| 00:00.00 | rBo3Db | ...InputDevice Driver "keyboard" (changed from "kbd" just in case) |
| 00:00.08 | sam_uk | do you have to manually mount firewire devices in debian? if i plug the external drive into usb it automounts, if i plug in firewire nothing happens.. lspci: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/lspci%20is%20here |
| 00:00.26 | snowbird | iam in kanotottix booted live |
| 00:00.30 | snowbird | what is chroot |
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| 00:00.40 | Cholito | robin_sz: but there have to be a way to avoid this, right? |
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| 00:00.58 | robin_sz | Cholito, certainly ... apt-get romove webmin should do it |
| 00:01.02 | sam_uk | !firewire |
| 00:01.02 | dpkg | hmm... firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 00:01.18 | Cholito | robin_sz: that's not what i meant |
| 00:01.27 | maddash | amphi: as a follow up, speedstep and ibm-acpi both work now...so perhaps setting the "m" to "y" wasn't a good idea... |
| 00:01.39 | robin_sz | Cholito, or secure access to webmin to restrict it only to people who you want to use it |
| 00:01.50 | amphi | maddash: cool |
| 00:02.12 | karmatronic | maddash, always better to use modules , since you cant tune the options |
| 00:02.14 | maddash | amphi: though i'm left wondering, how does speedstep run if I compile it monolithically? |
| 00:02.33 | amphi | maddash: whaddya mean, 'how'? |
| 00:03.24 | robin_sz | Cholito, and ive never used webmin, but adding http/apache basic auth would be one way for example, X509 certs under SSL would be another ... maybe it even has a userlist of its own, dont know, never been crazy enough to let it onto my box! |
| 00:03.31 | maddash | amphi: well, it's gotta be running inside the kernel when it is set to "y", so why doesn't it write to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ like it does in "m" mode? |
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| 00:04.24 | maddash | amphi: just curious, are you running swsusp or swsusp2? if the former, does suspend to disk work for you? |
| 00:04.26 | wakejagr | snowbird: if you mount a linux partition (a partition on your hd, for example), chroot allows you to change your root directory. it will be as if you are running from your hd install, so you can run grub-install in your chroot, and it will install from your hd linux, instead of from the kanotix. |
| 00:04.44 | Thor_CMP__ | is there any way to reduce the bright of a notebook's screen? |
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| 00:04.59 | maddash | thor_cmp__: xbrightness gui |
| 00:05.02 | snowbird | wakejagr |
| 00:05.13 | snowbird | seems i cant mount it with kanottix |
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| 00:05.23 | robin_sz | Cholito, normally webmin shoudl ask for the root username and password before letting you do anything .. |
| 00:05.29 | snowbird | can i do a file check |
| 00:05.45 | amphi | maddash: former, and yes; 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' does the trick; you may need 'resume=/dev/foo' on your kernel cmdline for restore to work |
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| 00:06.31 | wakejagr | snowbird: you should be able to do a check, but i'm not sure how kanotix is set up, or what it supports |
| 00:06.52 | snowbird | kk i get grub 17 error |
| 00:07.05 | snowbird | is there a way to get past that and check |
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| 00:07.16 | maddash | amphi: does echo disk always suspends to the swap partition? |
| 00:07.18 | amphi | maddash: where /dev/foo is your swap partition |
| 00:07.24 | amphi | maddash: yes |
| 00:07.25 | Cholito | robin_sz: I did it, I just restricted the login access to my user and root... |
| 00:07.25 | maddash | amphi: serendipity. |
| 00:08.12 | Thor_CMP__ | maddash, look into my notebook's screen is more or less the same that look to the sun... this program can help me? |
| 00:08.29 | robin_sz | Cholito, excellent ... by the way, is this going ovber https? |
| 00:08.31 | maddash | thor_cmp__: yes. |
| 00:08.32 | karmatronic | maddash, thank you (serendipity) |
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| 00:08.40 | karmatronic | serendipity now ! |
| 00:08.45 | maddash | karmatronic: LOL . for what? |
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| 00:09.00 | karmatronic | for learning me a new word .... |
| 00:09.10 | maddash | LOL "learning me" |
| 00:09.21 | karmatronic | which results to have exact meaning of the situation |
| 00:09.30 | robin_sz | Cholito, sending your root password over a non-secure protocol on your network (ie no https) is asking for it to be packet-sniffed |
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| 00:09.59 | rBo3Db | my dist-upgraded etch fails to toggle keyboard layouts specified in xorg.conf, "XkbLayout|Variant|Options" entries copied from the earlier XF86Config-4... InputDevice Driver "keyboard" (changed from "kbd" just in case)... "XkbRules" "xorg"... what do I miss?.. i installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd myself after upgrade... |
| 00:10.28 | wakejagr | snowbird: to check if your filesystem is corrupted, you should be able to fsck /dev/hda1 (or whatever your hd linux partition is). make sure any partition you fsck is unmounted before you fsck the /dev |
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| 00:11.15 | snowbird | kk |
| 00:11.49 | maddash | thor_cmp__: also, vbetool seems to have some brightness controls... |
| 00:12.09 | snowbird | error bad number in supper block |
| 00:12.16 | rBo3Db | maybe, i shouldn't ask about etch yet? |
| 00:12.18 | amphi | maddash: what laptop do you have there? |
| 00:12.33 | maddash | amphi: thinkpad t43 |
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| 00:12.45 | amphi | t42 here ;) |
| 00:12.52 | maddash | amphi: **serendipity** |
| 00:12.59 | Cholito | robin_sz: it's https |
| 00:13.14 | robin_sz | Cholito, good, just checking :) |
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| 00:13.20 | amphi | maddash: thinkwiki.org is handy, if you don't know it |
| 00:13.22 | snowbird | wakejagr bad supper block now what |
| 00:13.27 | wakejagr | snowbird: that doesn't sound good. not sure what to suggest from here. |
| 00:13.36 | snowbird | ill re format |
| 00:13.54 | snowbird | ill need hellp to get nvida drivers after install |
| 00:13.55 | maddash | amphi: I do, but it isn't really helping...for now, I can get pretty much everything working except suspend to ram and to disk... |
| 00:14.08 | robin_sz | Cholito, for some reason all/nearly all the webmin howtos give a non-https URI to login with .. why, I have no idea |
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| 00:14.22 | Cholito | robin_sz: it has a 256bits encription ;) |
| 00:14.30 | maddash | amphi: oops, just suspended to ram w/fn+f4....funny, that didn't work with the other kernel |
| 00:14.48 | maddash | amphi: fn+f12 does nothing...neither does echo disk... |
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| 00:15.02 | moshe | hello, folks |
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| 00:15.11 | Cholito | well, now then you go to http://webmin you get this: "This web server is running in SSL mode. Try the URL https://webmin:10000/ instead." |
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| 00:15.26 | amphi | maddash: grep SUSP /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:15.27 | moshe | is samba recommended/required to set up a print server on a network that has no windows clients? |
| 00:15.46 | sobersabre | hi. I am trying to use my ups, USP, "Advice Partner" |
| 00:15.59 | sobersabre | I have apt-get installed nut stuff |
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| 00:16.18 | maddash | amphi: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y \n #CONFIG_X86_GX_SUSPMOD is not set |
| 00:16.28 | sobersabre | Then I connected the usb cable, and the device /dev/usb/hiddev0 has been created |
| 00:16.48 | amphi | maddash: you see anything in your log after echo disk ? |
| 00:17.00 | sobersabre | I want to tune udev to somehow identify the UPS, and create a device, say /dev/usb/ups0 |
| 00:17.20 | sobersabre | but, I don't want ALL hiddev devices to be named "ups" |
| 00:17.25 | maddash | amphi: which log? /var/log/acpid? |
| 00:17.36 | amphi | maddash: /var/log/syslog |
| 00:17.53 | sobersabre | what shall I be looking at ? ( there seem to bee too many files in /etc/udev |
| 00:17.55 | sobersabre | ) |
| 00:18.43 | hoepen | hi guys.... can i borrow a netfilter/iproute expert for a sec ? |
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| 00:19.19 | maddash | amphi: hold on, let me rename it, and create a new one |
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| 00:20.07 | amphi | maddash: why? |
| 00:20.08 | concept10 | Gosh, someone tell me why people make videos available for viewing with flash only? should I curse the content creators or Adobe with the buggy flash player 9 ? |
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| 00:20.19 | maddash | amphi: lots of irrelevant stuff, i think...it's a big file... |
| 00:20.23 | amphi | maddash: just tail the damn thing and try 'echo disk ...' |
| 00:20.24 | blahdeblah_ | concept10: Both |
| 00:20.33 | amphi | maddash: tail -f |
| 00:20.47 | sobersabre | concept10 they calculate who their viewers are more likely. |
| 00:20.55 | sobersabre | concept10 and you're not amongst them |
| 00:21.01 | maddash | amphi: I just echo disk -ed...returned, "bash: error: write erro: No such device" |
| 00:21.11 | tiagosab | Hi! DHi! Anyone knows how to set up the onboard audio on nvidia mpc61 chipset? I read somewhere that alsa 1.0.13 was needed, but it it's what is in etch and alsaconf can't find the soundcard. |
| 00:21.17 | MaliutaWrk | anyone know what options (or ENV vars to set) to use concurancy in the process of building packages? |
| 00:21.18 | concept10 | Im sick of shit not working in linux without problems |
| 00:21.20 | tiagosab | BTW, why /proc/asound/version is different from alsa-base version (in etch)? |
| 00:21.35 | amphi | maddash: /sys/power/state is there? |
| 00:21.55 | amphi | concept10: use plan 9 |
| 00:22.00 | sobersabre | concept10 what's the problem of just installing flash player ? are you on ppc/ia64 ? |
| 00:22.03 | karmatronic | tiagosab, you need related modules in order for alsaconf to find the card |
| 00:22.04 | maddash | amphi: indeed. I can echo mem to it just fine. quite strange. |
| 00:22.21 | concept10 | amphi, heh |
| 00:22.24 | amphi | maddash: catting it shows what?? |
| 00:22.36 | maddash | amphi: I suspect that there's some error msg being displayed in ctrl+alt+f1 mode... |
| 00:22.51 | maddash | do you want to see the contents of my tail syslog? |
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| 00:22.58 | concept10 | sobersabre, I have flash installed but it freezes sometimes and I have to restart the browser |
| 00:23.04 | amphi | maddash: no ;) anything relevant? |
| 00:23.26 | sobersabre | concept10 there're several swf player implementations around. all of them freeze ? |
| 00:23.27 | concept10 | We need a petition |
| 00:23.47 | tiagosab | karmatronic: i tried loading intel-hda, i think that's the right module, but |
| 00:24.03 | karmatronic | tiagosab, lspci | grep Multimedia |
| 00:24.06 | sobersabre | concept10 to ask for what ? debugging of linx flash player ? |
| 00:24.15 | karmatronic | tiagosab, lspci | grep Audio |
| 00:24.17 | sobersabre | s/linx/linux/ |
| 00:24.18 | tiagosab | AFAIR alsaconf unloads all sound modules defore detecting soundcard. |
| 00:24.24 | concept10 | we need to petition all content providers to use something that is compatible with all platforms |
| 00:24.30 | concept10 | sobersabre, that too.. |
| 00:24.37 | amphi | concept10: work on gnash ;) |
| 00:24.38 | sobersabre | concept10 ... give me a break :) |
| 00:24.51 | blahdeblah_ | Can anyone tell me where to get the Intel G965 kernel modules for 2.6.18-3 on etch amd64? |
| 00:24.51 | tiagosab | karmatronic: 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 00:25.09 | sobersabre | tiagosab some HDA chips don't work with linux... |
| 00:25.27 | maddash | amphi: "swsusp: cannot find swap device..." god I feel like such a klutz |
| 00:25.30 | sobersabre | ( at least didn't a year ago ) |
| 00:25.43 | amphi | maddash: resume=foo ;) |
| 00:25.46 | karmatronic | tiagosab, modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 00:25.51 | Joshua__ | ahh so need nvida driver after this ree done |
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| 00:26.14 | maddash | amphi: "swsusp: cannot find swap device..." god I feel like such a klutz |
| 00:26.26 | amphi | maddash: yes |
| 00:26.28 | blahdeblah_ | Or alternatively, is there a 2.6.19 build for etch amd64? |
| 00:26.31 | sobersabre | tiagosab don't you have a CD with drivers from nVidia ? |
| 00:26.47 | amphi | !pal maddash |
| 00:26.51 | maddash | amphi: I lost my swap partition from previous failed attempts to resume from swsusp2....mkswapped, then swap -a 'ed, and echo > disk worked fine... |
| 00:27.00 | amphi | maddash: ah |
| 00:27.01 | maddash | amphi: haha nice one |
| 00:27.04 | tiagosab | sobersabre: probably, but I never used the vendor's cd on linux ;-) |
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| 00:27.28 | sobersabre | tiagosab ... well, either visit the nvidia.com site or the CD. |
| 00:27.34 | maddash | amphi: hold on, let me restart to the default etch kernel and see if it works |
| 00:27.39 | amphi | maddash: no you just need an acpi script to bind it to Fn-F12 |
| 00:27.48 | amphi | s/no/now |
| 00:27.53 | amphi | pfft |
| 00:27.55 | tiagosab | ok sobersabre, i'll return there. |
| 00:28.07 | sobersabre | tigosab, and still maybe it doesn't work ;-) |
| 00:28.37 | sobersabre | tiagosab you have these: 1. nvidia 2. alsa 3. specific chip project |
| 00:28.42 | sobersabre | to shoot at. |
| 00:29.11 | sobersabre | and make sure you know your device's PCI ID, and compare it with the supported chips |
| 00:29.29 | sobersabre | tiagosab do you know how to determine it ? |
| 00:30.22 | tiagosab | lspci -n ? |
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| 00:31.38 | sobersabre | tiagosab yes. |
| 00:31.39 | tiagosab | I've already searched on those sites, but have found nothing directly related to this chip. |
| 00:31.55 | sobersabre | tiagosab is it some new chipset ? |
| 00:33.16 | maddash | amphi: ok, `uname -r`="2.6.18.3" (the default etch kernel), but `sudo modprobe ibm-acpi` returns "sudo: timestamp too far into the future" LOL |
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| 00:34.04 | sobersabre | guys. I need some direction with udev\ |
| 00:34.22 | sobersabre | I have bought a luckily supported UPS |
| 00:34.35 | sobersabre | and I want to use it with NUT |
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| 00:34.54 | sobersabre | it is detected etc., but: 1. default permissions are bad |
| 00:35.13 | sobersabre | 2. ups device name is /dev/usb/hiddev0, which sux |
| 00:35.24 | sobersabre | I want to make udev set the right permissions |
| 00:35.28 | utab | how can I search for kernel 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 00:35.39 | sobersabre | and I want the device to have a nice name, like ups0 |
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| 00:36.19 | wwallace | hello |
| 00:36.22 | sobersabre | I've opened /dev/udev/rules.d/udev.rules |
| 00:36.34 | wwallace | how do i disable xfree86-dga extension please? |
| 00:36.40 | sobersabre | and I see it seems the file I maybe need to edit, but I don't know exactly how. |
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| 00:37.05 | sobersabre | wwallace which debian version do you run ? |
| 00:37.09 | wwallace | sid |
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| 00:37.12 | amphi | maddash: install ntpdate ;) |
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| 00:37.19 | moshe | what option needs to be set in cupsd.conf to allow a client machine access to the web config? |
| 00:37.20 | maddash | amphi: whoa. this is weird. echo disk works, even in the default etch kernel...hold on, let me try again with a heavier cpu load |
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| 00:37.32 | maddash | amphi: yep, that's definitely on the top of my todo list |
| 00:37.53 | wwallace | amphi, |
| 00:37.58 | wwallace | wuz up? |
| 00:37.59 | wwallace | :) |
| 00:38.04 | amphi | maddash: perhaps you used default partitioning? did you look at your grub config? |
| 00:38.19 | amphi | hello wwallace |
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| 00:39.13 | sushi_ | man..I need help choosing the right debian to use |
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| 00:39.23 | sushi_ | it's kinda confusing |
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| 00:39.30 | amphi | sushi_: etch probably |
| 00:39.33 | moshe | sushi_, what are your needs? |
| 00:39.36 | sushi_ | well |
| 00:39.44 | sushi_ | all software I can get |
| 00:39.46 | sushi_ | to work properly |
| 00:40.28 | moshe | desktop or server? |
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| 00:40.32 | sushi_ | desktop |
| 00:40.40 | sushi_ | when I try to install certain software |
| 00:40.52 | sushi_ | it would screw me up |
| 00:40.57 | sushi_ | I think that's what I had though |
| 00:41.03 | amphi | sushi_: install how? |
| 00:41.03 | sushi_ | I had etch and..um..sarge, I think |
| 00:41.13 | sushi_ | I'd use apt-get |
| 00:41.14 | Nwallins | anyone know the best (or intended, even) way to hook up case fans that have a small 3-pin female (1 wire only, though) and a separate, 2-wire molex connector? |
| 00:41.39 | amphi | sushi_: what screwed you up? |
| 00:41.46 | sushi_ | it was going great for a long time in debian |
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| 00:42.01 | sushi_ | and then I wanted to get transparency working |
| 00:42.03 | sushi_ | to mess around with |
| 00:42.23 | sushi_ | and I think it was only available for etch if I remember correctly |
| 00:42.23 | amphi | sushi_: alpha-channel bit you? haha |
| 00:42.35 | sushi_ | and I hosed my box |
| 00:42.38 | sushi_ | trying to get it going |
| 00:42.43 | sushi_ | messing around with apt-get |
| 00:42.48 | sushi_ | so I switched to etch |
| 00:42.57 | sushi_ | and certain software that I had in the other one |
| 00:42.59 | sushi_ | didn't work!!! |
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| 00:43.23 | sushi_ | why can't there just be one where all the damn software works? |
| 00:43.32 | amphi | sushi_: debian is not proof against deliberate malice ;) |
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| 00:43.57 | sushi_ | maybe debian isn't for me |
| 00:44.11 | sushi_ | it was the best I've used until I ran into that problem |
| 00:44.36 | maddash | amphi: ok, it's just as I predicted (I'm in su mode): free returns "243912/515792 KB pmem used'...with 626420 free swap... |
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| 00:44.57 | maddash | amphi: echo disk tries to hibernate, then resumes almost immediately |
| 00:45.12 | Joshua__ | is there a kernal faster than 586 |
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| 00:45.18 | maddash | amphi: returned msg: "bash: echo: write error: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 00:45.19 | Joshua__ | like for 1 gig pc |
| 00:45.30 | amphi | maddash: not enough swap space perhaps |
| 00:45.37 | maddash | Joshua__: define "1gig" and 'faster" as well as "pc". |
| 00:45.50 | maddash | amphi: how's that possible? |
| 00:46.27 | Joshua__ | like 1.8 cpu amd and 1 gig ram |
| 00:46.29 | maddash | amphi: I've only used 243912 of pmem, 626920 swap is available |
| 00:46.40 | moshe | you know, I thought I was reasonably intelligent until I tried to set up a cups print server for my home |
| 00:46.43 | Joshua__ | what kernal |
| 00:46.46 | amphi | maddash: I missed your previous line - any other message in syslog? some things break swsusp, like mysql IIRC, so you need your script to stop and restart such |
| 00:47.00 | amphi | maddash: the linuxant winmodem driver is another such |
| 00:47.08 | amphi | moshe: heheh |
| 00:47.10 | maddash | joshua__: gentoo. j/k. try etch. it's quite nice. and get the amd linux kernel |
| 00:47.25 | amphi | moshe: esr wrote a rant about that a while back |
| 00:47.25 | moshe | how the hell do I access the web config from my client machine? |
| 00:47.30 | moshe | amphi, I know. |
| 00:47.32 | moshe | I reread it today |
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| 00:47.35 | amphi | heh |
| 00:47.48 | moshe | reread. I read it when it was first published a couple of years ago |
| 00:48.04 | moshe | I need that web config to get my server to connect to the printer |
| 00:48.25 | Joshua__ | how i get amd kenal? |
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| 00:48.26 | amphi | moshe: 901? I forget |
| 00:48.38 | maddash | amphi: don't run either. syslog: nothing inconspicuous. |
| 00:48.46 | sushi_ | I think it was my NVIDIA driver I couldn't install in etch |
| 00:48.59 | sushi_ | if I remember correctly |
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| 00:49.08 | maddash | amphi: all i've done since the previous success of echo disk was run another 10 xterms, xmms and synaptic... |
| 00:49.08 | TonyStark | good night |
| 00:49.11 | sushi_ | remember it was one of them |
| 00:49.27 | amphi | maddash: synaptic is running? |
| 00:49.47 | Joshua__ | edit sorce for etch? |
| 00:49.52 | moshe | 901? |
| 00:49.54 | moshe | what's 901? |
| 00:49.54 | maddash | joshua__: do you have synaptic? `sudo aptitude install synaptic` if not. then run synaptic, search for "linux-image"...the rest should be obvious |
| 00:49.59 | maddash | amphi: yes... |
| 00:50.01 | amphi | moshe: port |
| 00:50.04 | moshe | no |
| 00:50.06 | moshe | port 631 |
| 00:50.06 | amphi | maddash: try without |
| 00:50.16 | Joshua__ | kk |
| 00:50.18 | amphi | moshe: I knew there was a '1' in it ;) |
| 00:50.21 | moshe | I get 403 forbidden when I enter the hostname:631 |
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| 00:50.36 | moshe | which is improvement, because earlier it said host not found |
| 00:50.52 | TonyStark | I have some trouble with my firewire card, it loads the eth1394 module automatically, so it iterferes with my dv cam, I ahve read that the solution is disable the loading of the module, but i don't know how to do it... |
| 00:51.00 | amphi | moshe: cups config? maybe remote is disallowed? I'm guessing, I've not fscked with cups |
| 00:51.19 | moshe | I know it's disallowed by default. |
| 00:51.27 | moshe | I'm trying to disdisallow it. :) |
| 00:51.34 | Joshua__ | iam zero drive and then 1.8 256 for etch |
| 00:51.43 | maddash | amphi: same stuff as before. I'm running xchat, 10 xterms, xmms, vlc and the 3ddesk daemon...free returns: 233584 pmem in use, 626420 swap free. |
| 00:52.12 | amphi | maddash: dunno, it works here, with a kernel builyt from debian src |
| 00:52.16 | maddash | amphi: most like likely not enough swap, but it's kind of odd.I'll google around a bit... |
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| 00:52.56 | maddash | amphi: brb let me try the echo disk in the recompiled kernel again... |
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| 00:56.03 | TonyStark | I have some trouble with my firewire card, it loads the eth1394 module automatically, so it interferes with my dv cam, I have read that the solution is disable the loading of the module, but i don't know how to do it... |
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| 00:56.50 | Pc_Dark | can someone get me the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 00:57.29 | blahdeblah_ | Is there an "approved" or "official" way of building a vanilla kernel.org kernel on etch? I need 2.6.19 or later, and the etch repositories only have 2.6.18. |
| 00:57.30 | Pc_Dark | I accidently deleted |
| 00:57.41 | Pc_Dark | can someone please get me /etc/mysql/my.cnf PLEASE |
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| 00:58.16 | amphi | blahdeblah_: make-kpkg (install kernel-package) |
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| 00:59.14 | Pc_Dark | does any1 have /etc/mysql/mysql.cnf |
| 00:59.16 | Pc_Dark | I really need it |
| 00:59.57 | amphi | !tell Pc_Dark about confmiss |
| 01:00.06 | amphi | dpkg is dead? |
| 01:00.09 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | elik22: |
| 01:00.19 | amphi | argh |
| 01:00.51 | Pc_Dark | please though |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | elik22: did you get it ? |
| 01:00.53 | Pc_Dark | I need it |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: comes in the package |
| 01:02.37 | Pc_Dark | ? |
| 01:02.43 | Pc_Dark | I did apt-get install mysql-server |
| 01:02.52 | Pc_Dark | but i need the mysql.cnf |
| 01:02.58 | Pc_Dark | i deleted it by accident |
| 01:03.01 | dererk | TonyStark, you have to blacklist the module, exactly as I said in #debian-es :) |
| 01:03.10 | Pc_Dark | Please someone ! |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | !tell Pc_Dark about confmiss |
| 01:03.29 | Pc_Dark | dpkg is dead |
| 01:03.31 | amphi | dpkg is AWOL |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 01:03.44 | Pc_Dark | Please someone |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: bot is napping |
| 01:04.00 | Pc_Dark | Please help me ! |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: which version of mysql ? |
| 01:04.23 | amphi | Pc_Dark: join #debian on oftc.net and ask dpkg about confmiss |
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| 01:04.27 | Pc_Dark | mysql-server4 |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | 4.0 or 4.1 ? |
| 01:04.42 | Pc_Dark | I did apt-get install mysql-server |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | that's nice .. 4.0 or 4.1 ? |
| 01:04.56 | TonyStark | dererk, I have answered you yet there, I'm NOT asking that, you'd better read it |
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| 01:05.12 | Pc_Dark | 4.1 |
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| 01:05.32 | spldart | is there a command to make my deb experimental box renew it's ip addy... it keeps grabbing an ip I've already assigned to another machine |
| 01:06.17 | spldart | In this case it's grabbing 192.168.0.106 when that's already assigned to another boxen |
| 01:06.22 | blahdeblah_ | amphi: Thanks - checking it out now |
| 01:06.24 | Pc_Dark | Nvm.. |
| 01:06.32 | Pc_Dark | I don't know what it is |
| 01:06.34 | abrotman | apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 01:06.57 | Pc_Dark | it's 4.0 |
| 01:06.59 | Pc_Dark | sorry |
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| 01:07.43 | amphi | blahdeblah_: ? |
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| 01:08.29 | Pc_Dark | can someone just give me mysql.cnf |
| 01:08.30 | Pc_Dark | the file |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | i just freaking told you how to do it |
| 01:08.54 | Pc_Dark | i did it |
| 01:08.57 | Pc_Dark | and it didn't restore it |
| 01:09.16 | Pc_Dark | i did apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::"--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 01:09.18 | Pc_Dark | and it reinstalled |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | mysql-server-4.0 |
| 01:09.25 | Pc_Dark | yet, it still says the conf file isn't there, and it isn't |
| 01:09.25 | OpenStandards | HI I'm having problems with debian stable, i've been running fisk -l and been getting no output back same goes for sfisk -l |
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| 01:09.50 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:09.55 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
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| 01:10.05 | Pc_Dark | its alive |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: bot stopped napping :) |
| 01:11.04 | bucky | OpenStandards, prolly your ata controller isn't supported in sarge's 2.6.8 kernel |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | OpenStandards: did it work before ? |
| 01:12.12 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 01:12.16 | Pc_Dark | it restored the coonfigs |
| 01:12.18 | Pc_Dark | eXCEPT |
| 01:12.24 | concept10 | OpenStandards, have you tried to use the device in the arguments? such as fdisk -l /dev/hda1 |
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| 01:12.29 | Pc_Dark | i need my.cfg still |
| 01:12.31 | OpenStandards | uname -a is returning 2.4.27-3-386, i'm not actually the ownser of the box, i'm just helping someone out |
| 01:12.51 | OpenStandards | no i haven't concept10 i'll try that |
| 01:12.55 | spldart | hrm... dhcpcd -k perhaps? |
| 01:13.03 | Pc_Dark | yeah its still nto there |
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| 01:13.09 | Pc_Dark | someone please give me my.cfg |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: i told you how to get it back |
| 01:13.15 | Pc_Dark | I DID WHAT U SAID |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:13.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:13.20 | amphi | !u |
| 01:13.21 | Pc_Dark | I did EXACTLY what you said |
| 01:13.25 | amphi | heh |
| 01:13.33 | Pc_Dark | I did what YOU said |
| 01:13.36 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: do the same mysql-common |
| 01:13.47 | MoDaX | for mysql-common |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | !find my.cnf sarge |
| 01:13.48 | Pc_Dark | err ok |
| 01:13.51 | OpenStandards | concept10, thanks worked |
| 01:13.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common,misc/mysql-common-4.1. |
| 01:14.11 | Pc_Dark | yup |
| 01:14.20 | concept10 | OpenStandards, no problem, I am the only Debian expert in here |
| 01:14.32 | streuner | heh |
| 01:14.35 | concept10 | :) |
| 01:14.52 | blahdeblah_ | amphi: Re: make-kpkg - i was just thanking you. :-) |
| 01:15.52 | amphi | blahdeblah_: I'd forgotten ;) |
| 01:15.52 | Pc_Dark | Reinstallation of mysql-common is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 01:15.52 | Pc_Dark | That's what it says |
| 01:16.01 | jello | Pc_Dark: try mysql-common-4.1 ? |
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| 01:16.18 | Pc_Dark | I'm running 4.0 |
| 01:16.24 | Pc_Dark | 4.1 i have too many things higher |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | apt-get install mysql-common |
| 01:16.36 | factotum | anyone have any problems with X loading and not finding the kbd module in etch? |
| 01:16.43 | concept10 | upgrade to 5.0 |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | concept10: in sarge ? |
| 01:16.54 | concept10 | oh |
| 01:17.09 | factotum | im trying to start X in Etch, but it says it cant find the modules "mouse" and "kbd" |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | factotum: xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 01:17.24 | concept10 | no ones backported mysql 5.x to sarge? |
| 01:17.49 | abrotman | concept10: sure .. but how does that solve his issue ? |
| 01:17.52 | MoDaX | factotum: known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405639 |
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| 01:18.11 | concept10 | abrotman, it doesnt specifically, but he may as well. |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | replace one pile of shit for another ? |
| 01:18.57 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:18.58 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: apt-cache policy mysql-common |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | !info mysql-common sarge |
| 01:19.13 | concept10 | actually, 5.0 is better in my experiences |
| 01:19.17 | dpkg | mysql-common: (mysql database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf)), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 01:19.23 | Pc_Dark | WEWT |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | concept10: so is excel .. not saying much |
| 01:19.30 | Pc_Dark | I think i got it installed |
| 01:19.55 | concept10 | what a ... tramp |
| 01:20.04 | OpenStandards | concept10, what could be causing fdisk -l not to work do you think |
| 01:20.11 | MoDaX | how come that guy has so many problems? |
| 01:20.24 | jello | OpenStandards: does the device file exist? |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | MoDaX: which guy ? |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | MoDaX: would you honestly like to guess ? |
| 01:20.49 | MoDaX | abrotman: pc_dark |
| 01:20.56 | streuner | newbie |
| 01:20.59 | concept10 | OpenStandards, how about su fdisk -l |
| 01:21.09 | OpenStandards | jello, i've always used fdisk -l on my archlinu box without any probs |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | MoDaX: he probably had an older version of mysql-common .. which is why it couldn't be reinstalled |
| 01:21.34 | OpenStandards | concept10, logged in as root |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | MoDaX: besides him not knowing which package my.cnf came from |
| 01:21.49 | concept10 | OpenStandards, thats because arch linux is optimized for the maximum linux experience out-of-the-box |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | or which version of mysql he was running |
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| 01:22.22 | concept10 | OpenStandards, j/k but how did you log in as root? |
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| 01:22.32 | OpenStandards | through ssh |
| 01:22.52 | lindenle | HO does one bounce or redirect an email in thunderbird(icedove)? |
| 01:22.57 | lindenle | HO=how |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | bounce ? |
| 01:23.06 | abrotman | back to the sender ? |
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| 01:23.16 | jello | lindenle: use mutt? :) |
| 01:23.18 | lindenle | abrotman: no like forward but does not change you to sender |
| 01:23.27 | lindenle | jello: I do, this is for a user of mine |
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| 01:23.32 | elik22 | abrotman, no, not solved |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | lindenle: uhm .. i don't think you can do that from t-bird |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | elik22: so what was it ? |
| 01:23.39 | concept10 | OpenStandards, to be honest, I havent logged into my server as root in *forever* so I always have to use su or sudo |
| 01:23.46 | MoDaX | abrotman: yeah, but I wonder what happened to his my.cnf in the first place that he needed to reinstall |
| 01:23.48 | lindenle | abrotman: good to know |
| 01:23.49 | mphill | i delete some conf files and i tried to apt-get remove then install but its not creating the conf files, what should i type to reinstall all the default conf files? |
| 01:24.04 | abrotman | MoDaX: he did some 'rm' magic ? |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | !tell mphill about confmiss |
| 01:24.23 | lindenle | abrotman: there is a plugin that does it |
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| 01:24.26 | MoDaX | newbie does not known how to do rm magic :) |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | lindenle: eww ... |
| 01:24.49 | concept10 | he should have made a back up before editing the original conf file anyway |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | MoDaX: unlink magic ? :) |
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| 01:25.12 | snowbird | how do u back up |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
| 01:25.19 | MoDaX | !u |
| 01:25.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:25.22 | stoned | u |
| 01:25.31 | snowbird | you soory |
| 01:25.36 | snowbird | i know that oops |
| 01:25.38 | stoned | soory |
| 01:25.39 | elik22 | abrotman, what it is still |
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| 01:25.46 | abrotman | elik22: i don't know the issue |
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| 01:26.01 | concept10 | fdisk -l doesnt show any output on my box unless I use su ... the same for everyone? |
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| 01:26.04 | elik22 | abrotman, oops |
| 01:26.14 | elik22 | I have two computers: desktop and laptop. Both have mutliboot with linux and WinXP. I was moving and took my laptop with me. I needed data from my desktop and my laptop hard drive was too small, so I purchased an external hard drive. I wanted to make it ext3 as I mainly work on linux... I copied some of the stuff on it with my linux desktop, namely my mp3 directory which contains accents (I'm french). I will call that encoding 1. After t |
| 01:26.14 | elik22 | hat, I found ext2ifs, which allowed me to mount ext partitions on Windows, so I copied some of my stuff on the hard drive from windows, namely my gf's directory. We'll call that encoding 2. When I mount the hard drive on windows, encoding 1 shows up correctly, but encoding 2 messes up. If I mount it on linux, it's the other way around. I want to make it consistant.... |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | elik22: iconv .. i think |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | elik22: you'd probably do better to ask other french people |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:27.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:27.09 | elik22 | abrotman, ok |
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| 01:27.20 | elik22 | abrotman, didnt even know it existed :P |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:27.29 | concept10 | sounds like a personal allofmp3 to me |
| 01:27.42 | elik22 | lot less populated though |
| 01:27.44 | stoned | all of mp3 sucks |
| 01:27.48 | stoned | they don't have shit |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | it is .. but they mnight know |
| 01:28.30 | k-man_ | anyone here tried freenx? |
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| 01:28.51 | jello | k-man_: nope, not a single one of us. |
| 01:29.42 | concept10 | I read once that linux loads all libraries in memory, is this the reason I have to reboot in order for a brower to recognize a new install of something such as flashplugin? |
| 01:29.45 | lindenle | abrotman: I agree but it solves his problem and then he will leave me alone ;) |
| 01:29.55 | concept10 | How do I unload a library without reboot? |
| 01:30.04 | k-man_ | jello, ok, thanks for the feedback |
| 01:30.07 | streuner | heh |
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| 01:30.45 | abrotman | lindenle: he who ? |
| 01:30.47 | jello | !tell k-man_ about anyone |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | lindenle: oh .. your friend :) |
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| 01:31.18 | k-man_ | jello, ok, good point |
| 01:31.23 | MoDaX | concept10: reboot for browser to recongnize a flash plugin??? |
| 01:31.30 | lindenle | abrotman: User ~= Freind |
| 01:32.04 | MoDaX | concept10: you even don't need to this on windows :) |
| 01:32.12 | MoDaX | to do* |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | lindenle: oh .. not a real friend even! |
| 01:32.20 | concept10 | MoDaX, ive had to do it before, and I read alot of people having to do that, im thinking the browser should unload the library when you close it |
| 01:32.28 | maddash | amphi: this is odd...somehow I'm able to echo disk properly in my recompiled etch even with massive memory use... |
| 01:32.39 | MoDaX | concept10: which browser? |
| 01:32.43 | concept10 | but firef... err iceweasel is a weird beast |
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| 01:32.49 | abrotman | concept10: no .. you don't have to do that |
| 01:33.06 | MoDaX | concept10: close weasel and reopen. that's it |
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| 01:33.23 | Draconicus | Bleehhhh... |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | make sure all iceweasel processes are dead |
| 01:33.29 | Draconicus | Here I am. Back where I started. |
| 01:33.48 | concept10 | Well, either the old library stays in memory or the new flash library is still a piece of shit |
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| 01:34.12 | abrotman | concept10: the latter |
| 01:34.27 | MoDaX | Draconicus: where did you start? :) |
| 01:34.30 | amphi | Draconicus: "In the end is my beginning..." |
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| 01:35.19 | abrotman | MoDaX: you see .. when two people love each other very much (of they've consumed a shitload of alcohol) .... |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | s/of/or/ |
| 01:35.58 | Draconicus | I've tried Meepis (EWW) and Ubuntu. I've fought with Gentoo twice (whee! emerge won't work!). Ubuntu was fun for a while, but it wanted me to do it its way and only its way - plus their pre-built kernel suddenly stopped working on this computer and I didn't feel like building my own. Gentoo... I don't know why I even used Gentoo in the first place. It all started with Debian, though. That was my first distro. That was my first re |
| 01:35.58 | Draconicus | al taste of Linux. |
| 01:36.01 | minerale | does anyone know anything about a unix utility called sar ? search and rescue ? |
| 01:36.10 | yungknight | i'm having a problem with sftp access. i uncommented the PasswordAuthentication line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config but still the same problem. does anyone have an idea or what else I should be doing? |
| 01:36.11 | Draconicus | I left Debian after I managed to screw it up horribly. |
| 01:36.13 | Draconicus | Guess what? |
| 01:36.18 | Draconicus | err.... .* |
| 01:36.27 | Draconicus | I'm back. :P |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | !blame Draconicus |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | yungknight: your actual problem might be useful |
| 01:36.59 | mphill | abrotman: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install packagename didn't recreate the files :\ |
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| 01:37.12 | abrotman | mphill: which files ? |
| 01:37.25 | MoDaX | mphill: you reinstalled wrong package then |
| 01:37.34 | concept10 | I need some help, what would be the Linux equivalent to these: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html |
| 01:37.39 | Vyrus001 | does anybody here know how to use the festtival c++ api ? |
| 01:37.49 | mphill | the package is xen-hypervisor-3.0-amd64 |
| 01:37.54 | yungknight | abrotman: yea i guess in terms of security, but i want to be able to login and edit files with dreamweaver |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | concept10: that'd be spread out over a good number of sites |
| 01:38.45 | Vyrus001 | im using the festival api to code up a small app but the libs nessisary are stored in /festiva/header... and this is a problem since the things it refrances are in /stools/headers but the libs from festival think that there in the main include dir... so what is the proper way to fix this? make symlinks of all the .h files in bolth dirs ? |
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| 01:38.53 | abrotman | mphill: what file ? |
| 01:39.01 | mphill | xen-hypervisor-3.0-amd64_3.0.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb |
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| 01:39.06 | mphill | the files of interest are in /etc/xen |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | no .. what file is missing :) |
| 01:39.17 | mphill | there is a whole directory |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | and you should be asking #ubuntu |
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| 01:39.45 | concept10 | abrotman, I know. Thats why I asked. I think Linux needs a set of stable interfaces such as these, the best of breed. |
| 01:39.46 | mphill | ok |
| 01:39.52 | MoDaX | mphill: there is no such package in debian |
| 01:39.58 | concept10 | And everyone should be contributing to them |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | mphill: the trick is to find the package that owns those files |
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| 01:40.37 | abrotman | concept10: stable .. interfaces .. linux .. you're from Mars aren't you ? |
| 01:40.37 | MoDaX | concept10: Linus thinks stable interfaces suck ;) |
| 01:40.57 | mphill | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:41.52 | jello | yungknight: there's a separate setting for root logins via ssh, is that what you're trying to do?? |
| 01:42.04 | concept10 | It was kinda quiet in here, so I brought it up for conversation sakes. I think Linux will never have huge success on the desktop until we get some stable and well documented interfaces. No one ever talks about this. |
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| 01:42.49 | MoDaX | concept10: stable == no new features |
| 01:42.57 | amphi | concept10: people _talk_ about it all the time ;) |
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| 01:43.26 | yungknight | jello: in my case i want another user to be able to login using regular ssh as well as sftp |
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| 01:44.07 | concept10 | MoDaX, I really dont mean stable as in development sense, but in a core architechture |
| 01:44.20 | jello | yungknight: can anyone use sftp?? |
| 01:44.24 | MoDaX | concept10: stable APIs? |
| 01:44.45 | yungknight | jello: no |
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| 01:45.20 | yungknight | jello: i added /usr/lib/sftp-server to /etc/ssh and i'm trying to get it to work for users |
| 01:45.20 | concept10 | amphi, people talk about the Linux desktop, but not about a _core_ architecture to build upon.. here it is 2007 and people are still working on init |
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| 01:45.42 | MoDaX | concept10: linux architecture was pretty stable. however, it badly needed hal/udev |
| 01:45.43 | jello | yungknight: try running with -vv and see what error you get |
| 01:45.47 | infest | so help me installing grub, i just want multi boot option to boot my windows. |
| 01:46.01 | yungknight | jello: running what? |
| 01:46.05 | snowbird | 303 desk tops in etct kdeh can i just ge |
| 01:46.18 | MoDaX | concept10: chicken & egg problem |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | !info apt-proxy sarge |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder development), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9.29 (sarge), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 01:46.58 | jello | yungknight: sftp -vv localhost |
| 01:47.14 | MoDaX | concept10: mac osx does not get a huge momentum either despite having "stable architecture" |
| 01:47.21 | concept10 | MoDaX, this is the Linux communities strength and weakness. Too many choices, nothing really _truly_ finished and/or polished |
| 01:47.49 | infest | anyone here knows, how to install GRUB.. |
| 01:48.06 | amphi | concept10: dunno, gnu screen is pretty polished, for example ;) |
| 01:48.07 | MoDaX | infest: grub-install /dev/something |
| 01:48.18 | infest | ah |
| 01:48.42 | concept10 | MoDaX, you have got to be kidding me.. they have huge momentum, but I think there is about as much Linux users as Mac OS X users |
| 01:49.22 | MoDaX | concept10: yes, msft is ruling the world |
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| 01:49.34 | snowbird | mc usrs were linux banned |
| 01:49.54 | snowbird | linux banned at my dsl but mac spported |
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| 01:50.06 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:50.07 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:50.23 | concept10 | MoDaX, for example, XGL - blows away microsofts and apples offerings, but its still not polished, but I applaud them for the efforts |
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| 01:50.51 | nopealicious | nihil-mf:/home/nihil/bin# dpkg -i lg3d/lg3d_java3d_1.5.0_i686.deb |
| 01:50.52 | nopealicious | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing lg3d/lg3d_java3d_1.5.0_i686.deb (--install): failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `xbindkeys': Input/output error |
| 01:50.55 | MoDaX | concept10: XGL? really? |
| 01:50.55 | nopealicious | HELP! |
| 01:50.57 | nopealicious | =S |
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| 01:51.03 | efaistos | apt-ge/le |
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| 01:51.18 | yungknight | jello: it works |
| 01:51.33 | MoDaX | concept10: maybe you had compiz/beryl in mind |
| 01:51.49 | concept10 | MoDaX, maybe so since thats what I have installed |
| 01:52.07 | concept10 | I mean beryl |
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| 01:52.29 | MoDaX | concept10: anyway, these are still alpha/beta software |
| 01:52.45 | concept10 | MoDaX, I guess time will only tell |
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| 01:53.33 | MoDaX | concept10: sucking video driver does not add to linux opengl desktop success |
| 01:53.34 | factotum | after installing the nvidia drivers for my card, should i comment out dri in my xorg.conf? |
| 01:53.39 | MoDaX | drivers* |
| 01:53.47 | yungknight | jello: well i meant it works using bash on putty, but still gives an error in other apts (like dreamweaver--with correct passwd) |
| 01:53.49 | Danamania | hrm. in etch, I shouldn't have a kernel-image-2.6.8 showing in apt-cache search kernel-image should I? |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | concept10: xgl isn't in debian :) |
| 01:53.55 | concept10 | MoDaX, look at this page and tell me what you observe: http://transmission.m0k.org/screenshots.php |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | Danamania: database will still know about it |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | Danamania: it was an upgrade from sarge ? |
| 01:54.37 | Danamania | yeah - a fresh one |
| 01:54.42 | Danamania | just done 10 minutes ago |
| 01:54.48 | jello | yungknight: what do you mean bash on putty? |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | Danamania: does it bother you ? |
| 01:55.09 | MoDaX | concept10: and your point is? |
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| 01:55.50 | yungknight | jello: after doing sftp -vv localhost from bash on the server it works fine, but if i were to try logging in from dreamweaver (which is at a different ip address) it doesn't work |
| 01:55.55 | MoDaX | concept10: the dev apparently likes mac osx more |
| 01:55.59 | concept10 | MoDaX, thats what a stable api/HIG gets you |
| 01:56.13 | Danamania | abrotman: not if it's OK just sitting there |
| 01:56.14 | jello | yungknight: do you have putty on the dreamweaver box? |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | concept10: that's what eye candy gets you .. care for some vista to go with it ? |
| 01:56.23 | yungknight | jello: yea |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | Danamania: it is |
| 01:56.24 | concept10 | MoDaX, of course, along with developer love |
| 01:56.27 | jello | yungknight: if yes, try using the putty sftp... |
| 01:56.30 | abrotman | Danamania: but etch has 2.6.18 |
| 01:56.55 | concept10 | abrotman, no thanks on vista, Im sure you will install it before me |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | concept10: he didn't tell you what them or version of X/gnome/kde/etc |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | concept10: tried it at work .. sucks donkey balls |
| 01:57.26 | MoDaX | concept10: I fail to see what stability has to do with those screenshots |
| 01:57.29 | Danamania | abrotman: aye - the packages for etch kernels have changed to linux-image-*, right? |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | concept10: brand new computer wasn't capable of "advanced" vista or whatever it's called |
| 01:57.36 | yungknight | jello: psftp works fine from the dreamweaver box |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | Danamania: yes |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | Danamania: what's your CPU ? |
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| 01:57.52 | jello | yungknight: ok, so it's all set up |
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| 01:58.05 | Danamania | powerpc - an oldworld g3 |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | eh .. linux-image-2.6-powerpc ... i think |
| 01:58.45 | MoDaX | concept10: the dev could have chosen a better gtk theme for this screenshot at least |
| 01:58.46 | amphi | abrotman: heh - beryl ran on my mobility radeon 7500 32mb card |
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| 01:58.53 | Danamania | ayup - good to know I *am* getting something right here :) |
| 01:58.58 | Danamania | abrotman: ta |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | MoDaX: i agree .. clearlooks kind of sucks if you want eye candy |
| 01:59.22 | concept10 | MoDaX, if interfaces are changing with a blink of the eye, how does someone write to one across the landscape of many GUI wrappers, etc? |
| 01:59.23 | yungknight | jello: for some strange reason it doesn't work from dreamweaver |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | concept10: wx ? |
| 01:59.50 | concept10 | abrotman, maybe so |
| 01:59.55 | jello | yungknight: can't help you there |
| 02:00.32 | Draconicus | So... |
| 02:00.34 | Pupeno | I've taken the Chicken Scheme package from Adamantix and Debianized it a bit, do you think it'd be useful to upload it somewhere ? to be in the next Debian version ? |
| 02:00.34 | MoDaX | concept10: where have you been all these years? gtk2,kde,qt3 are around for 5+ years |
| 02:00.49 | Draconicus | Is there a Debian install built around Xfce, or do I have to do that myself? |
| 02:00.53 | Pupeno | concept10: KDE turned 10 years recerntly. |
| 02:01.16 | MoDaX | Pupeno: I meant kde3 (aka stable api) |
| 02:01.22 | amphi | Draconicus: doitchaself |
| 02:01.23 | Pupeno | MoDaX: ah, ok. |
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| 02:01.30 | Draconicus | 'kay. |
| 02:01.32 | yungknight | jello: ok, thanks. it seems like the authentication process in the app itself |
| 02:01.44 | Draconicus | Never hurts to have GNOME to back things. |
| 02:01.47 | concept10 | I know these have been around for years, and I actually prefer GTK over win32/vista/kde/mac os x |
| 02:01.47 | Draconicus | Anyhoo.. |
| 02:02.19 | maddash | why? |
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| 02:03.12 | maddash | amphi: thanks for helping me before |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | MoDaX: kde isn't a toolkit |
| 02:03.21 | concept10 | I just dont understand why our apps are not as "nice looking" as mac apps made by independent developers with small teams |
| 02:03.34 | maddash | concept10: beryl. |
| 02:03.36 | MoDaX | concept10: but now linux gui is changing. opengl stuff, qt4 and kde4 promise nice improvements |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | concept10: well .. what are *you* waiting for ? |
| 02:03.57 | Draconicus | I'm changing distros and I need to back stuff in my root partition up, but I can't think of what bits. I've done a lot of modification and such. |
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| 02:04.10 | Draconicus | There's little room on my home partition. |
| 02:04.12 | amphi | maddash: you're welcome - everything up and limping along? |
| 02:04.15 | MoDaX | abrotman: yes, it isn't as a whole. but kdelibs4 is |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | qt ... |
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| 02:04.47 | maddash | amphi: yes. echo disk works fine, though only in my recompiled kernel when under a heavy load. all I've got left is to bind the key |
| 02:04.47 | maddash | s |
| 02:04.51 | MoDaX | abrotman: kdelibs4 adds much to qt |
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| 02:04.53 | amphi | Draconicus: /etc mostly, I would imagine |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | MoDaX: great .. doesn't help me or someone wanting a portable toolkit |
| 02:05.23 | mrcheeks | Hi everybody, I am new to wifi and I have trouble connecting to the internet. the card is recognized, but I wonder if I need something in the kernel for wep |
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| 02:05.46 | amphi | maddash: stop acpi with the initscript, and cat /proc/acpi/event to see what event is generated |
