| 00:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 650] by debhelper |
| 00:00.05 | Guerin | it should be under 500mb |
| 00:00.09 | Guerin | grrr |
| 00:00.35 | gokee2_ | enouf: m-a says nvidia is already installed... But it does not work... Is there any way to reinstall it? |
| 00:00.47 | enouf | hehe.. good luck with that .. no tasksel next time :-) |
| 00:00.54 | enouf | gokee2_: try m-a a-i |
| 00:01.00 | *** join/#debian row (n=row@plusnet.infidels.br0ke.me.uk) |
| 00:01.07 | *** join/#debian johnyRainbow (n=etch@d222-65.RES.UMontreal.CA) |
| 00:01.10 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 00:01.18 | gokee2_ | enouf: Thats what I tried |
| 00:01.41 | enouf | gokee2_: so you;re having nvidia binary issues |
| 00:01.59 | enouf | seen the various factoids? |
| 00:02.33 | enouf | gokee2_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner .. etc nvidia-drivers |
| 00:02.37 | *** join/#debian napoleao (n=napoleao@85.139.198.62) |
| 00:03.00 | gokee2_ | enouf: I guess... I have been making it work with the kano script that someone here sugested however debian removed the nvidia tls links every time I reboot forcing me to redo the kano script |
| 00:03.30 | enouf | gokee2_: ok .. now I'm lost .. apologies |
| 00:03.40 | gokee2_ | enouf: I talked to dpkg about the one liner when I got here and went through that again. It did not work :( |
| 00:03.51 | gokee2_ | Ok thanks for trying |
| 00:04.08 | Guerin | if you want help with nvidia, the only way you get it in here is by using 100% debian methods |
| 00:04.25 | Guerin | if you use some retarded script from teh intarwebs, you get to whine to someone else |
| 00:04.31 | *** join/#debian samuel (n=samuel@189.134.41.194) |
| 00:04.43 | gokee2_ | Guerin: I did... and come here and was told to use the kano script.... |
| 00:05.06 | enouf | !nvidia-kernel |
| 00:05.07 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 00:05.13 | enouf | hah |
| 00:05.35 | enouf | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 00:05.35 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481E1EC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:05.39 | gokee2_ | heh they never had my kernel anyway |
| 00:05.45 | Guerin | gokee2_: by whom? |
| 00:05.45 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 00:06.19 | plugwash__ | hmm has that changed very recently? i'm sure there was nvidia-kernel packages arround last time i added a nvidia card to an etch machine |
| 00:06.31 | plugwash__ | which was only a few weeks ago |
| 00:06.31 | samuel | is there an enlightenment gtk engine? to make gtk apps look more "enlightened"? |
| 00:06.32 | enouf | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 00:06.32 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 00:06.39 | gokee2_ | Guerin: I forgot it was some time ago... I have been suffering with it since but at least being able to use the xserver |
| 00:06.43 | enouf | plugwash__: some factoids are way old |
| 00:07.03 | *** join/#debian karmatronic (n=karmatro@84.77.152.248) |
| 00:07.10 | Guerin | oh well |
| 00:07.16 | Guerin | i guess my sis gets to use gnome |
| 00:07.44 | enouf | heh.. Guerin .. I overheard you can get KDE to install instead of Gnome |
| 00:07.49 | *** join/#debian mindmime (n=matt@202.10.80.69) |
| 00:07.57 | Guerin | enouf: ECBA |
| 00:08.39 | enouf | Guerin: you have to pass the option tasksel=kde upon boot, and not use the gui interface or somemagoic8ball stuff |
| 00:08.55 | enouf | !ecba |
| 00:09.13 | Guerin | !ecba is Error, Can't Be Arsed |
| 00:09.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:11.12 | *** join/#debian samuel (n=samuel@189.134.41.194) |
| 00:12.20 | gokee2_ | bla I give up... I will try another day |
| 00:13.14 | *** join/#debian rutal` (n=rutal@195.158.181.64) |
| 00:14.41 | *** join/#debian Zero_Kelvin (n=zero@202.134.236.94) |
| 00:15.03 | napoleao | I have added a HP PSC 750 printer do Cupys, it detects the printer, but when I do a print test, is displays cant connect to printer, but it is connected via, usb, anyone know what could be ? |
| 00:15.04 | Zero_Kelvin | Whoops, probably wrong channel. |
| 00:15.06 | *** join/#debian ben1756 (n=erik@c-24-118-202-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 00:15.13 | *** join/#debian [GT]Kane (n=kanechar@CPE001195bc01d4-CM00111ae2c590.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:15.25 | *** join/#debian ampex (n=ampex@titan.ampx.net) |
| 00:15.30 | [GT]Kane | new users to linux would this be the correct one I should be grabbing? |
| 00:15.31 | [GT]Kane | http://debian.yorku.ca/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:15.44 | [GT]Kane | if so for min install do i need anything else or just cd1 |
| 00:16.50 | ampex | ubuntu rules! |
| 00:16.53 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@cpe-24-193-206-168.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:18.04 | krazykit | [GT]Kane: just CD1. if you haven't downloaded yet, you could get the business card CD or the netinstall CD for a smaller download. |
| 00:18.06 | napoleao | ubuntu rules because debian exists :P |
| 00:18.20 | plugwash__ | that depends, tbh you are likely to be better off with etch rc1 especially if you are using modern hardware |
| 00:19.05 | ben1756 | I've got a snafu: installed a minimal set of packages using a sarge netinstall disk and did a dist-upgrade to etch. everything is fine except for the 2.6 kernel that I installed after the upgrade. no hardware is detected when booting to the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:19.17 | plugwash__ | just a little warning, if you do decide to use etch rc1 don't let it add internet sources during the install or you will likely end up having to fix your Xorg install manually |
| 00:19.56 | [GT]Kane | wow ur confusing me... the url provided with it installed at min will i be able connect to the net? |
| 00:20.11 | napoleao | I am using kubuntu now, and it seems very buggy, keeps crashing many times, and I am using a new vaio laptop, I think I will go back to debian 3.1 |
| 00:20.21 | plugwash__ | [GT |
| 00:20.23 | krazykit | [GT]Kane: yes, that should be able to connect to the net. |
| 00:20.26 | ben1756 | If anyone has any ideas for things to try/check I'd like to try them. lspci displays nothing and lsmod shows a minimal set of modules loaded |
| 00:20.34 | *** join/#debian aib (n=aib@pdpc/supporter/basic/aib) |
| 00:20.42 | [GT]Kane | <krazykit> thanks :) |
| 00:20.45 | *** join/#debian x_link (n=sedde@c83-254-151-246.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:20.45 | dooglus | napoleao: I've tried ubuntu a few times but already ended up back running debian sid. it's more stable I find. |
| 00:20.46 | aib | has anyone gone over the tutorial here before? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot |
| 00:21.01 | aib | i'm wondering how large the chroot it creates will be |
| 00:21.11 | debianite | how can i find what package contains libgtk-1.2.so.0 ? |
| 00:21.15 | plugwash__ | [GT]Kane the url you have pointed to is the first CD for the current official stable release but its getting rather long in the tooth and may not install on modern hardware |
| 00:21.16 | sam_uk | i am trying to get realtime, the module build fails with http://pastebin.ca/313646 anyone help? |
| 00:21.31 | plugwash__ | debianite use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 00:22.48 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=SubStack@209-193-50-96-cdsl-rb1.sol.acsalaska.net) |
| 00:22.48 | napoleao | yeah dooglus I think I am going to do that |
| 00:22.48 | plugwash__ | [GT]Kane but yes assuming the installation works and your network adaptor is supported you should be able to get online with it |
| 00:22.49 | dooglus | aib: it's not huge. it depends how much stuff you install inside it, but debootstrap itself doesn't install more than 1GB |
| 00:22.49 | karmatronic | sam_uk, you have to patch kernel first |
| 00:22.49 | aib | dooglus, tx |
| 00:22.49 | karmatronic | and habilitate realtime capabilities there |
| 00:22.49 | *** join/#debian the1_ts (n=paulbm@home.surroundit.org) |
| 00:22.49 | *** join/#debian teledyn_ (n=teledyn@adsl-75-32-149-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:22.57 | [GT]Kane | yes mine works fine with fedora 4 |
| 00:23.01 | [GT]Kane | its i think via |
| 00:23.07 | [GT]Kane | so its pop brand |
| 00:24.39 | *** join/#debian x_link (n=sedde@c83-254-151-246.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:25.10 | *** part/#debian juxed (n=juxed@201-26-4-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 00:25.25 | sam_uk | karmatronic is there a how to you know of? for 64amd? |
| 00:25.51 | *** join/#debian Cyis (n=undrgrid@adsl-074-244-019-229.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:26.23 | *** join/#debian Psy-X (n=Psy-x@nc-69-68-71-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 00:29.41 | *** join/#debian cockroach (n=stefan@213.230.32.176) |
| 00:29.46 | cockroach | hi. i'm trying to use kernel 2.6.19's pata_pcmcia but keep getting "failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x2)". I realize that driver is still experimental, but I was wondering whether anyone was successfully using it... |
| 00:30.31 | debianite | apt-file tells me where a file is in the hd but i need to know what package it is |
| 00:30.41 | karsten | debianite: dpkg -S |
| 00:31.16 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 00:31.53 | *** join/#debian x_link (n=sedde@c83-254-151-246.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:32.28 | debianite | great |
| 00:32.30 | debianite | thanks |
| 00:32.38 | karsten | np |
| 00:33.27 | *** join/#debian teledyn__ (n=teledyn@adsl-75-32-149-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:34.17 | *** join/#debian csy (n=csy@cpc3-harg1-0-0-cust503.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 00:34.45 | *** join/#debian Lukasz (n=lukaszta@CPE00095b0f18fb-CM00111ae346ee.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:34.47 | Lukasz | Hi |
| 00:34.51 | Lukasz | I need help |
| 00:35.04 | krazykit | then ask your question |
| 00:35.25 | Lukasz | I would like to burn debian on 1 cd which is cd-rw and install it |
| 00:35.35 | Lukasz | just one cd |
| 00:35.38 | krazykit | yep |
| 00:35.48 | krazykit | you don't need all the CDs |
| 00:35.54 | Lukasz | wow |
| 00:36.02 | Lukasz | I just need the first cd |
| 00:36.11 | krazykit | or a netinst cd |
| 00:36.11 | Lukasz | am I correct |
| 00:36.12 | Lukasz | ? |
| 00:36.23 | Lukasz | hmm |
| 00:36.25 | jetscreamer | 1st or netinst |
| 00:36.29 | Wyzard | not even that... all you *really* need is the ~50MB netinst CD, if you have an Internet connection available while installing |
| 00:36.34 | jetscreamer | or 2-4 floppies even |
| 00:36.34 | Wyzard | It can download other packages as-needed |
| 00:36.44 | Wyzard | or a bootable USB stick |
| 00:36.53 | Lukasz | I got 5 mb internet connection |
| 00:36.55 | jetscreamer | it's even better because you usually wind up downloading updates |
| 00:37.02 | Lukasz | hmm nice |
| 00:37.06 | jetscreamer | so why install and update when you can install |
| 00:37.11 | jetscreamer | and be updated |
| 00:37.13 | Wyzard | You'd only need the full CD set if you wanted to be able to install any package in Debian *without* need for an Internet connection |
| 00:37.26 | *** join/#debian sng (n=sng@unaffiliated/scarynetworkguy) |
| 00:37.32 | *** part/#debian sng (n=sng@unaffiliated/scarynetworkguy) |
| 00:37.32 | Wyzard | Otherwise, downloading the full CD/DVD set is a waste because most of it is stuff you'll never end up installing anyway |
| 00:37.38 | Lukasz | yes it is |
| 00:38.02 | Lukasz | I know the link to the site but Im not sure what is the link to the net cd |
| 00:38.27 | Lukasz | nevermind |
| 00:38.36 | Lukasz | I found netcd |
| 00:38.40 | *** join/#debian DarkCow (n=DarkCow@81-178-213-114.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 00:38.53 | Lukasz | i heard this is the working distribution |
| 00:38.59 | Lukasz | from kde group |
| 00:39.06 | *** join/#debian ufa (n=ufa@200.140.129.65) |
| 00:39.10 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.205.133.32) |
| 00:39.13 | karsten | Lukasz: The one exceptions to the general rule being: if you've got no or very slow network connectivity from the install envi8ronment. |
| 00:39.38 | Lukasz | i got 5 mb |
| 00:39.41 | Lukasz | 5mb |
| 00:39.49 | Lukasz | cable highspeed |
| 00:39.51 | Lukasz | rogers |
| 00:39.55 | ufa | hwello |
| 00:40.08 | karsten | Lukasz: You're fine then. Dialup or slower, install CDs are useful. |
| 00:40.19 | Lukasz | :) |
| 00:40.23 | *** part/#debian traxx (n=traxx@ipd50ab9f5.speed.planet.nl) |
| 00:40.24 | Lukasz | my router is 100 mbs |
| 00:40.41 | Lukasz | it really doesn't matter how much the router has it even goes beyond 100 |
| 00:40.54 | *** join/#debian holdenSK_ (i=holden@shock.ynet.sk) |
| 00:41.18 | *** part/#debian vinsci (n=vinsci@unaffiliated/vinsci) |
| 00:42.05 | Lukasz | im glad I was able to find that this distrbution works |
| 00:42.06 | Lukasz | :) |
| 00:42.18 | Lukasz | what happend to the other ones |
| 00:42.27 | Lukasz | why arn't most of them working |
| 00:42.43 | krazykit | who knows? |
| 00:42.47 | Lukasz | hmm |
| 00:42.50 | krazykit | they work for everyone else. |
| 00:42.57 | Lukasz | really |
| 00:43.01 | krazykit | really. |
| 00:43.12 | Lukasz | darn that acpi module |
| 00:43.17 | krazykit | exaggerated somewhat, of course. |
| 00:43.36 | Lukasz | is there a way to fix the acpi module |
| 00:43.51 | krazykit | depends. what's "broken" about it? |
| 00:44.08 | Lukasz | well the distro's won't start |
| 00:44.12 | cwheeler | i'm trying to get my joystick to work, does i matter if the sound stuff is compiled into the kernel and the joystick parts are modules? |
| 00:44.13 | Lukasz | most of them crash |
| 00:44.24 | krazykit | cwheeler: no, shouldn't matter. |
| 00:44.30 | karsten | Lukasz: HW? |
| 00:44.37 | krazykit | Lukasz: well, that's about as useful as a windows error. maybe your hardware's bad? |
| 00:44.44 | krazykit | bah, b10. |
| 00:44.44 | Lukasz | hmm |
| 00:44.50 | Lukasz | I have update it |
| 00:44.56 | karsten | Lukasz: ... as in what HW? acpi crashes my thinkpad T30. |
| 00:44.58 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-216-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:45.07 | ofer0 | Does UNIX socket have a port ? |
| 00:45.10 | Lukasz | it won't start |
| 00:45.16 | Lukasz | it freezes on startup |
| 00:45.22 | Lukasz | the entire laptop |
| 00:45.30 | Lukasz | i have to turn it off |
| 00:45.40 | Lukasz | and turn it back on |
| 00:45.55 | *** join/#debian mikespook (i=mikespoo@125.31.224.127) |
| 00:45.55 | plugwash__ | i thought unix domain sockets sat in the filesystem and used a filename as thier address |
| 00:46.02 | Lamperi | aYay |
| 00:46.09 | plugwash__ | its inet and inet6 domain sockets that use ips and ports |
| 00:46.10 | krazykit | !enter > Lukasz |
| 00:46.25 | Lukasz | !enter > Lukasz |
| 00:46.29 | Lukasz | hmm |
| 00:46.30 | Lukasz | ? |
| 00:46.40 | Lukasz | what does that do |
| 00:46.41 | Lukasz | ? |
| 00:46.48 | krazykit | dpkg should've msg'd you about using not using enter as a space |
| 00:47.13 | *** join/#debian t3dk (n=1107@ip70-160-228-135.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 00:47.17 | Lukasz | hmm |
| 00:48.15 | Lukasz | i wonder how to fix this |
| 00:48.25 | krazykit | blacklist the acpi module |
| 00:48.33 | Lukasz | how do I do that |
| 00:48.36 | krazykit | or pass noacpi to the kernel line |
| 00:48.57 | krazykit | instructions for both can be easily found with google. |
| 00:49.02 | Lukasz | ok |
| 00:49.18 | krazykit | the latter should let you boot, at least |
| 00:49.20 | debianite | weird |
| 00:49.30 | debianite | i had my keyboard working in X and not in tty |
| 00:49.34 | krazykit | that is, of course, assuming that acpi is the root of your problems. |
| 00:49.35 | *** join/#debian snowbird (n=Joshua@daphmb01dc1-215-2.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 00:49.39 | debianite | after i did loadkeys in tty it worked |
| 00:49.43 | debianite | but now it's not working in X |
| 00:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 00:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 00:50.40 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 00:50.55 | [GT]Kane | wow |
| 00:50.57 | Lukasz | krazykit could you tell me the command copy and past it here |
| 00:51.00 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@187.84-48-227.nextgentel.com) |
| 00:51.05 | [GT]Kane | installed it and now downloading packages off the web |
| 00:51.10 | [GT]Kane | so must installed it right :) |
| 00:51.27 | krazykit | Lukasz: are you booted into the system now? |
| 00:51.53 | *** join/#debian nn-main (n=knoppix@pool-70-110-218-198.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:51.55 | *** join/#debian jokker_fr (n=jokker_f@ip68-228-57-142.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:52.12 | Lukasz | not yet |
| 00:52.24 | krazykit | then no, no i can't. |
| 00:52.41 | krazykit | if you're using grub, you can add noacpi to the kernel line |
| 00:53.06 | Lukasz | but the installation won't start |
| 00:53.18 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
| 00:53.33 | debianite | how can i fix this error? |
| 00:53.33 | Lukasz | ok i try |
| 00:53.51 | *** join/#debian gimmulf_ (n=gimmulf@217-210-73-205-no47.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 00:53.53 | Lukasz | does netinstall have acpi enabled |
| 00:53.59 | debianite | glxinfo gives me: unable to open display (null) |
| 00:54.07 | krazykit | Lukasz: yes, but you can pass the noacpi kernel option to the installer |
| 00:54.14 | nn-main | what comand do i use to split one stdin string into 2 stdout string ex: " mirroring comand | stream spintting comand (program 1) (program2) |
| 00:54.14 | Lukasz | oki |
| 00:54.32 | [GT]Kane | deblin has packages i can install one them mysql if i go to it will give me versions I can download or just do whatever on its own? cuz I need mysql 5 |
| 00:54.46 | dondelelcaro | [GT]Kane: Debian has mysql 5 already packaged. |
| 00:55.08 | dondelelcaro | !+info mysql-server-5.1 |
| 00:55.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:55.32 | dpkg | Package 'mysql-server-5.1' does not exist. |
| 00:55.58 | [GT]Kane | take that as a no |
| 00:56.25 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 00:56.38 | dondelelcaro | it's packaged for debian; dpkg just doesn't know about it. |
| 00:56.46 | jetscreamer | hey don dpkg was taking like 8 -10 minutes last night to do !info <package> etch |
| 00:56.51 | Guerin | mm, despite installing gnome-kitchen-sink, a stock etch install is still less than a minimal fedora install |
| 00:56.54 | jetscreamer | hth an all dat |
| 00:56.56 | dondelelcaro | ah, right it's in experimental. |
| 00:56.59 | dondelelcaro | !+info mysql-server-5.1 experimental |
| 00:57.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:57.04 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.1.11beta-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 19673 kB, Installed size: 43488 kB |
| 00:57.24 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: yeah, sometimes it has issues unfortunatly... it's one of the reasons why I've got it restarting every 24 hours |
| 00:57.24 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: new machine for dpkg? |
| 00:57.36 | streuner | heh |
| 00:57.39 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: the machine is fine... it's really just the codebase that sucks |
| 00:57.42 | Lukasz | i think this might help |
| 00:57.43 | Lukasz | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/56680-how-suspend-my-debian-etch-laptop-wheres-apm.html |
| 00:57.50 | dondelelcaro | the machine has been running almost continuously for something like 10 years |
| 00:57.53 | debianite | is ati 3d rage pro supported by glxinfo? |
| 00:57.57 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: no, i mean, i think that database updating used to take longer. |
| 00:58.01 | *** join/#debian yungknight (n=js@104.244.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:58.08 | *** join/#debian RickyRayy (n=hum@71-17-162-85.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 00:58.10 | *** join/#debian spuug (n=spuug@adsl-69-182-232-54.adsl.snet.net) |
| 00:58.19 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: oh... I the mirrors it's pulling from don't suck as badly |
| 00:58.27 | sussudio | i see. |
| 00:58.32 | streuner | debianite: as long as you use a 'GLX' supported package... |
| 00:58.34 | stoned | so... sucking is a good thing? |
| 00:58.35 | dondelelcaro | and I think it says "updating packages" even if it doesn't have to |
| 00:58.43 | debianite | glxinfo gives me: unable to open display (null) |
| 00:58.47 | *** join/#debian D0ug (n=Doug@bas2-kingston08-1167934136.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:58.52 | krazykit | debianite: that's a pretty old card, right? it's probably supported by the free ati driver |
| 00:59.01 | debianite | yes, it's old |
| 00:59.12 | debianite | so should i use glx module in xorg.conf or not? |
| 00:59.15 | stoned | trying to see the diff. between sucking badly or sucking good ;) |
| 00:59.28 | *** join/#debian daxxar (n=daxxar@daxxar.com) |
| 00:59.37 | D0ug | Does anyone know of a meathod that I could install MPlayer on my debian system; or any other media player that will play WMA's? |
| 00:59.43 | stoned | !dmm |
| 00:59.44 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 00:59.50 | Guerin | D0ug: mplayer is in etch/sid, not in sarge |
| 01:00.00 | D0ug | crap |
| 01:00.01 | streuner | heh |
| 01:00.02 | Guerin | D0ug: xmms-wma will play wma as well |
| 01:00.03 | stoned | wma files which are copy protected, I don't think will play, however the regular ones will |
| 01:00.05 | Lukasz | how do I edit menu.lst in the kernel |
| 01:00.15 | [GT]Kane | <dondelelcaro> what would be the command exactly I type in ssh for the install and compile all that from ssh forget what they call them |
| 01:00.20 | stoned | I have some I ripped off cd in mediaplayer 10, without any protection, mplayer can play those fine |
| 01:00.22 | Lukasz | once burned |
| 01:00.27 | Guerin | no, nothing will play encrypted wma, since they're not strictly wma, they're an encrypted archive |
| 01:00.37 | Guerin | Lukasz: using an editor |
| 01:00.58 | Guerin | stoned: you ripped files to WMA? |
| 01:00.58 | Lukasz | yeah but when I make it as an iso again the installation brakes down |
| 01:01.06 | D0ug | Guerin, they are only normal WMA's |
| 01:01.14 | Guerin | D0ug: happy days. |
| 01:01.14 | *** join/#debian hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@69.89.195.237) |
| 01:01.20 | stoned | Guerin, that was all I had I was at someones house and I wanted that song and stuff... |
| 01:01.26 | D0ug | Anyway; where do I find XMMS Wma> |
| 01:01.41 | Lukasz | I edit something one time and the installation hasn't started |
| 01:01.56 | karsten | !tell doubleclick about search |
| 01:02.11 | karsten | !tell D0ug about search. |
| 01:02.14 | karsten | doubleclick: nm. |
| 01:02.24 | stoned | well, if you can somehow burn those wma's to cd as audio and then rip as mp3 they shouldn't be copy protected anymore |
| 01:02.49 | *** join/#debian fantomas (i=foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 01:02.55 | yungknight | yea it's called the analog loophole :) |
| 01:02.56 | stoned | I did that one time, for a song... |
| 01:02.59 | krazykit | yeah, but then they sound like crap. |
| 01:03.01 | D0ug | wth? can somone make dpkg speak ENGLISH |
| 01:03.05 | debianite | glxinfo gives me: unable to open display (null) |
| 01:03.06 | D0ug | not gibberish |
| 01:03.10 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 01:03.11 | dpkg | hi, stoned |
| 01:03.12 | debianite | why does this happen? am i missing some package? |
| 01:03.18 | stoned | dpkg what language do you speak? |
| 01:03.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:03.29 | dondelelcaro | [GT]Kane: if you're running etch, just apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:03.32 | D0ug | dpkg... megahal? |
| 01:03.39 | stoned | no |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | !blootbot |
| 01:03.42 | dpkg | hmm... blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 01:03.43 | dondelelcaro | [GT]Kane: if you're not running etch, you'll either need a backport or you'll need to upgrade to etch. |
| 01:04.36 | fantomas | Hello. Sorry for a offtopic. Does afs/Codafs support replication in that sense so when a server goes down data still available from other servers? Can't get clear answer from AFS wiki... |
| 01:05.06 | *** join/#debian rw_fenrir (n=rw_fenri@i219-164-209-2.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp) |
| 01:05.20 | streuner | If that package isn't in debian, you're OT ... |
| 01:05.40 | *** join/#debian broedje (n=sven@p54B13961.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:05.44 | fantomas | streuner: then ok, I take my sorries back :) |
| 01:05.45 | *** part/#debian broedje (n=sven@p54B13961.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:05.53 | Guerin | stoned: afs is in debian |
| 01:05.54 | fantomas | afs definitely in debian |
| 01:05.56 | Guerin | streuner: |
| 01:06.02 | streuner | Guerin: |
| 01:06.07 | stoned | dude |
| 01:06.08 | stoned | ? |
| 01:06.12 | fantomas | :) |
| 01:06.16 | Guerin | but it'll take a badder-ass than me to answer teh question |
| 01:06.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.17 | fantomas | please, help someone |
| 01:06.29 | Guerin | stoned: a pox on your s! |
| 01:06.45 | stoned | o_O |
| 01:06.51 | hollywoodb | :0.0 |
| 01:06.51 | *** join/#debian comsa (n=eddy_ami@katax1-012.dialup.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:07.05 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: yes, AFS has replication |
| 01:07.21 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 01:07.26 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: it's even mentioned in the AFS documentation |
| 01:07.31 | nn-main | what is a comand that can split a stdin stream and pass it to 2 programs |
| 01:07.34 | eldowan | I'm curious about the fglrx-oneliner factoid. I thought the one-liners were setup to basicly copy and paste (for the most part). The nvidia one-liner includes the module-assistant commands to prepare and build the modules needed, but the fglrx-oneliner just says " then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz)". Is this correct, and if not how does one go about getting it corrected to help users in the future? |
| 01:07.41 | tabris|away | nn-main: well, tee is close. |
| 01:07.42 | Guerin | nn-main: tee |
| 01:08.11 | stoned | m-a a-i fglrx ? maybe? I have no clue, I stick to nvidia |
| 01:08.15 | nn-main | thanks |
| 01:08.40 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: it should just be m-a a-i fglrx; or whatever is appropriate... if you could try it out and fix the instructions, that would be useful. |
| 01:08.58 | dondelelcaro | (part of the problem is that a lot of us don't have those cards, and do the support for them blind) |
| 01:09.02 | *** join/#debian amphi_ (n=amphi@user-514fe937.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 01:09.18 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 01:09.20 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I'm currently working on getting it installed on etch 2.6.18, P4, X800. Once I do get the oneliner correct, how would I go about updating the factoid? |
| 01:09.51 | stoned | oooh, I knew I missed something |
| 01:10.24 | streuner | stoned: good music ! :-P |
| 01:10.35 | stoned | dondelelcaro, do you think I should include the factoid correction info piece on the wiki page? |
| 01:10.36 | eldowan | !prize dondelelcaro and others who blindly support user hardware. :D :D |
| 01:10.45 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: you gave me the hope and I've just found this info in documentation! Thanks :) |
| 01:10.51 | stoned | dondelelcaro, ala !dpkgbot |
| 01:11.13 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 01:12.02 | stoned | streuner, thanks! I appreciate the kind words |
| 01:12.11 | stoned | streuner, what did you like about it most? |
| 01:12.13 | streuner | hm, the owner of this is 'stoned' ... |
| 01:12.31 | streuner | stoned: HARD Rock ;-) |
| 01:12.34 | dondelelcaro | stoned: sure |
| 01:12.44 | stoned | streuner, is there a problem ? |
| 01:12.54 | streuner | stoned: heh? |
| 01:12.57 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@pool-71-112-136-94.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 01:13.02 | stoned | stoned is just as easily someone getting rocks thrown on em |
| 01:13.21 | stoned | you know, back in the day :) |
| 01:13.32 | streuner | stoned: Be cool! |
| 01:13.47 | stoned | streuner, I'm the coolest! |
| 01:13.52 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:14.06 | *** part/#debian fantomas (i=foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 01:14.54 | stoned | streuner, which piece are you talking about though? I've recorded many |
| 01:14.55 | debianite | why do i see 5 messages of includes when i startx? |
| 01:15.01 | debianite | messages like: |
| 01:15.21 | streuner | stoned: about music and have fun? ;-) |
| 01:15.23 | Guerin | debianite: why do you care? |
| 01:15.27 | *** join/#debian NaufraGo (i=server@201-221-218-251.bk12-dsl.surnet.cl) |
| 01:15.27 | debianite | xkb_keycodes {include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"}; |
| 01:15.32 | Guerin | debianite: if X works, ignore it and get on with life. |
| 01:15.40 | stoned | streuner, no which specific piece? file.mp3 that you heard etc. |
| 01:15.41 | debianite | works but looks ugly |
| 01:15.47 | Guerin | debianite: close your eyes |
| 01:15.54 | NaufraGo | I've installed samba. how do I import files from win to debian? |
| 01:15.55 | debianite | lol |
| 01:16.00 | debianite | i would like to know what that is |
| 01:16.06 | Guerin | debianite: honestly. Don't obsess. |
| 01:16.42 | eldowan | stoned: m-a a-i fglrx looks as if it executed correctly. the last line shows this: "Setting up fglrx-kernel-2.6.18-3-686 (8.28.8-4+2.6.18-7) ..." Does this look correct for the output of m-a? |
| 01:16.45 | debianite | i have a clean output on the other computer |
| 01:16.45 | stoned | NaufraGo, default samba installation should have a good config file. edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and change your workgroup, and at the bottom of the file somewhere you will see the defualt shares. Just make sure you have setup shares correctly. /home should be shared by default. |
| 01:16.51 | debianite | dunno what's different here |
| 01:17.16 | stoned | NaufraGo, go to windows, type in \\linux ip\share\ and it will ask for a user/pass on that machine |
| 01:17.19 | krazykit | eldowan: yep |
| 01:17.34 | eldowan | krazykit: Wonderful. Thanks |
| 01:17.39 | streuner | stoned: i have some music fo *YOU* ;-) http://216.66.69.246:8070 |
| 01:17.42 | stoned | NaufraGo, or on linux, just get smbclient -L or use smb4k or smbfs etc. |
| 01:17.49 | stoned | streuner, oh.. |
| 01:17.52 | stoned | ok |
| 01:18.21 | stoned | eldowan, seems fine to me. just sudo modprobe fglrx |
| 01:18.33 | stoned | or something and then try to start X after you put that module as your video device |
| 01:19.03 | stoned | once again, I have never owned an ati card :) |
| 01:19.20 | NaufraGo | ok, let's try.. |
| 01:19.34 | stoned | NaufraGo, also #samba |
| 01:19.36 | eldowan | stoned: Of course I still have yet to configure my xorg.conf for the fglrx driver... |
| 01:19.50 | [GT]Kane | ok |
| 01:19.51 | stoned | eldowan, that is what I meant |
| 01:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 641] by debhelper |
| 01:20.04 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:20.04 | *** join/#debian nkuttler_ (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-197-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:20.16 | [GT]Kane | my servers finaly installed it did tons of stuff so im guessing its updated whats the fastest way installed 5.1 in 1 command thanks. |
| 01:20.29 | krazykit | eldowan: i have a sample one from awhile back if you want a reference |
| 01:20.29 | Guerin | how about this: /dev/hda2 has gone 49709 days without being checked, check forced. |
| 01:20.33 | Guerin | that's a loooot of days |
| 01:20.35 | stoned | lol |
| 01:20.38 | stoned | holy shit |
| 01:20.39 | streuner | nkuttler: at this time awake? |
| 01:21.12 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 01:21.18 | [GT]Kane | ? |
| 01:21.21 | [GT]Kane | whats that do |
| 01:21.25 | [GT]Kane | ohh |
| 01:21.26 | stoned | Guerin, that can't be right |
| 01:21.26 | [GT]Kane | the bot |
| 01:21.27 | eldowan | krazykit: sure, I bet that would help. |
| 01:21.29 | streuner | find out |
| 01:21.35 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: that tells you about the section of debian in which lives mysquirrel 5.1 |
| 01:21.36 | stoned | Guerin, can it... it seems like its 100+ years |
| 01:21.38 | lnast | Guerin: wow |
| 01:21.38 | stoned | lol |
| 01:21.42 | *** join/#debian gasbag (n=gasbag@24-181-236-9.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 01:21.42 | krazykit | eldowan: http://thephlogiston.com/misc/xorg.conf |
| 01:21.44 | Guerin | stoned: nope, sure can't be. |
| 01:21.59 | tabris|away | 20:21:46 -!- Irssi: 49709/365 = 136.18904109589 |
| 01:22.02 | tabris|away | so definitely not. |
| 01:22.08 | Guerin | anyone care to figure out what date the last fsck would have been if today's date is January 12 2007? |
| 01:22.09 | [GT]Kane | thats confusing to me so whats that mean I cant install mysql lol |
| 01:22.18 | lnast | Guerin: is /dev/hda2 the bible, by any chance? |
| 01:22.28 | eldowan | hmm... # modprobe fglrx returns this --> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:22.39 | krazykit | eldowan: do that as root |
| 01:22.43 | Guerin | lnast: /dev/hda2 is /home on the box with the possibly-faulty hard drive I'm installing for my sis |
| 01:22.49 | ofer0 | krazykit, he is root |
| 01:22.51 | stoned | depmod |
| 01:22.54 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:22.54 | krazykit | oh, whoops. |
| 01:22.59 | krazykit | didn't see the # |
| 01:23.07 | Guerin | mm, and fsck died with status 1 |
| 01:23.09 | stoned | streuner, I'm there, now where do I click? |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | not pretty |
| 01:23.16 | Guerin | badblocks ahoy |
| 01:23.42 | Guerin | i also struck a really ugly bug in etch console |
| 01:23.48 | streuner | stoned: just run 'mpg321 <URL>' ;-9 |
| 01:23.51 | stoned | "I spill my heart for you"... till the day I die |
| 01:23.52 | stoned | gah |
| 01:23.58 | stoned | :) |
| 01:24.02 | Guerin | drop to init 1, then back to init 2, and you're presented with a login: prompt |
| 01:24.26 | streuner | stoned: they are harder usually... |
| 01:24.27 | Guerin | enter `root' and hit enter and you get a `password' prompt. |
| 01:24.30 | eldowan | Guerin: 136 years ago, plus 69 days. |
| 01:24.33 | stoned | streuner, who is this? |
| 01:24.39 | NaufraGo | stoned, I type smbclient -L localhost and it asks for a password. I don't know what password it is asking for.. |
| 01:24.51 | stoned | your unix password |
| 01:25.00 | Guerin | enter `thisismyrootpass' and hit enter and you get `bash: `thisismyrootpass': command not found |
| 01:25.01 | stoned | NaufraGo, first you have to smbpasswd -a username |
| 01:25.06 | streuner | stoned: "Story of the year" |
| 01:25.08 | eldowan | stoned, depmod wasn't directed at me was it? |
| 01:25.11 | stoned | sorry I forgot to mention that |
| 01:25.15 | stoned | eldowan, yes it was |
| 01:25.16 | *** join/#debian [wz]MaC- (n=mac@e182008044.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:25.27 | NaufraGo | username can be anything? |
| 01:25.31 | stoned | eldowan, once again ati I have no clue man, hang out until an ATI users responds to ya |
| 01:25.32 | stoned | :) |
| 01:25.34 | *** join/#debian ripperD (n=dean@v-209-98-144-153.mn.visi.com) |
| 01:25.35 | streuner | stoned: never heard them before too... |
| 01:25.37 | [GT]Kane | dpkg experimental command |
| 01:25.42 | stoned | NaufraGo, your unix username I think |
| 01:25.49 | stoned | streuner, never |
| 01:25.52 | eldowan | stoned: cool. |
| 01:25.55 | stoned | streuner, its ok, alternative rock |
| 01:26.03 | stoned | haha, thanks bud |
| 01:26.25 | Guerin | anyone on an etch box care to try to replicate that error for me? |
| 01:27.03 | eldowan | Guerin: I'm on etch, and willing. Could you do a quick recap of how I could try to replicate it? |
| 01:27.33 | NaufraGo | I typed smbpass -a .. and then smbclient -L localhost .. and it gives me: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 01:27.33 | Guerin | eldowan: init 1; init 2; enter `root' as login and see if it tries to run your root pass as a command in bash |
| 01:27.37 | eldowan | stoned: I figure it is hard enough supporting HW that you can test with, let alone something you have never used. so toke up friend, toke up. |
| 01:27.38 | stoned | he wants init levels tested |
| 01:27.49 | stoned | eldowan, thanks hehe |
| 01:28.16 | stoned | I think it shouldn't have to do anything with ATI specific at this point though |
| 01:28.28 | stoned | if you get operation not permitted on modprobing a module |
| 01:28.34 | stoned | I think you need to run depmod with something |
| 01:28.36 | stoned | I can't recall |
| 01:28.38 | ben1756 | I'm sorry for asking this again so soon, but I didn't get any responses earlier. I installed a 2.6 kernel the other day via apt that will boot, but with close to no hardware detected. If anyone thinks they might be able to offer some insight I can give some more details. |
| 01:28.42 | stoned | maybe someone else here can shine some more light on it |
| 01:29.28 | stoned | alias install='sudo aptitude install' |
| 01:29.29 | stoned | :) |
| 01:30.04 | [GT]Kane | so what exactly is that for me for mysql 5 lol |
| 01:30.25 | stoned | configure sudo, put that i your .bashrc and just do install blah |
| 01:30.32 | stoned | and blah will be installed after you enter your pass |
| 01:30.33 | [GT]Kane | ok |
| 01:30.44 | stoned | it will hold your password in memory for 15 minutes |
| 01:30.52 | stoned | unless you use it again within that time frame |
| 01:31.15 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: you want 5.0 or 5.1? |
| 01:31.19 | [GT]Kane | debian:~# configure sudo |
| 01:31.19 | [GT]Kane | bash: configure: command not found |
| 01:31.25 | stoned | lol |
| 01:31.26 | eldowan | Guerin: My init 1 automatically changes back to runlevel 2, after which I have no problems logging in as root, no bash error. |
| 01:31.26 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: correction: will 5.0 suffice? |
| 01:31.49 | [GT]Kane | yes 5.0 will do |
| 01:31.54 | debianite | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 01:31.54 | debianite | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 01:31.54 | debianite | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.57 | debianite | what is this due to? |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | eldowan: huh, your init 1 doesn't drop you back into single-user mode? even if you enter the root pass `for maintenance'? |
| 01:32.10 | hollywoodb | stoned: is there any advantage to `aptitude install` vs `apt-get install` ? |
| 01:32.12 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:32.13 | debianite | this happens on another box of mine |
| 01:32.18 | debianite | X doesn't even start |
| 01:32.21 | [GT]Kane | ok ty |
| 01:32.23 | stoned | apt-get install sudo && nano /etc/sudoers |
| 01:32.24 | NaufraGo | Stoned, tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 01:32.25 | Guerin | hollywoodb: /msg dpkg aptitude and read about the bonuses |
| 01:32.40 | eldowan | Guerin: I'm sorry, I hit <ctrl>+D to skip. BRB |
| 01:32.42 | stoned | hollywoodb, yes. Aptitude has much better dependency resolution. Crap is usually properly resolved. |
| 01:32.42 | daxxar | aptitude install is the preffered way to manage packages, hollywoodb. It has support for "auto-pulled" packages (packages installed only as deps), etc. |
| 01:32.46 | Guerin | stoned: visudo |
| 01:32.50 | *** join/#debian [shorty114] (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 01:32.53 | stoned | Guerin, that too |
| 01:33.03 | Guerin | s/too/instead |
| 01:33.19 | Guerin | eldowan: cheers |
| 01:33.25 | stoned | lol |
| 01:33.28 | stoned | that too. |
| 01:33.29 | D0ug | Is there anyone in here who uses Megahal |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | !anyone use megahal? |
| 01:33.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses megahal, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:33.38 | eldowan | Guerin: I was able to get in correctly to the maintenance mode. No bash errors there either. |
| 01:33.48 | D0ug | lol |
| 01:33.53 | Guerin | eldowan: and when you return to init 2 all is well? |
| 01:33.55 | stoned | D0ug, I've used it. It sucks. If you want to run a bot, find a way to run alicebot |
| 01:34.03 | D0ug | stoned, I know |
| 01:34.06 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@201.89.250.93) |
| 01:34.31 | [GT]Kane | what version deblian can i see if im using im going google tut or something cuz this bot sucks he tells me stuff I dont know im total n00b once mysql is installed im fine :P but besides that i screwed |
| 01:34.54 | eldowan | Guerin: I get bash: root: command not found when I enter the username. I don't even get a chance to enter the PW |
| 01:34.58 | *** join/#debian kakarot (n=kakarot@200.Red-83-39-243.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:35.06 | *** join/#debian haqur (n=rip@ip68-98-236-61.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:35.14 | stoned | NaufraGo, permission problems. Make sure the username is added with smbpasswd -a. Then do smbclient -L localhost and enter your password. Don't do it as root. Root is not allowed. |
| 01:35.18 | Guerin | eldowan: but you get dropped at a login prompt in init 2? or not? |
| 01:35.43 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: you're a total noob trying to run a mysql server? Why? |
| 01:35.46 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 01:36.02 | *** join/#debian FauxReal (n=tuckfard@ip68-98-236-61.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:36.09 | D0ug | stoned, do you know of any meathod of using Alice on Linux? |
| 01:36.16 | *** join/#debian kenniux (n=kenniux@200.12.40.166) |
| 01:36.25 | eldowan | Guerin: Yes, I get a login prompt at init 2, but when I enter 'root' as the username, I get the bash error. Weird thing though, I can still successfully login after the error. After the username gives a bash error, it drops me to a # prompt that is actually asking for the password. |
| 01:36.25 | stoned | D0ug, the only way I know how is through eggdrop |
| 01:36.29 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: unless you're running unstable, the process in `simple sid backport' is what you need to do to run mysql 5 |
| 01:36.36 | [GT]Kane | easy cuz mysql easy to use lol |
| 01:36.45 | stoned | [GT]Kane, what do you need mysql for? |
| 01:36.47 | Guerin | eldowan: does it echo your password to the console? |
| 01:36.47 | Wyzard | I think backports.org has mysql5 |
| 01:36.55 | Wyzard | no need to backport it yourself |
| 01:37.05 | Guerin | eldowan: ie: is your root password visible/stored in .bash_history? |
| 01:37.10 | [GT]Kane | for a c++ application. |
| 01:37.12 | NaufraGo | stoned, ok, now it works, but I don't see anything about win.. |
| 01:37.48 | D0ug | stoned, where can I get a copy of Alice that would work through eggdrop? |
| 01:37.58 | stoned | NaufraGo, in windows machine, go to start > run > type in \\linux machine ip\ and it will give a login/pass box enter the info there and it will connect |
| 01:38.11 | stoned | NaufraGo, or smbclient -L windows ip here |
| 01:38.18 | *** join/#debian BabyBee (n=14116530@221.197.8.235) |
| 01:38.32 | stoned | NaufraGo, or aptitude intsall smb4k and just use that or smbfs.. go to #samba for furthur help. |
| 01:38.35 | tonyb2006 | is it..safe..to compile glibc2.5 on debian etch and install it? |
| 01:38.46 | eldowan | Guerin: Nope, the last thing was init 1 |
| 01:38.46 | *** join/#debian cef (n=cef@cefiar.amc.com.au) |
| 01:38.47 | Guerin | tonyb2006: if you have to ask ... no. |
| 01:38.51 | stoned | D0ug, tclscripts.com/org/net I can't remember |
| 01:38.51 | NaufraGo | in #samba no one helps |
| 01:38.58 | NaufraGo | :S |
| 01:39.00 | D0ug | thanks |
| 01:39.10 | Guerin | eldowan: me too, but it did echo mine to the console. At least it's not storing it in cleartext :) |
| 01:39.26 | *** join/#debian tameritoke (n=tamer@196.219.184.95) |
| 01:39.27 | stoned | NaufraGo, smbclient -L windows ip here |
| 01:39.28 | NaufraGo | which suposes to be windows ip? |
| 01:39.31 | stoned | NaufraGo, what does that give you? |
| 01:39.36 | D0ug | stoned, tclscripts.org <<thanks |
| 01:39.37 | stoned | NaufraGo, the ip address of the windows machine |
| 01:39.45 | tameritoke | Hi people. Has anybody of you an idea how to konfigure the x-server on debian? |
| 01:40.07 | NaufraGo | mm, I really don't know about that |
| 01:40.11 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 01:40.15 | stoned | tameritoke, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg|xfree86 whatever you have |
| 01:40.17 | stoned | !drxx |
| 01:40.17 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 01:40.26 | tameritoke | super... thank you! |
| 01:40.28 | NaufraGo | I just know that my local ip is 127.0.0.1 isn't it? |
| 01:40.29 | stoned | !xorgdrxx |
| 01:40.32 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:40.36 | *** join/#debian kamuix (i=kamuix@155.110.94.80.dsl.libello.mc) |
| 01:40.45 | eldowan | Guerin: Hmm. One odd thing I noted was that networking and ssh both failed to start upon returning to init 2. even init 3 didn't start them... weird. |
| 01:41.01 | stoned | NaufraGo, what is the ip of the windows machine? are you on home network, router? it should be 192.168.x.x something |
| 01:41.02 | *** part/#debian tameritoke (n=tamer@196.219.184.95) |
| 01:41.17 | NaufraGo | home network |
| 01:41.19 | Guerin | eldowan: hm, ok. So an init rather than a login fuckup, perhaps. |
| 01:42.05 | cef | is there a way to reset or disable the network interface naming reservations? I'm sick of a pcmcia network card constantly coming up as eth3. especially as the driver gets confused about having it's interface renamed. |
| 01:42.09 | stoned | NaufraGo, go to the windows machine and start > run > cmd, then in command line type ipconfig /all it will tell you your ip address for windows machine. type that in smbclient -L in linux |
| 01:42.42 | NaufraGo | mm, that means I have to reboot my machine? |
| 01:42.50 | stoned | NaufraGo, you have a dual boot setup? |
| 01:43.09 | stoned | dude what the FUCK are you trying to do with samba? I'm confused myself now, I can't help you if I don't understand you entire situation. |
| 01:43.30 | stoned | NaufraGo, what are you trying to accomplish, and how are you trying to do it? |
| 01:43.40 | NaufraGo | mm, I don't think so.. when I want to go to windows, I always restart my machine |
| 01:44.08 | stoned | NaufraGo, so you want to ro mount your ntfs drive to access your files from windows drive? |
| 01:44.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:44.20 | stoned | NaufraGo, you want to access your windows files from the hdd in linux while booted under linux? |
| 01:44.23 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 01:44.28 | cef | NaufraGo: so you have one machine with windows and debian on it? not two different machines? |
| 01:44.36 | NaufraGo | exactly stoned |
| 01:44.42 | stoned | !ntfs |
| 01:44.43 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 01:44.47 | NaufraGo | not different machines |
| 01:44.57 | eldowan | Guerin: I remember now that the /etc/init.d/rc ended unexpectadly each time I issued init 1 or init 2 |
| 01:45.09 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 01:45.26 | [GT]Kane | apparently |
| 01:45.31 | [GT]Kane | im using something called surge |
| 01:45.33 | [GT]Kane | lol |
| 01:45.34 | stoned | NaufraGo, consult the following resources |
| 01:45.38 | delire | anyone here know a fast way of determining whether a bash instance is already an added ssh-agent? |
| 01:45.45 | eldowan | Guerin: Does that make any sense? |
| 01:46.03 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 01:46.08 | stoned | NaufraGo, just out of curiosity, why did you install samba? |
| 01:46.28 | cef | Is there a way to reset or disable the network interface naming reservations? I'm sick of a pcmcia network card constantly coming up as eth3. Especially as the driver gets confused about having it's interface renamed (cisco aironet). I'm guessing it's being done by udev. Any ideas? |
| 01:46.42 | *** join/#debian huhlig (n=UhligH@117.sub-75-211-153.myvzw.com) |
| 01:47.10 | NaufraGo | I read samba shares files and printer servers with windows, doesn't it? |
| 01:47.26 | cef | NaufraGo: only for networks of PC's |
| 01:47.29 | predder | I've got a very weird situation with my server at home, it has dual gigabit nics. During install I was asked which one I wanted to be primary (eth0). ifconfig -a shows them as eth0 and eth2 respectively with different mac addresses. |
| 01:47.30 | Guerin | eldowan: yes, sort of. |
| 01:47.34 | predder | I configured one of them as static 192.168.1.129, the other I configured as dhcp then in my router told it to map the mac to 192.168.1.101. If I plug into one port, nothing happens, lights come on but no network address, if I plug into the other port I get the 192.168.1.129 AND the dhcp assigned 192.168.1.101, the machine responds to requests on both? I'm thoroughly confused.. any ideas? |
| 01:48.21 | *** join/#debian Jackie (n=benkude@219.246.177.10) |
| 01:48.24 | eldowan | Guerin: I have a fresh etch install, and should be here the next 2 hr 15 min to see if I can help you track it down. |
| 01:48.44 | cef | predder: having them both in the same network range is probably not going to help. |
| 01:48.46 | *** part/#debian Jackie (n=benkude@219.246.177.10) |
| 01:48.49 | Guerin | mm, i'll probably be gone by then |
| 01:48.55 | *** join/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@mac71-1-82-242-194-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:48.59 | Guerin | i have a fresh one here but badblocks is currently running on it |
| 01:49.18 | Guerin | but, sanity check time: you should be able to come back from init 1 to another runlevel without grief, no? |
| 01:49.24 | *** join/#debian Avenger_ (n=diego@r71-pw-jau.ibys.com.br) |
| 01:50.03 | cef | Guerin: what's the problem? I have a recently installed etch box here |
| 01:50.05 | eldowan | Standard TV displays usually only have 480 lines of resolution, correct? |
| 01:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 01:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 01:50.36 | cef | eldowan: depends on whether it's PAL or NTSC |
| 01:50.44 | *** join/#debian Dr-Linux|home (n=Dreamer@DSL-202-59-73-131.nexlinx.net.pk) |
| 01:50.58 | eldowan | cef, correct you are. NTSC. PAL is like 540, right? |
| 01:51.19 | cef | eldowan: something like that afair.. been a while since i played with tv stuff |
| 01:51.21 | *** join/#debian weggpod (n=weggpod@ivr94-7-82-245-252-174.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:51.28 | Guerin | cef: coming back from init 1. I'll key up the how-to. |
| 01:51.49 | darkyo | eldowan: think PAL uses a 720 by 576 |
| 01:51.52 | cef | Guerin: you've got the fs mounted rw? |
| 01:51.54 | ripperD | eldowan: NTSC is 720x480, however the pxels are rectangular |
| 01:52.15 | ripperD | so when put on a square pixeled display it needs to be resized to 640x480 |
| 01:52.45 | *** join/#debian AI_coder (n=AI@ip-209-124-242-76.dynamic.eatel.net) |
| 01:54.21 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.28 | eldowan | ripperD: Thanks, that is what I thought. |
| 01:54.45 | AI_coder | i need some insane cflags |
| 01:54.49 | AI_coder | any examples? |
| 01:55.03 | eldowan | stoned, good genre. What is it you can't take any more? |
| 01:55.08 | *** join/#debian JJ|Laptop (n=joeyjone@S010600179a9e114b.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 01:55.20 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@host163-169.pool8250.interbusiness.it) |
| 01:55.24 | krazykit | AI_coder: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-309752.html |
| 01:55.29 | jelly-home | AI_coder: you might want #gentoo for that :-) |
| 01:55.48 | cef | How do you reset or disable the network interface naming reservations done by udev? I'm sick of a pcmcia network card constantly coming up as eth3. Especially as the driver gets confused about having it's interface renamed (cisco aironet). I'm guessing it's being done by udev. Any ideas? |
| 01:55.49 | stoned | eldowan, Suburban teenager "I feel, I don't care, you took it away..." alternative rock stuff |
| 01:56.09 | stoned | eldowan, grown men can't listen to this really, or shouldn't |
| 01:56.10 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:56.10 | [GT]Kane | i did all the stuff at http://backports.org cut apprently i have sarge mysql 5.0 not for sarge lol so anyways now i have this all how i go and find package for sql |
| 01:56.19 | Guerin | hm, an older etch install (sysvinit 2.86.ds1-15) seems unaffected - the current is -36. |
| 01:56.29 | Guerin | i also wonder if it's worth using telinit instead |
| 01:56.34 | eldowan | stoned: I generally try to keep away from *anything* suburban. |
| 01:57.06 | t3dk | how can i tell when is the first time i installed debian? |
| 01:57.13 | t3dk | i mean the installed date |
| 01:57.15 | stoned | eldowan, its good music, for who likes it, I can't dig it |
| 01:57.20 | eldowan | stoned: sample anywhere? |
| 01:57.41 | stoned | eldowan, of ...? |
| 01:57.49 | eldowan | stoned: You are one of the few I have met that can understand the difference between good music, and good music that you don't like. :D |
| 01:57.59 | eldowan | stoned: suburban teenager "..." |
| 01:57.59 | ofer0 | t3dk, good question. let me think for a momeny |
| 01:58.01 | ofer0 | t3dk, good question. let me think for a moment |
| 01:58.24 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.178.114.74) |
| 01:58.41 | stoned | eldowan, http://216.66.69.246:8070 |
| 01:59.07 | t3dk | i wanna know how long i've been using debian |
| 01:59.12 | *** join/#debian slummer (n=bxbxb@cpe-65-25-141-169.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 01:59.15 | stoned | lol |
| 01:59.23 | stoned | thats great |
| 02:00.19 | *** join/#debian Nameeater (i=dean@priss.segfault.nl) |
| 02:00.24 | Guerin | cef: http://feayn.org/~lewis/init.txt |
| 02:00.40 | [GT]Kane | i did all the stuff at http://backports.org cut apprently i have sarge mysql 5.0 not for sarge lol so anyways now i have this all how i go and find package for sql |
| 02:01.24 | ofer0 | [GT]Kane means he wants to install mysql 5 on sarge. |
| 02:01.40 | t3dk | seriously, is there anyway ? |
| 02:01.41 | cef | Guerin: waiting for the box to boot. :* |
| 02:02.00 | Guerin | t3dk: not reliably |
| 02:02.02 | eldowan | stoned: I'm having streaming problems. Ohwell. |
| 02:02.15 | stoned | wget? |
| 02:02.35 | Guerin | t3dk: look in /root/ for an install report or something. It might be datestamped. |
| 02:02.45 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@203-173-40-74.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:02.51 | eldowan | the aspx? the url you gave took me to an information page with a link to www.1.fm |
| 02:02.58 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (n=mike@c-68-46-30-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:03.08 | stoned | eldowan, no, the notice I sent |
| 02:03.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:03.26 | t3dk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 173 2006-04-08 00:47 dbootstrap_settings |
| 02:03.31 | Guerin | eldowan: ooh, really? |
| 02:03.34 | cef | Guerin: I got an r appended to my password, but yes, same behaviour here |
| 02:03.36 | stoned | I have a woody... |
| 02:03.37 | stoned | box. |
| 02:03.38 | stoned | :D |
| 02:03.40 | Guerin | t3dk: does that sound about right? |
| 02:03.42 | [GT]Kane | anyone know how install mysql 5 on sarge i did everything at http://backports.org/ but whats the command to install a package now. |
| 02:03.54 | Guerin | cef: ok, that ain't pretty. Can you try the same with telinit instead of init? |
| 02:03.57 | stoned | !tell [GT]Kane about package basics |
| 02:04.08 | cef | Guerin: ahh ok.. I found out why! |
| 02:04.12 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 02:04.13 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 02:04.22 | cef | Guerin: the old shell from the recovery console didn't die! |
| 02:04.26 | eldowan | stoned: Ahh, downloading it right now. |
| 02:04.44 | Guerin | cef: ok, thought it might be something like that. |
| 02:04.46 | eldowan | woody gone: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070110 |
| 02:04.54 | eldowan | as of yesterday |
| 02:05.04 | gcbirzan | Thank you for the day old news. :-P |
| 02:05.11 | cef | Guerin: yeah.. typing exit a few times at whatever prompt you get gets it back the way it should be |
| 02:05.13 | gcbirzan | Two days old, here. :-P |
| 02:05.15 | *** join/#debian rvalles_ (n=lodoss@80.28.117.3) |
| 02:05.28 | eldowan | stoned: Just hoping that a debian box will never be my only woody. |
| 02:05.36 | stoned | lol |
| 02:05.46 | eldowan | Epitaph, Death metal type, yes? |
| 02:05.53 | [GT]Kane | i have dpkg on ignore! |
| 02:05.55 | stoned | eh. |
| 02:06.02 | Guerin | cef: ok. Thanks. I'll file against sysvinit. |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | [GT]Kane: you lose. |
| 02:06.12 | cef | Guerin: and yes, telinit does the same |
| 02:06.21 | stoned | eldowan, its classified as that, but if you take away the vocals its just a brilliant instrumental album |
| 02:06.25 | Guerin | cef: nice. |
| 02:06.39 | *** join/#debian aitherios (n=aitherio@200.175.191.120.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 02:06.48 | stoned | eldowan, philosophical poetry, not goat and virgin sacrifices to the horned god or some such crap |
| 02:07.07 | cef | Guerin: also I get after "init 1" "error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow. |
| 02:07.07 | eldowan | stoned: indeed. it reminds me a little of some early metallica, with mabye some Iron Maiden?? of course stylized differently. |
| 02:07.23 | eldowan | Guerin: cef: Thats the one I get too |
| 02:07.39 | stoned | eldowan, its a one man show. Muhammad Suicmez, who I had the honor of meeting, is he mastermind. Everything from each instrument to recording and producing. One man. |
| 02:07.39 | eldowan | stoned: No Cannable Corpse, or Cradle of Filth for you either then? |
| 02:07.45 | stoned | eldowan, nah |
| 02:07.50 | stoned | CC maybe |
| 02:08.12 | Guerin | yeh, cool |
| 02:08.14 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 02:08.15 | eldowan | stoned: Oh. Now I have a new appreciation for Epitaph. I do love the one man band. |
| 02:08.20 | *** part/#debian [GT]Kane (n=kanechar@CPE001195bc01d4-CM00111ae2c590.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:08.29 | cef | Guerin: btw: "init 1" then hitting ctrl-D at the password prompt sends things back to init level 2 fine (no password weirdness) |
| 02:08.33 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 02:09.27 | stoned | eldowan, the wrapped in conventional yet unorthodox music theory and his technique is immaculate and he sounds so clean on each instrument and its there are 4 guitars harmonized in each song. It is very very intelligent music, and might take a few sittings. |
| 02:09.28 | *** join/#debian emre (i=emre@149.135.16.155) |
| 02:09.32 | eldowan | Guerin: cef: This is the same for my machine too. |
| 02:09.33 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@203.177.138.178) |
| 02:10.01 | stoned | eldowan, excuse my grammar and sentence structure, I was holding a hit :) |
| 02:10.05 | eldowan | stoned: That is 4 guitars? four? |
| 02:10.11 | stoned | yup |
| 02:10.21 | eldowan | ahh, the wait until I can get home and do the same. |
| 02:10.24 | emre | ok i have windows xp pro on my laptop and linux on my desktop debian! and i have linksys sd205 but i cant get a connetion on my linux box and windows ic an |
| 02:10.32 | stoned | eldowan, you listening to it? |
| 02:10.45 | emre | well when i get connection on my linux box i cant get it on my windows box |
| 02:10.50 | emre | help anyone ? |
| 02:10.52 | eldowan | Indeed. The music is indeed wonderful. |
| 02:11.03 | jello | emre: do you have a router set up? |
| 02:11.06 | eldowan | emre: wireless, ethernet? |
| 02:11.12 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 02:11.17 | cef | so, does anyone have an idea on how udev keeps persistent network card names, and how I can either reset the thing or disable that functionality? |
| 02:11.18 | jello | emre: what is the linksys sd205? |
| 02:11.33 | jello | cef: i don't think it's udev that does that... |
| 02:11.38 | stoned | cef, time to read the udev documentation... google perhaps? |
| 02:11.45 | *** join/#debian teledyn_ (n=teledyn@adsl-75-32-149-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:11.49 | emre | jello ? what do u mean ? |
| 02:11.54 | eldowan | cef: I want to remember that there was a way to force a name to stick with a NIC, but I don't remember where. |
| 02:12.12 | emre | jello 5 port 10/100 switch |
| 02:12.16 | eldowan | emre: is it a wireless router with integrated switch? mabye just a 5 port switch? or a VPN gateway? |
| 02:12.26 | emre | yes 5 port |
| 02:12.29 | cef | jello: well, I know ifrename isn't there, so it's not being done by that |
| 02:12.43 | stoned | eldowan, heard the guitar solo yet, arond 2:00 |
| 02:12.51 | stoned | hehe, /me melts |
| 02:12.55 | cef | stoned: yeah, looking but not found anything.. It's looking like something specific to debian |
| 02:12.56 | jello | emre: does it do dhcp? |
| 02:13.06 | emre | jello yes |
| 02:13.21 | eldowan | stoned: I'm right there with you. it is an amazing song. :D |
| 02:13.26 | jello | emre: so, you're using dhcp with linux and it works, but not with winxp?? |
| 02:13.36 | stoned | eldowan, hehe, you want more? |
| 02:13.57 | eldowan | emre: do the lights work at the nic of the debian box when you can't connect? the green and red/orange light? |
| 02:14.01 | eldowan | stoned: Oh yeah! |
| 02:14.08 | emre | jello it works with both but only one of them work i cant use them at the same time |
| 02:14.17 | emre | umm |
| 02:14.24 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE000e0c057fad-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:14.32 | *** join/#debian eps (n=eps@220-253-91-30.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 02:14.35 | jello | emre: sounds like it can't hand out more than one IP addr via dhcp |
| 02:14.40 | emre | eldowan i dont have a red/orange light? |
| 02:14.42 | jello | emre: should be fixable in the router config... |
| 02:14.43 | eldowan | stoned: I'm on my way to archiving a massave music collection of everything from bigband and swing, to old classical, to classic rock, country and all. |
| 02:14.43 | *** part/#debian eps (n=eps@220-253-91-30.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 02:14.45 | emre | jello no |
| 02:14.48 | Cyis | eldowan: you mean like getting a Linksys WRT54GL or WRTSL54GS and putting OpenWRT on it? |
| 02:14.54 | jello | emre: no what? |
| 02:14.55 | emre | jello i done it before |
| 02:15.13 | eldowan | Cyis: I don't understand. What post of mine are you looking at? |
| 02:15.15 | emre | jello but that was like 2 months ago |
| 02:15.18 | jello | emre: done what? please be specific... |
| 02:15.38 | emre | well ill just turn both pc's on and i have a connection |
| 02:15.46 | emre | with the same ip |
| 02:15.49 | stoned | eldowan, let me know when you play it |
| 02:15.56 | Cyis | eldowan: your response to emre about a wireless router with integrated switch |
| 02:16.10 | emre | lol |
| 02:16.14 | stoned | DD-WRT is the best for me |
| 02:16.14 | emre | not wireless |
| 02:16.21 | emre | its 5 port |
| 02:16.21 | stoned | check that out if ya'll are talking about that stuff |
| 02:16.33 | Cyis | I'm running through a wrtsl54gs running OpenWRT right now |
| 02:16.49 | *** join/#debian kupesoft (n=kupesoft@CPE004010100002-CM0013718cb08a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:17.05 | kupesoft | Where do I set my system's default umask? |
| 02:17.06 | jello | emre: that's bad, they should receive different IPs from dhcp |
| 02:17.20 | eldowan | Cyis: I didn't know the type of HW his model was, and was giving examples. But I do intend on trying OpenWRT in the future though. :F |
| 02:17.22 | Cyis | I like this model vs the wrt54gs because the wifi card is actually seen by the SOC as seperate device from the switch |
| 02:17.34 | emre | well ? |
| 02:17.35 | Cyis | this one also has a USB port |
| 02:17.54 | eldowan | stoned: starting in about 10 sec |
| 02:17.55 | *** join/#debian Fieldy (i=sgtphou@gentoo/contributor/Fieldy) |
| 02:18.28 | gcbirzan | /quote nickserv help |
| 02:18.29 | eldowan | stoned: Lovely guitar intro |
| 02:18.36 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@203.177.138.178) |
| 02:18.37 | stoned | bass |
| 02:18.42 | stoned | but yeah, still a gutiar |
| 02:18.43 | stoned | heh |
| 02:19.19 | *** join/#debian flashnet (i=flashnet@166.15.185.213.dk-hvi.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) |
| 02:19.22 | Cyis | only thing I don't like about it is the antenna is fixed and not replaceable ... good thing is it's a 18-23dBm |
| 02:19.40 | eldowan | gcbirzan: Thanks :D |
| 02:19.52 | *** join/#debian adlpaf (n=adlpaf@190.37.189.150) |
| 02:19.54 | cureless | kupesoft: maybe /etc/profile |
| 02:19.56 | eldowan | stoned: Are you familiar with Pink Floyd: Wish you were here? |
| 02:20.17 | stoned | yes |
| 02:20.19 | stoned | who isn't? |
| 02:20.23 | stoned | solo time |
| 02:20.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:20.35 | eldowan | stoned: Just at 2:00 again... :D |
| 02:20.38 | cef | aha.. found it! was hidden in /etc/udev/rules.d in an automatically created file.. seems to add every new card plugged in to that list. I can see that becoming quite annoying if there isn't a tool to easily manage those entries (of course there is a text editor I guess) |
| 02:21.17 | kupesoft | What's the best way to set up a system where users have no access to others files but share a common web server? |
| 02:21.19 | eldowan | cef: doesn't udev re-create that file on boot? |
| 02:21.27 | eldowan | stoned: check your PM |
| 02:21.37 | cef | eldowan: nope.. persistent across reboots |
| 02:21.38 | jello | cef: no |
| 02:21.45 | jello | cef: sorry |
| 02:22.02 | eldowan | ah, I guess I'm getting it confused with something else then. |
| 02:22.56 | *** join/#debian deadcat (n=deadcat@c-67-166-128-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:23.22 | cef | eldowan: the problem is that I installed etch to the h/drive when it was in different hardware |
| 02:26.04 | cef | ok.. now all I have to do is figure out why wpasupplicant isn't working *sigh* |
| 02:26.17 | *** part/#debian ripperD (n=dean@v-209-98-144-153.mn.visi.com) |
| 02:26.22 | *** join/#debian Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166.70.210.102) |
| 02:27.58 | Guerin | aargh, a hate on wireless things |
| 02:30.57 | jello | so, anyone have recommendations for non-graphic-intensive games? |
| 02:31.35 | jello | hmm, ksudoku - sudoku puzzle generator/solver |
| 02:31.51 | kupesoft | how do I build a proper chroot'd environment for a new user? |
| 02:32.10 | jello | kupesoft: what are you trying to do? what will the user need? |
| 02:32.34 | kupesoft | jello: make a web server that has different users with ssh/sftp access |
| 02:32.41 | eldowan | jello: bomberman!! or mabye open Doom or Heretic? |
| 02:32.43 | kupesoft | jello: that *do not* have access to others files |
| 02:32.58 | kupesoft | jello: kill time with helping me ;/ |
| 02:33.48 | jello | kupesoft: apt-get install rssh |
| 02:34.11 | *** join/#debian elkid (n=elkid@unaffiliated/elkid) |
| 02:34.23 | kupesoft | jello: what about the problem of users getting at other users files by using the apache-php permissions? |
| 02:34.38 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (n=coldfyre@67.170.237.92) |
| 02:34.50 | *** join/#debian Jackie (n=benkude@219.246.177.10) |
| 02:34.54 | *** join/#debian Avochelm (n=damien@gw-morphett.koalatelecom.com.au) |
| 02:35.00 | *** join/#debian wwallace (n=wwallace@c-68-39-70-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:35.03 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/19902 |
| 02:35.13 | wwallace | thank you in advance for your help |
| 02:35.14 | jello | sudo apt-get install bomberclone |
| 02:35.20 | jello | opps, EWIN |
| 02:35.49 | *** join/#debian user01 (n=user01@c-71-205-137-133.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:35.52 | jello | kupesoft: umask should handle that... |
| 02:35.55 | eldowan | jello: That has to be one of my favorite games. Host a game and I'll try to play you... |
| 02:35.57 | jello | kupesoft: or use per-user groups |
| 02:36.01 | *** part/#debian FuelB (n=User@b122b.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 02:36.06 | jello | eldowan: let me learn it first... |
| 02:36.26 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/19902 |
| 02:36.38 | *** join/#debian MKR (n=mkr@75.117.38.194) |
| 02:36.39 | jello | !tell wwallace about repeaat |
| 02:36.42 | jello | !tell wwallace about repeat |
| 02:36.46 | *** join/#debian Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166.70.210.102) |
| 02:37.17 | jello | wwallace: /usr/loca?? /usr/local perhaps... |
| 02:37.24 | eldowan | jello: I'm actually not very good. I've only played a few games. |
| 02:37.29 | wwallace | jello, |
| 02:37.30 | wwallace | thanks |
| 02:37.35 | *** join/#debian yungknight (n=yung@104.244.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 02:37.42 | jello | np |
| 02:38.10 | wwallace | jello, thas the result i get after running "megamario" |
| 02:38.17 | wwallace | how di change that? |
| 02:38.17 | user01 | what does it mean when video from a dvd for example will play on the lcd screen on my thinkpad but when i attach a monitor the dvd window is just black? |
| 02:38.34 | kupesoft | jello: If users have access to the shell with the same user/group as the apache daemon via the apache-php module, can't user's see anything the httpd can see AND if so, won't this system ALWAYS allow for users to see others users files that are set up to be viewable by the web server? |
| 02:38.52 | jello | user01: that you didn't redirect your video to the external monitor |
| 02:39.06 | kupesoft | How do *web hosting companies* get around this? |
| 02:39.22 | Guerin | kupesoft: yes, but why on god's green earth would you give a user the same UID as a daemon? |
| 02:39.24 | jello | kupesoft: um, if it's on the web than anyone can see it by definition, no? |
| 02:39.59 | kupesoft | Guerin: the same UID as the 'nobody' user, not the parent process run as 'root' |
| 02:40.04 | user01 | jello: hmmm ok...but i can see the gnome desktop, just the video window isnt there...or like with visualizer on a media player it doesnt go to the monitor |
| 02:40.10 | kupesoft | Guerin: or 'www-data' under debian |
| 02:40.19 | jello | user01: ah |
| 02:40.34 | kupesoft | jello: What if it's in a directory that's locked by apache, or what if it's a PHP file with database passwords in it similar |
| 02:40.35 | jello | user01: no idea then |
| 02:40.46 | Miesco | I am using Samba to print to a windows printer and when I use firefox to print, its way too big for the page, the page only shows like 25% of what should be on the page, I am wondering if anyone would be able to help me fix this please |
| 02:40.49 | Guerin | kupesoft: yes. Why would any user have `www-data' privileges (other than root)? |
| 02:40.59 | kupesoft | Guerin: because of apache-php! |
| 02:41.07 | user01 | jello: is there a linux thinkpad support group? |
| 02:41.11 | Guerin | kupesoft: that don't explain nothing. |
| 02:41.21 | jello | user01: thinkwiki.org |
| 02:41.25 | eldowan | user01: Try dis/enabling HW acceleration of the graphics card. I've had luck on some with it off, some with it on. |
| 02:41.26 | kupesoft | Guerin: php can run commands at the shell using exec() |
| 02:41.28 | Guerin | user01: there, there. We're here for you. |
| 02:41.40 | user01 | Guerin: thanks <snif> |
| 02:41.41 | eldowan | kupesoft: yes, and system(); |
| 02:41.42 | Guerin | kupesoft: I know it *can*. |
| 02:41.53 | kupesoft | Guerin: like exec('ls /home/otheruser/public_html/'); would work |
| 02:42.03 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 02:42.21 | kupesoft | Guerin: even if the user executing that command is chroot'd via ssh/sftp |
| 02:42.26 | jello | kupesoft: if it's in /home/otheruser/public_html/ you can see it on the web, no need for php... |
| 02:42.43 | Guerin | kupesoft: well, chroot ssh is pointless anyhow |
| 02:42.47 | kupesoft | jello: how about /home/otheruser/public_html/lockeddirectory/ |
| 02:43.03 | kupesoft | jello: rather /home/otheruser/public_html/apachelockeddirectory/ |
| 02:43.14 | jello | kupesoft: what is /home/otheruser/public_html/apachelockeddirectory/ ? |
| 02:43.27 | Guerin | jello: it's an arbitrary directory which is locked |
| 02:43.29 | jello | kupesoft: either it has o+rx or not... |
| 02:43.32 | Guerin | clearly |
| 02:43.48 | jello | kupesoft: if so, then anyone can see it on the web |
| 02:43.58 | kupesoft | My problem is I don't want users seeing other users files on the system. |
| 02:44.04 | kupesoft | Even if they are viewable on the web, |
| 02:44.06 | *** join/#debian teekay_ (n=teekay@user-12lc7ub.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:44.11 | jello | kupesoft: that's silly |
| 02:44.22 | jello | kupesoft: they can do 'wget foo...' |
| 02:44.33 | kupesoft | jello: No, it's not. What if those files are PHP scripts that contain database passwords but get preprocessed before the httpd offers them up, |
| 02:44.38 | Guerin | kupesoft: you need to draw a distinction between other USERS seeing them and other users' SCRIPTS seeing them |
| 02:44.44 | eldowan | kupesoft: could you recap your desires for me? I haven't been following... |
| 02:44.54 | kupesoft | It's a very simple problem |
| 02:44.59 | user01 | would ubuntu be a better choice for a laptop? i usually use debian for desktop stuff... or just install testing? |
| 02:45.09 | Guerin | yes, it's largely a problem with multi-user hosting |
| 02:45.28 | Guerin | user01: i have everything running peachy on my stinkpad T42 with pretty minimal effort |
| 02:45.34 | *** join/#debian m00lean (n=root@Vea5a.v.pppool.de) |
| 02:45.35 | Guerin | including suspend/acpi and wireless |
| 02:45.48 | jello | kupesoft: use per-user groups, umask 002, and add www-data to each user's group |
| 02:46.00 | user01 | Guerin: mines a t40, support buddy :) |
| 02:46.17 | kupesoft | jello: there's still one problem |
| 02:46.22 | kupesoft | jello: even that that's perfectly clever |
| 02:46.23 | Guerin | jello: but a script run by apache can still read those files. |
| 02:46.32 | holdenSK | guys anyone knows how to upgrade bios on nx6110 with only debian sarge ? |
| 02:46.40 | kupesoft | jello: Guerin's got it. |
| 02:46.50 | jello | Guerin: not if you set up apache to chroot to the user when running scripts |
| 02:46.50 | kupesoft | Do I need to use something like suPHP? |
| 02:47.02 | Guerin | there's no way around it as I can see; www-data has to be able to read files to serve them, and if it can read them it can serve them. |
| 02:47.03 | Miesco | Maybe my paper size isn't correct cause its printing it way to big for the paper I have, I set it to A4... |
| 02:47.09 | deadcat | i cant seem to find the webcam usb drivers in menuconfig |
| 02:47.10 | Guerin | jello: right. |
| 02:47.11 | user01 | Guerin: im wondering if it is an issue with the radeon 750 |
| 02:47.12 | holdenSK | HP has only Windows and FreeDOS tool |
| 02:47.13 | jello | kupesoft: not familiar with it, but it sounds promising... |
| 02:47.31 | Guerin | jello: but that's a separate issue to do with apache - not filesystem or unix - permissions |
| 02:47.33 | kupesoft | eldowan: I have a multi-user system with each user having files accessible by apache. |
| 02:47.52 | Miesco | Whats the size of normal printer paper? |
| 02:47.52 | Miesco | The 11" one or whatever |
| 02:47.55 | Guerin | user01: whatamatter? |
| 02:48.02 | Guerin | Miesco: depends where you are. |
| 02:48.05 | *** part/#debian m00lean (n=root@Vea5a.v.pppool.de) |
| 02:48.11 | eldowan | USA 8.5x11" |
| 02:48.11 | MajorPayne | is it normal for apache to have 52 different processes, counted by "ps aux | grep apache | wc -l"? |
| 02:48.25 | jello | Guerin: correct, but the question was about how to set up dirs/perms |
| 02:48.29 | Guerin | Miesco: normal for apache is anything between a few and a few thousand |
| 02:48.30 | kupesoft | eldowan: I can't have users seeing other users files, but apache needs to see them, obviously. The problem is users can execute commands with apache's privileges (through the apache-php module) and therefore see other users files. |
| 02:48.39 | MajorPayne | err, apache to have 59 |
| 02:48.42 | jello | eldowan: no mention of support for normal end-users or laptops... |
| 02:48.57 | Miesco | Guerin: Whats letter? |
| 02:49.00 | Guerin | jello: no, it wasn't really. The issue was about solving the problem by whatever means. I can't see it solved by unix/filesystem perms. |
| 02:49.03 | Supaplex | normal end user? what's that? what's ... normal? |
| 02:49.05 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:49.07 | Guerin | Miesco: what eldowan said |
| 02:49.12 | *** join/#debian xbaez (n=xbaez@189.154.34.33) |
| 02:49.18 | user01 | Guerin: radeon 7500 . . . it does output dvd video or like on visualization...it leavev the window black |
| 02:49.19 | jello | kupesoft: mod-suphp looks like what you want |
| 02:49.21 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay, i'll try that size |
| 02:49.36 | Guerin | user01: mm, i never bothered to use the video-out, so I dunno. |
| 02:49.37 | kupesoft | jello: but then I'll need supython, suruby, et al, |
| 02:49.47 | jello | Supaplex: someone without a corporate support contract |
| 02:49.48 | *** join/#debian cld2 (n=cliff@cpe-76-171-131-190.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 02:49.56 | eldowan | at least HP is taking a step by supporting it though. |
| 02:49.56 | user01 | Guerin: its not video out really its the vga out |
| 02:49.59 | jello | kupesoft: security ain't easy... |
| 02:50.11 | kupesoft | jello: tell me about it, |
| 02:50.14 | Guerin | user01: oh, mine has a s-video out on it as well. |
| 02:50.27 | eldowan | kupesoft: how secure do you want to be? |
| 02:50.33 | Guerin | user01: the vga-out may need to be initialised at boot time. |
| 02:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 02:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 02:50.33 | user01 | Guerin: mine too...i thought the monitor think would be easier to fix first |
| 02:50.42 | cld2 | is there a way to get the output of a dpkg -l pkgname for a package thats not installed already? like via apt/aptitude somehow? thanks. |
| 02:50.43 | kupesoft | eldowan: I don't want users seeing other users files. |
