalents |
| 06:51.34 | lkthomas | google going to beat nasa :) |
| 06:51.54 | scx | Perl can be useful for other things or C++ or PHP |
| 06:51.56 | nvz | wtf.. this is like saying "pizza is good with cola, and beef is used in meatloaf... chicken loses" |
| 06:52.08 | scx | imagine a webpage made with ADA for instance |
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| 06:52.23 | jargon | chicken rocks |
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| 06:52.33 | nvz | yeah its in the chicken |
| 06:52.41 | jargon | your momma cant heal you with beef soup |
| 06:53.00 | Azar | he who learns python and ruby before learning perl becomes a simple scribble |
| 06:53.21 | intruder | Azar: ok ill learn perl |
| 06:53.36 | jargon | "You can't hug your children with nuclear arms." |
| 06:53.49 | nvz | sure you can, fuck em |
| 06:54.12 | Azar | jargon: were you refering at "your genitals"? |
| 06:54.26 | nvz | just because I get some good radiaton doesnt mean I cant share |
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| 06:54.48 | nvz | I meant to go to sleep like 4 hours ago |
| 06:54.58 | jargon | Azar what are you talking about :S |
| 06:55.05 | nvz | but I've been laying here trying for at least 2 |
| 06:55.07 | Azar | nvz, glad you are still keeping us company |
| 06:55.32 | nvz | yeah well I got a woman playing mind games with me from across town |
| 06:55.49 | jargon | will any operating system ever be as popular as windows? |
| 06:55.55 | Azar | nvz: that sounds mighty sexy |
| 06:56.01 | nvz | bad part is now all the cards are on the table, I know she's fucking with my head and she knows I know :P |
| 06:56.31 | jargon | it was just a simple innocent question |
| 06:56.51 | Azar | jargon: I guess we don't really care, each sticks with its own favorite |
| 06:56.55 | intruder | nvz: just don't give a fuck |
| 06:57.02 | intruder | nvz: that what they like |
| 06:57.19 | intruder | nvz: then you'll become an irressitible mystery |
| 06:57.29 | jargon | kill her |
| 06:57.31 | jargon | :P |
| 06:57.32 | nvz | yeah I know but shes too good.. she can hold off a long time.. |
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| 06:57.47 | goodshit | anyone know of a webbase bind9 control panel?? i don't want to do it manually.. something like postfixadmin. that let you add stuff over the web? anyone know of any software |
| 06:58.04 | Azar | nvz I know the cure for that: start writing a program or get your mind on something interesting |
| 06:58.18 | intruder | nvz: girl who play mind games just want to play |
| 06:58.58 | intruder | goodshit: yea, its a real pain |
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| 06:59.19 | jargon | i have a worse prollem |
| 06:59.26 | Acu | thanks guys - see you around |
| 06:59.29 | jargon | my fiancee's sister is playing mind games with me |
| 06:59.30 | goodshit | intruder what is a real pain? |
| 06:59.33 | goodshit | doing it manually |
| 06:59.36 | intruder | yea |
| 06:59.39 | intruder | im trying to do so |
| 06:59.42 | goodshit | i know it gotta be some admin |
| 06:59.57 | intruder | well im reading dns-howto |
| 06:59.58 | goodshit | someone gotta made an web app for it |
| 07:00.06 | intruder | it'll help tomorrow |
| 07:00.07 | goodshit | i don't want to add in revrese dns |
| 07:00.09 | nvz | jargon: yeah well might as well bang her before she's family :P |
| 07:00.10 | goodshit | you know what i mean |
| 07:00.14 | jargon | :p |
| 07:00.23 | goodshit | i want to add in a domain name and it auto add in all |
| 07:00.27 | jargon | brb i need a smoke |
| 07:00.27 | nvz | heh I didnt just say that, you didnt hear that from me |
| 07:00.30 | intruder | goodshit: well, that dns-howto isnt too long |
| 07:00.35 | goodshit | yeah |
| 07:00.39 | goodshit | i'm reading it |
| 07:00.43 | goodshit | would be good if its web interface |
| 07:00.45 | goodshit | after confgurat it |
| 07:00.49 | goodshit | we can admin it thru the web base |
| 07:00.56 | intruder | of course |
| 07:01.02 | goodshit | just like postfixadmin |
| 07:01.06 | intruder | but its geekier to do it manually |
| 07:01.07 | goodshit | i'm adding email thru webbase |
| 07:01.08 | goodshit | whichi s cool |
| 07:01.17 | goodshit | postfixadmin goodshit :) |
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| 07:01.21 | goodshit | gotta be a bind9admin |
| 07:01.27 | nvz | there is nothing cool about web administration |
| 07:01.48 | intruder | its cooler to ssh your box |
| 07:02.08 | Zta | intruder, I know this isn't what you want to hear. But I'll say it anyway: Editing the bind9 files isn't really that difficult. You can easily make a script that automatically adds all fields, in all files. Of course, the bigger the configuration, the more critical a bug will be =) |
| 07:02.11 | nvz | waste of system resources, mockery of system security.. nothing is funny about any of this |
| 07:02.36 | Zta | nvz, but it's easier to use. |
| 07:02.43 | intruder | Zta: euh thats exactly what i wanted to hear |
| 07:02.52 | bab | Hello! Could I get a few suggestions for app launchers, appart from apwal? |
| 07:03.25 | nvz | its about as funny as me travelling around the country for the past few years just to end up back here persuing the same girl as when I left :P |
| 07:03.48 | Zta | intruder, ah.. I guess that was supposed to be addressed to goodshit =) |
| 07:03.55 | Zta | goodshit, read above ;) |
| 07:04.12 | intruder | no i mean it |
| 07:04.56 | intruder | do you have some keywords i could use to find those famous scripts |
| 07:05.03 | Zta | I'm maintaining like 10 entries in my LAN's local DNS. I'm lucky that I can still easily do this by hand. |
| 07:05.25 | Zta | intruder, I men writing them yourself, once you understand how bind9 works ;) |
| 07:05.31 | goodshit | thanks |
| 07:05.41 | intruder | hrm |
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| 07:06.11 | goodshit | i find a sourgeforce |
| 07:06.12 | goodshit | file |
| 07:06.13 | goodshit | that does it |
| 07:06.23 | goodshit | its call mysql-bind control panel |
| 07:06.28 | goodshit | i'll install it and see if it work |
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| 07:08.25 | Zta | Unless it's one of those "This is my new project. I haven't committed anything yet, though.. Jim, 2004." |
| 07:08.48 | jargon | bleh i am back crummy light recessed filter parliaments |
| 07:09.11 | jargon | why did i buy them? |
| 07:10.17 | jargon | :( |
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| 07:11.06 | DeadlyNinja | how do i make apt ask me more questions when installing apps? |
| 07:11.38 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: apt-get doesnt ask you anything but if you are sure you want to install additional packages, and if you want to install untrusted packages |
| 07:11.39 | DeadlyNinja | i remember it told me once when it asked me how thorough i wanted to be |
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| 07:11.46 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: you want to dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:11.56 | ice63 | well jest use aptitude :) |
| 07:11.57 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: because debconf is what asks you the questions |
| 07:12.10 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, ah thanks ill try it |
| 07:12.58 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, is there any way to make it go through and re-ask all the questions i missed? |
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| 07:13.32 | jargon | oh goody two of my sf projects have been approved :D |
| 07:13.40 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: possibly |
| 07:13.48 | DeadlyNinja | jargon, what are they? |
| 07:13.54 | jargon | s6n and roe |
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| 07:14.02 | DeadlyNinja | jargon, what do they do? |
| 07:14.17 | jargon | roe is a graphical rogue that i hope will pan out to be mmo |
| 07:14.27 | jargon | its is oldskool |
| 07:14.41 | Azar | yeee found an damn old Debian tutorial by Havoc Pennington done on Dec 1998 |
| 07:14.50 | jargon | i started roe in 1989 |
| 07:14.56 | jargon | never made much progress |
| 07:15.04 | nvz | heh |
| 07:15.19 | jargon | the 1992 version got a face lift in 1997 |
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| 07:15.24 | jargon | erm crap |
| 07:15.25 | jargon | nm |
| 07:15.39 | jargon | the 1997 version got the facelift in 2001 or 02 |
| 07:15.57 | jargon | i really suck at programming |
| 07:16.13 | nvz | I know that feeling |
| 07:16.33 | jargon | its 2007 and i still dont have a fully functional beta |
| 07:16.36 | nvz | I spend so much time being indecisive I cant ever get to programming |
| 07:16.38 | DeadlyNinja | i feel im pretty competant at programmoring but somewhat bad at graphics |
| 07:16.38 | jargon | since 1989 |
| 07:16.59 | jargon | in 1997 i made most of the progress |
| 07:17.11 | jargon | overa course of 4 months during summer break |
| 07:17.23 | DeadlyNinja | do you already have a webpage for it? |
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| 07:17.57 | jargon | i need to reupload the webpage to source forge |
| 07:18.12 | jargon | like 1200 screen shots of various stages of development |
| 07:18.30 | jargon | plus i need to remake my import tool |
| 07:18.49 | jargon | that reconstructs the screenies of all the levels |
| 07:18.53 | jargon | from over the years |
| 07:18.53 | DeadlyNinja | hey whats the general #debian feeling about ubuntu as a whole ? |
| 07:18.57 | maddash | hi, I'm looking to install etch on my laptop. I've only got about 192 ram and 500 mhz, so I'll need the bare minimal for a gui. is there some way I could do a minimal install of etch and then slap on x-window-system-core later on? |
| 07:19.13 | jargon | in the beginning each level was its own script |
| 07:19.22 | jargon | written in basica and gwbasic |
| 07:19.25 | fireba11 | maddash: use netinstall-cd |
| 07:19.41 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, i just sort of did that, debootstrap, but it leaves stuff in a pretty basic, unconfigured state |
| 07:19.42 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: who ... fucking ... cares ... |
| 07:20.02 | maddash | fireball: and I'll be selecting packages that I want? |
| 07:20.02 | Guerin | maddash: you can run anything, including kde or gnome, on that, and comfortably |
| 07:20.23 | Guerin | maddash: i ran kde for about a year on a p2-233 with 256MB |
| 07:20.24 | maddash | fireball: it's x-window-system-core, right? b/c that was what I installed during my bare bones ubuntu setup |
| 07:20.24 | nvz | you need bare minimum on a 500mhz w/ 192mb ram??? |
| 07:20.33 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, well its just #ubuntu is the benefactor for all the work behind debian, i just figured #debian would be pissed |
| 07:20.42 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: WTF?> |
| 07:20.49 | maddash | nvz: believe it or not, I do...I've been scarred by ubuntu-server. haha. |
| 07:20.52 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: you are misunderstood |
| 07:21.00 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: debian is the base for ubuntu, not the other way around |
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| 07:21.08 | maddash | deadlyninja: what is "debootstrap"? |
| 07:21.31 | Guerin | maddash: don't use debootstrap, just use the install cd |
| 07:21.43 | DeadlyNinja | maddash debootstrap is a ~50k? util that installs a very basic system |
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| 07:21.46 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja is on the brown acid |
| 07:22.00 | DeadlyNinja | Guerin, hah what is the brown acid |
| 07:22.13 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: nobody takes someone elses work and runs off and benefits from it.. its all open, anything one person improves all can use |
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| 07:22.16 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: the stuff your parents weren't supposed to eat at woodstock |
| 07:22.18 | DeadlyNinja | if you come from gentoo, you could appreciate debootstrap |
| 07:22.25 | maddash | guerin, deadlyninja: debootstrap or not? I'm confused... |
| 07:22.42 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: there are hundreds of debian spinoffs, and there are just as many places we get our code from |
| 07:22.51 | Guerin | maddash: just use the install cd, you'll end up with a minimal system clocking in under 500MB including X |
| 07:22.55 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, yeah but ubuntu took all the users |
| 07:23.02 | zoddan | hi |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: haha |
| 07:23.08 | nvz | DeadlyNinja: bah |
| 07:23.09 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: you're delusional |
| 07:23.11 | zoddan | god morning to you all :) |
| 07:23.15 | Azar | DeadlyNinja: THANKS GOD they took 'em |
| 07:23.24 | DeadlyNinja | Guerin, im so not delusional |
| 07:23.33 | Azar | finally ubuntu is good at something |
| 07:23.34 | DeadlyNinja | Guerin, there are more ubuntu users than debian users |
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| 07:23.44 | nvz | Guerin: he might have forgot his sign, but he's certainly stupid ;) |
| 07:23.44 | Guerin | DeadlyNinja: this is not zero-sum |
| 07:24.01 | fireba11 | it's not about having the most users anyway |
| 07:24.09 | maddash | guerin: 500? ubuntu was only ~200 including X... |
| 07:24.16 | Guerin | a bunch of users with particular needs went off to ubuntu, but a. not all came from debian b. most use it for specific tasks c. many are new gnu/linux users |
| 07:24.25 | Guerin | maddash: i did say UNDER |
| 07:24.28 | Azar | DeadlyNinja: I assume you are one of them |
| 07:24.39 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, dont use debootstrap unless you know a lot about linux |
| 07:24.44 | Guerin | fireba11: right. Quality > quantity. |
| 07:24.46 | maddash | guerin: sorry, read it wrong, sounded like "just under 500" |
| 07:25.01 | Guerin | maddash: well, it would be JUST under if you install, say, KDE |
| 07:25.11 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, debootstrap is the "do it yourself" way and its hard, i use it to install to places without cd drives and such |
| 07:25.24 | nvz | KDE comes with everything including the kitchensync |
| 07:25.31 | nvz | !info kitchensync |
| 07:25.31 | Azar | ubuntu is ideal for mswindows escapees |
| 07:25.36 | dpkg | kitchensync: (Synchronization framework), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2444 kB |
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| 07:25.40 | DeadlyNinja | Azar, I have debian on my laptop, ubuntu on my usb key, and gentoo on my desktop |
| 07:25.41 | fireba11 | after all it's not that bad .. ubuntu gets a lot fo the people new to linux that might be overchallenged with debian anyway |
| 07:25.43 | Guerin | heh, best name evar |
| 07:25.54 | Guerin | yeah, more power to 'em |
| 07:26.01 | Guerin | it's just important to get facts right |
| 07:26.04 | black_13 | where can i manuall down the debian source dep source packages? |
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| 07:26.26 | Azar | DeadlyNinja: why I don't wonder a gentoobie could not say the things more clear than you did |
| 07:26.28 | Guerin | it's not like you hear debian users crowing overmuch about how ubuntu would be nothing without debian, so it'd be seemly to not do the reverse |
| 07:26.45 | DeadlyNinja | Azar, what does that sentence mean |
| 07:26.56 | Guerin | black_13: speak english, please. |
| 07:27.01 | Azar | Guerin yep I doubt there are debian users going to other distro's irc making fuss |
| 07:27.17 | Guerin | Azar: omg lets go troll teh #ubuntu lolz |
| 07:27.33 | black_13 | i want to download the debian source package for 2.6.8 kernel sources |
| 07:27.33 | fireba11 | ubuntu attracts a lot of former windows-only users so i don't mind :-) |
| 07:27.37 | Azar | "they" keep coming here like turkeys |
| 07:27.43 | Azar | haha |
| 07:27.46 | Guerin | black_13: it's on packages.debian.org |
| 07:27.49 | fireba11 | black_13: apt-get it |
| 07:28.15 | black_13 | firebal1 im bootstraping a laptop |
| 07:28.25 | black_13 | i can download with windows |
| 07:28.32 | DeadlyNinja | Azar, that hostility is why debian dwindles |
| 07:29.03 | maddash | wait a sec - how optimized for a 686 is debian? |
| 07:29.11 | black_13 | DeadlyNinja i concur |
| 07:29.31 | Azar | DeadlyNinja: as a debian user I am sincerely profoundly greateful for ubuntu's existance, honestly. |
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| 07:29.33 | frenchninja | wow, two ninjas |
| 07:29.36 | nvz | thats like saying flatulance is why the ozone is depleting |
| 07:29.37 | De_Mon | !proposed-updates |
| 07:29.38 | dpkg | [proposed-updates] at 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/' |
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| 07:29.57 | Azar | DeadlyNinja: is not hostility, is the truth I am trying to tell you |
| 07:29.59 | DeadlyNinja | oh crap, i have competition |
| 07:30.02 | fireba11 | maddash: use a kernel optimized for your cpu nd you're pretty much done ... rest will make little difference |
| 07:30.49 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, i have a gentoo system with everything compiled with insanity flags and its not much faster |
| 07:31.10 | maddash | deadlyninja: what flags? |
| 07:31.11 | fireba11 | DeadlyNinja: that's why imho gentoo is a waste of cpu time :-) |
| 07:31.27 | ndowens | when i was usin gentoo it seems to run slower for me than debian(much faster to me) lol |
| 07:31.34 | Guerin | maddash: optimisation of most packages is pointless. INstall the 686 build of libc6 and a 686 kernel and you're practically there |
| 07:31.34 | maddash | oh man, and here I was considering installing gentoo |
| 07:31.42 | DeadlyNinja | fireba11, gentoo is such a waste of cpu time |
| 07:31.47 | frenchninja | gah, gentoo |
| 07:31.49 | Guerin | !gentoosmite maddash |
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| 07:31.56 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, gentoo is freaking awesome if you are a control freak |
| 07:32.06 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, you can choose whatever flags you want for any package |
| 07:32.13 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, it just takes forever |
| 07:32.14 | sep | DeadlyNinja, and have a awful shitload of spare time. :) |
| 07:32.17 | Guerin | and ever |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | amen |
| 07:32.36 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 07:32.39 | DeadlyNinja | indeed |
| 07:32.50 | Guerin | juk is bar-none the worst media player I have ever fucking set eyes upon |
| 07:32.54 | nvz | Guerin: mind you 0.7% of 7 hours is a lot more than 0.7% of 7 seconds |
| 07:33.08 | sep | does not meen gentoo is bad tho. just means it dont suit my needs :) |
| 07:33.09 | DeadlyNinja | no .002 dollars == .002 cents |
| 07:33.23 | ndowens | maddash: to tell you the truth, i am liking debian better than gentoo, don't seem to lag as much sometimes and come close to freezing up on things |
| 07:33.29 | maddash | deadlyninja: LOL you read the slashdot article? |
| 07:33.40 | SubStack | wasn't that a daily wtf? |
| 07:33.40 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, i think i read it on digg, ugh |
| 07:34.00 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, that guy finally got his money back |
| 07:34.12 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, , theres a follow up out there somewhere |
| 07:34.12 | maddash | found it on slashdot while browsing the articles with "lame" tag |
| 07:34.14 | nvz | Guerin: Randy Travis? |
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| 07:34.18 | De_Mon | when is etch freezing? |
| 07:34.22 | str4 | unsure |
| 07:34.42 | Guerin | De_Mon: when it's cold enough |
| 07:35.04 | ndowens | De_Mon: it seems to be frozen already, just gonna take some time |
| 07:35.16 | De_Mon | readinv voip-maintainers and they are going to switch to working on asterisk 1.4 after etch freezes "in a few days" 12/9/06 |
| 07:35.18 | Guerin | it's not properly frozen yet |
| 07:35.33 | YeTr2 | ofer0: the pcmcia card now magically works o.x |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | De_Mon: is that stupid dates or proper date format? |
| 07:35.46 | De_Mon | it doesnt look frozen to mee |
| 07:35.46 | ndowens | o. seems like i seen an article that said etch was frozen in late dec |
| 07:36.10 | De_Mon | Guerin yes |
| 07:36.21 | Guerin | De_Mon: it was not a yes/no question |
| 07:36.24 | nvz | ndowens: frozen like water on the cold ground, not so much like ice in a tray |
| 07:36.27 | DeadlyNinja | i cant find a good article about initramfs for debian, anyone here know a good page? |
| 07:36.38 | ndowens | nvz: k |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | applicable answers are `stupid' `proper' or `eh'? |
| 07:37.36 | nvz | nature frozen, not nurture frozen |
| 07:37.43 | nayyares | i just installed postfix,dovecot, squirrelmail server, when i click on compose and address link, it give me error "Could not include PEAR database functions required for the database backend." |
| 07:38.18 | Cyis | it's interesting to find a path from your GPG key to another when you got time to kill |
| 07:38.21 | raf256 | happy 2007 everyine |
| 07:38.32 | DeadlyNinja | im trying to convert my usb key root filesystem from ext2 to jffs2 so i can have transparent runtime compression, but to do that i have to do some funny loopback-style mountings, anyone know a good initramfs page for debian or ubuntu systems? |
| 07:38.35 | ndowens | u 2 raf256 |
| 07:38.52 | maddash | will ubuntu packages work on debian? |
| 07:39.06 | Azar | maddash: no |
| 07:39.09 | raf256 | maddash: why not upgrade to ubuntu fully when you have its packs already |
| 07:39.13 | Cyis | maddash: no... that's crazy talk |
| 07:39.18 | maddash | LOL |
| 07:39.40 | maddash | so are there any debian equivalents to ubuntu's w32codecs? |
| 07:39.48 | raf256 | !give maddash mplayer |
| 07:39.53 | raf256 | eh |
| 07:39.56 | Azar | maddash: nope |
| 07:39.59 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, w32codecs was for debian first |
| 07:40.02 | raf256 | maddash: yes |
| 07:40.08 | maddash | huh?? |
| 07:40.10 | raf256 | Azar: do not confuse people |
| 07:40.10 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, some packages, such that that one, probably will work on both |
| 07:40.11 | maddash | yes or no? |
| 07:40.24 | Azar | raf256: sorry I was looping |
| 07:40.26 | raf256 | maddash: yess add separate repository called debian multimedia or merilliat, ask dpkg |
| 07:40.28 | raf256 | !mierilliat |
| 07:40.29 | maddash | deadlyninja: so do I issue "sudo dpkg -i"? |
| 07:40.33 | raf256 | !merilliat |
| 07:40.37 | maddash | ... |
| 07:40.38 | Cyis | Debian makes the package... Ubuntu bastardizes the package... Ubuntu users come screaming to Debian Developers to fix package... |
| 07:40.44 | maddash | LOL |
| 07:40.45 | Cyis | it's an ugly, vicious cycle |
| 07:40.46 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, yeah that will work |
| 07:41.05 | DeadlyNinja | maddash, if you find it didnt actually work (mplayer cant play asf, etc) then uninstall it |
| 07:41.09 | Azar | Cyis: that's prostitution |
| 07:41.29 | nvz | ugh I am over getting dressed for a pointless 3am walk and now I am starting to feel tired.. had I got my ass up 4 hours ago maybe I;d be asleep right now |
| 07:41.38 | Cyis | Azar: ok... now I have to ask... how did you break it down to that? cause I don't see it |
| 07:41.38 | ndowens | maddash: it really isn't supported by debian to do that nor recommended |
| 07:42.08 | DeadlyNinja | ndowens, the package he is referring to is actually a debian package last i looked |
| 07:42.19 | Azar | Cyis: I just had a flash vision of the process |
| 07:42.19 | DeadlyNinja | w32codecs package was aroudn before there was an ubuntu |
| 07:42.34 | ndowens | DeadlyNinja: well last that i seen was he was asking if he could use ubuntu pkgs |
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| 07:42.56 | nvz | w32codecs is _not_ and never will be a debian package it violates policy |
| 07:43.09 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, but it was made for debian systems |
| 07:43.11 | Cyis | the problem is that the w32codecs don't meet the DFSG so won't be easily packaged... |
| 07:43.19 | DeadlyNinja | nvz, its not an official ubuntu package either |
| 07:43.25 | Cyis | it will not be an official Debian package |
| 07:43.36 | nvz | its available from debian-multimedia as a 3rd party package by chrisitian marillat |
| 07:43.39 | ndowens | could be in contrib most likely non-free couldn't it? |
| 07:43.42 | jargon | how the hell am i supposed to use source forge once my project has been approved? |
| 07:44.03 | Azar | maddash: just using an analogy, I assume you need learning to walk before you run: start with the base, use debian then if you like move to ubuntu. |
| 07:44.04 | Cyis | ndowens: yeah if a DD wanted to maintain a contrib or non-free package... personally I avoid doing so at all costs |
| 07:44.11 | hark | maddash: get it from debian-multimedia instead |
| 07:44.18 | maddash | azar: i did the opposite |
| 07:44.30 | ndowens | Cyis: k |
| 07:44.32 | maddash | hark: i assume that's equivalent to w32codecs? |
| 07:44.33 | Azar | maddash: and you got what? at least confused |
| 07:44.34 | hark | !tell maddash about debian-multimedia |
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| 07:45.30 | maddash | thanks. I can use aptitude instead apt-get, rah? apt-get doesn' remove dependencies with packages.... |
| 07:45.36 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:45.43 | Guerin | you should use aptitude for everything |
| 07:45.57 | Guerin | Cyis: that's so wrong |
| 07:45.58 | Cyis | aptitude is the new apt-get... |
| 07:46.16 | ndowens | maddash: aptitude will only remove orphan deps if aptitude was used to install a pkg |
| 07:46.29 | Cyis | Guerin: tell me about it... trying to sync the old IMAP server to the new one... 34GB of mail total... 10 users account for 24GB of it |
| 07:46.34 | Azar | Guerin: you say is ok to dizzy Debian by combining aptitude with apt-get? |
| 07:46.54 | Cyis | the other 50+ users account for the remaining 10GB |
| 07:46.54 | Guerin | Azar: no, always use aptitude. |
| 07:47.04 | maddash | ndowens: hence my question |
| 07:47.14 | Guerin | Cyis: i blame word document attachments |
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| 07:47.24 | Cyis | Guerin: probably... |
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| 07:47.37 | Cyis | Guerin: but it will soon be considered "NMP" :) |
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| 07:47.45 | Guerin | Cyis: nice |
| 07:47.45 | maddash | ok, net-inst cd of etch is done. brb. wish me luck. haha. |
| 07:47.56 | AM|R | i got problem You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 07:47.57 | AM|R | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:48.05 | Guerin | AM|R: don't paste |
| 07:48.09 | Azar | I would start recommending that new and future documentation on Debian references to start replacing "apt-get" with "aptitude" |
| 07:48.09 | AM|R | oki |
| 07:48.12 | AM|R | sorry |
| 07:48.22 | Guerin | AM|R: just do what it tells you, and put the output on paster if it doesn't fix yo shit |
| 07:48.29 | Cyis | after I get this new server online and operational the outside consultant the suits hired to deploy their Exchange server will deal with converting their mailboxes from IMAP to Exchange... and most of the larger mailboxes will go to Exchange... |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | AM|R: no, that was pre-emptive. Two lines is ok. |
| 07:48.51 | Guerin | argh, sexchange with 34G of mail |
| 07:48.53 | Guerin | the pain |
| 07:48.55 | Guerin | the horror |
| 07:49.19 | Cyis | Guerin: Again... NMP :) |
| 07:49.24 | AM|R | Guerin: i got prob: which need me to apt-get -f install |
| 07:49.36 | Guerin | AM|R: so do it already |
| 07:50.07 | AM|R | The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:50.16 | Guerin | no problem |
| 07:50.21 | Guerin | it's a metapackage |
| 07:50.30 | AM|R | yes this msg appear The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:50.41 | Guerin | let it happen |
| 07:50.49 | Guerin | AM|R: that is an empty package |
| 07:51.10 | AM|R | Guerin: how to fix it? |
| 07:51.23 | Guerin | AM|R: just DO WHAT IT FUCKING SAYS |
| 07:51.50 | AM|R | it say : Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
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| 07:51.57 | AM|R | it seem dangerous |
| 07:51.59 | AM|R | ? |
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| 07:52.08 | Azar | damn that's scary |
| 07:52.13 | Guerin | mm, is that not a metapackage, then |
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| 07:52.26 | Guerin | remove it, then |
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| 07:52.40 | ragnul | er... |
| 07:52.40 | Guerin | or remove whatever's causing it to be removed |
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| 07:52.47 | ragnul | it's the running, working kernel |
| 07:53.04 | Azar | what if you try "aptitude" without -f ? |
| 07:53.04 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 07:53.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:53.05 | Guerin | as long as you don't reboot or change any hardware between now and reinstalling it, there's no harm |
| 07:53.20 | Guerin | bollocks, this is fine |
| 07:53.24 | Azar | yay rahul! |
| 07:53.32 | rahul | yay me |
| 07:53.43 | rahul | I'll show you bollocks |
| 07:54.07 | rahul | damn, mile marker zero rocks |
| 07:54.17 | rahul | and they're cool people, heh |
| 07:54.25 | rahul | the lead singer has a smoking hot girlfriend |
| 07:54.26 | Guerin | AM|R: so, you have your choices: either remove it or remove whatever's causing it to want removal |
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| 07:54.47 | AM|R | its remove the /boot |
| 07:54.48 | AM|R | uh |
| 07:54.56 | Guerin | ok, no sweat |
| 07:55.01 | Guerin | AM|R: is it done? |
| 07:55.11 | rahul | do not lose power |
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| 07:55.19 | Guerin | indeed |
| 07:55.23 | rahul | otherwise you're in trouble :) |
| 07:55.24 | Azar | I had same issue with aptitude upgrade: it was insisting to remove my xfree86, after e-mailing the bug, I got the recommendation to reinstall aptitude |
| 07:55.30 | idan | im connected to ftp via cli. how can i get the whole ftp dirs+subdirs+files into a dir i want? (get ./* /www/htdocs/<my folder>) and it will be the same as the ftp? |
| 07:55.50 | Guerin | idan: use lftp for less pain |
| 07:55.51 | rahul | idan: you want to use lftp |
| 07:55.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:55.58 | Guerin | scary |
| 07:55.58 | rahul | heh |
| 07:55.59 | idan | thanks :) |
| 07:56.00 | rahul | scary |
| 07:56.08 | Guerin | AM|R: hello? |
| 07:56.13 | AM|R | Guerin: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.63) but it is not installable |
| 07:56.16 | ozzloy | i plugged in a webcam, dmesg shows a driver being loaded for it, but there's no /dev/video*, where is it? |
| 07:56.25 | AM|R | Guerin: helps me |
| 07:56.27 | Guerin | AM|R: now we're cooking. |
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| 07:56.42 | Guerin | AM|R: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:56.44 | rahul | oy I'm tired |
| 07:56.45 | AM|R | Guerin: /boot/kernel* were deleted |
| 07:56.46 | idan | and what is the command i need to do in lftp? |
| 07:56.53 | rahul | idan: "help get" |
| 07:57.03 | Guerin | idan: -e 'mirror something blah .' |
| 07:57.03 | idan | ty |
| 07:57.09 | Azar | AM|R: don't be scared: as long as you do not reboot yet you are ok |
| 07:57.14 | AM|R | ok |
| 07:57.22 | rahul | oh, yeah, mirror |
| 07:57.27 | Guerin | AM|R: does apt-cache search linux-image give you a list of kernels? |
| 07:57.30 | Cyis | anyone got any ideas on how to speed up an rsync command? |
| 07:57.31 | rahul | "help" works best :) |
| 07:57.32 | Azar | look at Guerin and do what he say, AM|R |
| 07:57.39 | Guerin | Cyis: get a faster network |
| 07:57.56 | Cyis | Guerin: I was wondering if any command-line options would make a difference |
| 07:57.57 | Guerin | rsync is pretty freaking fast |
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| 07:58.00 | rahul | Cyis: adjust md5sum block sizes |
| 07:58.01 | Guerin | not usually |
| 07:58.02 | AM|R | Guerin: yes |
| 07:58.06 | idan | get -c ./ /www/htdocs/theftpdir ? |
| 07:58.19 | AM|R | Guerin: so what should i do next? |
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| 07:58.26 | Guerin | AM|R: what cpu do you have? |
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| 07:58.45 | AM|R | linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 07:58.51 | AM|R | im using PIII |
| 07:58.58 | AM|R | is that fit me? |
| 07:58.59 | Guerin | AM|R: install that one |
| 07:59.01 | idan | rahul, Guerin: ? |
| 07:59.02 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:59.08 | Azar | on Sarge? |
| 07:59.10 | Guerin | idan: i dunno, rtfm |
| 07:59.10 | AM|R | so i just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 07:59.17 | AM|R | on unstable |
| 07:59.20 | idan | thats what i did, but i dont understand it. |
| 07:59.21 | Azar | ah cool |
| 07:59.23 | Guerin | AM|R: that's the problem; he WAS running sarge but is no longer |
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| 07:59.49 | Azar | he fell in the unstable hole |
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| 07:59.55 | Guerin | idan: look at the mirror command. It does just what you want, you feed it a source and a destination and it's happy |
| 08:00.06 | Guerin | AM|R: could be etch, I have no idea |
| 08:00.15 | Cyis | rahul: eh? right now I'm just calling with -rav options |
| 08:00.18 | AM|R | hehe |
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| 08:00.36 | AM|R | Guerin: after the apt-get, what is the next step.. damn u all help a lots |
| 08:00.45 | Guerin | AM|R: installing that package worked? |
| 08:00.52 | Azar | AM|R: try using "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" |
| 08:01.05 | Guerin | AM|R: slowly slowly |
| 08:01.12 | Guerin | Azar: slowly slowly |
| 08:01.12 | AM|R | Guerin: yep seem worked.. still downloding |
| 08:01.20 | AM|R | :) |
| 08:01.22 | rahul | Cyis: -B, --block-size=SIZE force a fixed checksum block-size |
| 08:01.25 | Guerin | well, it hasn't worked yet, then |
| 08:01.33 | AM|R | Guerin: faster faster |
| 08:01.33 | AM|R | ok |
| 08:01.45 | Azar | dam cybersex |
| 08:01.55 | Guerin | slowly slowly catchy monkey, as my mum always said |
| 08:01.59 | rahul | !hump Azar |
| 08:02.05 | Guerin | not that she's ever been in a position to catch a monkey |
| 08:02.12 | Azar | :) feels surprisingly nice |
| 08:02.13 | ozzloy | "testdrives" heh |
| 08:02.35 | Cyis | rahul: got a recommendation on the size to use? This is IMAP Maildir mailboxes |
| 08:02.47 | Guerin | Cyis: less than your ram |
| 08:02.54 | ozzloy | where would my webcam device be after plugging in? it's not /dev/video |
| 08:02.56 | rahul | Cyis: oh, it's not going to make a diff for that |
| 08:02.58 | AM|R | All: still working |
| 08:03.06 | Guerin | but if it's maildirs, millions of tiny files, give up |
| 08:03.08 | RvGaTe | \o/ morning people |
| 08:03.16 | ozzloy | morning RvGaTe |
| 08:03.22 | Cyis | would using compress hinder or help then? |
| 08:03.29 | Azar | hello honorable RvGaTe |
| 08:03.33 | Guerin | ozzloy: dev/pr0n? |
| 08:03.42 | Guerin | Cyis: compress should help |
| 08:03.48 | ozzloy | Guerin: ah, cool thanks! |
| 08:03.49 | Guerin | Cyis: but iirc it's on by default |
| 08:03.54 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:03.54 | AM|R | Guerin: done |
| 08:03.56 | RvGaTe | Azar, thats the best "good morning" i ever heard |
| 08:04.03 | AM|R | Guerin: next? |
| 08:04.07 | Guerin | AM|R: now run apt-get install aptitude |
| 08:04.11 | Azar | :) |
| 08:04.28 | RvGaTe | Azar, thx for the good starter |
| 08:05.29 | AM|R | Guerin: done, next? |
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| 08:05.56 | Azar | well good night from here in LA, got to catch 5 hours sleep |
| 08:06.14 | Guerin | AM|R: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 08:06.21 | EdwardElric | where do i set which account receives system emails instead of root? |
| 08:06.33 | Guerin | AM|R: from now on never use apt-get - only use aptitude |
| 08:06.33 | RvGaTe | Guerin, you must be in a completely different timezone then i am, i can remember we 'talked' at 2am this morning... either you didn't sleep at all, or just dont need that much sleep... |
| 08:06.49 | Guerin | RvGaTe: i am in GMT+13 or so |
| 08:07.00 | Guerin | i just had dinner |
| 08:07.08 | RvGaTe | Guerin, i just arived at work :P |
| 08:07.22 | AM|R | Guerin: is done after the command aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 08:07.47 | Guerin | since you went to bed I've taken three books worth of research notes, gone shopping, done three loads of washing, made and eatne dinner, had four beers and rolled two joints |
| 08:08.00 | Guerin | AM|R: no, done isn't a command you need to run |
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| 08:08.48 | AM|R | Guerin: ermm.. is there a next step after the - aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 08:09.01 | Guerin | AM|R: depends if it finishes cleanly |
| 08:09.49 | EdwardElric | where do i set which account receives system emails instead of root? i didnt setup the system, a datacenter did and im not sure where my system emails are going heh. |
| 08:10.01 | AM|R | Guerin: if it cleanly.. so its work? Guerin what is the different between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 08:10.06 | Guerin | EdwardElric: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:10.12 | EdwardElric | ty sir :) |
| 08:10.19 | Guerin | AM|R: aptitude is better |
| 08:10.30 | Guerin | AM|R: ok, it worked? run update-grub |
| 08:11.07 | AM|R | Guerin: still in progress.. hope it works |
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| 08:12.26 | AM|R | Guerin: need to wait because.. huge of packages are install |
| 08:12.37 | Guerin | AM|R: goodgood |
| 08:13.21 | AM|R | Guerin: you r good |
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| 08:13.37 | fireba11 | EdwardElric: you might also just look at /etc/aliases |
| 08:13.52 | PingFloyd | aptitude, in a sense, was the next step |
| 08:13.59 | EdwardElric | too late, ty anyways :) |
| 08:14.05 | PingFloyd | does everything apt-get does and more |
| 08:14.32 | AM|R | :) |
| 08:14.42 | PingFloyd | sounds toxic |
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| 08:14.52 | Guerin | mm, good point |
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| 08:15.07 | fireba11 | Guerin: doubt that load of security HOLES will filter anything .-) |
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| 08:15.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:15.20 | yggdrasil | hi |
| 08:15.32 | PingFloyd | it will filter out user usage |
| 08:15.42 | Guerin | nah, this was 95 |
| 08:15.49 | Guerin | it couldn't filter out a damn thing |
| 08:16.12 | Guerin | hope it doesn't crash my spliff |
| 08:16.17 | FuriousRage | hi, a few days ago i did an apt-get remove courier ect, but today when i check ps axu it listed courier several times, doesnt apt-get remove stop the daemon and remove it from /etc/init.d/ and stuff like that? also now when i run apt-get remove courier it cant find it. |
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| 08:16.56 | fireba11 | FuriousRage: courier consists of several sub-packages .. did you remove all of them ? |
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| 08:17.08 | AM|R | Guerin: another 6 minutes.. |
| 08:17.20 | FuriousRage | fireba11: probably not, how to check which one of those i still got? |
| 08:17.45 | PingFloyd | dpkg -l courier |
| 08:17.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching courier |
| 08:17.56 | PingFloyd | would be even easier if you had been using aptitude though |
| 08:18.01 | Cyis | if I never deal with another courier system after converting this one from courier to dovecot I'll be a happy man |
| 08:18.18 | PingFloyd | lol @ dpkg |
| 08:18.25 | Guerin | Cyis: how's the sasl authentication on dovecot? And how are virtual user/pass lookups from sql? |
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| 08:18.53 | FuriousRage | fireba11: No packages found matching courier. |
| 08:18.59 | Cyis | Guerin: SQL, LDAP, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, PAM, passwd-like file ... |
| 08:19.06 | LlamaNade | will a sata 3.0 drive work on a sata1.5 controller |
| 08:19.16 | Cyis | I also have Postfix using Dovecot for the SASL auth as well |
| 08:19.16 | Guerin | Cyis: i mean, how hard is it to get working, etc? |
| 08:19.25 | Cyis | Guerin: not hard at all |
| 08:19.37 | moshii | Guerin: dovecot? install then enable imap |
| 08:19.46 | Guerin | mm, my courier setup was a fucking nightmare |
| 08:19.49 | Cyis | wonderfully easy and less of a headache than saslauthd |
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| 08:20.03 | Guerin | but now it's been up and working for a few years I'm loath to touch it |
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| 08:20.14 | Guerin | yeah, saslauthd is demonic |
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| 08:20.28 | fireba11 | Cyis: am thinking about using it on my new server .. |
| 08:20.47 | Cyis | Guerin: we're using PAM auth plus a passwd-like file for a single static username/passwd for legacy purposes |
| 08:20.48 | fireba11 | FuriousRage: hmmm ... |
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| 08:21.15 | Guerin | Cyis: mine is all virtualised so I don't have to worry about eejit users not using ssl/tls |
| 08:21.20 | Cyis | PAM because we plan to move to using an LDAP server for centralized account management and moving from PAM to LDAP is simpler than from other methods |
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| 08:21.27 | Guerin | yeh |
| 08:21.44 | Guerin | mine is all in mysql, which is a waste of space with only a few dozen users |
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| 08:21.52 | nayyares | i have installed squirrelmail and i am getting error, when click on compose link, "Is PEAR installed, and is the include path set correctly to find DB.php?" i searched DB.php but it is not in my system, while $whereis pear, gives tells that pear is installed ? |
| 08:21.57 | Cyis | Guerin: my client in CA uses Postfix+Dovecot+MySQL |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | nayyares: #php might know |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | nayyares: did you install the debian squirrelmail package? (if not, why not?) |
| 08:22.50 | Cyis | my previous personal mail system was Postfix+Cyrus+LDAP |
| 08:22.52 | nayyares | Guerin, no from source |
| 08:22.59 | Guerin | nayyares: install the debian package |
| 08:23.00 | fireba11 | Cyis: am curious .. your personal reasons for postfix ? am using exim4 right now ... :-) |
| 08:23.05 | Cyis | nayyares: are you running Debian? |
| 08:23.13 | FuriousRage | fireba11: heres a wild guess, when i did remove courier, courier-imap, while the server still was running, it staid there, but i ran a stop on those and they now vanished perhaps? |
| 08:23.27 | nayyares | yes |
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| 08:23.38 | fireba11 | FuriousRage: possible |
| 08:23.40 | Guerin | planning on doing mysql->postgresql, apache1->apache2 and courier->dovecot when etch stabilises |
| 08:23.48 | Cyis | fireba11: Well before Postfix I used Sendmail... never cared for Exim or Qmail... namely cause I didn't want to take time to learn them |
| 08:24.01 | PingFloyd | why from source? |
| 08:24.03 | fireba11 | oki |
| 08:24.06 | Guerin | gods, qmail |
| 08:24.08 | Cyis | nayyares: then installing by package rather than source is always the easiest route |
| 08:24.11 | Guerin | you are in luck |
| 08:24.17 | Cyis | Guerin: I had friends that swore by qmail |
| 08:24.20 | FuriousRage | fireba11: is it safe to just rm the courier files in /etc/init.d/ ? or is there a "better way" to remove those (on sarge) |
| 08:24.30 | Guerin | i believed the hype that because it was the second-most-deployed MTA in the world it must be great |
| 08:24.32 | PingFloyd | building from source when there is a package is making your life harder than need be |
| 08:24.40 | Guerin | Cyis: most people just swear about it |
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| 08:24.46 | cydork | Cyis: qmails sucks goats balls! :P |
| 08:24.46 | fireba11 | FuriousRage: you probably want to purge those packages, then config will be deleted too |
| 08:24.47 | Cyis | I'd say the key selling point on Postfix over Sendmail was how easy it was to use SQL or LDAP maps compared to Sendmail |
| 08:25.00 | Guerin | anything which acts as a spam-tripler in default config isn't fit for deployment |
| 08:25.12 | rshakin | anyone know how to restore the default root password on mysql install |
| 08:25.20 | FuriousRage | fireba11: hmm i checked installed packages in aptitude and it listed courier-core and courier-ssl but apt-get remove courier-ssl says its not installed |
| 08:25.24 | PingFloyd | FuriousRage: it's better to purge instead |
| 08:25.28 | Guerin | rshakin: there is no default root password on a mysql install |
| 08:25.28 | Cyis | rshakin: restart mysql without the authentication loaded |
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| 08:26.02 | rshakin | Cyis: how would i do that ? and then enable it again |
| 08:26.03 | Cyis | Guerin: I think he means that he removed the root user from mysql.user completely |
| 08:26.04 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd: fireba11: how do i purge? |
| 08:26.09 | Cyis | rshakin: RTFM |
| 08:26.29 | PingFloyd | FuriousRage: what is the symbol next to it to the left? |
| 08:26.37 | fireba11 | FuriousRage: apt-get remove --purge .. you need to do itvia dpkg for stuff not currently installed |
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| 08:27.34 | PingFloyd | FuriousRage: if it's a 'c', that explains why |
| 08:27.41 | Cyis | rshakin: the MySQL docs detail how to do it.. I'm battling my 6 month old kitten to be able to type :) |
| 08:27.54 | FuriousRage | fireba11 didnt remove the sh files for courier |
| 08:27.57 | PingFloyd | though it should probably show up on 'not installed' section |
| 08:28.08 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd: dont remember, i pressed - and went g |
| 08:28.35 | PingFloyd | pressed '_'? |
| 08:28.45 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd - as in "remove" |
| 08:28.49 | PingFloyd | that would be what to press to purge within aptitude's gui |
| 08:28.49 | Cyis | this lil ball of fur is a knocking my mouse all over the place ;) |
| 08:29.17 | PingFloyd | '-' only removes it but leaves config file behind |
| 08:29.48 | cubiq | Does anyone know how I can save the backtrace from gdb to a file? |
| 08:29.56 | PingFloyd | anything that has the letter c on the left means it's removed (uninstalled) but has residual configuration left behind |
| 08:30.10 | PingFloyd | p will mean completely purged |
| 08:30.28 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd: now aptitude shows those packages with a 'p' |
| 08:30.29 | cydork | rshakin: use mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables! then you can change the password |
| 08:31.01 | PingFloyd | FuriousRage: if everything worked as it should, it should've cleaned out the residual configuration files how you wanted |
| 08:31.11 | Guerin | AM|R: what's happening? |
| 08:31.13 | PingFloyd | since it now shows p |
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| 08:31.45 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd: well /etc/init.d/ still have courier-imap courier-authdaemon courier-imap-ssl. |
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| 08:32.00 | Guerin | FuriousRage: remove 'em manually, then |
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| 08:32.05 | PingFloyd | you might do some browsing between dependencies and 'packages that depend on' to see if there was anything unneeded that was overlooked |
