| 00:00.02 | abrotman | no |
| 00:00.13 | noobcook | when installing it says installing debian |
| 00:00.17 | noobcook | in console it says debian |
| 00:00.20 | abrotman | !d-i noobcook |
| 00:00.21 | dpkg | noobcook, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:00.59 | PDani | hi |
| 00:01.08 | PDani | where can i find the older debian packages? |
| 00:01.14 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, //servername/sharename /mountdirectory smbfs credentials=/home/myhomedirectory/. smbpasswd,uid=mylinuxusername,gid=mylinuxgroupname 0 0 |
| 00:01.15 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 00:01.15 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | !archive |
| 00:01.17 | dpkg | i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 00:01.31 | mike-e | abrotman : can you help me fix grub? |
| 00:01.35 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, should work |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | mike-e: depends what's wrong |
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| 00:01.59 | mike-e | well I put a 10g hard drive slaved next to my master hd with debian on it, grub detected it upon installation but it doesn't boot even though it's listed in the known OSs. i think killing an installation and then redoing it might have screwed grub up |
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| 00:02.05 | surfbuddy | pickcoder, can Etch and Sarge both use the same kernel version.. Well, whats a difference between a distro upgrade and kernel upgrade ? regarding the packages, i think they are completely independent . isnt it? |
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| 00:02.21 | abrotman | mike-e: tried a live CD ? |
| 00:02.34 | mike-e | grub livecd? |
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| 00:03.12 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: muahaha thank you man very much |
| 00:03.22 | abrotman | a liveCD with ubuntu |
| 00:03.23 | karmatronic | BrianSteffens, tried it ? |
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| 00:03.41 | mike-e | how would that fix it? |
| 00:03.43 | BrianSteffens | karmatronic: yep, worked perfectly. many thanks. |
| 00:03.54 | Acu | Fatal server rror: no screens found XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peerO on Xserver ":00000.0" after 0 requestes (0known processeds) with 0 events remaining --- can anyone help me with that ? |
| 00:05.07 | mike-e | abrotman ? |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | okay .. then mess with grub .. try to make it boot .. you didn't tell me what the grub boot line was |
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| 00:06.22 | mike-e | i don't have it because i booted into debian |
| 00:06.31 | mike-e | how would a livecd fix it? |
| 00:06.35 | mike-e | i have one sitting here |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | okay .. reexpalin the problem |
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| 00:09.15 | mike-e | ok i have a master with debian, slave with windows, i installed debian and grub installed and recognized the os, typically it would be fine however i had to reinstall debian after human error and it re-installed grub on the mbr but i don't think it re-provisioned it with the new parameters for the ms os, so when i try to boot the ms os in the grub menu it starts to boot it (or tries) but then just stops |
| 00:09.39 | elzor0 | is there a server for debian that can recieve tty connections over the phone? and does this take special hardware besides a modem? |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | mike-e: google "grub boot windows" |
| 00:10.16 | mike-e | k |
| 00:10.24 | maddash | mike-e: clarify the 'just stops" part |
| 00:11.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am not sure how to repair a software raid 1, after one of the hardware devices is broken? Debian Linux |
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| 00:11.37 | karmatronic | mike-e, yeah had this problem 2 years ago |
| 00:11.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Do I have to 'stop' the array of every /dev/md[1234] devices? |
| 00:12.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | eg by: mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 00:12.07 | mike-e | maddash: it starts to boot it but just stops before the windows 2000 boot process as if it can't find the boot record on the drive |
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| 00:12.31 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: can you post the contents of /proc/mdstat in #flood |
| 00:12.36 | bkw__ | is kernel-image / linux-image both the same? |
| 00:12.40 | karmatronic | mike-e, something like map (hd0) (hd1) in menu.lst |
| 00:12.40 | DaqKnight | i'm trying to configure my server to receive mail. i've added an MX record in the dns to be mailhost.site.com. Do i have to add Cw mailhost.site.com in sendmail.mc |
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| 00:12.53 | maddash | mike-e: if you have a win2000 cd, boot from it, and run chkdisk /f |
| 00:13.18 | maddash | mike-e: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:13.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: I don't have access to the server yet :-/ |
| 00:13.27 | mike-e | roger, just a minute |
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| 00:14.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | I have to go to work, they took it out of the network. I just want to be sure I really know what I am doing then. |
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| 00:15.21 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: if it is a raid failure. you would need to either use raidhot[add|remove] commands or use mdadm to remove the faulty device from the failed raid array and then add it again. |
| 00:15.46 | mike-e | maddash : http://pastebin.com/855549 |
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| 00:15.54 | Acu | It is ironic - I am preparing this Dell Optiplex G240 to use it with three heads (and monitors) and yet I cannot even make it work with one head - X server does not start and no one here seem to have been encounter similar challenge |
| 00:16.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: I don't understand how the system can run if I take down the / array? |
| 00:16.25 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: for example if md2 had sda2 and sdb3 as members and sda2 had failed then you would raidhotremove /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 ; raidhotadd /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 |
| 00:16.39 | mike-e | now that i see that conf file, i know it stops after chainloader +1 displays on the screen |
| 00:17.29 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: does your system support hot swapping of disks ? |
| 00:17.35 | karmatronic | title Windows Vista |
| 00:17.35 | karmatronic | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 00:17.35 | karmatronic | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 00:17.35 | karmatronic | rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 00:17.35 | karmatronic | makeactive |
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| 00:17.47 | maddash | my fglrx driver (ver 28.3 or something - the one available from the etch repos) refuses to support direct rendering (dri). I've already tried installing that x11proto-xfree86-dri, libgl1-mesa-dri and xlib-dri...no matter what I do, `glxinfo|grep render` returns "Xlib: extension XFree86-dri missing from display ":0.0" ". |
| 00:18.18 | mike-e | maddash : see anything unusual? |
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| 00:18.31 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: No, not this one. |
| 00:18.31 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: well the raid 1 can work with just one disc. when you remove it from the array and then add it again you will see that raid array will sync the disks. so it is fine |
| 00:18.43 | maddash | note that I just installed a fresh copy of etch, barebones (nothing by "Standard" selected during install time). upgraded the kernel and its friends via aptitude, then installed fglrx-kernel-src. I installed the actual driver by following the "module-assistant" instructions from the README.debian.gz... |
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| 00:19.03 | maddash | mike-e: hold on, I have to install a browser. |
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| 00:19.08 | mike-e | oh ok |
| 00:19.09 | mike-e | thanks |
| 00:19.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: If I remove a partition from an array and add it again after some time, I don't even have to make it sync, because it does it does it by itself? |
| 00:19.55 | fasta | Can I use fg in to continue a task from _another_ shell? |
| 00:20.13 | fasta | strip in |
| 00:20.35 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: yes that is what mdadm does . http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html if you haven't already read it |
| 00:20.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: What I really want is to replace the complete disc and I can imagine that adding a complete disc is a little more difficult. |
| 00:20.53 | karmatronic | mike-e, i s a shame you re not trying this |
| 00:21.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | thanks, no, I usually just read manuals. |
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| 00:21.34 | mike-e | what? |
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| 00:22.08 | maddash | mike-e: so you have 2 hard drives? |
| 00:22.12 | mike-e | yessir |
| 00:22.15 | karmatronic | mike-e, your problem is that you cant boot a windows which is on a slave disk , right ? |
| 00:22.23 | mike-e | yes |
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| 00:22.38 | karmatronic | mike-e, so try my menu.lst |
| 00:22.52 | maddash | mike-e: whhat did chkdisk /f return? |
| 00:22.53 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | mike-e: i told you how |
| 00:23.03 | karmatronic | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 00:23.08 | maddash | mike-e: try karma's menu.lst first... |
| 00:23.10 | mike-e | maddash never tried it, the ms cd i have has about 6 os's on it |
| 00:23.11 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.19 | abrotman | god damn paster |
| 00:23.19 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:23.30 | karmatronic | abchirk, allright allright |
| 00:23.30 | maddash | karmatronic: just use pastebin |
| 00:23.39 | abchirk | !beer abrotman ... |
| 00:23.46 | abchirk | and change your name! :D |
| 00:23.51 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 00:23.57 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: doesn't matter, you replace the disk, the raid array will notice that the current disk doesn't have a raid setup on it . so it will report it as a failed disk . contents of /proc/mdstat will tell you that. now partition the disk that failed and then add it to the array. mdadm -a /dev/md1 /dev/sda1 for example would add sda1 to the raid array md1 and then start the sync between the disks |
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| 00:24.29 | mike-e | does it matter that this is windows2000 and not vista? |
| 00:24.38 | mike-e | i don't use windows a lot so i don't know how much it differs |
| 00:24.38 | maddash | mike-e: it's just a display name |
| 00:24.39 | thelostbutler | i mean partition the new disk |
| 00:24.41 | karmatronic | mike-e, doesnt matter at all |
| 00:24.56 | karmatronic | mike-e, just used thats as inspiration |
| 00:24.58 | mike-e | karmatronic : paste it into a pastebin so i can paste it in there verbatim? |
| 00:25.03 | mandel | I'm having issues getting grub to boot on a fresh install of etch. it outputs "Grub loading stage1.5." then hangs. no errors/console available, anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:25.07 | PDani | where can i find an 5.1.6 mcrypt modul package for php: |
| 00:25.07 | PDani | ? |
| 00:25.07 | maddash | guys, any clues about my fglrx prob? |
| 00:25.29 | karmatronic | mike-e, you can as well put "my bad os " |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | mike-e: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grub+boot+windows+howto&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 00:26.30 | thelostbutler | mandel: what kind of disks is grub installed on ? |
| 00:26.37 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: So, the only thing I have to do is partition the new disc and push it back in. I thought it was way more work than that. |
| 00:26.43 | karmatronic | mike-e, just that pastebin s so slow |
| 00:26.57 | mike-e | there's hundreds of them |
| 00:27.06 | karmatronic | mike-e, http://pastebin.com/855555 |
| 00:27.09 | mike-e | thanks |
| 00:27.13 | thelostbutler | WoodWoodpecker: nah, it is very simple. :) |
| 00:27.23 | mandel | i've tried it on both an old 4.6g ide drive and a new 80g ide drive, using the first 50m of the disk as ext2 for the boot partition. |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | readthe first one |
| 00:27.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | /etc/mdadm/mdadm is configured to use specific disc-partitions. It should sync from there :) |
| 00:27.43 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: you will have to verify if bootloader is using the disk though |
| 00:27.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | That would be really great. |
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| 00:28.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: the bootloader is only installed in one of the discs? |
| 00:29.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | If it won't work, I will just swap the working disc on the cable. |
| 00:29.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | Well that will still only work if the bootloader is installed on both discs :-/ |
| 00:30.01 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: I don't know how your setup is so can't comment. |
| 00:30.32 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: well you could theoritically use a rescue disk to boot up the system and replace the faulty drive the same way |
| 00:31.02 | Acu | hey guys how can I reinstall linux from command prompt (I cannot make this X server workg ) ? |
| 00:31.18 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: All I know is that grub is installed on either one or both discs. |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | just make the X work |
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| 00:32.02 | thelostbutler | WoodyWoodpecker: you want to be careful using Knoppix 5.1 since it uses 2.6.19 . www.lwn.net has an article on ext3 bug (?) in that kernel version. i haven't personally understood why it is a bug so can't comment |
| 00:32.34 | thelostbutler | WoodWoodpecker: well we won't know until you find out :) |
| 00:32.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | I don't like knoppix. |
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| 00:33.40 | thelostbutler | WoodWoodpecker: use a live cd of your choice. :) i have no fav. |
| 00:33.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | well, I don't have a lot of experience with raids, so I don't really know if grub only installs itself on one or both devices? |
| 00:34.36 | thelostbutler | WoodWoodpecker: it is a manual process. you need to install grub , it won't do it by itself |
| 00:34.49 | mike-e | didn't work |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | error? |
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| 00:35.17 | mike-e | it shows the last 4 lines of the conf and halts |
| 00:35.30 | karmatronic | mike-e: didnt work ? |
| 00:35.36 | mike-e | karmatronic : negative |
| 00:35.48 | karmatronic | mike-e: what happened? |
| 00:35.54 | mike-e | is it possible to reinstall grub when boot in debian? |
| 00:36.02 | mike-e | karmatronic : it shows the last 4 lines of the conf and halts |
| 00:36.18 | karmatronic | so i m mistaken in the rootverify directive |
| 00:36.33 | karmatronic | what did i tell you before? |
| 00:37.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: Well grub lets you specify the root option to be set to '' root=/dev/md0 '', so I think grub will be installed on both devices. |
| 00:37.24 | karmatronic | mike-e: ? |
| 00:37.31 | mike-e | i don't know what you're asking |
| 00:38.10 | karmatronic | mike-e: win is on the slave drive right? |
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| 00:38.25 | thelostbutler | WoodWoodpecker: try it and let us know if it worked. i am sketchy on those details. |
| 00:38.32 | mike-e | karmatronic : yes |
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| 00:38.48 | biz | hi, i used make vmlinux modules modules_install to compile the kernel, used the vmlinux as the image in /boot and tried to run lilo, it says the kernel image is too big. usually i use the bzImage, but this is an old system that i want to optimize on fast bootup, isn't there another way to use an uncompressed kernel image? |
| 00:38.58 | karmatronic | mike-e: and your menu.lst shows root (hd0,0) |
| 00:39.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | thelostbutler: I will tell you. |
| 00:39.25 | mike-e | karmatronic : no i pasted what you had in the pastebin verbatim |
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| 00:39.56 | karmatronic | mike-e: my mistake |
| 00:40.04 | mike-e | so i need the root there? |
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| 00:42.08 | karmatronic | mike-e: try this one |
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| 00:42.15 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:42.49 | karmatronic | mike-e: http://pastebin.com/855557 |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | this is not hard |
| 00:43.10 | PDani | where can i find an mcrypt module for php5 5.1.6-5? |
| 00:43.18 | PDani | or how can i compile it |
| 00:43.19 | PDani | ? |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5043 |
| 00:43.35 | karmatronic | mike-e: and if it doesnt work(should), just change the rootnoverify directly from grub to whatever makes it work |
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| 00:44.06 | karmatronic | abrotman: no he has win on slave disk |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | so change it appropriately .. it's not that hard |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | hd1,0 |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | hav ea nice day :) |
| 00:44.42 | karmatronic | abrotman: wont work that way |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | why not? damn well should |
| 00:45.01 | karmatronic | abrotman: win doesnt like not to be the leader |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | it's fine with it |
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| 00:45.40 | karmatronic | abrotman: wont work this way |
| 00:45.49 | humbolt | what is the etch default kernel? |
| 00:45.50 | geo-rge | yes... should... windows/billg seems to like owning the mbr on the boot disk and living in the first primary partition |
| 00:45.53 | mike-e | i just added root (hd1,0) before you all just said that and it came back as 'filesystem type unknown' |
| 00:45.54 | major_payne | I am running the stable version of debian. I have gnome installed but it isn't used by default. The problem is, my laptop is used to run servers, but it keeps going into some sort of sleep mode and the servers goes down. Since my laptop is never unpluged I don't care if it uses a little bit more power so I would like to get rid of all power saving features. How do I do this? |
| 00:45.59 | mike-e | so i need root (hd1,0)? |
| 00:46.00 | mike-e | err |
| 00:46.02 | mike-e | rootnoverify? |
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| 00:46.17 | humbolt | and which kernel do I need for Xen host OS? |
| 00:46.29 | geo-rge | you can try those... I'd say the latter first |
| 00:46.42 | geo-rge | humbolt: debian has some xen kernel binaries |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | mike-e: or ask #grub |
| 00:47.22 | mike-e | i did |
| 00:47.40 | geo-rge | did it help? :) |
| 00:47.49 | mike-e | nope |
| 00:47.52 | mike-e | silence. |
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| 00:48.04 | humbolt | geo-rge: xen kernel binaries? the linux-image packages you mean, right? |
| 00:48.09 | thelostbutler | major_payne: what kind of servers are these ? are you running X at the time when the laptop goes into sleep mode ? |
| 00:48.29 | karmatronic | mike-e: when you installed debian, you told him to put mbr on first disk sector (of first drive ), right ? |
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| 00:48.39 | major_payne | thelostbutler: No, X is not running. The server is a teamspeak server right now, but I plan on running more in the future |
| 00:48.41 | humbolt | geo-rge: I don't need a special kernel for the host OS, do I? Just for the guests, isn't that right? |
| 00:48.46 | geo-rge | humbolt: yeah, the ones with xen in the name have the xen patches applied (I guess :) |
| 00:48.57 | geo-rge | that part I dunno |
| 00:48.59 | major_payne | thelostbutler: X is installed, just not running, I stoped it from starting up when the comptue rboots |
| 00:49.05 | major_payne | comptuer boots* |
| 00:49.07 | mike-e | karmatronic : yes i did, but i restarted the install because i thought it installed incorrectly (turns out it was a problem with the way xorg was configured) |
| 00:49.12 | humbolt | what is the vserver kernel image for? |
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| 00:49.38 | geo-rge | dunno... probably different flavor of xen-like-thiny |
| 00:49.40 | geo-rge | thingy |
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| 00:50.05 | lnast | vserver images is for a vserver patched kernel.. |
| 00:50.09 | karmatronic | mike-e: and the second time,where did you install mbr? |
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| 00:51.19 | geo-rge | you_there |
| 00:51.33 | karmatronic | mike-e: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5044 |
| 00:51.33 | iturk | hi there friends !! i am getting a segmentation fault because of usage of inb() funtion to access IO ports !! this happens if i dont give access to my user space to use some port using for that ioperm() function !! well i am doing it but i am getting the segmentation fault after some time (like minutes after the application is running) !! Something is removing the permissions of the user space program to access the IO ports !! What it could be ?? i am using k |
| 00:51.33 | iturk | ernel 2.6.14 with real time linux -> xenomai kernel |
| 00:51.50 | mike-e | karmatronic : it worked, thanks much =] |
| 00:51.54 | humbolt | lnast: So for a <4GB RAM server to serve as Xen host I would use the standard linux-image-686? |
| 00:51.56 | mike-e | much appreciated, sir |
| 00:52.02 | karmatronic | mike-e: yes ! |
| 00:52.13 | karmatronic | mike-e: no the good solution |
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| 00:52.15 | atealtha | Gnome automatically imports my JPG files from my camera (Canon 350D aka Rebel XT) but not the raw files. Is there a way I can have it import those as well? I can open them with UFRAW, but it's not as convenient as it can be. |
| 00:52.24 | karmatronic | mike-e: drop the windows drive !!! |
| 00:52.56 | geo-rge | iturk: while there is zero problem with your question... it looks involved, so I suggest: make a web page where you collect the question, answers, any pictures, figures, comments etc |
| 00:53.04 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: you generally want the linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 00:53.07 | humbolt | SMP in the kernels is standard now, isn't it? |
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| 00:53.29 | lnast | humbolt: not. you need the xen image, and xen |
| 00:53.34 | lnast | s/not/nope |
| 00:53.34 | geo-rge | that way every time you show to the next person they will see what you learned upto and including the last person |
| 00:53.42 | dvs | humbolt: in etch it is. |
| 00:53.48 | mike-e | karmatronic : i only use it for counterstrike when i'm drinking booze and bored =] |
| 00:53.49 | humbolt | dondelelcaro: thought the xen image is for the guest OSes? |
| 00:53.54 | kakalto | lnast: need xen for smp? |
| 00:54.22 | lnast | kakalto: no. |
| 00:54.23 | geo-rge | need smp for xen? :) |
| 00:54.31 | iturk | geo-rge: i know that only some people work with xenomai stuf but i woder is someone one know about kernel hacking in order to know when did is deceided to remove the permission of a user space program to access to a IO port !! |
| 00:54.55 | kakalto | lnast: ah, helps if I read a few lines up ;-) |
| 00:55.29 | geo-rge | iturk: as I said, I'm not complaining in the slightest, only offering a suggestion that could help |
| 00:56.33 | geo-rge | (and having said I'm not complaining, I'm otherwise generally a complainer... a nit picker :) |
| 00:57.36 | lnast | humbolt: i suggest vserver if its sufficent btw..its very very easy to setup in etch |
| 00:57.56 | iturk | geo-rge: i understand your point i only ask this question here when i understand that google doesnt have the answer and because of that i should create a web page about this !! let see if i dont start a project in the future like that !! :) |
| 00:58.51 | karmatronic | iturk: wouldnt that be a boring web page.... |
| 00:59.03 | geo-rge | iturk: ok, I should have been more specific... a really really temporary web page :) |
| 00:59.39 | iturk | :) of course it will be boring |
| 01:00.31 | iturk | maybe an email to the developers of xenomai it will be enough |
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| 01:00.40 | lnast | you guys think sarge amd64 would be modern enough to detect all the hw on a dual 2.8 emt64 xeon box? |
| 01:00.43 | me_here | i have an unkapputtable os lol |
| 01:00.47 | Vluid | hi everybody |
| 01:00.55 | geo-rge | only reason I suggest it that way is that things like pastebins aren't quite enough to capture things like images or specific layout |
| 01:00.59 | lnast | SCSI drive is all im really worried about |
| 01:01.08 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: no, it's needed for both |
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| 01:01.32 | geo-rge | good to know... I'll be trying that at some point |
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| 01:02.00 | humbolt | do I need libc6-xen for xen? |
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| 01:02.22 | geo-rge | is that for clients or the host |
| 01:02.57 | h3sp4wn | humbolt: Better to have it (and remove libc6-686) the tls stuff can make xen unreliable |
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| 01:03.10 | Tomi | :D:D::D:D:D |
| 01:03.14 | Tomi | hehe |
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| 01:04.17 | pablo_ | hi, my wireless works ok on sarge and when it wants on etch, what does it changes from one to the other? |
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| 01:04.51 | karmatronic | pablo_: what do you mean "when it wants ") |
| 01:04.54 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:05.56 | abrotman | karmatronic: like your mom |
| 01:05.58 | pablo_ | karmatronic: i dont, know, sometimes i boot and it works and sometimes no |
| 01:06.08 | Azar | hahaha |
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| 01:07.05 | abrotman | pablo_: is it always connecting to the correct SSID ? |
| 01:07.46 | jarjar26 | Hi all, i try to compile application on Debian Sid ans i receive these error: configure: error: unable to find the GNOME libraries |
| 01:07.49 | pablo_ | abrotman: sure |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | pablo_: and there's always a signal ? |
| 01:08.17 | karmatronic | abrotman: like your mom |
| 01:08.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: no |
| 01:08.32 | jjazz | jarjar26: Have you installed the gnome libs? |
| 01:08.40 | pablo_ | abrotman: you mean if it always sees the router, then no |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | karmatronic: huh ? |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | pablo_: can you make rhyme/reason out of it ? |
| 01:09.06 | Kurtism | anybody get an Nvidia GTX8800 to work? |
| 01:09.18 | karmatronic | abrotman: anyway.... |
| 01:09.24 | jarjar26 | jjazz, i haved install libgnome2-0 and libgnome2-0-dev |
| 01:09.31 | Kurtism | 700 and some megs of video memory |
| 01:09.34 | h3sp4wn | Kurtism: you need nvidia-glx/experimental |
| 01:09.45 | cureless | Kurtism: do you want to run linux on it? |
| 01:09.46 | jjazz | jarjar26: Maybe it wants libgnome-dev? |
| 01:09.48 | h3sp4wn | Kurtism: Only driver that supports it that is in debian |
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| 01:10.18 | pablo_ | abrotman: any idea why it works fine in sarge and not in etch? |
| 01:10.25 | jarjar26 | jjazz i will try |
| 01:10.27 | h3sp4wn | (I guess someone with a card like that would not want to use nv) |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | pablo_: driver has changed ? |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | pablo_: uname -a ? |
| 01:10.42 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 01:10.47 | pablo_ | abrotman: dont know, how do i check? |
| 01:11.30 | pablo_ | abrotman: uname? one uses 2.4 and the other 2.6 |
| 01:11.45 | h3sp4wn | Kurtism: You need etch or you won't be able use the package |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | which are you using now ... |
| 01:11.52 | jarjar26 | jjazz, no still got error ! It very strange ! The apps are : http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ |
| 01:11.56 | cureless | I hate slow compiles... |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | you mean 'long' compiles ? |
| 01:12.09 | geo-rge | cureless: throw money at the machine |
| 01:12.19 | humbolt | I am missing linux-modules-2.6-686 package? what to install instead? |
| 01:12.24 | geo-rge | only compile hello.c |
| 01:12.28 | cureless | abrotman: no, I mean slow, geode slow |
| 01:12.50 | humbolt | what is it about the ipw2100 and ipw3xxx-modules packages? |
| 01:12.51 | geo-rge | humbolt: are the modules packaged separately? |
| 01:12.52 | Acu | guys - what is wrong with D-i Etch Daily - I am trying to install daily from yesterday on a Dell Optiplex G240 and Xserver is not starting - I am stucked |
| 01:13.00 | dvs | humbolt: isn't that included in linux-kernel-2.6-686? |
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| 01:13.05 | cureless | geo-rge: I wouldn't even need to cross compile for it, but there's so many libraries I would need to figure out it's not worth the hassle. |
| 01:13.08 | Acu | I am stuck |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | cureless: i blame bob |
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| 01:13.33 | jjazz | jarjar26: I agree it's strange. The app isn't packaged? |
| 01:14.07 | ozatomic | after doing an upgrade of my system today trac has stoped working Anyone else had this issue? |
| 01:14.14 | lnast | how many of you guys are at work out of curiosity? |
| 01:14.22 | jarjar26 | no .. i want to do but whe ii can compile ;) |
| 01:14.26 | cureless | when did things become so complicated, I remember when 266Mhz was enough for a compile |
| 01:14.32 | lnast | ozatomic: ..your sarge system? |
| 01:14.33 | dvs | lnast: abrotman is always on duty. ;-) |
| 01:14.39 | ozatomic | lnast, yep |
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| 01:14.49 | abrotman | dvs: i am ? |
| 01:14.59 | dvs | abrotman: ... or it seems like it |
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| 01:15.12 | abrotman | dvs: i sleep .. not so much lately .. but i do :) |
| 01:15.16 | karmatronic | abrotman: being on #debian is your job ? |
| 01:15.27 | dvs | sure, sure |
| 01:15.33 | humbolt | do I need libc6-i686? |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | karmatronic: pays pretty well |
| 01:15.49 | ozatomic | lnast, have you ahd this issue? |
| 01:15.49 | karmatronic | abrotman: they pay you ? |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | humbolt: need ... no .. |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | karmatronic: they don't pay you ? |
| 01:15.55 | ozatomic | ahd = had |
| 01:16.09 | lnast | ozatomic: nope. was just checking you weren't using sid ;) |
| 01:16.10 | karmatronic | abrotman: noops :( |
| 01:16.23 | abrotman | karmatronic: jeez .. what are you doing here? |
| 01:16.26 | jjazz | karmatronic: The job was posted on monster a few years back. |
| 01:16.40 | karmatronic | abrotman: just having fun |
| 01:16.40 | jarjar26 | dow someone can compile this apps on Debian ? http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/, i still got error when i start ./configure about missin Gnome ... |
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| 01:16.49 | abrotman | karmatronic: but you're not getting paid ... |
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| 01:16.55 | jjazz | karmatronic: generated a lot of talk in this channel |
| 01:16.57 | karmatronic | abrotman: learning stuff from time to time |
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| 01:17.09 | abrotman | karmatronic: i don't know .. you yell at me a lot |
| 01:17.18 | Acu | abrotman: why you do not sleep lately - is the X server in daily which doesnot work that bothers you so much (I do not sleep either but I do no know what to do :) ) |
| 01:17.42 | karmatronic | abrotman: well you re the kind of guy who likes to be yelled at |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | Acu: no .. i go through cycles .. it's a lot worse in the summer .. and i can't sleep when the sun is up |
| 01:17.48 | dvs | heh |
| 01:17.50 | abrotman | karmatronic: not really |
| 01:17.56 | karmatronic | abrotman: come on |
| 01:17.56 | jmd | How do I get USB devices to work with 2.6 kernel? I have usbmgr installed, but no idea how to use it. The man page doesn't help. |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | on what ? |
| 01:18.14 | dvs | ewwwwwwww |
| 01:18.17 | karmatronic | abrotman: see |
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| 01:18.40 | Acu | abrotman: that's very natural - there are light receptors which tells your brain to stay up |
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| 01:19.12 | abrotman | Acu: no .. i mean ... i can stay up til 4am .. and wake up three hours later and not be able to go back to sleep until the sun goes down |
| 01:19.16 | CHodapp | I tend to pass out when I see the sun |
| 01:19.26 | Acu | lol |
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| 01:19.29 | karmatronic | jmd: modprobe usbcore |
| 01:19.32 | jjazz | abrotman: Drink more |
| 01:19.39 | CHodapp | because my brain is like "AAAAH LIGHT TURN IT OFF IT BURNS IT BURNS" |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | jjazz: no good ... |
| 01:19.59 | jmd | karmatronic: Yep that's installed. |
| 01:20.01 | dvs | abrotman: Watch "ishtar" |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | dvs: only if you watch Real Genius |
| 01:20.19 | Acu | there is a saying in Romannia that a smart person sleeps in 4 hours as much a dumb one in 8 .... |
| 01:20.22 | jjazz | abrotman: Why? You should get the drinking in while it's healthy for you. Quick, before science makes it bad! |
| 01:20.22 | jmd | karmatronic: When I plug in a device, syslog says "usb 5-6: device not accepting address 23, error -32" |
| 01:20.33 | Azar | hmmm there is some os group nouveau who tries to write a 3D driver for nVidia cards.. |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | jjazz: just wait .. NYC will ban it soon |
| 01:20.39 | karmatronic | jmd: plugged in a hub ? |
| 01:20.45 | Azar | dvs!! :) |
| 01:20.45 | jjazz | Acu: I'm trying to figure out who made that saying, a smart guy or a dumb one. |
| 01:20.50 | jmd | No. Just memory stick. |
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| 01:20.56 | dvs | Azar?? |
| 01:20.56 | Acu | lol |
| 01:21.22 | karmatronic | jmd: yeah ,but the stick is directly plugget to your pc ? |
| 01:21.29 | jmd | Yes. |
| 01:21.53 | Acu | jjazz: a dumb one of course - for example I need to sleep 9 hours at least (however I sleep sublstantiantially less than thhat) |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | karmatronic: you really don't get paid ? |
| 01:21.56 | jmd | Actually, no. There's a 1 meter usb extention cable. |
| 01:22.08 | jjazz | abrotman: Wouldn't surprise me, the way things are going. Any time Bloomberg has to choose between freedom and order, he goes with the latter. It's the cute little fascist he harbors within. |
| 01:22.09 | karmatronic | abrotman: you really get paid ? |
| 01:22.26 | jjazz | karmatronic: He does, but he was kidding about the "paying well" part |
| 01:22.29 | Acu | lol |
| 01:22.38 | karmatronic | jjazz: :) |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | dpkg: what does karmatronic pay you for |
| 01:22.43 | dpkg | often karmatronic insists on anal stimulation, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 01:22.52 | Azar | we pay abrotman with beer, dpkg serves |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | jjazz: does your food taste different ? |
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| 01:23.23 | jjazz | abrotman: Different than what? |
| 01:23.39 | Acu | whererver there is money there is no morality.... |
| 01:23.47 | robin_sz | jjazz, shush now, you know that Bllomberg is looking after your safety and pretecting your liberty .. why, if you oppose these sensible measures, you must be a TERRORIST. ... ;) |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | jjazz: than before ? |
| 01:24.03 | dvs | robin_sz: hahahahahaha |
| 01:24.05 | jjazz | abrotman: Oh, before the transfat ban? The ban hasn't taken effect yet. |
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| 01:24.28 | Azar | paid sex is immoral |
| 01:24.35 | robin_sz | but fun |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | jjazz: oh .. i thought it was already in place |
| 01:24.43 | dvs | Azar: so don't go on dates. ;-) |
| 01:24.50 | Azar | yep I guess you get professionals to sexor you |
| 01:25.11 | jjazz | robin_sz: OK, you've convinced me. Where do I turn myself in? |
| 01:25.11 | robin_sz | oh, me pay them .. hmm hadnt considered it that way round |
| 01:25.57 | Azar | dvs: I don't ... no time for romancing |
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| 01:26.04 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | !kiss Azar |
| 01:26.20 | robin_sz | jjazz, pick any bar in greenwich village and just shout "I got a bomb" and the "turning in" process wil be automatic |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | robin_sz: i thought you were a brit |
| 01:26.56 | Acu | OK, we are off topic and we are not even talking from the Neuroscience point of view - no Dopamine, ADrenaline, Oxitocin and other powerful neurotransmiters with theyr receptors - I better go and figure out this Xserver matter on Gx240 (Ithought that afttter RC1 the dailys will be more stable ...) |
| 01:27.10 | ozatomic | GPG error: ftp://ftp.au.debian.org unstable Release |
| 01:27.19 | ozatomic | i get this error about the public key |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | topic |
| 01:27.27 | ozatomic | but i have used the command given by the bot |
| 01:27.36 | robin_sz | abrotman, I travel ... |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | here ? |
| 01:27.52 | robin_sz | sure |
| 01:28.02 | robin_sz | NYC? |
| 01:28.06 | jjazz | robin_sz: I was once going through the Lincoln Tunnel and was chatting via FRS with the car ahead of me. He noted that in the tunnel our conversation was probably monitored. I shouted into my radio: Allahu Akhbar and waited to see if we got out of the tunnel alive. No problems. So, you see, the turning in process is harder than you think. |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | not me ... but .us in generAl |
| 01:28.45 | karmatronic | jjazz: Allahu Akhbar? |
| 01:28.48 | jjazz | abrotman: Anybody who refers to "Greenwich village" is not from around here. |
| 01:28.51 | robin_sz | jjazz, big brother isnt always listening .. but hes probably recording :) |
| 01:28.58 | jjazz | karmatronic: I'm sure I butchered the spelling |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | you think ? |
| 01:29.19 | robin_sz | jjazz, ok "the village" then |
| 01:29.20 | jjazz | abrotman: I try not to |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | jjazz: i don't think your boss would like that |
| 01:29.55 | robin_sz | abrotman, we have an office in NYC, I have to visit from time to time |
| 01:30.02 | jjazz | abrotman: He thinks enough for both of us. Dude's got a very big brain. |
| 01:30.11 | abrotman | robin_sz: you keep welders there ? |
| 01:30.22 | Acu | jjazz: this is not a kamikaze chant ....:) |
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| 01:30.36 | abrotman | jjazz: that's how you became a yankee fan :) |
| 01:30.38 | agent19 | jjazz: mr. Jjazz? |
| 01:30.40 | robin_sz | abrotman, only half my life is welders, the other half is software |
| 01:30.44 | agent19 | jjazz: you will come with us. |
| 01:31.05 | jjazz | agent19: Number 19, who is number one? |
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| 01:31.17 | amphi | hahahahahaha |
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| 01:31.47 | robin_sz | abrotman, we have cotnracts with some NYC auction houses, I have to go and bother them from time to time |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 01:31.47 | jjazz | abrotman: I actually caught myself humming "Thank god I'm a country boy" the other day, but in my mind I was thinking "Thank god I'm a yankee fan." |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | jjazz: sure .. whatever gets you through the day :) |
| 01:32.37 | jjazz | abrotman: Hey, the Yankees now have more pitchers than any other team. We are going to RULE AAA ball. |
| 01:32.54 | robin_sz | jjazz, thats rounders right? |
| 01:32.58 | me_here | wazzuuupppp ssssuuuuckkkkkeeerrrrsssss ! |
| 01:33.05 | jjazz | abrotman: If there's ever a pitchers-only cage match, the Yankees will definitely win. |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | jjazz: you do not! |
| 01:33.16 | jjazz | robin_sz: Yes, we play rounders in Greenwich village. |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | jjazz: sox have more! .. they're just all 40+ :) |
| 01:33.36 | jjazz | abrotman: You're hoping the over-40 gravity will pull in Clemens. |
| 01:33.43 | rahul | rounders? haha |
| 01:33.47 | gravity | ? |
| 01:33.52 | Acu | I have a question : when you netinstall from RC1 Release is it different than you do Weekly snapshot? |
| 01:33.55 | rahul | I wouldn't be surprised, actually |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | jjazz: i think if we get one more .. we get a handicap :) |
| 01:34.09 | jjazz | robin_sz: What kind of auctions? |
| 01:34.10 | dondelelcaro | Acu: often, yes. |
| 01:34.21 | robin_sz | jjazz, fine art, stamps mainly |
| 01:34.22 | jjazz | abrotman: Well, you'll need a handicap... entrance. |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | jjazz: you got your tickets for next year ? |
| 01:35.05 | kakalto | dondelelcaro: do you know any specifics of how it's different? |
| 01:35.14 | jjazz | abrotman: No tickets this year. The money went into another fund. |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | jjazz: damn wedding! |
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| 01:35.59 | jjazz | abrotman: No, no wedding, thankfully. I'm the luckiest guy in the world. If I asked my gf to marry me, she's smart enough to say no. |
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| 01:36.04 | rahul | do people actually hang out in the village any more? heh |
| 01:36.25 | rahul | I haven't been there in years. I'm always going to the west or the east |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | jjazz: you must really suck! |
| 01:36.27 | jjazz | rahul: Tourists, NYU students, euros |
| 01:36.34 | rahul | jjazz: eh, figures |
| 01:36.48 | Frew | Anyone here know how to set up dual monitors? |
| 01:36.49 | rahul | jjazz: closest I get to there is cooper union or down the hatch heh |
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| 01:37.12 | elzor0 | frew: depends on your display driver, you wouldn't happen to be using an nvidia card would you? |
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| 01:37.21 | jjazz | abrotman: It's hard work sucking enough that she won't marry me, but not enough that she leaves me. I've got very carefully calibrated suction. |
| 01:37.35 | rahul | um |
| 01:37.39 | Frew | Anyone here know how to set up dual monitors? Or know a good site with instructions for dumb people. elzor0: Yes I am using an nvidia as my second card. |
| 01:37.42 | rahul | jjazz: you live in the west village? |
| 01:37.43 | jjazz | rahul: Cooper Union is a fine institution. |
| 01:37.54 | rahul | talking about sucking your gf, and all |
| 01:37.54 | jjazz | rahul: No. I just moved from Hell's Kitchen to Prospect Heights |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | jjazz: if you were really skilled .. you'd have two :) |
| 01:37.58 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:38.07 | rahul | jjazz: HK is cool |
| 01:38.11 | elzor0 | Frew : what you want is xinerama |
| 01:38.16 | rahul | jjazz: I usually hang out there, but I live in the UWS |
| 01:38.26 | Acu | dondelelcaro: wellcome back maybe you can help me out - I have succesfully made three head in a Pentium 4 box - however now I neeed badly to make a workstation do tha (Dell GX240 with Pentium 4 And AGP - and I installed from Daily etch frim 8 January 2007 and it does not go into X server - I changed cards and it still not working - rght now I am installing the EEtch Release netiiinstall with the hope it will solve my problem |
| 01:38.29 | jjazz | abrotman: I barely have time for one. These people with women all over the place. When do they sleep? |
| 01:38.34 | Frew | elzor0: Is there a debian package for that? |
| 01:38.36 | elzor0 | theres a way to define multiple monitors in your xorg config and then define where they are relative to each other |
| 01:38.46 | jjazz | rahul: I lived on the UWS for a few years. I work on 68th and bway now |
| 01:38.51 | elzor0 | frew: xwindows can already do it, no new software needed :) |
| 01:38.52 | rahul | jjazz: haha |
| 01:38.55 | rahul | jjazz: I'm a block up |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | jjazz: Thursday |
| 01:39.06 | elzor0 | frew: well, as long as both cards havs drivers installed, no new software |
| 01:39.12 | jjazz | rahul: Is there any good thai takeout in that area? |
| 01:39.20 | jjazz | rahul: I haven't found it. Where do you order from? |
| 01:39.22 | rahul | jjazz: hmm |
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| 01:39.28 | abrotman | jjazz: did you change jobs recently ? |
| 01:39.30 | jjazz | abrotman: Why Thursday? |
| 01:39.36 | rahul | jjazz: the good Thai is in HK, that I know of |
| 01:39.38 | jjazz | abrotman: Nope. But I've run out of takeout options. |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | jjazz: it's before the weekend! |
| 01:39.44 | robin_sz | jjazz, near west 54th? |
| 01:39.46 | jjazz | rahul: Yeah, that's definitely true. |
| 01:39.48 | Frew | elzor0: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 01:39.49 | rahul | and Vietnamese is all the way almost in harlem |
| 01:39.52 | elzor0 | frew: check the x docs for something called xinerama |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | jjazz: still working with that whack Eben? :) |
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| 01:39.56 | elzor0 | frew: that sounds right |
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| 01:40.06 | rahul | I miss River. |
| 01:40.18 | jjazz | abrotman: Yep. He's a great guy to work with |
| 01:40.38 | rahul | good spring rolls and good wacky martinis. |
| 01:40.56 | Acu | elzor0: I have now a single cdard and monitor - jusst to make the system work - then I will add the others (I was taught by petemc how to do that) |
| 01:40.59 | jjazz | rahul: I only went there a couple times in the 1999. It was decent, though. |
| 01:41.17 | jjazz | rahul: What local takeout do you recommend? |
| 01:41.26 | elzor0 | does this nvidia card happen to have two heads? |
| 01:41.33 | rahul | jjazz: Ollie's is ok |
| 01:41.40 | rahul | jjazz: great veggie dumplings there |
| 01:41.44 | elzor0 | because I run dual monitors that way and its VERY easy to set up with the nvidia driver |
| 01:41.45 | jjazz | rahul: Yeah, I'm in that building |
| 01:41.53 | rahul | heh yeah |
| 01:41.57 | Frew | elzor0: Still looking for xorg.conf. What do you mean by check the x docs? How do I do that? |
| 01:42.06 | jjazz | rahul: BTW, if you want burritos, Burrito Box is the best of the area. |
| 01:42.09 | rahul | jjazz: um... damn, they closed that diner near blockbuster... |
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| 01:42.16 | rahul | jjazz: eh, I don't like their burritos |
| 01:42.20 | rahul | jjazz: their tacos are good, tho |
| 01:42.26 | jjazz | rahul: And the ethiopian place closed too |
| 01:42.37 | rahul | jjazz: yeah, but I like queen of sheeba so much more than that place |
| 01:42.38 | jjazz | rahul: Yes, their tacos are good. |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | sounds like you two need to support your local economy a bit more |
| 01:42.53 | rahul | abrotman: it was a single-story building |
| 01:42.53 | DavidProck1981 | is there any thing bad about software raid |
| 01:42.54 | jjazz | rahul: Sheba rocks, but do they deliver to our area? |
| 01:43.07 | rahul | abrotman: probably gonna build it up and sell it as condos |
| 01:43.13 | Frew | elzor0: Nope. The nvidia card just has one head. |
| 01:43.13 | jjazz | abrotman: The entire block is closing as places lose their lease. I smell development. |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | swraid taxes your CPU |
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| 01:43.21 | rahul | jjazz: probably not... it's kinda far... |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | jjazz: high rise! |
| 01:43.38 | jjazz | rahul: I lived near it and ate there constantly. |
| 01:43.40 | rahul | jjazz: there's always fairway and zabar's :) |
| 01:43.43 | rahul | and food emporium |
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| 01:43.50 | rahul | jjazz: cool |
| 01:43.56 | jjazz | rahul: Food Emporium is stupid expensive. |
| 01:44.01 | rahul | yeah, true. |
| 01:44.09 | rahul | except for their vitamin water. |
| 01:44.22 | jjazz | rahul: But, my office has a decent kitchen, so we do a lot of little cooking expeditions. Every couple weeks we do pizza bagels, which is fun. |
| 01:44.29 | rahul | cool |
| 01:44.36 | rahul | jjazz: oh, there's that new one, hummus place |
| 01:44.42 | DavidProck1981 | if you do a software raid do you have to leave the /boot partition out side of the Raid? |
| 01:44.44 | jjazz | rahul: where? |
| 01:44.55 | rahul | jjazz: something like 74th and ams? |
| 01:45.07 | jjazz | rahul: I'll check it out. For falafel, I go to Sido |
| 01:46.04 | rahul | amen! |
| 01:46.15 | jjazz | :) |
| 01:46.15 | DavidProck1981 | any one know? |
| 01:46.59 | elzor0 | frew: the x docs are the xserver documentation, its on the xorg website |
| 01:47.27 | rahul | jjazz: if you're looking for something greasy, there's always big nick's |
| 01:48.03 | rahul | and for something using good ingredients, but you'll pay for it, there's citrus or josie's |
| 01:48.06 | jjazz | rahul: Haven't been, just because it looks... greasy. |
| 01:48.12 | jjazz | rahul: I like both of those places. |
| 01:48.24 | rahul | ah, ivy's is good |
| 01:48.43 | rahul | Le Pain Quotidien is supposedly good |
| 01:48.46 | rahul | never been there, tho |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | isn't there a swraid howto ? |
| 01:49.30 | jjazz | rahul: I've been there. It's ok if you're in the mood for it. |
| 01:50.11 | rahul | mood? |
| 01:50.18 | lnast | god having blue on black is hard to see :\ |
| 01:50.29 | rahul | jjazz: it's sandwiches and stuff, right? |
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| 01:50.58 | jjazz | rahul: Yes, and soups and little dishes of this and that. |
| 01:51.03 | rahul | yeah |
| 01:51.15 | jjazz | rahul: You have to dig their rustic schtick. |
| 01:51.37 | Frew | elzor0: Man, this is a pain. Can this even be done in sarge? |
| 01:51.54 | rahul | I could imagine getting a sandwich from there and then going to the park for a lunch date, I guess |
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| 01:52.22 | rahul | oy, now I'm getting hungry |
| 01:52.39 | Acu | frew: do you want any help from me for dual head - is unbelievaly easy: you just add second card and second monitor after each corresponding section (obviously you have to assign names different from the existing ones) and configure the server layout |
| 01:53.05 | Acu | frew: that is in xorg.conf |
| 01:53.07 | jjazz | rahul: Sure. I've taken dates to Il Violino, O'Neal's, Citrus and a few others. Lots of options. |
| 01:53.14 | rahul | yeah |
| 01:53.22 | rahul | citrus is a cool spot |
| 01:53.40 | Frew | Acu: Thanks - I would love some help, yes. Is it possible xorg.conf is not on my machine? I can't find it yet. |
| 01:53.41 | jjazz | rahul: Josie's is really good for vegetarians |
| 01:53.46 | rahul | yep |
| 01:54.10 | rahul | they're all about the organic produce |
| 01:54.20 | jjazz | rahul: pricey, but worth it |
| 01:54.25 | rahul | exactly :) |
| 01:54.36 | Acu | Frew: it is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:54.54 | Frew | updatedb && locate xorg.conf - nothing... I don't have it. |
| 01:54.55 | Acu | I can paste! one example for you |
| 01:55.05 | jjazz | Acu: xorg isn't in sarge, unless you backport it |
| 01:55.16 | rahul | jjazz: manhattan diner is good, too |
| 01:55.26 | jjazz | rahul: Yeah? Never been. What's good ther |
| 01:55.33 | rahul | they got all kinds of stuff |
| 01:56.04 | jjazz | !backports |
| 01:56.05 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 01:56.25 | gcbirzan | Anyone knows of an already made tool to get rid of Mailer Daemon stuff that didn't come from one of my machines? (Give it a list of IP/ranges, or some such..) |
| 01:56.34 | gcbirzan | Erm. That's about mails that didn't origianlly come from there. |
| 01:56.42 | Acu | Frew: OK, so if you have sarge you have to find a file Xfree86.conf (or something like this ) the prnciple is thee same |
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| 01:57.00 | rahul | gcbirzan: hmm, I have a little gnus thing to do it |
| 01:57.00 | Frew | Acu: Ok - I've been in there lots of times. |
| 01:57.15 | gcbirzan | rahul: Yes, but I will not change my OS to do it. :-P |
| 01:57.18 | rahul | gcbirzan: it's part of my normal mail filtering, because I put real mailer daemon stuff in a separate folder |
| 01:57.21 | rahul | heh |
| 01:57.31 | Acu | !paste |
| 01:57.31 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:57.41 | gcbirzan | rahul: (gnus is emacs, no? :-P) |
| 01:57.44 | rahul | yes :) |
| 01:57.53 | gcbirzan | Okay, so. Anything for _LINUX_? :-P |
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| 01:58.05 | Ilovemypuppy | what happened? |
| 01:58.12 | gcbirzan | Hell froze over. |
| 01:58.30 | rahul | hmm |
| 01:58.36 | jjazz | Ilovemypuppy: It was great. We all went ice skating. Had to keep ducking stalactites. |
| 01:59.00 | Acu | Frew: you have to get anyworking existing Xfreee86.conf file and look at it - I have an Xorg.conf only I can paste it for you |
| 01:59.32 | Frew | Acu: Looking at my XF86Config-4 file now. |
| 01:59.42 | gcbirzan | rahul: Though, how bad can it be. Can I have a look at it? :-) |
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| 02:00.08 | Frew | Acu: Should I make a copy of the monitor stuff? |
| 02:00.41 | Frew | Acu: Use the same device block for the second one, but change where necessary? |
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| 02:01.17 | Frew | Acu: Well, actually, maybe there are three sections. |
| 02:01.42 | Acu | Frew: exactly but at the end there is a section which you have to recall them and tell cierama on and which one is left of which one (there is very specific way to say it) |
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| 02:02.55 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf XF86Config-4 ... practically identical |
| 02:03.02 | jetscreamer | 4.conf |
| 02:03.16 | jetscreamer | interchangeable with 2 modifications iirc |
| 02:03.29 | jjazz | Frew: I think what you'll end up with is two monitor, two device and two screen sections. |
| 02:04.07 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 02:04.08 | Frew | Got that now. |
| 02:04.10 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 02:04.11 | DaqKnight | does anyone at all have an idea of how to fix the dreamweaver sftp problem on debian sarge? |
| 02:04.25 | Frew | I think I just need the last part that Acu mentioned. |
| 02:04.42 | Frew | The xinerama block? |
| 02:06.18 | jjazz | I dunno. My dual head uses merged framebuffer, so I don't have a xinerama block. |
| 02:06.40 | nvz | hmm quick random question.. I need a word that describes some sort of cosmic explosion of collossal proportions.. like a giant star erupting or something |
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| 02:06.52 | Frew | Supernova? |
| 02:07.06 | jjazz | nvz: splodey? |
| 02:07.07 | nvz | doesnt have to be cosmic just a word describing a great eruption of energy |
| 02:07.19 | jetscreamer | bigexplosion |
| 02:07.21 | Frew | Kablam? |
| 02:07.22 | nvz | heh |
| 02:07.33 | rahul | gcbirzan: oh, um, it's basically built-in to gnus, doh |
| 02:07.38 | jetscreamer | megathwump |
| 02:07.39 | barretj | there are online thesaurus sites, you know |
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| 02:08.06 | nvz | yeah they probably have better words than this too |
| 02:08.15 | Frew | What for? |
| 02:08.18 | nvz | I could of thought of shit like "pow" |
| 02:08.19 | Frew | What are you writing? |
| 02:08.27 | jetscreamer | bang zowie |
| 02:08.27 | barretj | kablooie |
| 02:08.36 | jetscreamer | i like zowie |
| 02:08.38 | nvz | I am just trying to describe creative potential |
| 02:08.49 | Frew | B/c if it was a comic book, we would all have been very helpful. |
| 02:08.50 | jetscreamer | oh.. we don't have any |
| 02:08.50 | barretj | kung-pow |
| 02:09.26 | Frew | Where did Acu go? He almost had me helped... |
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| 02:09.33 | nvz | I'm going with supernova because its simple enough that I wont loose my audience |
| 02:10.50 | jokker_fr | what is exactly getaddrinfo please ? application ? module ? or what ... |
| 02:11.02 | barretj | jokker_fr: a system call |
| 02:11.32 | geo-rge | jokker_fr: man getaddrinfo and see :) |
| 02:11.34 | Acu | Frew: here is the Xorg example - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5045. |
| 02:11.47 | geo-rge | and/or read its source code |
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| 02:12.05 | barretj | oooh |
| 02:12.10 | jokker_fr | man getaddrinfos doesn't say anything |
| 02:12.10 | barretj | getaddrinfo is POSIX |
| 02:12.14 | barretj | yummy |
| 02:12.15 | jokker_fr | do I need to install it ? |
| 02:12.21 | barretj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaddrinfo |
| 02:12.59 | Frew | Acu: Thanks brother. I think I'm almost there. |
| 02:14.44 | jokker_fr | any idea why I get this error please ... http://pastebin.ca/311662 |
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| 02:15.33 | snowbird | darn isp |
| 02:15.45 | gcbirzan | rahul: Uh. Fine! I'll write my own! :-P |
| 02:15.53 | jokker_fr | snowbird=> for me ? |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | something wrong in the config ? |
| 02:16.01 | gcbirzan | But, tomorrwow. It's 4:15 am. Night. |
| 02:16.08 | rahul | gcbirzan: actually, my trick is to use a local MTA |
| 02:16.26 | snowbird | jokker i reset modem 1000times a hour |
| 02:16.28 | rahul | gcbirzan: then, all failures come back to my local box instead of my ISP's box |
| 02:16.36 | gcbirzan | rahul: I do too. Sometimes on my laptop, sometimes on another machine. :-P |
| 02:17.13 | Frew | Here goes nothing. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:17.14 | gcbirzan | rahul: I admin the domain(s) I use to send mail from. So, that's not an issue. |
| 02:17.20 | Acu | Frew: welcome - it is very easy - just a bit of logic - for me to detect the second card and monitor correctly - I save the xorg.conf - shutdown the system - pullout first card - plug second card and attach the second monitor - reeeestart the sysssstem and the xorg conf (New one has the new card detected and the screen ) if it doesnot do that you just enter as root and type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (there is similoar co |
| 02:17.21 | Acu | mmand for sfree) then going througggggh motion will dettttttect and make second set of card and monitor work - now you just have to save thhhhe xorg conf shud down plug in the first card and you reboot - reconfigure xorg.conf based on the previous working configurations |
| 02:17.27 | gcbirzan | rahul: Well, except one. But, I can get the guys to do stuff. :-P |
| 02:17.39 | gcbirzan | rahul: I don't really get how that will help. |
| 02:17.40 | rahul | gcbirzan: maybe you can go by received: headers, then |
| 02:18.02 | gcbirzan | rahul: Now, if I would be always sending mail via the same MTA, that would be nice. |
| 02:18.04 | rahul | gcbirzan: it's all in /var/mail/rjain instead of downloaded from my POP box |
| 02:18.26 | gcbirzan | rahul: Still, I don't see how it would help. :-P |
| 02:19.04 | rahul | gcbirzan: mails from mailer daemon that are in your ISP's box are fake, then |
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| 02:19.20 | rahul | because they didn't originate from your own MTA |
| 02:19.34 | gcbirzan | rahul: Hm. Not all. |
| 02:19.57 | rahul | eh, enough that I don't care :P |
| 02:20.05 | gcbirzan | True. :-P |
| 02:20.23 | gcbirzan | Can't say I get many myself.. |
| 02:20.44 | Acu | OK, Gurus I have a simple question - why this Dell Optiplex GX240 doesnot allow Xserver to start ? - I just reinstall for third time Debian ETch (this time Release RC1) does notw work |
| 02:20.57 | gcbirzan | Because Dell hates you. |
| 02:21.13 | rahul | Acu: because you lied to the installer |
| 02:21.36 | snowbird | etch needs x core apt get |
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| 02:23.26 | Acu | snowbird: what exaclty I need to do? |
| 02:23.45 | snowbird | yes |
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| 02:23.56 | stoned | windows users are such idiots |
| 02:23.59 | stoned | I swear to god |
| 02:24.05 | snowbird | that reace core |
| 02:24.22 | snowbird | acu can diolog me |
| 02:24.24 | Azar | stoned how is going at dell? |
| 02:24.30 | gcbirzan | stoned: Same to you too, buddy :-P |
| 02:24.32 | stoned | Azar, I stopped 3 weeks ago |
| 02:24.43 | Azar | wow |
| 02:24.46 | stoned | Azar, I like to make an honest living |
| 02:24.59 | stoned | Azar, the amount doesn't matter much, as long as its honest |
| 02:25.03 | stoned | Dell is not hoenst |
| 02:25.11 | stoned | I get large commission because I steal from sweet ol ladies |
| 02:25.15 | stoned | I coudln't do that anymore |
| 02:25.20 | stoned | I couldn't live with my self |
| 02:25.21 | Azar | :) |
| 02:25.27 | gcbirzan | What else were they going to do with the money? |
| 02:25.40 | Acu | snowbird: what do you mean diolog ? |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | you haven't gone back?! |
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| 02:25.48 | gcbirzan | Leave it to their crack addicted grandkids? :-P |
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| 02:25.53 | snowbird | private message |
| 02:25.53 | abrotman | snowbird: what is your native language ? |
| 02:25.54 | stoned | abrotman, I went back, put in my doctors note, and then signed my resume |
| 02:25.56 | stoned | er... |
| 02:26.00 | stoned | regisnation |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | resignation ? |
| 02:26.06 | wastrel | okey dokey |
| 02:26.06 | stoned | signed my resume lol |
| 02:26.19 | snowbird | doctors english |
| 02:26.20 | zinx | stoned: must be a very pretty signature to put it on your resume |
| 02:26.25 | stoned | lol |
| 02:26.26 | Azar | stoned: open up your own shop and build PCs with linux for old sweet ladies |
| 02:26.33 | abrotman | snowbird: no really .. what's your native language ? |
| 02:26.44 | snowbird | english |
| 02:26.52 | snowbird | cree |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | you're a native american ? |
| 02:27.03 | m0rbid | o.O |
| 02:27.12 | snowbird | acr can indian |
| 02:27.34 | Azar | never believe a native esperanto speaker |
| 02:27.56 | snowbird | acr apt-get xserver -xserver 86 on google |
| 02:28.00 | wastrel | hi |
| 02:28.03 | wastrel | esperanto eh |
| 02:28.17 | snowbird | acer then install core |
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| 02:28.28 | rahul | * snowbird is now known as stoned |
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| 02:28.37 | abrotman | no freaking kidding |
| 02:28.41 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:29.05 | m0rbid | sup abrotman. long time no see. |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | i just saw you the other night! |
| 02:29.16 | snowbird | tg iam canadian |
| 02:29.32 | gcbirzan | French side of Canada, I hope... |
| 02:29.42 | snowbird | hell no |
| 02:29.45 | m0rbid | you did? o.O |
| 02:29.51 | m0rbid | Drugs are bad. |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | snowbird: please try to speak english |
| 02:30.05 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: Yeah, hand 'em over. |
| 02:30.10 | m0rbid | but they make me feel soo gooood. |
| 02:30.13 | snowbird | french is south east |
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| 02:30.16 | rahul | heh... |
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| 02:30.22 | m0rbid | NO, I shall not share my wealth. |
| 02:30.49 | rahul | it's easy to be stoned in the french part of canada :) |
| 02:30.51 | gcbirzan | I'll tell on you! |
| 02:31.03 | gimmulf | how do i get subversion 1.3.1 to debian, latest version in testing is 1.1.4 :( |
| 02:31.08 | m0rbid | gcbirzan: to who? |
| 02:31.14 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: Details! |
| 02:31.31 | stoned | dude |
| 02:31.32 | gcbirzan | (To whom, surely? :-P) |
| 02:31.40 | stoned | I'm just really fucking pissed off |
| 02:31.42 | m0rbid | I have some Bacardi Rum and a half-ounce. |
| 02:31.50 | netdaemon | how would i go about getting debian to acquire a network address at boot? |
| 02:31.58 | gcbirzan | netdaemon: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:32.02 | jello | netdaemon: dhcp? |
| 02:32.15 | rahul | stoned: where's my car? |
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| 02:32.19 | jello | bootp? |
| 02:32.26 | lindenle|home | How do I include a file redirection inside a find --exec command? |
| 02:32.32 | m0rbid | netdaemon: did you do the install from the netinst? |
| 02:32.34 | rahul | I have flor de cana rum |
| 02:32.37 | netdaemon | yes its dhcp |
| 02:32.38 | PumpkinPie | WHO WANTS SOME |
| 02:32.41 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: I only have some crappy beer. Tastes like it's been open for the better part of the week. :-( |
| 02:32.43 | jello | lindenle|home: file redirection? |
| 02:32.58 | netdaemon | m0rbid, yes but i did not have the cat5 connected at the time |
| 02:33.02 | Frew | Acu: Well, total meltdown... |
| 02:33.04 | m0rbid | gcbirzan: yikes. Ive been there just the other day. I know how you feel. |
| 02:33.08 | jello | !beer gcbirzan |
| 02:33.11 | rahul | gcbirzan: can't you like.. go outside and just have good beer appear in front of you? |
| 02:33.18 | Frew | Acu: Good thing I backed up the file... |
| 02:33.19 | jello | gcbirzan: there, enjoy :) |
| 02:33.21 | m0rbid | netdaemon: ifup eth0 |
| 02:33.23 | PumpkinPie | gcbirzan: all beer in general tastes like its been mixed with 30% piss for the better part of a week |
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| 02:33.33 | rahul | PumpkinPie: uh... |
| 02:33.44 | m0rbid | netdaemon: then edit the /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 02:33.47 | rahul | PumpkinPie: are you from the midwest of the US? |
| 02:33.54 | PumpkinPie | west |
| 02:33.55 | gcbirzan | It's 4:33am, I'm supposed to be at work in around 5 hours. It's cold. And, the closest open store is the one I bought this from. |
| 02:34.11 | rahul | PumpkinPie: well, I guess that's not too much better... |
| 02:34.12 | wastrel | hi |
| 02:34.17 | wastrel | you should have some water |