| 02:50.47 | kupesoft | eldowan: just as secure as that, |
| 02:50.53 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@cpe-24-193-206-168.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 02:50.57 | Guerin | user01: i may have used it on this one, but it may also have been a toshi I used to own |
| 02:50.58 | cef | oh wonderful.. wpa_supplicant isn't compiled with hermes support *sigh* |
| 02:51.01 | user01 | Guerin: video out is another issue i should look at |
| 02:51.08 | eldowan | kupesoft: are you familiar with the system() usage? |
| 02:51.15 | kupesoft | eldowan: php's system() usage? |
| 02:51.18 | eldowan | yes |
| 02:51.22 | Guerin | cld2: aptitude search packagename |
| 02:51.43 | kupesoft | eldowan: sure, if allows commands to be executed, right? |
| 02:51.44 | cld2 | Guerin: thanks much. |
| 02:51.56 | user01 | Guerin: is there software for extending the desktop? |
| 02:52.03 | Guerin | kupesoft: can you not restrict a given vhost or userdir to a given path? |
| 02:52.04 | cef | and the cisco aironet driver doesn't seem to be fully wireless extension compliant |
| 02:52.05 | eldowan | kupesoft: it also returns the stdout. you can use that to your advantage |
| 02:52.08 | Miesco | Guerin: My paper size is letter and I set it to letter but its still printing it too big when I print from the browser, when I go to print test page its fine... |
| 02:52.09 | Guerin | user01: dunno. |
| 02:52.15 | *** part/#debian Jackie (n=benkude@219.246.177.10) |
| 02:52.34 | user01 | Guerin: do you use the dock? |
| 02:52.35 | Guerin | Miesco: no idea. May be a dpi/screen resolution system if it's printing using xprint |
| 02:52.37 | kupesoft | eldowan: I can't afford to limit my users php functionality |
| 02:52.46 | Guerin | user01: nope, just the laptop. |
| 02:53.01 | Guerin | user01: it's a laptop. I use it for laptop stuff: hibernating, wireless, etc. |
| 02:53.05 | Miesco | Guerin: Its using cups with SMB backend... |
| 02:53.14 | Guerin | if I wanted a dock and such I'd just use a desktop :) |
| 02:53.17 | kupesoft | eldowan: by using things like PHP's safe mode or by disabling system(), exec(), et al |
| 02:53.24 | user01 | Guerin: i got a cheap one on ubid |
| 02:53.29 | Miesco | Guerin: What should the dpi/screen resulution be for letter? |
| 02:53.42 | kupesoft | eldowan: this is a serious problem, what do web hosting companies do? |
| 02:53.42 | user01 | was like . . .515 i think with shipping |
| 02:53.45 | Guerin | Miesco: dunno. |
| 02:53.53 | kupesoft | jello et al: any idea what web hosting companies do |
| 02:54.02 | kupesoft | jello: guitar hero 2? |
| 02:54.10 | Firestarter- | Anyone here from africa? |
| 02:54.14 | jello | kupesoft: not familiar with it |
| 02:54.14 | Miesco | Guerin: Well right now I got: controlled by "Printout mode" |
| 02:54.22 | Miesco | Guerin: Whats that? |
| 02:54.37 | yungknight | kupesoft: i was asking the same thing here lastnight. the only answer i got is to not make the home dirs world-readable |
| 02:54.39 | Guerin | Miesco: i hate the digital-analogue divide, and that means printers. Hate. Loathe. And fear. |
| 02:54.46 | user01 | Guerin: then im spending another 80 for a high capacity battery and 70 for a 100GB hard drivve |
| 02:54.50 | kupesoft | yungknight, then www-data can't read them |
| 02:54.52 | Guerin | kupesoft: #php might know |
| 02:55.00 | Guerin | but you'd need to explain yourself again :) |
| 02:55.08 | eldowan | kupesoft: use system to 'ls' where the users files are. Use a sql db, or flat file, your choice. have them login, and use system to su <username> with supplied login passwd. I believe you can even use libpam. stdout will return the files they can see, and you can use the output as a string variable. $files=system(blah); epxplode $files using /r/n or /r as the split, and make the list of html links |
| 02:55.10 | kupesoft | Guerin: it's not a problem specific to PHP, what if I want to run modperl or modpython |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | kupesoft: sure, but it's not a problem specific to debian, either. |
| 02:55.32 | jello | kupesoft: you need to reportbug wnpp, with an RFP on hosting-company-setup |
| 02:55.34 | eldowan | fyi, explode will create an array that can be iterated easily. |
| 02:55.51 | yungknight | kupesoft: i don't think you'll be able to prevent someone from listing the dir with the files being server like public_html |
| 02:55.52 | kupesoft | Guerin: fair enough, |
| 02:56.06 | Guerin | kupesoft: #apache even |
| 02:56.16 | Guerin | though they won't touch it because it's about scripting languages |
| 02:56.20 | user01 | Guerin: i called ibm technical support and was like "yep just bought it yesterday" |
| 02:56.52 | jello | kupesoft: so i guess suphp isn't enough? |
| 02:56.58 | kupesoft | eldowan: That's not exactly clear |
| 02:57.03 | user01 | Guerin: they were supportive though the warranty was gone |
| 02:57.04 | kupesoft | jello: It'll have to do for now, |
| 02:57.18 | kupesoft | jello: PHP's the only urgent module that I need to install to apache |
| 02:57.27 | eldowan | kupesoft: I'm slightly confused as to your setup. Are you a host with multiple users, using vhosts, etc...? or are you a webmaster making a UI for a client? |
| 02:57.29 | kupesoft | jello: I'm just wondering if there's any way around this problem, |
| 02:57.40 | kupesoft | eldowan: using vhosts, |
| 02:57.56 | kupesoft | eldowan: host with multiple clients, I'm using vhosts |
| 02:58.05 | eldowan | and you are trying to limit user1 from seing /home/user2? |
| 02:58.20 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 02:58.28 | user01 | would it be crazy to dual boot ubuntu and debian? |
| 02:58.29 | kupesoft | eldowan: exactly, I can do this at the group/permission/umask/etc level |
| 02:58.35 | Miesco | Guerin: I fixed it, I changed the settings in firefox, was it because it was set to 600dpi? |
| 02:58.42 | kupesoft | eldowan: but not at the apache-php level |
| 02:59.04 | Guerin | Miesco: maybe. |
| 02:59.15 | Miesco | Guerin: Well I changed it to 300 and its perfect... |
| 02:59.17 | eldowan | kupesoft: have system() call su <user1>; ls /home/user1 |
| 02:59.21 | Guerin | Miesco: winner! |
| 02:59.42 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 02:59.45 | kupesoft | eldowan: that's just masking the problem |
| 02:59.59 | jello | kupesoft: ask #apache if there's a generic way to have scripts execute in the user's context |
| 03:00.07 | eldowan | kupesoft: oh, now i get it. sorry |
| 03:00.13 | Guerin | eldowan: cef: add whatever you like to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406587 |
| 03:00.35 | kupesoft | jello: I don't think that's the answer |
| 03:01.08 | *** join/#debian guk (n=chris@SOLOSOFT.ORG) |
| 03:01.10 | Miesco | yay |
| 03:01.17 | jello | kupesoft: in what way? |
| 03:01.21 | *** join/#debian amphi_ (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) |
| 03:01.22 | kupesoft | jello: It's not like the apache-php module is a CGI program which can call C's set_uid() before it runs |
| 03:01.23 | eldowan | Guerin: I just email to the Reply? |
| 03:01.46 | Guerin | eldowan: email 406587@bugs.d.o |
| 03:01.50 | yungknight | do any of you guys use sendmail? |
| 03:01.59 | kupesoft | eldowan: What do you think, |
| 03:02.05 | Guerin | yungknight: thankfully not. |
| 03:02.06 | jello | kupesoft: maybe there's some sort of directive that you can give at the apache level to set the context on a per-directory basis |
| 03:02.15 | eldowan | kupesoft: limit php by restricting the include path. |
| 03:02.22 | jello | kupesoft: i'm just guessing, but it might already be a solved problem |
| 03:02.29 | kupesoft | jello: apache set_uid()'s before touching a request, AFAIK |
| 03:02.33 | eldowan | on my server, php won't let me ls any other user's directory |
| 03:02.47 | yungknight | Guerin: i was just wondering if i'm biting off more than i can chew by using it |
| 03:02.47 | *** join/#debian PRAEDO (n=linux@sou.benvinguts.al.xat.de.irc-catalunya.org) |
| 03:02.48 | kupesoft | eldowan: that's at the PHP level, |
| 03:03.10 | kupesoft | eldowan: what if I wanted users to have access to modpython or modperl, |
| 03:03.14 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 03:03.22 | kupesoft | I'm sure someone has solved this problem before, |
| 03:03.23 | Guerin | yungknight: if you don't have a very strong reason to use it over postfix or exim, use one of those. |
| 03:03.33 | user01 | Guerin: are your graphics ati 9000 or hgher? |
| 03:03.47 | Guerin | user01: mm, i think 7500 or something |
| 03:03.49 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 03:03.55 | Guerin | it's asleep in the other room at the moment |
| 03:04.33 | kupesoft | This problem is giving me a headache |
| 03:04.37 | user01 | Guerin: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7500 hmmm i have 7500 too and there is no proprietary support for linux on those |
| 03:04.55 | yungknight | i'll probably try postfix. i have sendmail working but all i can do is send mail :D. i just don't know how to go about debugging the problem of not being able to receive mail |
| 03:05.07 | kupesoft | Anyone have anything brilliant to add to this problem? |
| 03:05.15 | jelly-home | user01: don't those cards have decent support with free drivers? |
| 03:05.18 | kupesoft | jello, eldowan, Guerin? |
| 03:05.23 | deadcat | whats the math to convert celsius to fahrenheit? |
| 03:05.29 | eldowan | Guerin: howto generate the -- system information:? |
| 03:05.36 | jello | kupesoft: sorry, you've reached the limit of my expertise |
| 03:05.44 | kupesoft | jello: thanks for all the help anyway |
| 03:05.47 | Guerin | eldowan: reportbug |
| 03:05.53 | jello | kupesoft: be sure to come back and tell us when you figure it out :) |
| 03:06.08 | jello | deadcat: f = 9 * c / 5 + 32 |
| 03:06.13 | deadcat | jello: thanks |
| 03:06.17 | yungknight | kupesoft: i'm trying to solve the same problem myself. what i've done so far is to only make the actually scripts readable by others |
| 03:06.30 | eldowan | kupesoft: Ahh, no I truly see your issue. I'm not familiar with apache other than an end user. Sorry, but I'm mostly PHP oriented. |
| 03:06.30 | jello | deadcat: google is your friend... |
| 03:06.45 | deadcat | jello: it just gives me shitloads of links |
| 03:07.02 | jello | deadcat: try 20C in F |
| 03:07.06 | eldowan | jello: Got to love -41 degree |
| 03:07.07 | stoned | deadcat, whats up man |
| 03:07.08 | jelly-home | deadcat: It can also convert it for you. |
| 03:07.29 | kupesoft | eldowan: thanks anyway |
| 03:07.33 | deadcat | stoned: what up dude.. working on my cobalt qube3 (= been at it since monday night |
| 03:07.35 | kupesoft | eldowan: I don't know why anyone could like PHP, heh |
| 03:07.40 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-51-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 03:07.45 | stoned | damn, word man |
| 03:07.49 | jello | eldowan: -41? |
| 03:07.58 | user01 | jelly-home: yes im just trying to fix an error where vga out shows a window thats all black |
| 03:07.59 | deadcat | jelly-home: thanks.. i just need the func to display the temp. in F for my cobalt.. |
| 03:07.59 | jelly-home | -40C = -40F |
| 03:08.02 | stoned | deadcat, dunno what it is, but sounds pretty nice hehe |
| 03:08.03 | eldowan | jello: convert -41 degrees F to C |
| 03:08.12 | krazykit | everyone should just use kelvin and be done with it |
| 03:08.21 | deadcat | stoned: this little fucker: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/qube3tmp |
| 03:08.31 | eldowan | kupesoft: I needed a scripting language, and php reminded me of the year I took c++ in High School |
| 03:08.38 | jello | krazykit: same as C without the noise... :) |
| 03:09.11 | jelly-home | user01: uh. I suppose you tried the Fn-key combos for enabling the vga out? |
| 03:09.31 | stoned | deadcat, whats it do? |
| 03:09.56 | cwheeler | I need to know what modules an ES1370 sound card game port needs, i'm using a sidewinder joystick |
| 03:10.03 | jelly-home | user01: have you tried using atitvout, btw? |
| 03:10.04 | Dewi | bloody sidewinders |
| 03:10.19 | deadcat | stoned: it was a server that comes with webgui interface.. but change the firmware it can support ext3 and i can install debian sarge to it.. |
| 03:10.26 | user01 | jelly-home: i was about to install gatos |
| 03:10.27 | abrotman | Dewi: shovel ? |
| 03:10.31 | Guerin | cwheeler: the 1990s want their cut-price shite back |
| 03:10.43 | cwheeler | jstest says "No such device" so it's having an issue with the gameport driver |
| 03:10.43 | deadcat | stoned: i have a wireless card (hostap) so i can scan the fuck out of the neighbors HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:10.45 | stoned | deadcat, very nice |
| 03:10.55 | cwheeler | doesn't appear to be the joystick causing the problem |
| 03:10.58 | stoned | behave lol |
| 03:10.58 | Dewi | abrotman: it's the nick highlights |
| 03:11.00 | user01 | jelly-home: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_TV-Out_working_on_ATI_graphic_cards |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | Dewi: i blame jesus :) |
| 03:11.09 | Guerin | my upstairs neighbour is a network admin |
| 03:11.10 | Dewi | abrotman: I get a bling every time somebody asks about them in here, which is actually really often |
| 03:11.21 | Guerin | this means it's probably unwise to scn him |
| 03:11.30 | deadcat | stoned: just kidding.. theres only 1 open network here. |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | Dewi: you could change your nick highlight :) |
| 03:11.41 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 03:12.01 | Dewi | Guerin: come on, lots of totally incompetant people admin networks. Like me for example. |
| 03:12.29 | Guerin | true, true |
| 03:12.29 | abrotman | !rootsmite dewi |
| 03:12.29 | *** join/#debian MajorPayne (n=major@blk-222-125-67.eastlink.ca) |
| 03:12.29 | Dewi | abrotman: to what? "wanker?" |
| 03:12.33 | Dewi | abrotman: I might get more legitimate hits that way, but I'm too proud |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | Dewi: that wouldn't work .. we get a lot of sad wankers in here :) |
| 03:12.54 | kupesoft | thanks all, goodnight |
| 03:13.01 | jello | Dewi: /dewi[^n]/ |
| 03:13.05 | *** join/#debian Maximiliano (n=max@200.115.252.236) |
| 03:13.12 | *** join/#debian markybob (n=markybob@c-69-140-140-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 03:13.26 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | or Dewi: ? |
| 03:13.33 | jelly-home | jello: won't match at the end of the line |
| 03:13.36 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 03:13.43 | *** join/#debian Fieldy (i=sgtphou@dev.gentooexperimental.org) |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | Fieldy: ? |
| 03:13.53 | jello | jelly-home: ok, /dewi\>/i |
| 03:14.00 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | fieldy ran! |
| 03:14.21 | *** join/#debian DeadSide (i=t7DS@200-147-99-183.tlm.dialuol.com.br) |
| 03:14.25 | jelly-home | Fieldy fled? |
| 03:14.33 | *** part/#debian DeadSide (i=t7DS@200-147-99-183.tlm.dialuol.com.br) |
| 03:14.34 | *** join/#debian Ozewa (n=Kyuss_Wr@longview-cuda1-g2-70-36-100-174.losaca.adelphia.net) |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you know of fieldy ? |
| 03:14.44 | markybob | damnit. who knew dating the boss's sister was a bad idea? anyone need a programmer? ;) |
| 03:14.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: fieldy might have been before your time |
| 03:14.56 | jello | !beer markybob |
| 03:15.01 | jello | !comfort markybob |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | There, there, markybob. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:15.05 | markybob | ah, yes. thank you :) |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | markybob: first of all .. no fucking duh .. secondly .. you don't want to do what i do :) |
| 03:15.07 | Maximiliano | i been reading in the neet and the beggining of gnu/linux (before linus create the kernel) the gnu proyect has all other programas but kernel... i ask... why do al other programs and not the kernel in first place??? |
| 03:15.14 | jello | markybob: where are you located, and what langs? |
| 03:15.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: Is that FieldySnuts? I remember seeing her maybe a year ago when I started coming here |
| 03:15.19 | Dewi | jello: I like the first one better |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes .. the same |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: more than a year i beleieve |
| 03:15.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: haven't seen that nick for a while |
| 03:15.41 | Guerin | much more than a year since she took off |
| 03:15.48 | Ozewa | whats this subseven service do? |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: fieldy got thrown out about the time that greycat did |
| 03:15.58 | *** join/#debian _jinda2 (n=jindal@220.227.97.99) |
| 03:16.07 | jello | greycat got thrown out?? |
| 03:16.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | jello: more like .. asked to leave |
| 03:16.16 | Guerin | he threw himself out |
| 03:16.21 | Dewi | Maximiliano: because a kernel is harder to write than an application |
| 03:16.22 | markybob | Maximiliano, they had(have) gnu kernel (hurd)...it just never got anywhere |
| 03:16.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: I see there's an entry in the ban list, yeah |
| 03:16.37 | user01 | is there a way to check if a pdf is natively a4 or letterpaper? |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | jello: he wasn't thrown out .. but the Politeness Police basically forced him out |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's her |
| 03:16.52 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 03:16.53 | jelly-home | user01: pdfinfo can tell for some pdfs |
| 03:16.56 | katabatic | anybody knowledgeable who can help me with my connection problem? |
| 03:17.00 | Dewi | Maximiliano: and in some ways less necessary since most people with computers already have some kind of operating system |
| 03:17.06 | abrotman | katabatic: we'd need more info |
| 03:17.31 | Maximiliano | markybob, and they migrated to linux kernel becuase it was better? |
| 03:17.33 | jello | !tell katabatic about ask |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | jello: there's a bit of history .. if you want .. some day when it's slow in here .. ask me to recant :) |
| 03:17.44 | user01 | jelly-home: i selected letterpaper but it keeps ending up in a4 i think |
| 03:17.45 | *** join/#debian bash (n=bash@pc-40-11-104-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 03:17.45 | katabatic | yes yes, but I asked a lot of times |
| 03:17.47 | katabatic | before |
| 03:17.58 | jello | abrotman: ok, will do... |
| 03:17.59 | jelly-home | user01: fwiw, pdfinfo is in xpdf-utils package |
| 03:18.01 | Dewi | markybob: is the hurd really older than linux? in a vaguely useable form? |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | erm .. recount :) |
| 03:18.06 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 03:18.11 | krazykit | jello: if you do a bit of googling, i'm pretty sure the whole story is somewhere. |
| 03:18.14 | user01 | jelly-home: thnx |
| 03:18.15 | *** join/#debian lnX\ (n=lnX\@host245.201-252-158.telecom.net.ar) |
| 03:18.19 | abrotman | Dewi: Hurd has morphed so many times .. it's hard to tell |
| 03:18.31 | markybob | Dewi, i wouldnt have called it useable :) but that's up to opinion |
| 03:18.45 | Maximiliano | Dewi, you mean gnu software (aplications) works not only with linux but with other os too? |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | markybob: btw .. don't date the boss' daughter |
| 03:19.04 | krazykit | jello: a short bit: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-and-linux.html |
| 03:19.07 | markybob | abrotman, a little late on the tip, man. but thanks for trying ;) |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | Maximiliano: GNU apps work on many operating systems |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | markybob: i did it once.. but the boss loved me .. but it was still weird |
| 03:19.31 | Dewi | Maximiliano: there are hundreds of unix/posix like operating systems, and most gnu software has been made to work on most of them |
| 03:19.31 | jelly-home | user01: I don't know if your pdf generator uses it, but try dpkg-reconfiguring libpaper1 |
| 03:19.33 | markybob | abrotman, in my defense, i knew her before i met him. 8 years now. i guess i just hoped that would've made a difference. it didnt |
| 03:19.44 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 03:19.49 | Maximiliano | dewi.. i see.. |
| 03:19.50 | Dewi | Maximiliano: okay maybe dozens rather than hundreds |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | markybob: yeah .. there are worse ideas .. but not many :) |
| 03:20.01 | katabatic | my problem is that, at boot, it won't automatically get an IP address from the router via DHCP. I have to disable/enable the card in network settings, or type some command to enable it, then it connects. I perhaps did something that caused this, but I can't figure it out!! it worked perfectly before. |
| 03:20.02 | lnast | glade we know where gnu and linux stand :) |
| 03:20.07 | Dewi | Maximiliano: even MacOS X is a unix |
| 03:20.10 | *** join/#debian wastrel (n=wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | katabatic: laptop ? |
| 03:20.12 | Maximiliano | Dewi, ok now i undertstand |
| 03:20.19 | jello | markybob: well, my boss doesn't have a daughter... and we're looking for programmers |
| 03:20.34 | Dewi | Maximiliano: linux was just the first one to work well on home PCs |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | jello: but aren't you in west virgina ? |
| 03:20.49 | markybob | jello, well, i might be your guy? i'm in the baltimore area in maryland. |
| 03:20.51 | jello | abrotman: mp[e |
| 03:20.54 | wastrel | my mom lives in wva |
| 03:20.54 | Ozewa | Alright, I notice on this server I'm helping out with that it has a subseven service running. I googled it and google says its bad, but its also a standard debian service |
| 03:20.55 | jello | abrotman: nope, nyc |
| 03:20.59 | katabatic | yes |
| 03:21.01 | wastrel | i live in nyc |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | jello: even worse! |
| 03:21.11 | Ozewa | what does the real service do? |
| 03:21.12 | Maximiliano | Dewi, now i see why it is so popular... instead of the "big" unixs |
| 03:21.13 | katabatic | laptop, but I don't think that should matter. it's wired |
| 03:21.16 | abrotman | markybob: i used to live in reistertown |
| 03:21.17 | jello | abrotman: why is tat? |
| 03:21.25 | jello | s/tat/that/ |
| 03:21.27 | abrotman | jello: at least you get open space in WV :) |
| 03:21.59 | jello | funny, my in-laws are in silver spring |
| 03:22.04 | Dewi | Maximiliano: nowadays of course several of them work on home PCs... freebsd, openbsd, macosx, solaris, among others |
| 03:22.19 | jello | small world this earth... |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | markybob: though you may not know where that is :) |
| 03:22.42 | jello | abrotman: even *I* know where that is... |
| 03:22.55 | markybob | jello i do c, php, perl. largest project i ever single-handedly did was a 75k line intranet for a real estate company. it was used to track real estate lots and building from acquisition through development. it linked in with google maps api and sugarcrm. but i've done various other little things, too. gps tracking of employees, some hacking back in the day of xfs first being ported to linux, etc. |
| 03:23.00 | abrotman | jello: outside baltimore ? |
| 03:23.12 | *** join/#debian ulf_k__ (n=ulf_k@p54BD17DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:23.15 | jello | abrotman: yep, exit 17 off 695, right? |
| 03:23.26 | markybob | abrotman, i dont, honestly, but i just moved here three months ago or so. i'm in a town outside of baltimore named elkridge. familiar with it? |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | 895 maybe .. been a while |
| 03:23.45 | wastrel | my mom lives near oakland |
| 03:23.46 | abrotman | markybob: it's .. NW of the city |
| 03:23.50 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 03:23.57 | wastrel | "near" being relative in rural areas |
| 03:23.58 | Maximiliano | Dewi, i have known about the existese of many flavors of bsd and a little about his history... but didnt know gnu soft work with all of them |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | 3102 Bonnie Rd |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | Maximiliano: "GNU" software runs on so many systems it's sick ... |
| 03:24.37 | markybob | abrotman, i dont know if you're a football fan, but i moved here from chicago and it's just crazy to have the bears and the ravens in the post season. been a great year for me :-) |
| 03:24.39 | katabatic | nobody knows? |
| 03:24.41 | jello | markybob: unfortunately we're a windows shop, so c# would really be handy |
| 03:24.46 | jello | markybob: or powerbuilder |
| 03:24.51 | abrotman | markybob: my mom lives in wisconsin :) |
| 03:25.12 | abrotman | markybob: i'm more of a baseball fan .. and moving from chicago to baltimore doesn't help you mcuh in that area :) |
| 03:25.22 | Maximiliano | abrotman, now i see more clear and understand a lot |
| 03:25.23 | markybob | jello, i really never tweaked with c#. shame :) |
| 03:25.37 | markybob | abrotman, i'm on the waiting list for the cubs!! :D |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | Maximiliano: GNU software runs on every Free OS .. and many non-free OSes |
| 03:25.55 | jello | markybob: yeah, i kinda didn't expect to get many candidates in #debian... |
| 03:25.56 | Guerin | even windows!@ |
| 03:25.58 | markybob | abrotman, true, i'm almost number 6000, but i'm hopefully that my turn will come up around retirement |
| 03:26.04 | abrotman | markybob: eh .. i don't want to be on the waiting list for the phillies :) |
| 03:26.33 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-251-240-207.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 03:26.34 | abrotman | jello: there were a few .. but they have permanently /part'ed |
| 03:26.41 | cld2 | can someone tell me whats the deal with /usr/bin/vim.tiny? how it differs from regular /usr/bin/vim ? |
| 03:26.54 | abrotman | cld2: vim is big .. vim.tiny is smaller |
| 03:26.59 | wastrel | it is smaller |
| 03:27.01 | wastrel | 100% |
| 03:27.06 | wastrel | well not 100% smaller |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | not 100% :) |
| 03:27.10 | jello | cld2: it's the vi-compatible version... |
| 03:27.13 | wastrel | but it is 100% factual that it is smaller |
| 03:27.38 | cld2 | are there feature losses. does it act just like old vi? |
| 03:27.39 | jello | cld2: no syntax highlighting, or anything useful... |
| 03:27.46 | *** join/#debian locifer (n=locifer@58.61.67.159) |
| 03:27.47 | cld2 | jello: ok thanks |
| 03:27.58 | abrotman | probably more like nvi .. but iwth a few additions |
| 03:27.59 | cld2 | abrotman, wastrel: thanks also |
| 03:28.27 | markybob | speaking of syntax highlighting (well, not really)...i'm really pissed off that bluefish cant use both cores at the same time. when dealing with huge source files that really pisses me off |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | markybob: you mean mixing two different highlignting syntaxes ? |
| 03:29.15 | *** join/#debian eisen_ (n=eisen@xdsl-81-173-151-91.netcologne.de) |
| 03:29.52 | Ozewa | so how do I use subseven? |
| 03:29.56 | Dewi | Guerin: the stuff on windows is better than nothing but god, is it slow and annoying |
| 03:30.09 | user01 | jelly-home: ooo gkdenconf is nice |
| 03:30.10 | markybob | abrotman, no. i mean both cpu cores in a dual-core box. with really huge files, say if you scroll down, it'll hang as it processes the syntax, sometimes for several seconds, and it'll not even touch the cpu's second core for help |
| 03:30.35 | user01 | jelly-home: *debconf |
| 03:30.36 | abrotman | i doubt vim is threaded |
| 03:31.04 | abrotman | markybob: of course .. that could more of an IO problem than a vim problem |
| 03:31.33 | abrotman | guess it depends on the size of the file |
| 03:31.33 | Guerin | Dewi: yeh, i know. Cygwin was my life for almost a year. |
| 03:31.33 | markybob | abrotman, that's a good point. it is a laptop. 4200rpm :'( |
| 03:31.33 | *** join/#debian n3kl (n=n3kl@67-41-218-85.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 03:31.40 | abrotman | markybob: enough RAM ? |
| 03:31.49 | markybob | abrotman, 2GB turion 52 x2 |
| 03:31.52 | Maximiliano | abrotman, when i was 11 i was playing with computers in a hospital (my mother worked in it) there were more tan 200 computers (now i know there were silly terminals) and a central "big computer" in those times i didnt know about nothing different to Ms-Dos or BASIC. The first time i hear about UNIX was watching Jurazzic Parke (the little girl say "it is a unix system" and she hack is) it was in 1991 |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | only 2GB ? wtf |
| 03:32.01 | Dewi | Guerin: the gnu win utils actually killed a hard drive of mine recently |
| 03:32.02 | n3kl | Hi Guys. Does anyone know of a good place to start looking into clustering? |
| 03:32.11 | markybob | abrotman, sorry man...i swear it's the max they offered when i bought it ;) |
| 03:32.14 | Guerin | Dewi: damn. |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | Maximiliano: that's so sad :) |
| 03:32.27 | *** join/#debian muh2000_ (n=muh2000@p57A58063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:32.31 | Dewi | Guerin: for some reason the windows port of "find" needs to crunch the HD for about a second just to read each directory |
| 03:32.36 | abrotman | markybob: i've seen issues opening large files in vim |
| 03:32.36 | lnast | Dewi: ironic hey? :) |
| 03:32.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:32.45 | Dewi | Guerin: so I ran my "find" script a few times, and then it started failing earlier and earlier on the disk |
| 03:32.54 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-100-164-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 03:32.56 | abrotman | n3kl: depends what kind of clustering |
| 03:33.05 | Dewi | Guerin: and I ended up going through that whole week long process of trying to get my data back :P |
| 03:33.29 | Dewi | Guerin: but it literally failed *while* I was tweaking a find script |
| 03:33.41 | n3kl | abrotman: I think its called parellel. Assigning processes to less busy machines across a network. I have a group of machines that don't do crap and I would like to offload some of the tasks in a cluster. |
| 03:33.44 | jelly-home | Dewi: I have updatedb running on 2003 from cron, don't scare me saying "find" is the culprit |
| 03:33.51 | jello | delire: neat, thanks! |
| 03:33.58 | markybob | abrotman, it really is kind of surprising, when you think about it. those programs are made by programmers (duh)...and yet, they're not made well enough to not annoy us while programming other things. go figure that one |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | n3kl: there is computational clustering and serving clustering |
| 03:34.10 | *** part/#debian Maximiliano (n=max@200.115.252.236) |
| 03:34.11 | Guerin | well, i'm most of 25/28ths of the way thought badblocks on this drive which throws i/o errors at boot, but otherwise appears to work fine - and no errors as yet. |
| 03:34.13 | Dewi | jelly-home: I just question why the gnu utils hit the disk so damn hard on windows. I dunno what's going on :P |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | markybob: vim isn't small ..and when it tries to highlight a large file .. it takes that much more |
| 03:34.39 | n3kl | abrotman: Computational. I don't need failover |
| 03:34.47 | n3kl | or redundancy |
| 03:35.02 | Dewi | Guerin: incidentally, once I patched gnu ddrescue to open in O_DIRECT mode, the rescued image had only 70kb missing and it chkdsk'd back just fine |
| 03:35.11 | abrotman | !info mpich-bin etch |
| 03:35.35 | markybob | abrotman, i understand that...but c'mon, we landed a guy on the moon in '69. in 2007 we should be able to have a decent programming environment :) |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | markybob: and they haven't been back since .. what .. 73 ? |
| 03:36.08 | *** join/#debian TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0719.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) |
| 03:36.09 | Dewi | delire: yeah. how awesome is that. I run the debian vim about 3 screens deep, from a windows machine with Cygwin/Xorg running on it, and I have full mouse and clipboard access |
| 03:36.15 | abrotman | markybob: i think you've forgotten that RAM is cheaper than CPU time now ... |
| 03:36.16 | markybob | abrotman, that's because it was only a small step for man. :D |
| 03:36.17 | Dewi | delire: complete with scroll wheel |
| 03:36.27 | dpkg | mpich-bin: (MPI parallel computing system implementation), section devel, is extra. Version: 1.2.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | n3kl: ^^ |
| 03:36.40 | *** join/#debian chascon (n=chatzill@pc-43-139-120-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 03:36.59 | abrotman | n3kl: mpich is in debian .. i think it's the only packaged MPI implentation .. there's probably a beowulf package too |
| 03:37.06 | abrotman | packaged for debian anyways |
| 03:37.21 | abrotman | there's .. uhm .. MPICH and .. LAMPICH i think |
| 03:37.26 | abrotman | that are free anyways |
| 03:38.27 | deadcat | whats a good order for these partitions: / /usr swap /tmp /var /home /data |
| 03:38.29 | n3kl | abrotman: yeah, I was looking into something like openmosix and such, but I don't realyy want to patch the kernel just yet. In the past I have setup distcc on slackware and such, but I am still learning debian and I have not figured out how to compile and install source using apt. |
| 03:38.30 | markybob | jello, fyi, i also wrote shellter. http://shellter.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:38.48 | n3kl | abrotman: if this is just a package, I just might install it. Thanks =] |
| 03:38.52 | markybob | jello you probably wont find much use for it in a windows shop, though ;) |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | n3kl: distributed compiling is different than computational clustering |
| 03:39.21 | *** join/#debian Maximiliano (n=max@200.115.252.236) |
| 03:39.33 | nse | there is a quote here from debian.org "When we speak of Free Software, we mean freedom, not price." i guess should be "When we speak of Free Software, we mean freedom AND price. " no cost is a necessary condition to true freedom |
| 03:39.34 | jello | markybob: i've managed to sneak in one debian box... |
| 03:39.52 | n3kl | abrotman: so what is computational clustering. Spreading the tasks? |
| 03:39.56 | Guerin | nse: not at all. |
| 03:40.01 | jello | markybob: but yeah... |
| 03:40.08 | abrotman | n3kl: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 03:40.14 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 03:40.19 | *** join/#debian jenglish (n=jenglish@outside.flightlab.com) |
| 03:40.27 | Guerin | nse: if I build a binary and distribute it to you, i'm entitled to recoup costs and make whatever profit you're prepared to support. |
| 03:40.33 | deadcat | whats a good order for these partitions: / /usr swap /tmp /var /home /data |
| 03:40.34 | jello | delire: order? in what sense? |
| 03:40.43 | jello | deadcat: ^^ |
| 03:40.50 | nse | Guerin: yes, it makes sence... |
| 03:40.53 | deadcat | jello: sense in the hdd |
| 03:41.06 | Guerin | nse: the catch is that, with GPL or other copyleft software, I need to also give you source which you have the right to build and distribute, thus allowing you to undercut me ... |
| 03:41.06 | n3kl | abrotman: I would like to make older machines process tasks faster by working together. |
| 03:41.09 | jello | deadcat: well, /boot should be first |
| 03:41.16 | abrotman | n3kl: what kind of tasks ? |
| 03:41.19 | deadcat | jello: can i just make /boot part of / ? |
| 03:41.29 | wastrel | yes |
| 03:41.38 | jello | deadcat: yes, but it's recommended to be on its own |
| 03:41.44 | nse | Guerin: yeah! that's it. i understand |
| 03:41.48 | jello | deadcat: if you do that, the rest don't really matter |
| 03:42.08 | n3kl | abrotman: anything from desktop machine work to apache stuff. You can tell I don't know much about the subject, and that is really the drive of the question... to learn. |
| 03:42.12 | delire | Dewi: yeah, loving it here. |
| 03:42.20 | *** join/#debian mikecd (n=fenris@67.174.191.46) |
| 03:42.21 | deadcat | jello: i figure i should put /tmp and /var near the end or something because they get written the most? |
| 03:42.37 | abrotman | n3kl: there is load balancing, computational, and compiling |
| 03:42.49 | n3kl | abrotman: like, for example. I would like to transcode an avi file in less than 36 hours. Using multiple machines could accomplish this. |
| 03:43.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | n3kl: that's computational AFAIK |
| 03:43.06 | Guerin | n3kl: it depends on the machines. |
| 03:43.06 | jello | deadcat: you need to consider read as well as write |
| 03:43.14 | jello | deadcat: imho, it's a waste of time... |
| 03:43.24 | abrotman | n3kl: however .. i'm not sure transcoding would support multiple machines |
| 03:43.44 | Dewi | delire: I map F5 to select all, F6 to desktop-cut, F7 to desktop-copy, and F8 to desktop-paste. So it's quite natural to use my Windows/X-windows clipboard |
| 03:43.53 | markybob | abrotman, it does. it's pretty neat, actually. dvd::rip supports it |
| 03:44.04 | n3kl | abrotman: is there something that you know of that would be able to handle most common processes, like desktop workstation tasks? |
| 03:44.06 | deadcat | jello: thanks.. |
| 03:44.12 | abrotman | markybob: i don't do video stuff like that .. wouldn't know :) |
| 03:44.15 | jenglish | Sorry to interrupt -- but does 'apt-get install' have a '--force' option or something similar, meaning "Please (re)install the .deb even though it's already installed"? |
| 03:44.18 | delire | Dewi: hehe noted for next time i'm unlucky enough to be using Windows (not too far away now). |
| 03:44.28 | yungknight | Guerin: thanks for mentioning postfix |
| 03:44.30 | wastrel | --reinstall |
| 03:44.32 | jello | jenglish: --reinstall ? |
| 03:44.37 | abrotman | n3kl: markybob seems to imply that you can do things like that .. i assume he means with beowulf |
| 03:44.37 | Guerin | mind you, in this day and age `older machines' probably means the p4-2.6, p3-1000 and pm 1.5 i have here |
| 03:44.39 | Dewi | delire: same applies to x-windows. It's whatever X environment you're using |
| 03:44.39 | markybob | abrotman, dont blame you. we all just use/learn what we need :) |
| 03:44.46 | delire | Dewi: i'm getting into the cursorline also.. great for coding. |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | markybob: i have a tv! |
| 03:44.47 | *** join/#debian cmh0101 (n=ha@69-161-103-116.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 03:44.53 | yungknight | i don't believe this i spent 3 days trying to get sendmail to work properly and i have postfix up and running properly in 5 mins |
| 03:44.54 | yungknight | wow |
| 03:45.05 | jello | yungknight: hah! |
| 03:45.07 | Dewi | delire: what's cursorline? |
| 03:45.10 | abrotman | yungknight: sounds about average :) |
| 03:45.12 | jenglish | Ah! |
| 03:45.18 | Guerin | yungknight: that was the whole purpose of postfix - to fix the sorry state of mail servitude |
| 03:45.19 | jenglish | Thank you! |
| 03:45.23 | jello | yungknight: and people wonder why i always recommend postfix |
| 03:45.25 | n3kl | beowolf is a kernel patch though, right? |
| 03:45.25 | yungknight | lol |
| 03:45.35 | delire | Dewi: try it :set cursorline |
| 03:45.36 | markybob | yungknight, sendmail's a piece of shit. welcome to life with postfix |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | yungknight: unless you have a real need for sendmail .. postfix/exim are the way to go |
| 03:45.50 | jello | yungknight: the docs are awesome too |
| 03:46.12 | Guerin | there are still some things you can do with sendmail that you can't, or can't easily do with postfix or exim |
| 03:46.18 | yungknight | so i guess you guys are all postfixers :D |
| 03:46.23 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 03:46.25 | mikecd | I have unfond memories of sendmail 5.3ira or whatever it was |
| 03:46.25 | delire | Dewi: Vim7's tabs are also proving to be indispensible. far better than vsplit, hsplit. |
| 03:46.27 | *** join/#debian dotCOMmie (n=tox@ool-182dfa0f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:46.30 | Guerin | i think sendmail's config language is actually turing-complete |
| 03:46.32 | jello | Guerin: like what? |
| 03:46.46 | markybob | abrotman, real need for sendmail? isnt postfix 99% compatible with sendmail, anyway? |
| 03:46.46 | jello | Guerin: that is true, but so what? |
| 03:46.46 | delire | hehe |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | everyone should have to fight with qmail just once .. to realize how good sendmail is :) |
| 03:46.48 | Dewi | delire: I don't have vim7 yet on any linux machines |
| 03:46.49 | Guerin | jello: the rantings of sendmail gurus escape me |
| 03:46.56 | hark | !start a mta war |
| 03:46.56 | dpkg | courier sucks |
| 03:46.58 | delire | Dewi: amazing release IMO. |
| 03:47.03 | Guerin | delire: got that right |
| 03:47.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | markybob: there are still reasons to use sendmail .. but they are very advanced |
| 03:47.10 | mikecd | Guerin: I've seen a four function calculator implemented in sendmail.cf ca. sendmail 8.1... only had a two-digit display though. |
| 03:47.11 | markybob | abrotman, i did. back in '99 at the isp i worked at (ccm.net)...qmail made me hate life :) |
| 03:47.11 | Guerin | dpkg: got that right |
| 03:47.16 | *** join/#debian comsa (i=comsa@katax1-093.dialup.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | markybob: the current job ihave had qmail when i got there .. it was god awful .. and ezmlm made it even worse |
| 03:47.39 | jello | qmail, bah... it isn't even dfsg-free |
| 03:47.48 | delire | true |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | qmail is just .. horrible |
| 03:47.57 | markybob | abrotman, i feel for ya. i do know what it's like |
| 03:48.00 | hark | bah, was hoping for the sendmail one.. |
| 03:48.00 | *** join/#debian CLucas_ (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 03:48.01 | jello | i hear it's being forked... |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | markybob: it drives admins to drink :) |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | jello: qmail ? |
| 03:48.24 | Guerin | http://acme.com/mail_filtering/ # has many painful sendmail recipes |
| 03:48.31 | Dewi | delire: aah, that cursorline. Yeah, that's handy. I'm always losing my cursor |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | jello: AFAIK .. the license forbids it |
| 03:48.35 | Guerin | qmail drove me to postfix |
| 03:48.35 | delire | i really dislike exim. guess i'll poke a stick at postfix sometime soon. |
| 03:48.35 | *** part/#debian CLucas_ (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 03:48.48 | abrotman | postfix is a dream for simple mail |
| 03:48.51 | delire | Dewi: great when you're a little tired after a long night coding.. |
| 03:48.52 | jello | abrotman: yeah, iirc, someone wants to challenge the license |
| 03:48.52 | *** join/#debian CLucas (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 03:48.53 | markybob | abrotman, then again, that isp ran a mix of freebsd, bsdi and redhat linux 7. it seemed like i wanted to kill myself every single day :) |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | jello: good damn luck .. |
| 03:49.04 | curt_ | is it possible to install lvm2 in a debootstrap/chroot and use ito create pv-vg-lv. i get: No program "pvcreate"(or any other) found for your current version of LVM. |
| 03:49.05 | Guerin | jello: good luck to them |
| 03:49.11 | abrotman | markybob: uhm .. ouch? :) |
| 03:49.27 | Dewi | curt_: do you have the lvm module probed? |
| 03:49.31 | Dewi | curt_: the device mapper I mean |
| 03:49.38 | Dewi | curt_: also the lvm service needs to be running |
| 03:49.57 | Dewi | curt_: that message usually indicates one of the two is missing (it's a little misleading) |
| 03:49.58 | delire | abrotman: i think we'll give it a whirl on my wife's new TP x60s. she needs something really simple. |
| 03:50.04 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 03:50.07 | abrotman | delire: on her laptop ? |
| 03:50.10 | delire | abrotman: yep |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | delire: wtf does she need an SMTp server for ? |
| 03:50.20 | jello | abrotman, Guerin: http://forum.qmailrocks.org/showthread.php?t=5068 |
| 03:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 03:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 03:50.47 | *** join/#debian denver (n=denver@12.107.36.226) |
| 03:50.55 | delire | abrotman: she just wants basic mail handling. fetchmail and some local transport. perhaps a little relaying. |
| 03:50.57 | Wyzard | curt_: The chroot needs access to /dev/mapper/control |
| 03:51.10 | jello | delire: ssmtp? |
| 03:51.12 | abrotman | jello: only one response |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | delire: procmail ? |
| 03:51.36 | delire | abrotman: yep, we both use this. |
| 03:51.39 | jello | abrotman: yeah, but it's been written up elsewhere as well, that was just the first hit i found |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | jello: i wonder if the same arugment would apply to djbdns |
| 03:52.12 | Guerin | jello: without knowing much, i think that guy is pissing in the wind. |
| 03:52.26 | abrotman | delire: postfix is nice .. exim might be better .. experimentation will tell :) |
| 03:52.50 | curt_ | Dewi, interesting .. lvm should be supported in the kernel "2.6.18-3" .. It's not the service (I just checked). I should check dm-mod but thought that it wasn't needed |
| 03:52.55 | jello | ssmtp is perfect for just getting mail out the door... |
| 03:53.01 | delire | abrotman: i'm sick of exim. keen to explore a change.. |
| 03:53.08 | delire | jello: yeah.. this is what i hear. |
| 03:53.09 | Wyzard | curt_: dm-mod is the device mapper, which lvm2 needs |
| 03:53.22 | yungknight | i've taken a shot at exim, sendmail and now postfix and i got postfix up and running in 5mins |
| 03:53.27 | jello | delire: easier than postfix even! |
| 03:53.27 | *** join/#debian huh (n=mike@ip-58-28-134-90.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 03:53.44 | jello | delire: if you don't need to receive smtp mail, that is |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | delire: i like postfix .. it's pretty easy for a lot of tasks .. |
| 03:53.51 | huh | Any release date? |
| 03:53.53 | curt_ | Wyzard, that's one of the strange things about debootstrap .. it doesn't handle /dev very well .. i think because it expect to be able to use udev. |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | !nullmailer |
| 03:53.59 | jello | delire: otherwise, use postfix |
| 03:53.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package. |
| 03:54.12 | jello | abrotman: i prefer ssmtp |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | though .. i'm not sure that would suit your needs |
| 03:54.20 | abrotman | jello: not you .. for delire! |
| 03:54.23 | *** join/#debian teledyn_ (n=teledyn@adsl-75-32-149-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:55.24 | jello | abrotman: i prefer ssmtp for those situations (like delire's) |
| 03:55.35 | markybob | btw...the company that i'm no longer working for is moving all of their servers to rackspace. i'm curious if anyone in here has any experiences with them and if they're as good as they claim ? |
| 03:55.35 | markybob | delire, you will not be sorry about postfix. it's been a pleasure to work with |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | jello: it has its place :) |
| 03:55.59 | *** join/#debian teledyn__ (n=teledyn@adsl-75-32-149-194.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:56.11 | Guerin | the problem with exim is that it hangs boot for about an hour if the network isn't up |
| 03:56.13 | curt_ | Wyzard, modprobe borks on modprobe md-mod because it's using uname -r to set the kernel. is the an alternate way to add the mod? |
| 03:56.16 | delire | markybob: what about for a one $USER machine? it's not overkill? |
| 03:56.29 | *** join/#debian CLucas_ (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | postfix really is very very nice |
| 03:56.32 | Wyzard | curt_: Load it from outside the chroot |
| 03:56.33 | Guerin | won't just background and let everything else get on with it |
| 03:56.41 | curt_ | hmm |
| 03:56.41 | wastrel | hi |
| 03:56.47 | delire | ssmtp looks like a good fit for getting mail off the machine. perhaps just procmail will do to pass it and sort it into ~/Mail |
| 03:56.57 | abrotman | delire: if it makes you feel better .. it was an IBM project :) |
| 03:57.03 | delire | hehe |
| 03:57.19 | *** join/#debian CLucas_ (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 03:57.28 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 03:57.39 | jello | at a talk about postfix no less |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | that's odd .. :) |
| 03:58.00 | jello | he wasn't giving it... |
| 03:58.03 | delire | what an uncanny assemblage of circumstances! |
| 03:58.10 | jello | but it was in an IBM building... |
| 03:58.12 | jello | iirc |
| 03:58.18 | jello | or maybe not.... |
| 03:58.21 | jello | memory is fuzzy |
| 03:58.29 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure IBM owns every office building in .us :) |
| 03:58.44 | markybob | i'm pretty sure IBM has taken over the world. i mean, c'mon, making the processor that powers all three major game consoles? how'd they get that? ;) |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | markybob: blackmail! |
| 03:59.04 | *** join/#debian turok (n=rene@dslb-084-063-005-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:59.08 | Dewi | markybob: processor or processorS ?> |
| 03:59.11 | jello | abrotman: except the ones owned by colleges/universitys... |
| 03:59.32 | jello | and the gov't... |
| 03:59.33 | abrotman | jello: they own those too .. but the Unis pretend they don't rely on IBM :) |
| 03:59.44 | delire | abrotman: impressive how under-the-wraps IBM keep their sheer size. people are genuinely suprised when you tell them that IBM dwarfs Microsoft in raw turnover and workforce. |
| 03:59.58 | markybob | not to mention all of their consulting. i've never worked for a company who didnt have ibm consultants. makes me sick. ;) |
| 04:00.02 | Dewi | abrotman: mine seems to rely more on Sun and sometimes even Dell :P |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | delire: IBM is *everywhere* |
| 04:00.12 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 04:00.12 | jello | markybob: we don't... :) |
| 04:00.33 | cld2 | I work for ibm |
| 04:00.33 | markybob | jello, unfortunately it doesnt look like i'll be working with you ;) |
| 04:00.35 | jello | although, we did used to be an IBM solution provider or somesuch... |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | Dewi: that too.. if your Uni has Unix .. it's AIX first .. Solaris second |
| 04:00.41 | markybob | cld2, my point exactly |
| 04:00.50 | cld2 | we are everywhere |
| 04:01.14 | markybob | cld2, honestly, man, why'd you all stop with the linux commercials? that little kid was awesome! ;) |
| 04:01.14 | delire | sh1t it's 5am. |
| 04:01.15 | jello | abrotman: mine had sunos, solaris, irix, and linux (red hat) |
| 04:01.28 | abrotman | Dewi: and by "has Unix" ... i mean .. that they use it for things that the kids don't touch |
| 04:01.31 | cld2 | IBM's size is possible because 75% of prof services works from home and 40% overall work from home or "Shared offices" |
| 04:01.34 | abrotman | jello: but you're 43 :) |
| 04:01.49 | Guerin | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 04:01.53 | *** join/#debian landexem (i=thepuro@an.oper.i.shall.be) |
| 04:01.56 | *** part/#debian TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0719.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) |
| 04:01.58 | jello | abrotman: really? is it 2020 already? |
| 04:02.01 | Guerin | this drive throws i/o errors on boot; for ages |
| 04:02.09 | abrotman | Guerin: i think my dad's callsign on his boat starts with WTF :) |
| 04:02.11 | Guerin | and fsck and badblocks both run clean |
| 04:02.11 | cld2 | markybob: I know. they were great commercials. I loved the basketball ones. and then one day poof. |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | jello: don't say that .. you'll make me feel old :) |
| 04:02.52 | jello | abrotman: you're only as old as you feel! |
| 04:02.58 | cld2 | Guerin: just caught the wtf. LOL'ed |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | jello: you're just as old as i am :) |
| 04:03.56 | abrotman | RPM ? |
| 04:04.08 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-96-74.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | see .. you know you're old when 78RPM is funny :) |
| 04:04.19 | Dewi | abrotman: only my head when trying to navigate 'info' pages |
| 04:04.29 | cld2 | is there a a way to do dpkg -L pkgname in aptitude so I can see the contents of a pkg I dont have installed yet? |
| 04:04.30 | jello | abrotman: nah, even *i* got that... :) |
| 04:04.40 | jello | cld2: that's what packages.d.o is for... |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | jello: yeah .. but you're as old as i am |
| 04:04.54 | abrotman | jello: you remember when vinyl was the way you got music |
| 04:04.56 | cld2 | jello: ? |
| 04:04.57 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm 25 and we had 78s at home when I was a kid |
| 04:05.04 | abrotman | were they blue ? |
| 04:05.11 | Dewi | red I think |
| 04:05.21 | Dewi | there was one odd translucent square blue one or something |
| 04:05.24 | *** join/#debian `Butthead (i=butthead@CPE00095b1b25c3-CM001692563ed4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:05.28 | jello | cld2: packages.debian.org |
| 04:05.31 | cld2 | Dewi: same here. I have a few in my music collection still, and a record player thats hooked up and saw use a few months ago. |
| 04:05.38 | cld2 | jello: oh, thanks :) |
| 04:05.41 | *** join/#debian daya (n=daya@202.79.37.177) |
| 04:05.43 | jello | we had 33s at home... |
| 04:05.47 | jello | some 45s |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | i have 33s .. because i want them :) |
| 04:05.57 | *** join/#debian medc (n=marcos@190.37.138.89) |
| 04:05.58 | Dewi | hmm actually I think I've been lying |
| 04:06.03 | Dewi | we only had 45s at home |
| 04:06.08 | Dewi | but grandma had 78s |
| 04:06.18 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@2001:688:c33:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 04:07.00 | CHodapp_ | Anyone successfully used Linux to communicate with a TI-85 calculator? |
| 04:07.03 | curt_ | I get "FATAL: Kernel does not have module support" with modprobe --set-version 2.6.18-3-686 dm-mod, Kernel is not custom. |
| 04:07.18 | *** join/#debian wookienz (n=wookienz@pcd544238.netvigator.com) |
| 04:07.22 | Dewi | abrotman: my family was odd though; I had had a computer for 4 or 5 years before we ever owned a CD player or VHS |
| 04:07.43 | abrotman | Dewi: uhm .. that was normal if you grew up in the 80s :) |
| 04:07.52 | jello | ditto |
| 04:08.09 | Dewi | abrotman: people had computers in the 80s? :P |
| 04:08.27 | jello | heck, we had a TI-99 that used cassette tapes for storage |
| 04:08.34 | Dewi | abrotman: I didn't think they had much proliferation back then |
| 04:08.38 | abrotman | Dewi: we had an Apple //e with a coupler .. and a Qbasic card .. and a Grappler card .. *long* before we had a VHS playet |
| 04:08.56 | Dewi | abrotman: this was the mid-90s I'm talking about |
| 04:08.58 | abrotman | Dewi: and it still runs :) |
| 04:09.04 | jello | most people had either a c64 or an apple of some sort... |
| 04:09.06 | abrotman | Dewi: you're a young-un |
| 04:09.33 | Dewi | abrotman: I only wish I was. |
| 04:09.39 | abrotman | Dewi: for reference .. i graduated high school in the mid-90s |
| 04:10.24 | Dewi | abrotman: you're not even old then |
| 04:10.28 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.160.193.87) |
| 04:10.40 | abrotman | Dewi: 30 |
| 04:10.48 | wookienz | hi, i have a cron job trying to create a directory from an old install of sendmail. I keep getting error messages as the root user about this cron job not being successful. How do i stop a particualr cron job from working? |
| 04:10.58 | jello | abrotman: did you install debian on it? |
| 04:11.06 | Dewi | wookienz: comment out its line with # |
| 04:11.06 | cld2 | wookienz: as that user type cron -e |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | jello: it's more fun to play with qbasic :) |
| 04:11.33 | cld2 | wookienz: then, like dewi says comment out the line and save and quit. |
| 04:12.07 | cld2 | wow, nevermind... to much solaris for me, sorry for the misinformation |
| 04:12.10 | Bogus8 | I've screened in a screen session... how do I get out of the "inner" one? |
| 04:12.42 | jello | Bogus8: get out of them both, and then kill the inner one? |
| 04:12.54 | jello | Bogus8: then reconnect to the outer... |
| 04:12.57 | cld2 | wookienz: sorry its crontab -e |
| 04:13.08 | Bogus8 | jello: that's the thing I don't want to kill the inner one... the outer one I don't want |
| 04:13.18 | wookienz | yeah... there is nothing in the crontab for any of the users! |
| 04:13.26 | *** join/#debian glut (i=glut@no.suid.pl) |
| 04:13.26 | cld2 | did you do it as root? |
| 04:13.29 | jello | wookienz: check /etc/cron.d |
| 04:13.33 | cld2 | if there is nothing then cron isnt starting the job. |
| 04:13.55 | jello | wookienz: and /etc/cron.daily, weekly |
| 04:13.59 | cld2 | any of you ever use favi? |
| 04:14.08 | cld2 | !favi |
| 04:14.13 | jello | Bogus8: disconnect, do a screen -list and pick which one to connect |
| 04:14.18 | cld2 | bah |
| 04:14.35 | cld2 | !fai |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | well, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 04:14.37 | cld2 | sorry |
| 04:15.09 | Bogus8 | jello: thanks... I didn't know that would work... thought maybe the inside one would be stuck inside |
| 04:15.28 | wookienz | jello, cld2, Dewi thanks. |
| 04:15.35 | jello | Bogus8: that's the beauty of screen :) |
| 04:15.42 | jello | wookienz: so, where was it? |
| 04:15.52 | Bogus8 | jello: oh, I LOVE screen... just never got myself in that delima ;) |
| 04:15.52 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 04:16.28 | wookienz | /etc/cron.d - i deleted the file |
| 04:16.28 | jello | figured... |
| 04:16.35 | cld2 | hehe. brutal |
| 04:16.47 | *** join/#debian jnguy (n=jnguy@mrjack.ucsd.edu) |
| 04:17.09 | *** join/#debian maple1 (n=sdfsdfs@bas2-kitchener06-1096747958.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 04:17.15 | wookienz | on a seperate topic. i have a CLI only debian box asi remote into it...can i use some sort of remote desktop from my M$ box to the linux box to run a desktop? |
| 04:17.23 | *** join/#debian Daishi (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:17.24 | cld2 | is FAI the only/best way to do a hands free debian install? |
| 04:17.25 | *** join/#debian AI_coder (n=AI@ip-209-124-242-76.dynamic.eatel.net) |
| 04:17.36 | jello | cld2: definitely not the only |
| 04:17.46 | jello | cld2: fai is really for doing many identical installs |
| 04:17.48 | cld2 | jello: do you know the names of others? |
| 04:17.57 | jello | cld2: look up pre-seeding in d-i |
| 04:18.06 | jello | wookienz: what's the question? |
| 04:18.18 | cld2 | jello: whats d-i ? |
| 04:18.22 | jello | !d-i |
| 04:18.22 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 04:18.28 | cld2 | thanks. |
| 04:18.50 | *** join/#debian vinsci (n=vinsci@unaffiliated/vinsci) |
| 04:18.50 | jello | wookienz: you want graphical linux apps on your linux box? |
| 04:19.01 | jello | s/linux box/windows box/ |
| 04:19.10 | *** join/#debian jsumners (n=jsumners@24-178-102-83.dhcp.stbr.ga.charter.com) |
| 04:19.12 | wookienz | jello, can i remote into my linux box and have it run a desktop? would said desktop take alot of resources as if i had a screen and keyboard plugged ino it? |
| 04:19.28 | cld2 | VNC? |
| 04:19.32 | *** join/#debian Galga (n=HoneyPot@mbl-65-149-110.dsl.net.pk) |
| 04:19.38 | jello | wookienz: install cygwin-x on your windows box, then tunnel x over ssh |
| 04:19.39 | wookienz | basically i use CLI to my server currently, i was judst curious if it is worth having a desktop show up when i remote in. |
| 04:20.01 | jello | wookienz: or use Xvnc |
| 04:20.12 | *** join/#debian AciD (n=gni@APoitiers-157-1-144-138.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:20.26 | wookienz | its only a pent 2, so wondering if it is really worth it for the resources it would take up. |
| 04:20.34 | jello | wookienz: prob not |
| 04:20.42 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 04:20.50 | *** join/#debian yipe (n=yipe@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:20.56 | jello | wookienz: can't think of a reason why you need a desktop... |
| 04:21.43 | wookienz | plus doing evertything from CLI is much more UBER geeky. |
| 04:21.43 | jello | wookienz: what do you use the box for? |
| 04:21.43 | wookienz | webserver, mail server, sql - so no real need. |
| 04:21.43 | jello | then forget it, not worth the resources |
| 04:21.43 | *** join/#debian thelostbutler (n=thelostb@g1spf.jeeves.ask.info) |
| 04:22.37 | jello | wookienz: the best thing about CLI (as opposed to graphical) is that it's scriptable... |
| 04:22.51 | jello | wookienz: makes automation possible/easy |
| 04:22.53 | thelostbutler | hello folks, when i try to run the command top it complains of 'xterm': unknown terminal type. when i try to do less it gives the error WARNING: terminal is not fully functional . would appreciate some help on this |
| 04:23.16 | jello | thelostbutler: when did this start happening? |
| 04:23.37 | jello | thelostbutler: try `export TERM=vt102` |
| 04:23.48 | jello | thelostbutler: and then run top/less/etc... |
| 04:23.53 | cld2 | you should see one of the places I work at... the guys had all these suse boxes and did EVERYTHING with yast via the gui. it was a windows shop for all intent and purpose. I wrote a script to do something and they almost crapped. |
| 04:23.55 | wookienz | yeah fair enough....another question..can i do a search from the command line for a specific phrase inside a file? im looking for a variable in a php file but i have about 20 to look through. |
| 04:24.08 | jello | wookienz: grep |
| 04:24.13 | cld2 | wookienz: you can do find, and then exec on your results a grep |
| 04:24.17 | thelostbutler | jello: probably earlier today. the system has been up for 44 days. i checked the other systems they all have TERM=xterm and they work fine. the setups are all identical running sarge |
| 04:24.21 | cld2 | or, if all the files are in one dir you can just do grep pattern * |
| 04:24.39 | yipe | Is there anything actually wrong with using apt-get, or is it being deprecated purely because aptitude is smarter? |
| 04:24.49 | *** join/#debian jamesrk (n=Metaltro@66-233-228-40.red.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 04:24.59 | cld2 | jello: thanks for the preseed tip :) |
| 04:25.12 | jello | wookienz: find . -name \*.php -print0 | xargs -0 grep -n "phrase" |
| 04:25.17 | jello | cld2: no prob |
| 04:25.27 | thelostbutler | jello: that did not work. it complains of uknown term vt102 |
| 04:25.36 | jello | thelostbutler: ok, so you hosed terminfo |
| 04:25.46 | wookienz | cool...thanks. linux is so suprising! |
| 04:26.14 | jello | thelostbutler: does /lib/terminfo exist? |
| 04:26.22 | *** join/#debian malt (n=maltyz@dsl3-p226.intrstar.net) |
| 04:26.45 | thelostbutler | nope |
| 04:26.48 | jello | thelostbutler: specifically, /lib/terminfo/x/xterm |
| 04:26.49 | thelostbutler | it doesnt |
| 04:27.05 | jello | thelostbutler: ncurses-base |
| 04:27.37 | jello | thelostbutler: that's pretty hard to mess up since it's "Essential: yes" |
| 04:27.46 | jello | thelostbutler: that takes talent! |
| 04:27.59 | Rusty1 | wookienz: you might be interested in something like webmin? |
| 04:28.02 | jello | thelostbutler: did you do an `rm -rf /` by accident? |
| 04:28.14 | *** join/#debian IRCArch (n=IRCArch@81.171.111.142) |
| 04:28.14 | *** join/#debian pokharel (n=pokharel@202.79.37.177) |
| 04:28.23 | thelostbutler | jello: no i didnt |
| 04:28.39 | jello | thelostbutler: anyway, reinstall ncurses-base and you should be alright |
| 04:29.36 | thelostbutler | jello: somebody fucked up the system real bad. dpkg -l gave the error dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 04:29.51 | jello | thelostbutler: that's real bad |
| 04:30.14 | cld2 | jello: does a regular install create a preseed file? kind of like how fedora install makes a kickstart file and then installs from that? |
| 04:30.31 | jello | thelostbutler: run debootstrap on another machine and then copy it over the the messed up system |
| 04:30.36 | *** join/#debian Chmou (n=cboudjna@office.squiz.net) |
| 04:30.48 | jello | cld2: don't know |
| 04:30.54 | cld2 | thanks. |
| 04:30.59 | thelostbutler | jello: okay, will it affect the status of the other system ? |
| 04:31.08 | jello | cld2: there should be stuff on the wiki on how to make one |
| 04:31.24 | jello | thelostbutler: run the debootstrap into /tmp/foobar or something |
| 04:32.06 | jello | thelostbutler: then tar it up, copy it over and untar |
| 04:32.17 | cld2 | jello: yeah reading now. just wondering if there was one hidden in /var somewhere. I have one box done about about 30 more to go. just thought id get lucky. |
| 04:32.34 | *** join/#debian TolstoyInlove (n=TolstoyI@82.115.4.97) |
| 04:32.37 | jello | thelostbutler: then, find the #%&* who did it and teach them a lesson... |
| 04:33.01 | jello | cld2: in that case, you might want to use fai... |
| 04:33.30 | thelostbutler | jello: thanks for the help. i rtfm on debootstrap :) |
| 04:33.46 | jello | thelostbutler: no prob, and good luck |
| 04:33.51 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 04:33.52 | *** join/#debian samigarus (n=ffhong30@218.80.53.60) |
| 04:34.00 | cld2 | jello: oh. ive been looking at fai for a while it looks pretty complicated. this preseed will do what I need. I can just build a pxe boot server and have this preseed file picked up over nfs... or so it seems. reading more now. |
| 04:34.05 | thelostbutler | jello: yeah some one needs a time out in the boiler room |
| 04:34.16 | jello | thelostbutler: heh |
| 04:34.37 | jello | cld2: can't you make the preseed file available via tftp? |
| 04:34.53 | jello | cld2: nfs seems like overkill |
| 04:34.53 | *** join/#debian scruffy (n=scrfy@64.139.226.90) |
| 04:34.54 | cld2 | jello: yeah, anything is an option |
| 04:35.15 | cld2 | jello: just saying that because the 2 controller boxes for this farm already nfs export a crap load of stuff. |
| 04:35.15 | jello | cld2: and you'll need tftp for pxelinux... |
| 04:35.31 | jello | cld2: bah, keep all the install stuff together |
| 04:35.33 | cld2 | yeah, might as well use tftp if its going to have to be there. |
| 04:37.01 | jello | cld2: good luck and let us know how it goes... |
| 04:37.15 | *** join/#debian Em3rald (n=irelandm@dsl-main-66-18-221-110-gib.nucleus.com) |
| 04:37.28 | jello | cld2: in particular, file an install report |
| 04:37.31 | *** join/#debian wizzomafizzo (n=wizzo@unaffiliated/wizzomafizzo) |
| 04:37.35 | cld2 | jello: thanks :) I dont think it will be a problem. Ive been using debian for about a week now at home in prep for this project and by far this is the best distro I have ever used |
| 04:37.51 | cld2 | apt kicks ass |
| 04:37.53 | apt | /kick ass ha! |
| 04:37.54 | jello | cld2: we try had to make/keep it that way |
| 04:38.14 | cld2 | I used to think portage was the way to go.. not any more. |
| 04:38.17 | *** join/#debian samurai (n=samurai@74-134-155-212.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 04:38.52 | jello | building everything from source?! bah |
| 04:38.52 | jello | when would you get real work done? |
| 04:38.52 | Wyzard | cld2: portage isn't bad... my ideal distro would be a sort of hybrid of Debian and Gentoo |
| 04:38.52 | cld2 | yeah, thats what I finally said. |
| 04:38.57 | cld2 | HAHA I work for ibm, I dont do real work I just bill the customer ;) |
| 04:39.08 | *** join/#debian nipra (n=nipra@gnu-india/supporter/nipra) |
| 04:39.13 | jello | cld2: i meant on your home machine... |
| 04:39.19 | jello | but heh |
| 04:39.38 | cld2 | yeah, thats what it came down to. and I wasnt even using gnome or anything like that. |
| 04:39.40 | *** join/#debian samurai (n=samurai@74-134-155-212.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 04:39.47 | jello | Wyzard: what aspects of gentoo do you feel debian is missing? |
| 04:39.50 | cld2 | OpenOffice upgrades and xorg were just killing me. |
| 04:39.52 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:39.57 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ecv170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 04:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 647] by debhelper |
| 04:40.01 | *** join/#debian palandir_ (n=palandir@p54A9DEEA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:40.11 | Em3rald | Alright, so I was recommended to come ask my question here ... though I am not holding my breath. I have an odd, and somewhat silly problem. I am trying to run the debian/unstable (0.6.1) version of a game called ur-quan masters, and when I try to save the game, I get this output in console following a game crash: Warning: Savegame is corrupt ..... 'starcon2.00' is 1186 bytes long ..... uqm: src/sc2code/libs/uio/uiostream.c:485 |
| 04:40.11 | Em3rald | uio_Stream_flushWriteBuffer: Assertion `stream->operation == uio_StreamOperation_write' failed. But permissions are open on the save folder. So, any suggestions? |
| 04:40.57 | ben1756 | Sorry to be redundant, but... |
| 04:41.01 | ben1756 | If I have a newly installed system for which lspci does not display anything what should I be checking to identify the problem? I suspect that udev is not working properly because my 2.4 kernel detects and lists hardware properly and 2.6 doesn't. |
| 04:41.08 | jello | Em3rald: out of space on the device? |
| 04:41.15 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 04:41.21 | *** join/#debian clarity_ (n=clarity@ip68-106-187-233.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:41.24 | jello | ben1756: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 04:41.26 | clarity_ | is eth coming out soon? |
| 04:41.28 | clarity_ | etch |
| 04:41.36 | *** part/#debian vinsci (n=vinsci@unaffiliated/vinsci) |
| 04:41.37 | jello | clarity_: /topic |
| 04:41.39 | ben1756 | yes |
| 04:41.49 | ben1756 | jello: yes |
| 04:41.50 | Em3rald | jello: nope, lotsa space. I thought of that though. I am almost thinking there's a bug in the code where it's not asking for the right save file or something. I am saving to a blank spot in the game though .... |
| 04:41.57 | markybob | !wir |
| 04:41.58 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 04:42.17 | ben1756 | apt lists no conflicts. the 2.6 kernel is a stock debian binary |
| 04:42.22 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:42.32 | jello | Em3rald: try running strace to see what syscall is erroring and what the error is |
| 04:42.36 | Wyzard | jello: USE flags are pretty useful, though they require a source-based approach |
| 04:43.05 | scruffy | Wyzard: wasn't all the compiling in Gentoo ridiculous? |
| 04:43.06 | jnguy | Anyone know if there is anyway to specify additional commands when xscreensaver is activated or deactivated? |
| 04:43.07 | Em3rald | jello: sadly, I am not precisely sure how to do what you are suggesting. |
| 04:43.09 | jello | Wyzard: what, debian doesn't have enough permutations for you? |
| 04:43.32 | jello | Em3rald: apt-get install strace and then read... :) |
| 04:43.37 | Em3rald | aight :D |
| 04:43.50 | jello | Em3rald: or ltrace for that matter... |
| 04:43.52 | *** part/#debian clarity_ (n=clarity@ip68-106-187-233.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:43.53 | *** join/#debian Joachim_ (n=Wykel@p549419D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:44.02 | Em3rald | jello: is there a better of the two? |
| 04:44.32 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 04:44.35 | jello | Em3rald: they work at different levels |
| 04:44.45 | jello | Em3rald: strace is for syscalls |
| 04:44.54 | jello | Em3rald: ltrace is for library calls |
| 04:45.09 | Wyzard | scruffy: That's why I said a hybrid would be ideal... like you'd have binary packages built with a certain set of USE flags and you'd use those typically, but if you wanted to you could do a custom build of a particular package with different USE flags |
| 04:45.18 | jello | Em3rald: for your error, either should suffice |
| 04:45.48 | scruffy | Wyzard: I think you can do something similar to that with deb-src already. |
| 04:45.50 | Em3rald | och ... I have to go anyway. Thanks for the suggestions :D. I may be back later to pick your brain some more. LOL ... don' |
| 04:45.58 | Em3rald | t wait for me though eh? ;) |
| 04:46.06 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:46.10 | Em3rald | cya later |
| 04:46.13 | jello | ben1756: hmm |
| 04:46.16 | ben1756 | more information in case you haven't read my earlier message: the install was from a sarge netinstall disk with a minimal set of packages. |
| 04:46.22 | Maximiliano | IA-32 is the same platform as i386???? |
| 04:46.32 | jello | ben1756: did you install with linux2.6 ? |
| 04:46.33 | scruffy | ben1756: just a wild ass guess, surely /sys exists? |
| 04:47.23 | cld2 | jello: this is going to be dumb but, is the preseed file not using #'s for comments? |
| 04:47.27 | scruffy | ben1756: I see it also accessing /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 04:47.30 | *** join/#debian mmossian (n=root@20-18.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 04:47.38 | jello | cld2: dunno, i would think so... |
| 04:47.46 | ben1756 | I believe so (not certain though) <-about the installer ("linux26") |
| 04:48.47 | jello | cld2: you can ask -boot those kinds of questions... |
| 04:48.50 | markybob | ben1756, yes, linux26 installs a 2.6 kernel. if in doubt, load up the OS and `uname -r` |
| 04:49.28 | cld2 | jello: how do you mean? |
| 04:49.29 | ben1756 | in that case- the installer was 2.4 |
| 04:49.45 | jello | cld2: #debian-boot, they're the d-i people |
| 04:49.55 | ben1756 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.08 | cld2 | oh, sorry. I read that as bot. my eyes are getting fuzzy. thanks. |
| 04:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 04:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 04:50.47 | scruffy | ben1756: lspci doesn't display anything at all. Just back to the prompt? |
| 04:51.08 | ben1756 | scruffy: correct (when booted to the 2.6 kernel) |
| 04:51.40 | *** join/#debian gr1x (n=Administ@221.223.142.200) |
| 04:51.49 | jello | last call... |
| 04:52.11 | ben1756 | operation is fine with 2.4. network devices and everything are detected and configured correctly |
| 04:52.16 | scruffy | ben1756: default deb kernel? |
| 04:52.36 | scruffy | ben1756: CONFIG_SYSFS=y ?? |
| 04:52.42 | *** join/#debian Makenai (n=pawel@ip68-224-128-125.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 04:52.52 | ben1756 | default deb kernel in both cases |
| 04:53.11 | craigevil | anyone know why Etch always freezes when playing streaming media in KDe, using amaroak, xmms, or mplayer? |
| 04:53.24 | jello | hmm, spammers are now using news headlines as the email subject |
| 04:53.37 | ben1756 | the 2.6 kernel package name is: 'linux-image-2.6-686' and I tried 'linux-image-2.6-486' for good measure |
| 04:53.55 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-67-168-52-236.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:54.05 | jello | ben1756: i think in sarge it's kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:54.55 | ben1756 | jello: I did do a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 04:54.57 | Guerin | ben1756: what specific version? linux-image-2.6-* is a metapackage. Should be 2.6.18-3-* or similar |
| 04:55.01 | scruffy | ben1756: see if `strace lspci` gives any clues. it'll spew a lot of output though probably. |
| 04:55.09 | jello | ben1756: ah |
| 04:55.17 | ben1756 | scruffy: 2.6.18-3 |
| 04:55.21 | jello | ben1756: you didn't say that, i thought you were still on sarge... |
| 04:55.31 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:55.58 | scruffy | jello: i've gotten tons of that crap lately (re: spam with those headlines), and nothing is catching them. |
| 04:56.06 | ben1756 | jello: sorry, I think that line might have had a leading slash (oops) |
| 04:56.12 | jello | np |
| 04:56.16 | *** join/#debian marco (n=marco@bl4-215-194.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 04:56.48 | ben1756 | so my guess has been that it's somehow udev-related. is that misguided? |
| 04:57.13 | Guerin | udev has been known to be responsible for the evils of the universe, before |
| 04:57.14 | jello | ben1756: i don't think it's udev |
| 04:57.23 | jello | but i could be wrong |
| 04:57.35 | Guerin | but if lspci isn't reading anything, i'd blame kernel |
| 04:57.43 | jello | Guerin: agreed |
| 04:57.50 | jello | it's probably some missing module... |
| 04:57.50 | Guerin | though I have that same kernel installed on two machines here, no problem on either |
| 04:58.02 | Guerin | one etch install fresh this morning |
| 04:58.09 | ben1756 | I tried both the 486 package and the 686 package. should I make-kpkg my own? |
| 04:58.22 | *** join/#debian shmho (n=user@134.75.55.113) |
| 04:58.33 | ben1756 | (try a vanilla) |
| 04:58.47 | scruffy | ben1756: try update-pciids |
| 04:58.50 | Guerin | ben1756: not much point |
| 04:59.15 | jello | ben1756: can you post the output of lsmod |
| 04:59.18 | Guerin | ben1756: but yeah, try. |
| 04:59.59 | ben1756 | scruffy: well- I am currently booted to 2.6 on that machine, so I don't have network access |
| 05:00.04 | *** join/#debian abrocadabro (n=xchat@87.223.182.173) |
| 05:00.19 | abrocadabro | where can I get nvu package ? |
| 05:00.30 | ben1756 | the system was installed only two days ago- shouldn't they be up-to-date? |
| 05:00.44 | scruffy | ben1756: I'm not positive |
| 05:00.47 | ben1756 | (it was a net install) |
| 05:01.01 | *** join/#debian elik (n=elik@S0106000f668a1eb0.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 05:01.01 | Guerin | ben1756: mine was installed this morning, working fine |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | abrocadabro: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:01.15 | *** join/#debian tenzing_ (n=tenzin@202.144.158.193) |
| 05:01.17 | ben1756 | great news! can I have yours? |
| 05:01.19 | elik | When I shutdown, I see failure messages, but I dont have time to see exactly what it is.. I looked into dmesg and /var/log, but didnt find anything. Where should I look? |
| 05:01.34 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:01.37 | Guerin | ben1756: heh. |