| 02:06.13 | concept10 | abrotman, if I had a bit of programming talent, I would be on it. I have been helping with the interface of one project |
| 02:06.14 | MoDaX | abrotman: because it was not created for this purpose |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | MoDaX: but you're advocating it |
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| 02:06.54 | daxxar | Yay, finally I got my message through to debian-user. Had to go straight to the source, and not bother with that bloody newsgroup that's supposed to be a gateway to it. Meh. |
| 02:07.25 | mrcheeks | anyone to help? I added the card to /etc/network/interfaces and installed wireless-tools |
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| 02:07.32 | amphi | mrcheeks: use iwconfig to set the key |
| 02:07.59 | mrcheeks | amphi:thanks I did that, and put it also in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:08.06 | MoDaX | abrotman: I'm not advocating it for portability |
| 02:08.08 | maddash | amphi: which script am I looking for? |
| 02:08.10 | mrcheeks | reading the iwconfig manual |
| 02:08.21 | mrcheeks | I used iwconfig essid myessid |
| 02:08.23 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: sure, that is it the correct driver? |
| 02:08.29 | mrcheeks | bwc something |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | MoDaX: don't give me that .. you want KDE everywhere! |
| 02:08.42 | mrcheeks | I didn't have to configure the driver with ndisswrapper |
| 02:08.59 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: what a chipset? |
| 02:09.02 | MoDaX | abrotman: I don't |
| 02:09.03 | mrcheeks | it is a linksys card and it got recognized when I plugged it in |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | MoDaX: of course .. there is that 'qt is sometimes non-free for developers' crap |
| 02:09.27 | amphi | maddash: you make your own, under /etc/acpi - at least that's what I did; it seems an event handler in /etc/acpi/events invoking a script in /etc/acpi is the canonical way |
| 02:09.31 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: iwlist scan, you know that? |
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| 02:10.07 | cerridwen | if you have results there next to an access point, you can be sure that it really works |
| 02:10.09 | maddash | amphi: I meant the script to stop acpi |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | concept10: i believe if the dev tried .. he could make that download dialog look very similar in the gtk sample |
| 02:10.11 | DaveyB | How do I clear my printer queue at the command line? |
| 02:10.21 | amphi | maddash: /etc/init.d/acpi stop |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | concept10: or at least .. more eye candy-ish |
| 02:10.24 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:nope I am very very new to wifi, I just bought a router yesterday and decided to buy a wireless card for my laptop |
| 02:10.33 | amphi | maddash: er, acpid |
| 02:10.50 | mrcheeks | will try that, I will reboot on debian to see about that, thanks for the help brb |
| 02:10.55 | MoDaX | abrotman: yes, what's wrong with it? |
| 02:11.11 | concept10 | abrotman, I think you may echo the attitude of Linux developers |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | MoDaX: it's not always free ? |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | concept10: not really .. he just might not know how |
| 02:11.36 | MoDaX | abrotman: I was talking about linux desktop as whole, I didn't intend to start toolkit war |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | MoDaX: don't give me that .. you wanted chicken! |
| 02:12.02 | Supaplex | free for us cheap for ... wait.. |
| 02:12.09 | maddash | amphi: /proc/acpi/event: device or resource busy. geez. |
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| 02:12.20 | amphi | maddash: did you stop acpid? |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | MoDaX: i think gtk and qt are both fine (except the sometimes non-free qt stuff) .. |
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| 02:12.53 | concept10 | abrotman, Linux developers: "lets release early, and often.. spend more time on the actual implementation, rather than the interface" .... Mac developers: "We have to make something that just WORKS(tm), nice interface that follows the proper HIG" |
| 02:12.57 | MoDaX | abrotman: yeah, I have nothing against gtk2 |
| 02:13.03 | MoDaX | neither qt3 |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | MoDaX: but yeah .. that developer is lazy :) |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | concept10: you know there's a GNOME HIG .. right ? |
| 02:13.24 | maddash | amphi: sudo acpid stop, right? that's what it returns. |
| 02:13.51 | amphi | maddash: er, /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
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| 02:14.11 | amphi | maddash: I garbled that above somewhat |
| 02:14.12 | MoDaX | abrotman: for kde4, yes |
| 02:14.26 | concept10 | abrotman, yeah, i dont think everyone follows it or even cares, plus gnome people are minimalist interface nazis |
| 02:14.27 | maddash | amphi: ohhh. ok. |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | which isn't stable yet! |
| 02:14.37 | Draconicus | amphi: "debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent" ? :P |
| 02:14.43 | MoDaX | abrotman: nobody argues that :) |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | concept10: if they're part of the GNOME project or whatever it is .. they're supposed to follow the HIG |
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| 02:15.16 | abrotman | concept10: not all GNOME/GTK apps are following the HIG |
| 02:15.27 | concept10 | abrotman, agreed |
| 02:15.32 | MoDaX | I just happen to dislike GNOME HIG :) |
| 02:15.42 | concept10 | MoDaX, agreed.. |
| 02:15.52 | concept10 | MoDaX, what irc app do you use? |
| 02:16.03 | MoDaX | concept10: konversation |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | i was going to try to drop opera and use epiphany .. but there are UI quirks in epiphany i don't like |
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| 02:16.23 | abrotman | most importantly that i can't remove the god damn close button on the tabs |
| 02:16.26 | concept10 | MoDaX, oh, forgot.. (qt nut) |
| 02:16.33 | mrcheeks | Hi again guys, I use iwlist to see the available options for the card eth1 |
| 02:16.37 | amphi | Draconicus: that just means it's got xfce on it, I guess, or maybe the 'desktop' task has been changed, dunno - how hard is aptitude install xfce anyway? |
| 02:16.41 | mrcheeks | the wep key is ok |
| 02:16.47 | mrcheeks | but still no connection |
| 02:17.07 | MoDaX | concept10: I'm using what integrates well with my desktop (KDE) |
| 02:17.09 | concept10 | MoDaX, the reason I say this is because I use Xchat, I think last year sometime, someone came out with Xchate-gnome, and it was horrible |
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| 02:18.35 | concept10 | MoDaX, I wish I could make a difference and contribute somehow (sighs while looking at gtkmm) |
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| 02:18.46 | MoDaX | concept10: xchat is gtk2, I don't see why there is a need for gnome variant |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | to have hooks into GNOME |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | instead of just being gtk |
| 02:19.22 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: you see something that looks like I am a wrt, I am sending on that channel with that mode? |
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| 02:19.41 | MoDaX | abrotman: yeah, but gui changes should be minimal |
| 02:19.49 | muhoo | gah, on etch, i'm fucked.... |
| 02:19.51 | muhoo | Unpacking cdrecord (from .../cdrecord_9%3a1.1.1-1_all.deb) ... |
| 02:19.51 | muhoo | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cdrecord_9%3a1.1.1-1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:19.54 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | MoDaX: he didn't say what he hated about it |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | !tell muhoo about overwrite |
| 02:20.06 | muhoo | thanks |
| 02:20.09 | concept10 | MoDaX, I know right... but the point was that someone (i guess) tried to redo xchat using GNOME HIG and it was nast |
| 02:20.24 | abrotman | see .. now he said what he hated :) |
| 02:20.32 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:iwlist scan says that eth1 does not support scanning, but I know all the parameters for the router |
| 02:20.58 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: does not matter if it does not support scanning |
| 02:21.04 | mrcheeks | cerriden:iwlist interface encryption knows that wep is available and that i supplied one key |
| 02:21.26 | cerridwen | sure that it is eth1? |
| 02:21.34 | mrcheeks | yes |
| 02:21.43 | concept10 | abrotman, would you pay for any software for linux ? |
| 02:21.51 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:it got added when i put the wireless card in |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | concept10: closest i came was Opera .. then they made it free |
| 02:22.00 | Thor_CMP__ | maddash, where do I get that software. xbrightness ? |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | concept10: depends what it is .. and if i needed it |
| 02:22.10 | Thor_CMP__ | i couldnt find it using apt |
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| 02:22.19 | maddash | amphi: su // cat /proc/acpi/event, rah? it's not doing anything...poor cat is just freezing there.. |
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| 02:22.30 | abrotman | concept10: give an example? .. would I pay to see AutoCAD on linux .. (i don't use it) .. but yes |
| 02:22.30 | maddash | thor_cmp__: sudo aptitude install xbrightness-gui |
| 02:22.36 | amphi | maddash: cause some events ;) |
| 02:22.47 | amphi | Thor_CMP__: or xgamma ;) |
| 02:22.47 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: you mean it supports scanning now? |
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| 02:22.56 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:nope |
| 02:23.07 | amphi | maddash: Fn-F12 produces no output? |
| 02:23.19 | cerridwen | mrcheeks: then it does not work, not the correct driver or something like that |
| 02:23.20 | concept10 | abrotman, I asked because it seems that people are willing to pay for mac stuff, but not on linux. I think this is why many developers do not port stuff over to linux |
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| 02:23.44 | abrotman | concept10: i'm not a PC gamer .. so paying for games won't work .. |
| 02:23.58 | Thor_CMP__ | apt-cache search xbrightness-gui returned nothing |
| 02:23.58 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:the driver I use is bcm43xx |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | concept10: but there are some apps that would be nice to have ported .. AutoCAD is one example .. photoshop is another i guess .. |
| 02:24.09 | maddash | amphi: whoa...cool. live output. fn+f12 produces 1 event (hkey = 100c), but none after that first event... |
| 02:24.17 | Thor_CMP__ | and neither does xgamma |
| 02:24.18 | Thor_CMP__ | =( |
| 02:24.36 | amphi | Thor_CMP__: xgamma should be there already; run it in a term |
| 02:24.40 | mrcheeks | cerridwen:I am using a linksys card |
| 02:24.57 | amphi | maddash: that's the event you should use in /etc/acpi/events/blah |
| 02:25.04 | Thor_CMP__ | amphi, yes =) how can I change de bright??? |
| 02:25.06 | maddash | thor_cmp__: open a cmd terminal, type in "xgamma" |
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| 02:25.21 | amphi | maddash: ctrl-c to kill cat and restart acpid |
| 02:25.46 | maddash | thor_cmd__: xgamma -gamma [yourvalue from 0 to 1] |
| 02:25.56 | concept10 | abrotman, I guess I could start yet another bounty site |
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| 02:26.07 | amphi | maddash: can be more than 1 ;) |
| 02:26.10 | maddash | thor_cmd__: just play around w/it for a bit |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | concept10: for what ? |
| 02:26.43 | maddash | amphi: :P |
| 02:26.52 | Thor_CMP__ | ty |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | concept10: to create an alternative to AutoCAD (and can read/write AutoCAD files) ? |
| 02:27.04 | maddash | amphi: does it matter the name of the "blah"? |
| 02:27.07 | namol | anyone using kismet and debian with an orinoco gold card? :) |
| 02:27.10 | Supaplex | maddash: close. I hear it's the sun glaring off his lcd. |
| 02:27.20 | amphi | maddash: not AFAIK |
| 02:27.38 | concept10 | abrotman, no, not for a project that large, small bounties like "Make networkmanager just work" |
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| 02:27.47 | maddash | supaplex: haha. |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | concept10: gnome has a bounty page |
| 02:28.01 | amphi | maddash: acpid reads 'em when it starts up; you can run acpid in verbose mode from the command line for debugging - acpid -dd IIRC |
| 02:28.05 | Thor_CMP__ | Supaplex, are you from brazil? |
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| 02:28.13 | Supaplex | Thor_CMP__: nope! |
| 02:28.23 | Zescom | wenas |
| 02:28.31 | maddash | amphi: gamma doesn't really chg the brightness |
| 02:28.46 | Zescom | de donde bajo lin para una pda |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | concept10: http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ |
| 02:29.04 | Supaplex | hummm gnobe bounties. kill the gnome, get cash? |
| 02:29.12 | Guerin | Zescom: english, pf |
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| 02:29.14 | amphi | maddash: no, but it kinda seems to |
| 02:29.17 | Supaplex | gnome* ;) |
| 02:29.19 | Guerin | Supaplex: if only. |
| 02:29.30 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 02:29.30 | dpkg | GNOME bites! |
| 02:29.32 | Zescom | no speak english |
| 02:29.34 | Supaplex | HAHA! |
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| 02:29.38 | namol | i'm running sarge 3.1, my kernel is 2.8.6-3-386, i have an orinoco card that is automatically found when i plug it in, however for use with kismet it won't work in monitor mode, i've tried the groups and google and nothing is showing anything useful |
| 02:29.40 | Zescom | mmm |
| 02:29.58 | maddash | amphi: LOL. so each time I update the scripts in /etc/acpi/*, I have to restart acpid? |
| 02:30.02 | Zescom | channel in spanish? |
| 02:30.07 | Supaplex | !es |
| 02:30.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:30.18 | Zescom | thanks |
| 02:30.40 | amphi | maddash: er, yes - I don't know if it responds to SIGHUP, but TFM would tell you, no doubt |
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| 02:31.15 | maddash | lol "TFM" |
| 02:31.20 | concept10 | man I used to like nat freidman, miguel and other gnome hackers but I dont trust them at all now |
| 02:32.02 | Thor_CMP__ | i wanna change the lightness of my screen... what program can I use? |
| 02:32.15 | amphi | concept10: 'miguel' is teh evi1 |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | your LCD screen ? |
| 02:32.18 | Supaplex | the knob or buttons on your monitor |
| 02:32.23 | namol | lol |
| 02:32.54 | Supaplex | oh, and for really dim results, remove all power cords and batteries. |
| 02:32.55 | concept10 | abrotman, I wonder if any of those bouties made it upstream or just suse |
| 02:33.08 | bucky | viva la reconquista! |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | concept10: do you use gnome ? |
| 02:33.14 | Thor_CMP__ | abrotman, yes, notebook |
| 02:33.24 | abrotman | Thor_CMP__: use the hardware brightness button |
| 02:33.25 | concept10 | abrotman, all day long |
| 02:33.32 | Thor_CMP__ | dont have =( |
| 02:33.36 | Guerin | concept10: you lose |
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| 02:33.38 | abrotman | concept10: should be easy for you to check then :) |
| 02:33.54 | Supaplex | Thor_CMP__: what make and model of notebook are you using? |
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| 02:34.04 | abrotman | concept10: actually .. i just tried one .. and it is in my application :) |
| 02:34.05 | Thor_CMP__ | HP dv6120 |
| 02:34.18 | concept10 | abrotman, which one? |
| 02:34.27 | Thor_CMP__ | i dont know any notebook that have lightness buttons |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | concept10: D&D file transfer with gaim |
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| 02:34.41 | abrotman | Thor_CMP__: uhm .. mine does .. and so do all the ones i've ever touched |
| 02:34.42 | maddash | thor_cmp__: http://n.ethz.ch/student/loehrerl/xbrightness-gui/index.html |
| 02:34.46 | Supaplex | you mean backlight control. |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | Fn+Home/End |
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| 02:35.01 | abrotman | Supaplex: close enough! |
| 02:35.09 | maddash | thor_cmp__: good god, just go to google.com and type in "xbrightness-gui" with "I feel lucky" |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | brighter is brighter! |
| 02:35.29 | namol | Thor_CMP__, most laptops have a key combo to adjust brightness etc |
| 02:35.40 | namol | my laptop is fn+f6 or f7 |
| 02:36.11 | Supaplex | abrotman: yup :) |
| 02:36.34 | Supaplex | echo lots > /proc/self/brightness |
| 02:36.37 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 02:36.59 | amphi | Supaplex: heh |
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| 02:37.15 | concept10 | abrotman, i just recovered a lost conversation with someone in gaim called "grand_sexy" |
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| 02:37.45 | abrotman | concept10: i don't want to know :) |
| 02:37.49 | Supaplex | concept10: get her number? or was she a minor? |
| 02:38.14 | concept10 | heh |
| 02:38.17 | Guerin | Supaplex: a 43 year-old called Neville |
| 02:38.25 | concept10 | actually, she is 35 |
| 02:38.32 | amphi | concept10: shouldn't talk to the FBI |
| 02:38.52 | concept10 | no, i didnt meet her online, I meet her in person |
| 02:38.59 | maddash | amphi: since I'm writing my own bindings, I can finally kill off package "acpi-support", right? |
| 02:39.37 | amphi | maddash: dunno - what's in it? |
| 02:40.04 | maddash | amphi: installs a bunch of scripts to /etc/acpi/events, which don't do anything... |
| 02:40.27 | concept10 | damn, I wish I could extract the little pcture that appears in the gaim window |
| 02:40.27 | Supaplex | the pirates who don't do anything </vegitales> |
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| 02:40.41 | Supaplex | concept10: ksnapshot? :) |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | concept10: you can .. |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | concept10: right click and choose "Save Icon As" |
| 02:40.59 | Supaplex | even eaiser :) |
| 02:41.27 | cld2 | during the net-inst it offers you to install somethings from a mirror. does anyone know what the contents of the "standard" packages option is? thanks. |
| 02:41.28 | concept10 | ah, thanks... |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | concept10: damn intuitive contextual menus |
| 02:42.10 | amphi | maddash: in that case, perhaps yes |
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| 02:42.22 | abrotman | Danamania: i'm dizzy .. can we stop now? |
| 02:42.26 | Danamania | ok |
| 02:42.29 | maddash | amphi: yay. bye bye useless package... |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:43.09 | concept10 | abrotman, http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grandsexydm8.png |
| 02:43.15 | concept10 | its still small |
| 02:43.25 | Supaplex | size matters :( |
| 02:43.44 | amphi | concept10: what makes you think that is your interlocutor? ;) |
| 02:43.47 | Danamania | the world feels good again |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | concept10: that's not a natural blonde |
| 02:44.04 | concept10 | abrotman, of course not, shes black |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | concept10: i just noticed the roots |
| 02:44.31 | Supaplex | and his sholders are big |
| 02:44.34 | Supaplex | I mean her |
| 02:44.37 | concept10 | heh! |
| 02:44.50 | Supaplex | ;-D |
| 02:45.36 | concept10 | Supaplex, shes actually really nice, but lived to far for me and had too many problems |
| 02:45.45 | maddash | amphi: haha. why? |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | concept10: don't you live in KY .. and everyone is related ? |
| 02:45.55 | concept10 | Supaplex, far as in 30 min drive |
| 02:46.00 | amphi | maddash: I was joking |
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| 02:46.20 | concept10 | abrotman, nope, lol. |
| 02:46.41 | maddash | amphi: I know, but why "fall over"? the center of gravity is well within the area of the base... |
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| 02:47.04 | amphi | maddash: it's a metaphor |
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| 02:48.25 | Supaplex | concept10: she's cool, but that's too bad huh :-/. |
| 02:48.41 | cld2 | sorry keep asking. does anyone know where to find documentation on what packages get installed from the "mirror" option of the net install? like the standard or laptop or desktop sets of packages? thanks. |
| 02:48.55 | concept10 | abrotman, gaim is actually a nice piece of free software |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | cld2: i think aptitude |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | concept10: i agree! |
| 02:49.38 | concept10 | abrotman, but I dont use it much, I have no buddies (sniff) |
| 02:49.50 | cld2 | abrotman: this is before aptitude is installed. but excuse my ignorance, is there a "meta package, or package group" section of aptitude? thanks. |
| 02:49.54 | Supaplex | he had one, but she dumped him :( |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | cld2: that's using tasksel |
| 02:50.07 | sint | hey, i get a strange error while updating apt: http://rafb.net/p/dV60KF26.html |
| 02:50.26 | Supaplex | time to call Xfiles |
| 02:50.31 | sint | is there something i can do? |
| 02:51.06 | cld2 | abrotman: thanks very much |
| 02:51.07 | concept10 | Supaplex, yeah, actually she did. She got made at me because I "tried to tell her what to do" doesnt matter, i got the pussy, she can go to hell |
| 02:51.22 | cld2 | so I can after the fact install a task, is what it looks like? |
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| 02:51.32 | abrotman | cld2: give me a moment |
| 02:52.05 | sint | ok, i don't know what i have done, but it works |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | cld2: tasksel --list-tasks .. and tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 02:52.25 | cld2 | abrotman: tasksel --list-tasks dns-server shows all the packages to be installed |
| 02:52.29 | abrotman | cld2: if i understood your question correctly :) |
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| 02:52.40 | cld2 | hehe. thanks very much for that. yeah very very helpful. thanks. |
| 02:52.42 | sint | anyway, what is means if a package contains a "v"? |
| 02:52.42 | sint | is it virtual? |
| 02:52.51 | maddash | amphi: just curious, did you create your own bindings? |
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| 02:52.59 | amphi | maddash: yeah |
| 02:53.03 | cld2 | I was wanting to know what the standard task was installing on my machine. |
| 02:53.14 | maddash | amphi: do you go straight to "echo disk > /..."? |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | cld2: did that help you ? |
| 02:53.23 | Frew | Does anyone know the package name for visudo? |
| 02:53.26 | maddash | amphi: or do you go thru all the scripts in suspend.d? |
| 02:53.35 | cld2 | abrotman: yeah very much! thanks. |
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| 02:53.42 | amphi | maddash: I stop some crap like the linuxant driver |
| 02:53.55 | amphi | maddash: suspend.d? ;) |
| 02:53.55 | concept10 | Supaplex, actually very easy, stick around I might give you some tips :) |
| 02:54.01 | cld2 | Frew: visudo should come with the sudo pkg |
| 02:54.05 | Sushi- | well I decided to go with debian..all I need to do is figure out how to update everything before I go any further |
| 02:54.21 | maddash | amphi: /etc/acpi/suspend.d/... |
| 02:54.22 | Frew | cld2 - Thanks. |
| 02:54.40 | amphi | maddash: I don't have that ;) |
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| 02:54.57 | cld2 | Frew: np. if you do dpkg -S /path/to/questionable/file it will tell you what package it came from. |
| 02:55.05 | maddash | nice |
| 02:55.09 | concept10 | Supaplex, the amount of stuff I get away with is almost tragic sometimes. |
| 02:55.32 | Frew | cld2: Nice tip. Thanks. |
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| 02:56.12 | cld2 | Frew: welcome. abrotman showed me that a few days ago. |
| 02:56.15 | sint | anyone know how to install mysqli for php5 on debian? |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | cld2: don't blame me! |
| 02:56.30 | Supaplex | apt-get install system-administrator |
| 02:56.34 | Frew | cld2: Nice - Pass it forward, hehe. |
| 02:56.35 | Supaplex | ewps ;) |
| 02:56.36 | sint | the package go an "v"!?? what does this mean? |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | cld2: oh .. wait .. i did that ? :) |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | !tell Frew about search |
| 02:56.56 | cld2 | abrotman: yeah, you are the only reason I can figure anything out in debian. |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:57.01 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 02:57.15 | cld2 | sweet |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | cld2: just wait til i turn 12! |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | i'll know everything! |
| 02:57.32 | cld2 | its the hormones the meat. |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:57.52 | malsyned_ | Is there anyway, in a script defined for DPkg::Post-Invoke, to find out the operation dpkg was invoked to perform or the packages it performed that operation on? |
| 02:58.08 | Frew | Hey - What bot is that? |
| 02:58.14 | sint | can anyone please tell me what a "v" on a package means? |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | Frew: it's a blootbot |
| 02:58.38 | malsyned_ | sint, in aptitude search output, it's a virtual package |
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| 02:59.00 | sint | malsyned_: is there a way to install it? |
| 02:59.13 | Frew | Bots are cool. |
| 02:59.34 | malsyned_ | sint, yeah, just the usual aptitude install process. A default real package will be selected to provide the virtual package. |
| 03:01.02 | sint | malsyned_: hm, it ends up with this output: No candidate version found for php5-mysqli |
| 03:01.17 | Frew | abrotman: Hey, bot - How much do you know? Do you know the difference between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin or the difference between /usr and /usr/local for that matter ? |
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| 03:01.32 | sint | but i need this badly :( |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | Frew: i'm not a bot :) |
| 03:01.49 | dvs | abrotman: but you're here all the time. ;-) |
| 03:01.49 | Frew | You sure? |
| 03:01.50 | abrotman | Frew: stuff in /usr/local/ isn't used by debian .. it's for the admin for local installations |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | Frew: i'm squishy .. wear an umbrella hat and have cake on my butt |
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| 03:02.37 | Supaplex | so change the diaper already |
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| 03:02.49 | Guerin | if abrotman is a bot, I want to meet his author |
| 03:02.49 | Frew | Oh, you're just running the bot. Sorry, just woke up. |
| 03:03.05 | malsyned_ | sint, I don't know enough about that package to know why there's no real package available to provide it. |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | Frew: no .. it's not my bot |
| 03:03.08 | cld2 | sint: I think when you install php5 it comes with both the mysql and mysqli modules. its just a matter of which one you use in the php.ini file. |
| 03:03.11 | Supaplex | Guerin: the bot is the author. ;) it invented itself. |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | Supaplex: no .. there's a picture of me with actual cake on my butt |
| 03:03.30 | abrotman | Supaplex: from a wedding |
| 03:03.34 | Supaplex | abrotman: I'll take your word for it. :) |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | Supaplex: ask damog some day :) |
| 03:03.44 | sint | cld2: ok, than i'm checking the ini |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | oh wait .. i have it! |
| 03:04.10 | Supaplex | does buildd use uupdate? how does that process get fed? |
| 03:04.24 | stoned | bit |
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| 03:05.50 | malsyned_ | no DPkg:;Post-Invoke experts about tonight, huh? |
| 03:05.56 | linux_jones | so im having trouble with my new sandisk mp3 player, i posted some importint info at http://pastebin.ca/309909 ny help would be awesome |
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| 03:06.09 | cld2 | sint: do this - find / -name mysqli.so |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | malsyned_: say what ? |
| 03:06.49 | sint | cld2: nothing :( |
| 03:06.59 | cld2 | sint: in the php.ini file you need to edit the extension_dir to point to that file. |
| 03:07.05 | cld2 | doh. did you do it with sudo? |
| 03:07.07 | malsyned_ | abrotman, I'm trying to figure out how, in a post-invoke script, to tell what dpkg operation was performed and to what packages |
| 03:07.10 | sint | ya |
| 03:07.24 | Supaplex | sint: apt-file search mysqli.so |
| 03:07.33 | abrotman | malsyned_: like you want it to echo lines executed etc ? |
| 03:07.35 | sint | i'm root |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | LOOK OUT! |
| 03:07.49 | dvs | what? |
| 03:07.53 | Supaplex | pheer sint ;) |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | he's root |
| 03:07.57 | dvs | ahhhhhhhh! |
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| 03:08.17 | abrotman | Danamania: because debian works .. or because we're silly ? |
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| 03:08.24 | sint | Supaplex: have to install apt-file first ;) |
| 03:08.30 | malsyned_ | abrotman, yeah, that kind of thing. My eventual goal is to have /etc under darcs, and have the post-invoke script add new files and create a log message based on the packages that were added or removed. |
| 03:08.32 | Danamania | the latter is feeding my joy over the former :) |
| 03:08.50 | cld2 | wow apt-file this is great! |
| 03:09.00 | abrotman | isn't darcs a distributed VCS ? |
| 03:09.12 | cld2 | can someone tell me what darcs is? |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | !darcs |
| 03:09.17 | dpkg | [darcs] a revision control system build on top of the patch theory,http://www.darcs.net/ |
| 03:09.18 | sint | cld2: i'm not into debian so much, its just running on this server |
| 03:09.30 | malsyned_ | The part I'm stuck on now is creating that log message. the script isn't passed any arguments and no environment variables are provided. |
| 03:09.34 | Supaplex | abrotman: yea, I think RT just aquired one. I forget what its called. |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | malsyned_: perhaps try asking #debian-mentors (might be on OFTC) |
| 03:09.42 | cld2 | abrotman: thanks again. i see it talked about in the #ion channel also. |
| 03:09.46 | abrotman | Supaplex: RT ? |
| 03:09.49 | sint | Supaplex: apt-file returns nothing. do i have to do something after install first? |
| 03:10.03 | malsyned_ | sint, apt-file update |
| 03:10.06 | sint | k |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | malsyned_: or email the debian-devel mailing list |
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| 03:11.26 | malsyned_ | Yeah, darcs has distributed features, but it's also a pretty low-impact way to get a directory into revision-control. It doesn't require a separate repository - every sandbox is a repository. minimum setup. |
| 03:11.36 | malsyned_ | abrotman, what's the difference between #debian and #debian-mentors? |
| 03:11.41 | sint | ok, it tells me: php5-mysql: usr/lib/php5/20060613/mysqli.so but i only have /usr/lib/php5/20051025/mysql.so |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | malsyned_: of course .. the really cool thing would be to have a verbose option for dpkg |
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| 03:11.48 | Guerin | malsyned_: the /topic will tell you |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | malsyned_: the people there help with packaging for packaging newbies |
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| 03:12.18 | Supaplex | !rt |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | malsyned_: so is RCS :) |
| 03:12.31 | Supaplex | dpkg: RT is Request Tracker |
| 03:12.31 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 03:12.48 | satHan | anybody know of the opengl / libgl1-mesa xserver crash is fixed upstream yet? |
| 03:13.01 | abrotman | which crash ? |
| 03:13.10 | Supaplex | which bug number? |
| 03:13.17 | satHan | it takes down the whole x server when you start an opengl app |
| 03:13.22 | satHan | dunno its all over the BTS |
| 03:13.23 | malsyned_ | abrotman, yeah, plus move/rename tracking and you don't have ,v files all over the place. |
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| 03:13.35 | sint | Supaplex: if the apt-file found the file and i can't find it on my hd, what i have to do next? installing it? but how? |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | malsyned_: the ,v are in the repository .. not the client |
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| 03:15.13 | Dunedan | How can I force vsftpd to run under to user defined in nopriv_user? |
| 03:15.31 | Guerin | Dunedan: i think this is documented in TFM |
| 03:15.46 | malsyned_ | oh, I didn't know RCS had any kind of notion of a repository. I'm mostly ignorant of it. |
| 03:15.49 | Dunedan | I thought that too. But I can't find it. |
| 03:16.08 | Guerin | mm, I have made vsftpd do it, though I no longer have that box up |
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| 03:16.13 | abrotman | malsyned_: uhm .. i think it does .. though i've not used it in a while .. i know CVS is as i described |
| 03:16.27 | sint | cld2: could it be, that i have a wrong apt-tree, so mysqli is not avaible to me? |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | use postgresql! :) |
| 03:16.41 | Guerin | Dunedan: you mean you want to invoke the daemon as that user, or you'd be happy to invoke it as root, and have it drop privilege itself? |
| 03:17.30 | Dunedan | Guerin: The latter option. |
| 03:17.30 | cld2 | sint: ? im no expert. do you have the backports.org stuff? because that package you listed as having mysqli.so is newer then the one debian gets from a lamp install. |
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| 03:18.59 | sint | cld2: ya i have backports! but it seems not to be there |
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| 03:19.01 | sint | i need some kind of ultranew apttree ;) |
| 03:19.02 | Supaplex | abrotman: what was it you were looking for again? Maybe I assumed the wrong thing. |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | Supaplex: cows |
| 03:19.03 | cld2 | sint: I dont know then. sorry. you could try getting the ub**tu version it has the mysqli.so installed |
| 03:19.03 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 03:19.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:19.04 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 03:19.05 | Supaplex | abrotman: there you go. |
| 03:19.06 | sint | cld2: i can add ub**tu to source.list? |
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| 03:19.07 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | don't mix |
| 03:19.08 | sint | wow |
| 03:19.10 | cld2 | there you go. no. |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | don't mix versions of debian .. and certainly don't mix distros |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | we don't like ferrari parts in our volvos |
| 03:19.33 | linux_jones | can anyone help me with a mp3 player problem? details are at http://pastebin.ca/309909 |
| 03:19.59 | Supaplex | you'll get a distro milkshake. |
| 03:20.10 | spyro_boy | Are there any debian snobs here that are actually helpful that'll answer me when I ask "Why doesn't the debian install load and just hangs?" or is this channel full of shit like every other distro specific channel? |
| 03:20.13 | cld2 | abrotman: excellent analogy. |
| 03:20.23 | Guerin | spyro_boy: fuck off, twat. |
| 03:20.27 | abrotman | yeah .. debian is like a volov :) |
| 03:20.31 | Guerin | spyro_boy: does that answer your meta-question? |
| 03:20.39 | cld2 | spyro_boy: shit id say |
| 03:20.39 | spyro_boy | Guerin, no. |
| 03:20.40 | sint | i don't care about mixing, i just need a mysqli :( i think mixing distros is not the best way, but debian does not support the latest stuff |
| 03:20.52 | pipeline | sint: Debian stable isn't supposed to :X |
| 03:20.53 | Guerin | spyro_boy: the answer to the actual question is `we can't know without further information.' |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | spyro_boy: here's a hint for you .. when you walk into a room .. and piss off everyone there right off the bat .. what do you think will happen ? |
| 03:21.07 | Supaplex | spyro_boy: you ask a question like that anywhere, and what do you expect? |
| 03:21.19 | spyro_boy | Well |
| 03:21.22 | cld2 | spyro_boy: are you asking why does? it load and hang or why doesn't? |
| 03:21.23 | sint | pipeline: how to get it unstable than? |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | oh no! |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | don't do it! |
| 03:21.31 | pipeline | sint: unstable is not a good idea |
| 03:21.41 | pipeline | sint: testing is only a good idea because it's mostly, uh, "Done" |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | linux_jones: is that your own kernel ? |
| 03:21.51 | spyro_boy | Every other time I've came in here with incredibly specific problems, nobody helped me and gave me incredibly off-topic solutions. |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | so you make assumptions ? |
| 03:22.18 | Draconicus | So... Why does testing have 22 CD torrents? |
| 03:22.19 | spyro_boy | Indeed I do. |
| 03:22.20 | linux_jones | abrotman, no, sarge |
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| 03:22.20 | sint | pipeline: ok, than what is backports? is this unstable or testing or just nothing of both? |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | inflamatory no less |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | linux_jones: is sd_mod and usb_storage loaded ? |
| 03:22.34 | pipeline | sint: "backports" is a third party effort to port new software to "stable" |
| 03:22.40 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 03:22.40 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 03:22.49 | Guerin | spyro_boy: the quality of the responses you get in here is a function of the quality of your questions and attitude towards solving them yourself, so I rather doubt your questions were substantially better than the responses you got. |
| 03:22.51 | linux_jones | there is lsmod on that pastebin, but ill check real quick |
| 03:22.54 | Supaplex | heh he left quick. poor fool. |
| 03:23.05 | Guerin | ah well |
| 03:23.21 | abrotman | i think last time he was asking ubuntu questions ... |
| 03:23.21 | sint | pipeline: ok than, i need testing! how to add this? |
| 03:23.38 | abrotman | linux_jones: unplug/replug the device |
| 03:23.41 | Guerin | Draconicus: because it's really reall big? |
| 03:23.41 | sint | pipeline: is it just change the source.list file? |
| 03:23.48 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 03:23.48 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 03:23.52 | Guerin | Draconicus: ā |
| 03:23.58 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 03:24.14 | Supaplex | wth? haha |
| 03:24.15 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18676 packages, 1721 maintainers, 40904 MB installed size, 13365 MB compressed size. |
| 03:24.17 | Thor_CMP__ | i couldnt change the lightness yet... anyone knows another program to change it? |
| 03:24.41 | linux_jones | abrotman, it has never worked |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | linux_jones: oh .. do other USB devices work ? |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | linux_jones: uname -a |
| 03:25.02 | abrotman | linux_jones: update-usbids |
| 03:25.15 | abrotman | linux_jones: faster! |
| 03:25.18 | abrotman | linux_jones: slowpoke! |
| 03:25.21 | linux_jones | haha |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | be nice if they'd put update-pciids and update-usbids in cron.monthly |
| 03:26.01 | linux_jones | Linux laptop 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Thu Sep 14 08:44:58 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:26.30 | abrotman | did update-usbids run ? |
| 03:26.31 | Guerin | 2.6 FTW |
| 03:26.33 | linux_jones | yes |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | linux_jones: what's your CPU ? |
| 03:26.47 | abrotman | linux_jones: try to unplug/replug again |
| 03:26.48 | linux_jones | 1.3 gig intel |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | Supaplex: put down the smokes |
| 03:27.04 | sint | can anyone tell me how to get the testing tree in a simple and easy way? |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | linux_jones: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | !tell sint about sarge->etch |
| 03:27.38 | linux_jones | abrotman, i think 2.6 has issues with my laptop |
| 03:27.53 | abrotman | i think your laptop sucks |
| 03:27.59 | linux_jones | me too |
| 03:28.18 | sint | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:28.34 | sint | just one more question: what is non-local? |
| 03:28.37 | sint | internets? |
| 03:28.55 | Guerin | sint: depends on context |
| 03:29.10 | Guerin | sint: strictly it means `not on this computer' |
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| 03:29.21 | linux_jones | abrotman, i get the same thing in dmesg without all the vendor and type stuff |
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| 03:29.34 | sint | ok, than i change any line that seems to be a source from the internets :) |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | linux_jones: without ? |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | of course .. it'll probably not boot .. and then he'll cry |
| 03:30.04 | Guerin | yes, 2.4 was a bit more retarded with USB than 2.6 |
| 03:30.08 | linux_jones | abrotman, |
| 03:30.09 | abrotman | and i'll be in bed .. :) |
| 03:30.39 | linux_jones | i have to shut off acpi in 2.6 |
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| 03:31.19 | abrotman | that's okay .. |
| 03:31.29 | abrotman | acpi=off |
| 03:31.32 | linux_jones | so i should go for it anyway? |
| 03:31.38 | Supaplex | !say abrotman: Shall I join you in bed? purrRRrrr... ;) |
| 03:31.38 | dpkg | abrotman: Shall I join you in bed? purrRRrrr... ;) |
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| 03:31.52 | Eclipser | lame! |
| 03:31.54 | abrotman | back off fucko! |
| 03:32.07 | linux_jones | how do i make that permenant? |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | linux_jones: options in your bootloader |
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| 03:36.09 | Dunedan | Another problem with vsftpd: I wanna connect with an virtual user. pam says "granted access", but vsftpd returned "530 Login incorrect". Any suggestions? |
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| 03:36.38 | Azar | good day honorables |
| 03:36.49 | NaufraGo | can I install linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 ? |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | NaufraGo: what version of linux is that ? |
| 03:38.08 | NaufraGo | hmm, 2.6.14 ? no idea.. |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | apt-get update .. apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:38.35 | abrotman | or are you asking where to get the older version ? |
| 03:38.45 | NaufraGo | no |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | 2.6.14 isn't currently in any version of debian |
| 03:39.54 | Azar | ..used to be in testing last year |
| 03:39.57 | NaufraGo | look. I use an nvidia video card.. so I looked for its drivers, and there're some driver for specific kernels, mine (2.4..) and 2.6.14-2-686. you see? |
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| 03:40.02 | sint | YA!!! it works! |
| 03:40.11 | sint | i got the mysqli! you guys rock |
| 03:40.12 | sint | :) |
| 03:40.16 | sint | thanks all |
| 03:40.28 | Azar | NaufraGo: why would you use nvidia drivers.. from outside debs ? |
| 03:40.48 | NaufraGo | mm, non-free |
| 03:40.52 | Azar | NaufraGo: you do not only have to match this way the kernel, but the gcc too |
| 03:41.07 | Azar | NaufraGo: using etch? |
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| 03:41.46 | cld2 | I know ive asked this before but I just want to make sure. If i install etch once it goes stable can I just do an apt-get upgrade and become stable? |
| 03:41.51 | NaufraGo | mm I don't know so much about this.. I use sarge, stable I supose |
| 03:42.09 | n3kl | Anyone know what port windows makes dns queries on? |
| 03:42.16 | Guerin | n3kl: wtf? |
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| 03:42.27 | n3kl | Guerin: ? |
| 03:42.31 | cld2 | n3kl: 53? just like everyone else |
| 03:42.35 | Azar | cld2: depends how you set up your apt sources... if you set them as "testing" oopsydoo you go far away from etch when it becomes stable |
| 03:42.36 | Guerin | n3kl: your question makes no sense. |
| 03:42.36 | n3kl | udp? |
| 03:42.44 | Guerin | n3kl: nameds run on 53. |
| 03:42.47 | Guerin | everywhere |
| 03:43.14 | Frew | I was wondering something about stable, testing, unstable too. If you run in non-stable, then a package moves to stable, does that mean you can't get that package anymore? |
| 03:43.18 | NaufraGo | Azar, any comment? |
| 03:43.20 | cld2 | Azar: so the day the stable switch gets flipped i just need to update my sources? |
| 03:43.20 | Azar | NaufraGo: if you use sarge, use the nvidia one-liner from dpkg /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner and you dont need a higher than 2.6.8 default kernel |
| 03:43.32 | Guerin | !etch upgrade path |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that etch has stabilised: If your sources.list says "sarge" you'll stay with sarge. If it says "etch", you'll upgrade to etch. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to etch, the new stable. If it says "testing", your etch boxwill upgrade to lenny, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 03:43.52 | Azar | cld2: all you need to do, if you are using etch , name your sources as "etch" not as "testing" |
| 03:43.54 | Guerin | cld2: despite etch not quite being frozen yet, that's how it'll work ā |
| 03:44.07 | magyar | how can i use the X1000 radeon cards in etch? |
| 03:44.16 | Azar | cld2: look in /etc/apt/sources.list file and see how your sources are set to point at .. ? |
| 03:44.42 | cld2 | Azar, Guerin: thanks very much. |
| 03:44.50 | Azar | lenny!!! I love the name |
| 03:45.06 | Azar | debian lenny, yep nice name |
| 03:45.10 | NaufraGo | Azar, the first thing I wanna do is upgrade my kernel to 2.6 so, I don't want problems with my video card doing that. one-line will help me then? |
| 03:45.11 | Guerin | dpkg, etch upgrade path =~ s/work now that/will work once/ |
| 03:45.11 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 03:45.27 | Azar | NaufraGo: are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:45.45 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 03:46.04 | Azar | NaufraGo: if you use a 2.4.x kernel, firstly: if you did not install "aptitude" install it: apt-get install aptitude |
| 03:46.28 | NaufraGo | it's installed |
| 03:46.33 | Azar | then check the best arch kernel for your box with: apt-cache search kernel-image, it gonna give you a list |
| 03:46.41 | dvs | How do I print the output of a program in php? |
| 03:47.00 | Guerin | dvs: why the fuck would you not ask this question in #php? |
| 03:47.02 | Supaplex | #php |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | NaufraGo: i told you how |
| 03:47.16 | Guerin | i mean, there's being stupid enough to use php, then there's this ... |
| 03:47.16 | Azar | NaufraGo: when you are sure which kernel you want : aptitude install kernel-image as seen on the list, make sure is a 2.6.8. |
| 03:47.28 | NaufraGo | abrotman, what? |
| 03:47.29 | cld2 | Guerin: whats wrong with php? |
| 03:47.29 | Azar | php sux |
| 03:47.35 | abrotman | apt-get update .. apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:47.39 | Frew | What's better than php? |
| 03:47.49 | Azar | abrotman: why not aptitude? |
| 03:47.59 | Supaplex | Frew: chocolate |
| 03:48.06 | Azar | perl rulez |
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| 03:48.11 | abrotman | dvs: cp <yourfile>.php <yourfile>.phps .. point browser at phps file .. print! |
| 03:48.18 | Frew | Chocolate is for girls. |
| 03:48.26 | NaufraGo | mm, so.. the suggested way? |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | i just told you! |
| 03:48.32 | dvs | abrotman: gee... thanks. :-( |
| 03:48.37 | abrotman | dvs: what?! |
| 03:48.37 | Supaplex | so is php :P |
| 03:48.48 | abrotman | dvs: doesn't work ? |
| 03:48.48 | Azar | NaufraGo: what abrotman said, only if you like use aptitude install instead of apt-get install |
| 03:48.48 | NaufraGo | abrotman there're 2 suggestions :) |
| 03:48.48 | Guerin | cld2: ask Stefan Esser |
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| 03:49.00 | Guerin | cld2: http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/82500 |
| 03:49.01 | NaufraGo | ok.. |
| 03:49.08 | Azar | NaufraGo: aptitude command is an enhanced to apt-get |
| 03:49.15 | NaufraGo | which is aptitude function? |
| 03:49.17 | cld2 | Guerin: thanks. |
| 03:49.38 | Azar | NaufraGo: is like apt-get only is said to work better with dependencies |
| 03:50.01 | Azar | so either "apt-get" or "aptitude" install.. what abrotman said to you |
| 03:50.02 | Frew | Why does it always seem like "stable" is so far behind? For example, the stable Firefox is 1.0.4... That's lame. |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 03:50.12 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 03:50.14 | Azar | me loves Sarge |
| 03:50.20 | NaufraGo | mm, let's try aptitude :P |
| 03:50.21 | Guerin | Frew: it's *stable* - it hasn't changed since june 2005 |
| 03:50.32 | abrotman | though .. that's actually FF1.0.7 |
| 03:50.34 | Guerin | Frew: this is a feature, not a bug. |
| 03:50.37 | Azar | and will never change |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | stable will change .. sarge won't |
| 03:50.49 | Frew | Clarified - Thank you. |
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| 03:50.56 | Azar | yeah Sarge.. |
| 03:51.20 | NaufraGo | Azar, will I have compatibilities, drivers problems with my video card? |
| 03:51.24 | Frew | They should call it "static" and "dynamic"... |
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| 03:51.38 | Guerin | Frew: those things already have meanings, though. |
| 03:51.50 | abrotman | stable/testing/unstable . don't work ? |
| 03:51.53 | Azar | NaufraGo: no only if you use lilo watch for the recommends at kernel install... no biggie, before rebooting you need to enter initrd in lilo |
| 03:51.55 | cld2 | to much programming co-notation |
| 03:52.05 | abrotman | they oculd call them server/workstation/developer |
| 03:52.06 | Guerin | Frew: for instance, a branch called `static' would be interpreted by most developers to mean `not built against shared libraries' which is misleading. |
| 03:52.09 | Frew | Static = doesn't change & Dynamic = does change |
| 03:52.27 | cld2 | I like stable. thats how I sold debian to the people at work... "look guys it has the word STABLE in its name, how can you go wrong" |
| 03:52.48 | amphi | Frew: sounds like linking |
| 03:52.49 | Azar | NaufraGo: if you use grub, it is "said" that it takes care of new kernels... mmmm it is said |
| 03:53.25 | Frew | Stable, testing, and unstable is more misleading... Why would you be talking about libraries when referring to differences between distributions? |
| 03:53.34 | Azar | cld2: not sure when, but soon (I am thinking one-two months) etch goes stable. |
| 03:53.41 | Dembug | hello all, ive been recommended to use the RTC function for modifying the frequency that a process cycles - is there any way to see if RTC is present in my installed kernel? |
| 03:53.41 | Guerin | Frew: in what way are they unstable? |
| 03:53.51 | Frew | You mean misleading? |
| 03:53.53 | Guerin | meh |
| 03:53.59 | Guerin | s/unstable/misleading |
| 03:54.02 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:54.05 | cld2 | Azar: cool. thanks for the info. Ive been holding off on upgrading but I cant wait any longer. |
| 03:54.08 | Guerin | i suffer from a lack of tea |
| 03:54.08 | abrotman | rtc.ko |
| 03:54.12 | multi_io | aptitude fails to print error messages: http://paste.debian.net/19676 |
| 03:54.15 | Dembug | ta abrotman |
| 03:54.16 | abrotman | !beer Guerin |
| 03:54.21 | Guerin | mm |
| 03:54.28 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 03:54.28 | Guerin | i have to go and make laap soon |
| 03:54.29 | multi_io | (the package wasn't installed) |
| 03:54.50 | Dembug | excellent :D its there |
| 03:54.50 | Frew | Guerin: Blame Windows... When you think of stable and unstable software, you think of software with or without bugs. |
| 03:54.50 | Guerin | laap goes with beer very well indeed |
| 03:54.51 | Dembug | thx abrotman :) |
| 03:54.51 | multi_io | nothing in /var/log/dpkg.log either |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | Dembug: i'm not sure that's actually what you're looking for .. i just know that exists :) |
| 03:55.05 | Dembug | hah :D no sounds right ot me actually abrotman :) thx dude |
| 03:55.09 | Dembug | *to |
| 03:55.13 | Guerin | Frew: the point of stable is that it has a *known* set of bugs which have mostly been eliminated or can be mitigated, so it fits that definition. |
| 03:55.29 | Dembug | now i just have to work out how to use the rtc function without crashing my production server |
| 03:55.30 | Dembug | ;| |
| 03:55.39 | abrotman | multi_io: what's wrong with it ? |
| 03:55.39 | Guerin | there's practically no software without bugs - except qmail, of course. |
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| 03:55.47 | Guerin | which was perfect the day it was written |
| 03:55.53 | Azar | cld2: if you upgrade to etch try to stay "conservative" with desktop gadgets until etch goes officially stable, there still are bugs that are being checked/fixed |
| 03:56.17 | dvs | abrotman: I got help in another channel </snobby newbie> |
| 03:56.28 | abrotman | dvs: what? what i told you didn't work ? |
| 03:56.31 | cld2 | Azar: im using ion, its as Conservative as you can get for a WM, but thanks for the tip. |
| 03:56.40 | Frew | I guess since I work in the mental health field - stable and unstable mean something different to me. |
| 03:56.41 | dvs | abrotman: not quite what I was looking for. |
| 03:56.43 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:56.46 | Guerin | Frew: heh. |
| 03:56.49 | abrotman | dvs: i only read half your question :) |
| 03:56.57 | abrotman | dvs: you got my half-assed answer |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | LARP ? |
| 03:57.09 | Azar | Guerin's lap? |
| 03:57.12 | cld2 | live action role playing? |
| 03:57.20 | multi_io | abrotman: the package wasn't installed |
| 03:57.23 | Dembug | lal |
| 03:57.24 | Frew | "Tons of people LARP." |
| 03:57.38 | abrotman | multi_io: maybe it just did it really fast! |