| 02:34.27 | rahul | PumpkinPie: you should try a magic hat #9 and then say that |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | wastrel: are you broken ? |
| 02:34.43 | rahul | PumpkinPie: or a pete's wicked ale |
| 02:34.45 | wastrel | not last time i checked |
| 02:34.47 | Azar | damn I like this PC design: http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/P450-8630-a.JPG |
| 02:34.49 | netdaemon | ty |
| 02:35.05 | netdaemon | think i got it =) |
| 02:35.07 | Azar | Id buy it just for kicks |
| 02:35.12 | netdaemon | iface eth1 inet dhcp added to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:35.24 | snowbird | beer is bottled cattle pee |
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| 02:35.44 | m0rbid | netdaemon: make sure you add auto eth0 on top of that. |
| 02:35.49 | m0rbid | erk |
| 02:35.55 | m0rbid | netdaemon: make sure you add auto eth1 on top of that. |
| 02:36.01 | lindenle|home | jello: like find ./ -name Root -exec echo 'test' > '{}' ';' |
| 02:36.16 | m0rbid | netdaemon: then do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:36.30 | gcbirzan | lindenle|home: You can work around that... |
| 02:36.34 | jello | lindenle|home: i don't understand what you're trying to do |
| 02:37.09 | gcbirzan | lindenle|home: find ./ -name Root | while read file; do echo test > file; done |
| 02:37.10 | netdaemon | done =) |
| 02:37.20 | gcbirzan | lindenle|home: find ./ -name Root | while read file; do echo test > "$file"; done |
| 02:37.22 | jello | lindenle|home: maybe find . -name Root -print0 | xargs -0i echo test > {} |
| 02:37.32 | gcbirzan | jello: That will not work. |
| 02:37.46 | rahul | heh |
| 02:37.48 | gcbirzan | Maybe if you quoted the >. But, I'm not sure even that will work. |
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| 02:37.56 | jello | gcbirzan: yeah you're right |
| 02:38.11 | rahul | gc's got the idea |
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| 02:38.28 | rahul | welcome to unix. |
| 02:38.51 | lindenle|home | ok that works thanks guys |
| 02:38.52 | gcbirzan | Cool! Nice seeing you here. I'll have... Hm, a beer and an espresso. |
| 02:39.01 | jello | rahul: after 10+ years it's nice to be welcomed... |
| 02:39.08 | m0rbid | linuz rahul, linux. |
| 02:39.20 | m0rbid | linux^ |
| 02:39.23 | rahul | m0rbid: no, it's unix in general |
| 02:39.29 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: Oh, this is Ubuntu? :-) |
| 02:39.31 | stoned | argh! fucking windows |
| 02:39.36 | m0rbid | gcbirzan |
| 02:39.39 | m0rbid | hell no |
| 02:39.40 | rahul | heh |
| 02:39.48 | m0rbid | I cant stand ubuntu. |
| 02:39.51 | m0rbid | its atoy |
| 02:39.54 | gcbirzan | Hey, now. |
| 02:40.01 | gcbirzan | Our boss's secretary is happy with it. |
| 02:40.03 | wastrel | ubuntu is the worst thing ever |
| 02:40.05 | jello | !start a distro war |
| 02:40.06 | dpkg | Knoppix 0wnz! |
| 02:40.21 | stoned | dpkg, go blow a donkey |
| 02:40.24 | m0rbid | and i am sure your boss is happy with your secretary. |
| 02:40.42 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: That I cannot tell you much about. :-P |
| 02:40.50 | m0rbid | sure you can, camera boy. |
| 02:40.52 | m0rbid | haha |
| 02:41.04 | stoned | I'd pay to see it if she looked half decent |
| 02:41.05 | stoned | does she? |
| 02:41.09 | gcbirzan | Yeah. |
| 02:41.09 | lindenle|home | !no start a distro war is <reply> Debian Rulz |
| 02:41.10 | dpkg | lindenle|home: okay |
| 02:41.11 | stoned | you know you can easily start a website |
| 02:41.16 | lindenle|home | !start a distro war |
| 02:41.17 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 02:41.28 | gcbirzan | stoned: With decent looking chicks that run Linux? :-P |
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| 02:41.44 | stoned | gcbirzan, dude, if you visit local lug meetings |
| 02:41.44 | gcbirzan | Well, doing other stuff, but, in their spare time, running Linux. |
| 02:41.46 | stoned | YEAH! |
| 02:42.06 | stoned | you run across cute girls who are linux nerds |
| 02:42.13 | stoned | its always nice to see that :) |
| 02:42.24 | gcbirzan | Yeah. But the only two I know are well on their way to marriage. :-P |
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| 02:42.34 | stoned | That can be a problem |
| 02:42.52 | stoned | but I mean really, what is marriage this day and age |
| 02:43.02 | stoned | I'm sure you can talk her into/out of it |
| 02:43.04 | lindenle|home | !off topic |
| 02:43.04 | wastrel | marriage |
| 02:43.05 | dpkg | Shut up, lindenle|home, you whore. keep to the topic. |
| 02:43.16 | stoned | burn |
| 02:43.20 | gcbirzan | For one, it would be her second. :-P |
| 02:43.27 | jetscreamer | marriage is what you amke of it |
| 02:43.30 | netdaemon | marriage is a legal binding saying you have to give the wife money |
| 02:43.41 | stoned | jetscreamer, if marriage didn't exist... would you invent it? |
| 02:43.51 | lindenle|home | nope |
| 02:43.55 | jetscreamer | sure... everybody should have a harem |
| 02:44.08 | stoned | jetscreamer, you would really go to your loved one and go "baby this shit we got here is so good, we can' tjust keep it to ourself. We GOTTa get the gov. in on this shit baby." |
| 02:44.09 | gcbirzan | Actually, I'm pretty sure that's not the case for her. Her SO is working for the same company I used to work... I doubt he has enough money for himself... :-P |
| 02:44.10 | stoned | would you? |
| 02:44.15 | stoned | i think not. |
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| 02:44.19 | linux_user400354 | i have the mic volume all the way up and mic boot 20 db, but the mic sound is still low. any ideas about that? |
| 02:44.50 | stoned | linux_user400354, does the mic itself have an volume adj. on it? |
| 02:44.54 | stoned | like HW wise? |
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| 02:45.11 | m0rbid | marraige sucks. |
| 02:45.19 | m0rbid | specially when your about to get divorced. |
| 02:45.29 | mezoko | when I try to modprobe fglrx, I get operation not promitted :-/ |
| 02:45.33 | m0rbid | you think your wallet hurts during marriage? Wait till you get divorced. |
| 02:45.39 | ozatomic | got big problem wiht trac in sarge it says clearsilver is not installed when it really is |
| 02:45.52 | gcbirzan | m0rbid: You mean, you're left with your wallet after you divorce? |
| 02:46.21 | stoned | afaik, you can't use modprobe without being root |
| 02:46.38 | mezoko | stoned, I'm root though :-/ |
| 02:46.48 | stoned | and if it doesn't let you modprobe that module with that error, I don't see how operation could not be permitted |
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| 02:47.18 | stoned | then again I know nothing of linux or computers |
| 02:47.22 | m0rbid | gcbirzan: whatever is left of it that is. |
| 02:47.23 | stoned | I'm just here chatting about offtopic stuff |
| 02:47.28 | gcbirzan | Anyway. Off to bed. Night. |
| 02:47.32 | cld2 | how do I do this. I have 2 lists of packages, sorted for uniqueness and in alphabetical order. one has 250 pkgs the other has 150. I need to find the different 100. but when I use diff it starts to spit out things because they are not on the same line in both lists. any ideas? thanks |
| 02:47.32 | m0rbid | gnite gcbirzan |
| 02:47.48 | rahul | layer gc |
| 02:47.49 | mezoko | grr I can't wait til I get a normal distro on this laptop |
| 02:47.52 | rahul | later |
| 02:47.55 | rahul | bleh! |
| 02:48.04 | stoned | mezoko, debian is normal |
| 02:48.15 | mezoko | stoned, not like gentoo |
| 02:48.19 | stoned | rahul, you indian |
| 02:48.24 | rahul | heh |
| 02:48.27 | stoned | rahul, no? |
| 02:48.27 | rahul | stoned: you canadian |
| 02:48.31 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:48.33 | stoned | rahul, oh god no |
| 02:48.37 | stoned | HAHAHA |
| 02:48.38 | rahul | heh |
| 02:48.38 | stoned | burn! |
| 02:48.40 | stoned | :D |
| 02:48.40 | cld2 | dutch? |
| 02:48.43 | mezoko | stoned, I'm one of those people that like to go not follow distro specfic stuff |
| 02:49.03 | stoned | mezoko, debian > all else |
| 02:49.10 | stoned | thats not an opinion |
| 02:49.13 | stoned | its a well known fact |
| 02:49.14 | jello | cld2: cat list1 list2 | sort | uniq -u |
| 02:49.15 | stoned | :) |
| 02:49.21 | mezoko | thought I atemptted to follow a guide, and had no luck |
| 02:49.32 | mezoko | stoned, when I have such a hard time installing ati drivers, that statments in false |
| 02:49.44 | cld2 | jello: by god man. thank you... brilliant. |
| 02:49.55 | stoned | mezoko, thats why we're here |
| 02:49.57 | jello | cld2: uniq(1) is your friend... :) |
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| 02:50.14 | stoned | mezoko, however, _I_ never used ATI |
| 02:50.20 | mezoko | well I don't see anyone with any soultions to my problem :( |
| 02:50.22 | stoned | mezoko, if you need nvidia support I'm your man |
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| 02:50.58 | jello | cld2: that will give you the intersection of the two lists |
| 02:51.00 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 02:51.00 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 02:51.11 | stoned | mezoko, does that help? |
| 02:51.20 | jello | cld2: that is, anything in list1 not in list2 AND anything in list2 not in list1 |
| 02:51.36 | mezoko | stoned, thats what I did |
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| 02:51.53 | stoned | mezoko, you're gonna have to wait for someone familiar with ATI |
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| 02:52.39 | mezoko | :( |
| 02:53.31 | jello | mezoko: what's the problem? |
| 02:53.34 | cld2 | jello: so it shows me packages that are only in one of the 2 lists |
| 02:53.44 | jello | cld2: exactly |
| 02:53.49 | mezoko | jello, I get permsission denied as root trying to load fglrx model |
| 02:54.08 | jello | mezoko: did you run `depmod -a`? |
| 02:54.17 | mezoko | jello, yes |
| 02:54.18 | mezoko | hmm dmesg says, fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
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| 02:54.32 | cld2 | jello: thanks much - how come this works different then a sort -u? because thats showing me the entire list of both just minus the duplicates? |
| 02:54.37 | jello | cld2: if you want to exclude one of the lists, name it twice in the arguments to cat |
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| 02:54.58 | jello | cld2: sort -u == sort | uniq |
| 02:55.05 | jello | cld2: without the -u to uniq |
| 02:55.06 | mezoko | it also says something about maximum meain memory to use for locked ma buggers: 430 MBytes |
| 02:55.30 | cld2 | jello: thanks again. this is great stuff. |
| 02:55.40 | blahdeblah_ | What are some good tools for diagnosing file system concurrency performance problems? |
| 02:55.55 | jello | blahdeblah_: which filesystem? |
| 02:55.59 | blahdeblah_ | ext3 |
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| 02:56.18 | linux_user400354 | stoned: The mic does not have a volume adjustment on it |
| 02:56.41 | jello | blahdeblah_: hmm, are you sure it's not filesystem not the hardware? |
| 02:56.56 | blahdeblah_ | Yep - checked that with hdparm (and RAID 1 resyncs) |
| 02:56.57 | mezoko | jello, any idea? |
| 02:57.14 | jello | mezoko: did you run that error through google? |
| 02:57.51 | mezoko | yeah |
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| 02:58.28 | blahdeblah_ | jello: I've just done a major hardware upgrade of my desktop, and switched from reiser3 to ext3 in the process, |
| 02:58.28 | blahdeblah_ | and whenever i try to read from the disk while another process is writing it pauses for long periods - even just simple things like df. |
| 02:58.42 | stoned | linux_user400354, in alsamixergui checkout the mic booste +20 |
| 02:58.51 | stoned | that might help |
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| 02:59.39 | stoned | download audacity and try recording into the mic with it, use that to adjust volumes. There is mic, mic booste, and mic input level in audacity. I record on my home pc, songs/instrumtents and such |
| 02:59.53 | stoned | these are all the options I know of to check for when the mic/line-in needs to be messed with |
| 02:59.59 | jello | mezoko: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=104918&page=7&pp=15 seemed similar |
| 03:00.48 | jello | jjazz: irssi |
| 03:00.58 | jello | blahdeblah_: hmm |
| 03:01.41 | mezoko | jello, doesn't seem to provide a solution, and i know these drivers work |
| 03:01.43 | blahdeblah_ | jello: Exactly |
| 03:01.46 | mezoko | oh ati drivers work |
| 03:01.50 | mezoko | s/oh/or |
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| 03:02.09 | jjazz | jello: That's what I currently use. I'm just wondering if binding irc more tightly to emacs will improve my life |
| 03:02.18 | jello | blahdeblah_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | jjazz: how is that possible? |
| 03:03.36 | jjazz | abrotman: I keep getting sucked deeper into emacs. |
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| 03:04.04 | jello | blahdeblah_: also, i think there was something on alioth |
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| 03:04.57 | abrotman | jjazz: maybe you could write an OO IRC client ? |
| 03:05.04 | jello | blahdeblah_: nevermind, that was for prog. langs |
| 03:05.25 | JerJer | i am trying to go from Sarge to Unsable and got the Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? question - If i say no the dist-upgrade process exits |
| 03:06.09 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't want to write a new client. I want a client that writes itself. I'm sure there's an elisp routine to do that. |
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| 03:06.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:07.44 | JerJer | anybody have any ideas on what I should do with my kernel upgrade issue? |
| 03:08.04 | jjazz | JerJer: Have you considered the merits of saying "yes"? |
| 03:08.11 | jello | JerJer: check the release notes? |
| 03:08.16 | jjazz | JerJer: (just kidding. please don't say yes) |
| 03:08.20 | jello | JerJer: for etch |
| 03:08.20 | JerJer | jjazz: this is a remote machine |
| 03:08.20 | mezoko | Just one more week |
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| 03:08.37 | JerJer | i wouldn't have a problem hosing things if i were local to it |
| 03:08.41 | malt | yo does tar save permissions |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | JerJer: you have to do it |
| 03:08.58 | jello | malt: if you ask nicely, see tar(1) |
| 03:09.12 | JerJer | abrotman: ok - any other steps not covered by apt that I will need to perform before rebooting ? |
| 03:09.29 | abrotman | JerJer: hopefully not ? |
| 03:09.51 | JerJer | the warning message says something about needing kernel modules too |
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| 03:10.15 | Draconicus | I need libraries for OpenGL that will allow WINE to have OpenGL and Direct3D support. #winehq can't help me with this part because it is speicific to the packages on this distro. I've installed every development package for opengl that I can find, and still it doesn't see any libraries for it. |
| 03:10.24 | JerJer | well worse case is a monkey at server beach will have to be called :) |
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| 03:10.30 | JerJer | here goez nuffin |
| 03:12.01 | blahdeblah_ | JerJer: Why not install a new kernel from sid before doing the dist-upgrade? |
| 03:12.22 | jello | Draconicus: which release? |
| 03:12.30 | jello | Draconicus: sarge? etch? sid? |
| 03:12.33 | Draconicus | Etch |
| 03:12.38 | JerJer | blahdeblah_: perhaps |
| 03:13.00 | jello | Draconicus: libglu1-mesa-dev |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | or he could do it the way he's supposed to |
| 03:13.06 | blahdeblah_ | JerJer: (or backports.org, if that makes the dependencies less) |
| 03:13.17 | abrotman | it's a udev issue |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | afaik anyways |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | JerJer: i did it .. you'll be fine .. make sure there's a kernel there before you reboot |
| 03:13.46 | JerJer | abrotman: yep - checked that |
| 03:13.46 | Draconicus | jello: It's installed. |
| 03:13.49 | JerJer | big thanks |
| 03:13.52 | Draconicus | jello: I still have the problem. |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | JerJer: maybe check your bootloader |
| 03:13.59 | jello | Draconicus: why aren't you using the packaged wine? |
| 03:14.17 | Draconicus | jello: Because it's outdated. |
| 03:14.36 | jello | Draconicus: what error do you get? |
| 03:14.48 | jello | Draconicus: maybe check the packaging of wine to see how they do it? |
| 03:14.56 | JerJer | bottled wine tastes better |
| 03:14.58 | Draconicus | It's not packaging. It's source. |
| 03:15.03 | jello | Draconicus: or simply do apt-get build-dep wine |
| 03:15.23 | Draconicus | jello: In the configure: WARNING: No OpenGL library found on this system. |
| 03:15.41 | jello | Draconicus: you probably need some configure option to tell it where it is |
| 03:16.01 | jello | Draconicus: that's why i'm telling you to check the packaging |
| 03:16.14 | jello | Draconicus: they've likely already dealt with this |
| 03:16.52 | wastrel | glxinfo | grep render |
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| 03:17.29 | jello | !find bin/glxinfo etch |
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| 03:17.40 | abrotman | mesa-utils |
| 03:17.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils. |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 03:17.55 | wastrel | yay! |
| 03:17.58 | jello | heh |
| 03:18.32 | Draconicus | I wonder if I'm the only one in here besides abrotman who can comfortably use both Debian and Ubuntu without eating my own socks. |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | i don't use ubuntu |
| 03:18.49 | gravity | um |
| 03:18.50 | Draconicus | Really? I've seen you in there.. |
| 03:18.52 | Draconicus | I thought.. |
| 03:18.56 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:18.58 | stoned | he uses gnome |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | twice .. for five minutes each ? |
| 03:19.04 | unseensoul | what's the difference between IMAP and POP? |
| 03:19.05 | stoned | i don't see how its different |
| 03:19.10 | wastrel | i have debian and ubuntu |
| 03:19.10 | pipeline | I ate my socks once. |
| 03:19.17 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: 5 minutes is enough to become contaminated |
| 03:19.23 | gravity | Better socks than cocks |
| 03:19.30 | wastrel | imap = leave the messages on the server pop = download the messages |
| 03:19.31 | stoned | lol |
| 03:19.40 | dondelelcaro | gravity: dunno, eating chickens is quite tastey |
| 03:19.44 | gravity | dondelelcaro: ;-) |
| 03:19.59 | unseensoul | wastrel, thank you ;) |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i washed in bleach after each exposure |
| 03:20.14 | dendrite | unseensoul: POP is a very simple, basic protocol. IMAP has more features, such as the concept of folders, and keeping messages on the server, and allowing multiple users into a single account's mail. |
| 03:20.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and replaced your eyeballs too? ;-) |
| 03:20.27 | gravity | THE GNOME! IT BURNS SOMEHOW! |
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| 03:20.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: of course! |
| 03:20.47 | dondelelcaro | BUT THE GNOME STILL BURNS... |
| 03:20.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and purged all memory of any read content from the channel :) |
| 03:21.03 | unseensoul | dendrite, thank you :D |
| 03:21.05 | wastrel | i have gnome |
| 03:21.07 | stoned | dondelelcaro, have not spoken with you in a while. What did you think of the Classical Indian music I showed you? |
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| 03:21.13 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it was pretty cool |
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| 03:21.30 | Draconicus | Silly Debian peoples. Ubuntu's the quick and dirty way... well... it has codecs and junk to worry about, but if you want to throw together a system for a newbie to use and not stress yourself over it, Ubuntu is the way to go, I think. It's just like Debian with less options and more simplification, you might say... and a weirder repository system. :P |
| 03:21.41 | stoned | I love that |
| 03:21.44 | stoned | silly debian peoples |
| 03:21.45 | smacnay | is there an rss reader for use in console? |
| 03:21.45 | stoned | lol |
| 03:21.54 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: less? ;-) |
| 03:22.07 | Draconicus | Silly Debian peoples, Ubuntu is for humans! |
| 03:22.11 | Draconicus | (joke) |
| 03:22.12 | jello | smacnay: snownews |
| 03:22.23 | jello | [shameless plug] |
| 03:22.30 | Draconicus | I'm glad to be back on Debian. |
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| 03:22.49 | Draconicus | Easy as Ubuntu in terms of packages and with more control in my part. |
| 03:22.58 | Draconicus | Li'l more work, though. :P |
| 03:23.02 | wastrel | hi Draconicus |
| 03:23.06 | Draconicus | Hi. |
| 03:23.19 | jello | Draconicus: with power comes responsibility... |
| 03:23.25 | Draconicus | And cookies? |
| 03:23.28 | Draconicus | Does it come with cookies? |
| 03:23.55 | rahul | brownies are better |
| 03:23.55 | asg | hookers and blow |
| 03:23.55 | Alam_Debian | in the gnome file open menu, its keep "auto-tab" the file path, how can I stop this? |
| 03:23.57 | rahul | heh |
| 03:23.59 | stoned | modem |
| 03:24.04 | rahul | mmm peppermint brownies |
| 03:24.13 | jello | $ apt-cache search cookie | wc -l |
| 03:24.13 | jello | 90 |
| 03:24.19 | jello | Draconicus: apparently, yes |
| 03:24.31 | Draconicus | rahul: Ooh. That sounds tasty. I must find a recipte. |
| 03:24.33 | Draconicus | -t |
| 03:24.47 | Draconicus | jello: Yaaaaay! Cookies. ^_^ |
| 03:24.49 | rahul | Draconicus: just put peppermint patties in the middle of the brownies |
| 03:24.54 | Draconicus | Ooh. |
| 03:25.02 | rahul | one layer of batter, a layer of patties, and another layer of batter |
| 03:25.11 | Draconicus | Sounds nummeh. |
| 03:25.17 | jjazz | rahul: Then deep fry the entire pan |
| 03:25.21 | rahul | at least, the mom of the singer from mile marker zero had them and they tasted good |
| 03:25.22 | jello | don't evern have to go that far, just add a dash of peppermint extract to your brownie mix... |
| 03:25.25 | Draconicus | OY! It still doesn't see my OpenGL libs! |
| 03:25.26 | rahul | er made them |
| 03:25.38 | rahul | jello: but, this is so much better than that! |
| 03:25.39 | stoned | I've always been partial to debian.. Its not a bandwagon issue. I have given Ubuntu plenty of oppertunities. It just never really did it for me. If it works for you have at it, but this is #debian |
| 03:25.45 | stoned | Last I checked. |
| 03:26.13 | wastrel | iphone |
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| 03:26.26 | jjazz | stoned: My entire office is ubuntu. Strangely, everybody who runs GNU runs Debian at home. |
| 03:26.39 | stoned | jjazz, blashpemer :) |
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| 03:26.42 | rahul | Draconicus: you'll confuse the poor sod |
| 03:26.46 | wastrel | runs GNU ? |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | i'm a bat! |
| 03:26.58 | stoned | damn bats |
| 03:27.00 | stoned | :D |
| 03:27.04 | jjazz | wastrel: Yes, as in the GNU tools and the OS built around them. |
| 03:27.17 | rahul | damn bots |
| 03:27.33 | wastrel | jjazz: debian at home, ubuntu in the office |
| 03:27.50 | jello | even the hot secretary?? |
| 03:27.50 | Draconicus | I just wanna play Half-Life mods where you launch screaming exploding scientists out of a handheld weapon. Is that so much to ask? |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | asg: pull your pants up |
| 03:28.10 | asg | abrotman: are you the killer of giants? |
| 03:28.17 | abrotman | am not! |
| 03:28.24 | wastrel | 12 with one blow |
| 03:28.26 | asg | abrotman: mr. crowley? |
| 03:28.45 | Draconicus | The stone is cheese! He lies! |
| 03:28.51 | rahul | dude, I have an awesome cover of mr. crowley |
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| 03:29.01 | rahul | malmsteen and owens. |
| 03:29.07 | Draconicus | Oooh. |
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| 03:29.10 | abrotman | asg: how would you like to hear the REM cover of Radar Love ? |
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| 03:29.14 | Draconicus | Malmsteen..... |
| 03:29.17 | asg | abrotman: love to, love to |
| 03:29.17 | Miesco | What calendar program should I use? cal, remind, or another? |
| 03:29.21 | Draconicus | Anyhoo. |
| 03:29.27 | jjazz | Miesco: emacs diary |
| 03:29.31 | jjazz | and planner |
| 03:29.33 | asg | Miesco: vi ~/shit-to-do-in-to-future.txt |
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| 03:29.49 | Miesco | jjazz: Okay |
| 03:29.51 | jello | vi ~/TODO |
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| 03:30.08 | crn | asg, ha ha! |
| 03:30.16 | asg | jello: nah, that's the task list |
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| 03:30.45 | wastrel | calendar program |
| 03:30.54 | wastrel | like evolution? |
| 03:30.56 | Miesco | jjazz: Whats the packag ename? |
| 03:31.08 | abrotman | Miesco: Sunbird? |
| 03:31.17 | wastrel | sunbird eh does it sync with palm? |
| 03:31.20 | Miesco | wastrel: No, not a MUA or whatever just a calendar program |
| 03:31.27 | jjazz | Miesco: planner-el for planner |
| 03:31.33 | wastrel | evo isn't a mua, it's a pim |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | stop with the emacs wanking! |
| 03:31.43 | jjazz | Miesco: tdiary-mode for diary |
| 03:31.46 | wastrel | "groupware" ecch |
| 03:32.01 | jello | MS Outlook? |
| 03:32.03 | sunway | acpi doesn's recognize the lid event |
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| 03:32.16 | toymachine | is there a good howto to enable UserDir's with debian and the debian default apache |
| 03:32.26 | jjazz | sunway: That's probably a good thing. |
| 03:32.37 | abrotman | there's the Lightning plugin for tbird |
| 03:32.42 | sunway | jjazz: why |
| 03:32.54 | jello | toymachine: iirc, it's in the config file, just commented out... |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | i think it's something to be enabled |
| 03:33.21 | jjazz | sunway: Lots of laptops don't sleep well. Lid goes down, laptop goes to sleep (or hibernate or whatever), lid goes up, laptop doesn't wake reliably. |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | a2ensite or something weird |
| 03:33.33 | jjazz | sunway: If all you want is screen-blanking, let the bios handle that. |
| 03:34.00 | abrotman | or use a black screensaver ... |
| 03:34.12 | rahul | xset dpms... |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 03:34.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 03:34.45 | rahul | and setterm |
| 03:35.01 | sunway | jjazz: i just wonder why it doesnt recognize the event |
| 03:35.27 | sunway | jjazz: powerbtn is well recognized |
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| 03:35.32 | jjazz | sunway: How do you know it's not recognizing the event? |
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| 03:36.06 | marcz908 | what is the name of that program that runs during a debian install that lets you select packages? |
| 03:36.06 | stoned | rahul, your nick is a name in hindi. your nick backwards in hindi/urdu means .. "ironman"? or one of those people who make thigns out of iron. Like a blacksmith, but without weapons. |
| 03:36.16 | stoned | just random fact. |
| 03:36.20 | sunway | jjazz: the user-defined shell script isn't called when i close the lid |
| 03:36.31 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 03:36.32 | rahul | heh |
| 03:36.39 | stoned | rahul, you knew that? |
| 03:36.42 | jjazz | sunway: /etc/acpi/lid? |
| 03:36.42 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:36.47 | stoned | well fine then |
| 03:36.55 | wastrel | farrier is a person who shoes horses |
| 03:37.05 | sunway | jjazz: /etc/acpi/lid.sh is the script |
| 03:37.07 | wastrel | blacksmiths don't necessarily make weapons |
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| 03:37.12 | abrotman | marcz908: tasksel, aptitude, dselect |
| 03:37.13 | stoned | rahul, how did you know that? |
| 03:37.14 | rahul | courier is a person who horses shoes |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | marcz908: synaptic |
| 03:37.18 | rahul | stoned: because it's true |
| 03:37.24 | jjazz | sunway: Yeah, that should be running. If it's not, I couldn't tell you why. |
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| 03:37.39 | stoned | rahul, huh? |
| 03:37.46 | stoned | abrotman, I love Xming |
| 03:37.47 | rahul | !confuse stoned |
| 03:37.47 | jjazz | stoned: rahul knows all true things. |
| 03:37.48 | dpkg | No, them was my gerbil today, stoned? lederhosen of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 03:37.55 | sunway | jjazz: cat /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn event=button[ /]lid |
| 03:37.56 | sunway | action=/etc/acpi/lid.s |
| 03:38.03 | stoned | jjazz, but truth is relative |
| 03:38.18 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 03:38.20 | jjazz | stoned: and my relatives lie. Oh the humanity! |
| 03:38.23 | stoned | I think so. |
| 03:38.29 | sunway | jjazz: thanks all the same. |
| 03:38.31 | Miesco | jjazz: Whats tdiary? |
| 03:38.33 | jjazz | sunway: np |
| 03:38.37 | abrotman | wouldn't the truth be absolute ? |
| 03:38.38 | rahul | stoned: so given context, you can determine truth |
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| 03:38.49 | jjazz | Miesco: forget tdiary |
| 03:38.50 | abrotman | we should ask a lawyer |
| 03:39.01 | rahul | lawyers don't care about truth |
| 03:39.06 | jjazz | rahul: That's not true. |
| 03:39.10 | rahul | they care about legality |
| 03:39.16 | jjazz | rahul: That's like saying scultors don't care about clay. |
| 03:39.23 | jjazz | sculptors, even |
| 03:39.41 | Miesco | jjazz: How come? |
| 03:39.46 | wastrel | not all sculptors use clay |
| 03:40.01 | jjazz | Miesco: because it's the wrong package. I mislead you. |
| 03:40.03 | stoned | so if it is dependant on the context, and the intelligence level of the one determining it, then truth is not an absolute univeral. As such, it can be only one other thing, which is relative. That much is absolute. So you see, its like chasing tail. |
| 03:40.05 | geo-rge | some use c4 |
| 03:40.08 | stoned | er.., chasing your own tail. |
| 03:40.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:40.10 | rahul | well, they don't care to define "truth" it's more about what the law allows and what judges will allow and how that relates to what they know about what happened |
| 03:40.17 | Miesco | jjazz: Okay |
| 03:40.21 | rahul | haha |
| 03:40.27 | rahul | stoned: no, it is like chasing tail |
| 03:40.31 | stoned | lol |
| 03:40.46 | rahul | stoned: at the end of the day, it's just you sleeping in your bed |
| 03:40.56 | stoned | or someone else's bed |
| 03:40.58 | jjazz | Miesco: you want planner, diary and planner-diary |
| 03:41.01 | stoned | sometimes I crash out on the couch |
| 03:41.03 | rahul | heh |
| 03:41.10 | stoned | but I know what you mean |
| 03:41.25 | jjazz | Miesco: I'm not sure what packages they're in, but they're all packaged, so if you have emacs21, planner-el and maybe the goodies package, you should have them. |
| 03:41.26 | rahul | frigging romanian chicks |
| 03:41.33 | stoned | omg |
| 03:41.36 | stoned | dude |
| 03:41.42 | rahul | where's my car? |
| 03:41.43 | stoned | my neighbour upstaris she is from romania |
| 03:41.47 | rahul | heh |
| 03:41.48 | stoned | she is HOT |
| 03:41.55 | stoned | I mean totally 100% woman |
| 03:42.16 | rahul | haven't I shown you pics of this one? |
| 03:42.19 | stoned | but she makes a lot of noise upstairs and sometimes it wakes me up cuz she works late |
| 03:42.32 | rahul | she makes a lot of noise when she works huh |
| 03:42.33 | jjazz | stoned: You have low standards for hotness. |
| 03:42.48 | stoned | jjazz, you don't know my standards. |
| 03:43.03 | jjazz | stoned: If all it takes is 100% woman, I'd say that's pretty low. |
| 03:43.12 | stoned | jjazz, and why would I say something like that |
| 03:43.18 | rahul | heh |
| 03:43.26 | stoned | jjazz, to hear such unusual terms for a hot woman, can only mean one thing |
| 03:43.28 | jjazz | stoned: I don't know. Why did you? :P |
| 03:43.33 | stoned | NOT to be taken literally or something |
| 03:43.49 | rahul | http://myspace-922.vo.llnwd.net/00807/22/93/807653922_l.jpg |
| 03:44.02 | rahul | http://myspace-279.vo.llnwd.net/00807/97/26/807646279_l.jpg |
| 03:44.07 | stoned | when someone says WHOAH, 100% woman!, thas like saying whoah dude, that is phat > other chics |
| 03:44.08 | stoned | etc. |
| 03:44.29 | jjazz | stoned: Relax, I'm just breaking your stones. |
| 03:44.36 | rahul | heh |
| 03:44.55 | stoned | you can't break my stones, you're just another irc person |
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| 03:45.10 | stoned | but really, thats what it means |
| 03:45.17 | jjazz | stoned: So I gathered. |
| 03:45.45 | jjazz | rahul: That second picture is cool, except that with the plane background and the two white strands, I thought it was an ipood ad at first. |
| 03:46.01 | rahul | she is all the ipod I need |
| 03:46.09 | stoned | its pretty cool, but annoying and her bf is a tool. so what I do now, is that I put on prawn when I go to sleep, turn off my monitors, and put in my ear plugs. They hear sounds of fornication all night long. |
| 03:46.20 | stoned | lets see how they like that. I hate getting woken up by noise, it pisses me off |
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| 03:47.20 | rahul | jjazz: I think we've decided to call that picture "Air Julia" |
| 03:47.33 | jjazz | rahul: Is her name Julia? |
| 03:47.36 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:47.40 | jjazz | Is she a dancer? |
| 03:47.41 | stoned | rahul, your woman? |
| 03:47.51 | rahul | heh, she's not exactly mine, yet :) |
| 03:47.53 | rahul | jjazz: singer |
| 03:48.06 | jjazz | It's a cool photo. |
| 03:48.07 | stoned | shes alright man |
| 03:48.14 | stoned | pretty alright |
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| 03:48.33 | rahul | I wish I had a pic of her from the galaparty #1 |
| 03:48.39 | rahul | she looked great that night |
| 03:48.55 | stoned | wow, no one has asked any debian questions in a while |
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| 03:49.23 | abrotman | you wouldn't have noticed |
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| 03:50.20 | jjazz | So, uh... when's Etch go stable? |
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| 03:50.38 | lindenle|home | df -h |
| 03:50.48 | lindenle|home | oops sorry |
| 03:51.44 | geo-rge | rahul: what kinda stuff does she sing? |
| 03:51.51 | rahul | geo-rge: it's progressive metal |
| 03:52.03 | rahul | they describe it as bjork+tool |
| 03:52.05 | stoned | oh god no |
| 03:52.15 | stoned | like that evanecnsnejqwkejr junk? |
| 03:52.24 | rahul | stoned: no, evanecense is nu-metal |
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| 03:52.28 | stoned | if she can sing good, she should sing good musi |
| 03:52.42 | rahul | prog is totally different |
| 03:52.44 | stoned | rahul, what kinda sound? got a song? mp3? anything |
| 03:52.47 | geo-rge | stoned: or she should do what she wants :) |
| 03:52.53 | rahul | stoned: www.myspace.com/metalkpretty |
| 03:52.59 | stoned | rahul, I understand progressive. That is _all_ I do |
| 03:53.21 | rahul | although they sound much better live now than in those recordings |
| 03:53.35 | rahul | they got a new kick-ass bassist and they've had the rigors of being on tour |
| 03:54.05 | stoned | thats cool |
| 03:54.11 | stoned | it sounds really cool |
| 03:54.20 | geo-rge | the bassist does sound pretty good |
| 03:54.23 | rahul | it's similar to early lacuna coil |
| 03:54.34 | stoned | I saw a list of the influences also. I can't dig this kind of music |
| 03:54.34 | rahul | geo-rge: the one you're hearing is the one that wasn't that good :) |
| 03:54.50 | rahul | can or can't? heh |
| 03:54.55 | Draconicus | What happened to winecfg? |
| 03:54.56 | stoned | can not. |
| 03:54.56 | rahul | !flip-flop stoned |
| 03:54.59 | rahul | ok |
| 03:55.10 | geo-rge | no recordings with the new bass? |
| 03:55.18 | rahul | geo-rge: no, they're working on a new album |
| 03:55.26 | abrotman | isn't it tkwinecfg now ? |
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| 03:55.39 | rahul | more heavy, more melodic. the new bassist is bringing some new ideas in |
| 03:55.42 | Draconicus | Your WINE package is disgusting. Just thought I'd let you know. :( |
| 03:55.46 | GeorgeS069 | wow...playing at Grape st....might have to swing by |
| 03:55.50 | rahul | although they did a punk/dance number recently |
| 03:55.59 | geo-rge | Draconicus: is it in non-free? |
| 03:56.02 | Draconicus | I'd be lucky to play solitaire with this, let alone Half-Life... no winecfg... |
| 03:56.14 | Draconicus | Eh. Knowing this distro it probably is. |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: in philly ? |
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| 03:56.15 | Draconicus | Nevermind. |
| 03:56.24 | stoned | my influences are umm.. Spawn of Possession, Necrophagist, Death, Morbid Angel, Tool, Pink Floyd, Tool, 311, Bush, Centinex, Pantera, Machine Head, Fear Factory, etc. etc. |
| 03:56.25 | GeorgeS069 | just outside of Philly |
| 03:56.25 | rahul | yeah 2 gigs in philly coming up |
| 03:56.36 | stoned | slayer definitely |
| 03:56.36 | loupgaroublond | hey guys |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: i know where it is :) |
| 03:56.47 | GeorgeS069 | norristown |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: i work in KoP :) |
| 03:56.56 | stoned | thats what I mostly enjoy but I listen to all sorts of stuff |
| 03:57.04 | loupgaroublond | has there ever been any thoughts to a Debian/Colinux? |
| 03:57.07 | GeorgeS069 | cool |
| 03:57.12 | stoned | yes |
| 03:57.16 | stoned | I have some thoughts on it |
| 03:57.26 | loupgaroublond | (windows hate aside) |
| 03:57.35 | stoned | it works great |
| 03:57.38 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: i often think `why bother, when you can just run debian as-is?' |
| 03:57.46 | stoned | if it werent for xming, I'd probably use it |
| 03:58.02 | stoned | colinux is great, however networking lags (at least for me) |
| 03:58.15 | malt | is VNC hard to install? |
| 03:58.19 | malt | on debian |
| 03:58.22 | stoned | not at all |
| 03:58.26 | stoned | quite trivial |
| 03:58.30 | Guerin | malt: nothing in debain is hard to install |
| 03:58.32 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, i'm not even gonna answer that question, because if debian runs as is on x86, why run it on PPC? |
| 03:58.36 | Guerin | that's the whole point of debian |
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| 03:58.43 | GeorgeS069 | I did it so VNC can't be very difficult |
| 03:58.43 | malt | like does it read by linux accounts like most software does? |
| 03:58.56 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: you might own ppc hardware, but not x86? |
| 03:59.03 | loupgaroublond | stoned, well, i was thinking of setting up something to add a 'debian' menu into the start menu, that calls up xapps with plink |
| 03:59.05 | rahul | "read by linux accounts"? |
| 03:59.13 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: if you're going to make an analogy, at least make a decent one. |
| 03:59.24 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, yeah, and i use windows, for a number of reasons |
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| 03:59.43 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: you have my condolences. |
| 04:00.07 | dondelelcaro | hell, you could be wierd, and run Debian on multiple architectures |
| 04:00.07 | stoned | loupgaroublond, I don't know plink. |
| 04:00.10 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, and skype developement lags in linux.... |
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| 04:00.48 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: skype is just pretty packaging and obfuscation around h.323 anyhow |
| 04:00.56 | stoned | I have a powerbook 3400c and it runs great. mac os on it was very slow compared to debian |
| 04:01.02 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: what it does for free has been possible for years in free software |
| 04:01.26 | Guerin | calling landlines for cheap: that's a service, not a product |
| 04:01.46 | abrotman | ekiga! |
| 04:01.47 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, might be, but if i want to call my friends over skype, i can't convince all of them to install the latest free software all the time, and i'm not any sort of free software fundamentalist |
| 04:02.08 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: no need. netmeeting has been installed on every windows machine since 95. |
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| 04:02.12 | loupgaroublond | i'd rather just figure out how i can do all sorts of random things instead of questioning how i do it |
| 04:02.14 | abrotman | isn't there a #skype ? |
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| 04:02.25 | abrotman | Guerin: actually .. i think it's gone in the newest :) |
| 04:02.41 | Guerin | abrotman: mm, true, it's out of pista. |
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| 04:02.44 | Andymeows | Hi, Do I need to download all the cds for debian, or just the first to install it? |
| 04:02.49 | loupgaroublond | the question i have is how i can i make the debian colinux experience better, not lets be critical for using windows |
| 04:02.51 | Guerin | abrotman: just one. |
| 04:02.53 | rahul | penixsta. |
| 04:02.56 | Guerin | Andymeows: just one. |
| 04:02.58 | maddash | andymeows: first |
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| 04:03.07 | Andymeows | Thanks everyone |
| 04:03.34 | zood_ | Hey folks, I can't seem to get my microphone to record anything. I've fiddled with alsamixer and tried recording with arecord but I just get silence in the recordings. Any recommendations? |
| 04:03.52 | loupgaroublond | so i'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with colinux + debian + xming |
| 04:03.54 | abrotman | still ? |
| 04:03.56 | Guerin | zood_: capture levels tend to be muted by default, to prevent feedback. |
| 04:04.01 | stoned | I run windows on desktop cuz I do games and such. I run my laptop in xming export kdm session etc. where all my daily use apps are. I gave everything a shot, but colinux turns out slow, virtualization is too slow. Noting beats another machine with debian on it. |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | zood_: hit f[12345] in alsamixer to check |
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| 04:04.46 | geo-rge | stoned: if you listen to everything, search google for "got tuh b" (with quotes) |
| 04:04.48 | GeorgeS069 | that sucked |
| 04:04.50 | loupgaroublond | stoned, i'm just looking for an easy way to run emacs in linux with a linux based common-lisp |
| 04:05.05 | Guerin | you have trouble running emacs in linux? |
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| 04:05.14 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, not quite.... |
| 04:05.17 | lnast | loupgaroublond: why linux? |
| 04:05.20 | Guerin | i presume you mean gnu/linux |
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| 04:05.32 | stoned | loupgaroublond, colinux will do the job. its just that the networking is a bit slow. |
| 04:05.52 | geo-rge | loupgaroublond: you want to replace the lisp engine? |
| 04:06.01 | stoned | loupgaroublond, or a free debian image with virtual pc from MS which is now free or wmware player with a free debian image |
| 04:06.12 | stoned | it will all work, just chose whatever you want |
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| 04:06.29 | loupgaroublond | stoned, yeah, i know, i've got it working already, i jsut got an idea for making it more integrated into the desktop |
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| 04:07.14 | loupgaroublond | but i seem to have problems with people that assume that because i run windows, i have problems runing my machine |
| 04:07.28 | stoned | lets not go down that road |
| 04:07.45 | loupgaroublond | fair enough |
| 04:07.51 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:08.03 | jjazz | loupgaroublond: windows's limitations are problematic for most users. It's not a bad assumption in 90% of cases. |
| 04:08.10 | lnast | isn't emacs in cygwin? or is it missing something? |
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| 04:08.26 | loupgaroublond | jjazz, yeah, that's why i run colinux, for that last 10% |
| 04:08.31 | rahul | loupgaroublond: just use lispbox! |
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| 04:08.32 | rahul | wtf |
| 04:08.37 | loupgaroublond | lnast, yes it is, i don't like cygwin |
| 04:08.51 | rahul | lnast: that won't give him a lisp compiler, tho |
| 04:08.52 | loupgaroublond | rahul, i tried it |
| 04:08.55 | lnast | i don't understand the need for the 'in linux' part of 'emacs in linux' |
| 04:08.59 | rahul | he'd have to use clisp |
| 04:09.03 | kakalto | approx how big is a default debian etch +kde install? 5gb? |
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| 04:09.11 | stoned | loupgaroublond, your got $50? |
| 04:09.15 | stoned | you* |
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| 04:09.24 | Guerin | kakalto: less than 500MB |
| 04:09.28 | loupgaroublond | stoned, for what? allegro? |
| 04:09.31 | rahul | loupgaroublond: and sbcl and cmucl do quite a bit of funky memory management, so virtualization might have issues |
| 04:09.44 | Guerin | kakalto: if you get all the trimmings it's still way less than 5G |
| 04:09.45 | rahul | you might poke out strange bugs |
| 04:09.54 | rahul | loupgaroublond: have you tried sbcl/win32? |
| 04:10.06 | stoned | loupgaroublond, nah, a cheap little pentium machine,, just the box. install debian on it |
| 04:10.19 | geo-rge | and elisp uses dirty pointers, which could have unknown effects on certain processors and virtual machines |
| 04:10.26 | loupgaroublond | i was thinking something along the lines of a one click install for debian and colinux, that also puts in the debian menu inside the start menu |
| 04:10.44 | loupgaroublond | stoned, because carrying a single laptop around is my *only* option |
| 04:10.53 | stoned | ah hmm |
| 04:10.56 | rahul | loupgaroublond: what kind of software are you writing? |
| 04:11.03 | rahul | loupgaroublond: do you really need more than clisp, even? |
| 04:11.08 | loupgaroublond | rahul, no, i heard it wasn't complete, not to mention the postgresql server is running on linux for server management |
| 04:11.23 | rahul | loupgaroublond: it runs common lisp code. |
| 04:11.32 | loupgaroublond | rahul, because i want to see if i can do it my way |
| 04:11.50 | Guerin | i still don't get what this all has to do with debian? |
| 04:11.57 | geo-rge | it's only burger king in your own world :P |
| 04:11.59 | Guerin | seems to be 100% colinux |
| 04:11.59 | rahul | yeah, I'm lost... |
| 04:12.02 | kakalto | Guerin: uhm. kde in itself is atleast 100 mb, isn't it? |
| 04:12.08 | loupgaroublond | because no one is listening |
| 04:12.23 | loupgaroublond | and i guess none of you ever use the debian menu system |
| 04:12.24 | Guerin | kakalto: kde isn't anything like default in debian |
| 04:12.43 | geo-rge | loupgaroublond: bad guess |
| 04:13.26 | jjazz | I've never liked the Debian menu thing |
| 04:13.33 | loupgaroublond | i have |
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| 04:13.53 | kakalto | Guerin: it's all split up or?+ |
| 04:13.55 | loupgaroublond | so i have a handful of random xapps i like to use occasionally, that are easier to run in linux than windows |
| 04:14.05 | jjazz | And you want them in your start menu? |
| 04:14.07 | geo-rge | the debian menus in the menu system are read by ui-specific menu producers |
| 04:14.08 | loupgaroublond | but i have a handful of windows apps i like to use 95% of the time |
| 04:14.14 | geo-rge | so |
| 04:14.25 | loupgaroublond | geo-rge, yeah, i'm getting to that part |
| 04:14.26 | rahul | loupgaroublond: do you know what's missing from sbcl/win32? |
| 04:14.35 | Guerin | kakalto: ?? |
| 04:14.42 | rahul | loupgaroublond: because it's probably nothing you'll get around to using. |
| 04:14.47 | kakalto | "kde isn't anything like default in debian" |
| 04:14.49 | geo-rge | if you add to it, you can cause pretty much whatever you run that has a menu to include your additions |
| 04:15.10 | geo-rge | you just have to learn the system |
| 04:15.15 | geo-rge | (which I have not) |
| 04:15.16 | loupgaroublond | i feel like i'm speaking to a brikc wall explaining this |
| 04:15.28 | loupgaroublond | and i have to run |
| 04:15.34 | Guerin | kakalto: debian's default install is the debian package management tools, bash, nano, perl, libc, a kernel, grub and precious little else. Anything else you want (including an x server and a window manager) you install yourself. |
| 04:15.43 | loupgaroublond | cya guys |
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| 04:16.00 | Guerin | well, what do you expect, you're in the wrong channel |
| 04:16.10 | kalila | I don't understand how mkpasswd verification works (used in httpd). I understand md5sum verification, but mkdpasswd produces different things for the same password |
| 04:16.11 | geo-rge | not anymore |
| 04:16.13 | kalila | how does it verify? |
| 04:16.29 | kakalto | Guerin: I said "debian etch + KDE" |
| 04:16.53 | Guerin | kakalto: oh, ok. About 500MB. Less than 1G. |
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| 04:17.06 | kakalto | wah, cool |
| 04:17.08 | dendrite | kalila: mkpasswd doesn't use md5, it uses crypt. crypt is much weaker, btw. |
| 04:17.11 | Guerin | kde was about 300 on its own, iirc |
| 04:17.21 | kalila | dendrite: how does it verify? |
| 04:17.29 | zinx | dendrite: uhm |
| 04:17.37 | zinx | dendrite: crypt supports md5, which is much stronger than just md5 |
| 04:17.38 | dendrite | kalila: What do you mean? What is "it" and what is being verified? |
| 04:17.40 | zood_ | Guerin: From alsamix, it doesn't appear that I've got the capture level muted. Any other thoughts on why I can't capture any sound? |
| 04:17.46 | geo-rge | kalila: quite probably, you can get the source and see for yourself |
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| 04:17.54 | kakalto | and as a seemingly random question...... which should I use ~ ext3 filesystem with an ext3 driver under windows, or the NTFS filesystem, with the ntfs-3g driver under linux.... (I will be gaming off the partition) |
| 04:17.56 | lnast | zinx: huh? |
| 04:18.11 | Guerin | zood_: you need to set the correct capture device and volume, as well. There may also be a `mic boost' setting |
| 04:18.11 | zinx | dendrite: at least in any even mildly modern libc, crypt supports md5 hashed passwords |
| 04:18.12 | dendrite | mkpasswd encrypts the given password with the crypt(3) libc function using the given salt. |
| 04:18.14 | kakalto | that tilde was _not_ intended to represent /home |
| 04:18.22 | zinx | dendrite: and certainly in debian. |
| 04:18.26 | Guerin | kakalto: never use NTFS in linux |
| 04:18.31 | dendrite | zinx: Perhaps. I |
| 04:18.32 | zood_ | Guerin: Yah tried fiddling with those settings as well |
| 04:18.36 | dendrite | I'm looking at the man page. |
| 04:18.39 | Guerin | zood_: dunno then |
| 04:18.43 | kakalto | Guerin: but wouldn't you say the same about ext3 under windows? |
| 04:18.45 | zinx | dendrite: right, and it supports md5. mkpasswd and crypt both. |
| 04:18.47 | kakalto | this is as my data partition |
| 04:18.49 | Guerin | kakalto: sure. |
| 04:18.56 | dendrite | zinx: Ah, -H |
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| 04:19.09 | Guerin | kakalto: if you need to share a filesystem, share vfat. |
| 04:19.18 | kakalto | vfat sucks =/ |
| 04:19.23 | Guerin | yes, it does |
| 04:19.24 | Snoopy | how do I get a bluetooth dongle to work with debian? |
| 04:19.25 | jjazz | kalila: to verify a password using crypt, crypt the enterred password and compare it against a stored, crypted version of the actual password. If they match, you're good. Is that what you were asking? |
| 04:19.26 | kakalto | plus, it's like 130 gig or so partition |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin | this is the problem with windows: it only supports shitty filesystems |
| 04:19.39 | zinx | (crypt does a md5 of a lot of data to produce the hash, which is why it's stronger than just md5summing the password+salt) |
| 04:19.46 | Snoopy | it detect it but i cant start the bluetooth daemon |
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| 04:20.23 | kakalto | Guerin: what would you say about me attempting to use ext3, with the open driver under windows? |
| 04:20.30 | lnast | zinx: what's the 'a lot of data'? seed a PRNG with the passwd and take the first 20mb or some such? |
| 04:20.32 | rahul | dishes |
| 04:20.36 | rahul | good idea |
| 04:20.39 | rahul | my sink is full :) |
| 04:20.45 | max_ | hi guys |
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| 04:20.59 | zinx | lnast: no, the password and salt, and possibly some other information based on password and salt, repeated a lot of different times :D |
| 04:21.04 | Andymeows | So I was trying to install linux on my laptop as a dual boot with windows already installed, and I chose to shrink my partition and create 2 more smaller ones for linux, only the disc was scratched, and the installer crashed. I managed to reinstall linux, but my windows partition got hosed. Is there a way to recover some of the data off that partition? |
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| 04:21.54 | lnast | zinx: oh. you should say iterated salted, :P |
| 04:23.14 | wireddd | I have a remote server that connects to my router/firewall via openvpn, I want everyone behind my router to be able to access this server through the vpn, but I am not sure what I need to pass to iptables to get it working, |
| 04:24.17 | dendrite | wireddd: You may not need any iptables, you may be able to just do a host route through the virtual vpn interface. |
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| 04:27.33 | Guerin | kakalto: good luck. |
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| 04:27.57 | Rusty1 | Andymeows: http://lde.sourceforge.net/, if you got plenty of time |
| 04:27.59 | malt | whats better to use apache, or apache2? |
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| 04:28.09 | kakalto | Guerin: thanks... |
| 04:28.28 | Infest | well, I've debian etch dvd with me, i just want to mount and get use of the packages ..anyone here knows how to do that in |
| 04:28.28 | Infest | CLI |
| 04:28.45 | lnast | malt: i'm sure apache's website covers that |
| 04:28.47 | LeFallen | morning/afternoon/evening |
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| 04:29.05 | malt | lnast: whats more supported |
| 04:29.14 | lnast | malt: why...who? |
| 04:29.21 | Andymeows | Rusty1: This is free software for linux, right? |
| 04:29.39 | Rusty1 | Andymeows: yup |
| 04:29.56 | Andymeows | Rusty1: Thanks a lot! |
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| 04:30.06 | LeFallen | Has anyone got any experience getting an Adaptec SATA II 1420SA card functioning under Debian Sarge or Etch? |
| 04:30.07 | lnast | malt: i have a feeling the apache foundation would prefer you used 2 |
| 04:30.16 | lnast | malt: ask in #apache ;) |
| 04:30.50 | lnast | malt: that doesnt have much to do with debian, debian provides both. |
| 04:30.53 | dendrite | malt: apache2 is the future, so other things being equal, I'd go with that. |
| 04:31.24 | cwheeler | apache2 has worked fine for me for over a year |
| 04:31.33 | cwheeler | but threading might be iffy |
| 04:31.54 | Snoopy | how do I get a bluetooth dongle to work with debian? it detect it but i cant start the bluetooth daemon |
| 04:34.29 | kalila | jjazz: yes, however, using crypt (through mkpasswd) for the same password generates two different outputs |
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| 04:35.02 | kalila | i meant a different output each try |
| 04:35.14 | lnast | malt: if you're running a static site i suggest not using apache at all btw :) |
| 04:35.38 | lnast | kalila: its a different salt each time perchance? |
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| 04:36.46 | malt | should i be able to tar /home/* with backup.tar, then install the OS |
| 04:36.58 | malt | and unzip the tar in th ehome directory, and it save permissions? |
| 04:37.03 | malt | the* |
| 04:38.07 | lnast | malt: yip, use tar xp, notice the p |
| 04:38.33 | malt | so i create the accounts, then unzip this tar? |
| 04:39.10 | lnast | malt: and replace unzip with untar in your question ;) |
| 04:39.10 | malt | or do i jsut unzip and it auto creates accounts to? |
| 04:39.11 | malt | just* |
| 04:39.11 | malt | or untar* |
| 04:39.12 | lnast | is there just one user in /home? i can't remember if tar stores usernames or uids |
| 04:39.31 | lnast | it wont autocreate accounts. accounts are in /etc/passwd [and /etc/shadow for the pw hash] |
| 04:40.24 | malt | lnast: so can i create the accounts then unzip this? |
| 04:40.33 | lnast | if the usernames and uids are the same ti'll work fine, if not i'm not 100% sure |
| 04:40.58 | malt | its ubuntu i am using now, going to debian though |
| 04:41.05 | malt | and doing user backups |
| 04:42.21 | GeorgeS069 | tar saves UID's last time I checked |
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| 04:43.10 | lnast | malt: its no big deal if tar gets the ownership wrong, since to fix it all you probably have to do is run a chown -R on each persons homedir, anyway |
| 04:43.15 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to get an old laptop up and running with debian... No X yet, and still no sound (sound is 1st priority for me) |
| 04:43.35 | malt | isn't that insecure inast? |
| 04:43.41 | Bogus8 | I'm looking for any pointers http://www.panayotis.com/mitac/ that's my laptop and it's hardware |
| 04:44.01 | malt | this look good for backup inast tar -xpczf backup.tgz /home ? |
| 04:44.03 | lnast | malt: not if you do it before you start letting people login :> |
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| 04:44.23 | lnast | malt: man tar. x is extract, c is create, passing p with c does nothing |
| 04:44.58 | malt | this look good for backup inast tar -czfpx backup.tgz /home ? |
| 04:45.18 | lnast | nope. those options are conflicting |
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| 04:45.27 | malt | hmm i don't understand |
| 04:45.33 | malt | whats a example? |
| 04:45.39 | lnast | you're really going to have to spend a few minutes learning how to use tar |
| 04:46.14 | malt | can i just get a quick example |
| 04:46.21 | malt | I will read on it more |
| 04:46.23 | lnast | man tar has examples. |
| 04:46.25 | malt | when debian is installed |
| 04:47.11 | malt | how should the xp be? |
| 04:47.11 | Bogus8 | lnast: tar isn't hard to learn |
| 04:47.25 | Bogus8 | sorry lnast meant for malt |
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| 04:47.55 | malt | Bogus8: what way would you use to backup home directorys? |
| 04:48.08 | malt | for flags |
| 04:48.12 | Bogus8 | malt: read the docs man |
| 04:48.21 | malt | just a quick example dude |
| 04:48.25 | malt | I will when its installed |
| 04:48.27 | malt | debian |
| 04:48.44 | Guerin | malt: tar -fuck /ing/read/the/docs |
| 04:48.44 | Bogus8 | malt: tar is the same on debian as it is on fedora as it is on ubunto and so on |
| 04:49.08 | Andymeows | RTFM!! |
| 04:49.19 | malt | wow, so i can't get one example command? I want to get this debian installed then read over all this |
| 04:49.23 | Azar | hello honorable Guerin |
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| 04:49.38 | Andymeows | tar -xcvf hello.tar |
| 04:49.49 | Guerin | malt: really. You've spent more time whining about it than it would have taken to rtfm. |
| 04:49.56 | Bogus8 | malt: if you would have taken the 5 mins to open the man page you woudl be done by now instead of being insulted by everyone in here and being viewed as a tard! |
| 04:50.01 | malt | I just asked was all :) |
| 04:50.13 | malt | i don't care if i am a tard |
| 04:50.16 | Bogus8 | malt: no, you just asked 10 times! |
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| 04:50.23 | malt | I just asked for a quick example |
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| 04:50.41 | Bogus8 | I asked a question too... but I'm not jumping up and down... I'll be patient and see if anyone responds |
| 04:50.42 | Azar | malt, everyone who uses linux knows how to read, and they actually read the manuals |
| 04:50.52 | malt | I know i am going to read it 100% |
| 04:50.58 | malt | i jsut want to get this ubuntu off |
| 04:51.03 | malt | and save a few users |
| 04:51.06 | malt | home diretory |
| 04:51.09 | malt | directory |
| 04:51.14 | malt | is all |
| 04:51.14 | Bogus8 | malt: THEN GO READ THE MAN PAGE |
| 04:51.19 | Bogus8 | now or later it doesn't matter |
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| 04:51.28 | malt | I know man |
| 04:51.33 | Bogus8 | we don't really care about your users... you do... so invest the time |
| 04:51.35 | malt | just asked for a quick example |
| 04:51.38 | GeorgeS069 | tar is really simple and the man page explains what you ned without even scrolling down |
| 04:51.45 | GeorgeS069 | *need |
| 04:51.46 | Bogus8 | and we told you.. they have them in the man page! |
| 04:52.02 | Bogus8 | why should we spell out the man page for you when someone already wrote it!?> |
| 04:52.18 | Azar | no wonder like him go to ubuntu: no reading skills |
| 04:52.34 | Bogus8 | hehe |
| 04:52.57 | Bogus8 | Now, who wants to hold man hand and walk me through getting some sound working on my laptop ;) |
| 04:52.58 | malt | i just asked for a quick way i wanted to get debian on my system other one, then take the time tommrow to read these docs |
| 04:52.59 | mylogic | can anyone point me in the right direction in getting cpu scalling working with my centrino based lappy? :) |
| 04:52.59 | Azar | in some way I am happy that ubuntu exists |
| 04:53.00 | malt | is all |
| 04:53.04 | malt | what is wrong with that? |
| 04:53.06 | malt | nothing. |
| 04:53.11 | Guerin | Bogus8: /msg dpkg sound |
| 04:53.20 | Azar | ok malt, take your time then go read the docs |
| 04:53.24 | Bogus8 | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:53.29 | rahul | malt: it's RIGHT THERE |
| 04:53.31 | rahul | wtf |
| 04:53.39 | Guerin | malt: the problem is that it would literally take us as much time to type as it would for you to read |
| 04:53.40 | rahul | and you've already been told in addition |
| 04:53.57 | malt | then type it Guerin since you know it |
| 04:54.01 | Guerin | not that we haven't wasted enough keystrokes on it anyway :) |
| 04:54.03 | malt | i don't think you do ether |
| 04:54.04 | sshock | mylogic: I may be able to help; are you running a recent kernel? |
| 04:54.09 | rahul | malt: he already did, you fool |
| 04:54.12 | Guerin | malt: someone already did! |
| 04:54.15 | rahul | well, others did |
| 04:54.19 | lnast | malt: we're trying to save ourselves a future of repeating manuals to you |
| 04:54.21 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:54.26 | Guerin | mine probably won't work, tbf |
| 04:54.27 | mylogic | sshock: yes, the most recent for Etch |
| 04:54.32 | Bogus8 | LOL reverse phsycology hilarious |
| 04:54.38 | mylogic | sshock: stock install |
| 04:54.40 | Azar | malt: you are insulting us thinking that we gonna type the manuals for you here |
| 04:54.47 | nvz | meh |
| 04:54.50 | malt | rofl manual? |
| 04:54.50 | sshock | ok, do you have a bunch of files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq ? |
| 04:54.51 | malt | no |
| 04:54.56 | malt | jsut a 1 simple command |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | Azar: you get started on the bindble |
| 04:55.00 | malt | that you guys know 100% |
| 04:55.00 | rahul | malt: do you want me to paste-flood the fucking man page to you? |
| 04:55.02 | Azar | mr nvz! nice seeing you |
| 04:55.12 | Rusty1 | malt: http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/mansec?1+tar, even |
| 04:55.15 | malt | how is 1 command a manual? |
| 04:55.15 | malt | rofl |
| 04:55.18 | rahul | malt: it's at the TOP OF THE MAN PAGE, you waste of life |
| 04:55.19 | Bogus8 | malt: here's the command `man tar` |
| 04:55.28 | mylogic | sshock: yes |
| 04:55.44 | mylogic | sshock: I mod proped the centrino speedstep |
| 04:55.46 | sshock | Ok, now do you understand what the different governors are? |
| 04:55.46 | rahul | you've been told repeatedly, and yet you insist on being a 2 year old. |
| 04:56.08 | malt | I'm 18 |
| 04:56.09 | mylogic | sshock: like userspace and the other one? |
| 04:56.10 | malt | not 2 |
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| 04:56.19 | rahul | malt: so act like you're 16 at least |
| 04:56.21 | sshock | yeah, userspace, powersave, performance, and ondemand |
| 04:56.21 | Bogus8 | I'm not convinced |
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| 04:56.37 | Azar | reminds me of my new boss: she keeps asking "why?" when I show her how the work gets done, I got sick man |
| 04:56.47 | sshock | So have you decided which governor you want to use? |
| 04:56.50 | mylogic | sshock: yeah, I want the one that goes up as I need more proc power, then down when idled -- and an appy would be nice too :) |
| 04:56.59 | sshock | ok, that is the ondemand one |
| 04:57.00 | unseensoul | "start the firewall on dial-out" what it means "dial-out"? |
| 04:57.17 | sshock | So all you need to do is "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" |
| 04:57.24 | malt | i asked for 1 of a example to backup /home/ example you guys would use since everyone tells me to go to tar, well i got debian downloaded and thought i needed to backup a few directorys fast. Then when i had debian installed i would take the time to read over the docs. |
| 04:57.46 | Bogus8 | damn! |
| 04:57.46 | malt | I don't see why you guys make a big deal out of it |
| 04:57.46 | rahul | malt: YOU ALREADY HAVE THE MAN PAGE. READ IT. |
| 04:57.47 | Azar | malt: man tar |
| 04:57.53 | sshock | Then you can tell what your current frequency is at any time by catting the file scaling_cur_freq |
| 04:57.56 | rahul | malt: I don't see why you are making a big deal out of looking at the man page |
| 04:58.02 | Guerin | amazing |
| 04:58.03 | malt | Because my browser died |
| 04:58.05 | malt | ;x |
| 04:58.17 | rahul | wtf does a browser have to do with this? |
| 04:58.18 | Guerin | we have a new Muppet Of The Month, people |
| 04:58.20 | Azar | malt: don't need a browser, type at command line man tar |
| 04:58.26 | Bogus8 | malt: because in this time you would have read it.. learned it.. implied it... and been done by now and installing debian... but instead you choose to piss in the wind... enjoy the stench |
| 04:58.31 | malt | lol |
| 04:58.31 | malt | w/e |
| 04:58.33 | rahul | malt: dude, do this stuff when you sober up |
| 04:58.42 | malt | I got mono |
| 04:58.46 | malt | i can't do drugs right now |
| 04:58.52 | malt | i got a sweleld spleen |
| 04:58.56 | malt | swelled |
| 04:58.58 | malt | spleen |
| 04:59.02 | nvz | rahul: you dont sober up from being stupid, unfortunatly |
| 04:59.04 | Bogus8 | you have a swolen brain it seems |
| 04:59.04 | malt | I was just trying to do this shit quick |
| 04:59.12 | Bogus8 | LOL @ nvz |
| 04:59.14 | Azar | malt: type man tar |
| 04:59.17 | rahul | is the spleen getting in the way of your brain? |
| 04:59.32 | Bogus8 | malt: too late... and you STILL are going to have to RTFM! |
| 04:59.35 | rahul | nvz: sometimes shock therapy is needed, I guess |
| 04:59.42 | Bogus8 | so you have only wasted MORE time... fucknutz |
| 04:59.47 | rahul | malt: we don't want you using debian if you won't read a simple man page |
| 04:59.58 | Bogus8 | rahul: damn right! |
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| 05:00.01 | malt | i will when its installed |
| 05:00.10 | malt | why fuck with it on a system that i am going to reformat? |
| 05:00.12 | Azar | malt: better don't install it |
| 05:00.17 | rahul | malt: great. until then, you can leave the channel. |
| 05:00.17 | nvz | rahul: I thought thats why micheal jackson always screemed and grabbed his crotch, and he's still getting accused of molesting children |
| 05:00.27 | Bogus8 | malt: well, then I guess you will never read it... or you won't back up the home.. because we aren't gonna tell you pansy ass |
| 05:00.28 | malt | I readed IRCD docs and got them installed fine |