| 05:01.43 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 05:01.50 | ben1756 | Guerin: never hurts to ask |
| 05:02.19 | Guerin | elik: only when you shut down, or when you change to runlevel 1? |
| 05:02.41 | jello | goodnight all! |
| 05:02.55 | elik | Guerin, what is a runlevel :P Honestly, I know what it is, but never change runlevel for fun |
| 05:03.07 | scruffy | ben1756: pretty new hardware on that machine? |
| 05:03.24 | scruffy | elik, Guerin: would bootlogd help? |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | elik: from a root shell, type `init 1' |
| 05:03.53 | abrocadabro | Guerin: it says it is in sarge and newer archs, but apt-cache search nvu doesn't return anything |
| 05:04.12 | abrocadabro | I am using sid BTW |
| 05:04.12 | Guerin | abrocadabro: `it' says? |
| 05:04.14 | scruffy | ben1756: reason I ask is that /usr/share/doc/pciutils/README.gz asks about that as a last resort. |
| 05:04.28 | abrocadabro | dpkg |
| 05:04.44 | abrocadabro | Guerin: I msg dpkg |
| 05:04.58 | ben1756 | scruffy: nope. It's a PIII 800. It does, however have a 3ware card in it, so I would like a 2.6 kernel. |
| 05:04.59 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.178.114.74) |
| 05:05.33 | scruffy | ben1756: yeah I would imagine that mainboard would be supported ok by now. I'm out of ideas.. |
| 05:05.37 | elik | Guerin, ok, so init 1 will change to boot level1, but then what |
| 05:05.47 | ben1756 | scruffy: darn. |
| 05:05.50 | elik | Guerin, messages will stay on the console |
| 05:05.52 | scruffy | ben1756: did you try the strace? |
| 05:05.55 | Guerin | elik: yes. |
| 05:05.58 | elik | Guerin, but how to I come back? |
| 05:06.03 | Guerin | elik: init 2 |
| 05:06.12 | elik | Guerin, will it just affect this console? |
| 05:06.23 | Guerin | elik: no, it'll kill most everything on your machine |
| 05:06.28 | elik | Guerin, or my whole system will go down |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | that's the point; it's similar to a shutdown |
| 05:06.47 | Guerin | (in some superficial ways) |
| 05:06.51 | elik | Guerin, shutdown is runlevel0, right? |
| 05:07.02 | Guerin | elik: yes. |
| 05:07.06 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:07.12 | ben1756 | scruffy: I'm not entirely familiar with strace. is there a certain event that I would run that on/after? |
| 05:07.29 | elik | Guerin, so then, I just restart and that's about it |
| 05:08.41 | scruffy | ben1756: in a nutshell, you can run `strace lspic` and look at the paths of the files it is trying to access. Anything that returns -1 is probably an error, but some errors are OK (e.g. it may check to see if a file exists, but it might not *require* that file). |
| 05:08.52 | scruffy | ben1756: sorry, make that `strace lspci` |
| 05:09.55 | ben1756 | scruffy: I read it as such :-) |
| 05:09.59 | *** join/#debian sabbat__ (n=sabbat@203-206-106-181.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:10.03 | scruffy | ben1756: For example, -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 05:10.41 | ben1756 | the value to the right of each '=' is the return value? |
| 05:11.18 | scruffy | ben1756: for the syscalls right.. |
| 05:11.35 | scruffy | ben1756: lstat(...), open(...), etc. |
| 05:12.07 | ben1756 | scruffy: what would be the appropriate output redirector so that I could pipe it to less? |
| 05:12.38 | ben1756 | scruffy: nevermind. it was wrapping... |
| 05:12.39 | scruffy | ben1756: strace lspci 2>&1 |
| 05:14.32 | *** join/#debian TolstoyInlove (n=TolstoyI@unaffiliated/tolstoyinlove) |
| 05:15.00 | ben1756 | scruffy: access to /etc/ld.so.{nohwcap,preload} generates errors |
| 05:15.33 | *** join/#debian chowmeined (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:15.50 | scruffy | ben1756: no harm done there.. should be ok |
| 05:16.40 | scruffy | ben1756: try this: strace lspci 2>&1 | grep '\-1' | pager |
| 05:16.44 | tenzing_ | hi .. how can i downgrade the firefox that i have on my debian system from 1.5.0.7 to 1.5? |
| 05:16.54 | Rusty1 | and/or perhaps lspci -v ? ben1756 |
| 05:18.43 | ben1756 | there are two additional lines that are turned up by that, but they are in the left expression |
| 05:19.25 | scruffy | ben1756: what is here? `ls -1 /sys/bus/pci/devices` |
| 05:19.39 | scruffy | ben1756: empty, or do you see device IDs? |
| 05:19.54 | ben1756 | scruffy: total 0 |
| 05:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 639] by debhelper |
| 05:20.24 | curt_ | How do you export the kernel version name, like to change how uname-r sees it. |
| 05:20.27 | scruffy | ben1756: <adam savage>there's your problem..</adam savage> |
| 05:21.02 | scruffy | ben1756: and I have no idea why that isn't populated. is there no way to get that machine connected to the Internet? |
| 05:21.17 | *** join/#debian sabren (n=sabren@c-71-199-159-237.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:21.33 | ben1756 | scruffy: I can reboot and select a 2.4 kernel from grub... |
| 05:21.40 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 05:23.18 | *** part/#debian sabren (n=sabren@c-71-199-159-237.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:23.58 | scruffy | ben1756: I don't think that'll help. I wish I knew more about this. still looking though. |
| 05:26.43 | *** join/#debian overnout (i=ULhflKf9@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 05:26.48 | scruffy | ben1756: I would imagine the debian kernels include this, but it wouldn't hurt to check /boot/config-* for the presence of CONFIG_SYSFS=y and CONFIG_PROC_FS=y |
| 05:27.45 | scruffy | ben1756: on my etch system it doesn't matter, but you have tried running lspci as root, right? |
| 05:27.49 | ben1756 | scruffy: the system behaves perfectly (minus the treatment of the 3ware card as a block device) when booted to a 2.4 kernel. |
| 05:28.34 | *** part/#debian lnast (n=cast@li2-31.members.linode.com) |
| 05:28.50 | scruffy | ben1756: so in essence you're trying to use lspci on 2.6 to check on the 3ware card? |
| 05:30.12 | *** join/#debian dewey (n=dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:30.15 | ben1756 | scruffy: well- I'd like to see if- of course, but I would just like to return the machine to the previous configuration that it was running before. I had a hard drive die that took the installation with it. |
| 05:30.27 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 05:31.25 | *** join/#debian PaSurf (n=1896cf3d@68-185-24-98.static.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 05:31.47 | *** join/#debian bobbyz (i=zeus@c-75-71-146-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:32.01 | *** part/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE000e0c057fad-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:32.09 | *** part/#debian bobbyz (i=zeus@c-75-71-146-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:32.16 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE000e0c057fad-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:33.49 | *** join/#debian telexicon (n=will_@c-71-231-166-10.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:34.23 | ben1756 | scruffy: it was running 2.6 before and when booted to a 2.6 kernel in this new installation, nothing whatsoever is detected |
| 05:35.07 | scruffy | ben1756: same mainboard I take it since it was just a hard disk failure? |
| 05:35.38 | jesdynf | So. Mplayer and Firefox from testing. Should they work out of the box, or do I need to configure Firefox to use it? |
| 05:35.44 | ben1756 | scruffy: yep. everything is the same. even -I think- the method of installation |
| 05:36.01 | scruffy | ben1756: any problem suspects show up in `dmesg | pager`? |
| 05:36.19 | PaSurf | Just out of curiosity, I have a system with dual power supplies. I also have a UPS but only have a limited amount of outlets. One, do I connect surge protector to the outlet then distribute outlets or plug one into UPS and other into surge protector (so if power goes out, one will still be working)? |
| 05:37.57 | jesdynf | PaSurf: My hunch is to go with two different sources. |
| 05:38.12 | scruffy | ben1756: SYSFS and PROCFS kernel entries should be responsible for populating that information on boot I think. |
| 05:38.21 | scruffy | ben1756: hey, what does this say? `lspci -G` |
| 05:38.25 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-2-46.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:39.16 | PaSurf | jesdynf: sounds good, what UPS would you recommend that works best with Debian (for auto shut down (similar to parachute))? |
| 05:39.26 | PaSurf | or for that matter linux? |
| 05:39.40 | jesdynf | PaSurf: I wouldn't recommend one, I dunno anything about the topic. |
| 05:39.49 | PaSurf | Ah.... |
| 05:39.50 | jesdynf | PaSurf: (: |
| 05:40.10 | jesdynf | PaSurf: Sorry. I know the general mechanics, but I don't play with toys that big. |
| 05:40.54 | PaSurf | np, just had my ups go out, but moving towards linux so wanna be prepared... |
| 05:41.04 | scruffy | PaSurf: try here: http://www.networkupstools.org/compat/ |
| 05:41.43 | *** join/#debian MajorPayne (n=major@blk-222-125-67.eastlink.ca) |
| 05:42.12 | PaSurf | sruffy: that totally helps! Thanks! |
| 05:42.15 | PaSurf | :) |
| 05:42.16 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 05:42.51 | scruffy | PaSurf: great |
| 05:44.21 | *** join/#debian ttick (n=tibetian@c-71-63-28-199.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 05:44.39 | ben1756 | scruffy: sorry (distraction IRL). I didn't see any problems reported by dmesg at first glance. lspci -G says: "Trying method 1......using /sys/bus/pci...OK; Decided to use Linux-sysfs" |
| 05:45.36 | scruffy | ben1756: mine says that too, but my /sys isn't void of pci IDs. OK that is strange. try `lspci -H 2` as root |
| 05:45.41 | *** join/#debian san (i=san@211.168.152.85) |
| 05:47.33 | ben1756 | scruffy: 'lspci -H 2' yields nothing |
| 05:49.36 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 05:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 05:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 05:52.05 | MajorPayne | How do I add a directory to every users $PATH varable? |
| 05:52.11 | *** join/#debian b00t (n=b00t@222.178.152.81) |
| 05:53.24 | *** join/#debian i3d (n=i3dmaste@c-71-196-147-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:53.32 | scruffy | ben1756: although I'm out of ideas, I think that's a starting point.. /sys isn't being told about anything, but I don't have any ideas why, unless something isn't running on boot that should be (not sure what). |
| 05:53.55 | yipe | Is there anything actually wrong with using apt-get, or is it being deprecated purely because aptitude is smarter? |
| 05:54.45 | scruffy | MajorPayne: try /etc/profile |
| 05:56.05 | MajorPayne | scruffy: Ahh, thankyou, now will this come into efect as soon as I log the next user in? I don't need to reboot the system right? |
| 05:57.01 | *** join/#debian nipra (n=nipra@gnu-india/supporter/nipra) |
| 05:57.16 | scruffy | MajorPayne: should not have to reboot, no |
| 05:57.31 | MajorPayne | scruffy: Ahh, thanks |
| 05:57.50 | ben1756 | scruffy: thank you so much for the help. |
| 05:58.08 | Guerin | mm, what's a good way to thrash a disk, one which passes a fsck and a badblocks scan but still throws errors? |
| 05:58.22 | Guerin | a harddisk, i mean. and i/o errors. |
| 05:58.25 | ben1756 | scruffy: I think I will try an etch installation from cd media an see how that goes. I'll be back and let you know if I find anything out |
| 05:58.27 | scruffy | ben1756: wish I could have done more, but I need to learn more about how that works :( |
| 05:58.37 | *** join/#debian pathway (n=pathway@donobi-26-90.ra.donobi.net) |
| 05:58.45 | enouf | ben1756: hold asec |
| 05:58.58 | ben1756 | enouf: ok |
| 05:59.13 | enouf | ben1756: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 05:59.27 | MajorPayne | scruffy: You were right, didn't have to re boot, just had to re log in |
| 05:59.27 | MajorPayne | thanks |
| 05:59.42 | scruffy | ben1756: I'll be back later. If you figure it what the problem was, I've love to know too. |
| 05:59.47 | scruffy | MajorPayne: no problem |
| 05:59.50 | ben1756 | enouf: normal restart |
| 06:00.02 | *** join/#debian l0 (n=Stuart@CPE000e0c057fad-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:00.02 | enouf | ben1756: try lspci again? |
| 06:00.16 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 06:00.18 | ben1756 | enouf: still nothing |
| 06:00.39 | scruffy | enouf: I don't have udev on 2.6.x and my lspci is rockin as usual :( |
| 06:00.48 | enouf | ben1756: ok .. walk through the scripts that return from a grep -ir sysfs /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 06:00.58 | pathway | Hey everyone... Etch comming soon? Webpage news says "December 2006"... and we're past that now. Was it pushed back? |
| 06:01.00 | enouf | scruffy: that's ok .. :-) |
| 06:01.22 | enouf | ben1756: also these grep -ir sysfs /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:02.06 | Guerin | pathway: apparently woody has been moved off the mirrors ... so yes, soon. |
| 06:02.20 | *** join/#debian jusson (n=chatzill@bb220-255-213-167.singnet.com.sg) |
| 06:02.35 | jusson | something wrong. |
| 06:02.41 | enouf | scruffy: I wasn't impying thatlspci wouldn't worek .. (it's part of pciutils IIRC) .. just trying to ascertain why/how he updated/upgraded .. but missed something, and it don't seem Xorg bug |
| 06:02.43 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 06:02.50 | scruffy | good candidate /etc/rcS.d/S02mountkernfs.sh, would explain it.. ok im really gone for a while now. :D |
| 06:03.09 | enouf | me too .. just had a quick chance to chime |
| 06:03.17 | pathway | Guerin: Wow. Thanks for the info. |
| 06:03.33 | jusson | is something wrong with this repo? Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages |
| 06:03.35 | jusson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.39 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 06:04.07 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 06:04.43 | jusson | eh? |
| 06:04.54 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 06:05.30 | Guerin | pathway: of course, it's anyone's guess as to how soon soon is ;) |
| 06:06.05 | Guerin | jusson: apparently so. Either that, or something wrong with your sources.list line. |
| 06:06.19 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@zr198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 06:06.28 | enouf | ben1756: thinking you should've perhaps dist-upgraded (or just fully updated and upgraded with Sarge) PRIOR to (moving up to etch) the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade once you altered sources.list |
| 06:06.30 | jusson | i'll reproduce it, hang on. |
| 06:07.18 | jusson | this is my sources.list line. deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian etch main |
| 06:07.43 | pathway | Guerin: I'm looking forward to it. Kudos to all debian developers for your hard work! |
| 06:08.10 | jusson | pathway: looking forward to what? |
| 06:08.15 | *** join/#debian pitillo (n=pitillo@81-202-120-201.user.ono.com) |
| 06:08.41 | pathway | jusson: Debian Etch release... any day now. |
| 06:09.01 | pathway | jusson: Clarrification -- Debian Etch STABLE release. |
| 06:09.07 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 06:09.07 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:09.14 | *** join/#debian shogunx (n=shogunx@rrcs-71-41-232-98.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:09.15 | Guerin | !factinfo sing sarge |
| 06:09.16 | dpkg | sing sarge -- created by Guerin <~magpie@220.123.169.70> at Thu Oct 21 02:50:46 2004 (813 days); it has been requested 530 times, last by Guerin, 9s ago. |
| 06:09.22 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:09.29 | Guerin | that was created on October 21, 2004 |
| 06:09.35 | pathway | Ha! |
| 06:09.45 | Guerin | sarge's eventual release date was, iirc, 17 June 2005 |
| 06:09.54 | pathway | Now i'm curiuos... what's the next release going to be called? |
| 06:10.03 | Guerin | I *genuinely* thought sarge would release soon when I made that factoid. |
| 06:10.07 | ben1756 | enouf: I don't follow |
| 06:10.13 | Guerin | pathway: lenny |
| 06:10.45 | pathway | lenny.... Which one was lenny? *digs through dvd pile looking for Toy Story* |
| 06:10.51 | Guerin | binoculars |
| 06:11.05 | Guerin | this should be a very ... forward-looking release |
| 06:11.16 | MajorPayne | I should have waited for etch |
| 06:11.28 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-19-16.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:11.31 | pathway | MajorPayne: it's going to be an easy upgrade. |
| 06:11.38 | Guerin | MajorPayne: not really. You can upgrade. |
| 06:11.59 | MajorPayne | yea, I know apt does a lot of the work for me |
| 06:12.03 | pathway | Can't think of another OS that's as easy (and not based on debian). |
| 06:12.05 | MajorPayne | will I have to worry about all my config files? |
| 06:12.12 | *** join/#debian taylorjonl (n=taylorjo@c-67-166-102-137.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 06:12.16 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-67-168-52-236.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:12.24 | Guerin | etch is shiny too |
| 06:12.48 | Guerin | i just installed an etch box with all the trimmings (gnome, eww) for my sister, and it works like a charm |
| 06:12.51 | *** join/#debian cableroy_ (n=cableroy@212.33.147.59) |
| 06:12.54 | MajorPayne | so will sid become testing? or how does the names work? |
| 06:13.01 | jusson | when etch becomes stable, will sid becomes etch? |
| 06:13.03 | Guerin | looks good, performs well, even on a p3-1000 with 256MB |
| 06:13.21 | Guerin | MajorPayne: sid is always unstable. A new testing, called `lenny' will be created |
| 06:13.26 | PumpkinPie | jusson: woody will become sid |
| 06:13.29 | Guerin | !etch upgrade path |
| 06:13.29 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once etch has stabilised: If your sources.list says "sarge" you'll stay with sarge. If it says "etch", you'll upgrade to etch. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to etch, the new stable. If it says "testing", your etch boxwill upgrade to lenny, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 06:13.34 | PumpkinPie | jusson: sarge will become etch |
| 06:13.39 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: badger will become mushroom |
| 06:13.41 | jusson | :D |
| 06:13.44 | pathway | MajorPayne: depends... I still use Woody for a lot of my stuff. (due to the lack of a need to upgrade a very old server). The behavior may have changed... but dpkg would normilay ask what I want to do with the new file. |
| 06:13.49 | ben1756 | enouf: sorry. I did do an update and upgrade before changins sources.list |
| 06:14.02 | *** join/#debian jokker_fr (n=jokker_f@ip68-228-57-142.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 06:14.18 | MajorPayne | ahh, ok |
| 06:14.34 | Guerin | yeh, debconf still asks before nuking config files |
| 06:14.49 | jusson | i still cannot get splashy to work on etch. anyone had that working? |
| 06:14.53 | Guerin | there would be mass killings if it didn't |
| 06:15.10 | Guerin | jusson: i did on sid some months ago |
| 06:15.18 | MajorPayne | I currently run Debian on an R31 ThinkPad with 1GHz intel procesor with 256 mb ram. I don't use it like a laptop, it just sits on my floor and acts as a toy |
| 06:15.28 | pathway | Is there a way to have debconf to never ask questions... for the sake of remote "apt-get update"ing and scripte updating? |
| 06:15.39 | pathway | I'll have to go read it's man. |
| 06:16.11 | enouf | ben1756: ok .. was away for a minute |
| 06:16.25 | MajorPayne | so, if I want to keep my old config files, yet the packages that are updating has a new style of confg, what would happen? |
| 06:16.28 | enouf | but whatever .. something needs 'redoing' :-) |
| 06:16.32 | *** part/#debian yipe (n=yipe@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com) |
| 06:16.45 | jusson | fr what had been said above, it would be better to use terms like 'stable' and 'testing' in the sources.list than woody or etch. |
| 06:16.56 | ben1756 | enouf: that's certainly alright. I'm dealing with an emotional crisis at the same time as my 'debian crisis' :-P |
| 06:17.09 | enouf | ben1756: does mount show tmpfs as /dev/shm ? |
| 06:17.19 | enouf | heh |
| 06:17.36 | enouf | your holding up well there youngun |
| 06:17.45 | ben1756 | enouf: no. it lists it as /lib/init/rw |
| 06:17.52 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (i=asd@c-24-21-116-29.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 06:17.53 | enouf | ben1756: really? |
| 06:18.09 | enouf | ben1756: something funky there I think |
| 06:18.38 | enouf | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 06:18.49 | pathway | MajorPayne: If you did an update, and it saw the updated file... it would ask you: Overwrite, Keep existing... or a third option (like drop to shell or something). |
| 06:18.59 | enouf | is what's here ,, restart /etc/init.d/udev-mtab ... |
| 06:19.19 | ben1756 | df -h lists 'tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw' |
| 06:19.21 | enouf | Sorry ben1756 |
| 06:19.27 | MajorPayne | pathway: Ahh, I'm sure I will figure it out, I didn't change too many config files, and when I did I only did something like add a one linner |
| 06:19.33 | enouf | it's in /etc/rcS.d |
| 06:19.48 | enouf | it's this --> /etc/rcS.d/S36udev-mtab: mount -f -o size=$tmpfs_size,mode=0755 -t tmpfs tmpfs $udev_root |
| 06:20.14 | MajorPayne | I changed my /etc/init.d quite a bit, will upgrading effect that at all? |
| 06:20.38 | anapivirtua_ | Cya |
| 06:20.47 | *** join/#debian shogunx (n=shogunx@rrcs-71-41-232-98.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:20.53 | pathway | MajorPayne: What did you do to /etc/init.d? Add new items? |
| 06:21.08 | MajorPayne | pathway: I shut down any server I didn't need and added my own |
| 06:21.36 | MajorPayne | I used update-rc.d, I didn't just go in adhoc and do as I please |
| 06:21.50 | pathway | ah... |
| 06:22.01 | pathway | MajorPayne: You're fine. It should even keep your settings. |
| 06:22.18 | enouf | bah .. all i know ben1756 is a little about udev et al .. I think udev needs the 10MB setup via mtab as well as sysfs and usbfs to initialize the nodes in /dev/.static/dev before it actually assigns a /dev/{sc|hd}XX name to it .. or uses MAKEDEV or whatever |
| 06:22.21 | MajorPayne | pathway: Ok, cause I created my own script for a Teamspeak server that I run |
| 06:22.46 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 06:22.57 | MajorPayne | I don't realy want it messing with that, but since Debian doesn't even know what teamspeak is, I'm sure it will be ok |
| 06:23.08 | pathway | MajorPayne: If you made your own script... as long as there wasn't something it wanted to install with the exact same name... it won't be a problem. |
| 06:23.09 | enouf | ben1756: ^^ when you get to it .. gotta kinda drift away now myself .. hope you get it |
| 06:23.21 | MajorPayne | pathway: Ahh, I will be fine |
| 06:23.25 | MajorPayne | thanks |
| 06:23.27 | pathway | I like Teamspeak too... had it on my debian box for a long time. |
| 06:24.06 | MajorPayne | Yea, I most of my friends use it, I will never let them down and stop running that |
| 06:24.09 | MajorPayne | as long as they still use it |
| 06:24.18 | enouf | what's teamspeak? heh |
| 06:24.28 | pathway | anybody here try TekTonik virtual hosting? they offer a decent virtual host (Root access and all) running debian for $15 a month... Any oppinions? |
| 06:24.40 | MajorPayne | enouf: it's a VoIP program |
| 06:24.53 | enouf | like party talking? |
| 06:25.07 | enouf | conference calling? |
| 06:25.11 | MajorPayne | enouf: yes, most people use it for games |
| 06:25.16 | MajorPayne | I use it for just talking |
| 06:25.21 | MajorPayne | don't play much games at all anymore |
| 06:25.26 | enouf | oh .. games over voip .. hrm |
| 06:25.30 | pathway | enouf: Teamspeak is a Voice over IP program for gamers. It allows multiple people to join room(s) and chat using the computer's mic and speakers. |
| 06:25.35 | MajorPayne | like a conference call, but free |
| 06:25.56 | *** join/#debian clocked (n=clocker@mrrsmb01bb2-ac01-63-68.dial.mts.net) |
| 06:25.58 | MajorPayne | free as in no long distance calls, not free as in Debian |
| 06:26.05 | enouf | pretty cool I guess ..sure .. who can type with a controller in their hands :-) |
| 06:26.22 | enouf | MajorPayne: got that part .. :-0 |
| 06:26.26 | El_Guillermo | yep |
| 06:26.50 | enouf | ok .. really .. as scruffy says .. I really must fade .. thanks folks see ya |
| 06:26.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:26.52 | MajorPayne | enouf: lol, or more like who wants to type when people are shooting at you when you are playing CS |
| 06:27.03 | Guerin | this box has an Ambient HaM modem in it |
| 06:27.07 | enouf | yeah .. hehe |
| 06:27.09 | MajorPayne | much better just to yell |
| 06:27.18 | Guerin | Ambient were bought out by intel, who released linux drivers for it! |
| 06:27.34 | Guerin | but they appear to not be 2.6worthy |
| 06:27.47 | MajorPayne | will etch be 1.6? |
| 06:27.50 | MajorPayne | err, 2.6 |
| 06:28.06 | Guerin | by default, yes |
| 06:28.16 | Guerin | 2.4 is an option for those who live in teh past |
| 06:28.42 | MajorPayne | lol, I like stable because I hardly ever have problmes with it, but I also don't like to live any more in the past than I have to |
| 06:29.19 | pathway | Guerin: How does somebody of limited programing and scripting expertise (such as myself) create a .deb? I would love to see a .deb of zoneminder (www.zoneminder.org) and if it's not too difficult, I'd be willing to take a shot at it myself. |
| 06:29.27 | MajorPayne | I remember when I first installed debian, I think it was woody, it asked me if I wanted to use 2.2 |
| 06:29.57 | Guerin | pathway: using checkinstall |
| 06:30.09 | pathway | hrm... brb *googling* |
| 06:30.16 | Guerin | pathway: simple as fakeroot checkinstall -D in the source tree |
| 06:30.20 | Guerin | pathway: it lives in apt |
| 06:30.49 | Guerin | doesn't always work perfectly, but normally requires no more than tweaking a library path or such |
| 06:30.51 | *** join/#debian Xorm (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-215-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 06:30.52 | *** join/#debian Xormic (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-215-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 06:31.25 | *** join/#debian scx (n=scx@189.136.209.253) |
| 06:31.50 | pathway | Awesome... I've built it on a CentOS box... there are a lot of dependancies... but I might be moving the server over to debian... especialy if Debian Etch supports the SAS controller on my server. |
| 06:32.18 | *** join/#debian jinda2 (n=jindal@220.227.97.99) |
| 06:32.46 | Guerin | eh |
| 06:32.50 | *** join/#debian rob1 (i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob) |
| 06:33.00 | pathway | eh? |
| 06:33.00 | Guerin | building a kernel will get you support for that controller |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | nothing to do with the underlying OS |
| 06:33.31 | Guerin | ah well, the HaM driver died horribly on 2.6 |
| 06:33.32 | MajorPayne | Ok, I am trying to get gnome to work over ssh with cigwin/X, I have cigwin/X configured that it will let me start any gui application and it works fine. Should I be using gnome by typing startx in putty (using x tunneling) or shold I do it some other way? |
| 06:33.34 | *** join/#debian aliasd (n=isaac@trajan-snat.snc.schools.net.au) |
| 06:33.38 | Guerin | that's life, I guess |
| 06:33.46 | MajorPayne | should* |
| 06:34.17 | Gnea | MajorPayne: why would you want to run an Xserver on top of an Xserver? |
| 06:34.19 | *** join/#debian tasata (n=tasata@dsl-hpo-feebfb00-54.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:34.32 | aliasd | heyas, i need to change a dep in a .deb package, can i do this without rebuilding the package completely? |
| 06:34.41 | MajorPayne | Gnea: I was thinking that too, but I'm not sure how I can start gnome any other way, just gnome? |
| 06:34.49 | Gnea | MajorPayne: try it :) |
| 06:35.08 | MajorPayne | command not found |
| 06:35.13 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:35.14 | MajorPayne | gnome-session? |
| 06:35.18 | Gnea | maybe |
| 06:35.21 | Gnea | i dunno.. |
| 06:35.25 | Gnea | i don't run gnome |
| 06:35.29 | MajorPayne | woo, doing something |
| 06:35.31 | scruffy | ben1756: the /lib/init/rw thing sounds strange |
| 06:35.43 | MajorPayne | humm |
| 06:35.45 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 06:35.49 | Gnea | man, i wish #bash was awake right now |
| 06:36.04 | MajorPayne | ohh |
| 06:36.05 | MajorPayne | whops |
| 06:36.11 | ben1756 | scruffy: I'll pursue that then. |
| 06:36.13 | aliasd | the package pretty much contains a perl module... i just need to change a dep for perlapi to perl-bas so it will install right in sarge |
| 06:36.22 | ben1756 | night everyone and thanks for the help |
| 06:36.36 | aliasd | perl-base even |
| 06:36.51 | scruffy | ben1756: you on i386? |
| 06:37.08 | ben1756 | it's a 686 processor |
| 06:37.11 | scruffy | ben1756: er.. x86 |
| 06:37.16 | ben1756 | yeah |
| 06:37.17 | MajorPayne | I forgot that cigwin/X has it's own windowmanager, I think I shut that off first, it looks real strange right now |
| 06:37.37 | Gnea | anyone wanna help me take a stab at creating a function or set of functions to handle some data? http://pastebin.ca/313881 |
| 06:37.40 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-2-46.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:37.54 | pathway | MajorPayne: what are you trying to run from Gnome, exactly? |
| 06:38.14 | MajorPayne | pathway: nothing, just playing around, trying to see if I can get it to work |
| 06:38.26 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 06:38.27 | MajorPayne | I can run all the GUI applications just fine, just want to see if I can run all of gnome |
| 06:38.52 | pathway | Sounds like you have it workng perfectly. |
| 06:38.54 | *** part/#debian hagi (n=hagi@adsl-89-217-128-245.adslplus.ch) |
| 06:39.30 | MajorPayne | pathway: yea, but it tryed to open three different windows when I typed gnome-session, one for the desktop, one for the top pannel, and one for the bottom, I just need to play around with the settings for cigwin/X |
| 06:39.31 | scruffy | ben1756: everything look ok here? ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info | grep pciutils |
| 06:39.52 | scruffy | ben1756: say, 5 files in there |
| 06:40.10 | *** part/#debian malt (n=maltyz@dsl3-p226.intrstar.net) |
| 06:40.15 | ben1756 | scruffy: yeah. a full set |
| 06:40.16 | Guerin | ah well, if she needs a modem I guess I can build it for 2.4 |
| 06:40.55 | *** join/#debian BasL (n=nnnnnnnb@tuxmachine.xs4all.nl) |
| 06:40.57 | Guerin | oh, in other news: david beckham is officially past it |
| 06:40.59 | scruffy | ben1756: nothing weird displayed in the permissions? No srange question marks? |
| 06:41.24 | ben1756 | scruffy: hehe. nope :-) |
| 06:41.41 | pathway | *probably sounding completely stupid* Who's david beckham? |
| 06:41.57 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-147-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:42.20 | scruffy | ben1756: until someone can help you figure out what's going with that, have a peek at the lswh package |
| 06:42.26 | Gnea | !fgi |
| 06:42.27 | dpkg | fgi is, like, http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 06:42.33 | scruffy | ben1756: sorry, make that lshw |
| 06:43.15 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 06:44.00 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=bryant@cpe-24-193-206-168.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 06:44.09 | Guerin | pathway: a formerly-great footballer who is now an irrelevant pin-up |
| 06:44.39 | Guerin | pathway: former captain of England who's now signed with the Los Angeles Galaxy, i mean ;) |
| 06:45.07 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.27 | *** join/#debian eiftoe (n=root@c-c883e055.64-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:45.37 | Guerin | maddash: add it yourself. How is documented, though the syntax is awful. |
| 06:45.48 | maddash | Guerin: where's the doc? |
| 06:45.55 | scruffy | maddash: look at --install in update-alternatives --help |
| 06:45.56 | maddash | Guerin: and it's not man update-alt |
| 06:45.57 | Guerin | maddash: man update-alternatives, freakishly |
| 06:46.03 | Guerin | huh |
| 06:46.10 | maddash | anyone else? |
| 06:46.14 | Guerin | it is for me |
| 06:46.25 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 06:46.30 | maddash | middle-button it over |
| 06:46.45 | Guerin | www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/update-alternatives.8.html |
| 06:47.08 | Guerin | best hostname EVAR |
| 06:47.23 | aliasd | could someone please give me some pointers on the easiest way to modify a control file within a deb? |
| 06:47.36 | Guerin | aliasd: #debian-mentors is the place for this question |
| 06:47.45 | aliasd | thanks :) |
| 06:48.15 | *** join/#debian norland (n=chatzill@bb219-74-239-120.singnet.com.sg) |
| 06:48.36 | maddash | hmm, so the man page tells of `editor` being a symlink, but where? |
| 06:48.48 | maddash | how can I list all symlinx at once? |
| 06:48.57 | *** part/#debian norland (n=chatzill@bb219-74-239-120.singnet.com.sg) |
| 06:49.15 | ben1756 | scruffy: thanks. I'll check in the morning |
| 06:49.33 | *** part/#debian ben1756 (n=erik@c-24-118-202-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 06:49.34 | scruffy | ben1756: good luck. I may be around tomorrow and I'll look around again for some answers. |
| 06:49.44 | hark | maddash: galternatives might be easier |
| 06:50.21 | *** part/#debian eiftoe (n=root@c-c883e055.64-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:50.26 | *** join/#debian cableroy (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 06:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 06:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 06:50.35 | maddash | hark: that's odd. I don't have it. is it standard? |
| 06:50.50 | enouf | maddash: run updatedb and look again .. also see /etc/alternatives for the choices in etch/sid |
| 06:51.14 | hark | maddash: install it.. |
| 06:52.16 | aliasd | hmm.... ##debian-mentors is a bit quiet :( |
| 06:52.23 | enouf | I recall seeing them in /var/*/dpkg/alterenatives on sarge? |
| 06:53.03 | *** join/#debian fredforfaen (n=thomas@216-2-136.0512.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 06:54.08 | enouf | scruffy: didn't he say that he had no interenet in 2.6 |
| 06:54.10 | enouf | ? |
| 06:54.21 | enouf | so couldn;t update or something? |
| 06:54.38 | Guerin | aliasd: probably a timezone thing |
| 06:54.58 | aliasd | heh i guess so |
| 06:55.21 | scruffy | enouf: I think he hadn't gotten it configured for connection yet |
| 06:56.03 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=fireba11@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:56.09 | maddash | figured it out in 2min. I own. |
| 06:56.28 | *** join/#debian fantomas (i=foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 06:56.57 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-197-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:57.06 | maddash | hark: thanks, anyway |
| 06:57.11 | fantomas | Hi. How to correctly unpack modules from openafs-modules-source to kernel source to get it compiled with it? |
| 06:57.33 | fantomas | I mean where to unpack them? |
| 06:57.34 | maddash | does anyone here have a problem with icewm's ctrl+alt+d? specifically, it fails to restore all windows after minimizing them? |
| 06:57.49 | Guerin | fantomas: will it build with m-a |
| 06:57.50 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:57.59 | fantomas | Guerin: sorry what? |
| 06:57.59 | maddash | and yes, Guerin, I did ask in #icewm and it's likes |
| 06:58.29 | enouf | scruffy: there's something screwy with that config .. I'm thinking a hardware error at bootup or some weird kernel cmdline option (like irqpoll=) that's messing up the way the devices are reporting to the system .. iow trhe hardware isn't even working, cause perhaps it can'r assign IRQs or something .. whatever |
| 06:58.43 | Guerin | fantomas: m-a is module-assistant; it's a bunch of scripts for automating this soft of malarkey. Run m-a prepare && m-a a-i openafs-modules-source and see what gives |
| 06:59.06 | fantomas | Guerin: oh, yeah, I know. No I don't use it since my kernel is not from debian repository |
| 06:59.36 | Guerin | fantomas: doesn't matter, if you have the headers available |
| 07:00.16 | Guerin | fantomas: but to answer your question, I don't know but would guess it doesn't matter where it's *built* as much as where it ends up being installed, as long as it can find the kernel headers |
| 07:01.11 | scruffy | enouf: there is no telling. I'm going to look again tomorrow if he is around. for now I'm going to have to peel back the covers. |
| 07:01.14 | enouf | scruffy: iow how could the system work with no PCI IDs .. heh |
| 07:01.28 | Guerin | ok, who's cooler, han solo or indiana jones? |
| 07:01.31 | fantomas | Guerin: so I need to start compiling in the dir where I extracted modules? I don't get it :( |
| 07:01.57 | *** part/#debian scruffy (n=scrfy@64.139.226.90) |
| 07:01.58 | enouf | Indi |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | fantomas: are they not documented? Are they a set of patches to a kernel tree? Have they their own makefile? I can't answer any of these questions, but YOU can. |
| 07:02.28 | Guerin | i reckon Indy is cooler as well |
| 07:02.46 | enouf | hans solo was an 80's poser |
| 07:02.49 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 07:03.16 | enouf | er .. I'm thinkin of skywalkere hehe |
| 07:03.21 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:03.40 | enouf | shows you how much i got into star wars |
| 07:03.46 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 07:04.14 | Guerin | i bought my wife a life-size cardboard-cut-out Chewbacca for her 18th birthday |
| 07:04.27 | Guerin | or maybe her 19th |
| 07:04.28 | Guerin | i forget |
| 07:04.54 | enouf | that's pretty cool ... |
| 07:05.08 | *** join/#debian rgsteele (n=chatzill@nat-pool.agora-net.com) |
| 07:05.18 | Guerin | we kept it in the front hallway of our house to scare off people who peeked in the windows |
| 07:05.19 | enouf | and something else too I'd think ? |
| 07:05.30 | Guerin | didn't need to buy her one of those |
| 07:05.33 | enouf | hehe .. scarecrow on halloween |
| 07:06.12 | enouf | what was that silly jonathan lithgow movie with the big seti thingy? |
| 07:06.26 | enouf | Jumangi? |
| 07:06.32 | enouf | bah |
| 07:06.37 | Guerin | life's too shhort for shit movies, so I don't know |
| 07:07.50 | jinda2 | hello guys, am looking for software cable of judging a programming contest in real time... it should accept source code file(c optionally c++, java) compile it, and test against some test cases to judge the solution...... any suggestions? |
| 07:08.07 | fantomas | Guerin: I follow instructions from openafs README.modules. They say install openafs-modules-source and then untar it to /usr/src. Well I got 'modules/openafs/...' directory there after with sources in there. Documentation is there too but there is no Debian-specific notes. Would you take a look on this instructions: http://neganov.ru/people/edeth/README.modules The section is called 'make-kpkg'.. |
| 07:09.06 | *** join/#debian rgsteele (n=chatzill@nat-pool.agora-net.com) |
| 07:09.14 | fantomas | Guerin: the question is how to get this modules available to kernel to make-kpkg kernel_image after all |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=fireba11@145.253.117.242) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian fredforfaen (n=thomas@216-2-136.0512.adsl.tele2.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian Xormic (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-215-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (i=asd@c-24-21-116-29.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian cableroy_ (n=cableroy@212.33.147.59) |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian pitillo (n=pitillo@81-202-120-201.user.ono.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.15 | *** join/#debian nipra (n=nipra@gnu-india/supporter/nipra) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.178.114.74) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#debian abrocadabro (n=xchat@87.223.182.173) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#debian muh2000_ (n=muh2000@p57A58063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#debian MKR (n=mkr@75.117.38.194) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#debian slummer (n=bxbxb@cpe-65-25-141-169.columbus.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.22 | *** join/#debian kakarot (n=kakarot@200.Red-83-39-243.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:11.22 | *** join/#debian hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@69.89.195.237) |
| 07:11.22 | *** join/#debian nn-main (n=knoppix@pool-70-110-218-198.phil.east.verizon.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.22 | *** join/#debian Kuko-Away (n=kuko@wnpgmb01dc2-133-156.dynamic.mts.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian MaliutaWrk (n=nikolai@fw.hitwise.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian asg (n=asg@cpe-071-075-255-238.carolina.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian Guerin (n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian KaiSVK (n=kavoi01@87.244.199.38) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@unaffiliated/raf256) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian hoepen (n=hoepen@thor.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian rallred (n=nobody@64.193.228.251) |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian crookshanks (n=stephej1@160.129.129.156) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (i=burek@islands.iskon.hr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian S2AnGeL (n=S2AnGeL@CPE000f66bd2bf3-CM000039529869.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.158) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d192-24-106-202.try.wideopenwest.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian EdwardElric (i=fullmeta@d47-69-229-142.nap.wideopenwest.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian mirezwer (n=mire@99-166-222-85.adsl.verat.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian Annexx (n=annexx@dsl-243-102-193.telkomadsl.co.za) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian ecgw (n=x@cm247.sigma200.maxonline.com.sg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian telmich (i=telmich@gpm/telmich) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian _joey (n=joey@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian Ronin (n=jason@CPE00609784918f-CM00080d77ee84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian yang (n=yang@cpe-213-157-253-172.dynamic.amis.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian nitzer (n=nitzer@unaffiliated/nitzer) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian scoopex (n=scoopex@256bit.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian pnrfne (n=piespy@unaffiliated/phated) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.24 | *** join/#debian derrilh (n=derril@S010600e02995d83c.cg.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:11.25 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@btn46.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:11.25 | *** join/#debian muh2000_ (n=muh2000@p57A58063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:12.54 | jinda2 | hello guys, am looking for software cable of judging a programming contest in real time... it should accept source code file(c optionally c++, java) compile it, and test against some test cases to judge the solution...... any suggestions? |
| 07:13.37 | dendrite | jinda2: Don't run the test framework on a machine you value! |
| 07:14.08 | jinda2 | dendrite, didnt got ya |
| 07:14.26 | dendrite | jinda2: Are you at all concerned about contestants uploading malicious code? |
| 07:14.32 | *** join/#debian _eric_ (n=eric@30-41-89.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 07:14.59 | *** join/#debian aBiNg (n=helo_aBi@221.6.29.75) |
| 07:15.03 | jinda2 | yeah they may but i will be running the software on a vmware virtual machine :) |
| 07:15.50 | dendrite | jinda2: You probably will need to automate the creation of a vmware instance for each run, to avoid having one code's misbehavior screw up the next test... |
| 07:16.34 | *** join/#debian cableroy__ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 07:16.52 | dendrite | jinda2: So I could imagine a vmware image that contained the compiler, test bench, set up to run from init... |
| 07:17.04 | jinda2 | dendrite, agreed but first i need some application, i got hold of jurix http://acm.asoc.fi.upm.es/proyectos/jurix/ and ran it fine but now i dont know how to submit soln to it |
| 07:17.08 | dendrite | jinda2: You'd drop in the uploaded code, and boot the image. |
| 07:17.37 | *** join/#debian cubiq (n=cubiq@193.15.99.76) |
| 07:18.30 | jinda2 | dendrite, i dont have much security concern... running the application in vmware as a regular user is fine with me |
| 07:18.31 | dendrite | jinda2: Heh. Looks like the docs are in Spanish... |
| 07:18.42 | scx | hello, could you tell me is apt-get search shows Psycopg as instalable? |
| 07:18.54 | dendrite | jinda2: Well, the security is as much to create a level playing field as it is to protect you. |
| 07:19.01 | jinda2 | dendrite, yeah the link is broken change the usrl form es to in |
| 07:19.02 | scx | err: is=if |
| 07:19.03 | *** join/#debian eric_ (n=eric@30-41-89.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 07:19.43 | *** join/#debian sid (n=unstable@tor/regular/sid) |
| 07:19.51 | *** part/#debian sid (n=unstable@tor/regular/sid) |
| 07:20.00 | Guerin | ok, this drive passes fsck and badblocks and the smatr `long' test without error, but throws i/o errors on boot |
| 07:20.05 | Guerin | figure me that one out |
| 07:20.11 | scx | is Psycopg in the repos ? |
| 07:20.22 | Guerin | in general it seems to hold data fine, though |
| 07:20.23 | dendrite | jinda2: Interesting puzzle. Jurix looks possible, but with such crappy documentation, it's impossible to say. |
| 07:20.36 | jinda2 | scsx, yeah they are, wait i paste the output on pastebin |
| 07:20.42 | jinda2 | dendrite, lol am too confused |
| 07:21.04 | dendrite | Guerin: Does it matter whether it's a soft or cold boot? |
| 07:21.09 | Guerin | dendrite: nope. |
| 07:21.19 | dendrite | Guerin: Power supply OK? |
| 07:21.31 | jinda2 | scx, pm'd ya |
| 07:21.32 | Guerin | dendrite: seems so. |
| 07:21.51 | scx | jinda2: thanks! :) |
| 07:21.54 | Guerin | i wonder if it's the ide |
| 07:21.56 | Guerin | mm |
| 07:22.08 | Guerin | let's see what happen when I change |
| 07:22.32 | *** join/#debian Fish_and_Chips (n=mark@mcrean.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 07:23.59 | Fish_and_Chips | /exit |
| 07:24.16 | *** join/#debian matt_o__ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 07:24.31 | dendrite | ne: "user" flag? |
| 07:24.48 | dendrite | Argh, irssi split windows take some getting used to... |
| 07:25.25 | *** join/#debian mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net) |
| 07:26.25 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 07:28.42 | *** join/#debian evilynux (n=eirc@dsl-10-133-54.b2b2c.ca) |
| 07:29.40 | *** join/#debian usn_work (n=usn@p54932EF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:29.53 | evilynux | Hi, ive a weird bug since earlier today, i think it coincides with my last package update |
| 07:30.30 | *** join/#debian Alain- (n=Alain@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 07:30.32 | evilynux | I'm unable to resolve addresses with some e.g. gaim, xchat, apt-get. |
| 07:31.01 | evilynux | But I'm able to resolve addresses with others e.g. ping, firefox, amule, ncftp |
| 07:31.22 | evilynux | any suggestions as to how i could track down that problem? |
| 07:32.15 | scx | evilynux: maybe your DNS ? |
| 07:32.17 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-100-164-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 07:32.29 | evilynux | scx: how could it be selective? |
| 07:33.15 | dendrite | evilynux: Have you done anything strange, like mixed up stable and unstable, or upgraded libc? |
| 07:33.19 | *** join/#debian lnast (n=cast@li2-31.members.linode.com) |
| 07:33.29 | evilynux | at this very moment, ping ftp.us.debian.org works, but apt-get update doesnt |
| 07:33.40 | evilynux | oh |
| 07:33.53 | evilynux | i think there were libc updates today |
| 07:34.00 | evilynux | oh yeah |
| 07:34.13 | evilynux | im sure there were |
| 07:34.15 | dendrite | evilynux: Well, that *should* have been OK, as long as you aren't mixing distributions or something... |
| 07:34.30 | *** join/#debian Skept (n=melancho@202.65.153.254) |
| 07:34.48 | dendrite | evilynux: But libc is the first thing that comes to mind given your symptoms. |
| 07:34.55 | evilynux | hmmm... it might be connected to the fact that im amd64... |
| 07:35.23 | dendrite | Gah. Is it just me, or does it seem like 64 bit is a complete pain... |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | it is |
| 07:35.59 | lnast | no pain for me :) |
| 07:36.06 | evilynux | id say it depends |
| 07:36.08 | lnast | flash isn't important |
| 07:36.09 | Guerin | and mostly pointless unless you have very high performance requirements |
| 07:36.16 | dendrite | I mean, if you're doing a lot of compositing or something... |
| 07:36.55 | scx | flash doesn't work using linux32 ? |
| 07:37.19 | lnast | macromedia flash doesn't work in 64bit, but it sucks so no loss |
| 07:37.21 | Guerin | is firefox 64-bit sane yet? |
| 07:37.33 | Guerin | and openoffice.org? |
| 07:37.36 | *** join/#debian prarage (n=prarage@59.92.158.184) |
| 07:37.46 | lnast | *everything* works fine for me, ff runs great. dunno about oo.o, don't use it |
| 07:37.53 | evilynux | for flash, you dont need a chroot, you may use http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper |
| 07:38.08 | evilynux | Guerin: openoffice works now |
| 07:38.29 | evilynux | Guerin: there were alot of bugs at first, but its ok on 64bit |
| 07:38.34 | Guerin | m, ok |
| 07:38.35 | lnast | the onyl hassle i've had with 64 bit is i can't boot off a 32bit livecd and chroot |
| 07:39.31 | lnast | evilynux: neat |
| 07:40.13 | scx | well a friend of mine set up somehow qemu to run flash embeded in Firefox |
| 07:40.49 | lnast | very slow way of doing it but sure |
| 07:41.10 | *** join/#debian bony (n=bhuvan@swecha/bony) |
| 07:41.22 | evilynux | scx: wooo... bad idea |
| 07:41.43 | evilynux | well... installing a chroot is way less pain |
| 07:41.57 | evilynux | or use the plugin i mentionned earlier if you know about it... |
| 07:42.02 | scx | it was just a test, he doesn't run it all the times |
| 07:42.14 | evilynux | for libc6, i think its 2.3.6.ds1-10 that broke things up for me |
| 07:42.15 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 07:42.27 | *** join/#debian jonas3 (n=LoKo@c-17c0e255.04-55-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 07:44.13 | evilynux | scx: ah ok! then yeah, ive also wondered if it would have worked |
| 07:44.18 | *** join/#debian e-funktion (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-180-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:44.34 | evilynux | like ive tried flash in ie running under wine |
| 07:44.46 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 07:44.52 | Supaplex | !stab MSIE |
| 07:45.40 | scx | :D |
| 07:46.05 | *** join/#debian jack_wyt (n=jack@211.154.174.45) |
| 07:47.21 | scx | samba |
| 07:47.32 | lnast | not NFS? |
| 07:47.37 | scx | or bridge vmware connection |
| 07:47.41 | evilynux | argh... are there packages archives? |
| 07:48.02 | evilynux | im unable to find the older packages in an attempt to go back to normal |
| 07:48.36 | lnast | evilynux: its not in your apt cache? |
| 07:48.40 | Guerin | mailing list archives FTW! |
| 07:48.56 | evilynux | Inast: unfortunatly not, i had cleaned it since |
| 07:49.01 | lnast | wait, nvm. |
| 07:49.02 | Guerin | i figured out why my drive is erroring - because the kernel is seeking to the last sector, which isn't used |
| 07:49.42 | dendrite | Guerin: Um... Why is your kernel doing that? |
| 07:49.59 | evilynux | inast: do you have them? (2.3.6.ds1-9) |
| 07:49.59 | karsten | Guerin: Well... don't do that then ;-) |
| 07:50.04 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 07:50.08 | Guerin | dendrite: dunno. But it's not unique to this kernel; several livecds and installers do it, too. But only at boot. |
| 07:50.11 | deadcat | what could cost cron to not move? |
| 07:50.18 | Guerin | karsten: boot? I try to avoid it as much as possible :) |
| 07:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 07:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 07:50.36 | dendrite | Guerin: last sector of the disk, or of the boot partition? |
| 07:50.42 | Guerin | dendrite: of the disk |
| 07:50.50 | dendrite | Huh. |
| 07:50.53 | Guerin | this post explains it: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org/msg06866.html |
| 07:50.58 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/dontmove <-- cron is not moving. |
| 07:51.09 | dendrite | Guerin: I was just going to google, thanks! |
| 07:51.39 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-19-16.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:52.23 | dendrite | Guerin: So it boots OK despite the I/O errors? |
| 07:53.47 | karsten | Guerin: Quite. |
| 07:54.09 | Guerin | yeh, boots and runs fine; as I said, it fscks, passes badblocks and smartctl tests just fine |
| 07:54.20 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 07:54.25 | Guerin | feayn.org/~lewis/dmesg.txt is the relevant output |
| 07:55.22 | dendrite | Guerin: Um, so DMA gets disabled? |
| 07:55.39 | *** join/#debian netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) |
| 07:55.45 | bony | i am unable to configure my wireless card properly. ipw2200 module failed to get inserted into the kernel it first said error with firmware and now this is the output of dmesg is "http://pastebin.com/857390" |
| 07:56.36 | *** join/#debian eldowon (n=opera@ppp-70-245-72-241.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 07:56.36 | bony | it used to work on dapper that had 2.6.15 kernel but in sid that is the current kernel on which i am trying to configure wireless card did not work |
| 07:56.52 | *** join/#debian mayday__jay (n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net) |
| 07:57.11 | *** join/#debian altri (n=jbuchana@dorm-127.subnet-205.amherst.edu) |
| 07:57.22 | Guerin | dendrite: yes, disabled during boot, but there appears to be no further problem with enabling it |
| 07:57.54 | evilynux | hmmm... downgrading libc6 didnt solve my problem... |
| 07:57.57 | *** join/#debian steven_ (n=steven@d51526A0B.access.telenet.be) |
| 07:58.05 | dendrite | Guerin: Humph. Well, tiresome perhaps, but surmountable, at least (no pun intended.) |
| 07:58.08 | Guerin | dendrite: as in: no errors when running `updatedb' or such with dma on. |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:58.20 | *** part/#debian eldowon (n=opera@ppp-70-245-72-241.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 07:58.37 | Guerin | i'm getting another drive shortly, may swap them out and keep this one for myself |
| 07:58.43 | Guerin | these errors will scare my sister |
| 07:59.22 | dendrite | Guerin: Those errors really are annoying, since they clutter the logs, and might lull one into missing real I/O troubles... |
| 07:59.38 | Guerin | well, yeah |
| 07:59.43 | Guerin | they only happen at boot, though |
| 07:59.54 | Guerin | but false positives are never fun |
| 08:00.05 | *** join/#debian noobcook (n=david@CPE-58-166-41-25.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 08:00.24 | noobcook | can anyone help me set up my radeon 9550 on ubuntu >< ive tried lots im open to any suggestions |
| 08:00.34 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 08:00.34 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:00.40 | karsten | noobcook: /join #ubuntu |
| 08:00.49 | Annexx | I need assistance , I need to install apache2.2 on Sarge, What would be the fastest and easiest way to achieve this? |
| 08:00.56 | Guerin | hm, is there a debian or canonical way to automate hdparm? |
| 08:00.59 | karsten | Annexx: aptitude install... |
| 08:01.05 | noobcook | karsten: ive tried there they helped me to their fullest but its not working for me i thought i would try get a different angle? |
| 08:01.13 | karsten | Guerin: sysv init script. |
| 08:01.22 | karsten | noobcook: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 08:01.22 | Guerin | ok, the usual, then |
| 08:01.23 | Annexx | karsten : It only installs apache 2.0.53 |
| 08:01.34 | karsten | Annexx: backports? |
| 08:01.37 | karsten | !backports |
| 08:01.38 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 08:01.44 | Guerin | oh, it has its own sysv init script |
| 08:01.46 | Guerin | classy |
| 08:01.49 | karsten | Guerin: Right' |
| 08:01.51 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 08:02.00 | noobcook | so your not going to help at all |
| 08:02.15 | *** join/#debian HPVS (n=sky@82-69-61-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 08:02.24 | karsten | noobcook: You learn quick. |
| 08:02.41 | noobcook | anyone above 12 reside here |
| 08:02.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:03.04 | karsten | noobcook: Ubuntu and Debian are different distros, do things differently. This is a Debian support channel. |
| 08:03.05 | Guerin | karsten can only wish he was still 12 |
| 08:03.08 | dendrite | noobcook: We don't know ubuntu. It's not Debian. |
| 08:03.15 | karsten | Guerin: I'd settle for 19. |
| 08:03.33 | Guerin | noobcook: speaking of things that are under 12 years old, ubuntu is such a thing, while debian isn't. |
| 08:03.44 | Guerin | karsten: yeh, 19 was a good age. |
| 08:03.49 | karsten | noobcook: You're going to start wearing out your welcome shortly. If you'd like help installing Debian we'd be more than happy to assist. |
| 08:03.55 | dendrite | noobcook: /topic |
| 08:03.59 | karsten | Guerin: One of the last good years for quite a while. |
| 08:04.05 | Guerin | nah |
| 08:04.10 | Guerin | i've had good years since then |
| 08:04.10 | noobcook | i tried debian it didn't work for me |
| 08:04.13 | karsten | Guerin: ... though it's gotten better again. |
| 08:04.34 | Guerin | noobcook: then #debian's not going to work for you, either. Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you. |
| 08:04.56 | noobcook | ok im leaving |
| 08:05.05 | *** part/#debian noobcook (n=david@CPE-58-166-41-25.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 08:05.10 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:05.15 | karsten | ;-) |
| 08:05.24 | Guerin | the old `get the last word with the /quit' trick |
| 08:05.31 | karsten | Damn, leaving by the toilet again.... |
| 08:05.39 | Guerin | nah |
| 08:05.43 | Guerin | he's going out the windows |
| 08:05.45 | *** join/#debian matt_o_ (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 08:06.29 | karsten | !customer |
| 08:06.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:10.28 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 08:11.16 | *** join/#debian n000b (n=chatzill@ns.provus.ro) |
| 08:11.27 | n000b | hi all |
| 08:12.08 | *** join/#debian eelmoo (n=user@user-54401595.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 08:12.10 | karsten | !hi |
| 08:12.10 | dpkg | hello, karsten |
| 08:12.13 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 08:12.54 | n000b | can you please point me to a good tutorial on setting up usb mouse? |
| 08:13.05 | Guerin | so, the only major complaint I have about this utterly stock etch install is that the ethernet monitor doesn't work and I can't figure out how to get rid of it |
| 08:13.07 | evilynux | wooo, i think others should know, i fixed my problem |
| 08:13.24 | evilynux | reinstalling libnss-mdns_0.8-6.1_amd64.deb brought things back to normal |
| 08:13.24 | n000b | i'm trying to get my usb wireless mouse AND my touchpad to work under xorg |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | n000b: Um. Should Just Work. dpkg-reconfigure <x-server-package> |
| 08:13.54 | evilynux | reminder: some tools were unable to resolve addresses while others were able to |
| 08:14.33 | n000b | karsten: i can see in /var/log/messages every time i insert the usb dongle it changes path: /class/input/input3, 4, 5 etc |
| 08:15.19 | n000b | what do i put in my xorg.conf under InputDevice? |
| 08:15.24 | karsten | n000b: Sorry, I'm fading. |
| 08:15.32 | karsten | n000b: /dev/input/mice IIRC. |
| 08:15.40 | n000b | ok, i'll try |
| 08:15.43 | Guerin | karsten: g'night |
| 08:15.44 | n000b | thanks |
| 08:15.54 | karsten | Guerin: And you, 'cept day. |
| 08:16.18 | Guerin | nah, it's night here too |
| 08:16.33 | karsten | Guerin: The earth *IS* flat! |
| 08:16.43 | Guerin | omglols |
| 08:18.12 | *** join/#debian amphi (n=amphi@user-514fe937.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 08:19.22 | *** part/#debian evilynux (n=eirc@dsl-10-133-54.b2b2c.ca) |
| 08:19.26 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 08:19.31 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.09 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 08:22.11 | *** join/#debian Azverkan (n=Azverkan@c-67-174-231-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:22.36 | *** join/#debian blijblijblij (n=rogier@57-154.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) |
| 08:26.37 | *** join/#debian l3on_ (n=l3on@83-103-90-62.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 08:27.01 | *** join/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54A74FD2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:28.29 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@CPE-203-45-99-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 08:28.30 | Guerin | craigevil: i thought they'd merged with the Creation Scientists' League? |
| 08:28.38 | *** join/#debian E-bola (i=bola@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk) |
| 08:28.41 | *** join/#debian sciboy (n=sciboy@unaffiliated/sciboy) |
| 08:28.48 | E-bola | How can i read a file as a mail? |
| 08:28.58 | Guerin | E-bola: wtf? |
| 08:29.06 | sciboy | Um, need some help. Seems a normal user on my machine has insufficient permissions to access /media/cdrom0 |
| 08:29.18 | sciboy | I've already added the user to "users" and "cdrom" |
| 08:29.22 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 08:29.23 | sciboy | What else needs to be done? |
| 08:29.35 | Guerin | sciboy: have you refreshed his group membership? |
| 08:29.47 | Guerin | and are the mount point permissions right? |
| 08:29.48 | *** part/#debian fantomas (i=foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 08:30.11 | sciboy | I restarted, is there a command for it? |
| 08:30.23 | psychonate | craigevil, yaeh, I like the disclaimer at the bottom |
| 08:30.23 | Guerin | sciboy: restarted what? |
| 08:31.59 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 08:34.46 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@212.31.236.154) |
| 08:36.12 | *** part/#debian lnast (n=cast@li2-31.members.linode.com) |
| 08:36.39 | *** join/#debian syavad (n=dementie@st44.cis.ltk.com.ua) |
| 08:36.47 | *** join/#debian rlc (n=rlc@user-5444b0ba.lns6-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 08:37.24 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=marcello@teotihuacan.nekhem.com) |
| 08:39.07 | psychonate | What is the advantage of using iceape over firefox? |
| 08:39.21 | Guerin | psychonate: you tell us. |
| 08:39.47 | psychonate | I'll tell you if you tell me. |
| 08:40.00 | wookienz | how can i tell if my linux box is open for ftp access for my users to uplaod webpages? |
| 08:40.04 | Guerin | ok. you get to feel 1337. |
| 08:40.12 | Guerin | now what were you going to say? |
| 08:40.18 | Guerin | wookienz: try it. |
| 08:40.28 | *** join/#debian ufk (n=ufk@mail.zend.com) |
| 08:40.59 | ufk | how do i set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | ufk: man interfaces tells you how to do this MOST EXPLICITLY |
| 08:41.36 | cydork | Guerin: iceape is forked seamonkey, firefox is totally different |
| 08:41.42 | *** join/#debian kakalto (n=kakalto@wired-210-54-56-25.ps.net.nz) |
| 08:41.44 | ufk | thank you |
| 08:41.47 | cydork | bahh psychonate && |
| 08:41.55 | Guerin | cydork: i know, but I was just randomly making shit up. |
| 08:41.57 | *** join/#debian dr_jnut (n=dr-jnut_@atreal.pck.nerim.net) |
| 08:42.19 | psychonate | cydork, eh, that doesn't really help me much |
| 08:42.23 | cydork | Guerin: heh that was meant for psychonate, but i just woke up so :P |
| 08:42.50 | cydork | psychonate: google for seamonkey and firefox. they are two different things :) |
| 08:42.58 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=martin@gw-colt.fotango.com) |
| 08:43.05 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:43.22 | cydork | SlayerXP: let me guess good date last night? :P |
| 08:43.24 | psychonate | cydork, that's interesting, but that's not really what I was looking for |
| 08:43.46 | psychonate | cydork, they're both browsers; I just wondered if iceape had some conspicuous advantage over firefox |
| 08:43.50 | SlayerXP | cydork: I'm engaged, I don't have dates |
| 08:44.11 | cydork | SlayerXP: awww |
| 08:44.20 | craigevil | iceape has more things like email,chat,html composer, its not just a browser like iceweasel/firefox |
| 08:44.41 | cydork | psychonate: seamonkey was mozilla suite before now they renamed it to seamonkey .. |
| 08:44.43 | *** part/#debian E-bola (i=bola@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk) |
| 08:45.14 | psychonate | nevermind |
| 08:45.44 | psychonate | I just wanted to know about the browser, but I'll just try it out sometime |
| 08:46.05 | Guerin | that's the easiest way to know whether something's worth doing |
| 08:46.06 | Guerin | try it |
| 08:46.25 | craigevil | you can install just the browser part if you dont need/want the other stuff |
| 08:48.58 | wookienz | any suggestion to a simple ftp server for users to connect to upload webpages? |
| 08:49.10 | Guerin | wookienz: vsftpd |
| 08:49.14 | *** join/#debian kirdeb (n=oem@213.179.245.117) |
| 08:49.15 | Guerin | accept no substitutes |
| 08:49.45 | kakalto | why do I have nothing in /etc/modules.d/ ? |
| 08:49.50 | kakalto | fresh etch install |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | kakalto: because you don't need anything? |
| 08:50.32 | *** join/#debian rob (i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob) |
| 08:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:51.53 | *** join/#debian lokuciej (n=lokuciej@ls12sp.cs.uni-dortmund.de) |
| 08:52.34 | *** join/#debian neg (n=1000@82-35-169-93.cable.ubr02.mort.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 08:52.53 | *** join/#debian ultimate (n=ultimate@82-35-169-93.cable.ubr02.mort.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 08:53.34 | kakalto | Guerin: then, why am I getting errors about 'cannot stat /etc/modules.d/*', on bootup ("it's not referenced my /etc/modprobe.conf"), and when I dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash, after generating an initrd image? |
| 08:53.50 | kakalto | and when apt-get install --reinstall udev |
| 08:53.56 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.178.114.74) |
| 08:54.05 | *** part/#debian scx (n=scx@unaffiliated/scx) |
| 08:54.07 | Guerin | oh, bootsplash |
| 08:54.12 | Guerin | no fucking idea |
| 08:54.28 | kakalto | is /etc/modules.d/* not used in etch? |
| 08:54.37 | Guerin | then again, you didn't give any indication why you thought you needed it, since it's not even present on a stock etch install. |
| 08:54.53 | Guerin | not by default; presumably if you install something which needs it it gets made. |
| 08:55.28 | lokuciej | how can figure out if a CPU is 32- or 64-bit? |
| 08:55.40 | Guerin | lokuciej: if you don't already know, use 32-bit |
| 08:56.20 | lokuciej | are there no information about the bitwidth in /proc/...? |
| 08:56.29 | *** join/#debian Givade (n=Givade@dslc-082-082-078-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:56.29 | lokuciej | s/are/is/ |
| 08:56.36 | *** join/#debian nickm_ (n=nickm@12.170.205.77) |
| 08:56.41 | Guerin | lokuciej: /proc/cpuinfo, of all places, doesn't jump out at you? |
| 08:56.45 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:56.49 | kakalto | well, the thing is, I get that error in two or three places... but the only problem I have, is bootsplash not displaying my image upon bootup correctly |
| 08:56.55 | Guerin | if I wanted some cpu info i might look there |
| 08:57.14 | kakalto | and I suspect that it's simply a path problem |
| 08:57.28 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p54A7BEBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:57.28 | *** join/#debian Sorian (n=Sorian@host86-143-126-157.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:57.30 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 08:57.54 | lokuciej | Guerin: I did, but didn't find any information about the CPU bitwidth |
| 08:58.40 | chemaja | lokuciej: so web search for the CPU make/model |
| 08:58.57 | *** join/#debian iveqy (n=iveqy@1-1-3-35a.mfb.mlm.bostream.se) |
| 08:59.22 | iveqy | hi, I'm using etch, and trying to run compiz. But I got this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 08:59.27 | Guerin | lokuciej: then I guess it's not 64-bit |
| 08:59.36 | lokuciej | that's a cumbersome way. Linux must provide this information somewhere |
| 09:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 646] by debhelper |
| 09:00.03 | iveqy | Guerin: well, it is 64-bit |
| 09:00.26 | Guerin | iveqy: i know and care nothing for compiz |
| 09:00.38 | kakalto | iveqy: two ways to enable glx in X... debian way: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and add 'glx' to the modules section |
| 09:00.44 | iveqy | the amd64 debian installation. |
| 09:00.49 | kakalto | iveqy: do you have 3d accelerated drivers? |
| 09:00.52 | *** join/#debian deadcat_ (n=deadcat@c-67-166-128-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:00.55 | Guerin | lokuciej: it does. In /proc/cpuinfo. |
| 09:00.59 | *** join/#debian styvy (n=styvy@kssl-4db532b1.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 09:01.18 | iveqy | kakalto: the nvidia drivers? |
| 09:01.58 | iveqy | kakalto: my xorg.conf do have that line (Load "glx") |
| 09:02.27 | *** join/#debian Dibbler_Lap (n=Dibbler@212.248.196.179) |
| 09:02.33 | *** join/#debian war (n=war@209.136.127.142) |
| 09:03.46 | iveqy | how can I see if it actually is loaded? |
| 09:03.53 | *** join/#debian skala (n=skala@x1-6-00-50-bf-ed-d0-bc.k380.webspeed.dk) |
| 09:04.37 | Guerin | iveqy: run glxgears? |
| 09:04.45 | kakalto | iveqy: lsmod | grep nv |
| 09:05.04 | iveqy | Guerin: then I got the same error |
| 09:05.04 | kakalto | or glxgears |
| 09:05.13 | Guerin | iveqy: you have your answer. |
| 09:05.21 | iveqy | kakalto: lsmod returned sata_nv and libata |
| 09:05.27 | kakalto | iveqy: that's it? |
| 09:05.32 | kakalto | then no nvidia driver |
| 09:05.42 | iveqy | then why won't it load? |
| 09:05.53 | kakalto | perhaps it isn't asked to? |
| 09:05.55 | Guerin | iveqy: ask macdobedia why their driver is so shit |
| 09:06.04 | Guerin | this is NOFP |
| 09:06.42 | iveqy | Guerin: Until I'm able to write my own, I have to use theirs... |
| 09:06.45 | kakalto | iveqy: what does "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver" return? (should be kbd, mouse, and one other) |
| 09:06.50 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 09:06.57 | *** join/#debian pif (n=ldm@zenon.apartia.fr) |
| 09:07.07 | *** join/#debian mormoloc (n=chatzill@89.37.44.100) |
| 09:07.11 | iveqy | kakalto: kbd, mouse and nv |
| 09:07.29 | kakalto | then you are currently using the open-source 'nv' driver |
| 09:07.48 | themolester | hrmm |
| 09:07.50 | iveqy | kakalto: oh, so I have to remove that one first? |
| 09:07.55 | wookienz | anyone use vsftpd? |
| 09:08.02 | themolester | i just downloaded the latest etch netinst iso |
| 09:08.11 | kakalto | iveqy: have you installed the 'nvidia' driver yet? |
| 09:08.16 | themolester | and it keeps installing gui... any way to get the old basic set? |
| 09:08.35 | *** join/#debian vegiVamp (n=demeersm@unimatrix.skynet.be) |
| 09:08.37 | iveqy | kakalto: well I ran the script provided from nvidia.com with a sucessfull status |
| 09:08.42 | kakalto | themolester: if you press F1->F8 when it prompts, it gives you options |
| 09:08.54 | kakalto | themolester: that's when you first boot into the cd |
| 09:09.01 | Guerin | iveqy: or you could just not bother. Really, how many hours worth of work is eye-candy worth? |
| 09:09.12 | kakalto | give him a break, Guerin =) |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | iveqy: oh, you used the nvidia installer? |
| 09:09.15 | Guerin | HAHA |
| 09:09.23 | sciboy | Guerin, Sorry, i restarted the PC. |
| 09:09.29 | themolester | kakakoka what option should i look for? |
| 09:09.35 | Guerin | sciboy: that'd do it. |
| 09:09.43 | iveqy | Guerin: come on, you know the reason... |
| 09:09.50 | kakalto | iveqy: using the nvidia installer... wasn't the method I used, so I don't have too much idea with that... I used the versions in the debian repos |
| 09:09.52 | sciboy | Guerin, Is there a command to do it without having to reboot though? |
| 09:10.03 | Guerin | sciboy: newgrp |
| 09:10.08 | *** join/#debian qwertz (n=qwertz@pD95324E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:10.09 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@87-193-16-230.dpool.celox.de) |
| 09:10.12 | Guerin | iveqy: nope, I surely don't. |
| 09:10.20 | kakalto | themolester: it's something like 'install' or 'expert' (if you want expert options... the graphical ones are 'installgui' and 'expertgui', I think |
| 09:10.31 | Guerin | iveqy: use the debian method - /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 09:10.36 | themolester | ok, thanks |
| 09:10.49 | qwertz | Hi, is there a convert tool to convert a file from utf8 to iso8859-1? |
| 09:11.05 | iveqy | kakalto: well I go playing a bit and see if a can change driver. I did not found the nvidia driver in the repositories |
| 09:11.05 | sciboy | Guerin, Nup, still not working though. |
| 09:11.13 | Guerin | sciboy: must be perms. |
| 09:11.20 | tarzeau | qwertz: recode for example |
| 09:11.31 | kakalto | iveqy: listen to dpkg. |
| 09:11.32 | sciboy | Guerin, I set it to 777 to check but still no luck. |
| 09:11.43 | Guerin | sciboy: freaky. |
| 09:11.46 | iveqy | kakalto: thank you |
| 09:11.49 | iveqy | Guerin: thx |
| 09:11.54 | sciboy | Guerin, Is there an ls option to show the owner and permissions? |
| 09:11.55 | kakalto | np. |
| 09:11.57 | *** join/#debian BjornB (n=yassacca@admin174.hgo.se) |
| 09:12.01 | tarzeau | sciboy: yes |
| 09:12.13 | tarzeau | sciboy: -l |
| 09:12.14 | nvz | sciboy: -l |
| 09:12.21 | sciboy | Cheers. |
| 09:12.24 | *** join/#debian DaG1 (n=david@213.134.45.245) |
| 09:12.32 | kakalto | let's see if this works... |
| 09:12.33 | kakalto | byee |
| 09:12.45 | qwertz | tarzeau, thanks will have a look |
| 09:12.46 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-2-46.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:13.46 | sciboy | Well it's accessable by root so it has to be some permission or group i'm missing. |
| 09:13.51 | sciboy | Maybe the fstab? |
| 09:13.53 | kirdeb | I have installed debian from a standard 32-bit Debian powerpc 'testing' with the kernel 2.6.17-2-powerpc64. Then i did debootstrap --arch ppc64 etch /tmp/root64 http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/gcc4 (latter i did debootstrap --arch ppc64 etch ppc64.chroot http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org - result is the same). All process of debootstrap gone well but at the end I had the error: Failure trying to run: chroot /tmp/root64 mount -t proc proc /proc. |
| 09:13.54 | kirdeb | When I do chroot manual I have the error: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 09:13.54 | kirdeb | The command ldd /tmp/root64/bin/bash  give the result: |
| 09:13.54 | kirdeb | Â Â Â Â Â Â Â libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x0000040000037000) |
| 09:13.54 | *** kick/#debian [kirdeb!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 09:14.09 | sciboy | FSTAB: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 auto user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:14.35 | sciboy | What the heck... |
| 09:14.46 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@m59.net81-66-147.noos.fr) |
| 09:14.46 | sciboy | When it's mounted the permissions changed to something wierd. |
| 09:14.50 | sciboy | drwx------ 5 400 401 6144 2006-03-31 13:29 cdrom0 |
| 09:15.11 | tarzeau | sciboy: you've got different uid/gid on that filesystem |
| 09:15.29 | *** join/#debian haich (n=haich@206.Red-88-3-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:15.35 | sciboy | tarzeau, What can i do then? |
| 09:15.52 | tarzeau | sciboy: fix it with chown/chmod or use the right passwd/group files? |
| 09:17.31 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 09:18.21 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 09:20.27 | *** part/#debian lokuciej (n=lokuciej@ls12sp.cs.uni-dortmund.de) |
| 09:21.09 | *** join/#debian nicomen (n=nicomen@polarboing.nvg.ntnu.no) |
| 09:21.11 | *** join/#debian TiffOn (n=TiffOn@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 09:21.45 | nicomen | ipmasq postinst script in unstable wants a command called db_get, but I can't seem to find that anywhere, where may I find it? |
| 09:21.49 | *** join/#debian mikespook (i=mikespoo@125.31.224.127) |
| 09:22.46 | *** join/#debian fwd (n=fwd@81.25.42.255) |
| 09:22.57 | *** join/#debian FredricR (i=Fredric@s169.hgo.se) |
| 09:23.14 | *** join/#debian iveqy (n=iveqy@1-1-3-35a.mfb.mlm.bostream.se) |
| 09:24.10 | iveqy | thank you, my driver now works :D. (although compiz do not, i'll be back if google fails me again :) ) |
| 09:24.27 | *** join/#debian ypd (n=mtoele@217.170.42.100) |
| 09:24.55 | psychonate | Google never fails the prepared mind. |
| 09:24.57 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua__ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-33-158.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:25.33 | iveqy | psychonate: well, then I'm not prepared ;) |
| 09:27.48 | iveqy | like: /usr/bin/compiz: line 23: 8732 Segment fault /usr/bin/compiz.real $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS |
| 09:28.56 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@82.111.212.201) |
| 09:29.52 | iveqy | I don't get it :( |
| 09:30.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 655] by debhelper |
| 09:30.04 | *** part/#debian nicomen (n=nicomen@polarboing.nvg.ntnu.no) |
| 09:30.24 | *** join/#debian kirdeb (n=oem@213.179.245.117) |
| 09:32.02 | *** join/#debian eric_ (n=eric@46-41-89.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 09:32.22 | *** join/#debian rumpl (n=rumpl@m87.net81-66-199.noos.fr) |
| 09:32.34 | iveqy | oh I get it. I still don't have the nvidia driver in xorg for some reasen, shouldn't that be automatic? |
