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| 00:00.08 | abrotman | !tell Supertech1 about away |
| 00:00.12 | abrotman | !tell Supertech1 about away |
| 00:00.23 | Supertech1 | sorry |
| 00:00.37 | Supertech1 | do you not want me to do those? |
| 00:00.58 | Supertech1 | by the way, the !tell thing did not work |
| 00:01.34 | Supertech1 | o wait, yes it did |
| 00:01.38 | tuv | isn't nvu in debian? |
| 00:01.56 | craigevil | tuv no it was removed a while back |
| 00:02.14 | tuv | craigevil, any idea why? |
| 00:02.25 | abrotman | Supertech1: just don't do it publicly .. if someone wants you .. they'll get your notice when they highlight you |
| 00:02.37 | craigevil | licensing issues if I remember correctly, plus it hasnt been update din forever |
| 00:02.46 | Thaiger | I put the device in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it just says configuring xorg [OK] then goes back to asking for it again, lspci says its PCI:10:0d.0 and thats what I put in |
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| 00:03.21 | tuv | i'm just looking for something like dreamweaver |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | nvu |
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| 00:04.19 | craigevil | Seamonkey/Iceape composer is pretty much the same as nvu |
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| 00:05.47 | Asc | I need help getting xorg working on a laptop running Etch. It's got an old ATI card (not supported by ATI driver), but I don't need video acceleration - just X working. |
| 00:05.57 | Asc | The error is "no screens found." |
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| 00:06.13 | unlink | post your errors from X |
| 00:06.19 | sanmarcos-trabaj | is there a way to get the process name of the proess which is using the most cpu? (without actually having to loook at the list in top)? |
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| 00:06.37 | Thaiger | Asc: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages |
| 00:06.47 | unlink | sanmarcos-trabaj: there is no command for it, but you can easily write a script for it |
| 00:07.07 | kombi | has anyone in here ever succeeded in building mod_layout for apache22 ? |
| 00:07.26 | unlink | ps aux | sed 1d | awk '{print $10"\t"$11}' | grep -v '^0:0.' | sort -nr | head -1 |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: run top in batch mode |
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| 00:07.52 | Danch0- | hallol |
| 00:08.05 | unlink | i have *no* idea if that works well, i literally pasted it from a script i have on my hard drive |
| 00:08.19 | Danch0- | have a nice chat |
| 00:08.32 | kombi | or is anyone good at debuggin a makefile designed for standard linux? |
| 00:08.50 | unlink | kombi: pastebin it. |
| 00:08.54 | unlink | kombi: rafb.net/paste |
| 00:08.59 | kombi | wait.. |
| 00:09.03 | Asc | unlink: Could be tricky. How the heck do I find my computer's IP so I can ssh to it? No ipconfig 0_o |
| 00:09.27 | unlink | Asc: lynx -dump whatismyip | grep [0-9] |
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| 00:09.47 | unlink | Asc: or /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 00:10.19 | ofer0 | hmm |
| 00:10.23 | ofer0 | I do it using: |
| 00:10.25 | ofer0 | curl whatismyip.org; echo |
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| 00:10.50 | Asc | Oh, okay. I'm used to /sbin being in $PATH. |
| 00:11.20 | kombi | unlink: http://rafb.net/p/gR4FTf18.html |
| 00:11.22 | unlink | even better, lynx -dump whatismyip | grep Your\ IP | sed s/[^0-9.]//g |
| 00:11.45 | unlink | kombi: what's the error? |
| 00:12.17 | ofer0 | unlink, use whatismyip.org, it's raw |
| 00:12.22 | kombi | first it doesn't libraries, I worked around that and it throws a zillion errors at my head.. |
| 00:12.55 | kombi | ..find libraries.. |
| 00:12.57 | unlink | ofer0: kickass |
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| 00:13.28 | unlink | kombi: pastebin the errors in their entirety |
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| 00:14.35 | wastrel | hola |
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| 00:15.57 | lotfi | salut tout le monde |
| 00:16.17 | NaufraGo | how do I uninstall an app installed by ./configure, make, make install ? |
| 00:16.22 | unlink | salut, lotfi |
| 00:16.28 | abrotman | make uninstall |
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| 00:16.34 | unlink | NaufraGo: make (un|de)install |
| 00:16.40 | unlink | NaufraGo: depending on the app. |
| 00:16.56 | NaufraGo | ok |
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| 00:17.21 | kombi | unlink: http://rafb.net/p/bf9O2W69.html some output though.. |
| 00:17.22 | wastrel | suhw33t |
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| 00:17.47 | twobitsp1ite | what is the default root user name for mysql? |
| 00:17.53 | unlink | kombi: that has nothing to do with make |
| 00:17.53 | Asc | Oh, nifty. X forwarding enabled by default. |
| 00:18.20 | unlink | kombi: you're missing libapr-dev |
| 00:18.32 | NaufraGo | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 00:18.35 | Asc | xorg output here: http://pastebin.com/852370 |
| 00:18.46 | kombi | unlink: oh, ok.. let me install that.. |
| 00:18.53 | unlink | NaufraGo: try make deinstall |
| 00:18.56 | wastrel | you guys are the best |
| 00:18.59 | NaufraGo | the same.. |
| 00:19.06 | unlink | NaufraGo: otherwise, you can see what make install does, and undo it |
| 00:19.08 | unlink | (by hand) |
| 00:19.15 | Asc | Hmm, although that one was made with i810 drivers, which is probably silly. I've also tried ati and the ones that came by default. |
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| 00:20.43 | pitbul | How often are updates/patches written for Debian Linux? |
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| 00:21.34 | kombi | unlink: there does not seem to be one for apache22, am I in dependency hell now? |
| 00:21.46 | unlink | nah |
| 00:21.53 | unlink | pitbul: *all* the time |
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| 00:22.54 | kombi | unlink: libapr1-dev is already there.. |
| 00:23.01 | twobitsp1ite | when I installed mysql it doesn't tell me what the root password is... and I can't log into it? |
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| 00:23.26 | kombi | twobitsp1ite: try no password |
| 00:23.26 | unlink | kombi: you actually need libaprutil1-dev |
| 00:23.47 | kombi | thanks unlink, installing it now |
| 00:23.59 | irkite | Hi, I have installed the debian base system using the netinstall CD but I am getting segmentation faults often while launching an app or apt-get. What can I do? |
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| 00:24.34 | kombi | unlink: already there..;( |
| 00:24.38 | twobitsp1ite | kombi: ahh... I tried that, but I had the command line wrong |
| 00:24.45 | twobitsp1ite | kombi: thanks |
| 00:24.52 | HombreW | hi all |
| 00:24.53 | kombi | np |
| 00:25.01 | kombi | ..that was easy.. |
| 00:25.26 | HombreW | i can't load speedstep-centrino module even if i'm working on a pentium-m laptop |
| 00:25.42 | HombreW | when i try to modprobe i get: No such device |
| 00:25.46 | HombreW | any ideas? |
| 00:25.51 | unlink | kombi: find out if libaprutil1-dev uses pkg-config |
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| 00:26.46 | kombi | unlink: ahem.. how would I do that..? |
| 00:26.59 | unlink | look at its documentation |
| 00:27.06 | kombi | ok.. |
| 00:27.12 | unlink | or more particularly, look at dpkg -L libaprutil1-dev |
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| 00:27.24 | unlink | if it comes with .pc files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/, then it most likely does |
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| 00:28.01 | Supertech1 | abrotman: Thank you for telling me about the away thing; unfortunately, it's enabled on all new servers by default. I made sure to disable it for this channel. Let's just make sure it worked... |
| 00:28.01 | Aubustou | hello |
| 00:28.01 | Supertech1 | nope |
| 00:28.01 | Supertech1 | didn't work |
| 00:28.01 | Supertech1 | hmm... |
| 00:28.01 | karsten | What's a jiffie? |
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| 00:28.10 | Aubustou | why doesn't Debian support Webmin 1.30? |
| 00:28.11 | unlink | 1/100s |
| 00:28.14 | kombi | unlink: apr-1.pc, apr-util-1.pc are in there |
| 00:28.16 | karsten | unlink: Danke. |
| 00:28.22 | unlink | bitte |
| 00:28.36 | Supertech1 | ah, found the problem, away system is now disabled |
| 00:29.02 | unlink | kombi: ja also muss man `pkg-config --cflags apr-1 apr-util-1.pc` nach $(CC) schreiben |
| 00:29.03 | MoDaX | !webmin |
| 00:29.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:29.03 | karsten | unlink: xiexie |
| 00:29.07 | HombreW | someone can help me? |
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| 00:29.19 | karsten | !tell HombreW about ask |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | Supertech1: it's a client problem |
| 00:29.37 | devicenull | is there any simple way to get debian to recognize my usb keyboard? |
| 00:29.43 | devicenull | I can use it in grub fine |
| 00:29.45 | kombi | unlink: in the makefile I take it? mach ich |
| 00:29.51 | Aubustou | ok MoDaX :D |
| 00:29.51 | unlink | kombi: genau |
| 00:29.58 | unlink | karsten: bu ke qi |
| 00:30.00 | HombreW | kersten i asked 2 times and i got no answer |
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| 00:30.18 | karsten | unlink: so, /proc/self/stat gives process starttime, in jiffies from system boot, field 22 |
| 00:30.27 | karsten | unlink: Impressive. |
| 00:30.29 | Supertech1 | abrotman: thank you, i believe i fixed it; it's an mIRC script, and i need it for some servers. It's not easily modifiable, unfortunately |
| 00:30.35 | HombreW | i need help loading speedstep-centrino module |
| 00:30.43 | Supertech1 | i just tested the away system, it's fixed |
| 00:30.47 | unlink | kombi: man kann einfach CFLAGS=`pkg-config ... schreiben |
| 00:30.52 | HombreW | it doesn't load even if i'm working on a pentium-m machine |
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| 00:31.30 | HombreW | modprobe speedstep-centrino: (...): No such device |
| 00:31.41 | karsten | unlink: ... I'm trying to get actual start time from that. |
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| 00:32.13 | karsten | unlink: /proc/stat has 'btime' which I suspect is jiffies or seconds. |
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| 00:32.49 | unlink | karsten: actually jiffy could be 4ms, depending on your CONFIG_HZ |
| 00:32.50 | karsten | unlink: Seconds from epoch: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/proc.5.html |
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| 00:33.04 | karsten | unlink: Is there any standard place to find out? |
| 00:33.20 | irkite | Can apt resume interrupted download? |
| 00:33.27 | unlink | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiffy_%28time%29 |
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| 00:33.35 | karsten | irkite: Yes |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | Supertech1: use a better IRC client :) |
| 00:33.42 | irkite | karsten: nice |
| 00:33.48 | kombi | unlink: so that line would go into like line 12 or 13? |
| 00:34.07 | karsten | irkite: If you interrupt actual package installation, you mya have to run dpkg --configure -a or dpkg --configure --pending. YOu'll be prompted if necessary. |
| 00:34.11 | unlink | kombi: 13 |
| 00:34.12 | karsten | irkite: s/nice/essential/ |
| 00:34.27 | Supertech1 | abrotman, I'm actualy in the process of making my own IRC client ;) |
| 00:34.38 | irkite | karsten: yes :) thanks |
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| 00:36.00 | HombreW | karsten: you told me to simply answer...i did it for the third time but i got no answer, nor "i can't help you" from anyone... |
| 00:36.06 | irkite | karsten: is it automatic (download resume) or we do we have to specify it? |
| 00:36.07 | loopdee | can someone help me setup the console to frambuffer ?i do not know how what to do |
| 00:36.15 | Supertech1 | hey, does anybody know if the #vhost thing actually works? only one way to find out, i guess |
| 00:36.23 | markit | how can I report a kernel issue? who is to email to? any suggestion? |
| 00:36.24 | karsten | !repeat |
| 00:36.24 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:36.35 | karsten | HombreW: ^^ |
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| 00:36.54 | unlink | karsten: ni hui jia zhongwen ma? |
| 00:36.59 | karsten | HombreW: Frankly I'd start by googling. |
| 00:37.33 | HombreW | karsten i followed 30000 howto's before coming here |
| 00:37.40 | karsten | unlink: bu shi, wo bu hui jia zhongwen. |
| 00:37.46 | HombreW | i already googled |
| 00:37.50 | unlink | karsten: me neither |
| 00:37.54 | HombreW | found no solution |
| 00:37.55 | karsten | HombreW: Sorry. See factoid. |
| 00:38.22 | karsten | unlink: Been studying it a tad, just enough to grok some stuff. |
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| 00:38.44 | unlink | doch toll |
| 00:38.52 | HombreW | :-/ |
| 00:39.10 | kombi | unlnk: hmm, no luck yet, http://rafb.net/p/139YUP39.html |
| 00:39.24 | kombi | did I do it richtig? |
| 00:40.13 | karsten | HombreW: This may also be informative reading: http://trailridgeconsulting.com/blog/?cat=7&paged=2 |
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| 00:40.40 | unlink | kombi: ich kann den ganzen makefile da nicht sehen |
| 00:40.48 | karsten | unlink: Ja. Ich kann nur ein Paar sprache und dachte das es wird ein interessantes Ubungen. |
| 00:41.13 | unlink | karsten: :> |
| 00:41.15 | kombi | unlink: should be in there at the top, followed by the output of make |
| 00:41.21 | gcbirzan_gaim | And here I was tthinking this was an English channel. :-P |
| 00:41.35 | unlink | kombi: it's almost all output errors |
| 00:41.50 | kombi | unlink: let me do the makefile again |
| 00:42.01 | karsten | gcbirzan_gaim: C'est un faux pas. |
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| 00:42.36 | gcbirzan_gaim | karsten: In 11 years of school, I only learned: "Je ne parle pas francais" :-P |
| 00:42.51 | gcbirzan_gaim | And, hm. "Pour aujourd'hui nous avon a preparer" |
| 00:42.57 | kombi | unlink: http://rafb.net/p/sU3QV297.html |
| 00:43.02 | karsten | gcbirzan_gaim: What does that mean? |
| 00:43.04 | karsten | ;-) |
| 00:43.17 | gcbirzan_gaim | Parlais? Something. |
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| 00:43.36 | unlink | kombi: i can't see pkg-config anywhere |
| 00:43.41 | karsten | HombreW: Read Dakota Tribal Wisdom. |
| 00:43.45 | gcbirzan_gaim | I used to be able to actually speak and spell the language (grammar too) in the 8th grade. |
| 00:43.52 | gcbirzan_gaim | Highschool ruined it for me. :-D |
| 00:43.53 | karsten | HombreW: Perhaps lighter threads would improve performance.... |
| 00:43.58 | HombreW | ahahaha |
| 00:44.02 | kombi | unlink: I thought i put that in.. let me check.. |
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| 00:44.29 | HombreW | my kernel wouldn't eat that damned module |
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| 00:45.09 | karsten | HombreW: My few experiences with speedstep were less than satisfactory. Hard system lockups. This some years ago. I see the tech reference much less these days, not sure how well it's supported. |
| 00:45.09 | unlink | that bast |
| 00:45.25 | HombreW | the only 2 distros that work with speedstep are ubuntu and fedora :-( |
| 00:45.28 | gcbirzan_gaim | Hm. Aaaanyway. Not the best place to ask, but. Has anyone else had problems with gaim 2 sort of freezing? It won't render text, I have to type something in a conversation, for it to start working again... |
| 00:45.38 | HombreW | i'm sure for this that it works |
| 00:45.43 | gcbirzan_gaim | (And, if you DID get that problem, how did you solve it? :-) ) |
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| 00:45.44 | abrotman | there is a #gaim |
| 00:45.55 | gcbirzan_gaim | abrotman: Yes, there is. |
| 00:46.08 | kombi | unlink: sorry, must have scewed up pasebin..http://rafb.net/p/WptQbX47.html |
| 00:46.13 | stoned | there is stuff |
| 00:46.27 | gcbirzan_gaim | But, hm. Joining a new channel in gaim is pretty hard? :-P |
| 00:46.36 | jetscreamer | greetings earthlings |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | proof noone from texas is a human ... |
| 00:46.58 | stoned | jetscreamer, hey whats up |
| 00:47.00 | unlink | kombi: sorry |
| 00:47.11 | unlink | CC=`$(APXS) -q CC` |
| 00:47.18 | kombi | unlink: no problem! |
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| 00:47.25 | unlink | INC=-I`$(APXS) -q INCLUDEDIR` `$(APXS) -q CFLAGS` `pkg-config --cflags apr-1 apr-util-1.pc` |
| 00:47.32 | jetscreamer | who ever said earthlings were human? :) |
| 00:47.40 | jetscreamer | sup stoned |
| 00:47.45 | stoned | jetscreamer got a point |
| 00:48.00 | jetscreamer | besides all those writer ppl i mean |
| 00:48.00 | kombi | unlink: instead of both lines? |
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| 00:48.19 | unlink | instead of all 3 |
| 00:49.06 | stoned | !gal |
| 00:49.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gal is the GNOME applications library file. |
| 00:49.11 | stoned | !lag |
| 00:49.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, lag is the reason fnord has so many meanings |
| 00:49.26 | stoned | well guess im not laggin if the bot is respondin |
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| 00:49.49 | abrotman | most clients have a meter of some sort |
| 00:49.59 | buu | So.. I've got this problem. |
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| 00:50.31 | jetscreamer | easily solved with perl |
| 00:50.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:50.37 | buu | Probably! |
| 00:50.59 | stoned | jetscreamer, perl is the universal balm eh |
| 00:51.01 | karsten | OT: anyone know the 'strace' equivalent on AIX? |
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| 00:51.25 | jetscreamer | stoned: i just know buu is into perl |
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| 00:51.45 | buu | I have exim4 set up for several domains, all of which are hosted on the same box and should be served by the same mailserver and so forth. For example, foo.com and bar.com. Now, everything involving foo.com works fine, I can send and receive and so on. But when I try to mail bar.com, I do 'HELO bar.com' and it responds 250 foo.com, then when I try to email user@bar.com, it gives me a 550 Relaying denied (#5.7.1) |
| 00:52.04 | buu | Now when I configured exim4 it asked me which email systems it was hosting and I told it bar.com.. |
| 00:52.09 | unlink | karsten: there's bound to be something, since ptrace() is SVr4 |
| 00:52.14 | jetscreamer | at a guess, but i know nothing, mx records |
| 00:52.24 | grindking | is gtk and pango screwed up with amd64 kernels in sid? |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | karsten: trace, truss, syscalls, watch |
| 00:52.40 | buu | jetscreamer: Oh. Hrm. |
| 00:52.49 | buu | jetscreamer: The mx record for bar.com is foo.com.. |
| 00:53.01 | karsten | unlink: makewhatis isn't built on that box. There's an #aix, going there. |
| 00:53.16 | kombi | unlink: still some issues it seems.. http://rafb.net/p/x0Fm6w32.html |
| 00:53.26 | kombi | really don't want to stress you.. |
| 00:53.27 | buu | jetscreamer: But in this specific case I'm not even looking at mx records, I'm just telnetting straight to the port. |
| 00:53.38 | unlink | karsten: uh, abrotman just pointed you to a slew of available tools |
| 00:53.44 | jetscreamer | i really have no idea, it was just a guess :/ |
| 00:53.53 | karsten | unlink: Right, saw that. |
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| 00:53.58 | karsten | abrotman: Care to join me in #aix? |
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| 00:54.18 | unlink | kombi: why is line #28 commented? |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | !tell karsten about rosetta |
| 00:54.24 | SpooForBrains | Anyone in here much cop with Tomcat on debian? |
| 00:54.45 | kombi | unlink: oops.. wailt.. |
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| 00:55.42 | abrotman | cop? |
| 00:55.51 | liable | robbers? |
| 00:55.59 | SpooForBrains | any good, have any experience with |
| 00:56.06 | SpooForBrains | sorry, I'm being a bit British |
| 00:56.39 | kombi | unlink: like so http://rafb.net/p/teKJxS42.html? |
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| 00:57.21 | mentor | buu: you need to make sure that exim knows which domains are local |
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| 00:57.55 | mentor | buu: The banner contains the mailserver's hostname of which there is one canonical version |
| 00:58.14 | robin_sz | mentor, but if the mx point to somewhere else, then wont it even try and relay the message to the box specified in the MX? |
| 00:58.37 | mentor | robin_sz: uh? |
| 00:58.43 | robin_sz | ie all mail should evewntually end up on the box specified inthe mx? |
| 00:59.09 | mentor | robin_sz: The sending MTA looks up the MX for a domain; it then tries to send the message to that domain via SMTP |
| 00:59.16 | kombi | robin_sz: not if it is not reponsible |
| 00:59.17 | mentor | distinctly not |
| 00:59.38 | mentor | the MX is merely the public access point for delivering mail |
| 00:59.46 | mentor | It has no bearing on where the mail ends up |
| 00:59.54 | buu | mentor: How do I tell exim which domains are local? |
| 01:00.12 | buu | dc_other_hostnames= ? |
| 01:00.14 | gcbirzan_gaim | mentor: But, most of the time, that's where it ends up. :-P |
| 01:00.15 | mentor | buu: yes |
| 01:00.16 | robin_sz | mentor, I was think ing of the stiuation where you have 2 boxes, one as a higher priority MX than the other, they both have the domain as locals, but the lower one accepts mail .. beut then relays it on to the higher one when it can |
| 01:00.36 | kombi | buu: that should be a rather prominent setting somewhere |
| 01:00.39 | mentor | robin_sz: The secondary would not be set as a local |
| 01:00.50 | robin_sz | mentor, of course, if you swap the mx records around in the DNS, then mail immediatley starts stickeing to the other box |
| 01:00.53 | mentor | robin_sz: Well, maybe |
| 01:01.00 | buu | mentor: Well, it's there. |
| 01:01.18 | mentor | robin_sz: It would either batch/relay to the primary or write to some shared storage |
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| 01:01.45 | mentor | buu: update-exim.conf && /etc/init.d/exim4 restart? |
| 01:01.53 | robin_sz | mentor, well, im pretty certain thas how I set up the last couplel of boxes with (that fscking weord assed) qmail ... both have the domains as locals, but of its not listed as the highest priority MX it doesnt stick |
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| 01:02.03 | buu | mentor: Well, I can try again. |
| 01:02.07 | robin_sz | that could just be qmail of course |
| 01:02.08 | mentor | robin_sz: qmail. I promise nothing. |
| 01:02.28 | robin_sz | fair point |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | people actually use qmail ? |
| 01:02.39 | mentor | DJB does! |
| 01:02.48 | kombi | do I sense a mta flame coming on..? |
| 01:02.49 | robin_sz | yeah, it plays nicely with vpopmail .. thats about it |
| 01:02.55 | mentor | !start an mta war |
| 01:02.55 | dpkg | courier has shitty documentation |
| 01:03.00 | buu | mentor: I still get the 550 |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | oh wait .. someone here is a welder! |
| 01:03.00 | mentor | so true. |
| 01:03.16 | mentor | buu: What does /var/log/exim/mainlog say? |
| 01:03.20 | kombi | used to weld sendmail a lot.. |
| 01:03.48 | robin_sz | abrotman, now now .. I employ them, theres a difference |
| 01:03.49 | buu | Oh, wait |
| 01:03.51 | buu | Duh me. |
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| 01:04.14 | mentor | buu: heh. What did you do? |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | robin_sz: and you were one :) |
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| 01:05.11 | kombi | dr. unlink still in? |
| 01:05.24 | unlink | hello |
| 01:05.30 | kombi | sorry.. |
| 01:06.27 | wastrel | hi |
| 01:06.35 | wastrel | are you really a doctor? |
| 01:06.35 | robin_sz | abrotman, not really, I just employ them. its more fun that way. |
| 01:06.58 | wastrel | i've welded but am not a welder |
| 01:07.01 | kombi | unlink: did you see my last pastbin @ http://rafb.net/p/teKJxS42.html |
| 01:07.05 | buu | mentor: I have qpsmtpd sitting in front of exim so it was the one rejecting it =/ |
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| 01:07.25 | robin_sz | likewise ... im actually quite good at it .. i enjoy the theory, but 30 minutes is enough |
| 01:07.36 | unlink | kombi: does that owrk/ |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | those who can't ... |
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| 01:07.51 | robin_sz | employ people to do it for them? |
| 01:07.53 | kombi | unlink: fraid not.. |
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| 01:08.05 | unlink | kombi: what errors do you get? |
| 01:08.10 | unlink | abrotman: teach? |
| 01:08.22 | kombi | unlink: still the same kind of hefty output.. coming |
| 01:08.28 | robin_sz | and those who cant teach, teach teachers! |
| 01:09.40 | wastrel | those who can't teach, administrate |
| 01:09.48 | kombi | unlink: the whole shabang I'm afraid: http://rafb.net/p/4fZMp953.html |
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| 01:10.27 | unlink | kombi: see if you can make it compile 'by hand' |
| 01:10.55 | kombi | like with gcc? |
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| 01:11.21 | pickcoder | hrm.. teaching != instructing |
| 01:11.38 | me_here | is subscription to linux gazette free ? |
| 01:11.42 | me_here | nope there's a debian package wich is named lg-subscribe, i ask therefore |
| 01:12.02 | me_here | lol |
| 01:12.05 | hesco | I want to add svn with apache support to an existing production server, but apt-get install libapache2-svn wants to remove libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-security and mod-security-common. Is there any way to avoid this? |
| 01:12.10 | pickcoder | subscription doesn't always == cash required |
| 01:12.27 | pickcoder | I have many scriptions to DB mags that are sponsor paid |
| 01:12.38 | pickcoder | gah.. subscriptions |
| 01:12.46 | me_here | ah ok |
| 01:12.49 | me_here | lol |
| 01:13.04 | kombi | unlink: like gcc mod_layout.c ? |
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| 01:13.46 | hesco | I guess I'm less concerned about losing libapache2-mod-php5, as its not even listed in apt-cache show or search |
| 01:13.51 | DavidProck1981 | any one know when etch is going to be finalized |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:14.08 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 01:14.34 | pickcoder | hesco: is something else replacing php5? |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | hesco: paste the whole thing somewhere |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:14.47 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:14.53 | pickcoder | sounds like a dep bug |
| 01:15.11 | hesco | pickcoder: no, nothing |
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| 01:15.24 | pickcoder | hesco: Etch? |
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| 01:16.30 | hesco | I didn't build this server, but I think I was the one who rebuilt th kernel a few times. uname -a says: 2.4.32, built this past April. |
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| 01:16.59 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel |
| 01:17.27 | pickcoder | eep.. Sarge then.. php5 isn't on Sarge |
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| 01:17.28 | pickcoder | abrotman: it could be a kernel.org build |
| 01:17.28 | pickcoder | via make-kpkg |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: it would have to be :) |
| 01:17.28 | pickcoder | well.. yeah.. |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | hesco: dpkg -l *php* .. paste it for us |
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| 01:18.04 | hesco | dpkg -l php |
| 01:18.05 | hesco | No packages found matching php. |
| 01:18.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching php |
| 01:18.16 | hesco | but that's weird. |
| 01:18.31 | unlink | kombi: yes, but with the proper flags |
| 01:18.32 | liable | dpkg -l |grep php |
| 01:18.32 | dpkg | ii |grep php 3.3-11.2 liable's private gamp collection |
| 01:18.43 | liable | ohnos, not the gamp! |
| 01:18.59 | liable | !dict gamp |
| 01:19.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gamp' colloquial terms for an umbrella [syn: {brolly}] |
| 01:19.05 | hesco | perhaps our php was built from upstream source. b/c php -i tells all |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | hesco: not if it's trying to remove it |
| 01:19.21 | pickcoder | hesco: good luck fixing depend problems with aptitude then |
| 01:19.25 | pickcoder | or apt |
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| 01:19.42 | devicenull | . |
| 01:19.43 | pickcoder | unless it was installed in a /usr/local path |
| 01:19.49 | devicenull | well, that was interesting |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | pickcoder: apt is trying to remove it |
| 01:20.00 | hesco | no, when I grep'd for php, it did return a large number of php packages. |
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| 01:20.05 | abrotman | hesco: paste the whole error for us |
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| 01:20.07 | devicenull | I was apparently banned for using irc from a root account.. but it let me join the channel |
| 01:20.10 | hesco | paste |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:20.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:20.17 | pickcoder | hesco: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:20.25 | hesco | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:20.57 | defi__3x | Easy question guys, when you apply a patch lets say 2.6.16.37 are you also applying every patch below that? |
| 01:21.17 | blorp | yes |
| 01:21.24 | defi__3x | ok |
| 01:21.31 | devicenull | I'm having problems with usb.. lsusb returns nothing, lspci shows two usb controllers detected.. lsusb -t says cannot open /proc/bus/usb/device |
| 01:21.31 | blorp | for kernels at least |
| 01:21.31 | defi__3x | thought so but wasn't sure |
| 01:21.47 | devicenull | I've done modprobe usbcore already.. didn't help |
| 01:22.03 | h3sp4wn | defi__3x: That would apply to 2.6.16 - there are incremental patches also (say 2.6.16.36 to 2.6.16.37) |
| 01:22.52 | devicenull | any suggestions? |
| 01:22.54 | cydork | devicenull: usbfs is not loaded check mount if anything is mounted on /proc/bus/usb |
| 01:23.01 | po0 | i burned a 3.5GB movie @ 16X = 22 mins, is this normal or slow? |
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| 01:23.14 | abrotman | did you load uhci or ehci ? |
| 01:23.26 | devicenull | cydork: procbususb is mounted there |
| 01:24.06 | devicenull | uhci_hcd, ohci_hcd, ehci_hcd are all loaded |
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| 01:24.33 | cydork | devicenull: does /proc/bus/usb/device exist? |
| 01:24.35 | pickcoder | 12 * 150Kb/sec |
| 01:24.50 | devicenull | no |
| 01:24.57 | devicenull | ./proc/bus/usb is empty |
| 01:25.16 | krenin | Hello. I have heard of a Debian package that goes through and uninstall unneeded .deb library packages. Can anyone tell me the name of it? |
| 01:25.27 | rahul | deborphan |
| 01:25.33 | rahul | and use aptitude from now on :) |
| 01:25.34 | krenin | rahul: thanks dude |
| 01:25.47 | hesco | well that's weird. My shells are working, this IRC channel is working, but my browser, when attempting to reach the pastebin, got stopped at my router trying to resolve the name. I wonder what that would be about. |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | try pastebin.ca |
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| 01:26.50 | krenin | I'm downloading a set of testing DVD isos so I can use apt-build on them and if it works, repeat the process every few months |
| 01:27.15 | krenin | ...So I don't have to compile over and over and over again. |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | why? |
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| 01:27.49 | pickcoder | actually for single-layer DVD writes @ 16x it should be around 21MB/s |
| 01:27.51 | pickcoder | hm |
| 01:27.53 | krenin | So that the packages will be compiled for my processor architecture. |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | krenin: #gentoo is ---> way |
| 01:28.00 | devicenull | so any more suggestions about usb? |
| 01:28.18 | krenin | Gentoo seems too involved on the installations part. |
| 01:28.21 | pickcoder | that can't be right |
| 01:28.26 | rahul | people actually think that makes a diff in 90% of apps? |
| 01:28.32 | krenin | can do the processor optimizations with deb if i can ever get it right |
| 01:28.33 | pickcoder | oh that's read speed |
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| 01:28.43 | rahul | the only thing it's better for is probably video/audio en/decoding and bzip2 |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | krenin: but why are you downloading ISOs ? |
| 01:28.54 | robin_sz | krenin, ok, astound us, what architecture do you have |
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| 01:29.15 | krenin | abrotman: So that I can get it compiled every few months instead of having it recompile too often (takes too long) |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 01:29.25 | dpkg | apt-build is, like, an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | krenin: you're wasting your time .. or go use gentoo |
| 01:29.47 | robin_sz | krenin, ok, astound us, what architecture do you have |
| 01:29.51 | rahul | krenin: um... then pin those packages to testing. |
| 01:30.02 | liable | !gentoosmite krenin |
| 01:30.06 | liable | someone had to do it |
| 01:30.14 | krenin | robin_sz: Not so astounding, but I am going to compile for a pentium-mmx 233 mHz (my home server), k6-3 (bedroom PC), and Duron 1.2 gHz |
| 01:30.21 | abrotman | hahah |
| 01:30.22 | teledyn_ | hehe |
| 01:30.26 | krenin | Nah it runs a bit faster, I've tested it some already. |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | wow .. total waste of time |
| 01:30.30 | devicenull | usb is the only thing stopping me from using my system... |
| 01:30.34 | robin_sz | quite |
| 01:30.51 | liable | devicenull: what is wrong with your usb? |
| 01:31.16 | devicenull | lsusb returns nothing |
| 01:31.19 | krenin | If it turns out to not work well for me, I'll go back to using regular i386 packages. I have noticed a speed increase in compiling xorg, its running better I think. |
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| 01:31.37 | devicenull | lsusb -t says /proc/bus/usb/devices doesnt exist (which it doesnt) |
| 01:31.38 | robin_sz | the key phrase there is "i think" |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | krenin: you think .. but you haven't actually quantified it .. |
| 01:32.01 | krenin | Windows move speedier, so it's not just my imagination. |
| 01:32.07 | DAC1 | can I have a TRIHEAD system (using a dual head Matrox Millenium 400g and one Nvidia PCI) ? |
| 01:32.15 | krenin | Well I noticed it, I didn't put a timer on it or whatever. |
| 01:32.19 | robin_sz | krenin, what figures do you have to support that? |
| 01:32.22 | mentor | buu: doh |
| 01:32.26 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull: is your USB ports built into the mother board OR are they on a pci card |
| 01:32.31 | robin_sz | krenin, run glxgears |
| 01:32.41 | hesco | from a shell host <domain.name.com> and host <domain.name.com> <my.dns.server> both are very responsive. But any attempt to load a page in the browser is resulting in a an error, reading: "The operation timed out when attempting to contact gateway.2wire.net." |
| 01:32.44 | devicenull | DavidProck1981: built into MB |
| 01:32.47 | hesco | what would that be about? |
| 01:33.04 | devicenull | I can use the keyboard attached to them fine in grub and windows, so it's not hardware |
| 01:33.04 | pickcoder | DAC1: you can have as many monitors as you want on Xorg, afaik but you'll have to setup them up manually |
| 01:33.10 | krenin | That reminds me, I've got a new video card to install on this P.C. sometime soon. There isn't a 3d driver for my built-in video system. |
| 01:33.22 | pickcoder | gah.. set them up |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | krenin: quantify it .. or else we're just going to keep making fun of you |
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| 01:33.40 | robin_sz | hesco, so is this firefox? |
| 01:33.52 | krenin | Oh well. |
| 01:34.14 | DAC1 | pickcoder: thanks - so I can have 3 monitors - sweeeeeet ! |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | krenin: that URL above .. shows you how to do the whole system with apt-build |
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| 01:34.48 | Asc | Need help with configuring Xorg. I'm using an old ATI card; I don't need video acceleration, just a working X server. config is here http://pastebin.com/852399, Xorg log (with ati driver because I don't know what else to use) is here http://pastebin.com/852402 |
| 01:34.50 | pickcoder | DAC1: I would verify it on the xorg channel or do some googling for example tri-head setups |
| 01:34.59 | liable | devicenull: debian kernel? |
| 01:34.59 | pickcoder | I know I've seen some in the recent past |
| 01:35.00 | hesco | robin_sz: seamonkey, actually. |
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| 01:35.06 | krenin | abrotman: Yeah, I've already looked at it; that's what I'm going to try. |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | krenin: saves you a lot of bandwidth over downloading ISOs |
| 01:35.30 | hesco | I just got a call from a friend and have to go watch her kids for a bit. I'll be back to this later. Thanks. |
| 01:35.44 | maddash | asc: you need the input drivers |
| 01:35.52 | maddash | asc: take note of lines 250 and 254 |
| 01:36.03 | maddash | asc: in the xorg log, I mean |
| 01:36.21 | devicenull | liable: 2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 01:36.28 | maddash | asc: issue, "sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse" |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | !find usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so etch |
| 01:36.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so) in x11/xserver-xorg-input-kbd. |
| 01:36.48 | liable | devicenull: is proc mounted at all? |
| 01:37.04 | liable | devicenull: is this a chroot or something? |
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| 01:37.16 | devicenull | liable: no this isnt a chroot |
| 01:37.20 | Asc | maddash, heh, thanks. I guess those would help.... |
| 01:37.29 | maddash | !chroot |
| 01:37.29 | dpkg | chroot is probably a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 01:37.31 | devicenull | proc is mounted, as well as /proc/bus/usb |
| 01:37.35 | maddash | asc: anytime. |
| 01:37.36 | me_here | Ich denke meine Eltern kennen Ihre should be ok too |
| 01:37.38 | me_here | ups |
| 01:37.52 | DavidProck1981 | does any one here have the nForce 680i motherboard |
| 01:38.08 | devicenull | unless the etch install configures a chroot by default |
| 01:38.11 | liable | devicenull: and all usb modules are loaded? |
| 01:38.20 | devicenull | all the ones I've found, uh.. |
| 01:38.27 | Asc | maddash: Aand it started. Now I feel very dumb. I'd been discounting those because trying other drivers didn't bring up those errors. |
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| 01:38.45 | Asc | Well, not discounting, but nothing really useful turned up when I googled them. |
| 01:38.47 | pickcoder | devicenull: what part of USB isn't working? |
| 01:38.58 | devicenull | lsmod | grep usb returns usbkbd, usbmouse, usbhid |
| 01:39.11 | devicenull | pickcoder: nothing is being detected.. theres 5 devices attached to my system via usb. |
| 01:39.21 | devicenull | and I can't find/use any of them |
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| 01:39.26 | maddash | asc: barebones install of etch? |
| 01:39.31 | liable | devicenull: usbcore? |
| 01:40.03 | devicenull | modprobe usbcore says it isnt found |
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| 01:40.24 | liable | eh? |
| 01:40.31 | devicenull | and its not shown in the lsmod list |
| 01:40.38 | Asc | maddash: I did a net install from floppies. I selected the 'desktop' (and a few other) options in the 'select and install software' stage, but the modem did disconnect a few times while downloading everything. |
| 01:40.44 | pickcoder | devicenull: modprobe it |
| 01:40.46 | liable | modprobe -l |grep usb |
| 01:40.54 | maxamillion | i have an older sony laptop with a transmeta crusoe processor in it and the cd-rom drive is an external pcmcia and the image will boot and the installer will load, but when it probes for the cd-rom drive the installer can't find it ... any suggestions? |
| 01:40.56 | pickcoder | usbcore has to be loaded |
| 01:41.14 | devicenull | liable: nothign |
| 01:41.20 | devicenull | pickcoder: tries, says it cant be found |
| 01:41.21 | maddash | anyone here know how I could get ~/.xsession executed? /etc/X11/Xsession.options has "allow-user-xsession" already... |
| 01:41.26 | devicenull | I cant find it in /lib/modules either |
| 01:41.31 | liable | devicenull: bizzare |
| 01:41.32 | maddash | but .xsession still isn't executed |
| 01:41.35 | unlink | .xinitrc? |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 01:41.38 | dpkg | well, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 01:41.43 | pickcoder | updatedb;locate usbcore.ko |
| 01:41.45 | cydork | devicenull: which kernel are you using? |
| 01:41.50 | maddash | asc: wow floppies? how many did you need? |
| 01:41.53 | devicenull | 2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 01:41.56 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull: what all have you did to the system around the time your USB Ports stoped working |
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| 01:42.06 | abrotman | maddash: two if you're lucky |
| 01:42.07 | devicenull | DavidProck1981: I just installed etch two hours ago |
| 01:42.10 | devicenull | so nothing |
| 01:42.14 | pickcoder | wait |
| 01:42.19 | pickcoder | devicenull: is this amd64? |
| 01:42.22 | devicenull | yes |
| 01:42.27 | pickcoder | locate usbcore.o |
| 01:42.28 | maddash | abrotman: was that an answer to my question? |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | maddash: yes |
| 01:42.37 | maddash | unlink: .xinitrc doesn't work either |
| 01:42.38 | devicenull | updatedb is still running |
| 01:42.41 | pickcoder | ok |
| 01:42.49 | jelly-home | Hi, is this the place for an argument? |
| 01:42.57 | pickcoder | if locate can't find it then you may want to upgrade your kernel package |
| 01:42.58 | Asc | maddash: Well it was a net install. Four floppies; two for getting the system started, two for net device drivers |
| 01:42.59 | maddash | abrotman: I don't startx...wdm loads automatically |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: does it look like it?!! |
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| 01:43.07 | pickcoder | I'm running 2.6.18 |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | maddash: imeant about the floppies |
| 01:43.11 | pickcoder | generic amd64 |
| 01:43.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: sure does |
| 01:43.15 | maddash | asc: etch? |
| 01:43.16 | DAC1 | so guys - when is Etch going to be released - so we can plan for a worldwide DEBIAN GNU/LINUX INSTALLERFEST |
| 01:43.17 | Asc | maddash: and 40 hours for downloading everything over 56K |
| 01:43.19 | Asc | maddash, yeah |
| 01:43.21 | devicenull | yea, cant find any usbcore stuff |
| 01:43.22 | maddash | asc: wow. |
| 01:43.22 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull: so on your previous install , before you formated the usb prots worked fine? |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | DAC1: when it's DONE |
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| 01:43.33 | devicenull | DavidProck1981: there was no previous install |
| 01:43.38 | maddash | asc: it's outrageous how I had to download ~120 mb for the net install cd |
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| 01:43.49 | maddash | asc: then again, my thinkpad can't eat floppies |
| 01:43.49 | pickcoder | devicenull: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:43.59 | devicenull | 4.0 |
| 01:44.06 | DAC1 | abrotman: I understand that - but when - you think during summer 2006 ? |
| 01:44.12 | jetscreamer | i have a dvd i burned with k3b when etch was newish. i can't read it on my debian box but the win laptop reads it just fine :/ |
| 01:44.13 | pickcoder | that's what I have running on a brand new Xeon box here |
| 01:44.16 | pickcoder | no usb problems |
| 01:44.22 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull before you install etch 2 hour agao what was you runing? |
| 01:44.24 | Asc | maddash: Well, you've got to download everything sooner or later. Unless you're planning to just use the base system or something. |
| 01:44.29 | devicenull | DavidProck1981: windows |
| 01:44.31 | pickcoder | but I'm on the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 01:44.32 | liable | pickcoder: reinstall the kernel |
| 01:44.34 | devicenull | and usb still works in windows |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | DAC1: just as soon as RC bugs hit zero .. you can help if you want :) |
| 01:44.40 | liable | devicenull: reinstall the kernel |
| 01:44.41 | jelly-home | DAC1: you have a time machine? |
| 01:44.42 | DavidProck1981 | oohhhh |
| 01:44.43 | liable | pickcoder: sorry |
| 01:44.44 | scx | How do I find a processor is 939 or 754 ... |
| 01:44.45 | Asc | maddash: I think the base system is like 80MBish... that might have been for sarge though |
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| 01:44.58 | pickcoder | scx: look at the box.. <g> |
| 01:45.01 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.06 | devicenull | linux-image is being kept back by apt |
| 01:45.08 | devicenull | let me see why |
| 01:45.09 | maddash | asc: yep. boots insanely fast. like in the time it takes to boot ubuntu-server, I can boot about 5 etches in serial order |
| 01:45.19 | pickcoder | scx: what's the cpuid |
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| 01:45.44 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how do I ignore a user? /ignore user doenst seem to work |
| 01:45.45 | scx | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor |
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| 01:45.53 | scx | I guess is 939 |
| 01:46.01 | scx | but it's aremote machine |
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| 01:46.14 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull one sec I got an idea |
| 01:46.14 | pickcoder | yeah it's 39 |
| 01:46.15 | scx | so I can not take a look |
| 01:46.15 | pickcoder | 939 |
| 01:46.25 | DAC1 | abrotman: I want - |
| 01:46.27 | jetscreamer | amd 64's come in 2 die types |
| 01:46.28 | devicenull | I'm going to install linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 01:46.30 | pickcoder | but you can be sure based on cpuid |
| 01:46.33 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: does /help ignore work for you? |
| 01:46.35 | jetscreamer | 939 and someother.. 754? |
| 01:46.40 | Asc | maddash: Hum. I'm using a standard desktop install, but the boot was a lot slower than my Ubuntu box that's five times as fast. Uh.... |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | DAC1: okay .. so either help .. or be patient |
| 01:46.45 | maxamillion | can i install debian off an usb drive? .. if so, is there something i need to do other than just put the iso image on the pen drive? |
| 01:46.47 | mnuhmnuh | ^X |
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| 01:47.03 | scx | pickcoder: thank you |
| 01:47.04 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: actually, amd64 comes in a few others |
| 01:47.05 | Asc | maddash: It looks as though I can't make a useful comparison :) |
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| 01:47.19 | maddash | asc: weird... |
| 01:47.27 | scx | maxamillion: is there someway I can get that info? |
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| 01:47.28 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: maybe /IGNORE nick!*@* ALL |
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| 01:47.31 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: the opteron (which is still amd64 has a different slot) and then there is the am2 standard |
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| 01:47.39 | maxamillion | scx: take your machine apart |
| 01:47.51 | pickcoder | AM4 too |
| 01:47.51 | scx | remote machine!!! |
| 01:48.01 | sanmarcos-trabaj | jelly-home, thank you! |
| 01:48.09 | maxamillion | pickcoder: that one new? ... i am apparently not up on my hardware :( |
| 01:48.11 | pickcoder | the Opteron is 940 only afaik |
| 01:48.17 | jelly-home | scx: find out which motherboard, then google the specs? |
| 01:48.21 | scx | I mean, I think it is 939, but I want to know how can I retrive that info |
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| 01:48.28 | pickcoder | AM2 too now.. |
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| 01:48.30 | pickcoder | that's new |
| 01:48.36 | pickcoder | I guess they're all going to AM2 |
| 01:48.39 | pickcoder | which will be nice |
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| 01:48.57 | vostorga | beeer!!! |
| 01:49.01 | pickcoder | scx: you need to find out the exact speed and cpuid |
| 01:49.06 | pickcoder | scx: cpuinfo will tell you |
| 01:49.11 | pickcoder | scx: then use google with that info |
| 01:49.23 | jetscreamer | i believe! :) |
| 01:49.36 | maxamillion | pickcoder: will cpuinfo tell the socket type? |
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| 01:49.41 | pickcoder | no |
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| 01:50.13 | pickcoder | jelly-home: how can you tell which motherboard it is? |
| 01:50.17 | pickcoder | jelly-home: <g> |
| 01:50.21 | devicenull | rebooting for new kernel./ |
| 01:50.26 | jelly-home | pickcoder: open it up! :-) |
| 01:50.27 | maxamillion | pickcoder: i think that's the info scx wanted |
| 01:50.34 | pickcoder | jelly-home: it's a remote box |
| 01:50.45 | jelly-home | pickcoder: I know <g> |
| 01:50.52 | pickcoder | heh |
| 01:51.00 | jelly-home | seriously, lshw or dmidecode |
| 01:51.01 | pickcoder | brb |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | !fight jelly-home |
| 01:52.30 | jelly-home | !bite me |
| 01:52.34 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull run lspci and paste the result here http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see if any other hardware is not usported, just maby you have another hardware problem that you need to solve before the usb will work, windows is sometimes like that LOL |
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| 01:53.12 | devicenull | Nope, still no usb with the new kernel |
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| 01:53.19 | maddash | !jump |
| 01:53.20 | dpkg | How high? |
| 01:53.20 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull run lspci and paste the result here http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see if any other hardware is not usported, just maby you have another hardware problem that you need to solve before the usb will work, windows is sometimes like that LOL |
| 01:53.27 | maddash | !jump 3 km |
| 01:53.27 | dpkg | Whee! |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about repeat |
| 01:53.33 | devicenull | how do I paste for console? |
| 01:53.35 | jelly-home | !go ahead and jump |
| 01:53.35 | devicenull | *from |
| 01:53.41 | maddash | !gentoo |
| 01:53.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 01:53.48 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:53.57 | wastrel | devicenull: gpm adds mouse support for console |
| 01:53.59 | maddash | lol |
| 01:54.04 | dondelelcaro | maddash: use /msg if you must. |
| 01:54.09 | liable | maddash: stop it, you can play with the bots in #debian-bots if you like |
| 01:54.17 | maddash | liable: I wasn't playing... |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | what was it ? |
| 01:54.25 | dondelelcaro | liable: #debian-bots isn't for playing either... |
| 01:54.27 | maddash | liable: i was looking for the gentoo port to debian |
| 01:54.30 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman I DID NOT KNOW IT BUT HE WAS OUT OF THE ROOM THE FIRST TIME I SENT THE MESSAGE, YOU SAW THAT YOUR SELF, DON'T START WITH ME!!! |
| 01:54.35 | devicenull | wastrel: the probelm with that is my mouse is USB |
| 01:54.40 | liable | dondelelcaro: oh, whats it for then? |
| 01:54.42 | jelly-home | whoa |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: your capslock is broken |
| 01:54.45 | jetscreamer | liable: no, they started bitching about playing with the bots in #debian-bots too |
| 01:54.46 | Gnea | hrmm |
| 01:54.47 | mnuhmnuh | jelly-home: Thanks for lshw. I thought that project had died. |
| 01:54.48 | maxamillion | !caps |
| 01:54.48 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 01:54.48 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 01:54.48 | maddash | jelly-home: ditto |
| 01:54.58 | dondelelcaro | liable: for people to debug the bugs, and for people to join who don't want to join another channel that dpkg is on |
