| 00:00.09 | tarzeau | unstable has iceweasel 2.0.0.1 |
| 00:00.11 | Gnurdux | Iceweasel = firefox 2.0 |
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| 00:00.28 | biopyte | abrotman: without network connection to the original system. |
| 00:00.30 | blondie | no, it's 1.5 |
| 00:00.33 | tarzeau | firefox is just a transition package (at least in sid) |
| 00:00.49 | abrotman | biopyte: you can rsync to things other than networks |
| 00:00.54 | blondie | DAMMIT |
| 00:00.59 | Masqy | If I install latest stable, do I get 1.5 or 2.0? |
| 00:00.59 | tarzeau | x_link: is it also java? |
| 00:01.06 | blondie | iceweasel isn't in testing |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | !info firefox etch |
| 00:01.08 | blondie | Masqy: no |
| 00:01.09 | tarzeau | Masqy: neither |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | Masqy:neither |
| 00:01.15 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 00:01.31 | x_link | tarzeau: yes. But I have downloaded the latest java. |
| 00:01.33 | blondie | Masqy: you get 1.0.4 |
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| 00:01.45 | x_link | tarzeau: 4 guys have tried to help me so far, nobody has been able to fix this. |
| 00:01.45 | blondie | abrotman: I'm upset. |
| 00:02.01 | tarzeau | x_link: i don't care, limewire works. and when it needs java, it's crap anyways |
| 00:02.06 | x_link | tarzeau: And I really want/need that program. But I can't fix it on my own, cause I don't know what the problem is. |
| 00:02.15 | x_link | tarzeau: Okey. |
| 00:02.16 | tarzeau | x_link: tried ktorrent yet? |
| 00:02.22 | Masqy | blondie: oh.. That's an old one by now.. The test version is quite stable though, right? |
| 00:02.28 | x_link | Yes, But I want this P2P program. |
| 00:02.37 | blondie | Masqy: more or less |
| 00:02.39 | x_link | I don't like Ktorrent. All my downloads are sooo slow with it. |
| 00:02.40 | abrotman | blondie: why ? |
| 00:02.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: brahms is dull, isn't he? i mean his music |
| 00:02.43 | blondie | Masqy: but it's 1.5 not 2 |
| 00:02.46 | eldowan | abrotman: Oh wait. I forgot mythtv wasnt in the repo proper... sorry |
| 00:02.46 | buu | I don't think firefox is allowed to claim 'lightweight web browser' any more. |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: depends what you're looking for |
| 00:02.53 | tarzeau | buu: full ack |
| 00:02.56 | blondie | abrotman: because someone left before I could tell them how wrong they were |
| 00:02.57 | tarzeau | buu: tried links2 yet? |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | !tell eldowan about mythtv |
| 00:02.57 | biopyte | abrotman: what i mean is you make a netinstall of debian on a new machine and then make it exactly the same as one you used elsewhere but you cant connect to it, so you have to copy the relevant informnation on a cd. the question is, what information necessary and sufficient to complete the job. |
| 00:03.01 | buu | tarzeau: Yeah, it's hot. |
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| 00:03.18 | abrotman | biopyte: /etc/ maybe stuff in /var/ |
| 00:03.21 | tarzeau | buu: and for music playing? tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 00:03.24 | Masqy | So basically to have firefox 2.0, I have to install unstable? |
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| 00:03.37 | biopyte | ahattar, also /var !? |
| 00:03.37 | eldowan | abrotman: Yeah, I forgot that I got it from multi repo until you said #mythtv |
| 00:03.40 | x_link | tarzeau: HA.. it works now. Just cause I had Beryl running. But when I closed beryl it worked =) |
| 00:03.45 | buu | tarzeau: What does that have to do with firefox? |
| 00:03.48 | blondie | Masqy: well you could install 2.0 from mozilla instead of debian I suppose... |
| 00:04.03 | blondie | Masqy: but don't ask us how :P |
| 00:04.03 | tarzeau | buu: nothing, it's also hot software, that's all |
| 00:04.17 | azeem | x_link: ... |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | biopyte: depends what yu're running |
| 00:04.28 | Masqy | blondie: In that case, I have to compile and work it around, or just dpkg -i foo.deb ? |
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| 00:05.05 | biz | hi, i've mounted a reiserfs partition for some months with noatime,notail for performance issues, can i simply undo this now by just mounting it with 'defaults' in fstab? |
| 00:05.09 | buu | tarzeau: That looks lame. |
| 00:05.10 | blondie | Masqy: I don't know what format it comes in from mozilla |
| 00:05.22 | tarzeau | buu: tried it? what looks? screenshot urls? |
| 00:05.27 | x_link | azeem: ? |
| 00:05.44 | azeem | x_link: well, don't use crackful software like beryl |
| 00:05.44 | abrotman | x_link: ! |
| 00:05.45 | buu | tarzeau: I looked at the screenshots. |
| 00:06.10 | biopyte | abrotman: someone should write a helperprogram named 'clone' that does the job :-). Bundling almost all relevant information to make an exact copy of a current installation. |
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| 00:06.21 | abrotman | there are ways to clone the package |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | packages |
| 00:06.39 | karsten | blondie: I'll trade you a maddening diamond. |
| 00:06.43 | x_link | azeem: crackful ? Not stable you mean? |
| 00:06.50 | azeem | yes |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | biopyte: how are you planning to transfer it ? |
| 00:07.50 | blondie | karsten: very funny! |
| 00:07.57 | bulebule | blondie |
| 00:08.02 | bulebule | can you help me? |
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| 00:08.08 | blondie | erm |
| 00:08.10 | blondie | how? |
| 00:08.16 | abrotman | bulebule: you need to ask a question |
| 00:08.37 | karsten | abrotman: s/a/an intelligent/ |
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| 00:09.10 | biopyte | abrotman: i'm pretty happy with my installation as it is now. but i have to give it, because i'll move overseas. there i probably will by a laptop. would save me some time if i could burn a cd with all important parameters to clone the old system within a minute. |
| 00:09.21 | biopyte | have to give it up |
| 00:09.29 | biopyte | bye |
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| 00:09.59 | Masqy | I saw unstable has firefox 2.0, but, well, just how unstable is it in other aspects? Does it crash? |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | biopyte: uhm .. isn't it kind of .. big ? |
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| 00:11.02 | blondie | bulebule: yes a question is needed |
| 00:11.02 | biopyte | abrotman: why. all you need is the package list, /etc, the config files in ~, anything else? |
| 00:11.02 | h3sp4wn | Masqy: You can run a mixed testing / unstable system |
| 00:11.06 | biopyte | that should work, no? |
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| 00:11.17 | shogunx | biopyte easiest way to do what you want is with a hard drive, not a cd. unless you do it livecd style, which might be interesting. |
| 00:11.20 | theBishop | is there any software similar to GnuCash that's a bit more modern and userfriendly? |
| 00:11.42 | karsten | !unstable |
| 00:11.42 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | biopyte: all your debconf settings ? |
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| 00:12.30 | abrotman | biopyte: your $HOME ? |
| 00:12.30 | biopyte | shogunx: harddrive is ok. so what should i put on it. ok everything ,because we have lots of gigs. but thats brute force ;-) |
| 00:14.48 | biopyte | abrotman: i see there is no systematic approach for that, right? i thought there would be some kind of cloner-program doing this, but that was probably a wrong assumption. it isn'T a big issue anyway. |
| 00:14.57 | biopyte | thank you anyway |
| 00:15.02 | abrotman | biopyte: tar :) |
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| 00:15.15 | Bogus8 | OT, anyone know the law about once you tell a telemarketer to remove you from their list how long of a grace period they have? |
| 00:15.17 | abrotman | biopyte: your most important item is your $HOME |
| 00:15.30 | biopyte | tar what? ok, everthing on a harddrive ;) |
| 00:15.34 | karsten | Bogus8: http://www.junkbusters.com/ |
| 00:15.38 | abrotman | Bogus8: google for it ? |
| 00:15.38 | karsten | Bogus8: That's OT here. |
| 00:15.53 | Bogus8 | I tried.. just state registry list found |
| 00:16.04 | biopyte | abrotman: /etc and the package list are even more important |
| 00:16.04 | abrotman | try harder |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | biopyte: why do you think that ? |
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| 00:16.45 | biopyte | thats obvious, no |
| 00:16.48 | biopyte | ? |
| 00:17.00 | shogunx | biopyte, you can simply replicate the current hard disk on a 2.5 inch drive. there are adapters for like $2-3 for this. |
| 00:17.25 | biopyte | shgunx: i understand. thx. |
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| 00:20.46 | deadcat_ | whats the command to config the entire system? like when you do a d-i |
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| 00:21.12 | abrotman | base-config ? |
| 00:21.16 | deadcat_ | thanks |
| 00:21.43 | biopyte | one final remark, cloning isn't exactly what i meant, because log files and stuff you dont need. just the 'relevant' things. anyway. |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | deadcat_: you know .. you've spent a lot of time here .. one would think you would have learned something :) |
| 00:21.56 | deadcat_ | abrotman: not base-config (= |
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| 00:22.14 | abrotman | deadcat_: what are you trying to configure ? |
| 00:22.32 | deadcat_ | abrotman: the system.. i debootstrapped the machine. but stuff like shadow file is not there and so on |
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| 00:23.04 | h3sp4wn | deadcat_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow passwd (will allow you to setup shadow passwords) |
| 00:23.04 | abrotman | deadcat_: dpkg-reconfigure passwd ? |
| 00:23.07 | abrotman | login ? |
| 00:23.14 | deadcat_ | thanks |
| 00:23.27 | deadcat_ | i am doing the base-config.. i will just go through all those |
| 00:24.12 | bulebule | can you help me pls |
| 00:24.13 | bulebule | ? |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not even a license |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman | !ask |
| 00:24.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:24.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: but the music is nice anyways |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:26.12 | tarzeau | wow minix3 was ported to powerpc |
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| 00:28.51 | x_link | Is it possible to install blackdown java instead of sun? |
| 00:29.00 | blondie | troll |
| 00:29.15 | blondie | x_link: why would you want to? |
| 00:29.47 | x_link | blondie: Cause I use Beryl, and when I have beryl running I can't use LImeWire or any other java programs. |
| 00:29.48 | azeem | x_link: blackdown is no longer maintained upstream |
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| 00:30.06 | x_link | So the people in #Beryl told me to ask #Debian if that's possible. |
| 00:30.08 | azeem | x_link: whine to the beryl developers, please |
| 00:30.13 | azeem | pfft |
| 00:30.19 | azeem | they tell you to install blackdown? |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | x_link: tell them that anyone that uses blackdown is asking for trouble |
| 00:30.25 | x_link | azeem: Yes. |
| 00:30.31 | azeem | x_link: I can't believe it |
| 00:30.31 | x_link | azeem: Okey. |
| 00:30.40 | x_link | abrotman: Okey, |
| 00:30.48 | x_link | Sorry for bother you guys so much with my questions. |
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| 00:32.11 | mptech_ | Does the debian installer daily build use 2.6.18 |
| 00:32.22 | azeem | mptech_: not yet, I think |
| 00:32.29 | mptech_ | hmm |
| 00:32.48 | mptech_ | My motherboard (the p5b deluxe) seems to not work with anything older than 2.6.18 |
| 00:33.04 | mptech_ | the CD drive and ethernet interface aren't recognized |
| 00:33.10 | azeem | mptech_: "not work" as in "doesn't boot"? |
| 00:33.15 | azeem | hrm |
| 00:33.17 | tarzeau | mptech_: do you use it by network or cd? |
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| 00:33.27 | mptech_ | tarzeau, I use the netinst CD |
| 00:33.30 | tarzeau | mptech_: it's not hard to replace the kernel on the netboot images with your own |
| 00:33.52 | mptech_ | tarzeau, I don't have any linux environment to work in right now |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | mptech_: does the daily work ? |
| 00:34.07 | mptech_ | abrotman, I'm downloading that now, I was just wondering if it has 2.6.18 |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | mptech_: you might want to ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 00:34.27 | tarzeau | mptech_: what's specail about your board? the harddisk controller? |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | and check daily issues on the d-i website |
| 00:34.35 | tarzeau | mptech_: or what is it that doesn't work? |
| 00:34.39 | mptech_ | The HD controller and the ethernet controller |
| 00:34.47 | mptech_ | I mean, it recognizes the HD |
| 00:34.49 | tarzeau | mptech_: got the lspci outputs ? |
| 00:34.50 | mptech_ | but not the CD drive |
| 00:34.54 | mptech_ | tarzeau, no |
| 00:35.01 | azeem | mptech_: are you sure 2.6.18 is fine? |
| 00:35.01 | tarzeau | mptech_: oh wait, i think there's something about that in the errate? |
| 00:35.02 | mptech_ | tarzeau, this is a known issue with the p5b deluxe |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | mptech_: ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 00:35.25 | mptech_ | okay |
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| 00:37.08 | dvs | Is etch released yet/ |
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| 00:37.39 | azeem | dvs: no |
| 00:37.44 | mfrisch | dvs: its frozen |
| 00:37.48 | dvs | damn! |
| 00:37.57 | tarzeau | dvs: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ |
| 00:38.03 | tarzeau | dvs: you too can help to fix bugs? |
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| 00:38.59 | dvs | 97 bugs |
| 00:39.58 | Cholito | dvs: a few days ago it was at 92, then 103...now 97 |
| 00:40.00 | Cholito | =( |
| 00:40.11 | dvs | mfrisch: if it's frozen then why are they adding new packages to it? ;-) |
| 00:40.13 | Cholito | let's hope it won't raise again |
| 00:40.29 | dvs | Cholito: don't hold your breath |
| 00:40.43 | Cholito | dvs: I won't =)) |
| 00:40.56 | tarzeau | dvs: new packages to it what? testing? none is added |
| 00:41.06 | tarzeau | Cholito: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
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| 00:41.44 | abrotman | Cholito: then help fix bugs |
| 00:41.45 | dvs | tarzeau: synaptic said that there were when I updated a few minutes ago |
| 00:42.03 | tarzeau | dvs: and you got what? testing? sid? |
| 00:42.08 | dvs | tarzeau: testing |
| 00:42.15 | tarzeau | dvs: testing gets packages that fix rc bugs |
| 00:42.28 | tarzeau | dvs: new packages are packages that weren't in there yet |
| 00:42.51 | dvs | tarzeau: oh. so since it's no release critcal bugs, it's allowed in etch? |
| 00:43.03 | tarzeau | dvs: which package? |
| 00:43.04 | dvs | *it has |
| 00:43.22 | dvs | tarzeau: it was ice something or other. Let me see. |
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| 00:43.43 | tarzeau | dvs: usually not, but that question is a sensible one |
| 00:43.44 | dvs | tarzeau: iceape |
| 00:43.59 | tarzeau | ah the iceretardedness |
| 00:44.00 | mfrisch | dvs: i got that same problem with iceape |
| 00:44.08 | Cholito | abrotman: not just me, let's ALL of us help fix bugs... |
| 00:44.10 | dvs | mfrisch: problem? |
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| 00:44.40 | DukeDrake | re |
| 00:44.47 | karmatronic | hello there |
| 00:44.47 | dvs | fwd |
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| 00:44.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: we don't have iceicebaby yet? |
| 00:44.58 | dvs | heh |
| 00:44.59 | mfrisch | It was trying to overwrite chrome then would flake out during installed |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | no |
| 00:45.46 | DukeDrake | could you point me to an editor for debian that supports syntax highlighting, auto-completion, reg-ex search & replace, multi-document view, and macro recording? |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | vim |
| 00:45.55 | karmatronic | DukeDrake, vim |
| 00:45.57 | jjazz | DukeDrake: emacs |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 00:46.02 | DukeDrake | hm |
| 00:46.05 | karmatronic | DukeDrake, who else |
| 00:46.05 | dvs | xemacs |
| 00:46.19 | DukeDrake | something makes me suspicious to "vim" |
