| 00:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 650] by debhelper |
| 00:00.05 | Guerin | !fstab osiris |
| 00:00.05 | streuner | !listvals debian.pascal.at |
| 00:00.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian.pascal.at' by value returned no results. |
| 00:00.16 | azeem | Guerin: huh? |
| 00:00.25 | jjazz | !fstab |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | well, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 00:00.28 | Guerin | azeem: it's a joke. |
| 00:00.34 | azeem | Guerin: it's insulting |
| 00:00.46 | Guerin | eh, I was getting to jjazz's factoid to make right |
| 00:00.51 | streuner | be cool azeem |
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| 00:01.07 | azeem | streuner: I'm cool, I'm just trying to figure out how to delete it |
| 00:01.13 | Guerin | ffs |
| 00:01.23 | streuner | what's the URL about the austrian website mention USB installs? |
| 00:01.41 | azeem | Guerin: well, if you'd not use it in here but in #debian-offtopic or whereever, there'd be no problem |
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| 00:02.00 | Guerin | azeem: that would somewhat defeat the purpose of the joke, no? |
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| 00:02.37 | jjazz | If a joke is made in an empty chan, is it still not funny? |
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| 00:02.50 | streuner | azeem needs this ;-) |
| 00:03.02 | azeem | Guerin: uhm, it's not a joke if the others don't laugh, mkay? |
| 00:03.21 | streuner | well, i find it funny :-) |
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| 00:03.36 | azeem | Guerin: I don't think using these kind of "jokes" on non-regulars is appropriate in a support channel |
| 00:03.36 | Guerin | azeem: sure it is. What you're trying to say is that it's not a joke if *you* don't laugh. |
| 00:03.48 | azeem | it's totally fine in a channel where people know each other, of course |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | streuner: why wouldn't i be able to ? |
| 00:04.00 | Guerin | azeem: ah, it's in good humour, and was to be accompanied by actual real help. |
| 00:04.04 | streuner | abrotman: i have humor? ;-) |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:04.19 | Guerin | azeem: just that jjazz got to the actual helpful factoid first. |
| 00:04.38 | streuner | Guerin: he is right, insult him or me, but not newbies... |
| 00:04.51 | streuner | yeah |
| 00:05.04 | deny[all] | streuner: maybe it's good to put the solution on the bot, i think i'm not gonna be the only one with the problem |
| 00:05.10 | osiris | is the win partition the proc partition? |
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| 00:05.31 | pickcoder | o_O |
| 00:05.31 | Guerin | osiris: /proc isn't actually a partition; it's virtual |
| 00:05.32 | streuner | deny[all]: /msg dpkg foo is <reply> blahblah |
| 00:05.38 | osiris | oh |
| 00:06.14 | deny[all] | streuner: ok :) |
| 00:06.17 | jjazz | osiris: your win partition will look like /dev/hda3 or some such. |
| 00:06.42 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.56 | osiris | i got sda2 sda5 hdc and fd0 |
| 00:07.07 | Guerin | back in the distant times when I had a windows partition, it was mounted on /mnt/lose |
| 00:07.15 | pickcoder | osiris: it will probably be marked as HPFS or NTFS if it's a recent install |
| 00:07.18 | osiris | hdc and fd0 is floppy i guess |
| 00:07.21 | pickcoder | use fdisk to tell |
| 00:07.27 | jello | osiris: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:07.28 | jjazz | osiris: fdisk -l |
| 00:07.32 | pickcoder | othewise it'll be FAT32 |
| 00:08.15 | karmatronic | hello there |
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| 00:08.50 | jello | !greet karmatronic |
| 00:08.50 | dpkg | Wassup, karmatronic |
| 00:08.50 | streuner | osiris: there is ig (install-guide) which mention USB installs and a austrian website -- pascal or such just google for that |
| 00:08.52 | deny[all] | !installation can't find cdrom |
| 00:09.00 | jesdynf | Alright, so it looks like I've forgotten the password on my GNOME keyring. Annoying and unrecoverable, I accept this -- but what's the easiest way to blast it and create a new one? |
| 00:09.03 | karmatronic | i m fine thank you |
| 00:09.23 | jesdynf | The man page for gnome-keyring-manager wasn't a lot of help. |
| 00:09.28 | deny[all] | !debian install can't find cdrom |
| 00:09.28 | dpkg | try adding the option irqpoll |
| 00:09.34 | deny[all] | cool |
| 00:09.35 | Guerin | jesdynf: probably to purge and reinstall the package |
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| 00:09.42 | streuner | !listvals JMicron |
| 00:09.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'JMicron' by value returned no results. |
| 00:09.53 | Guerin | deny[all]: add to where? |
| 00:10.14 | jesdynf | Guerin: Can I purge and reinstall it without something helpfully deinstalling half my system? |
| 00:10.38 | Guerin | jesdynf: yes, if you use dpkg --force-something |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | deny[all]: stop screwing with the bot |
| 00:10.58 | Guerin | jesdynf: --force-help will tell you which to use: hint: NOT --force-all |
| 00:11.08 | karmatronic | is ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml the place where workspaces get configured on gnome ? |
| 00:11.12 | jello | jesdynf: shouldn't it be somewhere in a dot directory in $HOME? |
| 00:11.23 | Guerin | jello: this is gnome we're talking about, bud |
| 00:11.24 | deny[all] | ok i'm trying to help sorry |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | !debian install can't find cdrom |
| 00:11.30 | dpkg | try adding the option irqpoll |
| 00:11.33 | Guerin | deny[all]: add irqpoll option to WHAT? |
| 00:11.42 | Guerin | deny[all]: the factoid isn't clear |
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| 00:11.43 | jesdynf | jello: I'd've thought so too, but I failed to find it. |
| 00:11.54 | osiris | dev/sda1 * 1 10170 81690493+ 7 HPFS/NTFS thats it or not? what is the mountpoint? |
| 00:11.57 | jello | Guerin: and therefore what? |
| 00:12.03 | deny[all] | Guerin: yes i know, into the boot option |
| 00:12.07 | streuner | deny[all]: and, do you have intel 965 chipset? |
| 00:12.20 | Guerin | jello: things which should be predictable usually aren't |
| 00:12.26 | jello | ah |
| 00:12.34 | Guerin | deny[all]: when booting the cdrom? |
| 00:12.34 | jello | i knew i used kde for a reason... |
| 00:13.11 | pickcoder | osiris: there isn't a mount-point unless you add one |
| 00:13.12 | deny[all] | Guerin: yes, but that problem it was reported with some kernel upgrade also |
| 00:13.13 | streuner | Guerin: no distro works for him, even not the d-i with 2.6.18 kernel in order to boot the fucking CDROM |
| 00:13.30 | abrotman | what's so special about it ? |
| 00:13.31 | deny[all] | streuner: i don't have the manual here |
| 00:13.35 | Guerin | streuner: but that boot param fixes it? |
| 00:13.40 | streuner | Guerin: someone mentioned Jmircron controller which are on intel 965 chipsets |
| 00:13.52 | streuner | Guerin: i have no idea |
| 00:13.57 | streuner | prolly not |
| 00:14.06 | Guerin | *shrug* |
| 00:14.06 | deny[all] | streuner: i found the solution, i got it run with that option |
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| 00:14.09 | streuner | Guerin: there are different chipsets as well... |
| 00:14.19 | pickcoder | I didn't think the drivers were going to work until .20 |
| 00:14.52 | pickcoder | well the drivers half-work, they just don't recognize the new hardware IDs |
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| 00:14.58 | Guerin | !debian install can't find cdrom =~ s/irqpoll/irqpoll to the d-i boot line/ |
| 00:14.58 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 00:15.12 | streuner | Guerin: best thing would be, if he would be able to tell us the chipset (mobo manual) |
| 00:15.16 | deny[all] | Guerin: don't know it's working with that if don't want the solution on the bot delete it, i'm STFU now |
| 00:15.32 | Guerin | deny[all]: nah, it's all cool |
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| 00:15.37 | dvs | streuner: lspci doesn't work? |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | i bet it's not ... |
| 00:15.54 | dvs | It's a mac! |
| 00:15.55 | streuner | dvs: he didn't get this iso to boot at all... |
| 00:15.57 | deny[all] | streuner: if u search on the web u will see it's not a chipset problem |
| 00:15.58 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:16.04 | dvs | O I C |
| 00:16.05 | pickcoder | Guerin: it's a new version of the Jmicro chips |
| 00:16.08 | abrotman | macs have core2duo |
| 00:16.12 | Guerin | mmkay |
| 00:16.20 | pickcoder | the old drivers don't recognize the newer SATA/PATA chips |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | did you try legacy mode ? |
| 00:16.35 | pickcoder | and from what I read, they work very poorly when hacked to notice them |
| 00:16.52 | deny[all] | streuner: mm.. i'm not clear maybe, it's working now i got ETA 1m to finish the instalation |
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| 00:17.11 | pickcoder | Macs have Intel... |
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| 00:17.22 | streuner | deny[all]: ok, tell us the output of lspci then. |
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| 00:17.32 | deny[all] | shut, ok guys maybe i should go sorry |
| 00:18.13 | deny[all] | ok when i get it i connect to IRC with that machine and give u a shell so u can check, shut man, can't believe this |
| 00:18.49 | pickcoder | deny[all]: it's a known problem and if you found something that works, then by all means put in a factoid.. just make sure you specify your chipset make/model |
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| 00:20.06 | pickcoder | if the install got past the partitioning then I guess it will work |
| 00:20.18 | pickcoder | but so did my sata_sil setup |
| 00:20.20 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 00:20.29 | deny[all] | pickcoder:ok which data from the lpci u want? |
| 00:20.39 | pickcoder | paste the entire thing in a pastebin |
| 00:20.40 | Bogus8 | setup is asking me which kernel... 2.6 or 2.6.18 ...can I safely assume 2.6.18 is newer or is there some other difference I should be aware of? |
| 00:20.42 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 00:20.42 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:20.58 | Bogus8 | I'm running a knoppmyth box that is 2.6.18 now but that really doesn't help much |
| 00:21.21 | streuner | Bogus8: we support debian NOT knoppymyth |
| 00:21.22 | deny[all] | ok when it finish I paste all the lspci output |
| 00:21.55 | Bogus8 | streuner: I'm not asking about knoppmyth... simply stating what I have meddled with in the debian world in the past/present... I'm installing the lastest weekly test build |
| 00:22.05 | streuner | Bogus8: btw, you can install debain and use mythtv as well... |
| 00:22.22 | streuner | hm |
| 00:22.23 | pickcoder | streuner: I'm working on that... |
| 00:22.40 | Bogus8 | streuner: these are two completely seperate boxes with completely seperate purposes... only thing similar is same network and both are debain (or debain based) |
| 00:22.47 | deny[all] | pickcoder: Intel 82801EB |
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| 00:23.00 | streuner | hm |
| 00:23.15 | streuner | Bogus8: just choose 2.6.18 |
| 00:23.29 | Bogus8 | streuner: thanks... so 2.6 is essentially 2.6.0? |
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| 00:23.40 | streuner | metapackage |
| 00:24.09 | streuner | i don't know the difference, both should run 2.6.18 |
| 00:24.22 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 00:24.32 | deny[all] | ok i'm out this it's crap if u want believe it's ok if u don't want it's ok, but the community does not work like this |
| 00:24.34 | streuner | anyway, if you choose 2.6.18 you are using the latest kernel in d-i then... |
| 00:24.36 | Bogus8 | streuner: the weekly test of debian's installer is giving me that option |
| 00:24.46 | Bogus8 | streuner: ok... cool... thanks |
| 00:25.00 | Guerin | deny[all]: huh? |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | !tell deny[all] about u |
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| 00:26.20 | deny[all] | bye all |
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| 00:27.36 | streuner | Intel 82801EB sounds like the SATA controller |
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| 00:28.53 | streuner | and the SATA controller is NOT responsible for the CDROM drive... |
| 00:28.56 | predder | can someone recommend a cli dc client (pref debian packaged) |
| 00:29.22 | dvs | streuner: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:29.28 | dvs | That's what I have |
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| 00:30.30 | biopyte | hi. where can i look for some more fancy and unusual fonts? |
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| 00:31.15 | streuner | apt-cache search fonts? |
| 00:31.28 | biopyte | is there a special package you recommend |
| 00:31.43 | biopyte | streuner: too many hits |
| 00:31.47 | zog-vsl | hi, anyone know how to get the read/write speeds to the tape ( /dev/nstX etc) devs in linux? in solaris can use iostat but linux iostat doesnt report the tape devices |
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| 00:33.18 | inetd | . |
| 00:33.46 | streuner | !info xfonts-artwiz |
| 00:34.00 | dpkg | xfonts-artwiz: (x11 fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Erat), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 00:34.46 | biopyte | thank you |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | streuner: on some systems they are |
| 00:37.07 | inetd | zog-vsl: use -p for all block devices |
| 00:37.34 | biopyte | streuner: btw. no more in etch and couldnt find an equivalent. |
| 00:37.45 | Draconicus | How can I get the latest version of WINE? |
| 00:38.14 | streuner | biopyte: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:38.14 | inetd | Draconicus: wine.org? or go sync with testing |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | Draconicus: ask #winehq |
| 00:38.54 | jjazz | Draconicus: http://www.winehq.com/site/cvs |
| 00:39.46 | jetscreamer | ms.com |
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| 00:40.13 | BrianSteffens | what is the command to reload the options in fstab without rebooting? |
| 00:40.39 | streuner | man mount |
| 00:40.43 | BrianSteffens | ty |
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| 00:42.22 | opensores | I deleted apache2.conf, how can I get the default file back? |
| 00:42.25 | inetd | BrianSteffens: if you want to mount all...then mount -a |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | !tell opensores about confmiss |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | opensores: package is apache2-common |
| 00:42.39 | daxxar | !tell me about confmiss |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | !tell daxxar about selftell |
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| 00:43.44 | opensores | :D |
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| 00:44.31 | zog-vsl | inetd: thanks! |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | jjazz: oh .. sounds like a patch! |
| 00:45.09 | daxxar | It should send the tell *and* the !sefltell |
| 00:45.12 | daxxar | selftell, even. |
| 00:45.24 | jjazz | abrotman: Funny, I don't hear that. Must be drowned out by the giant roaring sound of laziness. |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:45.59 | jjazz | abrotman: Where's dpkg's source code, anyway? |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | the bot ? |
| 00:46.25 | jjazz | ya |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | blootbot.sf.net .. i think |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | jjazz: however .. i believe dondelelcaro has patched dpkg to differ from the official sources |
| 00:47.39 | jjazz | abrotman: Makes sense. |
| 00:48.21 | zog-vsl | inetd: st device no corresponding block device so no stats via iostat? |
| 00:48.40 | jjazz | !tell me about selftell |
| 00:48.52 | jelly-home | !smack jjazz |
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| 00:49.09 | adrakoa | without an upstream tarball , dupload fails... |
| 00:49.39 | azeem | adrakoa: so get one |
| 00:49.56 | adrakoa | :) |
| 00:49.59 | adrakoa | the orig ? |
| 00:50.27 | azeem | what do you mean with "the orig"? |
| 00:51.01 | azeem | dupload looks in your .changes or .dsc, if there is a .orig.tar.gz references it needs to be in the same directory for dupload to be successful |
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| 00:51.33 | adrakoa | it's all right |
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| 00:53.08 | chuckfromchan | is there an alternative to apt-get for redhat linux? |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | ask #redhat |
| 00:53.29 | chuckfromchan | i did and no one's responding |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | !apt4rpm |
| 00:53.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt4rpm is http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:53.47 | chuckfromchan | ok |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | maybe yum |
| 00:54.15 | karmatronic | chuckfromchan, yumex works better |
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| 00:58.38 | carlo | if i use fdisk to create a partition of the same size and place of an existing one, can i recovery that partition? |
| 00:59.20 | jelly-home | carlo: yes if you haven't formatted or otherwise written over the partition space itself |
| 00:59.31 | carlo | ok thanks |
| 00:59.37 | mylogic | does anyone know of a good opensource alternative to Quicken |
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| 01:00.07 | abrotman | GnuCash or sql-ledger .. depending on your needs |
| 01:00.10 | unlink | good? dunno. there's gnu cash |
| 01:00.23 | mylogic | hmm, thanks :) |
| 01:00.27 | jjazz | mylogic: Once you get over the learning curve, gnu cash is pretty good |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | i think thekompany.net had one too (but it's not free) |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | erm .. thekompany.com |
| 01:00.56 | mylogic | not looking to spend money, hence the reason I am getting a budgetting software, har ahr |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | it's called Kapital .. for future reference |
| 01:01.53 | jelly-home | Das Kapital? |
| 01:02.01 | unlink | So ist es. |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | i wonder how theKompany is doing financially |
| 01:02.57 | unlink | their partners are MySQL and ThinSoft. |
| 01:02.58 | unlink | go figure. |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | they're doing Nokia 770 apps now |
| 01:04.10 | jelly-home | how much does that gadget cost these days? |
| 01:04.11 | me_here | i found an ipadm script in my /tmp is that normal ? |
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| 01:06.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: they came out with a new version this week |
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| 01:07.20 | Bogus8 | Is there a place to find out what all is installed when you select "Desktop Enviroment" form the "Software Installation" part of the install? |
| 01:07.34 | abrotman | man tasksel |
| 01:07.44 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to keep this kind of tight and minimum as I only have 6 gigs on this laptop |
| 01:08.16 | Bogus8 | Should I maybe just install base and laptop then add X and the rest via apt after initial install is done? |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | Bogus8: if that's the case .. you might be better off installing piecemeal |
| 01:09.06 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Yeah, that's what I was kind of figuring because I doubt I'll be using KDE or anything "bloated" like that.. it's a 600mhz w/ 256mb of ram :) |
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| 01:11.25 | alvarezp | anybody has a newer-than-sid xorg server package? |
| 01:11.52 | jetscreamer | is that what that means |
| 01:12.05 | jetscreamer | saber si alguien ha hecho un paquete de xorg más nuevo que el que trae sid. |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | alvarezp: what's wrong with the one in sid ? |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wrong channel :) |
| 01:12.29 | jetscreamer | no i was identifying the target of my statement |
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| 01:13.00 | jetscreamer | my spanish really sucks |
| 01:13.14 | alvarezp | jetscreamer, yes, that's what it means. |
| 01:13.20 | alvarezp | abrotman, there is a bug in it. |
| 01:13.33 | alvarezp | Or --aparently-- there is a bug in it. |
| 01:13.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't fix it? |
| 01:13.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | alvarezp: which is ? |
| 01:14.37 | jetscreamer | what bug btw |
| 01:15.17 | dogmeat | what's the name of the network module to insmod, assuming i have a network interface hardware connected? |
| 01:15.36 | jetscreamer | use modprobenot insmod |
| 01:15.45 | dogmeat | k |
| 01:15.59 | jetscreamer | but that depends on your hardware |
| 01:16.06 | jetscreamer | as to what to modprobe |
| 01:16.33 | alvarezp | abrotman, jetscreamer, XkbGetKeyboard() appears to be broken. Xorg has a bug like that, but was fixed in... September, I guess? |
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| 01:16.56 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't fix it? |
| 01:17.04 | jetscreamer | alvarezp: ^ |
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| 01:17.58 | cld2 | anyone know if etch supports dmraid? the linux/nvida fake raid? also how do I enable linux md raid during install? thanks. |
| 01:18.00 | alvarezp | jetscreamer, ah... I'l try it... It's at home. |
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| 01:18.21 | jetscreamer | alvarezp: that one seems common lately |
| 01:18.27 | jetscreamer | very common |
| 01:19.15 | alvarezp | Yes. Ubuntu is broken. FC6 was too, I don't know if it still is... Arch is not broken. Debian *looks* broken. |
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| 01:19.42 | Shadowcat | what are we discussing? |
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| 01:19.54 | jetscreamer | ppl complain about kb not loading for xorg, that fixes it, alvarezp , here recently |
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| 01:20.13 | jetscreamer | on new installs |
| 01:20.19 | jetscreamer | (afaik) |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | alvarezp: i blame your keyboard! |
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| 01:20.40 | Shadowcat | I would hang gravity for the broken xorg postinstall script |
| 01:20.44 | Shadowcat | but... then we'd just have more bugs |
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| 01:21.09 | dargor__ | hey if i chroot to etch from a distro with a configured network card, will etch have net support |
| 01:21.13 | alvarezp | Shadowcat, XkbGetKeyboard() looks broken. It is giving me NULL. X.org had a bug, and has already fixed it, so my guess is that Debian got the bug. |
| 01:21.19 | adrakoa | debuild -sa -k0xxxx <- with it works.. |
| 01:21.39 | Shadowcat | I don't have a problem with the keyboard, I have a problem with the entire script |
| 01:21.41 | cwheeler | i'm looking for the docs on building an initrd with make-kpkg, the manpage doesn't tell me enough. i need the lvm tools to boot in it |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | alvarezp: do you know what the patch looks like ? |
| 01:21.50 | Shadowcat | I've resorted to writing my own xorg.conf files |
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| 01:21.56 | abrotman | cwheeler: --initrd |
| 01:22.17 | cwheeler | will that automatically put the stuff I need in it? |
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| 01:27.20 | abrotman | cwheeler: you can change what goes in the initrd |
| 01:27.29 | alvarezp | abrotman, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commitdiff;h=654619d76c779606f2315782fc01d1410399fa3b |
| 01:28.11 | alvarezp | abrotman, I just found it in bugs.debian.org! :-D http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394318 |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | can you tell that it has *not* been applied in debian ? |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | !prize alvarezp |
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| 01:29.27 | abrotman | alvarezp: it doesn't look like it has been applied anywhere yet |
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| 01:29.50 | mezoko | Hi |
| 01:29.59 | stoned | hi |
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| 01:30.02 | mezoko | I'm looking for someone that would be able to help me compile a kernel without an initrd and make it boot |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kernel ? |
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| 01:30.28 | abrotman | hey .. just the guy we want to see |
| 01:30.34 | stoned | lol |
| 01:30.35 | mezoko | abrotman, so I can boot the kernel from a cd and then load root from /dev/sda3 |
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| 01:30.52 | mezoko | its an external usb hard drive, and no the computer doesn't support booting from usb |
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| 01:31.04 | alvarezp | abrotman, how can I confirm this, other than downloading all Debian's xserver-xorg code and see if the patch applies correctly? |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | alvarezp: we might get lucky and find out |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | gravity: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394318 .. this bug is still unfixed in both etch and sid .. correct ? |
| 01:31.43 | mezoko | abrotman, without an initrd in my menu.lst it can't mount / |
| 01:32.01 | mezoko | and I get a kernel panic stating that there was vfs sync error or w/e |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | alvarezp: it appears etch/sid have the same version |
| 01:32.09 | mezoko | with a initrd it boots just find |
| 01:32.09 | amphi | mezoko: either use initrd or compile all required to mount / monolithically |
| 01:32.39 | gravity | abrotman: Right, I don't think we uploaded a fix for that... |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | gravity: and not likely for etch's release right ? |
| 01:32.54 | mezoko | amphi, yeah that what I tried to do, and it fails without the intrd part |
| 01:33.11 | jetscreamer | oh NOW you show up |
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| 01:33.16 | dendrite | mezoko: Do you understand what initrd does? |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're so needy |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 01:33.25 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 01:33.38 | gravity | abrotman: I'm not sure. I hadn't looked at the bug |
| 01:33.43 | gravity | abrotman: I'll have a look |
| 01:33.45 | mezoko | dendrite, a little bit |
| 01:33.47 | tempy | I want to block a domain from being browsed. How do I go about doing that? /etc/host.deny? IPTables? Is there a good place to goto to learn how in a few minutes? |
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| 01:34.06 | abrotman | gravity: alvarezp is asking about whether it's been fixed, and based on the bug, i'd say no |
| 01:34.15 | dendrite | mezoko: Well, in stock kernels, the drivers to mount disks, e.g., IDE and ext3 drivers, are on disk... Right? |
| 01:34.31 | dendrite | mezoko: You understand that, yes? |
| 01:34.41 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, it's possible that we did fix it. Rizzer did tag it pending, but I don't see a fix in the changelog |
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| 01:34.48 | gravity | jetscreamer: We're fixing that |
| 01:34.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. so fixed in svn, but not built into a package |
| 01:35.08 | gravity | abrotman: No, not that either. I'm not sure what happened. |
| 01:35.17 | mezoko | dendrite, yeah |
| 01:35.33 | treitter | is there any way to write a user-runnable script to run apt-get as root? |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | gravity: i blame Overfiend! |
| 01:35.38 | cwheeler | the initrd image is removed from ram after booting right? |
| 01:35.45 | dendrite | mezoko: OK, so now, the puzzle is how can a booting kernel access modules it needs to mount the disk. initrd is a small file system that does this. |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | treitter: yes, but you probably don't want to |
| 01:35.51 | gravity | heh |
| 01:36.02 | jetscreamer | but wtg |
| 01:36.07 | treitter | (making apt-get setuid root doesn't work, since it calls some other programs, which don't inherit the root privs) |
| 01:36.09 | jetscreamer | (in a good way) |
| 01:36.11 | mezoko | dendrite, yeah, but I want a monothlic kenerl due to my hackis way of doing things |
| 01:36.28 | dendrite | mezoko: So, to avoid initrd, all the drivers you need to boot have to be compiled "monolithically" in the kernel; Y instead of M. |
| 01:36.29 | cld2 | abrotman: do you know if eth supports dmraid out of the box? and if there is anyway to have it recognize my md raid array during install? thanks. |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | cld2: AFAIK .. it does .. i don't use swraid |
| 01:36.46 | treitter | abrotman: yeah - it's not ideal, but I need a system to automatically update itself. Otherwise, I need to have cron run apt-get directly |
| 01:36.52 | mezoko | dendrite, and that what i did, though it yells at me and says it unable to mount the root fs |
| 01:36.55 | mezoko | :-/ |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
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| 01:37.00 | abrotman | !apt-cron |
| 01:37.02 | dendrite | mezoko: So you left something out. |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman | bah .. it's there somewhere! |
| 01:37.06 | jetscreamer | cron-apt |
| 01:37.12 | jetscreamer | !info cron-apt |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.13 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | !info cron-apt sarge |
| 01:37.19 | dendrite | mezoko: File system drivers? Disk architecture? |
| 01:37.23 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 01:37.29 | mezoko | dendrite, file system in their |
| 01:37.39 | mezoko | dendrite, if i use a initrd, the module should show up in lsmod right? |
| 01:37.44 | dendrite | mezoko: And hardware, such as IDE, or ATAPI? |
| 01:37.49 | treitter | abrotman: awesome. Thanks! |
| 01:37.53 | mezoko | dendrite, SUB |
| 01:37.56 | alvarezp | abrotman, should I bump the bug in bugs.debian.org? |
| 01:37.56 | mezoko | blah |
| 01:37.57 | mezoko | USB |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | treitter: you realize this could mess up your box right ? |
| 01:38.05 | dendrite | mezoko: And if you want to run from thumbdrive, then USB, and maybe some SCSI type stuff. |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | alvarezp: gravity is looking at it now i believe |
| 01:38.15 | mezoko | yeah I'll have to paly with it |
| 01:38.16 | gravity | In a little bit. |
| 01:38.17 | treitter | abrotman: yeah. This is in a strictly controlled environment, though |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | gravity: slacker! :) |
| 01:38.24 | treitter | abrotman: not just my own machine |
| 01:38.36 | dendrite | mezoko: Does it run now, with initrd? |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | treitter: the newer packages could introduce bugs that are bad ... |
| 01:38.50 | mezoko | dendrite, yeah |
| 01:38.58 | cld2 | also, anyone school me on enterprise management of debian? do I use kickstart to do a hands free auto build? and what do I need to do to become a repo for my boxes? thanks. |
| 01:39.02 | dendrite | mezoko: Then us lsmod to see what modules are loaded, and make sure they all make sense. |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | !tell cld2 about fai |
| 01:39.12 | treitter | abrotman: yeah. This is a custom repo, and all the packages get a lot of QA before hitting the auto-update repo |
| 01:39.12 | dendrite | mezoko: Then *use*, even. |
| 01:39.14 | mezoko | dendrite, ok |
| 01:39.16 | abrotman | !tell cld2 about apt-proxy |
| 01:39.17 | cld2 | abrotman: thanks much. |
| 01:39.23 | mezoko | dendrite, use even? |
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| 01:39.32 | abrotman | gravity: use newbs to carry patches around |
| 01:39.38 | gravity | Nice |
| 01:39.41 | dendrite | mezoko: Not "us lsmod", "use lsmod" -- I was correcting a typo. |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | treitter: oh ok |
| 01:39.49 | Dewi | treitter: why are you trying to escalate privs instead of just using root's crontab? |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | Dewi: stop with logic! |
| 01:40.16 | mezoko | oh, heh |
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| 01:40.27 | treitter | abrotman: thanks for the warnings, though. If I'm doing anything stupid, I'd like to figure out a better solution |
| 01:40.29 | Dewi | treitter: oh, you mentioned that |
| 01:40.39 | Dewi | treitter: why isn't cron running apt-get directly? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | treitter: having users do it probably isn't much better :) |
| 01:40.49 | mezoko | dendrite, there nothing, expect my sound stuff and my wifi driver :-/ |
| 01:40.54 | treitter | Dewi: I just asked that to another developer. I'm tangentially involved right now |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | treitter: oh no .. developers are making decisions?! |
| 01:41.09 | dendrite | mezoko: This with the usb drive attached? |
| 01:41.15 | mezoko | dendrite, yep |
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| 01:41.35 | abrotman | treitter: cron-apt would work just as well as making your own cron task |
| 01:41.39 | mezoko | dendrite, boots of the usb drive with the initrd set in menu.lst, I remove the initrd, it won't boot |
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| 01:41.56 | cld2 | abrotman: is apt-proxy something for just having a download once install many? how would I become the repo so only things I put on the repo server will get installed? like If I wanted to test and then make available a few backports? thanks. |
| 01:41.58 | treitter | abrotman: yeah :) - these systems lock the one user into X, and they won't have a keyboard, so they shouldn't be able to execute arbitrary commands. But we're still trying to avoid blatently-risky things all the same |
| 01:41.59 | mezoko | only modules listed with the initrd are sound and wirless which I compiled as modules in the kernel :-/ |
| 01:42.05 | karmatronic | my workspace settings are not saved in gnome |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | cld2: oh .. you'd make your own repository |
| 01:42.15 | dendrite | mezoko: Well, if you build a kernel with initrd, it requires the initrd image, even if all the code is monolithic. |
| 01:42.19 | treitter | abrotman: not apt-get developers |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | !tell cld2 about repositoty |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | treitter: i realize :) |
| 01:42.29 | dendrite | mezoko: You have to actually build a kernel that has no initrd. |
| 01:42.29 | mezoko | dendrite, where is the opition set? |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | !tell cld2 about repository |
| 01:42.38 | karmatronic | seems like a sawfish +workspace_switcapplet problem |
| 01:42.38 | mezoko | dendrite, yeah I want to build a kernel with no initrd |
| 01:42.44 | cld2 | abrotman: thanks again. |
| 01:42.55 | dendrite | mezoko: At build time, and there are build options in make config. |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | cld2: apt-proxy is for downloading once for many machines .. |
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| 01:43.17 | cld2 | abrotman: thats what I thought. thanks for all the good info |
| 01:43.21 | treitter | abrotman: I'm sure I would've gotten similar exasperations to yours a while ago if that were the case :) |
| 01:43.32 | amphi | mezoko: use / to search for options in make menuconfig |
| 01:43.40 | dendrite | mezoko: Look for the config option for initrd support. Then just don't use the --initrd flag to make-kpkg. |
| 01:44.03 | mezoko | dendrite, make-kpkg, whats that? |
| 01:44.05 | dendrite | amphi: How long has *that* search feature been there? |
| 01:44.25 | dendrite | mezoko: make-kpkg is the Debian way to build kernels. It creates a kernel.deb, that allows easy management of kernels. |
| 01:44.48 | amphi | dendrite: a while ;) I think it was in 2.4, but I could be wrong |
| 01:45.11 | dendrite | mezoko: If you're building using the stock make, or whatever, then just be sure to unset the initrd stuff. |
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| 01:45.22 | dendrite | amphi: Damn! I sure could have used that. :-) |
| 01:45.23 | john___ | fatal server error, no screens found |
| 01:45.37 | dendrite | !prize john___ |
| 01:45.43 | mezoko | dendrite, I see it, I think that might be my problem |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | john___: look farther up the log |
| 01:45.50 | john___ | I just did a fresh install 10 minutes ago, did apt-get install x-window-system xserver-xorg gnome; and when I do /etc/init.d/gdm restart; it gives me no screens fatal error |
| 01:45.55 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:45.58 | amphi | dendrite: heh; I found it by accident, a misplaced reflex that turned out not to be |
| 01:46.02 | factotum | what do I edit to change the name of the work group my computer is on? |
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| 01:46.17 | factotum | or is it domain name...duuh, osrry |
| 01:46.20 | dendrite | amphi: Nice. =) |
| 01:46.22 | factotum | sorry even |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | factotum: for samba ? |
| 01:46.29 | john___ | jetscreamer: That is the only EE there is, no screens one |
| 01:46.42 | jetscreamer | john___: if that's an etch install you just want to install the xorg package |
| 01:46.46 | factotum | well, i have 2 comps through a router, a mac and this pc with debian |
| 01:46.59 | factotum | i want to get some dir sharing set up between the two |
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| 01:47.04 | mezoko | dendrite, thanks, I'll let you know how things turn out for me |
| 01:47.11 | dendrite | mezoko: Good luck! |
| 01:47.11 | mezoko | dendrite, I have no hard drive in this laptop atm |
| 01:47.19 | jetscreamer | john___: hwinfo for the refresh rates of your monitor is a possible cause/fix |
| 01:47.22 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 01:47.22 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 01:47.24 | dendrite | mezoko: =8-o |
| 01:47.27 | mezoko | so i got to use a external usb one, and the laptop doesn't support booting from usb :-/ |
| 01:47.40 | john___ | jetscreamer: I thought of that, I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and put 800x600 and 60 hertz |
| 01:47.42 | karmatronic | factotum, smb.conf |
| 01:47.55 | dendrite | mezoko: Ah. Maybe pass it off as a security feature! :-) |
| 01:47.55 | factotum | ah alright, so it is samba then... |
| 01:48.01 | amphi | mezoko: smart boot manager may support booting from usb |
| 01:48.02 | factotum | thank you |
| 01:48.13 | jetscreamer | not sure w/o a better error msg, john___ :/ |
| 01:48.20 | mezoko | amphi, well I got it working with grub :-) |
| 01:48.33 | amphi | mezoko: good-oh |
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| 01:50.53 | netdaemon | hm |
| 01:50.59 | netdaemon | never knew about hwinfo... |
| 01:51.07 | mezoko | dendrite, still no luck :-/ |
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| 01:52.37 | dendrite | mezoko: A kernel build in 4 minutes? Nice. |
| 01:53.04 | mezoko | dendrite, it was a rebuild, so almost everything was already compiled |
| 01:53.16 | dendrite | mezoko: Mmmkay. |
| 01:53.33 | dendrite | mezoko: Same failure, unable to mount root fs? |
| 01:53.42 | mezoko | It says Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(2,0) |
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| 01:53.50 | mezoko | but if I pass the initrd, I have not problem |
| 01:53.57 | john___ | jetscreamer: That just outputted a lot of garbage |
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| 01:54.09 | dendrite | mezoko: What do you mean by "pass the initrd" ? |
| 01:54.19 | cwheeler | is there a source package for the non-free nvidia kernel module? how do i find it? |
| 01:54.23 | mezoko | initrd = /boot/initrd |
| 01:54.35 | amphi | mezoko: you perhaps left out ide support or summat like that |
| 01:54.37 | DerJamster | mezoko: hmmh..rebuilds can be tricky with kernels :> unless you just added some modules, I suggest a make mrproper (save your .config fist), just to be safe. |
| 01:54.39 | dendrite | mezoko: That means you're still building a kernel that includes an initrd image. |
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| 01:54.51 | abrotman | cwheeler: as in .. totally open ? |
| 01:54.56 | mezoko | actually now it failing all together |
| 01:54.58 | mezoko | damit!! |
| 01:55.03 | aRJAy | Simple question: I have debian loaded. How do I find out what kind of hardware config I've got on the machine?? ::) |
| 01:55.07 | mezoko | oh dam vmware |
| 01:55.14 | mezoko | wasn't detecting the drive this time around |
| 01:55.15 | dendrite | mezoko: And you have to build a kernel that does not know anything about any ol' initrd. |
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| 01:55.44 | john___ | How can I paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to #flood with cli and irssi? |
| 01:55.57 | karmatronic | solved the damn workspaces issue ! |
| 01:55.59 | geo-rge | dendrite: you can either boot from the symlink off / (/vmlinuz, /initrd) which is usually the last kernel package installed, or look in /boot and do it specifically |
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| 01:56.21 | mezoko | dendrite, yeah that what I tried doing I removed the kernel opition |
| 01:56.21 | dendrite | geo-rge: mezoko Is trying to build and boot a non-initrd kernel. |
| 01:56.21 | aRJAy | anyone? :) |
| 01:56.31 | mezoko | grr, no it won't boot at all!!! |
| 01:56.34 | cwheeler | abrotman no the kernel module for the closed source stuff from nividia.com |
| 01:56.48 | cwheeler | not the one in the kernel source tree |
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| 01:56.53 | abrotman | !tell cwheeler about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:56.56 | john___ | i810(0): NO video bios modes for chosen depth |
| 01:56.57 | john___ | eh? |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | choose a different depth |
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| 01:57.08 | amphi | aRJAy: lspci is useful |
| 01:57.08 | simmerz | what is the best way to check if an nfs mount is mounted? |
| 01:57.25 | jetscreamer | some i810's only do 16bit |
| 01:57.27 | aRJAy | amphi: is that a command or a program? |
| 01:57.44 | amphi | aRJAy: a program |
| 01:57.45 | mezoko | grr!!! |
| 01:58.02 | aRJAy | amphi: how do I go about getting it? :) |
| 01:58.05 | jetscreamer | john___: i think screen will do the cli/paste thing |
| 01:58.23 | cwheeler | abrotman I need the source to nvidia.ko because i compiled my own kernel |
| 01:58.27 | jetscreamer | simmerz: type mount |
| 01:58.28 | mezoko | grr dammit!!! |
| 01:58.32 | john___ | ok, I changed it from 24 to 16, and gdm starts now |
| 01:58.33 | simmerz | jetscreamer: in a bash script |
| 01:58.36 | aRJAy | amphi: ahh.. It's already there :) |
| 01:58.36 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: eh? |
| 01:58.37 | simmerz | sorry, didn't qualify |
| 01:58.41 | jetscreamer | ah no i dunno |
| 01:58.47 | john___ | But my screen is only a small fraction of the whole monitor |
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| 01:58.52 | john___ | (I'm on a laptop) |
| 01:59.02 | YeTr2 | I need a few suggestions for well supported 802.11g wireless pci adapter cards. |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | cwheeler: okay .. what dpkg told you won't work ? |
| 01:59.15 | cwheeler | one must compile nvidia.ko for one's kernel or use one compiled for the kernel |
| 01:59.22 | mezoko | I can't wait till I can by my actual hard drive |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | YeTr2: try #wireless |
| 01:59.33 | jetscreamer | john___: hwinfo now maybe and supply the refresh rates when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:59.35 | cwheeler | what dpkg told me won't work because i compiled my own kernel |
| 01:59.42 | Guerin | YeTr2: ralink chipset, on often dynalink cards |
| 01:59.47 | aRJAy | hmmmm lspci doesn't give me enough info I don't think. Anything else? |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | cwheeler: then i guess you should ask #nvidia |
| 01:59.50 | Guerin | s/on often/often on/ |
| 01:59.53 | cwheeler | the nvidia module i downloaded won't work with that kernel |
| 01:59.53 | jetscreamer | my god man just use the .run |
| 02:00.18 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: download.nvidia.com |
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| 02:01.11 | cwheeler | so there's no debian package which was my question? |
| 02:01.54 | jetscreamer | well there is |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | not in etch though iirc |
| 02:02.09 | jetscreamer | that may have changed though |
| 02:02.25 | jetscreamer | !find nvidia-glx etch |
| 02:02.31 | cwheeler | if there is one how would I go about looking for it? |
| 02:02.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia-glx' (3): (/etc/init.d/nvidia-glx, /etc/default/nvidia-glx) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy, /etc/default/nvidia-glx-legacy) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy ;; (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/nvidia-glx) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx,non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy. |
| 02:02.39 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | cwheeler: i todl you about it |
| 02:02.56 | jetscreamer | there is also nvidia-kernel-something |
| 02:03.07 | john___ | jetscreamer: 60 hertz is the lowest I can put the refresh rate..and it still only uses a small faction of my monitor. |
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| 02:03.21 | john___ | jetscreamer: Even in vt2(irssI), I'm only using a small faction of the monitor. |
| 02:03.26 | jetscreamer | john___: not that refresh rate |
| 02:03.31 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 02:03.31 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 02:03.33 | cwheeler | i'm still confused by debian stuff |
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| 02:03.59 | john___ | jetscreamer: hwinfo --monitor returns no output |
| 02:04.18 | jetscreamer | john___: VertRefresh50-120HorizSync31-70 |
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| 02:04.21 | jetscreamer | that kind |
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| 02:04.32 | jetscreamer | john___: try it as root |
| 02:04.39 | john___ | jetscreamer: I did try it as root. |
| 02:04.39 | dn4 | Does anyone know of a Sony Cybershot DSC-T10 will work through usb on debian ? |
| 02:04.54 | jetscreamer | but it's a laptop lcd... not sure. |
| 02:04.59 | Guerin | dn4: google knows |
| 02:05.05 | jetscreamer | john___: what model laptop |
| 02:05.15 | john___ | jetscreamer: A dell inspiron 1100 |
| 02:05.29 | streuner | dn4: well, that's a problem, IIRC: |
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| 02:06.04 | m0rbid | <3 splashy |
| 02:06.11 | streuner | dn4: but you can always use a cardreader... |
| 02:06.16 | m0rbid | I just had to say that random retarded remark. |
| 02:06.42 | m0rbid | Damn, you have any idea how long I have been coming to this channel? |
| 02:06.47 | jetscreamer | john___: it 'might' be HorizSync 31.5 - 48.5 VertRefresh 59.0 - 75.0 for that |
| 02:07.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=dell+inspiron+1100+lcd+refresh+rate |
| 02:07.02 | m0rbid | fricken years... and some of you olders are still aaround. |
| 02:07.36 | dn4 | there is some program for usb viewing that can mount the card and access the files on there, any idea what the name of it is? |
| 02:07.56 | streuner | lsusb? |
| 02:08.14 | streuner | forget that, IIRC this camera isn't supported well |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | m0rbid: you're picking on us ? |
| 02:08.22 | streuner | look at the gphoto website |
| 02:08.33 | Dewi | is there a program in debian that will buy me new coffee when it runs out? Because if not, debian sucks. |
| 02:08.33 | john___ | jetscreamer: nope, gdm still loads and I can login to gnome etc, but only the middle of the screen is in use. most of the screen stays black, on vt7(gdm) and vt2(irssi) |
| 02:08.36 | dn4 | streuner, what is this IIRC you speak of |
| 02:08.40 | streuner | !iirc |
| 02:08.41 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | Dewi: did you write one ? |
| 02:08.47 | Dewi | abrotman: no :( |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | slacker |
| 02:08.53 | Dewi | abrotman: and now I can't because I'm out of coffee |
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| 02:09.17 | Guerin | hm, are intel pro 2100 wireless cards supported in mainline kernel nowadays? |
| 02:09.25 | jetscreamer | john___: something that worked but i wasn't happy with, on a toshiba, was toset the 'stretch' in the laptop's bios |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | Guerin: firmware still IIRC |
| 02:09.42 | m0rbid | abrotman: funny, your one of them too. You've been here forever, & you too jetscreamer. |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | i have? |
| 02:09.52 | Guerin | abrotman: so the module in the kernel works once I give it an evil firmware blob? |
| 02:09.53 | jetscreamer | another thing was to use the fbdev driver |
| 02:09.54 | streuner | yeah, the 'fine' firmware makes headaches ;-) |
| 02:09.54 | m0rbid | Bob2 still around? |
| 02:09.58 | jetscreamer | which i was happier with |
| 02:10.01 | streuner | !seen bob2 |
| 02:10.02 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 139d 1h 42m 8s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | Guerin: should |
| 02:10.04 | jetscreamer | bob2 defected to ubuntu |
| 02:10.09 | Guerin | m0rbid: haven't seen him in a year or several |
| 02:10.14 | amphi | Guerin: yeah, in etch's kernel |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. he's gone off IRC |
| 02:10.15 | streuner | mOrb: why do you ask? |
| 02:10.20 | jetscreamer | yeah now he is |
| 02:10.33 | streuner | m0rbid: why do you ask, anyway? |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he has been for a long time |
| 02:10.37 | m0rbid | streuner: he helped me out alot, really got me into nix. |
| 02:10.43 | jetscreamer | i miss mwilson ! |
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| 02:11.13 | streuner | he is sometimes in #bash, and a OP in #linux (unternet) |
| 02:11.29 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw him a few months ago in #bash |
| 02:11.33 | streuner | or just use ircsearch.com to find out |
| 02:11.41 | m0rbid | ahhh. is he on the devel team for ubuntu? or just a follower? |
| 02:11.51 | amphi | jetscreamer: ;) |
| 02:11.52 | streuner | bob2? |
| 02:12.08 | jetscreamer | they made him an op in #ubuntu,but then later he seems to have dissappeared, if you mean bob2 |
| 02:12.31 | loopdee | for gnome, in preferences/ remote destop, i think thats vino, is there a way to change the port it runs on ? |
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| 02:12.52 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: yeah. odd, thought he was deb for life. |
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| 02:13.18 | osiris | hi all its me again |
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| 02:13.23 | gravity | I don't think bob2 defected. He vanished. |
| 02:13.29 | john____ | jetscreamer: I disconnected, last message I got was the refresh rates to try for you |
| 02:13.38 | jetscreamer | john___: something that worked but i wasn't happy with, on a toshiba, was toset the 'stretch' in the laptop's bios |
| 02:13.42 | osiris | how can i set the rights for a folder? |
| 02:13.44 | gravity | streuner: You see bob2 in other channels? Or mwilson? |
| 02:13.46 | jetscreamer | another thing was to use the fbdev driver |
| 02:13.53 | jetscreamer | mnwilson yes |
| 02:13.56 | jetscreamer | bob2 no |
| 02:13.59 | gravity | :-( |
| 02:14.01 | gravity | Ok |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | gravity: supposedly bob2 has shown up on IRC under another nick |
| 02:14.05 | streuner | gravity: ircsearch.com should tell you... |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | gravity: but rarely |
| 02:14.07 | jetscreamer | and greycat too |
| 02:14.10 | osiris | i copied my mp3 from win to linux and now i cant aacces |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i see greycat all the time |
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| 02:14.46 | streuner | gravity: someone told us, he's fine. |
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| 02:14.52 | amphi | jetscreamer: mwilson is as ever? ;) |
| 02:14.53 | m0rbid | yeah, holy schmokes.. him too. greycat |
| 02:14.56 | gravity | streuner: That's good. I miss him. |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | streuner: i think cafuego has talked to him |
| 02:15.14 | streuner | yeah |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | maybe it was caphuso |
| 02:15.16 | jetscreamer | mwilson followed me into ##windows once, and did his thing... but it just wasn't the same :/ |
| 02:15.18 | jelly-home | m0rbid: you can find greycat in #bash, fwiw |
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| 02:15.27 | m0rbid | and cafuego |
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| 02:15.29 | m0rbid | heh |
| 02:15.30 | jetscreamer | yeh greycat is heavy in #bash |
| 02:15.31 | m0rbid | strange |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | greycat is probably in #openbsd or #obsd too |
| 02:16.00 | streuner | gravity: really odd, if you think about how much time he spent in #debian, and the next day all things are over.... |
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| 02:16.27 | gravity | streuner: Yeah |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | streuner: others have vanished too |
| 02:16.50 | jetscreamer | maybe they got a life... |
| 02:16.53 | m0rbid | I'm making somoe splashy themes for Debian. Don't know if they would want to add them to the splashy-themes pkg or not, but Ill have them out and about anywho. |
| 02:17.03 | john____ | jetscreamer: fbdev doesn't work, neither does vesa. |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you ahve a wife and kids! |
| 02:17.21 | jetscreamer | hence 'no life' |
| 02:17.22 | m0rbid | then I feel his pain. |
| 02:17.28 | m0rbid | exactly. |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you could like .. go throw things at them :) |
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| 02:18.02 | jetscreamer | john___: only thing i can think of is 'is the 'stretch' set in the bios' (if it's even an option) |
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| 02:18.27 | outlaw84 | I am using Debian and after the last time Iceweasel got upgraded, my mozilla compiled firefox 2.0.0.1 stoped being able to resolve dns |
| 02:18.30 | jetscreamer | john___: thatdoesn'tmean it's notfixable, just that i don't know how |
| 02:18.39 | outlaw84 | I can access sites that are in my /etc/hosts or if I typ in an IP into firefox... but for some reason its unable to resolve adresses on its own |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | outlaw84: BTS is a good place to start |
| 02:19.03 | outlaw84 | and after that? |
| 02:19.20 | outlaw84 | I have allready tryed BTS |
| 02:20.07 | Guerin | outlaw84: file a bug against iceweasel |
| 02:20.12 | jetscreamer | john___: http://www.google.com/linux?q=dell+inspiron+1100+lcd+refresh+rate&restrict=linux |
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| 02:20.59 | outlaw84 | It just seams so strange that iceweasel blasted mozilla firefoxes dns abitity :S |
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| 02:21.48 | streuner | gravity: you should ask 'some' people who should know about better... |
| 02:21.53 | Guerin | outlaw84: yes, that is a bit fucked. |
| 02:21.54 | amphi | john___: also linux-laptop.net/tuxmobil.org may have info |
| 02:22.16 | ejot | im having trouble with fcgid/apache2. . well.. it works... is it considered safe to have an unix socketfile 0600 (for fcgid)? i guess so? |
| 02:22.18 | gravity | streuner: I have. No one in Debian knows. I don't think anyone from Canonical knows either. |
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| 02:22.47 | streuner | hm, they don't tell you the whole truth |
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| 02:23.27 | jetscreamer | john___: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/i810-HOWTO.html |
| 02:23.57 | abrotman | streuner: ask cafuego ... or i think don knows |
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| 02:25.33 | jetscreamer | nm that last |
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| 02:26.27 | abrotman | streuner: he had a domain too ... |
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| 02:30.22 | abrotman | streuner: which is now gone ... |
| 02:30.36 | streuner | yeah, odd |
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| 02:32.06 | streuner | but guys, don't forget, there are people who are really consequente in there decisions... |
| 02:32.52 | factotum | anyone have experiences with gftp locking up on etch? |
| 02:33.07 | factotum | just a dead lock and I have to force quit it |
| 02:33.11 | jetscreamer | factotum: i had that a looong time ago |
| 02:33.14 | jetscreamer | but i run sid |
| 02:33.29 | jetscreamer | and it doens't do it anymore |
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| 02:33.38 | factotum | hmm okie dokie |
| 02:34.03 | nvz | what kind of speech recognition software do we have in debian? |
| 02:34.11 | factotum | ftp through bash works so its no biggie, just curious |
| 02:34.21 | blahdeblah_ | hi folks. Is there a way to find out a list of packages on my system that i've specifically requested? i.e. like dpkg --get-selections minus anything that was installed as a dependency |
| 02:34.40 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: eh? |
| 02:34.53 | Guerin | you mean not auto-installed packages? |
| 02:35.21 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: Yep |
| 02:35.41 | peterrooney | blahdeblah_: history | grep apt-get\ install |