| 03:57.48 | abrotman | multi_io: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-doc | tail -1 |
| 03:57.50 | multi_io | abrotman: no |
| 03:58.08 | multi_io | it would've said "Setting up libgtk2.0-doc..." |
| 03:58.19 | multi_io | abrotman: it's not installed, believe me :) |
| 03:58.42 | abrotman | multi_io: if you go to your aptitude cache and do a dpkg -i .. does it do it ? |
| 03:58.43 | NaufraGo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.51 | NaufraGo | Aza |
| 03:58.52 | rhsanborn | Sorry to ask a non-highly technical question, but does anyone know of a website that might list some linux games that are slightly dated (i.e. lower spec) I have an older IBM thinkpad, so it has a slower CPU (1GHz) and pretty limited graphics |
| 03:58.54 | NaufraGo | Azar |
| 03:58.57 | Dembug | does anybody know any decent guides for using RTC in debian? |
| 03:59.04 | Dembug | i cant find any other than http://developer.osdl.org/dev/robustmutexes/src/fusyn.hg/Documentation/rtc.txt |
| 03:59.06 | Azar | NaufraGo: why 2.6.18? I said 2.6.8 |
| 03:59.10 | Dembug | which actually comes with the src :D |
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| 03:59.15 | Frew | So, can you download the unstable distribution? |
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| 03:59.18 | multi_io | abrotman: the deb is not in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:59.27 | abrotman | multi_io: or is there an exit 0 in any of the control scripts ? |
| 03:59.29 | NaufraGo | I typed 2.6-686 |
| 03:59.36 | abrotman | NaufraGo: that's what you should use |
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| 03:59.43 | Azar | NaufraGo: look for a kernel-image that is a 2.6.8 |
| 03:59.48 | abrotman | NaufraGo: you're on sarge or etch ? |
| 03:59.51 | abrotman | Azar: hold up a sec |
| 03:59.51 | NaufraGo | sarge |
| 03:59.59 | abrotman | NaufraGo: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | or aptitude |
| 04:00.14 | NaufraGo | abrotman I typed that but it didn't work |
| 04:00.17 | Azar | 686? what arch is he using? |
| 04:00.20 | NaufraGo | did you read the error? |
| 04:00.22 | abrotman | sounds mixed |
| 04:00.51 | NaufraGo | I use 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 04:00.57 | xomhau | hi all |
| 04:01.45 | Azar | NaufraGo: then you should get a kernel-image of 2.6.8-2-386 what cpu are you using? |
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| 04:01.57 | NaufraGo | pentium4 |
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| 04:02.05 | cld2 | xomhau: hi |
| 04:02.27 | Azar | yea, do an apt-cache search kernel-image and look for a 2.6.8 that fits your cpu type |
| 04:02.28 | Frew | They seem to really discourage using unstable - http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 04:02.38 | multi_io | abrotman: an exit 1 you mean? no. there'S a postinst script, which doesn'T contain any exit commands. And wouldn't aptitude have to print errors in control scripts anyway? |
| 04:02.49 | Azar | multi_io: abrotman is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 04:03.07 | multi_io | oh. |
| 04:03.09 | DaveyB | why not get the 2.6.18 kernel, that's pretty cool IMO |
| 04:03.18 | NaufraGo | 686 suposes to work better by pentium4, that's what I heard |
| 04:03.28 | Azar | DaveyB: Sarge does not go higher than 2.6.8 "officially" |
| 04:03.34 | Nwallins | what's a good kernel for dual opteron 246's ? |
| 04:03.57 | DaveyB | Azar, ahhh OK, using ETCH myself so I didn't know that :D |
| 04:04.06 | Azar | apt-cache search kernel-image for a list (linux-image for etch users) |
| 04:05.02 | Guerin | this site includes laap: http://www.north-by-north-east.com/articles/05_04_3.asp |
| 04:05.17 | Guerin | oh, no recipe |
| 04:05.27 | Frew | Can you install an older version of Debian, say Debian 2 stable, and then easily upgrade to Debian <current> testing? |
| 04:05.35 | Guerin | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/food/recipe165.shtml |
| 04:05.39 | Nwallins | is opteron considered k7? |
| 04:05.53 | Azar | Frew: yes, thats what I did, I started with woody, then upgraded to sarge, then to etch |
| 04:06.01 | Azar | Nwallins: k's are for AMD |
| 04:06.06 | Dembug | i prefer sarge |
| 04:06.08 | Azar | yes |
| 04:06.09 | Guerin | Frew: depends how far apart. It can be done, but often takes a lot of work since upgrading more than one `stable' step at a time often fails |
| 04:06.11 | Azar | k7 |
| 04:06.32 | Frew | Thanksl |
| 04:06.34 | Nwallins | Azar: ? best for opteron is k7? |
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| 04:06.54 | Azar | Nwallins: yes k7 is for 32 bits k8 for 64b |
| 04:07.06 | Dembug | ive had quite a lot of success with 2.6.19-rc3 backports :P |
| 04:07.10 | Nwallins | ah, k8 is what I have, then. don't see it on apt-cache search on etch |
| 04:07.10 | Azar | yep , athlons, opterons, semprons |
| 04:07.33 | Dembug | that was on a core 2 duo though |
| 04:07.42 | Azar | hmmm opteron 64b? good to know, I thought opterons was for 32 |
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| 04:08.21 | NaufraGo | I'm almost sure non-free nvidia driver won't work on 2.6.8, there's a driever for 2.6.14. am I wrong? |
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| 04:08.38 | Azar | NaufraGo: it will work, I use nvidia with a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 04:09.00 | Azar | NaufraGo: you install the 2.6.8 kernel, then come here and /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner is easy |
| 04:09.06 | Nwallins | Azar: opteron was 64b from get-go, AFAIK |
| 04:09.25 | NaufraGo | alright, so I will have to use another driver while you help me? |
| 04:09.32 | Azar | Nwallins: my lack of knowledge because I allways used athlons... |
| 04:09.51 | Nwallins | Azar: any idea why k8 kernels don't show up in apt-cache search? |
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| 04:09.58 | Azar | NaufraGo: don't need X windows until you install it.. command line as root only |
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| 04:10.17 | Nwallins | Azar: checking p.d.o :) |
| 04:10.30 | Azar | Nwallins: ah |
| 04:10.33 | Azar | I know why |
| 04:10.42 | NaufraGo | ok, I installed 2.6.8-3 is it ok? |
| 04:10.45 | Azar | in Etch they unified all flavors |
| 04:10.55 | Azar | NaufraGo: yes |
| 04:10.59 | NaufraGo | reboot? |
| 04:11.05 | Azar | you will need to reboot, you use lilo? |
| 04:11.10 | NaufraGo | grub |
| 04:11.11 | Nwallins | Azar: meaning, k7 is best choice on etch? |
| 04:11.14 | Azar | ah ok reboot |
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| 04:11.41 | Azar | Nwallins: go to debian release site and read, I have the feeling now all AMD are called k7 but _im not sure_ |
| 04:11.42 | NaufraGo | alright.. |
| 04:12.43 | Azar | Nwallins: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:12.51 | Nwallins | thanks |
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| 04:16.13 | multi_io | when I report a bug against a package, how can I take part in a possibly ensuing discussion of the bugreport? Where and how would such a discussion take place? |
| 04:17.34 | Azar | multi_io: no discussion, you only get a reply by mail |
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| 04:17.54 | multi_io | Azar: you mean an automated reply? |
| 04:18.11 | Azar | yep |
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| 04:18.40 | Nvidiot | hello, I'm having an issue with the time module, I can get the help showing with iptables -m time --help, but when I try to use it (iptables -A INPUT -m time --timestart 09:00 --timestop 18:00) I get "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" even though INPUT is a built-in chain |
| 04:19.05 | multi_io | sounds like an inefficient way to sort out any additional questions the package maintainer might have :-) |
| 04:19.40 | Azar | multi_io: maintainers don't have time to chat |
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| 04:21.21 | multi_io | Azar: what about this discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_frm/thread/df80e9d35b1d5615/bfe719890a5520c0?lnk=st&q=aptitude+no+error+message&rnum=3#bfe719890a5520c0 |
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| 04:21.56 | multi_io | to me this looks like a bug report mail with a reply by a human being |
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| 04:22.31 | Azar | multi_io: then go there and talk, I dont have e-mail to be able to participate on usenet |
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| 04:22.49 | Azar | err newsgroups |
| 04:23.55 | multi_io | Azar: how do you know this is a real newsgroup, not just an NNTP mirror of a mailing list? |
| 04:24.15 | Azar | multi_io: I assumed |
| 04:24.40 | Azar | but "linux.debian.bugs.dist" sounds like a newsgroup |
| 04:24.42 | CompWizrd | yeah, you can access that with email to 400415@bugs.debian.org |
| 04:24.48 | CompWizrd | it's just a mirror of the BTS |
| 04:25.01 | Azar | CompWizrd: yeah only I don't have email |
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| 04:25.57 | multi_io | CompWizrd: and how do I read followups by other people? via NNTP? |
| 04:26.09 | multi_io | Azar: you assumed, aha :-P |
| 04:26.19 | CompWizrd | multi_io: http://bugs.debian.org/400415 |
| 04:26.27 | Azar | my isp decided to implement asinine javascript on my webmail so now I don't have email |
| 04:26.56 | lindenle | Can I have different NameVirtualHost's run as different users and or groups in apache2? |
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| 04:31.16 | Guerin | lindenle: nttbomk |
| 04:31.21 | Guerin | lindenle: ask #apache |
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| 04:31.51 | multi_io | CompWizrd: ok, so I subscribe to bug nr. N by sending a mail to N-subscribe@bugs.debian.org, and then take part in the discussion by sending/receiving mail to/from N@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 04:33.18 | NaufraGo | Azar |
| 04:33.32 | Azar | NaufraGo: |
| 04:33.40 | NaufraGo | I installed 2.6.8-3-686 , know I can't mount a cd |
| 04:33.58 | Azar | NaufraGo: why do you need a cd? |
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| 04:34.16 | NaufraGo | because I'm doing what dpkg says |
| 04:34.27 | NaufraGo | nvidia one-liner |
| 04:34.27 | Azar | what? hold on |
| 04:34.32 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:34.32 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 04:34.43 | Azar | nothing about cd there |
| 04:35.09 | NaufraGo | yeah but probably module-assistant is in the cd, or something |
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| 04:35.36 | Azar | start from ; apt-get install ....... all that line up to xserver-xfree86 write at command line as root |
| 04:35.46 | Azar | no it is not.. |
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| 04:36.43 | Azar | NaufraGo: make sure that in /etc/apt/sources.list all your lines end in contrib non-free |
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| 04:37.38 | NaufraGo | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051220)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 04:37.42 | NaufraGo | is that line necessary? |
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| 04:38.10 | Azar | NaufraGo: don't worry, it will not use that one, only the http and ftp lines |
| 04:39.19 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib << like that |
| 04:40.54 | Azar | NaufraGo: after you add the non-free contrib to your sources, save the file then do the nvidia one-liner |
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| 04:42.45 | Learner | can anyone help me use the MyDSL feature of DamnSmallLinux to install applications.. dsl is a debian linux when installed on a hard drive and I dont' know how to go from a downloaded tar.gz or bin file to an actual running program |
| 04:42.49 | NaufraGo | ok.. wait |
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| 04:47.14 | Azar | yay!!! First Open Graphics board appears ! http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36761 |
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| 04:47.17 | NaufraGo | Azar nvidia works greats, thanks |
| 04:47.25 | NaufraGo | great |
| 04:47.27 | Azar | NaufraGo: nice to hear, enjoy |
| 04:47.31 | kie27 | greetings all! have just joined a new company and they don't mind me using my laptop (running debian) but unfortunately they use checkpoint securemote for their vpn stuff... i have checked the site and only old version of redhat are supported which don't work, and have had no success with wine either, any other ideas before i shoot myself please? |
| 04:47.32 | baegle | I'm running Etch. I'm having a problem rendering fonts. I was told that it's probably a problem with Xorg loading a bad font as a default, but I don't know how to fix my font packages. The issue is that when Opera, Firefox, GTK Help, or other applications display text, depending on the font, that text might not render at all, or some will render and some won't. Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? |
| 04:47.52 | NaufraGo | well, installing 2.6.8-3 gave me some problems |
| 04:48.07 | NaufraGo | now I don't know what happens to devices |
| 04:48.18 | NaufraGo | I can't mount a cd |
| 04:48.27 | Azar | well you can check your fstab file to see |
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| 04:48.48 | Azar | baegle: etch is still in testing, file a bug report |
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| 04:49.02 | NaufraGo | where is it? |
| 04:49.12 | Azar | in /etc/fstab |
| 04:49.18 | Azar | .. in /etc |
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| 04:50.41 | *** topic/#debian is /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:50.47 | Azar | baegle: as you can see on the topic, people keep filing bugs |
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| 04:52.52 | Rusty1 | baegle: what does apt-cache policy defoma return? |
| 04:53.06 | NaufraGo | what command can I use to mount a cd? |
| 04:53.19 | baegle | Rusty1: Installed: 0.11.10 |
| 04:53.26 | Azar | NaufraGo: try mount /dev/hdc of mound cdrom does not work |
| 04:53.47 | Guerin | mm, opera once again proves itself to be both shit and irrelevant |
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| 04:54.23 | yungknight | if i wanted to allow users that login to only view and access certain dirs what do i need to setup? ldap, nis, kerebos?? I have no clue. |
| 04:54.31 | Azar | NaufraGo: read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 04:54.58 | Azar | yungknight: create groups |
| 04:55.22 | Azar | yungknight: read the link up here that I gave to NaufraGo to read |
| 04:55.33 | abchirk | !ops UmiT spam on join is in #redhat too... |
| 04:55.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: UmiT spam on join is in #redhat too... |
| 04:55.38 | abchirk | good morning all! :) |
| 04:55.57 | Azar | hi there :) |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | yungknight: you need windows |
| 04:56.07 | Learner | can anyone help me use the MyDSL feature of DamnSmallLinux to install applications.. dsl is a debian linux when installed on a hard drive and I dont' know how to go from a downloaded tar.gz or bin file to an actual running program |
| 04:56.30 | Guerin | yungknight: obscurity is not the answer, and for sound technical reasons, users need to be able to access practically all of the system |
| 04:56.42 | Guerin | Learner: this is not #damnsmalllinux |
| 04:56.43 | Azar | dsl is a debian linux? |
| 04:56.54 | dendrite | !based on debian |
| 04:56.54 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 04:56.58 | Guerin | Learner: dsl claims to be debian, but isn't quite. |
| 04:57.03 | Learner | the docs say it is a debian when installed on a hard drive |
| 04:57.06 | yungknight | I just don't want /home/me to be able to list /home/you and so on. |
| 04:57.15 | NaufraGo | Azar, it doesn't work |
| 04:57.30 | Guerin | yungknight: oh, you can make homedirs non-world-readable |
| 04:57.31 | Learner | I dont' know enough about it to care.. I just want to install java runtime and update firefox |
| 04:57.38 | Azar | NaufraGo: read the link I gave you it gives you good hints |
| 04:57.43 | Learner | does anyone know how to do it ? |
| 04:57.50 | Guerin | yungknight: i think dpkg-reconfigure passwd might be what you want, in any case it's trivially doable |
| 04:58.03 | Guerin | Learner: /msg dpkg java |
| 04:58.42 | Learner | I take it I enter that at the root shell prompt.. what should happen ? |
| 04:58.49 | baegle | Rusty1: Any suggestions? |
| 04:58.57 | yungknight | Guerin: dpkg-reconfig passwd only asked about the shadow passwords |
| 04:59.02 | Guerin | Learner: no, enter it into your irc client and dpkg (our friendly bot) will give you the skinny |
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| 04:59.19 | Guerin | yungknight: mm, ok. It's something else like that, then. |
| 04:59.21 | Learner | ok |
| 04:59.22 | Learner | I will |
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| 05:00.25 | Guerin | yungknight: adduser maybe? |
| 05:00.54 | Guerin | yungknight: yeh, d-r adduser |
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| 05:02.07 | Learner | well I read that but it didn't mean much and brought up more questions than it answered.. such as.. when I followed the onscreen instructions on the java.com page it advised me to download a tar.gz package , which I did.. apparently that was wrong ? why ? |
| 05:03.03 | Azar | maaannn I can't wait for that open graphics card to come out! |
| 05:03.04 | Guerin | Learner: since you're not using debian, it's tough to tell what's going wrong. Debian has a thing called `java-package' which makes a debian package out of those tar.gz files from sun. I don't know if dsl does. |
| 05:03.13 | Guerin | Azar: which? |
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| 05:03.35 | Azar | OGD1: http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=OGPN17&PHPSESSID=6f20d501db8bf28bd30dfbfdbd2f0813 |
| 05:03.38 | Learner | fair enough |
| 05:03.45 | Rusty1 | baegle: apt-cache policy fontconfig |
| 05:04.09 | yungknight | Guerin: permissions would allow me to control stuff like editing, deletin, etc. but what if i don't want them to list the files to begin with? |
| 05:04.10 | Learner | when I typed man apt the system returned the application isn't installed so apparently I can't use apt commands |
| 05:04.32 | baegle | Rusty: Installed and Candidate: 2.4.1-2 |
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| 05:04.49 | rcbarnes | I've got a raid5 array (sw) that isn't working after a kernel upgrade---all the right device nodes are there /dev/sd[abcd], but boot and raidstart /dev/md0 both say "no such device." |
| 05:04.52 | rcbarnes | Where can I look for the problem? |
| 05:05.09 | dendrite | Learner: Try man apt-get or aptitude. |
| 05:05.14 | Guerin | yungknight: ?? the option you're given is to prevent people from READING others' honedirs. |
| 05:05.34 | Guerin | Learner: this is the problem with DSL: it's NOT DEBIAN. |
| 05:05.45 | Guerin | Learner: if you'd like to install debian, we would gladly help you. |
| 05:05.54 | Learner | I understand.. thanks for the tip |
| 05:05.56 | Guerin | otherwise, seek help from DSL |
| 05:05.58 | Azar | I could say that by the release of the next testing we gonna have a GPL licensed Open Graphics card yay! |
| 05:06.18 | dendrite | Azar: That's huge! |
| 05:06.33 | Azar | no mo' nvidia one-liner |
| 05:06.38 | dendrite | Azar: Now get to work on a NIC! =) |
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| 05:06.52 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:07.36 | Guerin | Azar: any idea on a price? |
| 05:08.23 | Azar | Guerin: it is not yet out... I guess it will still take few months, but important is: is here |
| 05:08.43 | Guerin | ballpark? |
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| 05:08.59 | Guerin | ah well |
| 05:09.10 | Guerin | like the OLPC machines, it'll be worth buying one just because |
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| 05:10.12 | Azar | maann... nvidia and radeon gonna cry blood |
| 05:10.20 | Guerin | well, not really |
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| 05:10.48 | Azar | Guerin, imagine in 2008 linux could come with open hardware PCs... gonna be a blast |
| 05:10.53 | Guerin | since it's not a competitor in the market which really matters to them, which is the top-end early-adopter hardcore-gamer-d00d market |
| 05:11.05 | Guerin | Azar: dream on |
| 05:11.06 | Azar | lots of people moving over to linux now, the only hiccup is the proprietary hardware |
| 05:11.16 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 05:11.32 | Azar | bah, I have the profet skills |
| 05:11.42 | Guerin | hardware will always be dominated by proprietary gear, until the means of production and duplication becomes trivial |
| 05:11.52 | Guerin | firmware - there's a problem |
| 05:12.03 | Azar | the same way people were saying about linux three years ago: bullocks, and man it is happening |
| 05:12.14 | Guerin | Azar: no, it's not the same. |
| 05:12.23 | Rusty1 | baegle: gtg, see what dpkg -l xfonts* shows as installed on your system , also try apt-get -t unstable --reinstall install defoma |
| 05:12.26 | Azar | yeah but now we will get a GPL-licensed video card |
| 05:12.33 | tuv | doesn't sudo ask for the user's password by default or do i have to set it up to do so? |
| 05:12.34 | Guerin | Azar: fact: unless you have a billion dollar fabrication plant you cannot manufacture computer hardware. |
| 05:12.51 | Guerin | Azar: *that* means proprietary hardware will continue to dominate. |
| 05:12.53 | Azar | ha! I will be among the first ones to donate |
| 05:12.59 | Azar | bull |
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| 05:13.05 | Azar | they gonna die like ms will |
| 05:13.07 | Guerin | tuv: it does. |
| 05:13.08 | baegle | Rusty1: Thanks for the help. |
| 05:13.23 | Guerin | Azar: you're delusional. |
| 05:13.30 | Guerin | but that's fine |
| 05:13.32 | Azar | it already started: ie is dying |
| 05:13.34 | Guerin | keep on being so |
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| 05:13.49 | tuv | Guerin, i added my user with ALL=(ALL) ALL, and it doesn't ask me for nothing! |
| 05:14.02 | Guerin | Azar: one prototype video card means hardware is dying |
| 05:14.22 | geet | Does anyone know of a way to get a list of PCI devices and what bus, device number, and function number they are at? |
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| 05:14.24 | Gnea | Azar: excuse me, where might i acquire some crack to smoke? you seem to have found an extremely nice grade... |
| 05:14.30 | Guerin | tuv: there's a timeout. It should ask the first time, then not again for 15min or so. |
| 05:14.32 | Azar | Gnea! |
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| 05:14.37 | Azar | grade? what grade? |
| 05:14.42 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:14.50 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:14.51 | Guerin | they had them at skool |
| 05:14.57 | Azar | I am so happy about the news of this open video card |
| 05:14.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:15.03 | Guerin | but since you were clearly smoking it then, too, I guess you can be excused |
| 05:15.06 | rcbarnes | I've got a raid5 array (sw) that isn't working after a kernel upgrade---all the right device nodes are there /dev/sd[abcd], but boot and raidstart /dev/md0 both say "no such device." |
| 05:15.07 | Gnea | eh? |
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| 05:15.11 | rcbarnes | Where can I look for the problem? |
| 05:15.19 | Azar | you did nt see it? |
| 05:15.24 | Azar | omg is BIG |
| 05:15.33 | Gnea | Guerin: i was being sarcastic :) |
| 05:15.33 | Azar | http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=OGPN17&PHPSESSID=6f20d501db8bf28bd30dfbfdbd2f0813 |
| 05:15.43 | Gnea | never smoked crack, don't plan on it |
| 05:15.45 | maddash | how do I ignore the login/logout msgs that irc plagues me with? |
| 05:16.00 | Guerin | maddash: depends on your irc client. Consult documentation. |
| 05:16.01 | tuv | Guerin, does that first time work for all sessions (virtual terminal) or only for the one in which it was entered? |
| 05:16.01 | Azar | sarcastic with me? that I love you like you were a real bro? |
| 05:16.08 | maddash | geet: lspci |
| 05:16.09 | Guerin | tuv: unsure |
| 05:16.25 | NaufraGo | I can't mount a cd yet |
| 05:16.31 | geet | maddash: thank you much |
| 05:16.41 | Azar | NaufraGo: did your cd worked before the kernel upgrade? |
| 05:16.47 | tuv | Guerin, if you're right and i'm right what i think i've done, then it works for all sessions :) |
| 05:16.48 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 05:16.54 | maddash | geet: anytime |
| 05:17.00 | Azar | NaufraGo: and how you used to mount it? |
| 05:17.09 | NaufraGo | I've upgraded some times and always have this devices problems |
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| 05:17.23 | NaufraGo | going to devices:/ |
| 05:17.29 | Azar | NaufraGo: do you see it in /etc/fstab file? |
| 05:17.36 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 05:17.53 | Azar | see what gives when you type mount |
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| 05:18.29 | NaufraGo | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda /media/cdrom1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:18.36 | NaufraGo | thats in fstab |
| 05:18.54 | Azar | the /dev/hda should be the hard drive |
| 05:19.01 | Azar | hmmm no hard drive there? |
| 05:19.12 | Gnea | Azar: looks neat, lemme know when it goes on sale :) |
| 05:19.14 | NaufraGo | no I guess |
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| 05:19.38 | Azar | Gnea: I would buy it with $1000.00 the change could be for donation, I am serious |
| 05:19.45 | NaufraGo | hda and hdb used to be my cdroms devices before I upgraded to 2.6.8-3 |
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| 05:20.27 | Azar | NaufraGo: you need to have a hd there, on /dev/hda with ext3 as file type.. how in earth your hard drive is not listed? |
| 05:20.54 | Azar | NaufraGo: how many cd drives you have? |
| 05:20.58 | NaufraGo | hehe, it is listed I didn't show it |
| 05:21.06 | Azar | ah ok |
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| 05:21.13 | Azar | as /dev/hda2 ? |
| 05:21.23 | NaufraGo | /dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/sda3 none swap sw 0 |
| 05:21.33 | Azar | a better |
| 05:21.57 | NaufraGo | that's it |
| 05:21.59 | Azar | ok try mount /media/cdrom1 or /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:22.20 | NaufraGo | doesn't exist |
| 05:22.33 | NaufraGo | I don't see them by 'mount' |
| 05:22.34 | Azar | hmmm try mount /dev/hdb then |
| 05:22.48 | Azar | ofcourse is good to put a cd on it too.. |
| 05:23.07 | NaufraGo | hdb, 'doesn't exist' |
| 05:23.21 | geet | maddash: thank you again it works perfectly! |
| 05:23.21 | Azar | damn lame partitions |
| 05:23.53 | Azar | NaufraGo: try editing the fstab file and change /dev/hda to /dev/hdc |
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| 05:24.09 | Azar | the one thats for /media/cdrom1 |
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| 05:24.29 | johnjacky | Hi..can I ask a general Linux help here ? |
| 05:24.42 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 05:24.53 | NaufraGo | then? |
| 05:25.04 | Azar | then try mount /dev/hdc |
| 05:25.05 | johnjacky | What would be the command to list the processes running for more than a certain period of time ? ..say 1 hour |
| 05:25.10 | maddash | johnjacky: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 05:25.15 | NaufraGo | does not exist |
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| 05:25.29 | Azar | try mount cdrom1 |
| 05:25.33 | maddash | johnjacky: look into `man ps` and `man top` |
| 05:25.52 | johnjacky | both wasn't of much help :-( unless I am missing something |
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| 05:26.11 | maddash | johnjacky: do you know what ps does? and top? |
| 05:26.14 | NaufraGo | mount: can't find cdrom1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 05:26.37 | NaufraGo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.07 | Azar | NaufraGo: damn well change it back to /dev/hda and try again mount cdrom1 |
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| 05:27.29 | Azar | why in earth you need to cdroms on a box? |
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| 05:28.18 | johnjacky | yes I do, maddash. I have been using Linux as desktop for last few years and love the 80x24 console rather than GUI .. (just to tell that I am not a novice :-)) |
| 05:28.28 | NaufraGo | ? |
| 05:28.30 | multi_io | johnjacky: look into the -o option to ps |
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| 05:29.14 | multi_io | and -O too |
| 05:29.27 | multi_io | you can output the start time of each process with that |
| 05:29.28 | Azar | NaufraGo: ... |
| 05:29.37 | Azar | are you trying to mount the cdrom as root? |
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| 05:29.41 | maddash | johnjacky: then you should know? |
| 05:29.43 | NaufraGo | yes |
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| 05:31.11 | Azar | NaufraGo: try this: mount media/cdrom1 |
| 05:31.37 | NaufraGo | te same |
| 05:31.39 | NaufraGo | the same |
| 05:31.45 | Azar | I don't know why the felt the need to put media there.. I only use /cdrom |
| 05:32.23 | NaufraGo | well, cdroms worked great in 2.4 386 |
| 05:32.27 | Azar | the same as ... "no medium found" maybe? |
| 05:32.47 | NaufraGo | mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist |
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| 05:33.13 | maddash | multi_io: he knows that already, since he has "been using linux as desktop for last few years and love the 80x24 console rather than GUI" |
| 05:33.14 | NaufraGo | hda, the same |
| 05:33.32 | Azar | yeah cuz hda should be for hard drives, hdb.. heck maybe |
| 05:33.34 | maddash | multi_io: it's so fucking obvious if only he took a look at man ps, which was my initial suggestion |
| 05:33.55 | johnjacky | maddash, afaik -O or -o formats the o/p and I dont see a format option to list in the order of start time of a process.. |
| 05:34.03 | johnjacky | and man page of ps is damn big |
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| 05:34.16 | maddash | johnjacky: read faster. |
| 05:34.25 | johnjacky | :-) |
| 05:34.41 | Azar | for a cdrom this should be shown as a normal setup in fstab: |
| 05:34.45 | Azar | /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0 |
| 05:35.01 | multi_io | johnjacky: for sorting the output by some column look into -k |
| 05:35.04 | maddash | I actually chortled pepsi through my nose the first time I read one of those "ubuntu is an african word for..." jokes. |
| 05:35.25 | maddash | "Ubuntu is an African word for 'I can't handle Slackware' " |
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| 05:35.40 | maddash | "Ubuntu is an African word for 'I can't configure Debian' " |
| 05:35.55 | Azar | ....................... |
| 05:36.14 | Azar | honeymooners are here, is SUNDAY folks |
| 05:36.23 | maddash | http://www.quotiki.com/quote.aspx?id=7501 |
| 05:36.48 | NaufraGo | hda is for IDE A and hdb for IDE B, and my cdrom device is in IDE A and my dvd device is in IDE B |
| 05:37.40 | multi_io | now what is this: aptitude (or apt-get) install libgtk2.0-doc gives "E: Failed to fetch http://tick:9999/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-doc_2.8.20-3_all.deb: Size mismatch" |
| 05:37.54 | maddash | naufrago: sometimes, my etch would used to mount the cdrom as sr0 |
| 05:38.01 | multi_io | ...but downloading the .deb and installing via dpkg -i works just fine |
| 05:38.37 | netrat | multi_io do apt-get clean the apt-get update |
| 05:38.40 | NaufraGo | ok, but my devices worked by that way in kernel image 2.4 |
| 05:38.50 | Azar | NaufraGo: it is obvious that I am dumb at multi cd/dvd stuff, maybe someone else can help you there.. I only use/used simple boxes with one HD, one cdrom and one floppy. and on all my machines the cdrom was listed under /dev/hdc. |
| 05:38.51 | NaufraGo | now I don't know why does it fail |
| 05:38.55 | netrat | then trytry installing libgtk2.0-doc |
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| 05:39.18 | NaufraGo | ok Azar |
| 05:39.27 | Azar | your kernel does not recognize them by that name.. |
| 05:40.00 | NaufraGo | don't I have to install modules or something like that? |
| 05:40.30 | maddash | multi_io: try another repos mirror |
| 05:40.42 | multi_io | netrat: the package is not in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , and I did apt-ger update just minutes ago |
| 05:40.56 | maddash | multi_io: maybe your apt-cache is misinformed |
| 05:41.11 | netrat | multi_io: you did apt-get clean too? |
| 05:41.19 | multi_io | netrat: no |
| 05:41.21 | multi_io | wait |
| 05:41.43 | multi_io | does that do more than cleaning /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 05:44.06 | multi_io | hm, apt-get install downloads it to /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 05:44.23 | multi_io | ..and then gives the error |
| 05:44.41 | EnsignRedshirt | johnjacky: Probably not ideal but: ps -A | grep "00:0[^0]:.." |
| 05:44.43 | multi_io | when dpkg -i it from /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/, it installs just fine. |
| 05:44.50 | Sushi- | I have a problem. I can't seem to get my video card to work with Etch, Xorg 7.11 |
| 05:45.04 | Sushi- | er |
| 05:45.06 | Sushi- | 7.1.1 |
| 05:45.07 | EnsignRedshirt | johnjacky: That will list processes running for more than one hour (but less than 10 hours). |
| 05:45.49 | Sushi- | I thought the was a default NVidia driver with Xorg. |
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| 05:46.08 | Sushi- | there |
| 05:46.22 | maddash | sushi-: elucidate. |
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| 05:47.03 | Sushi- | hmm |
| 05:47.06 | multi_io | EnsignRedshirt: that's the CPU time. johnjacky probably meant real time |
| 05:47.11 | xipietotec | is apt-get being deprecated in favor of aptitude? |
| 05:47.12 | Sushi- | It says... |
| 05:47.37 | Sushi- | (EE) no devices detected |
| 05:47.45 | Sushi- | and no screens found |
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| 05:48.38 | maddash | sushi-: what driver are you using? |
| 05:48.45 | Sushi- | let me check |
| 05:48.56 | maddash | sushi-: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:49.08 | maddash | sushi: under section "device" what's the driver? |
| 05:49.17 | Sushi- | apm |
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| 05:51.05 | maddash | sushi-: no, that won't work. what's your vid card? |
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| 05:51.54 | Sushi- | GeForce 6600 GT |
| 05:52.47 | maddash | sushi-: so you need an nvidia driver. |
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| 05:53.06 | maddash | sushi-: have you edited your sources.list to include nonfree? |
| 05:53.17 | multi_io | he can also use "nv" for starters |
| 05:53.28 | Sushi- | that's what I tried |
| 05:53.32 | Sushi- | I remember using nv |
| 05:54.08 | maddash | multi_io: I was getting to that. |
| 05:54.26 | maddash | sushi-: try `sudo aptitude installl xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 05:54.27 | maddash | ` |
| 05:54.36 | Sushi- | that's what I was gonna ask..what I'd have to install |
| 05:54.43 | maddash | s\installl\install |
| 05:55.03 | maddash | sushi-,multi_io: he's going to need the nonfree repos for that |
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| 05:55.23 | Sushi- | oh..I forgot to answer your question..no I didn't |
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| 05:55.46 | EnsignRedshirt | johnjacky: Still here? Another lame attempt: ps -eo pid,etime,comm | grep "0[^0]:..:.." |
| 05:55.56 | Sushi- | I forget how to do it though |
| 05:56.07 | Sushi- | oh..wait |
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| 05:56.29 | maddash | !nonfree |
| 05:56.30 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 05:56.35 | maddash | !nonfree |SUshi- |
| 05:56.40 | multi_io | maddash: xserver-xorg-video-nv is in main |
| 05:57.05 | maddash | multi_io: ah, ok. tell him to try the sudo aptitude line. |
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| 05:57.19 | BrianSteffens | is there a way to make X render with opengl? |
| 05:57.20 | maddash | sushi-: try the sudo aptitude line |
| 05:57.29 | maddash | briansteffens: xgl |
| 05:57.40 | multi_io | Sushi-: try maddash's aptitude line :-P |
| 05:57.41 | maddash | briansteffens: xgl, fglrx, even nv, depending on your card |
| 05:58.18 | BrianSteffens | maddash: i installed the nvidia drivers but resizing windows is still really slow as if they aren't being double-buffered |
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| 05:59.20 | maddash | briansteffens: what wm? you might need direct rendering...chk out glxinfo |
| 05:59.50 | maddash | eww icewm is written in cpp |
| 05:59.52 | BrianSteffens | maddash: glxinfo: command not found.. using kde but gnome is the same |
| 06:00.45 | maddash | briansteffens: did u install xbase-clients? |
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| 06:01.08 | maddash | briansteffens: u even using xorg? or xfree8? |
| 06:01.15 | maddash | xfree86* |
| 06:01.15 | Sushi- | successful. thanks. |
| 06:01.22 | maddash | sushi-: anytime. |
| 06:01.32 | Sushi- | One other question..How do I get my mouse working in my console? |
| 06:01.41 | maddash | sushi-: LOL |
| 06:01.51 | maddash | sushi-: depends on what you want it to do |
| 06:02.06 | Sushi- | well...I could have copied and pasted what you told me to do |
| 06:02.43 | Sushi- | but..I had to go back and fourth and look |
| 06:02.58 | multi_io | Sushi-: gpm |
| 06:03.09 | maddash | sushi-: fatality. j/k. I really don't know, since I've never tried... |
| 06:03.30 | Sushi- | well..It's not that important anyway since I got x working. |
| 06:03.43 | BrianSteffens | maddash: i'm using xorg |
| 06:03.44 | maddash | !tell me about gpm |
| 06:03.48 | Sushi- | I bet the NVidia drivers will be hard to install |
| 06:03.50 | maddash | !gpm |
| 06:03.50 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 06:03.57 | maddash | sushi-: you already did. |
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| 06:04.05 | Sushi- | yeah, but the good one. |
| 06:04.17 | BrianSteffens | maddash: and yes i have xbase-clients |
| 06:04.35 | Sushi- | I am temporarily using nv to get things going |
| 06:04.40 | maddash | sushi-: what "good one"? |
| 06:04.51 | Sushi- | eventually I'm gonna want to install the nvidia driver |
| 06:04.57 | maddash | briansteffens: then glxinfo should work...try "sudo glxinfo" |
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| 06:05.35 | maddash | sushi-: w/e. just drink lots of fluids, and meditate five times a day in the direction of mecca. |
| 06:05.41 | BrianSteffens | maddash: nothing =( |
| 06:06.34 | maddash | briansteffens: type in "glx<tab>" |
| 06:06.39 | maddash | briansteffens: type in "glx<tabkey>" |
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| 06:07.12 | BrianSteffens | maddash: nothing but a beep |
| 06:07.15 | maddash | LOL |
| 06:07.26 | maddash | what version is xbase-clients? |
| 06:07.43 | maddash | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=glxinfo&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 06:08.02 | maddash | multi_io: just recompile it...or apt-get remove the dependency... |
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| 06:08.31 | BrianSteffens | maddash: how can i check that? i ran apt-get install xbase-clients and it said it's newest version |
| 06:08.41 | multi_io | maddash: no, I mean it actually blocks the sound at runtime here :-O |
| 06:08.57 | multi_io | (according to fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) |
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| 06:09.35 | maddash | briansteffens: just chk the link...download that pkg, and dpkg -i with it |
| 06:10.02 | maddash | multi_io: wow that's lame. |
| 06:10.06 | maddash | multi_io: evince |
| 06:10.28 | johnjacky | thanks EnsignRedshirt ..I am still working on the options..I dont see a ps option, without writing some one liners for converting the start time to Unixtime format and then subtracting the current time.. |
| 06:10.52 | EnsignRedshirt | johnjacky: etime |
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| 06:11.05 | johnjacky | oh yeah..thanks |
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| 06:11.29 | maddash | multi_io: though evince is a bit buggy, at least on ubuntu. |
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| 06:11.53 | multi_io | maddash: I don't do Gnome, so that's not really an option :) |
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| 06:12.30 | maddash | multi_io: you don't need gnome... |
| 06:12.40 | mylogic | What cpu scaling appy would you all recommend? |
| 06:12.58 | maddash | multi_io: just the libgnome and stuff... |
| 06:13.06 | maddash | multi_io: lol "do gnome". |
| 06:13.16 | multi_io | :P |
| 06:13.38 | multi_io | the dependency list looks very "impressive" |
| 06:14.08 | maddash | multi_io: LOL. epdfview? |
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| 06:15.52 | EnsignRedshirt | multi_io: Acroread? |
| 06:15.55 | maddash | multi_io: http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/wiki/Install |
| 06:16.00 | multi_io | EnsignRedshirt: noooooo |
| 06:16.22 | maddash | acroread? you've gotta be joking. |
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| 06:18.42 | maddash | are there any other term apps comparable to xterm in speed and size? |
| 06:19.10 | multi_io | looks like epdfview is in the making for Debian |
| 06:19.21 | multi_io | I guess I can wait for that :P |
| 06:19.22 | maddash | just compile it geez |
| 06:20.54 | maddash | god, it's dead in here |
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| 06:21.16 | multi_io | got too lazy for compiling lately |
| 06:21.23 | multi_io | except mplayer, sometimes |
| 06:21.54 | peterS | o/~ lazy's just another word for better things to do o/` |
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| 06:26.20 | multi_io | maddash: what's wrong with xterm for you? |
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| 06:26.49 | maddash | scrollbars. the lack of them. |
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| 06:27.01 | maddash | can't paste directly from other apps |
| 06:27.03 | maddash | can't copy |
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| 06:28.53 | multi_io | hmm, you can't copy/paste from/to xterm? |
| 06:29.15 | maddash | nope. not so very obviously, at least. what term do you use? |
| 06:29.44 | multi_io | xfce4-terminal |
| 06:29.53 | multi_io | :P |
| 06:30.21 | multi_io | I got used to this clickable URLs feature ;) |
| 06:30.42 | maddash | haha ditto, back when I was ubuntu-ing w/gnome-terminal |
| 06:31.25 | EnsignRedshirt | multi_io: rxvt? |
| 06:31.51 | multi_io | EnsignRedshirt: that supports clickable URLs as well? |
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| 06:33.03 | maddash | ensignredshirt: mrxvt |
| 06:33.30 | EnsignRedshirt | multi_io: I don't know about clickable URLs, but it certainly has a scrollbar, and cut-and-paste works. I don't actually use it, so take the suggestion with a big grain of salt (he says while glancing at several open gnome-terminals). |
| 06:34.21 | multi_io | EnsignRedshirt: I'm not the one who wants aother terminal emulator here :P |
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| 06:34.36 | peterS | maddash: as for scrollbars, you can run 'xterm -sb' to get a scrollbar (though you have to know how to use athena widget scrollbars, the main secret is "drag with middle-mouse-button"). as for copying and pasting it should just be a matter of highlighting with left button, then middle-clicking to paste |
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| 06:34.54 | EnsignRedshirt | multi_io: oops. maddash ^^^ |
| 06:35.03 | maddash | peters: yeah, I know about that...too caveman-ish for me , though... |
| 06:35.04 | peterS | maddash: but I don't use xterm with scrollbars because shift-pgup and shift-pgdown work fine |
| 06:35.34 | peterS | maddash: what's cavemanish about the ability to cut and paste without having to visit some stupid menu item? left-highlight and middle-click are extremely convenient when you get used to them |
| 06:35.48 | maddash | peters: btw, I edited xresources, so the scrollbars would appear in each new xterm |
| 06:36.23 | peterS | multi_io: the Windows cut/paste standard of ctrl-x ctrl-c ctrl-v wouldn't work because people expect to be able to enter control characters in terminals |
| 06:36.25 | maddash | peters: I guess you're right... |
| 06:36.36 | maddash | multi_io: no. |
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| 06:37.06 | peterS | multi_io: there _is_ gnu screen, which lets you cut and paste without a mouse at all. but it only works within a single screen session, it doesn't interact with the X clipboard buffers |
| 06:37.06 | multi_io | peterS: of course, there would have to be some special keycomb to switch to "C&P mode" |
| 06:37.09 | maddash | ach I'm going to try mrxvt first thing tomorrow when I get my laptop back |
| 06:37.26 | peterS | multi_io: yeah, 'screen' has such a thing. I don't use it as it's much more convenient to just use a mouse |
| 06:37.48 | peterS | I mean, it works fine, but it's a lot harder to use arrow keys to select text than to do so with a mouse |
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| 06:39.44 | unlink | where's all the ruby documentation packages? |
| 06:39.55 | unlink | e.g. the API |
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| 06:40.28 | maddash | todo list: 1)replace xterm w/mrxvt , 2) thinkpad undervolting kernel patch, 3) check for icewm *true* round-cornered windows, 4)kill off other icewm themes, 5)icewm acpid applets, 6) benchmark memory usage |
| 06:40.40 | maddash | oops |
| 06:41.19 | Hoxzer | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=45991#45991 |
| 06:41.32 | shogunx | things to do: |
| 06:41.35 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 06:41.36 | dpkg | bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 06:41.40 | peterS | unlink: I thought it was just in the 'ruby1.8' package itself |
| 06:42.41 | multi_io | unlink: rubybook is the pickaxe book |
| 06:42.51 | peterS | unlink: and if you're learning ruby you'll also need 'irb1.8' to give you an interactive console like python's |
| 06:43.10 | maddash | I miss amphi |
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| 06:45.59 | BrianSteffens | i just set up samba sharing on a folder on my server and all of my machines can see it but when i try to access it, none of the server's username/passwords work |
| 06:46.07 | BrianSteffens | including root |
| 06:48.30 | Flash_ | sharing how? |
| 06:49.00 | linux_jones | sudo lets users run specified root commands right? |
| 06:49.14 | BrianSteffens | Flash_ over samba.. not sure what you mean |
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| 06:50.37 | Flash_ | BrianSteffens, k, samba - there are several ways to share folders. kk, smb.conf, if you want easy access use security=share |
| 06:50.38 | unlink | yup, i've got irb |
| 06:51.26 | BrianSteffens | Flash_ ok yes using smb.conf |
| 06:51.59 | Flash_ | BrianSteffens and each share; available, public, to yes. Also check hosts-allow and tailor to your needs. |
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| 06:55.17 | BrianSteffens | Flash_ ok thank you |
| 06:56.26 | johnjacky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.39 | johnjacky | like a negation of ps -u username ? |
| 06:56.46 | BrianSteffens | Flash_ is there a way to restart or reload samba without restarting my machine? |
| 06:57.05 | fireba11 | BrianSteffens : /etc/init.d/samba restart like everything else |
| 06:57.30 | fireba11 | BrianSteffens : there is also a reload command but it won't work in all cases .. for example if you added users to groups |
| 06:57.36 | mylogic | What's the latest stable kernel debian supports in their rep? |
| 06:57.42 | BrianSteffens | fireba11 thank you |
| 06:57.45 | linux_jones | if i update my kernel, will my ndiswrapper still work for my wireless card? |
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| 07:03.26 | YeTr2 | linux_jones: after you recompile the ndiswrapper module |
| 07:03.28 | johnjacky | linux_jones, I guess you need to compile the drivers and firmware for thatkernel |
| 07:03.29 | HymnToLife | linux_jones, no, you''l have to reinstall it AFAIK |
| 07:03.38 | HymnToLife | no big deal though, just three commands to run |
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| 07:04.30 | BrianSteffens | sigh now i can't even get into the workgroup. it asks for verification into THAT now, which no username/password combination gets through |
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| 07:08.05 | Flash_ | BrianSteffens, samba is sometimes a little tricksy when it comes to sharing with windows clients because of all the variations windows machines throw at it - google for some working config examples and keep trying, you will get there |
| 07:08.52 | BrianSteffens | Flash_ i haven't even tried with the windows box, i'm testing with my main (linux) |
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| 07:10.06 | fireba11 | mylogic : jsut apt-cache search for it ? |
| 07:11.02 | g333k | Hi... I'm downloading some subtitles, but I see the spanish characters as weird symbols, I want to know is the files are bad written or its something bad in my box? |
| 07:12.48 | g333k | But in my windows box I can see the spanish characters, why? |
| 07:13.26 | maddash | g333k: unicode. |
| 07:13.40 | g333k | maddash, how to solve that? |
| 07:13.45 | maddash | !unicode |
| 07:13.45 | dpkg | unicode is, like, the only sane way to manage diverse scripts sanely (even if it does pose security risks) |
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| 07:14.05 | maddash | not sure...google something about "debian display unicode characters" |
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| 07:27.38 | yxa | my root is 2 100% usage but the subdirectories sizes just dont add up. I am suspecting the diskspace are taken up by inodes. how do I check and free them up? |
| 07:29.26 | Chmou | df -i ? |
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| 07:32.00 | enyc | yxa: to free idones you need to delete files/linbs/directories... to get more you need to rebuild the filesystem with more inodes in it |
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| 07:32.19 | maddash | what're idones? |
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| 07:32.50 | Chmou | maddash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode |
| 07:32.57 | maddash | ohhhh inode |
| 07:33.20 | maddash | lol I only saw "idones," and I thought, "itones"? "itunes"? |
| 07:33.30 | enyc | yxa: also note that ext2/3 reseves 5% (sometimes 10%) of space for root --i.e. when the space in 95% full, df may show 100% and not let non-root write files |
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| 07:35.29 | nextstate | any samba experts in here? |
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| 07:50.51 | HypeRPG | .::Torrart Radio::. tune in @ http://69.89.27.207:8000/ |
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| 08:02.01 | bucky_ | HypeRPG please don't msg me |
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| 08:03.08 | SlayerXP | !ops HypeRPG is an on-join porn spammer |
| 08:03.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: slayerxp complains about: HypeRPG is an on-join porn spammer |
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| 08:03.29 | SlayerXP | well, an onjoin spammer, at any rate |
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| 08:04.07 | SlayerXP | peterS: you don't trust me? I'm hurt :) |
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| 08:04.30 | peterS | SlayerXP: I do but I like to double-check sometimes. I got like _4_ bot spams, this'll take a minute |
| 08:04.45 | SlayerXP | i just got the one |
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| 08:08.00 | peterS | the moles have been whacked. bah. |
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| 08:11.06 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:12.16 | nvz | peterS: what I want to know... is do you know what they'd call a cow (well a bull I guess it is) if it could masturbate? |
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| 08:12.51 | SlayerXP | fact: cows, when ready to mate, will attempt to mate with each other |
| 08:12.52 | peterS | nvz: uh ... horny? |
| 08:12.55 | nvz | Beef Stroganoff |
| 08:13.00 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:13.29 | nvz | Beef strokin'-off |
| 08:13.31 | peterS | ha |
| 08:13.39 | peterS | you been out drinking, haven't you? |
| 08:13.48 | nvz | no, been up on myspace |
| 08:13.53 | nvz | after talking all that shit on it |
| 08:14.05 | nvz | I am sucked in now, and officially a hypocrite |
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| 08:15.59 | nvz | found my future ex-wife on there.. thought maybe reading through her blog we can work out the whole not getting divorced thing.. heh |
| 08:16.49 | peterS | you have a future ex-wife? |
| 08:16.50 | Sushi- | how do I configure my kernel? |
| 08:17.08 | nvz | Sushi-: man make-kpkg |
| 08:17.11 | peterS | is this a present wife, or a future wife that you are cynical about? |
| 08:17.12 | nvz | see --config |
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| 08:17.39 | nvz | peterS: future wife (optimistic) that has obvious commitment issues |
| 08:17.46 | stoned | dude |
| 08:17.46 | nvz | believe me I am not feeling cynical |
| 08:17.52 | peterS | ahhhh |
| 08:17.55 | stoned | its 2 in the freaking morning |
| 08:18.14 | Sushi- | hm.. |
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| 08:18.40 | nvz | stoned: actually its nearly 3 |
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| 08:19.04 | soup__ | is there a seperate apt source for kernel/modules image for etch? |
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| 08:19.27 | peterS | soup__: no, the main repository, do 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.18' |
| 08:19.34 | peterS | soup__: as 2.6.18 is what will ship with etch |
| 08:19.49 | neekofab | Anyone familor with LVM recovery? |
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| 08:20.03 | soup__ | peterS: I'm having a problem getting that to work with grub |
| 08:20.11 | maddash | sushi-: use make menuconfig |
| 08:20.12 | peterS | how so? |
| 08:20.28 | maddash | sushi-: make-kpkg is for actual compilation |
| 08:21.04 | maddash | LOL |
| 08:21.12 | maddash | does that actually bring up ncurses menuconfig? |
| 08:21.17 | nvz | kernel-package a.k.a. make-kpkg does everything |
| 08:21.27 | maddash | nvz: does it? |
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| 08:21.33 | nvz | configuring, appending version, patching, compiling, packaging.. you name it |
| 08:21.44 | maddash | nvz: haha thanks. I needed to know that. |
| 08:22.02 | soup__ | peterS: hrm maybe I upgraded to testing wrong it says its conflicting with grub (<= 0.95+cvs...) |
| 08:22.06 | maddash | still, make menuconfig = less typing |
| 08:22.09 | nvz | you have no reason to type any other lines other than your make-kpkg one, not even a su to root |
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| 08:22.20 | nvz | just use the --rootcmd=fakeroot option |
| 08:22.26 | maddash | nvz: what if he screws up his config? make-kpkg goes on to compile? |
| 08:22.43 | peterS | soup__: etch has grub 0.97-20 |
| 08:22.53 | nvz | oh well boohoo, you live and you learn |
| 08:23.27 | maddash | nvz: psht. |
| 08:23.35 | maddash | sushi-: use make menuconfig. |
| 08:24.03 | maddash | make-kpkg menuconfig + screw up + (ctrl+c) = sore fingers. |
| 08:24.23 | nvz | learn not to screw up |
| 08:24.30 | soup__ | peterS: I just edit sources.list and added testing or etch and did apt-update && apt-upgrade |
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| 08:24.39 | soup__ | peterS: did I miss something? |