| 08:32.27 | AM|R | Guerin: after update-grub |
| 08:32.35 | PingFloyd | or even better |
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| 08:32.58 | FuriousRage | PingFloyd: ah, when i searched for 'courier-base' it showed both that and courier-ssl still installed ;> |
| 08:33.19 | PingFloyd | you can also hit 'l' in place '/' to have it filter instead of just search |
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| 08:33.30 | PingFloyd | then hit [ and ] to expand the sections |
| 08:33.35 | Guerin | man |
| 08:33.42 | Guerin | people actually use the aptitude UI? |
| 08:33.46 | Guerin | who knew |
| 08:33.49 | PingFloyd | I do |
| 08:33.54 | PingFloyd | it can be handy sometimes |
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| 08:34.17 | PingFloyd | but when wanting something done quick and dirty, it's nice having aptitude via command line |
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| 08:34.22 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 08:34.35 | PingFloyd | it's like the best of both worlds |
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| 08:34.52 | AM|R | Guerin: after update-grub .. got dc |
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| 08:35.04 | samuel | how can I copy a whole bunch of files keeping their ownership and permissions intact? |
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| 08:35.18 | tarzeau | samuel: rsync or cp -p ? |
| 08:35.31 | tarzeau | samuel: or make a tar archive? |
| 08:35.37 | spo0nman | how can i find out which subnet a machine is in? without logging in or doing a ifconfig? |
| 08:35.46 | tarzeau | spo0nman: you can't, really |
| 08:35.59 | spo0nman | tarzeau: hmm. |
| 08:36.09 | samuel | tarzeau: thanks! tar archive! i never thought of that |
| 08:36.17 | karsten | samuel: ... or tar. |
| 08:36.17 | spo0nman | tarzeau: cant i do some operations with IP and 255.255. |
| 08:36.28 | karsten | spo0nman: Where's the machine? |
| 08:36.35 | FuriousRage | fireba11: thanks a bunch for the help. now its all gone, including the files ;> |
| 08:36.37 | karsten | spo0nman: Public or private ne? |
| 08:36.37 | tarzeau | spo0nman: no |
| 08:36.43 | karsten | spo0nman: s/net/ne/ |
| 08:36.48 | karsten | or vice versa... |
| 08:36.50 | spo0nman | karsten: public |
| 08:36.50 | Guerin | AM|R: did update-grub recognise your new kernel? |
| 08:37.03 | karsten | spo0nman: host -t <reversed-ip>.asn.routeviews.org |
| 08:37.20 | AM|R | Guerin: w8 |
| 08:37.30 | karsten | spo0nman: Will give the CIDR allocation. May not correspond to local network topography, but should be close. |
| 08:37.42 | karsten | spo0nman: host -t txt ... |
| 08:38.01 | AM|R | Guerin: Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 08:38.03 | AM|R | is it? |
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| 08:39.27 | karsten | It's a night! |
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| 08:39.27 | AM|R | Guerin: is it done? |
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| 08:39.41 | PingFloyd | I'm thinking about installing sid on another partition (while keeping sarge), I'm thinking it would probably be a bad idea to share /home between them. Am I right? |
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| 08:39.56 | Guerin | AM|R: happy days. Get yourself a fresh drink, say a prayer to your god of choice, and reboot. |
| 08:40.01 | Guerin | !bless AM|R |
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| 08:40.01 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child AM|R, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 08:40.32 | Guerin | PingFloyd: no, /home isn't normally vulnerable |
| 08:40.36 | AM|R | Guerin: god bless u 2:) |
| 08:40.37 | black_13 | does the debian source package contain everything need to build a working kernel? |
| 08:40.37 | Guerin | just keep it backed up someplace |
| 08:40.39 | karsten | PingFloyd: No, should be fine. |
| 08:40.53 | PingFloyd | Guerin: is it leaving the door open for conflict though? |
| 08:40.53 | fireba11 | black_13: you need kernel-headers too |
| 08:40.55 | karsten | black_13: No. You need a few additional bits. |
| 08:41.06 | black_13 | make-kpkg |
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| 08:41.14 | PingFloyd | with per user config files for instance |
| 08:41.26 | Guerin | PingFloyd: per-OS? usually needn't bother |
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| 08:41.35 | AM|R | Guerin: the server at the remote location.. i think let its run.. boot when the time needed.. from you experience.. is the problem solved? and it will rebooted as usually? |
| 08:41.41 | Guerin | karsten: not two girlfriends and a roommate? |
| 08:42.00 | Guerin | AM|R: it should. The only time to know is to test. |
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| 08:42.08 | Guerin | AM|R: i do hope this isn't a production machine |
| 08:42.09 | PingFloyd | cool, I'll give it shot like that then |
| 08:42.24 | karsten | Guerin: Do you really want to know? |
| 08:42.39 | Guerin | PingFloyd: sometimes, if an app version is substantially different, you may need separate config files |
| 08:42.48 | Guerin | but i struck this rarely |
| 08:42.55 | Guerin | (with emacs and firefox) |
| 08:43.01 | Guerin | karsten: say no more! |
| 08:43.14 | black_13 | which is it? |
| 08:43.34 | Guerin | AM|R: you can't really let it run, because the running kernel isn't there. |
| 08:43.36 | karsten | Guerin: I won't ;-) |
| 08:43.48 | Guerin | AM|R: you need to reboot into the new kernel or crazy shit could happen |
| 08:44.41 | Guerin | for instance, if you have any cheese in your fridge, the kernel could come alive and raid the cheese from your fridge |
| 08:44.53 | Cyis | hehe |
| 08:44.53 | fireba11 | haha |
| 08:45.01 | AM|R | ermm |
| 08:45.01 | AM|R | hehe |
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| 08:45.46 | PingFloyd | mine raids the cold chicken since he's related to kernel sanders |
| 08:45.55 | AM|R | ok i reboot the machine |
| 08:45.56 | Cyis | Guerin: I've got a friend who's married and has a gf... not a problem cause his wife's bf is his gf's husband |
| 08:46.20 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:46.35 | enouf | !gentoosmite pbelau |
| 08:46.41 | PingFloyd | Cyis: sounds like my kernel |
| 08:46.45 | raf256 | !smitesmite enouf |
| 08:46.58 | Guerin | see: computers like cheese: http://attrition.org/postal/z/033/0890.html |
| 08:47.13 | Guerin | Cyis: that's many different kinds of wrong |
| 08:47.13 | sid | !abuse |
| 08:47.13 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 08:47.25 | Guerin | Cyis: it'd be much saner if they just had a foursome |
| 08:47.27 | raf256 | Cyis: yey |
| 08:47.34 | PingFloyd | Cyis: I have no idea what exactly you meant, but it sounds like there is some inbreeding somewhere in there |
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| 08:47.42 | Guerin | PingFloyd: i don't think there is |
| 08:47.44 | Cyis | Guerin: but it really isn't a foursome |
| 08:47.47 | AM|R | Guerin: yes its worked.. thanks .. Linux linux 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:47.51 | Guerin | Cyis: that's what I'm saying |
| 08:48.16 | Guerin | AM|R: awesome. |
| 08:48.16 | AM|R | Guerin: i should buy you drink if i meet you :) |
| 08:48.22 | Cyis | it's just two married couples I know... the husbands are dating each others wives |
| 08:48.28 | Guerin | rahul: see! No danger at all ;) |
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| 08:48.55 | Guerin | Cyis: it's certainly efficient, in evolutionary terms |
| 08:49.57 | PingFloyd | they might as well be swingers |
| 08:50.04 | Guerin | AM|R: that would be grand, but I'm not going to be in malaysia any time soon. |
| 08:50.37 | Guerin | much as I'd love to be, it's one of three main countries in southeast asia I haven't been |
| 08:50.49 | Guerin | and the other places were awesome |
| 08:50.50 | Cyis | PingFloyd: nah... poly not swingers... not as casual as it's a closed group |
| 08:51.28 | Guerin | Cyis: my wife calls that `the love square'. |
| 08:51.39 | Guerin | should it frighten me that she's already thought of it? |
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| 08:52.41 | enouf | where the fucks this questionaire raf256 ? |
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| 08:52.56 | enouf | slacker .. |
| 08:52.59 | samuel | is there a program I can use to see what programs have what files open? |
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| 08:53.37 | Guerin | still haven't got the new year questionnaire out? |
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| 08:53.48 | Guerin | you were threatening to make me forgo my celebrations for that shit |
| 08:53.55 | Cyis | Guerin: I've known some that make it work and some that can't... |
| 08:54.00 | Guerin | samuel: lsof or fuser |
| 08:54.06 | samuel | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:54.08 | cableroy | i want to debootstrap etch, but my system does not find /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch how to fix that? |
| 08:54.27 | Guerin | cableroy: what scripts ARE there? |
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| 08:54.51 | cableroy | sid,potato,sarge,woody |
| 08:55.12 | Guerin | cableroy: get sarge and upgrade |
| 08:55.16 | marx | hello, is there a way to login to a chrooted debian distribution remotly ? as opose to local from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-debian ? |
| 08:55.35 | cableroy | ok |
| 08:55.37 | Cyis | cableroy: then you probably need a newer version of debootstrap or do as Guerin suggested and upgrade from a sarge install |
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| 08:55.46 | Guerin | marx: eh? |
| 08:56.11 | Cyis | marx: you mean have a login that drops you right into a chroot rather than give you a shell? |
| 08:56.15 | Guerin | marx: log into the remove machine and run `chroot'? |
| 08:56.33 | marx | Guerin Typing chroot /sid-root /bin/bash is easy, but it retains all sorts of environment variables that you may not want, and has other issues |
| 08:56.49 | marx | Guerin Typing chroot /sid-root /bin/bash is easy, but it retains all sorts of environment variables that you may not want, and has other issues |
| 08:56.55 | Guerin | cableroy: that may throw errors and such, you may have to edit it a bit or download a a newer version and use its package list |
| 08:56.55 | marx | Guerin : can i do that remote ? |
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| 08:57.14 | marx | Guerin sorry for that doble paste |
| 08:57.29 | PingFloyd | marx: pass env to it as an arguement |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | marx: mm. You could run a sshd in the chroot |
| 08:57.55 | PingFloyd | as in /usr/bin/env |
| 08:58.05 | Cyis | I guess you could write your own script to run as the shell that automatically initiated the chroot login... but you'd want to make sure it handled trapping signals and everything |
| 08:58.20 | marx | Guerin : i just want to setup a testing ground for my firewall and other scripts without messing something up |
| 08:58.22 | sid | wengophone got pulled from etch. :( |
| 08:58.28 | sid | o well |
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| 08:58.39 | Guerin | marx: definitely a sshd running in the chroot |
| 08:58.46 | PingFloyd | and flags like NAME=VALUE with env |
| 08:58.55 | khaleel5000 | Hi is there a CLi based client for Msn and goggle (either collecteviely or seperately? ) |
| 08:59.18 | Cyis | I use schroot to handle my three chroots |
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| 08:59.38 | sid | khaleel5000: Not that I know of, check out bitlbee+irssi. |
| 08:59.38 | Cyis | khaleel5000: umm... gaim? |
| 08:59.48 | sid | !tell khaleel5000 about bitlbee |
| 08:59.50 | Dave|id | if i want to install a program from the unstable section, do i just download it and run 'dpkg -i' or do i do something else... just using debian with shell only.. trying to load the unstable MRTG |
| 08:59.53 | Cyis | oh... cli... scratch that then |
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| 09:00.06 | sid | o wait, no Cyis good point.. gaim now has cli.(gaim-text in 2.0) |
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| 09:00.15 | craigevil | Centericq supports the ICQ2000, Yahoo!, AIM, MSN, IRC and Jabber protocols |
| 09:00.15 | Guerin | bitlbee FTW |
| 09:00.18 | sid | I forgot about that it's real new. |
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| 09:00.43 | Cyis | yeah... must be cause I didn't even know of it and I use Gaim myself |
| 09:00.45 | Guerin | the only thing bitlbee can't do is dcc or file-sending; which is a feature as far as I'm concerned |
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| 09:01.08 | PingFloyd | gaim is seems to be the one that I've had the most luck with all of those crappy proprietary protocols |
| 09:01.30 | sid | PingFloyd: Jabber is not a proprietary crappy protocol.(but the rest are) |
| 09:01.38 | sid | !jabber |
| 09:01.39 | Guerin | i still use msn and icq, they've not been a problem since the early 2000s |
| 09:01.39 | dpkg | well, jabber is a GPLed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system that is server based and uses XML for communication. Check it out at http://jabber.org or #jabber., or gabber, or available via the apt-get sources.list line "deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main", or simply amazing!, or has a Debian chat at xmpp:debian@conference.jabber.org |
| 09:01.48 | PingFloyd | sid: I know |
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| 09:01.54 | khaleel5000 | thanks sid Cyis and others |
| 09:01.57 | Guerin | jabber is choice |
| 09:01.58 | PingFloyd | but AIM, Yahoo, etc etc definitely are |
| 09:02.12 | Cyis | I use Gaim for my Y!, MSN, ICQ and AIM screenames... also use it with Jabber for Google, Livejournal and my companies internal Jabber server |
| 09:02.18 | sid | khaleel5000: Your best bet is `apt-get install gaim;` and start "gaim-text" imho |
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| 09:02.41 | Guerin | it's good being able to run your own jabberd, so people with logins on the same server, or co-operative servers, can have end-to-end encrypted chat with no snoopers |
| 09:02.41 | monokrome | :| |
| 09:02.41 | khaleel5000 | sid: installing bitlbee via debain etch dvd2 , will give gaim a try , |
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| 09:02.56 | Guerin | not that I have anything to hide |
| 09:03.15 | monokrome | Anyone know if there is a way stop my debian system from beeping whenever I hit tab and there's nothing to auto complete? |
| 09:03.29 | monokrome | It's driving me insane :| |
| 09:03.31 | Cyis | Guerin: can't it support using OpenPGP to encrypt a chat regardless of server? |
| 09:03.37 | raf256 | enouf: huh? |
| 09:03.37 | Guerin | karsten: don't neve need to install bitlbee; just connect to im.bitlbee.org:6667 |
| 09:03.39 | PingFloyd | monokrome: yeah, disable the pcspeaker |
| 09:03.44 | Cyis | monokrome: rmmod pcspkr |
| 09:03.55 | Guerin | Cyis: yes, it can. |
| 09:03.56 | enouf | raf256: ?? |
| 09:03.58 | monokrome | Thank you both. :o |
| 09:04.06 | raf256 | enouf: <enouf> where the fucks this questionaire raf256 ? |
| 09:04.17 | enouf | well .. where the fucks this questionaire raf256 ? |
| 09:04.22 | monokrome | hrm. |
| 09:04.25 | raf256 | O_o |
| 09:04.28 | enouf | :-P |
| 09:04.29 | monokrome | If I blacklist that mod |
| 09:04.34 | monokrome | It wont ever happen, right? |
| 09:04.38 | Guerin | you win |
| 09:04.41 | Guerin | !bell |
| 09:04.41 | dpkg | well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 09:05.11 | raf256 | Why debian devel decided to curse debian with constant farting out of the box? |
| 09:05.12 | sid | hmm, I don't have pcspkr mod loaded. I don't think it's loaded by default unless I'm mistaken. |
| 09:05.13 | PingFloyd | monokrome: on top of that, there is a config file, I just can't remember which one |
| 09:05.39 | PingFloyd | just made such a change a few months back |
| 09:05.39 | Guerin | raf256: wtf |
| 09:05.39 | monokrome | Looks like dpkg found it |
| 09:05.39 | monokrome | :) |
| 09:05.39 | Guerin | that's a qotd |
| 09:05.39 | sid | PingFloyd: somewhere in /etc/udev |
| 09:05.41 | mylogic | hmm, is it possible to run Xinerama with two screens of different resolution with it running each screens native resolution? I thought I had it setup right, but it's stretching my second screen to the size of my widescreen. |
| 09:05.45 | enouf | raf256: oh teh noes! .. don;'t start thart shit again |
| 09:05.47 | PingFloyd | sid: that might be another |
| 09:05.54 | Cyis | monokrome: it's usually aliased under /etc/modprobe.d |
| 09:06.01 | PingFloyd | sid: the one I'm thinking had all sorts of settings in it |
| 09:06.03 | raf256 | Oh, lets use console. Beeep. How to turn that off? BEEEP. Oh my god how to mute soungs in bash? BEEEEP and in vim?! *BEEEEP* JESUS CHRIST, lets go back to windows *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* quick! |
| 09:06.13 | PingFloyd | sid: like screenblanking for the vc |
| 09:06.13 | sid | !tell mylogic about twinview |
| 09:06.39 | mylogic | sid: does twinview work well with an ati mobile card? |
| 09:06.46 | monokrome | :) |
| 09:07.00 | sid | mylogic: no idea, also see #xorg though. |
| 09:07.06 | monokrome | Isn't twinview an nVidia specific thing? |
| 09:07.19 | sid | mylogic: Are you using the free/libre "ati" module, or the non-free/proprietary "fglrx" module? |
| 09:07.33 | raf256 | enouf: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. Linux - sounding as professional like windows, not like 1990 style lame terminal |
| 09:08.00 | DeadlyNinja | i like rm pcspkr.ko |
| 09:08.01 | enouf | omg |
| 09:08.05 | mylogic | I am using the ati module at the moment |
| 09:08.26 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:08.40 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 09:08.40 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 09:08.48 | mylogic | bleh, this is why I hate small subchannel relating to a spefic subject... no one is awake in them! |
| 09:08.52 | enouf | dpkg: where were you |
| 09:08.52 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 09:08.53 | teledyn__ | raf256: i hate the fucking beep |
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| 09:08.57 | sid | mylogic: possibly twinview is nvidia specific. but eitherway I have no idea...I can barely afford one monitor yet alone two. But I bet #xorg has all the answers if anyone is around. |
| 09:09.06 | raf256 | teledyn__: thank you for standing out |
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| 09:09.20 | cydork | heh |
| 09:09.30 | DeadlyNinja | "twinview" tm is nvidia specific, ati has something analogous |
| 09:09.34 | monokrome | wewt ! gpm :) |
| 09:09.43 | _moby | hi everybody ... |
| 09:09.44 | teledyn__ | raf256: set bell-style none in ~/.inputrc |
| 09:09.46 | raf256 | How you know in univ. that the class is working on C++? The constant beep BEEEEP beeep BEEEPP bEeEeEp in the background |
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| 09:09.49 | Cyis | I'd have a dual monitor setup as soon as I can replace my wife's LCD with something new so I can have a matching pair |
| 09:09.50 | sid | DeadlyNinja: Are they both proprietary softwares? |
| 09:10.09 | raf256 | teledyn__: yes, I know it. You know it. But all newbies are freaking annoyed by that and can not (yet) fix it |
| 09:10.11 | monokrome | raf256: wtf does the beep have to do C++ |
| 09:10.17 | raf256 | monokrome: we have c++ on linux |
| 09:10.20 | raf256 | c++ classes |
| 09:10.20 | DeadlyNinja | sid, yeah, but you can do it (slower) with free software |
| 09:10.21 | enouf | raf256: hook up a Dorrbell instead |
| 09:10.22 | teledyn__ | raf256: but that doesn't actually get rid of all beeps. |
| 09:10.22 | Guerin | NO SHIT |
| 09:10.25 | monokrome | raf256: and? |
| 09:10.28 | enouf | doorbell even |
| 09:10.30 | DeadlyNinja | its called xinerama |
| 09:10.31 | Guerin | c++ on linux ... really? |
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| 09:10.35 | raf256 | monokrome: and everyone uses vim and bash |
| 09:10.41 | raf256 | so there is the fucking beeping all around |
| 09:10.44 | _moby | well im interested in computer security and open source ...would it be possible to get some help please ? |
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| 09:10.49 | raf256 | because 95% users ther have no clue how to disable it |
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| 09:10.54 | Guerin | _moby: speak |
| 09:10.58 | monokrome | Guerin: He's lying! C++ is only on Mac OSX or higher! IT WONT RUN ON LINUX |
| 09:11.01 | sid | _moby: I doubt anyone can help you if you don't ask a question. |
| 09:11.04 | sid | !tell _moby about ask |
| 09:11.05 | Cyis | DeadlyNinja: xinerama is a generic term I believe... I used xinerama with my nvidia dual-head card instead of twinview |
| 09:11.22 | monokrome | raf256: Still not funny :P |
| 09:11.25 | raf256 | because some genious desided to turn the annoying asslame beeping ON by default |
| 09:11.25 | Guerin | monokrome: and on windows too! except that got the ++ and doubled it and leaned it on its side ... |
| 09:11.40 | monokrome | lol |
| 09:11.43 | DeadlyNinja | Cyis, twinview allows further hardware accelleration and glx context sharing |
| 09:11.57 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:12.05 | DeadlyNinja | cyis, plain xinerama takes a penalty there because it doesnt know the hardware is shared |
| 09:12.07 | monokrome | Guerin: I hear C++ comes with a virus in it! |
| 09:12.08 | raf256 | monokrome: you must be confused about my se |
| 09:12.09 | raf256 | x |
| 09:12.10 | streuner | raf256: what did you smoke today? |
| 09:12.10 | Guerin | raf256: you're more wasted than I am |
| 09:12.11 | insmod | raf256: mute it |
| 09:12.22 | _moby | sorry i was away for a while |
| 09:12.34 | raf256 | insmod: *I* muted it. 40 people in my class room dont know how to |
| 09:12.34 | Cyis | DeadlyNinja: hmm... maybe I'll give it a shot when I can take my wife's LCD... rather have matching ViewSonic LCDs |
| 09:12.39 | monokrome | hrm. |
| 09:13.04 | raf256 | insmod: "Class, today BEEP we will learBEEP how to write a virtBEEPl cla*beep* for*BEEP*beeepBEEEEEEEEEEP ok?" |
| 09:13.05 | monokrome | Are there any packages I need to install to get X, other than xserver-xorg? |
| 09:13.05 | cydork | monokrome: i thought you need vista to run C++ :P |
| 09:13.12 | DeadlyNinja | Cyis, eh its nothing special anyway just pr hype mostly |
| 09:13.16 | monokrome | cydork: No! Vista is way better. The have C#! :D |
| 09:13.19 | sid | monokrome: x-window-system |
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| 09:13.30 | monokrome | sid: Okay thanks :) |
| 09:13.40 | sid | monokrome: x-window-system-core if you want just core stuff. |
| 09:13.43 | _moby | sid: i'm looking for ressources on computer security: courses, pdf files, websites ...and so on ... |
| 09:13.54 | raf256 | _moby: google msdn security |
| 09:13.59 | insmod | raf256: do it as root --- done |
| 09:13.59 | _moby | sid: as a beginning i mean |
| 09:14.06 | raf256 | insmod: do *what* as root? |
| 09:14.10 | Guerin | monokrome: omg! that's what the two extra +es are for! |
| 09:14.10 | Cyis | raf256: shouldn't that be "msdn insecurity" |
| 09:14.10 | monokrome | wtf? |
| 09:14.11 | insmod | raf256: mute it |
| 09:14.16 | enouf | ROFLMAO // .. |
| 09:14.17 | sid | _moby: This is #debian, not #computer.security.open.source.pdf.files.websites.and.so.on |
| 09:14.21 | raf256 | insmod: I am not the admin |
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| 09:14.28 | monokrome | The following packages have unmet dependances: x-window-system: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:14.47 | insmod | raf256: well that's the answer sorry you can't solve it |
| 09:14.48 | sid | monokrome: What version of debian GNU/Linux are you running? |
| 09:14.55 | monokrome | unstable |
| 09:14.58 | Guerin | _moby: apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 09:15.14 | raf256 | insmod: even if I would be admin there, there still will be 5982198 users around the world fucking pissed off by the lame ass bell |
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| 09:15.29 | raf256 | insmod: but there is hope. Turn the fsck bell OFF by default, not ON. |
| 09:15.37 | cydork | monokrome: heh |
| 09:15.51 | Guerin | raf256: for once, we agree |
| 09:15.54 | monokrome | cydork: Yeah :) |
| 09:16.07 | sid | raf256: file a bug, heh. |
| 09:16.09 | _moby | thx for ur help :) |
| 09:16.19 | raf256 | sid: I did. I think I will file in next one, major this time |
| 09:16.26 | insmod | raf256: it is -- as alsa standard all is muted -- not my fault the admin is dumb |
| 09:16.30 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:16.33 | raf256 | or kick someone in the jimmy or something.. is there voting for bugs system? |
| 09:16.53 | raf256 | insmod: alsa? its PC beeper making the noise |
| 09:16.55 | Guerin | raf256: debian is not a polulist democracy |
| 09:17.01 | Guerin | or a populist noe |
| 09:17.08 | sid | hehe, voting on bugs would add so much red tape |
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| 09:17.12 | insmod | raf256: ya by alsa |
| 09:17.22 | Guerin | sid: just thing of the auto-voting script wars! |
| 09:17.26 | insmod | raf256: load any mixer to fix that |
| 09:17.31 | raf256 | insmod: after default instll of debian testing it is beeping |
| 09:17.32 | Guerin | s/thing/think/ |
| 09:17.50 | Cyis | sid: tell me about it... bad enough with impatient people that file bugs 2 seconds after a new release comes out upstream wanting to know when you'll have it packaged |
| 09:17.52 | insmod | raf256: only if root unmutes it |
| 09:18.02 | teledyn__ | insmod: that's the system beeping, no relation to alsa unfortunately |
| 09:18.06 | raf256 | insmod: unmutes what exacly? The sound system? |
| 09:18.28 | teledyn__ | the PC speaker is different than the sound card |
| 09:18.31 | raf256 | insmod: afaik muting ALSA (like kmix) do not stop the fucking bell |
| 09:18.35 | Guerin | Cyis: you a dd? |
| 09:18.39 | monokrome | hrm |
| 09:18.43 | Cyis | Guerin: yes |
| 09:18.51 | Guerin | Cyis: ah, what do you maintain? |
| 09:18.53 | insmod | they are the same alsa controls it just llike the mixer -- when you as root set the levels |
| 09:19.00 | sid | Cyis: haha, yea I've been seeing more of those. |
| 09:19.05 | raf256 | insmod: I dont think so |
| 09:19.10 | monokrome | raf256: alsa has a seperate volume setting for pc speaker |
| 09:19.12 | insmod | raf256: ya |
| 09:19.27 | Cyis | sid: and when you don't respond quickly enough to the bug report they start emailing you personally |
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| 09:19.34 | raf256 | insmod: after install of debian, without unuting anything, the freaking bell do beep |
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| 09:19.41 | insmod | monokrome: ya that you can control it from |
| 09:19.58 | Cyis | Guerin: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=jbouse@debian.org |
| 09:20.00 | enouf | raf256: so install a bloated full blown sound sytem to turn OFF somethhing that shouldn't be ON .. m'K? |
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| 09:20.02 | raf256 | insmod: I have no pc beeper in my alsamix |
| 09:20.04 | insmod | raf256: then set your card correct |
| 09:20.05 | teledyn__ | in that case you could have everyone run one command: amixer -c 0 sset Master,0 0% mute or something like that |
| 09:20.20 | raf256 | insmod: there is no such setting, you are mistaken. |
| 09:20.26 | insmod | raf256: crap card then |
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| 09:20.31 | insmod | raf256: no |
| 09:20.34 | sid | Cyis: You do xen alone? or is there a team? |
| 09:20.34 | raf256 | insmod: yes |
| 09:20.34 | Guerin | Cyis: yeh, yeh, i googled it already :) |
| 09:20.44 | Cyis | sid: team |
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| 09:21.17 | teledyn__ | i have no pc speaker option in my alsamixergui either |
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| 09:21.34 | raf256 | anyone here besides insmod have a pc speaker option in alsamixer? |
| 09:21.36 | samuel | ive tried to make a new partition for /tmp, but whenever I try to login as my normal user it crashes, the user seems unable to create anything in the new partition, is there anything I have to do to /tmp to get it working? |
| 09:21.59 | raf256 | insmod: 1. install debian 2. do NOT unmute anything or nothing 3. go to console 4. BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 09:22.05 | jfletcher | raf256: yes |
| 09:22.05 | raf256 | this is freaking ass lame |
| 09:22.09 | enouf | teledyn__: one command echo "pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .. done |
| 09:22.15 | sid | samuel: You have a livecd handy? |
| 09:22.18 | Guerin | samuel: the prmissions for /tmp are funky |
| 09:22.22 | str4 | Hello |
| 09:22.24 | OllieD | hi |
| 09:22.25 | jfletcher | raf256: it depends on the sound module you use. |
| 09:22.26 | cahoot | raf256: sure |
| 09:22.26 | Cyis | enouf: reboot and make sure it's really blacklisted |
| 09:22.27 | sid | !greet str4 |
| 09:22.27 | dpkg | Hello, str4 |
| 09:22.29 | samuel | sid, i do |
| 09:22.44 | Guerin | samuel: drwxrwxrwt 6 root root 4096 2007-01-04 20:45 /tmp |
| 09:22.45 | sid | samuel: So pop it in an use parted or gparted. |
| 09:22.48 | samuel | Guerin: how so? |
| 09:22.49 | OllieD | I'll find out |
| 09:22.50 | raf256 | "Lame ass bell beeping scares away new Debian users" |
| 09:22.50 | Guerin | stickeh |
| 09:22.51 | samuel009 | hi,when the splashy start ,the screen shake,why,who can help me! |
| 09:22.54 | str4 | fun |
| 09:22.57 | enouf | Cyis: no need .. you have to modprobe -r anyway prior IIRC |
| 09:23.00 | monokrome | raf256: Everyone should have a PC Speaker option in ALSA |
| 09:23.06 | raf256 | monokrome: I do not |
| 09:23.08 | sid | !tell samuel009 about ubuntu |
| 09:23.09 | Guerin | raf256: "users not likely to understand debian anyway" |
| 09:23.16 | monokrome | raf256: weird :P |
| 09:23.22 | samuel009 | debian etch |
| 09:23.23 | raf256 | Guerin: a smack in the face is not a good way to start the date |
| 09:23.23 | insmod | raf256: http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/pcm.jpg |
| 09:23.34 | monokrome | Anyone know how to bring up that curses-based menu that comes up when you first install debian again? |
| 09:23.35 | samuel | Guerin: how so? dont those perms get assigned by the parent dir? (ie /tmp to the partition mounted on it?) |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | raf256: speak for yourself! |
| 09:23.40 | raf256 | Guerin: scaring _new_ user the first second he uses a console is BAD |
| 09:23.40 | Cyis | enouf: I'm just saying cause I've tried blacklisting modules that way and it doesn't always work on reboot |
| 09:23.44 | monokrome | well, when you first boot |
| 09:23.56 | Guerin | samuel: yeah, I guess. |
| 09:24.03 | cydork | monokrome: you mean tasksel? |
| 09:24.09 | raf256 | pcm? |
| 09:24.14 | monokrome | cydork: no clue. I'll tell ya after I run it :P |
| 09:24.24 | raf256 | insmod: wtf? where is the bell sound in your mixer? |
| 09:24.26 | sid | !tell samuel009 about cn |
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| 09:24.40 | monokrome | yup |
| 09:24.40 | insmod | raf256: pcm |
| 09:24.41 | monokrome | that's it! |
| 09:24.43 | sid | samuel009: What splash screen? |
| 09:24.45 | raf256 | insmod: wtf?! |
| 09:24.46 | monokrome | thanks, cydork. |
| 09:24.49 | raf256 | insmod: PCM is the master sound |
| 09:24.57 | raf256 | insmod: mute PCM == mute all sounds |
| 09:25.05 | insmod | raf256: pc speaker bell |
| 09:25.07 | Guerin | insmod: you lose. |
| 09:25.08 | monokrome | That'll install X for me :) |
| 09:25.14 | raf256 | insmod: no, wait. muting PCM mutes everyting BESIDES the fucking bell! |
| 09:25.25 | Guerin | omg, imagine being lame enough to lose a battle of wits with raf256 |
| 09:25.32 | insmod | raf256: no let me try |
| 09:25.34 | monokrome | LOL |
| 09:25.38 | cydork | Guerin: hehe |
| 09:26.14 | raf256 | Guerin: wtf, stop calling me lame, I just helped to find a critical Krusader bug that was lurking over a YEAR before devels with my help pinpointed it |
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| 09:26.32 | Cyis | you know it's bad when you show up unarmed for a battle of wits |
| 09:26.32 | insmod | raf256: ah your write it is pc speaker sorry |
| 09:26.36 | Guerin | raf256: c'mon, you've earned at least another few months of lame-calling in here |
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| 09:26.40 | raf256 | insmod: lol~ |
| 09:26.57 | teledyn__ | so in the kernel under Device Drivers --> Input Device --> Misc devices there's an option: "PC Speaker support" |
| 09:27.05 | raf256 | Guerin: what the fuck. because I realize how this is freaking retarded to scare of new users? |
| 09:27.19 | raf256 | or becuase I have a cluea about difference berween ALSA and beeper and insmod doesnt |
| 09:27.19 | teledyn__ | "Say Y here if you want the standard PC Speaker to be used for bells and whistles." |
| 09:27.36 | monokrome | weird lol |
| 09:27.37 | raf256 | teledyn__: exacly |
| 09:27.44 | monokrome | My 's' button only works in TTY1 and TTY2 |
| 09:27.45 | monokrome | wtf? :) |
| 09:27.50 | teledyn__ | pc speaker has no relation at all to the sound card |
| 09:27.52 | raf256 | monokrome: ha |
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| 09:27.55 | Guerin | raf256: no, no, for the past few years |
| 09:28.06 | insmod | teledyn__: no on kmix there is |
| 09:28.17 | teledyn__ | think about it for a minute. if you have an issue and get bios beeps for example - that's the same system beeping - independent of sound card |
| 09:28.17 | raf256 | Guerin: and hitler killed people for years, that it means we should not consider him good now? |
| 09:28.22 | raf256 | no, wait, that was wrong example |
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| 09:28.27 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:28.28 | teledyn__ | insmod: that's something else then |
| 09:28.29 | raf256 | ;) |
| 09:28.36 | monokrome | hrm |
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| 09:28.38 | monokrome | even more odd |
| 09:28.44 | Guerin | raf256: i'm doing an MA about godwin's law next year |
| 09:28.48 | monokrome | is it works in those TTYs UNTIL I log in. |
| 09:28.54 | raf256 | which package is responsible for the beep exacly? |
| 09:29.02 | raf256 | for the beeping... readline? |
| 09:29.08 | teledyn__ | insmod: the PC speaker is more like a hard drive LED or something |
| 09:29.08 | Guerin | monokrome: wrong keymap? |
| 09:29.11 | Cyis | raf256: kernel-image :) |
| 09:29.18 | monokrome | Fixed it. |
| 09:29.21 | raf256 | Cyis: for .inputrc |
| 09:29.22 | Guerin | nah, i think it is readline |
| 09:29.22 | HellRazor | I need some help with my internet. My computer won't pull an IP from a modem i KNOW is connected to the internet and working. I've tried giving it a static but to no avail. |
| 09:29.25 | monokrome | It was that no-beep setting :) |
| 09:29.28 | insmod | teledyn__: ya on the mother board |
| 09:29.29 | monokrome | weird indeed. |
| 09:29.39 | Guerin | raf256: you could fork to readline-no-beep |
| 09:29.50 | insmod | http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/pcm1.jpg |
| 09:29.51 | monokrome | HellRazor: Motorola Surfboard? |
| 09:29.59 | HellRazor | Yes. |
| 09:30.11 | raf256 | Guerin: the idea is to turn it OFF (for newbies) and ALLOW to turn it ON for more advanced, not viceversa |
| 09:30.11 | monokrome | HellRazor: Are there multiple computeres plugged in to it? |
| 09:30.21 | Guerin | raf256: ship it with a config file which defailts to "set bell-style none" |
| 09:30.23 | teledyn__ | insmod: yet the mixer device you use when you run alsamixer or whatever is the mixer on the sound card. i've seen that control somewhere before also but i do know that the pc speaker itself is independent |
| 09:30.26 | raf256 | No packages found matching readline. huh? |
| 09:30.40 | HellRazor | Well.. it goes from the modem to a hub, so kinda. But even when I got straight from the modem to the PC, still no IP |
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| 09:30.52 | Guerin | HellRazor: those are supported in-kernel |
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| 09:30.55 | raf256 | Guerin: yes that was the solution. and possibly add a config option to ask about it at install |
| 09:31.03 | monokrome | HellRazor: Comcast? |
| 09:31.09 | teledyn__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pc_speaker |
| 09:31.14 | HellRazor | Nope monokrome, it's Suddenlink. |
| 09:31.17 | insmod | teledyn__: been awhile but i have done it kmix does it http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/pcm1.jpg |
| 09:31.19 | monokrome | hrm |
| 09:31.24 | monokrome | Don't know if it's all surfboards |
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| 09:31.50 | HellRazor | Connection worked great with my former Linksys router, but it died and was replaced by the hub. |
| 09:31.51 | monokrome | But surfboards only allow one computer to be plugged in to them at once with the default configuration from comcast |
| 09:31.58 | raf256 | actually... is there any program (kernel option + user mode program) to turn off the system beep all togeather? |
| 09:32.06 | HellRazor | I had Suddenlink correct that problem monokrome |
| 09:32.08 | monokrome | They will only assign one IP address via DHCP, and don't let you use static addresses |
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| 09:32.36 | monokrome | HellRazor: Weird. Then i'm not sure, |
| 09:32.42 | Cyis | raf256: appears the "set bell-style none" is actually in /usr/share/readline/inputrc but commented out |
| 09:32.48 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:32.56 | raf256 | Cyis: greate I will add that to bug report |
| 09:33.05 | raf256 | I will make it grave or noone will move ass to actually fix it |
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| 09:33.36 | maddash | I just finished a debian net install. when asked which packages to download, I selected the following options: laptop and standard. etch boots pretty fast, even after I slapped on x-window-system-core. only problem is, "startx" doesn't work....the display flickers for a few moments, then returns me back to the console. any ideas? |
| 09:33.49 | teledyn__ | insmod: notice that that says "Sis SI7012" at the bottom. that is the sound card mixer. |
| 09:33.57 | insmod | raf256: also xterm controls it i think and by changining the config file turnes it off --- man xterm |grep bell |
| 09:33.59 | monokrome | What does visible do? |
| 09:34.00 | mosty | maddash: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:34.07 | Cyis | maddash: not configured properly would be my first guess |
| 09:34.07 | maddash | mosty: did already |
| 09:34.13 | insmod | teledyn__: ya through alsa |
| 09:34.17 | PingFloyd | maddash: it's probably trying to set the refresh improperly |
| 09:34.25 | insmod | teledyn__: also xterm controls it i think and by changining the config file turnes it off --- man xterm |grep bell |
| 09:34.29 | Guerin | monokrome: flash the screen |
| 09:34.30 | PingFloyd | s/refresh/refresh rates |
| 09:34.36 | Guerin | monokrome: that's what I use in screen |
| 09:34.37 | mosty | maddash: startx > X.log 2>&1, then read X.log for the error messages after it returns to the prompt |
| 09:34.57 | monokrome | hrm |
| 09:34.59 | maddash | mosty: ok, I'll have to reboot. hold on. |
| 09:35.03 | teledyn__ | insmod: ~/.inputrc |
| 09:35.09 | PingFloyd | for your consoles you can do this to turn it off setterm -blength 0 |
| 09:35.23 | PingFloyd | that's one of many ways |
| 09:36.13 | Cyis | I sure hope this rsync finishes in the next couple hours... cause people will begin showing up into the office |
| 09:36.19 | sid | damn I love having freedom via Debian GNU/Linux. it's just kickass awesomeness. thanks to everyone reading this(developer/#debian helpers/anyone that helps debian) |
| 09:36.22 | insmod | teledyn__: no the xterm configs |
| 09:36.29 | PingFloyd | monokrome: I think visible mean it will flash on the event where bell would usually go off |
| 09:36.41 | Guerin | !beer sid |
| 09:36.49 | monokrome | heh :/ |
| 09:36.50 | enouf | insmod: put down the crack pipe now |
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| 09:36.57 | sid | ahh, that's one of my favorites. I wonder how dpkg knew. :/ |
| 09:36.58 | insmod | teledyn__: xterm i think is default for all terms on X |
| 09:37.07 | enouf | maddash does it BEEP? |
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| 09:37.34 | enouf | raf256: install KDE to turn off the BEEP |
| 09:37.40 | insmod | enouf: man you just passed it here |
| 09:37.49 | enouf | hehehe :-) |
| 09:37.53 | raf256 | enouf: doesnt help |
| 09:37.54 | wilbury | anyone clued why iceape on unstable just segfaults on startup ? |
| 09:38.01 | enouf | raf256: doh! |
| 09:38.23 | Guerin | wilbury: iceape is ... what part of the mozilla range? |
| 09:38.58 | cydork | Guerin: seamonkey . |
| 09:39.11 | PingFloyd | if all else fails, disconnect it. If it's on the motherboard, you could unsolder it :) |
| 09:39.13 | teledyn__ | raf256: the thing that gets me is, what function does the damn beep serve anyway? its not like, if it doesn't beep, people will be missing out on something vital |
| 09:39.17 | insmod | raf256: see i get no beeps but i had to stop it just can't think of how |
| 09:39.17 | Guerin | buh, naturally |
| 09:39.18 | sid | wilbury: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401565 ? |
| 09:39.21 | sid | !tell wilbury about bts |
| 09:39.33 | insmod | raf256: i thinks xterm |
| 09:39.43 | raf256 | teledyn__: the beep serves an important purpose |
| 09:39.44 | monokrome | sfsd |
| 09:39.51 | raf256 | it irriteates the shit out of new users |
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| 09:40.00 | raf256 | and makes linux look geeky lame ass 1990's style |
| 09:40.03 | wilbury | sid: "thanksalot" :-) |
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| 09:40.12 | insmod | teledyn__: core |
| 09:41.09 | teledyn__ | raf256: i admit, the beep is right up there with twm and xedit |
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| 09:41.33 | sid | wilbury: a fix is also on that link, if you read to the bottom |
| 09:41.35 | Cyis | I think I could have used RFC1149 to transfer these files faster |
| 09:41.41 | insmod | teledyn__: they rock man |
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| 09:41.52 | teledyn__ | :-p |
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| 09:42.34 | wilbury | sid: yes, i've read through the whole article :-) |
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| 09:42.49 | insmod | teledyn__: would you prefer a sys that never told of trouble in advance -- ah win! |
| 09:43.54 | teledyn__ | insmod: what trouble? that i pressed tab at the end of a line? hit the down arrow at the end of the file? man, THAT'S A TOTAL CATASTROPHE!!! |
| 09:44.20 | insmod | teledyn__: vim? |
| 09:44.22 | raf256 | teledyn__: oh noe! |
| 09:44.31 | raf256 | teledyn__: you pressed the tab! run for teh lives |
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| 09:44.51 | insmod | teledyn__: edit xterm config |
| 09:44.51 | raf256 | teledyn__: that is a critical error1 |
| 09:44.53 | Cyis | my one co-worker wigs out if he hears the beeping... I make sure if my machine is rebooted that pcspkr is removed |
| 09:45.03 | insmod | teledyn__: man xterm |grep bell |
| 09:45.05 | raf256 | insmod: __we__ know how to fix it. The new users dont! |
| 09:45.43 | Guerin | man ... still with the bell |
| 09:45.49 | PingFloyd | Cyis: tell your co-worker you wig out at the site of windows users :) |
| 09:45.58 | sid | hehe, *cough* ot *cough* |
| 09:46.01 | raf256 | Cyis: I know people cutting PC speaker wires inside PC case to stop the fucking beeping |
| 09:46.05 | teledyn__ | insmod: but its also the regular console that does it |
| 09:46.16 | Cyis | PingFloyd: no one on our floor runs Windows... only the suits downstairs |
| 09:46.21 | PingFloyd | Linux needs more cow bell |
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| 09:46.28 | fireba11 | raf256: pulling the speaker plug makes more sense though |
| 09:46.35 | raf256 | fireba11: or that |
| 09:46.41 | insmod | teledyn__: all runs on xterm conf -- in tty edit that con |
| 09:46.51 | teledyn__ | fireba11: except you won't get the BIOS error code beeps |
| 09:46.55 | raf256 | I tuned down my speaker by shortcircuiting with resistor. |
| 09:46.58 | Cyis | fireba11: no sense of permancy in just pulling it :) |
| 09:47.04 | insmod | teledyn__: pock in /etc |
| 09:47.05 | PingFloyd | who needs no stinking bios beep codes |
| 09:47.12 | fireba11 | teledyn__: i got two-digit hex-code display for that |
| 09:47.14 | insmod | poke |
| 09:47.31 | PingFloyd | haven't really ever been a disadvantage not to have them |
| 09:48.07 | PingFloyd | Cyis: I can't either |
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| 09:48.11 | teledyn__ | PingFloyd: actually they can be important. if your machine has a problem, it can give vital info |
| 09:48.14 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 09:48.20 | PingFloyd | they may have gone off many times, but I generally just ignored them |
| 09:48.42 | PingFloyd | teledyn__: yeah, like your video card being disconnected :) |
| 09:48.46 | Cyis | Can't recall what the beep codes mean but I can recall my Cisco config registers :) |
| 09:48.58 | PingFloyd | I would've never know if it weren't for those gotta have codes |
| 09:49.08 | Ramattack | In debian exim is required because there are some apps that send mail to local users, isn't it? if i decide to use another different mta like qmail (it's not own decission) how could I do for getting the same effect for local delivery as exim? |
| 09:49.24 | Ramattack | or this local deliverys are done by /bin/sendmail? |
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| 09:49.32 | Cyis | Ramattack: you just need a package that provides mail-transport-agent |
| 09:49.36 | PingFloyd | teledyn__: sort of kidding, but I know what you mean |
| 09:49.42 | teledyn__ | PingFloyd: any diagnostic info is better than none ;-) |
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| 09:49.54 | Cyis | Ramattack: nullmailer will work if you just need to smart host mail to another machine |
| 09:50.03 | PingFloyd | teledyn__: though I've found they've often led me in the wrong direction |
| 09:50.37 | fireba11 | teledyn__: new boards usually have soemthing more handy than beep codes though . the hex LEDs are nice for one .-) have a lot more statuses |
| 09:50.48 | Ramattack | cyis I'm running qmail and have created a dummy mta package with equivs |
| 09:50.53 | maddash | I can't get startx working in my freshly installed etch setup...is there a pastebin around here I can use to dump my X11 error log? |
| 09:51.02 | Cyis | Ramattack: I'm sorry |
| 09:51.04 | teledyn__ | Ramattack: any MTA you install should set up the symlink to sendmail |
| 09:51.15 | Guerin | god, no |
| 09:51.18 | Guerin | not qmail |
| 09:51.29 | Guerin | Ramattack: stop using qmail immediately |
| 09:51.32 | Cyis | Guerin: you replied faster than I could start counting down :) |
| 09:51.33 | fireba11 | haha |
| 09:51.36 | Ramattack | but I'm worried because I know exim is used by for example mysql server on dependencies and I assume mysql server will send mails via exim |
| 09:51.54 | fireba11 | Guerin: why dont you like qmail ? *curious* |
| 09:52.08 | teledyn__ | fireba11: i know on modern advanced servers there's usually a whole ton of diagnostic stuff |
| 09:52.10 | Ramattack | guerin : not own decission this is imposed to me now |
| 09:52.19 | Guerin | i work bloody hard (ok, not really, but my greylist does) to only receive nine spams per day, for all my domains |
| 09:52.24 | Cyis | fireba11: qmail is horrible |
| 09:52.37 | centrx | Ramattack, anyway, you can use any normal MTA |
| 09:52.40 | Guerin | fireba11: it triples all spam routed to it, in default install |
| 09:52.49 | wilbury | sid: thanksalot once more, works like a charm |