| 02:36.02 | blahdeblah_ | peterrooney: Not funny |
| 02:36.25 | blahdeblah_ | Doesn't matter how big it is, it eventually runs out. |
| 02:36.30 | jetscreamer | not when rm .bash_history is an option |
| 02:36.31 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: i think aptitude can do this. apt-get doesn't keep track of auto-installed stuff, but aptitude does. |
| 02:36.35 | Guerin | unsure how, though |
| 02:36.35 | blahdeblah_ | Especially for command-line junkies like me. |
| 02:36.46 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: Yeah - i thought that might be the answer. |
| 02:36.47 | peterrooney | blahdeblah_: true. i was trying to be funny. sorry it fell flat |
| 02:37.42 | grummund | there's an article on debian-admin howto keep bash history forever |
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| 02:37.55 | blahdeblah_ | peterrooney: no problem - i'm just not in a humourous mood. :-) |
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| 02:38.39 | osiris | how can i set chmod for afolder and all subfolders? |
| 02:38.52 | MoDaX | osiris: chmod -R |
| 02:38.52 | streuner | osiris: man chmod |
| 02:39.02 | streuner | osiris: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 02:39.05 | osiris | wanna set 777 for all included files |
| 02:39.09 | osiris | danke |
| 02:39.21 | blahdeblah_ | grummund: That really doesn't help much - my machine is over 2 years old, and i definitely haven't got the history back far enough for it to count. |
| 02:39.56 | MoDaX | blahdeblah_: and you don't use aptitude, do you? |
| 02:39.57 | peterrooney | blahdeblah_: i munged up an ugly script using deborphan... what i did, was , for each package, apt-get --recon purge <pkg> | l wc -l to see how many would be removed. |
| 02:40.18 | grummund | blahdeblah_: i know, sorry... ;) |
| 02:40.48 | blahdeblah_ | MoDaX: no - aptitude is a little too aggressive at bringing in packages for my liking |
| 02:40.59 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: then you're fux0red :) |
| 02:41.03 | blahdeblah_ | peterrooney: thanks |
| 02:41.11 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: hint: turn off recommends |
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| 02:41.52 | jelly-home | blahdeblah_: I'm using aptitude exclusively now, and the last thing before going to aptitude was to have a nice long session with debfoster |
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| 02:42.26 | osiris | streuner: thanks a lot |
| 02:42.28 | jelly-home | blahdeblah_: debfoster keeps only those packages you tell it to and removes everything else |
| 02:42.36 | streuner | np |
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| 02:42.55 | Bogus8 | is there a site that list the windows managers and maybe rank them or something... I'm looking for something light but fun (600mhz laptop w/ 256mb ram and 6gig hd) |
| 02:43.14 | jetscreamer | icewm, xfce4 |
| 02:43.17 | jetscreamer | others |
| 02:43.22 | phorce1_ | Anyone know whay a system would hang at "starting syslogd"? No drive activity, no nothing. Just stops. |
| 02:43.24 | jelly-home | Bogus8: anything but kde or gnome :-) |
| 02:43.29 | blahdeblah_ | Bogus8: icewm rocks no matter what platform you're using it on. |
| 02:43.31 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: word to that |
| 02:43.35 | phorce1_ | s/whay/why |
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| 02:43.45 | amphi | Bogus8: openbox |
| 02:43.45 | mezoko | Hi |
| 02:43.46 | blahdeblah_ | jelly-home: You can use icewm or other wms with GNOME |
| 02:43.49 | mezoko | How do I make a initrd image? |
| 02:44.10 | peterrooney | blahdeblah_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5039 for what i use |
| 02:44.13 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah_: that is on the list of things to check out... just wondering what sort of HD space and memory space it will take up (in default form as I understand these things change as I tweak things) |
| 02:44.17 | jelly-home | blahdeblah_: it's not just the wm |
| 02:44.58 | phorce1_ | nevermind, it took almost 5 minutes to get past "starting syslogd" guess I need to look at the size of the log file (mail server). |
| 02:45.03 | blahdeblah_ | Bogus8: I recently installed xfce4 on a machine for my mum with C667 & 192 Mb - works fine, if a little slow compared to my Core 2 Duo. ;-) |
| 02:45.20 | Guerin | Bogus8: how much functionality/bling do you need? (0 = console; 10 = kde with all the trimmings) |
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| 02:45.41 | Bogus8 | I guess the best thing is just try them out... but I don't want a bunch of leftover crap when I am done... is it safe to say apt will remove everythint but maybe the .*winmkr* files in my home? |
| 02:45.43 | jetscreamer | mezoko: by passing --initrd to make-kpkg when you compile, and there is a way to do it with mkinitrd i believe |
| 02:45.51 | Bogus8 | so I can easily clean up when I know I don't like whatever one |
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| 02:46.05 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: I tried aptitude without recommends and i still couldn't get it to do what i want - obviously i need to research it more. |
| 02:46.06 | Guerin | Bogus8: yeh, pretty much. |
| 02:46.07 | jetscreamer | it's safe to say apt probably won't touch anything in ~ but i'm not sure |
| 02:46.13 | blahdeblah_ | jelly-home: Thanks for the tip on debfoster - will check it out. |
| 02:46.14 | dn4 | Does anyone know a good card reader that is compatable with debian/linux |
| 02:46.27 | blahdeblah_ | dn4: Anything USB should be fine. |
| 02:46.35 | Guerin | dn4: the 1970s wants its data storage medium back |
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| 02:46.50 | blahdeblah_ | dn4: I have a LaCie |
| 02:47.05 | Bogus8 | Guerin: honestly I've never really ran a full blown desktop on *nix before (atleast not on a NICE system).. I mainly use CLI and ssh from windows boxes to my servers |
| 02:47.14 | Guerin | noes! |
| 02:47.16 | jelly-home | Bogus8: I hear wmaker is nice. I used something called afterstep that had the look of *step and Pager stolen from fvwm. fvwm2 is nice too. |
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| 02:47.17 | blahdeblah_ | asg, Guerin: simmer down, boys! :-) |
| 02:47.21 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah_: I have used XFce and liked it a lot |
| 02:47.22 | jetscreamer | man i read the hollerith system was used for the jews in the concentration camps.. i didn't know it had been around since the 1800's |
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| 02:47.34 | blahdeblah_ | Bogus8: It seems to work very well. |
| 02:47.35 | jetscreamer | or was that 1700's |
| 02:47.47 | phorce1_ | OH -- something has definitely gone "sideways" today at some point. syslog is a bit over 2Gig it's usually just under 2Gig daily before rotating at midnight. I think I need to separate some of the things getting logged in there. |
| 02:47.50 | Guerin | Bogus8: for minimalist beauty, look at evilwm. No window dressing, just functionality. Also no configurability :) |
| 02:48.06 | asg | Bogus8: or ion3 |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | blackbox all the way! |
| 02:48.27 | mezoko | when I try to make a initrd it tells me it can't find the scsi module |
| 02:48.29 | dn4 | Guerin, 1970s really? Did Neil Young or Crosby, Stills, or Nash have anything to do with that ? |
| 02:48.33 | mezoko | well I don't want to have scsi as a module! |
| 02:48.34 | jelly-home | ratpoison! |
| 02:48.46 | jelly-home | !start a wm war |
| 02:48.46 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 02:48.50 | jelly-home | fuck |
| 02:48.54 | jetscreamer | then tell it y in menuconfig, mezoko |
| 02:49.03 | blahdeblah_ | bring on the wm war! |
| 02:49.05 | blahdeblah_ | http://xwinman.org/ |
| 02:49.08 | Guerin | dn4: if they had, it's probably still be in use today :) |
| 02:49.19 | phorce1_ | ouch. Postfix and Amavis are logging to syslog as well as the mail logs. |
| 02:49.22 | mezoko | jetscreamer, tell what in menuconfig, I got it as compiled in, in menuconfig |
| 02:50.06 | geo-rge | what do you see there? [m] [*] |
| 02:50.11 | Bogus8 | I love all the opinions that fly out when you ask for window managers... which is why I dind't ask "which is best" but wanted a list of "stats" so to speak... I know what a can of worms this is ;) |
| 02:50.12 | mezoko | [*] |
| 02:50.25 | jetscreamer | <mezoko> well I don't want to have scsi as a module! if you told it y, you shouldn't have it as a module |
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| 02:50.35 | blahdeblah_ | Bogus8: Check out the link i posted |
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| 02:50.46 | mezoko | jetscreamer, does it look in /usr/src/linux? |
| 02:50.59 | asg | geo-rge: no worse than having a mlm called 'Enemies of Carlotta' |
| 02:51.00 | dbe | Where can I find the source code for the ebook `Free Software, Free Society`? |
| 02:51.02 | dn4 | Guerin, i'm just thinking of ways to get a usb card reader for my digi cam |
| 02:51.31 | geo-rge | asg: that is weird, isn't it... I saw that on the security bug page |
| 02:51.39 | Guerin | dn4: most all of them are standard. |
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| 02:51.41 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah_: will do |
| 02:51.42 | phorce1_ | dn4: which version of Debian? |
| 02:51.53 | soapee01 | can someone explain why this works in a bash shell, but not in a bash script? echo "$mail" | sed -e "s/Subject: /Subject: Matches[$MATCH] /g" |
| 02:51.55 | asg | geo-rge: lars is a funny guy |
| 02:52.01 | jetscreamer | mezoko: right there, you made me realize that you're doing something weird |
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| 02:52.06 | geo-rge | dbe: search web |
| 02:52.14 | Guerin | soapee01: #bash |
| 02:52.18 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I want to compile my own kernel with almost everything being static |
| 02:52.21 | phorce1_ | dn4: I bought a cheap sandisk and it shows right up when plugged into my Etch box. |
| 02:52.26 | mezoko | jetscreamer, and mkinitrd being a bitch |
| 02:52.32 | mezoko | I want scsi built in not as a dam module!!! |
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| 02:52.39 | dn4 | etch here |
| 02:52.47 | geo-rge | mezoko: why does that matter? |
| 02:52.50 | jetscreamer | mezoko: then do make menuconfig, tel it y a lot, then compile with make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 02:52.53 | dn4 | phorce1_, link to the scandisk you bought if you do not mind pelase |
| 02:53.12 | mezoko | geo-rge, because I boot the kernel from a cd, which boots from a usb drive |
| 02:53.19 | jetscreamer | do not add --initrd, and take all references to initrd out of grub's menu.lst |
| 02:53.28 | jetscreamer | or comment them out rather |
| 02:53.32 | phorce1_ | dn4: Picked it up in a Best Buy store here in the U.S.A. (haven't looked to see where you are) |
| 02:53.49 | jetscreamer | actually it's ... |
| 02:53.49 | mezoko | jetscreamer, that doesn't seem to work though |
| 02:53.51 | phorce1_ | Any USB card reader should work fine. |
| 02:53.54 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: or, better: just type update-grub |
| 02:53.55 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah_: thanks for the link.. I have been here before (A LONG time ago) it is what I was looking for in a way |
| 02:53.57 | alvarezp | Well, I leave. abrotman, I'll try apt-get upgrade tonight and try downloading the package and applying the bugfix to it. |
| 02:54.05 | alvarezp | Thanks for your help. |
| 02:54.11 | dn4 | phorce1_, hmm, what is a scandisk though? you put little cards in it and it reads them? |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | alvarezp: you can use the source package .. but that's a big build |
| 02:54.39 | phorce1_ | dn4: sandisk is the manufacturer |
| 02:54.39 | jetscreamer | # kopt= i think, in menu.lst |
| 02:54.41 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I'm trying the make-kpg kernel-image right now |
| 02:54.48 | jetscreamer | mezoko: it works just fine here |
| 02:54.54 | phorce1_ | dn4: they also make cards. |
| 02:54.57 | jetscreamer | been there done that |
| 02:54.59 | alvarezp | abrotman, I'll go with the "if it applies, then it wasn't apply" idea. I won't try compiling it, I don't know how to compile Xorg --yet--. |
| 02:55.09 | alvarezp | Thanks for all the help. |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | alvarezp: hehe .. okay .. or you can append that bug .. see about getting it fixed |
| 02:55.21 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I doubt your trying to do what I'm trying do though |
| 02:55.42 | dn4 | phorce1_, ohh so you bought a scandisk card reader? |
| 02:55.44 | jetscreamer | compile a kernel with no modules? been there |
| 02:55.45 | phorce1_ | dn4: dug it out -- it is a Sandisk Mobile Mate SD+ |
| 02:55.48 | alvarezp | abrotman, hehe, you're right. xD well, thanks. |
| 02:55.49 | geo-rge | mezoko: note in passing... when you put the command, you misspelled it... this may not matter if the thing is spelled right at your shell prompt |
| 02:56.11 | phorce1_ | dn4: SANDISK (there is no "C" in the name" |
| 02:56.28 | geo-rge | SANDISCK |
| 02:56.36 | asg | SCANDISK.EXE |
| 02:56.36 | mezoko | geo-rge, huh? |
| 02:57.06 | mezoko | jeefers, ok, I did make-kpkg kernel-image, now what do I do? |
| 02:57.09 | mezoko | dam it |
| 02:57.11 | phorce1_ | dn4: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDDR-103-MobileMate-TransFlash-Package/dp/B000652LUG |
| 02:57.14 | mezoko | jetscreamer, ^^ |
| 02:57.24 | phorce1_ | dn4: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sandisk+mobile+mate+sd%2B&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:57.29 | geo-rge | "<mezoko> jetscreamer, I'm trying the make-kpg kernel-image right now" |
| 02:58.06 | jetscreamer | mezoko: cd ../ and dpkg -i the new .deb |
| 02:58.30 | geo-rge | if he really spelled it that way, he probably just got an error |
| 02:59.02 | geo-rge | mezoko: try this for the correct spelling/punct: make-kpkg --targets |
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| 02:59.19 | mezoko | geo-rge, nope worked just fine |
| 02:59.23 | jetscreamer | mezoko: you need to amend the boot loader though so it won't try to load the initrd |
| 02:59.33 | jetscreamer | the non-existent initrd |
| 02:59.49 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I used make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 02:59.54 | mezoko | that still doens't make a initrd |
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| 03:00.03 | geo-rge | it's kernel_image not kernel-image |
| 03:00.05 | jetscreamer | you're not USING an initrd |
| 03:00.10 | jetscreamer | ah oops |
| 03:00.16 | jetscreamer | i said kernel-image |
| 03:00.29 | mezoko | geo-rge, doesn't matter the pakcage works anyways |
| 03:00.48 | jetscreamer | i 'think' they aliased it in the script |
| 03:00.49 | geo-rge | maybe that's the old package? |
| 03:00.53 | jetscreamer | i forget though |
| 03:01.25 | mezoko | jetscreamer, so there is no initrd made by make-qpkg right? |
| 03:01.25 | jetscreamer | mezoko: not if you don't supply --initrd to the make-kpkg command |
| 03:01.25 | mezoko | jetscreamer, ok |
| 03:01.33 | jetscreamer | and if you don't, you need to make sure * is compiled in (what you need) |
| 03:01.37 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I'm doing some very hackish stuff |
| 03:01.49 | geo-rge | mezoko: make-kpkg -never- makes an initrd... it arranges for the installing of the kernel*.deb to do it |
| 03:02.03 | geo-rge | (and that's only if you say --initrd |
| 03:02.06 | mezoko | geo-rge, oh ok, but only if i use --initrd |
| 03:02.07 | mezoko | ok |
| 03:02.08 | geo-rge | ) |
| 03:02.46 | geo-rge | mezoko: look at it this way... if make-kpkg did it, how would you install your kernel on other machines? |
| 03:03.18 | mezoko | geo-rge, on my gentoo box (which is what I'm use to) I do make && make modules_install |
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| 03:03.23 | mezoko | and cp the needed files |
| 03:03.34 | jetscreamer | mezoko: you can do it that way still |
| 03:03.35 | amphi | mezoko: that is the medieval way ;) |
| 03:03.37 | geo-rge | different machines may have different ways of mounting / and different modules needed |
| 03:03.52 | HDDcrashessuck | Hello |
| 03:03.53 | geo-rge | yeah, sure, you absolutely can do that |
| 03:03.55 | dendrite | Heh. Medieval. :-) |
| 03:04.02 | mezoko | jetscreamer, yeah, but see I can only seem to boot from a cd with only a initrd :-/ |
| 03:04.07 | geo-rge | Largeval |
| 03:04.07 | HDDcrashessuck | As my nick indicates, I'm having a little trouble with my hard drive |
| 03:04.32 | HDDcrashessuck | I booted my computer, but it refuses to start. |
| 03:04.34 | geo-rge | you think it's a hard crash? |
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| 03:04.45 | HDDcrashessuck | geo-rge: Yup. |
| 03:04.56 | geo-rge | not much to do about that |
| 03:04.59 | HDDcrashessuck | geo-rge: I took a screenshot, but knoppix refuses to mount my camera. |
| 03:05.07 | HDDcrashessuck | geo-rge: Not sure if it is though. |
| 03:05.15 | HDDcrashessuck | It's a new-ish drive, only a few months old |
| 03:05.26 | HDDcrashessuck | I can type some of what it says. |
| 03:05.30 | grim | i'm running a x86-32 sid chroot via schroot, and i can't get any X apps to run. I'm passing -p to schroot and i've played with xhost, but nothing is working. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:05.30 | geo-rge | buy a drive, restore from your most recently created backup |
| 03:05.39 | jetscreamer | knoppix? |
| 03:05.43 | dendrite | !knoppix |
| 03:05.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 03:06.03 | HDDcrashessuck | I'm using Knoppix right now |
| 03:06.07 | HDDcrashessuck | Cause etch won't boot |
| 03:06.12 | jetscreamer | because your... yeah that |
| 03:06.31 | geo-rge | it etches too much? |
| 03:06.45 | jetscreamer | scratch that etch! |
| 03:06.55 | jetscreamer | sung to the tune of 'whip it' |
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| 03:07.08 | geo-rge | try to protect it |
| 03:07.42 | dendrite | Man-o-man, now I have that tune in my head! |
| 03:07.48 | HDDcrashessuck | hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=193040928, high=11, low=8491552, sector= 193040922 |
| 03:08.01 | geo-rge | dendrite: dom |
| 03:08.09 | HDDcrashessuck | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 03:08.10 | dendrite | dom? |
| 03:08.15 | Guerin | HDDcrashessuck: so sad. |
| 03:08.19 | asg | HDDcrashessuck: just to be sure, check your IDE cables and card seating (if the card is not internal) |
| 03:08.21 | jetscreamer | hmm i don't know 0x40 |
| 03:08.31 | jetscreamer | usually for me it's 0x51 when the hd borks out |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | it's after 0x3f |
| 03:08.34 | geo-rge | dendrite: don't let it escape... else it will get in my head! |
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| 03:08.54 | HDDcrashessuck | asg: I'll do that, but I want to exhaust all other options before rebooting - Knoppix takes forever to boot. |
| 03:09.00 | asg | abrotman: 0xbeef |
| 03:09.05 | jetscreamer | kanotix>knoppix |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | and still OT! |
| 03:09.15 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you lose. |
| 03:09.30 | asg | HDDcrashessuck: I'd make sure you have a good backup of your data; those errors are generally indicative of failing drives. |
| 03:09.44 | HDDcrashessuck | I/O error in filesystem ("hda3") meta-data dev hda3 block 0xb7d2880 |
| 03:09.52 | jetscreamer | ot, but very helpful and informative |
| 03:09.53 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 03:09.53 | dpkg | methinks i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 03:10.15 | HDDcrashessuck | :( |
| 03:10.17 | mezoko | grr!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:10.36 | jetscreamer | HDDcrashessuck: i don't know... but from that error i might think zeroing the hd might fix it |
| 03:10.38 | geo-rge | garrrr! |
| 03:11.01 | HDDcrashessuck | _recover_do..(read#2)") error 5 buf count 8192 |
| 03:11.02 | jetscreamer | aka low level format and redo |
| 03:11.25 | HDDcrashessuck | XFS: log mount/recovery failed: error 5 |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | get your backup |
| 03:11.38 | HDDcrashessuck | Shite. |
| 03:11.44 | HDDcrashessuck | My last backup was like a month ago. |
| 03:11.50 | jetscreamer | ah xfs |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | and ext3 |
| 03:12.00 | geo-rge | oh good! you have a backup! |
| 03:12.06 | mezoko | just great my HD crashed! |
| 03:12.08 | Faithful | how do you check a swap partition for bad sectors? |
| 03:12.28 | geo-rge | mezoko: then you can now say his nick :) |
| 03:12.44 | HDDcrashessuck | mount: Mounting /dev/hda3 on /root failed: Input/output error |
| 03:12.56 | geo-rge | bad berries |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | your stuff is gone |
| 03:13.10 | HDDcrashessuck | Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... |
| 03:13.21 | asg | abrotman: mine did that for a while remember ;) |
| 03:13.24 | Faithful | HDDcrashessuck: I have had good experience getting info off a dead xfs partition |
| 03:13.31 | abrotman | asg: but you could mount yours |
| 03:13.36 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: I'm all ears |
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| 03:13.40 | asg | abrotman: after a reboot, yes. |
| 03:13.43 | abrotman | i think there's also #xfs |
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| 03:14.20 | AI_coder | the way i understand iptables and it might be wrong is that your bans are gone when you reset so you need apf or something, My question is: what do you guys use? |
| 03:14.21 | jetscreamer | don't use reiser or xfs imo |
| 03:14.28 | mezoko | damit! |
| 03:14.44 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: Would you mind telling me+ |
| 03:14.46 | HDDcrashessuck | *? |
| 03:14.53 | geo-rge | mybans are raybans |
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| 03:16.07 | dendrite | AI_coder: I use a script that sets rules, the script is set up to completely destroy and rebuilt the rule set when run. |
| 03:16.28 | multi_io | HDDcrashessuck: use smartd in the future |
| 03:16.49 | dendrite | AI_coder: So I would add the "bans" to the script, then run it... |
| 03:16.51 | multi_io | :P |
| 03:17.00 | HDDcrashessuck | multi_io: ? |
| 03:17.05 | HDDcrashessuck | multi_io: The hard drive sensors? |
| 03:17.44 | multi_io | HDDcrashessuck: it tells you when the spare sectors of the drive are running out, before i/o errors are showing up |
| 03:17.59 | multi_io | (if that's what you're experiencing) |
| 03:18.54 | HDDcrashessuck | Ok.. |
| 03:18.57 | AI_coder | dendrite: could you post the script |
| 03:18.58 | AI_coder | ? |
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| 03:19.06 | AI_coder | http://connectfile.com |
| 03:19.06 | HDDcrashessuck | Does anyone know if spinrite works with XFS? |
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| 03:19.15 | AI_coder | give us the url :D |
| 03:19.21 | AI_coder | if you don't mind... |
| 03:20.39 | dendrite | AI_coder: The scripts I have here are all host stuff, almost trivial. I moved from a Woody router to a dd-wrt box, so I don't really have ready access to a script that isn't trivial. |
| 03:21.17 | AI_coder | hosts.deny? |
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| 03:21.53 | gravity | abrotman: Unfortunately, the fix for #394318 is freakin' huge. |
| 03:21.59 | gravity | abrotman: I don't think that can hit etch. |
| 03:22.05 | dendrite | AI_coder: iptables -F INPUT; iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; and so on. |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | gravity: okay .. the guy left .. he said he was going to build from source .. and possibly append the bug |
| 03:22.30 | sid | I have a usb wireless stick plugged into my desktop, how can I see what chipset the wireless is? |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | gravity: thanks for looking at it! |
| 03:22.36 | dendrite | AI_coder: hosts.deny is part of tcp-wrappers, I don't generally bother with it. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 03:23.06 | Guerin | !dbugs 394318 |
| 03:23.09 | dpkg | #394318:N[xserver-xorg-core] xserver-xorg-core: XkbGetKeyboard() is broken; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:48:20 UTC |
| 03:23.10 | gravity | abrotman: I wish there was time to effectively fix that one |
| 03:23.21 | AI_coder | dendrite: i've never used iptables beyond basic tinkering |
| 03:23.23 | jetscreamer | aha! you know when! |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | gravity: well .. you could just do it .. maybe it will slide in :) |
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| 03:23.43 | AI_coder | i just want to be able to ban people if they're trying to abuse my site |
| 03:23.49 | jetscreamer | !delete gravity's etch pool bet |
| 03:24.01 | sid | When I plug in the usb thumb drive, it lights up blue, and lsusb shows nothing except my mouse. |
| 03:24.13 | dendrite | AI_coder: I like to roll my own scripts because the firewall packages just add a layer of complexity I don't need. I find iptables easy enough to just deal with directly. |
| 03:24.34 | AI_coder | dendrite: so do you maintain a file with ip |
| 03:24.36 | Guerin | dendrite: word. |
| 03:24.43 | AI_coder | whoops, posted early |
| 03:24.53 | gravity | I don't think I have a pool bet this time, but it's almost the same as last time: When the RM's say it's ready! |
| 03:25.08 | enouf | sid /msg dpkg usbstorage |
| 03:25.11 | AI_coder | dendrite: so do you maintain a file with ip's and process it with iptables commands in a script? |
| 03:25.19 | HDDcrashessuck | Any suggestions? http://pastebin.ca/310788 |
| 03:25.23 | dendrite | AI_coder: No, because I believe it's probably a waste of time to worry about random annoyances on the 'net. |
| 03:25.30 | sid | enouf: This isn't storage though, it's a usb wireless device. |
| 03:25.49 | enouf | really? <sid> When I plug in the usb thumb drive, it lights up blue, and lsusb shows nothing except my mouse |
| 03:25.51 | dendrite | AI_coder: In other words, I don't react to every little exploit attempt. |
| 03:26.09 | AI_coder | dendrite: well i'm not reacting to exploit attempts, just high bandwidth consumption. |
| 03:26.15 | asg | HDDcrashessuck: looks like following the instructions presented is your best bet |
| 03:26.24 | dendrite | AI_coder: But if I had to, I'd add IP based rules and re-run the script... |
| 03:26.35 | peterrooney | blahdeblah_: you're welcome |
| 03:26.48 | sid | enouf: yea |
| 03:26.49 | HDDcrashessuck | asg: Yeah, but it said removing that log could cause even worse damage |
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| 03:26.56 | dendrite | AI_coder: Look into limiting bandwidth. This can be done automatically. |
| 03:26.59 | Faithful | HDDcrashessuck: have you run xfs_repair? |
| 03:27.03 | AI_coder | dendrite: where? |
| 03:27.11 | mrbrocoli | where do i get amd64 isos for debian? |
| 03:27.20 | asg | HDDcrashessuck: that's true but if you can't mount/umount as suggested, that's likely your best course of action. |
| 03:27.21 | Guerin | mrbrocoli: same place as any other isos |
| 03:27.27 | AI_coder | dendrite: preferably i'd charge people for bandwidth |
| 03:27.31 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: Look at that pastebin link :P |
| 03:27.32 | dendrite | AI_coder: Well, I know iptables has rate limiting goodness. |
| 03:27.38 | mrbrocoli | cant find it here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/ |
| 03:27.41 | HDDcrashessuck | asg: Ok. |
| 03:27.48 | HDDcrashessuck | asg: Do you know if Spinrite supports XFS? |
| 03:27.56 | asg | sorry, I don't |
| 03:28.04 | HDDcrashessuck | Ok |
| 03:28.04 | dendrite | AI_coder: Well, depending on how the bandwidth is being generated, you can charge for it. |
| 03:28.11 | AI_coder | just have the server send an HTTP response or something that lets them know to continue using the site at the amount they are they'll have to send me $X via a cc. |
| 03:28.28 | Guerin | AI_coder: WTF |
| 03:28.31 | Faithful | HDDcrashessuck: and ... |
| 03:28.31 | dendrite | AI_coder: What httpd? |
| 03:28.34 | AI_coder | is that possible to do with already existing scripts? |
| 03:28.37 | AI_coder | apache |
| 03:29.01 | mrbrocoli | Guerin: is it called something other than x86_64 or amd64? |
| 03:29.02 | jetscreamer | mrbrocoli: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ maybe |
| 03:29.05 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: Well, I'm not sure if it's worth the risk. It said removing the log could cause even worse damage... |
| 03:29.19 | dendrite | AI_coder: I would look into metering. It's not a new problem, and ISP's have done a lot to solve the issue you're having. |
| 03:29.32 | mrbrocoli | jetscreamer: cool, thanks! |
| 03:29.43 | AI_coder | dendrite: thanks for the keyword :D |
| 03:29.46 | HDDcrashessuck | root@1[knoppix]# mount /dev/hda3 /tmpmount/ |
| 03:29.46 | HDDcrashessuck | mount: /dev/hda3: can't read superblock |
| 03:29.46 | Faithful | HDDcrashessuck: lowlevel copy your partition using dd and pad the bad reads with 0s then mount that file loop |
| 03:29.53 | AI_coder | knowing what to look for is half the battle |
| 03:29.54 | Guerin | mrbrocoli: no. |
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| 03:30.30 | Dembug | hello all |
| 03:30.32 | dendrite | AI_coder: Yep. "Bandwidth Metering" "QOS" "Bandwidth Limits" |
| 03:30.43 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: To what? This hard drive is 160GB, the only spare I have is 80 |
| 03:30.44 | dendrite | AI_coder: You get the idea. |
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| 03:31.03 | Dembug | can anyone tell me if "user_hz" is something as standard in sarge (specifically 2.6.19-rc3?) , if so, does anybody know what it does specifically? |
| 03:31.13 | Faithful | HDDcrashessuck: do you want your data or not? GO buy a new hdd. |
| 03:31.15 | sid | How can I update my bios when dell only gives me shitty windows.exe files? |
| 03:31.37 | HDDcrashessuck | :( |
| 03:31.38 | Dembug | sid you poor man |
| 03:31.45 | abrotman | sid: make a dos boot disk |
| 03:32.02 | dendrite | sid: I wonder if freeDOS would work... |
| 03:32.08 | Dembug | abrotman: I think he was referring to the lack of an image :O |
| 03:32.24 | sid | abrotman: the laptop doesn't have a floppy. Can I make on on cd? |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | sid: i think so |
| 03:32.32 | Guerin | sid: yes. |
| 03:32.34 | abrotman | sid: ask #hardware |
| 03:32.46 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
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| 03:32.52 | jetscreamer | you can do a flash drive too |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | Dembug: you can usually extract those .exe in a dosemu |
| 03:32.55 | kalila | on a debian server holding a domain, where to look for subdomains and where they point at? |
| 03:33.02 | Wyzard | sid: You can make a bootable iso from a floppy image |
| 03:33.06 | Dembug | abrotman: good point. |
| 03:33.08 | sid | Where can I get dos floppy image? |
| 03:33.11 | Dembug | I was thinking mulinux |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | sid: bootdisk.com |
| 03:33.21 | Guerin | kalila: look at the nameserver config |
| 03:33.23 | Dembug | couldnt mulinux patch the bios? :D or would this be a bad idea? :P |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | Dembug: are you willing to risk it ? |
| 03:33.38 | Dembug | lal |
| 03:33.40 | Wyzard | Unfortunately bootdisk.com only has EXE extractors, not plain disk-image files |
| 03:33.40 | Dembug | God no . |
| 03:33.46 | AI_coder | does anyone know of existing scripts that meter bandwidth on an apache server by charging people's credit card for bandwidth? |
| 03:33.46 | kalila | Guerin: in? sorry for bold question, i'm prettu new at this stuff |
| 03:33.51 | Dembug | Im just lazy and hate going to the DC :( |
| 03:34.01 | sid | thanks abrotman |
| 03:34.07 | Guerin | kalila: if that statement doesn't make sense, you need to get someone else to do that job. |
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| 03:34.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem! |
| 03:34.26 | phogg | Wyzard: those are usually just zip files. Or, use wine. |
| 03:34.33 | kalila | Guerin: not an option.. |
| 03:34.57 | Wyzard | phogg: It's been a long time since I used them, but IIRC they're not just self-extracting zipfiles, they're programs that actually write the image directly to a floppy |
| 03:35.33 | phogg | Wyzard: that would be really dumb |
| 03:36.16 | Wyzard | sid: If you have trouble getting a plain disk-image file out of one of the EXEs from bootdisk.com, let me know and I'll DCC you a win98 floppy image (already extracted from one of the EXEs on that site) that I have sitting around |
| 03:36.28 | Dembug | I have a strange question to ask today. I'm working on a gameserver for a friend.. And I'm trying to improve the available simulation FPS, however I know damn well that tics (or process frames) don't actually make the FPS higher, it makes the precision of the FPS higher, which sure could make FPS stable in a game in my debian sarge environment. IS there any intelligent way beyond choosing the right hardware or increasing the t |
| 03:36.45 | Wyzard | phogg: Windows doesn't have raw-disk-writing tools like Linux does, so it's necessary |
| 03:37.08 | Dembug | I have looked into the RTC with little joy, |
| 03:37.23 | HDDcrashessuck | Faithful: http://pastebin.ca/310794 |
| 03:37.25 | Wyzard | Dembug: "precision of the FPS" ? |
| 03:37.27 | Dembug | And I've got a nasty feeling increasing the hz > 2000 isnt going to do me any favours. |
| 03:37.32 | phogg | Wyzard: still a dumb way to operate. A self extracting zip that also extracts rawrite would be superior |
| 03:37.38 | Dembug | Wyzard the tick is like how many cycles yes? |
| 03:37.43 | Dembug | and the fps is dependant on the tick, yes? |
| 03:37.57 | sid | Wyzard: http://www.allbootdisks.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=42&func=download&filecatid=1863 |
| 03:38.04 | sid | Wyzard: some website has iso9660 dos images |
| 03:38.04 | Wyzard | Dembug: If by "FPS" you mean "frames per second" in the sense of "simulation steps per second", then increasing the number of simulation steps ("tics") per second is exactly what you want to do |
| 03:38.10 | dendrite | phogg: Not superior if you then have a zillion confused Windows users calling your support line. |
| 03:38.21 | Dembug | So increasing the precision (or total num hz over time) isnt going to increase the FPS. to my knowledge. |
| 03:38.36 | Wyzard | Dembug: But each simulation step takes a certain amount of time to calculate, so you can't do too many per second without buying faster hardware |
| 03:38.38 | phogg | dendrite: the user experience would be about 90% identical |
| 03:38.44 | Dembug | mmm |
| 03:38.53 | dendrite | phogg: *shrug* |
| 03:38.57 | Wyzard | Dembug: Are you talking about processor clock ticks? |
| 03:39.04 | Dembug | I mean RTC and kernel frequency patch or preempt makes sense |
| 03:39.09 | Dembug | Wyzard Yes |
| 03:39.21 | Wyzard | Dembug: Those aren't visible to software, and they don't matter either |
| 03:39.46 | Dembug | Ok, I'm just trying to optimize the kernel/the environment (such as RTC) |
| 03:39.54 | Dembug | I know its been done, with great success , |
| 03:40.23 | Dembug | suchs to be an admin :( |
| 03:40.23 | Wyzard | How would counting processor clock ticks be of any use to a game server? |
| 03:40.38 | Dembug | Wyzard I don't think im conveying this to you properly.. |
| 03:40.57 | jelly-home | Wyzard: think latency |
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| 03:40.59 | Dembug | Its actually quite complicated how the throughput of the software im using Steam srcds game -cstrike (a.k.a. cs:s) works |
| 03:41.13 | Dembug | like.. |
| 03:41.22 | Dembug | 100 tick server is the absolute limit of the engine.. |
| 03:41.42 | Wyzard | and I don't know what you mean by "100 tick server" |
| 03:41.47 | Dembug | and thats software ticks. And you can make those ticks more "defined" rather like an analogue multiplier by increasing the freq_hz in the kernel |
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| 03:42.04 | Wyzard | By "ticks" you're talking about physical electrical impulses of a clock circuit on the motherboard |
| 03:42.18 | Dembug | im talking about both, I think. |
| 03:42.43 | Wyzard | There's a separate kind of "tick" used by the clock() function, but that's fixed at one million ticks per second IIRC, and has nothing to do with the underlying CPU clock frequency |
| 03:42.56 | abrotman | watch out for Lyme Disease! |
| 03:42.57 | Dembug | im trying to work out the difference between user_hz freq_hz the RTC and how i can fit in with software ticks to the hardware with the actually FRAMES per second this srcds engine is making |
| 03:43.22 | sid | mkisofs -o burnme.iso dos_image |
| 03:43.35 | sid | Is that right, Do I need any special options for dos crap or anything? |
| 03:44.07 | abrotman | PARK |
| 03:44.09 | Wyzard | Dembug: By "frames" you mean simulation steps (score counting, physics simulation, etc.) right? |
| 03:44.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: your pun fizzes and disappears in the void, not hitting anyone |
| 03:44.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: they all do .. i'm used to it |
| 03:44.34 | Dembug | Wyzard: heh |
| 03:44.36 | sid | Because after I mounted the original dos.iso file, and cp -r'd it over, then did my mkisofs command...my new image is 2.4M, but the original was 2.9M |
| 03:44.41 | Dembug | Im asking because I'm not sure.. |
| 03:44.46 | Dembug | Im making several references to the software engine |
| 03:44.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: puny human! |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | darn gamers! |
| 03:44.55 | Dembug | the hardware that is running that software (and subsequent kernel) |
| 03:44.58 | Dembug | Im not a darn gamer :< |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: apparently i'm a weed .. so says Guerin |
| 03:45.17 | Wyzard | Dembug: So you're working with an existing game engine and trying to do... what with it? |
| 03:45.31 | Dembug | Wyzard: Basically im trying to increase the throughput available to the engine |
| 03:45.39 | Dembug | Wyzard: thefore the software engine has to be static |
| 03:45.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: beware of herbicides, then |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 03:46.06 | Dembug | Talking about changing other things here rather than the virtual ticks :D |
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| 03:46.41 | Wyzard | Dembug: Physical CPU clock ticks are invisible and basically irrelevant to applications in a modern multitasking virtual-memory operating system |
| 03:46.42 | loopdee | how would i mount an image created with dd ? |
| 03:46.50 | abrotman | !loopback |
| 03:46.50 | dpkg | hmm... loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 03:46.57 | abrotman | ack .. wrong one! |
| 03:47.00 | Dembug | Wyzard: then why the need to go from 250hz to 350hz and subsquently compile 1000hz in? |
| 03:47.03 | abrotman | loopdee: you mount it over loopback |
| 03:47.09 | Dembug | (referring to the kernel here) |
| 03:47.19 | loopdee | hmmm |
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| 03:47.36 | dendrite | loopdee: mount -o loop /path/to/file /path/to/mountpoint |
| 03:47.42 | abrotman | see .. that! |
| 03:47.44 | Wyzard | Dembug: You're talking about the clock_t datatype used by the clock() function? |
| 03:47.45 | loopdee | ah |
| 03:47.47 | loopdee | :_ |
| 03:47.48 | loopdee | :) |
| 03:47.54 | abrotman | "@# |
| 03:47.57 | Dembug | Wyzard: if clock_t is some sort of divider, yes |
| 03:48.14 | Dembug | Im looking for a linux equivalent of a "turnover" throttle |
| 03:48.16 | loopdee | i get loop_clr_fd :device or resource busy |
| 03:48.20 | Wyzard | Dembug: That's not a count of processor clock ticks, it's just an arbitrary interval |
| 03:48.31 | Dembug | if i cant get fps increase, i must be able to increase the freq_hz in the kernel to increase the actual precision of FPS |
| 03:48.45 | cld2 | what do I need to do to install etch and make it so i can configure linux raid during install? |
| 03:48.48 | Dembug | Wyzard: ahh yes, but all software running on the "arbitrary interval" are surely not dependancies to it? |
| 03:48.54 | Wyzard | Linux these days lets you set the kernel's timer resolution to either 10Hz, 100Hz, or 1000Hz IIRC, as an compile-time kernel option |
| 03:49.05 | sid | Wyzard: Do I need special mkisofs options? |
| 03:49.08 | Dembug | 250, 500 and a 1000 i believe Wyzard :) |
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| 03:49.13 | abrotman | cld2: it's supposed to ask you during install |
| 03:49.24 | cld2 | abrotman: do I have to do expert install? |
| 03:49.34 | Wyzard | sid: genisoimage -o foo.iso -b boot.img boot.img |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | cld2: you can try it |
| 03:49.45 | Dembug | Wyzard: plenty of people compiled +config freq_hz 1500 afaik |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | cld2: there's a rough install guide for etch .. somewhere |
| 03:50.00 | Dembug | A lot of people have been reporting increases in FPS, but I think thats not "exactly" true. |
| 03:50.16 | Dembug | More like because the tick rate is greater, theres more cycles accross the data, hence a more consistant reading. |
| 03:50.18 | Wyzard | Dembug: Increasing that frequency means that the currently-running process will be interrupted more frequently to jump to kernel mode and service a timer interrupt |
| 03:50.40 | Wyzard | Dembug: That can increase responsiveness, but it decreases throughput since the processor spends more time running the timer interrupt handler |
| 03:50.43 | Guerin | placebo effect |
| 03:50.46 | Dembug | So basically it'd be useless in a multiuser environment anyway.. |
| 03:51.00 | Wyzard | Dembug: so you probably want to put that on its lowest setting on a server machine that's dedicated to running this game-server daemon |
| 03:51.05 | Dembug | Wyzard: aye, i dont mind losing 20% of the SMP im using, as long as its stabler :D |
| 03:51.26 | Wyzard | but changing it won't affect how fast programs run; the "current" setting isn't compiled into applications |
| 03:51.36 | Dembug | ahhhh I'm with you |
| 03:51.42 | Dembug | so obviously thats mythbusted. |
| 03:51.49 | Dembug | freq_hz does shit for your games and FPS |
| 03:51.51 | Wyzard | According to the clock() manpage, CLOCKS_PER_SEC is one million on any POSIX system |
| 03:51.54 | Dembug | :-) |
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| 03:52.02 | Dembug | yeah ive heard, its meant to be nanosecs |
| 03:52.25 | Wyzard | but you'll never actually see it increase by 1 |
| 03:52.37 | Dembug | heh sure.. |
| 03:52.49 | Wyzard | If your timer interval is 1000Hz, clock() will always return multiples of 1000, I guess |
| 03:53.06 | Wyzard | If your kernel's timer runs at 500Hz, clock() will always return multiples of 2000 |
| 03:53.06 | Wyzard | etc. |
| 03:53.20 | Wyzard | (I haven't tested this but I believe that's how it works) |
| 03:53.21 | Dembug | i mean for those who think i was being a stupid gamer asking this question, yes to stupid gamer, but I was looking at it like a "gearbox", if the hardware can take a high frequency , and the software isnt at a high frequency, then the software will be "limited the gears" :D |
| 03:53.53 | Dembug | also been looking at it like a small gearbox and a large one - thats the throughput or efficiency of conversion, I think this is important but maybe nothing to do with the actually freq itself. I think I need to be looking at scheduler. |
| 03:54.04 | Wyzard | In short, the kernel's timer setting doesn't control how fast things run... it's just a tradeoff between responsiveness and throughput |
| 03:54.11 | Dembug | <Wyzard> If your kernel's timer runs at 500Hz, clock() will always return multiples of 2000 <-- I have heard this too |
| 03:54.27 | Dembug | Wyzard: people set their frequencies to +config freq_hz 256 . |
| 03:54.39 | Dembug | Wyzard: cool.. |
| 03:55.12 | Dembug | Wyzard: so from that I can summise, that increasing freq_hz will actually increase responsiveness, but decrease the global throughput the machine is capable of because of the additional interupt |
| 03:55.23 | Dembug | now that makes sense. |
| 03:55.45 | Dembug | That would actually be beneficial to a multiuser environment, if the processors were decent en ough |
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| 03:55.53 | Dembug | Maybe I will apply this idea to my cluster ;-) |
| 03:56.20 | Wyzard | The "responsiveness" matters most on something like a desktop system, where you have lots of processes running and they're all doing things like drawing to the screen and responding to mouse input |
| 03:56.26 | Dembug | mmm |
| 03:56.35 | Dembug | obviously preempt is something different to freq_hz and is locks.. |
| 03:56.36 | Wyzard | A faster kernel timer will let the system switch among them with less latency |
| 03:56.38 | floundering | Hi, I want to format a 2meg floppy to 1.96MB instead of 1.44MB, but even dd writes only 1474560 to it. How do I use maximum capacity under linux? |
| 03:56.47 | Dembug | obviously preempt is going to ruin a multiuser environment, so thats off the cards for me |
| 03:57.04 | Dembug | Wyzard ahh excellent, that would increase fps. |
| 03:57.04 | Wyzard | but on a dedicated server machine that's only running one application, that doesn't matter, so you don't want a high timer frequency |
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| 03:57.15 | Dembug | because fps would drop if a request is missed due to queu |
| 03:57.32 | Dembug | Wyzard: with you |
| 03:57.44 | Dembug | Perfect for multiple users though eh :D |
| 03:57.55 | Wyzard | I'm not sure what queue you're talking about... and you sound like you're saying this is a multiuser environment, but I was under the impression that it's a dedicated server running one application |
| 03:58.12 | Dembug | naww it is multiuser theres other people on this box |
| 03:58.28 | Dembug | i look after some of the top UK gaming teams |
| 03:58.39 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:58.50 | Dembug | anyway not trolling or anything lads |
| 03:58.51 | Wyzard | But it's a server, right? |
| 03:58.57 | Wyzard | so the other users are logging in via SSH or whatever |
| 03:59.00 | Dembug | its a dedicated server inhouse, sure |
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| 03:59.06 | Dembug | yes :) |
| 03:59.18 | Wyzard | You'd probably still want to set the timer pretty low |
| 03:59.26 | Dembug | mm |
| 03:59.32 | Dembug | they are 1000hz |
| 03:59.33 | Wyzard | Game throughput is more important than having a few milliseconds less latency on the keystrokes in your SSH session |
| 03:59.44 | Dembug | heh see im not sure about that Wyzard |
| 03:59.50 | Dembug | at about 70% the system gets groggy anyway |
| 03:59.54 | Dembug | and needs renicing |
| 04:00.00 | Dembug | which is the same as IRQ (IIRC) |
| 04:00.06 | Wyzard | then you need faster hardware |
| 04:00.14 | Dembug | thats the thing, it doesnt exist |
| 04:00.15 | Wyzard | and IRQ is a hardware thing that has nothing to do with process nicing |
| 04:00.27 | Dembug | oh :< really |
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| 04:00.31 | Dembug | sorry *interupt |
| 04:00.50 | Dembug | the scheduler has an interupt itself though right? |
| 04:00.50 | Wyzard | IRQ is how hardware (IDE/SCSI controller, network card, etc.) signals the processor that it needs attention |
| 04:01.03 | Dembug | ok ;< rookie mistake, my bad. |
| 04:01.09 | Wyzard | The processor jumps to an interrupt handler (part of a driver in the kernel) that talks to the hardware to do whatever needs to be done |
| 04:01.25 | Wyzard | The scheduler is triggered by timer interrupts, yes |
| 04:01.36 | Dembug | maybe the "gears" im looking for |
| 04:01.39 | Dembug | are in the scheduler |
| 04:01.46 | Wyzard | Faster timer means more time running the scheduler itself and less time running user processes |
| 04:02.01 | Dembug | ooh.. true |
| 04:02.01 | Wyzard | though I'm not sure whether that's affected by the 1000Hz timer we were talking about |
| 04:02.06 | Dembug | so it basically bottlenecks itself |
| 04:02.12 | Dembug | I bet 1000hz isnt the sweetspot |
| 04:02.19 | Dembug | I happen to have researched the decision why to go to 1000hz |
| 04:02.20 | Wyzard | probably not |
| 04:02.43 | Wyzard | My understanding is that for a desktop system you want it high (like 1000Hz) and for a server you want it low |
| 04:02.46 | abrotman | welcome to The Wyzard & Dembug Show!! |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:02.47 | Dembug | from what ive heard they wanted to "show that the timer will need to get higher eventually" - at the time 1000hz was too high, but they decided to keep it. |
| 04:02.53 | Dembug | abrotman heh |
| 04:02.58 | Wyzard | The options are even described that way in the kernel's configuration menu |
| 04:03.13 | Dembug | heh yeah ive heard that too |
| 04:03.20 | Dembug | 1000 hz just gives better gameservers |
| 04:03.25 | Wyzard | It sounds like somebody set the timer to 1000 thinking that it makes things faster, but it's actually the opposite |
| 04:03.26 | Dembug | ive compiled hundreds of 1000hz kernels |
| 04:03.37 | Dembug | just no debian pro nor kernel pro :) |
| 04:03.46 | Wyzard | Fast timers just means the server gets interrupted more often to go do other non-game things |
| 04:03.47 | Dembug | Wyzard aye.. |
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| 04:03.56 | Dembug | the FPS throughput in the engine in question is much lower at default |
| 04:03.59 | Dembug | and that is a fact :) |
| 04:04.14 | Wyzard | FPS of the game itself is a completely separate issue |
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| 04:04.22 | Dembug | hmm im not sure about that |
| 04:04.27 | Dembug | i did a lot of static tests |
| 04:04.35 | Dembug | controlled static tests :) |
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| 04:04.49 | Dembug | freq_hz=1000hz results in better fps throughput |
| 04:04.52 | Dembug | by a factor of 2 |
| 04:05.04 | Dembug | and tbh i was as surprised as you are :) |
| 04:05.48 | Wyzard | I don't see why it would... unless maybe the server's main loop is sleeping briefly between iterations, and a slow timer prevents it from sleeping for short intervals |
| 04:05.48 | Dembug | meh this topic always gets the better of me :D even though ive been running these things years. |
| 04:06.09 | Wyzard | but if that's the case, and your testing tells you that 1000Hz is best, go ahead and use that |
| 04:06.23 | Dembug | ahh we already do.. |
| 04:06.46 | Dembug | i still dont see why we cant get 1000fps when others do... I'm obviously missing something else ;-D |
| 04:07.02 | geo-rge | how did you do the static test? rub balloon on your hair and see how long it sticks to your hand? |
| 04:07.11 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 04:07.16 | Wyzard | Maybe "others" just have faster hardware |
| 04:07.25 | jetscreamer | geo-rge is a man after my own heart |
| 04:07.29 | Dembug | i mean i built this machine, core 2 duo e6600 4-4-4-12 mem and raid 0 the new .10 seagates :D |
| 04:07.32 | jetscreamer | put that knife down dude! |
| 04:07.38 | Dembug | Wyzard, no, they dont. |
| 04:07.58 | Dembug | You may continue treating me like i have no clue though just because im talking about something that you dont have an interest in. |
| 04:08.00 | Dembug | :) |
| 04:08.03 | Wyzard | and there are other hardware-related factors... some network cards do lots of processing on the card itself, while some leave most of the work to the CPU |
| 04:08.11 | Dembug | ahh.. thats true. |
| 04:08.23 | Wyzard | I don't think you're clueless... I'm just exploring options |
| 04:08.26 | Dembug | infact id imagine thats quite important. |
| 04:08.29 | zinx | Dembug: getting 1000fps or not doesn't have much to do with the system timer if the game is the only thing running |
| 04:08.32 | Dembug | sure :D |
| 04:08.52 | zinx | Dembug: a 1000Hz timer means CPU time is split up in to 1ms blocks |
| 04:08.52 | Dembug | mmm... still it is interesting how fps increases by a factor of 2 simply by changing freq_hz to 1000hz |
| 04:08.57 | Wyzard | but in a game server that's communicating with lots of players, I can certainly imagine CPU overhead from the network card's drivers having a significant impact |
| 04:09.01 | Dembug | zinx aye i know |
| 04:09.03 | zinx | Dembug: if the game's getting all the blocks of time anyway, then it really does not matter |
| 04:09.07 | Dembug | more blocks greater consistency |
| 04:09.15 | zinx | Dembug: if the game's getting all the blocks of time anyway, then it really does not matter |
| 04:09.24 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 04:09.26 | Dembug | mm... |
| 04:09.36 | geo-rge | what? |
| 04:09.41 | Wyzard | I doubt a game server is I/O-bound, but your RAID controller could have an effect too |
| 04:09.47 | zinx | Dembug: if a process goes to sleep (waiting on IO, which is very common), then it won't take a whole block |
| 04:09.58 | zinx | Dembug: it'll give it back to your game. |
| 04:10.00 | Wyzard | if it's a "fakeraid" controller rather than a real hardware RAID controller |
| 04:10.17 | Dembug | its software raid in all admittance. |
| 04:10.17 | cld2 | so, I should be able to just install onto an mdraid if I set up /boot swap and / in the install setup right? my box seems to not boot after the install. as if grub only got installed to one disk? |
| 04:10.28 | Dembug | in this particular circumstance, but ive done LOTS of testing on other machines. |
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| 04:10.36 | zinx | Dembug: so if you're thinking the timer has anything at all to do with it, apart from more CPU being taken to handle more interrupts, then you are smoking some crack. |
| 04:10.41 | Dembug | 20 odd machines ranging from p3' katmai's up to amd 4400's to core 2 duo's |
| 04:10.42 | zinx | Dembug: or otherwise don't know wtf you're talking about. |
| 04:11.27 | Wyzard | zinx: My hypothesis was that the server's main loop is going to sleep() briefly between iterations, and the way sleep() works is that it sleeps *at least* as long as you asked it to, but possibly longer |
| 04:11.27 | Dembug | zinx: I am here because im not sure :D Wouldnt have asked otherwise. But yeah, I know for definate increases freq_hz to 1000 infact increases throughput in the srcds engine by a factor of 2x incomparison to a +config freq_hz 1000 |
| 04:11.39 | Dembug | this is a fact. And I will stand by it because ive tested it again and again ;-) |
| 04:11.44 | Wyzard | zinx: so a slow timer could mean that when it tries to do a short sleep, it ends up doing a longer sleep instead |
| 04:11.51 | zinx | Dembug: which engine is that? |
| 04:11.57 | Dembug | Same results on Xeons, on Katmai's, on cely's on amd 3500's on X2's on Duo's |
| 04:11.57 | zinx | Wyzard: few games sleep |
| 04:12.11 | geo-rge | ssssssstaand by your fact... |
| 04:12.19 | zinx | Wyzard: that is, the servers sleep, but generally run at a much lower framerate |
| 04:12.37 | zinx | Wyzard: and if vertical blank syncing is enabled, it runs off an interrupt from the video card, or busy waits |
| 04:12.44 | Wyzard | zinx: Clients probably don't, but I'd imagine servers probably do, because they want to maintain a consistent framerate -- consistency is more important than high framerate, I believe |
| 04:12.57 | Dembug | zinx its an engine |
| 04:12.59 | Wyzard | zinx: Dembug is talking about a server, not a client |
| 04:13.00 | Dembug | not a video game :) |
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| 04:13.07 | zinx | Wyzard: the consistency of server framerates is not really very important, because they run at much lower rates |
| 04:13.08 | Dembug | indeed Wyzard |
| 04:13.17 | Dembug | zinx: incorrect |
| 04:13.18 | zinx | Wyzard: then why the fuck is he wanting it to get 1000fps? |
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| 04:13.30 | zinx | servers don't need to run at 1000+fps |
| 04:13.36 | Dembug | did i ever say that they did? |
| 04:13.41 | zinx | even quake4 runs at only 60fps :/ |
| 04:13.46 | Dembug | im exploring avenues.. |
| 04:13.53 | Wyzard | Dembug: You said "others" get 1000fps, on the server, it sounded like |
| 04:13.56 | Dembug | I know the stuff regarding freq_hz is true . |
| 04:13.57 | zinx | if you have a single quake4 server running, even a 100Hz timer is enough for it |
| 04:14.13 | zinx | if you have more than one, then you may want to increase tick rate |
| 04:14.14 | Dembug | zinx aye course |
| 04:14.15 | Wyzard | zinx: That's 60fps for drawing graphics... the server's framerate is completely unrelated to that |
| 04:14.27 | zinx | Wyzard: No, the quake4 server runs at 60fps too. |
| 04:14.34 | Dembug | sigh |
| 04:14.36 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 04:14.42 | Dembug | thanks guys |
| 04:14.44 | Dembug | big help |
| 04:14.46 | zinx | Wyzard: or in recent versions (1.4), at si_fps (which is also what the client runs at) |
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| 04:15.06 | Dembug | thanks Wyzard |
| 04:15.11 | zinx | Wyzard: now, it only sends packets out at a certain (configurable) rate, but it does process at the framerate clients run at |
| 04:15.24 | Dembug | although other unamed ppl may make trolling noises, it was a legitimate question that ive researched |
| 04:15.28 | Dembug | *cough abrotman |
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| 04:15.49 | zinx | most Quake3 games default to running at 20fps on the server :D |
| 04:15.55 | Dembug | lol |
| 04:16.00 | Wyzard | I'm surprised if it's that low |
| 04:16.01 | abrotman | Dembug: i was not! |
| 04:16.05 | zinx | which is enough for 2-3 such servers to run on one 100Hz timer system |
| 04:16.05 | Dembug | i thought that was the quake2 engine |
| 04:16.06 | Dembug | :D |
| 04:16.10 | zinx | Wyzard: it is. |
| 04:16.11 | geo-rge | legitimate on what channel tho? |
| 04:16.12 | Wyzard | but at that low a framerate, the resolution of sleep() would be less of an issue |
| 04:16.12 | Dembug | quake2 engine defaults at 25fps |
| 04:16.17 | zinx | quake1 defaults to 10fps. |
| 04:16.18 | abrotman | Dembug: you've been in here a few days .. i know you've been working on it |
| 04:16.21 | Dembug | zinx: lal |
| 04:16.28 | Dembug | abrotman :) oki mate |
| 04:16.33 | zinx | Wyzard: indeed, but it doesn't sleep(), either. |
| 04:16.44 | Dembug | just.. not trying to be an ass and make other ppl work for my question.. It's really quite damn complicated.. |