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| 00:46.27 | karmatronic | ? |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | just use it |
| 00:46.29 | dvs | DukeDrake: exactly! |
| 00:46.33 | jjazz | DukeDrake: And well you should be. emacs is what you're looking for. |
| 00:46.41 | dvs | !beer jjazz |
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| 00:46.56 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 00:46.58 | karmatronic | jjazz, emacs is not available on any unix |
| 00:47.01 | jjazz | dvs: Oh, don't pretend you're on my side, you... xemacs user. |
| 00:47.03 | jjazz | ;) |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | DukeDrake: try vi and emacs .. see which you prefer |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | erm .. vijm |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | vim! |
| 00:47.44 | DukeDrake | well... let's try another aproach : Ctrl+h should be search&replace, Ctrl+Space should be auto completion |
| 00:47.54 | eisen | emacs |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | in what world ? |
| 00:48.16 | karmatronic | DukeDrake, ctrl space ? |
| 00:48.25 | eisen | if you want something more like vs you can try kdevelop. |
| 00:48.27 | tarzeau | karmatronic: mac os x has it |
| 00:48.39 | DukeDrake | Windows |
| 00:48.41 | karmatronic | tarzeau, ok |
| 00:48.43 | tarzeau | karmatronic: i also ship it by default (whereas i don't have vi/vim) |
| 00:49.24 | DukeDrake | it should look somewhat similar to this http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/commun/screenshots/scrsh_lexerHTML.gif |
| 00:49.38 | eisen | eclipse also works with the specific language plugin if you don't mind to go back to the 80s performance-wise |
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| 00:49.48 | tarzeau | eisen: hehe :) |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | DukeDrake: that's Notepad++ |
| 00:50.05 | tarzeau | eisen: i know a few people at work that went to emacs (after some short time of eclipse) |
| 00:50.07 | abrotman | however .. anjuta and kate look kind of like that |
| 00:50.08 | karmatronic | tarzeau, reminds me i have to try irssi auto completion |
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| 00:50.17 | abrotman | and bluefish |
| 00:50.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: ick |
| 00:50.30 | tarzeau | karmatronic: it's great |
| 00:50.32 | DukeDrake | abrotman: right. Unfortunately there's no linux version of Notepad++ |
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| 00:50.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: he's asking .. piss off |
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| 00:51.00 | DukeDrake | abrotman: thanx a lot |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | DukeDrake: right .. anjuta.sf.net .. bluefish.sf.net .. kate.kde.org |
| 00:51.24 | tarzeau | DukeDrake: mozilla also has an html editor |
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| 00:51.35 | mfrisch | kate is great for system administration |
| 00:51.41 | zoddan | anyone running pfsense? |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's dead |
| 00:51.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: seasomething? |
| 00:52.01 | azeem | nvu |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i thought oyu meant nvu |
| 00:52.05 | tarzeau | now icehorse or what? |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | and nvu is dead |
| 00:52.10 | azeem | somebody took over nvu |
| 00:52.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: no no, really mozilla |
| 00:52.12 | azeem | I thought... |
| 00:52.18 | tarzeau | yeah nvu was shortly in debian but got removed |
| 00:52.21 | azeem | but dunno if that was just intention or reality |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | it's part of seamonkey or some crap |
| 00:53.14 | tarzeau | www.nvu.com is independant of mozilla software (mozilla html editor), dunno if they still have that in seamonkey |
| 00:53.36 | eisen | I used quanta for webdev a while since it has nice project features and decent editing capabilities, but the project lost its way imho |
| 00:53.38 | azeem | I'm not sure the mozilla html editor is something to point people at |
| 00:53.57 | tarzeau | azeem: we've many that use it, and it's a problem mozilla is not developped further |
| 00:54.02 | eisen | in the end I always go back to my trusty emacs |
| 00:54.08 | tarzeau | not that i particularly like it |
| 00:54.24 | tarzeau | eisen: and isn't that great? gnu emacs? x emacs? or something else? |
| 00:54.48 | jjazz | tarzeau: gnu emacs for me |
| 00:55.04 | eisen | also gnu emacs here |
| 00:55.10 | tarzeau | jjazz: same here, and emacs.app (based on gnu emacs): http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 00:56.13 | azeem | quick, let's have a poll! |
| 00:56.20 | jjazz | tarzeau: I run emacs -nw in a screen session. Keeps it simple. |
| 00:56.40 | tarzeau | jjazz: yes i like that one also better than the x version. btw there's #emacs |
| 00:56.47 | eldowan | !poll |
| 00:56.48 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:56.50 | mfrisch | vim + 1 |
| 00:57.02 | karmatronic | vim +2 |
| 00:57.06 | jjazz | tarzeau: screen 0 is irssi, screen 1 is mutt, screen 2 is emacs. It's like that on every box I use. Consistent interfaces make me happy. |
| 00:57.12 | jjazz | emacs ++ |
| 00:57.16 | tarzeau | jjazz: do you name your screen windows? |
| 00:57.38 | jjazz | tarzeau: yes, although the numbers suffice. I do a lot of scripted switching between windows (i.e. between mutt and emacs) |
| 00:57.42 | wastrel | babies are cute |
| 00:57.47 | tarzeau | jjazz: with zsh i use the precmd something as in www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotzshrc (it's really cool giving the windows the right names) |
| 00:57.49 | azeem | tarzeau, jjazz: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 00:58.06 | eldowan | I just use nano |
| 00:58.18 | karmatronic | jjazz, yeah but using both screen and emacs leva eyou unable to use emacs shortcuts |
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| 00:58.34 | karmatronic | s/leva eyou/leave you |
| 00:58.36 | jjazz | karmatronic: That's not true. |
| 00:58.48 | karmatronic | jjazz, ctrl a ? |
| 00:59.00 | jjazz | Anyway, I'm supposed to be replacing my dhcp/dns/print server, not talking about emacs. |
| 00:59.16 | jjazz | I have 10pm dinner reservations, and I don't think I'm going to be done before I go |
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| 00:59.53 | karmatronic | jjazz, i dont use emacs but i do use emacs shortcuts in bash , and when running screen, i cant use ctrl a to get back to beginning of line |
| 01:01.00 | karmatronic | jjazz, neither can i use vi shortcuts for what see |
| 01:01.23 | azeem | karmatronic: ctrl+a a |
| 01:02.03 | azeem | karmatronic: it's only getting slightly confusing when you're using two screen sessions on top of each other |
| 01:02.26 | karmatronic | azeem, ok ctrl+a a s working , cool |
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| 01:03.26 | jhujhiti | Does anyone know how i might change the source address on packets and skip connection tracking? The NOTRACK target makes iptables skip nat, so I can't SNAT there. Does anyone have any ideas? #iptables is dead right now. |
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| 01:07.01 | evilbulgarian | hi, does updatedb run daily on debian etch? if not where would i set that? |
| 01:07.23 | karmatronic | evilbulgarian, doesnt run daily |
| 01:07.28 | jjazz | evilbulgarian: root's crontab |
| 01:07.42 | jhujhiti | evilbulgarian: you can edit your cron files to make it run at regular intervals |
| 01:07.46 | karmatronic | evilbulgarian, /etc/cron.daily |
| 01:08.28 | evilbulgarian | karmatronic: so move find to /etc/cron.hourly to have it run daily |
| 01:08.43 | evilbulgarian | karmatronic: never mind |
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| 01:11.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:11.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:12.16 | eldowan | I was just thinkin of !moo |
| 01:12.22 | eldowan | !beer abrotman |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | yay? |
| 01:13.17 | sanmarcos-trabaj | in emails, if one puts duplicate addresses in Bcc:, it doenst send them that many times right? |
| 01:13.37 | azeem | sanmarcos-trabaj: wouldn't that be implementation-specific? |
| 01:13.48 | azeem | sanmarcos-trabaj: and/or read relevant RFCs |
| 01:14.51 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I dont have time azeem... |
| 01:14.54 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I need an answer |
| 01:15.07 | sanmarcos-trabaj | azeem: take a guess or tell me to fuck off |
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| 01:15.41 | azeem | "Maybe, maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself." -- Dignam |
| 01:15.49 | azeem | (The Departed quote) |
| 01:16.10 | karmatronic | sanmarcos-trabaj, just try it |
| 01:16.12 | karsten | sanmarcos-trabaj: Um. How do you think they get to the suer? |
| 01:16.17 | azeem | sanmarcos-trabaj: to be serious: I don't know, sorry |
| 01:16.21 | karmatronic | sanmarcos-trabaj, and you ll see it only sends one mail |
| 01:16.22 | jhujhiti | sanmarcos-trabaj: you need an answer and you want him to guess? |
| 01:16.32 | Wyzard | sanmarcos-trabaj: It'd be easy to just try it and see... |
| 01:16.59 | karsten | sanmarcos-trabaj: ... and cussing out ops is *strongly* discouraged. |
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| 01:17.35 | azeem | karsten: now, now; ops are just people. So either cussing is strongly discouraged, or not :P |
| 01:18.18 | karsten | azeem: ops can retaliate more immediately than others. |
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| 01:18.40 | karsten | az... mind: cussing out people ops respect and stick up for is also discouraged. For some ops that's most of the channel. |
| 01:18.57 | azeem | karsten: I care less if people cuss at me than at non-regulars |
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| 01:19.16 | karsten | azeem: ... that said, it's just a specific case of don't mess with teh authoritay. |
| 01:19.18 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how would I know he is an op |
| 01:19.25 | azeem | that as well |
| 01:19.31 | larsl | Hello, can the Debian GUI installer resize partitions or do I have to do that before booting into the installer? |
| 01:19.31 | azeem | anyway |
| 01:19.40 | azeem | larsl: I believe it can |
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| 01:19.50 | larsl | azeem: Without losing data? |
| 01:19.51 | azeem | larsl: in any case, the text-mode installer can |
| 01:20.03 | azeem | larsl: otherwise, it'd be "trashing" not "resizing" |
| 01:20.16 | karsten | larsl: In an ideal world, yes. |
| 01:20.18 | azeem | larsl: but backups are encouraged, you won't be able to sue Debian |
| 01:20.19 | mfrisch | larsl: a boot cd wit parted works well |
| 01:20.22 | amphi | larsl: resizing partitions without a backup is folly IMHO |
| 01:20.33 | azeem | larsl: what file system would you be resizgin? |
| 01:20.34 | karsten | larsl: In this world, we strongly recommend backups. Along with not cussing out the ops (not that you did, but to continue a prior thread). |
| 01:20.58 | larsl | azeem: It's just the system disk, I can just do a reinstallation if it breaks. |
| 01:21.03 | larsl | No user data. |
| 01:21.05 | azeem | karsten: anyway, he said I should tell him to fuck off, not that he'd tell me to fuck off |
| 01:21.13 | azeem | so it didn't even register as cussing to me |
| 01:21.24 | karsten | azeem: Point. Suble, but ... |
| 01:21.37 | azeem | larsl: and the system disk has what kind of file system on it? NTFS? |
| 01:21.44 | PingFloyd | personally, I'd back it up and make a new partition instead |
| 01:21.45 | larsl | Ah. No, ext2. |
| 01:21.48 | azeem | larsl: ok |
| 01:21.54 | azeem | larsl: that should be pretty safe |
| 01:21.54 | larsl | Or maybe ext3. |
| 01:22.11 | azeem | ntfs is possible but probably the most hairy of the popular ones |
| 01:22.42 | larsl | I don't think I've ever had an NTFS partition, even when I used Windows some 10 years ago. |
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| 01:24.46 | PingFloyd | karsten: ? |
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| 01:25.26 | karsten | PingFloyd: I beleive in backups. |
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| 01:26.54 | PingFloyd | I don't really get resizing. It's like you're kind of a fool not make a backup first, but after all of that trouble, might as well just start with a fresh partition to be on the safe side :) |
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| 01:27.04 | karsten | PingFloyd: bingo. |
| 01:27.26 | karsten | PingFloyd: Plus it's faster (for the resize bit anyhow) as you don't have to schlep all that data around. |
| 01:27.31 | karsten | .... and markedly less stressful. |
| 01:27.47 | mfrisch | I backup then /dev/urandom it or something |
| 01:28.09 | blondie | be sure to backup /dev/urandom too. |
| 01:28.09 | karsten | mfrisch: I backup to /dev/urandom ;-) |
| 01:28.44 | karsten | blondie: ... and /dev/true! |
| 01:28.53 | karsten | erm. Full. |
| 01:28.55 | blondie | and /dev/null. |
| 01:28.56 | karsten | /dev/full. |
| 01:29.22 | eimajenthat | Evening. I'm about to APT install a package with several dependencies, and I want to be able to remove all the dependencies easily if I decide I don't like the package. I marked them in synaptic, and then synaptic lets me export them as a list to a text file, but they are separated by carriage returns, and the word "install." Is there a clever way to remove the returns and the "installs" from the file? Or else a clever way to |
| 01:29.22 | PingFloyd | backup to /dev/null:) |
| 01:29.24 | eimajenthat | apt-accomplish what I'm trying to do here? |
| 01:29.45 | karsten | eimajenthat: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 01:29.54 | karsten | eimajenthat: Simply: aptitude takes care of that for you. |
| 01:30.04 | PingFloyd | eimajenthat: the easiest way is to install the package through aptitude |
| 01:30.19 | PingFloyd | it will keep track of the automatic installs to fullfill the depends |
| 01:30.26 | eimajenthat | shiny! |
| 01:30.45 | karsten | eimajenthat: When removing a package, any packages installed only to fulfill dependencies, not required by other packages, are also removed. |
| 01:30.55 | karsten | eimajenthat: *bright* and shiny. |
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| 01:31.24 | PingFloyd | and if you hate the gui, just use it throught he command like like you do with apt-get |
| 01:31.40 | eimajenthat | thanks all! |
| 01:31.52 | karsten | PingFloyd: technically an ncurses full-screen interactive interface. |
| 01:32.00 | PingFloyd | I know |
| 01:32.11 | karsten | xterm is a gui. |
| 01:32.16 | karsten | Stuff that runs in xterm isn't. |
| 01:32.46 | azeem | you could argue both ways I guess |
| 01:32.49 | eimajenthat | Once I figured out C-T meant CTRL+T the gui worked fine for me |
| 01:32.51 | PingFloyd | alot of people seem to not like it's ncurses interface, but I do |
| 01:33.25 | karsten | ... minus the apostrophe. |
| 01:33.50 | karsten | PingFloyd: It's "its" with it's its thing, "it's" when it is otherwise. |
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| 01:34.05 | karsten | </pedantic> |
| 01:34.23 | PingFloyd | but it's for it's possessive form |
| 01:34.30 | karsten | Nope. |
| 01:34.43 | karsten | "It's" == "it is". "Its" == that which it posesses. |
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| 01:38.13 | larsl | If I have a free partition that I want to install Debian on, is there an easy way to do it without burning a boot CD? I'm all out of empty disks. |
| 01:38.25 | karsten | !chroot install |
| 01:38.25 | dpkg | chroot install is, like, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | the install guide talks about installing from HDD |
| 01:38.40 | karsten | larsl: The Twiki page is down. |
| 01:38.48 | karsten | abrotman: Oddly enough, I wrote that ;-) |
| 01:38.48 | abrotman | karsten: and if he has only windows? |
| 01:38.55 | larsl | I don't, I run Mandriva. |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | karsten: the twikki ? |
| 01:39.02 | karsten | abrotman: Both. |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | debootstrap .. maybe ? |
| 01:39.12 | karsten | abrotman: The DI appendix is adapted from that. |
| 01:39.37 | poncha | karsten, i doubt x-libs will be removed if i remove a single x-client i ever installed. same with libpng etc stuff, if you install gd, it gets them on, but i doubt it will be removed. how would dpkg decide if you need this or not ? |
| 01:39.41 | karsten | abrotman: It should be able to recover under Windows as well if you don't mind doing package postinst later. |
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| 01:39.50 | karsten | poncha: Try it and see. |