| 09:52.49 | sid | maddash: What window manager OR desktop environment are you running? |
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| 09:53.12 | maddash | sid: icewm/wdm. that's not the problem...x can't even start properly |
| 09:53.16 | Ramattack | so you say if I install qmail and make /usr/bin/sendmail and /usr/lib/sendmail pointing to /var/qmail/sendmail there will be the same effect as exim local delivery? |
| 09:53.34 | fireba11 | Guerin: now that's a nice feature .. it's so bad it tires to dos itself :-) |
| 09:53.40 | teledyn__ | Ramattack: it should set up the symlink itself, hopefullly |
| 09:53.43 | Guerin | Ramattack: once you fix the broken qmail delivery itself |
| 09:53.54 | maddash | here's the output: http://pastebin.ca/304464 |
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| 09:54.16 | monokrome | Well, that was fun. |
| 09:54.24 | PingFloyd | maddash: it's most likely and issue with the refresh rates it's trying to guess for your monitor, or other video related settings |
| 09:54.24 | Ramattack | guerin : what broken delivery? |
| 09:54.24 | Guerin | fireba11: it' sends a bounce after smtp has finished, then receives a bounce back from the (always fake) spam ip |
| 09:54.29 | sid | maddash: startx `which icewm` |
| 09:54.50 | sid | maddash: Or replace icewm with whatever the binary for starting icewm is. |
| 09:54.51 | Cyis | maddash: looks like it can't find the mouse or kbd modules... or any video card |
| 09:54.53 | Guerin | Ramattack: the configs are just evil and insane |
| 09:54.53 | PingFloyd | in your xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 |
| 09:54.58 | maddash | pingfloyd: yes, you told me that before...could you take a look at the log file and see if that's the case? |
| 09:55.01 | PingFloyd | look at your X related logs |
| 09:55.07 | sid | maddash: lsmod|grep psmouse |
| 09:55.15 | PingFloyd | will have some info that could be helpful |
| 09:55.20 | sid | maddash: Did that command output any results? |
| 09:55.21 | hark | maddash: i guess the mmodules aren't installed |
| 09:55.27 | Cyis | it's not even getting to starting the window manager... it's purely Xorg/XF86 config issue |
| 09:56.13 | maddash | do I chk /etc/modules.conf? |
| 09:56.13 | PingFloyd | maddash: are you using xorg or XF86? |
| 09:56.30 | hark | maddash: install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/mouse and then try |
| 09:56.39 | maddash | pingfloyd: "sudo install x-window-system-core" |
| 09:56.46 | maddash | pingfloyd: xorg I think |
| 09:56.56 | raf256 | Cyis: I have idea for open source program |
| 09:57.00 | teledyn__ | maddash: looks like you're missing vital xorg components |
| 09:57.00 | Cyis | PingFloyd: looks like Xorg 7.1.1 |
| 09:57.07 | teledyn__ | maddash: did you apt-get install xorg ? |
| 09:57.10 | sid | maddash: What version of Debian GNU/linux is this? |
| 09:57.14 | maddash | teledyn__: yes |
| 09:57.17 | maddash | sid: etch |
| 09:57.35 | raf256 | Cyis: small utility to poll data about a hardware, from an online database of linux hardware compatibility. with option to submit own comments |
| 09:57.36 | teledyn__ | maddash: you're missing for example the input package. try running that command again |
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| 09:57.47 | PingFloyd | I don't remember the exact name of the X log for xorg |
| 09:57.57 | sid | PingFloyd: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:58.00 | raf256 | yea |
| 09:58.08 | Cyis | maddash: what does this return... aptitude search xorg |grep ^i |wc -l |
| 09:58.12 | maddash | teledyn__: actually, I'm not sure...I just did "sudo aptitude install x-window-system-core" . I assume xorg gets installed by dependency |
| 09:58.15 | PingFloyd | maddash: can you paste that file sid mentioned up on a pastebin somewhere? |
| 09:58.22 | Ramattack | guerin : wich configs exactly? The only thing I'm worried is because I know mysql-server and almost all debian packages require an mta I suppose for sending local mail.... and wanted to know if I set any non debian mta... like qmail compiled and patched by me for example... if I set a symlink to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail from /usr/bin/sendmail and /usr/lib/sendmail this local delivery will be done? |
| 09:58.24 | teledyn__ | maddash: install xorg |
| 09:58.47 | raf256 | teledyn__: please add your opininon / feedback to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405523 (or just email 405523@bugs.debian.org) |
| 09:58.48 | Cyis | raf256: not a bad idea... |
| 09:59.00 | Guerin | Ramattack: yes, that's the point of it |
| 09:59.00 | maddash | geez I think I'll have to install tinyirc or something...can't constantly reboot like this... |
| 09:59.09 | raf256 | Cyis: I can write it in c++. But how to make the deb... can I report to you when its ready :) ? |
| 09:59.12 | maddash | pingfloyd: I think I pasted the link up there somewhere |
| 09:59.16 | hark | maddash: just install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/mouse |
| 09:59.24 | raf256 | Cyis: like, how to learn to make deb *and* how to actually add it to debian repo |
| 09:59.25 | maddash | [04:54] maddash: here's the output: http://pastebin.ca/304464 |
| 09:59.31 | maddash | ok |
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| 09:59.53 | Cyis | raf256: well can't upload to the debian mirror without being a DD |
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| 09:59.57 | teledyn__ | raf256: thanks |
| 10:00.19 | raf256 | Cyis: can I become one? |
| 10:00.21 | Cyis | 'aptitude install xorg' is by far the easiest way to make sure you have everything |
| 10:00.26 | raf256 | (just to mantain own app) |
| 10:00.28 | Cyis | raf256: http://nm.debian.org |
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| 10:00.48 | raf256 | Cyis: but can I make my app into debian in matter of weeks, not months/year |
| 10:00.58 | sid | raf256: hahahaha, nice bug |
| 10:01.00 | raf256 | (to hit experimental) |
| 10:01.11 | raf256 | sid: seriously I consider it a grave problem to scare away new users |
| 10:01.14 | teledyn__ | hark: except if he's missing other components, hence the suggestion to just install xorg |
| 10:01.16 | Ramattack | guerin : you're answering me to sendmail link question or to trial of that ip? |
| 10:01.21 | Cyis | raf256: getting to unstable or experimental is not hard as long as you have upload privs |
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| 10:01.56 | rusher | hello, I just installed etch 64, and there is no display. how do I fix the problem |
| 10:01.56 | Guerin | Ramattack: sendmail |
| 10:02.06 | Ramattack | ok then guerin |
| 10:02.09 | raf256 | Cyis: want feedback on progress of my program? |
| 10:02.10 | hark | teledyn__: yeah, but I've also helped others with the same issue the past week or so. |
| 10:02.20 | raf256 | Cyis: actually Im finihin a poll about need for such action |
| 10:02.34 | PingFloyd | The funny thing about speaker beep is that on a new install, I got to go digging again and try to remember everything I did to get rid of the wretched curse |
| 10:02.48 | PingFloyd | to get rid of it everywhere |
| 10:03.05 | Dewi | could somebody recommend me a stable rescue disk with a recent kernel and 'ddrescue' on it? |
| 10:03.22 | hark | teledyn__: just the missing input modules and usually the wrong driver is installed. A netinstall etch bug maybe? |
| 10:03.23 | Dewi | do debian installer cds have rescue tools on them these days? |
| 10:03.27 | Ramattack | ok then thanks a lot guys |
| 10:03.32 | teledyn__ | Dewi: what is ddrescue? what are you trying to do? |
| 10:03.38 | Guerin | Dewi: what are these `rescue tools' of which you speak? |
| 10:03.40 | Ramattack | have a nice day! |
| 10:03.46 | Ramattack | bye! |
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| 10:04.02 | Dewi | Guerin: ddrescue |
| 10:04.02 | PingFloyd | I think ddrescue is like some hacked up dd |
| 10:04.07 | Guerin | mm |
| 10:04.10 | Guerin | never heard of it |
| 10:04.11 | Dewi | it's a dd that can resume after crashes |
| 10:04.20 | Dewi | and when I read this disk, my machines tend to crash a lot |
| 10:04.20 | PingFloyd | it's kind of superfluous if you ask me though |
| 10:04.26 | Guerin | ah, cool |
| 10:04.27 | Dewi | PingFloyd: not at all |
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| 10:04.45 | Dewi | PingFloyd: it also has an iterative approach |
| 10:04.47 | teledyn__ | Dewi: why you using dd? |
| 10:04.48 | PingFloyd | Dewi: what's the different |
| 10:05.01 | rusher | hello, I just installed etch 64, and there is no display. how do I fix the problem |
| 10:05.07 | Dewi | teledyn__: because I have an NTFS filesystem where the (almost) main directory is corrupt |
| 10:05.16 | raf256 | PingFloyd: yes |
| 10:05.17 | Dewi | teledyn__: and there's something wrong with the disk it's on |
| 10:05.24 | Guerin | rusher: what happens when you run `startx' at a shell |
| 10:05.25 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:05.31 | sid | rusher: apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome gdm |
| 10:05.47 | Dewi | teledyn__: at the moment it looks like I'll be using the PLD Linux Rescue CD, but it's 6 months old and SATA support is pretty new so... |
| 10:05.54 | teledyn__ | Dewi: does knoppix have it? |
| 10:06.06 | Dewi | teledyn__: hmm. good point, my knoppix is ooold |
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| 10:06.31 | rusher | thanks sid, it ist downloading the packages |
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| 10:06.42 | PingFloyd | Dewi: did you mean interactive or iterative? |
| 10:06.43 | Dewi | teledyn__: does knoppix have a command line mode? |
| 10:06.50 | Dewi | PingFloyd: well, both |
| 10:06.51 | teledyn__ | Dewi: even if its not on it you could just apt-get it from knoppix |
| 10:07.03 | Joelio | strange problem guys, I can't login with any normal users I create via SSH.. keep getting "System bootupo in progress" ??? |
| 10:07.07 | teledyn__ | Dewi: yes. press F3 at boot and read the instructions |
| 10:07.14 | fireba11 | i know this is more like a religious question but ... exim4 or postfix for a server with only a couple accounts but loads of incomming spam ? |
| 10:07.33 | sid | rusher: When it's done as root type # /etc/init.d/gdm restart; reset; exit; |
| 10:07.37 | cydork | !why exim |
| 10:07.40 | rusher | ok |
| 10:07.48 | cydork | hmm |
| 10:07.53 | cydork | !why exim4 |
| 10:07.53 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
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| 10:08.05 | Deepa | dovecot <3 |
| 10:08.27 | sid | rusher: If it still doesn't work after the packages download put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file on www.rafb.net/paste and put the url your create in here for us all to see. |
| 10:08.40 | rusher | ok |
| 10:08.42 | maddash | hark: I've installed the input-kbd and input-mouse pkgs as you told me, but startx now reports a new error message: "no screens found". any ideas? |
| 10:08.43 | sid | s/download/download and install/ |
| 10:08.45 | teledyn__ | dovecot kicks ass! i use it now for local mail, which i can read with any mail client |
| 10:09.06 | fireba11 | cydork: that was not my question. .. i want opinions what would fit my needs better :-) |
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| 10:09.27 | teledyn__ | no worry about evolution|kmail|sylpheed|mutt|whatever simultaneously access mailboxes! |
| 10:09.29 | maddash | hark: also, above that, there's "(EE) no devices detected" |
| 10:09.29 | rusher | i got that same error |
| 10:09.59 | sid | rusher: What error?(it's done already?) |
| 10:10.12 | teledyn__ | fireba11: why do you need an MTA for that? why not fetchmail + procmail + spamassassin ? |
| 10:10.16 | hark | maddash: yes, what's your graphics card, and what is specified as the driver in xorg.conf ( section device) |
| 10:10.16 | rusher | error processing texlive-lang-other |
| 10:10.20 | Guerin | that shit has been going wrong with a few things today |
| 10:10.25 | cydork | fireba11: actully some part of about the conf files is.. anyways i will vote for exim4 :) |
| 10:10.32 | PingFloyd | maddash: sounds like the keyboard and/or mouse setting your config file may be off |
| 10:10.35 | teledyn__ | fireba11: oh. its receiving incoming. |
| 10:10.55 | Guerin | PingFloyd: i've seen this already tonight and can't see any problem with the guy's config file |
| 10:11.02 | fireba11 | teledyn__: because i'm running a mailserver doh |
| 10:11.04 | Guerin | maddash: ati radeon? |
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| 10:11.10 | maddash | guerin: yep |
| 10:11.14 | teledyn__ | fireba11: yeah i just realized that! |
| 10:11.17 | maddash | guerin: good guess...how? |
| 10:11.20 | Guerin | maddash: try vesa, see if it works |
| 10:11.29 | PingFloyd | yeah, it could be with the video hardware as well |
| 10:11.34 | teledyn__ | fireba11: i like postfix for incoming smtp |
| 10:11.34 | maddash | pingfloyd, hark: should I re run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 10:11.36 | Guerin | maddash: you're the third or fourth person having trouble with ati gear today |
| 10:11.49 | PingFloyd | maddash: worth a shot |
| 10:12.00 | fireba11 | teledyn__: any real arguments for that or "just" good experiences ? |
| 10:12.02 | PingFloyd | but I would try what guerin suggested |
| 10:12.06 | PingFloyd | to help narrow it down |
| 10:12.14 | Dewi | cydork: 'why exim' doesn't really explain why exim is a good idea; merely why it's the default MTA for debian |
| 10:12.17 | maddash | hark: I have the radeon x300, and the device is "apm" |
| 10:12.20 | Deepa | NVIDIA+linux=decent |
| 10:12.26 | Guerin | Dewi: sure it explains why |
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| 10:12.33 | Deepa | ATI+linux=nothing i ever want to use again |
| 10:12.38 | PingFloyd | if it works with vanilla vesa then you at least know it's a video related issue from there |
| 10:12.41 | Guerin | Dewi: because it's `good enough' |
| 10:12.42 | enouf | Dewi: the etch installer has a rescue mode |
| 10:12.44 | teledyn__ | fireba11: not really. my experience has mostly been with limited traffic between server nodes in an isolated infrastructure |
| 10:12.46 | maddash | guerin: how do I try vesa? |
| 10:12.47 | Dewi | also the bot is dead to me |
| 10:12.52 | PingFloyd | most likely a problem with the ATI driver |
| 10:12.53 | Guerin | maddash: drxx, choose vesa |
| 10:12.55 | enouf | Dewi: even a resuegui |
| 10:13.01 | rusher | nvidia worked so much better |
| 10:13.01 | hark | maddash: no what does Driver: say? |
| 10:13.04 | enouf | er rescuegui |
| 10:13.05 | PingFloyd | which would be a huge surprise ;) |
| 10:13.08 | Dewi | enouf: I might boot my netinst and see what I get |
| 10:13.15 | Guerin | PingFloyd: one of the previous problems was the installer choosing `ati' driver instead of `radeon' |
| 10:13.16 | Deepa | Dewi: just get dovecot instead |
| 10:13.18 | Deepa | its much nicer |
| 10:13.24 | Dewi | Deepa: dovecot is not an MTA |
| 10:13.26 | Guerin | rusher: really fucking hard to track down |
| 10:13.32 | Deepa | it can be one |
| 10:13.37 | fireba11 | teledyn__: i get a couple thousand spam mails daily .. a stromg point for postfix right now is policyd-weight, point for exim4 is i already know it :-) |
| 10:13.38 | Guerin | rusher: sorry |
| 10:13.41 | Dewi | Deepa: oh. I didn't know that. :P |
| 10:13.42 | hark | maddash: It's under Section "Device" |
| 10:13.44 | enouf | Dewi: well I did it with the DVD binary-1.iso .. not sure what the CD1 or netinstall contain |
| 10:13.44 | maddash | "drxx"? "sudo drxx"? |
| 10:13.58 | maddash | hark: that's what driver says |
| 10:14.01 | Deepa | dovecot-pop3d + dovecot-smtp |
| 10:14.13 | Deepa | all ever needed for email :) |
| 10:14.14 | teledyn__ | fireba11: yeah something that integrates well with spamassassin or whatever. |
| 10:14.20 | Dewi | Deepa: I do actually tend to use dovecot; but on top of postfix. And it wasn't my question; it was fireba11 :) |
| 10:14.22 | moshii | Deepa: dovecot is only really a frontend |
| 10:14.24 | rusher | are you guys actually the offical debian developers? |
| 10:14.31 | Guerin | Deepa: why pop? |
| 10:14.35 | Guerin | rusher: mostly not |
| 10:14.39 | PingFloyd | yeah, I've never had any installers ever set up X right for me |
| 10:14.41 | maddash | hark: IDENTIFIER "ATI RADEON X300" \n DRIVER "apm" |
| 10:14.42 | yggdrasil | hi |
| 10:14.44 | Deepa | because i were lazy |
| 10:14.45 | Dewi | maddash: drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. or something |
| 10:14.49 | Deepa | and couldnt be arsed to get IMAP |
| 10:14.50 | PingFloyd | have always had to hand tweak the config |
| 10:14.52 | enouf | Dewi: IIRC. there's 6 or more choices I got , install{gui}, expert{gui}, rescue{gui} |
| 10:14.57 | Deepa | when my email client only supports pop3 |
| 10:14.59 | hark | maddash: apm? then change it to ati and also install xserver-xorg-viseo-ati |
| 10:15.01 | Dewi | enouf: cool |
| 10:15.12 | yggdrasil | well, is debian still useable? |
| 10:15.18 | Dewi | enouf: I just want stability... windows and ubuntu keep crashing on me |
| 10:15.18 | Deepa | 2 weeks after i stopped using that email client, i just were too lazy |
| 10:15.21 | teledyn__ | maddash: does that card work with the fglrx driver? |
| 10:15.21 | Guerin | yggdrasil: of course. |
| 10:15.23 | Deepa | yggdrasil: its highy usable :) |
| 10:15.27 | yggdrasil | oh |
| 10:15.28 | HardDisk_WP | how do i configure ez-ipupdate (for dyndns) to get my IP from a web service? |
| 10:15.38 | enouf | Dewi: might be a hardware issue .. |
| 10:15.38 | PingFloyd | yggdrasil: been highly useable for me and I use the "stoned age" version |
| 10:15.46 | Guerin | !helpfile ez-ipupdate |
| 10:15.46 | dpkg | For help with ez-ipupdate, look in /usr/share/doc/ez-ipupdate There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 10:15.49 | hark | maddash: *xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 10:15.52 | Dewi | enouf: this is on several different machines |
| 10:15.57 | maddash | teledyn__:yes I used it previously on ubuntu |
| 10:15.58 | fireba11 | Dewi : will use dovecot, am going for etch already since it's my personal server ... am just wondering if i should stick with exim or try postfix .. not really easy to decide, both got a lot of fans |
| 10:16.06 | enouf | Dewi: hrmm.. that's odd |
| 10:16.10 | Dewi | enouf: a disk shouldn't be able to kill machines, but this one can |
| 10:16.17 | enouf | hehe |
| 10:16.26 | blondie | call the police |
| 10:16.28 | Dewi | enouf: however the one commonality between all my machines is that I have all Silicon Image SATA controllers |
| 10:16.30 | enouf | Dewi: Oh .. it's 1 particular HDD? |
| 10:16.44 | Dewi | enouf: and maybe they don't cope well with whatever this poor disk is doing |
| 10:16.46 | teledyn__ | maddash: then why not use module-assistant to build/install the fglrx binary driver? |
| 10:16.56 | enouf | Dewi: using them in software RAID? or somesuch |
| 10:17.07 | Dewi | enouf: nah |
| 10:17.07 | Guerin | teledyn__: because the error he got isn't apparently a driver error? |
| 10:17.10 | teledyn__ | !tell maddash about fglrx |
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| 10:17.21 | hark | maddash: first get it working with the free driver. you can try the non-free one later |
| 10:17.29 | enouf | Dewi: well did you chekc the disk using Manu Diag, smartmontools, badblocks, etc ? |
| 10:17.39 | yggdrasil | well, is the SAS better than the SATA chip? |
| 10:17.40 | Dewi | enouf: my disk just suddenly got major issues and my rescue attempts keep crashing. Although ddrescue looks good; it does journalled dding and can resume |
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| 10:18.01 | maddash | hark: thanks a million. the ati driver was missing. that was the problem |
| 10:18.10 | teledyn__ | Guerin: is this the guy who was missing xorg components? did he install xorg? |
| 10:18.11 | enouf | Dewi: oh I see now .. you r just trying to rescue data off one awnery disk |
| 10:18.14 | rusher | what do you all think of beryl ? It was annoying to me |
| 10:18.19 | Dewi | enouf: don't think so; not yet. It doesn't really matter what they say; I will throw away the disk; I'm just trying to get data |
| 10:18.28 | maddash | teledyn__: I'll install the fglrx driver now |
| 10:18.38 | hark | maddash: it's working now? |
| 10:18.54 | enouf | Dewi: well .. ok then |
| 10:18.56 | maddash | hark: yes, icewm just loaded |
| 10:19.00 | cydork | rusher: it's not fucking buggy! |
| 10:19.00 | PingFloyd | rusher: my thoughts are, eye candy is overrated |
| 10:19.01 | Dewi | enouf: yeah. man you guys are helpful tonight; my question scrolled off screen aaages ago :) |
| 10:19.04 | cydork | bahh |
| 10:19.10 | cydork | s/not// |
| 10:19.18 | rusher | im not saying it is buggy |
| 10:19.22 | enouf | busy busy :-) |
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| 10:19.38 | teledyn__ | Dewi: order the replacement warranty drive from the mfg and when you get it swap the circuit board with the old drive. sometimes that works. |
| 10:19.39 | rusher | the auqa and beryl style of desktops are a inconveience |
| 10:20.04 | fireba11 | teledyn__: only with same firmware version |
| 10:20.06 | Guerin | teledyn__: yeh. |
| 10:20.06 | hark | maddash: heh, I've helped atleast 4 people with just about the same issue in the past week or so. Quite a common problem, i would say! |
| 10:20.07 | maddash | !tell me about fglrx |
| 10:20.33 | teledyn__ | maddash: /msg dpkg ..... |
| 10:20.38 | maddash | also, how do I add myself to the sudoers list? |
| 10:20.50 | maddash | I can't sudo properly...gotta "su" everything |
| 10:20.50 | Dewi | teledyn__: why would a mfg send me a replacement if I didn't send the drive to them? |
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| 10:20.56 | rusher | /etc/sudoers |
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| 10:20.58 | ElDios | hi there guys... |
| 10:21.02 | teledyn__ | Dewi: because that's what they do? |
| 10:21.02 | Dewi | teledyn__: is this one of those "america actually has customer service" things? |
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| 10:21.19 | selam | !dpkg nvidia |
| 10:21.23 | Dewi | teledyn__: how do they know I actually own a drive? :P |
| 10:21.27 | Dewi | teledyn__: and that it's broken? |
| 10:21.29 | PingFloyd | teledyn__: that's what good ones do |
| 10:21.33 | teledyn__ | maddash: visudo and man sudoers |
| 10:21.47 | ElDios | I've lots of annoying output on console but I dunno what programs is the author... so I cannot find what conf file I have to touch to cut it out... |
| 10:21.48 | teledyn__ | Dewi: serial # ? |
| 10:22.00 | teledyn__ | Dewi: they require you to d/l and run a test |
| 10:22.02 | ElDios | I suppose it's arno's firewall but I'm not 100% sure |
| 10:22.02 | PingFloyd | yep, serial number |
| 10:22.10 | ElDios | anyone have any idea? |
| 10:22.14 | teledyn__ | Dewi: you give them the error code |
| 10:22.24 | PingFloyd | regardless, they'll tell you what hoops you got to jump through for them |
| 10:22.39 | maddash | !tell me about fglrx |
| 10:22.43 | PingFloyd | you won't know if you sol until you call them |
| 10:22.47 | Dewi | teledyn__, PingFloyd : interesting. This is seagate btw... I've never heard of doing warranty without sending back the drive. That's pretty cool if they will. |
| 10:22.53 | teledyn__ | actually here in the US hard disk warranty support seems to be getting better. many or most now give 5 year warranties |
| 10:22.58 | blondie | whenever I've sent drives back, they ask for the old one back (either before or after they replace it) |
| 10:22.59 | PingFloyd | Dewi: worth a shot |
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| 10:23.05 | cableroy | i debootstraped a debian, now i can't umount det disk because, syslogd klogd and cron is useing files in the mount, any suggestion for fix? |
| 10:23.05 | PingFloyd | don't know until you try |
| 10:23.09 | Dewi | teledyn__: yeah seagate have 5 years here now, I don't know of any others |
| 10:23.12 | maddash | !tell me about fglrx |
| 10:23.19 | blondie | the seagate RMA website is made of fail |
| 10:23.23 | hark | !tell maddash about selftell |
| 10:23.24 | Dewi | PingFloyd: thanks |
| 10:23.24 | blondie | doesn't seem to work in Firefox |
| 10:23.27 | PingFloyd | plus, policies are alway changing over time |
| 10:23.27 | teledyn__ | blondie: they'll do it before if you leave a credit card number as a sort of deposit. |
| 10:23.29 | enouf | !tell maddash about selftell |
| 10:23.47 | teledyn__ | maddash: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 10:23.50 | PingFloyd | logitech was real cool in that way |
| 10:24.02 | PingFloyd | I didn't even have to return the original defective device ever |
| 10:24.07 | Dewi | hahaha |
| 10:24.11 | PingFloyd | they just shipped me another one and had me keep the old one |
| 10:24.13 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.18 | Dewi | I just asked dpkg why it hates me, and it answered :P |
| 10:24.21 | PingFloyd | this was with a keyboard type device |
| 10:24.22 | enouf | blondie: heh |
| 10:24.37 | blondie | I need to send a seagate laptop drive back |
| 10:25.04 | teledyn__ | the only drive that i had a problem with was a toshiba laptop drive. had one, died in a year. sent me exact same model. died in a year. called support and said i want a different model, which they refused. both failed in exactly the same way. |
| 10:25.28 | Dewi | teledyn__: yeah, that's the one failure of the whole "warranty" system |
| 10:25.40 | Dewi | teledyn__: particularly when they only calc it from the date of purchase |
| 10:25.42 | maddash | !non-free |
| 10:25.42 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 10:25.43 | blondie | well when I exchanged a maxtor one I got a newer model in return |
| 10:26.07 | teledyn__ | Dewi: but that was toshiba... |
| 10:26.16 | enouf | maddash: no SPACES prior to 1st / |
| 10:26.21 | teledyn__ | most other companies i've dealt with have been very good |
| 10:26.22 | maddash | what does dpkg mean by "add contrib non-free to the end of a sources.list line"? |
| 10:26.30 | maddash | after every line? after which line? |
| 10:26.34 | enouf | she means add contrib .. |
| 10:26.53 | enouf | every line that needs it |
| 10:26.56 | maddash | enouf: "sudo add contrib non-free"? |
| 10:26.57 | Dewi | teledyn__: I hear all kinds of really lovely stories from US hardware support |
| 10:27.04 | Dewi | teledyn__: I don't think things are nearly so nice here in .au |
| 10:27.09 | rusher | after switching from ubuntu -> etch, i realized ubuntu sucks! |
| 10:27.16 | enouf | maddash: no .. edit the file |
| 10:27.19 | maddash | rusher: roger that |
| 10:27.23 | predder | how do you message other users on the box |
| 10:27.34 | Dewi | teledyn__: warranties are very begrudging, it's almost like claiming insurance |
| 10:27.41 | enouf | maddash: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:27.55 | maddash | enouf: yeah, I know, I just needed to know which line to add it to |
| 10:28.23 | Joelio | strange problem guys, I can't login with any normal users I create via SSH.. keep getting "System bootupo in progress" ??? |
| 10:28.25 | enouf | maddash: or as root .. drop to tty .. use ctrl-alt-f{1-6} .. use alt-f7 to come back to X |
| 10:28.25 | teledyn__ | predder: write command |
| 10:28.25 | PingFloyd | maddash: yeah, you got the idea, just add the end of the line |
| 10:28.36 | Zta | What does it require to move from nfs3 to nfs4? Mount as "nfs4" instead of "nfs" and compile the kernel-nfs-server to use nfs4? |
| 10:28.56 | enouf | maddash: all except the security repos .. you better only have Etch (or testing) lines in there |
| 10:29.07 | maddash | enouf: haha I'm in tty already...using tinyirc |
| 10:29.19 | maddash | enouf: had no choice since X didn't work before |
| 10:29.25 | enouf | ahh |
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| 10:30.03 | maddash | enouf: why except the security repos? |
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| 10:30.25 | PingFloyd | that way you don't get security update for wrong release |
| 10:30.29 | PingFloyd | and fubar your system |
| 10:30.32 | enouf | there are no contrib non-free repos for security AFAIk |
| 10:30.46 | _villain | is the snort package in debian going to be updated any time soon? |
| 10:30.52 | maddash | makes sense |
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| 10:31.27 | Guerin | _villain: i'm sure it will be as soon as the snort maintainer can be arsed |
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| 10:31.30 | PingFloyd | I don't know if I would trust a 'contrib' security update ;) |
| 10:31.45 | Guerin | VMT2007: i'm sure a contributed backage would be welcome |
| 10:31.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:31.59 | _villain | oh, there's only one maintainer? |
| 10:32.00 | _villain | nice |
| 10:32.10 | Guerin | !maint snort |
| 10:32.17 | dpkg | snort: Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <jfs@computer.org> |
| 10:32.31 | selam | hi i have a question about nvidia and aiglx |
| 10:32.33 | enouf | !maint snort-common |
| 10:32.40 | dpkg | snort-common: Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <jfs@computer.org> |
| 10:32.50 | _villain | guess he does snort* |
| 10:33.06 | Guerin | that would make sense |
| 10:33.09 | maddash | diff xterm uxterm? is uxterm some debian extension to xterm? |
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| 10:33.26 | selam | i read the howto on wiki.debian.org and i try, but not work for me, i think my nvidia driver's is old, how to upgrade nvidia driver with debian way? |
| 10:33.54 | rusher | ok ping, it installed what u said and it does not work |
| 10:34.08 | setog3 | .. hi all .. my xmms, amarok, mplayer segfault .. I have this problem last month and solve it by removing nvidia-glx .. but now don't work any idea .. I suspect a lib .. glx something .. |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | selam: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 10:35.06 | rusher | x still does not work after installing apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome gdm |
| 10:35.10 | selam | Guerin: i read and i try , m-a say nvidia driver all ready installed |
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| 10:35.29 | Guerin | selam: then there's nowt to be done. |
| 10:35.29 | rusher | it said xserver-xfree86 is not installed also when I tried to do a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:35.37 | Guerin | rusher: use xserver-xorg |
| 10:35.45 | enouf | !tell rusher about drxx |
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| 10:35.52 | setog3 | .. hmm don't understand .. when I reinstall nvidia-glx .. all works fine .. |
| 10:35.53 | Zta | xingu_, NFS only supports 16 supplementary groups. The group I was using was beyond number 16, thus was handeled as if I wasn't a member of that group. Mystery solved. http://nfsworld.blogspot.com/2005/03/whats-deal-on-16-group-id-limitation.html |
| 10:36.02 | rusher | it is installed |
| 10:36.30 | enouf | read it again rusher |
| 10:36.33 | maddash | rusher: what does "DRIVER" say under SECTION "DEVICE" in xorg.conf? |
| 10:36.34 | xingu_ | Zta: nicely done |
| 10:36.50 | xingu_ | Zta: I did all my testing with primary or first secondary group; there you go |
| 10:37.08 | xingu_ | Zta: you're just a weirdo for having lotsa groups obviously <grin> |
| 10:37.33 | xingu_ | Zta: seriously though I've flushed similar bugs out of YP in days of yore |
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| 10:38.08 | selam | Guerin: i want to use 1.0.9XXX for try aiglx and m-a install 1.0.8776 driver |
| 10:38.22 | rusher | generic video card |
| 10:38.27 | xingu | Zta: thanks for the update though, even if I didn't really help much |
| 10:38.27 | Zta | xingu, I should probably change to nfs4 |
| 10:38.29 | rusher | druve aon |
| 10:38.31 | rusher | driver apm |
| 10:38.34 | Guerin | selam: what branch? |
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| 10:38.41 | xingu | Zta: I'd suggest that anyway, or at least nfs3/tcp. |
| 10:38.42 | michel | Hello |
| 10:38.55 | maddash | rusher: install xserver-xorg-driver-ati |
| 10:39.03 | xingu | Zta: the nfs4 security model's minimum requirements can be a bit to get your head around, I'll warn you |
| 10:39.04 | michel | I am looking for a tool to analyse log files. |
| 10:39.28 | michel | I try Awstats and webalyser but they don't do what I nedd |
| 10:39.34 | xingu | erp |
| 10:39.44 | PingFloyd | rusher: install xserver-xorg-driver-ati <-- that may be the whole problem. I totally forgot about how xorg is modularized |
| 10:39.46 | michel | I want to analyse my own log file (knid of php log file) |
| 10:39.47 | xingu | there, second time lucky. :) |
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| 10:40.01 | michel | Anyone can help me? |
| 10:40.09 | rusher | i ave nvidia though |
| 10:40.59 | gebruiker_ | what does exit 0 mean? |
| 10:41.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.19 | centrx | gebruiker_, it means the process exited successfully with no errors |
| 10:41.22 | PingFloyd | gebruiker_: means success |
| 10:41.47 | PingFloyd | exit 0 is what you want since it means no errors |
| 10:41.47 | gebruiker_ | i'm reading a bash program source and it says |
| 10:41.48 | gebruiker_ | exit 0 |
| 10:41.49 | centrx | Note: 0 does not mean 0 errors, but is a code for no errors |
| 10:41.54 | rusher | it is installing now PingFloyd |
| 10:41.54 | gebruiker_ | why not just exit? |
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| 10:42.03 | centrx | gebruiker_, because you can exit with erros |
| 10:42.06 | Guerin | gebruiker_: it did just exit |
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| 10:42.14 | maddash | !tell me about opera repository gpg |
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| 10:42.29 | centrx | gebruiker_, if something fails, you want the script to exit, but any processes that depend on that script should know it failed, and possibly how it failed |
| 10:42.30 | gebruiker_ | then what's the difference between exit 0 and exit? |
| 10:42.33 | maddash | !tell me about opera gpg |
| 10:42.42 | PingFloyd | gebruiker_: in a bash script, it means that it didn't exit with a different error condition |
| 10:43.03 | xingu | gebruiker_: in bash, "help exit" |
| 10:43.04 | maddash | anyone know how to verify the opera.com gpg after adding "deb.opera.com/opera" to sources.list? |
| 10:43.21 | _villain | d/quit |
| 10:43.24 | PingFloyd | for instance, somewhere in the script they may have other places for it to exit with a different error code if certain conditions are met |
| 10:44.05 | PingFloyd | it's the concept of the programming in error checking code |
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| 10:44.37 | michel | analog?? do you know to use it? |
| 10:44.40 | rusher | what should I do not Ping |
| 10:44.46 | rusher | *now |
| 10:45.32 | maddash | wow it's rarely this silent in #ubuntu |
| 10:45.41 | PingFloyd | rusher: did you try running dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg and see if the regular old vesa driver will get it to come up? |
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| 10:46.25 | rusher | it lets me choose ati or apm |
| 10:46.46 | enouf | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 10:46.57 | scx | Here an example of something I want to do ---> "/var/pic.png" to be a randomly choosen picture that culd be /var/pic1 "/var/pic2" "/var/pic3" "/var/pic4" |
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| 10:47.40 | scx | how can I do that, so that a program sill get a diferent picture everytime |
| 10:47.47 | Guerin | scx: read the advanced bash scripting guide |
| 10:47.54 | PingFloyd | scx: program a script? |
| 10:47.58 | Guerin | it's not really very advanced |
| 10:48.33 | PingFloyd | Guerin: yeah, seems like it's missing alot |
| 10:48.51 | Guerin | !alot |
| 10:48.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 10:48.58 | scx | puff, I don't guess how it could be done with bash... |
| 10:49.01 | nvz | the dictionary seems to be missing alot too |
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| 10:49.29 | Guerin | scx: just a matter of selecting a random file from a dir evern $time and setting a symlink |
| 10:49.39 | rusher | did nhot work |
| 10:49.55 | enouf | scx: or $ apt-cache search slideshow |
| 10:50.21 | scx | Guerin: Ah! got it! |
| 10:50.49 | scx | enouf: thanks but I needed something like what Guerin said |
| 10:50.55 | hark | rusher: what is the error you're getting? |
| 10:51.11 | nvz | !info randomlines |
| 10:51.20 | enouf | scx: heh .. scripting is always more fun .. though I can't do it well yet :-P |
| 10:51.32 | rusher | fatal server error: no screens found |
| 10:51.42 | enouf | !nvz++ |
| 10:51.47 | PingFloyd | rush you ran dpkg-reconfigure after you installed that driver that was mentioned? |
| 10:51.53 | rusher | yup |
| 10:52.01 | rusher | i installed nv, and ati and vesa and vga |
| 10:52.20 | hark | rusher: why? |
| 10:52.22 | PingFloyd | I take you tried them all |
| 10:52.31 | nvz | !info randomize-lines |
| 10:52.34 | rusher | yup |
| 10:52.38 | dpkg | randomize-lines: (randomize lines of input text), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2.5 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 45 kB |
| 10:52.39 | hark | rusher: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE |
| 10:52.53 | enouf | !uuoc |
| 10:52.53 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 10:53.05 | PingFloyd | rusher: yeah, at this point it would really help to see that log |
| 10:53.21 | xingu | enouf: the number of people I've seen use more <file> | grep ... |
| 10:53.31 | enouf | jack_wyt: just kidding .. it works though :=_ |
| 10:53.37 | hark | enouf: it's easier for them |
| 10:53.43 | my007ms | can openoffice open and edit MS office docs |
| 10:53.49 | rusher | log: no gile or directory |
| 10:53.53 | centrx | my007ms, yes |
| 10:53.54 | enouf | hark: ermm I meant to you not jack_wyt |
| 10:54.11 | xingu | enouf: actually if your grep isn't largefile safe, grep pattern <filename can be necessary |
| 10:54.12 | my007ms | even for excel |
| 10:54.21 | PingFloyd | my007ms: can do so better than MS Office in my opinion |
| 10:54.25 | centrx | my007ms, yes |
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| 10:54.46 | xingu | enouf: similarly with tar/bzip; you find out all sorts of fun stuff when file sizes go over 4GB. :) |
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| 10:54.54 | rusher | FAILED TO LOAD MODULE V41 |
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| 10:54.58 | enouf | xingu: hehe |
| 10:54.59 | Guerin | yeah ... because we often grep 4GB textfiles |
| 10:55.00 | rusher | FAILED TO LOAD MODULE KBD |
| 10:55.01 | Hotwire | PingFloyd: hardly |
| 10:55.03 | rusher | AND MOUSE |
| 10:55.12 | rusher | SCREENS FOUND, BUT NON HAVE A USABLE CONFIGURATION |
| 10:55.15 | Guerin | rusher: this has been happening in etch all day |
| 10:55.17 | centrx | my007ms, if a new version of MSOffice comes out, OpenOffice might not be able to properly handle graphs or some complex table feature, but it works |
| 10:55.21 | Guerin | rusher: stop |
| 10:55.28 | hark | rusher: alright, that's enough :) |
| 10:55.35 | my007ms | i have plan to change MS office with openoffice so i was think abut i will have to wait ppl to learn it or it will work very look like MS office |
| 10:56.03 | enouf | rusher: configure your stuff .. modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev .. |
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| 10:56.07 | Guerin | rusher: radeon? |
| 10:56.15 | enouf | rusher: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 10:56.17 | fireba11 | my007ms: i think the change from officexp to openoffice is smaller than from officexp to office 2007 |
| 10:56.29 | Guerin | enouf: this didn't work in previous cases |
| 10:56.45 | centrx | my007ms, it looks and works similarly to msoffice |
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| 10:56.50 | enouf | which Guerin .. the input-all ? |
| 10:56.50 | centrx | my007ms, you know you can just download and try it out? |
| 10:56.51 | rusher | OK |
| 10:56.56 | rusher | NVIDIA |
| 10:57.04 | scx | my eyes cry for sleeping, my body too, my mind doesn't! |
| 10:57.09 | rusher | onboard 256mb nvidia |
| 10:57.13 | my007ms | centrx, it's downloading now but i can not wait |
| 10:57.16 | my007ms | ;) |
| 10:57.30 | Guerin | enouf: yeh. |
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| 10:57.40 | Guerin | !ops can we get a /topic line saying xorg in etch is busted? |
| 10:57.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: can we get a /topic line saying xorg in etch is busted |
| 10:57.58 | enouf | then modprobe must be in order .. I bet it's a Laptop Guerin .. heh |
| 10:58.13 | Guerin | enouf: yeh, a couple of others were laptops, too |
| 10:58.14 | enouf | oh .. that bad .. hrmmm. |
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| 10:59.51 | cydork | Guerin: xorg busted? |
| 11:00.06 | Guerin | cydork: seems so. |
| 11:00.07 | hark | xorg is fine |
| 11:00.12 | Ronin | cydork: highly technical term :) |
| 11:00.18 | Guerin | hark: just installed today? |
| 11:00.38 | iveqy | hi, I'm having problems with installing debian stable. My network card is not detected. My computer is a Acer M8 and the network driver that linpus used was skge |
| 11:00.40 | rusher | my x is busted |
| 11:00.41 | xingu | Guerin: probably help if there was a bts ref. |
| 11:00.45 | cydork | Guerin: i installed yesterday and worked fine. |
| 11:00.58 | Guerin | xingu: yeh, but nobody who's experienced it so far has even known what the BTS is |
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| 11:01.11 | hark | Guerin: well, no. But I've seen this same problem for about a week or more. |
| 11:01.11 | Guerin | cydork: well, I've been dealing with this shit all freaking day |
| 11:01.18 | Joelio | strange problem guys, I can't login with any normal users I create via SSH.. keep getting "System bootupo in progress" ??? |
| 11:01.19 | Guerin | hark: what's the fix? |
| 11:01.27 | xingu | Joelio: rm /etc/nologin |
| 11:02.03 | hark | Guerin: install the missing modules manually, and the driver as well |
| 11:02.40 | Guerin | hark: mm, i tried that shit earlier. psmouse, hid, xserver-xorg-input-all? |
| 11:03.33 | rusher | that did not work on mine |
| 11:03.49 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:04.01 | hark | rusher: what does the log say now? |
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| 11:04.15 | Knight_Lord | How do I get the name of the current directory without the path, using a shell command? |
| 11:04.22 | rusher | pwd |
| 11:04.32 | Guerin | without path |
| 11:04.33 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying pwd | grep -o '/[^/]*$' |
| 11:04.41 | Knight_Lord | but I still get the first / |
| 11:04.45 | Knight_Lord | and it's not pretty |
| 11:04.46 | rusher | same, as before fatal server error: no screens found |
| 11:05.03 | Joelio | xingu: Thanks!!! :) |
| 11:05.04 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: basename $(pwd) |
| 11:05.05 | rusher | failed to load module kdb and module mouse EE no devices dtected |
| 11:05.06 | nvz | Knight_Lord: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:05.22 | Guerin | nvz: 00:04:16 < Knight_Lord> How do I get the name of the current directory without the path |
| 11:05.27 | hark | rusher: did you install xserver-xorg-input-kbd ? |
| 11:05.38 | hark | rusher: and xserver-xorg-input-mouse ? |
| 11:05.53 | Knight_Lord | Guerin thanks a lot, that's exactly what i wanted |
| 11:05.59 | Guerin | :) |
| 11:06.20 | Knight_Lord | One a more general note, is there any command that removes characters from a string, either from the begging or the end? |
| 11:06.22 | nvz | Knight_Lord: ah, well Guerin got that.. but you would probably want cut -d "/" -f 1 instead of grep if you went that route |
| 11:06.32 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: sed |
| 11:06.35 | cydork | Knight_Lord: or use basename |
| 11:06.39 | xingu | Knight_Lord: basename `pwd` |
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| 11:06.43 | Knight_Lord | I'll use it |
| 11:06.51 | cydork | !lose xingu |
| 11:06.51 | dpkg | xingu: You Lose. |
| 11:06.53 | OllieD | hello |
| 11:06.59 | Guerin | cydork: you lose, too |
| 11:07.03 | nvz | heh |
| 11:07.14 | cydork | heh :P |
| 11:07.18 | rusher | kde package does not existy |
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| 11:07.26 | Knight_Lord | nvz the cut solutoin doesn't really work |
| 11:07.39 | nvz | rusher: good, sounds like a perfect world you live in |
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| 11:07.50 | adrakoa | hi |
| 11:08.15 | nvz | Knight_Lord: heh, guess not :P |
| 11:08.34 | PingFloyd | nvz: no, perfect world would include Windows |
| 11:08.49 | Guerin | PingFloyd: so you can defenestrate shit |
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| 11:08.59 | nvz | PingFloyd: put that crackpipe down and back away slowly |
| 11:09.09 | xingu | Knight_Lord: pwd | awk -F/ '{ print $NF }' :) |
| 11:09.41 | nvz | this is an intervention |
| 11:09.41 | PingFloyd | scroll back |
| 11:09.42 | Guerin | xingu: uuu-gly |
| 11:09.42 | xingu | Guerin: a specialty of mine |
| 11:09.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:09.47 | Guerin | i love awk |
| 11:09.56 | xingu | Guerin: I have a vast and amazing array of crap other people wrote burned into my eyeballs |
| 11:09.57 | Guerin | it keeps me from learning perl for text manipulation |
| 11:10.01 | rusher | wow my display works thansk everyone |
| 11:10.01 | xingu | Guerin: the goggles, they did nothing |
| 11:10.05 | PingFloyd | rusher: kde package does not existy <- nvz: rusher: good, sounds like a perfect world you live in <- PingFloyd: nvz: no, perfect world would include Windows |
| 11:10.11 | Guerin | hark: you win |
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| 11:10.22 | Guerin | rusher: what did you do to fix it? |
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| 11:10.29 | OllieD | secret |
| 11:10.33 | rusher | install kdb and mouse thing |
| 11:10.40 | hark | someone should file an installation/bug report |
| 11:10.45 | rusher | etch setup never installed the xorg and those 2 packages |
| 11:10.48 | xingu | Guerin, hark: so what's the issue then, is the -input-all metapackage not installing -kbd/-mouse properly? |
| 11:11.08 | Guerin | xingu: would appear to be something like that |
| 11:11.31 | xingu | Guerin, hark: and is there a bts report for this, or are we doomed to be "the xorg packing fuckup channel" until etch r2 ? |
| 11:11.58 | xingu | s/packing/packaging/ |
| 11:12.26 | Cyis | okay I'm off to get some shuteye... |
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| 11:15.19 | enouf | rusher: you did indeed install -input-all PRIOR to trying the -mouse and -kbd ? Yes? hark had mentioned to install those way up earlier .. twice no less |
| 11:15.51 | hark | probably did not |
| 11:16.00 | adrakoa | a "Nmu" is make a package with the patch? |
| 11:16.08 | rusher | yes |
| 11:16.32 | rusher | I installed the input all and then the kdb and mouse, KDB only installed fro aptitude, apt-get from command line said it did not exist |
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| 11:16.46 | adrakoa | and if i'm not manteiner howto i do that? |
| 11:17.29 | Guerin | adrakoa: #debian-mentors |
| 11:17.36 | adrakoa | ok, thx |
| 11:18.01 | enouf | rusher: can you psot the exact URL you bot the ISO from? .. and can you tell us you method of install (install/expert)? .. also Make/Model of your laptop please |
| 11:18.12 | enouf | s/bot/got |
| 11:18.24 | fireba11 | someone posted a link to a graphical display of etch bugs yesterday .. can i have that once more ? |
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| 11:18.51 | enouf | is dunc-tanc still around? |
| 11:19.01 | enouf | erm .. however it was spelled |
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| 11:20.21 | Guerin | enouf: ttbomk |
| 11:20.32 | rusher | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso (amd64, custom built machine, nvidia card onboard 25mb ram, netinstaller cd) |
| 11:21.26 | enouf | rusher .. thanks so that's a custom-built Laptop? .. if not can you tell me your Mobo make/model? |