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| 08:25.01 | nvz | you generally dont know you screwed up until after the kernel is compiled and installed anyhow |
| 08:25.07 | peterS | soup__: well, should have been 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade', but anyway, try 'aptitude install grub' to see if it updates it |
| 08:25.12 | maddash | soup__: isn't it `sudo apt-get update`? |
| 08:25.44 | soup__ | maddash: yes, sorry |
| 08:26.32 | maddash | soup__: haha don't "sorry" me, apologize to the bash term you PO'ed. :P |
| 08:27.27 | Guerin | sudo? |
| 08:27.32 | Guerin | this isn't ubuntu |
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| 08:27.37 | nvz | its better to be Pissed Off than pissed on, I always say |
| 08:27.46 | Guerin | we use proper privilege escalation mechanism |
| 08:27.47 | Guerin | s |
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| 08:28.15 | nvz | Guerin: whats wrong with using sudo for package manipulation? |
| 08:29.36 | Guerin | nvz: aptitude puts logs and such in ~ - if those are owned by root (as they are when created by aptitude using sudo) they're inaccessible to the user when using aptitude later. |
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| 08:30.04 | Guerin | nvz: in any case, my statement was with regard to sudo not being a default condition in debian, thank goodness. |
| 08:30.29 | nvz | Guerin: ah, interesting, but since I dont use aptitude, and the earlier statement used apt-get thats irrelevant |
| 08:31.02 | Guerin | alexscott: apt-get probably does the same, but since I've dragged myself into the modern era, I no longer use it. |
| 08:31.06 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:31.10 | nvz | heh |
| 08:31.17 | Guerin | where did that alexscott: come from? |
| 08:31.23 | nvz | who knows |
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| 08:31.29 | Zmanu | hello |
| 08:31.37 | nvz | its the 2nd name alphabetically |
| 08:31.41 | Zmanu | i want to install ion3 for unstable on my sarge, is it possible ? |
| 08:31.46 | nvz | and has been inactive. |
| 08:31.57 | Guerin | Zmanu: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:32.48 | tuv | just had a wild experience with beryl |
| 08:33.01 | tuv | found it too aggressive for my taste |
| 08:33.11 | tuv | and too much configurable |
| 08:33.21 | Zmanu | Guerin: i have no answer |
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| 08:33.41 | nvz | tuv: how dare they give you the freedom to choose |
| 08:34.15 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 08:34.15 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 08:34.20 | Guerin | Zmanu: ā |
| 08:34.27 | RvGaTe | morning |
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| 08:34.29 | nvz | I know how that is though.. I can be pretty damn indecisive myself |
| 08:34.42 | nvz | even if I dont really have a choice |
| 08:34.47 | Guerin | nvz: i'm never sure whether to be indecisive or not |
| 08:34.53 | nvz | heh |
| 08:35.13 | tuv | nvz, that's not always a good thing. could be a time sink to figure out the combination of options that best suits me. usually, if i don't like the defaults, i don't like the whole thing :) |
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| 08:35.41 | tuv | nvz, but i admit.. plenty of nice options there |
| 08:36.07 | Zmanu | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:36.39 | tuv | nvz, if you saw the default beryl desktop, you'd know exactly where i'm coming from. my first impression was: UGLY! |
| 08:36.45 | nvz | tuv: yeah well you should probably be sucking on a big corporate titty somewhere milking them for boxed propriatary nutrition then if you dont want to change the defaults |
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| 08:37.29 | tuv | nvz, nah.. i like gnome just fine. reasonable defaults. and for the record, i'm in academia, so you went too far there :) |
| 08:37.36 | nvz | I dont know wtf a beryl is.. other than something used to contain goods, or the long hollow passage a bullet follows out of a gun |
| 08:38.02 | Guerin | nvz: you're ranting again ... |
| 08:38.13 | nvz | what else is new |
| 08:38.16 | tuv | nvz, it's a compiz fork, if you know what compiz is |
| 08:38.24 | nvz | sooner or later I will have trained myself to use a blog |
| 08:38.30 | ndowens | nvu the gun thing is spelled barrel :p |
| 08:38.41 | nvz | nope I dont know what a compiz is either |
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| 08:39.04 | nvz | yeah well I am a yinzer.. around here its a beryl |
| 08:39.07 | ndowens | nvz: i mean barrel=gun |
| 08:39.09 | tuv | nvz, it's a fist in the face that wakes you up |
| 08:39.16 | stoned | I would like to suck on a big fat titty |
| 08:39.23 | stoned | nvz, amen |
| 08:39.34 | nvz | stoned: yeah? hold on.. |
| 08:39.40 | tuv | stoned, :D.. nice catch |
| 08:40.03 | stoned | who doesn't like tig bitties |
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| 08:40.23 | stoned | every one likes them tig ol' bitties |
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| 08:41.45 | nvz | not me.. but I found some chic from Morgantown with the hugest boobs in the world.. when I was trying to find steph on myspace earlier |
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| 08:46.44 | sesho | newbie here - can anyone tell me how to make apt look in a directory for packages instead of online (=how to modify the sources.list) |
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| 08:47.45 | somiaj | sesho: for the most part I would just use dpkg to install packages from a local source, it takes a bit to set up an apt repostiorty |
| 08:47.48 | cydork | sesho: echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/package_dir ./" |
| 08:48.49 | sesho | somiaj, i want it to solve dependencies , if i just dpkg it doesnt do it , i have tons of dependencies |
| 08:48.49 | somiaj | hmm, guess you can just list a dir with packages in it. |
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| 08:49.02 | cydork | sesho: you will still need Packages file for that |
| 08:49.22 | sesho | cydork, sorry ,how do i do that? |
| 08:49.30 | cydork | sesho: use dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 08:50.32 | sesho | cydork, i cd to the directory and then dpkg-scanpackages then dpkg -i package_name and it will solve my dependencies? |
| 08:50.59 | cydork | sesho: noo... |
| 08:51.25 | cydork | sesho: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 08:51.26 | sesho | mmm |
| 08:52.27 | sesho | i have a box with a fresh install but no internet connection , i copied var/apt/archives and want to install the packages but got lost in dependencies |
| 08:53.03 | sesho | i copied var/...from another box |
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| 08:54.03 | fireba11 | sesho: why didn't you just export your package list and import it again ? |
| 08:54.04 | sesho | cydork, what will /msg dpkg own repo do? |
| 08:54.15 | nvz | stoned: oh well I forget what she was calling herself, and I cant find her right now.. but there was some prostitute/porn star 19years old on there with boobs like 3 times the size of her head |
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| 08:54.34 | cydork | sesho: dpkg will tell you about it :) |
| 08:54.41 | somiaj | sesho: dpkg is a bot, it will give you a 'factiod' that explains 'own repo' |
| 08:55.07 | Grub_Now | cydork: how do i install php meta package? /apt-get install php4 didnt install losts of stuff i needed |
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| 08:56.22 | sesho | ok - thank you all for your help - im back to my internet-less box |
| 08:57.16 | cydork | Grub_Now: like what. php4 and php5 doens't install much |
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| 08:57.56 | Nvidiot | how do I enable ICMP support in iptables? Am I overlooking a kernel config here or a patch-o-matic-ng patch? |
| 08:58.01 | Grub_Now | cydork: for say i had to do apt-get install php4-cli and things separately, isnt there something which coes it all at onece? |
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| 09:00.16 | fireba11 | Grub_Now: want the package to guess what you need ? :-) |
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| 09:00.42 | cydork | Grub_Now: i dont think so :) |
| 09:01.18 | Grub_Now | hmm |
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| 09:02.37 | cydork | Grub_Now: you can create a meta package using equivs i guess, which has some more dependancies :) |
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| 09:03.43 | BrianSteffens | http://pastebin.com/854112 - would someone please take a look at my smb.conf file and tell me what i'm doing wrong? :( |
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| 09:07.01 | MrSeb | hi, someone has found a problem in new snmpd in sarge testing (updated last week)? Something like a memory leak, the usage of my swap memory goes up, until I restart snmpd... |
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| 09:14.26 | santibiotico | hi |
| 09:15.03 | santibiotico | could anybody recommend me any opensource software tool which i can use to make a daily server backup?? |
| 09:15.14 | nanotube | Hello all, i'm trying to backport one debian package. I'm following the steps on backports webpage but i'm not sure about version . it says: Append ?~bpo.${build_int}? to the version number, e.g. ?1.2.3-4? now becomes ?1.2.3-4~bpo.1?, do I have to do this manualy or there is some file which I should edit before I actually build the package..? thank you |
| 09:15.30 | fireba11 | santibiotico: check out bacula .. version 2 jsut came out |
| 09:15.43 | santibiotico | thx fireba11 |
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| 09:16.36 | blahdeblah_ | How can i find out if etch amd64 supports the ATI Radeon X300SE? |
| 09:17.06 | fireba11 | blahdeblah_: it does |
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| 09:19.01 | fireba11 | how to get dpkg to rely to soemthig without the "blah is like .." |
| 09:19.32 | blahdeblah_ | fireba11: Any way to verify that? |
| 09:20.02 | fireba11 | blahdeblah_: x300 is still supported by the open source driver afaik |
| 09:20.27 | blahdeblah_ | Yeah - i'm asking how i can physically verify it on my existing etch system. |
| 09:20.55 | fireba11 | blahdeblah_: ah ..get a amd64 live-cd :-D |
| 09:22.19 | blahdeblah_ | I guess i need to be clearer: i have an etch amd64 system. It's got onboard video, and it doesn't work with the current kernel. I'm planning to go out tomorrow and buy an X300 PCIe card if i can confirm it works ahead of time. |
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| 09:22.41 | fireba11 | blahdeblah_: ah ... see compatibility lists for the driver package then |
| 09:22.59 | blahdeblah_ | Would that be xserver-xorg-...? |
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| 09:27.35 | fireba11 | blahdeblah_: if the free driver still works for it yes |
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| 09:29.39 | spahija | hi all ..trying to install xfce4 and when I try to run startx it comes up with cant load module kdb and noiuse |
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| 09:29.52 | spahija | hi all ..trying to install xfce4 and when I try to run startx it comes up with cant load module kdb and mouse |
| 09:29.54 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: I saw that today |
| 09:30.11 | spahija | blahdeblah_, yes...can you help me |
| 09:30.25 | blahdeblah_ | Do you have xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed? |
| 09:30.34 | spahija | blahdeblah_, not sure... |
| 09:30.37 | spahija | checking |
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| 09:30.54 | blahdeblah_ | OK - next stupid question: what's the command for regenerating an appropriate initrd for an installed kernel? |
| 09:31.09 | SlayerXP | mkinitrd |
| 09:31.49 | spahija | blahdeblah_, no I dont..so I guess I need to install them :D |
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| 09:32.02 | blahdeblah_ | SlayerXP: Isn't there a Debian wrapper around it? |
| 09:32.06 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: Yup |
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| 09:32.41 | spahija | blahdeblah_, but shouldnt that be added when I try to install xfce4 and desktop ? |
| 09:32.57 | tonsofpcs | how do i change a user's home directory? |
| 09:32.59 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: Don't know - there could be some broken package dependencies? |
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| 09:33.26 | spahija | blahdeblah_, its brand new fresh install..no errors what so ever in apt |
| 09:34.04 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: I mean in the package itself |
| 09:34.23 | spahija | blahdeblah_, could be..first time for me to see this anyhow |
| 09:34.29 | blahdeblah_ | tonsofpcs: Depends, but simple answer: move the directory and then edit /etc/passwd to reflect the change |
| 09:34.50 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: I had to install them manually as well, so i'm guessing we both just missed some important meta-package. |
| 09:34.50 | tonsofpcs | depends? |
| 09:35.14 | blahdeblah_ | tonsofpcs: You could be using a different nsswitch source, in which case the user record won't even be in /etc/passwd |
| 09:35.24 | blahdeblah_ | tonsofpcs: P.S. edit /etc/passwd with vipw |
| 09:35.34 | spahija | blahdeblah_, hm...I was lucky then,,,to find another soul that had same problem and managed to fix it :D ...thanks a million |
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| 09:36.13 | Ramonskie | help just 5 min ago many direcotrys are read only and i didnt do a thing :S how can i reverse this |
| 09:36.15 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: You're welcome |
| 09:36.41 | san | hi |
| 09:36.53 | san | hi |
| 09:37.05 | blahdeblah_ | Ramonskie: I don't understand the question |
| 09:37.38 | reco | can sombody please telme where the default location for zlib and jpeglib are in debian? |
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| 09:37.45 | tonsofpcs | nope, users home is set to what it should be in /etc/passwd, but on login it revets to /root |
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| 09:38.06 | blahdeblah_ | tonsofpcs: That means the ownership or permissions on the home dir are wrong |
| 09:38.15 | Ramonskie | well i was just wanted to edit a file tru ftp and it gives me a message that it is read-only but the strange thing is that it worked 10 min ago |
| 09:39.06 | Ramonskie | reco: use locate |
| 09:39.50 | spahija | blahdeblah_, one more Q ..this time about local settings..how can I change from english to lets say swedish or norwegian |
| 09:39.51 | blondie | !ftp |
| 09:39.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 09:40.33 | raj | -bash: symbol lookup error: -bash: undefined symbol: rl_variable_value |
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| 09:42.06 | spahija | blahdeblah_, dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 09:43.25 | spahija | does anyone knows |
| 09:43.39 | spahija | how to change locales |
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| 09:43.46 | blondie | no, nobody |
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| 09:44.57 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: Temporarily, export LANG=en_US (choose your local equivalent); permanently, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:45.01 | Hoxzer | screw you guys I'm going school |
| 09:45.41 | spahija | blahdeblah_, I did but xfce4 still shows old language |
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| 09:46.31 | maddash | my .xsession isn't getting executed. I'm using wdm and icewm. any clues? |
| 09:46.51 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: You probably have to restart X for that to take effect |
| 09:47.14 | blahdeblah_ | blondie: We'll all plead ignorance until they switch to en_US, eh? ;-) |
| 09:47.18 | spahija | blahdeblah_, not using gdm ...I use startx to start xsession so its restarted each time I logout |
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| 09:47.36 | blahdeblah_ | spahija: Set it temporarily before you run startx and see if that helps./ |
| 09:48.58 | blondie | I don't use en_US |
| 09:49.33 | spahija | blahdeblah_, works but it seams that it shows the same for swedish and norwegian |
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| 09:53.40 | hakancengiz | selamlar |
| 09:54.24 | spahija | blondie, what locales do you use ? |
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| 09:55.04 | spahija | so annoying |
| 09:55.18 | MatBoy | fast ! |
| 09:55.22 | MatBoy | hehe fat :p |
| 09:55.32 | blondie | spahija: en_GB |
| 09:55.39 | spahija | MatBoy, xfce is fast |
| 09:55.45 | spahija | blondie, I see |
| 09:55.52 | MatBoy | spahija, and it works also nice |
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| 09:56.43 | spahija | MatBoy, sure..when I need light and fast I go for that one :D |
| 09:56.57 | MatBoy | spahija, yeah, KDE is slow |
| 09:57.02 | MatBoy | I have seen now |
| 09:57.11 | spahija | naah...depends on PC |
| 09:57.12 | MatBoy | and on Gnome does everything work normally |
| 09:57.18 | MatBoy | P4 3,2 GHz |
| 09:57.19 | MatBoy | BUT |
| 09:57.24 | MatBoy | with 4 TFT's |
| 09:57.30 | MatBoy | so it needs to calc a lot |
| 09:57.34 | Ramonskie | can some one help me with my read-only problem? many files are read-only this happend just a few min ago. first which log file do i need to search for so i can see who did it and what command they use or isnt this logged?? |
| 09:57.37 | spahija | :D |
| 09:57.52 | MatBoy | hehe, for the first time I have linux how I wisked it ! |
| 09:57.57 | MatBoy | wished |
| 09:59.06 | BrianSteffens | sigh, can someone please help me? my samba server will not accept any username or password :( |
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| 09:59.33 | prumprum | is it possible to say, if process X starts, only give it 50% cpu capacity ? |
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| 10:00.15 | cahoot | Ramonskie: start with dmesg - fs korruption? |
| 10:01.48 | Ramonskie | dmesg -fs (shows usage what command do i need |
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| 10:02.50 | Dunedan | prumprum: Have a look at cpulimit. |
| 10:03.33 | Fox | Ramonskie: cahoot said dmesg, not dmesg -fs |
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| 10:03.58 | Ramonskie | my mistake but it gives errors |
| 10:04.10 | Ramonskie | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
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| 10:04.30 | Ramonskie | does that mean broken hdd |
| 10:04.31 | Ramonskie | ? |
| 10:04.56 | Fox | maybe |
| 10:05.10 | Fox | you should fsck the filesystem if it's already readonly |
| 10:05.18 | cahoot | Ramonskie: firts do a backup |
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| 10:06.35 | Ramonskie | owkay iįm doing backup now |
| 10:06.39 | san | hm |
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| 10:11.38 | MoDaX | BrianSteffens: use smbpasswd to set password |
| 10:11.55 | prumprum | Dunedan, thanks |
| 10:13.10 | BrianSteffens | MoDaX omg thank you lol |
| 10:13.44 | MoDaX | BrianSteffens: np |
| 10:14.03 | prumprum | Dunedan, it would have been nice, if it was possible to say, if the cpu's are not in use, you can use 100% however if there are other processes running as well, use 50% |
| 10:15.01 | sep | prumprum, can't you just rut it with nice ? |
| 10:16.12 | prumprum | sep, but the process i need to limit, doesn't run continuously it runs every now and then |
| 10:16.59 | sep | prumprum, so alter the way it starts to allways have a nice value |
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| 10:18.09 | Coke | Is there a fix in Debian testing for problems like "./libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)" ? |
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| 10:18.58 | BrianSteffens | MoDaX: i never set an smbpasswd in the first place, and passing nothing, as well as the root password, won't let me change it |
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| 10:19.43 | prumprum | sep, well i dont control the start up of this process, that's done internally in a piece of software |
| 10:19.46 | MoDaX | BrianSteffens: root might be denied by default |
| 10:21.46 | MoDaX | BrianSteffens: smbpasswd -a <your user name>; enter password twice; voila |
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| 10:22.15 | BrianSteffens | MoDaX: figured that out right as you said it ;D thank you |
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| 10:34.06 | craigevil | why am i getting X is not in your path when trying to compile an app? |
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| 10:35.00 | RichiH | craigevil: on a hunch, i would say you are lacking the header info |
| 10:35.18 | ilyak | How do I create an ad-hoc wifi cell with WPA2? |
| 10:35.31 | ilyak | wpa_supplicant doesn't seem to support ad-hoc |
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| 10:58.20 | iuso | hi, where in etch can i set which interfaces are brought up on boot? |
| 10:58.27 | iuso | and/or on cable connect |
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| 10:59.52 | comsa | hi has anyone had success with ATI driver installer |
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| 11:01.31 | eleftherios | anyone knows when python 2.5 is expected to make it into Etch? |
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| 11:02.47 | blondie | eleftherios: I would expect never as etch is frozen |
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| 11:06.24 | eleftherios | blondie, ah you're right |
| 11:06.28 | eleftherios | forgot about that |
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| 11:07.46 | cydork | !info python2.5 etch |
| 11:07.56 | dpkg_ | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3362 kB, Installed size: 12188 kB |
| 11:08.16 | cydork | eleftherios: ^^ |
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| 11:08.53 | eleftherios | oops |
| 11:09.21 | eleftherios | hm, I wonder how I could turn it into the default instead of 2.4 |
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| 11:10.59 | ufk | i want a debian netinst CD with kernel 2.6.18 |
| 11:11.07 | ufk | is there such a thing? and if not how can i create such a thing |
| 11:11.19 | craigevil | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes, wtf am I getting this when running configure |
| 11:11.29 | fireba11 | ufk: either use etch or one of the custom ones |
| 11:11.41 | fireba11 | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:11.42 | dpkg_ | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 11:13.48 | ufk | i want to install using kernel 2.6.18 |
| 11:14.08 | Shendar | hmm...i have small problem. when i want to startx i become error message "no screen found". How i can fix it? I have laptop |
| 11:14.09 | ufk | older versions breaks my sata |
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| 11:15.57 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:17.15 | J_P | people, are there one date for release debian 4.0 ? I read on news week that was in december 2006.. |
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| 11:17.40 | raf256 | !topicsmite J_P |
| 11:17.40 | dpkg_ | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon J_P. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:20.22 | vince36 | hi all, can someone remind me how can i list the environment variables on my system please ? |
| 11:20.45 | raf256 | vince36: with the evn commend |
| 11:20.56 | cydork | s/evn/env/ |
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| 11:21.07 | raf256 | bah |
| 11:21.26 | vince36 | great , thx |
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| 11:22.00 | vorsprung | vince36, env gives all the environment variables in your current shell |
| 11:22.23 | vince36 | Shendar, did yu reconfigure yur xserver yurself yet ? |
| 11:22.35 | Shendar | will now |
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| 11:23.03 | vince36 | vorsprung, yes , its exactly what i want , (o: , cool |
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| 11:28.06 | enouf | vorsprung: so what's the dealio with 'set | less' .. also 'something $' .. i can't friggin recall |
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| 11:32.01 | vince36 | vorsprung, i dont see $date in the output of env here , is it because it's a global system variable ? |
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| 11:32.42 | vince36 | aw, it's ok , i can use it , i dont care |
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| 11:37.22 | enouf | ya know. the way to display all these types of variables echo $BASH_COMPLETION_DIR |
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| 11:43.08 | prumprum | anyone know a website where you can create free self-sign ssl certificates? |
| 11:43.39 | disposable | how do i make my system not to resume from hibernation but to boot normally? i use swsusp. |
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| 11:48.47 | jelly-home | disposable: which boot loader do you use? You could just remove the resume=... bit if it's grub |
| 11:49.46 | tabris|away | prumprum: self-sign... just make 'em yourself w/o no steenkin' website. |
| 11:49.48 | w00ter | I can't install phpmyadmin for some obscure reason. It wasn't working anymore, now did a apt-get remove phpmyadmin. When aptgetting it now it doesn't seem to have a candidate |
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| 11:50.24 | prumprum | tabris|away, i find it so much work to make a simple certificate |
| 11:50.51 | tabris|away | yes, can be much work. but you're still better off following a howto and spending hte half hour doing it. |
| 11:50.55 | tabris|away | i've had ot do it often enough |
| 11:51.06 | tabris|away | and one of tehse days i'm gonna write a proper script to handle it, but not today. |
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| 11:51.47 | tabris|away | w00ter: which distro? etch? sarge? |
| 11:51.53 | w00ter | sarge |
| 11:52.00 | raf256 | jelly-home: hello :) can I PM you regarding i810 etc |
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| 11:52.35 | jelly-home | raf256: eh? ok |
| 11:52.45 | w00ter | apt-cache search finds phpmyadmin |
| 11:52.55 | tabris|away | yes, but just b/c it finds it doesn't mean anything |
| 11:53.10 | w00ter | Obviously ;) |
| 11:53.28 | tabris|away | w00ter: php4 or php5? |
| 11:53.40 | w00ter | Good question, I think php4 but will check |
| 11:53.50 | tabris|away | w00ter: from what i'm seeing on my amd64 sarge box, it seems to require php4 (or at least that's what it would install, were I to install it) |
| 11:55.00 | w00ter | what is the command for checking whether a package is installed ? |
| 11:55.25 | tabris|away | try dpkg -l *php* |
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| 11:56.09 | cyzie | how do i avoid a user from being log when i view using the command last? |
| 11:56.11 | enouf | aha!... I recall now .. it's just $ <tab><tab> ... violį |
| 11:56.19 | enouf | :-) |
| 11:56.55 | w00ter | ii php4 4.3.10-18 |
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| 11:57.52 | w00ter | rc phpmyadmin 2.6.2-3sarge3 <-- what does that tell me... that it was previously installed but now removed? |
| 11:58.24 | tabris|away | w00ter: tbh I only know how to read the first letter, not the second. |
| 11:58.56 | tabris|away | w00ter: you can also try dpkg -s phpmyadmin |
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| 11:59.41 | jelly-home | w00ter: yes, what you said. It was removed and config files are still present. |
| 11:59.51 | gan | hi chan |
| 12:00.27 | w00ter | jelly-home, that's what i see with dpkg -s too: Status: deinstall ok config-files |
| 12:00.48 | gan | i'm getting problem during running the cmd "apt-get update updatew" |
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| 12:01.45 | gan | the prob. is "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 12:03.20 | cyzie | how do i avoid a user from being log when i view using the command last? |
| 12:04.23 | w00ter | Maybe I should try some other source in my sources.list |
| 12:05.04 | SpooForBrains | Hi all. I'd like to configure my shell slightly differently and am not sure how. |
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| 12:05.32 | SpooForBrains | Specifically, I'd like file listings to have colours, and I'd like l aliased to (I think) ls -alF |
| 12:05.54 | SpooForBrains | and I'm not sure how to do the first one at all, and I'm not sure how to make the second one effective by default |
| 12:06.49 | cyzie | SpooForBrains, check in .bashrc file |
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| 12:07.07 | jetscreamer | that and .bash_profile |
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| 12:07.48 | jetscreamer | that's ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 12:08.04 | SpooForBrains | Wow, that was easy |
| 12:08.12 | SpooForBrains | thanks, cyzie and jetscreamer |
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| 12:08.24 | SpooForBrains | just needed to uncomment a couple of lines |
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| 12:10.49 | w00ter | Ok, now i've totally removed and purged phpmyadmin and installed it again. I get the same prob i had before: phpmyadmin can't read the config file |
| 12:11.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:11.14 | Esaj | ?is it possible to have a ram quota for user processes |
| 12:11.19 | jetscreamer | iirc, w00ter |
| 12:11.31 | jetscreamer | you have to manually chmod the .ini or something |
| 12:11.44 | w00ter | Hmm i'll have a looksee. |
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| 12:11.48 | jetscreamer | it's a 'security' feature... and you have to change it back too |
| 12:12.01 | scx | I have 1 SATA2 with / and 1 IDE HD with /boot and swap |
| 12:12.02 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.01 | w00ter | jetscreamer, I've chmodded it 777 but still get the same message. |
| 12:13.05 | scx | I don't reallyb know how usefull is RAID 0 |
| 12:13.35 | jetscreamer | w00ter: i used phpmyadmin once and that was in the docs and i had to do it... all i know dude sory |
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| 12:13.52 | w00ter | no worries, i'll look for some install doc |
| 12:15.09 | anapivirtua_ | Bonjour a tous \ Hello all :) |
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| 12:18.33 | raf256 | I seriously wonder - perhaps even stable debian should include 2.6.19.1 |
| 12:19.05 | raf256 | quite meany devices do not work with older kernels for instance intell laptops (no audio on older kernels) |
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| 12:25.46 | erore | Any info on when etch will become stable? |
| 12:28.47 | fireba11 | erore: when it's done :-) but shouldn't be long now |
| 12:29.14 | erore | I know. But is it half a year away or just a month or two or a year? :) |
| 12:29.24 | fireba11 | erore: more like weeks |
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| 12:29.45 | erore | great thanks :) |
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| 12:29.57 | jetscreamer | i guarantee etch will be released by 2010 |
| 12:30.03 | jetscreamer | or your money back |
| 12:30.15 | cydork | jetscreamer: what money? :) |
| 12:30.21 | jetscreamer | exactly |
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| 12:31.51 | w00ter | I've got eskuel install now fine. But I need phpmyadmin... just can't get it to work. How frustrating. The error messages tell me nothing. |
| 12:33.56 | fireba11 | w00ter: ? taht is really easy normally ^^ |
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| 12:34.56 | Neeesat25 | I using hg drivers for my dvb card and dmesg gives me this: dvb-ttpci: StartHWFilter error buf 0b07 0010 0117 b96a ret 0 handle ffff |
| 12:34.57 | w00ter | fireba11, phpmyadmin stopped working couple of months ago. Dunno why. Now it says it can't read the config.inc.php file. I've chmodded it and chowned it to everything :) |
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| 12:35.25 | fireba11 | w00ter: reinstalled it ? |
| 12:35.36 | w00ter | Yes, purged it, and reinstalled it |
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| 12:36.50 | w00ter | It installs a config.inc.php in both etc/phpmyadmin and /usr/share/phpmyadmin. By renaming i tried to find out which file it actually looks at (the etc one) |
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| 12:37.19 | pablo_ | hi, how do i use linux-wlan-ng drivers instead of orinoco ones |
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| 12:40.26 | intruder | hi |
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| 12:43.03 | magic_stone | Hello :) |
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| 12:43.28 | w00ter | This is the error: http://62.216.18.183/phpmyadmin/ (in dutch) |
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| 12:44.18 | sybec | Hello |
| 12:44.32 | blondie | w00ter: english please |
| 12:44.49 | blondie | w00ter: eh, that's in english not dutch |
| 12:45.00 | intruder | im trying to find a way to rename files so that it only keeps the 10 last characters of files for each files ? |
| 12:45.05 | w00ter | Then it's localised :) |
| 12:45.32 | w00ter | blondie, then at least something at phpmyadmin works :) |
| 12:45.41 | blondie | w00ter: did you do what it suggested? |
| 12:45.49 | pablo_ | hi, how do i use linux-wlan-ng drivers instead of orinoco ones |
| 12:46.21 | w00ter | blondie, it doesn't tell me a lot. If you click on the file it shows a blank page. |
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| 12:46.50 | nethenson | hello |
| 12:47.20 | w00ter | It's says: there are no problems when a blank page is displayd. Well.. there are no problems indeed. There isn't a working phpmyadmin either :) |
| 12:47.56 | w00ter | Oh well, I'll go for a source install then. |
| 12:48.20 | sybec | intruder: perhaps #awk/#sed can help? |
| 12:48.40 | intruder | sybec: they both do the same job ? |
| 12:48.51 | sybec | not really |
| 12:48.53 | sybec | most likely #awk |
| 12:49.00 | intruder | ok thanks |
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| 12:51.14 | magic_stone | i'm sorry the question but i install the firefox whith ia32 and it works fine but when i try to download something lookÅ me the file manager some [][][] say that don`t reconnigze the letters :| when i try to chose the place where i put my file |
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| 12:51.45 | magic_stone | the system is amd64 bits |
| 12:51.48 | magic_stone | etch |
| 12:52.02 | magic_stone | ia32-libs working ... |
| 12:52.21 | Hoxzer | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=45991#45991 |
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| 12:55.38 | blondie | magic_stone: I don't recognise your letters either |
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| 12:57.25 | magic_stone | blondie yes te directories when is to chose the place where put the file they came like ... if don`t have reconize the letters like when you try to acess one website from china and don`t have the right characters to display the letters |
| 12:57.27 | magic_stone | :| |
| 12:57.30 | magic_stone | duno why |
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| 13:00.37 | xk | hmm... what's the solution to fix flash so it can play audio? lsof reveals it's opening timer and pcm 1000 times before it gives up and eventually segfaults. |
| 13:00.43 | wam_ | I'm looking for a ready-to-use pi/visitor-Tracker based on webbugs. Something like phpopentracker, but already with user-management, multi-site, ... Something like "etracker.de" is using. Does anyone know such software (free, of course)? |
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| 13:01.53 | magic_stone | xk you are using flash 9 ? |
| 13:02.01 | SpooForBrains | this debian machine I'm configuring is using exim. Is that a competent MTA? Never used it. |
| 13:02.15 | xk | magic_stone: yes, flash 9 beta. |
| 13:02.37 | magic_stone | right ... :) they have audio problems i thinks duno if they reoslve it now |
| 13:02.38 | xk | started to happen after i upgraded to etch |
| 13:02.57 | sybec | meh.. I'm *forced* into having exim installed because of Mutt.. even though I don't need it |
| 13:03.09 | magic_stone | flash 9 whith audio never works here :| |
| 13:03.11 | xk | magic_stone: what's the solution? downgrade? |
| 13:03.23 | magic_stone | xk don`t know :| |
| 13:03.28 | xk | bah @ proprietary software. |
| 13:03.39 | SpooForBrains | I favour postfix myself, but since exim is already there, I might go with it, unless it's like ... say ... washu IMAP (shudder) |
| 13:03.39 | xk | just like the ati driver. it's a _chunk_ of crap. |
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| 13:04.26 | xk | magic_stone: are you using etch? |
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| 13:06.23 | xk | hmm... also... after all these newbies started posting linux error messages to forums that googles picks up, google results are worthless since they contain _incorrect solutions_ by moronic armchair experts. |
| 13:06.53 | xk | i can't believe the incompetence. |
| 13:07.38 | rabe | :) |
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| 13:08.26 | sybec | incompetence in the linux user base.. shocking |
| 13:09.33 | enouf | flashcrap/proprietary shit incompetence? .. amazing! |
| 13:10.17 | xk | enouf: no, users who know how to diagnose problems and give a solution that is totally wrong. |
| 13:10.25 | xk | who think they know |
| 13:10.39 | xk | but the proprietary issue is another issue ;) |
| 13:10.40 | xk | er |
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| 13:14.16 | powerfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.17 | magic_stone | xk yes i'm using etch i install it last day |
| 13:16.00 | xk | hmm... do you use iceweasel? |
| 13:16.12 | magic_stone | xk no i'm try to install firefox |
| 13:16.20 | magic_stone | but is giving to me one error |
| 13:16.38 | fireba11 | haha |
| 13:16.42 | magic_stone | probably they are doing this because they have now microosft suporte |
| 13:16.50 | fireba11 | !iceweasel |
| 13:16.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 13:16.51 | xk | debian's package has support to use 'aoss'. |
| 13:16.59 | magic_stone | and they are forget they are opensource like us |
| 13:17.05 | magic_stone | duno :\ |
| 13:17.21 | vince36 | if anyone knows a site to learn the basics of bash scripting...i 'm intersted |
| 13:17.23 | magic_stone | they know bether then i |
| 13:17.27 | magic_stone | i think :\ |
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| 13:20.02 | deebu | when will Debian Etch FINAL release....can anyone temme plz?? |
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| 13:20.28 | magic_stone | deebu anyone knows but it is already frozen |
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| 13:21.19 | deebu | magic_stone, frozen? does that mean that versions of packages will remain as they are? when will it release...any tentative dates? |
| 13:21.32 | deebu | magic_stone, im new so plz pardon me |
| 13:21.45 | fireba11 | deebu: nope . .depends on hwo long it takes to fix release-critical bugs |
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| 13:22.02 | sybec | deebu: why don't you just install etch in it's current form? |
| 13:22.36 | enouf | vince36: http://gnu.org/software/bash/manual go to #bash and read the /topic, follow the links |
| 13:23.00 | deebu | sybec, i tried but began havin probs with the weekly cd...no kernel...didnt recognize my intel ethernet...n so on.. |
| 13:23.26 | vince36 | enouf, thx |
| 13:23.36 | sybec | install sid and upgrade to etch then? |
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| 13:23.42 | sybec | -install sarge |
| 13:23.59 | magic_stone | http://release.debian.org/ |
| 13:24.05 | magic_stone | deebu check this |
| 13:24.06 | deebu | sybec, actually ive slow connection...so ive to tell my brother abroad to download ALL 3 dvds of debian when etch is out....n bcoz i want debian real soon...i dunno what to do |
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| 13:24.16 | usr13 | How can I get better fonts? |
| 13:24.29 | usr13 | Nicer looking fonts? |
| 13:24.34 | sybec | find a company that ships debian cds? |
| 13:24.41 | nopealicious | hi, when installing the ATI-fglrx drivers .rpm using "alien -i .." i get: |
| 13:24.43 | nopealicious | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.54 | nopealicious | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 13:25.23 | xk | fglrx, heh... |
| 13:25.39 | xk | that driver _always_ used to crash for me after ~14 days uptime |
| 13:25.41 | xk | _always_ |
| 13:25.51 | nopealicious | hm.. |
| 13:25.55 | nopealicious | it won't install :X |
| 13:26.03 | jetscreamer | nopealicious: bad method |
| 13:26.07 | xk | sarge? etch? |
| 13:26.08 | sybec | usr13: which fonts do you have now? |
| 13:26.10 | nopealicious | sarge |
| 13:26.27 | nopealicious | jetscreamer, know of another method? |
| 13:26.28 | magic_stone | xk lol you shure about that? |
| 13:26.30 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.30 | xk | nopealicious: or you can do what I did; upgrade to etch |
| 13:26.34 | vince36 | usr13, may be msttcorefonts.../o |
| 13:26.40 | sybec | usr13: I see |
| 13:26.52 | xk | magic_stone: sure? yes, because it solved _all_ my problems to not to use the ati driver ;) |
| 13:26.58 | nopealicious | xk, why would i want to do that? |
| 13:27.00 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.00 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh |
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| 13:27.14 | usr13 | msttcorefonts.../o ? |
| 13:27.35 | xk | nopealicious: what graphics card? my card is now not supported by fglrx so I had no option. |
| 13:27.55 | nopealicious | radeon x1300 |
| 13:27.56 | xk | plus the ati driver only supports 24bpp |
| 13:28.03 | nopealicious | should be supported allright |
| 13:28.05 | xk | try 16bpp or 32bpp - bang, machine crashes. |
| 13:28.09 | vince36 | msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts |
| 13:28.19 | vince36 | ... |
| 13:28.26 | nopealicious | but it shows me an error about overwriting some lib.. |
| 13:28.38 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.39 | nopealicious | can't i just tell apt to ignore that it overwrites stuff? |
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| 13:29.00 | sybec | usr13: Well then.. how could we recommend "better looking fonts" if we don't know who they're supposed to be "better looking" than. Also.. define "better looking" because.. |
| 13:29.02 | xk | don't use the rpm package |
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| 13:29.15 | nopealicious | grml |
| 13:29.23 | nopealicious | what do these ppl supply it for then? |
| 13:29.24 | vince36 | usr13, did yu try to manage yur fonts system before ? |
| 13:29.32 | xk | for redhat people? |
| 13:29.33 | magic_stone | xk :| great you solve your problems :| i'm asking you because look's i'm start need to really use this driver or vesa driver lol |
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| 13:29.41 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.46 | nopealicious | right, and what is the program "alien" for then? |
| 13:29.58 | xk | it shouldn't have been created in the first place ;) |
| 13:30.08 | vince36 | usr13, deal with yur fonts system and the way to manage it then befaore |
| 13:30.21 | vince36 | sory for my english |
| 13:30.37 | nopealicious | thats your subjective opinion on a mess of package managers |
| 13:30.48 | nopealicious | thanks for no help at all xk =S |
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| 13:31.21 | xk | well, it's not good practice to install a package from a different distribution which may have wrong or conflicting assumptions |
| 13:31.51 | nopealicious | how about oyu tell me something i don't know? :X |
| 13:32.06 | sybec | I kissed a horse on the mouth once |
| 13:32.13 | sybec | did you know that? |
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| 13:32.33 | xk | nopealicious: why not try the .run version of fglrx? that's what I used to use. |
| 13:32.45 | xk | nopealicious: eg: ati-driver-installer-8.30.3.run |
| 13:32.48 | usr13 | Ok, another issue: How can I tell wifi0 to use a different essid on boot up. |
| 13:32.51 | usr13 | ? |
| 13:33.16 | nopealicious | jetscreamer, that script errors complaining aboput no kantonix found.. |
| 13:33.32 | nopealicious | might be since there is no kantonix-version in /etc/ at my machien :X |
| 13:34.00 | jetscreamer | nopealicious: then he's changed it since last i checked |
| 13:34.02 | nopealicious | xk, i got the drivers from the ati (which is aparently AMD now) page |
| 13:34.23 | usr13 | I suppose I should put lines in /etc/network/interfaces but not sure what to do. |
| 13:34.24 | nopealicious | and all it gave me as downloadoption was this .rpm archive |
| 13:34.24 | jetscreamer | nopealicious: i've had success just using the ati/amd installer |
| 13:34.34 | nopealicious | hrm |
| 13:34.38 | jetscreamer | non-rpm tough |
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| 13:34.52 | usr13 | /sbin/iwconfig wifi0 essid linksys ? or...? |
| 13:35.23 | usr13 | or is /etc/network/interfaces the right place to put it? |
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| 13:35.34 | usr13 | /etc/network/options? |
| 13:35.45 | nopealicious | ok thanks guys.. |
| 13:35.52 | nopealicious | i aparently looked at the wrong link |
| 13:36.12 | nopealicious | loading some *.run file now :D |
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| 13:36.22 | xk | ;) |
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| 13:36.36 | nopealicious | it has 55M, so i thought i'd go better the 11M for the .rpm |
| 13:36.42 | nopealicious | guess i didn't :) |
| 13:36.55 | usr13 | Ok, well thanks anyway. Better go for now... |
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| 13:38.48 | tristano | i'm trying to connect 2 pcs, one with windows, the other with debian, through samba. now windows sees the debian host, but isn't possible to see shared folders, i have an error that says: user could not have authorizations to use network resorce |
| 13:38.50 | centrx | "It is not overreaching to say that if you have young children who play computer games or use the Internet you are basically remiss if you do not upgrade to Vista as soon as possible." |
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| 13:39.06 | J_P | people, I would like know if what machine is better for run debian + postgresql : "Pentium 4 D 3.2GHz" or "Pentium Core2 Duo 1,8GHz". Remeber OS is Linux 32 bit |
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| 13:39.26 | jetscreamer | core2's are faster |
| 13:39.52 | centrx | tristano, what is your "security =" parameter in smb.conf ? |
| 13:39.56 | centrx | tristano, or what security are you using |
| 13:40.00 | J_P | jetscreamer: but did you see clock diference ? |
| 13:40.22 | tristano | centrx, i use smb4k for configuring |
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| 13:41.25 | magic_stone | someone knows why this happend to me |
| 13:41.26 | magic_stone | http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2075/debianetchfirefox2pg0.png |
| 13:41.27 | magic_stone | :\ |
| 13:41.36 | centrx | tristano, that's a client program |
| 13:42.13 | centrx | tristano, that's the program you use to access the windows shares from debian, right. It doesn't look like it is for configuring the server? |
| 13:42.18 | xk | J_P: avoid the pentium 4 like the plague. |
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| 13:42.52 | tristano | centrx, i'm sorry, |
| 13:43.02 | centrx | tristano, well I don't know, I'm asking |
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| 13:43.42 | tristano | centrx: for server i use control center in kde |
| 13:43.48 | centrx | okay |
| 13:44.05 | centrx | I don't know that particular tool, but in general you can either have user-based authentication or share-based authentication |
| 13:44.28 | centrx | the user-based authentication has a list of users with individual passwords, and permissions are set per user |
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| 13:44.47 | centrx | the share-based authentication has no user list but specific passwords for each share |
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| 13:44.53 | gebruiker | what do these lines mean: binary: binary-indep binary-arch .PHONY: build clean binary-indep binary-arch binary install |
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| 13:45.31 | centrx | tristano, that latter is much easier to set up and use (and was all that was possible for Windows 98, if you might recall), so it is better if you are just doing simple sharing |
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| 13:45.31 | jetscreamer | gebruiker: looks like make-kpkg --targets output to me |
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| 13:47.07 | tristano | centrx: ok, i.m using simple share, but i don't understand wich users could be have access. windows users or local users? |
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| 13:49.08 | centrx | tristano, local users |
| 13:49.13 | roby | I need to do command line losless jpeg image rotation, any ideas? |
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| 13:50.17 | jetscreamer | i have an idea |
| 13:50.22 | jetscreamer | pizza for breakfast |
| 13:50.31 | janttsu | that's usual |
| 13:50.33 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way of knowing which client of and NFS server is creating more traffic? |
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| 13:51.38 | E-bola | IS there any way to disable ipv6 support in the debian stock kernels? (without recompiling) |
| 13:51.40 | centrx | tristano, or rather, I think you can create separate list of users, in the smbpasswd file |
| 13:52.11 | AskSokagi8621 | slm |
| 13:52.21 | centrx | E-bola, there is probably a proc variable you can change |
| 13:53.11 | E-bola | Can you downgrade etch to sarge (on a system where sarge have never been installed) |
| 13:53.15 | Knight_Lord | E-bola you can always go the brute force way and delete the kernel/net/ipv6 modules |
| 13:53.42 | E-bola | Knight_Lord: wouldnt that give me errors? |
| 13:53.46 | centrx | oh well if they are modules you can just remove them |
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| 13:54.17 | Knight_Lord | E-bola maybe not, but i don't guarantee |
| 13:54.19 | BjoeHrn | Hey dudes :) |
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| 13:54.42 | BjoeHrn | Which image I need too download from this site? http://ftp.tiscali.de/pub/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:54.58 | BjoeHrn | I want to install debian on my old computer |
| 13:55.11 | centrx | BjoeHrn, you only need the first one |
| 13:55.18 | centrx | BjoeHrn, you could also forgo the large CD and do a net install |
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| 13:55.27 | naddar | anyone know how to start mailman? |
| 13:55.53 | acemo | typing "/msg nickserv register <your-password>" would register my current nickname? |
| 13:56.28 | BjoeHrn | centrx, thank you |
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| 13:56.43 | naddar | anyone can help? |
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| 13:57.19 | Kvant | acemo, did you try it? |
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| 13:57.24 | sep | naddar, "start" mailman ? i suggest you start reading /usr/sahre/doc/mailman |
| 13:57.42 | acemo | no, because im afraid it wont do what i think it does, and show my password in this chat |
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| 13:58.02 | tictac | acemo: you can easily change your password... |
| 13:58.04 | naddar | sep: ok thanks i check |
| 13:58.08 | Kvant | acemo, try this: /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:59.18 | acemo | ohh i see |
| 13:59.20 | acemo | thanks kvant |
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| 14:00.34 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way of knowing which client of and NFS server is creating more traffic? |
| 14:01.24 | tristano | centrx: but in windows i don't have a login screen, but an error message! |
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| 14:02.06 | naddar | anyone here |
| 14:02.29 | jetscreamer | no |
| 14:02.33 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 14:02.47 | centrx | tristano, windows is probably automatically logging you in with the current user |
| 14:03.03 | centrx | tristano, a rather program practice on the part of windows |
| 14:03.12 | centrx | tristano, to accommodate windows, then, you could use the windows username |
| 14:04.12 | tristano | centrx, ok, now i try. |
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| 14:06.56 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 14:07.20 | Chris-NB | anyone discovered, that a debian etch installation stalls at the end of downloading forst packages from a mirror? |
| 14:07.29 | tristano | centrx: in order to refresh options, could i have to restart samba? |
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| 14:07.39 | Chris-NB | fetching 22 packages, when this finishes, the setup stalls |
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| 14:07.48 | MikePer | hello. is the NPTL available in Sarge and if so, what do I have to update to use it? |
| 14:07.56 | capiira | maybe the mirror sucks Chris-NB |
| 14:08.02 | centrx | tristano, or reload |
| 14:08.04 | centrx | but yes |
| 14:08.06 | Chris-NB | system runs and responses (consol F2-F4) but console F1 halts |
| 14:08.20 | Chris-NB | capiira, so u suggest to use another mirror? |
| 14:08.21 | centrx | that is, there's a reload option which does not restart the samba server but which reloads the configuration file |
| 14:08.31 | capiira | i would try that yep |
| 14:08.32 | tristano | ok |
| 14:08.40 | Chris-NB | capiira, ok. I'll try |
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| 14:08.54 | capiira | dunno if its possible to change that without reinstalling again |
| 14:08.58 | Ny-Ty | http://irc.host.sk/welcome_in_suse.jpg |
| 14:09.05 | Ny-Ty | this is welcome screen of new installed suse linux :D |
| 14:09.08 | capiira | but thy the main adress |
| 14:09.10 | capiira | try |
| 14:09.18 | Ny-Ty | look |
| 14:09.19 | Ny-Ty | :-))) |
| 14:09.57 | capiira | who here is using testing since years? |
| 14:10.23 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 14:10.27 | jetscreamer | they all move to sid |
| 14:10.32 | capiira | why? |
| 14:11.06 | jetscreamer | testing is boring |
| 14:11.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:11.06 | capiira | heh |
| 14:11.06 | fireba11 | :_D |
| 14:11.34 | capiira | i wonder if i can use testing for desktop without to worry about a system crash someday |
| 14:11.39 | jetscreamer | but seriously, i tried to just use etch/testing... very boring couldn't stand it |
| 14:11.52 | capiira | why boring ? |
| 14:12.04 | jetscreamer | no problems to fix |
| 14:12.11 | capiira | lol |
| 14:12.23 | capiira | thats good |
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| 14:12.32 | capiira | i dont have time for such stuff |
| 14:12.35 | jetscreamer | you will get the very occasional bug,bork |
| 14:12.41 | capiira | i want a running system but not the oldest |
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| 14:13.03 | jetscreamer | usually package version update related |
| 14:13.15 | capiira | in testing ? |
| 14:13.18 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 14:13.21 | mne | hi, I'm looking for a linux tool that can make a video (with audio) out of a powerpoint or openoffice presentation. does anyone know such a tool ? |
| 14:13.25 | jetscreamer | rare, but does happen |
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| 14:13.41 | capiira | but then it gets fixed fast, right? |
| 14:13.46 | imatsu | mne: avidemux, cinelerra |