| 05:00.35 | rahul | nvz: swollen spleen? |
| 05:00.37 | rahul | heh |
| 05:00.45 | mylogic | sshock: do you know of any programs that I could potentially scale it manually with fairly easily? |
| 05:00.57 | mylogic | sshock: and maybe a script to change to performance when it's plugged in |
| 05:01.01 | sshock | mylogic: yes |
| 05:01.03 | malt | anyways going to burn debian |
| 05:01.04 | malt | bbl |
| 05:01.05 | Bogus8 | malt: reading a man page on anything isn't a waste.. it's a manual that translates to EVERY distro! |
| 05:01.07 | nvz | rahul: its good to have you back btw ;) |
| 05:01.10 | rahul | nvz: :) |
| 05:01.12 | sshock | Here is a script I wrote a little while ago: http://hellewell.homeip.net/phillip/linux/download/scripts/cpu/cpugov |
| 05:01.24 | rahul | !penixstrike malt |
| 05:01.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking malt to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:01.27 | Bogus8 | malt: please don't |
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| 05:01.37 | Azar | haha |
| 05:01.39 | malt | dude i usally read docs Bogues8 |
| 05:01.45 | lnast | if anyone wants a free root shell malt looks like a good candidate for accidently offering them |
| 05:01.47 | sshock | All you have to do to switch governors at any time is: "cpugov performance" |
| 05:02.00 | Bogus8 | LOL |
| 05:02.01 | rahul | malt: so why are you being a prick now? |
| 05:02.09 | sshock | If you run cpugov with no parameters, it tells you what your current governor is (and current cpu speed). |
| 05:02.14 | GeorgeS069 | sweet...I was looking for someone to host my new warez site...thanks malt! |
| 05:02.17 | Azar | malt: this is not kindergarten to spoonfed kids like you |
| 05:02.17 | malt | nothing, was asking for a simple command |
| 05:02.18 | malt | drop it.' |
| 05:02.25 | malt | kids? |
| 05:02.26 | malt | no |
| 05:02.32 | rahul | they don't spoonfeed you in kindergarden |
| 05:02.32 | muezzin | wow... a 500 users #debian channel... never seen it before :).. i'm new to freenode :).. only IRCnet user till now :) |
| 05:02.33 | Bogus8 | malt: and the command was there for the taking if you would have open the manual ;) |
| 05:02.41 | rahul | they teach you what malt never learned. |
| 05:02.47 | Azar | malt: then why your mouth is open and screaming for feeding? |
| 05:02.56 | stoned | hey |
| 05:02.57 | mylogic | sshock: thanks a lot buddy! |
| 05:03.02 | stoned | enough |
| 05:03.05 | sshock | you're welcome |
| 05:03.06 | rahul | stoned: your friend is here |
| 05:03.08 | malt | Bogus8 i will read the manual |
| 05:03.13 | malt | just asked for a quick command |
| 05:03.13 | Azar | stoned :) |
| 05:03.14 | malt | but w/e |
| 05:03.19 | jetscreamer | z |
| 05:03.20 | Bogus8 | and you wil see how fucking stupid you have been |
| 05:03.25 | lnast | muezzin: this is the unoffical channel too i think |
| 05:03.29 | rahul | malt: the quick command is right at the top of the manual, you fool |
| 05:03.49 | Azar | he wants spoonfed for sure |
| 05:03.49 | malt | ok |
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| 05:03.59 | rahul | malt: you've been told this repeatedly, and you insist on having a false sense of superiority |
| 05:04.02 | muezzin | lnast: unofficial .. but cooler i hope :) |
| 05:04.14 | Bogus8 | spoonfed wouldn't be good enough.. you would have to treat him like a bird and chew it for him first too! |
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| 05:04.25 | malt | Bogus8 nah |
| 05:04.27 | malt | just drop it |
| 05:04.28 | stoned | I would like to be spoon fed |
| 05:04.34 | GeorgeS069 | much cooler....they wouldn't even tell me how to use tar in the other one :) |
| 05:04.38 | Azar | !spoonfed stoned |
| 05:04.44 | stoned | maybe some cornflakes in warm milk |
| 05:04.45 | Bogus8 | malt: open the man page and see for yourself... your a dolt! |
| 05:04.51 | stoned | mmm |
| 05:05.03 | stoned | I like corn flakes, I think I might go to he store and buy some |
| 05:05.10 | rahul | corn flakes suck |
| 05:05.14 | stoned | you suck |
| 05:05.18 | rahul | bran flakes from london rule |
| 05:05.24 | rahul | stoned: yo mama's tits! |
| 05:05.28 | malt | anyways its backing up now |
| 05:05.29 | muezzin | GeorgeS069: eheh.. right they're too wizard to do it on IRCnet perhaps |
| 05:05.29 | abackos | brain |
| 05:05.30 | muezzin | :) |
| 05:05.49 | Bogus8 | malt: LOL do you feel like an ass yet? |
| 05:05.56 | rahul | heh |
| 05:05.57 | malt | nah? |
| 05:06.08 | rahul | if you don't feel like an ass, you REALLY are an ass |
| 05:06.17 | GeorgeS069 | malt: do you know how to use/read the man pages? |
| 05:06.23 | mylogic | sshock: do you go to BYU? |
| 05:06.28 | Bogus8 | then there are no words to describe how sad you make me feel that you are a part of the human race :( |
| 05:06.31 | stoned | rahul, the part that you said something about my momma doesn' offend me. What offends me is what you said. I did not need a mental picture of you and that ... |
| 05:06.37 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: since when was there a trick to manpages? |
| 05:06.38 | stoned | you sick bastard |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | i mean, info pages - sure |
| 05:06.43 | rahul | stoned: hehe, exactly |
| 05:06.43 | malt | I real manuals alot, its just i wanted some examples |
| 05:06.46 | sshock | mylogic: yep |
| 05:06.47 | malt | sorry for any trouble |
| 05:06.49 | Azar | wait maybe he is scared when a man page opens, he loses the cli screen!!! |
| 05:06.51 | malt | so plz drop it |
| 05:06.58 | rahul | malt: man pages have examples!! |
| 05:07.07 | jetscreamer | maybe ya'll can milk it some more |
| 05:07.09 | stoned | man pages suck |
| 05:07.10 | mylogic | sshock: I live in Georgia, but my good friend goes to BYU, Brittney Balleck |
| 05:07.11 | rahul | especially for important commands |
| 05:07.13 | stoned | spoonfeeding rules |
| 05:07.14 | jetscreamer | z |
| 05:07.21 | Bogus8 | malt: then you have NEVER read a man page because everyone who has KNOWS there are examples |
| 05:07.23 | sshock | Well, technically I still do. I've already moved away, but I'm still working on finishing up my thesis. |
| 05:07.30 | GeorgeS069 | took me awhile to figure it out to be honest.....never learned how to exit |
| 05:07.35 | stoned | rahul, dude, enough. |
| 05:07.38 | rahul | hehe |
| 05:07.39 | Guerin | sshock: in what? |
| 05:07.49 | rahul | stoned: you're gonna WANT to get stoned once I'm done :P |
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| 05:07.55 | sshock | Hmm, sorry I don't know Brittney. |
| 05:07.55 | Bogus8 | malt: why do you want to drop it so badly... you realize how much of a dolt you were being ;) |
| 05:08.04 | malt | no |
| 05:08.04 | muezzin | anyway.. it's 6:08 AM here in Italy and I have not gone to bed yet .. perhaps I have to :) |
| 05:08.11 | stoned | rahul, that is why /ignore was invented |
| 05:08.14 | Guerin | muezzin: no point, now |
| 05:08.15 | rahul | heh |
| 05:08.22 | sshock | My thesis has to do with Trust Negotiation |
| 05:08.34 | Guerin | muezzin: just go and get a glorious little espresso and watch the sun come up |
| 05:08.37 | Azar | then what gonna do rahul with that whip? |
| 05:08.45 | Guerin | sshock: what subject? |
| 05:08.59 | rahul | *crack* |
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| 05:08.59 | Bogus8 | malt, you make me want to cry |
| 05:09.02 | malt | Bogus8: i just didn't know the flags to tar :) |
| 05:09.06 | lnast | i hate the gap between these two 19" LCDs :\ |
| 05:09.10 | sshock | computer science of course |
| 05:09.14 | rahul | malt: and the flags are IN THE MAN PAGE |
| 05:09.16 | sshock | Is that what you're asking? |
| 05:09.23 | Guerin | sshock: yeh. |
| 05:09.23 | Bogus8 | lnast: yeah, I hear ya :) |
| 05:09.36 | jetscreamer | !crack that whip |
| 05:09.45 | rahul | heh |
| 05:09.47 | Guerin | i suppose people studying !compsci in here are likely to be rare |
| 05:09.59 | lnast | civil eng here :> |
| 05:10.01 | rahul | !compsci |
| 05:10.15 | Bogus8 | fuck off here! |
| 05:10.26 | Azar | :) |
| 05:10.26 | zinx | settle down |
| 05:10.32 | Bogus8 | says it right there on my name tag! ;) |
| 05:10.33 | lnast | [which is why i suck at the internets i think] |
| 05:10.33 | muezzin | nite all :) see you |
| 05:11.02 | rahul | lnast: you probably get confused about which internet to use! |
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| 05:11.36 | rahul | an open source video card won't make it any easier to modify it |
| 05:11.50 | rahul | you'll still need to hire a fab. |
| 05:11.52 | Guerin | all it'll mean is that drivers are guaranteed to be available |
| 05:11.59 | Azar | wwwoooow tarzeau!!! Second Life goes open source |
| 05:12.02 | rahul | guaranteed? yeah right. |
| 05:12.04 | Guerin | which is still a benefit |
| 05:12.22 | rahul | having a schematic for a chip does not mean you have drivers for it |
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| 05:12.41 | Guerin | rahul: no, but since the drivers are going to be free software, too... |
| 05:12.55 | rahul | Guerin: that's a separate assumption |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | rahul: not really. The project wouldn't have gotten off the ground without it. |
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| 05:13.26 | meklort | hi |
| 05:13.29 | rahul | who is going to do this anyway? |
| 05:13.44 | rahul | who will pay for the free software to get made? |
| 05:13.48 | Guerin | rahul: someone other than me :) |
| 05:13.51 | rahul | heh |
| 05:14.10 | Guerin | and then there's the push to make free nvidia 3d drivers I see on /. |
| 05:14.11 | Azar | in some future we will install debian and if we got the os video driver, no more m-a, a-i one liner for it |
| 05:14.34 | Guerin | though their target of $10k will only buy them one competent dev for about two months |
| 05:14.38 | lnast | m-a means what? |
| 05:14.47 | rahul | Guerin: if even |
| 05:14.49 | Azar | I would pay and I bet lots more linux users and I would add-on a donation too |
| 05:14.53 | Guerin | rahul: right |
| 05:15.04 | [Cadet] | lnast: module-assistant |
| 05:15.10 | lnast | ahh. |
| 05:15.22 | rahul | you'd get the basic skeleton of a driver, maybe |
| 05:15.30 | rahul | some ideas. |
| 05:15.34 | Azar | and that card even if not ready looks sexy too |
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| 05:17.24 | Guerin | a card can look sexy? |
| 05:17.44 | rahul | sure |
| 05:17.49 | rahul | a car can. why can't a card? |
| 05:18.02 | Azar | http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=OGPN17&PHPSESSID=6f20d501db8bf28bd30dfbfdbd2f0813 |
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| 05:18.41 | lnast | cards go in slots. i'm sure with the right environment a card could look sexy |
| 05:18.45 | Guerin | if it has a picture of catherine zeta-jones on it? |
| 05:18.50 | rahul | heh |
| 05:19.04 | malt | Video Card: Radeon X700 Series |
| 05:19.06 | malt | :o |
| 05:19.09 | rahul | wtf |
| 05:19.10 | malt | there $50 dollars now |
| 05:19.10 | Azar | I only look at Britney Spears, sorry |
| 05:19.17 | rahul | Azar: eew |
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| 05:19.28 | rahul | she was never that good looking |
| 05:19.40 | rahul | they think they'll make a video card with an fpga? |
| 05:19.42 | Azar | rahul: she looks better now that she got fat |
| 05:19.44 | Guerin | practically all the famous women of the modern era are scrawny tarts |
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| 05:20.11 | meklort | hey, im trying to setup a multi seat system, So far i can run each seat separately, but when i try to run two at once one of the seats just had a watch like gdm is loading, but it never does, any ideas? |
| 05:20.16 | rahul | Azar: nah. she's still white trash :P |
| 05:20.22 | Azar | bahahahaha |
| 05:20.53 | Azar | meklort: what you want to build an entire theatre? |
| 05:21.12 | meklort | just trying to setup a computer so two people can use it at once |
| 05:21.26 | Azar | users... not seats |
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| 05:21.58 | meklort | well, everywere on the internet its called multiseat, but sure |
| 05:22.00 | Azar | or.. ? speaking of seats at the same desk for same PC use? |
| 05:22.22 | meklort | Bassicaly have two keyboards / mice / monitors on one computer |
| 05:22.34 | prolific | Anybody aware of how I can specify the smtp server from which I send any given e-mail (particularly, when doing a reply)? |
| 05:22.35 | Azar | meklort: what internet? for all I know from everyone is called "multiuser" |
| 05:22.43 | prolific | (In Icedove) |
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| 05:23.02 | meklort | if you google multiseat x it will show it |
| 05:23.14 | stoned | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20070108103913.html |
| 05:23.19 | Azar | rahul: you heard of this? |
| 05:23.34 | Guerin | prolific: no can do, in icedove. |
| 05:23.35 | rahul | using two X servers on one box? |
| 05:23.39 | rahul | what's the big deal? |
| 05:23.48 | rahul | it's probably a bug in gdm. |
| 05:23.52 | prolific | Guerin, Horrible |
| 05:24.03 | rahul | meklort: try using xdm |
| 05:24.14 | Guerin | prolific: why? Nobody reads mail headers anyway. |
| 05:24.20 | Guerin | (except me) |
| 05:24.29 | meklort | ill try xdm |
| 05:24.39 | Azar | that terrabyte HD should be codenamed "pornstorage" |
| 05:24.47 | meklort | jsut have to figure out how to make it run two servers at the same time |
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| 05:25.02 | stoned | I use two X servers on one machine sometimes |
| 05:25.10 | prolific | Guerin, My personal mail server doesn't reverse resolve so lots of servers dump my mail in the spam can :( |
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| 05:25.22 | prolific | I think I'll check out Kontact |
| 05:25.25 | lnast | meklort: so hit ctrl-alt-f2, login as the second user, and run startx -- :1, least thats what i do |
| 05:25.37 | Guerin | prolific: send everything from something else. That's stupid behaviour from remote MTAs, though. |
| 05:25.45 | Guerin | though i have struck it myself |
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| 05:26.01 | meklort | Im trying to set it up so that its show on two monitros on teh same time (two different x servers) |
| 05:26.27 | prolific | Guerin, I like replying to people who send their mail to x@y.com from y.com |
| 05:26.31 | zog-vsl2 | whats the equivalent to "base-config" on etch.. I have a "debootstrapped" base install I want to do a few of the post install configs smoothly |
| 05:26.53 | Azar | prolific: some server gather info on offending spammers then they share the news and block those addresses |
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| 05:27.00 | Guerin | prolific: i do, too, so I use mutt, which enables me to edit mail headers. |
| 05:27.21 | Azar | mutt is nice |
| 05:27.34 | prolific | Yeah, I like mutt. But I'm going to contrive an LDAP server and I'd like it to function as my address book as well |
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| 05:32.27 | wireddd | what port does nfs use? |
| 05:32.31 | Azar | wow shrinking and enlarging ext3 partitions can be done... amazing |
| 05:33.08 | wireddd | 2049? |
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| 05:33.18 | rahul | grep nfs /etc/services |
| 05:33.25 | m0rbid | geh |
| 05:33.35 | m0rbid | jetscreamer? You around? |
| 05:33.47 | rahul | god I hate time. |
| 05:34.09 | jetscreamer | why |
| 05:34.23 | m0rbid | mind a PM real quick? |
| 05:34.25 | rahul | you ever tried to deal with a global application? heh |
| 05:34.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:34.41 | rahul | users all over the world and events all over the world |
| 05:34.46 | m0rbid | no pasting I promise, just sort of an off topic question. |
| 05:34.53 | Guerin | nfs uses stupid ports |
| 05:34.58 | rahul | then you have to define a day in terms of everyone |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | don't even think about trying to firewall it |
| 05:35.05 | rahul | !penixstrike time |
| 05:35.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking time to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:35.08 | Guerin | unless you tunnel it over ssh |
| 05:35.42 | jetscreamer | are you penix, rahul ? |
| 05:35.47 | rahul | hahaha |
| 05:35.52 | rahul | how dare you! |
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| 05:36.04 | jetscreamer | there were many more penix factoids once |
| 05:36.29 | jetscreamer | accept your challenge sir, pistols at dawn it is |
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| 05:36.39 | rahul | no, penixes at noon |
| 05:36.43 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 05:36.52 | rahul | heh |
| 05:36.58 | Dewi | I was worried that it might have gotten really off-topic in here while I was away. But my fears are put to rest! |
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| 05:37.16 | Dewi | :) |
| 05:37.19 | rahul | yeah, we're totally on topic for #pron |
| 05:37.33 | rahul | good thing this isn't #debian :P |
| 05:37.44 | m0rbid | is there anywhere I can find that god damned font that they used for the debian logo? |
| 05:37.57 | rahul | the logo isn't open source? |
| 05:38.10 | Dewi | rahul: I hate it when I try to join #lesbian, but I type it wrong, and I don't even realise for ages. |
| 05:38.10 | GeorgeS069 | MS probably bought the font |
| 05:38.17 | rahul | Dewi: heh |
| 05:38.28 | m0rbid | rahul: the font they used isnt |
| 05:38.31 | m0rbid | odd eh? |
| 05:38.40 | rahul | isn't that against the GPL? |
| 05:38.46 | m0rbid | dunno |
| 05:38.54 | rahul | well, the DSFG, at least. |
| 05:38.59 | rahul | erg |
| 05:39.02 | rahul | you get the point :P |
| 05:39.09 | m0rbid | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20030827.092142.54a8fc1a.html |
| 05:40.15 | rahul | how can the logo be distributed with debian and not have a way of editing it from original design? |
| 05:40.41 | Dewi | rahul: the debian redist stuff seems really inconsistent to me too |
| 05:40.49 | m0rbid | I have tried everything to extract the name, and anti-alias it out, but it comes out to choppy/ |
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| 05:41.07 | aarcane | erm, crap, a typo |
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| 05:41.30 | m0rbid | lmfao @ quit msg |
| 05:41.35 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 05:42.07 | GeorgeS069 | bet #lesbian doesn't know how to easily store 1TB of porn yet:) |
| 05:42.28 | m0rbid | prolly not. |
| 05:42.41 | m0rbid | but their sysadmin prolly comes here for help. |
| 05:43.00 | GeorgeS069 | yeah...he asks for tar help |
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| 05:43.05 | rahul | haha |
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| 05:43.06 | m0rbid | lol |
| 05:43.08 | hunger___ | hello all |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | the debian logo isn't free software |
| 05:43.14 | anapivirtua | Hi \ Bye |
| 05:43.17 | Guerin | it's a logo, it can't be |
| 05:43.26 | rahul | Guerin: then how can it be included in a debian package? |
| 05:43.29 | hunger___ | can anyone help me with downloading a backported version of php5? |
| 05:43.36 | m0rbid | Guerin: Im not asking about the logo, rather the font used to do "debian" is not free. |
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| 05:43.42 | Guerin | in addition, a proprietary font was used to make it |
| 05:43.43 | m0rbid | but I am damn sure SOMEONE has it. |
| 05:43.46 | Guerin | m0rbid: heh |
| 05:44.01 | Guerin | rahul: debian can distribute whatever it likes, since it owns the logo |
| 05:44.01 | m0rbid | Ill find it eventually |
| 05:44.02 | lnast | !tell hunger___ about backports |
| 05:44.06 | hunger___ | thanks |
| 05:44.13 | Guerin | m0rbid: do you need to know the name of the font? |
| 05:44.17 | rahul | they got rid of the docs for everything because they're not free software |
| 05:44.37 | Guerin | rahul: a logo is functionally different from documentation. |
| 05:44.45 | rahul | Guerin: but they shouldn't be violating their own free software guidelines |
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| 05:44.52 | Guerin | this is internally consistent, and even agrees with RMS in a perverse way |
| 05:45.03 | kakalto | Guerin: then... how is that different from the firefox fiasco? |
| 05:45.03 | rahul | erm |
| 05:45.38 | Guerin | kakalto: never said it was. I have no problem with firefox's position (only with their insistence on including talkback in their own builds) |
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| 05:45.55 | Guerin | logo ~= software |
| 05:45.56 | eitan | Hello all. |
| 05:45.58 | Guerin | err |
| 05:46.04 | Guerin | logo != software |
| 05:46.05 | kakalto | Guerin: hmm, =/ |
| 05:46.07 | eitan | Does anyone here use gnome? |
| 05:46.13 | Guerin | !anyone use gnome? |
| 05:46.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses gnome, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:46.22 | kakalto | lol |
| 05:46.26 | rahul | Guerin: ah, trademark as opposed to copyright. |
| 05:46.30 | eitan | funny... haha... |
| 05:46.32 | Guerin | rahul: yeah. |
| 05:46.39 | eitan | Ok... seriously... |
| 05:46.45 | Guerin | eitan: ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. |
| 05:46.45 | kakalto | !anyone use xfce |
| 05:46.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses xfce, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:46.56 | rahul | !anyone use debian |
| 05:46.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:47.05 | kakalto | this is getting better and better |
| 05:47.06 | kakalto | xD |
| 05:47.08 | rahul | and the channel disappears in a poof of self-contradiction. |
| 05:47.27 | Dewi | m0rbid: http://vetch.ath.cx/debian-transparent.xcf |
| 05:47.27 | eitan | Can someone help me with gnome in debian? |
| 05:47.35 | rahul | !helpme |
| 05:47.36 | dpkg | helpme is, like, about asking for help with a job that you were hired to do that you are already supposed to know how to do OR asking for help with doing something that is not a debian problem OR asking for help with something which is debian related. Which is it? #debian is not a support channel for all features of packages that are available for Debian. |
| 05:47.36 | Dewi | m0rbid: it's jagged, but so is the original |
| 05:47.49 | Guerin | eitan: ask the question you want answered. |
| 05:47.50 | Dewi | m0rbid: just resize it with some filtering and it should be fine |
| 05:48.15 | rahul | lipstick stains all over his jeans? |
| 05:48.18 | rahul | strange lyrics... |
| 05:48.22 | eitan | I want to know how to display all the files in the bin directory in nautilus. |
| 05:48.52 | Guerin | eitan: go to /bin in nautilus |
| 05:48.52 | rahul | eitan: that's not even a sane thing to do with ls |
| 05:48.54 | deadcat | can someone find a picture of a crossover serial cable (9db female) for me please. i dont know how it looks like |
| 05:49.06 | Guerin | be aware that there are lots and lots of them |
| 05:49.12 | eitan | I went to bin in nautilus. No luck. |
| 05:49.14 | rahul | deadcat: google didn't help? |
| 05:49.22 | Guerin | eitan: luck has nothing to do with anything |
| 05:49.30 | Dewi | !anyone use the bot to needlessly pick on the newbs? |
| 05:49.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses the bot to needlessly pick on the newbs, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:49.33 | kakalto | eitan: and exactly why were you trying to access that folder? |
| 05:49.33 | deadcat | rahul: i wouldnt know it if i see it though. |
| 05:49.37 | rahul | haha, "oh fuck it, go find some cocaine" |
| 05:49.50 | rahul | deadcat: "null modem" |
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| 05:50.07 | lnast | Dewi: hah. |
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| 05:50.49 | kakalto | wah! it's bhaal! |
| 05:51.00 | eitan | Because I want to use kpdf as my default reader and not gpdf. I need to be able to select it from the list of possible applications, but it's not showing up in the list even though it's in the bin folder. So I checked the bin folder in nautilus and it wasn't there. I then looked at bin in the terminal window and there it was. So what is going wrong? |
| 05:51.16 | lnast | eitan: its in /usr/bin yo |
| 05:51.20 | Dewi | eitan: you might get more useful answers on #gnome |
| 05:51.25 | deadcat | rahul: http://www.satelliten-shop.com/catalog/images/nullmod.jpg ? |
| 05:51.29 | eitan | I went to gnome. There's no one there. |
| 05:51.37 | rahul | deadcat: uh well |
| 05:51.43 | Dewi | eitan: what do you mean "the bin"? |
| 05:51.45 | deadcat | rahul: yes no? |
| 05:51.47 | Dewi | eitan: use full paths |
| 05:51.53 | rahul | deadcat: um... yes? |
| 05:51.54 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: yup...dats it |
| 05:52.07 | rahul | deadcat: if it's wired inside the way it should be |
| 05:52.12 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: oh damn. (= then what i had was a female 9db and a male parallel (= |
| 05:52.27 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: fucking fry's dont have it.. now i am screwed. |
| 05:52.37 | Dewi | deadcat: yeah I've tried to use parallels as null modems before |
| 05:52.41 | Dewi | deadcat: it didn't work real well |
| 05:52.46 | rahul | fry's better have a null modem |
| 05:52.52 | deadcat | Dewi: not at all. heheh. |
| 05:52.58 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: there can also be 25 pin serial connections |
| 05:53.00 | eitan | Ok. thanks a lot guys. I got it working. |
| 05:53.02 | deadcat | rahul: not the one i went too. they have all BUT the one i want |
| 05:53.04 | eitan | Super. |
| 05:53.14 | Dewi | deadcat: I have at least one really old null modem which you can have for free, pickup from brisbane australia |
| 05:53.22 | eitan | I'll hang around in case I have more q's. |
| 05:53.24 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: the one i had? taht didnt work for me. |
| 05:53.29 | Dewi | deadcat: actually mine is 25pin |
| 05:53.29 | Dewi | :P |
| 05:53.36 | Dewi | but I probably have adapters too |
| 05:53.37 | deadcat | Dewi: not worth the trip (= |
| 05:53.45 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: depends on how the cable is wired too |
| 05:54.42 | GeorgeS069 | deadcat: and if you are going from serial port on 1 pc to serial port on another pc you will also need a "null modem" in between them |
| 05:54.48 | malt | whats a good iso burning software for debian? |
| 05:54.59 | rahul | malt: same as any other distro |
| 05:55.09 | malt | I used windows before lol |
| 05:55.16 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: i'll just get a null modem to be secure.. )= waisted a trip tonight and i still have to make dinner. |
| 05:55.23 | malt | i know alot of windows software doesn't work with linux |
| 05:55.24 | rahul | malt: cdrecord. |
| 05:55.28 | kakalto | malt: depends... IMO, k3b is great, but other people use other ones... can't remember names at the moment |
| 05:55.29 | malt | ok thanks |
| 05:55.47 | Dewi | deadcat: another good reason to come to .au; it's not even dark yet. Although it is tomorrow. |
| 05:55.47 | rahul | "a lot of windows software doesn't work with linux" hahaha |
| 05:56.01 | lnast | growisofs [who uses cds anymore?] |
| 05:56.02 | Dewi | deadcat: also you're at work and today sucks |
| 05:56.02 | deadcat | Dewi: you live in the future. (= |
| 05:56.05 | kakalto | of course, k3b doesn't just do isos, it does a heck of a lot more, but y'know.. |
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| 05:56.20 | rahul | he's not trying to make an iso. |
| 05:56.21 | malt | rahul: yeah alot of places support windows, and not linux :( |
| 05:56.26 | rahul | "places"? |
| 05:56.46 | malt | rahul just like games, to play games on linux alot of times you have to use trans software |
| 05:56.49 | Dewi | rahul: actually that was the best response to your patronising answer I've ever seen :) |
| 05:56.50 | malt | like wine or cedage |
| 05:56.53 | kakalto | rahul: yeah, he's trying to burn one, which k3b does too, but mm.. |
| 05:56.57 | lnast | rahul: aye, places. like redmond, and stalled US Navy ships |
| 05:57.08 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: this is what i have: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/qube3tmp brb. dinner time. |
| 05:57.09 | rahul | lnast: haha |
| 05:57.22 | rahul | malt: oh boy. |
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| 05:57.31 | malt | rahul? |
| 05:57.34 | rahul | we have a wino on our hands. |
| 05:57.46 | malt | wine trans software :) |
| 05:57.51 | lnast | malt: play native games. |
| 05:58.04 | malt | because as far as i know steam doesn't support linux yet, just servers only. |
| 05:58.08 | Dewi | lnast: HAPPY NOW? |
| 05:58.13 | rahul | malt: people play games to be entertained, not to be tortured |
| 05:58.21 | kakalto | lnast: you mean play quake....? |
| 05:58.23 | kakalto | :P |
| 05:58.33 | lnast | i was thinking more quake, unreal tournament and enemy territory :) |
| 05:58.37 | Dewi | rahul: actually have you played linux games? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they are designed for :P |
| 05:58.43 | rahul | heh |
| 05:58.48 | rahul | Dewi: wesnoth isn't bad |
| 05:58.50 | kakalto | ah, someone who also knows the only other games on linux :P |
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| 05:59.10 | lnast | i think UT2k4 is the only game i can play on amd64 though, well, only closed source one |
| 05:59.12 | rahul | Dewi: angrydd is fun, too |
| 05:59.23 | rahul | and xevil!!!! |
| 05:59.34 | Dewi | rahul: I'll keep it in mind. Although none of my linux machines have display hardware or software |
| 05:59.35 | lnast | malt: nethack! |
| 05:59.42 | Guerin | play cards |
| 05:59.47 | Guerin | with actual people |
| 05:59.50 | Dewi | rahul: if it doesn't run in putty, it ain't a good linux game :P |
| 05:59.51 | malt | wonder why most game places doesn't support linux :( like popular games like BF2, CS, CS:S |
| 05:59.51 | cybermad | i want to limit internet usage of employees, does squid support: limitation of port access, website access, etc? someone said i must combine it with iptables. Or is there better sugestion than using squid + iptables? |
| 05:59.54 | lnast | but then you need people :\ |
| 05:59.56 | Guerin | while sitting around a table talking shit and drinking |
| 06:00.01 | rahul | Dewi: angband? heh |
| 06:00.15 | Dewi | rahul: I think I prefer nethack |
| 06:00.26 | Guerin | malt: too small a market |
| 06:00.40 | rahul | malt: because most video card manufacturers don't support linux seriously. |
| 06:00.47 | malt | :( |
| 06:00.49 | Guerin | rahul: s/most/all/ |
| 06:01.01 | rahul | or s/most/serious/ |
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| 06:01.16 | rahul | intel claims to seriously support linux |
| 06:01.23 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:01.37 | Dewi | rahul: I don't see much evidence of that |
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| 06:01.47 | rahul | I wouldn't know. :P |
| 06:01.47 | lnast | malt: i'l really happy CS only runs on windows :) |
| 06:01.49 | Guerin | Dewi: their cards have free 3d drivers, no? |
| 06:01.53 | kakalto | rahul: who seriously supports intel graphics? |
| 06:02.00 | malt | lnast why? |
| 06:02.03 | Dewi | Guerin: not sure. Do their WNICS? |
| 06:02.06 | Guerin | the issue is whether their cards are worth using for 3d |
| 06:02.12 | rahul | kakalto: does anyone but intel need to? |
| 06:02.13 | Dewi | Guerin: also that |
| 06:02.17 | malt | I mean you can run CS on linux if you used trans software like wine or cedage |
| 06:02.24 | kakalto | rahul: doubtful. |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin | Dewi: yeh, their wireless still need teh blob. |
| 06:02.47 | lnast | malt: have you ever met CS players? |
| 06:02.57 | Guerin | Dewi: the funniest bit is that they claim this is so they can meet FCC regulations |
| 06:02.58 | lnast | malt: have you ever been to a CS lan? |
| 06:03.06 | malt | NO i don't go to gay lans |
| 06:03.15 | diskus | I've been, and never going again |
| 06:03.19 | rahul | gay lans? |
| 06:03.19 | Guerin | malt: nobody asked about the sort of sex at the lans |
| 06:03.24 | Bogus8 | how do you check version of X using ssh (CLI only) |
| 06:03.29 | malt | most are i heard |
| 06:03.31 | malt | very picky |
| 06:03.34 | malt | they cahrge $$$ |
| 06:03.38 | rahul | I didn't know people had sex at the lans |
| 06:03.40 | malt | you go by there rules |
| 06:03.42 | Dewi | I left the lanning scene when nobody played anything but CS for about 6 months... back in 2002 or so |
| 06:03.54 | Dewi | I can't believe people still know what CS is |
| 06:04.01 | lnast | malt: uh, oh. i was thinking when you have friends and you all get together, never been to a lan where you paid before |
| 06:04.01 | Dewi | it's 2007 |
| 06:04.13 | malt | its still #1 online game Dewi, look in steam status for servers |
| 06:04.15 | diskus | Dewi: there was news that CS is going commercial... |
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| 06:04.32 | Dewi | malt: pretty sure the #1 online game is WOW |
| 06:04.33 | diskus | malt: #1 doesn't been best for everyone |
| 06:04.39 | GeorgeS069 | you gotta pay to have gay sex at a lan party? |
| 06:04.40 | diskus | I like more wow :P |
| 06:04.49 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: depends who you are |
| 06:04.53 | malt | nah Dewi, what hurts WoW is that it cost like $15 a month |
| 06:04.58 | simonrvn | GeorgeS069: that's the only way those statements parse |
| 06:05.07 | rahul | I'm so confused |
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| 06:05.11 | GeorgeS069 | I never even get invited:( |
| 06:05.17 | rahul | Dewi: I thought we were discussing sex |
| 06:05.18 | lnast | that's fucking sweet. i'm at work right now, almost working. getting this software to run under gnu/linux |
| 06:05.21 | kakalto | malt: apparently it doesn't hurt it all that much.. |
| 06:05.22 | Guerin | rahul: there, there. Sometimes when adults get together they ... do things. |
| 06:05.25 | diskus | malt: 13e, it's nothing |
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| 06:05.27 | rahul | haha |
| 06:05.29 | Guerin | rahul: you'll fiond out all about it in time. |
| 06:05.34 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 06:05.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:05.42 | Guerin | *schlurp* |
| 06:06.11 | lnast | was running it with one set of input data, and it would run fine, no errors. would get a result. then the code after being ported to gnu resulted in error! then i found an error in my input data :) yay! |
| 06:06.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: kia ora bro |
| 06:06.12 | malt | diskus: $15 a month, then you have admins that can ban your account for hours or perm for nothing? lol |
| 06:06.14 | diskus | malt: you want to say that if CS would cost 15$ then noone would play it anymore? |
| 06:06.19 | Guerin | kakalto: i blame rahul |
| 06:06.21 | simonrvn | Guerin: kwe kwe dude |
| 06:06.26 | diskus | malt: no such thing as ban for nothing |
| 06:06.28 | malt | diskus: no it would jsut hurt it |
| 06:06.43 | malt | diskus: it can very easy be fooled |
| 06:06.44 | hagbard | Howdy, I'm trying to set up a local mirror for a campus lab. I followed the directions to set up a mirror, but now would like to replace a few packages with local, class-specific patches. I've been trying to find the right docs, but don't seem to be using the right google search terms. Can anyone recommend any reading on the subject? |
| 06:06.50 | malt | with photoshop showing someone cuss |
| 06:06.53 | kakalto | Guerin: naturally.... considering he happened to be the one to bring it up ;-o |
| 06:06.53 | rahul | oh, penixstrike is mine. yes. |
| 06:06.58 | malt | or stuff like that |
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| 06:07.17 | malt | most games go by the servers |
| 06:07.22 | diskus | malt: impossible, they don't ban people like that |
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| 06:07.36 | malt | they ban if you cheat or cuss |
| 06:07.43 | malt | go in a game and say fuck a few times |
| 06:07.47 | malt | and see if you get email |
| 06:07.48 | malt | ;x |
| 06:07.50 | diskus | malt: yes, if GM sees |
| 06:08.04 | malt | also proof can be sent |
| 06:08.04 | diskus | malt: well fuck is offensive word, better to warn people :P |
| 06:08.19 | Guerin | Dewi: the *hilarious* intel rationale for not freeing their WLAN drivers: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 06:08.20 | kakalto | malt: get an email? well, ain't that your fault for giving out your address? |
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| 06:08.26 | simonrvn | when did this get turned into #wow? |
| 06:08.27 | eitan | Bye guys. Thank you. |
| 06:08.41 | rahul | simonrvn: after it turned into #sex |
| 06:08.46 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 06:08.50 | malt | lol |
| 06:08.52 | simonrvn | >_< |
| 06:08.52 | GeorgeS069 | They probably don't want everyone cranking up the radios in the cards |
| 06:08.53 | rahul | simonrvn: we were talking about paying for gay sex at lan parties |
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| 06:09.03 | diskus | malt: people who cheat/say bad words, get banned in CS too.. |
| 06:09.09 | rahul | simonrvn: malt seems to not be interested in doing that. |
| 06:09.12 | simonrvn | got that part... i'm still WTFing about that |
| 06:09.21 | malt | diskus: no not from the whole game, that is just from 1 server |
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| 06:09.37 | Dewi | Cool, one more reason not to play games like CS or WoW. I'd die if I couldn't say "fuck" in a game. |
| 06:09.41 | rahul | I guess he only has gay sex at lan parties when it's free |
| 06:09.42 | malt | diskus: if you cheat you get banned from secure servers |
| 06:09.48 | simonrvn | i guess |
| 06:09.54 | rahul | and/or he pays if it's not at a lan party |
| 06:09.56 | kakalto | etch netinst cd, T minus 15 minutes.. |
| 06:09.58 | malt | wow can ban your whole account |
| 06:09.59 | simonrvn | yay, kernel almost finished |
| 06:10.00 | malt | for cussing |
| 06:10.02 | diskus | malt: I know that, but what's the point in playing on non secure servers? |
| 06:10.21 | malt | diskus point being is that CS doesn't ban you for acting dumb or cussing |
| 06:10.28 | malt | thats up to the admin of the server |
| 06:10.38 | diskus | malt: anyway forget this CS/WoW talk, crap people get bans from different places, but that doesn't make that place bad |
| 06:10.40 | malt | there is liek 100k servers just in the USA on steam |
| 06:10.40 | malt | lol |
| 06:10.41 | rahul | simonrvn: how dare you |
| 06:10.44 | kakalto | I remember a friend telling of one server, where they censored the word 'lol', and changed it to 'amusing'.... quite amusing, when noobs come along and ask what that's all about |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | i have brass ones |
| 06:10.51 | rahul | simonrvn: take it to #debian-offtopic, please. |
| 06:10.52 | Guerin | i have enough trouble under International Drinking Game Rules, where swearing only means you need to consume a unit of beverage |
| 06:10.56 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 06:11.05 | Guerin | man if they banned me, I'd have to give up |
| 06:11.25 | rahul | fuck |
| 06:11.27 | simonrvn | beverage of choice? |
| 06:11.32 | rahul | good, now I can mix myself a drink |
| 06:11.37 | simonrvn | fuck the fucking fucking fuckers |
| 06:11.37 | malt | steel reserve for the win at $1 |
| 06:11.39 | Guerin | rahul: you are fined one credit for foul language! |
| 06:11.40 | malt | 40oz |
| 06:12.13 | GeorgeS069 | Worst drinking game rule is "No drink,drank or drunk" |
| 06:12.13 | kakalto | rahul: mix yourself one? screw that, drink straight from the meths bottle.. |
| 06:12.14 | rahul | I would swear just to drink more |
| 06:12.14 | rahul | meths? |
| 06:12.14 | simonrvn | meths? |
| 06:12.14 | kakalto | *cough |
| 06:12.14 | kakalto | I mean... no... |
| 06:12.15 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: nope. Worst one is no swearing. It's easy to use `consume' and `beverage' |
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| 06:12.29 | Guerin | simonrvn: rum/coke, beer |
| 06:12.32 | simonrvn | ENOPARSE |
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| 06:12.54 | GeorgeS069 | aww fu^h^h the heck with that rule |
| 06:12.56 | diskus | beer is universal one, drinkable everywhere and everytime |
| 06:13.10 | rahul | diskus: eh, only good beer |
| 06:13.14 | Guerin | in laos we played drinking games with laolao |
| 06:13.24 | Guerin | which is their home-made white-lightning stuff |
| 06:13.35 | diskus | rahul: well everyone has different meaning for good beer, so it's useless to talk about what is good :P |
| 06:13.45 | simonrvn | there was a time where i'd go mmm, sounds good :P |
| 06:13.47 | Guerin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao-Lao <3 |
| 06:13.50 | simonrvn | but not anymore |
| 06:13.52 | GeorgeS069 | drinking a beer you like is good |
| 06:13.56 | kakalto | diskus: the only good bear is a dead bear. |
| 06:14.03 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:14.07 | rahul | diskus: I don't like many beers |
| 06:14.26 | GeorgeS069 | after a few cases they all taste the same |
| 06:14.27 | rahul | low-carbonation amber ales are a good bet for me |
| 06:14.30 | rahul | heh |
| 06:14.30 | Bogus8 | I'm having problems getting X to start... it errors out saying "warning couldn't open module kbd" and "module mouse" |
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| 06:14.41 | rahul | GeorgeS069: they don't all feel the same in the morning |
| 06:14.56 | Bogus8 | Guerin: you're from Laos? |
| 06:14.58 | rahul | hard alcohol / tastes better / when you feel it in the morning |
| 06:15.05 | diskus | rahul: I like more dark beers with ~3.8% alcohol :P |
| 06:15.09 | Guerin | Bogus8: install xserver-xorg-input-* and modprobe psmouse and hid |
| 06:15.14 | rahul | diskus: eeh, weak. |
| 06:15.14 | simonrvn | diskus: weak |
| 06:15.23 | Guerin | Bogus8: nope, I just broke my shoulder there. |
| 06:15.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:15.30 | diskus | no it's fine, 2 of them, and then something stronger |
| 06:15.32 | simonrvn | same second |
| 06:15.33 | GeorgeS069 | does that even qualify as a beer? |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | while NOT under the influence of laoloa |
| 06:15.36 | rahul | minimum 5% for me, unless I'm trying to sober up, in which case I have amstel often, which is 3.5% |
| 06:15.39 | simonrvn | GeorgeS069: no |
| 06:15.49 | Bogus8 | Guerin: ah... I know a few people from there... been to a couple laotian celebrations |
| 06:15.55 | rahul | I usually use beer to sober up in general |
| 06:16.03 | diskus | GeorgeS069: most dark czech beers are about 3.8% |
| 06:16.04 | GeorgeS069 | maybe a "near beer" |
| 06:16.16 | Guerin | Bogus8: ah, cool. |
| 06:16.27 | simonrvn | yay, kernel finished. let's see how bad they scrwed up or i screwed up this time :P |
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| 06:16.30 | Guerin | my bank manager is Lao, she gives us good deals because we've been to her home town |
| 06:16.33 | rahul | guinness is 4.5% I think |
| 06:16.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:16.53 | rahul | no, 4 even |
| 06:16.56 | diskus | I don't like british ales and that kind of stuff |
| 06:16.56 | GeorgeS069 | the place I worked at we sold beer at like 9% |
| 06:17.08 | rahul | 9s rule |
| 06:17.13 | rahul | fin du monde! |
| 06:17.15 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: belgian, likely |
| 06:17.21 | Guerin | duvel FTW |
| 06:17.28 | GeorgeS069 | nope...micro brew stuff made locally |
| 06:17.29 | diskus | well I've tasted 9% and 12% beers |
| 06:17.33 | simonrvn | fin du monde, belle gueule, etc. |
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| 06:17.40 | Guerin | above 10% it's technically a barleywine |
| 06:17.51 | diskus | but sold as beer :P |
| 06:17.54 | Guerin | but don't let that get in your way :) |
| 06:17.57 | rahul | In February 1994, after 18 months of research, Unibroue launched La Fin du Monde (the end of the world). It is a 9 percent alcohol, triple fermentation beer. |
| 06:17.58 | GeorgeS069 | 9% ws right around the legal limit we could sell |
| 06:18.03 | diskus | but there's difference from tap 12% and from bottle 12% |
| 06:18.18 | Guerin | well, in the US apparently beer over 3.8% has to be branded `malt liquor' |
| 06:18.26 | Guerin | whatever TF that means |
| 06:18.30 | rahul | GeorgeS069: probably need a liquor license to sell that |
| 06:19.09 | malt | Guerin: our law here for beer is 15% max, and usally 5-6% is malt liquor here with 8-10% usally named high gravity lager |
| 06:19.11 | diskus | well our bars sell anything you like, but from normal shop you can buy max. about 4.5% |
| 06:19.18 | GeorgeS069 | well,I live in Pa so you need some kind of license to sel anything and we have state run "liquor stores" that sell the "hard stuff" |
| 06:19.21 | diskus | then there's alcoholic shops they sell 4.5%+ |
| 06:19.25 | malt | we got steel reserve here at 8.1% |
| 06:19.34 | malt | and evil eye at 10% |
| 06:19.39 | malt | high gravity beer |
| 06:19.49 | malt | we just got this law 2 years ago |
| 06:19.52 | malt | :D |
| 06:19.55 | malt | pop the cap law |
| 06:19.56 | diskus | strange names :P |
| 06:19.58 | malt | for high % beers |
| 06:20.03 | diskus | and I was thinking Finland is crappy country |
| 06:20.05 | linux_user400354 | how can i find out what make and model my memory stick is so i can get another one exactly like it for dual channel memory slots? |
| 06:20.06 | gcbirzan | 15%? That's insane. You only can get as high as 18% with beer. |
| 06:20.15 | Bogus8 | Guerin: hate to be a pest but now it's saying "no screens found" |
| 06:20.21 | malt | gcbirzan: max i seen is 10% |
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| 06:20.28 | malt | but we can have beer sold here up to 15% |
| 06:20.51 | netdaemon | !! |
| 06:20.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 06:20.52 | gcbirzan | malt: Well, technically. My chemestry teacher from highschool was a drunk, so that lesson was pretty extensive. |
| 06:20.54 | netdaemon | where |
| 06:20.55 | netdaemon | i'm moving |
| 06:20.57 | diskus | malt: that's in bars or government owned alc. shops? |
| 06:21.00 | GeorgeS069 | linux_user400354: if you can find it for your system try CPU-z |
| 06:21.08 | malt | diskus: in local quic stops |
| 06:21.13 | malt | quick stops* |
| 06:21.35 | karsten | s/bear/beer |
| 06:21.46 | diskus | malt: well in Finland they sell only under ~4.5% beverages in normal shops and everything else in monopolized alc. shops |
| 06:21.56 | sid | jetscreamer: You about? |
| 06:22.12 | malt | diskus: well are max law use to be 6% then it got changed where beer can be sold here at max 10% |
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| 06:22.16 | malt | I ment 15% |
| 06:22.30 | diskus | malt: that's good then, but then again who needs 10% beer anyway |
| 06:22.35 | malt | I do |
| 06:22.39 | gcbirzan | You can't get anything above 7% in Romania. But, there're no silly regulations on where to buy it from and such. It's just not available. (Some shops may have obscure - for Romania - brands, but I don't really check) |
| 06:22.43 | malt | 40oz for $1 will buzz you good diskus |
| 06:22.45 | gcbirzan | Well, 7.%. |
| 06:22.51 | gcbirzan | 7.5%, damn it. |
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| 06:23.19 | diskus | malt: usualy if I want to get drunk I'll drink brandy, whisky or plain vodka |
| 06:23.32 | malt | for $8+ a pint though |
| 06:23.33 | malt | :/ |
| 06:23.44 | malt | usally |
| 06:23.50 | rahul | strong beers taste good, to me |
| 06:23.51 | gcbirzan | And, beer (and wine, I think) is considered food in here. |
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| 06:23.59 | rahul | gcbirzan: heh, well |
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| 06:24.08 | gcbirzan | While I can see some merit in that... :-P |
| 06:24.09 | diskus | well, beer is food |
| 06:24.09 | navaladi | Hi Guys, I m using Debian 3.1r2 , any ftp based search engine is there, Because i m blocked all http:// websites, so is there any way to browse http:// through ftp:// because i can use ftp:// |
| 06:24.24 | karsten | malt: gcbirzan diskus : #debian-offtopci, guys. |
| 06:24.35 | karsten | offtopic, even. |
| 06:24.45 | rahul | navaladi: that doesn't make sense |
| 06:24.52 | rahul | navaladi: unblock http.... |
| 06:25.01 | nvz_ | shit.. I just had shit in a text area in a tab on firefox and closed that tab by accident :( I am drawing a blank at any way to get that information back |
| 06:25.02 | lnast | navaladi: i don't think there's an easy way for an ftp search engine to work |
| 06:25.03 | sid | navaladi: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:25.12 | rahul | lnast: sure there is |
| 06:25.16 | sid | navaladi: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 06:25.28 | navaladi | rahul - How can i ? |
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| 06:25.33 | sid | navaladi: apt-cache |
| 06:25.33 | gcbirzan | nvz_: I doubt you can. Unless you use some "undo last closed tab" thing, which I doubt is available by default. |
| 06:25.44 | karsten | nvz_: You're behind a firewall that's blocking http? You'd wwant to find an ftp or other protocol proxy. Or ssh out to somewhere and browse from there, or tunnel your port 80 traffic over ssh (assuming ssh is open). |
| 06:25.45 | rahul | navaladi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine |
| 06:26.00 | karsten | navaladi: ^^ |
| 06:26.04 | karsten | nvz_: Nevermind |
| 06:26.21 | lnast | i stand corrected :) |
| 06:26.24 | karsten | nvz_: WRT closed tabs, FF has tab recovery, including text field, IIRC. Maybe. |
| 06:26.24 | navaladi | sid , lnast rahul : http:// is not blocked but it is re-directed to msn.* something like that.. |
| 06:26.57 | rahul | archie is from the good old days |
| 06:27.01 | rahul | I miss archie. |
| 06:27.35 | navaladi | rahul karsten - thanks, since the http:// pages being re-directed to some other websites and stopped at some point, so good idea to browse http:// through ftp:// |
| 06:28.22 | karsten | navaladi: Where or what is redirecting your http? |
| 06:28.36 | rahul | hmm, I wonder if there's a good way to do searches for downloadable files with google. |
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| 06:28.55 | rahul | I guess these days we use p2p for that... |
| 06:29.15 | FaithX | what's the best way to share filesystems on a network in linux? |
| 06:29.21 | navaladi | karsten - i don't figure out that, still because when i type 64.233.187.99 in URL ( for Google.com ) it goes for 64.233.187.99.net or 64.233.187.99.com or 64.233.187.99.org |
| 06:29.33 | Guerin | FaithX: there is no good way, but NFS is the canonical way |
| 06:29.57 | karsten | navaladi: sounds What OS? |
| 06:29.58 | FaithX | Guerin: canonical? |
| 06:30.04 | Dewi | Guerin: (on ipw2100) I don't see why intel can't just open their source and distribute a similar disclaimer to that one |
| 06:30.13 | navaladi | karsten - so i m looking to browse http protocol pages Via ftp protocol , is that possible |
| 06:30.17 | Guerin | Dewi: right. |
| 06:30.22 | navaladi | karsten - Debian 3.1 r2 |
| 06:30.26 | karsten | navaladi: `... sorry (massive typing lag here). Waht OS, what browser? Sounds like it could be DNS> Try: http://<IP> |
| 06:30.33 | Dewi | FaithX: traditional |
| 06:30.42 | nvz_ | karsten: well I know it can recover a crashed session, but that didnt happen I had 4 tabs and meant to close 3 to the right of the one I was working on but the behavior of which tab was selected after I closed one was not what I expected and I closed the one I was working in.. I have the others still open the FF session never ended just the damn tab I wrote a long ass email in :P |
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| 06:30.47 | Guerin | FaithX: `I'd rather be loaded into a cannon than have to set up NFS again' |
| 06:30.50 | Dewi | FaithX: I've heard it said that modern samba does a better job, but I've also heard the opposite |
| 06:30.52 | karsten | navaladi: That's not going to work without a proxy explicityly set up. |
| 06:30.59 | Dewi | FaithX: but samba sure is a lot easier and more secure to set up |
| 06:31.04 | g333k | what do I have to do if a extensin stop working after updating to icedove? |
| 06:31.11 | navaladi | karsten - I can load all ftp:// based sites |
| 06:31.12 | g333k | I mean from thunderbird to icedove |
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| 06:31.21 | karsten | nvz_: Sucks to be you |
| 06:31.23 | cld2 | is acpi for laptops only? or desktop/servers also? thanks. |
| 06:31.28 | Dewi | g333k: wait until the extension author updates it? |
| 06:31.52 | karsten | navaladi: `... sorry (massive typing lag here). Waht OS, what browser? Sounds like it could be DNS> Try: http://<IP> |
| 06:31.52 | g333k | Dewi, is not fault of the icedove developers? |
| 06:31.55 | Dewi | g333k: presumably you jumped forward aversion as well? |
| 06:31.56 | cld2 | g333k: re install it? |
| 06:32.04 | karsten | feh |
| 06:32.14 | navaladi | karsten - Debian Linux 3.1 r2, firefox browser |
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| 06:32.31 | nvz_ | karsten: yeah, fucking tell me about it |
| 06:32.33 | g333k | Icedove Developers should make sure that anything for thunderbird work well in icedove right? |
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| 06:32.43 | karsten | navaladi: That's not going to work without a proxy explicityly set up. |
| 06:32.45 | nvz_ | karsten: I am highly discouraged to write this email now |
| 06:33.33 | Dewi | nvz_: why I can't figure out is, why hasn't anybody written an extension to just periodically log all textarea contents to disk somewhere? |
| 06:33.39 | karsten | navaladi: So you have to: 1: find out what's proxying your http and get it to stop. 2: bypass it. 3: set up and/or acess a proxy on another protocol (that's going to have to be beyond whatever's causing the current problem), or tunnel port 80 traffic elsewhere, via SSH, as you've already been told. Kapiche? |
| 06:33.44 | Dewi | nvz_: it doesn't sound non-trivial, but I'm no extension author |
| 06:33.59 | nvz_ | Dewi: cause nobody realized people are that stupid to do what i just did |
| 06:34.03 | Dewi | nvz_: I should really teach myself and go do it |
| 06:34.08 | navaladi | karsten - oh, then how ftp:// is working?..does ftp:// does n't require proxy.?? |
| 06:34.22 | Dewi | nvz_: nah it happens all the time. Or the thing crashes. Or you submit a wiki post and your cookie has timed out, etc |
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| 06:34.28 | nvz_ | Dewi: I generally like it to select the tab to the left when i kill one and instead it selected the last active one and I killed it thinking I could hit close tab 3 times |
| 06:34.35 | navaladi | karsten - ok |
| 06:34.38 | Bogus8 | I have an old laptop with an ATI 3d Rage LT pro card... when I try to startx I get an error "no device detected" which is of no help... I've step through the xorg config tool and still no luck... where do I start? |
| 06:34.40 | deb_noob | what should i do if i can't delete items fromt the trash? |
| 06:34.41 | karsten | navaladi: ... that's a set of four "OR" choices. Any one of those will fix the problem. There's nothing you can do on your host itself (absent the host-side configuration of a proxy or a tunnel) that's going to do anything. |
| 06:34.44 | GeorgeS069 | I luv this stuff....too bad I only have a few |
| 06:34.46 | ikslaw0k | I was wondering what I can do to make apt work better. my connection is unreliable so anytime I try to do any apt process, like apt-get update or something of the such I'll get alot of errors, what is there that I could do? |
| 06:34.47 | Dewi | nvz_: and for some reason my back button never seems to magically preserve content like it does for everyone else |
| 06:34.56 | rahul | eh, corona is almost half decent |
| 06:35.02 | deb_noob | anyone? |
| 06:35.04 | karsten | navaladi: Bless my french but how the fuck should I know? Whatever's gateing your traffic is determining that, and I've got *no* idea what the hell that is. |
| 06:35.06 | rahul | under certain conditions |
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| 06:35.24 | GeorgeS069 | gotta have my lime or lemon wedge in it |
| 06:35.35 | ikslaw0k | definetly lime |
| 06:35.35 | karsten | navaladi: Traffic filtering can (and frequently does) happen at the protocol level. If FTP's open, likely SSH is as well. Test it. |
| 06:35.38 | navaladi | karsten - ok :-)\ |
| 06:35.46 | tom_ | hey guys im trying to load a kernel module which i built, but the prompt just moves to the next line and doesn't appear to do anything... what would that mean? |
| 06:35.47 | deb_noob | does anyone know why i can't delete files from the trash? |
| 06:35.58 | nvz_ | Dewi: mine does, but that doesnt help me here |
| 06:35.59 | Dewi | deb_noob: checked the permissions? |
| 06:36.10 | Dewi | deb_noob: (maybe root deleted something... this is pure guesswork) |
| 06:36.14 | karsten | de3What trash? Waht OS? What dekstop? Delete how? Real men use bash. |
| 06:36.16 | deb_noob | chmod 777 trash:/ |
| 06:36.18 | deb_noob | ? |
| 06:36.25 | GeorgeS069 | Anyone seen the "Man Law" commercial where they all sit around drinking a "lite beer: and pretend to make laws about drinking for real men? |
| 06:36.26 | Dewi | deb_noob: the files in trash I mean |
| 06:36.33 | Guerin | wtf is this `trash' of which you speak? |
| 06:36.34 | Dewi | deb_noob: as well as the dir itself |
| 06:36.37 | deb_noob | yeah how do i do that? |
| 06:36.40 | karsten | deb_noob: Wine-drinking, quiche-eating snobs use zsh and look down their noses at bash users. |
| 06:36.45 | nvz_ | Dewi: luckily i have a killer muscle memory and once I am done being pissed off at myself and exausted figuring out how to magically bring it back I will just type it again from memory |
| 06:36.53 | karsten | GeorgeS069: #debian-offtopic please |
| 06:37.03 | navaladi | karsten - ssh , ftp , telnet everything is working through command line. |
| 06:37.04 | GeorgeS069 | sorry |
| 06:37.09 | deb_noob | okay, i'm lost, i only want to empty the trash bin |
| 06:37.25 | DimmuR | morning |
| 06:37.29 | karsten | navaladi: That's three tools to build a tunnel ;-) |
| 06:37.34 | Dewi | deb_noob: never mind them, it's just bitchy in here today |
| 06:37.36 | nvz_ | aHHH |
| 06:37.43 | deb_noob | i guess |
| 06:37.53 | deb_noob | seriously how do i empty the trash? |
| 06:37.54 | nvz_ | too bad I am on fucking #debian and the shit is probably gone already anyhow fromthe volume in here |
| 06:37.56 | navaladi | karsten - tunnel means, i have no idea karsten, |
| 06:38.03 | Dewi | deb_noob: trash can operation is a function of your desktop environment |
| 06:38.14 | nvz_ | I dont know how to dump my memory to even figure out if its still in there somewhere |
| 06:38.15 | navaladi | karsten - can i browse, through tunnel |
| 06:38.21 | Bogus8 | I have an old laptop with an ATI 3d Rage LT pro card... when I try to startx I get an error "no device detected" which is of no help... I've step through the xorg config tool and still no luck... where do I start? |
| 06:38.23 | lnast | deb_noob: rm =fr ~/.Trash/* if by trash you mean .Trash, which you may |
| 06:38.30 | Dewi | deb_noob: and we're 1) not aware which desktop environment you are using, and 2) we don't focus on desktop support in here |
| 06:38.39 | lnast | that should be an -, not an = :\ |
| 06:38.41 | deb_noob | etch |
| 06:38.46 | deb_noob | i386 |
| 06:38.56 | Dewi | deb_noob: no, the desktop, like gnome or kde or whatever |
| 06:39.00 | rahul | debian etch has no trash bin |
| 06:39.01 | deb_noob | kde |
| 06:39.14 | deb_noob | kde, sorry |
| 06:39.15 | navaladi | karsten - I logged in to remote server through *ssh* , & i can browse http:// thorugh that remote terminal |
| 06:39.24 | Dewi | deb_noob: you might need to try #kde... checking perms is all I can think of |
| 06:39.48 | deb_noob | okay, thank you. |
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| 06:39.56 | navaladi | karsten - so , i can browse thorugh command line, any way for GUI.? |
| 06:40.27 | g333k | Dewi, cld2, I reinstalled if, it works but not alll the functionality |
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| 06:42.55 | g333k | Do you know a extension for IceDove (former thunderbird) to minimize in the traybay? |
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| 06:44.06 | simonrvn | had to fake having an include/linux/config.h for the nvidia-legacy driver... |
| 06:44.13 | rahul | traybay? |
| 06:44.21 | simonrvn | they removed it in 2.6.19.1 |
| 06:44.29 | nvz | heh |
| 06:44.44 | simonrvn | it was just a dummy file #including autoconf.h |
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| 06:44.54 | Vyrus001 | does anybody here know why inetd dosent like cin? i wrote a small test ap that simply cin >> string; cout << string; and it fails... i never get a chance to enter anything bfeore the connection closes... yet it works fine localy as a binary ? |
| 06:45.01 | simonrvn | in the previous version i had running |
| 06:45.14 | simonrvn | oh well, heh |
| 06:45.23 | nvz | well now I know who to talk to if I upgrade the kernel on my nvidia TNT2 box |
| 06:45.39 | simonrvn | =) |
| 06:45.54 | simonrvn | this vid card is a tnt2 also |
| 06:46.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I havent seen you in awhile though I am not sure if thats because you've been away or I just havent been paying attention :P |
| 06:46.10 | nvz | because I definatly havent been paying much attention |
| 06:46.15 | simonrvn | probably more being away |
| 06:46.31 | Dewi | Vyrus001: you might want to try a more dev-oriented channel, nobody ever discusses that stuff in here |
| 06:46.50 | Vyrus001 | dewi yea i tried c++ and linux.. no luck yet |
| 06:46.52 | Vyrus001 | thnx tho :D |
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| 06:47.54 | g333k | rahul, traybar* |
| 06:48.01 | g333k | I rather use kdocker... |
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| 06:48.45 | navaladi | karsten - Thanks , bye |
| 06:50.12 | nvz | Dewi: you arent going to believe this |
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| 06:50.52 | Dewi | nvz: you started to rewrite it but you didn't use a text editor? |
| 06:50.57 | nvz | Dewi: apperently I had the tab mix plus plugin installed and could have reloaded those had I not closed so many other tabs since i talked aboutit |
| 06:51.13 | nvz | Dewi: damn thing is only configured to keep 5 in the undo list |
| 06:51.20 | Dewi | nvz: oh. yeah and ff2 has "undo close tab" built in |
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| 06:51.24 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:51.26 | lkthomas | RAID 0 + 1, how many HDD do I need ? |
| 06:51.38 | Dewi | nvz: sorry, I didn't even think of that before :P |
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| 06:51.56 | rahul | lkthomas: 4 |
| 06:51.58 | nvz | Dewi: the whole problem is I finally switched back to using my box instead of my cousins and have different settings and shit now |
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| 06:52.06 | Dewi | nvz: undoing closed tabs is something I do often but... unconsciously |
| 06:52.14 | lkthomas | rahul, hmm, 2 for mirror, another two for stripping ? |
| 06:52.18 | Dewi | nvz: which sucks when I sit down at a browser that doesn't support iyt |
| 06:52.20 | Dewi | -y |
| 06:52.21 | rahul | lkthomas: yes |
| 06:52.26 | nvz | Dewi: Its been so long since I used _my_ drive I forgot what stuff I had on here and what configurations I did on the other one |
| 06:52.26 | rahul | lkthomas: well, not quite |
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| 06:52.50 | rahul | lkthomas: 2 that are mirrored, another 2 that are mirrored, and those pairs are striped with each other |
| 06:53.00 | Dewi | nvz: yeah... I'm really making an effort at the moment to document and back up my "canonical" configurations for differenet software |
| 06:53.08 | Dewi | nvz: of course I'm doing it in windows which is 10 times harder |
| 06:53.15 | Bogus8 | I have an old laptop with an ATI 3d Rage LT pro card... when I try to startx I get an error "no device detected" which is of no help... I've step through the xorg config tool and still no luck... where do I start? |
| 06:53.21 | Dewi | nvz: because everyone uses so many opaque binary configuration formats |
| 06:53.34 | Guerin | Bogus8: did you do what I told you? |
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| 06:53.49 | Dewi | Bogus8: did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 06:53.58 | Bogus8 | Guerin: yes sir |
| 06:54.02 | Guerin | Dewi: this is actually a bug in the xorg metapackage |
| 06:54.06 | Bogus8 | Dewi: yes I did |
| 06:54.12 | Dewi | Guerin: oh |
| 06:54.25 | Guerin | Bogus8: post grep EE /var/log/xorg/log someplace |
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| 06:55.15 | Guerin | Bogus8: the bug is that some script doesn't load some modules, and the xorg metapackage doesn't install some x*-input-* packages |
| 06:55.27 | Bogus8 | Guerin: simple: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 06:55.27 | Bogus8 | (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 06:55.34 | Guerin | Bogus8: so you have to do it manually, but since I haven't actually experienced this myself, I'm a bit blind |
| 06:55.51 | Guerin | Bogus8: yeh, that's the error. Uselessest one evar. |
| 06:56.00 | Bogus8 | yep |
| 06:56.15 | Bogus8 | that was why I came back... dpkg couldn't help me any longer ;) |
| 06:56.21 | Guerin | the problem is likely the kernel modules, since you have x*-input-* installed |
| 06:56.30 | ikslaw0k | is there a script or osmething for me to find the best mirror for me to use? |
| 06:56.37 | nvz | Dewi: well now that I know I have this Tab Mix Plus extension I might as well use it.. it has a protect, and lock feature.. protect stops you from being able to close the tab and lock makes it so anything you try type in the address bar or click on is forced to open in a new tab.. though it doesnt lock the forward/back |
| 06:56.47 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 06:56.48 | lnast | ikslaw0k: apt-spy might be its name, |
| 06:56.48 | dpkg | methinks apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 06:56.56 | Guerin | Bogus8: mousedev? |
| 06:57.08 | Bogus8 | que? |
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| 06:57.16 | lnast | jetscreamer: you cheated! i had to wait for the pipe to australia to unclog :< |
| 06:57.20 | ikslaw0k | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 06:57.52 | ikslaw0k | dpkg tell me about apt-spy |
| 06:57.55 | ikslaw0k | jetscreamer, it woulda scrolled by too fast.. :) |
| 06:57.58 | Guerin | Bogus8: it's a module, son. Try a-loadin' it |
| 06:58.03 | Bogus8 | ok |
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| 06:58.24 | Bogus8 | Guerin: not found |
| 06:58.32 | Guerin | Bogus8: what kernel? |
| 06:58.52 | Bogus8 | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | mm, wtf |
| 06:59.07 | Guerin | mousedev should be there |
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| 06:59.27 | Bogus8 | not sure if this helps but here is the basics about my laptop http://www.panayotis.com/mitac/ |
| 06:59.42 | Guerin | this has mappened on a variety of systems |
| 06:59.55 | Guerin | i would have thought hid/usbhid/psmouse should do it |
| 07:00.02 | GeorgeS069 | it's a synoptics touch pad |
| 07:00.13 | Bogus8 | yes sir |
| 07:00.28 | Guerin | synaptics works on psmouse |
| 07:00.33 | Guerin | welkl, not entirely |
| 07:00.41 | Guerin | but x will start with psmouse loaded |
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| 07:00.54 | Bogus8 | I just need pointer and right/left click.. nothing fancy |
| 07:01.25 | Bogus8 | want me to pastebin my entire xorg log? |
| 07:02.29 | Guerin | nah |
| 07:02.40 | Guerin | does the BTS have anything useful on this yet? |
| 07:02.45 | Guerin | it's a few days old now |
| 07:03.31 | Bogus8 | haven't looked myself... I didn't know it was a bug... just thought it was a config issu |
| 07:04.50 | valdyn | - |
| 07:05.08 | hark | Bogus8: what's the driver in your xorg.conf (Section Device)? |
| 07:05.09 | Guerin | the whole point of debconf is to make config Just Work |
| 07:05.13 | lnast | in sources.list, if a pkg is in multiple sources and of the same version, i take it it'll grab it from the first source in sources.list? |
| 07:05.25 | Dewi | nvz: just be careful you can still submit to another url with it all locked and protected |
| 07:05.40 | lnast | [uh. wait wait...i can make my question more obscure] |