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| 11:21.49 | enouf | I'm thinking NO to craptop |
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| 11:22.10 | rusher | it is a desktop |
| 11:22.26 | rusher | my laptop worked perfectly (intel GMA 900) |
| 11:22.35 | enouf | rusher: hrmm .. ok |
| 11:22.55 | enouf | rusher: which motherboard? |
| 11:22.58 | rusher | asus |
| 11:23.04 | enouf | and? |
| 11:23.04 | rusher | dunno model # |
| 11:23.11 | rusher | asus amd 64x2 |
| 11:23.14 | rusher | 2gig ram |
| 11:23.32 | enouf | apt-get install lshw hwinfo dmidecode ..rusher |
| 11:23.37 | xingu | rusher: dmidecode, paste (ask dpkg) |
| 11:23.42 | xingu | hah |
| 11:23.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 11:23.53 | enouf | xingu: the pkg deal |
| 11:24.30 | rusher | it is downloading kde now , one min |
| 11:25.00 | cableroy | i debootstraped a debian, now i can't umount det disk because, syslogd klogd and cron is useing files in the mount, any suggestion for fix? |
| 11:26.08 | CharminTheMoose | cableroy: try stopping syslogd klogd and cron? |
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| 11:26.37 | Dewi | cableroy: using the scripts in /etc/init.d/* |
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| 11:27.48 | adrakoa | but the script sendsigs does it? |
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| 11:30.13 | my007ms | i have thunderbird |
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| 11:30.34 | my007ms | but i don't see .thunderbird folder in my home |
| 11:30.47 | my007ms | so where thunderbird save the mail |
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| 11:31.47 | tarzeau | my007ms: check its configuration |
| 11:32.02 | cydork | my007ms: is there a mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 11:32.16 | my007ms | no also |
| 11:32.23 | tarzeau | ~/.mozilla-thunderbird |
| 11:32.36 | cydork | my007ms: ^^ |
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| 11:36.34 | enouf | xingu: btw .. how would yougo about grabbbing this + the next 4 lines say .. hwinfo | egrep "Board Info" .. I tried piping to tail -4 after, but nothing as expected |
| 11:36.35 | Knight_Lord | Can i check if a file doesn't exist by if(! -e $project-$1) then ? |
| 11:36.39 | Knight_Lord | I'm using tcsh |
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| 11:37.40 | xingu | enouf: grep -A 4 |
| 11:38.01 | enouf | xingu: cool .. lessee |
| 11:38.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 11:38.13 | enouf | Knight_Lord: tried #tcsh ? |
| 11:38.17 | HardDisk_WP | how do i install the JRE for firefox? |
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| 11:38.30 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: use the java-package package? |
| 11:38.35 | HardDisk_WP | if I use the sun installer and link the .so plugin, my Firefox 2 crashes |
| 11:38.47 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: works fine here |
| 11:39.13 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, i try...maybe it crashes bcause the plugin is for netscape... |
| 11:39.26 | Knight_Lord | enouf no, i'm very partial to debian :-) |
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| 11:39.44 | Knight_Lord | besides tcsh and csh are both empty |
| 11:39.51 | enouf | Knight_Lord: but it's a shell specific question :-P |
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| 11:39.54 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, i installed java-package, but Firefox doewsnt recognize a java plugin |
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| 11:40.05 | Knight_Lord | enouf ok in bash then |
| 11:40.09 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: dunno, it works here |
| 11:40.13 | enouf | Knight_Lord: try #bash .. lol |
| 11:40.25 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
| 11:40.40 | enouf | Knight_Lord: or even the C channels |
| 11:40.41 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, :-( |
| 11:40.55 | PingFloyd | HardDisk_WP: did you link the right .so? there's 2 |
| 11:41.04 | enouf | xingu: you da man! :-) |
| 11:41.12 | enouf | hwinfo | grep -A 4 "Board Info" works the dream |
| 11:41.14 | PingFloyd | intended for different versions |
| 11:41.15 | Knight_Lord | enouf they would kill me in the C channels |
| 11:41.19 | CharminTheMoose | is it theoretically possible to run all manner of 2005/2006 games/applications on a quite crappy computer? |
| 11:41.20 | HardDisk_WP | PingFloyd, i linked the ns7-gcc, as this one was specified for mozilla |
| 11:41.47 | CharminTheMoose | ie quake 3 or 4 or windows vista? |
| 11:42.13 | Knight_Lord | enouf i'm pretty well imunized against #debian :-) |
| 11:42.28 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: on an altair 8800? I'd guess no |
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| 11:43.05 | CharminTheMoose | heh, xingu I mean on like, a 6 year old computer |
| 11:43.19 | enouf | xingu: but you don't realize how much so .. I've been looking for a way to grab info like that from lshal and other hw utils .. asked in bash even .. I did review the relevant grep docs .. but obviously not close enough |
| 11:43.22 | CharminTheMoose | i'm kinda interested on how far you can push hardware |
| 11:43.31 | xingu | enouf: it's a GNU thing |
| 11:43.31 | enouf | xingu: so thanks a ton .. |
| 11:43.38 | PingFloyd | like so? /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 11:43.43 | enouf | now ... it makes sense |
| 11:43.45 | Timsen | hi @ll, i want to write a simple backupscript for a server, how can I backup the route I added in the last weeks? |
| 11:43.46 | xingu | enouf: but a useful thing to know :) |
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| 11:44.00 | enouf | indeed |
| 11:44.58 | Timsen | I mean where are the settings stored for the route details? i tried to find the file but I can't |
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| 11:46.28 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone tell me why "if( !(-e $project-$1) ) then" is illegal syntax? |
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| 11:48.24 | Ny-Ty | hi |
| 11:48.32 | Ny-Ty | anyoe have unstable x64 debian with ati graphic card ? |
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| 11:48.52 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 11:49.09 | CharminTheMoose | hi dr.nick! |
| 11:49.52 | Ramattack | who's user is sent local mail by debian packages software for who is required an mta? |
| 11:49.58 | Ramattack | for root user? |
| 11:49.58 | Ny-Ty | i have problem with ati drivers |
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| 11:50.10 | Ny-Ty | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:50.20 | Ny-Ty | i just speak with many peoples and i ask google to |
| 11:50.21 | Ny-Ty | too |
| 11:50.29 | Ny-Ty | but i dont fix it :( |
| 11:50.32 | Ny-Ty | anyoe know how to ? |
| 11:51.18 | Ramattack | anybody know this please? |
| 11:51.50 | tonyb2007 | 6 |
| 11:51.51 | Ramattack | and what could happen if a mail is not sent because of badly configured mta to non root user? |
| 11:51.54 | tonyb2007 | err.ignore that |
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| 11:53.30 | enouf | xingu: aha .. the -in (or other options like these) has to precede the -A Nn .. so a 'lshw | grep -in -A 12 asus' should work the charm for rusher |
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| 11:54.12 | moshii | Ramattack: I think it's handled in /etc/aliases |
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| 11:57.00 | Ramattack | so for example if you've there... www:root mail is sent to www |
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| 11:57.26 | Ramattack | so as seen here all mail to local users is sent to root... |
| 11:57.30 | Ramattack | or can be set to send to root |
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| 11:57.46 | Ramattack | isn't it= |
| 11:57.49 | Ramattack | ? |
| 11:57.49 | enouf | channel regs .. so what's the concensus before I let the Amd64 netinstall Xorg woes (rusher) roll away? How can I help, if anything .. should 'someone' make a BTS report? .. or is it 'resolvable' and considered generally pebkac error? I'm thinking the initial insatkll didn't go so well |
| 11:58.14 | enouf | perhaps .. oh well .. he's gone |
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| 11:59.48 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure the 2 extra keys on my 5key-mouse? |
| 12:00.00 | HardDisk_WP | kde control center only supports 3 buttons |
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| 12:00.29 | HardDisk_WP | and how do i stop that pressing of mouse wheel has same effect as CTRL-V? |
| 12:01.03 | alexber220 | I have 10 key - mouse. 2 key back next is worked |
| 12:02.01 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: the generic answer would be: xmodmap |
| 12:02.26 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, whats that? |
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| 12:02.59 | alexber220 | help me please |
| 12:03.00 | alexber220 | when I install NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.0-0310-pkg1.run on Debian Etch net success installed |
| 12:03.00 | alexber220 | sound with errors |
| 12:03.00 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: a way/method to map keycodes to actions |
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| 12:03.10 | Ramattack | does anyone know this please? or what could happen if the wanted to send mail cannot be send |
| 12:03.20 | Ramattack | could this hang an app? |
| 12:03.24 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, thx, i'll try |
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| 12:03.38 | spo0nman | "ImportError: No module named _bsddb |
| 12:03.38 | spo0nman | " what does this mean? |
| 12:03.43 | xingu | enouf: holding pattern, see how many people get bit I guess is the go |
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| 12:04.16 | xingu | enouf: if root cause becomes apparent raise a specific bug for it; if not encourage victims to. |
| 12:04.46 | enouf | xingu: m k .. just gotta leave soon .. and wanted to maybe gather/pass along some info (anything pertitnent like ARCH= specific and such as well) |
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| 12:05.14 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: this might of some use: http://iew3.technion.ac.il/CC/Comp_news/muo-may02/xwin/xmouse.html |
| 12:05.52 | enouf | xingu: yes .. agrred .. ALl users aere encouraged to file "Installation reports" success or otherwise .. but especially if there are errors (and repeatable) |
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| 12:06.02 | enouf | er ALL |
| 12:06.07 | raf256 | with aptlist-bugs |
| 12:06.20 | enouf | reportbug .. too |
| 12:06.22 | raf256 | can I give a command to install all packages except onse with open bugs |
| 12:07.11 | enouf | raf256: also may want to search all the various 'levels' of bugs .. hrm |
| 12:07.24 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, strange. i see 9 butons |
| 12:07.26 | raf256 | enouf: ? |
| 12:07.41 | enouf | raf256: that's an ever revolving list as well |
| 12:08.08 | enouf | raf256: there are some 5-7 levels from grave .. down to 'wish list?' |
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| 12:08.31 | enouf | raf256: so no workey .. b/c of wishlist bugs? |
| 12:08.51 | raf256 | enouf: perhaps you are correct |
| 12:09.00 | enouf | jack_wyt_: you realize you're joing parting verty often? |
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| 12:09.12 | enouf | s/verty/very |
| 12:09.20 | enouf | raf256: yeah .. |
| 12:10.03 | yggdrasil | hello, how are you today? |
| 12:10.06 | enouf | raf256: plus there's the rotational thing like from unstable to testing |
| 12:10.19 | enouf | yggdrasil: if that's you .. thanks .. and hello |
| 12:10.38 | yggdrasil | I am I |
| 12:10.44 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:10.50 | yggdrasil | ^_^ |
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| 12:13.28 | Knight_Lord | How can i replace " " with "_" in a string using a command? |
| 12:13.52 | Knight_Lord | I found replace(1), unfortunately it doesn't exist in MacOSX |
| 12:14.02 | amphi | Knight_Lord: tr(1) |
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| 12:14.15 | amphi | Knight_Lord: or sed |
| 12:14.58 | Knight_Lord | tr works fine, thanks :-) |
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| 12:16.32 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, hmm. changing the protocol to explorerps/2 (as this is the right protocol for my mouse) did help only for disabling the nasty behaviour of the side buttons |
| 12:16.40 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, but clicking the mouse wheel still is like ctrl+v :-( |
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| 12:19.49 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: k control center has all that stuff .. under Desktop > Window settings or somesuch .. especially for the middle wheel |
| 12:20.35 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, nope. at least i cant see anything regarding the mouse wheel |
| 12:20.46 | HardDisk_WP | only the switch between left hand/right hand |
| 12:20.51 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk, dinner |
| 12:21.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you are not even warm |
| 12:22.17 | enouf | and you are blind |
| 12:25.30 | HardDisk_WP | i know |
| 12:25.33 | Ramattack | time to go guys |
| 12:25.36 | Ramattack | have a nice day |
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| 12:29.00 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, http://harddisk.homedns.org/kcc.png |
| 12:29.04 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk |
| 12:30.19 | enouf | wtf? courtesy drive-by pr0n? .. |
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| 12:31.50 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 12:31.50 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
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| 12:31.54 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:32.25 | sts | did anybody of you ever install a serverraid-8i into an ibm xseries machine? |
| 12:34.31 | yggdrasil | nobody |
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| 12:36.14 | yggdrasil | sts, does ibm still support these gears? |
| 12:37.01 | sts | yggdrasil: i bought a xseries 3850 in december but i can't get the sas controller up and running... |
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| 12:37.14 | sts | yggdrasil: so.. yes |
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| 12:37.52 | sts | yggdrasil: i'm not rich. i'm just a sysadmin! :) |
| 12:38.01 | yggdrasil | grrr... |
| 12:38.20 | yggdrasil | ibm=made-in-china? |
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| 12:38.28 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i dont have pr0n on my machine |
| 12:38.29 | yggdrasil | O.o |
| 12:38.34 | sts | lol |
| 12:38.48 | sts | yggdrasil: ? |
| 12:38.49 | enouf | why the f not HardDisk_WP ? |
| 12:39.02 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, the pr0n is stored on my iPod(15GB) |
| 12:39.05 | yggdrasil | sts, skip my last message |
| 12:39.07 | HardDisk_WP | xDDD |
| 12:39.10 | enouf | ah... |
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| 12:39.22 | sts | ok |
| 12:39.22 | enouf | portable-pr0n |
| 12:39.42 | HardDisk_WP | iPorn |
| 12:39.54 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: so you found the area to alter the settings? |
| 12:40.07 | yggdrasil | HardDisk_WP, lol, your ipod got an addition value |
| 12:40.15 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, yay, but in no one of the tabs there is something about the wheel |
| 12:40.18 | enouf | iClone |
| 12:40.28 | sts | lol my raid controller can get kernel panics.... thats cool tho.. |
| 12:40.36 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: english .. please |
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| 12:41.09 | mario__ | hi |
| 12:41.13 | yggdrasil | ji |
| 12:41.17 | yggdrasil | hi |
| 12:41.39 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i cant see anything to switch, even not the "KDE-Kontrollzentrum einrichten" |
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| 12:41.48 | yggdrasil | mario__, how is your netendo? |
| 12:41.55 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: ok .. you gonna hang a sec? |
| 12:42.02 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 12:42.07 | enouf | ok |
| 12:42.07 | mario__ | yggdrasil: :) |
| 12:42.13 | yggdrasil | :) |
| 12:42.41 | mario__ | yggdrasil: I prefer ps3 :P |
| 12:42.47 | yggdrasil | sure |
| 12:43.00 | yggdrasil | ps1 -> ps2 -> ps3.... |
| 12:43.15 | mario__ | well, I installed 2.6.18-3 in an amd64, on reboot linux hangs |
| 12:43.35 | mario__ | error: libcrypto.so.1 not found |
| 12:43.52 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: k control center > Desktop > Window Behavior > Window Actions .. Middle Button is your wheel |
| 12:43.58 | yggdrasil | iirc, this is an old question |
| 12:44.00 | mario__ | that's weird cause I've got it in my machine |
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| 12:45.03 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, doesnt have any effect to firefox |
| 12:45.05 | mario__ | yggdrasil: why? |
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| 12:45.27 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: that's diff Firefox Option has a setting fro that |
| 12:45.29 | yggdrasil | it's a long long story |
| 12:45.59 | mario__ | but is there solution already or do I have to wait? |
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| 12:47.11 | yggdrasil | mario__, you can go to MARC first |
| 12:47.34 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, but still kate/kedit/kwrite make ctrl-v on mousewheel press |
| 12:47.53 | yggdrasil | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ |
| 12:47.57 | HardDisk_WP | and as i always scroll with mousewheel, it is pretty annoying to code with this settingt |
| 12:48.23 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: k control center > Desktop > Behavior > General |
| 12:48.47 | enouf | Middle button No action perhaps .. |
| 12:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, yay, i set it to "no action", still nothing. do i have restart X that it takes effect? |
| 12:49.19 | enouf | No shjouldn't at all ... do you have Konqui open? |
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| 12:49.37 | mario__ | yggdrasil: ok |
| 12:49.43 | yggdrasil | try it |
| 12:49.44 | enouf | You shouldn't have to restart X for any of this |
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| 12:50.00 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i have knqueror open |
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| 12:50.27 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: yeah .. then close and reopen whatever K apps you're using |
| 12:50.33 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 12:50.35 | HardDisk_WP | brb |
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| 12:52.43 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, it may be that i am too stupid for it, but restarting x/kde didnt help |
| 12:53.38 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: nah .. kde is stupidd.. I never had to do what you want .. I'm looking .. I know of atleast two dif ways tyo do it .. but they're hard to explain |
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| 12:56.27 | PDani | hi |
| 12:56.50 | PDani | i have a problem with mysql-server-5.1 package in debian etch amd64 |
| 12:57.10 | PDani | i can't install it because it depends on mysql-common 5.1 |
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| 12:57.37 | fireba11 | where is the problem ? |
| 12:57.38 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, :( |
| 12:57.42 | solars_ | hi I'm looking for a tool to monitor clients in a lan/wlan, I had one but I don't remember the name, does anyone have some suggestions ? |
| 12:57.51 | PDani | fireba11: i can't install it |
| 12:57.55 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: still looking .. |
| 12:58.06 | fireba11 | why ? |
| 12:58.06 | PDani | because mysql-common-5.1 apparently not available |
| 12:58.16 | PDani | only the 5.0* |
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| 12:59.53 | PDani | any solution |
| 12:59.54 | PDani | ? |
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| 13:01.41 | HardDisk_WP | ok, gonna help my sister, it seems her ram is wrecked |
| 13:01.45 | HardDisk_WP | brb 1hr |
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| 13:02.05 | PDani | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.03 | raf256 | enouf: its wishlist now |
| 13:05.10 | fireba11 | PDani: stick with 5.0 for now ? |
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| 13:05.49 | solars_ | does anyone know a good tool to list clients in a lan |
| 13:06.22 | fireba11 | solars_: "list clients" ? |
| 13:06.39 | solars_ | fireba11, something like an interactive arpwatch |
| 13:06.58 | solars_ | fireba11, that shows clients in a LAN |
| 13:07.03 | fireba11 | solars_: for what purpose ? see what box is on ? |
| 13:07.13 | solars_ | fireba11, yes |
| 13:07.38 | fireba11 | solars_: nagios as a monitoring tool .. if that is what you want |
| 13:08.36 | solars_ | fireba11, nagios is a bit overkill imho... I remember some ethernet monitor but don't know the fsckin name :/ |
| 13:09.04 | Dewi | What package is raw(3) included in? |
| 13:09.05 | petemc | nmap -sP |
| 13:09.12 | Dewi | oops |
| 13:09.15 | Dewi | raw(8) |
| 13:09.46 | fireba11 | solars_ : hm .. oki, don't know it it seems |
| 13:09.53 | solars_ | petemc, I don't know the hosts |
| 13:09.59 | solars_ | fireba11, thanks anyways :) |
| 13:10.07 | dummy | broadcast ping? |
| 13:10.12 | petemc | solars_: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 13:11.11 | xingu | solars_: ntop? |
| 13:12.07 | solars_ | petemc, I think it used arp requests.. |
| 13:12.24 | solars_ | damn I can't remember that name |
| 13:12.30 | solars_ | xingu, not ntop .. |
| 13:15.53 | nayyares | my email server receive emails through dovecot and it place them into their directories/mailbox, but squirrelmail is unable to get them? while i am able to send emails from squirrel mail |
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| 13:16.15 | xingu | solars_: back in the day there was a modeller called netman that was capable of showing a realtime endpoint/flow map in a gui, but that's going back a good 14y or so now. |
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| 13:16.38 | xingu | solars_: wireshark can show a similar view, but not afaik in realtime, it's a postprocessing pass there. |
| 13:16.47 | solars_ | xingu, that would be nice |
| 13:16.48 | xingu | solars_: what you're really trying to reinvent is the rmon host matrix |
| 13:17.02 | solars_ | xingu, yeah I'm looking for a realtime monitor, but most are postprocessing the data |
| 13:17.03 | xingu | s/host/flow/ |
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| 13:19.14 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: seems need done at the X Server level in the .conf file .. see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Using_the_X_server_.28kernel_2.6.11.2B.29 notice and read the "EmulateWheelTimeOut" to "1" areas .. depending on whether you use Sarge(Xfree86) or Etch(Xorg) .. you can then decide the appropriate fix |
| 13:20.11 | solars_ | xingu, etherape seems something like that |
| 13:20.51 | xingu | solars_: quite likely |
| 13:21.16 | xingu | solars_: etherman was part of the netman suite. |
| 13:21.34 | solars_ | xingu, ah |
| 13:21.43 | solars_ | xingu, it looks quite good, and its realtime |
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| 13:22.41 | E-bola | How do I enable php4 on apache 2.2 in etch? |
| 13:22.46 | E-bola | i thought there was a command called aenable? |
| 13:22.54 | enouf | raf256: huh? .. it got demoted/promoted? |
| 13:23.06 | raf256 | enouf: it was turned into wish |
| 13:23.18 | petemc | E-bola: a2enmod |
| 13:23.22 | enouf | raf256: oh crap .. it started out as how? |
| 13:23.48 | E-bola | ahh thanks |
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| 13:24.24 | enouf | raf256: that was the wrong pkg anyway .. maybe(??) : so just tell everyone this one liner for now --> modprobe -r pcspkr; echo "pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist <-- and report bugs in the meantime to the module/kernel devels whom enable it as default |
| 13:24.46 | raf256 | enouf: black listing a device is a crazy way of stoping shell from making sound |
| 13:24.52 | ujwal | dpkg, isn't there a graphical pacage manager for debian |
| 13:25.10 | raf256 | its like stopping a car by cutting off the fuel pipe |
| 13:25.25 | enouf | BTW there are settings in K Control Center for Pc Speaker .. thery;re in the Accessibilty area though .. and it's stupid to have to use that to kill it anyway .. and likely would NOT affect the TTYs anyway .. as it's a Mobo Piezo spkr that does it |
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| 13:25.43 | raf256 | enouf: the point is I want pc spekaer but not in console |
| 13:25.46 | enouf | raf256: not at all .. very easily reEnabled |
| 13:25.56 | mikefoo_ | Have a problem. We have several servers around the US, and from out west coast server to eas coast server I can't get bandwidth over 5Mbit/sec but its a 100Mbit/sec line. What could be the reasoning behind this? |
| 13:28.03 | enouf | raf256: oh .. now i getcha |
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| 13:28.04 | fireba11 | mikefoo_: you sure it got not only 100MBit lan in the rack but can actually use that ? |
| 13:28.05 | raf256 | enouf: speaking of polls, you did take my hardware poll already :) ? |
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| 13:28.06 | mikefoo_ | it is 100mbit lan and wan |
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| 13:28.16 | E-bola | lol |
| 13:28.25 | E-bola | u cant seriously ask that broad a question? |
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| 13:28.28 | E-bola | the reason could be a billion thing |
| 13:28.44 | enouf | raf256: that can be done .. and so if it's that .. then Yes .. a wishlist bug it should be .. howEVER .. you isssue was with the advancement of the Distro .. which falls on the weight/backs of the ppl whom decide which pkgs are in or not, DDs basically .. but that's team of ppl for sure .. visit #debian-devel on oftc.net .. they'll love ya :-P |
| 13:29.17 | raf256 | enouf: I am there for over hour :) |
| 13:29.31 | enouf | raf256: NO .. I've been waiting for it since Newyears day |
| 13:29.33 | azeem | enouf: stop telling him to annoy #debian-devel |
| 13:29.48 | enouf | I did not tell him that azeem and you know it |
| 13:29.53 | raf256 | azeem: what the hell? |
| 13:29.59 | fireba11 | mikefoo_ : a lot of hosters limit bandwith though ... could also be some point in between of course ... hard to tell |
| 13:30.00 | azeem | enouf: he doesn't even have a realname set |
| 13:30.23 | azeem | 13:59 * raf256 wonders what will release first: Etch or DNF |
| 13:30.50 | raf256 | azeem: is there some problem about real name? |
| 13:30.53 | azeem | raf256: if you repeat some stupid line like that in #debian-devel, ever, I'll have you permanently banned from all Debian irc channels I know |
| 13:31.03 | azeem | raf256: yes, it's expected that you set one if you talk in #debian-devel |
| 13:31.23 | azeem | raf256: you're on probation *here* |
| 13:32.00 | xingu | solars_: sorry about that, workstation panic'd |
| 13:32.38 | solars_ | xingu, np :) |
| 13:33.02 | raf256 | azeem: well I am really sorry to not set my name, you are the first person ever to say that this is a big deal |
| 13:33.21 | azeem | it's not a big deal in here |
| 13:33.45 | raf256 | azeem: I didnt saw any such guidelies in /topic |
| 13:33.57 | raf256 | liens |
| 13:34.11 | azeem | raf256: so? I told you now. |
| 13:34.16 | raf256 | ok |
| 13:34.16 | xingu | solars_: dunno if it made it out, but netman was a tool suite; etherman was one of the tools and from the screenshots etherape looks functionally equivalent |
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| 13:34.27 | raf256 | azeem: are any kinds of jokes not wellcomed as well? |
| 13:34.34 | solars_ | xingu, yeah it looks quite interesting, thanks for the tip :) |
| 13:34.52 | xingu | solars_: the whole etherman thing went a bit dotcommy from memory, they spun off a product geoboy which did moderately well and then were never heard from again |
| 13:34.55 | azeem | raf256: look, how many packages do you maintain? |
| 13:35.12 | xingu | solars_: I think there was a "second generation" interman planned but not sure if it was ever released |
| 13:35.28 | wookienz | hi, any good howto on setting up a zone file for dhcp? |
| 13:35.29 | solars_ | xingu, thats sad, I'll search for some info |
| 13:35.32 | raf256 | azeem: It would be rather hard without write access so I just fill bugs |
| 13:35.49 | xingu | solars_: the interesting bits are pre-public access internet, I'll warn you now |
| 13:35.52 | azeem | raf256: then discuss the bugs in #debian-bugs |
| 13:36.04 | xingu | solars_: I had a bangpath email at the time if that's any clue. |
| 13:36.17 | azeem | it's definetely unappropriate to make trollish jokes in #debian-devel if you're not even a package maintainer |
| 13:36.19 | solars_ | xingu, oh |
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| 13:36.53 | raf256 | azeem: as for bug reports I consider this one personal success http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403130 |
| 13:37.34 | raf256 | took over a year but finally we found it |
| 13:37.35 | enouf | raf256: perhaps you should work on a few things (attitude) , and then you can advance to a mentor perhaps. Please don;t bother the Official channels .. especially the devel channels with unwarranted comments .. the people within those channels whom do that form time to time "have a working relationship already" |
| 13:37.58 | enouf | raf256: with each other .. |
| 13:38.05 | enouf | raf256: so WHERE is this POLL? |
| 13:38.24 | raf256 | enouf: I do not bother noone, just I thought intelligent people usually are more into joking, based on like ##c++ :) |
| 13:39.13 | PDani | Invalid command 'SSLEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 13:39.24 | PDani | i got this when i tried to start my apache2 |
| 13:39.29 | enouf | raf256: but I've seen some real trolls make some nasty comments .. even if amongst friends it would be considered humorous .. don't wander into groups expecting to be accepted as one of those .. without earning some respect at first |
| 13:40.05 | enouf | ... even if those trollish comments would be humorous amongst .. |
| 13:40.37 | enouf | raf256: the ## channels are completely UnOfficial |
| 13:40.42 | enouf | AFAIK |
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| 13:40.59 | gast | hey folks, i'm trying to restore my debian system from a tarball. only it dies in the boot process [something to do with initrd iirc], so i'm going to dpkg-reconfigure the kpkg and have that shindig rebuilt - my only guess at what to do atm. problem is, when i boot off the netinst cd mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 fails with 'invalid argument', any ideas why? |
| 13:41.01 | enouf | raf256: so WHERE is this POLL? |
| 13:41.15 | raf256 | enouf: wait, just adding last question, about city size |
| 13:41.26 | gast | mkfs /dev/sda1 and ls /mnt/sda1 run without error, so i'm slightly confused |
| 13:41.35 | Diamond | hellow can someone help me with squirrelmail |
| 13:41.43 | Diamond | some on with experience here ? |
| 13:41.52 | Ronin | Diamond: #squirrelmail or whatever its current called can |
| 13:42.07 | raf256 | enouf: ha I should had made a poll about "is debian user freidnly from newbies point of view", Q about beeper, ls colors etc would fit there |
| 13:42.42 | Diamond | i am in there right now Ronin |
| 13:42.53 | Diamond | but nobody there that can help me ;( |
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| 13:45.25 | enouf | raf256: I do laugh at the way you dscribed the simulation of someone talkBEEPing being inBEEPterrupted by beeBEEPping .. but, it's no joke when it comes to maintaining a Debian distribution .. so you need to keep that stuff in ## channels .. kay? |
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| 13:45.34 | gast | when i boot off the netinstand and* |
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| 13:48.07 | raf256 | enouf: I really think such stuff have bad impact un Debian user freindly rating |
| 13:51.04 | azeem | raf256: if you want to be helpful, you could research how fedora core, opensuse and ubuntu handle this |
| 13:51.12 | azeem | to give the maintainer some data points |
| 13:51.36 | raf256 | azeem: well there is solution, it is question of do we want to make it default to on or off |
| 13:51.59 | raf256 | azeem: I think it would be good to make some polls and compare opinions from users |
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| 13:52.11 | Dewi | do I need to be using devfs instead of udev to have raw devices? /dev/raw* ? |
| 13:52.28 | raf256 | things like ls --color or vim syntax on are simmilar problem, but I find the beeping most annoying |
| 13:53.05 | xingu | Dewi: I'm quietly confident that raw devices have gone the way of the dodo |
| 13:53.16 | Dewi | xingu: I am rescuing a HD |
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| 13:53.30 | Dewi | xingu: I want to banish all caching and buffering and read those sectors |
| 13:53.31 | xingu | Dewi: these days it's all o_direct against the regular block evice. |
| 13:53.45 | Dewi | not with gnu's ddrescue |
| 13:53.51 | Dewi | maybe I should be using dd_rescue (a different thing) |
| 13:53.55 | Dewi | but it seems messier, less documented |
| 13:54.08 | Dewi | the latter does support o_direct |
| 13:54.58 | Dewi | god, I wish I knew what I was doing :P |
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| 13:57.30 | enouf | Dewi: you should be trying to obtain a snapshot from with which to rescue you data from that copy ... and the HDD should always be in RO only mode at all times. |
| 13:57.46 | jelly | dewey: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 13:57.49 | jelly | err |
| 13:57.50 | Dewi | enouf: yes, that's what I'm doing |
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| 13:57.52 | enouf | Dewi: I mean an image of the drive .. a clone .. etc |
| 13:57.54 | xingu | dewi: ...src/linux/drivers/char/Kconfig: The raw driver is deprecated and will be removed soon. |
| 13:57.55 | jelly | Dewi: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 13:57.59 | Dewi | enouf: but I can't find a CD bootable linux that has raw devices |
| 13:58.07 | Dewi | jelly: rescue a hard disk with ddrescue or dd_rescue |
| 13:58.18 | xingu | Dewi: ... applications should open the device with the O_DIRECT flag. |
| 13:58.22 | jelly | Dewi: dd_rescue is nice |
| 13:58.31 | jelly | never heard of the former |
| 13:58.33 | Dewi | xingu: gnu ddrescue manual says to use raw devs |
| 13:58.41 | mario__ | I've been reading about why I've got a libcrypt.so.1 not found error on booting in my Debian etch with 2.6.18-3 but I cannot find any usefull information |
| 13:58.47 | Dewi | xingu: dd_rescue sounds less smart, but it has shell scripts to help... |
| 13:58.58 | Dewi | but it does support o_direct |
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| 13:59.04 | Dewi | so I guess I'm using that now |
| 13:59.05 | xingu | Dewi: gnu package in horribly out of date source/ documentation shocker! |
| 13:59.26 | xingu | Dewi: right up there with "bear shits in woods" and "pope closet catholic" |
| 13:59.36 | enouf | heh |
| 13:59.46 | Dewi | xingu: actually it's dated december |
| 13:59.55 | Dewi | Sat, 16 Dec 2006 |
| 14:00.03 | Dewi | of course this doesn't mean it's up to date |
| 14:00.13 | Dewi | but I didn't have much else to go on :) |
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| 14:00.16 | atula | is there a better email client than thunderbird? I am running sarge with backports... and we're using IMAP with our exchange server... and it breaks soooo much... I'm so fed up... I almost installed Windows for Outlook... that's how bad it was... |
| 14:00.27 | Dewi | atula: outlook is way worse |
| 14:00.46 | atula | Dewi, Outlook has no issue with exchange server... |
| 14:00.49 | Dewi | atula: but outlook express isn't so bad. Except for being really awful and outdated in general. But it does good IMAP. |
| 14:00.50 | Diamond | someone have experience with squirrelmail |
| 14:01.09 | jelly | Diamond: why not ask the actual question? |
| 14:01.11 | atula | Diamond, perhaps just ask your question |
| 14:01.16 | mario__ | has somedody got 2.6.18-3 (etch) installed? |
| 14:01.28 | Dewi | I think so |
| 14:01.32 | Dewi | I installed it last night |
| 14:01.41 | Dewi | yeah |
| 14:01.54 | Dewi | are you surprised? :P |
| 14:02.02 | atula | mario__, 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 14:02.19 | xingu | mario__: installed yes but not in use; 3-amd64 |
| 14:02.39 | mario__ | atula: ok |
| 14:03.31 | atula | mario__, oh nvm. I got sarge. |
| 14:03.41 | fireba11 | mario__: yes, what about it ? |
| 14:03.46 | mario__ | xingu: I've got the same -3-amd64 but it doesn't work for me :( |
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| 14:04.13 | mario__ | fireba11: I've got "libcrypto.so.1 not found" |
| 14:04.16 | atula | mario__, "doesn't work" is sort of vague... perhaps ellaborate a bit more |
| 14:04.20 | atula | oh good |
| 14:04.22 | Dewi | xingu: when you say ddrescue is badly documented, at least it is documented. I can't find so much as a shred of man page for dd_rescue |
| 14:04.28 | fireba11 | mario__: it's working fine here .. got the -3-vserver-amd64 |
| 14:05.01 | Dewi | xingu: maybe it's just knoppix's packaging |
| 14:05.03 | Dewi | sigh |
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| 14:07.40 | mario__ | fireba11: mmhh, I not tried with -vserver-... . Is linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 much different than linux-image-2.6.18-3-vserver-amd64? |
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| 14:08.05 | fireba11 | mario__: not at all |
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| 14:08.22 | fireba11 | mario__: the other one worked too here |
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| 14:10.05 | xingu | dewi: http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html |
| 14:10.26 | xingu | Dewi: helper/wrapper for dd_rescue; might have some interesting clues as to dd_rescue operation |
| 14:10.31 | atula | does anyone know an email client that works better with MS exchange server? Thunderbird craps out too much.... |
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| 14:11.16 | mario__ | fireba11: I'm going to try with the vserver. However that "libcrypto.so.1 not found" error on booting is cause the library is not inside the ramdisk or cause I haven't got it? |
| 14:11.58 | fireba11 | mario__: hm .. you using a encrypted file system ? |
| 14:12.05 | xingu | atula: http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/features/evolution.html |
| 14:12.29 | atula | xingu, lol. finally stumbled on that just now... right before you gave me the link |
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| 14:12.53 | mario__ | fireba11: nope |
| 14:12.58 | xingu | atula: no warranty express or implied; icedove does what I need. |
| 14:13.54 | xingu | mario__: is your whole system amd64 arch or have you just force-installed an amd64 kernel onto an i386 arch system? |
| 14:14.11 | atula | xingu, how stable is icedove? I get a close to 1 thousand email a day |
| 14:14.19 | Dewi | xingu: yeah I'm planning on using that wrapper |
| 14:14.19 | xingu | I don't |
| 14:14.26 | atula | xingu, and when I don't come into the office for a few days... 4k lol |
| 14:14.51 | Dewi | atula: I am unaware of any email client that deals well with more than about 2000 mail in a folder |
| 14:14.59 | Dewi | (for imap) |
| 14:15.08 | atula | Dewi, I was afriad of that... |
| 14:15.09 | Dewi | or maybe 10000 for local |
| 14:15.17 | ofer1 | Can you create a file named something with "/" ? |
| 14:15.25 | xingu | ofer1: no |
| 14:15.27 | atula | Dewi, perhaps I should put it into local folder? |
| 14:15.30 | ofer1 | xingu, are you 100% sure? |
| 14:15.38 | Dewi | atula: it took me literally a couple of days to get through 100,000 emails somebody accumulated in a mailbox of ours |
| 14:15.55 | fireba11 | Dewi: you're doing something wrong then |
| 14:16.18 | Dewi | atula: I dealt with an IMAP folder of 6000 yesterday but I had to process it in lots of 1000 or so, otherwise it would just hang forever |
| 14:16.25 | xingu | ofer1: you might be able to find a unicode char that has a representation as / but not the char itself, no. |
| 14:16.27 | Dewi | fireba11: what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:16.28 | fireba11 | atula: i got the dev build for 3a1 and no problem with an imap folder with 50k mails |
| 14:17.16 | mario__ | xingu: well, it's a xeon em64t. That's way I used an amd64 arch |
| 14:17.28 | Dewi | fireba11: is this on a LAN? |
| 14:17.41 | fireba11 | Dewi: well .. using our mailserver over LAN i can easily and fast access about 100k mails in imap, 50k being in one single folder |
| 14:17.55 | fireba11 | Dewi: yes .. and the mailserver using maildir of course |
| 14:17.59 | xingu | mario__: yes, but what arch did you install as? or is it the install cd itself that is failing? |
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| 14:18.03 | Dewi | fireba11: I had 50k mails in one folder on a server in a datacentre... |
| 14:18.11 | Dewi | fireba11: there is no mail client that can deal with that |
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| 14:18.23 | fireba11 | Dewi: what am i doing here right now then ? |
| 14:18.31 | Dewi | fireba11: the mail server was perhaps not dealing with it very well either |
| 14:18.38 | fireba11 | Dewi : just marked the latest 1k mails as read in about 5 seconds |
| 14:18.44 | ofer1 | thank you, xingu |
| 14:18.44 | xingu | mario__: just fyi my own sid/amd64 system has no libcrypto.so.1; nearest match is libcrypto.so.0.9.8 from libssl0.9.8 |
| 14:18.45 | Dewi | fireba11: *in a datacentre*, ie, not on a LAN |
| 14:18.50 | mario__ | I installed just the amd64 port, using the official release |
| 14:19.01 | Dewi | fireba11: everything just kind of times out |
| 14:19.23 | fireba11 | Dewi: of course you need a bit bandwith but if you got a fast mailserver susing maildir it should scale up a lot more than 100k mails |
| 14:19.25 | Dewi | especially since it's only a 512kbps line |
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| 14:19.42 | Dewi | fireba11: this is some open source windows mta |
| 14:19.47 | Dewi | fireba11: which probably doesn't help |
| 14:19.56 | xingu | mario__: in that case we need a bit more context to work out what to do; there's nothing in the kernel->init handoff that needs libcrypto.so, so your fault must be in early boot, not the kernel. |
| 14:20.15 | xingu | mario__: what are the 6 or so lines surrounding (3 before, 3 after) the message? |
| 14:20.51 | fireba11 | Dewi: not at all .. get a real MTA like exim or postfix with a serious imap like courier or dovecot ... i'm accessing my personla imap box with about 5k mails and it's not much slower .. we got 4 MBit here though |
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| 14:22.04 | markit | hi, I'm trying to compile Asterisk, and I've a lot of troubles with kernel modules, i.e. for zaptel or mISDN... often there is not the file its looks for, or not in the right position |
| 14:22.14 | markit | asterisk I think is mainly developed on fedora |
| 14:22.15 | fireba11 | Dewi: and that is online and even only a vserver |
| 14:22.29 | markit | any bright solution? i.e. a script that takes care of the differences? |
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| 14:22.45 | markit | i.e. it looks for /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/build but Iìve no "build" dir or file there |
| 14:22.53 | Dewi | fireba11: the IMAP within my LAN is comfortable, but anything over this net connection at work it's a 3+ second delay to even begin reading headers |
| 14:23.01 | the_mug | can anyone point me in the right direction of the correct way to setup tmpfs ? |
| 14:23.15 | Dewi | fireba11: thunderbird does its whole "logging in, checking for folders, checking server capabilities, etc" thing every few minutes |
| 14:23.37 | Dewi | fireba11: and worse, it doesn't really clearly indicate when it has finished processing anything |
| 14:23.44 | fireba11 | Dewi: then either your mailserver is creeping slow or your connection :-D |
| 14:24.28 | mario__ | xingu: in the other hand, I've got a DELL machine and I'm using some programs in 32bits for monitoring, so I installed the ia32-libs package. The problem is in a server, I'm going to do some tests |
| 14:24.31 | Dewi | fireba11: my point is that it's not a bandwidth thing, it's a latency thing. IMAP seems to include a lot of back and forth to accomplish anything |
| 14:24.57 | Dewi | fireba11: and in thunderbird you're never quite sure what it's doing, or whether it has just mysteriously hung loading a folder forever |
| 14:25.14 | Dewi | fireba11: don't get me wrong; I know of no better client, and I don't lose mail or anything. But it is pretty painful. |
| 14:25.27 | fireba11 | Dewi: i got only ADSL at home .. it's slower but not that much if the line is free otherwise ... never waited for it more than 5 seconds to update about 20 folders |
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| 14:25.59 | Dewi | how do you make it update 20 folders at once? |
| 14:26.06 | xingu | most mua's seem to do spectacularly stupid things when it comes large mailboxes; they employ strategies that save round-trip at the expense of memory and these backfire badly when the number of items in the mailbox is large and has a large delta |
| 14:26.07 | rhsanborn | Good morning everyone |
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| 14:26.38 | fireba11 | Dewi: you can tell it to update those folders on startup ? |
| 14:26.49 | xingu | typically, a message-id to mailbox index cache that holds "second pane" summary view detail like date/from/subject |
| 14:27.21 | Dewi | fireba11: it will update the inbox counts but it 1) won't update counts for other folders, or 2) download headers until I click on a folder |
| 14:27.31 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i'm having problems setting my static IP address up, I've done everything I though but when i restart networking I get: SIOCADDRT:Network is unreachable |
| 14:27.36 | andrewtaylor_ | Any suggestions? |
| 14:27.50 | rhsanborn | Anyone here use multiple access points/multiple wireless locations? I have 5-6 different locations at which I connect, and I was hoping there was a package that could autmagically detect which access points I had access to and connect to them |
| 14:27.55 | fireba11 | Dewi: i don't really notice because it's so fast :-P |
| 14:27.57 | mario__ | xingu: I let you any news about it, many thanks for your time :) |
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| 14:28.05 | xingu | mario__: groovy |
| 14:28.14 | Dewi | fireba11: so I have maybe 7 accounts with average of 2 folders to check on each, waiting 10 seconds to see in each - that's 140 seconds just to look at lists of mail |
| 14:28.52 | Dewi | fireba11: and then there's me restarting thunderbird, or just clicking backwards and forwards between folders to try to make it update state when it gets behind |
| 14:28.52 | fireba11 | Dewi: you need to check your setup .. thats a whole lot slower than it should be .. at least 10 times |
| 14:29.01 | Dewi | ie, I mark 100 messages read and then click "delete" |
| 14:29.28 | Dewi | then trash bolds like I have 100 unread messages in there |
| 14:29.28 | Dewi | so I click trash and I see them |
| 14:29.28 | Dewi | so I click back on inbox |
| 14:29.30 | Dewi | then I click trash again and finally, I have no unread mail in trash |