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| 14:14.06 | fireba11 | i saw a graph of etch bugs a couple days ago .. someone know the URL ? can't remember it |
| 14:14.17 | tristano | centrx, nothing to do, all like before :( |
| 14:14.21 | jetscreamer | you don't want to use cinelerra unless you are into vid editing :) it's not the easiest learning curve |
| 14:14.56 | capiira | i just wont to end someday without X or such hardcore bugs |
| 14:14.58 | jetscreamer | capiira: usually, i think... but i don't run testing so i dunno |
| 14:15.13 | mne | I know cinelerra, but I'll have a look at avidemux. anyway, are you sure that those tools can work with ppt presentations ? I mean ppt is not a video ... it's more like pdf |
| 14:15.26 | capiira | and with a full crashing gnome etc. |
| 14:15.49 | imatsu | mne: no ppt no |
| 14:16.09 | jetscreamer | i've seen a ppt converter... not sure what it converts it into though |
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| 14:16.18 | capiira | txt ;) |
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| 14:16.36 | mne | well, that would be of no use for me then |
| 14:16.41 | jetscreamer | ppthtml - A program for converting Microsoft Power Point Files .ppt |
| 14:16.48 | capiira | was just a joke |
| 14:16.51 | capiira | dunno |
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| 14:17.22 | mne | for windows there are some tools like camtasia studio and such. however, I don't have any windows :P nor do I want to mess with it ;). anyway, thanks guys |
| 14:17.23 | jetscreamer | pptview - view PowerPoint slide shows |
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| 14:19.11 | gutterpunk1 | Hi guyus |
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| 14:19.57 | magic_stone | how can i change the /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libclearlooks.so to executed mode i allready try whith root and nathing :| |
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| 14:20.03 | magic_stone | don`t change anything |
| 14:20.03 | magic_stone | :\ |
| 14:20.20 | DerJamster | who is supposed to execute it? |
| 14:20.28 | gutterpunk1 | I have a huge problem. On our monitoring server I tried to install grub and remove lilo. Installing grub didn't update the bootloader apparently even though I did an install-grub, and the lilo that was on the system could not load any of the images (kernel panic) |
| 14:20.40 | magic_stone | chmod and nathing :\ |
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| 14:21.43 | spyroboy | Er... sorry about last night, I guess I was being a bit of an idiot and just picking a fight :( but I have a real question now. |
| 14:21.46 | gutterpunk1 | So I booted this ubuntu cd (the only one lying around at our datacenter), and tried to chroot into my debian installation to perform a grub-install. But I get messages like "-something- does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 14:21.48 | DerJamster | chmod will change it, unless its a symlink. |
| 14:22.04 | DerJamster | or the FS is read-only, or you're not the owner/not root |
| 14:22.37 | spyroboy | Uh... here's my problem, I got debian installed but I only installed debian cd1 smp amd64, but I don't have kernel sources to compile my wifi drivers. where can I manually download the kernel sources and kernel headers? |
| 14:22.37 | magic_stone | DerJamster symlink ?! |
| 14:22.43 | gutterpunk1 | Other issue is that I don't know how to do it using software raid... which is something we use on this server apparently |
| 14:23.17 | spyroboy | Any ideas? |
| 14:23.42 | DerJamster | magic_stone: ...yeah? |
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| 14:24.09 | magic_stone | ok ... |
| 14:24.22 | magic_stone | abrotman hey |
| 14:24.22 | DerJamster | magic_stone: what does 'file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libclearlooks.so' say? |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | don't you ever sleep ? |
| 14:24.36 | DerJamster | and what exactly do you type when chmodding it? |
| 14:24.52 | magic_stone | DerJamster lokkÅ i got one software that are try to use this file and have only read mode and cannost executed |
| 14:25.06 | magic_stone | to try to resolve some character ... problem in the software |
| 14:25.11 | magic_stone | in some situation |
| 14:25.20 | magic_stone | to see if it works |
| 14:25.26 | magic_stone | is the only error i can check it |
| 14:25.26 | magic_stone | :| |
| 14:25.39 | spyroboy | .. can anyone hear me? or do I need to be identified? |
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| 14:26.03 | DerJamster | I see. You efficiently evaded my questions tho ;P what does 'file blah.so' say, and what are you typing when using chmod? :> |
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| 14:26.17 | deebu | has anyone used axel for downloading files? |
| 14:26.53 | cydork | deebu: yes. |
| 14:27.29 | gutterpunk1 | Please, does anyone have an idea how to reinstall the bootloader using a ubuntu livecd in which I'm currently logged on?... |
| 14:27.34 | deebu | cydork, plz temme...can i pause a dwonload...then resume it on next reboot? |
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| 14:28.23 | deebu | cydork, if yes how? im downloading a 400MB iso....n my home holder shows that 300MB of the file is already there! |
| 14:28.37 | DerJamster | gutterpunk1: mount your hdd, chroot into it, type grub-install |
| 14:28.39 | cydork | deebu: nope afaik it's not possible with axel |
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| 14:28.50 | DerJamster | yay wget |
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| 14:29.11 | jetscreamer | wget -c |
| 14:29.15 | gutterpunk1 | DerJamster, then I just get this: "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
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| 14:29.37 | deebu | cydork, noooooooooooooooooo! but can u explain how come 300mb of the iso is already there in my home folder...and now its increasing to 400...?? |
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| 14:30.53 | DerJamster | gutterpunk1: *ponder* I've seen that error before. mount /proc also, perhaps that will fix it. |
| 14:31.09 | DerJamster | gutterpunk1: And try running udev in the chroot. |
| 14:31.12 | cydork | deebu: it's still downloading .. |
| 14:31.15 | Chris-NB | capiira, I tried another mirror, but with the same result. after downloading the packages, the installation stalls : / |
| 14:31.35 | gutterpunk1 | DerJamster, I'll write that stuff down :) |
| 14:31.41 | Chris-NB | is it possible to stop the installation and install the system manually? |
| 14:31.45 | DerJamster | gebruiker: I'm not sure it will work :> |
| 14:31.46 | capiira | :/ what that for an installation cd? |
| 14:32.04 | Chris-NB | a etch netinstall |
| 14:32.10 | capiira | daily weekly rc1? |
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| 14:32.57 | Chris-NB | ähm, have to look. kernel is 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 14:33.06 | jetscreamer | udev blows |
| 14:33.22 | capiira | hmmm maybe a net install build bug |
| 14:33.27 | jetscreamer | hey did they ever fix that multiple ide controller udev bug? |
| 14:33.49 | jetscreamer | ide/pata/sata whichever |
| 14:33.49 | capiira | dunno |
| 14:33.53 | Chris-NB | capiira, don't think so. I've set up 4 other boxes with that cd |
| 14:34.03 | capiira | strange |
| 14:34.30 | capiira | its a exotic system? |
| 14:35.14 | Chris-NB | not really exotic, but very new : / Dell Dimension 9200 |
| 14:35.24 | Chris-NB | that's the problem I think! |
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| 14:35.32 | capiira | hmmm maybe |
| 14:36.10 | capiira | try to find out what hardware you have and check out if they work good etc. |
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| 14:37.00 | enouf | sata blows |
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| 14:37.38 | Chris-NB | I've done that allready. I've opened the box, inserted another nic (cause onboard nic needs 2.6.18 kernel), connected a cd-rom via usb, cause the internal raid controller doesn't work well |
| 14:37.42 | eMaX_ | hi all |
| 14:37.45 | Chris-NB | I hate that box! : / |
| 14:37.56 | capiira | ohh |
| 14:38.03 | capiira | then maybe becuase of the raid controller |
| 14:38.23 | Chris-NB | i've installed a 3ware controller |
| 14:38.37 | capiira | you could try a ubuntu live cd too to see what happens |
| 14:39.01 | eMaX_ | anyone here having problems with firefox 2.0.0.1 and sun java 5? Whenever I open a page that contains an applet, FF just segfaults. strace reveals just before he reads ~/.java/deployment/deployment.properties. When crashing, he manages to clear up his lockfile. => This problem does not occur if running FF as root. |
| 14:39.47 | eMaX_ | I browsed a bit and verified the java plugin is installed as a symlink. |
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| 14:40.24 | |capiira | got disconnected |
| 14:40.52 | jetscreamer | real men use iceweasel |
| 14:41.00 | |capiira | hehe |
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| 14:41.15 | jetscreamer | real wo-men too |
| 14:41.15 | faust_ | real men use only the 1 and the 0 on the keyboard too. |
| 14:41.29 | |capiira | hehe |
| 14:41.35 | jetscreamer | is wo short ro 'whoa!' |
| 14:41.41 | jetscreamer | s/ro/for/ |
| 14:41.54 | |capiira | a real man tell his wife to type ;) |
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| 14:42.33 | jetscreamer | that would take forever |
| 14:42.37 | |capiira | hehe |
| 14:42.38 | jetscreamer | she can't type |
| 14:42.44 | jetscreamer | well not much |
| 14:42.50 | nayyares | how can i fully dump my system, and if something goes really wrong, i could recover it from? like we do in databases |
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| 14:43.09 | lacostej | Hi. Having an exim4 issue. Probably something trivial. I want both local and remote delivery to work. I picked "mails sent by smarthost; received by SMTP or fetchmail". remote delivery works but mail I want to deliver locally are sent to the remote SMTP server. How can I debug this issue ? |
| 14:43.33 | |capiira | a real man backup with "cp" |
| 14:43.36 | jetscreamer | rsync, tar, umount the partition and dd it, boot a live cd/ second lin os and zip it up... |
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| 14:43.42 | jetscreamer | cp -a |
| 14:43.51 | jetscreamer | but not while the os is running |
| 14:43.56 | okyz_ | hi, im having problems with debootstrap |
| 14:44.10 | okyz_ | anyone here who knows the utility |
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| 14:44.58 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 14:44.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:45.19 | RichiH | okyz_: we need a better question than that ;) |
| 14:45.47 | okyz_ | okay, let me make it clearer |
| 14:46.02 | nayyares | jetscreamer, is there any howto on it? any link |
| 14:46.16 | okyz_ | im trying to install debian from another linux computer with debootstrap. but debootsrap complains about chroot |
| 14:46.17 | nayyares | jetscreamer, what is btw, recommended method |
| 14:46.48 | okyz_ | i have a more detailed error log. if you want more detail |
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| 14:47.10 | jetscreamer | nayyares: http://www.google.com/search?q=backup+site%3Atldp.org |
| 14:47.17 | Draconicus | I need to print the output of a command to a file instead of in the console. How do I do that? |
| 14:47.25 | jetscreamer | pipe it |
| 14:47.30 | jetscreamer | > file.txt |
| 14:47.49 | jetscreamer | see also >> |
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| 14:47.50 | mindframe | how do i get the kernel source from apt? |
| 14:48.00 | |capiira | hmm the gnome bugzilla list makes me worry about hehe |
| 14:48.01 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 14:48.05 | mindframe | ty |
| 14:48.09 | jetscreamer | or kernel-source if sarge |
| 14:48.24 | okyz_ | RichiH: any idea |
| 14:48.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source-2.6 to trim it up some |
| 14:48.42 | jetscreamer | ordown |
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| 14:49.26 | RichiH | okyz_: paste the errors onto a paste site |
| 14:49.27 | mindframe | woo 1700 KB/s from tds mirror |
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| 14:50.14 | mindframe | jetscreamer: would downloading that automatically use the config for the current kernel? |
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| 14:50.36 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 14:50.40 | mindframe | i guess not. id need to move it there. |
| 14:50.46 | Draconicus | Well, that's it. Everything I could possibly need for backups from my root partition are there.... well, apart from a copy of my kernel image/config. I should probably keep that too. |
| 14:50.47 | jetscreamer | do you want to compile it or just install a kernel |
| 14:50.58 | jetscreamer | and do make oldconfig in that case |
| 14:51.00 | mindframe | jetscreamer: i want to patch it with something |
| 14:51.01 | mindframe | k |
| 14:51.04 | okyz_ | RichiH: http://pastebin.com/854290 |
| 14:51.09 | mindframe | patch / recompile |
| 14:51.11 | Draconicus | There. Kernel too. |
| 14:51.19 | Draconicus | Alrighty. Time to move to Debian... |
| 14:51.28 | naddar | poweroff |
| 14:51.42 | naddar | logout |
| 14:51.47 | stoned | exit |
| 14:51.48 | jetscreamer | halt |
| 14:51.50 | mindframe | laffo |
| 14:52.00 | stoned | hey |
| 14:52.04 | stoned | jetscreamer, whats up |
| 14:52.07 | jetscreamer | alfalfa |
| 14:52.15 | stoned | I'm moving down |
| 14:52.20 | stoned | and I'm gonna find you |
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| 14:53.12 | jetscreamer | good thing i never updated that address info |
| 14:53.14 | jetscreamer | when i moved |
| 14:53.23 | stoned | you're in houston eh? |
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| 14:53.38 | jetscreamer | uh... no i moved to seoul |
| 14:53.41 | Draconicus | ... |
| 14:53.43 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it |
| 14:53.46 | stoned | lol |
| 14:53.53 | stoned | no you didn't |
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| 14:53.54 | maddash | where's amphi? |
| 14:54.03 | stoned | + |
| 14:54.08 | jetscreamer | in the shower eating breakfast |
| 14:54.22 | maddash | where're jello or karmatronic? |
| 14:54.33 | karmatronic | i m there |
| 14:54.36 | jetscreamer | in the shower also... |
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| 14:54.46 | karmatronic | need a shower though |
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| 14:55.08 | maddash | yay karmatronic |
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| 14:56.00 | karmatronic | maddash: hi guy |
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| 14:56.07 | RichiH | okyz_: either you are not doing it as root or your linux system does not have mount installed |
| 14:56.09 | maddash | LOL "guy" |
| 14:56.34 | okyz_ | RichiH: im root, and yes, mount is installed |
| 14:56.55 | RichiH | chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory |
| 14:57.10 | karmatronic | RichiH: which mount |
| 14:57.11 | RichiH | okyz_: perhaps your path is broken? |
| 14:57.27 | RichiH | karmatronic: no idea, the one on okyz_'s system |
| 14:57.35 | jetscreamer | yeh i was gonna say supply the path |
| 14:58.20 | jetscreamer | or /usr is on a diff partition |
| 14:58.22 | okyz_ | RichiH: thats what bothering me |
| 14:58.31 | jetscreamer | err /sbin |
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| 14:58.54 | prumprum | with a 'self signed certificate' do users still get that "untrusted" message in there browser? |
| 14:58.59 | okyz_ | RichiH: mount is in /bin/mount |
| 14:59.11 | Draconicus | Here I go. Wish me luck. |
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| 14:59.29 | karmatronic | prumprum: no |
| 14:59.37 | maddash | has anyone ever tried the centrino undervolting patch? is it stable? |
| 14:59.52 | karmatronic | maddash: didn |
| 15:00.04 | prumprum | karmatronic, ah, perfect, that's what i need ;-) and is a 'self signed certificate' called a CA ? |
| 15:00.06 | maddash | karmatronic, uh, "did not" or "did"? |
| 15:00.15 | karmatronic | didnt :) |
| 15:00.26 | amphi | maddash: works fine here - there are several, I use the one from https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki ATM |
| 15:00.34 | RichiH | okyz_: edit debootstrap.sh accordingly |
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| 15:00.38 | RichiH | or have it print $PATH |
| 15:00.54 | amphi | maddash: the patch applies cleanly to debian 2.6.18 source |
| 15:01.06 | karmatronic | prumprum: no CA is the authority signing your certificate (can be you) |
| 15:01.27 | maddash | amphi!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:01.56 | stoned | awe |
| 15:02.03 | prumprum | karmatronic, so if i would create this self signed certificate on my local machine, then i'm the CA ? |
| 15:02.11 | amphi | maddash: I wrote a simple init script to apply my cpu/freq pairs or restore the defaults; I gave it to the patch dev but he didn't put it on the site (too crap maybe ;) |
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| 15:02.15 | okyz_ | RichiH: debootstrap has the right path, just had it print it |
| 15:02.32 | maddash | amphi: how low have you gone? |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | prumprum: depends on the browser |
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| 15:03.00 | amphi | maddash: you need to use the userspace governator and test with something like mprime to find a lower voltage which is stable |
| 15:03.22 | amphi | maddash: the voltages vary per individual processor (not type/model) |
| 15:03.32 | karmatronic | prumprum: the command openssl req -new -x509 -keyout ca.key -out ca.crt -config /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 15:03.35 | maddash | amphi: is mprime an accurate test? it doesn't use fpu, I think... |
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| 15:04.05 | amphi | maddash: these are the default freq/voltage pairs my cpu had 'outta the box', 600000:988,800000:1068,1000000:1132,1200000:1212,1400000:1276,1600000:1340 |
| 15:04.25 | amphi | maddash: and these the ones I currently use, 600000:700,800000:732,1000000:796,1200000:876,1400000:956,1600000:1052 |
| 15:04.38 | maddash | amphi: are those freq:volt pairs? |
| 15:04.39 | mc__ | Is there anything like Daemon Tools for Linux? With daemon tools you can create a virtual CD/DVD-Drive from a .iso |
| 15:04.50 | maddash | mc__: mkisofs |
| 15:04.53 | amphi | maddash: they seem stable enough, enough to run povray for days on end, for example, with heightfields over 1GB |
| 15:04.56 | Hoxzer | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=45991#45991 |
| 15:04.58 | maddash | mc__: oops just mount loopback |
| 15:05.05 | amphi | maddash: yes |
| 15:05.16 | mc__ | maddash: nope that doesnt work for me |
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| 15:05.42 | mc__ | maddash: i need it as a device,not as a directory,so that i cann boot via vmware from it |
| 15:05.43 | amphi | maddash: but YMMV, to coin a phrase |
| 15:05.46 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 15:05.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:06.00 | amphi | mc__: losetup |
| 15:06.03 | maddash | mc___: how do you mean? |
| 15:06.14 | amphi | mc__: so it'll be /deb/loop0 or whatever |
| 15:06.19 | magic_stone | /usr/lib/pango/1.5.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:06.22 | mc__ | enouf: i said why it doesnt work... |
| 15:06.23 | maddash | amphi: you've lost me at "povray." |
| 15:06.24 | amphi | mc__: er, /dev/loop0 or whatever |
| 15:06.26 | RichiH | okyz_: perhaps it's trying to use the mount within the chroot |
| 15:06.28 | amphi | maddash: raytracer |
| 15:06.33 | magic_stone | neither whith root i can change the mods :| |
| 15:06.36 | enouf | mc__: yes you did .. finally |
| 15:06.39 | mc__ | amphi: thx, i ll |
| 15:06.44 | amphi | maddash: good cpu, fpu, ram pounder |
| 15:06.49 | okyz_ | RichiH: that could be it! |
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| 15:07.05 | mc__ | amphi: i will try it* |
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| 15:07.06 | okyz_ | RichiH: im looking through the script not, so i will probably know soon |
| 15:07.07 | amphi | maddash: povray.org |
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| 15:07.29 | maddash | amphi: if you're going to raytrace, don't you want more processing power? so wouldn't you overclock? |
| 15:07.32 | shafire | a good mailserver? :O |
| 15:07.45 | amphi | maddash: the temp went from > 70C under load to ~50C with the reduced voltages here |
| 15:07.48 | maddash | amphi: oh, I see - you gave your comp something to chew on for a long while |
| 15:08.09 | amphi | maddash: sure, more cpu power would be nice ;) |
| 15:08.09 | prumprum | abrotman, why does that depend on the browser if i may ask? |
| 15:08.11 | maddash | amphi: how'd you measure? acpi -V? |
| 15:08.17 | stoned | I have a current 25% OC right now |
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| 15:08.22 | amphi | maddash: acpi -t |
| 15:08.22 | stoned | FSB 133 to 166 |
| 15:08.34 | prumprum | karmatronic, and the ca.crt must be configured in my apache webserver? |
| 15:08.58 | gw|Turms | anytime i click on a mailto link firefox launches evolution, but i use sylpheed , what should i change in order to set things that way? |
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| 15:09.33 | maddash | amphi: :P it's 41C in my cpu @ 800Mhz...w/xmms and opera... |
| 15:09.53 | amphi | maddash: mine is idling at 37C ATM |
| 15:09.58 | shafire | imap? |
| 15:10.30 | stoned | I idle at 29C |
| 15:10.44 | amphi | stoned: chill, dude |
| 15:10.44 | stoned | 2lbs heatsink hehe plus ginormous fan |
| 15:11.05 | maddash | amphi: kind of weird, considering ubuntu would get my P/M hot much faster |
| 15:11.22 | amphi | maddash: gnome? |
| 15:11.42 | maddash | amphi: yep. and gnome-terminal, etc. bloat bloat bloat. |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | prumprum: they act differently .. FF lets you install the cert, so does opera. But opera will keep warning you. |
| 15:12.20 | amphi | maddash: I haven't used gnome, but I imagine it steals more time from the idle loop than openbox... |
| 15:12.22 | stoned | you know, this heatsink is way too big |
| 15:12.35 | enouf | er .. a packed bowl |
| 15:13.25 | maddash | is "tail /dev/sda5" supposed to work the way one would expect it to? |
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| 15:14.57 | okyz_ | RichiH: you might want to know i solved some of it |
| 15:15.14 | okyz_ | RichiH: seemed that i needed the debfor program |
| 15:15.26 | prumprum | abrotman, i only get two files, .crt and .key, which of the two does FF (browser) install ? |
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| 15:16.13 | magic_stone | you shure the chmod debian etch is working? |
| 15:16.33 | magic_stone | 64 bits |
| 15:16.48 | prumprum | karmatronic, they also sometimes cat these two files together right? |
| 15:17.06 | maddash | amphi: btw, when you use fn+12 or fn+f4, do either key work again immediately after the subsequent resume? |
| 15:17.19 | maddash | amphi: oh, afk. nvm me, then. |
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| 15:18.33 | okyz_ | where can i find the debfor program |
| 15:19.44 | |capiira | hmmm will iceweasel be 1.5.0.x or 2.x? |
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| 15:20.20 | DerJamster | |capiira: in Etch? |
| 15:20.26 | |capiira | yeah |
| 15:20.39 | DerJamster | Depends. Whats in it right now? Since Etch is frozen, the versions'll probably stay as they are right now. |
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| 15:20.52 | |capiira | oh |
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| 15:20.59 | |capiira | yeah but im on testing |
| 15:21.02 | centrx | iceweasel is not in etch |
| 15:21.07 | tiagosab | No iceweasel for now in etch, but it's a special case, |
| 15:21.13 | centrx | testing is currently frozen |
| 15:21.15 | tiagosab | since there's a license problem |
| 15:21.23 | |capiira | maybe they add it anyway |
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| 15:21.36 | jetscreamer | only if the lawyer says ok |
| 15:21.46 | centrx | they would just rename |
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| 15:21.50 | |capiira | but icedove is already there |
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| 15:21.57 | |capiira | its the same issue |
| 15:21.59 | lacin | hi, how can I use mkisofs to make a iso file with depth more than 6? ( I use mkisofs -V 9Yanvar2007 -A mkisofs-console -p lacin -iso-level 1 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /media/hda6/.tmp/Lacin-backups) |
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| 15:22.26 | mindframe | jeez kernel.org is so bogged |
| 15:22.40 | DerJamster | today, yes. |
| 15:22.57 | mindframe | its been that way for a week for me |
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| 15:23.02 | tiagosab | I'm trying to build alsa-source with make-kpkg, but it tells me utsrelease.h (2.6.18-3-amd64) is different from current version (2.6.18). What am I missing? |
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| 15:30.17 | grummund | hi, i have a problem with exim + debconf, but maybe i misunderstand how it should work... |
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| 15:30.44 | grummund | In /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf i put dc_local_domains='@:localhost:dsearch;CONFDIR/virtual' and it does not work (mail is not accepted for my virtual domains) |
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| 15:30.58 | grummund | However if instead in /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/00_local-config_macros i put MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS = @:localhost:dsearch;CONFDIR/virtual it works absolutely fine... |
| 15:31.02 | grummund | local_domains is effected in 01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs and i don't understand why it cannot be set via update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 15:32.45 | Mazingaro | hi, please I need an hint... I've got an ALTOS G5350 and ALTOS G710 servers (AMD64), which debian may I install for a server use? (gateway/firewall) |
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| 15:35.21 | jetscreamer | i'd use the 32bit probably |
| 15:36.10 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 15:38.56 | tabris|away | Mazingaro: etch isn't stable yet, so I'd recommend sarge. and there are only a couple downsides to amd64 on sarge (tho etch will be better), mostly missing apps, as the amd64 arch on sarge wasn't official. |
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| 15:39.25 | tabris|away | Mazingaro: mind you, I'm assuming these are otherwise _standard_ amd64 boxen |
| 15:39.47 | RichiH | okyz_: and what does that do? |
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| 15:40.05 | okyz_ | i dont know, really |
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| 15:40.43 | okyz_ | but there's this line 'local deb="$(debfor $pkg)"' |
| 15:40.51 | Mazingaro | tabris|away: what do you mean? |
| 15:42.08 | maddash | I'm getting a "Permission denied" when acpid tries to execute a script...any ideas? |
| 15:42.28 | prumprum | abrotman, how can i extract info from the .key or .crt file? like, when does it expire etc? |
| 15:42.31 | jetscreamer | your script isn't worthy |
| 15:43.03 | abrotman | wow |
| 15:43.20 | okyz_ | RichiH: do you have 'debfor' on your system |
| 15:43.31 | abrotman | prumprum: those are both for the server IIRC .. the docs at openssl.org should talk about this |
| 15:44.15 | prumprum | abrotman, but these two files get served to the clients right? .key and .crt ? |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | i don't think so |
| 15:44.50 | jetscreamer | i think the public key is in the cert but i don't know much |
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| 15:45.04 | rabe | i dont know howto install gnome-baker |
| 15:45.12 | jetscreamer | i had a keyserver going once. |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 15:45.20 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install... |
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| 15:45.52 | jfletcher | does anyone know where httpd.conf resolves by default when apache2 is installed via aptitude? |
| 15:46.12 | jetscreamer | locate httpd.conf |
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| 15:46.29 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: ah, thx. |
| 15:46.32 | jetscreamer | maybe updatedb first |
| 15:46.53 | jfletcher | =] |
| 15:47.46 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: does updatedb take a while to do? |
| 15:47.51 | jfletcher | or is my bash crashing. |
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| 15:48.07 | abrotman | takes a while |
| 15:48.10 | jetscreamer | yes a while |
| 15:48.23 | jetscreamer | i meant to mention that |
| 15:48.26 | maddash | fyi, if anyone else runs into the same problem, you're supposed to put #!/bin/bash at the top, nothing else. |
| 15:48.36 | jetscreamer | told ya |
| 15:48.45 | jetscreamer | (worthy) |
| 15:48.55 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:49.02 | jfletcher | strange. httpd.conf seems to be empty in /etc/apache2 |
| 15:49.08 | RichiH | okyz_: nope |
| 15:49.18 | jetscreamer | i don't know apache |
| 15:49.23 | karmatronic | jfletcher: yes it s all in apache.conf |
| 15:49.25 | jetscreamer | abrotman knows all :) |
| 15:49.41 | jfletcher | karmatronic: ah, thanks. |
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| 15:50.39 | karmatronic | jfletcher: long answer is: it s all in separated files (port.conf,....) |
| 15:51.04 | maddash | omg "permission denied" my ass. I ran the script manually using sh in regular user mode...worked fine. |
| 15:51.36 | maddash | jetscreamer, any ideas as to unworthiness? |
| 15:52.05 | jetscreamer | who owns it |
| 15:52.19 | jfletcher | karmatronic: I never came across this before, is this a debian only thing? |
| 15:52.22 | maddash | jetscreamer, owns the script? you mean ls -l? |
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| 15:52.33 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 15:52.36 | jfletcher | when I've set it up on FreeBSD/windows before it's just all been in httpd.conf |
| 15:52.39 | karmatronic | jfletcher: kind of yeah |
| 15:52.50 | jfletcher | okay. |
| 15:53.03 | jfletcher | I'll have to read into my book on this then. thanks for your help karmatronic. |
| 15:53.07 | jetscreamer | i'm no script person though maddash |
| 15:53.08 | maddash | jetscreamer, my permissions from "ls -l" : "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33" |
| 15:53.15 | karmatronic | jfletcher: if you want to stick to basics , use apache1.X |
| 15:53.16 | jetscreamer | it's not x |
| 15:53.21 | jetscreamer | chmod +x |
| 15:53.22 | jetscreamer | it |
| 15:53.28 | karmatronic | chmod u+x |
| 15:53.29 | maddash | jetscreamer, omg stupid stupid stupid |
| 15:53.32 | jetscreamer | set the executable bit |
| 15:53.42 | jetscreamer | what karmatronic said rather |
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| 15:54.35 | jetscreamer | karmatronic: the u+x just sets the user x bit eh |
| 15:54.52 | maddash | I'm such a klutz. thanks karmatronic and jetscreamer |
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| 15:55.18 | jfletcher | karmatronic: I'll just read up on it pal, can't help to learn somthing ;) |
| 15:55.20 | jfletcher | but thanks. |
| 15:55.32 | infernix | Is there a way to configure Xorg so that I am able to switch between 1600x1200 and 1920x1400 *without* having to use a virtual desktop? e.g. when I'm in 1600x1200 i'd like to have my virtual size be 1600x1200 and when I'm in 1920x1400 i'd like the virtual size to be 1920x1440. |
| 15:55.48 | jetscreamer | infernix: xrandr |
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| 15:57.30 | infernix | jetscreamer: well, as soon as I include 1920x1440 in the modes list, it'll give me a virtual desktop that size whilst on 1600x1200 |
| 15:57.39 | jjazz | Can I create a process in such a way that other users can kill it? |
| 15:57.57 | infernix | i don't see how xrandr changes that, unless xrandr is different from using Ctrl+Alt+numpad plus/minus |
| 15:58.02 | jetscreamer | it is |
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| 15:58.24 | infernix | alright :) thanks |
| 15:58.32 | jetscreamer | try xrandr -s 1920x1400 |
| 15:58.37 | maddash | is there a reason why sudo echo doesn't work, whereas su && echo does? |
| 15:58.52 | jetscreamer | there's no user named echo maybe |
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| 15:59.36 | maddash | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 15:59.38 | infernix | jetscreamer: it'd be nice if I can get Xorg to default to 1600x1200; i tried adding "Virtual 1600 1200" under "Display" but it would still end up on a 1920x1440 virtual size. anyway, restarting X now, brb |
| 15:59.59 | maddash | jetscreamer, `sudo echo blah > /root/blahofchoice` |
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| 16:00.19 | maddash | jetscreamer, vs. su, followed by `echo blah > /root/blahofchoice` |
| 16:00.35 | nelf | Encrypted passwords have started appearing in /etc/passwd, rather than asterisks on a debian stable machine - surely thats not right? |
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| 16:09.15 | Draconicus | Howdy. |
| 16:10.52 | Draconicus | I'm on Debian now. Comfy. |
| 16:11.12 | streuner | Does someone know how to edit rules-files (udev) in order to make (or not delete a symlink) for my DVD (/dev/dvd)? |
| 16:11.23 | streuner | !congratulate Draconicus |
| 16:11.23 | dpkg | Nice one Draconicus, you did it! |
| 16:11.49 | Draconicus | I'm having trouble with X, though. My config is from 7.1, and yet it's complaining of missing modules. I'm guessing that most modules aren't included in the default install? |
| 16:11.56 | Draconicus | Though from the start, X didn't work. |
| 16:12.03 | streuner | Draconicus: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:12.23 | abrotman | Draconicus: which modules ? |
| 16:13.14 | Draconicus | Hold on. Installing gpm at the moment. |
| 16:13.43 | Draconicus | And speaking of mice, the x modules for keyboard and mouse weren't found. |
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| 16:14.06 | nelf | Which package installs the /etc/shadow file? |
| 16:14.07 | streuner | Draconicus: Tell us what we are asking for... |
| 16:14.11 | streuner | hm |
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| 16:14.41 | streuner | !tell nelf about search |
| 16:14.43 | Draconicus | streuner: Gladly. I just had to free up dpkg first. |
| 16:14.45 | cydork | Draconicus: install xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 16:14.55 | cydork | Draconicus: also xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 16:14.59 | infernix | jetscreamer: thanks, xrandr works as expected. |
| 16:15.40 | Draconicus | cydork: Gotcha. Just figured they'd be installed with the one xfce CD. :P |
| 16:16.00 | streuner | So no udev expert here? |
| 16:16.05 | Draconicus | Wow. I don't think I've ever had GPM start as soon as it was installed before... |
| 16:16.17 | Draconicus | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:16.27 | streuner | Draconicus: ok |
| 16:16.44 | streuner | Draconicus: can you show us your X log in paster bot? (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 16:16.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 16:16.48 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 16:17.20 | nelf | streuner: Thanks - dpkg -S /etc/shadow didn't return anything, but I used dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 16:17.30 | abrotman | xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:17.31 | Draconicus | streuner: Relax. I've been on Linux for years. I know enough not to paste more than two lines in a channel. :P |
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| 16:17.58 | streuner | nelf: should be passwd |
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| 16:18.19 | bonggnu | anyone knows someone how-to about beryl in debian sid ? |
| 16:18.20 | Draconicus | streuner: I don't yet have a browser. Hold on. |
| 16:18.23 | streuner | Draconicus: we made different experiences :-P |
| 16:18.40 | cydork | streuner: it's known bug .. |
| 16:18.46 | cydork | !dbugs 405639 |
| 16:18.47 | streuner | !tell bongg about beryl |
| 16:18.49 | dpkg | #405639:S[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: installs arbitrary -input and -video packages; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:18:02 UTC |
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| 16:18.50 | nelf | streuner: Yep, thanks - sorted it out. |
| 16:18.53 | streuner | oh |
| 16:19.36 | streuner | !tell bonggnu about beryl |
| 16:19.46 | bonggnu | uhm |
| 16:19.54 | bonggnu | thanks |
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| 16:20.04 | streuner | keep in mind, beryl is in beta phase |
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| 16:20.21 | streuner | and you need GLX in order to run beryl |
| 16:20.57 | bonggnu | ok, i will try |
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| 16:23.57 | Draconicus | streuner: I'd love to paste this, but unfortunately highlighting is rather difficult with console-based editors. It would take too long and I'm pretty positive that it's just a matter of installing the proper modules. |
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| 16:24.32 | Caitriona | . |
| 16:25.26 | streuner | Draconicus: scroll up what cydork told you... |
| 16:25.43 | streuner | Draconicus: check out BTS or just run "VESA" |
| 16:25.49 | streuner | in the meantime... |
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| 16:33.00 | Draconicus | streuner: It's working just fine now. Just needed video and input modules. |
| 16:33.25 | streuner | !dbugs 405639 |
| 16:33.29 | dpkg | #405639:S[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: installs arbitrary -input and -video packages; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:18:02 UTC |
| 16:33.33 | streuner | check out BTS then |
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| 16:33.49 | streuner | there might be a workaround or a solution |
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| 16:35.30 | diesel-fn | Is there a way via a firewall to block ssh port forwarding without actually blocking ssh? |
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| 16:37.32 | Draconicus | Hmm.. I have the xfce4 meta-package installed, but when I start an xfce session it draws a blank background and cursor, and nothing else. |
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| 16:41.34 | Draconicus | I'm guessing that nobody in here can help me with an Xfce problem. You guys all use GNOME or KDE. :P |
| 16:41.57 | streuner | just try fluxbox or windowmaker (wmaker) |
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| 16:42.14 | utab | MoDaX : hi again |
| 16:42.30 | utab | MoDaX: why are my fonts too small in firefox |
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| 16:51.26 | mikefoo | need to wipe windows from this laptop, only cd I have on me is knoopix, i should be able to fdisk the drive in knoopix, right? |
| 16:52.49 | centrx | yes |
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| 16:54.43 | Draconicus | Is there a repository from which I can get the nvidia beta drivers, or do I have to install them the other way? |
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| 16:55.58 | obstfliege | nabend! |
| 16:56.18 | Draconicus | Also, your xfce CD has some session problems. XFWM isn't working properly. |
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| 16:57.05 | utab | the fonts in firefox window are too small to read |
| 16:57.29 | centrx | so change the size |
| 16:57.33 | rahul | heh |
| 16:57.33 | utab | ctrl + +helps but only for that session |
| 16:57.40 | rahul | utab: sounds like a personal problem to me |
| 16:57.57 | rahul | that's the point of zoom, yes |
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| 16:58.07 | utab | rahul: like what for instance |
| 16:58.15 | rahul | the _preferences_ are for changing the _preferences_ |
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| 16:58.17 | AmonPheeman | hi |
| 16:59.05 | AmonPheeman | If someone could help me to setup my netcard configuration on debian it could be nice |
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| 17:01.50 | zecrazytux__ | hey |
| 17:02.02 | zecrazytux__ | how are things goin' in there ? |
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| 17:03.55 | AmonPheeman | hey |
| 17:03.58 | AmonPheeman | :p |
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| 17:04.37 | zecrazytux__ | i don't understand why i can't access to a virtualhost i creater |
| 17:04.39 | zecrazytux__ | d* |
| 17:04.59 | zecrazytux__ | i can acess to www. but not to something.*** |
| 17:05.02 | YogSothoth_ | Hi |
| 17:05.34 | AmonPheeman | zecrazytux__, you setup a http server ? |
| 17:05.41 | zecrazytux__ | is there something needed ? i just edited the file from etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 17:05.49 | zecrazytux__ | yes, apache2 |
| 17:06.07 | zecrazytux__ | i put two virtualhosts |
| 17:06.09 | AmonPheeman | how many virtualhost do you have ? |
| 17:06.25 | AmonPheeman | and you are sure that your document root is ok ? |
| 17:06.49 | zecrazytux__ | yes, it exists |
| 17:06.58 | zecrazytux__ | maybe the rights ? |
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| 17:07.28 | zecrazytux__ | nop, 777 to the directory |
| 17:07.34 | AmonPheeman | if everything is set correctly maybe ? |
| 17:07.43 | zecrazytux__ | nop |
| 17:08.03 | AmonPheeman | well |
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| 17:08.18 | Draconicus | So... How about those nvidia beta drivers? |
| 17:08.22 | zecrazytux__ | it runs perfectly for the normal access (direct or www) donc the virtual hosts don't exist |
| 17:08.30 | Draconicus | Is there a deb package or do I need to use the installer? |
| 17:08.35 | zecrazytux__ | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 17:08.35 | zecrazytux__ | DocumentRoot /home/nours/ |
| 17:08.35 | zecrazytux__ | ServerName nours.zecrazytux.net |
| 17:08.35 | zecrazytux__ | </VirtualHost> |
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| 17:08.43 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:08.45 | zecrazytux__ | oups |
| 17:08.49 | Draconicus | soups. |
| 17:08.51 | zecrazytux__ | something like that |
| 17:09.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find and remove duplicates in a directory and its subdirs? |
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| 17:09.23 | AmonPheeman | Draconicus, use drivers from nvidia website |
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| 17:09.33 | AmonPheeman | Draconicus, and install it yourself |
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| 17:10.09 | AmonPheeman | zecrazytux__, I can't help you actually, you should wait for someone how know that better than me |
| 17:10.23 | zecrazytux__ | ^^ thanks either |
| 17:10.25 | HardDisk_WP | AmonPheeman, no. the official nv installer for linux sucks |
| 17:10.34 | HardDisk_WP | Draconicus, query dpkg |
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| 17:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | args |
| 17:10.56 | AmonPheeman | HardDisk_WP, lol ok, dunno that |
| 17:11.00 | HardDisk_WP | AmonPheeman, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:11.06 | HardDisk_WP | Draconicus, try http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:11.15 | AmonPheeman | HardDisk_WP, ok |
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| 17:11.23 | jetscreamer | wrong |
| 17:11.24 | peery | help... I've got a debian machine giving me a strange error during startup that when it's trying to load genrtc, that the resource is busy and it hangs the the startup. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:11.37 | jetscreamer | the .run from nvidia works flawlessly |
| 17:11.42 | Draconicus | Whoa whoa whoa! Where the hell is the pixmap gtk2 engine?! |
| 17:11.50 | Gg1 | Has somebody a good link to build gspca driver ? |
| 17:11.55 | AmonPheeman | HardDisk_WP, I confused with ati drivers |
| 17:11.57 | AmonPheeman | :s |
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| 17:12.09 | rcbarnes | Sometime between 2.6.17 and 2.6.19 was support for (software) RAID5 elements of whole block devices (instead of partitions) removed? I ask because I thought I heard something about that change happening eventually, and my 2.6.19 kernel won't recognize my array but my 2.9.17 will. Unless that's the problem, I'd rather not back up to optical disc and rebuild a 700 GB array... |
| 17:12.16 | Draconicus | I can't render my theme properly if you don't have that engine! Why isn't it in the mirrors.kernel.org repository mirror?! |
| 17:12.21 | utab | Where can I find acroread for debian? |
| 17:12.35 | utab | for etch |
| 17:12.43 | HardDisk_WP | utab, use KPDF |
| 17:12.59 | cahoot | which he didn't ask for |
| 17:13.08 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gtk2-engine iirc |
| 17:13.12 | rahul | apt-get install acroread... |
| 17:13.24 | Draconicus | jetscreamer: I know how to look for it. It's not there. |
| 17:13.25 | cydork | utab: at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:13.31 | utab | is that in the testing repositories |
| 17:13.38 | rahul | oh, interesting. |
| 17:13.39 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, nice...i didnt know there exists a official package |
| 17:13.49 | rahul | I only have a local deb of it |
| 17:13.56 | jetscreamer | it's the 2 |
| 17:14.02 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 17:14.05 | jetscreamer | gtk2-engines-pixbuf |
| 17:14.07 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: I tend to use the one from adobe |
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| 17:14.12 | cydork | utab: check /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 17:14.13 | Draconicus | No. Wrong engine. It's a gtk1 engine |
| 17:14.29 | azeem | rahul: it used to be in non-free until some years ago |
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| 17:14.34 | jetscreamer | gtk-engines-pixmap ? |
| 17:14.41 | MoDaX | utab: set to dpi to higher value in control center -> appearance -> fonts. size of all fonts will increase. why do you need acroread? what's wrong with kpdf? |
| 17:14.53 | rahul | azeem: yeah. but why do I have acroread_7.0.8-0.0_i386.deb in /usr/src? :P |
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| 17:15.22 | rahul | man, I need to find someone with showtime on demand |
| 17:15.23 | jetscreamer | somebody d/l'd it, rahul? |
| 17:15.23 | utab | MoDaX : the fonts in the menus are not affected by that |
| 17:15.34 | rahul | jetscreamer: I guess so :P |
| 17:15.47 | MoDaX | utab: they will, when you relog on |
| 17:15.49 | jetscreamer | i've put stuff there before |
| 17:15.58 | utab | MoDaX : oh yeah |
| 17:16.01 | rahul | in my /usr/src?? HAXXOR! |
| 17:16.01 | jetscreamer | no not on your box :) mine |
| 17:16.04 | rahul | :) |
| 17:16.39 | MoDaX | utab: or you can dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 17:16.53 | jetscreamer | note the realtime keylogger |
| 17:16.55 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:17.05 | rahul | :O |
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| 17:19.19 | rcbarnes | Sometime between 2.6.17 and 2.6.19 was support for (software) RAID5 elements of whole block devices instead of partitions (i.e. /dev/sda vs. /dev/sda1) removed? I ask because I thought I heard something about that change happening eventually, and my 2.6.19 kernel won't recognize my array but my 2.9.17 will. Unless that's the problem, I'd rather not back up to optical disc and rebuild a 700 GB array... |
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| 17:21.25 | AmonPheeman | anyone could help me to setup both of my ethernet card and wifi card on my debian ? |
| 17:21.28 | MoDaX | utab: acrobat reader is a standard on windows. linux has many free alternatives |
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| 17:21.50 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find and remove duplicates in a directory and its subdirs? |
| 17:21.55 | azeem | AmonPheeman: edit /etc/network/interface or install network-manager when you're using GNOME |
| 17:22.10 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: duplicates? |
| 17:22.21 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, files with same content but different names |
| 17:22.28 | AmonPheeman | azeem, I use kde, and my interfaces file is not the problem i think |
| 17:22.32 | HardDisk_WP | ARG...how can i prevent Debian from using the trash?! |
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| 17:22.35 | utab | MoDaX : before I always used acroread, you propose kpdf then |
| 17:22.38 | azeem | AmonPheeman: then explain your problem |
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| 17:23.07 | karmatronic | utab: xpdf is cool too |
| 17:23.09 | AmonPheeman | azeem, first, only ethernet was working, dmesg said that I had not firmware to load for my wifi card |
| 17:23.23 | MoDaX | utab: it's your choice. I just want to let you know that alternatives exist |
| 17:23.24 | jetscreamer | you set that in file manager properties i believe HardDisk_WP |
| 17:23.40 | AmonPheeman | azeem, so I copy in /lib/firmware my firmware for my wifi card |
| 17:23.47 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: md5sum all files |
| 17:23.51 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, ah found it...SHIFT+DEL |
| 17:23.59 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: remove files with the same sum |
| 17:24.01 | AmonPheeman | azeem, from that day my wifi card works perfectly but my ethernet stop working |
| 17:24.03 | jetscreamer | but you can set it for full time |
| 17:24.04 | utab | karmatronic, MoDaX thx I have used some of them sometime on ubuntu, but I was stick to acroread |
| 17:24.21 | AmonPheeman | azeem, I removed that firmware files and then I lose one but can use the ethernet card |
| 17:24.22 | azeem | AmonPheeman: those two don't seem related |
| 17:24.28 | azeem | eh. |
| 17:24.32 | utab | karmatronic, MoDaX : I will use free tools as well |
| 17:24.35 | AmonPheeman | azeem, I need to make them both working |
| 17:24.42 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, how do i do that? it doesnt seem that md5sum can scan directories |
| 17:24.48 | utab | MoDaX : thx for the fonts help btw |
| 17:24.50 | azeem | AmonPheeman: well, you can have only one as your main interface |
| 17:24.51 | AmonPheeman | azeem, dmesg said unable to load firmware for ipw2200 |
| 17:25.10 | azeem | AmonPheeman: are you saying that ifdown eth1; ifup eth0 does not work? |
| 17:25.17 | AmonPheeman | azeem, yeah but I want to be able to switch one quicly if it is possiible |
| 17:25.47 | azeem | AmonPheeman: either use the above command or look into thinks like network-manager (possibly knetworkmanager) |
| 17:25.49 | AmonPheeman | azeem, they work |
| 17:26.05 | azeem | AmonPheeman: so your only problem is that switching is too annoying? |
| 17:26.12 | azeem | or takes too long |
| 17:26.13 | AmonPheeman | azeen i used them but It cant help to fix the problem |
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| 17:26.38 | AmonPheeman | azeem, yeah, cause i have to remove the firmware to make my wifi card disabled |
| 17:26.48 | AmonPheeman | azeem, or i don't know how to disabled it |
| 17:27.01 | azeem | ifdown |
| 17:27.11 | azeem | is the usual way to disable network interfaces |
| 17:27.16 | utab | MoDaX : we spent a lot of time together, thx for all |
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| 17:27.22 | giupy | hi all |
| 17:27.29 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: Something like find /path/to/tree -print0 -type f | xargs -0 md5sum >> md5sum.list |
| 17:27.50 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, thx |
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| 17:28.02 | AmonPheeman | azeem, thank you, i'll try that |
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| 17:28.13 | giupy | i have installed my second xeon 550, but x86info says me WARNING: Detected SMP, but unable to access cpuid driver what does it mean? am i using 2 cpus ? |
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| 17:28.29 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 17:28.30 | AmonPheeman | azeem, so you think there is no link between firmware in /lib/firmware and ethernet card ? |
| 17:28.32 | giupy | and this too Used Uniprocessor CPU routines. Results inaccurate |
| 17:28.40 | azeem | AmonPheeman: no, I don't think there is |
| 17:29.15 | SnarceZ | today I have installed on windows a program called Ext2IFS_1_10c |
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| 17:29.34 | karmatronic | SnarceZ: sorry |
| 17:29.37 | SnarceZ | that permits to windows to read ext3 partitions |
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| 17:30.13 | AmonPheeman | azeem, ok thankx I'm gonna try that to see if thats work |
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| 17:31.12 | SnarceZ | the fact is that now all the times i boot it startes a check of the home partition and says |
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| 17:31.22 | SnarceZ | [/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /home] fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/sda |
| 17:31.28 | SnarceZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.42 | SnarceZ | how can I solve the problem? |
| 17:31.43 | utab | how to change between tabs on konsole |
| 17:32.00 | rahul | SnarceZ: do a normal fsck of it |
| 17:32.02 | rahul | ... |
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| 17:32.24 | utab | is there a shortcut from keyboard |
| 17:32.30 | nayyares | initially i created an .htacess and .htpassword file in my htdocs directory, now i have moved .htacces file to one of the sub directory, but still on front page visit, it is asking password? |
| 17:32.39 | rahul | utab: try ctrl-tab, maybe |
| 17:32.44 | azeem | utab: did you check the konsole documentation? |
| 17:32.45 | rahul | works for many other apps, at least |
| 17:32.48 | azeem | it should be described there |
| 17:32.52 | karmatronic | utab: SHIFT+LEFT |
| 17:32.57 | rahul | azeem: but but, that would be too easy! |
| 17:33.12 | rahul | he should do an exhaustive search of all key combinations ;) |
| 17:33.12 | utab | karmatronic: thank you |
| 17:33.16 | SnarceZ | rahul: it is to say? is the first time i have to deal with something like that... |
| 17:33.22 | azeem | rahul: why? That makes no sense. |
| 17:33.25 | rahul | SnarceZ: man fsck |
| 17:33.45 | rahul | azeem: I've found that people don't like doing things the easiest way |
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| 17:33.53 | rahul | azeem: they don't feel like they've achieved anything |
| 17:34.01 | azeem | rahul: I've found that I don't like to make fun out of the people I'm trying to help. |
| 17:34.19 | rahul | azeem: probably related to the mistaken concept that's instilled in us that effort is the way to success |
| 17:34.48 | rahul | hrmf. party pooper. |
| 17:35.34 | maddash | anyone know any cool useful patches for debi etch 2.6.18 |
| 17:35.35 | maddash | ? |
| 17:35.49 | karmatronic | azeem: definitely effort is not the way to success |
| 17:35.57 | karmatronic | azeem: luckily |
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| 17:38.31 | giupy | how can i be sure that i am using two cpus ? |
| 17:38.39 | maddash | guipy: /proc/acpi/cpu |
| 17:38.46 | jetscreamer | top |
| 17:39.03 | karmatronic | giupy: open the box and quit one |
| 17:39.10 | maddash | guipy: oops |
| 17:39.17 | maddash | guipy: make that /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:39.27 | maddash | guipy: `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 17:39.31 | giupy | maddash: yes i have two of them |