| 07:05.45 | Guerin | lnast: all else being equal, yes. |
| 07:05.57 | Bogus8 | hark: ivtvdev wtf? is that right? |
| 07:06.01 | kakalto | no doubt I'll be back in this channel to pester you all with my installation worries... but goodbye for now =) |
| 07:06.15 | hark | Bogus8: and what graphics card? |
| 07:06.28 | Bogus8 | ATI 3d Rage LT Pro |
| 07:06.38 | Bogus8 | hark: it's a laptop |
| 07:06.56 | hark | Bogus8: install xserver-xorg-video-ati and change that to "ati" |
| 07:06.58 | Bogus8 | here is my xorg log if anyone cares http://pastebin.com/855730 |
| 07:07.48 | hark | Bogus8: you must be using an older netinst, the newer ones mostly pick "apm" instead ;) |
| 07:07.50 | Bogus8 | hark: just manually change it literally to "ati" or should i rerun through the config... I assume manual is good enough |
| 07:07.58 | nvz | man I need plastic surgery :P |
| 07:08.03 | Bogus8 | hark: actually I used a weekly (just a few days ago) |
| 07:08.33 | nvz | well maybe not plastic surgery but some kind of cosmetic surgert |
| 07:08.45 | lnast | nvz: your tits are too small? |
| 07:08.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:08.55 | nvz | lnast: heh yep |
| 07:09.26 | nvz | na, I got bit by a dog on my left cheek when I was little..you cant tell looking at me unless your nose is on my face and you know what you are looking for |
| 07:09.35 | nvz | but when you take my picture my face looks crooked |
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| 07:09.46 | nvz | unless of course I look right |
| 07:09.51 | nvz | well actually it was my right cheek |
| 07:09.57 | Guerin | nvz: tell people it was an Iraq war injury |
| 07:10.10 | nvz | heh yeah right, thats believable |
| 07:10.25 | Guerin | nobody would dare call you on it |
| 07:10.29 | rahul | drunk chicks will go for that |
| 07:10.38 | nvz | no, believe me she'd call me on it |
| 07:10.40 | rahul | they just want a good story, that's all |
| 07:10.46 | rahul | haha |
| 07:10.55 | Guerin | lnast: he wishes |
| 07:10.56 | rahul | yo mama is a drunk chick! |
| 07:10.57 | asg | Guerin: if nvz has a war injury, it only occured at Taco Bell fighting the juntas |
| 07:11.02 | rahul | Guerin: !! |
| 07:11.09 | rahul | I'm a lesbian in a man's body! |
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| 07:11.23 | nvz | heh |
| 07:12.11 | Guerin | rahul: that explains the haircut |
| 07:12.36 | rahul | which one? |
| 07:12.58 | diskus | downside one |
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| 07:13.03 | rahul | heh |
| 07:13.05 | rahul | finally. |
| 07:13.31 | Guerin | rahul: the one you posted here a random number of seconds ago |
| 07:13.36 | Bogus8 | hark, Guerin ... that driver WAS the problem I think... but now I'm getting some font path element problems? |
| 07:13.42 | rahul | Guerin: a haircut? |
| 07:13.47 | Guerin | Bogus8: errors, or warnings? |
| 07:13.54 | Guerin | rahul: a picture, containing same |
| 07:13.54 | hark | Bogus8: WW? |
| 07:13.58 | rahul | Guerin: that chick's not me heh |
| 07:14.07 | Bogus8 | could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 07:14.09 | Bogus8 | fatal |
| 07:14.14 | rahul | I wish I looked that good |
| 07:14.18 | Guerin | why TF would a video driver prevent the detection of peripherals? |
| 07:14.19 | hark | !fixed |
| 07:14.19 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 07:14.30 | rahul | or even sang as well. we could do a dual-lead thing. |
| 07:14.35 | hark | Bogus8: install xfonts-base |
| 07:14.43 | Bogus8 | Guerin: well ivtv is a capture card driver |
| 07:14.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:14.52 | rahul | we'd just need another guitarist and we'd have a lacuna coil |
| 07:15.25 | Bogus8 | why aren't these things dependancies of X? |
| 07:15.41 | rahul | Bogus8: because you can get your fonts from a server |
| 07:15.47 | nvz | Bogus8: because X doesnt depend on them |
| 07:15.54 | rahul | Bogus8: but do you mean xlib or the X server? |
| 07:15.55 | nvz | Bogus8: just your configuration does |
| 07:16.25 | Bogus8 | X server... well, X depends on A font... shouldn't there be a default loaded? |
| 07:16.29 | GeorgeS069 | X don't need no stinkin fonts |
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| 07:17.03 | nvz | Bogus8: as rahul said you could have fonts being loaded remotely from an xfont server |
| 07:17.10 | Bogus8 | malt: dude, piss off... do you see ANYONE jumping down my throat like they did yours? |
| 07:17.25 | malt | talking to your self? ehh |
| 07:17.29 | hark | Bogus8: it's a dependency with x-window-system-core afaik |
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| 07:17.40 | malt | rofl just drop it, that was like 4 hours ago |
| 07:17.45 | hark | Bogus8: buggy netinst, i guess |
| 07:17.53 | Bogus8 | malt: do you really want me to post our chat log of your incessive whining about how no body likes you in the channel? |
| 07:18.04 | malt | sure? |
| 07:18.16 | nvz | Bogus8: we'd have to kick and possibly ban you for that :P |
| 07:18.20 | Bogus8 | hark: yeah, I thought something should have tossed that in |
| 07:18.51 | Bogus8 | malt: funny you say "drop it, it was 4 hours ago" yet you keep pm'ing me stupid shit comments |
| 07:19.00 | Bogus8 | like so |
| 07:19.04 | rahul | heh, speaking of lacuna coil |
| 07:19.18 | rahul | Bogus8: looks like you've made a new friend |
| 07:19.20 | Bogus8 | malt: is trying to flood me... anyone want to kick him? |
| 07:19.37 | sep | Bogus8, use /ignore |
| 07:19.38 | GeorgeS069 | just /ignore him |
| 07:19.42 | malt | ? |
| 07:19.43 | nvz | Bogus8: we dont kick people for that, use /ignore |
| 07:19.53 | rahul | kicking him won't stop the flood. |
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| 07:20.02 | Bogus8 | I hear ya... just thought it would be a good excuse to rough him up ;) |
| 07:20.05 | rahul | heh |
| 07:20.20 | malt | what flood? |
| 07:20.31 | nvz | malt: forget about it /ignore |
| 07:20.42 | lnast | Bogus8: did you message him with /exec -o man tar? i was thinking about it :\ |
| 07:20.57 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 07:21.05 | Bogus8 | lnast: no.. I really couldn't be bothered by him |
| 07:21.08 | nvz | heh, now that _is_ funny |
| 07:21.43 | rahul | lnast: haha |
| 07:21.54 | rahul | lnast: I was seriously considering it, too |
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| 07:26.48 | sid | My debian GNU/Linux doesn't use the screen all the way, when it's booting and I see the terminal starting services, networking, gdm etc, it only seems to be using 50% of my screen. But I just popped in a Knoppix cd and it uses the entire screen. |
| 07:26.52 | nvz | weird this kodac digital camera shows a horizontal blue line extending both directions across the whole view through incandescent bulbs |
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| 07:27.17 | FelipeSouza | The debian works with DWL-G122 wireless USB adapter? |
| 07:27.19 | zinx | nvz: in pictures, or just in the EVF? |
| 07:27.23 | nvz | I should take a picture of it and send it to my cousin the ghost chaser |
| 07:27.26 | FelipeSouza | it's use the driver: rt73 |
| 07:27.27 | sid | When I first isntalled debian it only used 30% of my screen, but I got some bios update to A32 dell inspiron 1100 bios, and changed UMA from 1 meg to 8 megs. and then debian automatically used 50% next time I booted it |
| 07:27.34 | nvz | zinx: hmm I dunno.. lets find out... heh |
| 07:27.36 | sid | But Knoppix by default uses the full screen. |
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| 07:28.00 | zinx | nvz: my S3 IS does that in the EVF for very bright (relatively) lights, but not in the pictures |
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| 07:29.04 | nvz | zinx: its barely visable in the picture with the pic with no flash if it uses auto flash its not visable |
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| 07:29.12 | nvz | zinx: strange phenomena though |
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| 07:30.19 | nvz | zinx: actually I think I have an idea as to what causes it.. this one has a clear glass/plastic cover just over the lens.. does yours? |
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| 07:32.20 | Yubin | hello |
| 07:32.38 | sid | !greet Yubin |
| 07:32.39 | dpkg | Salutations, Yubin |
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| 07:34.51 | nvz | looks like the area around the lens/photo sensor is like black but has specks of a blue/purple in it and when the light hits that it reflects on to the glass that covers it which is picked up by the photo sensor |
| 07:35.05 | zinx | nvz: nope |
| 07:35.11 | tonsofpcs | does etch have a :0 vnc server available/default installed? |
| 07:35.17 | nvz | I dont care enough to investigate any further as to exatly why its happening and not capturing it in the image |
| 07:35.29 | zinx | nvz: i suspect it's a sensor reading oddity |
| 07:35.38 | zinx | nvz: not anything to do with the optics |
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| 07:36.02 | zinx | nvz: AIUI, a different method is used to read it real-time off the sensor than to snap the image |
| 07:36.06 | linux_jones | how come whne i upgrade to kernel-2.6.8 in sarge i only get the pcm slider in my audio mixer? |
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| 07:37.21 | Bogus8 | hark: Guerin thanks... I got X up ... now just to sort out my WM's ;) |
| 07:37.48 | Malagmyr | !hump Guerin |
| 07:38.04 | sid | Guerin: Any idea about this video card problem? |
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| 07:40.31 | GeorgeS069 | sid: could it be a resolution mismatch? desktop set for different resolution than X? |
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| 07:41.25 | sid | GeorgeS069: no, they're the same |
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| 07:46.00 | GeorgeS069 | sid: can you try different UMA settings besides 1 and 8? |
| 07:46.36 | sid | GeorgeS069: no |
| 07:46.57 | sid | The non-free bios only allows me to change what it wants me to change. |
| 07:47.15 | sid | It's my master. :( |
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| 07:48.04 | GeorgeS069 | what resolution are you set at? |
| 07:48.31 | sid | Well I'm in knoppix now, I'm at 1024x768, 16 bit color |
| 07:48.39 | sid | full screen and all, works great |
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| 07:50.37 | dendrite | sid: Maybe save off a copy of the xorg.conf, and see what's different? |
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| 07:51.30 | GeorgeS069 | Xcelent idea |
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| 07:51.44 | sid | dendrite: ok, good idea |
| 07:52.19 | dendrite | Heh. Xcellent. =) |
| 07:52.19 | nvz | zinx: probably.. they actually do shutter action even though the shutter is open when its on, it closes and reopens before it takes a picture |
| 07:52.36 | sid | dendrite: although, another weird thing.. Debian will boot with my xorg.conf as it is... But if I do /etc/init.d/gdm restart;(without changing what it just booted), it won't bring back X |
| 07:52.38 | dendrite | sid: Also note the versions of the two xorgs.. |
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| 07:53.27 | dendrite | sid: Can I assume you've been looking at the xorg logs? |
| 07:54.00 | sid | dendrite: Well it's the latest version of Knoppix, builded on Jan. 4th |
| 07:54.15 | sid | So it's xorg 7.1.1 |
| 07:54.23 | sid | same as etch/sid |
| 07:54.52 | dendrite | sid: Right... Well, look at the logs when it pukes, and diff the two configs. That's how I'd approach the issue. |
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| 07:55.24 | tuvwx | is compiz going to be updated any time soon in debian? |
| 07:56.21 | sep | tuvwx, new things are put on hold until after the release. |
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| 07:57.29 | tuvwx | that's too bad |
| 07:57.58 | sid | dendrite: But debian only uses 50% of my screen before X even starts, so is it really an xorg issue? |
| 07:58.27 | tuvwx | maybe things should be put on hold in a stable-beta branch |
| 07:58.34 | sid | dendrite: LIke when I see services starting, networking start, all that crap, it's only using 50%, but when I see knoppix starting it uses full screen |
| 07:59.00 | tuvwx | sid, are you using an lcd? |
| 07:59.13 | sid | tuvwx: yes |
| 07:59.39 | sid | It's a dell inspiron 1100(/lastlog sid) |
| 07:59.55 | tuvwx | sid, try appending something like vga=791 to your kernel boot line |
| 08:00.15 | sid | ok, brb let me get out of knoppix |
| 08:00.28 | tuvwx | sid, lcd's have fixed resolutions. you should match it in your console resolution |
| 08:00.40 | tuvwx | sid which is setup by the vesafb kernel module |
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| 08:01.01 | tuvwx | sid, which is controlled by the vga kernel option since it's built-in in debian |
| 08:01.59 | tuvwx | but then again, a new branch requires a lot of storage on mirrors :( |
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| 08:03.48 | sid | tuvwx: ok, that vga=791 fixed the terminal stuff. |
| 08:04.02 | sid | My vt's are full screen now, but gdm still only uses 50% |
| 08:04.18 | sid | I'm going to sftp that knoppix xorg.conf and try to restart gdm |
| 08:04.20 | tuvwx | sid, then fix the default resolution on your xorg.conf |
| 08:04.51 | tuvwx | sid, watch out. knoppix often uses vesa |
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| 08:05.27 | sid | no, knoppix used i810, it seems to be very good at automatically setting up video |
| 08:05.28 | tuvwx | oh my. he takes the whole thing with him to bed! |
| 08:05.38 | tuvwx | sid, ok |
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| 08:06.16 | sid | hmm, the knoppix xorg.conf doesn't seem to work. heh |
| 08:06.59 | tuvwx | sid, just look for the resolution lines in your original xorg.conf and replace them with a higher one |
| 08:07.00 | sid | yea, the xorg.conf from knoppix didn't work. gdm didn't even come back |
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| 08:07.37 | tuvwx | sid, you may want to use 'kopt' in menu.lst for future kernels to get updated automatically |
| 08:08.00 | tuvwx | sid, it's documented in menu.lst itself |
| 08:08.32 | sid | eh, I prefer to do it manually. |
| 08:08.43 | sid | this was 5 years from now when I run into another shitty video card, I'll remember how to fix it |
| 08:08.57 | sid | repetition |
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| 08:09.36 | tuvwx | after 5 years, you'll have different problems |
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| 08:10.09 | sid | maybe, but if I encounter a 5 year old system with a crappy video card 5 years from now, I'll be set |
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| 08:11.01 | tuvwx | that is a sad thing to be happy about. 5-year-old computer. i don't want that |
| 08:11.15 | tuvwx | but hey, if they work it's fine |
| 08:11.23 | sid | actually the knoppix xorg.conf did work |
| 08:11.28 | speedy_ | what do i need to connect debian server to a san storage? |
| 08:11.30 | sid | I didn't transfer it properly with sftp |
| 08:11.55 | sid | !san |
| 08:11.56 | dpkg | [san] a storage area network or old news with a flashy new name |
| 08:12.17 | sid | speedy_: I have no idea what san is, but how do you connect to it with windows or mac? |
| 08:12.39 | speedy_ | i dont use windows or mac |
| 08:13.06 | netdaemon | anyone play quake 2? |
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| 08:13.52 | sid | tuvwx: Thanks a lot I really appreciate the help. |
| 08:14.06 | sid | that problem was stressing me, only using 50% of your screen is annoying. |
| 08:14.46 | jelly-home | Hi, is there a way to download only .dsc and .diff.gz of the sources, and not the tarball? |
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| 08:16.24 | enouf | look to see of that's available on the pkg maintainer's page |
| 08:16.31 | jelly-home | speedy_: a fc adapter and drivers. |
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| 08:17.16 | jelly-home | speedy_: things complicate a bit if you want load balancing and/or failover |
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| 08:21.33 | speedy_ | jelly-home: is debian supported by fc vendors? |
| 08:21.59 | speedy_ | jelly-home: i'm thinking of going with iscsi since its ip based |
| 08:24.51 | StarkingBarfish | can anyone give me a little help with procmail configuration? I've got an account using Maildir/Maildrop now, and I've only ever set it up on standard mailboxes before. |
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| 08:25.39 | tuvwx | what's fc? |
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| 08:25.59 | valdyn | StarkingBarfish: procmail will notice by itself if a mailbox is Maildir |
| 08:26.08 | sid | tuvwx: fedora core? |
| 08:26.25 | tuvwx | sid, <speedy_> jelly-home: is debian supported by fc vendors? |
| 08:26.41 | StarkingBarfish | valdyn: my filters in .procmailrc no longer seem to work |
| 08:26.45 | speedy_ | Fiber Channel |
| 08:26.59 | valdyn | StarkingBarfish: how would i know why that is? |
| 08:27.05 | tuvwx | oh.. are they required for nas? |
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| 08:27.28 | speedy_ | there are many ways to implement nas storage |
| 08:27.41 | StarkingBarfish | valdyn: they were origianally configured for mbox, worked fine, and now with maildir, don't. |
| 08:27.51 | valdyn | StarkingBarfish: /path/to/Maildir/ is a valid Maildir for procmail |
| 08:28.17 | tuvwx | speedy_, is ethernet one of them? |
| 08:28.51 | StarkingBarfish | valdyn: yeah, I made that change. I also changed filter rules from filteredmbox to .filteredmaildir/ |
| 08:29.36 | speedy_ | tuvwx yes iscsi is over ethernet |
| 08:29.41 | StarkingBarfish | but it isn't automagically creating new directories below /path/to/Maildir/ |
| 08:29.48 | StarkingBarfish | as new mail arrives |
| 08:30.28 | valdyn | StarkingBarfish: use Maldirmake to create those |
| 08:30.49 | StarkingBarfish | ah, they don't get made automatically like mbox? |
| 08:31.00 | valdyn | StarkingBarfish: no idea, i haven't tried |
| 08:31.09 | StarkingBarfish | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 08:33.50 | rahul | !penixstrike \malex\ |
| 08:33.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking \malex\ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 08:34.53 | tarzeau | !seamonkey |
| 08:34.53 | dpkg | seamonkey is, like, the new project name for the Mozilla Application Suite, but it's not officially from Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla Application Suite is over, the new name is seamonkey, if you are using Mozilla Application Suite then you are using very old outdated code, check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ : The reason Mozilla Foundation is not developing on the Mozilla Application Suite anymore is to focus on Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 08:35.13 | tarzeau | so seamonkey is dead upstream too? |
| 08:35.21 | valdyn | tarzeau: no |
| 08:35.34 | tarzeau | valdyn: will debian have it? what is its name? |
| 08:35.42 | cydork | !info iceape |
| 08:35.42 | valdyn | tarzeau: mozilla |
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| 08:35.54 | valdyn | tarzeau: uh, yea, iceape.. license thing |
| 08:36.10 | valdyn | tarzeau: but the mozilla metapackage will stay in a i guess |
| 08:36.32 | tarzeau | valdyn: but mozilla was 1.7.13 and iceape is 1.0.7 |
| 08:37.12 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea |
| 08:37.12 | valdyn | tarzeau: no issue with that |
| 08:37.12 | tarzeau | ah they started with new version numbers |
| 08:37.12 | valdyn | tarzeau: yep |
| 08:37.32 | valdyn | tarzeau: Version: 2:1.8+1.0.7-2 vs Version: 1.0.7-2 |
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| 08:37.42 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 08:37.44 | tarzeau | valdyn: i hate this mozilla shit |
| 08:38.01 | tarzeau | valdyn: i hope it'll just rot away in hell, as fast as possible |
| 08:38.16 | cydork | tarzeau: Amen :) |
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| 08:38.34 | tuvwx | TBH, i liked mozilla's icons better than debian's for firefox and thunderbird |
| 08:38.44 | tarzeau | tuvwx: you mean the green ugly stuff? |
| 08:38.51 | StarkingBarfish | seconding that, I can just about see debian's position, but it's still silly politics |
| 08:38.53 | tuvwx | debian's are too similar. hardly distinguishable |
| 08:38.59 | tuvwx | tarzeau, right |
| 08:39.00 | cydork | tuvwx: you dont like this? http://www.geticeweasel.org/mosaic/ |
| 08:39.32 | tarzeau | cydork: no the green is not fluffy, but like a reptile, cold blood |
| 08:39.56 | cydork | tarzeau: well starts with ice :P |
| 08:40.07 | tuvwx | cydork, is there something behind the ball, or is the ball hollow?! |
| 08:40.08 | tarzeau | cydork: could be white or brown |
| 08:40.22 | tarzeau | cydork: ever seen reptiles at north pole? |
| 08:40.36 | tarzeau | cydork: reptiles live at hot regions, and warm blooders live at north pole |
| 08:40.56 | cydork | tarzeau: they cold blooded, they cant live at north pole :) |
| 08:41.04 | cydork | s/they/they are/ |
| 08:42.11 | tuvwx | can't there be firefox and thunderbird with their original icons in non-free? |
| 08:42.26 | tarzeau | tuvwx: you won't get non-free from main or on CD, DVD |
| 08:42.44 | tuvwx | tarzeau, i know. i meant besides ice* |
| 08:42.57 | tarzeau | tuvwx: nobody would want them |
| 08:43.17 | tarzeau | tuvwx: but you could make an alternative icon set in non-free with diverts |
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| 08:43.28 | tuvwx | tarzeau, i would. unless being in non-free does not allow debian patches |
| 08:43.35 | tuvwx | if any |
| 08:44.21 | tuvwx | tarzeau, that icon set thing sounds reasonable |
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| 08:56.10 | tarzeau | what means -- for the kernel as parameter? |
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| 09:04.38 | enouf | tarzeau: wel typically a -- means the end of options for preceding command, so more commands may be given that teh prior might've interpreted as options for itself |
| 09:05.11 | enouf | parameter==options |
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| 09:05.55 | drcode | hi all |
| 09:06.00 | drcode | any one know gpl soft that can do clone online to windows xp,server 2k3 , linux ? |
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| 09:22.35 | malt | yo, i am in the debian install, and canceled the setup for desktop, and i have nothing but console, how can i get back tot he setup? |
| 09:22.54 | sid | malt: I don't believe you can. |
| 09:23.08 | sid | malt: apt-get install x-window-system xorg gnome |
| 09:23.45 | ChrisW | *sigh* I'm once again faced with cron jobs silently not running |
| 09:23.51 | malt | will that install the desktop sid? |
| 09:24.04 | ChrisW | where _should_ I look to see logging of when a cron job ran? |
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| 09:25.37 | GeorgeS069 | ChrisW: try /var/log/syslog |
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| 09:25.57 | ChrisW | can find anything in there for the cron job in question |
| 09:26.00 | mcnaft | hi, I'm trying to get sound to work... I installed alsa-utils, and ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and chose alsa...then what? |
| 09:26.29 | GeorgeS069 | ChrisW: ok...maybe /var/log/messages ? |
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| 09:27.03 | ChrisW | nope, nothing |
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| 09:27.20 | ChrisW | the job's there when I crontab -l, but just doesn't seem to be running :-( |
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| 09:27.47 | GeorgeS069 | sid: hush |
| 09:27.48 | sid | all those new packages at once will break sid I predict. |
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| 09:28.12 | GeorgeS069 | ChrisW: I dunno...are you sure it's "active" ? |
| 09:28.23 | ChrisW | what do you mean by "active"? |
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| 09:28.37 | ChrisW | it's not commented out, if that's what you mean |
| 09:28.38 | GeorgeS069 | what did you use to setup the cron job? |
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| 09:28.45 | ChrisW | er, crontab -e |
| 09:28.49 | gans20|malchik | how can I get a full path of current directory in console? |
| 09:29.03 | ChrisW | the command runs fine if I run it by hand |
| 09:29.04 | sid | gans20|malchik: What do you mean full path? pwd command? |
| 09:29.40 | ChrisW | the command itself logs, so it doesn't even look like it's being started |
| 09:29.49 | Miten | I need to make boot/root on CD and fix my debian laptop. It says invalid partition table on boot up. This happened as I installed winxp on the same laptop and seems like lilo is not in place and thus things are messed up. I suppose I need to make boot cd / rescure cd and install lilo with correct info of partitions. can one guide whats minimal CD content I can get away with ? |
| 09:30.01 | GeorgeS069 | ChrisW: did you check and see if it emailed it? |
| 09:30.09 | ChrisW | no emails |
| 09:30.13 | GeorgeS069 | shit |
| 09:30.28 | ChrisW | I'm trying to get to the bottom of why its not running, I'm getting no email of errors, and nothing in any logs |
| 09:30.35 | ChrisW | fucking infuriating |
| 09:30.42 | GeorgeS069 | I'm sure |
| 09:30.53 | Miten | I am not quite sure what linux version I have but it should be 2.4 stable version. |
| 09:31.03 | ChrisW | yeah, especially as it's a nightly backup job that now hasn't run for almost a month :-( |
| 09:31.10 | Miten | I mean kernel |
| 09:31.19 | jelly-home | Miten: um, why not take a ready made livecd distro and boot it. |
| 09:31.24 | GeorgeS069 | frack |
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| 09:31.38 | gans20|malchik | sid: yes, thanks :) pwd is what I need |
| 09:32.21 | ChrisW | so anyway, I'm open to ideas as to wtf is happening and how to fix it, and make sure it doesn't happen again |
| 09:32.22 | ChrisW | :-( |
| 09:32.42 | mcnaft | How do I fix this? I run alsamixer and get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 09:32.50 | Miten | jelly-home: livecd ? can you be more specific ? I have limited bandwidth so would like to download minimal content to get job done ... |
| 09:32.52 | GeorgeS069 | wish I could be more useful...I use webmin to setup my cron jobs |
| 09:33.19 | Miten | I can burn a cd from this old pc of mine... |
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| 09:33.27 | jelly-home | Miten: choose a small livecd distro, burn it on a cd and boot it |
| 09:33.47 | sid | !webmin |
| 09:33.47 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 09:33.55 | Miten | ok let me check |
| 09:33.59 | GeorgeS069 | yeah I know |
| 09:34.05 | jelly-home | Miten: eg. http://grml.org/files/README-0.3-small.php |
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| 09:34.22 | sid | wow, debian etch won't ship with webmin |
| 09:34.34 | blondie | good |
| 09:34.46 | GeorgeS069 | I'm lame |
| 09:34.48 | jelly-home | Miten: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/grml/grml_small_0.3.iso is 60MB |
| 09:35.07 | ChrisW | well, any of you other good people got any ideas how do debug my silently not-running, not errors cron job problem? |
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| 09:35.18 | SlayerXP | sid: good news, isn't it? |
| 09:35.31 | ChrisW | not errors -> not erroring |
| 09:35.46 | Miten | jelly-home: its looks good but earlier I used just one floppy to get work done.... |
| 09:36.31 | Miten | jelly-home: currently my floppy drive are bad and so am trying to get it done by CD.... |
| 09:37.07 | Miten | I would definitely make this CD and in mean time I would prefer something quicker.... |
| 09:37.16 | gans20|malchik | sid: and how can I put into an environment variable what pwd returned? |
| 09:37.41 | jelly-home | Miten: there probably are even smaller livecds around. What's your bandwidth? |
| 09:38.01 | Miten | I get max 5k speed for download |
| 09:38.38 | Miten | infact when I installed firefox few minutes ago i felt it was 1k |
| 09:39.01 | jelly-home | uhh. |
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| 09:39.28 | jelly-home | Miten: get a 2.88MB tomsrtbt and burn it as a bootable cd? :-) |
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| 09:39.33 | Miten | I have USB memory stick but I read few articles on net and they all need a linux m/c to install image on it.... |
| 09:39.54 | ChrisW | okay, I changed the time using crontab -e, and it just ran :-S |
| 09:39.56 | ChrisW | wtf? |
| 09:40.04 | GeorgeS069 | awesome |
| 09:40.32 | ChrisW | not fucking awesome |
| 09:40.35 | Miten | jelly-home: thanx...let me check |
| 09:41.04 | ChrisW | what's the file that crontab -e actually edits? |
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| 09:42.17 | Miten | I am on win xp pc so do I need that third burner progam mentioned on http://www.toms.net/rb/download.html |
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| 09:42.40 | jelly-home | ChrisW: it edits a temporary copy of files stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 09:43.17 | jelly-home | Miten: I'm guessing you need that ElTorito.288 image, yes |
| 09:43.21 | Miten | jelly-home: I need dos version right since I will be creating CD from XP |
| 09:43.39 | jelly-home | Miten: negative |
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| 09:43.58 | ChrisW | jelly-home: okay... I'm just REALLY disturbed that this cron job was siltently not running, not errors, no entries in /var/log/message or syslog, no error emails. I crontab -e, and it starts running |
| 09:44.13 | ChrisW | I'd really like to get to the bottom of that, but how? |
| 09:44.39 | jelly-home | ChrisW: missing end of line at the last line, and editing fixed it? |
| 09:44.44 | Miten | jelly-home: I see.....288 one is basically content for CD |
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| 09:45.13 | jelly-home | Miten: 288 is a bootable floppy image. You'll need to use that to create a bootable cd with something like Nero. |
| 09:45.48 | ChrisW | jelly-home: don't take my anger as being directed at you, but if that is the case, why don't I get a fucking error somewhere? :-( |
| 09:46.36 | ChrisW | and no, that doesn't appear to be the case... |
| 09:46.51 | Miten | jelly-home: in XP when we copy it over does it work... |
| 09:47.15 | jelly-home | ChrisW: if that were the case, cron just wouldn't parse that last line, as it wasn't really a line for it (not having LF at the end) |
| 09:47.37 | jelly-home | ChrisW: a lot of unix utils do that |
| 09:48.02 | ChrisW | okay, but that wasn't the case anyway |
| 09:48.05 | ChrisW | any other ideas? |
| 09:48.07 | Miten | jelly-home: in XP when I open windows explorer and copy it to CD device it brings up box to burn it....I have not done that in while but earlier I remember I was able to copy it |
| 09:49.19 | jelly-home | Miten: I don't think it's going to work that way. You'll need to open an data CD project with a cd burning app, and use this .img as a boot floppy/el-torito image/whatever they call it. |
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| 09:49.55 | jelly-home | Miten: also remember to unpack it beofre |
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| 09:52.20 | tahorg | hi, I'd like to create a .deb package that just drops files and executes a post install. I don't want to build this package from sources, where can I find some docs ? |
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| 09:53.32 | jelly-home | tahorg: for a really dirty way to do this, you can unpack an existing deb, see how things are stored inside, and create your own. |
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| 09:54.49 | tahorg | jelly-home: I came here to ask because I wanted to avoid that (I'm already with a package in surgery) |
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| 09:54.58 | jelly-home | tahorg: for a package called eg. "foo" you need a tree with the contents of the package, and a subdir called DEBIAN/ with control and postinst files inside |
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| 09:56.35 | tahorg | jelly-home: I came to this conclusion too, but I did'nt find any docs that gives me the minimal set of files necessary in the ./debian/ dir |
| 09:56.57 | jelly-home | tahorg: first, it's DEBIAN/ not debian/ |
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| 09:57.20 | jelly-home | tahorg: you're trying to muck up a binary package, not create something from sources. |
| 09:57.41 | incorrect | im having problems with prevu |
| 09:57.57 | incorrect | when backporting i get a message saying hostname unknown then it bails out |
| 09:57.58 | jelly-home | tahorg: take a ready made deb. do this: dpkg --extract foo.db foo; dpkg --control foo.deb foo/DEBIAN |
| 09:58.05 | tahorg | jelly-home: yes but how do you package a set of background images for example ? |
| 09:58.22 | tahorg | I mean there must be a way to do that |
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| 09:58.34 | tahorg | with a fake Makefile ? |
| 09:58.44 | jelly-home | tahorg: yep. |
| 09:58.58 | jelly-home | tahorg: that makefile can be called debian/rules :-) |
| 09:59.17 | jelly-home | tahorg: but then you are creating it the right way |
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| 09:59.38 | tahorg | jelly-home: ok, can you point me some docs ? |
| 09:59.47 | The_Ace | Hi, is this there a way to trigger an autoreconf after adding a new patch to a debian package? |
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| 10:00.43 | deadcat | the temperature in /proc/cpuinfo is C or F? |
| 10:00.48 | jelly-home | tahorg: new maintainers guide, man 7 debhelper |
| 10:00.59 | tahorg | jelly-home: thanks a lot |
| 10:01.24 | deadcat | fg |
| 10:01.44 | Miten | jelly-home: I have downloaded that bz2 file...would I need to unzip it first ? then I probably would need bunzip program on win xp.... |
| 10:02.42 | smiler | deadcat: probably in C |
| 10:02.43 | smiler | deadbut I dont have any temp there :P |
| 10:03.03 | jelly-home | Miten: winzip will do. |
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| 10:03.16 | Miten | ok let me see |
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| 10:03.51 | kuhwallskee | apt tell me about apt |
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| 10:04.19 | kuhwallskee | what is the apt mirror searching utility again? |
| 10:04.43 | GeorgeS069 | apt-spy ? |
| 10:04.48 | kuhwallskee | that's it |
| 10:04.50 | kuhwallskee | apt tell me about apt spy |
| 10:05.06 | kuhwallskee | apt tell me about apt-spy |
| 10:05.11 | GeorgeS069 | !apt-spy |
| 10:05.12 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 10:06.24 | jelly-home | Miten: I've created an iso image from that img file and it seems to boot in qemu, want me to upload it somewhere? |
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| 10:07.05 | Miten | jelly-home: thanx....if you are staying on let me run nero and unzip this image file... |
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| 10:07.26 | mcnaft | how to install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
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| 10:07.46 | Miten | if its possible to avoid huge download I would prefer that.. |
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| 10:08.47 | hark | mcnaft: same way as you would install anything else ;) |
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| 10:09.45 | jelly-home | Miten: you should be able to create a bootable cd with Nero too, right |
| 10:09.55 | GeorgeS069 | mcnaft: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 10:10.11 | mcnaft | ok, any other steps? I dual boot debian and wni |
| 10:10.12 | mcnaft | win |
| 10:10.14 | jelly-home | Miten: I'm off now, will be back in about an hour |
| 10:10.21 | kuhwallskee | alright, I'm having crazy problems with apt-get update, I get alot of erros due to my connection being really slow and latent. It will ignore alot of my sources and alot of times won't work right, so what are my options? |
| 10:10.40 | Miten | ok jelly-home see you later...thanx.. |
| 10:10.49 | jelly-home | np |
| 10:11.25 | GeorgeS069 | mcnaft: that should be all you need and then to reboot to load the new kernel |
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| 10:13.00 | mcnaft | it will automatically be another option in grub? |
| 10:13.13 | kakalto | ntfsprogs has rw support for ntfs, doesn't it? |
| 10:13.17 | kakalto | or does only ntfs-3g? |
| 10:13.20 | GeorgeS069 | mcnaft: yes |
| 10:14.37 | mcnaft | ok |
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| 10:14.59 | kakalto | hmm? |
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| 10:15.25 | mcnaft | another thing, I'm trying to get sound to work and someone said to add my user to group audio, so I did "usermod -G audio myuser" |
| 10:15.36 | mcnaft | he said that was wrong then netsplit.. |
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| 10:16.06 | gans20|malchik | is it possible to set env variable in one schell script so that they were visible in another shell script? |
| 10:16.07 | hark | kakalto: it does, but not as good as ntfs-3g |
| 10:16.14 | ndowen1 | after i make the .deb of the kernel image, will it erase my old kernel, i want it to keep my current kernel in grub so i can boot using it, in case something goes wrong |
| 10:16.15 | malt | wow gnome been downloading for a while about how big is it around on average? |
| 10:16.15 | malt | ;x |
| 10:16.18 | kakalto | hark: ahk, thanks |
| 10:17.44 | cahoot | ndowen1: if you compile different kernel versions they get different names |
| 10:17.51 | hark | malt: to install a subset, install gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment |
| 10:18.16 | ndowen1 | so it should keep my older 2.6.17(i think) in the grub list and the new (2.6.19.1) will be added to the list right |
| 10:18.30 | cahoot | ndowen1: installing a deb won't erase any old version |
| 10:18.40 | ndowen1 | k ty cahoot |
| 10:18.43 | cahoot | ndowen1: correct |
| 10:19.07 | cahoot | ndowen1: look in /boot to see how they are named |
| 10:19.14 | utrrrongeeb | Is it usual for the root directory to be writeable by an ordinary user? If not, how do I prevent it? |
| 10:19.53 | ndowen1 | cahoot: one more thing all i do is "make-kpkg kernel_image" and it will load the modules i selected in my new kernel? or do i have to use another command for that? |
| 10:20.22 | cahoot | ndowen1: it will make a deb containing all |
| 10:20.32 | ndowen1 | cahoot: sorry this is the first time i have compiled a kernel this way, use to doin it by hand |
| 10:20.43 | GeorgeS069 | utrrrongeeb: try man chmod |
| 10:20.45 | ndowen1 | figured it would try it this way |
| 10:20.55 | cahoot | ndowen1: make-kpkg is the superior method |
| 10:20.59 | ndowen1 | heh |
| 10:21.04 | cahoot | really |
| 10:21.18 | utrrrongeeb | GeorgeS069: So it should not be writable? |
| 10:21.31 | cahoot | ndowen1: it makes it easier to remove old versions |
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| 10:22.12 | ndowens | cahoot: heh, ty though :-) |
| 10:22.16 | GeorgeS069 | utrrrongeeb: it should only be writable by root |
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| 10:22.57 | cahoot | ndowen1: you'll see what I mean |
| 10:23.18 | utrrrongeeb | GeorgeS069: Okay, thanks! |
| 10:23.27 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
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| 10:24.26 | kakalto | how can I check how much space is used on a partition? |
| 10:24.32 | rumpl | df |
| 10:24.33 | GeorgeS069 | df |
| 10:24.44 | kakalto | cheers |
| 10:24.54 | rumpl | df -h is more readable |
| 10:25.03 | kakalto | df is plenty readable here =] |
| 10:25.26 | kakalto | ah, megs and gigs instead of bytes |
| 10:25.27 | kakalto | hgeheh |
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| 10:25.44 | hark | puny human brains |
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| 10:27.16 | kakalto | is there a guide to setting up kde minimal somewhere? |
| 10:27.46 | rumpl | on the official site? |
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| 10:28.27 | hark | kakalto: kde-core, kde-base for minimal |
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| 10:30.04 | kakalto | hark: thanks... how can I list what is installed by those? |
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| 10:30.56 | kakalto | never mind, stupid question |
| 10:31.03 | bloo_sky | I need to search the package database to find a string, but the string is in the desription, not the package name. I'm sure there is a command for this but I don't know what it is. Any ideas? |
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| 10:32.12 | hark | kakalto: it's *kdebase |
| 10:32.13 | Miten | I have bunzipped and now have tomsrtbt iso img file...now to create boot cd using nero is it that I just choose this file and CD created will be needed boot cd ? |
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| 10:32.45 | Miten | basically how do we burn iso img files to CD ? |
| 10:33.10 | kakalto | hark: and extra stuff, I can simply install by name of program? kopete, konversation, amarok, kaudiocreator, k3b, etc? |
| 10:33.16 | blondie | Miten: using debian? |
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| 10:33.59 | hark | kakalto: yes, as and when you need. |
| 10:34.07 | Miten | blondie: I am on XP |
| 10:34.21 | GeorgeS069 | Miten: nero should burn the .iso properly |
| 10:34.24 | rumpl | Miten, burn an image |
| 10:34.42 | hark | bloo_sky: apt-cache search should pick it up |
| 10:34.44 | rumpl | come on it's so easy to burn a iso file... |
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| 10:34.56 | bloo_sky | hark, thanks, I'll look at that |
| 10:35.24 | GeorgeS069 | Miten: be sure to select burn from image |
| 10:36.17 | Miten | ok thx.. |
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| 10:37.53 | tomhet | hello everbody .. does anyone know, how the system monitoring application, at the right bottom of the following screenshot is called? http://www.remote-exploit.org/images/2/26/Backtrack-screenshot.PNG |
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| 10:38.06 | hark | rumpl: wodim can. i assume you mean cli |
| 10:38.46 | rumpl | tomaw, conky |
| 10:39.05 | ||arifaX | tomhet: looks like a superkaramba theme |
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| 10:39.35 | tomhet | uh-oh .. superkaramba is a kde thing isnt it? pug |
| 10:40.31 | petemc | gdesklets might have similar |
| 10:40.43 | cydork | tomhet: that is conky Or torsmo as rumpl said |
| 10:41.05 | tomhet | oh, thanks .. i'll have a look. i don't like apps using kde/gnome libs |
| 10:41.06 | ||arifaX | tomhet: I said "looks like" |
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| 10:44.21 | tenzing_ | hi ... how can i get my language's firefox xpi into debian? |
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| 10:45.04 | valdyn | tenzing_: what's wrong with the firefox-locale packages in debian? |
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| 10:45.42 | carlo | are there any software for undeleting on ext3 fs? |
| 10:45.43 | tenzing_ | valdyn: i mean i want to add my own translations to firefox |
| 10:45.53 | kakalto_ | when I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, in the mouse section, it asks about device... when I cat each of those devices and move the mouse, well... actually, most of them don't exist. the two that do, don't recieve input |
| 10:46.03 | kakalto_ | I have a usb mouse/kbd in one plug |
| 10:46.12 | kakalto_ | wireless logitech, if that's any help |
| 10:46.25 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 10:46.26 | dpkg | i heard usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. If you are using udev or devfs, skip to [5]. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 10:46.30 | kakalto_ | I found a device which does recognise mouse input, but xorg doesn't interpret it correct |
| 10:46.35 | tenzing_ | valdyn: and how do i change ui language in firefox |
| 10:46.56 | kakalto_ | does etch use udev? |
| 10:47.08 | valdyn | enouf: 'LC_ALL=de_DE firefox' |
| 10:47.21 | valdyn | tenzing_: 'LC_ALL=de_DE firefox' |
| 10:48.10 | tenzing_ | valdyn: i mean isnt there a gui method like there use to be in mozilla |
| 10:48.16 | valdyn | kakalto_: wrong question, 'dpkg -l udev' to see if it is installed |
| 10:48.24 | valdyn | tenzing_: i wouldnt know that |
| 10:49.37 | kakalto_ | valdyn: is there always not/installed/config-files/unpacked/failed-config/half-installed? |
| 10:49.46 | kakalto_ | I mean, otherwise, it lists udev.. |
| 10:49.50 | valdyn | tenzing_: its in about:config if its configurable |
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| 10:50.13 | valdyn | kakalto_: ii means its installed |
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| 10:50.39 | kakalto_ | valdyn: cool.. |
| 10:50.59 | mcnaft | how do I load alsa modules on 2.4 kernel? |
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| 10:51.06 | valdyn | !alsa 2.4 |
| 10:51.07 | dpkg | First, you need to build the ALSA modules for your kernel. apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper; then read "man m-a". Finally, ask me about <alsa>. |
| 10:51.20 | perlmonk | out of memtest... what can I use to test the hardware stability ? |
| 10:51.21 | kakalto_ | well, I'm afraid the help that the bot gave me is rather redundant, with the 'if you have udev, skip to [5] use /dev/input/mice' - as I do not have this device |
| 10:51.26 | mcnaft | thanks |
| 10:51.45 | valdyn | kakalto_: uname -r |
| 10:52.56 | kakalto_ | 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 10:53.59 | valdyn | kakalto_: run 'modprobe mousedev', see what happens |
| 10:54.37 | kakalto_ | valdyn: lol... I just figured that, tried it, came back to say that was the problem, and you mention that exact fix =) |
| 10:54.48 | kakalto_ | of course... vanilla debian and no modules whatsoever |
| 10:55.29 | valdyn | kakalto_: some thing is wrong on your system that you need to load that module manually, no big deal however, just add that to /etc/modules |
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| 10:55.47 | kakalto_ | valdyn: vanilla debian, standard-install, straight from etch RC1 |
| 10:56.13 | kakalto_ | no desktop-environment installed during install process, because I want to specify what I want... didn't want to sit around for 5 hours waiting for gnome to download, when I don't use it |
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| 10:56.36 | valdyn | kakalto_: rc1 is old i guess, 2.6.17 isnt going to be in etch |
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| 10:57.28 | kakalto_ | valdyn: well, rc1 is 2 months old... |
| 10:57.44 | kakalto_ | valdyn: I wasn't feeling so experimental as to use a weekly- or daily- netinst image |
| 10:57.51 | valdyn | kakalto_: sure. its still beta software |
| 10:57.59 | mhall | I have a problem with lxdvdrip right now, it seems to be ignoring the different temp and output directions in its config file, leading to a need to have to copy a shitload of huge files between volumes after the process is complete. Did anybody else experience this as of late and figure out a workaround? |
| 10:58.03 | valdyn | kakalto_: the latest snapshot has issues too i bet |
| 10:58.13 | kakalto_ | I'm sure I read somewhere that they were planning for a late january release? |
| 10:58.19 | kakalto_ | plus, everything's frozen |
| 10:58.32 | kakalto_ | I wonder how much that leaves to be done about issues like this |
| 10:58.54 | valdyn | kakalto_: plenty, frozen doesnt stop bug fixing |
| 10:59.11 | kakalto_ | but hey, I'm satisfied, I'm using a pre-release installer, and heavily customising... I'm bound to have to do something myself |
| 10:59.18 | valdyn | kakalto_: frozen just stops getting new upstream software |
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| 10:59.26 | mhall | Sure hope they fix the incompatibility between eclipse and azureus brought on by extreme idiocy! |
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| 10:59.44 | valdyn | mhall: what's broken? |
| 10:59.54 | mhall | valdyn: you can't have both on one box at one time |
| 11:00.00 | kakalto_ | valdyn: mm, I quite likely haven't been grasping this properly, even though I knew the meaning |
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| 11:00.04 | mhall | valdyn: because they have mutually incompatible SWTs |
| 11:00.04 | valdyn | mhall: ah, that : libswt-gtk-3.2-java |
| 11:00.33 | mhall | valdyn: for incredibly moronic reasons; the azureus developer didn't like the real eclipse SWT's java dependency |
| 11:00.39 | mhall | valdyn: err, not java |
| 11:00.45 | mhall | valdyn: *mozilla* dependency |
| 11:01.07 | valdyn | mhall: azureus tries really hard not to fit into distros packaging ( whatever distro.. ) |
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| 11:01.22 | mhall | valdyn: yeah i don't fuckin get it |
| 11:01.33 | mhall | valdyn: SWT applications, the whole point is it's just like they aren't even Java |
| 11:01.40 | mhall | valdyn: they make everything native |
| 11:01.51 | mhall | valdyn: then, to make something that incompatible, it defeats the whole purpose |
| 11:02.04 | mhall | valdyn: you might as well just use Swing and AWT and save the extra trouble of SWT |
| 11:02.23 | mhall | valdyn: absolute psychopathologicality |
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| 11:06.54 | dromer | damnit, my sarge-server is kind of F-ed, because we wanted to upgrade phpbb2 from 2.0.13 to 2.0.21 a friend set the sources.list in the following way: http://pastebin.ca/311923 |
| 11:07.04 | dromer | out of ~360 upgrades roughly half was executed and this list still remains apperantly: http://pastebin.ca/311925 |
| 11:07.19 | kakalto_ | and how would I go about adding kdm to run on bootup? |
| 11:07.35 | kakalto_ | just dpkg-reconfigure kdm ? |
| 11:08.08 | Rounin | Hi... I need to install a bunch of packages that begin with ^foo, but none that also have the string bar. Is there any way of doing that with apt-get? |
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| 11:08.32 | kakalto_ | guess not.. |
| 11:09.08 | valdyn | kakalto_: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager or 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' |
| 11:09.30 | malt | yo do i need to install the gnome, and windows x system, then follow this guide for debian and dell b130 laptop? ---> http://linux-laptop.net/hosted/inspironB130-Debian.html |
| 11:09.36 | mhall | what /proc file should i read to find the device names for my SATA peripherals |
| 11:09.45 | mhall | if they are routed through the 2.6.xx SATA SCSI layer |
| 11:09.56 | malt | I got gnome, windows x system, xfree86 downloading now |
| 11:09.57 | kakalto_ | valdyn: I did dpkg-reconfigure kdm, and it returned nothing... does that mean it's set to load on default, or not? |
| 11:10.09 | valdyn | mhall: i dont think that works at all, unless you want to parse scsi ids |
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| 11:10.15 | gans20|malchik | if I place my log in /var/log/HERE debian will zip it automatically? |
| 11:10.35 | valdyn | mhall: as seen in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 11:10.39 | mhall | valdyn: there's no way to find the device names for any of it? |
| 11:11.17 | perlmonk | gans20|malchik, man logrotate |
| 11:11.21 | valdyn | mhall: /sys/block/ |
| 11:11.27 | gans20|malchik | perlmonk, ok |
| 11:11.33 | perlmonk | gans20|malchik, man syslog might be interresting too |
| 11:11.35 | overnout | gans20|malchik: you will have to configure logrotate |
| 11:11.39 | chrismortimore | i'm trying to compile zsnes-1.50 with opengl support, but can't for the life of me figure out how to get it to work. ./configure says "OpenGL: Disabled, no library found". any thoughts? |
| 11:11.55 | gans20|malchik | overnout, okay |
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| 11:12.14 | kakalto_ | chrismortimore: some opengl -dev library not installed, I'm guessing? |
| 11:12.30 | enouf | apt-get install kdm |
| 11:12.58 | overnout | as i can see you can put a config file in /etc/logrotate.d like the others in there |
| 11:13.05 | chrismortimore | kakalto_: i thought that. i checked the config.log, and it was saying "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL", but when i run "ld -lGL -L/usr/lib", it works fine. |
| 11:13.07 | enouf | kakalto_: wouldn't the RC3 release be more kink free than rc1 |
| 11:13.18 | mhall | valdyn: thanks, that's just what i needed |
| 11:13.21 | enouf | I mean.. why use rc1 |
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| 11:13.32 | mhall | valdyn: sorry for being so cranky, a lot was going wrong on my box |
| 11:13.36 | kakalto_ | enouf: there is an rc3? |
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| 11:14.00 | mhall | What DVD sound format is better? AC3 or DTS? |
| 11:14.02 | kakalto_ | I went to the page linked in the topic of this page, and it only listed rc1, and weekly, daily builds |
| 11:14.28 | overnout | windows on this laptop comitted suiside! |
| 11:14.39 | enouf | mhall: tey lshal | grep block.device |
| 11:14.44 | enouf | er try* |
| 11:14.53 | valdyn | mhall: i think dts, but some dvd players ( and certainly not the windows media player ) will reliably play it if you don't have dts hardware |
| 11:15.15 | |yang| | If I want to use RAID installation within debian installer...i can't see any options for that , only LVM & LVM crypto |
| 11:15.49 | kakalto_ | enouf: you are sure that there is an rc3? |
| 11:16.00 | enouf | kakalto_: there was .. |
| 11:16.15 | enouf | lemmee see |
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| 11:16.32 | kakalto_ | chrismortimore: afraid _i_ can't help ya there, but good luck finding a fix for that. |
| 11:16.53 | chrismortimore | kakalto_: no probs, cheers anyway :) |
| 11:17.04 | kakalto_ | enouf: I mean, not that it really matters, I guess it'll just calm my nerves and keep me in the mindset "I'm a blind idiot" =) |
| 11:17.44 | kakalto_ | chrismortimore: although, surely with zsnes, if it's snes games, you won't need opengl support, as everything will run smooth in sdl or something else? |
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| 11:17.51 | mhall | valdyn: fortunately for me i've got a Philips DivX DVD player that's universal, and i only ever use UN*X now |
| 11:18.24 | chrismortimore | kakalto_: it does run fine with SDL, but only up to 640x480. you need opengl support for higher res (afaik) |
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| 11:18.53 | enouf | bah .. kakalto_ it was beta3 .. apologies |
| 11:19.09 | kakalto_ | chrismortimore: again, snes games... 16bit, designed to be run on tvs (320x240, isn't it?)... surely you don't need higher res? or does zsnes actually show more of the game at higher res? |
| 11:19.33 | kakalto_ | enouf: ah, yeah, saw that one, then saw rc1 |
| 11:19.37 | enouf | !twitsmite me |
| 11:19.59 | kakalto_ | enouf: the only thing that surprised me, was it's been 2 months since that rc, would've thought another rc is about due |
| 11:20.11 | chrismortimore | kakalto_: it has fancy filters and stuff to clean up the graphics, and you can see a benefit at the higher res. but i mostly want higher res because i play windowed on a 1920x1200 monitor, and 640x480 is a bit on the small side ;) |
| 11:20.30 | enouf | kakalto_: well what happened is it got "frozen" instead .. readying for full Release |
| 11:20.36 | kakalto_ | chrismortimore: ah. well, cool =) |
| 11:20.46 | kakalto_ | hope ya find a fix |
| 11:20.48 | enouf | work out any remaining bugs |
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| 11:21.18 | kakalto_ | enouf: ahk, so they won't bother with another rc, just make sure to remove current bugs, ready for imminent release? or one more RC, to make sure bugs are removed? |
| 11:21.21 | chrismortimore | kakalto_: i have my reasons for everything, even if they are a bit daft :P anywho, time to trawl through pages of ./configure script..... cheers |
| 11:21.38 | kakalto_ | =) |
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| 11:22.00 | enouf | yang lose the pipes you crackhead .. and boot using expert mode |
| 11:22.22 | yang | i have |
| 11:22.23 | kakalto_ | oh, and is there any plans on a page at cd bootscreen (maybe when pressing F9), to show keymaps? I typed in a keymap wrong, and it ended up having a bit of a hissy fit |
| 11:22.55 | enouf | kakalto_: not certain .. depending upon how bad/good things are .. but likely getting ready for Major release |
| 11:23.09 | enouf | thanks :-) .. much better |
| 11:23.11 | enouf | yang: |
| 11:23.18 | yang | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/19791 |
| 11:23.38 | enouf | yang: did you boot uing expert mode? |
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| 11:23.42 | mhall | enouf: yang lose the pipes you crackhead <-- :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D |
| 11:23.42 | Speeder | Hi there! |
| 11:23.44 | yang | enouf: yes |
| 11:23.57 | enouf | yang: Sarge installer or Etch? |
| 11:24.01 | yang | etch |
| 11:24.03 | yang | 20061111 |
| 11:24.04 | enouf | mhall: hehe |
| 11:24.17 | enouf | No option for RAID? |
| 11:24.46 | enouf | !ig |
| 11:24.47 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 11:24.48 | kakalto_ | Speeder: hey hey |
| 11:25.02 | mhall | enouf: sadly everybody has the IG on /ig |
| 11:25.09 | yang | enouf: ETCH ! |
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| 11:25.29 | kakalto_ | enouf: etch ain't stable yet |
| 11:25.38 | mhall | enouf: maybe they should have named it better to avoid this confusion |
| 11:25.39 | enouf | !etch |
| 11:25.40 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 11:25.52 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 11:26.25 | enouf | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html here yang |
| 11:26.33 | yang | enouf: i read the manual from - http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.sparc/apbs04.html#preseed-partman-raid |
| 11:26.36 | enouf | mhall: prolly |
| 11:26.59 | mhall | oh christ, fucking SPARC |
| 11:27.26 | enouf | yang: oh .. sparc .. did you read the release notes and errata? |
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| 11:27.55 | yang | enouf: nope |
| 11:28.03 | mhall | Debian SPARC: a bloviated excresensce of aggregated masses of bullshits, duct tape, bailing water, prayer, and untested assumptions, with a little proprietariality stirred in for good measure |
| 11:28.06 | kakalto_ | during an install, where is the root partition mounted? |
| 11:28.10 | mhall | yang: woe is you |
| 11:28.21 | mhall | yang: you shall rue the day you attempted this install |
| 11:28.34 | enouf | mhall: tell us how you really feel .. |
| 11:28.40 | enouf | :-) |
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| 11:28.49 | mhall | enouf: this comes from several years of RUNNING that OS |
| 11:29.12 | yang | mhall: you have bad sparc experience? |
| 11:29.16 | enouf | ran it right into the ground ..eh? . never used it myself |
| 11:29.31 | malt | in my dell pc my video card is Integrated Intel Media Accelerator 900 Graphics, so in the gnome, window-x server setup would i choose chip? |
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| 11:29.53 | mhall | malt: i810 |
| 11:29.59 | malt | ok thanks |
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| 11:31.28 | mhall | malt: if (graphicsChip->name.matches("i[89][0-9]{2}") graphicsChip->driver=i810; else throw new UnknownDriverException("snafu"); |
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| 11:35.07 | EdwardElric | The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/p/proftpd/proftpd_1.2.10-15sarge4/changelog was not found on this server. |
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| 11:35.18 | EdwardElric | thats a first.. |
| 11:35.23 | mhall | Sorry to repeat, connection foobarred. Has anybody tried one of the Lenovo ThinkPad Z61P models in Debian yet? |
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| 11:38.01 | kakalto_ | ahhhhh |
| 11:38.38 | enouf | mhall: certainly not I .. what issues you having? I recall another z60 user asking questions some time ago. .. a lot that helps eh? |
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| 11:40.12 | mhall | enouf: I have not purchased yet fortunately but I am trying to research very well before every buying a laptop ever again. |
| 11:40.20 | enouf | are the P model, the ones with the Ati chipset/Video |
| 11:40.25 | mhall | enouf: So far I have owned two and both have made me utterly miserable. |
| 11:40.29 | enouf | I hear ya |
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| 11:40.43 | mhall | enouf: This comes with FireGL 256m. |
| 11:40.53 | enouf | ahhh.. |
| 11:41.14 | mhall | enouf: I want a laptop with a WUXGA screen, from what I can see only HP business, Lenovo business, and some Dell seem to offer this. |
| 11:41.17 | enouf | is that considered the r200 or 400> |
| 11:41.18 | enouf | ? |
| 11:41.25 | mhall | enouf: Problem is Lenovo is only one year warranty. |
| 11:41.30 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:42.02 | mhall | enouf: HP offers three years but the price is a lot higher and they don't allow my employee discount on the good business grade stuff, only on consumer crap about which I give approximately .3 shits, on a good day. |
| 11:42.09 | enouf | so the P line is their Business models? |
| 11:42.18 | mhall | enouf: So if they're going to be assholes, they can forget about employee loyalty. |
| 11:42.34 | mhall | enouf: All of the ThinkPads are business models. |
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| 11:42.40 | mhall | enouf: The 3000 series are consumer. |
| 11:42.58 | enouf | ahh .. ok .. I hear ya .. not much into lappys |
| 11:43.00 | mhall | Seriously why do these stupid vendors insist on shipping laptops with shitty screens. |
| 11:43.08 | mhall | They're nickel and diming over nothing. |
| 11:43.19 | enouf | they suck .. like many other things |
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| 11:43.29 | mhall | I had an eMachines and an Acer before, both of them sucked my nuts. |
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| 11:44.32 | malt | what all should i need to get desktop going gnome, I installed x-window-system, gnome, xfree-xfree86 |
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| 11:44.48 | enouf | !install gnome |
| 11:44.48 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 11:45.14 | kakalto | !install kde |
| 11:45.15 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 11:45.31 | Miten | I have tomsrtbt ready to burn with nero 5.5 I have choosen data cd and now I have window with left side showing iso while right side showing file explorer. I have selected tomsrtbt iso img on right side window and now am about to drag it to left side / window in nero. is this correct to create the boot cd....I have not seen create bootable cd option yet... |
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| 11:45.39 | perlmonk | I had one compaq laptop before, it was pretty good on reliability. Now I bought an other compaq laptop, as the first one was ok. This one still is of good quality and resistant. But since HP bought compaq, everything sucks, like for example, I discovered my pcmcia port is NOT pcmcia but a proprietary thing. It's the last HP related product I buy... expept of printers. |
| 11:45.52 | perlmonk | compaq WAS good on notebooks |
| 11:46.17 | Miten | am I doing right steps to create bootable rescue cd using tomsrtbt img file ? |
| 11:46.20 | mhall | perlmonk: I am sad to say I wouldn't buy a consumer HP notebook. |
| 11:46.29 | enouf | Miten: Burn ISO Image option in Menus .. if the ISO is botable, it'll burn properly |
| 11:46.37 | mhall | perlmonk: The only ones I'd buy would be the nw/nc business models |
| 11:46.43 | mhall | perlmonk: And they are massively overpriced. |
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| 11:47.21 | mhall | perlmonk: actually nc/nw/nx series |
| 11:47.36 | Miten | enouf: I see File/Burn Image |
| 11:47.41 | Miten | do I select that ? |
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| 11:47.44 | perlmonk | Well, funny thing, that old laptop I had, it was easy to find the drivers... easy as 1 2 3..... when compaq was bought by HP, I never found the drivers anymore... |
| 11:47.49 | enouf | Yep Miten |
| 11:47.52 | perlmonk | HP sucks and should do printers only |
| 11:48.04 | perlmonk | It's the only thing they are good at anyways |
| 11:48.07 | Miten | ok let me do that |
| 11:48.22 | kakalto | how do I set up mouse in console? |
| 11:48.26 | kakalto | !mouse in consol |
| 11:48.28 | kakalto | oops |
| 11:48.31 | kakalto | !mouse in console |
| 11:48.35 | kakalto | nope.. |
| 11:48.54 | enouf | !tell kakalto about self-tell |
| 11:48.59 | enouf | !tell kakalto about self tell |
| 11:49.01 | kakalto | =/ |
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| 11:49.05 | enouf | you bitch |
| 11:49.07 | kakalto | !tell me about self tell |
| 11:49.08 | kakalto | ? |
| 11:49.11 | kakalto | oo |
| 11:49.18 | enouf | !tell kakalto about selftell |
| 11:49.19 | mhall | perlmonk: Not so fast. |
| 11:49.20 | kakalto | he doesn't know about self tell =/ |
| 11:49.31 | enouf | ah .. thanks dpkg |
| 11:49.40 | mhall | perlmonk: We have a good network equipment division nobody knows about. |
| 11:49.43 | kakalto | ah, thanks |
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| 11:50.05 | malt | wow, debian setup doesn't even try to install gnome? |
| 11:50.08 | kakalto | erm? |
| 11:50.10 | Ebbs | hi all! Ive got serious probs with my debian/etch system. Ive just installed kdm additionnally |
| 11:50.16 | mhall | malt: if it did that would be retarded |
| 11:50.21 | mhall | malt: debian is for powerusers |
| 11:50.24 | kakalto | it mentions something about a fix for mouse in xfree 4.0.2? |
| 11:50.26 | Ebbs | to my gdm and now, crash |
| 11:50.27 | perlmonk | mhall, "we" ? |
| 11:50.30 | malt | no option atleast |
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| 11:50.34 | enouf | MatBoy: choose Desktop env .. Standard Desktop in tasksel for that |
| 11:50.36 | mhall | malt: if you want that go use ubuntu and don't let the door hit you on the way out |
| 11:50.40 | mhall | perlmonk: i work at hp, heh |
| 11:50.43 | enouf | ermm malt |
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| 11:50.46 | perlmonk | hehehe |
| 11:50.48 | blazemonger | i want to run debian |
| 11:50.52 | perlmonk | mhall, which departement ? |
| 11:50.58 | Ebbs | no free space left on my hd |
| 11:51.00 | Miten | tomsrtbt file when I bzip -d it gave me .img file... |
| 11:51.02 | MatBoy | enouf, damn, you made me awake |
| 11:51.08 | Ebbs | even if i delete many files |
| 11:51.09 | malt | mhall: got to start someone, don't get all cocky into your self. |
| 11:51.17 | malt | some where* |
| 11:51.19 | mhall | perlmonk: procurve. we're #2 in network equipment volume and revenue behind cisco |
| 11:51.22 | MatBoy | enouf, damn, now I have to work again |
| 11:51.23 | Ebbs | my hdd is full |
| 11:51.23 | Miten | when I use burn image nero is looking for probably .iso file |
| 11:51.26 | blazemonger | but i tried to install debian and selected desktop system and system files in taskselect and it didnt look like a desktop to me |
| 11:51.33 | enouf | MatBoy: apologies .. turn your friggin Bells off .. BEEP@! |
| 11:51.44 | MatBoy | enouf, just joking ;) |
| 11:51.51 | mhall | malt: don't be so hasty to criticize without considering the reasons for something |
| 11:51.53 | enouf | me too :-) MatBoy |
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| 11:51.58 | perlmonk | mhall, HP lost me as customer on the fake pcmcia. Think about that when you design your products |
| 11:52.16 | MatBoy | enouf, you are not normal, I am... that's the difference here :p |
| 11:52.19 | Miten | enouf: is that ok that .img file is just another convention for .iso extension ? |
| 11:52.34 | malt | anyways i got mu system video card information, and i installed gnome, x-window-system, xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:52.35 | Ebbs | from the beginning! Ive got serious probs with my debian/etch system. Ive just installed kdm additionally to my gdm. Now I cant log on anymore as normal user to my gnome. Why? |
| 11:52.38 | mhall | perlmonk: yeah we do. at procurve we're very serious about industry standard interoperability, however there are some decisions we made on proprietary parts that really bother me |
| 11:52.40 | malt | my* |
| 11:52.45 | mhall | perlmonk: so i definitely know what you mean |
| 11:52.59 | mhall | perlmonk: for my own education what kind of laptop did you buy, which had this screwup? |
| 11:53.12 | kakalto | is there a commandline tool to view current network utilisation? |
| 11:53.18 | perlmonk | mhall, on networking, I'll always regret 3com's decision to stop making cards |