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| 14:29.39 | Dewi | this whole process takes about 40 seconds, and I do it about 6 times daily |
| 14:29.49 | abrotman | MORE! |
| 14:29.57 | fireba11 | Dewi: it takes about 2 seconds total for me ^^ |
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| 14:30.12 | abrotman | Dewi: is it local or IMAP ? |
| 14:30.14 | fireba11 | Dewi: right now i would blame it on your mailserver being horribly slow |
| 14:30.31 | Dewi | fireba11: I'm simply using too many different clients and too many different servers for it to be anything other than IMAP really have crap performance, or that *zombie curse* I got :) |
| 14:30.43 | Dewi | abrotman: IMAP |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | Dewi: wait .. mbox IMAP or maildir IMAP ? |
| 14:30.51 | Dewi | abrotman: I love IMAP but it's an abusive relationship |
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| 14:31.14 | spout | hi |
| 14:31.20 | spout | happy new year |
| 14:31.20 | Dewi | abrotman: um... mbox is still default in debian right? mbox for all except one that is running a maildir-like arrangement in a windows MTA called hMail |
| 14:31.30 | abrotman | Dewi: mbox is *horrible* |
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| 14:31.44 | Dewi | abrotman: I like tailing shit, and copying whole folders around as files |
| 14:31.52 | atula | Dewi, just read all your stuff now... was taking care of somethign... but yeah.. I know how you feel |
| 14:31.52 | Dewi | abrotman: maildir kind of scares me a bit |
| 14:31.53 | spout | does any1 knows how to connect to a mssql server with debian ? |
| 14:32.01 | atula | I am on a T3 line for christ sake |
| 14:32.09 | atula | it's not like it's slow... comp is pretty good too |
| 14:32.19 | atula | Thunderbird just craps out...that's fact |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | Dewi: it shouldn't. It's a vastly superior way of storing mail |
| 14:32.25 | fireba11 | Dewi: use maildir. |
| 14:32.36 | Dewi | atula: abrotman probably has a point about mbox, even though dovecot indexes, I have a feeling some of that wait time is scraping the same data over and over in big files on the server. :P |
| 14:33.02 | atula | Dewi, I think so too... I have a lot of time-out from our exchange server |
| 14:33.08 | spout | if any1 knows thx for the help |
| 14:33.11 | Dewi | what I'd really love to know is why IMAP has no inline compression |
| 14:33.12 | abrotman | if you delete a single email out of the middle or a large mbox .. it can take forever |
| 14:33.16 | abrotman | s/or/of/ |
| 14:33.16 | Dewi | mail compresses so damn well |
| 14:33.28 | Dewi | it's tempting to set up some kind of stunnel thing to every mail server |
| 14:33.56 | atula | Dewi, actually... you know what... I am on LAN.... then how the freak is it this bad? |
| 14:34.31 | Dewi | I have to say that by far the worst, was when somebody just left outlook checking a massive catch-all without checking it for a month or so |
| 14:34.35 | Dewi | the .pst file got to 4gb |
| 14:34.38 | Dewi | most of that in a single folder |
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| 14:34.52 | atula | Dewi, heck. even a few days will do for me.... |
| 14:34.54 | Dewi | it would take about 20 minutes just to delete a couple of mails |
| 14:35.11 | Dewi | atula: my advice - don't run catch-alls |
| 14:35.23 | atula | Dewi, I can't.... I have to get EVERY mail |
| 14:35.26 | Dewi | we were absolutely insane to run one for so long |
| 14:35.43 | atula | Dewi, I work for a webhosting company... I get monitor alerts from servers |
| 14:36.15 | Dewi | atula: it is better for somebody to get a bounce back saying "atula didn't get your mail, stop spelling his name wrong" than for the message to get mixed up with spam, and either deleted by mistake, or left indefinitely because there are just SO many :) |
| 14:36.23 | fireba11 | Dewi: my biggest user folder si bout 6 GB now ... with noone complaining about speed at all |
| 14:36.33 | atula | Dewi, on quiet days... I get around 1k of mails |
| 14:36.33 | atula | so when I don't come a for a few days... mails can go up to 6k |
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| 14:36.56 | Dewi | atula: me too |
| 14:36.58 | fireba11 | Dewi: that's about 80% if the unwanted mail here .. stupid bounces |
| 14:37.11 | Dewi | atula: it's a small hosting company but I still get amazing amounts of mail |
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| 14:37.35 | atula | Dewi, lol. same here... small company... but lots of mail |
| 14:37.36 | famir | how to forbid user to login to the server with ssh |
| 14:38.02 | Dewi | famir: DenyUsers option |
| 14:38.05 | Dewi | famir: see man sshd_config |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | Dewi: maildir! |
| 14:38.40 | atula | haha |
| 14:38.57 | atula | abrotman, maildir... I am going to read on this |
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| 14:39.41 | fireba11 | abrotman: i'm pretty amazed there are still people using mbox for more-than-personal-use isntallations |
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| 14:40.01 | abrotman | i'm amazed mbox hasn't been abolished |
| 14:40.23 | abrotman | i guess mbox is okay for a POP3-only server |
| 14:41.17 | fireba11 | abrotman: even there ... who we need to talk to to make it default for etch ? .-) |
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| 14:41.57 | abrotman | fireba11: there is no default IMAP server. Courier and cyrus do maildir, dovecot does also. (and uw-imap .. ick) .. i believe courier and cyrus do it by default |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | (cyrus is maildir-ish) |
| 14:42.29 | atula | abrotman, so this maildir fortmat should be better than mbox? |
| 14:42.44 | fireba11 | abrotman: courier is split in pop3 and imap package ... |
| 14:42.48 | atula | abrotman, I never really pay much attention... but perhaps this might be a key |
| 14:42.48 | abrotman | the only disadvantage i've seen to maildir is the number of inodes it consumes |
| 14:42.52 | dorel__ | when using the net install, is it possible to install only the base packages and skip the download that it's doing? |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | fireba11: oh yeah .. silly me :) |
| 14:42.59 | fireba11 | atula: by a wide margin ... the bigger the setup the bigger the difference |
| 14:43.24 | obstfliege | Moinsen! |
| 14:43.33 | atula | dorel__, I think the downloads are base packages |
| 14:43.36 | dorel__ | oh I now noticed that it's possible by untagging the 'standard system' |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | atula: instead of one inode for each mbox file, you have one inode for each email |
| 14:43.51 | dorel__ | atula: they are but I think its possible to get around it... I'm checking now |
| 14:43.53 | atula | dorel__, how "bare" do you want the thing |
| 14:43.54 | atula | lol |
| 14:44.04 | raz0 | dorel__, Sure. Just quit the installation when you get to the package selection screen. |
| 14:44.12 | dorel__ | as bare as I can :) |
| 14:44.23 | dorel__ | raz0: but I need it to install grub |
| 14:44.36 | raz0 | dorel__, I wouldn't recommend going any more bare than the base system. |
| 14:44.39 | dorel__ | I think I got it, I'm checking now |
| 14:44.43 | Dewi | dorel__: are you using expert mode? |
| 14:44.52 | Dewi | dorel__: it lets you control most of what goes on |
| 14:44.53 | dorel__ | not right now but usually I do |
| 14:45.05 | Dewi | and skip steps like "download unnecessary crap" :P |
| 14:45.09 | dorel__ | right |
| 14:45.24 | Dewi | the main thing is to refuse to select anything in tasksel |
| 14:45.26 | dorel__ | I think I got it anyway, it's possible to do that by untagging everything on tasksel |
| 14:45.34 | dorel__ | and then the install takes like 5 minutes :P |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | you can uninstall it later .. it's not really a big deal |
| 14:46.30 | dorel__ | I don't mind about the packages atll, I'm doing it cause I'm having problems installing it on this dell server, what happened is that I installed a standard system and grub showed up and booted just fine until it got to a point where it said couldn't find /dev/sda |
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| 14:46.42 | atula | abrotman, so with an inode per email.... it would have 6k of inodes for me |
| 14:46.50 | dorel__ | err, /dev/sda5 or whatever it is (which is the root mountpoint) and quits |
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| 14:46.58 | dorel__ | it drops me to a busybox shell |
| 14:47.21 | dorel__ | it still happens :( |
| 14:47.35 | dorel__ | is this a scsi related thing? |
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| 14:48.36 | Indephysis | How well will Debian run on a 1ghz with 192mbs of RAM? |
| 14:48.52 | janttsu | fine |
| 14:49.00 | atula | Indephysis, depends onw hat you want to run with it.. but yeah... it's fine |
| 14:49.12 | Indephysis | Well, I was planning to run a simulation of the entire solar system. |
| 14:49.20 | janttsu | O_o |
| 14:49.22 | Indephysis | Not really. I'm probably gonna do GBA emulation at most. |
| 14:49.50 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, around? |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | atula: df -i <partition> |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | erm .. just df -i |
| 14:50.20 | atula | ... |
| 14:50.20 | atula | gtfo! |
| 14:50.20 | atula | :D |
| 14:50.21 | atula | (kidding). But yeah... that's a bit ambitious for a small piece of machine don't ya think? |
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| 14:50.26 | Indephysis | Do I need to defrag a ntfs partition to resize without ruining data? |
| 14:50.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | Indephysis: probably a good idea anyways |
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| 14:50.42 | xingu | abrotman: even when you cure the lunacy at the mailserver end, you're still left with that at the user agent end |
| 14:50.58 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:51.28 | xingu | abrotman: as I said before, many of them do totally bonkers things in terms of building up large hash databases of the message id, subject, yadda. |
| 14:51.28 | Ronin | Indephysis: i never have but seeing as its ntfs a good defrag is always a good idea |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | xingu: that's a client issue! |
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| 14:51.49 | xingu | abrotman: yes, it's always a client issue. :) |
| 14:52.25 | xingu | abrotman: I was helping someone here trace a performance problem a while back; and it turned out that every time his user agent downloaded a message it rewrite a 200MB or so index. |
| 14:52.53 | the_mug | xingu: what would you recommend the proper way to setup tmpfs is? |
| 14:53.10 | xingu | abrotman: it can be ... entertaining to profile your own favourite agent to see what it really does in terms of memory charge or iops to ~/.whatever |
| 14:53.10 | Indephysis | Ronin: Have you ever had trouble with losing data on the ntfs partition? |
| 14:53.19 | Indephysis | Because I'm not going to bother if you haven't. I've never even filled this drive |
| 14:53.28 | Indephysis | And I thought ntfs didn't write all bizarre like FAT32 |
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| 14:53.48 | Ronin | Indephysis: losing data when? resizing or install linux? |
| 14:53.50 | abrotman | xingu: i'd rather not .. i have some sanity left :) |
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| 14:54.00 | Indephysis | Resizing |
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| 14:54.21 | atula | I got kicked for flooding? weird. |
| 14:54.29 | atula | only typed three lines. |
| 14:54.32 | Ronin | no but it can happen, i do it a fair bit at work but i may just be lucky and never lost anything |
| 14:54.34 | Indephysis | You typed 4 |
| 14:54.50 | atula | sorry, 4 then... didn't past or anything... jeez |
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| 14:55.15 | Indephysis | 4 lines + lag = flood |
| 14:55.18 | xingu | the_mug: ? nothing special really; I tend to be careful to set the sizing; if you're referring to yesterday's adventure with ifstate - I'd fix the bug in etc/init.d/networking or whatver - add in a test for the dir's existance and get it to mkdir it if not present. |
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| 14:55.30 | abrotman | atula: you're lagging |
| 14:55.38 | Ronin | atula: bots are sensitive as we get an abnormal amount of flooders here too |
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| 14:55.55 | xingu | the_mug: if the mount is bounded sizewise and the mount flags make sense there's not much more to do |
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| 14:57.58 | the_mug | xingu: when I do a lsof... I get this: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /dev/shm/var.run |
| 14:58.20 | saintiss | hmm, opening a python app, its text shows in greek... is there a way to set the python default locale? |
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| 14:58.33 | atula | abrotman, it seems our network is acting weird... perhaps I will take a break from typing :D |
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| 14:59.04 | cluck | hey |
| 14:59.11 | atula | cluck, ho |
| 14:59.26 | cluck | :) |
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| 15:03.08 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 15:03.23 | the_mug | xingu: tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,size=336m 0 0 |
| 15:03.26 | Ramattack | I wanted to know how the sendmail command works? but qmail sendmail of course |
| 15:03.33 | the_mug | xingu: does that look crazy? |
| 15:03.57 | Ramattack | is it the local deliveries responsible? |
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| 15:04.49 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: yo |
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| 15:05.02 | Ronin | Ramattack: qmail sendmain? |
| 15:05.09 | Ramattack | sendmail sorry |
| 15:05.17 | Ronin | qmail sendmail? |
| 15:05.35 | livingdaylight | is Etch full release out now? |
| 15:05.38 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i was afk (sisters RAM roken) and xchat didnt keep logs. did you find anything? |
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| 15:05.49 | Ramattack | you know /var/qmail/bin/sendmail |
| 15:05.52 | Ronin | livingdaylight: is it listed as out on www.debian.org? |
| 15:06.10 | livingdaylight | Ronin, i'm looking, what version would Etch be? |
| 15:06.14 | livingdaylight | 3.1? |
| 15:06.18 | Ramattack | I have created the symlinks... to it in /usr/sbin /usr/lib (I'm running debian sarge |
| 15:06.20 | Ronin | 4.o iirc |
| 15:06.25 | Ronin | 3.1 is sarge |
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| 15:07.25 | CjN | sarge is frozen so etch shouldn't be too far off now. |
| 15:07.28 | livingdaylight | what kernel does sarge use? |
| 15:07.35 | livingdaylight | isn't Sarge several years old? |
| 15:07.41 | Ramattack | and at all my question was if create aliases to local users (only for working as debian package mta) and create symlinks to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail on usr/sbin and usr/lib it will work as an debian exim for example for some packages that require an mta? |
| 15:07.57 | Ronin | Ramattack: wouldn't #qmail be a better place for your questions? |
| 15:08.06 | Ronin | livingdaylight: yes sarge is a couple of years old |
| 15:08.11 | lepton | Ramattack: it works, been running it for years on debian |
| 15:08.26 | Ramattack | nobody at qmail .... |
| 15:08.32 | Ramattack | yep but I wanted to know |
| 15:08.38 | Ramattack | if I uninstall exim |
| 15:08.51 | Ramattack | and later install qmail |
| 15:08.56 | abrotman | atula: okay |
| 15:09.01 | lepton | Ramattack: qmail list archives are online (e.g. marc.theaimsgroup.com) |
| 15:09.11 | Ramattack | and dependencies is not a problem because I've created a dummy mta package |
| 15:09.35 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: seems need done at the X Server level in the .conf file .. see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Using_the_X_server_.28kernel_2.6.11.2B.29 notice and read the "EmulateWheelTimeOut" to "1" areas .. depending on whether you use Sarge(Xfree86) or Etch(Xorg) .. you can then decide the appropriate fix |
| 15:10.02 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i use etch, thanks! |
| 15:10.03 | Ramattack | the only problem was if any debian packages would have any problem working with qmail and /usr/bin/sendmail linked to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail |
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| 15:10.07 | livingdaylight | Ronin, so Sarge has kernel from two years ago? |
| 15:10.28 | Ronin | livingdaylight: default in sarge is 2.4 but you can do linux26 on install to get well you know |
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| 15:10.36 | enouf | lemme know how it goes HardDisk_WP |
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| 15:10.56 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok |
| 15:11.42 | lepton | Ramattack: no, why would they? it's an MTA. mutt works fine with it, e.g. |
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| 15:13.56 | Flimzy | I want to use some flash memory as boot media... Is it best to get an IDE interface for a flash drive, or is there a better way to boot off of flash media now days? |
| 15:15.22 | Dewi | abrotman: hmmm. This time my machine is actually staying up during data recovery. This is so promising. It's hitting a lot of bad sectors though. |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 15:15.29 | peterrus | Flimzy: if your mobo supports it you can just use a common cardreader |
| 15:15.38 | abrotman | Dewi: you jinxed yourself |
| 15:15.44 | Dewi | +r |
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| 15:15.54 | Flimzy | peterrus: And a USB interface you mean? |
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| 15:17.44 | livingdaylight | Will Etch stable be release this year or next year maybe? |
| 15:17.50 | livingdaylight | Sarge is too old for me |
| 15:18.06 | NaufraGo | hi. I downloaded and package conteining some rpm files that seems to be compatible to my PIXMA iP1600 printer, I found that information here: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP1600 (at the bottom) |
| 15:18.10 | livingdaylight | can't actually believe anyone would willingly use Sarge still |
| 15:18.15 | Ronin | livingdaylight: it will be released when its ready |
| 15:18.16 | NaufraGo | a package.. |
| 15:18.20 | dorel__ | should it pose a problem to put any of the linux partitions (root/swap/boot) on a logical partition? |
| 15:18.25 | Ronin | livingdaylight: ya i know who wants a stable secure system these days |
| 15:18.39 | Ronin | livingdaylight: you can always just install etch or run sarge and use backports |
| 15:18.50 | NaufraGo | now I don't know how install the rpm package, or what to do |
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| 15:19.56 | livingdaylight | Ronin, secure yes, but a release cycle of 'whenever' every few years is also not great in the fast moving times we live in |
| 15:20.14 | Dewi | livingdaylight: what are you going to do about it? |
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| 15:20.37 | Meaw | hello.. i got errors filesystem start in read-mode only. i've run fdsck and it didnt solve the problem any thoughts about how to fix it |
| 15:20.40 | Dewi | livingdaylight: debian's goal is universal and reliable... nobody else does it |
| 15:20.48 | livingdaylight | Dewi, *gulp* >.< |
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| 15:21.27 | Verdan | Hi ! I have some questions about debian sasl2 |
| 15:21.27 | livingdaylight | Dewi, that is why i'd like to put Debian on my laptop but i'm just surprised that movement is very slow in Debian |
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| 15:21.46 | msingh | when i run aumix, it says mixer not found. any ideas on what to do? |
| 15:21.57 | Ronin | livingdaylight: then run etch/testing |
| 15:21.59 | Verdan | I wonder if libsasl2 has support for md5 hashed passwords in mysql database |
| 15:22.16 | livingdaylight | Dewi, i have lenovo R60e and want os that will detect and work out of the box |
| 15:22.17 | Dewi | Meaw: if you see read errors due to bad sectors in your syslog or smart reporting, it would be advisable to make a backup of your data |
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| 15:22.23 | Ronin | its newer but not bleeding edge |
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| 15:22.34 | peterrus | whois peterrooney |
| 15:22.34 | the_mug | livingdaylight: install gentoo then. |
| 15:22.36 | livingdaylight | Ronin, yes, just the word testing doesn't imbue me with confidence |
| 15:22.41 | AeonLibrarian | peterrus! come out! |
| 15:22.48 | Ronin | whatever |
| 15:22.49 | Ramattack | Ronin : take a look at #qmail please I'm a bit worried and have lot's of job |
| 15:23.02 | Dewi | the_mug: ew. Surely you meant to say "ubuntu". :) |
| 15:23.16 | livingdaylight | the_mug, gentoo doesn't work out of the box. Isn't that the os for people who want to spend alot of time tweeking everything to get things working |
| 15:23.24 | Dewi | yeah exactly |
| 15:23.35 | Dewi | (that's my impression, never having used it) |
| 15:23.51 | Ronin | livingdaylight: sarge and backports or testing are your options, well sid as well but thats only if you can fix it by yourself WHEN it breaks |
| 15:23.52 | kalila | Does the GFDL include all restrictions of the GPL? |
| 15:24.03 | Meaw | Dewi i dont think its about sectors, the hdisk been damaged cause of low elecricity , the box restarted many times and after this i got this problem |
| 15:24.05 | kalila | i.e is GPL a subset of the GFDL |
| 15:24.24 | iturk | i there i just connect a monitor to my laptop !! i would like to see now what i see in the laptop in that monitor !! is that possible in linux ?? |
| 15:24.44 | the_mug | livingdaylight: ok. out of the box? seriously try Ubuntu then. |
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| 15:24.50 | livingdaylight | Ronin, i can't even find download mirror for etch and is there live cd/dvd so i can test it on my laptop before committing to installing? |
| 15:24.59 | the_mug | livingdaylight: edgy works great on my laptop |
| 15:25.11 | Ronin | !tell livingdaylight about etch |
| 15:25.13 | sohmestra | kalila: they are different licenses with different purposes. neither is a sub/super-set of the other. |
| 15:25.16 | livingdaylight | the_mug, yes, Ubuntu Rocks and is my other alternative |
| 15:25.17 | Ronin | the_mug: edgy? |
| 15:25.23 | Dewi | Meaw: aah. well, that's good news kind of. How does fscking the disk fail? |
| 15:25.29 | creative83 | Hey everybody. How can I use gcc 3.4 on debian sarge without upgrade the whole system? I did an apt-get install gcc-3.4 but make still uses gcc-3.3 which is buggy |
| 15:25.30 | dorel__ | yay, the install went fine |
| 15:25.33 | the_mug | Ronin: Ubuntu Edgy |
| 15:25.34 | sohmestra | kalila: read them |
| 15:25.44 | kalila | I did |
| 15:25.47 | livingdaylight | the_mug, i was just considering Debian first because i thought i'd put something more stable on my laptop. What lappy have you got? |
| 15:25.51 | kalila | but IANAL |
| 15:26.07 | the_mug | livingdaylight: Dell 700m |
| 15:26.18 | dorel__ | if I chose a bare install (not even the 'standard system' install in tasksel) how do I get it installed now after the system has booted up fine? |
| 15:26.25 | sohmestra | kalila: you're probably asking the wrong people for advice then. most of us are probably not lawyers either. |
| 15:26.37 | Dewi | dorel__: well, if you ask me, you don't, because tasksel is silly |
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| 15:26.46 | Dewi | dorel__: but root can run tasksel again at any time. It's called... tasksel :) |
| 15:27.03 | dorel__ | lol ok |
| 15:27.38 | Inkvisitor | debian is not available on ftp.du.se. what is happening? |
| 15:27.40 | zoddan | ye my ny monitor is on the way!, at last, i have been waiting for a month |
| 15:27.52 | Dewi | I can't believe my machine is still alive doing this data recovery. Miracles happen! |
| 15:27.55 | sohmestra | kalila: you could see if there is a #debian-legal channel on irc.oftc.net, otherwise, you could email fsf or the debian-legal mailing list |
| 15:27.55 | Dewi | and with that, I sleep |
| 15:28.01 | Dewi | it's been charming, fellows. Goodnight. |
| 15:28.09 | kalila | sohmestra: great, thanks |
| 15:28.09 | sohmestra | sohmestra: fsf is probably the better option |
| 15:28.10 | Verdan | ehhh, can somebody help me with sasl in debian ? ... :/ |
| 15:28.34 | dorel__ | Dewi: it doesn't show me anything but nm that, I installed the latest etch net-install build which is set on apt as testing/etch - a dist upgrade would take it up to unstable/sid? |
| 15:28.52 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i have a problem...i cant get what buttons 6 and 7 do |
| 15:29.03 | Inkvisitor | ftp.du.se is broken ? |
| 15:29.08 | livingdaylight | ooops, for Dual Core 2 which one do i choose? |
| 15:29.20 | livingdaylight | is it 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 15:29.22 | Ronin | Inkvisitor: possibly, |
| 15:29.38 | enouf | buttons 6 and 7 where HardDisk_WP ? |
| 15:30.09 | PDani | hi |
| 15:30.12 | livingdaylight | Etch doesn't have live cd/dvd? |
| 15:30.15 | Ramattack | Ronin : One question please do you knwo what /var/qmail/bin/sendmail command does? only this please |
| 15:30.17 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, in xmodmap -pp it shows me 9 muse buttons |
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| 15:30.27 | PDani | what's the proper way to generate ssl certificate for apache2 in the current etch? |
| 15:30.38 | creative83 | Is there a trick with update-alternatives to tell debian sarge to use gcc 3.4 instead of 3.3 ? |
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| 15:30.48 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, 1 is left button, 2 is mouse wheel click, 3 is right buttn, 4/5 are the wheel itself and 8/9 are left/right side buttons |
| 15:30.54 | PDani | apache2-ssl-certificate seems to be missing |
| 15:30.55 | E-bola | After i upgraded apache from 2.0 to 2.2 in debian etch, apache want to let me download cgi's instaid of running them |
| 15:30.58 | E-bola | why would this be? |
| 15:31.11 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: mine too ;-) |
| 15:31.11 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, but i can't detect what 6/7 are |
| 15:31.14 | Ronin | livingdaylight: debian iirc has no live cd releases like knoppix |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | Dewi: is it dead yet? |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 15:31.33 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 15:31.50 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: I think 2 = right click and 3=wheel |
| 15:31.52 | livingdaylight | Ronin, what a shame... live cd is sign of the times now. Most GNU/LInux distros use this method now |
| 15:32.09 | cydork | livingdaylight: live.debian.net :) |
| 15:32.20 | cydork | livingdaylight: though it's not official yet |
| 15:32.25 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: I only have a 3 button rodent |
| 15:32.30 | peterrus | !slap livingdaylight |
| 15:32.33 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, wow |
| 15:32.36 | cydork | !beer abrotman |
| 15:32.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a wizard in dlvl:22 |
| 15:32.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: he'll die soon |
| 15:32.44 | livingdaylight | wtf?! |
| 15:32.54 | livingdaylight | why are people slapping me? |
| 15:32.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: the titan? yeah i'll murder him, and medusa also |
| 15:33.00 | the_mug | lol |
| 15:33.06 | enouf | Yes .. amazing a mouse that does only what a mouse should |
| 15:33.10 | livingdaylight | cydork, where do i find out aboutt it? |
| 15:33.11 | peterrus | livingdaylight: that wasnt a people, that was the terminat0rtrondpkg |
| 15:33.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm a female wizard, after trying the cursed amulet of change (pretty early, identified) |
| 15:33.16 | abrotman | !tell livingdaylight about livecd |
| 15:33.19 | AeonLibrarian | !ignore livingdaylight |
| 15:33.27 | cubiq | does someone have a neat way of deleting all *.txt files in a directory structure? Eg. find ./ -name .txt | rm |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: shouldn't you be learning about classical music ? |
| 15:33.38 | abrotman | cubiq: man find .. look at -exec |
| 15:33.39 | tarzeau | cubiq: you miss xargs |
| 15:33.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: awww |
| 15:33.54 | cubiq | abrotman: OK, checking thx |
| 15:34.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm going to cut my hair tomorrow |
| 15:34.05 | cydork | classical music? tarzeau ? |
| 15:34.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: go read .. quit nethacking! |
| 15:34.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: haven't been at the hairdresser(?) for 3 years now |
| 15:34.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: but this will BE an ascension |
| 15:34.34 | AeonLibrarian | nethack: i died by a kitten |
| 15:34.36 | tarzeau | cydork: sure! i love mozard and haydn |
| 15:34.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=introduction+to+classical+music&btnG=Google+Search |
| 15:34.45 | AeonLibrarian | kitten vs. samurai |
| 15:35.11 | saintiss | rephrasing my question: python seems to select a "greekish" font as its default to display GUI msgs. Is there a way to change that? |
| 15:35.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: can't i play funny games with classical music? |
| 15:35.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: LEMMINGS! |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm ... |
| 15:35.38 | saintiss | or: why would it be that some strange exotic font is the default for anything at all? |
| 15:35.48 | saintiss | some mapping (e.g. sans serif) must be pointing to it... |
| 15:35.51 | saintiss | where can I check that? |
| 15:36.05 | saintiss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:36.29 | daxxar | Hiya. :-) |
| 15:36.51 | daxxar | I've just reinstalled my Debian to testing, and it seems I'm not supposed to edit /etc/resolv.conf, that resolvconf should do this for me. |
| 15:37.10 | daxxar | I have a static network interface, how do I provide the information to resolvconf so that it'll configure my DNSes like I want it to? |
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| 15:40.33 | cld2 | is the default terminal dealt with vi /etc/alternatives? |
| 15:41.20 | nightfreak | anyone managed to install the php-java-bridge? |
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| 15:41.43 | DimmuR | afternoon |
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| 15:43.33 | cyzie | how do i reset my root passwrod ? |
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| 15:44.06 | AeonLibrarian | cyzie, passwd root |
| 15:44.14 | AeonLibrarian | cyzie sudo passwd root |
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| 15:44.47 | cyzie | AeonLibrarian, i forgotten my root password on my laptop. how can i change it to a new password? |
| 15:44.50 | cydork | cyzie: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 15:45.02 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know of any programs to view midi notes? |
| 15:45.03 | roue | hola |
| 15:45.28 | AeonLibrarian | cyzie, "sudo passwd root" |
| 15:45.43 | cld2 | cydork: what does the ifrp stand for? |
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| 15:45.59 | cyzie | AeonLibrarian, not a singler user has sudo priviledge |
| 15:46.05 | raz0 | I forgot root password? :) |
| 15:46.11 | cydork | cld2: ^^ |
| 15:46.15 | AeonLibrarian | ouch. bad luck.. |
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| 15:46.21 | AeonLibrarian | sorry cyzie |
| 15:46.41 | roue | Can someone verify the way the run-parts script used in /etc/crontab works (not much of a shell scripter here). I think it takes a directory name and lists the items alphabetically, executing each in order (as opposed to executing them all simultaneously by running them in the background with '&'). If I want a job to be run last I should be able to just change the name from somename to Zsomename, yes? thanks. |
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| 15:47.01 | cld2 | raz0, cydork: thanks. |
| 15:47.35 | roue | otherwise how do you set the order for jobs in cron.daily / cron.hourly etc. |
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| 15:49.04 | cydork | roue: man run-parts, man 5 crontab |
| 15:49.10 | daxxar | I just reinstalled my Debian system, and I want to access the software-raid-devices I created under my old installation. dmraid -r says it can't find any raid devices; what do I need to do? |
| 15:49.46 | AeonLibrarian | cyzie, you can install debian again |
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| 15:50.03 | AeonLibrarian | without needing passwords |
| 15:50.32 | cydork | AeonLibrarian: no need |
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| 15:51.11 | AeonLibrarian | ok ^^ good luck with it then |
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| 15:51.23 | roue | hmm.. cydork. thanks. I'd tried man run-part and didn't see anything (for obvious reasons). |
| 15:51.39 | Nazcafan | hi, does debian have a package for installing a pastebin server ? |
| 15:52.14 | cydork | roue: it's run-parts |
| 15:52.25 | roue | that'd be the obvious reason. |
| 15:52.33 | cydork | oh ok :) |
| 15:52.39 | roue | thanks :) |
| 15:52.55 | AeonLibrarian | rollator |
| 15:53.11 | cld2 | how do I list what update-alternatives can control? I want to change my default term but I dont see anything that looks like its handling term. thanks. |
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| 15:55.16 | raf256_ | jezuz christ |
| 15:55.25 | cydork | cld2: you mean x-terminal-emulator ? |
| 15:55.34 | raf256_ | making a full linux poll seem to me full time weak job for few people (including parsing the data) |
| 15:55.46 | cld2 | cydork: thanks my problem. thanks. |
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| 15:56.09 | cld2 | thats^ my problem. |
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| 15:58.08 | eduhat | is there any way that i could upgrade from sarge to etch? |
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| 16:01.33 | Greyhound | hi |
| 16:02.01 | Greyhound | i just installed cups and added my Deskjet 710 C using the webinterface, but it refuses to print a test page. |
| 16:02.16 | eduhat | what is the name of testing? |
| 16:02.18 | cydork | eduhat: keep in mind that etch is not stable yet. also if you want you can install new software on sarge using bpo(/msg dpkg bpo). for upgrading check /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:02.36 | enouf | testing |
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| 16:05.22 | eduhat | anyone here know about wireless with debian. i need my wireless card to bind to wlan drivers instead of orinoco |
| 16:05.26 | filipe88 | sorry my poor English |
| 16:05.26 | filipe88 | is the following, necessary to develop a distribution, with support the java, with 1 browser, and good support to hardware, what do you indicate about point of I begin? |
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| 16:06.59 | netcrash | How can I now in linux if a disk is sata or scsi ? |
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| 16:09.51 | cahoot | netcrash: look at dmesg |
| 16:10.42 | TonyRad | Oi.. I'm having a problem getting my lvm set up right during the debian install partition guide. I did it before without too much hassle. This time when I do it none of my LVM partitions are set up right.. Can I get some help on what I might be doing wrong/how to do it right? |
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| 16:11.18 | Detox | having probs with setting up ssh followed the docs,, but all I get is a error stating the rsa does not match ,,, how do i fix? |
| 16:11.25 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, even this didnt help, the mouse wheel still pastes :-( |
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| 16:12.38 | ManuP | which file is executed after logging in gdm for user xy? |
| 16:12.59 | Ramattack | bye thanks a lot |
| 16:13.04 | Ramattack | have a nice day |
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| 16:15.12 | netcrash | cahoot: ok, now I see it, thanks |
| 16:15.13 | Detox | cannot get ssh to connect ,, set it up and all I get is error staing rsa does not match ,, jhow to fix? |
| 16:15.18 | ManuP | has no one an idea? |
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| 16:15.42 | ManuP | which file is executed after logging in gdm for user xy? |
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| 16:16.11 | eduhat | i need to get my wireless card binding to hostap drivers. how can i do this with sarge? should i just get the debian package or should i download the latest on the hostap website? |
| 16:18.26 | ManuP | approx 608 people in here, and no one an idea? |
| 16:18.43 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: it depends on which gdm session you're using. You can easily read the files yourself. |
| 16:18.46 | Detox | think it is nap time |
| 16:19.16 | Ronin | good idea Detox |
| 16:19.24 | Detox | ahhh awoke |
| 16:19.36 | Detox | can ya assist with ssh isssue? |
| 16:19.38 | DimmuR | cyzie, you can boot in single user and change password |
| 16:19.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: You penetrated a high security area! An alarm sounds! |
| 16:19.58 | ManuP | dondelelcaro, and where do i find? i looked in ~/.gnoe, ~/.gnome2 and some other. |
| 16:20.08 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: /etc/X11/gdm |
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| 16:20.42 | ManuP | dondelelcaro, okay, but this is a global file. i want to execute the script only after the login of user xy. |
| 16:21.03 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: then it depends on the session. Read the Session files to see what is executed. |
| 16:21.24 | ManuP | which session files? |
| 16:21.39 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: the session files for the GDM session that you're using |
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| 16:22.09 | devilmaycry` | hi all |
| 16:22.10 | ManuP | okay... ill ask google a bit about. |
| 16:23.05 | devilmaycry` | i want to install on my debian system DNS Server. Tell me software name |
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| 16:23.54 | ofer1 | devilmaycry`, bind9 |
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| 16:24.01 | devilmaycry` | ok |
| 16:24.02 | ofer1 | hey famir |
| 16:24.04 | devilmaycry` | am .... |
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| 16:24.22 | devilmaycry` | bind9 have a gtk? |
| 16:24.30 | famir | hi if my command line looks like this "foo:#" how can i change it ? |
| 16:24.42 | ofer1 | famir, using your .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 16:24.45 | ofer1 | famir, search for PS1 |
| 16:24.56 | ofer1 | devilmaycry`, no, it doesn't come with a GUI |
| 16:25.03 | devilmaycry` | oky |
| 16:25.08 | devilmaycry` | Sorry i am lame |
| 16:25.20 | devilmaycry` | newbie on linux systems |
| 16:25.29 | ofer1 | devilmaycry`, no worries |
| 16:25.31 | famir | ofer1: 10x |
| 16:25.38 | devilmaycry` | 10x |
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| 16:25.51 | devilmaycry` | Thank YOu ofer1 |
| 16:26.13 | cld2 | devilmaycry`: there are a few bind front ends you could look at |
| 16:26.23 | cydork | 0|\/|G 1337 sp34k! |
| 16:26.31 | cld2 | devilmaycry`: usually web based. |
| 16:26.41 | devilmaycry` | webmin? |
| 16:26.45 | devilmaycry` | wowgok |
| 16:26.45 | cydork | !webmin |
| 16:26.45 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 16:26.45 | devilmaycry` | :) |
| 16:27.04 | cld2 | devilmaycry`: yeah thats an option. there are more specific bind front ends also. let me look |
| 16:27.17 | devilmaycry` | ok |
| 16:27.40 | famir | ofer1: found it it's looks like this export PS1='\h:\w\$ ' |
| 16:27.48 | ofer1 | famir, yes, it does. |
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| 16:28.22 | famir | ofer1: so how can i chang th "foo:#" |
| 16:28.38 | ofer1 | famir, how would you like it to be? |
| 16:28.52 | bonez39 | short of reinstalling debian..is it possible to hack the root password? I installed sarge on my son's amd64 machine this morning...and now I can't access the prompt either as user or root.... |
| 16:29.20 | famir | ofer1: "foo2:#" |
| 16:29.21 | cydork | bonez39: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 16:29.52 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 16:29.55 | ofer1 | famir, oh. use "hostname foo2" and edit /etc/hosts, changing foo with foo2 |
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| 16:30.20 | Suprano | enter that on you bash |
| 16:30.21 | famir | ofer1: did that! didnt work |
| 16:30.25 | Suprano | *your |
| 16:30.27 | ofer1 | famir, as root? |
| 16:30.46 | Suprano | ;) |
| 16:30.47 | ofer1 | famir, I don't believe it. please paste it somewhere (not here!), for example: rafb.net/paste |
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| 16:33.04 | famir | rafb.net/paste cat /etc/hosts |
| 16:33.04 | famir | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mcse.com |
| 16:33.05 | famir | # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts |
| 16:33.05 | famir | fe00::0 ip6-localnet |
| 16:33.05 | famir | ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix |
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| 16:33.19 | dondelelcaro | wow... |
| 16:33.22 | ofer1 | damn. |
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| 16:33.59 | ofer1 | famir, do not paste here. paste in rafb.net/paste |
| 16:34.20 | famir | what is rafb.net/paste ? |
| 16:34.27 | ofer1 | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 16:34.28 | enouf | why are fork bombs abound? |
| 16:34.30 | ofer1 | that's better? |
| 16:34.31 | devilmaycry` | amm howto i install .deb packet? |
| 16:34.38 | ofer1 | devilmaycry`, dpkg -i a.deb |
| 16:34.47 | devilmaycry` | 10x |
| 16:34.48 | famir | ok |
| 16:34.49 | Ronin | devilmaycry`: or apt-get install |
| 16:35.09 | devilmaycry` | Ronin, yes i know apt |
| 16:35.35 | famir | ofer1: URL: http://rafb.net/p/wVCDMu96.html |
| 16:35.35 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: pastebin your xorg.conf |
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| 16:36.24 | ofer1 | famir, do you want your hostname to be mcse.com ? |
| 16:36.32 | eduhat | how could i get my wireless card to bind to wlan-ng instead of orinoco |
| 16:37.05 | enouf | eduhat: udev rules? |
| 16:37.26 | enouf | eduhat: nevermind, I misread |
| 16:37.31 | eduhat | enouf: i was gunna say |
| 16:37.58 | famir | ofer1: yse |
| 16:38.00 | eduhat | enouf: know what i could do? |
| 16:38.19 | ofer1 | famir, please run the command: "hostname msce.com" as root. |
| 16:38.48 | famir | ofer1: did nothing |
| 16:39.01 | enouf | eduhat: no idea mate .. no wifi here .. |
| 16:39.08 | Ronin | famir: open a new terminal and check again |
| 16:39.15 | ofer1 | famir, do you want your hostname to be mcse.com or you just want it to appear on the command line ? |
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| 16:39.19 | eduhat | enouf: allrighty then |
| 16:39.20 | famir | ofer1: working thanks |
| 16:39.27 | ofer1 | famir, oh. cool |
| 16:39.45 | famir | ofer1: 10x úåãä òì äëì àéù |
| 16:39.48 | enouf | eduhat: you're talking about modules? |
| 16:40.14 | ofer1 | famir, alright |
| 16:40.18 | eduhat | enouf: yeah |
| 16:40.31 | enouf | !tell eduhat: about blacklist |
| 16:40.38 | enouf | !tell eduhat -about blacklist |
| 16:40.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, when im doing a dist-upgrade and my session gets dissconnected whats the proper way to continue from where i left off? |
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| 16:42.18 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: just run the command again. |
| 16:42.19 | ofer1 | evilbulgarian, doing dist-upgrade again.. APT will work this out |
| 16:42.43 | evilbulgarian | ofer1: so kill the hanging dpkg process |
| 16:42.45 | cyzie | DimmuR, how ? |
| 16:42.57 | cyzie | DimmuR, still trying and no success yet |
| 16:43.02 | ofer1 | evilbulgarian, did you run it in the background ? |
| 16:43.13 | ofer1 | evilbulgarian, if it's interactive shell, just use ctrl+c |
| 16:43.30 | DimmuR | cyzie, using grub or lilo? |
| 16:43.37 | eduhat | enouf: now after doing that do i restart? |
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| 16:44.00 | evilbulgarian | ofer1: no i got dissconnected and had to log back in |
| 16:44.39 | evilbulgarian | ofer1: so now apt-get and pkg are i think hanging on ehter one of the ncurses screens or config replacement question should i just kill them or? |
| 16:45.06 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: you can; but you should really start using screen when you're doing this sort of thing |
| 16:45.23 | evilbulgarian | dondelelcaro: yeah i usually do in this case i forgot |
| 16:45.32 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: you're going to want to double check that apt-get isn't running any postinst scripts, though. |
| 16:45.34 | enouf | eduhat: no need .. I don't think .. maybe modprobe -r to remove any unwanted then run update-modules |
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| 16:46.13 | eduhat | enouf: then how do i add the hostap modules? |
| 16:46.30 | enouf | modprobe hostap |
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| 16:47.11 | eduhat | enouf: Modules hostap not found... i think i need to apt-get it/ |
| 16:47.18 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok |
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| 16:47.57 | enouf | eduhat: hrm .. modprobe -l | grep hostap as root .. what is that hostap? |
| 16:48.09 | enouf | I mean where did you get it form |
| 16:48.30 | enouf | man update-modules says it's deprecated .. hrmm |
| 16:48.38 | eduhat | enouf: nothing came up |
| 16:48.41 | cyzie | DimmuR, grub |
| 16:48.43 | enouf | the tool ..that is |
| 16:48.53 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5002 |
| 16:48.58 | pickcoder | hostap is in etch |
| 16:49.03 | eduhat | enouf: http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?products_id=43 |
| 16:49.17 | DimmuR | cyzie, ten aafter reboot chose "rescue mode" from grub menu (you have always 2 entries for the same kernel - normal mode and rescue) |
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| 16:49.35 | enouf | eduhat: I got 4 diff hostap modules here |
| 16:49.36 | eduhat | pickcoder: would it be a wize decision to upgrade to etch from sarge for a desktop machine? |
| 16:49.42 | enouf | on 2.6.16 Debian kernel |
| 16:49.49 | enouf | ok HardDisk_WP .. looking |
| 16:49.57 | cyzie | DimmuR, for mine, normal mode and single user mode |
| 16:50.33 | eduhat | enouf: i have 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:50.37 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you have no EmulateWhellButtonTimeout entry |
| 16:50.49 | eduhat | enouf: im going to upgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 16:50.51 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: er EmulateWheelButtonTimeout |
| 16:51.02 | pickcoder | eduhat: only if you want current software.. if your machine is running fine and you don't need a specific piece of software no in Sarge, then no.. |
| 16:51.02 | enouf | eduhat: are you on Sarge ? |
| 16:51.02 | eduhat | enouf: or should i update to etch? |
| 16:51.14 | eduhat | enouf: yep |
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| 16:51.26 | enouf | eduhat: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:51.30 | cyzie | DimmuR, so ? |
| 16:51.38 | cyzie | DimmuR, i dont have rescue mode |
| 16:51.47 | DimmuR | cyzie, then choose signle mode |