| 01:54.58 | liable | jetscreamer: meh :( |
| 01:55.01 | devicenull | so I somehow need to paste to a site without a mouse or X |
| 01:55.08 | dondelelcaro | s/bugs/bots/ |
| 01:55.14 | maddash | ugh |
| 01:55.14 | wastrel | devicenull: pastebin? use #flood perhaps |
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| 01:55.16 | jetscreamer | devicenull: screen |
| 01:55.23 | maddash | does anyone here use gentoo? the fm, I mean |
| 01:55.23 | jetscreamer | or #flood |
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| 01:55.40 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: are you done now? |
| 01:55.52 | DavidProck1981 | uuhhhhh? |
| 01:56.03 | devicenull | how does screen help? |
| 01:56.07 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:56.19 | jetscreamer | do you not have a mouse? |
| 01:56.24 | devicenull | my mouse is USB |
| 01:56.24 | jelly-home | devicenull: screen has mighty copy/pasting abilities |
| 01:56.26 | devicenull | USB doesnt work |
| 01:56.32 | devicenull | hence the problem :P |
| 01:56.34 | jjazz | devicenull: C-a [ enters copy mode |
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| 01:57.05 | jetscreamer | jjazz meant in screen, i think... |
| 01:57.07 | devicenull | ah |
| 01:57.09 | devicenull | that makes sense |
| 01:57.10 | jjazz | ya |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | jjazz: hiya |
| 01:57.22 | jjazz | abrotman: hi :) |
| 01:57.30 | criminy | oh wow, copy mode. |
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| 01:57.48 | jjazz | abrotman: Just stopped in while making dinner. Brussel sprouts and burgers. |
| 01:57.56 | jelly-home | criminy: yea, and scroll buffer too! |
| 01:57.59 | jetscreamer | mmm brussel sprouts |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | jjazz: do they go on the burger ? |
| 01:58.23 | criminy | how do you use the scroll buffer? |
| 01:58.32 | rahul | A Brot Man should go aorund the burger |
| 01:58.34 | jjazz | abrotman: no, but I might tell my gf they're going in. |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:58.57 | jelly-home | criminy: go up in copy mode |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | rahul: i'm not german ... |
| 01:59.04 | jjazz | My only fear is she'll be disappointed when they arrive on the side. |
| 01:59.08 | rahul | abrotman: now you are. |
| 01:59.19 | DavidProck1981 | devicenull so did you say on the boot menu your mouse and kbd work? |
| 01:59.22 | criminy | ohhh ohkay |
| 01:59.40 | criminy | thanks |
| 01:59.48 | jelly-home | criminy: PageUp / PageDown might also work in copy mode if you're lucky |
| 01:59.53 | criminy | they did |
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| 02:01.01 | jetscreamer | rahul: it's ab-rot-man dammit! |
| 02:01.06 | jetscreamer | rotted abs |
| 02:01.15 | rahul | bread |
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| 02:01.47 | DavidProck1981 | later |
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| 02:03.18 | devicenull | nothing explicitly says it doesnt wrk |
| 02:03.29 | devicenull | aw, he left |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | devicenull: lspci shows usb controllers ? |
| 02:03.57 | devicenull | yes |
| 02:04.46 | devicenull | I havent been able to find a usbcore file though |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | devicenull: dmesg say anything about them ? |
| 02:04.49 | devicenull | which seems weird to me |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | devicenull: uname -a |
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| 02:05.21 | devicenull | about them specifcally, no |
| 02:05.43 | devicenull | 2.6.18-3-amd64 kernel |
| 02:05.55 | devicenull | SMP, x86_64 |
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| 02:06.26 | pickcoder | that's what I have |
| 02:06.34 | devicenull | retyping the entire thing would be annoying |
| 02:06.42 | pickcoder | dpkg -l | grep usb |
| 02:06.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep usb |
| 02:07.38 | jetscreamer | !info usbview |
| 02:07.46 | liable | dpkg: ask in the 64 channel, they might have a clue whats going on |
| 02:07.47 | devicenull | libusb-0.1-4 and usbutils |
| 02:07.51 | liable | devicenull: ^^ |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | devicenull: shuld have a usbcore |
| 02:08.00 | devicenull | abrotman: I dont.. |
| 02:08.09 | devicenull | updatedb then locate usbcore returns nothing |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | devicenull: updatedb && locate usbcore |
| 02:08.43 | pickcoder | it's gotta be there |
| 02:08.54 | inetd | whats a good bittorrent client CLI (like for irc irssi) |
| 02:09.00 | devicenull | abrotman: nothing |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | rtorrent ? |
| 02:09.15 | jetscreamer | rtorrent, bittornado, qtorrent,others |
| 02:09.25 | inetd | thanks will check it out now |
| 02:09.26 | devicenull | find / | grep -i usbcore returns only a directory in /sys |
| 02:09.35 | inetd | what about for mp3? :) |
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| 02:10.10 | abrotman | what for what mp3 ? |
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| 02:10.37 | jetscreamer | usbview - USB device viewer btw |
| 02:10.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg laaaaaged |
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| 02:11.07 | devicenull | jetscreamer: I think the problem is my lack of a usbcore module |
| 02:11.30 | jetscreamer | self compiled kernel? |
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| 02:11.52 | geo-rge | !etch key |
| 02:11.53 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:12.05 | devicenull | jetscreamer: no |
| 02:12.33 | jetscreamer | so just out of curiosity, did you try to modprobe it? |
| 02:12.41 | liable | laters |
| 02:12.50 | devicenull | yes |
| 02:12.53 | snowbird | hey liable |
| 02:12.57 | devicenull | and I've triedto locate it on disk |
| 02:13.04 | BigBamBo | Hello does any one know which package has xorg SDK |
| 02:13.08 | devicenull | ' |
| 02:13.14 | jetscreamer | xorg-dev maybe not sure |
| 02:13.24 | dpkg | usbview: (USB device viewer), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 02:13.32 | snowbird | liable |
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| 02:13.56 | jetscreamer | /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko |
| 02:13.58 | jetscreamer | here |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | $ grep CONFIG_USB= /boot/config-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 02:14.14 | jetscreamer | [20.14.17] <liable> laters |
| 02:14.14 | jetscreamer | [20.14.24] <-- liable has quit ("Lost terminal") |
| 02:14.20 | devicenull | jetscreamer: it's not there |
| 02:14.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not at packages.d.o either |
| 02:14.43 | snowbird | kk jetscreamer |
| 02:15.00 | jetscreamer | if it was me, i'd either be installing/reinstalling a kernel, or compiling one |
| 02:15.03 | devicenull | I dont even have a core directory |
| 02:15.06 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | it's not there ... |
| 02:15.21 | jetscreamer | i saw an amd 64 once |
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| 02:15.36 | jelly-home | usbview Candidate: 1.0-7 in testing at ftp.de.debian.org |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | /tmp/blah/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb$ ls |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | atm class gadget host image input misc net serial storage |
| 02:16.21 | devicenull | config_usb=y |
| 02:16.28 | abrotman | then it's compiled in |
| 02:16.29 | devicenull | in the boot confing |
| 02:17.16 | jetscreamer | there goes the renegade who had it made |
| 02:17.24 | nn-main | how do i compile a package |
| 02:17.28 | pickcoder | devicenull: there is no usb core.. I was mistaken |
| 02:17.33 | pickcoder | it's in the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | it's compiled in |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | devicenull: dmesg | grep usb |
| 02:17.58 | devicenull | ok, then my usb isnt working :P |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | erm .. grep -i usb |
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| 02:18.27 | devicenull | two messages from usbcore |
| 02:18.34 | pickcoder | I have PS2 kb and mouse so I can't test the human interface module |
| 02:18.38 | devicenull | usbmon: debugfs not available |
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| 02:18.47 | devicenull | and an ohci_hcd initalization message |
| 02:18.49 | devicenull | thats it |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | is usbhid loaded ? |
| 02:18.57 | maxamillion | the debian sarge installer still offers a 2.4 kernel right? |
| 02:19.03 | snowbird | i couldn't get my usb reconized |
| 02:19.05 | jetscreamer | btw, it 'just work' on non-64bit, and there is a module |
| 02:19.09 | jetscreamer | works |
| 02:19.18 | devicenull | yes it is loaded |
| 02:19.30 | pickcoder | usbhid is a module on 2.6.18 amd64 |
| 02:19.33 | jetscreamer | yes maxamillion it's the default |
| 02:19.38 | jetscreamer | you have to specify a 2.6 |
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| 02:19.46 | devicenull | er /proc/bus/usb is still empty |
| 02:20.01 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: ok ... couldn't remember, haven't done an install in ... uhmmm, 4 years now |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | devicenull: paste lspci somewhere |
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| 02:20.19 | devicenull | ok, hold on |
| 02:20.20 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: thanks ... laters :) |
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| 02:20.23 | jetscreamer | maxamillion: when the cd boots, hit f1,f2, et al |
| 02:20.26 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 02:21.12 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 02:21.49 | devicenull | www.ampaste.net/5756 |
| 02:22.01 | devicenull | ^^lspci |
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| 02:24.08 | abrotman | devicenull: you might want to ask #debian-amd64 on OFTC |
| 02:25.03 | devicenull | oftc? |
| 02:25.07 | inetd | whats the mp3 player and torrent app on this screenshot? http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/crazy.torrent.png |
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| 02:25.19 | geo-rge | google it... it's ther |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | devicenull: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:26.25 | devicenull | ok |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | devicenull: i wonder if that USB controller isn't supported |
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| 02:28.02 | devicenull | it's a possiblity, I've read online of people with the same MB not having any problems with debian |
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| 02:29.19 | devicenull | it's a nforce chipset, which I thought was pretty common |
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| 02:35.09 | mnuhmnuh | meta: I'm reading http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PoundDebianGuidelines ... broken links to http://ursine.dyndns.org/Away ... fyi. |
| 02:35.20 | devicenull | I'm going to go hunt down a ps2 mouse for now |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | !USB mouse |
| 02:35.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 02:36.15 | dondelelcaro | hrm... probably need to ditch the MAKDEV instructions there. |
| 02:36.35 | geo-rge | as you can see, with the appropriate modules inserted, usb shouldn't be a problem |
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| 02:36.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, usb mouse is <reply> see usbmouse |
| 02:36.48 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 02:36.50 | devicenull | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.50 | dpkg | [usbmouse] [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 02:36.50 | pablo_ | kde vs gnome |
| 02:37.21 | devicenull | geo-rge: someone forgot to tell my computer that |
| 02:37.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: usbmouse =~ s#cd /dev#If you are not using udev or devfs, cd /dev# |
| 02:37.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 02:37.31 | geo-rge | pablo_: #kde #gnome |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | makedev is fun! |
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| 02:37.59 | geo-rge | devicenull: newcomer to linux? |
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| 02:38.12 | devicenull | not really |
| 02:38.29 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: usbmouse =~ s#[2] If you are not using udev or devfs, cd /dev#If you are using udev or devfs, skip to [5]. [2] cd /dev# |
| 02:38.29 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 02:38.32 | devicenull | I'm just failing at getting usb to work for some reason |
| 02:38.57 | geo-rge | how might you find that reason? |
| 02:39.12 | geo-rge | (it is the first piece of info you need) |
| 02:39.27 | devicenull | geo-rge: searching returns nothing |
| 02:39.35 | devicenull | I've tried every suggestion I've heard here :P |
| 02:40.26 | devicenull | about the only thing I can think of is a faulty bios setting |
| 02:40.30 | geo-rge | welp... I can't help, myself... coupla reasons: no information, lack of time |
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| 02:41.20 | geo-rge | that's definitely possible |
| 02:41.37 | geo-rge | btw, when you do ls /dev/input/mice, what does it say |
| 02:41.57 | devicenull | it exists |
| 02:42.07 | geo-rge | howbout when you cat it? |
| 02:42.11 | devicenull | but I just plugged a ps2 mouse in |
| 02:42.37 | devicenull | besides, I would think lsusb would show something before my mouse started working |
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| 02:43.02 | geo-rge | with the machine on? please be careful there... ps2 was not designed to be hotplugged... likely, no damage... but possible, motherboard damage |
| 02:43.31 | geo-rge | I mean, I used to do it all the time with no problem... but I guess I was lucky |
| 02:43.37 | jelly-home | geo-rge: that was relevant for what, 386? |
| 02:43.40 | devicenull | I've been doing it for years, so I'm not worried |
| 02:44.02 | devicenull | I used to kick my mouse cord out all the time |
| 02:44.08 | geo-rge | jelly-home: ps2 was never designed to be hotplugged afaik |
| 02:44.14 | search_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.30 | devicenull | search_: amd64/ |
| 02:44.33 | devicenull | ? |
| 02:44.49 | search_ | no. i686 |
| 02:44.57 | devicenull | damn |
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| 02:46.06 | abrotman | still could be the same motherboard .. amd64 can run i386 code |
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| 02:46.26 | devicenull | yea |
| 02:46.30 | pablo_ | how do i install the java compiler? |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | devicenull: paste lspci and lspci -n somewhere |
| 02:46.43 | Asc | Our 68K mac had problems with hotplugging PS/2, but I haven't seen such in anything more recent. |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | pablo_: /msg dpkg install java |
| 02:46.52 | devicenull | www.ampaste.net/5756 <-- lspci |
| 02:46.55 | devicenull | lemme get -n |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | put them both in one if you can |
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| 02:47.34 | pablo_ | abrotman: apt? |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | pablo_: milk ? |
| 02:47.50 | search_ | devicenull:I cannot use my usb port in debian but in ubuntu it is fine. does anyone know why? |
| 02:48.02 | devicenull | search_: no, I'm having problems with usb too though |
| 02:48.49 | pablo_ | abrotman: i didnt undersntabd how to install the java compiler |
| 02:49.02 | devicenull | www.ampaste.net/5761 <-- lspci and lspci -n |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | !tell pablo_ about install java |
| 02:49.37 | devicenull | surprisingly X worked with very little extra configuration.. usually i have to fight with it |
| 02:49.39 | `6og | does xen work on etch? i want to have some ubuntu+debain+gnewsense systems running in VMs for testing purposes |
| 02:50.21 | h3sp4wn | `6og: Very well here |
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| 02:50.33 | abrotman | devicenull: it's not in my modules.pcimap |
| 02:50.46 | pablo_ | abrotman: but isnt java free now? |
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| 02:50.57 | `6og | h3sp4wn, great. hopefully etch will end up being installable on sparc so i can use it again *grin* |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | partially |
| 02:50.58 | search | I cannot use my usb port in debian but in ubuntu it is fine. does anyone know why? |
| 02:51.03 | jelly-home | hmm. 1. register debain.org domain 2. ? 3. profit! |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | search: errors are helpful ? |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | but it's registered ? |
| 02:51.25 | wastrel | hello |
| 02:51.30 | devicenull | so does that mean that its not supported? |
| 02:51.33 | pablo_ | abrotman: partially? |
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| 02:52.18 | devicenull | ls |
| 02:52.19 | devicenull | er |
| 02:52.20 | devicenull | oops |
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| 02:52.38 | abrotman | devicenull: AFAICT .. it's not .. |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | !java |
| 02:52.43 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 02:53.24 | pablo_ | abrotman: eclipse isnt in etch |
| 02:53.28 | mnuhmnuh | dpkg: good one. |
| 02:53.45 | lkthomas | does anyone using RSA key panel before ? |
| 02:53.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: curses, foiled again! |
| 02:53.48 | search_ | abrotman: type mount and there is no response |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | pablo_: okay .. and ? |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | search: did you load the usb storag emodules ? |
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| 02:54.37 | devicenull | well, that sucks |
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| 02:55.10 | devicenull | hrm, rebooting |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | devicenull: you might want to ask #kernel if it's supported now |
| 02:55.38 | search_ | abrotman: I don't know. how to load that module? |
| 02:55.51 | pablo_ | when i take out the cable to the notebook and use it with the battery it recognices less mhz |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 02:55.57 | jelly-home | !tell search -about ask |
| 02:56.12 | jelly-home | !tell search_ -about ask |
| 02:56.22 | PingFloyd | anyone here run blackbox and been able to get update-menus to work right with it? |
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| 02:57.13 | h3sp4wn | search_: Try a later kernel from bpo (backports.org) if it works with ubuntu I find it hard to believe they wrote the driver |
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| 02:57.37 | abrotman | is search_ using etch or sarge ? |
| 02:57.38 | mnuhmnuh | Ping: consider ~/.config/blackbox |
| 02:57.53 | search_ | i use sid |
| 02:58.17 | jelly-home | search_: hey you told me you used testing |
| 02:58.34 | BigBamBo | does any one know were I can down load xorg SDK ? |
| 02:58.39 | search_ | oh. yes, testing |
| 02:58.55 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | ask #xorg ? |
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| 02:59.59 | BigBamBo | jelly-home:I need it for updating my wacom drivers |
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| 03:00.11 | search_ | h3sp4wn: my kernel is 2.4.26. you mean I need to update to 2.6? |
| 03:00.18 | pablo_ | does sid has any netinstall or i must do a dist upgrade? |
| 03:00.22 | PingFloyd | mnuhmnuh: supposedly, it supposed to support debian's menu (update-menus etc) system. The package for blackbox even install a menu-method script and menu file, but my menu in blackbox only ends up with xterm, restart, and exit even after running update-menus manually |
| 03:01.08 | pablo_ | abrotman: does sid has any netinstall or i must do a dist upgrade? |
| 03:01.13 | PingFloyd | I would think it would at least build "debian menu" after running it |
| 03:01.18 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: drivers as in "kernel modules", or "xorg modules"? |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | pablo_: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 03:02.19 | pablo_ | abrotman: just wanna know |
| 03:02.56 | BigBamBo | jelly-home: it would be xorg modules |
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| 03:03.23 | mnuhmnuh | PingFloyd: so have you tried moving all BB config stuff into ~/.config/blackbox/ and running update-menus ? Worth a try? |
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| 03:03.36 | search_ | abrotman: I use etch. |
| 03:03.41 | PingFloyd | mnuhmnuh: I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 03:03.55 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: I ask 'cause there's also a wacom-kernel-source package |
| 03:04.02 | pablo_ | abrotman: didnt understand |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 03:04.52 | maddash | ugh...I have wdm and icewm installed, and wdm launches itself automatically, so that I don't have to startx. now, how do I get my ~/.xsession executed? |
| 03:05.12 | devicenull | is it likely that compiling my own kernel will fix my usb ports not working? |
| 03:05.26 | devicenull | appparently there have been more then a few people that have etch fully working with my MB |
| 03:05.35 | BigBamBo | jelly-homeI am working with the linuwacom-0.7.6.4 |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | devicenull: ask #kernel |
| 03:05.46 | BigBamBo | jelly-home: I am working with the linuwacom-0.7.6.4 |
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| 03:06.20 | maddash | you guys have etch, right? do your xsessions run at the start? |
| 03:06.39 | jetscreamer | devicenull: it's possible, but it depends if it was the compile in the first place |
| 03:06.48 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: if the dependencies of wacom-kernel-package (0.7.4.1) is to be trusted, you want libx11-dev |
| 03:07.15 | mnuhmnuh | maddash: dpkg -r wdm # then fiddle with ~/.xinitrc and/or ~/.xsession && startx |
| 03:07.18 | Asc | maddash, it tried to when I first booted. I've disabled GDM since then though. |
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| 03:07.42 | search | abrotman: I use etch. could you give me the full name of storage emodules for modprobe |
| 03:07.44 | BigBamBo | Jelly-home: ok I will give it a try |
| 03:07.53 | Asc | rather, the gdm entry in sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:07.59 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager maybe |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 03:08.00 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | those modules .. |
| 03:08.08 | BigBamBo | Jelly-home: Thank you very much |
| 03:08.25 | jetscreamer | or dpkg-reconfigure wdm perhaps |
| 03:08.27 | maddash | mnuhmnuh: not sure I understand you...why do I remove wdm first? |
| 03:08.36 | jetscreamer | or whichever ou want |
| 03:08.44 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: np, that might not be enough though. xorg development is split into lots of -dev packages |
| 03:08.48 | maddash | jetscreamer: that returns nothing... |
| 03:09.01 | maddash | jetscreamer: "sudo dpkg-reconfig wdm", I mean |
| 03:09.09 | jetscreamer | figures |
| 03:09.26 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: wacom-tools 0.7.4.1 is not new enough for you? |
| 03:09.31 | jetscreamer | if you edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and put /path/to/wdm it might work |
| 03:09.34 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:09.43 | maddash | jetscreamer: did you read my original question? |
| 03:09.51 | jetscreamer | but that's where control for which ?dm is loaded on_boot |
| 03:09.56 | jetscreamer | no i just sat down |
| 03:10.17 | maddash | <maddash> ugh...I have wdm and icewm installed, and wdm launches itself automatically, so that I don't have to startx. now, how do I get my ~/.xsession executed? |
| 03:10.36 | search | abrotman: I can see my sda* partitions in my /proc/partitions. but I cannot mount them |
| 03:10.37 | maddash | the problem is that xsession isn't getting executed, when it should |
| 03:10.45 | mnuhmnuh | maddash: sorry, I thought you were asking how to turn off graphical login. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, sorry. :-/ |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | search: why not ? |
| 03:10.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:10.58 | maddash | mnuhmnuh: no, bad wording on my part |
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| 03:11.41 | search | the output is:mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 03:11.42 | jetscreamer | so ~/.icewm/startup won't do what you need, maddash ? |
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| 03:12.13 | maddash | ok, I've got wdm/icewm. This is fine. wdm starts automatically, and since I don't startx, I ought to put my startups into .xsession instead of .xinitrc...problem is, .xsession isn't getting executed.... |
| 03:12.30 | maddash | jetscreamer: does that actually work? |
| 03:12.40 | jetscreamer | yes if you chmod it +x |
| 03:12.54 | BigBamBo | Jelly-home: There are specific drivers I an tring to update |
| 03:13.00 | jetscreamer | it's not there by default iirc you have to create it |
| 03:13.13 | maddash | jetscreamer: if it works, I might use it, except it's too much of a "hacK," if you get what I mean. I still want my xsession to run...like in ubuntu! |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | search: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:13.24 | mnuhmnuh | maddash: feh. this is irc. it's amazing to me that we get anything done this way. :-) |
| 03:13.28 | search | abrotman:besides, using lsmod, I didn't find the usb-storage emodules. I think they are compiled into the kernel already |
| 03:13.36 | wastrel | irc |
| 03:13.52 | search | abrotman: nothing output |
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| 03:14.03 | jetscreamer | maddash: it's a script or whatever, shell script, so you need #!/bin/bash on top |
| 03:14.07 | jetscreamer | also |
| 03:14.11 | jetscreamer | . |
| 03:14.17 | abrotman | search: is the sd_mod loaded ? |
| 03:14.24 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: I'd do "apt-get build-dep wacom-utils", that'll install everything the Debian maintainer uses to build them |
| 03:14.31 | maddash | jetscreamer: yeah, I made sure that the /bin/bash thing was at top |
| 03:14.41 | maddash | jetscreamer: in my .xsession, that is |
| 03:14.56 | jetscreamer | maddash: no i meant the ~/.icewm/startup file |
| 03:15.04 | search | abrotman: modprobe: Can't locate module sd_mod |
| 03:15.31 | BigBamBo | Jelly-home: nice idea |
| 03:15.31 | maddash | jetscreamer, ok, so that too... |
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| 03:15.31 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: also report a wishlist bug that you really want the newer version in Debian as your fancy tablet (or whatever) isn't working properly ;-) |
| 03:15.31 | search | abrotman: is it compiled into the kernel already? |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | might be .. check your config |
| 03:15.48 | BigBamBo | jelly-home: I need to get better at using APT |
| 03:16.06 | BigBamBo | jelly-home: ya that would be nice |
| 03:16.09 | search | so are there other ways to check it? such as cmds? |
| 03:16.16 | jelly-home | BigBamBo: use reportbug for that |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | search: dmesg? /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 03:16.42 | PingFloyd | mnuhmnuh: thanks for the suggestion, I got it to work. I'm not sure if that was what fixed it or if was something else that I did. |
| 03:17.09 | PingFloyd | mnuhmnuh: this time I ran update-menus with -v and it showed that there was a lock file |
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| 03:17.41 | mnuhmnuh | PingFloyd: Praise $DEITY! Cool. |
| 03:17.45 | PingFloyd | so it got me to realize that I had aptitude open on another linux console, appearantly it was tying it up of something |
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| 03:18.02 | PingFloyd | I never knew it was necessary to close aptitude when running that. Now I know :) |
| 03:18.37 | mnuhmnuh | PingFloyd: Ha! Been there, done that. :-) |
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| 03:19.49 | skippy | it seems that apache2.2-common includes mod_authn_dbd; but there's no MySQL DBD included. I just filed a bug, but thought I'd see if anyone knew of any quick fixes or workarounds? |
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| 03:21.33 | peterS | skippy: it's known - apache upstream doesn't distribute mysql support because of the license conflict between the GPL and the Apache license |
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| 03:22.03 | peterS | skippy: the actual license conflict probably doesn't exist, so this is a matter of principle for the Apache Software Foundation that doesn't really apply to Debian. as such, we might work around it in the future |
| 03:22.17 | skippy | peterS, ah. Okay, thanks. The Apache page clearly states that third-parties are permitted to do the comingling, just that ASF-blesses sources won't. |
| 03:22.38 | maddash | uh, stupid question: diff ">" ">>" in xterm? |
| 03:22.56 | peterS | skippy: well, that's my understanding anyway - we just don't link mysql for historical reasons, not for good present reasons |
| 03:22.56 | rahul | man bash |
| 03:23.07 | rahul | and do /Redirection |
| 03:23.29 | peterS | maddash: you don't mean in xterm, you mean in a shell. >> appends to the output file, > truncates it first |
| 03:23.31 | skippy | peterS, is there a means to obtain a pre-compiled DBD with mysql in it somehow? I'd rather not roll my own apache2.2-common |
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| 03:23.51 | maddash | peters: thanks |
| 03:24.23 | peterS | skippy: I need to do some serious work on apache2 before etch is released but the mysql thing isn't necessarily a priority (we have some much worse bugs), so I dunno |
| 03:24.25 | search | abrotman: I have scsi hard disk support in my kernel. so sd_mod is not needed |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 03:25.02 | skippy | peterS, worse bugs?! hogwash! I can't secure my sites, nothing's worse than that!! ;) |
| 03:25.23 | search | no. I have not |
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| 03:25.59 | peterS | skippy: well, specifically upgrade bugs where upgrading from sarge to etch breaks apache. we care more about that than issues concerning new installations. issues with new installations, the admin is _expected_ to have to figure stuff out manually |
| 03:26.09 | cld2 | I cant figure this out. I have the path to a file and Id like to be able to figure out what package it came from. how would I do that? thanks. |
| 03:26.18 | dondelelcaro | cld2: dpkg -S foo/path/to/file |
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| 03:26.24 | dondelelcaro | cld2: man dpkg-query |
| 03:26.32 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: thanks very much. |
| 03:26.40 | skippy | peterS, well, this all resulted for me upgrading from Sarge, where I used libapache2-mod-auth-mysql; but I recognize this is not as serious as some other problems. |
| 03:27.01 | search | abrotman: I think another guy have done this. the debian system was setup by him and he is not here now |
| 03:27.21 | peterS | skippy: errr, does libapache2-mod-auth-mysql no longer work in apache 2.2? |
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| 03:27.35 | skippy | peterS, it was removed when I upgraded. It does not exist in Etch |
| 03:28.01 | skippy | peterS, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 03:28.01 | peterS | skippy: ah, you're right. hmmmm. when you frame it as a sarge upgrade bug you force me to actually care about it (: |
| 03:28.09 | skippy | whoo hoo! ;) |
| 03:28.19 | skippy | i'd be happy with a libapache2.2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 03:28.26 | skippy | I don't need to jump on the DBD bandwagon |
| 03:28.29 | peterS | skippy: btw, if you install the 'devscripts' package, you can use 'rmadison libapache2-mod-auth-mysql' to get even better info |
| 03:28.42 | skippy | oh? I'll look into that. |
| 03:28.57 | peterS | skippy: the problem with mod-auth-anything is that auth has changed significantly between apache 2.0 and 2.2, so a lot of modules needed to be kinda-sorta-rewritten |
| 03:29.36 | peterS | well, rmadison doesn't necessarily give _better_ info than packages.debian.org, but it's a lot quicker to use |
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| 03:30.42 | skippy | peterS, are you aware of any other ways I might be able to preserve my MySQL auth? Custom script handlers, or whatnot? |
| 03:30.43 | search | hi, I can not use my usb port in debian while in ubuntu it is ok. does anyone know why? |
| 03:31.18 | search | I can see my sda* in /proc/partitions |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | skippy: I'm not very familiar with mysql auth, sorry |
| 03:31.57 | skippy | peterS, let me rephrase: |
| 03:32.17 | skippy | peterS, do you know of any way to execute an arbitrary script in order to determine authentication? |
| 03:32.33 | search | fdisk -l /dev/sda output nothing and mount just output :/dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 03:33.07 | peterS | skippy: not offhand, sorry |
| 03:33.16 | skippy | peterS, okay, no worries. Thanks very much. |
| 03:33.45 | peterS | skippy: hmmm, I see the bug that kicked libapache2-mod-auth-mysql was one of the ones I reported (: |
| 03:33.51 | skippy | if cash (PayPal donation) will motivate you (or someone) to get MySQL into the DBD, I'd be willing to part with, say, USD $25. |
| 03:34.15 | skippy | not much, but it's beer money for a thirsty developer |
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| 03:34.23 | peterS | that's a thought |
| 03:34.31 | search | hi, I can not use my usb port in debian while in ubuntu it is ok. does anyone know why? I can see my sda* in /proc/partitions fdisk -l /dev/sda output nothing and mount just output :/dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 03:34.31 | ghostbar | Hi, where are snapscan in sane? in wich package? I'm looking the firmwares but I can't find them... |
| 03:35.02 | ghostbar | *where is |
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| 03:36.47 | peterS | ghostbar: hmmm. that's very odd, that it would be in /proc/partitions yet be "not a valid block device" |
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| 03:37.35 | ghostbar | peterS, that's for search, mine is about sane ;-) |
| 03:38.08 | skippy | ghostbar, which SnapScan do you have? I used SANE on Debian in the past with my SnapScan 1212U, and it "just worked" |
| 03:38.16 | search | ghostbar, you have the same problem? |
| 03:38.34 | ghostbar | skippy, I'm in unstable, I'm using last sane |
| 03:38.43 | ghostbar | skippy, but he ask me for a firmware |
| 03:39.02 | skippy | ghostbar, yes, i used Sid when I last used Sane, and I don't recall having to fool with firmware. Which SnapScan do you have? |
| 03:39.08 | ghostbar | manpage says should be in /usr/share/sane/snapscan but that directory doesn't exists |
| 03:39.16 | anapivirtua_ | Bonjour \ Hi ! |
| 03:39.28 | ghostbar | skippy, I have just installed everything |
| 03:39.32 | ghostbar | libsane, sane |
| 03:39.37 | skippy | ghostbar, have you tried running x-sane? |
| 03:39.57 | ghostbar | skippy, yes, gives me some kind of problem that he can't read my scanner |
| 03:40.15 | tuv | i settled for 'screem' |
| 03:40.25 | skippy | ghostbar, what does `dmesg` say? It might be a permission issue, rather than a firmware one... Which scanner do you have? |
| 03:40.40 | ghostbar | skippy, BenQ 4300 |
| 03:41.07 | search | hi, I can not use my usb port in debian while in ubuntu it is ok. does anyone know why? I can see my sda* in /proc/partitions fdisk -l /dev/sda output nothing and mount just output :/dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 03:41.39 | skippy | ghostbar, have you seen this? http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/#supported |
| 03:42.01 | ghostbar | skippy, yes, tells I need the firmware |
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| 03:42.20 | ghostbar | and says the firmware comes with sane, but I can't find it |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | tried the sane website ? |
| 03:43.36 | ghostbar | abrotman, no, debian package |
| 03:43.49 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | i meant .. have you tried the sane site to get the firmware |
| 03:44.07 | ghostbar | nop |
| 03:44.17 | ghostbar | i will do it, i have no choice... |
| 03:44.18 | ghostbar | thanks ;) |
| 03:45.29 | wastrel | something about debian |
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| 03:54.29 | tuv | how can i tell the encoding of a text file? |
| 03:54.35 | rahul | the file command |
| 03:54.40 | rahul | if you're lucky |
| 03:55.32 | tuv | rahul, actually it's an html file. all 'file' says is: HTML document text |
| 03:55.38 | scx | anyone, where is the dazuko module instaled by default? /lib/modules/linux/updates/dazuko.ko ? |
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| 03:55.46 | rahul | tuv: ok... and? |
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| 03:56.04 | tuv | rahul, it doesn't tell the encoding |
| 03:56.26 | rahul | the point of encodings is that they're using the number space to encode whatever |
| 03:56.36 | rahul | how are you going to tell what encoding was used? |
| 03:57.02 | rahul | how do you know that 153 is latin-1 and not shift-jis? |
| 03:57.25 | rahul | if it doesn't say in the html file itself, it's hard to guess |
| 03:57.47 | tuv | rahul, well how does a text editor tell? |
| 03:57.55 | rahul | it doesn't |
| 03:58.10 | rahul | sometimes it'll guess right, sometimes it won't |
| 03:58.39 | jelly-home | rahul: you can make an educated guess based on the contents and the language the text is supposed to be in |
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| 03:59.00 | rahul | jelly-home: your text editor doesn't know the language, tho :) |
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| 03:59.13 | major_payne | This is a long one. I created a startup script for a teamspeak server. I did "update-rc.d tsscript defaults" and everything seems to work fine. The script works fine, I can type "/etc/init.d/tsscript start" and stop respectively and everything works fine. but when I start up it does not work and it shows no mention of the script even being run let alone give me any errors. Does anyone know why this might be? |
| 03:59.21 | jelly-home | rahul: spamassassin guesses are good |
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| 03:59.48 | rahul | jelly-home: because it's in the mail headers |
| 04:00.05 | jelly-home | rahul: the language itself isn't, only the encoding ;-) |
| 04:00.16 | rahul | uh, well |
| 04:00.22 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly-home |
| 04:00.22 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly-home to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:00.28 | rahul | jelly-home: duh! |
| 04:01.12 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S??tsscript; and make sure that it has a link to the init script. |
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| 04:02.00 | Toothpick | When did chromium leave testing? |
| 04:02.59 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: Yes, it does link to the script |
| 04:03.22 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: then it should be executed, assuming you're actually in runlevel 2. |
| 04:05.06 | mnuhmnuh | dpkg: Penix?!? :-) |
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| 04:05.20 | Pc_Dark | Can someone help me, my wireless network setup |
| 04:05.32 | Pc_Dark | it detected it when I installed, but now that it's installed, how do i connect it |
| 04:05.39 | Pc_Dark | my device is eth0 |
| 04:05.51 | Pc_Dark | or wifi1 or eth1 |
| 04:06.35 | Pc_Dark | please help :( It DID connect to DHCP when it was doing the network configuration at install |
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| 04:07.55 | Pc_Dark | please someone help, how do i use my wireless |
| 04:08.01 | Pc_Dark | it connected in install |
| 04:08.10 | Toothpick | Pc_Dark, ifup wlan0 |
| 04:08.13 | Toothpick | pumpp wlan0 |
| 04:08.15 | Toothpick | maybe those |
| 04:08.32 | mnuhmnuh | Pc_Dark: lspci | grep $something_you_consider_interesting |
| 04:10.08 | Pc_Dark | umm |
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| 04:11.51 | Pc_Dark | no work |
| 04:12.31 | Pc_Dark | please help i need to install apt and get this online. |
| 04:13.05 | Pc_Dark | i need a prompt to insert WEP & SSID again |
| 04:13.06 | Pc_Dark | :( |
| 04:13.13 | mnuhmnuh | Pc_Dark: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ lspci | grep Base |
| 04:13.14 | mnuhmnuh | 0000:01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 30) |
| 04:13.30 | mnuhmnuh | hth. |
| 04:13.39 | Pc_Dark | uhh |
| 04:13.40 | Pc_Dark | I'm new |
| 04:13.52 | Pc_Dark | so I type what exactly :( sorry |
| 04:14.44 | mnuhmnuh | Pc_Dark: lspci | grep Base |
| 04:15.06 | Pc_Dark | k it found it |
| 04:15.10 | Pc_Dark | then wht do I do |
| 04:15.31 | Pc_Dark | the ethernet controller info appeared. |
| 04:16.14 | mnuhmnuh | Pc_Dark: if it ain't workin', you need to understand why its module isn't loading. google! |
| 04:16.36 | Pc_Dark | it says |
| 04:16.55 | Pc_Dark | 0000:03:00.0 Etherneet controller: Broadcom Corporataion blah blah blah |
| 04:17.23 | shogunx | wtf is an etherneet? is that like an efreeti? |
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| 04:17.24 | Pc_Dark | shoulda just done knoppix :( |
| 04:17.28 | Pc_Dark | ethernet |
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| 04:17.34 | Pc_Dark | sorry |
| 04:17.41 | Pc_Dark | 'night ill ask tomorrow :( |
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| 04:18.42 | shogunx | hehe |
| 04:19.00 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: It's still not working, it does enter runlevel 2, and the link is not broken |
| 04:19.03 | mnuhmnuh | Pc_Dark: Broadcom's old. Smiple :-) problem. |
| 04:20.01 | shogunx | i would try an lsmod to see if the module is loading properly |
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| 04:20.30 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: put the contents of the init.d script up on a paste site, and the output of ls -l /etc/rc2.d; as well. |
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| 04:24.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell jokker_fr -about away |
| 04:26.11 | dererk | God bless netinstall |
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| 04:27.23 | mnuhmnuh | cool dererk. sure you don't mean derek? :-) |
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| 04:34.41 | mnuhmnuh | net split? |
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| 04:35.29 | rahul | nope |
| 04:35.43 | rahul | we're just enjoying the silence (by Lacuna Coil) |
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| 04:37.16 | mnuhmnuh | ping? :-) |
| 04:37.20 | krazykit | pong? |
| 04:37.40 | mnuhmnuh | So? Que pasa? |
| 04:38.58 | jetscreamer | of the lambs baybee |
| 04:39.12 | cast | this would be a good time for someone to go make me breakfast |
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| 04:39.18 | cast | i'll wait. |
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| 04:40.21 | rahul | b~ b~ b~ b~ |
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| 04:40.34 | rahul | make your breakfast on a sea of lighters |
| 04:40.55 | krazykit | that isn't ether... |
| 04:42.23 | jetscreamer | not ether, ether! |
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| 04:44.51 | mnuhmnuh | Wusses. |
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| 04:52.04 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: The script does work at startup, I double checked by puting some echos in the script. Here is everything I have: http://pastebin.com/852491 |
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| 04:52.41 | linux_jones | i hve both gdm and xdm installed on my laptop, how do i cwitch from xdm back to gdm? |
| 04:53.50 | Asc | linux_jones: You want to start gdm on boot? |
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| 04:54.04 | linux_jones | asc, yes, insted of xdm |
| 04:54.24 | cast | what happens when you remove xdm? |
| 04:54.39 | linux_jones | im new, i dont really know how |
| 04:55.20 | Asc | linux_jones: Run sysv-rc-conf - there should be entries for gdm and xdm; disable xdm (in all collumns) and enable gdm (in the runlevel 2 collumn) |
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| 04:55.34 | major_payne | Can somoene look at this problem I am having with startup scripts: http://pastebin.com/852491, the script seems to work fine when I run it myself, but it doesn't seem to work at startup |
| 04:55.38 | Asc | linux_jones: Or, yeah, remove xdm. That would probably be easier. |
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| 04:56.24 | cast | Asc: what is sysv-rc-conf in? |
| 04:57.19 | Asc | cast: it's a command you run in a terminal. - applications->accessories->terminal and enter 'sudo sysv-rc-conf' |
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| 04:57.36 | Asc | cast: If it's not installed, run 'sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf' |
| 04:57.41 | cast | ahh |
| 04:58.22 | Asc | cast: You might also try just running 'sudo apt-get remove xdm' - it might be easier. |
| 04:58.31 | linux_jones | how do i uninstall xdm? |
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| 04:58.41 | Asc | run that command in a terminal |
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| 05:00.03 | cast | sysv-rc-conf seems pretty cool |
| 05:00.37 | Asc | cast: I love it, myself. Just don't go disabling anything that you don't know what it is. |
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| 05:04.19 | Asc | I sure hope he did that right, because I'd hate to see him boot to a command line. |
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| 05:05.41 | noqqah | hi |
| 05:05.44 | noqqah | I am trying to burn of one DVD onto TWO DVD burners simultanesouly... anyone got a clue how to do this? K3B only lets me pick on OR the other one but not the two at the same time |
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| 05:07.00 | nvez | noqqah: I'm not running Debian right now or so but I'll give it a shot. Execute the program twice and choose each one? |
| 05:07.26 | noqqah | ROFL!! |
| 05:07.53 | noqqah | k3b twice?? what an ugly hack... let me try :-D |
| 05:08.30 | cast | [i use growisofs] just run the burning program twice |
| 05:09.15 | noqqah | cast: but on two different terminals right? |
| 05:09.50 | cast | yeah, or the one with screen. its not an ugly hack to run the program twice imho, just common sense |
| 05:09.52 | noqqah | well k3b isn't duplicating itself |
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| 05:10.45 | noqqah | I would have to launch k3b like in another screen |
| 05:11.00 | noqqah | is there a way to trick k3b and launch two instances? |
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| 05:11.26 | cast | oh, can't help ya there. i don't use k3b :) |
| 05:11.37 | cast | are you just burning a .iso? |
| 05:12.09 | noqqah | cast no from another DVD |
| 05:12.16 | noqqah | so i've got three devices |
| 05:12.26 | cast | you have...oh, 3. lol. |
| 05:12.31 | noqqah | so what the command for growsysfs i wanna try right now |
| 05:12.53 | cast | are they data dvds? |
| 05:13.01 | noqqah | movie dvds |
| 05:13.12 | cast | ahh, can't help ya then. |
| 05:13.34 | major_payne | Can somoene look at this problem I am having with startup scripts: http://pastebin.com/852491, the script seems to work fine when I run it myself, but it doesn't seem to work at startup |
| 05:13.36 | noqqah | on k3b i use on-the-fly option |
| 05:14.08 | noqqah | cast: what's you command |
| 05:14.34 | noqqah | I could change it two /dec/hdx |
| 05:14.48 | noqqah | instead of /home/you/some.iso |
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| 05:15.52 | cast | well, i was wondering if growisofs -Z /dev/hdb=/dev/hda to copy from a to b would work, never tried it though and i really don't think it'll work for a movie dvd [since you can't use dd to create .iso of one] |
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| 05:17.09 | noqqah | cast: yeah there's an option two do this is called on-the-fly where is an EXACT copy |
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| 05:19.39 | noqqah | hi |
| 05:19.43 | noqqah | hi |
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| 05:19.52 | noqqah | ok |
| 05:20.10 | wookienz | hi, when i add a user how do i set it up so the enw user has a public_html dir etc? |
| 05:20.26 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:20.49 | baconbeacon | Hey all, how can I check the read/write stats on each of the hdds in the system? |
| 05:20.59 | rahul | iostat |
| 05:21.34 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: first and foremost, that init script is total garbage |
| 05:22.07 | Kryptor | is there a useradd wizard in debian for bash? |
| 05:22.13 | dondelelcaro | Kryptor: it's just adduser |
| 05:22.18 | Kryptor | k |
| 05:22.33 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: it should be totally rewritten so that it can be run as root and uses start-stop-daemon to check for the pidfile, and more importantly, to ignore the pidfile if a process isn't running with that pid |
| 05:22.44 | Kryptor | it only promps me for username and password, not the users real name, what shell they wana use etc |
| 05:23.43 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: The script was created by the creators of Teamspeak. I hardly know anything about writing scripts, so I was hoping to be able to use it |
| 05:23.48 | Kryptor | when i installed debian it prompted me with a text based gui (blue screen) to create a user account.. is there a way to reactivate that wizard? |
| 05:24.00 | Kryptor | otherwise i will just edit /etc/passwd |
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| 05:24.49 | dondelelcaro | major_payne: anyway, odds are it's being executed but isn't doing anything useful. You can see exactly what is going on by adding a set -x to the top of your init script. |
| 05:25.12 | dondelelcaro | (I'd add it to both your init script and the teampspeak-server_startscript too) |
| 05:25.58 | major_payne | after the #!/bin/sh? |
| 05:26.21 | simonrvn | do "type-punned pointer" warnings have to do with typecasting? |
| 05:26.34 | sid | !teamspeak |
| 05:26.34 | dpkg | i guess teamspeak is proprietary Voice over IP software that allows users to speak on a chat channel with other users, much like a telephone conference call. A TeamSpeak user will often wear a headset with an integrated microphone. Users use the TeamSpeak client software to connect to a TeamSpeak server of their choice, from there they can join chat channels. |
| 05:26.57 | simonrvn | or is it just dumb mis-naming of things and/or my lack of knowledge in certain areas? |
| 05:27.27 | major_payne | sid: that's about it, used by a lot of gammers |
| 05:27.42 | sid | major_payne: It's non-free though. :( |
| 05:27.49 | simonrvn | is that slang for gamma? |
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| 05:28.31 | major_payne | sid: Nope, but not much I can do about that right now. |
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| 05:30.02 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: the -x option didn' |
| 05:30.13 | major_payne | dondelelcaro: the -x option didn't give me any more informaiton than I already know |
| 05:30.31 | major_payne | or maybe it did |
| 05:30.39 | major_payne | it said: |
| 05:30.57 | major_payne | cd /opt/tss2_rc2 |
| 05:31.14 | major_payne | su tsd -m -c ./teamspeak2-server . . . |
| 05:31.18 | major_payne | but that is it |
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| 05:31.48 | major_payne | does that mean that it didn't execute the teamspeak2-server_startscript? |
| 05:33.12 | scx | I was used to Gmail, but I'm looking the policies, and I don't like 'em |
| 05:33.18 | scx | not a bit |
| 05:33.35 | cast | scx: oh, and which policies are these? |
| 05:33.37 | linux_jones | does anyone know anything about linux on mp3 players? |
| 05:34.03 | scx | would you reccomend me a "trusted" service ?(outside US preferably) |
| 05:34.19 | scx | cast: http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html |
| 05:34.34 | cast | scx: there are *none* use gpg. email is not private, nor was it ever |
| 05:35.02 | scx | gpg? that'sa not the point |
| 05:35.05 | pstickne | I just don't transmit confidential things ^^ |
| 05:35.20 | scx | some of of needs to |
| 05:35.43 | simonrvn | people assume e-mail == postal mail, which is not even vaguely true |
| 05:35.58 | stoned | huh |
| 05:36.08 | stoned | no they dont |
| 05:36.15 | simonrvn | i see that a lot, actually. |
| 05:36.24 | pstickne | a difference is the PO doesn't make and archive copied ;) |
| 05:36.28 | pstickne | *copies |