| 11:53.20 | blazemonger | malt: gdm didnt start out for you either? |
| 11:53.27 | Miten | is it that .img is also usual convention used for .iso ? |
| 11:53.38 | malt | Nope. It went in console mode. |
| 11:53.39 | Ebbs | Has anybody an idea to check my system for files which dont exist? |
| 11:53.44 | blazemonger | same here malt!! |
| 11:53.45 | Miten | I have tomsrtbt and on unzipping its now .img |
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| 11:53.49 | perlmonk | Compaq presario V5000. The PCMCIA port is NOT PCMCIA |
| 11:53.50 | mhall | perlmonk: i don't know what to tell you about them other than that they are dying in general |
| 11:54.12 | enouf | Miten: yes .. .iso .img usually same same |
| 11:54.14 | dreamer | damnit, I just did a dist-upgare, and now X won't start :( |
| 11:54.14 | perlmonk | mhall, Well, dlink is doing good |
| 11:54.17 | mhall | perlmonk: from what i can tell intel seems to be trying to pick up the slack; though i'm not expert enough in that ares to know if they are succeeding |
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| 11:54.37 | Miten | enouf: data mode 1 is fine ? |
| 11:54.48 | MatBoy | enouf, I hope you didn't jump of a building now I just said that ? |
| 11:54.54 | mhall | perlmonk: i myself develop network management and security software |
| 11:54.56 | enouf | Miten: rename it to an ISO if necessary .. I haven't used Nero in years and this isn't #Toms either :-P |
| 11:54.57 | Miten | enouf: shall I go ahead with default dialog |
| 11:55.03 | enouf | Miten: yep |
| 11:55.06 | mhall | perlmonk: as well as dabbling in traffic sampling technology |
| 11:55.12 | Miten | ok |
| 11:55.16 | perlmonk | ok |
| 11:55.20 | Thms | is the bug of the installer for the desktop (we need to install xserver-xorg-input-all) corrected ? |
| 11:55.26 | kakalto | dreamer: is that new? =/ do ya know where to go from there? |
| 11:55.44 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy to cool down :) |
| 11:55.45 | dreamer | kakalto: I did a dpkg-reconfigure, but to no avail |
| 11:55.53 | kakalto | dreamer: ah. what's the error? |
| 11:55.55 | Miten | enouf: should I check create image check box... |
| 11:56.14 | dreamer | kakalto: fatal IO error 104 |
| 11:56.21 | enouf | I forget .. um .. no .. that'kk right to the Virtual drive and create an ISO |
| 11:56.28 | enouf | you don't want that |
| 11:56.29 | kakalto | dreamer: did you just upgrade to etch? |
| 11:56.42 | enouf | Miten: ^^^ |
| 11:56.50 | enouf | that'll* |
| 11:57.06 | Miten | enouf: I see one more dialog now which shows action as burn and there is a check box create image |
| 11:57.08 | dreamer | kakalto: yes |
| 11:57.18 | kakalto | dreamer: what package did you dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:57.38 | dreamer | xserver-xorg |
| 11:57.40 | enouf | no create image .. leave it unticked .. you Set up the devices alrteady yes? |
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| 11:57.52 | enouf | Miten: ^^^ |
| 11:58.10 | enouf | wtf? |
| 11:58.18 | mhall | it's pretty amazing what you can learn about a network simply by sampling a few packets |
| 11:58.24 | Miten | enouf: what setup device ? I download tomsrtbt, unzipped it and now am using nero to create rescue cd....I dont know what you mean by setup device ... |
| 11:58.28 | enouf | NO PMs UNSOLICITED Mcboy |
| 11:58.31 | mhall | and it's very scalable technology |
| 11:58.36 | Ebbs | Can I do fsck on my mounted system without harming it? |
| 11:58.44 | malt | anyone know any good guides to installing gnome? |
| 11:58.46 | dreamer | kakalto: damnit, I have to go |
| 11:58.47 | kakalto | dreamer: did you read any notes on the upgrade, or just do it? |
| 11:58.50 | kakalto | ohk |
| 11:58.51 | malt | or site link |
| 11:58.54 | enouf | Ebbs: what FS? |
| 11:59.03 | enouf | Ebbs: generally no |
| 11:59.04 | blazemonger | malt: u having any luck? |
| 11:59.07 | Ebbs | enouf, ext2 |
| 11:59.08 | malt | no |
| 11:59.16 | blazemonger | malt: if u learn how to fix this plz tell me |
| 11:59.18 | kakalto | what's the difference between the -486 and the -686 kernels? |
| 11:59.23 | enouf | Ebbs: shutdown -rF |
| 11:59.25 | dreamer | kakalto: I just did it, but I did get a note about xserver-xorg that I should check if it's installed .. and it is .. |
| 11:59.30 | blazemonger | malt: did you download testing or stable? |
| 11:59.33 | Ebbs | enouf, sry, ext3 |
| 11:59.38 | malt | stable |
| 11:59.41 | enouf | Ebbs: shutdown -rF same answer :-) |
| 11:59.50 | Ebbs | enouf, thx |
| 11:59.51 | overnout | Ebbs: you could at least mount it ro |
| 12:00.00 | overnout | before you do anything like that |
| 12:00.03 | enouf | kakalto: don't worry about it .. if you have anything above a P-Pro .. go 686 |
| 12:00.19 | malt | My gnome will not start :/ |
| 12:00.24 | blazemonger | youre running "stable" and it didnt start into X either!?!? |
| 12:00.27 | kakalto | enouf: i'm just curious, is all |
| 12:00.27 | malt | i tryed startx |
| 12:00.29 | blazemonger | my gnome won't start either |
| 12:00.32 | malt | and rebooting the pc |
| 12:00.38 | enouf | kakalto: unless you have an AMD k6 .. then you miught need the 586 only |
| 12:00.53 | blazemonger | i tried everything too malt |
| 12:01.22 | kakalto | enouf: I realise that my computer is compatible with the -686 version... but I'm wondering what the advantage(s) are |
| 12:01.35 | mhall | kakalto: quite minimal |
| 12:01.36 | kakalto | >1GB RAM? SMP? |
| 12:01.39 | bokey | enouf, hehe.. hello there :) |
| 12:01.42 | dreamer | damnit, I have to got, bbl |
| 12:01.50 | mhall | does anybody remember that bot fact about gentoo warming the earth |
| 12:01.54 | mhall | !gentoosmite kakalto |
| 12:02.00 | enouf | kakalto: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/core.ars |
| 12:02.03 | kakalto | LOL |
| 12:02.08 | mhall | kakalto: ;-) |
| 12:02.09 | blazemonger | gentoo warming the Earth !?!? |
| 12:02.11 | blazemonger | how? |
| 12:02.13 | enouf | bokey: yo yo ma :-) |
| 12:02.18 | bokey | anyone know what setsid does ? i know it runs a program in a new session but i don't really understand what that means. |
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| 12:02.24 | mhall | blazemonger: by wasting CPU and turning lots of energy into heat |
| 12:02.24 | blazemonger | if they're warming the earth why am i freakin cold |
| 12:02.24 | bokey | enouf, heheh.. |
| 12:02.27 | kakalto | mhall: funny that you aimed that at me.. |
| 12:02.35 | blazemonger | and i dont live in antarctica either |
| 12:02.43 | kakalto | mhall: guess ya didn't know that gentoo has been my distro since I started? |
| 12:02.46 | kakalto | :P |
| 12:02.49 | mhall | kakalto: it was a joke because of your question about appropriate cpu-optimized kernels |
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| 12:02.53 | bokey | !setsid |
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| 12:02.58 | mhall | kakalto: which often implies you're thinking like a gentooer |
| 12:03.04 | mhall | kakalto: even if it turns out you aren't one |
| 12:03.05 | kakalto | mhall: but it's all the more funnier, because I /am/ a gentooer |
| 12:03.05 | kakalto | :P |
| 12:03.08 | blazemonger | mhall: doesn't EVERYONE waste CPU and turn the earth into heat who has a computer? |
| 12:03.24 | mhall | blazemonger: well the joke is because gentoo involves so much compiling |
| 12:03.34 | mhall | blazemonger: normally the cpu shuts part of itself down to save watts |
| 12:03.34 | enouf | !gentoomatic |
| 12:03.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoomatic is http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/gentoo.txt |
| 12:03.36 | kakalto | mhall: curiously, gentoo was my first delve into linux, and it's been my favourite, even with the bad experiences I had when I started |
| 12:03.39 | enouf | bah |
| 12:03.40 | mhall | blazemonger: but with gentoo you can't |
| 12:03.43 | blazemonger | if i ever saw a computer powerful enough to HEAT the Earth I would pay a shitload of money for that |
| 12:03.50 | enouf | !gentoo zealot |
| 12:03.59 | bokey | !zealot |
| 12:03.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zealot is a person like Error403, or a protos unit in StarCraft, both the original and the expansionpack Broodwar |
| 12:04.00 | blazemonger | gentoo was released by Republicans so what would you expect? They don't care about global warming |
| 12:04.02 | enouf | !ricer |
| 12:04.02 | dpkg | from memory, ricer is at gentoo |
| 12:04.15 | kakalto | blazemonger: I think the idea, is that all the gentoo users will heat up the world with all their processing |
| 12:04.24 | mhall | kakalto: i work about 50-60 hours in an average week and 80 in a bad week, i don't have time to deal with gentoo |
| 12:04.24 | bokey | gentoo sucks |
| 12:04.25 | ix | !gentoo |
| 12:04.25 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 12:04.28 | blazemonger | just like blagblagblag was released by anarchists but are against coporations |
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| 12:04.31 | bokey | !gentoo sucks |
| 12:04.36 | mhall | kakalto: i barely have time to deal with debian |
| 12:04.39 | mhall | !greenhous |
| 12:04.40 | mhall | !greenhouse |
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| 12:04.41 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 12:04.44 | enouf | mhall: I'm doing a /msg dpkg listvals gentoo .. to try and find the correct one .. but .. I'll do it in private :-) |
| 12:04.44 | mhall | hahaha |
| 12:04.48 | malt | anyone here have gnome working on there debian? |
| 12:04.50 | kakalto | LOL |
| 12:04.52 | mhall | enouf: there it is ;-) |
| 12:04.56 | enouf | ah .. greenhouse :-P |
| 12:05.07 | malt | i know everyone doesn't use console :P |
| 12:05.11 | blazemonger | i'm nowhere near anarchist but i believe a anarchist is NOT anti-corporation but anti-gov |
| 12:05.11 | kakalto | mhall: well, y'know, after the day-or-so compiling gentoo, you don't need to touch it for a long time |
| 12:05.13 | malt | for personal use |
| 12:05.14 | blazemonger | lol |
| 12:05.15 | kakalto | :P |
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| 12:05.25 | bokey | !dpkg tortue |
| 12:05.27 | bokey | !dpkg torture |
| 12:05.29 | mhall | kakalto: unless you need more tools ASAP |
| 12:05.36 | blazemonger | yet they have links to amnesty international lol |
| 12:05.41 | mhall | kakalto: i always have to install a lot of new shit because i'm a security engineer |
| 12:05.45 | blazemonger | inside the browser of their distro |
| 12:05.48 | kakalto | hehe |
| 12:05.58 | mhall | kakalto: often you get odd dependency loops where old packages have to be recompiled to link against new ones |
| 12:06.08 | blazemonger | kakalto: have you ever heard of an anarchist being against corporations? |
| 12:06.09 | mhall | kakalto: and you have to figure out how to set the shitty cflags |
| 12:06.23 | mhall | kakalto: personally i have lots of disk so i don't care if debian pulls in extra deps i don't user |
| 12:06.25 | kakalto | blazemonger: can't say I have, not that I've heard much about anarchists =) |
| 12:06.30 | mhall | kakalto: nor do i care if it wastes a bit of cpu |
| 12:06.39 | mhall | kakalto: i just care how productive i can be |
| 12:06.46 | mhall | kakalto: and gentoo for me was too kludgy |
| 12:06.50 | kakalto | mhall: but, y'know, I'm just a ricer through and through |
| 12:06.51 | kakalto | P: |
| 12:07.20 | kakalto | anyways. enough ado about nothing |
| 12:07.22 | malt | anyways i got my system video card information, and i installed gnome, x-window-system, xserver-xfree86, am i missing anything for gnome not to work? |
| 12:07.27 | blazemonger | kakalto: yah but if you ever meet a anarchist that is against corporations i will show you a Republican that loves freedom |
| 12:07.34 | enouf | MatBoy: try it |
| 12:07.41 | enouf | bah MatBoy sorry again |
| 12:07.48 | enouf | malt: try it.. |
| 12:07.53 | kakalto | blazemonger: lol |
| 12:07.58 | MatBoy | enouf, you own me some beer now :P |
| 12:08.04 | malt | enouf: I did, it doesn't work |
| 12:08.08 | mhall | sussudio: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/gentoo.txt is a work of great genius |
| 12:08.09 | enouf | !pony malt |
| 12:08.17 | enouf | !beer MatBoy |
| 12:08.22 | bokey | malt, should work. |
| 12:08.30 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 12:08.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:08.32 | malt | i used startx |
| 12:08.32 | mhall | malt: you installed a lot more than you needed but hey |
| 12:08.36 | blazemonger | kakalto: but if you vote for me I'll change the national anthem to Neil oung's "keep on Rockin in the Free World" |
| 12:08.52 | MatBoy | cydork, ping |
| 12:09.03 | malt | mhall: i choosed video card, and lcd |
| 12:09.07 | kakalto | blazemonger: well hey, I would vote for ya, but might have slight problems unless it's a global election |
| 12:09.08 | malt | is about all it asked |
| 12:09.12 | bokey | enouf, go do your nappy thingie |
| 12:09.14 | malt | and it doesn't work |
| 12:09.15 | bokey | enouf, hehe.. |
| 12:09.24 | enouf | malt: using Xorg/Etch? |
| 12:09.27 | malt | what else could i try doing mhall? |
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| 12:09.45 | malt | No, its the xfreeserver/xfree86 |
| 12:09.47 | malt | or something |
| 12:09.47 | kakalto | blazemonger: based on the parties you mention, sounds like you're not from middle earth... we have no republicans here |
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| 12:10.17 | blazemonger | kakalto: : WHAT?!?! you have no republicans there? Can I live with you? |
| 12:10.25 | blazemonger | I don't want democrats either..lol |
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| 12:10.44 | enouf | malt: grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 12:10.46 | blazemonger | i'm the header of the Rock'n'Roll Loony Party of my county |
| 12:10.57 | enouf | malt: do NOT flood the channel |
| 12:10.59 | mhall | blazemonger: a rose by any other name smells just as sweet :-/ |
| 12:11.08 | blazemonger | to make it manditory for parents to introduce their children to music that rocks |
| 12:11.19 | enouf | thanks bokey .. will try |
| 12:11.22 | blazemonger | so i wont have to die missing good rock music for years |
| 12:11.23 | kakalto | blazemonger: well, I'm not too clued up about the american system, but here, it's labour vs. national, not too clued in of the politics here either, but we're not a republic - democracy under the queen |
| 12:11.41 | kakalto | what do you call them... nations outside of britain, who still answer to britain? |
| 12:11.53 | bokey | enouf, :) |
| 12:11.55 | blazemonger | kakalto: what's democracy like? |
| 12:11.55 | enouf | satellites |
| 12:11.59 | mhall | kakalto: retarded? |
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| 12:12.04 | kakalto | lol |
| 12:12.10 | blazemonger | i don't want democracy..i want liberty |
| 12:12.10 | kakalto | mhall: actually, yeah |
| 12:12.10 | kakalto | :P |
| 12:12.28 | mhall | kakalto: :-> |
| 12:12.32 | kakalto | I mean, officially it's a democracy, but goodness knows what that really means.. |
| 12:12.36 | blazemonger | i'm one of those crazy ass musicians trying to use linux for music production |
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| 12:12.48 | kakalto | should we head on over to #debian-offtopic, or drop it? |
| 12:13.16 | blazemonger | man watching politicians meeting in one place is a scary thought..they're getting paid fuckloads of money |
| 12:13.28 | kakalto | blazemonger: no terror threats her.. |
| 12:13.29 | blazemonger | and im like yet these fuckers say they are NOT drug dealers |
| 12:13.31 | kakalto | *here |
| 12:13.34 | messju | hi, I am running sarge and configure says my libtool cannot build shared libraries. what am I missing? |
| 12:13.40 | mhall | kakalto: for some unknown reason people have always told me i come across a bit crass; i can't figure out why |
| 12:13.59 | blazemonger | kakalto: so you folks have liberty? |
| 12:14.02 | mhall | !tell messju about doesn't work |
| 12:14.03 | kakalto | blazemonger: well, everyone knows that the greens and the 'national legalise marijuana party' smoke dope, but y'know |
| 12:14.05 | mhall | !tell messju about pastebin |
| 12:14.11 | blazemonger | or is it just government? |
| 12:14.19 | messju | checking whether to build shared libraries... no |
| 12:14.30 | kakalto | blazemonger: we're working on moving completely independant of britain, if that's what you mean |
| 12:14.30 | messju | it a ./configure of stock php-5.1.6 |
| 12:14.41 | mhall | messju: ./configure --help might reveal you need --enable-shared |
| 12:14.45 | kakalto | blazemonger: but it's a rather big debate topic around now |
| 12:14.48 | mhall | messju: better yet why the fuck are you recompiling php |
| 12:14.49 | blazemonger | i dont want to legalize marijuana. I want to legalize *ALL* drugs |
| 12:15.01 | blazemonger | that's good kakalto |
| 12:15.01 | messju | mhall: I have it enabled |
| 12:15.13 | mhall | messju: ok fair enough but why? |
| 12:15.20 | blazemonger | I'd help yall cuz i hate british people..ive met one..he was an asshole |
| 12:15.24 | Maximilianoadl_ | blasemonger... may be we can legalize murderers too ! |
| 12:15.29 | blazemonger | a egotistical asshole.. |
| 12:15.38 | kakalto | blazemonger: well, because of their small scope, they only get maybe a few thousand votes each election.. out of 4 million |
| 12:15.40 | enouf | one asshole a country makes? |
| 12:15.48 | mhall | enouf: well said |
| 12:15.59 | blazemonger | Maximilianoadl_: legalizing drugs will cut back on murder cuz ppl would be too fucked up to commit crime |
| 12:16.01 | kakalto | Maximilianoadl_: why, that's brilliant! I must write to my MP and suggest it. |
| 12:16.02 | rumpl | blazemonger, you hate british people because you met ONE british asshole?!? hm... |
| 12:16.12 | enouf | ok ok .. offtopic folks .. chill time |
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| 12:16.13 | mhall | probably blazemonger is trolling |
| 12:16.18 | blazemonger | well im Irish |
| 12:16.19 | blazemonger | :) |
| 12:16.20 | cahoot | they'd still irc though |
| 12:16.23 | blazemonger | hehehe |
| 12:16.32 | perlmonk | This explains a lot |
| 12:16.33 | blazemonger | but live in mississippi |
| 12:16.34 | mhall | messju: i suggest you consider backports.org, etc |
| 12:16.36 | kakalto | blazemonger: ya might be trolling, but it's interesting trolling. head on over to #debian-offtopic ;-) |
| 12:16.37 | blazemonger | i dont hate british people though |
| 12:16.52 | blazemonger | i just want them out of my dreamland of Ireland |
| 12:16.56 | messju | mhall: the version from backpost is php-5.2.0beta - which is broken for me |
| 12:17.03 | mhall | kakalto: d-ot is really more of a social community than a dumping ground for crap btw |
| 12:17.06 | blazemonger | kakalto: im not trolling though |
| 12:17.07 | mhall | messju: what kind of broken |
| 12:17.12 | blazemonger | i'm having trouble with debian too |
| 12:17.16 | kakalto | mhall: /dot? |
| 12:17.22 | blazemonger | im having that other guys same prob |
| 12:17.29 | perlmonk | blazemonger, Lots of irish people want them out ? |
| 12:17.32 | mhall | kakalto: d-ot is short for #debian-offtopic |
| 12:17.33 | blazemonger | malt's debian problem |
| 12:17.37 | blazemonger | yah perlmonk |
| 12:17.37 | kakalto | mhall: ah |
| 12:17.40 | messju | mhall: segfault when accessing array elements with null as key (but not always) |
| 12:17.49 | mhall | messju: oh that is foobarred |
| 12:17.53 | mhall | messju: hmm |
| 12:17.58 | perlmonk | blazemonger, well, no way to kick their ass out ? |
| 12:18.04 | blazemonger | fucking Brits..I don't trust their news media |
| 12:18.06 | kakalto | mhall: here was I thinking, "you're mistyping /., and got the wrong idea" :P |
| 12:18.08 | mhall | messju: sarge right? |
| 12:18.13 | cydork | MatBoy: pong |
| 12:18.17 | mhall | kakalto: heh |
| 12:18.22 | blazemonger | perlmonk: unfourtunately not |
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| 12:18.28 | MatBoy | cydork, I'm getting drunk |
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| 12:18.37 | messju | mhall: yep. maybe I just tell apt to use the stock php5 and not the backport's php5 |
| 12:18.37 | mhall | kakalto: but /. is a dumping ground for crap more than it is a social community =( |
| 12:18.41 | blazemonger | but the bad thing is the IRA gave up their guns |
| 12:18.43 | kakalto | mhall: exactly. |
| 12:18.51 | cydork | MatBoy: that's not new :) |
| 12:18.59 | perlmonk | blazemonger, there's no excuse to terrorism |
| 12:19.01 | blazemonger | then again if i LIVED in Britian I would be a asshole |
| 12:19.14 | cahoot | you manage quite well as is |
| 12:19.30 | mhall | messju: yeah that's probably a good way to go |
| 12:19.33 | rumpl | what is the connection between you being an asshole and debian? |
| 12:19.36 | MatBoy | cydork, not for you indeed ;) |
| 12:19.39 | mhall | messju: package pins is what it's called |
| 12:19.41 | blazemonger | nope that's them having guns to defend themselves |
| 12:19.45 | mhall | messju: or install the old one and mark it with a hold |
| 12:19.55 | perlmonk | Still, as a celtic I am, I wish you peace, brother. |
| 12:20.08 | blazemonger | cuz u know..if government was a product selling it would be illegal lol |
| 12:20.25 | kakalto | yay, last 5gb of files to copy before reboot |
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| 12:21.10 | Thms | is postfix using mysql ? |
| 12:21.39 | kombi_ | in debian, where to best put permanent iptables rules? |
| 12:21.46 | kombi_ | Thms: not necessarily |
| 12:22.19 | blazemonger | kakalto: you know what? did you know that government has killed MORE people than guns, drugs, cigarettes, cancer and cars have ever killed |
| 12:22.27 | vaq | kombi_: place a script in /etc/init.d and run update-rc.d script defaults |
| 12:22.30 | blazemonger | look at the Bible |
| 12:22.56 | blazemonger | they had government in the bible.if one would do it another one wold do it |
| 12:23.26 | blazemonger | it's all about people taking control over other peole putting microchipz in ppls arms |
| 12:23.29 | kakalto | blazemonger: well, if you look at it that way, man's biggest enemy is man - simple fact |
| 12:23.54 | blazemonger | well IMO man's biggest enemy is his ownself |
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| 12:24.04 | kakalto | blazemonger: well, yeah |
| 12:24.07 | blazemonger | it's just that this planet has become a psychiatric hospital |
| 12:24.08 | cahoot | profund indeed |
| 12:24.11 | kombi_ | vaq: init.d makes sense, so there is no other place like somewhere in etc? |
| 12:24.15 | blazemonger | a insane insylum |
| 12:24.19 | kakalto | blazemonger: has become? when was it not? |
| 12:24.23 | blazemonger | and a freak-show |
| 12:24.26 | kombi_ | blacemonger: or this chanel? |
| 12:24.31 | vaq | kombi_: no. There is no default file to place iptables rules. |
| 12:24.35 | blazemonger | oh yeah youre right lol |
| 12:24.46 | kakalto | blazemonger: but what would you suggest, no leadership at all, end up with no direction? |
| 12:24.47 | kombi_ | thanks vaq! |
| 12:24.53 | blazemonger | that's why I want to have a globl ANTI-Earth protests but i cant get anyone to join my cause |
| 12:25.03 | blazemonger | cuz we need to destroy the Earth before it kills us |
| 12:25.18 | blazemonger | J/K lol it's just that Earth is like a dictatorship of boredom |
| 12:25.19 | kakalto | blazemonger: ya know what, a couple of friends and I have been talking about that lately |
| 12:25.33 | blazemonger | if Earthlings have fun they're punished by govts |
| 12:25.47 | kakalto | blazemonger: you see, we get a giant wick, and stick it into the side of the earth.... then light, and watch the fireworks =) |
| 12:25.47 | blazemonger | ready?!?!?! ANTI-Earth protests!?!? |
| 12:26.07 | blazemonger | That's what I'm saying dude |
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| 12:26.20 | kakalto | got my support, man. |
| 12:26.24 | kakalto | ghehe |
| 12:26.32 | blazemonger | fuck yeah!! man and we can like start some stupid organization and charge people money for j oining us |
| 12:26.33 | kakalto | *hehe |
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| 12:26.41 | messju | but the fact that my libtool cannot create shared libraries bothers me anyway |
| 12:26.45 | blazemonger | and we'll make a buck while screwing over the planet |
| 12:26.50 | kakalto | yeah! we could call it the world health organisation... |
| 12:26.56 | blazemonger | I think that AIR should be banned |
| 12:26.57 | kakalto | we moderate the health of the world! |
| 12:27.06 | blazemonger | we'd all be alot healthier |
| 12:27.13 | kakalto | yeah. |
| 12:27.18 | rumpl | once the planet screwed, what are you going to do with that money? it will have no use anymore... |
| 12:27.18 | blazemonger | we should have banners that say "Ban Air" "Ban Earth" |
| 12:27.19 | kakalto | didn't you hear? air is actually bad for you. |
| 12:27.26 | kakalto | so is food, water, and a bunch of other stufdf |
| 12:27.28 | tarzeau | did someone ever fully automate the debian-installer rc1 debian etch using network boot preseeding and kernel parameters? |
| 12:27.39 | tarzeau | i keep failing at the language chooser |
| 12:27.44 | blazemonger | well need it when we travel to other planets |
| 12:27.49 | kakalto | rumpl: we can burn it! stick it to the man! |
| 12:27.52 | blazemonger | and trade money |
| 12:28.12 | blazemonger | we earthlings can give another race alot of counterfeit money |
| 12:28.31 | kakalto | know what? we should take off with one of them money-printing machines |
| 12:28.40 | kakalto | and a few trees, while we're at it |
| 12:28.46 | kakalto | oh wait, money is plastic these days |
| 12:28.55 | blazemonger | I like the Democrats better than the Republicans but at least the Republicans make a buck while raping the Earth |
| 12:29.00 | cahoot | hmm two /ignores really made a difference |
| 12:29.12 | blazemonger | wait i wouldnt want to rape the earth.i'd get crabs |
| 12:29.12 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:29.25 | kakalto | =/ |
| 12:29.47 | eps | last nights xorg update was broken; any word on that? |
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| 12:30.40 | cahoot | eps: nothing on bts? |
| 12:30.43 | blazemonger | eps: xorg has been broken for a week |
| 12:31.15 | hark | eps: broken, how? |
| 12:31.18 | eps | oh right... |
| 12:31.36 | eps | http://www.winehq.com/pipermail/wine-users/2006-December/023956.html (not my bug but has the same error) |
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| 12:32.40 | Maximilianoadl_ | blazemonger do you see what the republicans think about linux and the FSF??? |
| 12:33.19 | blazemonger | Maximilianoadl_: I know Republicans that use linux |
| 12:33.22 | eps | very off topic for debian... |
| 12:33.24 | blazemonger | they love linux. |
| 12:33.42 | blazemonger | at least these people i know that SAY they're Republican.. |
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| 12:33.59 | blazemonger | i'm a Libertarian and think licensing is a sham anyway |
| 12:34.09 | protocol1 | is there a way to get a usb camera working? |
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| 12:34.19 | blazemonger | one of those crazy arse libertarians |
| 12:34.27 | Maximilianoadl_ | blazemonger see this http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2006/12/01/linux-the-reliability-myth-debunked.aspx |
| 12:34.28 | protocol1 | usb web camera on etch? |
| 12:34.42 | kakalto | bah, politics. |
| 12:34.56 | Maximilianoadl_ | blazemonger... and have some fun |
| 12:35.40 | blazemonger | and a Libertarian is like a Republican that likes to smoke dope, watch porn and copy warez |
| 12:36.16 | blazemonger | Maximilianoadl_: oh nice..the Linux Mafia is developing new strategies |
| 12:36.17 | blazemonger | nice |
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| 12:37.27 | eps | updating to todays xorg update fixes issues I reported above :) |
| 12:37.29 | Maximilianoadl_ | blazemonger.... i think this "MUST" be satiric... i cannot believe this guys are talking seriously |
| 12:37.30 | eps | kthx |
| 12:38.00 | kakalto | sounds like today was a good day for me to choose to install etch =) |
| 12:38.09 | kakalto | xorg fixes just released, paving the way for me |
| 12:38.12 | blazemonger | Maximilianoadl_: yah i see this is satire cuz i know ALOT of friends who are Republicans |
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| 12:39.27 | blazemonger | Maximilianoadl_: i wish i had a stable linux that's not blag |
| 12:39.49 | blazemonger | cuz blag has all of this political crap in it..but they say it's a "anarchist" distribution |
| 12:39.53 | blazemonger | im like yeah right |
| 12:40.43 | kakalto | blazemonger: haven't you heard of the archist party? :P |
| 12:40.48 | kakalto | *anarchist |
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| 12:41.21 | simmerz_ | why does `zgrep -Rv "(.gif)" file*gz` give me lines with .gif in them? -v should make it a negative search |
| 12:41.28 | kakalto | anyways, I'm out reboot into a new kernel, new drivers and some form of GUI |
| 12:41.30 | kakalto | byebye |
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| 12:42.19 | blazemonger | kakarot: Anarchist Party HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's like saying a Pro-Drug that works for the DEA |
| 12:42.22 | blazemonger | lol lol |
| 12:42.26 | blazemonger | Im blazed |
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| 12:45.21 | blazemonger | kakarot: so will you join my anti-Earth movement? |
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| 12:45.38 | blazemonger | oh when you can litter all over the place when convenient. |
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| 12:47.39 | predder` | With GPG keys - Can they have multiple UIDS with different email addresses? and if so does the key itself change when I add/remove email addresses? |
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| 12:50.50 | MatBoy | cydork, goodluck ! |
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| 12:52.58 | dererk[work] | Buenos días!/G'Morning! :) |
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| 12:54.14 | timewriter | hello |
| 12:54.30 | timewriter | for installing debian , do i need all the cd`s ? |
| 12:54.37 | timewriter | or just the first one ? |
| 12:54.51 | azeem | timewriter: if you have decent internet, the first one is more than enough |
| 12:54.57 | timewriter | i have 10 mb/sec |
| 12:55.01 | timewriter | i think its enough |
| 12:55.04 | azeem | yes |
| 12:55.07 | timewriter | thank you |
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| 12:55.20 | timewriter | is this link ok ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:55.51 | azeem | yes, unless you have a 64bit box or want to install the release candidate of the next version |
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| 12:56.06 | timewriter | im running a intel pentium D on 3.4 |
| 12:56.22 | azeem | that sounds like it has em64t? |
| 12:56.31 | timewriter | 64 bit support yes |
| 12:56.51 | azeem | timewriter: then you could also install the amd64 version if you want |
| 12:56.52 | azeem | your choice |
| 12:57.07 | timewriter | amd64 version works on intel ? |
| 12:57.14 | DerJamster | no. |
| 12:57.32 | timewriter | ill get this i386 |
| 12:57.33 | PDani__ | in the output of dpkg -l, what the meaning of "ic" and "rc" flags? |
| 12:59.57 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter.. if you have a good internet connection you may download the netinstat cd iso... only 140 mb and install all other by net |
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| 13:01.42 | timewriter | i never did that Maximilianoadl_ |
| 13:01.49 | timewriter | im affraid i wont handle it |
| 13:03.22 | PDani__ | i got the following message, when i tried to install mysql-server: Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. |
| 13:03.22 | PDani__ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.30-3_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
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| 13:07.23 | raj | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 13:07.23 | raj | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 13:09.25 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid for that, raj |
| 13:09.26 | Ab3l | hi everybody, there's a way to make this card work LIFEVIEW FLYDVB-T HYBRID (tv tuner) |
| 13:09.40 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 13:09.41 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
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| 13:11.18 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 13:11.42 | timewriter | im almost there |
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| 13:13.47 | jetscreamer | i'm sure he missed the solution to his problem |
| 13:14.10 | timewriter | what are the differences between first 3.1 and this r 4 ? |
| 13:14.11 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter.. it is simple only download the netinstat iso, burn a cd, put it into the cd driver, restart the computer booting from cd and follow the instructions (you must be connected to internet) |
| 13:14.24 | timewriter | Maximilianoadl_ i downloadez already the first iso cd |
| 13:14.30 | timewriter | downloaded* |
| 13:14.31 | Maximilianoadl_ | ok |
| 13:14.46 | Maximilianoadl_ | imewriter... use this cd its ok |
| 13:14.51 | timewriter | thank yoy |
| 13:14.52 | timewriter | you* |
| 13:15.01 | jetscreamer | no it will melt your hd |
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| 13:15.09 | timewriter | burning |
| 13:15.31 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter. i thought you didnt download any yet |
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| 13:15.56 | timewriter | i will burn this hdd myself :) |
| 13:16.00 | timewriter | it annoys me |
| 13:16.05 | timewriter | stoopid seagate |
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| 13:16.40 | disposable | stupid beryl crashed my X again! |
| 13:16.45 | timewriter | lol |
| 13:16.53 | jetscreamer | gee |
| 13:16.59 | timewriter | you like eye-candy :) |
| 13:16.59 | jetscreamer | !info beryl |
| 13:17.18 | timewriter | what version of gnome does this debian contain ? |
| 13:17.26 | disposable | that's what i get for using SVN version... |
| 13:18.31 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter... i donnot know... may be 2.8 i use XFce (in a celeron A 533 mhz :-() |
| 13:18.39 | timewriter | :( |
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| 13:19.36 | timewriter | what if i install sid ? |
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| 13:19.47 | timewriter | something wrong with it ? |
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| 13:20.16 | jetscreamer | at a guess i would suggest you wait to install sid |
| 13:20.19 | utab | why do I get this through evince "(evince:3392): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_get_colormap: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed" |
| 13:20.23 | blondie | !sid |
| 13:20.24 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 13:20.37 | disposable | Sid Is Dangerous |
| 13:20.48 | timewriter | i think ill need more skills for maintaining sid |
| 13:20.58 | timewriter | sid is my favourite in ice Age |
| 13:21.01 | timewriter | fiiiiiree kiiiing |
| 13:21.09 | timewriter | haha |
| 13:23.20 | timewriter | ok |
| 13:23.22 | timewriter | cd ready |
| 13:23.27 | timewriter | cross my finger and jump |
| 13:23.36 | timewriter | ill see if i still know how to fly |
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| 13:24.56 | bkw | Can I easily findout temperatures in my server, how do I do it? |
| 13:25.04 | blondie | !lmsensors |
| 13:25.05 | dpkg | from memory, lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
| 13:25.16 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter... dont worry it is easy |
| 13:25.46 | bkw | blondie: is it enough installing the package on 2.6, or do I have to recompile etc...? |
| 13:25.56 | Maximilianoadl_ | timewriter. do you have only one computer...? |
| 13:25.59 | blondie | you don't need to compile |
| 13:27.34 | Ab3l | hi everybody, there's a way to make this card work LIFEVIEW FLYDVB-T HYBRID (tv tuner) |
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| 13:28.09 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=LIFEVIEW+FLYDVB-T+HYBRID&restrict=linux |
| 13:28.15 | jetscreamer | looks like |
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| 13:29.15 | jetscreamer | 1 billion years later... [07.26.56] <dpkg> Package 'beryl' does not exist. |
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| 13:30.06 | jetscreamer | [07.18.52] <jetscreamer> !info beryl |
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| 13:30.58 | Thms | !info beryl |
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| 13:31.04 | utab | have somebody got this error from envince (evince:3392): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_get_colormap: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed and some more similar errors |
| 13:31.11 | monokrome | :| |
| 13:31.46 | monokrome | I've just installed Debian on my MacBook Pro, and it seems XOrg didn't set up right. It is saying all my fonts and modules don't exist. Anyone seen this before? |
| 13:31.48 | jetscreamer | i get errors similar to that quite a bit when i sudo stuff |
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| 13:32.23 | jetscreamer | monokrome: try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all maybe, that seems to be common |
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| 13:32.37 | jetscreamer | not sure about the fonts part though |
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| 13:34.04 | monokrome | dude |
| 13:34.05 | bkw | I've installed xorg package. but when I try to startx I get (EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 13:34.05 | monokrome | jetscreamer: |
| 13:34.43 | monokrome | I love you |
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| 13:34.50 | jetscreamer | bkw try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all maybe, that seems to be common |
| 13:34.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:34.54 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:35.02 | christopher_l | I bought a mini wireless keyboard with touchpad, the device manager finds it, but it's not working, |
| 13:35.03 | christopher_l | anyone? It's a http://www.amitech.dk/. |
| 13:35.37 | monokrome | jetscreamer: That has been happening to me for 5 weeks now, and every time it happens I pull my hair out for days. |
| 13:35.45 | jetscreamer | actually i know that should fix you up bkw |
| 13:35.58 | bkw | hold on |
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| 13:35.59 | disposable | i want to install something on my Potato box. last time i updated/upgraded it was cca 2 months before Woody became stable. what's the name of the server that provides debian repositories for certain dates? i.e. 2months before woody. |
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| 13:36.02 | monokrome | jetscreamer: Is it related to ATI hardware? |
| 13:36.07 | jetscreamer | i wasn't sure about you though monokrome |
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| 13:36.21 | jetscreamer | nah a package that should get pulled in doesn't |
| 13:36.22 | monokrome | lol |
| 13:36.25 | jetscreamer | it used to work |
| 13:36.27 | monokrome | well it did :) |
| 13:36.38 | jetscreamer | they broke it, and the fix is in or being put in |
| 13:36.42 | jetscreamer | but it's not in yet |
| 13:36.48 | fireba11 | disasm: POTATO ? wtf? update it already, manit ^^ |
| 13:36.54 | fireba11 | ups |
| 13:37.00 | fireba11 | disposable : that is |
| 13:37.02 | monokrome | Good thing that worked. Setting up Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X all on one system was insanely difficult. |
| 13:37.20 | azeem | disposable: there are no upgrades to potato |
| 13:37.23 | jetscreamer | not after you do it a 100 times though |
| 13:37.28 | disposable | fireba11, i don't want to dist-upgrade it, i like the old gnome. |
| 13:37.41 | azeem | disposable: you can get packages from it via archive.debian.org, I guess |
| 13:37.44 | azeem | !archive |
| 13:37.44 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:37.49 | azeem | that's not it |
| 13:37.53 | azeem | disposable: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 13:37.57 | jetscreamer | pdo ? |
| 13:38.03 | azeem | pdO? |
| 13:38.24 | fireba11 | disposable: then just tell it not to upgrade gnome :-) |
| 13:38.25 | Ab3l | hi everybody, there's a way to make this card work LIFEVIEW FLYDVB-T HYBRID (tv tuner) |
| 13:38.44 | jetscreamer | i already answered that question Ab3l ... seems to be yes. |
| 13:38.45 | azeem | fireba11: he does |
| 13:39.03 | Ab3l | <jetscreamer> sorry didin't saw th e answer |
| 13:39.03 | disposable | fireba11, i don't think dpkg would be able to handle the gtk1 and gtk2 differences |
| 13:39.14 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=LIFEVIEW+FLYDVB-T+HYBRID&restrict=linux |
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| 13:41.49 | disposable | azeem, there was a server which had something like deb http://something/debian-24122002 etc etc. does it ring any bells? |
| 13:42.37 | jetscreamer | yes there's a factoid in the bot on finding old packages |
| 13:43.12 | Ab3l | jetscreamer just another question there's definitvely tuner card that works 100? |
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| 13:44.07 | norc | which package does contain xfs_fsr? |
| 13:44.13 | jetscreamer | !debian archive |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | methinks debian archive is http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:44.18 | bkw | jetscreamer: thanks for that. |
| 13:44.21 | kuhwallskee | Ab3l, tv tuner card? |
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| 13:44.36 | jetscreamer | norc: apt-file |
| 13:44.39 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 13:44.39 | Ab3l | <kuhwallskee> yes preferably an hybrid one (dvb-t + analog) |
| 13:44.39 | dpkg | [apt-file] util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 13:44.57 | azeem | disposable: that's snapshot.debian.net, but I doubt it has potato packages |
| 13:45.06 | kuhwallskee | Ab3l, I know there is.. Mine that I had like 3 years ago worked. |
| 13:45.16 | norc | jetscreamer: oh ok thanks : |
| 13:45.16 | jetscreamer | Ab3l: yes i think so if you mean 100% but i don't have a card one so not sure |
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| 13:45.41 | Ab3l | i just need a suggestion in order to buy a thin gthat work ;) |
| 13:45.53 | disposable | azeem, THAT'S THE ONE! thank you. (sorry for screaming) |
| 13:45.54 | jetscreamer | go to the video4linux page |
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| 13:46.01 | Ab3l | alerady bought the pinnacle 320e pro usb and didn't worked |
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| 13:46.32 | jetscreamer | you're welcome disposable |
| 13:46.47 | jetscreamer | http://www.video4linux.net/ |
| 13:47.01 | disposable | shit.. they've scrapped potato and woody :( |
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| 13:47.04 | jetscreamer | errr |
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| 13:47.14 | azeem | disposable: look, potato and woody are no longer supported |
| 13:47.25 | azeem | disposable: you can get potato packages from archive.debia.org, but that's it |
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| 13:48.31 | jetscreamer | Ab3l: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/ |
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| 13:48.48 | erchache | i have debian etch |
| 13:48.50 | erchache | amd64 |
| 13:48.57 | erchache | and i have some problems with mysql 5 |
| 13:49.05 | dareth | any idea when etch will release and become stable? |
| 13:49.10 | erchache | has etch any mysql 5 important bug? |
| 13:49.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
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| 13:49.36 | Ronin | dareth: when its ready :) sometime before the end of the year hopefully heh |
| 13:49.44 | dareth | what probs with mysql are you having |
| 13:49.51 | jetscreamer | i promise you it will be before 2010 |
| 13:49.58 | dareth | Thanks Ronin, it will be ready when it is done, not a second sooner eh? |
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| 13:50.13 | azeem | dareth: soon |
| 13:50.16 | dareth | I liked the 3 year after Woody went stable. |
| 13:50.31 | jetscreamer | according to the doc on debian.org, dec 2006 |
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| 13:50.34 | Ronin | dareth: well it was supposed to be last december but they ran into problems so hopefully it wont be much longer |
| 13:50.35 | jetscreamer | they should change that |
| 13:50.36 | dareth | Nice and productive, one of those boxes is still chugging along. |
| 13:50.43 | MZM | is ftp.debian-unofficial.org online? |
| 13:51.14 | azeem | MZM: why don't you check yourself? |
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| 13:51.31 | MZM | azeem, it's down for me, but for You? |
| 13:51.54 | disposable | azeem: but i love my old gnome... :'( and my old Sun Pizzabox won't boot anything else. no cdrom, no floppy anymore. and no way to dist upgrade to woody and then to sarge. :'( |
| 13:52.10 | azeem | MZM: I can browse http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org at least |
| 13:52.10 | capiira | hi how good testing usually work ? will i be able run it in the future without big problems |
| 13:52.13 | whatspy | hello, is there a way to install lighttpd and it's dependencies with aptitude? it is not currently available in the stable release but well it'd be way easier this way |
| 13:52.16 | capiira | ? |
| 13:52.26 | MZM | azeem, damn' ISP! |
| 13:52.33 | azeem | disposable: you haven't explained why you *need* any potato packages at this point |
| 13:52.54 | jetscreamer | capiira: should |
| 13:53.03 | ktwilight | can i test an installation with dpkg? something like apt-get -s |
| 13:53.12 | capiira | even when lenny starts? |
| 13:53.12 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:53.29 | dareth | You can't put packages on a USB flash drive,, box no have USB eh? |
| 13:53.43 | disposable | azeem: i dont think it matters anymore. i think i've got a sun pizzabox for sale now :) thanks for help |
| 13:53.48 | ktwilight | man dpkg doesn't tell me if there is one :/ |
| 13:54.30 | eilker | hi to all, instaling debian already, doent debian has graphical installer ? or it is in text mode because of other reasons ? |
| 13:55.01 | capiira | i know its hard to say if i will have problems when testing change to lenny but maybe a experience testing user anyone know how it was in the past |
| 13:55.06 | ktwilight | synaptics maybe eilker |
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| 13:55.18 | capiira | i want to run it as desktop |
| 13:55.28 | Jaus | Hi, wich command do I need to see wich port is used for X program? |
| 13:55.31 | jetscreamer | ktwilight: --no-act | --dry-run | --simulate |
| 13:55.56 | jetscreamer | learn to read the manpage more |
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| 13:56.06 | ktwilight | am doing my best :( |
| 13:56.11 | capiira | and want use it as desktop and not really have to fight with hardcore problems |
| 13:56.21 | capiira | at least not daily |
| 13:56.24 | eilker | ktwilight: synaptic ? but it is for packages...i talk for debian os installation |
| 13:56.29 | jetscreamer | capiira: remember to explicitly install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 13:56.30 | ktwilight | o |
| 13:56.39 | dareth | Your best is not good enough for Ole Jetscreamer... he used to criticize Megatron alot too in the old days. |
| 13:56.43 | ktwilight | thanks jetscreamer :) |
| 13:56.49 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 13:56.55 | jetscreamer | that was StarScream |
| 13:57.09 | jetscreamer | wrong cartoon dude :) |
| 13:57.20 | jetscreamer | <--jetsons |
| 13:57.25 | ktwilight | :( |
| 13:57.27 | dareth | nog |
| 13:57.30 | capiira | what do you mean with that jetscreamer ? |
| 13:57.42 | jetscreamer | capiira: i meant exactly what i said |
| 13:57.51 | dareth | memory going in my old age. |
| 13:57.51 | jetscreamer | as in be sure you do it yourself |
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| 13:58.02 | capiira | what that an hardcore error in the past? |
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| 13:58.15 | jetscreamer | it's a hardcore error in the present |
| 13:58.22 | capiira | oh eheh |
| 13:58.35 | capiira | everything is working here |
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| 13:58.56 | eilker | instaling debian etch already, doesnt debian has graphical installer ? could anyone tell pls |
| 13:59.08 | capiira | mits the same just colored |
| 13:59.09 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 13:59.12 | capiira | hehe |
| 13:59.36 | disposable | eilker, it has. |
| 13:59.40 | capiira | type installgui |
| 13:59.51 | capiira | or expertgui |
| 13:59.55 | capiira | what you want |
| 13:59.59 | edison04 | Help someone can point me where i can find documentation about how operating system save file on a hard disk. Each step including the I/O call ... ? |
| 13:59.59 | erchache | can i downgrade my mysql installation with apt? |
| 14:00.00 | jetscreamer | good thing somebody knows how to call it though... i didn't |
| 14:00.07 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 14:00.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 14:00.11 | capiira | :) |
| 14:00.23 | eilker | but it started in text mode...anyway no problem |
| 14:00.33 | erchache | how i can upgrade to testing? |
| 14:00.39 | jetscreamer | eilker: when you boot the cd and get a boot: prompt |
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| 14:00.44 | erchache | hehehe this can reply |
| 14:00.45 | jetscreamer | you type that |
| 14:00.45 | capiira | maybe its your install cd |
| 14:00.55 | jetscreamer | also hit f2 or so |
| 14:01.00 | jetscreamer | and read all about it |
| 14:01.19 | eilker | jetscreamer: i just hit enter :D |
| 14:01.23 | disposable | erchache, change /etc/apt/sources.list by replacing all sarge or stable with testing or etch. then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:01.23 | jetscreamer | the etch installer has the gui |
| 14:01.30 | jetscreamer | not sure about sarge.. i think not though |
| 14:01.38 | capiira | sarge dont |
| 14:01.44 | erchache | im on etch now |
| 14:01.49 | erchache | and has a problem with mysql |
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| 14:02.01 | capiira | but the graphical installer is the same |
| 14:02.02 | disposable | erchache, etch IS the testing |
| 14:02.14 | erchache | in this case i have a BIG problem |
| 14:02.23 | eilker | erchache: i will be on etch too after some minutes |
| 14:02.48 | erchache | when unfreez etch? |
| 14:02.48 | disposable | erchache, look fella, i'am trying to dist-upgrade a machine last upgraded in 2002. talk to me about problems ... |
| 14:02.57 | disposable | :) |
| 14:02.58 | erchache | jejejeje ;-) |
| 14:03.01 | capiira | when stbale get released |
| 14:03.13 | erchache | and this is.....when? |
| 14:03.18 | capiira | dunno |
| 14:03.24 | capiira | when there is no more hardcore errors |
| 14:03.26 | cyzie | is there any step by step for file sharing using NFS? |
| 14:03.27 | jetscreamer | disposable: i believe the recommended method is upgrade potato to sarge or woody first , but i forget.. just read it once somewhere |
| 14:03.28 | capiira | hehe |
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| 14:04.02 | disposable | jetscreamer, i know, that's why i'm scr*wed. would you like to buy a 20mhz sun sparcstation? :) |
| 14:04.11 | capiira | hee |
| 14:04.42 | jetscreamer | ah no sorry dude not atm i have to buy bubblegum |
| 14:04.45 | capiira | i would say "garbage" |
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| 14:05.15 | disposable | jetscreamer, don't worry, i'll hold onto it for the moment and then sell it to some museum |
| 14:05.34 | fireba11 | disposable: upgrade one release a time is the savest way |
| 14:06.03 | disposable | fireba11, with no floppy or cdrom, just ethernet |
| 14:07.20 | monokrome | hrm |
| 14:07.27 | capiira | how was etch in the first months of live? |
| 14:07.38 | capiira | f |
| 14:07.39 | monokrome | It seems that I don't have the xserver-xgl package. Anyone know why it wouldn't exist? |
| 14:07.44 | jetscreamer | just like sid at the time |
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| 14:08.01 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search xgl maybe |
| 14:08.06 | cydork | monokrome: coz xgl is not in debian :) |
| 14:08.12 | monokrome | Doesn't bring anything up |
| 14:08.24 | capiira | then maybe running sid would be better? |
| 14:08.31 | capiira | becuase of faster updates |
| 14:08.32 | jetscreamer | aiglx or something i think |
| 14:08.42 | jetscreamer | try compiz |
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| 14:08.48 | jetscreamer | searching for it i mean |
| 14:09.01 | ufk | i have debian 64 bit installed, what packages do i need to install for 32 bit compatibility ? |
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| 14:09.24 | cydork | ufk: ia32-libs or a chroot install. |
| 14:09.41 | ufk | thank you |
| 14:10.22 | tarzeau | someone from purdue here? |
| 14:10.31 | capiira | sid cant be that bad or ? how is sid compared to a fedora release :)? |
| 14:10.49 | jetscreamer | ppl run sid all the time |
| 14:10.56 | jetscreamer | it breaks sometimes |
| 14:10.57 | capiira | still more stable, less stable or equal fedora? |
| 14:11.03 | jetscreamer | you live with it or you don't |
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| 14:11.16 | jetscreamer | dunno i installed rh once for 5 minutes |
| 14:11.37 | eilker | hi, could someone tell me about LVM simply ? i dont understand it... |
| 14:11.37 | capiira | i want to work with it and dont really want to fight with the os daily |
| 14:11.56 | capiira | but i also wont to stick with the packages for the next 2 years |
| 14:12.14 | capiira | its for desktop |
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| 14:12.35 | monokrome | Argh. I keep getting the "extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display" crap. :/ |
| 14:12.39 | capiira | should i get sid or testing? |
| 14:12.52 | cydork | capiira: go for testing :) |
| 14:12.56 | capiira | or stop using both |
| 14:12.57 | capiira | hehe |
| 14:13.10 | capiira | even after etch? cydork |
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| 14:13.16 | MZM | capiira, for you maybee ubuntu will be better... |
| 14:13.37 | capiira | hmm |
| 14:13.55 | fireba11 | MZM: not if he wants no work rather than angle with the Os :-D |
| 14:13.59 | cydork | capiira: well it might break after etch release.. |
| 14:14.00 | fireba11 | mangle |
| 14:14.13 | capiira | hehe |
| 14:14.41 | MZM | fireba11, well, some ppl ahve just better to stay with windows ;) |
| 14:14.47 | capiira | what do you mean fireball? |
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| 14:15.21 | capiira | is ubuntu that bad? |
| 14:15.21 | fireba11 | capiira: if you want a stable system debian is better than ubuntu imho |
| 14:15.22 | capiira | hehe |
| 14:15.38 | capiira | but i also want a newer system |
| 14:15.49 | fireba11 | capiira: define "newer" |
| 14:16.02 | fireba11 | capiira: also "new" comes bundled with more likely failures |
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| 14:16.17 | jetscreamer | try both |
| 14:16.22 | jetscreamer | decide for yourself |
| 14:16.30 | capiira | hmm new every 5 months or so |
| 14:16.31 | jetscreamer | dual boot |
| 14:16.35 | eilker | pehh installation finished and it didnt ask for 2. and 3. cd ??? |
| 14:16.38 | MZM | capiira, yea, try out all distros in world ;) |
| 14:16.43 | capiira | hehe |
| 14:17.09 | fireba11 | eilker: quite normal |
| 14:17.28 | capiira | im just unsure if i can trust testing in the future as lenny |
| 14:17.36 | capiira | now its working fine |
| 14:17.45 | eilker | fireba11: but ? how will i use 2. and 3. cd ? |
| 14:18.12 | jetscreamer | try to install something that is on one of tose cd's ? (i dunno) |
| 14:18.24 | fireba11 | eilker: install mroe unusual packages ... they are sorted by polularity mostly |
| 14:19.15 | jetscreamer | capiira: just hanging out for a while in #ubuntu may help you to decide also |
| 14:19.26 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 14:19.31 | capiira | ahh good idea |
| 14:19.41 | capiira | and read what other ask |
| 14:19.43 | capiira | hehe |
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| 14:19.49 | eilker | fireba11: but as i know , it was asking for cd's in installation... |
| 14:20.04 | eilker | fireba11: may i able to use 2. and 3. cd as repo ? |
| 14:20.38 | jetscreamer | right |
| 14:20.56 | tarzeau | have you guys seen this at www.gnu.org? http://www.gnu.org/graphics/badvista-trash.png |
| 14:22.05 | capiira | actually i don't like ubuntus sudo concept |
| 14:22.10 | cydork | tarzeau: :D |
| 14:23.51 | enouf | eisen: apt-cdrom |
| 14:23.58 | cydork | eilker: ^^ |
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| 14:25.17 | eilker | cydork: ? |
| 14:25.48 | LLcoolM | hi, i have a problem with my usb cardreader. when i plug it in with a cf-card inside, linux detects it properly and i can mount the cf card. however if i plug in the cardreader and after that plug in the card i cannot mount it. there is also no device for it. |
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| 14:28.26 | cydork | eilker: use apt-cdrom to add any cds. apt will ask for those cds whenever you want to install something which is in that cd. |
| 14:29.04 | eilker | cydork: ohh thank you, now i will try to install for kde install |
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| 14:36.08 | cydork | !tell CaspeR-Bz -about away |
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| 14:37.59 | _jindal | heya cydork |
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| 14:38.32 | cydork | _jindal: hiya |
| 14:39.02 | _jindal | hello guys, why there are three kernels in 2.6.18 series 2.6.18-1, 2.6.18-2 and 2.6.18-3 in unstable? |
| 14:39.25 | _jindal | which one i shd go for? |
| 14:40.13 | fireba11 | _jindal : -3 of course .. security fixes |
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| 14:40.34 | azeem | _jindal: -1 and -2 are no longer in unstable |
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| 14:41.48 | Ebbs | Hi! Has anybody an idea to avoid this error: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0." |
| 14:42.17 | Ebbs | How can I test that ive got dri? |
| 14:42.25 | _jindal | fireba11, azeem oks.. but i have problem with vmware and -2 and -3 ... works fine with -1 .... do check out http://jindal.pastebin.ca/309066 |
| 14:42.56 | Ebbs | enouf, can u help me,plz? |
| 14:43.04 | azeem | _jindal: that's a problem with vmware, ask them, please |
| 14:43.20 | _jindal | azeem, oks |
| 14:43.25 | azeem | Ebbs: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:43.30 | Ebbs | enouf, etch |
| 14:43.42 | azeem | I'm not enouf |
| 14:43.44 | Ebbs | azeem, etch |
| 14:43.47 | Ebbs | yes |
| 14:43.50 | Ebbs | sry |
| 14:44.10 | azeem | Ebbs: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf whether the dri module is activated (i.e. doesn't have a '#' in front of it) |
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| 14:45.03 | Ebbs | azeem, yes , mode 0666 |
| 14:45.18 | azeem | Ebbs: no, is it under modules? |
| 14:45.46 | Ebbs | azeem, in my kernel conf? |
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| 14:46.14 | azeem | Ebbs: no, in your xorg.conf |
| 14:46.30 | Miten | I have burned tomsrtbt img to cd but my notebook does not seem to think its in CD drive. it gives me invalid partition table as usual which I am trying to fix by using this rescue disk and installing lilo |
| 14:46.32 | Ebbs | azeem, mom |
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| 14:46.49 | eilker | !kde |
| 14:46.49 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 14:46.50 | fireba11 | _jindal: it complains about headers not being complete ^^ |
| 14:47.13 | _jindal | fireba11, yeah... i guess its a bug |
| 14:47.15 | Ebbs | azeem, http://pastebin.ca/312022 |
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| 14:47.47 | enouf | !tell eilker about install kde |
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| 14:47.49 | azeem | Ebbs: check what glxinfo says |
| 14:47.49 | fireba11 | _jindal: no, your headers are incomplete ... it's working fine for me |
| 14:47.52 | azeem | Ebbs: but you're using fglrx, I don't know much about it |
| 14:48.23 | _jindal | fireba11, hmm i have installed linux-headers-2.6.18-1 , -2 and -3 |
| 14:48.48 | whatspy | simple question: how to define an alias for all users at once? |
| 14:48.59 | Ebbs | azeem, http://pastebin.ca/312027 |
| 14:49.13 | rpetre | can someone give me a hand about configuring the zaptel drivers for asterisk under sarge? |
| 14:49.26 | enouf | Ebbs: you can grep for DRI in glxinfo .. glxinfo | grep -i dri |
| 14:49.29 | azeem | Ebbs: you don't have 3d accell running |
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| 14:49.37 | Ebbs | azeem, ive loaded with xgl |
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| 14:49.43 | azeem | Ebbs: euh |
| 14:49.44 | azeem | no idea |
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| 14:49.51 | enouf | and I'm not familiar with fglrx either at all Ebbs |
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| 14:50.07 | enouf | nor xgl |
| 14:50.18 | Ebbs | azeem, thx |
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| 14:50.23 | Ebbs | enouf, thx |
| 14:50.26 | biz | i need some help with an old isa card on an Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA bridge. actually, i'm trying to detect the card but i can't find it, the package isapnptools is not in testing? what should i do in this process? its about an old sb16 soundcard, any ideas? (what happend to isapnptools?) |
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| 14:50.50 | Ebbs | any idea, where to ask? |
| 14:50.54 | Miten | enouf: I am not sure about boot cd I made if I did right things |
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| 14:51.14 | eilker | !kde |
| 14:51.15 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 14:51.46 | enouf | I tried :-( . Ebbs try googling for the error .. also see if you can find out any info here http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html |
| 14:51.59 | Miten | I tried booting with it in my notebook but it gives me invalid partition table error as earlier which I am trying to fix....if it had known CD being there it would have booted with it |
| 14:52.11 | Ebbs | enouf, thx |
| 14:52.17 | enouf | np |
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| 14:52.48 | enouf | Miten: set BIOS to boot from CDROM as 1st in the Boot Device order |
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| 14:53.07 | Miten | it is...First is Notebook MultiBay |
| 14:53.17 | Miten | if I put XP install CD in then it starts install |
| 14:53.39 | enouf | Miten: a Notebook "may" have a Fn+FX key sequence you need to press upon startup .. I don't know them, but you can find out |
| 14:53.46 | enouf | Oh .. |
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| 14:54.31 | Miten | enouf...that sequence to do what ? |
| 14:54.48 | Miten | I have compaq armada e500 |
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| 14:55.08 | enouf | Miten: I'm not familiar with tomsrtbt well .. or what he gives you and whatever accompanying instructs it tells you |
| 14:55.33 | enouf | Miten: if it boots from the XPoop CD, then likely you're ok with the BIOS settings I mentioned |
| 14:56.03 | Miten | ya I guess |
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| 14:56.20 | enouf | Miten: why not burn a Knoppix or grml.org CD and try with that .. |
| 14:56.33 | Miten | they are huge... |
| 14:56.42 | enouf | Miten: grml is not |
| 14:56.51 | Miten | its 50+ MB |
| 14:56.52 | enouf | it has a small 100+MB version |
| 14:56.58 | Miten | hahah |
| 14:57.01 | enouf | or whatever it is :-) |
| 14:57.03 | Miten | toms is 2.88 mb |
| 14:57.34 | Miten | jelly-home: you around ? |
| 14:57.44 | enouf | Miten: point to toms site.. and lets see what he gives you .. OH... Nero does HAVE a BootCD option |
| 14:57.53 | enouf | Miten: not Data CD .. but BootCD .. |
| 14:58.05 | enouf | Miten: choose that one enext time .. burn again :-P |
| 14:58.07 | Miten | I never saw that in 5.5 version |
| 14:58.23 | enouf | Miten: I have it in 5.x .. it's there on the left |
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| 14:58.36 | _jindal | fireba11: are ya using vmware workstation 5.5.1 build-19175? |
| 14:58.37 | enouf | scroll down |
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| 14:59.07 | fireba11 | _jindal: no .. vmware server, but the process is the same |
| 14:59.08 | enouf | when you 1st start the session .. KILL HTE WIZARD! |
| 14:59.11 | enouf | Miten: ^^ |
| 14:59.19 | _jindal | fireba11, oks |
| 14:59.25 | Miten | ok |
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| 14:59.46 | Miten | http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ |
| 14:59.58 | Miten | enouf: lets read through it once.... |
| 15:00.01 | Miten | just two lines |
| 15:00.07 | enouf | Miten: also note mkisofs has a -b option for bootable |
| 15:00.12 | Miten | yes |
| 15:00.17 | Miten | I am confused with it |
| 15:00.30 | Miten | I think the .img file needs to be run through it |
| 15:00.40 | Miten | mkisofs is it available for XP ? |
| 15:01.04 | Miten | or some one will have to run it for me and jelly-home I think had suggested earlier some thing similar |
| 15:01.18 | enouf | Miten: no .. |
| 15:01.24 | enouf | it's in Linux :-) |
| 15:01.29 | geo-rge | if you kill the wizard, don't you win the game? |
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| 15:01.54 | Miten | well enouf would you be able to do it and make it available on pubic server ? |
| 15:02.34 | rpetre | geo-rge: no, he respawns, you also need to ascend |
| 15:03.32 | enouf | Miten: no floppy? |
| 15:03.45 | Miten | thats the problem...my FDD are bad |
| 15:03.49 | Miten | not working |
| 15:04.05 | enouf | Miten: see http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd6.htm |
| 15:04.32 | enouf | Miten: here's w/ 5.5 http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd.htm |
| 15:05.25 | enouf | Miten: se the CDROM boot option now? |
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| 15:07.57 | enouf | Miten: yeah .. in Linux this would be a breeze with mkisofs |
| 15:08.23 | Miten | enouf: I think I need to use output of mkisofs |
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| 15:08.34 | enouf | Miten: ? |
| 15:08.37 | Miten | that would be iso image which I need to burn |
| 15:08.52 | Miten | not the .img file |
| 15:09.06 | Miten | but mkisofs < .img > .iso |
| 15:09.27 | enouf | mkisofs would create an ISO .. I didn't know this prior when you asked me, and you didn't say --> "The tomsrtbt-<version>.ElTorito.288.img.bz2 *IS NOT AN ISO IMAGE*." |
| 15:09.49 | Miten | yes I wanted to get that read by you :-) |
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| 15:10.01 | Miten | so I passed the link |
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| 15:10.57 | enouf | Miten: according to that info .. then Nero's CD Boot option wioll do the same thing basically .. it inserts a bootable sector (a floppy .img) on the CD |
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| 15:11.15 | Miten | ok then let me try again... |
| 15:11.17 | eilker | happy end now i am on my sweet kde :D |
| 15:11.21 | enouf | Miten: it's called floppy emulation |
| 15:12.09 | Miten | nero gives me two options on startup....copy new CD or compile new cd |
| 15:12.10 | enouf | compile |
| 15:12.14 | Miten | ok |
| 15:12.32 | Miten | the data cd, other format and audio cd |
| 15:12.37 | Miten | choose other format ? |
| 15:12.37 | ktwilight | it's weird that apt-get install php4-pear installs php5-common too :/ |
| 15:12.42 | enouf | kill the wizard .. under one of those menus on the top right |
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| 15:12.49 | enouf | Miten: YES |
| 15:12.52 | enouf | other format |
| 15:13.10 | enouf | Miten: you should learn your software :-P |
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| 15:13.36 | enouf | I'm doing this from memory entirely from years ago .. but those URLs I gave help to refresh a bit too |
| 15:14.30 | enouf | bbiab |
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| 15:16.36 | Thms | is v2.0.r20.b1 Linux a sarge kernel ? |
| 15:17.22 | geo-rge | Thms: not even close |
| 15:17.29 | Thms | okay |
| 15:17.33 | enouf | way way way off |