| 16:52.00 | pickcoder | eduhat: if you decide to dist-upgrade, do it first with -s so it will simulate only.. make sure you read what's being removed and installed. |
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| 16:52.16 | pickcoder | there's a lurking problem with dist-upgrade trashing systems |
| 16:52.17 | cyzie | DimmuR, have tried that but it ask for root password :-s |
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| 16:52.48 | Kerr | One of my friends wants to dual boot his laptop with linux; he has an advent 7111. Is he likely to run into problems with etch? |
| 16:52.48 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: er EmulateWheelTimeout I mean this time :-P |
| 16:52.56 | DimmuR | cyzie, ask for password to run in signle mode or password for root to login? |
| 16:52.57 | enouf | raeaad the docs dammit |
| 16:53.08 | pickcoder | specifically, the kernel and initrd packages get removed from the Sarge install and nothing is put back for Etch. |
| 16:53.11 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, damn...enabling this removes the button... |
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| 16:53.17 | DimmuR | cyzie, check if there is no password set for entering single mode (in grub config) |
| 16:53.25 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, problem is: i want the wheelbutton only in firefox and nowhere else |
| 16:53.50 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: no it stops it from pasting when pressed |
| 16:53.50 | eduhat | enouf: so after changing sources.list just apt-get install upgrade? apt-get install upgrade -s |
| 16:53.50 | cyzie | DimmuR, ? |
| 16:53.50 | HardDisk_WP | bcause firefox can handle the middle button alone |
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| 16:53.50 | eduhat | enouf: sorry... without the install |
| 16:53.50 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, yay, but in firefox the button doesnt work anymore too |
| 16:54.01 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: the "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" does rthe scrolling |
| 16:54.03 | bytebubble | hi..I just booted into my debian box and it gave me lots of errors about the / filesystem. I used the live cd to fsck it, now i am unable to login. it mentions critical errors related to PAM. how should I proceed? |
| 16:54.05 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 16:54.13 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, scrolling still works |
| 16:54.14 | DimmuR | cyzie, check your grub config if it doesn't require passord to run single mode bcause when you enter single mode it does'nt ask for foot password |
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| 16:54.32 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, only the wheel press is the thing...it should work in Firefox, but nowhere else |
| 16:54.44 | Valombre | hi, someone using ajaxterm here ? |
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| 16:55.00 | SexyKen | Hey guys! Anyone ever heard of LSI MegaRaid? |
| 16:55.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you never asked for that .. you complained about Kate Kedit, Kwrite and pasting -- after I told you that funtion for Firefox is within Firefox's Config Options |
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| 16:55.11 | blondie | !anyone |
| 16:55.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:55.12 | cyzie | DimmuR, huh? how ? been trying a few steps it isnt working |
| 16:56.40 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: then if that's what you want .. then you got to go another route .. a Left+Right buttons Simultaneous click (together) will do what the wheel press would've done |
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| 16:57.02 | enouf | Read the Docs :-P |
| 16:57.04 | evilbulgarian | what is the best way to add routes during startup? |
| 16:57.11 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, aah thx |
| 16:57.19 | SexyKen | I need drivers for LSI MegaRaid, I need them. Please give them to me |
| 16:57.21 | SexyKen | That better? |
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| 16:57.49 | sts | hello flks |
| 16:57.50 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: I know this cause that's how it works in links2 also :-) |
| 16:58.00 | sts | how can i change the resolution of my console? |
| 16:58.02 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: thew ultimate browser |
| 16:58.06 | enouf | the* |
| 16:58.11 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, a remake of lynx? |
| 16:58.15 | enouf | dump firepoop |
| 16:58.30 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: no .. entirely diff I think |
| 16:58.47 | eduhat | is there an installation manuel for etch? |
| 16:58.54 | HardDisk_WP | hmm...i feel strange...i feel like some evil from james bond...i sit on my chair in front of my PC and kitten sitting on me.. |
| 16:58.59 | cusco | eduhat: yes! |
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| 16:59.18 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: right now it's only in Sid afaik .. http://links.twibright.com/ |
| 16:59.20 | eduhat | cusco: gotta link? |
| 16:59.25 | cusco | where they reffer more to aptitude instead of apt-get! |
| 16:59.33 | cusco | I didn't understand yet whyl... eduhat hold on |
| 16:59.54 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: atleas the links2 version is |
| 17:00.27 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 17:00.29 | HardDisk_WP | i'll try |
| 17:00.32 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk |
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| 17:01.03 | enouf | It is in Etch HardDisk_WP .. do --> /msg dpkg info links2 etch |
| 17:01.08 | cusco | eduhat: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
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| 17:01.44 | cluck | cusco: () |
| 17:02.50 | cusco | yo cluck () |
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| 17:09.27 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 17:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
| 17:09.36 | enouf | !qotd |
| 17:09.36 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 17:09.42 | enouf | bah |
| 17:10.14 | klim_ | hi, any ideas what could be the problem? EXT3-fs error (device sda11) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 17:10.19 | cusco | !qotd0 |
| 17:10.19 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
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| 17:12.20 | cld2 | anyone know of a good linux friendly AMD mobo? also anyone have serial/console working on there PC hardware? thanks. |
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| 17:13.00 | rhalff | hi:mount: /dev/drbd0 already mounted or /srv busy, what could be happening, drbd is active, but not mounted |
| 17:13.08 | thelostbutler | why doesn't sarge have gcc-2.96 for i386 but has it for ia64 ? |
| 17:13.10 | rhalff | and /srv has nothing mounted on it |
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| 17:16.29 | SexyKen | What is a .o file? |
| 17:16.52 | SexyKen | IE: megaraid2.o |
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| 17:17.44 | cld2 | is it a module? |
| 17:17.44 | cld2 | kernel module, that is? |
| 17:17.44 | cld2 | SexyKen: where did you find it? |
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| 17:18.28 | SexyKen | I think it's a module |
| 17:18.32 | SexyKen | Can I load it with modprobe? |
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| 17:18.39 | SexyKen | I took it from a .img file |
| 17:18.40 | cld2 | try modprobe megaraid |
| 17:18.47 | cld2 | or modprobe megaraid2 |
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| 17:19.01 | Aidy | hi |
| 17:19.04 | cld2 | well. scratch that they have to be in your modules dir dont they? |
| 17:19.09 | SexyKen | Neither one worked, cld2 ... says it's not found |
| 17:19.12 | valdyn | SexyKen: what's the purpose of this? |
| 17:19.18 | SexyKen | I need to activate my raid |
| 17:19.39 | valdyn | SexyKen: ...and you have which raid hardware? |
| 17:19.59 | SexyKen | LSI Logic MegaRAID SATA300-8X |
| 17:20.28 | Aidy | i wonder why i can't do modprobe when i do su, but it works when i login at root |
| 17:21.10 | valdyn | !path |
| 17:21.11 | dpkg | it has been said that path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 17:21.16 | valdyn | Aidy: ^^^ |
| 17:21.19 | cydork | Aidy: paths are diff. modprobe is in sbin |
| 17:21.34 | Aidy | and how do i change that |
| 17:21.34 | eduhat | anyone here know anything about grub? |
| 17:21.46 | valdyn | !tell eduhat -about ask |
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| 17:21.53 | cydork | Aidy: use su - |
| 17:21.57 | armonica | hey |
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| 17:22.10 | armonica | i think of installing debian k bsd |
| 17:22.15 | Aidy | cydork: i don't have the minus sign on my keyboard |
| 17:22.24 | armonica | are there someone who have experience or idea about this system |
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| 17:22.45 | N0S3 | openvpn on debian sarge can run multiple instance for each conf file in /etc/openvpn ?? is right? |
| 17:22.46 | snowbird | hey |
| 17:23.03 | snowbird | wwhen i throw memory here is says cpu over speed and wont boot. |
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| 17:23.06 | armonica | anyone answer me ? |
| 17:23.12 | snowbird | it that cause ecc |
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| 17:23.23 | Ronin | armonica: didnt really ask a question |
| 17:23.34 | pngwn | armonica, you are off topic |
| 17:23.43 | armonica | what must i do |
| 17:23.48 | valdyn | pngwn: is he? |
| 17:23.51 | cydork | armonica: join #gnu-kbsd |
| 17:23.51 | armonica | which channel is suitable |
| 17:23.54 | valdyn | !kfreebsd |
| 17:24.05 | N0S3 | somebody use openvpn with multiple instance? |
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| 17:24.11 | dondelelcaro | it's perfectly acceptable to ask about Debian kFreeBSD here. |
| 17:24.25 | cydork | dondelelcaro: yep but not many people use it here. |
| 17:24.26 | pngwn | is that new? |
| 17:24.27 | dondelelcaro | however, not very many people use it, so you may not want to if you need to ask questions... |
| 17:24.28 | armonica | ok |
| 17:24.41 | Aidy | how do i make the minus sign in debian when i can't type it with my keyboard |
| 17:24.46 | dondelelcaro | - |
| 17:24.50 | SexyKen | I said what the hardware is...anyone? |
| 17:24.51 | dondelelcaro | Aidy: copy and paste from the above line. |
| 17:24.57 | armonica | i must ask the quenstion |
| 17:25.04 | Aidy | dondelelcaro: how do you do that |
| 17:25.14 | dondelelcaro | Aidy: select with mouse; use middle button to patse. |
| 17:25.16 | dondelelcaro | s/ts/st/ |
| 17:25.25 | armonica | nobody answer me gnu-kfreebsd |
| 17:25.30 | armonica | nobody answer me on gnu-kfreebsd |
| 17:25.45 | dondelelcaro | armonica: that's because no one here uses it |
| 17:25.54 | dondelelcaro | armonica: there's documentation; feel free to read about it |
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| 17:26.47 | armonica | is debian kfrebsg funtional as much as debian eych ? |
| 17:26.52 | armonica | is debian kfrebsg funtional as much as debian etch ? |
| 17:26.56 | dondelelcaro | armonica: no. |
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| 17:27.36 | eduhat | I am running etch. when i type startx it doesnt start anything. it goes back to the normal prompt with a fatal server error saying that no screens found. i see three other (EE) which say Failed to load module "kbd", Failed to load module "mouse", and No devices detected |
| 17:28.05 | hark | eduhat: haha another one. |
| 17:28.05 | schme | eduhat: paste your error log and config somewhere |
| 17:28.17 | snowbird | off to fix ram isue |
| 17:28.19 | armonica | dondelelcaro, no body answer me on gnu-freebsd |
| 17:28.35 | armonica | so i am thinkin of asking my quenstion here |
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| 17:28.51 | hark | armonica: it's #gnu-kbsd iirc |
| 17:28.52 | eduhat | schme: im in terminal so i cant copy and paste... |
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| 17:29.11 | armonica | hark, |
| 17:29.15 | hark | eduhat: install xserver-xorg-input-kbd /mouse |
| 17:29.16 | saftsack | hi is it possible to use apt-get behind a firewall? |
| 17:29.21 | armonica | i am in there almos 10 minute |
| 17:29.25 | saftsack | there are just the common ports opened |
| 17:29.30 | armonica | noone speak about something |
| 17:29.58 | raf256_ | azeem: there, I hope my current ID is fully satyfactory =) |
| 17:30.08 | eduhat | Hark: it could find package xserver-xorg-input-kdb |
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| 17:30.40 | hark | eduhat: s/kdb/kbd |
| 17:31.12 | eduhat | hark: so: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-kbd /mouse? |
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| 17:31.28 | eduhat | hark: when i did that it says E: Couln't find package |
| 17:31.51 | hark | eduhat: xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse are two separate packages |
| 17:31.58 | eduhat | oh |
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| 17:32.16 | eduhat | okay.. they are installed |
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| 17:33.04 | hark | eduhat: what graphics card? and what does Driver: say in your xorg.conf (Section Device) |
| 17:34.12 | eduhat | hark: im on a laptop... for mouse it says mouse and for keyboard it says kbd |
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| 17:34.51 | hark | eduhat: Section "Device" |
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| 17:35.27 | azeem | armonica: it's a low-traffic channel |
| 17:35.37 | eduhat | hark: Generic Video Card, the driver is apm |
| 17:35.45 | armonica | azeem, |
| 17:35.53 | stelki | Hello. How would I prevent programmes installed from starting with my system? |
| 17:36.01 | armonica | i dont understand what do you mean by saying low traffic channel |
| 17:36.11 | hark | eduhat: apm is wrong. again what graphics card do you have |
| 17:36.18 | azeem | armonica: it means there might be no messages for hours or days |
| 17:36.26 | azeem | and people might reply only hours later |
| 17:36.27 | eduhat | hark: i dont know what graphics card i have. |
| 17:36.33 | gentgeen__ | armonica, #kbsd is low traffic/ small number of messages |
| 17:36.42 | gentgeen__ | this on the other had is a very high traffic area |
| 17:36.49 | azeem | armonica: so it is best to ask a specific question, and wait till somebody (hopefully) answers |
| 17:37.17 | gentgeen__ | eduhat, what kind of laptop... can you google for it? |
| 17:37.28 | gentgeen__ | eduhat, "Linux on a XXX YYYY" |
| 17:37.42 | eduhat | i think it is a ATI Rage mobility or something like that |
| 17:37.42 | armonica | hmm ok |
| 17:37.44 | hark | eduhat: try lspci |
| 17:37.45 | gentgeen__ | unless it is brand spanking new, you will prob. be able to find out |
| 17:37.59 | armonica | ooooooooooo |
| 17:38.00 | lindenle | OK guys this is kind of a silly one but I am running beryl on top of kde and I cant change my desktop background can anyone offer suggestions |
| 17:38.04 | armonica | what can i do |
| 17:38.09 | armonica | i need answers |
| 17:38.15 | hark | eduhat: then install xserver-xorg-video-ati and change "apm" to "ati" in the xorg.conf file |
| 17:38.22 | armonica | nobody answer me on debian server |
| 17:38.27 | eduhat | hark: ATI Tech Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) |
| 17:38.34 | armonica | nobody answer me in feenode |
| 17:38.37 | armonica | thats amazing |
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| 17:38.53 | hark | eduhat: good, then try what i said |
| 17:39.37 | rahul | armonica: use mailing lists. |
| 17:39.39 | gentgeen__ | armonica, You asked "armonica are there someone who have experience or idea about this system" .... so my guess is the answer is no |
| 17:39.59 | gentgeen__ | not that anyone is ignoring you, just no one hear (at the moment) has any experience |
| 17:40.00 | eduhat | hark: after that start x? |
| 17:40.15 | hark | eduhat: startx , yeah go for it |
| 17:40.24 | gentgeen__ | check Usenet, google, mailing list -- or check back here later today |
| 17:40.31 | eduhat | hark: as root? or user? or does it matter |
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| 17:41.10 | eduhat | hark: okay. fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 17:41.32 | hark | eduhat: install xfonts-base iirc |
| 17:41.53 | hark | eduhat: what command did you use to install X |
| 17:42.08 | hark | !fixed |
| 17:42.08 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 17:42.17 | eduhat | hark: i didnt... it did it by itself |
| 17:42.17 | gentgeen__ | eduhat, lol ... been there.... hark is correct |
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| 17:43.00 | eduhat | hark: Couldnt find package iirc |
| 17:43.57 | hark | eduhat: er.. iirc => if i recall correctly ;) |
| 17:44.05 | blondie | hahaha |
| 17:44.06 | gentgeen__ | search on p.d.o shows "xfonts-base" is the right name |
| 17:44.37 | hark | gentgeen__: ofcourse it is ;) |
| 17:44.51 | eduhat | hark: so change iirc to what? or do i just do xfonts-base by it self? |
| 17:45.00 | hark | eduhat: by itself |
| 17:45.02 | gentgeen__ | hehehehe |
| 17:45.11 | hark | sigh |
| 17:45.41 | gentgeen__ | "iirc" is short hand for him saying "If I recall correctly" --- i.e. "I think the name is xfonts-base but I could be wrong" |
| 17:45.50 | eduhat | OH!!!! |
| 17:46.06 | eduhat | oooops |
| 17:46.30 | eduhat | okay... x is started :) |
| 17:46.33 | eduhat | lol |
| 17:47.04 | hark | !yay |
| 17:47.05 | dpkg | yay! |
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| 17:47.16 | eduhat | thx guys |
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| 17:48.02 | gentgeen__ | np |
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| 17:48.52 | gentgeen__ | Far trade... you gave me a laugh when I needed one :-D |
| 17:49.30 | gentgeen__ | s/a/ai/ |
| 17:49.38 | eduhat | hehe |
| 17:49.52 | eduhat | now what does the whole s/a/ai/ mean?? |
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| 17:50.27 | gentgeen__ | from sed .... seach for "a" and replace with "ai" |
| 17:50.49 | gentgeen__ | correction ... search for first "a" and replace with "ai" |
| 17:50.58 | gentgeen__ | Far should have been fair |
| 17:51.09 | eduhat | ahh |
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| 17:57.21 | rhalff | hi anyone wanna help me with a network problem ? |
| 17:57.57 | sohmestra | I want to have my email client be able to verify a certificate produced by an unofficial CA. How do I do that? |
| 17:58.07 | sohmestra | I've added the CA c ert to /etc/ssl/certs |
| 17:58.30 | sohmestra | but that doesn't seem to help |
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| 17:59.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: You see here a food ration. You sense a faint wave of psychic energy. titan is dead, next comes medusa. dlvl:23, $50000 |
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| 18:00.26 | rhsanborn | Anyone here use multiple access points/multiple wireless locations? I have 5-6 different locations at which I connect, and I was hoping there was a package that could autmagically detect which access points I had access to and connect to them |
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| 18:00.39 | gentgeen__ | !ask |
| 18:01.37 | Dewi | does anyone know what I have to do to get raw device I/O? do I need to switch from udev to devfs? |
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| 18:07.53 | chele | Ciao, un saluto a tutto il canale! |
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| 18:09.07 | cydork | !it |
| 18:09.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 18:10.12 | eduhat | where the grub config file? |
| 18:10.59 | cydork | eduhat: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:13.19 | kombi | with awstats, how does one get stats of yesteryear? |
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| 18:13.52 | kombi | ..please don't tell me you don't.. |
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| 18:14.38 | vanisher | kombi: use the dropdown to select yesterday? |
| 18:15.31 | kombi | vanisher: s/yesterday/yesteryear |
| 18:17.03 | kombi | besides, I never saw a drop down thingie in awstats, did I miss something? |
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| 18:19.25 | ifsilver | Hello, i have a simple question, I install raidtools2 (Debian sarge), but i can't run mkraid, who i Install mkraid? |
| 18:19.50 | azeem | !search |
| 18:19.50 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 18:20.53 | armonica | hey |
| 18:21.02 | armonica | i wonna use debian k freebsd |
| 18:21.08 | armonica | i am using debian etch |
| 18:21.25 | Dewi | does anyone know what I have to do to get raw device I/O? do I need to switch from udev to devfs? |
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| 18:21.33 | armonica | is there a way passing k freebsd change sourcelist |
| 18:21.33 | Dewi | do I need to go back to an older kernel? |
| 18:21.49 | Dewi | armonica: what does freebsd have to do with us? |
| 18:22.12 | cydork | Dewi: it's Debian port with freebsd kernel :) |
| 18:22.12 | armonica | debian k freebsd |
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| 18:22.42 | armonica | or i install debian k freebsd from cd |
| 18:22.46 | rahul | Dewi: it has as much to do with debian as linux does |
| 18:22.54 | armonica | whats your suggestion |
| 18:23.05 | rahul | debian is a unix distribution, kernel independent... theoretically :) |
| 18:23.22 | cydork | armonica: what's wrong with your sources.list? |
| 18:23.28 | Ronin | armonica: do it or dont but in either case ask in the correct channel |
| 18:23.39 | armonica | there is no problem in my sourcelist |
| 18:23.40 | armonica | i mean |
| 18:23.51 | armonica | by changing something on sourcelist |
| 18:24.02 | armonica | i wonna use debian k freebsg |
| 18:24.08 | armonica | is it possible ? |
| 18:24.10 | rahul | no |
| 18:24.11 | Dewi | rahul: that's not why I'm sighing |
| 18:24.16 | cydork | armonica: no.. |
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| 18:24.40 | Dewi | rahul: I'm sighing because I've spent the entire evening scraping a disk with a dodgy shell script because nobody will tell me how to get raw I/O so I can use a real tool |
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| 18:24.41 | armonica | someone said it can ask on this channel |
| 18:24.47 | maxo | hi |
| 18:24.53 | rahul | someone said my ass is hot |
| 18:25.00 | Ronin | rahul: they lied |
| 18:25.01 | armonica | muhah |
| 18:25.04 | rahul | Dewi: it's an ioctl |
| 18:25.08 | cydork | rahul: no it's not! |
| 18:25.10 | Dewi | rahul: "use o_direct I/O" they say, but that tool sucks. I need rawctl |
| 18:25.21 | Dewi | rahul: but I have nfi whether it is even possible in new kernels |
| 18:25.37 | Dewi | rahul: I just can't find any clear instructions on how to do it that aren't years old |
| 18:25.45 | rahul | don't you have to switch the drive into raw mode? or is that different between char and block devs? |
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| 18:26.00 | Dewi | rahul: that's what I'm trying to do for all these hours. Get a raw device node |
| 18:26.05 | rahul | Dewi: O_DIRECT is a flag, not a tool |
| 18:26.09 | maxo | I just installed debian, but I'm having problems - first it didn't install X, even though I told it to, so I had to make it do that, then it won't use the correct screen resolution and mouse even though I've told it to. And I'm fiddling around with configuration files for hours to no avail. Is there a distribution that installs debian and automatically configures everything, whilst still giving me the power to do for example apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:26.21 | Dewi | rahul: well, it's a way of raw reading that the software I wish to use does not support |
| 18:26.36 | Ronin | !tell maxo about drxx |
| 18:26.56 | rahul | Dewi: try #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 18:27.11 | rahul | Dewi: O_DIRECT means to bypass caches |
| 18:27.12 | Dewi | rahul: I will. I'm a complete newb |
| 18:27.16 | maxo | Ronin: is that where it asks you about your screen res and stuff? because I did that, and it still won't use my mouse or the right resolution |
| 18:27.55 | Dewi | rahul: I have to be at work in about 5 hours. sigh. |
| 18:28.13 | Dewi | rahul: but that is quite a full channel - you may have found me salvation tomorrow. Thank you. |
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| 18:30.42 | Dewi | night all. It's been... interesting. |
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| 18:31.03 | Dewi | rahul: one last question |
| 18:31.08 | Dewi | rahul: when you say O_DIRECT is a flag |
| 18:31.16 | rahul | man 2 open |
| 18:31.18 | rahul | it's in there |
| 18:31.22 | Dewi | rahul: is it a flag the software has to set or can I set it myself? |
| 18:31.30 | rahul | it's passed to the syscall |
| 18:31.50 | Dewi | rahul: okay, so I will have to hack some source. But it sounds pretty trivial |
| 18:32.17 | rahul | Dewi: it doesn't change much of the semantics |
| 18:32.24 | rahul | it just means you may screw up at times |
| 18:32.33 | valdyn | Dewi: what do you need 'raw device i/o for' ? |
| 18:32.35 | ozzloy | i compiled a kernel module, but now i want to try a new version. how do i make the system forget about the old one? |
| 18:32.39 | Dewi | rahul: I'm speaking of GNU ddrescue - the manual says to put the block device in raw mode |
| 18:32.47 | rahul | Dewi: that's totally different |
| 18:32.49 | Dewi | valdyn: see above |
| 18:33.24 | Dewi | rahul: well, it's not that different - the reason is to get at the block device without buffering/caching getting in the way |
| 18:33.39 | valdyn | Dewi: i don't see a reason above |
| 18:33.47 | Dewi | valdyn: I am trying to run GNU ddclient |
| 18:34.03 | Dewi | valdyn: the manual says to put the block device of the partition into 'raw i/o' mode |
| 18:34.15 | Dewi | valdyn: which has something to do with /dev/raw* and /dev/rawctl |
| 18:34.27 | Dewi | valdyn: but I can't figure out if it's even supported in current kernels |
| 18:34.45 | valdyn | Dewi: 'ddclient' updates dynamic DNS entries <- that's it? seriously? |
| 18:34.52 | Dewi | valdyn: although december's knoppix on 2.6.19 seems to still have the utility raw(8) |
| 18:34.56 | Dewi | did I really say that? |
| 18:35.00 | Dewi | jesus |
| 18:35.04 | Dewi | ddrescue |
| 18:35.09 | valdyn | Dewi: ok |
| 18:35.28 | valdyn | Dewi: ddrescue to benchmark? to rescue data? |
| 18:35.31 | Dewi | like I said... I have work in under 5 hours. I'm pretty tired. |
| 18:35.38 | Dewi | valdyn: to rescue data off a failing disk |
| 18:35.57 | Dewi | valdyn: it wants raw mode, but I have no idea how to get it, especially on a rescue CD which is where I'd really prefer to work |
| 18:35.58 | valdyn | Dewi: ok. I'm not sure what the point of o_direct would be in that |
| 18:36.41 | Dewi | valdyn: well, I get the feeling that if I hacked the source to open the block device with O_DIRECT it would bypass buffering/caching and hopefully achieve the same result as opening a raw device |
| 18:37.01 | valdyn | Dewi: ddrescue or dd_rescue? |
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| 18:37.15 | Dewi | valdyn: dd_rescue isn't automatic enough |
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| 18:37.31 | valdyn | Dewi: 'raw device' means something like '/dev/sda' i assume, NOT o_direct. |
| 18:37.31 | Dewi | valdyn: and that script people use is full of dodgy regexps that don't properly match the programs output, especially on large disks |
| 18:37.51 | cydork | Dewi: no they mean raw character device. man raw |
| 18:38.06 | Dewi | valdyn: no, raw device means using raw(8) and /dev/rawctl and /dev/raw* to create a secondary node for a block device which bypasses all kernel buffering/caching |
| 18:38.22 | valdyn | Dewi: that's fucked up |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | Dewi: can i see that 'script' ? |
| 18:38.31 | Dewi | but I haven't found a recent rescue disk that has both /dev/rawctl and raw(8) |
| 18:38.33 | Dewi | so I'm kind of stuck |
| 18:38.38 | Dewi | and there's just no real doco anymore |
| 18:38.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm done 19109/19133 |
| 18:39.00 | Dewi | valdyn: the script is linked to on the dd_rescue page. It's a bit shite. |
| 18:39.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: and my wizard is saved, in the castle with a bunch of wands of wishing :) |
| 18:39.15 | Dewi | valdyn: dd_rescue doesn't need raw I/O because it's been patched to use O_DIRECT |
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| 18:39.47 | Dewi | valdyn: or so I've been led to believe. GNU ddrescue, however, has no such intelligence and the manual says to consult my OS docs on how to get a raw version of my block device |
| 18:40.38 | Dewi | but GNU ddrescue automates much, much more, and with the number of bad sectors on this disk I can't manually navigate around them or I'll be here forever |
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| 18:41.36 | Dewi | anyway... I haven't gotten more than 5 hours sleep any day this week or spent 2 hours away from a monitor, so I'd better give up for another night |
| 18:41.57 | broadcaster | i have 5 raid-arrays and createt another one today, so i needed a device-node /dev/md5, but that one disappears on reboot. how can i make it stay? |
| 18:42.05 | Dewi | if anybody can shed some light on how /dev/raw* should be used in modern times, please don't hesitate to bling or privmsg me |
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| 18:42.24 | Dewi | I'll be back in six :) |
| 18:42.36 | cydork | Dewi: if you bind a device to /dev/raw * then you can use ddrecue on that device |
| 18:42.43 | cydork | Dewi: iirc :P |
| 18:42.59 | Dewi | cydork: yep, but I'm yet to find a modern OS that has a /dev/raw* |
| 18:43.27 | broadcaster | i have udev, btw |
| 18:43.35 | Dewi | cydork: and I really would like something recent because I'm using SATA and I get a lot of crashes already |
| 18:43.36 | cydork | Dewi: there should be raw module |
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| 18:47.30 | w0jtas | hi, is there person who will install me kernel and configure botting ? |
| 18:47.41 | Dewi | w0jtas: botting? |
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| 18:47.49 | w0jtas | sry bad english ;p |
| 18:48.01 | w0jtas | boot manager or i dont know ;p |
| 18:48.03 | w0jtas | i means lil |
| 18:48.05 | w0jtas | lilo* |
| 18:48.05 | blondie | "sorry" |
| 18:48.05 | Dewi | cydork: gotta go... goodnight |
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| 18:49.35 | mario__ | big OT; sorry but, what's "gotta" ? |
| 18:49.55 | blondie | "got to" |
| 18:50.10 | mario__ | blondie: thanks! |
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| 18:58.43 | sphenxes | for reason that i don't know ktronet icon has vanished from my desktop (Gnome) but it is working (Top). Where or how can I maximise ktorrent once more. |
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| 19:01.28 | PupenoR | Is there any tool that I can use to monitor the bandwith being used by some IP thru my gateway ? |
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| 19:01.49 | PaSurf | with the debian installer for amd64, is it necessary to specify linux26 in order to use the latest kernel? |
| 19:02.19 | PupenoR | sphenxes: the presense of a process doesn't mean the process (still) has a working GUI. |
| 19:02.21 | Flimzy | PupenoR: iptraf may do what you want |
| 19:02.54 | h3sp4wn | PupenoR: etch or the unofficial sarge one ? |
| 19:03.07 | mc__ | Im using Sid and i'm on amd64 My java performance is VERY bad. With sun-java5-jdk and with jdk6(downloaded from sun). I already set the classpath to the correct jre,but still everythin is very slow. Jedit for instance takes 1.5 minutes to start up. |
| 19:03.10 | sphenxes | PupenoR, ic thanks |
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| 19:03.24 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: Etch or the unofficial sarge one ? |
| 19:04.35 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: sarge. I tried to use linux26 with no luck.. |
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| 19:05.03 | DamianFinol | Greetings |
| 19:05.20 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: I would use the etch rc1 installer - it is frozen for release and has security support now |
| 19:05.29 | DamianFinol | Say I'm dual booting Windows and Debian, and I would like to run an antivirus on the Windows partition, is there one available from Linux? |
| 19:05.33 | hark | mc__: did you use update-alternatives? |
| 19:06.06 | mc__ | hark: nope,but i set JAVA_HOME and the path |
| 19:06.13 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: Never used the sarge one (as it is unofficial) |
| 19:06.17 | sphenxes | how to enable DHT on ktorrent. I check the button in front of DHT but after i close down the configuration window (then open it once more) i found DHT is unchecked (Gnome, SuSE) |
| 19:06.28 | sphenxes | sorry mistell |
| 19:06.33 | mc__ | hark: java -v prints out the right thing |
| 19:06.33 | mc__ | java -version |
| 19:06.33 | mc__ | java version "1.5.0_10" |
| 19:06.34 | hark | mc__: try update-alternatives --config java |
| 19:06.38 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: what does that mean by frozen? Is that basically the stable version for the amd64 release? |
| 19:06.41 | kyncani | DamianFinol: clamav, klamav for kde |
| 19:06.50 | hark | mc__: hmm, ok. |
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| 19:07.35 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: debian testing but frozen (i.e only important bug fixes are allowed through no new upstream versions) - will become stable within a month or two (hopefully) |
| 19:07.44 | DamianFinol | kyncani, Will it scan the windows partition from Linux? |
| 19:08.09 | kyncani | DamianFinol: with klamav, you can scan an entire directory from konqueror |
| 19:08.24 | DamianFinol | I use gnome. |
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| 19:08.50 | kyncani | DamianFinol: then you'll have to use clamav from the command line i guess |
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| 19:09.02 | DamianFinol | But it will scan and clean a windows partition, correct? |
| 19:09.06 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: are some of the developers still upset about some key developers being paid? I understood that was causing Etch to get release alittle slower? |
| 19:09.32 | kyncani | DamianFinol: yes, provided you read clamav's documentation |
| 19:09.43 | presto | hi all... i have 4 ethernet cards... how I can known how card is how ethX?? lspci?? |
| 19:09.46 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: No idea - Not too interested in that type of stuff |
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| 19:10.56 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: I wasn't either till I read the article and how it affected future releases (at lease at this time) hopefully it will blow over and they will get back to business as usuall./ |
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| 19:11.47 | efuzzyone | how do i remove configuration files of a package which is uninstalled? |
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| 19:13.03 | wakejagr | efuzzyone: search the apt-get man page for purge. that's what you want to use, but i'm not sure if it can be used with a package that has already been removed |
| 19:13.16 | Flimzy | efuzzyone: apt-get install <package>; dpkg --purge <package> |
| 19:13.39 | presto | anyone has at least one tip?? |
| 19:14.01 | efuzzyone | Flimzy: thanks |
| 19:14.08 | Flimzy | presto: Compare MAC addresses in ifconfig against the MAC printed on the card |
| 19:14.11 | wakejagr | Flimzy: it has to be installed to purge, eh? |
| 19:14.17 | Flimzy | presto: Plug an ethernet cable into one of the cards, and see which one becomes active |
| 19:14.27 | presto | [Flimzy]: tks a lot Flimzy!!! :D |
| 19:14.42 | Flimzy | presto: there are many other ways |
| 19:14.48 | Flimzy | wakejagr: As far as I know. |
| 19:15.13 | presto | [Flimzy]: I've phisic access to the machine... this is enough for a while... :) |
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| 19:15.21 | Flimzy | presto: have fun |
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| 19:17.35 | mormoloc | what packages do i need for my hp d1360 printer? |
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| 19:19.54 | Flimzy | mormoloc: Probably cups or lpr, depending on your preference. |
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| 19:20.01 | Flimzy | (cups is pretty vastly superior) |
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| 19:20.27 | mormoloc | k :) |
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| 19:23.45 | presto | how I can install a rtl-8029as on a debian 3.1, kernel 2.6.19.1??? |
| 19:24.01 | presto | i didn't found any kernel inside menuconfig |
| 19:24.12 | presto | i didn't found any driver inside menuconfig* |
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| 19:26.06 | PupenoR | Is there any program that can generate a graphic of the bandwidth used by a specific address in my network (the traffic in the gateway). |
| 19:26.17 | PupenoR | I see ntop can generate such a graphic but for all the traffic. |
| 19:26.32 | fireba11 | PupenoR: mrtg |
| 19:26.57 | PupenoR | fireba11: thanks. |
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| 19:29.23 | chrismortimore | latex question: i have set the title using "\title{foo}". is there a way to display this title within the document without typing "foo" explicitly every time? |
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| 19:30.19 | Flimzy | Someone do me a favor? go to google and do a search for "linux router failover"... is every link lacking a title and description for you, too? |
| 19:30.54 | xingu | Flimzy: no; but what you're looking for might be vrrpd |
| 19:31.00 | Flimzy | vrrpd? |
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| 19:31.19 | Flimzy | i.e. cached somewhere? |
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| 19:31.31 | PupenoR | fireba11: does that require snmp ? |
| 19:31.40 | xingu | Flimzy: debian, package, implements rfc2338 |
| 19:31.56 | xingu | Flimzy: re: google, search shows pages as expected |
| 19:31.58 | presto | how I can install a rtl-8029as on a debian 3.1, kernel 2.6.19.1??? |
| 19:32.00 | presto | i didn't found any driver inside menuconfig* |
| 19:32.20 | Flimzy | xingu: Got the same odd results here on 3 machines |
| 19:32.23 | Flimzy | 2 running Windows |
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| 19:32.46 | fireba11 | PupenoR: pretty much .. it needs to get the data from somehwere .... |
| 19:33.28 | PupenoR | fireba11: well, others like ntop, iftop, etc gather the data themselves. Any recomendation on snmp server to run ? |
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| 19:34.06 | fireba11 | PupenoR: can't you filter ntop somehow ? |
| 19:34.44 | PupenoR | fireba11: I am not sure how filters work... and if they are applied to the thourgput graph. |
| 19:34.52 | Flimzy | xingu: did you search with or without the quotes? |
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| 19:35.49 | xingu | Flimzy: without |
| 19:35.56 | Flimzy | xingu: okay. |
| 19:36.16 | xingu | Flimzy: nb their fancy redirector parks me at google.co.uk |
| 19:36.27 | Flimzy | xingu: ah. |
| 19:37.21 | xingu | PupenoR: ntop can allegedly export netflow data |
| 19:37.59 | PupenoR | xingu: as a totall, yes, but I need it by host. |
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| 19:38.18 | xingu | PupenoR: it can export netflow data *per flow* |
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| 19:39.46 | xingu | PupenoR: as can nprobe |
| 19:39.50 | devilmaycry` | howto compile apache without show version? |
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| 19:41.00 | Flimzy | devilmaycry`: Sounds like a bad idea. And probably completely unecessary. why do you want to? |
| 19:41.54 | xingu | devilmaycry`: why recompile? servertokens, serversignature. |
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| 19:42.04 | devilmaycry` | i want |
| 19:42.47 | PupenoR | xingu: how can ntop do it ? |
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| 19:43.14 | devilmaycry` | so |
| 19:43.16 | xingu | PupenoR: http://www.ntop.org/netflow.html |
| 19:43.26 | fireba11 | devilmaycry`: sounds pretty fishy .. like security trough obscurity ... |
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| 19:43.36 | Flimzy | I need some bright ideas on extending the life (by reducing the number of writes) to a CF root media. I know there are some filesystems designed for CF media, but I'm guessing they may not work well for the root fs? :) I could boot onto a ramdisk a la LRP... but that makes managing the system more difficult than with Debian... are there any other ways of doing this? |
| 19:43.47 | devilmaycry` | ok |
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| 19:44.26 | xingu | Flimzy: put an initrd on the cf media; perodically snapshot the in-memory filesystem and regenerate the initrd |
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| 19:46.03 | Flimzy | xingu: Is it reasonable to put the entire root FS within the initrd? I know typically initrds are only used for kernel modules... but I guess there's no reason the _entire_ fs can't be there, right? |
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| 19:46.21 | karsten | Flimzy: Persistence. |
| 19:46.41 | xingu | Flimzy: correct, no reason at all; obviously it'll chew a little memory. |
| 19:46.42 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: 1) turn off atime 2) make the filesystem ro 3) use a unionfs overlay or similar. |
| 19:46.56 | karsten | Flimzy: ... and understanding what happens with your initrd. It's probably a waste of RAM. |
| 19:47.05 | xingu | Flimzy: and as karsten alludes, you get to manage persistence all on your own at that point |
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| 19:47.32 | karsten | Flimzy: initrd: is loaded at boot time, only needs in it what you need to run the initrd scripts (mostly module loading) plus some forensics tools (eg: a usable shell (say: dash), and busybox. |
| 19:47.58 | karsten | Flimzy: If you're trying to put your _booted_ system root filesystem in initrd, and use it once boot is completed, that's not how initrd works. |
| 19:48.31 | xingu | karsten: there's nothing that stops you doing it though; you don't have to pivot_root |
| 19:48.46 | Flimzy | karsten: Persistence is not a big deal. the only thing we'll be running on these boxes is a firewal. If/when the firewall rules change, we can update that on the cf media. |
| 19:48.49 | karsten | Flimzy: ... and if you're just wanting to add all of your root FS to the initrd for shins'n'grits, all you're really doing is slowing down boot (more stuff to read off disk) and chewing up memory during boot time (probably not critical, but it could be). |
| 19:49.03 | xingu | horses/courses; how much memory does your system have? |
| 19:49.24 | karsten | Flimzy: If you want to run rootfs off of a *ramdisk* (which is where I think you're going) then you'd want to do things slightly differently. |
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| 19:49.58 | Flimzy | karsten: I'm not necissarily even strictly looking to run root on a ramdisk... although that could be an option. |
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| 19:50.05 | karsten | Flimzy: Initrd's default configuration could be used, but you'd want to lose the finial "pivot_root" as xingu said. That's what swaps out the root FS from under the kernel. |
| 19:50.12 | Kurtism | root on a ramdisk |
| 19:50.14 | Kurtism | hmmmmmm |
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| 19:50.18 | xingu | I think a full root in an initrd, and, an initrd plus ramdisk are going to be much of a muchness in practice |
| 19:50.20 | Kurtism | that would be very flimsy |
| 19:50.25 | karsten | Flimzy: Yeah, I'm not sure where your question is going so I'm filling in some details. |
| 19:52.21 | xingu | there's some advantage to keeping the rootfs discrete from bootfs; on the persistance angle, it'd make sense to have a pair of rootfs snapshots, and alternate between them such that you never write over the currently-eligable one |
| 19:52.33 | Flimzy | karsten: In a nutshell, I'm setting up a linux router. I'm wanting to boot off of CF media to avoid hard disk failure. |
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| 19:52.47 | bartden | hi, is there a free MIB browser for linux |
| 19:52.47 | xingu | the other angle you gain is being able to remotely, safely, overwrite the cold image and then boot to it. |
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| 19:52.54 | abrotman | because CF media is more reliable ? |
| 19:53.02 | blondie | bartden: min in black? |
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| 19:53.04 | xingu | cf readers sure aren't |
| 19:53.07 | Flimzy | karsten: I could use the CF media as a typical HD, but that would create a lot of writes (for syslogs, lock files, etc) that are not really _needed_ |
| 19:53.13 | Flimzy | abrotman: They're much quicker to replace. |
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| 19:53.30 | xingu | Flimzy: how much dram are these systems going to have? |
| 19:53.31 | Flimzy | abrotman: And if they're never/rarely written to (from my reading) they can last a very long time. |
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| 19:53.41 | Llama | hi all |
| 19:53.49 | karsten | Flimzy: OK. You want to research "root filesystem on ramdisk" (or ramfs or tmpfs IIRC). There are a few projects (eg: Linux Router Project) that set this up for you. |
| 19:53.51 | Flimzy | xingu: Whatever is deemed appropriate :) |
| 19:54.07 | Flimzy | karsten: yes, I've used a few LRP-derrived projects before (Coyote, for instance). |
| 19:54.21 | xingu | Flimzy: ok, well if you put the whole rootfs in dram you'll obviously need enough to fit it. |
| 19:54.25 | Flimzy | karsten: I've been disappointed with their lack of flexibility, tho... so if I could do Debian in a similar setup, that would be ideal. |
| 19:54.30 | Flimzy | xingu: sure :) |
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| 19:54.45 | Flimzy | I've put a suitable Debian installation on a 100mb HD before |
| 19:54.45 | xingu | Flimzy: if you don't, you're probably looking at something like jffs such that the rootfs is not a ramdisk, it's pageable. |
| 19:54.50 | Llama | What package shoud I install to get postscript drivers for my printers? My printer support IPP and PostScript, but CUPS show only hpijs and guteprint driver :( |
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| 19:54.58 | bolbol | Hello |
| 19:54.59 | Flimzy | By eliminating /usr/share/doc, and other useless things, I'm sure I can get it in much less |
| 19:55.09 | karsten | Flimzy: I had a similar getup at one point, source of a cautionary tale. I'd ended up doing an 'rm -rf / home' (space after slash) ... while booted to a ramdisk, with all but one partition mounted ro. |
| 19:55.18 | xingu | Flimzy: either way you're probably goingto wind up with a script that builds the cf rootfs just like mkinitrd |
| 19:55.30 | bolbol | I have configure logrotate. When is this script invoked ? When I do a crontab -l I don't see any command that start it :/ |
| 19:55.35 | karsten | Flimzy: There are also some specific tools in Debian for building that sort of thing. Scan the package lists. |
| 19:56.28 | Flimzy | Are there any filesystems that work by putting writes to a ramdisk, and only committing them to the CF media when prompted? Similar to an LVM snapshot (with the snapshot in ramdisk, and everything else on CF media) |
| 19:56.51 | xingu | Flimzy: you can tell ext3 to put its journal on something other than the mounted fs |
| 19:57.03 | Flimzy | Hm.. I' |
| 19:57.10 | Flimzy | d want to put _all_ writes somewhere else |
| 19:57.27 | karsten | Flimzy: You can tune FS parameters such as sync and flush. Those are typically used for power conservation on laptops. |