| 04:16.46 | zinx | Wyzard: it select()s which wakes immediately if the ethernet card produces interrupts |
| 04:16.50 | Dembug | everybody has a take on it thats totally different :P |
| 04:16.52 | Wyzard | How does it maintain a steady framerate without sleeping? |
| 04:16.55 | Dembug | "oh it wont do anything" |
| 04:16.56 | Dembug | :D |
| 04:16.57 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:17.00 | Dembug | "oh you dont need 1000fps" |
| 04:17.01 | zinx | Wyzard: it's very rare for one to sleep/usleep/nanosleep/etc |
| 04:17.08 | zinx | Wyzard: if there are any, they SUCK. |
| 04:17.11 | Dembug | lol |
| 04:17.14 | Dembug | steam sucks! |
| 04:17.15 | zinx | Wyzard: servers should select() or poll() or similar |
| 04:17.17 | Dembug | wouldnt surprise me. |
| 04:17.19 | zinx | Dembug: it does. |
| 04:17.24 | zinx | valve can't code worth crap |
| 04:17.28 | Dembug | yeah.. |
| 04:17.34 | Wyzard | well, the timeout of select() would suffer from the same limitation as sleep() in regard to timer resolution |
| 04:17.34 | Dembug | thats probably why im seeing the change.. actually. |
| 04:17.39 | Dembug | anything by activision is sweet |
| 04:17.41 | Dembug | or ravensoft |
| 04:17.53 | zinx | now, i won't say it suffers from that deficiency, because i don't know, but i know valve produces some junk :D |
| 04:17.58 | Dembug | its obviously some daft way srcds has been compiled |
| 04:18.02 | Dembug | omfg A SOLUTION |
| 04:18.11 | Dembug | if only it was opensource. |
| 04:18.26 | zinx | Wyzard: the timeout would, sure |
| 04:18.33 | zinx | Wyzard: but if it's getting to the timeout, it generally doesn't matter |
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| 04:18.46 | zinx | Wyzard: because there are no clients connected ;) |
| 04:18.48 | sparr | where might i find help using hugin/autopano? |
| 04:18.50 | Dembug | oh remembering srcds is a single threaded process btw |
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| 04:19.08 | zinx | Dembug: most stuff is |
| 04:19.15 | Wyzard | Dembug: That's not a bad thing |
| 04:19.16 | Dembug | tis a pity |
| 04:19.21 | Dembug | i got an omosix cluster that would die for it |
| 04:19.25 | Dembug | migshm patched too |
| 04:19.26 | Dembug | :( |
| 04:19.29 | zinx | Dembug: most wouldn't benefit from parallel processing |
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| 04:19.38 | Dembug | im thinking about the max load potential |
| 04:19.44 | Dembug | rather than the performance |
| 04:19.52 | Wyzard | Multithreading is useful for a client that needs to do graphics and sound and stuff simultaneously, but the server is basically just a single loop that repeatedly updates the world state |
| 04:19.57 | Dembug | clusters to me are for process management, not for cracking passwords 10x faster |
| 04:19.59 | Dembug | or w/e :) |
| 04:20.19 | Dembug | Wyzard aye. |
| 04:20.19 | zinx | Dembug: run multiple servers :/ |
| 04:20.26 | Dembug | hehe |
| 04:20.35 | Dembug | i got multiple duo's |
| 04:20.40 | Dembug | some amd's |
| 04:20.45 | Dembug | and some xeon's |
| 04:21.22 | Dembug | just always liked the idea of distributed smp |
| 04:21.25 | zinx | i meant multiple server processes :D |
| 04:21.30 | Dembug | ohh right heh |
| 04:21.30 | zinx | not multiple server machines ;) |
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| 04:21.56 | Dembug | gameservers suck |
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| 04:22.24 | Dembug | whats the point of new hardware if the software is so badly written i can get increases by changing the freq_hz |
| 04:22.29 | Dembug | i think thats the summary of the day Wyzard |
| 04:22.37 | SmartUnix | Hello |
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| 04:23.35 | SmartUnix | Firstly sorry for my bad English |
| 04:24.23 | SmartUnix | in fact i am using Linux one year and now i am run Ubuntu and i want to convert to Debian , Will Debian will good with me? |
| 04:24.37 | Dembug | ubuntu is debian |
| 04:24.43 | geo-rge | no |
| 04:24.47 | Wyzard | No, Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 04:24.51 | Wyzard | with differences |
| 04:24.53 | SmartUnix | yes i know |
| 04:24.53 | Dembug | ok |
| 04:25.14 | geo-rge | possibly, the only thing in common is the packaging system... IF that... |
| 04:25.21 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: Debian has a steeper learning curve -- it doesn't set up as many things for you automatically as Ubuntu does |
| 04:25.22 | Dembug | apt is there.. |
| 04:25.25 | SmartUnix | i want to use Debian becuase as i listen it's more stable and you will learn Linux with it :) |
| 04:25.26 | zinx | Dembug: heh, the only reason valve ports their game servers to linux is because so many people bitch at them if they don't ;) |
| 04:25.34 | Dembug | lol yeah |
| 04:25.36 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: It's more oriented toward servers than desktops |
| 04:25.37 | geo-rge | they are completely free to change apt/dpkg |
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| 04:25.48 | Dembug | meh |
| 04:25.51 | Dembug | fair enough.. |
| 04:25.51 | geo-rge | and the packaging format too |
| 04:25.56 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: So you'd probably have more difficulty with it at first, but it's also a great way to learn |
| 04:26.05 | iLLf8d | SmartUnix, you can learn linux with any linux just install and reconfigure services alot and spend alot of time at the command line |
| 04:26.07 | Dembug | i started with debian ;) |
| 04:26.22 | geo-rge | but even if it's exactly the same, still they build their own packages |
| 04:26.37 | Dembug | you can build your own packages in debian too |
| 04:27.03 | geo-rge | yes, but it takes a debian developer to upload them to debian repos |
| 04:27.05 | Dembug | ok ok im just arguing for the toss now, sorry |
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| 04:27.06 | SmartUnix | Well , is really Debian hard to use? |
| 04:27.12 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:27.22 | unlink | uh |
| 04:27.28 | iLLf8d | SmartUnix, you really don't know how to ask questions do you |
| 04:27.29 | Dembug | all this gaming talk got me all trolled up |
| 04:27.47 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: If you're comfortable with using a command line from time to time and you're willing to learn, no, you'll be OK |
| 04:27.50 | Dembug | SmartUnix: that dpeends on your experience, one way to find out :) |
| 04:27.51 | geo-rge | all trolled up and nowhere to go? |
| 04:27.59 | Dembug | yeah |
| 04:28.07 | SmartUnix | Great |
| 04:28.09 | Dembug | other than the datacentre |
| 04:28.25 | Dembug | its 4am ffs im not doing that again |
| 04:28.26 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: However, if you run the "stable" branch of Debian, you'll find that it's more out-of-date compared to Ubuntu -- it doesn't have all the latest versions of things |
| 04:28.28 | geo-rge | SmartUnix: try it and see |
| 04:28.44 | Dembug | Wyzard backport ftw |
| 04:28.46 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: Debian's releases focus on "tried-and-true" rather than "latest and greatest", for stability reasons |
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| 04:29.01 | iLLf8d | Wyzard, neither does ubuntu for that matter but later versions would be a better statement |
| 04:29.03 | Dembug | goodluck if you use anything beyond kerneltools though |
| 04:29.27 | SmartUnix | That's mean Debian is solid rock :) |
| 04:29.39 | Dembug | SmartUnix, well no, sarge is though |
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| 04:29.58 | Dembug | SmartUnix: and if you have balls, it might even support some woody packages... or backports |
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| 04:30.18 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: There are also the "testing' and "unstable" branches, which have newer software, but they break occasionally and you'll need to learn enough about how your system works to fix things |
| 04:30.25 | iLLf8d | SmartUnix, debians not the end all be all, but you should play with it so you can gain your own opinion of whats right for you |
| 04:30.46 | geo-rge | but having balls or backports doesn't necessarily help in the use of your computer... |
| 04:31.14 | Dembug | geo-rge aye |
| 04:31.16 | Dembug | its a last resort |
| 04:31.30 | Dembug | id prefer a backport than etch |
| 04:31.30 | anapivirtua | Hi all \ Bonjour tout le monde :) |
| 04:31.34 | Dembug | But that is just me geo-rge |
| 04:31.53 | geo-rge | Dembug: woody packages may or may not work on your machine if you run sarge or etch |
| 04:31.59 | Dembug | yeah |
| 04:32.04 | Dembug | its the dependancies that are the killer |
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| 04:32.23 | geo-rge | otoh you can build packages |
| 04:32.38 | SmartUnix | hmmm , ok i will run Debian and see if i can use it or not |
| 04:32.51 | Dembug | mmm debian requires some patiene at times heh |
| 04:32.57 | Dembug | *patience |
| 04:33.17 | iLLf8d | testing is a good place to play if thats what you're doing |
| 04:33.18 | Dembug | speciailly if your a stones through from initrd heh |
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| 04:33.49 | r3m | what is that ? is it the linux kernel |
| 04:33.49 | r3m | http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=31398&c=-3&s=dd&p=1 |
| 04:33.53 | SmartUnix | what is the deffirence between DVD and CD ? which is better to order? |
| 04:34.16 | Dembug | lol |
| 04:34.16 | Dembug | SmartUnix get the netboot |
| 04:34.38 | r3m | just a joke lol |
| 04:34.43 | geo-rge | r3m: hmm, this would be the second channel you've done that on |
| 04:34.52 | r3m | geo-rge just a joke;p |
| 04:34.56 | Dembug | r3m |
| 04:35.00 | Dembug | its SO FUNNY |
| 04:35.06 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: If you have a CD or DVD burner, you don't need to order discs in the mail at all |
| 04:35.17 | Wyzard | SmartUnix: You can just download and burn |
| 04:35.22 | Dembug | SmartUnix: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 04:35.52 | SmartUnix | My connection isn't fast , so i can't download 14 CDs |
| 04:36.07 | Dembug | SmartUnix you can download a 60mb netboot install |
| 04:36.10 | SmartUnix | So i will order it |
| 04:36.14 | geo-rge | SmartUnix: (1) you don't need to order them, you can download free. (2) you don't need them at all, you can install over the net. |
| 04:36.19 | Dembug | but heh :< youd still need to download 600mb or so for a basic CLI i think |
| 04:36.22 | iLLf8d | SmartUnix, if you have a decent connection do a netinst since your cds will probably be obsolete the second you get them |
| 04:36.37 | geo-rge | you don;t need 14 cds :P |
| 04:36.41 | Dembug | you need 1 CD |
| 04:36.46 | Dembug | 2 now i think for basic install |
| 04:36.50 | geo-rge | you don't need any cds |
| 04:37.00 | Dembug | ok, a floppy disk for netboot.. |
| 04:37.05 | Dembug | but his net is slow will take all day :D |
| 04:37.10 | iLLf8d | still |
| 04:37.12 | Guerin | one cd is a sensible minimum |
| 04:37.16 | Dembug | yes :) |
| 04:37.24 | iLLf8d | after he gets it installed he'll want to update anyway |
| 04:37.26 | Dembug | and he will probably neeed extra drivers |
| 04:37.28 | Wyzard | If you're ordering discs, get the two DVDs (assuming you have a DVD drive) |
| 04:37.35 | geo-rge | since floppies are kinda going out of style :) |
| 04:37.45 | Dembug | SmartUnix: think about the 2.6.19-rc3 backport netboot for testrun |
| 04:37.53 | nick255 | how can I get aptitude to print a list of manually selected packages? the man page talks about marking packages as being automatic or manually installed, but I want to know what packages I have deliberately installed myself instead of as a dependency |
| 04:38.04 | iLLf8d | I used to install debian years back off of 33.6k modem would take about 13 hours back then |
| 04:38.16 | Dembug | heh iLLf8d :D |
| 04:38.19 | Dembug | CLI only? |
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| 04:38.30 | iLLf8d | well in the installer progie |
| 04:38.58 | iLLf8d | so yeah but not full env till after the install |
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| 04:39.08 | Dembug | mm i just do base at netbootinstall |
| 04:39.21 | iLLf8d | yeah me too |
| 04:39.25 | Dembug | if you cant apt-get the stuff you need after, or dont want to, debian isnt the distro for you SmartUnix |
| 04:39.36 | iLLf8d | at netinst |
| 04:39.44 | Dembug | i suppose.. |
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| 04:40.29 | geo-rge | Dembug: no worries... debian changes pretty often :) |
| 04:40.32 | cld2 | So just installed etch, and it gave me a tasksel option of standard which I said no, now when im logged in and do a tasksel --list I only see laptop and manual add. how do i get the standard task? |
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| 04:40.45 | netdaemon | ah, i'm having a sligh problem with xorg |
| 04:40.49 | SmartUnix | i can use apt-get of course and i can't live without it :) , but i want the fast way to get Debian and i think order it is the fastest way :) |
| 04:40.50 | Dembug | :) |
| 04:41.03 | Dembug | SmartUnix heh probably :) |
| 04:41.07 | Dembug | 80mb is enough to boot from |
| 04:41.09 | nick255 | i would prefer with the cli. I would like to says something like "aptitude list manual" |
| 04:41.14 | Dembug | if you really want it "right now" SmartUnix |
| 04:41.14 | geo-rge | SmartUnix: that takes days |
| 04:41.25 | iLLf8d | SmartUnix, fastest way is netinst |
| 04:41.26 | netdaemon | it claims kbd synaptics and mouse modules are not found... |
| 04:41.26 | jjazz | SmartUnix: Everything you order you'll just have to download anyway when you apt-get upgrade. |
| 04:41.29 | Dembug | yup |
| 04:41.55 | Dembug | jjazz true but its significantly less if he needs lots of support for his hardware |
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| 04:42.13 | Dembug | SmartUnix: if you have a 512kbit connection, or even a 256kbit get the netinstall its only going to take a few hours! |
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| 04:42.14 | jjazz | Dembug: True. |
| 04:42.29 | iLLf8d | or faster yet have a friend with a fast connection download the netinst iso for you and run it to install base so you can play and then install the rest over the next few days |
| 04:42.40 | Dembug | ive done a netinstall off a 512kbit its not that bad :D even if you want X |
| 04:42.53 | SmartUnix | Ok , will the netinstall install something like X11 and GNOME |
| 04:43.02 | geo-rge | sometimes you just don't want x |
| 04:43.11 | Dembug | jjazz: also addmittedly he could just download the specific modules and through them on a disk :) |
| 04:43.26 | Dembug | *throw |
| 04:43.37 | Guerin | not hard |
| 04:43.39 | dondelelcaro | if you're talking about more than a few files, it'll be faster to learn how to do it and just do it |
| 04:43.40 | Dembug | mmm |
| 04:43.43 | Guerin | just requires leaving it overnight |
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| 04:43.51 | Dembug | SmartUnix what is your connection? |
| 04:44.07 | xerophyte | with dpkg how can i lost only the installed packages ?? |
| 04:44.21 | Guerin | xerophyte: ?? |
| 04:44.26 | Dembug | lol |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | xerophyte: you mean `list'? |
| 04:44.36 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 04:44.36 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 04:44.41 | SmartUnix | it's dial-up , 512kbit |
| 04:44.45 | xerophyte | Guerin, dpkg --list .. list all the packages how can i only list installed one |
| 04:44.50 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: see above. |
| 04:44.53 | xerophyte | thx |
| 04:44.55 | netdaemon | damnit... |
| 04:45.06 | netdaemon | don't understand why it worked on my last install, but not on this |
| 04:45.08 | nick255 | xerophyte: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 04:45.15 | Dembug | netdaemon same machine? |
| 04:45.18 | jjazz | grep ^ii |
| 04:45.54 | Dembug | its probably the kernel , or the driver support for the disks |
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| 04:45.54 | netdaemon | yes the same machine |
| 04:45.55 | Dembug | oh :( |
| 04:46.02 | Dembug | any error? |
| 04:46.11 | nick255 | but my problem is i want to list even fewer packages. I just want to list the ones I said to install instead of what came from a dependency. Which I know aptitude knows about. |
| 04:46.17 | netdaemon | kbd, mouse, and synaptics modules not found |
| 04:46.26 | netdaemon | neither is video device |
| 04:46.38 | Dembug | same disk? |
| 04:46.49 | Dembug | any modifications to your BIOS? |
| 04:46.51 | geo-rge | nick255: it doesn't store that informatio |
| 04:46.53 | netdaemon | same disk |
| 04:46.56 | netdaemon | no modifications |
| 04:47.06 | cld2 | can someone explain this to me. im coming from ubuntu so sorry for the stupidity. im trying to change. I just did a netinst with no tasks selected. I want to now install openssh. do I need to pick a mirror from some list somewhere to install from? I dont have the pkg cd's |
| 04:47.20 | Dembug | netdaemon thats weird dude.. makes it sound like you need better support. |
| 04:47.43 | netdaemon | i don't get why it worked before =\ |
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| 04:47.53 | geo-rge | cld2: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:47.53 | Dembug | I mean a machine generally either accepts or does not accept a debian netinstall disk |
| 04:47.57 | netdaemon | with no problems whatsoever |
| 04:48.05 | Dembug | ahh i might know |
| 04:48.08 | Dembug | try linux26 |
| 04:48.12 | Dembug | at bootime |
| 04:48.42 | netdaemon | amd64, thats the only choice ;) |
| 04:48.42 | Dembug | heh |
| 04:48.42 | geo-rge | ghosts like bootime |
| 04:48.43 | Dembug | :( |
| 04:48.45 | rolandpish | Hi there, I needed some advice cause I have some Etch downloading issue |
| 04:48.54 | cld2 | geo-rge: I only have the cdrom and 1 security.debian.org updates |
| 04:48.59 | nick255 | geo-rge: read the markauto, unnmarkauto section of the aptitude manpage |
| 04:49.06 | Dembug | netdaemon: no idea, id personally just try another disk. |
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| 04:49.20 | netdaemon | i have no other disk and i'm on dial =( |
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| 04:49.30 | Dembug | netdaemon: if nothing really has changed and your doing the same things.. it has to be the disk |
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| 04:50.13 | geo-rge | cld2: replace cdrom line(s) with: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 04:50.29 | geo-rge | oh, etch? |
| 04:50.37 | cld2 | geo-rge: or etch? instead of sarge |
| 04:50.42 | geo-rge | right |
| 04:50.44 | cld2 | thanks. |
| 04:50.46 | netdaemon | Dembug: used the disk for months though =( |
| 04:50.48 | geo-rge | then apt-get update |
| 04:50.53 | cld2 | yup. thanks. |
| 04:50.55 | SmartUnix_ | Bye SmartUnix :D |
| 04:51.00 | netdaemon | would debian install not catch a corrupt package? |
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| 04:51.17 | geo-rge | cld2: but on the other hand, you could pick a closer mirror too |
| 04:51.23 | Dembug | netdaemon:its logically impossible for it to work one day and then not , and if you have eliminated everything apart from the disk. No matter how unlikely, that must be the only plausible explanation. |
| 04:51.35 | cld2 | geo-rge: do you know the url to the list? |
| 04:51.36 | Dembug | elementory, dear watson :D |
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| 04:51.47 | geo-rge | somewhere off of www.debian.org |
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| 04:51.53 | geo-rge | (surprised? :) |
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| 04:52.14 | cld2 | geo-rge: hehe, its a big site. im looking through the map now. thanks. |
| 04:52.26 | geo-rge | just look on the left |
| 04:52.36 | enouf | cld2: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 04:52.44 | cld2 | enouf: thanks. |
| 04:52.48 | geo-rge | pahah khaaa geez |
| 04:53.20 | geo-rge | err |
| 04:53.23 | geo-rge | packages |
| 04:53.47 | netdaemon | core keyboard not found... |
| 04:53.51 | netdaemon | perhaps the config goofed |
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| 04:54.59 | rolandpish | Downloading Etch dvd iso's will take me more than 1 week. Is this a problem? |
| 04:54.59 | Dembug | netdaemon: goodluck |
| 04:55.02 | Dembug | i have to go now ppl |
| 04:55.07 | Dembug | really enjoyed the chat (and debate) |
| 04:55.16 | enouf | netdaemon: try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
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| 04:56.03 | netdaemon | enouf: i feel stupid now... |
| 04:56.08 | netdaemon | those deps where covered before |
| 04:56.10 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 04:56.20 | Dembug | lol i feel stupid to |
| 04:56.24 | enouf | netdaemon: there's a bug .. dunno how you caught it though |
| 04:56.25 | Dembug | because i thought you were unable to install the OS |
| 04:56.57 | netdaemon | Dembug: i use CLI frequently, lol |
| 04:57.09 | Dembug | ahh but you said you couldnt install :> |
| 04:57.12 | Dembug | you didnt say CLI worked. |
| 04:57.18 | Dembug | i was just being ignorant admittedly.. |
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| 04:57.42 | hype | http://kmwarren.imarichkid.hop.clickbank.net |
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| 04:58.00 | geo-rge | !ops hype spammer |
| 04:58.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: geo-rge complains about: hype spammer |
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| 04:58.21 | Dembug | !ops hype spammer |
| 04:58.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dembug complains about: hype spammer |
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| 04:58.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@24.96.153.104] by peterS |
| 04:58.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 04:58.49 | Dembug | heh |
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| 04:59.37 | Dembug | ok im off chaps |
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| 04:59.38 | Dembug | take care all |
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| 05:00.32 | peterS | dembugs don't usually come out this time of year |
| 05:01.17 | geo-rge | dembugs dembug dem bag o bugs |
| 05:01.59 | peterS | well, I'm probably misreading it, I just took his nick as shorthand for 'democrat bug' which is what we call a particular pest in this part of the world |
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| 05:02.20 | peterS | yay, more bugs |
| 05:02.24 | cockroach | hi. i have a weird issue on one of my machines: slmon shows a total cpu usage of between 97% and 99%, in top, however, I have two processes using each about 1.3% CPU, a few with < 1 and other that that just zeros. where does my cpu time go? |
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| 05:03.10 | peterS | cockroach: I'm not familiar with slmon, the usual way to get this type of information is with 'top'. does that help? |
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| 05:04.28 | geo-rge | top takes up quite a bit of cpu time itself tho... instance of observer-affecting-observed |
| 05:04.35 | cockroach | peterS: not really. if i add up all the numbers in top i get about 5%. it also says "load average: 1.97, 2.20, 2.16" which is imho *rather* high :) - and "Cpu(s): 45.8% us, 53.8% sy" |
| 05:04.53 | peterS | geo-rge: a little. but on modern CPUs it's a pretty minor effect, tenths of a percent of one CPU |
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| 05:05.41 | cockroach | top uses 0.3 ... |
| 05:06.08 | geo-rge | that's sortof a lot |
| 05:06.16 | cockroach | 0.3 % |
| 05:06.25 | geo-rge | oh |
| 05:06.28 | cockroach | :) |
| 05:06.49 | peterS | it only seems like a lot if your CPU is otherwise completely idle, so top shows up on its own list. and that's exactly when you don't care how much CPU it needs, because you have plenty of it (: |
| 05:06.50 | cockroach | hrm, just saw that i have a |
| 05:06.58 | cockroach | oops, sorry for that |
| 05:07.09 | Rusty1 | there's also slabtop and htop FWIW |
| 05:08.14 | cockroach | okay, checking htop, just a sec |
| 05:09.11 | cockroach | aha, nice. htop shows a firefox instance at >90% which, for whatever reason, top chose to hide |
| 05:09.19 | cockroach | thanks for the hint |
| 05:09.37 | Rusty1 | np :-) |
| 05:10.02 | peterS | cockroach: oh, that's odd. but at least it solves your mystery |
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| 05:10.28 | cockroach | peterS: indeed. well, i'll just use htop in the future. looks kinda nice anyway... |
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| 05:11.09 | cld2 | im sorry to be dense. If I want to be able to install packages that are debian only. not like flash and such, for etch. what would I add in my /etc/apt/sources.list ? to install say openssh-server or samba? thanks. |
| 05:12.26 | SmartUnix | My laptop only have DVD reader , will it read DVD-RW DVDs ? |
| 05:13.15 | cld2 | SmartUnix: for the most part |
| 05:13.23 | Dembug | cockroach: ive seen top use 99% cpu for a splitsecond |
| 05:14.00 | Rusty1 | cld2: nothing other than a working mirror, and , of course, apt-get update before trying to apt-get install anything |
| 05:14.12 | geo-rge | cld2: didn't I give you a line to add? |
| 05:14.19 | cld2 | Rusty1: im wondering about all the code words behind it. |
| 05:14.38 | cld2 | geo-rge: yeah it works but i get errors about no public keys |
| 05:14.50 | cld2 | and Im wondering about the non-free are those just "portions" that are being added? |
| 05:14.56 | geo-rge | oh, you can install the keyring |
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| 05:15.03 | cld2 | like I said, sorry to be dense |
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| 05:15.12 | geo-rge | !etch key |
| 05:15.12 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:15.24 | linux_jones | how do i update to the newest kernel for sarge? and will my ndiswrpper will work if i do? |
| 05:15.43 | peteweez | Is there a jingle (google talk voice chat) compatible IM client that does -NOT- use qt or kde? |
| 05:15.43 | geo-rge | doo dat dpkg ding |
| 05:18.25 | g333k | Hi, if I have to connect to internet through a proxy, where so I specify apt to connect to it to get the pkgs? |
| 05:18.56 | *** part/#debian grim (n=grim@guifications/developer/grim) |
| 05:19.10 | geo-rge | !apt proxy |
| 05:19.33 | SubStack | !proxy |
| 05:19.33 | dpkg | from memory, proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 machines on your ... |
| 05:19.44 | SubStack | that wasn't helpful |
| 05:20.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 618] by debhelper |
| 05:20.09 | SubStack | maybe try setting HTTP_PROXY will do the trick |
| 05:20.11 | SubStack | just a guess though |
| 05:20.31 | SubStack | or FTP_PROXY |
| 05:20.46 | peterS | g333k: lowercase, actually - the 'http_proxy' variable |
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| 05:22.08 | peterS | g333k: or put the following in /etc/apt/apt.conf: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:password@proxy.server/" |
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| 05:22.22 | peterS | I think that's the right syntax, I haven't had to use a proxy myself |
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| 05:26.24 | g333k | peterS, thanks I will try it |
| 05:27.02 | peterS | g333k: see 'man apt.conf' which is where I checked my information |
| 05:27.33 | g333k | ok |
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| 05:28.54 | peterS | g333k: looking again at that manpage, I notice I forgot to tell you to end the line with ; so make sure you do that (: |
| 05:29.30 | deebu | hi...i have a question...do the 3 debian dvds have everything from main, universe and multiverse? or things just from universe? |
| 05:29.37 | g333k | peterS, thats what i'm figuring out right now |
| 05:30.02 | geo-rge | wha'ts a universe |
| 05:30.03 | peterS | deebu: debian has no 'universe' or 'multiverse'. please go to #ubuntu |
| 05:30.23 | kalila | any thoughts on gobolinux? |
| 05:30.26 | kalila | they redefined the FS structure of unix |
| 05:30.32 | Guerin | kalila: haha |
| 05:30.34 | geo-rge | maybe he wants to know about debian :P |
| 05:30.50 | peterS | geo-rge: well, universe and multiverse exist in ubuntu, so I assume that's what he really meant |
| 05:31.24 | geo-rge | deebu: debian has: main, contrib, non-free... does not have: anything with a verse |
| 05:31.24 | Guerin | kalila: `hey, here's this thing which has been working brilliantly for over 30 years, which millions of people around the world know and love - let's utterly fuck it up just for a laugh~' |
| 05:31.36 | deebu | oh im sorry.. |
| 05:31.45 | cld2 | for sarge, in the sources.list are the main non-free and contrib all locked? |
| 05:31.54 | peterS | locked? |
| 05:32.07 | Faithful | HardDisk_WP: Did you get it sorted? |
| 05:32.08 | deebu | so does the 3 debian dvds have everything from main, contrib n nonfree?? |
| 05:32.12 | cld2 | not being updated anymore expect for major bug or security fixes? |
| 05:32.24 | geo-rge | deebu: probably |
| 05:32.34 | peterS | deebu: debian dvds don't include non-free. they probably do include contrib, but I can't remember for sure now |
| 05:32.55 | geo-rge | but... as you might know you don't need any dvds or cds |
| 05:33.14 | peterS | some stuff in non-free _can't_ go on a CD that you sell to a third party, their licenses prohibit 'commercial' distribution |
| 05:33.26 | cld2 | so main non-free and contrib are the 3 "groups/types" of packages? |
| 05:33.38 | peterS | and Debian cares a lot about allowing people to burn and sell Debian CDs |
| 05:34.19 | geo-rge | so debian will refuse to distribute anything that would prevent the whole cd from being legally not distributable |
| 05:35.16 | sparr | in not so few words, yes :) |
| 05:35.44 | deebu | peterS, on distrowatch page, i see that Etch include mplayer, vlc n xine n wine...wow..so will i find all this stuff on the 3 dvds itself?? |
| 05:35.57 | geo-rge | dunno |
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| 05:38.15 | deebu | On distrowatch page, i see that Etch includes mplayer, vlc n xine n wine...wow..so will i find all this stuff on the 3 dvds itself?? it would be great for me as im on slow internet.. |
| 05:38.48 | peterS | deebu: etch isn't released yet, but yes, those packages are all in debian 'main' so they will be on the CD/DVD images |
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| 05:39.12 | jetscreamer | mplayer is in main? |
| 05:39.17 | peterS | deebu: and don't forget totem, which is probably the best video player that uses the xine libraries |
| 05:39.26 | Guerin | jetscreamer: for a couple months now |
| 05:39.30 | peterS | jetscreamer: yes! after only 34 years of excuses, it finally is |
| 05:39.32 | Guerin | peterS: give over |
| 05:40.00 | deebu | peterS, coooooooooooool...............but totem=best video player? cough! cough! ;) |
| 05:40.07 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 05:40.09 | peterS | deebu: the best one that uses the xine libraries, yes |
| 05:40.13 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:40.34 | jetscreamer | so i guess they finally fixed totem-xine |
| 05:40.47 | jetscreamer | i tried it once a long time ago |
| 05:40.58 | deebu | peterS, i think vlc=best video player........it even plays my dvd isos!!! NO other player does that... |
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| 05:41.08 | jetscreamer | yes they do |
| 05:41.33 | peterS | deebu: vlc uses the xli |
| 05:41.40 | peterS | deebu: uh, I mean, vlc does not use the xine libraries |
| 05:41.48 | peterS | deebu: so I'm a bit lost about what you're arguing about |
| 05:42.13 | deebu | peterS, hmm...im arguing abt best video player...irrespective of xine engine etc.. |
| 05:42.19 | jetscreamer | Do you want to erase any previously downloaded .deb files? [Y/n] |
| 05:42.23 | peterS | deebu: well, I never said totem was the best video player |
| 05:42.42 | deebu | peterS, well...ok...but i prefer kaffeine to totem:) |
| 05:42.43 | jetscreamer | !flame vlc |
| 05:42.43 | dpkg | vlc: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 05:42.55 | deebu | !vlc |
| 05:42.55 | dpkg | vlc is, like, the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 05:43.03 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 05:43.23 | Guerin | vlc is good |
| 05:43.27 | Guerin | totem is shit, however |
| 05:43.31 | Guerin | xine-ui is better |
| 05:43.38 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 05:43.39 | cld2 | anyone know where to get a list of packages for the "standard" task during install. I didnt do it and im regretting it. id like to see what would have been installed. thanks. |
| 05:43.45 | deebu | Guerin, i agreeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:43.51 | floundering | OK I got a 1.44 floppy formatted with an old dos util (hd-copy) to 1.72mb and the linux kernel fits fine on this. but grub complains about trying to read blocks outside the partition when trying to boot it. What am I missing? |
| 05:43.53 | jetscreamer | no cld2 you did right |
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| 05:44.03 | Guerin | it pains me to say xine-ui is better than anything, since it itself is so shit |
| 05:44.09 | cld2 | jetscreamer: buy not doing standard? |
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| 05:44.23 | jetscreamer | now apt-get install xorg or x-window-system, then gnome-core or kd-base or so |
| 05:44.29 | jetscreamer | s/then/and/ |
| 05:44.36 | cld2 | jetscreamer: this is for a server |
| 05:44.39 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:44.41 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:44.42 | deebu | i wonder when Etch final will be out....been waiting for it for eternity........ |
| 05:44.45 | cld2 | headless. thanks though :) |
| 05:44.52 | jetscreamer | still i don't like tasksel's choices |
| 05:45.02 | jetscreamer | not sure aboutr server flavor though |
| 05:45.03 | peterS | deebu: I doubt that. you've been waiting, at most, 19 months |
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| 05:45.23 | jetscreamer | he meant testing, not etch... |
| 05:45.24 | cld2 | yeah, I dont want to just install 217 packages without knowing what is what but id like to see the list of standard to pick and choose now after the fact |
| 05:46.20 | deebu | peterS, bcoz im in love with debian so even one second feels like a century;) |
| 05:46.47 | Faithful | how do you check a swap partition for bad sectors? |
| 05:49.36 | peterS | Faithful: first 'swapoff' it, then run 'badblocks' on it, then 'mkswap' it again if there were no bad blocks found |
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| 05:50.42 | peterS | Faithful: well, the last 'mkswap' is only needed if you use 'badblocks -w', but you probably do want to use that |
| 05:52.45 | cld2 | ok, this has me worried. I dont have the file command. should I have installed the standard task? |
| 05:53.48 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:53.49 | Faithful | peterS: thanks... |
| 05:54.31 | cld2 | jetscreamer: thanks. 38 packages to get. |
| 05:54.49 | karsten | package of the day: bogosort |
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| 05:54.59 | cld2 | on a side note is it possible to tell or know when apt-get or aptitude upgrade wants you to reboot? is there a special exit code? |
| 05:55.15 | jetscreamer | if you upgrade the kernel basically |
| 05:55.39 | jetscreamer | or it will say 'you should reboot or restart services' or somehting |
| 05:55.51 | jetscreamer | i think it's findutils btw |
| 05:55.57 | jetscreamer | the package name |
| 05:56.21 | cld2 | jetscreamer: thanks. :) but if you were going to do hands free uprade do you know of a way to tell? |
| 05:57.15 | dendrite | cld2: Maybe look into the code that handles openssl updates -- it tries to find dependent daemons to suggest restarting. |
| 05:57.17 | jetscreamer | beats me i couldn't find it |
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| 05:58.20 | cld2 | dendrite: thanks. ill poke around there |
| 05:59.04 | dendrite | cld2: Fact is, there are damn few reasons to reboot. kernel update, libc update, that's about it. |
| 05:59.50 | karsten | dendrite: NFS + LDAP + automounter b0rkeness. |
| 05:59.51 | cld2 | dendrite: thats what I figured |
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| 06:00.24 | cld2 | and its not like a new version of samba, or of most anything is going to be being pushed once/if you are using stable. |
| 06:00.42 | dendrite | karsten: Well, Yeah, b0rkness can be an excuse too, in general. =) |
| 06:01.22 | karsten | dendrite: zombies, hung resources., stuck mounts, etc. I'm working in the NFS + LDAP + automount environment from hell ATM. |
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| 06:02.55 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.02 | Skiver | !paste |
| 06:04.02 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:04.02 | sparr | should "cat /dev/dsp" show me audio coming in from my mic? |
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| 06:04.51 | karsten | sparr: I've never tried catting from it. cat file > /dev/dsp generally produces white noise. |
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| 06:05.46 | Skiver | hello, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 06:05.52 | karsten | Is there any source of good information, debian-specific, on nfs + ldap + autofs? |
| 06:05.53 | Skiver | my traceroute result |
| 06:05.57 | pacopablo | I have a package that failed to install, and now every time I run apt it complains about failing on the post-install script of the package in question, how do I remove said package? apt-get remove didn't work |
| 06:06.00 | karsten | Skiver: No it's not. |
| 06:06.20 | karsten | pacopablo: 'bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 06:06.26 | karsten | pacopablo: ... and see where it's failing. |
| 06:06.41 | Skiver | karsten, i know, is my router blocking it at 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 06:06.49 | karsten | pacopablo: Usually it's trivial to correct the problem. Or swap "exit 0" at end of file. |
| 06:07.00 | karsten | Skiver: should be something ending in digits. |
| 06:07.16 | karsten | Skiver: You pasted the paste *input* link. |
| 06:07.47 | Skiver | sorry |
| 06:07.49 | Skiver | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5040 |
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| 06:07.55 | karsten | Skiver: Right, better |
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| 06:08.17 | karsten | Skiver: What's the question? |
| 06:08.32 | karsten | Skiver: And may I recommend mtr. |
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| 06:10.21 | Skiver | karsten, why is there "*" in between #1 and #10 |
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| 06:10.52 | Skiver | karsten, I should be getting some hostnames etc ? |
| 06:11.27 | multi_io | Skiver: the intermediate routers may be configured to not return the pings traceroute sent |
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| 06:12.04 | azrail | how do i install java-runtime env ? |
| 06:12.08 | pacopablo | karsten: thanks for the help |
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| 06:12.40 | dendrite | !java |
| 06:12.40 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 06:13.28 | azrail | !install java |
| 06:13.28 | dpkg | somebody said install java was First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 06:14.15 | azrail | i need the sun version |
| 06:14.20 | Skiver | multi_io, can it be my ISP ? |
| 06:14.25 | karsten | Skiver: Dunno. I recommend using mtr. |
| 06:14.30 | azrail | so how do i install it or whats the package name ? |
| 06:14.38 | azrail | coz i cant view vnc java pages |
| 06:14.47 | azrail | !sun-java5-jdk |
| 06:15.00 | multi_io | Skiver: unlikely; you're getting some packets back after all (#10) |
| 06:15.23 | karsten | !mtr |
| 06:15.23 | dpkg | [mtr] a Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 06:15.23 | azrail | anyone ? |
| 06:15.32 | azrail | ? |
| 06:15.47 | Skiver | karsten, hold on, gettin' it |
| 06:16.06 | karsten | Skiver: mtr-tiny is just the ncurses version, which I vastly prefer. |
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| 06:16.17 | azrail | so how do i install it or whats the package name ? |
| 06:16.21 | azrail | how do i install java-runtime env ? |
| 06:16.37 | karsten | azrail: Got to Sun's java pages and RTFWS |
| 06:16.45 | Skiver | karsten, i don't care..i just want to traceroute! |
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| 06:16.50 | azrail | GO FUCK URSELF |
| 06:16.53 | azrail | DICKHEAD |
| 06:16.55 | cld2 | what does a ~ infront of a package mean? |
| 06:16.57 | azrail | fucking idiot |
| 06:16.58 | Skiver | LOL |
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| 06:17.04 | karsten | !ops azrail abusive. |
| 06:17.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: azrail abusive. |
| 06:17.09 | azrail | imbread cunt. |
| 06:17.16 | azrail | !oops STFU |
| 06:17.27 | Skiver | azrail calm down |
| 06:17.35 | multi_io | azrail: sun-java5-jdk |
| 06:17.36 | azrail | you fucking red neck |
| 06:17.44 | azrail | yeahh |
| 06:17.47 | azrail | hmm |
| 06:17.51 | dendrite | azrail: What's your problem? Remember, this is IRC. You really need to chill out, for your own good. |
| 06:17.51 | azrail | apt-get ? |
| 06:18.06 | Skiver | azrail, get sun-java5-jre |
| 06:18.07 | azrail | fair eunff. |
| 06:18.19 | Skiver | if you only want WEB PAGEs to display applet correctly |
| 06:18.20 | azrail | yeh how with apt-get ? |
| 06:18.27 | GeorgeS069 | might wanna get a spell checker too :) |
| 06:18.31 | azrail | uhh huh |
| 06:18.31 | Guerin | mm, how does one force mv to move dotfiles/dirs as well? |
| 06:18.39 | Guerin | and why the FUCK would it not do so by default? |
| 06:18.42 | azrail | aight dickhead ill get a spell checker. |
| 06:18.44 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 06:19.06 | cld2 | Guerin: -R ? |
| 06:19.17 | karsten | Guerin: Are you globbing? |
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| 06:19.23 | azrail | Package sun-java5-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:19.26 | azrail | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 06:19.26 | azrail | is only available from another source |
| 06:19.27 | azrail | E: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate |
| 06:19.33 | karsten | Guerin: mv $( ls -A ) |
| 06:19.39 | streuner | Guerin: 'mc' can do it, so there must be a way in 'mv' |
| 06:20.00 | azrail | fucking retard its not even on the debian package site. |
| 06:20.00 | Guerin | karsten: mv * /foo |
| 06:20.07 | Guerin | i thought it was a simple request |
| 06:20.22 | multi_io | mv * .* /foo |
| 06:20.27 | cld2 | azrail: fucking retard is a backport |
| 06:20.30 | Guerin | azrail: stop being a fucktard |
| 06:20.31 | karsten | azrail: Installing Sun's Java remains something of a pain in the ass, and has been in a constant state of flux for the past four or five years. /msg dpkg for information. I'm not current on it. Sun's own Java site seems to be frequently pointed at. |
| 06:20.45 | karsten | Guerin: * doesn't glob dotfiles, dolt! |
| 06:20.48 | azrail | ahh fuck u cunt |
| 06:20.53 | azrail | shut up |
| 06:21.05 | Skiver | ban him |
| 06:21.15 | streuner | Can someone ban this troll? |
| 06:21.17 | cld2 | I remember what it was like being 12. anyone else? |
| 06:21.21 | Skiver | karsten, mtr works perfectly. thanks. |
| 06:21.22 | karsten | Skiver: Ops are out. Might just package up a little tirade for telstra though. |
| 06:21.26 | karsten | Skiver: ;-) |
| 06:21.30 | azrail | ahaha troll fucking tools. |
| 06:21.39 | karsten | RichiH: Ping! |
| 06:21.44 | azrail | lmao @ telstra |
| 06:21.48 | azrail | u fucking fuck-bag |
| 06:22.07 | azrail | u might want to do a nslookup fuck wit. |
| 06:22.43 | karsten | azrail: nslookup is deprecated. |
| 06:23.02 | azrail | i dont care fucking cunt |
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| 06:23.03 | streuner | azrail: Don't HIT the enter button TOO MUCH! |
| 06:23.05 | Guerin | azrail: what's your problem? Wife left you for someone with a decent-sized cock? |
| 06:23.06 | streuner | !enter |
| 06:23.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 06:23.16 | azrail | d0wma CHOP CHOP ! |
| 06:24.31 | azrail | i go now |
| 06:24.34 | jetscreamer | great |
| 06:24.41 | azrail | but before i leave |
| 06:24.45 | azrail | i place a C4 |
| 06:24.56 | Skiver | it's true that people without patience can't handle linux. |
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| 06:25.08 | cld2 | wow |
| 06:25.08 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 06:25.09 | dendrite | What a dork. |
| 06:25.10 | karsten | Skiver: ... or brains. |
| 06:25.23 | Skiver | haha |
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| 06:27.07 | karsten | !monday |
| 06:27.07 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 06:27.15 | sidistaken | not to state the obvious, but sid is nice these days... ( been a while since I used Debian) |
| 06:27.38 | cld2 | how do I list all the pkgs installed on my machines? |
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| 06:27.48 | karsten | sidistaken: The cool kids have sid and etch in their sources.list, and pin to etch. |
| 06:27.52 | streuner | cld2: dpkg -l |
| 06:27.57 | karsten | cld2: dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:28.22 | Guerin | but, hell no, #d doesn't need any more ops |
| 06:28.24 | karsten | Technically, streuner wins, but they're pretty similar. |
| 06:28.27 | cld2 | streuner, karsten: thanks. |
| 06:28.34 | DimmuR | morning |
| 06:28.39 | pacopablo | gentoo, arch, and a few other distros that I've seen have an /etc/conf.d/ where environment variables for given init scripts are placed. Does debian have an equivilant? If not, how are such things generally handled (pointers to docs welcome) |
| 06:28.43 | sidistaken | karsten: actually I've looked at etch and sid in a chroot and both are really nice :) |
| 06:28.46 | karsten | DimmuR: Speak for yourself ;-) |
| 06:28.51 | m0rbid | =) |
| 06:28.52 | streuner | cld2: you should really read man dpkg and man apt-get in order to have fun with debian. |
| 06:28.57 | DimmuR | karsten: i am :) |
| 06:29.00 | karsten | pacopablo: /etc/environment |
| 06:29.18 | karsten | pacopablo: ... or maybe not. |
| 06:29.27 | pacopablo | not quite the same |
| 06:29.27 | cld2 | streuner: yeah, im in the midst of doing just that. and got side tracked with another question. |
| 06:29.32 | karsten | pacopablo: There's also /etc/default/* |
| 06:29.57 | pacopablo | hmm, I'll try that, thanks |
| 06:30.35 | karsten | pacopablo: /etc/conf.d/ sounds sort of BSDish, in a SysV kind of a way. |
| 06:30.35 | Skiver | hey karsten there comes another problem, any way to copy the result from MTR ? |
| 06:30.46 | cld2 | when I do tasksel --task-packages standard I get these 3 packages ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant - what does that mean? |
| 06:30.55 | karsten | Skiver: Cut and paste. You can also run it in batch mode. |
| 06:31.03 | pacopablo | karsten: yeah, I believe it is, as that's kind of where gentoo and arch are coming from (ports-ish) |
| 06:31.24 | karsten | Skiver: Conveniently called "report" mode (--report). |
| 06:31.31 | cld2 | pacopablo: hence portage? the package managment system for gentoo. |
| 06:31.39 | karsten | pacopablo: yeah. Just checked, RHEL4 doesn't have it. |
| 06:31.47 | karsten | cld2: Bingo. |
| 06:32.55 | cwheeler | anyone here compiled the non-free nvidia kernel module? |
| 06:33.52 | sidistaken | !anyone |
| 06:33.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 06:34.57 | Guerin | karsten: hm, i take it * not matching dotfiles is documented someplace? |
| 06:35.22 | Guerin | that was a frightening moment where I thought I'd losted most of the mail in my imap filders |
| 06:35.39 | karsten | Guerin: bash(1) |
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| 06:35.56 | Guerin | karsten: rr |
| 06:36.13 | Skiver | karsten, does --report take a long time ? |
| 06:36.20 | rasta | my monitor resolution for my laptop is 1024 x 768 and its the limit, is there anyway i can force it to use a higher res |
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| 06:36.35 | Guerin | rasta: no. |
| 06:36.57 | Guerin | rasta: lcd pixels are fixed dot-pitch, which means they can't change size to give you a better resolutionm |
| 06:37.01 | karsten | Skiver: Not sure. I usually run manually, generally get a minute or so's results, freeze screen (C-s), snarf-n-barf via X11, then resume (C-q) and generally quit. |
| 06:37.10 | karsten | rasta: With another monitor, yes. |
| 06:37.15 | karsten | rasta: ... erm, maybe. |
| 06:37.21 | sidistaken | rasta: the definition of "limit" is pretty clear I would have thought :) |
| 06:37.28 | Guerin | rasta: you can sometimes run a higher resolution, but what happens is that your screen won't be able to display the whole desktop at once |
| 06:37.29 | sid | I have this DOS6.22.iso file, it's a iso9660 image for burning to discs, and has dos on it.(it works I've tested it), I have some stupid bios update from dell, that is an exe file, How can I mkisofs a new image, and add this dellbios.exe to the DOS6.22.iso image? |
| 06:37.43 | karsten | rasta: My laptop is 1024x768 native but can drive that plust 1600x1200 (or so) dual-head |
| 06:38.39 | rasta | its just that my destop pc feels so much better, im feel limited |
| 06:38.44 | karsten | Guerin: 'EXPANSION', specifically "Pathname Expansion" |
| 06:38.47 | Skiver | karsten, wow this --report is analyzing every node involved. |
| 06:38.51 | karsten | rasta: Yeah. |
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| 06:38.58 | karsten | Skiver: Hrm. I should try that... |
| 06:39.05 | Guerin | karsten: heh, I found it on teh goog already, but thanks for your dedication :) |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | Guerin: it's useful to review the basics from time to time. |
| 06:39.30 | karsten | Guerin: ... order of expansion, for example. |
| 06:39.33 | Guerin | yeh, f'real |
| 06:40.04 | karsten | Skiver: Might want to set '-c' or -report-cycles' to something finite. |
| 06:40.14 | karsten | Skiver: eg: mtr -c 10 --report 158.140.1.1 |
| 06:40.39 | Skiver | it's 10 by default. |
| 06:40.44 | karsten | Skiver: ... the result is pretty much the same as if you'd let an interactive session run by default. |
| 06:40.53 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 06:41.07 | karsten | Sydney's only 19.4 ms away! |
| 06:41.13 | karsten | Woah.... |
| 06:41.32 | Skiver | karsten, i get a GTK window if I type "mtr" alone |
| 06:41.49 | Skiver | karsten, that's where i have problem copy from. |
| 06:42.04 | karsten | You have: 19.4 light milliseconds |
| 06:42.08 | karsten | You want: miles |
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| 06:42.21 | sid | mkisofs -input-charset cp437 -o burnmeplz.iso -b DOS6.22.iso |
| 06:42.22 | karsten | 3613.8785 |
| 06:42.27 | sid | What is wrong with that syntax? |
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| 06:43.00 | GeorgeS069 | karsten: continental drift? |
| 06:43.24 | karsten | GeorgeS069: Hell, at this rate, more like turbo-drive. |
| 06:43.42 | karsten | GeorgeS069: Maybe that's why azair was so testy. Seasick. |
| 06:43.43 | Guerin | karsten: be happy: that means you'll be in summer any second now |
| 06:43.46 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 06:44.07 | GeorgeS069 | maybe the SA fault is getting bigger so SF is getting closer |
| 06:44.07 | karsten | Ah. Wrong IP. |
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| 06:44.35 | karsten | GeorgeS069: Unfortunately it doesn' twork that way. |
| 06:44.44 | sid | mkisofs -input-charset cp437 -o burnmeplz.iso -b DOS6.22.iso dellbios.exe |
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| 06:45.30 | GeorgeS069 | sid: I'm not sure but,perhaps you could mount the .iso and then add the .exe file to it and then burn it |
| 06:46.07 | karsten | Hrm. What's the apm command (or other) to invoke suspend? |
| 06:46.24 | sid | GeorgeS069: How do I add the file to the iso? I do "mount -o loop DOS6.22.iso blah" cp dellbios.exe blah? |
| 06:46.27 | dendrite | karsten: apm -s |
| 06:46.39 | karsten | bash: apm: command not found |
| 06:46.40 | dendrite | karsten: man apm for details, there are other ways, iirc. |
| 06:46.50 | karsten | Oh well. Need to get that sorted here. |
| 06:46.51 | GeorgeS069 | sid: yes but,I'm not 100% sure that will work....worth a try though |
| 06:46.57 | karsten | T30 Stinkpad. |
| 06:46.58 | dendrite | karsten: apt-get install apm maybe? |
| 06:47.10 | karsten | dendrite: Naw... ;-) |
| 06:47.44 | sid | GeorgeS069: So my mount command mounts it as read only, how do I mount an .iso as read/write/ |
| 06:48.25 | GeorgeS069 | sid: no clue...you could check man mount and see what the man says about it |
| 06:48.43 | Guerin | hm, volatile appears to not be registering packages on mah sarge |
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| 06:50.07 | Bogus8 | quick question.. what is a tight no frills IM client? |
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| 06:50.19 | GeorgeS069 | sid: I think you just put rw at the end of the command to make the mount read and write |
| 06:50.20 | dendrite | Bogus8: pork |
| 06:50.23 | sidistaken | Bogus8: gossip (for jabber) |
| 06:50.31 | cld2 | etch is inetd based not xinetd? is that correct? |
| 06:50.34 | Bogus8 | i'm looking for yahoo, msn, aim |
| 06:50.52 | dendrite | Bogus8: pork does IM; I use it. |
| 06:50.59 | Bogus8 | I use miranda in windows.. it's VERY effecient... idles at like 400k |
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| 06:51.17 | Bogus8 | dendrite: I'm checking it out now |
| 06:51.17 | sidistaken | Bogus8: GUI ? Anything wrong with gaim or kopete? |
| 06:51.39 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: does kopete run with out KDE? |
| 06:51.39 | dendrite | sidistaken: I run pork in screen. :-) |
| 06:51.55 | sidistaken | Bogus8: yes, but it needs KDE libs etc |
| 06:52.02 | sid | GeorgeS069: http://rafb.net/p/yl7fWE69.html |
| 06:52.12 | cld2 | how the heck do you restart inetd? |
| 06:52.26 | sidistaken | dendrite: a well for CLI there are possibilities, yes :) |
| 06:52.27 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: I'm on a 600mhz laptop with 256mb ram and a 6gig drive |
| 06:52.35 | Bogus8 | hense why I'm trying to stay clean and tight |
| 06:53.05 | m0rbid | is there a specialty room for wireless issues? |
| 06:53.10 | sidistaken | Bogus8: Luxury! /me used to run woody on a P 200 mmx 64MB RAM ;p |
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| 06:53.14 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: I'm a total CLI lover... but pork only does AIM right? |
| 06:53.14 | GeorgeS069 | sid: try this mount DOS6.22.iso tmp -o loop rw |
| 06:53.52 | sid | GeorgeS069: That just outputs mount usage to me. |
| 06:53.55 | sidistaken | Bogus8: dunno - never tried it - there's some gateway thing that lets you use IM with an IRC client... |
| 06:54.04 | sidistaken | beetlbee ? |
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| 06:54.35 | Guerin | Bogus8: go and sit in the corner, dunce. |
| 06:54.46 | Bogus8 | sorry |
| 06:54.52 | Guerin | sidistaken: /connect im.bitlbee.org; follow instructions |
| 06:54.56 | Guerin | sidistaken: in your irc client |
| 06:55.22 | Bogus8 | I was trying to get the version of my irc client... I use irsee CLI IRC client |
| 06:55.28 | sidistaken | Guerin: ah yes - i remember now - thanks :) |
| 06:55.49 | Bogus8 | err irssi ...see that's why I was trying to find out haha |
| 06:55.54 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:56.00 | malt | is debain more stable then ubuntu? |
| 06:56.03 | malt | or about the same |
| 06:56.16 | m0rbid | I have unstable, running the 2.6.18-3-386 kernel image, ndiswrapper v1.33, and gcc-4.1. The wireless card actually sees the gateway, but for some reason, it will not obtain an IP. No WEP. I filter MAC's instead. Any Ideas? |
| 06:56.19 | sidistaken | Bogus8: erm, you didn't know what client you were using ? |
| 06:56.23 | dendrite | malt: No, Debian is completely unusable. That's why we all use Ubuntu. |
| 06:56.44 | malt | :/ |
| 06:56.45 | Guerin | malt: if you run debian's stable branch, it's much more so. If you run testing or unstable, it varies. |
| 06:56.51 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: I forgot the name.. I run it in screen and launch it by script (though I haven't launched it in 250 something days) :) |
| 06:57.36 | malt | could i do a backup of my ubuntu server, and it work for debain? |
| 06:57.45 | malt | debian* |
| 06:58.18 | dendrite | malt: If you only backup/restore content, then you should be able to make it work. |
| 06:58.27 | Guerin | malt: you want to change from ubuntu to debian on your server? |
| 06:58.35 | malt | yes |
| 06:58.43 | cyzie | i have install mysql 5 and phpmyadmin. why when i go to the firefox and enter localhost/phpmyadmin i got a download instead of the login page? |
| 06:58.44 | Guerin | malt: it would require some tweaking, but it's doable |
| 06:58.53 | malt | I am use to ubuntu, but i heard debain used less resources, and more stable |
| 06:59.02 | GeorgeS069 | sid: might be a file permission problem |
| 06:59.04 | Guerin | cyzie: you don't have apache set up properly to serve php |
| 06:59.16 | malt | is debain almost the same? for example to install packages like sudo apt-get install? |
| 06:59.30 | sidistaken | malt: start by speeling it right :) |
| 06:59.42 | m0rbid | cyzie: check apache config, and make sure php* is installed, and if apache is loading the modules correctly for php. |
| 06:59.50 | malt | yes i know sorry sidistaken |
| 06:59.57 | Guerin | whee, 114 bugs in my sarge security upgrade |
| 07:00.05 | cyzie | M0ffe, how to check ? |
| 07:00.21 | Bogus8 | sorry for all the "newb" like questoins... I've been running a couple different flavors of linux for about 3 years now... this is just my first time with an actual GUI desktop ;) |
| 07:00.23 | sidistaken | malt: I speel reel good - I learn it in a book :-D |
| 07:00.25 | Guerin | malt: yes. |
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| 07:00.59 | malt | thanks Guerin, sidistaken is a trying to be a smart ass. |
| 07:01.11 | malt | is trying* |
| 07:01.16 | sidistaken | malt: bah, get a sense of humour dork |
| 07:01.18 | Guerin | !spelingsmite sidistaken |
| 07:01.45 | Guerin | malt: smart-assery is the lingua franca of hashdweebian |
| 07:01.47 | malt | sidistaken i know. I just feel bad because i have mono right now. :( |
| 07:01.48 | Guerin | malt: get used to it |
| 07:01.52 | malt | I have had it for 17 weeks |
| 07:01.58 | sidistaken | malt: OK :) |