| 05:36.29 | scx | I know about email security, ok, I even manage a server at work, but I mena the policies |
| 05:36.30 | simonrvn | with non-geeks, yes |
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| 05:36.33 | stoned | you must live in the land of morons |
| 05:36.39 | stoned | you could be king there man |
| 05:36.43 | pstickne | stoned, welcome to 21st century America! |
| 05:36.47 | pstickne | ^^ |
| 05:36.49 | simonrvn | no, just ignorant people |
| 05:36.52 | scx | that policy: "We do whatever we want with your information" |
| 05:36.53 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:37.01 | stoned | well, we have bush for president |
| 05:37.05 | stoned | that explains it all |
| 05:37.07 | scx | tThanks to the holy Bush |
| 05:37.08 | linux_jones | anyone know how to get my mp3 player to work on linux/ |
| 05:37.20 | simonrvn | install linux on it |
| 05:37.21 | stoned | linux_jones, it should hook up through usb |
| 05:37.27 | pstickne | stoned, don't accuse the symptom of being the cause. |
| 05:37.48 | stoned | linux_jones, if its an ipod clone/type then use /msg dpkg ipod |
| 05:37.56 | stoned | pstickne, don't tell me what to do |
| 05:38.13 | pstickne | stoned, don't list to me. |
| 05:38.17 | pstickne | geeze. this is irc. |
| 05:38.41 | cast | gnu* |
| 05:38.57 | simonrvn | he doesn't read, i doubt he knows how to *use* one, never mind have one |
| 05:39.53 | linux_jones | stoned, it does, but theres nothing for it in prtitions, lsusb shows is as sandisk device and dmesg says it is not claimed by any active driver |
| 05:40.39 | cast | scx: so is your problem with gmail or us law? |
| 05:40.47 | scx | both? |
| 05:40.52 | scx | ! |
| 05:40.59 | lindenle | Can ayone suggest a good web cam they have working in debian? |
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| 05:41.38 | scx | any DV cammera, Logitech has many good ones |
| 05:41.40 | cast | ! its hard to avoid losing personal information when the NSA is jacked into AT&T |
| 05:41.40 | dpkg | that's too long, cast |
| 05:41.45 | simonrvn | anything supported by open/free drivers is a good start |
| 05:42.04 | scx | cast: Well I don't live in the US anyway |
| 05:42.12 | scx | not anymore |
| 05:42.13 | simonrvn | gmail does |
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| 05:42.33 | scx | that's why I want a French or German server |
| 05:42.47 | scx | Spanish would be fine |
| 05:42.56 | cast | ha. and what makes you think the french are any different? or spain? |
| 05:43.21 | scx | cast: I know some of the french and German policies about this |
| 05:43.22 | simonrvn | because it's not us ;P |
| 05:43.30 | simonrvn | er, u.s. |
| 05:44.17 | scx | specially Spain and Germany has pretty good information privacy laws |
| 05:44.27 | cast | i suppose i'm just a cynic. policies mean little when you see governments breaking their own laws. [ie: US] |
| 05:44.36 | simonrvn | all of them do |
| 05:44.41 | simonrvn | all the time |
| 05:44.46 | simonrvn | every day |
| 05:45.04 | simonrvn | it's amazing some still keep running |
| 05:45.07 | hesco | from a shell host <domain.name.com> and host <domain.name.com> <my.dns.server> both are very responsive. But any attempt to load a page in seamonkey is resulting in a an error, reading: "The operation timed out when attempting to contact gateway.2wire.net.". |
| 05:45.08 | stoned | simonrvn, whats up man |
| 05:45.09 | scx | yes, but US is openly intrusive |
| 05:45.28 | simonrvn | stoned: usual |
| 05:45.38 | hesco | I had asked this a couple of hours ago, but was called away immediately thereafter. But I'm home now and can focus. |
| 05:45.43 | simonrvn | scx: because they don't bother hiding it anymore |
| 05:45.44 | hesco | Any ideas what that would be about? |
| 05:46.11 | scx | yah, |
| 05:46.20 | simonrvn | gets too expensive, and they were the first ones taken over by corporations</politics> |
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| 05:46.37 | scx | so, noone has a german email server? :P |
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| 05:46.45 | cast | scx: there's gmx |
| 05:46.55 | scx | cast: thanks! |
| 05:47.00 | simonrvn | gmx.net is ok from what i hear |
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| 05:47.26 | scx | actually my best frien has an account there |
| 05:47.37 | simonrvn | they have really tight anti-spam policy, and i've seen a few geeky germans use it |
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| 05:48.00 | simonrvn | former statement == neer seen spam hit here |
| 05:48.05 | simonrvn | never* |
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| 05:48.38 | hesco | Yeah, get a server beyond the reach of the NSA. But please don't stop there. Help us build the Green Party so we have hope for a future beyond corporate servitude. |
| 05:48.39 | scx | not even granma's email! |
| 05:48.48 | scx | it goes sirectly to spam folder! |
| 05:48.57 | scx | err: directly :p |
| 05:49.07 | linux_jones | what modules do i need loaded for usb-storage? |
| 05:49.14 | scx | usbcore |
| 05:49.18 | scx | mainly |
| 05:49.36 | linux_jones | thats it? |
| 05:49.52 | scx | no, what you want to load ? |
| 05:50.05 | linux_jones | my mp3 player |
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| 05:50.59 | scx | usbcore is teh , eh, core, but then you load others like: usbmouse,pl2303,prism2_usb,usbhid,usbkbd,gspca,hci_usb,zc0301,usbserial,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 05:51.17 | scx | usb_storage usbserial etc |
| 05:51.21 | simonrvn | weee for unspaced CSV |
| 05:51.45 | linux_jones | scx so i want to modprobe usb_storage? |
| 05:51.53 | simonrvn | well, you do save bytes like that =) |
| 05:51.59 | scx | do that then :D |
| 05:52.14 | scx | modconf can help also |
| 05:52.24 | major_payne | why does the line: "su tsd -m -c ./teamspeak2-server_startscript $1" not work in a startup script yet it does work when I run the same script manualy? |
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| 05:52.46 | linux_jones | scx it says there is no usb_storage |
| 05:52.55 | simonrvn | why are you running su in an init script? |
| 05:52.55 | linux_jones | can i apt-get it? |
| 05:53.03 | simonrvn | use start-stop-daemon |
| 05:53.15 | scx | linux_jones: what you want to load? an external cdrom? |
| 05:53.15 | major_payne | simonrvn: Because I don't want it to be run as root |
| 05:53.29 | major_payne | simonrvn: I don't know about start-stop-daemon |
| 05:53.32 | simonrvn | see above |
| 05:53.40 | simonrvn | man start-stop-daemon |
| 05:53.44 | TGPO | major_payne, try . ./ instead |
| 05:53.49 | linux_jones | scx mp3 player sansa e250 specificaly |
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| 05:54.07 | scx | linux_jones: ah, ok, run: modconf |
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| 05:54.41 | linux_jones | scx command not found |
| 05:54.50 | major_payne | TGPO: you mean: "su tsd -m -c . ./teamspeak2-server_startscript $1"? |
| 05:55.02 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 05:55.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 05:55.02 | scx | I'm not in Debian right now, so I don't remember where it is, but you need scsi and usb_storage |
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| 05:55.22 | TGPO | major_payne, yup or give it the real absolute path |
| 05:55.23 | linux_jones | can i aptget those? |
| 05:55.40 | scx | apt-get install modconf |
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| 05:55.58 | scx | you need to be root btw |
| 05:56.24 | scx | anyway, gotta go, bye |
| 05:56.31 | major_payne | TGPO: I though the cd would take care of that, the script does work if I run it manualy, it just doesn't seem to work as a startup script |
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| 05:57.09 | TGPO | why would the CD take care of that? |
| 05:57.14 | TGPO | er cd |
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| 05:57.28 | major_payne | because there is a -m in the su command |
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| 05:57.56 | major_payne | but maybe I don't know what I am talking about (I hardly know anything about scripts) |
| 05:58.39 | TGPO | major_payne, then feed it the absolute path /home/major/(whatever else)/startscript |
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| 05:59.23 | major_payne | the script is located in /opt/tss2_rc2 |
| 05:59.28 | major_payne | but I will give it a shot |
| 06:00.19 | linux_jones | how can i see if there is a pratition for my usb device? |
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| 06:03.31 | major_payne | TGPO: That still does not work. Same thing. |
| 06:04.04 | simonrvn | man start-stop-daemon |
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| 06:04.32 | major_payne | simonrvn: I don't think start-stop-daemon can be used to start a script |
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| 06:05.07 | linux_jones | anyone? |
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| 06:05.45 | simonrvn | no, used inside one |
| 06:05.49 | brick | linux_jones, "if there is a partition"? |
| 06:06.41 | linux_jones | brick, yes, tt an mp3 player and i dont know if its connecting right, how cn i tell? |
| 06:07.03 | brick | linux_jones, try lsusb |
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| 06:07.30 | linux_jones | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.53 | linux_jones | brick, would it help if i pasted lsusb -v-s to pste bin? |
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| 06:16.42 | elik | hello, I'm having an encoding problem currently.... I have a portable hard drive. I put stuff on it from 2 linux installations, one that is in an unkown encoding (and I can't access the computer) and one that is in iso855whatever. Since I use this hard drive with windows, I need to keep it all in iso |
| 06:17.15 | elik | I have file names with accents that are not showing up correctly in iso88fsdaj file system |
| 06:17.29 | elik | found a nice tool to convert everything: convmv |
| 06:17.43 | elik | Unfortunately, I do not know the source encoding |
| 06:18.09 | elik | is there any way with the current file names I see from iso88fjdsal encoding to determine what was the source encoding? |
| 06:18.41 | simonrvn | yeh, unfotunately i don't remember how, someone else will |
| 06:18.54 | brick | linux_jones, if that's the device, then you just have to mount it... |
| 06:18.54 | elik | hopefully :P |
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| 06:19.42 | simonrvn | something to do with either 'recode' package or one of the unicode packages... |
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| 06:20.43 | elik | hum |
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| 06:21.13 | elik | well, I know how to make the conversion, I just dont know from what to what to convert |
| 06:21.43 | linux_jones | brick, how do i knwo where its at thoug |
| 06:21.50 | irkite | If I use aptitude to install a "Desktop" system via netinstall, will it automatically resume when interrupted ? |
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| 06:22.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 06:23.02 | irkite | simonrvn: was the for me? |
| 06:23.08 | irkite | was that* |
| 06:23.14 | simonrvn | i was thinking more along the lines that one of them might have a "find out what encoding this is" sub-function |
| 06:23.27 | simonrvn | irkite: no |
| 06:23.31 | irkite | ok |
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| 06:27.06 | scx | Ok, I forgot how to do this: I need a Win partition for a game, but the stupid think just broke again, well, I'll reinstall it but I want to make a backup of my MBR with dd so that I can run knoppix and restore it |
| 06:27.25 | scx | well, how do I dd the MBR and the /boot partition ? |
| 06:27.50 | simonrvn | irkite: yes, it should; as long as it got to "write state information" |
| 06:28.16 | simonrvn | !mbr |
| 06:28.16 | dpkg | [mbr] the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 06:28.24 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 06:28.25 | stoned | !rem |
| 06:28.26 | dpkg | hmm... rem is a sort of relaxing band, who's famous song Imitation of Live was recently famous. |
| 06:28.32 | scx | was like dd if=X of=Y block1,512 |
| 06:28.36 | simonrvn | there's one in dpkg somewhere |
| 06:28.46 | scx | or something alike, I don't see in the man |
| 06:28.48 | britto | hi.. trying to compile mod_jk with apache using apxs2. i get the following errror |
| 06:28.49 | britto | http://apache.pastebin.ca/307756 |
| 06:28.52 | simonrvn | i sggest a listkeys or listvals search in the bot |
| 06:28.55 | brick | linux_jones, kind of a mystery to me, try /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, etc. |
| 06:29.06 | irkite | simonrvn: i see, how long into the process is that? I ask because I can download without limits at night only so i want it to be done at night |
| 06:29.18 | britto | any idea on how to troubleshoot the issue.. |
| 06:29.22 | simonrvn | wehn you hit g |
| 06:29.40 | simonrvn | it'll list what it's doing at the bottom, you'll see it |
| 06:29.46 | britto | seems like my compiler is broken |
| 06:29.49 | irkite | simonrvn: ok, thanks a lot :) |
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| 06:29.56 | scx | funny I'm listenning rem ? |
| 06:29.59 | scx | :) |
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| 06:30.22 | elik | I'm listening R.E.M. too :P |
| 06:30.32 | scx | hehe |
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| 06:32.04 | deb_noob | can anyone try and help me get a digital camera to recognize on kde |
| 06:32.18 | linux_jones | and i just make a dir on my desktop and do mount /dev/sda* /home/djones/desktop/mp3player? |
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| 06:32.25 | scx | dd if=? of=/Data0/Backups/Mbr count=512 |
| 06:32.29 | scx | what? |
| 06:32.50 | deb_noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:34.25 | scx | Ah, got it! : dd if=/dev/hda of=/Data0/Backups/Mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 06:34.43 | multi_io | linux_jones: mount -t filesystemtype /dev/sda* /home/djones/desktop/mp3player |
| 06:34.52 | multi_io | linux_jones: but that works as root only |
| 06:34.54 | scx | I should Google it before :p (Medice curate ipsum) |
| 06:35.25 | multi_io | linux_jones: to avoid that you'd write an entry in /etc/fstab, after which you can just mount /home/djones/desktop/mp3player |
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| 06:35.41 | scx | you can also edit the fstab and set user,auto |
| 06:35.45 | multi_io | (as user, if you've specified in fstab that users can mount that) |
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| 06:36.04 | wookienz | how can i tell as a root user what users i have added on the system? |
| 06:36.28 | scx | su + TAB |
| 06:36.54 | multi_io | wookienz: they're in /etc/passwd |
| 06:37.55 | sadrul | http://pastebin.ca/307761 <-- any help? |
| 06:38.16 | simonrvn | getent passwd |
| 06:39.21 | linux_jones | multi_io, when i try to mount it it says...is not a valid block device |
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| 06:41.32 | multi_io | linux_jones: so the device is not there for some reason. if this as a USB storage deive, do you have the usb-storage kernel module installed? |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | i wouldn't set such adevice as auto mounted |
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| 06:43.23 | linux_jones | multi_io, yes |
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| 06:44.03 | wookienz | multi_io, what about groups? |
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| 06:45.00 | multi_io | linux_jones: you might unplug and replug the device and then run "dmesg" to see what the kernel thinks about the device (it should print some "usb-storage" messages, along with the sdx that it was assigned to |
| 06:45.06 | multi_io | wookienz: /etc/groups |
| 06:45.26 | multi_io | wookienz: eh sorry, it's /etc/group |
| 06:45.40 | wookienz | thanks. |
| 06:46.16 | linux_jones | multi_io, hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.0-2, assigned address 6 |
| 06:46.16 | linux_jones | usb.c: USB device 6 (vend/prod 0x781/0x7420) is not claimed by any active driver. |
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| 06:46.26 | major_payne | simonrvn: Ok, I started doing it your way, and it works, but I don't want the server to be run as root. I have this line in my script: "start-stop-daemon --start --user tsd -x /opt/tss2_rc2/server_linux" but when I type ps aux it shows the server running under root |
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| 06:47.40 | simonrvn | there's another option you might need to use instead of --user.. moment |
| 06:47.42 | multi_io | wookienz: technically, this is only true for locally created users/group, i.e. it won't work anymore if you have user accounts thatcome from a server machine |
| 06:48.26 | wookienz | ok cheers. looks like the user/group oi was looking for is there. i am have troubles starting proftd and i thought that may have been the issue....just trying to find its log file for the errors. |
| 06:48.29 | simonrvn | -c user |
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| 06:48.42 | multi_io | linux_jones: hmm. to me this looks like you either don't have usb-storage loaded, or this is not a usb storage device |
| 06:48.52 | simonrvn | in addition to possibly |
| 06:48.53 | major_payne | simonrvn: ahh, ok, thanks ;-) |
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| 06:49.56 | major_payne | simonrvn: It worked, thanks a lot |
| 06:50.02 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:50.18 | simonrvn | a lot simpler than using some su hack |
| 06:50.41 | linux_jones | multi_io, when i do lsmod |grep usb theres usb-storge there, does that mean its installed? it also says unuesd beside it |
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| 06:50.48 | major_payne | simonrvn: Yea, I just didn't want to re write the second script, I never did scripting before. But it turned out it wasn't realy all that hard |
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| 06:50.58 | jetscreamer | :0 |
| 06:51.14 | simonrvn | naw, not that hard, for most simple tasks |
| 06:51.14 | major_payne | now I just need to make my script pretty |
| 06:51.51 | linux_jones | multi_io, and should the mp3 player be set to mtp or msc in usb mode? |
| 06:53.38 | multi_io | linux_jones: ok, so usb-storage is loaded. What is mtp and msc? If the player is not compatible to the usb-storage standard, then it's unlikely it'll work under linux unless somebody wrote a specific driver for it |
| 06:53.51 | sadrul | hi. has anyone been able to install python-cairo on testing/unstable? |
| 06:54.38 | sadrul | python-gtk2 seems to depend on it, and I can't get either to work |
| 06:55.52 | multi_io | sadrul: your paste looks like there is a bug in the package's postinst script |
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| 06:56.31 | linux_jones | ok so i changed the usb settings on the mp3 player and now when i connect it dmesg spits out whole lot of junk, but when i try to mount it is sys wrong fs type bd option bah blah blah.... |
| 06:57.30 | multi_io | sadrul: if you want to try to fix it, the script should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo-....postinst or similar. |
| 06:57.36 | simonrvn | sounds like you're getting closer |
| 06:58.04 | linux_jones | multi_io, and dmesg says unable to read partition table |
| 06:58.08 | multi_io | linux_jones: is there any usb-storage line? |
| 06:58.13 | multi_io | (in the dmesg) |
| 06:58.50 | multi_io | if usb-storage recognized the player, it should have printed the name of the sdx device node |
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| 07:00.01 | linux_jones | i need a restrt, ill be back |
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| 07:09.30 | sadrul | it appears as if pyversions.py:old_versions expects to read from a non-existent file (/usr/share/python/debian_defaults), and doesn't do enough if the file doesn't exist |
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| 07:10.32 | multi_io | sadrul: apt-file /usr/share/python/debian_defaults to see which package that file belongs to, then install that package |
| 07:10.47 | multi_io | errm apt-file search /usr/share/python/debian_defaults |
| 07:11.07 | multi_io | you'll prolly have to apt-get install apt-file first |
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| 07:13.15 | sadrul | apt-file search can't find it, apparently |
| 07:13.28 | sadrul | and I seem to have a fix! |
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| 07:14.17 | multi_io | sadrul: on my box apt-file says the file belongs to the package "python" |
| 07:14.18 | sadrul | does apt- has any diff option so I can put up a patch? |
| 07:14.34 | multi_io | ..and I'm on testing/unstable too |
| 07:14.47 | multi_io | oh wait... |
| 07:15.00 | multi_io | I think you have to apt-file update first |
| 07:15.16 | multi_io | well, if you have a fix, all the better :P |
| 07:15.46 | linux_jones | multi_io, now dmesg saysnew usb device mas storage device integrity not assured and then usb mass storage device found at 3 |
| 07:15.53 | multi_io | still, it appears your python package is not up-to-date? /usr/share/python/debian_defaults exists here |
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| 07:17.05 | multi_io | linux_jones: there should be a line similar to "SCSI device sda: 516096 512-byte hdwr sectors (264 MB)" (that's what my USB stick says) |
| 07:17.10 | sadrul | apt-file update sure take a lot of time! :) |
| 07:17.56 | multi_io | sadrul: yeah, but it's a useful tool :-P |
| 07:18.07 | multi_io | and you don'T have to run update often |
| 07:19.37 | linux_jones | multi_io, there isnt :\ but now my mp3 player sys disconnected instead of connected like it did before |
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| 07:21.54 | multi_io | linux_jones: usb-storage is still loaded? |
| 07:22.05 | multi_io | (or again) |
| 07:22.52 | linux_jones | multi_io, yes |
| 07:23.01 | linux_jones | so is scsi mod |
| 07:25.38 | multi_io | linux_jones: sorry, doesn't look good then. MSC should be mass storage mode, right? It should work in that mode I think. |
| 07:26.35 | multi_io | may try using it under Windows in MSC mode without any driver (it should be usable like a hard drive there) |
| 07:27.02 | multi_io | if that doesn't work either, return the player I would think :P |
| 07:27.12 | multi_io | or update the firmware, if that's possible |
| 07:27.44 | multi_io | what player is it? |
| 07:28.45 | linux_jones | in windows it works like a hard drive in mtp mode,a and in mtp mode in linux it looks like its connected, plays the animation and everything, but in msc mode it says connected but dosent play the nimation and then says disconnected |
| 07:28.56 | linux_jones | sansa e250 |
| 07:29.23 | multi_io | but you use a special driver under Windows, right? |
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| 07:30.42 | linux_jones | no, it came with software for converting video file and picture file, but fo putting music on it i just go to my computer and theres an icon for it |
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| 07:31.41 | linux_jones | is there a /proc/partitions or something that will tell me its sd*? |
| 07:32.16 | linux_jones | yes there is but its not there |
| 07:32.34 | floundering | Hi, I put a bigger hard drive in a sarge p3 and installed etch at the same time. soundcard was not detected (was snd-cs4236) and xorg fails to start on mach64 video issues (xfree86 use driver "ati"), Whats the best way to fix this up fix? |
| 07:32.55 | janttsu | in installed the esound package and the sounds work fine, but when i try to open the mixer it tell's me that gnome-volume-control doesn't exist. i can't find that package for etch... |
| 07:34.02 | multi_io | linux_jones: I would try googling for "Linux Synsa e250" |
| 07:34.08 | multi_io | *Sansa |
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| 07:37.08 | linux_jones | multi_io, http://osdir.com/ml/linux-usb-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17597.html that page has patch it says will work,, but i dont know what to do with the ptch |
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| 07:38.06 | multi_io | linux_jones: do you have that "Vendor Specific Class" etc. lines too? |
| 07:38.28 | multi_io | the patch would be applied to the kernel source code, after which the kernel would be recompiled |
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| 07:39.00 | multi_io | linux_jones: |
| 07:39.04 | hesco | I'm having the strangest network issues. |
| 07:39.13 | multi_io | http://osdir.com/ml/linux-usb-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17645.html |
| 07:39.30 | multi_io | he got it working i nMSC mode without the patch |
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| 07:40.14 | hesco | I get IRC. My shells work. But any traffic on port 80 (seamonkey and lynx so far tested) somehow redirects to gateway.2wire.net, where it fails to connect. Any ideas what this would be about? |
| 07:40.21 | linux_jones | multi_io, yes |
| 07:40.43 | elik | How can I view which character set I'm using in debian? |
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| 07:41.12 | hesco | discovered this when I started to pastebin an issue I'm having with dependencies on a server I'm working on. |
| 07:41.39 | elik | !encoding |
| 07:41.39 | dpkg | somebody said encoding was are you searching trscripts ? |
| 07:41.51 | linux_jones | multi_io, do you know how he did iy |
| 07:41.56 | elik | !charset |
| 07:41.59 | multi_io | so it should work as a usb-storage device, like in windows |
| 07:42.27 | multi_io | he says he put it in MSC mode and then just used it with usb-storage, as far as I see |
| 07:42.51 | multi_io | which is what you tried, right :-? |
| 07:43.11 | linux_jones | multi_io, yes |
| 07:43.22 | hesco | apt-get just failed on a port 80 request, as well. |
| 07:43.26 | linux_jones | it is just giving me that stupid error when i try to mount it |
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| 07:43.50 | elik | I should say: I do I see what charset was used when a device was mounted |
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| 07:43.59 | elik | how* |
| 07:44.26 | multi_io | linux_jones: can you paste your dmesg after you've plugged the thing in and waited for a few seconds? |
| 07:44.45 | linux_jones | past to a /msg? |
| 07:45.20 | multi_io | to http://pastebin.ca/ , for example |
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| 07:48.16 | multi_io | or to pastebin.com of course :P |
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| 07:48.56 | priscila | may somebody tell me what means "tweaking options"? I think it means something like "optimization options".. am I right? |
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| 07:49.06 | linux_jones | multi_io, http://pastebin.ca/307777 |
| 07:49.35 | priscila | i didn't find a translation... |
| 07:49.50 | britto | good bye.. |
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| 07:50.12 | multi_io | hmm, that looks messy |
| 07:50.24 | multi_io | well, the device is sdb, not sda |
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| 07:51.00 | linux_jones | ya, i have been trying to mount that |
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| 07:52.45 | ndowens | i don't see why gnu.org don't list debian in the "free" gnu/linux distros |
| 07:53.07 | maddash | if I compile kernel 2.6.19, will I still be able to use the packages downloaded from the etch repos? |
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| 07:54.09 | SubStack | ndowens: probably because of the non-free repos |
| 07:54.11 | ndowens | funny thing is, gnu.org seems to be hosting on a debian system, so why not give credit by putting debian on their list of free distros |
| 07:54.47 | rahul | !penixstrike pur-angst |
| 07:54.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking pur-angst to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 07:55.03 | linux_jones | no good? |
| 07:55.07 | ndowens | SubStack: still i mean, debian doesn't add the non-free repos in the apt sources they leave it up to the users |
| 07:55.43 | ndowens | should still be concidered free in my book |
| 07:55.49 | multi_io | linux_jones: what did the mount command say? |
| 07:56.00 | rahul | !penix |
| 07:56.00 | dpkg | i heard penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Marine |
| 07:56.04 | multi_io | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /some/existing/directory |
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| 08:06.16 | hesco | well, that issue is now resolved. My router was intercepting my browser requests to let m know that my partner's daughter's winxp box was hosting a 'blaster' virus. |
| 08:06.34 | hesco | granddaughter, that is. |
| 08:07.03 | hesco | only it mangled the url and made me guess at what it was telling me. |
| 08:07.28 | hesco | Now I'll prepare that paste I was asked for a couple of hours ago. |
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| 08:17.39 | hesco | I've posted my question and some background about my conflicting dependenct issue for apt-get install libapache2-svn, at: http://pastebin.ca/307783 If anyone has any ideas of how to proceed, I'd certainly appreciate it. |
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| 08:18.28 | BlenderKitty | hey, any knoppix std users here? |
| 08:18.49 | hesco | I use knoppix from tim eto time. What do you need? |
| 08:19.13 | BlenderKitty | well, I'm interested primarily with the Knoppix STD, so not really the standard Knoppix |
| 08:19.27 | BlenderKitty | it's a security tools distribution |
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| 08:19.31 | BlenderKitty | on live cd of course |
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| 08:20.01 | hesco | hadn't heard of it. SOunds useful, I'll have to look that up. |
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| 08:20.06 | selam | hi all |
| 08:20.20 | BlenderKitty | it's decent, I guess, but its showing signs of age. |
| 08:20.49 | selam | how can i install kickoff menu on my debian box? |
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| 08:26.44 | schme | What is a kickoff menu ? |
| 08:27.14 | rahul | !kickoff schme |
| 08:27.44 | schme | nop |
| 08:28.02 | schme | rahul: That didn't do anything for me ): |
| 08:28.12 | selam | schme: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html |
| 08:28.21 | selam | schme: http://en.opensuse.org/Kickoff |
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| 08:28.58 | schme | hrm... |
| 08:29.03 | bintut | anyone here running debian etch + apache2 + php5 + postgresql 8.1 + owl 0.93? |
| 08:29.04 | labanux | if i want to use debian testing (unstable), which installer should i use? |
| 08:29.13 | selam | schme: i think very useable , now i want to try :) |
| 08:29.41 | selam | offcourse with beagle |
| 08:29.46 | schme | selam: It looks like any ol' start menu to me :S |
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| 08:30.36 | selam | schme: :) |
| 08:30.53 | schme | selam: I suppose you could grab opensuse 10.2 and take it out from there and adapt it to debian. Welcome to your new wonderful life as package maintainer. |
| 08:31.09 | rahul | heh |
| 08:31.14 | rahul | !pee on schme |
| 08:32.12 | schme | selam: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff/ seems a good place to start :) |
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| 08:32.28 | schme | oh my |
| 08:32.35 | schme | that brings back some memories |
| 08:33.49 | schme | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/suse_kickoff I am sure you need to get into some of the details on how KDE works :) |
| 08:34.04 | selam | schme: .. i build before some debian packages for F4L ... |
| 08:35.32 | schme | selam: I really have no idea about KDE.. it might be that you have to compile the whole thing, and patch it so it uses this other menu. Or maybe the start menu is a separate application. .. hrm.. Either way I think you are stuck with the source 'til someone decides to make a proper debian package :) |
| 08:35.34 | selam | schme: and i hate debian package system for maintains (yes ofcourse if you only user very very good system but if you developer, very hard) |
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| 08:35.52 | schme | hehehe |
| 08:37.11 | rahul | easy like penix |
| 08:37.12 | selam | schme: heheh me to, but if want to be packager, i use pisi (for pardus package system) |
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| 08:42.32 | labanux | i want to use the latest distrib of Debian, which is Etch |
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| 08:42.52 | labanux | but i don't know whics installer should i use?> |
| 08:42.57 | labanux | any suggestion? |
| 08:43.03 | schme | hmm.. |
| 08:43.12 | schme | does it matter? |
| 08:43.24 | Hoxzer | can somebody help me with segementation fault with almost every program that has something to do with package management |
| 08:43.30 | sybec | Hello. I'm trying to figure out if the following is a personal problem: I can't upgrade IceWeasel because of the flashplayer installation. Can anyone help? |
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| 08:43.47 | Trentster | hey all, how do I check on a lamp server what ip addresses are conencted to the apache site? |
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| 08:44.12 | cahoot | netstat? |
| 08:44.35 | sybec | yes! |
| 08:45.12 | schme | labanux: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 08:47.04 | sybec | Oh btw. I'm running Debian SID |
| 08:47.12 | sybec | dpkg: tell sybec about iceweasel |
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| 08:57.13 | exobyte | Does debian come with the FUSE kerenl stuff compiled in by default? |
| 08:57.28 | qwertz | Hi, just installed etch using "desktop" selection on a pc but starting x shows error "No Input driver matching kbd" - attached keyboard is attached and I can use it in the console. Could anybody please give me hint what could go wrong? |
| 08:57.50 | rahul | 's fuse |
| 08:57.53 | rahul | doh |
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| 09:00.10 | exobyte | rahul: It's too late for me to try a pickup line |
| 09:00.16 | rahul | heh |
| 09:00.42 | rahul | yeah, we skipped all that fuss |
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| 09:02.04 | jetscreamer | qwertz: you might try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 09:02.36 | qwertz | jetscreamer, thanks will try it |
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| 09:04.15 | qwertz | jetscreamer, thanks that's the solution, but shouldn't the package normally be installed? any thoughts why it's missing in my default install? |
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| 09:05.39 | rahul | !lick schme |
| 09:05.46 | rahul | hrm. |
| 09:05.51 | elik | Hi, I have an external hard drive that I connect through USB... I want to see what encoding was chosed. How do I do that? |
| 09:05.53 | schme | hahaha |
| 09:05.53 | rahul | bad dpkg |
| 09:06.19 | schme | good try though :) |
| 09:06.49 | rahul | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 09:06.49 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:07.01 | rahul | I win. |
| 09:09.26 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:09.38 | jetscreamer | yes it should though |
| 09:09.45 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install xorg |
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| 09:11.06 | sybec | tell dpkg about help |
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| 09:14.25 | selam | ingilizcede ü var dimi? |
| 09:15.01 | selam | hıms kendime bir ara bir programer keyboard layout yapayım bakayım |
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| 09:34.19 | Hoxzer | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=45752#45752 |
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| 09:43.50 | perlmonkey | hi, does anyone use mod_perl/apache2 under Debian here? I'm slightly confused as to why I appear to have 2 servers running (apache2 and apache-perl) is that how it's supposed to be? |
| 09:46.09 | SubStack | perlmonkey: probably |
| 09:46.23 | SubStack | there's some magic thread voodoo going on |
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| 09:49.23 | Koenigsberger | I have a recent music cd and a local dir "cdrom". when i do "mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom cdrom" as root i get mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 09:49.24 | Koenigsberger | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 09:49.24 | Koenigsberger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.24 | Koenigsberger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.20 | Koenigsberger | If i do mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom cdrom as root i get http://pastebin.com/852562 |
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| 09:51.42 | sybec | so did you try dmesg | tail |
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| 09:52.03 | Koenigsberger | dmesg | tail gives http://pastebin.com/852563 |
| 09:52.12 | Koenigsberger | yes i did |
| 09:52.15 | Koenigsberger | was typing |
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| 09:52.42 | perlmonkey | Substack ah ok |
| 09:53.54 | Koenigsberger | i got a new pc |
| 09:53.57 | perlmonkey | Substack: so to all intents and purposes nothing changes, you continue using apache2 and the existing /etc config path etc? |
| 09:54.29 | Koenigsberger | i didnt think my dvd drive couldnt read cds but thats probably the case |
| 09:54.32 | Koenigsberger | :O |
| 09:54.43 | SubStack | more or less |
| 09:54.46 | Koenigsberger | i mean music cds |
| 09:54.47 | perlmonkey | aha I see |
| 09:54.54 | Koenigsberger | i can read all the other stuff |
| 09:54.58 | Koenigsberger | hmmm |
| 09:55.04 | Koenigsberger | why cant i read music cds? |
| 09:55.09 | Koenigsberger | this is odd |
| 09:55.31 | rahul | what do you mean "read"? |
| 09:55.36 | rahul | you play music |
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| 09:56.08 | Koenigsberger | i mount the cd and then play the files |
| 09:56.46 | perlmonkey | what player do you use |
| 09:56.50 | Koenigsberger | mplayer |
| 09:57.04 | MoDaX | Koenigsberger: audio cd is not mountable |
| 09:57.08 | SubStack | vlc++ |
| 09:57.20 | Koenigsberger | i dindt know that |
| 09:57.23 | Koenigsberger | why not? |
| 09:57.41 | Hoxzer | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=45752#45752 |
| 09:57.45 | MoDaX | Koenigsberger: it does not contain file system |
| 09:57.48 | perlmonkey | becuz its not data, there is no fs |
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| 09:59.57 | Koenigsberger | okay |
| 10:00.12 | Koenigsberger | mplayer plays music cds with these pars |
| 10:00.15 | Koenigsberger | mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom cdda:// |
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| 10:01.08 | Koenigsberger | no sorry |
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| 10:01.11 | atula | I'm using tripple monitor system.. so the right click and change background in gnome isn't working out for me.. keeps on crashing,.. is there a way to edit a text/config file to change background in gnome? |
| 10:01.17 | Koenigsberger | it only plays the first track |
| 10:02.04 | Koenigsberger | cd sucks :/ |
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| 10:04.19 | perlmonkey | atula: http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.0/ch08s03.html might help |
| 10:04.51 | bartden | is it possible to use the prefix notation with ifconfig like ifconfig eth0 inet 192.168.2.1/24 ? I'm not in linux right now, so i cant test it |
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| 10:05.59 | blackelf | apt-get update reports problems with missing GPG keys |
| 10:06.10 | atula | perlmonkey, thanks |
| 10:06.12 | blackelf | how hould I get the keys? I think they are from misc repos like opera |
| 10:06.23 | blackelf | normal gpg --recv-key will do? |
| 10:06.34 | valdyn | !topicsmite blackelf |
| 10:06.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon blackelf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:06.55 | blackelf | valdyn: as I said, this is *not* the sarge or 2006 key problem\ |
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| 10:07.32 | perlmonkey | valdyn: hi |
| 10:07.34 | schme | does the opera repo even have a key in the first place? |
| 10:07.35 | valdyn | blackelf: so? different key doesnt change the procedure, jsut that debian is not responsible for opera's key |
| 10:07.40 | bartden | is it possible to use the prefix notation with ifconfig like ifconfig eth0 inet 192.168.2.1/24 ? I'm not in linux right now, so i cant test it |
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| 10:07.59 | blackelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.04 | valdyn | blackelf: yes |
| 10:08.07 | valdyn | blackelf: ops |
| 10:08.09 | valdyn | bartden: yes |
| 10:08.21 | bartden | k thx |
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| 10:09.17 | bartden | valdyn also for supernetting (like /27), or does it adjust it to a class A,B,C network ? |
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| 10:12.43 | Blackmore | How can I customize gdmgreeter`s menu which includes wm\environments list ? I found there metacity & want to delete it from here |
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| 10:12.57 | ktwilight | got a problem connecting to a remote site :( router assigned ip address automatically, all is well, other pcs connected through the router is working well too. what else should i check? :/ |
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| 10:13.10 | ktwilight | i can ssh into the pc no probs |
| 10:13.49 | valdyn | bartden: ifconfig has nothing to do with that concept of network classes, 27 or 25 or whatever, all the same, all works |
| 10:14.22 | bartden | k thx |
| 10:14.36 | utrrrongeeb | Blackmore: Look in /usr/share/Xsessions/ There are files there that explain the various WMs to GDM. Delete the one you don't need. |
| 10:14.53 | valdyn | ktwilight: you can ssh in but you cannot 'connect', what's that supposed to mean? |
| 10:15.09 | ktwilight | um, i meant connect to a remote site, e.g. w3m google.com |
| 10:15.28 | ktwilight | but i can connect to the pc. if that made any sense. |
| 10:15.40 | valdyn | ktwilight: can you ping google.com though? |
| 10:16.02 | ktwilight | nope, all lost |
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| 10:17.23 | valdyn | ktwilight: broken for all remote hosts? |
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| 10:21.05 | ktwilight_ | ok, that's just sooooooooooooooooooo weird. |
| 10:23.34 | atula | does anyone know here the config file for gnome is? I want to change my background wallpaper... but having tripple monitor is a pain |
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| 10:26.44 | blackelf | atula: but gnome includes GUI config for desktop |
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| 10:29.45 | schme | in Opera. How do I set a font that overrides whatever the site I am browsing tries to change it to? |
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| 10:38.34 | atula | blackelf, it does.... except I am using a tripple monitor set... and one of their resolution aren't exactly the same.. so that's why the GUI keeps on crashing... |
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| 10:44.07 | blackelf | atula: well in worst case you can strace the config program to see to which file it does write its config on exit |
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| 10:46.52 | koanen | pro |
| 10:47.20 | koanen | can the Intel Pro/Wireless do packet injection? |
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| 10:49.20 | Mazingaro | karsten: hi |
| 10:49.22 | valdyn | koanen: no |
| 10:49.35 | Mazingaro | karsten: I recompiled all night long... No errors |
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| 10:50.06 | koanen | valdyn: neither the Centrinos, which means no Intel chips can do packet injection. |
| 10:50.51 | valdyn | koanen: ipw is a subset of a centrino system, not a different wireless chip |
| 10:50.53 | blondie | intel wireless sux0r |
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| 10:51.53 | koanen | blondie: what's that? |
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| 10:52.50 | blondie | koanen: well, the intel 3945 wireless is made of fail |
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| 10:53.15 | blondie | or maybe just their windows drivers :) |
| 10:53.23 | blondie | I can't remember if it works in linux properly or not |
| 10:53.42 | valdyn | sure works but requires a binary daemon |
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| 10:57.02 | GeminiDragon | hihi |
| 10:57.40 | koanen | strange. i have 2 drives, one running etch and the other, a sata drive, solely for backup using rsync. i notice that when i run a certain program, there are read/write activities in the sata drive. when i check the mtab, it was not mounted. can that be possible? |
| 10:58.05 | blondie | how do you know there are such activities? |
| 10:58.11 | valdyn | koanen: _which_ program? |
| 10:58.41 | valdyn | koanen: your mtab does not really know what's mounted btw |
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| 10:58.57 | koanen | the program is a script for a slideshow online. i know there are read/write becos i monitor the drive with gkrellm. |
| 11:00.39 | valdyn | koanen: we don't know your script |
| 11:00.47 | valdyn | koanen: it cant do whatever... |
| 11:00.47 | koanen | valdyn: shouldn't mtab should show all mounted drives? and shouldn't a drive be read/written only after it has been mounted? |
| 11:00.50 | valdyn | koanen: it can do whatever... |
| 11:01.01 | valdyn | koanen: should != has to |
| 11:01.15 | biloti | hi fellows, anybody with gizmo working on amd64 with debian? |
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| 11:01.20 | valdyn | koanen: run 'fdisk -l' as root, not mounting involved |
| 11:01.26 | biloti | gizmo complains about input/output sound device inside 32 bit chroot |
| 11:01.30 | valdyn | koanen: but still your disk will be read |
| 11:01.41 | koanen | valdyn: it is a simple script i downloaded, which runs image files in a dir as a slideshow. |
| 11:01.54 | valdyn | koanen: read the script |
| 11:02.19 | valdyn | biloti: uname -r |
| 11:02.41 | biloti | 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp |
| 11:03.05 | blackelf | blondie: why? |
| 11:03.24 | valdyn | biloti: looks like a debian kernel, i guess gizmo is junk |
| 11:03.44 | koanen | valdyn: you can check it up here, if you are interested. http://panmental.de/public/programming_projects/Slideshow%20script%20in%20PHP/ |
| 11:03.52 | valdyn | biloti: its not in debian either, ask them for support |
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| 11:04.09 | valdyn | biloti: sound should work just fine from that chroot |
| 11:04.17 | biloti | valdyn: not sure, it works with this kernel on 32 bits machines... |
| 11:04.33 | biloti | valdyn: gizmo is not part of debian so far |
| 11:04.51 | biloti | vladyn: and has no 64 bits native version... |
| 11:05.39 | biloti | valdyn: sound works inside chroot (mpg123 for example works perfectly) |
| 11:06.02 | xingu | biloti: complain to the vendor. |
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| 11:06.28 | valdyn | biloti: or maybe tell us the error message |
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| 11:06.41 | blackelf | biloti: thanks, you reminded me I need to ask in the poll for need for 64 bit driver |
| 11:06.44 | biloti | xingu: gizmo has not been ported to 64 bits, they say |
| 11:07.10 | biloti | gizmo just pops up a message saying it can |
| 11:07.13 | valdyn | biloti: that answered the wrong question |
| 11:07.17 | xingu | biloti: seems pretty conclusive then, you're screwed; maybe switch to an opensource voip solution |
| 11:07.32 | biloti | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.55 | valdyn | biloti: and? is the sound device there? does it use alsa or oss? which sound device ( if oss ) |
| 11:08.05 | biloti | xingu: I would like. Do you know some? |
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| 11:08.31 | buu | Hrm. I've got exim4 as my mailer daemon, which works just dandy, it stores the mail in /var/spool/mail/username. Which is fine. But I want to give other users access to a particular user's mail spool. Unfortunately, exim constantly resets the permissions on the mail spool. Anyone have a sane way to make it available? |
| 11:08.39 | biloti | valdyn: the sound device is there (alsa) and it works for other programs (like mpg321 or xmss) |
| 11:09.00 | xingu | biloti: ekiga? |
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| 11:09.12 | biloti | xingu: is part of debian? |
| 11:09.21 | xingu | biloti: yep. |
| 11:09.27 | valdyn | biloti: mpg123 does not use alsa by default |
| 11:09.33 | Kryptor` | with courier-imap it wont let me create root folders with outlook/outlook express but i can create subfolders of the inbox. i am using it with postfix on debian. Has anyone experianced this issue? |
| 11:09.38 | valdyn | biloti: i really tend to think this is a pebkac |
| 11:09.42 | biloti | xingu: i will try it |
| 11:09.59 | biloti | valdyn: pebkac? |
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| 11:10.46 | mc__ | !pebkac |
| 11:10.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 11:11.10 | biloti | i see |
| 11:11.17 | biloti | maybe you are right |
| 11:11.33 | biloti | that's why I me here |
| 11:11.47 | biloti | to fix that device (me!) |
| 11:12.41 | valdyn | biloti: gizmo works fine, but not with the dmix plugin, using alsa |
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| 11:13.02 | biloti | valdyn: you mean, on 64bits? |
| 11:13.18 | Kryptor` | with courier-imap it wont let me create root folders with outlook/outlook express but i can create subfolders of the inbox. i am using it with postfix on debian. Has anyone experianced this issue? |
| 11:13.24 | valdyn | biloti: yea, in your environment, start it in a shell, paste the error |
| 11:13.52 | biloti | unfortunately, I'm not on that 64bits machine right now... |
| 11:13.55 | valdyn | biloti: its still junk thogh as it simply breaks if the default sound device doesnt work, Yet you can PICK a different device if it only wouldnt abort |
| 11:14.21 | valdyn | biloti: are you using dmix? |
| 11:14.32 | biloti | not sure |
| 11:14.39 | biloti | probably not |
| 11:14.39 | buu | Ah, here we are, how I add a group to a user? |
| 11:14.43 | valdyn | biloti: you probably aren't then |
| 11:14.43 | buu | Or a user to a group. Or something. |
| 11:15.01 | valdyn | biloti: gizmo can use oss aswell |
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| 11:15.07 | biloti | I don't know what dmix is |
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| 11:15.11 | blackelf | buu: one of the ways might be to edit /etc/groups by hand |
| 11:15.34 | valdyn | biloti: you can try using oss by running 'gizmo --oss' |
| 11:15.39 | blackelf | making a backup first sounds like a goodidea |
| 11:15.40 | biloti | valdyn: that's I know, but the fact is that gizmo don't even open so I can change to oss |
| 11:15.47 | biloti | I see |
| 11:15.48 | xingu | buu: adduser username group |
| 11:15.57 | valdyn | biloti: ..which is why you try what i wrote.. |
| 11:16.17 | biloti | valdyn: i will |
| 11:17.05 | valdyn | biloti: on startup, if gizmo does not find a full duplex sound device , it will give this silly error |
| 11:17.10 | buu | xingu: Hrm.. |
| 11:17.12 | biloti | but I have not access to my 64bits machine right now |
| 11:17.24 | buu | xingu: Now it says I'm already a member, but groups isn't showing me as a member.. |
| 11:17.42 | biloti | valdyn: I will try your advices asap |
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| 11:20.14 | blackelf | buu: logout and log in aagain |
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| 11:20.44 | biloti | valdyn: thanks. I have many things to try now. |
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| 11:21.16 | buu | blackelf: I've tried that several times. |
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| 11:21.26 | blondie | buu: try again! |
| 11:21.28 | buu | What process of 'logging out' and 'logging in' am I missing? |
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| 11:21.52 | blondie | "logout" |
| 11:21.59 | buu | As in .. "exit" ? |
| 11:22.05 | buu | Because I did that. |
| 11:22.11 | blondie | how are you logged in? |
| 11:22.15 | blackelf | buu: exit totally your current sesion. not just close xterm |
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| 11:22.36 | blackelf | buu: are you in X likde gnome or kde? |
| 11:22.38 | blondie | exit is the same as logout iff it's a login shell |
| 11:22.51 | buu | blondie: Negatory. |
| 11:22.56 | buu | er |
| 11:22.58 | blackelf | buu: if you are unshure then reboot to be shure |
| 11:22.58 | buu | blondie: Negatory. |
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| 11:23.01 | sybec | smurf in a box |
| 11:23.04 | buu | Fuck no. |
| 11:23.24 | blackelf | dr. No is not happy |
| 11:23.39 | blondie | buu: huh? how are you logged in? |
| 11:23.42 | buu | blondie: ssh.. |
| 11:23.50 | blackelf | buu: disconnect and reconnect |
| 11:23.57 | buu | I doubt it'll do any good. |
| 11:24.02 | blondie | type logout |
| 11:24.12 | buu | Will that drop my screen? |
| 11:24.15 | blackelf | buu: you MUST disconnct and reconnect |
| 11:24.22 | blondie | oh, running in screen? |
| 11:24.40 | buu | Of course. |