| 01:40.29 | aib | what is the fastest way to get from a .tar.gz to a .deb? i have found a lot of how-to's on the internet ,and most are very long. can anyone recommend a short one? |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | !tel aib about mg |
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| 01:41.43 | poncha | karsten, unfortunately i do not have a machine right now that has not got any x client and/or gd with graphical libs on it :) and building a vm for this is not what i was thinking to do at 3:40am on my birthday :) but is this behavior documented a some place ? |
| 01:41.45 | aib | !tell aib about mg |
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| 01:41.53 | aib | oh ok, i see it |
| 01:42.15 | larsl | aib: I use checkinstall to make RPMs, I think it does DEB too. |
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| 01:42.30 | aib | larsl, i need to make rpms also so that sounds interesting |
| 01:42.48 | karsten | poncha: Install under UML or qemu ;-) |
| 01:43.15 | poncha | ;) |
| 01:43.33 | enouf | ...so rather than allow an open discussion about various editors andtheir uses/capabilities/pluses/minuses continue, we've degenerated into proper grammar lessons .. ok .yep |
| 01:43.48 | enouf | wonderful referee |
| 01:43.53 | poncha | karsten, no, really, apt-get manual does not define dependencies deinstallation behavior |
| 01:43.56 | aib | wow, CheckInstall sounds too good to be true |
| 01:44.04 | aib | standing by to be disappointed, yet again :) |
| 01:44.33 | PingFloyd | aib: I've used it before, works pretty good |
| 01:45.14 | karsten | poncha: aptitude, not apt-get |
| 01:45.16 | poncha | besides that would be unwise to auto-remove some library if there is no *package* depending on it. you might have built some binary manually that would rely on that package |
| 01:45.21 | poncha | o |
| 01:45.23 | poncha | oh |
| 01:45.26 | poncha | sorry:) |
| 01:45.56 | karsten | poncha: if a package is specifically installed, it's not removed. If it's installed to satisfy deps, it is. |
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| 01:46.05 | poncha | i see |
| 01:46.16 | PingFloyd | poncha: for those, they would've been installed manually, or you can hold them if needed |
| 01:46.45 | PingFloyd | aptitude won't automatically remove anything that's manually installed |
| 01:47.54 | poncha | PingFloyd, manually built = you compiled smth on the machine. which in many cases links to existing system libraries. of course, package manager knows nothing about such operations |
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| 01:48.24 | poncha | and in this case you might be in trouble removing stuff with aptitude like that :) |
| 01:48.36 | PingFloyd | I know what you mean by manually built |
| 01:49.16 | poncha | ok, nevermind, thats just another point i will remember as cons of using aptitude :) |
| 01:49.31 | PingFloyd | and in general when manually building, you have to manually handle dependencies |
| 01:49.46 | poncha | PingFloyd, not for the stuff that is already there. |
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| 01:50.05 | poncha | if ./configure does not complain on missing libpng will you go and fetch it ? :) |
| 01:50.24 | PingFloyd | if you're manually building, you should know what the dependencies of what you building are, otherwise you really shouldn't be manually building in the first place |
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| 01:51.01 | PingFloyd | usually the included docs should tell what they are |
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| 01:51.24 | priscila | PingFloyd, you might use auto-apt to handle dependences |
| 01:51.25 | PingFloyd | I wouldn't just run ./configure and pray, there may be caveats |
| 01:51.27 | poncha | PingFloyd, not all the applications you build in your life are (1) written by you yourself, (2) packaged for debian and (3) are satisfying your specific needs brought as debian packages. |
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| 01:53.01 | PingFloyd | poncha: hence why there is usually something like a README or INSTALL etc. |
| 01:53.22 | poncha | PingFloyd, true... usually :) |
| 01:53.27 | PingFloyd | that's not to sound like shouting btw |
| 01:53.37 | poncha | i got that :) |
| 01:53.42 | PingFloyd | those files usually are caps :) |
| 01:53.51 | Bogus8 | how can I find out what options or switches are being used my my xterm session right now? |
| 01:54.30 | poncha | ok, anyway, thanks for a conversation, i learned smth new and thats a good thing by itself :) now i'm gonna leave you here, good people, and go to bed :) have a nice <time of day> veryone |
| 01:54.35 | poncha | **everyone |
| 01:54.56 | PingFloyd | poncha: your best bet is to use checkinstall when you manually compile |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | stow |
| 01:55.14 | PingFloyd | that way it will have a clean install and removal from the system |
| 01:55.34 | PingFloyd | but won't really take care of the dependencies though :( |
| 01:56.08 | PingFloyd | but it's a quick fix |
| 01:56.20 | enouf | btw where's stew been .. haven't noticed him in a few weeks .. I also haven't been to oftc.net in a few "days" though either |
| 01:56.43 | PingFloyd | for those source packages without a "make uninstall" or reliable one |
| 01:57.00 | aib | anyone familiar with top? it reports that I have 20 out of 1 GB of memory free, yet when I sort by memory utilization, hardly any is actually being used |
| 01:57.13 | aib | is this because of shared libraries, or because memory is not cleared out until it's needed? how do you guys get accurate reports? |
| 01:57.34 | PingFloyd | take a look at a free |
| 01:57.50 | PingFloyd | aib: try running 'free' and see if it adds up |
| 01:58.26 | blondie | aib: its cached... dont worry about it |
| 01:58.30 | PingFloyd | usually alot of extra mem goes to buffers from my experiences |
| 01:58.34 | aib | the numbers are consistent. so what's up with the "% MEM" column in top? the highest utilization i see is 2% by any process |
| 01:58.58 | aib | how do I see where the memory is actually being used? |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | man top |
| 01:59.22 | PingFloyd | aib: free and top |
| 02:00.17 | aib | i've read the manpage! |
| 02:00.35 | PingFloyd | for instance, mine is using 52M for buffers/cache |
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| 02:00.55 | mfrisch | aib type help in top |
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| 02:01.08 | aib | here's the thing: the manual says that %MEM reports "A task's currently used share of available physical memory." But no task is using more than 2% of my memory, and I only have .01% of my memory available |
| 02:01.35 | aib | so how do I *see* what the memory is actually being used for? |
| 02:01.39 | mfrisch | aib: hoiw many processes |
| 02:01.43 | PingFloyd | aib: how many times we all got to say, it's going to buffers and cache |
| 02:02.15 | PingFloyd | generally, the system will try to use a good portion of unused memory for that purpose |
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| 02:02.36 | mfrisch | aib: is this a desktop try something like bubblemon |
| 02:03.26 | PingFloyd | also, the thing to realize about a top is it's just showing the amount in that instance in time |
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| 02:03.58 | PingFloyd | alot of processes will use different amounts of memory depending on what they need from moment to moment |
| 02:04.17 | Bogus8 | how can I find out what options or switches are being used my my xterm session right now? |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | mfrisch: oh yeah .. that's useful |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | Bogus8: you just asked five minutes ago |
| 02:04.37 | Bogus8 | actually it was 10 |
| 02:04.49 | mfrisch | abrotman: you don't like bubblemon? |
| 02:04.54 | abrotman | have you tried asking an X channel ? |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | mfrisch: it's fine .. but totally useless in this case |
| 02:05.12 | Bogus8 | no one responded... I felt i was being fair waiting 10 mins in the chance that the person that might have know was busy helping someone else at the time |
| 02:06.05 | aib | can you do `ps ax | grep xterm' or some such? |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | Bogus8: man xterm .. $ cat /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 02:06.22 | Bogus8 | aib: good idea |
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| 02:06.41 | Bogus8 | abrotman: yeah, that's a small man file :p though I did try |
| 02:07.01 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: that's controlled by alot of things |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | small ? |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | 4000 lines ? |
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| 02:07.38 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah, that's probably why it's so hard to find out... I ctrl+clicked and turned an option on I want to include everytime I start xterm |
| 02:08.01 | PingFloyd | by what command line arguements are passed by what is invoking it, files like Xdefaults and/or Xresources, and probably a bunch of other things I'm overlooking |
| 02:08.09 | h3sp4wn | Bogus8: what was the option called ? |
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| 02:08.18 | Bogus8 | abrotman: it was sarcasm... like your "mfrisch: oh yeah .. that's useful" |
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| 02:08.39 | abrotman | Bogus8: man xterm .. /FILES |
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| 02:08.44 | abrotman | Bogus8: try it |
| 02:08.44 | Cyis | anyone know offhand if the internal "Dell Wireless" card on a Dell Inspiron 640m is supported? |
| 02:08.44 | eldowan | !beer stoned |
| 02:09.00 | Bogus8 | h3sp4wn: "alt sends escape" |
| 02:09.01 | stoned | hey word |
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| 02:09.17 | abrotman | Cyis: have info on it .. or just the dell name ? |
| 02:09.25 | h3sp4wn | Bogus8: XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 02:09.39 | h3sp4wn | Bogus8: In .Xresources |
| 02:09.43 | Cyis | abrotman: not yet... just looking in BIOS now... about to try booting it with a Debian LiveCD image |
| 02:09.43 | Bogus8 | h3sp4wn: thanks, I'll try that |
| 02:09.43 | twobitsprite | what is the prefered way to modify the keymap in debian? |
| 02:09.47 | mfrisch | I just think he's tripping unless there were performance issues |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Cyis: lspci -n .. then look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r/modules.pcimap or something liek that |
| 02:11.08 | h3sp4wn | Bogus8: doesn't work for alt + arrow keys though - because of the way xtemr is |
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| 02:11.39 | Bogus8 | h3sp4wn: I just need it for irssi alt+<num> |
| 02:12.16 | h3sp4wn | Bogus8: That works but not alt+arrow (without a patch) |
| 02:12.29 | Bogus8 | h3sp4wn: cool thanks |
| 02:14.01 | jjazz | abrotman: Remember that box that seemed like it was dead this afternon? |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | jjazz: it's been brought back to life ? |
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| 02:15.20 | jjazz | I reseated the hard drive. |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | no way ... |
| 02:15.51 | jjazz | abrotman: The thinktank lives! |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | gonna backup your data ? |
| 02:16.37 | jjazz | abrotman: This box was just dhcp/name/print server and the backup for another box. I'm going to backup /etc, but aside from that it doesn't need backing up. |
| 02:16.56 | enouf | aib: see http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:17.19 | jjazz | abrotman: Anyway, off to dinner. 10pm reservation... |
| 02:17.24 | aib | enouf, that's the answer I was looking for. thanks |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | jjazz: enjoy! |
| 02:18.01 | jjazz | It's a fave restaurant of mine. Candela! |
| 02:18.04 | enouf | aib: welcome .. thank the author czr .. hangs over in ##kernel |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | jjazz: hurry .. go! |
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| 02:19.49 | abrotman | jjazz: i'd go for the salmon i think! |
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| 02:22.33 | karsten | Bogus8: cat /proc/<PID>/cmdline |
| 02:22.40 | Cyis | abrotman: says Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-PCI card |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | Cyis: lspci does ? |
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| 02:22.59 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:23.00 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 02:23.46 | Cyis | abrotman: yes |
| 02:23.57 | karsten | Bogus8: ... or rephrase your question again ;-) Also xrdb list (X resources database). |
| 02:24.06 | Bogus8 | karsten: thanks but that doesn't show the ctrl click toggle |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | Cyis: you need lspci -n |
| 02:25.02 | karsten | Bogus8: Um, that should be the default¬whatever it is. |
| 02:25.31 | karsten | Bogus8: Which options are you referring to? |
| 02:25.52 | Cyis | abrotman: 0c:00.0: 0280: 14e4:4311 (rev 01) |
| 02:25.52 | Bogus8 | karsten: not sure what you are saying but to rephrase my question... I want to know what options or switches to pass to acheive the same as doing Ctrl+Click and selecting some of those options |
| 02:26.06 | karsten | Bogus8: man xterm |
| 02:26.16 | Bogus8 | karsten: this time I'm looking for Alt sends Escape but it could be something else next time |
| 02:26.26 | karsten | Bogus8: ... might be cmdline options, might be X resources. |
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| 02:26.51 | karsten | Bogus8: ... that might also be something to modify in your X keymap (eg: xmodmap, xkeycaps), not sure. |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | Cyis: don't see it being supported |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | Cyis: at least .. not in etch's kernel |
| 02:27.18 | karsten | Bogus8: As a general rule I don't use xterm, tend to go with rxvt (smaller, lighter). Textronic mode is pretty useless these days. |
| 02:27.57 | Bogus8 | karsten: I tried using rxvt-unicode and it was having issues with my ssh/screen session |
| 02:27.59 | karsten | erm. Tektronix. |
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| 02:28.37 | karsten | Bogus8: What OS were you remoting to? I generally end up writing a case statement in my .bash_profile to set $TERM to some known safe value (eg: xterm) for unknown term types. |
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| 02:28.44 | karsten | Bogus8: Eg: rxvt-unicode, rxvt, etc. |
| 02:28.48 | Bogus8 | karsten: fc3 |
| 02:28.54 | jelly | karsten: see, it's so old and bogus you can't even remember it |
| 02:28.57 | karsten | Bogus8: Yeah, lots of RHEL here. |
| 02:29.12 | karsten | jelly: Not that that's saying much ... ;-) |
| 02:29.24 | mfrisch | eewh RHEL |
| 02:29.31 | karsten | mfrisch: Hush. |
| 02:29.35 | larsl | Argh... thanks for the help, but I just broke my partition table so it looks like I'm installing from CD whether I like it or not. |
| 02:29.43 | karsten | larsl: gpart |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | pseubodot!! |
| 02:29.57 | karsten | larsl: guess partition. Or wait, you were trying to resize dynamically, right? |
| 02:30.02 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah I was doing some searches as well and it seems it requires ndiswrapper to work |
| 02:30.07 | karsten | larsl: ... guess why we backup and repartition ;-) |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | Cyis: ewww |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:30.18 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:30.29 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah |
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| 02:30.50 | larsl | Overwriting it will be sufficient punishment for the Mandriva partition editor messing up my disk. |
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| 02:31.34 | D0ug | What does the error from apt-get: broken pipe mean? |
| 02:31.55 | D0ug | I am trying to install KDE on 3.1 Sarge |
| 02:32.00 | D0ug | And GNOME |
| 02:32.02 | karsten | D0ug: There's a pipe. And it's broken. |
| 02:32.13 | mfrisch | call the plumber |
| 02:32.20 | D0ug | I am not in the mood for sarcasm |
| 02:32.22 | karsten | D0ug: Usually: output failed due to unexpected termination of the receiving process. |
| 02:32.28 | D0ug | Ok |
| 02:32.36 | D0ug | And a correction? |
| 02:32.39 | karsten | D0ug: That's the price of admission here. |
| 02:32.51 | karsten | D0ug: Well, try to find out what bombed and why, and get it not to do that. |
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| 02:33.06 | mfrisch | D0ug: are your sources up to date |