| 19:57.33 | TonyRad | So.. I set up kde and x-window-system... But I think I accidently set the resolution too high... Where do I go to fix that? |
| 19:57.34 | xingu | Flimzy: I've never tried to mount a fs snapshot from a ro device and put the journal on a rw one, but in theory... |
| 19:57.38 | karsten | Allows the disk to spin down, only spins up every few minutes for commits. |
| 19:57.47 | karsten | TonyRad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:57.56 | karsten | TonyRad: ... or xserver-xfree86 if you're on sarge. |
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| 19:58.18 | rahul | Flimzy: you can do the same with xfs |
| 19:58.19 | karsten | xingu: union mounts, pity Linux doesn't have 'em by default. |
| 19:58.29 | xingu | karsten: soon, soon. |
| 19:58.31 | bolbol | I have configure logrotate. When is this script invoked ? When I do a crontab -l I don't see any command that start it :/ |
| 19:58.42 | xingu | karsten: unionfs seems to be 2.6.20 material |
| 19:58.44 | karsten | bolbol: /etc/cron.* |
| 19:58.45 | Flimzy | xingu: Well I've been able to boot with a root LVM snapshot. That would work... if that snapshot was on a ramdisk (which would be pretty tricky to set up at boot... pvcreate; vgextend, lvcreate, all before the root fs is booted) |
| 19:58.51 | karsten | xingu: Schweet. |
| 19:59.17 | bolbol | karsten>thanks good answer :) |
| 19:59.27 | karsten | bolbol: I know ;-) |
| 19:59.36 | karsten | bolbol: Probably cron.daily is my bet. |
| 19:59.46 | bolbol | yes :)) |
| 19:59.52 | Flimzy | Hmm, there is an 'overlay filesystem'... maybe that could be used for this probject. |
| 20:00.32 | Flimzy | hrm, it's ancient and apparantly undeveloped now |
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| 20:01.56 | maxdoubt | is there a reason why an iso would mount ro, despite the fact that i do -o rw? |
| 20:02.07 | Flimzy | maxdoubt: Because it's an ISO |
| 20:02.08 | xingu | Flimzy: http://lwn.net/Articles/212599/ |
| 20:02.10 | enouf | would using something like vmware, xen, qemu for writes .. then saving a snapshot/image for the commit ? |
| 20:02.14 | Flimzy | maxdoubt: ISOs are ro by definition |
| 20:02.36 | maxdoubt | Flimzy, so how do i edit an iso? cp the files out of there? |
| 20:02.45 | Flimzy | maxdoubt: You don't edit an iso. You rebuild it. |
| 20:03.01 | Flimzy | xingu: that looks promising. thanks. |
| 20:03.02 | Flimzy | enouf: Were you suggesting that for me? |
| 20:03.10 | enouf | maxdoubt: yes .. loop mount it and cp it over .. edit it and mkisofs, genisoimage |
| 20:03.24 | enouf | Flimzy: yeah .. just tossing it out there |
| 20:03.30 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: Try aufs - some of the annoying things about unionfs are fixed there |
| 20:03.43 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: okay |
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| 20:04.15 | maxdoubt | enouf, i try that... but my new iso is different (i just cp -a from iso mount to new dir) from the orig iso is some very strange way (livecd) as it can't find certain directories |
| 20:04.23 | Flimzy | enouf: Adding the complexity of an emulation layer would actually probably require _more_ writes to the root media... but it's a good principle. We are going to be deploying Xen on our server cluster |
| 20:04.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm going to build a new computer. I intend to try out Dvorak on it. Is there a norwegian Dvorak layout in Debian Etch? And if so, are there any pictures that tell me how to move the keys around on the keyboard? |
| 20:05.03 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: That's not in the official Linux source tree at this point, is it? |
| 20:05.11 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: norwegian dvorak? |
| 20:05.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Well, I use a norwegian keyboard. I figured there should be a Norwegian dvorak layout... |
| 20:05.41 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: I don't think unionfs is either - maybe its in 2.6.20-mm? but its was not in 2.6.20-rc2 |
| 20:05.47 | enouf | maxdoubt: modprobe loop and loop mount it |
| 20:05.53 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: okay |
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| 20:06.41 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: perhaps there should, but I'vbe never heard of such a thing. |
| 20:06.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Hmm... |
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| 20:06.52 | enouf | maxdoubt: oh .. rereading it appears your edits or creation of new ISO is messed up |
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| 20:07.17 | Flimzy | Can I force Linux to never flush the filesystem buffer? |
| 20:07.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've heard Dvorak was a very quick way to type, but I'm not sure how to set it up considering I use a norwegian keyboard. |
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| 20:07.34 | Flimzy | Then as long as my RAM is greater than the size of the root fs, I would never commit a write to disk, right? |
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| 20:07.58 | xingu | Flimzy: sure; mount the fs ro |
| 20:08.02 | Flimzy | xingu; hehe |
| 20:08.08 | enouf | Flimzy: look into swapiness IIRC |
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| 20:08.18 | xingu | enouf: also laptop-mode |
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| 20:08.42 | enouf | hrm .. for power saving freq-scaling xingu > |
| 20:08.46 | enouf | ? |
| 20:08.57 | Flimzy | enouf: I won't be using any swap space on this machine |
| 20:09.07 | xingu | enouf: for biassing how and when writeout happens. |
| 20:09.14 | maxdoubt | enouf, i don't edit the iso at all, just cp -a into a new dir, looks exactly the same... and then mkisofs and it should work... i don't get what i could be doing wrong |
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| 20:09.35 | enouf | xingu: ahh .. where is that configured? and when? |
| 20:09.56 | xingu | enouf: ...src/linux/Documentation/laptop-mode.txt |
| 20:10.14 | enouf | xingu: thanks .. will see |
| 20:10.31 | enouf | maxdoubt: did you loop mount it then cp -a it? |
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| 20:11.03 | enouf | maxdoubt: paste you commands into a pastebin |
| 20:11.05 | maxdoubt | enouf, yes... but actually running diff between the 2 dirs, made me realize that it doesn't copy .something files in the root dir |
| 20:11.35 | maxdoubt | enouf, i cp -a sourdir/* to newdir |
| 20:11.43 | enouf | maxdoubt: are you IN the Dir when you issue the cp -a command? |
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| 20:11.52 | maxdoubt | enouf, no should i be? |
| 20:11.56 | enouf | maxdoubt: no |
| 20:11.59 | enouf | maxdoubt: paste you commands into a pastebin |
| 20:12.16 | enouf | meaning your mount commands as well |
| 20:13.39 | Flimzy | If I create an initrd, and then put /etc in its own .tgz on the CF media, I can probably get by with only overwriting the etc.tgz whenever a config change is made |
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| 20:14.06 | Flimzy | Thus eliminating the need to re-write a ~40mb initrd image when a 2-byte change is made |
| 20:14.47 | maxdoubt | enouf, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5009 |
| 20:15.17 | maxdoubt | enouf, but it doesn't copy .bash_profile and other .hidden files |
| 20:15.23 | xingu | Flimzy: the neat thing about using an initrd is that all you need to do is write a hook on your master system |
| 20:15.37 | xingu | Flimzy: the rest of the infrastructure is already present |
| 20:16.35 | Flimzy | I had an idea a few years ago to build a Debian-esque system to put the contents of each .deb in its own "live" .deb, for booting from an initrd (much like LRP's packaging system), to make it possible to run Debian off of ro boot media such as a CD |
| 20:16.40 | Flimzy | but I never got very far with that thought process :) |
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| 20:16.50 | xingu | Flimzy: you'll need to work out an elegant way to replace the initrd's "init" script, but again that's easy enough to do with a hook script |
| 20:17.49 | enouf | "mount -o loop tmp.iso image" <-- that look a bit weak :-P .. and "cp -Rp image/* source/KNOPPIX" <-- I see no -a in there |
| 20:18.04 | xingu | Flimzy: actually the other solution in this space is the livecd-esque idea; build your cf image as a torito image w/ initrd for the bios bootloader and otherwise an isofs |
| 20:18.19 | xingu | Flimzy: mindi from mondo/mindi can automate that. |
| 20:18.29 | enouf | even though the -Rp means Recursive and preserve IIRC |
| 20:19.36 | enouf | If you are NOT altering the ISo .. why don't you just cp -a the ISO ?? wtf? why mount it at all? maxdoubt |
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| 20:19.57 | enouf | I mean ... duh |
| 20:19.59 | n0mad | hi. im looking for a image-management solution like picasa but with a more sophisticated tagging-system. any suggestions ? f-spot is crap. using it right know. buggy to the nine ... |
| 20:20.19 | Flimzy | xingu: that would mean running mkisofs every time a config change was made.. is that better than running mkinitrd instead? |
| 20:20.24 | maxdoubt | enouf, because i'm actually trying to edit it, but couldn't get it to work... so i tried going through the commands not changing anything, to see why it wouldn't work... but can't figure it out |
| 20:20.36 | enouf | I offered for you to mount it .. cause I thought you needed to alteer it and recreate the ISo altered |
| 20:20.43 | enouf | maxdoubt: troll |
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| 20:21.18 | xingu | Flimzy: nah, you can still put your frozen configs on another partition I guess? |
| 20:21.26 | enouf | maxdoubt: I told you --> maxdoubt: oh .. rereading it appears your edits or creation of new ISO is messed up |
| 20:21.26 | xingu | Flimzy: as tar.gz or whatever |
| 20:21.51 | capiira | hmm what you people think, when will debian add gnome 2.16 to testing? |
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| 20:21.58 | xingu | !wir |
| 20:21.58 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:22.01 | xingu | hah! |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | capiira: it's partially there .. but etch is frozen |
| 20:22.21 | enouf | [15:03:41] <maxdoubt> enouf, i don't edit the iso at all, << what the fsck is that ... sheesh |
| 20:22.24 | capiira | ohh |
| 20:22.28 | maxdoubt | enouf, ok dude... chill out, you're not obligated to help |
| 20:22.34 | capiira | even with testing in source list? |
| 20:22.40 | enouf | maxdoubt: No ..you're fucking lying! |
| 20:22.43 | Flimzy | xingu: gotcha. |
| 20:22.46 | zinx | !ops [derya]!n=Lady_Han@88.243.219.243 free porno video spammer |
| 20:22.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: [derya]!n=Lady_Han@88.243.219.243 free porno video spammer |
| 20:22.57 | jelly | why is there no qotd164 ? |
| 20:23.20 | xingu | jelly: it's fallen into the twilight zone |
| 20:23.24 | capiira | abrotman is there a way to bypass that frozen status? |
| 20:23.31 | Flimzy | So now that I've had all this help with the CF media idea... let me back up a bit |
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| 20:23.57 | Flimzy | The idea is to build a Linux firewall that's as physically reliable as possible. Aside from removing the HD, are there any better ideas on how to accomplish this? |
| 20:24.17 | maxdoubt | enouf, i don't edit it, because i want to see why it would change if i'm not actually changing anything |
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| 20:24.32 | ^Timo^ | Hi i have a problem |
| 20:24.40 | maxdoubt | enouf, but nevermind, thx |
| 20:24.43 | ^Timo^ | when i mail to a mail adress |
| 20:24.55 | ^Timo^ | the logs say that i mail from bla@bla@domain.nl |
| 20:24.58 | xingu | Flimzy: go for a fanless design |
| 20:25.27 | xingu | Flimzy: passive cooling, good airflow, underclock memory bus and cpu |
| 20:25.29 | Flimzy | xingu: I might get some Via C3 processors to replace the Celerons we have. |
| 20:25.37 | abrotman | capiira: why? |
| 20:25.38 | ^Timo^ | But why does he mail from root |
| 20:25.41 | Flimzy | (which should not require cooling fans) |
| 20:25.43 | ^Timo^ | and dubble @ |
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| 20:25.56 | ^Timo^ | normaly it mails with bla@domain.nl |
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| 20:26.09 | ^Timo^ | what could be the problem |
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| 20:26.12 | Flimzy | xingu: Do you think using CF media is a reasonable replacement for a HD? |
| 20:26.14 | capiira | abrotman: because i'm not going to stay with stable anyway |
| 20:26.20 | ^Timo^ | why the double @ |
| 20:26.27 | xingu | Flimzy: reasonable enough, but usb sticks would probably be cheaper no? |
| 20:26.29 | capiira | i'm going to stay with testing |
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| 20:26.43 | Flimzy | xingu: Possibly. Although CF media and an IDE adaptor is pretty cheap, too. |
| 20:26.56 | Flimzy | I could look into booting from a USB stick |
| 20:27.06 | Flimzy | or even a netboot... but that adds another point of failure, which I don't like. |
| 20:27.21 | xingu | Flimzy: make sure your NIC is netconsole capable and enabled |
| 20:27.24 | Flimzy | I could also boot from CD, DVD, floppy, Zip drive... or anything else. |
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| 20:27.45 | Flimzy | I was just thinking that CF + IDE would be the least complex |
| 20:27.57 | Flimzy | and just as reliable as CF + USB, or any other option I thought of so far |
| 20:28.01 | jelly | what's netconsole? |
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| 20:28.06 | xingu | Flimzy: and as I was saying before, allow for "current" (ie warm) bootfs/rootfs, and, "standby" bootfs/rootfs |
| 20:28.32 | Flimzy | xingu: I guess I missed that discussion... what do you mean? |
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| 20:28.41 | xingu | Flimzy: being able to quickly rollback a change gone bung is a desirable goal |
| 20:28.45 | Flimzy | standby that boots, but doesn't enable network services? |
| 20:28.58 | Flimzy | or just a backup config incase I fubar something when I save a change? |
| 20:29.03 | xingu | Flimzy: nope; revert to last known good image, after an inband image update |
| 20:29.11 | Flimzy | okay, gotcha |
| 20:29.31 | Flimzy | If I use the initrd idea, then I could set the entire CF media to be /boot, right? (wow, that sounds cool. ha!) |
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| 20:30.14 | xingu | Flimzy: you can do some of that magic in the bootloader; at least lilo supported the idea of setting an image as preferred for the next boot only |
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| 20:30.17 | Flimzy | Is there a size limit to an initrd image? |
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| 20:30.30 | capiira | abrotman: you know a way to bypass frozen? |
| 20:30.33 | xingu | Flimzy: that way rollback is - just poweroff/poweron, and it goes back to the previous one. |
| 20:30.41 | Guerin | capiira: blowtorch |
| 20:30.42 | Flimzy | xingu: grub is pretty flexible with taht stuff, too... and grub supports a serial console (even if the BIOS doesn't) |
| 20:31.09 | xingu | Flimzy: you're going to find out I'd wager; I'd guess it's .5GiB or so though if there is one |
| 20:31.35 | Flimzy | I expect to be well under 100mb |
| 20:31.35 | xingu | Flimzy: my guess would be - if it can be loaded into memory, you're right. |
| 20:31.35 | Flimzy | hopefully under 30mb |
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| 20:32.32 | capiira | lol |
| 20:32.40 | xingu | jelly: netconsole is a tool for printk over network adapter |
| 20:32.47 | capiira | so there is no way? |
| 20:33.02 | xingu | jelly: it drives the NIC in polled mode directly; it's probably not as robust as serial console, but not too shabby |
| 20:33.14 | xingu | jelly: it's one-way though, just for kernel logging |
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| 20:33.25 | jelly | xingu: oh, not much use for me then, thanks |
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| 20:34.12 | Flimzy | An initrd for the entire rootfs has some interesting implications for failed dist-upgrades :) |
| 20:34.13 | jelly | xingu: does it work after an "Aiee killing interrupt handler" panic? :-) |
| 20:34.22 | xingu | jelly: sometimes |
| 20:34.28 | jelly | ooh |
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| 20:34.54 | xingu | jelly: there's literally no interrupt handler; it bashes the driver's bottom half directly |
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| 20:35.18 | rahul | aieee |
| 20:35.23 | capiira | or does a lenny testing already exist? |
| 20:35.59 | xingu | jelly: ...src/linux/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt |
| 20:36.12 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: There is busybox in /bin you could also build one how you want for /boot |
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| 20:36.12 | jelly | xingu: probably still better than making a screenshot of the oops with a camera |
| 20:36.24 | xingu | jelly: much, much better. :) |
| 20:36.45 | Renfield | Does anyone have jahshaka installed on debian who can help me get it installed? |
| 20:36.45 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: Busybox has loads of built in commands - run /bin/busybox ash (then help to see them) |
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| 20:37.25 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: Yeah, I'm familiar with busybox |
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| 20:37.26 | ^Timo^ | is there somoone that is able to help me installing my mail server |
| 20:37.29 | ^Timo^ | its not working |
| 20:37.41 | jelly | xingu: sounds interesting enough to take a look |
| 20:38.05 | ^Timo^ | i use dovecot and postfix |
| 20:38.13 | ^Timo^ | but it mails strange |
| 20:38.32 | ^Timo^ | its mailing from root@root@domain.net |
| 20:38.38 | ^Timo^ | can i fix that problem ? |
| 20:38.48 | xingu | jelly: if your drivers are NAPI then they're probably all ready to go; for Flimzy's application, it's worth dedicating a NIC to I'd say, from a field service perspective |
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| 20:40.41 | Slyboots_ | Hi, Im having some trouble with DVD playback, I've installed vlc/mplayer and the libdvdccs2 packages and while playback works, it stutters badly every 2 seconds are so |
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| 20:41.29 | valdyn | Slyboots_: 'mplayer -vo xv somemovie' <- try that command |
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| 20:42.56 | Slyboots_ | I cant seem to get DVD playback working in mplayer, it only loads a section of video then exits. Cant seem to get it to read the menu/dvd structure correctly |
| 20:43.17 | valdyn | Slyboots_: mplayer does not support dvd menus |
| 20:43.20 | enouf | Slyboots_: also check with hdparm that DMA is enabled and working .. hdparm -i /dev/hdX and note the *udma mode |
| 20:43.34 | Guerin | Slyboots_: mplayer doesn't always handle dvds well. Use vlc. |
| 20:44.00 | valdyn | Slyboots_: you have to pick a specific title in mplayer, like mplayer dvd://3 |
| 20:44.03 | DrthHmstr | sup |
| 20:44.08 | teekay_ | sup |
| 20:44.09 | Slyboots_ | Im trying VLC, but the playback is extremal choppy |
| 20:44.31 | Slyboots_ | And the drive is running at UDMA3 and 5.. which makes no sence |
| 20:44.41 | enouf | wtf? |
| 20:44.44 | rahul | mplayer `seq -f dvd://%g 1 10` |
| 20:44.48 | Slyboots_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.52 | Slyboots_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.58 | enouf | hehe |
| 20:44.58 | Slyboots_ | Woops, My bad |
| 20:45.00 | valdyn | Slyboots_: pick xv or xvideo in the preferences in vlc |
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| 20:45.02 | Slyboots_ | Misread that :P |
| 20:45.08 | rahul | or whatever range of titles you want to watch |
| 20:45.09 | Slyboots_ | UDMA4 |
| 20:45.17 | teekay_ | you tell me ;) |
| 20:45.20 | rahul | and then you can use < and > to jump from title to title |
| 20:45.43 | enouf | udma4 is fine Slyboots_ |
| 20:46.17 | SexyKen | Anyone know what this means |
| 20:46.17 | SexyKen | Building module: |
| 20:46.17 | SexyKen | cleaning build area....(bad exit status: 2) |
| 20:46.17 | SexyKen | make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp -C /lib/modules/2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp/build SUBDIRS=/var/lib/dkms/megaraid2/2.10.1/build modules....(bad exit status: 2) |
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| 20:46.28 | Renfield | Is it safe to run apt-get upgrade? With the -s I see that it wants to upgrade all but ten packages. |
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| 20:46.31 | Slyboots_ | Okay, Play back seems okay in Mplayer.. |
| 20:46.31 | enouf | what kibda crappy movie you got there? .. and who made(trancoded/demuxed) it |
| 20:46.40 | enouf | er kinda* |
| 20:46.47 | valdyn | Renfield: uname -r |
| 20:46.54 | SexyKen | Anyone? |
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| 20:47.14 | Renfield | valdyn 2.6.18.4. It's a custom built kernel. |
| 20:47.19 | ^Timo^ | are there here ppl that can help me |
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| 20:47.44 | valdyn | Renfield: did you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:47.44 | ^Timo^ | i don't know why postfix does strange emailing |
| 20:47.58 | Guerin | ^Timo^: define `strange' |
| 20:47.58 | Slyboots_ | Okay, it works fine in mplayer, but not VLC |
| 20:47.59 | ^Timo^ | it mail from bla@bla@domain |
| 20:48.06 | ^Timo^ | double @ |
| 20:48.17 | Renfield | valdyn I do so at various times, since plenty of packages that I want are not in stable nor testing. |
| 20:48.17 | ^Timo^ | i can show the error |
| 20:48.41 | Guerin | ^Timo^: user@host@domain? |
| 20:48.44 | valdyn | Renfield: nice mess |
| 20:48.56 | Renfield | valdyn: Why is this a mess? |
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| 20:49.03 | ^Timo^ | nope |
| 20:49.04 | squisher | Hi everyone, after a big dist-upgrade in testing, my /etc/init.d/ppp file is gone... I can see that the preinst file deletes it explicitly, but how is my pppd supposed to get started now? |
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| 20:49.25 | ^Timo^ | you see |
| 20:49.25 | valdyn | Renfield: i cant help you without looking deeper into your mess, which i have no time for, mixing stable and testing is evil |
| 20:49.44 | ^Timo^ | Guerin : you see .. |
| 20:49.54 | Guerin | ^Timo^: how can I see? |
| 20:50.01 | Guerin | ^Timo^: ask #postfix |
| 20:50.14 | ^Timo^ | its not a postfix problem |
| 20:50.18 | ^Timo^ | postfix working fine |
| 20:50.19 | Renfield | valdyn Oh, I don't think I'm mixing them. I followed the steps to move from stable to testing. So I guess I'm not using stable at all. |
| 20:50.31 | ^Timo^ | it came after the reinstall debian r4 |
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| 20:50.39 | ^Timo^ | from r3 to r4 |
| 20:50.47 | ^Timo^ | normaly it all workz fine |
| 20:51.01 | ^Timo^ | but now it gives errors |
| 20:51.08 | valdyn | Renfield: alright then, upgrading from stable to testing is supposed to upgrade all or nearly all packages |
| 20:51.12 | squisher | to answer my own question - it's right in ppp's README.Debian, but somehow I overlooked it last time I checked |
| 20:51.20 | Guerin | ^Timo^: configure it better |
| 20:51.46 | Guerin | ^Timo^: you chose to install a non-default MTA, I suggest you learn how to configure it |
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| 20:52.14 | Slyboots_ | So anyone any idea's why mplayer can run this DVD Fine, but VLC is choppy (Does not seem to matter what Video rendering mode I select) |
| 20:52.21 | enouf | sc4ttrbrain: got a /etc/init.d/pppd-dns file? |
| 20:52.32 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 20:52.39 | enouf | squisher: got a /etc/init.d/pppd-dns file? |
| 20:52.56 | sc4ttrbrain | ? |
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| 20:53.09 | Arsenick-TC2L | someone know how can i recover my ps2 mouse.. I had unplugged the mouse and I can't get it working again.. is it another way to recover my mouse then reboot ?? |
| 20:53.11 | enouf | sc4ttrbrain: apologies .. bad tab completion |
| 20:53.23 | squisher | enouf: yeah, as I said, I figured it out :-) But thanks! I just think an upgrade warning would have been appropriate, but well, too late now |
| 20:53.53 | enouf | squisher: apt-listchanges |
| 20:54.09 | squisher | enouf: that's new to me, thanks for the pointer and let me have a look |
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| 20:55.14 | enouf | squisher: /msg dpkg info apt-listchanges |
| 20:55.46 | enouf | squisher: /msg dpkg info apt-listchanges etch |
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| 20:56.07 | enouf | bah .. I'm going to lay down a while now .. |
| 20:57.14 | ice_cream | hey, does anyone know how to make irc script that shows what song you're currently listening to? |
| 20:57.25 | Guerin | ice_cream: please don't |
| 20:57.35 | ice_cream | i won't use it here (freenode) |
| 20:57.39 | Guerin | ice_cream: the world needs more retarded irc scripts like it needs a hold in the fucking head |
| 20:57.45 | Guerin | hole, not hold |
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| 20:58.00 | ice_cream | it's for another server where that sort of thing is popular |
| 20:58.09 | evilbulgarian | where is the proper place to add static routes during startup? |
| 20:58.11 | Guerin | ice_cream: i recommend copy/paste |
| 20:58.14 | vulture | ice_cream: Side note: IRC doesn't have scripts. Some IRC clients have scripts. |
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| 20:58.46 | Guerin | ice_cream: what irc client do you use? I'm sure there are already a plethora of fucktarded scripts for it. |
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| 20:59.03 | ice_cream | xchat.. supports tcl, python, perl |
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| 20:59.08 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: I tend to add them as an `up' command on the interface |
| 20:59.11 | rob11 | hi |
| 20:59.23 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: since there's no other convenient way |
| 20:59.32 | ice_cream | but i dont know how to communicate w/ BMP for example |
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| 20:59.40 | rob11 | someone know if java-package will be updated? |
| 20:59.57 | danielknobe | java suxx under debian atm |
| 21:00.07 | rob11 | nice |
| 21:00.07 | Guerin | java suxx in general |
| 21:00.12 | danielknobe | hehe true^^ |
| 21:00.24 | Guerin | once sun get their act together and GPL it it'll stop sucking quite so much |
| 21:00.29 | Flimzy | I could install 3 CF cards and do RAID5 across them! |
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| 21:00.35 | rob11 | i was not asking an opinion on java but only if the package will be updated :) |
| 21:00.36 | Guerin | Flimzy: you're insane. |
| 21:00.41 | ice_cream | ah, i think i found one online already.. but i wanted to really think about it for a while =/ |
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| 21:00.49 | Flimzy | Guerin: But that would be fun! :P |
| 21:00.55 | Guerin | !8ball will java-package be updated in debian? |
| 21:00.55 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 21:00.58 | vulture | Guerin: GPL? would seem rather unnecessary. I thought the current license change was enough to make Java distribution on things like Debian a bit easier. |
| 21:01.03 | mx-zoom | hey. is there any way to see apt-gets log? does it have one? |
| 21:01.06 | danielknobe | they don't work right atm, look in unstable to see for new packages |
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| 21:01.35 | Guerin | vulture: ... eh? Sun jre and some other stuff is nominally GPL, just source hasn't been released yet. |
| 21:01.47 | deb_noob | hello, is there a kde-updater? |
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| 21:01.54 | Guerin | deb_noob: no. |
| 21:01.55 | deb_noob | does kpackage get updates? |
| 21:02.00 | deb_noob | what should i use |
| 21:02.10 | deb_noob | or how can i update from terminal unsigned |
| 21:02.11 | vulture | Guerin: That's the recent change? Ah, sorry - I hadn't looked at the details. |
| 21:02.13 | deb_noob | or unverified |
| 21:02.33 | deb_noob | unauthenticated i mean |
| 21:02.41 | deb_noob | how can i update unauthenticatedly |
| 21:02.55 | deb_noob | apt-get update unauthentic? |
| 21:03.58 | Guerin | mx-zoom: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 21:04.16 | enouf | !confuse deb_noob |
| 21:04.16 | dpkg | No, how is your hamster today, deb_noob? shirts of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 21:04.35 | enouf | deb_noob: what are tiy trying to do/accomplish? |
| 21:04.43 | enouf | stiy/you |
| 21:05.08 | Guerin | deb_noob: /topic |
| 21:05.08 | deb_noob | i'm trying to do an update but it says that its unauthenticated |
| 21:05.11 | squisher | Guerin, danielknobe: didn't Sun release java under the GPL already? |
| 21:05.18 | Guerin | squisher: show me the code |
| 21:05.25 | deb_noob | war: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 21:05.36 | deb_noob | that's my error after apt-get update |
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| 21:05.52 | mx-zoom | Guerin, I am using testing |
| 21:05.54 | ice_cream | thx anyway |
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| 21:06.20 | enouf | deb_noob: a system update? ,, then see /topic .. /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:06.44 | Guerin | mx-zoom: i think dpkg has logs; in any case, use aptitude instead of apt-get and you'll have things logged automatically |
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| 21:06.50 | enouf | I see you error .. that's an apt-key and apt-debian-archive error |
| 21:07.06 | mx-zoom | Guerin, any idea where those logs might be? :P |
| 21:07.06 | darkcmd | Hello I am using KDE, with arts, and I have selected ALSA as my sound device, my sound card is working because ESD works. It gives me this error in kcontrol for the sound system "device: default can't be opened for playback (Permission denied)" |
| 21:07.23 | darkcmd | Does anyone know how I can fix this, I am unsure what permissions to set, I suspect it is this. |
| 21:07.31 | cuse | Hi! How can I disabled that "pdiff feature" of APT? |
| 21:07.33 | enouf | bah ..sorry s/apt-debian-archive/debian-archive-keyring |
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| 21:07.44 | squisher | Guerin: well, hmm, not so sure but looking at http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp it does say explicitly GPL, and there is a repository to browse on the same site |
| 21:07.48 | deb_noob | enouf: how do I correct it? |
| 21:07.48 | Guerin | !logs |
| 21:07.49 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 21:07.57 | Cyis | squisher: no exactly... Sun released java under a new license but it's still not considered free according to the DFSG |
| 21:08.06 | Guerin | squisher: yeh, last I checked it wasn't all there |
| 21:08.09 | darkcmd | Sun plans to use the GPL I hear. |
| 21:08.29 | Guerin | Cyis: is this a transitory thing before the GPL stage? |
| 21:08.44 | enouf | !tell deb_noob about selftell |
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| 21:09.08 | enouf | !tell deb_noob about msg the bot |
| 21:09.22 | danielknobe | i see filezilla in the testing archiv. N1... but it is Beta 2. I went to the sourceforgepage to get the source for beta 4 and now I want to compile it... There are so many packages missing, like wxwidgets 2.8 or libgnutls >= 1.5.4 hope they will add them to etch release... cause i hate to rally packages^^ |
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| 21:10.18 | Guerin | ah, here it is: Will you license the entire JDK under this method when you open-source the rest of the code base? A: Yes. |
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| 21:10.47 | squisher | Cyis: I do think it is GPL, for the most part at least (could only find a German article: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/result.xhtml?url=/newsticker/meldung/80962&words=Java%20GPL) |
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| 21:10.55 | Cyis | Guerin: I can't recall... right now the sun-java5-{jdk,jre} packages are in non-free because of the Operating System Distributor License |
| 21:11.12 | Guerin | mm |
| 21:11.42 | teclo- | Hi there. On Debian "etch", when doing apt-get install swi-prolog, I get: Package swi-prolog is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package swi-prolog has no installation candidate ... how can I fix this ? |
| 21:11.42 | OleMoudi | how can I see from the shell the amount of bandwidth a network interface is currently using |
| 21:11.58 | Guerin | OleMoudi: iptraf, nettop, etc |
| 21:12.27 | Guerin | teclo-: it means you have a broken or outdated repo list |
| 21:12.43 | OleMoudi | Guerin, I mean, is there any way to see it from /proc or something like that. I usually use ethstatus but it is not installed in the machine |
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| 21:13.11 | teclo- | Guerin: but... I used a correct sources.list... |
| 21:13.20 | teclo- | Guerin: and I got the same problme on two diffirent etch machines |
| 21:13.37 | teclo- | deb http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 21:13.38 | teclo- | deb-src http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 21:13.53 | enouf | OleMoudi: is ifconfig <interface> good enough? |
| 21:14.05 | Guerin | teclo-: ok, etch may be broken. |
| 21:14.12 | squisher | google-translated link about the java GPL announcement: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fresult.xhtml%3Furl%3D%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2F80962%26words%3DJava%2520GPL&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 21:14.16 | Guerin | !why is swi-prolog not in testing? |
| 21:14.17 | dpkg | swi-prolog is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=swi-prolog |
| 21:14.23 | enouf | OleMoudi: it get's that info somehwerre within /proc/net/* or similar |
| 21:14.23 | Guerin | teclo-: ↑ |
| 21:14.31 | Guerin | Cyis: that's quite explicitly non-free. |
| 21:14.41 | teclo- | Guerin: thank you |
| 21:14.59 | OleMoudi | enouf, that does not show live bandwidth stats, and yeah, I am lookin in there, no luck as of yet |
| 21:15.00 | danielknobe | make install |
| 21:15.04 | danielknobe | sry wrong window |
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| 21:15.16 | Cyis | Guerin: yep... |
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| 21:16.49 | Guerin | ah, MySql again earn my hate and enmity |
| 21:17.02 | enouf | OleMoudi: got ntop installed? or use Guerin's suggestions |
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| 21:17.15 | Flash_ | Guerin, it's funny how often it does that to me too. |
| 21:17.32 | Cyis | squisher: that may be Sun's intent but it is currently most definately not being released under GPL |
| 21:18.22 | darkcmd | What should the permissions of /dev/dsp be? |
| 21:18.27 | deb_noob | enouf: I'm still confused how to fix this problem |
| 21:18.35 | Guerin | deb_noob: depends what you want |
| 21:18.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:18.41 | Guerin | darkcmd: depends what you want |
| 21:18.43 | deb_noob | I just wan't to update |
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| 21:18.54 | danielknobe | how can I modifying my LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable |
| 21:18.58 | darkcmd | I want users to be able to play sound via alsa |
| 21:19.02 | janttsu | In etch, cd is not automounted to /media/cdrom.. I have autofs installed.. what's the trouble? |
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| 21:19.20 | Guerin | darkcmd: all users? |
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| 21:19.45 | danielknobe | doe's somebody know? |
| 21:20.08 | creature | Hello. This is probably slightly off-topic, but how can I find out what font GTK is using to draw interface components etc? |
| 21:20.34 | sam_uk | on a scale of 1/10 how stupid would it be to install libc6 from experimental repo? ie is it used by many other packages? |
| 21:20.48 | Guerin | sam_uk: 10 |
| 21:20.51 | darkcmd | Guerin: yes |
| 21:20.59 | danielknobe | how can I modifying my LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable |
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| 21:21.02 | Guerin | darkcmd: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio [...] /dev/dsp0 # for alsa |
| 21:21.24 | creature | sam_uk: That made me laugh really hard. Thank you. |
| 21:21.27 | Guerin | sam_uk: without libc6, nothing written in c will work. That means your shell, init, tools like ls and mv and login. |
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| 21:21.35 | sam_uk | ok glad i asked :) |
| 21:21.47 | Guerin | sam_uk: if you have to ask, experimental is not for you. |
| 21:21.59 | creature | sam_uk: It's used by pretty much all packages. |
| 21:22.11 | sam_uk | xserver-xgl: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-9 is to be installed |
| 21:22.37 | sam_uk | i guess i have to give up on xgl? |
| 21:22.47 | Guerin | sam_uk: /msg dpkg simple sid backport; apply the same principle for a simple experimental backport if you think you're 'ard enough |
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| 21:23.20 | jerb | hi |
| 21:23.21 | Guerin | but #debian will be cruelly oblivious to your whimpers for pity |
| 21:23.49 | squisher_ | Cyis: wow, I am suprised about that. I really thought they had come through. Admittedly, I had not followed it asides from the mainstream news announcements - which really convey that they did in fact release it as such. |
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| 21:24.10 | Guerin | sam_uk: these things take time. Closed-source proprietary software might contain stuff under NDA or license which has to be re-implemented, and might just be downright embarrasing to show :) |
| 21:24.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:24.16 | Guerin | squisher_: ↑ |
| 21:24.42 | jerb | sorry about the dumbass question but here it is; kernel 2.6.8 is sarge ? |
| 21:24.48 | sam_uk | is there a older xserver-xgl package i could install? |
| 21:24.50 | Guerin | jerb: 1. |
| 21:25.02 | blondie | jerb: no, sarge is more than a kernel |
| 21:25.02 | Guerin | sam_uk: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:25.03 | squisher_ | Guerin: that's certainly true. |
| 21:25.54 | Guerin | the forst issue (license and NDA) is the nominal reason nvidia won't free their driver |
| 21:25.57 | jerb | I know but would 2.6.8 be sarge 3.1 ? |
| 21:26.21 | Guerin | SGI would sue them into oblivion |
| 21:26.35 | Guerin | jerb: yes, 2.6.8 is the kernel which shipped with sarge. |
| 21:26.52 | blondie | s/the/a/ |
| 21:26.59 | sam_uk | Guerin could you elaborate on /msg ? sorry i dont get it.. |
| 21:27.08 | jerb | Thanks alot. just trying to find the right rescue disk to boot from |
| 21:27.18 | Guerin | sam_uk: in your irc client, type /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:27.33 | Guerin | blondie: yeh |
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| 21:28.55 | dn4 | ok this is weird I updated my system and now my mouse double clicks everything when I single click |
| 21:29.03 | dn4 | anyone know how to stop this annoying as hell feature |
| 21:29.11 | blondie | dn4: try half-clicking |
| 21:29.25 | azeem | *snort* |
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| 21:30.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:30.13 | RvGaTe | For some reason i am unable to find the correct modeline for xorg for my Syncmaster 203B monitor (1400x1050, 60hz)... i used calculaters/tools, but none worked correctly, either im doing something wrong, or this screen is just fucked up... |
| 21:30.35 | dn4 | blondie, yeah that works sometimes I have to be super sneaky on how I click anything, its lame, superl ame, how do I get ride of this |
| 21:30.46 | blondie | dn4: dunno I have that problem in wine |
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| 21:31.38 | Guerin | RvGaTe: the trick is matching the vertical/horizontal refresh. Try setting one very narrow (say vertical to 55-65) and the other very wide |
| 21:32.00 | azeem | that's not a modeline |
| 21:32.04 | Guerin | nope |
| 21:32.06 | Guerin | sure ain't |
| 21:32.21 | azeem | apparently RvGaTe needs to go the old-skool/tough way |
| 21:32.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:32.31 | RvGaTe | well... |
| 21:32.36 | RvGaTe | if there is an easyer way |
| 21:32.41 | RvGaTe | i would be glad to know :P |
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| 21:32.52 | azeem | RvGaTe: the easier way would be to just configure your horizontal/vertical refresh rates |
| 21:33.02 | azeem | and pick an appropriate setting |
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| 21:33.34 | azeem | RvGaTe: plus, are you sure you want 60Hz horizontal? |
| 21:33.39 | azeem | that's pretty low |
| 21:33.41 | Guerin | mm, caphuso wrote a modeline to allow his screen to be just wide enough for two xterms side-by-side - 1296xsomething, ISTR |
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| 21:33.51 | dn4 | blondie, I thought the problem was in the xorg configurations |
| 21:33.58 | azeem | Guerin: one can resize xterms... |
| 21:33.58 | dn4 | any ideas what might cause this issue? |
| 21:34.04 | Guerin | well, 60 would normally be a vertical, no |
| 21:34.11 | RvGaTe | azeem, its the max, the other syncmaster 203b (on dvi) got detected on 60hz |
| 21:34.13 | Guerin | azeem: he wanted them to be a particular size |
| 21:34.18 | azeem | whatever, I didn't have to deal with this for years |
| 21:34.30 | azeem | Guerin: yeah, but it's stupid when your eyes bleed after a while |
| 21:34.44 | azeem | RvGaTe: is this an LCD? |
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| 21:35.05 | RvGaTe | azeem, yes, 20" lcd |
| 21:35.10 | azeem | eh |
| 21:35.17 | azeem | then it should just work[tm] |
| 21:35.24 | azeem | no need to dig out documentation from the 80s |
| 21:35.24 | Guerin | RvGaTe: usually the idea is to sacrifice some resolution for some refresh - I'm happier in 1152x864x75 than in 1400x1050x60 |
| 21:35.35 | azeem | refresh doesn't matter for LCD |
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| 21:35.37 | Guerin | oh, it's a lcd |
| 21:35.40 | Guerin | that makes it all better |
| 21:35.46 | RvGaTe | azeem, thats the whole point, it doesn't work |
| 21:35.52 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 21:35.57 | azeem | RvGaTe: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 21:36.12 | RvGaTe | azeem, ont even think about directing me to a manual :P |
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| 21:36.52 | RvGaTe | im having this problem since i had first installed ubuntu.. wich was about 6 months ago |
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| 21:37.09 | RvGaTe | now i stepped over to debian, and what do you guess... the same problem |
| 21:37.10 | azeem | RvGaTe: what resolution are you running right now? |
| 21:37.16 | thelostbutler | hello folks i am trying to implement a serial-console. the problem is that i can see the system go through bios all the uptil the kernel loads, but i can't see the boot process itself, finally i presented with the login console. i can't see the shutdown process either. i have enabled the required serial options in the kernel. . would appreciate some help |
| 21:37.25 | peterS | RvGaTe: try the 'read-edid' package - install that, then run 'get-edid | parse-edid'. if your video card can do EDID (monitor plug-n-play), that should give you specs and possibly modelines |
| 21:37.28 | RvGaTe | 1400x1050, but its all fuzzy and not alligned correctly |
| 21:37.30 | maelcum_ | hi |
| 21:37.57 | azeem | RvGaTe: eh, it's already the resolution you want? |
| 21:38.05 | maelcum_ | just checking out the new installer and i'm curious what Standard system means ist something like the old base install? |
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| 21:38.23 | azeem | maelcum_: yeah |
| 21:38.37 | RvGaTe | azeem, yes, but its not alligned correctly, and it cant be fixed with the "auto" button or the monitor settings |
| 21:38.46 | maelcum_ | ok thanks azeem |
| 21:39.01 | RvGaTe | peterS, what if i have a dual screen setup... ? |
| 21:39.06 | azeem | RvGaTe: do you? |
| 21:39.11 | RvGaTe | yes |
| 21:39.17 | azeem | why didn't you say? |
| 21:39.23 | peterS | RvGaTe: not sure what it does in that case. it might only read the primary monitor, so make sure the one you care about is the primary one |
| 21:39.37 | azeem | anyway, I'm off |
| 21:39.38 | RvGaTe | 2x syncmaster 203b, the left one on VGA (wich is not alligned correctly), and the right one on dvi (works perfect) |
| 21:40.16 | azeem | did you try to switch the two? |
| 21:40.31 | RvGaTe | yes, and it will just move the problem to the other monitor |
| 21:40.49 | azeem | RvGaTe: did you try to select a slightly lower resolution? |
| 21:40.52 | azeem | is the display fine then? |
| 21:41.03 | RvGaTe | azeem, yes, i only have the problem on 1400x1050 |
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| 21:41.17 | azeem | RvGaTe: maybe buy a better graphics card then |
| 21:41.18 | azeem | dunno |
| 21:41.43 | RvGaTe | azeem, i know this can be fixed.. would be stupid if its impossible |
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| 21:42.01 | azeem | RvGaTe: what if you only have one monitor on the VGA? |
| 21:42.05 | peterS | did get-edid | parse-edid give any useful information? strange that you didn't mention trying it |
| 21:42.06 | azeem | i.e. remove the DVI one |
| 21:42.09 | RvGaTe | azeem, same |
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| 21:42.25 | illution | i want to download debian 4 final plz guive me the link because i dont find it in the net |
| 21:42.29 | RvGaTe | peterS, let me pastebin it |
| 21:42.34 | azeem | illution: it's not released yet |
| 21:42.47 | pickcoder | !etch |
| 21:42.47 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 21:42.54 | illution | aha then hen is relase , |
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| 21:43.01 | azeem | illution: soon |
| 21:43.08 | azeem | no exact date has been set yet |
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| 21:43.36 | RvGaTe | peterS, http://pastebin.com/851313 |
| 21:43.37 | illution | azeem u are arabic |
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| 21:44.34 | peterS | RvGaTe: 4095x4095 is clearly wrong, apparently there's a bug in parse-edid somewhere |
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| 21:44.43 | pickcoder | heh.. 4095 |
| 21:45.04 | pickcoder | maybe on a 60" plasma it'd be visible |
| 21:45.10 | bgat | does anyone know why the 2.6.18 kernel is telling me this: powernow-k8: Processor cpuid 642 not supported |
| 21:45.12 | RvGaTe | peterS, so thats the info that is readed from the monitor's chip? |
| 21:45.32 | RvGaTe | *memory |
| 21:45.36 | peterS | RvGaTe: that's it, but if you look at the error messages earlier it appears that it didn't succeed. makes me wonder if you've got a bad VGA cable or something |
| 21:45.53 | azeem | illution: no |
| 21:46.14 | RvGaTe | peterS, i have a dual boot aswell, windows and debian... in windows everything gets detected fine... vga and dvi |
| 21:46.32 | unlink | lighttpd configuration is so sexy |
| 21:46.34 | peterS | RvGaTe: and windows can drive the vga monitor properly? |
| 21:46.51 | RvGaTe | peterS, yes, and auto adjust on the monitor works aswell |
| 21:47.14 | peterS | RvGaTe: wtf is "WinFast"? that's what your graphics chip says it is. I've never heard of it. |
| 21:47.18 | pickcoder | bgat: what processor do you have? |
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| 21:47.45 | ArRiEsP17 | olap |
| 21:48.22 | bgat | pickcoder: from proc/cpuinfo: AughenticAMD cpu family 6 model 4 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor stepping 2 900 MHz |