| 17:39.42 | giupy | karmatronic: ? |
| 17:39.42 | maddash | giupy: congrats. thinkpad? |
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| 17:39.56 | giupy | maddash: an old hp kayak , 2 xeon 550 |
| 17:39.58 | karmatronic | giupy: bad joke :( |
| 17:40.06 | maddash | lol karmatronic has all the smartest answers |
| 17:40.20 | karmatronic | hi maddash |
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| 17:40.34 | giupy | however top view 2 cpus too |
| 17:40.44 | giupy | but why x86info says me that msg ? |
| 17:40.51 | cusco | dudes... anny common reason for xorg not starting saying "no screens found" |
| 17:40.54 | cusco | just after install |
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| 17:41.06 | maddash | guipy: "huh"? |
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| 17:41.09 | cusco | installet the x-window-system-core package and gdm and gnome-core |
| 17:41.14 | azeem | cusco: it's the general error message |
| 17:41.14 | rahul | cusco: bad config |
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| 17:41.20 | maddash | cusco: what's your xorg driver? |
| 17:41.22 | giupy | maddash: wait..... |
| 17:41.22 | azeem | cusco: check /var/log/X*log for EE |
| 17:41.29 | cusco | azeem: says no device |
| 17:41.36 | giupy | maddash: |
| 17:41.37 | giupy | WARNING: Detected SMP, but unable to access cpuid driver. |
| 17:41.38 | giupy | Used Uniprocessor CPU routines. Results inaccurate. |
| 17:41.38 | cusco | or |
| 17:41.38 | maddash | cusco: what video card? |
| 17:41.38 | azeem | cusco: EE says no device? |
| 17:41.39 | cusco | hold |
| 17:41.43 | maddash | cusco: what video card? |
| 17:41.50 | cusco | maddash: intel 95GM |
| 17:41.52 | maddash | cusco: you'll need the appropriate drivers |
| 17:41.56 | cusco | hold on |
| 17:42.06 | azeem | cusco: which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 17:42.20 | maddash | azeem: u know what xorg driver is appropriate for his card? |
| 17:42.32 | azeem | the intel driver |
| 17:42.43 | cusco | no devices detected |
| 17:42.48 | azeem | cusco: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 17:42.55 | maddash | cusco: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 17:42.56 | cusco | just installed from etch rc1 |
| 17:43.01 | cusco | upgraded already |
| 17:43.12 | cusco | ahhh need that package? thought would be installed aotumatically |
| 17:43.17 | maddash | cusco: after the install, `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` |
| 17:43.28 | maddash | cusco: and select your new driver. |
| 17:43.34 | azeem | it's likely installed already, but if not, install it |
| 17:43.38 | karmatronic | giupy: run top then press 1 |
| 17:43.51 | giupy | karmatronic: yeah, it sees 2 cpus |
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| 17:44.03 | Draconicus | I always forget... How do I add gdm to my init thing? |
| 17:44.07 | cusco | no its not |
| 17:44.08 | giupy | can i be sure i'm unsing 2 cpus ? |
| 17:44.12 | azeem | Draconicus: it's automatic |
| 17:44.13 | cusco | that should be it.. let me see |
| 17:44.14 | cusco | thanks |
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| 17:44.25 | giupy | or ..... using smp correctly ? |
| 17:44.33 | azeem | cusco: install the 'xorg' package |
| 17:44.39 | maddash | cusco: you're welcome |
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| 17:44.45 | cusco | no.. thats not it |
| 17:44.48 | maddash | azeem: he doesn't need the whole thing |
| 17:44.54 | maddash | cusco : did you dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 17:44.56 | cusco | same mensage |
| 17:45.00 | azeem | maddash: he might lack other stuff and get more problems later on |
| 17:45.02 | cusco | no lol hold |
| 17:45.03 | maddash | cusco: read above msgs |
| 17:45.18 | cusco | I forgot :? |
| 17:45.23 | maddash | azeem: true. but he prolly already has kbd/mouse drivers...not everyone's as stupid as I am. |
| 17:45.24 | cusco | ahh yes... |
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| 17:45.31 | cusco | it detects the drier now |
| 17:45.35 | maddash | cusco: :) |
| 17:45.44 | utab | CUPS failure, localhost: read failed 14 |
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| 17:46.07 | azeem | cusco: really, I advise installing the GNOME, XFCE or KDE task, if you plan to use one of those |
| 17:46.34 | cusco | I installed gnome-core |
| 17:46.49 | azeem | cusco: are you short on disk space? |
| 17:46.50 | cusco | Im actually installing on a mackbook |
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| 17:47.02 | cusco | azeem: no.. i don-t want evolution and ephiphany etc.. |
| 17:47.08 | azeem | cusco: oh well |
| 17:47.08 | cusco | less time downloading |
| 17:47.12 | cusco | :D |
| 17:47.16 | azeem | are you on dialup? |
| 17:47.37 | Draconicus | azeem: Well, I'm not so sure about that, seeing as how I just installed it.. |
| 17:47.44 | azeem | Draconicus: and? |
| 17:47.52 | Draconicus | Installing it throws it in init? |
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| 17:48.02 | azeem | Draconicus: are you using your own init or something? |
| 17:48.06 | maddash | cusco: install icewm and wdm. |
| 17:48.07 | azeem | if not, it should just work |
| 17:48.07 | Draconicus | No.. |
| 17:48.10 | Draconicus | Okay. |
| 17:48.12 | azeem | maddash: uhm, why? |
| 17:48.13 | maddash | cusco: small and fast. |
| 17:48.21 | azeem | he's using a *macbook* |
| 17:48.22 | cusco | don't think so |
| 17:48.27 | cusco | err... so what? |
| 17:48.32 | maddash | azeem: so? |
| 17:48.35 | cusco | :P |
| 17:48.44 | azeem | so... no need to start hunting for CPU cycles before the installation even finished |
| 17:48.50 | cusco | yea its a steriotipe of tipical people who use a mackbook |
| 17:48.51 | cusco | hehehe |
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| 17:48.59 | jetscreamer | just use gdm sheesh |
| 17:49.03 | cusco | ahw.. |
| 17:49.05 | azeem | jetscreamer: he already installed it |
| 17:49.09 | cusco | cpu cycles? what do you mean by that? |
| 17:49.18 | azeem | 18:30 < cusco> installet the x-window-system-core package and gdm and gnome-core |
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| 17:49.26 | maddash | jetscreamer: ewww...gdm? it's monstrous. |
| 17:49.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:49.33 | jetscreamer | it is nice |
| 17:49.34 | johaBBa | i have a 3 buttons mouse (no wheel). is there a way to get scroll wheel functionality? at least with firefox/opera? |
| 17:49.38 | azeem | maddash: uhm, please don't give ill advise |
| 17:49.54 | jetscreamer | johaBBa: there's an emulate 3 buttons when you drxx |
| 17:49.54 | azeem | cusco: having the feeling that your computer runs too slow, and installing leaner applications |
| 17:49.56 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 17:49.56 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 17:50.18 | maddash | azeem: syntax error. |
| 17:50.19 | johaBBa | yeah, i don't need to emulate 3 buttons...i already have 3 buttons |
| 17:50.32 | jetscreamer | oh nm dohme sowwy |
| 17:50.33 | azeem | maddash: this guy *chose* to use GNOME on a 2006/2007 notebook |
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| 17:50.46 | maddash | azeem: yeaha, didn't see that part. |
| 17:50.51 | azeem | maddash: there's absolutely *no need* to counsel him on installing lighter stuff, ok? |
| 17:51.00 | maddash | azeem: calm down. |
| 17:51.03 | jetscreamer | gdm/icewm works just fine btw maddash |
| 17:51.18 | azeem | so "gdm is bloat" might be your perfect opinion (while mine is "gnustep is crap"), but that doesn't mean you need to voice it |
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| 17:51.24 | maddash | jetscreamer: true...but not for a cycle zealot like me. |
| 17:51.39 | maddash | azeem: calm the frack down? |
| 17:51.42 | azeem | maddash: try to help the person according to *their* need, not yours |
| 17:51.44 | azeem | maddash: I'm calm |
| 17:51.46 | maddash | azeem: don't mother me. |
| 17:51.50 | karmatronic | cant save my desktop areas settings in gnome , anyone ? |
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| 17:51.56 | jetscreamer | maddash: then you just want startx no dm at all |
| 17:52.02 | azeem | maddash: well, sorry, but I'm one of the people running this channel |
| 17:52.10 | maddash | azeem, ffs, I didn't see the freakin' msg. |
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| 17:52.17 | azeem | maddash: cool. |
| 17:52.19 | maddash | azeem: I told you that |
| 17:52.21 | jetscreamer | karmatronic: you might try chowning your homedir to yourself -R |
| 17:52.37 | maddash | azeem: all I saw was "thinking" "installing" and "desktop" |
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| 17:53.01 | maddash | jetscreamer, startx is too slow...inferior human reaction times. |
| 17:53.07 | maddash | jetscreamer, haha. |
| 17:53.21 | jetscreamer | you can it executed on login |
| 17:53.31 | maddash | huh? |
| 17:53.32 | azeem | karmatronic: what do you mean by "desktop area settings"? |
| 17:53.35 | jetscreamer | s/it/have\ it\ / |
| 17:53.56 | karmatronic | azeem: i mean various desktops |
| 17:54.08 | azeem | karmatronic: can you be more specific/verbose? |
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| 17:54.12 | azeem | what do you want to do? |
| 17:54.45 | m0rbid | Has anyone been able to get bootsplash to work with 2.6.18-3-686? I installed the kernel patches and rc patches via apt, but the bootsplash still doesn't work. |
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| 17:55.30 | maddash | is there a list of useful kernel patches for debi etch? |
| 17:55.43 | karmatronic | i mean using various workspaces |
| 17:55.44 | maddash | I'm in "tinkering mode" right now. |
| 17:55.52 | azeem | maddash: well, all the packaged kernel patches have the same naming scheme |
| 17:55.57 | karmatronic | when i reboot they are gone |
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| 17:56.07 | maddash | azeem: enlighten me. |
| 17:56.14 | karmatronic | silly but annoying |
| 17:56.22 | azeem | maddash: like apt-cache search kernel-patch | grep kernel-patch, or something |
| 17:56.30 | azeem | I'm not on etch currently |
| 17:56.52 | azeem | karmatronic: you mean how many workspaces you have? |
| 17:56.59 | azeem | karmatronic: or which applications are on which workspace? |
| 17:57.49 | maddash | what's a "kernel oops"? |
| 17:58.03 | azeem | a kernel failure |
| 17:58.07 | karmatronic | azeem: i mean how many workspaces and settled names |
| 17:58.12 | Draconicus | What the fuggugle? Since when is GeForce4 LEGACY?! |
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| 17:58.23 | maddash | oops = panic? |
| 17:58.31 | maddash | Draconicus, what's up? |
| 17:58.37 | tabris|away | Draconicus: GeForce6!!! get with the TIMES |
| 17:58.50 | maddash | haha everyone used to call it kernel panic... |
| 17:58.54 | karmatronic | azeem: although chmoding +w one of the hidden home directory (might be .gnome) seems a good ieda |
| 17:59.00 | h3sp4wn | Draconicus: you can use 9631 (new legacy) |
| 17:59.01 | tabris|away | maddash: nope. panic is diff from oops |
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| 17:59.14 | maddash | tabris|away, I knew it! pray tell, |
| 17:59.21 | Draconicus | maddash: Nothing really. It's just that Nvidia's latest driver says it will ignore my GeForce4 MX4000 because it's 'legacy' now. |
| 17:59.25 | tabris|away | maddash: panic means all is lost. oops means something is lost. |
| 17:59.27 | Draconicus | h3sp4wn: Thanks. This is freaky. |
| 17:59.31 | Draconicus | I feel old... :( |
| 17:59.53 | maddash | tabris|away, so how to tell 'em apart? |
| 18:00.05 | h3sp4wn | Draconicus: The maintainer said he may change to nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx-ancient or something |
| 18:00.12 | tabris|away | maddash: uhhh. the kernel will tell you. |
| 18:00.17 | maddash | tabris|away, I've never seen the (kernel output) | grep oops return anything |
| 18:00.20 | azeem | karmatronic: that should indeed get saved |
| 18:00.24 | azeem | karmatronic: is this your only problem? |
| 18:00.35 | tabris|away | maddash: well, for one, it's 'Oops'. or you can try grep -i oops |
| 18:00.41 | Draconicus | h3sp4wn: Well, I'm talking about the site. :P |
| 18:00.44 | maddash | tabris|away, ah |
| 18:00.45 | Draconicus | Nvidia's binary. |
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| 18:01.12 | tabris|away | maddash: not that that will show everything... b/c it just says 'Oops. <foo happened>' and then gives a long bit of info about it... so you'd be better off with using less on the syslog |
| 18:01.23 | Draconicus | I didn't think the beta with AIGLX was available in the repository... Honestly I don't know where to get it. |
| 18:01.36 | maddash | tabris|away, syslog? not dmesg? |
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| 18:02.00 | cusco | never saw gnome opening so fast.. everything is fast.. great machine :P |
| 18:02.22 | tabris|away | maddash: dmesg tends to exceed its buffer awful easy. syslog, assuming the system is up, will have more data in it. |
| 18:02.22 | maddash | cusco: grr. what's your boot time? |
| 18:02.35 | azeem | Draconicus: it should be in experimental at least, but I think it's in unstable now |
| 18:03.02 | maddash | tabris|away, `cat syslog|grep -i oops` returns zilch. yippee. i think. |
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| 18:03.05 | azeem | hrm, apparently now |
| 18:03.06 | azeem | not |
| 18:03.37 | azeem | maddash: a kernel oops is usually fatal to the system |
| 18:03.37 | maddash | cusco: is that a MB or MB Pro? |
| 18:03.38 | tabris|away | azeem: not always. |
| 18:03.39 | maddash | azeem: not according to tabris|away |
| 18:03.52 | azeem | I said "usually" |
| 18:03.53 | maddash | azeem, stop giving ill advice. |
| 18:03.56 | maddash | azeem, :P |
| 18:03.56 | tabris|away | maddash: I didn't say that it was never fatal... just that it wasn't necessarily fatal. |
| 18:04.13 | maddash | so what kind of oopsy is fatal? |
| 18:04.21 | h3sp4wn | Draconicus: I use the packaged versions (from experimental currently) but there is no 9631 there at all |
| 18:04.22 | Draconicus | azeem: Nevermind. I don't need Beryl anyway. |
| 18:04.29 | maddash | azeem, you use beryl? |
| 18:04.31 | tabris|away | maddash: no answer exists for such a question. |
| 18:04.34 | azeem | maddash: eh? |
| 18:04.43 | tabris|away | maddash: either that, or the answer will be too long to give... |
| 18:04.45 | mirak | when you boot in single, does linux mounts the partitions other than / ? |
| 18:04.57 | azeem | maddash: if you have a beryl question, ask the channel, not individuals |
| 18:04.57 | Draconicus | Ack. I can't work like this. Jumping from console back to X constantly... brb |
| 18:05.04 | karmatronic | azeem: might $HOME/.gconf/apps |
| 18:05.07 | maddash | tabris|away, how many stars are in the universe? how much wood can a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck wood? |
| 18:05.19 | maddash | tabris|away, j/k. thanks for the info. |
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| 18:05.48 | maddash | azeem, you're too tightly wound. I just wanted your opinion of beryl. |
| 18:05.59 | Draconicus | There. |
| 18:06.00 | azeem | maddash: this is a support channel |
| 18:06.08 | azeem | maddash: you could ask me in #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:06.18 | maddash | we have one too? I thought only ubuntu did... |
| 18:06.18 | Draconicus | Ow... stubbed my toe. :( |
| 18:06.22 | Draconicus | Anyhoo.. |
| 18:06.41 | Draconicus | I'm in a wee bit of a hurry. My mother will maim me if I don't clean the house today. |
| 18:07.17 | azeem | Draconicus: what about the nv driver? |
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| 18:07.59 | Draconicus | azeem: I should choke you just for suggesting I use 'nv' :P |
| 18:08.06 | azeem | why? |
| 18:08.09 | Draconicus | It's awful enough on its own, and I need graphics acceleration. |
| 18:08.21 | azeem | then get an older nvidia driver, *shrug* |
| 18:08.21 | Draconicus | I have a dual monitor setup, for one. nv doesn't play well with dual cards. |
| 18:08.22 | maddash | Draconicus, dri |
| 18:08.40 | Draconicus | Ahhh! Just tell me where the repository is! I'm not a newbie! ._. |
| 18:08.50 | azeem | snapshot.debian.net |
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| 18:09.27 | maddash | Draconicus, nonfree? |
| 18:09.37 | Draconicus | Yes. |
| 18:09.38 | maddash | Draconicus, you want nv, rah? |
| 18:09.48 | maddash | !nonfree | Draconicus |
| 18:09.49 | Draconicus | ... |
| 18:09.50 | jetscreamer | still sunday in some part of the world? |
| 18:09.55 | maddash | !tell nonfree | Draconicus |
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| 18:10.20 | maddash | argh what's the syntax for asking dpkg to tell? |
| 18:10.25 | jetscreamer | !pal maddash |
| 18:10.35 | maddash | shhh...I'm a neophyte. |
| 18:10.45 | maddash | seriously, dpkg, tell Draconicus about nv |
| 18:10.57 | maddash | dpkg, tell Draconicus about non-free |
| 18:11.06 | maddash | azeem, you're op, right? how do I do this? |
| 18:11.31 | jetscreamer | op!=botmaster |
| 18:11.33 | azeem | what does that have to do with op? |
| 18:11.46 | maddash | op == botmaster? |
| 18:11.58 | azeem | maddash: did you read what jetscreamer just wrote? |
| 18:12.06 | maddash | oh wait, nvm. I got it working |
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| 18:12.25 | maddash | azeem, no, I stare at my toes when I type. helps the dyslexia. |
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| 18:12.32 | Draconicus | Aaah. So the Debian guys dun like anything that isn't free. Hate to break it to you, guys, but some companies like to exist. |
| 18:12.46 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 18:13.07 | azeem | Draconicus: and that is why Debian supports non-free? |
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| 18:13.35 | maddash | azeem, he meant non-natively, I think...and the "non-free is evil" msg dpkg sent |
| 18:13.38 | Draconicus | azeem: I dunno. Ask dpkg. |
| 18:13.39 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86 |
| 18:13.53 | Draconicus | It seems to know a lot about you "Debianites" |
| 18:13.59 | azeem | Draconicus: I didn't start discussing non-free anyway |
| 18:14.06 | Draconicus | Or "Debianistas" :P |
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| 18:14.49 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/ |
| 18:15.11 | maddash | um, my .xsession isn't being executed...i'm running wdm and icewm...any ideas? |
| 18:15.32 | maddash | specifics: ls -l .xsession returns appropriate x-cute flags. |
| 18:15.34 | azeem | maddash: is there a .session-errors? |
| 18:15.50 | maddash | azeem, you mean, .xsession-errors? |
| 18:15.50 | Draconicus | maddash: Please ask before opening up a PM. |
| 18:15.55 | azeem | yes |
| 18:16.25 | maddash | should I tail or cat it? |
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| 18:16.36 | azeem | maddash: if it's more than a couple of lines, you're in trouble |
| 18:16.48 | maddash | azeem, oh crap. |
| 18:16.50 | exerd | wich is the latest stable release of debian? Is there any version for 64bit?` |
| 18:16.55 | maddash | azeem, do you need to see it? |
| 18:17.07 | azeem | maddash: what's the time stamp? Is it recent? |
| 18:17.08 | maddash | azeem, I'll pastebin it, hold on |
| 18:17.29 | azeem | exerd: there's an almost-official 64bit version of Debian for the current stable release |
| 18:17.40 | maddash | azeem: I think...maybe i should reboot and chk again? |
| 18:17.42 | azeem | exerd: the next stable release (due out soon) will have official 64bit support |
| 18:17.43 | jetscreamer | Some display managers only invoke Xsession when specifically directed to so by the user; see the documentation for your display manager to find out more. |
| 18:17.52 | azeem | maddash: rebooting usually doesn't help |
| 18:17.56 | maddash | jetscreamer, way to pass me off. |
| 18:18.07 | jetscreamer | man xsession |
| 18:18.10 | maddash | azeem, no, to verify recent timestamp |
| 18:18.14 | exerd | azeem: ok thanks i“ll wait with the installation untill then |
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| 18:18.33 | azeem | maddash: I'm saying, if your .xsession-errors is not recent, then checking it out won't help |
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| 18:18.51 | azeem | exerd: is this for a server? |
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| 18:18.59 | maddash | azeem, does xsess-err clean itself out w/each reboot? I'll just rm, otherwise |
| 18:19.13 | azeem | maddash: why do you want to remove it? |
| 18:19.18 | maddash | jetscreamer, trust me ,I go thru all those routes before I ask on IRC... |
| 18:19.20 | azeem | maddash: is it recent or not? |
| 18:19.22 | jetscreamer | removing .xsession-errors may bork something |
| 18:19.40 | maddash | azeem I don't know. ls -l is meaningless, b/c my system time was fubar until i installed ntpdate |
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| 18:20.02 | azeem | maddash: and you installed ntpdate after you last started X? |
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| 18:20.27 | maddash | azeem, dubious. I've also been hibernating instead of shutting down. I'll go reboot, k? |
| 18:20.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:20.40 | azeem | maddash: well, dunno. I'm off now anyway |
| 18:20.42 | jetscreamer | wdm is gdm based |
| 18:20.51 | exerd | azeem: no just to mess around with |
| 18:21.04 | azeem | exerd: then installing etch (the next stable version) should be no problem |
| 18:21.08 | azeem | there is already a release candidate |
| 18:21.49 | jetscreamer | There's #wdm channel on irc.ornet.ru. You can also find me at #windowmaker channel irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:22.22 | maddash | er, windowmaker == wdm? |
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| 18:22.45 | dutche- | does anybody can try this for me?? I've installed svn with "aptitude install subversion" and I can't access this addres... |
| 18:22.47 | coulee | anyone know how to upgrade spamassassin with a method like dotdeb? |
| 18:22.49 | dutche- | svn co http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/ django_svn |
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| 18:22.56 | dutche- | does anybody can try? |
| 18:23.12 | maddash | jetscreamer, you're not at #windowmaker. |
| 18:23.56 | jetscreamer | http://voins.program.ru/wdm/INSTALL |
| 18:24.02 | azeem | coulee: don't use dotdeb |
| 18:24.03 | jetscreamer | no it was cut & paste |
| 18:24.07 | coulee | azeem why not? |
| 18:24.12 | azeem | coulee: if you run stable, check volatile or backports |
| 18:24.14 | azeem | !volatile |
| 18:24.14 | dpkg | [volatile] debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 18:24.21 | azeem | !backports.org |
| 18:24.21 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 18:24.32 | azeem | coulee: it's known to be of inferior quality |
| 18:24.36 | coulee | ok |
| 18:25.41 | maddash | azeem, what're the symptoms of an .xsession-error? |
| 18:27.24 | jetscreamer | have you looked around in /etc/wdm |
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| 18:27.59 | maddash | jetscreamer, yes. that's not the problem, unless .xsession is wdm-specific. but it's not. |
| 18:28.15 | maddash | jetscreamer, Xsession is fine too |
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| 18:28.35 | blazemonger | i'm downloading debian testing install |
| 18:28.49 | blazemonger | i'm a linux newb and coming from freebsd |
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| 18:29.24 | x_link | blazemonger: Good choice =) |
| 18:29.56 | maddash | shouldn't .xsession be executed by default, ie straight out of being aptitude-ing x-window-system-core? |
| 18:30.10 | blazemonger | x_link: i tried blag but i couldnt mount a ntfs |
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| 18:30.27 | jetscreamer | DisplayManager*wdmWm:<list of window managers separated by colons> ? |
| 18:30.34 | blazemonger | last time i tried installing debian testing X wouldnt start up it would mention something about keyboard stuff not installed |
| 18:30.49 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 18:30.54 | dobeer | hi |
| 18:31.00 | jetscreamer | !rontfs |
| 18:31.15 | jetscreamer | ghghjfutdktdlk |
| 18:31.31 | blazemonger | jetscreamer: would you reccomend stable or testing for a newb |
| 18:32.03 | maddash | jetscreamer, this is a support channel. take your spamming elsewhere. |
| 18:32.19 | x_link | blazemonger: blag? |
| 18:32.28 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 18:32.28 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:32.35 | maddash | blazemonger, testing's fine... |
| 18:32.47 | x_link | blazemonger: I'm a newbie myself, but I have never heard of blag |
| 18:32.53 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: depends on the n00b |
| 18:33.04 | jetscreamer | i'd guess flag |
| 18:33.14 | maddash | blazemonger, I just got onto the debian wagon a week ago, and etch is running with all its glory...on my laptop, no less (configurations, etc). |
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| 18:33.46 | vivijim | Hi all, is it possible to set a debootstrap server from scracth with my own packages in my machine ? There is such a tutorial for this ? |
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| 18:35.41 | jfil | http://ingtel.100webspace.net |
| 18:35.43 | maddash | no idea. sry. |
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| 18:36.09 | abrotman | freaking rima-tde kids |
| 18:36.29 | abrotman | blazemonger: install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 18:36.42 | blazemonger | abrotman: so testing sometimes doesnt install it? |
| 18:37.01 | maddash | abrotman: what's a rima-tde? |
| 18:37.06 | blazemonger | i thought selecting desktop system and the basic stuff would automatically install gnome and that nice stuff |
| 18:37.25 | jetscreamer | ima retard i would guess but don't know |
| 18:37.27 | blazemonger | i just need liberation from blag and rpm |
| 18:38.00 | jetscreamer | tasksel/base-config sucks |
| 18:38.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:38.13 | blazemonger | abrotman: so you'd reccomend stable to a newb? |
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| 18:38.31 | maddash | jetscreamer, justify that. |
| 18:38.33 | blazemonger | actually i'm half newb since i've got BSD experience |
| 18:38.40 | jetscreamer | scroll up |
| 18:38.51 | blazemonger | i cant scroll up in my console |
| 18:38.52 | jetscreamer | 3-4 lines |
| 18:38.58 | jetscreamer | shift+pgup |
| 18:39.03 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 18:39.04 | blazemonger | install xserver-xorg input? |
| 18:39.12 | blazemonger | tried shift+[pgup |
| 18:39.14 | maddash | you're a retard you guess you don't know? |
| 18:39.14 | Enverex | I assume this is a no, but just incase Debian can do something funky, if I ran a 32bit version of Debian, is it possible to upgrade to 64bit in the future without a full reinstall? |
| 18:39.27 | blazemonger | not a retard..autistic |
| 18:39.29 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: that wasn't for you |
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| 18:40.20 | maddash | jetscreamer, I've got no idea why you would think that "tasksel sucks." nor have you elucidated. |
| 18:40.32 | _JusSx_ | blazemonger: back to FreeSBD |
| 18:40.50 | blazemonger | what u mean _JusSx_ ? |
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| 18:41.15 | jetscreamer | use it enough and you should be able to figure it out |
| 18:41.36 | blazemonger | imo anything is better than this blag thing im running right now |
| 18:41.39 | _JusSx_ | FreeBSD tules |
| 18:41.43 | _JusSx_ | *rules |
| 18:41.54 | blazemonger | halfway finished d/l'ing the netinst iso of testing |
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| 18:42.16 | jetscreamer | gee i guess he meant me |
| 18:42.27 | jetscreamer | i feel bad now |
| 18:42.59 | Enverex | hmm, guessing this channel isn't that friendly =/ |
| 18:43.17 | blondie | Enverex: do you want a hug? |
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| 18:43.21 | jetscreamer | nah it's friendly |
| 18:43.27 | jetscreamer | !kiss Enverex |
| 18:43.45 | blazemonger | so you guys won't get mad if i ask questions not in the docs of debian ifi install it? |
| 18:44.13 | jetscreamer | but we get to lart you if it is in the docs... :) |
| 18:44.23 | blazemonger | lart? |
| 18:44.30 | blondie | !lart |
| 18:44.32 | jetscreamer | !lart blazemonger |
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| 18:45.05 | jetscreamer | loser attitude readjustment tool , iirc |
| 18:45.11 | blondie | yes |
| 18:45.11 | jetscreamer | or llama |
| 18:45.16 | blondie | well, luser |
| 18:45.22 | jetscreamer | yeah luser |
| 18:45.30 | blondie | I need one for work |
| 18:45.35 | blondie | infact, I need several |
| 18:45.35 | blazemonger | i'm not a loser..just autistic |
| 18:45.36 | blazemonger | :) |
| 18:45.41 | jetscreamer | bofh handbook |
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| 18:46.16 | Enverex | So... any answer to the question? |
| 18:46.44 | blondie | Enverex: I would say "no" |
| 18:46.54 | jetscreamer | i would think no but i've never ran 64bit debian :/ |
| 18:47.07 | blondie | you can't upgrade from one arch to another afaik |
| 18:47.21 | jetscreamer | you can save your settings and a package list |
| 18:47.26 | Enverex | Yeah, I didn't think you could. I'm thinking my best bet is Echy RC1 AMD64, unless there are any major reasons not to... |
| 18:47.27 | denken | there is no such thing as arch-upgrade :) |
| 18:47.30 | denken | unfortunately... :( |
| 18:47.33 | jetscreamer | and make it really easy to make as it was |
| 18:48.18 | jetscreamer | installations are trivial with debian thank god |
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| 18:48.47 | Enverex | heh, not fun like a Gentoo stage 1 then? :P |
| 18:49.10 | J_P | ? etch |
| 18:49.10 | jetscreamer | nah... not even approaching a stage2 |
| 18:49.20 | J_P | apt etch ? |
| 18:49.31 | apt | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:49.31 | J_P | dpkg: etch ? |
| 18:49.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 18:49.34 | abrotman | blazemonger: i'm telling you to install that package |
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| 18:49.47 | blazemonger | abrotman: okay thanks man |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | blazemonger: it's a current known issue in testing/etch |
| 18:49.58 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: apt-get install 'it' |
| 18:50.12 | blazemonger | that's if it doesnt install the package right? |
| 18:50.32 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 18:50.47 | jetscreamer | not 'it' |
| 18:51.13 | J_P | Poepl, I read the topic, about toher docs http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ but not show date for debian 4.0 release, anyone place tell this date ? |
| 18:51.50 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:51.56 | jetscreamer | !etch pool |
| 18:51.56 | dpkg | well, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | i've got quite a few months to go |
| 18:52.09 | cyzie | how do i avoid a user from being log when i view using the command last? |
| 18:52.27 | abrotman | you can't unless you break the system |
| 18:52.32 | blondie | cyzie: English please? |
| 18:52.42 | jetscreamer | i think he wants to not be listed in last |
| 18:52.56 | cyzie | jetscreamer, yes, |
| 18:53.03 | jetscreamer | last: /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory |
| 18:53.03 | jetscreamer | Perhaps this file was removed by the operator to prevent logging last info. |
| 18:53.04 | blondie | why not? |
| 18:53.12 | jetscreamer | haXorZ |
| 18:53.37 | J_P | !listkeys etch pool |
| 18:53.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch pool' by key (7): _default etch pool 1 ;; etch pool 1 ;; etch pool ;; #debian etch pool 1 ;; #debian etch pool ;; etch pool 2 ;; _default etch pool. |
| 18:53.49 | jetscreamer | !tell J_P -about msg |
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| 18:54.24 | jetscreamer | or should that have been msg the bot |
| 18:54.25 | J_P | !listkeys etch pool msg |
| 18:54.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch pool msg' by key returned no results. |
| 18:54.27 | ktwilight_ | what is the common reason on apt-get upgrade/update holding on certain packages? |
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| 18:54.43 | jetscreamer | J_P: /msg dpkg listkeys etch pool |
| 18:55.12 | jetscreamer | is what i meant it to tell you |
| 18:55.12 | J_P | jetscreamer: ahh good :-) thanks |
| 18:55.13 | jetscreamer | ktwilight_: dependencies not available |
| 18:55.23 | jetscreamer | ktwilight_: try dist-upgrade maybe though |
| 18:55.41 | cyzie | jetscreamer, abrotman so is there any way to do so ? |
| 18:55.51 | ktwilight_ | hm |
| 18:55.56 | J_P | jetscreamer: don't are date defined for debian 4.0 release ? |
| 18:56.01 | ktwilight_ | then what's the common reason on why i can't unhold packages? |
| 18:56.02 | Enverex | Is there an online list of debian packages? (program packages, not of Debian itself) |
| 18:56.22 | ktwilight_ | synaptic and aptitude gives a whole list Enverex |
| 18:56.23 | jetscreamer | pdo maybe is like that but it's not a list |
| 18:56.44 | Seb | when i plug my usb key, /dev/sdb isn't "seen", I have to manually access it, like "cfdisk /dev/sdb" for instance, to trigger detection. How can I fix that ? |
| 18:56.45 | angler | Enverex, packages.debian.org |
| 18:56.49 | Enverex | ktwilight_, I don't have it installed yet |
| 18:56.51 | ktwilight_ | i can't seem to unhold certain packages, which may be a bad idea to start with... |
| 18:56.59 | jetscreamer | ktwilight_: unmet dependencies is most common imo, but not the only reason |
| 18:57.01 | ktwilight_ | you don't need to install it to look at it |
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| 18:57.11 | ktwilight_ | hm, what other possible reasons? |
| 18:57.21 | ktwilight_ | 'cuz am on etch, and i can't unhold certain packages, e.g. mutt and xchat |
| 18:57.50 | ktwilight_ | unmet dependencies sounds probable but would be nice to have more detail information, though i somehow think it's impossible to get? |
| 18:58.02 | jetscreamer | maybe if you try to explicitlyy install them it will give a better error msg |
| 18:58.07 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 18:58.08 | J_P | jetscreamer: sorry, but I not understand about date for debian 4.0... :-( |
| 18:58.14 | jetscreamer | there isn't one |
| 18:58.20 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 18:58.20 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 18:58.51 | J_P | jetscreamer: but where are writed that isn't not a defined date to release ? |
| 18:59.08 | Enverex | Damn, UADE isn't in Debian :/ |
| 18:59.08 | jetscreamer | the reference to the etch betting pool was meant to indicate that 'nobody knows' |
| 18:59.44 | ktwilight_ | yay |
| 18:59.45 | ktwilight_ | :) |
| 19:00.22 | ktwilight_ | btw, is anyone gettin' odd pop ups of tabbed sites on firefox? i.e. a tabbed site pop out of the window |
| 19:00.46 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 19:00.49 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 19:01.01 | J_P | jetscreamer: ok |
| 19:01.01 | jetscreamer | that page seems to be in error |
| 19:01.11 | Enverex | Are there any repos with large amounts of packages other than what's on p.d.o? |
| 19:01.37 | jetscreamer | there's marilat |
| 19:01.48 | jetscreamer | but it's not huge or anything, mostly a/v stuff |
| 19:01.54 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 19:01.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 19:02.07 | jetscreamer | there are others |
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| 19:02.43 | Enverex | I noticed e-UAE and UADE aren't in Debians repo which is kinda annoying (really thought at least e-UAE would have been) |
| 19:02.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get.org |
| 19:02.54 | blazemonger | mmm |
| 19:03.13 | cjari | hi, I was looking for yacc binary but only packaged there seem to be are ml-yacc and cl-yacc, can anyone please advice ? |
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| 19:03.54 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
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| 19:04.47 | bdheeman | What the unit of Installed-size: in dpkg -s <package>? |
| 19:05.08 | Enverex | jetscreamer, No matches on there either :P |
| 19:05.30 | Enverex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.09 | jjazz | Are either of the popular python modes in the Etch emacs package? I can't seem to find them. |
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| 19:06.39 | perlmonk | There's the debian reference in HTML... Anyone knows with what it's done ? |
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| 19:06.50 | Enverex | Is it possible to install i386 packages on amd64? |
| 19:06.54 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=UADE+debian&restrict=linux Unix Amiga Delitracker Emulator ? |
| 19:07.12 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Yeah, it was E-UAE that I was looking for |
| 19:07.25 | sepski | Enverex, if you install them in a i386 chroot yes. |
| 19:07.27 | linux_jones | how do i update to the latest kernel in sarge? |
| 19:07.44 | jetscreamer | i'd guess docbook but no idea |
| 19:07.57 | Enverex | sepski, eww... damn |
| 19:08.12 | perlmonk | Yeha, been working with docbook.... very powerful but not comfortable to use. |
| 19:08.33 | perlmonk | okay, thanks |
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| 19:09.00 | bdheeman | dpkg: Installed-size |
| 19:09.08 | blazemonger | debian net-inst is finished |
| 19:09.14 | DevilChaos | hey folks how goes it? |
| 19:09.50 | Enverex | I'm currently trying to decide on amd64 of i386 :/ I just can't decide :( |
| 19:09.58 | DevilChaos | i need to ask a quick question what kernel should i be using for ibm thinkpad t41 386 just ? |
| 19:10.04 | DevilChaos | pentium4 m |
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| 19:10.46 | azeem | DevilChaos: the 686 flavour is fine |
| 19:10.56 | DevilChaos | cool thank you |
| 19:11.18 | mindframe | pcnet32 = network driver? |
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| 19:12.28 | Enverex | mindframe, Yeah, it's an AMD network driver, used by VMWare |
| 19:14.44 | Enverex | hmm, I think I'll stick with i386 then use that method someone else mentioned about exporting the installed packages list and just keeping my home folder |
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| 19:17.41 | php-me | I have 3 X servers running on my box, but sometimes the keymap gets messed up when I switch between them with CTRL-ALT-F{7,8,9}. |
| 19:18.01 | php-me | How can I keep that from happening? |
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| 19:18.15 | Kuko | !quicktime |
| 19:18.15 | dpkg | well, quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/ |
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| 19:18.37 | Kuko | Anyone here play the game secondlife? |
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| 19:18.51 | php-me | kuko: I have. |
| 19:19.08 | Kuko | do you know if any quicktime librarys for linux will work for sl |
| 19:19.20 | php-me | kuko: No idea. |
| 19:20.47 | php-me | Is there a better place to ask general X11 questions? |
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| 19:21.23 | php-me | !X11 |
| 19:21.23 | dpkg | well, x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
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| 19:21.40 | maddash | how do I create a network interface, like eth0? |
| 19:21.41 | jetscreamer | there's a #xorg and an #xfree i believe |
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| 19:22.02 | Techdeck_ | Hey |
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| 19:23.05 | php-me | jetscreamer: Which does sarge use by defailt? |
| 19:23.10 | php-me | default |
| 19:23.14 | jetscreamer | xfree86 |
| 19:23.19 | php-me | Danke. |
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| 19:23.30 | Techdeck_ | I'm having some nagios problem, I have installed it (using apt-get install nagios-mysql), the service runs, mysql runs, apache runs, the web interface shows up BUT I get this error: "Error: Could not read host and service status information!" |
| 19:23.32 | Techdeck_ | any ideas? |
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| 19:23.44 | jetscreamer | etch uses xorg though, and it's 'almost' here |
| 19:23.52 | blazemonger | so it's understandable why a veteran BSD user would have a nightmare with a RPM based distro ? |
| 19:23.53 | Crissi | hello |
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| 19:24.11 | blazemonger | hi Crissi |
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| 19:24.18 | jetscreamer | debian is deb though |
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| 19:24.31 | Enverex | ping |
| 19:24.34 | blazemonger | it's less of a nightmare than rpm right? |
| 19:24.37 | _JusSx_ | blazemonger: because it's better to compile packages |
| 19:24.52 | Techdeck_ | no it isn't |
| 19:24.53 | jetscreamer | no idea. they all seem to function |
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| 19:25.01 | Crissi | does someone use authbind on unstable? i cant get it working.. it always says permission denied if i try to bind a port which i have enabled at /etc/authbin/byport/80 |
| 19:25.11 | Techdeck_ | compiling packages can bite you in the ass |
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| 19:25.19 | Enverex | Is it possible to install Ubuntu packages under Debian? |
| 19:25.24 | blazemonger | when i mention easy i mention easy as in FreeBSD |
| 19:25.27 | bdheeman | maddash: what says your: lspci |egrep -i 'network|ethernet' |
| 19:25.30 | Enverex | (someone was mentioning it earlier) |
| 19:25.33 | jetscreamer | maddash: /etc/network/interfaces , i think |
| 19:25.51 | _JusSx_ | Techdeck_: i don't like rpm packages i prefer tarball |
| 19:25.58 | jetscreamer | Enverex: that will bork a lot |
| 19:26.11 | Enverex | jetscreamer, I mean end packages, not things like GCC, heh |
| 19:26.12 | jetscreamer | sometimes you 'might' be able to |
| 19:26.14 | Eulex | Enverex, yes, possible in some cases, but not very recommended. you should really avoid it if possible. |
| 19:26.20 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 19:26.39 | jetscreamer | try it |
| 19:26.42 | maddash | bdheeman: i've got eth0, which is ethernet...can't find eth1, which is wireless, though. I already "m"-ed the CONFIG_IPW2200 before compiling this kernel, so I was able to load the appropriat ipw2200 module and friends. |
| 19:27.07 | Techdeck_ | _JusSx_, I don't like rpm either but that doesn't mean compiling is better |
| 19:27.11 | Techdeck_ | it depends on the kind of server and needs |
| 19:27.14 | Enverex | jetscreamer, I remember installing a few Debian packages under Ubuntu before and it was ok (as I said, end things, not dependencies) |
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| 19:27.45 | Enverex | What is the size of Debians repo these days anyway? (package wise, say, compared to Ubuntu) |
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| 19:27.54 | bdheeman | maddash: ok, that means you WLAN is not recognized by any of the installed kernel drivers |
| 19:28.02 | jetscreamer | Enverex: once, i wanted to see what would happen, and changed apt sources to ubuntu ones. not good :) but like you said, maybe just one... |
| 19:28.18 | bdheeman | ! lspci |egrep -i 'network|ethernet' |
| 19:28.24 | maddash | bdheeman: odd? b/c ipw2200 works fine w/my intel 2200b/g, back in the days of ubuntu... |
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| 19:29.10 | bdheeman | maddash: is the module ipw2200 loaded? |
| 19:29.32 | maddash | bdheeman: your egrep cmd is syntactically incorrect... |
| 19:29.57 | maddash | bdheeman I'm haaving a hard time figuring out how to do both "network" and "ethernet" at the same time |
| 19:30.17 | maddash | bdheeman: yes, ipw2200 and friends are loaded. |
| 19:30.19 | bdheeman | maddash: is working here, i have sent an output |
| 19:30.41 | maddash | bdheeman: "bash: ethernet: command not found" |
| 19:30.43 | bdheeman | maddash: what says the iwconfig? |
| 19:30.50 | maddash | bdheeman, nvm, forgot quotes |
| 19:31.09 | Enverex | jetscreamer, What is the size of Debians repo these days anyway? (package wise, say, compared to Ubuntu) |
| 19:31.17 | maddash | bdheeman, iwconfig totally ignores eth1. just lists "no wireless ext" for lo, sit0 and eth0 |
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| 19:31.58 | bdheeman | maddash: any clues from dmeg |
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| 19:32.24 | maddash | bdheeman, dmesg|grep -i network ? |
| 19:32.26 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: big. 300G or so for all archs and dists. |
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| 19:32.54 | dondelelcaro | !+dstats sid |
| 19:32.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:32.57 | maddash | bdheeman, dmesg |grep -i network returns naught |
| 19:33.01 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, I meant say, number of packages in i386 trying to avoid duplicates |
| 19:33.10 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19803 packages, 1773 maintainers, 45798 MB installed size, 15197 MB compressed size. |
| 19:33.18 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: then see above... |
| 19:33.24 | Enverex | hmm |
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| 19:33.28 | maddash | bdheeman, dmesg |grep -i ipw returns naught |
| 19:33.30 | sly007 | Hello, do I need to compile Direct Rendering Manager support in my 2.6 kernel? How do I decide? |
| 19:34.00 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, How did Ubuntu get so many so fast? (they have more than that now which doesn't really seem possible) |
| 19:34.01 | bdheeman | maddash: yes, dmesg |grep ipw |
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| 19:34.21 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: because they take all of the packages from unstable? |
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| 19:34.30 | maddash | bdheeman, returns nothing, as before |
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| 19:34.54 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, My only worry is lack of packages, heh (I'm moving from Gentoo) |
| 19:34.57 | bdheeman | maddash: what's your kernel version? |
| 19:35.01 | maddash | bdheeman, should I edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:35.13 | maddash | bdheeman, etch 2.6.18.3 |
| 19:35.20 | bdheeman | maddash: no not yet |
| 19:35.32 | bdheeman | maddash: wow, same here |
| 19:35.43 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: almost all of the packages you'd want to use are in Debian. In general, if it isn't packaged, you should be asking yourself whether you really want to use it |
| 19:36.07 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, I want e-UAE and UADE, heh (nothing else gives their functionality) |
| 19:36.08 | DeadFishMan | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 19:36.09 | rahul | or if you'd like to package it |
| 19:36.21 | DeadFishMan | You nit the nail on the head with that one! XD |
| 19:36.26 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:36.29 | Enverex | rahul, I tried making a few packages on Ubuntu. That was a nightmare. |
| 19:36.36 | HardDisk_WP | i have to copy a directory with very long filenames |
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| 19:36.41 | HardDisk_WP | to a fat32 |
| 19:36.42 | rahul | and if it's so shitty to compile that you don't want to package it, you should be reconsidering using it :) |
| 19:36.50 | HardDisk_WP | any way to "cut" the filenames so they fit? |
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| 19:36.52 | prolific- | By what means did stable recognize my usb flashdrive upon insertion, mount it, and bring up a (nautilus, I think) explorer window for it? I upgraded to unstable for a few reasons and now it does not do that. I have udev and autofs, but am wondering what I must do to get that behavior. I'm sick of writing my own mounting scripts :/ |
| 19:36.56 | rahul | Enverex: shrug, making packages is easy for me, on debian |
| 19:37.05 | Enverex | rahul, The compiling was easy, it was all the bits I had to edit/make/etc that was hard |
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| 19:37.22 | Enverex | rahul, Unless those were unique to Ubuntu |
| 19:37.24 | rahul | Enverex: it's pretty much automated |
| 19:37.27 | Horst_Flemming | Hello guys! What is the debian-way to install the nvidia x-driver? I'm running etch. |
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| 19:37.39 | bdheeman | maddash: and your modinfo ipw2200 |
| 19:37.43 | rahul | Enverex: which assisting tool did you use? |
| 19:37.48 | pickcoder | Enverex: just like any other Linux process, once you understand the files it's easy |
| 19:37.52 | jetscreamer | enable cotrib non-free and install nvidia-glx and other one |
| 19:37.52 | Enverex | rahul, Damned if I can remember, this was a while ago |
| 19:37.59 | pickcoder | s/Linux/computer |
| 19:38.16 | maddash | bdheeman, uh, you want the whole dump? |
| 19:38.26 | Enverex | pickcoder, True, I'm moving to Debian from Gentoo because I'm sick of having to spend ages making my machine work rather than use it though, heh, it sounds like it'll bring back bad memories |
| 19:38.39 | Horst_Flemming | jetscreamer, cheers, I shall do! |
| 19:38.43 | bdheeman | maddash: only the module version |
| 19:39.03 | maddash | bdheeman, 1.1.2kdm |
| 19:39.03 | blazemonger | if i install debian how do i install that freebsd+debian combo? |
| 19:39.08 | blazemonger | do i need a separate partition? |
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| 19:39.39 | jetscreamer | Horst_Flemming: after you update the sources apt-cache search nvidia- |
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| 19:40.02 | bdheeman | maddash: would you mind trying the latest on is 1.2.1? |
| 19:40.11 | pickcoder | Enverex: what specifically are you concerned about? |
| 19:40.13 | Horst_Flemming | jetscreamer, just did that. Did aptitude install nvidia-glx and it's downloading stuff now. |
| 19:40.24 | Horst_Flemming | and it's finished by now. |
| 19:40.28 | jetscreamer | there is a nvidia-kernel or something also |
| 19:40.31 | Enverex | pickcoder, Installing Debian then finding apps that I use occasionally not being in the repos |
| 19:40.33 | rahul | Enverex: well, if you didn't use debhelper, I can see it being difficult |
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| 19:40.43 | Horst_Flemming | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-486 (1.0.8776+5) ... |
| 19:40.56 | rahul | Enverex: but for something that uses autoconf, it's pretty much trivial. |
| 19:40.56 | bdheeman | maddash: is the appropriate firmware installed in /lib/firmware ? |
| 19:40.57 | maddash | bdheeman, I'd rather not - recompiling's going to take a while. |
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| 19:41.03 | blazemonger | ok folks im about to install debian testing |
| 19:41.13 | Horst_Flemming | Do I have to modify the Xorg.conf manually? (I've edited it before) |
| 19:41.15 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: |
| 19:41.15 | blazemonger | using net-install |
| 19:41.16 | rahul | that is, if the thing uses autoconf sanely, which is actually an oxymoron, but .... |
| 19:41.19 | maddash | bdheeman, hmm, could be the problem. /lib/firmware is empty. |
| 19:41.20 | loopdee | fglrx seems to corrupt vnc ? anyone else use fglrx and connect vnc ? |
| 19:41.21 | jetscreamer | you can just upgrade |
| 19:41.26 | blazemonger | jetscreamer: i'm about to be liberated |
| 19:41.38 | bdheeman | maddash: so that's the problem |
| 19:41.42 | Enverex | Did anyone here convert to Debian from Gentoo? |
| 19:42.04 | pickcoder | Enverex: you can put whatever you want under /usr/local/ |
| 19:42.08 | blazemonger | jetscreamer: would you reccomend using the graphical install or the textmode install |
| 19:42.17 | pickcoder | Enverex: just be sure you update it regularly |
| 19:42.21 | streuner | !gentoosmite Enverex |
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| 19:42.26 | pickcoder | which is why a lot of people prefer Debian archives <g> |
| 19:42.33 | jetscreamer | i've only used the text installer |
| 19:42.39 | maddash | bdheeman, so is this a result of me having resumed from hibernation? |
| 19:42.52 | Enverex | pickcoder, I know how to manually compile, but with Linux's "install everything into 60 different folders" technique it makes me worry about cruft whenever I do it |
| 19:43.03 | Enverex | streuner, funny |
| 19:43.08 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: if you have sarge you can just change sources and upgrade |
| 19:43.17 | jetscreamer | !sarge -> etch |
| 19:43.18 | pickcoder | Enverex: apt won't touch it if it's not part of an existing package |
| 19:43.23 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 19:43.23 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 19:43.32 | Horst_Flemming | Gotta go for now. Thanks jetscreamer, cu guys! |
| 19:43.33 | blazemonger | im on BLAG right now but its about to be either Debian or Slackware |
| 19:43.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:43.45 | pickcoder | Enverex: but like I said.. you need to keep on top of the sources you install if you want a stable box |
| 19:43.54 | bdheeman | maddash: NP, just reinstall it http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7 |
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| 19:44.02 | pickcoder | otherwise, request the project be added to the wishlist |
| 19:44.28 | cwheeler | do I need raid in my kernel for lvm to work? |
| 19:44.30 | Enverex | pickcoder, That was the thing about Gentoo, it may have had to compile stuff all the time and break every other week, but it seemed to have ebuilds for every little thing that I can't find in many other distros |
| 19:44.44 | Eulex | blazemonger, I'd use the text one, it's more stable |
| 19:44.47 | Enverex | pickcoder, yeah, if I make packages myself it'd be a lot cleaner but still... |
| 19:44.52 | cwheeler | debian has had all the stuff i've wanted so far |
| 19:44.58 | maddash | bdheeman, also, do I have to install HAL? |
| 19:45.20 | maddash | bdheeman, for the wireless to work, I mean |
| 19:45.20 | amphi | maddash: how goeth it? |
| 19:45.22 | bdheeman | maddash: no |
| 19:45.23 | maddash | amphi!!! |
| 19:45.33 | pickcoder | Enverex: if it's a popular package it's in Debian |
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| 19:46.07 | maddash | amphi: i've rigged my xchat to play "reville" everytime you "maddash...." me. |
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| 19:46.46 | amphi | maddash: what on earth is 'reville'? and why aren't you using irssi? ;) |
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| 19:47.38 | shogunx | amphi, reville is what they play in the military to wake people up. |
| 19:48.11 | cwheeler | i get error something xemacs wants is missing but i haven't figured out what it is? any xemacs users here? |
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| 19:48.31 | toubsu | what networking monitoring software is good? |
| 19:48.38 | maddash | bdheeman, there's no README...do I just copy it all over to /lib/firmware? |
| 19:48.49 | Enverex | One last thing, how easy is updating between versions of Debian? (Gentoo is kinda "rolling" so it never needs doing) |
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| 19:49.26 | bdheeman | maddash: you may exclude the README file |
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| 19:49.37 | maddash | amphi: irssi is term-based, too hard for me to use... |
| 19:49.39 | DeadFishMan | toubsu: NAGIOS? |
| 19:49.42 | pickcoder | Enverex: it's normally flawless |
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| 19:49.52 | maddash | bdheeman, there's no README at all... |