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| 07:03.34 | dendrite | malt: Are you encountering "instability" with your current setup? |
| 07:04.05 | malt | well memory resources is bad on my linux server i think |
| 07:04.22 | malt | just apache, with a 2 slot game server, and IRCD server is using like 400 mb |
| 07:04.27 | Guerin | malt: how much ram, and what are you doing with it? |
| 07:04.34 | dendrite | malt: Odds are Ubuntu and Debian aren't too different there, but I could be wrong. Are you running X on your server? |
| 07:04.35 | malt | it should be using at max like 200 mb |
| 07:04.44 | Guerin | well, not necessarily |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | malt: /msg dpkg free ram |
| 07:05.09 | GeorgeS069 | sid: any luck? |
| 07:05.23 | sidistaken | Kamping_Kaiser: you get around :) I'm here incognito on my Sid chroot |
| 07:06.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | sidistaken, hehe. i sure do. |
| 07:06.34 | sidistaken | Kamping_Kaiser: think of Thoreau for a hint :) |
| 07:06.38 | eltopo | Hi |
| 07:06.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | sidistaken, ah, hehehe |
| 07:06.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | gotcha |
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| 07:07.35 | cyzie | what module i need to load Guerin ?? |
| 07:07.40 | eltopo | not sure |
| 07:07.44 | malt | Also, when setting up user accounts on the linux box, is it always better to have a admin account to manage the system. Then have another account with limited access only to its home user directory? for like web sites, and stuff like that |
| 07:07.46 | malt | IRCD |
| 07:07.52 | Guerin | !htfswk cyzie |
| 07:07.52 | dpkg | cyzie: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:07.58 | cyzie | LOL |
| 07:08.05 | cyzie | it's the mysql and phpmyadmin :-s |
| 07:08.17 | Guerin | cyzie: maybe install libapache[2]-mod-php[45] |
| 07:08.26 | cyzie | okie. thanks i have a look |
| 07:08.31 | dendrite | malt: Rather the opposite. If you just allow qualified users to admin, then you have a better audit trail. |
| 07:08.41 | Guerin | cyzie: and maybe others, too |
| 07:08.50 | dendrite | malt: Use sudo to allow users to admin. |
| 07:09.13 | diskus_ | dendrite: he meant probably that services should be run as user, and not have any root access |
| 07:09.15 | cyzie | thanks Guerin |
| 07:09.25 | malt | dendrite: so have all accounts limited? where they use sudo to admin the system? |
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| 07:10.14 | diskus_ | malt: yes, use limited account all the time, and when necessary use sudo or su |
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| 07:11.50 | dendrite | Hmm. I just read an article extolling the health benefits of curry, and now I want some! :-/ |
| 07:13.07 | scx | how do I find information (think "man") for LD_PRELOAD= options ? |
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| 07:16.23 | holycow | hey guys |
| 07:16.51 | holycow | how do i find out where a package installs stuff? i need to know where postgres is installed |
| 07:17.24 | sidistaken | holycow: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 07:17.31 | holycow | oh! thanks! |
| 07:17.33 | GeorgeS069 | sid: you'll have to build the iso image again put/extract/cp the original iso files into a clean dir and then add the .exe to that dir and use mkisofs to make the new image |
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| 07:23.46 | wam_ | Hi, where do I get python2.5 for debian sarge? |
| 07:24.48 | GeorgeS069 | wam: not sure 2.5 is available yet |
| 07:25.21 | GeorgeS069 | atleast not for sarge |
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| 07:31.35 | nvz | !info python |
| 07:31.46 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: if you are interested CenterICQ is a CLI that does it all |
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| 07:32.00 | Bogus8 | as far as IM/Chatting is concerned |
| 07:32.09 | nvz | gaim has a CUI now.. but I dont know that it ever made it into debian |
| 07:32.23 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 07:33.07 | jetscreamer | !irssi |
| 07:33.07 | dpkg | somebody said irssi was the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
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| 07:34.25 | nvz | python 2.5 was released Sept 19 2006 but doesnt seem to be in debian but I can look harder I suppose |
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| 07:34.38 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: I agree ;) |
| 07:34.49 | sidistaken | Bogus8: ah OK - thanks :) |
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| 07:35.19 | Bogus8 | sidistaken: only bad thing is I don't know if it can do *bell* for sound in screen :( |
| 07:35.40 | Guerin | centericq is a waste of time |
| 07:35.49 | Guerin | just use irssi and bitlbee |
| 07:36.19 | Bogus8 | Guerin: bitlbee does yahoo, aim, and msn? |
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| 07:36.28 | Bogus8 | because I'm already using irssi |
| 07:36.52 | Guerin | Bogus8: and jabber and icq |
| 07:37.04 | Guerin | Bogus8: /connect im.bitlbee.org; follow instructions |
| 07:37.19 | Guerin | the only thing it doesn't do is DCC, which is a feature as far as I'm concerned |
| 07:37.27 | sidistaken | !lart Bogus8 |
| 07:37.34 | nvz | where the hell did that wam character go? |
| 07:37.35 | Bogus8 | Guerin: thanks... wish I would have found this 2 years ago |
| 07:38.05 | nvz | I didnt see any parts yet I dont see any wam_ |
| 07:38.09 | cld2 | oh oh Bitlbee is sweet |
| 07:38.22 | nvz | hmm maybe I got parts ignored |
| 07:38.23 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I can't seem to sort out my dcc issues with my other 3rd party windows IM clients so no big deal to me |
| 07:38.25 | cld2 | Bogus8: it didnt work for shite 2 years ago |
| 07:38.35 | nvz | I _did_ just switch back to my old hd recently |
| 07:38.39 | Bogus8 | I just put things on my web server when I want to send... others just have to email me ;) |
| 07:38.58 | Guerin | cld2: lies! |
| 07:39.06 | Guerin | cld2: i've been using it since sometime in 2003 |
| 07:39.13 | Guerin | oh, maybe 2004 |
| 07:39.17 | Guerin | but ages ago, anyway |
| 07:39.25 | cld2 | Bogus8: one thing you might watch out for. im.bitlbee.org is trust worthy, but it does store you account password on there server |
| 07:39.27 | GeorgeS069 | python2.5 doesn't seem to even be on backports.org yet |
| 07:39.36 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:39.48 | cld2 | Guerin: ok, im sorry. it just seemed to me that in the last year its gotten to the point of being really nice. |
| 07:40.01 | Guerin | cld2: given that IM is sent in mostly plaintext via innumerable third-party-controlled servers, that's not a concern for me |
| 07:40.11 | Guerin | cld2: i haven't noticed any change :) |
| 07:40.11 | Bogus8 | cld2: so, you are warning me but also telling me not to worry about it? |
| 07:40.53 | cld2 | Bogus8: just letting you know. the bitlbee.org server is trustworthy I think, but others might not be. |
| 07:40.55 | Guerin | Bogus8: if you consider any IM other than GPG or otherwise end-to-end encrypted jabber secure, you're utterly fucking insane, so with that in mind, it's hardly an issue |
| 07:41.25 | Bogus8 | Guerin: well, I'm not trading top secret info on there any how |
| 07:41.26 | cld2 | yeah, as he says. you are sending your password in plain text anyways. |
| 07:42.05 | cld2 | Guerin: do you know how to use bitlbee for IM and IRC from the same #bitlbee channel? are there any extensions? |
| 07:42.24 | Guerin | cld2: no idea |
| 07:42.45 | Guerin | i'd run my own bitlbee server if it didn't run out of inetd, which i hate |
| 07:42.48 | cld2 | ok. thanks. thats the one thing I dislike about it. but oh well. screened IM that looks like work is great. |
| 07:42.53 | Bogus8 | it does pull your contacts from the server right? |
| 07:43.02 | cld2 | Bogus8: yeah. correct. |
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| 07:43.15 | Bogus8 | cld2: ok, the help almost sounded like I had to put them there |
| 07:43.29 | Guerin | cld2: it works in the same instance of irssi, if that's what you meanm |
| 07:43.35 | cld2 | Bogus8: no. when you turn on an account you added all your buddys join the channel |
| 07:43.49 | Guerin | just like irssi can join multiple irc servers, it can join bitlbee as well as others |
| 07:44.13 | cld2 | Guerin: ok, thats what Ive been doing. just making sure its the way to go about it. |
| 07:44.26 | Bogus8 | yeah, I have it on screen 6 here |
| 07:44.28 | predder | When I mount a usb flash drive writes to it are buffered, is there anyway to make the "realtime" |
| 07:44.59 | Guerin | predder: run && sync after every command? |
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| 07:45.31 | predder | Guerin, I wasn't aware of sync, thanks |
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| 07:46.07 | jetscreamer | can't you set that in fstab? |
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| 07:46.56 | jetscreamer | ah yes you can |
| 07:47.14 | jetscreamer | i knew there was async |
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| 07:49.39 | cld2 | Guerin: what WM do you use that lead you to a cli im? |
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| 07:50.37 | deadcat | how do i connect to a machine via serial cable? software? |
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| 07:51.08 | sidistaken | deadcat: "slip" from memory |
| 07:51.14 | Bogus8 | Guerin and cld2 thanks... I think I'm really going to like this bitlbee! |
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| 07:51.33 | cld2 | Bogus8: it takes a bit to get used to but its great once you do |
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| 07:51.42 | Bogus8 | though centericq isn't too bad either at first glance |
| 07:51.53 | cld2 | i looks like work if your boss ever shoulder surfs |
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| 07:52.24 | cld2 | Bogus8: there is also pork if you need only aol and want a bit more gui ness via ncurses |
| 07:52.27 | dogmeat | is there a way to modify files on an ntfs partition? |
| 07:52.39 | dogmeat | e.g. mounted from ntfs? |
| 07:53.03 | sidistaken | dogmeat: google ntfs-3g |
| 07:53.03 | deadcat | sidistaken: thanks. |
| 07:53.24 | Bogus8 | cld2: yeah, but I rarely use aim only like one person on it... but the gui type ncursers is what I like about centericq |
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| 07:53.28 | deadcat | sidistaken: nope. |
| 07:53.36 | sidistaken | deadcat: yes :) |
| 07:53.44 | Bogus8 | it's so like irssi I keep trying tab completion on commands though ;) |
| 07:53.45 | deadcat | i need a software to connect to my qube3 server via serial cable. |
| 07:53.45 | sidistaken | deadcat: I just googled it ! |
| 07:53.51 | deadcat | sidistaken: no debian package |
| 07:54.10 | sidistaken | deadcat: I think slip is the protocol |
| 07:54.16 | sidistaken | like ppp etc |
| 07:54.27 | cyzie | other than phpmyadmin, is there any other GUI for me to create db , run query , etc etc in mysql ? |
| 07:54.39 | sidistaken | deadcat: the equivalent for parallel ports is plip IIRC |
| 07:55.15 | dogmeat | sidistaken: thanks |
| 07:55.27 | sidistaken | dogmeat: good luck |
| 07:55.28 | sidistaken | :) |
| 07:57.10 | sidistaken | dogmeat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Line_Internet_Protocol |
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| 07:58.34 | deadcat | whats the software to use? |
| 07:59.01 | sidistaken | deadcat: never needed it - try apt-cache search slip ? |
| 07:59.06 | deadcat | i did |
| 07:59.13 | YogSothoth_ | Hi :) |
| 07:59.16 | deadcat | then how do i connect? |
| 08:00.02 | sidistaken | deadcat: no idea - look for a howto - that's what I would do anyway |
| 08:00.13 | Guerin | !:E |
| 08:00.13 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 08:00.32 | Eclipser | :> |
| 08:00.41 | Guerin | goddamnit, I have to get a shirt which says fhtagn |
| 08:00.44 | sidistaken | deadcat: linux documentation project probably has info on slip |
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| 08:01.20 | Bogus8 | Guerin: ok, I've read the help and the docs... but I still am not getting how do you "connect" |
| 08:01.29 | Bogus8 | I do blist and it's just me |
| 08:01.36 | Bogus8 | no one is online |
| 08:02.42 | sidistaken | deadcat: oops the wikipedia URL was for you ^^^ Sorry |
| 08:02.48 | sidistaken | sorry dogmeat |
| 08:03.08 | deadcat | sidistaken: just stop helping me. thanks |
| 08:03.22 | sidistaken | :( |
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| 08:03.55 | sidistaken | deadcat: nice response to someone trying to help - get a life |
| 08:04.26 | Bogus8 | Guerin: never mind I got it... cherio |
| 08:05.24 | sidistaken | !lart deadcat for being an ungrateful asshole |
| 08:05.49 | kalila | what's a cli utility to get stats off httpd logs |
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| 08:08.19 | deadcat | sidistaken: you are kinna useless |
| 08:12.49 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: try minicom maybe |
| 08:12.55 | karsten | kalila: less |
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| 08:13.39 | karsten | kalila: Generally I gin stuff up using grep / sed / awk as needed. |
| 08:13.42 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: thanks. thats what i am using right now. but i dont know how to connect to it. |
| 08:13.52 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: it shows offline right now. |
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| 08:15.20 | GeorgeS069 | hang on a sec....I haven't used minicom since the early 90's |
| 08:15.27 | deadcat | thanks |
| 08:15.41 | deadcat | i've never used it before. i just bought the cable few days ago and i just got the qube3 tonight. |
| 08:15.57 | sid | jetscreamer: I had A27 bios, I got A32, and I changed some bios "UMA" setting from 1 to 8, and now instead of gnome using a small part of the screen, it uses a medium part. still no where near full though |
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| 08:16.40 | dendrite | deadcat: You probably need to go in and tell it what serial port to bind to, and what communication parameters to use. |
| 08:17.06 | dendrite | deadcat: Once you do that, it should just ... work. I.e., you should see a serial login screen. |
| 08:17.14 | deadcat | dendrite: go into the server(qube3) or the client(desktop)? i have no access to the server (no passwd) |
| 08:17.19 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: start with this hold ctrl and hit a then hit z and it should bring up a menu hit O(capital O not zero) and go to setup the serial port |
| 08:17.28 | dendrite | deadcat: Client. As in setup for minicom. |
| 08:17.40 | sid | How can I make pcspkr not load into the kernel? short of rm -rf the module? |
| 08:17.46 | deadcat | ah.. let me try |
| 08:19.51 | GeorgeS069 | man that brings back memories |
| 08:20.07 | deadcat | it got the ip from my dhcp server |
| 08:20.20 | dendrite | GeorgeS069: Not too distant memories for me, I went through all that with the Cisco routers I was working with. |
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| 08:20.25 | GeorgeS069 | should be able to telnet into it then |
| 08:20.51 | dendrite | !blacklist |
| 08:20.51 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 08:21.20 | dendrite | sid: You get that? ^^^ |
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| 08:22.31 | GeorgeS069 | That's what I used to use minicom on...mostly Cisco and waaayyy back when I had a bunch of modems to play with |
| 08:22.34 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: ya. but i dont have username passwd (= |
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| 08:22.51 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: should be a "default" |
| 08:22.53 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: i am gonna take the hdd out and edit the passwd file. i remove the root passwd but it wont let me telnet in (= |
| 08:23.02 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: it has stuff on the system.. |
| 08:23.31 | GeorgeS069 | lol...the serial connection will probably ask for a login then also |
| 08:23.40 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: ya. as root |
| 08:23.50 | deadcat | i remove the :x: for root |
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| 08:24.01 | dendrite | deadcat: You in? |
| 08:24.37 | deadcat | dendrite: nah.. dont know how to use minicom.. but the qube3 got the ip from my dhcp server. but i need to get in and flash the firmware though. |
| 08:24.45 | GeorgeS069 | I think he got in through telnet |
| 08:24.52 | GeorgeS069 | or alsmot in anyway |
| 08:25.00 | GeorgeS069 | *almost |
| 08:25.04 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: nope.. no username.. |
| 08:25.05 | deadcat | (= |
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| 08:25.53 | GeorgeS069 | minicom should work if you set the serial port settings properly but,the system is still going to ask for login info |
| 08:26.32 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: OPTIONS: I18n, Port /dev/ttyS0 for minicom |
| 08:27.20 | deadcat | i still gonna need minicom to install later too. but i am gonna edit the passwd file. |
| 08:27.31 | deadcat | can i lgoin telnet if the account has no passwd? regular account. |
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| 08:28.07 | GeorgeS069 | I've never used a qube so i can't say |
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| 08:28.55 | deadcat | ha. i got into my friend's account (= she got a weak ass passwd. but it wont let me telnet though |
| 08:29.00 | deadcat | i got in via the web thing |
| 08:29.01 | capiira | hi anyone here have an idea what i need to do to get kdm to start after a fresh etch installation? |
| 08:29.05 | pavi | I cant get xwindows |
| 08:30.32 | Bogus8 | is there a way to change your resolution on the fly on the console? |
| 08:30.32 | sep | capiira, etch ? |
| 08:30.35 | capiira | yeah |
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| 08:31.15 | capiira | i just used that etch kde netinstall command |
| 08:31.27 | deadcat | time to take the disk out. |
| 08:31.39 | capiira | tasks="kde-desktop, standard" |
| 08:31.39 | sep | capiira, i believ the installer is broken, and that you must install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 08:31.49 | capiira | oh |
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| 08:31.57 | sep | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:32.07 | capiira | its the command so |
| 08:32.10 | capiira | ? |
| 08:32.23 | netdaemon | ah |
| 08:32.29 | sep | the command would be aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 08:32.53 | capiira | and to reconfigure? |
| 08:33.06 | sep | that's just as i wrote it |
| 08:33.10 | kalila | in my server logs, one chinese IP has an awful lots of hits, orderes of magnitude higher than the second |
| 08:33.11 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 08:33.15 | capiira | let me try |
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| 08:33.21 | sep | then /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 08:33.24 | kalila | does china route everything through one IP? |
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| 08:33.27 | sep | but you can try with startx first |
| 08:33.38 | capiira | yeah dont work |
| 08:34.21 | sid | When does 2007 key come out? |
| 08:35.02 | deadcat | ok. shell is changed... let me if i can login with her account then su to root (= then we flash the fimrware hehehe |
| 08:35.45 | Mazingaro | please, I donwloaded debian 3.1r4 from debian.org, but images are only 1.1GB |
| 08:35.59 | Mazingaro | ftp server stated 4.4GB |
| 08:36.00 | sep | Mazingaro, compare the md5sums |
| 08:36.08 | Mazingaro | sep :( |
| 08:36.49 | sep | Mazingaro, if your lucky you can resume them, if your unlucky there is allways rsync. and why dont you use the netinstall in the first place ! |
| 08:37.07 | Mazingaro | sep: I write the iso on dvd |
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| 08:37.41 | Mazingaro | sep: I already wrote it :( |
| 08:37.41 | netdaemon | netinstalls ensure a clean, and crapless install =D |
| 08:37.43 | fireba11 | Mazingaro: as long as you don't install it on a box without network no need for DVd images |
| 08:37.59 | Mazingaro | fireba11: this is the case! |
| 08:38.25 | sep | Mazingaro, and youll never ever get network on that box either ? since cd1 is a lot smaller then dvd1 :) |
| 08:39.04 | Mazingaro | md5sum are different |
| 08:39.08 | Mazingaro | dvd is useless |
| 08:39.11 | Mazingaro | bastard! |
| 08:39.14 | deadcat | damn. the qube3 is only 300mhz.. i was hoping 450mhz |
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| 08:39.28 | GeorgeS069 | slap a cat5 on that bad boy and do a net install |
| 08:39.30 | deadcat | maybe i can buy a 450mhz cpu (= |
| 08:39.44 | vaq | deadcat: You can buy my Sun Cobalt RAQ550 :D |
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| 08:40.00 | cydork | Mazingaro: how did you download it? use wget next time :) (check -c option) |
| 08:40.05 | deadcat | vaq: nice.. now how do connect via minicom? (= |
| 08:40.18 | Skiver | hello, for starter, is there a program to compile c++ codes? |
| 08:40.30 | netdaemon | Skiver, g++ |
| 08:40.31 | Mazingaro | I waste a dvd |
| 08:40.32 | vaq | deadcat: minicom? Do you mean for screen? |
| 08:40.49 | deadcat | vaq: doesnt matter. i just need to get in as root or something. (= |
| 08:40.51 | Bogus8 | is there a way to change your resolution on the fly on the console? |
| 08:40.57 | deadcat | vaq: how do i use screen to connect? |
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| 08:41.10 | vaq | deadcat: Serial Cable. |
| 08:41.11 | Mazingaro | cydork: but amd64 is good :) |
| 08:41.14 | deadcat | i have root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash <-- but i cant login |
| 08:41.22 | Skiver | netdaemon, can it procude a exe ? |
| 08:41.24 | deadcat | vaq: i have that connected. but how to use screen to connect? |
| 08:41.48 | vaq | deadcat: I used HyperTerm to connect to the box, but that was in windows. |
| 08:41.50 | deadcat | shit. i should remove the shadow in shadow file too eh? |
| 08:42.01 | deadcat | vaq: no windows here. you said screen |
| 08:42.28 | sparr | Is there anywhere I might find a list of image/audio/video codecs and what transformations can be done to each losslessly? |
| 08:43.00 | netdaemon | Skiver, no...produces linux binary |
| 08:43.11 | vaq | deadcat: my bad, my question about the minicom was, if you meant for video output from the server heh. Well i used Windows and HyperTerm to connect. Try find a serial connecter program in your distro. |
| 08:43.20 | netdaemon | not sure about an ap that produces exe =\ |
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| 08:43.29 | Skiver | netdaemon, is there anything on linux can compile c++ and procude exe ? |
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| 08:43.33 | linux_user400354 | if i have windows in raid 0, does that mean i can not mount the ntfs windows partitions in linux? |
| 08:43.43 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: this is the line in the qube3: 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/consoled /sbin/getty ttyS0 115200 |
| 08:44.01 | netdaemon | Skiver, i havn't a clue, but i don't think so |
| 08:44.18 | netdaemon | it would mean a need for windows API and such |
| 08:44.23 | capiira | hmm sep i still get the same problem |
| 08:44.28 | Bogus8 | Skiver: I think you need a C++ compiler that runs on windows to do that |
| 08:44.32 | capiira | still cant start kdm |
| 08:44.43 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: you'll need to know which tty you will be using on the system you are logging in from and put that into the minicom settings |
| 08:44.57 | netdaemon | Skiver, devc++ for windows will do that job |
| 08:45.29 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: ttyS0 isnt it? |
| 08:45.39 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: or you mean `tty` ? |
| 08:45.58 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: no idea....you setup the system ttyS0 is a good place to start though |
| 08:45.59 | Skiver | netdaemon, Bogus8 : so there's no way someone can code something will run in windows on linux ? |
| 08:46.29 | Bogus8 | Skiver: you can code it, but not sure about compiling it ;) |
| 08:47.04 | capiira | hmmmm anyone else here know how to get kdm to start after a fresh etch install? |
| 08:47.35 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: you should also make sure you have the parity and stop bit set correctly....that info should come with qube3 docs |
| 08:47.49 | Skiver | capiira: what's the msg |
| 08:47.49 | GeorgeS069 | and the baud rate ofcourse |
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| 08:48.00 | capiira | fatal IO error 104 |
| 08:48.01 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: this is harder than compiling a kernel. |
| 08:48.12 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install |
| 08:48.19 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 08:48.31 | capiira | connection reset by peer on x server 0:0 |
| 08:49.09 | sep | capiira,look further up what error ? |
| 08:49.30 | Skiver | capiira: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere ? |
| 08:49.35 | sep | !paster |
| 08:49.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:49.39 | capiira | hmmmm it scrolls away soo fast |
| 08:49.42 | capiira | hehe |
| 08:49.58 | capiira | let me try again if i can see more |
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| 08:50.42 | capiira | failed to open framebuffer device nv(0) |
| 08:51.11 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: ok...so it's ttyS0 on the qube but what you need to know is which tty you will be using on the PC that is connectiong to the qube and put that setting into minicom |
| 08:51.42 | capiira | let me try to reconfigure |
| 08:51.48 | GeorgeS069 | minicom will not "auto detect" anything for you |
| 08:51.48 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: tty you mean my /dev/pts/8 ? |
| 08:52.05 | Skiver | capiira that one line alone is hard to trace. |
| 08:52.50 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: no...should be /dev/ttyS0 on the PC |
| 08:52.54 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: or i ahve to do this from console on the client as well |
| 08:53.26 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat yes...minicom has to be setup for the proper tty on the client PC |
| 08:53.33 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: damn i am in X |
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| 08:54.28 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: you are in X on the qube3 ? |
| 08:54.41 | capiira | working now |
| 08:54.44 | capiira | thx a lot |
| 08:54.50 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: no i am in X on my desktop.. |
| 08:54.59 | capiira | it was a framebuffer option in xorg |
| 08:55.36 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: open a terminal window and start up minicom then set it up for the serial port on that system |
| 08:56.18 | GeorgeS069 | or find a gui replacement for minicom and install that |
| 08:56.23 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: thats what i was doing... the xterm is /dev/pts/8 |
| 08:56.36 | deadcat | ah cutecom (= |
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| 08:57.32 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: that should work but,I have never used it |
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| 09:00.26 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: you'll have to compile cutecom from source |
| 09:00.46 | deadcat | i ahve cutecom installed already |
| 09:01.24 | deadcat | i am trying to remove the hdd and edit the passwd file again.. the hdd power adaptor is to tight now. )= |
| 09:01.24 | deadcat | damn |
| 09:01.24 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: I'm looking at it now...definately use that |
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| 09:03.05 | GeorgeS069 | wish we had a "cutecom" 15 years ago...I coulda used it |
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| 09:03.23 | deadcat | haha |
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| 09:08.54 | Stephaknee | is there a resume generator hidden in apt somewhere? |
| 09:09.13 | Stephaknee | i'm a shitty writer. |
| 09:10.15 | GeorgeS069 | Stephaknee: try an apt-cache search resume |
| 09:11.01 | Stephaknee | GeorgeS069: I'm not that stupid. I already tried that. The only useful result is "xml-resume-library", which really does not sound like what i need. |
| 09:11.16 | Stephaknee | i just want plaintext, nothing fancy. there used to be nice msdos programs for this. |
| 09:11.24 | blondie | search for cv, their proper name ;) |
| 09:11.40 | Stephaknee | wtf is cv? |
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| 09:11.59 | blondie | curriculum vitae |
| 09:12.10 | blondie | what americans call a resume |
| 09:12.43 | Stephaknee | and why do you have to start that nationalism crap, with "their proper name"? |
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| 09:13.31 | Stephaknee | "cv" comes up with a load of X packages and cvs stuff |
| 09:13.34 | SlayerXP | Stephaknee: McDonalds will provide you with that information when you apply. |
| 09:13.44 | blondie | well |
| 09:14.04 | Stephaknee | SlayerXP: what the fuck? |
| 09:14.15 | SlayerXP | case dismissed. |
| 09:14.37 | blondie | nevermind |
| 09:15.45 | Stephaknee | Why does IRC have to be so full of fucking assholes like you? |
| 09:15.56 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 09:15.58 | blondie | touchy |
| 09:16.10 | SlayerXP | NEXT! |
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| 09:19.01 | slicky|tyst| | i have a problem, i cant install rtorrent in debian sarge netinstall.. |
| 09:19.44 | vaq | don't tell us about your problem, explain the problem. |
| 09:20.33 | slicky|tyst| | i cant find it in the repos.. |
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| 09:21.30 | vaq | slicky|tyst|: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=rtorrent |
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| 09:22.10 | slicky|tyst| | kk, and to install it: dpkg -i ? |
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| 09:22.34 | vaq | yes dpkg -i debfile.deb |
| 09:23.01 | slicky|tyst| | well.. here iv got a problem.. that i cant translate to you lol |
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| 09:24.27 | slicky|tyst| | like.. rtorrent needs the version of libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but the system got: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 |
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| 09:28.39 | slicky|tyst| | i need a newer version of a lot of packages.. but it just wont let me install them |
| 09:28.54 | deadcat | vaq: did you have to run cmos -c console on? |
| 09:29.13 | netdaemon | slicky|tyst|, did you try dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:29.45 | slicky|tyst| | netdaemon yepp.. nothing to do.. |
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| 09:33.21 | slicky|tyst| | bbl |
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| 09:34.22 | Kryptor | I LOVE DEBIAN!!! |
| 09:34.27 | Kryptor | IT IS THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEM MADE!!! |
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| 09:36.28 | SerajewelKS | Kryptor: glad you like it, i do too :) |
| 09:36.35 | deadcat | still can connect via serial console.. should i show you guys some screenshot of what i am looking at? |
| 09:36.48 | Kryptor | SerajewelKS lets BE FRIENDS!! |
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| 09:37.45 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: did you try changing the serial settings in cutecom? |
| 09:37.45 | blondie | o.O |
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| 09:38.04 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: yes. let me screenshot it. |
| 09:38.09 | GeorgeS069 | k |
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| 09:38.29 | iuso | hi, there doesn't seem to be a source package for xen linux kernel. i'd need highmem 64gb support for a server, what's the best way to enable it? |
| 09:38.58 | vaq | kernel recompile. |
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| 09:39.41 | iuso | vaq: sure, but you see it's a bit difficult without a source to recompile? |
| 09:39.46 | Kryptor | SerajewelKS why dont you talk to me about what you have setup in debian, then i can tell you my experiances |
| 09:40.24 | snail | iuso: i htink you're looking for a patch on a normal kernel rather than a distinct kernel? |
| 09:40.48 | vaq | iuso: retrieve the XEN source http://bits.xensource.com/oss-xen/release/3.0.3-0/src.tgz/xen-3.0.3_0-src.tgz |
| 09:40.48 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/a.jpg |
| 09:41.07 | iuso | vaq: thanks for the link |
| 09:41.15 | SerajewelKS | Kryptor: well, right now i'm working on a c# project in monodevelop, which uses dbus |
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| 09:41.39 | Kryptor | your a programmer? |
| 09:41.41 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: /var/log/syslog : Jan 9 01:39:37 hades kernel: ppdev0: unregistered pardevice |
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| 09:42.25 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: try /dev/ttyS1 |
| 09:42.27 | vaq | iuso: at the buttom of the README it is explained how to define which two kernels you want to use as domU and dom0. The path is defined and make dist is run and then you would get to promt for making both kernels. Where you can enable high mem support. |
| 09:42.43 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: ok. but the inittab shows ttyS0 |
| 09:43.41 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: you could try a slower baud rate |
| 09:43.47 | deadcat | k |
| 09:44.01 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: should i edit qube3's inittab? |
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| 09:44.29 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: no...adjust the tty and the baud rate in cutecom |
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| 09:44.42 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: look at this: http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install right under Part II, i dont get the boot from the network step. |
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| 09:44.49 | deadcat | k |
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| 09:45.10 | anapivirtua | Bonjour \ Hello |
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| 09:46.37 | iuso | vaq: with debian's xen kernel i could only get domU's to boot with the same kernel as dom0 |
| 09:46.41 | SerajewelKS | Kryptor: yes |
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| 09:46.51 | Kryptor | i dont program i just fuck shit up |
| 09:47.00 | blondie | disgraceful |
| 09:48.16 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: I am lost....what exactly are you trying to do now? |
| 09:49.16 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: i am trying to netboot the qube3.. but i need to be connected to the qube3 via console in order to set the install... |
| 09:49.38 | iuso | snail: do you know where to find patches? |
| 09:49.48 | SerajewelKS | this is what i'm working on right now, it's turning out quite nicely: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9404/fuzzbq3.png |
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| 09:50.53 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: it would appear from that website that if you have a monitor and keyboard connected to the qube that you can select a netboot direct from the keyboard |
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| 09:51.35 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: nope. the qube dont ahve mon nor keyboard. tahts why i need the serial console |
| 09:51.49 | SerajewelKS | !wud |
| 09:51.49 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 09:51.54 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: :) |
| 09:52.18 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i got the firmware upgraded so far.. it will support ext3 once i can install heheh |
| 09:52.58 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: ok...so you will have to adjust the serial port settings in Cutecom until you find the proper port(ttyS0 maybe)....I don't see the point in changing any settings on the qube at this point though |
| 09:53.38 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: The one assumption is that you have a crossover serial cable with a female db9 connector on it to talk to the cobalt's serial console. |
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| 09:53.47 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: i think i missed the crossover part )= |
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| 09:54.39 | signature16 | How do I restart a service? |
| 09:54.55 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.08 | gans20|malchik | hello there |
| 09:55.15 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: try different tty settings and slow down the baud rate to 2400 for now and keep rebooting the qube after each change to see if anything appears in cutecom's terminal window |
| 09:56.38 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: i will have to do it tomorrow.. sleep now.. thanks for all the help. |
| 09:56.49 | GeorgeS069 | ok...good luck deadcat |
| 09:56.55 | GeorgeS069 | have a goodnight |
| 09:57.03 | deadcat | thanks |
| 09:57.08 | signature16 | petemc: i have installed lampp and i want to restart it. but there is not init.d sciprt in that folder. how else would i do it? |
| 09:57.12 | gans20|malchik | I have a .sh that runs a process and waits until it finish... can I run this .sh with start-stop-daemon so that it doesn't hold a console and later could stop the running .sh and all its child processes? |
| 09:57.29 | gans20|malchik | if yes, could you point me to the solution? |
| 09:57.41 | SerajewelKS | signature16: wtf is lampp, linux apache mysql perl php? |
| 09:57.48 | signature16 | yes |
| 09:57.57 | SerajewelKS | signature16: is it a debian package? |
| 09:58.02 | signature16 | yes |
| 09:58.15 | SerajewelKS | signature16: what did you type to install it? |
| 09:58.45 | GeorgeS069 | wow...silly me...I installed all that stuff individually |
| 09:59.27 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: did you buy all of the pieces for your home entertainment system separately too? sucker :P |
| 09:59.39 | GeorgeS069 | nah...bought a tivo |
| 09:59.54 | SerajewelKS | oh those come with speakers now? :) |
| 09:59.57 | GeorgeS069 | 2 of them actually |
| 10:00.32 | SerajewelKS | if tivo didn't completely violate the spirit of the gpl i might buy from them |
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| 10:01.13 | GeorgeS069 | they were used and I adjusted some of the software and upgraded the drives |
| 10:01.25 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 10:01.36 | GeorgeS069 | it was a fun project |
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| 10:03.09 | pabs3 | any sid gaim users have a problem with the buddy list refusing to be visible? |
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| 10:04.36 | SerajewelKS | pabs3: i'm on etch and no, it's fine here |
| 10:04.47 | pabs3 | :( |
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| 10:05.03 | SerajewelKS | pabs3: the gaim version is the same, so it's either something funky over there, or a dependency is a different version and is fucking up |
| 10:05.37 | pabs3 | prob something funky |
| 10:06.53 | rosi_love | I am trying to upgrade sarge to etch. when I do so I get a "Size mismatch" for about half of the packages. (344MB) What could be wrong? |
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| 10:07.45 | GeorgeS069 | signature16: try /etc.init.d/apache2 restart and repeat for each part of lampp you need restarted |
| 10:08.25 | GeorgeS069 | oops...typo /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 10:09.12 | rosi_love | tried more then once |
| 10:09.28 | rosi_love | 430 MB |
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| 10:14.49 | humbolto | Anybody awake? |
| 10:15.12 | GeorgeS069 | I'm awake |
| 10:15.15 | humbolto | I am eager to update my sarge installation to etch! |
| 10:15.25 | humbolto | But I am running into problems. |
| 10:15.56 | humbolto | Apt-get dist-upgrade just does not want to go through. |
| 10:16.18 | humbolto | I am getting stuck. |
| 10:16.25 | slicky|tyst| | iv got the same problem.. |
| 10:16.31 | slicky|tyst| | what repos do u use? |
| 10:16.43 | humbolto | I repeatedly have to download the same files. |
| 10:16.59 | humbolto | slicky|tyst|: http://debian.mirrors.tds.net |
| 10:17.15 | humbolto | Are they compromised? |
| 10:17.43 | humbolto | Which mirrors are save? |
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| 10:18.21 | GeorgeS069 | I thought apt saved the .deb packages on the system so I don't think it would be normal for it to keep downloading them |
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| 10:20.59 | Kunalagon | how to mount hybrid dvd - Mac OS X install disk (iso9660, HFS) ? |
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| 10:22.01 | GeorgeS069 | bedtime...goodnight everyone |
| 10:22.29 | humbolto | I get a Size missmatch message. |
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| 10:35.09 | itchi | Hi, how can i prevent the bastards to access my webserver? Got spammed on my site, have implement a captcha to the article_comments, but these dudes now spam manually. I was thinking that i could block him with the hosts.deny; but that only work for all services except apache |
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| 10:35.51 | itchi | Article 26 is not yet good, CVS stuff, like love to be are spammed :-( |
| 10:35.54 | petemc | itchi: htaccess |
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| 10:36.14 | itchi | petemc: Is there nothings better as that? |
| 10:36.17 | vaq | mail:~# hwclock --hctosys --debug |
| 10:36.17 | vaq | hwclock from util-linux-2.12r |
| 10:36.17 | vaq | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. |
| 10:36.19 | vaq | hmm? |
| 10:36.25 | itchi | petemc: To prevent access of the whole webserver i want |
| 10:36.33 | petemc | itchi: iptables, ip route |
| 10:36.48 | petemc | ip route add prohibit bastardsip |
| 10:37.04 | itchi | petemc: And what about /etc/hosts.deny? Should that not work? (i note down about iptables) |
| 10:37.27 | petemc | itchi: no, an app needs to use tcpwrappers for that |
| 10:37.29 | itchi | Weird because that work for ssh and so, but not the webserver |
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| 10:37.55 | itchi | petemc: hhhm, yeah, i know to less about networking |
| 10:38.15 | itchi | Gona look for the bastardip in iptables, f* spammers |
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| 10:38.36 | petemc | itchi: that ip route command works and isnt exactly complicated |
| 10:38.44 | itchi | bwa, with these troubles i have implement a captcha, thanks f* ba* spammers :-p |
| 10:38.53 | itchi | nice captcha :-) |
| 10:39.13 | itchi | petemc: To be honnest, i not know many about iptables :-/ |
| 10:39.23 | Esaj | bastard spammers |
| 10:39.33 | itchi | Yeah, die spammers! |
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| 10:39.37 | petemc | itchi: are you reading what im telling you? |
| 10:39.41 | itchi | My free sharing docs stuff! |
| 10:39.48 | itchi | petemc: yes |
| 10:40.00 | petemc | itchi: iproute isnt iptables |
| 10:40.06 | itchi | petemc: ow |
| 10:40.30 | itchi | petemc: Sorry, yeah, first time you told about that both, i was thinking that iptables coud do the trip |
| 10:41.18 | itchi | hhhm, that's additional stuff, iproute |
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| 10:42.08 | itchi | Yeah, i have send mails to these crap isp to tell about the spammer, like he use multiples ips of the same country; but like usual, no response :-( |
| 10:42.28 | qiy | when was kernel-image changed to linux-image? |
| 10:42.40 | petemc | after sarge |
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| 10:44.52 | qiy | petemc, to me? |
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| 10:51.49 | vaq | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. - What is wrong? |
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| 11:03.14 | scx | vaq: ignore it |
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| 11:03.28 | scx | it's on VMware isn't it |
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| 11:05.19 | itchi | Sorry, got be disconnected just after having asking some stuff, my isp is working on the pipeline :-S |
| 11:05.35 | slicky|tyst| | i have a dream |
| 11:05.51 | itchi | iproute is now installed, going to read the man now |
| 11:06.01 | vaq | scx: no, XEN and the time is wrong. |
| 11:06.02 | itchi | slicky|tyst|: One withouth f* spammers?? |
| 11:06.20 | scx | vaq: uh, |
| 11:06.20 | itchi | :-):-p |
| 11:06.21 | slicky|tyst| | sure |
| 11:06.39 | scx | vaq: might be need to recompile kernel, hope someone knows some other way |
| 11:07.15 | vaq | scx: well, if i need to recompile the kernel i need to know what to exchange in the kernel hehe :D |
| 11:07.39 | scx | vac: CONFIG_RTC |
| 11:08.06 | scx | don't remember where xacly |
| 11:08.13 | scx | but somewhere |
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| 11:08.47 | vaq | CONFIG_RTC=y |
| 11:08.50 | vaq | already enabled. |
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| 11:09.02 | scx | mhh |
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| 11:09.24 | surfbuddy | can anyone suggest me a good editor like programmers notepad for linux ? |
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| 11:11.15 | scx | surfbuddy: in Linux most are good |
| 11:11.31 | scx | surfbuddy: I use Kate in GUI and uemacs in console |
| 11:11.56 | scx | vi, jedit, gedit, nano, vim, emacs etc... |
| 11:12.26 | surfbuddy | scx , one which has got a tabbed browsing |
| 11:12.32 | scx | kate |
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| 11:12.41 | ctp | hi folks. i have to install debian on a rack with 12 servers inside next weeks. normally i would start up with 3.1 and let all the updates install. but the 4.0 release isnt far away. would you prefer to run 3.1 now and switch over to 4.0 in a productive environment or wait for 4.0 some weeks? |
| 11:13.09 | jfletcher | may aswell switch now. |
| 11:13.32 | scx | vaq: I just realize I'm on #debian |
| 11:13.36 | scx | vaq: :p |
| 11:13.56 | jfletcher | what updates are made between now and then will be minor to say the least, and you'll be able to update anyway at the later date, ctp |
| 11:14.14 | smiler | surfbuddy: xemacs has tabs aswell |
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| 11:14.21 | vaq | scx: hah :D |
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| 11:15.44 | surfbuddy | scx, i was using Kwrite from KDE, but that did not have tabbed opens |
| 11:16.00 | scx | kwite is not kate |
| 11:16.10 | surfbuddy | scx, Kate has..looks good |
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| 11:16.40 | scx | kate by default uses a bar in the left instead of tabs but you can switch to tab somewhere |
| 11:16.51 | scx | quanta is cool to |
| 11:17.10 | surfbuddy | what about the file association, how do i change it to kate by default |
| 11:17.23 | ctp | jfletcher: ok, you're right. but switching from woody to sarge made more i trouble i expected. dist-upgrade is something i have lot of respect for in a running environment ;-) |
| 11:18.02 | jfletcher | hehe. |
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| 11:18.20 | surfbuddy | scx, i got it.. |
| 11:18.22 | jfletcher | you're lucky, all the servers at my work place run on gentoo. |
| 11:18.59 | enouf | ctp: 3.1 is stilll recommended for production envs .. could be some time before all rc bugs are worked out of etch |
| 11:19.26 | enouf | vaq: what's lsmod | grep rtc say |
| 11:19.38 | enouf | vaq: what type of device is this? |
| 11:19.53 | vaq | enouf: I don't know... hwclock needs it. |
| 11:20.00 | ctp | hm , after etch is released, testing becomes 'lenny' automatically. |
| 11:20.49 | enouf | ctp: ues .. and etch remains stable .. especially as far as 'repo' lines are concerned nsources.list |
| 11:21.05 | enouf | er s/nsources/in sources |
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| 11:21.18 | enouf | er s/ues/yes |
| 11:21.56 | enouf | vaq: not a good answer |
| 11:22.20 | vaq | eh.. |
| 11:22.28 | enouf | surfbuddy: there's also a gvim .. don't know about tabs though |
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| 11:23.09 | ctp | enouf: you mean not to use etch for production env directely after beeing released? i think using etch is the better solution than my actually used 3.1 with hunderds of ext repos and backports ;-) absolutely no consistency here in my 3.1 envs. |
| 11:23.49 | enouf | ctp: well yes .. newer hardware would require bpo anyways .. but it's your call |
| 11:24.14 | enouf | er no .. apologies, I misread |
| 11:24.42 | enouf | enouf: you mean not to use etch for production env directely after beeing released? <-- No to that .. Once etch is released .. it's Stable |
| 11:25.05 | ctp | enouf: ah, ok ;-) |
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| 11:25.17 | enouf | ctp: right now it's "frozen" .. but there are buggys |
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| 11:25.41 | ctp | enouf: well, i'm looking at the bug db every day ;-)= |
| 11:26.07 | enouf | ctp: nice .. help out if possible :-) |
| 11:26.33 | surfbuddy | scx,it looks like it is autohide. any way to make it static. |
| 11:26.35 | zoghome | I am getting really wierd behavour where the clock is jumping backwards and forwards in time - anyone seen tis? its on etch (newish install) and it makes the machine unusable as poll() and sleep etc work for random times |
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| 11:27.00 | enouf | see wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch too perhaps |
| 11:27.13 | enouf | !tell ctp about releases |
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| 11:27.21 | ctp | enouf: thx |
| 11:27.25 | enouf | yep |
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| 11:38.04 | pippijn | hi all |
| 11:38.59 | pippijn | in a debian source package, where is the version defined? i.e. how is the version number in the package name derived? |
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| 11:41.40 | jones- | Hello. |
| 11:41.51 | MsgToThePpl | hi, how do i see all my network parameters ifconfig ? |
| 11:42.03 | jones- | Is it safe to replace "testing" with "unstable" in my sources.list to upgrade to unstable? |
| 11:42.22 | jones- | (or will it end up screwing everything up?) |
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| 11:44.06 | blondie | jones-: don't use unstable unless you know you can fix it |
| 11:44.10 | blondie | or don't care that it's broken |
| 11:44.20 | blondie | (it's not supported here :)) |
| 11:45.04 | perlmonk | jones-, If you're asking this question then, no, it's not safe |
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| 11:45.12 | jones- | blondie: I know several people that use unstable: is it really likely that the system gets screwed up? |
| 11:45.25 | cydork | jones-: if you have to ask then you shouldn't! |
| 11:45.30 | jones- | perlmonk: well, I wondered if that was "the way to go", in case |
| 11:45.31 | perlmonk | blondie, Should be AND don't care if it's broken :P |
| 11:45.51 | jones- | Well, I guess I got enough unanimous answers :) |
| 11:46.00 | perlmonk | jones-, What's wrong with testing ? |
| 11:46.20 | jones- | perlmonk: hmm nothing, just got curious about that so I thought I'd come here and ask. |
| 11:46.27 | perlmonk | well |
| 11:46.33 | perlmonk | Keep on testing |
| 11:46.38 | jones- | Ok, thanks. |
| 11:46.42 | perlmonk | yw |
| 11:46.46 | jones- | :) |
| 11:46.55 | perlmonk | btw, I use testing too |
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| 11:47.09 | perlmonk | It's enough on the edge and breaks rarely |
| 11:47.44 | perlmonk | enough on the edge as in "For my laptop... which is my developpement station" |
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| 11:49.17 | VivekVC | I get the 'data socket timed out' error when I try to do an "apt-get install ssh". |
| 11:49.32 | VivekVC | Does anyone face a similar issue here ? |
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| 11:59.57 | pippijn | in a debian source package, where is the version defined? i.e. how is the version number in the package name derived? |
| 12:00.19 | Malagmyr | How can I initialize swap space? I needed more swap space, so I added another hard disk, created a partition on it, and now I want to use that as swap |
| 12:00.30 | pippijn | Malagmyr: mkswap |
| 12:00.38 | petemc | and swapon |
| 12:00.48 | pippijn | yep |
| 12:02.34 | cydork | pippijn: it depends on the dirname |
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| 12:02.51 | pippijn | the dirname is rxvt-unicode |
| 12:02.55 | pippijn | no version number |
| 12:02.58 | cydork | pippijn: it should be named <packagename>-<version> |
| 12:03.15 | pippijn | and yet, the package resulting is 7.9-2 instead of 8.1+cvs20070109 |
| 12:03.36 | pippijn | cydork: packagename- or _? |
| 12:03.45 | cydork | pippijn: - |
| 12:03.53 | pippijn | weird |
| 12:04.00 | pippijn | because rxvt-unicode-8.1.... |
| 12:04.07 | pippijn | would mean version is unicode-8.1... |
| 12:04.46 | cydork | pippijn: not actully.. it will just check take 8.1 |
| 12:04.52 | cydork | s/check// |
| 12:05.02 | pippijn | ok |
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| 12:06.55 | pippijn | cydork: dpkg-deb: building package `rxvt-unicode' in `../rxvt-unicode_7.9-2_amd64.deb'. |
| 12:07.06 | pippijn | cydork: I named the dir as you said I should |
| 12:07.36 | anapivirtua | Away. |
| 12:08.05 | cydork | pippijn: why are you building it? |
| 12:08.17 | pippijn | because I want the newest version from CVS |
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| 12:08.47 | pippijn | I also would like to give it to other people |
| 12:08.55 | pippijn | so I would prefer a correct version number |
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| 12:09.05 | MsgToThePpl | how do i chekc what tasks are running @ konsole ? |
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| 12:11.49 | schme` | MsgToThePpl: ya mean ps ? |
| 12:12.35 | pumpkin0 | MsgToThePpl: "jobs" ? |
| 12:13.11 | MsgToThePpl | ok thx |
| 12:13.36 | pippijn | cydork: could it be the changelog? (-: |
| 12:13.37 | MsgToThePpl | another thing i lose root pwd what's the grub trick to access directly to root mode ? |
| 12:14.02 | pippijn | init=/bin/bash |
| 12:14.12 | petemc | MsgToThePpl: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 12:14.14 | pippijn | on the kernel argument list |
| 12:14.23 | pippijn | hmm |
| 12:14.33 | pippijn | cool |
| 12:14.39 | MsgToThePpl | pippijn> thx |
| 12:14.41 | pippijn | cydork: yes, it is the changelog |
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| 12:14.54 | cydork | pippijn: changelog is generated |
| 12:14.57 | pippijn | cydork: no |
| 12:15.01 | pippijn | the one in debian |
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| 12:15.09 | pippijn | it *is* the changelog |
| 12:15.20 | pippijn | adding this entry: |
| 12:15.21 | pippijn | http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/66c2a4cb31ef07cd89f5c664d7664dbe.txt |
| 12:15.22 | pippijn | fixed it |
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| 12:16.29 | cydork | pippijn: what was the error before that? |
| 12:16.34 | pippijn | none |
| 12:16.38 | pippijn | I just got a wrong version |
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| 12:17.34 | cydork | pippijn: oh ok |
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| 12:24.14 | DaveyB | How do you search the entire HDD, when all you know is a partial file name? |
| 12:24.22 | blondie | man find |
| 12:24.24 | blondie | or man locate |
| 12:24.42 | blondie | find / -name "*blah*" |
| 12:24.52 | DaveyB | that's what I have done :/ |
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| 12:24.57 | DaveyB | Guess it's not there |
| 12:25.06 | blondie | don't forget the quotes |
| 12:25.09 | vaq | updatedb |
| 12:25.12 | pippijn | or use grep |
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| 12:25.19 | blondie | vaq: that won't affect find |
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| 12:25.35 | vaq | no, but locate :) |
| 12:25.36 | pippijn | but locate |
| 12:25.39 | vaq | :) |
| 12:25.41 | perlmonk | pippijn, He talks about the filename, not it's content |
| 12:25.50 | Kerr | half the time i focus to it, gaim 1:2.0.0+beta5-1 in etch hangs for 10-20 seconds, eating an increasing amount of memory. anyone know why? |
| 12:25.54 | pippijn | find / |grep qwe |
| 12:26.02 | perlmonk | ok |
| 12:26.02 | fasta | My 2.6.8 kernel doesn't boot when I add a SATAII harddisk. |
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| 12:26.07 | blondie | maybe grep -i |
| 12:26.11 | pippijn | yes |
| 12:26.11 | perlmonk | babarian way to do it but ok... |
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| 12:26.14 | pippijn | -i |
| 12:26.14 | fasta | Is the kernel too old? |
| 12:26.20 | mark````_ | how can i revert to apache 2.0 from 2.2 using apt? |
| 12:26.32 | pippijn | mark````_: delete the newer package first |
| 12:26.35 | perlmonk | fasta, Everything's relative |
| 12:26.38 | blondie | fasta: what happens instead? do you mean the boot drive is SATAII? |
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| 12:26.50 | fasta | blondie: it says: mounting root file system and hangs |
| 12:26.58 | fasta | blondie: Windows does boot |
| 12:27.00 | pippijn | hangs are bad \-: |
| 12:27.10 | Viroo | hi |
| 12:27.30 | mark````_ | pippijn: how? i dont wanna lose any config |
| 12:27.37 | fasta | blondie: the boot drive is not SATAII |
| 12:27.37 | Viroo | I want to change the encoding of a txt file to windows-1256 , how should do it ? |
| 12:27.43 | fasta | blondie: well, it shouldn't be. |
| 12:27.52 | mark````_ | and how do i install the 2.0 version? |
| 12:27.55 | fasta | blondie: hmm, I think I understand the issue |
| 12:27.56 | Viroo | any certain utility to do it |
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| 12:27.59 | pippijn | mark````_: if you delete it but not purge it your configs will stay |
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| 12:28.19 | Viroo | I want to change the encoding of a txt file to windows-1256 , how should I do it ? |
| 12:28.26 | fasta | blondie: I added a harddisk, but I think somehow /dev/sda and /dev/<other SATA disk> have been mixed up |
| 12:28.35 | blondie | ah |