| 15:17.51 | geo-rge | 2.4.* and possibly 2.6.* |
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| 15:18.09 | geo-rge | mm, .27 and .8 respectively |
| 15:18.31 | Miten_Mehta | there is that floppy emulation...I guess I need to choose 2.88 and not 1.44 |
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| 15:19.13 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: you agree ? |
| 15:19.38 | concept10 | I HATE FUCKING FLASH ON LINUX |
| 15:19.54 | dimir | That's why I stopped using it at all. |
| 15:20.00 | dimir | No youtube jokes for me now. |
| 15:20.03 | enouf | sure .. it's a CD .. plenty of room ..waut .. why 2.88? |
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| 15:20.07 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: ^^ |
| 15:20.10 | dimir | But at least RMS is proud of me! |
| 15:20.28 | Miten_Mehta | that file name has 2.88 in it |
| 15:20.56 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: I see .. I guess so then |
| 15:21.22 | Miten_Mehta | ok |
| 15:22.05 | tahorg | jelly-home: ping |
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| 15:23.06 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: but this is why I said ok -->It is a 2.88MB floppy image suitable for BUILDING an iso image |
| 15:23.08 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: I guess I will leave it as 1.44 since my floopy drive though gone bad is 1.44.... |
| 15:23.26 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: so what to do ? |
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| 15:23.32 | corran | a question |
| 15:23.38 | enouf | you're not msaking a floppy |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | concept10: try gnash ? |
| 15:23.56 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: nope |
| 15:24.14 | corran | is it considered good form to report a security vulnerability that the maintainers probably know about? |
| 15:24.16 | gutterpunk1 | Hi |
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| 15:24.27 | corran | it isn't listed in the package bugs |
| 15:24.43 | corran | (this is in relation to the kadmind problem) |
| 15:24.46 | gutterpunk1 | Does anyone have a working mirror for the woody distribution? It appears no mirrors have the repositories anymore? |
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| 15:25.44 | mindframe | how do i check disk space available ? |
| 15:25.49 | corran | mindframe: df |
| 15:25.53 | corran | on the command line |
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| 15:26.15 | concept10 | abrotman, i need to, but im not sure if gnash works with these stupid site that require the new flash |
| 15:26.20 | Miten_Mehta | any one knows when using tomsrtbt.2.88 do we use floppy emulation as 1.44 or 2.88 in nero |
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| 15:26.29 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 15:27.09 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: use 2.88 .. do you have this file AFTER unzipping? |
| 15:27.11 | corran | Miten_Mehta: I would go with 2.88 based on the file name |
| 15:27.11 | enouf | tomsrtbt-<version>.ElTorito.288.img |
| 15:27.15 | monteiro | anyone has an ipod, when i unmount in gnome, it says an error that it not possible to unmount perfectly the ipod. anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 15:27.32 | Miten_Mehta | thx enouf |
| 15:28.43 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: yes.. |
| 15:28.47 | fas3r | it's not possible with nmap to just know what 's ip is use on the ethernet :s ? |
| 15:28.58 | petemc | nmap -sP |
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| 15:29.08 | enouf | http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd/image2.png <-- if you have a .img file .. in this the 3rd step .. choose "Image file" and brwose to the Eltorito.288.img .. select floppy emulation as 2.88 |
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| 15:29.35 | Miten_Mehta | enouf: ok...now what about iso level ? |
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| 15:29.53 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: any one will be fine for this |
| 15:30.13 | Miten_Mehta | ok |
| 15:30.15 | enouf | X1 or X2 or whatever .. it's just more support for longer filenames and datatypes and shit |
| 15:30.38 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: on Dialup? |
| 15:31.10 | Miten_Mehta | ok choose write |
| 15:31.17 | Miten_Mehta | and its preparing CD |
| 15:31.20 | enouf | yep .. |
| 15:31.23 | Miten_Mehta | let see how it goes |
| 15:31.37 | fas3r | petemc, i have test but it don't work it don't detect other computer after the router .. but it's the sames network and ping work .. |
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| 15:31.52 | enouf | If you can afford to spare more blanks then Bandwidth .. then you're fine :-) |
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| 15:32.02 | enouf | I'd just grab a nice grml.org ISO |
| 15:32.42 | petemc | fas3r: perhaps the machines dont respond to icmp |
| 15:33.23 | fas3r | petemc, hum .. i go to see if firewall if shutdown :) |
| 15:33.38 | fas3r | is* |
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| 15:36.23 | Flimzy | I have 2 200gb HDs I need to set up software RAID1 on... Is there any reason not to put /boot on the RAID? Since it's just mirrored, the system will be able to boot prior to loading the md kernel module, and in the absense of one drive, right? |
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| 15:37.56 | war | Flimzy: put boot on raid1 yes |
| 15:37.58 | war | Flimzy: you need to |
| 15:38.05 | Miten_Mehta | enof: its boots with CD now |
| 15:38.06 | war | Flimzy: if you want to be able to disconnect 1 drive and still have it boot |
| 15:38.07 | Miten_Mehta | great |
| 15:38.12 | Miten_Mehta | let me be back in a while |
| 15:38.34 | Flimzy | war: cool. |
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| 15:38.56 | Flimzy | war: Should I partition off ~1GB on each drive before the RAID1 for swap, so that swap writes aren't written to both drives? |
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| 15:40.23 | war | Flimzy: way I have mine is |
| 15:40.32 | war | Flash__: md0 = swap on both drives, md1 = boot on both drives, md2= root |
| 15:40.50 | Flimzy | I'll be running LVM on top of md0 |
| 15:41.11 | Flimzy | If you're going to have it separated like that, tho, then you're going to hurt performance to use RAID for swap |
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| 15:41.58 | Flimzy | I think I'll use RAID for the entirety of both disks, and put swap on top of that, just for simplicity sake, even tho it will hurt performance if/when swap is used (which should be rarely/never) |
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| 15:42.34 | Flimzy | But you should seriously consider not using swap on RAID :) |
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| 15:45.08 | war | Flimzy: incorrect |
| 15:45.17 | war | Flimzy: if you have swap not on raid and the disk dies |
| 15:45.21 | war | Flimzy: your system will crash |
| 15:45.27 | war | Flimzy: I want stability |
| 15:47.18 | biz | where is isapnptools? |
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| 15:48.33 | abrotman | deprecated |
| 15:48.52 | abrotman | !find isapnptools sarge |
| 15:49.17 | biz | what is it now? i'm unable to find sth. useful |
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| 15:49.40 | abrotman | !isapnptools |
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| 15:49.50 | abrotman | uhoh .. i killed dpkg ... |
| 15:49.52 | Ronin | 3rd time the charm abrotman |
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| 15:50.17 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 15:50.17 | dpkg | i heard isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
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| 15:51.07 | biz | yeh, since its deprecated what is the way to do it these days with 2.6? |
| 15:51.20 | Ryushin | What causes the sys file system to be mounted? I have a server that isn't mounting /sys. |
| 15:51.37 | jello | !tell Ryushin about fstab |
| 15:52.26 | bony | i am unable to find the wlan0 device. i am using the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200 adapter on a Dell Inspiron 6000. its a Debian Sid kernel-2.6.18-3. help me |
| 15:52.38 | dimir | !coffee |
| 15:52.38 | dpkg | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 15:52.39 | karmatronic | bony: it s eth1 |
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| 15:54.11 | dimir | http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el LOL |
| 15:54.11 | bony | karmatronic, dmesg says that some firmware isnt loaded |
| 15:54.16 | Ryushin | jello: Maybe I'm a moron or something, but none of my systems have a entry for /sys in fstab. |
| 15:55.27 | karmatronic | bony: yeah you have to download firmware from |
| 15:55.27 | karmatronic | bony: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
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| 15:55.28 | jello | Ryushin: sorry, /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
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| 15:57.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'isapnptools' returned no results. |
| 15:57.38 | jjazz | dimir: You have a coffee maker that speaks HTCPCP? |
| 15:57.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: SNOW! |
| 15:58.22 | dimir | jjazz: No, just realized that. :'( |
| 15:58.29 | bony | karmatronic, well i think i just screwed up something. i was following a howto which said i need to remove the ipw2200 and ieee80211 modules and make new ones which failed |
| 15:58.32 | dimir | I mean, that I need it. |
| 15:58.42 | bony | karmatronic, now i dont have my ieee80211 modules up |
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| 15:59.14 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 15:59.22 | jjazz | dimir: I'm going to send that .el to our tech guy. Maybe it will inspire him. |
| 15:59.38 | dimir | :-) |
| 15:59.52 | dimir | jjazz: looking now for a way to get such device. |
| 16:01.05 | dimir | jjazz: pass him this also: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Coffee.html |
| 16:01.29 | jjazz | Will do. I'm sure he's seen these, but maybe he's forgotten that it's now his job to implement stuff like this. |
| 16:02.38 | dimir | November 2000, oh noes. :-) |
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| 16:03.02 | bony | abrotman, well m-a failed with " debian/rules:6: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target" |
| 16:03.11 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 16:03.40 | karmatronic | bony: dont bother just compile the source s |
| 16:03.50 | karmatronic | bony: which kernel are you running ? |
| 16:04.47 | abrotman | karmatronic: that's not the Debian Way |
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| 16:05.20 | karmatronic | abrotman: is this an obligation to go debian way |
| 16:05.24 | bony | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 16:05.37 | karmatronic | abrotman: linux way is good too .... |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | it's recommended |
| 16:06.06 | karmatronic | abrotman: right but sometime you run in strange problems when using m-a |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | if it's on etch .. a bug should be filed |
| 16:06.33 | karmatronic | abrotman: when you use configure/make/make install you re never wrong |
| 16:06.59 | abrotman | yes .. you can be |
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| 16:08.29 | jelly-home | tahorg: pong |
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| 16:09.27 | lindenle|work | hi all |
| 16:09.45 | tahorg | jelly-home: I'm almost done. Well I finished my package but I'd like to know if there is a "good way" to assign ownership to files |
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| 16:10.08 | jelly-home | tahorg: oh, you don't want everything as root? |
| 16:10.15 | tahorg | jelly-home: I don't want static id so I've put a chown in postinst |
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| 16:10.32 | obstfliege | nabend |
| 16:10.38 | tahorg | jelly-home: is that the "right way" ? |
| 16:10.42 | jelly-home | tahorg: are you chowning files in the package? |
| 16:10.48 | intruder | why is there no dos2unix in sarge ? im really wondering |
| 16:10.53 | bony | karmatronic, abrotman how do i at least get back my ieee80211 modules? |
| 16:11.01 | tahorg | jelly-home: non, because that means static id for my files |
| 16:11.03 | tahorg | no |
| 16:11.19 | jelly-home | tahorg: so some files not in package? chown is ok then |
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| 16:11.40 | jetscreamer | !info tofrodos sarge |
| 16:11.45 | tahorg | jelly-home: mmh, no, files in the package |
| 16:11.54 | jelly-home | tahorg: you'd want to use dpkg-statoverride if the files came in the package |
| 16:12.02 | tahorg | hooo |
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| 16:13.32 | jelly-home | tahorg: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; grep -l dpkg-statoverride * might be helpful to take a quick look at examples ;-) |
| 16:13.33 | jetscreamer | !info sysutils sarge |
| 16:13.33 | tahorg | jelly-home: I put the dpkg-statoverride in the debian/rules ? |
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| 16:13.45 | tahorg | mmh, in postinst so |
| 16:13.54 | jelly-home | tahorg: nope, this is done at install time (and remove time) |
| 16:13.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's sleeping i think |
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| 16:14.04 | abrotman | kind of |
| 16:14.06 | abrotman | !foo |
| 16:14.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 16:14.10 | jetscreamer | intruder: check out sysutils and/or tofrodos |
| 16:14.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no, he really took 10 minutes last night |
| 16:14.29 | jelly-home | tahorg: postinst yeah, and postrm for cleanup |
| 16:14.30 | abrotman | ask don to restart him |
| 16:14.33 | jetscreamer | for a lookup |
| 16:14.49 | intruder | jetscreamer: yes i did, there is no tofrodos in sarge, in the syslinux of sarge doesnt include that fromdos and todos or dos2unix |
| 16:15.18 | dreamer | ok, so, I just did a dist-upgrade to etch a couple hours ago, and now x is broken .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work .. any suggestions? |
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| 16:15.38 | jetscreamer | anybody have input-all aliased? |
| 16:16.05 | abrotman | xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:16.23 | jetscreamer | dpkg, cebex is <reply> apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:16.24 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 16:16.31 | jetscreamer | dreamer: cebex |
| 16:16.42 | dreamer | what's that? |
| 16:16.42 | abrotman | wtf is cebex ? |
| 16:17.00 | jetscreamer | current etch bork en x |
| 16:17.17 | cydork | en x?? |
| 16:17.17 | tahorg | jelly-home: thanks but chown seems to fit better. It's an entire subtree that I want to chown www-data: |
| 16:17.20 | HardDisk_WP | !etch |
| 16:17.20 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
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| 16:17.26 | jetscreamer | hey cebix looked weird |
| 16:17.34 | Ronin | and cebex doesnt?heh |
| 16:18.08 | jetscreamer | it was for spanish speakers? :) |
| 16:18.13 | Ronin | ahhh |
| 16:18.56 | dreamer | so, no sugestions on what to do? |
| 16:19.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:19.04 | jetscreamer | !cebex |
| 16:19.04 | dpkg | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:19.10 | dreamer | why? |
| 16:19.19 | dreamer | why do I need that? |
| 16:19.20 | dreamer | :$ |
| 16:19.28 | jetscreamer | scroll up? |
| 16:19.34 | jetscreamer | cebex stands for... |
| 16:20.14 | jelly-home | why cebex? |
| 16:20.15 | jetscreamer | well you don't have to install it if you don't want to |
| 16:20.25 | jetscreamer | because i was in a hurry |
| 16:20.32 | jetscreamer | current etch bork en x |
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| 16:20.44 | jelly-home | !etch borks |
| 16:20.49 | jelly-home | would be nice to have |
| 16:20.52 | enouf | Miten_Mehta: excellent .. hope you fix your broken system .. missed your comments earlier .. you got my nick incorrect .. no biggy :-) |
| 16:21.13 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: got anywhere with booting your system from cd yet? |
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| 16:21.38 | dreamer | jetscreamer: still borked |
| 16:21.56 | dreamer | fatal IO error 104 |
| 16:22.15 | dreamer | hmm: (EE) No devices detected |
| 16:22.31 | Miten_Mehta | jelly-home: yes... |
| 16:22.49 | Miten_Mehta | I am in and doing some steps listed here....http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO-1.html |
| 16:23.13 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: can you mount your system? |
| 16:23.16 | Miten_Mehta | I had to select boot iso cd rom type |
| 16:23.17 | jetscreamer | ah well it works for most of the etch x problems lately |
| 16:23.18 | abrotman | eh .. weird .. if you don't get your network setup on install with RC1 .. it doesn't create a resolv.conf |
| 16:23.19 | Miten_Mehta | yes I can |
| 16:23.41 | Miten_Mehta | now I need to do some fstab edits |
| 16:23.52 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: if you can mount and chroot to it, you should be able to just rerun lilo (if it was installed on the master boot sector) |
| 16:23.58 | Miten_Mehta | as per those steps in url I sadi |
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| 16:24.05 | Miten_Mehta | ok... |
| 16:24.14 | Miten_Mehta | then I will not do edit blah blah |
| 16:24.18 | Miten_Mehta | lt me try |
| 16:24.20 | Miten_Mehta | let me try |
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| 16:24.44 | dreamer | hmm, so does anybody else have any idea where to look? :$ |
| 16:24.46 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: well, if you're halfway through the howto, don't let me stop you... ;-) |
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| 16:25.02 | Miten_Mehta | I am liking you short cut |
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| 16:25.19 | Miten_Mehta | we run lilo just by itself or do we have some more options... |
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| 16:25.28 | Miten_Mehta | I remember doing some thing like lilo -v -v -v |
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| 16:26.03 | hark | dreamer: check your driver as well ( xorg.conf Section device) |
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| 16:26.24 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:26.26 | dreamer | hark: I did a reconfigure, shouldn't that fix it proper? |
| 16:26.30 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: I was suggesting to do essentially what is "Scene 2" in that howto |
| 16:26.42 | hark | dreamer: did it? |
| 16:26.53 | dreamer | no :P |
| 16:27.07 | dreamer | hmm, where is xorg.conf again ... |
| 16:27.28 | dreamer | jetscreamer: ~$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 16:27.29 | hark | dreamer: hmm, just do a grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:27.31 | dreamer | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 16:27.33 | Miten_Mehta | jelly-home: I see...but now I have chrooted now what to do ? |
| 16:27.34 | dreamer | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 16:27.38 | Miten_Mehta | jelly-home: just run lilo ? |
| 16:27.49 | ChaosR | pfff, the movie players have stopped working |
| 16:27.50 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: try "lilo -t" first |
| 16:27.53 | dreamer | :~$ grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver "kbd" Driver "mouse" Driver "apm" |
| 16:27.56 | Miten_Mehta | I did lilo |
| 16:28.00 | Miten_Mehta | it went fine it seems |
| 16:28.04 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 16:28.04 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:28.10 | dreamer | sorry :# |
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| 16:28.35 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: well, that's good. btw what does " grep '[br]oot /etc/lilo.conf " say ? |
| 16:28.37 | Miten_Mehta | Added Linux, Added LinuxOLD and Added Win *....I know these were my old entried in lilo.conf |
| 16:28.41 | ChaosR | totem: can't create mcop directory, vlc: can't find oss, even with "aoss vlc", mplayer: can't find alsa |
| 16:28.48 | Miten_Mehta | so now I need to reboot I guess |
| 16:28.58 | hark | dreamer: that "apm" is your problem. you need to install the correct driver for your card and change that. It should work then |
| 16:29.08 | ChaosR | can someone help me with this? |
| 16:29.09 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: exit from chroot, umount the partition(s), and then reboot |
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| 16:29.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman: [10.13.33] <jetscreamer> !info tofrodos sarge [10.21.00] <dpkg> Package 'tofrodos' does not exist. |
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| 16:29.47 | hark | dreamer: i have to go now, will be back in an hour, so if it's still a problem, ping me. |
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| 16:29.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: does it really exist ? |
| 16:30.16 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=tofrodos |
| 16:30.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not in sarge |
| 16:30.25 | jetscreamer | i guess not. i was just showing you it took 7 1/2 minutes or so |
| 16:30.31 | dreamer | wonders* :P |
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| 16:31.36 | Miten_Mehta | should I be able to remove cd before doing reboot ? |
| 16:31.36 | jetscreamer | for dpkg |
| 16:31.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oh ok |
| 16:31.36 | jetscreamer | yes Miten_Mehta |
| 16:31.37 | yetifoot | hi, i have a folder of .deb files, that i want aptitude to use, i'm following the instructions here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html by doing dpkg-scanpackages debs file | gzip > debs/Packages.gz then adding deb file:/mnt/hda3 debs/ to sources.list but aptitude says its a malformed line, can anyone help please? |
| 16:31.37 | ChaosR | can someone help me, plz |
| 16:31.37 | jelly-home | dpkg -S takes a long time and my disk is 20-30MB/s, how can I speed it up? |
| 16:31.37 | dpkg | Package: takes a long time and my disk is 20-30MB/s, how can I speed it up: Status: install ok installed |
| 16:31.37 | jetscreamer | ChaosR: you can also ask in #mplayer |
| 16:31.37 | jelly-home | heh |
| 16:31.52 | ChaosR | jetscreamer: i want totem to work, before i did a reboot, it worked normally |
| 16:31.59 | jelly-home | dpkg -l foo |
| 16:32.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching foo |
| 16:32.07 | jetscreamer | no idea i don't use totem |
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| 16:32.14 | metafor | yetifoot: maybe your .deb files are fucked.. |
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| 16:32.28 | cydork | yetifoot: it should be file:///mnt/bal bal/ |
| 16:32.29 | jetscreamer | just cd in there and dpkg -i *.deb |
| 16:32.43 | cydork | s/bal/blah/ :P |
| 16:33.26 | Miten_Mehta | jelly-home: I am able to reboot into debian now....:-) |
| 16:33.33 | yetifoot | the deb files are file, i was using dpkg -i *.deb, but it gets a bit annoying with dependencies, and there are about 300 debs |
| 16:33.40 | yetifoot | files are fine* |
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| 16:34.08 | jelly-home | Miten_Mehta: time for a beer! |
| 16:34.37 | james | just 1? |
| 16:34.39 | Ronin | jelly-home: always beer o'clock |
| 16:35.00 | james | it is when you're unemployed <o/ |
| 16:35.16 | jelly-home | It stops being fun if there are no restrictions... |
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| 16:35.59 | james | jelly-home: my ever-growing beer gut says different. |
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| 16:37.01 | magic_stone | anyone can run firefox 3 beta in debian etch amd64 ? |
| 16:37.10 | magic_stone | or normal firefox |
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| 16:37.28 | james | magic_stone: yes. |
| 16:37.30 | dreamer | what driver should I need for my "ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC 215IIC [Mach64 GT IIC]" ?? |
| 16:37.40 | dreamer | atm it's apm, but apperantly it doesn't work.. |
| 16:37.40 | magic_stone | james how you can do this? |
| 16:37.51 | james | dreamer: ATI do a nonfree driver. in the nonfree repository. |
| 16:37.59 | james | Think it's only testing or unstable though |
| 16:38.05 | dreamer | james: I'm etch |
| 16:38.08 | jetscreamer | use the ati one |
| 16:38.15 | norc | debian testing has its own security grid, right? |
| 16:38.15 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:38.19 | dreamer | did a dist-upgrade and now x is barked :/ |
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| 16:38.29 | dreamer | jetscreamer: just ati? |
| 16:38.34 | james | magic_stone: with apt-get. |
| 16:38.53 | magic_stone | james and what i need to do whith apt-get to get this work? |
| 16:39.13 | dreamer | baah, failure :( |
| 16:39.48 | Anarka | is there a tool to change the default C compiler ? like if you want to use a previous version ? |
| 16:40.03 | Anarka | or just change the gcc link is the only solution ? |
| 16:40.37 | magic_stone | day 3 try this work lol james ... you shure you know run firefox in debian etch like firefox 3 beta in one etch amd64 ? |
| 16:40.56 | james | I use "normal firefox" as you put it. not 3. |
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| 16:41.21 | magic_stone | and what is your normal firefox? the icewasel? |
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| 16:42.03 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/README.ati |
| 16:42.11 | Grem | hi |
| 16:42.17 | jetscreamer | ati |
| 16:42.34 | magic_stone | it is impossble i change the mode the files are there |
| 16:42.41 | magic_stone | the error is allways the same |
| 16:42.53 | g333k_work | whats the recommend mount point and partitions structure for a server? |
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| 16:43.23 | jelly-home | g333k_work: what are you planning to put on it? |
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| 16:43.43 | enouf | jelly-home: try a dpkg etch borks |
| 16:43.51 | Grem | is there a text based browser in the base system packages of etch? in order to get internet I need a browser to open up a page so I can login and access the internet |
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| 16:44.08 | Grem | and I see there is no lynx, links nor w3m installed by default |
| 16:44.12 | tristano | hello, if i have printer drivers (not included in cups), what i have to do in order to installing this printer? which i have to put files? |
| 16:44.26 | dreamer | jetscreamer: yeah it should werk huh, but still errors, now: no screens found .. |
| 16:44.41 | jelly-home | g333k_work: I usually have separate /var and /home. /opt if there are huge commercial apps to be installed. /tmp if it's a multiuser machine. And then you might as well create a /usr and be done with it. ;-) |
| 16:44.41 | g333k_work | jelly-home, a LTSP server |
| 16:44.42 | Grem | downloaded in windows and tried to install links2 deb but it complains of missing dependencies, obviously |
| 16:44.44 | dreamer | oh and: failed to load module "ati" |
| 16:44.55 | dreamer | hmm, should install it I guess :P |
| 16:45.04 | jelly-home | g333k_work: sorry, dunno what LTSP is. |
| 16:45.24 | g333k_work | jelly-home, all of them in separated partitions right? |
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| 16:45.33 | g333k_work | jelly-home, linux terminal server project |
| 16:45.51 | Yggdrasil | hello, does anyuone know about any open src scheduling software for like .. say a doctors office ? |
| 16:46.06 | g333k_work | jelly-home, well basically, many thin clients connect to it and start remote sessions |
| 16:46.22 | darsie | Hi! I'm trying to compile iptables with IMQ (intermediate queueing device) but it won't build libipt_IMQ.so . I followed instructions from http://wiki.nix.hu/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IMQ/HowToInstall#Patching_iptables . |
| 16:46.25 | magic_stone | jame so look's you not so shure ... now :| |
| 16:46.25 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: freshmeat ? |
| 16:46.32 | magic_stone | well thanks anyway :) no problem |
| 16:46.39 | Yggdrasil | ok ill check it out. j |
| 16:46.41 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 16:46.50 | jelly-home | g333k_work: right. So / /var /home and /tmp |
| 16:47.06 | jelly-home | g333k_work: make /var 4 times as big as you think is enough. ;-) |
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| 16:47.50 | g333k_work | jelly-home, why? what is stored in /var ? |
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| 16:48.13 | g333k_work | jelly-home, what about the swap size? I have 2G of RAM |
| 16:48.37 | jelly-home | g333k_work: logs, mail maybe (if using mbox format), various caches |
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| 16:49.07 | jelly-home | g333k_work: dunno, 2GB also? |
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| 16:49.55 | jelly-home | g333k_work: how many parallel clients? |
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| 16:50.30 | jelly-home | g333k_work: and what apps are they going to run? Is 2GB going to be enough? |
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| 16:51.07 | jelly-home | enouf: /msg dpkg etch borks is 2 years too old! :-) |
| 16:51.31 | dreamer | damnit |
| 16:51.35 | perlmonk | http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2006/12/01/linux-the-reliability-myth-debunked.aspx <---- If you have free time and want to have some fun, read this and the comments (WARNING: You will waste time :P ) |
| 16:51.48 | perlmonk | But some is just funny |
| 16:51.54 | azeem | perlmonk: please don't spam off-topic urls in here |
| 16:51.56 | Ronin | perlmonk: pretty old iirc |
| 16:52.11 | perlmonk | Not off-topic, isn't that a linux channel ? |
| 16:52.21 | jelly-home | perlmonk: i need no steenking republican propaganda! (is she hot?) |
| 16:52.22 | azeem | perlmonk: no, it's a Debian support channel |
| 16:52.34 | azeem | jelly-home: please discuss in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:52.46 | perlmonk | azeem, Whatever, debian is based on linux anyways |
| 16:53.00 | azeem | perlmonk: that doesn't mean anything with "linux" in it is on-topic here |
| 16:53.14 | perlmonk | And the chan is so busy that I disturb like noone. |
| 16:53.27 | azeem | perlmonk: why do you argue? |
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| 16:53.34 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 16:53.44 | perlmonk | Whatever azeem, nazism didn't work in the 40's and won't now |
| 16:53.45 | perlmonk | :P |
| 16:54.01 | darsie | perlmonk: Go back to your monastery. |
| 16:54.21 | perlmonk | darsie, I'am connected from there |
| 16:54.43 | Ronin | nazism? umm wow now thats a stretch if ever i saw one |
| 16:55.54 | perlmonk | I always been wondering how *nix and programming people can be so smart and so stupid and close minded at times |
| 16:55.56 | perlmonk | crazy |
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| 16:56.44 | enouf | jelly-home: huh? .. or just late .. there's some spanish cebex version also :-P |
| 16:57.48 | jelly-home | enouf: it says 2005 |
| 16:58.18 | enouf | jelly-home: oh shit |
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| 16:59.04 | scoates | hi |
| 16:59.04 | enouf | jelly-home: that's a typo on the site too .. someone tell someone :-) |
| 16:59.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, etch borks =~ s/2005/2007/ |
| 16:59.05 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 16:59.05 | enouf | "somebody get somebody" <-- the ending of Se7en :-) |
| 16:59.21 | enouf | jelly-home: there ya go .. thanks :-) |
| 16:59.30 | jelly-home | I wonder if ops would care adding etch borks to the /topic |
| 16:59.42 | scoates | I have the tun module installed, but I don't have a /dev/tun0 device. I do, however, have /dev/net/tun -- can someone point me in the right direction? I can't ifconfig tun0 up ... (gives me "tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" etc). |
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| 17:00.13 | enouf | jelly-home: well .. it's either that and tell everyone to see /topic .. ior we just call on dpkg |
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| 17:00.33 | enouf | jelly-home: you know many of those ppl don't bother with /topic |
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| 17:00.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: if you can track one down :) |
| 17:01.03 | jelly-home | enouf: when I first came here I always looked for current fuckups in topc |
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| 17:01.20 | enouf | jelly-home: me too .. |
| 17:01.22 | necrite | hi |
| 17:01.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh, !ops :-) |
| 17:01.35 | necrite | there is any channel about mrtg? |
| 17:01.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: you wouldn't be the first to get kicked for calling ops to change the topic :) |
| 17:01.48 | PaSurf | I am having problems with my debian install not being able to boot after new install. System installed fine, and partitions are identical from previous sarge install |
| 17:02.00 | azeem | jelly-home: what do you mean with "etch borks" anyway? |
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| 17:02.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's why I didn't do it |
| 17:02.24 | abrotman | !etch borks |
| 17:02.24 | dpkg | hmm... etch borks is See Current Issues [06 Jan 2007] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today for a known Xorg issue when installing Etch .. If for some reason the steps outlined there; 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' aren't fully fixing it; also then try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd' |
| 17:02.27 | jelly-home | azeem: a factoid with current etch issues |
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| 17:02.42 | jelly-home | azeem: a most faq of sort |
| 17:02.57 | abrotman | current major issues at least ... |
| 17:03.03 | enouf | abrotman: may want to tweak that to also include the borking while doing a sarge->etch as well |
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| 17:03.09 | Knifa | Hi. I'm trying to uninstall exim4 using apt, but when I do for some reason it takes mutt and mysql along with it. Installing mysql again afterwards reinstalls exim4. |
| 17:03.14 | Knifa | Any idea what could be causing that? |
| 17:03.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe change to "testing borks" as etch is about to relase |
| 17:03.23 | jelly-home | Knifa: install another MTA instead |
| 17:03.28 | Knifa | kay |
| 17:04.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: not a bad idea, is there a way to rename a factoid? |
| 17:04.08 | Knifa | seems a bit silly it would do that in the first place :x |
| 17:04.14 | enouf | jelly-home: and since it may take a while to fix it .. since I heard it's a fairly major fix needed .. maybe putting it in /topic is a good idea |
| 17:04.38 | jelly-home | Knifa: you're removing the only /usr/sbin/sendmail provider, and apparently mutt can't live without it |
| 17:04.52 | Knifa | why would it take mysql too though? |
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| 17:05.07 | azeem | because mysql apparently needs an MTA as well |
| 17:05.12 | Knifa | ah :| |
| 17:05.18 | Knifa | okay, thanks. |
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| 17:05.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: not really .. just make a new one .. and have dpkg forget the old one |
| 17:05.58 | enouf | jelly-home: I'll do it |
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| 17:06.28 | PaSurf | after new installation I get the following error "cannot mount partition, filesystem type unknown" - The filetype specified when installing was ext3. |
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| 17:07.37 | intruder | PWizard: with mknod ? |
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| 17:07.53 | enouf | !testing borks |
| 17:07.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing borks is [06 Jan 2007] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today , see "Current Issues" section for a known Xorg issue when installing Etch (or doing a sarge->etch dist-upgrade) .. If for some reason the steps outlined there; 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' aren't fully fixing it; also then try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd' |
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| 17:08.04 | PWizard | intruder: that might do it - dunno if I have access to mknod as is, I might be able to add it though |
| 17:09.13 | jelly-home | s/for/from/ |
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| 17:10.16 | PaSurf | Seems I am having a difficult time with the debian sarge amd64 install (for both sarge and etch) and am getting different issues for each. Is this unusual, or is the amd64 install just that way? |
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| 17:10.46 | azeem | PaSurf: sarge and etch are different versions, so different issues seem likely |
| 17:10.53 | azeem | it's a pity neither works for you |
| 17:11.02 | azeem | PaSurf: if you'd describe your problems, maybe somebody could help |
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| 17:12.09 | PaSurf | azeem: well at least the 64 bit versions are not working. The first install (with etch amd64) I had issues with the keyboard not responding (in decent amount of time - usually 30 sec to 1 minute after key pressed) |
| 17:12.56 | enouf | fwiw .. he did write <PaSurf> after new installation I get the following error "cannot mount partition, filesystem type unknown" - The filetype specified when installing was ext3. |
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| 17:13.33 | enouf | PaSurf: are you sure teh system isn't trying to boot from another HDD , that's listedprior to the Debiuan install? |
| 17:13.34 | PaSurf | azeem: Now with amd64 k8 install (2.6.8-12) I am getting issues with filesystem type unknown (cannot mount partition) even though I have a sarge install using the same partition setup. |
| 17:13.34 | azeem | PaSurf: that |
| 17:13.39 | azeem | s strange |
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| 17:14.19 | enouf | PaSurf: perhaps the partition ID is incorrect .. does it say 83 when viewed in a cfdisk /dev/hdX (or sdX) ? |
| 17:14.56 | scoates | hmm. I needed to install uml-utilities and then use tunctl |
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| 17:15.23 | PaSurf | Basically after install and reboot, the system gives me lots of errors about not being able to mount partition, and filesystem unknown. I can't even get in through recovery mode |
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| 17:15.48 | PaSurf | its strange I have had more problems with the amd64 isos than any of the other debian installs.... |
| 17:15.57 | enouf | PaSurf: Is the CD and any Floppies out of the system? |
| 17:16.02 | PaSurf | ya |
| 17:16.33 | azeem | PaSurf: is that for sarge or etch? |
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| 17:16.45 | enouf | PaSurf: well you'll need a live cd to check and see / diagnose then if you can't capture other errors |
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| 17:16.59 | PaSurf | this time, the install is for sarge, but different issues with etch.... |
| 17:17.12 | intruder | when viewing ncurses windows from a distant ssh client lines appears as a series of "qqqqqqq" does anyone have a clue on how to fix this ? |
| 17:17.15 | enouf | PaSurf: did you run md5sum checks on the ISOs before and after burning? |
| 17:17.18 | azeem | PaSurf: etch had those keyboard issues, right? |
| 17:17.27 | PaSurf | both installs seemed flawless. |
| 17:17.36 | PaSurf | yes, slow response with keyboard |
| 17:17.45 | azeem | PaSurf: in X, or on the console as well? |
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| 17:17.58 | azeem | is the mouse responsive as usual, and the system snappy otherwise? |
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| 17:18.28 | PaSurf | I did not check the md5sum, but I dl the iso (at least different isos like netinstall, etc) from different locations just to make sure it wasn't the disk |
| 17:18.39 | jelly-home | intruder: which ssh client? |
| 17:18.53 | intruder | putty |
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| 17:19.37 | PaSurf | azeem: console. Basically I was trying to type in my ip address for the machine, and it would not respond to keystrokes for 30 sec or more, then dump everything I had typed in at once,, then not respond again.. |
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| 17:20.14 | PaSurf | very strange, like the system was overloaded or something, but during install (configuring ip) I cant see anything taxing the system |
| 17:20.17 | jelly-home | intruder: is Window -> Translation -> "use unicode line drawing" selected? |
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| 17:20.45 | azeem | PaSurf: is the harddisk working during that? |
| 17:20.50 | PaSurf | I had asked in the debian-amd64 channel too, but they where just as perplexed as us all. |
| 17:20.50 | intruder | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:20.54 | PaSurf | no |
| 17:20.55 | enouf | PaSurf: kinda like a PIO mode, or wrong Controller driver maybe |
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| 17:20.59 | jelly-home | intruder: also, if you're inside screen, it might mess things up. |
| 17:21.11 | enouf | hrm |
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| 17:21.33 | enouf | PaSurf: what's your hardware? |
| 17:21.34 | intruder | im not using screen |
| 17:21.41 | enouf | AMD64 what .. is this a laptop? |
| 17:21.43 | PaSurf | enouf: not sure, the system did take more time than usual with the hardware detection (using the etch amd64 install) |
| 17:21.46 | azeem | PaSurf: maybe try with "noapic" in your grub kernel line |
| 17:22.28 | PaSurf | system is proliant 385 with dual amd64 processors and 4 gig ram. 4 143 gig 15000 scsi disks |
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| 17:22.44 | enouf | PaSurf: nice :-) |
| 17:22.54 | enouf | though I don't like hp .. :-( |
| 17:23.23 | azeem | enouf: how is this relevant here? |
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| 17:23.28 | jelly-home | intruder: hmm. which $TERM ? |
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| 17:23.41 | adx | anyone know of a good rss feed reader that sits on the desktop? |
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| 17:24.01 | enouf | PaSurf: take out one stick of RAM and try again .. just in case there' some funky 4GB 64GB HIGHMEME issues |
| 17:24.12 | azeem | PaSurf: did you check whether HP maybe provides a custom install CD for those? |
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| 17:24.39 | jelly-home | intruder: ah, I've reproduced it with putty for Linux. ;-) |
| 17:24.53 | PaSurf | enouf: but system is running with i386 sarge before amd64 install |
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| 17:25.08 | enouf | PaSurf: ahhh .. and running fine? |
| 17:25.12 | intruder | jelly-home: is there something to do you think ? |
| 17:25.17 | PaSurf | azeem: custom install for debian? or hardware? |
| 17:25.28 | azeem | PaSurf: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/433095-0-0-0-121.html |
| 17:25.36 | jelly-home | intruder: dunno, I'd try setting TERM=linux just for fun |
| 17:25.59 | PaSurf | enouf: ya, only problems was it loading external raidarray. And the 64 bit processing. Would like this machine to be mysql server.... |
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| 17:26.19 | enouf | I see .. |
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| 17:27.00 | PaSurf | azeem: nice, I thought hp was just suse and redhat. I will call and find out... thanks for the link... |
| 17:27.00 | iuso | hi, has anyone installed debian unstable on a macbook here? the F keys aren't working, console switching is impossible. `showkey` shows different keycodes for them than a normal PC. is there a kernel option to change this behavior? |
| 17:27.26 | enouf | PaSurf: are you sure all APIC ACPI and AHCI(though this is for SATA) is all enabled in the BIOS? .. Wonder if your SCSIs have a terminator(s |
| 17:27.34 | PaSurf | I appreciate everyones help, I will see what hp has to say, and maybe just run the i386 install since it seems to work. |
| 17:27.59 | enouf | PaSurf: would be nice to have a full output from a dmesg or simialr |
| 17:28.01 | azeem | iuso: macbooks aren't properly supported yet |
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| 17:28.37 | enouf | PaSurf: and a livecd should let (or your i386 install) should let you at the logs |
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| 17:29.08 | PaSurf | enouf: for the external raidarray, It gets recognized during bootup, and even when I put it in the initrd? it still would not automount. And drivers for the device get loaded during install too |
| 17:29.26 | blinx | exists there a 64bit version of acrobat reader? |
| 17:29.46 | blinx | or how can I use the 32bit version on my system.. |
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| 17:29.57 | jelly-home | blinx: xpdf is not good enough? |
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| 17:30.08 | iuso | azeem: yeah, probably not :/ have you heard from others that the F keys aren't possible to use yet? |
| 17:30.12 | ram_einstein | How do I set up my soundcard? (Fresh install of debian) |
| 17:30.16 | intruder | jelly-home: yea it did it, setting TERM=linux gives me wonderful lines |
| 17:30.19 | azeem | iuso: I don't know, try to google |
| 17:30.20 | blinx | jelly-home: no I need some xtra features |
| 17:30.26 | azeem | blinx: like? |
| 17:30.32 | iuso | azeem: sure |
| 17:30.37 | azeem | blinx: there's also evince for GNOME and kpdf for KDE, btw |
| 17:30.39 | blinx | dhl packet market |
| 17:30.49 | azeem | blinx: otherwise, ask Adobe[tm] |
| 17:31.00 | blinx | azeem: can I send you one file? |
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| 17:31.07 | enouf | PaSurf: hrm .. got quite a few diff issues there .. best to tackle one by one .. I know, it can be frustrating .. but it's worth it .. how is your external array connected? |
| 17:31.07 | azeem | blinx: eh, no |
| 17:31.10 | blinx | o |
| 17:31.10 | blinx | k |
| 17:31.22 | azeem | blinx: it wouldn't work anyway, as I'm behind a proxy |
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| 17:31.59 | stoned | mornin |
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| 17:31.59 | jelly-home | intruder: frankly I have no idea why xterm style lines don't work |
| 17:32.05 | PaSurf | enouf: scsi cable.... |
| 17:32.09 | ram_einstein | I'm having difficulties identifying my soundcard: lspci | grep audio retuens nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0059. What should I do? |
| 17:32.34 | intruder | ram_einstein: don't grep audio |
| 17:32.38 | PaSurf | I can mount it no problem with mount -a.. |
| 17:32.40 | intruder | ram_einstein: look instead |
| 17:32.50 | cahoot | ram_einstein: try update-pci.ids |
| 17:32.56 | DerJamster | ram_einstein: sounds like you have an nforce chipset one way or the other. |
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| 17:33.23 | ram_einstein | DerJamster: Yes |
| 17:33.27 | ram_einstein | intruder: Okay, one sec |
| 17:33.33 | enouf | PaSurf: for that too .. dmesg may have some useful info about what's going wrong |
| 17:33.36 | cahoot | ram_einstein: if it's a new system chances are it uses snd-hda-intel for alsa |
| 17:34.06 | enouf | PaSurf: are you booting into a Desktop directly then ? sucha as gnome/kde? |
| 17:34.10 | ram_einstein | cahoot: one sec, I'm doing that pciids |
| 17:34.31 | PaSurf | enouf: ya, checked the dmesg and found nothing. No, system is server, so just using command line.... |
| 17:34.31 | ram_einstein | cahoot: Yes, it's a new system |
| 17:34.39 | enouf | PaSurf: and just to be clear ..this is with the i386 Sarge install .. yes? |
| 17:34.49 | ram_einstein | cahoot: the new ids did the trick |
| 17:34.55 | PaSurf | enouf: yep |
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| 17:35.08 | ram_einstein | the soundcard is recognised as the AC'97 Audio Controller. Thank you |
| 17:35.13 | stoned | what is today tuesday? |
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| 17:35.25 | PaSurf | I think maybe the newer kernels will resolve this but not 100% on that |
| 17:35.31 | stoned | my clock is jan 2000 |
| 17:35.32 | stoned | wtf |
| 17:35.35 | enouf | PaSurf: so you redid your initrd to include the external raid controller driver? |
| 17:35.46 | PaSurf | yes... |
| 17:35.58 | enouf | PaSurf: they may .. so with i386, you're using 2.6.8? |
| 17:35.58 | ram_einstein | cahoot: I should load the snd-hda-intel module? |
| 17:36.04 | PaSurf | yep |
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| 17:36.30 | enouf | PaSurf: try a backported kernel perhaps .. just to test anyway |
| 17:36.35 | PaSurf | enouf: I think 13. Tried 19 or 20 but had issues with kernel panic errors... |
| 17:36.38 | cahoot | ram_einstein: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 17:36.48 | PaSurf | Will try to see if that works.. |
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| 17:36.59 | enouf | PaSurf: hrm.. were they from backports or kenshi? |
| 17:37.16 | enouf | PaSurf: the kernels i mean |
| 17:37.39 | ram_einstein | cahoot: Okay. Thank you. |
| 17:37.43 | enouf | !tell PaSurf about 2.6.18 sarge |
| 17:37.51 | enouf | Sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:37.51 | PaSurf | enouf: not really sure. |
| 17:37.59 | enouf | !Sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:38.00 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.18] if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 17:38.12 | iuso | another question: is module-assistant friendly towards custom kernels (built with 'make && make install && make modules-install')? i'd like to use it for building ipw3945 modules against a new kernel |
| 17:38.15 | enouf | PaSurf: try that/those ^^ |
| 17:38.25 | PaSurf | will do, thanks for all your help..! |
| 17:38.27 | cahoot | ram_einstein: I've jumped to the conclusion you use etch |
| 17:38.32 | enouf | PaSurf: no prob |
| 17:38.44 | ram_einstein | cahoot: no, I use Sarge |
| 17:38.59 | cahoot | ram_einstein: my bad |
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| 17:39.02 | azeem | PaSurf: I suggest you rather try the supported stuff by HP |
| 17:39.03 | ram_einstein | Is there an issue? |
| 17:39.20 | jelly-home | iuso: IME it usually is, esp. if you've packaged your custom kernel using make-kpkg |
| 17:39.26 | cahoot | ram_einstein: not sure if the advice is valid for sarge - but can't do harm |
| 17:39.32 | PaSurf | Ya, I am checking the site right now for the dl and documentation... |
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| 17:40.18 | PaSurf | nice thing is, there documentation is fairly recent, thats a good sign... :) |
| 17:41.17 | enouf | PaSurf: yeah that's good :-) .. anyways .. my earlier comment was more anout "consumer" line products anyways |
| 17:41.28 | ram_einstein | cahoot: No issues then. Rather than loading modules by hand and also making sure they autoload at startup, there's some Sarge equivalent to do it easily |
| 17:41.45 | enouf | PaSurf: but I feel that way about most oems anyways .. no matter |
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| 17:42.14 | cahoot | ram_einstein: I don't really remember the srage way - maybe alsaconf |
| 17:42.47 | ram_einstein | cahoot: We'll know if alsaconf is right in a few moments |
| 17:42.50 | ram_einstein | :) |
| 17:42.59 | PaSurf | seems Hp only shows support for the 380 proliant servers, not the 385. I wonder if that is gonna be an issue? |
| 17:43.11 | ram_einstein | Etch is still testing and Sarge is stable right? |
| 17:43.29 | cahoot | true |
| 17:43.43 | PaSurf | aren't the 380 proliants intel? |
| 17:43.51 | enouf | PaSurf: contact them? |
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| 17:45.03 | PaSurf | ya, thats next step, just hate talking on the phone with support.. :) But, gonna take one for the team.... |
| 17:45.11 | ram_einstein | cahoot: alsaconf is a program all right, but it didn't work for me |
| 17:45.13 | jelly-home | PaSurf: yeah, DL380 are intel |
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| 17:45.32 | enouf | PaSurf: heh .. could also email/Live support perhaps through IM? |
| 17:45.37 | ram_einstein | it just kind of went off when I asked it to probe for ISA Legacy Cards |
| 17:45.51 | cahoot | ram_einstein: try modprobe snd-hda-intel then |
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| 17:46.08 | PaSurf | maybe.. |
| 17:46.09 | ram_einstein | cahoot: umm... that isn't the exact modules's name |
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| 17:46.20 | ram_einstein | and I don't know what the exact name is |
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| 17:46.48 | enouf | ram_einstein: use lspci | grep -i multimedia |
| 17:47.07 | enouf | ram_einstein: though you may have 2 separate snd devices |
| 17:47.18 | ram_einstein | cahoot: that lists my soundcard. No I have one |
| 17:47.27 | enouf | an hda (high def one) and a soundblaster |
| 17:47.34 | enouf | ok |
| 17:47.41 | enouf | what is it? |
| 17:47.47 | cahoot | ram_einstein: ich5 or ich7? |
| 17:47.57 | ram_einstein | cahoot: huh? |
| 17:48.20 | ram_einstein | what is that? |
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| 17:48.38 | jelly-home | !hcl |
| 17:48.39 | dpkg | methinks hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 17:48.41 | cahoot | ram_einstein: what does lspci return? |
| 17:48.46 | enouf | I/O Controller Hub ram_einstein |
| 17:49.07 | enouf | jelly-home: ahh there it is easily .. also |
| 17:49.08 | ram_einstein | enouf: I see |
| 17:49.12 | jelly-home | ram_einstein: peruse the last link at the above !hcl output from dpkg |
| 17:49.17 | enouf | !which driver |
| 17:49.18 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 17:49.53 | enouf | ram_einstein: using 2.6 yes? |
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| 17:50.11 | enouf | 2.6.8 on sarge .. though 2.4.27 is also available |
| 17:50.13 | ram_einstein | cahoot: 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 17:50.24 | ram_einstein | enouf: hang on for a second |
| 17:50.29 | enouf | ram_einstein: uname -r says what |
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| 17:50.40 | ram_einstein | 2.4 |
| 17:50.45 | ram_einstein | I'm using the 2.4 kernel |
| 17:50.47 | enouf | ha HA! |
| 17:51.03 | enouf | you may want to use 2.6.8 .. |
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| 17:51.12 | ram_einstein | sure, I'll dist-upgrade then |
| 17:51.15 | enouf | or you like/need/want 2.4 |
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| 17:51.24 | ram_einstein | no I don't |
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| 17:51.37 | ram_einstein | this is a fresh install from an old CD |
| 17:51.40 | azeem | ram_einstein: you can use 2.6 on sarge |
| 17:51.41 | enouf | ram_einstein: ok then .. /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:51.43 | azeem | just install it |
| 17:52.03 | enouf | ram_einstein: using lilo or grub? |
| 17:52.23 | ram_einstein | enouf: grub |
| 17:52.39 | enouf | ram_einstein: ok .. read the factoid, understand and proceed :-) |
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| 17:53.13 | kalleth | hi guys - just installed debian and the 'change resolution' link will only let me change to a max of 800x600 when i KNOW my graphics card and monitor will do 1152x864@16 bit - is there any way to update my settings to allow this? |
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| 17:53.33 | ram_einstein | enouf: okay, chill. I'm downloading the new kernel |
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| 17:53.51 | ram_einstein | grub.conf autoupdates itself to point to the new kernel |
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| 17:54.32 | enouf | it's menu.lst ram_einstein |
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| 17:54.32 | ram_einstein | ah yes, whatever |
| 17:54.55 | enouf | ram_einstein: in due time .. in due time |
| 17:55.02 | stoned | drinkin is bad... mmmkay. |
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| 17:55.14 | enouf | chips! |
| 17:55.23 | janttsu | * me too, just having a bottle of Smirnoff here on the table |
| 17:55.25 | enouf | !munchees |
| 17:55.25 | ram_einstein | they're worse |
| 17:55.44 | trajan_ | hello |
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| 17:56.30 | enouf | ram_einstein: I just remembered |
| 17:56.35 | enouf | !alsa 2.4 |
| 17:56.35 | dpkg | First, you need to build the ALSA modules for your kernel. apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper; then read "man m-a". Finally, ask me about <alsa>. |
| 17:56.40 | nikolavp | can someone tell me the package name of the gnome base system |
| 17:56.42 | nikolavp | in debian |
| 17:56.49 | intruder | you guys are so relax compared to #debian-fr dudes |
| 17:56.50 | nikolavp | i have read about it in a forum but cant remember the name :P |
| 17:57.08 | trajan_ | someone to help to fix my grub after a fresh install ? i could not install grub during etch install (absolutly dunno why) and i have no grub now |
| 17:57.09 | intruder | you drink and smoke drugs and talk about it thats really nice |
| 17:57.12 | ram_einstein | enouf: now you tell me |
| 17:57.13 | stoned | you know |
| 17:57.20 | stoned | that can be shortened |
| 17:57.35 | enouf | ram_einstein: but using 2.6 wil let kmuto.jp hardware compatibilty wiork .. it doesn't work with 2.4 |
| 17:57.47 | stoned | to "m-a prepare" instead of apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper |
| 17:57.59 | enouf | ram_einstein: don;'t do that .. install the d/l |
| 17:58.02 | stoned | or apt-get instlal module-assistant and then m-a prepare |
| 17:58.06 | stoned | just a thought |
| 17:58.34 | ram_einstein | stoned: I'd probably be better of with 2.6, thank you |
| 17:58.42 | stoned | ram_einstein, thas fine |
| 17:58.48 | stoned | I'm just saying that factoid is too long |
| 17:58.55 | kalleth | i think i need to run the X config editor again because i may have messed up the graphics config |
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| 17:59.01 | kalleth | what's the command to do that? |
| 17:59.03 | cusco | dudes.. anybody aware of how to make gedit color javascript ? |
| 17:59.06 | stoned | !drxx |
| 17:59.06 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 18:00.24 | enouf | cusco: likely not .. unless you can figure how to compile it in .. kedit can't as default |
| 18:00.37 | enouf | cusco: tried gvim have you? |
| 18:01.07 | ram_einstein | hell, the hell I have to go through to set up a temporary dovecot server isn't funny. (That's what I'm doing now actually) |
| 18:01.34 | enouf | cusco: I'm not big on editor's features .. maybe evn jedut can do what you want .. but I know kwrite does syntax highlighting as well as the various vi/vims |
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| 18:01.36 | ram_einstein | and I can't live without music for the two days in which the temporary server will exist |
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| 18:01.51 | enouf | er s/jedut/jedit |
| 18:03.51 | rahul | ram_einstein: pandora.com |
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| 18:04.23 | RAk | hey all |
| 18:04.28 | RAk | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso <- this is enought to complete an install or the whole numbers of cds are needed ? |
| 18:04.49 | cusco | enouf: gedit does syntax hilighting |
| 18:04.53 | cusco | does html for instance |
| 18:04.57 | cusco | bit not avascript |
| 18:05.02 | intruder | RAk: enough |
| 18:05.03 | enouf | cusco: oh .. nice |
| 18:05.19 | cusco | thats why I was asking |
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| 18:05.29 | RAk | intruder: nice... I'll play around... |
| 18:05.35 | HyperDevil1 | does anybody know how i can upgrade the firmware on the APC Backup-UPS 500 CS? |
| 18:05.42 | intruder | RAk: unless you're going to install it somewhere you don't have internet, only use the first |
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| 18:05.53 | enouf | cusco: ask the #gnome ppl ? rooms/groups/lists? |
| 18:06.15 | Cholito | cusco: ask in debian-es |
| 18:06.25 | enouf | er #gtk, and #gtk+ perhaps |
| 18:06.53 | cusco | Cholito: why should I? I'm not spanish |
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| 18:06.58 | enouf | heh |
| 18:07.13 | cusco | thanks enouf |
| 18:07.17 | ram_einstein | I'm curious to know what exactly "apt-get install firefox" will do on a fresh minimal install of Debian. Will it just install firefox or also what it requires to run (ie. Xorg-X11 etc) |
| 18:07.19 | Cholito | cusco: not only spaniard speaks spanish ;) |
| 18:07.23 | HyperDevil1 | does anybody know how i can upgrade the firmware on the APC Backup-UPS 500 CS? |
| 18:07.41 | cusco | lol... |
| 18:07.45 | Cholito | cusco: I thought you were peruvian (Cusco? Incas?) |
| 18:07.55 | ram_einstein | enouf: it's about time, shall I boot into the new kernel? |
| 18:07.57 | cusco | no no |
| 18:08.00 | Cholito | =) |
| 18:08.04 | cusco | cusco means 'curious' |
| 18:08.06 | enouf | yes .. sure ram_einstein |
| 18:08.07 | cusco | in my lang. |
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| 18:08.21 | Cholito | cusco: which is...? |
| 18:08.23 | enouf | ram_einstein: you did read that factoid closely .. yes? |
| 18:08.24 | cusco | portuguese |
| 18:08.29 | Cholito | lol |
| 18:08.35 | enouf | !br |
| 18:08.36 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:08.39 | Cholito | good 2 know |
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| 18:08.49 | cusco | enouf: im portuguese form portugal, not from brasil |
| 18:08.51 | cusco | >P |
| 18:08.53 | cusco | !pt |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:08.55 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:08.57 | cusco | thats wrong |
| 18:09.00 | sdogi | anyone has any idea why openvpn always fucks up in few days |
| 18:09.03 | Cholito | !es |
| 18:09.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:09.05 | cusco | there is #debian/pt |
| 18:09.07 | Cholito | lol |
| 18:09.07 | sdogi | it always happens |
| 18:09.08 | cusco | there is #debian-pt |
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| 18:09.12 | sdogi | and i have no idea why |
| 18:09.17 | Knifa | how come installing exim4 from apt doesn't give you any config files? |
| 18:09.19 | cusco | but the language is the same.. oh well |
| 18:09.19 | sdogi | and i'm tired of debugging it |
| 18:09.21 | Knifa | even after you use the dpkg thing? |
| 18:09.23 | sdogi | maybe it is common? |
| 18:09.26 | ram_einstein | enouf: I didn't. Even if the kernel's not on the list, there's no big deal. I'll just use the grub console to boot into it |
| 18:09.26 | RAk | intruder: I will do some minimal install anyway, to play around with xfce, that's all |
| 18:09.28 | Cholito | is the etch pool closed? |
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| 18:09.38 | cusco | Knifa: it does! |
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| 18:09.43 | Knifa | lies! |
| 18:09.45 | Knifa | there is none there :[ |
| 18:09.45 | cusco | Knifa: /etc/exim4/ |
| 18:09.48 | Knifa | yeah |
| 18:09.51 | Knifa | there's nothing in any of the folders |
| 18:09.53 | cusco | I have loads |
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| 18:10.05 | Knifa | i have a conf.d in there |
| 18:10.08 | Knifa | and in there is more folders |
| 18:10.10 | cusco | Knifa: /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
| 18:10.10 | Knifa | and in them is nothing. |
| 18:10.11 | ram_einstein | enouf: Done. Now what? |
| 18:10.24 | enouf | ok .. |
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| 18:10.45 | enouf | ram_einstein: reboot |
| 18:10.54 | ram_einstein | I just did damn it |
| 18:10.58 | Knifa | i tried running exim4-config again |
| 18:11.01 | enouf | ok |
| 18:11.02 | Knifa | but it still doesn't make any files |
| 18:11.07 | enouf | damnit! |
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| 18:11.15 | Cyis | exim4 is the bane of my fscking existence |
| 18:11.31 | enouf | hehe |
| 18:11.54 | Cyis | trying to replace exim with postfix... but have a few problem accts that still demand to run on the old exim server |
| 18:11.57 | enouf | Knifa: man update<tab><tab> |
| 18:12.53 | Knifa | it doesn't exist D: |
| 18:13.03 | ram_einstein | oh fish! I think I screwed something up. DHCPDISCOVER failed to bring up my network interface |
| 18:13.14 | Knifa | mabye i should try postfix |
| 18:13.24 | ram_einstein | and my pci device file was not read |
| 18:13.29 | enouf | hehe |
| 18:13.43 | ram_einstein | don't laugh |
| 18:13.49 | ram_einstein | I'm serious |
| 18:13.53 | enouf | man update-exim4.conf Knifa |
| 18:14.05 | enouf | update-exim4.conf.template |
| 18:14.07 | Knifa | hurray |
| 18:14.20 | enouf | update-exim4defaults |
| 18:14.33 | enouf | ram_einstein: ? |
| 18:15.06 | ram_einstein | enouf: hang on. I'm tense |
| 18:15.10 | enouf | I wasn't snickering at you ram_einstein |
| 18:15.22 | enouf | chill a bit .. easy man easy |
| 18:15.40 | enouf | !comfort ram_einstein |
| 18:15.41 | dpkg | There, there, ram_einstein. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:15.47 | Knifa | enouf it is saying that the template file is missing |
| 18:16.06 | enouf | Knifa: maybe that's your issue |
| 18:16.13 | Knifa | hm |
| 18:16.27 | mirak | how can I know the parameters of lirc_serial module ? |
| 18:16.50 | enouf | Knifa: I really wouldn't know though .. hefck .. I don't even do email :-P |
| 18:16.50 | RAk | which version of xfce is contained by http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ? |
| 18:16.55 | Knifa | heh |
| 18:16.55 | enouf | er heck |
| 18:17.06 | Knifa | oh i got it |
| 18:17.27 | Knifa | or mabye not |
| 18:17.43 | enouf | mirak: as root or sudo modinfo <modulename> |
| 18:18.03 | enouf | mirak: no need for .ko |
| 18:18.07 | Knifa | hurray it's going |
| 18:18.12 | Knifa | thanks |
| 18:18.18 | enouf | really? |
| 18:18.21 | Knifa | yeah |
| 18:18.22 | enouf | heh |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | !pony me |
| 18:18.28 | x_link | enouf: You're hiding to much! |
| 18:18.33 | x_link | enouf: ;D |
| 18:18.36 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
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| 18:18.37 | dpkg | enouf: de rien |
| 18:18.41 | Knifa | i had to run update-exim4.conf.template -r |
| 18:18.51 | Knifa | why it doesn't mention that in any of the docs i don't know. |
| 18:18.53 | enouf | x_link: yo yo .. |
| 18:19.10 | ram_einstein | enouf: good news is that the sound seems to be working just fine |
| 18:19.23 | mirak | enouf: thanks |
| 18:19.24 | enouf | ram_einstein: ok .. time to drink! :-) |
| 18:19.27 | ram_einstein | bad news is that I managed to screw up the network connecion somehow |
| 18:19.29 | enouf | mirak: welcome |
| 18:19.42 | ram_einstein | enouf: no drinks till that network snag is set right |
| 18:20.10 | PaSurf | azeem: Just got off the phone with Hp. Seems they have a iso for the AMD64, but it is not supported on the proliant DL385. |
| 18:20.15 | mirak | enouf: hello |
| 18:20.19 | azeem | PaSurf: too bad |
| 18:20.24 | enouf | ram_einstein: man interfaces .. /etc/network/interfaces and see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:20.29 | Cholito | !enouf++ |
| 18:20.39 | enouf | thanks mates |
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| 18:20.49 | azeem | PaSurf: I suggest you try amd64 etch (maybe the daily) again, and if the keyboard errors persist, file an installation report about it |
| 18:20.52 | Cholito | crap, how was it for the karma? |
| 18:20.53 | azeem | so that it might get fixed |
| 18:20.53 | enouf | PaSurf: ouch |
| 18:20.58 | whatspy | howto use ssh to transfer files...? |
| 18:21.09 | Knifa | okay actually it didn't work |
| 18:21.11 | geo-rge | man scp |
| 18:21.11 | whatspy | from a windows ssh client to a debian ssh server |
| 18:21.12 | Knifa | it refuses to actually do anything |
| 18:21.14 | dondelelcaro | whatspy: cat foofile | ssh 'cat - > barfile' |
| 18:21.16 | geo-rge | man scp |
| 18:21.22 | enouf | wonderful indeed Cholito |
| 18:21.29 | dondelelcaro | (or use tar or rsync or scp or...) |