| 02:33.07 | enouf | D0ug: which version of kde? |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | or show us the actual error |
| 02:33.10 | karsten | D0ug: usually one of preinst/postinst under /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.* |
| 02:33.22 | enouf | D0ug: sarge uses 3.3.2 IIRC |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | you know .. errors are helpful |
| 02:33.30 | karsten | D0ug: ... which are shell scripts which can be run 'bash -x <script>' to show execution. |
| 02:33.38 | karsten | abrotman: error _messages_. |
| 02:33.43 | D0ug | Whatever that is on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable |
| 02:33.46 | karsten | abrotman: I prefer no errors m'self. |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | fine .. don't give a shit .. show us the god damn error messages |
| 02:34.06 | D0ug | kk |
| 02:34.09 | karsten | !tell D0ug about paste |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | hard to help you when you don't share the problem |
| 02:34.14 | D0ug | I'll find a pastebin |
| 02:34.14 | karsten | D0ug: pastebin |
| 02:34.17 | D0ug | I am |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:34.22 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:34.27 | D0ug | Gimme a fecking moment to get it ready! |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | faster! |
| 02:34.32 | karsten | Sure. |
| 02:34.39 | daxxar | We can't work under these conditions! |
| 02:34.41 | D0ug | lol |
| 02:34.43 | azeem | good night y'all |
| 02:34.47 | D0ug | lmfao |
| 02:34.48 | abrotman | night azeem |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | peterS: did you go to the class ? |
| 02:34.56 | karsten | azeem: ... or you could tell us to f- off ;-) |
| 02:35.00 | karsten | azeem: g'night. |
| 02:36.15 | D0ug | http://pastebin.ca/314826 |
| 02:36.20 | pe3r | ok, im trying to install debian with vmware, to boot do i just type: linux26 ? |
| 02:36.25 | pe3r | i need smp though |
| 02:36.50 | karsten | pe3r: You can install that later. |
| 02:37.09 | karsten | D0ug: packaging conflict. Are you mixing sources? Debian and ubunut? |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | D0ug: paste your sources ... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:37.21 | pe3r | i see |
| 02:37.28 | D0ug | nope |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | pe3r: etch or sarge ? |
| 02:37.41 | pe3r | sarge |
| 02:37.44 | D0ug | what repository should I use |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | pe3r: so install an SMP kernel after the install |
| 02:37.56 | D0ug | http |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | D0ug: show us your sources |
| 02:38.04 | pe3r | one question, what if i install smp kernel and use the vmware image on 1-cpu computer? |
| 02:38.16 | D0ug | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 02:38.23 | D0ug | thats my ONLY sources |
| 02:38.27 | D0ug | source |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | D0ug: you don't have a security line ? |
| 02:38.44 | D0ug | no...>< |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | D0ug: try apt-setup ... |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | it should add the security line |
| 02:39.20 | shogunx | huh,huh... he said ubunut. that was cool, beavis. |
| 02:39.49 | D0ug | abrotman, didn't do it |
| 02:39.56 | D0ug | same sources.list |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | D0ug: did it ask you to do it ? |
| 02:40.07 | D0ug | no |
| 02:40.10 | pe3r | one question, what if i install smp kernel and use the vmware image on 1-cpu computer? |
| 02:40.12 | D0ug | I just typed |
| 02:40.17 | D0ug | sudo apt-setip |
| 02:40.20 | D0ug | sudo apt-setup |
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| 02:40.52 | Alias_ | Heya |
| 02:41.04 | Alias_ | Anyone know off the top of their head what the debian package count is at these days? |
| 02:41.12 | daxxar | pe3r: no problem |
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| 02:41.19 | enouf | 17,000+ |
| 02:41.19 | Alias_ | ballpark |
| 02:41.28 | mfrisch | 17000+ |
| 02:41.28 | Alias_ | ok, thanks |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | D0ug: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:41.30 | daxxar | pe3r: smp kernel means smp *support*, it will still run on single-cpu machines |
| 02:41.34 | enouf | ballpark :-0 |
| 02:41.37 | Alias_ | hmm |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 02:41.45 | pe3r | i see |
| 02:41.49 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18686 packages, 1723 maintainers, 41213 MB installed size, 13439 MB compressed size. |
| 02:41.49 | daxxar | My single-cpu machine actually runs an smp kernel. :-) |
| 02:41.53 | Alias_ | Any way to quickly workout how big a particular subset of that 17000 is? |
| 02:42.02 | enouf | + 1,000 or so ..heh |
| 02:42.08 | Alias_ | I'd like to know roughly how many CPAN modules are in that set |
| 02:42.15 | Alias_ | libsomething-perl |
| 02:42.21 | daxxar | apt-cache search lib.*-perl|wc -l |
| 02:42.21 | enouf | apt-cache search cpan |
| 02:42.24 | Alias_ | ta |
| 02:42.34 | Alias_ | 1141 |
| 02:42.35 | daxxar | Or rather, apt-cache search lib.*-perl$|wc -l |
| 02:42.37 | Alias_ | god, horrendous |
| 02:42.49 | enouf | it's your baby |
| 02:43.10 | Alias_ | 10% coverage is pretty horrible |
| 02:43.12 | enouf | .. er bed .. is better perhaps |
| 02:43.18 | Alias_ | And yes it is |
| 02:43.21 | Alias_ | <--- CPAN admin :) |
| 02:43.26 | daxxar | Someone should automate cpan adding. :p |
| 02:43.29 | wastrel | cpan eh |
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| 02:43.56 | wastrel | i'm taking over an orphan cpan module |
| 02:44.03 | wastrel | meeting someone about it tomorrow |
| 02:44.08 | karsten | enouf: 20k+ in testing + unstable + marillat. |
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| 02:44.25 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 02:44.26 | Alias_ | wastrel: the actual cpan module or the deb package? |
| 02:44.32 | karsten | Where does the automounter get its mount parameters from? |
| 02:44.35 | nevyn | Alias_: autopackage as in distribution neutral packages? |
| 02:44.35 | wastrel | the cpan module |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | Alias_: you could package more :) |
| 02:44.36 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 19790 packages, 1776 maintainers, 45804 MB installed size, 15211 MB compressed size. |
| 02:44.36 | enouf | karsten: nice .. |
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| 02:44.50 | nevyn | karsten: can be a file or a nis map |
| 02:45.09 | Alias_ | abrotman: Not really. I've already written and packaged 140 CPAN modules for CPAN |
| 02:45.10 | nevyn | karsten: maybe ldap is possible (I need to work thatt one out for work potentially. |
| 02:45.10 | karsten | nevyn: Latter. |
| 02:45.13 | enouf | 45+ GB .. hehe |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | Alias_: i mean for debian :) |
| 02:45.19 | Alias_ | I shouldn't have to package them again for every single downstream OS |
| 02:45.21 | karsten | nevyn: And actually, it is LDAP here. |
| 02:45.23 | gentgeen__ | How can I apply changes to my .Xresources file without logging out? |
| 02:45.26 | nevyn | karsten: it can work directly from a file |
| 02:45.29 | Alias_ | I should be able to just have them autopackaged |
| 02:45.42 | Alias_ | There's plenty of metadata in the CPAN packages that could be translated across |
| 02:45.48 | Alias_ | I just need to work out how |
| 02:45.54 | karsten | nevyn: I've got Hal Stern's book, it's sadly lacking in LDAP coverage, really can't find any good docs on the mix: NFS + NIS + Autofs + LDAP. |
| 02:46.02 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | karsten: pool ? |
| 02:46.06 | Alias_ | Plus there's some bigger problems, like cross-language dependencies |
| 02:46.18 | nevyn | karsten: we're supposed to be moving away from nis to ldap |
| 02:46.38 | Alias_ | And the fact that if I had a perfect autopackager, 30% of all Debian packages would be CPAN packages :) |
| 02:46.48 | karsten | gentgeen__: xrdb query | xrdb purge; xrdb load ~/.Xresources |
| 02:46.52 | Alias_ | Which is something the debian folks might like to know about in advance :) |
| 02:47.00 | karsten | gentgeen__: ... or something like that. The first bit clears any current settings. |
| 02:47.07 | karsten | nevyn: We're sorta-kinda using both. |
| 02:47.22 | karsten | nevyn: Though LDAP largely plays the role of NIS for directory servic es. |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | do people actually still use perl ? |
| 02:47.39 | Alias_ | abrotman: More than use Python and Ruby combined |
| 02:47.40 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Debian does. |
| 02:47.47 | daxxar | Perl sucks! Long live assembly! |
| 02:47.48 | pe3r | is that some novell stuff? |
| 02:47.56 | Chainsaw | abrotman> does the sun come up every morning? |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | really? i would have figured they'd have all moved to PHP by now .. jeez |
| 02:47.57 | wastrel | i like perl ok |
| 02:47.58 | Alias_ | abrotman: Go look at the job numbers :) |
| 02:48.01 | karsten | abrotman: Python / Ruby is the new shiznit, but yes, Perl's still around. |
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| 02:48.13 | abrotman | or at least something sensible like cold fusion .. scripting rules! |
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| 02:48.13 | karsten | Chainsaw: The sun isn't yellow. |
| 02:48.17 | karsten | Chainsaw: ... it's chicken. |
| 02:48.20 | wastrel | perl isn't just cgi |
| 02:48.22 | Chainsaw | heh |
| 02:48.23 | karsten | </Bob Dylan> |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | and you guys have no sense of humor |
| 02:48.36 | Chainsaw | yes we do |
| 02:48.43 | stoned | its just that your sense of humor is fucked |
| 02:48.43 | Alias_ | abrotman: I think we've just heard those jokes too many times for them to be funny |
| 02:48.44 | karsten | abrotman: This is #debian. That's a requirement for admission. |
| 02:48.49 | karsten | abrotman: Check your humor at the door. |
| 02:48.49 | Chainsaw | we're having a blast at your expense right now! |
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| 02:49.00 | abrotman | karsten: go to the god damned pool! |
| 02:49.17 | gentgeen__ | karsten, thanks |
| 02:49.19 | karsten | abrotman: Goddamned freezing pool to you. |
| 02:49.24 | karsten | Feh. |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:50.15 | Alias_ | I will say one thing for Ruby/Python taking all the hype, it means that there's not a single Perl person unemployed any more and pay rates are awesome :) |
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| 02:50.43 | Chainsaw | just have knowledge of both |
| 02:50.47 | Alias_ | Because all the new people aren't bothering with Perl, but there's still the same amount of knew projects :) |
| 02:50.49 | Chainsaw | and your on fscking easy street |
| 02:51.41 | enouf | ya think D0ug ever resolved the issues? |
| 02:51.58 | Alias_ | ok, anyways, thanks for the package numbers |
| 02:52.06 | h3sp4wn | never found a better solution for web based apps than mod_perl / template toolkit |
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| 02:52.13 | Alias_ | TT++ |
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| 02:52.22 | larsl | I don't really get how people get hired because they know particular languages. Couldn't any decent programmer get pretty good in any imperative/object-oriented language in a couple of weeks anyway? |
| 02:52.27 | Alias_ | h3sp4wn: Have you played with catalyst yet? |
| 02:52.38 | h3sp4wn | Alias_: Should I ? |
| 02:52.44 | Alias_ | You should take a look |
| 02:53.01 | h3sp4wn | I will do |
| 02:53.01 | pppoe_dude | is etch still to be released WIR? |
| 02:53.09 | Alias_ | It's the new leader of the pack for the top end large web projects |
| 02:53.10 | enouf | yep |
| 02:53.16 | enouf | pppoe_dude: ^^ |
| 02:53.37 | pppoe_dude | is it more stable than 5 weeks ago? |
| 02:53.37 | Alias_ | larsl: You can get competent yes |
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| 02:53.58 | Alias_ | larsl: Certainly with Perl if you go and learn how to use CPAN modules properly, you can be quite productive |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: we'd hope so eh ? |
| 02:54.14 | Alias_ | But most people hire based on skills, unfortunately |
| 02:54.17 | pppoe_dude | hope so |
| 02:54.32 | Chainsaw | Alias_ : or on breasts |
| 02:54.37 | larsl | But "Perl" or "C++" aren't skills, they are just memorised syntaxes. |
| 02:54.38 | Chainsaw | (not counting moobs) |
| 02:54.43 | mfrisch | Alias they are where are you from |
| 02:54.47 | larsl | syntae? |
| 02:54.53 | Alias_ | mfrisch: Sydney... |
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| 02:54.58 | marinosi | when i try to hibernate to my laptop, i get Some modules failed to unload: nvidia.. What could be wrong?Does hibernate works well in Etch? |
| 02:55.07 | Alias_ | larsl: Well, whatever you want to call it :) |
| 02:55.08 | mfrisch | Alias AAH |
| 02:55.15 | avar | isn't trying to execute stuff in /tmp during package setup against debian policy? |
| 02:55.25 | avar | php5-dev is doing it and I have noexec on /tmp |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | does the maintainer guide say ? |
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| 02:56.24 | marinosi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.32 | marinosi | ops sorry |
| 02:59.02 | avar | the securing debian manual recommends doing that |
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| 03:01.46 | avar | Anyway I'm trying to google around, but if someone knows whether this against policy that would be great since I can file an issue against the package |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | i don't see anything in the policy manual .. but it is pretty big |
| 03:04.20 | Cyis | abrotman: yes? |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | Cyis: is it bad to try to exec stuff in /tmp during installation of your package? |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | avar: i don't see a bug filed on php5-dev |
| 03:05.27 | avar | yeah, I know, I'm wondering whether it's classified as a bug though.. |
| 03:05.28 | Cyis | abrotman: IIRC it's frown'd upon but can't recall if it's actually forbidden by policy or not |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | having /tmp mounted noexec would make that hard :) |
| 03:06.44 | marco_ | when I try to start xorg, for some reason it says "No devices detected" |
| 03:07.06 | Cyis | yeah... and I like to do that |
| 03:08.17 | abrotman | marco_: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 03:08.28 | marco_ | abrotman: I did that already |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | marco_: anything useful in your log |
| 03:08.57 | marco_ | one sec |
| 03:10.28 | marco_ | abrotman: oh, nv doesn't work with the 8800GTX does it |
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| 03:10.43 | abrotman | eh .. no idea .. which version of debian ? |
| 03:10.48 | abrotman | etch i guess .. |
| 03:10.55 | abrotman | does vesa work ? |
| 03:11.48 | grndslm | do i have to do anything special to see both cores in gnome? |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | does cat /proc/cpuinfo show them ? |
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| 03:12.29 | grndslm | ...and does any kind of software development platform exist like xilinx |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | what is xilinx ? |
| 03:13.18 | hagabaka | peer-to-peer apt-get would be cool... |
| 03:13.30 | grndslm | for fpga and logical/digital devices |
| 03:13.44 | grndslm | it's an ide for devices |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | hagabaka: not really |
| 03:14.38 | hagabaka | why not? |
| 03:14.52 | abrotman | who has the file? |
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| 03:15.19 | abrotman | would you like to get that 35k package from 156 hosts ? |
| 03:16.08 | hagabaka | not one, but i would with 70MB of packages |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | how big is the largest package you're getting ? |
| 03:16.30 | hagabaka | and when the repository is often down |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | use a better mirror |
| 03:16.38 | PRAEDO | hello |
| 03:16.40 | PRAEDO | i need help cleanup up init scripts |
| 03:16.42 | PRAEDO | i have lots that no longer are installed |
| 03:16.50 | PRAEDO | but when i boot it seems like they try to start and i get errors |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | PRAEDO: man dpkg |
| 03:16.57 | PRAEDO | at the bootup |
| 03:17.00 | PRAEDO | i mean |
| 03:17.04 | hagabaka | it is an unofficial, "small" repository. it doesn't have mirrors |
| 03:17.12 | PRAEDO | the packages are removed but the init scripts are still there |