| 12:28.41 | fasta | blondie: still it's odd that _adding_ a disk changes the labels |
| 12:28.49 | blondie | depends on the ordering |
| 12:28.50 | fasta | blondie: I consider it a bug. |
| 12:28.58 | Viroo | anyone ? |
| 12:28.59 | fasta | blondie: how do you mean? |
| 12:29.07 | blondie | linux uses the same ordering as the bios |
| 12:29.09 | fasta | blondie: oh, I see |
| 12:29.18 | fasta | blondie: yes, it makes perfect sense now. |
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| 12:29.23 | fasta | blondie: thanks |
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| 12:29.58 | fasta | blondie: I can either tell what the root file system is to GRUB or change the ordering. |
| 12:30.08 | fasta | blondie: (by switching the cables) |
| 12:31.26 | fasta | can EXT3 file systems be safely read and written on Windows? |
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| 12:31.30 | blondie | o.O |
| 12:31.47 | blondie | fasta: there's several drivers for windows... check on sourceforge I think for one |
| 12:31.57 | blondie | an ext2 driver would work too |
| 12:32.03 | mark````_ | i put this in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: apache2 |
| 12:32.03 | mark````_ | Pinnen: version 2.0.54* |
| 12:32.04 | mark````_ | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 12:32.05 | pumpkin0 | fasta: reading yes... writing is a different thing. |
| 12:32.10 | mark````_ | why does it still install apache 2.2? |
| 12:32.17 | blondie | I don't know how stable they are :) |
| 12:32.51 | fasta | Ok, is there any other file system that is Windows/Linux compatible unequal to FAT? |
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| 12:33.33 | pumpkin0 | fasta: why not fat32 ? |
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| 12:35.04 | smhar | hello friends |
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| 12:36.18 | smhar | I installed gcompress and it stopped working so I had to kill it from console and now my screen display is out of propotion. it is big and scrollable and only part of it is viewable at a time |
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| 12:37.47 | fasta | pumpkin0: It doesn't go beyond 4GB and I expect that larger files will be common in a few years. |
| 12:37.54 | c|int | it sure pays off to study |
| 12:38.35 | c|int | I finally got filetopia tweaked out, and the voice protocol working, with wine/codeweavers.. and edited some sound properties as well, plus vmware is working awesome, even better than it did on ubuntu, back in spring.. |
| 12:38.47 | c|int | and I tell you what |
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| 12:39.07 | smhar | ok got that.. I was trying different combinations and got ctrl+alt+- |
| 12:39.11 | c|int | it sure doesn't pay off, to try and convince window users, or tell them and you know that Kaspersky Security blows NOD32 away , like AR 15 :) |
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| 12:39.37 | c|int | then when you show them this, its like what does it matter |
| 12:39.46 | c|int | -> http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/?action=view&slideshow=true |
| 12:39.52 | c|int | btw. hello everyone :-) |
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| 12:42.58 | c|int | now to get, my frickin ipod nano, working correctly so it can be sync'd and recognized by banshee and others |
| 12:43.20 | DaveyB | Is there anyway to retrieve something once it has been removed from the recycle bin? |
| 12:43.31 | pippijn | no |
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| 12:44.03 | c|int | all that other work I was doing.... I dang sure should be able to study what it takes, to specify mount properties or writing, or being able to get my dang ipod working correcting on debian , >_< |
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| 12:44.03 | c|int | yes with recovery software |
| 12:44.06 | pippijn | hm.. |
| 12:44.11 | c|int | its not like you used firmware to erase the hard drive |
| 12:44.12 | pippijn | true |
| 12:44.25 | c|int | or east-tec /cyberscrub, methods. etc.. stilll same procedures |
| 12:45.07 | c|int | there is data forensics software, I use alot on peoples hard drives, whether there windows based, file systems, or even linux systems, havn't worked on data issues with any unix 1's, but I do plan to master alot with OpenBSD, |
| 12:45.43 | c|int | 1 thing I can tell you.. don't let fustrationg.. take you away from debian |
| 12:45.47 | c|int | I did that way too many times.. |
| 12:45.56 | c|int | fustration * |
| 12:45.56 | fasta | Is there a front-end to partitioning a harddisk? I can do without, but well, since everyone is shouting that 2007 is the year of the Desktop.... :) |
| 12:46.19 | c|int | in fact, don't even let it , keep you with just experiencing with 1 platform, try others as well, |
| 12:46.24 | c|int | fasta |
| 12:46.26 | vaq | fasta: cfdisk |
| 12:46.32 | c|int | its what me make of it , isn't it . :) |
| 12:46.57 | c|int | I have to say , I'm really advancing myself, as a platform, engineer lol |
| 12:47.30 | c|int | besides the security as well, auditing.. reverse engineering, securing windows inside linux distro's first it was for my purposes, now alot of people wanting it done :P |
| 12:48.06 | c|int | anyone here, good with the ipod nano on debian, etc |
| 12:48.30 | c|int | hate to be asking that, but I having an issue with that, and wondering what I might be doing wrong.. o.O |
| 12:48.46 | blondie | !anyone |
| 12:48.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:48.58 | c|int | can you people, please help and thanks |
| 12:49.00 | c|int | ;) |
| 12:50.01 | c|int | Might I ask, is there any living person in this IRC, on fReenode, debian channel, familar with getting the ipod nano to be recognized correctly with a number of applications, right now I would just like to sync with banshee or if I have to use gtkpod, thanks, didn't need sarcasm |
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| 12:50.26 | blondie | c|int: ask sensible questions then |
| 12:50.29 | c|int | blondie I know your good at it though :-) |
| 12:51.02 | c|int | oops, are they paying you to give support here, dang volunteer stuff sure gets to people after a while.. might have to research my information on the forums.. |
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| 12:52.12 | c|int | is there anyone here, that might be able to give me some tips on how I can get my ipod nano working properly , and thanks if you can.... |
| 12:52.24 | blondie | sigh |
| 12:52.31 | c|int | I believe its an issue with being mounted, or specifications? |
| 12:52.35 | blondie | that's a yes or no question |
| 12:52.39 | blondie | which you already asked |
| 12:53.13 | c|int | I don't hardly come on here, and bug anyone for help or advice, I'm just needing that for now, everything else I'm really focusing on, and studying hard with ** |
| 12:53.39 | blondie | you probably need to wait around for someone who knows |
| 12:53.40 | blondie | !ipod |
| 12:53.40 | c|int | geesh okay, I take that as no, and noone would like to help :) |
| 12:53.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 12:54.13 | c|int | I already got that installed and banshee, had that done quite some time ago |
| 12:54.47 | c|int | is there specifications i have to put in mount properties or what not, to get the applications to read it, it can mount, but what might be wrong? |
| 12:55.21 | c|int | i am quite aware that the dang ipods work under linux distro's and even bsd etc... |
| 12:55.33 | c|int | mine is having an issue with being recognized by the dam applications |
| 12:55.41 | c|int | get me now? |
| 12:56.15 | c|int | I'll just go read it on myself, I know with debian , how users are, and not so friendly, and why people just do things on there own, like I have been doing. |
| 12:56.26 | c|int | sure pays off to study isolated, and do things on your own.. thanks , anyways |
| 12:56.30 | blondie | no |
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| 12:57.21 | blondie | people are not here all the time, and are not paid to support debian |
| 12:57.30 | blondie | so you have to wait/ask again later |
| 12:57.46 | blondie | or try the official debian channel on oftc |
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| 12:59.27 | pumpkin0 | c|int: and putting +100 lines into peoples log does not help. Put the problem into a 3-4 lines question, post it and wait. Retry after 30mins. |
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| 13:00.10 | c|int | see ya |
| 13:00.12 | c|int | * |
| 13:00.15 | Kerr | :/ |
| 13:00.28 | c|int | later |
| 13:00.31 | Kerr | voi |
| 13:00.33 | Kerr | oi^ |
| 13:00.41 | c|int | when I get to the point.. of mastering the system |
| 13:00.45 | Kerr | c|int: install irssi :-P |
| 13:00.55 | Kerr | i can see why you're bitter, xchat does that to people |
| 13:00.56 | c|int | I will remember when people are asking for help, as I won't be supporting dam chat channels etc on iRC |
| 13:01.07 | c|int | I support filetopia kerr |
| 13:01.08 | c|int | thanks though |
| 13:01.12 | Kerr | :-P |
| 13:01.12 | c|int | run a channel on there myself |
| 13:01.23 | Kerr | you're here at the wrong time of day, ya' know? |
| 13:01.34 | c|int | work with the programmer on there, were developing with kylix, at least I'm helping him, so he can write it for open source projects |
| 13:01.40 | Kerr | you'll get more help 6-7 hours from now, when more people have the time to be online. |
| 13:02.04 | c|int | ignore feature, eh, didn't know xchat had 1 |
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| 13:02.21 | c|int | anyways though, a guy like me, wit my ambition, and good spirit |
| 13:02.31 | Kerr | i don't own an ipod :/ so i can't really help much; but if you show people the line you put into fstab, they might be able to point out any errors. |
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| 13:02.45 | c|int | I don't belong on xchat, or any other dam chat channels, only the 1's that have good people.. that all understand each other's culture, and stop interpreting people worngly |
| 13:02.55 | Kerr | :/ |
| 13:02.57 | c|int | well, I hooked this associate up of mine, with alot of digital softawre |
| 13:03.15 | fasta | c|int: are you saying that nobody documented how they connected an Ipod to Linux? |
| 13:03.28 | c|int | Cakewalk Sonar 6 PRoducer Edition, project5, ver 2, Adobe Audition 2.0, adobe acrobat 7, pro and he wanted 8, and rhino3d, maxon, bryce 6.0 |
| 13:03.32 | blondie | why don't you ask Apple? they made the device |
| 13:03.34 | fasta | c|int: I would be surprised if that would be the case. |
| 13:03.39 | c|int | and other stuf,f and the cat gave me the dang 197 ipod |
| 13:03.40 | Kerr | you're being a little brash. Nobody owes you help, and you're unlikely toget any unless you ask nicely :/ |
| 13:03.46 | c|int | I wanted a dam mp3 phillips 30 GB |
| 13:03.48 | c|int | sue me |
| 13:04.00 | c|int | no I'm not saying that |
| 13:04.10 | hark_ | !sue c|int |
| 13:04.14 | c|int | I just need some 1 on 1 help with issues why I can't get the applications to recognize the dam thing |
| 13:04.15 | c|int | :( |
| 13:05.05 | fasta | Did you look here? http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html |
| 13:05.08 | c|int | and I'm almost ready to go shoot some terrorist in IRaq, just because of how people's atitudes are, and what they say about the debian community, how there up and down, and tell people sometimes, to piss off. and don't really care to support them if they don't want too, I understand it sall volunteer and stuff |
| 13:05.18 | c|int | geesh, I'm just asking for some help m8's :) |
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| 13:05.29 | c|int | well, do plan to hack its motha funkin firmware too :) |
| 13:05.50 | c|int | I just havn't been busy with all the books thats going last me eh, maybe 5 years, etc etc.. |
| 13:05.51 | c|int | :) |
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| 13:07.01 | c|int | thanks, probably what I will do as well eh cause I only have like 90 songs on it.. I was using redchair software you see, I know itunes, etc.. could even install it via wine/codeweavers.. but I don't like the fact at all you can only have 1 ipod sync to itunes.. thats bullcrap |
| 13:07.49 | c|int | I'll just format this sucker, and start from scracth on the system I havn't gaven up on, and got inspired back in 2005, and saw the debian world through Xandros etc.. heck started on Mandrake 10.0.. so I think I came pretty far :) |
| 13:08.10 | Kerr | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIpod appears to have a fairly decent method of making your ipod work automagically (plug and play) but its based on a kubuntu install, so might not work if you copy it verbatum. |
| 13:08.28 | c|int | doing alot of other things.. that I didn't think was possible, like how I hacked my broadcoms firmware, thanks to devs/ coders, reverse engineers, and now I'm studying about writing my own dang drivers, etc :) |
| 13:08.41 | c|int | :) |
| 13:08.52 | Kerr | i started on mandrakr 6, then went to mandrake 9, which melted my poor amd k6 after hanging overnight. |
| 13:09.03 | Kerr | mandrake^ |
| 13:09.14 | c|int | its okay, I am sure I will master and hack its firmware very, soon, as long as my life source still lives in me , |
| 13:09.27 | c|int | awe |
| 13:09.35 | c|int | you seem pretty cool kerr, thanks man |
| 13:10.07 | Kerr | debian was like a breath of fresh air :) people who actually want to help, a package managment system that doesn't make you want to rip your hair out, sensical default software >.> i don't really have much love for mandrake anymore |
| 13:10.09 | c|int | I just get tired of peoples piss poor atitudes after so much can't take it anymore.. quit my smoking.. been done for like 4 1/2 months with weed, and cig's.. 3 1/2 |
| 13:10.28 | c|int | eh, help with choice selected people |
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| 13:10.36 | c|int | might want to correct yourself on that 1 :) |
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| 13:11.39 | c|int | nah, I lost love for mandrake, back with 10.0, but eh, I just started to the community of open source, heck I even got Mandrive 2007 powerpack, but it still, its not even as good as PCBSD, and 1.3 is out, going do some things with that, but I am also going to push myself with openbsd |
| 13:11.56 | c|int | or like its spelled, OpenBSD :) |
| 13:12.04 | c|int | with a bold spice to it :) |
| 13:12.07 | Kerr | it more to do with learning how to ask a question in the right way, i find. People here like smart questions, ones that challenge them. |
| 13:12.29 | c|int | people here, need counceling sometimes.. to help there anger management :) |
| 13:12.52 | Kerr | ie,' i'm using app version xy on debian release ab, i try this (pastebin link) expecting this, but get this. I've tried this this and this, what gives' |
| 13:12.56 | c|int | maybe if they were getting a nice salary, and not always volunteering there time... they would be smiling happy to help :) |
| 13:13.01 | sts | hello folks |
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| 13:13.48 | c|int | I' consider myself and advance IT engineer, and I am, and quite a intelligent person with great ambition and vision, and someday if and I do make it kerr, I won't forget you, as you 'll have a position open for you at my business :) |
| 13:14.03 | sts | i keep getting SSL errors with fetchmail: fetchmail: Warning: server certificate verification: unable to get local issuer certificate ; erver certificate verification: certificate not trusted ; unable to verify the first certificate |
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| 13:14.09 | sts | does anybody know what that means :) |
| 13:14.10 | c|int | cough |
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| 13:15.05 | lleoneye | hou |
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| 13:15.14 | bibe | sts : are you fetching email from an imaps account? |
| 13:15.23 | c|int | you think you might install a secure dencentralized peer to peer, programmed in delphi.. filetopia kerr, maybe and I Know you would like it, and with your experience with open source, and mine, we can share information, and empower each other and others.. also some donations are going into effect for the client, and wanting to start up an apparel |
| 13:15.50 | c|int | thing is, noone has been able to figure out the server configuration :) |
| 13:15.56 | lleoneye | would you people recomend testing as desktop for someone that dont really want to fight with hardcore problems? |
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| 13:16.21 | fasta | Any way I can see the current throughput of my harddisks? |
| 13:16.26 | pumpkin0 | lleoneye: yes. etch is the way to go now. |
| 13:16.30 | c|int | we got it decompiled.. with Delphi Studio and others, this cat on there good associate of mine. I was working on the voice protocol, and I finally got it tweaked out via wine/codeweavers .. testing 6, have 5 pro, yada yada :) |
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| 13:16.38 | streuner_ | fasta: apt-get install hdparm |
| 13:16.40 | bibe | lleoneye : sure, and since Etch (testing) is now in status "frozen", you won't experience major issues |
| 13:16.49 | lleoneye | yeah but after etch |
| 13:16.49 | streuner_ | fasta: (if they are IDE) |
| 13:17.02 | lleoneye | when it turns into lenny testing |
| 13:17.04 | pumpkin0 | fasta: and for real-world data: there are discstats in /proc/ ... |
| 13:17.07 | fasta | streuner_: are you sure that's current, and not just doing a test? It's SATA |
| 13:17.20 | fasta | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 13:17.41 | c|int | kerr you still around? |
| 13:17.42 | pumpkin0 | lleoneye: i would not trust lenny for some time. Give it 3-5 months to become a bit more corrent. |
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| 13:17.59 | bibe | lleoneye : point your /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch", not to "testing". So your system will remain stable until you feel the need to switch to lenny |
| 13:18.00 | sts | bibe: pop3s |
| 13:18.10 | streuner_ | the start of each testing release isn't easy... |
| 13:18.39 | lleoneye | ahh ok |
| 13:18.46 | pumpkin0 | fasta: (but i have no idea how to read them ...) |
| 13:18.49 | fasta | pumpkin0: discstats isn't easy to interpret. It's documented where? |
| 13:18.50 | lleoneye | it does not work well allt he time like yet? |
| 13:18.54 | fasta | pumpkin0: right |
| 13:19.17 | c|int | do you think it might be an issue of permissions that need to be set, for the ipod nano.. so it can be recognized in banshee, and gtkpod correctly kerr, because thats 1 of my main major issues.. o_O |
| 13:19.39 | pumpkin0 | fasta: try /usr/src/linux/Docmentation. I had a found txt describing it ... |
| 13:19.48 | c|int | heya streuner_ |
| 13:20.01 | streuner_ | hi |
| 13:20.16 | c|int | you have alot of experience on debian bud? |
| 13:20.22 | fasta | pumpkin0: cool, I didn't know Linux kernel docs were also installed (by default(?)) |
| 13:20.25 | c|int | or removable devices etc |
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| 13:20.40 | c|int | the day kind of starting off.. gloomy :( |
| 13:20.47 | pumpkin0 | lleoneye: testing is a bit like sid in the first few months. stuff may break in interessting and complex ways. |
| 13:20.49 | sts | bibe: any ideas? |
| 13:21.03 | pumpkin0 | fasta: you need to have 1 kernel-soucre installed. |
| 13:21.06 | sts | bibe: i'm using a cacert.org certificate for my imaps/pop3s server |
| 13:21.34 | sts | bibe: do i need to import the root certificate of cacert.org first? |
| 13:21.48 | sts | bibe: ...so import it to fetchmail? |
| 13:22.03 | bibe | sts : I'd try with sslcert option into ~/.fetchmailrc |
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| 13:22.32 | bibe | sts : using the public side of the certificate of your pop3s server |
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| 13:23.58 | lleoneye | ahh ok |
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| 13:26.08 | c|int | hey bibe, when you get some time, maybe you can help me with my nano bud.. :| |
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| 13:26.59 | coz_ | morning all |
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| 13:27.32 | c|int | morning |
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| 13:27.54 | coz_ | c|int, hey morning |
| 13:28.16 | c|int | brb.. getting some hot chocalate |
| 13:28.23 | c|int | Cocoa etc... |
| 13:28.27 | coz_ | does this channel, or debian , hve aiste that an artist can post his work for pictures he creates for desktop wallpaper? |
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| 13:28.37 | c|int | hey coz |
| 13:28.42 | c|int | register on photobucket bud |
| 13:28.45 | coz_ | c|int, :0 hello |
| 13:28.46 | c|int | its not bad |
| 13:28.49 | coz_ | :) |
| 13:28.50 | c|int | check this out |
| 13:28.52 | ifsilver | How I can change the rights of a Directory and File sepearte? |
| 13:28.53 | coz_ | wrong key |
| 13:29.01 | ifsilver | Directorys needs 755 and Files 644 |
| 13:29.05 | c|int | http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/?action=view&slideshow=true |
| 13:29.14 | c|int | dang your actually a nice person coz? |
| 13:29.15 | coz_ | c|int, thanks |
| 13:29.21 | coz_ | lol |
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| 13:29.26 | c|int | dang, I was wondering when the nicer people were going to get on.. :( |
| 13:29.37 | c|int | i was so mad, went to say, I'm removing XChat argh |
| 13:29.41 | coz_ | c|int, well i amnew here if tha tmatters :) |
| 13:29.52 | coz_ | and I am also a really bad typist |
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| 13:30.10 | c|int | I support this delphi peer to peer anyways, filetopia, and I know i need to read all the books I got, that just overwhelm me is all, but I Know i can succeed :) |
| 13:30.33 | c|int | oh hey welcome then :) |
| 13:30.49 | c|int | if you don't like my personality devs.. just put me on ignore :) |
| 13:30.57 | c|int | :P |
| 13:31.08 | coz_ | c|int, that link you put there is that for anyone to post on because I don't see how to do that? |
| 13:31.11 | c|int | or half way devs :P |
| 13:31.18 | c|int | or wannabee devs :D |
| 13:31.21 | c|int | j/k :P |
| 13:31.34 | coz_ | c|int, oo an independent thinker cool |
| 13:31.36 | c|int | first of all, you would have to register on photobucket |
| 13:31.43 | coz_ | ok |
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| 13:31.58 | coz_ | does this site consor and artwork? |
| 13:32.00 | c|int | my buddy introduced me to that, he uses it for generating code, for myspace, and other things.. me, I work with Adobe Macromedia Studio 8 |
| 13:32.01 | coz_ | censor |
| 13:32.04 | c|int | I have no need, for myspace lol |
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| 13:32.19 | c|int | and I do alot of work on windows for users, clients, spend time editing vmware, etc |
| 13:33.30 | c|int | I tried myspace out for erm.. 2 months so to speak, off and on.. and when they said, okay were using flash 9 now.. in aspects though, people and I were using wine, to menipulate and run a windows based browser on it, like firefox.exe, but you can opera as well, but still.. they just are too proprietary and lame about stuff :) |
| 13:33.31 | coz_ | c|int, sorry, do you know if that site censors art work at all? |
| 13:33.58 | c|int | I run vmware workstation in my custom debian gnu linux system though, so its all good |
| 13:34.09 | c|int | you should be okay, and nope |
| 13:34.29 | psycodad | how can i find out to which package i have to install if i know what libraries a software misses, i.e. how can i search within not installed packages ? |
| 13:34.34 | coz_ | c|int, is that a guess or are you sure I have a good reson for sking |
| 13:34.38 | coz_ | asking |
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| 13:35.08 | c|int | its a free world right, ? after all, I'm all for Gary Mckinnon who hacked into the government agencies back in 2001 etc, and he did get caught, but get this, his court hearing is in FEb. lol, and there trying to extradite him to the US, and give him 60 years, f that |
| 13:35.29 | c|int | he proved a point to them period |
| 13:35.29 | coz_ | c|int, i see |
| 13:35.38 | coz_ | c|int, thanks anyway |
| 13:35.38 | c|int | he should of been using. back track etc. or even phlak.. |
| 13:35.53 | c|int | dam.. where was his brains. :P or even connecting and using a remote host, and hacking from there :P |
| 13:36.00 | c|int | coz, you'll be fine.. |
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| 13:37.09 | c|int | your monthly bandwidth , is 10 gb |
| 13:37.09 | c|int | lmao |
| 13:37.13 | c|int | can you beat that? |
| 13:37.17 | c|int | don't think so :) |
| 13:37.38 | c|int | the capacity you can have for pictures, is 1GB starting off |
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| 13:37.56 | c|int | lmao @ this |
| 13:37.57 | c|int | help Total Pictures and Videos: 5 |
| 13:37.57 | c|int | help Monthly Hits: 3524 |
| 13:37.57 | c|int | help Album Size: |
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| 13:38.18 | c|int | oops my bad |
| 13:38.27 | c|int | whats debian's pastebin |
| 13:38.41 | rgsteele | Read the motd |
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| 13:42.30 | exerd | can someone please link me to the newest stable release of debian (http or ftp). Cant find it in all the different versions. |
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| 13:43.26 | c|int | exerd |
| 13:43.36 | c|int | just get a netinstall image, daily build if you want |
| 13:43.45 | pumpkin0 | exerd: stable = sarge (for now, changes soon). You want version 3 release 4. |
| 13:43.49 | exerd | where? |
| 13:43.50 | c|int | I hear its in freeze period right now. |
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| 13:44.17 | c|int | do you want it for testing, or unstable? |
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| 13:44.21 | c|int | etch or sid? |
| 13:44.26 | pumpkin0 | c|int: the daily build will not install stable/sarge, it will get him etch. |
| 13:44.43 | c|int | I recommend you use testing |
| 13:44.51 | pumpkin0 | c|int: he asked for stable. |
| 13:44.59 | c|int | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:45.16 | c|int | what type of system do you have, etc |
| 13:45.45 | pumpkin0 | exerd: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ => "Official netinst images for the ?stable? release" |
| 13:46.18 | c|int | Sarge 3.1 update 4 was like the last stable of that release.. however.. |
| 13:46.29 | c|int | Etch is about to be implemented and claimed stable by the release managers soon |
| 13:47.15 | c|int | k, I got studying to do |
| 13:47.19 | c|int | gl |
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| 13:48.50 | Hoxzer | If I want to change my kernel configuration and compile kernel do I have to do "make clean"? |
| 13:49.08 | Hoxzer | or can I just amke deb right away |
| 13:49.26 | Thms | I installed ECTH 2 weeks ago, with the business card remade everyday, That worked perfectly, now I want to reinstall debian on the same PC, I didnt changed anything, but when the install is finished, I selected Desktop environement but it won't run. Last time I installed it ran perfectly, how to do ? |
| 13:49.38 | cahoot | Hoxzer: if you want make sure all changes are made then run make clean |
| 13:50.11 | cahoot | Hoxzer: unless it's only a matter of adding modules |
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| 13:50.28 | lleoneye | pumpkin what kind of problems testing usually get on the first months? |
| 13:50.58 | Hoxzer | cahoot: I want to add PMCIA_core module |
| 13:51.00 | pumpkin0 | lleoneye: look at the bugs in sid, that will give you a rough idea. If you can manage these: go jenny. |
| 13:51.30 | lleoneye | where can i check this out? |
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| 13:52.27 | pumpkin0 | !tell lleoneye about bts |
| 13:53.23 | lleoneye | thx |
| 13:56.45 | blackelf | !thx |
| 13:56.45 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
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| 13:57.28 | Mazingaro | please, is anyone using an acer altos g5350 with linux debian? |
| 13:58.08 | pumpkin0 | !tell Mazingaro about ask |
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| 13:58.59 | SlayerXP | Mazingaro: yes, you are. |
| 13:59.24 | Mazingaro | pumpkin0: I just only now if debian works on it |
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| 13:59.49 | Mazingaro | SlayerXP: no not me, it won't recognise the raid controller |
| 14:00.58 | pumpkin0 | Mazingaro: that thing is suse-certified so i guess there are linuxes running on it. |
| 14:01.14 | Mazingaro | pumpkin0: yes, only one configuration |
| 14:01.38 | Mazingaro | pumpkin0: they installed a scsi raid controller that won't work with debian |
| 14:02.06 | pumpkin0 | Mazingaro: you asked if the "acer altos g5350" runs linux and i say yes. Now you ask a different question. Did you read the ask-factoid dpkg told you ? |
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| 14:02.43 | Mazingaro | pumpkin0: I asked for debian |
| 14:03.23 | Eulex | Mazingaro, you were trying to install sarge? if so, you could try a modified sarge with a 2.6.18 kernel or etch. |
| 14:03.42 | pumpkin0 | Mazingaro: still a yes. the IDE-controller works for sure. Will you now ask the proper question ? |
| 14:03.49 | Mazingaro | Eulex: sarge with netinstall 3.1r4, i did linux26 from boot |
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| 14:04.33 | pumpkin0 | Mazingaro: get etch netinstall and try again. |
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| 14:04.50 | Mazingaro | pumpkin0: problem is that no driver for raid controller was loaded during installation, so I'm unable to partion hds |
| 14:04.55 | Eulex | Mazingaro, ok. just so you're aware of it; the 2.6 kernel in sarge is 2.6.8. |
| 14:05.03 | Mazingaro | Eulex: ok |
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| 14:05.16 | psycodad | Mazingaro: are you talking about certified for Suse Enterprise ? |
| 14:05.45 | Mazingaro | psycodad: yes, this thing is certified for red hat and sus |
| 14:05.47 | Mazingaro | e |
| 14:06.04 | psycodad | cause, thats a different thing, SLES and RHES contain binary drivers for certain sata fake-raids which you can't find anywhere else |
| 14:06.22 | Mazingaro | psycodad: this is the answer! Thanks |
| 14:06.31 | psycodad | i had a sunx4100 like that...the only choice was to run md raid |
| 14:06.44 | Mazingaro | psycodad: so it will fail on etch too? |
| 14:06.56 | Mazingaro | won't it? |
| 14:07.01 | psycodad | try to get your drives recognized as single drives and forget about the onboard raid |
| 14:07.12 | psycodad | then use software raid which is rock stable imho |
| 14:07.30 | Mazingaro | psycodad: it only loads generic ide |
| 14:07.42 | psycodad | i do that with every box with "RAID" included...because most of those controllers aren't worth anytrhing |
| 14:07.47 | psycodad | so you see the disks ? |
| 14:07.52 | Mazingaro | no |
| 14:08.02 | Mazingaro | only optical are on pata interface |
| 14:08.11 | psycodad | then etch may be worth a try |
| 14:08.15 | Mazingaro | it got scsi and sata disks |
| 14:09.06 | psycodad | i guess there has been done a lot lately in terms of sata controllers in the kernel and i've had a fujitsu box lately with opterons that didn't recognize the sata raid from sarge but from etch |
| 14:09.30 | psycodad | as single disks, which was all i wanted |
| 14:09.37 | vanksi | hi, i'm running etch with 2.6.18-3-amd64 kernel and my eth0 keeps dying under load, logs say kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present | kernel: eth0: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq, has anyone encoutered this kind of problem? |
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| 14:10.08 | Mazingaro | psycodad: yes it is reasonable for me too, please where I could download etch? |
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| 14:10.34 | psycodad | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:10.41 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 14:11.01 | psycodad | yw, glad if i could help you |
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| 14:11.39 | vanksi | it wouldn't be such a big deal but the darn thing is my fileserver |
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| 14:12.17 | Mazingaro | I contact you with the new installed server :) |
| 14:12.24 | pumpkin0 | vanksi: which chip is that nic using ? |
| 14:13.36 | cahoot | vanksi: one unanswered question on the subject to be found on google |
| 14:13.49 | psycodad | vanksi: i have seen the link go up and down on a amd64 box with a similar kernel, but im still not sure if the switch there is fooling me. Also it will only temporarily hang certain services but not the box |
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| 14:14.34 | vanksi | cahoot, i know |
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| 14:16.20 | debiannoob | hello everybody |
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| 14:23.14 | sandro__ | hi |
| 14:23.42 | sandro__ | i have a question, how is possible to recover lost email account password with that one saved in evolution? |
| 14:25.22 | sandro__ | please answer is very important |
| 14:25.34 | abrotman | ask #evolution on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:26.09 | sandro__ | i will ask |
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| 14:34.18 | mechtn | hey guys |
| 14:34.46 | Thms | I installed ECTH 2 weeks ago, with the business card remade everyday, That worked perfectly, now I want to reinstall debian on the same PC, I didnt changed anything, but when the install is finished, I selected Desktop environement but it won't run. Last time I installed it ran perfectly, how to do ? |
| 14:34.48 | mechtn | quick question.. i got about 30 p2 333mhz machines with 128mb of ram or better... i want to make a big cluster |
| 14:35.22 | mechtn | which flavor should i go with? i really wanted to run like folding@home or seti@home or do something to benchmark the cluster once i'm finished |
| 14:35.47 | mechtn | i was looking at DSL which said it was from debian .. just wanted to get some opinions |
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| 14:36.14 | valdyn | mechtn: buy a modern computer from the money saved by the electricity you don't have to pay if you use a modern box |
| 14:37.12 | mechtn | hehe i got 100's of machines running here at work.. just wanted to do a project to learn a little before i donate them to someone |
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| 14:38.59 | valdyn | !debian cluster |
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| 14:41.42 | valdyn | mechtn: not debian but probably neat for this: http://parallelknoppix.cebacad.net/ |
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| 14:42.06 | c|int | okay |
| 14:42.10 | mechtn | k |
| 14:42.20 | c|int | I think I found some issues with my ipod, that might be why its not being recognized etc.. by its an ipod nano etc |
| 14:42.35 | c|int | did some homework, and did that command.. ipod --list |
| 14:43.41 | c|int | it brought up the path info, device path: /dev/sdb2 mount point: /media/IPOD control path: /media/IPOD/iPod_Control/ |
| 14:44.12 | c|int | is there a pastebin, I can paste this, and someone can look at all the output, and tell me if something might be incorrent or should be there |
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| 14:47.56 | abrotman | all i can ever think when he's here is about c-lint |
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| 14:48.53 | c|int | hey abrotman |
| 14:49.03 | c|int | do you want to ignore me or someting or am I causing a problem? |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:49.27 | c|int | I'm just looking for some help with getting my ipod nano working and recognizing with banshee etc.. |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | you're fine .. it just makes me think weird things! |
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| 14:49.39 | c|int | I hardly get on xchat at all or bother anyone |
| 14:49.59 | abrotman | hehe .. anyways :) |
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| 14:50.32 | abrotman | c|int: are you saying those paths aren't correct ? |
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| 14:50.56 | c|int | and I'm really fustrated, and I would appreciate it , if some users would be kind of cool.. etc.. I"m past all that stuff with my wireless, and vmware, and video acceleration, etc, on debian, I really got involved, just the issues with ipod nano.. I got it for hooking this guy up with about 2 grand worth of digital software for his system he got, and no, he wasn't interested in linux, or anything, alot of them aren't and you can't |
| 14:50.56 | c|int | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.08 | c|int | there convinced windows is the best operating system ever, and will remain that way,... not |
| 14:51.40 | enouf | DefectiveByDesign? |
| 14:51.51 | c|int | not saying nothing about paths' being incorrect.. is there a pastebin I can post this on,s o you can look at the output, and see why its not recogizing or is it an issue of writing to it, permissions? |
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| 14:52.15 | enouf | c|int: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:52.16 | c|int | would greatly appreciate any assistance abrotman |
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| 14:53.03 | abrotman | c|int: i don't know much about ipods .. but .. what errors are you getting when you plug it in ? |
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| 14:53.52 | c|int | thanks |
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| 14:53.59 | c|int | no errors |
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| 14:54.03 | c|int | it mounts just fine |
| 14:54.32 | apfel | Is there a good tutorial on how to set up tomcat on debian? |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/tomcat/ ? |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | c|int: does gtkpod work ? |
| 14:55.43 | c|int | here ya go |
| 14:55.44 | c|int | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5041 |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | hrm .. i can't retension this tape ... |
| 14:55.49 | c|int | none of them do |
| 14:56.05 | c|int | I've tried banshee, gtkpod, amarok, I think its something with the ipod that isn't set right or something o_O |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | c|int: have you tried #banshee on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 14:56.55 | c|int | you would be proud that I have been really spending time though, with debian, and things are working out alot better than they did back in past with sarge etc.. but what can i say.. I have developed alot more patient.. and focus myself more, quit smoking etc.. |
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| 14:57.18 | c|int | patience :) |
| 14:57.52 | c|int | an IT, independent engineer, reverse engineer as well, person with vision.. defanately has to run a universal operating system :) |
| 14:58.19 | c|int | check these out abrotman |
| 14:58.20 | c|int | http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/debiangnulinuxcustom_systembyclint.png |
| 14:58.28 | c|int | http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/debiangnulinuxclints_custom_system_.png |
| 14:58.36 | Thms | I installed ECTH 2 weeks ago, with the business card remade everyday, That worked perfectly, now I want to reinstall debian on the same PC, I didnt changed anything, but when the install is finished, I selected Desktop environement but it won't run. Last time I installed it ran perfectly, how to do ? |
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| 14:58.39 | c|int | http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/debianetchtestingxfce_desktop_envir.png |
| 14:58.43 | c|int | hee hee :) |
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| 14:59.09 | c|int | not everything I would say is perfect |
| 14:59.20 | c|int | its close to being accurate though, but I wouldn't refer to an operating system as being perfect |
| 14:59.28 | c|int | :-) |
| 14:59.59 | c|int | I've been kickin my arse around though, to studying all the commands, at least 90 - 99 % of them :) |
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| 15:00.17 | c|int | to think I'm going be testing out OpenBSD, that really scares me :P |
| 15:00.24 | c|int | thats a side project.. etc :P |
| 15:00.46 | c|int | ;P |
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| 15:01.23 | c|int | you guys check out that pastebin though |
| 15:01.28 | c|int | o_O |
| 15:01.49 | c|int | xopey was saying, it has something to do with preferences in the mount |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | c|int: have you tried #banshee on irc.gnome.org ? :) |
| 15:01.56 | c|int | nope:)) |
| 15:02.04 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:02.36 | c|int | you guys are the people I stick close too :P |
| 15:02.36 | c|int | j/k |
| 15:02.37 | c|int | been pushing myself really in stand alone.. as man to his own, :P |
| 15:02.42 | c|int | and books books 200 + I got to read :) |
| 15:02.57 | c|int | dangit |
| 15:03.22 | narma | hello, is there a command which can give me a list of all file on a ftp server ? something like 'lsftp -R ftp://user:passwd/mysite.foo/mydir > /tmp/files.txt' ? thanks :) |
| 15:03.38 | c|int | so irc.gnome.org you say? |
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| 15:03.43 | c|int | thanks abrotman :) |
| 15:04.22 | c|int | join that server eh? |
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| 15:05.27 | narma | maybe wget can do it but I don't know how :( |
| 15:05.57 | jfletcher | narma: just ssh to it & do ls? |
| 15:06.17 | narma | jfletcher, it's a ftp server not a ssh server :) |
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| 15:06.38 | jfletcher | should still have ssh installed. |
| 15:06.44 | narma | I'm not the admin of the server |
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| 15:06.58 | DeadFishMan | narma: Have you looked into curl? Also, doesn´t wget has an option to just list recursively a given list of directories? |
| 15:07.05 | me_here | what's the recommended opengl package ? |
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| 15:07.44 | me_here | glu glut mesa ???? |
| 15:08.22 | Eulex | me_here, mesa provides the gl api, glu provides the glu api |
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| 15:08.44 | Eulex | me_here, and glut provides the glut api... they all do different things |
| 15:09.08 | pumpkin0 | me_here: depends on the debian you are running. sarge or etch ? (opengl => gl, not glu or glut) |
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| 15:09.35 | DeadFishMan | narma, looking at the wget manpage, I got this: |
| 15:09.46 | DeadFishMan | If you specify a directory, Wget will retrieve the directory listing, parse it and convert it to HTML. Try: |
| 15:09.52 | DeadFishMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.54 | Eulex | narma, lftp -e "ls;quit" host > out.txt worked well for me |
| 15:10.02 | DeadFishMan | links index.html |
| 15:10.05 | narma | with curl I have : curl -l ftp://server |
| 15:10.10 | narma | but it's not recursive |
| 15:10.24 | me_here | Eulex: pumpkin0: i'm on sid with etch backend and have a card with bad direct rendering features |
| 15:10.26 | narma | thanks all, I'll test those commands |
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| 15:10.43 | intruder | does anyone knows a trick to convert msdos text files to normal text files ? |
| 15:10.48 | Eulex | narma, ah, you wanted recursive... dunno if lftp can do that |
| 15:10.57 | rahul | uh |
| 15:11.08 | DeadFishMan | narma: wget also will allow you to keep .listings files, so you probably can setup a simple shell script to use those, too. |
| 15:11.13 | rahul | it's the "mirror" command |
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| 15:11.18 | Sypher | hum ... guys is there a way to resize the root partition? i have a 200mb root partition and a 65 gigz var ... any way to make it like 5 and 60gigz ? |
| 15:11.19 | Eulex | rahul, not gets... listings of file name |
| 15:11.20 | Eulex | s |
| 15:11.23 | narma | Eulex, yes recursivly. It's to do chmod recursivly on some files |
| 15:11.27 | rahul | Eulex: ls -R |
| 15:11.29 | pumpkin0 | me_here: which card ? a binary-only driver model ? |
| 15:11.33 | Eulex | narma, ^^ |
| 15:11.35 | peppo | any Dovecot users here? I can't seem to figure out how to make a new, updated certificate for SSL support? |
| 15:12.02 | Eulex | me_here, 'bad' direct rendering features? none, unstable or slow etc? |
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| 15:13.00 | me_here | pumpkin0: reage pro 3d lol old ati |
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| 15:13.30 | Eulex | rahul, nope, ls -R didn't work in lftp |
| 15:13.49 | rahul | Eulex: that's the server, not lftp |
| 15:14.05 | Eulex | rahul, oh |
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| 15:14.25 | pumpkin0 | me_here: get the ati-driver and libgl1-mesa-dri (+ all depends) |
| 15:14.40 | narma | DeadFishMan, non wget ftp://server doesn't list recursivly. It only create an index.html with first level |
| 15:15.02 | DeadFishMan | narma, I see |
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| 15:15.11 | DeadFishMan | Have you tried rahul tip? |
| 15:15.24 | rahul | why? |
| 15:15.32 | me_here | pumpkin0: ok i'll search now |
| 15:16.04 | pumpkin0 | me_here: note: that is for pure etch. I don't know which parts of sid you installed. |
| 15:17.03 | me_here | pumpkin0: ok thank you |
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| 15:20.48 | narma | maybe is there a way to say to wget to not download file (like a debug mode) ? |
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| 15:25.23 | Strogg | thinkwiki.org rocks my socks. |
| 15:25.23 | Edwin_Quijada | JHi! How can I turn off ipv6 in Debian? |
| 15:26.46 | Hoxzer | :P I can't beat my 600 Mhz pentium 3 125 MB ram ! |
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| 15:31.04 | peppo | any dovecot users? |
| 15:31.07 | peppo | how to make a new cert? |
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| 15:31.54 | abrotman | 125MB ? |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:32.04 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ . For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 15:34.24 | abrotman | narma: you could pipe it to devnull |
| 15:34.37 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 15:35.05 | narma | abrotman, wget doesn't output file content to output i think |
| 15:35.17 | narma | more over I have to retreive files name |
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| 15:36.03 | narma | the best i find is : wget --no-remove-listing -r -R "*" ftp://server |
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| 15:36.33 | gnomo_x | hello all debian users! :^) |
| 15:36.38 | narma | so I have all directories (only) and into each one the file .list which contains a 'ls -l' of files |
| 15:36.39 | tester | how can i make debian start a command every time the system is started ? (i know it has something to do with rc.) |
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| 15:37.09 | pif | the duracell bunny |
| 15:37.12 | valdyn | tester: which command |
| 15:37.19 | Strogg | if you're not going to run gnome/kde, is there any reason to run gdm/kdm instead of xdm? |
| 15:37.34 | tester | valdyn: my home made script... |
| 15:37.37 | valdyn | Strogg: there's no reason except for gdm's features |
| 15:37.43 | valdyn | tester: its important what it does.. |
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| 15:38.06 | valdyn | tester: does it need root? does it start a daemon? |
| 15:38.09 | tester | valdyn: somethings with swapfile, gnokii sms etc |
| 15:38.09 | mike-e | hey cd 1 of the debian etch will have gnome and xorg right? |
| 15:38.22 | tester | valdyn: it needs root yes |
| 15:38.37 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 15:38.38 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:39.06 | valdyn | tester: or add a cronjob @reboot |
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| 15:40.15 | tester | i cannot find the rc.local file? |
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| 15:41.37 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 15:41.37 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:41.52 | Strogg | hehehe.. hard but pleasure. hehe |
| 15:42.16 | Edwin_Quijada | I need turn off ipV6 support for debian? How can I do? |
| 15:42.19 | tarzeau | dpkg run at startup as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 15:42.36 | tarzeau | dpkg run at startup is also as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 15:42.37 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 15:46.34 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 15:47.10 | rahul | ge(o-r) |
| 15:47.42 | g333k_work | Hi, how can I download a html page to a pdf file? lets say this how-to: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Alsa-sound.html |
| 15:47.49 | snowbird | kk |
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| 15:49.03 | pablo | i am having trouble with xorg i cant make x work, it says (ee) no screens found |
| 15:49.21 | pablo | i am having trouble with xorg i cant make x work, it says (ee) no devices detected |
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| 15:51.27 | pablo | i am having trouble with xorg i cant make x work, it says (ee) no devices detected no screens found |
| 15:51.33 | pif | your xorg.conf is phucked |
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| 15:51.59 | pif | your xorg.conf is phucked |
| 15:52.00 | pif | your xorg.conf is phucked |
| 15:52.05 | biz | hey, i'm owning 4 old ISA soundcards, actually i'd like to know which one of them will give me the best sound output, here's what i could find on their boards: creative sb16 value, mitsumi 16bit i/f card, analog devices AD1816AJS soundport, ESS audio drive.. any ideas? |
| 15:52.11 | wakejagr | i have an etch sys with 2.6.18-3-k7 kernel. i can't get alsaconf to configure my cirrus soundcard instead of my onboard soundcard. details here: http://pastebin.com/855157 |
| 15:52.18 | snowbird | how would he fix xorg |
| 15:52.45 | snowbird | turm omb card of in bios |
| 15:52.46 | abrotman | g333k_work: print to ps .. use ps2pdf |
| 15:53.10 | pablo | abrotman: hey, i am having trouble with xorg |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | paste the whole log somewhere |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:53.31 | wakejagr | snowbird: dammit, i never thought of that. that might just solve the whole issue. thanks |
| 15:53.51 | snowbird | wakejagr, if u can that fix it |
| 15:54.15 | sparr | mencoder mvi_2869.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3 -o blah.avi |
| 15:54.16 | sparr | Couldn't open codec mp3, br=224. |
| 15:54.16 | sparr | help? |
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| 15:54.47 | g333k_work | abrotman, I was doing that: html2ps -Wl http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Alsa-sound.html | ps2pdf output.pdf, but I dont have a good result |
| 15:55.23 | abrotman | shocking |
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| 15:56.13 | abrotman | !tell CaspeR-Aw about away |
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| 15:56.55 | pablo | abrotman: it only says that, no devices detected |
| 15:57.08 | pablo | abrotman: though in lspci is there |
| 15:58.20 | abrotman | need the log |
| 16:01.09 | zamaliphe | how do you send mail using command line ? i have read about sendmail a lot but i dont know how to use it ? |
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| 16:01.59 | dkg | does anyone know the canonical way to list the groups associated with a *process* (as opposed to a user)? |
| 16:03.25 | dkg | and by "canonical" i mean "standard" or "official", not "ubuntu" ;) |
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| 16:06.27 | valdyn | dkg: a process runs as a specific user, that user in turn can be a member of arbirary groups |
| 16:06.45 | dkg | valdyn: yes, that's true. but each process itself is associated with a number of groups. |
| 16:06.46 | pablo | abrotman: i am in th console, how do i paste the log? |
| 16:06.53 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | dkg: 'associated'? |
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| 16:07.12 | valdyn | !wikifaq dkg Permissions |
| 16:07.13 | dpkg | dkg: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:07.16 | dkg | for example, when you add a user to a new group, any current processes they're running have old group membership |
| 16:07.29 | valdyn | dkg: alright, i see |
| 16:07.32 | pablo | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/via_drv.so |
| 16:07.33 | pablo | (II) Module via: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 7.1.1, module version = 0.2.1 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.0 |
| 16:07.36 | pablo | (II) LoadModule: "kbd" |
| 16:07.37 | dkg | but new processes have new group membership |
| 16:07.38 | pablo | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so |
| 16:07.41 | pablo | (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 7.1.1, module version = 1.1.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.6 |
| 16:07.44 | pablo | (II) LoadModule: "mouse" |
| 16:07.47 | pablo | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so |
| 16:07.49 | pablo | (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 7.1.1, module version = 1.1.1 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.6 |
| 16:07.53 | pablo | (II) VIA: driver for VIA chipsets: CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800, PM800/PM880/CN400 |
| 16:07.54 | blondie | !paste |
| 16:07.55 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:07.56 | pablo | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 |
| 16:07.58 | pablo | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 16:07.59 | blondie | pablo: no! |
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| 16:08.42 | Thms | I installed ECTH 2 weeks ago, with the business card remade everyday, That worked perfectly, now I want to reinstall debian on the same PC, I didnt changed anything, but when the install is finished, I selected Desktop environement but it won't run. Last time I installed it ran perfectly, how to do ? |
| 16:08.46 | dkg | i figure there must be something in /proc (or somewhere) that lists the groups per process... |
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| 16:09.02 | dkg | but i don't know what it is. |
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| 16:09.32 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:09.32 | dpkg | well, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 16:09.52 | abrotman | pablo: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:10.33 | Thms | abrotman: can you help me please ? |
| 16:10.52 | abrotman | don't use tasksel ? |
| 16:10.57 | abrotman | what won't run ? |
| 16:11.04 | Thms | xorg / gdm |
| 16:11.17 | dkg | ah. i think i've got it: grep ^Groups: /proc/$PID/status |
| 16:11.28 | pablo | abrotman: ok i installed all that |
| 16:11.30 | Thms | When I installed that worked, now I want to reinstall and don't work, I tryed 3 reinstall but nothing |
| 16:11.49 | abrotman | Thms: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:11.52 | dkg | thanks for yer suggestions, valdyn |
| 16:12.03 | Thms | abrotman: and it will run ? |
| 16:12.07 | abrotman | maybe |
| 16:12.11 | Thms | okay I try |
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| 16:12.19 | pablo | abrotman: i still doesnt run |
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| 16:13.14 | karmatronic | i have weird characters on my laptop when launching gdm,after a testing update |
| 16:13.28 | intruder | does anyone knows about text file conversion (msdos/linux) ? |
| 16:13.42 | karmatronic | unix2dos |
| 16:13.43 | dendrite | intruder: Yes. |
| 16:13.59 | intruder | i has to be dos2unix |
| 16:14.05 | intruder | dendrite: can you tell me ? :) |
| 16:14.15 | amphi | intruder: s/^V^M// in vim (or sed I expect) |
| 16:14.17 | karmatronic | intruder: same package |
| 16:14.22 | dkg | intruder: apt-cache show tofrodos |
| 16:14.30 | amphi | intruder: er, s/^V^M//g |
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| 16:14.45 | intruder | nice thanks a lot |
| 16:14.45 | dkg | intruder: (on debian, anyway) |
| 16:15.01 | sparr | i am trying to use mencoder to transcode some video, but it complains it cant find my audio codec no matter what i try (ac3, mp2, mp3). help? |
| 16:15.18 | pablo | abrotman: seems the driver doesnt work |
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| 16:15.54 | abrotman | pablo: need the log .. hard to help you without a log .. try the vesa driver to see if that works |
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| 16:16.27 | amphi | sparr: I use '-oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=$ABITRATE' - does that work? |
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| 16:16.58 | dephekt | i'm using a protection script called All Protection.tcl, which has an auto limiter. the limiter works fine but when it sets the limit, one of the base eggdrops commands removes the limit. is there a command to do this? i've already edited it out of the channel add bracket and several other places in the config |
| 16:17.38 | sparr | amphi: no |
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| 16:18.27 | bokey | amphi, hiiiii.. :) |
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| 16:18.37 | bokey | abrotman, what's up dude ? :) |
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| 16:19.20 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:19.32 | bokey | !seen itchi |
| 16:19.32 | dpkg | itchi <n=itchi@d51A4BCD3.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 13m 19s ago, saying: ':-):-p'. |
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| 16:20.28 | amphi | bokey: er, hi |
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| 16:21.06 | bokey | amphi, abrotman how r we today ? |
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| 16:21.39 | sparr | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 16:21.39 | sparr | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
| 16:21.39 | sparr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.40 | sparr | hooray |
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| 16:21.52 | bokey | spam spam spam! |
| 16:22.07 | abrotman | bokey: we'll be just fine if you can use WHOLE WORDS! |
| 16:22.08 | bokey | flood flood flod |
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| 16:22.21 | bokey | abrotman, yea. |
| 16:22.29 | bokey | abrotman, :) |
| 16:22.29 | dimir | auto-rejoin! |