| 09:33.25 | *** join/#debian wankel (n=nobody@user-54456f76.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 09:35.16 | sep | iveqy, it's done when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:35.51 | *** join/#debian paul1 (n=Paul@203-206-116-219.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:35.55 | iveqy | sep of course. thx |
| 09:37.55 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 09:39.34 | *** join/#debian spytrdr (i=slc@host193.190-30-5.telecom.net.ar) |
| 09:40.03 | *** join/#debian E-bola (i=bola@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk) |
| 09:40.49 | *** join/#debian barbo (n=maboto@gar13-3-89-80-185-157.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 09:48.08 | *** join/#debian hark_ (n=strider@auh-as1130.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 09:48.42 | *** join/#debian yoshio (n=yoshio@h46067d20.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 09:49.02 | *** join/#debian jpduyx (n=jpduyx@zwfw.zestsoftware.nl) |
| 09:49.49 | *** join/#debian kakalto (n=kakalto@wired-210-54-56-59.ps.net.nz) |
| 09:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 09:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 09:51.17 | *** join/#debian iveqy (n=iveqy@1-1-3-35a.mfb.mlm.bostream.se) |
| 09:52.12 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@242.203-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 09:52.15 | *** join/#debian barbo (n=maboto@gar13-3-89-80-185-157.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 09:52.23 | *** join/#debian kizmet (n=kizmet@202-161-2-46.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:52.38 | iveqy | hi again. After followed a scrip (for amd64 etch xgl+compiz) and reconfigured the X server (changed to nvidia) I have no X anymore:(. I've got an error while loading shared lib libXfont.so.1 "No file or directory". |
| 09:53.34 | *** join/#debian Danielss89 (n=danielss@0x50a13420.hknxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 09:53.35 | Danielss89 | Hi |
| 09:54.49 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@84.229.163.125) |
| 09:54.53 | Danielss89 | im going to a new server, with debian 3.1(sarge i believe?), and before ive used debian 4.0(etch). Do you guys recommend the upgrade to 4.0 again, og should i just stick to 3.1... It is beging used as a webserver |
| 09:54.55 | *** join/#debian rw_fenrir (n=rw_fenri@i219-164-209-131.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp) |
| 09:55.16 | Danielss89 | beging = being |
| 09:55.30 | iveqy | Danielss89: I would recommend a stable dist for a server |
| 09:55.45 | sep | Danielss89, if you can wait i would want to wait until etch releases then use etch. would save you 1 upgrade. if you can not wait i'd use sarge and you'd have to upgrade within a year after etch releases |
| 09:55.57 | *** join/#debian hark__ (n=strider@auh-as45092.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 09:56.12 | *** join/#debian JoRGiTo (n=KiSS@va108cvx81.usuarios.retecal.es) |
| 09:56.21 | Danielss89 | okey, so i should just leave 3.1 as it is:D |
| 09:56.32 | kakalto | anyone had success with etch and bootsplash? |
| 09:56.35 | kakalto | at the moment, I get what looks likea test screen, during bootup. same format as bootsplash, with loadbar and everything, it just has weird colours and numbers and circles and squares and stuff |
| 09:56.36 | *** join/#debian Maliuta (n=nikolai@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 09:56.44 | buu | Anyone happen to know if you can fake typeahead find with dillo? |
| 09:57.23 | *** join/#debian lodan (n=chatzill@bb219-74-239-120.singnet.com.sg) |
| 09:57.46 | iveqy | kakalto: maybe, I will know If a had a luck when I reboot next time ;) |
| 09:58.01 | sep | kakakoka, i have usplash working on etch both the server and the netboot clients |
| 09:58.10 | sphenxes | . |
| 09:58.35 | kakalto | iveqy: hehe. do tell, if I'm around and you are ={ |
| 09:58.37 | kakalto | *=) |
| 09:58.51 | kakalto | sep: was there a certain guide you followed? what packages did you install? |
| 09:58.52 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 10:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 661] by debhelper |
| 10:00.23 | kakalto | sep: I installed usplash... bootsplash... fbsplash... kernel-patch-fbsplash, kernel-patch-bootsplash, bootsplash-theme |
| 10:00.33 | kakalto | nothing is actually showing an image |
| 10:00.52 | *** join/#debian k0p (n=kop@bl8-163-137.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 10:02.14 | sep | kakakoka, usplash and /usr/share/doc/usplash |
| 10:02.34 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 10:04.09 | *** join/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@LAubervilliers-151-13-91-32.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:04.32 | *** join/#debian teclo- (i=42@83.101.7.17) |
| 10:05.02 | teclo- | Hello I'm trying to have a background at the xdm login screen. I have created /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup, and here is what is init: /usr/bin/xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen /usr/share/wallpapers/espacevortex.jpg |
| 10:05.17 | teclo- | but no background in xdm... what am I doing wrong ? |
| 10:05.37 | teclo- | the file is there, and when I type that command as a user in xterm, the background does appear on the root window |
| 10:06.27 | *** join/#debian ole (i=olemoudi@253.Red-83-43-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:07.02 | *** join/#debian pumpkin0 (n=ram@ip-83-99-22-231.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 10:08.56 | *** join/#debian rob1 (i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob) |
| 10:09.12 | *** join/#debian utrrrongeeb (n=mhciipec@ellie25.isn.net) |
| 10:09.20 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 10:09.36 | *** join/#debian hark_ (n=strider@auh-as39167.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 10:14.45 | *** join/#debian TolstoyInlove (n=TolstoyI@unaffiliated/tolstoyinlove) |
| 10:16.10 | themolester | hrmm |
| 10:16.20 | themolester | i just installed AGAIN |
| 10:16.28 | themolester | it looks like its doing the same thing |
| 10:16.38 | themolester | how can i make the installer NOT install xwin |
| 10:16.48 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@212.31.236.154) |
| 10:17.08 | *** join/#debian san (i=san@211.168.152.85) |
| 10:17.11 | themolester | i dont want any gui, it seems the previous guy told me to use install instead of installgui, which seemingly only effects the installer |
| 10:17.29 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 10:18.03 | blondie | themolester: dont choose "desktop" system or whatever its called |
| 10:18.13 | themolester | it wasn't an option |
| 10:18.16 | *** join/#debian Knight_Lord (n=Knight_L@ctv-213-164-102-79.vinita.lt) |
| 10:18.17 | themolester | im using etch installer |
| 10:18.19 | blondie | of course that option only affects the installer |
| 10:18.22 | blondie | orly |
| 10:18.29 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to tunnel through 2 computers using ssh? |
| 10:18.30 | blondie | in tasksel |
| 10:18.39 | kakalto | themolester: did you do expert mode? |
| 10:18.40 | Knight_Lord | My desktop is now suddenly behind 2 firewalls |
| 10:18.41 | blondie | Knight_Lord: with two tunnels |
| 10:18.46 | themolester | blondie i selected NONE in tasksel |
| 10:18.50 | themolester | as normally |
| 10:18.58 | Knight_Lord | blondie the problem is that on both machines only the port 22 is open |
| 10:18.59 | themolester | as i've done on woody, and sarge |
| 10:19.00 | blondie | themolester: well you can always remove it |
| 10:19.12 | themolester | blondie that kinda defeats the point |
| 10:19.13 | themolester | :) |
| 10:19.28 | Knight_Lord | blondie so I have no port to bind on the second tunnel |
| 10:19.29 | blondie | i didnt think it always installed X |
| 10:19.41 | blondie | Knight_Lord: erm |
| 10:19.44 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p50920F6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:19.46 | themolester | just cause you can set your arm after you smash it with a hammer... doesnt mean you should keep doing it |
| 10:19.47 | themolester | :) |
| 10:20.07 | themolester | blondie neither did i... until etch |
| 10:20.09 | themolester | apparently |
| 10:20.44 | kakalto | themolester: I know that under 'expertgui' mode, it definately gave the option |
| 10:21.13 | themolester | im definately in expert mode |
| 10:21.14 | kakalto | themolester: it asks about what to install, and has Desktop environment near the top, then a few servers, and standard-desktop at the bottom |
| 10:21.21 | themolester | and its installing gnome crap right now |
| 10:21.39 | kakalto | it asks you, and has a tickbox for 'desktop environment' |
| 10:21.57 | themolester | nope... if its in the tasksel part... it certianly did not |
| 10:22.08 | kakalto | well, it did for me... |
| 10:22.20 | kakalto | dunno if it's in the 'tasksel' part |
| 10:22.26 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001310a01647.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 10:22.26 | themolester | again, did you use etch? cause i do remember that part being on previous versions |
| 10:22.27 | kakalto | because I simply don't know what that is :P |
| 10:22.34 | kakalto | yes, it was Etch RC1 installer |
| 10:22.36 | themolester | not the first debian install i've done |
| 10:22.45 | kakalto | first debian install I've done =) |
| 10:22.50 | themolester | soon as this is done, i'll take a screenshot |
| 10:22.51 | kakalto | (excluding *buntu) |
| 10:23.21 | blondie | kakalto: the first then :P |
| 10:23.29 | themolester | im glad i tried out on vmware first |
| 10:23.35 | themolester | heh |
| 10:23.37 | kakalto | yeah, *buntu is hardly an install :P |
| 10:23.44 | themolester | server comes tomorrow |
| 10:24.21 | blondie | and certainly not debian ;) |
| 10:24.46 | themolester | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 10:24.50 | themolester | thats the iso i used |
| 10:25.08 | themolester | could it be because of buscard? |
| 10:25.30 | themolester | i can download the full thing, but figured buscard would download the most from internet, and netinst would have some packages on cd |
| 10:25.37 | kakalto | themolester: yes, that's probably why |
| 10:25.42 | themolester | i like bleeding edge (not quite enough for unstable though) |
| 10:25.45 | kakalto | netinst is net install |
| 10:25.55 | themolester | kakakoka they're both netinst... |
| 10:25.57 | *** part/#debian syavad (n=dementie@st44.cis.ltk.com.ua) |
| 10:26.10 | kakalto | AFAIK, buscard is more rescue-cd-ish |
| 10:26.15 | themolester | it definately cant load all these packages off a 40M cd |
| 10:26.36 | themolester | its doing a full install... if it was a rescue cd, i'd be up and running by now |
| 10:26.37 | themolester | :) |
| 10:26.42 | kakalto | well, I used etch-rc1-netinst |
| 10:27.06 | themolester | blondie |
| 10:27.10 | themolester | your opinion? |
| 10:27.11 | kakalto | and I /did/ get the screen asking about DE |
| 10:27.23 | blondie | erm |
| 10:27.38 | *** join/#debian rusher (n=rusher@kaam0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp) |
| 10:27.48 | rusher | can anyone install truecrypt on debian etch? |
| 10:28.01 | blondie | i've never used the business card one |
| 10:29.15 | *** join/#debian mike00 (n=mike@ppp79-228.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net) |
| 10:29.20 | kakalto | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=724&slide=25 |
| 10:29.30 | kakalto | themolester: ^ that's the screen =) |
| 10:30.34 | themolester | uploading screenshot |
| 10:30.50 | themolester | http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debian2vn4.png |
| 10:31.14 | kakalto | is there a 'desktop environment' option at the top of that list? |
| 10:31.29 | themolester | nope |
| 10:31.36 | kakalto | because there is on the graphical installer, as shown by the screenshot I linked to ^^ |
| 10:31.37 | themolester | just tried up/down... theres no scroll |
| 10:31.49 | *** part/#debian teclo- (i=42@83.101.7.17) |
| 10:32.02 | themolester | blondie have you tried the console install on the etch releases? |
| 10:32.09 | Guerin | kakalto: i installed etch this morning, and that option is no longer there |
| 10:32.27 | themolester | who the hell would make gui default |
| 10:32.40 | blondie | yes |
| 10:32.43 | kakalto | well, the only place I know for sure, is it's on the release candidate 1 (november 11th) net install iso |
| 10:32.48 | Guerin | gnome and heaps of other shit is installed as part of the `standard system' package, but not the X server |
| 10:33.00 | blondie | file a bug report |
| 10:33.06 | kakalto | gnome didn't install here under standard system =/ |
| 10:33.06 | themolester | i mean... debian is like the last refuge to headless servers |
| 10:33.08 | Guerin | yeah, I used a daily because the rc1 didn't work |
| 10:33.15 | *** join/#debian JJ|Laptop (n=joeyjone@S010600179a9e114b.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 10:33.16 | blondie | I installed RC1 and got no gnome or X stuff |
| 10:33.17 | kakalto | ahk |
| 10:33.19 | Guerin | themolester: well, it's trivial to leave off |
| 10:33.31 | themolester | Guerin huh? got gnome, but no xserver? |
| 10:33.42 | Guerin | just unselect the poorly-named `standard system' and you're good to go |
| 10:33.50 | themolester | i did |
| 10:33.51 | Guerin | themolester: yes. Retarded, huh. |
| 10:34.03 | blondie | well |
| 10:34.06 | blondie | you could use xdmcp :P |
| 10:34.12 | RvGaTe | lol@debian-offtopic |
| 10:34.16 | kakalto | lol |
| 10:34.25 | kakalto | quite a community there, I see =) |
| 10:34.29 | RvGaTe | hehe |
| 10:34.45 | kakalto | I daren't disturb it :P |
| 10:34.45 | Guerin | kakalto: where in Noo Zillun are you? |
| 10:34.46 | themolester | and it still installed crap |
| 10:34.57 | kakalto | Guerin: half way between aucky and hamtown |
| 10:35.03 | Guerin | pokeno! |
| 10:35.08 | RvGaTe | kakalto, just waiting for someon to get added to the list ;) |
| 10:35.10 | Guerin | or morrinsville |
| 10:35.10 | kakalto | naw, but not far =) |
| 10:35.14 | kakalto | waiuku |
| 10:35.16 | Guerin | or someplace around there |
| 10:35.20 | kakalto | further west of pokeno |
| 10:35.20 | Guerin | ah, waiuku |
| 10:35.25 | Guerin | off the motorway |
| 10:35.28 | themolester | Guerin you say you used daily, and it worked (diddn't install crap)? |
| 10:35.29 | kakalto | yep |
| 10:35.45 | Guerin | themolester: no, it did install all manner of shit, but that's ok, since it's a desktop for my sister. |
| 10:35.49 | kakalto | and you, Guerin? |
| 10:35.58 | Guerin | kakalto: south coast of wellington |
| 10:36.04 | themolester | i dont want crap bloating my system, or i'd have just installed wintendo on my new core2 |
| 10:36.05 | kakalto | ahk |
| 10:36.06 | themolester | :) |
| 10:36.31 | *** join/#debian marcels_ (n=marcel@mstoop.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:36.34 | Guerin | mm, i need to file teh installation report |
| 10:37.05 | *** join/#debian karmatronic (n=karma@84.77.152.248) |
| 10:37.10 | kakalto | unless they just have it set like that because it's a daily thing, and they were testing something? |
| 10:37.10 | blondie | i'll try the business card one |
| 10:37.19 | blondie | though i usually use the normal netinstall |
| 10:37.33 | themolester | anyone, PLEASE tell me how to do this without gnome/crapware |
| 10:37.40 | blondie | themolester: though... for a core2 you might consider the amd64 one |
| 10:37.44 | themolester | blondie i will also try installing netinst |
| 10:37.49 | themolester | blondie i said tomorrow |
| 10:37.51 | *** part/#debian E-bola (i=bola@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk) |
| 10:37.51 | themolester | ;-) |
| 10:37.58 | themolester | i am installing in vmware right now |
| 10:38.02 | kakalto | Guerin: kinda suprised not to see ya on #nzlinux , that's where I find the rest of the sane people of middle earth ;-) |
| 10:38.02 | Guerin | themolester: deselecting the standard system still installs gnome? |
| 10:38.09 | blondie | I see |
| 10:38.10 | themolester | Guerin yes |
| 10:38.14 | RvGaTe | just wanted to share this with you all: I want to thank you all for your support during my journey into Debian Etch... i'm only using windows for gaming now, and i haven't switched back to windows to get something done in like 3 weeks now... i couldn't make the switch to linux without you guys :) thank you all for your support |
| 10:38.16 | Guerin | kakalto: didn't even know about it |
| 10:38.22 | kakalto | well there we have it |
| 10:38.23 | kakalto | heheh |
| 10:38.25 | Guerin | but then, i don't pay much attention |
| 10:38.33 | Guerin | themolester: that's evil |
| 10:38.42 | themolester | Guerin yea... |
| 10:38.43 | Guerin | and there appears to be no installation report in /root |
| 10:38.44 | themolester | i know |
| 10:38.46 | kakalto | RvGaTe: glad to hear that :-) |
| 10:38.51 | *** join/#debian Skept (n=melancho@202.65.153.254) |
| 10:38.57 | blondie | themolester: are you running vmware on debian? |
| 10:39.17 | themolester | no, debian on vmware |
| 10:39.19 | themolester | :) |
| 10:39.30 | themolester | vmware on wintendo |
| 10:39.31 | themolester | weee |
| 10:39.32 | Guerin | on blingdown? |
| 10:39.35 | themolester | :) |
| 10:39.40 | Guerin | blingdows, perhaps |
| 10:39.46 | *** join/#debian mk3y (n=mkey@pD9E36770.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:39.59 | themolester | Guerin i like "wintendo, weeee" |
| 10:40.00 | themolester | :) |
| 10:40.18 | kakalto | weeeeee <on> wintendo!~~ |
| 10:40.55 | karmatronic | Wintendo ? |
| 10:41.08 | themolester | karmatronic the operating system only good for games |
| 10:41.09 | karmatronic | you mean nintendo ? |
| 10:41.10 | themolester | ;-) |
| 10:41.22 | themolester | windows |
| 10:41.25 | kakalto | karmatronic: the open source port of windows to the super nintendo. |
| 10:41.26 | kakalto | :P |
| 10:41.47 | themolester | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=124585 |
| 10:41.48 | themolester | lol |
| 10:41.54 | themolester | somone used that name for a project |
| 10:41.55 | karmatronic | kakalto: by the way i tried zsnes the other day and it was great fun |
| 10:42.04 | kakalto | oh heck yeah |
| 10:42.05 | kakalto | =DD |
| 10:42.10 | kakalto | you played star ocean? |
| 10:42.13 | kakalto | bestest.game.evar. |
| 10:42.19 | RvGaTe | themolester, wth is that? looks interesting |
| 10:42.25 | kakalto | (by the way, that port thing was a joke. wintendo == windows.) |
| 10:42.33 | karmatronic | kakalto: well just played the old fashion games |
| 10:43.02 | karmatronic | kakalto: like street fighter 2 , thunderforce 4 |
| 10:43.12 | kakalto | themolester: thanks... I might just use that :P |
| 10:43.27 | kakalto | karmatronic: ahk. played any RPGs on there yet? the RPGs on SNES were great.. |
| 10:43.28 | karmatronic | kakalto: then i went made and began trying all available emulators |
| 10:43.30 | themolester | RvGaTe no idea... looks like a shell replacement for explorer... for dual boot windows/linux (no need for shell in windows) |
| 10:43.39 | themolester | was just googling wintendo for no reason |
| 10:43.49 | kakalto | I used ZSNES, and it was great. apparently it's the best SNES emul |
| 10:44.11 | kakalto | RvGaTe: so, instead of your 'start' bar in windows, it's just that |
| 10:44.14 | karmatronic | kakalto: definitely |
| 10:44.20 | RvGaTe | kakalto, cool, |
| 10:44.23 | karmatronic | kakalto: but for sega megadrive |
| 10:44.34 | karmatronic | kakalto: the one i got is cool too |
| 10:44.45 | karmatronic | kakalto: and i also have one for atari 2600 |
| 10:45.04 | kakalto | karmatronic: I used to use KGEN for Sega genesis, but I hear that went closed-source, and the guy started asking for money =/ |
| 10:45.04 | karmatronic | kakalto: the only not working is the one for playstation 1 |
| 10:45.09 | kakalto | oh really? |
| 10:45.17 | kakalto | I got epsxe working fine |
| 10:45.18 | *** join/#debian mwe (n=mwe@unaffiliated/mwe) |
| 10:45.22 | Skept | hi, is there a method by which i can generate a hierarchy of packages installed and their dependencies, perhaps as an image? |
| 10:45.35 | karmatronic | kakalto: it just freezes my system |
| 10:45.35 | Guerin | Skept: not really |
| 10:45.51 | kakalto | ah =/ |
| 10:45.53 | *** join/#debian Assassin5 (n=Assassin@62.49.219.106) |
| 10:46.05 | kakalto | karmatronic: completely crashes, or just X? |
| 10:46.08 | karmatronic | kakalto: but i dont have any playstattion CD so maybe the ROMS i got were bad |
| 10:46.10 | Guerin | Skept: you could mung the output of a recursive apt-cache depends i suppose |
| 10:46.14 | kakalto | could've been |
| 10:46.17 | kakalto | did you get the BIOS thing? |
| 10:46.19 | karmatronic | kakalto: just crashes X |
| 10:46.23 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (i=foobar@p54A5DE19.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:46.44 | karmatronic | kakalto: welllet s say it makes X hang |
| 10:47.00 | Skept | ah. thanks. apt-cache dump :) |
| 10:47.04 | karmatronic | kakalto: sure i ve got the BIOS thing |
| 10:47.09 | *** join/#debian spyden (n=spyden@200-211-161-70-amr.static.vivax.com.br) |
| 10:47.13 | karmatronic | kakalto: epsexe loads well |
| 10:47.13 | kakalto | welllet? |
| 10:47.31 | kakalto | oh, well lets |
| 10:47.37 | karmatronic | kakalto: yeah |
| 10:47.46 | kakalto | I haven't tried it for ages |
| 10:47.51 | kakalto | and haven't at all under debian |
| 10:48.13 | karmatronic | kakalto: actually the zsnes games are great fun |
| 10:48.27 | *** join/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@LAubervilliers-151-13-91-32.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:48.28 | kakalto | yeah |
| 10:48.29 | *** join/#debian amphi (n=amphi@user-514fe937.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 10:48.30 | kakalto | =) |
| 10:48.31 | petemc | micro machines 4tw |
| 10:48.32 | Knight_Lord | How do i check the resolution in X? |
| 10:48.34 | karmatronic | kakalto: also i did not expect usb pads to be run so easily |
| 10:48.43 | *** join/#debian imperix (n=desperat@ip43108.stuwe.fh-schmalkalden.de) |
| 10:48.50 | *** join/#debian kazuu (n=andre@200-168-68-16.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 10:49.17 | *** join/#debian dawg (i=dawg@203-206-88-200.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 10:49.25 | themolester | ok installing again via netinst package |
| 10:50.26 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (n=lordlame@server1932015274.serverpool.info) |
| 10:50.26 | karmatronic | Knight_Lord: something like that tail -200 /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "Setting mode" |
| 10:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 10:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 10:50.36 | kakalto | just as a random question... is it possible to install an OS under vmware, then copy the installation to an actual drive and run it? (apart from problems with differing hardware) |
| 10:50.49 | blondie | well |
| 10:50.51 | Knight_Lord | karmatronic no i want a command to run inside X |
| 10:50.58 | blondie | you can do it the other way at least |
| 10:51.12 | pumpkin0 | Knight_Lord: xrandr |
| 10:51.13 | themolester | kakakoka hrmm... i would imagine so |
| 10:51.17 | blondie | you can turn a real server into a virtual one ;) |
| 10:51.33 | themolester | as long as your kernel is configured with the correct modules for both server and virtual |
| 10:51.35 | Knight_Lord | pumpkin0 extenxion RANDR missing |
| 10:52.22 | themolester | to be sure you get everything, dding it should save your partition tables, etc |
| 10:52.31 | kakalto | themolester: and with something like debian, all modules are there anyway |
| 10:52.39 | *** join/#debian Techdeck (i=Techdeck@80.178.222.96.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 10:52.50 | themolester | kakakoka wrong... |
| 10:52.52 | Techdeck | Hey guys, anyone knows a good (screen) video capture program? |
| 10:53.05 | themolester | MOST modules are there anyway, and just cause you have debian, doesn't mean you have to use debians kernel |
| 10:53.07 | themolester | :) |
| 10:53.25 | Knight_Lord | The program i was looking for is xdpyinfo |
| 10:53.28 | hark_ | Knight_Lord: xdpyinfo |grep Dimensions |
| 10:53.31 | pumpkin0 | Knight_Lord: "xdpyinfo | less". It is at the top. |
| 10:53.38 | themolester | not all kernel options are modular, and not all possible options are enabled |
| 10:53.40 | Knight_Lord | exactly, thanks :-) |
| 10:53.59 | themolester | however... vast majority of time works... just covering my bases on my answer |
| 10:54.00 | themolester | :) |
| 10:54.09 | themolester | heh |
| 10:54.26 | themolester | you can also install a physical hdd on a vmware system |
| 10:54.35 | themolester | so you could just unplug and plug |
| 10:54.36 | kakalto | ah, you can |
| 10:54.40 | Techdeck | anyone? |
| 10:54.52 | *** join/#debian zChris (n=chris@host-83-166-18-26.hernonet.se) |
| 10:54.53 | themolester | kakakoka as i said... i imagine |
| 10:54.55 | themolester | never tried it |
| 10:54.58 | zChris | what flash should i use for linux ? |
| 10:55.02 | themolester | but i dont see any reason it wouldn't |
| 10:55.13 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck i think you're out of luck |
| 10:55.15 | kakalto | themolester: I just didn't realise it had the option of using physical disks |
| 10:55.26 | themolester | certianly does |
| 10:55.29 | kakalto | Techdeck: if you want a decent one, I think you're gonna have to pay money =/ |
| 10:55.31 | themolester | runs faster too |
| 10:55.34 | Techdeck | Knight_Lord :( |
| 10:55.47 | Techdeck | how did people make the beryl video captures? |
| 10:55.47 | kakalto | Techdeck: I did once play around with that, but all I could get was output to flash video or something funny |
| 10:55.52 | *** join/#debian rIpper (n=brad@cust-63-209-235-27.bos-dynamic.gis.net) |
| 10:55.53 | Techdeck | :( |
| 10:55.56 | kakalto | Techdeck: video capture cards |
| 10:56.02 | Techdeck | oh I have that |
| 10:56.11 | themolester | i've installed this thing too many times now |
| 10:56.13 | hark_ | Techdeck: some extension (part of Beryl) |
| 10:56.14 | themolester | i think im on 5 |
| 10:56.14 | themolester | heh |
| 10:56.26 | petemc | Techdeck: google for linux screencast |
| 10:56.27 | Techdeck | hark_, ah, thank you |
| 10:56.31 | Techdeck | thanks guys |
| 10:57.06 | themolester | ok, installing base system now |
| 10:57.08 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~bsd/vncrecording.html there's this option |
| 10:57.19 | *** join/#debian rusher_ (n=rusher@kaam0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp) |
| 10:57.43 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 10:57.48 | Sypher | hum ... guys, whats a quick way to accept on my mail server all the mail for @domain.com and redirect it to (local) mailboxes @domain.net ?? using postfix ... |
| 10:58.15 | Techdeck | Knight_Lord I don't think it will be in the quality I want it to, but the beryl extension sounds good |
| 10:58.28 | *** join/#debian nimak (n=nima@unaffiliated/nima) |
| 10:59.00 | *** join/#debian m0rbid (n=m0rbid@24-38-64-178-st.albyny.adelphia.net) |
| 10:59.08 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 10:59.13 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck quality is as good as on the screen |
| 10:59.31 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck the problem is the difficulty in setting it up |
| 10:59.34 | Techdeck | Knight_Lord, but the refresh rate stinks |
| 10:59.39 | Techdeck | I guess |
| 10:59.45 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck not really if you connect locally |
| 10:59.50 | m0rbid | can someone help me with a server/static IP? I configured /etc/network/interfaces with the info, restarted networking, and still it will not ping anything |
| 10:59.53 | Techdeck | I need it to be as quick as DRI is |
| 10:59.54 | cydork | Techdeck: most of the screencasts use xvidcap which is there in marlliat afiak. |
| 10:59.54 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck X is also networked after all |
| 11:00.00 | Techdeck | true |
| 11:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 673] by debhelper |
| 11:00.12 | *** part/#debian dawg (i=dawg@203-206-88-200.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:00.14 | Techdeck | ok I'll look into it, thanks again |
| 11:00.16 | Knight_Lord | Techdeck ah if you want 3D accel then it's indeed more problematic |
| 11:00.44 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: put the interface-file, the output of "ifconfig" and "route" into a pastebin. |
| 11:00.55 | themolester | lmao |
| 11:01.04 | m0rbid | pumpkin0: will do, thanks |
| 11:01.10 | themolester | theres actually fewer kernels available on the netinst, than the buscard |
| 11:01.21 | themolester | during install |
| 11:02.18 | pumpkin0 | themolester: netinstall: basic system installed from CD, bus-card: basic system downloaded and then installed. |
| 11:02.36 | m0rbid | ermm, it would have to be online for me to use pastebins |
| 11:02.50 | themolester | netinst gives option to download packages online... should have option to download kernels online aswell |
| 11:02.51 | themolester | hehe |
| 11:03.03 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: copy the stuff via USB-stick ? |
| 11:03.40 | m0rbid | hrmm, if I knew how, that would be an awesome idea. |
| 11:03.45 | themolester | ok, WTF ... netinst gives option for desktop environment |
| 11:03.56 | kakalto | themolester: see? that's what I was referring to =) |
| 11:04.04 | themolester | now... lets see, if it still installs gnome with all that crap disabled |
| 11:04.04 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: the server is running sarge / etch / sid ? |
| 11:04.11 | m0rbid | unstable. |
| 11:04.27 | themolester | ok, theres a SERIOUS bug here |
| 11:04.42 | themolester | installing buscard installs 500 something packages |
| 11:04.47 | themolester | including xwindows and gnome |
| 11:04.56 | themolester | and gives no option to delete it |
| 11:05.01 | themolester | (disable) |
| 11:05.18 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: (why did you install unstable on a server ?) Get a USB-stick and insert it. wait 5 seconds, then run "dmesg" and note the /dev/sdX the stick was attachted to. |
| 11:05.24 | themolester | just did netinst... and it gives option... and when all disabled, installs nothing (or went so fast only took a second) |
| 11:05.25 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (n=nth@2002:54f0:1683:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 11:06.21 | *** join/#debian Coke (n=peter@1-1-1-8a.asp.sth.bostream.se) |
| 11:06.22 | m0rbid | pumpkin0: playing around server, and its sda. |
| 11:06.54 | Coke | Hi, I'm using archivemail to, well, archive mail. For some reason it stores my archived maildirs as mailbox, is there a better mailarchiver around that I could use instead? |
| 11:07.31 | *** join/#debian rusher_ (n=rusher@kaam0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp) |
| 11:08.00 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: unstable is really and BAD idea if you don't know how to mount a USB-stick or setup the network. unstable is the developers playground. It can break at any time in interessting and complex ways. |
| 11:08.04 | themolester | ok, its deffinately confirmed |
| 11:08.12 | themolester | theres no gnome now, on netinst |
| 11:08.19 | themolester | (default) |
| 11:08.20 | *** join/#debian kirdeb (n=oem@213.179.245.117) |
| 11:08.20 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: run: mkdir /stick; mount /dev/sda /stick |
| 11:08.32 | kirdeb | I have installed debian from a standard 32-bit Debian powerpc 'testing' with the kernel 2.6.17-2-powerpc64 |
| 11:08.33 | themolester | blondie how did you do with buscard? |
| 11:08.40 | kakalto | themolester: dare I say it.... "I told you so" :P |
| 11:08.43 | kirdeb | Then i did debootstrap --arch ppc64 etch /tmp/root64 http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/gcc4 |
| 11:08.46 | m0rbid | pumpkin0: indeed, but to be honest, I have never had much success with downgrading without reinstalling |
| 11:08.47 | blondie | havent got that far yet |
| 11:08.52 | kirdeb | l process of debootstrap gone well but at the end I had the error: Failure trying to run: chroot /tmp/root64 mount -t proc proc /proc. |
| 11:09.04 | *** join/#debian Danamania (n=Snak@ppp253-136.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 11:09.28 | themolester | kakakoka you also said to use expert, which diddn't give me any useful options related to it... and you must admit... it SHOULD have the same option... so i wasn't far off logic |
| 11:09.29 | themolester | :) |
| 11:09.30 | kirdeb | When I do chroot manual I have the error: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 11:09.31 | kirdeb | The command ldd /tmp/root64/bin/bash  gave the result: libncurses.so.5 => not found |
| 11:09.41 | themolester | either way, its most certianly a bug |
| 11:09.57 | themolester | if its going to install a desktop, it should damn well ask first |
| 11:10.00 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=dm@p54B33976.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:10.10 | kakalto | themolester: yeah, very true |
| 11:10.20 | *** join/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 11:10.30 | Guerin | themolester: i just sent my installation report with words to that effect. |
| 11:10.31 | themolester | im gonna try one of the snapshots |
| 11:10.37 | themolester | Guerin good |
| 11:10.47 | themolester | should i try the weekly, or daily |
| 11:10.59 | themolester | i got time... wasted 5 hours on this pos buscard installer |
| 11:11.00 | *** join/#debian kurst (n=jack@81.193.132.74) |
| 11:11.02 | vlt | Hello. Can I tell `diff` to ignore two files when their mtime is the same (in directory mode)? |
| 11:11.03 | themolester | might as well waste more |
| 11:11.05 | Guerin | the daily bizcard worked fine for me |
| 11:11.07 | pumpkin0 | m0rbid: did the mount work ? |
| 11:11.07 | kakalto | themolester: what irritated me, was it had that, so I went "YES, Desktop environment, thankyou"... I expected a selection between atleast KDE and GNOME, even XFCE... but no, it just went on ahead and started downloading... and no proper way to stop it, only the reboot button |
| 11:11.26 | m0rbid | pumpkin0: no fs on the stick, pondering which to use. |
| 11:11.32 | themolester | atleast i know now where i should stop and restart again |
| 11:11.42 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid just put FAT |
| 11:11.45 | themolester | kakakoka actually... nothing TOO wrong with that |
| 11:11.49 | m0rbid | mount -t vfat shows error |
| 11:11.50 | themolester | unless your short on hdd space |
| 11:11.55 | themolester | having the extra libs cant hurt |
| 11:11.59 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid what error? |
| 11:12.05 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid is the stick formated? |
| 11:12.07 | kakalto | themolester: my internet is 256k.... 600mb is about 6 hours. |
| 11:12.07 | themolester | if you want kde, install it after gnome |
| 11:12.11 | themolester | ah |
| 11:12.13 | m0rbid | no valid fs |
| 11:12.16 | kakalto | and I'm a minimalist |
| 11:12.16 | kakalto | =) |
| 11:12.17 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid do yo have the vfat module loaded? |
| 11:12.17 | themolester | i got 8mb |
| 11:12.28 | kakalto | I can't even get 8mb in my country =S |
| 11:12.34 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /tmp/usb? |
| 11:12.41 | themolester | my upload is a pathetic 512kb |
| 11:12.45 | *** part/#debian kurst (n=jack@81.193.132.74) |
| 11:12.49 | Guerin | kakalto: yeh, you can. Some places offer 10. |
| 11:12.51 | themolester | dont think i have it as good as the sweds, or the japs |
| 11:12.52 | m0rbid | Knight_Lord: yup |
| 11:12.52 | themolester | :) |
| 11:12.58 | Guerin | though realistically it's probably 4 |
| 11:13.01 | Knight_Lord | try sda2 |
| 11:13.02 | themolester | freakin sync 1g |
| 11:13.08 | themolester | to a home, for 100/mo |
| 11:13.08 | kakalto | Guerin: I thought it was "top line speed" (actually 7) |
| 11:13.10 | themolester | or less |
| 11:13.11 | themolester | heh |
| 11:13.16 | Guerin | kakalto: not if you have cable |
| 11:13.20 | kakalto | ah |
| 11:13.25 | *** join/#debian Petrov (i=Petrov@230.97-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 11:13.28 | *** join/#debian FredricR_ (i=FredricR@admin184.hgo.se) |
| 11:13.31 | m0rbid | ok its mounted |
| 11:13.32 | kakalto | which is available in the cities only? =/ |
| 11:13.33 | Guerin | kakalto: though i think hellstra only to welli and chch |
| 11:13.44 | Guerin | only *do* |
| 11:13.45 | themolester | Guerin in jp, you can get 1000/1000 for just over 100/mo |
| 11:13.52 | kakalto | Guerin: I heard about some big pipeline in aucky, doing good speeds, but meh |
| 11:13.54 | m0rbid | dumbass me forgot to put sda1 |
| 11:14.03 | *** join/#debian Bitmaster (n=Bitmaste@c-fb61e253.325-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:14.10 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 11:14.10 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. nope, Guerin no longer has fast internet because he's moved back to civilisation. Now he's back on dialup like the rest of the peasants. |
| 11:14.12 | Knight_Lord | m0rbid don't forget to umount it in the end |
| 11:14.38 | Guerin | themolester: i lived in korea for 3.5 years ;) |
| 11:14.38 | m0rbid | now how to save output of ifconfig |
| 11:14.38 | m0rbid | =/ |
| 11:14.42 | m0rbid | Knight_Lord: gotcha |
| 11:14.42 | karmatronic | Guerin: north or south ? |
| 11:14.44 | Guerin | kakalto: red tape will kill it |
| 11:14.50 | themolester | ya, korea is nice too (intenet only) |
| 11:14.51 | themolester | hehe |
| 11:14.52 | kakalto | Guerin: lol... I thought the 100mbit was referring to LAN :P |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | karmatronic: ha, funny. |
| 11:15.00 | karmatronic | Guerin: sorry |
| 11:15.06 | kakalto | korea is brilliant for net.... no wonder they have so many gamers |
| 11:15.07 | karmatronic | :) |
| 11:15.12 | Guerin | themolester: nah, korea is good for a bunch of reasons. |
| 11:15.30 | Guerin | but yeah, the internet is awesome |
| 11:15.32 | m0rbid | well, theres goes my techsupport. |
| 11:15.34 | m0rbid | =) |
| 11:15.39 | themolester | listening to nuclear testing bans... isn't one of em *ducks* |
| 11:15.45 | Coke | Does Debian have any mail-archiving tool that supports Maildir output? |
| 11:16.02 | Guerin | themolester: nukes make not a shred of difference to the security situation in Korea. |
| 11:16.14 | kakalto | m0rbid: as in, we're offtopic, or you no longer need help? |
| 11:16.41 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-229-218.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 11:16.52 | Knight_Lord | Guerin that's not exactly true, as even if it doesn't make a change in destructive power, it makes a difference in that it changes relations in the region |
| 11:16.56 | *** join/#debian dutche- (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 11:16.59 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: nope |
| 11:17.06 | Knight_Lord | Guerin specially Japan is not too happy |
| 11:17.32 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: the Norkies have been able to destroy their choice of Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing or Busan for about the last forty years, with civilian casualties upward of 500,000 in the first 12 hours |
| 11:17.43 | themolester | m0rbid save output of any console program (few exceptions) |
| 11:17.44 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-058-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:17.49 | themolester | programname > file |
| 11:17.49 | Knight_Lord | Guerin how? |
| 11:18.01 | Guerin | it makes a difference in the way public confidence makes a difference anywhere, but no real difference in a military sense |
| 11:18.05 | themolester | >> will append (not overwrite |
| 11:18.48 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: 600,000 artillery rounds per hour for up to 36 hours (sustained) in hidden bunkers in the mountains north of Seoul. |
| 11:18.50 | Knight_Lord | Guerin How would they get Tokio or Beijing 40 years ago? |
| 11:18.58 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: oh, back then they had planes |
| 11:19.03 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: now it's different |
| 11:19.17 | Knight_Lord | Guerin yea and the americans and chinese would really let the planes fly |
| 11:19.52 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: they signed an armistice because they were at a stalemate - and the Norkies kept developing their army, while the UN didn't. |
| 11:19.59 | Guerin | anyway, this is way offtopic |
| 11:20.20 | Guerin | basically, the rules since about 1955 have been `fuck with us and you lose a million civilians' |
| 11:20.21 | Knight_Lord | Guerin indeed :-) |
| 11:20.52 | Knight_Lord | Guerin yes I know, i'm just saying it's not exactly the same for the others around |
| 11:21.18 | Knight_Lord | Guerin although right now they probably can't get anywhere with the nukes, but it could become a problem in the future |
| 11:21.56 | *** join/#debian EdwardElric (i=fullmeta@d47-69-229-142.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 11:22.05 | Guerin | well, the only way things could get more crazy is if they get a delivery system which can cross the Pacific |
| 11:22.12 | Guerin | then it's game-on again |
| 11:23.32 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 11:23.37 | *** join/#debian mijndert (n=mijndert@c82014.upc-c.chello.nl) |
| 11:23.50 | themolester | m0rbid did i answer your question |
| 11:23.54 | *** join/#debian comfrey_ (n=comfrey@70.91.185.84) |
| 11:24.49 | m0rbid | themolester: yeah thanks |
| 11:24.54 | themolester | oh kakakoka i forgot to mention |
| 11:24.55 | m0rbid | I think my stick is dead. |
| 11:25.02 | themolester | if you try that vmware>realpc thing |
| 11:25.27 | themolester | one thing that may change is device order for ide/etc |
| 11:25.51 | *** join/#debian mkey (n=mkey@pD9E361C2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:26.01 | themolester | so you may want to keep that in mind... might need either a rescue cd to fix fstab, or to use labels instead of device paths |
| 11:26.20 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481E1EC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:26.26 | themolester | iirc debian creates labels, but does not use them |
| 11:26.38 | kakalto | themolester: oh, that's minor stuff to me =) |
| 11:26.58 | themolester | ya, but its something easilly overlooked |
| 11:26.59 | themolester | :) |
| 11:27.04 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-058-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:27.19 | themolester | also, the packages you install would have to be basic (i386) or similar |
| 11:27.32 | kakalto | themolester: I always have problems with distros trying to put the wrong grub settings, (main problem) |
| 11:28.02 | themolester | so if you ran vmware on a k7, installed k7 packages, you'd have to copy the hd image/or hdd to another k7 |
| 11:28.24 | kakalto | themolester: quite funny... I installed etch. it chose the wrong devices for grub. so I changed them. Upgraded the kernel to the current etch version (from 2.6.17 --> 2.6.18), and it changed it again, so I had to change grub again |
| 11:28.35 | Skept | hi, debian custom cd documentation asks me to copy the network installer cd to a directory. does it mean that i have to mount the iso file first? |
| 11:28.56 | *** join/#debian Seraphyn (n=seraphyn@213.9.110.116) |
| 11:28.59 | Seraphyn | hi |
| 11:29.12 | kakalto | hi |
| 11:29.14 | *** join/#debian rhalff (n=rob@a80-127-220-207.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:29.49 | rhalff | hi upgrading mysql-common hangs forever |
| 11:29.53 | *** join/#debian Seraphyn (n=seraphyn@213.9.110.116) |
| 11:29.54 | rhalff | I had no disk space during upgrade |
| 11:30.07 | rhalff | now I fixed that but it still hangs |
| 11:30.15 | rhalff | any clue on how to restart this process ? |
| 11:30.23 | rhalff | apt-get -f install doesn't help |
| 11:30.25 | themolester | perhaps a apt-get cleanup |
| 11:30.30 | themolester | or ... something like that |
| 11:30.37 | themolester | apt-get help |
| 11:30.38 | rhalff | ah I only did apt-get clean |
| 11:30.46 | Skept | or a apt-get remove maybe? |
| 11:30.46 | themolester | i may be remembering words wrong |
| 11:30.52 | themolester | ya, maybe that too |
| 11:30.56 | Guerin | Skept: guessing bad |
| 11:31.02 | Guerin | !guess |
| 11:31.02 | dpkg | hmm... guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 11:31.06 | themolester | iirc theres two cleanup options |
| 11:31.08 | karmatronic | themolester: dpkg -r some_package |
| 11:31.18 | Guerin | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
| 11:31.24 | karmatronic | themolester: untill you have enough space |
| 11:31.28 | Skept | Guerin: sorry |
| 11:31.33 | themolester | karmatronic point to Skept |
| 11:31.34 | themolester | :) |
| 11:31.37 | *** join/#debian Nibbier (n=sven@port-212-202-78-79.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 11:31.37 | karmatronic | themolester: yeah and the Guerin s thing |
| 11:31.41 | *** join/#debian cafuego_ (n=cafuego@ppp85-28.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net) |
| 11:31.52 | *** join/#debian MoL0ToV (n=g@host184-88-static.51-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:31.53 | Annexx | !backports |
| 11:31.53 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 11:31.54 | themolester | hey cafuego_ |
| 11:31.56 | Guerin | Skept: don't be sorry to me, it's you who's going to think `hmm, do I clip the blue wire, or the red wire' one day... |
| 11:31.56 | karmatronic | themolester: that s not even a joke |
| 11:32.08 | rhalff | Skept, apt-get remove gives many additional packages to be removed then |
| 11:32.09 | MoL0ToV | #skolelinux ##unavailable :Forwarding to another channel -----> this is normal? |
| 11:32.19 | cafuego_ | themolester: where? |
| 11:32.23 | *** join/#debian Bobik (n=bobik@host81-138-172-46.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 11:32.24 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: ask in #freenode |
| 11:32.36 | Skept | well, i meant apt-get remove mysql-common |
| 11:32.38 | themolester | cafuego_ just saying hey |
| 11:32.43 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.218.254) |
| 11:32.49 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 11:33.01 | themolester | :) im in the middle of testing something which is either HIGHLY counterintuitive, or a bug |
| 11:33.13 | MoL0ToV | * #freenode-social :Cannot send to channel |
| 11:33.19 | cafuego_ | themolester: "KDE"? It's a bug. |
| 11:33.24 | themolester | no |
| 11:33.30 | themolester | buscard iso for etch |
| 11:33.40 | themolester | installs xwin by default, with no option otherwise |
| 11:33.48 | MoL0ToV | are there someone that can help me with skolelinux? pls |
| 11:33.51 | cafuego_ | themolester: Yah, and the wrong drivers |
| 11:33.55 | kakalto | cafuego_: -2 flamebait :P |
| 11:34.10 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: wait, and you will eventually be given voice in #freenode. |
| 11:34.12 | cafuego_ | kakalto: truth hurts huh |
| 11:34.43 | themolester | cafuego_ so its a known issue? |
| 11:34.45 | kakalto | cafuego_: what can I say? nothing beats ncurses :P |
| 11:34.47 | MoL0ToV | Guerin, eventually?? |
| 11:34.50 | MoL0ToV | :P |
| 11:35.02 | cafuego_ | themolester: Well, known by me anyway, but that's not saying much <heh> |
| 11:35.02 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: soon enough. It happens periodically. |
| 11:35.23 | themolester | i tested the rc1, testing the nightly |
| 11:35.34 | *** join/#debian sep (n=sep@217.17.211.40) |
| 11:35.52 | themolester | yep |
| 11:35.55 | themolester | does it again |
| 11:36.10 | MoL0ToV | Guerin, ok thx, i have a problem woth skolelinux automated partitioning system, while i install with graphical installer. Do you kow if it is same that use debian (not skolelinux customized) ? |
| 11:36.14 | themolester | cafuego_ aren't you a dev? i remember you being a op |
| 11:36.23 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: no idea at all. |
| 11:36.38 | Annexx | im trying to install apache 2.2 with the backport but im getting unmet dependancies |
| 11:36.39 | cafuego_ | themolester: No, that's not right, you got that all wrong. You probably mean caphuso. |
| 11:36.40 | Guerin | i don't think cafuego_ was ever an op in hashdweebian |
| 11:36.41 | Annexx | any ideas? |
| 11:36.54 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 11:36.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 starving weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:37.03 | Guerin | herring and weasels |
| 11:37.09 | themolester | hrmm |
| 11:37.09 | Guerin | there's an idea for you |
| 11:37.15 | kakalto | well, I have the weasels... anyone else got the rest? |
| 11:37.25 | MoL0ToV | Guerin, i think that my host is banned... |
| 11:37.25 | themolester | musta remembered wrong |
| 11:37.32 | MoL0ToV | from voice |
| 11:37.33 | themolester | been years since i chatted here |
| 11:37.45 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: /msg one of the staff |
| 11:38.49 | themolester | is bob2 still around? |
| 11:38.59 | themolester | he used to be around at night like this |
| 11:39.00 | Guerin | themolester: haven't seen him in more than a year |
| 11:39.04 | themolester | ah |
| 11:39.11 | tarzeau | does anyone do automated installs with preseeding and etch? |
| 11:39.14 | themolester | ya... its been a long time |
| 11:39.16 | themolester | heh |
| 11:39.32 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=snoopy@p57A09E26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:39.32 | *** join/#debian TiffOn (n=TiffOn@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 11:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 680] by debhelper |
| 11:40.25 | *** join/#debian rusher_ (n=rusher@kaam0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp) |
| 11:40.44 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@zr198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:40.52 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thmss@AAmiens-153-1-3-172.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:41.18 | themolester | ok, so how do you submit a bugreport |
| 11:41.21 | themolester | about installer |
| 11:41.42 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 11:41.51 | kakalto | themolester: first, you find out if someone hasn't beaten you to it =) |
| 11:41.58 | Guerin | well |
| 11:42.03 | *** join/#debian quitte_ (n=quitte@stgt-d9beb436.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 11:42.06 | Guerin | just go and submit the durn thing anyhow |
| 11:42.11 | karmatronic | themolester: if you do one, submit that two |
| 11:42.12 | Guerin | more data points = good |
| 11:42.26 | *** join/#debian arib (n=ari@pD9E054A2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:42.42 | karmatronic | themolester: automated partionning during debian install makes the worst job ever |
| 11:43.10 | *** part/#debian Knight_Lord (n=Knight_L@ctv-213-164-102-79.vinita.lt) |
| 11:43.44 | capiira | hmmm xorg input prob still don't fixed in testing? |
| 11:44.00 | themolester | capiira what? |
| 11:44.13 | cafuego_ | No, bob2 is no longer around. |
| 11:44.23 | capiira | xorg impit prob with a fresh install |
| 11:44.25 | capiira | u |
| 11:44.27 | biopyte | hi. over the years you tweak your system so it matches almost perfectly your needs. if you want to backup the most important system parameters for system recovery or newinstall on a different machine, how would you do that. i guess it is the following: backup /etc and all configuration files in ~. Furthermore you need a list of all installed packages in a form that could be read by apt-get. how do i create such a list? Anything else that w |
| 11:44.27 | biopyte | ouls help? |
| 11:45.28 | cafuego_ | biopyte: dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt |
| 11:45.30 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 11:45.34 | Guerin | yeh |
| 11:45.41 | cafuego_ | biopyte: On the new machone: dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt |
| 11:45.50 | cafuego_ | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 11:45.51 | cafuego_ | wait |
| 11:45.53 | cafuego_ | enjoy |
| 11:46.23 | biopyte | cafuego: that should also work with aptitude, right? |
| 11:46.29 | MoL0ToV | -ChanServ- An access level of [8] is required for [VOICE] on #skolelinux |
| 11:46.42 | MoL0ToV | how to join #skolelinx chan? someone know? |
| 11:46.45 | cafuego_ | biopyte: Dunno, give it a try. |
| 11:46.50 | biopyte | cafuego: thanks |
| 11:46.58 | themolester | MoL0ToV this is not a network channel |
| 11:47.03 | themolester | this is a debian channel |
| 11:47.15 | Guerin | MoL0ToV: no idea. That gives me an indication it's not intended for users as much as developers. Suggest asking the mailing list. |
| 11:47.40 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:50.28 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@201.89.250.93) |
| 11:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 11:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 11:51.11 | psycodad | if i would like to install pkgs from http://packages.debianbase.de/testing/i386/nx/ how should me source.list line look like, im running out of possible variations to try ;-( |
| 11:51.28 | biopyte | cafuego: i just ran dpkg --get-selections. some packages are marked 'deinstall'. what does that mean? |
| 11:52.05 | biopyte | i checked. they are not installed. zombies? |
| 11:53.25 | h3sp4wn | biopyte: run aptitude search \~c (could be packages with just the config files left) |
| 11:53.31 | *** join/#debian csy- (n=csy@cpc3-harg1-0-0-cust503.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:54.48 | h3sp4wn | biopyte: then if you want to get rid of them aptitude purge \~c |
| 11:55.00 | h3sp4wn | biopyte: then there won't be in the list |
| 11:55.32 | *** join/#debian sam_uk (n=user@195.10.248.18) |
| 11:56.00 | biopyte | h3sp4wn: ty |
| 11:56.33 | *** part/#debian tenzing_ (n=tenzin@202.144.158.193) |
| 11:57.20 | *** part/#debian kazuu (n=andre@200-168-68-16.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 12:03.41 | *** join/#debian iveqy (n=iveqy@1-1-3-35a.mfb.mlm.bostream.se) |
| 12:04.35 | iveqy | hi. I'm having problems with compiz. When it start, but do not take controll over my windows, and do not leave any error msg |
| 12:05.19 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 12:05.44 | Guerin | iveqy: give up already |
| 12:06.25 | Guerin | compiz is strictly for people who put decals and big fins on the back of their honda civic so they can pick up 14 year-old girls |
| 12:06.26 | iveqy | Guerin: no, I'm stubborn. In fact i now have a nvidia driver loaded. I didn't had that before :D |
| 12:06.29 | *** join/#debian sybec (n=void@unaffiliated/sybec) |
| 12:06.34 | sybec | \o/ |
| 12:06.47 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: the version from experimental ? |
| 12:07.06 | h3sp4wn | (of nvidia-glx) |
| 12:07.18 | themolester | hey |
| 12:07.27 | themolester | i had an idea on why the installer is borked |
| 12:07.28 | iveqy | h3sp4wn: using etch |
| 12:07.48 | *** join/#debian skala (n=skala@x1-6-00-50-bf-ed-d0-bc.k380.webspeed.dk) |
| 12:07.50 | iveqy | h3sp4wn: and the guide from wiki.debian.org |
| 12:07.57 | themolester | doesn't the installer boot to xwin installation if supported |
| 12:08.01 | themolester | (installer only) |
| 12:08.06 | sybec | how do you fix the whole iceweasel upgrade thingy ("trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/firefox', which is also in package flashplugin-nonfree") |
| 12:08.10 | themolester | and fail back to ncurses install if needed |
| 12:08.22 | kakalto | iveqy: are you running it to replace your current wm? |
| 12:08.24 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: The only version of nvidia-glx that works with compiz and xorg is 9746 which is in experimental |
| 12:08.31 | themolester | Guerin |
| 12:08.32 | kakalto | like, compiz --replace something |
| 12:08.36 | kakalto | I can't remember too well |
| 12:08.53 | iveqy | compiz --replace right, That what I run.. |
| 12:09.05 | Guerin | themolester: i dunno, i chose gui to see what it was like |
| 12:09.14 | Techdeck | iveqy, use beryl |
| 12:09.20 | iveqy | h3sp4wn: yes.. how can I see my version? |
| 12:09.22 | Techdeck | much better than compiz |
| 12:09.32 | themolester | Guerin but, if you diddn't choose gui, would it choose it automatically |
| 12:09.33 | iveqy | Techdeck: but is it in the rep..? |
| 12:09.38 | Guerin | themolester: dunno |
| 12:09.42 | Techdeck | iveqy, nope but you can find deb's for it |
| 12:09.44 | themolester | well what im getting at |
| 12:09.46 | Techdeck | iveqy, what branch do you use? |
| 12:09.54 | iveqy | etch |
| 12:09.57 | Techdeck | hold on |
| 12:09.58 | themolester | is im installing on hardware which its not detecting to have xwin capabilities |
| 12:10.02 | iveqy | Techdeck: amd64 ;) |
| 12:10.03 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx | grep Installed: |
| 12:10.04 | themolester | vmware |
| 12:10.16 | themolester | and in that tasksel window... |
| 12:10.21 | themolester | desktop IS preselected |
| 12:10.24 | Techdeck | iveqy, oh :p |
| 12:10.33 | Techdeck | iveqy, but I still think it should work, sec |
| 12:10.39 | kakalto | *sigh* beryl is so much easier in gentoo... :P |
| 12:10.42 | themolester | so maybe its detecting that i shouldn't have access to it... and not showing it.... but forgetting to unselect it |
| 12:10.46 | iveqy | h3sp4wn: I think we have an error here.. That command didn't returned anything |
| 12:10.52 | sybec | kakalto: language please |
| 12:10.56 | Techdeck | iveqy, deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ |
| 12:10.57 | themolester | Guerin does that kinda make sense (its like 7am... really tired) |
| 12:11.07 | kakalto | sybec: sorry |
| 12:11.13 | iveqy | Techdeck: thx |
| 12:11.13 | Techdeck | iveqy, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian <-- |
| 12:11.16 | Techdeck | np |
| 12:11.23 | Techdeck | iveqy, then run 'beryl-manager' |
| 12:11.24 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: beryl is much less stable than compiz |
| 12:11.25 | *** part/#debian sybec (n=void@unaffiliated/sybec) |
| 12:11.37 | Techdeck | h3sp4wn, I actually had more problems with compiz than with beryl |
| 12:11.45 | kakalto | same here =/ |
| 12:12.15 | themolester | also... i just noticed the one i just tested is the daily for netinst, not business card |
| 12:12.37 | themolester | so netinst rc1 works, businesscard rc1 doesn't work, and daily netinst doesn't work aswell |
| 12:12.53 | kakalto | daily's aren't expected to work |
| 12:12.54 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@p57A4B987.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:13.01 | themolester | kakakoka thats not the point |
| 12:13.02 | themolester | :) |
| 12:13.10 | kakalto | hehe |
| 12:13.10 | themolester | the same bug carries over |
| 12:13.14 | themolester | meaning, wasn't fixed |
| 12:13.43 | kakalto | themolester: wait 'till it's released stable. then complain :P |
| 12:13.48 | themolester | not the entire system... though, it did complete, though it installed all of xwin like the borked buscard install |
| 12:13.49 | *** join/#debian gr1x (n=Administ@221.223.142.200) |
| 12:14.07 | themolester | kakakoka umm... if people dont complain when its testing ESPECIALLY at rc1... |
| 12:14.14 | themolester | it WONT be fixed by stable |
| 12:14.15 | themolester | ;-) |
| 12:14.19 | Guerin | themolester: yes, that does make sense. But it doesn't explain why *I* didn't get the option while doing a bare-metal install |
| 12:14.56 | kakalto | themolester: well, okay, fair enough with the rc1 borked buscard, but with daily's, there's a disclaimer attached.. |
| 12:15.07 | themolester | i understand testing is like a betatest... but if nobody submits bugs for betas... final products would look far worse |
| 12:15.08 | themolester | :) |
| 12:15.27 | themolester | kakakoka daily actually worked JUST as well as rc1 for me |
| 12:15.32 | themolester | though, not saying much |
| 12:15.49 | *** join/#debian viz (n=viz@grishnakh.ki.fh-mannheim.de) |
| 12:16.21 | themolester | Guerin perhaps the presumed detection routine, is not perfect |
| 12:16.29 | themolester | and detects your system as incapable |
| 12:16.30 | *** join/#debian cobra-expert (n=cobex4@ffk82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 12:16.32 | themolester | or something |
| 12:16.37 | *** part/#debian cobra-expert (n=cobex4@ffk82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 12:16.37 | themolester | dunno, just a theory |
| 12:16.43 | themolester | i submitted a bug report anyway |
| 12:16.45 | *** join/#debian Miten (n=chatzill@203.188.227.177) |
| 12:16.48 | themolester | somone will look at it (i hope) |
| 12:17.01 | *** join/#debian cableroy__ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 12:17.03 | Guerin | if that's the case, it's fucktarded, since this is the most generic system possible |
| 12:17.19 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 12:17.25 | Guerin | p3-1000 on a stock VIA board with a GeForce2 |
| 12:17.44 | themolester | dunno |
| 12:17.53 | themolester | submit yours aswell.. |
| 12:18.05 | themolester | and then they'll see its not only with vmware |
| 12:18.07 | kakalto | well, windows on my box (also VIA) seems to think it's very far from generic |
| 12:18.12 | Guerin | yeh, i did already |
| 12:18.32 | themolester | well.. sleep time |
| 12:18.33 | themolester | bbl |
| 12:18.42 | Guerin | yeh, i have to work at 0800 |
| 12:18.52 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version |
| 12:18.58 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 12:19.00 | iveqy | berylk works! :D |
| 12:19.01 | iveqy | thx |
| 12:19.19 | Techdeck | :D |
| 12:19.48 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 12:20.09 | h3sp4wn | iveqy: look forward to hard system crashes (usually a reason why things are not in debian) |
| 12:20.57 | *** join/#debian Prophecy (n=coenjaco@204-023-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 12:21.55 | *** join/#debian sei (n=sei@84.13.69.213) |
| 12:21.55 | Prophecy | How do I make APF firewall start automatically when Debian Sarge 3.1 boots? |
| 12:21.55 | blondie | what firewall? |
| 12:22.23 | SlayerXP | Prophecy: what's an APF firewall? |
| 12:22.41 | *** join/#debian Denzil (n=Denz@88-111-40-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 12:22.42 | *** join/#debian Niklot (n=Naklot1@c184240.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 12:22.44 | blondie | the linux firewall is built into the kernel so always runs |
| 12:22.47 | Niklot | moin |
| 12:23.15 | Prophecy | Based on the iptables firewall: http://www.rfxnetworks.com/apf.php |
| 12:23.23 | blondie | Prophecy: iptables isn't a firewall |
| 12:23.37 | Prophecy | No, but you know what i mean! ;) |
| 12:23.43 | *** part/#debian phogg (n=collin@c-69-251-94-190.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 12:23.45 | blondie | so I doubt that is either :P |
| 12:23.59 | Prophecy | Check the link! :) |
| 12:24.19 | Prophecy | Quote: "APF is a policy based iptables firewall system designed for ease of use and configuration." |
| 12:24.37 | Guerin | Prophecy: follow the author's instructions |
| 12:24.53 | Guerin | Prophecy: unless it's in debian |
| 12:25.01 | Guerin | which, if it's just iptables, is unlikely |
| 12:25.03 | blondie | Prophecy: doesn't make it correct |
| 12:25.15 | Prophecy | It says: chkconfig --add apf |
| 12:25.28 | Prophecy | But that doesn't work on my install, i get an error |
| 12:25.42 | blondie | Prophecy: ask them... not a debian package so we can't help |
| 12:26.06 | Prophecy | But the chkconfig? What kind of command is that? |
| 12:26.26 | h3sp4wn | Prophecy: chkconfig sounds like redhat |
| 12:26.30 | blondie | not a debian one again |
| 12:27.06 | Prophecy | What kind of firewall do you guys/girls recommend for a Debian install? |
| 12:27.11 | Guerin | Prophecy: none. |
| 12:27.24 | blondie | Prophecy: netfilter |
| 12:27.25 | karmatronic | Prophecy: iptables |
| 12:27.35 | Guerin | Prophecy: if you don't know enough about firewalling to write your own, they're basically worthless as a defence. |
| 12:27.36 | blondie | iptables is the problem to control netfilter |
| 12:27.44 | blondie | erm |
| 12:27.45 | blondie | program |
| 12:27.47 | Seraphyn | ei ni |
| 12:27.51 | Seraphyn | ei Niklot |
| 12:27.53 | Seraphyn | ;) |
| 12:27.55 | blondie | Seraphyn: english |
| 12:28.01 | karmatronic | blondie:i know i know :) |
| 12:28.12 | Seraphyn | blondie ei iss english |
| 12:28.14 | Seraphyn | ?!?! |
| 12:28.15 | *** join/#debian mikespook (i=mikespoo@125.31.224.127) |
| 12:28.22 | blondie | Seraphyn: speak English here. |
| 12:28.23 | Guerin | Prophecy: what are you protecting, anyway? One box, or a network? |
| 12:28.41 | karmatronic | blondie: i mean directly editing files with iptables syntax |
| 12:28.53 | karmatronic | Prophecy: or using shorewall |
| 12:28.53 | Seraphyn | i am talkin english whats your matter at all blondie ? |
| 12:29.03 | blondie | Seraphyn: "ei" is not an english word. |
| 12:29.06 | *** join/#debian pettsson_ (n=pettsson@h35n3fls32o292.telia.com) |
| 12:29.09 | blondie | neither is "talkin" |
| 12:29.55 | *** part/#debian Niklot (n=Naklot1@c184240.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 12:29.58 | Seraphyn | So, no streetenglish at all you mean ? |
| 12:31.14 | *** join/#debian lech (n=Lech@adsl-75-21-81-233.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 12:31.16 | *** join/#debian protocol1 (n=protocol@68-35-178-69.gci.net) |
| 12:31.31 | *** join/#debian liri (n=liran@80.178.89.24.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 12:31.57 | Seraphyn | blondie An Answere would be wonderfull |
| 12:32.17 | blondie | ask in English tehn |
| 12:32.20 | blondie | *then |
| 12:32.26 | Seraphyn | LOL |
| 12:32.28 | *** join/#debian Tygrys (i=tygrys@ornak.waw.pdi.net) |
| 12:32.34 | pngwn | !lol |
| 12:32.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:32.54 | *** join/#debian netcatc (n=netcatc@20158151032.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 12:32.59 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-131-145-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 12:33.02 | kakalto | roflcopter |
| 12:33.24 | lech | anyone here knowledgeable with a "Sorry, could not find a PTY." message from screen for normal users while under root it runs fine? |
| 12:33.25 | kakalto | :P |
| 12:33.32 | streuner_ | Seraphyn: so what's your debian related question, i don't see something in lastlog...? |
| 12:33.35 | *** join/#debian hark_ (n=strider@auh-as14561.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 12:34.26 | Seraphyn | streuner Nothing at all, sittin here, ejoy ma debian laptop and wonder why blondie said to me talk in english, grep the log, i speak allready english ;) |
| 12:35.01 | blondie | you do? |
| 12:35.23 | Seraphyn | Yes, i did |
| 12:35.35 | kakalto | <Seraphyn> blondie ei iss english |
| 12:35.39 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.44 | streuner | Seraphyn: its helpful to use Oxford english here, because many people are not native english speakers... |
| 12:36.07 | Seraphyn | Ahhh, okay thats an answere ;) Now i know the reason and will do it |
| 12:36.12 | Seraphyn | Sorry, about that |
| 12:36.21 | lech | isn't that an oxymoron? |
| 12:36.59 | blondie | "an answere"? |
| 12:37.27 | lech | anyway, does anyone have any tips/help/suggestions on how to solve the "Sorry, could not find a PTY." when attempting to run screen for normal users? |
| 12:37.30 | kakalto | lech: what, use oxford because many people don't speak english by default? not quite... I believe oxford is the standard... whether officially or not |
| 12:38.01 | blondie | guess what... Oxford is in England |
| 12:38.07 | streuner | lech: how many windows do you have open already? |
| 12:38.31 | lech | streuner, just a single login to a headless box |
| 12:38.35 | streuner | hm |
| 12:39.00 | lech | under root, screen appears to run fine as far as I can tell |
| 12:39.26 | lech | but under any other user with normal privledges it craps and complains of "Sorry, could not find a PTY." |
| 12:39.47 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@242.203-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 12:40.03 | streuner | lech: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:40.51 | lech | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:41.26 | lech | i'm still fairly newbish to administration on any nix box, so go easy on me :) |
| 12:41.57 | *** part/#debian Prophecy (n=coenjaco@204-023-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 12:42.30 | *** join/#debian Administrator_ (n=Administ@221.223.137.114) |
| 12:43.02 | streuner | lech: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:43.24 | lech | Linux version 2.6.17.3-kuroboxHG (hiroyuki@kuro-hg) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #2 Sat Jul 1 10:32:37 JST 2006 |
| 12:43.50 | h3sp4wn | So you are on powerpc |
| 12:43.56 | lech | yessir |
| 12:43.58 | karmatronic | lech your user get this message when they log in ? |
| 12:44.06 | *** join/#debian My8os (n=My8os@ppp94-207.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 12:44.10 | lech | karmatronic, which? |
| 12:44.48 | karmatronic | lech regular ones |
| 12:45.02 | streuner | lech: do you use udev? |
| 12:45.06 | lech | if you're refering to the PTY message on login, no. Only when attempting to run screen |
| 12:45.13 | *** join/#debian nayyares (n=nayyar@mx.cilix.co.mz) |
| 12:45.26 | nayyares | i am using postifx with virtual mailbox in mysql, i want to increase the mailbox size , in postfix database, there is a table mailbox and it has a cloumn named quota, i want to increase the size, but unable to understand what sort of value will work, i mean is it in bytes,kilobytes,megabytes ? |
| 12:45.40 | cydork | lech: do you plugdev in your user's groups? |
| 12:45.43 | lech | streuner, not sure how can i check? i was simply recommended this image and went with it from the kurobox group |
| 12:45.49 | cydork | s/do you/do you have/ |
| 12:45.55 | streuner | nayyares: did you checkout the searchengine at postfix.org ? |
| 12:46.51 | lech | cydork, i see an entry for plugdev in the group file, but nothing's assigned to it |
| 12:47.14 | streuner | lech: dpkg -l udev |
| 12:47.40 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:47.50 | lech | i'm guessing by this output that I'm not using it |
| 12:48.03 | lech | no version number or anything specific which would hit towards udev existing |
| 12:48.09 | lech | s/hit/hint |
| 12:48.27 | streuner | lech: hm, what permissions do you have for 'ls -l /dev/pty*'? |
| 12:48.48 | nayyares | nayyares, yeah, still searching google, i just want to get quick idea |
| 12:49.01 | lech | if i remember my permission settings, 0666 based on the crw-rw-rw- |
| 12:49.01 | cydork | lech: you have to add plugdev group to your users. |
| 12:49.22 | nayyares | streuner, yeah, still searching google, i just want to get quick idea |
| 12:49.30 | *** join/#debian Dr_MKV (n=gimp@adsl-2-254-31.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:49.43 | lech | cydork, let me try that real quick and relog to the box |
| 12:50.02 | streuner | postfix.org doesn't allow to search via google bot, you must search there.... |
| 12:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 12:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 12:50.44 | lech | cydork, same thing, No PTY/couldn't find PTY's |
| 12:51.27 | *** join/#debian BoogyMan (n=floobie@88-107-84-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 12:51.50 | *** join/#debian qiyong (n=qiyong@fc-cn.com) |
| 12:52.01 | lech | btw, what does the !/x/* specify between group names |
| 12:52.08 | lech | and id |
| 12:52.11 | *** join/#debian pikudo (n=pikudo@216.75.2.64) |
| 12:53.00 | *** join/#debian weggpod (n=weggpod@ivr94-7-82-245-252-174.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:53.25 | cydork | lech: man group |
| 12:53.33 | streuner | lech: what does 'ls -l /dev/ptmx' say? |
| 12:54.01 | lech | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 2 Jan 12 06:53 /dev/ptmx |
| 12:54.03 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-229-218.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 12:54.27 | *** join/#debian LSorensen (n=lsorense@adsl-149-232-250.pns.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:54.44 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-058-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:55.51 | streuner | lech: btw, where did you get that kernel from? |
| 12:56.08 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 12:56.18 | *** join/#debian JarJarBi1ks (n=stylie@87.239.71.35) |
| 12:56.52 | lech | streuner, it was an image created specifically for this hardware by the kurobox community. I don't necessarily remember the url where i grabbed it from though |
| 12:57.07 | *** join/#debian Givade (n=Givade@dslc-082-082-078-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:57.08 | lech | :\ |
| 12:57.35 | nayyares | streuner, still no clue |
| 12:57.42 | lech | let me see if i can find it again |
| 13:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 691] by debhelper |
| 13:00.02 | lech | debian-sarge-2.6.17.3-kuroBOX-20060702.tgz @ http://genbako.vodapone.com/debian-2.6.17.3/ |
| 13:00.28 | lech | it's a really slow host though |
| 13:00.50 | *** join/#debian g333k_work (n=gonzalo@200.62.245.15) |
| 13:02.20 | *** join/#debian laris (n=root@58.207.192.26) |
| 13:02.41 | *** join/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@LAubervilliers-151-13-91-32.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:07.33 | kakalto | is there a certain method to installing japanese input/font support (scim) in debian etch? |
| 13:07.44 | *** join/#debian Yosef (n=Yosef@dxb-b125222.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 13:07.46 | Yosef | Hi |
| 13:08.25 | kakalto | Hi |
| 13:08.48 | Yosef | I have question, I'm trying to connect to my pc at home useing WiNSCP, But when I just click login, It give error "connection refuse" somebody know why? |
| 13:09.23 | blondie | Yosef: the port isn't open |
| 13:10.35 | Yosef | blondie: But if I try to do that is the same local network, I can login normally, But when I use internet that's happen |
| 13:10.52 | *** part/#debian vlt (n=dm@p54B33976.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:10.55 | blondie | and have you opened/forwarded port 22 on your router? |
| 13:11.50 | lech | or whatever other port you specified in the sshd config |
| 13:11.50 | Yosef | blondie: I don't know , But I think that, Because when at home both pc will be connecting to the same router |
| 13:12.14 | blondie | Yosef: have you got an adsl/cable router at home? |
| 13:12.19 | Yosef | blondie: of course at home I use the local ip "192" |
| 13:12.25 | Yosef | yes |
| 13:12.27 | Yosef | adsl |
| 13:12.41 | blondie | have you told the router to forward port 22 to your linux machine? |
| 13:13.09 | Yosef | blondie: NO , I did nothing on the router |
| 13:13.10 | quitte | morning. how can i tell cp to replace a symlink with a file copied to it - instead of following it? |
| 13:13.19 | Yosef | blondie: i did not spoke to him |
| 13:13.30 | lech | on the local network you're able to ping/see machines on the network as things are open unless you plant the box in the DMZ |
| 13:13.39 | blondie | Yosef: the router is hardware not a person, and you need to do that or it won't work. |
| 13:13.49 | hark | hehe |
| 13:13.58 | Yosef | blondie: i'm jocking, I know |
| 13:14.37 | Yosef | I can pig in both network , my ip at home is 86.98.40.76 |
| 13:14.37 | lech | streuner, cydork, any ideas? |
| 13:15.02 | lech | if it pings, that just means your router/modem isn't stealthed |
| 13:15.52 | lech | else you're pretty much allowing that kind of traffic, it wont say much about which ports are open unless you do a scan |
| 13:15.58 | quitte | at the moment i rm the symlink and the copy in a second step. as those are quite a lot of files this is really annoying. man cp didnt help me either |
| 13:16.01 | streuner | lech: well, that's NOT a debian (official) kernel, i would ask the Kurobox group about (mailing-list) |
| 13:16.14 | blondie | Yosef: have you forwarded the port or not? |
| 13:16.18 | quitte | for some reason even the delete target beforecopying option doesnt work |
| 13:16.38 | lech | streuner, yeah, I suppose I'll do that :\ those guys are extremely slow to respond though |
| 13:16.38 | Yosef | blondie: no, I didn't |
| 13:16.46 | blondie | well do that |
| 13:17.21 | qiyong | in orde for pxe boot and install, why debian pkg or iso image should I use? |
| 13:17.25 | Yosef | blondie: what's port forward? whay I can do that when I connect to the exact router? |
| 13:17.58 | blondie | it tells the router that connections from the internet to port 22 should go to your debian machine. |
| 13:18.13 | *** join/#debian karmatronic (n=karma@84.77.152.248) |
| 13:18.16 | blondie | it's offtopic here... ##networking is hte best place to ask |
| 13:18.45 | quitte | qiyong: pxe boot unfortunately isn't always the same. unless you want to run a diskless client i'd strongly recommend booting from physical media. |
| 13:19.13 | Yosef | blondie: Yea, I understand, But I think this function is not available in my router, I need to see |
| 13:19.35 | blondie | Yosef: well if it's not, you can't do it |
| 13:19.43 | blondie | though I would have thought it was there |
| 13:20.25 | Yosef | blondie: , Thank you for help |
| 13:21.24 | qiyong | quitte, in orde for pxe boot and install, *what* debian pkg or iso image should I use? |
| 13:21.52 | qiyong | quitte, ok |
| 13:23.17 | *** join/#debian igli (n=igli@82.152.207.207) |
| 13:23.39 | *** join/#debian g8m (n=evil@cp82868-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 13:25.25 | *** join/#debian [wz]MaC (n=mac@e182008044.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:25.31 | *** part/#debian kirdeb (n=oem@213.179.245.117) |
| 13:27.29 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 13:27.44 | quitte | qiyong: the implementations i have used work with just bootp/dhcp and a tftp server. there are images that are quite obviouslylabeled network boot. those are just a kernel and a initrd |
| 13:28.29 | pipeline | qiyong: When you go to an FTP, you'll see a "pxeboot" tarball, IIRC. You should just need dhcp+tftp to actually do the booting. |
| 13:28.54 | jetscreamer | quitte: it's not --no-dereference that you want? |
| 13:29.27 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-229-218.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 13:30.58 | *** join/#debian rohan (n=Rohan@unaffiliated/rohan) |
| 13:31.01 | rohan | hi .. |
| 13:31.11 | kakalto | hi .. |
| 13:31.47 | rohan | is debian a good "laptop" distro ? i.e. are all hotkeys set up automaticaly ? and, all acpi events too ? |
| 13:32.51 | quitte | jetscreamer: that doesn't work for some reason |