| 11:24.48 | buu | Oh, huh |
| 11:24.49 | blondie | screen might need restarting |
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| 11:24.54 | buu | Now bash -l is showing me my groups |
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| 11:25.30 | blackelf | buu: btw, you are trying to play sound via ssh or what? |
| 11:25.55 | buu | Huh? |
| 11:26.03 | buu | No, that's easy. |
| 11:26.04 | blondie | buu: screen needs restarting to detect new groups |
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| 11:26.27 | buu | Blah. |
| 11:26.37 | buu | I'll just do it manually then. |
| 11:26.37 | blackelf | we spend 5 minutes telling buu that he REALLY must ACTUALLY restart the sesion, jesus |
| 11:26.43 | blondie | manually? |
| 11:26.46 | buu | linux-- |
| 11:26.49 | buu | blondie: Sure. |
| 11:26.55 | buu | blondie: You can make it find the group and add it. |
| 11:26.59 | blondie | orly |
| 11:27.13 | buu | buu@erxz$ groups |
| 11:27.13 | buu | buu |
| 11:27.16 | buu | buu@erxz$ groups |
| 11:27.16 | buu | mail buu |
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| 11:27.44 | blackelf | buu: for the love of FSM just close screen, disconnect, reconnect, start new screen |
| 11:27.44 | blondie | "user groups" smell :| |
| 11:28.05 | buu | blackelf: Closing screens is for windows users. |
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| 11:28.12 | buu | blondie: eh what? |
| 11:28.31 | xingu | buu: you could also try "exec newgrp -" |
| 11:28.40 | blackelf | buu: lol? linux requires to restart session to make use of changes in use group belonging |
| 11:28.41 | xingu | buu: don't blame me if this fails, I haven't tested it. |
| 11:28.46 | xingu | buu: but on paper it looks good. |
| 11:29.14 | buu | Hrm. |
| 11:29.22 | buu | Actually, how the hell do I sg to the 'buu' group? |
| 11:29.32 | xingu | with newgrp |
| 11:29.34 | xingu | hence... |
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| 11:29.37 | xingu | never mind. |
| 11:29.43 | buu | It asks for a password.. |
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| 11:29.58 | xingu | that would be your login passwd for that user |
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| 11:30.03 | buu | But it uh, isn't. |
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| 11:30.38 | blondie | group password |
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| 11:30.49 | xingu | gah, who uses those any more? |
| 11:31.13 | buu | blondie: I'm guessing because it has an empty group password? |
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| 11:31.21 | blondie | yes, so it fails :D |
| 11:31.22 | blackelf | buu: can't you simply recpnnect and be done with it |
| 11:31.32 | buu | blackelf: NO. |
| 11:31.39 | xingu | with an empty group passwd it should prompt for user passwd instead. |
| 11:31.42 | xingu | per manpage anyway |
| 11:31.52 | buu | It's not taking my user password. |
| 11:31.53 | blackelf | Keep It Simple, Stupid |
| 11:31.58 | blondie | xingu: which user password? |
| 11:32.17 | xingu | blondie: err, the password of the user attempting newgrp |
| 11:32.32 | xingu | blondie: newgrp only prompts for a group passwd if the user is not a group member |
| 11:32.46 | blondie | I see |
| 11:32.55 | blondie | I dont see any mention of passwds in the manpage |
| 11:32.58 | blondie | erm passwords |
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| 11:33.22 | blondie | also, the author of the gshadow manpage can't spell "through" :( |
| 11:33.26 | xingu | blondie: its right there in second para under description in mine |
| 11:33.36 | xingu | blondie: maybe your manpages are broken/stale? |
| 11:33.56 | buu | Huh, my grouppassword appears to be 'x' |
| 11:33.58 | buu | What the hell? |
| 11:34.00 | blondie | this manpage is dated 07/30/2006 |
| 11:34.13 | xingu | my guess is that the linux newgrp doesn't re-getgrent |
| 11:34.32 | blondie | xingu: actually your manpage is probably "stale" ;P |
| 11:34.44 | blondie | xingu: it's mentioned in the sarge manpage but not the etch one |
| 11:34.52 | xingu | blondie: I'm using the sid manpages. |
| 11:35.03 | xingu | blondie: which are also, hilariously, dated 20060730 |
| 11:35.03 | blondie | unstable then, not to be relied on |
| 11:35.08 | buu | Hrmph. |
| 11:35.20 | buu | None of this silliness would be necessary if exim would stop changing the fucking permissions on me. |
| 11:35.29 | xingu | buu: try again in one of your other sessions that is already a group member |
| 11:35.46 | buu | xingu: Er, try.. what? A member of which group? |
| 11:35.54 | blondie | xingu: the sarge manpage actually calls the newgrp manpage... the etch one is seperate |
| 11:36.11 | blondie | buu: the new one. |
| 11:36.16 | blondie | "mail" |
| 11:36.34 | buu | blondie: And try.. what? |
| 11:36.58 | blondie | buu: so you can't do it without setting a group password for mail |
| 11:37.02 | xingu | blondie: err.. what? newgrp(1) in my uptodate sid/amd64 mentions all the guff about password prompting behaviour right in second para under descriptions; the date on the manpage is 20060730 |
| 11:37.23 | blondie | xingu: is that what you get for "man sg"? |
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| 11:37.38 | xingu | blondie: no; sg is a different page. |
| 11:37.47 | blondie | well read the right page |
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| 11:38.02 | buu | blondie: What do you mean? sg mail; doesn't ask for a password. |
| 11:38.05 | blondie | anyway, on sarge, "man sg" = "man newgrp" |
| 11:38.14 | blondie | buu: so what are you complaining about? |
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| 11:38.53 | buu | blondie: Trying to sg buu; |
| 11:39.03 | blondie | what is the point of that? |
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| 11:39.11 | xingu | blondie: the whole point of suggesting that he use "exec newgrp -" is to get a new login context. |
| 11:39.14 | xingu | but hey |
| 11:39.14 | mango | hi, can any one please tell me, what is that I should be looking for in my /var/log/XFree86 log file to determin the problem to start my X. I am not sure if it is the driver, or the fonts that is not installed. I have installed some fonts...but X does not start..help please |
| 11:39.18 | buu | blondie: when I sg mail, it adds the group but now mail is my primary group. |
| 11:39.25 | buu | blondie: I don't want mail to be a primary group, I just want to have it. |
| 11:39.27 | blondie | xingu: we were talking about sg! |
| 11:39.39 | blondie | buu: then log out and back in |
| 11:39.44 | buu | blondie: Then I lose mail! |
| 11:39.55 | blondie | no, you gain it |
| 11:40.05 | blondie | unless it's been removed from your group membership |
| 11:40.07 | mango | mango: this is the bin file http://pastebin.ca/307827 |
| 11:40.28 | blondie | mango: talking to yourself? |
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| 11:41.15 | blondie | mango: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 11:41.17 | biz | what is the default timeout for a reply of an dns server in /etc/resolv.conf, so the next one in list gets queried? and where can you set this timeout? |
| 11:41.19 | buu | blondie: No, if I just create a new login shell, it lacks mail. |
| 11:41.24 | blondie | mango: your mouse is not configured properly |
| 11:41.29 | blondie | buu: then you can't be in that group. |
| 11:41.33 | mango | blondie: ok |
| 11:41.34 | buu | blondie: Oh but I am. |
| 11:41.42 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: is my debian-devel's nick ok now (proper real name etc)? |
| 11:41.53 | blondie | buu: if you create a completely new ssh session to that machine, does it have the group? |
| 11:42.08 | mango | blondie: there is no problem with the fonts righet |
| 11:42.38 | blondie | mango: not according to that paste |
| 11:42.39 | raf256 | blondie: jesus, you are still on that subject =) |
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| 11:50.18 | xingu | ok, the reason why newgrp doesn't work is probably because buu has only added the user to the group in /etc/group, not also in /etc/gshadow. |
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| 11:50.52 | xingu | with that in place, "exec newgrp -" will indeed replace the current login context with one which has a revised idea about getgrents. |
| 11:51.35 | xingu | nb, you also have to be listed as a group member for your own primary group, which is probably a bug. |
| 11:53.20 | xingu | aah; no it won't, it'll work and also silently not add the new group |
| 11:53.23 | xingu | broken. :) |
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| 11:56.54 | xingu | "exec su -" will work pam permitting, but prompt for your login passwd again |
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| 11:57.22 | sam_uk | hi to make sound work from firefox i have to run alsaconf every time, is there a way to fix it so that it keeps it's configuration? |
| 11:58.16 | pluesch0r | evening. is there a way to use nfs-user-server and pretty paths or something? the url myserver:/path/to/share is kinda ugly compared to the smb equivalent (myserver/share) .. |
| 11:58.41 | xingu | pluesch0r: automount, "net" map. |
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| 12:01.40 | pluesch0r | xingu: care to elaborate on that a bit? |
| 12:02.41 | xingu | pluesch0r: pretty much every automount implementation ever writ supports a -hosts map that expands a resolvable hostname to a mount pount under /net/${hostname}/${export}/... |
| 12:02.56 | pluesch0r | xingu: i've got no automount on osx. |
| 12:03.09 | xingu | and you're asking this question in #debian because? |
| 12:03.27 | pluesch0r | because it's a debian server that's running the nfs-user-server? |
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| 12:03.42 | xingu | mounting is a function of the client. |
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| 12:04.04 | pluesch0r | the mounting works. |
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| 12:04.19 | pluesch0r | i just don't want to ln -s /path/to/share to /share |
| 12:04.24 | pablo_ | how do i install sid? |
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| 12:04.29 | pluesch0r | as this is an abomination, imho. |
| 12:04.54 | xingu | the mountpoint paths are an invention of the client |
| 12:05.13 | pluesch0r | xingu: okay, thanks. |
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| 12:05.27 | sam_uk | !sound |
| 12:05.29 | dpkg | methinks sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 12:05.59 | pablo_ | how can i make a netinstall of sdi? |
| 12:06.02 | pablo_ | how can i make a netinstall of sid? |
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| 12:08.42 | Kvant | pablo_, download a netinstall cd image for sid |
| 12:09.11 | abrotman | there isn't one |
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| 12:09.42 | Kvant | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/ |
| 12:09.46 | pablo_ | Kvant: mm, where can i get one? |
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| 12:10.31 | unseensoul | hi |
| 12:10.33 | pablo_ | ok thanks |
| 12:11.23 | abrotman | Kvant: you really shouldn't be recommending sid/unstable to debian newbies |
| 12:11.41 | Kvant | i'm not recommending anything; just answered a question |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | just tell him it's not a good idea :) |
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| 12:12.24 | Kvant | pablo_, abrotman doesn't think it's a good idea :P |
| 12:12.38 | pablo_ | abrotman: why not? |
| 12:12.46 | abrotman | sure .. you say that after you've given him the keys to the ferrari :) |
| 12:13.04 | abrotman | pablo_: things break .. badly .. and sid is NOT supported in #debian ... you're on your own |
| 12:13.06 | diilbertAtWork | I am try to make my ntfs partitions readable by users... I added the following to my fstab: /dev/hda6 /mnt/win_e ntfs user,noauto 0 0 But when I mount it as a user (which I can) it has 700 permissions and the owner is root:root even if I chmod and chown before it is mounted... any ideas ? |
| 12:13.20 | abrotman | !tell diilbertAtWork about ntfsro |
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| 12:13.57 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: I got nothing in case you are wondering (it never told me anything) |
| 12:14.01 | pablo_ | abrotman: ok, i will continue with testing |
| 12:14.12 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 12:14.13 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 12:14.17 | sam_uk | how can i keep my sound configuration, so sound works without having to run alsaconf every time i want to hear something? |
| 12:14.21 | haydenAU | is php5 available in debian packages? |
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| 12:14.33 | abrotman | haydenAU: for which version of debian ? |
| 12:14.57 | haydenAU | not sure, its an older one |
| 12:15.19 | abrotman | haydenAU: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say |
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| 12:16.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: i could never make the wireless work |
| 12:16.27 | haydenAU | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:16.33 | abrotman | pablo_: so what makes you think it will work in sid ? |
| 12:16.36 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: what does the auto option do ? |
| 12:16.42 | abrotman | !tell haydenAU about bpo |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: mount at boot |
| 12:17.21 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: man mount .. if you want more info |
| 12:17.38 | diilbertAtWork | thanks |
| 12:17.51 | pablo_ | abrotman: ok, i just supposed it |
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| 12:18.13 | abrotman | pablo_: which wifi chipset ? |
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| 12:18.37 | diilbertAtWork | how do you find out what your uid is ? |
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| 12:18.44 | abrotman | id |
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| 12:20.43 | pablo_ | abrotman: prism |
| 12:20.52 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: thanks ;) |
| 12:20.56 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: all good ? |
| 12:21.06 | abrotman | pablo_: 802.11g ? |
| 12:21.10 | abrotman | !ro |
| 12:21.15 | abrotman | !.ro |
| 12:21.15 | dpkg | .ro is, like, Romania |
| 12:21.20 | abrotman | that's no good |
| 12:21.45 | pablo_ | abrotman: b |
| 12:21.57 | Eclipser | !like |
| 12:21.58 | dpkg | like, totally radical, like duh, no way eclipser |
| 12:22.24 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: yup |
| 12:22.25 | abrotman | pablo_: show us the line from lspci |
| 12:22.35 | diilbertAtWork | I was justnot sure what to put in the fstab |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: whatever you type |
| 12:23.08 | diilbertAtWork | Another question... I was wondering if anyone has install the latest adobe reader.... I am getting some strange happenings |
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| 12:23.30 | abrotman | try a free one ? |
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| 12:23.40 | abrotman | pablo_: 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
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| 12:23.44 | abrotman | pablo_: that's mine .. works great |
| 12:23.47 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: funny... the Correct Line to add to the fstab rather |
| 12:24.11 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: I have not found one I like |
| 12:24.14 | diilbertAtWork | any suggestions ? I willing to ditch it |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: show us the line you're typing to mount it now |
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| 12:24.31 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: i find evince and xpdf usually one or the other can do it |
| 12:24.39 | abrotman | i think i still have gpdf too |
| 12:24.55 | pablo_ | abrotman: i dont have lspci |
| 12:25.01 | ofer0 | abrotman, AFAIK, evince is formerly gpdf. |
| 12:25.22 | abrotman | pablo_: install pciutils |
| 12:25.33 | diilbertAtWork | diilbertAtWork /dev/hda6 /mnt/win_e ntfs ro,user,gid=50,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 |
| 12:25.34 | pablo_ | abrotman: dont have internet on that machine |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | ofer0: yeah ... but they now do things differently because gpdf isn't maintained anymore AFAIK |
| 12:25.53 | abrotman | pablo_: you have no 10/100 ? |
| 12:25.57 | diilbertAtWork | oops I typed my own nick ;) |
| 12:26.01 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: so put that in fstab |
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| 12:27.18 | diilbertAtWork | That is what I did and it is working now... I had said: " All I needed to know was what to put in the fstab and I did and it worked" That is what I ment... it wasn't question LOL |
| 12:27.34 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: oh okay :) |
| 12:27.45 | abrotman | pablo_: is orinico loaded ? |
| 12:28.05 | pablo_ | abrotman: yes, and it detects it fine |
| 12:28.13 | pablo_ | abrotman: during netinstall it worked |
| 12:28.27 | abrotman | pablo_: ifconfig -a .. does it show it ? |
| 12:29.10 | pablo_ | abrotman: sur |
| 12:29.12 | pablo_ | abrotman: sure |
| 12:29.24 | abrotman | pablo_: so what's the problem ? |
| 12:29.37 | pablo_ | abrotman: i type route and nothing |
| 12:29.54 | abrotman | !tell pablo_ about interfaces |
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| 12:30.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:30.49 | pablo_ | abrotman: /etc/network/interface is fine |
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| 12:31.03 | pablo_ | abrotman: something strage happens |
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| 12:31.24 | abrotman | such as ...? |
| 12:31.41 | raf256 | I think that debian needs more recent kernels, even not well tested ones, because some machines are quite unusable without them (too new mobo) |
| 12:32.00 | abrotman | raf256: doesn't mean support is in newer kernels |
| 12:32.04 | pablo_ | abrotman: i have all right configured same as during netinstall, but it doesnt works |
| 12:32.09 | marx0r | raf256< You're right, most recent is 2.6.8 and it's already outdated :( |
| 12:32.45 | abrotman | marx0r: that's the most recent in 'stable' |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | pablo_: yes .. great .. what's the error *now* ? |
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| 12:33.18 | raf256 | abrotman: often it is |
| 12:33.28 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: evince will probably do the trick... thanks for the suggestion |
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| 12:33.31 | raf256 | abrotman: for instance my freinds laptop sound work only on 2.6.19.1 |
| 12:33.33 | marx0r | I see... I prefer using the stable versions. |
| 12:33.45 | raf256 | marx0r: yes |
| 12:33.52 | pablo_ | abrotman: dont know, it doenst connects |
| 12:33.56 | raf256 | my idea would be to add kernel-ARCHNAME-unstable |
| 12:34.02 | raf256 | and make it available even in debian stable |
| 12:34.11 | abrotman | pablo_: we need actual problems to help you .. |
| 12:34.17 | abrotman | pablo_: do you have WEP or WAP ? |
| 12:34.22 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: enjoy |
| 12:34.23 | raf256 | because for some mobo's linux is unstable/unusable without bleeding edge kernel |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | marx0r: check backports.org |
| 12:34.29 | pablo_ | abrotman: acces point |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | pablo_: is there a key on it ? |
| 12:34.59 | pablo_ | abrotman: no |
| 12:35.07 | abrotman | so it's totally open ? |
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| 12:35.19 | pablo_ | abrotman: sure |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | pablo_: do you have iwtools ? |
| 12:36.00 | abrotman | iwlist .. iwconfig ... etc |
| 12:36.23 | pablo_ | abrotman: yes |
| 12:36.28 | pablo_ | abrotman: wireless-tools |
| 12:37.11 | pablo_ | abrotman: and iwconfig is fine |
| 12:37.13 | marx0r | Anyway, I can't get my old USB 1.1 hub to work, says it won't accept its address... Anyone knows what error code -110 means? |
| 12:37.31 | abrotman | pablo_: can you paste 'iwconfig' somewhere ? |
| 12:38.05 | oga | I need a domain and a hosting, is there somwhere any server I can use that keeps my information ---confidential--- ? |
| 12:38.06 | abrotman | pablo_: does at least one of them have wireless exttenions ? |
| 12:38.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: sure |
| 12:38.23 | oga | Dyndns sais they can do what they want with my info |
| 12:38.29 | oga | even resell it! |
| 12:38.37 | pablo_ | abrotman: the config is all fine |
| 12:38.45 | pablo_ | abrotman: gotta go |
| 12:38.48 | abrotman | oga: ask #dns |
| 12:38.52 | abrotman | pablo_: okay |
| 12:39.14 | abrotman | oga: but honestly .. that data can be seen anyways .. try a `whois google.com` |
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| 12:39.48 | oga | abrotman: exactly, but whois can be restricted |
| 12:40.04 | oga | I mean the information displayed |
| 12:40.26 | abrotman | oga: but dyndns isn't a real registrar .. AFAIK anyways |
| 12:40.56 | black_abaddon | http://s1.bitefight.ba/c.php?uid=37762 |
| 12:40.59 | black_abaddon | join |
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| 12:41.10 | matteo | hi all |
| 12:41.12 | oga | I don't want to brodcast my address and telephone, Enom ofers the service to restrict the whois info, but still doesn't sais anywhere tehy'll keep my info rpivate from third paries |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | black_abaddon: don't spam us |
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| 12:41.22 | matteo | i have debian, and i want to set up an ubuntu pbuilder |
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| 12:41.33 | matteo | should I change just the mirrors in pbuilderrc? |
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| 12:41.44 | abrotman | oga: maybe ask #dns .. i doubt you'll get much info here |
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| 12:42.02 | abrotman | matteo: ask them ? |
| 12:42.09 | oga | Well, most webadmins I know are Debian users :p |
| 12:42.25 | oga | that's why, thanks anyway |
| 12:42.28 | matteo | abrotman: them? |
| 12:42.29 | abrotman | oga: my office uses netsol .. but i can't recall the privacy options |
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| 12:42.36 | abrotman | matteo: or just try it ? |
| 12:42.51 | oga | I'll check it surely |
| 12:42.54 | matteo | try try, my bandwidth is lmited |
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| 12:43.07 | matteo | i have to do, not just try |
| 12:43.12 | krinns_ | hi all am updating my sourcelist |
| 12:43.18 | krinns_ | it gives error |
| 12:43.19 | krinns_ | There are no public key available for the following key IDs |
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| 12:45.07 | abrotman | krinns_: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:45.14 | abrotman | krinns_: then run apt-get update again |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | matteo: there aren't any docs at ubuntu.org ? |
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| 12:46.03 | matteo | abrotman: dunno, maybe in the forums |
| 12:46.34 | abrotman | matteo: or you could try asking the ubuntu dev channel .. i'm sure there are a few running debian |
| 12:46.35 | krinns_ | is this some imp errors |
| 12:46.39 | krinns_ | or i ignore them |
| 12:46.45 | abrotman | krinns_: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:46.47 | abrotman | krinns_: then run apt-get update again |
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| 12:46.57 | krinns_ | ok |
| 12:47.13 | Mazingaro | karsten: it worked |
| 12:47.24 | Mazingaro | karsten: I did apt-get remove --purge iceape* |
| 12:47.54 | Mazingaro | karsten: then reinstalled it |
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| 12:53.18 | blondie | fail |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | hiya! |
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| 12:54.05 | blondie | abrotman: why hello there |
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| 12:56.04 | Mazingaro | karsten: so not bad ram at all |
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| 12:58.54 | mango | blondie: thanks a lot, it is working now |
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| 13:04.10 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
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| 13:04.24 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to setup a soundblaster live, but ALSA isn't recognising it |
| 13:04.30 | solemnwarning | What should I try? |
| 13:04.47 | solemnwarning | lspci sees it as 0000:01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0000 (rev 04) |
| 13:05.20 | cusco | solemnwarning: alsaconf doesn't recognise it? |
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| 13:05.57 | solemnwarning | no |
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| 13:06.58 | tralala | solemnwarning, try update-pciids and lspci again |
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| 13:07.47 | solemnwarning | Already tried that |
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| 13:08.58 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 13:09.06 | solemnwarning | Already tried that |
| 13:09.11 | solemnwarning | heh |
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| 13:09.19 | abrotman | solemnwarning: and it's still unknown ? |
| 13:09.24 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | solemnwarning: how old is it ? |
| 13:09.33 | solemnwarning | Years |
| 13:09.54 | solemnwarning | I got it from my bro, he's had it in an anti-stat bag for 4 years or so |
| 13:09.58 | abrotman | lspci -n |
| 13:10.10 | solemnwarning | 0000:01:07.0 0401: 1102:0000 (rev 04) |
| 13:10.33 | blondie | maybe it's broken |
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| 13:10.59 | solemnwarning | Possibly |
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| 13:11.08 | solemnwarning | I have no idea how to test it though :\ |
| 13:11.17 | blondie | try it in another machine |
| 13:11.26 | blondie | or... shock horror... a live cd |
| 13:11.27 | blondie | :| |
| 13:11.32 | blondie | which might be gentoo |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | it's not in pcimap |
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| 13:12.28 | solemnwarning | Whats pcimap? |
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| 13:13.50 | abrotman | and the kmuto site doesn't know about it either |
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| 13:19.56 | zaphands | Hello. Where can I find the text of the login prompt? |
| 13:20.11 | abrotman | which text ? |
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| 13:20.23 | zaphands | welcome to this machine bla bla... |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | /etc/issue and/or /etc/motd |
| 13:20.44 | zaphands | Thanks. |
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| 13:20.56 | abrotman | i think that's what you're looking for |
| 13:21.08 | zaphands | Yep! it is! |
| 13:21.33 | psycodad | hi, how can i get completely rid of lvm2 ? I had a vlg with 2 disks, of which one failed and was replaced, now i want to restart creating the lvg from scratch but it always complains about missing the failed disk. I issued aptitude purge lvm2 && rm -rf /etc/lvm* but still it knows about the removed disk... |
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| 13:26.04 | Mazingaro | karsten: I fixed the iceape issue |
| 13:28.23 | sam_uk | is there a good irc channel for asking questions about sound? i want to know about compatability of jack and alsaconf |
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| 13:30.37 | ilyak | What's wrong with my iptables policy? http://pastebin.ca/307860 |
| 13:31.00 | ilyak | Masquerade works just fine, but I no longer can acess 192.168.1.2's resources from 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | ask #iptables ? |
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| 13:31.59 | Surmama | Hey, I have a simple backupfile of my harddisk (backup.img) which include bootsector and 3 partitions. How do I mount a single partition of that file? |
| 13:32.35 | blondie | you probably dont |
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| 13:32.49 | pstickne | could try mounting as a loopback |
| 13:33.06 | Surmama | yeah, but then I have like /dev/hda, but I need /dev/hda1 |
| 13:33.29 | Surmama | Just that this is afaik not possible with loopback |
| 13:33.49 | pstickne | mount as loopback, dd just the partition to another loopback, mount |
| 13:34.05 | Surmama | How do I know where to start and where to stop dd-ing? |
| 13:34.44 | pstickne | tried google? |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | if you dd just the parition .. dd will know where to stop |
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| 13:35.32 | asdfhqegasdf | !set up x |
| 13:35.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 13:35.36 | pstickne | arieler137, but he has 3 partitions inside a raw-hd dump, I think. |
| 13:35.48 | asdfhqegasdf | !nvidia oneliner |
| 13:35.49 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 13:36.02 | pstickne | will fdisk work on a loopback? |
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| 13:36.37 | abrotman | asdfhqegasdf: msg the bot please |
| 13:37.03 | asdfhqegasdf | abrotman, i am done, but yah, true |
| 13:37.10 | asdfhqegasdf | sorry |
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| 13:43.06 | sam_uk | can alsaconf settings be made to 'stick' between reboots? currently i have to run it after every boot... |
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| 13:43.12 | slicky | hey, is it possible to install debian netinstall via ssh? with no fysical contact with the computer? |
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| 13:44.14 | blondie | slicky: dunno about net install |
| 13:44.27 | blondie | slicky: you'd probably need to use debootstrap |
| 13:44.38 | slicky | whats that? |
| 13:44.53 | blondie | i've installed debian with only ssh access, but it required reboot access, and being able to boot the machine into "recovery" mode from the network |
| 13:44.57 | blondie | !debootstrap |
| 13:44.58 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 13:45.46 | Pc_Dark | Blondie: KVM OVER IP is the easiest though |
| 13:45.54 | slicky | blondie ok, ye. so if my friend boots up the debian cd into bash.. and activates ssh.. then i can login and finnish the installation? |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: and if the machine has no IP ? |
| 13:46.20 | Pc_Dark | How can I activate my stupid internet wireles card |
| 13:46.34 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: use the right driver |
| 13:46.42 | Pc_Dark | Then you can't get through SSH, can you? |
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| 13:47.13 | Pc_Dark | Err, it connected on startup |
| 13:47.15 | Pc_Dark | when i installed |
| 13:47.16 | blondie | slicky: well I dont think the install CD has an ssh server |
| 13:47.37 | Pc_Dark | it has no internet, I need the exact commands ;( |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | i think it does |
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| 13:48.12 | Pc_Dark | how do i use the driver |
| 13:48.21 | Pc_Dark | and input the ESSID & WEP |
| 13:49.17 | CaspeR- | hi all :) do you know some tutorials about how to tweak a debian ? |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | iwconfig |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | CaspeR-: tweak it for what ? |
| 13:49.39 | Pc_Dark | OH |
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| 13:49.45 | pstickne | to make it FASTAR! |
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| 13:50.01 | CaspeR- | yes, to make it faster |
| 13:50.02 | CaspeR- | :) |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | how is it that noone has named a hardware company "FASTAR" yet ? |
| 13:50.12 | pstickne | no, not faster, FASTAR! |
| 13:50.34 | pstickne | abrotman, ooh. good idea! :) |
| 13:50.34 | Pc_Dark | iwconfig just showed all the cards |
| 13:50.42 | pstickne | Pc_Dark, see the man page. |
| 13:50.51 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: man iwconfig .. reading is good |
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| 13:51.53 | pstickne | CaspeR-, the two biggest bottlenecks (only thing I've even bothered to look at) are disk IO (make sure you have DMA on!) and X video acceleration. |
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| 13:52.31 | CaspeR- | k, thanks |
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| 13:53.53 | faycal | the wireless card is detected but can't see the access point |
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| 13:55.42 | Pc_Dark | after i set ESSID: what do I do |
| 13:56.42 | Pc_Dark | i did: iwconfig wifi0 WEP mywep |
| 13:56.43 | Pc_Dark | and |
| 13:56.50 | Pc_Dark | iwconfig wifi0 ESSID linksys |
| 13:56.53 | Pc_Dark | i mean key, not wep |
| 13:57.31 | sebas891 | hi, I'm having issues with the resolution of domains in my browser and in the shell, they are not the same ??? |
| 13:57.49 | sebas891 | i use testing |
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| 13:59.11 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: you rerun iwconfig to check the WLAN-AP was picked correctly (= there is a AP-MAC in the output) |
| 13:59.21 | Pc_Dark | k.. |
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| 13:59.34 | sebas891 | I want to force the resolution of domain from my host file instead of using a dns service |
| 13:59.53 | Pc_Dark | it has all the right info |
| 14:00.01 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't say ap-mac tho |
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| 14:00.38 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: usually a typo in the WEP-key. Can you put the iwconfig-output into a pastebin ? |
| 14:00.49 | faycal | Pc_Dark: how to check the point access, the card is detected but the ping to the access point fails |
| 14:01.07 | sebas891 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.44 | Pc_Dark | yea |
| 14:02.31 | sebas891 | the weird stuff is resolve from my host file when I do ping but it is not working from the browser... instead it is using the dns service :p |
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| 14:05.10 | Pc_Dark | http://paste.o-ss.net/?id=347 |
| 14:06.22 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: are you really, really sure your WLAN-AP uses WEP and not WPA ? |
| 14:06.40 | Pc_Dark | Yea I'll screenshot my router |
| 14:07.13 | Pc_Dark | Security Mode: |
| 14:07.13 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.13 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.13 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.13 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.34 | Pc_Dark | WEP is the mode |
| 14:08.25 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: OK, does "iwlist wifi0 scanning" list your network ? |
| 14:08.41 | Pc_Dark | sec |
| 14:09.09 | Pc_Dark | how do you scroll up ;S |
| 14:09.20 | pumpkin0 | ctrl-pageup |
| 14:09.46 | Pc_Dark | just beeps ;s |
| 14:09.56 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: sorry, shift-pageup |
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| 14:10.09 | Pc_Dark | yes, it's t here |
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| 14:12.12 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: does that card work under windows with that AP ? |
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| 14:15.23 | Be_Linux | helloe i'm new usr in debian and i downloade this version " http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ " and iwant to know how can i edit the sources.list so ican update and upgrade my virsion of dist and programe |
| 14:15.51 | abrotman | Be_Linux: you just installed etch .. that should be fine |
| 14:16.09 | zamuro | Be_Linux: You're all good so far... |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | Be_Linux: is there somehting specific you're looking for ? |
| 14:16.26 | zamuro | That'll work for awhile ^_^ |
| 14:16.33 | ocr | I have trouble with Tomcat5 on Debian Etch - I get numerous missing classes, and essential classes too - such as Catalina.jar (server/lib) and commons-digester.jar (server/lib, link to ../../../java/commons... which is link to commons-digester-1.7.jar) |
| 14:17.04 | Be_Linux | iwant to update and upgrade my virsion of dist and programe online |
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| 14:17.21 | abrotman | Be_Linux: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere ? |
| 14:18.16 | zamuro | Anywhere but here LOL |
| 14:18.30 | tonyb2007 | rafb.net/paste |
| 14:19.03 | Be_Linux | when ilook to the source.list i find just to links that linke to the cds i download when i try to do online update that gives me nothing |
| 14:19.23 | Be_Linux | when ilook to the source.list i find just tow links that linke to the cds i download when i try to do online update that gives me nothing |
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| 14:19.58 | Pc_Dark | No work |
| 14:20.08 | zamuro | Be_Linux: Comment or erase that line... That's it. |
| 14:20.09 | Pc_Dark | i put the correct key & SSID in.. |
| 14:20.09 | ilyak | Be_Linux: Well |
| 14:20.14 | ilyak | Put links there |
| 14:20.20 | pumpkin0 | Be_Linux: add the line "deb ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free", run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" |
| 14:20.35 | ilyak | like, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:20.54 | Pc_Dark | why won't my iwconfig connect ;( |
| 14:21.24 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: which driver do you use ? |
| 14:21.52 | Pc_Dark | iwconfig |
| 14:22.11 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: which kernel-module for the WLAN-card ? |
| 14:22.20 | Pc_Dark | it worked@! |
| 14:22.21 | Pc_Dark | yay |
| 14:22.32 | Pc_Dark | thanks mr. pumpkin0 |
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| 14:22.51 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: ... typo in WEP-key ? |
| 14:23.13 | Pc_Dark | no, wrong card |
| 14:23.30 | Pc_Dark | it was eth0 not wifi0 |
| 14:23.35 | Pc_Dark | ;) |
| 14:23.58 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: ... uhm... OK. |
| 14:24.05 | abrotman | hehe .. mr. pumpkin0 |
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| 14:24.25 | Pc_Dark | apt-get update wouldn't grab the neccasary things th ough ;( |
| 14:24.40 | Pc_Dark | i must install gnome & X |
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| 14:25.03 | pumpkin0 | !install gnome |
| 14:25.03 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 14:25.03 | Pc_Dark | should i do |
| 14:25.07 | abrotman | pumpkin0: why the fuck did you tell him that? |
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| 14:25.16 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you just gave that guy unstable |
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| 14:25.39 | Pc_Dark | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:25.49 | Pc_Dark | can i have a link to a stable release, us please |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 14:26.09 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 14:26.17 | Pc_Dark | how do you leave nano |
| 14:26.24 | Vich | ctrl-x |
| 14:27.31 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 14:27.43 | pstickne | kswapd acts retarded if you don't have swap enabled; even though it doesn't need to use swap. |
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| 14:28.12 | pstickne | actually, I guess it's retarded either way. |
| 14:28.57 | ZacZac | I'm compiling a kernel at this time, for the first time (the latest stable one (2.6.19.1) from kernel.org, with unaltered config, using the make-dpkg). While compliling now and then "Warnings" are shown. Is the kernel build correctly anyway? |
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| 14:29.11 | Pc_Dark | it can't connect to security.debian.org |
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| 14:29.53 | pstickne | ZacZac, inspect the warnings. If they aren't errors-propper, go for it ^^ |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | ZacZac: ask #kernel |
| 14:31.47 | liri | I wonder if I can use ndiswrapper to get my lexmark x1190 printer working |
| 14:32.06 | abrotman | ndiswrapper is for network |
| 14:32.10 | ZacZac | Thanks! Will part and join #kernel ... |
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| 14:32.12 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 14:32.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 14:32.44 | abrotman | liri: ask #ndiswrapper |
| 14:33.17 | Pc_Dark | i need some slight advice, should i write a irc bot in C, C++, java, or python.. |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | oh .. i'd use haskell |
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| 14:34.16 | liri | yeap |
| 14:34.31 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: whatever plugin-interface your irc-client has. |
| 14:34.43 | Pc_Dark | not an irc-client |
| 14:34.50 | Pc_Dark | a bot itself.. |
| 14:35.59 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: it is easier to write a irc-bot that works as plugin in a irc-client then to write one from scratch. There are libe for irc but most irc-client plugin-framworks are better / easier to use. |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | that's a piss poor way to look at it |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | and mildly OT for #debian :) |
| 14:36.50 | pablo_ | abrotman: i am back, http://pastebin.com/852716 |
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| 14:37.28 | abrotman | pablo_: good for you! |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | pablo_: what are you showing me ? |
| 14:38.00 | pablo_ | abrotman: the iwconfig |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:38.11 | johaBBa | i have a bunch of pictures, mp3s, and tv shows in mpeg. what can i use to setup a "play-on-demand" media server for my lan? |
| 14:38.25 | abrotman | pablo_: if you run 'ifconfig -a' .. does eth0 have an IP ? |
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| 14:38.38 | Pc_Dark | how do I enable the SSH server |
| 14:38.41 | pablo_ | abrotman: there is something strange because all seems ok but the wireless doesnt works |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: install it |
| 14:38.58 | pablo_ | abrotman: no |
| 14:39.14 | pablo_ | abrotman: in ifconfig -a eth0 has no ip |
| 14:39.30 | Pc_Dark | err |
| 14:39.35 | Pc_Dark | what do I do to install the ssh |
| 14:39.44 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install ssh ? |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | pablo_: and 'dhclient eth0' does what ? |
| 14:39.51 | ilyak | Where should I put an environment variable |
| 14:39.56 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: apt-get install ssh |
| 14:40.01 | Pc_Dark | o kie dokey |
| 14:40.02 | abrotman | or openssh-server |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | iLLf8d: for everyone ? |
| 14:40.16 | abrotman | ilyak: |
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| 14:40.57 | LightKnight | Hi. Can anybody send emails from Galeon via Mutt, or can reproduce this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405387 |
| 14:41.11 | pablo_ | abrotman: it does DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 then 15 then 9 then 11 then 13... but it necer gets its ip |
| 14:41.36 | pablo_ | abrotman: it doesnt comunicates with the router |
| 14:42.06 | Pc_Dark | installin gnome ;) |
| 14:42.23 | Pc_Dark | debian seems to be better then gentoo |
| 14:42.26 | Pc_Dark | easier to use i guess |
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| 14:43.04 | abrotman | pablo_: is your SSID on the router "linksys" ? |
| 14:43.06 | janttsu | how can i apt-get install <list-of-packages> ? |
| 14:43.25 | pablo_ | abrotman: sure, i configurated it |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | pablo_: no capital letters ? |
| 14:43.47 | pablo_ | abrotman: i put it when the netinstall asked for it and it worked that time |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | janttsu: just type them all there .. apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ... pkgn |
| 14:43.53 | LightKnight | janttsu: apt-get install `cat packagelist` :-P |
| 14:43.57 | ilyak | So it'll be effective for all processes that ever run? |
| 14:44.00 | ilyak | abrotman: sure |
| 14:44.02 | ilyak | For every user |
| 14:44.04 | ilyak | And for background system processes |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | ilyak: /etc/profile |
| 14:44.22 | h3sp4wn | janttsu: /msg dpkg debian-clone |
| 14:44.34 | h3sp4wn | janttsu: Thats is probably a nicer way of doing it |
| 14:44.44 | LightKnight | janttsu: Or, if they're on per line: for i in `cat packagelist`; do apt-get install $i; done |
| 14:44.55 | LightKnight | (or something, don't take my word for that) :-P |
| 14:45.00 | ilyak | abrotman: thanx, but will it work everywhere? |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | ilyak: not all shells read profiles |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | LightKnight: i've not seen that .. though i admit . i don't use mutt for mail |
| 14:45.57 | LightKnight | !debian-clone |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | !tell LightKnight about debian clone |
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| 14:46.13 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: no - |
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| 14:46.20 | ilyak | abrotman: I need shells, daemons, everything |
| 14:46.20 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: thx |
| 14:46.23 | LightKnight | abrotman: do you use Galeon? |
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| 14:46.27 | LightKnight | abrotman: thank you :-) |
| 14:46.45 | abrotman | LightKnight: i was going to .. has annoyances i can't get past .. and apparently there's no hack |
| 14:46.54 | abrotman | ilyak: that's your best bet |
| 14:46.59 | pablo_ | abrotman: any idea what can be happening? |
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| 14:47.15 | abrotman | pablo_: any errors in the logs ? |
| 14:47.20 | janttsu | LightKnight: thanks.. that's what i was looking for |
| 14:47.34 | pablo_ | abrotman: let me see |
| 14:47.46 | ilyak | abrotman: OK |
| 14:47.47 | abrotman | LightKnight: is that your bug ? |
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| 14:48.29 | LightKnight | abrotman: I didn't file that, but that's what happens to me also. |
| 14:48.44 | abrotman | LightKnight: what happens when you do click a mailto link ? |
| 14:49.09 | LightKnight | abrotman: absolutely nothing -- no reaction, no error message in terminal or tty. Nothing. |
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| 14:49.46 | abrotman | oh wait ... i was mucking with epiphany ... not galeon |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | and epiphany uses my "chosen" mail client |
| 14:50.27 | LightKnight | oh. |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | LightKnight: how did you set the mail client in the gnome settings ? |
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| 14:51.15 | riot | where does reportbug fetch my email-address from? |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | riot: you set it the first time |
| 14:51.39 | riot | abrotman: oh. so dpkg-reconfigure can change it? |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | riot: cat ~/.reportbugrc |
| 14:51.57 | riot | abrotman: thx :) |
| 14:52.38 | LightKnight | abrotman: I don't use gnome -- I guess I set that in an older version of Galeon, where everything was not demanded to the Gnome panel. |
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| 14:53.29 | abrotman | LightKnight: but you still have to set the default gnome mail app |
| 14:53.50 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.44 | pablo_ | abrotman: found nothing wrong, i dont know if this means something ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 14:55.24 | LightKnight | abrotman: Hmmm... how can I do that? |
| 14:55.38 | Pc_Dark | is gnome really this big.. |
| 14:55.50 | Pc_Dark | 600+MB |
| 14:55.52 | abrotman | LightKnight: run that command |
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| 14:56.13 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: how did you install it ? |
| 14:56.44 | robin_z | greetings, Hylafax on Sarge ... any idea on how to make it pipe rxd faxes to lpr? |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | robin_z: totally in the docs/FAQ |
| 14:57.37 | LightKnight | abrotman: command not found -- I told you I have no gnome :) |
| 14:57.49 | robin_z | abrotman: just an observation, given the amount of time you spend on here, either you are paid to do this, your boss hasn;t noticed you do this ... am I close? |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | LightKnight: install-ify it :) |
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| 14:58.05 | abrotman | !find bin/gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 14:58.07 | adrakoa | hi |
| 14:58.10 | abrotman | robin_z: neither! |
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| 14:58.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-default-applications-properties' (1): (/usr/bin/gnome-default-applications-properties) in gnome/gnome-control-center. |
| 14:58.28 | LightKnight | abrotman: would gconftool[2] do the same? |
| 14:58.31 | abrotman | robin_z: boss knows .. and i don't get paid to do this .. but i do IRC while at work :) |
| 14:58.37 | adrakoa | hi, i make a nmu (the manteiner said to me), where should i send? |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | LightKnight: NFC |
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| 14:59.42 | pablo_ | abrotman: no clu? |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | LightKnight: that'd be a #gnome question :) |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | pablo_: about that .. no |
| 14:59.50 | LightKnight | Oh, OK :) |
| 14:59.57 | LightKnight | Thank you :) |
| 14:59.59 | abrotman | pablo_: seems like it should work .. |
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| 15:00.08 | abrotman | LightKnight: but try that applet |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | robin_z: does that bother you ? |
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| 15:00.49 | LightKnight | abrotman: I'll think about that, thank you :) |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:01.00 | pablo_ | abrotman: thats why it is strange |
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| 15:01.25 | black_abaddon | http://s1.bitefight.ba/c.php?uid=37762 |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | robin_z: ack .. they changed the faq-o-matic |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | black_abaddon: STOP |
| 15:01.36 | black_abaddon | why? |
| 15:02.04 | streuner | SPAM |
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| 15:02.08 | abrotman | robin_z: http://www.hylafax.org/site2/HylaFAQ/Q313.html |
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| 15:02.16 | abrotman | robin_z: it was in the old FAQ |
| 15:02.25 | black_abaddon | http://s1.bitefight.ba/c.php?uid=37762 |
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| 15:02.51 | abrotman | !ops black_abaddon repeat spammer |
| 15:02.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: black_abaddon repeat spammer |
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| 15:03.19 | Edwin_Jaws | Kernel panic - not syncing |
| 15:03.28 | Pc_Dark | is there an easy way to install openoffice |
| 15:03.40 | Edwin_Jaws | somebodi has any cluee about this in installationj |
| 15:03.44 | streuner | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 15:03.46 | abrotman | pablo_: what if you try with a static IP ? |
| 15:03.50 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: apt-get install openoffice.org ? |
| 15:04.07 | Pc_Dark | ok thanks |
| 15:04.27 | Pc_Dark | how do i initiate gnome, its installed & unpakced |
| 15:04.32 | Pc_Dark | X is installed |
| 15:04.44 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: "startx" |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | install gdm |
| 15:04.51 | Pc_Dark | gdm? |
| 15:04.55 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: apt-get install gdm |
| 15:04.56 | abrotman | apt-get install gdm |
| 15:05.00 | Pc_Dark | what's it do.. |
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| 15:05.04 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: then /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:05.11 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: gdm is a loginmanager ... |
| 15:05.13 | Edwin_Jaws | I get an error tryin to install debian into dualcore 64bits |
| 15:05.14 | Pc_Dark | oh |
| 15:05.24 | Edwin_Jaws | not syncing |
| 15:05.31 | abrotman | !dm |
| 15:05.32 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 15:05.33 | Pc_Dark | I need to use this computer for some school stuff you see, but I need to install gnome and everything |
| 15:05.33 | Edwin_Jaws | this is the error and kernel panic |
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| 15:05.47 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 15:05.49 | Granjow | hi you |
| 15:05.53 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: What motherboard ? |