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| 16:22.50 | itchi | bokey: Wait, got be spammed these last 2 days on my GUICMS, i'm closing the stuff and checking if everythings is ok now |
| 16:22.52 | bokey | itchi, hi |
| 16:22.59 | itchi | bokey: hello |
| 16:23.10 | bokey | itchi, ok |
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| 16:23.21 | sparr | heh, wouldnt have triggered the bot if i hadnt said hooray after |
| 16:23.27 | bokey | itchi, are you going to deconf7 ? |
| 16:23.27 | amphi | itchi: ça va? ;) |
| 16:23.32 | sparr | ive never managed to trigger that message from apt |
| 16:23.45 | itchi | bokey: Have implement a capcha for on my GUICMS and a login protector and bastard kicker |
| 16:24.05 | Thms | abrotman: that works now, but now we need to install vesa and input-all myself ? Why they removed that from the installer ? :( |
| 16:24.11 | itchi | amphi: Not yet, i'm in war with these f* c* sl* bas* of spammers :-/ |
| 16:24.15 | abrotman | Thms: it's a bug |
| 16:24.16 | bokey | itchi, right. |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | Thms: it's been reported |
| 16:24.32 | Thms | abrotman: okay |
| 16:24.44 | itchi | Got be spammed these last 2 days, pfff :-/ |
| 16:24.46 | Thms | abrotman: do you think that will be corriged soon ? |
| 16:24.56 | amphi | itchi: I hardly get any :( |
| 16:25.07 | abrotman | corriged ? |
| 16:25.10 | abrotman | corrected ? |
| 16:25.13 | itchi | Normally everythings should be ok now, YEAH, f* spammer, now i know more about iptables :-p |
| 16:25.14 | Thms | yes |
| 16:25.21 | abrotman | Thms: not sure .. i would hope so |
| 16:25.24 | bokey | itchi, are you attending debconf7 ? |
| 16:25.35 | itchi | bokey: I dunno, i think i not go to debconf7 but to FOSDEM |
| 16:25.39 | Thms | abrotman: that's the only bug or these is more bug added ? |
| 16:25.55 | bokey | itchi, ok |
| 16:25.55 | itchi | bokey: debconf7 is to far from me |
| 16:25.56 | abrotman | Thms: there are lots of bugs .. bugs.debian.org to see them |
| 16:26.02 | abrotman | itchi: aren't you in italy ? |
| 16:26.05 | bokey | itchi, edinburgh. |
| 16:26.10 | itchi | abrotman: Belguim |
| 16:26.19 | abrotman | it's not far for you |
| 16:26.19 | itchi | bokey: Deutchland? |
| 16:26.28 | bokey | itchi, no. England. |
| 16:26.31 | itchi | abrotman: Are you crazy? |
| 16:26.38 | abrotman | itchi: how old are you ? |
| 16:26.43 | itchi | abrotman: 36 |
| 16:26.45 | itchi | oeps |
| 16:26.47 | itchi | 26 |
| 16:26.49 | abrotman | itchi: you'll be just fine |
| 16:26.59 | abrotman | itchi: and it's really not that far |
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| 16:27.09 | itchi | abrotman: Italy is a bit to far, right now, budget is to low for that luxe |
| 16:27.11 | bokey | itchi, come to debconf. we can do some sight seeing as well. |
| 16:27.14 | bokey | itchi, :) |
| 16:27.20 | chrisw | where´s debconf? |
| 16:27.26 | azeem | debconf.org |
| 16:27.32 | abrotman | itchi: DC7 is in edinburgh .. scotland |
| 16:27.40 | bokey | abrotman, oops. |
| 16:27.40 | chrisw | nice |
| 16:27.42 | wakejagr | alsaconf finds my card and loads snd-cs46xx, but it errors out trying to set default volumes (No such device). where should i start looking to find a solution? google hasn't turned up anything so far . . . |
| 16:27.54 | bokey | abrotman, thought it was in England. |
| 16:27.59 | itchi | I'm without a job right now, a bit of some iterim work, but that's all, to resume 1 week work 2 weeks free and not payed |
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| 16:28.14 | itchi | interim* i dunno how these call that in English |
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| 16:28.47 | itchi | I need a fix job :-/ Not somethings ala sid |
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| 16:30.11 | cahoot | wakejagr, etch? |
| 16:30.12 | itchi | abrotman: Here in Europe, it's unusual to move so far. It's not like in the USA, there it's normal to move x kilometers |
| 16:30.20 | bokey | itchi, something more permanent. |
| 16:30.28 | bokey | abrotman, you from US of A ? |
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| 16:30.49 | itchi | bokey: Yup, interim is not yet stable, sometime it's realy crap because your never sure you have work the next week |
| 16:31.07 | itchi | ... if it's not the next day. |
| 16:31.11 | bokey | itchi, yeah. |
| 16:31.18 | g333k_work | hi, is there a IDE to program in gtk+ ? |
| 16:31.42 | bokey | g333k, can you be more specific ? |
| 16:31.52 | itchi | g333k_work: glade?? |
| 16:32.07 | chrisw | which language? |
| 16:32.09 | Strogg | How do you tell which repository in your sources.list a package comes from? |
| 16:32.26 | wakejagr | cahoot: yeah, i'm running etch with the 2.6.18 k7 kernel |
| 16:32.28 | bokey | itchi, but glade is a only 1 side of the story. glade has to be glued to c++/python etc.. |
| 16:32.30 | itchi | Watching if i get anymore via* |
| 16:33.12 | itchi | bokey: yup :-p |
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| 16:33.12 | bokey | itchi, ;) |
| 16:33.26 | g333k_work | chrisw, I dont know.. I mean I want to learn how to create graphical interfaces using gtk+ |
| 16:33.44 | itchi | I dunno why that bastard have begin to fill spam manually, after having implement a capcha. Weird people |
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| 16:33.51 | bokey | g333k, use Glade. and then use the glade xml with C++. |
| 16:34.09 | chrisw | jep @ bokey |
| 16:34.32 | bokey | g333k, or use that xml with C# bindings.. whatever prefers you. |
| 16:34.35 | bokey | chrisw, ;) |
| 16:34.46 | chrisw | with glade you can design gui... but you have to know a language in which you want to code |
| 16:34.51 | itchi | Have mailed my bastard list to these isp, 2 days ago, not yet any response, i guess i can forget these isp's |
| 16:34.56 | perlmonk | Maybe he should learn the real way to do it first instead of using glade... |
| 16:35.01 | bokey | chrisw, yeah. |
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| 16:35.07 | perlmonk | well, I say this and I use wxWidgets.. |
| 16:35.15 | g333k_work | bokey, what do you recommend me then? |
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| 16:35.35 | bokey | g333k, use glade. |
| 16:35.37 | itchi | g333k_work: vim :-p |
| 16:35.37 | g333k_work | perlmonk, yeah I want that... |
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| 16:36.00 | perlmonk | g333k, You want what ? |
| 16:36.03 | itchi | g333k_work: Look http://moon:3334/~david/guicms used vim to write all the stuff :-) |
| 16:36.07 | bokey | g333k, wxwidgets is good in that you achieve platform independency. |
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| 16:36.17 | chrisw | for vim starters : cream.... |
| 16:36.23 | chrisw | cream is cool ^^ |
| 16:36.23 | itchi | g333k_work: oeps, it's intern name http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 16:36.25 | g333k_work | perlmonk, what you said.... "Maybe he should learn the real way to do it first instead of using glade..." |
| 16:36.43 | perlmonk | Then get a GTK tutorial |
| 16:36.45 | bokey | g333k, he said to use WxWidgets |
| 16:37.09 | perlmonk | bokey, I never said "Use wxwdigets" Please read again |
| 16:37.36 | bokey | perlmonk, whatever |
| 16:37.37 | chrisw | g333k_work you need always code in the background for apps in gtk... not just a stylesheet build with glade |
| 16:37.48 | perlmonk | bokey, No, no.... it's sure :) |
| 16:37.48 | g333k_work | wxWidgets is a graphical library? |
| 16:38.01 | itchi | g333k_work: yup |
| 16:38.08 | perlmonk | Yes, and it does some more |
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| 16:38.17 | perlmonk | liek access to printing and such |
| 16:38.19 | cahoot | wakejagr, install alsa-utils and run dkpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 16:38.21 | itchi | g333k_work: See http://www.wxwidgets.org/ ;-) |
| 16:38.26 | g333k_work | so gtk+ and wxWidgets both do the same function |
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| 16:38.35 | itchi | g333k_work: Also the #channels /msg chanserve list *foo* |
| 16:38.37 | bokey | !wxwindows |
| 16:38.37 | dpkg | wxwindows is probably a pos, or now known as wxwidgets |
| 16:38.42 | wakejagr | cahoot: thanks, i'll try that |
| 16:38.44 | cahoot | wakejagr, dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 16:38.45 | perlmonk | It's good if you want to code one app and run it on linux, windows and MACosX for exemple.... with the same code. |
| 16:39.09 | bokey | g333k, another option if you know c#. use Mono environment. :) |
| 16:39.22 | chrisw | gtk# | mono rulz |
| 16:39.25 | perlmonk | Is mono complete ? |
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| 16:39.27 | chrisw | its very easy to learn |
| 16:39.30 | g333k_work | bokey, I know c# |
| 16:39.32 | itchi | g333k_work: ... and have the (near) same look and feel on almost every platform |
| 16:39.40 | bokey | g333k, great!. use the gomono.com |
| 16:39.46 | me_here | what's pdflush doing ?? |
| 16:39.53 | bokey | g333k, the tuts are great and i suppose you'll like it. |
| 16:40.04 | chrisw | yeah gomono,com , monoproject or monodevelop |
| 16:40.07 | me_here | can't get any info on that process |
| 16:40.16 | itchi | Bastards watching time ... |
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| 16:40.27 | perlmonk | Well, wxwidgets offers the Native look and feel of the env... as running on windows will give windows look and feel, running on macosX, will give the same look and feel... etc. |
| 16:40.30 | itchi | Need to chech some stuff :-/ brb |
| 16:40.51 | bokey | itchi, okie |
| 16:41.00 | g333k_work | bokey, I'm a little confused, lets say.... gtk+ is in Linux like the Windows API in the M$ world ? |
| 16:41.03 | karsten | !tell CaspeR-Bz about auto-away |
| 16:41.19 | chrisw | aaax nobody want to program for windoof... :D linux better ;) |
| 16:41.23 | karsten | listkeys autoaway |
| 16:41.39 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 16:41.48 | karsten | !tell CaspeR-Bz about autoaway |
| 16:42.03 | bokey | g333k, gtk+ is a set of GUI library that you can use to develop gui in Linux. so yes it's sort of an api for Linux. |
| 16:42.24 | karsten | On interfaces, intuitive: http://www.omwo.com/?p=12847 |
| 16:42.37 | g333k_work | bokey, Ok thanks... can I use it with Java? |
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| 16:42.58 | bokey | g333k, i am not aware of gtk bindings for Java. anyone ? |
| 16:43.08 | chrisw | java has its own api as long as i know.... |
| 16:43.15 | kozy | hey people, you will probably answer this all day long,sorry for that, but is there any news on debian 4? Is it a good idea to use etch awaiting it to become stable in production servers? |
| 16:44.23 | amphi | bokey: azureus is java, and appears to use gtk... |
| 16:44.23 | chrisw | theres a project @freshmeat for java/gtk ... but normaly java is standalone... correct me if iam wrong ^^ |
| 16:44.28 | bokey | amphi, appears != is. Azuereus uses ibm's toolkit |
| 16:44.36 | bokey | amphi, :) |
| 16:44.40 | itchi | Crazy, the geek viagra guy is now using near 30 diff ip's :-/ I go to blacklist the world if i continue :-( |
| 16:44.54 | chrisw | itchi, lool |
| 16:45.15 | amphi | bokey: I have no idea, I don't use the thing, or java for that matter, it just looked gtk-ish, and requires sun java AFAIK |
| 16:45.23 | itchi | chrisw: Yeah, i not need via* :-p |
| 16:45.26 | amphi | itchi: just buy some ;) |
| 16:45.37 | chrisw | itchi, what about blacklisting the hostname instead of ips? |
| 16:45.41 | itchi | Yeah, gona try with the pousy cat :-) |
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| 16:46.24 | bokey | amphi, yeah it's called swt as opposed to awt/swing. ;) |
| 16:46.40 | amphi | bokey: how thrilling ;) |
| 16:46.42 | bokey | amphi, i don't use those stuff anyway. just happened to know about it. |
| 16:46.44 | itchi | chrisw: Euhm, i dunno, i have learned a bit more about iptables today, thanks to that f* spammer :-) |
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| 16:47.07 | amphi | bokey: swt is the native widgets thing? |
| 16:47.07 | chrisw | itchi, hehe |
| 16:47.10 | obstfliege | nabend |
| 16:47.34 | chrisw | nabend der herr ^^ |
| 16:47.54 | bokey | amphi, swt is ibm's gui toolkit. it has nothing to do with the nativeness AFAIK. |
| 16:47.55 | itchi | Problem is that the bastard use differents networks :-/ |
| 16:48.05 | amphi | bokey: ah |
| 16:48.19 | bokey | itchi, probably uses tor/mixmaster network ? |
| 16:48.21 | amphi | itchi: just use procmail to send it to /dev/null ;) |
| 16:48.25 | chrisw | ok... so just better buy some vias ;) |
| 16:48.35 | itchi | bokey: I dunno less about tor |
| 16:48.48 | PaSurf | I am looking for information on amd64 install with etch and if there are any issues anyone has ran into.. |
| 16:49.00 | itchi | amphi: How so? It's comments on articles where he spam on, not mails |
| 16:49.13 | g333k_work | bokey, chrisw amphi: http://www.gtk.org/bindings.html |
| 16:49.14 | amphi | itchi: ah |
| 16:49.28 | amphi | itchi: PITA |
| 16:49.35 | itchi | For mail, i know a bit, just finding a right way to kill that bastard |
| 16:49.36 | bokey | g333k, great. thanks for that. ;) |
| 16:49.37 | chrisw | PaSurf, what about https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 16:49.58 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, he spam on my http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 16:50.00 | bokey | g333k, java-gnome. ^_^ itchi |
| 16:50.10 | g333k_work | bokey, yep |
| 16:50.25 | bokey | amphi, java-gnome |
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| 16:50.28 | itchi | amphi: I get many hits, sinds i have added a link to tuxmobile and linux on laptp :-) |
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| 16:50.35 | PaSurf | chrisw: Well i have been able to download the disk, but when I install the iso the system is very slow. Keystrokes are way deleyed... not sure why. this is an fresh install from sarge. |
| 16:50.38 | amphi | bokey: a marriage made in heaven ;) |
| 16:50.39 | chrisw | ay right... in java you can choose between the os-native look, java look and another i*dont*know look |
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| 16:50.54 | bokey | amphi, hehe.. |
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| 16:51.21 | bokey | chrisw, yeah. look and feel it's called. :) |
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| 16:51.27 | itchi | Maybe some time i get a bit to many hits, it's a little 233MHz, works nice for this job; web/database/router-gateway |
| 16:51.44 | chrisw | PaSurf i dont know... was your old sarge an i386 ? |
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| 16:51.58 | chrisw | bokey :P |
| 16:52.04 | PaSurf | chrisw: I ran the install with "install fb=false netcfg/disable_dhcp=true" |
| 16:52.41 | bokey | g333k_work, i like Java to be honest. |
| 16:52.51 | Suprano | i've got isdn, i compiled the capi AVM driver and installed it. After some time when i am offline and want to dial in, it can't connect anymore, This is what the kernel log says: http://paste.debian.net/19750 |
| 16:52.53 | bokey | g333k_work, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/doc/ is your friend if you use Java. :) |
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| 16:53.12 | chrisw | our school tries to learn US java ;) |
| 16:53.50 | rahul | java-gnomes? |
| 16:53.54 | rahul | are those like butt monkeys? |
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| 16:54.15 | pablo_ | how do i write a cd from the console? |
| 16:54.24 | bokey | chrisw, hehe.. Java's compiler javac and the bytecode compiler Java will be open sourced very soon now AFAIK. |
| 16:54.48 | bokey | chrisw, March 2007 |
| 16:54.58 | bokey | rahul, yeah |
| 16:55.08 | bokey | rahul, butt monkeys. |
| 16:55.14 | stoned | what is a butt monkey? |
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| 16:55.22 | bokey | stoned, ask rahul |
| 16:55.26 | wakejagr | pablo_: man cdrecord to find out options. you'll need to do a cdrecord --scanbus at some point to find out how to refer to your recorder |
| 16:55.42 | stoned | Thats why I asked without addressing anyone |
| 16:55.51 | rahul | heh |
| 16:55.56 | bokey | stoned, and i referred you to rahul. |
| 16:56.11 | rahul | because you don't want to know my answer? :) |
| 16:56.20 | rahul | apt listkeys butt monkey |
| 16:56.39 | rahul | hrm... which smite was it... |
| 16:56.48 | pablo_ | wakejagr: i need to write a debian iso with cdrecord, what should i type |
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| 16:57.19 | itchi | pablo_: Look to cdrecord |
| 16:57.20 | dkr | pablo_: man cdrecord |
| 16:57.24 | chrisw | pablo_ read "man cdrecord" ... theres help |
| 16:57.53 | bokey | pablo_, you probably need whole lot of other helper tools along with cdrecord. have you tried googling ? |
| 16:58.12 | stoned | or installing debian from only 2 files |
| 16:58.17 | stoned | not even 3mb |
| 16:58.24 | stoned | thats the easiest : |
| 16:58.32 | rahul | !sussuidosmite stoned |
| 16:58.44 | stoned | read sections 3,4,5 of the install guide |
| 16:58.46 | stoned | !install guide |
| 16:58.46 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 16:58.50 | stoned | no need for crappy isos |
| 16:58.52 | stoned | fuck isos |
| 16:58.53 | pablo_ | bokey: i dont have x thats why |
| 16:59.03 | stoned | use netinst kernel/initrd and boot it with grub |
| 16:59.18 | bokey | pablo_, umm.. |
| 16:59.28 | stoned | or man cdrecord would be just as helpful |
| 16:59.38 | bokey | pablo_, cdparanoia ? |
| 17:00.18 | pablo_ | bokey: what is cdparanoia? |
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| 17:00.30 | bokey | !cdparanoia | pablo_ |
| 17:00.37 | sparr | where do lavc audio codecs live? |
| 17:01.01 | cahoot | in a galaxy far away |
| 17:01.10 | bokey | cahoot, in Mars. |
| 17:01.13 | bokey | cahoot, ^_^ |
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| 17:01.21 | stoned | thats not even a planet far away |
| 17:01.24 | stoned | let alone a galaxy |
| 17:01.31 | stoned | and fuck mars |
| 17:01.33 | dogmeat | anyone good with windows activation issues? |
| 17:01.36 | bokey | cahoot, 1970 NASA people destroyed life on Mars. Or so I am told |
| 17:01.41 | Ronin | dogmeat: #windows would be |
| 17:01.41 | stoned | dogmeat, ##windows |
| 17:01.44 | bokey | stoned, watch your language |
| 17:01.44 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 17:01.52 | itchi | dogmeat: YES! format c: |
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| 17:01.57 | Ronin | bokey: they think, wouldn't surprise me though |
| 17:02.02 | cahoot | bokey, more like life form mars AIUI |
| 17:02.07 | cahoot | from |
| 17:02.09 | stoned | bokey, and fuck mars over and over and over aain |
| 17:02.20 | itchi | dogmeat: Install debian and *no* activation troubles ;-) |
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| 17:02.45 | Ronin | itchi: very true :) |
| 17:03.00 | bokey | Ronin, ? |
| 17:03.38 | cahoot | you switch from activation troubles to application troubles |
| 17:03.48 | bokey | hahaha |
| 17:03.50 | Ronin | the destroying of life on mars, one scientist speculated it iirc, but it wouldn't surprise me, pretty easy to do when you drop a spacecraft blindly down |
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| 17:04.27 | bokey | Ronin, hehe.. yeah. NASA didn't know life existed there. which is a valid argument. |
| 17:04.36 | stoned | there is life on mars? |
| 17:04.37 | stoned | wow |
| 17:04.42 | cahoot | there was |
| 17:04.47 | stoned | and I thought I was living under a rock |
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| 17:04.52 | bokey | stoned, you are |
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| 17:05.38 | bonez39 | how does one enable networking, after debian is already installed? |
| 17:05.38 | stoned | /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hostname, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:05.49 | itchi | bonez39: case solved :-p |
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| 17:06.32 | stoned | I dunno if carmex helps with cold sores |
| 17:06.36 | stoned | but it does make them shiny |
| 17:06.41 | stoned | and more noticeable |
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| 17:07.38 | bokey | itchi, abrotman cahoot see you guys around. :) |
| 17:08.05 | pablo_ | somebody knows how to burn an iso from the console? |
| 17:08.12 | unlink | wodim |
| 17:08.18 | bonez39 | itchi all solved, eh? |
| 17:08.42 | himmels_trutz | my firefox is crashing like a car with a blind driver..... and I am running the stable version of 1.5.0.7 |
| 17:08.52 | itchi | bonez39: Yup, you got the right answer, i mean |
| 17:09.24 | stoned | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/CD_Burning#Burning_CDs_and_DVDs_using_the_Console |
| 17:09.37 | stoned | SEARCH! |
| 17:09.38 | stoned | ffs |
| 17:09.44 | betel | I just went from sarge to etch and really miss checkinstall. Is there now some better alternative or should I find an unofficial checkinstall somewhere? |
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| 17:10.19 | stoned | pablo_, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/CD_Burning#Burning_CDs_and_DVDs_using_the_Console |
| 17:10.37 | purestorm | Hi. Where can I find the algorithm that apt-get uses to determine whether $version1 < $version2? |
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| 17:11.25 | pablo_ | stoned: thanks |
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| 17:12.41 | itchi | purestorm: The source of apt-get?? |
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| 17:14.20 | itchi | Yeah, a windows 98 spammer! |
| 17:14.29 | MoL0ToV | I tryed to install debian-edu, but when follow the step-by-step installation with graphical installer, the wizard don let me partitioning the system and leave the first partition intact. someone can help me? |
| 17:14.31 | itchi | Who use that crap anymore |
| 17:14.35 | itchi | Just to spam it's looks |
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| 17:15.26 | shao_lap | what would be a good wireless-lan usb stick, that works out of the box with debian? |
| 17:15.39 | shao_lap | so to say without any problems |
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| 17:16.03 | itchi | shao_lap: I have one that not work out of the box, but work good |
| 17:16.15 | karmatronic | shao_lap: without ndiswrapper? |
| 17:16.18 | chrisw_ | shao_lap every usb stick thats based on atheros chip? |
| 17:16.23 | itchi | shao_lap: A DWL-G122 |
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| 17:16.43 | shao_lap | @karmatronic if possible, yes |
| 17:16.46 | bonez39 | stoned I try to run cdrecord on my system, running kernel 2.6.18.. and it won't run, but will with 2.4.x kernel...why would that be? |
| 17:16.58 | itchi | shao_lap: My usb wireless works with ndiswrapper btw |
| 17:17.42 | shao_lap | well, ndiswrapper has to be used, right? as long as it works easily |
| 17:17.50 | karmatronic | shao_lap: shoulnt use ndisrapper |
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| 17:18.02 | shao_lap | so what now? :D |
| 17:18.06 | itchi | shao_lap: It's peace of cake with ndiswrapper |
| 17:18.20 | itchi | shao_lap: Look on the website of ndiswrapper |
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| 17:18.49 | shao_lap | ok |
| 17:19.19 | karmatronic | itchi: but you cant use monitor mode |
| 17:19.21 | itchi | shao_lap: .. and if you need to compile some extarnal; mostly the installation procedure is documented. Thinking to my ipw3945, that i had need to compile stuff before (now it's in Etch) |
| 17:19.40 | itchi | karmatronic: Yup, it does not work, not yet sure if that key have that too |
| 17:19.40 | karsten | kozy: etch is frozen. It will change minimally prior to release. |
| 17:19.51 | itchi | karmatronic: But who use that, or may, for what?? ;-) |
| 17:19.54 | stoned | bonez39, no clue. |
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| 17:20.45 | itchi | bonez39: Look to the bts?? |
| 17:20.59 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- can someone please assist me with hardware questions? I'm curious to know if a dual-core CPU with an FSB of 667 mhz is comparible (better or worse?) than a single core CPU at 800mhz. Lets say the clock of bot is 3.2 |
| 17:21.10 | valdyn | bonez39: lsmod | grep ide_scsi |
| 17:21.51 | chrisw_ | dual-core ´s always better... but only if the app supports the second core |
| 17:21.59 | valdyn | SexyKen: depends on your workload, with 2 threads each using a cpu fully, no, 2-core is better |
| 17:22.36 | SexyKen | valdyn -- can you rephrase? |
| 17:22.44 | itchi | Default, there are not many apps that use the both cpu at the same time. That's what i discover here on my duo core. Miss i somethings? |
| 17:22.46 | SexyKen | I'd be running Dual CPU, Dual Core's or Singel Cores |
| 17:22.48 | SexyKen | Either way, 2 CPU's |
| 17:22.52 | SexyKen | Running on Linux |
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| 17:22.56 | SexyKen | As a server |
| 17:23.00 | valdyn | SexyKen: a dual core system is only efficient if both cores are used |
| 17:23.02 | SexyKen | Apache & PHP |
| 17:23.28 | SexyKen | valdyn, dual-core is hardware based, forcing both threads to be used, no? |
| 17:23.41 | valdyn | SexyKen: that means nothing, apache+php could aswell be I/O bound and be happy with a much worse cpu |
| 17:23.41 | SexyKen | Dual CPU is SMP, which is different |
| 17:24.06 | SexyKen | valdyn, you dont know the enivornment I'm running it in....how could you make that assumption? |
| 17:24.23 | SexyKen | Currently I have Dual 2.8ghz Xeons with 800fsb...and it's not so happy :-) |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | SexyKen: im just NOT making one, im asking YOU for your workload, apache+php is a useless information |
| 17:24.45 | itchi | SexyKen: My webserver/database_stuff/router+gateway runs with a 233MHz :-p |
| 17:25.14 | SexyKen | itchi: But you're not handling 1000 domains on any of that stuff :-) |
| 17:25.30 | itchi | SexyKen: nope :-) |
| 17:25.31 | valdyn | SexyKen: 'not so happy' because your harddisks are to slow? be specific.... |
| 17:25.36 | itchi | SexyKen: Personal stuff :-) |
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| 17:26.00 | itchi | SexyKen: But spammers like it, got these the last 2 days :-/ |
| 17:26.03 | SexyKen | The load on my server very rarely dip below 2.5 |
| 17:26.15 | valdyn | SexyKen: 'load' has nothing directly to do with cpu usage |
| 17:26.21 | valdyn | !load |
| 17:26.22 | SexyKen | The hard disks are SCSI 300's |
| 17:26.32 | PaSurf | is it necessary to run my amd64 system with the amd64 iso? can I run with i386? and what and where would I find (if exists) i686? |
| 17:26.38 | valdyn | PaSurf: both works |
| 17:26.45 | SexyKen | WEll it's somewhat odd then that when the load is high, the load times for our sites is slow |
| 17:27.07 | PaSurf | valdyn: I just wont get the benifits of 64 bit . |
| 17:27.41 | valdyn | SexyKen: load specifies the number of tasks waiting for either CPU or DISK or Network, we don't know what you're bottleneck is |
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| 17:28.23 | valdyn | PaSurf: 'you wont get the benefits or drawbacks of 64 bit.' |
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| 17:29.23 | itchi | SexyKen: Maybe use you some stuff that is badly writen?? |
| 17:29.29 | valdyn | SexyKen: btw, got to www.kernel.org, check their 'load' its probably 300 and snappy |
| 17:29.43 | quhan | hi, i use konqueror open a mms box, then the konqueror always crash, |
| 17:29.50 | quhan | what should i do ? |
| 17:30.11 | itchi | quhan: Use thunar, or some better stuff as kde ;-) |
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| 17:30.32 | PaSurf | valdyn: is there such a thing as i686? Should I just load the i386 and wait till the 64 bit side is better supported... |
| 17:30.46 | quhan | thunar? |
| 17:30.58 | quhan | whats the thunar? |
| 17:31.07 | itchi | quhan: apt-cache show thunar ;-) |
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| 17:31.29 | utab | MoDaX: hi my dear saver :) |
| 17:31.31 | valdyn | PaSurf: depends on the tasks you need to get done, if you don't know that you need 64-bit, then i386 is likely the right choice |
| 17:31.36 | itchi | quhan: http://moon:3334/~david/screenshots/thunar_1.jpg |
| 17:31.45 | itchi | quhan: shit, it's intern url |
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| 17:32.00 | itchi | quhan: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/thunar_1.jpg |
| 17:32.15 | Edwin_Quijada | How can I control a win machine from my debian? |
| 17:32.20 | PaSurf | valdyn: Basically the server will be used for SQL databases.. (MySQL) with several different databases.... |
| 17:32.24 | purestorm | Hi. I want to do some backports and complement backports.org with some packages they are missing. On their page, they write that the postfix all version number with ~bpo so upgrading to etch works flawlessly since ~ is considered the lowest char by apt-get. However, when I try to modify the changelog file by dch and set the new version to "1.8.5-5~foo" instead of "1.8.5-5" it tells me that "1.8.5-5" is bigger than the "...~foo" |
| 17:32.34 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Press on the magic button of your win box |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | PaSurf: 64-bit is fine for this |
| 17:33.06 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: You want to install open_ssh on your win box |
| 17:33.14 | quhan | itchi: it's a file manager? |
| 17:33.20 | valdyn | PaSurf: the main issues are linked to proprietary desktop software / gfx drivers |
| 17:33.23 | itchi | quhan: yup |
| 17:33.27 | hark_ | Edwin_Quijada: rdesktop? |
| 17:33.27 | utab | I was trying to install sendmail through aptitude, while installing the software, due to dependencies it installed a lot of kde stuff which I do not use, so is there a way to remove them |
| 17:33.36 | TolstoyInlove | Edwin_Quijada, what do you need? remote desktop? |
| 17:33.41 | itchi | quhan: Use you that to browse the web? |
| 17:33.50 | Edwin_Quijada | TolstoyInlove: Yes |
| 17:33.53 | quhan | but i means when i open a mms link on a webpage |
| 17:33.56 | itchi | quhan: I mean that konkeror stuff |
| 17:34.01 | quhan | the konqueror will crash |
| 17:34.16 | itchi | quhan: Maybe try on #kde or whatever?? |
| 17:34.24 | Edwin_Quijada | I need control a network windoes from a remote debian |
| 17:34.25 | Giona | have you seen this keynote video on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uo_4kyrkDc&eurl= |
| 17:34.39 | TolstoyInlove | Edwin_Quijada, use rdesktop or grdesktop |
| 17:34.45 | itchi | quhan: Or try to start konqueror from a cli an hope you get there the error |
| 17:35.01 | valdyn | PaSurf: large server? usefulness of 64-bit kind of scales with the size of your server |
| 17:35.04 | quhan | thanks |
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| 17:35.45 | MoDaX | utab: mmm, kde and sendmail. not related at all |
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| 17:35.53 | Edwin_Quijada | TolstoyInlove:with this can I control windows machine |
| 17:36.06 | utab | MoDaX : i could not figure out as well |
| 17:36.09 | SexyKen | valdyn -- kernel.org is slow as shit right now. |
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| 17:36.26 | chrisw_ | www2.kernel.org is better... |
| 17:36.44 | chrisw_ | the second serv isn´t so slow |
| 17:36.49 | valdyn | SexyKen: ok, that was a bad example then, i was only trying to point out that an absolute load value is almost useless to determine anything |
| 17:37.04 | quhan | i got this information: "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): St9bad_alloc KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing..." |
| 17:37.06 | utab | MoDaX: it was the core, but now lots of stuff that I do not use. it also removed by saver "bitchx" |
| 17:37.08 | TolstoyInlove | Edwin_Quijada, grdesktop is realy like terminal service or remote desktop in windows |
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| 17:37.46 | itchi | quhan: its crap, i dunno how i can tell it to you in a more elegant way |
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| 17:37.58 | mike-e | i like how debian's netinstall cd never installs xorg properly for its rc |
| 17:38.14 | itchi | mike-e: Is that trouble not yet know? |
| 17:38.38 | itchi | mike-e: Your be warned to, during the install, i thought |
| 17:39.02 | MoDaX | utab: aptitude installs recommends by default |
| 17:39.05 | Edwin_Quijada | TolstoyInlove: OK let me search info about this so |
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| 17:40.21 | MoDaX | utab: which were not recommends of sendmail, but recommends of other already installed packages |
| 17:40.51 | quhan | but what should i do? |
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| 17:41.08 | utab | MoDaX: any hope? |
| 17:41.34 | TolstoyInlove | Edwin_Quijada, only install these from cd |
| 17:41.47 | MoDaX | utab: so what do you want to do now? |
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| 17:42.36 | blinx | my firefox has not my printer in the list of printers, only postscript |
| 17:42.55 | blinx | reinstallation of the deb package -> no effect |
| 17:42.56 | utab | MoDaX : this is not a bog problem maybe but I do not want programs that I do not use, do I have to remove them by selection, I mean specifiying all to "remove" |
| 17:43.13 | Edwin_Quijada | TolstoyInlove: I cant from apt? |
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| 17:44.18 | itchi | wooaa, the spammer is now on his 41 ip |
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| 17:44.28 | itchi | How get these so many ip's? |
| 17:44.46 | cahoot | compliments from microsoft |
| 17:44.48 | itchi | It's all from the same country :-/ |
| 17:44.54 | kozy | karsten, tnx |
| 17:45.03 | itchi | Yeah, all sad MS windows user, these spammers |
| 17:45.31 | itchi | Not yet have got one of GNU/Linux, i not ask you why ;-) |
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| 17:46.18 | tameritoke | Hi people! |
| 17:46.25 | itchi | The geekest of all is that i have implement a captcha on the forms where users could add a comment to a article, but these now still spam manually |
| 17:46.26 | tameritoke | I am a debian newby |
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| 17:46.42 | lindenle|home | !noob |
| 17:46.43 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 17:46.56 | itchi | tameritoke: Welcome in the right world! |
| 17:47.04 | tameritoke | Can somebody tell me how to switch from debian stable to testing? |
| 17:47.08 | TolstoyInlove | Edwin_Quijada, use apt ,not problem ;) |
| 17:47.20 | itchi | tameritoke: hhhm, if your new, it's better to avoid it to do |
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| 17:47.31 | lindenle|home | tameritoke: You need to edit your source list and then do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:47.45 | lindenle|home | itchi: testing is pretty stable right now |
| 17:47.45 | tameritoke | I have good debian experiences collected before with ubuntu |
| 17:47.48 | itchi | tameritoke: See /msg dpkg Sarge->etch |
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| 17:47.55 | tameritoke | yes, I know.... |
| 17:48.01 | tameritoke | But I need the sources list. |
| 17:48.09 | itchi | lindenle|home: Shuuut ;-) follow the Debian rule, policy |
| 17:48.18 | itchi | lindenle|home: Use Etch on every desktop here, btw |
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| 17:48.36 | lindenle|home | itchi: me too |
| 17:48.40 | utab | MoDaX : thx bye |
| 17:48.46 | itchi | !sarge->etch |
| 17:48.47 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 17:49.00 | MoDaX | utab: bye. try deborphan |
| 17:49.05 | MoDaX | later |
| 17:49.13 | utab | MoDaX : wait |
| 17:49.18 | tameritoke | okay.... |
| 17:49.22 | itchi | tameritoke: Saw the stuff here above ^^ ? |
| 17:49.24 | lindenle|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.37 | tameritoke | ao... deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ stable main bwcomes deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ etch main ? |
| 17:49.48 | utab | MoDaX: I will have a look at that, nice evening |
| 17:49.49 | itchi | tameritoke: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:50.03 | tameritoke | okay |
| 17:50.24 | tonyb2007 | dpkg is a bot |
| 17:50.28 | itchi | tameritoke: yup, you need to change the 'code name' of your release |
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| 17:50.38 | tameritoke | which do you advise? |
| 17:50.49 | tameritoke | to get the system run with the latest testing packages? |
| 17:51.07 | tameritoke | is it 'etch','testing','sarge' ? |
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| 17:51.56 | mike-e | ok i'm getting the errors: (EE) failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist, 0) and (EE) failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist) and (EE) no devised detected. then Fatal server rror: no screens found. - This has happened on a machine where i installed sarge and did a dist upgrade and also from a netinstall of testing, any idears? i'm guessing this is common |
| 17:52.24 | valdyn | mike-e: try 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 17:52.30 | Edwin_Quijada | mike-e: what is your machine |
| 17:52.35 | itchi | tameritoke: Keep in mind that Sarge = stable actually, the first is the code name, the other is the release. So you can use a code name or a release name in your /etc/apt/sources.list . In other words, you can use Sarge|stable, same rule for Etch that are acutally testing and sid = unstable that alwasy keep this name |
| 17:54.33 | hark_ | valdyn: no, it's a bug. |
| 17:54.33 | itchi | tameritoke: Also, Etch, will soon become stable |
| 17:54.33 | valdyn | hark_: yea right |
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| 17:54.34 | hark_ | mike-e: install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 17:54.34 | valdyn | hark_: it may be one or not, that's not what im trying to figure |
| 17:54.34 | TolstoyInlove | itchi, do you know when etch willbe releas\? |
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| 17:54.37 | itchi | TolstoyInlove: See /msg dpkg wir |
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| 17:54.37 | itchi | just for fun |
| 17:54.37 | itchi | !wir |
| 17:54.37 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:54.37 | itchi | I like that :-p wir haha |
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| 17:54.46 | hark_ | valdyn: just saying ;) pretty common now |
| 17:54.47 | itchi | Just need that the boss like it too :-) |
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| 17:55.24 | hark_ | mike-e: then you need to check the Driver as well (Section Device in your xorg.conf) |
| 17:55.28 | narma | I'm using debian testing. when I launch glxgears I have got the fps. how can I activate it ? |
| 17:56.32 | TolstoyInlove | itchi, thanks |
| 17:56.34 | TolstoyInlove | ;) |
| 17:56.55 | me_here | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.01 | itchi | me_here: no no |
| 17:57.05 | itchi | me_here: Stay here |
| 17:57.06 | itchi | shit |
| 17:57.20 | mike-e | alright do i need to dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg after i install these packages? |
| 17:57.40 | cahoot | narma try /msg dpkg glxgears |
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| 17:58.10 | hark_ | mike-e: not really, unless the wrong video driver was selected. |
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| 17:58.40 | valdyn | narma: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 17:58.46 | narma | cahoot, that do nothing |
| 17:59.09 | cahoot | narma, yes it does |
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| 17:59.55 | narma | cahoot, ho sorry yes it does something :) |
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| 18:00.42 | hark_ | narma: or the shorter way, glxgears -printfps ;) |
| 18:01.09 | hark_ | mike-e: what's the driver in your xorg.conf? |
| 18:01.10 | narma | thanks hark_ |
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| 18:04.53 | mike-e | still getting 'no screens found' |
| 18:05.05 | mike-e | how are they even saying this is a release candidate? |
| 18:05.06 | shay|army | is there a way to use "route" so a program will use an specific device as a route? |
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| 18:05.45 | hark_ | mike-e: again, what's the driver say in your xorg.conf |
| 18:05.51 | Ronin | mike-e: odds are its not debian but a pebcak error ;) |
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| 18:06.07 | joeamined | hi |
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| 18:06.36 | mike-e | ronin: odds are if it can't get a desktop installation right upon installation it's an os error |
| 18:06.47 | mike-e | hark: which driver |
| 18:06.59 | hark_ | mike-e: Section Device |
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| 18:07.04 | Ronin | sure mike-e |
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| 18:07.38 | cjari | hi, I tried "rm -r dir" and now it asks on each file should it be removed or not because its write protected, can you say "no to all" on that? |
| 18:07.55 | azeem | cjari: rm -rf |
| 18:07.55 | mike-e | hark: ATI Radeon etc |
| 18:07.59 | mike-e | need it verbatim? |
| 18:08.05 | joeamined | i have linux-image-2.6-686 version 2.6.17+2 installed and synaptics indicates there's a more recent version that is 2.6.18+5. if i make the upgrade, will i have the two kernels installed ? |
| 18:08.26 | mike-e | joeamined : yes and grub will prompt you on which one you want to boot |
| 18:08.32 | hark_ | mike-e: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:08.41 | azeem | joeamined: yes, but if the new one works, you can remove the old one via synaptic |
| 18:09.03 | hark_ | mike-e: the last one, probably |
| 18:09.08 | joeamined | mike-e : is it possible to install the newer version and remove the old one ? |
| 18:09.12 | mike-e | driver: kbd driver: mouse driver: synaptics driver: apm |
| 18:09.20 | mike-e | joeamined: yes |
| 18:09.27 | hark_ | mike-e: yeah, that apm is wrong. what graphics card? |
| 18:09.31 | cjari | azeem, thanks I try to remember that for next time but its still prompting and I would like to cancel |
| 18:09.38 | joeamined | mike-e : how please ? |
| 18:09.49 | azeem | cjari: ctrl+c |
| 18:09.49 | mike-e | hark: it's an eti radeon mobility m7 |
| 18:09.55 | mike-e | ati |
| 18:10.17 | hark_ | mike-e: then install xserver-xorg-video-ati and change that "apm" to "ati" |
| 18:10.18 | karmatronic | my gdm shows weird characters after an etch update |
| 18:10.20 | mike-e | i should have caught that, i don't remember it not asking which driver to use, though i haven't used debian in a while |
| 18:10.28 | mike-e | ah ok |
| 18:10.38 | Ronin | *cough* ;) |
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| 18:10.47 | hark_ | heh |
| 18:10.50 | cjari | azeem great, thanks! :) |
| 18:11.30 | mike-e | ronin: as adorable as your pseudo-intellectual banter is, this should have been done upon installation |
| 18:11.38 | azeem | cjari: that works in general |
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| 18:11.53 | joeamined | azeem : after upgrading, i will have the two kernels shown installed on synaptic ? |
| 18:11.59 | azeem | joeamined: yes |
| 18:12.20 | azeem | joeamined: you need to reboot to actually run the new kernel, of course |
| 18:12.46 | hark_ | mike-e: it's an rc. bugs are still expected and this has been fixed in the latest update, iirc |
| 18:12.57 | joeamined | azeem: and when i remove the old version, it will be removed automatically from the grub ? |
| 18:13.18 | azeem | yes |
| 18:13.32 | mike-e | hark: yes you're right, that was my rebuttal for Ronin and his unnecessary geek nostril flaring =) |
| 18:13.35 | mike-e | thanks much for your help. |
| 18:13.38 | joeamined | azeem : do you think it's safe to upgrade the kernel , should i do it ? |
| 18:13.55 | Ronin | ya whatever mike-e, until its a final i think you'd expect some quirks |
| 18:14.19 | azeem | joeamined: are you running testing or unstable? |
| 18:14.21 | mike-e | i expect quirks, not some hostile irc troll telling me it's pebkac |
| 18:14.28 | joeamined | i'm running testing |
| 18:14.30 | Skiver | hi anyone knows how big is the capacity of one LAN cable ? |
| 18:14.34 | azeem | joeamined: as pointed out before, you can choose at boot which kernel you want to run |
| 18:14.35 | mike-e | hark: everything looks fine too. |
| 18:14.36 | Ronin | cool im upgraded to troll? sweel |
| 18:14.48 | azeem | joeamined: if the new one doesn't work for some reason, just select the old one again |
| 18:15.08 | karmatronic | joeamined: or you can put several entries in grub.conf |
| 18:15.22 | joeamined | i'd like to run only one kernel. Can the latest kernel for etch cause problems ? |
| 18:15.26 | cld2 | Skiver: what kind of cable? cat 5, cat 5e cat 6e ? |
| 18:15.30 | hark_ | mike-e: great :) |
| 18:15.56 | karmatronic | lnX\: pues ya sabes, hay que ducharse de vez en cuando ! |
| 18:16.05 | biz | is there a package i can remove so everything X related gets removed? i removed xserver-xfree86 and xbase-clients but there are still endless xlibs |
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| 18:16.17 | Skiver | cld2, i don't know, the connecter is rj45..8 different colors of mini one inside |
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| 18:16.48 | hark_ | biz: the common package, iirc |
| 18:16.56 | hark_ | !remove x |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 18:16.58 | chaosr | very simple question, how do you start the x setup |
| 18:17.01 | lnX\ | Karmatronic pero si ya me duche :$ |
| 18:17.14 | cld2 | Skiver: the upper limit of a cat5 cable is going to be much higher then your NIC. do you have a 10g nice? |
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| 18:17.19 | hark_ | !tell chaosr about drxx |
| 18:17.21 | SexyKen | Hey guys. Opinion: AMD or Intel for Web Server/mySQL Servers/Etc |
| 18:17.25 | itchi | maybe s/apt-get --purge/aptitude purge/ |
| 18:17.50 | azeem | karmatronic: please tell people to go to the appropriate language channels instead of talking in non-english to them |
| 18:17.53 | Skiver | cld2, sorry but I don't know what's "nice" you are referring |
| 18:17.56 | itchi | Should that not be are changed in the diff factoids? about apt-get to aptitude?? |
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| 18:19.32 | cld2 | SexyKen: in my opinion AMD handles sql database serving better then intel due to how it deals with floating point calculations. but it depends on if you are going to be doing lots of read lots of writes or data ware housing. I think for low to mid web serving it doesn't matter. I Also think that the fact sun picked AMD says something about the usability of that cpu. just my .02 |
| 18:19.38 | takeower | hi evryone |
| 18:19.49 | cld2 | Skiver: NIC = network interface card . the thing with the rj45 jack |
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| 18:20.18 | eeyore- | my celeron 700 w/128MB has been serving web pages to paying customers for approx. 7 years :-) |
| 18:20.19 | karmatronic | azeem: sorry couldnt help it |
| 18:20.21 | Skiver | cld2, how to check its spec ?? |
| 18:20.29 | eeyore- | nobody complained, yet |
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| 18:20.35 | anapivirtua | Re |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | bokey: yes |
| 18:20.43 | cld2 | eeyore-: thats what im saying. web serving can be done on a treo :) |
| 18:21.23 | cld2 | Skiver: do this - sudo mii-tool -w and tell me what it says. |
| 18:21.39 | chaosr | can someone help me with the xserver, it is doing weird thing, again |
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| 18:22.07 | takeower | who ıs women how ı can understnad thats |
| 18:22.12 | SexyKen | cld2: Interesting. :-) |
| 18:22.16 | azeem | chaosr: try to explain your problem in more detail |
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| 18:22.20 | Skiver | cld2, 02:21:59 eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
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| 18:22.37 | SexyKen | cld2: Currently we have 2.8Ghz Xeon 800mhzFSB 2mbL2Cache CPU's in a dual CPU environment in a 1U SuperMicro Chassis |
| 18:22.44 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 18:22.46 | takeower | are u here me |
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| 18:22.49 | takeower | __?? |
| 18:22.52 | Seb | what's the preferred way to laod firewall rules in debian ? |
| 18:22.53 | takeower | heyy |
| 18:22.57 | cld2 | SexyKen: we just demoed and then switched away from dell xeon based boxes to hp AMD 64 boxes. we tried to compare apples to apples as far as MHZ and cache and such and the AMD boxes were about 20% faster in serving the same sql requests for our records store applications. |
| 18:22.59 | SexyKen | I'd like to make the move to Dual Core. Now I just have to decide whether I want to use AMD or Intel |
| 18:23.02 | Seb | i mean i have a /etc/iptables.conf with my rules in it, where do I call it from ? |
| 18:23.04 | eeyore- | cld2: but, fwiw, i'm upgrading to a dual-core opteron w/ IDE raid :-) |
| 18:23.07 | Seb | like what init script for instance |
| 18:23.19 | chaosr | azeem: it says it does not have mouse and kbd |
| 18:23.34 | takeower | heey |
| 18:23.49 | cld2 | Skiver: that means you are running at 100 meg full duplex. so you MIGHT have a gigabit ethernet card but your uplink is set to 100meg |
| 18:23.51 | takeower | who ıs u |
| 18:23.52 | azeem | chaosr: install the input drivers |
| 18:24.04 | chaosr | azeem: what to apt-get? |
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| 18:24.17 | jjazz | Seb: /etc/network/if-up.d/blah |
| 18:24.19 | SexyKen | Which AMD processor is made for servers |
| 18:24.21 | SexyKen | the opteron? |
| 18:24.29 | cld2 | yes |
| 18:24.40 | Skiver | cld2, anyway to set it higher ? |
| 18:24.41 | chaosr | azeem: this is weird, the install used to get them automaticly |
| 18:24.53 | SexyKen | Isn't the Opteron much cheaper than Xeons? |
| 18:25.01 | hark | chaosr: xserver-xorg-input-kbd /mouse |
| 18:25.18 | azeem | chaosr: xserver-xorg-input-mouse and xserver-xorg-input-kbd, do you have those? |
| 18:25.32 | Giona | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uo_4kyrkDc Keynote video on youtube!!! |
| 18:25.37 | cld2 | SexyKen: not much cheaper - when we switched we were switching vendors of hp gave us a deal. |
| 18:26.03 | eeyore- | cld2: don't use mii-tool, use eth-tool |
| 18:26.08 | chaosr | azeem: nop, this is weird |
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| 18:26.24 | SexyKen | cld2: Now I am curious -- if I'm using 800mhz FSB CPU's (single core) -- and I switch to 667 (on dual core) is it really slower FSB? |
| 18:26.38 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How do I renew the IP on my NIC? |
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| 18:26.52 | alper | hiii |
| 18:26.54 | cld2 | Skiver: sudo mii-tool -v eth0 - look at the capabilities line, if you see something with 1000 it means your card CAN do gige but your uplink might not support it. |
| 18:26.58 | chaosr | now it can't find any screens |
| 18:27.13 | hark | chaosr: it's a known bug. what graphics card? |
| 18:27.19 | cld2 | eeyore-: what is eth-tool ? this is new to me. thanks. |
| 18:27.21 | chaosr | hark: it used to work |
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| 18:27.43 | chaosr | hark: would reinstalling it work? |
| 18:27.46 | Skiver | cld2, nope..all 100base |
| 18:27.53 | eeyore- | cld2: ethtool will report gigabit link properly in cases where mii-tool might not |
| 18:27.57 | cld2 | Skiver: then you are as fast as your card can go. |
| 18:28.04 | hark | chaosr: no need. just tell me what graphics card you have. |
| 18:28.13 | chaosr | hark: hmm, good question |
| 18:28.13 | cld2 | Skiver: try eth-tool it sounds like mii-tool is kind of borked. |
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| 18:28.38 | Skiver | cld2, then can I somehow apply limit of upload to local hosts ? |
| 18:28.46 | hark | chaosr: try lspci |grep -i vga |
| 18:28.49 | chaosr | hark: ATI Radeon 9200 PRO |
| 18:29.09 | SexyKen | Is SCSI still faster than SATA? |
| 18:29.19 | hark | chaosr: and what does Driver: say on your xorg.conf (Section Device)? |
| 18:29.25 | Seb | jjazz: thanks man |
| 18:29.27 | Skiver | cld2, when my housemates are copying my porns like there's no tomorrow, my internet connection will hang. |
| 18:29.36 | cld2 | SexyKen: Im not 100% sure but the way I had it explained to me is this intel has a 1 to many core FSB "channel/path" while AMD has a 1 to 1 FSB "channel/path." all I know is we got as similar systems as possible and the amd boxes were fast with large sql queries. |
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| 18:30.13 | cld2 | Skiver: thats a QoS thing. you could try and limit the bandwidth or traffic shape the bandwidth for a given port - ftp, smb, what have you. |
| 18:30.16 | chaosr | hark: almost the same, a bit more specific |
| 18:30.28 | cld2 | eeyore-: thanks for the eth-tool info. |
| 18:30.35 | Skiver | cld2, smb. |
| 18:31.06 | hark | chaosr: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:31.18 | chaosr | hark: i guess debian installed x wrong |
| 18:31.30 | chaosr | hark: it worked 3 weeks ago without problems |
| 18:31.41 | cld2 | SexyKen: Ive read that if you can get NCQ working on a 10k SATA drive they can be faster. |
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| 18:31.48 | m0rbid | chaosr: you using stable? |
| 18:31.57 | chaosr | m0rbid: etch, stable does not work |
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| 18:32.18 | m0rbid | did you try apt-get install --reinstall xorg ? |
| 18:32.19 | chaosr | m0rbid: stable doesn't have the correct drivers |
| 18:32.23 | lacin | hi, I installed OpenOffice2.0 and now I want JUST install openoffice.org-help, But as I use Unstable (on Laptop) and I did apt-get update, apt says me that I must at first upgrade openoffice to new version then I can install helps and it's about 99MB, Now *how can I* install only Helps widthout updating OO.o to new version? |
| 18:32.23 | hark | chaosr: yes, it's a problem with the netinstall. it's about to be fixed iirc |
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| 18:32.36 | chaosr | hark: argg |
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| 18:32.47 | threw | hi all ! |
| 18:32.51 | cld2 | Skiver: I dont know how you would actually impalement it, but you could use QoS (Quality of Service) or something like that to limit the bandwidth for a given set of ip's (your flatmates) or a given set of ports (smb) |
| 18:32.51 | hark | chaosr: so what is the output? |
| 18:33.07 | hark | chaosr: the last one, most probably. Does it say "apm"? |
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| 18:33.25 | Skiver | cld2, QoS is a tool ? program? etc? |
| 18:33.31 | chaosr | hark: yep |
| 18:33.32 | cld2 | Skiver: its a concept |
| 18:33.35 | hark | chaosr: install xserver-xorg-video-ati and either change it manually to "ati" or run the reconfigure again. |
| 18:33.47 | chaosr | hark: this is odd |
| 18:33.48 | Skiver | cld2, can iptables do this ? |
| 18:33.51 | hark | chaosr: that should solve your problem |
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| 18:34.08 | chaosr | hark: when is the netinstall going to be fixed? |
| 18:34.30 | valdyn | Skiver: look at the wondershaper package, its a script that does this for specific ports, good base to start off |
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| 18:35.14 | Thms | çanyone knows 2 main moutain chains of USA please ? |
| 18:35.17 | hark | chaosr: they already updated xorg to force the depends. should be fixed quite soon |
| 18:35.47 | chaosr | hark: estimated time in hours/minutes |
| 18:36.03 | itchi | Thms: google is still your friend, look on google maps maybe |
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| 18:36.14 | threw | when i do a "cdrecord --scanbus" i get this: http://pastebin.ca/raw/311262 does anyone have an idea have to get the scanbus function of cdrecord work properly please ? |
| 18:36.18 | hark | chaosr: don't know. |
| 18:36.32 | hark | chaosr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405639 <-- should be it |
| 18:36.54 | chaosr | hark: i don't have any browser i can work with right now |
| 18:36.56 | valdyn | threw: is -scanbus, not --scanbus, as the error message told you |
| 18:37.22 | valdyn | threw: but you can just use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd ( or hdc or whatever your burner is ) |
| 18:37.25 | hark | !dbugs 405649 |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | #405649:S[drscheme] drscheme: FTBFS: error with doc-license.txt; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:48:14 UTC |
| 18:37.30 | biz | threw: For IDE/ATAPI devices configuration, see the file README.ATAPI.setup |
| 18:37.31 | chaosr | hark: i could just wait an hour, and hope it's fixed and reinstall debian agani |
| 18:37.44 | hark | !dbugs 405639 |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | DONE:#405639:S[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: installs arbitrary -input and -video packages; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:18:02 UTC |
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| 18:38.10 | itchi | Looks like my game is over, no more spam on the articles, good! :-) |
| 18:38.19 | chaosr | hark: i could just reinstall it right now, yes? |
| 18:38.22 | hark | chaosr: just do what i said. it should work. |
| 18:38.34 | chaosr | hark: ok |
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| 18:39.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument |
| 18:39.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 18:39.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | bound to 192.168.1.48 -- renewal in 129600 seconds. |
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| 18:39.59 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ó.ò |
| 18:40.04 | threw | valdyn, ok, but it doesnt change anything with scanbus :( but the /dev/hdd thing seems to work well |
| 18:40.09 | timthelion | how do I install schumacher fonts? |
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| 18:40.41 | |yang| | How can i see the md5sum of the cd-rom ? |
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| 18:40.56 | |yang| | the .iso that i put on a cdrom |
| 18:41.05 | valdyn | |yang|: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
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| 18:41.14 | |yang| | is it possible to check the cdrom for the right md5sum afterwards |
| 18:41.17 | chaosr | hark: thanks |
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| 18:41.20 | intruder | hi |
| 18:41.33 | Zta | When I mount a nfs4 export on client, I get this error on screen: "Warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid." When I mount the export on the server, I get no errors. Can anyone help me solve this, please? |
| 18:41.43 | timthelion | what package are the schumacher fonts stored in? |