| 13:33.53 | quitte | jetscreamer: the file the symlink points to is missing. that is the reason im doing this in te first place and i guess also the reason cp refuses to replace the link with all options i tried |
| 13:34.29 | *** part/#debian Coke (n=peter@1-1-1-8a.asp.sth.bostream.se) |
| 13:35.07 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=snoopy@p57A09E26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:35.47 | *** join/#debian lg8` (n=asans@h69-129-38-38.69-129.unk.tds.net) |
| 13:36.17 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-229-218.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 13:36.18 | biopyte | hi. i need to extract text data from an .jpg. The .jpg shows nothing else but a table. is there tool for this kind of task and if so, is there a .deb? |
| 13:37.23 | *** join/#debian GAZ2 (i=hidden-u@pop.delarey.co.za) |
| 13:37.33 | qiyong | quitte, pipeline i can boot, but my intention is to a fresh installation |
| 13:37.34 | biopyte | probably not, since .jpg is bitmap and has no concept of characters. |
| 13:37.41 | *** join/#debian cahoot_ (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 13:38.02 | Denzil | must be some OCR program |
| 13:38.06 | *** join/#debian stormblade_ (n=stormbla@88.247.196.5) |
| 13:38.11 | GAZ2 | ???????????????????????????????????? |
| 13:38.32 | quitte | qiyong: cant you just boot from a cd? |
| 13:38.56 | kakalto | GAZ2: do you have a question? |
| 13:39.03 | quitte | qiyong: for a pxe boot you first need to setup a server for netbooting. |
| 13:39.09 | stormblade_ | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp: unstable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok) |
| 13:39.14 | stormblade_ | how can i solve this |
| 13:39.27 | *** join/#debian pucko- (n=arvidjo@c80-216-165-91.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 13:39.28 | *** join/#debian _shawn (n=shawn@adsl-70-132-3-177.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:39.39 | GAZ2 | no just observing |
| 13:39.47 | jetscreamer | fix your sources probably but i'm guessing |
| 13:39.53 | qiyong | quitte, no cd |
| 13:39.58 | eisen_ | biopyte: search the repo for "ocr" |
| 13:39.58 | jetscreamer | post your sources.list somewhere |
| 13:40.31 | stormblade_ | ıt ıs not related to sources ıt is related wıth the amd64 .. I can use ı386 binaries to i think but i dont know how |
| 13:41.02 | *** join/#debian MIhwas_w (n=mihwas_a@88.205.134.107) |
| 13:41.04 | GAZ2 | //./.././././././. |
| 13:41.09 | quitte | qiyong: bu you do have a second machine that already runs some unix to boot from? |
| 13:41.12 | *** join/#debian kamuix_ (i=kamuix@22.111.94.80.dsl.libello.mc) |
| 13:41.12 | jetscreamer | kick gaz2 somebody |
| 13:41.32 | GAZ2 | try ma |
| 13:41.55 | qiyong | quitte, yes, i can pxe boot, but how to do the installation? |
| 13:42.09 | stormblade_ | deb ftp:/ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 13:42.17 | azeem | jetscreamer: you should know how to contact the ops by now |
| 13:42.21 | stormblade_ | well actuallt this is just the sources |
| 13:42.25 | azeem | besides, I don't think there is a problem yet |
| 13:42.32 | jetscreamer | _ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages just doesn't seem valid, and not just the _'s |
| 13:42.51 | jetscreamer | well ok nm |
| 13:43.11 | GAZ2 | ok |
| 13:43.39 | jetscreamer | azeem: yes but i didn't wanna do the !op thing... didn't seem to be the thing to do yet |
| 13:43.51 | biopyte | eisen: thx |
| 13:43.53 | stormblade_ | i think there is'nt a amd64 repository and wanna use i386 binaries but how can i show the system as i386 |
| 13:44.00 | *** join/#debian Edward_TLS (n=Edward@office.kzg.ams.ebuddy.net) |
| 13:44.03 | GAZ2 | ./.././././../ |
| 13:44.04 | azeem | jetscreamer: uhm, ok |
| 13:44.06 | GAZ2 | ./././././//./././/./ |
| 13:44.08 | jetscreamer | azeem: |
| 13:44.10 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 13:44.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 13:44.12 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:44.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@pop.delarey.co.za] by azeem |
| 13:44.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 13:44.22 | biopyte | eisen: but for ocr i need to scan a hardcopy, right? |
| 13:44.25 | blondie | GAZ2: do you have a debian question?> |
| 13:44.27 | blondie | oh :) |
| 13:44.30 | azeem | GAZ2: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please try to play along nicely |
| 13:44.36 | jetscreamer | i have a feel for spam... |
| 13:44.40 | stormblade_ | so any ideas...? |
| 13:44.49 | eisen_ | biopyte: you might have to convert the image to some format the tool can read |
| 13:45.05 | biopyte | eisen: really? ok i try. |
| 13:45.07 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:45.17 | *** join/#debian iote (n=iote@c911f558.bhz.virtua.com.br) |
| 13:45.19 | eisen_ | but I don't think the free ocr tools offer high recognition |
| 13:45.54 | x_link | I just want to ask something that doesn't have anything to do with Debian- |
| 13:46.11 | jetscreamer | there's #debian-offtopic and #linux |
| 13:46.18 | DerJamster | ##linux ;) |
| 13:46.21 | x_link | I downloaded this supertux game, there I can check/uncheck a option called OpenGL, a guy told me to check it. But when I do it laggs more. |
| 13:46.24 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:46.26 | x_link | Okey. |
| 13:46.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. What do I do when a configure file outputs: |
| 13:46.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in autotools "."/autotools |
| 13:46.46 | *** join/#debian fwd (n=fwd@213.184.238.29) |
| 13:46.48 | DerJamster | x_link: well, make sure your videocards 3d acceleration works. |
| 13:46.50 | jetscreamer | x_link: nvidia vid card? |
| 13:46.55 | *** join/#debian g333k_work (n=gonzalo@200.62.245.15) |
| 13:47.05 | DerJamster | _that_ will be debian specific again, more or less ;P |
| 13:47.06 | x_link | jetscreamer: Yes, nVIDIA GeForce 6150 onboard 128MB. |
| 13:47.07 | streuner | darkyo: what kind of package is that? |
| 13:47.18 | DerJamster | x_link: got the nvidia drivers installed? |
| 13:47.18 | jetscreamer | x_link: the nv driver only does 2d |
| 13:47.22 | x_link | DerJamster: Yes. |
| 13:47.25 | DerJamster | the official ones? |
| 13:47.26 | biopyte | eisen: apt-cache gives me a lot ocr programs. i guess, you cant recommend one. |
| 13:47.30 | x_link | DerJamster: Yes. |
| 13:47.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
| 13:47.34 | x_link | I changed it to that. |
| 13:47.36 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: what kind of app is that? |
| 13:47.38 | DerJamster | glxgears returns what? |
| 13:47.39 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@5634dfcf.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 13:47.41 | eisen_ | biopyte: no, I never played with it myself |
| 13:47.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: Transcode |
| 13:47.42 | *** join/#debian rob (i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob) |
| 13:47.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: CVS. |
| 13:47.46 | x_link | DerJamster: Cause the official drivers works better with Beryl. |
| 13:47.49 | jetscreamer | x_link: do glxinfo in an xterm, and do what DerJamster says |
| 13:47.50 | biopyte | eisen_: ok |
| 13:47.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: Used autoconf to generate the configure file |
| 13:48.01 | x_link | jetscreamer: Ok |
| 13:48.13 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: check their documentation on how to properly configure a cvs checkout |
| 13:48.21 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: read README or install instructions, why don't just use the package of marillat? |
| 13:48.31 | x_link | DerJamster: When I do glxinfo alot of numbers comes uo. |
| 13:48.32 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: they probably ship an "autogen.sh" script or something |
| 13:48.33 | x_link | up. |
| 13:48.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: I did. It didn't say exactly how to do it. |
| 13:48.37 | Seraphyn | rohan think this one will help |
| 13:48.38 | eisen_ | biopyte: but I believe there are also web services that do it online |
| 13:48.41 | jetscreamer | x_link: you want to not see mesa in the glxinfo output |
| 13:48.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Hmm... I'll look |
| 13:48.48 | quitte | qiyong: setup a dhcp and atftp server and start by getting the machine to boot any kernel. once youve done that find the installer image and put that in your tftp server. if booting from dhcp+tftp only doesnt work have a look at the pxe package |
| 13:48.48 | rohan | Seraphyn: yes ? |
| 13:48.52 | DerJamster | x_link: what's the frames per 5 secs? |
| 13:48.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Can't see one |
| 13:49.13 | Seraphyn | rohan Shure don't think that is something to mind about |
| 13:49.29 | jetscreamer | server glx vendor string: OpenGL vendor string: |
| 13:49.33 | jetscreamer | those 2 |
| 13:49.42 | rohan | Seraphyn: i didnt get you ? |
| 13:49.46 | eisen_ | biopyte: e.g http://weocr.ocrgrid.org/ |
| 13:49.53 | x_link | DerJamster: http://www.pastebin.ca/314131 Looks like that. Take a look if you want to and have time. =) |
| 13:49.57 | biopyte | eisen_: hey, thanks |
| 13:49.59 | stormblade_ | anyone knos a deb repository for amd64 |
| 13:50.02 | qiyong | quitte, pxe works very well for me here |
| 13:50.09 | *** join/#debian tasty (n=tasty@modemcable015.79-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 13:50.11 | *** join/#debian Bertieee (n=B@cpc1-nott4-0-0-cust155.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:50.18 | DerJamster | hmh, direct rendering: yes |
| 13:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 13:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 13:50.37 | DerJamster | x_link: how many frames do you get per 5 secs in glxgears? |
| 13:50.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: No wait, found a different documentation |
| 13:50.42 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: then ask them, this is not really on topic here |
| 13:50.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: It says how to do it. :) |
| 13:50.52 | qiyong | quitte, i can use pxe and did boot rhel and freebsd, i am asking how to do installation after pxe boot up in debian |
| 13:51.05 | biopyte | eisen_:gocr and ocrad work with pbm files. i could give that a try, too, after converting. |
| 13:51.08 | *** join/#debian czr (n=czr@iohazard.net) |
| 13:51.23 | x_link | DerJamster: When I do glxgears in my konsole a small window comes up, with 3 things in it spinning. |
| 13:52.08 | czr | !clone |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 13:52.22 | czr | err :-) |
| 13:52.36 | DerJamster | x_link: yes. move that window away from the console window and watch the numbers |
| 13:52.49 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 13:52.51 | DerJamster | x_link: what's the rough amount of frames per 5 secs? |
| 13:52.54 | *** join/#debian speeve1 (n=speeves@cwsvpat.usg.unt.edu) |
| 13:53.00 | *** join/#debian RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 13:53.04 | DerJamster | and your FPS |
| 13:53.08 | x_link | DerJamster: I will see, but I'm not sure if I understand what you mean =/ |
| 13:53.14 | czr | how did one clone the package list with dpkg? |
| 13:53.15 | azeem | DerJamster: I don't think this is the appropriate way to check for hardware 3d |
| 13:53.17 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 13:53.31 | DerJamster | azeem: it's a rough way to check if direct rendering is working :> I know it's no benchmark |
| 13:53.43 | hark | glxgears -printfps |
| 13:53.48 | *** join/#debian SEcki (n=SEcki@e181107106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:53.54 | *** join/#debian n0rus (n=linuxoid@210.85-200-239.bkkb.no) |
| 13:53.57 | x_link | DerJamster: Nothing comes up in my konsole, I don't see any numbers at all. |
| 13:54.03 | azeem | x_link: that's expected |
| 13:54.37 | x_link | azeem: Okey, how should I then see frames per 5 seconds? |
| 13:54.39 | katabatic | anybody very knowledgeable willing to help me? nobody can figure out my problem |
| 13:54.46 | hark | x_link: glxgears -printfps |
| 13:54.49 | n0rus | I have generated a list over pkgs with "dpkg --get-selections". I transfered the list to another computer. How do I install the listed pkgs? |
| 13:54.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.51 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@pop.delarey.co.za] by azeem |
| 13:54.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 13:54.51 | x_link | Ahh.... I will just leave this alone. |
| 13:54.54 | x_link | hark: Okey, thanks =) |
| 13:55.21 | czr | n0rus, that is the exact question I have as well |
| 13:55.22 | rgsteele | katabatic: Judging by your question, we have absolutely no clue what you're referring to. |
| 13:55.24 | *** join/#debian skx (n=skx@www.steve.org.uk) |
| 13:55.24 | *** part/#debian MIhwas_w (n=mihwas_a@88.205.134.107) |
| 13:55.26 | x_link | DerJamster: 2575 frames in 5.0 seconds = 514.916 FPS |
| 13:55.43 | x_link | DerJamster: But the numbers are changing all the time. |
| 13:55.52 | *** part/#debian Seraphyn (n=seraphyn@213.9.110.116) |
| 13:55.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Off topic question: Why do you de-op yourself? |
| 13:56.02 | x_link | Now it's 2225 for example. |
| 13:56.05 | katabatic | rgsteele, that's nice and all, but I'm sick of asking it cause nobody can help |
| 13:56.07 | DerJamster | yeah, that's okay. |
| 13:56.10 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: why not? |
| 13:56.13 | x_link | DerJamster: Okey. |
| 13:56.18 | rgsteele | !ask |
| 13:56.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:56.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Well, it's less work not to. :P |
| 13:56.42 | azeem | x_link: glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 13:56.43 | RichiH | Dark_Apostrophe: experience has shown that not walking around with ops creates a more relaxed atmosphere |
| 13:56.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 13:56.55 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 13:57.01 | RichiH | Dark_Apostrophe: there are scripts that do the op/deop for you |
| 13:57.17 | RichiH | Dark_Apostrophe: he does not actually op or deop by hand |
| 13:57.18 | n0rus | czr: http://lwn.net/Articles/75114/ |
| 13:57.19 | x_link | azeem: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6150/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! |
| 13:57.21 | n0rus | scroll down |
| 13:57.30 | azeem | x_link: so that's fine, you have hardware 3D |
| 13:57.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | RichiH: Ok |
| 13:57.39 | x_link | Yeah I know =) |
| 13:57.45 | *** join/#debian obstfliege (n=obstflie@xdsl-87-78-16-133.netcologne.de) |
| 13:57.49 | azeem | x_link: so why did you run glxgears again? |
| 13:57.56 | DerJamster | Might be the game itself. |
| 13:57.57 | x_link | azeem: Maybe my video card is to bad and maybe that's the reason it laggs when i check OpeNGL. |
| 13:58.08 | x_link | azeem: I don't know, DerJamster told me to =) |
| 13:58.09 | *** join/#debian AZB (n=AZB@ncecc2.ford.com) |
| 13:58.11 | azeem | x_link: I don't know, could be |
| 13:58.15 | katabatic | the problem is the computer won't get an IP address from th router at boot via DHCP, I have to run a command like dhclient eth0 or something manually |
| 13:58.15 | x_link | DerJamster: Okey. |
| 13:58.31 | x_link | azeem: My video card is a onboard one, how could it say PCI then? |
| 13:58.57 | azeem | x_link: those are connected via PCI as well, AFAIK |
| 13:59.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: Many such things just do. Probably just connected to the PCI subsystem |
| 13:59.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | onboard sound cards usually do that |
| 13:59.17 | azeem | PCI is a bus, not a physical thing |
| 13:59.19 | qiyong | quitte, hi |
| 13:59.31 | x_link | Okey.. |
| 13:59.41 | x_link | Thanks alot for the help guys ! |
| 13:59.46 | x_link | I really appreciate it alot, thanks again! |
| 14:00.01 | *** join/#debian kakalto_ (n=kakalto@wired-210-54-56-92.ps.net.nz) |
| 14:00.03 | azeem | katabatic: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces properly? |
| 14:00.14 | *** join/#debian Alex_78 (n=Alex_78@PPP-01-181.beobug.com) |
| 14:00.14 | katabatic | it worked fine on fresh install, then I broke it somehow |
| 14:00.23 | katabatic | maybe the service isn't starting? |
| 14:00.34 | azeem | katabatic: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces properly? |
| 14:01.13 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 14:01.15 | x_link | azeem: I have a program that's not runnin okey on my Debian, where can I ask that kind of question? |
| 14:01.23 | *** join/#debian kakalto_ (n=kakalto@wired-210-54-56-92.ps.net.nz) |
| 14:01.29 | abrotman | x_link: here .... |
| 14:01.31 | jetscreamer | i've found that to be a bug, the nic not working after a reboot (after install) |
| 14:01.37 | *** part/#debian rohan (n=Rohan@unaffiliated/rohan) |
| 14:01.38 | x_link | abrotman: Okey, thanks! |
| 14:01.38 | azeem | x_link: you can ask it here, but don't ask individuals like me, ask the channel |
| 14:01.41 | jetscreamer | add auto eth0 iirc |
| 14:01.42 | katabatic | I don't know |
| 14:01.45 | x_link | azeem: Okey. |
| 14:01.56 | azeem | katabatic: paste your interfaces file to a pastebin |
| 14:01.58 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:01.58 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 14:02.14 | qiyong | quitte, bye |
| 14:02.31 | *** join/#debian gr1x (n=Administ@221.223.138.159) |
| 14:02.40 | x_link | I have a program called FrosWire, it just works the first time I use it after the installation. Next time I want to use it then it doesn't work. The window opens etc. but I don't get any picture, like I can't see the settings, options etc. The window is all grey. |
| 14:02.46 | x_link | What could be causing this? |
| 14:02.48 | katabatic | http://www.pastebin.ca/314143 |
| 14:03.00 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 14:03.14 | azeem | katabatic: indeed, the "auto eth0" is missing |
| 14:03.24 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 14:03.27 | jetscreamer | it's at the bottom |
| 14:03.31 | azeem | h |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | x_link: that's not a debian package ... |
| 14:04.05 | jetscreamer | i don't know if it matters where... probably |
| 14:04.08 | azeem | x_link: hard to say, ask the people who wrote the program, maybe |
| 14:04.15 | x_link | Okey. |
| 14:04.25 | azeem | katabatic: so try to move that "auto eth0" above the eth0 line |
| 14:04.36 | katabatic | it should be on top? |
| 14:04.46 | jetscreamer | over it |
| 14:05.10 | katabatic | what's the difference? |
| 14:05.13 | katabatic | if it's on the bottom |
| 14:05.38 | jetscreamer | all i know is mine works. guess where it is. |
| 14:05.42 | azeem | katabatic: feel free to read the ifup source code |
| 14:05.54 | azeem | katabatic: it's just a thought, maybe it works better that way |
| 14:06.05 | jetscreamer | you have 3 nics and a wireless? |
| 14:06.06 | katabatic | okay, let me try that then |
| 14:06.10 | katabatic | I'll beback and let you know |
| 14:06.58 | *** join/#debian cga (n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 14:07.37 | *** join/#debian nukleuz (n=nukleuz@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 14:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 683] by debhelper |
| 14:10.50 | *** join/#debian obstfliege_ (n=obstflie@xdsl-84-44-244-153.netcologne.de) |
| 14:11.51 | *** join/#debian arieler173 (n=ariel@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net) |
| 14:12.43 | *** join/#debian Firestarter- (n=Firestar@cpe-74-70-77-98.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 14:14.12 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 14:15.53 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 14:16.26 | katabatic | nope |
| 14:16.29 | katabatic | that didn't help |
| 14:17.07 | katabatic | but running the command dhclient eth0 makes it work until I reboot again. maybe some service isn't running?? |
| 14:17.37 | azeem | katabatic: instead of dhclient eth0, use ifup eth0 |
| 14:17.40 | azeem | and ifdown eth0 |
| 14:17.51 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 14:18.08 | katabatic | ok |
| 14:18.10 | azeem | katabatic: you can test that manually, just kill the dhclient process and deconfigure eth0, then run "ifup eth0" |
| 14:18.20 | azeem | if that works, something strange is going on during bootup |
| 14:18.27 | katabatic | what is? |
| 14:18.32 | azeem | ? |
| 14:18.43 | katabatic | what works? |
| 14:18.46 | katabatic | if what works? |
| 14:19.15 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 14:19.19 | katabatic | you think ifup eth0 will fix it permanently? |
| 14:19.23 | azeem | if the procedure I outlined above works |
| 14:19.23 | *** join/#debian JamieCope (n=tony@86.121.11.27) |
| 14:19.39 | azeem | katabatic: no, but ifup uses /etc/network/interfaces as config file |
| 14:19.48 | katabatic | okay |
| 14:19.51 | azeem | better yet, try ifup -a |
| 14:19.52 | azeem | or something |
| 14:19.58 | azeem | yeah |
| 14:20.03 | JamieCope | Hello. apt-get update returns the following error: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 ; W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 14:20.05 | azeem | that should bring up all auto interfaces |
| 14:20.13 | JamieCope | what should i do to fix this? |
| 14:21.04 | jetscreamer | !tell JamieCope -about apt-key |
| 14:21.18 | katabatic | how do I kill dhclient and deconfigure eth0 as you said |
| 14:21.21 | jetscreamer | ah hmmm |
| 14:21.25 | jello | JamieCope: see /topic |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | JamieCope: see /topic |
| 14:21.29 | *** join/#debian DevilChaos (n=DevilCha@87.112.31.6.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 14:21.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | damn you! |
| 14:21.47 | jello | abrotman: slowing down in your old age? :) |
| 14:21.51 | *** join/#debian smhar (n=salman@82.194.43.187) |
| 14:21.53 | jetscreamer | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 maybe |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | jello: you're just as old! |
| 14:22.04 | smhar | hi all |
| 14:22.15 | jello | abrotman: my birthday isn't until the end of feb... |
| 14:22.16 | katabatic | azeem, http://www.pastebin.ca/314157 |
| 14:22.24 | smhar | is eclipse available for debian etch yet? |
| 14:22.40 | jello | smhar: check packages.debian.org |
| 14:22.58 | jetscreamer | like i said earlier, you have 3 nics and a wireless? |
| 14:23.00 | *** join/#debian snowbird (n=joshua@daphmb01dc1-215-2.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 14:23.13 | *** join/#debian bmbsmk (n=bmbsmk@bmbpcu44.leeds.ac.uk) |
| 14:23.14 | katabatic | no |
| 14:23.18 | azeem | katabatic: hrm, it doesn't talk about eth0 at all |
| 14:23.20 | katabatic | 1 wired, 1 wireless |
| 14:23.23 | katabatic | yeah, I noticed it doesn't |
| 14:23.25 | katabatic | is that a good or bad thing? |
| 14:23.43 | jetscreamer | did you try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 14:24.15 | JamieCope | Heh nice. I solved it. But how come i have never encoutered this error until some weeks ago? |
| 14:24.27 | smhar | seems it is only available for unstable for now |
| 14:24.31 | jello | katabatic: did you post your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:24.54 | jello | JamieCope: it's the new secure apt in etch |
| 14:26.07 | JamieCope | So now i installed debian-archive-keyring i will never encounter that message again? |
| 14:26.07 | jetscreamer | jello: yes he did |
| 14:26.15 | jello | jetscreamer: where? |
| 14:26.17 | jetscreamer | <katabatic> azeem, http://www.pastebin.ca/314157 |
| 14:26.29 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 14:26.33 | jello | jetscreamer: that's just the ifup -a output |
| 14:26.34 | katabatic | http://www.pastebin.ca/314163 |
| 14:26.40 | azeem | JamieCope: hopefully, yes |
| 14:26.43 | katabatic | here is what I get after doing ifdown |
| 14:26.47 | jetscreamer | that would be the revised version |
| 14:26.48 | katabatic | and then up |
| 14:27.09 | azeem | JamieCope: you need to keep it uptodate though, as the current keys will expire at some point, and new keys will get added |
| 14:27.10 | jetscreamer | hey look it worked |
| 14:27.12 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 14:27.15 | *** join/#debian bmbsmk (n=bmbsmk@bmbpcu44.leeds.ac.uk) |
| 14:27.50 | azeem | katabatic: make sure you have eth0 deconfigured and ran "ifdown eth0" before "ifup -a" |
| 14:28.00 | jetscreamer | katabatic: if it was me, i'd comment out eth1 and eth2 lines |
| 14:28.07 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 14:28.07 | katabatic | II did |
| 14:28.14 | azeem | katabatic: ok |
| 14:28.17 | katabatic | azeem, I fif ifdown before, then ran ifup |
| 14:28.19 | katabatic | and get this |
| 14:28.20 | katabatic | http://www.pastebin.ca/314163 |
| 14:28.59 | azeem | katabatic: that looks good |
| 14:29.01 | katabatic | so it works fine when I do that |
| 14:29.11 | katabatic | so that and dhclient eth0 , works fine |
| 14:29.14 | katabatic | but it won't work at boot! |
| 14:29.16 | katabatic | arg! |
| 14:29.23 | jetscreamer | katabatic: it should, now |
| 14:29.29 | katabatic | why? |
| 14:29.37 | jello | katabatic: do you have errors in /var/log/syslog from bootup? |
| 14:29.50 | jetscreamer | because you moved the auto eth0 and commented out the eth1&2 |
| 14:30.04 | jello | sounds reasonable |
| 14:30.04 | azeem | katabatic: do you get the message "Configuring network devices..." during bootup? |
| 14:30.05 | jetscreamer | but i could be wrong |
| 14:30.07 | DevilChaos | hi folks im struggleing with my wireless adapter for my think pad 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) i have the madwifi module compiled and installed and have 2 different entries when i do ifconfig ath0 and wifi0 |
| 14:30.19 | jello | DevilChaos: check thinkwiki.org |
| 14:30.22 | azeem | jetscreamer: he rebooted since the auto eth0 move I think |
| 14:30.42 | DevilChaos | wifi0 is recieving and transmitting bytes of info whereas ath0 is not |
| 14:30.48 | azeem | katabatic: what does "ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S40networking" say? |
| 14:31.28 | karmatronic | azeem: the guy sees how dhcpd tries to connect at boot |
| 14:31.36 | JamieCope | azeem, so how could i keep it uptodate? does apt-get update do that too? |
| 14:31.45 | karmatronic | azeem: so it s not about the init scripts |
| 14:31.45 | azeem | JamieCope: apt-get upgrade, but yes |
| 14:31.58 | azeem | karmatronic: where did he say that? |
| 14:32.10 | *** join/#debian Evil_Ed (n=edward@adsl-149-200-230.pns.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:32.11 | karmatronic | azeem: he told me yesterday |
| 14:32.31 | jetscreamer | katabatic: did you reboot after moving the auto eth0 line? |
| 14:32.34 | karmatronic | azeem: cos i was pissed off not being able to solve his problem |
| 14:32.34 | azeem | it would help if he'd say that again now. |
| 14:32.42 | karmatronic | jetscreamer: yes he did |
| 14:32.50 | DevilChaos | jello:thanks |
| 14:32.56 | katabatic | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:33.01 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:33.02 | jello | DevilChaos: no prob |
| 14:33.29 | azeem | katabatic: so what exactly is happening at bootup? |
| 14:33.43 | katabatic | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-01-05 15:11 /etc/rcS.d/S40networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 14:33.53 | karmatronic | katabatic: i think you updated your firewall tables |
| 14:34.06 | katabatic | haha karmatronic |
| 14:34.07 | katabatic | hey there again |
| 14:34.17 | katabatic | still having the problem |
| 14:34.22 | karmatronic | katabatic: i need to solve this problem! |
| 14:34.29 | azeem | katabatic: so what exactly is happening at bootup? |
| 14:34.46 | karmatronic | azeem: at boot he sees |
| 14:34.48 | *** join/#debian Miten (n=chatzill@203.188.227.177) |
| 14:34.57 | karmatronic | azeem: the interface being found |
| 14:35.04 | azeem | jello: 15:15 < jetscreamer> <katabatic> azeem, http://www.pastebin.ca/314157 |
| 14:35.04 | karmatronic | azeem: link shown as up |
| 14:35.05 | katabatic | well... |
| 14:35.20 | karmatronic | azeem: and then dhcpd trying to get an ip |
| 14:35.31 | jello | azeem: that just contains output from ifup -a |
| 14:35.31 | karmatronic | katabatic: check your firewall |
| 14:35.46 | azeem | jello: then it was the previous pastebin adressing me |
| 14:35.56 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 14:35.58 | jello | azeem: link? |
| 14:36.10 | jello | i've cleared my scrollback |
| 14:36.24 | *** join/#debian NyTy (n=root@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 14:36.25 | jello | at :15 it seems |
| 14:36.39 | azeem | katabatic: please pastebin your current interfaces again |
| 14:36.50 | katabatic | I really don't think that's it |
| 14:37.11 | *** join/#debian k0p (n=kop@bl8-167-231.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 14:37.11 | azeem | katabatic: and what does iptables -L say? |
| 14:37.25 | jello | katabatic: if you can make that determination on your own, then you should be able to solve/fix the problem on your own, right? |
| 14:37.26 | azeem | katabatic: well, you're getting yourself less help if you don't |
| 14:37.50 | katabatic | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 14:37.50 | katabatic | target prot opt source destination |
| 14:37.50 | katabatic | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 14:37.50 | katabatic | target prot opt source destination |
| 14:37.50 | katabatic | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 14:37.51 | *** kick/#debian [katabatic!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 14:37.51 | jetscreamer | you realize of course that netcardconfig script fixes this |
| 14:37.57 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 14:37.59 | jetscreamer | err that |
| 14:38.07 | katabatic | :-) |
| 14:38.09 | azeem | ok |
| 14:38.13 | jetscreamer | why it's not in debian i don't know |
| 14:38.20 | Miten | I am doing debian CD download using jigdo...any one knows what it means by when doing jigdo ....when doing template download.....found 0 of 899 files will not make iso or some thing like that...then it goes ahead and download .deb files....I hope its not error that will waste my effort |
| 14:38.22 | jetscreamer | but it's what works |
| 14:38.36 | katabatic | jetscreamer: are you taling about me? |
| 14:38.39 | jetscreamer | Miten: in my experience, jigdo sucks |
| 14:38.45 | jetscreamer | katabatic: yeah |
| 14:38.45 | jello | Miten: jigdo downloads the pieces (.deb files) and then puts them together |
| 14:38.48 | azeem | jigdo is fine. |
| 14:38.52 | jello | Miten: it's useful if you have a local mirror |
| 14:38.55 | katabatic | I'm not on Debian :( |
| 14:39.00 | karmatronic | katabatic: did you update your firewall or your kernel ? |
| 14:39.02 | jetscreamer | i uses it when sarge was testing though |
| 14:39.12 | jetscreamer | used |
| 14:39.12 | Miten | jetscreamer: is torrent better ? |
| 14:39.13 | azeem | katabatic: what are you on? |
| 14:39.18 | katabatic | Kubuntu |
| 14:39.24 | azeem | katabatic: then please ask #kubuntu |
| 14:39.25 | jetscreamer | Miten: in my experience yes , ymmv |
| 14:39.29 | katabatic | already did |
| 14:39.31 | katabatic | a million times |
| 14:39.34 | jetscreamer | god |
| 14:39.35 | *** join/#debian mormoloc (n=chatzill@81.181.177.182) |
| 14:39.41 | karmatronic | azeem: it s not a kubuntu issue |
| 14:39.43 | jetscreamer | all that and it's ubuntu? |
| 14:39.51 | jetscreamer | if you're running ubuntu it is |
| 14:39.53 | azeem | katabatic: well, this is something which works in Debian, but doesn't for you, so it must be a kubuntu issue |
| 14:40.02 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 14:40.03 | katabatic | what works? |
| 14:40.09 | jetscreamer | netcardconfig |
| 14:40.12 | azeem | katabatic: networking on bootup |
| 14:40.13 | katabatic | this worked fine on fresh install, but I broke it, and I don't know how |
| 14:40.15 | jello | Miten: i would use torrent unless you have a local mirror |
| 14:40.21 | katabatic | and it's driving me crazy guys |
| 14:40.24 | katabatic | please understand |
| 14:40.25 | jetscreamer | actually, it's a bug i find when installing etch |
| 14:40.46 | karmatronic | katabatic: could you pastebin your lsmod |
| 14:40.47 | jetscreamer | course my interfaces file doesn't have magic nics |
| 14:40.50 | azeem | katabatic: try the kubuntu network-manager equivalent maybe |
| 14:41.04 | *** join/#debian omry_ (n=omry@IGLD-83-130-230-79.inter.net.il) |
| 14:41.06 | katabatic | I think I did. |
| 14:41.13 | katabatic | knetwork-manager I think |
| 14:41.14 | azeem | katabatic: or come up with the *exact* output you get at bootup |
| 14:41.14 | karmatronic | katabatic: no you didnt |
| 14:41.30 | azeem | katabatic: plus the relevant parts from the log files |
| 14:41.31 | katabatic | I get no output at bootup, just splash screen |
| 14:41.33 | katabatic | how do I find it |
| 14:41.37 | azeem | katabatic: ask #kubuntu |
| 14:41.51 | azeem | we don't know how to disable the splash screen in kubuntu, you know? |
| 14:41.52 | jello | anyone else here need help?? |
| 14:41.58 | karmatronic | katabatic: you press any button during splash screen |
| 14:41.58 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=netcardconfig&restrict=linux |
| 14:42.02 | katabatic | heh |
| 14:42.09 | jetscreamer | will fix you right up probably |
| 14:42.12 | *** join/#debian Kuzavas (n=Kriopst@b10-s2.vu.lt) |
| 14:42.13 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 14:42.15 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 14:42.21 | karmatronic | katabatic: output ouy lsmod |
| 14:42.31 | karmatronic | katabatic: output your lsmd |
| 14:42.34 | katabatic | http://www.pastebin.ca/314177 |
| 14:43.04 | Miten | jello: torrent has been very slow for me....slower than even direct download...donno why... |
| 14:43.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: I tried compiling transcode, but it gave me this error. Would you mind having a look, please? http://pastebin.ca/314178 |
| 14:43.43 | karmatronic | put iptables_filter and x_tables in /etc/modules |
| 14:43.49 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: no, don't ask individuals, ask the channel |
| 14:44.07 | jello | katabatic: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and your /var/log/syslog since boot? |
| 14:44.29 | karmatronic | katabatic: you should do this simple thing |
| 14:44.49 | karmatronic | katabatic: boot whitout modifying anything |
| 14:45.00 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: you're missing a/some -dev pkgs |
| 14:45.07 | karmatronic | katabatic: so you wont have network |
| 14:45.14 | karmatronic | katabatic: do an lsmod |
| 14:45.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: You just seemed so knowledable, that's all. |
| 14:45.28 | Miten | jelly: you know if I can reorg my linux partitions....I have to add free space to fat16 partition....the free space was linux partition as extened.... |
| 14:45.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | jello: Does it say which? |
| 14:45.38 | karmatronic | katabatic: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:45.51 | karmatronic | katabatic: now you have network |
| 14:45.55 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe, but that's not relevant. If you want help, ask the channel. If I know the answer, I'd answer |
| 14:45.57 | karmatronic | katabatic: so run lsmod |
| 14:45.58 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: use packages.debian.org to search foir X11/extensions/Xvlib.h |
| 14:46.01 | karmatronic | katabatic: then compare |
| 14:46.09 | jello | s/foir/for/ |
| 14:46.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | jello: or apt-file? |
| 14:46.11 | katabatic | ok |
| 14:46.21 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: probably, i don't use apt-file |
| 14:46.22 | katabatic | I'lll be back and do that then |
| 14:46.29 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 14:46.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | darkapostrophe@RustyBlade:~/downloads/transcode$ apt-file search Xvlib.h |
| 14:46.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | libxv-dev: usr/include/X11/extensions/Xvlib.h |
| 14:47.04 | karmatronic | please make it work !!!! |
| 14:47.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | jello: Thanks |
| 14:47.13 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: no prob |
| 14:47.53 | jetscreamer | i told you what might help |
| 14:47.57 | jetscreamer | muhahahah |
| 14:49.54 | azeem | is he sending you private messages? |
| 14:50.15 | jello | no, but he doesn't listen to requests for info after asking for help |
| 14:50.23 | azeem | jello: that was katabatic |
| 14:50.32 | *** join/#debian palandir_ (n=palandir@p54A9F333.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 14:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 14:50.34 | karmatronic | azeem: thank you |
| 14:50.35 | jello | sorry, bad tab-completion |
| 14:50.44 | karmatronic | jello: no problem |
| 14:50.47 | azeem | who left to gather the info you requested, sort of |
| 14:50.49 | jello | karmatronic: no offence intended |
| 14:51.07 | *** join/#debian ascii__ (n=ascii@ALagny-151-1-29-13.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:51.16 | azeem | but yes, if he doesn't come back with log files, he'll be left alone to #kubuntu I guess |
| 14:51.22 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 14:51.36 | *** part/#debian ascii__ (n=ascii@ALagny-151-1-29-13.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:51.37 | karmatronic | azeem: i bet it s a firewalling issue |
| 14:51.58 | azeem | karmatronic: he didn't have any firewalling rules setup |
| 14:52.51 | azeem | or are you saying that kubuntu runs some firewall early in the boot process, and then drops it after it started up? |
| 14:52.59 | Miten | can we update existing non-lvm to LVM ? |
| 14:53.24 | karmatronic | azeem: no it s just hat i remember having my firewall not working |
| 14:53.29 | karmatronic | azeem: after a kernel update |
| 14:53.47 | karmatronic | azeem: and i ran through same kind of problem |
| 14:53.56 | azeem | karmatronic: why don't you help him in #kubuntu then? |
| 14:54.14 | jello | karmatronic: firewall wouldn't explain not being able to dhcp on boot, but being able to later... |
| 14:54.18 | karmatronic | azeem: i m not connected to #kubuntu |
| 14:54.22 | azeem | jello: btw, if you're eager to help, there is a #debian on irc.debian.org now as well |
| 14:54.37 | jello | azeem: not very busy last i checked... |
| 14:54.55 | azeem | it got busy since the network move, but it's less busy than here, correct |
| 14:55.53 | karmatronic | jello: maybe its not firewalling issue , but it s the more probable |
| 14:56.15 | jello | karmatronic: i have my doubts, we'll see... |
| 14:56.37 | karmatronic | jello: it s just that i dont see any other reason .... |
| 14:56.53 | azeem | maybe we should stop speculating until the guy comes back with his logfiles. |
| 14:57.09 | karmatronic | jello: or some blacklisted networking module |
| 14:57.20 | jello | azeem: agreed |
| 14:57.25 | karmatronic | right |
| 14:58.11 | *** part/#debian czr (n=czr@iohazard.net) |
| 14:58.15 | *** join/#debian jack_wyt (n=jack@211.154.174.45) |
| 14:58.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone suggest an app with which I can make a DVD backup of my entire system, so that should something go wrong, I can just copy it right back from the DVD instead of spending hours setting it up? |
| 14:58.55 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@212.31.236.154) |
| 14:58.56 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 14:59.10 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 14:59.19 | *** join/#debian Tobe (i=tobe@kapsi.fi) |
| 14:59.22 | karmatronic | Dark_Apostrophe: parted |
| 14:59.22 | katabatic | back |
| 14:59.24 | katabatic | not much different in lsmod |
| 14:59.25 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: k3b ? |
| 14:59.42 | *** join/#debian js_ (i=js@ua-83-227-232-164.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:59.48 | js_ | is etch for the desktop buggy right now? |
| 14:59.51 | katabatic | karmatronic, you told me to do lsmod? |
| 14:59.52 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: or use rdiff-backup if you want to make incrementals |
| 14:59.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not just a burning program, but a program that automatically restores the system for me from scratch |
| 14:59.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | js_: no |
| 15:00.05 | js_ | Dark_Apostrophe: is it in any kind of freeze yet? |
| 15:00.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | AFAIK no |
| 15:00.17 | jello | yes, etch is frozen |
| 15:00.18 | karmatronic | katabatic: yes one before doing /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:00.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | or listen to jello |
| 15:00.30 | jello | etch even has security support now |
| 15:00.39 | js_ | so its close |
| 15:00.44 | jello | js_: yes |
| 15:00.55 | jello | i use it for my internet-facing mailserver |
| 15:00.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think it's only got a two-digit RC bug number at this point |
| 15:00.57 | abrotman | bugs are up! |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | jello: it really doesn't |
| 15:01.16 | jello | abrotman: it was announced |
| 15:01.21 | fireba11 | abrotman: just noticed .. back at 103 ..ouch |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | jello: how many packages have you seen come through it? |
| 15:01.25 | katabatic | only things different are: "ata_piix 11780 2" and "ata_piix 11780 3" and "sr_mod 18212 0" and "sr_mod 18212 1" |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:01.25 | dpkg | it has been said that tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 15:01.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, I've had two hard drive failures the last three months, and am getting sick of reinstalling. |
| 15:01.51 | azeem | katabatic: did you manage to disable splash and check the bootup messages? |
| 15:02.04 | jello | Dark_Apostrophe: bad batch? |
| 15:02.07 | fireba11 | Dark_Apostrophe: bacula can do bare metal revocery |
| 15:02.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | So if this hard drive, and it's a very old one so there's a good chance it does, fails, I wanna be able to just pop in a new one, enter a DVD and the system is back up and running in ten minutes. |
| 15:02.19 | katabatic | azeem, nope |
| 15:02.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | fireba11: Meaning? |
| 15:02.24 | katabatic | is there a log file for that? |
| 15:02.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | fireba11: Something like Spinrite? |
| 15:02.39 | azeem | abrotman: they all need manual overrides, which is the definition of "freeze" as far as Debian is concerned |
| 15:02.41 | jello | katabatic: /var/log/syslog |
| 15:02.45 | azeem | katabatic: then paste your syslog |
| 15:02.47 | fireba11 | Dark_Apostrophe: restore system from empty HD |
| 15:02.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 15:03.04 | *** join/#debian gr1x (n=Administ@221.223.136.12) |
| 15:03.07 | abrotman | azeem: so it doesn't really have security support then ? |
| 15:03.25 | azeem | abrotman: oh, I missed the subject apparently |
| 15:03.34 | jello | 14:44 < jello> katabatic: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and your /var/log/syslog since boot? |
| 15:03.52 | azeem | abrotman: well one of the guys pays extra attention that security-relevant fixes go into testing ASAP |
| 15:04.09 | azeem | but few if any security uploads target testing directly so far |
| 15:04.26 | jello | that's because we've been trying to route them through unstable... |
| 15:04.27 | azeem | but I think the infrastructure is there for the sec-team to use (contrary to sarge at that point) |
| 15:04.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | fireba11: I found another one, mondo |
| 15:04.39 | katabatic | http://pastebin.ca/314197 |
| 15:04.40 | karmatronic | katabatic: and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:04.54 | *** part/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 15:05.12 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 15:05.14 | azeem | Jan 12 09:47:55 dtg2 NetworkManager: <information>^IDeactivating device eth0. |
| 15:05.17 | azeem | katabatic: ^^ |
| 15:05.25 | katabatic | what |
| 15:05.31 | katabatic | maybe that's from restart |
| 15:05.33 | katabatic | as I was restarting |
| 15:05.45 | jello | 344-355 look promising.... |
| 15:06.08 | jello | wtf is NetworkManager?!?! |
| 15:06.18 | jello | see lines 424 - 429 |
| 15:06.20 | azeem | jello: you don't know? |
| 15:06.22 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-197-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:06.28 | azeem | katabatic: it looks like bootup from the time stamp? |
| 15:06.36 | katabatic | ok |
| 15:06.41 | jello | azeem: no |
| 15:06.53 | karmatronic | katabatic: eh you fooled me ! |
| 15:06.56 | azeem | jello: it's the new "Just works[tm]" freedesktop.org networking appliance |
| 15:07.01 | azeem | sponsored by redhat and novell |
| 15:07.04 | jello | bah |
| 15:07.12 | katabatic | karmatronic, why? |
| 15:07.13 | azeem | it's totally the future, trust me |
| 15:07.32 | jello | sounds like an `apt-get --purge remove` is in order... |
| 15:07.51 | azeem | katabatic: if you want to use network-manager, you need to comment out the interfaces you want it controlled in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:07.53 | karmatronic | katabatic: you told me you were seeing eth0 trying to get an ip at start up |
| 15:08.00 | karmatronic | katabatic: that s wrong ! |
| 15:08.02 | katabatic | I'm sorry |
| 15:08.12 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 15:08.14 | azeem | katabatic: but as it apparently doesn't work (you need to run dhclient manually), I suggest you remove it |
| 15:08.19 | *** join/#debian StormBlade (n=stormbla@88.247.196.5) |
| 15:08.22 | h3sp4wn | I can see why people may want network-manager for wireless (maybe) but I don't understand why it wants to control all network cards |
| 15:08.24 | katabatic | how shall I remove it? |
| 15:08.31 | karmatronic | katabatic: anyway , i would say |
| 15:08.34 | azeem | h3sp4wn: plug and play |
| 15:08.36 | jello | katabatic: 15:07 < jello> sounds like an `apt-get --purge remove` is in order... |
| 15:08.37 | katabatic | yes, I was trying to install network manager packages for wifi |
| 15:08.42 | katabatic | and then did something maybe |
| 15:08.43 | katabatic | and it broke |
| 15:08.50 | karmatronic | katabatic: the problem is maybe the line |
| 15:08.51 | azeem | h3sp4wn: if I'm on wireless and plugin an ethernet cable, I apparently want to use it now. |
| 15:08.53 | jello | the truth comes out now.... |
| 15:09.11 | karmatronic | katabatic: Driver 'r1000' does not support varrier detection. ^IYou must switch to it manually. |
| 15:09.18 | katabatic | what does that mean? |
| 15:09.21 | azeem | no idea |
| 15:09.49 | karmatronic | katabatic: because it is followed by eactivating device eth0. |
| 15:09.54 | *** join/#debian streuner (i=foobar@p54A5DE19.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:09.57 | karmatronic | Desactivating eth0 |
| 15:10.00 | azeem | katabatic: apparently kubuntu's network-manager is borked, because it should leave along interfaces configured by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:10.04 | azeem | katabatic: ask #kubuntu |
| 15:10.04 | *** join/#debian LSorensen (n=lsorense@90.240.190.42) |
| 15:10.08 | abrotman | azeem: i haven't seen any packages come from security for etch |
| 15:10.11 | h3sp4wn | azeem: Hopefully I will never have to use it |
| 15:10.21 | katabatic | ask what? |
| 15:10.22 | azeem | abrotman: possible, I said "if any" |
| 15:10.28 | karmatronic | katabatic: do a modinfo r1000 and pastebin it |
| 15:10.42 | azeem | katabatic: how to have network-manager for wlan, and regular /e/n/i for ethernet |
| 15:10.56 | azeem | katabatic: or remove network-manager, reboot, and come back here if it doesn't work |
| 15:11.37 | ph1L | i have a question @ graphic mode. now he ask me about bus identifier for the graphic card. what do i have to write in there ? |
| 15:11.45 | karmatronic | azeem: yes ! |
| 15:11.58 | *** join/#debian es0 (n=lance@unaffiliated/es0) |
| 15:12.07 | azeem | ph1L: just accept the defaults, i.e. leave it blank |
| 15:12.24 | ph1L | oki |
| 15:12.45 | es0 | Is famd _needed_? If I disabled it, would anything break? |
| 15:13.01 | *** join/#debian WorkRoey (n=Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) |
| 15:13.02 | ph1L | and keyboard option blank too ? |
| 15:13.02 | WorkRoey | hello |
| 15:13.07 | WorkRoey | abrotman: hello! |
| 15:13.12 | azeem | ph1L: is your keyboard not working? |
| 15:13.17 | ph1L | it is |
| 15:13.22 | azeem | ph1L: so why change it? |
| 15:13.30 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@host10-172.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:13.34 | ph1L | he just asked me these things. |
| 15:13.39 | azeem | es0: it tells GNOME or KDE when a file gets added or removed |
| 15:13.39 | ph1L | everything is working fine here |
| 15:13.45 | *** join/#debian l3on_ (n=l3on@83-103-90-62.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:13.45 | azeem | ph1L: why does it ask you? |
| 15:13.54 | ph1L | cause i configure xfree86 |
| 15:14.20 | Roey | How do I determine which device driver is handling a hardware device on my system? |
| 15:14.21 | azeem | ph1L: are you installing it currentlyß |
| 15:14.26 | ph1L | yes |
| 15:15.02 | azeem | ph1L: the default is usually reasonable, except for the video driver and maybe the mouse |
| 15:15.15 | es0 | azeem, when I try to run Kmail, I get an msg saying kontact is running and I could lose mail. I checked to see what app had kontact open (via lsof) and I discovered famd had a hook in it. |
| 15:15.36 | azeem | ph1L: if the configuration turns out not to be to your liking, you can run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" again and change it, no probelm |
| 15:15.59 | ph1L | ok thank you very much azeem |
| 15:16.09 | azeem | es0: so restart fam rather |
| 15:16.19 | azeem | es0: kontact was using fam, not the other way around, I guess |
| 15:16.41 | *** join/#debian ||arifaX (n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de) |
| 15:17.21 | *** join/#debian heh_v_water (n=heh_v_wa@71-32-211-123.hlna.qwest.net) |
| 15:17.25 | *** join/#debian vorsprung (n=vorsprun@host83-217-165-95.dsl.vispa.com) |
| 15:18.11 | *** join/#debian igli (n=igli@82.153.9.63) |
| 15:19.33 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@bua105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:20.07 | es0 | azeem. ok, I restarted famd.. and got the same kmail error. I checked again and now kded is using /usr/share/services/kontact. |
| 15:20.51 | azeem | kded? |
| 15:20.59 | es0 | uh-huh. |
| 15:21.06 | azeem | es0: I don't know about KDE, sorry |
| 15:21.21 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 15:21.28 | es0 | ok, thanks. I guess I'll just stick with pine for now. :-) |
| 15:21.35 | *** join/#debian Alex_78 (n=Alex_78@PPP-02-17.beobug.com) |
| 15:22.27 | *** join/#debian Givade (n=Givade@dslb-082-083-038-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:22.43 | karmatronic | katabatic: worked ? |
| 15:23.30 | katabatic | :-D |
| 15:23.48 | katabatic | yes |
| 15:23.50 | karmatronic | katabatic: just quitted network-amanager |
| 15:23.58 | katabatic | I uninstalled it |
| 15:23.58 | karmatronic | katabatic: ? |
| 15:24.13 | *** join/#debian tsurko (n=tsurko@vpn-pppoe-213-240-242-237.megalan.bg) |
| 15:24.20 | karmatronic | katabatic: that s cool but now you dont have network GUI |
| 15:24.32 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@auh-as14561.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 15:24.39 | sts | hello folks |
| 15:24.53 | *** join/#debian leahpar_on (n=leahpar@ALyon-256-1-49-37.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:24.54 | sts | i installed samba, did some config errors and removed the package. |
| 15:25.11 | sts | but even with --purge it left /etc/samba/ on my system |
| 15:25.16 | sts | i removed the directory as well |
| 15:25.27 | leahpar_on | hello |
| 15:25.27 | sts | but when i install samba now, it comes up with an error |
| 15:25.30 | katabatic | perhaps reinstalling it will help |
| 15:25.35 | katabatic | maybe it will get fixed |
| 15:26.00 | sts | and it doesn't create the /etc/samba directory when i install samba |
| 15:26.05 | h3sp4wn | sts: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:26.33 | leahpar_on | I need an advice, how can I choose an UPS daemon? |
| 15:26.36 | azeem | katabatic: ask #kubuntu |
| 15:26.45 | katabatic | ask what? |
| 15:26.52 | *** join/#debian totallsd (n=highend@p54A4371B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:27.08 | azeem | 15:59 < azeem> katabatic: how to have network-manager for wlan, and regular /e/n/i for ethernet |
| 15:27.27 | katabatic | k |
| 15:27.48 | leahpar_on | popcon says than nut and apcupsd are the most popular but some people says |
| 15:27.52 | karmatronic | katabatic: anyway , glad your problem was solved |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | azeem: there are 18 packages in the security repo for etch |
| 15:28.07 | karmatronic | katabatic: and sad it was not by me |
| 15:28.08 | *** join/#debian zlin (n=bo@gentoo/user/zlin) |
| 15:28.13 | azeem | abrotman: are they recent? |
| 15:28.19 | katabatic | who was it solvedby? |
| 15:28.20 | RvGaTe | Who's going to campzone this year? |
| 15:28.38 | totallsd | somebody know how to get vlc to view shoutcast tv?? |
| 15:28.39 | leahpar_on | that it's over powered for a small adsl gateway.. |
| 15:28.47 | karmatronic | katabatic: let s say by you :) |
| 15:28.51 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 15:28.58 | *** join/#debian Nyty (n=ubuntu@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 15:28.59 | Nyty | hi |
| 15:29.01 | karmatronic | katabatic: although azeem helped |
| 15:29.04 | Nyty | i have big trouble with mbr |
| 15:29.06 | Nyty | and debian |
| 15:29.12 | Nyty | i cant repair grub boot |
| 15:29.49 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 15:29.55 | totallsd | or does somebody know if the shoutcast stuff works with wine and winamp ? |
| 15:30.01 | *** join/#debian Raging_Hog (n=heikki@bb-81-175-247-152.cable.phnet.fi) |
| 15:30.25 | *** join/#debian san (i=san@211.168.152.85) |
| 15:31.06 | unlink | how do i set arbitrary metadata for a regular file? |
| 15:31.27 | *** join/#debian Tenkawa (n=Tenkawa@unaffiliated/tenkawa) |
| 15:32.14 | azeem | unlink: what do you mean with "metadata"? |
| 15:33.27 | unlink | ad hoc attributes not stored directly in the bitmap of the file |
| 15:33.38 | *** join/#debian kimrhh (n=kimrhh@dupont.control.auc.dk) |
| 15:33.50 | *** join/#debian speeves (n=speeves@cwsvpat.usg.unt.edu) |
| 15:33.58 | azeem | unlink: what bitmap? |
| 15:34.06 | Nyty | anyoe |
| 15:34.07 | Nyty | please |
| 15:34.09 | Nyty | NEED help |
| 15:34.14 | Nyty | i cant BOOT to my debian system |
| 15:34.16 | Nyty | and i cant instlal it |
| 15:34.26 | azeem | how do you try to boot it? |
| 15:34.34 | *** join/#debian Alex_78 (n=Alex_78@PPP-02-17.beobug.com) |
| 15:34.37 | unlink | azeem: the image of the file...the main part' |
| 15:35.07 | azeem | unlink: are you asking in the context of some desktop environment or file manager or so? |
| 15:35.17 | azeem | or do you expect this to work on the Unix/command-line level? |
| 15:35.32 | unlink | at the filesystem level. |
| 15:35.33 | *** join/#debian joyr (n=joyr@line-11083.dyn.kponet.fi) |
| 15:35.33 | Nyty | i cant |
| 15:35.34 | Nyty | :_) |
| 15:35.37 | Nyty | i cant repair MBR |
| 15:35.37 | Nyty | :-) |
| 15:35.38 | unlink | like chattr, but ad-hoc |
| 15:35.38 | S2AnGeL | when I type in MC I get weird characters instead of solid | lines am I missing a font or something.. |
| 15:35.47 | azeem | Nyty: try to boot from a CD |
| 15:35.52 | S2AnGeL | sorry when I type mc |
| 15:35.55 | azeem | unlink: "ad-hoc"? |
| 15:36.05 | *** part/#debian kimrhh (n=kimrhh@dupont.control.auc.dk) |
| 15:36.30 | ezguy | hi, on "startx" the image on the screen starts to go "out of focus" and some one eighth inch wide horizontal and vertical lines appear and the system locked up. |
| 15:36.40 | azeem | S2AnGeL: your TERM environment variable might be wrong, or your terminal emulator is not capable enough |
| 15:36.45 | *** join/#debian csit (n=csit@ppp189-9.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 15:36.46 | *** join/#debian thartman (n=thartman@li2-50.members.linode.com) |
| 15:36.46 | *** join/#debian gungnir (n=gungnir@ppp189-9.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 15:36.46 | Nyty | azeem: how ?:D |
| 15:36.53 | Nyty | how to boot to my linux system from cd |
| 15:36.55 | azeem | Nyty: put in a CD, reboot |
| 15:36.55 | unlink | azeem: an arbitrary attribute of my specification |
| 15:37.01 | ezguy | is this a driver, video card or mobo problem? |
| 15:37.05 | Nyty | i`m not lame |
| 15:37.10 | azeem | Nyty: you need to provide more details about your problem if you want helk |
| 15:37.11 | Nyty | i tested recover |
| 15:37.12 | azeem | help |
| 15:37.12 | Nyty | recover mode |
| 15:37.15 | Nyty | and grub reinstall |
| 15:37.17 | azeem | unlink: why do you need that? |
| 15:37.30 | azeem | Nyty: what did you do to have your mbr/grub corrupted? |
| 15:37.44 | Nyty | i dont do anythink |
| 15:38.03 | azeem | Nyty: so why is it corrupted now? |
| 15:38.06 | unlink | azeem: it needs to be at the filesystem level |
| 15:38.09 | azeem | did you install Windows in the meantime |
| 15:38.25 | Nyty | no |
| 15:38.31 | Nyty | i dont like windows |
| 15:38.33 | S2AnGeL | ezguy: I am running konsol with default running default |
| 15:38.46 | azeem | Nyty: what is the error message you get at bootup? |
| 15:38.51 | *** part/#debian es0 (n=lance@unaffiliated/es0) |
| 15:39.04 | abrotman | azeem: uhm .. how can you tell froom the package list ? |
| 15:39.22 | Nyty | No boot device |
| 15:39.34 | S2AnGeL | midnight commander usualy has lines.. its almost as if the font is not right! I get this weird small a |
| 15:39.41 | S2AnGeL | with a wave on top |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | azeem: looks the date on the packages file is 2006-10-27 09:38 security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:40.14 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@148.202.29.62) |
| 15:40.28 | azeem | abrotman: I would expect that most of those are from at least a year ago, when they still did those DTSAs |
| 15:40.31 | azeem | but dunno |
| 15:40.53 | azeem | Nyty: looks like a hardware problem then, maybe |
| 15:40.54 | abrotman | azeem: yeah .. none seem to be recent .. though i guess Maulkin would know more perhaps |
| 15:41.01 | Nyty | hardware |
| 15:41.08 | *** join/#debian Jarod_-- (i=SnowXtre@88-139-172-59.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 15:41.14 | azeem | Nyty: boot a live CD like knoppix or Ubuntu and see whether you can access the harddisk from there |
| 15:41.16 | Jarod_-- | bonjour tout le monde |
| 15:41.23 | azeem | abrotman: definetely |
| 15:41.28 | blondie | !fr |
| 15:41.28 | azeem | !fr |
| 15:41.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:41.30 | Nyty | can be i can |
| 15:41.32 | Nyty | i can |
| 15:41.34 | Nyty | acess :-) |
| 15:41.41 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ecv157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:41.45 | Nyty | i`m now in ubuntu, but in debian recovery i can be on disk too |
| 15:41.47 | Nyty | with recover |
| 15:41.57 | *** join/#debian slipstream (n=slipstre@ppp91-76-119-41.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 15:41.59 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (n=kevin@c-24-131-84-225.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 15:42.11 | *** join/#debian mama_pitufo (n=ticor@200.122.157.219) |
| 15:42.40 | *** join/#debian chromosome (n=dan@87.120.60.44) |
| 15:43.18 | *** join/#debian Lukasz (i=Lukasz@CPE00095b0f18fb-CM00111ae346ee.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:43.23 | Lukasz | hey everyone |
| 15:43.27 | Lukasz | I have figured it out |
| 15:43.42 | Lukasz | i turn acpi and nolacpi off and add vga=711 |
| 15:43.53 | Lukasz | and the install starts |
| 15:44.10 | Lukasz | now the problem is it doesn't detect my usb external drive |
| 15:45.03 | *** join/#debian l3on_ (n=l3on@83-103-90-62.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:46.03 | Lukasz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.35 | Lukasz | does anyone know how to fix this |
| 15:46.56 | *** join/#debian YogSothoth (n=john@lns-bzn-52-82-65-82-180.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 15:47.31 | Lukasz | can anyone help please |
| 15:48.01 | Lukasz | Hi YogSothoth |
| 15:48.06 | Lukasz | could you help please |
| 15:48.17 | *** join/#debian jfletcher (n=james@81-86-99-82.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 15:48.25 | gcbirzan | No. |
| 15:48.27 | YogSothoth | Hello |
| 15:48.57 | *** join/#debian e_log (n=silberni@dslb-088-064-141-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:48.57 | azeem | Lukasz: monitor dmesg while you plug in the drive |
| 15:49.50 | *** part/#debian Jarod_-- (i=SnowXtre@88-139-172-59.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 15:50.00 | *** join/#debian JohnML (n=john1@pD9E8AD04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 692] by debhelper |
| 15:50.18 | *** join/#debian Lukasz1 (i=Lukasz@CPE00095b0f18fb-CM00111ae346ee.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:50.22 | Lukasz1 | hmm |
| 15:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 15:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 15:50.46 | Lukasz1 | can anyone help please |
| 15:51.14 | azeem | 16:37 < azeem> Lukasz: monitor dmesg while you plug in the drive |
| 15:51.30 | Lukasz1 | ?? |
| 15:51.46 | Lukasz1 | i should type dmesg in the boot |
| 15:51.47 | Lukasz1 | ? |
| 15:51.58 | rahul | in the boot? |
| 15:52.09 | jetscreamer | boot: |
| 15:52.16 | jetscreamer | and no |
| 15:52.16 | rahul | toob: |
| 15:52.18 | azeem | Lukasz: run dmesg | tail after you plugged it in |
| 15:52.25 | Lukasz1 | oki thnx |
| 15:52.33 | *** join/#debian dpm (n=dpm@p54A1012F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:52.47 | Lukasz1 | and how do I add tail |
| 15:52.49 | rahul | gcbirzan: I met another romanian last night |
| 15:52.52 | *** join/#debian mijndert_ (n=mijndert@c82014.upc-c.chello.nl) |
| 15:52.52 | Lukasz1 | is it dmesg/tail |
| 15:53.01 | azeem | Lukasz: no it's "dmesg | tail" |
| 15:53.02 | rahul | gcbirzan: turns out nose-toucher's roommate is romanian |
| 15:53.10 | *** join/#debian RvGaTe (n=rvgate-f@g178204.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 15:53.12 | Lukasz1 | how do I make that thing after dmesg |
| 15:53.22 | azeem | Lukasz: check your keyboard |
| 15:53.24 | rahul | you don't really need to |
| 15:53.41 | rahul | just do dmesg, if it's too much trouble. |
| 15:53.43 | azeem | Lukasz: or copy&paste from here, if you can |
| 15:53.47 | Lukasz1 | oki thnx |
| 15:53.56 | Lukasz1 | i do just dmesg |
| 15:54.06 | Lukasz1 | brb and tell you if it worked |
| 15:54.09 | *** join/#debian urv (n=urv@84-72-19-148.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:54.32 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-250-114.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 15:54.44 | gcbirzan | costin: berbecu', 10? |
| 15:54.45 | gcbirzan | Erm. |
| 15:54.49 | *** join/#debian sc13nc3 (i=sc13nc3@201-25-212-195.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 15:54.49 | gcbirzan | rahul: Cool. :-P |
| 15:55.06 | rahul | she's cute, too. but taken. |
| 15:55.14 | gcbirzan | :-) |
| 15:55.27 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@201.15.207.181) |
| 15:55.32 | rahul | and her boyfriend took the couch demon with her, which is why it didn't bother me when I crashed there |
| 15:55.46 | rahul | or I am the devil and the couch demon has no power over me. |
| 15:55.57 | rahul | erm, with him |
| 15:55.57 | *** join/#debian limpio (n=xzgv@201.226.61.53) |
| 15:56.06 | rahul | ow, jello shotsssses. |
| 15:56.23 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 15:56.44 | Dunedan | Does somebody know if there is a possibility to spin down harddrives which are not mounted? So, if I wanna mount the hdd it'll spin up. |
| 15:57.01 | rahul | Dunedan: man hdparm |
| 15:57.22 | *** join/#debian faljse (n=martin@lime-gw16.one.at) |
| 15:57.34 | rahul | I think only scsi bioses allow you to not spin up the drive at boot |
| 15:57.35 | Dunedan | rahul: hm, no. hdparm doesn't work, because it doesn't take care of mounted partitions and so on. |
| 15:57.38 | *** join/#debian pickcoder (n=blah@gateway.all-spec.com) |
| 15:57.46 | rahul | Dunedan: yes. so umount them... |
| 15:58.09 | lech | hmmm, how can I regain control over a process lost to another term? |
| 15:58.20 | rahul | for i in /dev/hdX*; do umount $i; done ? heh... |
| 15:58.21 | *** join/#debian rusher (n=rusher@kaam0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp) |
| 15:58.23 | rusher | hello |
| 15:58.27 | rahul | lech: you can't |
| 15:58.28 | gcbirzan | rahul: Check this out: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Romania . Tell her some of those translated expressions under religion. :-P |
| 15:58.39 | *** join/#debian eisen (n=eisen@xdsl-81-173-155-122.netcologne.de) |
| 15:58.46 | lech | rahul, so i can only kill its pid then? |
| 15:59.31 | rusher | anyone get truecrypt to work on debian etch |
| 15:59.41 | rahul | lech: yeah |
| 15:59.43 | *** join/#debian StormBlade (n=stormbla@88.247.196.5) |
| 15:59.55 | rahul | lech: the app has to support reopening somehting else as stdin/out/err |
| 16:00.05 | rahul | lech: otherwise, it can't be done, I don't think |
| 16:00.13 | *** join/#debian Borja (n=e240334@151.Red-88-12-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:00.15 | *** part/#debian Borja (n=e240334@151.Red-88-12-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:00.33 | karsten | rahul: What about snooptty? |
| 16:00.36 | *** join/#debian segfault (n=nobody@c-68-33-214-39.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:00.44 | *** join/#debian protocol1 (n=protocol@68-35-178-69.gci.net) |
| 16:00.54 | *** join/#debian GnuPrometheus (n=GnuProme@200.55.161.39) |
| 16:01.08 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p50885A9E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:01.36 | *** join/#debian SmallR2002 (n=SmallR20@88-107-73-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:01.37 | karsten | lech: You can find out where stdout / stderr and stdin for that process are directed. I'm not sure you can do much with that though a tool called ttysnoop can attach to, read, or write, to a particular tty. |
| 16:01.38 | lech | rahul, well since I couldn't get screen to run in order to run a little irc bot, i simply closed a session after running a process to start it and keep it active |
| 16:01.42 | rahul | karsten: hmm, I suppose that could work, if it's still attached. |
| 16:01.53 | karsten | rahul: Nope, you can't remove entries under /proc like that. |
| 16:02.00 | rahul | oh well :P |
| 16:02.37 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:02.42 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:02.45 | *** join/#debian CaspeR-Bz (i=dj@its.hard.but.pleasure.to.be.linuxhelper.ws) |
| 16:03.51 | *** join/#debian l3on_ (n=l3on@83-103-90-62.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 16:04.18 | karsten | ... and I may have that name wrong. |
| 16:04.52 | karsten | rahul: ttysnoop, not snooptty. |
| 16:04.57 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@87.193.57.239) |
| 16:05.04 | *** join/#debian broedje (n=sven@p54B13777.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:05.09 | *** part/#debian broedje (n=sven@p54B13777.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:05.25 | SpeS | hi, does anyone have compiled celestia? |
| 16:05.42 | *** join/#debian helmut (i=helmut@217.20.112.96) |
| 16:05.44 | karsten | SpeS: /msg dpkg polls. |
| 16:05.59 | *** join/#debian nipra (n=nipra@221.135.220.19) |
| 16:06.03 | karsten | SpeS: What's your question? Are you trying to build, or install the binary deb? |
| 16:06.36 | SpeS | karsten, I'm trying to compile the sources, configure is right but makes fail |
| 16:06.38 | SpeS | is strange |
| 16:06.50 | SpeS | perhaps the gcc version? |
| 16:07.06 | karsten | SpeS: Well, what's the error? |
| 16:07.11 | karsten | !tell SpeS about paste |
| 16:07.20 | SpeS | bastebin, I know :) |
| 16:07.21 | *** join/#debian broedje (n=sven@p54B13777.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:07.29 | karsten | SpeS: Paste last 100 or so lines of build output to the pastebin. |
| 16:08.20 | SpeS | ../celengine/star.h:33: error: extra qualification 'StarDetails::' on member 'StarDetails' |
| 16:08.23 | SpeS | is that line |
| 16:08.26 | SpeS | :) |
| 16:08.41 | karsten | What source? Source deb or upstream? |
| 16:08.52 | karsten | abrotman: Morning, sunshine. |
| 16:08.55 | SpeS | the celestia source |
| 16:09.04 | SpeS | the package doesn't have mantainer |
| 16:09.19 | SpeS | it's the constructor line: |
| 16:09.37 | SpeS | public: |
| 16:09.38 | SpeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.44 | SpeS | how can that fail? |
| 16:09.54 | karsten | NFC. |
| 16:10.03 | hark | SpeS: why compile..? |
| 16:10.15 | karsten | Might ask in #debian-devel or one of the coder channels. |
| 16:10.26 | eisen | using scope in the declaration is a no with recent gcc |
| 16:10.28 | SpeS | hark, the latest version is not in debian |
| 16:10.31 | karsten | ... not that there's anything wrong with that. |
| 16:10.34 | SpeS | and the package is out of date |
| 16:10.37 | eisen | remove StarDetails:: |
| 16:10.38 | rahul | gcbirzan: Rupe-se-ar cailor lu' Dumnezeu hamurile cand imi trag pula din mata! |
| 16:10.42 | eisen | and all will be well |
| 16:10.43 | azeem | SpeS: try with an older version of gcc |
| 16:10.56 | azeem | rahul: please write in english in here, you should know by now |
| 16:11.02 | karsten | SpeS: What gcc? |
| 16:11.03 | rahul | heh |
| 16:11.06 | SpeS | eisen, aham, let's try... why is that? |
| 16:11.19 | rahul | gcbirzan: May God's horses have a nice day, and may your mother be fertile and happy! |
| 16:11.30 | rahul | better? :P |
| 16:11.37 | karsten | rahul: What language was that? |
| 16:11.41 | rahul | Romanian |
| 16:11.44 | karsten | Ah. |
| 16:11.45 | eisen | adding the scope inside the declaration is a syntax error that was ignored in previous versions. Newer gccs are more strict. |
| 16:11.50 | SpeS | gcc version 4.1.2 |
| 16:12.02 | eisen | StarDetails is already in StarDetails |
| 16:12.02 | SpeS | I've commented that line... |
| 16:12.24 | eisen | not commenting, remove just the qualifier "StarDetails::" |
| 16:12.43 | *** join/#debian jelly-ho (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 16:12.45 | SpeS | eisen, aham ok |
| 16:12.50 | SpeS | I see... |
| 16:13.18 | *** join/#debian zarkdav (n=zarkdav@212.180.2.9) |
| 16:13.27 | *** join/#debian pvdg (n=paulo@80.172.42.142) |
| 16:13.32 | *** join/#debian Avochelm (n=damien@gw-morphett.koalatelecom.com.au) |
| 16:13.48 | *** join/#debian holdenSK (i=holden@shock.ynet.sk) |
| 16:13.57 | tarzeau | does find -mtime support decimal numbers? |
| 16:14.03 | SpeS | eisen, you're right |
| 16:14.08 | tarzeau | i know there's that other -m option for minutes |
| 16:14.10 | SpeS | ../celengine/command.h:100: error: extra qualification 'CommandGotoLongLat::' on member 'CommandGotoLongLat' |
| 16:14.14 | karsten | tarzeau: I believe it's just integer days. |
| 16:14.15 | *** join/#debian mdo_ (n=13h7@p508A35E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:14.16 | SpeS | the same in other file :) |
| 16:14.28 | rahul | tarzeau: don't think so |
| 16:14.29 | SpeS | let's hope it's not very common hehe |
| 16:14.36 | SpeS | eisen, thanks! |
| 16:14.46 | karsten | tarzeau: ... test it. |
| 16:14.48 | eisen | you will see this issue often when trying out compiling older packages on gcc >4 |
| 16:14.49 | rahul | I'm unimpressed with find when dealing with time |
| 16:14.58 | tarzeau | rahul: what else would you use? |
| 16:15.00 | SpeS | eisen, great to know :) |
| 16:15.06 | rahul | tarzeau: dunno :P |
| 16:15.20 | karsten | tarzeau: I think it's less a matter of other stuff being better so much as find sucking. |
| 16:15.21 | tarzeau | find: invalid argument `0.5' to `-mtime' |
| 16:15.42 | tarzeau | i'll use -mmin (12*60) |
| 16:15.59 | rahul | tarzeau: you probably mean +(12*60) or -(12*60) |
| 16:16.18 | karsten | tarzeau: Oh, cool, missed that option. |
| 16:16.21 | tarzeau | rahul: what is it if you leave away + and -, +, right? |
| 16:16.38 | *** join/#debian csy- (n=csy@cpc3-harg1-0-0-cust503.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:16.47 | rahul | tarzeau: I think it's some sort of exact match |
| 16:16.48 | karsten | tarzeau: *exact* modification time, rather than prior to / since. |
| 16:17.08 | rahul | don't remember if it rounds up or down when matching |
| 16:17.13 | tarzeau | karsten: oops |
| 16:17.22 | karsten | Guerin: sleeping well? |
| 16:17.29 | *** join/#debian malik (i=malik@213.95.21.30) |
| 16:17.34 | tarzeau | so i want maximum one day old packages i use -mtime +1 or -1? |
| 16:17.36 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 16:17.37 | malik | hi, i just am about to install debian on my ibook via the debian netinst cd, everything goes fine till it wants to install the kernel package, i keep getting the error: unable to install selected kernel into the target system |
| 16:17.40 | rahul | rahul: sleeping well? :P |
| 16:17.43 | malik | any hints? |
| 16:17.57 | karsten | tarzeau: See the -atime notes in find(1) |
| 16:18.20 | karsten | malik: What kernel are you selecting? |
| 16:18.27 | *** join/#debian cob_ (n=asdf@ip24-253-243-172.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 16:18.42 | malik | i tried 2.6.17 and linux-powerpc or something like that |
| 16:19.01 | *** join/#debian katabatic (n=dtg@69-166-24-22.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 16:19.02 | karsten | intel or ppc ibook? |
| 16:19.08 | malik | ppc |
| 16:19.11 | *** join/#debian protocol1 (n=protocol@68-35-178-69.gci.net) |
| 16:19.58 | malik | g3 |
| 16:19.58 | karsten | malik: Anything else in that error? |
| 16:19.59 | malik | that i should look at syslog |
| 16:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 698] by debhelper |
| 16:20.04 | *** join/#debian Ebbs (n=Ebbs@p54AD4E0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:20.09 | malik | there i can see that dpkg fails at that package |
| 16:20.27 | malik | no useful error message |
| 16:21.11 | gcbirzan | rahul: Haha. |
| 16:21.15 | gcbirzan | Yes, use English. |
| 16:21.26 | karsten | malik: install, preinst, postinst, ? |
| 16:21.30 | gcbirzan | rahul: Anyway. It's fucking funny if you know Romanian. :-P |
| 16:21.37 | rahul | "One of their favorite rituals is to sacrfice a high school boy, age 16 3 months, who is in marching band and to sing Crazy Train while driving Broncos around the villages." |
| 16:21.40 | rahul | wtf |
| 16:21.56 | gcbirzan | Hah. I don't know. :-) |
| 16:21.57 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 16:22.05 | rahul | crazy Romanians. |
| 16:22.08 | malik | karsten: it doesnt say... |
| 16:22.17 | gcbirzan | rahul: I like this one. National motto: Capra vicinum intereo quoque ("May the neighbour's goat drop dead too!!") ) |
| 16:22.18 | katabatic | what does --purge do? |
| 16:22.30 | malik | only unpacking kernel-image.... error where encountererd while processing |
| 16:22.32 | *** join/#debian covener (i=covener@nat/ibm/x-d3f8f305197e1e71) |
| 16:22.34 | karsten | malik: Got enough space? |
| 16:22.37 | malik | sub process dpkg returned an error code |
| 16:22.40 | *** join/#debian schme (n=seche@mkb-145-79-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 16:22.52 | malik | i guess so, i told the installer he could use all disk, 30 gb |
| 16:22.53 | rahul | gcbirzan: is this actually representative of something in the culture? |
| 16:22.56 | karsten | malik: ... could be a corrupt deb, try re-fetching. |
| 16:23.08 | karsten | malik: Should be plenty. |
| 16:23.36 | *** join/#debian cob (n=asdf@ip24-253-243-172.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 16:23.36 | malik | it's the package from the debian netinst cd rom |
| 16:23.42 | gcbirzan | rahul: It's a joke about how Romanians think. :-) |
| 16:23.51 | malik | and it seems to be all kernel images... |
| 16:23.53 | gcbirzan | rahul: It's actually quite popular in here. |
| 16:24.03 | rahul | gcbirzan: heh |
| 16:24.03 | *** part/#debian helmut (i=helmut@217.20.112.96) |
| 16:24.05 | Ebbs | Hi! How can I start jar Files with debian/etch? |
| 16:24.10 | *** join/#debian qam (n=qam@host86-132-77-66.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:24.18 | rahul | no wonder every Romanian I know is screwed up. |
| 16:24.38 | gcbirzan | Ebbs: Install a Java VM? |
| 16:24.43 | covener | anyone know how to embed a file itself in an oo-writer document -- not the body of a document but a OLE-like link to some other doc? I see oo-writer understands it when there's an embedded file in a e.g a word doc |
| 16:24.47 | gcbirzan | Or something. I suck at Java stuff. :-P |
| 16:25.28 | Ebbs | gcbirzan, ive got normal jre, but what is a Java VM (=Virtual Machine?) |
| 16:25.29 | azeem | gcbirzan: if you suck at it, why do you comment on it? :P |
| 16:26.10 | gcbirzan | azeem: Because I'm drunk. |
| 16:26.11 | rahul | Ebbs: java -jar file.jar I belive |
| 16:26.13 | rahul | haha |
| 16:26.16 | gcbirzan | Well, no. Not drunk, since I'm at work. |
| 16:26.22 | gcbirzan | I'm mildly inebriated. |
| 16:26.23 | rahul | gcbirzan: drinking red wine to get closer to god? |
| 16:26.38 | gcbirzan | No, drinking dark beer for fun. |
| 16:26.41 | Ebbs | rahul, thy |
| 16:26.42 | rahul | heh |
| 16:26.45 | Ebbs | rahul, thx |
| 16:27.02 | rahul | Ebbs: java --help to be sure :P |
| 16:27.18 | rahul | or maybe not... |
| 16:27.26 | rahul | java -help |
| 16:27.26 | *** join/#debian curt_ (n=curt@pdpc/supporter/active/curt) |
| 16:28.05 | enouf | Ebbs: try ##linux perhaps |
| 16:28.32 | Ebbs | enouf, got |
| 16:28.35 | Ebbs | enouf, got it |
| 16:30.02 | *** join/#debian Zarock (n=zarock@APoitiers-153-1-108-17.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:30.07 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@cs181218079.pp.htv.fi) |
| 16:30.21 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 16:30.43 | *** join/#debian komposter (n=komposte@ppp91-76-83-141.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 16:31.59 | *** join/#debian mormoloc (n=chatzill@81.181.177.182) |
| 16:32.35 | *** join/#debian faust_ (n=willy@81.26.34.47) |
| 16:33.13 | *** join/#debian nOp (n=xxxx@81.185.148.208) |
| 16:33.40 | rahul | hell, it's the same as in windows |