| 15:05.53 | Pc_Dark | Umm |
| 15:05.58 | Pc_Dark | i already installed the first 2 |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | okay .. so install the last |
| 15:06.06 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 15:06.09 | Pc_Dark | will do |
| 15:06.22 | Granjow | Can I make iceweasel not deleting the whole address in the address list when hitting ctrl-backspace? |
| 15:06.23 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: try - install noapic and install noapic nolapic |
| 15:06.47 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: (if you use a newer nforce board that may help) |
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| 15:07.04 | Edwin_Jaws | h3sp4wnÑ is s server HP Proliant ML350 Xeon 1.6DualCore 64bits |
| 15:07.46 | Pc_Dark | wow thats a good computer |
| 15:07.52 | Edwin_Jaws | h3sp4wn:DebianTesting AMD64 |
| 15:08.19 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: Using rc1 installer ? |
| 15:08.21 | Edwin_Jaws | Pc_Dark: but I cant install any Linux is a chunck for me now :( |
| 15:08.32 | Pc_Dark | :( |
| 15:08.43 | Edwin_Jaws | h3sp4wn; yes |
| 15:08.43 | Pc_Dark | how much did that cost btw |
| 15:09.00 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: Try using a daily support for the newest intel chipsets was added to 2.6.18 |
| 15:09.09 | Pc_Dark | im looking into a 2GB RAM 3.2GHz Dual XEON 250GB SATA |
| 15:09.13 | Edwin_Jaws | Pc_Dark: USD1800.00 but I am not in USA |
| 15:09.22 | Pc_Dark | wow thats expensive |
| 15:09.35 | Pc_Dark | im gonna build it myself, <3 newegg |
| 15:09.38 | Edwin_Jaws | Pc_Dark: well, my client can pais |
| 15:09.42 | Edwin_Jaws | paid |
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| 15:09.48 | Pc_Dark | mm |
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| 15:10.07 | Edwin_Jaws | h3sp4wn: but dayli is not unstable_ |
| 15:10.16 | Edwin_Jaws | so unstable |
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| 15:10.35 | Edwin_Jaws | this is for a server in productionç |
| 15:10.45 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:11.04 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: Its only to install it - as soon as you dist-upgrade you would get 2.6.18 anyway |
| 15:11.19 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: etch will be released with 2.6.18 |
| 15:11.48 | Edwin_Jaws | h3sp4wn this dayli |
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| 15:13.24 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: It says if you have hardware or other issues try the above |
| 15:13.28 | Edwin_Jaws | Maybe , I cant use debian-linux in this server |
| 15:13.34 | Edwin_Jaws | :( |
| 15:13.51 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: You could try sarge with 2.6.18 |
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| 15:13.57 | Pc_Dark | !gdm |
| 15:13.57 | dpkg | i guess gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 15:14.00 | Pc_Dark | o ok |
| 15:14.14 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: But then you would only have 32 bit |
| 15:14.27 | Edwin_Jaws | sarge doesnt recognize my disk sata |
| 15:14.37 | Pc_Dark | Get a new disk then |
| 15:14.39 | Edwin_Jaws | i try too |
| 15:14.46 | h3sp4wn | Edwin_Jaws: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:14.50 | Pc_Dark | hard disks arre super cheap.. |
| 15:14.58 | Edwin_Jaws | I have 2 sata disk |
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| 15:15.04 | h3sp4wn | It wouldn't be the disk it would be the controller |
| 15:15.10 | Edwin_Jaws | into embeded raid |
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| 15:15.46 | Pc_Dark | How can I see a list of apt-get packages |
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| 15:16.10 | abrotman | of all of them |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:16.30 | asg | apt-cache search . |
| 15:17.00 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 15:17.04 | zOap | how can one know the window name like the chat window of amsn? isn''t there an app that does this? |
| 15:17.11 | Pc_Dark | I installed gdm, gnome, and x-windows-core or whatever |
| 15:17.16 | Pc_Dark | how do i start it |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:17.28 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 15:17.32 | Edwin_Jaws | I cant think that I have to install Windows |
| 15:17.47 | LukaS04 | hi |
| 15:17.55 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: it will fail if the x-server is not setup.. |
| 15:17.58 | MASoft | Edwin_Jaws: install Gentoo ! you have to install win ? |
| 15:18.03 | Pc_Dark | so |
| 15:18.03 | LukaS04 | i have a question about a bnc network |
| 15:18.04 | Pc_Dark | i do |
| 15:18.06 | Pc_Dark | xsetup.sh ? |
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| 15:18.19 | MASoft | LukaS04: Ask, but not ask to ask |
| 15:18.26 | LukaS04 | ok |
| 15:18.36 | pumpkin0 | !tell Pc_Dark about drxx |
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| 15:19.14 | abrotman | hehhe .. BNC |
| 15:19.31 | LukaS04 | i have a network card with a bnc port, aaui port and a rj-45 port it's teh fast etherlink xl pci 3c905b-combo from 3com |
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| 15:19.43 | toresbe | BNC? |
| 15:19.45 | Edwin_Jaws | MASoftb Gentoo |
| 15:19.47 | LukaS04 | my problem ist that i can't use the bnc port |
| 15:19.59 | toresbe | LukaS04: Why can't you? Not enough cables? |
| 15:20.00 | abrotman | i believe you have to tell the module which jack to use |
| 15:20.09 | LukaS04 | no everything is right |
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| 15:20.39 | LukaS04 | with this pc i'm in the network to and it works |
| 15:20.42 | Pc_Dark | how do i setup the desktop, the screen is too small |
| 15:20.52 | toresbe | LukaS04: May I ask why you're using BNC, btw? |
| 15:20.55 | LukaS04 | th rj-45 port also works at the debian pc |
| 15:21.04 | Granjow | Can I make iceweasel not deleting the whole address in the address list when hitting ctrl-backspace? |
| 15:21.18 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: small resulution (800x600) or small fonts (=> high resolution) ? |
| 15:21.26 | toresbe | LukaS04: ethtool -s eth0 port bnc #? |
| 15:21.33 | Pc_Dark | high res |
| 15:21.43 | Pc_Dark | i need to set it up |
| 15:21.55 | Pc_Dark | xsetup.sh was in different packages i found |
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| 15:21.59 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: did you run the drxx-factoid dpkg gave you ? |
| 15:21.59 | LukaS04 | we have installed it in 2002 and until no we do not upgrade the network |
| 15:22.05 | Pc_Dark | no |
| 15:22.12 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: do it... |
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| 15:22.31 | Pc_Dark | so what do i type |
| 15:22.31 | toresbe | LukaS04: did you run the command I gave you? |
| 15:22.50 | hark | Granjow: it dosen't |
| 15:23.23 | Granjow | hark: huh? Mine always deletes the whole address, not only to the next slash. |
| 15:23.25 | pumpkin0 | !tell Pc_Dark about drxx |
| 15:23.35 | LukaS04 | yes, "bash: ethtool: command not found" |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | install it ... |
| 15:23.46 | toresbe | LukaS04: sudo apt-get install ethtool |
| 15:23.54 | toresbe | LukaS04: you did run ethtool as root, though? |
| 15:23.59 | LukaS04 | as root |
| 15:24.05 | toresbe | oh, nm, it's not in sbin. |
| 15:24.11 | toresbe | LukaS04: install ethtool |
| 15:24.17 | Pc_Dark | what is dpkg coded in |
| 15:24.24 | toresbe | Pc_Dark: vim, mostly |
| 15:24.25 | hark | Granjow: hmm, ir deletes whatever is left of the cursor for me |
| 15:24.32 | Pc_Dark | vim? |
| 15:24.33 | LukaS04 | the problem is i don't have internet at this pc :/ |
| 15:24.37 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: C |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | or perl .. |
| 15:24.41 | Pc_Dark | ah |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | can't remembe rwhich |
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| 15:24.49 | toresbe | LukaS04: oh... hm. Do you have a USB stick or something? |
| 15:24.53 | LukaS04 | yes |
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| 15:25.11 | toresbe | LukaS04: transfer the relevant modules |
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| 15:25.18 | toresbe | s/modules/packages |
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| 15:25.31 | Granjow | hark: I want that it deletes only to the next /, is that possible? If I have e.g. something/test.html, I wanna have something/ afterwards and not nothig. |
| 15:25.44 | rafiks | has anybody seen twiki.iwethy.org? |
| 15:25.46 | Pc_Dark | how do i turn off gnome |
| 15:25.59 | robin_z | sigh .. now, how can I get a test incoming fax to my system in th UK? there must be some shonky fax service I can use? |
| 15:25.59 | LukaS04 | ok, one moment |
| 15:26.02 | toresbe | Pc_Dark: ...what do you mean? |
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| 15:26.21 | toresbe | LukaS04: packages.debian.org will allow you to download the packages |
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| 15:26.44 | Pc_Dark | well |
| 15:26.49 | Pc_Dark | when i rebooted, it autostarteed gnome |
| 15:26.55 | Pc_Dark | I need to configure dpkg and stuff first |
| 15:27.03 | Pc_Dark | so i need to get back into terminal mode |
| 15:27.06 | DerJamster | open a console and do that? |
| 15:27.06 | toresbe | Pc_Dark: you mean GDM? |
| 15:27.12 | toresbe | Pc_Dark: just do ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:27.20 | DerJamster | no need to get into full terminal mode, just open up a console window.. |
| 15:27.23 | cast | toresbe: better tell him how to get back, too |
| 15:27.50 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | !tell johndenver about root |
| 15:27.50 | DerJamster | that's what they're there for. |
| 15:27.51 | tonyb2007 | does etch have glibc2.4 yet :? |
| 15:27.51 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | tonyb2007: and it won't |
| 15:27.52 | DerJamster | Etch is frozen, so no. |
| 15:27.53 | tonyb2007 | oh |
| 15:27.53 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:27.58 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4608 kB, Installed size: 11088 kB |
| 15:28.09 | abrotman | !info libc6 experimental |
| 15:28.10 | blondie | toresbe: can you help with 10base5? |
| 15:28.12 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-0exp3 (experimental), Packaged size: 4283 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 15:28.15 | blondie | and vampire taps |
| 15:28.16 | tonyb2007 | !info libc6 unstable |
| 15:28.22 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 4589 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 15:28.28 | DerJamster | heh. |
| 15:28.28 | Pc_Dark | how do i find my video card's bus identifier |
| 15:28.33 | adrakoa | !help |
| 15:28.40 | blondie | !halp |
| 15:28.45 | rafiks | Pc_Dark lspci |
| 15:28.47 | tonyb2007 | Pc_Dark: lspci |
| 15:28.49 | adrakoa | !help help |
| 15:28.54 | tonyb2007 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.04 | blondie | adrakoa: what do you want? |
| 15:29.05 | pumpkin0 | !tell Pc_Dark about which driver |
| 15:29.07 | adrakoa | !df |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | df is, like, used to report filesystem disk space usage. |
| 15:29.14 | abrotman | tonyb2007: huh ? |
| 15:29.21 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: leave it blank |
| 15:29.22 | tonyb2007 | why are you going !help... |
| 15:29.27 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: do NOT fill out that line |
| 15:29.28 | adrakoa | blondie: see the options.. |
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| 15:29.36 | blondie | adrakoa: what options?> |
| 15:29.40 | adrakoa | ! --help :p |
| 15:29.50 | MatBoy | !remove kde |
| 15:29.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
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| 15:30.13 | MatBoy | mhh seems to be not that OK |
| 15:30.13 | tonyb2007 | what becomes the new the new Testing after etch becomes stable? |
| 15:30.16 | abrotman | lenny |
| 15:30.18 | adrakoa | blondie: bot options |
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| 15:30.28 | blondie | !msg |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 15:30.28 | toresbe | blondie: yes of course |
| 15:30.35 | Pc_Dark | how do i start gnome again |
| 15:30.36 | toresbe | blondie: I have a frozen garden hose network |
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| 15:30.42 | blondie | toresbe: does it work? |
| 15:30.46 | toresbe | yes |
| 15:30.52 | toresbe | (somehow) |
| 15:30.53 | Pc_Dark | like /etc/something/gdm start |
| 15:30.54 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: /etc/init.d/gdm start (maybe restart) |
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| 15:30.58 | adrakoa | thx blondie |
| 15:30.58 | Pc_Dark | k |
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| 15:31.11 | blondie | toresbe: actually... I'd like to know the trick to attaching bloody AUI connectos |
| 15:31.14 | blondie | +r |
| 15:31.29 | blondie | I can't make the metal clip slide... there's no room :S |
| 15:31.42 | johnddd | hi |
| 15:31.49 | Pc_Dark | it says x server isn't configured correctly |
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| 15:32.16 | johnddd | how do i autostart a program in x, i put exec xclock into xinirc in the /etc/X11/xinit directory, but nothing happens |
| 15:32.34 | LukaS04 | ok, i have installed it and i did the command |
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| 15:33.12 | LukaS04 | "Cannot get current device settings: Operation not supported not setting port" is the answer |
| 15:34.00 | toresbe | "One, and only one, terminator must be connected to ground via a ground wire." I did not know that |
| 15:34.14 | johnddd | could somebody help me? |
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| 15:34.37 | pumpkin0 | johnddd: look for ~/.xsession |
| 15:34.48 | Granjow | hark: isn't that possible? |
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| 15:35.46 | LukaS04 | is there a possibility to set the port? |
| 15:36.02 | Pc_Dark | i don't know my LCD monitors identifier |
| 15:36.06 | Pc_Dark | its from a dell inspiron 9300 |
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| 15:37.26 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: identifier ? Put the config /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.0.log into a pastebin. Or rerun the drxx-thing. |
| 15:37.47 | Pc_Dark | UGH |
| 15:37.57 | Pc_Dark | I need to get gnome working properly :( |
| 15:38.14 | Zap-W | yo #lesbian |
| 15:38.22 | cast | uh |
| 15:38.24 | amphi | *snort* |
| 15:38.28 | janttsu | can i use crypted LVM or is it too unstable? |
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| 15:38.35 | hark | Granjow: don't know but i'd like to know as well ;) |
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| 15:39.18 | hark | Pc_Dark: dosen't matter, you can just about accept the defaults. Just remember to choose your resolution. |
| 15:39.21 | LukaS04 | hmm nobody knows something to help me :/ |
| 15:39.29 | johnddd | now what do i put into that xsession, dont quite understand it |
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| 15:39.44 | MASoft | LukaS04: what's wrong ? |
| 15:39.45 | Pc_Dark | erm ok |
| 15:40.09 | LukaS04 | i have problems with my bnc port |
| 15:40.21 | hark | !bnc |
| 15:40.21 | dpkg | from memory, bnc is a connector for coaxial cable such as that used for some video connections and RG58, cheapernet, connections. A BNC connector has a bayonet-type shell with two small knobs on the female connector which lock into spiral slots in the male connector when it is twisted on. used for old workstation monitors, or an IRC session bouncing proxy. Blue Nipple Cover |
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| 15:40.38 | MASoft | LukaS04: right my NICKNAME first of your conv. as I do for you |
| 15:40.39 | hark | ah |
| 15:40.50 | MASoft | LukaS04: sorry, Write :P |
| 15:41.11 | janttsu | and is i use LVM as i use raid 0 now, can GRUB boot from lvm directly? |
| 15:41.18 | janttsu | *and if i use |
| 15:41.29 | blondie | toresbe: it's not necessary to connect either terminator to ground really... but you shouldn't use two because you could get current flowing between unequal "grounds" |
| 15:41.35 | MASoft | LukaS04: BNC port is something physical, and for Linux there is no difference to use RJ45 or BNC |
| 15:41.47 | Zap-W | janttsu: no |
| 15:41.51 | LukaS04 | but it don't use the bnc port |
| 15:42.03 | Pc_Dark | where's my mouse port |
| 15:42.07 | Pc_Dark | its PS/2 |
| 15:42.09 | toresbe | blondie: aha |
| 15:42.11 | Zap-W | janttsu: grub cant boot from lvm |
| 15:42.14 | Pc_Dark | is it /dev/input/mice |
| 15:42.19 | janttsu | Zap-W: so i have to make a "normal" partition for grub as i do now with raid 0 ? |
| 15:42.23 | MASoft | LukaS04: write my NICKNAME first of your conv. as I do for you when speaking to me ! second time |
| 15:42.24 | toresbe | LukaS04: did you do what I asked you to? |
| 15:42.29 | LukaS04 | the rj-45 port is ok but the network with the bnc port doesn't work |
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| 15:42.50 | LukaS04 | yes |
| 15:42.56 | toresbe | LukaS04: and what happened? |
| 15:42.57 | LukaS04 | i have done the command |
| 15:43.00 | Zap-W | janttsu: yes, grub works with raid1 |
| 15:43.06 | LukaS04 | "Cannot get current device settings: Operation not supported not setting port" is the answer |
| 15:43.07 | blondie | LukaS04: it's possible the network card needs configuring to tell it which interface to use... which is usually done by a DOS boot disk ;) |
| 15:43.10 | toresbe | LukaS04: hm |
| 15:43.17 | toresbe | LukaS04: which NIC is this? |
| 15:43.19 | Pc_Dark | it keeps saying not setup properly ! |
| 15:43.23 | MASoft | LukaS04: You must tell complete problem in one message, not use 12 message to just tell your problem. sorry, I can't help you with your current method |
| 15:43.29 | blondie | using 10base2 is icky :| |
| 15:43.34 | Pc_Dark | WHY WONT IT WORK : ( |
| 15:43.36 | Zap-W | janttsu: root partition can be on LVM though.. |
| 15:43.36 | janttsu | Zap-W: do you know if LVM is slower than raid 0 ? |
| 15:43.45 | janttsu | someone said like that.. |
| 15:43.59 | black_abaddon | do you have linux? |
| 15:44.08 | LukaS04 | i have booted with a dos disk and then i used a programme from 3com.com |
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| 15:44.11 | Zap-W | janttsu: don't know , i think both use the same device-mapper driver |
| 15:44.20 | janttsu | ok |
| 15:44.24 | Pc_Dark | grrrr |
| 15:44.30 | toresbe | LukaS04: and what happened? |
| 15:44.32 | janttsu | i'll try encrypted lvm ... |
| 15:44.33 | black_abaddon | fuck |
| 15:44.33 | Pc_Dark | how can i set up X correctly |
| 15:44.39 | blondie | toresbe: help me setup RFC 3549 networking? |
| 15:44.57 | blondie | black_abaddon: I doubt anyone in here is using linux |
| 15:45.01 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (in debian Etch and SID) |
| 15:45.08 | blondie | toresbe: sorry, 2549 |
| 15:45.18 | LukaS04 | http://paste.debian.net/19594 |
| 15:45.35 | LukaS04 | i got this answer from the programm |
| 15:45.35 | toresbe | blondie: I don't like pigeons ;) |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | black_abaddon: are you going to spam us again ? |
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| 15:45.49 | black_abaddon | yes |
| 15:45.52 | black_abaddon | http://s1.bitefight.ba/c.php?uid=37762 |
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| 15:46.10 | abrotman | thank god for ops |
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| 15:46.44 | dvs | whew! I'm glad I missed it. |
| 15:46.45 | black_abaddon | what is debian? |
| 15:46.52 | Pc_Dark | is there any ops here? |
| 15:47.05 | raz0 | There is. |
| 15:47.09 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: Channel OP ? |
| 15:47.11 | rafiks | !debian |
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| 15:47.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 15:47.26 | Pc_Dark | someone please help |
| 15:47.28 | MASoft | black_abaddon: It's something cool ! |
| 15:47.34 | Pc_Dark | I can't properly configure X to work with gnome |
| 15:47.41 | LukaS04 | MASoft: i have the networkcard "fast etherlink xl pci 3c905b-combo" from 3com and i can't use the bnc port only the rj-45 port |
| 15:47.49 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: Did you install gdm ? |
| 15:47.53 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
| 15:47.55 | asg | black_abaddon: www.debian.org |
| 15:47.59 | Pc_Dark | it says x isn't config'd corectly |
| 15:48.07 | black_abaddon | it seems like shit to me |
| 15:48.18 | Pc_Dark | please leave |
| 15:48.19 | dvs | Pc_Dark: Debian 3.1? |
| 15:48.22 | black_abaddon | what does it do? |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | !ops black_abaddon trolling/spamming/being an asshole |
| 15:48.24 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:48.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: black_abaddon trolling/spamming/being an asshole |
| 15:48.25 | Pc_Dark | Yes, stable |
| 15:48.32 | asg | black_abaddon: www.debian.org |
| 15:48.37 | mentor | hmm |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | asg: he's a troll |
| 15:48.40 | hark | Pc_Dark: what is the exact error? |
| 15:48.46 | asg | abrotman: obviously |
| 15:48.50 | Pc_Dark | no error, doesn't show |
| 15:48.50 | MASoft | LukaS04: you want to use both ports in a same time ? |
| 15:49.05 | Pc_Dark | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:49.08 | LukaS04 | MASoft: No, only the bnc port |
| 15:49.12 | Pc_Dark | and it won't owrk |
| 15:49.13 | black_abaddon | do you all have computers? |
| 15:49.16 | dvs | Pc_Dark: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for (EE) |
| 15:49.17 | mentor | black_abaddon: Do you have a valid Debian related question? |
| 15:49.21 | hark | Pc_Dark: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE |
| 15:49.24 | hark | er |
| 15:49.30 | hark | !uuoc |
| 15:49.30 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 15:49.31 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: check Log file, and see what's error |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | mentor: he keeps spamming that stupid URL .. please just ban him |
| 15:49.52 | Pc_Dark | im not running Xorg |
| 15:50.02 | Pc_Dark | I'm running the newest version, apt-get install X |
| 15:50.05 | black_abaddon | when was debian created? |
| 15:50.09 | Pc_Dark | i mean |
| 15:50.12 | black_abaddon | who created it? |
| 15:50.13 | Pc_Dark | x-window-management-core |
| 15:50.14 | Pc_Dark | or something |
| 15:50.22 | mentor | k |
| 15:50.23 | hark | Pc_Dark: haha |
| 15:50.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 15:50.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 15:50.38 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 15:50.45 | mentor | Didn't look back for enough |
| 15:50.46 | asg | ah, the same twonk from yesterday |
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| 15:50.52 | Pc_Dark | what's funny hark |
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| 15:51.17 | PabloFernandes | is there someone here who knows how to redirect the first page of each user in my network? i would like to redirect every first page when the user opens his navigator. thanks in advance |
| 15:51.19 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 15:51.23 | jetscreamer | greetings girthlings |
| 15:51.30 | BrianSteffens | what can i use to theme gnome :O |
| 15:51.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: this is not a US-only channel |
| 15:51.42 | BrianSteffens | jetscreamer: you calling me fat??? >=| |
| 15:51.43 | abrotman | BrianSteffens: the theme manager |
| 15:51.49 | jetscreamer | gnome-themes ? |
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| 15:51.57 | unlink | PabloFernandes: first page of what? |
| 15:51.59 | BrianSteffens | abrotman: durr thanks lol |
| 15:52.01 | jetscreamer | gnome-art iirc |
| 15:52.03 | abrotman | under preferences .. use the Themes |
| 15:52.18 | hark | Pc_Dark: have you installed sarge? |
| 15:52.26 | Pc_Dark | err |
| 15:52.31 | Pc_Dark | i installed regular linux |
| 15:52.34 | dvs | hark: yes, stable |
| 15:52.35 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: try apt-get install x-system-server |
| 15:52.41 | PabloFernandes | unlink: users in a network. any navigator ... |
| 15:52.43 | Pc_Dark | ok... |
| 15:53.09 | Pc_Dark | !gdm |
| 15:53.10 | dpkg | it has been said that gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 15:53.16 | Pc_Dark | umm |
| 15:53.21 | Pc_Dark | i forget what x i installed |
| 15:53.23 | Pc_Dark | i will remove it |
| 15:53.25 | Pc_Dark | !x |
| 15:53.43 | unlink | PabloFernandes: what is a navigator? |
| 15:53.50 | LukaS04 | MASoft: Can you help me? |
| 15:53.57 | hark | MASoft: huh? |
| 15:54.02 | PabloFernandes | unlink: internet browser |
| 15:54.19 | blondie | s/internet/web/ |
| 15:54.21 | MASoft | LukaS04: no |
| 15:54.34 | LukaS04 | ok |
| 15:54.39 | Pc_Dark | couldn't find package x-system-server |
| 15:54.54 | unlink | PabloFernandes: set their home pages |
| 15:54.56 | blondie | it's not called that |
| 15:55.01 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome-art && apt-cache search gnome-theme |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | xorg or x-window-system |
| 15:55.19 | pablo_ | abrotman: finally!! are you there? |
| 15:55.21 | unlink | PabloFernandes: or trap their httpd traffic on your gateway |
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| 15:55.28 | unlink | *http |
| 15:55.28 | PabloFernandes | unlink: nooo, i need to do this automatic in a linux server, i think using squid :/ |
| 15:55.30 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: sorry, try this : apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:55.37 | Pc_Dark | k its installing |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | pablo_: yes |
| 15:55.57 | unlink | PabloFernandes: read the squid docs then |
| 15:56.03 | Pc_Dark | i need to get gnome working so i can do schoolwork on linux ;) |
| 15:56.04 | PabloFernandes | unlink: im trying differents ways to do this, and as yet i didnt achieve it |
| 15:56.04 | pablo_ | abrotman: i found the problem |
| 15:56.04 | janttsu | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 and -amd64-generic? |
| 15:56.12 | Pc_Dark | and to prove to my dad that linux > windows |
| 15:56.14 | PabloFernandes | unlink: i read, of course hehe. |
| 15:56.19 | pablo_ | abrotman: how do i submit this to debian |
| 15:56.28 | PabloFernandes | unlink: this is beyond of simple squid docs |
| 15:56.34 | PabloFernandes | unlink: unfortunately |
| 15:56.41 | abrotman | pablo_: what was it ? |
| 15:56.51 | hark | Pc_Dark: then if it's sarge, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log, iirc |
| 15:56.54 | pablo_ | abrotman: the /etc/pcmcia/config file |
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| 15:57.08 | unlink | PabloFernandes: i've never done this. try google |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | pablo_: reportbug |
| 15:57.16 | blondie | PabloFernandes: #squid? |
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| 15:57.22 | Pc_Dark | umm |
| 15:57.26 | Pc_Dark | i installed x-window-system |
| 15:57.29 | MASoft | PabloFernandes: what's ur problem ? |
| 15:57.33 | blondie | !ur |
| 15:57.34 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 15:57.35 | PabloFernandes | unlink: im writing a redirector_program, but i think theres no way to know when a page is the first :/ |
| 15:57.39 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: try this now : /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 15:57.46 | LukaS04 | i have booted with a dos bootdisk and then i used the cardfind.exe from http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/result.jsp?selected=3&sort=effdt&sku=3C905B-COMBO&order=desc and i get this answer from the programm: http://paste.debian.net/19594 |
| 15:58.02 | blondie | PabloFernandes: well... you could make it redirect all pages until a condition is met |
| 15:58.07 | Pc_Dark | grr |
| 15:58.12 | Pc_Dark | I did |
| 15:58.13 | Pc_Dark | x error |
| 15:58.17 | Pc_Dark | can some1 do it for me :( |
| 15:58.23 | Pc_Dark | masoft |
| 15:58.24 | dvs | Pc_Dark: paste the error |
| 15:58.26 | Pc_Dark | can u do it for me |
| 15:58.29 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: do you have SSH account ? |
| 15:58.30 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't show the error ! |
| 15:58.37 | Pc_Dark | Yeah, I have the port forwarded |
| 15:58.41 | erore | When will etch become stable release? |
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| 15:58.46 | dvs | Pc_Dark: from /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:58.46 | hark | Pc_Dark: then check the log file |
| 15:58.50 | MASoft | Pc_Dark: give your data in PM |
| 15:58.58 | PabloFernandes | blondie: but how will i know "that" page will be the first of a user in a network? |
| 15:58.58 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 15:58.59 | e-matti | hi |
| 15:59.08 | hark | MASoft: all yours |
| 15:59.16 | pablo_ | abrotman: well, it is not a bug, i am just adding support for other cards |
| 15:59.26 | Pc_Dark | i need to register |
| 15:59.28 | Pc_Dark | sec |
| 15:59.33 | MASoft | hark, I love helping people :) |
| 15:59.37 | Ny-Ty | where in repository is wine ? |
| 15:59.55 | Ny-Ty | xwine - graphical user interface for the WINE emulator |
| 15:59.58 | blondie | PabloFernandes: what do you want to redirect them to? you couldn't do it by user, only by IP address or mac address |
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| 16:00.03 | PcDark | ok |
| 16:00.14 | hark | MASoft: heh, enjoy ;) |
| 16:00.18 | Ny-Ty | please |
| 16:00.20 | abrotman | pablo_: ah ok |
| 16:00.22 | Ny-Ty | where in repository is wine |
| 16:00.24 | Ny-Ty | i found only Xwine |
| 16:00.25 | LukaS04 | blondie: do you know how i can set which interfaces i want to use? |
| 16:00.27 | Ny-Ty | and it is only gui |
| 16:00.28 | PabloFernandes | blondie: i need to redirect just the first pages of each user in my network |
| 16:00.34 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: apt-cache search wine |
| 16:00.38 | blondie | PabloFernandes: to what? and why? |
| 16:00.40 | pablo_ | abrotman: found it here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38579 |
| 16:00.45 | blondie | PabloFernandes: and what do you mean by "user"? |
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| 16:00.53 | Ny-Ty | abrotman i`m not lame |
| 16:01.05 | abrotman | it's there |
| 16:01.05 | Ny-Ty | nyty@PiXla:~$ apt-cache search wine |
| 16:01.05 | Ny-Ty | tellico - collection manager for books, videos, music |
| 16:01.06 | Ny-Ty | tellico-data - collection manager for books, videos, music [data] |
| 16:01.06 | Ny-Ty | wine-doc - Windows Emulator (Documentation) |
| 16:01.06 | Ny-Ty | xwine - graphical user interface for the WINE emulator |
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| 16:01.14 | blondie | haha |
| 16:01.18 | blondie | not lame indeed |
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| 16:01.32 | abrotman | not lame? |
| 16:01.36 | Ny-Ty | i dont found it in repository |
| 16:01.38 | Ny-Ty | :| |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: which versino of debian ? |
| 16:01.40 | Ny-Ty | i have x64, it can be problem ? |
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| 16:01.55 | Ny-Ty | linux PiXla 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:01.58 | blondie | apparently |
| 16:02.00 | pablo_ | abrotman: should i submit it? it is a long list for many cards |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | go ahead |
| 16:02.06 | blondie | wine isn't there for me either |
| 16:02.10 | blondie | on amd64 :) |
| 16:02.17 | Ny-Ty | shit |
| 16:02.20 | Ny-Ty | it`s problem |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | wine is i386 only |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | which had you mentioned you had amd64 to start with .. might hve helped :) |
| 16:02.53 | PabloFernandes | blondie: in my company, i have a lot of computers with differents "initial pages (first pages)", i would like to change automaticaly all them to one defined by me. i will also use this with a hotspot (public network) |
| 16:02.58 | blondie | but... doesn't 32-bit stuff work on amd64? |
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| 16:03.12 | abrotman | blondie: you'd need a 32bit chroot for that .. like OO or flash |
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| 16:03.27 | PabloFernandes | blondie: so, i need to put informations about configurations, etc in this page |
| 16:03.39 | Ny-Ty | does |
| 16:03.50 | Ny-Ty | is any program such as wine for amd64? |
| 16:03.55 | blondie | PabloFernandes: I think you'd need to have it based on either the PC rather than the user, or have some kind of login system when they open the browser |
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| 16:04.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.34 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 16:04.45 | Mazingaro | please there are debian images on floppies? |
| 16:04.46 | blondie | abrotman: why? |
| 16:04.51 | blondie | Mazingaro: yes |
| 16:05.00 | Mazingaro | blondie: wehere? debian.org? |
| 16:05.02 | pablo_ | abrotman: should i submit it? it is a long list for many cards, if so how do i do it? |
| 16:05.08 | blondie | abrotman: I mean... if I compile a simple C program on 32-bit, it works on 64-bit |
| 16:05.11 | Ny-Ty | is any program such as wine for amd64? |
| 16:05.24 | blondie | Ny-Ty: you already asked that |
| 16:05.28 | Chmouel | blondie: if you get ia32-libs installed yes |
| 16:05.31 | PabloFernandes | blondie: yes... i made a login script for this, but after the login, i will need same way the first page automatically redirected :/ |
| 16:05.37 | bokey | i need nvidia driver for kernel 2.6.18-3-486 |
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| 16:05.40 | bokey | !nvidia |
| 16:05.40 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | pablo_: yes ? |
| 16:05.49 | PabloFernandes | blondie: because this page will have the "disconnect" buttom |
| 16:05.50 | olskolirc | guys |
| 16:05.54 | olskolirc | i lost internet on my linux |
| 16:05.55 | abrotman | blondie: needs 32bit libraries AFAIK |
| 16:06.01 | Mazingaro | blondie: ? |
| 16:06.02 | olskolirc | im on winblows right now :-( |
| 16:06.04 | bokey | !nvidia-installer |
| 16:06.05 | dpkg | [nvidia-installer] a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | bokey: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:06.14 | blondie | Mazingaro: probably |
| 16:06.16 | bokey | !nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:06.17 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 16:06.18 | jetscreamer | olskolirc: so did you just install and then reboot? |
| 16:06.18 | blondie | !floppies |
| 16:06.23 | blondie | !floppy disk |
| 16:06.23 | Ny-Ty | and where is answer / |
| 16:06.24 | blondie | bah |
| 16:06.24 | Mazingaro | blondie: no! |
| 16:06.26 | olskolirc | every time i tried to put the check back in, in network-admin program, the program freezes |
| 16:06.28 | olskolirc | help me? |
| 16:06.31 | blondie | Mazingaro: what do you mean "no"? |
| 16:06.43 | pablo_ | abrotman: was it a question? |
| 16:06.43 | bokey | abrotman, what's m-a prepare ? |
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| 16:06.57 | blondie | Mazingaro: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 16:06.57 | jetscreamer | module-assistant (m-a) |
| 16:07.04 | jetscreamer | but just type m-a |
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| 16:07.18 | blondie | PabloFernandes: I doubt you can do anything on the client side, or per user |
| 16:07.19 | PabloFernandes | blondie: when you login in, a couter will start until the guy press "disconnect" button. this buttom will be available in a "forced initial page" and the extract informations, etc |
| 16:07.21 | bokey | jetscreamer, ok. |
| 16:07.22 | blondie | only per machine |
| 16:07.40 | blondie | PabloFernandes: try #squid anyway |
| 16:07.52 | enouf | man .. it ain't even Sunbday yet |
| 16:07.56 | enouf | -b |
| 16:08.04 | PabloFernandes | blondie: ok.... thanks anyway :) |
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| 16:08.09 | jetscreamer | +noo |
| 16:08.36 | LukaS04 | Does anybody know how i can set the bnc port as my preferd interfaces at thenetworkcard ia have the "fast etherlink xl pci 3c905b-combo" from 3com |
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| 16:08.48 | pablo_ | abrotman: how do i add it? |
| 16:08.55 | abrotman | pablo_: a bug ? |
| 16:09.40 | pablo_ | abrotman: no, config for new cards |
| 16:09.51 | abrotman | dunno .. |
| 16:09.59 | e-matti | ok i tried to install from the businesscard-cd and i noticed that PPPoE doesn't work... My question is does the netinst-CD (100-150 MB) have PPPoE or do i have to load a bigger image? |
| 16:10.45 | jetscreamer | iirc you have to shell out and run pppoeconf or something but i forget |
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| 16:11.48 | olskolirc | is the new debian out yet? |
| 16:11.53 | olskolirc | stable? |
| 16:11.55 | pablo_ | no |
| 16:11.59 | olskolirc | damn |
| 16:12.00 | e-matti | jetscreamer, thats all? |
| 16:12.09 | blondie | yes, woody is out! |
| 16:12.19 | blondie | sorry, sarge |
| 16:12.23 | olskolirc | they are calling it woody again? |
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| 16:12.31 | dvs | olskolirc: etch is frozen so it's pretty safe to install now if it's not for production use |
| 16:12.32 | pablo_ | yes hamm is also out |
| 16:12.38 | pablo_ | xD |
| 16:12.44 | e-matti | jetscreamer, so i can keep my businesscard-cd |
| 16:12.45 | asg | hamm and potato, yum |
| 16:12.58 | olskolirc | oh ok ill wait till etch goes stable |
| 16:13.29 | pablo_ | olskolirc: you can install it without being stable |
| 16:13.43 | olskolirc | yeah but will i crash all the time |
| 16:13.58 | SnarceZ | hi all! I'm tring to install debian testing on a notebook: the installations seems to be good till it has to start x and says something like fatal server error: no screen found |
| 16:14.10 | SnarceZ | what could it be? |
| 16:14.10 | hark | SnarceZ: and what else? |
| 16:14.10 | asg | !no screens |
| 16:14.19 | jetscreamer | e-matti: i can't swear, but i think that's it. check around on the page, read the docs, et al |
| 16:14.23 | Gg1 | I have etch installed on a laptop and it is pretty good ( for my personal use) |
| 16:14.26 | asg | bah |
| 16:14.35 | asg | SnarceZ: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 16:14.43 | SnarceZ | when i run startx it tells me the version of xorg |
| 16:14.56 | pablo_ | Gg1: do you use wifi? |
| 16:15.01 | Gg1 | Yes |
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| 16:15.22 | pablo_ | Gg1: was it difficult to make it work? |
| 16:15.24 | hark | SnarceZ: nope |
| 16:15.26 | Gg1 | Intel Pro/Wireless ( driver ipw2200)2200 |
| 16:15.33 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 16:15.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 16:16.08 | Gg1 | pablo , no just had to find that ipw2200 DRIVER WAS TO BE ADDED |
| 16:16.18 | jetscreamer | grep EE http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:16.22 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:16.24 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:17.00 | hark | SnarceZ: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:17.19 | Gg1 | Pablo , and i use synaptics for software update |
| 16:17.45 | olskolirc | about how long does it take for etch to come out of frozen |
| 16:17.46 | e-matti | jetscreamer, ok thanks |
| 16:17.49 | Gg1 | connected to IRC from Debian actually etc .. |
| 16:18.05 | SnarceZ | it tells me (==) log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 16:18.18 | Gg1 | But got a problme , how to replace WindowsLive Messenger ? |
| 16:18.32 | dvs | olskolirc: it took a year and a half last time |
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| 16:18.51 | olskolirc | oh damn |
| 16:18.55 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 16:18.58 | SnarceZ | (==) using config file: "/etch/X11/xorg conf |
| 16:18.58 | Gg1 | to have msn session with windows users |
| 16:18.59 | hark | Gg1: amsn, gaim etc. |
| 16:19.06 | olskolirc | then its safe for me to reinstall deb to get my internet back |
| 16:19.15 | Ny-Ty | i will buy crossover |
| 16:19.15 | blondie | Gg1: tell them to use irc |
| 16:19.17 | Ny-Ty | it works fine |
| 16:19.21 | dvs | olskolirc: yes |
| 16:19.39 | hark | SnarceZ: any lines with EE? |
| 16:19.47 | SnarceZ | yes |
| 16:19.57 | olskolirc | i got crossover through a bit torrent |
| 16:20.00 | olskolirc | crossover pro |
| 16:20.04 | SnarceZ | (EE) no devices detected |
| 16:20.05 | olskolirc | its nice :-) |
| 16:20.13 | olskolirc | demonoid.com |
| 16:20.18 | hark | !tell SnarceZ about no screens found |
| 16:20.34 | blondie | olskolirc: duh, just use openoffice |
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| 16:20.45 | SnarceZ | I've already read |
| 16:20.54 | SnarceZ | but I have xorg |
| 16:21.02 | olskolirc | are we talking about the crossover that allows you to install windows programs on linux made by whine hq? |
| 16:21.05 | Gg1 | hark , I use gaim for irc , so I can irc to windows live messeanger users ( only for IRC) . But I owuld like to have video sessions |
| 16:21.06 | olskolirc | thats the one i have |
| 16:21.07 | SnarceZ | not XFree86 |
| 16:21.21 | hark | SnarceZ: i know. any other line? |
| 16:21.39 | blondie | olskolirc: eh? wine is a free program. it's even in debian. |
| 16:21.41 | hark | Gg1: can't help you there |
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| 16:21.51 | Gg1 | ok |
| 16:21.54 | olskolirc | crossover is made by wine hq |
| 16:22.01 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: no it's not |
| 16:22.10 | olskolirc | sure it is |
| 16:22.13 | olskolirc | lemme get that |
| 16:22.24 | SnarceZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.25 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: crossover office is a fork of wine |
| 16:22.35 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: maintained by codeweavers, not winehq |
| 16:22.38 | hark | Gg1: i recall there being a fork of gaim concentrating on cam support |
| 16:22.58 | dvs | SnarceZ: paste the log file with paster |
| 16:22.59 | dvs | !paster |
| 16:23.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 16:23.24 | SnarceZ | I have to copy it by hand... |
| 16:23.27 | bokey | abrotman, i did everything. now restart the machine ? |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:23.42 | abrotman | i don't use nvidia .. dunno how it works |
| 16:23.45 | SnarceZ | it will take time but i'll do it... |
| 16:23.50 | bokey | abrotman, will restarting help ? |
| 16:23.54 | bokey | abrotman, ok |
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| 16:23.59 | dvs | SnarceZ: Just find the lines with (EE) in it. |
| 16:24.08 | damog | So, who's Lenny? :) |
| 16:24.09 | SerajewelKS | bokey: you should not need to restart |
| 16:24.10 | enouf | !no screens found |
| 16:24.10 | dpkg | from memory, screens found is no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for Etch/Sid) more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 16:24.15 | dvs | !lenny |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 16:24.16 | SnarceZ | already found and written |
| 16:24.22 | bokey | SerajewelKS, i see that nvidia module is loaded. |
| 16:24.25 | SerajewelKS | bokey: i assume you just installed the nvidia nonfree drivers? |
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| 16:24.50 | hark | SnarceZ: what irc client are you using? |
| 16:24.51 | bokey | SerajewelKS, i installed it from contrib and non-free. yes. |
| 16:24.56 | SerajewelKS | bokey: kill off X, then: modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia |
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| 16:24.58 | SnarceZ | xchat |
| 16:25.00 | SerajewelKS | bokey: then start X again |
| 16:25.02 | olskolirc | made by codeweavers rather http://www.codeweavers.com/ i have everything but windows office on it |
| 16:25.13 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: just as i said, eh? |
| 16:25.18 | SnarceZ | hark: why? |
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| 16:25.23 | bokey | SerajewelKS, ok. i'll try that one. |
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| 16:25.35 | olskolirc | made by codeweavers rather http://www.codeweavers.com/ i have everything but windows office on it |
| 16:25.42 | olskolirc | oh sorry |
| 16:25.50 | hark | SnarceZ: we could exec the output of grep to say #flood |
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| 16:26.09 | olskolirc | bokey thats the one i got the bit torrent for |
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| 16:26.22 | olskolirc | crossover pro |
| 16:26.23 | bokey | olskolirc, ? |
| 16:26.29 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: IMO if you have crossover office then you should really start looking at free software replacements for whatever you are using |
| 16:26.45 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: because i do not need to run one thing in wine or crossover, and i can do everything i need to |
| 16:26.53 | olskolirc | i particualry want my favorite windows apps |
| 16:27.01 | bokey | SerajewelKS, one confusing stuff.. nvidia-settings doesn't show any options for setting my display. ?? |
| 16:27.05 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: and for future reference, this isn't the channel to brag about aqcuiring warez in. |
| 16:27.09 | hark | SnarceZ: ok, what else does it say. any failed something.... |
| 16:27.09 | bokey | SerajewelKS, i haven't reloaded nvidia module YET. |
| 16:27.15 | olskolirc | thats you SerajewelKS |
| 16:27.16 | SnarceZ | hark: what does it mean? PS:obviously i'm not in the machine I'm tring to install |
| 16:27.24 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: what's me? |
| 16:27.29 | olskolirc | what you like |
| 16:27.33 | olskolirc | and what i want |
| 16:27.34 | hark | SnarceZ: why is it obvious? |
| 16:27.36 | olskolirc | are two different things |
| 16:27.47 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: okay sure, just saying |
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| 16:27.59 | SnarceZ | how coud I use a chat if i cannot run x? |
| 16:28.16 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: you're the one missing out on the benefits of free software *shrug* |
| 16:28.19 | SerajewelKS | bokey: what do you mean by "setting my display" |
| 16:28.20 | olskolirc | SerajewelKS im not new to linux |
| 16:28.33 | olskolirc | i have experience all of the software it has to offer |
| 16:28.34 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: i didn't say you were |
| 16:28.37 | hark | SnarceZ: I'm running one now. with no X ;) |
| 16:28.43 | olskolirc | and i have some windows apps that i do favor |
| 16:28.48 | olskolirc | is that ok with you? |
| 16:28.49 | pumpkin0 | SnarceZ: there are lots of irc-clients for console... |
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| 16:28.58 | bokey | SerajewelKS, apologies for the confusion. i meant setting my display pixel. |
| 16:29.01 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: shrug, it's your box, not mine |
| 16:29.10 | bokey | SerajewelKS, and other properties. hue, saturations.. etc... |
| 16:29.10 | SerajewelKS | bokey: what is a "display pixel" |
| 16:29.20 | bokey | SerajewelKS, pixel for my monitor. |
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| 16:29.38 | SerajewelKS | bokey: your monitor has a lot of pixels, which one do you want to set, and what do you want to set it to? |
| 16:29.39 | SnarceZ | pumpink0: >_< I didn't knew |
| 16:29.41 | bokey | SerajewelKS, 24 bits/16 bits. etc.. |
| 16:29.45 | hark | SnarceZ: alright, you have to be more helpful. what else does it say? |
| 16:29.56 | SnarceZ | hark: |
| 16:29.58 | SerajewelKS | bokey: color depth is not pixels. you'd set that in your xorg.conf |
| 16:30.06 | olskolirc | if i could find an audio/video/text program like paltalk for windows on linux, i wouldn't even use vmware for one |
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| 16:30.12 | bokey | SerajewelKS, ok. i'll try reloading nvidia. |
| 16:30.13 | olskolirc | linux is sooo far behind |
| 16:30.15 | SerajewelKS | bokey: hue and stuff will be available when you run X with the nvidia drivers |
| 16:30.26 | olskolirc | we don't even have audio/video chat programs like paltalk |
| 16:30.31 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: awesome, do you have a support question? |
| 16:30.34 | olskolirc | there are linux rooms on paltalk |
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| 16:31.02 | olskolirc | sure SerajewelKS what is the audio/video/text chat program for linux called/ |
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| 16:31.06 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:31.22 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: there are several that use the telepathy framework |
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| 16:31.35 | olskolirc | like paltalk that is |
| 16:31.53 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: i have not used paltalk, so i would not be able to suggest one "like" it |
| 16:31.54 | olskolirc | you can see and hear who you are talking too, in a private pm and in a room like this |
| 16:32.17 | olskolirc | full screen video too |
| 16:32.29 | olskolirc | if linux had it, i woldn't have nothing to do with windows |
| 16:32.38 | olskolirc | i'd have it all and more ;-) |
| 16:32.41 | tonyb2007 | anyone ever get Trac working on sourceforge's project servers? |
| 16:32.41 | SnarceZ | hark: in order it says: the version of x windows system and the release date (7.1.1 12 may 2006); build os, current os and build date; |
| 16:32.52 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: there is a project called Landell that is attempting to do similar things |
| 16:33.03 | olskolirc | whoaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:33.07 | olskolirc | link please |
| 16:33.18 | SerajewelKS | http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Landell |
| 16:33.30 | hark | SnarceZ: all that is ok. just any specific errors. |
| 16:33.35 | sebas891 | hello, I've a little problem when installing package with aptitude, apt-get etc.. I cannot anwer the config questions, the terminal get all mess up... |
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| 16:34.16 | sebas891 | is their a way to change the interactive process when installing packages ? |
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| 16:35.17 | SnarceZ | hark: then "module loader present", what the markers are and then (==) log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" (==) using config file: "/etch/X11/xorg conf" (EE) no devices detected fatal server error: no screen found XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset bay peers) on x server |
| 16:35.27 | hark | SnarceZ: you don't need to type the exact thing :) |
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| 16:35.58 | hark | SnarceZ: and that's all? |
| 16:36.01 | SnarceZ | hark: Thats all folk |
| 16:36.33 | peterrooney | sebas891: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 16:37.09 | SnarceZ | hark: how can I reconfigure xorg? |
| 16:37.23 | hark | SnarceZ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:37.35 | SnarceZ | hark: i'll try |
| 16:37.59 | sebas891 | peterrooney: yes but when I execute it, I get the same problem not able to choose between the options... |
| 16:38.04 | LightKnight | abrotman: your gnome applet solved the issue, apparently :) Thank you :) |
| 16:39.10 | peterrooney | sebas891: Hmm. xterm or console? |
| 16:39.30 | sebas891 | peterrooney: xterm. |
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| 16:41.01 | peterrooney | sebas891: try console. i've noticed that the dialog interface (the default, IIRC) sometimes goes wonky on xterms. strange colours, funky non-characters, etc. just an idea. |
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| 16:42.47 | LukaS04 | hmm i found something by google. there stands that i have to change the modul parametre, but it is for suse :/ does somebody knowhow it works at debian? |
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| 16:44.22 | pumpkin0 | LukaS04: write down all the facts so far (short version) and ask a new question (so people that just joined know what is going on too). |
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| 16:44.56 | sebas891 | peterrooney: I've never used console, I see consolechars ... but no console ??? |
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| 16:46.30 | LukaS04 | ok, it's in german, there stands that i have to use the modul parametre media_select, because the parametre 3c90x can't see which port is used automatically. |
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| 16:46.59 | LukaS04 | i have searched in /etc/modules.conf for this option but i can't find it there |
| 16:47.12 | bokey | i am stuck. nvidia driver doesn't like to load. |
| 16:47.22 | enouf | try /etc/modprobe.d/aliases perhaps LukaS04 |
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| 16:48.13 | LukaS04 | ok |
| 16:48.28 | bokey | the error says that there's a mismatch of nvidia driver and X. :( |
| 16:48.46 | pumpkin0 | LukaS04: "modinfo <module-name>" and /etc/modules |