| 03:17.19 | PRAEDO | is this normal in debian? |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | hagabaka: that's your problem .. and a p2p apt-get wouldn't help more than likely because noone else would have it |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | PRAEDO: man dpkg |
| 03:17.45 | PRAEDO | if they try to start at bootup, is this because of the init scripts or it's because of something somewhere else? |
| 03:17.46 | abrotman | PRAEDO: look for purge |
| 03:17.53 | PRAEDO | what do i have to look? |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 03:18.03 | hagabaka | if p2p were to work, of course we need central nodes or trackers to see who currently has the package, and a way to verify it as we're downloading or after that |
| 03:18.30 | hagabaka | that's not true. p2p would have alleviated the traffic when many users are downloading from one repository |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | there's a mirror system |
| 03:18.55 | hagabaka | that doesn't defend your argument |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | sure it does ... |
| 03:19.32 | abrotman | and even if i had your package installed .. i dont' keep them in /var/cache/apt/ .. i regularly do an apt-get clean .. and i believe aptitude cleans by default |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | synaptic might too |
| 03:19.52 | abrotman | which means i wouldn't have anything to share .. and you'd still be screwed |
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| 03:20.46 | abrotman | hagabaka: you're more than welcome to propose this on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 03:20.48 | PRAEDO | abrotman, can't find what i need to do |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | PRAEDO: read again |
| 03:20.57 | ajdlinux | is it possible to install Etch using Reiser4? |
| 03:21.02 | PRAEDO | purge is only a state |
| 03:21.18 | liable | no |
| 03:21.37 | ajdlinux | liable: was that for me? |
| 03:21.41 | liable | its a command, man apt-get (--purge) man dpkg (-P) |
| 03:21.44 | PRAEDO | i don't want to purge an especific package |
| 03:21.45 | abrotman | ajdlinux: ifyou make your own kernel for the netinst maybe |
| 03:21.48 | PRAEDO | i want to clean everything |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | man dpkg .. look for purge |
| 03:22.07 | liable | ajdlinux: nope, but you need to patch the kernel for R4 |
| 03:22.09 | PRAEDO | i see there is the command --purge |
| 03:22.14 | PRAEDO | but that's for a single package only |
| 03:22.30 | abrotman | you could use shell magic .. and learn how to do it for many |
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| 03:22.40 | PRAEDO | what do you mean? |
| 03:22.47 | PRAEDO | isn't there a command to clean everything? |
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| 03:23.04 | PRAEDO | shell magic would be rm /etc/init.d/* |
| 03:23.10 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 03:23.21 | liable | PRAEDO: how do you think apt is going to know how to just clean out the init scripts of packages you have removed? |
| 03:23.35 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: no, shell magic would be querying the Debian package database for which packages are removed but not purged, and then purging them |
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| 03:23.39 | PRAEDO | so this is not possible? |
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| 03:23.45 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: it is |
| 03:23.48 | PRAEDO | i have to do it manually seeing what i have installed and what not? |
| 03:23.51 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 03:23.54 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: no |
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| 03:24.16 | PRAEDO | i have 179 useless init scripts |
| 03:24.20 | PRAEDO | i can't be looking one by one |
| 03:24.22 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: install the grep-dctrl package and then read the grep-status man page. Compare that to the output of dpkg -s [one of your removed but not purged packages here] |
| 03:24.24 | liable | wtf? |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | how do you know they're all useless ? |
| 03:24.30 | marco_ | abrotman: that didn't go too well. It seems that vesa works, *but* when I try to exit X or change to ttyx my screen goes black |
| 03:24.32 | abrotman | PRAEDO: give us an example ? |
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| 03:24.46 | abrotman | marco_: you probably need the nvidia binary crap driver |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:24.52 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:24.52 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: then you should be able to construct a command line, with only a bit of knowledge of special shell characters, to remove the relevant packages |
| 03:24.54 | liable | thats rediculous |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | PRAEDO: give us five that are useless ... |
| 03:25.09 | marco_ | okay, I'll try that |
| 03:25.11 | PRAEDO | i want to remove all init scripts that aren't part of an installed package |
| 03:25.17 | PRAEDO | isn't there a simple command for this? |
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| 03:25.27 | abrotman | PRAEDO: can you give us five useless scripts ? |
| 03:25.32 | deb_noob | does anyone use kdetv? |
| 03:25.34 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: no. the package management system manages things that are part of a package, not things that aren't |
| 03:25.45 | PRAEDO | from these 179 scripts, 80% of them are unistalled packages |
| 03:25.46 | liable | PRAEDO: paste your list of init scripts to a pastebot |
| 03:25.51 | PRAEDO | not useless, but not needed |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | such as ... |
| 03:26.04 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: if you are referring to things that are part of packages you have removed but not purged, please read what I have been telling you about grep-dctrl |
| 03:26.09 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: and grep-status |
| 03:26.49 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: I have not outright given you the command line, but I gave you a helpful nudge in the right direction so that you should be able to figure it out |
| 03:26.49 | PRAEDO | such as guarddog |
| 03:26.49 | PRAEDO | i don't use it |
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| 03:27.05 | PRAEDO | i don't know bash scripting |
| 03:27.16 | deb_noob | nobody uses kdetv? |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | maybe in #debian-kde ? |
| 03:27.28 | PRAEDO | you can't expect me to figure out if an simple dpkg parameter doesn't exist for this |
| 03:27.48 | abrotman | you were told the parameter |
| 03:27.59 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: the only thing you really need to know is that anything inside a pair of backticks ("`") is treated as a shell command, and the output of the command is substituted for the whole thing into the larger command line |
| 03:28.01 | liable | sounds like we cant expect much at all.. |
| 03:28.18 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: with that and what I told you, you can indeed figure it out. and that's correct, there is no dpkg parameter to do exactly what you want |
| 03:28.32 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: you don't need to know more bash scripting than what I just said |
| 03:28.56 | pe3r | !remove kde |
| 03:28.58 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 03:29.04 | scruffy | enouf: did he ever figure out his lspci problem? |
| 03:29.40 | Hydroxide | hm, that "remove kde" factoid needs to be updated for etch |
| 03:29.46 | abrotman | update it! |
| 03:29.48 | Hydroxide | I have all of KDE installed but I don't have kdelibs-bin |
| 03:30.00 | abrotman | do you have kdelibs installed ? |
| 03:30.09 | Hydroxide | yup |
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| 03:30.24 | PRAEDO | http://rafb.net/p/Uz9DpV43.html |
| 03:30.24 | abrotman | then it would just whine about the other not being installed .. and still remove KDE i'd think |
| 03:30.28 | PRAEDO | look, this are all the init scripts i have |
| 03:30.39 | Hydroxide | abrotman: however, kdelibs is just a package that depends on kdelibs4c2a :) |
| 03:30.41 | abrotman | PRAEDO: you're going to remove all of those ? |
| 03:30.43 | pe3r | why's apple gui looks like the kde? |
| 03:30.47 | mardi_soir | hello some know about a debian repository for e17 please ? |
| 03:30.49 | abrotman | Hydroxide: good enough! |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | pe3r: ask #macosx or #kde |
| 03:30.59 | pe3r | is it kde? |
| 03:31.01 | liable | mardi_soir: ask in #e |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 03:31.07 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 03:31.07 | mardi_soir | thanks |
| 03:31.21 | mardi_soir | abrotman, tks you too |
| 03:31.22 | Hydroxide | abrotman: I'm just hesitant to put that in the factoid since I'm not 100% sure it's that exact soname on all architectures (e.g. libc6 is libc6.1 on at least one) |
| 03:31.53 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i'd just leave it as it is .. that command will still remove KDE afaict |
| 03:32.03 | Hydroxide | abrotman: probably |
| 03:32.11 | abrotman | Hydroxide: give it a whirl :) |
| 03:32.18 | Hydroxide | abrotman: nah :) |
| 03:32.22 | marco_ | pe3r: while it's off topic, I'll at least tell you that aqua has *nothing* in common with kde except a vague resemblance |
| 03:32.25 | PRAEDO | what do you think about my list of init scripts? |
| 03:32.27 | Hydroxide | abrotman: there is a kdebase-bin |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | marco_: themes |
| 03:32.44 | abrotman | Hydroxide: but doesn't removing kdelibs remove that ? |
| 03:32.48 | marco_ | abrotman: I think pe3r meant without themes |
| 03:32.51 | marco_ | the default |
| 03:33.10 | liable | stupid gnome, i have no right click for some reason |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | i blame your WM! |
| 03:33.30 | Hydroxide | abrotman: no, actually. most of the KDE apps including that depend on kdelibs4c2a, not kdelibs |
| 03:33.40 | liable | could well be actually |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | Hydroxide: sure .. but kdelibs depends on the other .. and removing that will remove the KDE apps that depend on 4c2a |
| 03:34.39 | PRAEDO | <Hydroxide> PRAEDO: install the grep-dctrl package and then read the grep-status man page. Compare that to the output of dpkg -s [one of your removed but not purged packages here] |
| 03:34.43 | PRAEDO | that's a lot of work for 179 scripts |
| 03:34.52 | PRAEDO | isn't there a better method? |
| 03:34.56 | Hydroxide | abrotman: removing kdelibs will only remove kdelibs4c2a if you're doing the removal with aptitude and kdelibs4c2a is marked as automatically installed in the aptitude db. |
| 03:35.09 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: it's actually pretty quick, plus it's a command worth knowing about in general |
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| 03:35.28 | abrotman | Hydroxide: but the other packages still depend on kdelibs4c2a |
| 03:35.48 | Hydroxide | abrotman: yeah, so it might not remove KDE even then |
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| 03:36.04 | abrotman | Hydroxide: just try it with aptitude remove kdelibs .. see what it says it will remove |
| 03:36.04 | enouf | scruffy: never heard from him .. but i've been away a good part of the day |
| 03:36.07 | PRAEDO | but how do i compare so many packages output? |
| 03:36.13 | Cyis | anyone know if there's a util to use an existing APT archive directory (/var/cache/apt/archives) to seen approx's cache under /var/cache/approx/<dist>/pool |
| 03:36.20 | marco_ | Hydroxide: if you think removing KDE is hard, try removing norton from windows |
| 03:36.29 | scruffy | PRAEDO: do these look familiar? dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' |
| 03:36.35 | mardi_soir | abrotman, i do not find the sources.list in these two website ... [04:31] <dpkg> [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/, |
| 03:36.40 | abrotman | scruffy: cheater! |
| 03:36.43 | liable | or abrotman from a cheesesteak shop! |
| 03:36.50 | abrotman | mardi_soir: then you'll have to ask #e |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | liable: i haven't had one in a while |
| 03:36.59 | Hydroxide | scruffy: that's not going to work very well since dpkg -l truncates package names |
| 03:37.23 | Hydroxide | scruffy: oh, hm, maybe it doesn't when piped to something |
| 03:37.30 | scruffy | Hydroxide: export COLUMNS=100 |
| 03:37.33 | liable | columns=200? |
| 03:37.38 | abrotman | 1000! |
| 03:37.47 | scruffy | going once! |
| 03:37.47 | Hydroxide | scruffy: I'm aware of that, but the grep-dctrl tools are still nicer and more flexible |
| 03:37.51 | marco_ | 10000! |
| 03:37.55 | mardi_soir | abrotman, ok ok done ... i have to wait thanks |
| 03:38.02 | PRAEDO | Hydroxide, i can't imagine what i'm supposed to do |
| 03:38.07 | PRAEDO | can't understand |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | mardi_soir: or you can ask #elive .. but then it's not debian anymore ;) |
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| 03:38.17 | PRAEDO | how am i supposed to compare that? |
| 03:38.19 | PRAEDO | <Hydroxide> PRAEDO: install the grep-dctrl package and then read the grep-status man page. Compare that to the output of dpkg -s [one of your removed but not purged packages here] |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:38.30 | PRAEDO | the output of dpkg -s each single package??? |
| 03:38.37 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: no, that's why I said one |
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| 03:38.51 | PRAEDO | but i have more than one that i want to purge |
| 03:38.59 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: that, in combination with the man page and my hint about backticks, should point you in the right direction for constructing your command line |
| 03:39.08 | marco_ | PRAEDO: use regular expressions to find packages that you removed but did not purge |
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| 03:39.22 | Hydroxide | marco_: no need for regular expressions |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | !de |
| 03:39.30 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 03:39.30 | PRAEDO | i told you i don't know bash scripting |
| 03:39.36 | PRAEDO | no idea about regular expressions and such |
| 03:39.44 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: don't worry about them, you don't need them |
| 03:39.48 | scruffy | PRAEDO: look at the dpkg man page under "PACKAGE SELECTION STATES" |
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| 03:40.51 | PRAEDO | i look |
| 03:41.04 | Hydroxide | here's my command line: sudo aptitude purge grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 03:41.20 | Hydroxide | ... and I missed a backtick :P |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | i like mine better! |
| 03:41.33 | PRAEDO | install, deinstall, purge |
| 03:41.35 | scruffy | PRAEDO: combine that with the knowledge that dpkg has a --purge command line option |
| 03:41.35 | Hydroxide | sudo aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | What's the name of the generic Oreo cookies ? |
| 03:41.54 | PRAEDO | what should i compare exactly? |
| 03:41.56 | PRAEDO | can't understand |
| 03:42.14 | scruffy | PRAEDO: all packages listed in dpkg -l with rc at the front is what you're looking for. |
| 03:42.40 | PRAEDO | what is a backtick? |
| 03:42.43 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: this channel is supposed to help you, bu not handhold you through every little step of the way. we're trying to point you in the right direction so you can figure it out, but we do want you to figure it out yourself with our help, so that you become self-sufficient with your Debian system |
| 03:42.50 | scruffy | PRAEDO: parasite |
| 03:42.55 | Hydroxide | PRAEDO: I showed you one when I mentioned them: it's the ` character |
| 03:43.00 | abrotman | PRAEDO: which version of debian is this ? |
| 03:44.12 | Hydroxide | !remove kde |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 03:44.16 | scruffy | enouf: same here. maybe he wiped and started over. |
| 03:44.25 | Hydroxide | dpk: no, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 03:44.27 | marco_ | PRAEDO: on a US keyboard, it's the same key as the ~ |
| 03:44.29 | Hydroxide | dpkg: no, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 03:44.29 | dpkg | okay, Hydroxide |
| 03:44.35 | PRAEDO | 4.0 |
| 03:44.55 | PRAEDO | i always used remove without purge for years |
| 03:45.43 | PRAEDO | [04:41] <abrotman> i like mine better! <- which one? |