| 18:21.44 | ram_einstein | enouf: no, there's no problem with the nework config. The DHCP is failing to fetch an IP for some reason |
| 18:21.54 | Cholito | =)) |
| 18:22.00 | trajan_ | whatspy: use putty-scp for windows |
| 18:22.01 | ram_einstein | and the pci info files can't be read |
| 18:22.15 | PaSurf | azeem: I have tried the netinstall. Would I have better luck with a different iso (business card) etc? Wondering if one has something more that the install needs without the system needing to download. |
| 18:22.39 | whatspy | thank you |
| 18:22.47 | azeem | PaSurf: no, this doesn't look a problem of the iso type |
| 18:22.52 | azeem | PaSurf: try a newer iso, rather |
| 18:23.00 | azeem | PaSurf: did you try release candidate 1? |
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| 18:23.03 | PaSurf | enouf: Ya, HP basically really only knew what was on the website, and nothing more... |
| 18:23.35 | enouf | ram_einstein: hrmm .. got /etc/resolv.conf setup correctly .. and /etc/hosts.deny .allow are all ok? .. I hope you do NOT have zeroconf installed . does ifconfig -a say a 169.254.x.x addy? |
| 18:23.46 | PaSurf | azeem: I just tried the latest release... |
| 18:23.57 | enouf | PaSurf: heh .. oh man |
| 18:23.59 | azeem | PaSurf: that's pretty unspecific |
| 18:24.06 | azeem | unless you're talking about sarge |
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| 18:24.27 | PaSurf | yes, I did dl rc1.. sorry |
| 18:24.38 | azeem | PaSurf: then try the daily snapshot |
| 18:24.39 | ram_einstein | enouf: no, I don't have zeroconf installed |
| 18:24.41 | azeem | it's more recent |
| 18:24.48 | enouf | ram_einstein: ok .. |
| 18:25.31 | PaSurf | seems crazy that there is soo much trouble with the amd64 processors getting support for debian on a hp machine. I would have gone intel if I would have known this... |
| 18:25.33 | trajan_ | noone to help me for a grub issue ? (my install is fresh and i could not install grub or lilo) |
| 18:25.45 | ram_einstein | I can't even ping my own DHCP server: Network is unreacable |
| 18:25.50 | enouf | ram_einstein: does a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" help |
| 18:25.57 | azeem | PaSurf: why do you think this is an issue with the CPU? |
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| 18:26.31 | Scofield6000 | Hali |
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| 18:26.43 | Scofield6000 | Most van itt valaki? |
| 18:26.55 | enouf | ram_einstein: might be time for that update && dist-upgrade .. |
| 18:26.58 | ram_einstein | enouf: no, it again fails to fetch UP. The basic problem: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 18:27.19 | enouf | ram_einstein: that appears like an ipv6 thingy to me here |
| 18:27.34 | ram_einstein | enouf: no, I don't use IPv6 |
| 18:27.48 | enouf | ram_einstein: you donow |
| 18:27.50 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:27.58 | Scofield6000 | Hy |
| 18:28.01 | PaSurf | on the HP support website the 380 proliants (intel) dont have any issues with install (they recommend using Lilo though) on the 385s both lilo and grub fail |
| 18:28.15 | ram_einstein | enouf: how can I dist-upgrade without an internet connection!? |
| 18:28.17 | Scofield6000 | Ich schpreche deutch oder ungarn |
| 18:28.22 | azeem | !de |
| 18:28.22 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:28.22 | Ronin | !de |
| 18:28.23 | Ronin | doh |
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| 18:28.30 | enouf | The newer kernel has support for it I giuess .. and it can;'t be unloaded without doing some major unloading and restarting |
| 18:28.30 | blondie | Scofield6000: english |
| 18:28.40 | PaSurf | and actually 385s aren't even supported even though the site says amd64 iso is an option for the dl. |
| 18:28.42 | enouf | ram_einstein: that can be an issue |
| 18:28.44 | azeem | PaSurf: you didn't mention that grub fails so far |
| 18:28.50 | Scofield6000 | I don'r know |
| 18:28.55 | enouf | ram_einstein: upgrading without an inet conn |
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| 18:29.09 | PaSurf | azeem: http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant |
| 18:29.20 | ram_einstein | no network connection! It's like a broken isolated system sitting in a cornor |
| 18:29.54 | PaSurf | thats with the 380 (but the 385s are the amd64 processors) not sure why they put support for the amd64s but dont support the 385s) |
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| 18:30.06 | dendrite | ram_einstein: Tried a different cable? |
| 18:30.10 | Scofield6000 | Ich will |
| 18:30.15 | azeem | PaSurf: who do you mean with "they"? |
| 18:30.19 | ram_einstein | It's not the cable~ |
| 18:30.26 | azeem | on that wiki page, it says 385 worked |
| 18:30.31 | ram_einstein | how can the cable suddenly go bad? |
| 18:30.41 | Ronin | ram_einstein: oddly enough quite easily |
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| 18:30.53 | ram_einstein | okay, I'll try a different one. |
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| 18:32.03 | PaSurf | azeem: listed on the HP site they (HP) list support for x86 and amd64. But they dont support debian (the iso they distribute (unsupported of course)) on their 385s |
| 18:32.23 | azeem | PaSurf: that doesn't mean Debian won't run on 385s |
| 18:32.25 | petemc | hp do support debian, i thought |
| 18:32.26 | azeem | just that you're on your own |
| 18:32.37 | azeem | petemc: not for every model apparently |
| 18:32.39 | petemc | oh |
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| 18:32.54 | joeamined | hi |
| 18:33.02 | ram_einstein | Ronin: okay, I swapped out the cable. Problem persists. Exactly the same problem |
| 18:33.03 | PaSurf | HP Net Installer ISO for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 2.6 kernel (x86 & AMD64/EMT64) |
| 18:33.17 | joeamined | is moc-ffmpeg-plugin usable in totem ? |
| 18:33.19 | azeem | PaSurf: that's sarge |
| 18:33.23 | PaSurf | thats what the 385 is (amd64) |
| 18:33.31 | PaSurf | yep |
| 18:33.33 | azeem | PaSurf: if you want something *fixed*, use a recent Debian version |
| 18:33.41 | azeem | PaSurf: or wait till HP supports the 385 |
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| 18:33.50 | PaSurf | is just want it run .... |
| 18:33.59 | PaSurf | like the i386 install |
| 18:34.00 | joeamined | i mean, if i install the moc-ffmpeg-plugin, will totem use it to read real audio files ? |
| 18:34.04 | azeem | PaSurf: then pay somebody for commercial support |
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| 18:34.30 | azeem | PaSurf: but as I noted above, the wiki you pointed at marks the 385 down as "worked" |
| 18:34.34 | enouf | ram_einstein: what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say? |
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| 18:34.41 | azeem | so it might be a regression since then |
| 18:34.58 | PaSurf | Seems the G2 worked, but G4 does not. |
| 18:36.15 | azeem | PaSurf: whatever. You don't seem to be interested in actually getting this fixed, so I won't spend more time on this. |
| 18:36.19 | PaSurf | ya, seems like a moot point anymore... |
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| 18:36.21 | ram_einstein | enouf: 0 |
| 18:36.31 | ram_einstein | no ip forwarding |
| 18:37.04 | _hannes__ | hello, is there a way to recover deleted files with an ext3 filesystem |
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| 18:38.35 | enouf | ram_einstein: just curious .. mine too .. and ifconfig -a is on;ly showing that sit0? |
| 18:39.08 | ram_einstein | enouf: no, it shows eth0, eth1 and one more |
| 18:39.14 | enouf | ram_einstein: can you reboot your router/modem? .. I know mine gets wonky on it's own from time to time |
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| 18:39.33 | enouf | ram_einstein: yet there are no addressees for eth0 eth1 |
| 18:39.59 | enouf | ram_einstein: does it show the MAC addys? |
| 18:40.10 | ram_einstein | enouf: I'm currently within the wireless range on my network, talking to you |
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| 18:40.19 | enouf | heh |
| 18:40.22 | ram_einstein | switching off the router would mean disaster |
| 18:40.29 | enouf | yowser |
| 18:40.44 | ram_einstein | enouf: hang on a sec |
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| 18:41.16 | ram_einstein | how do I "discover" devices? |
| 18:41.24 | enouf | ram_einstein: do you have this? |
| 18:41.25 | enouf | $ lsmod | grep ip |
| 18:41.25 | enouf | ipv6 217760 10 |
| 18:41.46 | ram_einstein | yes, similar |
| 18:41.54 | enouf | ram_einstein: discover or .. erm .. darn .. wtf is it again |
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| 18:42.40 | Knifa | did all of the apt repositries suddenly die or what |
| 18:42.57 | ram_einstein | enouf: I just have a hunch that it's a problem with Debian communicating with my PCI card |
| 18:43.05 | ram_einstein | PCI ethernet ie. |
| 18:43.10 | enouf | ram_einstein: but lspci and lsusb and such should tell you devices and such .. for more info (when you can) apt-get install lshw hwinfo dmidecode |
| 18:43.50 | ram_einstein | lspci lists it and it seems to be intact |
| 18:43.52 | slept | if snd_hda_codec cause a complete system crash against what do i have to file the bugreport ? |
| 18:44.09 | enouf | ram_einstein: any dmesg errors? |
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| 18:44.19 | ram_einstein | enouf: not that I can spot |
| 18:44.32 | RvGaTe | How do i restart everything that has something to do with sound? for some reason i lost my sound on the whole system... altho nothing is in use and the volume sliders are all maxed out... |
| 18:44.42 | enouf | ram_einstein: drop to f1 console and se any trailing errors while booting |
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| 18:44.57 | enouf | see if you can see is what I mean |
| 18:45.07 | ram_einstein | I think I'm tunneling IPv6 over IPv4 |
| 18:45.14 | enouf | ram_einstein: try this |
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| 18:45.23 | ram_einstein | enouf: what exactly? |
| 18:45.26 | jonaskoelker | where can I find the .config for the debian stock kernel? |
| 18:45.44 | enouf | ram_einstein: echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:45.56 | ram_einstein | /var/log/messages doesn't have anything interesting either |
| 18:45.59 | azeem | jonaskoelker: in /boot/*config* |
| 18:46.04 | nkuttler | jonaskoelker: /boot/config-foo |
| 18:46.10 | jonaskoelker | ty |
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| 18:46.47 | ram_einstein | enouf: okay, now what? restart the networking initscript/ |
| 18:46.48 | tester | does somebody know how i can check the load of a debian machine without using ssh |
| 18:46.49 | tester | ? |
| 18:47.01 | enouf | ram_einstein: sure .. why not |
| 18:47.05 | slept | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.18 | jonaskoelker | tester: log in with telnet? |
| 18:47.24 | threw | hi all ! |
| 18:47.25 | ram_einstein | becuase it doesn't work? Status hasn't changed |
| 18:47.31 | threw | i have a simple question pke |
| 18:47.33 | threw | oops |
| 18:47.37 | jonaskoelker | tester: (bad idea, but it is certainly possible; why is ssh bad for you?) |
| 18:47.58 | slept | RvGaTe, lsof|grep dsp might tell you what is using the soundcard |
| 18:48.02 | threw | *i have a simple question please: i have an Xvid video, how to encode it into divx please ? |
| 18:48.08 | tester | jonaskoelker: how can i implement a SSH script that does that without compromising sercurity? |
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| 18:48.33 | jonaskoelker | tester: that does exactly what? |
| 18:48.37 | ram_einstein | That's it! I'm doing a fresh install of Debian and going to sleep |
| 18:48.42 | ram_einstein | I need some sleep |
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| 18:48.57 | enouf | ram_einstein: yo yo ma :-) |
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| 18:49.19 | jonaskoelker | does the `equalize' option of ip(8) work with the debian stock kernel? How can I get per-packet (instead of per-connection) outbound load balancing? |
| 18:49.32 | enouf | I bet a reboot fixes most things .. the newer kernel may need something .. or a module loaded or somecrap |
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| 18:49.41 | jonaskoelker | would building a kernel with 'CONFIG_IP_MULTIPATH_CACHED=n' do the trick? |
| 18:49.44 | tester | jonaskoelker: i have a webserver that has a status webpage on it, every server is placed there .. there i will find load, users logged in etc on all machines. |
| 18:50.00 | ram_einstein | enouf: I'll try loading the older kernel then. I already rebooted many times |
| 18:50.04 | enouf | ram_einstein: you may have hotplug/udev/hal issues now |
| 18:50.12 | threw | anyone has an idea for my question please ? |
| 18:50.13 | enouf | ram_einstein: ok .. good |
| 18:50.16 | jonaskoelker | tester: if the webserver already spits out the information you want, why not just wget the relevant page? Or do I misunderstand you? |
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| 18:50.37 | azeem | threw: try mencoder |
| 18:50.42 | azeem | from debian-unofficial |
| 18:50.52 | grendal_prime | hey i get this sort of weird error in aptitude about couldnt stat source package list ....bla bla bla... -stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:51.07 | ram_einstein | enouf: well, same status. Hence I reinstall |
| 18:51.08 | tester | only 1 machine has a webserver... the webserver. all the other servers dont have that.. so the webserver should login to those machines and check the status of them |
| 18:51.08 | grendal_prime | it sugest running the update...which does not fix the problem |
| 18:51.11 | enouf | ram_einstein: I was kinda joking about the rebooting .. unless something specific to udev/ipv6 kernel support shit occured, needed adding, removing .. etc .. yadayad |
| 18:51.15 | enouf | +a |
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| 18:51.37 | enouf | ram_einstein: with old kernel .. same thing? |
| 18:51.39 | grendal_prime | the rebuilds those dir's right? |
| 18:51.50 | enouf | that's NOT a reinstalling issue ram_einstein |
| 18:51.55 | ram_einstein | enouf: not the same thing but the network is still unreacable |
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| 18:52.35 | ram_einstein | enouf: what have I to lose? I dualbooted into XP just now and the network is perfectly fine. |
| 18:52.35 | tester | jonaskoelker: only 1 machine has a webserver... the webserver. all the other servers dont have that.. so the webserver should login to those machines and check the status of them |
| 18:52.36 | enouf | ram_einstein: that can be fixed .. I have no idea of your network topology .. PLUS my networking t-shooting sucks .. someone can help you |
| 18:52.48 | barefoot | anyone use pscp (putty scp) to copy files from a windows box to linux? I keep getting this error: fatal: buffer_get: trying to get more bytes 129 than in buffer 28 |
| 18:52.53 | jonaskoelker | tester: is it just between the intarweb and the webserver you can't use ssh, or is it in [webserver -> {nonwebservers}]? |
| 18:52.56 | tuv | why isn't gcc-4.0 in etch anymore. there still is some software that only compiles with 4.0 and not 4.1 |
| 18:53.11 | azeem | tuv: get that software fixed |
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| 18:53.19 | enouf | ram_einstein: it's still a networking only issue .. make sure your Modules you need are loaded |
| 18:53.35 | tuv | azeem, well until then i'd use 4.0 |
| 18:53.38 | tester | jonaskoelker: i can afcourse use SSH, but then i have to put the passwords of those machines in cleartext in the script |
| 18:53.56 | enouf | ram_einstein: visit !which driver and find the drivers/modules required to load |
| 18:53.56 | azeem | tuv: a dist-upgrade probably won't remove 4.0 |
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| 18:54.09 | jonaskoelker | tester: ah. No, you don't. Use ssh-keygen to generate an ssh keypair. Search the web, there are plenty of tutorials |
| 18:54.10 | enouf | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 18:54.11 | tuv | azeem, yes, but a fresh install won't have it |
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| 18:54.19 | ix | barefoot: have you tried removing the entry for the server from known_hosts? (I don't know how this is sorted out in wintendo, no.) |
| 18:54.19 | ram_einstein | enouf: why the trouble? I only set up debian 2 hours ago. Losing 2 hours of work isn't too much |
| 18:54.27 | enouf | ram_einstein: this is where having a 2.6 will help |
| 18:54.28 | ram_einstein | and I'm feeling drowsy with sleep |
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| 18:54.37 | tester | jonaskoelker: thanks i will try :) |
| 18:54.37 | azeem | tuv: indeed |
| 18:54.49 | azeem | tuv: but all the stuff in etch should be buildable by 4.1 |
| 18:54.53 | whatspy | good, I'm almost there... please look at this: apt-get -t unstable install python-dev=2.4.4 |
| 18:55.09 | tuv | azeem, not everything is in debian.. sadly |
| 18:55.21 | whatspy | oops. in fact it's 2.4.4-2. it is documented as present in the unstable version. |
| 18:55.39 | whatspy | but in the end, "version 2.4.4-2" was not found |
| 18:55.43 | azeem | tuv: right |
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| 18:55.51 | azeem | tuv: it's a tradeoff with maintanability |
| 18:55.55 | ram_einstein | g'night everyone |
| 18:55.56 | whatspy | ah nevermind, unstable's not even in my sources |
| 18:56.02 | whatspy | silly me |
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| 18:56.04 | azeem | tuv: a gcc-3.x should still be around I think |
| 18:56.06 | barefoot | ix: I dont know if it keeps a known_hosts on windows? I dont see one under program_files\putty |
| 18:56.24 | barefoot | its the only server I have tried connecting to though |
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| 18:56.43 | Maximilianoadl | hi |
| 18:56.45 | hagabaka | /etc/crontab sets SHELL and PATH. can I do that in my own crontab? |
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| 18:56.54 | barefoot | hagabaka: yes |
| 18:56.58 | tuv | azeem, thinking about it. i've been working on an older version of some software that requires 4.0. newer version (which would require me redoing my work) is 4.1-ready |
| 18:57.06 | dromer | hark: you there? still broken :( |
| 18:57.08 | hagabaka | oh that's cool |
| 18:57.27 | hagabaka | wonder why i don't see it in cron or crontab's manual |
| 18:57.49 | grendal_prime | ya enouf that didnt work (aptitude -a) |
| 18:57.50 | hagabaka | ah, crontab(5) |
| 18:58.01 | barefoot | ix: i am trying this with both -i c:\path\id_rsa.pub and by loading the key in pagent, but even after authenticating it fails with said message |
| 18:58.08 | jonaskoelker | where can I find documentation on the multipath_*.ko modules? |
| 18:58.12 | barefoot | authenticating manually |
| 18:58.28 | grendal_prime | maybe that switch was directed tword someone else |
| 18:59.01 | whatspy | what are the official sources for the "unstable" release? |
| 18:59.01 | enouf | grendal_prime: ?? |
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| 18:59.14 | ix | barefoot: then I'm really unsure - as I stated, I am not very competent with these sorts of solutions for windows, sorry. I am sure there must be someone here able to help you with your problem, though... |
| 18:59.22 | hark | dromer: yeah, give me a minute or so |
| 18:59.26 | dromer | ok :) |
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| 18:59.45 | barefoot | ix: thanks for trying, its more response than I got in ##linux |
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| 19:00.04 | Maximilianoadl | i have a debian 3.0 computer who become unbooteable because and electrical service interrupt... when it boot starts and the screen shows "LI_" and the blinking cursor and nothing else. I will start from a knoppix cd mount the root partition and reinstall lilo...my question is... is posible to upgrade to sarge only doing a apt-get uptadate / apt-get dist upgrade...? must i need to reconfigure... |
| 19:00.06 | Maximilianoadl | ...everything... there is an apache installed i this computer |
| 19:00.11 | grendal_prime | hey i get this sort of weird error in aptitude about couldnt stat source package list ....bla bla bla... -stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:00.28 | grendal_prime | enouf: sorry i though you were talking to me when you said -a... |
| 19:00.31 | metafor | whatspy: http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 19:00.48 | enouf | grendal_prime: my apologies then .. |
| 19:00.51 | grendal_prime | I think maybe that machine was shut down in the middle of doing something |
| 19:00.56 | grendal_prime | its ok..no biggie |
| 19:01.13 | grendal_prime | aptitude was killed off while it was doing something maybe |
| 19:01.20 | hark | dromer: I'm back. what else did you try? |
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| 19:01.37 | grendal_prime | i cant remember but there is some switch that rebuilds those files.. |
| 19:01.46 | threw | azeem, ok, im trying to use mencoder, but when i try to set my output format (by -ovc divx4 like say the manpage) i get "Unknown option on the command line: -ovc"... any idea please ? |
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| 19:01.54 | nkuttler | Maximilianoadl: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 19:02.37 | azeem | threw: no |
| 19:02.43 | azeem | threw: check its manpage |
| 19:03.24 | Maximilianoadl | nkuttler... just type what you say in the console? |
| 19:03.42 | azeem | Maximilianoadl: no, into your irc client |
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| 19:04.16 | threw | azeem, yes, i checked it: " man mencoder > log;cat log|grep ovc" gives "-ovc <codec name> \n NOTE: Use -ovc help to get a list of available video codecs". and it has the same output if i use help arg with ovc :( |
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| 19:04.33 | azeem | threw: I haven't used mencoder so far, so I won't be able to help you |
| 19:05.15 | dromer | hmm, I got some advice to install xserver-xorg-input-all but that didn't work |
| 19:05.25 | threw | arf ok, thanks anyway :) anyone else has an idea please ? |
| 19:05.28 | dromer | also tried ati-driver with no succes hark |
| 19:05.34 | threw | azeem* |
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| 19:05.47 | hark | dromer: did you install xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 19:05.48 | dromer | we just had diner, so didn't get to try anything else |
| 19:05.54 | dromer | nope, will do |
| 19:06.46 | dromer | hark: after that install, should I try startx again? |
| 19:06.51 | jelly-home | threw: mencoder -ovc help dumps some stuff here. |
| 19:07.15 | hark | dromer: yes, provided you changed "apm" to "ati" |
| 19:07.16 | Maximilianoadl | azeem...thanks |
| 19:07.24 | Maximilianoadl | nkuttler thnks |
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| 19:07.46 | dromer | hark: woot it works :] |
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| 19:08.19 | hark | dromer: great :) |
| 19:08.26 | threw | jelly-home, erf it dont on mine :( wich version do you have ? mine is "MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.2-DFSG-free" (under unstable) ? |
| 19:08.26 | dromer | hmm, blackbox has changed a bit .. |
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| 19:08.50 | jelly-home | threw: dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2 from marillat |
| 19:09.18 | jelly-home | threw: that version is not of much help I think ;-) |
| 19:09.28 | threw | it says ""MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2" ?! |
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| 19:10.34 | jelly-home | threw: yep. version of the package is 1:1.0-pre8cvs20061002-0.0 ... 'fraid I haven't upgraded it in a while |
| 19:10.34 | unlink | where is $CLASSPATH set to /usr/share/java in debian? |
| 19:10.58 | x_link | enouf: I'm a little bit better with Linux now =). Still lame, yes. But learning =). I'm not as afraid as I was before to try/do things, and that feels good as hell! |
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| 19:11.24 | threw | jelly-home, arf ok. maybe should i get the version of official website but it seems down :( |
| 19:11.26 | enouf | x_link: cudos to you x_link :-) |
| 19:11.30 | jelly-home | threw: I suggest using marillat's packages for any serious stuff though, Debian's might be crippled |
| 19:11.39 | x_link | enouf: Cudos? |
| 19:11.46 | x_link | What does that mean? |
| 19:11.54 | jelly-home | !tell threw about marillat |
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| 19:12.13 | enouf | x_link: means great! excellent .. bravo to you! |
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| 19:12.31 | amphi | 'kudos' |
| 19:12.47 | enouf | x_link: in some weird malformation of our language somewjere |
| 19:13.00 | enouf | alright! enouf! |
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| 19:13.09 | jelly-home | enouf: our == dutch? |
| 19:13.15 | unlink | how do i get java to look in jar's in /usr/share/java by default |
| 19:13.16 | threw | !tell threw about marillat.etch |
| 19:13.19 | enouf | !dict cudosa |
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| 19:13.21 | unlink | ? |
| 19:13.22 | enouf | heh |
| 19:13.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for cudosa |
| 19:13.30 | jelly-home | !tell threw about selftell |
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| 19:13.42 | dondelelcaro | it's kudos |
| 19:13.55 | threw | jelly-home, ops ok, sorry :) |
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| 19:16.30 | threw | jelly-home, ok thanks, im installing :) |
| 19:16.35 | enouf | I always just said it .. never had to write it .. nor have I seen it written |
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| 19:18.13 | zzaaf | hello i have a security question, a server on my network has mac address x and i've added it with arp -s IP MAC ... if someone disconnects the server and uses the same ip address as the server one, can it access my box? .. because i've added a specific mac address for the server...? |
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| 19:19.09 | dondelelcaro | really, I guess it's κύδος... but... whatever. |
| 19:19.33 | sepski | zafir, chaning nick after asking a question is mightily stupid. |
| 19:19.51 | sepski | zafir, if you run the interface with arp enabeled i belive it could yes. |
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| 19:20.02 | azeem | sepski: calling somebody stupid because of a little error like that is stupid |
| 19:20.16 | dondelelcaro | zafir: someone could even access it even if you didn't have your box plugged in |
| 19:20.21 | dondelelcaro | s/didn't/did/ |
| 19:20.22 | sepski | zafir, you can disable arp if you want to assign all mac-ip matches staticaly |
| 19:20.29 | NineTails | hi |
| 19:21.04 | dondelelcaro | assuming the switch's bridge table can be overflowed, there's nothing stoping any arbitrary packets from being sent and received by any interface on the network |
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| 19:23.12 | threw | jelly-home, work well thanks :) |
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| 19:24.27 | paul0 | mysql is failing to start here |
| 19:24.28 | jelly-home | threw: nice |
| 19:24.53 | sid | !greet NineTails |
| 19:24.53 | dpkg | Nihao, NineTails |
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| 19:27.38 | zafir | dondelelcaro: but my server's mac address is in the arp table, how can someone still access it if the host has not the same mac address ? |
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| 19:30.52 | Zap-W_ | what are group passwords used for ? how do i login with a group password in gshadow |
| 19:31.22 | Joiop | Hi, one question, for example, I use sendmail, with user mailsend, and its shell is /bin/false, so my question is, if sendmail has a remote exploit, the user will can to use a valid shell? or /bin/false block this 'feature'? |
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| 19:32.01 | azeem | Joiop: how do you make sendmail as user mailsend bind to port 25? |
| 19:32.38 | Joiop | azeem: it is root? |
| 19:33.14 | azeem | what is root? |
| 19:33.24 | Joiop | azeem: well, it is only a question, user postfix, courier imap etc |
| 19:33.33 | Joiop | the question is about /bin/false |
| 19:33.51 | azeem | Joiop: you need root priviledges to bind to the smtp port |
| 19:33.53 | Joiop | if the software is remote explotable, can get a valid shell or not |
| 19:34.19 | azeem | if the software has not dropped root privs when it gets expoited, I'm not sure a /bin/false shell will help |
| 19:34.33 | azeem | otherwise, it looks like a reasonable thing to do, if it works |
| 19:34.41 | sepski | Joiop, if a exploit exsist that let it run arbitary commands it can just as well run /bin/sh and not rely on the shell field in passwd |
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| 19:37.14 | Joiop | sepski: any whay to block this? to block any commands? |
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| 19:37.49 | azeem | Joiop: don't get exploited as root |
| 19:38.24 | jelly-home | don't use sendmail :-> |
| 19:38.31 | sepski | Joiop, run sendmail in a chroot, or use postfix that's a dropin replacement for sendmail. and runs in a chroot as default. and is easier to configure |
| 19:39.10 | Joiop | well, I use postfix, sendmail is only for /bin/false question |
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| 19:39.26 | Joiop | how to block any commands from non authoritzed users, maybe is better question |
| 19:39.35 | azeem | Joiop: the question isn't trivial to answer, see above |
| 19:39.52 | sepski | Joiop, then no. any application that can run arbitary cammandes due to a hole would not rely on the shell field in /etc/passwd |
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| 19:39.59 | vulture | Joiop: If they aren't "authorized" then they couldn't login to your system to begin with. |
| 19:40.15 | vulture | if they've exploited the system then, for all system purposes, they are authorized |
| 19:40.47 | Joiop | uhmm, I see |
| 19:40.50 | Joiop | thanks |
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| 19:41.23 | Joiop | buff, for example courier imap is launchaed as root :( |
| 19:41.45 | vulture | doesn't mean it runs the user-facing processes as root |
| 19:41.59 | sepski | Joiop, my 4 rules of thunb that anyone can do is easily : "dont run things you dont need" "stay updated" "dont run things as root" and "put things in chroot jails" |
| 19:42.05 | vulture | any mail daemon would neet root privs to bind to the <1024 port required |
| 19:42.59 | Joiop | thank you sepski |
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| 19:43.27 | NuttyPro | I am having trouble installing Debian on my laptop, can anybody help me? |
| 19:43.51 | Ronin | NuttyPro: only if you tell us the problems you're having |
| 19:44.00 | jelly-home | NuttyPro: please state the nature of your installation problem |
| 19:44.00 | NuttyPro | hmmm, I dunno |
| 19:44.04 | sepski | vulture, run it as +1025 port and use a iptables redirect to run the mailserver as nonroot :) |
| 19:44.14 | NuttyPro | I downloaded and burnt to a disc the Debian netinstall |
| 19:44.17 | sepski | vulture, but any decent mailserver drops privs so it's not that big a problem |
| 19:44.23 | vulture | sepski: Right |
| 19:44.34 | amphi | !tell NuttyPro about laptop |
| 19:44.42 | NuttyPro | I installed it on my Gateway Solo 2150 laptop, it has a celeron 400 and a 10 gb HD |
| 19:45.13 | NuttyPro | it installed fine, although when I go to boot it up the follow series of errors occur: |
| 19:45.21 | NuttyPro | ide0: reset: success |
| 19:45.21 | NuttyPro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.21 | NuttyPro | Journalled Block Device driver loaded |
| 19:45.21 | NuttyPro | hda1: bad access: block=2, count=2 |
| 19:45.21 | NuttyPro | end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01 (hda), sector 2 |
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| 19:45.44 | NuttyPro | ide0: reset: success |
| 19:45.53 | NuttyPro | unable to read partition table |
| 19:45.53 | NuttyPro | Journalled Block Device driver loaded |
| 19:45.53 | NuttyPro | hda1: bad access: block=2, count=2 |
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| 19:46.20 | dondelelcaro | NuttyPro: do not paste here. |
| 19:46.25 | NuttyPro | yea I can tell lol |
| 19:46.35 | deadcat | if my desktop has 1gig ram, do i really need swap? |
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| 19:46.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I have 1G, and I do. |
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| 19:46.52 | NuttyPro | alright |
| 19:46.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. do you use up all 1gig? |
| 19:46.58 | NuttyPro | the last 2 lines of the error are this: |
| 19:47.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but you may not use your machine like I do... |
| 19:47.10 | dondelelcaro | NuttyPro: use a paste site. Do not paste it here. |
| 19:47.19 | amphi | NuttyPro: sounds like the disk is in poor shape perhaps |
| 19:47.23 | NuttyPro | Kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 19:47.52 | NuttyPro | it is possible, though I had Winders 2k running on it before |
| 19:47.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: true.. currently i have 1.5G with no swap. but i want to take 512 and drop it into my cobalt qube3.. if i have 768MB on a qube3, should i use 1G swap just incase? |
| 19:48.03 | NuttyPro | wanted to upgrade ;-) |
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| 19:48.16 | faraday | hallo? |
| 19:48.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you might as well; the advantage of the swap is that things that don't get used often can be have their memory freed up |
| 19:48.48 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 19:49.08 | grendal_prime | enouf: do you know of a way to fix that error? |
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| 19:49.10 | NuttyPro | I have actually tried re-installing Debian about 3 times lol |
| 19:49.22 | NuttyPro | what to do gentlemen? |
| 19:50.00 | whatspy | huh, is it normal if, for some reason, trying to install an 'unstable' package (python-twisted, to be precise), somehow causes a warning saying the kernel will be overwrited? |
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| 19:51.03 | mike-e | wakakak |
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| 19:52.27 | enouf | grendal_prime: what error? |
| 19:52.28 | cwheeler | anyone here compiled the nvidia non-free kernel module? |
| 19:52.43 | cwheeler | thanks to irc i made a kernel that boots :) |
| 19:52.55 | zinx | orly |
| 19:53.03 | NuttyPro | ya still there amphi? |
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| 19:53.10 | deadcat | !tell cwheeler about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:53.35 | cwheeler | thanks deadcat, great nick |
| 19:53.36 | zinx | cwheeler: hope you used the debian stuff to build it :D |
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| 19:54.17 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:54.18 | cwheeler | yes I did :) |
| 19:54.36 | cwheeler | make-kpkg |
| 19:54.43 | cwheeler | my system is still pure |
| 19:54.59 | zinx | mmm |
| 19:55.00 | deadcat | not mine |
| 19:55.00 | cwheeler | it's actually pretty easy once you know the secrets |
| 19:55.07 | zinx | the nvidia one-liner should work fine then :) |
| 19:55.11 | deadcat | my system has hardcore porn. |
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| 19:55.20 | jelly-home | whose doesn't? |
| 19:55.29 | cwheeler | mine too |
| 19:55.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone know what is the default username and admin password for mediawiki install? |
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| 20:04.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:05.02 | mwe | what could be causing a module to keep getting loaded even though it's blacklisted? |
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| 20:06.07 | h3sp4wn | mwe: Getting loaded in the initramfs before the blacklist takes effect ? |
| 20:06.27 | mwe | I'm not using an initramfs |
| 20:06.39 | mwe | it's pcspkr by the way |
| 20:06.52 | h3sp4wn | What kernel are you using |
| 20:06.53 | Guerin | mwe: in /etc/modules*? |
| 20:06.59 | mwe | no |
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| 20:07.10 | mwe | it's not listed there :( |
| 20:07.14 | Pc_Dark | I did apt-get install tcl8.0 |
| 20:07.17 | Pc_Dark | but eggdrop can't find it |
| 20:07.20 | Pc_Dark | where does it install to |
| 20:08.46 | mwe | grep -rl pcspkr /etc only returns the blacklist file which contains 'blacklist pcspkr'. |
| 20:09.01 | mwe | I guess I'll have to rename the module. it's annoying though |
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| 20:09.36 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: unix software doesn't `install to' anywhere. You probably need the -dev library. |
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| 20:09.47 | Pc_Dark | so what do I apt-get |
| 20:09.55 | Pc_Dark | My friedn needs eggdrop installed ;/ |
| 20:10.00 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:10.07 | Guerin | nobody NEEDS eggdrop |
| 20:10.12 | jetscreamer | whatever you do, don't apt-cache search tcl | grep -dev |
| 20:10.16 | Guerin | unless they're planning on running a spam botnet |
| 20:10.33 | mwe | it seems other people are having problems blacklisting certain modules |
| 20:10.52 | h3sp4wn | mwe: using sarge or etch ? |
| 20:10.53 | jetscreamer | err make that dev not -dev |
| 20:11.00 | Pc_Dark | I know how to use apt-cache |
| 20:11.00 | jetscreamer | don't! |
| 20:11.01 | mwe | etch |
| 20:11.06 | jetscreamer | no don't use it |
| 20:11.12 | h3sp4wn | etch uses initramfs |
| 20:11.13 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: then I guess you don't know how to use debian |
| 20:11.15 | Pc_Dark | but, the grep returned unkown directory error |
| 20:11.20 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: apt-cache search 'tcl.*dev' then? |
| 20:11.21 | jetscreamer | err make that dev not -dev |
| 20:11.27 | Eulex | $ apt-cache search tcl | grep dev|wc -l |
| 20:11.27 | Eulex | 32 |
| 20:11.31 | mwe | h3sp4wn: but I use a custom kernel without initramfs |
| 20:11.38 | jetscreamer | no, don't!!! |
| 20:11.52 | Guerin | mwe: if you made a custom kernel, why did you build a module you didn't want? |
| 20:11.52 | tarzeau | Eulex: you're cool if you get 0 for dpkg -l | grep gtk |
| 20:11.56 | h3sp4wn | mwe: Why build pcspkr then |
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| 20:12.42 | mwe | because I used an old .config. then got annoyed. it still doesn't change the fact that blacklisting is not working |
| 20:12.51 | mwe | I get the same problem with the default kernel |
| 20:13.08 | Guerin | mwe: the answer is that something else someplace in the module system is loading it |
| 20:13.16 | Eulex | tarzeau, my server does |
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| 20:13.27 | Guerin | mwe: might be worth rgrep pcspkr /etc |
| 20:13.29 | tarzeau | Eulex: my workstation does |
| 20:13.32 | mwe | Guerin: I did |
| 20:13.37 | jetscreamer | is that sarge mwe is using? |
| 20:13.39 | Guerin | mwe: nothign there? |
| 20:13.42 | mwe | Guerin: it only returned the blacklist file |
| 20:13.46 | Guerin | mm. |
| 20:13.51 | Eulex | tarzeau, might I guess; you're still on openbox? |
| 20:13.55 | Guerin | i blame udev |
| 20:13.59 | mwe | no etch, jetscreamer |
| 20:14.00 | Guerin | or hotplug or whatever |
| 20:14.04 | tarzeau | Eulex: wmaker/gnustep |
| 20:14.05 | Pc_Dark | thanks, works ;) |
| 20:14.05 | jetscreamer | udev |
| 20:14.32 | h3sp4wn | could be discover stilll runs if its an upgraded sarge |
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| 20:14.33 | Eulex | tarzeau, ah, that's what I meant |
| 20:14.33 | jetscreamer | and my guess is he's trying to blacklist discover-style |
| 20:14.33 | tarzeau | Eulex: yeah what else? gnome? kde? |
| 20:14.36 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 20:14.40 | mwe | according to google other people are having problems with blacklisting. for example it seems it's impossible to blacklist parport_pc as well |
| 20:14.40 | tarzeau | ok i admit, i use ktorrent sometimes |
| 20:14.42 | Guerin | yeh, there are a couple of different blacklisten |
| 20:14.53 | Guerin | tarzeau: you lose |
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| 20:15.41 | mwe | I guess I'll just remove the module and not build it next time. something is not working right, though |
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| 20:16.12 | jetscreamer | once i had to mv genrtc.ko and symlink it to rtc.ko to keep it from getting loaded in the initrd/whatever |
| 20:16.17 | Eulex | tarzeau, xfce is nice |
| 20:16.24 | jetscreamer | or during the boot up process rather |
| 20:16.30 | mwe | hm |
| 20:16.34 | tarzeau | Eulex: i don't like it, because it's so windows like |
| 20:16.34 | mwe | sounds broken |
| 20:16.54 | jetscreamer | mwe what are you editing to blacklist |
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| 20:17.00 | jetscreamer | aka what file |
| 20:17.03 | mwe | jetscreamer: the blacklist file |
| 20:17.06 | jetscreamer | which one |
| 20:17.10 | mwe | jetscreamer: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:17.16 | Eulex | tarzeau, I don't understand. windows-like? |
| 20:17.29 | mwe | jetscreamer: it contains 'blacklist pcspkr' among other things |
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| 20:17.45 | tarzeau | Eulex: act like the user is stupid, make it complicated, be cumbersome, ugly and slow, highly inefficient |
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| 20:18.08 | abrotman | mwe: if another explicitly required module depends on pcspkr .. it'll install it |
| 20:18.09 | jetscreamer | with the purpose of preventing the hotplug subsystem to load them |
| 20:18.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: any idea where i find some classical music for dowlnload, hardly something on limewire or ktorrent? |
| 20:18.14 | Eulex | tarzeau, not at all :P |
| 20:18.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: archive.org |
| 20:18.31 | jetscreamer | mwe: i'm not sure, but you may be blacklisting in the wrong place |
| 20:18.35 | jetscreamer | but i'm not sure |
| 20:18.36 | mwe | abrotman: yeah what would that be? modprobe -r removes it not removing anything else |
| 20:18.42 | mwe | jetscreamer: huh |
| 20:19.01 | mwe | jetscreamer: isn't that what the blacklist file is for? it works for other modules |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | mwe: is somethin gusing pcspokr ? |
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| 20:19.43 | mwe | abrotman: only occasional annoying beeps |
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| 20:20.03 | mwe | abrotman: so no. removing didn't cause it to complain |
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| 20:20.32 | mwe | abrotman: appearently I'm not the only one having this problem (according to google) |
| 20:21.38 | mwe | abrotman: parport_pc seems to insist on being loaded as well, blacklisted or not. |
| 20:21.53 | osiris9 | hi guys i downloaded debian with the 2.47 kernel and someone told me that it is an old kernel can u tell me if there is a better one |
| 20:22.08 | amphi | osiris9: there are newer ones... |
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| 20:22.14 | Ronin | osiris9: newer ones |
| 20:22.39 | osiris9 | but unstable or not? |
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| 20:22.57 | abrotman | mwe: i meant .. is another module using it |
| 20:23.14 | mwe | abrotman: no |
| 20:23.28 | mwe | abrotman: lsmod: pcspkr 2432 0 |
| 20:23.33 | mwe | abrotman: that's it |
| 20:23.37 | Ronin | osiris9: unstable? no in sarges its certainly stable |
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| 20:24.13 | dogmeat | how can i repart a linux part? |
| 20:24.45 | osiris9 | but the live cds are kernel 2.47 so where can i get newer kernels or can i update it wehen debain is still installed? |
| 20:24.49 | mwe | abrotman: I guess there isn't an easy solution other than renaming pcspkr.ko or the answer would have been in the thread I found on google |
| 20:25.00 | Ronin | osiris9: there isnt a live debian cd iirc |
| 20:26.06 | Ronin | osiris9: if its a debian stable cd the default is 2.4 but typing linux26 at teh install prompt will install obviously a 2.6 kernel, etch i think defaults to a 2.6 kernel |
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| 20:26.09 | Mark_Iron | hi ... just looking for somebody who as some experience wiht cmake or autotools (autoconf/automake .. ) |
| 20:26.10 | Guerin | osiris9: sarge installer has 2.6.8 |
| 20:26.28 | Guerin | osiris9: hit f1 at the boot prompt LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY |
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| 20:26.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to selectively dd stuff off a hard drive? My 160GB drive crashed, and I'm currently using an old 80GB one. I can't dd the old one to this one due to space restrictions... |
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| 20:26.58 | Guerin | Mark_Iron: ask in the channel pertaining to your language of choice - #c or whatever |
| 20:27.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or at least force it to copy the areas where there are files, since I know I had a lot of empty space. |
| 20:27.14 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: dd is the wrong tool for this |
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| 20:27.26 | Guerin | chadmaynard: create a new partition and use rsync |
| 20:27.29 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:27.30 | Mark_Iron | great Guerin :) ... thank you very much |
| 20:27.31 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: |
| 20:27.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Which is? |
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| 20:27.46 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: a filesystem-based tool, not a bitwise tool |
| 20:28.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Ok, what do you suggest? |
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| 20:28.34 | hans0lo | I would like to replace a windows M$ SQL server with Debian and mysql or |
| 20:28.34 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: i already suggested something to chadmaynard |
| 20:28.34 | Guerin | hans0lo: good for you. |
| 20:28.35 | hans0lo | postgres, however the application requires M$ SQL.. anyone know of a way to work-around this? |
| 20:28.35 | Guerin | hans0lo: use a different application |
| 20:28.52 | hans0lo | Guerin: that is not an option, unfortunately |
| 20:29.01 | Guerin | hans0lo: then neither is !mssql |
| 20:29.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: How can I use rsync for this? Isn't it a ssh-like thing? |
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| 20:29.08 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: no. |
| 20:29.16 | mwe | hans0lo: change the application |
| 20:29.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | I had it figured for that. |
| 20:29.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I use it for this? |
| 20:29.25 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: it;'s like cp with bells on |
| 20:29.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | But what if I can't mount the drive? |
| 20:29.39 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you are familiar with the concept of `documentation'? |
| 20:29.44 | Guerin | you can |
| 20:29.51 | rhsanborn | Anyone know of a wireless utility that helps with switching between similar access points, and or automatically detecting access points that I have previously connected to? I go to a school with hundreds of AP's, its a pain to switch them when I move between buildings. Also, it'd be nice if it automatically recognized my home AP and connected |
| 20:29.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | How? I tried. |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | hans0lo: use pgsql |
| 20:30.03 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: try harder. |
| 20:30.14 | Guerin | abrotman: but his crapplication NEEDS MSSQL! |
| 20:30.25 | Guerin | rhsanborn: #wireless |
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| 20:30.34 | rhsanborn | Guerin, thnaks |
| 20:30.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Dude, it refuses to mount - How can I otherwise mount it? |
| 20:30.46 | hans0lo | abrotman: will psql 'emulate' a M$ SQL server? |
| 20:31.00 | mwe | Guerin: if you can't change the application there is nothing to do |
| 20:31.09 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: the old drive? |
| 20:31.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Yes |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | hans0lo: nothing will .. sybase (which costs money) is the closest |
| 20:31.27 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you're fux0red, then |
| 20:31.30 | jetscreamer | dd_rhelp is what you want |
| 20:31.39 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you can't dd *part* of a filesystem and have it work |
| 20:31.42 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 20:31.45 | hans0lo | abrotman: is sybase avaliable for linux? if so that may be the route we need to take |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | ask them .. it's not in debian .. it's a pay-for application |
| 20:32.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: How so? And is it possible to make it exclude files of certian sizes? (I've got lots of movies, I don't want it to copy them) |
| 20:32.11 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: either use data recovery tools like photorec/testdisk, find a way to make it mountable, or kiss that drive goodbye |
| 20:32.19 | hans0lo | abrotman: ok, thanks for the help :) |
| 20:32.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 20:32.28 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: no. All this stuff relies on the filesystem. |
| 20:32.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn. |
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| 20:33.45 | barefoot | Dark_Apostrophe: what error do you get when trying to mount the drive? |
| 20:34.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | barefoot: I don't remember, I was doing it yesterday, but basically, it says it isn't mountable |
| 20:34.28 | Guerin | i bet it says more useful stuff than that |
| 20:34.47 | barefoot | Dark_Apostrophe: alot of times you can rebuild the journal to fix issues |
| 20:34.52 | barefoot | but without an error... |
| 20:35.21 | jetscreamer | hey everybody paypal me $1.00 please |
| 20:35.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | barefoot: Tried running xfs_repair and a few others |
| 20:35.45 | Guerin | jetscreamer: how about I freight you - cach on delivery - a steaming pile of shit? |
| 20:35.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: Sure, if you help me recover my hard drive's data. |
| 20:36.04 | jetscreamer | Guerin: how can you guarantee the steaming part |
| 20:36.19 | Guerin | jetscreamer: mm, true. |
| 20:36.34 | Guerin | well, i can put one o' them labels on: `steaming when packed' |
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| 20:37.02 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: try dd_rhelp, it tries to get the data that can be gotten more easily/quicker first |
| 20:37.08 | slav0nic | anybody use zapping with fglrx drivers? |
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| 20:39.26 | Guerin | !anybody use zapping with fglrx drivers? |
| 20:39.45 | jatt | ntop C-c |
| 20:39.46 | jatt | *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000001484aa0 *** |
| 20:39.46 | jatt | aghgh... |
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| 20:43.59 | ghatak | is mentor around ? |
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| 20:44.52 | tuv | gtk-window-decorator wouldn't start with compiz. how do i get window decoration with compiz? |
| 20:45.54 | tuv | metacity --replace brings it back |
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| 20:46.14 | snowbird | how do i get 2.6 i 686 |
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| 20:46.25 | unseensoul | hi |
| 20:46.25 | tuv | but compiz --replace loses it |
| 20:46.49 | unseensoul | is there any gui iptables frontend in debian? |
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| 20:47.31 | tuv | unseensoul, firestarter is a simple limited one |
| 20:47.31 | rahul | gui for iptables? |
| 20:47.39 | rahul | would that be easier or harder to use than ipmasq, heh |
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| 20:47.47 | ghatak | is any OP around ? |
| 20:47.56 | rahul | I mean, you'd have to actually do work to use a gui |
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| 20:47.59 | tuv | shorewall is pretty nice |
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| 20:48.22 | rahul | !ops ghatak is asking for assistance |
| 20:48.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rahul complains about: ghatak is asking for assistance |
| 20:48.38 | cydork | there is also firehol but never tried it :) |
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| 20:49.11 | unseensoul | thanks :) |
| 20:49.16 | ghatak | Well what ever rahul said, anyone around :) |
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| 20:50.05 | tuv | unseensoul, shorewall is not a gui, but i don't think you'll find a good capable and usable gui anyway |
| 20:50.06 | rahul | that's how you ask for an op :) |
| 20:50.09 | josiejaz | Not my system, but on the phone with the user(I use BSD) is there a way to either download, or recover /etc for ETCH, it's been rm -rf'd somehow? I can't find a pkg for /etc on the debian site, (trying unrm right now) |
| 20:50.10 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.29 | ghatak | !ops |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 20:50.45 | unseensoul | tuv, i thought so :\ thank you anyway ;) |
| 20:50.50 | ghatak | !ops i have incorrectly been banned. |
| 20:50.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ghatak complains about: i have incorrectly been banned. |
| 20:51.06 | Guerin | Rusty1: because the browser is set to use an apache start page? |
| 20:51.15 | dendrite | ghatak: Are you hoping they ban you correctly this time? :-) |
| 20:51.25 | rhsanborn | debian has an included wireless manager...at least it came preinstalled on mine....does anyone know what the package is called so I can uninstall it? |
| 20:51.28 | Guerin | ghatak: you're avoiding a ban, and you're complaining about it? |
| 20:51.39 | Guerin | ghatak: the thing to do is to /msg an op |
| 20:52.04 | ghatak | Well i was being cautious about it, as OPS dont like pms |
| 20:52.14 | Guerin | they tend to like ban-evaders less |
| 20:52.20 | Guerin | but hell, whatever works |
| 20:52.23 | Rusty1 | Guerin: you mean is the browser set to open to localhost:80, no |
| 20:52.49 | ghatak | oh come on, i have done nothing wrong, but i am banned from work computer. |
| 20:53.00 | ghatak | i dont even know why i have been banned |
| 20:53.16 | cwheeler | you probably know too much |
| 20:53.21 | Guerin | Rusty1: my point is it's not possible to tell why with the limited information you give. |
| 20:53.39 | tuv | rhsanborn, do you mean 'network-manager'? it's not usually installed by default |
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| 20:54.08 | rhsanborn | tuv, I think so...I'll try getting rid of that...thanks |
| 20:54.13 | ghatak | ebra kadebra ...... give me an OP |
| 20:54.26 | Guerin | ghatak: stop whining and be patient |
| 20:55.19 | ghatak | Okay |
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| 20:55.20 | tuv | rhsanborn, if it's not, find out the binary that is running, and use dpkg -S <filename> to find out the package name |
| 20:55.20 | yanqi | hi |
| 20:55.20 | yanqi | is systemc gpl compatible ? |
| 20:55.20 | Guerin | yanqi: read the license |
| 20:55.20 | Rusty1 | http://rafb.net/p/CpLk6917.html << Guerin |
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| 20:55.55 | vivijim | is there any emdebian devel ? |
| 20:55.58 | Guerin | Rusty1: LISTEN 4525/inetd ? |
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| 20:57.11 | tuv | i installed few dozens of *-dev packages to compile beryl. i uninstalled beryl the same night! |
| 20:57.23 | Rusty1 | Guerin: thx |
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| 20:57.30 | cwheeler | what's beryl? |
| 20:57.47 | tuv | openGL window manager, a compiz fork |
| 20:57.49 | azeem | cwheeler: tried google? |
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| 20:58.05 | rhsanborn | tuv, Its acutally part of gnome-system-tools ... perhaps I just need to stop using it :P |
| 20:58.10 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 20:58.46 | azeem | vivijim: try #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
| 20:58.46 | josiejaz | is there a way to get just /etc/* off the debian site? or someone with a fairly clean/fresh install of ETCH to tar up and send me a copy? |
| 20:59.05 | azeem | josiejaz: eh, /etc likely contains sensitive data |
| 20:59.07 | tuv | rhsanborn, are you referring to the dialog at "Desktop -> Administration -> Networking"? if so, just ignore it |
| 20:59.29 | vivijim | azeem: thanks |
| 20:59.30 | tuv | rhsanborn, and get into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:59.49 | josiejaz | that's why I ask for a fairly clean/fresh install, passwd info could be stripped. I have a friend on the phone that seems to have rm -rf hers. |
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| 21:00.19 | josiejaz | or, is there a way to re-install just /etc/* from the install CD, or grab a tarball from debian.org ? |
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| 21:00.50 | tuv | !confmiss |
| 21:00.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 21:00.51 | rhsanborn | tuv, thats exactly what I'm referring to |
| 21:00.57 | josiejaz | we're trying unrm right now, but it doesn't seem to be working out too well, and a full re-install is a very sad idea. |
| 21:01.15 | tuv | !tell josiejaz about confmiss |
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| 21:01.21 | josiejaz | I saw. |
| 21:01.41 | josiejaz | thank you. |
| 21:01.49 | azeem | josiejaz: how much of it did you delete? |
| 21:01.57 | josiejaz | seems all of /etc/ is gone. |
| 21:02.12 | josiejaz | I'm on the phone with her, and ls -lrt / doesn't list /etc/ at all. |
| 21:03.14 | tuv | root access isn't meant for everyone |
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| 21:03.50 | alexcamilo | is there a way to get apt-get to compleatly remove a package. configuration files and everything |
| 21:04.05 | tuv | alexcamilo, aptitude purge <packagename> |
| 21:04.38 | Rusty1 | Guerin: whats weird is that inetd.conf starts /usr/sbin/bozohttpd, which is not installed (nor are apache, apache2, thttpd etc.), i'm commenting out the invoking line in inetd.conf |
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| 21:08.03 | solemnwarning | How much longer will etch be? :\ |
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| 21:09.38 | josiejaz | thanks for the advice. |
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| 21:10.33 | azeem | solemnwarning: check the messages on d-d-a |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | sepski: WHAT?!~ |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | what you say?! |
| 21:10.34 | tarzeau | and on http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 21:10.43 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you made your sarge box that way .. |
| 21:10.50 | abrotman | dunk-bank ? |
| 21:11.00 | tarzeau | woody got archived |
| 21:11.06 | solemnwarning | The sarge nvidia drivers are too old for my card |
| 21:11.19 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: nobody hinders you from upgrading them? |
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| 21:11.31 | solemnwarning | Official nvidia ones break under deb |
| 21:11.37 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: no, they work fine |
| 21:11.45 | solemnwarning | I somthing deletes a load of the libraries from them on reboot |
| 21:11.59 | deadcat | 646888 ram = 512 + 128MB? |
| 21:12.12 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 21:12.20 | deadcat | i have 512mb and 256mb in there but it only shows the 646888 |
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| 21:12.29 | tarzeau | deadcat: more like 655360 |
| 21:12.35 | chadmaynard | DC ram |
| 21:12.44 | deadcat | DC ram? |
| 21:12.53 | Guerin | foo, my wlan card arrived |
| 21:12.54 | tarzeau | deadcat: like 8 mb are gone in a black hole? |
| 21:13.27 | SpeS | hi, is there a package for celestia in testing right now? |
| 21:13.47 | tarzeau | SpeS: packages.d.o says NO |
| 21:13.49 | rahul | tarzeau: AGP aperture? |
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| 21:14.04 | rahul | oh, he's the one asking |
| 21:14.14 | rahul | but yeah, I think that's what you're hinting at :) |
| 21:14.19 | sepski | tarzeau, well from the efforts of dunc-bank. etch migth be the least buggy release ever.... or the one with the most ignore known bugs... ;) |
| 21:14.46 | tarzeau | sepski: no matter what, it'll be old software :) |
| 21:14.50 | SpeS | tarzeau, is there a reason for that? liscence? |
| 21:15.11 | tarzeau | SpeS: nobody who maintained it for some time? rc bugs? |
| 21:15.12 | SpeS | tarzeau, I can see openuniverse, that seems to be an old celestia... |
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| 21:15.31 | tarzeau | SpeS: check the changelog: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/celestia/celestia_1.3.2-4/changelog |
| 21:15.47 | SpeS | and that package Suggests: celestia |
| 21:15.53 | SpeS | but there's not a celestia package... |
| 21:15.55 | SpeS | let's see.. |
| 21:16.04 | tarzeau | SpeS: there is one, in sid |
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| 21:16.16 | tarzeau | SpeS: it's maintained by QA now, so no, there's not really a maintainer for it |
| 21:16.34 | SpeS | I see, it's unstable... |
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| 21:16.48 | tarzeau | SpeS: no, it's not unstable, it's IN unstable |
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| 21:16.55 | SpeS | ok ok |
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| 21:17.13 | SpeS | so now I need to configure apt-get to get it :) |
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| 21:17.21 | SpeS | tarzeau, thanks |
| 21:17.36 | michal_ | hi, just installed 64bit sarge and found theres no macrmedia flash for 64 bit, does anyone know an alternative |
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| 21:17.57 | azeem | michal_: gnash |
| 21:18.08 | michal_ | thanks, will try it |
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| 21:19.01 | deadcat | tarzeau: no clue.. but the manual only claims the qube3 supports 512MB max. at PC100. i have pc133 and they work |
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| 21:19.42 | sepski | tarzeau, in other words. just what i need for my production servers. |
| 21:20.08 | tarzeau | sepski: yes maybe |
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| 21:20.30 | kritical | Does anyone know how I could find out what group a process is running as? I can't figure it out in `man ps` :S |
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| 21:20.49 | tarzeau | kritical: processes don't have group memberships |
| 21:20.52 | bkw | I've installed postfix,sasl-bin and dovecot in debian. when I try to sent mail I get this in my mail.log "SASL authentication failure: no secret in database" and "SASL CRAM-MD5 authentication failed: authentication failure" |
| 21:20.54 | tarzeau | kritical: what would they be useful for? |
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| 21:21.29 | kritical | tarzeau, I'm trying to change the permissions of a file so that only apache can access it by changing the group ownership |
| 21:21.36 | madd_matt | Hello. I'm a former debian user, and I switched to gentoo a while ago because I was running stable and it was simply too far out of date (That would have been potato and then woody, i think). I'm going to be doing a clean install on this computer and was considering moving back to debian. Binaries are really nicer than source based 90% of the time. Ubuntu has been getting lots of sunshine lately. Can anybody offer me some serious advice on if de |
| 21:21.36 | madd_matt | bian is worthwhile? I'd probably be running unstable, which i've been told is stable enough anyways (I have no problem playing around to get stuff to work). |
| 21:21.50 | kritical | This article I'm reading said change it to root.nogroup but that doesn't work |
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| 21:22.19 | tarzeau | madd_matt: try with debian, you'll have much more software |
| 21:22.24 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: almost everyone here runs Debian, so yes... |
| 21:22.30 | tarzeau | madd_matt: or do ubuntu if you don't care about configuring stuff |
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| 21:22.45 | tarzeau | kritical: and where's the problem? |
| 21:23.08 | kritical | tarzeau, it didn't work as root.nogroup ... so I'm trying to figure out what group apace is running as |
| 21:23.17 | kritical | apache@ |
| 21:23.22 | tarzeau | kritical: it's not running as a group |
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| 21:23.42 | kritical | "If your server is configured to run as user nobody and group nogroup, then you should set permissions on the file so that only the webserver can read the file and only root can write to it" |
| 21:23.46 | madd_matt | kritical, it runs as a user. That user may be a member of some groups, check /etc/group |
| 21:23.52 | kritical | oh okay I see |
| 21:23.58 | kritical | That makes mroe sense =) |
| 21:24.03 | kritical | Thanks a lot madclicker |
| 21:24.07 | kritical | madd_matt* |
| 21:24.08 | azeem | why wouldn't it have a gid? |
| 21:24.18 | tarzeau | azeem: the process? |
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| 21:25.29 | azeem | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:25.50 | tarzeau | azeem: files have user and group ids, so you can control access to them |
| 21:25.52 | azeem | medc: try to explain the actual problem you're having with installing |
| 21:25.57 | azeem | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:26.01 | tarzeau | who'd want to access a process? |
| 21:26.07 | azeem | huh? |
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| 21:26.17 | tarzeau | can i kill processes of users of the same group? |
| 21:26.30 | cureless | no |
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| 21:26.42 | tarzeau | cureless: i know, it wasn't an actual question |
| 21:26.42 | azeem | how is that related to the fact that processes usually have a group id? |
| 21:27.01 | cureless | tarzeau: sorry, got confused by the "?" :-) |
| 21:27.06 | tarzeau | azeem: it's not the process having it |
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| 21:27.11 | tarzeau | azeem: it's the program, the file |
| 21:27.18 | tarzeau | not a running process, he was looking for it in ps |
| 21:27.31 | medc | azeem, http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb but all the pack are in ubuntu format |
| 21:27.31 | azeem | tarzeau: what is "it"? |
| 21:27.44 | azeem | medc: wine is available from ftp.debain.org |
| 21:27.47 | tarzeau | for the group id of the process |
| 21:27.47 | azeem | eh, ftp.debian.org |
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| 21:29.07 | tarzeau | kritical: processes don't have group ids, running programs have group permissions, and that's defined in the file permission of the program |
| 21:29.07 | tarzeau | kritical: so search for your apache binary and check it's uid/gid, apache has some options in the config file to drop them to something less |
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| 21:29.25 | azeem | tarzeau: what's the difference between "process" and "running program"? |
| 21:29.35 | h3sp4wn | medc: If you *must* have a more upto date version you could use the ubuntu deb-src (e.g from wine.budgetdedicated.com )and build for debian easily |
| 21:29.36 | kritical | I found one called www-data >_> |
| 21:29.45 | tarzeau | azeem: the point is that a file doesn't have access to other files |
| 21:29.47 | snowbird | debian sarge try to get etch |
| 21:29.53 | azeem | tarzeau: clever |
| 21:29.55 | dondelelcaro | processes have egid and regid... |
| 21:29.56 | snowbird | how do i get i686 kernal? |