| 16:49.09 | pumpkin0 | bokey: did you download the driver via apt-get or from the nvidia-homepage ? |
| 16:49.12 | LukaS04 | ok, in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ican't find it |
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| 16:49.32 | bokey | pumpkin0: via the contrib and non-free as per dpkg's advice. |
| 16:49.34 | karsten | peterrooney: That just sometimes happens. Especially unclean exits from ncurses (full-screen) programs, or catting binary files. |
| 16:49.37 | bokey | pumpkin0: apt-get |
| 16:49.41 | karsten | peterrooney: 'reset' should fix it. |
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| 16:49.58 | pumpkin0 | bokey: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.lst into a pastebin ? |
| 16:50.05 | karsten | peterrooney: .... though it sometimes doesn't. But it should. |
| 16:50.24 | karsten | bokey: sources.list FYI, not lst |
| 16:50.38 | bokey | pumpkin0: okie. just a moment please. |
| 16:50.41 | LukaS04 | i searched for 3c90x and media_select and i can't find both odf them |
| 16:50.41 | bokey | karsten: ok |
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| 16:51.15 | karsten | peterrooney: Um. Nevermind, I think I misread your comment WRT wonky. |
| 16:51.19 | pumpkin0 | LukaS04: remove the module and try the parameter via modprobe. Then worry about the setup in /etc/. |
| 16:51.56 | SnarceZ | hark: thank you very much for the help: I've setted xorg properly and now it works |
| 16:51.57 | SnarceZ | bye |
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| 16:53.19 | LukaS04 | pumpkin0: which module shoud i remove? |
| 16:53.27 | hark | SnarceZ: great! probably an incorrect driver was used :) |
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| 16:54.34 | slicky | hello, is it possible to boot from a iso file? |
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| 16:55.06 | pumpkin0 | LukaS04: the one you want to reconfigure. |
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| 16:56.18 | sebas891 | karsten: thank for the hint about the reset command, to clean up the terminal. |
| 16:56.38 | Flash_ | slicky, pretty sure you can't. it would need to be mounted by the bios first, which afaik isn't possible |
| 16:56.52 | karsten | sebas891: NP. |
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| 16:57.14 | LukaS04 | pumpkin0: 3c90x and media_select=x boath are not found via modprobe 3c90x and modprobe media_select=x |
| 16:57.38 | pumpkin0 | LukaS04: german ? |
| 16:57.41 | karsten | sebas891: Another trick when that doesn't work (say, you've got stray text on the terminal) is to run top, and iterate it a few times (hit space to force a refresh). |
| 16:57.50 | LukaS04 | pumpkin0: yes |
| 16:57.54 | karsten | sebas891: 'vi' can also recover cursor if _that_ doesn't happen. |
| 16:58.45 | slicky | Flash_ kk.. is there a "easy" way to install debian via ssh? |
| 16:58.58 | sebas891 | karsten: ok, but now I have a problem within debconf... when I install/reconfigure packages. |
| 16:59.21 | bokey | pumpkin0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5028 |
| 17:00.04 | bokey | pumpkin0: apologies as my X skills aren't something i would call "good enough". :) |
| 17:00.47 | Flash_ | slicky, grab a netinst iso. Burn it to cd. Boot. Install base and ssh. Do rest remotely. (Maybe smarter ways, I'm no guru) |
| 17:00.48 | sebas891 | slicky: the etch installer allows you to install via ssh. you still need to do a few tricks to start sshd. but still very usefull! |
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| 17:01.00 | pumpkin0 | bokey: and you had a update/upgrade beforeyou installed the nvidia driver ? |
| 17:01.02 | Flash_ | ah cool, I didn't know that |
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| 17:02.03 | MASoft | slicky: The only way is using VMs like VMWare |
| 17:02.07 | bokey | pumpkin0: initially i didn't have contrib and non-free to which m-a nvidia complained saying i had to update my sources.list |
| 17:02.13 | slicky | is it like possible to start in a low runlevel... tell grub/lilo to boot from a iso file.. and the restart the boot script? |
| 17:02.30 | bokey | pumpkin0: then i wrote contrib and non-free to my sources.list and updated via apt |
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| 17:02.57 | bokey | pumpkin0: it installed fine as per 'nvidia <one-liner>" by dpkg bot |
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| 17:03.23 | krazykit | slicky: probably not from lilo, maybe from grub. try google? |
| 17:03.47 | bokey | pumpkin0: but according to someone, i had to restart my X. after which even gdm failed to start because X couldn't load nvidia. |
| 17:03.49 | pumpkin0 | bokey: and you didn't mess with the kernel ? |
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| 17:04.22 | bokey | pumpkin0: it did mess with the kernel as it was building nvidia src imho |
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| 17:07.11 | bokey | pumpkin0: i did everything step by step as recommended by dpkg's nvidia <one-liner> |
| 17:07.18 | bokey | dpkg: nvidia one-liner |
| 17:07.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 17:08.04 | pumpkin0 | bokey: OK, so low-level debugging: put the xorg-log and config into a pastebin. |
| 17:08.43 | bokey | pumpkin0: i hate to say this but i need to get into gdm. isn't there a way to just use normal vga drivers ? |
| 17:09.27 | pumpkin0 | bokey: sure. replace "nvidia" with "vesa". |
| 17:09.28 | bokey | pumpkin0: ok. |
| 17:09.34 | bokey | pumpkin0: try that now. |
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| 17:11.45 | bokey | pumpkin0: be back. |
| 17:11.50 | bokey | pumpkin0: thanks :) |
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| 17:16.17 | bokey | ok vga drivers working and into gnome now. |
| 17:16.19 | robin_sz | so ... a suitable application for adding new contacts to an ldap directory is? |
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| 17:18.57 | bokey | pumpkin0, you wanted see my xorg.conf ? |
| 17:19.09 | bokey | pumpkin0, or the logs ? |
| 17:19.33 | pumpkin0 | bokey: if you want nvidia and 3D: config and X-log. (since you restarted with vesa the log will be gone now) |
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| 17:20.36 | PcDark | installing psyBNC won't work |
| 17:20.42 | PcDark | i wget'd it, tar'd |
| 17:20.47 | PcDark | but make returns this: |
| 17:20.58 | PcDark | tools/convconf.c: In function `convertlist': |
| 17:20.58 | PcDark | tools/convconf.c:94: error: `FILE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:20.58 | PcDark | tools/convconf.c:94: error: `listfile' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:20.58 | PcDark | tools/convconf.c:95: error: `fi |
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| 17:21.04 | _wall | wtf |
| 17:21.04 | PcDark | etc |
| 17:21.27 | PcDark | I did "make menuconfig" |
| 17:21.35 | daxxar | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 17:21.36 | PcDark | and it won't work, before i did |
| 17:21.39 | PcDark | apt-get install gcc |
| 17:21.42 | PcDark | apt-get install make |
| 17:21.46 | pumpkin0 | PcDark: why do you compile ? |
| 17:21.54 | daxxar | apt-get install build-essentials |
| 17:21.55 | PcDark | that's what it said in the readme |
| 17:22.15 | daxxar | Err, apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:22.22 | pumpkin0 | PcDark: and the thing is not in the debian-repos ? |
| 17:22.44 | PcDark | umm |
| 17:22.50 | Flash_ | to be fair, psybnc is source for the latest, last time I checked |
| 17:23.16 | PcDark | installing ' build essential' |
| 17:23.48 | Flash_ | istr being disappointed when I went looking for a .deb |
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| 17:25.00 | PcDark | psyBNC running, after the essetnail |
| 17:25.09 | PcDark | is there any other things I should apt-get atm? |
| 17:25.18 | PcDark | security stuff, etc |
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| 17:26.17 | Flash_ | PcDark, too broad a question - security is not a plug-in option. You can start with ensuring everything is up to date and that you're linked to the security update repos. |
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| 17:28.10 | robin_sz | security is a journey, not a destination |
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| 17:28.20 | ocZio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.02 | NIckmoris | i recommend you this extreemly useful blog about freelance http://freelance-job.blogspot.com/2006/12/freelance-employment-hourly-rate.html |
| 17:29.03 | LightKnight | ocZio: is "ulimit -a" anyway useful? |
| 17:29.59 | ocZio | LightKnight, this doesnt show something about sockets |
| 17:30.02 | unlink | ocZio: ulimit -n |
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| 17:30.16 | ocZio | ok |
| 17:30.23 | unlink | sockets are files |
| 17:30.24 | ocZio | how can I increase this or decrease this |
| 17:30.26 | LightKnight | -n is "open files" :) |
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| 17:30.39 | LightKnight | and that was shown on "-a" also :) |
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| 17:30.47 | ocZio | recompil or some sysctl will do the stuff? |
| 17:30.48 | robin_sz | I thought the limits for unix domain sockets and ip sockets was different |
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| 17:31.11 | unlink | that might be... |
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| 17:31.23 | Gg1 | aMSN installation on ETCH . apt-get install amsn fails . Is it the right procedure ? |
| 17:31.27 | Grub_Now | wow |
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| 17:32.22 | schme | Gg1: fails in what way? |
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| 17:33.09 | robin_sz | if its IP sockets, then its often the remains of connections waiting for TCP timouts to finalise that clog things up .. and there are "things you can do" about that |
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| 17:35.34 | PcDark | how do i make gnome turn off my lcd screen after 10mins of unactivity |
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| 17:35.58 | Gg1 | schme , "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/log - open ( 11 files temporarily unvailable ............. |
| 17:36.09 | PcDark | are you root ? |
| 17:36.11 | PcDark | su root |
| 17:36.19 | rohT | hi guys... i installed debian etch in my notebook... but to configure xorg i need to know the horizontal and vertical sync rage of the display... how can i get this informations? |
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| 17:36.36 | PcDark | 1024 by 768, usually, rohT |
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| 17:37.01 | robin_sz | rohT, search the web for "XF86" and the make model of your laptop |
| 17:37.09 | rohT | the resolution is 1280x800 (wide screeb) |
| 17:37.10 | PcDark | robin_sz |
| 17:37.11 | me_here | rohT: in the manual for your lcd ? |
| 17:37.16 | rohT | oKtosiTe, thank you =) |
| 17:37.21 | PcDark | how do I make my lcd turn off after 5mins |
| 17:37.26 | rohT | node2, there isnt this information... |
| 17:37.26 | PcDark | I have Gnome & X installed |
| 17:37.27 | Gg1 | PcDark , if question is for me , yes I opened a root terminal |
| 17:37.28 | rohT | =( |
| 17:37.36 | rohT | i will search into google, thank you |
| 17:37.40 | PcDark | mm |
| 17:38.02 | robin_sz | rohT, its important that you get that correct, rather than close ... for exmaple lower resolutins will work, but the sub-pixel antialiasing will be screwy |
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| 17:38.26 | rohT | if I work with wrong values, can my monitor brake? |
| 17:38.30 | robin_sz | no |
| 17:38.31 | rohT | "monitor" |
| 17:38.34 | robin_sz | neither can it break |
| 17:38.57 | rohT | oKtosiTe, thank you =) |
| 17:38.59 | hark | rohT: try hwinfo --monitor |
| 17:39.03 | pumpkin0 | rohT: not unless you have a very old and stupid monitor. |
| 17:39.14 | robin_sz | its an in-built LCD ... |
| 17:39.15 | iuso | hi, what might be wrong when apt-get can't connect to ftp.debian.org inside a chroot during install (chroot /target, all bind mounts in place), but outside the chroot wget can? |
| 17:39.23 | robin_sz | hwinfo sometime doesnt |
| 17:39.24 | rohT | no, my notebook is new... is HP dv6120 |
| 17:39.33 | rohT | i will check this command |
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| 17:39.43 | PcDark | how do I make my monitor turn off after 5mins |
| 17:40.09 | Codeman- | man shutdown .... ;) little joke ... |
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| 17:40.46 | spyro_boy | hello |
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| 17:41.01 | hark | !dpms |
| 17:41.02 | dpkg | dpms is probably know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 17:41.29 | xaka | me need up SNMP? what i must read for this? which soft need use? |
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| 17:42.01 | spyro_boy | I'm in a pretty big predicament here. I've LARGE harddrive that is 95% full and burning DVD's as backup is absurd. If I removed every directory from of my current distro except my /home and /root, and just install debian without formatting, will my files be intact if everything goes fine? |
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| 17:42.19 | Gg1 | !amsn |
| 17:42.19 | dpkg | somebody said amsn was Alvaro's Messenger (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), an MSN client. |
| 17:42.31 | xaka | !snmp |
| 17:42.31 | dpkg | snmp is probably the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 17:42.38 | spyro_boy | .. |
| 17:42.40 | spyro_boy | hello? |
| 17:42.44 | SpComb | if the cpu time for a process is shown in top as 14190:12, how many hours/days/weeks is that? |
| 17:42.46 | robin_sz | spyro_boy, just install fress and recover your files from backups |
| 17:42.47 | stoned | hi |
| 17:42.50 | robin_sz | fresh |
| 17:42.55 | stoned | vegetables |
| 17:42.57 | spyro_boy | .. |
| 17:43.05 | spyro_boy | I've got over 85gb |
| 17:43.08 | robin_sz | do you have backups of all those files? |
| 17:43.14 | spyro_boy | burning them would take WAY too long |
| 17:43.18 | spyro_boy | no |
| 17:43.26 | spyro_boy | I absolutely no backups |
| 17:43.33 | spyro_boy | I'm just asking if it's safe |
| 17:43.34 | robin_sz | then just install anyway, they might get erased but it doesnt matter |
| 17:43.40 | spyro_boy | O-o |
| 17:43.43 | stoned | can't you just go and buy a 100+gb usb hdd, xfer data |
| 17:43.47 | spyro_boy | no |
| 17:43.48 | stoned | it doesn't cost that much |
| 17:43.54 | spyro_boy | I'm incredibly low on money |
| 17:43.55 | robin_sz | well, if you dont have backups, they cant be important anyway |
| 17:44.02 | stoned | spyro_boy, then use it and return it |
| 17:44.03 | tonyb2007 | hes broked! |
| 17:44.05 | stoned | say its defected |
| 17:44.10 | spyro_boy | lol |
| 17:44.11 | tonyb2007 | heh |
| 17:44.18 | spyro_boy | that's actually an hilarious idea |
| 17:44.20 | spyro_boy | oh-well |
| 17:44.24 | rohT | hark my system crashes every time that long messages appear on terminal... i forget the --monitor and it crasgesd |
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| 17:44.39 | stoned | h is not a vowel |
| 17:44.39 | rohT | hark do you have any idea what about this crashes happen? |
| 17:44.45 | spyro_boy | stoned, Ijust noticed. |
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| 17:44.49 | stoned | :) |
| 17:44.52 | spyro_boy | :/ |
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| 17:45.07 | stoned | !popcon |
| 17:45.07 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:45.10 | spyro_boy | so theorically, my method is possible? |
| 17:45.14 | tonyb2007 | !any ideas |
| 17:45.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and a handful of rabid platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:45.22 | xaka | somebody used snmpd? |
| 17:45.29 | robin_sz | rohT, the only references I find on google to that laptop and xorg are "I bouhgt a dv6120 .. and then I reunred it and got one that worked with linux" ... |
| 17:45.30 | spyro_boy | a fork of mpd? |
| 17:45.39 | coulee | anyone know how to install clamav-dotdeb package? I added the repository, but i dont know what name it uses to tell it to use the dotdeb package over the stable pkg |
| 17:45.41 | pumpkin0 | tonyb2007: depends if you plan to blckmail the users afterwards. people never think twice about data-safty and sure erase... |
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| 17:46.12 | tonyb2007 | pumpkin0: heh |
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| 17:46.23 | rohT | robin_sz that means that linux does not work??? |
| 17:46.51 | stoned | I wonder |
| 17:46.53 | stoned | !does not work |
| 17:46.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:46.55 | robin_sz | it means what I said ... the references I found said that .. they might have been stupid, you might be lucky ... |
| 17:47.34 | rohT | robin_sz maybe... |
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| 17:48.09 | olskolirc | ok guys where do i download this debian frozen distro |
| 17:48.12 | robin_sz | rohT, have you googled dv6120 xf86 or not? |
| 17:48.18 | stoned | !d-i olskolirc |
| 17:48.19 | dpkg | olskolirc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:48.31 | defi__3x | hi all |
| 17:48.35 | stoned | use the first link |
| 17:48.43 | stoned | hi |
| 17:49.06 | janttsu | is there an RedirectMatch option in lighttpd as there is in apache... please i need to find it fast.. |
| 17:49.12 | defi__3x | Am I understanding this correctly with NFS subtree_check allows you to export a directory and every directory under it? |
| 17:49.44 | rohT | robin_sz i googled with xorg dv6120 and i found only one phrase: "Finally, after buying and returning two HP laptops, including the HP DV6120, I settled on one that works with Linux. It is the Toshiba Satellite A100 TA6. The product ID is PSAA8C-TA602C." |
| 17:49.46 | rohT | haha |
| 17:49.54 | stoned | defi__3x, you can do that simply by installing nfs-kernel-server and modifying /etc/export |
| 17:50.03 | rohT | i could run the x enviromnent yesterday |
| 17:50.07 | olskolirc | and this is the etch that is frozen copy stoned? |
| 17:50.24 | stoned | olskolirc, sarge is frozen. Etch is not there yet. |
| 17:50.40 | olskolirc | ok so i can't download the sarge frozen? |
| 17:50.51 | rohT | hark i couldn't undrestand the output of the command... may I put in paste and can you help me? |
| 17:50.51 | olskolirc | just to try it? |
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| 17:51.12 | hark | rohT: normally, either choose the medium option and select the resolution or just choose the defaults |
| 17:51.12 | stoned | olskolirc, yes you can. What the bot said included two links. If you go to them and READ a little ffs you might just figure out where you're at |
| 17:51.26 | olskolirc | ok |
| 17:51.44 | defi__3x | stoned: I have that installed but if I export /media/video it only exports that directory not the two under it, which are mounted by two different disks, I guess I want to know how to export on directory and have crosds into the other filesystems? |
| 17:51.47 | hark | rohT: ^ for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:51.49 | stoned | olskolirc, is this your first time installing debian? |
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| 17:52.05 | stoned | defi__3x, it works here |
| 17:52.57 | stoned | defi__3x, for example /etc/exports should have an entry like, /home/stoned 192.168.1.3(rw,sync) |
| 17:53.18 | olskolirc | does it take 2 dvd or do i just pick one or the other stoned? |
| 17:53.30 | valdyn | olskolirc: neither |
| 17:53.32 | stoned | olskolirc, I would just get the first cd |
| 17:53.40 | stoned | olskolirc, or just the netinstall iso |
| 17:53.45 | olskolirc | ok |
| 17:54.01 | olskolirc | i like netinst a lot better |
| 17:54.24 | stoned | defi__3x, /home/stoned is what I want to share 192.168.1.3 is where I want to share it, (rw) are the permissions (sync is an option) |
| 17:54.25 | robin_sz | netinst is the way to go |
| 17:54.25 | valdyn | olskolirc: first CD is 'better' just more download time |
| 17:55.02 | defi__3x | stoned: under my media/video directory I haver two other directorys: video1, video2; each of those are mounted by different disks. When I export /media/video t wont also export video1, video2; the directorys are there but nothing is in them. |
| 17:55.06 | stoned | defi__3x, that shares whatever is under /home/stoned including ALL directories |
| 17:55.47 | olskolirc | ok so is this 3.1_r4 the version that is coming out or the current stable |
| 17:55.56 | stoned | defi__3x, try #nfs |
| 17:56.07 | stoned | ehe |
| 17:56.27 | defi__3x | lol ok |
| 17:56.31 | stoned | afaik it shouldn't have a problem with mounted disks |
| 17:57.32 | coulee | anyone know how to install clamav-dotdeb package? I added the repository, but i dont know what name it uses to tell it to use the dotdeb package over the stable pkg |
| 17:57.58 | valdyn | coulee: run 'apt-cache policy clamav' |
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| 17:58.33 | stoned | defi__3x, I've got ~/Music ~/Video ~/Prawn all on 3 different disks, exported on the desktop, and when I use my laptop to access desktop, everything shows up fine |
| 17:58.42 | coulee | ok the stable pkg has 700 and the dotdeb is 500, im guessing that is a priorty number? |
| 17:58.52 | coulee | how do i set it to use the dotdeb one? |
| 17:59.22 | valdyn | coulee: 2 ways, change priorities in /etc/apt/apt_preferences or apt-get install clamav=<version> |
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| 17:59.58 | coulee | is one preferred over the other? for instance wouldnt the first one avoid upgrade problems in the future? |
| 18:00.02 | coulee | or are they both the same |
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| 18:01.40 | valdyn | coulee: the 2nd one doesnt enable upgrades from dotdeb to be installed automagically |
| 18:02.35 | coulee | ok, thank you |
| 18:02.41 | sam_uk | how can i store the settings of alsaconf so that i dont have to run it on every boot? Thanks. |
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| 18:03.43 | valdyn | sam_uk: on which debian release? |
| 18:04.04 | sam_uk | on amd64 |
| 18:04.10 | sam_uk | testing |
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| 18:04.42 | valdyn | sam_uk: make sure linux-sound-base is installed and configured to alsa ( 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' ) |
| 18:04.50 | hark | sam_uk: alsactl store afaik |
| 18:05.07 | valdyn | hark: if that was needed his system was broken |
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| 18:05.54 | sam_uk | hark so just enter "alsactl" ? |
| 18:06.13 | valdyn | sam_uk: you don't need to store anything manually, but its possible that you have alsaconf but not the complete alsa system installed |
| 18:06.43 | hark | !tell Thor[away] about away |
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| 18:08.13 | blondie | hark: that wasn't an away message. |
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| 18:08.54 | pumpkin0 | blondie: "rohT is away, auto-away after 15 minutes, (log\off pager\on)", then a nickname-change. |
| 18:09.05 | blondie | oh sorry :) |
| 18:09.25 | blondie | Thor[away]: bad! |
| 18:09.52 | hark | heh |
| 18:10.05 | sam_uk | is there a good sound how to? i want to know about how alsa and jack fit together. googling only finds old docs.. |
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| 18:10.50 | _joey | Installed apache, created public_html for a user, placed it a file and permission is denied when accessing it |
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| 18:11.13 | _joey | where needs to be modified? |
| 18:11.33 | Thor[away] | my X is working... how do i know what resolution i'm runing? |
| 18:11.34 | _joey | public_html has 0755 set |
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| 18:16.03 | hark | Thor[away]: xdpyinfo |grep dimensions |
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| 18:16.51 | blondie | Thor[away]: turn your away message off first |
| 18:16.59 | hark | Thor[away]: where did you get the freqs from finally? |
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| 18:18.21 | hark | !zoo |
| 18:18.21 | dpkg | [zoo] fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 18:18.52 | HardDisk_WP | !fuck |
| 18:18.52 | dpkg | Watch your language! |
| 18:18.55 | HardDisk_WP | :D |
| 18:18.56 | HyperDevi | i want my auth.log rotated every 1 week, how can i do that? |
| 18:19.05 | DerJamster | setup logrotate accordingly. |
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| 18:19.29 | HyperDevi | DerJamster: eehhh i did that, i made a own rule for it, but debian ignores it somehow |
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| 18:19.53 | DerJamster | hrm |
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| 18:20.45 | HyperDevi | Derjamster: 2 of my friends seem to have the same problem, we dont get the logrotate working that way.. it rotates every 2 days. while logrotate is set to 1WEEK en auth.log to 100M |
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| 18:21.01 | HyperDevi | still it rotates like mad |
| 18:21.36 | HyperDevi | anyone got logrotate working like that? |
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| 18:23.53 | chemax | !time |
| 18:23.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2007.01.06 18:23:54, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
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| 18:35.58 | muszek | hi, how can I solve this dependency problem? I'm on sarge. "php5-gd: Depends: phpapi-20060613 Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-8~bpo.1) but 5.1.6-1~bpo.1 is to be installed" |
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| 18:38.00 | sam_uk | hmm when i put a audio cd into the drive it completely freezes the system and I have to hardware reboot.. how can i debug this? |
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| 18:39.31 | LLcoolM | test |
| 18:39.55 | DuckFart | sam_uk: does it freeze with all audio CD's? |
| 18:40.46 | sam_uk | hmm not sure, not very keen to repeat the experience. It has worked with this audio cd previously |
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| 18:42.09 | Thor[away] | how can I list all the wireless networks neat me? |
| 18:42.12 | Thor[away] | s/heat/near |
| 18:42.16 | DuckFart | check the CD first, make sure there are no scratches, etc. Some CDs contain data that can cause it to not play on a PC. Perhaps this might cause a problem on your system. |
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| 18:43.10 | sam_uk | this particular cd was working a week ago, it does not seem to be scratched |
| 18:43.29 | DuckFart | Otherwise, try changing your audio player software (i.e, Amarok) to something else. An update to software can cause problems too |
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| 18:49.04 | sork | hi |
| 18:49.16 | DuckFart | hi |
| 18:49.48 | sam_uk | duckfart i'm not sure how to change the default audio player.. i guess it's a mime type thing? |
| 18:51.05 | sam_uk | how do you change mimetypes in gnome? |
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| 18:54.34 | DuckFart | sam_uk: what distro you running? |
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| 18:55.51 | muszek | hi, how can I solve this dependency problem? I'm on sarge. "php5-gd: Depends: phpapi-20060613 Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-8~bpo.1) but 5.1.6-1~bpo.1 is to be installed" |
| 18:56.01 | muszek | please help me, I'm stuck |
| 18:56.26 | pickcoder | muszek: that is a backport issue, you need to e-mail the maintainer |
| 18:56.30 | DuckFart | muszek: sorry, i can't help on that problem |
| 18:57.03 | DuckFart | sum_uk: what version of debian do you have? Ubuntu? |
| 18:57.21 | pickcoder | Ubuntu is _not_ a version of Debian |
| 18:57.26 | muszek | pickcoder: which package and how do I find out who's its maintainer? (it's on a headless server and I can't see that in synaptic) |
| 18:57.43 | sork | but a distibution based on debian |
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| 18:58.10 | pickcoder | muszek: phpapi-20060613 |
| 18:58.22 | DuckFart | pickcoder: i'm just trying to figure what menu options sam may have. |
| 18:58.33 | pickcoder | muszek: you can apt-cache policy <package> to see depends and versions |
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| 18:59.19 | pickcoder | you also need to look at apt-get show <package> |
| 18:59.27 | pickcoder | policy doesn't show depends |
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| 19:01.24 | muszek | pickcoder: thank you |
| 19:02.32 | sphenxes | I am planning to tranfer from SuSE to Debian? where can I found list of official& unofficial software? second: is there Xchat, firefox, x11vnc, xmms, ethereal, acrobat reader? |
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| 19:03.08 | sphenxes | sorry vncveiwer |
| 19:03.25 | muszek | sphenxes: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:03.49 | krazykit | sphenxes: good rule of thumb: if one distro has it, so does another |
| 19:04.03 | sphenxes | muszek, krazykit thanks |
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| 19:04.18 | totallsd | how do i create the locatedb required for locate command? |
| 19:04.37 | Gathond | updatedb |
| 19:04.50 | muszek | sphenxes: debian has almost 20k packages in its repositories, many more than other distros (that are not debian-based) |
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| 19:05.14 | pickcoder | krazykit: that's not true for Debian |
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| 19:05.28 | totallsd | gathond: thanx |
| 19:05.46 | pickcoder | if a package has a bad history of updates it probably won't get a maintainer |
| 19:05.55 | pickcoder | or if it's extremely buggy |
| 19:05.59 | krazykit | pickcoder: well, for any software worth using ;-) |
| 19:06.22 | totallsd | how do i run programs similar to the windows autostart folder? like xclock for example |
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| 19:06.34 | samuel_ | sup all |
| 19:06.37 | krazykit | and i guess if you want the non-free stuff, you'd want non-free or contrib packages, too |
| 19:06.45 | krazykit | totallsd: depends on your window manager. |
| 19:06.52 | sam_uk | if inserting a cd freezes my xsession is there a debul / log file i can check to find out why? |
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| 19:06.58 | totallsd | xdm? |
| 19:07.01 | samuel_ | what package contains the alsa daemon that stores/restores the state of the sound? |
| 19:07.02 | totallsd | tvm? |
| 19:07.20 | krazykit | totallsd: try again... gnome? kde? fluxbox? |
| 19:07.40 | totallsd | just got the x window system running with xdm i think |
| 19:07.44 | totallsd | no desktop |
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| 19:08.07 | mmaglis | totallsd: on gnome you use Desktop -> Preferences -> Session... |
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| 19:08.29 | totallsd | i dont have gnome :) |
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| 19:08.34 | krazykit | xdm isn't a window manager. |
| 19:08.35 | krazykit | you're not using twm, are you? |
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| 19:08.43 | totallsd | yes sir i am |
| 19:08.46 | totallsd | lol |
| 19:08.53 | blondie | eww |
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| 19:09.09 | krazykit | eww indeed |
| 19:09.11 | totallsd | well my laptop has got 6GB hd, that's why |
| 19:09.29 | krazykit | well still, icewm or something is hella-light and much better featured |
| 19:09.59 | mmaglis | totallsd: try .xsession for dm logins and .xinitrc for startx |
| 19:10.18 | blondie | totallsd: that's plenty of space. |
| 19:10.39 | totallsd | i dont think so |
| 19:10.53 | blondie | how long have you been using debian? |
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| 19:11.05 | totallsd | week or so :) |
| 19:11.17 | blondie | well then |
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| 19:11.29 | blondie | it's plenty of space for something other than twm |
| 19:11.31 | sam_uk | is this weird? lspci | grep audio says grep: says: No such file or directory, given that i can hear sound from some apps... |
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| 19:11.40 | mmaglis | totallsd: space is not your problem, memory, cpu, graphics card may be.... |
| 19:11.54 | totallsd | hell yeah that too, 128mb |
| 19:11.59 | totallsd | memory |
| 19:12.06 | blondie | sam_uk: no it means lspci is broken |
| 19:12.19 | blondie | I'd suggest blackbox insteasd of twm |
| 19:12.23 | totallsd | now to my inital problem, can i do that in twm or not? |
| 19:12.38 | mmaglis | totallsd: try startx and blackbox then. |
| 19:13.07 | mmaglis | totallsd: man xsession |
| 19:13.40 | totallsd | that's probably ten pages to read :( |
| 19:13.53 | blondie | cry |
| 19:14.27 | muszek | bye all, thanks for help |
| 19:14.57 | mmaglis | totallsd: create a .xsession executable file in your home folder and put in the commands you wish to start when your xsession begins. |
| 19:15.49 | mmaglis | totallsd: ... and do try a quick pass over man xsession. Helps! |
| 19:16.00 | totallsd | lol might |
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| 19:16.26 | totallsd | what would u recommend as an alternative for twm, with little needed drive space and memory |
| 19:16.49 | mc__ | icewm |
| 19:16.59 | mmaglis | totallsd: i said it before blackbox |
| 19:17.00 | mc__ | fluxbox,openbox,hackbox there are o many |
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| 19:19.06 | *** topic/#debian is /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:19.15 | mmaglis | totallsd: you too. |
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| 19:22.30 | totallsd | how do i get out of that stupid man page ? |
| 19:22.36 | totallsd | embarassing |
| 19:22.49 | mmaglis | totallsd: press Q |
| 19:22.55 | Gathond | depends on the pager you use, but usually q does the trick |
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| 19:24.02 | mmaglis | totallsd: have a look at the example: /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/examples/_xsession |
| 19:24.47 | mmaglis | totallsd: its in the debian-reference-common package |
| 19:24.52 | totallsd | can i get rid of twm after installing another manager or does it have to be on there? |
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| 19:25.11 | mmaglis | totallsd: no you simply apt-get --purge remove it |
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| 19:26.21 | dobeer | hello :) |
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| 19:28.49 | totallsd | sorry to annoy you but what does --purge do compared to remove |
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| 19:30.27 | perlmonk | There is this package in debian: iproute. Anyone would know by luck which package or ports it is in fbsd or obsd ? |
| 19:30.32 | Cholito | totallsd: purge deletes the configurations files |
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| 19:30.49 | Cholito | totallsd: you might want to read the man page |
| 19:30.57 | totallsd | again .. |
| 19:31.54 | sam_uk | OK basic question, how do i work out what soundcard i have? lshw: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/lshw%20is%20here lspci:http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/lspci%20is%20here |
| 19:32.08 | Cholito | sam_uk: lspci |
| 19:32.39 | Cholito | oh, sorry |
| 19:33.07 | Cholito | sam_uk: 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
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| 19:33.20 | perlmonk | totallsd, pointing out someone to a man page is not to harm you... it's just because if everyone looks at the same documentation, 1) the documentation is checked once more and get more reliable if you find an issue in it. 2) You'll at the end be independant. 3) People here can answer to people who are really in need of help... |
| 19:34.14 | sam_uk | OK thanks, |
| 19:34.31 | totallsd | concerning 2) i'm not dependent of my computer :) ; concerning 3) i am, just on a different level of difficulty |
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| 19:34.50 | cahoot | sam_uk: snd-hda-intel is the alsa module for that device |
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| 19:35.07 | PcDark | how do you put python & perl & ruby to work in apache2 on debian |
| 19:35.14 | perlmonk | totallsd, I mean independant of asking questions on IRC to survive in unix |
| 19:35.18 | PcDark | they're all installed to latest version |
| 19:35.39 | PcDark | That's how I survive, perlmonk |
| 19:35.45 | Cholito | for the day you don't have inet conection ;) |
| 19:35.47 | perlmonk | totallsd, reading a man page is you difficulty level I seen so far |
| 19:36.07 | perlmonk | for perl, mod_perl comes to mind |
| 19:36.12 | totallsd | you? |
| 19:36.21 | sam_uk | thanks cahoot |
| 19:36.32 | PcDark | I apt-get'd to install python ruby and perl |
| 19:36.36 | PcDark | php5 i followed a tutorial |
| 19:36.50 | perlmonk | well, even for job, if you're 100% of time asking "how do I do this" you loose your job |
| 19:36.52 | PcDark | What's the apt-get to install mysql4 |
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| 19:37.08 | perlmonk | PcDark, Why you want all those anyways ? |
| 19:37.09 | PcDark | perlmonk: not at mcdonalds |
| 19:37.23 | PcDark | Learning different languages, learning perl atm |
| 19:37.25 | totallsd | perlmonk what are you trying to tell me? |
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| 19:37.29 | perlmonk | PcDark, Macdonald's runs unix to make hamburgers ? |
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| 19:37.35 | PcDark | No |
| 19:37.44 | PcDark | Pointing your statement about the job |
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| 19:38.00 | perlmonk | totallsd, I try to tell you, read the man pages, people don't point you to a man page to be mean, they just show you the best direction |
| 19:38.08 | perlmonk | :P |
| 19:38.18 | PcDark | can someone explain how to add perl to apache's mods |
| 19:38.28 | perlmonk | PcDark, man httpd.conf |
| 19:38.31 | perlmonk | or google |
| 19:38.40 | perlmonk | or both |
| 19:38.46 | perlmonk | actually, both |
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| 19:38.56 | PcDark | no such file |
| 19:39.02 | perlmonk | ok, google |
| 19:39.13 | perlmonk | or try |
| 19:39.16 | perlmonk | man apache.conf |
| 19:39.47 | PcDark | is this right |
| 19:39.53 | PcDark | #!usr/bin/perl |
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| 19:39.58 | shastry | on etch, can libc6-xen be used on normal kernels too ? |
| 19:39.59 | PcDark | print "HI!"; |
| 19:40.03 | perlmonk | This is to write a perl script |
| 19:40.08 | perlmonk | it's called a shebang |
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| 19:40.15 | PcDark | I just need to test |
| 19:40.19 | perlmonk | ok |
| 19:40.28 | perlmonk | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 19:40.39 | shastry | #!/usr/bin/env perl |
| 19:40.41 | totallsd | you are one smart guy perlmonky |
| 19:40.43 | perlmonk | print "Perl works!\n"; |
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| 19:41.09 | perlmonk | totallsd, Nothing to do with beeing smart, I just read documentation |
| 19:41.14 | perlmonk | but thanks |
| 19:41.31 | obstfliege | hi |
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| 19:42.48 | PcDark | all it did was show text |
| 19:42.52 | PcDark | didn't interpret perl |
| 19:42.55 | h3sp4wn | shastry: There is no reason to do so afaik it just disables tls the only reason to do that would be when running a xen kernel (or you would just get worse performance) would work though |
| 19:43.05 | perlmonk | well |
| 19:43.23 | perlmonk | PcDark, What I shown you is not mod_perl stuff |
| 19:43.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:43.29 | perlmonk | it's shell stuff |
| 19:43.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do i switch DNS servers? |
| 19:43.34 | perlmonk | you need to set an handler |
| 19:43.55 | perlmonk | please refer to apache documentation http://www.apache.org or some tutorial found using google |
| 19:44.02 | shastry | h3sp4wn: i am running a xen kernel now. but i want the stuff to be compatible with the normal kernel in case of emergency or something |
| 19:44.12 | perlmonk | HardDisk_WP, switch DNs servers ? May you be clearer please ? |
| 19:44.30 | HardDisk_WP | perlmonk, ARCORs dns servers are overloaded |
| 19:44.42 | perlmonk | oh |
| 19:44.45 | perlmonk | simple |
| 19:44.46 | HardDisk_WP | perlmonk, and so i cant surf anymore as i got dns failures all the way |
| 19:44.47 | h3sp4wn | shastry: Will work |
| 19:44.49 | perlmonk | man resolv.conf |
| 19:44.54 | perlmonk | bascialy, you can try this: |
| 19:44.58 | shastry | h3sp4wn: thanks :) |
| 19:45.11 | perlmonk | echo "nameserver 4.2.2.2" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:45.38 | HardDisk_WP | perlmonk, this takes immediate effect? thanks |
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| 19:45.46 | perlmonk | unless your DNS traffic is redirected, will work like a charm |
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| 19:45.54 | perlmonk | yup |
| 19:45.57 | perlmonk | yw |
| 19:46.19 | HardDisk_WP | i dont have to reboot or mesing around with ifconfig? |
| 19:46.26 | perlmonk | No |
| 19:46.29 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: no |
| 19:47.01 | perlmonk | heh |
| 19:47.28 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 19:48.46 | perlmonk | HardDisk_WP, man resolv.conf is short and nice too... |
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| 19:51.31 | PcDark | oh this is a PAIN |
| 19:51.39 | blondie | pain++ |
| 19:51.42 | PcDark | I've extracted and downloaded mod_perl, but this'll take forever |
| 19:51.53 | blondie | why didn't you apt-get it? |
| 19:52.29 | PcDark | there is no mod_perl in apt |
| 19:52.29 | blondie | there is. |
| 19:52.30 | PcDark | I tried, apt-get install mod_perl |
| 19:52.30 | PcDark | doesn't work |
| 19:52.32 | blondie | it's not called that |
| 19:52.35 | blondie | did you search? |
| 19:52.38 | PcDark | what's it called |
| 19:52.41 | VolVE | Hey all, I'm a little confused. On Etch, when installing Apache2, the default is apache2-mpm-worker, but when installing php5 later it tries to remove apache2-mpm-worker and install apache2-mpm-prefork; anyone know why? Google isn't much help... |
| 19:52.42 | perlmonk | apt-get install libapache-mod-perl |
| 19:52.55 | perlmonk | PcDark, man apt-cache (option search...) |
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| 19:53.07 | blondie | libapache-mod-perl or libapache2-mod-perl2 for apache2 |
| 19:53.09 | perlmonk | ah, yes, apache2 |
| 19:53.09 | PcDark | I know how to use apt-cache search regexmatch |
| 19:53.15 | PcDark | darn you ! |
| 19:53.16 | blondie | you don't know how. |
| 19:53.19 | perlmonk | libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 19:53.21 | PcDark | i have to redo it |
| 19:53.23 | PcDark | ill remove |
| 19:53.29 | Cholito | lol |
| 19:53.38 | blondie | PcDark: "apt-cache search mod_perl" found it :P |
| 19:53.44 | perlmonk | apt-cache search mod_perl <---- simple |
| 19:53.50 | blondie | indeed |
| 19:54.11 | PcDark | k installing |
| 19:54.24 | PcDark | will this automatically make apache2 work with perl? |
| 19:54.44 | perlmonk | PcDark, Well, I'll put it this way: |
| 19:55.06 | perlmonk | With *nix you will have to read documentation. Rarely something "works automatically" |
| 19:55.34 | perlmonk | Why you want all those languages integrated with apache2 ? |
| 19:55.35 | PcDark | ;( |
| 19:55.39 | perlmonk | Sounds like you use none.... |
| 19:55.40 | PcDark | so I can use them? |
| 19:55.50 | PcDark | I know php, I'm learning the others |
| 19:55.55 | perlmonk | Well, start with one |
| 19:56.02 | perlmonk | well |
| 19:56.03 | PcDark | That's why i'm installing perl >_> |
| 19:56.04 | perlmonk | for example |
| 19:56.21 | perlmonk | starting with perl in a web context is not the best idea |
| 19:56.31 | perlmonk | start with perl in a shell script |
| 19:56.39 | perlmonk | will make things simpler |
| 19:56.39 | PcDark | perl is working |
| 19:56.43 | PcDark | apt-get <3 |
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| 19:57.19 | puggan | problems whit courier-pop/imap whit mysql: http://home.puggan.com/error/ |
| 19:57.29 | perlmonk | now, http://www.perl.com and http://www.perlmonks.com |
| 19:57.30 | blondie | whit? |
| 19:57.45 | blondie | perlmonk: and #perl? :P |
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| 19:58.03 | perlmonk | well, depends if it's merlyn who answers you or someone friendly |
| 19:58.06 | perlmonk | :P |
| 19:58.15 | Sakkath | I removed /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc hoping a reinstall would restore the files to their original state |
| 19:58.18 | Sakkath | Guess what, it didn't :). |
| 19:58.24 | PcDark | Sakkath |
| 19:58.24 | perlmonk | puggan, "problems" is not a good description of your issue |
| 19:58.25 | Sakkath | How can I replace those files? |
| 19:58.28 | PcDark | do I know you |
| 19:58.34 | Sakkath | PcDark: possibly? |
| 19:58.37 | PcDark | do you own atlantisIRC |
| 19:58.40 | Sakkath | PcDark: yes why? |
| 19:58.45 | PcDark | Thought so |
| 19:58.51 | PcDark | Tarball's friend from swiftirc |
| 19:58.57 | Sakkath | I see |
| 19:58.58 | blondie | perlmonk: haha |
| 19:59.04 | Sakkath | PcDark: why you use swiftirc LOl |
| 19:59.14 | PcDark | bcos i know ppl there ;( |
| 19:59.17 | Sakkath | lol |
| 19:59.20 | Sakkath | migrate them elsewhere |
| 19:59.21 | Sakkath | :P |
| 19:59.38 | Sakkath | PcDark: can you help me? lol |
| 19:59.38 | perlmonk | Ok, I'm getting emotive, they met again... |
| 19:59.47 | PcDark | with what |
| 19:59.50 | PcDark | im not that smart |
| 19:59.54 | PcDark | I thought your dedi = gentoo |
| 19:59.55 | perlmonk | Sakkath, Do you have backups ? |
| 20:00.02 | Sakkath | PcDark: it is, this is a friends |
| 20:00.03 | Sakkath | perlmonk: no |
| 20:00.07 | perlmonk | you should |
| 20:00.12 | Sakkath | I know |
| 20:00.25 | Sakkath | so let's continue :) |
| 20:00.39 | blondie | Sakkath: copy them from another machine |
| 20:00.48 | Sakkath | blondie: yeah prob is i donno anyone with a debian machine |
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| 20:01.06 | PcDark | I have 1 ;S |
| 20:01.06 | blondie | Sakkath: what version of debian is it? |
| 20:01.09 | perlmonk | well, for /etc/profile.... do you have a user in your machine you never used or on which you never modified the basic files ? |
| 20:01.11 | PcDark | its just a homeserver though |
| 20:01.13 | Sakkath | blondie: uh, 'stable'? |
| 20:01.30 | perlmonk | stable.... sarge ? |
| 20:01.31 | Sakkath | blondie: i'm not familiar with debian, i'm a gentoo'er myself, sorry if that information isn't enough, ha! |
| 20:01.38 | Sakkath | perlmonk: i honestly dont know, how can i find out :P |
| 20:01.42 | Sakkath | But I think |
| 20:01.47 | perlmonk | dono, maybe a uname -a |
| 20:02.04 | Sakkath | 2.4.27-2-386 if that helps |
| 20:02.14 | PcDark | that's just your kernel.. |
| 20:02.16 | perlmonk | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:02.19 | Sakkath | i know PcDark |
| 20:02.22 | perlmonk | Sakkath, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:02.24 | Sakkath | but i haven't upgarded it manually |
| 20:02.27 | PcDark | ah |
| 20:02.31 | Sakkath | perlmonk: 3.1 |
| 20:02.35 | perlmonk | sarge |
| 20:02.38 | PcDark | stable? |
| 20:02.42 | perlmonk | yup |
| 20:02.44 | Sakkath | yes |
| 20:02.50 | PcDark | okie dokie |
| 20:02.54 | perlmonk | I run etch, sorry, can't give you those files |
| 20:03.00 | Sakkath | lol |
| 20:03.04 | PcDark | I can. |
| 20:03.14 | Sakkath | PcDark: would you? *flutters eyelids* |
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| 20:03.35 | perlmonk | Damn, Are you guys end up having cybersex in the chan ? |
| 20:03.40 | Sakkath | :| |
| 20:03.42 | PcDark | You are sick |
| 20:03.48 | perlmonk | going to * |
| 20:03.50 | Sakkath | I dislike apt-cache search; is there a way i can search just for pkg name? |
| 20:04.03 | blondie | Sakkath: what do you mean you "dislike it"? |
| 20:04.14 | blondie | what's wrong with it? |
| 20:04.15 | Sakkath | blondie: i search for ntp and get results like mozilla LOL |
| 20:04.21 | perlmonk | Sakkath, apt-cache search also looks for packages names |
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| 20:04.32 | Sakkath | perlmonk: how can i restrict it to just that |
| 20:04.33 | mc__ | !greenhouse |
| 20:04.34 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:04.35 | PcDark | Sakkath: what files exactly do you need |
| 20:04.37 | blondie | Sakkath: | grep |
| 20:04.41 | perlmonk | No idea, always worked fine for me |
| 20:04.49 | Sakkath | PcDark: /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:05.01 | Sakkath | perlmonk: well coming from gentoo... i dislike it |
| 20:05.03 | Sakkath | mc__: hush |
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| 20:05.10 | PcDark | Ok, bash first. |
| 20:05.11 | PcDark | sec |
| 20:05.24 | Sakkath | mc__: it's peole like you that make freenode full of zealotry |
| 20:05.31 | shastry | is there some file (like some rc.startup or so) thats executed at the end of boot sequence ? |
| 20:05.34 | perlmonk | Sakkath, We won't start a distro war here, you like gentoo, fine for you |
| 20:05.39 | PcDark | how do I copy a file |
| 20:05.43 | Sakkath | perlmonk: exactly, that's what i'm telling to mc__ |
| 20:05.45 | perlmonk | !distrowar |
| 20:05.48 | perlmonk | !distro war |
| 20:05.49 | PcDark | to another dir |
| 20:05.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, distro war is saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt. |
| 20:05.56 | PcDark | like copy /etc/bash.rc /var/www |
| 20:06.08 | blondie | dpkg: WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT! |
| 20:06.09 | JeroenE | Sakkath: apt-cache search --names-only ntp |
| 20:06.12 | Sakkath | PcDark: cp lol |
| 20:06.12 | PcDark | 1sec, I"ll get on the machine itself |
| 20:06.18 | Sakkath | JeroenE: thank you |
| 20:06.19 | mc__ | Sakkath: i didnt want to offend you |
| 20:06.29 | Sakkath | mc__: k |
| 20:06.30 | mc__ | Sakkath: dont take everything so serious |
| 20:06.35 | perlmonk | Sakkath, Actually, there's no man pages in gentoo ? man apt-cache will help |
| 20:07.08 | Sakkath | perlmonk: meh i assume that's my fault, i'm sorry, i was just a lil worried because i had removed bash not realizing i couldn't reinstall it with just csh |
| 20:07.15 | Sakkath | perlmonk: so i'm still a bit nervous :D |
| 20:07.19 | PcDark | what the heck |
| 20:07.24 | perlmonk | try zsh :) |
| 20:07.26 | perlmonk | hehe |
| 20:07.32 | PcDark | I can't see /etc/prfile, I'm root and it says "permission denied" |
| 20:07.34 | Sakkath | perlmonk: wasn't installed, and wouldn't install, nothing would |
| 20:07.35 | perlmonk | or ksh |
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| 20:07.40 | Sakkath | perlmonk: only csh was |
| 20:07.41 | perlmonk | I use ksh in openbsd |
| 20:07.59 | PcDark | what bash file did you need again |
| 20:08.09 | Sakkath | perlmonk: so i got a .deb for dash and used `deb2targz` on a gentoo box, trasfered via ftp, unzipped, then was able to get bash installed again :D |
| 20:08.14 | Sakkath | PcDark: /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:08.27 | mc__ | what was the command that makes dpkg says somethin like "dpkg spend 8 hours with compiling foo so thath foo runs faster" ? |
| 20:08.32 | PcDark | That is wierd |
| 20:08.39 | PcDark | I can't do it |
| 20:08.44 | Sakkath | PcDark: O_o |
| 20:08.46 | PcDark | It gives me permission denied |
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| 20:08.48 | PcDark | I"M ROOT |
| 20:08.53 | PcDark | this is really crazy :( |
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| 20:09.00 | Sakkath | PcDark: cp to /root then make it like 666 or somethin |
| 20:09.04 | perlmonk | PcDark, show me your shell invite |
| 20:09.13 | perlmonk | what tells something like user@machine |
| 20:09.23 | PcDark | sec |
| 20:09.32 | Sakkath | perlmonk: that's what it's actually called? 'shell invite'? |
| 20:09.34 | perlmonk | PcDark, No, don't do that |
| 20:09.37 | PcDark | Tower-3:~ |
| 20:09.39 | Sakkath | I always said PS1 or prompt :P |
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| 20:09.56 | rororo | anybody expirience with audigy2 zs and debian? |
| 20:09.56 | PcDark | It's just my hostname |
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| 20:10.11 | PcDark | No @ anything, though if i go on pcdark@Tower-3 |
| 20:10.16 | perlmonk | Sakkath, Maybe because you are young ? |
| 20:10.17 | PcDark | Then yes. |
| 20:10.22 | PcDark | I'm young |
| 20:10.25 | PcDark | 13 </3 |
| 20:10.26 | Sakkath | perlmonk: :) |
| 20:10.29 | perlmonk | and then ? |
| 20:10.33 | perlmonk | is there a $ of a # ? |
| 20:10.35 | Sakkath | perlmonk: i'm 15. almost 16, so yeah i guess |
| 20:10.39 | PcDark | No, it's a # |
| 20:10.45 | perlmonk | ok, you are root... |
| 20:10.54 | PcDark | yes. |
| 20:11.00 | PcDark | and SFTP, I can't move the stupid file |
| 20:11.11 | perlmonk | hehe |
| 20:11.13 | Sakkath | PcDark: cp /etc/profile /root && chmod 666 /root/profile |
| 20:11.23 | Sakkath | my own sftp is borked >.< |
| 20:11.23 | perlmonk | for sftp, you are logged in as which user ? |
| 20:11.28 | PcDark | root |
| 20:11.40 | rororo | anybody know how installing AUDIGY2ZS in debian? |
| 20:11.52 | perlmonk | show an ls -ld /etc/profile |
| 20:11.58 | PcDark | Okie |
| 20:12.12 | PcDark | Tower-3:~# ls -ld /etc/profile |
| 20:12.13 | PcDark | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 501 2004-11-10 11:23 /etc/profile |