| 03:45.52 | scruffy | PRAEDO: there is probably an apt.conf setting to always purge, not sure.. |
| 03:45.54 | pe3r | abrotman, how old are you? no offese |
| 03:46.18 | scruffy | PRAEDO: (/etc/apt/apt.conf) |
| 03:46.23 | abrotman | pe3r: god damned old! |
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| 03:46.55 | abrotman | pe3r: why do you ask ? |
| 03:48.01 | PRAEDO | aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 03:48.03 | Mordantly_Bright | your supposed to say like n+6 years old, let them guess N. |
| 03:48.08 | pe3r | just asking |
| 03:48.12 | PRAEDO | this command tells me that 966Mb will be freed |
| 03:48.16 | PRAEDO | is this normal? |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 03:48.28 | pe3r | ive been here since 2004, diff nicks though |
| 03:48.32 | Mordantly_Bright | for kde, probably. |
| 03:48.38 | enouf | scruffy: maybe .. |
| 03:48.59 | enouf | scruffy: or just rebooted and all was better :-P |
| 03:49.07 | Mordantly_Bright | pe3r: I thought you said in sitting in the channel since, Oh never mind. |
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| 03:49.28 | PRAEDO | what does the command do exactly? |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | pe3r: did you have one you used a lot ? |
| 03:49.59 | deb_noob | any gnome tv apps? |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | totem ? |
| 03:50.17 | marco_ | PRAEDO: it removes every package you have |
| 03:50.23 | liable | tvtime no good?? |
| 03:50.29 | PRAEDO | everything??? |
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| 03:50.36 | Mordantly_Bright | deb_noob: define good, |
| 03:50.36 | deb_noob | just curious |
| 03:50.36 | PingFloyd | PRAEDO: if you're trying to purge packages that are no longer installed, the easiest way is to start aptitude, hit l, and type ~c in there |
| 03:50.40 | scruffy | marco_: technically, a solution of sorts |
| 03:50.42 | marco_ | and then prints the message "figure it out yourself by running the invididual components and the man pages" |
| 03:50.46 | deb_noob | ? |
| 03:50.47 | marco_ | to stderr |
| 03:50.48 | deb_noob | bbl |
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| 03:51.15 | PRAEDO | aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 03:51.19 | PRAEDO | what does this do then? |
| 03:51.29 | PRAEDO | it started removing lots of things i had installed |
| 03:51.32 | marco_ | read the man page for aptitute |
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| 03:51.42 | Mordantly_Bright | ouch, |
| 03:51.45 | marco_ | Then read the map page for grep-status |
| 03:51.58 | PRAEDO | is this removing EVERYTHING i have??? |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | pe3r: ? |
| 03:52.09 | Mordantly_Bright | the first rule of fight culb .... yawn. |
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| 03:52.33 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:52.35 | Mordantly_Bright | Ok first rule of irc, don't try everything you hear in a channel! |
| 03:52.39 | marco_ | PRAEDO: the expression between the ` is an expression by itself |
| 03:52.40 | lkthomas | does any of you config linux heartbeat before ? |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 03:53.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
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| 03:53.03 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 03:53.03 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 03:53.22 | PRAEDO | what does rc mean? |
| 03:53.27 | Mordantly_Bright | now now, dpkg is trying to be helpful. |
| 03:53.36 | Ozewa | !dpkg recurrence |
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| 03:54.01 | scruffy | PRAEDO: rc = removed, config files remain |
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| 03:54.09 | Mordantly_Bright | release candidate. |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: do you have a debian question? |
| 03:54.29 | PRAEDO | could be that i have 966Mb of config files?? |
| 03:54.33 | scruffy | PRAEDO: dpkg -l | head -3 |
| 03:54.34 | liable | no |
| 03:54.44 | marco_ | PRAEDO: maybe you should start from scratch |
| 03:54.47 | PRAEDO | that's what it says |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | we already told you no |
| 03:54.51 | abrotman | marco_: that's stupid |
| 03:54.59 | PRAEDO | aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` <- is this removing rc's only? |
| 03:55.03 | liable | PRAEDO: you could have manually purged them by now... |
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| 03:55.11 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 03:55.22 | Mordantly_Bright | would you like a bug number, so you can file a nmu otherwise your probably not going to be able to help me. |
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| 03:55.28 | scruffy | PRAEDO: I would forget all about that command line.. find another method, 900+ mb isn't normal |
| 03:55.33 | marco_ | abrotman: he has a huge mess, unless he has tons of specially configured packages, he would be up and running by now |
| 03:55.39 | abrotman | no he doesn't |
| 03:55.43 | PRAEDO | i already started that command |
| 03:55.45 | PRAEDO | it's running |
| 03:55.49 | enouf | !apt howto |
| 03:55.50 | dpkg | apt-howto is probably at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 03:55.51 | PRAEDO | aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 03:55.58 | PRAEDO | what does it purge exactly? |
| 03:55.59 | liable | he does NOT have 900MB of configs, thats rediculous |
| 03:56.02 | enouf | !aptitude |
| 03:56.02 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 03:56.05 | jcape | Does anyone know if there will be another build of the kernel package before etch is released? And/or where they keep their repository so I can get the fixes/changes now? |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: great .. go fix it .. |
| 03:56.23 | abrotman | jcape: not likely |
| 03:56.30 | abrotman | jcape: you can ask the mailing list though |
| 03:56.31 | marco_ | PRAEDO: for the future, don't run commands random people give you over the internet without reading the relevant man pages |
| 03:56.34 | kakalto | does anyone know how to set up japanese input on debian etch? |
| 03:56.40 | jcape | Wonderful. |
| 03:56.41 | Mordantly_Bright | abrotman: you asked if you could help me! |
| 03:56.49 | PRAEDO | so that command removed everything? |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: did you fix the bug ? |
| 03:56.53 | PRAEDO | or just rc's? |
| 03:56.56 | jcape | Xen is really useful w/o PAE... (cough) |
| 03:57.13 | abrotman | isn't there a xen kernel ? |
| 03:57.14 | PingFloyd | PRAEDO: assuming no mistakes were made etc |
| 03:57.15 | Mordantly_Bright | upstream wouldn't help. |
| 03:57.19 | marco_ | PRAEDO: I have no clue, maybe you should get a hint |
| 03:57.23 | marco_ | and read the man page |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | jcape: which kernel are you using ? |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: so work with the maintainer |
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| 03:57.41 | jcape | I'm on a fedora box, which does not ship a non-PAE kernel. |
| 03:57.49 | Mordantly_Bright | thats the problem. |
| 03:57.55 | enouf | !cluebat a few |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | jcape: and that has what to do with debian ? |
| 03:57.57 | Mordantly_Bright | what maintainer |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | what package? |
| 03:58.06 | jcape | I want to run a slew of Debian instances, which do not ship a PAE kernel. |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | yes they do |
| 03:58.17 | PRAEDO | marco_, get a hint about what? |
| 03:58.24 | jcape | abrotman: Sure. |
| 03:58.28 | jcape | abrotman: Try it. |
| 03:58.29 | Mordantly_Bright | hplip |
| 03:58.35 | abrotman | jcape: i did it yesterday ... |
| 03:58.39 | jcape | "You are trying to run a non-PAE kernel on a PAE machine." |
| 03:58.45 | jcape | I get that error every time. |
| 03:58.52 | marco_ | PRAEDO: |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | so you automatically blame debian ? |
| 03:59.08 | jcape | The bug on this issue was fixed on 12-20, and the last revision of the kernel was on 12-10. |
| 03:59.14 | roler | is there a way to reboot a remote server using grub, and if the new kernel I just installed fails, can I have grub automatically retry another kernel? |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | jcape: so ask the mailing list |
| 03:59.20 | marco_ | PRAEDO: read the goddamn man pages |
| 03:59.22 | Mordantly_Bright | I didn't say I blamed debian, ubuntu has the same problem. |
| 03:59.29 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: not you |
| 03:59.33 | abrotman | !maint hplip |
| 03:59.36 | dpkg | hplip: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: ^^ |
| 03:59.42 | PRAEDO | what man page and what exactly? |
| 03:59.45 | jcape | abrotman: Are you typically this borderline abrasive? |
| 04:00.00 | wastrel | jcape: welcome to #debian |
| 04:00.00 | marco_ | PRAEDO: I believe we need to analyze what's happening here |
| 04:00.01 | wastrel | :] |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | jcape: i'm trying to tell you where to find out if they will build another |
| 04:00.12 | abrotman | jcape: if you'd like . i can be abrasive :) |
| 04:00.15 | marco_ | PRAEDO: you were given a command with another command within it |
| 04:00.22 | Mordantly_Bright | I have it filed under ubuntu, they haven't verified it to upstream yet. |
| 04:00.23 | marco_ | so you have two commands |
| 04:00.24 | PRAEDO | what do you mean? |
| 04:00.31 | jcape | abrotman: Yes, and I was hoping to find an easy answer here, which is much, much faster than pinging a mailing list. |
| 04:00.34 | marco_ | If you want to know what the commands do |
| 04:00.35 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: so it's an ubuntu problem ? :) |
| 04:00.37 | marco_ | read their man pages |
| 04:00.40 | marco_ | and stop asking the channel |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | jcape: there's an irc channel too .. but they're not responsive all the time .. |
| 04:01.02 | Mordantly_Bright | no it happens in debian, but no need to file multipy reports |
| 04:01.02 | marco_ | This is not a day care center |
| 04:01.08 | abrotman | jcape: but honestly .. etch is frozen .. unless there's a severe issue .. i doubt it would get rebuilt |
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| 04:01.56 | jcape | abrotman: Sigh. Where is the IRC channel? |
| 04:01.59 | jcape | debian-kernel? |
| 04:02.06 | abrotman | on oftc |
| 04:02.10 | Mordantly_Bright | from looking at the bug reports for hplip it will probably take a while. |
| 04:02.14 | abrotman | jcape: but i'd realyl do the mailing list thing |
| 04:02.25 | enouf | jcape: irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net |
| 04:02.32 | enouf | same same |
| 04:04.34 | abrotman | jcape: at least you found it :) |
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| 04:05.13 | marco_ | For 2GB of RAM do I need to install the bigmem kernel? |
| 04:05.28 | abrotman | marco_: no |
| 04:05.30 | liable | nope |
| 04:05.31 | Mordantly_Bright | marco_: nope |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | marco_: which kernel do you hvae now ? |
| 04:05.40 | Mordantly_Bright | echo |
| 04:05.44 | marco_ | 2.6.18 |
| 04:05.45 | marco_ | standard |
| 04:05.51 | marco_ | I'm going to install smp now |
| 04:05.54 | abrotman | marco_: yeah .. uhm .. -386 or what ? |
| 04:05.58 | abrotman | there is no -smp |
| 04:05.58 | marco_ | -686 |
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| 04:06.07 | abrotman | marcels: that supports 4GB |
| 04:06.15 | abrotman | marco_: uname -a .. show us |
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| 04:06.52 | marco_ | Linux debian 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:07.16 | abrotman | that supports 4GB |
| 04:07.24 | marco_ | odd, I already have SMP |
| 04:07.25 | marco_ | O.o |
| 04:07.50 | abrotman | they're all SMP now |
| 04:07.53 | liable | its built in for > 2.6.17 |
| 04:07.54 | abrotman | jcape: you didn't even ask! |
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| 04:08.36 | PRAEDO | aptitude purge `grep-status -nsPackage -F Status "deinstall ok config-files"` |
| 04:08.40 | PRAEDO | this is still going on |
| 04:09.03 | PRAEDO | my system has 6gb used |
| 04:09.06 | scruffy | PRAEDO: tell the truth, you're just being funny, trolling, right? |
| 04:09.14 | liable | is there a pdf writer available? |
| 04:09.17 | jcape | abrotman: The channel topic has their snapshot kernels. |
| 04:09.23 | abrotman | liable: ps2pdf |
| 04:09.27 | PRAEDO | so i guess that 966mb removed is normal considering i haven't been using purge for years |
| 04:09.28 | liable | ta |
| 04:09.33 | jcape | abrotman: I'm going to see if they work before I ask. |
| 04:09.36 | abrotman | jcape: but that's not official .. which was your original question .. stop changing parameters on me! |
| 04:10.08 | PingFloyd | PRAEDO: unless there was a typo to where it just purges everything, period. :) |
| 04:10.53 | jcape | abrotman: I want to be sure my problem is solved before I ask whether the solution will be included :-) |
| 04:11.21 | PRAEDO | but 900mb is very little compared to all i have |
| 04:11.24 | PRAEDO | can't be everything |
| 04:11.26 | abrotman | jcape: you could just ask "Is the version in etch currently the final build before release" .. which will pretty much destroy your day :) |
| 04:11.35 | liable | du -h /etc |
| 04:11.50 | liable | i am very doubtfull you have that many config files |
| 04:11.53 | jcape | No, I'll just have to use a different distro. |
| 04:11.56 | PingFloyd | that's alot for ascii files though |
| 04:12.12 | abrotman | jcape: you can always make your own netinst with your own kernel |
| 04:12.36 | Mordantly_Bright | [ffffe410] read(6, 0xafae77c3, 1) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) <0.000029> |
| 04:12.52 | jcape | abrotman: I could, yes :-). |
| 04:13.06 | abrotman | !tell jcape about custom netinst |
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| 04:13.46 | marco_ | jcape: what kernel version do you need? |
| 04:13.47 | Mordantly_Bright | has anyone seen this error before. |
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| 04:14.01 | jcape | marco_: A Xen variant that supports PAE. |
| 04:14.04 | PingFloyd | error from what? |
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| 04:14.22 | marco_ | ah, nevermind |
| 04:14.28 | pe3r | !appletalk |
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| 04:14.38 | pe3r | what's an appletalk |
| 04:14.45 | roler | how do I make an initrd image to go in /boot? |
| 04:14.49 | abrotman | pe3r: what was your old nick ? |
| 04:14.54 | Mordantly_Bright | it was an error from an strace in firefox. in etch. |
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| 04:15.06 | abrotman | jcape: how much RAM does the host have ? |
| 04:15.07 | pe3r | abrotman, i use diff nick every time i join here |
| 04:15.08 | pe3r | lol |
| 04:15.13 | abrotman | pe3r: i'm 30 |
| 04:15.13 | PingFloyd | appletalk is apple's old networking protocol afaik |
| 04:15.13 | roler | from the source |
| 04:15.18 | pe3r | i see |
| 04:15.22 | pe3r | im 17 |
| 04:15.23 | Mordantly_Bright | the strace was like 286 mb about choke my emacs. |
| 04:15.29 | abrotman | pe3r: does it matter ? |
| 04:15.32 | pe3r | i was 14 when i first joined here |
| 04:15.33 | pe3r | no |
| 04:15.45 | jcape | abrotman: My desktop machine has 4GB. It runs Fedora 6, which only ships with PAE-enabled Xen kernels. |
| 04:15.51 | pe3r | im just saying been 2-3 years already |
| 04:15.53 | Mordantly_Bright | google turned up nothing :( |
| 04:16.05 | Guerin | jcape: you have my commiserations. |
| 04:16.22 | abrotman | jcape: what's the kernel config option? |
| 04:16.31 | Mordantly_Bright | it would lock my firfox then I would have to kill it. |
| 04:16.41 | jcape | abrotman: I don't know or care. |
| 04:16.41 | pe3r | !install kernel | roler |
| 04:16.41 | Mordantly_Bright | but konq works great imagine that. |
| 04:16.50 | enouf | pe3r: apt-cache search netatalk |
| 04:16.59 | abrotman | jcape: which kenrel did etch install with ? |
| 04:17.04 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: what were you doing when that happened (resource temporarily unavilable)? |
| 04:17.55 | Guerin | jcape: build the fedora kernel's source on debian |
| 04:17.55 | Mordantly_Bright | according to google, its bad code? I was surfing the net. |
| 04:17.55 | jcape | I AM NOT TRYING TO BUILD A KERNEL. |
| 04:17.55 | jcape | Geez. |
| 04:17.55 | Guerin | it's not like kernels are rocket science for people who are using Xen |
| 04:17.55 | jcape | Yes, they aren't. |
| 04:17.56 | jcape | They are, however, a total waste of my time. |
| 04:17.59 | Mordantly_Bright | I have I386 etch installed. |