| 16:34.01 | *** join/#debian obstfliege (n=obstflie@xdsl-87-78-1-245.netcologne.de) |
| 16:36.36 | SpeS | eisen, celestia up and running, thanks again :) |
| 16:36.47 | *** join/#debian boffiz (n=rico@port-ip-213-211-228-57.reverse.mdcc-fun.de) |
| 16:37.28 | *** part/#debian ypd (n=mtoele@217.170.42.100) |
| 16:38.23 | ph1L | hmmm how can i add something in my sources.list ? |
| 16:38.30 | azeem | ph1L: edit it |
| 16:38.44 | azeem | ph1L: synaptic also has a GUI for it |
| 16:38.57 | *** join/#debian Lukasz (i=Lukasz@CPE00095b0f18fb-CM00111ae346ee.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:39.01 | Lukasz | Hi |
| 16:39.01 | SpeS | ph1L, what do you want exactly? |
| 16:39.17 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@222.253.88.191) |
| 16:39.18 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@p5495AD74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:39.21 | *** join/#debian yungknight (n=js@104.244.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 16:39.27 | *** part/#debian mama_pitufo (n=ticor@200.122.157.219) |
| 16:39.34 | Lukasz | i have a problem I did type dmesg and nothing happend. I have to disable the buffer so I can start the installer |
| 16:39.50 | ph1L | i want to add a site for downloading something |
| 16:39.52 | azeem | disable the buffer? |
| 16:39.53 | *** join/#debian Sativouf (n=Sativouf@62.193.34.247) |
| 16:39.57 | Lukasz | yeah |
| 16:40.02 | azeem | what buffer? |
| 16:40.11 | azeem | and why do you need to start the installer? |
| 16:40.14 | Flimzy | Is it possible to install grub on a USB flash drive? |
| 16:40.15 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 16:40.15 | Ronin | ph1L: we figured that much :) |
| 16:40.16 | Lukasz | debian-installer/disablebuffer |
| 16:40.18 | azeem | and which installer? |
| 16:40.29 | Lukasz | =false |
| 16:40.30 | azeem | Lukasz: you didn't say you were installing |
| 16:40.44 | Lukasz | I am trying to install it |
| 16:40.54 | Lukasz | it doesn't detect my drive |
| 16:41.10 | *** join/#debian redblue` (n=star@84-12-162-148.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 16:41.14 | Lukasz | the external one |
| 16:41.20 | azeem | Lukasz: why do you need the drive during install? |
| 16:41.26 | azeem | worry about it later on |
| 16:41.29 | Lukasz | its the usb drive |
| 16:41.38 | azeem | so? |
| 16:41.52 | Lukasz | I have no space for it on my laptop |
| 16:41.54 | S2AnGeL | do I need to run bind if I am controlling all my diffrent domain names from dyndns |
| 16:42.07 | azeem | Lukasz: I'm not sure installing on external USB drives is supported |
| 16:42.15 | Lukasz | I see |
| 16:42.18 | azeem | Lukasz: if it doesn't get detected, you seem to be out of luck |
| 16:42.23 | Lukasz | yeah |
| 16:42.33 | azeem | Lukasz: can you BIOS boot from it? |
| 16:42.34 | Lukasz | other ones detect it most of them |
| 16:43.13 | Lukasz | I thinkso I had once ubuntu but it wasn't to good distribution |
| 16:43.13 | ph1L | this sources.list file, i want to add deb http://bla.bla... but i have no rights to add something or to copy+paste the new file in it to replace the old one |
| 16:43.13 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip24-255-251-169.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 16:43.16 | azeem | ph1L: you need to be the admin/root |
| 16:43.17 | Ronin | ph1L: you have to be root to do it |
| 16:43.21 | S2AnGeL | I am going to start playing with hosting some websites with debian I am hosting my domain names with dyndns do I need to run bind on my end? |
| 16:43.36 | S2AnGeL | I am going to use ispconfig |
| 16:43.37 | karsten | S2AnGeL: No. |
| 16:43.40 | S2AnGeL | k thanks |
| 16:43.45 | *** join/#debian traxx (n=traxx@ipd50ab9f5.speed.planet.nl) |
| 16:43.49 | ph1L | ah bah right. =/ |
| 16:43.52 | Lukasz | i hope you guys make the usb external drive in the next release |
| 16:43.54 | Lukasz | :) |
| 16:43.58 | karsten | S2AnGeL: ... but you need to have any hostnames defined _somewhere_ authoritative for that domain. |
| 16:44.36 | karsten | S2AnGeL: ... erm. Dyndns would be that somewhere. |
| 16:44.36 | S2AnGeL | karsten: like in apache or hosts file? or does ispconfig do something automaticaly for me some where.. |
| 16:44.44 | Flimzy | I'm trying to do an etch install on a 1gb USB flash drive... everything works until the grub install portion, and grub errors out.... looks like a problem reading drive geometry. is there a way to fix this? do I need to use a different bootloader? |
| 16:44.55 | *** part/#debian sts (n=lostfoun@hermes.ncsaut.net) |
| 16:44.59 | S2AnGeL | I am running a static ip so I am not running any dyndns client |
| 16:45.05 | *** join/#debian My8os (n=My8os@ppp44-16.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 16:45.22 | karsten | S2AnGeL: No, no. Apache needs a list of vhosts, but that's its own "where do I serve requests for $ARBITRARY_HOSTNAME that come to me" issue. |
| 16:45.48 | karsten | S2AnGeL: the dyndns client only updates the dyndns server as to where your IP is so that the appropriate DNS records can be created. |
| 16:45.55 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@217-159-154-248-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 16:45.59 | karsten | S2AnGeL: You need to do some reading on DNS and apache vhost matters. |
| 16:46.06 | S2AnGeL | does ispconfig do this |
| 16:46.13 | karsten | S2AnGeL: You need to do some reading on DNS and apache vhost matters. |
| 16:46.21 | karsten | S2AnGeL: You're understanding this very poorly. |
| 16:46.36 | *** join/#debian GnuPrometheus (n=GnuProme@200.55.161.39) |
| 16:46.40 | karsten | WTF is ispconfig? |
| 16:46.47 | S2AnGeL | lol sorry, ok I will read up on DNS and apache vhosts |
| 16:46.56 | S2AnGeL | ispconfig.org |
| 16:47.09 | enouf | ipschwitz? |
| 16:47.16 | Lukasz | at least I know what wen't wrong now |
| 16:47.52 | karsten | S2AnGeL: Basically: DNS is what associates your IP with a particular hostname. dyndns is doing that for you. vhosts are how apache translates a request for a pariticular webserver to the local pages (or CGIs) it should serve. |
| 16:48.03 | *** part/#debian pvdg (n=paulo@80.172.42.142) |
| 16:48.09 | S2AnGeL | http://www.ispconfig.org/ its a pretty great all in one sorta setup sorta a free version of a web pannel.. kinda cut down.. but GPL nice.. not sure if it will do what I want.. I |
| 16:48.18 | karsten | S2AnGeL: Are you using a hosted Debian system via ispconfig.org? |
| 16:48.31 | karsten | S2AnGeL: Yeah, it's sort of a webmin type thing, right? |
| 16:48.32 | *** join/#debian chronos (n=chronos@200-206-142-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 16:49.06 | chronos | what I can configure init line of postgresql in debian? |
| 16:49.07 | karsten | S2AnGeL: ... in which case, it might (sorry, was reading that as ipconfig which is actually a windows command similar to ifconfig). |
| 16:49.09 | chronos | *on debian? |
| 16:49.12 | *** part/#debian malik (i=malik@213.95.21.30) |
| 16:49.18 | eisen | Flimzy: there's no mbr on usb sticks usually, try syslinux - I've put a bootable knoppix on a stick with that. |
| 16:49.27 | S2AnGeL | karsten yah.. I am running a business dsl withstatic ip.. and I loaded debian netinstall sorta upgraded it to etch a few pain full spots but it seems to be running smooth |
| 16:49.33 | Lukasz | see ya soon |
| 16:49.34 | Flimzy | eisen: okay... |
| 16:49.43 | Flimzy | eisen: that requires a FAT partition, right? |
| 16:49.50 | karsten | S2AnGeL: Frankly I'd prefer manual configs over web-based m'self. |
| 16:49.54 | Flimzy | eisen: Can a USB drive be partitioned? |
| 16:49.58 | karsten | S2AnGeL: ... and I'm outta here. |
| 16:50.02 | S2AnGeL | k thanks man |
| 16:50.05 | eisen | Flimzy: both yes |
| 16:50.07 | ph1L | hmm azeem im @ root now but how can i edit it now ? is there a command like "edit etc/apt/sources.list" ? |
| 16:50.19 | Flimzy | eisen: Okay... so maybe a 10mb FAT partition, then the rest w/ ext3 or whatever? |
| 16:50.26 | azeem | ph1L: how did you edit it before you got root? |
| 16:50.27 | S2AnGeL | just want a sortta not to much effort setup for a few sites nothing to fancy |
| 16:50.28 | eisen | Flimzy: you can just create the filesystem in a loop file |
| 16:50.28 | abrotman | $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:50.29 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslinux Flimzy |
| 16:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 16:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 16:50.46 | ph1L | i havent before. |
| 16:51.03 | azeem | ph1L: you said you couldn't copy&paste etc. |
| 16:51.09 | *** join/#debian cusco (n=Tiago@cpc2-swin6-0-0-cust997.sol2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:51.21 | Flimzy | enouf: thanks |
| 16:51.28 | *** join/#debian obstfliege_ (n=obstflie@xdsl-87-78-4-66.netcologne.de) |
| 16:51.36 | ph1L | nah i copied the file @ desktop, edited it and tried to get it back in the right folder |
| 16:51.50 | azeem | ph1L: how did you edit it? |
| 16:52.17 | azeem | ph1L: if you're unfamiliar with command-line editors, I suggest you use synaptic for this |
| 16:53.04 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 16:54.03 | *** join/#debian yoshio (n=yoshio@001-724-025.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:54.21 | *** join/#debian flashnet (i=flashnet@166.15.185.213.dk-hvi.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) |
| 16:54.36 | *** join/#debian Cyis (n=jbouse@72.54.139.162) |
| 16:55.06 | ph1L | as i said, i copied the file from the etc/apt/ folder @ my desktop, there i could edit it but i cant replace it with the original one in etc/apt folder |
| 16:55.17 | *** join/#debian lvalue (n=rvalue@cable-213-132-133-238.upc.chello.be) |
| 16:55.52 | lvalue | hi, how do i change the crontab editor back to vi from nano? it seems to have made the switch after the last upgrade ? |
| 16:56.37 | hark | lvalue: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 16:56.46 | enouf | export $EDITOR=vi perhaps .. I forgot exactly lvalue |
| 16:56.52 | *** join/#debian mettao87 (i=mettao87@87.15.76.108) |
| 16:56.56 | *** part/#debian mettao87 (i=mettao87@87.15.76.108) |
| 16:57.12 | enouf | lvalue: hark's way is prolly best anyway .. debian way |
| 16:58.09 | lvalue | right, thanks to both. i'll use the $EDITOR until the root shows up to do it the right way :) |
| 16:58.37 | *** join/#debian nse (n=leo@201-36-104-203.rec.megazon.com.br) |
| 17:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper |
| 17:00.33 | *** join/#debian c1|freaky (i=alpha@team.code-1.de) |
| 17:00.50 | amphi | lvalue: crontab uses $EDITOR |
| 17:01.00 | *** join/#debian ^punisher (n=punisher@74.166.45.252) |
| 17:01.36 | azeem | ph1L: you didn't explain how exactly you "edited" ti |
| 17:01.45 | azeem | ph1L: usually, one uses an application to do that |
| 17:01.59 | azeem | ph1L: but anyway, mind my comment about synaptic |
| 17:02.12 | ph1L | ok |
| 17:03.48 | *** join/#debian c1|freaky (i=alpha@team.code-1.de) |
| 17:04.24 | *** join/#debian bwlang (n=bwlang@bb-66-55-211-238.gwi.net) |
| 17:07.42 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@host10-172.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:07.43 | *** join/#debian Althaser (n=nufan@bl7-214-14.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 17:08.52 | *** join/#debian mentor (n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 17:11.44 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.161.21.7) |
| 17:11.46 | *** join/#debian trajan (n=trajan@AMontpellier-152-1-5-173.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:11.51 | *** join/#debian komposter (n=komposte@ppp91-76-83-141.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 17:12.18 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 17:12.20 | *** join/#debian ptmill (n=7317ppmi@dslb-084-058-242-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:13.17 | ptmill | higher kernel Hz => better systemresponse, but less throughput ? So less Kernel Hz is more efficient ? |
| 17:13.56 | anapivirtua__ | Pom Pom Pom |
| 17:15.02 | Flimzy | I see some instructions on installing Debian on a USB flash drive... it says to use /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1. Is that really a good idea? |
| 17:15.11 | Gathond | ptmill: every scheduling has some overhead yes, so in terms of usefull CPU cycles less is more efficient |
| 17:16.32 | Gathond | ptmill: it will be more responsive though, since tasks which use their entire timeslot will not delay other tasks for as long |
| 17:17.37 | ptmill | so if I need maximum throughput and efficiency, I use 50-200 Kernel Hz ? |
| 17:17.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, what do i run next after "sudo dpkg --set-selections < pkgs.deb.selection" to get it to start installing the missing packages |
| 17:18.07 | *** join/#debian HymnToLife (n=fkraiem@LNeuilly-152-23-88-99.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:18.50 | *** join/#debian mega` (n=mega@adsl-69-228-87-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 17:18.58 | *** join/#debian DarKnesS (n=darkn3ss@dyn-83-156-29-167.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 17:19.13 | *** part/#debian DarKnesS (n=darkn3ss@dyn-83-156-29-167.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 17:19.34 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@83-65-244-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 17:21.42 | hark | evilbulgarian: apt-get dselect-upgrade, iirc |
| 17:22.26 | pickcoder | enouf: did you ever try the dist-upgrade for me? |
| 17:22.32 | *** join/#debian Azverkan (n=Azverkan@c-67-174-231-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:22.36 | *** join/#debian schmidtsmikey (n=schmidts@p548AA19C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:22.52 | enouf | pickcoder: ?? |
| 17:22.57 | *** join/#debian twagg1 (n=smoke104@72.86.78.233) |
| 17:23.00 | pickcoder | sarge->etch |
| 17:23.18 | enouf | wrong person? .. or I'm an idiot .. likely the latter |
| 17:23.54 | enouf | pickcoder: are you going back a few weeks? |
| 17:23.57 | pickcoder | yup |
| 17:24.00 | enouf | ahhh |
| 17:24.04 | pickcoder | kernel package bug |
| 17:24.08 | enouf | recap please |
| 17:24.22 | enouf | ahhh.. more please .. apologies |
| 17:24.24 | pickcoder | I already filled the bug but wanted additional confirmation |
| 17:24.45 | pickcoder | dist-upgrade removes the kernel? |
| 17:24.48 | pickcoder | and initrd |
| 17:25.08 | enouf | pickcoder: ok .. no .. I didn't do it .. but I can if necessary . point me to the ISO to d/l and I'll do it |
| 17:25.17 | Flimzy | pickcoder: It probably _replaces_ the kernel. And the new kernels usually don't use initrd |
| 17:25.19 | *** part/#debian chronos (n=chronos@200-206-142-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 17:25.24 | pickcoder | not |
| 17:25.31 | pickcoder | lemme find the bug |
| 17:25.31 | enouf | Flimzy: ?? |
| 17:25.38 | enouf | what uyou mean? |
| 17:25.49 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404779 |
| 17:25.50 | Flimzy | enouf: 2.6.x uses initramfs, no? |
| 17:25.52 | jelly-home | Flimzy: initrd, initramfs, what's the difference |
| 17:25.58 | pickcoder | Flimzy: yes.. it should replace it |
| 17:26.01 | Flimzy | jelly-home: there's a big difference. |
| 17:26.02 | pickcoder | Flimzy: but it doesn't |
| 17:26.12 | enouf | Flimzy: no .. not the Debian pre-compiled kernels |
| 17:26.28 | enouf | initrd is a cpio archive |
| 17:26.41 | enouf | whats changed is the TOOL used to build them I think.. |
| 17:26.48 | Flimzy | enouf: that's odd... I'm using Debian precompiled kernels, and by everything I see, it looks like an initramfs |
| 17:26.50 | enouf | initramfs-tools are needed |
| 17:26.58 | Flimzy | Their structure in memory is entirely different. |
| 17:26.58 | enouf | instead of Yaird or whatever |
| 17:27.02 | Flimzy | initrd is a block device in RAM |
| 17:27.09 | hark | pickcoder: just curious, does the binary mean something (in your part message)? |
| 17:27.12 | Flimzy | initramfs uses the filesystem cache to store files |
| 17:27.25 | *** join/#debian jazbo2185 (n=jhamlin@ppp-70-250-54-144.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) |
| 17:27.29 | jelly-home | Flimzy: ah, like tmpfs? |
| 17:27.30 | *** join/#debian factorx (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-088-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:27.43 | Flimzy | jelly-home: yes. tempfs and initramfs are practically the same. |
| 17:27.50 | enouf | cramfs |
| 17:27.51 | pickcoder | hark: maybe? |
| 17:27.53 | *** join/#debian Myles (n=myles@user-5444f808.lns2-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 17:27.54 | jazbo2185 | How would I tell what ports a particular process is using? |
| 17:28.00 | Flimzy | I know this because I've been trying to build my own initramfs for the last 2 days :) |
| 17:28.10 | Flimzy | jazbo2185: netstat will probably tell you |
| 17:28.32 | jelly-home | Flimzy: that's what I'm talking about... it's a PITA to learn to build it either way ;-) |
| 17:28.33 | Gathond | jazbo2185: netstat |
| 17:28.34 | Tobe | jazbo2185, netstat -p or lsof |
| 17:28.42 | enouf | Flimzy: maybe right .. weird .. |
| 17:28.43 | enouf | checking if image is initramfs... it is |
| 17:28.43 | enouf | RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize |
| 17:28.52 | hark | pickcoder: ah, heh ascii didn't make sense ;) |
| 17:29.04 | CharminTheMoose | why does avidemux kill itself when trying to open saved avi file? http://www.pastebin.ca/314332 |
| 17:29.13 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Indeed. |
| 17:29.14 | pickcoder | my Quit message is bogus |
| 17:29.25 | pickcoder | but it's funny if you understand pick debugger |
| 17:29.35 | *** join/#debian blsecres (n=blsecres@2002:cf3b:8242:2:2c0:4fff:fe50:b77) |
| 17:30.06 | jelly-home | Flimzy: why do you want initr* anyway? I need initramfs for uswsusp to work. (And I want my own kernel cause Debian doesn't have binary builds of -ck patchset) |
| 17:30.46 | Flimzy | jelly-home: My project is to boot from a USB flash drive, with a tmpfs/unionfs overaly on root, to prevent excessive writes to the flash media |
| 17:30.59 | enouf | pickcoder: after reviewing the bug report .. I recall now . but I don't see a specific ISO used .. can you point me to a URL , though I know the Installer's site for ISO's .. I wanna make sure I have ther correct one |
| 17:31.01 | jelly-home | oh, a livecd |
| 17:31.11 | Flimzy | jelly-home: If you just need to add a kernel module to your initramfs, that is simple. |
| 17:31.27 | enouf | pickcoder: doh .. it's a Sarge installer .. ergo .. no change really at 3.1r4 |
| 17:31.29 | pickcoder | enouf: I just used the latest Sarge netinstall |
| 17:31.32 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Sort of a live cd, but I need the option to write changes to the flash media when necessary--but only when I explicitly tell it to. |
| 17:31.39 | *** join/#debian Maximiliano (n=chatzill@201.250.1.156) |
| 17:31.42 | enouf | pickcoder: I told ya I'm an idiot :-) |
| 17:31.54 | yungknight | what is the reverse of postmap xxxx? |
| 17:31.58 | enouf | pickcoder: ok. .. netinstall .. gotcha |
| 17:32.03 | *** join/#debian factorx (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-088-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:32.17 | Flimzy | jelly-home: To add a kernel module to your initramfs (if that is indeed what you need), just edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, add the name of the necessary module(s), then run mkinitramfs -o /boot/foobar.img |
| 17:32.27 | pickcoder | yungknight: there is no backwards to map building |
| 17:32.29 | Flimzy | jelly-home: then point your boot loader's initrd= line to /boot/foobar.img |
| 17:32.34 | pickcoder | edit the source file and rebuild it |
| 17:32.51 | pickcoder | if you deleted the source then you'll have to recreate it |
| 17:32.52 | Flimzy | jelly-home: If you have multiple kernel versions installed, you may need to specify the appropriate version number on the mkinitramfs command line |
| 17:33.11 | enouf | you know .. as root hwinfo --memory lists soem interesting info about Mem and RAMDISKs |
| 17:33.12 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 17:33.17 | yungknight | pickcoder: how to i remove map informtion that i no longer need? do i just do a blank file remap the blank file then delete that file? |
| 17:33.31 | blsecres | does debian have /usr/bin/db? |
| 17:33.36 | pickcoder | yungknight: remove the entry from your config and then just delete the source and .db files |
| 17:33.44 | *** join/#debian knoxy (n=gui@ybc.com.br) |
| 17:33.48 | yungknight | pickcoder: ok thanks |
| 17:33.50 | blsecres | I can use it on NetBSD to read postmap output files |
| 17:33.52 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 17:33.55 | pickcoder | don't forget to restart it |
| 17:34.09 | *** join/#debian octal (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 17:34.42 | blsecres | /usr/bin/db hash /etc/postfix/client_access.db |
| 17:34.55 | rahul | make -C /etc/postfix? |
| 17:35.05 | jjazz | blsecres: apt-file search /usr/bin/db |
| 17:35.05 | rahul | works for sendmail in /etc/mail |
| 17:35.31 | *** join/#debian Zarock (n=zarock@APoitiers-153-1-108-17.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:36.06 | jjazz | blsecres: apt-file search /usr/bin/db | grep db$ might be more appropriate, actually. It returns nothing, so... I guess not. |
| 17:36.12 | blsecres | heh, I don't have apt-file, apt-cache seems to work similarly |
| 17:36.22 | jelly-home | Flimzy: I don't even need any modules, just want the mkinitramfs to add its uswsusp magic... but it seems it doesn't like my kernel or my kernel config, or the documentation could be incomplete. |
| 17:36.30 | blsecres | jjazz: guess it's a NetBSD thing |
| 17:36.42 | js_ | ive created a raid5 array out of 4 320gb sasta drives using mdadm.. but one of them are set as a spare and i cant se any array building in /dev/mdstat.. is this correct? |
| 17:36.47 | enouf | Flimzy: fwiw .. I still boot using <following lines> as I always have |
| 17:36.48 | enouf | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force lapic |
| 17:36.48 | rahul | blsecres: is there a makefile in /etc/postfix? |
| 17:36.49 | enouf | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 17:36.50 | js_ | do i get any redundancy like this? |
| 17:36.51 | jjazz | blsecres: apt-cache searches package names and descriptions, but I think if you want a specific file, you need apt-file. |
| 17:36.53 | cubiq | Any regexp wiz out there? I need to match last . (dot) in a string? (or first if doing reverse matching) |
| 17:37.03 | enouf | Flimzy: so I'm using an initrd |
| 17:37.16 | Flimzy | jelly-home, ah. I'm not familiar with uswsusp |
| 17:37.40 | jjazz | cubiq: /\.$/ ? |
| 17:37.40 | rahul | cubiq: don't think that's possible in regex |
| 17:37.40 | rahul | or hmm |
| 17:37.40 | Flimzy | enouf: That's probably an initramfs even tho it's called initrd. Mine is named the same way. |
| 17:37.40 | knoxy | my network card isn't detected on debian installation.. How can I do to setting up it? |
| 17:37.44 | jelly-home | Flimzy: no prob, I've just started toying with it. |
| 17:37.48 | cubiq | rahul: I htought evrything was possible with regexp :) |
| 17:37.52 | Flimzy | enouf: Perhaps there's a confusion in terms (perhaps intentionally?) between initrd meaning init root-device or init ram-disk (??) |
| 17:37.52 | rahul | cubiq: /(\.)[^.]$/ |
| 17:37.58 | rahul | cubiq: um, that is most definitely not true |
| 17:38.02 | jelly-home | cubiq: regexpen can't make coffee. |
| 17:38.07 | Flimzy | enouf: In any case, the previous mechanism was to use a compressed ramdisk image. Now it's an initramfs |
| 17:38.11 | rahul | cubiq: regex is the weakest programming language that's still considered a language |
| 17:38.14 | cubiq | jelly-home: Really?? |
| 17:38.24 | *** join/#debian j3di (n=no@64.185.96.213) |
| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | cubiq: YA RLY! |
| 17:38.27 | Flimzy | enouf: The bootloader probably doesn't know the difference, even tho the kernel does. |
| 17:38.34 | jjazz | rahul: It's considered a language? |
| 17:38.39 | enouf | Flimzy: not likely, but friggin weird .. as I can (??) recompile it using mkinitrd or dpkg-reconfigure kernel-img.conf ?? |
| 17:38.43 | j3di | my cron jobs are running from UTC instead of Local time.. how do i fix this? |
| 17:38.50 | rahul | jjazz: of course. it is a language... |
| 17:39.02 | enouf | Flimzy: I'll refrain then .. because "I'm not sure" |
| 17:39.09 | jjazz | rahul: I think of it more as a notation. |
| 17:39.10 | cubiq | Thx jjazz and rahul! |
| 17:39.19 | pickcoder | js_ when you build the array you can specify no spares if you want to use the drive |
| 17:39.19 | blsecres | j3di: is /etc/localtime set properly? |
| 17:39.19 | Flimzy | enouf: If you use mkinitrd, you'll probably use the old mechanism (which should still be supported, but is inferior) |
| 17:39.24 | rahul | cubiq: /(\.)[^.]*$/ I mean |
| 17:39.28 | pickcoder | --num-spares=0 or something like that |
| 17:39.29 | *** join/#debian abchirk_ (n=rapunzel@e179017125.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:39.47 | rahul | jjazz: it's a notation for a language for describing DSAs. |
| 17:40.04 | knoxy | Hi all.. my network card isn't detected on debian installation.. How can I do to setting up it? |
| 17:40.08 | Flimzy | enouf: "ramdisk" acts like a block device, and thus is a set size, and is cached with the filesystem cache (meaning anything cached from the ramdisk exists in RAM twice--that's obviously wasteful) |
| 17:40.14 | cubiq | This worked .*(\\..+)$ |
| 17:40.14 | jelly-home | or even /.*(\.)/ |
| 17:40.26 | rahul | jelly-home: that will find the first one, no? |
| 17:40.31 | cubiq | even .*(\..+)$ |
| 17:40.39 | jelly-home | rahul: .* is greedy, so no. |
| 17:40.43 | rahul | ah, right |
| 17:40.49 | j3di | blsecres: i cant tell.. its a bunch of googlygarbage |
| 17:40.53 | jjazz | rahul: hmm. Maybe. It's a stretch to me, but I'm not much for theoretics in this area. |
| 17:41.01 | Flimzy | enouf: initramfs/tmpfs uses the filesysystem cache directly, so it's only in RAM once... and since it's not an actual block device, it can grow or shrink as needed (with user-set size limits if desired) |
| 17:41.08 | blsecres | j3di: ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 17:41.16 | *** join/#debian trajan (n=trajan@AMontpellier-152-1-29-226.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:41.17 | rahul | jjazz: as I said, it's the weakest, so you have to be very rigorous when analyzing it to see any "languageness" to it :) |
| 17:41.17 | cubiq | Regexp is the best but also the worst :P |
| 17:41.19 | blsecres | j3di: mine is a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern |
| 17:41.24 | jjazz | ya |
| 17:41.44 | rahul | cubiq: A programmer once had a problem. He decided to use regex to solve the problem. Now, he has two problems. |
| 17:41.44 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 17:41.46 | jelly-home | Flimzy: initrd sounds like a crude hack compared to tmpfs/initramfs, then |
| 17:41.53 | j3di | bslickers: 30 Jan 9 15:31 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
| 17:41.57 | Flimzy | jelly-home: essentially, yes :) |
| 17:41.59 | cubiq | rahul: He he :) |
| 17:42.04 | j3di | which is my timezone |
| 17:42.08 | *** join/#debian Cooner750 (n=Cooner75@cpe-71-72-209-198.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 17:42.10 | Cooner750 | Hello |
| 17:42.42 | enouf | Flimzy: interestingly .. udev stuff relatesto/requires the tmpfs and /dev/shm allocation tio trigger or initialize the specific devices listed in /dev/.static/dev |
| 17:42.43 | jelly-home | Flimzy: then again Linux didn't have a proper tmpfs for a long time. I remember seeing it on Solaris 2.8 or maybe even 2.6... |
| 17:43.08 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 17:43.19 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@host104-49-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:43.23 | js_ | pickcoder: ok |
| 17:43.25 | enouf | Flimzy: as a tempororary store until it can actually parse/define and assign an appropriate /dev/name for the /dev |
| 17:43.49 | enouf | Flimzy: also involved are sysfs and usbfs sff |
| 17:43.52 | enouf | stuff* |
| 17:43.53 | SmallR2002 | how exactly would i go about getting SD working on my Asus A6U, i have my own 2.6.19.2 kernel |
| 17:44.19 | enouf | I thought I coiuld stop .. but I couldn;'t >>> :-( |
| 17:44.20 | *** part/#debian vivijim (n=vivijim@200.184.118.132) |
| 17:44.36 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: modprobe sdhci perhaps? |
| 17:44.37 | SmallR2002 | it seems to be connecting as a pcmcia card |
| 17:44.55 | blsecres | Has anyone here worked on anacron? It appears to be maintained by people in the Debian project currently. |
| 17:45.09 | azeem | blsecres: that doesn't mean those people are in here |
| 17:45.25 | azeem | blsecres: do you want to hack on it upstream? |
| 17:45.32 | blsecres | azeem: of course not |
| 17:46.00 | blsecres | azeem: I was looking into changing it but wanted to ask about some design decisions first |
| 17:46.09 | j3di | so it looks like mine is set right.. so why are my cron jobs using utc versus the time here |
| 17:46.17 | azeem | blsecres: change in what way? |
| 17:46.27 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, doesn't seem to be doing the job, tried it already in fact |
| 17:46.48 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: oh well, works on my thinkpad though |
| 17:47.05 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: 14:00.2 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 17) |
| 17:47.14 | knoxy | Hi all.. my network card isn't detected on debian installation.. How can I do to setting up it? |
| 17:47.14 | SmallR2002 | taking it in and out does: [ 7488.628000] pccard: card ejected from slot 0 [ 7493.065000] pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 |
| 17:47.14 | blsecres | azeem: right now anacron marks jobs as completed before checking their status, I'd like to delay marking them complete until after a successful status has been returned |
| 17:47.14 | blondie | argh ricoh |
| 17:47.34 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: what does lspci say after you insert it? |
| 17:47.37 | azeem | blsecres: that sounds like hacking on it |
| 17:47.40 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, 00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ac) (thanks to lspci) |
| 17:47.47 | SmallR2002 | stays the same as far as i can see |
| 17:47.51 | azeem | blsecres: why do you think it is maintained by Debian people currently? |
| 17:48.12 | *** join/#debian spytrdr (i=slc@host193.190-30-5.telecom.net.ar) |
| 17:48.31 | *** join/#debian ragnul (n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net) |
| 17:48.41 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: do you have udev? |
| 17:48.42 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 17:49.02 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, yup |
| 17:49.31 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: well, if it poses as a cardbus card a new device should be seen in lspci. |
| 17:49.47 | SmallR2002 | let me do a little pastebinning for you :) |
| 17:50.30 | jelly-home | ok. BTW my CardBus bridge is also a "14:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b3)" ... and it's always there |
| 17:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 17:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 17:51.45 | j3di | is there a way to change cron so it uses the local time instead of UTC? |
| 17:52.17 | jelly-home | cron does use local time here |
| 17:52.40 | blsecres | azeem: It was originally released as a Debian package and is now maintained by a Debian commiter, thought I'd give this channel a try as the project page is virtually empty |
| 17:53.03 | *** part/#debian speeves (n=speeves@cwsvpat.usg.unt.edu) |
| 17:54.06 | enouf | blondie: nver use ricoh media |
| 17:54.12 | enouf | ridata maybe |
| 17:54.22 | azeem | blsecres: hrm, ok |
| 17:54.30 | deadcat_ | how do i make an audio iso of mp3s so i can burn to a cd? |
| 17:54.34 | deadcat_ | using mkisofs? |
| 17:54.43 | azeem | blsecres: I suggest you mail the maintainer then |
| 17:54.48 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: hmm. Something's amiss though, I don't get any response from sdhci when inserting/ejecting a MMC card... this worked on my custom 2.6.17, might be borked on 2.6.18 which I'm currently using |
| 17:54.49 | enouf | yep .. or wodim or genisoimage |
| 17:54.50 | azeem | blsecres: but I haven't seen him around a lot lately |
| 17:55.01 | Tenkawa | blsecres: what package |
| 17:55.04 | deadcat_ | enouf: cant find the options.. |
| 17:55.06 | enouf | deny[all]: or k3b as a frontend |
| 17:55.10 | blsecres | Tenkawa: anacron |
| 17:55.12 | enouf | er deadcat_ |
| 17:55.15 | *** join/#debian Nardul (n=kse@0x50a13ed9.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 17:55.20 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, ah, time to complain at kernel devs? |
| 17:55.23 | enouf | deadcat_: what? |
| 17:55.29 | deadcat_ | enouf: dont have kde stuff.. i use gcombust but its been sucking on me |
| 17:55.41 | enouf | does it feel good? |
| 17:55.44 | Nardul | Hey, can anyone tell me how i make gparted not scan floppy drives? |
| 17:55.47 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: that, or Debian maintainer... currently running distro kernel. |
| 17:56.00 | Tenkawa | blsecres: yeah that one seems pretty quiet |
| 17:56.12 | enouf | deadcat_: you do NOT neeed to make an ISO to make an mp3 cd |
| 17:56.12 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, mines a self built 2.6.19.2 |
| 17:56.15 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: I do get some stuff in dmesg when sdhci is loaded though |
| 17:56.17 | x_link | enouf: Hi mate! =) Do you know any bood P2P program? |
| 17:56.22 | deadcat_ | enouf: oh... |
| 17:56.26 | enouf | deadcat_: just create a Data CD .. not an AduioCD |
| 17:56.42 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: lines starting with sdhci:... and the last line is a "mmc0: SDHCI at 0xb0001800 irq 66 DMA" |
| 17:56.43 | deadcat_ | enouf: i want to play it on a cdplayer.. |
| 17:56.49 | enouf | x_link: no .. apologiess.. hardly even have a desrire to know them |
| 17:56.57 | enouf | deadcat_: and? |
| 17:57.03 | deadcat_ | enouf: how |
| 17:57.13 | x_link | enouf: Okey, =) |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman | okay .. not okey |
| 17:57.29 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: also, only MMC and SD are currently supported by the driver, other card types don't work. Lemme do a quick reboot. |
| 17:57.32 | enouf | the CD palyer doesn't recognize mp3s? .. where's this CD player ? ,.. a Car? |
| 17:57.33 | blsecres | thanks for the info |
| 17:57.36 | *** part/#debian blsecres (n=blsecres@2002:cf3b:8242:2:2c0:4fff:fe50:b77) |
| 17:57.41 | abrotman | okey is a term used to describe people who fled oklahoma during the Dust Bowl |
| 17:57.55 | enouf | abrotman: grey or gray? |
| 17:58.10 | abrotman | both are fine .. okey is not okay :) |
| 17:58.12 | enouf | noone or no one |
| 17:58.32 | enouf | how about the AOL style kk ? .. hehe |
| 17:58.35 | jjazz | abrotman: I thougt it was a term used by wine snobs to mean "tastes like wood" |
| 17:58.39 | rahul | kkplzkthx? |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | not that i've seen anyways |
| 17:58.44 | enouf | WODODY! |
| 17:58.47 | jelly | enouf: happy or gay? |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 17:58.51 | enouf | bah |
| 17:59.07 | enouf | jelly: or bursting with love :-) |
| 17:59.18 | rahul | I show you my love bursting... |
| 17:59.26 | rahul | oh wait |
| 17:59.30 | jelly | in short 9mm bursts |
| 17:59.33 | rahul | haha |
| 17:59.57 | *** part/#debian Tenkawa (n=Tenkawa@unaffiliated/tenkawa) |
| 18:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 697] by debhelper |
| 18:00.01 | enouf | about a +10 |
| 18:00.39 | *** part/#debian mike-e (n=mike@c-67-184-100-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:00.41 | enouf | deadcat_: WTF are you doing? .. hehe |
| 18:01.06 | enouf | deadcat_: what software is reading these CDs |
| 18:01.19 | enouf | or is it a console player? |
| 18:01.25 | enouf | then you need PCM files |
| 18:01.35 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 18:01.43 | enouf | !stab deadcat_ |
| 18:01.58 | *** join/#debian Gg7 (n=Gge@202.134.145.13) |
| 18:02.10 | *** join/#debian Aubustou (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-8-104.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:02.54 | *** join/#debian rjm (n=rjm@f190005.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 18:02.57 | *** part/#debian jpduyx (n=jpduyx@zwfw.zestsoftware.nl) |
| 18:03.23 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 18:03.27 | grendal_prime | hey guys i got these kqemu files in my trash can that i cant delete |
| 18:03.29 | abrotman | HI |
| 18:03.38 | abrotman | in your what ? |
| 18:03.50 | *** join/#debian atk_ (n=tommi@tuomi.oulu.fi) |
| 18:03.53 | *** join/#debian blackelf (n=blackelf@unaffiliated/raf256) |
| 18:03.54 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/RNVhWe56.html is every bit of info i can think of needing |
| 18:03.57 | deadcat_ | enouf: no. its a car cdplayer.. what the f |
| 18:03.58 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 18:05.27 | grendal_prime | trashcan thang on the desktop |
| 18:05.33 | grendal_prime | its werid, i cant remove them |
| 18:05.44 | grendal_prime | ive compleatly removed kqemu from the system, and qemu |
| 18:05.57 | Eulex | grendal_prime, might help if you mentioned what desktop environment you're using... |
| 18:06.23 | Eulex | so we could redirect you to the right channel |
| 18:06.41 | enouf | deadcat_: a Car CDplayer chould be able to play mp3s |
| 18:07.05 | enouf | deadcat_: burn it as an Data compilation |
| 18:07.09 | SmallR2002 | the thing is grendal_prime, much as we would love to help you, you haven't told us any information surrounding the problem |
| 18:07.12 | *** join/#debian Anarka (i=anarka@c-4373e455.29-28-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:07.30 | enouf | deadcat_: IOW .. separate files .. |
| 18:07.32 | grendal_prime | sorry, using a kde frontend |
| 18:07.52 | StormBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.10 | enouf | abrotman: how do it tell dpkg to use a <nickname> in a factoid? |
| 18:08.13 | grendal_prime | name of the file..= kqemu-1.3.0pre9 |
| 18:08.15 | jelly | SmallR2002: that's funny, no change at all in lspci. What about lsusb? |
| 18:08.20 | grendal_prime | and ...there are 2 of them |
| 18:08.27 | grendal_prime | exactly same name |
| 18:08.28 | Ebbs | Hi! Im trying to move files from my Laptop (Debian/etch) to my PC (WinXP Home), but if im writing data to my CnMeomory-USB-Stick the PC cant rad them properly. (Error: File is damaged)! What can I do to write data properly with debian to make this damn windows understand all?? |
| 18:08.30 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 18:08.30 | grendal_prime | odd there |
| 18:08.35 | enouf | abrotman: any nickname .. is it (*.?) . i treid that .. nho workey |
| 18:08.39 | SmallR2002 | jelly, lets see :) |
| 18:08.40 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 18:08.44 | Eulex | grendal_prime, try asking in #kde? |
| 18:08.57 | h3sp4wn | Ebbs: Make sure you unmount it properly |
| 18:09.04 | *** join/#debian gdub (n=graham@d206-116-142-77.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 18:09.05 | grendal_prime | ya, i just thougth it was something more with the file system |
| 18:09.11 | *** join/#debian lleoneye (n=lleoneye@dslb-084-056-046-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:09.12 | Ebbs | h3sp4wn, i did unmount it |
| 18:09.14 | SmallR2002 | jelly, not a thing |
| 18:09.30 | atk_ | Hi. I couldn't find information on what debian kernel patches actually contain. Do I need'em and what should I consider if I compile from vanilla source? |
| 18:09.59 | enouf | like making Music and building Homes and Houses |
| 18:10.26 | *** join/#debian pikko (n=lukas@boh.netbox.cz) |
| 18:10.31 | deadcat_ | enouf: k |
| 18:10.39 | *** join/#debian _Brandon_ (n=Carlo@85-18-136-105.fastres.net) |
| 18:10.45 | lleoneye | hmm hi all anyone know if there is a way to remove all the windows bootloader stuff from hda? i always get "Attempting to boot from Harddisk (C:), USB" etc. before Grub |
| 18:10.49 | Eulex | grendal_prime, I doubt it. |
| 18:10.50 | *** join/#debian Smecker (n=matt@bas2-kingston08-1167930820.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:11.10 | enouf | deadcat_: it depends how old the car cd player is though .. |
| 18:11.14 | Ebbs | enouf, do you have an idea with my little problem? |
| 18:11.18 | atk_ | lleoneye: where is your grub currently? |
| 18:11.31 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows why on debian unstable there is still no kernel 2.6.19? |
| 18:11.33 | enouf | Ebbs: reviewing .. hold |
| 18:11.38 | lleoneye | i used the default debian etch netinstall cd |
| 18:11.44 | Ebbs | enouf, thx |
| 18:11.45 | lleoneye | and added it to mbr |
| 18:11.46 | craigevil | Ebbs what file format is the usbkey? |
| 18:11.47 | Cholito | lleoneye: did you tried to change the boot sequence in yur bios? |
| 18:11.54 | lleoneye | hmmmm |
| 18:12.01 | *** join/#debian eucalre (n=manek@82-38-195-78.cable.ubr04.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:12.03 | Ebbs | craigevil, usb fs=FAT32 |
| 18:12.04 | lleoneye | you think its a bios msg? |
| 18:12.13 | rgsteele | atk_: Go to kernel.org and check the changelogs |
| 18:12.26 | Ebbs | craigevil, or did you mean sth other |
| 18:12.34 | *** join/#debian bariel (n=gbw@e178057254.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:12.47 | lleoneye | hmmmm let me see, brb! |
| 18:12.50 | bariel | hello, i have an external usb hdd from a friend which seems not to be working, how can i check if the hdd is ok or not? i tried plugged the usb hdd into my laptop, but it seems can not be recognized |
| 18:12.56 | jelly | SmallR2002: no ideas then... I think _something_ should be seen in lspci after the card is inserted... |
| 18:12.56 | craigevil | no that one, is it getting unmount safely |
| 18:13.14 | SmallR2002 | jelly, so do i |
| 18:13.22 | *** join/#debian roue (n=roue@afterthought.ACS.Carleton.edu) |
| 18:13.23 | enouf | Ebbs: outline your deisred goals .. to share files? XPoop and Debain? |
| 18:13.26 | jelly | SmallR2002: frankly I can't get my mmc reader to work now even on my old 2.6.17 kernel ;-) |
| 18:13.51 | Cholito | bariel: hdparm |
| 18:13.52 | enouf | Ebbs: you might want to consider Samba .. ugh .. but yes |
| 18:13.53 | jelly | SmallR2002: but at least I see it in lspci and the driver recognizes it |
| 18:14.09 | Ebbs | enouf, I want to move data properly by using my USB-Stick |
| 18:14.11 | SmallR2002 | jelly, firmware maybe? |
| 18:14.42 | enouf | Ebbs: make your USB stick an ext2 FS .. use a stupid expolore2fs driver for XPoop |
| 18:14.46 | Ebbs | enouf, and i did unmount it before plugging out |
| 18:14.54 | *** join/#debian usn (n=usn@p54932EF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:15.11 | enouf | Ebbs: or take your chances using ntfs-3g |
| 18:15.26 | Ebbs | enouf, is ext2 readable foe windows? |
| 18:15.27 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about ntfs |
| 18:15.41 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about ntfs-3g |
| 18:15.47 | rgsteele | Ebbs: Make sure you don't put your USB keyfob in the wash. That breaks it too. |
| 18:15.51 | rgsteele | Happened to me once. |
| 18:16.06 | Ebbs | lol |
| 18:16.14 | Cholito | bariel: or fsck (which might be better) |
| 18:16.31 | *** join/#debian Thmss (n=Thmss@AAmiens-153-1-65-89.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:16.31 | Ebbs | enouf, is ext2 readable foe windows? |
| 18:16.35 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: it's wired differently on your machine and I'm not knowledgeable enough about pci and cardbus bridges. |
| 18:16.41 | *** part/#debian factorx (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-088-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:16.48 | bariel | Cholito, how can i fsck specific hdd? |
| 18:16.50 | enouf | Ebbs: yes .. using explore2fs driver .. jfgi |
| 18:16.54 | jfletcher | Ebbs: you can mount it with certain drivers. |
| 18:16.56 | enouf | !jfgi |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | well, jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 18:17.04 | rgsteele | lol |
| 18:17.29 | rgsteele | I think that's my new favorite auto-message |
| 18:17.32 | Cholito | bariel: man fsck |
| 18:17.37 | rgsteele | It used to be !moo |
| 18:17.42 | rgsteele | that, or !ask |
| 18:17.52 | *** join/#debian Deepa (i=deepa@korvboll.armchairs.be) |
| 18:17.59 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, same with me, it's a bit, um, strange |
| 18:18.02 | Ebbs | enouf, I also want to transport data to many PC, not only to my prepared one windows cursed PC |
| 18:18.38 | grendal_prime | next question with xorg, how do we check 3d acceleration |
| 18:18.54 | azeem | grendal_prime: glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 18:18.58 | atk_ | rgsteele: Shouldn't I look in to what's in patches and not what's in the vanilla to find out what patches bring in to the kernel? And I'm in need more sort of a summary than long list of changes since I'm just a beginner and this is for my home computer. I assumed that there would be such introduction somewhere |
| 18:19.06 | *** join/#debian jokker_fr (n=jokker_f@ip68-228-57-142.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:19.10 | Ebbs | enouf, but I see you dont now how to help me. it doesnt matter, I only thought sb could know, thx a lot |
| 18:19.24 | Ebbs | enouf, *know |
| 18:19.24 | *** join/#debian maxy (n=maxy@84-74-86-83.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:19.34 | bariel | Cholito, the problem is, the hdd is not recognized yet |
| 18:19.45 | rgsteele | atk_: Patches are usually just bugfixes, security issues, etc. |
| 18:19.46 | enouf | Ebbs: learn how to Networking .. the IP .. erm TCP/IP protocol doesn't distinguish between FS types |
| 18:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 705] by debhelper |
| 18:20.13 | rgsteele | atk_: What's your ultimate goal? To learn how to roll your own? |
| 18:20.20 | Ebbs | enouf, I dont want to use network!!! :-) |
| 18:20.23 | enouf | Ebbs: my apologies if I didn't know, or understand, or help .. |
| 18:20.38 | Cholito | bariel: did you tried to mount it? |
| 18:20.46 | Ebbs | enouf, doesnt matter |
| 18:20.52 | Trewas | Ebbs: fat32 should work fine with pretty much every operating system |
| 18:20.58 | enouf | Ebbs: realize you are dealing with some "proprietary" formats |
| 18:21.07 | Ebbs | FAT32 |
| 18:21.28 | Ebbs | and linux mounting type is vfat? |
| 18:21.35 | Trewas | yes |
| 18:21.46 | enouf | yes .. for fat16/fat32 |
| 18:21.53 | *** join/#debian dogfish (n=lindenle@ppp-70-225-174-186.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) |
| 18:22.04 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: but I guess a kernel list would be the right place to ask. Based on my experience with my laptop, where turning the wireless switch on "magically" inserts a usb device, I'm guessing that inserting a SD card on your machine magically inserts a card which would appear as a cardbus/pcmcia SD reader (with a SD inside), or something similar. But you receive two ejects instead of one insert and one eject... so I guess the cardbus driver is misinte |
| 18:22.04 | jelly-home | rpreting something |
| 18:22.17 | bariel | Cholito, i dont know which dev to mount, since it cant find the hdd because of damaged maybe |
| 18:22.18 | atk_ | rgsteele: I wanted to compile my own kernel and just for the fun of it I decided to try to apply grsecurity patches. Those aren't compatible with debian patches in my kernel version. And while doing it, learn bit more about the system. Hack. |
| 18:22.45 | Ebbs | whem i plug in my stick into the windows pc and replug it to my linux laptop, it remounts only readonly |
| 18:22.49 | Cholito | bariel: do you have another ubs/sata drive? |
| 18:23.09 | Ebbs | i cant write anymore on my stick, this is ... |
| 18:23.14 | enouf | heh |
| 18:23.31 | rahul | heh |
| 18:23.44 | enouf | Ebbs: what's /etc/fstab say? |
| 18:23.47 | bariel | Cholito, yes, beside this one i want to test, i have usb-mouse, external hdd and cdrom which should be connected by usb, since i am using ibm notebook |
| 18:23.49 | Ebbs | After formatting it with my win PC , stick is working again |
| 18:24.11 | enouf | Ebbs: your winPC is garbage .. bury it |
| 18:24.27 | Ebbs | I copied entry of mtab (when it was mounted automatically) to my fstab |
| 18:24.35 | enouf | why??? |
| 18:24.36 | Ebbs | enouf, oh yes |
| 18:24.48 | *** join/#debian damog (i=damog@debian/developer/damog) |
| 18:24.52 | enouf | Ebbs NO NO NO |
| 18:25.07 | enouf | mtab is not i the /etc/fstab format |
| 18:25.13 | Cholito | bariel: uhmmm, so, lets say the external hdd is sda, and the cdrom might be sdb (not sure), you to-be-test hd have to be /dev/sdc |
| 18:25.17 | Ebbs | enouf, just for being able to mount it manully with the same options |
| 18:25.18 | SmallR2002 | jelly-home, i'll have a look around, see what i bring up |
| 18:25.23 | enouf | and besides .. mtab aibn't reliable |
| 18:25.39 | rgsteele | atk_: Google has a lot of different things to say about the subject. |
| 18:25.40 | enouf | Ebbs: no .. it dosn;'t work lioke that |
| 18:25.42 | Ebbs | oh |
| 18:25.48 | Ebbs | ohohoh |
| 18:25.49 | enouf | yes .. oh |
| 18:26.03 | Ebbs | enouf, that would explain some things! |
| 18:26.10 | enouf | doh! |
| 18:26.12 | jelly | Ebbs: I'd use pmount for the usb stick(s) |
| 18:26.16 | rgsteele | atk_: If you really want to learn the in's and out's, and not someone saying "Do x, y, z", then you're gonna have to start there. |
| 18:26.27 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@201.15.207.181) |
| 18:26.30 | bariel | Cholito, i have only sda and sdb in /dev |
| 18:26.55 | Ebbs | jelly, thx for the tip |
| 18:26.56 | *** join/#debian Zap-W (i=Zap-W@87.69.58.239.cable.012.net.il) |
| 18:27.02 | enouf | Ebbs: cat /proc/mounts is LIVe .. BUT .. do NOT use those options in /etc/fstab |
| 18:27.03 | Ebbs | jelly, thx for the hint |
| 18:27.06 | Cholito | bariel: then try b |
| 18:27.17 | Ebbs | k |
| 18:27.31 | Ebbs | enouf, thx , ill work on it |
| 18:27.31 | *** join/#debian xittum (n=tom@0x50c605e6.boanxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 18:27.31 | jelly | Ebbs: usb and/or other hotplugged devices have a tendency not to appear as the same device, it could be sdc how and sda some other time |
| 18:27.37 | enouf | Ebbs: for ex .. if I use a chroot env .. guess what? |
| 18:27.55 | enouf | Ebbs: nosuid,nodev,nonothing |
| 18:28.06 | Ebbs | enouf, ex ?? env?? |
| 18:28.15 | jelly | Ebbs: this can be dealt with in more than one way |
| 18:28.16 | enouf | ex== example |
| 18:28.24 | Ebbs | oh |
| 18:28.25 | enouf | env== environment |
| 18:28.26 | bariel | Cholito, i tried typing mount and see that sdb is my another external hdd since sda is my internal hdd |
| 18:28.26 | atk_ | rgsteele: true, but then again I don't want to learn it completely.. or actually I would want to, but I don't have the time for it. So, that's why I don't want to get on a such low level. |
| 18:28.28 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:28.29 | Ebbs | oh |
| 18:29.12 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about Debian reference |
| 18:29.15 | Ebbs | its hard to lead this noob-like life. *crying* |
| 18:29.20 | Cholito | bariel: do you have a custom kernel? |
| 18:29.22 | *** join/#debian broosters (n=ircap8@eu85-87-2-29.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 18:29.25 | broosters | visit http://broosters.blogspot.com for the best chicks and the better entertainment... LMAO |
| 18:29.27 | *** part/#debian broosters (n=ircap8@eu85-87-2-29.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 18:29.28 | bariel | Cholito, no |
| 18:29.39 | Cholito | thats weird |
| 18:29.51 | krazykit | i always wonder why spammers laugh their asses off. |
| 18:29.55 | bariel | Cholito, i think the hdd is damaged so that it cant recognize the hdd, because it is damaged or something |
| 18:29.56 | jelly | !udev usbkey |
| 18:29.56 | dpkg | [udev usbkey] plug your usb key in, then run dmesg, look for a line like this: Vendor: LEXAR Model: JUMPDRIVE SECURE Rev: 1000; then echo 'BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="JUMPDRIVE SECURE", NAME{all_partitions}="usbkey%n"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules ; but substitute the the Model: string from dmesg into the SYSFS{model} parameter |
| 18:30.05 | *** join/#debian nebo (n=nebo@dslb-084-057-242-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:30.26 | *** join/#debian AciD (n=gni@tehpwnz.org) |
| 18:30.30 | valdyn | jelly: doesnt udev already do this now automagically etch and later? |
| 18:30.32 | Cholito | bariel: try something: unplugg the hd, then plugg it in again and type: dmesg | tail |
| 18:30.37 | enouf | hah! |
| 18:30.49 | Cholito | bariel: and paste it (not here) |
| 18:30.50 | valdyn | jelly: i know it does for nics and cdrom drives, no idea about usb stuff |
| 18:30.54 | jelly | valdyn: I have no idea, don't have a usb key around to try... |
| 18:30.58 | bariel | Cholito, i pasted it already |
| 18:31.03 | enouf | hah hah! |
| 18:31.04 | abrotman | valdyn: in gnome yes |
| 18:31.04 | *** join/#debian MsgToThePpl (i=ab3l@151.74.186.214) |
| 18:31.04 | bariel | http://pastebin.ca/314365 |
| 18:31.19 | valdyn | abrotman: hmm? gnome affects udev? |
| 18:31.24 | valdyn | abrotman: nono |
| 18:31.38 | MsgToThePpl | Hi i've a problem:when i change resolv.conf it turns back to default! after a while |
| 18:31.40 | enouf | bbl |
| 18:31.43 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager |
| 18:31.48 | *** join/#debian ProtectYaNeck (n=ProtectY@74-140-44-176.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 18:31.54 | jelly | valdyn: just did /msg dpkg listvalues search for uuid and udev until something vaguely useful came up |
| 18:32.28 | MsgToThePpl | i guess it's due to the eagle usb pack |
| 18:32.33 | jelly | valdyn: myself, I label the (single) partitions on my usb devices and do mount LABEL=foo from fstab |
| 18:32.39 | valdyn | abrotman: im talking about for instance /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules, g-v-m affects it? |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | valdyn: i thought you meant the automounting of usb thingies |
| 18:33.01 | Cholito | bariel: that's really weird. Have you tried to plugg the hd in another pc? |
| 18:33.16 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 18:33.19 | valdyn | abrotman: ah, no, not automounting, i was talking about persistent device node names |
| 18:33.22 | rgsteele | atk_: In 30 seconds or less... Go to kernel.org, download the latest source and untar/unzip it. cd into the source tree, copy your current /boot/config-<version> into the root of the kernel source as ".config", do a "make oldconfig", then "make menuconfig", then "make-kpkg kernel_image append=-custom" |
| 18:33.30 | abrotman | valdyn: fine .. be that way! |
| 18:33.33 | *** join/#debian karmatronic (n=karmatro@84.77.152.248) |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | rgsteele: why? |
| 18:33.44 | Cholito | bariel: (I would try it in another pc...if it doesn't work...I think is broken) |
| 18:33.54 | bariel | Cholito, as i said, the hdd could be damaged because it is an internal hdd from another ibm notebook, my friend asked me if i can fsck it for him or something, but i cant fsck if it cant be found |
| 18:34.01 | rgsteele | abrotman: He wants to learn how to roll his own, but doesn't want to read nitty gritty docs. So, that gives him a running start. |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | tough shit .. he needs to read them |
| 18:34.17 | *** join/#debian rsk (n=ruskie@c83-250-201-207.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:34.21 | *** join/#debian StormBlade (n=stormbla@88.247.196.5) |
| 18:34.37 | Cholito | bariel: internal? how do you plugg it in? usb adapter? |
| 18:34.48 | jelly | bariel: well, ask the vendor what's the worst thing that can happen? |
| 18:34.51 | bariel | Cholito, yes, it is now usb |
| 18:35.00 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah, or he needs to learn my new favorite acronym |
| 18:35.03 | rgsteele | !jfgi |
| 18:35.03 | dpkg | somebody said jfgi was just fucking google it |
| 18:35.08 | rgsteele | :) |
| 18:35.09 | Cholito | bariel: I would take jelly's advice |
| 18:35.12 | jelly | !giyf |
| 18:35.12 | dpkg | it has been said that giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 18:35.30 | bariel | jelly, i will, i just want to try it myself before take that action |
| 18:35.35 | rgsteele | jelly: Yeah, but that's nowhere near as edgy as jfgi |
| 18:35.36 | rgsteele | ;) |
| 18:35.37 | karmatronic | gooiyf |
| 18:36.03 | jelly | rgsteele: your acronym uses google as a verb which Google (NOT evil) doesn't like |
| 18:36.21 | Cholito | bariel: the best option is that they do all the durty job...just in case something goes wrong =P |
| 18:36.29 | rgsteele | jelly: Really, they don't like you using them as a part of speech other than a noun? |
| 18:36.35 | Cholito | **dirty |
| 18:36.36 | karsten | jelly: Don't make me get all googly on your *ss. |
| 18:36.43 | Gnea | jelly: that's too bad |
| 18:36.46 | atk_ | rgsteele: nice :) Only one thing I'm wondering is what happens when patch introduces a feature/option not available in kernel.org's kernel. Oh well, I'll look in to it more and try it. Thanks |
| 18:37.04 | bariel | ok, i thank you all for your time and effort |
| 18:37.09 | rgsteele | atk_: man patch |
| 18:37.10 | jelly | rgsteele: they really don't like when you use it as a generic term for searching teh Interwebs |
| 18:37.29 | *** join/#debian Sverre^ (n=sverre@user-514f1fd3.l1.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 18:37.37 | karsten | jelly: Here's a quarter. |
| 18:37.45 | Gnea | jelly: they're pretty stupid then :) |
| 18:37.49 | abrotman | atk_: the changelogs are at packages.debian.org .. or in the packages themselves |
| 18:37.53 | jelly | Gnea: aren't they now |
| 18:38.04 | rgsteele | I think jelly is a Google employee in disguise. He's the Cait-Sith of #debian |
| 18:38.14 | jelly | teehee |
| 18:38.14 | Gnea | jelly: so, what division of google do you work for? |
| 18:38.15 | rgsteele | ;) |
| 18:38.23 | jelly | I'm NOT evil |
| 18:38.25 | StormBlade | is there a debian package for wine |
| 18:38.27 | jelly | heh heh heh |
| 18:38.33 | Gnea | denial. |
| 18:38.34 | atk_ | rgsteele & abrotman: :) |
| 18:38.38 | rgsteele | StormBlade: I dunno, did you try apt-cache search wine? |
| 18:38.43 | valdyn | !tell StormBlade -about search |
| 18:38.47 | Gnea | if you're human, you're evil by default. |
| 18:39.05 | *** part/#debian rjm (n=rjm@f190005.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 18:39.07 | Ronin | Gnea: catholic by any chance are you? |
| 18:39.17 | krazykit | silly hyoo-mans |
| 18:39.25 | karsten | jelly: If Google wants to police #debian for trademark abuse, they're welcom to pit themseves agaist our f3ar50m3 ops team. |
| 18:39.30 | Gnea | Ronin: no, agnostic, why? |
| 18:39.31 | jelly | Gnea: I'm a bourne again amnesiaic secret agent |
| 18:39.40 | Ronin | Gnea: the evil by default comment |
| 18:39.43 | karsten | jelly: BAASA? |
| 18:39.52 | *** join/#debian CLucas (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 18:39.59 | Gnea | Ronin: i don't see how one would assume one's religion based upon it |
| 18:40.15 | karsten | Gnea: Oh, original sith, erm, sin, and all that. |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | catholic dogma |
| 18:40.36 | Gnea | karsten, Ronin: ask me if i give a flying fsck? :) |
| 18:40.40 | rgsteele | Y'know, I would think that they'd be happy that they were considered the definition of the "internet search engine" |
| 18:41.13 | Ebbs | enouf, same happens if im using pmount (I deleted fstab entry): If I remount my Stick with the data written by debian, after it was plugged into my winPC, I cant write anymore on my stick! |
| 18:41.15 | rgsteele | And not just "one of the internet search engines" |
| 18:41.27 | jelly | Gnea: well you mentioned it, it's only fair to expose you to the origins of your thought |
| 18:41.36 | rgsteele | Ebbs: You sure it's not remounting read-only? |
| 18:41.36 | keith80403 | Gnea, Agreed. |
| 18:41.46 | StormBlade | rgsteele, yes |
| 18:42.05 | m0rbid | I need some assistance with my server not being able to ping anything at all. I pasted my ifconfig, route, and interfaces outputs to: http://channels.debian.org/paste/5060 |
| 18:42.19 | *** part/#debian xittum (n=tom@0x50c605e6.boanxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 18:42.23 | StormBlade | i know apt-cache but i need a package for amd64 |
| 18:42.27 | rgsteele | StormBlade: Well then, why did you ask in here? It gave you at least 10 or 15 results. And that's if you're only using stable repositories. |
| 18:42.32 | azeem | karsten: we actually got ops who work at google |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | StormBlade: packages.debian.org .. they have it |
| 18:42.40 | abrotman | azeem: in this #debian ? |
| 18:42.43 | azeem | yes |
| 18:42.44 | jelly | Ebbs: do you umount it before unplugging it from the machine? |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | azeem: are they active? |
| 18:42.58 | azeem | abrotman: I deny the answer |
| 18:43.08 | abrotman | azeem: hehe |
| 18:43.10 | azeem | let's say "more active than ElectricElf" |
| 18:43.15 | Ronin | azeem: and how do they feel about google now being the catch phrase instead of "did you search fo it" |
| 18:43.21 | abrotman | azeem: my dead grandmother is more active than EE |
| 18:43.36 | Ebbs | rgsteele, pmount -w /dev/sdb1 /etc/mtab: http://pastebin.ca/314389 |
| 18:43.48 | azeem | actually, I wasn't going to get dragged into this discussion |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:43.55 | petemc | m0rbid: what kind of device is your gateway at 24.38.64.177 ? |
| 18:43.57 | *** join/#debian bodago (n=bobd@dhcp1-66-244-84-223.stfd.smithvilledsl.net) |
| 18:43.59 | Ebbs | jelly, i did unmount it without error |
| 18:44.02 | *** join/#debian priscila (n=prinewgi@201.7.45.77) |
| 18:44.08 | Ronin | azeem: heh too late :) |
| 18:44.15 | *** join/#debian mentor (n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 18:44.17 | *** join/#debian Mongo2 (n=mongo@bzq-88-153-171-218.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:44.23 | enouf | Ebbs: I never suggested pmount .. someone else may have though |
| 18:44.25 | m0rbid | petemc: not sure, I have 5 IPs assigned to me from the cable company, 177 isnt even in my block |
| 18:44.35 | m0rbid | 177 is my gateway |
| 18:44.44 | jelly | Ebbs: also, that pmount command is totally wrong |
| 18:45.17 | Ebbs | jelly, is it? |
| 18:45.32 | *** join/#debian clocked (n=clocker@mrrsmb01bb2-ac01-63-106.dial.mts.net) |
| 18:45.36 | jelly | Ebbs: why would you use "/etc/mtab" as label? |
| 18:45.43 | StormBlade | well then, is there a guitar tablature program for linux |
| 18:45.56 | jelly | Ebbs: use something like "usbkey" or whatever |
| 18:46.07 | azeem | StormBlade: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 18:46.09 | azeem | I believe there is |
| 18:46.20 | Ebbs | jelly, the stick isnt secured |
| 18:46.27 | jelly | Ebbs: or just pmount sdb1 |
| 18:46.27 | enouf | StormBlade: no .. learn how to get your own calluses |
| 18:46.39 | enouf | StormBlade: via playing |
| 18:47.09 | jelly | Ebbs: I don't see the relation with /etc/mtab, sorry |
| 18:47.28 | enouf | gg gets more promotion via name whether verb or noun .. screw it's usage |
| 18:47.29 | Ebbs | Sie haben nicht die nötigen Zugriffsrechte, um den Inhalt von »sdb1« anzuzeigen >> That means, you dont have access on this device!!! |
| 18:47.34 | m0rbid | petemc: I do not see whats wrong with any of those files, cept I do not understand route as much as I would like. |
| 18:47.38 | rgsteele | Ebbs: you see the remount-ro part? |
| 18:47.41 | Ebbs | even with pmount sdb1 |
| 18:48.01 | m0rbid | Ebbs: trouble with usb stick mounting? |
| 18:48.03 | rgsteele | Er, nevermind :P |
| 18:48.20 | *** join/#debian __honky (n=sheim@e178087041.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:48.22 | Ebbs | yes |
| 18:48.40 | Ebbs | m0rbid, yes |
| 18:48.44 | *** join/#debian cahoot_ (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 18:49.02 | *** join/#debian l3on_ (n=l3on@83-103-90-62.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 18:49.11 | m0rbid | Ebbs: here, goto http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/suse9.1_usb_stick.html |
| 18:49.24 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about vfatrw |
| 18:49.25 | m0rbid | I was just there, I know, I know, I use debian too, just read it. |
| 18:49.27 | Ebbs | m0rbid, thx ill work on t |
| 18:49.41 | jelly | Ebbs: what I see from your pastebin is that you have mounted the vfat partition /dev/sdb1 on /media/-w, read-write |
| 18:49.41 | Ebbs | Im called for dinner, thx to all!!!!! |
| 18:49.46 | *** join/#debian Lesbian[away] (n=SuperGir@85.107.36.32) |
| 18:49.46 | m0rbid | that artical just worked for me. |
| 18:49.54 | *** join/#debian Swissgent (n=upvr@84-72-49-121.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:50.08 | enouf | though I'd use umask=000 and if usinfg uid .. make it uid=1000 |
| 18:50.22 | Ebbs | jelly, now it is /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 vfat rw,noexec,nosui...... |
| 18:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 18:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 18:50.46 | Ebbs | jelly, thx a lot , but ive to go! |
| 18:50.46 | m0rbid | Ebbs: I just went thru all of this, literally, a few mintues ago. |
| 18:50.52 | m0rbid | reboot and read that article |
| 18:50.55 | jelly | Ebbs: so can you write in /media/sdb1 now? |
| 18:51.05 | Ebbs | jelly, no |
| 18:51.10 | Ebbs | thx to all |
| 18:51.14 | m0rbid | yvw |
| 18:51.20 | Ebbs | iv got to go , dinner |
| 18:51.25 | jelly | np |
| 18:51.58 | m0rbid | 5060! |
| 18:52.09 | jelly | factorial of 5060 is a large number |
| 18:52.11 | m0rbid | first to answer gets NOTHING! well, I think I can spare a thanks. |
| 18:52.28 | m0rbid | channels.debian.org/paste/5060 |
| 18:52.58 | *** join/#debian c123 (n=c123@24-241-23-52.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 18:52.59 | jelly | s/org/net/ |
| 18:53.08 | m0rbid | yerp |
| 18:53.10 | m0rbid | ty |
| 18:53.19 | *** part/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 18:54.05 | jelly | m0rbid: dunno what you're doing, but that broadcast doesn't go with that netmask (and that implied network) |
| 18:54.27 | *** join/#debian stoned (n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 18:54.30 | m0rbid | all they gave me was my IP block, and df gw.\ |
| 18:54.37 | jelly | m0rbid: oh. |
| 18:54.38 | stoned | good monring |
| 18:54.40 | stoned | happy snow day |
| 18:54.42 | stoned | etc. |
| 18:54.42 | m0rbid | I do not remember who told me to place that there. |
| 18:54.43 | petemc | m0rbid: that should be channels.debian.net , and when i had a /29, i had a router that did bridging, which had the first address of my /29 and the rest of the machiens used that as a gateway |
| 18:54.58 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 18:55.14 | jelly | m0rbid: add "network 24.38.64.176" and change broadcast to "24.38.64.183" |
| 18:55.25 | dooglus | I am seeing lots of message in my logs saying "kernel: TKIP: replay detected: STA=00:17:31:d6:96:79 previous TSC 00000003a4f5 received TSC 00000003a4f5". Any idea what that means? |
| 18:55.25 | *** join/#debian priscila__ (n=prinewgi@201.7.45.77) |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | peterS: how's the ice?! |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | dooglus: network problems ? |
| 18:56.11 | jelly | m0rbid: ifupdown should figure those ifself but unfortunately it's buggy (at least in woody and sarge it has been...) |
| 18:56.14 | dooglus | abrotman: the network seems much slower when those messages are appearing, but it's still up |
| 18:56.29 | dooglus | abrotman: I'm using it to talk to you now, for instance. |
| 18:57.05 | rgsteele | Hm. I've got this really weird problem where I'll be doing an rsync between two boxes, and all of a sudden the rsync will hang. If I hope onto the filesystem where the data is rsyncing to and execute an `ls`, I hang there too. Think that's indicative of filesystem issues? |
| 18:57.12 | rgsteele | s/hope/hop/ |
| 18:57.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.24 | *** join/#debian cusco_ (n=Tiago@cpc2-swin6-0-0-cust997.sol2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:57.32 | petemc | rgsteele: look in dmesg or messages |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#debian FelipeSouza (n=felipe__@200.172.104.177) |
| 18:57.54 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 18:58.20 | m0rbid | enouf: I know, but it seems to fix alot of usbstick problems according to that article, or the one that lead to it. |
| 18:58.30 | enouf | m0rbid: it IS however a sign of the windon'ts homogenization that SkyNet is implementing |
| 18:58.45 | FelipeSouza | Using netinst, before started the download, can pause the download, turn off the computer, to continue later? |
| 18:58.48 | jelly | dooglus: maybe there's someone trying to use your network and is inserting packets with same TSC (whatever that might be)? |
| 18:58.52 | m0rbid | enouf / petemc: still not able to ping anything |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | dooglus: i'm just to wait for you to timeout and forget about the whole conversation :) |
| 18:59.16 | petemc | m0rbid: changing the broadcast address wont affect the routing |
| 18:59.20 | abrotman | dooglus: is someone doing wierd stuff on the network ? |
| 18:59.30 | rgsteele | petemc: Wish I could but I rebooted the box. |
| 18:59.41 | rgsteele | petemc: I guess I could peruse syslog |
| 18:59.52 | petemc | .. |
| 19:00.35 | m0rbid | petemc: is the route table incorrect? and if so, care to share how to fix it? |
| 19:00.50 | m0rbid | ... tis the season! |
| 19:01.15 | petemc | m0rbid: i explained to you how i used a /29 when i had it, over and above that, im no help |
| 19:01.17 | jelly | m0rbid: you have been given 8 ip adresses (a /29 range, or a 255.255.255.248 netmask). Your current broadcast address isn't in your ip range (24.38.64.176 - 24.38.64.183) and is incorrent |
| 19:01.31 | jelly | incorrecy |
| 19:01.34 | petemc | jelly: so what difference should that make? |
| 19:01.36 | jelly | argh |
| 19:01.51 | m0rbid | jelly: incorrect, Ive been given 5 |
| 19:01.54 | jelly | petemc: ping might work in one direction, for example |
| 19:02.07 | petemc | jelly: how so? |
| 19:02.16 | jelly | petemc: empiric evidence :-) |
| 19:02.43 | petemc | al |
| 19:02.49 | m0rbid | my range is from 178-182 |
| 19:03.22 | *** join/#debian xammu (n=renfle@p54B32B66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:03.25 | *** join/#debian Owdgit (n=ron@88-109-254-102.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 19:03.40 | m0rbid | 177 is my dw gw |
| 19:03.46 | jelly | m0rbid: sure. 177 is reserved for the router, and 183 is broadcast. The zeroth ip isn't used. That's a total of 8 ip adresses, 5 are usable for normal hosts |
| 19:03.46 | m0rbid | df gw rather |
| 19:04.00 | *** join/#debian lftl (n=spanky@adsl-072-148-023-022.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:04.01 | petemc | m0rbid: i would guess 177 is your first address |
| 19:04.16 | m0rbid | 177 is my gateway, according to RR. |
| 19:04.23 | m0rbid | roadrunner... |
| 19:04.26 | *** join/#debian crono- (n=crono@ti221110a081-2288.bb.online.no) |
| 19:04.33 | jelly | m0rbid: that's what I said! |
| 19:04.46 | *** join/#debian sc13nc3 (i=sc13nc3@201.2.210.77) |
| 19:05.00 | m0rbid | ok, so do I need network address? |
| 19:05.02 | *** join/#debian CLucas_ (n=CLucas@dhcp-9687beff.rescomp.arizona.edu) |
| 19:05.57 | jelly | m0rbid: due to some (historical?) bugs in ifupdown, I suggest explicitely putting a network address too, but I'm not sure if it's really needed in recent releases |
| 19:06.08 | peterS | abrotman: I'm afraid to go outside |
| 19:06.36 | jelly | m0rbid: try only fixing your broadcast to .183 and see if it makes it better |
| 19:06.39 | peterS | yesterday we had some really nice global warming, today it's like Al Gore never existed |
| 19:07.07 | jelly | m0rbid: after changing it, do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
| 19:07.17 | m0rbid | jelly: ok |
| 19:07.36 | *** join/#debian Mr-R (n=rex@p508FBDFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:07.42 | *** part/#debian twagg1 (n=smoke104@72.86.78.233) |
| 19:07.56 | crono- | two boxes connected to the same switch had internal ipv6 addresses and routing set up to with dev eth0, for no obvious reason it stopped routing and re-adding the ip and routing made it work. |
| 19:08.24 | crono- | now i tried doing that with the public ipv6 address to no good, i cant ping the gateway after re-adding.. is there any way i can find out where the error resides? |
| 19:08.39 | jelly | peterS: lucky you, we've had global warming all week long and people are going either crazy or sick with flu. Too warm is apparently good for flu. ;-) |
| 19:08.45 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.161.21.7) |
| 19:08.49 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 19:09.15 | abrotman | peterS: time for ice skating! |
| 19:09.28 | peterS | jelly: lucky me? you call -9°C (16°F) lucky? |
| 19:09.47 | *** join/#debian csy (n=csy@cpc3-harg1-0-0-cust503.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:09.57 | jelly-home | peterS: oh YES. I'd give head right now for some nice negatives. |
| 19:10.05 | peterS | jelly: when yesterday it was 18°C (64°F)? |
| 19:10.06 | crono- | or is that more of an #ipv6 question? |
| 19:10.10 | m0rbid | jelly: still nothing, I even thought it may have been a resolv.conf issue, changed it to my DNS server address, pinged an ip and still got nothing cept destination host unreachable. |
| 19:10.27 | jelly-home | m0rbid: can you ping your gateway? |
| 19:10.35 | m0rbid | nope |
| 19:10.49 | jelly-home | m0rbid: is it turned on? :-) |
| 19:10.53 | peterS | abrotman: I've never ice skated. and I don't know of any good ponds around here anyway. the ones I can think of are on private property |
| 19:11.19 | m0rbid | jelly-home: I can from other boxen though. |
| 19:11.52 | *** join/#debian rawcut (n=irc@APuteaux-151-1-82-52.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:12.08 | jelly-home | peterS: I can't say I'm surprised with the extreme temp.variances, this is what inventor of the internets told of too. |
| 19:12.24 | jelly-home | peterS: THE END IS NIGH |
| 19:12.40 | yungknight | exit |
| 19:13.01 | peterS | jelly-home: if you find a theory caused by _warming_ and then claim that _all weather patterns whatsoever_ support it, well, you'll get a lot of support for the theory |
| 19:13.10 | jelly-home | m0rbid: hm, can you ping outside ips from some of those other boxes? |
| 19:13.29 | m0rbid | jelly-home: they are all online, cept that one box. |
| 19:13.55 | *** join/#debian adlpaf (n=adlpaf@190.37.189.150) |
| 19:14.18 | jelly-home | m0rbid: can you ping the .179 box from some other local box? |
| 19:14.28 | *** join/#debian MasterYoda (i=mnichols@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MasterYoda) |
| 19:14.53 | m0rbid | jelly-home: I have my modem > 5 port switch (used to split the static IPs): Port 1 (ip: 179) going to vonage (also dhcp for office clients) Port 2: going to the debian box. |
| 19:14.56 | *** join/#debian jareth_ (n=dr_stran@ip56521d94.speed.planet.nl) |
| 19:15.21 | m0rbid | I meant to say that Port 1 is 178 |
| 19:15.24 | *** part/#debian priscila__ (n=prinewgi@201.7.45.77) |
| 19:15.27 | m0rbid | deb should be 179 |
| 19:15.36 | *** join/#debian cableroy__ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 19:15.40 | blondie | dont you need a router |
| 19:15.52 | *** join/#debian Petrov (i=Petrov@74.138-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 19:16.04 | *** join/#debian nightfreak_ (n=odeiko@p57A0EDD7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:16.20 | m0rbid | only for NAT. |
| 19:16.30 | *** join/#debian moshii (i=dgp@sverige.freeshell.ORG) |
| 19:16.34 | blondie | um |
| 19:16.39 | blondie | routers do more than nat |
| 19:16.45 | nightfreak_ | how can i keep a script running after closing the terminal? |
| 19:16.51 | blondie | nightfreak_: run it in screen |
| 19:16.53 | blondie | !screen |
| 19:16.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 19:17.05 | m0rbid | I only need it for NAT, and phone. |
| 19:17.06 | peterS | nightfreak_: or use & and the bash 'disown' builtin |
| 19:17.27 | MasterYoda | I have a buddy whose terminal colors stopped working, instead he gets bold and underlined stuff |
| 19:17.29 | moshii | Does anyone know the proper way of restarting this damn tcpserver thing? A dead service has locked a port :/ |
| 19:17.40 | blondie | MasterYoda: using what terminal? |
| 19:17.43 | rgsteele | MasterYoda: Try ls --color |
| 19:17.47 | MasterYoda | blondie: every terminal |
| 19:17.47 | rgsteele | see if that fixes stuff |
| 19:17.53 | jelly-home | m0rbid: so wall <--> modem <--> switch (port 1) ? |
| 19:18.09 | jjazz | I've got a thinpad that serves DHCP, holds some old backups and shares a printer. It's behind a cabinet, and I haven't seen it in a long time. Works perfectly, and I haven't messed with it in years. Today, I need to make a change. When I ssh in, it lets me in just fine, then immediately closes the connection after printing MOTD and last login date. I'd appreciate any ideas as to what's wrong. |
| 19:18.15 | blondie | MasterYoda: what does "echo $TERM" say? |
| 19:18.18 | MasterYoda | rgsteele, blondie: ok, never mind, colors work, it's a vim problem |
| 19:18.21 | *** join/#debian igli (n=igli@82.152.200.229) |
| 19:18.23 | rgsteele | Oh, I thought it was a one-time deal. My terminal bugs out sometimes after using make menuconfig and other graphics based terminal stuff |
| 19:18.36 | blondie | MasterYoda: probably $TERM is set wrong |
| 19:19.13 | m0rbid | wall <--> modem <--> switch (port 1: IP=178, goes to vonage router), (port 2:IP=179, goes to debian box.) |
| 19:19.34 | m0rbid | uplink to modem (which cans port 5) |
| 19:19.43 | rgsteele | jjazz: Any chance you can telnet in? |
| 19:19.53 | *** join/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@mac71-1-82-242-194-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:19.55 | jjazz | rgsteele: I tried it, but I'm not running telnet on that box. |
| 19:19.56 | m0rbid | modem doesnt go to port 1, port1 goes to the vonage router. |
| 19:20.08 | *** join/#debian Ron` (n=Ron`_@90.240.190.42) |
| 19:20.10 | MasterYoda | blondie: maybe, his TERM is set for vt100 |
| 19:20.45 | blondie | MasterYoda: try "TERM=dtterm vim" |
| 19:20.45 | rgsteele | jjazz: Hm, I dunno, I have that problem when trying to telnet to the HTTP port on my router, but I think comparing that to your situation is an apples to oranges deal. Plus, I haven't figured out why it does that yet :) |