| 20:12.13 | PcDark | Tower-3:~# |
| 20:12.17 | Sakkath | O_o |
| 20:12.25 | perlmonk | hum |
| 20:12.26 | Sakkath | PcDark: that's radable by all LOL |
| 20:12.28 | Sakkath | readable* |
| 20:12.36 | Sakkath | that's odd |
| 20:12.36 | PcDark | Yeah, I just ran your command |
| 20:12.55 | perlmonk | and ? |
| 20:13.01 | PcDark | still permission denied, CWD /etc/profile |
| 20:13.02 | Sakkath | PcDark: well that's diferent, you changed the permissiosn on /root/profile not /etc/profile |
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| 20:13.20 | PcDark | Debian's messed up :( |
| 20:13.22 | perlmonk | PcDark, Are you SURE your sftp client is logged in as root ? |
| 20:13.28 | PcDark | Yes, I"M SURE |
| 20:13.30 | PcDark | illr elogin |
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| 20:13.36 | perlmonk | read this sentence 10 times before answering |
| 20:13.45 | blondie | Sakkath: /etc/profile is meant to be world-readable. |
| 20:13.55 | Sakkath | blondie: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 20:13.58 | perlmonk | PcDark, debian works fine here. |
| 20:14.00 | blondie | perlmonk: if it is, it shouldn't be |
| 20:14.14 | blondie | 2007-01-06 20:12:28 < Sakkath> PcDark: that's radable by all LO |
| 20:14.27 | Sakkath | blondie: ya LOl because it's ironic it's raedable by all and he can't get it via sftp |
| 20:14.33 | perlmonk | blondie, yes, it's ok if it is |
| 20:14.40 | S4RuM4N | Hi everybody. |
| 20:14.45 | blondie | perlmonk: not |
| 20:14.47 | PcDark | Look Sakkath |
| 20:14.51 | PcDark | I'll give you root, you do it |
| 20:15.00 | S4RuM4N | Is there any way to get a libc6 2.4 please ? |
| 20:15.00 | perlmonk | Every unix I have here has /etc/profile world readable |
| 20:15.02 | blondie | http://www.xelam.net/stuff/debian-bash.bashrc |
| 20:15.03 | Sakkath | PcDark: O_o |
| 20:15.05 | blondie | http://www.xelam.net/stuff/debian-profile |
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| 20:15.09 | PcDark | I'm not smart enough |
| 20:15.10 | Sakkath | blondie: thank you |
| 20:15.17 | PcDark | o ok |
| 20:15.19 | Sakkath | PcDark: don't sweat it |
| 20:15.29 | perlmonk | blondie, and check yours it certainly is |
| 20:15.38 | blondie | perlmonk: I was referring to using sftp as root. |
| 20:15.51 | Sakkath | blondie: that's dodgy ha |
| 20:15.55 | perlmonk | perlmonk, well, I never encouraged it |
| 20:16.10 | blondie | perlmonk: the first sign |
| 20:16.11 | Sakkath | perlmonk: should bash.bashrc be 655 as well? |
| 20:16.12 | PcDark | Whatever, finally got mod_perl installed into apache2 |
| 20:16.20 | Faero | Hello. I would like to convert my debian stable server to sarge, I have heard that it is just a case of editing a repository file or similar, and running an apt-get update. Can anyone advise me? |
| 20:16.23 | perlmonk | blondie, what first sign ? |
| 20:16.32 | blondie | perlmonk: of madness |
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| 20:16.49 | dvs | Faero: stable is currently sarge |
| 20:16.57 | PcDark | there, mod_python2.3 installed into apache2 |
| 20:17.14 | Sakkath | apt-get install'ing ntpdate wouldn't keep it cronned or anything will it? I must do that myself? |
| 20:17.24 | PcDark | wait know it didn't work |
| 20:17.30 | blondie | Sakkath: no, they should both be 644 |
| 20:17.38 | perlmonk | Faero, Maybe you still run old-stable aka woody.... |
| 20:17.50 | Sakkath | blondie: oh, erm, sorry, i meant that! |
| 20:17.51 | PcDark | This is wierd |
| 20:17.57 | shastry | how do i run something on reboot ? |
| 20:17.59 | PcDark | I installed mod_python2.3 into apache2 with apt-get |
| 20:18.01 | perlmonk | in /etc/apt/sources.list change all occurences to woody to stable or sarge |
| 20:18.02 | PcDark | yet it won't work |
| 20:18.13 | perlmonk | then, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:18.14 | Faero | perlmonk - I'm not sure, its very possible - it is a root server in a hosting centre that was preloaded for me |
| 20:18.25 | Faero | okay, I'll do that now |
| 20:18.26 | PcDark | Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/5.2.0-0.dotdeb.3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at 192.168.1.102 Port 80 <- python won't show up |
| 20:18.27 | cahoot | shastry: @reboot in ccrontab |
| 20:18.31 | perlmonk | Faero, cat /etc/debian_version gives what ? |
| 20:18.40 | PcDark | You're running apache on root Faero, That is stpuid. |
| 20:18.46 | dvs | Faero: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:18.54 | Faero | 3.1 |
| 20:18.54 | dvs | perlmonk: oops. sorry |
| 20:18.59 | dvs | Faero: that's sarge |
| 20:19.05 | perlmonk | yup, it is |
| 20:19.10 | PcDark | Why won't python work ! |
| 20:19.14 | perlmonk | Faero, keep it update to date |
| 20:19.23 | Faero | I see... stuff is not updating, then |
| 20:19.24 | perlmonk | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:19.36 | S4RuM4N | Is there any way to get a libc6 2.4 please ? I really need this, even a tweak from another distrib, or rebuilding from the sources. |
| 20:19.47 | perlmonk | PcDark, Because you are lame and should read documentation instead of installing shit you have no need for |
| 20:20.14 | PcDark | I want it |
| 20:20.24 | perlmonk | ok, -> google |
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| 20:20.59 | Faero | rar depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1); however: |
| 20:20.59 | Faero | Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4. |
| 20:21.03 | Sakkath | /etc/bash.bashrc isn't sourced by default? |
| 20:21.09 | dvs | Faero: do you have security in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:21.13 | Faero | yet I have run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:21.18 | PcDark | libapache-mod-python2.3 - An Apache module that embeds Python 2.3 within the server |
| 20:21.23 | PcDark | so i apt-get that |
| 20:21.38 | dvs | Faero: where did you get rar from? |
| 20:21.53 | Sakkath | oh maybe first, then profile |
| 20:22.08 | Faero | I downloaded a .deb |
| 20:22.10 | perlmonk | Faero, apt-get remove rar && apt-get install rar |
| 20:22.23 | dvs | Faero: that's why. It probably wasn't from Debian. |
| 20:22.23 | perlmonk | then retry the apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 20:22.26 | PcDark | Python 2.3 /etc/python2.3 |
| 20:22.32 | PcDark | so why won't the apt-get work ! |
| 20:22.35 | Faero | my sources.list looks a bit suspect |
| 20:22.43 | Faero | deb ftp://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 20:22.43 | Faero | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ stable main |
| 20:22.44 | Faero | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 20:22.52 | Faero | shouldn't it say unstable? |
| 20:22.56 | perlmonk | Faero, do not flood the chan |
| 20:23.03 | dvs | Faero: NO! |
| 20:23.17 | Faero | Sorry |
| 20:23.17 | perlmonk | use a pastebin instead |
| 20:23.26 | S4RuM4N | please, someone can help me ? i stfw but i don't find libc6 2.4-1 for Debian, even unstable. |
| 20:23.28 | perlmonk | no, it's ok |
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| 20:23.49 | perlmonk | bbs |
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| 20:24.17 | jetscreamer | S4RuM4N: maybe apt-get dist-upgrade instead |
| 20:24.34 | S4RuM4N | no, it's still 2.3.6-9 |
| 20:24.36 | christopher_l | remove help text in menu? |
| 20:24.40 | Sakkath | omg i can't get my PS1 to work |
| 20:24.56 | PcDark | mouse? |
| 20:25.04 | Faero | I get: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:25.06 | Sakkath | oh |
| 20:25.06 | PcDark | Do a PCI scan? |
| 20:25.09 | dvs | Sakkath: Sony doesn't make that anymore. ;-) |
| 20:25.12 | Sakkath | .bashrc is overrideing |
| 20:25.12 | Sakkath | ha |
| 20:25.14 | Sakkath | dvs: lol |
| 20:25.25 | PcDark | Sakkath: how do you install mod_python |
| 20:25.33 | PcDark | stupid debian won't let it work :( |
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| 20:25.39 | Sakkath | PcDark: i dont know i dont use debian |
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| 20:26.21 | perlmonk | Faero, should work... works here |
| 20:26.47 | Faero | I know, thats why I was wondering if I had the most up to date version |
| 20:26.54 | perlmonk | PcDark, You can join #gentoo, take debian off of your machine and let Sakkath help you also. |
| 20:27.01 | PcDark | alos, apt-get install libapache2-mod-ruby |
| 20:27.02 | Sakkath | lol |
| 20:27.03 | PcDark | didn't work |
| 20:27.03 | perlmonk | Still you will have learned NOTHING |
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| 20:27.08 | Faero | When I tried to install the .deb file, it was giving me dependency errors, saying old versions of the dependencies were there |
| 20:27.09 | PcDark | Gentoo is too hard for me |
| 20:27.12 | perlmonk | as learning is in documentation |
| 20:27.22 | perlmonk | PcDark, windows would be too hard for you |
| 20:27.36 | PcDark | fine, I'll read stupid documentation on installing mod_python... |
| 20:27.46 | perlmonk | you got it :) |
| 20:28.08 | eyeris | I am trying to install the NVidia binary drivers in an i386 chroot on my amd64 system. The kernel module compiles fine but linking fails with an error message that relocatable linking from i386 to x86_64 is not possible. I know I've solved this problem in the past, but I cannot remember the solution. Does anyone here know how to make the build system build the kernel module correctly? |
| 20:28.15 | perlmonk | Faero, yes... well, apt-get install rar works here |
| 20:28.30 | perlmonk | Faero, ok, try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:28.34 | Sakkath | PcDark: i'm looking for a good howto for you, i can't find one, but you can look at this for a reference at least, DON'T DO IT WORD-FOR-WORD though it's not made for debian obviously :P http://gentoo-wiki.com/Apache_Modules_mod_python |
| 20:28.44 | PcDark | yea |
| 20:28.46 | dvs | Faero: you don't have nonfree in your sources.list file |
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| 20:28.49 | Faero | perlmonk: works, but installs nothing |
| 20:28.52 | PcDark | thanks ;) |
| 20:29.01 | totallsd | what does iconify do or how do i get the window back |
| 20:29.03 | shastry | 1777 on /tmp means anyone can rm -r /tmp if its empty |
| 20:29.08 | shastry | any way to prevent this ? |
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| 20:29.13 | perlmonk | Faero, ok, what about apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:29.21 | MiK[3]Zz | hi dudes, which cds do i need to install basic debian? |
| 20:29.27 | Sakkath | shastry: when is /tmp ever empty? |
| 20:29.42 | Faero | dvs: ah, thats it! |
| 20:29.43 | perlmonk | MiK[3]Zz, You have two choices, net-install or complete cd collection.... |
| 20:29.44 | shastry | oww thats a good point |
| 20:29.50 | amphi | MiK[3]Zz: netinstall iso? |
| 20:29.56 | eyeris | shastry the acl support on ext3 should help |
| 20:29.56 | Sakkath | shastry: it's 'drwxrwxrwt' right? |
| 20:29.57 | dvs | Faero: ;-) |
| 20:30.03 | perlmonk | unless you have an offline station, I recommend net-install |
| 20:30.04 | shastry | Sakkath: yep |
| 20:30.07 | shastry | eyeris: aah |
| 20:30.12 | MiK[3]Zz | perlmonk: and if i choose cd collection, i need to download all of cds (10)? |
| 20:30.14 | shastry | omg amphi!!!!!! |
| 20:30.23 | Sakkath | shastry: don't sweat it, it's been that way for ever :) i never heard anyone worry about it yet |
| 20:30.29 | Sakkath | s/never heard/haven't heard/ |
| 20:30.30 | MiK[3]Zz | perlmonk: oh, ok then, thanks |
| 20:30.30 | totallsd | mikezz no, just cd1, but this will give you a very basic system |
| 20:30.32 | PcDark | is there a way to install the command "php" |
| 20:30.34 | shastry | Sakkath: ok cool |
| 20:30.42 | PcDark | php5 is embedded in apache atm. |
| 20:30.45 | Sakkath | PcDark: well from what i know, you need php with cli support? |
| 20:30.49 | PcDark | Yes |
| 20:30.56 | MiK[3]Zz | and last question, where will be etch? |
| 20:30.59 | PcDark | php5 is running properly |
| 20:31.10 | Sakkath | PcDark: next time use apt-cache search php, but here "apt-get install php-cli"? |
| 20:31.13 | perlmonk | PcDark, apt-get php5-cli |
| 20:31.16 | dvs | !topicsmite MiK[3]Zz |
| 20:31.17 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MiK[3]Zz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:31.17 | perlmonk | install |
| 20:31.23 | Sakkath | oh yeah, what he asid, sorry |
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| 20:31.46 | perlmonk | Ah, whatever PcDark READ man apt-get and read apt-cache |
| 20:31.48 | totallsd | somebody who is using blackbox tell me what iconify does to the window |
| 20:32.02 | perlmonk | take the good decision to read documentation or you will go nowhere |
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| 20:32.13 | PcDark | php5-cli has no installation canidate |
| 20:32.31 | perlmonk | dono how you ever learned php even |
| 20:32.31 | perlmonk | ok |
| 20:32.31 | perlmonk | php4-cli then |
| 20:32.32 | Sakkath | PcDark: http://www.modpython.org/ http://www.modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/ maybe you can check those out, i have no experience in mod_python so don't ask for help sorry |
| 20:32.33 | perlmonk | you run sarge, it has no php5 maybe |
| 20:32.39 | Sakkath | perlmonk: ew why not |
| 20:32.43 | Sakkath | php5 is so stable |
| 20:32.44 | Faero | dvs: added nonfree mirrors to my sources.list, and everything is working well now |
| 20:32.46 | PcDark | thank you sakkath |
| 20:32.46 | Faero | thanks a million |
| 20:32.53 | dvs | Faero: cool! |
| 20:33.05 | amphi | hey shastry |
| 20:33.08 | PcDark | will php4-cli work on php5 |
| 20:33.13 | perlmonk | Sakkath, Because stable was frozen, the developpement now is on sid and etch |
| 20:33.15 | Sakkath | I honestly don't see why ANYONE would use php4 anymore, there is even php6 now >.< |
| 20:33.23 | MiK[3]Zz | thx |
| 20:33.25 | Sakkath | perlmonk: meh |
| 20:33.27 | PcDark | php7 beta <3 |
| 20:33.30 | Sakkath | perlmonk: sarge isn't even that old |
| 20:33.33 | Sakkath | :\ |
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| 20:33.35 | perlmonk | Sakkath, it's not because something is new that it works fine |
| 20:33.41 | Sakkath | meh |
| 20:33.45 | Sakkath | php5 > php4 |
| 20:33.48 | perlmonk | on sarge, you have tested stuff |
| 20:34.02 | perlmonk | Sakkath, If you are here for trolling, you can aswell go away |
| 20:34.08 | Sakkath | I apologize |
| 20:34.11 | perlmonk | read the debian documentation, you will understand |
| 20:34.26 | perlmonk | I recommend debian-reference |
| 20:34.44 | perlmonk | If you're afraid of english, it's even translated |
| 20:34.54 | Sakkath | meh |
| 20:35.01 | Sakkath | nice disclaimer LOl |
| 20:35.03 | PcDark | perlmonk has attitude problems :( |
| 20:35.21 | eyeris | btw, the solution to my problem was to not build the kernel module since it will never be loaded :) |
| 20:35.33 | perlmonk | I have no problem, I help people here for free, people that make me tell them 10 times to read a damn documentation... |
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| 20:36.19 | perlmonk | I administrate unix servers since years... If I say "read a man page" or "read the documentation" it' |
| 20:36.21 | perlmonk | s not to bitch you |
| 20:36.28 | perlmonk | heh |
| 20:36.29 | S4RuM4N | I need advice : is the experimental libc6 working good enought to use it on a laptop ? |
| 20:36.35 | perlmonk | whatever, I have a bug to fix... |
| 20:36.35 | S4RuM4N | please |
| 20:37.05 | perlmonk | S4RuM4N, no idea man, sorry |
| 20:37.08 | blondie | perlmonk: etch is frozen too :) |
| 20:37.15 | perlmonk | blondie, :P |
| 20:37.24 | perlmonk | well, from times to times, it's not |
| 20:37.24 | S4RuM4N | k. anybody else please ? :( |
| 20:37.26 | perlmonk | hehe |
| 20:37.33 | perlmonk | S4RuM4N, wel... try :) |
| 20:37.40 | perlmonk | then tell us |
| 20:37.51 | S4RuM4N | yeah, but i don't want to reinstall it |
| 20:37.51 | perlmonk | You _really_ need it ? |
| 20:37.55 | blondie | S4RuM4N: why would a laptop be different from another machine? |
| 20:38.00 | S4RuM4N | to get xgl working yeah |
| 20:38.02 | hesco | I've posted (and updated) my question and some background about a conflicting dependency issue for apt-get install libapache2-svn, at: http://pastebin.ca/307783 If anyone has any ideas of how to proceed, I'd certainly appreciate it. |
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| 20:38.19 | S4RuM4N | blondie: not different, but it's to say that's not a server ^^ |
| 20:38.33 | perlmonk | S4RuM4N, Well, it's experimental, so anyways, you won't keep this version and will have to reinstall it... |
| 20:38.36 | hesco | I want to be able to install the apache support for svn without have libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-perl removed from the system. |
| 20:38.37 | perlmonk | obvious ? |
| 20:38.55 | hesco | This is a production server and I can't afford any downtime on existing services. |
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| 20:39.04 | S4RuM4N | hum, just for a package ? |
| 20:39.34 | perlmonk | no, I meant reinstall the lib |
| 20:39.34 | S4RuM4N | my laptop is under etch. i just need a more recent lib6 |
| 20:39.48 | S4RuM4N | ho, yeah. of course |
| 20:39.57 | perlmonk | hesco, you will need dav |
| 20:40.06 | perlmonk | Lemme open your issue |
| 20:40.13 | perlmonk | svn uses dav |
| 20:40.30 | hesco | perlmonk: thanks, yes, please do. |
| 20:40.30 | Sakkath | do i haev to cron ntpdate myself after apt-get install'ing it |
| 20:40.35 | S4RuM4N | the recovery console would be still available to reinstall if somethings goes wrong ? |
| 20:40.46 | blondie | S4RuM4N: well you certainly shouldn't run unstable stuff on a server |
| 20:41.07 | cahoot | Sakkath: why not use a daemon like ntpd och chrony? |
| 20:41.15 | perlmonk | Sakkath, well, depends, consider ntpd or openntpd if time is important |
| 20:41.25 | S4RuM4N | that's a fact ^^ i'm not "completly" crazy... hum... after reflexion... :P |
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| 20:41.31 | hesco | I understand I need dav, but my attempt to install it from debian packages wants to remove libraries existing applications depend on. That's my issue, how to install dav, svn, etc w/o blowing up the tools already working on that server. |
| 20:41.35 | DiamonD | Hellow |
| 20:41.40 | S4RuM4N | hi |
| 20:41.46 | DiamonD | i have a regular question not about debian |
| 20:41.48 | Sakkath | perlmonk: ok i thought so, i just didnt' want to be running a server as in, other boxen sync off me, i just wanted client, but ok |
| 20:42.02 | Sakkath | perlmonk: should i just remove ntpdate then? |
| 20:42.21 | DiamonD | are there more webmail programs that provide webmail as squirrelmaal |
| 20:42.22 | DiamonD | mail |
| 20:42.32 | DiamonD | damm i am drunk ;p |
| 20:42.48 | blondie | huh? |
| 20:42.56 | blondie | from .nl... high as well? ;) |
| 20:42.57 | raf256 | huh? who poked me |
| 20:43.04 | DiamonD | lol |
| 20:43.04 | dvs | DiamonD: stoned! |
| 20:43.10 | perlmonk | Sakkath, I don't think it's really needed to remove it |
| 20:43.16 | DiamonD | nope don't smoke weed anymore ;p |
| 20:43.22 | hesco | DiamondD: yes, there are a number of webmail clients you might offer. I'm not sure which would be in the Debian system though. |
| 20:43.38 | S4RuM4N | webmail = web frontend for mail server no ? |
| 20:43.42 | perlmonk | Sakkath, NOTE ntpd binds on all IPs of an interface, openntpd, not |
| 20:43.45 | Sakkath | if i make a custom PS1 how can i make it show ~ instead of /root, i ripped this $PS1 from another box, where it worked, but it's not on thsi one |
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| 20:43.56 | Sakkath | perlmonk: is that an issue? |
| 20:44.03 | perlmonk | hesco, you want to keep php ? |
| 20:44.08 | maxamillion | is there an option to install etch with a 2.4 kernel or has that been completely phased out? |
| 20:44.11 | perlmonk | Sakkath, on security, it might become |
| 20:44.12 | hesco | yes please, perlmonks |
| 20:44.15 | perlmonk | depends |
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| 20:44.18 | DiamonD | i am looking for something like squirrelmail |
| 20:44.24 | hesco | we have existing sites dependent on php5 |
| 20:44.27 | cuzwhi | Is there an easy way to execute a command in each directory in a tree? |
| 20:44.28 | Sakkath | perlmonk: and, well it's not 'needed' to remove ntpdate, but i dont' need it if i'd run openntpd right? |
| 20:44.31 | perlmonk | hesco, sarge ? |
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| 20:44.40 | RickyRay | hi |
| 20:44.50 | perlmonk | Sakkath, If 'm right, you won't need it |
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| 20:44.55 | DiamonD | i want to know if there anyother programs like squirrelmail ? |
| 20:44.55 | RickyRay | anyone happen to know which terastation is the best one to get? |
| 20:45.02 | perlmonk | DiamonD, horde/imp ? |
| 20:45.13 | perlmonk | DiamonD, http://www.horde.org |
| 20:45.19 | Ny-Ty | C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:45.21 | Sakkath | cuzwhi: make like a bash script or somethin maybe like LS=`ls` and then for x in ${LS}; do cd $x; your-cmd; cd ..; done possibly, donno |
| 20:45.23 | hesco | perlmonk: my /etc/apt/sources.list says "testing", which ever distro that means. I think that's Sarge, but am unsure. |
| 20:45.24 | Thor[away] | i have lost my xorg.conf... where do I get the default version of this file? |
| 20:45.35 | Ny-Ty | C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:45.39 | Ny-Ty | anyoe want to do with this ? |
| 20:45.43 | Ny-Ty | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:45.44 | Ny-Ty | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 20:45.56 | S4RuM4N | Ny-Ty echo $CFLAGS |
| 20:45.58 | cuzwhi | Sakkath: So nothing easy, huh |
| 20:46.00 | S4RuM4N | what do u get ? |
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| 20:46.06 | Ny-Ty | ? |
| 20:46.10 | Ny-Ty | S4RuM4n |
| 20:46.11 | perlmonk | hesco, apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork << what this give you ? |
| 20:46.13 | Sakkath | cuzwhi: i donno, i find bash's 'for' pretty easy lol |
| 20:46.16 | perlmonk | hesco, no, testing is etch |
| 20:46.25 | S4RuM4N | in a console, run : echo $CFLAGS |
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| 20:46.44 | Ny-Ty | it dont echo anythink |
| 20:46.45 | S4RuM4N | in my case, i set a wrong value for that variable |
| 20:46.52 | Ny-Ty | PiXla:/home/nyty# echo $CFLAGS |
| 20:46.56 | perlmonk | Sounds like one of the packages to be installed conflicts with php... |
| 20:46.57 | Ny-Ty | and nothing |
| 20:46.58 | perlmonk | dono why |
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| 20:47.04 | Ny-Ty | blank line |
| 20:47.12 | Thor[away] | i lost my xorg.conf... where do I get the default version of this file? |
| 20:47.13 | perlmonk | I remember I had on a machine php and svn running together |
| 20:47.21 | S4RuM4N | i saw it could also be your kernel headers which are missing. |
| 20:47.22 | hesco | perlmonk: it wants to remove: apache2-common libapache2-mod-perl2 libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-security |
| 20:47.23 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.30 | perlmonk | ok |
| 20:47.32 | Wyzard | Anyone know offhand what module I need to load to get ACPI temperature-monitoring support on a Conroe processor? |
| 20:47.36 | Ny-Ty | Thor[away]: dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:47.37 | hesco | all of which I want to keep. |
| 20:47.41 | Wyzard | The core ACPI "thermal" module is already loaded, but that doesn't do anything |
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| 20:47.58 | Ny-Ty | Thor[away]: it create new xorg.conf file |
| 20:47.59 | johaBBa | host can i disable the beep system-wide via command line? |
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| 20:48.15 | Ny-Ty | S4RuM4N: ?? |
| 20:48.19 | Ny-Ty | S4RuM4N: kernel headers ? |
| 20:48.21 | mc__ | johaBBa: unplug your pc speaker |
| 20:48.23 | Ny-Ty | in c compiler ? |
| 20:48.34 | perlmonk | hesco, I'm not sure how to handle this, I would take this machine off-production, install this and try to see how to install php after this. The thing is that I guess you have no replacement/test machine.... which is not helping us. |
| 20:48.39 | johaBBa | mc_, it's a laptop and that's silly |
| 20:48.56 | S4RuM4N | yeah, for some includes for that i saw. |
| 20:48.57 | cahoot | johaBBa: blacklist pcspkr |
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| 20:49.19 | raf256 | abrotman: can I announce new polish channel (tiny yet) with number of Polish debian users? since debian.pl is dead |
| 20:49.23 | raf256 | !pl |
| 20:49.24 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 20:49.24 | S4RuM4N | i cant help you much more, my problem with gcc was just a bad variable |
| 20:49.39 | Ny-Ty | hmmm |
| 20:49.40 | johaBBa | cahoot, hrm. i'll try that |
| 20:49.42 | Thor[away] | Ny-Ty yes, but the default values are my last values... i wanna xorg.conf default... |
| 20:49.55 | blondie | raf256: isn't pl a perl script? |
| 20:49.56 | raf256 | abrotman: also you might want to point that factoid to ##polska - we have 3-5 debian users there vs 0 on debina.pl |
| 20:49.57 | Ny-Ty | it will be default !! |
| 20:49.57 | perlmonk | hesco, if you have the taste for risk, you still can force the install but... as it's a prod server, I wouldn't recommend this approach |
| 20:49.59 | raf256 | * debian.pl |
| 20:50.04 | raf256 | blondie: yes it is also |
| 20:50.05 | cahoot | johaBBa: maybesetterm -blenght 0 in /etc/profile? |
| 20:50.10 | hesco | my client is talking about adding a new server. The problem is that they asked him for an install to "test", so he put it on the development server, then their test site became popular with his organization and he's been having trouble with failing disks and such and everyone is sreaming about down time. |
| 20:50.11 | Ny-Ty | it`s reconfiguration utility for package |
| 20:50.13 | craigevil | if you edited xorg.conf there "should" be a backup file |
| 20:50.17 | Ny-Ty | S4RuM4N: ehm :| it`s shit |
| 20:50.27 | Ny-Ty | how i can use any other version of gcc |
| 20:50.39 | Ny-Ty | ./configure <anythink> --gcc=gcc4.1 ? |
| 20:50.42 | Ny-Ty | or compiler or what |
| 20:50.44 | perlmonk | hesco, get an other machine, do the test on it |
| 20:50.55 | Ny-Ty | ./configure --compiler=GCC4.1 ? |
| 20:50.59 | johaBBa | cahoot, ah. added 'blacklist pcspkr' to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. that did the trick. thanks! |
| 20:51.01 | Ny-Ty | or how i can set it |
| 20:51.09 | S4RuM4N | hum |
| 20:51.12 | Ny-Ty | i know i can add it |
| 20:51.18 | hesco | I'm urging him to move his "test" site to a real production server so we can have our development machine back for its original purpose. But he is a bit gun shy at the moment. |
| 20:51.19 | Ny-Ty | but i dont know how :-) |
| 20:51.20 | PcDark | when running php CLI Mode |
| 20:51.22 | S4RuM4N | in my system, i just ln -s gcc |
| 20:51.24 | perlmonk | hesco, as long you don't restart apache, all this will still be running as they are apache modules... |
| 20:51.25 | PcDark | it closes the socket when i exit putty |
| 20:51.34 | perlmonk | so they are in memory... |
| 20:51.34 | PcDark | how do I fix this |
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| 20:51.41 | PcDark | it's an IRC Bot, written in PHP |
| 20:51.42 | hesco | so perlmonk, what's your handle on perlmonks.org? |
| 20:51.42 | S4RuM4N | mayby : CC=gcc ./conigure ..... |
| 20:51.53 | perlmonk | :) |
| 20:51.57 | sam_uk | how could i recomplie alsa? dpkg -i alsa ??? |
| 20:52.00 | perlmonk | I'm just a user |
| 20:52.02 | cahoot | johaBBa: nästäppa? |
| 20:52.12 | johaBBa | cahoot, ??? |
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| 20:52.15 | perlmonk | and it's .com isn't it ? |
| 20:52.16 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
| 20:52.29 | perlmonk | hesco, do it on a test machine |
| 20:52.35 | perlmonk | see how you can handle stuff |
| 20:52.43 | perlmonk | I have no idea why those packages conflict |
| 20:52.48 | cahoot | johaBBa: just a dumb allusion to your nick |
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| 20:53.01 | blondie | PcDark: run it in screen? |
| 20:54.02 | perlmonk | hehe, he would have to read the screen man page to know how to use it.. blondie, you're killing him on this :P |
| 20:54.38 | capiira | hmm anyone know where i can read how to create an installable theme for gnome ? |
| 20:55.04 | PcDark | blondie: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:55.29 | blondie | PcDark: apt-get install screen; man screen |
| 20:55.31 | capiira | i want to create the a installable original gnome 2.16 theme for 2.14 |
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| 20:55.38 | Ny-Ty | okay |
| 20:55.39 | perlmonk | PcDark, screen is a software (with it's documentation) that could help you on this issue |
| 20:55.43 | Ny-Ty | for next questions of debian users |
| 20:55.45 | Ny-Ty | i solved it |
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| 20:56.04 | Ny-Ty | -> ANSWER: use ./configure CC=c89 |
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| 20:56.22 | Ny-Ty | it works now fine :-) |
| 20:56.32 | Ny-Ty | i`ll create a package for Wine |
| 20:57.10 | perlmonk | There's already a package for wine |
| 20:57.14 | *** part/#debian mzperx (n=mzperx@82.131.188.114.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 20:57.23 | perlmonk | wine - Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader) |
| 20:57.24 | perlmonk | wine-doc - Windows Emulator (Documentation) |
| 20:57.24 | perlmonk | wine-utils - Windows API Implementation (Utilities) |
| 20:57.24 | perlmonk | xwine - graphical user interface for the WINE emulator |
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| 20:57.30 | Ny-Ty | nononono :-) |
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| 20:57.33 | perlmonk | 4 actually |
| 20:57.34 | Ny-Ty | perlmonk |
| 20:57.36 | Ny-Ty | it`s not |
| 20:57.36 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 20:57.41 | Ny-Ty | for amd64 |
| 20:57.42 | Ny-Ty | nothing |
| 20:57.44 | perlmonk | ah |
| 20:57.45 | perlmonk | ok |
| 20:57.55 | Ny-Ty | i`ll do package with linux32 |
| 20:57.59 | PcDark | thanks, screen works like a charm |
| 20:58.14 | mc__ | a wine package would be great |
| 20:58.21 | Ny-Ty | shit |
| 20:58.22 | Eulex | Ny-Ty, wine only runs on ia32 |
| 20:58.28 | Eulex | afaik |
| 20:58.28 | blondie | !enter |
| 20:58.28 | Ny-Ty | yes |
| 20:58.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 20:58.32 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: hello, are you around perhaps? |
| 20:58.33 | Ny-Ty | but i can emulate 32-bit linux |
| 20:58.33 | perlmonk | oh yeah, whenever your connection breaks, to find out how to get back to it, you will have to read the man page PcDark |
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| 20:58.41 | Eulex | Ny-Ty, true |
| 20:58.44 | Ny-Ty | yes |
| 20:58.46 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 20:58.47 | PcDark | apt-get install wine |
| 20:59.09 | maxamillion | if i just install a command line system, can i install from only the first cd for sarge? |
| 20:59.18 | maxamillion | PcDark: aptitude ;) |
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| 20:59.31 | Ny-Ty | mm |
| 20:59.40 | Thor[away] | my X crashes before gnome start... i think it is because I load all the modules (LoadModule) in my xorg.conf... please, can someone say to me the LoadModules of your xorg.conf? |
| 20:59.43 | Ny-Ty | are there any administrators of debian package system ? |
| 21:00.01 | Ny-Ty | Thor[away]: you must reconfigure your xorg :-) i said it |
| 21:00.08 | Ny-Ty | what says log |
| 21:00.13 | Ny-Ty | and what you do |
| 21:00.25 | sebas_ | i'm desperate getting xdmcp work with gdm and x-mins as a remote windows xp client, can anyone please tell me where to look for help? |
| 21:00.28 | Thor[away] | Ny-Ty yes, but i dont know the default modules... in dpkg-rconfigure all of the modules are checked |
| 21:00.30 | perlmonk | Thor[away], it crashes or refuses to start ?> |
| 21:00.40 | Ny-Ty | all "? |
| 21:00.42 | Ny-Ty | wait |
| 21:00.50 | Ny-Ty | i have enabled DBE etc.. |
| 21:00.53 | Ny-Ty | if you want all query me |
| 21:00.57 | Ny-Ty | i will paste it to you |
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| 21:01.08 | Thor[away] | perlmonk the screen becomes black, and i cannot do nothing... the light of caps lock do not apear, etc |
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| 21:01.17 | perlmonk | ok |
| 21:01.18 | Ny-Ty | ehm |
| 21:01.22 | Ny-Ty | and now i have problem :D |
| 21:01.47 | perlmonk | last time I had x crashing, I removed DRI and it worked... |
| 21:02.00 | Thor[away] | hmmm i will try it... i had one valid config, but i acidentaly deleted it =( |
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| 21:02.10 | Ny-Ty | perlmonk: ati card ? |
| 21:02.24 | perlmonk | yes |
| 21:02.26 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 21:02.27 | Ny-Ty | xD |
| 21:02.28 | perlmonk | ati |
| 21:02.31 | Ny-Ty | what ati |
| 21:02.34 | perlmonk | dono |
| 21:02.41 | perlmonk | I don't really care |
| 21:02.42 | Ny-Ty | last i have so many problems with ati |
| 21:02.45 | perlmonk | I don't do 3D |
| 21:02.46 | Ny-Ty | what ati.... |
| 21:02.52 | maddash | I'm currently running etch 2.6.18. would it be ok if I compiled my own 2.6.18.6? would I still be able to run the same packages from the debian repos? |
| 21:02.53 | Ny-Ty | ati x200 or what version :-) |
| 21:02.54 | Ny-Ty | moodel.. |
| 21:03.03 | PcDark | ATI is dumb |
| 21:03.09 | perlmonk | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) |
| 21:03.09 | Ny-Ty | yes |
| 21:03.14 | Ny-Ty | :-)) |
| 21:03.16 | Ny-Ty | 200 mobile |
| 21:03.20 | Ny-Ty | i have same |
| 21:03.26 | blondie | maddash: you can compile your own kernel if you want, but what difference would it make? |
| 21:03.31 | Ny-Ty | you dont want 3d acceleration ? |
| 21:03.51 | perlmonk | Ny-Ty, Well, if you know how to simply/fastly add it, yes |
| 21:03.55 | Ny-Ty | ok |
| 21:04.02 | maddash | blondie: slightly more optimized as well as newer patches ( ie, swsusp2) |
| 21:04.08 | Ny-Ty | past me what write fglrxinfo |
| 21:04.18 | perlmonk | Ny-Ty, let's go private ? |
| 21:04.19 | Ny-Ty | do you have original ati drivers? |
| 21:04.20 | Ny-Ty | ok |
| 21:04.22 | perlmonk | ok |
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| 21:04.30 | Eulex | Thor[away], what gfx card and what X driver? |
| 21:05.06 | AKX | Heyas. Anyone know anything about OpenVPN, and in particular: how to set up a VPN proxy to just use the internet? I'd need to connect using Windows' VPN service to this server |
| 21:05.08 | blondie | maddash: very gentoo |
| 21:05.19 | AKX | (this server being a linux box where I have openvpn installed.) |
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| 21:05.34 | Thor[away] | i am in a hp dv6120 notebook... the video card is geforce... |
| 21:05.38 | perlmonk | Ny-Ty, Check query ? |
| 21:05.38 | Thor[away] | Eulex |
| 21:05.43 | Ny-Ty | ? |
| 21:05.44 | maddash | blondie: huh? I still want my debian packages to run...which is why I didn't go with the 2.6.19 |
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| 21:05.59 | Thor[away] | perlmonk didn't work... i'm sure that i have conflitct with the modules |
| 21:06.00 | Ny-Ty | crossroad office runs on x64 |
| 21:06.00 | perlmonk | Ny-Ty, I opened a private window to chat with you |
| 21:06.01 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 21:06.03 | Ny-Ty | its good soft |
| 21:06.06 | Ny-Ty | yes |
| 21:06.09 | Ny-Ty | i write to you |
| 21:06.14 | perlmonk | oki :) |
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| 21:06.38 | perlmonk | Humm |
| 21:06.41 | perlmonk | I see nothing |
| 21:06.42 | blondie | maddash: why would that break it? |
| 21:06.45 | perlmonk | stange stuff |
| 21:06.57 | Sakkath | PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] ' |
| 21:06.59 | blondie | no, it's called nickserv |
| 21:07.11 | Ny-Ty | perlmonk |
| 21:07.14 | Ny-Ty | do you get answer from me ? |
| 21:07.17 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 21:07.17 | Sakkath | I want that, but I don't want \W I want \w so it shows ~, but then when i cd like cd /root/dir it says ~/dir i just want 'dir' |
| 21:07.23 | blondie | perlmonk: you can't see messages from non-identified users |
| 21:07.26 | maddash | blondie: if I knew, I wouldn't be asking... |
| 21:07.26 | Sakkath | i ripped this from another machien where it works fine |
| 21:07.28 | blondie | unless you set the option with nickserv |
| 21:07.43 | Sakkath | it's prolly the bash version, the one on sarge is so old |
| 21:07.47 | perlmonk | Ny-Ty, join #prv ? |
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| 21:07.54 | Ny-Ty | ok |
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| 21:08.26 | Eulex | Thor[away], are you using the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 21:09.03 | plediii | how can it be that I have no trouble playing audio, but alsaconf claims it can't detect my card? |
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| 21:09.14 | Thor[away] | in the initilization, kernel detected my correct card (the name appear on the screen) |
| 21:09.27 | PcDark | irssi says it needs "glib" to build |
| 21:09.32 | PcDark | How would I install this |
| 21:09.34 | Thor[away] | Eulex for xorg, i'm using the xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 21:09.43 | ofer0 | PcDark, what the heck ? |
| 21:09.55 | PcDark | I'm trying to install IRSSI |
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| 21:10.03 | ofer0 | PcDark, why don't you install it via apt ? |
| 21:10.27 | ofer0 | !irssi |
| 21:10.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 21:10.38 | ofer0 | aptitude install irssi-text |
| 21:10.39 | PcDark | o you can? |
| 21:10.45 | PcDark | whats the ssh to delete a dir |
| 21:10.47 | ofer0 | no need to build it yourself, this is #debian |
| 21:11.01 | ofer0 | PcDark, rmdir, or rm -r. but be careful with that |
| 21:11.02 | PcDark | whats the command to del a dir |
| 21:11.09 | JeroenE | man rmdir |
| 21:11.27 | Eulex | Thor[away], odd then that you can get a crash... |
| 21:12.04 | Thor[away] | Eulex can i get the default xorg.conf of debian? |
| 21:12.25 | ofer0 | Thor[away], use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:12.35 | Eulex | Thor[away], dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will make it ask the questions again |
| 21:12.41 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 21:12.44 | Eulex | though you'll probably need the following: |
| 21:12.45 | Ny-Ty | eulex |
| 21:12.47 | Eulex | !xmd5-xorg |
| 21:12.48 | Ny-Ty | i was said it to him |
| 21:12.52 | Ny-Ty | he dont do anythink :D |
| 21:12.54 | Thor[away] | no man |
| 21:13.03 | Thor[away] | please, listen |
| 21:13.11 | Eulex | !xorgmd5 |
| 21:13.12 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 21:13.35 | Thor[away] | i need to get the default "load modules"... when i do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, ALL the modules came checked, and this is not the defaul value! |
| 21:13.54 | Ny-Ty | yes |
| 21:13.55 | Ny-Ty | but |
| 21:13.56 | Eulex | Thor[away], I think it is... |
| 21:13.59 | Ny-Ty | with what module do you have problem ? |
| 21:14.15 | Thor[away] | Ny-Ty i had made a xorg.conf that worked here... |
| 21:14.31 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 21:14.40 | Ny-Ty | past log |
| 21:14.42 | Thor[away] | after that, i reconfigured and checked all the modules... and before that i could not run;;; |
| 21:14.47 | Thor[away] | i dont have error messages =( |
| 21:14.49 | PcDark | i really wish I could get python to work w/ apache2 |
| 21:14.49 | Ny-Ty | you have ati ? |
| 21:14.52 | Ny-Ty | or nvidia |
| 21:15.05 | Thor[away] | the screen become black |
| 21:15.10 | Thor[away] | nvidia |
| 21:15.31 | Ny-Ty | shit |
| 21:15.34 | Ny-Ty | i dont know nvidia |
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| 21:15.41 | Ny-Ty | :-( |
| 21:15.49 | Thor[away] | thank you =) |
| 21:15.57 | Ny-Ty | you can look |
| 21:15.59 | Eulex | Thor[away], I just checked, and on my system bitmap, ddc, dri (though you probably shouldn't use that one as the nv driver doesn't provide dri), extmod, freetype, glx, int10 and vbe |
| 21:16.01 | Ny-Ty | to the internet |
| 21:16.10 | Eulex | dbe, record and v4l are the ones not checked. |
| 21:16.27 | Ny-Ty | Eulex: if you use first dpkg reconfigure |
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| 21:16.29 | Ny-Ty | and check all |
| 21:16.34 | Ny-Ty | next time will be all checked |
| 21:16.56 | PcDark | whats a quick python script |
| 21:16.59 | Eulex | Ny-Ty, ok. it might be reading my xorg.conf then. |
| 21:17.01 | PcDark | that i can test w/ |
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| 21:17.31 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 21:17.36 | Eulex | Thor[away], you could try removing your xorg.conf before running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then |
| 21:17.49 | krazykit | PcDark: write a quick helloworld.py? |
| 21:18.06 | Thor[away] | Eulex i did it, but all the modules still be checked |
| 21:18.40 | Eulex | Thor[away], ok. the settings you selected might be saved somewhere else. I do not know where, though. |
| 21:18.42 | dazjorz | I want to switch from Apache2 to Lighttpd, by installing both at the same time with lighttpd set to another port and convert the configuration and then uninstalling apache2 |
| 21:18.52 | dazjorz | but I don't think apt will allow me to have both apache and lighttpd installed at the same time |
| 21:19.06 | dazjorz | is there a way to tell apt-get to just do what I told it and not make up things I don't want ? |
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| 21:20.44 | Eulex | dazjorz, you mean a "read mind" mode? |
| 21:21.48 | Eulex | dazjorz, btw, at least here it does work to install both at the same time... |
| 21:21.48 | dazjorz | Eulex: No, a "slave" mode, a "ok, w/e, your responsibility" mode |
| 21:22.18 | dazjorz | Oh :o |
| 21:22.18 | dazjorz | Eulex: Oh, ok |
| 21:22.18 | dazjorz | Same here I just saw |
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| 21:26.59 | Eulex | !popcon |
| 21:27.00 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:30.00 | PcDark | why didn't you people tell me about a2enmod :( |
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| 21:31.29 | williamham | I have taken over a machine for a client which runs shorewall. I have found that /var/log/messages is created as a directory rather than a file.. thus breaking some functions within shorewall. Why would this be happening? How could I fix this? |
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| 21:34.05 | abrotman | raf256: why don't you join both ? |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | PcDark: you didn't ask me! |
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| 21:34.32 | PcDark | abrotman! how do I enable python |
| 21:34.37 | PcDark | mod_python enabling doesn't work |
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| 21:34.53 | PcDark | although, I apt-get'd it and installed |
| 21:34.54 | abrotman | is there an AddType for it .. is the config loaded ? |
| 21:35.00 | PcDark | config loaded? |
| 21:35.07 | cyber_brain_mfkg | i want to know how to remove wrong module from startup?(there's no that module in /etc/modules)!first i need to remove wrong and to load correct and my tv card is working but i have to do that every time i start my ubuntu!help? |
| 21:35.11 | Sakkath | where is apache2 conf file? nothing is in /etc/apache2? |
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| 21:35.17 | abrotman | there should be a config to go with mod_python |
| 21:35.24 | elshaa | hi |
| 21:35.25 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 21:35.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 21:35.59 | PcDark | is there a apt-get'able firewall |
| 21:36.25 | elshaa | either from a user or root prompt, when I launch a graphic app, I have "connection to ":0.0" refused by server". Even running xhost +local makes this error... any idea ? |
| 21:36.36 | mc__ | PcDark: ehm,iptables? |
| 21:37.43 | dondelelcaro | raf256: ? |
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| 21:38.51 | dj-death | hi all |
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| 21:39.20 | dj-death | is there something that do the opposite of 'strip' ? |
| 21:39.44 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: no. |
| 21:39.45 | mnuhmnuh | PcDark: guarddog? |
| 21:39.46 | cyber_brain_mfkg | and if i blacklist a module can i load it on startup useing /etc/modules ???? |
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| 21:42.11 | dj-death | dondelelcaro: I have a stripped binary, and gdb give me address in binary code but in unstripped version, is it possible to know the stripped addresse considering an unstripped one ? |
| 21:43.28 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: if you have the unstripped binary that was used to generate the stripped one, just point gdb at the unstripped binary |
| 21:44.07 | dj-death | I don't |
| 21:44.09 | geo-rge | Hi. I have a new etch install which right now only has base + a few necessary things, and is on one half gig partition. I am about to add some lvm storage for things like /usr, /var, /home... I notice that lvm vols seem to mount and unmount more properly under etch (vgs deactivated before / turns into read-only, etc)... do I need to do anything special in fstab to make this happen for my new vols? |
| 21:44.24 | dj-death | dondelelcaro: that's the problem ;) |
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| 21:44.59 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: then you can't |
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| 21:45.36 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: rebuild the package without stripping it and go from there; if it's a debian package, see if there's a -dbg package with the stripped information from the binary |
| 21:45.54 | geo-rge | dj-death: not unstripped == no included symbol table == no source-level debug |
| 21:45.59 | dj-death | well it's propriotary software |
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| 21:46.08 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: well, then you're screwed. |
| 21:46.15 | dj-death | ok |
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| 21:46.21 | geo-rge | dj-death: is it YOUR proprietary software? |
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| 21:46.28 | dj-death | nop |
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| 21:47.04 | geo-rge | then ask the owner, author or copyright holder. other than that, disassemble... and good luck with that... |
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| 21:47.44 | geo-rge | do you have the source? |
| 21:47.52 | dj-death | of course not |
| 21:48.13 | geo-rge | then are you going to source-level debug? (insert your last answer here) |
| 21:48.35 | dj-death | I tried to disassemble but disassembler give me address in unstripped space |
| 21:48.39 | PcDark | whats the command to find a processes pid |
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| 21:48.48 | dondelelcaro | PcDark: pidof |
| 21:48.58 | {Nathan} | is there a way to use apt-get to remove all packages that use x11? |
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| 21:49.13 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: yes, but there's generally no reason to do so. |
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| 21:49.20 | PcDark | so i do |
| 21:49.23 | PcDark | pidof psybnc |
| 21:49.30 | dj-death | geo-rge: well I'm doing something quite near of "cracking" |
| 21:49.52 | dondelelcaro | PcDark: depending on what you're trying to do, yes. |
| 21:49.54 | geo-rge | dj-death: what are you tracking? |
| 21:50.02 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: On this laptop, I have no mouse. It doesn't click and I'm fine with the terminal. Only have 2.2 gigs of HD space, so I wanna get rid of all the X11 related stuff |
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| 21:50.29 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: if you haven't installed an X server, then you won't have any X related stuff. |
| 21:50.51 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: there generally -is- a reason, it's called: desire to use disk space for something else |
| 21:50.53 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: the most you'll have are the client libraries, like libx11 for things which can use X but don't have to. |
| 21:50.58 | abrotman | {Nathan}: would you rather fix the mouse ? |
| 21:51.10 | dj-death | geo-rge: webots |
| 21:51.11 | {Nathan} | it's a laptop, so I can't fix the mouse |
| 21:51.19 | dj-death | geo-rge: a robot simulator app |
| 21:51.33 | rororo | hallo i want to compile an own kernel like i did with module-assitant and the envidianernel-source (sarge) can anybody tell me how it works |
| 21:51.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell rororo -about kp |
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| 21:51.57 | abrotman | {Nathan}: eh .. why not ? |
| 21:52.00 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: the factoid !pl is pointing to a dead channel. why not point it to ##poland we have 2-5 debian users typically around, vs 0 on debian.pl |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | raf256: that's not a debian related channel though ... |
| 21:52.20 | hesco | perlmonk earlier advised me to build a test environment to test an upgrade we want to make to a production server |
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| 21:52.33 | geordie | {Nathan}: you could use dselect |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | raf256: have them all join #debian.pl! |
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| 21:52.42 | raf256 | abrotman: well I can even add debian stuff to topic and in future to the bot |
| 21:52.44 | geo-rge | rororo: there is a package called kernel-package, described by a message you just received from dpkg... what it does is take a kernel source you just configured and do all the compile steps then package the result |
| 21:52.47 | hesco | Can anyone here advise how to rpelicate most easily a production server for this purpose? |
| 21:52.55 | abrotman | raf256: but why not just sit in #debian.pl |
| 21:52.55 | {Nathan} | geordie: what does that do? |
| 21:53.00 | hesco | s/rpelicate/replicate/ |
| 21:53.06 | raf256 | abrotman: instread having milion small channel its better to have us in one place |
| 21:53.16 | abrotman | !tell hesco about debian clone |
| 21:53.19 | Kurtism | http://poststuff5.entensity.net/010507/media.php?media=spiderdrugs.wmv |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | raf256: so you can all go to #debian.pl then :) |
| 21:53.30 | geordie | {Nathan}: it's a curses-based package manager |
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| 21:53.39 | {Nathan} | geordie: ok, thanks |
| 21:53.54 | geo-rge | raf256: that used to be the case when #debian had like 20 people |
| 21:53.56 | raf256 | abrotman: and invite polish ubuntu users, polish c++ users, polish php users to debian.pl? or create gazilion small channels? |
| 21:54.01 | Acu | is any easy GUI to configure a dual head (one Matrox and one Nvidia VGA card) - I did it before but now I forgot about the details of configuring x-org and I just cannot make it work - |
| 21:54.22 | geo-rge | now, it maxes at around 800, and thankfully not all talk at once |
| 21:54.24 | abrotman | raf256: there are 45 people in #ubuntu-pl |
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| 21:54.45 | geordie | {Nathan}: check out ratpoison - it's a X window manager that doesn't require a mouse |
| 21:55.07 | hesco | abortman: can you please say more about debian clone? |
| 21:55.08 | dondelelcaro | Acu: there's no need for a GUI to do that; there are many examples of how to set up the X configuration to do that on google. |
| 21:55.11 | {Nathan} | geordie: really? thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 21:55.25 | Acu | It would have been so cool just to right click and choose dualhead - .... |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | hesco: you can use it to replicate the packages that are installed .. but you'll have to do a bit more legwork to replicate the actual setup |
| 21:55.56 | hesco | is it a package in debian? |
| 21:56.00 | geo-rge | hesco: he might if you were more specific than "zero information" about what you want to know |
| 21:56.07 | Acu | dondelelcaro: I know, is just anoying that every time I need to make a dualhead I have to reinvent the universe then troubleshoot it... |
| 21:56.08 | dj-death | is there some asm -> hexadecimal convertor for x86 ? |
| 21:56.26 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: that's called a compiler. |
| 21:56.32 | abrotman | hesco: it's a set of commands you run |
| 21:56.37 | dondelelcaro | (or an assembler) |
| 21:56.38 | geordie | {Nathan}: also you could get a cheap usb mouse for when you absolutely can't do without it |
| 21:56.43 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: well yes, assembler :) |
| 21:56.57 | dondelelcaro | Acu: there's no need to do that. It's all available online. |
| 21:57.02 | {Nathan} | geordie: but then that defeats the purpose of a laptop |
| 21:57.06 | Acu | dondelelcaro: I meant I did google - I hoped there is a easier way to do it (in Microsoft it took me 15 seconds to have a triple head) |
| 21:57.26 | dondelelcaro | Acu: there will be an easier way if you write it |
| 21:57.38 | geo-rge | hesco: let's see what you saw from dpkg... |