| 18:42.07 | kaeles | any clue as to why when i try to fdisk my compaq smart array (/dev/ida/c0d0 ) it tells me it can't read it? |
| 18:42.11 | mikefoo | What can I use to connect to a remote desktop server on a windows machine? |
| 18:42.33 | petemc | rdesktop |
| 18:42.36 | hark | mikefoo: rdesktop |
| 18:42.38 | mikefoo | thanks! |
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| 18:42.50 | intruder | im using debian stable on my old machine which acts as a server, i really to convert msdos text files to unix text but the tofrodos package seems to be not included in the sarge repos, i heard it was included in syslinux, but its only in the syslinux of unstable... does anyone have a tip before i dist-upgrade only for a simple tool ? |
| 18:43.00 | petemc | kaeles: anything in dmesg or messages? |
| 18:43.05 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 18:43.06 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 18:43.09 | kaeles | mmm |
| 18:43.21 | kaeles | no |
| 18:43.27 | intruder | valdyn: wow thanks |
| 18:43.35 | kaeles | it loads the cpqarrayd and cciss drivers just find |
| 18:43.37 | kaeles | fine |
| 18:43.57 | kaeles | but the hp array configuration utility says no controllers are found |
| 18:43.58 | kaeles | :| |
| 18:44.12 | timthelion | jjazz: it doesn't though. if you get server 2003 and buy extra licences you can have as many sessions as licence |
| 18:44.28 | intruder | i guess flip would do the trick, and is included in sarge, nice |
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| 18:45.17 | timthelion | jjazz: computers are so fast these days, that if they let you have multiple sessions without multiple licences, the entire neiborhood would run of my cpu. then how would they make money, hu? |
| 18:45.21 | jjazz | timthelion: that it doesn't work out of the box is a limitation that reflects MS prioritizing selling more licenses over serving customers. |
| 18:45.47 | jjazz | timthelion: client computer needs an OS too |
| 18:46.02 | hark | mikefoo: if you need a frontend, grdesktop (or krdc) |
| 18:46.06 | timthelion | jjazz: theyd all use terminals running freebsd though |
| 18:46.25 | jjazz | timthelion: Sounds like a nice dream |
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| 18:46.41 | blondie | grrrrr |
| 18:47.00 | timthelion | jjazz: you wouldn't happen to know how I might install schumacher fonts, would you? |
| 18:47.28 | jjazz | timthelion: Never heard of them. apt-cache search schumacher will check for a package. If that fails, they might not be packaged. |
| 18:48.01 | timthelion | jjazz: well, that failed. they are part of freetype but I already have freetype installed |
| 18:48.19 | timthelion | jjazz: I am just trying to get a bigger font size in xterm |
| 18:48.21 | timthelion | :) |
| 18:48.30 | threw | does anyone have a command line/bash script in order to remplace each space in a list of name file by "_" please ? |
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| 18:49.19 | blondie | threw: rename? |
| 18:49.20 | eeyore- | threw: you mean rename files to have no spaces in the name? |
| 18:49.23 | blondie | threw: man rename? |
| 18:49.28 | jjazz | timthelion: I don't know about these fonts, but try xfontsel to play with the available fonts and their sizes |
| 18:50.02 | threw | blondie, eeyore- yes i mean ranme |
| 18:50.29 | blondie | threw: "rename" command |
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| 18:50.39 | timthelion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.55 | threw | blondie, i know man rename, but like im lazy i was wondered if it exist any script that could replace all the " " by "_" in all the file name of a directory please ? |
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| 18:51.35 | psychonate | threw, rename can do multiple files... |
| 18:51.35 | eeyore- | threw: i wrote a program for that, but, my belongings aren't here yet, so i can't do anything about it for you now :-) |
| 18:51.46 | tabris|away | threw: rename "s/\s/_/g/" * |
| 18:51.51 | tabris|away | threw: at least... it should work anyhow. |
| 18:51.55 | tabris|away | threw: oops |
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| 18:51.58 | tabris|away | threw: rename "s/\s/_/g" * |
| 18:52.41 | tabris|away | threw: you could also write a perl script to do it... i guess. |
| 18:52.58 | jjazz | tabris|away: Is there an easy way to make that recurse through a dir tree? |
| 18:53.05 | threw | tabris|away, hey thanks a lot i didnt know that we could do this thanks :) |
| 18:53.17 | tabris|away | jjazz: uhhh. abuse find and xargs |
| 18:53.19 | eeyore- | not my version of "rename" |
| 18:53.38 | tabris|away | eeyore-: well, I assume the debian/BSD rename, not the rename that stuff like MDV has. |
| 18:53.48 | jjazz | tabris|away: Yeah, I figured the answer was something like that. |
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| 18:54.09 | valdyn | !mmv |
| 18:54.09 | dpkg | mmv is probably move/copy/append/link multiple files by wildcard patterns |
| 18:54.14 | tabris|away | jjazz: additinally, one could write a persl script to do it... tho it'd be probably slower. |
| 18:54.20 | spyro_boy | hello, I'd like to say that my behavior the other day was unacceptable and I'm sorry. Anyway, moving on. I'm getting an error with X that fglx couldn't be initalized or something because libstdc++ wasn't found. I tried to do apt-get install libstdc++ but that didn't work. Any ideas? |
| 18:54.35 | h3sp4wn | spyro_boy: You need libstc++5 |
| 18:55.18 | jjazz | tabris|away: speed isn't the issue. laziness is, and off-the-cuff one-liners are appealing |
| 18:55.29 | jelly-home | tabris|away: err, rename _is_ a perl script |
| 18:55.35 | spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 18:55.45 | blondie | haha |
| 18:56.07 | biz | jjazz: find / -type f -exec rename "s/\s/_/g" "{}" \; |
| 18:56.25 | biz | but don't do it on / *g* |
| 18:56.27 | Thms | anyone knows 2 main moutain chains of USA please ? |
| 18:56.38 | Ronin | Thms: www.google.com |
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| 18:56.57 | psychonate | Thms, Andes and Himalayas |
| 18:57.01 | threw | heuh... another question please what does mean "BURN-Free was never needed." in cdrecord please ? |
| 18:57.03 | Thms | thanks psychonate |
| 18:57.19 | Ronin | someones going to get an F i see :) |
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| 18:57.28 | Thms | :P |
| 18:57.41 | Thms | no 20 (france) its 20/20 ;D |
| 18:57.49 | tabris|away | biz: presumably should make it find / -name '* *' -type f -exec rename "s/\s/_/g" "{}" \; |
| 18:57.51 | jjazz | biz: Thanks. I'll give that a whirl |
| 18:57.51 | Ronin | psychonate: least you'll be warm and know lots of folks :) |
| 18:57.52 | tabris|away | biz: or... |
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| 18:58.15 | tabris|away | biz: find / -type d -exec rename "s/\s/_/g" {}/* \; |
| 18:58.19 | psychonate | Ronin, you make it sound like a retirement home in florida heh |
| 18:58.29 | Ronin | it may be |
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| 18:59.00 | jelly-home | threw: the buffer has been non-empty during the whole burning process, so the burnfree capabilities were not used |
| 18:59.02 | psychonate | now, that would be hell |
| 18:59.06 | tabris|away | threw: Burn-free is a feature of some newer (last ~5 years) CD burners, that allows it to underrun its buffer and not make a coaster. |
| 18:59.35 | biz | tabris|away: just for performance.. just gave him an example to have a start |
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| 18:59.58 | tabris|away | threw: rocky mountains and the ... uhh. Starts with an A, on the ast coast... hicks and hillbillies live there... |
| 19:00.13 | jelly-home | Apalachee? |
| 19:00.17 | tabris|away | yeah. |
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| 19:00.20 | tabris|away | Apallachians |
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| 19:00.26 | eeyore- | appalachia |
| 19:00.38 | biz | i'd prefer apache |
| 19:00.38 | psychonate | why does no one say the Rockies |
| 19:00.41 | psychonate | I thought they were famous |
| 19:00.44 | tabris|away | psychonate: I did... |
| 19:00.53 | tabris|away | psychonate: note I said "rocky mountains" |
| 19:01.01 | psychonate | tabris|away, I shan't note it |
| 19:01.06 | psychonate | I will go one pretending you did not |
| 19:01.06 | biz | who cares (; |
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| 19:02.34 | m0rbid | Anyone know what font is used for "debian"? |
| 19:02.39 | m0rbid | their logo? |
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| 19:04.58 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody has used zenooss, nagios or cactis? What do u prefer? |
| 19:06.57 | jelly-home | Edwin_Quijada: btw what's the correct spelling of zenoose? I can't look it up |
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| 19:07.51 | Edwin_Quijada | jelly-home http://www.zenoss.org/ |
| 19:07.57 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 19:09.15 | cahoot | m0rbid, according to google: Poppl Laudation Condensed |
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| 19:09.17 | cld2 | I know this is #debian but are any of you looking at the new iPhone.... WOW! is all I can say. |
| 19:10.33 | m0rbid | man I want that font they used. |
| 19:10.33 | cahoot | http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 m0rbid |
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| 19:10.39 | m0rbid | Im gunna go looking for it. |
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| 19:12.25 | tuxedup | I keep experiancing weird lockups with ym machine when viewing certain websites. The xserver seems to almost completely lock up, expect II can move my mosue around, but I am unable to do anythign else, only hard reset means i can restart, any ideas? |
| 19:13.08 | tuxedup | It only started happening about 2 months ago, until then xorghad been working without any problems, im using kde, the nv driver in x org on etch |
| 19:14.06 | sepski | tuxedup, i had something like that on a new system, but i was able to ssh in and kill the x process. and a bios update made it go away. |
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| 19:15.11 | tuxedup | sepski: this isnt a new system, its been happely running from the testing branch for over year, until 2 months ago. Its only websites that cause the lock up e.g. youtube, register in all borwsers |
| 19:16.10 | janttsu | can't find package gnome-screenshot.. ?? |
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| 19:16.39 | tuxedup | sepski: and its not really locked up because i can see the curser moving when i move the mouse, just the keyboard does nothing so i cant even restart the xserver. |
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| 19:17.04 | eeyore- | tuxedup: read /var/log/X*log, if nvidia, upgrade the driver (known bug) |
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| 19:17.28 | tuxedup | eeyore-: i dont use the nvidia driver, i use the free nv driver |
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| 19:17.45 | eeyore- | tuxedup: kernel? 2.6.19? |
| 19:18.15 | tuxedup | eeyore-: no the 2.6.18-3 currently in etch |
| 19:18.21 | eeyore- | nm |
| 19:18.34 | Giona | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uo_4kyrkDc Keynote video on youtube!!! |
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| 19:19.35 | jjazz | Giona: how many times are you going to post the keynote? Knock it off |
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| 19:19.56 | Jeriko-- | hi |
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| 19:20.12 | tuxedup | eeyore-: could it possibly be something to do with my xorg config file? I havent changed it, and I think it didnt happen until some xorg upgrade. Would reconfiguring xorg solve the problem? |
| 19:20.31 | Jeriko-- | I was wondering if there are any type ahead launchers (e.g. Colibri) for X11 available? |
| 19:20.37 | rvsjoen | i'm having some problems with syslog-ng, after it's been running for a while it just stops logging and /var/log/messages is empty, I recently upgraded to version 2.0.0 hoping it would help but with no results, its a default configuration. The process doesn't die though, it just doesn't log anything |
| 19:21.04 | wfq | hi, someone removed my linux partition using partition magic from windows and now i lost my lilo. is it possible to install lilo without linux by using linux live? |
| 19:21.39 | eeyore- | tuxedup: doubtful |
| 19:21.46 | rvsjoen | boot on the live cd, mount and chroot to your linux partition and run lilo again |
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| 19:22.14 | Ebbs | t |
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| 19:23.28 | wfq | rvsjoen. my linux partition is already removed |
| 19:23.50 | tuxedup | eeyore-: could it possibly some dying hardware then? |
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| 19:24.01 | rvsjoen | are you sure the partition is gone and not just the bootloader ? |
| 19:24.05 | hark | wfq: why do you need lilo then? |
| 19:24.21 | h3sp4wn | Jeriko--: I think katapult is a similar type of idea to Colibri (but its only for kde) |
| 19:24.28 | wfq | hark, it is grub no lilo |
| 19:25.07 | eeyore- | tuxedup: i'd blame the driver/Xorg. |
| 19:25.17 | wfq | because i don't know which the administrator's passowrd and i can't use the windows installation cd |
| 19:25.17 | eeyore- | tuxedup: are you *sure* you're using nv and not nvidia? |
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| 19:25.41 | rvsjoen | huh |
| 19:25.52 | tuxedup | eeyore-: I am possitive, I dont have anything non-free on the machine |
| 19:26.00 | hark | wfq: ok, so why do you need grub then? Anything other than windows installed? |
| 19:26.15 | wfq | no |
| 19:26.17 | wfq | just windows |
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| 19:26.30 | eeyore- | wfq: so why do you want lilo? |
| 19:26.39 | wfq | i don't want lilo |
| 19:26.46 | wfq | i would like to start windows again |
| 19:26.55 | eeyore- | wfq: oh, that! |
| 19:26.58 | blondie | why would we care about windows? ;P |
| 19:26.59 | wfq | the problem is i get the typical error 22 from grub |
| 19:26.59 | hark | wfq: do you have a windows setup disc? |
| 19:27.01 | Supaplex | today? eeeek ;) |
| 19:27.12 | eeyore- | wfq: go find a windows 95 cdrom, run "fdisk /mbr" just like that, no quotes |
| 19:27.21 | wfq | hark, i have it but i don't have the administratro password |
| 19:28.02 | wfq | so i can't use the windos recovery console |
| 19:28.16 | wfq | when i try it i i have to entry this password |
| 19:28.26 | wfq | for this reason i thought using linux |
| 19:28.29 | rvsjoen | its been a while since I did that, but can't you use the recovery console without logging in to any of the 2k/xp installations ? |
| 19:28.55 | rvsjoen | alternatively get a w95/w98 bootdisk like suggested above |
| 19:28.58 | eeyore- | rvsjoen: i don't believe you can, as far as i remember. it's microsoft's pathetic attempt at security |
| 19:29.11 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 19:29.22 | wfq | yes, that good but this is a laptop and i don't have disk driver |
| 19:29.32 | rvsjoen | boot cd then.. ? :) |
| 19:29.33 | eeyore- | wfq: windows 95 cdrom? |
| 19:29.36 | eeyore- | wfq: mmm? |
| 19:29.40 | wfq | yes i have one |
| 19:29.44 | eeyore- | well then? |
| 19:29.45 | mcnaft | !help sound |
| 19:29.57 | blondie | wtf was that |
| 19:30.07 | wfq | so, what can i do with that? |
| 19:30.18 | eeyore- | wfq: with what? |
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| 19:30.34 | wfq | with windows boot cdrom |
| 19:30.52 | tuxedup | eeyore-: Il just switch to vesa driver and see if problems prsists with that, if i care bare the slowness |
| 19:30.55 | eeyore- | wfq: boot it, don't install windows 95, just boot to the command line, type "fdisk /mbr" like i told you waaaaaaaaay earlier |
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| 19:31.56 | wfq | eeyore, but when the wndows 95 cdrom is inside i'll get the installation screens directly |
| 19:32.21 | wfq | i will not have chance to write that... |
| 19:32.21 | h3sp4wn | wfq: press f8 |
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| 19:32.29 | h3sp4wn | wfq: select command prompt only (I think thats right ?) |
| 19:32.36 | wfq | unbelieveble!!! |
| 19:32.39 | wfq | i'll try |
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| 19:33.40 | mcnaft | setting up sound in Debian is it hard? |
| 19:34.01 | h3sp4wn | wfq: If its not f8 its f5 |
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| 19:35.12 | eeyore- | wfq: no, you'll have a chance to choose what you want to do |
| 19:35.46 | wfq | ok, thanks a lot |
| 19:35.47 | eeyore- | wfq: or maybe it's win98 .... one of those. the boot screen will ask you, "install windows", "boot with cdrom support" and "boot without cdrom support", pick any of the last two |
| 19:36.02 | eeyore- | wfq: it's a very brief menu, so act fast |
| 19:36.13 | Thms | is business card slower than netinstall for installation ? |
| 19:37.10 | wfq | thank you very much friends |
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| 19:39.08 | mcnaft | help! apt-get update hands as 99% [17 Packages gzip 0] |
| 19:39.44 | mcnaft | s/hands/hangs |
| 19:40.03 | raf256 | dddear gggggooddd iiiiiii ddddddiddddddd iiiittttt aggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnn |
| 19:40.21 | raf256 | xxsseeeettt ssssssshhhoooould iiinnnccllluuuddeeee aaaaaaaaa ssssssssaaannnnnnneeee llllllliimmmmitttt |
| 19:40.35 | jelly-home | raf256: copy/paste is your friend |
| 19:41.30 | raf256 | heh I misstaken dela with rate =) |
| 19:41.54 | eeyore- | raf256: GIGO |
| 19:42.02 | eeyore- | raf256: RTFM |
| 19:42.07 | eeyore- | raf256: and YMMV |
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| 19:46.08 | streuner | huhu eeyore- |
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| 19:49.58 | jpin | Hi, does anyone know anything about 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 running slow on laptop ? (sometimes slower when on ac power?) |
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| 19:50.19 | streuner | How did you find that out? |
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| 19:50.53 | jpin | streuner: well.. everything is ok with 2.6.16 |
| 19:51.05 | Thms | is business card slower than netinstall for installation ? |
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| 19:51.20 | jpin | streuner: and if i unplug the ac power, on boot gets ways faster |
| 19:51.20 | streuner | no |
| 19:51.26 | jpin | which is weird |
| 19:51.48 | streuner | jpin: is DMA used by the kernels? |
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| 19:52.21 | jpin | streuner: what do you mean? how can i check that? my disk is on udma if that's what you mean |
| 19:52.41 | streuner | grep dmesg |
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| 19:53.16 | jpin | DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:0 |
| 19:53.17 | jpin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.17 | jpin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.19 | groton | when you mount an ext3 fs, where does come from the permissions? here i am using "/dev/lacie /media/lacie auto rw,users,group,noauto 0 2" but the permissions are set to: 755, and not 777 :/ |
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| 19:53.55 | blondie | groton: the permissions on /media/lacie |
| 19:54.07 | blondie | chmod 777 /media/lacie |
| 19:54.08 | groton | blondie, they are 0777, i already chmoded it |
| 19:54.15 | valdyn | jpin: what does 'cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/AC/state' tell when power is plugged in? |
| 19:54.28 | groton | blondie, ah, wait! |
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| 19:54.33 | jareth_ | how do I disable ipv6 in testing? |
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| 19:54.59 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 19:55.00 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:55.01 | jpin | valdyn: i don't have /proc/acpi/ac directory |
| 19:55.10 | jpin | $ ls /proc/acpi/ |
| 19:55.10 | jpin | alarm embedded_controller fadt power_resource wakeup |
| 19:55.11 | jpin | dsdt event info processor |
| 19:55.14 | durodolas | help with phpmyadmin locked out |
| 19:55.22 | valdyn | jareth_: look at what dpkg said and blacklist ipv6 |
| 19:55.36 | valdyn | jpin: the power_resource directory might contain same info |
| 19:55.39 | groton | blondie, i retryed the chmodding, it worked now, thanks |
| 19:55.42 | jareth_ | thanks, valdyn :) |
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| 19:56.10 | jpin | cat /proc/acpi/power_resource/GFAN/state |
| 19:56.10 | jpin | state: on |
| 19:56.10 | jpin | system level: S0 |
| 19:56.10 | jpin | order: 0 |
| 19:56.10 | jpin | reference count: 1 |
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| 19:56.21 | streuner | idiot |
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| 19:56.29 | jpin | oops sorry |
| 19:56.56 | jpin | valdyn: not really, just a GFAN directory |
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| 19:58.05 | valdyn | jpin: no idea what exactly this means, anyway your system behaves like its reversiing ac on / off |
| 19:58.09 | jareth_ | valdyn, how do I check if it worked? |
| 19:58.37 | valdyn | jareth_: 'lsmod | grep ipv6' now, and after a reboot |
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| 19:58.47 | jareth_ | :) |
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| 19:59.27 | jpin | valdyn: kind of.. the thing is that, on AC.. it sets the frequency to max (centrino).. and the computer gets slow, on battery, it sets frequency to lower.. and computer works faster and cooler |
| 19:59.38 | jpin | very weird |
| 19:59.44 | eeyore- | eh? |
| 19:59.53 | eeyore- | does not compute |
| 19:59.57 | valdyn | jpin: how are you determining which is slower / faster ? |
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| 20:00.14 | jpin | cat /proc/cpuinfo shows me the current cpu mhz |
| 20:00.30 | jpin | to measure whis is faster.. i just open a file manager |
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| 20:00.46 | valdyn | jpin: does 'dmesg' give any errors when its in slow mode ? |
| 20:00.47 | jpin | and watch thing really slowly animated |
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| 20:01.00 | jpin | valdyn: let me check |
| 20:01.03 | Guerin | i blame poor cooling resulting in cpu throttle |
| 20:01.11 | valdyn | jpin: compare fan noise too |
| 20:01.20 | eeyore- | opening a file manager? |
| 20:01.24 | valdyn | maybe this junk needs software for fan-control... |
| 20:01.26 | eeyore- | you could be measuring speed of cache ... |
| 20:01.34 | Guerin | eeyore-: the most objective of tests |
| 20:01.41 | valdyn | Guerin: yea exactly |
| 20:02.24 | valdyn | jpin: dmesg could be showing warnings about cpu exceptions or throttling |
| 20:02.29 | jpin | valdyn: dmesg doesn't show anything new... all i'm trying to trace now is the contents of /var/log/acpi |
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| 20:03.06 | valdyn | jpin: does your fan ever spin up? |
| 20:03.07 | jpin | valdyn: and it's not running any script when i plug/unplug ac |
| 20:03.19 | jpin | valdyn: yes, fan is running same speed all the time |
| 20:03.30 | valdyn | jpin: then that's broken i guess |
| 20:03.34 | jpin | valdyn: i'm determining the speed just for the noise.. |
| 20:03.44 | valdyn | jpin: google or somesuch, you might have to speed up your fan manually |
| 20:03.45 | Guerin | jpin: in warranty? |
| 20:04.02 | valdyn | jpin: or even better, return that junk and get a thinkpad ;) |
| 20:04.04 | jpin | valdyn: well.. the thing is that my laptop works really ok in 2.6.16, so it's not an hardware issue (i hope) |
| 20:04.21 | valdyn | jpin: maybe your fan works better in 2.6.16? |
| 20:04.54 | jpin | 2.6.17 and up is when that SMP switch code entered the kernel... |
| 20:05.13 | jpin | valdyn: the laptop works great on battery mode |
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| 20:05.35 | jpin | something is wrong somewhere in 2.6.17 and up |
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| 20:06.26 | streuner | jpin: besides, what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 20:06.33 | valdyn | jpin: you could also just wait for 2.6.19 |
| 20:06.57 | Guerin | revert to .16 -> problem solved |
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| 20:07.10 | jpin | Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 |
| 20:07.19 | Guerin | or build 2.6.19, it's not rocket science. You probably want suspend2 and some other stuff as well |
| 20:07.22 | jpin | Guerin: true..... |
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| 20:08.24 | jpin | is 2.6.19 going to take long to get into debian? :-) |
| 20:08.46 | eeyore- | my stinkpad runs 2.6.19 nicely |
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| 20:09.33 | Guerin | yeh, the suspend2 2.2.9 patch applies clean to 2.6.19.1 and builds and works perfectly on my t42 |
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| 20:10.25 | jelly-home | Guerin: so you're not using the kernel from the distro? Shame on you |
| 20:10.58 | streuner | jelly-home: many people do so |
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| 20:11.07 | sam__ | nick FoxFire |
| 20:11.13 | streuner | they aren't newbies... |
| 20:11.33 | FireXoF | What's debian like |
| 20:11.34 | Guerin | jelly-home: i would, except debian doesn't package suspend2, which is indispensable for serious laptoppery |
| 20:11.43 | Guerin | FireXoF: it's like chocolate |
| 20:11.50 | jelly-home | Guerin: I get by with uswsusp |
| 20:11.52 | Guerin | FireXoF: the more you eat, the more you like it |
| 20:12.08 | FireXoF | is it easy? |
| 20:12.27 | eeyore- | suspend2 is another reason for swap = at least 1.5x memory |
| 20:12.35 | eeyore- | so there! |
| 20:12.41 | Guerin | FireXoF: it depends on your attitude. It's easy, if you don't expect to have your hand held. |
| 20:12.55 | Guerin | jelly-home: i have never trusted suspend-to-ram systems |
| 20:13.08 | Guerin | jelly-home: (not sure if that is one, but that's whty I use s2) |
| 20:13.16 | FireXoF | well Im good with ubuntu...just wondered how different debian is |
| 20:13.56 | Guerin | FireXoF: debian has less gui, but is built on the same code |
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| 20:14.16 | Guerin | FireXoF: ubuntu emphasis on superficial ease of use; debian emphasis on robustness |
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| 20:15.23 | Flimzy | Is an nForce 410 or SiS 761GX motherboard chipset likely to be better supported by Linux? |
| 20:15.41 | jelly-home | Guerin: me too... uswsusp is can to both disk and ram. u stands for "we're crazy and have tried to offload most of the suspend/resume stuff into userspace". So userspace does compressing/encrypting of the image, and there's a fair bit of magic in initrd that reads up from swap and figures out if there's an image to restore before handling it to kernel |
| 20:16.00 | karsten | Flimzy: Probably the SIS, though it's a crap unaccelerated chip IIRC. |
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| 20:16.19 | Flimzy | karsten: Yes, I'm sure it is :) Crap chipset is fine, so long as it works. |
| 20:16.23 | karsten | Flimzy: Fine for console / terminal work, but things like Google earth suck on it. |
| 20:16.41 | Flimzy | karsten: I'll actually just be using it as a Xen sandbox. |
| 20:16.51 | Flimzy | karsten: Just need the cheapest 64-bit system I can get ahold of. |
| 20:17.05 | karsten | s/fo/of |
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| 20:17.50 | Guerin | jelly-home: mm. Is it in mainline? |
| 20:17.55 | jelly-home | Guerin: yup |
| 20:18.32 | jelly-home | Guerin: It's mainline's attempt to trump suspend2, I'd say ;-) |
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| 20:21.12 | jelly-home | Guerin: but it's scary sometimes. Eg. I suspend to disk (Debian's kernel supports it), boot another kernel without uswsusp support, shutdown, boot Debian's kernel again and it starts resuming. |
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| 20:21.29 | vivijim | hi all, I have a modified debian repository in my machine and I want to set it to use debootstrap to download and use my repository as a chroot ... does anybody can help me ? |
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| 20:21.57 | Guerin | jelly-home: heh |
| 20:22.11 | Guerin | jelly-home: see, that breaks suspend2 unless you use the filewriter |
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| 20:23.06 | Guerin | vivijim: install debootstrap and edit the scripts which control it |
| 20:23.51 | mindframe | how do i add a new image to grub? do i just edit menu.lst ? |
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| 20:24.31 | Guerin | mindframe: run update-grub; if it doesn't pick it up, edit the file (but read it first) |
| 20:24.35 | vivijim | Guerin: this /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/unstable for example ? just it ? |
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| 20:24.59 | mindframe | Guerin: whats initrd first? |
| 20:25.10 | ilyak | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235245 |
| 20:25.15 | mindframe | Guerin: err whats initrd for? |
| 20:25.21 | ilyak | Is this problem solveable in etch? |
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| 20:25.32 | ilyak | My sound volume sucks too? |
| 20:25.47 | janttsu | any ideas? i have an old computer here without hard drive. it can't boot directly from usb, only from cd. can i boot from cd, install debian on the usb key end then boot it with grub? |
| 20:26.10 | ^scott^ | I'm trying to do a USB based install of Debian, but am unable to find documentation that I can follow online. Does anyone have any good pointers? |
| 20:26.34 | Guerin | mindframe: it's for loading kernel modules before the OS has mounted any filesystems |
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| 20:26.58 | mindframe | Guerin: would that be located somewhere in my kernel src directory? |
| 20:27.03 | ChaosR | !scroll |
| 20:27.04 | dpkg | Ok we now that you know how to press enter. Now type at least one sentence before pressing next time. |
| 20:27.09 | Guerin | jelly-home: get a hard drive for it |
| 20:27.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:27.11 | Ny-Ty | scott: usb install ? |
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| 20:27.15 | Guerin | janttsu: ↑ |
| 20:27.25 | ChaosR | how can you enable the scroll wheel in linux? |
| 20:27.27 | Guerin | ^scott^: i think the ig covers this |
| 20:27.29 | ChaosR | debian* |
| 20:27.33 | Ny-Ty | scott: you must get netinstall |
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| 20:27.38 | Ny-Ty | and unpack iso to your usb hard drive |
| 20:27.52 | janttsu | Guerin: that's not the same thing.. i wan't to run linux from usb, not install from it |
| 20:27.57 | Ny-Ty | ChaosR: it`s broblem of xorg |
| 20:28.02 | ^scott^ | Ny-Ty:Just a straight dd? |
| 20:28.02 | Ny-Ty | you must emulate 3 click mouse |
| 20:28.03 | jelly-home | ilyak: heh. I have too much volume using the same driver on a Thinkpad Z60m, it starts clipping at about 70% PCM volume. |
| 20:28.16 | Ny-Ty | in dpkg-reconfigure utility |
| 20:28.20 | janttsu | i understand that grub can boot from usb? |
| 20:28.32 | amphi | !tell ChaosR about mousewheel |
| 20:28.34 | ^scott^ | Guerin: I failed at clicking forward after choosing the architecrure. Blah. Checking there too. |
| 20:28.37 | Guerin | janttsu: but not if your computer can't |
| 20:28.42 | jelly-home | janttsu: probably only if bios supports it |
| 20:28.56 | ^scott^ | Guerin: Wait, all it says is that it's useful. ya. |
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| 20:29.12 | ilyak | jelly-home: I have too less |
| 20:29.15 | ilyak | On my sblive |
| 20:29.19 | ^scott^ | Guerin: Is this the URL you had in? mind http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2465646 |
| 20:29.28 | ilyak | Thought I have a hda-intel in my board, just turned off |
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| 20:29.42 | Guerin | ^scott^: something like that |
| 20:29.44 | ^scott^ | Ny-Ty: I'll try a straight dd |
| 20:29.51 | jelly-home | ilyak: uh, I don't think sblive uses snd-hda-intel |
| 20:30.13 | ^scott^ | Guerin: It's got two sentences there explaining why a USB install is good, but no real meat :-\ |
| 20:30.15 | jelly-home | ilyak: maybe try #alsa |
| 20:30.33 | ilyak | jelly-home: It doesn't |
| 20:30.40 | ilyak | But symptomatics are same :-/ |
| 20:30.42 | mindframe | Guerin: do I just point initrd to bzImage? |
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| 20:30.46 | Guerin | ^scott^: mm, suck. |
| 20:31.03 | Guerin | mindframe: no. If you don't have an initrd, don't point it anywhere. You should know. |
| 20:31.07 | pickcoder | I am trying to figure out why my mail logs are being rotated daily. logrotate.conf is defaulted to weekly and there is not /var/log/mail* entries in logrotate.d |
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| 20:31.09 | ChaosR | hehe, I had set it to PS/2 while it needed to be IMPS/2 |
| 20:31.09 | Guerin | mindframe: bzimage is a kernel, usually |
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| 20:31.29 | jelly-home | ilyak: can be a hundred reasons. Your URL however points to some laptop hardware and is probably not relevant |
| 20:31.58 | ilyak | jelly-home: Can you please name three of that hundred? |
| 20:32.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:32.15 | jelly-home | ilyak: uhh, nope :-) |
| 20:32.15 | ^scott^ | Ny-Ty: Trying a dd if netinst |
| 20:32.25 | ilyak | jelly-home: My point exactly :( |
| 20:32.49 | jelly-home | ilyak: apart from "bad driver", "user's fault", and "something third" which is not very helpful |
| 20:33.46 | pickcoder | hrm..crontab |
| 20:33.56 | ilyak | jelly-home: I can't change user so I'll have to try fooling around driver :) |
| 20:33.57 | rgsteele | Anybody familiar with 'mail'? I'm wondering if it's possible for a bash script to generate a message body in an automated process? |
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| 20:34.47 | pickcoder | nope... gah this is starting to irritate me |
| 20:34.53 | rgsteele | Nevermind. I think I can just cat a file with a message and then just pipe it to mail |
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| 20:35.27 | jelly-home | rgsteele: don't even need mail for that, echo "$body" | sendmail -t |
| 20:35.35 | pickcoder | rgsteele: you can use the sendmail application to read from a file |
| 20:35.45 | mindframe | Guerin: I'm running vmware and i'm getting this error when booting: Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 20:36.04 | Guerin | mindframe: go back and build your kernel properly |
| 20:36.09 | mindframe | ya |
| 20:36.15 | Guerin | mindframe: or better yet, use a debian kernel |
| 20:36.22 | Guerin | or better yet, don't use fucking vmware |
| 20:36.28 | mindframe | i patched w/ grsec |
| 20:36.29 | rgsteele | I'm pretty sure we use Exim as the sendmail path |
| 20:36.54 | rgsteele | Or perhaps, better stated as the sendmail path points to the Exim binary. |
| 20:36.54 | mindframe | Guerin: work computer, they wont let me re-partition and i have to have a few windows progs |
| 20:36.56 | asg | rgsteele: should still work. |
| 20:37.18 | rgsteele | asg: Yeah, true. |
| 20:37.24 | Guerin | mindframe: so sad. |
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| 20:37.33 | mindframe | very :( |
| 20:37.35 | ^scott^ | Ny-Ty: That didn't work. I tried all four possible USB type in BIOS and they all failed and it went to the normal OS. |
| 20:38.01 | pickcoder | does the postfix install normally put in a logrotate script? |
| 20:38.03 | alvarezp | abrotman, are you there? |
| 20:38.15 | pickcoder | gah.. why am I asking here I have 4 other boxes |
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| 20:39.05 | streuner | pickcoder: debian's postfix packages run in a chroot and saves the log into /var/log/mail.info |
| 20:39.17 | pickcoder | I know |
| 20:39.21 | pickcoder | but what rotates them ? |
| 20:39.31 | pickcoder | there is not /var/log/mail* for logrotate |
| 20:39.32 | jelly-home | mindframe: sounds like a) you forgot to set root= or b) you forgot to compile in drivers for your root fs and/or root device controller or c) drivers are compiled as modules and you forgot to create an initrd or d) improper initrd |
| 20:39.34 | mike-e | what's this icechicken program |
| 20:39.40 | pickcoder | and there are no crontabs doing it |
| 20:39.40 | mike-e | that's installing with thunderbird? |
| 20:39.46 | asg | pickcoder: I *think* postfix does it internally |
| 20:39.55 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 20:39.57 | rahul | apt-cache show icechicken |
| 20:39.59 | pickcoder | hrm.. maybe |
| 20:40.06 | jelly-home | !icechicken |
| 20:40.07 | asg | pickcoder: like qmail, etc. |
| 20:40.17 | pickcoder | no |
| 20:40.20 | pickcoder | syslog facilit |
| 20:40.26 | asg | pickcoder: ah, okay |
| 20:40.27 | mike-e | !icedove |
| 20:40.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 20:40.32 | pickcoder | syslog name is postfix |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | alvarezp: yep |
| 20:40.34 | pickcoder | facil is mail |
| 20:40.39 | mike-e | what the crap |
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| 20:40.50 | pickcoder | I need weekly logs |
| 20:40.51 | mindframe | jelly-home: how do i create an init-rd? i know ive set root= and im pretty sure ive got the proper drivers for controllers |
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| 20:42.08 | mkns | i'm attempting to install debian etch using the netinst, however, i'm not sure how to configure the WPA key for my wireless network so that I can download the rest of the packages... does anyone know how i do that? |
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| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | mindframe: there are options in make-kpkg that handle initrd creating, I don't know how do it myself. There's a quick solution: make sure drivers for scsi, sd_mod and ext3 are compiled in (=y), not modules |
| 20:42.31 | alvarezp | abrotman, this is what came out when trying to apply the xkb patch: http://rafb.net/p/b6MFNG51.html It hasn't been applied yet. I'm trying to configure it as we speak. |
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| 20:43.06 | jelly-home | mindframe: assuming you have a scsi controller in the guest. |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | alvarezp: gravity said the patch hadn't been applied yet |
| 20:43.19 | alvarezp | abrotman, s/configure/compile/ |
| 20:43.31 | mindframe | jelly-home: yeah i think vmware uses scsi |
| 20:43.39 | alvarezp | abrotman, oh, thanks. |
| 20:43.40 | jelly-home | mindframe: verify. It can do both. |
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| 20:44.17 | P4C0 | hello... |
| 20:44.39 | jelly-home | mindframe: also verify (with a livecd or something) which scsi controller is it, newer versions have mptscsih/mptspi, older had some other scsi controller |
| 20:44.46 | abrotman | alvarezp: and he wasn't sure it would get in before etch releases |
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| 20:45.25 | P4C0 | one question, I have one old etch pc, latetly i install etch in another one, and libsnmp in old have version 5 and in new it have 9... i have done apt-get update in both nodes and they are using the same server... how is this possible? how can I do? i need to have same version in both |
| 20:46.21 | mkns | P4C0 - do they have the same sources.list ? |
| 20:46.21 | alvarezp | abrotman, lack of testing or lack of a cleanly applying patch? |
| 20:46.27 | P4C0 | mkns, yes, i will check |
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| 20:46.43 | Flimzy | Has anyone here tried to get a Broadcom AC131 onboard NIC to work in Linux? |
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| 20:47.23 | P4C0 | mkns, my mistake, sorry :p |
| 20:47.29 | mkns | :) |
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| 20:48.50 | mkns | i'm attempting to install debian etch using the netinst, however, i'm not sure how to configure the WPA key for my wireless network so that I can connect to the internet and download the rest of the packages... does anyone know how to configure wireless networking when all you've installed so far is the netinst stuff? |
| 20:49.54 | Flimzy | Is am2 the same as socket 940 or something? |
| 20:50.31 | asg | mkns: you'll need wpasupplicant, wireless-tools and a supported card. |
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| 20:50.57 | mkns | ah ha - thx, i'll try that now |
| 20:51.13 | asg | mkns: I don't know if they are on the netinstall though. |
| 20:52.01 | mkns | asg: i'll find out in 2 seconds... |
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| 20:54.13 | bkw_ | I can't find postfix-tls in "testing", are there any other package that is for postfix with tls? |
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| 20:55.09 | jelly-home | bkw_: postfix itself Provides: postfix-tls |
| 20:55.13 | mkns | asg: doesn't look like it, unfortunately. |
| 20:55.24 | outlaw84 | what state should a parition be in before you try to create a raid array with it? I am trying to use mdadm |
| 20:55.29 | mkns | i think i'll just have to locate a CAT5 somewhere in my loft to get it past this stage... |
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| 20:55.35 | bkw_ | jelly-home: are you sure about that? |
| 20:55.50 | jelly-home | bkw_: apt-cache show postfix |
| 20:56.01 | slept_ | how can i meassure the speed of my connection , i was told i have guaranteed 6Mbit down and 256 kBit down but it feels a lot slower , so i would like to be able to "proof" that they have to change things .... any ideas ? |
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| 20:56.30 | bkw_ | Provides: mail-transport-agent, postfix-tls |
| 20:56.33 | outlaw84 | slept_: call them and whine |
| 20:56.38 | asg | mkns: easiest way, I've always found |
| 20:56.42 | bkw_ | that's true. but there's no seperate package with that name? |
| 20:56.50 | mkns | slept_: http://www.dslreports.com/stest |
| 20:56.56 | mkns | asg: aye, you're probably right |
| 20:57.05 | jelly-home | bkw_: not any more it seems |
| 20:57.13 | mkns | asg: i thought i had a cable kicking around at my desk. i should just get off my lazy ass. |
| 20:57.30 | asg | mkns: once you go wireless, it's hard to go back ;) |
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| 20:57.48 | expose | Hi |
| 20:57.56 | Maximilianoadl | hla |
| 20:57.57 | Maximilianoadl | hola |
| 20:57.58 | mkns | aye, i've used it for years. i stupidly installed ubuntu on the laptop but i hate it so want to go back to etch. |
| 20:58.27 | mkns | asg: ya beauty - i've just found the cable! |
| 20:58.33 | jelly-home | asg: it's not hard to go back to wired if you're paranoid about microwave spectrum emissions :-) |
| 20:58.54 | asg | jelly-home: I smoke and drink a lot, mses are the least of my worries at this point :) |
| 20:59.14 | Maximilianoadl | any can tell me if a RAW image of a diskette is the same to an ISO image of a diskette...? |
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| 20:59.37 | jelly-home | Maximilianoadl: an ISO is usually an image of a CD or DVD, not a floppy |
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| 21:01.31 | Maximilianoadl | <jelly-home> i know its usually for cd and dvd... but i use an old ms-dos program for copy floppys... and it can do copies of iso images... i need to know if the difference betwen ISO and RAW is just the name |
| 21:01.34 | jelly-home | asg: i have a 30 foot cat5 and walk with it around the room. wireless is on only when the machine is in the kitchen (can't cook without #debian! or whatever) |
| 21:01.58 | pickcoder | ISO is an image format |
| 21:02.01 | asg | jelly-home: haha, watch the bacon, the carcinogens will off you :) |
| 21:02.05 | jelly-home | Maximilianoadl: probably |
| 21:02.07 | sparr | hahaha.... debconf: (Dialog frontend requires a screen at least 13 lines tall and 31 columns wide.) |
| 21:02.23 | pickcoder | RAW has no format itself |
| 21:02.30 | jelly-home | asg: but it tastes good O:-) |
| 21:02.35 | pickcoder | it takes the format of the resource it was poked from |
| 21:02.36 | asg | jelly-home: oh, indeed |
| 21:02.39 | pickcoder | er peeked |
| 21:02.40 | Maximilianoadl | im trying to install debian in a Apple macintosh performa 6360 from 1994 |
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| 21:02.57 | asg | sparr: you running it on your cell? |
| 21:02.57 | Maximilianoadl | and donnot boot from cd |
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| 21:05.20 | sparr | asg: in the little terminal built into kate :) |
| 21:06.05 | abrotman | alvarezp: not enough time i gather |
| 21:06.19 | asg | sparr: ah, you can reconfigure debconf to not uses curses and use a text question dialog |
| 21:06.48 | sparr | asg: it fails gracefully |
| 21:07.14 | sparr | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 21:07.14 | sparr | debconf: (Dialog frontend requires a screen at least 13 lines tall and 31 columns wide.) |
| 21:07.14 | sparr | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
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| 21:07.29 | sparr | funny thing is, it didnt need to use the frontend at all... |
| 21:08.32 | abrotman | try a different priority |
| 21:10.21 | Maximilianoadl | anybody ever install debian in a machine as old as mine?? |
| 21:11.10 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: I've do it on a 28mhz 030 before.. |
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| 21:11.21 | Alakazamz0r | How can i get images to show up on PHP Pages?" |
| 21:11.28 | bkw_ | hm, in what package do I find the simple command 'mail' ? |
| 21:11.31 | outlaw84 | Maximilianoadl: I have installade debian on a 166Mhz with 48Mb RAM :) |
| 21:11.33 | bkw_ | there's no such package |
| 21:11.36 | moshii | Alakazamz0r: you embed then in you html like normal |
| 21:11.49 | outlaw84 | took 6 sek to render a php-page on it :) |
| 21:12.45 | Maximilianoadl | im not try to " show" myself but geting some help doing it.......my boss buy for himself a sony vaio and geve me the old performa and i hate mac os 7.5.3 |
| 21:12.53 | moshii | I think there's much better solution than linux for old machines though :P |
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| 21:13.25 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: if it has an mmu you can run debian or netbsd on it |
| 21:13.47 | Maximilianoadl | i dont know nothing... only linux an windows... (it is my first time in mac os and dont like it) |
| 21:14.28 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: anything below mac os x is a co-op multitasking kludge of jam and cheese |
| 21:14.30 | Maximilianoadl | the performa has a PowerPc 603 prossesor 48 mb ram and 1.2 gb hd |
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| 21:14.38 | Maximilianoadl | 160 mhz PowerPC |
| 21:14.49 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: that's fine!!!! |
| 21:15.18 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: you might want to find some more ram at some point, but you could have a nice debian-ppc machine |
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| 21:15.35 | Maximilianoadl | but it dont boot from cd |
| 21:15.42 | Maximilianoadl | i must generate de floppys |
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| 21:15.49 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: what devices has it got? |
| 21:15.55 | Maximilianoadl | because the driver license or something like that |
| 21:16.05 | quintin | is there a program I can use to remove 10 seconds on a dvd without having to remaster everything? |
| 21:16.10 | Maximilianoadl | scsi cd drive |
| 21:16.13 | Maximilianoadl | ide ata hd |
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| 21:16.18 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: there's other options like netbooting, serial booting.. doing a hostile take over from macos |
| 21:16.25 | sixax | Hi I have some problems with one of my debian boxes. Whenever I connect using ssh I random get disconnected out of knowhwere. I'm using putty to connect to that box. Every other box seems to keep alive fine. Any suggestions? |
| 21:16.43 | jotham | i'm not sure this is the right place to ask, i am running debian testing, i am trying to apt-get libapache2-svn (for apache2 obviously), apt/dpkg is telling me 'This module does not exist!' right after trying to 'enable dav as a dependency' - any ideas what is going on, i can't find any 'dav' modules for apache2 |
| 21:16.51 | jjazz | sixax: look into the ClientAliveInterval ServerAliveInterval KeepAlive |
| 21:17.01 | moshii | quintin: you will have to remaster it to have all the vobs and and meta data correct |
| 21:17.19 | jjazz | sixax: those are options in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf (I think) and in ~/.ssh |
| 21:17.19 | quintin | moshii: does that mean recompressing everything? |
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| 21:17.54 | moshii | quintin: no, you extract the vobs, process them with a video app of your choice and remaster the disc |
| 21:18.05 | jjazz | sixax: If that doesn't work, there's various tricks for keeping the connex alive, depending on what you're doing over that link |
| 21:18.17 | moshii | quintin: if you just want to take outtrailers or something try pgc edit |
| 21:18.41 | sixax | keepalive is yes all the others aren't in the sshd_config |
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| 21:18.59 | Maximilianoadl | moshii. i been reading a lot in the es.debian.org site... and i found the 6360 (mine) is the only model of performa family can run linux... i download the bussines card cd image... i check md5 sums and the iso is all right.. i burn the cd... but i dont know how to make the floppys (and my english is very bad also) |
| 21:20.09 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: hmm I feel your pain, I live in campo de gibraltar area and speak nada spanish haha.. just a second I'll see if I can find the guide for you |
| 21:20.12 | Strogg | This is weird.. maybe someone can help me. I've got two etch boxes with the same apt sources, but one of them has the package usbmount, but the other one doesn't. Anyone know why? |
| 21:20.17 | lunaphyte_ | why the f does libapache2-mod-php5 insist it needs apache2-mpm-prefork? what is wrong with apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 21:20.45 | Maximilianoadl | moshii muchas gracias |
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| 21:21.45 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-hardware-req.es.html -- does that help? The Spanish install instructions for ppc |
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| 21:23.07 | blastura | anyone know a good guide of how to build a wireless router from an old computer and debian |
| 21:23.16 | Maximilianoadl | i will read it and come back.. many many thanks... im livin 10.000 kilometers from hibraltar... in argentina |
| 21:23.43 | Ramattack | hi everybody hi everybody |
| 21:23.45 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: wait a moment those are for woody |
| 21:23.50 | Ramattack | I'm using mysql-server debian package |
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| 21:23.55 | Maximilianoadl | moshii are you british_? |
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| 21:24.09 | Ramattack | and sometimes not always authenticated my mail users... get some aborted_clients |
| 21:24.19 | Ramattack | nor I have 5769 questions and 78 aborted clients |
| 21:24.21 | Ramattack | is this normal? |
| 21:24.38 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: Yes, getabuse for being a giri all the time |
| 21:24.53 | Strogg | Damn. usbmount is only in stable. Hrmm. Does anyone know the replacement for usbmount? |
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| 21:26.04 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s03.html.es#id2520602 -- how to write the disk images from macos in spanish :) |
| 21:27.09 | pickcoder | Strogg: usbmgr |
| 21:27.19 | Maximilianoadl | moshii... one more thing... the mac.. is not connecting the net now... it has 7.5.3 macos and no browser at all... im using a Sempron 2.8 PC now.. i must create the disk from a pc |
| 21:27.24 | pickcoder | !usbmgr |
| 21:27.28 | Strogg | pickcoder: hrmm thanks |
| 21:27.40 | Maximilianoadl | is it possible? |
| 21:27.44 | Strogg | oddly enough, usbmount seems to be in stable and unstable.. just not testing. |
| 21:27.48 | mirak | moshii: do you have a mirror for powerpc ? |
| 21:27.52 | pickcoder | !usbmgr etch |
| 21:27.57 | mirak | moshii: I am looking for one to debootstrap |
| 21:27.59 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:28.00 | mirak | from |
| 21:28.17 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: I think you can use rawwrite in windows to do the disks :) |
| 21:28.38 | Strogg | pickcoder: apt-cache show seems to imply that the package is deprecated.. is there anything else? |
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| 21:28.57 | moshii | mirak: no I haven't used PPC since my amiga pooped it's blizzardvision |
| 21:28.59 | Maximilianoadl | moshii.. ah ok... thanks... a lot... and i will came back here in near future |
| 21:29.19 | bkw_ | hm, is it possible to show orginal sent message with source in mutt? |
| 21:29.32 | moshii | Maximilianoadl: the manual is very good and in spanish ;) |
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| 21:31.34 | bkw_ | aha 'h' for headers |
| 21:31.34 | Maximilianoadl | moshii many many thanks.... i been trying to get help in other irc channels before but when they know im latin american the start to insult me and no more helping |
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| 21:31.35 | pickcoder | Strogg: hotplug? |
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| 21:31.37 | pickcoder | udev |
| 21:31.37 | Maximilianoadl | moshii im not a good english speaker |
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| 21:31.45 | Maximilianoadl | moshii as you already knows |
| 21:32.33 | pickcoder | udev is more robust IMO |
| 21:33.21 | Strogg | pickcoder: erm.. usbmount is a package that automatically mounts usb drives for you |
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| 21:33.35 | pickcoder | udev can too |
| 21:33.35 | Strogg | pickcoder: but it's ok.. I found out from someone else that it doesn't build under testing yet. |
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| 21:33.39 | pickcoder | if you setup a script to do it |
| 21:33.40 | mirak | hi |
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| 21:33.58 | mirak | sid is unstable right ? or is it testing now ? |
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| 21:34.14 | pickcoder | you can match the USB device ID and always mount it under a specific directory |
| 21:34.35 | Ebbs | Hi! How im able to test whether my 3d acceleration is activated in debian/etch with ati X1600? |
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| 21:35.57 | Ebbs | any idea? |
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| 21:36.13 | sid | mirak: no, sid will always be unstable. and sid will never be released. |
| 21:36.14 | metafor | Ebbs: glxgears |
| 21:36.21 | mirak | ok |
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| 21:36.31 | sid | mirak: The new testing name(etch+1) after etch releases, will be "lenny" |
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| 21:37.09 | Ebbs | metafor, is glxgears a project? |
| 21:37.24 | sid | jetscreamer: you about? |
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| 21:37.34 | Ono | how can i fix broken packages? |
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| 21:37.50 | spyro_boy | hi |
| 21:37.56 | spyro_boy | I seem to be missing libSDL-1.2 |
| 21:38.05 | spyro_boy | but there also seems to be alot of SDL packages |
| 21:38.15 | spyro_boy | I'm not too sure which one to install |
| 21:38.18 | spyro_boy | Any ideas? |
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| 21:40.17 | sid | spyro_boy: Are you compiling something from source? |
| 21:40.20 | snowbird | reinstalled sarge three times cant get gui |
| 21:40.49 | hark | reinstalling shouldn |
| 21:40.50 | sid | snowbird: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x-window-system-core gnome gdm |
| 21:41.14 | spyro_boy | sid, I installed quake3 demo and it seems to need SDL |
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| 21:41.40 | quintin | xfree86? |
| 21:41.42 | quintin | barf |
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| 21:41.44 | spyro_boy | hmm |
| 21:41.46 | spyro_boy | wait |
| 21:41.51 | spyro_boy | I think I found it on the debian cd |
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| 21:42.16 | Ebbs | metafor, thx for the info |
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| 21:42.54 | metafor | Ebbs: np |
| 21:43.09 | outlaw84 | mdadm claims that /dev/sda6 is use on my system but it is not according to mount |
| 21:43.33 | outlaw84 | any other tool I can use to check this? |
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| 21:43.49 | snowbird | thanks |
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| 21:48.15 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:48.19 | Mazingaro | what happened? |
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| 21:53.56 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:53.58 | Mazingaro | what happened? |
| 21:55.21 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 21:55.21 | dpkg | i guess netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 21:55.39 | mirak | hi |
| 21:55.49 | mirak | does the procedure to create a deboostrap system has changed ? |
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| 21:56.37 | Supaplex | pity |
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| 21:56.45 | Supaplex | !tell caskey -about away |
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| 21:58.45 | concept10 | Anyone know how to switch between servers in bitchx |
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| 21:59.35 | ApEtc | concept10: /server ? |
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| 22:00.03 | concept10 | ApEtc: for example if I have two servers open |
| 22:00.21 | snowbird | hey so for etch get apt get core? |
| 22:00.45 | n3kl | How do I set the time using ntp. ntpw -c peer localhost lists my internal ntp server, but how do I set the time using that server. I have ntp configured on all machines and the ports open. |
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| 22:01.06 | n3kl | s/ntpw/ntpq/ |
| 22:01.25 | mango | I have just install alsa on my ibm laptop running on etch. but my card still not working, could any one help please. The paste bin is : http://pastebin.ca/311400. Thanks |
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| 22:02.22 | amphi | mango: thinkwiki.org may be of use - what stinkpad is it? |