| 04:18.00 | Guerin | jcape: no, far as I can see you're complaining about the lack of your specific requirement in debian's kernels. |
| 04:18.18 | roler | thanks |
| 04:18.27 | Mordantly_Bright | all ecko engines do it. |
| 04:18.36 | abrotman | jcape: you sohuld ..it's fun . or so they say |
| 04:18.51 | jcape | abrotman: I've wasted weeks of my life tweaking kernels. |
| 04:19.00 | abrotman | jcape: gentoo refugee ? |
| 04:19.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:19.05 | Guerin | jcape: and you're now wasting more time complaining about them. |
| 04:19.06 | jcape | abrotman: I've been on Linux since RH 5.2 |
| 04:19.07 | Mordantly_Bright | OH memtest checks out, thought it might be a memory problem. |
| 04:19.11 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: a particular site? |
| 04:19.23 | liable | stupid pdf cd, when i copy it, it randomly capitalises files, so they cant be found from the index |
| 04:19.24 | Guerin | jcape: by now you could have started the build process a few hundred times. |
| 04:19.28 | Mordantly_Bright | No it might be flash related but not sure. |
| 04:19.35 | jcape | Guerin: Shut up. |
| 04:19.36 | abrotman | liable: ps2pdf ? |
| 04:19.48 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: try disabling JavaScript and see if you get the same result |
| 04:19.50 | Mordantly_Bright | but it happens with all gecko engines. |
| 04:19.54 | Guerin | jcape: fuck off. |
| 04:20.10 | Guerin | jcape: if you're just going to piss and moan, you're doing it in the wrong place. |
| 04:20.12 | enouf | !cat fight |
| 04:20.22 | jcape | Guerin: 1.) I am not complaining. I am pointing out that Debian does not do what I want *right this second*, and I originally came to ask whether it would before etch. |
| 04:20.29 | liable | abrotman: yup, just installed a few pdf thingos, going to play with it tonight to see if i can find what the story is. the cd has some database files on it in binary, i am guessing its to do with those |
| 04:20.32 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: thats a good idea, but wouldn't show up a different error. |
| 04:20.33 | jcape | 2.) None of my queries were directed to you. |
| 04:20.47 | Guerin | jcape: etch is frozen, as is clear from the release documentation. So #1 is answered. |
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| 04:21.08 | Guerin | as for #2, this is a public channel in which I commonly answer queries not directed to me |
| 04:21.18 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: are you saying the browser locks up even with JavaScript disabled when you try to reproduce it? |
| 04:21.25 | Mordantly_Bright | it seems to happen randomly regardless of sites. |
| 04:21.41 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: lots of extensions? |
| 04:21.49 | jcape | Guerin: 3.) I have no interest in building any kernels, I just want to use something that works with minimal hassle. |
| 04:21.52 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: I haven't disabled java, but doesn't act like it. |
| 04:21.59 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: could be wrong. |
| 04:22.02 | Guerin | jcape: good luck finding that in fedora. |
| 04:22.07 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: java != javascript |
| 04:22.09 | abrotman | jcape: and you think i'm abrasive?! |
| 04:22.14 | Mordantly_Bright | good point. |
| 04:22.27 | jcape | Guerin: I switched to fedora two weeks ago, in order to familiarize myself with RedHat. |
| 04:22.42 | Mordantly_Bright | [will test with javascript diabled.] |
| 04:22.49 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: if you have a lot of extensions, try backing out of them one by one and see if at some point it stops doing that. |
| 04:23.02 | jcape | I honestly do prefer apt and Debian, and have used them for half a decade prior to switching to Ubuntu, which I used for a year and a half before I installed Fedora. |
| 04:23.19 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: I really don't use extensions, only flash. |
| 04:23.28 | enouf | heh' |
| 04:23.30 | Mordantly_Bright | your guess is as good as mine. |
| 04:23.45 | PingFloyd | Mordantly_Bright: maybe it's flash, wouldn't surprise me |
| 04:23.48 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: try the flash block extension then. It lets you disable flash on the fly. That might give you an indication. |
| 04:24.22 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: that sounds like a good plan. should I install iceweasel 2 first though. |
| 04:24.36 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: no idea on that one |
| 04:24.53 | Mordantly_Bright | roger that, a mystery, |
| 04:26.28 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: flash a while back use to cause me pain.. |
| 04:26.35 | liable | laters |
| 04:26.40 | S2AnGeL | though later I found it was a bad memory .. |
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| 04:27.19 | Mordantly_Bright | you would think that adobe would get a handle on it. |
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| 04:27.43 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: why would they bother? |
| 04:27.54 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: I moved computers did a dis upgrade.. (done that a few times now.. (I go through laptops!) and everything seems stable now.. I am running 1.5.0.7 |
| 04:28.21 | Mordantly_Bright | ouch, |
| 04:28.21 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: adobe like to make life miserable for free software users, because it drives (and maintains) their proprietary software |
| 04:28.25 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: v9 of flash should be out soon.. I am still on v7 what ever the latest is.. |
| 04:28.38 | Mordantly_Bright | I thought they wised up a bit. |
| 04:28.47 | S2AnGeL | I found if you load the worng flash.. there seemed to be a few .. I had issues too |
| 04:28.51 | Guerin | not that there's any real alternative in FS to premiere/illustrator/photoshop |
| 04:29.06 | Guerin | and now that they have macromedia, too... |
| 04:29.07 | abrotman | gimp isn't bad .. inkscape is fun |
| 04:29.12 | Guerin | yeh, they're not bad |
| 04:29.22 | Mordantly_Bright | I am using the beta 9 now, but not the latest, only thing I use flash is for youtube and google video. |
| 04:29.38 | abrotman | beta9 is worse than 7 |
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| 04:29.52 | Guerin | but expecting a professional designer to use them is like expecting marcus gronholm to race in a ford escort |
| 04:29.53 | abrotman | last i tried it anyways |
| 04:29.54 | Pc_Dark | How do I go back into a screen |
| 04:29.58 | Pc_Dark | I have IRSSI running on screen |
| 04:30.02 | Pc_Dark | I want to go back into it |
| 04:30.05 | abrotman | Guerin: some people do use them |
| 04:30.05 | Mordantly_Bright | rofl |
| 04:30.06 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: abobe just sorta bought them so v9 I dunno if it was finished .. or it was around that time.. give adobe time to get right into everything.. I hope they start moving cool stuff like macromedia dreamweaver over tolinux |
| 04:30.06 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: screen -rd |
| 04:30.10 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 04:30.32 | Mordantly_Bright | they need to as it could be a growing market. |
| 04:30.34 | Cyis | haha... sitting here wondering why this install is going so slow... check'd my OpenWRT router and realized I'd set QoS at 1Mbps rather than 3Mbps which is my line's speed :) |
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| 04:30.40 | Guerin | abrotman: yes, some people do. Not many whose livelihoods depend on it, though. Which is sad, because thatb would really drive development. |
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| 04:30.45 | Pc_Dark | There is no screen to be detached matching irssi. |
| 04:30.52 | Pc_Dark | that's what it returned :/ |
| 04:30.54 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: man screen |
| 04:31.03 | abrotman | Guerin: i know a few that do .. though .. i also don't know many people that do grahpics fora living |
| 04:31.06 | Mordantly_Bright | Cyis: why do you limit it, you at work or something. |
| 04:31.14 | scruffy | Mordantly_Bright: are you using the debian flash package or one you downloaded from Macrobemedia? |
| 04:31.18 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: corel draw.. still a big fan of them.. could be cause I like features.. and options.. though you would of had to be a user through the versions or it gets confusing |
| 04:31.40 | Guerin | abrotman: yeh, one of my best mates is a graphic designer. He lives in illustrator/photoshop |
| 04:31.46 | Cyis | Mordantly_Bright: I'm performing Quality of Service prioritization of packets... 1Mbps was just the default that was setup and I forgot to change it |
| 04:31.47 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: yeh, they're before my time |
| 04:31.55 | Mordantly_Bright | scruffy: I started with the one for nonfree, but found it was older, and download the one from adobe, then uninstalled nonfree flash. |
| 04:32.03 | pe3r | abrotman, what do i do after installing smp support, just reboot? |
| 04:32.10 | abrotman | Guerin: he probably does macs too! |
| 04:32.14 | abrotman | pe3r: sure |
| 04:32.17 | Mordantly_Bright | Cyis: gotch ya, |
| 04:32.25 | Guerin | abrotman: hell no, hates 'em. He does have *some* brains. |
| 04:32.43 | Guerin | not too bad on unix, either |
| 04:32.46 | Cyis | was defaulted to 128Kbps/1Mbps and I get 384Kbps/3Mbps |
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| 04:33.04 | Cyis | changed the status from saying close to 2 hours to complete to under 20 minutes |
| 04:33.09 | abrotman | Guerin: he uses windows? :) |
| 04:33.23 | Guerin | abrotman: sure does. |
| 04:33.29 | Pc_Dark | why doesn't screen -rd PID open up IRSSI |
| 04:33.34 | Pc_Dark | ps -e shows IRSSI's PID |
| 04:33.39 | Pc_Dark | and It's correct |
| 04:33.49 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: is the screen attached? |
| 04:34.00 | Pc_Dark | It's running |
| 04:34.05 | Pc_Dark | My client is connected |
| 04:34.07 | Pc_Dark | I see it online |
| 04:34.11 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: that's not the question I asked. |
| 04:34.15 | Pc_Dark | Oh |
| 04:34.16 | Pc_Dark | I don't know |
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| 04:34.21 | Pc_Dark | i did "screen irssi" |
| 04:34.22 | Guerin | is it *attached*? screen -ls will tell you |
| 04:34.25 | Pc_Dark | that's it |
| 04:34.36 | Pc_Dark | detached |
| 04:34.40 | Pc_Dark | They're all detached |
| 04:34.47 | S2AnGeL | the adobe one latest v7 is the one to have .. with a firefox flash blocker.. eally makes control of your web surfing alot nicer.. (I seem to think so) nothing like a crazy flash page to suck up your resources just to make some anoying swirl or something silly.. what a waste |
| 04:34.52 | Guerin | screen -r ,pid. |
| 04:34.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:35.11 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: no flash -> no problem |
| 04:35.39 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: flash block allows that control its great |
| 04:35.55 | S2AnGeL | I am hoping flash will die |
| 04:36.06 | S2AnGeL | and something open will grow.. |
| 04:36.06 | Mordantly_Bright | yeah but doesn't google video and youtube complain about older version of flash. |
| 04:36.08 | Pc_Dark | there is no screen to be resumed |
| 04:36.10 | Guerin | i'm hoping for an open SVG framework |
| 04:36.11 | Pc_Dark | this is so annoyikng |
| 04:36.21 | Pc_Dark | My client is connected |
| 04:36.25 | Guerin | but since adobe own the foremost SVG implemnentation, too ... it's unlikely |
| 04:36.30 | Pc_Dark | none of the PID's match in screen -ls |
| 04:36.42 | Pc_Dark | They're not even listed as IRSSI's PID's |
| 04:36.55 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: they won't. They'll be screen pids. |
| 04:37.02 | S2AnGeL | google vieo is all good for v7 my tube.. I think has the odd non compatible.. I think.. |
| 04:37.08 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: screen -r <pidofascreensession> |
| 04:37.15 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 04:37.23 | S2AnGeL | I don't rember issues with anything so far.. |
| 04:37.25 | dererk | Hi there! :) |
| 04:37.30 | S2AnGeL | hi |
| 04:37.34 | Mordantly_Bright | I might have to downgrade then if it works on both sites. |
| 04:37.38 | Guerin | fx 2293.pts-0.vadreas (Detached) -> screen -r 2293 |
| 04:38.03 | S2AnGeL | so thous of you running the latest cutting edge v9 is it smoother then v7 |
| 04:38.11 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: ask #flash |
| 04:38.32 | dererk | I'm running pure 64 debian, and I need to build a kernel for i386 arch. But no matter how I do that, even inside a chroot of a debootstraped debian 32bits, can't succed |
| 04:38.36 | S2AnGeL | if I get stuck on not having something work i just run the internet explorer linux hack it comes with latest v9 flash.. |
| 04:38.47 | Mordantly_Bright | I have a duron 800 , so smooth is realitve. |
| 04:39.05 | Mordantly_Bright | I haven't bothered with flash on my amd64 machine. |
| 04:39.05 | dererk | It always give me 3 options of processors, all of them 64bits arch |
| 04:39.31 | Guerin | dererk: #debian-amd64 may know |
| 04:39.36 | Mordantly_Bright | I noticed that on some files flash sound stops working. other times it's fine. |
| 04:39.42 | dererk | Guerin, perfect! thanks! |
| 04:39.48 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright I find that using icevm helps alot |
| 04:39.54 | Guerin | dererk: well, here is an option, too. But more options is good. |
| 04:40.07 | Mordantly_Bright | I use fluxbox with rox, right now. |
| 04:40.15 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: flash is broken .. tell adobe |
| 04:40.23 | dererk | Guerin, no, really thanks, I didn't even know that channel existed! |
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| 04:40.35 | S2AnGeL | abrotman: I think they know.. |
| 04:40.37 | Mordantly_Bright | abrotman: I did I filled out one of those online request forms. |
| 04:40.50 | Mordantly_Bright | like thats going to make a difference. |
| 04:40.56 | peterS | abrotman: they cancelled the dance class, so I didn't have to decide whether to go |
| 04:40.59 | Guerin | every little bit counts |
| 04:41.12 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. good deal .. but you went out anyways! |
| 04:41.17 | Guerin | I got a reply to my installation report today, FTW! |
| 04:41.18 | Mordantly_Bright | I agree, |
| 04:41.19 | peterS | no! I stayed home! |
| 04:41.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:41.29 | peterS | just went afk for awhile |
| 04:41.34 | abrotman | peterS: did it get icy ? |
| 04:41.39 | Guerin | time for barbecue, methinks |
| 04:41.55 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: be nice if there was a website where we could put a few bucks down for thous of us who want something faster.. and development would go faster towards people who pool there money towards stuff.. |
| 04:42.10 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: but then again why help a closed ocmpany like adobe |
| 04:42.17 | peterS | abrotman: sidewalks are definitely a bit icy, but no worse than several hours ago. streets - I can't easily see a street from here and I'm not going outside to check |
| 04:42.32 | abrotman | peterS: i'll pay you! |
| 04:42.37 | peterS | I imagine minor streets are a bit icy, major streets probably fine |
| 04:43.02 | peterS | the layer of sleet/snow this afternoon really is quite thin, so you get a few cars going over it, it wouldn't last |
| 04:43.02 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: its always time for bbq, dont forget the drinks. |
| 04:43.19 | abrotman | peterS: that's no fun ... |
| 04:43.34 | S2AnGeL | peterS: whats the temp where you are? |
| 04:43.38 | Mordantly_Bright | thats the problem, I feel bad about supporting adobe. but its better than M$. |
| 04:43.55 | peterS | SaLoMoN: -7C. it was +18C yesterday, -9C a few hours ago. bleh. |
| 04:43.57 | dererk | shit... got it running! :D |
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| 04:44.04 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: good point.. least adobe has ported alot to linux |
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| 04:44.11 | dererk | FTR, aptitude install linux32 (utility) |
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| 04:44.14 | PRAEDO | abrotman, that command finished |
| 04:44.17 | PRAEDO | it didn't remove everything |
| 04:44.18 | dererk | in fact... |
| 04:44.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:44.24 | PRAEDO | just 966Mb of corrupted packages |
| 04:44.30 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: and they don't try to embrace , extend then control |
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| 04:44.33 | PRAEDO | not only configuration files |