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| 19:50.05 | Enverex | pickcoder, "normally"? |
| 19:50.29 | pickcoder | though there is a problem with dist-upgrade from Sarge to Etch, which I dunno if anyone working on apt has seen it |
| 19:50.35 | bdheeman | maddash: sorry, that's the LICENSE* |
| 19:50.43 | pickcoder | Enverex: like I've upgraded several Woody boxes to Etch |
| 19:50.44 | maddash | bdheeman, ok |
| 19:50.57 | pickcoder | no problems at all, just took a long time to download and install all the new packages |
| 19:51.33 | bdheeman | maddash: rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 |
| 19:51.35 | pickcoder | Woody->Etch is 2 major releases |
| 19:51.42 | pickcoder | into a testing distro |
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| 19:51.51 | maddash | bdheeman, "sudo cp *.fw /lib/firmware" ? |
| 19:51.54 | Enverex | pickcoder, Can you switch between things like Stable, Unstable and Testing easily or is that a different class of things? |
| 19:52.09 | bdheeman | maddash: yeah |
| 19:52.11 | pickcoder | you are better off picking a release name staying with it |
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| 19:52.22 | pickcoder | right now Sarge is stable |
| 19:52.24 | pickcoder | Etch is testing |
| 19:52.33 | pickcoder | Etch will be stable soon |
| 19:52.57 | pickcoder | Sarge will still get security updates for a while |
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| 19:53.05 | jazotic | etch is ..nearly.. released ;) |
| 19:53.06 | maddash | bdheeman, ifconfig -a returns eth1 as "link cap: ethernet" - is that correct? |
| 19:53.14 | Enverex | pickcoder, So Etch would be a good bet at the moment to save switching again. I just want to avoid "ever" reinstalling |
| 19:53.16 | pickcoder | nearly? last I saw there was still over 100 RC bugs |
| 19:53.25 | exerd | aprox how long til stable? |
| 19:53.43 | pickcoder | Enverex: yes. it has 2.6.18 and most of the newer hardware drivers |
| 19:53.44 | bdheeman | maddash: yeah, and iwconfig? |
| 19:53.53 | pickcoder | Sarge is very stable, but it's also a bit dated now |
| 19:53.55 | jazotic | pickcoder: it's quite ok - using it here on _many_ boxes |
| 19:54.22 | pickcoder | jazotic: I have it running on about 6 servers |
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| 19:54.33 | pickcoder | not to mention the swarm of boxen on my server farm at home |
| 19:54.38 | Enverex | pickcoder, ... so the Kernel doesn't get updated over time? Damn. Would using a manually compiled kernel be much of an issue? That was one thing I liked with Gentoo. |
| 19:54.41 | maddash | bdheeman, iwconfig gives the proper essid and what not...attempting to power on wireless card via /sys/class/net/eth1/device/power/state |
| 19:54.47 | jazotic | pickcoder: not on servers - the sarge does what i want - teaching stuff.. |
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| 19:55.27 | pickcoder | Enverex: the Debian kernel has been patched to fix things and to work better with the packages bundled |
| 19:55.35 | bdheeman | maddash: ? |
| 19:55.36 | Enverex | pickcoder, ... hmm |
| 19:55.37 | pickcoder | but you can get the source tree and build your own kernel image package |
| 19:55.52 | pickcoder | if you roll your own vanilla kernel, don't expect a ton of help.. <g> |
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| 19:56.10 | jazotic | jeah, it's an FAQ :) |
| 19:56.17 | Enverex | pickcoder, Sounds messy. It's just my DVB card needs the git kernel experimental things at the moment which means it probably wont ever be supported on Etch |
| 19:56.25 | jazotic | Enverex: it isn't |
| 19:56.40 | pickcoder | Enverex: if you want to include a bunch of modules in the kernel, you can build your own kernel package and install it using dpkg |
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| 19:57.08 | jazotic | take a look on make-kpkg or m-a (module assistant) for modules only... |
| 19:57.19 | maddash | bdheeman, can't seem to activate it by echoing... |
| 19:57.26 | Enverex | I just kinda like a up-to-date but working system with a few bleeding edge bits, the kernel being a good one to have new due to new features, support, etc |
| 19:57.36 | maddash | bdheeman, nvm I'll figure it out. thanks for pointing out the missing firmware... |
| 19:57.44 | g333k_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.56 | maddash | bdheeman, in the future, if I fresh install my system, do I have to get the firmware again? |
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| 19:57.59 | pickcoder | Enverex: you can't have a stable box and have it bleeding edge unless you do the work yourself |
| 19:58.03 | bdheeman | maddash: need not do that, ifconfig eth1 up will do |
| 19:58.35 | Enverex | pickcoder, As I said, only one or two bleeding edge things, not the entire system... |
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| 19:59.00 | bdheeman | maddash: yes, and no if you save the tarball for future |
| 19:59.18 | jazotic | Enverex: you should be fine with the standard. howerver, ... (ck's patches for video things...) |
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| 19:59.40 | maddash | bdheeman, thanks. |
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| 19:59.49 | Enverex | jazotic, Well like I said for things like needing the cutting edge DVB modules... |
| 19:59.51 | bdheeman | maddash: you're welcome! |
| 20:00.13 | bdheeman | maddash: chk the iwpriv eth1 |
| 20:00.15 | jazotic | Enverex: just compile them for your kernel? |
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| 20:00.38 | Enverex | jazotic, Well I was wondering if the kernel already had the older versions in which would make it messy |
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| 20:00.59 | rahul | Enverex: use the same source tree you already do. |
| 20:01.00 | jazotic | Enverex: if? has it? |
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| 20:01.06 | dreamer | hi all |
| 20:01.13 | dreamer | anyway, I have a server running Sarge (until today), I had pdpbb2.0.13 (the sarge stable release), but I wanted 2.0.21 , my other server-admin then upgraded to sid and updated, now I get an SQL Errer: 1054 which I have no idea how to fix |
| 20:01.17 | pickcoder | Enverex: the latest for Etch is 2.6.18 |
| 20:01.47 | rahul | Enverex: make-kpkg will work with any linux kernel tree |
| 20:02.15 | Enverex | Ah, ok, I don't know exactly how Debian does things, I just wanted to check this all before I delete my running Gentoo system, heh |
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| 20:02.27 | Enverex | I'll be losing a lot of time to recompile it all if I don't like Debian :P |
| 20:02.31 | pickcoder | Enverex: make-kpkg is nice.. and I used to bundle kernels manually |
| 20:02.51 | jazotic | Enverex: get source / make menuconfig (or...) / make-kpkg --revision=bla kernel_image ... |
| 20:02.54 | pickcoder | make menuconfig... then run a make-kpkg statement to build a .deb to install |
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| 20:03.45 | Enverex | k |
| 20:03.50 | Enverex | Ok, rebooting and installing |
| 20:04.05 | Enverex | Erm, actually, can I get to a bash terminal from the netinstall CD? |
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| 20:04.14 | Enverex | Or is it stuck at an ncurses interface? |
| 20:04.16 | rahul | Enverex: I think it's actually ash |
| 20:04.18 | jazotic | bye folks... |
| 20:04.21 | rahul | but it's on alt-F4 or something |
| 20:04.25 | pickcoder | alt-F2 but you are limited |
| 20:04.40 | Enverex | ... that's not very useful, heh |
| 20:04.42 | pickcoder | F3 is the debug message screen |
| 20:04.43 | Topash | anyone here know how i would go about hooking a lcd tv with AV output into a surround sound system which has standard coaxial and optical inputs? |
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| 20:04.55 | rahul | F4 must be syslog |
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| 20:05.10 | Acid_Scorpion | Hello |
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| 20:05.21 | rahul | Enverex: why? do you need bashisms in the installer? |
| 20:05.26 | Acid_Scorpion | say me please, howto calculate APT::Cache-Limit? |
| 20:05.29 | christiane | Hello. Is there a `diff` option that shows me better if a section of code is just (un)commented? |
| 20:05.39 | wireddd_ | whats the best way to setup a vnc between two debian boxes? |
| 20:05.39 | Enverex | rahul, I need to delete everything other than my home folder |
| 20:05.49 | rahul | Enverex: that needs bashisms? |
| 20:06.03 | Enverex | rahul, not sure |
| 20:06.09 | rahul | ... |
| 20:06.18 | abrotman | Acid_Scorpion: man page should tell you |
| 20:06.27 | christiane | wireddd_: I like vnc4server |
| 20:06.31 | pickcoder | Enverex: Knoppix CD |
| 20:06.32 | abrotman | wireddd: install a vnc server on one .. vnc client on the other ... |
| 20:06.34 | Enverex | rahul, It's just I think I used something like ash before and it was confusing as it was just slightly different, heh |
| 20:06.38 | pickcoder | I'd back it up on media, though |
| 20:06.43 | pickcoder | wipe everything then |
| 20:06.43 | dreamer | anybody an idea what that SQL Error 1054 could be? |
| 20:06.49 | Enverex | pickcoder, ugh, now downloading another 600MB just to delete a few folders |
| 20:06.50 | Acid_Scorpion | abrotman: man apt-get didn't give me information about that |
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| 20:06.55 | prolific- | Given a message like, "new high speed USB device using address 4", how can I deduce the device file which points to my usb device? |
| 20:06.55 | christiane | wireddd_: If you need to access a "real" X server you need x11vnc |
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| 20:06.59 | Enverex | pickcoder, and I have nowhere to back up to |
| 20:07.01 | Enverex | argh, I hate being indecisive, I can't decide what distro to go with, I'm torn between Debian, SuSe and Ubuntu |
| 20:07.03 | abrotman | Acid_Scorpion: man apt.conf i believe |
| 20:07.04 | rahul | Enverex: the differences are in stuff like ${VAR/foo/bar} I think |
| 20:07.08 | wireddd_ | I meant vpn, my bad |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | Enverex: just freaking pick one |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | wireddd: damn you! |
| 20:07.21 | niche | does anyone know of a way to manage duplicate files across multilple disks? |
| 20:07.40 | pickcoder | niche: eh? |
| 20:07.49 | Enverex | abrotman, I wish I could =/ |
| 20:07.49 | coulee | why should i use volatile over backports if they both contain the same versions for a specific program? |
| 20:07.50 | rahul | niche: rsync |
| 20:07.51 | pickcoder | niche: rsycn? |
| 20:07.56 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:08.01 | rahul | heh |
| 20:08.06 | christiane | wireddd_: I like OpenVPN ... ;-) if you really meant vpn |
| 20:08.10 | niche | rsync? ok, i'll google/wiki that |
| 20:08.11 | niche | thanks |
| 20:08.13 | Acid_Scorpion | abrotman: still no information |
| 20:08.16 | wireddd_ | I really did mean vpn |
| 20:08.24 | pickcoder | I use OpenVPN as well |
| 20:08.39 | wireddd_ | I have two boxes and one is behind a router that can't forward ports |
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| 20:08.43 | Enverex | pickcoder, Are there any real differences between Debian and Ubuntu other than the obvious? |
| 20:08.46 | pickcoder | there are some throughput tweaks I haven't tried yet |
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| 20:08.56 | pickcoder | Debian is the original and best |
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| 20:09.11 | wireddd_ | and I need to be able to connect to it and the network it is sitting on |
| 20:09.13 | pickcoder | but that's subjective to the installer |
| 20:09.29 | Enverex | pickcoder, I'm just wondering if Ubuntu will overtake with it's financial backing and speed it seems to be rocketing into the world atm |
| 20:09.30 | christiane | wireddd_: Then let the box behind the router be the "client" |
| 20:09.45 | pickcoder | Enverex: *choke* |
| 20:09.52 | pickcoder | I'd never run Ubuntu on a server |
| 20:09.53 | rahul | haha |
| 20:09.55 | Enverex | pickcoder, yeah yeah, I know, but still |
| 20:10.04 | pickcoder | money ain't everything |
| 20:10.06 | wireddd_ | is openvpn not apt-getable? |
| 20:10.13 | stoned | pickcoder, no, but its close |
| 20:10.14 | pickcoder | Debian is an old and stable community |
| 20:10.16 | Enverex | Ok, disc is burnt, restarting |
| 20:10.17 | pickcoder | Ubuntu isn't |
| 20:10.22 | wireddd_ | nm |
| 20:10.32 | pickcoder | stoned: go back to sleep |
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| 20:10.56 | mike-e | hello |
| 20:10.58 | stoned | money really isn't everything at all |
| 20:11.07 | stoned | it just pays for food and rent and bills and insurance |
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| 20:11.11 | stoned | thats about it |
| 20:11.12 | sparr | is there a way to make a window always think it has focus? im using a java applet in firefox that takes a minute to draw when i focus the window, but its very fast otherwise. |
| 20:11.14 | stoned | really fuck money right |
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| 20:11.17 | stoned | what a tard |
| 20:11.28 | mike-e | is it typically better stability wise to just do a release installation and do a dist upgrade or just download the etch netinst |
| 20:11.28 | rahul | stoned: are you on crack? heh |
| 20:11.42 | rahul | debian doesn't NEED to pay many people for anything |
| 20:11.48 | rahul | we maintain what we use |
| 20:11.51 | niche | i'm not exactly sure that rsync does what i want to do |
| 20:11.59 | christiane | wireddd_: It is. I do it that way: The machine behind NAT I need access to acts as a "client" that looks up a special dyndns ip. When my connection comes up it takes 30 s until vpn is connected. |
| 20:12.02 | niche | hmmm :/ |
| 20:12.07 | rahul | niche: why not? |
| 20:12.18 | rahul | it copies the files from the source that's modified |
| 20:12.37 | stoned | rahul, why are you asking me if I'm on crack. pickcoder is the one going off about how money isn't everything. Like I said, it isn't everything, but its close. |
| 20:12.46 | niche | no, that's a completely different situation than mine, rahul |
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| 20:12.56 | maxy | niche: what do you mean with "manage"? |
| 20:12.56 | niche | it's useful, but not for what i'm doing |
| 20:12.58 | pickcoder | stoned: I'm not getting into the money argument here again |
| 20:13.07 | coulee | why should i use volatile over backports if they both contain the same versions for a specific program? |
| 20:13.10 | stoned | pickcoder, then stop throwing out stupid cliches |
| 20:13.16 | mike-e | you guys should take this to #abunchofwhinerstrollingeachother |
| 20:13.17 | pickcoder | stoned: it's not a cliche |
| 20:13.19 | niche | i should've phrased it better. let me try again |
| 20:13.19 | christiane | Hello. Is there a `diff` option that shows me better if a section of code is just (un)commented? |
| 20:13.30 | Enverex | pickcoder, Oh, that was another thing, Gentoo installers for commercial games like UT2004 and Doom 3 etc are nice |
| 20:13.31 | stoned | pickcoder, it is. Technically. |
| 20:13.31 | wireddd_ | christiane, will it automatically reconnect if the network goes down and comes back up? |
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| 20:13.37 | Enverex | pickcoder, It's the little things :( |
| 20:13.38 | scenestar | ugh |
| 20:13.40 | scenestar | lo tehre |
| 20:13.44 | pickcoder | you also need very active support and development to go with it |
| 20:13.52 | christiane | wireddd_: Yes. I really love OpenVPN :-) |
| 20:13.56 | niche | let's say i have 3 disks, with 100 files on each. i wanted to recursively find all the duplicates between the 3 disks, and eliminate them |
| 20:13.57 | stoned | eitherway, ubuntu sucks and I couldn't agree more |
| 20:13.58 | pickcoder | stoned: maybe you should just go work for Ubuntu then |
| 20:14.00 | rahul | and if you have active support and development, you don't need money |
| 20:14.06 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 20:14.06 | scenestar | can someone explain to me why etch makes me want to claw a packagemanagers eyes out |
| 20:14.10 | stoned | pickcoder, what does that have to do with ubuntu |
| 20:14.17 | pickcoder | you said money is just about everything |
| 20:14.18 | niche | i really don't know what i could use for that |
| 20:14.23 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:14.25 | scenestar | for some reason ndiswrapper broke. and now bcm times out |
| 20:14.29 | stoned | pickcoder, can you live in this world without money? |
| 20:14.35 | scenestar | stoned i can |
| 20:14.41 | scenestar | its called freeganism |
| 20:14.42 | christiane | wireddd_: Even already established connections keep connected |
| 20:14.49 | scenestar | its not that hard to be honest |
| 20:14.57 | niche | my problem is much more complex than it sounds = ( |
| 20:15.01 | maxy | niche: find|xargs md5sum > disk1 ... etc. and then some script maybe. |
| 20:15.06 | scenestar | our society is so damn wastefull that one can live off the discarded goods |
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| 20:15.24 | mike-e | is it typically better stability wise to just do a release installation and do a dist upgrade or just download the etch netinst |
| 20:15.28 | niche | maxy, i'm going to msg you with the details.... is that ok with you? |
| 20:15.34 | stoned | I mean its a pointless argument. Money does matter. Just like size matters. Just like speed on the guitar matters. The only people who cut down on things like that, are the ones who don't have any or have never had anything to begin with. |
| 20:15.39 | rahul | scenestar: well, if you want to give up freedom of choice. but that's your choice :) |
| 20:15.40 | maxy | niche: ok. |
| 20:15.45 | stoned | anyway... |
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| 20:16.07 | rahul | stoned: you don't need to pay people to do things they'll need to do anyway |
| 20:16.13 | scenestar | rahul fuck freedom of choice |
| 20:16.20 | mike-e | lorf |
| 20:16.24 | stoned | rahul, my statements have nothing to do with debian/ubuntu |
| 20:16.34 | scenestar | "freedom of choice" is destroying our planet |
| 20:16.34 | stoned | rahul, I'm just pulling pickoders legs |
| 20:16.36 | stoned | both of em |
| 20:16.36 | stoned | :D |
| 20:16.41 | pickcoder | stoned: I don't need to be paid to help a community I'm personally involved in |
| 20:16.44 | pickcoder | maybe you do |
| 20:16.47 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:16.59 | stoned | That is exactly why I've been here helping support debian for years |
| 20:17.06 | pickcoder | my payment is seeing projects grow and becoming successful |
| 20:17.12 | stoned | That is exactly why I take MY time to tranlate it into MY language |
| 20:17.16 | Enverex | Other than in here (obviously) I'm struggling to find anyone using Debian :/ |
| 20:17.21 | stoned | I really get a few checks from debian a month |
| 20:17.23 | stoned | covers me good |
| 20:17.31 | scenestar | stoned werd up |
| 20:17.37 | scenestar | i translate a controll panel |
| 20:17.46 | scenestar | to sell it to my hosting customers |
| 20:17.55 | scenestar | and then submit the patches to the author |
| 20:18.20 | stoned | well, the Urdu translation isn't very active these days |
| 20:18.27 | stoned | not even that many people working right now |
| 20:18.34 | scenestar | are there checks involved |
| 20:18.35 | scenestar | :P |
| 20:18.39 | stoned | lol |
| 20:18.49 | stoned | nah, my payment is to see my non english speaking family use debian |
| 20:18.52 | scenestar | i speak english, dutch french and german |
| 20:19.07 | scenestar | working on japanese too |
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| 20:19.12 | cusco | maddash: is there a way to measure the boot time? :P its a normal MB |
| 20:19.26 | maddash | cusco: I use a stopwatch. |
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| 20:19.33 | stoned | lol |
| 20:19.34 | cusco | hehe |
| 20:19.52 | stoned | one, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand... |
| 20:19.53 | maddash | cusco: starting from the moment you hit "enter" at the grub menu till the first time a gdm screen shows up |
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| 20:20.08 | maddash | stoned: psht. that's so stone-age. we use digital timers now. |
| 20:20.11 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:20.16 | cusco | maddash: I will measure up later... right now im going to sleep a bit |
| 20:20.23 | cusco | thanks again... cya |
| 20:20.24 | maddash | cusco, what timezone? |
| 20:20.28 | maddash | cusco np |
| 20:20.32 | bbelt16ag | whats the command to fix a problem with a package? ( dpkg --something) |
| 20:20.33 | christiane | Is there a `diff` option that shows me better if a section of code is just (un)commented? I tried -u but see both uncommented (-) and commented (+) lines ... |
| 20:20.33 | cusco | gmt + 0 |
| 20:20.35 | Hoxzer | cAn Somebody take a look to my kernel config and see why my PCMCIA wlan card isn't detected http://pastebin.ca/309194 |
| 20:20.49 | maddash | bbelt16ag, fix dependencies? you could open aptitude or synaptic for that. |
| 20:20.52 | stoned | bbelt16ag, what problem? |
| 20:21.05 | bbelt16ag | dpkg error for statd... |
| 20:21.13 | maddash | bbelt16ag, `sudo aptitude` or `gksu synaptic` |
| 20:21.25 | bbelt16ag | it tried to setup statd and errors |
| 20:21.26 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:21.31 | stoned | bbelt16ag, apt-get -f install |
| 20:21.33 | stoned | try this first |
| 20:21.35 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:21.45 | maddash | man apt-get |
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| 20:22.17 | maddash | bbelt16ag, do it w/aptitude, so you can fully purge dependencies later. |
| 20:22.20 | mike_ | can i tell the debian installer which nic driver to use during install? |
| 20:22.23 | bbelt16ag | /var/lib/dpkg/info/statd.postinst: line 5: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 20:22.29 | mike_ | it keeps using tg3 but thats wrong |
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| 20:22.56 | stoned | mike_, should be ablt to with expert install..? |
| 20:22.59 | Nazcafan | how do I get a package install status (i.e. installed, non-installed, maybe broken) |
| 20:23.03 | Nazcafan | ? |
| 20:23.15 | mike_ | oh? i will try |
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| 20:23.42 | stoned | Nazcafan, emmm, apt-cache policy pkgname? |
| 20:23.42 | maddash | bbelt16ag, did you do aptitude? or synaptic? |
| 20:23.46 | stoned | perhaps? |
| 20:24.03 | maddash | nazcafan: synaptic? aptitude? |
| 20:24.14 | maddash | man apt-cache |
| 20:24.15 | Nazcafan | maddash: need command line |
| 20:24.24 | Nazcafan | stoned: thanks, that will make do |
| 20:24.29 | stoned | word |
| 20:24.30 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l i think |
| 20:24.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching i think |
| 20:24.39 | maddash | lol |
| 20:24.40 | holycow | !deb |
| 20:24.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 20:25.17 | blinx | es |
| 20:25.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 20:25.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching dpkg |
| 20:25.26 | stoned | !es |
| 20:25.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:25.27 | bbelt16ag | i fixed it |
| 20:25.34 | stoned | bbelt16ag, great |
| 20:25.35 | bbelt16ag | it was looking for a file that had moved.. |
| 20:25.36 | holycow | anyone know of a quick and dirty guide to packaging for debian? i just need to package up some local stuff and don't have time to go through the whole debian packaging guide |
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| 20:25.54 | bbelt16ag | so i linked from /usr/bin/inetd to /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 20:25.57 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
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| 20:25.58 | dendrite | holycow: Look into checkinstall |
| 20:26.03 | magic_stone | Hello :) |
| 20:26.07 | rahul | holycow: man dh_make? |
| 20:26.19 | holycow | dendrite, k. rahul k. thank you. |
| 20:26.34 | maddash | is there a linux nail clipper out there? |
| 20:27.11 | stoned | !package basics |
| 20:27.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 20:27.34 | magic_stone | Is there anyone more that are having problems using the normal firefox in debian etch or is debian that are complicated the use of the normal firefox because ther trademarks whith mozilla |
| 20:27.47 | magic_stone | to try to the persons use the icewind inside the normal firefox |
| 20:27.47 | stoned | magic_stone, apt-get install iceweasel |
| 20:27.49 | magic_stone | ? |
| 20:28.07 | magic_stone | stoned and if i want the to use the beta version |
| 20:28.07 | jetscreamer | i heard iceweasel isn't in etch but i dunno |
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| 20:28.16 | maddash | jetscreamer: it isn't |
| 20:28.16 | magic_stone | i don`t have iceweasel |
| 20:28.21 | stoned | i dont' use etch |
| 20:28.24 | Nazcafan | is iceweasel planned to go to etch ? |
| 20:28.34 | stoned | mozilla are being nazis |
| 20:28.34 | magic_stone | why don`t use the etch they say is one good pace |
| 20:28.38 | stoned | its not debian's fault |
| 20:28.40 | magic_stone | etch is allready frozen |
| 20:28.41 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: what is wrong with iceweasel ? |
| 20:28.48 | stoned | it is? |
| 20:28.51 | blondie | yes |
| 20:28.53 | magic_stone | Nazcafan what is roung whith firefox? |
| 20:28.59 | stoned | where is the topic? |
| 20:29.10 | bbelt16ag | allright i fixed my problem i can now open multi tabes of multi links woot woot |
| 20:29.13 | maddash | !topic |
| 20:29.23 | maddash | dpkg tell stoned the topic |
| 20:29.31 | stoned | there is nothing on the debian.org site about it |
| 20:29.34 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: firefox can't be included anymore in debian because of legal issues, now what is wrong with iceweasel ? |
| 20:29.58 | blondie | Nazcafan: yes it can... and is |
| 20:30.00 | magic_stone | Nazcafa can`t be inluded but i can install it myself |
| 20:30.03 | magic_stone | i think |
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| 20:30.11 | magic_stone | and there are no iceweasel in etch |
| 20:30.14 | magic_stone | here |
| 20:30.18 | magic_stone | in synaptic i think :\ |
| 20:30.22 | magic_stone | there are firefoxz 1.5 |
| 20:30.23 | rindolf | ?/close |
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| 20:30.42 | lunaphyte_ | do i have this right? filesystems sit on lvm devices, which sit on md devices, which sit on disk partitions, which sit on disks? |
| 20:31.02 | magic_stone | i can run the firefox 2.0 but is giving me strange stuf :\ neither chmod can reoslve it |
| 20:31.04 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 20:31.24 | Nazcafan | but sometimes, even if it is in freeze, vorlon pushes urgency |
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| 20:31.43 | magic_stone | Nazcafan yes but if i want to use the normal firefox ? |
| 20:31.48 | magic_stone | what can i do |
| 20:31.49 | magic_stone | ? |
| 20:32.22 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: I don't know, it is not proposed by debian repositories, it might be available from another directory |
| 20:32.32 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: you can also create yourself a package |
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| 20:32.50 | markit | hi, I've tried to compile mISDN with debian sid 2.6.18 kernel, but does not find some files.. then I've tried with sidux kernel and headers, and went fine... is debian kernel/headers broken in some ways? |
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| 20:33.18 | magic_stone | Nazcafan that what i'm try to do for many time here ... but looks the etch have strange stuff to the firefox don`t run well heree |
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| 20:33.22 | magic_stone | the normal |
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| 20:33.48 | maddash | !loop |
| 20:33.48 | dpkg | loops are BAD! |
| 20:33.50 | Nazcafan | magic_stone: I don't know, then |
| 20:34.01 | magic_stone | i bealiver that is dificul trace bugs and hoe many codes are change more dificult and more risk we have to have more new bugs |
| 20:34.08 | maddash | what's module loop (found in /etc/modules) |
| 20:34.09 | maddash | ? |
| 20:34.23 | magic_stone | what i know is that i'm one single user catch in one war of 2 places |
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| 20:34.46 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! I wanna know where store sendmail yours email |
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| 20:35.13 | rahul | maddash: loopback FS. |
| 20:35.18 | abrotman | /var/mail/ .. but really wherever you tell it to |
| 20:35.26 | maddash | rahul, like mount -o loop? |
| 20:35.28 | rahul | maddash: allows you to use a file as a filesystem |
| 20:35.29 | rahul | yes |
| 20:35.37 | maddash | ah cool. thanks. |
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| 20:36.31 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: where it puts his .conf |
| 20:36.48 | rahul | Edwin_Quijada: /etc/mail |
| 20:36.59 | Edwin_Quijada | I have a problem with sendmail I need copy a few email from SO |
| 20:37.16 | rahul | copy as in CC header? |
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| 20:37.39 | Edwin_Quijada | what rahul? |
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| 20:38.00 | rahul | Edwin_Quijada: what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:39.08 | Zta | Ok, I'm following a NFSv4 trouble shooting wiki, and of course I end up with a new problem, that the one I was trying to fix in the first place. The docs suggests me to mount my nfs-export locally on the nfs server, and this fails. I do this: root@colossus:~# mount -t nfs4 colossus:/ f That exact same command works on my client, but on the server I get: mount: block device colossus:/ is write-protected, mounting read-only \n mount: |
| 20:39.15 | Edwin_Quijada | I need take all files from one accout |
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| 20:39.53 | jplibre | what is the proper way to remove a Physical Volume from a Volume Group without causing the VG to cease to exist? |
| 20:40.12 | jplibre | pvremove of the PV causes all kinds of problems but it seems to be the 'correct' way to do it |
| 20:40.32 | keith80403 | Will Etch have a "text mode" installer along with the new (and great looking) GUI installer? |
| 20:40.58 | blondie | keith80403: yes |
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| 20:41.00 | maxy | christiane: I think there isn't. Try 'meld', which shows you the diff graphically (it will highlight the comment sign). |
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| 20:41.38 | keith80403 | blondie, OK, glad we have a choice still. Thanks. |
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| 20:42.06 | blondie | keith80403: it wouldn't be installable without one on some machines |
| 20:42.28 | keith80403 | blondie, Exactly, good point. |
| 20:42.55 | rhsanborn | Thats nice, we got a new, pretty installer? |
| 20:43.02 | keith80403 | Also, will Torrents or Jigdo installs be available from "day one" when Etch is released? |
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| 20:43.40 | Guerin | keith80403: yes. |
| 20:43.49 | Guerin | keith80403: we call it `day zero' though. |
| 20:44.30 | mz_work | day zero sounds much more impressive than day 1 :) |
| 20:44.35 | keith80403 | Guerin, Heh - OK, appreciate the info. I'm not in a rush for Etch - but I did have these few questions.... |
| 20:44.58 | Guerin | we need an etch song |
| 20:45.00 | me_here | \821 |
| 20:45.06 | Edwin_Quijada | I need to get the email from account email in sendmail? |
| 20:45.08 | Guerin | i made up the sarge song, someone else do it |
| 20:45.13 | Edwin_Quijada | where can I find it? |
| 20:45.18 | blondie | Guerin: can you sing? |
| 20:45.23 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: your statement makes no sense |
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| 20:46.06 | Guerin | blondie: no, though when I lived in Asia people pretended I could. |
| 20:46.06 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 20:46.06 | Edwin_Quijada | I have a problem with one account email |
| 20:46.06 | Guerin | blondie: ā something like that. Get to work! |
| 20:46.14 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: you have a problem with explaining yourself clearly. |
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| 20:46.28 | Edwin_Quijada | so I need to see the email that has that account so I need to know where is store |
| 20:46.32 | geo-rge | how do I get to the setting of whether the hw clock is set to local time or utc? |
| 20:46.38 | Edwin_Quijada | the emails for that account |
| 20:46.49 | geo-rge | (it'anot tzconfig) |
| 20:46.56 | Guerin | geo-rge: hwclock |
| 20:47.18 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: please start again from the start. |
| 20:47.32 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: wtf is the email from account? |
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| 20:47.35 | geo-rge | Guerin: dpkg-reconfigure hwclock? |
| 20:47.40 | Guerin | which account is it from? |
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| 20:47.46 | sebas891 | hi, I'm having a little problem to install grub on a disc that has a raid1 setup. it runs sarge amd64 |
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| 20:47.54 | Guerin | geo-rge: nah, it's not debconferised, just run it. |
| 20:48.03 | sleek | if i have the following output from the first line of hexdump, "0000000 4221 4e44 46c9 ee8e 4d53 0017 0013 0101", how do i get "file" to recognize this file and report it accurately |
| 20:48.12 | sleek | anyone know? |
| 20:48.22 | Edwin_Quijada | yes |
| 20:48.23 | Guerin | sleek: does grub even work on raided disks? |
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| 20:48.37 | keith80403 | One more question and I'll shut up - any guess of the number of CD's Etch will be? Sarge was 14, I suppose Etch will be 2 or 3 more ? |
| 20:48.45 | Edwin_Quijada | Where is store that email? I that I need to know Guerin |
| 20:48.48 | geo-rge | no, doesn't show any setting... I need to change that setting, not see the time |
| 20:49.11 | sebas891 | Guerin: well, each disc has grub installed. so it works. |
| 20:49.35 | Guerin | sebas891: mm, ok. |
| 20:49.46 | Guerin | keith80403: 22, I think. |
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| 20:49.57 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: WHAT email? |
| 20:50.09 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: that's what you still haven't made clear. |
| 20:50.16 | keith80403 | Thank you Guerin. |
| 20:51.03 | jetscreamer | Guerin: you're married? |
| 20:51.09 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that |
| 20:51.41 | asg | jetscreamer: mrs. Guerin holds her booze better than you |
| 20:51.57 | Guerin | jetscreamer: asg probably isn't wrong. |
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| 20:52.11 | jetscreamer | i can hold a bottle, but not my booze |
| 20:52.11 | Guerin | though without an objective measure we'll never know. |
| 20:52.21 | jetscreamer | and nowadays i'm kinda ripped just on 2 beers |
| 20:52.24 | Guerin | jetscreamer: what brought this up? |
| 20:52.27 | christiane | How to hexdump an ascii line (WEP key) to hex? |
| 20:52.35 | jetscreamer | somebody said you were married the other day |
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| 20:52.58 | Guerin | yep, my highskool sweetheart |
| 20:53.29 | maxy | christiane: type 'hexdump', enter your line, press Ctrl-D? |
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| 20:55.21 | christiane | maxy: I need an --option that prevents hexdump from blocking the data. |
| 20:56.07 | maxy | echo "blah"|hexdump ? |
| 20:56.22 | geo-rge | Guerin (or anyone really :) : you know when the install asks you whether your clock is set to utc or local... where does it store that in the filesystem? |
| 20:56.57 | sebas891 | I'm trying to install grub using the d-i with the rescue mode doing chroot md0/ |
| 20:57.03 | asg | geo-rge: /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:57.13 | Guerin | geo-rge: unsure. |
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| 20:57.38 | geo-rge | asg: thanks :) |
| 20:58.02 | sebas891 | I can get there... but doing the grub-install... fails saying that my usr/ is not setup... |
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| 20:58.42 | sebas891 | my /usr/ (on the raid1) disc is on md3 which is not "seeing" from the chroot env. |
| 20:59.28 | sebas891 | Any idea, on how I could install grub on the disc ? |
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| 20:59.47 | Guerin | what I know about raid ain't worth knowing |
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| 21:00.06 | valdyn | sebas891: why are you trying to install grub to a software raid? |
| 21:00.23 | valdyn | sebas891: your bios knows nothing about it -> it cannot be loaded |
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| 21:00.55 | sebas891 | valdyn: I'm doing soft raid without the knownledge of the bios. |
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| 21:01.11 | valdyn | sebas891: well your bios has to load grub to boot your computer |
| 21:01.20 | jetscreamer | geo-rge: it's in /etc/local i believe |
| 21:01.31 | jetscreamer | err |
| 21:01.33 | jetscreamer | defaults |
| 21:01.52 | abrotman | geo-rge: /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | !lose jetscreamer |
| 21:01.56 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
| 21:01.58 | sebas891 | valdyn: yes, the bios is looking at the first disc to find a boot loader no? |
| 21:02.12 | valdyn | sebas891: yes |
| 21:02.58 | sebas891 | valdyn: my problem is how to install grub on the disc. |
| 21:03.13 | valdyn | sebas891: grub-install /dev/sda ( or whatever ) |
| 21:03.44 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah i only needed to know ONCE |
| 21:04.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i've never changed it :) |
| 21:04.15 | jetscreamer | me neither... i was just checking, iirc |
| 21:04.25 | asg | abrotman: I already told him, you lose |
| 21:04.57 | Edwin_Quijada | Guerin: I have a server with sendmail and ipop3D for emails I need to know where it store the email that it receives |
| 21:05.02 | Edwin_Quijada | into Linux |
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| 21:05.17 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: /var/spool/mail, by default |
| 21:05.34 | Edwin_Quijada | inwhich directory it saves the accounts |
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| 21:05.44 | sebas891 | valdyn: when I do this (grub-install /dev/sda/) I get ... Your /usr is broken, please fix it before call this wrapper! |
| 21:05.56 | Edwin_Quijada | there is nothing in that place |
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| 21:06.03 | Pc_Dark | !confmiss |
| 21:06.03 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 21:06.26 | sebas891 | valdyn: my usr is on md3 which is not seen in the chroot env... :( |
| 21:06.39 | valdyn | sebas891: so start your raid |
| 21:06.49 | valdyn | sebas891: in the chroot /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
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| 21:07.27 | Pc_Dark | i evven used confmiss, still didn't replace my config files |
| 21:07.45 | valdyn | sebas891: i dont know if this script requires /usr/ so you might have to start the raid from 'outside' if that doesn't work |
| 21:08.18 | bkw | Are there any special kernel for Dual Xeon 64bit cpu or is -686-smp the correct one? |
| 21:08.18 | sebas891 | valdyn: is it now going to mess up the raid already start from outside (d-i/rescue mode) ? |
| 21:08.26 | ole | Can I learn what type of RAM am I using from something at /proc ? |
| 21:08.26 | rhsanborn | Has anyone here used linux on a laptop to take notes, say in a college environment, and if so, did you use any software other than a text editor to organize it? |
| 21:08.33 | blondie | bkw: amd64? |
| 21:08.37 | Pc_Dark | I did apt-get -o dpkg::"--force-confmiss" --reinstall install phhpmyadmin |
| 21:08.37 | valdyn | sebas891: if its already started from outside you only miss the device node in /dev/ |
| 21:08.45 | Pc_Dark | and it won't replace the configs :( |
| 21:08.46 | _JusSx__ | rhsanborn: use emacs |
| 21:08.49 | valdyn | sebas891: ..which you can create or copy trivially.. |
| 21:08.49 | Pc_Dark | how do i fix this |
| 21:08.58 | bkw | blondie: Xeon is manufactured by intel. |
| 21:09.08 | blondie | bkw: I know it is |
| 21:09.14 | blondie | but it still uses the amd64 kernel |
| 21:09.28 | Pc_Dark | please help |
| 21:09.48 | Edwin_Quijada | I have strange problem with one client. He has 2003 server and linux server , debian but both cant live togheter |
| 21:09.51 | bkw | blondie: sure about that? I thought the amd64 kernel was for amd cpu only. |
| 21:10.04 | Edwin_Quijada | when I connect linux to network this down |
| 21:10.40 | Edwin_Quijada | if take off linux or 2003 the net is up |
| 21:10.40 | Edwin_Quijada | I tested with diffrent distro and is the same problem |
| 21:10.42 | sebas891 | valdyn: what do you mean it is missing the entry in the /dev ? you mean /dev/mdX ? |
| 21:10.58 | Edwin_Quijada | I check virus ... and nothing |
| 21:11.00 | sparr | takes an hour for me to copy 4GB from my SD card to my HD... 1MB/s, give or take. is that normal? |
| 21:11.34 | rahul | bkw: intel's cpus are amd-compatible |
| 21:11.37 | rahul | ;) |
| 21:12.18 | bkw | rahul: kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp would that be the kernel to run then? |
| 21:12.36 | stoned | why does amd play stupid number games |
| 21:12.38 | rahul | bkw: no, you'd probably want one for your cpu |
| 21:12.49 | stoned | what is the ghz of a athlong 3800 |
| 21:12.53 | stoned | its not 3.8ghz |
| 21:12.55 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody has any cluees? |
| 21:12.56 | Guerin | stoned: because that's what teh market wants |
| 21:13.04 | stoned | amd sucks balls |
| 21:13.12 | stoned | can't they just come and and be simple with the numbers |
| 21:13.19 | bkw | rahul: its a dual xeon 64bit. someone said the amd64 kernel is the correct. |
| 21:13.26 | stoned | yeah, athlon 3400 runs at 3.4ghz etc etc. |
| 21:13.27 | wakejagr | Pc_Dark: is apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin ; apt-get install phpmyadmin what you are looking for? if you want to go back to the original installation (lose *all* changes you have made to any configuration), i think that should do it. |
| 21:13.29 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: solution: kill windows 2003 |
| 21:13.29 | rahul | bkw: yes, but probably not a k8 one |
| 21:13.31 | stoned | but no |
| 21:13.45 | Pc_Dark | it works ;) |
| 21:13.47 | stoned | they have to be like, oh athlong 3800 runs at 2.482374 ghz |
| 21:13.48 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 21:13.49 | Edwin_Quijada | Guerin: I try but I cant |
| 21:13.52 | stoned | wtf kinda sense does that make |
| 21:13.57 | stoned | amd sucks and I hate em |
| 21:14.01 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:14.02 | rahul | stoned: it's intel's fault |
| 21:14.03 | Edwin_Quijada | this is more strange thin That I happens |
| 21:14.21 | bkw | rahul: there's a generic one, but that doesn't mention -smp |
| 21:14.24 | rahul | stoned: the whole point of netburst was to play number games |
| 21:14.30 | Guerin | stoned: why hate a company for their marketing? |
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| 21:14.46 | rahul | bkw: hmm... you probably need to compile your own |
| 21:14.53 | stoned | Guerin, I would buy from gieco JUST based on the little lizard |
| 21:15.04 | stoned | I like their commercial, I'll buy from em |
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| 21:15.11 | stoned | thats how you become a true consumer |
| 21:15.12 | stoned | :) |
| 21:15.16 | rahul | loser |
| 21:15.23 | Guerin | stoned: congratulations, your a marketroid's wet dream. Baaaah. |
| 21:15.32 | Guerin | you'RE |
| 21:15.40 | Guerin | argh, it's contagious! |
| 21:15.41 | stoned | of course I'm being really really serious right now |
| 21:15.42 | stoned | I hope ya know |
| 21:15.49 | stoned | :) |
| 21:16.07 | rahul | yes, we know you're stoned |
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| 21:16.38 | Pc_Dark | how do i see my local IP |
| 21:16.47 | bkw | rahul: do you think kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic with smp support compiled would improve performance alot compared to without -smp. (the host will be a web and ftp server). |
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| 21:16.51 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: ifconfig |
| 21:16.55 | stoned | ifconfig |
| 21:16.58 | stoned | doh |
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| 21:17.14 | Pc_Dark | unkown command |
| 21:17.17 | rahul | bkw: SMP vs. non-SMP? are you actually asking that quesiton? |
| 21:17.19 | stoned | use as root |
| 21:17.22 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 21:17.25 | Rapp | i am using debian stable and tried installing exim4. my server came with sendmail preinstalled. apt removed sendmail and installed exim. after configuration, when i do a "telnet myhost smtp" i get the error: exim abandoned: unknown, malformed, or incomplete option -Am. where does this come from? |
| 21:17.30 | stoned | sudo ifconfig |
| 21:17.35 | Pc_Dark | ah ok |
| 21:17.40 | stoned | or su -c "ifconfig" |
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| 21:18.49 | Guerin | stoned: wtf? |
| 21:18.51 | Guerin | why? |
| 21:18.54 | bonez39 | anyone know how to get amd 64 sarge working with marvel chipset NIC? |
| 21:19.05 | stoned | Guerin, why what> |
| 21:19.09 | Guerin | bonez39: modprobe superman |
| 21:19.14 | Guerin | stoned: why su -c ? |
| 21:19.26 | stoned | dunno, he needs to run ifconfig as root |
| 21:19.31 | stoned | either sudo, or su, or su c |
| 21:19.33 | yungknight | i read the article at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/354 in an attempt to get dreamweaver working with my box. there is mention of UsePAM... how do I enable UsePAM? |
| 21:19.35 | Guerin | stoned: no |
| 21:19.38 | stoned | Guerin, why not? |
| 21:19.41 | Guerin | call /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:19.45 | stoned | or that |
| 21:19.47 | Guerin | stoned: because he doesn't |
| 21:19.48 | stoned | but why? |
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| 21:19.55 | Guerin | stoned: because. |
| 21:19.56 | stoned | he doesn't what |
| 21:20.02 | rahul | stoned: that command will not work, anyway |
| 21:20.04 | Doug_ | How much different is Knoppix from Debian? |
| 21:20.05 | stoned | complete sentences for fucks sake |
| 21:20.18 | Guerin | Doug_: |<------this much------>| |
| 21:20.19 | stoned | rahul, why not? |
| 21:20.25 | stoned | rahul, have you tried it? |
| 21:20.32 | Guerin | stoned: your `complete' sentence no verb |
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| 21:20.39 | rahul | stoned: or is -c the same as - ? |
| 21:20.47 | stoned | ? |
| 21:20.54 | Guerin | !confuse stoned |
| 21:20.54 | dpkg | No, who is your snake yesterday, stoned? lederhosen of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
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| 21:21.07 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows a software to edit partition table? |
| 21:21.27 | stoned | cfdisk |
| 21:21.27 | stoned | fdisk |
| 21:21.27 | geo-rge | _Brandon_: fdisk |
| 21:21.27 | Guerin | !tell _Brandon_ about search |
| 21:21.44 | _Brandon_ | ok mi question was wrong :PP |
| 21:21.47 | _Brandon_ | my |
| 21:21.49 | Pc_Dark | Host 192.168.1.1 is not aloud to connec to the server |
| 21:22.02 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: turn the volume up |
| 21:22.03 | Pc_Dark | How do I allow my mySQLD accept connections from all users and IP's |
| 21:22.03 | _Brandon_ | my partition table it's screwed |
| 21:22.13 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: configure it properly. |
| 21:22.17 | _Brandon_ | gpart doesn't recognise all partition properly |
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| 21:22.18 | Guerin | _Brandon_: unscrew it |
| 21:22.23 | Pc_Dark | I removed the bind-ip |
| 21:22.26 | geo-rge | _Brandon_: if you're asking that question, it could be you're unfamiliar with partitions... make SURE you understand things correctly. I strongly suggest you back up your partition table before changing it |
| 21:22.28 | Pc_Dark | bind-address :S |
| 21:22.32 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: why? |
| 21:22.40 | Pc_Dark | Because I want it to accept ALL connections |
| 21:22.45 | Pc_Dark | Please explaoin what i need to edit |
| 21:22.52 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: why would changing the bind address achieve that? |
| 21:22.57 | Pc_Dark | I don't know |
| 21:22.59 | Pc_Dark | I'm new to thi |
| 21:23.00 | Pc_Dark | this |
| 21:23.01 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: you need to read the documentation. |
| 21:23.03 | Pc_Dark | I just need to set it up |
| 21:23.12 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: if yiou're new, why are you trying to unsecure your computer? |
| 21:23.20 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: go forth and read. |
| 21:23.31 | wireddd_ | I am doing something wrong with openvpn, but I can't figure out what. I have the server and client setup with the a static key, and they seem to connect to eachother, but I can't ping accross the vpn link |
| 21:23.37 | geo-rge | forth go read and |
| 21:23.50 | Pc_Dark | ;/ |
| 21:23.59 | _Brandon_ | geo-rge: i'm trying to recovery my partition table, but gpart detect only the boot and root filesystem and not the ntfs one |
| 21:24.02 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 21:24.03 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
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| 21:24.13 | blondie | !be a shopping barbie |
| 21:24.13 | dpkg | Aww, shopping is HARD! Let's go shopping, blondie |
| 21:24.16 | blondie | ... |
| 21:24.38 | jelly-home | blondie: she doesn't have exceptions! |
| 21:24.49 | cydork | that's all barbie likes to do :P |
| 21:24.50 | blondie | !be a barbie barbie |
| 21:24.50 | dpkg | Aww, barbie is HARD! Let's go shopping, blondie |
| 21:24.58 | jetscreamer | !be a manmeat barbie |
| 21:24.59 | dpkg | Aww, manmeat is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
| 21:25.05 | Guerin | fuck off |
| 21:25.09 | Guerin | eejits |
| 21:25.15 | geo-rge | someone just had to go there :P |
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| 21:25.40 | wireddd_ | I was trying to follow this how-to, because I don't have time to read through all of the docs: http://deb.riseup.net/networking/openvpn/ |
| 21:26.01 | wireddd_ | but it doesn't seem to wrok |
| 21:26.05 | wireddd_ | work |
| 21:26.24 | geo-rge | wireddd_: and so now you want to find someone who does have the time to read that? |
| 21:26.37 | geo-rge | goooooooooooooooood luck with that :) |
| 21:26.39 | jetscreamer | s/does\ have/had/ |
| 21:26.51 | wireddd_ | exactly |
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| 21:27.01 | Pc_Dark | can you set bind-address to a hostname |
| 21:27.03 | Pc_Dark | like eagle.o-ss.net |
| 21:27.17 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: pointless |
| 21:27.26 | Pc_Dark | why is it pointless? |
| 21:27.32 | Pc_Dark | What if you're using a *.no-ip.org |
| 21:27.39 | Pc_Dark | and have a dynamic IP |
| 21:27.43 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: a name is functionally equivalent to an ip address |
| 21:27.51 | jelly-home | Pc_Dark: you'll have to restart it anyway when it changes. |
| 21:27.51 | Pc_Dark | But, if my IP address changes |
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| 21:28.04 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: then you shouldn't be running a public, or semi-public sql server |
| 21:28.12 | Pc_Dark | mm. |
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| 21:30.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: /dev/b0rked ? |
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| 21:32.14 | obstfliege | gn8 |
| 21:32.32 | moshii | Is there any worth in having a PCI crypto card? There's one here but I don't know if it's worth shutting the machine down for :P |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | only if you're doing a lot of crypto |
| 21:32.53 | Guerin | a LOT |
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| 21:33.05 | raf256 | huh |
| 21:33.14 | raf256 | it is a PCI with CPU dedicated to crypting O_o ? |
| 21:33.23 | moshii | it looks like a dsp |
| 21:33.30 | Guerin | raf256: just with some routines built into hardware |
| 21:33.31 | raf256 | I thought CPUs are fast enought anyway compared to harddrive speed |
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| 21:33.41 | yungknight | so has anyone ever had anything to do with this UsePAM (what i call white elephant) |
| 21:33.51 | moshii | but can it be used for generall openssl etc stuff if it's supported? |
| 21:33.52 | Guerin | raf256: perhaps not if they're under heavy load already |
| 21:33.57 | raf256 | hmm yeah |
| 21:33.58 | blondie | raf256: what does harddrive speed have to do with that? |
| 21:34.14 | raf256 | blondie: crypto often is for crpting harddrive data isnt it |
| 21:34.25 | blondie | I see |
| 21:34.26 | Guerin | moshii: i think it depends on the card. Mostly they're used for total disk encryption and such |
| 21:34.27 | jelly-home | one might be doing heavy networking, Mbps or Gbps of SSL for example |
| 21:34.51 | blondie | I would have thought it was more cpu intensive than disk intensive, shrug |
| 21:35.02 | Guerin | yeh, a few gig-e pipes with encrypted data in and out could warrant it I guess |
| 21:35.19 | moshii | Guerin: hmm might got dig it out, from what I've seen they're mostly used with apache for SSL but I thought it might be good for my vpn |
| 21:36.04 | jelly-home | moshii: how does it work anyway, does it have support in OpenSSL or...? |
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| 21:36.29 | moshii | jelly-home: haven't tried it yet, the board is just a pci board with a ad brand dsp on it |
| 21:36.54 | Guerin | jelly-home: usually they just have a particular crypto algorithm done in hardware - like AES or somesuch |
| 21:36.57 | moshii | jelly-home: I presume it has hardware crypto routines on it |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | raf256: it's like an nvidia card for graphics .. but another CPU for encrypting |
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| 21:37.42 | Guerin | would seem sanest to build in the most cpu-intensive algorithms |
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| 21:39.24 | rahul | Guerin: into the CPU? |
| 21:39.28 | toucan | how can i get the default apache.conf used with sarge? |
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| 21:40.04 | Guerin | rahul: like the old mpeg decoder boards you used to buy for 486en so you could play media on them |
| 21:40.13 | sebas891 | valdyn: thank you, it worked, I created de device /dev/mdX and sdX, mounted the /usr from md3 within the chroot. |
| 21:40.14 | Bogus8 | enouf: hola ;) |
| 21:40.20 | Guerin | toucan: install apache on sarge |
| 21:40.30 | jelly-home | When i change ~/.gtkrc-2.0, how do I force the update to apply to running apps? |
| 21:40.41 | Guerin | jelly-home: i don't think you do |
| 21:40.43 | rahul | Guerin: oh, addon boards, yeah |
| 21:40.55 | rahul | Guerin: there is one that has something like 100 DSPs |
| 21:40.57 | sebas891 | valdyn: and then grub-install /dev/sda . worked well! thx |