| 21:57.39 | dj-death | dondelelcaro: but I dont want elf format, I just want basic hexadecimal code corresponding to asm code I have |
| 21:57.54 | {Nathan} | geordie: also, this laptop is 133mhz. so old it doesn't have USB |
| 21:58.01 | Acu | dondelelcaro: yes, if you reinvent the univers you might trouble shoot it easier |
| 21:58.08 | hesco | abortman: I assume you refer to the freshmeat project? |
| 21:58.13 | geo-rge | !tell me about ian clone |
| 21:58.30 | dondelelcaro | dj-death: ELF has nothing to do with turning ASM into machine code. |
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| 21:58.39 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 21:58.39 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 21:58.41 | dj-death | ok nice ;) |
| 21:58.56 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 21:58.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 21:58.57 | geordie | {Nathan}: i hear you. i first installed debian in '99, on a 486 laptop with 4 megs of ram and a 125 meg hdd. no room or need for X... |
| 21:59.02 | geo-rge | so hari_ is a bot here too now? |
| 21:59.20 | hesco | btw, I find that I can't msg folks back b/c I'm not registered. How does one register? |
| 21:59.21 | Acu | dondelelcaro: you mean a GUI to do that ? - I am not as smart, so I have to compensate with time - which is even less than smarttness (if there is such word) |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | !tell me about ian clone |
| 21:59.35 | abrotman | hari_: could you turn that off? |
| 21:59.38 | {Nathan} | geordie: I got 32 megs of ram. |
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| 21:59.52 | abrotman | bokey: turn off your bot please |
| 21:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Acu: well, if you're asking for it and aren't willing to do it yourself, don't expect anyone else to do it for you. |
| 21:59.58 | geo-rge | hesco: /help newusers |
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| 22:00.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: hari_ is bokey's bot and also answering to ! |
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| 22:00.35 | cahoot | Acu: as with ms - pay for the service |
| 22:00.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 22:00.56 | Acu | dondelelcaro: did you try to install EMBOSS 4.0 (and JEMBOSS) ? I cannot install it properly in Debian Etch - I am using a repository from Bio-linux (which has only EMBOSS 3.0) |
| 22:00.57 | Ny-Ty | what is the best chipset for amd ? |
| 22:01.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do your classes still conflict with DC7 ? |
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| 22:01.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's not the classes, it's finals that kind of do; but I'm not TAing that quarter |
| 22:01.33 | cyber_brain_mfkg | how to setup that tvtime use linein as sound source? |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. the finals are part of the classes :) |
| 22:01.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: so you might be able to go ? |
| 22:02.09 | geo-rge | ooh :) pressure |
| 22:02.09 | h3sp4wn | Ny-Ty: NOT nforce 5?0 |
| 22:02.25 | Sakkath | where is apache2 conf file? nothing is in /etc/apache2? |
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| 22:03.20 | Sakkath | nevermind, found /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf |
| 22:03.24 | capiira | hmmm is iceweasel not out? |
| 22:03.25 | geo-rge | I'll be somewhat more specific there... what's the best amd64 chipset/motherboard ("best" includes at least compatibility for linux) |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | geo-rge: probably better to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 22:03.41 | geordie | {Nathan}: dillo is a great graphical browser for systems. it does need the mouse, but you could get a serial, your objections notwithstanding. |
| 22:03.43 | abrotman | capiira: it is |
| 22:03.47 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah; I have to submit a talk I think... haven't had a chance to do so yet |
| 22:03.49 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 22:03.52 | geordie | {Nathan}: for old systems that is |
| 22:03.54 | blondie | geo-rge: depends what else you want :P |
| 22:03.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you think? :) |
| 22:04.06 | {Nathan} | geordie: I would, but all I really need X11 for is web browsing. |
| 22:04.08 | geordie | {Nathan}: jeez, i mean a serial mouse. |
| 22:04.22 | geo-rge | blondie: probably win2k or so, and some games |
| 22:04.24 | geordie | {Nathan}: dillo is a web browser |
| 22:04.27 | abrotman | isn't there links2 -g or something ? |
| 22:04.29 | capiira | but i cant find it in my repositories and i have main contrib and non-free |
| 22:04.32 | {Nathan} | geordie: I'm about to try out ratpoison |
| 22:04.39 | geo-rge | or macosx |
| 22:04.40 | abrotman | capiira: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 22:04.41 | h3sp4wn | geo-rge: apic is broken on nforce 550 570 and 590 - nforce 4 is supposed to work properly now |
| 22:04.43 | {Nathan} | geordie: OK, I'll try out dillo too. |
| 22:04.45 | capiira | etch testing |
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| 22:04.52 | rororo | geo-rge: okay but where i get this kernel-packe i need(medusa headset or audigy2zs)? |
| 22:05.03 | Acu | OK - another question - did anyone try Turion 64 Vs Turion 64X2 ? - There is an offer for a Gateway laptop at Bestbuy with $544 (AMD Turion - 512 DRAM - 80 GB Hdd - and DVD RW - 15.4 Screen) - I wondered if it is worth to pay more 150$ for a Turion X2 - in Linux contest |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | capiira: you don't have iceweasel yet .. just icedove |
| 22:05.13 | geo-rge | rororo: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 22:05.22 | capiira | ahhh ok and who can have iceweasel ? |
| 22:05.23 | cusco | how is it that I redirect syslog messages popping on my console... to other consoles? like tty1 so it doesn't show in current console...? |
| 22:05.27 | geo-rge | then, make-kpkg --targets |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | capiira: not you .. yet |
| 22:05.31 | geo-rge | and man make-kpkg |
| 22:05.37 | capiira | but why? |
| 22:05.43 | geo-rge | and look in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 22:05.47 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 22:05.48 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 22:06.01 | abrotman | capiira: it has RC bugs apparently |
| 22:06.06 | geo-rge | and read all referenced docs in the message you got |
| 22:06.15 | capiira | ahh ok thanks a lot |
| 22:06.27 | geo-rge | and read (your kernel source)/Documentation/changes |
| 22:06.33 | geo-rge | and read (your kernel source)/Documentation/README |
| 22:06.43 | rororo | geo-rge: okay thank u |
| 22:07.23 | geo-rge | but if you have your .config already, just run it |
| 22:07.39 | geordie | {Nathan}: i used a pentium one with 40MB ram for a few years - ran X with ratpoison, used dillo then phoenix (aka firefox) with no problems. at the time phoenix was the most resource-economical tabbed browser. |
| 22:08.06 | geo-rge | you -should- read all that stuff if you haven't already... if you do that, there will be less questions you will have to ask |
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| 22:08.53 | geordie | {Nathan}: i like ratpoison a lot - i run it on my g4 powerbook |
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| 22:09.14 | geordie | it's like gnu screen |
| 22:09.40 | shastry | cya! |
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| 22:10.18 | geo-rge | another thing that's like screen is to run an x server on a remote, and give it -query some.server.running.xdm.or.gdm.com |
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| 22:11.22 | geo-rge | (but default debian configuration is to ignore xdmcp-over-tcp, so you'd have to change that on some.server.running.xdm.or.gdm.com) |
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| 22:12.13 | {Nathan} | How do I open a windows in ratpoison? Can you give me either the help key or something to start me out? |
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| 22:12.55 | abrotman | at least blackbox is intuitive :) |
| 22:13.21 | DerJamster | Yay openbox. |
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| 22:14.13 | geo-rge | {Nathan}: one thing to realize is that X is actually a client/server architecture (man X for some of the details, but...) which means for one thing, that you can run a program on a remote machine that opens windows, listens to mouse and keyboard on -your- machine |
| 22:14.43 | geordie | a{Nathan}: /join #ratpoison. C-t c opens an xterm. C-t ! lets you run a program, but i prefer to start an xterm then screen and start all my programs from there. |
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| 22:15.00 | {Nathan} | geordie: OK, thanks. |
| 22:15.12 | Sakkath | Is there a apache2 howto somewhere |
| 22:15.23 | gcb | hello everyone. i'm wondering why apt/dpkg stores it's log in debian |
| 22:15.23 | {Nathan} | geordie: I found a list of commands on the gentoo http://www.freebasic.net/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=FBWiki |
| 22:15.25 | LeandroBR | aptget install :D |
| 22:15.30 | geo-rge | geordie: what might be interesting for you is to look into .xsession |
| 22:15.34 | Sakkath | There are too many dirs: /etc/httpd-2.2.3, /etc/apache2, /usr/local/apache2 |
| 22:15.38 | Sakkath | and apache too |
| 22:15.39 | Sakkath | O_O |
| 22:15.48 | gcb | :s/why/where |
| 22:15.49 | geo-rge | Sakkath: www.apache.org? |
| 22:16.15 | geo-rge | gcb: because it's good to log things |
| 22:16.24 | geo-rge | oh, where? /var/log for one |
| 22:16.45 | gcb | geo-rge: tried /var/log/dpkg.log, none |
| 22:16.47 | abrotman | Sakkath: /usr/local/apache2/ is something you made |
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| 22:17.34 | geo-rge | Sakkath: did you build apache2 yourself? if so... the docs are all there in the source dir |
| 22:17.35 | Sakkath | george: Not here. |
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| 22:17.58 | geo-rge | Sakkath: then you didn't look deeply enough |
| 22:18.07 | geo-rge | (hows THAT for socratic? :) |
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| 22:18.32 | gcb | lol |
| 22:18.42 | Sakkath | abrotman: maybe the owner of this dedi |
| 22:18.45 | daft | How can i make debian load it self compleatly in ram and dosnt touch the hard disk? |
| 22:19.00 | Sakkath | geo-rge: well can i rm -rf ALL those dirs i talked about apt-get remove apache2 then apt-get install apaceh2? |
| 22:19.03 | geo-rge | daft: run a live cd |
| 22:19.33 | abrotman | Sakkath: you can .. but you might want to make sure you backup all the conf files .. or something similar .. you could severely affect any working apapche installations |
| 22:19.36 | geo-rge | Sakkath: sure... but: if you're sharing this machine with someone, talk to them first |
| 22:19.55 | Sakkath | geo-rge: well he was trying to get stuff working and had no clue, it's a brand new dedi, and is paying me to do it all |
| 22:20.06 | Sakkath | abrotman: yeah good idea, but there aren't any custom confs are anything right now, it's new :D |
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| 22:20.12 | geo-rge | something you said suggests you are sharing... I could be wrong |
| 22:20.28 | abrotman | Sakkath: okay |
| 22:20.34 | daft | no I dont want to run a live cd. I want my laptop to run a small linux so that i can roam around with it |
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| 22:21.09 | Sakkath | geo-rge: well not really, it's his new dedi he got, and he was having issues gettin LAMP set up said he'd pay me to do it all, there aren't any custom confs or anything right now so i wont loose a thing :) |
| 22:21.12 | Sakkath | Is there any way to get php5 without changing my distro (sarge)? |
| 22:21.13 | tuxedup | There is a xorg via package available in the repos and it says it supports the cle266, is this with 2d accel, or does it include both 2d and 3d? or amm I better going with openchrome and doing it my self? |
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| 22:21.41 | abrotman | it's pretty easy ... |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | tuxedup: check the man page for the driver |
| 22:21.56 | geo-rge | daft: by default debian doesn't really do that... but at one time, one of many experiments aboard one of those space shuttles ran an old debian on a silicon disk |
| 22:22.09 | geo-rge | no moving parts |
| 22:22.19 | geo-rge | so vibration didn't affect it |
| 22:22.43 | daft | I know debian dosnt use it. I still have potato floppies around here some where. |
| 22:22.57 | daft | i ask if it can |
| 22:22.59 | setog3 | somebody can give me an easy way to move /var to another partition without going in runlevel 1 on a production server ? |
| 22:23.08 | geo-rge | I had lays potato floppies last night |
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| 22:23.16 | geo-rge | too wet |
| 22:23.16 | Sakkath | hm /etc/php-5.2.0 exists for some reason, the other guy must have tryied doing it manually |
| 22:23.20 | geo-rge | too floppy |
| 22:23.37 | abrotman | Sakkath: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:23.44 | blondie | geo-rge: sounds rdude |
| 22:23.45 | blondie | -d |
| 22:23.49 | geo-rge | dude! |
| 22:23.56 | Sakkath | abrotman: how is that gonna help me? :P |
| 22:23.59 | geo-rge | oh, rude? |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | Sakkath: it's going to help up |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | us |
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| 22:24.13 | Sakkath | abrotman: k: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:24.27 | abrotman | Sakkath: does the guy need php5? |
| 22:24.36 | unlink | what docs should i read for setting up debian to print to printers connected to windows machines? |
| 22:24.39 | Sakkath | abrotman: uh well it's preferred :) |
| 22:24.47 | abrotman | Sakkath: that's nice .. does he need it ? :) |
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| 22:24.50 | Sakkath | abrotman: he's used to php5 |
| 22:25.02 | abrotman | !tell Sakkath about bpo |
| 22:25.03 | geo-rge | Sakkath: if you're sicco about your questions, more people will be able to help you without getting really frustrated |
| 22:25.19 | Sakkath | abrotman: we see no reason of using php4 when php5 has been out for so long, could you help me get it? |
| 22:25.21 | abrotman | Sakkath: otherwise .. apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server .. enjoy |
| 22:25.24 | Sakkath | 'sicco' |
| 22:25.25 | Sakkath | ? |
| 22:25.29 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 22:25.30 | dpkg_ | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 22:25.30 | abrotman | Sakkath: because php5 isn't in sarge |
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| 22:25.37 | Sakkath | lol someone in the other room just said 'lamp' |
| 22:25.59 | Sakkath | abrotman: i know this, and i would like to have it, as i said :( |
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| 22:26.02 | abrotman | Sakkath: sarge was released before php5 was deemed stable (even by the php people) |
| 22:26.06 | abrotman | !tell Sakkath about bpo |
| 22:26.07 | {Nathan} | Is there any software that allows me to click via the keyboard while I am in X11? I can move the mouse around, just not click anywhere. |
| 22:26.17 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:26.18 | dpkg_ | que tal, abrotman |
| 22:26.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | !tell Sakkath about backports |
| 22:26.33 | Sakkath | ? |
| 22:26.44 | abrotman | dpkg_: tell Sakkath about bpo |
| 22:26.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:26.51 | Sakkath | lol |
| 22:26.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sakkath about bpo |
| 22:26.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg_ isn't dpkg anymore |
| 22:26.59 | geo-rge | dpkg is here too it seems |
| 22:27.10 | Sakkath | >.< |
| 22:27.10 | Sakkath | lol |
| 22:27.26 | abrotman | Sakkath: go to backports.org .. read the instructions .. install php5 |
| 22:27.38 | Sakkath | abrotman: yeah i just found it on google as soon as you said that, thanks :D |
| 22:27.45 | plediii | how can I have no problems with sound, and alsamixer works great, but alsaconf complains it can't find a supported sound card? |
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| 22:28.05 | abrotman | because OSS is being used ? |
| 22:28.16 | geo-rge | Sakkath: how can I say this without seeming like a troll... ok, you should compare what you're using against other technologies; you might find better things than, for example, php and mysql |
| 22:28.29 | plediii | abrotman: it isn't compiled into my kernel nor modules, could that still be the case? |
| 22:28.58 | abrotman | plediii: lsmod .. see what modules are loaded |
| 22:29.07 | abrotman | geo-rge: like php and pgsql! |
| 22:29.19 | Sakkath | geo-rge: you don't sound like a troll, thanks for the suggestion but i like LAMP ;D, and it's very popular, owner intends on selling some hosting w/it, and having LAMP be in the common interest :) |
| 22:29.35 | geo-rge | some folks (at least one: me) will not learn about either of those, preferring perl or python or tcl, and postgres for the database |
| 22:30.16 | geo-rge | Sakkath: you might google for both of these: mysql gotchas, postgresql gotchas |
| 22:30.22 | Sakkath | geo-rge: postgres is very different compared to mysql, it'd be a weird switch for a lot of people |
| 22:30.25 | geo-rge | there might even be oracle gotchas |
| 22:30.34 | Suprano | !tell Suprano publickey |
| 22:31.45 | Suprano | hmm help my out people, what was the cmd to ask dpkg for the cmds for the NO_PUBLIC KEY problem in apt-get update ? |
| 22:31.57 | plediii | abrotman: there are no sound related modules loaded |
| 22:32.07 | geo-rge | Sakkath: oh, are we talking about this? ok, mysql -is- progressing... don't get me wrong... but postgresql is wayyy ahead, especially in the area of keeping the data stable (that is, allowing database designers to build in checks and constraints meant to prevent any corruption to the data) |
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| 22:32.27 | abrotman | plediii: paste the output of lsmod and lspci |
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| 22:32.31 | geo-rge | having said all that... |
| 22:32.33 | geo-rge | ok :) |
| 22:33.12 | geo-rge | plediii: but not to the channel, maybe to rafb.net/paste |
| 22:33.43 | plediii | thanks geo-rge |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | !phillysmite freakazoid0224 |
| 22:34.13 | Sakkath | geo-rge: people become (myself and the owner) accostumed to what they use most, MySQL is very popular so most people will prolly learn that, just like myself, and grow accustomed to it, just like MOST people use Windows, that's why when you go to a store to buy a PC it comes with windows, not Linux (dont' get me wrong i'm not saying buying a Linux installed PC isn't impossible) I'm just generalizing |
| 22:34.40 | Sakkath | geo-rge: so if a computer company stopped selling their computers with windows they might not get as many purchases, if you follow me |
| 22:34.57 | plediii | http://rafb.net/p/sWgZJ940.html |
| 22:35.10 | plediii | abrotman: lsmod output: http://rafb.net/p/sWgZJ940.html |
| 22:35.15 | zenwryly | Hmm, aptitude reports "E: failed to fetch" and "404 not found" when apt-get works just fine. Any ideas? |
| 22:35.15 | Sakkath | geo-rge: As for personal use, due to your recomendations, yes, I might take up learning PostgreSQL, but I don't know, I don't have much free time, but I'll definately consider it. |
| 22:35.32 | abrotman | plediii: and lspci ? |
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| 22:35.55 | abrotman | plediii: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 22:36.05 | plediii | abrotman: yea |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | plediii: so that's why there aren't any modules ? |
| 22:36.26 | abrotman | plediii: does your sound work with a debian kernel ? |
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| 22:37.36 | plediii | That's probably why there aren't any modules |
| 22:37.49 | plediii | my sound does work, it's just that alsaconf complains |
| 22:37.54 | bkw | Where can I findout what hardware is supported in the lastest debian stable kernel? |
| 22:38.01 | geo-rge | Sakkath: something you might consider looking into is openacs |
| 22:38.15 | hesco | Thanks everyone who piped up to inform me about the clone-debian process. That all looks very useful to get the process started. |
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| 22:38.17 | truenicoco | is it possible to use s2disk with a non laptop computer ? |
| 22:38.23 | plediii | I'm listiening to music right now, and alsamixer works, but alsaconf complains that it can't find a supported card |
| 22:38.28 | geo-rge | bkw: probably someone has its .config |
| 22:38.32 | linlin | I need to install Java 5.0 (1.5) |
| 22:38.35 | linlin | how do i do this? |
| 22:38.43 | abrotman | !tell linlin about java package |
| 22:38.48 | abrotman | gah .. no bot |
| 22:38.59 | Suprano | is debian.org down ? |
| 22:39.04 | abrotman | !info java-package etch |
| 22:39.07 | Suprano | i can't resolv the ip |
| 22:39.11 | dpkg_ | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.28 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
| 22:39.12 | plediii | it's giving me a hemorrhage |
| 22:39.15 | geo-rge | works for me |
| 22:39.22 | bkw | geo-rge: but .config doesn't describe the hw well... right? |
| 22:39.26 | abrotman | me too |
| 22:39.29 | geo-rge | plediii: better see someone about that :P |
| 22:39.33 | linlin | ok and whata about the SDK ? |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | linlin: same thing |
| 22:39.45 | linlin | ok |
| 22:39.49 | geo-rge | bkw: it tells you exactly what drivers are included |
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| 22:40.01 | geo-rge | you have to interpret the data :P |
| 22:40.24 | linlin | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 22:40.50 | linlin | deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 22:40.50 | linlin | deb-src ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 22:40.50 | linlin | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 22:40.53 | geo-rge | linlin: what OS are you running? what version? |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | linlin: it's in contrib |
| 22:41.00 | linlin | those are my sources.list |
| 22:41.05 | linlin | ok |
| 22:41.06 | unlink | what's the preferred vnc client for GNOME on debian? |
| 22:41.06 | x_link | Hi guys |
| 22:41.09 | x_link | I could need some help. |
| 22:41.10 | geo-rge | linlin: rafb.net/paste |
| 22:41.24 | linlin | ok sorry |
| 22:41.25 | x_link | It takes like 4 sec for my prompt to come up when I open my konsole. |
| 22:41.30 | linlin | how do i add contrib? |
| 22:41.35 | x_link | What could be causing this? It has never been like this before. |
| 22:41.38 | abrotman | linlin: add it after 'main' |
| 22:41.47 | geo-rge | deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 22:41.52 | rahul | unlink: what does vnc have to do with gnome? |
| 22:42.00 | Sakkath | abrotman: what's the php5 package name i need, just 'libapache2-mod-php5' 'php5-mysql' 'php5-cli'? |
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| 22:42.10 | abrotman | first two |
| 22:42.23 | abrotman | linlin: though .. the java package from sarge doesn't have java5 support iirc |
| 22:42.24 | Sakkath | abrotman: ignore that hold on, didn't see 'Packages' on the left side of the site |
| 22:42.25 | rahul | unlink: you run gnome on the remote display, not from vnc |
| 22:42.33 | unlink | rahul: the vnc client will be written in a GUI toolkit |
| 22:42.42 | rahul | unlink: why? |
| 22:42.43 | geo-rge | Sakkath: first one... after that, you have to determine your specific requirements |
| 22:42.53 | rahul | unlink: it just draws the screen to your screen |
| 22:43.03 | geo-rge | unlink: no. gnome has NOTHING to do with vnc |
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| 22:43.09 | rahul | unlink: no widgets or anything needed |
| 22:43.31 | rahul | it's like asking for a gnome version of quake or something |
| 22:43.45 | geo-rge | heyyy, where would THAT be? |
| 22:43.48 | unlink | uh, no. |
| 22:43.52 | rahul | uh, yes. |
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| 22:44.01 | unlink | a vnc client could be written that integrates with nautilus, for example. |
| 22:44.08 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 22:44.10 | rahul | what does nautilus have to do with vnc? |
| 22:44.15 | geo-rge | unlink: yes. key words: COULD BE |
| 22:44.18 | rahul | it's pixels. |
| 22:44.26 | unlink | geo-rge: key words: IS THERE |
| 22:44.32 | geo-rge | google |
| 22:44.40 | unlink | geo-rge: get a life, IRC isn't the place to be angry at people. |
| 22:44.50 | unlink | geo-rge: even though you can't see them. |
| 22:44.51 | geo-rge | I'm not angry |
| 22:45.01 | geo-rge | you seem to be tho |
| 22:45.01 | zenwryly | Is there an issue for using synaptic and aptitude in parallel? |
| 22:45.13 | rahul | zenwryly: yes. use one at a time. |
| 22:45.14 | geo-rge | bugs.debian.org for issues |
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| 22:45.23 | unlink | geo-rge: i'm sorry, you must be unfamiliar with netiquette. |
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| 22:45.33 | rahul | zenwryly: you shouldn't be mangling your package db with two apps at once |
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| 22:45.54 | rahul | ah, the typical behavior of an ignoramus |
| 22:46.12 | zenwryly | rahul: I mean if I use aptitude one day to install a package and synaptice to install a package another day, does the intelligent dependency resolution and upgrade stuff for each still work |
| 22:46.17 | geo-rge | unlink: and you're definitely unfamiliar with smart questions, but I digress... howbout this: write one |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | zenwryly: if they don't keep the same DB |
| 22:46.27 | rahul | zenwryly: oh, dunno. it should work, I'd think |
| 22:46.40 | rahul | zenwryly: I've never used synaptic, tho :) |
| 22:47.11 | unlink | rahul: nautilus has to do with vnc in the same way that nautilus has to do with abstracting remote connections |
| 22:47.17 | rahul | wtf? |
| 22:47.20 | abrotman | not really |
| 22:47.23 | rahul | unlink: are you on drugs? |
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| 22:47.35 | rahul | nautilus doesn't abstract remote connections |
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| 22:47.36 | abrotman | nautilus is a file browser mostly .. vnc is not files :) |
| 22:47.39 | unlink | rahul: i'm sorry, i'm through trying to have a mature conversation with your |
| 22:47.42 | unlink | s/your/you |
| 22:47.44 | geo-rge | I'm not sure here, but you also seem unfamiliar with how x works if you (like some others) are always looking for the -gnome- version of everything... |
| 22:47.55 | rahul | unlink: how does nautilus abstract over snmp connections? |
| 22:48.01 | rahul | unlink: what about ntp connections? |
| 22:48.02 | zenwryly | abrotman: yeah, I guess I don't know how to find out if they keep the same DB |
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| 22:48.13 | abrotman | zenwryly: read the docs ? |
| 22:48.27 | zenwryly | abrotman: yup, been trying :) |
| 22:48.36 | unlink | abrotman: true |
| 22:48.46 | Thor[away] | i will isntall debian sarge(stable) in my notebook... is better if i boot with linux26 to install with kernel 2.6 or is better with kernel 2.4? |
| 22:49.04 | abrotman | linux26 IMO |
| 22:49.13 | Thor[away] | IMO? |
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| 22:49.34 | Thor[away] | what does IMO means? |
| 22:49.38 | abrotman | In my opinion |
| 22:49.42 | ax7` | that's a secret |
| 22:49.44 | pickcoder | Thor[away]: linux26 unless you need a specific 2.4 module to work a piece of hardware |
| 22:49.46 | Thor[away] | haha |
| 22:49.56 | Thor[away] | ok... i will boot with linux26 |
| 22:49.58 | Thor[away] | ty |
| 22:50.12 | geo-rge | Thor[away]: "in my opinion" (google for jargon file)... but if I were you, I'd try both and see if one works where the other doesn't |
| 22:50.38 | geo-rge | ax7`: nonoNO,,, that's a secret is tas |
| 22:51.02 | Thor[away] | i installed etch in my notebook, but some things were very unstable... nefore i try to fix, i will install the stable version |
| 22:51.14 | Thor[away] | s/nefore/before |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | apparently the real secret is SDNWOTN |
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| 22:51.38 | geo-rge | apparently the real secret is ATRSI |
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| 22:51.46 | unlink | abrotman: vim has little to do with gnome, but a vim-gnome package is offered which links against libgnomeui2 |
| 22:52.00 | unlink | but either there is one, or one hasn't yet been written |
| 22:52.01 | rahul | TIMTOWTDIBYDWTKAOT |
| 22:52.02 | abrotman | unlink: please try not to confuse the issue |
| 22:52.09 | Thor[away] | another secret is fdp |
| 22:52.12 | rahul | unlink: bzzt! |
| 22:52.23 | rahul | unlink: vim has menus |
| 22:52.29 | rahul | at least last I used it |
| 22:52.33 | unlink | abrotman: ? |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | unlink: you want vnc .. don't start talking about vim |
| 22:52.55 | rahul | hmm, wtf is a skraeling |
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| 22:53.30 | unlink | abrotman: what i presented was in the form of an analogy |
| 22:53.40 | rahul | a flawed analogy. |
| 22:53.50 | geo-rge | unlink: true enough... but look, if every piece of free software on the planet is ported from x to gnome and to kde and to fvwm and to sawfish and to ... we'd have so much bloat and that bloat would consist of unnecessary copies of things that -already- work the way they are |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | unlink: i have no idea what you're trying to prove to me .. but i really don't care .. nautilus has zilch to do with VNC |
| 22:54.05 | rahul | ah, icelandic for barbarian |
| 22:54.22 | unlink | abrotman: again, nautilus was tangential |
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| 22:54.37 | unlink | geo-rge: bloat in the form of makefile diffs? |
| 22:54.38 | geo-rge | unlink: so why are you going off on tangents? :) |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | unlink: okay .. you're still not helping your case |
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| 22:54.58 | geo-rge | unlink: well, yes, but also in the form of existing binaries |
| 22:55.07 | Suprano | could s.o. paste me a random nameserver, it seems that mine refuses to resolv debian.org |
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| 22:55.26 | abrotman | Suprano: google for one ... |
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| 22:55.45 | Suprano | or could s.o. test if resolving debian.org org works with 217.146.139.5 |
| 22:55.45 | alvgaro | !LIST |
| 22:55.46 | dpkg_ | one warez list being sent to alvgaro |
| 22:55.48 | n3kl | Hi. I am looking into clustering software that I could install on a server farm. I have looked at mosix. Is there something more debianish that I could look into as well? |
| 22:55.49 | geo-rge | Suprano: run your own too |
| 22:56.05 | alvgaro | SWRJLÑHAWUIOEGTR |
| 22:56.11 | alvgaro | AWETYAUKWTRKAJWHELRJHAWLEUKRALWEKGR,AJWBFLAWGTRL4ELJASDLF WEGROGAWDBSJGFO+Ç |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:56.12 | dpkg_ | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | Suprano: it's not answering |
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| 22:56.32 | jatt | uh? |
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| 22:57.20 | geo-rge | Suprano: apt-get install bind, then use 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf (one way) |
| 22:57.31 | geo-rge | ee? |
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| 22:58.49 | JosefK | could somebody point me to some docs on setting up an NTP client? |
| 22:59.05 | rahul | JosefK: apt-get install ntpd |
| 22:59.12 | rahul | what docs would you need? |
| 22:59.15 | geo-rge | JosefK: -------------------------------------> apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 22:59.18 | rahul | the defaults are mostly fine |
| 22:59.19 | ofer0 | JosefK, aptitude install ntpdate; ntpadte |
| 22:59.23 | ofer0 | ntpdate* |
| 22:59.34 | ofer0 | yeah, you can run ntpdate via cron, or just use ntpd |
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| 22:59.39 | JosefK | thanks rahul, just planning in advance really, wasn't sure if ntp-simple was what I needed |
| 22:59.44 | geo-rge | ofer0: that's a client of a different color :) |
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| 23:00.10 | pickcoder | ntpdate should only be used for shifting the clock by large amounts |
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| 23:00.27 | pickcoder | ntpd should be run all the time to keep the time sync'd |
| 23:00.32 | geo-rge | isn't ntp-simple the one that applies a simple client setup involving ntpd? |
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| 23:00.49 | JosefK | ntp-simple's a transitional package apparantly |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | you don't need ntpd |
| 23:01.03 | pickcoder | abrotman: eh? |
| 23:01.06 | geo-rge | pickcoder: well that will be less annoying over a not-dialup of course |
| 23:01.17 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can sync your time with just a client |
| 23:01.31 | pickcoder | abrotman: yes.. you can |
| 23:02.05 | pickcoder | you can also keep it current with a daemon |
| 23:02.09 | JosefK | hehe, and these kind of questions is why I asked here about it :) |
| 23:02.26 | JosefK | the manpage for ntpdate recommended using ntpd, so I'm looking to set it up now |
| 23:02.26 | pickcoder | ntpd doesn't like huge time shifts, in my experience |
| 23:02.29 | pickcoder | though |
| 23:02.34 | abrotman | you can slew it |
| 23:02.37 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:02.53 | geo-rge | pickcoder: very true, so I usually install both ntpdate and ntpd |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | !penixsmite pickcoder |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | not fair! |
| 23:03.10 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:03.15 | geo-rge | boffy the slewer |
| 23:03.27 | abrotman | dpkg_: you suck |
| 23:03.32 | geo-rge | yue slue vampires? |
| 23:03.39 | pickcoder | !botabuse |
| 23:03.39 | dpkg_ | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | hrm .. avalanche in CO |
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| 23:04.05 | geo-rge | dpkg: learn something from GumbyBRAIN |
| 23:04.08 | JosefK | thanks guys, got it setup and working now |
| 23:04.08 | pickcoder | snow, rocks, or frozen skiiers? |
| 23:04.26 | Ny-Ty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeoXS3yFkJ8 |
| 23:04.26 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 23:04.49 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: wrong channel |
| 23:04.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: snow .. and cars |
| 23:05.00 | pickcoder | ick |
| 23:05.00 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 23:05.01 | dpkg_ | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:05.05 | rahul | it's a strike, not a smite. |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 23:05.35 | geo-rge | a smite is a strike, but not all strikes are smites! |
| 23:05.45 | Ny-Ty | look on it :-) |
| 23:05.58 | raf256 | !smitesmite abrotman |
| 23:06.04 | geo-rge | I'd rather search on youtube for Gary Willis |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | what a horrible smite |
| 23:06.14 | raf256 | uh, a rare occassion for: |
| 23:06.19 | raf256 | !smite dpkg_ |
| 23:06.26 | streuner | Ny-Ty: i think this user has with any other OS problems ;-) |
| 23:07.04 | raf256 | anyone here have time for a 15 minute linux poll? |
| 23:07.06 | geo-rge | ESENTENCE |
| 23:07.28 | pickcoder | what could possibly take 15 mins? |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | raf256: stop spamming |
| 23:07.36 | streuner | abrotman: well, we'll *miss* 'mhallsmite' ;-) |
| 23:07.51 | rahul | heh |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | streuner: darn politeness police :) |
| 23:07.56 | raf256 | abrotman: why exacly again? |
| 23:08.02 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:08.05 | geo-rge | !polls |
| 23:08.05 | dpkg_ | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:08.09 | raf256 | hard to call it spamming, it is OS and have even relation to linux |
| 23:08.12 | raf256 | *debian |
| 23:08.19 | pickcoder | badgers rock |
| 23:08.26 | raf256 | geo-rge: bah, this is not that kind of poll |
| 23:08.33 | Ny-Ty | :-0 |
| 23:08.33 | streuner | productivity is more important than fun, nowadays ;-) |
| 23:08.34 | Ny-Ty | so |
| 23:08.36 | Ny-Ty | fun must be |
| 23:08.38 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 23:08.39 | raf256 | pickcoder: well want the url? |
| 23:08.45 | geo-rge | !bad polls |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg_ | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
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| 23:09.01 | raf256 | geo-rge: you are still refering to the IRC polls, not to the www polls. |
| 23:09.31 | geo-rge | where does the data go? what does it get used for? |
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| 23:11.25 | geo-rge | if you're not open to specifying that, it's spam |
| 23:11.37 | blackelf | geo-rge: all the data will be presented on poll www site |
| 23:11.38 | bkw | are there debian kernel image packages for -smp hosts just as the uni-cores? |
| 23:11.50 | abrotman | blackelf: stop changing nicks already |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | bkw: eh ? |
| 23:12.08 | blackelf | abrotman: get off my back / stop beeing mean, wtf |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | bkw: in etch/sid |
| 23:12.18 | blackelf | geo-rge: I wellcome all to use the results, in example to motivate hardware vendors to support linux etc |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | blackelf: why change nicks in the middle of a conversation ? |
| 23:12.31 | abrotman | bkw: in etch/sid .. the kernels are all smp-capable |
| 23:12.34 | blackelf | abrotman: because I changed the compuer I am on, obviously |
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| 23:12.44 | abrotman | screen broken for you ? |
| 23:12.54 | geo-rge | blackelf: that is the ONLY use of the data? |
| 23:12.56 | blackelf | abrotman: my back almost, I shoul lay down more |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | blackelf: you have issues |
| 23:13.25 | blackelf | abrotman: yes, with spine, something wrong? |
| 23:13.31 | bkw | abrotman: but not -smp kernel running by default right? So if I want -smp supprort. are there packages for that too? |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:13.33 | blackelf | geo-rge: I will also use it to convince myself hardware vendors to support linux |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | bkw: in sarge .. yes |
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| 23:13.48 | blackelf | abrotman: what is wrong? I did something wrong O_o? |
| 23:13.51 | abrotman | blackelf: there's a website for that already |
| 23:14.00 | blackelf | abrotman: what is the url? |
| 23:14.04 | abrotman | FGI |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | more than likely .. the only way you'll get vendors who have remained closed is to vote with your almighty buck |
| 23:15.16 | Thor[away] | where do I find the unstable version to download? |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | Thor[away]: why? |
| 23:15.31 | blackelf | abrotman: I plan first to convince some hardware shops to provide more information for customers on that matter |
| 23:15.35 | streuner | !tell Thor[away] about sid faq |
| 23:15.41 | streuner | read that first :-) |
| 23:15.41 | abrotman | blackelf: doubtful |
| 23:15.54 | blackelf | abrotman: I convinced a shop already |
| 23:16.00 | Thor[away] | abrotman stable do not support my hardware... testing become a little unstable... i will try de unstable =) |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | a shop ? |
| 23:16.06 | blackelf | yes |
| 23:16.12 | abrotman | Thor[away]: unstable breaks .. please don't use it |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | blackelf: which shop ? |
| 23:16.22 | rahul | "testing become a little unstable"? |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | blackelf: what information did they provide you with ? |
| 23:17.00 | geo-rge | Thor[away]: note, sid is not supported here... while sometimes you can get questions answered, anyone here is perfectly free to point and laugh at you for not being able to fix your own sid |
| 23:17.23 | geo-rge | rahul: etch became a smaller-sized sid? |
| 23:18.19 | geo-rge | Thor[away]: what aspect of debian do you think supports hardware? |
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| 23:18.31 | abrotman | or for being able to install your own sid :) |
| 23:18.46 | Thor[away] | the kernel... the kernel module of my ehternet device is forcedeth... the forcedeth of the kernel of stable version didnt work |
| 23:18.56 | geo-rge | yes, the kernel. |
| 23:19.03 | geo-rge | something you can -build- |
| 23:19.04 | Thor[away] | my hd is SATA... and the installe of stable version dont recognize it |
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| 23:19.08 | blackelf | abrotman: no, they agreed to provide their customers with info about how do linux support given hardware and so on |
| 23:19.17 | streuner | Thor[away]: there is a newer kernel for stable available |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | that's pretty much useless |
| 23:19.36 | blackelf | abrotman: but perhaps you are right: fuck it, I will take the $ I have to invest and instead open liquid store. |
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| 23:19.41 | geo-rge | streuner: he would probably need an installer that installs that kernel |
| 23:19.44 | streuner | Thor[away]: /msg dpkg backports or/and /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | blackelf: i'm saying to invest in hardware that is known to work with linux, without hassle |
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| 23:20.08 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 23:20.08 | dpkg_ | moin moin |
| 23:20.11 | streuner | hm |
| 23:20.15 | blackelf | abrotman: I am private person not a milionere. |
| 23:20.24 | streuner | Thor[away]: s/dpkg/dpkg_/ |
| 23:20.36 | blackelf | so perhaps I will just give the link to poll in question so you can comment on it actually? |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | blackelf: it helps |
| 23:20.51 | geo-rge | some private persons are millionaires... so you're saying you're a poor private person? :) |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | blackelf: not myself .. my hardware works with linux .. always has |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | than |
| 23:21.21 | streuner | dpkg, listvals kmuto |
| 23:21.29 | dpkg_ | Factoid search of 'kmuto' by value (9): hcl ;; sarge 2.6.18 ;; sarge 2.6.14 ;; which driver ;; hwcheck ;; dl ;; stable 2.6.16 ;; sarge 2.6.12 ;; driver locator. |
| 23:21.34 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 23:21.34 | dpkg_ | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:21.41 | dpkg_ | somebody said sarge 2.6.18 was if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 23:21.46 | blackelf | well the english translation still is bad, but here it goes: |
| 23:22.16 | blackelf | 15 minute version http://limcore.com/poll/2006/linux/take-poll/user/?lang=en&fromtag=ircdebian |
| 23:22.31 | abrotman | DIE SPAMMER! |
| 23:22.39 | blackelf | huh? |
| 23:22.42 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 23:22.51 | blackelf | what? didt you just told me to give the link? |
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| 23:22.53 | blackelf | jesus |
| 23:22.56 | abrotman | no i didn't |
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| 23:23.24 | abrotman | "it helps" was directed at buying hardware from people that are linux-friendly |
| 23:23.39 | blackelf | oh |
| 23:23.39 | geo-rge | oic, so you are also storing information about who (or what group) is responding... demographics. why? |
| 23:24.01 | blackelf | geo-rge: well yes to have a view who needsd that info |
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| 23:24.22 | abrotman | he's going to send you porn |
| 23:24.22 | blackelf | geo-rge: all questions are not mendatory btw, partially filled in forms will be also processed, to some degree |
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| 23:25.23 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 23:25.53 | geo-rge | I have a question at the following url, want to target it at people who know etch installer pretty well: http://rafb.net/p/HDwBu367.html |
| 23:26.26 | geo-rge | ganga spam spam spam and spam... EWWW |
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| 23:27.28 | abrotman | blackelf: you solve all your problems with drugs ? |
| 23:27.33 | blackelf | abrotman: please try to be more friendly and/or constructive |
| 23:27.43 | abrotman | you're spamming us! |
| 23:27.47 | blackelf | I do not take drugs. Although I plan to use HURD |
| 23:28.10 | blackelf | abrotman: jesus christ I gaved a link to a linux friendly action with opensource results, wtf |
| 23:28.24 | abrotman | can isee the results ? |
| 23:28.24 | geo-rge | oh, so virtual ganja spam spam virtual ganga spam spam and spam |
| 23:29.24 | geo-rge | blackelf: if you are seeing that people consider it to be off-topic, why not just drop it |
| 23:29.53 | blackelf | abrotman: yes, of all the people who agreed to view it, I finished release version of poll few hours ago we have two real polls so far |
| 23:29.58 | abrotman | geo-rge: he considers me to be a dick :) |
| 23:30.22 | sunsetblack | does anyone here know if a ibm t43 laptop is okay to run debian on ? |
| 23:30.23 | blackelf | geo-rge: because you ask |
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| 23:30.48 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:30.48 | dpkg_ | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ . For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | blackelf: see .. that's ontopic! |
| 23:31.02 | blackelf | OH NO |
| 23:31.11 | blackelf | abrotman: just spammed me with 4 links, my eyes arghhhhh |
| 23:31.21 | sunsetblack | thanks |
| 23:31.31 | blackelf | abrotman: I can even make that poll sourceforge project. so? |
| 23:32.05 | geo-rge | orthogonal, or at least linearly independent. but if that truely is the case, then the traffic should be moved off channel; it's constantly filling my screen |
| 23:32.09 | blackelf | the action is to convince people it is worth to start business supporting linux users (in hardware area) |
| 23:32.33 | blackelf | geo-rge: ? if you have more questions regaring poll only, please PM me then |
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| 23:32.38 | geo-rge | blackelf: PLEASE STOP. read what this channel is for. |
| 23:33.06 | abrotman | blackelf: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+hardware+petition&btnG=Google+Search .. sign every single one .. and stop bothering us about it please |
| 23:33.33 | geo-rge | if you don't want to be treated in an unfriendly way, keep your traffic RELEVENT. |
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| 23:33.47 | abrotman | neither do dead cows |
| 23:34.14 | geo-rge | who does dead cows these days? |
| 23:34.25 | dondelelcaro | CotDC? |
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| 23:34.35 | snowbird | dead cow over wait gal |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i haven't seen anyone bring them up in a very long time |
| 23:35.47 | {Nathan} | I have about 100 megabytes of packages that are not being used by anything. Is there a way to make apt delete these? |
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| 23:35.57 | blackelf | {Nathan}: apt-get clean perhaps? |
| 23:35.59 | snowbird | got wifi card on they way for etch and dvd burner. |
| 23:35.59 | geo-rge | blackelf: evidently, you're inspiring... |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | !tell {Nathan} about deborphan |
| 23:36.06 | {Nathan} | blackelf: I'll try it |
| 23:36.08 | abrotman | bah .. silly bot |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 23:36.10 | dpkg_ | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 23:36.15 | snowbird | is there good emulator so i run every thing? |
| 23:36.38 | blackelf | snowbird: I newer saw an Enterprise Core Computer emulator |
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| 23:36.53 | snowbird | kk |
| 23:37.00 | blackelf | if you are refering to win32 only then try wine, perahps cenega |
| 23:37.05 | snowbird | there is none |
| 23:37.08 | abrotman | snowbird: what kind of emulator ? |
| 23:37.22 | snowbird | to run win32 progies |
| 23:37.24 | geo-rge | an EVERYTHING emulator |
| 23:37.29 | blackelf | snowbird: you can emulate everything on qemu, bosh, vmwawre but it is sloooooooooooow |
| 23:37.37 | abrotman | wine or try installing windows in qemu/xen/vmware |
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| 23:37.52 | snowbird | nevor did wine |
| 23:38.06 | snowbird | got a temb w32 box for now |
| 23:38.20 | geo-rge | you could find free-software appliances |
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| 23:39.24 | DerJamster | {Nathan}: I also suggest debfoster |
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| 23:39.42 | geo-rge | debsocialworker? |
| 23:39.56 | {Nathan} | DerJamster: debfoster? what does that do? |
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| 23:40.11 | geo-rge | {Nathan}: install it, read the docs and see :) |
| 23:40.21 | geo-rge | that's BEST evidence |
| 23:40.30 | {Nathan} | geo-rge: ok |
| 23:40.51 | geo-rge | it won't do anything to just install it |
| 23:40.52 | willem | Hi all, Does anybody know why for jk2 is included for apache2, since it's deprecated? |
| 23:40.58 | geo-rge | so you're safe |
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| 23:46.08 | {Nathan} | geo-rge: thanks, debfoster is what I needed |
| 23:46.24 | Dunedan | Does somebody know how to get information about what a process (specially X.org) is doing atm and why it is consuming such a large amount of cpu time (when I run an open-gl app >80% a Athlon 65 3500+)? |
| 23:47.09 | PcDark | how do u find a process's pid and kill it |
| 23:47.16 | cusco | ps |
| 23:47.20 | cusco | ps -e |
| 23:47.21 | PcDark | k |
| 23:47.24 | Gathond | Dunedan: probably from running software openGL |
| 23:47.54 | Gathond | Dunedan: glxinfo can verify that, look for Direct Rendering: near the top |
| 23:48.23 | geo-rge | Dunedan: opengl stuff involves a HELL of a lot of math... transendental functions, multiplies, power/exponents, etc |
| 23:48.34 | geo-rge | matrix multiplies |
| 23:48.48 | PcDark | why can't I delete my psybnc folder |
| 23:48.49 | PcDark | I'm root |
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| 23:49.03 | Dunedan | yeah, but I've a GeForce 6600 and a correct installed Nvidia driver (I hope it is correctly installed ;-)) |
| 23:49.33 | geo-rge | PcDark: you tell us |
| 23:49.59 | PcDark | err |
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| 23:50.00 | Dunedan | Gathond: "direct rendering: No" <- good or bad? |
| 23:50.01 | PcDark | I don't know |
| 23:50.37 | geo-rge | PcDark: so... when you try, it says nothing? |
| 23:50.51 | PcDark | yeah |
| 23:51.10 | groggy | Dunedan: Are you using the correct options? |
| 23:51.18 | geo-rge | how exactly are you trying? |
| 23:51.21 | groggy | Dunedan: Just installing the nVidia driver doesn't necessarily DTRT. |
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| 23:52.16 | PcDark | the /psybnc/tools isn't being deleted |
| 23:52.22 | PcDark | its wierd, I'm using it over SFTP |
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| 23:53.18 | Ny-Ty | for what is in wine casemap.c |
| 23:53.24 | geo-rge | how exactly are you trying? |
| 23:53.41 | Gathond | Dunedan: glxinfo will confirm whether it runs in hardware of software mode |
| 23:53.41 | guru | when using a usb kvm switch on debian unstable and i switch to my other machine and then back to debian xorg restarts and there are no error messages in the log or in dmesg...it seems to be a usb sleep/wakeup issue. has anyone else experienced this and if so is there a solution? |
| 23:54.03 | PcDark | why can't I delete this ! |
| 23:54.07 | PcDark | im gettin mad |
| 23:54.12 | guru | PcDark: delete what? |
| 23:54.20 | PcDark | o |
| 23:54.24 | PcDark | the process is still running |
| 23:54.26 | PcDark | da hk. |
| 23:54.30 | PcDark | i just killed it. |
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| 23:56.30 | Dunedan | thx for your help. I think it's a problem with the nvidia-driver-options. So it's a point where I can search the problem. |
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| 23:58.06 | PcDark | WHY CANT I KILL THE STUPID PROCESS |
| 23:58.25 | PcDark | I did "kill 2820" |
| 23:58.28 | PcDark | but it won't die ! |
| 23:58.35 | shingouz | PcDark: try with a kill 9 |
| 23:58.40 | PcDark | ? |
| 23:58.52 | PcDark | kill 9? |
| 23:58.52 | shingouz | man kill |
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| 23:58.52 | guru | PcDark: kill -9 processid |