| 21:48.32 | bgat | s/gh/th :) |
| 21:48.36 | RvGaTe | peterS, i can remember displaying winfast on the gfx-card box... just dont have the box anymore... |
| 21:48.53 | peterS | RvGaTe: ahh - so that's some off-brand card with an nvidia chip or something on it? |
| 21:49.15 | deb_noob | are there any kde repositories I could add to my sources.list? |
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| 21:49.32 | deb_noob | or any repositories with kde window decorations |
| 21:49.40 | RvGaTe | peterS, probably |
| 21:50.34 | RvGaTe | peterS, http://pastebin.com/851313 |
| 21:50.52 | RvGaTe | peterS, http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_graphic/overview.asp?lineid=1&pronameid=38 |
| 21:51.15 | peterS | RvGaTe: so anyway. what I would do at this point is run 'xvidtune', which is a really unfriendly app using an old widget style (Athena) which lets you adjust modelines dynamically. if you turn on the 'auto' button, it adjusts the modelines in real time as you move the sliders |
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| 21:51.35 | peterS | RvGaTe: one thing to remember: athena widget scrollbars are dragged with the _middle_ mouse button |
| 21:51.45 | bgat | pickcoder: any ideas? |
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| 21:52.05 | peterS | RvGaTe: then when you hit 'save' or whatever, it spits out the current modeline, suitable for cutting and pasting |
| 21:53.24 | RvGaTe | peterS, probably works with 1 display only |
| 21:53.31 | peterS | RvGaTe: for starters I'd probably try to lower the dot clock by moving the sync, fp and bp toward 0 while keeping the vertical refresh at 60. not sure if this is possible in xvidtune, come to think of it |
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| 21:53.52 | peterS | RvGaTe: xvidtune knows about multiple monitors and can operate on each one independently, if I remember correctly |
| 21:54.34 | pickcoder | bgat: I dunno if the K7 supports powernow |
| 21:54.45 | pickcoder | bgat: regardless, your chip is not a K8 |
| 21:54.53 | pickcoder | and it's loading the k8 powernow module |
| 21:55.53 | RvGaTe | peterS, there is no option at all to select the monitor... :S |
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| 21:56.10 | peterS | RvGaTe: right, I'm pretty sure it just uses whichever monitor it's running on physically |
| 21:56.27 | pickcoder | bgat: paste your lsmod on a pastebin |
| 21:56.32 | bgat | Good point. In the cpu-freq docs, it says that Athlon is supported by the powernow-k8 code. So K7 != Athlon? |
| 21:56.59 | peterS | RvGaTe: when I said 'fp, bp, sync' I mean: fp (front porch) is HSyncStart-HDisplay. sync is HSyncEnd-HSyncStart. bp (back porch) is HTotal-HSyncEnd. and the vertical has those 3 parameters too. |
| 21:57.02 | RvGaTe | peterS, it does give me a Hdisplay and Vdisplay resolution... wich is 2800x1050... it probably only the 2 as 1 |
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| 21:57.28 | peterS | RvGaTe: oh... possibly it won't be able to adjust them then. I haven't tried xvidtune on a multi-monitor setup |
| 21:57.33 | RvGaTe | *only=seeing |
| 21:57.37 | peterS | RvGaTe: if you hit 'Show', what modeline does it spit out? |
| 21:57.50 | RvGaTe | "2800x1050" 123.91 2800 1464 1616 1864 1050 1050 1052 1089 +hsync +vsync |
| 21:58.27 | peterS | RvGaTe: ha. notice the numbers 1464 1616 1864 correspond to 1400 horizontal. it's just confused about the HDisplay number. |
| 21:58.44 | k-s | there is any way to generate -dbg package for libraries with DH_COMPAT=4? |
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| 21:58.56 | peterS | RvGaTe: so go ahead and try using it, but if it works and you're satisfied, remember to replace the 2800 with 1400 in the modeline you actually use |
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| 21:59.53 | RvGaTe | peterS, maybe: if i disconnect the vga monitor, disable dual screen, grab the modelines then... and use those modelines for dual screen? |
| 21:59.58 | pickcoder | bgat: yes.. and no.. the K7 is Athlon and Athlon XP.. the next gen chips are K8 (Athlon X2, 64, etc) |
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| 22:00.10 | peterS | RvGaTe: or - just disable xinerama and it will probably come to its senses |
| 22:00.26 | RvGaTe | peterS, im using twinview |
| 22:00.29 | bgat | pickcoder: aah. |
| 22:00.33 | k-s | I have a package with autotools support, but no luck using DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS:=--dbg-package=libmyprj-dbg |
| 22:00.42 | peterS | RvGaTe: oh so you're also using some proprietary graphics driver. I have no idea than |
| 22:00.46 | peterS | then |
| 22:00.58 | pickcoder | bgat: you should be able to change the powernow module somewhere, but I dunno where |
| 22:01.02 | RvGaTe | peterS, yup.. nvidia drivers |
| 22:01.07 | stoned | hi |
| 22:01.31 | pickcoder | when does that message show up in dmesg? |
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| 22:01.40 | stoned | RvGaTe, twinview has a problem. When you use it, your total refresh rates drop down to 50~ish Hz |
| 22:01.56 | stoned | RvGaTe, without twinview, but two monitors config in X plus xinerama enabled |
| 22:02.08 | stoned | each monitor can do its full refresh rate at that resolution |
| 22:02.15 | stoned | RvGaTe, just a tip :) |
| 22:02.52 | peterS | RvGaTe: well, I'm using the free matrox driver with my G450 in dual-screen mode and xvidtune is not at all confused about the resolution - it sees 1600x1200 rather than 3200x1200. and, hmmm, that's even with xinerama enabled |
| 22:03.17 | RvGaTe | brb, restarting x |
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| 22:03.25 | bgat | pickcoder: I've got all of the powernow modules statically linked. :) |
| 22:03.37 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:03.47 | pickcoder | well you can try the K7 module first |
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| 22:04.10 | RvGaTe | back |
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| 22:04.46 | pickcoder | if you get "no powersaving features" after that, then you'll have to make sure ACPI is enabled and is working. If you still get errors with powernow, then you'll have to find another power saving option. There's a couple of sites around with alternatives. |
| 22:05.12 | bgat | pickcoder: according to wikipedia, mine's an Athlon 900, a.k.a "Athlon Classic". |
| 22:05.22 | pickcoder | bgat: Barton core |
| 22:05.30 | pickcoder | they used the same core for most of the K7 series |
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| 22:05.42 | pickcoder | if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:05.52 | Thaiger | How do I find out why a package is being held back from an upgrade? |
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| 22:07.49 | SexyKen | Anyone wanna help with this |
| 22:07.50 | SexyKen | http://pastebin.ca/305637 |
| 22:08.10 | RvGaTe | peterS, im clueless... :(' |
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| 22:08.26 | teledyn | so when you reboot the machine, isn't it supposed to umount all mount? but why do i see "Starting XFS recovery... " ? |
| 22:08.56 | Guerin | SexyKen: hire a kernel hacker to fix the module |
| 22:08.56 | peterS | RvGaTe: you disabled twinview now and are using your 2 monitors in like xinerama mode now? |
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| 22:09.35 | RvGaTe | peterS, no... hold on |
| 22:09.48 | valdyn | teledyn: and the problem is just that message? |
| 22:09.49 | robas | do anyone here already tried to configure the realtek pci-E 8111/8169 NIC ?? |
| 22:09.51 | RvGaTe | no poking! |
| 22:09.55 | stoned | RvGaTe, stop using twinview |
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| 22:10.04 | teledyn | valdyn: yes in syslog after restart |
| 22:10.16 | teledyn | valdyn: this was for an externally mounted drive |
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| 22:10.24 | RvGaTe | stoned, can xinerama have glx acceleration on both monitors ? |
| 22:10.28 | peterS | stoned: if twinview exposes a severe bandwidth limitation such as what you describe, why would anyone use it? |
| 22:10.32 | valdyn | teledyn: does that message show aswell if you unmount it manually? |
| 22:10.43 | factotum | porn |
| 22:10.47 | teledyn | valdyn: i'll have to test... |
| 22:11.14 | teledyn | valdyn: give me a few minutes and i'll do it |
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| 22:11.16 | stoned | peterS, this is what I experience, and everywhere I've looked on my systems I've found it to be true |
| 22:11.49 | atula | !etch |
| 22:11.49 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 22:11.57 | valdyn | Thaiger: run 'apt-get install <that package> and you should see |
| 22:11.57 | stoned | peterS, I've tested it with and without, and the difference is clear |
| 22:12.12 | valdyn | !held back |
| 22:12.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 22:12.32 | atula | I am currently running sarge with backports |
| 22:12.57 | atula | when I upgrade to etch.. will a lot of the backports break or will they work harmoniously with apt-get update? |
| 22:13.28 | valdyn | atula: the backports should be replaced with etch versions, those that do not, may very well break |
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| 22:14.17 | peterS | stoned: so I guess twinview uses a single ramdac or something rather than separate ones for each head? and the ramdac has a bandwidth limit not sufficient to drive two monitors at decent res/refresh. that would explain it. |
| 22:14.24 | atula | valdyn, *sigh... I hope it won't break. I should just take out the backports line in apt sourcelist? |
| 22:14.33 | SexyKen | Anyone wanna help with this |
| 22:14.34 | SexyKen | http://pastebin.ca/305637 |
| 22:14.38 | stoned | peterS, bingo. |
| 22:14.47 | valdyn | atula: you should take it out in any case, that doesnt mean nothing will break though |
| 22:14.59 | valdyn | atula: worst case you have to manually remove backported packages |
| 22:15.17 | atula | valdyn, with "apt-get --purge remove package"? |
| 22:15.26 | atula | valdyn, or will it be something more scary? |
| 22:15.28 | RvGaTe | peterS, maybe this helps ;) http://www.graficall.nl/pdf/4777.pdf |
| 22:15.32 | danielknobe | it will run well i think |
| 22:15.35 | valdyn | atula: nope |
| 22:16.01 | stoned | peterS, in twinview I get 2880x1200 @ 51Hz. On dual config + Xinerama I get 1600x1200 @ 75Hz on monitor A, and 1280x1024 @ 75Hz on monitor B. |
| 22:16.30 | stoned | no problems with window managers at all, and everything is much much smoother |
| 22:16.47 | valdyn | atula: you're probably safe as long as backported packages still have a lower versoin than etch packages |
| 22:17.25 | stoned | peterS, I don't fully know the technical differences though of why, but what you said seems to make sense |
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| 22:17.37 | peterS | RvGaTe: so I assume you've already set HorizSync "31-81" VertRefresh "50-75" in the XF86Config-4 file in the "Monitor" sections? |
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| 22:17.56 | atula | valdyn, oh. when I upgrade from sarge to etch... what will happen to the xfree86? |
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| 22:18.17 | valdyn | atula: it will go away and be replaced by xorg |
| 22:18.35 | peterS | RvGaTe: (it is HorizSync that matters there - you aren't trying to exceed the range of vertical refresh anyway) |
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| 22:18.41 | atula | valdyn, oh man... I am running dual monitor now.. I hope nothing bad will happen |
| 22:18.55 | atula | valdyn, at work too lol... just REALLY bored... |
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| 22:19.34 | heyh0 | how do you give a chroot access to /dev/null if the chroot is on another volume? |
| 22:19.35 | valdyn | atula: xfree -> xorg isnt trivial ( for the package maintainers ), that's all i know, i dont know current reliability of that upgrade |
| 22:19.59 | valdyn | !confuse heyh0 |
| 22:19.59 | dpkg | No, them was my bacon yesterday, heyh0? lederhosen of the monarchy of tibet with extra ham |
| 22:20.14 | peterS | heyh0: bind-mount /dev, I suppose, or create a new /dev inside the chroot and cd to that directory and 'MAKEDEV null' |
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| 22:20.32 | teledyn | valdyn: guess it was just a quirk |
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| 22:21.51 | valdyn | heyh0: ( from the main root ): 'mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev' |
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| 22:23.02 | heyh0 | dpkg: I guess you need a sense of humour in this business. thanks |
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| 22:23.04 | Thaiger | valdyn: Thanks that seemed to work! |
| 22:23.18 | unsucht | is someone here familier with dvr servers |
| 22:23.25 | RvGaTe | peterS, thats that i did now... now it gets completely non-alligned |
| 22:23.29 | unsucht | cctv |
| 22:23.31 | jelly | that'll, of course give the access to the whole /dev which might be unadvisable... why not only create that one device in chroot? |
| 22:23.44 | valdyn | Thaiger: for completetion yoiu should repeat this for anything you have mounted inside /dev too, like /dev/shm, see 'df -a' |
| 22:23.55 | peterS | RvGaTe: so now see whether xvidtune can do anything interesting |
| 22:24.14 | valdyn | Thaiger: ops, wrong target |
| 22:24.21 | unsucht | i would like to switch my current ms dvr server to debian and i am wondering if it is possible? |
| 22:24.34 | heyh0 | jelly: there already is a whole /dev structure in the chroot. but none of it is connected to anything |
| 22:24.35 | teledyn | anyone know, can aptitude do something like apt-get build-dep? |
| 22:24.49 | RvGaTe | peterS, wont do anything... |
| 22:24.54 | valdyn | heyh0: silly, its connected |
| 22:25.00 | peterS | RvGaTe: even when you hit 'apply'? |
| 22:25.43 | jelly | heyh0: huh? /dev/null is always the same thing |
| 22:25.43 | peterS | or 'test'? |
| 22:25.44 | valdyn | heyh0: you cant 'choose' if a device node is connected |
| 22:25.44 | RvGaTe | peterS, " Sorry: you have requested a mode-line that is not possible or not supported by your hardware configuration" |
| 22:25.44 | heyh0 | valdyn: the chroot is another whole debian system, but |
| 22:25.44 | RvGaTe | peterS, even when i "fetch" and "apply" |
| 22:25.47 | peterS | RvGaTe: I wonder wtf that means. it can spit out your current modeline when you hit 'show', though, right/ |
| 22:25.48 | heyh0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.05 | valdyn | heyh0: a device node links to the device, NO MATTER where that node is, /home/null works the same |
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| 22:26.11 | RvGaTe | peterS, "2800x1050" 155.80 2800 1464 1784 1912 1050 1056 1068 1090 +hsync +vsync |
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| 22:26.34 | peterS | RvGaTe: it still thinks 2800 instead of 1400, hmm. odd that my dual-monitor setup does not, even though I use xinerama |
| 22:26.47 | jelly | heyh0: if there's a char device with major 1 and minor 3, it should work as /dev/null regardless of its name or path |
| 22:27.19 | peterS | RvGaTe: also, I notice you're running at 74.7 Hz vertical. is that really what you want? |
| 22:27.33 | _presto_ | hi all |
| 22:27.50 | _presto_ | # ip rule list don't show anythin!!! =x |
| 22:28.02 | RvGaTe | peterS, i have no idea if that is correct, its all getting confusing now |
| 22:28.13 | _presto_ | any tip?? |
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| 22:28.35 | peterS | RvGaTe: try the same modeline you just pasted, with two changes: (1) change the '2800's to '1400'. (2) change the 155.80 MHz to 125.05 MHz. |
| 22:28.48 | peterS | RvGaTe: that will be 60 Hz instead of 75 Hz. |
| 22:29.03 | RvGaTe | peterS, could you paste them for me? i had to restart x a few times so i lost them |
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| 22:29.22 | peterS | "1400x1050" 125.05 1400 1464 1784 1912 1050 1056 1068 1090 +hsync +vsync |
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| 22:29.25 | peterS | RvGaTe: like that |
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| 22:30.01 | RvGaTe | peterS, keeping the vertrefresh and horizsync right? |
| 22:30.05 | peterS | RvGaTe: the 155.80 -> 125.05 is known as the "dot clock", how many million pixels are displayed per second |
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| 22:30.36 | peterS | RvGaTe: yes, HorizSync and VertRefresh should be those ranges you saw in the PDF: 31-81 kHz for horizontal, 50-75 Hz for vertical |
| 22:31.31 | RvGaTe | ok |
| 22:31.41 | peterS | any luck on the modeline? |
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| 22:32.33 | RvGaTe | peterS, trying to look for " blurrynes" the resolution looks fine, and the allignment aswell |
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| 22:32.46 | peterS | RvGaTe: so pushing it down to 60 Hz seems to have helped? |
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| 22:33.03 | RvGaTe | peterS, yup... no idea it was set with those numbers |
| 22:33.03 | nayyares_ | i have configured postfix , dovecot, i am able to send emails, even i can receive emails in virtual users directories but they are not showing in imap client ? |
| 22:33.22 | peterS | RvGaTe: most modern monitors will let you see horizontal and vertical sync rates when you pop up the control panel. double-check to see if you're at 60 Hz. |
| 22:34.02 | peterS | RvGaTe: (you should also be at 57.9 kHz horizontal, which is well within the range of 31-81 that the monitor can do) |
| 22:34.09 | RvGaTe | peterS, im comparing the values with the right (dvi) monitor... they are exactly the same now |
| 22:34.33 | peterS | RvGaTe: cool. I still wonder why 'get-edid' failed and produced such garbage, but I guess we can ignore that now |
| 22:35.36 | RvGaTe | peterS, thanks for the help, now i wont hurt my eyes that much anymore :P |
| 22:35.39 | peterS | RvGaTe: there's still something weird - even when you had your original modeline, with 155.80 MHz dot clock, it should have been 74.7 Hz vertical and 72.1 kHz horizontal, and those are still within spec. oh well. |
| 22:35.51 | peterS | anyway. glad to know that helped. |
| 22:36.19 | RvGaTe | now the next problem ;) |
| 22:36.23 | peterS | RvGaTe: possibly you can reenable twinview. stoned seems to think it's got problems, but go ahead and try it |
| 22:36.26 | pickcoder | nayyares_: does the imap service know where your maildirs are? |
| 22:36.38 | RvGaTe | peterS, i didn't disable it at all |
| 22:36.43 | pickcoder | nayyares_: and.. is postfix delivering the mail there to begin with? |
| 22:36.47 | peterS | ahh |
| 22:37.18 | RvGaTe | im hungry, brb |
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| 22:39.02 | blahdeblah_ | Morning. |
| 22:39.04 | blahdeblah_ | What's a good thin client package for Debian/Ubuntu? LTSP? NX? Something else? I'd like to boot diskless if possible, but a small Linux install on a local disk is OK. |
| 22:39.17 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, please explain a bit. |
| 22:39.24 | blahdeblah_ | Only has to support a few clients (3 max) |
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| 22:41.39 | pickcoder | nayyares_: #postfix may be able to help you |
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| 22:42.00 | peterS | RvGaTe: aha! I calculated with the wrong set of numbers. 155.80 MHz indeed puts the horizontal sync at 81.5 kHz, which is slightly out of spec. this might have explained your problem. so you can probably get away with a dot clock anywhere up to 150 or so. 150 MHz dot clock gives you about 71 Hz refresh. not that you'll notice the difference on an LCD. |
| 22:42.11 | peterS | errrr, 72 Hz refresh. |
| 22:42.12 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: i favour xdmcp |
| 22:42.51 | pickcoder | nayyares_: once you've determined that postfix is setup properly for maildir delivery then you can look at dovecot IMAP |
| 22:43.02 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, they are saying that as your problem is related to imap/pop so you better try your self :( |
| 22:43.34 | _presto_ | hi all |
| 22:43.44 | _presto_ | ip rule list shows nothing!! |
| 22:43.45 | _presto_ | any tip?? |
| 22:43.55 | pickcoder | nayyares_: well it is.. so you have to determine where dovecot is looking for mail |
| 22:43.56 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, i can send emails, and even email received in user directory, but not deliverying to imap client |
| 22:44.28 | _presto_ | my /etc/iproute2/rt_tables contains the tables |
| 22:45.00 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, default_mail_env = maildir:/vmail/%u |
| 22:45.18 | pickcoder | nayyares_: is postfix configured to write maildirs instead of mbox? |
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| 22:45.53 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, ls /vmail/ufsa.gov.mz/ |
| 22:45.54 | nayyares_ | admin haroon info nayyar sohail test |
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| 22:47.17 | pickcoder | nayyares_: %u is username, which is not the domain name |
| 22:47.27 | pickcoder | nayyares_: your mail spool does not match that |
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| 22:48.03 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, what should i write here |
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| 22:48.18 | pickcoder | nayyares_: /vmail/%d/%n |
| 22:48.32 | pickcoder | %d = domain part of address, %n = name part of address |
| 22:48.47 | pickcoder | nayyares_: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_postfix_virtual_hosting_2 |
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| 22:49.21 | RvGaTe | peterS, altho the max on this monitor is sayd to be 60 |
| 22:49.40 | peterS | RvGaTe: well, that isn't what the PDF said (: it said it can do 50 - 75 Hz vertical. |
| 22:50.01 | pickcoder | nayyares_: you can also review the dovecot.conf file which states the sys variables you can use there |
| 22:50.04 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: Anything special you need to do to set up the client? I haven't used XDMCP since HP-UX 9.x. :-) |
| 22:50.14 | mickael__ | hi, how do I change the font size of my non-graphic terminal please? |
| 22:50.22 | peterS | blahdeblah_: ha, HP-UX 9, I can't even remember that far back |
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| 22:50.48 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, %u or %n ? |
| 22:51.06 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: have xbase-clients (xauth) installed on both client and server, make sure the firewalls between client/server aren't blocking various ports (177 and 6000, from memory), and run X -query server |
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| 22:51.22 | RvGaTe | peterS, this is the part where i get confused... for instance.. in windows, you select the hz... 60.., altho in debian you define 4 values to determine the hz... :S |
| 22:51.29 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: the server needs ?dm set up to accept queries from each client, but that's trivially done. |
| 22:51.38 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: OK - thanks. |
| 22:51.47 | blahdeblah_ | Is that the way LTSP does it? |
| 22:51.51 | Guerin | no idea |
| 22:52.07 | peterS | RvGaTe: well, yeah. alternatively nowadays you can use a newer tool to set both resolution and refresh graphically. but that only works if the X server already knows the correct ranges that it can use. |
| 22:52.44 | peterS | RvGaTe: I guess none of this would have been a problem if EDID worked correctly with your graphics chip and monitor, but for some reason it seemed to be malfunctioning. who knows where _that_ bug is. |
| 22:52.44 | pickcoder | nayyares_: %u is the e-mail address.. or the local username if it's being sent locally |
| 22:52.51 | pickcoder | nayyares_: use %d and %n |
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| 22:53.07 | RvGaTe | peterS, seems to work with dvi... |
| 22:53.27 | RvGaTe | peterS, else my dvi monitor would have been fucked up aswell |
| 22:53.41 | peterS | RvGaTe: I looked at the PDF. it seems the DVI port on the monitor is only DVI-D, i.e., digital. a digital input isn't subject to the same analog parameters in the same way |
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| 22:54.31 | RvGaTe | peterS, so edid uses a different type of language to communicate with the chip? or does the chip just return different values? ;) |
| 22:54.54 | peterS | RvGaTe: I don't know much about monitor plug-n-play. but I think EDID only applies to analog inputs, i.e., the VGA port. |
| 22:55.00 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, thanks it works.... let me take a french K) |
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| 22:55.16 | peterS | the digital input (DVI-D) apparently communicated its requirements correctly the first time |
| 22:55.49 | RvGaTe | peterS, not really... it didn't list 1400x1050 at first... |
| 22:56.19 | RvGaTe | peterS, but you know thats easy to force a resolution |
| 22:56.40 | kingsley | How does one reset a printer run by cups? |
| 22:56.44 | peterS | RvGaTe: yeah. well, as I said, I don't know very much about this stuff, really |
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| 22:57.09 | peterS | RvGaTe: but in any case, getting the right frequency (dot clock) and refresh rates isn't a problem with a pure digital connection like DVI-D, I guess |
| 22:57.55 | pickcoder | nayyares_: it reads the maildirs now? |
| 22:58.29 | peterS | RvGaTe: btw, if you are curious about how to calculate vertical refresh: 125.05 * 1000000 / 1912 / 1090 |
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| 22:58.41 | nayyares_ | pickcoder, yeah, i was mistyped it %u |
| 22:58.42 | peterS | RvGaTe: those 3 numbers are from the mode line |
| 22:58.50 | nayyares_ | just %n and started working |
| 22:58.52 | RvGaTe | peterS, wth... :P |
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| 22:59.07 | pickcoder | nayyares_: oh ok. great! |
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| 22:59.32 | peterS | RvGaTe: the reason for the 1000000 is that the dot clock (125.05) is expressed in megahertz, not hertz |
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| 23:00.36 | RvGaTe | peterS, i'll probably forget it |
| 23:00.51 | RvGaTe | allright, next challenge :) |
| 23:00.52 | peterS | RvGaTe: that's fine, this information isn't important for most people in the world to know (: |
| 23:01.20 | RvGaTe | peterS, you gonna love the next question ;) |
| 23:01.33 | peterS | RvGaTe: I had to know it once because I needed to tune the modelines very carefully for a very expensive set of DLP projectors. their parameters were quite different from typical CRTs |
| 23:02.08 | peterS | RvGaTe: that is when I began to wish that Windows would give me control of such parameters like Linux does. I had to run the projectors quite sub-optimally from Windows. (: |
| 23:02.35 | pickcoder | mmm DLP |
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| 23:02.51 | pickcoder | I love my 52" DLP TV |
| 23:03.06 | peterS | pickcoder: yeah, in 2001 or so. back before they were cheap. these projectors were _many_ thousands of dollars each |
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| 23:04.01 | peterS | xingu: bah, an LCD POS? (: |
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| 23:04.36 | pickcoder | LCD = lacking contrast and definition |
| 23:04.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:04.54 | peterS | I've used one of those, mounted on a regular (though very bright) overhead projector. it was ok for 1997, but doesn't compare with a real projector |
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| 23:05.34 | RvGaTe | Im having a problem with my keyboard layout settings... i live in holland, having a qwerty keyboard, us-international dutch layout... means that i have a euro sign at 5.... the problem is: i cant type the euro sign using alt+5, and i cant type the é with alt+e... shortcuts like this are crusial in my daily work, and i cant seem to enable them... i've been told i need to adjust the keymap in my xorg config, but i cant find the right one to |
| 23:05.34 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.42 | rahul | LCDs have lots of defintion, actually |
| 23:05.56 | xingu | peterS: first company I worked at sold such things. :) |
| 23:06.03 | rahul | they just lack contrast and often brightness, as a result of compromising to get better contrast |
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| 23:07.11 | peterS | xingu: yeah, and they were pretty cool ... for 1997. better than that huge CRT projector we had in another room. (Those things had their strengths, like better color, but adjusting them was a huge pain) |
| 23:08.36 | Trewas | actually the only thing that LCDs lack is good black-levels, which may lead to lack of contrast, however the best have decent enough black-levels that contrast-ratios are as good as anything else |
| 23:08.47 | Vlet | If you've been playing with your nic's mac address, how do you set it back to it's real mac? |
| 23:08.47 | pickcoder | my brother worked for a company a few years ago that tried using the DLP chip for mass spectrometry |
| 23:09.08 | rahul | uh |
| 23:09.13 | rahul | DLP for mass spec? |
| 23:09.22 | rahul | that's wack |
| 23:09.31 | pickcoder | I dunno the full details and it's been a while |
| 23:09.40 | rahul | you want to detect, not block |
| 23:09.59 | rahul | wasting sample makes baby jesus cry |
| 23:10.21 | rahul | do you know how hard it can be to get that first 10mg of product?!? |
| 23:10.24 | pickcoder | maybe they were blocking certain light freqs to take samplings at a high rate |
| 23:10.33 | rahul | mass spec doesn't use light |
| 23:10.52 | pickcoder | no.. it burns matter and samples the light spectrum |
| 23:10.52 | rahul | and dlp doesn't block freqs afaik, it just reflects or not |
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| 23:11.10 | rahul | pickcoder: that's not mass spec, then |
| 23:11.17 | rahul | burns? |
| 23:11.19 | pickcoder | well.. it something like that |
| 23:11.23 | pickcoder | ANYway |
| 23:11.28 | pickcoder | they didn't run Debian |
| 23:11.28 | rahul | heh |
| 23:11.32 | rahul | too bad |
| 23:11.32 | pickcoder | so it's a moot point |
| 23:11.35 | rahul | they should |
| 23:11.57 | rahul | or at least lesbian gnu/linux. at least then they'd have something good to look at on the dlp |
| 23:12.09 | blondie | no |
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| 23:12.29 | jplibre | say I have rsync running, and it dies because of one issue or another. I have it run the next day and it's fine, so this is not a biggie, but what if I wanted to check the error output of the rsync command and re-run it as appropriate? |
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| 23:13.02 | jplibre | for some reason I am having drain bramage on this |
| 23:13.20 | blondie | umm |
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| 23:17.55 | Acu | can I install debian in an external usb hdd ? |
| 23:18.01 | blondie | yes |
| 23:18.12 | blondie | assuming your machine can boot from USB |
| 23:18.19 | Aeonlibrarian | whoow irc in ff 2.0 owns |
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| 23:19.08 | capiira | i would accidentally close it all the time |
| 23:19.11 | Guerin | irc in a browser is so freaking wrong |
| 23:19.30 | Aeonlibrarian | why wuld that be? |
| 23:19.31 | capiira | and then join flood |
| 23:20.08 | Guerin | Aeonlibrarian: because generalised tools tend to be worse than specialised tools |
| 23:20.52 | Aeonlibrarian | ah, i see, thank you Guerin |
| 23:20.52 | Guerin | and I happen to know chatzilla uses javascript, html and css to do its thing, which it the most utterly retarded thing I've heard since azureus having an irc client |
| 23:20.52 | Aeonlibrarian | i should be using Xchat then ;) |
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| 23:20.55 | Aeonlibrarian | brb |
| 23:21.00 | capiira | someday we will get windows for firefox |
| 23:21.38 | capiira | linux for firefox |
| 23:21.44 | capiira | everything for firefox |
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| 23:21.58 | AeonLibrarian | im back ^^ |
| 23:22.06 | Guerin | we noticed |
| 23:22.10 | capiira | how annoying ;) |
| 23:22.16 | AeonLibrarian | mhm, this doesnt lagg as in chatZilla |
| 23:22.24 | capiira | heh |
| 23:22.30 | capiira | use xchat then |
| 23:22.35 | AeonLibrarian | i do :) |
| 23:22.37 | capiira | or bitchx |
| 23:22.41 | AeonLibrarian | xD |
| 23:22.54 | AeonLibrarian | thanks, i learned from it. |
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| 23:23.12 | Guerin | god, not bitchx |
| 23:23.18 | capiira | lol |
| 23:23.21 | Guerin | why do people even use that abortion of a thing |
| 23:23.45 | capiira | dunno was good few years ago |
| 23:23.46 | Guerin | so much bad software in the universe |
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| 23:23.56 | AeonLibrarian | window$ |
| 23:23.58 | Guerin | !bitchx security |
| 23:24.00 | Guerin | mm |
| 23:24.07 | Guerin | there's a classic exploit in bx |
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| 23:24.48 | AeonLibrarian | ohh.. tell us |
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| 23:25.12 | jelly | jplibre: rsync ...; res="$?"; if [ "$?" -ne 0 ]; then echo "badness happened, rsync exit status was $res"; fi |
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| 23:25.53 | jelly | jplibre: $? is your friend |
| 23:26.44 | AeonLibrarian | wireddd sure is busy.. |
| 23:26.48 | schme | I have a not very debian related topic, but I dunno if there is a proper #firefox channel. When I type in an url in IceWeasel it gives me a list of all previously visited links that match what I am typing.. I don't want this. I do however want it to remember which links I have visited before so when I view pages they are marked as visited.. anyone have any idea? |
| 23:27.03 | axioms_109029 | question: any idea how to stop gdm from running on boot up,(i used to do it on redhat by setting the runlevel to 3 in /etc/inittab, but it didn't work on debian)? |
| 23:27.03 | jelly | jplibre: look up EXIT VALUES in rsync's manual |
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| 23:27.28 | sid | axioms_109029: update.rc-d -f gdm remove |
| 23:27.44 | axioms_109029 | thanks |
| 23:27.54 | sid | axioms_109029: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 23:28.01 | sid | sorry, long time since I used the program. heh |
| 23:28.10 | AeonLibrarian | schme, why don't you use Xchat? i prefer Xchat more then IceWeasel |
| 23:28.23 | sid | update-rc.d -f gdm defaults; to put it back if you change your mind. |
| 23:28.40 | schme | AeonLibrarian: Because IceWeasel is a webbrowser and Xchat is an irc client. |
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| 23:29.40 | schme | AeonLibrarian: and for IRC I prefer ERC meself. |
| 23:29.45 | AeonLibrarian | schme, i made a mistake.. i was confused xD |
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| 23:30.00 | schme | AeonLibrarian: It's ok. I'm confused all the time (: |
| 23:30.00 | AeonLibrarian | i thought you meant something else haha :) |
| 23:30.17 | AeonLibrarian | i'll try if i can help you |
| 23:30.29 | AeonLibrarian | hold on while i get the package |
| 23:30.55 | schme | I turned off so it doesn't remember urls, but it has a years worth of usage already stored.. and if I nuke the history it affects pages I visit. |
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| 23:33.34 | AeonLibrarian | how weird is that |
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| 23:34.04 | schme | I am guessing there is no way to fix it. |
| 23:34.09 | capiira | hmmmm anyone know if there is a way to bypass frozen ? im asking becuase someone told today that gnome 2.16 is partially already in testing but its frozen |
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| 23:34.55 | sid | capiira: no gnome 2.16 is not in etch, only small parts that don't affect the core of gnome, like games etc. |
| 23:35.07 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 23:35.08 | sid | capiira: gnome 2.16 is not even in debian unstable. |
| 23:35.16 | capiira | ohh ok |
| 23:35.24 | AeonLibrarian | mhm.. best you can do is reporting the bug |
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| 23:35.49 | capiira | how long do you think it will take to get into testing? |
| 23:36.15 | schme | AeonLibrarian: I doubt this is an actual bug. The url bar uses the browser history to autocomplement urls I type in. Just takes so long for it to search through it all and come up with stuff :) |
| 23:36.19 | sid | capiira: testing is frozen, so by the time gnome 2.16 is ready etch will have been released already. |
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| 23:36.35 | sid | capiira: gnome 2.16 might go into etch+1(lenny/testing) |
| 23:36.37 | schme | capiira: It is is experimental |
| 23:36.42 | schme | is in |
| 23:36.47 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 23:37.09 | sid | So etch will be shipped with gnome 2.14, and possibly a official/unofficial backport for gnome 2.16 |
| 23:37.20 | capiira | but if my source list points to "testing" and not to "etch" then i will get it automatically? |
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| 23:37.55 | AeonLibrarian | w0w.. thats just too weird |
| 23:37.59 | capiira | and my system will mutate into lenny/testing? |
| 23:38.04 | Guerin | yes |
| 23:38.12 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 23:38.12 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that sarge has stabilised: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 23:38.36 | capiira | thank you |
| 23:38.39 | sid | capiira: You'll probably have gnome 2.16 within a couple months time. |
| 23:38.43 | capiira | thats nice |
| 23:38.46 | sid | capiira: right before 2.18 is released. heh |
| 23:38.52 | capiira | :) |
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| 23:39.21 | sid | !experimental |
| 23:39.21 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:39.28 | capiira | at least there will not be a frozen status and we might get 2.18 soon too |
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| 23:39.58 | DaveQB | is there anyway to spit out apache's settings, like postconf for postfix ? |
| 23:40.02 | Guerin | dpkg, etch upgrade path is <reply>Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that etch has stabilised: If your sources.list says "sarge" you'll stay with sarge. If it says "etch", you'll upgrade to etch. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to etch, the new stable. If it says "testing", your etch boxwill upgrade to lenny, the new testing. Any questions? |
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| 23:40.08 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 23:40.10 | AeonLibrarian | Experimental is almost suicide for a n00b like me. |
| 23:40.17 | DaveQB | I seem to have problems all of sudden with sub-domains vhost |
| 23:40.47 | Guerin | experimental means `hey debian, you can experiment with my computer for a while, and I don't expect to get any of the bits back after!' |
| 23:40.48 | capiira | not only that |
| 23:40.54 | capiira | i prefer to work with my system |
| 23:41.05 | capiira | than to tweak all the time |
| 23:41.09 | cydork | bahh cant's find peterS's build-dep script for aptitude. |
| 23:41.09 | schme | AeonLibrarian: I've actually never had a problem with it. |
| 23:41.09 | jelly | schme: you can't run experimental, it's not automatically installable |
| 23:41.19 | schme | jelly: ... ? |
| 23:41.24 | peterS | cydork: p12n.org/hacks/#aptitude-build-dep |
| 23:41.27 | Guerin | yeh, experimental on its own can never work |
| 23:41.37 | schme | jelly: of course. no. experimental + unstable |
| 23:41.38 | cydork | peterS: thanks :) |
| 23:41.40 | sid | schme: Are you running particular packages from experimental? |
| 23:41.48 | schme | sid: Beats me :) |
| 23:41.48 | streuner | !experimental |
| 23:41.49 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:41.58 | sid | schme: Or are you mistakenly calling experimental unstable? Which they are very different. |
| 23:42.00 | schme | It is in my sources list. |
| 23:42.09 | sid | schme: That doesn't matter, it gets ignored. |
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| 23:42.34 | schme | sid: Well. I have some package or other from experimental. |
| 23:42.34 | sid | schme: You have to manually grab packages when "experimental" is in your sources.list; ie apt-get install -t experimental gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:42.38 | schme | That is what I am saying. |
| 23:42.40 | schme | Ya. |
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| 23:42.46 | streuner | Guerin: did you see aba's point of view in helsinki about experimental? ;-) |
| 23:42.54 | schme | I can't for my life remember which packages it is. |
| 23:42.55 | Guerin | streuner: nope |
| 23:43.18 | streuner | Guerin: well, after you listen to him, you'll never use exerperimental ;-) |
| 23:43.34 | schme | sid: ratpoison it is |
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| 23:44.05 | napoleao | Hi, Since today one of my debian servers seems to be very slow, its running qmail as our email server, we have 2 servers, the debian one, and one with windows 2003, both seems to be slow, when I access remotly but if I reboot the debian server the windows 2003 one becomes fast, and when the debian one returns the windows one becomes slow again |
| 23:44.26 | jelly | streuner: what's so booboo about experimental? Not much different than using maintainer's repo in people.d.o/~someone or alioth or wherever |
| 23:44.28 | streuner | Guerin: well, maintainer use it to as the word says, in experimental *mood* ... |
| 23:44.28 | napoleao | is there a way to see which tasks are using the memory and the cpu from the linux console? |
| 23:44.46 | Guerin | napoleao: it's qmail, what do you expect. It's probably just bogged down by tripling all your spam. |
| 23:44.47 | cluck | napoleao: top |
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| 23:44.48 | schme | napoleao: like top ? |
| 23:44.53 | sid | !tell napoleao about top |
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| 23:45.06 | petemc | napoleao: have you checked the logs to see if anything untoward is going on? |
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| 23:45.45 | AeonLibrarian | napoleo, do you use applets? Very handy for CPU, In-Out going internet and many more |
| 23:45.46 | napoleao | have not checked all the logs yet |
| 23:45.48 | streuner | jelly: at the very first start, there were packages which were pretty stable (GNOME 2.0), but it goes the other direction in the same short time... ;-) |
| 23:45.58 | AeonLibrarian | Epplets* |
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| 23:46.26 | Guerin | AeonLibrarian: epplets are not what a sysadmin uses to monitor a server's load. |
| 23:46.39 | jelly | AeonLibrarian: are these "epplets" console based? |
| 23:46.41 | AeonLibrarian | but you can use em :) |
| 23:46.43 | Guerin | they're what an eye-candy drooler uses to distract him from doing work |
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| 23:46.56 | Guerin | jelly: they're enlightenment applets |
| 23:47.01 | napoleao | petemc which logs you think are the most important to look at? |
| 23:47.05 | AeonLibrarian | i thought so.. not sure |
| 23:47.11 | mandingo | anyone able to point me to a decent howto on creating debian packages? |
| 23:47.14 | jelly | Guerin: but the question was for console utils? |
| 23:47.37 | Guerin | jelly: yes. |
| 23:47.43 | AeonLibrarian | oops |
| 23:47.49 | petemc | napoleao: qmail log, wherever that is, syslog, messages, the logs of any other service running on that machine |
| 23:47.51 | Guerin | !tell mandingo about nm guide |
| 23:48.05 | streuner | jelly: keep in mind, there is unstable and those packages which aren't unstable are in experimental... |
| 23:48.11 | napoleao | ok |
| 23:48.13 | mandingo | gracias! |
| 23:48.21 | Guerin | mandingo: de nada |
| 23:48.46 | capiira | whats the name of the package to make grub become graphical? |
| 23:49.08 | petemc | bootsplash? |
| 23:49.28 | capiira | nah that's for while boot |
| 23:49.41 | capiira | i mean for the grub kernel select boot menu thing |
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| 23:49.59 | capiira | the blue menu |
| 23:49.59 | myren | can someone dpkg -S /etc/dictionaries-common/words for me? |
| 23:50.04 | myren | i cant find out what package its in |
| 23:50.10 | myren | and all my aliases are broken without it |
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| 23:50.25 | ilyak | ls |
| 23:50.39 | myren | dpkg -S will search for that file. read the man, its safe. |
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| 23:50.39 | dpkg | Badgers ate my will search for that file. read the man, its safe.! |
| 23:50.42 | myren | please fscking help. |
| 23:50.46 | capiira | ahhh its gfxboot |
| 23:50.55 | Guerin | myren: dpkg: /etc/dictionaries-common/words not found. |
| 23:51.08 | myren | FFSSSCCCCKKK |
| 23:51.17 | ilyak | :) |
| 23:51.21 | Guerin | !find dictionaries-common/words |
| 23:51.21 | AeonLibrarian | hoho! steady there |
| 23:51.31 | myren | dictionaries-common has a /usr/share/dict/words that poitns to that |
| 23:51.36 | Guerin | myren: vowels are a-ok |
| 23:51.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dictionaries-common/words' returned no results. |
| 23:51.46 | Guerin | myren: ENOENT |
| 23:52.00 | rahul | uh |
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| 23:52.13 | streuner | heh |
| 23:52.14 | rahul | !find /usr/share/dictionaries-common |
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| 23:52.26 | rahul | now it goes and updates |
| 23:52.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/dictionaries-common' returned no results. |
| 23:52.36 | Guerin | even though it just did for me |
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| 23:53.23 | Guerin | !find usr/share/dictionaries-common |
| 23:53.31 | Guerin | leading / often fuicks thing sup |
| 23:53.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/dictionaries-common' (2): (/usr/share/dictionaries-common/{dc-debconf-select.pl|mutt-ispell-init}) in text/dictionaries-common ;; (/usr/share/dictionaries-common/cdbs/dict-common.mk, /usr/share/dictionaries-common/debconf/{config-ispell|config-wordlist|templates-ispell|...}) in devel/dictionaries-common-dev. |
| 23:53.37 | rahul | ah, right |
| 23:53.38 | myren | i'm installing random dictionary packages now. |
| 23:53.44 | twobitsprite | what's the preferred way to switch debian to a dvorak layout? |
| 23:53.45 | Guerin | !win me |
| 23:53.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 23:53.57 | AeonLibrarian | !lose me |
| 23:53.57 | dpkg | aeonlibrarian: You Lose. |
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| 23:54.07 | jelly | !abuse me |
| 23:54.11 | myren | twobitsprite: i hate to say it, but gnome-control-panel. i use that even if i'm in wmii or openbox. |
| 23:54.14 | Guerin | twobitsprite: set your keymaps to dvorak |
| 23:54.15 | myren | which i am. |
| 23:54.21 | AeonLibrarian | !spank jelly |
| 23:54.30 | jelly | thanks, dpkg |
| 23:54.31 | twobitsprite | Guerin: where do I set keymaps? |
| 23:54.43 | AeonLibrarian | haha :) |
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| 23:55.15 | twobitsprite | !bite me |
| 23:55.16 | Guerin | twobitsprite: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xwhatever for x and in console-data for console |
| 23:55.29 | twobitsprite | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 23:55.31 | Guerin | dpkg is mightier than you know |
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| 23:57.53 | twobitsprite | Guerin: the xserver one doesn't give me a list... default is "us"... should I just put "dvorak"? or "dvorak-us"? |
| 23:58.14 | Guerin | mm, it should |
| 23:58.24 | twobitsprite | nope... just a textfield |
| 23:58.25 | Guerin | i haven't had to change keymaps in a while, it may have changed |
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