| 19:20.47 | MasterYoda | blondie: setting it to xterm fixed it, thanks |
| 19:20.53 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 19:20.54 | jelly-home | peterS: not trying to explain every pattern, but I'd expect a harmonic system to show some extreme amplitude after it has been disturbed and is trying to find a new stable point of equilibrium. This is offtopic, however. |
| 19:20.54 | blondie | right |
| 19:20.54 | MasterYoda | blondie: what does dtterm vim do? |
| 19:21.03 | blondie | set it to dtterm |
| 19:21.19 | *** join/#debian nnn (n=asdf@athedsl-281563.otenet.gr) |
| 19:21.23 | abrotman | peterS: you won't need a pond from what i've heard :) |
| 19:21.29 | jjazz | rgsteele: I ssh'd in just fine 2 weeks ago and have made no changes in a couple years, so I'm mystified. Perhaps some log filled the drive. Would a full drive cause this kind of behavior? |
| 19:21.53 | rgsteele | jjazz: No, you should still be able to ssh in. |
| 19:22.13 | peterS | abrotman: well, in order to ice skate you need ice. so far the ground and the sky look pretty ice-free |
| 19:22.19 | MasterYoda | blondie: oh ok |
| 19:22.22 | peterS | cold, yes, very cold, but dry |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | peterS: i thought oyu guys were getting an ice storm ? |
| 19:22.36 | abrotman | or are you too far south ? |
| 19:22.43 | peterS | maybe we are, but if so, all we've got so far is the 16 degree temperature |
| 19:22.49 | rgsteele | jjazz: Plus, the logs are most likely stored on /var anyways... wouldn't affect / |
| 19:22.59 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 19:23.09 | abrotman | though i thought they were supposed to get ice in oklahoma city |
| 19:23.25 | jjazz | rgsteele: Looks like I'll be moving furniture when I get home. |
| 19:23.30 | enouf | peterS: blame the canadians |
| 19:23.31 | rgsteele | jjazz: Can you nmap it, see if any other ports are open? |
| 19:23.35 | peterS | enouf: I always blame the canadians |
| 19:23.37 | abrotman | http://www.weather.com/newscenter/stormwatch/?from=wxcenter_news .. peterS .. i guess you lucked out |
| 19:23.48 | jjazz | rgsteele: 22, 53, 111, 113 and 676 |
| 19:23.49 | abrotman | you're apparently too far north :) |
| 19:23.59 | jelly-home | jjazz: which distro is on it? sarge? woody? |
| 19:24.04 | jjazz | jelly-home: sarge |
| 19:24.17 | jelly-home | jjazz: didi you have password expiry set by any chance? |
| 19:24.24 | enouf | somekinda stinkin huge AIR hole in the middle ogf the country's border |
| 19:24.27 | jjazz | jelly-home: No, and I'm sshing in with an ssh key |
| 19:24.27 | m0rbid | I do not know what else to do here. |
| 19:24.30 | peterS | abrotman: ah yeah, wichita is just over the line in the "arctic air mass in place" part of that map |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | peterS: woohoo .. i guess :) |
| 19:24.47 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 19:24.47 | rgsteele | jelly-home: Then he wouldn't be able to authenticate at all |
| 19:24.49 | peterS | abrotman: yeah if the map is accurate, we missed it by about 40 miles |
| 19:24.50 | jjazz | Maybe I should try logging in with a password. |
| 19:24.56 | jelly-home | jjazz: does it close the connection or just hang there? |
| 19:24.57 | rgsteele | jelly-home: apparently, he can get in, but then gets booted |
| 19:25.14 | enouf | unfortuantely .. it usually starts drifiting over to me from you peterS .. |
| 19:25.16 | jjazz | jelly-home: I get in, motd gets printed, last login date printed, then connex closed. |
| 19:26.01 | jelly-home | jjazz: hmm. Tried logging in without a tty? (note that you won't get a prompt but should be able to type commands in) |
| 19:26.26 | jjazz | jelly-home: I'm not sure how to do that. Is that just an ssh option? |
| 19:26.32 | rgsteele | jjazz: Yeah |
| 19:26.34 | jelly-home | jjazz: yes. -T afair |
| 19:26.36 | *** part/#debian MasterYoda (i=mnichols@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MasterYoda) |
| 19:26.43 | *** join/#debian cableroy__ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 19:27.01 | jelly-home | not that I expect it to work... |
| 19:27.25 | jjazz | jelly-home: I'm in. |
| 19:27.35 | jjazz | weird. |
| 19:27.41 | jelly-home | jjazz ooh, does eg. whoami or ls work? |
| 19:27.42 | *** join/#debian TolstoyInlove (n=TolstoyI@82.115.4.97) |
| 19:27.52 | peterS | enouf: wait where are you? |
| 19:27.54 | jjazz | jelly-home: ls works |
| 19:27.55 | rgsteele | jjazz: I'd check the logs, see if they noticed anything weird |
| 19:28.00 | jjazz | jelly-home: whoami yields -bash: line 5: /usr/bin/whoami: Input/output error |
| 19:28.03 | rgsteele | jjazz: Specifically, auth.log and syslog |
| 19:28.38 | jelly-home | jjazz sweet. search for any system resources being eaten up, memory, ttys... |
| 19:28.46 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 19:29.01 | jjazz | jelly-home: I can't get root |
| 19:29.37 | jelly-home | jjazz: can you ssh directly as root? |
| 19:30.16 | jjazz | jelly-home: No, but I think that's by my design. |
| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | jjazz does the user you're currently logged on have any leftover processes? |
| 19:31.08 | *** join/#debian xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 19:31.17 | jelly-home | jjazz: maybe you can kill them off and log on normally |
| 19:31.19 | jjazz | jelly-home: ps won't run. I get -bash: line 5: /bin/ps: Input/output erro |
| 19:31.54 | jelly-home | jjazz hmm, sounds like problems with filesystem/hard drive, but let's not be hasty |
| 19:31.55 | *** join/#debian Givade (n=Givade@dslb-082-083-038-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:31.58 | jelly-home | dmesg? |
| 19:32.07 | jjazz | jelly-home: error |
| 19:32.18 | abrotman | peterS: total bummer .. you could have had off school .. erm .. wait .. tomorrow is saturday |
| 19:32.32 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 19:32.37 | peterS | abrotman: yeah and after that is sunday and after that is martin luther king day |
| 19:32.47 | *** join/#debian futex (n=futex@ADijon-258-1-64-95.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:32.48 | jjazz | jelly-home: It seems like bash builtins work, but that's it. |
| 19:32.53 | pickcoder | jjazz: is /proc mounted |
| 19:32.57 | abrotman | peterS: crappy weekend to have to spend the whole thing restringing electric lines :) |
| 19:33.01 | jjazz | pickcoder: yep |
| 19:33.18 | peterS | abrotman: I _am_ pondering whether to go out tonight. I should go help teach a dance class 8 miles away but that is 8 miles pedaling against a 14 knot wind in 16F weather, which who knows, might be colder by evening |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | i guess stoned is getting iced |
| 19:33.24 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 19:33.26 | jelly-home | jjazz yeah, that's why I'm thinking harddrive, if you can't access it any more only what's been kept in cache can be accessed. |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | peterS: take a cab ? |
| 19:33.35 | *** join/#debian tw-nym (n=Mokona@seas.mgmt.purdue.edu) |
| 19:33.36 | stoned | o yea |
| 19:33.41 | jjazz | jelly-home: ls gets cached? |
| 19:33.43 | stoned | fucking blows abrotman |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 19:33.51 | stoned | it started last night |
| 19:33.57 | jelly-home | jjazz: everything gets cached! |
| 19:34.00 | stoned | abrotman, huh? |
| 19:34.02 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (n=robert@92.46-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 19:34.12 | stoned | abrotman, wasn't telling you to blow me you dumb tool |
| 19:34.15 | peterS | abrotman: cab service in wichita sucks, so I never even consider it. costs too much and you never know when they'll arrive after you call, sometimes 45 minutes or longer |
| 19:34.17 | jjazz | jelly-home: Ah. ok. |
| 19:34.27 | jelly-home | jjazz: something used /bin/ls when the drive was still working, perhaps |
| 19:34.44 | stoned | abrotman, if I gather this correctly, you're talking about okc weather right now yeah? |
| 19:34.53 | stoned | yeh it blows, been icing/snowing all night |
| 19:34.59 | abrotman | peterS: you'd only be outside for .. what .. 30 minutes? |
| 19:35.08 | jjazz | jelly-home: Dare I reboot it? |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | you dare! |
| 19:35.17 | jjazz | (not that I can do it w/o root) |
| 19:35.18 | jelly-home | jjazz: is it local? |
| 19:35.19 | peterS | abrotman: normally 30 minutes. fighting a 14 knot wind, maybe more like 35 or 40. |
| 19:35.22 | abrotman | probably not a good idea .. but you dare! |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | peterS: probably not a great idea .. can't anyone give you a lift ? |
| 19:35.35 | jjazz | jelly-home: No, it's at home. I'll be home in a few hours. |
| 19:36.01 | pickcoder | ice? snow? what's that? |
| 19:36.01 | peterS | abrotman: not conveniently. it would be more convenient for me just not to show up and for the other instructor to teach alone |
| 19:36.08 | jjazz | jelly-home: I'm just worried it might not come back up. As things stand, it's doing a fine job of serving dhcp and printer services. |
| 19:36.15 | grendal_prime | who is good with glx. opengl type stuff, i had this machine screaming before, now..although it says that direct rendering is working...its damn slow |
| 19:36.21 | jelly-home | jjazz: if dhcp still works, let it be. Might be it overheated a bit and it will be ok. Might be you need a new drive. |
| 19:36.30 | tw-nym | How do I make the default permissions for a new file have user:me:r and a new directory have user:me:rx using acls? I've tried using default and mask, but I can't get it right. |
| 19:36.34 | RvGaTe | Just wondering what the most common way is of replying to an email... if yo reply, you mostly quote the recieved message, and there is a signature added... what is more common, having the signature above or below the quote? |
| 19:36.56 | jjazz | jelly-home: Man, this thing has been running for 8 years. I'll be sad to see it die. |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | peterS: not for the other instructor :) |
| 19:37.04 | m0rbid | geh, Ill mess with this later. |
| 19:37.09 | RvGaTe | having the signature below the quote, just looks wierd for some reason |
| 19:37.09 | jelly-home | jjazz: 8 years is a good run! |
| 19:37.12 | pickcoder | RvGaTe: sigs normally go at the end of the e-mail |
| 19:37.22 | *** join/#debian Naz (n=Nazxul@c-67-164-172-39.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 19:37.28 | jjazz | jelly-home: It's a thinkpad. :) |
| 19:37.37 | RvGaTe | pickcoder, i think that looks really wierd |
| 19:37.37 | pickcoder | top-posting is also bad etiquette |
| 19:37.48 | peterS | abrotman: she already called me to mention she would understand if the weather made me not want to show up. so it really is my choice. my pride will try to make me go, but common sense (and you) will probably try to make me stay home |
| 19:37.51 | jelly-home | jjazz: can you do a cat /proc/mounts |
| 19:37.52 | pickcoder | you reply in-line or at the end of the quote |
| 19:37.57 | jjazz | jelly-home: I can't cat |
| 19:37.59 | pickcoder | with your sig below that |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 19:38.23 | *** join/#debian zugu (n=zugu@194.79.44.109) |
| 19:38.23 | pickcoder | people top-post all the time, though |
| 19:38.23 | jjazz | jelly-home: No wait, that worked. |
| 19:38.43 | pickcoder | makes following a huge discussion a PITA |
| 19:38.54 | Ronin | pickcoder: doesnt mean they should be top posting though |
| 19:39.02 | jjazz | jelly-home: Everything I expect to be mounted is there. |
| 19:39.05 | zugu | hello everyone |
| 19:39.25 | darkyo | hello zugu |
| 19:39.29 | pickcoder | Ronin: I know that, but it's hard to teach a billion users how to properly correspond |
| 19:39.32 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:39.48 | jjazz | pickcoder: I think you need to just make an example of one of them. |
| 19:39.54 | *** join/#debian walthum (i=penguin@gnu-and-linux.org) |
| 19:39.54 | zugu | I want to switch to Debian tonight; I decided to install etch; should I use a daily built image, or the rc1 image? |
| 19:40.13 | peterS | abrotman: huh - guess what started 90 seconds ago here? a thin dusting of snow, I can't see it come down, I only hear it hitting drainpipes and see it on the sidewalk. that just might make my decision for me, if it gets much thicker than it is now |
| 19:40.15 | rsk | zugu: daily |
| 19:40.37 | pickcoder | Ronin: that's true |
| 19:40.44 | *** join/#debian anibal (n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal) |
| 19:40.46 | *** join/#debian stoned (n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 19:40.54 | zugu | rsk, it's just that I'm a little bit overwhelmed by the errata for the i386 architecture |
| 19:41.11 | rgsteele | We can't bash Microsoft though. If it weren't for them, who would we dislike? |
| 19:41.22 | pickcoder | rgsteele: tries to narrow the list down |
| 19:41.24 | rgsteele | Can't have a night without the day, I say. |
| 19:41.27 | Ronin | rgsteele: we're humans, we'd find someone/something to dislike |
| 19:41.33 | Guerin | zugu: the 20070109 daily worked fine for me yesterday |
| 19:41.38 | rsk | zugu: ok i used it today, havent looked at the errata :) |
| 19:41.51 | zugu | thank you, I'll give it a try |
| 19:42.00 | rgsteele | Actually, I don't ever say that. I don't know why I finished that sentence with "I say" |
| 19:42.05 | jelly-home | jjazz: greycat the bash master says: foo=$(< file); echo "$foo" ... can be used to cat /proc/mounts |
| 19:42.19 | jjazz | jelly-home: Actually, it worked when I tried it. |
| 19:42.22 | *** join/#debian sei (n=sei@bzq-88-153-171-218.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 19:42.23 | jelly-home | jjazz: then you can see if the mounts have gone read-only |
| 19:42.29 | abrotman | peterS: you have loud drainpipes :) |
| 19:42.50 | jjazz | jelly-home: /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 19:42.50 | abrotman | peterS: hey .. go if you want .. it's just a long bike at that temperature |
| 19:42.56 | *** join/#debian giavol (n=giavol@87-126-7-52.btc-net.bg) |
| 19:43.02 | *** join/#debian paueas (n=easker@gfxn3.vrac.iastate.edu) |
| 19:43.02 | pickcoder | peterS: sleet? |
| 19:43.03 | rgsteele | Bummer, nothing in syslog about filesystem problems. Guess I'll have to check dmesg the next time rsync hangs. |
| 19:43.04 | peterS | abrotman: that's why I wondered if it was sleet or something. but it looks too white and fine to be sleet, so I'm assuming it's just unusually aggressive snow. but I'm not going outside right now to get a better look (: |
| 19:43.19 | pickcoder | man I wish we'd get winter precip here |
| 19:43.20 | peterS | pickcoder: that was my first thought, but it doesn't _look_ like sleet |
| 19:43.25 | jjazz | rgsteele: Try setting keep alive options |
| 19:43.27 | pickcoder | I haven't seen even ice since 2001 |
| 19:43.34 | *** join/#debian igli (n=igli@82.152.200.229) |
| 19:43.41 | jjazz | rgsteele: Although, I guess rsync shouldn't have that problem. |
| 19:43.42 | jelly-home | jjazz: yeah, the disc has gone away for some reason. Maybe if you have /proc/acpi stuff you can read out the temperature, or even find out about hardware in /sys |
| 19:43.50 | jjazz | jelly-home: Let me check |
| 19:43.58 | rgsteele | jjazz: Yeah, hangs partway through the transfer, not just building the file list |
| 19:44.15 | rgsteele | I wish backports.org had some errata about their packages. |
| 19:44.26 | jelly-home | jjazz: I have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature for example |
| 19:44.29 | rgsteele | Hoping it is an rsync bug |
| 19:44.36 | jjazz | jelly-home: I have no /proc/acpi. What would I be looking for in /proc/sys? |
| 19:45.07 | peterS | jjazz: no, it really is /proc/acpi. if you don't have it, it's because you either don't have ACPI-capable hardware, or you don't have the ACPI kernel modules loaded |
| 19:45.21 | *** join/#debian zugu (n=zugu@194.79.44.109) |
| 19:45.46 | jjazz | peterS: I'm guessing it's the former. It's a pretty old box. |
| 19:45.48 | pickcoder | peterS: it could be mixed.. we get fine snow and sleet together here |
| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | jjazz: there's all sorts of potentially useful stuff in /sys (not /proc/sys), but I wouldn't know where to start |
| 19:45.55 | zugu | I forgot to ask, where can I find mirrors for the daily cd images? |
| 19:46.01 | pickcoder | not much fun to walk in |
| 19:46.20 | peterS | pickcoder: indeed, this stuff doesn't look like much fun to walk in, but I am _not_ going outside to investigate before I have to |
| 19:46.43 | jjazz | jelly-home: ls /sys returns nothing. |
| 19:46.49 | giavol | Hi. Is there a place for archived .jigdo files? |
| 19:46.52 | RvGaTe | is there a shortcut for creating a screenshot ? |
| 19:47.03 | giavol | I need a CD image for woody 3.0r1 |
| 19:47.25 | pickcoder | it's like 70*F here |
| 19:47.27 | jelly-home | jjazz: it's not a 2.6 kernel? cat /proc/version |
| 19:47.27 | pickcoder | and cloudy |
| 19:47.37 | jelly-home | jjazz: /sys is only in 2.6 |
| 19:47.42 | peterS | giavol: good luck with that, I don't know where those can be found now. start at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 19:47.44 | pickcoder | I bet we'll get 4 feet of snow in March this year |
| 19:47.53 | jjazz | jelly-home: Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 |
| 19:48.25 | giavol | peterS, Been there , found nothing :(. I will do a search again though, just to be sure I didn't miss anything. |
| 19:48.27 | jelly-home | jjazz: monkey's gone to heaven |
| 19:48.33 | *** part/#debian zugu (n=zugu@194.79.44.109) |
| 19:48.35 | PupenoR | [OT] Any recomendation on firewall-oriented distros ? Debian-bassed prefered of course! |
| 19:48.40 | peterS | giavol: yeah, google is your friend, I don't know who is keeping woody images nowadays |
| 19:49.04 | giavol | peterS, Nobody, I guess. I just hope somebody is still keeping .jigdo files :-) |
| 19:49.06 | *** join/#debian DevilChaos (n=DevilCha@87.112.31.6.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 19:49.11 | *** join/#debian IoSoLo (n=IoSoLo@87.21.238.233) |
| 19:49.13 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 19:50.18 | rgsteele | PupenoR: I don't think there are any Debian-based distributions specifcally geared towards being firewalls. There are plenty of fine firewall apps, though. |
| 19:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 19:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 19:50.43 | rgsteele | giavol: We have some old jigdo stuff on one of our boxes. |
| 19:50.45 | DevilChaos | got alot further with my wireless car setup via thinkwiki whitch is exellent btw but am still experiencing troubles with wpa_supplicant getting it to work has anyone in here used this before ? |
| 19:50.48 | rgsteele | I think it just takes up space though :) |
| 19:50.49 | *** join/#debian cableroy__ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 19:50.57 | *** join/#debian palandir (n=palandir@p54A9EF82.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:51.09 | PupenoR | rgsteele: yes, I've know many of them (like shorewall), but we were looking for something that would have a nice web interface to set up firewall rules, DHCP leases, etc and that was already done. |
| 19:51.34 | eldowan | stoned: I had chills listening to the 2nd Caprice the first time. |
| 19:51.36 | jjazz | giavol: I might have an old Woody CD I can rip |
| 19:51.44 | *** part/#debian darkyo (n=darkyo@mac71-1-82-242-194-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:51.53 | keith80403 | giavol, Do you need just CD #1 ? |
| 19:52.00 | rgsteele | giavol: Isn't there an archive.debian.org or something that has Woody stuff? |
| 19:52.10 | *** join/#debian AbsentMinded (n=AbsentMi@ool-457ba4b2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:52.31 | rgsteele | Yep, archive.debian.org |
| 19:52.32 | DevilChaos | card |
| 19:52.42 | eldowan | rgsteele: yes, woody was placed in the archives 2 days ago |
| 19:52.54 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 19:53.01 | *** join/#debian lizor (n=liz@c-24-17-245-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:53.04 | *** join/#debian caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-031-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:53.08 | peterS | rgsteele: it does not, however, have woody CD images |
| 19:53.09 | giavol | rgsteele, jjazz, keith80403 : I need woody 3.0r1, binary i386 disk 1. archive.debian.org has all the packages of woody, so probably if I can get hold of a jigdo file, I will have a CD. |
| 19:53.39 | peterS | giavol: you know the other option is just to install from floppy images, which _are_ on archive.debian.org |
| 19:53.51 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly root 38053 Dec 3 2003 woody-i386-1.jigdo |
| 19:53.54 | jelly-home | w00t |
| 19:54.03 | jjazz | nice |
| 19:54.03 | keith80403 | giavol, OK, I have all 7 3.0r1 CD's, let me know if you need it. |
| 19:54.35 | *** join/#debian davi (n=davi@41.Red-217-127-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:54.37 | jelly-home | it's 3.0r2 judging by the directory name though |
| 19:54.51 | *** join/#debian markybob (n=markybob@74.92.146.249) |
| 19:55.02 | abrotman | peterS: go outside and play! |
| 19:55.35 | markybob | abrotman, too cold outside ;) |
| 19:55.47 | abrotman | markybob: it's snowing/sleeting at his place |
| 19:55.53 | markybob | ha! |
| 19:56.03 | peterS | abrotman: what's your phone#, I need to leave a note pinned to my clothing somewhere telling the emergency medical people to call you to complain when they find my frozen corpse |
| 19:56.06 | giavol | keith80403, thank you, but I don't think we live in the same country ;-) I will have to download the stuff from somewhere. |
| 19:56.15 | eldowan | markybob: It's nice, sunny, and ~70 F here... :D |
| 19:56.15 | jelly-home | jjazz: I wonder if cat /var/log/kern.log would work |
| 19:56.29 | jjazz | jelly-home: perm denied |
| 19:56.36 | keith80403 | giavol, OK, good luck. Are you running a server or something that must have Woody? |
| 19:56.52 | j3di | is there a way to change cron so it uses the local time instead of UTC? |
| 19:56.54 | *** join/#debian rogier (n=rogier@115-65-dsl.ipact.nl) |
| 19:56.59 | jelly-home | jjazz: out of luck then. And you can't cat /proc/kmesg because of permissions, either |
| 19:57.02 | peterS | eldowan: that's exactly what it was like _here_ 24 hours ago. now it's 16F with a dusting of sleet on the ground. |
| 19:57.20 | eldowan | peterS: I'm in Houston, TX. Where in the world are you? |
| 19:57.21 | *** join/#debian xsdg (n=xsdg@XSDG-NEW.MIT.EDU) |
| 19:57.28 | peterS | eldowan: due north of you, Wichita KS |
| 19:57.33 | markybob | eldowan, tennessee...very nice. i took a vacation there a long time ago. stayed on a houseboat for a week...it was heaven |
| 19:57.37 | jjazz | jelly-home: Yeah. I guess I'm going to just let that box run until I can setup a replacement. |
| 19:58.12 | jjazz | I wish I could let it run until death, but the unexpected DHCP outage would be bad. |
| 19:58.16 | abrotman | jjazz: wtf did you do to your box ? |
| 19:58.19 | jelly-home | jjazz: yeah, it might not boot if you reboot it. Also, dhcp might stop working after the leases expire |
| 19:58.33 | jjazz | abrotman: Nothing. It just stopped working. It's been running for 8 years straight. |
| 19:58.36 | eldowan | peterS: And I thought it was going to be bad with a low of 38F here on sat night/ sun morn |
| 19:58.45 | jjazz | abrotman: Correction. It works fine, it just won't let me in. |
| 19:58.57 | jjazz | abrotman: Some sort of drive error, it seems. |
| 19:59.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: it worked for 8 years and is now going to retire, it seems |
| 19:59.02 | *** join/#debian lech (n=Lech@adsl-75-21-81-233.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:59.07 | peterS | eldowan: you know the ice storm due to hit Dallas real soon now? apparently we're just on the other side of that, I hope we don't get any serious effects from it, but regardless I'm annoyed at the temperature |
| 19:59.31 | *** join/#debian bier_ (n=bier@p54A5436F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:59.41 | jjazz | jelly-home: I got a new lease from it earlier today. So unless it stopped working in the 5 minutes between getting the lease and my trying to ssh in, it's still serving dhcp just fine. |
| 20:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 712] by debhelper |
| 20:00.02 | eldowan | Yeah, that is supposed to blow this way, and hit late saturday, or maybe early saturday. the low fri is like 63, and the high sat is something like 66. Here's hoping you don't get anything too serious. |
| 20:00.23 | DerJamster | giavol: http://linuxho.utsi.edu/iso/ |
| 20:00.35 | giavol | peterS, keith80403 : I try to help a guy to support a very legacy stuff that runs on multiple small (pentium 133-200) machines which run Woody 3.0r1. The stuff cannot be ported to a higher version, because the programmer who did all this back in 2003 told me it can't be done without programming. And he is not available. And somebody lost the first CD. |
| 20:01.03 | dooglus | abrotman: there's only me on the network, and those TKIP error message appear whenever I download using azureu |
| 20:01.07 | dooglus | s |
| 20:01.16 | peterS | giavol: I hope jelly-home's jigdo file works for you, then |
| 20:01.19 | giavol | peterS, keith80403 : I know the situation is somewhat funny ;-) |
| 20:01.28 | keith80403 | giavol, Well, then you da man - good luck. |
| 20:01.36 | stoned | eldowan, indeed you did. Paganini is the Devil. |
| 20:01.56 | peterS | giavol: no I totally understand. I once wrote an app using Gtk1 and glade-perl, it doesn't look like much fun to port that to gtk2 and glade-2, so I hope I never have to |
| 20:01.57 | dooglus | j3di: cron always uses local time I think |
| 20:02.16 | eldowan | indeed. I was jamming it loud earlier today, and one of the locals almost had a fit. She was so impressed... Thanks a whole hell of a lot for introducing me. :_ |
| 20:02.50 | *** join/#debian ole (n=olemoudi@253.Red-83-43-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:03.00 | jelly-home | giavol: well, here goes nothing: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/3.0r2/woody-i386-1.jigdo |
| 20:03.15 | *** join/#debian dpm (n=dpm@p54A1012F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:03.16 | eldowan | stoned: ^^. That was in the car on the way to work today |
| 20:03.17 | jjazz | We're rooting for you, giavol. |
| 20:03.22 | giavol | DerJamster, I cannot believe my eyes! |
| 20:03.38 | giavol | DerJamster, Thanks a lot. Did you find it with google? |
| 20:04.02 | DerJamster | giavol: yeah. my usual search for when I can't find a file. "index of" "debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso" |
| 20:04.10 | DerJamster | but even then, lotsa results that only show torrents |
| 20:04.21 | markybob | anyone in here remember josh myer of libfaim fame? |
| 20:04.24 | Bhavesh | how can you make Xapps run faster when running them through putty/ssh connections over the internet? |
| 20:04.34 | jjazz | Bhavesh: freenx |
| 20:04.35 | DerJamster | use nx |
| 20:04.49 | Bhavesh | !freenx |
| 20:04.49 | dpkg | well, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 20:04.54 | giavol | DerJamster, Damn, I was so sure there is not a single .iso file left, that I totally ignored searching for one, instead I tried searching for a .jigdo... Once again, thank you a lot. |
| 20:05.13 | Bhavesh | does that run on linux side or windows side? |
| 20:05.20 | *** join/#debian Galga (n=HoneyPot@mbl-65-149-73.dsl.net.pk) |
| 20:05.25 | jjazz | giavol: You might want to make a few copies this time. |
| 20:05.31 | jjazz | Bhavesh: both |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | dooglus: that was some latency |
| 20:05.43 | Bhavesh | ohhh |
| 20:06.38 | pickcoder | giavol: what could possibly require reprogramming from a Woody to Sarge? |
| 20:06.44 | giavol | jjazz: No. I just have to upgrade my searching skills. :-) Making multiple copies is just a waste of space ;-) |
| 20:06.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: what if he was answering for the first time it was asked today? |
| 20:06.52 | DerJamster | giavol: actually, yeah, make lots of backups. 3 (!) google results. two of them are pdf. The other is the site you see. |
| 20:06.54 | Bhavesh | !freenx |
| 20:06.55 | dpkg | somebody said freenx was a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 20:07.01 | jjazz | giavol: Yeah, those blank CDs are spendy! |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: heh |
| 20:07.10 | Bhavesh | can't access that site i guess i have to put it in my apt.sources file |
| 20:07.51 | *** join/#debian weggpod (n=weggpod@ivr94-7-82-245-252-174.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:08.14 | Bhavesh | in putty 'enable compression' would help some would it not? |
| 20:08.22 | jjazz | Bhavesh: sure |
| 20:09.01 | Bhavesh | lemme try that see if i see any difference |
| 20:09.03 | Bhavesh | jjazz: thank you |
| 20:09.26 | js_ | even though i choose 0 spare devices when creating a raid 5 volume i still get a spare.. any idea why? |
| 20:09.31 | jjazz | Bhavesh: np. The url might be old, btw. Google might help you find something newer. |
| 20:09.52 | *** join/#debian putas_vinho_verd (n=BARt-_-S@a213-22-211-153.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:09.54 | pickcoder | js_: are you sure the config was updated? |
| 20:09.59 | putas_vinho_verd | hi |
| 20:10.12 | putas_vinho_verd | any one knows one server for sending sms without gsm modem (only use internet conection) for debian? |
| 20:10.12 | Bhavesh | jjazz: thank you i will look for it |
| 20:10.14 | js_ | pickcoder: i zeroed the superblocks and created a new volume |
| 20:10.27 | Bhavesh | jjazz: this is curiocity questions rather then necessity |
| 20:10.29 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: depends on what you're trying to do. it mostly helps when you run ls -lR / or some other command that dumps loads on stuff on the screen. It helps if you're being charged for every transferred byte. It worsens the responsivity a bit but IMHO not noticeably. |
| 20:10.31 | *** join/#debian e_log (n=silberni@dslb-088-064-141-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:10.33 | pickcoder | js_: I meant the mdadm config file |
| 20:10.34 | *** join/#debian pumpkin0 (n=ram@ip-83-99-19-47.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 20:10.49 | js_ | pickcoder: i think ive spoken to you about this problem a few weeks ago.. ive got new drives now (all sata) and another controller card (the last one was buggy) |
| 20:10.56 | js_ | pickcoder: it just has DEVICE partitions |
| 20:10.57 | giavol | peterS, rgsteele, jjazz, keith80403, jelly-home, DerJamster: Thank you, people. Great help. |
| 20:11.02 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: when running X apps, it usually helps, yeah |
| 20:11.04 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: well right now i am trying to test/learn experiement with what i can do and can not do.. i tried running seamonkey and it was slow |
| 20:11.07 | DerJamster | :> |
| 20:11.21 | rgsteele | giavol: Very welcome. |
| 20:11.26 | *** join/#debian shafire (n=shafire@tor/regular/shafire) |
| 20:11.27 | shafire | hello |
| 20:11.31 | Bhavesh | so i am going to try to enable compression and reconnet and retry the seamonkey see if that helps |
| 20:11.35 | jjazz | Bhavesh: nx provides dramatic speedup |
| 20:11.36 | *** join/#debian _Sketch_ (n=sketch@75-132-59-176.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 20:11.36 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: if the remote app does antialiased fonts, try switching them off. |
| 20:11.38 | shafire | how can i encode the files to UTF8 |
| 20:11.41 | shafire | ?? |
| 20:11.50 | Bhavesh | jjazz: i will go look for it in a bit.. |
| 20:11.52 | peterS | shafire: iconv -t utf8 < oldfile > newfile |
| 20:11.57 | shafire | i mean all files |
| 20:11.58 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: ok i will try that too :) |
| 20:11.59 | Bhavesh | thanks |
| 20:12.00 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 20:12.13 | peterS | 'recode' is intended for this purpose too |
| 20:12.14 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: i suspect nx will be of more help though |
| 20:12.28 | shafire | how can i encode all files to UTF8 EURO |
| 20:12.29 | pickcoder | js_: did you remove all devices and then delete the array? |
| 20:12.53 | jelly-home | shafire: already existing files? |
| 20:12.53 | js_ | pickcoder: yes |
| 20:13.03 | shafire | jelly-home, yes |
| 20:13.07 | __honky | shafire: you don't want to |
| 20:13.11 | shafire | i want |
| 20:13.14 | jelly-home | shafire: how are they encoded now? |
| 20:13.16 | shafire | because i have no öäü |
| 20:13.19 | shafire | in this files |
| 20:13.26 | shafire | and last time it helps |
| 20:13.32 | shafire | but i forgot it how do do that |
| 20:13.35 | shafire | something with locate |
| 20:13.37 | shafire | i think |
| 20:13.44 | jelly-home | shafire: locales? |
| 20:13.50 | *** join/#debian krazykit (n=krazykit@ppp-70-225-128-238.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) |
| 20:13.54 | shafire | yes |
| 20:14.06 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@client122.wireless.units.it) |
| 20:14.09 | shafire | renew_locates or something :S |
| 20:14.24 | karsten | shafire: update-locales |
| 20:14.47 | shafire | -bash: update-locales: command not found |
| 20:14.53 | karsten | shafire: as root |
| 20:15.00 | shafire | i am root |
| 20:15.01 | jjazz | Is there anyway for me to browse into a package's contents via p.d.o without downloading it? |
| 20:15.03 | jelly-home | shafire: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root maybe |
| 20:15.13 | jelly-home | karsten: what does update-locale do? |
| 20:15.13 | js_ | shafire: locale-gen |
| 20:15.15 | karsten | shafire: update-locale. No s. |
| 20:15.17 | shafire | yeah |
| 20:15.19 | shafire | thats it |
| 20:15.26 | karsten | jelly-home: man update-locale |
| 20:15.33 | shafire | thanks |
| 20:15.39 | war | js_: hm |
| 20:15.44 | war | js_: depends how you added the spare |
| 20:15.51 | jelly-home | ooh |
| 20:15.52 | war | js_: normally if you hot-add a drive to an existing array it is a sapre |
| 20:15.53 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p508846DD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:15.54 | js_ | war: i didnt, i never wanted it |
| 20:16.00 | war | js_: what do you want? |
| 20:16.15 | js_ | war: i did mdadm --create /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 --level=5 /dev/sd{f,g,h,i}1 |
| 20:16.27 | war | js_: sec |
| 20:16.29 | js_ | war: i want a raid5 array with 4 active devices |
| 20:16.37 | war | js_: I do sw raid all day past 2-3 weeks |
| 20:16.43 | *** join/#debian Nin_ (n=nin@dslb-088-074-131-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:16.44 | karsten | shafire: There's also iconv whi8ch may be what you were asking about WRT converting file encodings. man iconv. |
| 20:16.45 | war | js_: and it will make 1 spare as it rebuilds |
| 20:16.47 | Nin_ | hi there! |
| 20:16.49 | war | js_: that cmd you stated |
| 20:16.58 | war | js_: it takes a while to make the initial array |
| 20:17.11 | karsten | !sledgehammer |
| 20:17.11 | dpkg | from memory, sledgehammer is You could have a steam train / If you'd just lay down your tracks / You could have an aeroplane flying / If you bring your blue sky back. |
| 20:17.12 | js_ | war: but iirc there should be a progress meter in /dev/mdstat |
| 20:17.17 | war | js_: correect |
| 20:17.21 | js_ | war: i dont have one |
| 20:17.25 | war | js_: when you ran the cmmand did it prompt you to make the array? |
| 20:17.34 | js_ | war: yes |
| 20:18.11 | war | js_: are you still having the problem? |
| 20:18.15 | js_ | war: yes |
| 20:18.29 | js_ | war: unless there isnt supposed to be a progress bar anymore |
| 20:18.30 | war | js_: what kernel what version of mdadm and what does mdadm -D /dev/<your_device> show? |
| 20:18.41 | *** join/#debian rahul (n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net) |
| 20:18.44 | js_ | war: one sec, ill paste it somewhere |
| 20:18.44 | Bhavesh | !hammer |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, hammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail. |
| 20:18.51 | Bhavesh | hahahaha |
| 20:19.19 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@82.201.218.32) |
| 20:19.31 | Bhavesh | seems like enabling compression does help a bit |
| 20:19.34 | karsten | !ehammer |
| 20:19.34 | dpkg | methinks ehammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like an enail. |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-home | !stop |
| 20:19.47 | dpkg | stop is, like, hammertime |
| 20:19.52 | war | js_: also show me the output from your mdadm command |
| 20:20.03 | Bhavesh | does it know about !hammertime? |
| 20:20.34 | karsten | Bhavesh: /msg dpkg to find out. |
| 20:20.41 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 20:20.48 | jelly-home | how do I undo the last change to a factoid? |
| 20:20.59 | karsten | jelly-home: carefully |
| 20:22.06 | Bhavesh | nope it don't |
| 20:22.06 | js_ | war: yeah i included that P: |
| 20:22.06 | war | js_: URL? |
| 20:22.06 | war | rafb.net/paste |
| 20:22.06 | js_ | war: http://rafb.net/p/bMtIpA91.html |
| 20:22.06 | js_ | yep |
| 20:22.07 | *** join/#debian rahul (n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net) |
| 20:22.14 | war | js_: oh lol |
| 20:22.20 | war | js_: you still have a shit drive in the array |
| 20:22.30 | war | but |
| 20:22.30 | js_ | war: what? |
| 20:22.36 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.38 | war | thats weird |
| 20:22.40 | js_ | yeah i know |
| 20:22.44 | js_ | all the drives are brand new |
| 20:22.59 | war | # mdadm --create /dev/.static/dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 --level=5 /dev/sd{f,g,h,i}1 |
| 20:23.03 | war | why are you using /dev.static |
| 20:23.05 | war | and not udev? |
| 20:23.06 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.08 | pickcoder | hrm.. why does one of the devices already contain a f/s? |
| 20:23.08 | *** part/#debian telmich (i=telmich@gpm/telmich) |
| 20:23.10 | js_ | because /dev/md0 doesnt exist |
| 20:23.15 | js_ | until the md device is creatd |
| 20:23.17 | war | js_: it exists when you assemble the array |
| 20:23.19 | shafire | what mailserver is easy to configure? (open-relay)? |
| 20:23.26 | war | js_: do you have data on the array currently? |
| 20:23.30 | war | js_: or ASSEMBLED |
| 20:23.33 | markybob | shafire, you want it to be an open relay? is that what you just said? |
| 20:23.34 | war | js_: assmble != create |
| 20:23.37 | pickcoder | you should create the ext3 filesystem after the raid is setup. That way you can specify striding |
| 20:23.42 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@82.201.218.32) |
| 20:23.46 | war | ext3 is the worst performing filesystem |
| 20:23.48 | war | definitely use XFS |
| 20:23.49 | js_ | war: you mean that i sohuld be able to use /dev/md0? because i cant |
| 20:23.50 | war | for raid |
| 20:23.51 | shafire | markybob, no. i want to be NOT a open-relay |
| 20:23.54 | war | js_: yes sir |
| 20:24.01 | markybob | shafire, that sounds more sane :) use postfix |
| 20:24.04 | js_ | then something is messed up with my system |
| 20:24.07 | jelly-home | war: and it's rather safe. |
| 20:24.11 | js_ | pickcoder: i used one of the drives temporary, yeah |
| 20:24.15 | *** join/#debian rahul (n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net) |
| 20:24.18 | war | js_: hmm |
| 20:24.18 | shafire | i installed debian 1h ago markybob |
| 20:24.25 | js_ | i know i should create the filesystem on the md device |
| 20:24.26 | shafire | i saw there something like exim4 installed |
| 20:24.27 | shafire | ... |
| 20:24.27 | war | js_ mind if I query you ? |
| 20:24.32 | shafire | must i delete it before? |
| 20:24.35 | markybob | shafire, then go read the install manual :) or apt-get install postfix |
| 20:24.36 | js_ | war: go ahead |
| 20:25.10 | shafire | markybob, an how can i safe my postfix, that it isn't a openrelay? |
| 20:25.21 | putas_vinho_verd | any one knows one server for sending sms without gsm modem (only use internet conection) for debian? |
| 20:25.48 | markybob | shafire, you read the postfix docs. google it |
| 20:25.51 | shafire | putas_vinho_verd, i am interessting too |
| 20:25.56 | markybob | Shadur, http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/ |
| 20:26.01 | pickcoder | shafire: postfix is not an open relay by default |
| 20:26.17 | pickcoder | shafire: please read the basic configuration guide on postfix.org |
| 20:26.22 | shafire | okay |
| 20:26.37 | shafire | i want to have my own mailserver at home |
| 20:26.38 | markybob | shafire, that link was for you |
| 20:26.41 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL2 (n=ahrasyl@AOrleans-151-1-123-1.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:26.49 | shafire | yes thanks markybob |
| 20:26.53 | shafire | but i have installed etch |
| 20:26.59 | shafire | with encrypted filesystem |
| 20:27.08 | shafire | and set already ndiswrapper for wlan up |
| 20:27.09 | shafire | :) |
| 20:27.14 | jelly-home | ok then, how do I make a factoid display exactly what I tell it to, no "X is Y" or "[X] Y" or whatnot, but just Y? |
| 20:27.20 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 20:27.55 | peterS | jelly-home: prepend <reply> |
| 20:28.05 | jelly-home | peterS: thanks |
| 20:28.12 | peterS | jelly-home: I think this is a misfeature of the bot code, it should just behave that way for _all_ factoids |
| 20:29.09 | pickcoder | misfeature? |
| 20:29.14 | *** join/#debian MrMagic (n=alien@unix.e-hybrid.com) |
| 20:29.15 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:29.18 | jelly-home | peterS: well, it was intentionally done that way, so yes, a misfeature. But not a bug. |
| 20:29.23 | pickcoder | is that like an uncertain certainty? |
| 20:29.26 | js_ | war: did you fall asleep? :p |
| 20:29.39 | war | I been msging you |
| 20:29.43 | war | you must have me on ignore |
| 20:29.50 | js_ | i dont have anybody on ignore |
| 20:29.52 | peterS | pickcoder: a misfeature is a feature which was intentional but is regarded by me as undesirable |
| 20:30.00 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:30.06 | *** join/#debian DukeDrake (i=user@port-212-202-71-172.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 20:30.07 | war | --- You're inviting js_ to #js_ (anthony.freenode.net) <- also invited you |
| 20:30.15 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 20:30.15 | blondie | freenode blocks private messages from non-identified users |
| 20:30.25 | DevilChaos | !ask |
| 20:30.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:30.53 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@83-65-244-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 20:30.58 | *** join/#debian roue (n=roue@afterthought.ACS.Carleton.edu) |
| 20:31.07 | *** join/#debian matt_o (n=jb@67.182.197.229) |
| 20:31.10 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@82.201.218.32) |
| 20:31.12 | DukeDrake | I just installed X for the first time and set it to an incorrect resolution, which not only messed up X, but also my terminals... |
| 20:31.17 | DukeDrake | So |
| 20:31.39 | DukeDrake | I'd like to no the easiest was, not to start X when I boot the next time |
| 20:31.47 | DukeDrake | no=know |
| 20:31.50 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (n=CyberGab@g148219.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 20:31.58 | rsk | disable gdm |
| 20:32.21 | markybob | DukeDrake, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 20:32.22 | DukeDrake | I'm still a linux newbie |
| 20:32.28 | peterS | DukeDrake: that or just fix X with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' for etch) |
| 20:32.53 | rahul | uncertain insanity! |
| 20:32.57 | rahul | wee |
| 20:33.07 | DukeDrake | peterS: thanx! =D |
| 20:33.20 | DukeDrake | markybob: thanx! |
| 20:33.22 | *** part/#debian malex (n=malex@pdpc/supporter/student/malex) |
| 20:33.35 | *** join/#debian jor (n=jor@ip51cfee06.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:34.57 | *** join/#debian krazykit (n=krazykit@ppp-70-225-128-238.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) |
| 20:34.58 | *** part/#debian DevilChaos (n=DevilCha@87.112.31.6.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 20:34.59 | *** join/#debian muh2000_ (n=muh2000@p57A58063.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:35.00 | *** join/#debian iLLf8d (n=neener@user-0can17p.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 20:36.01 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-197-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:37.46 | *** join/#debian csy- (n=csy@cpc3-harg1-0-0-cust503.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:38.19 | *** join/#debian Bulldog (n=Bulldog@011.254.dsl.concepts.nl) |
| 20:38.47 | *** join/#debian blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-29-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 20:38.54 | DukeDrake | markybob: didn't work |
| 20:39.18 | blahdeblah | Morning all. Is there a way i can get a USB drive to automount in a fixed location when i connect it under etch? |
| 20:39.23 | DukeDrake | I renamed /etc/X11/XF86Config to NO .... let's see if this works =) |
| 20:40.44 | pipeline | blahdeblah: automount daemon, amd |
| 20:41.08 | pipeline | blahdeblah: or autofs, the kernel-mode equivalent |
| 20:41.14 | rgsteele | Hm, it'd be nice if backports.org had some changelog information about the stuff they port. |
| 20:41.36 | blahdeblah | pipeline: I've used autofs before - it only seems to mount on *access*; i want to mount on *connect*. |
| 20:41.51 | blahdeblah | Isn't there some hotplug system which integrates with fstab? |
| 20:42.47 | DukeDrake | hooray =) |
| 20:43.17 | Bhavesh | i am liking NX server .. |
| 20:43.29 | Bhavesh | well i have not used it yet, but i am buyin ginto the PR of it all |
| 20:44.26 | *** part/#debian giavol (n=giavol@87-126-7-52.btc-net.bg) |
| 20:44.29 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-52-77.37-151.net24.it) |
| 20:44.58 | *** join/#debian JoshJ (n=lappy@r38h107.res.gatech.edu) |
| 20:45.46 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p508855AA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:46.21 | DukeDrake | ok.. I got xdm |
| 20:46.29 | Bogus8 | OT, is Ubuntu based off of another distro (like knoppix is) or is it its own essentially? |
| 20:46.42 | JoshJ | Bogus8; it's based off debian |
| 20:47.13 | Bogus8 | JoshJ: cool, I tried looking on their page and the only clue I found was that it used deb packaging |
| 20:47.31 | JoshJ | Bogus8: there's a wiki page somewhere that says it's based off debian, and whole articles on that |
| 20:47.33 | Bogus8 | distro watch is kind of misleading on how popular debian is then |
| 20:47.40 | *** part/#debian tasata (n=tasata@dsl-hpo-feebfb00-54.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:47.44 | JoshJ | So, I'm fairly new to debian (coming from ubuntu), and I'm curious- if I install etch testing now, would it become etch stable when etch is released (through apt-get update) or would i be <future> testing? |
| 20:48.02 | biz | ALSA question: i've just installed alsa-base, alsa-utils, all kernel modules for my card (emu10k1) are loaded, /dev/dsp is there, /dev/snd/ and its content is there, /proc/asound/card0 is available and everythings fine. now the problem: i'm unable to use a mixer. doesn't matter if its alsamixer or amixer, i always get: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device. however, /dev/snd/controlC0 is up there. any ideas? |
| 20:48.03 | Bogus8 | I'm curious of that also, since I'm running testing |
| 20:48.11 | sepski | JoshH, if your sources.list say etch it would be stable. if it say testing it would become future testing |
| 20:48.24 | *** join/#debian roler (n=a@pool-71-109-215-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:48.26 | *** join/#debian DarkLinux (i=DarkLinu@82.114.170.137) |
| 20:48.26 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 20:48.31 | JoshJ | sepski: which would it be if i were to install debian etch testing now? |
| 20:48.44 | JoshJ | i'd rather not do a whole sources.list overhaul because that's a good way to break things in my experience |
| 20:48.51 | DarkLinux | hey any one can tell how to make adeb package |
| 20:49.00 | roler | Is there an ISO image available for debian so it can install on an SATA drive? |
| 20:49.09 | *** join/#debian bier_ (n=bier@p54A54CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:49.17 | peterS | roler: etch should work, see /topic |
| 20:49.18 | DarkLinux | roler |
| 20:49.18 | minerale | I just installed the packported package from the mono C sharp compiler, I compile a file but I get an exe and I can't seem to be able to sexecute it |
| 20:49.39 | DarkLinux | u should define it pata at installation then upgrade it scsi |
| 20:49.45 | DarkLinux | the new kernel will |
| 20:49.47 | sepski | JoshH, dont know, can't you just check after you install :) |
| 20:49.48 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@p57A48901.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:49.55 | sepski | probably testing |
| 20:49.57 | Bogus8 | I think what JoshJ is asking, at least what I'm wondering is... if you switch to stable when etch goes stable will it essentially be the same as if one were to install a new etch stable install? |
| 20:49.58 | roler | DarkLinux; but it says it can't find partionable media |
| 20:50.09 | JoshJ | sepski:... bah, nvm, Bogus8 phrased it the way i was looking for |
| 20:50.12 | DarkLinux | thats why u should make pata at the bios |
| 20:50.13 | blahdeblah | JoshJ: I installed my machine recently and it put "etch" in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:50.18 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@p54A54CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:50.23 | *** join/#debian mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-92-106.no.no.cox.net) |
| 20:50.27 | JoshJ | basically i know if you switch sources it can cause problems down the road |
| 20:50.29 | blahdeblah | Therefore, it would become stable rather than continuing to be testing... |
| 20:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 20:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 20:50.39 | JoshJ | ah, good to know |
| 20:50.40 | blahdeblah | JoshJ: not necessarily. |
| 20:50.55 | blahdeblah | (re: the switching sources) |
| 20:50.56 | roler | DarkLinux the problem is I don't have direct access to the server... |
| 20:50.56 | DarkLinux | roler u can do so in the bios |
| 20:50.57 | JoshJ | i may just install it this weekend instead of waiting for the full release |
| 20:51.04 | Bogus8 | would we essentially have the same system as people installing stable? |
| 20:51.06 | DarkLinux | u wanna know how i know that |
| 20:51.10 | JoshJ | blahdeblah : i know it doesn't "have" to, it just "can" |
| 20:51.16 | DarkLinux | roler then u wasted |
| 20:51.29 | DarkLinux | u cant install it unless u have access |
| 20:51.32 | DarkLinux | roler |
| 20:51.33 | DarkLinux | im me |
| 20:51.45 | blahdeblah | JoshJ: Installing Linux *can* break your Windows boot configuration - does that mean you shouldn't do it? :-) |
| 20:51.49 | JoshJ | XD |
| 20:51.56 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 20:52.06 | beardy | !u |
| 20:52.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:52.17 | DarkLinux | roler tell every thing at the beging |
| 20:52.26 | DarkLinux | what the problem |
| 20:52.34 | JoshJ | i need to boot into windows before installing debian so i can clear a ton of crap out and shrink my windows partition down |
| 20:52.43 | Bogus8 | I'm curious also... will I basically alway be running a testing version or will mine evolve into the same stable as new users isntalling stable from go |
| 20:52.47 | DarkLinux | joshJ |
| 20:53.05 | blahdeblah | Bogus8: See answers to JoshJ |
| 20:53.17 | blahdeblah | Bogus8: If you install etch now, it will become stable when etch is released. |
| 20:53.21 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah: I have been reading those... just doesn't seem clear to me... maybe i'm a tard ;) |
| 20:53.27 | shafire | what must i edit, that my ssh client will print öäü too? |
| 20:53.36 | DarkLinux | boot with the windows cd then go console mode then enter fixboot or fixmbr |
| 20:53.43 | DarkLinux | joshJ boot with the windows cd then go console mode then enter fixboot or fixmbr |
| 20:53.44 | Bogus8 | blahdeblah: ok... that was clear, just answers that followed clouded that up ;) |
| 20:53.47 | DarkLinux | roler |
| 20:53.48 | JoshJ | er, why? |
| 20:53.52 | DarkLinux | tell me whats rong |
| 20:54.02 | JoshJ | i'm running ubuntu now and i can boot into windows properly |
| 20:54.06 | DarkLinux | and can one help with deb how can i make them |
| 20:54.20 | DarkLinux | i can but cant put the conf file inside it |
| 20:54.26 | Eulex | !fixmbr |
| 20:54.26 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 20:54.32 | JoshJ | ...wtf? |
| 20:54.36 | DarkLinux | fix master boot recordf |
| 20:54.43 | JoshJ | my mbr is FINE |
| 20:54.51 | JoshJ | what, is debian known for breaking the mbr or something? |
| 20:54.51 | DarkLinux | dpkg can u make deb |
| 20:54.52 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 20:54.58 | JoshJ | is this an elizabot or something? |
| 20:55.06 | DarkLinux | no its just bad luck |
| 20:55.09 | JoshJ | "windows" "oh, is your MBR broken?" |
| 20:55.19 | JoshJ | "my MBR is fine" "here's how to fix your MBR" |
| 20:55.29 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 20:55.37 | biz | how can i create the mixer devices and so on in /dev/snd/ ? |
| 20:55.38 | DarkLinux | can any one build deb s plz |
| 20:55.42 | DarkLinux | com on |
| 20:55.45 | beardy | JoshJ: What are you whineing about? Tell us the problem instead. |
| 20:55.46 | pngwn | sunday came early this week |
| 20:55.52 | JoshJ | i... don't have a problem |
| 20:55.59 | Bogus8 | JoshJ: oddly enough those telling you to pay attention and read aren't doing so themselves :D |
| 20:56.04 | JoshJ | i just made an offhand comment: "i need to boot into windows before installing debian so i can clear a ton of crap out and shrink my windows partition down" |
| 20:56.06 | blahdeblah | DarkLinux: Read the NMG ("New Maintainer's Guide") |
| 20:56.08 | Bhavesh | holymolly nxserver/client is AWesome! |
| 20:56.09 | blahdeblah | !nmg |
| 20:56.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 20:56.10 | beardy | Be quiet and let those who have speak instead then. |
| 20:56.13 | peterS | biz: shouldn't have to, install the 'alsa-base' package and they should be created for you |
| 20:56.14 | DarkLinux | i read it |
| 20:56.29 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> i read it but how can i put the conf file |
| 20:56.31 | Eulex | JoshJ, sorry for that, read your original question now. yes, the sources.list will state 'etch', thus you won't accidently upgrade to etch+1 |
| 20:56.39 | JoshJ | awesome |
| 20:56.46 | JoshJ | i may just install it this weekend rather than wait on debian stable |
| 20:56.51 | blahdeblah | DarkLinux: I don't understand your question |
| 20:56.58 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> the conf man |
| 20:57.17 | DarkLinux | when i make the package debhelper it doesnt include it |
| 20:57.18 | biz | peterS: yes they are.. any ideas regarding my question above about the emu10k1 mixer problem? |
| 20:57.25 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> how can i do that |
| 20:57.31 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thmss@AAmiens-153-1-3-77.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:57.49 | blahdeblah | DarkLinux: stop chanting my name - it won't get you a better answer. :-) |
| 20:57.55 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.233.82) |
| 20:58.01 | peterS | biz: there are 2 drivers for your card, you loaded the wrong one. 'emu10k1' is not alsa, 'snd-emu10k1' is |
| 20:58.24 | blahdeblah | DarkLinux: I don't understand your problem enough to answer sensibly. |
| 20:58.36 | biz | peterS: sorry, i just mistyped this, sure its snd-emu10k1 |
| 20:58.44 | Eulex | JoshJ, I know because I converted a guy to debian etch a few weeks ago (and installed etch as it's quite close to being stable now) and specifically checked for whether the sources.list would state 'etch' or 'testing' |
| 20:58.46 | *** join/#debian killown (n=killown@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 20:58.48 | killown | do anyone know any program simulator effects guitar? |
| 20:58.51 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> ok let me be clear |
| 20:58.56 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 20:59.01 | JoshJ | ty Eulex and everyone else |
| 20:59.03 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> samba has smb.conf |
| 20:59.11 | jjazz | Bhavesh: Glad you like it |
| 20:59.13 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah>squid has squid.conf |
| 20:59.17 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> right |
| 20:59.31 | blahdeblah | killown: apt-cache search guitar - i can't remember the name, but there are one or two. |
| 20:59.33 | peterS | biz: don't know then. run 'dmesg | tail -20' to see the kernel log, often this sort of problem shows some evidence there |
| 20:59.55 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> are u with me |
| 20:59.57 | blahdeblah | DarkLinux: You're about to get /ignored... |
| 21:00.08 | *** join/#debian Zarock (n=zarock@APoitiers-153-1-49-108.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:00.09 | DarkLinux | <blahdeblah> dont bother |
| 21:00.29 | *** join/#debian wizzomafizzo (n=wizzo@unaffiliated/wizzomafizzo) |
| 21:00.44 | eldowan | Guerin: Did you see the reply to the bug 406587? the maintenance shell bug you reported last night. |
| 21:00.46 | *** join/#debian TDDPirate (n=Omer_Zak@l85-130-166-149.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 21:01.01 | DarkLinux | hey any one can help with deb packages |
| 21:02.02 | *** part/#debian DarkLinux (i=DarkLinu@82.114.170.137) |
| 21:03.09 | *** join/#debian Gigs (n=Gigs@68.67.202.70) |
| 21:03.21 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 21:03.26 | Gigs | has anyone ever seen RAMDISK: Loading 4620 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^ ... (continues on this way for many lines) |
| 21:03.26 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 21:03.37 | *** join/#debian walthum (i=penguin@gnu-and-linux.org) |
| 21:03.46 | grendal_prime | does agpgart: Detected 8060K stolen memory. mean my machine is only using 8 megs of ram? |
| 21:03.50 | *** join/#debian medc (n=marcos@190.37.138.89) |
| 21:03.52 | grendal_prime | for video? |
| 21:03.54 | Gigs | oh, duh, I just thought about it, it's a spinner thing |
| 21:03.56 | *** join/#debian jair_11 (i=jair@nat/ibm/x-bf5739e4674d1299) |
| 21:04.01 | jair_11 | hello |
| 21:04.04 | TDDPirate | Now that Debian etch is going to be stable, what will be the name of the new testing release? |
| 21:04.13 | asg | TDDPirate: lenny |
| 21:04.32 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: at that moment it does, yes. It might take more for 3D though. |
| 21:04.40 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 21:04.44 | jair_11 | guys how can i get into vnc console 0:0 instead entering on anew one (i.e 5091,5092) |
| 21:04.49 | *** part/#debian Gigs (n=Gigs@68.67.202.70) |
| 21:04.51 | grendal_prime | well the 3d part is what is suckking ass now |
| 21:04.53 | TDDPirate | Who was lenny in "Toy Story"? |
| 21:05.03 | asg | TDDPirate: the binoculars |
| 21:05.15 | blahdeblah | It appears that hotplug is no longer (under etch & udev) the method by which USB devices get mounted. Can anyone tell me what package does USB device mounting? |
| 21:05.18 | TDDPirate | I was under impression that they already run out of all names in "Toy Story". |
| 21:05.26 | blahdeblah | TDDPirate: Not likely. ;-) |
| 21:05.27 | asg | TDDPirate: there's plenty |
| 21:05.44 | blahdeblah | Pity rex got used so early - he was way cool. |
| 21:06.25 | *** join/#debian trajan (n=trajan@AMontpellier-152-1-29-226.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:06.29 | Trewas | lenny is from simpsons anyway. |
| 21:06.42 | grendal_prime | jelly-home: any way of telling it to use like 32, all the time..i though thats what i was doing by configureing X to use 32 megs of ram |
| 21:06.52 | JoshJ | rex was the green dinosaur, jjazz |
| 21:06.53 | blahdeblah | jjazz: The dinosaur! |
| 21:06.54 | *** join/#debian Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166.70.210.102) |
| 21:07.00 | jjazz | JoshJ: No, I mean debian Rex |
| 21:07.03 | grendal_prime | the glx is running very slow now in etch..thats why im confused. |
| 21:07.05 | JoshJ | oh |
| 21:07.09 | blahdeblah | jjazz: Exactly |
| 21:07.13 | TDDPirate | When names from Toy Story run out after all, my suggestion is to use names from the Moomin stories - this is a Finnish stuff, after all. |
| 21:07.16 | grendal_prime | says its running but damn..sure is slow. |
| 21:07.18 | *** join/#debian rw_fenrir (n=rw_fenri@i219-164-209-131.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp) |
| 21:07.24 | blahdeblah | jjazz: It was very early on |
| 21:07.35 | Bhavesh | for now i am connecting to my win2k machine at home from work using RDP, and that machine is connecting to my other linux workstation using nx client that is running nxserver |
| 21:07.41 | Bhavesh | that did not make sense |
| 21:07.53 | jjazz | blahdeblah: I remember bo, ham, potato, etc, but not earlier. What names did I miss? |
| 21:08.24 | *** join/#debian Mythbusters (n=sa@host230-57-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:08.27 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 21:08.33 | *** join/#debian tsurko (n=tsurko@vpn-pppoe-213-240-242-237.megalan.bg) |
| 21:08.39 | jjazz | Bhavesh: Why the extra hop? Why not go from work box to home linux box? |
| 21:09.03 | blahdeblah | jjazz: GIYF |
| 21:09.03 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: You're using an integrated graphic chipset, right? I _think_ X will take what it needs when it needs it. |
| 21:09.05 | jair | hello guys |
| 21:09.28 | sepski | !codenames |
| 21:09.28 | dpkg | [codenames] buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 21:09.37 | craigevil | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-oldcodenames |
| 21:09.53 | *** join/#debian scruffy (n=scrfy@64.139.226.90) |
| 21:09.59 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: which card do you have? |
| 21:10.08 | blahdeblah | jjazz: Or, alternatively, dpkg is your friend. :-) |
| 21:10.10 | jjazz | for some reason, I have little memory of slink |
| 21:10.12 | *** join/#debian quitte (n=quitte@stgt-d9beb436.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 21:10.35 | grendal_prime | jelly-home: right. well i dont understand why the info utillity reports that direct rendering is working, (hardware) yet it displays stuff, like an atari 2600 |
| 21:10.42 | grendal_prime | its an intel |
| 21:10.45 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 21:10.52 | *** part/#debian Nin_ (n=nin@dslb-088-074-131-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:11.42 | grendal_prime | Intel(R) 845G 20050225 |
| 21:11.46 | JoshJ | dude, i'd love for my laptop to be able to display stuff in atari2600 mode |
| 21:11.52 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: ah, glxinfo says ..."direct rendering: Yes"... and something like ..."OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20050225"... ? |
| 21:12.00 | grendal_prime | yep |
| 21:12.06 | JoshJ | hit a switch, pong mode GO |
| 21:12.39 | grendal_prime | bummer is, when i was running sarge on this thing...it screamed. |
| 21:12.44 | grendal_prime | no problems whatsoever |
| 21:12.54 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: and how much fps on glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark ? |
| 21:13.00 | grendal_prime | im running it in 16 bit mode. |
| 21:13.12 | *** join/#debian damog (i=damog@18.199.232.72.reverse.layeredtech.com) |
| 21:13.16 | grendal_prime | glxgears does not give me fps |
| 21:13.20 | grendal_prime | well hold on |
| 21:13.39 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: sure it does, if you acknowledge that that tool is not a benchmark ;-) |
| 21:14.01 | JoshJ | gotta let it run 5 seconds |
| 21:14.07 | *** join/#debian hid3 (n=hide@clt-84-32-207-1.vkt.lt) |
| 21:14.51 | *** part/#debian TDDPirate (n=Omer_Zak@l85-130-166-149.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 21:15.20 | JoshJ | that's cool though |
| 21:15.25 | grendal_prime | 2814 frames in 5.0 seconds = 562.719 FPS |
| 21:15.43 | jair | how can I access to the vnc console 0:0 instead open a new session |
| 21:15.57 | grendal_prime | jair: install x11vnc |
| 21:15.58 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: I think my 915GM really wants 32bit color for OpenGL to get any decent speed, maybe it's the same with 845G |
| 21:16.06 | Bhavesh | jjazz: well i didn't want to install that client on my work computer without looking at what it does |
| 21:16.08 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I've purchased a mainboard which supports sata raid. I've connected 4 sata devices and created raid1 groups in raid-bios. However, when I boot debian, it sees separate 4 disks (sda, sdb, sdc, sdd). What's wrong? Do I have to do something more to get them recognized as raid array? |
| 21:16.08 | jair | grendal_prime: I installed that one |
| 21:16.14 | grendal_prime | fire it up |
| 21:16.18 | jjazz | Bhavesh: fair enough |
| 21:16.26 | grendal_prime | x11vnc -display :0 |
| 21:16.26 | jair | grendal_prime: but once you close the session you can not go back remotely |
| 21:16.28 | Bhavesh | jjazz: i can connect straight to my workstation at home i have portfw the router to hit my ws at a different port |
| 21:16.30 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-247-171-48.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 21:16.40 | war | hid3: bios raid = DMRAID |
| 21:16.41 | grendal_prime | x11vnc -forever -display :0 |
| 21:16.41 | Bhavesh | that is how i was connecting using xming Xserver/putty and trying to run seamonkey |
| 21:16.45 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 21:16.47 | war | hid3: also not in kernel and slower than SW raid |
| 21:16.49 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 21:16.50 | war | hid3: use Linux SW RAID |
| 21:17.04 | grendal_prime | jair: the man file will explain that...but thats the command you wan |
| 21:17.11 | grendal_prime | 2814 frames in 5.0 seconds = 562.719 FPS |
| 21:17.13 | war | hid3: usin the bios raid means you have to patch kernel with dmapper patch AND it reverse-engineers the meta-data on the bios raid and has to do all that to do raid |
| 21:17.20 | war | hid3: or, use sw riad. |
| 21:17.22 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: even in 32bit? |
| 21:17.23 | hid3 | why to use software if I have a real thing? Is it really slower? |
| 21:17.34 | grendal_prime | umm hold on..i dont think i have 32 bit |
| 21:17.38 | grendal_prime | i think i can get 24 |
| 21:17.40 | grendal_prime | i think |
| 21:17.46 | hid3 | dammit, I didn't know it's so bad.. |
| 21:17.49 | grendal_prime | hold on ill have to restart x |
| 21:18.23 | war | hid3: the real thing is $1000+ |
| 21:18.30 | war | hid3: bios raid is 'fake raid' |
| 21:18.39 | war | hid3: the only 'real' thing is a 3ware or areca card |
| 21:19.02 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@host104-49-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:19.11 | Roey | war: funny how 3ware breaks |
| 21:19.13 | war | hid3: read http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 21:19.19 | hid3 | I see.. Thanks.. Will try to set up SW raid instead |
| 21:19.20 | hid3 | thanks |
| 21:19.22 | war | hid3: np. |
| 21:19.27 | war | Roey: ? |
| 21:19.29 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: that should do. |
| 21:19.41 | cafuego_ | hid3: It's not that bad, but the problem with bios raid is that you can't use the same disks in a new machine without probably losing the data. Linux software raid can just be moved and used. (And is usually faster too). |
| 21:19.47 | jelly-home | war: or a vortex, or... |
| 21:19.56 | *** join/#debian pythos (i=lanebob@unaffiliated/pythos) |
| 21:19.57 | Roey | war: I was thinknig of using it but then I keep realizing it's a single point of failure. |
| 21:20.03 | war | Roey: that is why I use SW raid |
| 21:20.09 | *** join/#debian aie (n=1107@ip70-160-228-135.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 21:20.09 | Roey | war: same here! |
| 21:20.16 | war | Roey: also I get 213MB/s read and 195MB/s writes |
| 21:20.18 | war | Roey: I couldn't be happier |
| 21:20.44 | jelly-home | does your softraid do automatic reread of disks weekly, and rechecking of parity? |
| 21:21.05 | war | jello: I used to do that |
| 21:21.08 | war | but not anymore |
| 21:21.10 | *** join/#debian yumigator (n=yumigato@pool-72-81-113-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:21.14 | war | jelly* rather |
| 21:21.16 | Roey | war: thank you, I will ask you for help when I need to do this again :) |
| 21:21.16 | *** part/#debian yumigator (n=yumigato@pool-72-81-113-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:21.28 | war | Roey: I use dual raptor 74gb raid1 and quad raptor 150 raid5 |
| 21:21.32 | jelly-home | war: yeah, like who needs data integrity ;-) |
| 21:21.35 | Roey | war: I'm planning on building a backup server using dirvish and softraid |
| 21:21.42 | pythos | Hi, Ive got a problem, was hopeing for some help: Exim to exim4 migration on a Sarge box. gets to the point of installing, and dies. Here is what dpkg -l| grep exim says: rc exim 3.36-16 An MTA (Mail Transport Agent), iU exim4 4.50-8sarge2 metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installati, iU exim4-base 4.50-8sarge2 support files for all exim MTA (v4) packages, iF exim4-config 4.50-8sarge2 configuration for the |
| 21:21.45 | war | jelly-home: never had a problem with it before |
| 21:21.46 | pythos | suggests? |
| 21:21.49 | Roey | war: hey I also use a dual-74GB raptor setup! |
| 21:21.50 | war | Roey: cool |
| 21:21.53 | cafuego_ | jelly-home: That's what cron and mdadm are for :-) |
| 21:21.55 | *** join/#debian shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 21:22.04 | war | Roey: we have similar tastes ;) |
| 21:22.09 | jelly-home | cafuego_: I know, but do our users of softraid? |
| 21:22.33 | biz | in which package is the MAKEDEV script? |
| 21:22.52 | *** join/#debian Mooi (n=wykis@91.186.4.144) |
| 21:22.53 | cafuego_ | jelly-home: I think probably mainly they don't need to; the kernel is pretty smart in that regard and will throw any disks out of the array when it notices weirdness. |
| 21:23.04 | *** part/#debian liri (n=liran@80.178.89.24.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 21:23.06 | war | Roey: you also use mdadm swriad1 for your root ? |
| 21:23.17 | *** part/#debian Mooi (n=wykis@91.186.4.144) |
| 21:23.19 | war | cafuego_: plus I run smartmontools an remove disks with any smart errors |
| 21:23.21 | Roey | war, just mdadm |
| 21:23.26 | war | cafuego_: and for 2-3 months I md5'd every file on the array |
| 21:23.28 | Roey | war: oh, yeah, raid 1 yes |
| 21:23.28 | scruffy | biz: apt-cache search MAKEDEV |
| 21:23.30 | war | cafuego_: and checked them weekly |
| 21:23.33 | war | cafuego_: never a problem |
| 21:23.40 | jelly-home | cafuego_: nope. Kernel never does parity recheck by itself. |
| 21:23.43 | war | cafuego_: so why grind the disks to hell resyncing for no reason |
| 21:23.48 | war | Roey: cool ;) |
| 21:24.44 | *** join/#debian [shorty114] (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 21:24.44 | jelly-home | cafuego_: I think they've only recently added that feature, should check notes... |
| 21:24.44 | Roey | war: and it's save dme before! |
| 21:24.44 | war | Roey: nice. |
| 21:24.59 | Roey | war: before I used raptors, I used the standard-quality stuff--a drive broke, and I was happy to chuck it |
| 21:25.09 | pythos | the part where exim4-config is in the state "iF" What to do with that? |
| 21:25.10 | Roey | war: ALSO...do you use dirvish at all for backups? |
| 21:25.30 | jelly-home | cafuego_: so if a drive in a raid5 fails, one can get silent corruption if one of the other drives had a flaky write. |
| 21:25.45 | cafuego_ | jelly-home: Yay! :-) |
| 21:26.13 | war | Roey: hmm no |
| 21:26.21 | war | Roey: I either use a tar+bzip2 or xfsdump(VERY NICE) |
| 21:26.32 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 21:26.33 | *** join/#debian aie (n=1107@ip70-160-228-135.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 21:26.36 | war | Roey: for home anyway |
| 21:26.45 | Roey | what's xfsdump? |
| 21:26.52 | *** join/#debian pikko (n=lukas@boh.netbox.cz) |
| 21:26.52 | war | dumps the filesystem into an image |
| 21:26.55 | Roey | ahhhh |
| 21:27.00 | Roey | but can it do it while it's mounted? |
| 21:27.01 | Roey | i.e. |
| 21:27.01 | grendal_prime | ya jelly-home |
| 21:27.03 | war | Roey: yup |
| 21:27.04 | war | Roey: 100% |
| 21:27.07 | Roey | XFS can't do snapshots, I thought. |
| 21:27.08 | war | Roey: that is why I like it |
| 21:27.08 | grendal_prime | 1670 frames in 5.0 seconds = 333.848 FPS |
| 21:27.16 | cafuego_ | coffee time |
| 21:27.17 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: even slower, huh |
| 21:27.17 | grendal_prime | thats 24 bit |
| 21:27.22 | Roey | war: in #xfm they keep referring me to #lvm for snapshots |
| 21:27.26 | war | Roey: xfsdump -f /mnt/mydiskpartition1.img / |
| 21:27.31 | Roey | hmmm |
| 21:27.32 | war | Roey: dunno |
| 21:27.33 | war | Roey: works for me |
| 21:27.34 | Roey | war: ok |
| 21:27.34 | grendal_prime | ya this card will not do 3d in anything higher than 16 |
| 21:27.37 | war | Roey: I restored system from it as well |
| 21:27.38 | *** join/#debian Spetsnaz- (n=OverNigh@adsl-69-177-232-59.adsl.snet.net) |
| 21:27.56 | war | Roey: also LVM incurs a 30% performance hit |
| 21:27.59 | war | Roey: did you know that |
| 21:28.05 | *** join/#debian cableroy_ (n=cableroy@216-210-44.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 21:28.14 | Roey | war: no I did not! |
| 21:28.23 | grendal_prime | its just werid.. |
| 21:28.24 | h3sp4wn | make clean is very very slow on xfs |
| 21:28.25 | Roey | war: ok, so you have experience rstoring, that's important |
| 21:28.37 | h3sp4wn | deleting large numbers of files |
| 21:28.53 | war | Roey: yes |
| 21:28.53 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: does grep Depth /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep bpp say something like "(**) I810(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32" ? |
| 21:29.03 | grendal_prime | even the machine at home ati rage 128. it runs...like...ok with xorg. But nothing near what it was running with xfree86 |
| 21:29.08 | war | Roey: whenever I want to put am achine up , I can just xfsdump restore over nfs via knoppix |
| 21:29.12 | war | Roey: and I got a machine in 5 min ;) |
| 21:29.19 | war | (Gigabit) |
| 21:29.52 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: I dunno, next stop #xorg or #dri or whatever |
| 21:30.10 | Roey | war: interesting. |
| 21:30.12 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: maybe it's really that slow :-| |
| 21:30.14 | abrotman | it's a crap card maybe ? :) |
| 21:30.16 | Roey | war: I will read about this xfsdump. |
| 21:30.20 | war | Roey: do you run XFS? |
| 21:30.20 | Roey | war: I boot off of an XFS / |
| 21:30.24 | war | Roey: me too |
| 21:30.25 | Roey | well yeah of course. |
| 21:30.30 | war | Roey: except for the raid1 setup |
| 21:30.32 | Roey | war: my /boot is ext3 (ugh) |
| 21:30.36 | war | Roey: as you know you need /boot on ext3 |
| 21:30.37 | Roey | war: but my / is xfs |
| 21:30.37 | war | yep |
| 21:30.37 | *** join/#debian zugu (n=root@194.79.44.109) |
| 21:30.39 | war | yes |
| 21:30.41 | Roey | war: yeah |
| 21:30.42 | grendal_prime | jelly-home: (**) I810(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 21:30.42 | grendal_prime | (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp |
| 21:30.44 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.46 | *** join/#debian monteiro (n=monteiro@84.90.113.176) |
| 21:30.46 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: onboard is crap by definition, but one can hope... |
| 21:30.48 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | Roey | war: grub still has a problem booting from / on xfs+rai1 |
| 21:30.52 | *** join/#debian sng (n=sng@unaffiliated/scarynetworkguy) |
| 21:30.53 | Roey | *raid1 |
| 21:30.55 | war | Roey: I use LILO |
| 21:30.59 | *** part/#debian sng (n=sng@unaffiliated/scarynetworkguy) |
| 21:31.02 | Roey | war: that's why I use LILO, right :) |
| 21:31.05 | war | Roey: lol |
| 21:31.07 | Roey | war: is it why you use lilo, too? |
| 21:31.12 | war | I've always used lILo |
| 21:31.15 | war | and like it, eunderstand it |
| 21:31.15 | Roey | aye |
| 21:31.17 | war | Ive played with grub |
| 21:31.18 | Roey | oh my god |
| 21:31.18 | war | but no thx |
| 21:31.21 | Roey | yeah I hate it |
| 21:31.24 | grendal_prime | ya jelly-home what does that mean? |
| 21:31.26 | Roey | this is like tha tscene in Fight Club |
| 21:31.32 | war | lol indeed |
| 21:31.33 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: yeah, that's what I have to, but this one is reasonably usable for GL screensavers, even rss-glx ones |
| 21:31.37 | Roey | where one AA tourist meets another |
| 21:31.42 | war | Roey: what do you use for your raid5 or you havent set it up yet? |
| 21:31.46 | war | Roey: what type of configuration do you have? |
| 21:31.47 | war | PCI-e or PCI? |
| 21:31.54 | war | I migrated to a new mobo+box that I just built last week. |
| 21:31.55 | Roey | war: well my current is like this: |
| 21:31.57 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: means 8 bit per colour but 32 bits per pixel |
| 21:31.58 | Roey | war: ahhh |
| 21:32.00 | war | I had 3.3TB, 400GB x 10 on a PCI mobo. |
| 21:32.06 | war | But PCI limited me to 133MB/s. |
| 21:32.08 | Roey | war: I use a box with 2xraptors in a raid1 configuration. |
| 21:32.10 | Roey | softraid. |
| 21:32.13 | war | k. |
| 21:32.16 | Roey | war: (it's PCI) |
| 21:32.19 | war | If you want speed with raid5 you need a motherboard with PCI-e |
| 21:32.22 | Roey | I want to build a new box: |
| 21:32.24 | war | yes. |
| 21:32.28 | war | want my specifications I used? |
| 21:32.38 | Roey | PCIe, dual-core or quad-core or who knows, with two hard drives (two is less heat than four, I figure) |
| 21:32.42 | Roey | war: sure! |
| 21:32.49 | war | sec |
| 21:32.50 | *** join/#debian Guyver (n=guyver@84.13.246.217) |
| 21:33.00 | Roey | hey Guyver |
| 21:33.14 | Roey | war: (I wonder when we're gonna get 750 GB raptors already) |
| 21:33.17 | war | Roey: Intel.BOXDG965WHMKR |
| 21:33.18 | war | Roey: for real |
| 21:33.21 | war | Roey: 2gb 667mhz ddr |
| 21:33.29 | war | Roey: and (FOUR) Silicon Image 3134's |
| 21:33.34 | war | Roey: the motherboard has 6 sata ports (ICH8R) |