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| 22:02.55 | mango | amphiL what is stinkpad? |
| 22:03.20 | amphi | mango: ibm thinkpad |
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| 22:04.13 | snowbird | any one runmac with debian |
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| 22:04.27 | mango | amphi: x31 |
| 22:04.33 | blondie | snowbird: what? |
| 22:04.41 | stoned | xming is the shit |
| 22:04.45 | snowbird | run debian on mac |
| 22:05.37 | amphi | mango: uhuh - t42 here; look at thinkwiki.org or linuxlaptop.net/tuxmobil.org |
| 22:06.28 | amphi | mango: alsaconf doesn't do it? |
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| 22:06.56 | mango | amphi: have not tried. I am just a newbie |
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| 22:07.07 | mango | amphi: I will install it and see |
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| 22:08.11 | matth | hi folks |
| 22:08.41 | matth | does a kernel version mismatch during a netboot (when extra modules needed) does speaks to you ppl ? |
| 22:08.55 | matth | nebooting a sid |
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| 22:09.04 | sid | hmm, when I reboot gdm starts, but if I do /etc/init.d/gdm restart; it won't come back. |
| 22:09.06 | matth | netinstallng should I say |
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| 22:11.15 | blondie | matth: that question made very little sense |
| 22:11.23 | ikslaw0k | what's the best way to have a wireless connection come up at boot... is there anyway I can do it from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:11.26 | psychonate | why does anyone consider this funny: http://bash.org/?716363 ? |
| 22:11.46 | matth | blondie: I made it short |
| 22:11.55 | psychonate | besides being stupid, I don't think Spartacus was a trojan anyway |
| 22:11.56 | blondie | psychonate: why does anyone consider bash.org funny? :P |
| 22:12.06 | blondie | matth: huh? |
| 22:12.14 | psychonate | blondie, it's occasionally decent |
| 22:12.28 | matth | blondie: some more details then, I'm netinstalling via PXE, everything is fine, then choosing local mirror in d-i |
| 22:12.28 | psychonate | but that one actually has a good rating, which I cannot understand |
| 22:12.41 | mango | amphi: funny , I can not find alsa-config on repository on etch |
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| 22:12.45 | matth | blondie: after that d-i tries to load some modules and fail telling the kernel version does not match |
| 22:12.53 | shogunx | ikslaw0k as long as you have the wireless variable declared in interfaces... wireless_mode managed wireless_essid yourssid etc. |
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| 22:13.24 | matth | blondie: I checked d-i kernel version is 2.6.17-2 the sid mirror has got stuff for 2.6.18-3 |
| 22:13.31 | matth | blondie: any idea what I'm missing ? |
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| 22:13.49 | blondie | I have no idea what debian-installer is |
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| 22:13.59 | amphi | mango: it's in alsautils IIRC, and is called alsaconf |
| 22:14.00 | ikslaw0k | shogunx: not sure what you mean... I understand what you mean but not sure of the format. |
| 22:14.01 | blondie | but 2.6.18 is the kernel in unstable and testing |
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| 22:15.00 | mango | amphi: thanks |
| 22:15.06 | amphi | mango: alsa-utils rather |
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| 22:16.28 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, you must set values for these variables, for example, to set the essid you would add a line with the following to /etc/network/interfaces: wireless_essid youressid |
| 22:16.44 | mirak | there is no more base-config in debian ? |
| 22:16.49 | mirak | for debootstrap |
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| 22:17.03 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, right then add auto <my interface> after I define everything? |
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| 22:17.10 | shogunx | same for wireless_key, wireless_channel, wireless_mode |
| 22:17.36 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, i prefer the auto statement first auto wlan0 for example, but yes |
| 22:17.47 | mango | /joinn #alsa-utils |
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| 22:18.20 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, alrighty thanks... now if you could just make my wireless connection more reliable.. you'd be king in my book.. :) |
| 22:18.39 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, lower the data rate to 2mbs |
| 22:18.42 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, I should be able to get away with just defining the essid and mode right? |
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| 22:19.18 | n3kl | I have ntpd running on a server. How do I make the clients sync the time? |
| 22:19.29 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, correct. channels will generally scan, and the mode is not strictly necessary unless you are using hostap. |
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| 22:19.38 | kakalto | if I install debian from a daily image, I guess I'd be recommended NOT to do this if it were to be my day-to-day OS? But will it _really_ matter, when I can just upgrade to etch stable when it's released? |
| 22:19.52 | kakalto | since everything is pretty much frozen anyway? |
| 22:19.53 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, alright let me redefine... it isn't the connection between me and the accesspoint.. it's from the accesspoint to my default gateway and then everything goes through a satellite from there.. |
| 22:19.53 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, so... isn't much you can do about that. |
| 22:19.55 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, thats wireless_rate, btw, to lower the rate, and increase the reliability of the link. |
| 22:20.26 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, what is between your access point and gateway? |
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| 22:21.24 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, terrestrial link, wireless link? |
| 22:22.12 | abrotman | terrestrial ? |
| 22:22.18 | abrotman | what's wrong with wired or wireless ? |
| 22:22.22 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, if its the vsat that is the problem, then perhaps you should check the orientation of your antenna. |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | satellite?! |
| 22:22.40 | infernix | starting openoffice returns with '/usr/bin/soffice: line 254: 17260 Floating point exception"$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"' on debian etch. I looked in the BTS at bug 367641 but doing as instructed (e.g. dpkg --purge *openoffice* and then reinstall) did not help. |
| 22:22.54 | abrotman | do it again! |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | or ask #debian-oo on OFTC |
| 22:23.09 | infernix | okido |
| 22:23.11 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, let's see.. I'm wireless between me and the accesspoint.. and then that accesspoint ties into some other wireless thing.. which goes to some other wireless thing.. which then eventually goes through a big 'ol satellite dish.. |
| 22:23.15 | ikslaw0k | I can get pretty decent speeds.. ti's just latency is whooping my ass. |
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| 22:23.19 | ikslaw0k | I go thru 2 wireless links.. then terrestrial.. |
| 22:23.21 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, that's not on me.. that's on my isp. |
| 22:23.36 | shogunx | abrotman... yeah. satellite up the line. |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | don't talk to me like that! |
| 22:24.03 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, so you have multiple wireless hops between you and a ground station? |
| 22:24.07 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, the worst thing is.. I can't even do an apt-get update cause it keeps timing out... :P |
| 22:24.14 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, yeaup.. |
| 22:24.29 | sixax | hi I have a VLAN question: would two interfaces with different VLAN tags on the same network see each other? |
| 22:24.32 | shogunx | hmm. NOT abrotman... yeah. satellite up the line. |
| 22:24.33 | mirak | hem discover doesn't exsit anymore right ? |
| 22:25.22 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, where are you, the outback? sounds like some of the problems we face in a few projects in africa I am working on. |
| 22:25.43 | kakalto | anyone know? |
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| 22:25.57 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, I'm in baghdad... well.. baghdad area. |
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| 22:26.46 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, maybe you know some /proc tweeks to at least get me thru updating my apt-cache? |
| 22:26.50 | pluesch0r | evening. i intend to install etch on a system with dualcore xeon CPU. what flavour should i install? i386 or amd64? |
| 22:27.05 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, sounds like you've got a saturated network maybe. |
| 22:27.35 | mango | amphi: I install alsa-utils, and added myself to audio group, but I still get an error when I paly audacity for example |
| 22:27.56 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, no, but i know some protocols that might help out: http://dtnrg.org |
| 22:28.10 | pluesch0r | anyone? |
| 22:28.15 | amphi | mango: does modprobe snd_pcm_oss help? |
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| 22:29.34 | RvGaTe | what is the gpg key for backports.org? im unable to do a apt-update... and how do i add this key? |
| 22:29.49 | shogunx | ikslaw0k, the bundle protocol is a store and forward mechanism, like email works kind of, but for tcp. |
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| 22:29.57 | mkns | pluesch0r: is it an intel chip or an AMD chip? |
| 22:30.03 | kakalto | pluesch0r: I was under the impression that Xeon's are meant to be run with arch EMT64, but I don't believe debian has such an arch, so I couldn't tell, sorry |
| 22:30.16 | kakalto | Xeon is intel, right? |
| 22:30.26 | Coke | What happens if procmail can't process the mail, does exim4 save it anyway? |
| 22:30.26 | pluesch0r | kakalto: xeon is intel. |
| 22:30.31 | mkns | yes, i thought so, but thought it best to check |
| 22:30.31 | pluesch0r | and there's mo EMT64 arch. |
| 22:30.36 | pluesch0r | s/mo/no/ |
| 22:30.41 | mkns | i386 then, i reckon...? |
| 22:30.49 | pluesch0r | but afaik, those xeons are able to emulate the amd64 stuff. |
| 22:31.10 | pluesch0r | thus, i was wondering if running the amd64 flavour would deliver any performance increases over i386. |
| 22:31.10 | mkns | for 64-bit processing, you mean? |
| 22:31.16 | pluesch0r | exactly. |
| 22:31.27 | mkns | but if it isn't a 64-bit chip, i don't see how? |
| 22:31.32 | pluesch0r | it is. |
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| 22:31.39 | pluesch0r | it's EMT64. |
| 22:31.42 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, that too.. I have to work at weird hours to get anything done.. |
| 22:31.44 | ikslaw0k | shogunx, I went thru all the trouble of installing linux so I could get thru this online course.. and I can't even update.. :) |
| 22:31.46 | kakalto | Xeon is the intel equivalent of amd64 |
| 22:31.49 | kakalto | afaik |
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| 22:32.24 | mkns | um... i'm not so sure it is, tbh |
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| 22:32.34 | pluesch0r | gah, i just hate those format wars. |
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| 22:32.39 | mango | amphi: the command did not give any error. I could I make sure that it is working. I tried again with audacity, and playing some music but still the same error |
| 22:32.40 | kakalto | mkns: wikipedia is your friend ;-) |
| 22:33.05 | mkns | i know, and it doesn't say it's 64bit |
| 22:33.17 | mkns | it has a 64bit version, but xeon doesn't mean 64bit |
| 22:33.35 | kakalto | Xeon & Xeon MP (64-bit) |
| 22:34.05 | mkns | yes, there is a version that is 64 bit |
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| 22:34.17 | kakalto | ah |
| 22:34.31 | kakalto | so most versions are simply multi-core, not 64bit by default |
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| 22:34.56 | mkns | well, xeon has been around for about 10 years... so they are clearly not all 64 bit |
| 22:35.05 | kakalto | true |
| 22:35.17 | mkns | 10 years? maybe i'm stretching it, but it must be close |
| 22:35.23 | kakalto | 7 |
| 22:35.41 | kakalto | well, the old logo has been around since 2001 |
| 22:35.43 | kakalto | so 6 |
| 22:35.44 | shogunx | ikslaw0k have you tried a different mirror? |
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| 22:36.16 | Joshua__ | hey geo-rge |
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| 22:36.46 | mkns | pluesch0r: i think you'll need to provide more info on the processor to get an answer |
| 22:37.14 | kakalto | pluesch0r: well, if can obtain, and be _sure_ that it's 64bit, then amd64 sounds like the way to go, but if you're at all uncertain, i386 |
| 22:37.43 | amphi | mango: did you log out and in after adding yourself to the audio group? |
| 22:38.10 | karsten | kakalto: Xeon != IA64 |
| 22:38.13 | geo-rge | Joshua__: hi |
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| 22:38.44 | mango | amphi: ok , I am gonna do it now |
| 22:38.46 | karsten | kakalto: They're server-class CPUs, probably defined by cache. |
| 22:38.49 | kakalto | karsten: hence, if he's sure it's a 64bit Xeon, then amd64 |
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| 22:39.34 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 22:39.53 | geo-rge | snowbird |
| 22:39.58 | karsten | kakalto: Mostly. |
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| 22:40.10 | snowbird | THAT BOX CRASED |
| 22:40.27 | karsten | kakalto: Per Wikipedia, largely verifying my understanding: The Xeon is Intel's brand name for its server-class PC microprocessors intended for multiple-processor machines. |
| 22:40.34 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon |
| 22:40.36 | geo-rge | hardware problems? |
| 22:40.38 | kakalto | karsten: indeed |
| 22:40.55 | pickcoder | I'm running a dual-core Xeon and you have to run amd64 to get both cores |
| 22:41.01 | kakalto | aye? |
| 22:41.05 | pickcoder | the 686 kernel will not recognize both cores |
| 22:41.09 | kakalto | pickcoder: that doesn't sound right ^o) |
| 22:41.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: no you don't |
| 22:41.20 | kakalto | should need -smp, afaik |
| 22:41.20 | abrotman | that's not true at all |
| 22:41.21 | pickcoder | I tried both releases of Etch |
| 22:41.25 | pickcoder | yes.. it is true |
| 22:41.30 | pickcoder | or I would not be running AMD64 |
| 22:41.31 | abrotman | etch hasn't been released |
| 22:41.33 | pickcoder | beleive me |
| 22:41.38 | mkns | pickcoder - is that therefore viewed in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 22:42.06 | pickcoder | abrotman: Xeon != core2 |
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| 22:42.15 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's the same damn thing |
| 22:42.17 | karsten | pickcoder: cross-verify /proc/cpuinfo with dmidecode. SHould see same core cdount in both if your kernel's picking up everything. |
| 22:42.21 | pickcoder | I tried the 32-bit version of Etch first |
| 22:42.35 | pickcoder | the smp kernel showed only a single core |
| 22:42.36 | karsten | kakalto: With fat pipes. |
| 22:42.41 | kakalto | lol |
| 22:42.53 | pickcoder | it has "siblings" |
| 22:42.58 | pickcoder | under amd64 |
| 22:43.07 | pickcoder | same cpu ID |
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| 22:43.41 | sioc | hello, i search help for making a kernel 2.6.19-1 seeing 4 GB RAM, what settings should be enable ? |
| 22:43.51 | pickcoder | if that's true, then the motherboard I'm running is misreporting the CPUs |
| 22:43.57 | pickcoder | and it's a new Intel board |
| 22:44.05 | pickcoder | which isn't impossible |
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| 22:44.40 | pickcoder | most of the threads I've read about 2.6.17+ state that only the em64t kernel will recogize the cores properly |
| 22:44.44 | karsten | pickcoder: The dmidecode value is authoritative (or should be if the MFR has encoded the data correctly). The /proc/cpuinfo value is what Linux is seeing. |
| 22:44.55 | pickcoder | I tried 686 anyway |
| 22:45.07 | snowbird | when wil etch be stable? |
| 22:45.16 | karsten | snowbird: When it is. |
| 22:45.20 | mango | amphi: I am back but the sound is not:). ,is there any other think that should done or checked |
| 22:45.21 | karsten | !tell snowbird about wir |
| 22:45.22 | pickcoder | let me paste the cpuinfo |
| 22:45.24 | sioc | pickcoder: i run a 2.6.19-1 on an ASUS P5B without that trouble |
| 22:45.31 | karsten | !tell pickcoder about paste |
| 22:45.31 | snowbird | like soon? |
| 22:45.41 | pickcoder | karsten: I know all about pate |
| 22:45.42 | pickcoder | paste |
| 22:45.48 | karsten | snowbird: Read the f*cking factoid. |
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| 22:45.57 | kakalto | snowbird: soon? how soon? soon as in beer, or soon as in free speech? |
| 22:45.57 | snowbird | lol |
| 22:46.06 | karsten | snowbird: That's considered a really annoying question around here. |
| 22:46.13 | snowbird | kk |
| 22:46.18 | pickcoder | never mind.. it says core ID 0 and core ID 1 |
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| 22:46.27 | geo-rge | soon beer versus soon speech |
| 22:46.38 | snowbird | hey geo |
| 22:46.42 | pickcoder | regardless, I tried the smp kernel |
| 22:46.44 | snowbird | rum better |
| 22:46.56 | sioc | Please help: i search help for making a kernel 2.6.19-1 seeing 4 GB RAM, what settings should be enable ? |
| 22:47.04 | kakalto | well, beer seems to look a lot sooner than free speech, considering the way free speech seems to be degrading... |
| 22:47.21 | abrotman | pickcoder: so it does or doesn't work ? |
| 22:47.22 | geo-rge | sioc: it's in there somewhere... checked the basic setup? |
| 22:47.48 | sioc | geo-rge: 7th compiltion without success that's why i'm here |
| 22:47.53 | pickcoder | abrotman: I could not get an smp kernel to recogize both cores on this 5130 |
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| 22:48.02 | abrotman | pickcoder: send it to me |
| 22:48.17 | pickcoder | it's currently running out web site |
| 22:48.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:48.22 | geo-rge | sioc: what happens when you use one of the binaries in the debian archive? |
| 22:48.23 | pickcoder | s/out/our |
| 22:49.02 | valdyn | sioc: why don't you use a debian kernel? |
| 22:49.08 | sioc | geo-rge: debian's 2.6.18-3-bigmem doesn't see all my SATA HD |
| 22:49.17 | wireddd_ | I made an init.d script that I want to be loaded last, what options am I supposed to pass to update-rc.d in order for it to set it up properly? |
| 22:49.31 | geo-rge | sioc: what controller? |
| 22:49.41 | geo-rge | how is your / mounted? |
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| 22:50.10 | pickcoder | abrotman: it's really pointless now.. I can't go back and verify it |
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| 22:50.26 | sioc | geo-rge: Marvel SATA and JMICRON PTA |
| 22:50.28 | pickcoder | I know I tried about 4 different kernels before giving up |
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| 22:50.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: i have a P-D i can test tomorrow .. but it's not xeon obviously |
| 22:50.50 | geo-rge | sioc: so, your / is on what kind of drive? |
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| 22:50.58 | pickcoder | xeon != core2 |
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| 22:51.32 | sioc | geo-rge: SATA, and the only i found to boot was to go thru a dd image launch thru win boot.ini ... |
| 22:52.04 | valdyn | sioc: Processor Type and Features -> High Memory Support -> 4GB |
| 22:52.09 | geo-rge | how do you boot an image thru boot.ini?? |
| 22:52.22 | sioc | valdyn: tried without success only 2 GB seen |
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| 22:52.58 | sioc | valdyn: i even tried an append mem=4 GB |
| 22:52.59 | valdyn | sioc: where do you notice that only 2GB are seen? |
| 22:53.07 | sioc | valdyn: free -m |
| 22:53.12 | sioc | valdyn: or top |
| 22:53.15 | zenwryly | I want to take an image and resize it from 600dpi to 300dpi. Anyone know how I might do that? |
| 22:53.30 | sioc | zenwryly: gimp |
| 22:53.31 | valdyn | sioc: ok, and how are you seeing that you really have 4GB and not just 2GB? |
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| 22:53.46 | sioc | valdyn: good question |
| 22:54.09 | sioc | valdyn: how can check ? |
| 22:54.20 | geo-rge | did you install 4g yourself? |
| 22:54.23 | valdyn | sioc: bios counts your memory when booting |
| 22:54.33 | jjazz | zenwryly: imagemagick |
| 22:54.36 | sioc | valdyn: bios see 4 GB |
| 22:55.07 | sioc | valdyn: even my netconsole report so |
| 22:55.11 | valdyn | sioc: why don't you use debian/amd64 ? |
| 22:55.21 | sioc | valdyn: nope 32 bits |
| 22:55.38 | mirak | I get a kernel crash at boot with a 8250_pci serial pci card on powerpc |
| 22:55.40 | valdyn | sioc: sure, but why don't you use debian/amd64? |
| 22:55.41 | sioc | valdyn: i dunno how to and with these damn controler... |
| 22:55.54 | sioc | valdyn: if it can see my hds |
| 22:55.59 | zenwryly | sioc: and how would you do that in gimp? I want to resize it from 600dpi to 300dpi but still keep the same "dimensions" |
| 22:56.10 | sioc | zenwryly: exactly |
| 22:56.13 | pickcoder | sioc: some of the JMicron drivers are still buggy |
| 22:56.15 | valdyn | sioc: seeing your hds shouldnt be any different , using all your ram is less problematic |
| 22:56.20 | zenwryly | jjazz: Been trying to puzzle through imagemagick. Don't suppose you could help me assemble a command? |
| 22:56.34 | sioc | valdyn: i think hte same |
| 22:56.35 | geo-rge | sioc: are you sure the .19 sees your drives? |
| 22:56.57 | RvGaTe | How can i remove a package from the apt-get's database? |
| 22:57.02 | sioc | geo-rge: the 19-1 is ok, i even got a raid5 thru mdam |
| 22:57.07 | zenwryly | sioc: changing the dpi in gimp doesn't seem to scale the image at all, just changes the "size" (as in physical) of the image |
| 22:57.11 | valdyn | sioc: look at /proc/cpuinfo, if one of the flags is 'lm' you should be able to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:57.15 | mylogic | So I ran the degfault debian installation and all is fine. Now I am at the point where I want to compile my own kernel, but I really just want to modify the current one (to ensure I keep everything working, just trying to add features). Is this possible? or do I just have to start from scratch? |
| 22:57.23 | RvGaTe | wait, nvm |
| 22:57.36 | geo-rge | are your satas in a software raid5? |
| 22:57.42 | valdyn | mylogic: add what features? |
| 22:57.50 | valdyn | mylogic: what's wrong with the plain debian kernel? |
| 22:57.51 | h3sp4wn | mylogic: copy /boot/config-`uname -r` as a starting point |
| 22:58.03 | sioc | valdyn: i got the 'lm' |
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| 22:58.36 | sioc | valdyn: i can switch like that or i need to dboostrap ? |
| 22:58.46 | mylogic | valdyn: well to be honest, I really just want to add cpu scaling (working on a laptop) and I don't think I have the modules required for it compiled into the current kernel |
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| 22:58.54 | jjazz | zenwryly: I haven't used imagemagick in a couple years, but IIRC, the man pages were adequate for simple tasks like this. |
| 22:58.57 | valdyn | mylogic: you have that |
| 22:59.46 | valdyn | mylogic: debian kernels have about everything remotely reasonable enabled |
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| 22:59.46 | mylogic | valdyn: oh joy, could you tell me the best appy to control it -- I know it can be modified via command line, but I would rather use an app to control it |
| 22:59.47 | zenwryly | jjazz: Ok, I'm just not getting it then. THnaks |
| 22:59.47 | mazzanet | apt upgade failed :( |
| 22:59.50 | jjazz | zenwryly: You want the convert program |
| 23:00.06 | raf256 | I have 5 button mouse |
| 23:00.16 | mazzanet | dpkg_1.13.25_i386 is borkedish |
| 23:00.29 | raf256 | 1. how to use the extra buttons 2. how scroll up doesnt work (but down do work) how to fix |
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| 23:00.48 | zenwryly | jjazz: thanks |
| 23:01.00 | valdyn | sioc: need to bootstrap a new system |
| 23:01.14 | sioc | raf256: search for xmodmap and xorg.conf stuff |
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| 23:01.45 | valdyn | mylogic: in which desktop environment? |
| 23:01.48 | jjazz | zenwryly: look at the --resample option |
| 23:01.58 | sioc | valdyn: and amd64 kernel know my controlers ? |
| 23:02.00 | kakalto | so, back to my original question, if I install debian from a daily image, I guess I'd be recommended NOT to do this if it were to be my day-to-day OS? But will it _really_ matter, when I can just upgrade to etch stable when it's released? (since everything is pretty much frozen anyway?) |
| 23:02.07 | mylogic | valdyn: gnome |
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| 23:02.36 | geo-rge | kakalto: depends on how bad it is that day |
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| 23:02.52 | geo-rge | and of course on what badness happens to you as a result |
| 23:02.57 | valdyn | mylogic: i only know the GUI i use myself, gnome and the cpufreq applet that is in gnome-applets |
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| 23:02.59 | kakalto | geo-rge: hehe, now you put it that way, it does rather influence the idea of just using the RC |
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| 23:03.16 | zenwryly | jjazz: is that what I'm talking about? :) Great, thanks for the help! |
| 23:03.24 | eps | where is the magical switch that allows packets to be routed through a debian box? I've fotgotten it |
| 23:03.27 | valdyn | mylogic: you will have to load the kernel interface manually iirc |
| 23:03.35 | jjazz | zenwryly: I don't know if that's what you're talking about, but I think it might be. Good luck. |
| 23:03.39 | valdyn | mylogic: and put that module into /etc/modules |
| 23:03.41 | geo-rge | eps: it's on the ceiling below you |
| 23:03.47 | kakalto | geo-rge: or would a weekly image maybe be okay? I'm feeling experimental right now ;-) |
| 23:04.14 | noobcook | whats the main difference between Lilo MBR and /dev/hda2 boot block? |
| 23:04.26 | geo-rge | well obviously do what you want... as long as you' |
| 23:04.32 | eps | bother! ...anyway iptables is setup correctly and all my routes as available in netstat = I've just forgotten where the option to allow packets to be routed through has run off too |
| 23:04.35 | mazzanet | hmm dpkg can't seem to stat /usr/share/man/hu/man5 |
| 23:04.36 | pickcoder | noobcook: physical location |
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| 23:04.50 | geo-rge | are feeling experimental, keep separate from machines you do your real work on |
| 23:04.51 | kakalto | geo-rge: as long as I'm aware of the possible results? |
| 23:04.52 | valdyn | mylogic: ask around which modules you need for your specific cpu, i don't remember |
| 23:05.01 | sioc | vivijim: i tried http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618-amd64.htm and it didn't see my HDs (only 3 on the 5) |
| 23:05.05 | sioc | oops |
| 23:05.15 | sioc | valdyn: i tried http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618-amd64.htm and it didn't see my HDs (only 3 on the 5) |
| 23:05.23 | mazzanet | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? man5 |
| 23:05.23 | noobcook | pickcoder its better to go for mbr on a machine with smaller hdd? |
| 23:05.23 | mazzanet | er |
| 23:05.28 | mazzanet | that's not a good thing yeah? |
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| 23:05.41 | geo-rge | kakalto: that is generally a very large task... you'd have LOTS of c code to read to be aware of everything |
| 23:05.59 | valdyn | sioc: that's a 2.6.18 kernel too, should have the same issues detecting your hd that you know already |
| 23:06.02 | pickcoder | noobcook: if you want your BIOS to boot Lilo or Grub from your primary boot device then it should be in the MBR |
| 23:06.06 | peteweez | Certain qt/kde apps freeze my X display, particularly kopete. In places where it'd normally freeze, it doesn't freeze if I switch to another display (Ctrl+Alt+F1) while the event's occuring. What's wrong? |
| 23:06.14 | noobcook | ok |
| 23:06.33 | sioc | valdyn: so i got to go thru the 2.6.19 anyway... |
| 23:06.41 | pickcoder | noobcook: keep in mind that you only have 1 MBR |
| 23:06.45 | geo-rge | peteweez: what event? |
| 23:06.52 | valdyn | sioc: that's how it seems yes |
| 23:06.54 | noobcook | mmm |
| 23:06.54 | pickcoder | noobcook: make sure you read up on dual-booting if you have another O/S installed |
| 23:07.08 | peteweez | geo-rge: usually it's interaction with the cursor, but it can be just the program starting up. |
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| 23:07.28 | peteweez | geo-rge: i.e. clicking on something in the program |
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| 23:07.51 | peteweez | geo-rge: Kopete is particularly bad about it. |
| 23:07.52 | mazzanet | mazzanet@Zeus:/usr/share/man/hu$ sudo rm -fr man5 |
| 23:07.52 | mazzanet | rm: cannot lstat `man5': Permission denied |
| 23:07.57 | mazzanet | hrmph. |
| 23:08.01 | sioc | valdyn: can you tell me how to compile it for 64 bits (core 2 duo) ? |
| 23:08.19 | geo-rge | what if you run something that is not linked against kde libs or gnome libs? |
| 23:08.23 | kakalto | geo-rge: I just figure, if it's been 2 months since the RC was released, surely there's been some decent development, and a newer iso might be better? |
| 23:08.39 | peteweez | geo-rge: gnome-libs stuff, gtk+, that's all fine...it's only kde or qt stuff |
| 23:08.46 | valdyn | sioc: i know nothing about cross compiling. You can however boot an amd64 system and compile a kernel there, knoppix or whatever |
| 23:08.49 | geo-rge | kakalto: what means "better" |
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| 23:09.07 | peteweez | geo-rge: It's only qt stuff, I think |
| 23:09.13 | kakalto | geo-rge: less upgrades once I install? less problems in general? not too sure, really |
| 23:09.38 | peteweez | kakalto: It'd just be a somewhat long initial upgrade, then it's no difference |
| 23:09.39 | geo-rge | peteweez: ahh, at least you seem to have localized the problem |
| 23:09.54 | peteweez | geo-rge: Oh I always knew it was libqt or libkde |
| 23:09.54 | kakalto | peteweez: true |
| 23:09.56 | valdyn | sioc: hmm, i dont know about amd64 livecds.. |
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| 23:10.08 | sioc | valdyn: ok, that put me in the waiting queue again nor ubuntu, knoppix or sarge backports see my controlers, so the only way is to wait 2.6.19 be in live cd |
| 23:10.17 | geo-rge | kakalto: as opposed to the time necessary to install? do you reinstall from scratch every time? |
| 23:10.20 | valdyn | sioc: http://www.applia.fr/contents/knoppix64.html |
| 23:10.32 | valdyn | sioc: i see |
| 23:10.45 | valdyn | sioc: you aren't trying to boot off a raid, are you? |
| 23:10.50 | pickcoder | sioc: do you have a complicated drive setup? |
| 23:10.53 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:10.55 | kakalto | geo-rge: generally, yeah... sadly I tend to have too much data and not enough free space to shuffle around my partitions to keep my home and stuff seperate |
| 23:11.01 | kakalto | geo-rge: oh, and I run gentoo atm |
| 23:11.03 | sioc | pickcoder: yeap i do |
| 23:11.09 | kakalto | AFAIK, there's no upgrade path ;-) |
| 23:11.13 | roue | hola |
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| 23:11.32 | valdyn | sioc: plug out your disk, plug it into a different computer, install debian, upgrade your kernel to one suitable for you, plug disk back |
| 23:11.34 | pickcoder | sioc: if you really want RAID I'd have to say get a 3ware card |
| 23:11.44 | pickcoder | I gave up on software raid and onboard junk |
| 23:11.47 | geo-rge | kakalto: but at least you can make your machine compile a lot :) |
| 23:11.50 | valdyn | sofware raid is nice |
| 23:11.53 | noobcook | does anyone know how i would find out what mouse i need to install for debian to work properly with my laptop |
| 23:11.54 | roue | is there a way to pause a cron job? I have something that's going to take hours to run and is bogging down the box. I'd like to pause if for an hour or so then let it resume? |
| 23:11.59 | valdyn | on a software raid is uh, ick |
| 23:12.05 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.15 | sioc | valdyn: PATA => win, sda1 => /boot /sda3 => / sd[bcde]1 RAID5 thru mdamd |
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| 23:12.20 | peteweez | geo-rge: I have slightly borked ICEauthority stuff (I had to chown it because kde apps would complain about no write access and then die), and also no DCOPserver...is that a problem? |
| 23:12.25 | RichiH | how do i make php5 the default choice and have php4 be used only when the file is called .php4? |
| 23:12.48 | kakalto | geo-rge: get the performance I paid for :) hehe.... sadly it has been a little lacking on the stability side of things, which is something I hope to correct |
| 23:12.58 | geo-rge | dunno... I do run kde atm, but I never gone under the hood |
| 23:13.21 | valdyn | sioc: there's many ways, like installing to and booting from an usb stick or usb disk or ... |
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| 23:13.48 | valdyn | sioc: done all that but walking you through it could be way tedious |
| 23:14.01 | bkw__ | is php5 the latest stable debian package for php support? |
| 23:14.03 | sioc | valdyn: i can imagine |
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| 23:14.17 | hipodilski | I experience strange problem with gnome with backspace when I try to delete few characters with backspace holding the backspace key Only one is deleted did somebody have experienced such problem? |
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| 23:14.45 | geo-rge | kakalto: it's always nice to check before paying for performance whether it's going to be accessable from all oses you're going to run :) |
| 23:15.10 | RichiH | bkw__: both php5 and php4 are available |
| 23:15.12 | sioc | valdyn: i think i will keep my running kernel and wait live64 with kernel 2.6.19 ... |
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| 23:15.20 | peteweez | geo-rge: also the problem tends to happen in Kopete when the cursor changes from a pointer to the pointing finger thingy, and in k9copy when I bring up the "select folder" dialog. |
| 23:15.21 | pickcoder | noobcook: any usb mouse should work |
| 23:15.31 | valdyn | sioc: sure, if 2G is ok for now |
| 23:15.31 | eisen | is it possible to install debian from within a running system, like in a chroot with the installer? |
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| 23:15.47 | dendrite | roue: That depends on the program running. You *may* be able to stop it by sending a SIGSTOP signal, and start it with a SIGCONT... |
| 23:15.54 | eisen | the netinstall layout does not look like it's easily done |
| 23:15.54 | valdyn | eisen: no, but with debootstrap |
| 23:16.02 | roue | dendrite it's a shell script. |
| 23:16.24 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 23:16.24 | sioc | pickcoder: for info my RAID5 thru mdamd is ok (up to 10% cpu usage on write) |
| 23:16.24 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 23:16.47 | valdyn | no need to compile it yourself i guess |
| 23:17.01 | biz | what was the name of the package with all the ISA bus tools? |
| 23:17.03 | pickcoder | sioc: run bonnie++ on it |
| 23:17.08 | pickcoder | double your available ram |
| 23:17.12 | geo-rge | peteweez: this is good... you're being more specific as we go... if you don't find much here, there are at least a coupla places to check... one is the debian bts, and the other is kde' |
| 23:17.16 | geo-rge | s bug tracker |
| 23:17.17 | pickcoder | to get a non-cache i/o test |
| 23:17.26 | gcbirzan | Hm, can somebody on Sarge give me the md5sum of /usr/sbin/add-shell? |
| 23:17.30 | eisen | thank you valdyn |
| 23:17.32 | peteweez | geo-rge: I can be even more specific if you like... |
| 23:17.34 | dendrite | roue: But don't expect it to behave completely gracefully, especially if it uses sockets or network connections... |
| 23:17.34 | eisen | exactly what I need |
| 23:17.35 | sioc | pickcoder: what is the package name ? |
| 23:17.40 | pickcoder | bonnie++ |
| 23:17.47 | sioc | pickcoder: thx i try now |
| 23:17.49 | bkw__ | uh? do I "have" to install apache2 to install php5 package? |
| 23:17.50 | dendrite | roue: A shell script ... I guess bash or sh would honor those signals. |
| 23:18.00 | bkw__ | what is this. I might want to run another httpd serve |
| 23:18.02 | Acu | I need help (badly) - I am trying to install Debian Etch (from daily yesterday)in Dell Optiplex GX240 and the X does not start - i have changed the video card - the same - I tried older daily no result |
| 23:18.05 | roue | dedendrite it's not -- just reading files. so kill -STOP pid and kill -CONT pid ? |
| 23:18.11 | valdyn | 10% cpu probably means its on a pci bus anyway -> slow slow |
| 23:18.12 | karmatronic | gcbirzan, 9a0528749dc475ed834ec92d9b92a959 |
| 23:18.17 | gcbirzan | karmatronic: Thanks! |
| 23:18.20 | dendrite | roue: kill -SIGSTOP <pid> |
| 23:18.23 | geo-rge | peteweez: to myself specifically, it won't do much good because I'm not familiar with kde much below what I see on the desktop |
| 23:18.33 | noobcook | what x server drive do i use if my video card is onboard? |
| 23:18.33 | roue | dendrite: okay thanks. I'll give it a shot. |
| 23:18.42 | noobcook | driver* |
| 23:18.43 | peteweez | geo-rge: right...I tell you anyway :-) |
| 23:18.47 | pickcoder | valdyn: possibly, but it's hitting multiple spindles on SATA |
| 23:19.06 | geo-rge | noobcook: the one that fits the chipset on your motherboard |
| 23:19.07 | pickcoder | even PATA should hit 30MB/sec from bonnie at double-ram tests |
| 23:19.13 | sioc | pickcoder: idea of parameters for a good test ? |
| 23:19.23 | valdyn | pickcoder: i have a raid like that, 60MB throughput on that raid, 60MB on single disk |
| 23:19.40 | bkw__ | why am I forced to install apache when I just want php5? |
| 23:19.42 | pickcoder | -s 4000M |
| 23:19.45 | pickcoder | for 4GB ram |
| 23:19.49 | pickcoder | double 2GB |
| 23:20.05 | lindenle|home | 1M=1024K |
| 23:20.11 | lindenle|home | 1G=1024M |
| 23:20.11 | sioc | pickcoder: i got only 2 GB found... that's why i came first |
| 23:20.14 | noobcook | geo-rge how do i find out what that is on my laptop? |
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| 23:20.29 | noobcook | damn i forget the console command |
| 23:20.31 | pickcoder | specify 4GB to exercise your file buffers |
| 23:20.38 | noobcook | is it cat /cpu/info |
| 23:20.41 | peteweez | geo-rge: When the problem occurs in Kopete, I can move the cursor around, but everything else is frozen. When it happens in other stuff, sometimes it happens like that, sometimes I can't move the cursor. If I'm playing a song in vlc or mplayer, the song continues to play even after freezing, not just a "broken record" thing...it plays like normal |
| 23:20.45 | jjazz | noobcook: lspci? |
| 23:20.49 | pickcoder | bbias |
| 23:20.56 | valdyn | bkw__: and how is your php5 supposed to run if not in apache? |
| 23:20.57 | karmatronic | noobcook, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:20.58 | kakalto | noobcook: that's the command to find out about your cpu |
| 23:21.01 | noobcook | ty very much jjaz |
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| 23:21.13 | bkw__ | valdyn: lighttpd? |
| 23:21.18 | kakalto | noobcook: except its /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:21.39 | noobcook | ah yeh =p i forgot the com |
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| 23:21.47 | noobcook | even though i used it yesterday |
| 23:21.51 | valdyn | bkw__: lighthttpd has a mod for php5? |
| 23:21.57 | valdyn | bkw__: if it does, its not in debian |
| 23:21.58 | Acu | What to do about: Failt do start Xserver ? - I install daily Etch from yesterday (and I tried one fffffrom two monthso ago) and I hot the same problem |
| 23:22.06 | noobcook | alright my graphics is vga compatable so i should install the VGA xserver driver? |
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| 23:22.56 | Thunderguy | I'm having python problems updating |
| 23:23.12 | Acu | noobcook: the card should be detected if you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (and you go through the process) |
| 23:23.45 | valdyn | bkw__: if i got this right, apt-get install lighthttpd php5-cgi |
| 23:24.00 | noobcook | doesn't detect i don't belive |
| 23:24.18 | Acu | noobcook: if you really do not know what card you have - the best is to download Knoppix and liveboot - at the very begining a colorfoul list will scrop - one it is your VGA card |
| 23:24.22 | bkw__ | valdyn: right |
| 23:24.36 | noobcook | alright |
| 23:24.53 | noobcook | sometimes its good though to swing swords in the dark with linux i think lol after 3 days of doing this crap |
| 23:25.39 | noobcook | that wasn't meant to sound raunchy |
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| 23:26.06 | Acu | noobcook: what do you mean I dont beleive - just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:26.35 | jjazz | Do any CC licenses comply with DFSG? |
| 23:26.56 | noobcook | i dont know the command acu =p |
| 23:27.24 | valdyn | noobcook: no, the VGA driver is the one with the fewest features of all, only if your system doesnt even support vesa graphics, its the right one |
| 23:27.30 | Acu | Hey guys - is any bug with Daily installer: X server |
| 23:27.46 | valdyn | Acu: yea |
| 23:28.12 | valdyn | Acu: check the bts, or i seem to recall that you need to 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all' |
| 23:28.30 | Acu | noobcook: you do not neeeeeed to know anything - it will be a "graphic interface" once you start the commant from a root terminal (or superuser) |
| 23:28.47 | Acu | valdyn: I did that (no avail) |
| 23:28.48 | geo-rge | Acu: checked bts? :) |
| 23:29.03 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 23:29.20 | valdyn | Acu: you should have to fix your /etc/X11/xorg.conf too, but i dont know what exactly |
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| 23:30.19 | noobcook | E Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable), E: unable to lock the administration directory |
| 23:30.26 | noobcook | this is because my install is running i think |
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| 23:30.58 | Acu | geo-rge: that is why after trying the yesterday daily, I tried an older daily (from 3 months ago which has 2.6.17 kernel) |
| 23:31.20 | valdyn | Acu: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:31.36 | BrianSteffens | hi all. i have a directory /shared/storage which is empty, owner brian:administrators.. in fstab //Server/storage is mounted to /shared/storage and when that happens, the owner of /shared/storage changes to root:root and even sudo chown on that says i am unable |
| 23:31.37 | pickcoder | noobcook: paste output from lspci |
| 23:31.41 | pickcoder | on a pastebin |
| 23:31.50 | noobcook | pickcoder sorry its on my laptop not this machine |
| 23:31.52 | geo-rge | are you looking for dailies that have specific kernels? |
| 23:32.02 | pickcoder | or look in it for a graphics adapter model/make |
| 23:32.11 | Acu | noobcook: close anyother configuration manager (Synaptic) otherwise you cannot doooooo dpkg in the samee tim (also you need to use root) |
| 23:32.40 | noobcook | 01:00.0 VGA compatiable controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49) |
| 23:32.42 | noobcook | alright |
| 23:32.53 | noobcook | with the apt get all would that work my mouse aswell? |
| 23:33.08 | sioc | BrianSteffens: in your fstab what mount options did you used ? |
| 23:33.32 | pickcoder | you can use the trident xorg server |
| 23:33.36 | Thunderguy | So what happens if I cannot update python so nothing else wants to update either? :( |
| 23:33.38 | pickcoder | xserver-xorg-video-trident |
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| 23:34.04 | BrianSteffens | sioc: credentials=/etc/samba/sambapass 0 0 |
| 23:34.08 | pickcoder | if you install all of the Xorg stuff, it will already be there.. when you configure X just select "trident" |
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| 23:34.23 | Acu | noobcook::::: if you are trying etch daily - it might be a bug - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will detect yyyyyour mouse too |
| 23:34.36 | sioc | BrianSteffens: sorry i can't help i don't know samba stuff |
| 23:34.44 | noobcook | pickcoder theres no point to installing a custom driver for my laptop vcard as its only 2.5megs lol and i wont use linux for anything graphical |
| 23:34.54 | BrianSteffens | sioc okee ty anyway |
| 23:34.59 | pickcoder | noobcook: if you want higher res, you want the trident |
| 23:35.04 | pickcoder | otherwise you'll get 640x480 |
| 23:35.15 | noobcook | ok |
| 23:35.22 | BrianSteffens | sioc: wait, i just saw my cdrom and floppy drive mounts include 'user' in the options. could this mean to mount as user instead of root? :) |
| 23:35.33 | noobcook | let me run it first see how i go |
| 23:35.40 | Acu | valdyn: I got Driver "kbd""mouse"apm" (now you havvve to tell me if that means that they arenot detected? |
| 23:35.44 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, yes |
| 23:35.51 | sioc | BrianSteffens: sure |
| 23:36.01 | valdyn | Acu: no i was actually looking for your gfx driver |
| 23:36.17 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, noauto,user,defaults |
| 23:36.33 | sioc | BrianSteffens: karmatronic is right |
| 23:36.56 | BrianSteffens | perfect! thank you :) |
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| 23:37.24 | Acu | valdyn: the only output from that grep was three lines each one having Driver followed by "kbd" "mouse" "apm" no gfx driver shows |
| 23:37.30 | valdyn | Acu: reading scrollback buffer... which gfx card is yours? |
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| 23:38.48 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: wait, now they aren't mounting at all :( |
| 23:39.16 | surfbuddy | i have debian Sarge and wanted to upgrade to the latest version, can anyone tell me how ? |
| 23:39.19 | sioc | BrianSteffens: remove the noauto |
| 23:39.35 | sioc | BrianSteffens: and try a mount -a |
| 23:39.40 | Acu | valdyn: I have tried ATI Rage (AGP), matrox milleniium (PCI) or S3 Virge PCI - they all have the same fate |
| 23:39.40 | karsten | Is there any way to dictate processor affinity of a job under Linux? |
| 23:39.53 | BrianSteffens | sioc: that got it, thank you both :) |
| 23:39.57 | noobcook | pickcoder when booting the screen just flashes a lot then goes into tty console any ideas? |
| 23:40.17 | RichiH | uh, am i correct in assuming that php5 does not work with apache2 on debian? |
| 23:40.19 | pickcoder | !tell surfbuddy about sarge->etch |
| 23:40.45 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: Etch is still in testing, but it's the next release to happen |
| 23:40.47 | valdyn | Acu: which one is built in right now? |
| 23:40.53 | BrianSteffens | sioc: wait, now it's back to root >_< |
| 23:41.11 | sioc | BrianSteffens: hold on |
| 23:41.11 | pickcoder | if you want incremental updates, just use apt-get update;apt-get uprgade |
| 23:41.37 | sioc | BrianSteffens: i'm always confused with user and users... hold on man is my buddy |
| 23:41.46 | valdyn | Acu: i cant find the bug report atm, so im going by scrollback buffer, 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati' for your ati card, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the Driver "apm" with Driver "ati" |
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| 23:42.49 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: make sure your kernel package doesn't get removed.. you may want to perform "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to simulate a dist-upgrade |
| 23:43.07 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, which one was before Sarge ? |
| 23:43.13 | pickcoder | Woody |
| 23:43.15 | karmatronic | pickcoder, cool option ! |
| 23:43.32 | noobcook | pickcoder whats the trident variable again? |
| 23:43.34 | pickcoder | karmatronic: yup.. wish I had used it last time I did a dist-upgrade |
| 23:43.37 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 23:43.46 | karmatronic | ;) |
| 23:43.50 | sioc | BrianSteffens: remove defaults too |
| 23:43.53 | pickcoder | noobcook: it should be in the dpkg configure screen when you select your card typ |
| 23:43.57 | sioc | BrianSteffens: rw,user |
| 23:44.05 | pickcoder | it's called trident |
| 23:44.24 | noobcook | is there a command line to install it |
| 23:44.37 | pickcoder | noobcook: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-trident |
| 23:44.55 | sioc | BrianSteffens: i have to go, i hope it's ok |
| 23:44.56 | karmatronic | dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-trident |
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| 23:45.13 | noobcook | lol |
| 23:45.15 | pickcoder | or dpkg --list |
| 23:45.33 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, kernel package doesnt get removed ?? |
| 23:45.53 | noobcook | no packages found matching xserver-xorg-video-trident |
| 23:45.56 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: I have experienced a botched system after a dist-upgrade using apt |
| 23:46.05 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: many users have also reported it happening |
| 23:46.14 | pickcoder | no response from apt team about it, yet |
| 23:46.23 | pickcoder | aptitude may work better |
| 23:46.26 | pickcoder | if you have it installed |
| 23:46.41 | me_here | it happens with aptitude too |
| 23:46.44 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:46.46 | me_here | just a little later |
| 23:47.07 | me_here | even with upgrade but more so with dist-upgrade |
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| 23:47.19 | Acu | valdyn: how do I display the whole xorg.conf fromprompt |
| 23:47.22 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: apt will tell you about packages it will remove, upgrade, and install |
| 23:47.22 | surfbuddy | a botched system...?? so this apt thing is going to touch the kernel files too ? |
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| 23:47.35 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: for some reason it doesn't hold the kernel and initrd packages back |
| 23:47.36 | surfbuddy | normally a seperate kernel directory is created while compiling the kernel |
| 23:47.39 | MajorPayne | How do I stop my laptop from going into sleep mode |
| 23:47.56 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: it removes them and doesn't put a new kernel and initramfs back for Etch |
| 23:48.15 | pickcoder | you may not have problems.. or you may.. thus why I suggested a simulation first |
| 23:48.21 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: http://pastebin.com/855529 - this is my fstab, could you take a look for me please? |
| 23:48.48 | noobcook | pickcoder anyother ideas? |
| 23:48.50 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, looks scary.. |
| 23:49.10 | pickcoder | noobcook: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-trident |
| 23:49.19 | pickcoder | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:49.35 | noobcook | couldnt find package |
| 23:49.36 | noobcook | >< |
| 23:49.38 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404779 |
| 23:49.38 | surfbuddy | whatever.. there has been multiple kernel releases in between, what about them..i am sure the users would want a upgrade before a "debian release" is a nnounced ? |
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| 23:50.19 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, link doesnt work ... |
| 23:50.25 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: they are fine.. there in the same O/S release |
| 23:50.30 | MajorPayne | How do I stop my laptop from going into sleep mode |
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| 23:50.49 | pickcoder | sometimes, though, if a package requires a different libc6 version it will do the same thing |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | isn't there a power management tool somewhere ? |
| 23:51.06 | pickcoder | I don't have a concrete example of that yet |
| 23:51.10 | noobcook | alright stuff debian |
| 23:51.13 | noobcook | im taking another path |
| 23:51.14 | noobcook | hehe |
| 23:51.19 | pickcoder | noobcook: ok |
| 23:51.42 | MajorPayne | abrotman: what is the power management tool? |
| 23:51.42 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, ok , and when you mount it ? |
| 23:51.43 | noobcook | i think its because im using the small install cd it hasnt got the trident drivers on it |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | i asked if there was one .. which would imply i don't know what it is :) |
| 23:51.54 | pickcoder | noobcook: you have to setup apt properly from the install |
| 23:52.01 | noobcook | damn |
| 23:52.02 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: when i mount it the permissions become root:root and i can't change them with chown O_O |
| 23:52.09 | noobcook | well im gona try linux live |
| 23:52.13 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, cudnt get.. what do u mean by same O/S release ? |
| 23:52.18 | pickcoder | noobcook: dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | MajorPayne: gnome or kde ? |
| 23:52.46 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: Sarge -> Sarge kernel updates |
| 23:52.56 | pickcoder | versus Sarge 2.6.8 to Etch 2.6.18 |
| 23:53.06 | noobcook | hmm cdrom decote status errors =( |
| 23:53.14 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, basically this is what i was looking for .. Sarge -> Sarge kernel updates |
| 23:53.26 | pickcoder | noobcook: you don't need the cd anymore, once you have the base system installed |
| 23:53.36 | noobcook | ah k |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | MajorPayne: ? |
| 23:53.37 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: apt-get update |
| 23:53.45 | pickcoder | surfbuddy: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:53.57 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, thinking.... |
| 23:53.57 | Thunderguy | mmmk.... Hey on Debian-Testing I cannot install Python with the gtk2 dev packages installed as well, or at least cannot update it |
| 23:54.01 | MajorPayne | abrotman: None, I am running servers off my laptop, when I come back the screen is off and my servers are down, when I press a key it wakes up and the servers are back |
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| 23:54.14 | mebsd | which one is better, kde or gnome? |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | MajorPayne: might be in the BIOS |
| 23:54.23 | abrotman | mebsd: you decide |
| 23:54.26 | karmatronic | mebsd, gnome |
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| 23:54.28 | noobcook | pickcoder done that command whtas next? |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | mebsd: try them both .. then decide |
| 23:54.45 | pickcoder | noobcook: did it prompt you to select a mirror and such? |
| 23:54.49 | noobcook | nope |
| 23:54.53 | mebsd | i've tried them both |
| 23:54.59 | noobcook | it just went to the next debian~#: |
| 23:55.04 | mebsd | i just don't know |
| 23:55.06 | pickcoder | noobcook: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see what lines are in there |
| 23:55.13 | abrotman | mebsd: which did you prefer ? .. noone can tell you what is better for you |
| 23:55.15 | pickcoder | there should stuff other than "cdrom" |
| 23:55.21 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, maybe add umask=000 to the line |
| 23:55.26 | surfbuddy | mebsd, depends if u are a man or a woman ? ;) |
| 23:55.38 | pickcoder | deb http://ftp.debian.org..... etc etc |
| 23:55.58 | mebsd | i'm a man |
| 23:56.02 | surfbuddy | kde |
| 23:56.09 | mike-e | anyone know how to set up grub? I put a 10g hard drive slaved next to my master hd with debian on it, grub detected it upon installation but it doesn't boot even though it's listed in the known OSs. i think killing an installation and then redoing it might have screwed grub up |
| 23:56.12 | mebsd | woman like gnome? |
| 23:56.18 | noobcook | how do you open a file in console? |
| 23:56.38 | noobcook | havent got that far into linux yet =p |
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| 23:56.44 | pickcoder | noobcook: try "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 23:56.48 | surfbuddy | mebsd, not officially, but a funny poll came out with that |
| 23:56.50 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: nope >< |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | mebsd: don't listen to surfbuddy .. he can't even use whole words |
| 23:57.03 | mebsd | i actually like windows the best. hmmm |
| 23:57.18 | noobcook | ok, sources.list created by Bonzai Linux |
| 23:57.28 | noobcook | deb ftp ect ect, kde ect ect |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | so not by debian ? |
| 23:57.41 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:57.44 | surfbuddy | abrotman, hoho,, like fk ya |
| 23:57.45 | pickcoder | Bonzai? |
| 23:57.49 | noobcook | yeh |
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| 23:57.52 | Acu | OK, i have to ask again why X server does not start after installing etch daily? |
| 23:57.54 | noobcook | its a compact dist of debian |
| 23:57.59 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:58.03 | abrotman | no .. it's NOT debian |
| 23:58.10 | pickcoder | who the heck knows what's in there |
| 23:58.27 | pickcoder | on that note.. I'm outtie |
| 23:58.31 | noobcook | well its only 50 megs |
| 23:58.47 | noobcook | dang linux is a conspiracy |
| 23:58.47 | noobcook | ahha |
| 23:58.52 | abrotman | use debian .. or ask a channel that supports Bonzai .. We do NOT |
| 23:59.06 | noobcook | i sense u dont like bonzai =p |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | dude .. you're in #debian .. we support Debian |
| 23:59.30 | abrotman | !tell noobcook about u |
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| 23:59.53 | noobcook | i was under the impression that bonzai is a debian source |