| 21:29.57 | azeem | 22:17 < tarzeau> kritical: processes don't have group ids |
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| 21:30.03 | azeem | I'm just saying that this is wrong |
| 21:30.08 | quiet | hrm... how do i get vi to use arrows for navigation in gnome-terminal? if i'm in INSERT mode.. and i hit the right arrow, it makes a new line with a C |
| 21:30.10 | tarzeau | azeem: ok my wording was badly chosen |
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| 21:30.20 | blondie | medc: why can't you install from etch's sources? |
| 21:30.38 | medc | the source are from ubuntu |
| 21:30.43 | blondie | medc: why can't you install from etch's sources? |
| 21:30.56 | medc | cause doesnt run |
| 21:31.05 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: can those be listed somehow of a running process? |
| 21:31.07 | azeem | medc: tell us the error message |
| 21:31.11 | blondie | explain |
| 21:31.19 | azeem | nighthawk/mnt/mbanck$ ps axo gid,comm | grep apache2 | head -2 |
| 21:31.19 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.19 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.26 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: the kernel knows it, so yes. |
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| 21:31.48 | azeem | 33 is www-data |
| 21:31.54 | blondie | ideas why the "lock screen" functionality in gnome (on etch) has stopped working recently? |
| 21:32.02 | blondie | click it and nothing happens |
| 21:32.12 | azeem | blondie: is *screensaver activated? |
| 21:32.22 | blondie | define activated? |
| 21:32.28 | azeem | blondie: can you configure the screensaver? |
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| 21:32.35 | dondelelcaro | blondie: do you have xlock or something installed? |
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| 21:32.51 | dondelelcaro | presumably you need either xscreensaver running or xlock installed. |
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| 21:33.00 | azeem | or gnome-screensaver |
| 21:33.00 | mikefoo | when you do an ls -al after the permissions what is the single number listed? Anyone know? |
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| 21:33.11 | dondelelcaro | s/xlock/xlockmore/ |
| 21:33.11 | kritical | azeem, ps aux,egid,rgid (effective group id, real group id) |
| 21:33.31 | blondie | well I can configure the screensaver |
| 21:33.46 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: it's the number of links to the file or directory. |
| 21:34.13 | azeem | blondie: what if you right-click on the icon? |
| 21:34.16 | mikefoo | so soft links? |
| 21:34.43 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: no. Hard links. |
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| 21:35.23 | blondie | azeem: right-clicking the icon in the Desktop menu just closes the menu, right-clicking the one in the "taskbar" thing brings up a menu for changing the shortcut |
| 21:35.54 | azeem | hrm |
| 21:36.06 | azeem | blondie: do you have xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver installed? |
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| 21:36.10 | blondie | I have two "Screensaver" things in the gnome preferences menu... could they be conflicting? |
| 21:36.15 | blondie | azeem: well maybe both |
| 21:36.28 | azeem | possible |
| 21:36.32 | azeem | better remove one and check |
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| 21:37.30 | quiet | blondie, you have gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver probably... |
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| 21:37.44 | blondie | well removed xscreensaver |
| 21:37.51 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:37.56 | jetscreamer | it's the gnome one thatsucks |
| 21:38.32 | rogier | Can anybody tell me which program I should use if I want to make a deb out of source code/self compiled package ? |
| 21:38.46 | azeem | rogier: you should read the new maintainers guide |
| 21:38.49 | deadcat | i have problem with netinstall netboot: Root-NFS: Unable to get nfsd port number from server, using default RPC: sendmsg returned error 22 Root-NFS: Server returned error -22 while mounting /nfsroot-x86 |
| 21:38.50 | tuv | rogier, checkinstall |
| 21:38.51 | azeem | rogier: it's non-trivial |
| 21:38.55 | deadcat | those 3 errors. |
| 21:39.20 | rogier | Ok, thanks tuv and azeem, will look into it. |
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| 21:40.21 | deadcat | please help out with this netboot error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5050 |
| 21:40.44 | blondie | hmm, dunno if the gnome screensaver is working... at least it didn't activate after 1 minute of me not doing anything |
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| 21:41.22 | azeem | blondie: right click on the panel icon still doesn't show more context options, like "Activate Screensaver"? |
| 21:41.43 | blondie | azeem: oh it does, but "activate screensaver" does nothing |
| 21:41.49 | azeem | blondie: also, you might have to stop totem for it to work |
| 21:41.53 | azeem | blondie: hrm, no idea then |
| 21:42.05 | azeem | blondie: check ~/.xsession-errors maybe |
| 21:42.09 | rogier | deadcat, is nfs accessible from other hosts ? It seems like it can't reach it. |
| 21:42.21 | blondie | gnome-screensaver-Message: Screensaver is not running! |
| 21:42.24 | deadcat | rogier: let me try to mount it from anotehr computer. |
| 21:42.30 | azeem | blondie: or try gnome-screensaver-command --lock from a console |
| 21:42.52 | azeem | blondie: well, "activate" it from the preferences, maybe |
| 21:42.53 | blondie | that says Screensaver is not running! |
| 21:42.58 | blondie | it is activated |
| 21:43.03 | blondie | it always has been |
| 21:43.14 | rBo3Db | hello... I am source-compiling claws-mail and want openssl support... which one package should I install since I couldn't find openssl-dev in the repository?.. (etch) |
| 21:43.17 | zinx | tuv: compiz is complete crap |
| 21:43.17 | azeem | does ps show a gnome-screensaver process? |
| 21:43.23 | azeem | zinx: thanks for sharing |
| 21:43.27 | zinx | tuv: and as for beryl: (zinx) beryl wouldn't suck if it weren't for: activated plugins making everything else stop functioning, plugins not obeying xinerama partitions, crashing when changing a number of settings, completely insane keyboard/mouse shortcut management, and other miscelaneous things probably only i care about. |
| 21:43.35 | quiet | can anyone give me a hand with vim? |
| 21:43.38 | blondie | no it doesn't |
| 21:43.45 | azeem | blondie: try to run it manually |
| 21:43.50 | quiet | i've not had this issue on any other distro.. :\ |
| 21:43.57 | azeem | quiet: ask a specific question |
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| 21:44.20 | blondie | azeem: that works... but shouldn't it start automatically? |
| 21:44.27 | azeem | it should |
| 21:44.35 | quiet | when in INSERT mode, it doesn't let me use arrow navigation... |
| 21:44.37 | azeem | maybe having both installed prevented that |
| 21:44.38 | deadcat | rogier: i can mount it from my laptop. but my laptop has portmap and nfs-common running.. |
| 21:44.48 | azeem | quiet: did you start it as "vim" or "vi"? |
| 21:44.48 | blondie | azeem: well I removed the other one and logged out and back in to gnome |
| 21:44.53 | azeem | blondie: hrm |
| 21:44.55 | tuv | zinx, compiz used work just fine. it's still less usable than metacity, but it's ok. i tried beryl, and uninstalled it the same night. then compiz trouble started: no window decorator no matter what i do |
| 21:45.07 | zinx | tuv: less usable than metacity is completely unusable, IMHO :D |
| 21:45.09 | tuv | zinx, i couldn't live with beryl at all |
| 21:45.32 | zinx | tuv: fwiw compiz is like an old version of metacity in that department |
| 21:45.39 | quiet | azeem ahh... debian has both vi and vim... |
| 21:45.43 | tuv | zinx, aggressive defaults. ugly themes, and metacity themes didn't work for me |
| 21:45.44 | quiet | vim works... |
| 21:45.45 | zinx | tuv: i can only assume that's because it's based off an old metacity |
| 21:45.45 | azeem | quiet: no |
| 21:46.00 | azeem | quiet: update-alternatives --config vi |
| 21:46.13 | zinx | tuv: ah, i don't generally base things off default configurations |
| 21:46.15 | rogier | deadcat, I must say I do not have a lot of experience with these things. But, what about those 0.0.0.0 . Seems strange as well to me. |
| 21:46.32 | quiet | azeem vim.tiny ? |
| 21:46.32 | zinx | tuv: i usually go for "what's the best i can do with this?" |
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| 21:46.46 | quiet | --config vim says the same thing |
| 21:46.48 | azeem | quiet: that question didn't contain a verb |
| 21:46.52 | tuv | zinx, tried that.. but the themes shut me down. not a single one i liked |
| 21:46.59 | zinx | tuv: heh |
| 21:47.05 | azeem | quiet: select vim, I guess |
| 21:47.35 | utab | why does not my vi settings in .vimrc get activated |
| 21:47.43 | zinx | tuv: i'm using fvwm fwiw (very non-default configuration, though) |
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| 21:47.57 | tuv | zinx, basically i didn't like how beryl felt. but now i can't even use compiz. it can't get a window-decorator |
| 21:48.00 | zinx | it has problems on amd64, however. |
| 21:48.09 | zinx | tuv: even if you restart X? |
| 21:48.19 | cwheeler | all this debian stuff works once you learn it's secrets |
| 21:48.19 | zinx | tuv: you should just have to kill off the current window decorator and start the one you want |
| 21:48.27 | tuv | zinx, i went as far as reboot to make it work.. no luck |
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| 21:48.39 | zinx | tuv: ah, weird, maybe it uninstalled some stuff from the one you were using |
| 21:48.44 | monokrome | hey |
| 21:49.01 | tuv | zinx, purged and reinstalled too. still no luck |
| 21:49.11 | zinx | tuv: then compiz just sucks ;D |
| 21:49.17 | zinx | (i've no love for it) |
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| 21:49.34 | RvGaTe | Where can i get a list of available keyboard layouts and their corrosponding keys that i can use for xorg? |
| 21:49.37 | azeem | zinx: because it's authors can actually engineer? |
| 21:49.45 | azeem | quite some people hate engineers, apparently |
| 21:49.47 | __OG_ | hi all |
| 21:49.50 | zinx | azeem: ... |
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| 21:49.57 | monokrome | Although I know that glxgears is not a bench mark, my laptop's X1600 is only getting around 200FPS in it. Direct rendering is enabled. Anyone know what might cause the slowdown? |
| 21:49.59 | blondie | azeem: I don't know if it's a per-user thing, but it doesn't start if another (new) user logs in either :( |
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| 21:50.09 | tuv | zinx, it used to work just fine, until i had that beryl awful experience |
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| 21:50.23 | zinx | azeem: because it has all the problems i stated for beryl, plus all the usability (none) of an old version of metacity, plus some really poor window placement, won't run as a gnome window manager, etc etc |
| 21:50.31 | rBo3Db | which openssl development package should i use to get openssl support in a source-compiled claws-mail aka sylpheed-claws? |
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| 21:50.39 | tuv | zinx, btw, what are good window managers other than metacity? |
| 21:50.42 | azeem | zinx: I'm not interested in your opinion |
| 21:50.45 | azeem | blondie: maybe try #gnome-debian on gimpnet |
| 21:50.55 | monokrome | tuv: openbox :D |
| 21:51.33 | jjazz | tuv: fluxbox |
| 21:51.34 | zinx | azeem: i was listing problems i perceive it to have, not giving you an opinion. the opinion is that it sucks, and for free to not be interested in that, but when you start telling me why i think it sucks, i'm going to tell you why i really think it sucks. |
| 21:51.54 | azeem | whatever |
| 21:51.58 | zinx | tuv: i don't like any windows managers completely |
| 21:52.06 | tuv | monokrome, jjazz : are those window managers or desktop environments? |
| 21:52.06 | Guerin | !ralink |
| 21:52.07 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 21:52.15 | azeem | zinx: maybe you've been beaten by a winow manager as a child? |
| 21:52.16 | jjazz | tuv: the former |
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| 21:52.26 | zinx | azeem: just a perfectionist |
| 21:52.29 | azeem | ah |
| 21:52.35 | tuv | zinx, then i guess you're writing one ;) |
| 21:52.46 | zinx | i have fvwm set up pretty well (thanks to a module i wrote for it) |
| 21:52.49 | azeem | no, then he'd be an engineer, but he hates those |
| 21:52.55 | zinx | but it has some bugs that i don't have time to fix |
| 21:53.03 | zinx | azeem: uh, i'm a programmer, believe it or not |
| 21:53.11 | Administrator_ | fvwm? |
| 21:53.16 | Administrator_ | fvwm sucks |
| 21:53.17 | azeem | zinx: then show some respect to other FLOSS projects |
| 21:53.37 | azeem | saying "it sucks" isn't really appropriate for a programmer. It's fine for the people in here, though. |
| 21:53.58 | karsten | Anyone have a brief rundown on differences between swatch and the stuff Splunk's selling these days? |
| 21:54.04 | zinx | azeem: uhm |
| 21:54.13 | zinx | azeem: if you take that attitude, software will never get anywhere |
| 21:54.15 | abrotman | swatch makes watches .. and internet time!!!!!!!! |
| 21:54.17 | karsten | And/or have ideas as to do system health monitoring. Not just specific to Debian. |
| 21:54.23 | zinx | azeem: i'm kind enough to tell people *WHY* i think things suck |
| 21:54.35 | utab | how to get the vi settings to work, I created .vimrc but vi is still the default, settings had no effect |
| 21:54.36 | zinx | azeem: so it can be fixed |
| 21:54.37 | azeem | zinx: you weren't asked for your opinion in the first place |
| 21:54.39 | azeem | but whatver |
| 21:54.39 | jjazz | abrotman: It's always internet time around here. |
| 21:54.50 | azeem | zinx: right saying "compiz sucks" in here will get it fixed. |
| 21:54.52 | zinx | azeem: i was trying to save tuv some time ;) |
| 21:55.04 | karsten | utab: Which vi are you using? ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi (or chase $( which vi ) if you have chase installed. |
| 21:55.12 | Ryushin | I'm trying to test some speed issues we have with a client in Australia, since I'm in the US. I'm trying to find a pay proxy that is based in Australia, and I'm having a hard time finding any legitimate pay proxies sites. Does anyone know of any decent sites out there? |
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| 21:55.23 | karsten | Administrator_: A description of *why* you think it sucks may be illuminating. |
| 21:55.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I get grub to rescan the system for OSs? I plugged in my Windows hard drive as hdb2, I want it to pick it up and add it to the list |
| 21:55.39 | karsten | Ryushin: WTF is a pay proxy? |
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| 21:55.52 | jetscreamer | one you pay? |
| 21:55.57 | zinx | azeem: when there are multiple competing projects, it only makes sense for me to recommend the ones with the (seemingly) more capable developers and better design over the ones that are lesser. |
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| 21:56.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: A commercial proxy operator |
| 21:56.10 | Ryushin | karsten: I pay to use bandwidth on a proxy and auth using a ID and password. |
| 21:56.10 | tuv | i know what i see. compiz if ok, but got problems recently on my system. my other machine has compiz running perfectly fine. i believe beryl has done something to it. beryl, OTOH, is no-go for me, at least not at the moment |
| 21:56.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Like the swedish P2P proxy relakks |
| 21:56.23 | utab | karsten: my vi is a symbolic link to nvi |
| 21:56.23 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Um. dpkg-reconfigure grub would be my first bet. Or read the multiboot howtos and add an appropriate boot stanza with the chainloader option. |
| 21:56.33 | karsten | utab: That's your problem. |
| 21:56.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: ty |
| 21:56.55 | karsten | utab: nvi != vim. aptitude install vim; aptitute purge nvi |
| 21:57.35 | karsten | utab: And the smart kids here can tell you how to do that in oe step. I think aptitude install vim -nvi does it. |
| 21:57.48 | azeem | nvi- I'd say |
| 21:57.49 | azeem | dunno |
| 21:57.55 | utab | karsten: yes but what is nvi, this is the first time I came across with, anyway thx |
| 21:57.57 | azeem | hrm, the former makes more sene |
| 21:58.03 | azeem | utab: apt-cache show nvi |
| 21:58.05 | karsten | utab: aptitude install vim nvi_ |
| 21:58.08 | karsten | utab: ... purges. |
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| 21:58.30 | karsten | utab: nvi is a Bill Joy rewrite of his first vi. It's basic vi, not with all the goodness of vim. |
| 21:58.45 | Guerin | if you can call it goodness |
| 21:59.18 | karsten | Guerin: *I* call it teh sexay. |
| 21:59.22 | utab | karsten: thx, I love this channel for instant answers and replies, the power of sharing |
| 21:59.29 | karsten | utab: ;-) |
| 21:59.31 | Guerin | karsten: pervert. |
| 21:59.36 | Guerin | mind you |
| 21:59.38 | karsten | Guerin: Your point? |
| 21:59.49 | Guerin | yeh, was going to say ... redundant |
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| 22:00.10 | utab | karsten, actually I am still an eager learner, most of the time I ask question :)) |
| 22:00.11 | karsten | Guerin: The *reason* emacs comes with a psychoanalyst is 'coz it *has* to. |
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| 22:00.31 | karsten | utab: One of the best ways to learn. RTFMing and trying it yourself doesn't hurt either. |
| 22:00.45 | blondie | ps -ef |grep telnet |
| 22:00.46 | blondie | er |
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| 22:01.08 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 22:01.30 | blondie | karsten: is that like a PIN number ;) |
| 22:02.07 | karsten | blondie: After you punch in your pin number at the atm mashine at any Nasa administration sight, you get a bash shell. |
| 22:02.14 | karsten | s/mash/mach/ |
| 22:02.20 | karsten | s/sight/site/ |
| 22:02.26 | tuv | my dsl modem can't handle me anymore. i have to reset it every few days |
| 22:03.00 | Guerin | well, my ralink card seems to be working |
| 22:03.12 | Guerin | if only I had a wlan network to connect it to |
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| 22:03.59 | yetifoot | i'm trying to add the repo to sources.list, but it wont work, is this right? deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:04.25 | tuv | yetifoot, add a space before 'stable |
| 22:04.37 | karsten | yetifoot: Space before "debian/stable" or "stable" likely. |
| 22:04.46 | yetifoot | thanks |
| 22:04.52 | karsten | yetifoot: What tuv saisd. |
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| 22:05.34 | yetifoot | i get an ERROR and failed to open the file |
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| 22:06.20 | paddy2706 | hey i have a q: how can i test if a fifo is working correctly? |
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| 22:06.31 | karsten | paddy2706: Read and write from it. |
| 22:06.39 | tuxedup | im trying to comple my own kernel, i downloaded the 2.6.19-1 source tree from kernel.org and have loaded the 2.6.18 config from etch kernel, when i runmake-kpkg --initrd --revision 2.6.19-tuxedup kernel_image complains about debian changelog |
| 22:07.06 | karsten | paddy2706: mkfifo /tmp/testfifo; df > /tmp/testfifo; cat /tmp/testfifo |
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| 22:07.30 | karsten | paddy2706: ... should show df output after running cat. Mind you'll have to issue that in a seperate shell as written, since df will block on output. |
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| 22:08.52 | paddy2706 | karsten, thanks, i tried tail -f and that didnt work ;) |
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| 22:11.20 | deadcat | please help out with this netboot error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5050 |
| 22:11.45 | snowbird | to upgrade etch do you need etch in sorces |
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| 22:12.08 | wedgeV | anyone using mod_musicindex with apache? |
| 22:12.32 | karsten | paddy2706: fuser <file> should show you what's writing the FIFO if anything. What's the FIFO, what's the use of it? |
| 22:12.40 | karsten | snowbird: It's quite helpful |
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| 22:12.52 | Guerin | !anyone use mod_musicindex with apache? |
| 22:12.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses mod_musicindex with apache, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:13.04 | snowbird | kk karsen i did not doo that oops |
| 22:13.08 | dogmeat | i've got 4 primary partitions and need to make another. one is for swap, was using gparted live cd, which util can i use to move partitions around? parted? |
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| 22:13.22 | karsten | snowbird: Mind: "testing" is a synonym for etch ATM. |
| 22:13.25 | snowbird | karsten also ned 1 686 2.6 |
| 22:13.36 | snowbird | kk karsen |
| 22:13.40 | karsten | dogmeat: Sorta. |
| 22:13.59 | wedgeV | helpfull |
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| 22:14.39 | snowbird | karsen |
| 22:14.41 | paddy2706 | karsten, syslogd is writing any mail.* message to this fifo to have mailtrafficd read it, since courier does not come with any possibility to count traffic. unfortunately it doesn't work so far, so i wanted to check if the fifo is working, but its filling, so it seems ok ;) |
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| 22:15.07 | karsten | paddy2706: I'm not sure that's going to work the way you want it to. |
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| 22:15.33 | clintsnet | does anyone in here.. know deals with ipod nano's and getting them recognized with applications like banshee, and gtkpod |
| 22:16.30 | karsten | paddy2706: If syslogd is writing and closign the file, mailtrafficd is going to read and close as well at EOF (^D). |
| 22:17.01 | karsten | paddy2706: You'll have to run one or the other in a loop. Too: both processes will block (on input or output) if the other's not running. |
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| 22:18.27 | karsten | paddy2706: Hrm. Testing here: In one term: mkfifo /tmp/testfifo; cat /tmp/testfifo |
| 22:18.32 | sdubois92 | im having trouble getting my soundcard to work |
| 22:18.35 | karsten | paddy2706: In another: bash > /tmp/testfifo |
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| 22:18.43 | karsten | paddy2706: ... bash's stdout goes to the fifo. |
| 22:18.45 | paddy2706 | karsten, it should, i have this from a how to that quite some users reported to work ;) |
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| 22:19.30 | karsten | paddy2706: OK. Sort why it isn't ;-) |
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| 22:19.46 | paddy2706 | karsten, syslogd passes the loglines via mail.* |/var/log/mail.fifo |
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| 22:19.55 | paddy2706 | maybe thats different |
| 22:19.55 | acemo | I am doing my first debian install atm, and am at the list where to choose what to install, now i have 2 questions, is desktop enviroment a complete kde/gnome installation? and what does the standart system installs? |
| 22:20.20 | azeem | acemo: yes, it's a complete gnome/kde |
| 22:20.26 | sdubois92 | it is a complete kde/gnome |
| 22:20.48 | azeem | acemo: the standard stuff is the standard stuff you'd expect to be around if you ran other Linux distributions in the past |
| 22:21.23 | x_link | azeem: I think it install gnome as default. |
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| 22:21.31 | x_link | Did that for me anyway. |
| 22:21.50 | acemo | if i want just kde, with as little programs installed as possible, should i manually install kde or should i choose for the desktop enviroment? |
| 22:21.57 | azeem | x_link: that depends on the version |
| 22:22.04 | x_link | azeem: Okey |
| 22:22.05 | sdubois92 | it is a complete kde/gnome |
| 22:22.06 | Ny-Ty | i`m now GNU/FREE |
| 22:22.08 | sdubois92 | im having trouble getting my soundcard to work |
| 22:22.08 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 22:22.10 | Ny-Ty | i have only debian |
| 22:22.11 | azeem | acemo: which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 22:22.21 | acemo | sec |
| 22:22.36 | deadcat | whats a simple software (WYSIWYG) for editing simple webpages? like edit my about.html or index.html from the web |
| 22:22.42 | karsten | acemo: Your other option is to do a minimal install and add what you want later. You can get back to the "install a particular configuration" thing later with tasksel. |
| 22:22.45 | sdubois92 | nvu |
| 22:22.49 | sdubois92 | nvu is good |
| 22:22.51 | sdubois92 | buggy |
| 22:22.52 | karsten | deadcat: vi |
| 22:22.53 | sdubois92 | but good |
| 22:22.58 | azeem | nvu is no longer maintained |
| 22:23.05 | azeem | I think |
| 22:23.10 | karsten | deadcat: ... vim, rather |
| 22:23.14 | acemo | azeem: this is the iso file i used http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:23.24 | azeem | acemo: ok |
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| 22:23.29 | deadcat | karsten: not for me. for people who dont know html.. |
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| 22:23.50 | karsten | deadcat: bluesomethingorother. |
| 22:23.51 | acemo | how can i see if it will install gnome or kde? |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 22:23.55 | sdubois92 | nvu is the only choice really |
| 22:23.58 | karsten | bluefish, yeah. |
| 22:24.09 | azeem | acemo: for kde, try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 22:24.22 | karsten | deadcat: ... or apt-cache search html editor |
| 22:24.22 | sdubois92 | im having trouble getting my soundcard to work |
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| 22:24.41 | telmich | anyone an idea, why the newly installed products in zope3 are not seen? |
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| 22:24.45 | karsten | !sound |
| 22:24.46 | dpkg | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 22:24.49 | acemo | i guess its manually installing kde then.. cuz this pc has no burner and the laptop with the burner has no OS atm |
| 22:24.52 | streuner | sdubois92: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 22:25.06 | sciboy | Hey guys, if i want to have a VARIABLE set system wide forever where do i shove it? |
| 22:25.15 | Guerin | !system-wide |
| 22:25.16 | sdubois92 | 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 22:25.20 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 22:25.21 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 22:25.32 | sciboy | n=| |
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| 22:25.40 | karsten | Guerin: Sometimes it's necessary. |
| 22:25.49 | azeem | sciboy: /etc/environment |
| 22:25.50 | karsten | sciboy: /etc/environment, sometimes. |
| 22:25.55 | sciboy | Thanks. =) |
| 22:26.38 | streuner | sdubois92: and ALSA doesn't work for you? |
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| 22:26.43 | norc | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 22:26.45 | sdubois92 | alsamixer? |
| 22:26.53 | norc | what shall I do if I have removed my /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
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| 22:27.14 | karsten | Oh tirip.... |
| 22:27.18 | karsten | Trip, even. |
| 22:27.24 | streuner | sdubois92: apt-get install alsa-utils and run 'alsaconf' as root |
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| 22:27.33 | mixman | hi |
| 22:27.54 | mixman | i want to ask about ati drivers for X1950 card |
| 22:28.00 | mixman | :-0 |
| 22:28.16 | karsten | Open two xterms. Run:" mkfifo /tmp/myfifo; cat /tmp/myfifo" in one. Run: "bash >/tmp/myfifo 2>&1; vi" in the other. |
| 22:28.23 | karsten | mixman: Ask |
| 22:28.23 | blondie | mixman: ask then |
| 22:28.26 | karsten | !tell mixman about ask |
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| 22:29.01 | mixman | lol i need to make it working on linux |
| 22:29.12 | sdubois92 | alsaconf just gave a lot of no module found |
| 22:29.12 | mixman | but i think its not officially supported by ati |
| 22:29.31 | streuner | sdubois92: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 22:29.37 | karsten | mixman: We're still waiting for a question. |
| 22:29.51 | Shadowcat | we ask questions in here? |
| 22:29.53 | karsten | !tell mixman about smart questions |
| 22:29.53 | Shadowcat | since when? |
| 22:29.59 | sdubois92 | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 |
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| 22:30.17 | streuner | sdubois92: ok, just install an 2.6.x kernel |
| 22:30.28 | mixman | i need to know is there a person with ati radeon X1950 card ? |
| 22:30.37 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 22:30.39 | Ny-Ty | ati is not good for linux |
| 22:30.42 | Shadowcat | that card isn't gonna work with Linux |
| 22:30.44 | Shadowcat | next! |
| 22:30.44 | karsten | Shadowcat: -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered: 8 years 47 weeks (0h 46m 44s) ago |
| 22:30.46 | sdubois92 | ive never installed a kernel before, other than just installing the distro |
| 22:30.51 | sdubois92 | how do i do it? |
| 22:30.56 | mixman | lol i know that ati sucks |
| 22:31.01 | streuner | sdubois92: you could also use OSS, just check out '/msg dpkg hl' |
| 22:31.01 | Ny-Ty | because ati is windows-based :-) |
| 22:31.05 | karsten | sdubois92: aptitude install <kernel version> |
| 22:31.08 | son_goku | tengo la poya enorme |
| 22:31.14 | Ny-Ty | we are Nvidia |
| 22:31.19 | blondie | son_goku: english pelase |
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| 22:31.21 | blondie | *please |
| 22:31.21 | karsten | son_goku: English |
| 22:31.25 | streuner | !tell sdubois92 about dl |
| 22:31.36 | son_goku | My dick is big |
| 22:31.42 | blondie | son_goku: that's very nice |
| 22:31.52 | karsten | !ops son_goku trolling |
| 22:31.52 | streuner | haha |
| 22:31.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: son_goku trolling |
| 22:32.04 | sdubois92 | whats the latest kernel release |
| 22:32.07 | streuner | blondie: i expected everything, but NOT this :-) |
| 22:32.08 | sdubois92 | stable kernel release |
| 22:32.14 | Shadowcat | sdubois92: why do you need to know? |
| 22:32.15 | streuner | !kernel |
| 22:32.17 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.1, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.20-rc4-git3, 2.4: 2.4.34, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc3-mm1 |
| 22:32.17 | blondie | haha |
| 22:32.19 | karsten | !tell sdubois92 about search |
| 22:33.11 | Shadowcat | when do the kids go back to school? |
| 22:33.16 | Shadowcat | so that we can get some work done in here? |
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| 22:33.29 | karsten | Shadowcat: We get work done in here? |
| 22:33.30 | mixman | Shadowcat, i'm asking for my friend |
| 22:33.36 | mixman | i have nvidia card |
| 22:33.37 | sdubois92 | so aptitude install 2.6.19.1 |
| 22:33.40 | mixman | and its working well |
| 22:33.50 | karsten | sdubois92: linux-kernel-<version> |
| 22:33.53 | streuner | sdubois92: hell, no |
| 22:33.55 | Shadowcat | mixman: then tell your friend to get his ass in here and do his own asking |
| 22:33.56 | sdubois92 | ok |
| 22:34.04 | karsten | !tell sdubois92 about search |
| 22:34.06 | Shadowcat | sdubois92: WHY do you need the latest version? |
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| 22:34.10 | streuner | sdubois92: you don't want to use unstable |
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| 22:34.12 | karsten | sdubois92: Read the factoid. Search vor kernel versions. |
| 22:34.29 | Shadowcat | I doubt he even needs that kernel |
| 22:34.41 | sdubois92 | 2.4 is kinda old |
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| 22:34.57 | sdubois92 | i should get a newer one anyways |
| 22:34.57 | Shadowcat | again, why do you need that kernel? |
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| 22:34.58 | streuner | Sahdowcat: most users want always the 'latest' - no matter how crappy it is ;-) |
| 22:35.10 | deadcat | wow.. i cant believe i am doing a netboot/netinstall on a qube3 via serial cable. (= |
| 22:35.14 | Shadowcat | streuner: hey I'm running debian experimental here |
| 22:35.18 | slept | against what do i have to file a bug report if a alsa-kernel module causes the system completely to hang ? the kernel itself or alsa-source or sth else ? |
| 22:35.24 | Shadowcat | but I can deal with the segfaults |
| 22:35.35 | karsten | deadcat: Been there, done that. |
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| 22:35.51 | FunkyBob | morning |
| 22:35.53 | streuner | Shadowcat: slap yourself :-) |
| 22:35.57 | Shadowcat | hmm, deadcat, Shadowcat, greycat |
| 22:35.58 | deadcat | karsten: first time for me.. fucking serial cable cost me $15.. will return back to compfucksa |
| 22:35.59 | karsten | deadcat: You can always fire up minicom, run a getty on a serial port, and ascii-transfer uuencoded packages. |
| 22:36.01 | Shadowcat | anymore cats? |
| 22:36.06 | deadcat | Shadowcat: cat fight? |
| 22:36.16 | karsten | deadcat: They're surprisingly useful, actually. |
| 22:36.16 | Shadowcat | not enough cats |
| 22:36.19 | sdubois92 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-kernel-2.6.19.1" |
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| 22:36.34 | deadcat | karsten: ya. but i know i can get that cable for $3 |
| 22:36.35 | karsten | sdubois92: apt-cache search kernel | grep '2\.67\.19' |
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| 22:36.40 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 22:36.46 | Shadowcat | sdubois92 has no clue of what he's doing |
| 22:36.46 | karsten | sdubois92: Erm? 2\.6\.19' |
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| 22:36.54 | Shadowcat | he's running sarge and he wants 2.6.19 |
| 22:36.55 | karsten | deadcat: ... and how much in gas money? |
| 22:36.58 | Shadowcat | that's not gonna happen |
| 22:37.00 | streuner | Shadowcat: check out aba's speech at debconf (helsinki), after that you wouldn't touch experimental at all... |
| 22:37.02 | karsten | Shadowcat: You noticed? |
| 22:37.22 | Shadowcat | streuner: not my fault no one's fixed syncML in debian |
| 22:37.26 | Shadowcat | I might as well do it |
| 22:37.36 | karsten | sdStick with stable for a couple fo weks and learn something before putting yuorself on the bleeding edge. Hell, make that six months. |
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| 22:38.55 | karsten | streuner: Synlopsis? |
| 22:38.59 | FunkyBob | so, I've wound up with an nVidia 6150/430 based board... |
| 22:39.01 | jaimono | hi! |
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| 22:39.13 | FunkyBob | only to discover the debian install can't recognise the NIC or SATA ... :/ |
| 22:39.15 | acemo | ok.. i installed totaly nothing so far, just got a nice black/white bash screen |
| 22:39.16 | acemo | how do i install kde with as little things to install as possible? |
| 22:39.22 | iLLf8d | streuner, are there links to his speech online somewherer? |
| 22:39.26 | karsten | streuner: synopsis, even. Man, ssh lag sucks. |
| 22:39.28 | iLLf8d | somewhere even |
| 22:39.37 | Shadowcat | WTF are you talking about? |
| 22:39.46 | jaimono | now that etch is frozen what will be the next testing name? can I upgrade to it now or should I wait until etch is released? |
| 22:39.52 | FunkyBob | Shadowcat: which part didn't you understand? |
| 22:39.55 | azeem | jaimono: lenny |
| 22:39.57 | sphenxes | i am backing up my home directory but I would like to exclude hidden files. i am using a exlude File (to exclulde directriers)? but how can I exclude hidden one, does .* enough? btw i am using rsync |
| 22:40.01 | azeem | jaimono: it's not there yet |
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| 22:40.07 | Shadowcat | FunkyBob: debian recognizes the nic AND the gpu |
| 22:40.09 | Shadowcat | next! |
| 22:40.14 | streuner | karsten: more worse ;-) |
| 22:40.22 | streuner | iLLf8d: hm |
| 22:40.33 | FunkyBob | Shadowcat: never said GPU... and no, the install CD does NOT recognise the NIC |
| 22:40.44 | FunkyBob | even if I manually "modprobe forcedeth" |
| 22:40.48 | iLLf8d | struener, I found a debconf related site was wondering if its something y ou attended or something you'd watch on streaming vid somewhere |
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| 22:40.50 | FunkyBob | 3.1r4 |
| 22:40.50 | Shadowcat | any other questions? |
| 22:40.53 | FunkyBob | downloaded last night |
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| 22:41.05 | Shadowcat | I said etch, not sarge |
| 22:41.22 | Shadowcat | sarge ships with 2.8.6, which is an ancient kernel |
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| 22:41.28 | FunkyBob | so I've noticed |
| 22:41.32 | Shadowcat | that's obviously not gonna recognize anything released after 2004 |
| 22:41.46 | Shadowcat | but Debian, as in etch, recognizes that chipset just fine |
| 22:41.47 | FunkyBob | it would help if the web site actually mentioned which cutesy-name it was for the download |
| 22:41.55 | karsten | Linux has Hans Reiser. Windows has Rex Farrance: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/10/BAG7SNGB5V59.DTL |
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| 22:42.16 | Shadowcat | otherwise I'd have a hard time running it on that chipset here |
| 22:42.22 | Pc_Dark | How do I install the GNU Libraries |
| 22:42.25 | Pc_Dark | (GLIB) |
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| 22:42.43 | streuner | iLLf8d: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/ |
| 22:42.47 | FunkyBob | Pc_Dark: glib, or glibc? |
| 22:42.47 | Pc_Dark | apt-cache search (.*)?g?lib(.*)? didn't return anything right |
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| 22:42.53 | Pc_Dark | GLIB |
| 22:42.54 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: /msg dpkg search; man aptitude |
| 22:42.57 | Pc_Dark | to install XCHat |
| 22:43.04 | DerJamster | ah..I think those are missing from debian currently.. |
| 22:43.09 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: `why not just install xchat? |
| 22:43.11 | iLLf8d | streuner, thanks! |
| 22:43.14 | DerJamster | I had to grab the source off the net. |
| 22:43.20 | DerJamster | and yeah..why not apt-get install xchat? |
| 22:43.21 | Pc_Dark | there's an apt-get for it, never thought of that =P |
| 22:43.25 | DerJamster | heh :D |
| 22:43.25 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:43.28 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install xchat isn't right |
| 22:43.29 | FunkyBob | Shadowcat: well, great... they appear to have removed all the "testing" net-inst links from the web site |
| 22:43.41 | DerJamster | searching for glib with apt, but isn't searching for xchat.. :) |
| 22:43.41 | dogmeat | how can i combine two primary partitions? e.g. /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 to free up a primary partition http://channels.debian.net/paste/5051 |
| 22:43.42 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: search, ffs |
| 22:43.46 | Pc_Dark | found it |
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| 22:44.03 | Shadowcat | FunkyBob: probably because etch's being released soon |
| 22:44.34 | Shadowcat | and no, it's still there |
| 22:44.35 | FunkyBob | well, that hardly helps me any |
| 22:44.41 | FunkyBob | where? |
| 22:44.45 | acemo | using "apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base", what else do i need to install to install a basic kde? |
| 22:44.45 | acemo | not "apt-get install kde", because that will install kde + alot of programs in kde, wich i rather not have |
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| 22:45.14 | LLcoolM | is it complicated to migrate a system from i386 to amd64? |
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| 22:45.32 | Guerin | acemo: aptitude search kde |
| 22:45.40 | Guerin | LLcoolM: yes. |
| 22:45.42 | LLcoolM | i mean the hardware is going to stay the same |
| 22:45.45 | Shadowcat | more like aptitude install kde |
| 22:45.49 | azeem | LLcoolM: it is not possible |
| 22:45.51 | Guerin | LLcoolM: it involves reinstalling. |
| 22:45.53 | jelly-home | acemo: whast about kdebase then? |
| 22:45.58 | FunkyBob | Shadowcat: on the net-inst page they have stable only... so please, where are you finding the link to etch for net-inst images? |
| 22:46.05 | deadcat | is this a problem? I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 22:46.06 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:46.07 | LLcoolM | grrml, can i chrootinstall the stuff somewhere on the same box? |
| 22:46.12 | Shadowcat | FunkyBob: it's ON that page |
| 22:46.18 | LLcoolM | and then just copy it over? |
| 22:46.24 | Shadowcat | sorry, but I just don't do that |
| 22:46.26 | Guerin | LLcoolM: sure, if you know what you're doing |
| 22:46.29 | Shadowcat | as in on debian.org |
| 22:46.35 | acemo | jelly-home: havent tried that one yet, sounds like the one i need tho, gonna try, tnx :) |
| 22:46.41 | FunkyBob | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ <--- that page? |
| 22:46.46 | Shadowcat | no |
| 22:46.51 | Shadowcat | www.debian.org |
| 22:46.56 | FunkyBob | well, that's the netinst page |
| 22:46.58 | LLcoolM | Guerin: i was thinking about the debian boostrap method (just with debian in debian) |
| 22:47.07 | Guerin | yeh, it can work |
| 22:47.11 | FunkyBob | it's ok... found the link from there, I think |
| 22:47.27 | Guerin | you just need to know what you're doing when you do the switch, with kernels/bootloader/fstab/etc |
| 22:47.28 | jelly-home | acemo: or maybe kde-core |
| 22:47.52 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 22:47.57 | Shadowcat | aptitude install kde gives you the whole thing |
| 22:48.00 | Shadowcat | it's a metapackage |
| 22:48.03 | Guerin | acemo: pick an app you want and install that. Debian will drag in the minimum necessary. |
| 22:48.11 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: he doesn't want everything |
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| 22:49.06 | acemo | shadowcat: if i install complete kde, i can go and delete all the games that it installs |
| 22:49.08 | deadcat | !.ch |
| 22:49.09 | dpkg | .ch is, like, NOT China, .ch is Switzerland. China is .cn |
| 22:49.28 | Guerin | grr, stupid wireless. Guess I'll be trying the m-a method, which is a pain with a custom kernel. |
| 22:49.42 | Shadowcat | acemo: since you seem to not to be familiar with aptitude |
| 22:49.44 | jaimono | I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 and instaled the fglrx driver, also have a KWorld Studio TV Terminator but when I run xawtv or xdtv the display locks and I must restart my computer!!! |
| 22:49.48 | Shadowcat | grab the whole thing and then throw out what you don't need |
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| 22:50.38 | jaimono | with the radeon driver xawtv and xdtv work but I don't have 3D acceleration :'( |
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| 22:50.49 | Shadowcat | why do you need 3D Acceleration? |
| 22:51.04 | jaimono | because I like to play some games |
| 22:51.24 | jaimono | like planeshift |
| 22:51.28 | Shadowcat | well... you might be fucked on that |
| 22:51.33 | Shadowcat | we all know ATI and Linux don't mix |
| 22:51.49 | acemo | shadowcat: i didnt switch over from kubuntu to debian to remove installed things ;) |
| 22:52.09 | Shadowcat | debian isn't kubuntu |
| 22:52.18 | Shadowcat | if you don't want to get your hands dirty with a little system administration |
| 22:52.18 | acemo | i know |
| 22:52.22 | jaimono | I guess I'll have to buy an NVidia card, at least I can deactivate de onboart ATI and install a new card in the PCI-e socket |
| 22:52.24 | Shadowcat | then debian is going to be a very hard experience for you |
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| 22:52.40 | acemo | shadowcat: thats the whole reason i went to debian |
| 22:52.54 | Shadowcat | then stop being a smartass :P |
| 22:52.59 | Shadowcat | we have plenty of those already |
| 22:53.04 | FunkyBob | HAH! |
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| 22:53.07 | FunkyBob | that's rich, Shadowcat |
| 22:53.13 | Shadowcat | well we do :P |
| 22:53.15 | LLcoolM | btw, can i use an amd64 kernel with an i386 userland? |
| 22:53.44 | Shadowcat | I don't see how that would be a problem |
| 22:53.54 | acemo | "apt-get install kde-base" seems to work like how i want it =) |
| 22:53.56 | jaimono | which NVidia card for that PCI-E (or whatever the socket name is) you recommend (I'm asking to all the channel) |
| 22:54.12 | pipeline | LLcoolM: Not only is it possible, if you have more than 4G of RAM, it's advisable. |
| 22:54.17 | Shadowcat | jaimono: #hardware |
| 22:54.18 | deadcat | tuv: you using the debianinstall for your NSLU2 yet? |
| 22:55.43 | darkapostrophe | Is there a way to see a list of packages that dpkg-reconfigure can reconfigure+ |
| 22:55.43 | darkapostrophe | * |
| 22:55.44 | darkapostrophe | ? |
| 22:55.44 | darkapostrophe | Bloody hell, my typing is shit today. |
| 22:55.45 | azeem | darkapostrophe: install configure-debian |
| 22:55.53 | LLcoolM | pipeline: i do not have more than 4G (1G actually) but the thing is i use encrypted partitions and i suspect a huge performance gain in disk access with a 64 bit kernel |
| 22:56.00 | tuv | deadcat, yes. upgraded to 2.6.18 |
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| 22:56.09 | darkapostrophe | azeem: Did it, it's running, now what? It's asking me about which section I want |
| 22:56.23 | pipeline | LLcoolM: I would think that very unlikely. |
| 22:56.23 | plugwash | does debian supply any tools for resizing fat filesystems |
| 22:56.27 | deadcat | tuv: yeep. |
| 22:56.39 | azeem | darkapostrophe: yes, you can browse which package you can reconfigure by section |
| 22:56.40 | pngwn | plugwash, fdisk ? |
| 22:56.47 | darkapostrophe | azeem: Ok, thanks |
| 22:57.08 | plugwash | hmm fdisk does the resizing internally? |
| 22:57.22 | tuv | deadcat, and caused the ixp ethernet driver download to disappear from the upgrade page in the process ;) |
| 22:57.36 | plugwash | i was thinking of an equivilent to resize2fs or ntfsresize but i can't seem to find one |
| 22:57.45 | plugwash | which i find rather surprising |
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| 22:57.54 | darkapostrophe | azeem: Hmm.. grub isn't there. I wanted it to rescan for OSs so it picks up windows on hdb2. |
| 22:58.03 | deadcat | tuv: too slow though. |
| 22:58.35 | tuv | deadcat, haven't noticed any differences. used to use debian for a long time, over openslug kernel though |
| 22:58.44 | LLcoolM | pipeline: how can i compile an amd64 kernel on an amd64 system that is running i386 linux? do i really need to cross-compile? |
| 22:59.00 | Shadowcat | LLcoolM: Yes |
| 22:59.14 | LLcoolM | :( |
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| 22:59.39 | deadcat | tuv: ya. this way you have a debian kernel. |
| 22:59.50 | deadcat | tuv: module-assistance works. |
| 23:00.40 | tuv | where is xnest in gnome menus? |
| 23:00.58 | tuv | found it |
| 23:01.02 | deadcat | tuv: under the debian menu maybe |
| 23:01.17 | pipeline | LLcoolM: You don't compile it. You install it from apt. |
| 23:01.21 | tuv | deadcat, system tools -> new login |
| 23:02.20 | deadcat | LLcoolM: i think you just enable 64 in the config right? |
| 23:02.27 | enouf | plugwash: not usre but see $ apt-cache show mondo .. also note that the Installer has a parted that can copy vfat partitions , erm .. doubt the dosfstools has anything .. could always d/l and run the 30MB gparted livecd |
| 23:02.45 | enouf | s/usre/sure |
| 23:02.45 | deadcat | tuv: my qube3 netinstall is deboostrap'ing right now (= |
| 23:03.08 | LLcoolM | pipeline: well, as having i386 installation i cannot install amd64 kernels with apt |
| 23:03.22 | Guerin | bah, wht am I supposed to do if m-a a-i fails to build the damn module it's supposed to be able to buid? |
| 23:03.33 | pipeline | LLcoolM: That IS a pain in the ass. |
| 23:03.38 | LLcoolM | deadcat: i didnt enable anything yet. but i usually compile kernels myself (as i need to apply patches) |
| 23:03.38 | jaimono | why lenny as the new testing name? are they choosing names from "The Simpsons" now instead of "Toy Story" ? |
| 23:03.40 | pipeline | Guerin: Do it by hand and suffer :P |
| 23:03.41 | deadcat | Guerin: you give up. |
| 23:03.46 | tuv | deadcat, what's qube3? |
| 23:04.04 | pipeline | tuv: It's a blue cube with a slow MIPS chip inside. |
| 23:04.10 | tuv | can i use a different wm in an xnest mession than the current one without problems? |
| 23:04.15 | Guerin | mm, there is a derth of documentation on the Debian Way to install ipw2100 |
| 23:04.17 | tuv | pipeline, got a link? |
| 23:04.20 | enouf | plugwash: just be carfeful when doing this as dos is notorious for f'cken up the MBR/xMBR and lcating things on cylinder boundaries and such .. try not moving the "beginning" of any partition, especially not the Ext'd one |
| 23:04.23 | LLcoolM | pipeline: i know how to cross-compile, thats not the problem, i just wanted to see if i can skip unecessary steps ;) |
| 23:04.24 | Guerin | deArth, even |
| 23:04.37 | pipeline | tuv: I spoke too soon, the '3' is a K6-2, not MIPS. |
| 23:04.42 | deadcat | LLcoolM: ya. i mean to compile a amd64 kernel on i386 machine. you just enaable the amd64 stuff in menuconfig then cmopile right? |
| 23:04.43 | pipeline | tuv: You can google :P |
| 23:04.55 | tuv | pipeline, how did you tell? |
| 23:04.55 | pipeline | LLcoolM: Well, remember, crosstool is your friend. |
| 23:04.58 | Guerin | jaimono: lenny is binoculars |
| 23:05.00 | LLcoolM | deadcat: that will only give me a 32bit kernel |
| 23:05.01 | deadcat | tuv: its a slightly bigger machine than the NSLU2 but much better.. |
| 23:05.18 | deadcat | LLcoolM: dont know. try and let us know |
| 23:05.19 | LLcoolM | yeah, i probably will need to setup crosstool *sniff* |
| 23:05.28 | pipeline | tuv: I wasn't paying attention. The "Qube" 1 and 2 were slow MIPS. |
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| 23:05.40 | mezoko | Hi |
| 23:05.44 | mezoko | How can I have a model load up on boot? |
| 23:05.56 | pipeline | mezoko: add it to /etc/modules |
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| 23:05.57 | blondie | a model? |
| 23:06.00 | enouf | jaimono: /msg dpkg lenny |
| 23:06.08 | deadcat | ya.. qube MIPS are slow. mine is AMD 3D 300mhz.. although i think i can get a 450mhz max cpu in there. |
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| 23:06.38 | Nordin | hello guys |
| 23:06.44 | mezoko | pipeline, thanks |
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| 23:07.06 | Nordin | [A[4~ |
| 23:07.10 | tuv | aren't there any cheap machines with good arm cpu's? |
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| 23:07.20 | pipeline | tuv: The gp2x |
| 23:07.38 | plugwash | tuv, how good is good? |
| 23:07.46 | Nordin | well goodnight dear linux-users |
| 23:08.19 | tuv | plugwash, something comparable to pc's |
| 23:08.34 | FunkyBob | tuv: no |
| 23:09.01 | tuv | FunkyBob, there aren't any cheap ones, or there aren't any at all? |
| 23:09.07 | FunkyBob | plugwash: closest you might find in a multi-core ARM10 or 11 |
| 23:09.08 | deadcat | tuv: i think all ARM chips are slow as fuck |
| 23:09.15 | FunkyBob | tuv: there aren't any comparable to PCs |
| 23:09.35 | FunkyBob | not sure how the abomination that is the Intel XScale fares, though |
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| 23:10.19 | plugwash | what exactly is the xscale and what makes it an abomination? |
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| 23:10.44 | FunkyBob | plugwash: after the sell-off of DEC in pieces, Intel bought enough to get their ARM license |
| 23:10.51 | FunkyBob | this included their "StrongARM" technology |
| 23:11.04 | FunkyBob | then Intel applied THEIR ideals of CPU design to it |
| 23:11.12 | tuv | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
| 23:11.17 | FunkyBob | it suddently had deep pipelines to give it high clocks |
| 23:11.59 | tuv | there are powerful arm's i guess, but not sure about prices |
| 23:12.07 | Shadowcat | wonderful |
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| 23:12.12 | Shadowcat | netburst in a PDA |
| 23:12.13 | FunkyBob | tuv: yeah, am just reading up again on the ARM web site |
| 23:12.19 | FunkyBob | Shadowcat: heh.. almost |
| 23:12.19 | Shadowcat | ya that obviously does wonders for battery life |
| 23:12.21 | theBishop | is it possible to do debbootstrap from a ramdrive on a LiveCD? |
| 23:12.24 | pipeline | tuv: You weren't paying attention. The gp2x is both reasonably affordable and very hackable. http://www.gp2x.com/product/specification.asp?part=02 |
| 23:12.28 | Shadowcat | good thing my PDA runs a samsung chip |
| 23:12.35 | tuv | how can i start using fluxbox in xnest without disturbing my current session's wm? |
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| 23:13.41 | tuv | pipeline, about how much? |
| 23:14.20 | pipeline | tuv: $200ish |
| 23:14.51 | tuv | pipeline, now that's interesting. is it debianizable? |
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| 23:15.53 | pipeline | tuv: err, it runs linux when it's shipped from the factory. I expect debian/arm runs fine on it. |
| 23:16.37 | tuv | pipeline, any big names behind it? first time i hear about it |
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| 23:17.11 | tuv | pipeline, it looks very interesting indeed |
| 23:17.16 | tuv | anyone got one? |
| 23:17.48 | pipeline | tuv: uhhh, gamepark isn't a big enough name for you? |
| 23:17.49 | samo | tux: i've got one ordered at work.. should arive soon |
| 23:17.51 | deadcat | what module do i need to setup minicom on serial cable? |
| 23:17.53 | p0seidon | no |
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| 23:17.56 | cld2 | how does one see the msgs that get displayed during shutdown? |
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| 23:18.05 | pipeline | tuv: The original gamepark was a very successful korean handheld. A sort of neogeo pocket competitor. |
| 23:18.07 | blondie | cld2: with one's eyes? |
| 23:18.15 | cld2 | blondie: headless server |
| 23:18.17 | pickcoder | pipeline: never heard of either |
| 23:18.25 | pickcoder | looks like a neat dev from KR |
| 23:18.28 | blondie | cld2: serial console |
| 23:18.35 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:18.41 | pickcoder | is the company public? |
| 23:18.42 | tuv | pipeline, yeah.. but this one is open technology. very brave step |
| 23:18.49 | cld2 | blondie: thats the only way? nothing like dmesg? |
| 23:18.53 | samo | tuv: apparently it has 2 X ARM chips, but not sure how they will be accessible |
| 23:19.00 | deadcat | so how do i know what driver to load to get serial console to work? |
| 23:19.28 | pickcoder | deadcat: you shouldn't have to load any driver to get serial working |
| 23:19.36 | tuv | is there any community for installing known distributions on it? |
| 23:19.37 | deadcat | pickcoder: oh.. |
| 23:19.39 | acemo | how do i save and exit in VIM? |
| 23:19.48 | deadcat | acemo: :wq |
| 23:19.48 | pipeline | acemo: ZZ |
| 23:19.49 | jjazz | acemo: :wq |
| 23:20.01 | acemo | tnx |
| 23:20.19 | deadcat | tnx is not a vim command |
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| 23:20.53 | tuv | i installed fluxbox and would like to try it in an xnest session without disturbing my running metacity. how do i start it in xnest? |
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| 23:21.05 | mezoko | Hi |
| 23:21.15 | mezoko | How can I make /etc/rc.local start up with the rest of the system |
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| 23:21.35 | karmatronic | mezoko, what you mean |
| 23:21.38 | deadcat | mezoko: you want /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d/rc.local? |
| 23:21.46 | pickcoder | deadcat: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.shtml |
| 23:22.07 | mezoko | deadcat, /etc/rc.local |
| 23:22.21 | deadcat | mezoko: what does /etc/rc.local do? |
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| 23:22.58 | Dr-Linux|home | anyone ever tried Gammu with cell phone? |
| 23:23.09 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, yes 2 days ago ! |
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| 23:23.14 | cld2 | if your / partition is part of a linux software raid, md1 for example. how do you reboot cleanly? is there a script for this? |
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| 23:23.21 | mezoko | deadcat, you can put custom command in to run at boot |
| 23:23.46 | deadcat | mezoko: ya. most people put them in /etc/init.d/rc.local <== even debian has this now |
| 23:23.49 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: with serial cable or USB? |
| 23:23.55 | evilbulgarian | hi, wondering why aide is so slow after upgrade to etch? |
| 23:23.55 | karmatronic | mezoko, custom commands are usually poot in /etc/init.d/bootmic.ssh |
| 23:24.03 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, bluetooth |
| 23:24.08 | mezoko | karmatronic, ahh ok, cool |
| 23:24.23 | karmatronic | s/poot/put |
| 23:24.47 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: aww |
| 23:24.55 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, gammu (and wammu ) |
| 23:25.47 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: actually i'm using Opensource Gammu with my phone, it was just working fine for 3 months. But now system doesn't detect the phone, |
| 23:26.22 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: i'm using it with serial cable as SMS gateway |
| 23:26.32 | jelly-ho | is there some documentation for Xkb and available XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions settings? |
| 23:26.51 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, you mean you can also receive live sms? |
| 23:27.25 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: yes, even i wrote a blog on it |
| 23:27.37 | karsten | jelly-home: Is that basic xlib type stuff? |
| 23:28.03 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, but you get like a popup or a bell when incoming sms ? |
| 23:28.04 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: i changed the phone, i changed the cable but nothing seems to work |
| 23:28.08 | jelly-home | karsten: I don't really know what it is, just that's it's not xmodmap ;-) |
| 23:28.16 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, what phone is it ? |
| 23:28.43 | karsten | jelly-home: OK. |
| 23:28.47 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: Nokia 3310 which is recommended for SMS gateway |
| 23:28.50 | karsten | jelly-home: GIYF |
| 23:29.05 | jelly-home | karsten: those are settings in xorg.conf under Section "InputDevice" driver "keyboard" |
| 23:29.30 | karsten | jelly-home: Sorry. |
| 23:29.30 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: actually gammu grabs the SMS's from the phone and some php scripts show them on the web |
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| 23:30.01 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, ok ok |
| 23:30.08 | jelly-home | karsten: eh, if it were my friend I wouldn't be asking here :-| |
| 23:30.16 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, but having live sms info would be cool |
| 23:30.19 | jelly-home | but #xorg might have something |
| 23:30.42 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: YEH |
| 23:30.43 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, might try to implement a tiny script using python-gammu |
| 23:30.48 | Dr-Linux|home | yeah* |
| 23:31.16 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: what that makes difference? |
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| 23:31.59 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, well just for fun |
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| 23:33.02 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: hhm.. do you know if there is any other opensource command based stable program than gammu? |
| 23:33.24 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: what's wrong with gammu? |
| 23:33.48 | karmatronic | jelly-home, that it doesnt work with his cell |
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| 23:34.02 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: as i said above: |
| 23:34.27 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: actually i'm using Opensource Gammu with my phone, it was just working fine for 3 months. But now system doesn't detect the phone, |
| 23:35.33 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: using serial cable |
| 23:35.34 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: i changed phone with same model, even cable but still doesn't detect, not sure what's the problem |
| 23:35.34 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: hrmm. There's gnokii I guess |
| 23:35.58 | pickcoder | Dr-Linux|home: Nokia is notorious for chipping their cables |
| 23:36.03 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: is that free and command based? |
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| 23:36.26 | pickcoder | have you updated the phone firmware lately? |
| 23:36.48 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: no, i didn't |
| 23:36.59 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: i'm using 3310 |
| 23:37.00 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: it's in debian, look it up. Looks command line based to me. |
| 23:37.10 | pickcoder | does it work on a win or mac setup? |
| 23:37.11 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: i changed everything except the server |
| 23:37.42 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: never tried |
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| 23:38.34 | pickcoder | I wonder if a usb dongle would work better |
| 23:39.23 | Inf3rn0 | I've been trying to get X to work, but as far as I've come, it only makes a weird screen resoultion and shows some streched out error message saying something like "xsession: unable to start '/root/.xsession'" file, terminal emulators found. |
| 23:39.43 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: yes i'm using 6100 with USB cable, but that also have different behaviors, sometime works sometime slow and so |
| 23:39.59 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: sometime break connections |
| 23:40.33 | Dr-Linux|home | pickcoder: i'm not sure if it's all depends on phone, linux or on gammu :S |
| 23:41.25 | cld2 | my root partition is md0 in a linux software raid. when ever I shutdown/reboot I get warning messages about / - md0 still being in use so it comes down unclean. when I power back up again it has to fsck / - is there an init script for shutdown that can fix this? thanks. |
| 23:41.36 | pickcoder | Dr-Linux|home: I dunno. I have had all kinds of connectivity problems with my wifes Nokia flip phone. My Sony Ericsson works fine every time. |
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| 23:42.08 | karmatronic | Dr-Linux|home, doesnt have any idea but myabe you should try those |
| 23:42.11 | karmatronic | deb http://www.cure.nom.fr/debian/sarge ./ |
| 23:42.31 | iLLf8d | anyone know which .config option in the 2.6.19 kernel will give me rfcomm module? |
| 23:42.40 | Dr-Linux|home | ok thanks |
| 23:42.45 | karmatronic | the guy made some modifications on gammu in order to have sms function |
| 23:43.06 | Dr-Linux|home | karmatronic: in which version? |
| 23:43.18 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: there are also specialized GSM devices that can be used as sms gateways. |
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| 23:43.49 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: i know but they are expensive :P |
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| 23:45.06 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: hmm, I think price range for the one we bought was about 100 eur |
| 23:45.21 | jelly-home | Dr-Linux|home: it is more expensive than an oldish 3310, sure |
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| 23:45.53 | Dr-Linux|home | jelly-home: yeah, since i'm from pakistan .. that's alot expensive for me |
| 23:45.55 | plugwash | jelly-home hmm where did you buy this device and do you have a part number |
| 23:46.19 | iLLf8d | nm I got it had to turn on another option so it'd show up |
| 23:46.28 | jelly-home | plugwash: unfortunately I wasn't involved, but can look it up |
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| 23:48.14 | ke5lst-ygg | hello having some problems compiling a kernelsrc its stopping on this tea575x-tuner.o not sure what that is |
| 23:48.15 | mornesan | I'm trying to install debian on my compaq C303NR laptop, and when it wants to "partition disks", it says "No partitionable media were found. Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." Any Ideas? |
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| 23:48.18 | Inf3rn0 | Install a harddrive ;) |
| 23:48.20 | plugwash | mornesan are you trying to install sarge or etch |
| 23:48.21 | jelly-home | plugwash: send me a reminder email at jelly @ iskon.hr, I'll inquire tomorrow at work |
| 23:48.39 | plugwash | and if etch rc1 or daily build? |
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| 23:48.47 | mornesan | I think sarge |
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| 23:49.21 | plugwash | assuming its faily modern hardware i'd suggest trying etch rc1 |
| 23:49.48 | plugwash | sarge's support for modern hardware sucks due to its age |
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| 23:50.47 | mornesan | is etch the latest release? |
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| 23:50.59 | Bogus8 | how do you renew an IP address from a dhcp server? |
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| 23:51.03 | amphi | mornesan: new stable-to-be |
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| 23:51.29 | plugwash | etch is currently testing but looks like it will become the new stable release within the next few months |
| 23:51.38 | plugwash | though its always hard to tell with debian |
| 23:51.56 | karmatronic | mornesan, just get the testing |
| 23:52.00 | McGee | Bogus8, call "dhclient" as root |
| 23:52.12 | mornesan | is there a way to burn the cd image to a dvd-r? I don't have any cd-rs left |
| 23:52.26 | Jimmymaniac-atho | Hi. Quick question: is there a quick and dirty program on etch that i can use to take an email message, and tear it apart into the given attachments? it'd be quite helpful with mutt and those people that send a zillion photos on an email |
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| 23:53.04 | Jimmymaniac-atho | i've been looking, but "email" and "mime" are kinda common keywords for an apt-cache search |
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| 23:54.15 | n0mad | hi. does anyone know about playing/converting wrf (webex) files ? |
| 23:54.52 | jduggan | hi, are the grub docs out of date or is there a different method for debian... im trin to use grubs boot once-only feature, the docs tell me to use grub-set default cmd, but i dont seem to have it in debian, and i cant seem to find anything related with apt-cache search, anyone got any ideas on this? |
| 23:55.05 | Inf3rn0 | I've been trying to get X to work, but as far as I've come, it only makes a weird screen resoultion and shows some streched out error message saying something like "xsession: unable to start '/root/.xsession'" file, terminal emulators found. Any help? |
| 23:55.22 | McGee | Jimmymaniac-atho, man munpack might help.... |
| 23:55.38 | plugwash | jduggan have you tried using the package contents search on packages.debian.org? |
| 23:56.02 | jduggan | plugwash: no i havent, i'll check |
| 23:56.12 | Bogus8 | McGee: thanks.. I think I tried that but that was before I added eth1 in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:56.36 | Bogus8 | I changed nic cards on my laptop |
| 23:56.56 | McGee | Bogus8, /etc/init.d/networking restart will do it, but it might do more that you want... |
| 23:57.17 | jduggan | plugwash: appears to be nothing |
| 23:57.35 | Jimmymaniac-atho | McGee: thanks, on it |
| 23:57.36 | Bogus8 | McGee: yeah, I had tried that too... must have been the fact that eth1 wasn't in the interfaces file |
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| 23:59.43 | McGee | abrotman, Greetings |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | hi |