| 21:33.39 | Roey | yeeeeeeesh :) |
| 21:33.39 | Roey | nice |
| 21:33.44 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 21:33.45 | war | Roey: and 2 x 4 cards = 8 SATA (3.0GBps+NCQ) |
| 21:33.46 | Roey | what is an SI 3134? |
| 21:33.53 | war | Roey: a $20 PCI-e x1 card |
| 21:34.03 | Roey | ah ok |
| 21:34.15 | war | http://www.directron.com/sdsa2pex2ir.html |
| 21:34.16 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 21:34.19 | war | That is supported in Linux 100% |
| 21:34.23 | war | Supports staggared spin-up |
| 21:34.25 | *** part/#debian pythos (i=lanebob@unaffiliated/pythos) |
| 21:34.26 | war | Is 3.0GBps and NCQ capable |
| 21:34.41 | war | Roey: it was either that or buy a $1500 areca card |
| 21:34.42 | grendal_prime | jelly-home: kernel frambuffer device any faster? |
| 21:34.45 | war | Roey: let me think..... :) |
| 21:34.59 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: uh, faster compared to what? |
| 21:35.07 | Roey | war: hmm |
| 21:35.21 | Roey | war: so I'd like to build a backup server with 2x750 GB drives |
| 21:35.27 | war | Roey: my ideal is genious do you see? :) |
| 21:35.35 | war | Roey: each PCI-e x1 slot is 250MB/s each direection, its own bandiwdth |
| 21:35.38 | Roey | war: hmm, how big an array do you want to make? |
| 21:35.42 | grendal_prime | the intell hardware...this just sucks, i had this thing working really well, now..its well i guess ill just live with it |
| 21:35.44 | war | Roey: I have two arrays currently |
| 21:35.47 | Roey | ahhhhh |
| 21:35.50 | war | Roey: 4x150gb raptor = 420GB RAID5 |
| 21:35.53 | Roey | war: oh you have four |
| 21:35.53 | war | Roey: and 400GB x 5 = 1.4TB |
| 21:35.55 | Roey | and 150 at that! |
| 21:35.56 | Roey | nice |
| 21:36.00 | war | yes, $900 for hte raptors |
| 21:36.01 | war | but well worth it |
| 21:36.08 | war | I never seen speeds so fast before |
| 21:36.14 | war | raid0 was 297MB/s read and 317MB/s write |
| 21:36.17 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: If it worked better on XFree86, I guess you'll have to complain to #xorg |
| 21:36.17 | Roey | oh my god. |
| 21:36.20 | war | raid5 is 195MB/s write and 212MB/s read |
| 21:36.22 | war | Roey: yup |
| 21:36.32 | Roey | war: but how often do you make writes/reads that big? |
| 21:36.48 | Roey | like, for 100-200 MB, yeah I can understand, but if you're copying a 37 KiB file |
| 21:36.49 | Roey | ? |
| 21:36.50 | war | Roey: even read+write is VERY fast (untarring large files for instance) |
| 21:36.55 | Roey | ahh |
| 21:36.55 | war | I use a 128kb chunk size. |
| 21:36.58 | war | so 37 KiB is fine |
| 21:37.00 | jelly-home | Roey: I'd sure like sustained 2x60 MB/s to feed my tape drives. |
| 21:37.03 | war | Roey: I spent months reseeaching this |
| 21:37.03 | Roey | war: have you had any of the drives die on you? |
| 21:37.04 | grendal_prime | ya.thanks for the help though. |
| 21:37.10 | Roey | jelly-home: heh |
| 21:37.13 | war | Roey: in my old box RAID5 yes |
| 21:37.13 | Roey | war: I see! |
| 21:37.20 | war | jelly-home: I am a backup engineer |
| 21:37.21 | Roey | war: so in that caser |
| 21:37.30 | Roey | war: oh man you syhould speak with Jason Boxman at #debian-kde |
| 21:37.31 | war | jelly-home: I have driven LTO3 fibers to 137MB/s |
| 21:37.34 | jelly-home | war: I'm a backup admin, hi! |
| 21:37.38 | Roey | war: he even wrote the docs on dirvish |
| 21:37.43 | war | Roey: never played with that util |
| 21:37.44 | Roey | jelly-home: no waaay |
| 21:37.45 | Roey | :) |
| 21:37.50 | *** join/#debian oguz (n=oguz@88.240.209.154) |
| 21:37.55 | Roey | war: it manages snapshots for you |
| 21:38.00 | war | jelly-home: using level 3 mutliplexing with 256kb buffers w/netbackup 5.1mp4 |
| 21:38.11 | war | Roey: hmm |
| 21:38.17 | war | Roey: my backup scheme has been working for quite some time (at home) |
| 21:38.22 | Roey | war: you can simply 'cd' into the backup directory and work directly with a snapshot of how your file system looked like at time T |
| 21:38.26 | war | that is cool |
| 21:38.31 | jair | jelly-home: hi |
| 21:38.33 | Roey | war: do you back up to a separate server, I take it? |
| 21:38.36 | war | yes |
| 21:38.40 | war | to 2 servers |
| 21:38.52 | Roey | war: I'd like to do this (and then to back up to external hard drive that I can take to my parents' house every month or so) |
| 21:38.54 | *** join/#debian chr_ (n=chr@user-514dabfb.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 21:38.57 | Roey | so if it the computer gets stolen |
| 21:39.00 | Roey | then I still have my data. |
| 21:39.02 | *** join/#debian bulent_ (n=flyuser@85.97.135.178) |
| 21:39.06 | war | Roey: true or |
| 21:39.10 | bulent_ | hi all |
| 21:39.14 | war | Roey: rsync your data nightly to your parents house |
| 21:39.15 | Roey | hi bulent_ |
| 21:39.17 | war | Roey: even better |
| 21:39.21 | Roey | war: that's what dirvish does |
| 21:39.23 | Roey | it uses rsync |
| 21:39.24 | war | Roey: ah. |
| 21:39.25 | jelly-home | war: need to push stuff to LTO2 from el cheapo 8x250SATA drives... they're currently on Vortex hw raid5 which gives me maybe 60-70MB/s _one_ stream, drops rapidly on multiple streams. |
| 21:39.37 | Roey | but it's a giant script written to -manage- these snapshots |
| 21:39.38 | war | jelly-home: yikes |
| 21:39.38 | bulent_ | my in debian squid conf error |
| 21:39.40 | bulent_ | /etc/init.d/squid start |
| 21:39.40 | bulent_ | Starting Squid HTTP proxy: squid2007/01/12 21:34:17| parseConfigFile: line 4334 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_host virtual ' |
| 21:39.40 | bulent_ | 2007/01/12 21:34:17| parseConfigFile: line 4335 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_port 80 ' |
| 21:39.40 | bulent_ | 2007/01/12 21:34:17| parseConfigFile: line 4336 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_with_proxy on ' |
| 21:39.40 | bulent_ | 2007/01/12 21:34:17| parseConfigFile: line 4337 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_uses_host_header on ' |
| 21:39.40 | *** kick/#debian [bulent_!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:39.46 | jair | jelly-home: I am trying to make vnc-server to listen in the 0:0 instead a new session (5091 or 5092) is that possible? |
| 21:39.49 | war | jelly-home: what backup sw are you using? what raid level on the 8x250? |
| 21:39.59 | jelly-home | jair: sure, x11vnc |
| 21:40.30 | jair | jelly-home: but what about if I want to change it in any other vnc-server for linux like tightvnc or realvnc? |
| 21:40.32 | *** join/#debian Dabian (n=M0RTEN@fsf/member/dabian) |
| 21:40.46 | *** join/#debian zugu (n=ubuntu@194.79.44.109) |
| 21:40.49 | jelly-home | war: HP OmniBack ("Data Protector") 5.50 on a Windoze server, gigabit connected to the Linux storage box. |
| 21:41.02 | zugu | hello |
| 21:41.04 | beardy | zugu: /join #ubuntu |
| 21:41.07 | jelly-home | war: currently a raid5 over 6x250 sata disks. |
| 21:41.24 | Dabian | Hi. I have a motherboard with onboard wlan. How do I find out which driver I need to use? lspci didn't seem to help me. (I am using 6.10 of ubuntu, but also debian sid in my 32-bit chroot) |
| 21:41.24 | war | jelly-home: have you evaluated netbackup? have you benchmarked the disks locally? how are the sata disks connected? 'vortex hardware raid' Is ICP/Intel right? |
| 21:41.31 | zugu | beardy, why? I have a debian problem |
| 21:41.36 | war | jelly-home: LTO2 Ive pushed to a (maximum of 92-96MB/s) |
| 21:41.41 | war | jelly-home: using 3 streams |
| 21:41.50 | war | jelly-home: does your backup server have enough RAW I/O to do that? |
| 21:42.05 | war | jelly-home: have ut ried backing up data from /dev/shm (ram) or /dev/zero |
| 21:42.07 | war | to benchmark |
| 21:42.25 | war | Roey: 750gbs are nice |
| 21:42.28 | war | Roey: but |
| 21:42.30 | war | Roey: don't have any atm |
| 21:42.31 | zugu | beardy: the debian install went wrong, and I'm using the ubuntu live cd to ask for help; is there something wrong with it? |
| 21:42.36 | Dabian | I generally prefer GNU/Linux over other systems, but when it comes to wireless .. I have nothing but trouble. |
| 21:42.40 | war | Roey: is your goal sped or space? or both? |
| 21:43.06 | Roey | war: both? |
| 21:43.11 | Roey | war: that's why I'd leave it at raid1 |
| 21:43.18 | Roey | actually, hmm... |
| 21:43.25 | Roey | my media grows without bounds, actually |
| 21:43.27 | Roey | (video, music, etc.) |
| 21:43.39 | Roey | my core stuff could use anohter one- to two-hundred gigs. |
| 21:43.55 | Roey | so I don't know if I want to keep everything on a two-drive raid setup |
| 21:43.57 | Roey | maybe split it? |
| 21:44.13 | jelly-home | war: netbackup was briefly considered, but no vendor actually preferred it. We got a nice bundled deal with HP, so their software was used in spite of my preference and experience with Legato NetWorker. the server can handle it, our Oracle stuff gets written at 60-70MB/s. |
| 21:44.16 | *** join/#debian psychoslave (n=psychosl@bro67-1-81-56-28-126.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:44.25 | *** join/#debian joeyjones (n=joeyjone@S010600179a9e114b.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 21:44.34 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua_ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-33-158.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:44.54 | Roey | jelly-home: oh, speaking of professional backups, we back up to this two-drive enclosure box (SATAVault, the product is called). |
| 21:45.00 | Roey | connected via USB to the server. |
| 21:45.01 | Roey | ick. |
| 21:45.11 | jelly-home | war: I usually get 40-50 MB/s with 5 parallel streams to two tapes, but less when running from this particular disk staging area. |
| 21:45.12 | war | jelly-home: I have used Arcserve, NetBackup Exec, NetBackup but not HP's data protector |
| 21:45.12 | war | jelly-home: also windows typically gets slower performance unless you run all the registry optimizations for network, disk and tape i/o etc |
| 21:45.18 | war | big of lag there!! |
| 21:45.22 | war | Roey: ahh |
| 21:45.25 | Roey | anyway, is there a hard-drive jukebox out there that can deal with me rotating hard drives in an out of its pool? |
| 21:45.26 | war | Roey: with raid5 you can grow it though |
| 21:45.31 | zugu | I installed Debian from the current etch daily cd image; everything went well, untill after the reboot; it said it couldn't find the /etc/X11/X directory |
| 21:45.34 | Roey | war: you can grow it w/ raid5?? |
| 21:45.38 | war | Roey: YES |
| 21:45.39 | Roey | hmm |
| 21:45.44 | war | Roey: I started with a 1.4TB array |
| 21:45.44 | Roey | war: yeah but you can only lose n-1 drives |
| 21:45.51 | war | Roey: each month I bought a new hdd |
| 21:45.55 | war | Roey: grew it to 3.3TB |
| 21:45.59 | Roey | interesting |
| 21:46.00 | war | Roey: they I couldn't put any more hdd in the box |
| 21:46.04 | jelly-home | jair: dunno, I've tried vnc4's x0vnc4server but x11vnc is faster. |
| 21:46.04 | war | Roey: so had to buy new box |
| 21:46.05 | war | Roey: :P |
| 21:46.23 | Roey | war: so you use LVM in addition to XFS? How do you do sw raid 5 otherwise? |
| 21:46.24 | Dabian | How do I find out what is supported of the nforce5 chipset? |
| 21:46.25 | war | jelly-home: yeah but your oracle servers are probably running on 74gb 10k or 15k rpm drives? |
| 21:46.32 | war | Roey: kernel 2.6.17+ supports growing |
| 21:46.33 | war | Roey: simple |
| 21:46.35 | jelly-home | war: SAN ;-) |
| 21:46.40 | war | jelly-home: that works too |
| 21:46.46 | war | Roey: mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=7 |
| 21:46.50 | Roey | ah |
| 21:46.58 | jelly-home | war: a smallish EVA5000 that can give 150MB/s ;-) |
| 21:47.02 | war | Roey: (after you added a spare drive to the pool of course) |
| 21:47.06 | war | jelly-home: fun stuff ;) |
| 21:47.13 | war | I dotn trust SANs personally |
| 21:47.15 | Roey | war: that's a whole lot of hard drives. Tell me, do you have a hotswap mechanism on your computer, or do you just shut it down if you need to replace a ddrive? |
| 21:47.32 | war | I have seen 1 SAN corrupt itself because 1 drive went bad and sent bad bits throughout the entire subsystem |
| 21:47.35 | war | all data was lost |
| 21:47.42 | war | the backup on tape was OK though but took 3 weeks to restore |
| 21:47.44 | jelly-home | war: I'd probably give an arm and a leg to get 150MB/s from a SATA Linux box though |
| 21:47.54 | war | jelly-home: then why not do a setup like mine |
| 21:47.58 | war | jelly-home: it works and its hella fast |
| 21:48.03 | war | Roey: shut it down |
| 21:48.07 | h3sp4wn | I trust netapp's (no way I would buy one for home though) |
| 21:48.11 | war | Roey: AHCI and those boards BOTH support hotswap |
| 21:48.13 | war | Roey: but |
| 21:48.19 | war | Roey: I can afford to shut the box down |
| 21:48.23 | war | Roey: and if you want to hotswap |
| 21:48.27 | war | Roey: buy a $700 chenbro case with 16 bays |
| 21:48.35 | war | Roey: but I don't need that much |
| 21:48.41 | jelly-home | war: gotta convince someone to buy those 146GB raptors |
| 21:48.45 | war | h3sp4wn: I do NDMP backups of netapps, they seem pretty reliable |
| 21:48.48 | war | jelly-home: indeed ;) |
| 21:48.49 | Hoxzer | what arew you guys talking about? |
| 21:48.53 | Roey | war: ahhh |
| 21:48.58 | war | Roey: basically dude |
| 21:49.00 | Dabian | !wifi |
| 21:49.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 21:49.05 | war | Roey: anything over > 12 drives you got to pay a lot of money |
| 21:49.06 | Dabian | !wlan |
| 21:49.06 | dpkg | methinks wlan is Wireless LAN, or see wlan-ng |
| 21:49.12 | Dabian | !wlan-ng |
| 21:49.12 | dpkg | from memory, wlan-ng is Next Generation WLAN - Available at ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ |
| 21:49.15 | war | Roey: I got the cooler master stacker case for around $115-$120 (w/ rebate) |
| 21:49.18 | Roey | war: well I like to keep it as simple as possible |
| 21:49.20 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 21:49.21 | *** join/#debian Halitherses2 (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 21:49.23 | jelly-home | war: but the boss is a Linux enthusiast, I'll be sure to show him your numbers. :-) |
| 21:49.25 | war | Roey: has 3 (4-in-3 bays hdd) |
| 21:49.28 | Roey | war: OH |
| 21:49.29 | war | Roey: so 12 hdds max |
| 21:49.40 | war | Roey: $16.99 for each 'module' and the case comes with one |
| 21:49.42 | war | jelly-home: cool |
| 21:49.47 | Roey | war: when mdadm reports a failed hard drive, how do you identify it physically? |
| 21:49.48 | war | jelly-home: you can search LKML |
| 21:49.56 | war | Roey: depends on your setup |
| 21:49.58 | Roey | war: do you label the drives with device names? |
| 21:49.59 | war | jelly-home: wrote a whole e-mail on it |
| 21:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 703] by debhelper |
| 21:50.02 | war | Roey: no |
| 21:50.09 | Roey | ok, so how then? |
| 21:50.13 | war | Roey: motherboard = /dev/sda.. to /dev/sdf |
| 21:50.16 | war | port0 = a |
| 21:50.19 | war | port1 = b |
| 21:50.23 | war | then, for the cards |
| 21:50.28 | war | continues after f |
| 21:50.32 | mindframe | how do i extend a desktop to a second monitor? |
| 21:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 21:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 21:50.34 | Roey | I don't follow |
| 21:50.37 | war | you can run smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda for the serial number |
| 21:50.39 | jelly-home | war: any keywords (or a Message-Id)? |
| 21:50.41 | war | to match the sn# on the drive as well |
| 21:50.42 | war | jelly-home: 1 sec |
| 21:50.50 | jjazz | mindframe: xinerama or merged framebuffer |
| 21:50.53 | Roey | war: but the sn isn't visible on the hard drive |
| 21:50.57 | Roey | not while it's on |
| 21:50.59 | Roey | and in |
| 21:51.02 | war | Subject: Re: Linux Software RAID 5 Performance Optimizations: 2.6.19.1: (211MB/s read & 195MB/s write) |
| 21:51.04 | Roey | i.e. it's occluded |
| 21:51.27 | war | Roey: there are a # of ways to find a disk |
| 21:51.32 | war | Roey: if you want hotswap |
| 21:51.39 | war | Roey: put the $$ into it :) |
| 21:51.39 | jelly-home | war: ooh, that's very fresh (judging by the kernel version ;-) |
| 21:51.44 | *** join/#debian fraudster (i=username@dsl-240-97-225.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 21:51.45 | war | jelly-home: yeap :) |
| 21:51.46 | fraudster | is anyone from colorado here? |
| 21:51.59 | war | why would someone from south africa be asking that? |
| 21:52.12 | fraudster | war, are you? |
| 21:52.13 | Roey | war |
| 21:52.16 | war | fraudster: nope |
| 21:52.16 | fraudster | I am interested |
| 21:52.22 | fraudster | o ok |
| 21:52.22 | war | Roey: ? |
| 21:52.30 | Roey | why is it that with my 2x74GB raptor raid1 array, I only see 25 MB/s |
| 21:52.30 | Roey | ? |
| 21:52.31 | blondie | war: stop fighting! :P |
| 21:52.37 | war | Roey: that is a problem |
| 21:52.43 | war | Roey: how are you benchmarking/ |
| 21:52.47 | Roey | em |
| 21:52.51 | war | Roey: raptor 74gb HDD should get 65MB/s write sustained |
| 21:52.54 | war | Roey: and roughly the same read |
| 21:52.55 | Roey | time cp blah /some/where/else |
| 21:53.01 | war | Roey: PCI bus |
| 21:53.13 | Roey | that doesn't even begin to saturate it though! |
| 21:53.18 | war | Roey: sure it does |
| 21:53.28 | war | Roey: PCI bus = limited 133MB/s (theoretical) , think 120mb/s practical |
| 21:53.36 | war | Roey: if it has to read from the raptor 65-70MB/s |
| 21:53.41 | war | and write somewhere else (To a slower drive) |
| 21:53.44 | *** join/#debian Tchaka (n=Thibaut@85.192.210.110) |
| 21:53.49 | war | read + write + copy to disk platter on other drive |
| 21:53.52 | Roey | ah |
| 21:53.53 | jelly-home | a PCI-X 64bit/66MHz card should be theoretically able to do a bit more |
| 21:53.53 | Roey | right.. |
| 21:53.54 | pipeline | Roey: test with dd if=/dev/zero |
| 21:53.57 | war | yep |
| 21:54.00 | war | liketen to pipeline |
| 21:54.00 | pipeline | Roey: bs=10M |
| 21:54.01 | Roey | pipeline: ok |
| 21:54.05 | war | bs=10M? crazy |
| 21:54.07 | war | use bs=1M |
| 21:54.07 | Roey | that's a big block size.. |
| 21:54.08 | war | try this |
| 21:54.11 | pipeline | Roey: That's the point. |
| 21:54.17 | war | dd if=/dev/zero of=10gb bs=1M count=10240 |
| 21:54.20 | war | Roey: show me that |
| 21:54.24 | Roey | heh |
| 21:54.27 | war | jelly-home: true |
| 21:54.34 | war | jelly-home: but PCI-X is being phased out |
| 21:54.36 | war | PCI-e > * |
| 21:54.38 | pipeline | Roey: You want to flood the drive with data being written sequentially. |
| 21:54.44 | war | Roey: what do you get with that line? |
| 21:54.45 | pipeline | war: Err, PCI-X is being phased out *very slowly* |
| 21:54.46 | Roey | war: I don't have 5 gigs left :)( |
| 21:54.50 | Roey | war: how about 2 gigs? |
| 21:55.07 | pipeline | war: Lots and lots of new systems actually have daughterboards so you cans witch between the two :) |
| 21:55.08 | Roey | dd if=/dev/zero of=10gb bs=1M count=2048 ? |
| 21:55.13 | war | Roey: k do that |
| 21:55.16 | *** join/#debian BarryAllen (n=marx@200.103.241.34) |
| 21:55.18 | Roey | what about a 'time' |
| 21:55.21 | war | pipeline: that is true |
| 21:55.22 | Roey | war: or does dd do that |
| 21:55.23 | war | Roey: /usr/bin/time |
| 21:55.24 | war | well |
| 21:55.27 | war | the new version does it |
| 21:55.27 | BarryAllen | hi all, someone using pdns + ldap ? |
| 21:55.31 | war | if using etch++ |
| 21:55.31 | pipeline | Roey: dd gives you a speed, yes. |
| 21:55.33 | Eulex | Roey, eh.... you're not overwriting something now are you? |
| 21:56.48 | war | here is my PCI system that I just built ( I took it apart to steal its sata drives ) and then used the IDE ones to build a 3rd raid box |
| 21:56.50 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.52 | biz | uhh.. i've just installed udev (i'm on a 2.6 kernel) nor i want to reboot and get: shutdown: /dev/initctl: Is a directory \n init: /dev/initctl: Is a directory |
| 21:56.54 | war | limited by PCI bus |
| 21:57.00 | biz | s/nor/now/ |
| 21:57.10 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.29 | Roey | Eulex: no? |
| 21:57.33 | Roey | war: one sec. |
| 21:57.57 | S2AnGeL | anyone run a server behind a router here? |
| 21:57.59 | jelly-home | war: does O_DIRECT help anything? |
| 21:58.07 | blahdeblah | Is there a way to put shorter, custom names in /dev/disk/by-id? |
| 21:58.07 | Roey | 1169162240 bytes (1.2 GB) copied, 72.3123 seconds, 16.2 MB/s |
| 21:58.16 | Roey | (stopped it in the middle) |
| 21:58.48 | *** join/#debian StormBlade (n=stormbla@88.247.196.5) |
| 21:58.49 | Bhavesh | wow 2000G is 1TB is it not? |
| 21:59.04 | Roey | war: so what's with that weird speed? 16MB/s ? eh?? |
| 21:59.09 | Bhavesh | i meant 2TB |
| 21:59.10 | blahdeblah | Bhavesh: 2 TB if my maths serves me correctly. :-) |
| 21:59.18 | *** part/#debian oguz (n=oguz@88.240.209.154) |
| 21:59.19 | blahdeblah | Just beat me! |
| 21:59.22 | war | Roey: that is very ODD |
| 21:59.23 | Bhavesh | it's been a very long day!! hehe |
| 21:59.27 | Bhavesh | and a very very long week |
| 21:59.31 | Roey | war: hep meeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:59.33 | war | Bhaal: 1.9TB in df -h |
| 21:59.35 | S2AnGeL | I am having trouble Behid a router having my server resolve "unable to determine IP address of" my s1.domainname.com |
| 21:59.41 | war | jelly-home: havent played with it |
| 21:59.58 | war | jelly-home: played with bonnie++and many other tests |
| 22:00.01 | *** join/#debian matteo (n=kvirc@host236-114-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:00.04 | matteo | hi all |
| 22:00.09 | Roey | hey |
| 22:00.12 | Bhavesh | hmm i got three 20G drives i wonder if i can set it up in raid5 and get a whopping 40G out of it :) |
| 22:00.16 | war | Roey: hrmm |
| 22:00.18 | matteo | why the kernel is switching to d80211 for the wifi stack? |
| 22:00.20 | Bhavesh | slightly less then 2TB |
| 22:00.23 | blahdeblah | S2AnGeL: Is that a question? |
| 22:00.23 | Roey | war: I'm gonna go home for abit |
| 22:00.25 | war | Roey: what does one HDD do? hdparm -t /dev/sda |
| 22:00.28 | Roey | ok |
| 22:00.29 | Roey | one sec |
| 22:00.32 | war | Roey: k |
| 22:00.43 | S2AnGeL | lol blahdeblah: I guess not |
| 22:00.46 | war | next thing I want to buy is 2 dell 24" |
| 22:00.50 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.54 | war | anyone use two dell 24" 1920x1200? |
| 22:00.55 | Roey | war: save your money |
| 22:00.57 | war | Roey: something is seriously wrong |
| 22:00.58 | Roey | war: I have one. |
| 22:01.00 | Roey | 2405fpw |
| 22:01.02 | war | Roey: do you like it? |
| 22:01.15 | S2AnGeL | what should I do so that my proftpd will run behind a router |
| 22:01.22 | war | when I buy my gaming box, getting 2 x8800GTX + 30" dell 2560x1600 |
| 22:01.27 | war | but for linux box, 2 24"s should work |
| 22:01.28 | Roey | war: here: |
| 22:01.33 | S2AnGeL | it gives me a error "unable to determine IP address of" my s1.domainname.com |
| 22:01.33 | war | Roey: here is my raptor 74 Timing buffered disk reads: 204 MB in 3.00 seconds = 67.99 MB/sec |
| 22:02.11 | war | Roey: do you have heavy disk i/o usage ? |
| 22:02.11 | war | Roey: run vmstat 1 and see if you have heavy i/o |
| 22:02.11 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.11 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.11 | war | those two #s in bold |
| 22:02.16 | Roey | war, http://rafb.net/p/q5k2Ok87.html |
| 22:02.16 | S2AnGeL | then just Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 22:02.25 | Roey | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- |
| 22:02.26 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.26 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.34 | war | Roey: almost nothing |
| 22:02.35 | war | Roey: wow |
| 22:02.39 | war | Roey: something is seriously wrong with your system |
| 22:02.44 | war | Roey: I think I may know what it is |
| 22:02.46 | war | Roey: possibly.. |
| 22:02.49 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 22:02.53 | war | Roey: are you running your SATA controller in RAID mode? |
| 22:02.54 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@201.10.104.147) |
| 22:03.00 | war | Roey: when I do that on my old motherboard I got 30-40MB/s like you |
| 22:03.14 | blahdeblah | S2AnGeL: sounds like you need to get your DNS sorted out |
| 22:03.17 | war | Roey: because it has to pass-thru the sata 'fake raid' chip |
| 22:03.20 | *** join/#debian ZombB (n=zombi@dslb-084-057-036-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:03.30 | war | Roey: you need to use the sata ports natively (if you are not) |
| 22:03.32 | blahdeblah | Is there a way to get /dev/disk/by-label/ on etch? |
| 22:03.33 | Roey | war: I don't know if it is in raid mode. |
| 22:03.39 | Roey | something is always wrong with my systems |
| 22:03.41 | Roey | they piss me off. |
| 22:03.41 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 22:03.54 | Roey | war: you're in the dc/md/va region right? |
| 22:04.22 | war | Roey: heh you are in mclean :P |
| 22:04.24 | war | Roey: ya. |
| 22:04.27 | S2AnGeL | should I have my dynadns name servers entered into my resolve? |
| 22:04.29 | Roey | war: I'm in bethesda :) |
| 22:04.31 | Roey | war: cool |
| 22:04.32 | war | ah |
| 22:04.39 | war | Roey: lol what mobo? |
| 22:04.42 | war | Roey: lspci | grep -i sata |
| 22:04.43 | Roey | 26 here, how bout yourself? |
| 22:04.44 | war | what chipset? |
| 22:04.45 | war | 24 |
| 22:04.47 | Roey | war: cool |
| 22:04.50 | Roey | did cs in school? |
| 22:04.57 | Roey | war: msi neo fis2r |
| 22:05.01 | war | ya but after A.S. in C.S. I switched to English :P |
| 22:05.05 | *** part/#debian zugu (n=ubuntu@194.79.44.109) |
| 22:05.07 | Roey | war: ahhhhhh |
| 22:05.09 | war | Roey: old board |
| 22:05.16 | war | I have an MSI 655 Max FISR |
| 22:05.19 | war | does the same thing |
| 22:05.21 | *** join/#debian r3x (n=chatzill@85.138.197.184) |
| 22:05.22 | war | if you use the raid ports |
| 22:05.25 | war | very slow speeds |
| 22:05.33 | *** join/#debian [JAPS]ph1L (i=4397plas@cm56-197-47.liwest.at) |
| 22:05.33 | war | because they were not deisnged for normal I/O |
| 22:05.39 | war | only through the 'raid' driver |
| 22:05.52 | blahdeblah | S2AnGeL: Not normally - on a normal broadband connection, you should use your ISP's DNS servers. |
| 22:05.55 | war | Roey: I reckon that is part of your problem |
| 22:06.05 | war | Roey: If you bought a SATA 150 TX2 or TX4 300 you would get 65-70MB/s |
| 22:06.15 | war | Roey: 02:05.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 22:06.18 | blahdeblah | S2AnGeL: I normally configure a local bind9 daemon as a cache. |
| 22:06.19 | war | Roey: ~$74 at newegg |
| 22:06.21 | *** join/#debian NLoRD (n=nlord@83.212.200.250) |
| 22:06.26 | war | Roey: then you would get better speeds I bet |
| 22:07.05 | *** join/#debian Irrumator (n=iravid@IGLD-83-130-203-234.inter.net.il) |
| 22:07.47 | *** join/#debian [JAPS]ph1L (i=4397plas@cm56-197-47.liwest.at) |
| 22:07.51 | war | Roey: been on vacation for 2weeks+ now been doign LOTS of sw raid stuff |
| 22:07.58 | S2AnGeL | blahdeblah sounds good to me.. loading and setting up bind.. thanks.. |
| 22:08.12 | Roey | war: ahhhhhhh ok. |
| 22:08.20 | Roey | war: what about this deal of Linux not recognizign that it's 32-bit |
| 22:08.26 | Roey | did you hceck out that link I posted? |
| 22:08.38 | *** join/#debian ieugen_mutulica (n=mutulica@86.106.99.42) |
| 22:08.39 | war | to be honest with you Ive never played with hdparm on sata drives |
| 22:08.42 | war | let me see what mine are |
| 22:09.05 | war | Roey: mine is the same |
| 22:09.09 | war | 0 (16 bit), 0, 256 |
| 22:09.10 | *** join/#debian mofino (n=root@209.91.132.242) |
| 22:09.11 | war | same as yours |
| 22:09.14 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.16 | war | same sectors too |
| 22:09.22 | Roey | oh, ok. |
| 22:09.34 | war | Roey: how many sata connectors on your board? |
| 22:09.35 | war | Roey: 2? |
| 22:09.37 | *** join/#debian idealm_ (n=ideal@CPE-203-45-99-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 22:09.51 | war | Roey: lspci <- what sata chip are you using 20372? |
| 22:09.54 | war | (promise) |
| 22:09.59 | *** join/#debian linux_user400354 (n=chris@208-117-73-67.block5.gvtc.com) |
| 22:10.17 | war | Roey: ? |
| 22:10.25 | war | Roey: and if you want better speeds you will have to get a new motherboard |
| 22:10.38 | war | Roey: for instance, when researching I made sure the gigabit lan was on its own PCI-e lane |
| 22:10.58 | war | [ 0.472321] e1000: 0000:00:19.0: e1000_probe: (PCI Express:2.5Gb/s:Width x1) 00:19:d1:29:e7:0c |
| 22:10.59 | *** join/#debian weggpod (n=weggpod@ivr94-7-82-245-252-174.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:10.59 | war | and it is :) |
| 22:11.00 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 22:11.13 | *** part/#debian mofino (n=root@209.91.132.242) |
| 22:11.17 | war | you want to make sure each hdd/device that uses a lot of bw has its own lane |
| 22:11.22 | war | or lane(s) for I/O |
| 22:11.31 | blahdeblah | S2AnGeL: You will want to set the forwarders option in /etc/bind9/named.conf.options to your ISP's DNS servers. |
| 22:11.34 | war | then you can maximize throughput linearly by adding more hdds |
| 22:11.38 | Roey | RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) |
| 22:11.42 | war | Roey: OUCH |
| 22:11.47 | Roey | what |
| 22:11.48 | Roey | whaaaat :) |
| 22:11.53 | war | Roey: VIA's raid chipsets are some of the slowest out there as well |
| 22:11.58 | Roey | eesh |
| 22:12.00 | *** join/#debian Kuko (n=kuko@wnpgmb01dc2-133-156.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:12.01 | war | Roey: read the benchmarks at tomshardware |
| 22:12.10 | war | Roey: VIA = slow |
| 22:12.13 | Roey | ok |
| 22:12.15 | Roey | you know what |
| 22:12.16 | war | like C3 instead of intel chip ;) |
| 22:12.21 | war | via c3 or whatever |
| 22:12.21 | Roey | I'll enlist your help when I buy a new machine :) |
| 22:12.24 | war | k ;) |
| 22:12.27 | Roey | WOW that's slwo |
| 22:12.37 | war | via is pos when it comes to speed |
| 22:12.46 | war | slow IOPS, slow I/O (at least in the older boards) |
| 22:12.58 | war | so since I have so many 250 and 400gb hdds |
| 22:13.02 | *** part/#debian rawcut (n=irc@APuteaux-151-1-82-52.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:13.02 | war | I had to split my raid5s up |
| 22:13.06 | war | on two separate machines |
| 22:13.26 | war | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:13.33 | war | /dev/md3 420G 294G 126G 71% /r1 (150gb raptor x 4) |
| 22:13.34 | blahdeblah | war: Slow memory access, too, according to memtest86 |
| 22:13.38 | war | /dev/md4 1.5T 591G 900G 40% /r2 (400gb x 5) |
| 22:13.41 | war | blahdeblah: what do you get? |
| 22:13.47 | Roey | war: yeah this system is slow as a brick. |
| 22:13.49 | war | /dev/md0 699G 592G 107G 85% /raid5 (250gb x 5) |
| 22:13.51 | matteo | what is a lane? |
| 22:13.53 | Roey | war: even in 64-bit mode. |
| 22:13.58 | war | /dev/md0 1.9T 912K 1.9T 1% /raid5 (6 x 400GB) |
| 22:14.00 | Roey | matteo: new PCIe terminology |
| 22:14.07 | war | Roey: a lane (one PCI-e lane does 250MB/s each direction) |
| 22:14.12 | war | each chipset has a certain number of lanes |
| 22:14.19 | Roey | ah |
| 22:14.19 | war | ie, nvidia 680i sli has 40-50 lanes |
| 22:14.20 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 22:14.25 | Roey | 40-50! wow |
| 22:14.27 | war | but a small intel 945 may only have 18-20 lanes |
| 22:14.32 | Roey | well if a gfx card is 16 lanes |
| 22:14.35 | war | (one for 16X port (16 lanes) and 2 for other stuff |
| 22:14.35 | war | yep |
| 22:14.35 | Roey | and two are 32 lanes |
| 22:14.36 | Roey | yeah |
| 22:14.46 | *** join/#debian cqst (i=cqst@ras75-4-82-229-152-200.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:15.03 | *** join/#debian cqst_ (i=cqst@ras75-4-82-229-152-200.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:15.29 | war | Roey: but overall I am obsessed with sw raid etc |
| 22:15.38 | war | Roey: benchmarkedmy 4 raptos for like 2-3 days |
| 22:15.39 | *** join/#debian Hypoon (n=hypoon@pool-72-73-202-53.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:15.43 | war | Roey: until I got premium performance |
| 22:15.51 | war | Roey: default was 111mb/s write and 87MB/s read |
| 22:16.00 | war | Roey: (gain) got 211mb/s read and 195MB/s write |
| 22:16.02 | Roey | fucking wow |
| 22:16.03 | war | after tweaks |
| 22:16.04 | Roey | that's amazing :) |
| 22:16.08 | war | with only 4 raptors |
| 22:16.23 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481DDCD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:16.25 | war | with 5 400GBs, they are twice as slow (almost) |
| 22:16.31 | war | 10-11minutes to run all bonnie++ tests |
| 22:16.35 | war | where the 4 raptors do it in 5min55sec |
| 22:16.56 | *** join/#debian Hemingway (n=knoppix_@pD9E9250A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:17.23 | war | so out of all my boxes (riad5) I have 4.5T |
| 22:17.39 | war | and all temps of the disks are 35c or less |
| 22:17.40 | war | so im happy |
| 22:17.43 | jelly-home | war: Frankly I'd be damn happy to have 100MB/s read or write with my 250GB disks, that would halve my backup/copy times and probably better. |
| 22:17.49 | *** part/#debian Hypoon (n=hypoon@pool-72-73-202-53.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:17.59 | war | jelly-home: hmm again-- let me test my 400s for you |
| 22:18.12 | war | p34:/r2# dd if=/dev/zero of=10gb bs=1M count=10240 |
| 22:18.14 | PumpkinPie | war: shouldn't I get that speed with 33 mhz pci ? |
| 22:18.15 | war | running now |
| 22:18.23 | war | PumpkinPie: 33mhz PCI for READ yes |
| 22:18.26 | war | PumpkinPie: for write, no |
| 22:18.32 | war | and resync/etc, no |
| 22:18.41 | war | I used to run 400GB x 10 IDE |
| 22:18.42 | jelly-home | war: a single disk here does about 50MB/s (maybe more but backup's running at present) |
| 22:18.47 | PumpkinPie | war: wha? no write? its 130 mbs bus only in one direction? I have not heard of ? |
| 22:18.50 | war | I would get 100-120MB/s reads and 37-40MB/s writes |
| 22:18.53 | war | PumpkinPie: no you are missing something |
| 22:18.57 | war | PumpkinPie: with raid0 YES |
| 22:19.03 | war | PumpkinPie: with raid5= PARITY info |
| 22:19.13 | war | PumpkinPie: it has to write all the parity info all over before it can write the data to the disk |
| 22:19.17 | PumpkinPie | war: that doesn't have anything to do with bus speed.. I was just asking about bus speed |
| 22:19.18 | war | jelly: here it is |
| 22:19.26 | *** part/#debian atk_ (n=tommi@tuomi.oulu.fi) |
| 22:19.27 | war | PumpkinPie: what do you expect for the dires youhave |
| 22:19.28 | *** part/#debian ieugen_mutulica (n=mutulica@86.106.99.42) |
| 22:19.30 | war | jelly-home: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 58.7955 seconds, 183 MB/s |
| 22:19.37 | war | jelly: that is with 5 400GB drives on PCI-e controllers |
| 22:19.41 | war | raid5 128k chunk size |
| 22:19.41 | PumpkinPie | war: you can do that with a really bad pci slot |
| 22:19.59 | Roey | war: ok |
| 22:20.01 | war | jelly-home: checking read now |
| 22:20.04 | Roey | pumpkinpie, war, pumpkinwar |
| 22:20.06 | war | PumpkinPie: PCI sucks goats :P |
| 22:20.13 | Roey | pumpkinjelly,etc. |
| 22:20.15 | Roey | I'm going home |
| 22:20.18 | Roey | see yall ;) |
| 22:20.19 | war | Roey: k see ya |
| 22:20.20 | Roey | an thanks |
| 22:20.22 | war | np. |
| 22:20.26 | jelly-home | war: shiny! I'll have to try my Vortex in softraid first. It was configured in a hurry (read "lazy admin"). |
| 22:20.40 | war | jelly-home: the key factor for me was |
| 22:20.49 | war | jelly-home: "stripe_cache_size" |
| 22:20.49 | jelly-home | war: and yes vortex = ICP/Intel |
| 22:20.56 | PumpkinPie | I might setup raid5 on a 32 bit pci slot and I should be able to get 100 MB/s read and ill be happy with that, three sata drives |
| 22:20.59 | war | and the other two things I mentioned |
| 22:21.07 | war | p34:/r2# dd if=10gb of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10240 -> 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 59.0345 seconds, 182 MB/s |
| 22:21.10 | war | PumpkinPie: hmm |
| 22:21.12 | *** join/#debian threw (n=dnanar@lns-bzn-30-82-253-155-241.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 22:21.14 | jelly-home | war, right, I'm reading the thread |
| 22:21.16 | war | PumpkinPie: if its on a single slot, maybe. |
| 22:21.17 | threw | hi all ! |
| 22:21.28 | war | jelly-home: yeah but I didnt include the slower 400gb drives in that thread ;) |
| 22:21.38 | PumpkinPie | 130 mb/s is the speed of 32 bit pci bus isn't it? |
| 22:21.41 | war | PumpkinPie: 133 |
| 22:21.43 | blahdeblah | war: It's been a long time since i tested a VIA machine, but i seem to recall an Athlon 1800+ being slower than a P4 1500. |
| 22:22.05 | PumpkinPie | im fine with 130 if I can get that... using a lsi logic card |
| 22:22.05 | war | blahdeblah: depends, for I/O? for CPU? for?. . |
| 22:22.11 | war | PumpkinPie: hmm |
| 22:22.18 | blahdeblah | war: RAM speed - like you asked above |
| 22:22.25 | war | blahdeblah: ahh |
| 22:22.31 | blahdeblah | war: (Given the same RAM specs) |
| 22:22.31 | war | blahdeblah: yeah-- depends on the configuration I suppose |
| 22:22.40 | war | PumpkinPie: if you use raid0 you will get that |
| 22:22.45 | war | PumpkinPie: raid5, good question |
| 22:22.59 | PumpkinPie | war: read speed, I should be able to |
| 22:23.00 | war | PumpkinPie: I spread my drives across pci bus, so I could test my writes but they wont be good probably |
| 22:23.03 | war | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 22:23.12 | war | PumpkinPie: read speed you will get 100-120MB/s no problem |
| 22:23.14 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (n=yogurt2u@200.117.254.94) |
| 22:23.58 | war | PumpkinPie: or should be able to anyway |
| 22:24.01 | sparr | why does installing php5-cli require me to uninstall libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 22:24.04 | PumpkinPie | being that a drive operates at a near 40/50 mb and I have three drives its not like its much of a bottle neck to use 32 bit slot |
| 22:24.14 | *** join/#debian RypPn` (n=TuMbL@dsl82-163-59-38.as15444.net) |
| 22:24.15 | war | sw raid or hardware btw? |
| 22:24.19 | war | icp vortex= hardware right? |
| 22:24.37 | *** join/#debian GreenCult (n=GreenCul@200.60.98.244) |
| 22:24.45 | PumpkinPie | war: icp is hardware yeah.. I would use lsi logic which is hardware also |
| 22:24.47 | threw | does anyone know how to list process which are using /dev/hda3 please ? |
| 22:24.55 | war | threat2: lsof | grep hda3 is one way |
| 22:24.57 | krazykit | threw: lsof |
| 22:24.58 | DukeDrake | re |
| 22:25.01 | war | PumpkinPie: ah. |
| 22:25.02 | *** join/#debian Th3On3 (n=fmanuel@193.136.157.70) |
| 22:25.08 | Th3On3 | hello there... |
| 22:25.14 | DukeDrake | how can I find out which other modules there are, named "cyrix*"? |
| 22:25.22 | RypPn` | good |
| 22:25.38 | war | I am running a smal benchmark right now on my PCI box |
| 22:25.41 | Th3On3 | Doxygen app seg faults when i try to gererate perldoc |
| 22:25.48 | PumpkinPie | war: why did you need to configure such a computer? |
| 22:25.52 | war | 400GB x 6 (Raid5) SW raid, untweaked, defaults except 128k chunk, appears ~60mb/s |
| 22:25.55 | Th3On3 | Someone knows about this??? |
| 22:25.58 | amphi | DukeDrake: kernel modules? |
| 22:26.00 | war | PumpkinPie: I am obsessed with disks and I/O |
| 22:26.01 | threw | krazykit, war, ok works well thanks :) |
| 22:26.04 | war | PumpkinPie: hobby, etc |
| 22:26.07 | PumpkinPie | war: wtf |
| 22:26.10 | war | threw, cool |
| 22:26.23 | war | PumpkinPie: also I normally buy disks when they are on sale |
| 22:26.27 | DukeDrake | amphi: well.. I'm a linux beginner... and I'm trying to configure X |
| 22:26.27 | war | 400gb for $99 sata2 etc |
| 22:26.28 | war | seagate |
| 22:26.33 | PumpkinPie | war: I do it for business |
| 22:26.38 | PumpkinPie | wtf |
| 22:26.40 | war | PumpkinPie: I do backups for business |
| 22:26.41 | DukeDrake | And "cyrix" worked as screen driver.. |
| 22:26.48 | war | PumpkinPie: so disk speed is also an issue there as well |
| 22:26.48 | PumpkinPie | where could you get that drive for 100 dollars? |
| 22:26.54 | DukeDrake | but maybe there's a better one? |
| 22:26.55 | war | PumpkinPie: it was on sale awhile ago at outpost.com |
| 22:26.58 | PumpkinPie | oh well I bought three of them for 130 each... not that far off |
| 22:27.01 | war | PumpkinPie: you got to keep up with the deals ;) |
| 22:27.04 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thmss@AAmiens-153-1-3-77.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:27.05 | *** join/#debian BeBrA` (n=E3sf2@host74-186.pool8250.interbusiness.it) |
| 22:27.07 | BeBrA` | hello! do you know a sniffer able to save files trasnfered using http? |
| 22:27.11 | war | 5368709120 bytes (5.4 GB) copied, 89.4899 seconds, 60.0 MB/s (using SW raid on untweaked raid5 on PCI bus) |
| 22:27.16 | war | BeBrA`: ettercap or ngrep |
| 22:27.25 | Th3On3 | Doxygen app seg faults when i try to gererate perldoc? who works with doxygen ?? |
| 22:27.26 | war | BeBrA`: ngrep -d eth1 port 80 |
| 22:27.30 | war | BeBrA`: will show you in plain text |
| 22:27.33 | war | BeBrA`: everything |
| 22:27.47 | PumpkinPie | war: want to build servers for me as a hobby ? |
| 22:27.50 | war | PumpkinPie: lol |
| 22:27.51 | *** join/#debian Daishi (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:27.59 | BeBrA` | war: yes, that i know, what I mean is to save html, jpg and all file transfered |
| 22:28.11 | war | PumpkinPie: I have a full time job, + go to school 2-3 nights/week it is just that I have been on vacation ;p |
| 22:28.24 | PumpkinPie | war: you should see my office.. and see it for 5 days a week.. its like a full time hobby |
| 22:28.28 | *** part/#debian Th3On3 (n=fmanuel@193.136.157.70) |
| 22:28.34 | war | ha |
| 22:28.51 | PumpkinPie | Ill give you whatever you want man.. you get to work for free |
| 22:29.11 | *** join/#debian [shorty114] (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 22:29.36 | war | funny guy pumpkin pie :P what do you do anyway/do you work for a large company /sysadmin/or what is your title/etc? |
| 22:30.54 | PumpkinPie | owner of communications company, Los Angeles |
| 22:31.01 | *** join/#debian pe3r (n=1107@ip70-160-228-135.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 22:31.02 | war | wow |
| 22:31.30 | jelly-home | jair: did you get that vnc on :0 working? |
| 22:31.41 | *** join/#debian Kuko (n=kuko@wnpgmb01dc2-133-156.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:33.06 | *** join/#debian multi_io (n=olaf@rosa.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) |
| 22:33.57 | m0rbid | jelly-home: Im going to install another NIC tonight so I can assign it a local IP as well. then from ssh I can work on the public. |
| 22:34.07 | *** join/#debian ecuador (n=ecuador@ear61.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 22:34.11 | DukeDrake | seriously: how can I finde out, which grafic modules are available in my kernel? |
| 22:34.19 | DukeDrake | graphic |
| 22:34.22 | *** join/#debian maxxle (n=maxxle@pD95EB562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:35.08 | threw | cant i really create more than 4 partition ?!! |
| 22:35.15 | jelly-home | m0rbid: ah, you also have a local NAT-ed network? |
| 22:35.30 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 22:35.39 | amphi | threw: not primary, no |
| 22:35.47 | m0rbid | jelly-home: Yeah, Ill more in depth in a second |
| 22:35.56 | threw | amphi, arf, why please ? |
| 22:36.06 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 22:36.11 | amphi | DukeDrake: kernel modules can be found with modprobe -l | grep foo |
| 22:36.36 | amphi | threw: hysterical reasons |
| 22:36.40 | DukeDrake | hm |
| 22:36.40 | *** part/#debian maxxle (n=maxxle@pD95EB562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:36.51 | threw | amphi, huh ? |
| 22:37.20 | amphi | threw: you can make an extended partition from a primary, and make logical partitions therein |
| 22:37.44 | DukeDrake | so I guess I'm rather looking for a list of "Drivers" then.,.. |
| 22:38.03 | scruffy | I confuscated all the partitions. No one else can have any! |
| 22:38.08 | threw | amphi, i know but why not a fifth partition ? weird no ? |
| 22:38.22 | jelly-home | threw: no |
| 22:38.38 | threw | it isnt weird ? so why please ? |
| 22:38.47 | amphi | threw: I forget exactly why - teh intarweb knows |
| 22:38.49 | jelly-home | threw: the partition table has a fixed size of 4 (four) partitions, no more, no less |
| 22:38.57 | multi_io | threw: you can have as many secondary partitions as you want, afaik |
| 22:39.18 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 22:39.22 | multi_io | umm "extended" partitions they're called I think |
| 22:39.28 | threw | amphi, "intarweb" ? |
| 22:39.38 | jelly-home | threw: the "extended" partition is a pointer to another, secondary partition table, effectively creating a linked list of partition tables. |
| 22:40.06 | scruffy | threw: teh internets |
| 22:40.15 | DukeDrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.24 | amphi | threw: the tubes, the tubes |
| 22:40.26 | blondie | O.O |
| 22:40.37 | threw | amphi, pipe ? |
| 22:40.38 | blondie | INnERTubes |
| 22:40.54 | multi_io | DukeDrake: graphic driver can also be part of the X server, not the kernel |
| 22:40.59 | jelly-home | threw: thus you can have only 4 "primary" partitions, or any number between 1-3 primary and a lot of logical (secondary) partitions. |
| 22:41.01 | multi_io | *drivers |
| 22:41.02 | *** join/#debian dererk (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 22:41.31 | threw | ok and so: can i boot on an logical partition please ? |
| 22:41.36 | amphi | threw: yes |
| 22:42.00 | *** join/#debian SmallR2002 (n=SmallR20@88-107-73-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 22:42.21 | multi_io | you can have the root filesystem on a logical partition |
| 22:42.26 | threw | ok. mouarf i must copy 2 Gb of a partiotion to another one in order to destroy the first and then create 2 logical partition :( |
| 22:42.43 | multi_io | booting? I don't know. The BIOS must support that, no? |
| 22:42.46 | threw | ah ok, so what difference between logical and primary partition please ? |
| 22:43.22 | jelly-home | multi_io: if the boot loader in the master boot can handle booting from a secondary partition (like lilo and grub can), all is right. |
| 22:43.43 | multi_io | yep. you're right, thanks |
| 22:43.55 | *** join/#debian wizzomafizzo (n=wizzo@unaffiliated/wizzomafizzo) |
| 22:44.00 | jelly-home | multi_io: but you can't use DOS/Windows' master boot sector to boot windows from a secondary partition, they can't handle it. |
| 22:44.19 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.218.254) |
| 22:45.06 | *** part/#debian ecuador (n=ecuador@ear61.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 22:45.36 | Hemingway | jelly-home: i think, this only applies to M$ 9x |
| 22:46.08 | jelly-home | Hemingway: perhaps, but I have never seen 2000 or XP boot from a logical partition |
| 22:47.10 | *** join/#debian [GT]Kane (n=kanechar@CPE001195bc01d4-CM00111ae2c590.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:47.44 | [GT]Kane | did kernal update when loading saw failed eth0 and then did ifconfig there is no eth0 and im new with linux anything i should do or check |
| 22:48.03 | bokey | !clamsmtpd |
| 22:48.05 | *** join/#debian cga (n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 22:48.15 | bokey | !clamsmtp |
| 22:48.30 | [GT]Kane | that to me? |
| 22:48.40 | Hemingway | jelly-home: me2, sine 5 years i stopped splitting my hds in mor parts, because the ammount of data has grown faster than the space on hds |
| 22:48.44 | bokey | [GT]Kane, no |
| 22:48.49 | [GT]Kane | ok sorry im new ;) |
| 22:48.56 | bokey | [GT]Kane, np. ;) |
| 22:49.02 | *** join/#debian Niels- (n=Niels@unaffiliated/niels/x-000003) |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | Hemingway: also, it would imply that Windows 2000+ don't need that active partition bit (which can only be set on a primary partition) |
| 22:49.13 | threw | huh, i have deleted my primary partition, but cfdisk still say me that the free space is "primary" how to switch to an "extended free space" please ? |
| 22:49.30 | bokey | [GT]Kane, i am trying to set my clamsmtp but #clamav is really busy. |
| 22:49.42 | *** join/#debian snowbird (n=Joshua@daphmb01dc1-216-118.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:49.43 | [GT]Kane | ahh |
| 22:49.44 | *** join/#debian Swissgent (n=upvr@84-72-49-121.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:49.51 | jelly-home | threw: which tool are you using? Maybe it can explicitely create an "extended" partition |
| 22:49.53 | [GT]Kane | i did a kernal update and lost my nic |
| 22:50.07 | threw | jelly-home, im using cfdisk |
| 22:50.15 | [GT]Kane | i think i will just format must been a bad update |
| 22:50.20 | *** part/#debian blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-29-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:50.20 | Hemingway | threw: why? |
| 22:50.21 | bokey | [GT]Kane, ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 22:50.21 | threw | jelly-home, but if you have specific tools :) |
| 22:50.27 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 22:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 22:50.37 | jelly-home | threw: just do [New] -> [Logical] |
| 22:50.45 | threw | Hemingway, because its the bette that i found. but you know any better |
| 22:50.48 | [GT]Kane | nah eth0 dont even show up in ifconfig |
| 22:51.02 | bokey | [GT]Kane, umm... |
| 22:51.03 | mzilikazi | threw: cfdisk makes logical drives |
| 22:51.15 | threw | jelly-home, i cant, after selecting New i can only select the size of the partition |
| 22:51.17 | [GT]Kane | no such device ;) |
| 22:51.25 | [GT]Kane | modprobe time maybe |
| 22:51.29 | jelly-home | threw: is the free space at the end? |
| 22:51.45 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 22:51.57 | threw | jelly-home, no, it needs ?! |
| 22:52.02 | jelly-home | threw: or have you deleted a partition somewhere between two existing ones? |
| 22:52.14 | jelly-home | threw: maybe cfdisk thinks it need to be. |
| 22:52.27 | [GT]Kane | Anyone have modprobe for Marvell 88E8001 |
| 22:52.46 | *** join/#debian daveyates (n=daveyate@user-1120h3c.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 22:52.52 | threw | jelly-home, what tool do you use in order to do this kind of stuff please ? |
| 22:53.02 | *** join/#debian LeandroBR (n=leandro@200-100-159-9.dial-up.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:53.21 | jelly-home | threw: do delete/resize/copy, I use a gparted bootable cd |
| 22:53.36 | scruffy | [GT]Kane: try sk98lin |
| 22:53.40 | *** join/#debian fireba11_grr (n=Miranda@p5495A1DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:53.57 | threw | jelly-home, i already tried with gparted, i cant set the partition type to logical too |
| 22:53.59 | *** join/#debian hodgejj (n=hodgejj@68-119-69-123.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) |
| 22:54.27 | jelly-home | threw: have you tried moving the existing partitions to beginning, then creating a new logical one? |
| 22:54.42 | threw | how to do that please ? |
| 22:54.54 | jelly-home | threw: click and drag, I think ;-) |
| 22:55.02 | [GT]Kane | <scruffy> that worked how do i enable eth0 to work and such now |
| 22:55.12 | *** join/#debian Kuko (n=kuko@wnpgmb01dc2-133-156.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:55.37 | threw | jelly-home, but my /home partition cant be unmounted so i need to boot on a live cd ? |
| 22:55.45 | jelly-home | threw: indeed you do. |
| 22:55.56 | threw | arf ok :) |
| 22:56.10 | threw | so you say that you are using gparted cd ? |
| 22:56.38 | jelly-home | threw: you are also STRONGLY advised to create a backup of any important data before messing with any partitioning tool. |
| 22:57.10 | *** join/#debian ki (n=ki_escap@c211-30-82-242.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:57.15 | [GT]Kane | i did ifconfig eth0 up (then did ifconfig eth0 showing a interrupt:17) |
| 22:57.30 | scruffy | [GT]Kane: try /etc/modules |
| 22:57.53 | jelly-home | threw: yeah, gparted livecd is only 30MB or so. Any recent livecd will probably have either gparted or qtparted on it too, but gparted's iso probably uses the freshest versions. |
| 22:58.09 | *** join/#debian alltell (n=alltell@adsl-147-101-129.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:58.13 | ki | Hello! I'm an average linux user who is going to switch to debian as soon as I get my usb controller fixed. |
| 22:59.03 | scruffy | [GT]Kane: if you mean how do you get connected out, you have to have a default route. If you're using DHCP, it should do that for you. If you're static, look into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:59.35 | [GT]Kane | <scruffy> ok that etc modules for it to load at the start im guessing so i just type sk98lin on a line? |
| 22:59.40 | *** join/#debian marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-207-137.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 23:00.03 | scruffy | [GT]Kane: I think so. You'll have to reboot afterward. |
| 23:00.06 | *** part/#debian ram__ (n=nnram@pool-71-117-247-207.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:01.35 | pngwn | ki, there's documentation on debian.org and you can learn a lot by watching this channel scroll |
| 23:01.47 | *** join/#debian smacs (n=smacs@203-214-113-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:01.50 | *** join/#debian cilkay (n=cilkay@CPE00d0b743a22f-CM0011ae01fcbe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:01.51 | threw | jelly-home, ok i have burn the cd, rebboting now bye and merde. |
| 23:02.16 | jelly-home | threw, well, merde to you too I guess. |
| 23:02.43 | *** join/#debian SerajewelKS (n=me@unaffiliated/serajewelks) |
| 23:02.49 | *** join/#debian sanmarcos-trabaj (n=sanmarco@70.88.178.185) |
| 23:02.54 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how can I find out what my packet loss is? |
| 23:03.03 | cilkay | Hello. man debootstrap tells me that I can include additional packages to be installed but that I have to resolve dependencies manually. I presume I would have to do that on an existing system, note which packages are dependents, and include those too. Is that right? |
| 23:03.41 | *** join/#debian cld2 (n=cdickers@159.225.155.25) |
| 23:03.47 | *** join/#debian Alam_Linux (n=Alam@c-24-218-227-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:03.57 | *** join/#debian upvr (n=upvr@84-72-49-121.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:04.23 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: in ifconfig output, take note of these lines: |
| 23:04.25 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.26 | *** kick/#debian [jelly-home!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 23:04.31 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 23:04.32 | scruffy | cilkay: are you familiar with apt-get? I may misunderstand your question. |
| 23:04.38 | jelly-home | cor blimey |
| 23:05.01 | *** join/#debian upvr (n=upvr@84-72-49-121.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: all the numbers right not in packets:244336 are some sort of packet loss, including those in "collisions" (but not txqueuelen) |
| 23:05.59 | ki | thanks pnwn |
| 23:06.12 | cilkay | scruffy: I am familiar with it, yes. debootsrap is something else. I'm using debootstrap to install Etch into a Xen VPS. I don't have physical access to the machine (it's in a colo facility) so I have to use something like debootstrap. |
| 23:06.35 | *** part/#debian Hemingway (n=knoppix_@pD9E9250A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:06.47 | cilkay | Doing a deboostrap installation installs a minimal system. |
| 23:07.00 | ki | I will definately read the documentation. Does it cover things needed to set it up? How to install my printer/scanner, how to update with ports, how to get 3d accel working in ati, etc? |
| 23:07.07 | ki | I |
| 23:07.08 | cilkay | I then have to go into the minimal system and use apt-get to install a few additional packages. |
| 23:07.25 | ki | 'm not afraid of the command line so that wont be a problem, I just need to know if thats documented and easy. |
| 23:07.34 | cilkay | I'd prefer to specify those additional packages during boostrapping so that I can have a completely automated VPS deployment. |
| 23:07.47 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: so one could estimate packet loss due to physical level reasons to (604+3156/2) / 244336 for receiving and 3156/2 / 154252 for sending |
| 23:07.58 | *** join/#debian Danamania (n=Snak@ppp253-136.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 23:08.02 | scruffy | cilkay: sorry, don't know about that. |
| 23:08.14 | cilkay | I suspect I'll just have to do this iteratively until I get it right. |
| 23:08.33 | jelly-home | sanmarcos-trabaj: there's also packet loss in levels above physical. What are you exactly trying to measure? |
| 23:08.40 | scruffy | cilkay: I'm positive I've seen a discussion on that before, so I wouldn't think it impossible. |
| 23:09.36 | cilkay | I'm sure it's not impossible. I'm just wondering how one manually resolves dependencies. How I'm thinking of doing it is doing an apt-get foo and see if foo has dependents. |
| 23:09.45 | cilkay | If it does, add them to the additional packages list. |
| 23:09.55 | jelly-home | cilkay: how many machines? Have you heard of FAI? |
| 23:10.06 | [GT]Kane | where would the boot logs be located like everything from when starts to when finishes loading os trying look at all the errors |
| 23:10.18 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@host10-172.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 23:10.39 | poncha | [GT]Kane, dmesg |
| 23:10.43 | scruffy | [GT]Kane: some of it is in dmesg, and other information can be obtained through the use of bootlogd |
| 23:10.44 | *** join/#debian fasta (n=fasta@zonnebloem.demon.nl) |
| 23:10.50 | [GT]Kane | ok ty |
| 23:11.03 | *** join/#debian D4N (n=D4N@dialup-4.232.54.223.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 23:11.34 | cilkay | jelly-home: I've heard of FAI. I don't remember why I dismissed it. How many machines? It's basically on-demand. We might get a few orders for an Etch VPS per day so I'm just trying to make the provisioning process simpler. |
| 23:11.40 | *** join/#debian Evil_Ed (n=edward@dialup-4.232.54.223.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 23:12.24 | fasta | When I click on a hyperlink in Iceweasel on <url>/foo.php?a=123 it asks whether I want to save it or Cancel, how can I convince it to just open the file by asking via the standard dialog I get when I open e.g. a PDF file? |
| 23:12.38 | jelly-home | cilkay: oh. so you could do away with creating an image once then reusing it? |
| 23:13.12 | cilkay | jelly-home: I remember why I had dismissed it. FAI requires a special kernel. I'm not sure how well that would work with Xen. |
| 23:13.40 | cilkay | jelly-home: the objective is to automate the installation so that we can eventually just have a web front-end to provision a virtual server. |
| 23:13.44 | *** join/#debian p0seidon (n=poseidon@ntchba103215.chba.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) |
| 23:14.00 | jelly-home | cilkay: there was a way to supply all the answers to debconf and some more simple customizations to debootstrap, lemme see if I can dig it up |
| 23:14.04 | pngwn | ki, there's documentation on debian.org and you can learn a lot by watching this channel scroll |
| 23:14.48 | *** join/#debian paples (n=paples@206.Red-88-0-90.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:14.52 | *** join/#debian TuxMeister (n=Elive_us@87.219.96.246) |
| 23:14.53 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 23:15.05 | scruffy | fasta: check the preferences, look under (possibly) Downloads, then View/Edit Actions. Set the action for PDFs there. |
| 23:15.07 | cilkay | jelly-home: --include= is the way you specify additional packages for debootstrap to install. |
| 23:15.12 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL (n=ahrasyl@AOrleans-151-1-123-1.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:15.23 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua__ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-16-208.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:15.28 | fasta | scruffy: I think the problem is a misconfigured web server |
| 23:15.45 | fasta | scruffy: and you misunderstood my question |
| 23:16.20 | scruffy | fasta: so the server isn't parsing the PHP, is that what the problem is? |
| 23:16.55 | PumpkinPie | whats a 64 bit or pci-x slot max speed? |
| 23:17.03 | enyc | Hrrm.... anybody know howto view 'iff' amiga pictures? |
| 23:17.12 | sparr | why does installing php5-cli require me to uninstall libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 23:17.17 | fasta | scruffy: no, it's sends the wrong MIME type |
| 23:17.33 | fasta | it sends, even |
| 23:17.34 | cilkay | Another reason why FAI won't work with provisioning a Xen VPS is that it expects to be installed on physical hardware. It expects PXE booting. |
| 23:17.34 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481DDCD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:17.45 | *** join/#debian dr-online (n=dr-onlin@HSI-KBW-085-216-005-136.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 23:17.48 | scruffy | fasta: you're right, I don't understand the question. |
| 23:18.03 | n3kl | Hi |
| 23:18.09 | jelly-home | cilkay: FAI looks like it has a steep learning curve (read awfully complicated), but it looks like there's some support for Xen |
| 23:18.12 | jelly-home | http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_XEN_domains |
| 23:18.18 | n3kl | Anyone know of a good wireless network manager for X? |
| 23:18.31 | jjazz | n3kl: wifiradar |
| 23:18.52 | cilkay | jelly-home: thank you. I'm reading now. |
| 23:18.55 | *** join/#debian nt0x (i=m0rbid@24-38-64-180-st.albyny.adelphia.net) |
| 23:19.00 | *** join/#debian pathway (n=admin@164.116.107.39) |
| 23:19.31 | n3kl | jjazz: wpa capable? |
| 23:19.32 | *** part/#debian fasta (n=fasta@zonnebloem.demon.nl) |
| 23:19.41 | jjazz | n3kl: I believe so. |
| 23:19.54 | jjazz | n3kl: But I don't recall off hand. |
| 23:21.00 | pathway | I just downloaded net-install etch RC1... and it doesn't have drivers for my SCSI card... how hard is it to make a custom install cd? |
| 23:21.25 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 23:21.47 | jelly-home | n3kl: wpa_gui is wpa capable (who'd say), but not much more |
| 23:22.06 | *** join/#debian xingu (n=xingu@host86-142-209-17.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:23.26 | *** join/#debian shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 23:23.40 | *** join/#debian cubiq (n=cubiq@h-168-3.A192.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 23:23.50 | *** part/#debian ki (n=ki_escap@c211-30-82-242.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:23.56 | *** join/#debian Xorm (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-182-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 23:24.54 | pathway | Perhaps a better question would be... how do I get the adp84xx or adp94xx driver? |
| 23:25.09 | cilkay | jelly-home: XenoBoot http://www.xenoservers.net/about/xenoboot.html looks pretty interesting too. |
| 23:25.43 | *** part/#debian TuxMeister (n=Elive_us@87.219.96.246) |
| 23:26.12 | *** join/#debian behuter (n=dwayne@64-42-247-120.mb.skyweb.ca) |
| 23:26.12 | n3kl | what packages do I needto get wireless working. I have my module loaded and firmware installed, but I don't think its working. ifconfig eth1 works |
| 23:26.55 | *** join/#debian SnuS (n=dan@86.34.239.170) |
| 23:27.29 | SnuS | My mysql keeps crashing with this error. http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=4412. I'm running debian with the 5.0.30-3 package. |
| 23:27.37 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.160.193.87) |
| 23:27.45 | SnuS | *PS: Sorry for being rude. Hello* |
| 23:27.54 | *** join/#debian mk3y (n=mkey@pD9E361C2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:27.58 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-180-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:28.48 | *** join/#debian Mark_Iron (n=Mark_Iro@p5483F573.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:30.02 | cilkay | SnuS: Must you use MySQL? |
| 23:30.05 | [GT]Kane | its not rude better when i do i take peoples family hostage till my issues are solved. |
| 23:30.50 | SnuS | cilkay: Yep. But I never had issues with it before. It crashes about daily now. |
| 23:31.20 | *** join/#debian Sparda (n=Sparda@dyn-88-123-230-75.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 23:31.31 | karsten | Proper configuration of a Jaz drive under Linux: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/jaz-linux1.jpg |
| 23:31.44 | jjazz | People still use jaz drives? |
| 23:31.54 | tarzeau | jjazz: yuck, i doubt |
| 23:32.02 | karsten | jjazz: See image. |
| 23:32.07 | jjazz | tarzeau: I have several zip drives if anybody wants one |
| 23:32.16 | karsten | jjazz: I'd say that that was one well and properly used jaz drive. |
| 23:32.38 | jjazz | karsten: Ah, yes. Trying out for Office Space 2? |
| 23:32.40 | n3kl | what is that really good wireless monitors name??? |
| 23:32.59 | karsten | n3kl: kismet |
| 23:33.06 | n3kl | karsten: yeah, thanks |
| 23:33.07 | karsten | jjazz: Why? |
| 23:33.19 | jjazz | karsten: When you see it, you'll understand. |
| 23:33.21 | blondie | a wireless monitor?! |
| 23:33.25 | cilkay | Anyone know if it is possible to specify the kernel that should be used on the next boot with GRUB? I know it can be done with lilo but I have to use GRUB (Xen only works with GRUB). |
| 23:33.36 | n3kl | karsten: is there an office space 2? |
| 23:33.43 | blondie | erm actually... isnt that called a TV :) |
| 23:33.47 | jjazz | n3kl: No. It was a joke. |
| 23:33.50 | karsten | blondie: monitoring tool for wifi networks. Not a wireless display. |
| 23:34.01 | karsten | blondie: ... though technically I *do* believe the latter exist. |
| 23:34.23 | n3kl | jjazz: ah |
| 23:34.25 | blondie | DVI over IP over 802.11g? :P |
| 23:34.29 | karsten | cilkay: IIRC 'onetime' 'last' or 'saved' GRUB options. RTFM and I'm probably wrong on syntax but right on general idea. |
| 23:34.36 | karsten | jjazz: PC Paper Load? |
| 23:34.49 | karsten | jjazz: ... or was it just "PC Load Paper". |
| 23:34.56 | jjazz | karsten: PC Load Letter |
| 23:35.00 | karsten | Righ, right. |
| 23:35.05 | n3kl | how do I start pptp vpn in linux? |
| 23:35.12 | jelly-home | cilkay: only on the next boot, or each time? :-) |
| 23:35.17 | blondie | n3kl: client? |
| 23:35.20 | karsten | blondie: Heh WRT TV. |
| 23:35.24 | n3kl | blondie: any sugestions? |
| 23:35.34 | blondie | "client?" |
| 23:35.44 | blondie | "do you mean a VPN client" |
| 23:35.59 | *** join/#debian ajdlinux (n=ajdlinux@9.87.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:36.00 | kakalto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.02 | cilkay | jelly-home: only on the next boot. This is useful when you're doing a remote update and screw something up. |
| 23:36.19 | jelly-home | cilkay: I understand (and have no answer) |
| 23:36.24 | blondie | kakalto_: if you're using etch it just works |
| 23:36.28 | blondie | not with sarge though |
| 23:36.34 | cilkay | GRUB has the cursed info pages. I know man but info pages just baffle me. |
| 23:36.35 | kakalto_ | ahk thanks |
| 23:36.36 | ajdlinux | does anyone know of a way to determine your northbridge and southbridge in software? |
| 23:36.41 | karsten | kakalto_: FUSE is deprecated. Use circuit breakers instead. |
| 23:36.43 | jjazz | kakalto_: fuse modules exis |
| 23:36.45 | jjazz | exist |
| 23:36.51 | karsten | ajdlinux: dmidecode IIRC. |
| 23:36.54 | *** join/#debian ahattar (i=ahattar@189.sub-70-198-216.myvzw.com) |
| 23:37.14 | kakalto_ | karsten: har har. :P |
| 23:37.57 | ahattar | hey, anyone familier with minicom, i have com1 and com2 in debian how to switch between them? |
| 23:38.12 | karsten | ahattar: minicom -s <port> IIRC. |
| 23:38.15 | ajdlinux | karsten: what would a northbridge and southbridge look like in dmidecode? |
| 23:38.23 | *** join/#debian FaithX (n=faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) |
| 23:38.27 | xingu | ahattar: or c-a c-o |
| 23:38.29 | ahattar | karsten u r the best |
| 23:38.31 | karsten | ahattar: You can't switch dynamically.... or if you can, invoke the command interface. |
| 23:38.36 | [GT]Kane | what does debian use to search and download packages |
| 23:38.42 | ajdlinux | apt-get |
| 23:38.48 | [GT]Kane | ty |
| 23:38.48 | ajdlinux | and apt-cache |
| 23:38.49 | karsten | [GT]Kane: apt-get / apt-cache |
| 23:38.50 | jelly-home | ahattar: com1 == /dev/ttyS0 , com2 == /dev/ttyS1 . There are exceptions, sometimes |
| 23:38.55 | [GT]Kane | ty |
| 23:39.01 | jjazz | [GT]Kane: And apt-file |
| 23:39.17 | karsten | jjazz: ... and auto-apt, which is faster than apt-file. |
| 23:39.22 | ajdlinux | [GT]Kane: and there are GUIs like kpackage and synaptic |
| 23:39.28 | *** join/#debian bokey (n=~CORNETO@unaffiliated/bokey) |
| 23:39.42 | [GT]Kane | no guis ty |
| 23:39.50 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45702ff2.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 692] by debhelper |
| 23:40.06 | ajdlinux | [GT]Kane: especially not for apt! |
| 23:40.11 | eldowan | when I start X the Xorg process is using 99.9% of time, and not responding to a kill. How can I recover from this? I am root through ssh. |
| 23:40.24 | jjazz | karsten: auto-apt looks... scary |
| 23:40.27 | cilkay | karsten: it's the "fallback" mechanism I'm looking for. Thanks. I found it. |
| 23:40.41 | *** join/#debian freeman_tr (n=uNdOnE@88.240.6.29) |
| 23:40.45 | jjazz | eldowan: kill -9? |
| 23:40.49 | karsten | jjazz: auto-apt search is powerful and hashed. Ergo: much faster than apt-file. |
| 23:40.57 | karsten | jjazz: The other stuff _is_ sorta scary. |
| 23:40.59 | jjazz | karsten: It's the automatic installation part I find scary |
| 23:41.00 | cilkay | eldowan: init 3 |
| 23:41.01 | karsten | cilkay: OK. |
| 23:41.10 | freeman_tr | Ok |
| 23:41.10 | karsten | jjazz: It _does_ ask first. |
| 23:41.20 | eldowan | kill -9 just locked the system. using the pid of Xorg of course... |
| 23:41.21 | ahattar | kool thnx jelly |
| 23:41.25 | karsten | jjazz: Most useful when attempting to compile third-party sources. |
| 23:41.31 | jjazz | karsten: I guess that might be ok. |
| 23:41.43 | jjazz | karsten: What if you're not at the CLI? |
| 23:41.48 | karsten | eldowan: Might be X / GPU driver issues. |
| 23:41.55 | karsten | jjazz: ?? |
| 23:42.00 | *** part/#debian freeman_tr (n=uNdOnE@88.240.6.29) |
| 23:42.07 | eldowan | it is I think. It works fine using the ati driver, but locks up using the fglrx the debian way... |
| 23:42.10 | jjazz | karsten: How does it ask if you're not at the CLI? Pop up a little window? |
| 23:42.25 | karsten | Um. I think it prompts to whatever's stdin/out for the process in question. Not sure what happens for noninteractive processes or GUIs not started from CLI. |
| 23:42.40 | karsten | jjazz: I usualy just use it with make, if at all. |
| 23:42.45 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-046-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:42.49 | jjazz | karsten: Makes sense. |
| 23:42.53 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481DDCD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:43.10 | jjazz | Might be good with new perl scripts to get libfoo-perl packages |
| 23:43.23 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 23:43.29 | karsten | "use taint"! |
| 23:43.31 | *** part/#debian ajdlinux (n=ajdlinux@9.87.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:43.43 | *** join/#debian Wazm (n=nobody@62-31-189-24.cable.ubr03.jarr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:44.25 | [GT]Kane | uhh |
| 23:44.28 | [GT]Kane | i miss yum hehe |
| 23:45.16 | eldowan | speaking of food, i'm going to heat up some chili. |
| 23:45.21 | karsten | [GT]Kane: No. You *think* you miss yum. |
| 23:45.35 | jjazz | [GT]Kane: *that* is funnt |
| 23:45.38 | jjazz | funny. even |
| 23:45.41 | karsten | [GT]Kane: This is a temporary condition. |
| 23:45.42 | eldowan | you don't even know how much you love apt yet |
| 23:45.44 | SnuS | Computer, did we bring batterier? Computer? |
| 23:45.46 | karsten | Heh. |
| 23:45.54 | xingu | yum yum gimme some? |
| 23:46.08 | *** join/#debian pe3r (n=1107@ip70-160-228-135.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 23:46.31 | karsten | [GT]Kane: /msg dpkg debian system. Great book. |
| 23:46.38 | karsten | (and not just 'coz I'm in it) |
| 23:46.39 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@e179017125.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:48.10 | *** join/#debian Cholito (n=alejandr@87.218.67.184) |
| 23:48.11 | DukeDrake | how do I set my locale? |
| 23:48.18 | blondie | !locale |
| 23:48.18 | dpkg | locale is probably something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 23:48.21 | karsten | DukeDrake: Appropriately. |
| 23:48.41 | DukeDrake | well |
| 23:48.42 | karsten | DukeDrake: update-locale; dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 23:48.48 | karsten | DukeDrake: That too. |
| 23:49.09 | DukeDrake | thanx =) |
| 23:49.17 | karsten | DukeDrake: ... "export LANG=<value>" in your shell init for per-user configs. |
| 23:49.21 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=snoopy@p57A09E26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:50.00 | *** join/#debian paulcager (n=paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:50.00 | *** join/#debian rBo3Db (n=psm@88.118.178.245) |
| 23:50.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 23:50.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 23:50.37 | DukeDrake | karsten: the last one did it... |
| 23:50.56 | *** join/#debian samuel_ (n=samuel@189.134.32.11) |
| 23:51.15 | karsten | This for a simple file viewer... |
| 23:51.27 | xingu | thank ${deity} for pagers |
| 23:51.27 | a-atwood | more or less |
| 23:51.31 | *** join/#debian cubiq (n=cubiq@h-168-3.A192.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 23:51.40 | karsten | a-atwood: most |
| 23:51.43 | xingu | more sucks use pg |
| 23:51.45 | biopyte | hi. anybody could recommend a nice game.deb except for quake,doom,tetris,tuxracer,powermanga? :-) |
| 23:51.46 | DukeDrake | hm... ping is taking kind of long... |
| 23:52.01 | tarzeau | biopyte: brutalchess supertransball2 |
| 23:52.06 | karsten | biopyte: irc |
| 23:52.09 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-51-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:52.13 | biopyte | in the mood playing some fancy game |
| 23:52.21 | jetscreamer | tremulous |
| 23:52.21 | karsten | biopyte: freeciv |
| 23:52.24 | tarzeau | biopyte: mazeofgalious pathogen nethack antigrav briquolo |
| 23:52.33 | biopyte | tarzeau, karsten: thanks :-) |
| 23:52.35 | tarzeau | biopyte: dodgindiamond2 |
| 23:52.35 | karsten | frozen-bubble |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | nexiuz ? |
| 23:53.07 | jetscreamer | most of what they listed i thought sucked, but ymmv and everyassho has his opinion (me) |
| 23:53.23 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 23:53.39 | jetscreamer | vegastrike is ok to kil time but gets boring quick |
| 23:53.45 | jetscreamer | a week or two maybe |
| 23:53.51 | xingu | chromium! |
| 23:53.58 | jetscreamer | chromium rocks |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | enigma |
| 23:54.26 | jetscreamer | torcs |
| 23:54.29 | jetscreamer | vdrift |
| 23:54.32 | eldowan | If I change an existing user's uid on a new system, will there be any adverse effects? |
| 23:54.35 | karsten | xlander! |
| 23:54.44 | karsten | eldowan: Orphaned files. |
| 23:54.51 | jetscreamer | gltron is cool looking |
| 23:55.13 | karsten | eldowan: Though what you mean by "existing user" and "new system" isn't quite clear. Explain how you get an existing user on a new system. |
| 23:55.17 | jetscreamer | there's a nice defender clone but i forget the name |
| 23:55.18 | *** join/#debian Philluminati (n=Phillumi@host86-129-43-100.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:55.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen this game? http://www.eternal-lands.com/page/music.php they've got some really nice music (classical style) |
| 23:55.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i like medieval cradle a lot |
| 23:55.54 | *** join/#debian yassine (n=yassine@xdsl-84-44-155-106.netcologne.de) |
| 23:55.55 | jetscreamer | critical mass |
| 23:56.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/music/medieval_cradle.ogg |
| 23:56.14 | eldowan | I installed etch lastnight, and am trying to get mythtv setup. mythtv sets up the mythtv user with a uid of like 110. I want the mythtv user to be shown on the kdm user list, but it will only show uid > 1000. |
| 23:56.15 | *** part/#debian cld2 (n=cdickers@159.225.155.25) |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | ask #mythtv |
| 23:56.44 | jetscreamer | there's mythtv.org also |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: too bad the license isn't DFSG |
| 23:57.45 | x_link | I don't know if I asked this question before. |
| 23:57.50 | x_link | http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=limewirejn5.png |
| 23:58.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah , maybe one can deal with them? |
| 23:58.06 | biopyte | do you think saving /etc, ~/.configfile and a list of the installed packages is sufficient to clone a current system exactly onto another machine? |
| 23:58.06 | *** join/#debian Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@69.251.233.242) |
| 23:58.06 | x_link | I have that problem, when I want to open LimeWire I can't see anything, the whole window is grey. |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'd have to ask them |
| 23:58.16 | *** join/#debian Masqy (n=kfirb@bzq-84-110-215-245.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:58.29 | x_link | Could somebody please take a look on that URL and see if they can come up with anything, I would really appreciate it? |
| 23:58.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know, i'll try (i mean a simple mail isn't too hard to write) |
| 23:58.35 | biopyte | or are there any debs for such kind of thing? |
| 23:58.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: read #8 |
| 23:59.06 | x_link | I downloaded Frostwire and that's almost the same thing as LimeWire, it worked the first time I used it after the installation, but the second time I wanted to start it then it got like that as well. |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | biopyte: rsync ? |
| 23:59.13 | *** join/#debian jetx (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 23:59.21 | Masqy | What is the firefox version used in latest Debian? |
| 23:59.29 | Gnurdux | 2.0 |
| 23:59.33 | blondie | 1.5 |
| 23:59.34 | karsten | !tell Masqy about search |
| 23:59.46 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (n=CyberGab@g148219.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 23:59.47 | Gnurdux | 2.0 in testing |
| 23:59.49 | karsten | 0.75 |
| 23:59.54 | blondie | Gnurdux: it's not 2.0 |
| 23:59.59 | Gnurdux | yes it is |