| 21:41.00 | wireddd_ | ok it works now |
| 21:41.03 | Guerin | jelly-home: but #gnome on irc.gnome.org might know |
| 21:41.08 | jelly-home | Guerin: I know gnome and kde's control panels can do it |
| 21:41.11 | enouf | Bogus8: good .. now, if you're familiar with GNU/Linux .. use expertgui at boot prompt for installation :-) |
| 21:41.15 | Guerin | mm |
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| 21:41.36 | geo-rge | jelly-home: can't use the control panels? |
| 21:41.38 | Bogus8 | enouf: even when I'm not that familar I usually use expert mode on things... makes you question and learn more |
| 21:41.51 | Bogus8 | and understand more |
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| 21:42.05 | geo-rge | Bogus8: and risk more too :) |
| 21:42.19 | wireddd_ | risk is what makes it fun |
| 21:42.24 | jelly-home | geo-rge: I'm not running either, and am making custom changes. |
| 21:42.25 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: if you don't break it then you can't fix it and learn even more ;) |
| 21:42.31 | geo-rge | would you use the expert mode of a surgery robot? |
| 21:42.31 | enouf | cool .. now go get your ARCH (i386 likely) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:42.48 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: well, we are talking about a computer not a life ;) |
| 21:43.01 | geo-rge | "move right... NONONO! YOUR OTHER RIGHT!" |
| 21:43.04 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: half the point is to learn more |
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| 21:43.23 | enouf | Bogus8: /msg dpkg laptop .. (hadn't caught that part earlier in othe channel) |
| 21:44.10 | Bogus8 | enouf: cool, thanks |
| 21:44.30 | jelly-home | Guerin: ah, there's #gtk+ on that there irc server |
| 21:45.05 | geo-rge | would you use the expert mode of a nuculear warhead? |
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| 21:45.30 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: are you just out to prove something? I think I have already covered that ;) |
| 21:45.45 | moshii | mmm this card seems to only do DES and RSA |
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| 21:46.52 | geo-rge | Bogus8: yes. that expert mode is not for everyone (that's why it's modal) |
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| 21:47.12 | rahul | moshii: AES cards are quite recent |
| 21:47.27 | Nazcafan | has anyone got a muse 5.1 DVD actualy render 5.1 sound instead of 4.0 ? |
| 21:47.29 | rahul | moshii: but I think IBM's new version of their mainframe crypto accelerator has it |
| 21:47.55 | rahul | moshii: and I think VIA's CPUs have it |
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| 21:48.14 | moshii | rahul: but are they free :P |
| 21:48.22 | enouf | Bogus8: /msg dpkg d-i and read .. that's all I can say .. then seeek out others who've installed on a 600mhz lappy from those URLs dpkg gave you |
| 21:48.29 | rahul | if you steal them, they are heh |
| 21:48.42 | enouf | Bogus8: er sty .. /msg dpkg i-g |
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| 21:49.02 | enouf | er .. s/sty/sry |
| 21:49.32 | geo-rge | whether you get the chip for no money or not, there will be a cost associated with running an operating system on it... namely the cost of adminning it |
| 21:49.40 | enouf | !ig |
| 21:49.40 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 21:49.41 | moshii | rahul: this one seems to have a hw rnd too, so might have some worth after all |
| 21:49.49 | enouf | stupid bot |
| 21:51.19 | enouf | !be a enouf's woody barbie |
| 21:51.19 | dpkg | Aww, enouf's woody is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 21:51.58 | rahul | heh. |
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| 21:52.00 | Guerin | enouf: you lose. |
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| 21:52.13 | rahul | dpkg: you tease |
| 21:52.47 | wireddd_ | christiane, thanks, I got openvpn working |
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| 21:54.06 | christiane | wireddd: np |
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| 22:13.02 | Bogus8 | enouf: thanks for those links... it had some interesting info on making my video card work better on this mitac! |
| 22:14.11 | enouf | Bogus8: cool :-) |
| 22:14.34 | Bogus8 | hey enouf that link you gave me was for the "testing" release... that's what you recommend? |
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| 22:15.21 | enouf | Bogus8: well .. yeah, just cause I use it no issues.. |
| 22:15.26 | weggpod | domino stop thes spam |
| 22:15.39 | Bogus8 | enouf: sounds good enough for me ;) |
| 22:15.50 | weggpod | please can you bann this bot that send a linkl of porno |
| 22:15.58 | weggpod | DomiNo, |
| 22:16.26 | enouf | !ops weggpod complains of porno spam from DomiNo |
| 22:16.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: enouf complains about: weggpod complains of porno spam from DomiNo |
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| 22:16.43 | weggpod | thanks |
| 22:17.08 | weggpod | he is on #redhat channel too |
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| 22:17.40 | RvGaTe | Is there a good alternative/replacement on linux for Microsoft Visio? |
| 22:18.07 | weggpod | RvGaTe, Dia |
| 22:18.08 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: nope |
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| 22:20.19 | perlmonk | I pretty much like dia... but I'm just not sure what visio really do, I know it does UML... but what is does more... ? |
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| 22:21.21 | cwheeler | what's a good kernel timer frequency for an 800 hz P3 in a workstation? |
| 22:21.53 | abrotman | 42 |
| 22:22.17 | dondelelcaro | six by nine! |
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| 22:23.34 | mentor | cwheeler: 800Hz? |
| 22:23.49 | enouf | 250 for my pII |
| 22:23.57 | jelly-home | How many roads must a man walk on? |
| 22:24.03 | mentor | kernel timer? |
| 22:24.08 | mentor | tsc? pmtmr? rtc? |
| 22:24.13 | Caitriona | jelly-home: 42 |
| 22:24.16 | rahul | how long is a piece of string? |
| 22:24.19 | Caitriona | 42 |
| 22:24.21 | Caitriona | :P |
| 22:24.25 | cwheeler | yes oops 800 mhz |
| 22:24.26 | Guerin | cwheeler: WIDHE |
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| 22:24.30 | jelly-home | Caitriona: nope, blowing in the wind |
| 22:24.37 | Caitriona | The answer to everything is 42, and that's my final answer :P |
| 22:24.44 | mentor | rahul: mine is 30cm |
| 22:24.56 | Guerin | mentor: everyone SAYS that... |
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| 22:25.00 | perlmonk | I don't remember having had to configure such a thing as kernel timer freq... What's your case ? |
| 22:25.05 | mentor | OK, I was lying |
| 22:25.06 | mystic_flame | Someone knows some distribution that works fie whith 64 bits and let`s install firefox ussually like the beta 3 whithout have problrems |
| 22:25.12 | Guerin | he's trying to soup his computer up |
| 22:25.12 | mentor | It's only 29cm |
| 22:25.20 | mystic_flame | is unbealiver i need to change distro because of this |
| 22:25.20 | Guerin | like a kid with a honda civic |
| 22:25.27 | mystic_flame | but i don`t have more pacience |
| 22:25.33 | Guerin | mentor: there, there. |
| 22:25.33 | enouf | put some hubcaps on it |
| 22:25.40 | mystic_flame | to try to install one single distro whith firefox |
| 22:25.49 | mystic_flame | 64 bits |
| 22:25.50 | Guerin | mystic_flame: wtf? |
| 22:25.53 | mentor | Turn on DMA on your hard drives. |
| 22:25.56 | mystic_flame | wtf i say |
| 22:26.03 | Guerin | mystic_flame: install it in a 32-bit chroot? |
| 22:26.12 | mystic_flame | let“s me see suse i“m banned ... gentoo .... |
| 22:26.19 | jelly-home | mystic_flame: You're almost incomprehensible. |
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| 22:26.43 | mystic_flame | jelly-hom right .... bla bla bla |
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| 22:27.04 | Guerin | the festive spirit is strong in this one |
| 22:27.07 | perlmonk | I still am wondering why firefox would be better in 64 bits... that's funny those people that want to rush on 64 bits... where actually not so much apps are ready for this... |
| 22:27.15 | mentor | The line noise is strong in that one |
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| 22:27.29 | mentor | x86-64 is good because it has more registers |
| 22:28.01 | RvGaTe | Everytime i press a button called: "Create Table" within the MySQL Query browser, or the MySQL Administrator, the app crashes/exits... anyone else experiencing this? |
| 22:28.04 | mentor | maybe I mean AMD64 |
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| 22:28.14 | rahul | mentor: same thing |
| 22:28.15 | jjazz | perlmonk: 64 bit Firefox lets you experience the web in high definition, assuming your videocard can handle it. |
| 22:28.21 | perlmonk | Wow, impressive, more registers.... ever been coding in asm ? having more or less registers doesn't mean the CPU is better |
| 22:28.23 | Guerin | jjazz: wtf? |
| 22:28.29 | rahul | x86_64 is the vendor-neutral term |
| 22:28.36 | jjazz | Guerin: It's a joke. Just laugh. |
| 22:28.39 | rahul | perlmonk: actually, it does |
| 22:28.42 | cydork | RvGaTe: type it damn it :P |
| 22:28.45 | perlmonk | jjazz, hehe, cool, I'll still have to deal with jpeg porn :P |
| 22:28.56 | Guerin | jjazz: sometime in here, that would be someone serious. |
| 22:29.01 | rahul | perlmonk: it means it can more easily exploit ILP, because it can more easily detect it |
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| 22:29.07 | RvGaTe | cydork, its not that i cant work anymore, the program should work |
| 22:29.23 | mentor | perlmonk: er. More registers means that the pipeline, cache, memory usage is better, because the compiler can has more registers to use and schedule calculations for. |
| 22:29.25 | mystic_flame | it is unbealiveble i“m here for 3 says and dont do nathing more only to try to install the fiefox and debian |
| 22:29.36 | mentor | perlmonk: standard x86 is chronically short of GP registers |
| 22:29.36 | mystic_flame | more then 24 hous |
| 22:29.44 | mystic_flame | neiter make my only compilation and nathing |
| 22:29.51 | jelly-home | perlmonk: still, having a handful of registers was always an issue with ia32 |
| 22:29.57 | mentor | mystic_flame: Do you have an actual, specific Debian question? |
| 22:29.57 | mystic_flame | give up |
| 22:30.12 | jjazz | Guerin: Too true. Just tell them high-def web requires DRI and to come back when they have that working. |
| 22:30.28 | perlmonk | ok, for GP registers |
| 22:30.41 | mystic_flame | mento i“m asking for 3 days |
| 22:30.45 | mystic_flame | i give up |
| 22:30.47 | Guerin | jjazz: or better yet, that they have to build libgullible from source |
| 22:30.53 | mentor | perlmonk: It's a similar thing when you run out of swap/memory. The resource starts thrashing, most of the time is spend swapping pages in and out... |
| 22:30.54 | Guerin | mentor: please do. |
| 22:30.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:30.58 | Guerin | mystic_flame: please do. |
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| 22:31.13 | Guerin | mystic_flame: recommend you install the 32-bit flavour. 64-bit isn't a toy. |
| 22:31.16 | mystic_flame | neither google or nathing |
| 22:31.21 | mystic_flame | give up leave |
| 22:31.26 | mystic_flame | no pacience sorry |
| 22:31.37 | mentor | mystic_flame: Either ask a specific question and stop whining or leave... |
| 22:31.44 | mystic_flame | try to do something else to not lose manny time |
| 22:31.49 | jjazz | Guerin: But if they google hard enough and can read cyrillic, they might find a russian repo that contains libgullible |
| 22:31.50 | perlmonk | mystic_flame, compile from source if you are so anxious about it |
| 22:32.02 | mystic_flame | forget leave it is ok |
| 22:32.05 | mystic_flame | i give up |
| 22:32.05 | mentor | perlmonk: I think. ish |
| 22:32.21 | Guerin | jjazz: heh |
| 22:32.32 | marc | http://www.shoutfile.com/fullscreen/gSfSsCpR |
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| 22:33.05 | jelly-home | mystic_flame: try asking somewhere where people speak your native language |
| 22:33.32 | mystic_flame | is allways easy talk about the language native when we want to catch excuses |
| 22:33.32 | perlmonk | lol |
| 22:33.46 | mystic_flame | to makes us fell bether and out the realaty |
| 22:34.04 | Guerin | haha |
| 22:34.09 | mentor | mystic_flame: If you are having trouble communicating, speaking to someone in your native language may help. |
| 22:34.37 | perlmonk | marc, wtf was this link ? |
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| 22:35.00 | marc | "Why people believe Americans are stupid" |
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| 22:35.09 | mystic_flame | mentor what part you don`t understand when i say i“m try to install debian amd64 bits and firefox 2.0 NOT THE IEWEASEL |
| 22:35.14 | mystic_flame | for 3 days |
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| 22:35.18 | mystic_flame | debian etcho |
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| 22:35.30 | Guerin | marc: blank for me, which implies there are no reasons ... which is clearly false. |
| 22:35.56 | marc | http://www.shoutfile.com/v/gSfSsCpR/Why_People_Believe_Americans_Are_Stupid |
| 22:35.58 | mentor | marc: Thanks for sharing, but this isn't really the forum for that sort of thing. |
| 22:35.59 | marc | try that ;o |
| 22:36.06 | marc | mentor: understood. |
| 22:36.18 | Guerin | ah yes |
| 22:36.30 | mentor | effing flash. |
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| 22:36.50 | Guerin | people believe americans are stupid because they use fucking flash pages in a freew software channel |
| 22:36.57 | Guerin | makes sense to me |
| 22:36.59 | mentor | heh |
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| 22:37.20 | perlmonk | marc, That's what happens when you code all your shit in javascript |
| 22:37.44 | marc | oh, i'm sorry - would you like me to rip, re-encode and host that video for you're viewing pleasure? |
| 22:37.51 | marc | your* |
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| 22:38.05 | Guerin | haha |
| 22:38.22 | RvGaTe | soo... anyone knows why my MySQL administrator and query browser is crashing? |
| 22:38.25 | perlmonk | marc, no, go to #humoristical paste your damn link, it's not the right place here |
| 22:38.28 | Guerin | RvGaTe: BTS |
| 22:38.41 | RvGaTe | Guerin, sorry, i have no idea what that means |
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| 22:38.46 | Guerin | !bts |
| 22:38.46 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:39.53 | Nazcafan | mhhh, I am having problems using a camera ixus 500, I t states I can not detect the device |
| 22:40.16 | marc | perlmonk: already pasted, given time moves in a bi-directional fashion, perhaps you ought to employ the use of a regex to strip any further urls from the channel and thus you avoid the need to complain when other users make a similar fo'par? |
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| 22:40.40 | Guerin | fo'par? |
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| 22:40.44 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:40.45 | mentor | RvGaTe: No, sorry. Try getting debugging symbols and generating a dump, backtrace or loading it in gdb. |
| 22:40.48 | Guerin | fo'shizzle. |
| 22:40.50 | rahul | marc: what are you smoking? |
| 22:40.56 | rahul | Guerin: exactly |
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| 22:41.27 | mentor | marc: Sure, if you're offering. |
| 22:41.37 | marc | perlmonk: also, I suspect channel advertising is also prohibited, so please refrain from chastising me with the hypocritical stick. |
| 22:41.58 | rahul | uh... |
| 22:42.07 | rahul | marc: you're going off the deep end now |
| 22:42.11 | Guerin | !pal marc |
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| 22:42.24 | rahul | oh wait, he already did |
| 22:42.41 | jelly-home | What day of the week is today? Just checking... |
| 22:42.46 | rahul | heh |
| 22:42.47 | Guerin | jelly-home: *day |
| 22:42.52 | Guerin | !permasunday |
| 22:42.52 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 22:42.54 | plundra | Is there any magic happening with nic handling etc. at boot? Anything that would rearange the order of my eth*'s etc? |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | udev magic! |
| 22:43.08 | mentor | plundra: udev |
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| 22:43.25 | Guerin | plundra: if they're different chipsets, the order modules are loaded controls which is which. If thery're the same chipset, irq is the determinant. |
| 22:43.47 | mentor | If udev is involved, it will try to create a persistent name for each interface. |
| 22:43.50 | plundra | It's a new dualport card, and the old nic ended up in between :P |
| 22:43.55 | Guerin | homefully my wifi card arrives today |
| 22:44.00 | Guerin | plundra: wtf |
| 22:44.06 | plundra | Guerin: That's what I said :D |
| 22:44.06 | perlmonk | marc, Links are allowed here for stuff about DEBIAN or pastebins about someone having an issue with DEBIAN. I don't advertise, and if you refer to my nick, know that I am not part in ANY way (out of membership) of perlmonks.* and that anyway, it's a nick, not a wasting time link having NOTHING to do with debian. |
| 22:44.08 | rahul | insane |
| 22:44.48 | plundra | mentor: But mkay, will check if there is something with udev I can poke at. |
| 22:44.48 | dkr | when I upgraded kernel a long time ago, eth0 and eth1 swapped places on my firewall. that was annoying. :) |
| 22:44.48 | perlmonk | So please leave me alone and let your "humoristical" links leave in #humor if such a chan exists |
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| 22:44.56 | _william_ | hi all |
| 22:44.56 | Guerin | plundra: i'd be inclined to try to circumvent the whole thing by putting the modules into /etc/modules |
| 22:45.19 | mentor | marc, perlmonk: OK, that's fine for now. Yo ucan continue this in private if you want. |
| 22:45.20 | plundra | Guerin: Using a customkernel without any modules for the nics |
| 22:45.26 | Guerin | plundra: aargh. |
| 22:45.37 | abrotman | mentor: maybe they should take it to #humoristical or whatever it is :) |
| 22:45.50 | perlmonk | hehehe |
| 22:45.55 | mentor | abrotman: Maybe you should make a flash movie about that. |
| 22:46.08 | perlmonk | I'm not even sure humoristical is a correct word :P |
| 22:46.16 | mentor | "funny" |
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| 22:46.25 | marc | oh god do shut up perlmonk |
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| 22:46.36 | perlmonk | well, "funny" would be an other word wouldn't it ? |
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| 22:46.46 | dkr | perlmonk is god? that explains why perl is so enlightened |
| 22:46.48 | cr3 | how can I determine the longest line in a flat text file? |
| 22:46.51 | abrotman | astronaute: no .. it's not released yet |
| 22:46.59 | mentor | dkr: Don't feed them... |
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| 22:47.12 | abrotman | cr3: man wc |
| 22:47.26 | cr3 | abrotman: cheers! |
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| 22:48.01 | plundra | Is it safe removing .rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 22:48.02 | dkr | cr3: perl -e'$l=length;$longest=$l if $l>$longest}{print $longest' |
| 22:48.08 | dkr | I guess I need to man wc, also. :) |
| 22:48.13 | plundra | They should be created again upon boot if they are missing, right? |
| 22:48.19 | mentor | plundra: no? |
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| 22:48.31 | mentor | plundra: Stick them in a temporary dir somewhere... |
| 22:48.32 | dkr | er, I meant perl -ne'$l=length;$longest=$l if $l>$longest}{print $longest' file |
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| 22:48.39 | jonathan__ | hello |
| 22:48.52 | plundra | mentor: No fun in that now is it ;] heh |
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| 22:49.56 | jonathan__ | does anyone know a good resource for installing and configuring fglrx? Flavio's page looks kind of old and I've been having problems |
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| 22:50.20 | ilyak | Where do I see configuration for automounter? |
| 22:50.32 | ilyak | It mounts external drives with wrong codepage |
| 22:50.32 | jonathan__ | and the man pages for fglrx are so long... i'm a baby |
| 22:51.04 | ilyak | (they didn't care about encodings one more time, god killed one kitten more) |
| 22:51.19 | cr3 | dkr: I like perl too, but wc -L is nice too :) |
| 22:51.47 | plundra | mentor: Ah, just editing it made more sense... :P (The file said it was fine to do so :]) |
| 22:52.01 | plundra | Anyways, yay :P |
| 22:52.02 | dkr | cr3: yeah, I just learned it myself. :) |
| 22:52.26 | cr3 | dkr: I knew it existed at some point, but I had totally forgotten about it. I hate it when that happens :( |
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| 22:55.47 | rabe | hi |
| 22:56.09 | rabe | i cant mout my 2nd hdd with ntfs |
| 22:56.21 | Guerin | rabe: why not? |
| 22:56.28 | rabe | it sais special devie does not exist |
| 22:56.37 | rabe | if i try mount |
| 22:56.53 | Guerin | rabe: more detail |
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| 22:57.36 | rabe | i have a 2nd hdd |
| 22:57.43 | rabe | with ntfs data system |
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| 22:58.22 | Guerin | rabe: what specific mount line are you using? |
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| 22:58.25 | rabe | if i try to mount it, it sais "special device does not exist" |
| 22:58.29 | Guerin | ffs |
| 22:59.02 | Bogus8 | Guerin: what? that's not enough info for you ;) |
| 22:59.04 | Marupa | Anyone here ever run Linux under VMware? |
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| 22:59.16 | Guerin | Marupa: never! Impossible! |
| 22:59.18 | ejot | errr... somethings awry with aptitude... for some reason unknown to me it asks me to insert one of the distro cds? afaik i havent changed any setting? |
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| 22:59.21 | Guerin | Marupa: and stupid to boot! |
| 22:59.31 | rabe | Guerin, sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt/daten |
| 22:59.34 | ejot | marupa: yes |
| 22:59.38 | Nazcafan | I can't get libgphoto to recognize any usb camera |
| 22:59.48 | Guerin | rabe: are you using ubuntu? |
| 22:59.50 | Marupa | trying to get xorg to run, but it complains about not having a screen. |
| 22:59.54 | rabe | no |
| 23:00.13 | rabe | i have also ubuntu installed but on another partition |
| 23:00.14 | Nazcafan | dmesg shows that the usb device is recognice |
| 23:00.17 | Nazcafan | recognized |
| 23:00.18 | deny[all] | hi, i'm trying to install eatch from a dvd and i got this error "cdrom_pc_intr: the drive appears confiused", any ideas? |
| 23:00.19 | Guerin | rabe: well, i'd probably blame udev or something. |
| 23:00.28 | Nazcafan | however, lsusb won't show anything |
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| 23:00.41 | Guerin | Nazcafan: what camera? |
| 23:00.43 | jjazz | ejot: Do you still have a CD line in your sources list |
| 23:00.47 | streuner | deny[all]: try another DVD |
| 23:00.55 | rabe | Guerin, what do u mean? udev? is my device out of order |
| 23:01.02 | deny[all] | streuner: drive or disc? |
| 23:01.02 | streuner | !nickometer deny[all] |
| 23:01.03 | dpkg | 'deny[all]' is 10.000% lame, streuner |
| 23:01.11 | streuner | disc |
| 23:01.13 | Nazcafan | Guerin: I've tried 2 cameras to no avail : canon Powershot A75, and Axus 500 |
| 23:01.28 | Sintas | how does one remove the nvida driver, from nvida, from one's system? |
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| 23:01.36 | Draconicus | Howdy. I seem to be having some cron troubles. |
| 23:01.36 | jonathan__ | Nazcafan: are you a member of 'camera'? |
| 23:01.37 | Guerin | Nazcafan: the former definitely does work on gphoto2 dating back at least as far as sarge |
| 23:01.43 | abrotman | Sintas: did you use the debian method of installation ? |
| 23:01.43 | deny[all] | streuner: grate idea!! ar u a geek?? or just a lame? |
| 23:01.46 | Draconicus | My crontab is as it should be, but it isn't working. |
| 23:01.54 | abrotman | streuner is definitely a lame ... |
| 23:01.54 | Nazcafan | jonathan__: yes U am |
| 23:01.56 | abrotman | me runs |
| 23:01.57 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:01.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:02.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:02.04 | Nazcafan | Guerin: it used to work before |
| 23:02.04 | Sintas | abrotman: no the one from nvida |
| 23:02.09 | abrotman | Sintas: ask #nvidia |
| 23:02.13 | Nazcafan | but now, it doesn't anymore |
| 23:02.17 | Sintas | thanks |
| 23:02.36 | ejot | jjazz: err, yes... how in earth did that get there? |
| 23:02.38 | Guerin | Nazcafan: try plugging out, removing the hcd modules, and re-loading them |
| 23:02.48 | Nazcafan | Guerin: I'll try that |
| 23:02.50 | jjazz | ejot: I don't know, but remove it and do an apt-get update. |
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| 23:02.54 | jjazz | ejot: Or just comment it out. |
| 23:02.58 | streuner | deny[all]: What about to STFU? |
| 23:03.03 | Guerin | Nazcafan: my mother sometimes gets issues with acpi and usb with gphoto2 |
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| 23:03.13 | ejot | jjazz: hats off to you :) |
| 23:03.30 | Guerin | hats off to roy! |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | parker! |
| 23:03.44 | Guerin | harper? |
| 23:03.44 | streuner | deny[all]: and change your nick before we get eye-cancer! |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | doh! |
| 23:03.47 | jjazz | Guerin: Yes, hats off to the rookie of the year |
| 23:03.52 | Guerin | something like that |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | Guerin: you're right |
| 23:03.59 | Guerin | might be parker, I forget |
| 23:04.03 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:04.05 | Guerin | !win me |
| 23:04.05 | rabe | any idea how i get my 2nd hdd working ? |
| 23:04.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:04.14 | abrotman | !pony Guerin |
| 23:04.17 | Nazcafan | Guerin: should lsusb list the camera ? |
| 23:04.23 | deny[all] | streuner: what about let u someone else help, if u read on the net u can't find and specific solution, and noone says "use another disc", and what's your problem with my nick? |
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| 23:04.43 | cydork | !u |
| 23:04.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:04.50 | Guerin | abrotman: i have a choon by a balkan band called `Hats off to Kolpakoff' which is funny when you realise that `kolpak' is russian(ish) for `hat' |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:04.59 | Wowbagger_ | I'm thinking of making a software raid for a home office. I'd like to run some kind of transparent compression if it's at all reasonable. Any suggestions? |
| 23:04.59 | deny[all] | streuner: u got brain damage allready so don't botther about eyes cancer |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | deny[all]: stop trolling people |
| 23:05.10 | streuner | haha |
| 23:05.14 | Guerin | Nazcafan: i guess so |
| 23:05.23 | Nazcafan | Guerin: it doesn't |
| 23:05.28 | Guerin | Nazcafan: mm. |
| 23:05.30 | Nazcafan | lsusb only shows my usb mouse |
| 23:05.42 | Nazcafan | however, on plugin the camera I get those messages |
| 23:05.43 | Nazcafan | : |
| 23:05.45 | jelly-home | deny[all]: you'll have to play nicely with locals if you want answers... that includes at least trying to write properly |
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| 23:05.49 | Guerin | Nazcafan: might be some sd/sg module needed? |
| 23:05.55 | Guerin | Nazcafan: any kernel/etc changes? |
| 23:05.57 | Nazcafan | Jan 9 00:01:43 localhost kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup |
| 23:05.57 | Nazcafan | Jan 9 00:01:43 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9 |
| 23:05.57 | Nazcafan | Jan 9 00:01:43 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 c |
| 23:06.10 | Guerin | pasting for the lose |
| 23:06.11 | Nazcafan | Guerin: I did some cleaning a few months ago |
| 23:06.21 | deny[all] | abrotman: look who trolling who |
| 23:06.23 | streuner | deny[all]: provide for us more infos, just do what we told you, if you get the same result we see what we can do... |
| 23:06.30 | Draconicus | 'lo? |
| 23:06.36 | Draconicus | I can't run cron. It fails. :( |
| 23:06.48 | Draconicus | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
| 23:06.49 | Nazcafan | Guerin: I never paste more than 3 lines |
| 23:07.11 | Guerin | Draconicus: logs tell you why. |
| 23:07.12 | Draconicus | I'd really like vixiecron, but it's not in your repositories. |
| 23:07.13 | jjazz | Hmm... 'ls /dev/hd* | wc' yields '168 168 1760'. Why do I suddenly have 168 hard drive devices? |
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| 23:07.27 | Draconicus | Guerin: Which logs? |
| 23:08.03 | deny[all] | streuner: i did try about 3 diferents disc, and with 2 distros, i'm not a newbie if u take 2 seconds to check google i will find that there is no answer |
| 23:08.04 | Draconicus | jjazz: You became very rich and didn't realize it. |
| 23:08.33 | deny[all] | streuner: BTW insulting my nick doesn't make the things easy |
| 23:08.36 | Guerin | Draconicus: the ones which are heavy and made of wood? |
| 23:08.37 | rabe | in my list of devices in /dev is no hdb2 |
| 23:08.46 | rabe | but i have that partition |
| 23:08.51 | Guerin | deny[all]: don't be insulted. It's funny, laugh. |
| 23:08.53 | Guerin | !offence |
| 23:08.54 | dpkg | offence is, like, don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 23:08.57 | jjazz | Draconicus: perhaps that's the best way to be rich. I am mildly concerned, though, as I'm not sure why there would be so many device nodes. |
| 23:08.58 | amphi | !blame udev |
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| 23:09.14 | Draconicus | Guerin: Do these also run over your neighbor's dog? |
| 23:09.15 | streuner | deny[all]: hm, what's the exact URL (downloading iso)? |
| 23:09.15 | pickcoder | when did the s get replaced with a c? |
| 23:09.39 | Guerin | Draconicus: some of them have been known to. |
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| 23:09.47 | Nazcafan | ho ho |
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| 23:10.11 | deny[all] | an official debian repository but give me 5 and i give u the exact url |
| 23:10.21 | Nazcafan | I got it |
| 23:10.38 | streuner | deny[all]: ok, what happens if you using a different one (iso) etch? |
| 23:10.38 | jjazz | !ntfs |
| 23:10.38 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 23:10.42 | jjazz | rabe ^^^ |
| 23:10.48 | Draconicus | I need to do a huge pile of homework, and cron is my only alarm clock for the morning. Please help. |
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| 23:11.09 | Nazcafan | Guerin: I found the problem |
| 23:11.19 | Nazcafan | it is a permission problem |
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| 23:11.20 | jjazz | Draconicus: man at |
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| 23:11.27 | jelly-home | jjazz: are you sure ls /dev/hd* did what you thought it did? (not an alias to ls -l or something) |
| 23:11.38 | Nazcafan | if I lsusb as user (member of the camera group), I only get the mouse |
| 23:11.52 | Guerin | Draconicus: sleep 8h; ogg321 rms-free_software_song.ogg |
| 23:11.57 | Nazcafan | if I lsusb or launch gktam from root, I see the camera an gtkam works fine |
| 23:11.58 | jjazz | jelly-home: Yep |
| 23:12.00 | Draconicus | Ugh. |
| 23:12.05 | Guerin | Draconicus: though I admit 8h is a bit optimistic |
| 23:12.06 | Draconicus | I'm SERIOUS about this. |
| 23:12.15 | Guerin | Draconicus: so am I! |
| 23:12.18 | Draconicus | I need Cron for many things. The alarm is only one of them. |
| 23:12.30 | Nazcafan | what is wrong with my rights settings |
| 23:12.35 | jjazz | jelly-home: Yes, I posted the wc output just for the number. Looking at the actual output of ls shows a lot of devices, from hda1 up to hdh20 |
| 23:12.37 | rabe | jjazz, ? ^^ |
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| 23:12.40 | Guerin | Draconicus: why did it break (subtext: what did YOU do to break it?) |
| 23:12.46 | Draconicus | I can't go setting up four alarms every night. That's how many it takes to wake up. I'm a very distracted and obsessive person, so I also need alarms to tell me to go to sleep, go to school, etc. |
| 23:12.47 | deny[all] | streuner: same thing, i'm going to try with an old one, i try eaven diferent distros, looks like have problem with the module, don't know |
| 23:13.08 | Nazcafan | Guerin: any clue ? |
| 23:13.13 | streuner | deny[all]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:13.14 | Guerin | Nazcafan: nope. |
| 23:13.16 | Draconicus | Guerin: This is a brand spankin' new install. Shiny and clean. I've done nothing but put in my old crontab. The programs used are installed. I made sure of that. |
| 23:13.17 | mirak | is there something like window supercopier on linux for Gnome ??? |
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| 23:13.23 | Nazcafan | is there a group USB or something ? |
| 23:13.24 | Guerin | Nazcafan: this is why I buy Nikon cameras |
| 23:13.26 | jelly-home | Draconicus: how do you handle power failures? :-) |
| 23:13.37 | Nazcafan | Guerin: it has nothing to do about the brand |
| 23:13.39 | Guerin | (and because my trusty nikon survived me falling off the great wall of china) |
| 23:13.41 | Nazcafan | it is permission |
| 23:13.48 | streuner | deny[all]: what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
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| 23:13.54 | Nazcafan | Got a friend who was in china |
| 23:13.58 | Draconicus | jelly-home: The same way anyone with an electric alarm clock does: I explain it away when I get to school. :P |
| 23:13.58 | Guerin | Nazcafan: yes and no. Nikon are USB mass storage. Canon aren't. |
| 23:14.06 | Nazcafan | Guerin: right |
| 23:14.11 | deny[all] | streuner: did i tell u that i'm unable to install right? |
| 23:14.13 | Guerin | UMS is easy to debug. Other stuff ain't so |
| 23:14.26 | Draconicus | Regarding other alarms... I sort of fall apart. :P |
| 23:14.35 | streuner | deny[all]: we want to find that out |
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| 23:14.39 | Draconicus | My life relies on technology, basically. |
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| 23:14.55 | rabe | jjazz, yes but even with root i have no acces to my ntfs partition it sais special device does not exist |
| 23:14.58 | streuner | deny[all]: atm, iam not sure where the problem is. |
| 23:15.00 | Guerin | mm, that's painful |
| 23:15.01 | dsl748 | What is the command from apt to install the package aptitude |
| 23:15.02 | Draconicus | Anyway, I'd really like to get cron working before I get caught up in homework and go to sleep, totally forgetting about it. |
| 23:15.08 | jelly-home | Draconicus: so this is a life and death issue! |
| 23:15.13 | Draconicus | No. |
| 23:15.14 | Guerin | i recommend going to live in the jungle for a few weeks/months |
| 23:15.14 | streuner | dsl748: apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:15.19 | Guerin | that'll sort you right out :) |
| 23:15.20 | Draconicus | This is a life and graduation issue. |
| 23:15.25 | jjazz | rabe: ls /dev/hdb2 Is it there? |
| 23:15.42 | streuner | deny[all]: why did you mention 'module' at all? |
| 23:15.43 | Draconicus | I've missed too much school as it is. |
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| 23:16.03 | deny[all] | streuner: version says " linux version 2.6.17-2-486 (debian 2.6.17-9) |
| 23:16.04 | Draconicus | You're really starting to piss me off, now. Cron shouldn't be broken in a fresh installation! |
| 23:16.06 | jelly-home | Draconicus: anyway, uncomment cron.log line in /etc/syslog.conf, reload syslog. try starting cron again and see if anything appears in /var/log/cron.log |
| 23:16.18 | streuner | deny[all]: SCSI? |
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| 23:16.30 | streuner | deny[all]: is the CDROM drive SCSI? |
| 23:16.31 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Thanks for ceasing to mess with me. -_- |
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| 23:16.40 | deny[all] | streuner: nop ide |
| 23:16.57 | streuner | deny[all]: and you got the same error using different isos? |
| 23:17.14 | deny[all] | streuner: i got a SATA disk, 2 IDE disk and IDE DVD-ROM |
| 23:17.31 | deny[all] | streuner: yes, and diferents distro too |
| 23:17.33 | Draconicus | jelly-home: It didn't write to cron.log. in fact, said file still doesn't exist. |
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| 23:17.52 | jelly-home | Draconicus: hm, then restart sysklogd. |
| 23:18.00 | deny[all] | i'm wondering if i got problems with the IDE and SATA controllers |
| 23:18.03 | jelly-home | but reload should have worked too |
| 23:18.30 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Now it exists, but it's empty. |
| 23:18.35 | jelly-home | Draconicus: good. |
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| 23:18.51 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Not very. Now we don't know why cron doesn't work. |
| 23:19.25 | jelly-home | Draconicus: but there's a chance something will come up in the log. |
| 23:19.41 | streuner | deny[all]: well, if the CDROM SATA you prolly out of luck |
| 23:19.41 | Draconicus | jelly-home: I already tried... Nothing did. |
| 23:19.45 | jelly-home | Draconicus: does grep -i cron /var/log/*log show anything? |
| 23:19.47 | deny[all] | streuner: i found that i don't have loaded the ide-cd module |
| 23:19.56 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:20.03 | deny[all] | streuner: nop the CDROM is IDE |
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| 23:20.18 | sanmarcos-trabaj | in emails the To: header inst processed right? I mean, I can put wahtever in there, it wont send it to the address listed in there right? |
| 23:20.18 | sanmarcos-trabaj | in emails the To: header inst processed right? I mean, I can put wahtever in there, it wont send it to the address listed in there right? |
| 23:20.38 | jelly-home | Draconicus: you said you copied over your crontab file... did you put it directly in /var/spool/cron/crontabs ? |
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| 23:20.39 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Ha. Cron was working. mpg321 isn't outputting anything for some reason. |
| 23:21.00 | Draconicus | jelly-home: The reason I couldn't start cron was because it was already running. I shouldn't assume things. |
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| 23:21.22 | streuner | deny[all]: well, usually it should modprobe the right module auto... |
| 23:21.51 | jelly-home | Draconicus: I assumed you already checked there was no crond process. |
| 23:21.52 | Draconicus | mpg321, mpg123, aplay... none of them are outputting any sound. |
| 23:22.04 | deny[all] | streuner: now i'm using modprobe ide-cd to load it but i don't have luck |
| 23:22.04 | Draconicus | Yet XMMS is playing through ALSA quite happily. |
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| 23:23.02 | jelly-home | Draconicus: hm. Do any of the command line utils start working if you quit xmms? |
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| 23:23.39 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Hey, they do.. What gives? |
| 23:23.50 | streuner | deny[all]: try the linux26 option in order to use a 2.6.x kernel |
| 23:23.50 | h3sp4wn | deny[all]: Is it a jmicron ide you are using ? |
| 23:23.51 | jelly-home | Draconicus: are you _sure_ xmms uses alsa? |
| 23:23.55 | Guerin | Draconicus: set up asoundrc |
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| 23:24.08 | Draconicus | jelly-home: Positive. |
| 23:24.36 | deny[all] | streuner: the new version has on default the 2.6.x kernel |
| 23:24.50 | Draconicus | Guerin: How? |
| 23:24.58 | deny[all] | h3sp4wn: let me check the chipset |
| 23:24.58 | Draconicus | This problem never came up on Gentoo.. |
| 23:25.08 | Guerin | !asound |
| 23:25.10 | jelly-home | Draconicus: sounds like dmix isn't working. It works for me without any messing with ~/.asoundrc so I can't really be of help |
| 23:25.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:25.16 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 23:25.16 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 23:25.17 | h3sp4wn | deny[all]: Is it a very new motherboard ? |
| 23:25.20 | jjazz | sanmarcos-trabaj: the envelope header tells it where to go, not the message header. |
| 23:25.22 | streuner | deny[all]: iam out of ideas then, /j #debian-boot on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 23:25.54 | deny[all] | h3sp4wn: it's a asus motherboard but not the lastone |
| 23:26.10 | rabe | jjazz, no if type ls /dev/hdb2 it is not there |
| 23:26.19 | h3sp4wn | deny[all]: As in been released less than 6 months |
| 23:26.29 | rabe | jjazz, but i can see it with gparted |
| 23:26.35 | deny[all] | h3sp4wn: yes i'm preaty sure |
| 23:26.53 | h3sp4wn | deny[all]: core 2 ? or athlon x2 ? |
| 23:26.57 | deny[all] | i'm in south america here all it's 6 months old :P |
| 23:27.05 | deny[all] | h3sp4wn: core 2 |
| 23:27.27 | jjazz | rabe: Try creating the device with mknod |
| 23:27.28 | h3sp4wn | Probably you need 2.6.18 to get the jmicron ide controller to work |
| 23:27.48 | streuner | and etch using 2.6.17 (d-i) |
| 23:27.49 | Draconicus | Where is asound.conf? |
| 23:27.59 | h3sp4wn | I am not sure whether there is an etch installer with 2.6.18 ? does anyone know whether the daily built images include it ? |
| 23:28.10 | deny[all] | h3sp4wn: let me check if i got that chipset |
| 23:28.18 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:28.18 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 23:28.50 | streuner | yeah, that's it, he'll need to upgrade then |
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| 23:29.12 | streuner | another life-Time-Collection for Guerin :-P |
| 23:29.15 | streuner | !win Guerin |
| 23:29.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:29.24 | streuner | that's even better :-) |
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| 23:30.09 | rabe | jjazz, with mknod /dev/hdb2 |
| 23:30.29 | Draconicus | I want to win something! :( |
| 23:30.56 | deny[all] | ok i'm able to mount the drive |
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| 23:31.32 | deny[all] | and read it, but the installation did't reconize them |
| 23:31.57 | streuner | deny[all]: what's about the chipset? |
| 23:32.41 | Draconicus | Where is asound.conf? |
| 23:32.49 | deny[all] | streuner: cdrom chipset? |
| 23:33.22 | jjazz | Draconicus: it doesn't exist by default |
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| 23:33.55 | streuner | deny[all]: mobo |
| 23:34.10 | jjazz | Draconicus: Use ~/.asoundrc. The system-wide one would be put (I think) in /etc/asound.conf. |
| 23:34.22 | Draconicus | That sounds familiar. |
| 23:34.40 | loopdee | just wondering if anyone has fglrx driver, uses vnc, and if has any issues with the vnc being corrupt ? |
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| 23:34.44 | streuner | deny[all]: search for intel 965 |
| 23:34.49 | jjazz | Draconicus: Or maybe /etc/alsa/asound.conf? I just don't recall. |
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| 23:36.07 | PaSurf | I am trying to install Debian Etch onto a server and am having troubles with the system acting very slow (responding slow to keystroks) any ideas? I used "install fb-false netcfg/disable_dhcp=true" for installation |
| 23:36.56 | Draconicus | jjazz: I reloaded alsa with that in /etc/asound.conf and now nothing plays... |
| 23:37.01 | znoG | Hi All. I have package A that depends on package B, but package B is not installed with apt-get as I had to install it from source due to another package that needed a later version from source. How can I update apt-get/dpkg so that it thinks the package is installed from deb even though it is installed from source? |
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| 23:38.06 | jjazz | znoG: The "right" way to do that would be to make a package out of the item you installed from source |
| 23:38.15 | jello | znoG: equivs |
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| 23:38.32 | jjazz | znoG: The quick way would be to check man apt-get and look at forcing the dependency. I forget the syntax. |
| 23:38.40 | jello | jjazz: no! |
| 23:38.45 | jjazz | jello: No? |
| 23:38.47 | usr_rob | does anyone knows why the gnome network manager (nm-applet) connects to different access points when gnome starts up ? |
| 23:38.49 | deny[all] | streuner: i'm using an special parameters on the instalation right now, i was able to mount it so i dunno if it's the mobo chipset, anyway i will chek that too |
| 23:38.53 | jello | !tell jjazz about equivs |
| 23:39.12 | usr_rob | can you bind it with some flags on the start up command in .sessions ? |
| 23:39.18 | PaSurf | I am trying to install Debian Etch onto a server and am having troubles with the system (during install) is acting very slow (responding slow to keystroks) any ideas? I used "install fb-false netcfg/disable_dhcp=true" for installation |
| 23:39.29 | jjazz | jello: Thanks. |
| 23:39.35 | jello | np |
| 23:39.45 | rabe | jjazz, i dont know how to cr8 a device with mknod |
| 23:39.58 | valdyn | usr_rob: nm-applet doesnt connect at all by default |
| 23:40.07 | streuner | deny[all]: the user manual of the mobo itselfs should tell you what kind of chipset there is... |
| 23:40.22 | usr_rob | valdyn, dbus ? |
| 23:40.24 | valdyn | usr_rob: ...unless you chose explicitely |
| 23:40.30 | znoG | jjazz: yeah, i agree the correct way is to make the package, but i'll go with the quick fix for now :) |
| 23:40.32 | Guerin | rabe: you want to crate a device? |
| 23:40.45 | znoG | jello: equivs? in apt-get? |
| 23:40.48 | Guerin | rabe: are you shipping it somewhere? I hope you have the right export permits. |
| 23:40.52 | streuner | deny[all]: besides, later versions of d-i (etch) using 2.6.18 as well.. |
| 23:41.04 | valdyn | usr_rob: maybe your stuff in /etc/network/interfaces brings it up ( and your thing connects automagically ) |
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| 23:41.39 | Draconicus | AHHHH |
| 23:41.40 | usr_rob | valdyn, no, the interfaces file need to be clean, and only have lo |
| 23:41.43 | jjazz | rabe: First of all, I'm not sure mknod is going to help. It's a bit of a guess. Second, man mknod for more info. |
| 23:41.55 | Draconicus | jjazz: *jab* |
| 23:41.57 | jello | !tell znoG about equivs |
| 23:42.20 | znoG | thanks jello |
| 23:42.27 | jello | np |
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| 23:42.42 | PaSurf | My etch install is going slow. For some reason the system is slow to keystrokes and seems to take forever to do anything (hardware detection, etc) I have sarge installed on the system and did not have the same issue. Any ideas on why? |
| 23:42.50 | ilyak | Why don't my hal listen to my .fdi files? |
| 23:42.59 | ilyak | I made one, with no apparent reaction from os |
| 23:43.08 | deny[all] | streuner: download thisone on sunday :( |
| 23:43.10 | jello | znoG: but you should really try to use the packaged version if you can... |
| 23:43.19 | jjazz | Draconicus: I don't have any answers for you, sorry. I know where the file should go, but as to what you need to put in the file, I don't know. |
| 23:43.26 | znoG | jello: yeah, there is no .deb around for it, only option is to make it myself |
| 23:43.35 | predder | PaSurf, have you checked your cpu/memory usage? |
| 23:44.01 | jello | znoG: did you check wnpp? |
| 23:44.07 | usr_rob | valdyn, nm-applet uses the dbus service |
| 23:44.19 | znoG | jello: can't say I have. I am using ubuntu though, FWIW, not straight Debian. |
| 23:44.25 | streuner | deny[all]: there is another option, using DVD (SATA), this would use not the 'JMicron' controller then... |
| 23:44.36 | PaSurf | predder: its a new install. The system is a hp385 with dual AMD processors w/ 4gig mem. Before the install system was testing machine with only LAMP installed |
| 23:44.37 | jello | !tell znoG about wnpp |
| 23:44.43 | rabe | jjaz, thank you i looked at man and info and google for mknod it seems like geek stuf for me :) |
| 23:44.56 | znoG | jello: once again, ty :) |
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| 23:45.07 | k31th | Anyon know a decent web designer ? |
| 23:45.32 | centrx | me? |
| 23:45.34 | streuner | mozillaĆ |
| 23:45.42 | bonez39 | k31th, wishing I knew one, or was one |
| 23:45.45 | streuner | mozilla? |
| 23:45.54 | adrakoa | when i make a debuild, the finish ask for a passphrasse (howto change the email address)? |
| 23:46.26 | k31th | bonez39: same |
| 23:46.31 | adrakoa | gnugpg has two email address.. |
| 23:46.43 | adrakoa | but it selects the first one... |
| 23:46.59 | jello | adrakoa: DEBEMAIL=jello@debian.org |
| 23:47.11 | jello | adrakoa: you should really ask in #debian-mentors |
| 23:47.21 | adrakoa | thx |
| 23:47.41 | azeem | adrakoa: the better way is to not have it sign at that point, but to run debsign on the changes later when you need it |
| 23:47.54 | bonez39 | k31th, I know this much....for what you end up paying....to have web design or graphic design done...it's almost worth the cost of books and classes to just learn and DIY..... |
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| 23:47.58 | jello | azeem: it needs the email to build the .dsc and .changes... |
| 23:48.24 | bonez39 | k31th, plus, you end up without having to negotiate with someone at the end about what they own, and what you own, and have paid for.... |
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| 23:48.33 | PaSurf | Anyone have luck installing etch on a server with no installation problems or issues. |
| 23:48.41 | jello | PaSurf: yes |
| 23:48.48 | adrakoa | debuild -k0xxxxxxx |
| 23:48.54 | k31th | bonez39: by the time uv explained wat you want... |
| 23:48.55 | adrakoa | it's searching |
| 23:48.56 | adrakoa | thx |
| 23:48.56 | jello | PaSurf: i upgraded my sarge server to etch, no problems |
| 23:48.56 | predder | PaSurf, I've had no problems with 4 installs myself |
| 23:48.58 | azeem | jello: it takes that from debian/changelog usually |
| 23:49.13 | jello | azeem: yes, which dch take from DEBEMAIL |
| 23:49.14 | jjazz | bonez39: Web dev is more than the skills learned from books and classes. Professional designers bring a designer's eye and experience. If they're good, that's well worth paying for. |
| 23:49.28 | azeem | jello: vicious circle :) |
| 23:49.28 | Nazcafan | ok they changed the group of camera users from camera to plugdev |
| 23:49.29 | predder | Actually, I had a problem with the hardware detection order after the initial reboot when installing etch on one of the boxes but nothing like you've described |
| 23:49.33 | Nazcafan | that was the story |
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| 23:49.45 | jello | azeem: no, you just have to set DEBEMAIL and then you're ok... :) |
| 23:49.46 | azeem | jello: otherwise dch tries to figure it out from your login/hostname, btw |
| 23:49.56 | jello | azeem: yes, exactly |
| 23:49.57 | PaSurf | I am trying to do a fresh install and am running into installation issues. It takes all of 1 minute for the system to respond to key strokes. |
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| 23:50.01 | azeem | but yeah, anyway |
| 23:50.09 | PaSurf | Could it be the AMD64 build or iso? |
| 23:50.16 | daxxar | Anyone else having issues with debian-user@lists.debian.org eating your emails? I sent an email .. 3 hours ago, and no sign of it on the list yet. |
| 23:50.20 | azeem | my point was sort of orthogonal to it, delay signing until afterwards |
| 23:50.25 | usr_rob | valdyn, seems like the network manager only supports dhcp via dbus so far .. :( |
| 23:50.36 | azeem | daxxar: are you subscribed? |
| 23:50.39 | deny[all] | streuner: i think i fond the solution :D |
| 23:50.48 | predder | PaSurf, oh you're installing the 64bit version? Did you specifically require 64bit? |
| 23:50.50 | jello | azeem: at that point it's too late though...anyways |
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| 23:51.07 | deny[all] | streuner: using the option irqpoll at the boot time |
| 23:51.17 | azeem | jello: I didn't they he shouldn't use DEBEMAIL, he should |
| 23:51.28 | osiris | hi guys how can i reach my win32 partition from debian? |
| 23:51.37 | PaSurf | predder: no, I just downloaded the amd64 iso then did "install fb=false netcfg/disable_dhcp=true" and let it rip |
| 23:51.39 | deny[all] | streuner: i don't need a new iso at all, so thanks guys! |
| 23:51.45 | jello | osiris: mount |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | !tell osiris about vfatrw |
| 23:51.49 | predder | PaSurf, I've been using the i386 installer, no real need for 64bit even on my amd64 machines |
| 23:52.02 | predder | if you dont have a specific need for using amd64 I would suggest not using it |
| 23:52.37 | MatBoy | is xmms not developed anymore ? |
| 23:52.49 | usr_rob | valdyn, if we speak wpa_supplicant support will say ... |
| 23:52.55 | PaSurf | predder: I had i386 on system but ran into issue with mounts (long story) WHat does the 64 do that the i386 doen't? |
| 23:52.59 | daxxar | azeem: yes |
| 23:53.11 | PaSurf | predder: but I used i386 sarge... |
| 23:53.15 | predder | !tell PaSurf about amd64 |
| 23:53.31 | azeem | daxxar: no idea then, it might take a while sometimes when the main mailserver is overloaded |
| 23:53.32 | MatBoy | !xmms |
| 23:53.32 | dpkg | i guess xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 23:53.58 | daxxar | How long should I wait before resending it? |
| 23:54.03 | streuner | Super-Bot, wbr abrotman ;-) |
| 23:54.06 | jello | daxxar: a day? |
| 23:54.11 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:54.17 | daxxar | Okay, I'll look at it tomorrow, then. :) |
| 23:54.21 | jello | !hi abrotman |
| 23:54.27 | daxxar | Does UML use custom kernels? |
| 23:54.28 | jello | !greet abrotman |
| 23:54.28 | dpkg | Welcome, abrotman |
| 23:54.43 | daxxar | Or can it boot a normal x86 kernel. |
| 23:54.45 | predder | PaSurf, 64bit libraries and >4GB memory support (which can be had anyway using the bigmem kernel option) |
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| 23:54.55 | Guerin | daxxar: uml is a kernel module |
| 23:55.20 | PaSurf | predder: i386 has 4 gig mem support? |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:55.30 | streuner | Guerin: Do you think you can 'beat' ever abrotman in the stats? |
| 23:55.30 | predder | yup |
| 23:55.31 | Guerin | PaSurf: no, 686 does |
| 23:55.36 | abrotman | streuner: he has |
| 23:55.45 | streuner | heh |
| 23:55.46 | Guerin | streuner: i beat him ages ago, and have long since given up doing it again |
| 23:55.49 | abrotman | streuner: in 2004 :) |
| 23:56.01 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:56.09 | daxxar | Guerin: yeah, uml is a kernel module, but it executes a kernel image, doesn't it? |
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| 23:56.34 | Guerin | daxxar: no. it enables the kernel to control multiple userspaces independently of one another. |
| 23:56.42 | daxxar | Oh, okay. Darn. |
| 23:57.01 | daxxar | I can't test an older kernel or newer under UML, then. :-) |
| 23:57.27 | Guerin | daxxar: no. |
| 23:57.37 | daxxar | I was hoping to see if using the "old" userspace and kernel would solve my raid/lvm-problems, but I guess I have to get someone local to manually check it out for me. |
| 23:58.42 | osiris | okay and an other question, debian doesnt recognize my usb stick how can i fix it? |
| 23:58.45 | streuner | abrotman: do you think you can leave the states ever? |
| 23:59.00 | streuner | abrotman: i think about the next debconf... |
| 23:59.56 | osiris | and what is fstab? |