| 04:44.37 | dererk | dpkg, emulate 32bits is You must install "linux32" utility |
| 04:44.37 | dpkg | okay, dererk |
| 04:45.06 | PRAEDO | i'm glad to have trusted |
| 04:45.09 | PRAEDO | now i have a clean system |
| 04:45.38 | Mordantly_Bright | maybe now they will pay for that anyone been keeping up on the state cases seems that the witness was a hero to Open source. |
| 04:45.44 | PRAEDO | i don't think i would have been able to figure out that command by myself |
| 04:46.12 | S2AnGeL | weather.ca states it will be -24 C on wed where I am at.. |
| 04:46.50 | delire | no |
| 04:46.55 | Mordantly_Bright | -24 ouch, it was 60 degrees here today supposed to rain. |
| 04:47.19 | Mordantly_Bright | I worry if its below 30 degrees F |
| 04:47.44 | S2AnGeL | after -12 I don't drive.. damages the car too much |
| 04:48.15 | peterS | S2AnGeL: -24C? here I was annoyed at -9C this afternoon. where are you? |
| 04:48.20 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: the entire planet is going meteorologically bonkers. 'weather' will become the fodder of psychics. |
| 04:48.39 | S2AnGeL | I will open my paypal account up if anyone wants to see me go to the sidewalk and back.. lol on wed when the temp drops |
| 04:48.49 | S2AnGeL | Ontario canada |
| 04:48.54 | delire | here in Germany it's the warmest it's been since Germany, as a concept, existed. |
| 04:48.57 | S2AnGeL | Toronto area |
| 04:49.02 | Mordantly_Bright | delire: I agree, they say 2006 was the hotest on record. |
| 04:49.15 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: it's time to find a new planet. |
| 04:49.35 | Mordantly_Bright | In the midsouth, Memphis to be exact. |
| 04:49.46 | S2AnGeL | I hear today manatoba canada at this moment is at -45 right now they say it feels like 50 something negative C |
| 04:49.49 | Mordantly_Bright | thats what my whois says anyway. |
| 04:50.02 | delire | this time last year it was -17C |
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| 04:50.12 | peterS | seriously though, when was this planet _not_ meteorologically bonkers? when was weather prediction _not_ the fodder of psychics? |
| 04:50.26 | S2AnGeL | yup we messed this one up |
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| 04:50.53 | Mordantly_Bright | as long as the gulf current still works me should be ok. but they say its slowing down. |
| 04:51.17 | Mordantly_Bright | too much fresh water in the north, England might become the new siberia. |
| 04:51.21 | S2AnGeL | now anything below -26 is just not safe to go out in.. unless you are tottaly prepared |
| 04:51.21 | delire | peterS: any uncorrupt meteorologist will tell you that this is the most unstable period since the ice age. for better or worse, many of us are going to die. |
| 04:51.24 | abrotman | peterS: i bet it will be cold tomorrow! |
| 04:51.29 | delire | abrotman: hehe |
| 04:51.37 | delire | wager on that. |
| 04:51.39 | peterS | abrotman: see, yesterday I would have bet it would be warm today. oh well. |
| 04:52.24 | abrotman | it's going to rain all weekend here .. not happy about it |
| 04:52.29 | S2AnGeL | I think I am going to clear my garage out move the car in.. migt not cause as much damage then |
| 04:52.33 | Mordantly_Bright | actually were I live, I miss all the huricans, and the big storms, but the crime rate is outrageous. |
| 04:52.45 | Mordantly_Bright | so if the storm won't get ya the crime will. |
| 04:52.57 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: so you got some good crime over there.. any deals on laptops |
| 04:53.00 | S2AnGeL | lolo |
| 04:53.01 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: crime and weather go back a long way. look at the Midlands of the U.K ;) |
| 04:53.27 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright:you gotta think positive lol |
| 04:53.33 | Mordantly_Bright | rofl, they go for the easy stuff. |
| 04:53.56 | Mordantly_Bright | besides most people here don't have laptops. |
| 04:54.01 | PRAEDO | hello |
| 04:54.16 | Mordantly_Bright | remember I live in the midsouth soul capital of the world, a guitar maybe. |
| 04:54.20 | PRAEDO | what do i have to put in /etc/fstab to be able to updatedb a nfs utf-8 partition? |
| 04:54.26 | PRAEDO | nls=utf8 isn't working |
| 04:54.31 | S2AnGeL | the cold does not bothere me.. warm inside.. its just that they get us to depend on the electric companies the gass companies.. and it comes down to this.. if the power goes out we are fubar |
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| 04:54.54 | Mordantly_Bright | what about backup generators. |
| 04:56.09 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: well we still get odd power outtages when people use to much electicity.. I imagine its that way every ware.. |
| 04:56.22 | delire | S2AnGeL: next year might be 10C hotter, if Europe is any indication. |
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| 04:56.35 | Mordantly_Bright | Yeah I get a blackout like once or twice a year. |
| 04:56.36 | S2AnGeL | I have a 5000 watt inverter.. and could start my car .. but gas is terrible expensive |
| 04:56.52 | S2AnGeL | actuay it seems to be dropping a bit.. |
| 04:56.57 | Mordantly_Bright | I havea grill and eat all the good stuff in my freezer if its for long. |
| 04:57.00 | delire | S2AnGeL: friends in Madrid are already talking about an early Spring, in January. |
| 04:57.37 | Mordantly_Bright | I did get poff, as my cable went out during finals, had a big report due, and it went out. |
| 04:58.02 | Mordantly_Bright | had to go old school to look up resources and stuff. |
| 04:58.19 | S2AnGeL | they say the poles are changing.. some say its the carbon in our air but if 13 times they can see evidence 12 million years or whas it 13 million what ever.. of flash freezing of the earth.. then I don't think the carbon matters.. |
| 04:58.38 | delire | the thermo-physical construct we call the weather is heavily affected by the discharge of industry. alot of people wll perish in the coming years, in all hemispheres. |
| 04:58.53 | delire | S2AnGeL: hehe |
| 04:59.03 | S2AnGeL | the part that scares me is the flash freezing |
| 04:59.03 | Mordantly_Bright | yeah if war doesn't do it first, |
| 04:59.03 | peterS | delire: that's a pretty bland statement. a lot of people _always_ perish every year, in all hemispheres |
| 04:59.36 | delire | peterS: of course, but more will as a result of the overtly apparent changes in our atmosphere. |
| 04:59.56 | PingFloyd | the poles have always been moving |
| 04:59.58 | delire | peterS: it's already well underway. find another planet. |
| 05:00.06 | Mordantly_Bright | Nah we just have to wait about 50 years then the countries will cease to have a national identy. |
| 05:00.11 | abrotman | not sure if you've noticed .. the planet is kind of crowded .. losing a few thousand gentoo users/global warming causes .. not a bad thing IMO |
| 05:00.11 | S2AnGeL | I have lotsa wifi stuff .. 400mw with 7dbi I will setup a AP if everything goes down.. in the future.. and allow passer by to communicate lol.. |
| 05:00.18 | peterS | meh, we know how to cope with bad weather, I'll stay here awhile longer yet |
| 05:00.19 | delire | abrotman: haha |
| 05:00.23 | delire | nice 1 |
| 05:00.56 | peterS | global warming is really a conspiracy by the canadians to make their land habitable |
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| 05:01.01 | Mordantly_Bright | we will all speak arabic, or spanish. |
| 05:01.15 | delire | peterS: you're already lost. |
| 05:01.25 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: hehe try chinese. |
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| 05:01.50 | Mordantly_Bright | they stay in their country, don't see any mass migration. |
| 05:01.51 | S2AnGeL | be nice to run debian on that $100 dollar laptop they are talking about.. I like that messh or what ever networking.. be kinda cool.. if the internet shutdown in a area due to crazy weather.. power and all.. and everyone had some sort of wireless device.. (cellphone what ever laptop) that we all could still communicate cause of a mesh of devices networking.. |
| 05:02.24 | S2AnGeL | lol |
| 05:02.33 | deadcat_ | why is a x86 300mhz so fast vs a 266mhz mips? |
| 05:02.47 | peterS | delire: what sort of mips? |
| 05:02.52 | peterS | deadcat_: ^^^ |
| 05:02.53 | deadcat_ | the nslu2 |
| 05:02.57 | deadcat_ | arm |
| 05:02.59 | S2AnGeL | I dunno about that.. alot of people have moved to the states.. we get alot of new people .. I dunno lotsa growth over there.. |
| 05:03.00 | deadcat_ | not mips |
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| 05:03.05 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: 1/3 of the human race is Chinese. i met a businessman on a plane who said "i don't like the language but my company made me learn it". |
| 05:03.06 | abrotman | arm isn't mips |
| 05:03.13 | abrotman | and the ARM probably is faster |
| 05:03.35 | deadcat_ | abrotman: nah. the 300mhz x86 kills the 266mhz arm. |
| 05:03.37 | peterS | yeah arm and mips have pretty much nothing in common. except that both are for the embedded market and can be set to either of big/little-endian |
| 05:03.45 | delire | S2AnGeL: the U.S is a service ecomony. you don't _make_ a whole lot these days. |
| 05:03.51 | zinx | deadcat_: floating point? |
| 05:03.53 | abrotman | deadcat_: same RAM ? |
| 05:03.59 | peterS | deadcat_: I suspect the speed difference is mainly the amount of RAM available |
| 05:04.00 | deadcat_ | zinx: ? |
| 05:04.00 | dendrite | deadcat_: The slug may have less RAM? |
| 05:04.05 | Mordantly_Bright | yeah I agree. really can't argue against the numbers. |
| 05:04.05 | zinx | deadcat_: i think most ARM processors have no floating point |
| 05:04.07 | deadcat_ | dendrite: i guess. (= |
| 05:04.12 | abrotman | deadcat_: same bus speed ? |
| 05:04.24 | deadcat_ | abrotman: hehe. x86 650MB vs arm 32MB ram |
| 05:04.30 | deadcat_ | but i have swap (= |
| 05:04.37 | S2AnGeL | so arm is one of the faster of the embedded processors on the market today.. |
| 05:04.39 | zinx | swap is extremely slow |
| 05:04.44 | dendrite | deadcat_: Case closed. =) |
| 05:04.48 | deadcat_ | heheh |
| 05:04.48 | Mordantly_Bright | so whos your favorite blog over at debain planet. |
| 05:04.50 | abrotman | deadcat_: golly .. imagine that |
| 05:05.09 | peterS | Mordantly_Bright: if you spell it 'debain' that would have to be jaldhar's blog, "La Salle Debain" |
| 05:05.42 | Mordantly_Bright | my bad I like cookers, nice. |
| 05:05.54 | abrotman | jcape: fastest answer ever! |
| 05:06.00 | pe3r | what app can you use to show both of your processors status, load, etc |
| 05:06.07 | abrotman | atop |
| 05:06.09 | mardi_soir | Hello some one in etch can pasebin for me his soures.list please .. |
| 05:06.10 | delire | atop |
| 05:06.12 | Mordantly_Bright | top |
| 05:06.25 | Mordantly_Bright | just hit 1 |
| 05:06.29 | peterS | mardi_soir: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch |
| 05:06.44 | deadcat_ | mardi_soir: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib just change unstable to etch |
| 05:06.45 | jcape | abrotman: Lowered Expectations ;-) |
| 05:06.45 | Mordantly_Bright | dang give that man a cigar, |
| 05:07.00 | Mordantly_Bright | quickest answer yet. |
| 05:07.11 | mardi_soir | deadcat_, and peterS thanks to you |
| 05:07.54 | Mordantly_Bright | am I the only one who uses top in here lol |
| 05:08.05 | deadcat_ | nope |
| 05:08.46 | Mordantly_Bright | hehe |
| 05:09.59 | deadcat_ | i love my qube3, but i will love it more if i can get it working with my 80gig instead of the noisy 10gig. |
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| 05:10.29 | pe3r | i don't think both my cpus are working |
| 05:10.36 | deadcat_ | replace them |
| 05:10.37 | pe3r | i think only one of them is active |
| 05:11.34 | abrotman | pe3r: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. how many are there ? |
| 05:11.36 | Mordantly_Bright | check dmesg, see if they are initalized, just grep for cpu1. |
| 05:11.42 | delire | pe3r: you run a Dual Core machine? |
| 05:12.01 | deadcat_ | using smp kernel? |
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| 05:12.08 | pe3r | abrotman: 0 |
| 05:12.14 | pe3r | im running on top of windows |
| 05:12.15 | pe3r | lol |
| 05:12.19 | delire | pe3r: abrotman is right. cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out what the kernel sees |
| 05:12.20 | pe3r | aka vmware |
| 05:12.33 | delire | pe3r: that's a whole other thing. |
| 05:12.41 | deadcat_ | pe3r: try #vmware |
| 05:12.41 | pe3r | you think that's the problem? |
| 05:12.46 | abrotman | pe3r: uhm ... ask #vmware if it even supports two CPUs |
| 05:12.54 | delire | pe3r: of course it's possibly the problem. |
| 05:12.55 | abrotman | i doubt vmware emulates SMP |
| 05:13.07 | Mordantly_Bright | the kernel won't see it if its not initalized. |
| 05:13.09 | delire | pe3r: see #vmware |
| 05:13.13 | pe3r | i am |
| 05:15.27 | pe3r | delire, i have dual cpu machine |
| 05:15.32 | pe3r | not dual core |
| 05:15.33 | delire | pe3r: you speak English. imagine an exhausted translator between you and a Serbian audience. that's vmware. |
| 05:15.46 | pe3r | a |
| 05:15.47 | abrotman | that's nice .. i doubt vmware is emulating a dual proc box |
| 05:15.59 | delire | agreed. |
| 05:16.21 | concept10 | abrotman, you have to get this app: http://www.exaile.org/trac/wiki.. the best ive seen on GTK |
| 05:17.21 | abrotman | concept10: screenshots ? |
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| 05:17.53 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys... I can't unmount a optical drive because something is being used, but I'm not sure by what... is there any way I can find out what's using the CD/DVD? |
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| 05:18.12 | delire | lsof might be a good start. |
| 05:18.13 | abrotman | concept10: got one via FM |
| 05:18.30 | abrotman | concept10: http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/60270.png |
| 05:18.35 | Mordantly_Bright | make sure your out of the media directory of your optical drive. |
| 05:18.45 | deadcat_ | how can i tell if my hdd is LBA48 or LBA24? |
| 05:18.46 | abrotman | concept10: i like QL though |
| 05:19.03 | Mordantly_Bright | if that doesn't work kill your xterm unless your in a console. |
| 05:19.04 | delire | ArtVandalae: if you're sure you're finished with the mounted fs, try a lazy umount with the flag -l. |
| 05:19.06 | concept10 | abrotman, its like a non bloated version of amarok for gtk |
| 05:19.26 | abrotman | concept10: i haven't tried amarok in a long time |
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| 05:19.57 | abrotman | concept10: not in sid is it ? |
| 05:20.04 | abrotman | concept10: did you file an RFP ? |
| 05:20.41 | concept10 | abrotman, no, i need to do that after I finish some bug reports |
| 05:20.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 05:21.06 | concept10 | abrotman, it will not play streams |
| 05:21.18 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 05:21.22 | abrotman | that stinks |
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| 05:22.22 | concept10 | now, I can remove BMPx, and amarok |
| 05:22.54 | abrotman | QL! |
| 05:22.54 | Guerin | bat, there I am, out on the deck, starting to get a reasonable set of coals in the barbecue, and ... it starts raining |
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| 05:23.39 | abrotman | Guerin: keep cooking! |
| 05:23.52 | Mordantly_Bright | looks like rythym box. |
| 05:23.59 | Guerin | abrotman: I am. Just closed the lid and hoping it can deal |
| 05:24.09 | abrotman | depends what youre cooking i suppose ;) |
| 05:24.10 | concept10 | Mordantly_Bright, its not even close to that junk |
| 05:24.29 | Mordantly_Bright | Please explain. |
| 05:24.46 | abrotman | Mordantly_Bright: which looks like RB ? |
| 05:24.52 | concept10 | Mordantly_Bright, I simply mean the layout is different |
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| 05:25.09 | Mordantly_Bright | thats what it looks like |
| 05:25.31 | Mordantly_Bright | except for the album picture. |
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| 05:26.42 | concept10 | It has those tabs on the left side and more tabs (for more playlists) may be added on the right side |
| 05:27.38 | bucky | hi zophy |
| 05:27.38 | samuel | im trying to start a gnome session without a window manager or panels so as I can use all my apps well under enlightenment, but I do not want to change those settings under session properties since i often change from enlightenment session and gnome session. is there any way to do that from gnome-session? |
| 05:27.38 | tall__1 | what does this mean?? "Unable to create socket: Address family not supported by protocol" |
| 05:27.38 | zophy | bucky, hello, how are you ? |
| 05:28.25 | zophy | tall__1, coding error |
| 05:29.01 | tall__1 | that's not what I wanted to hear, heh |
| 05:29.24 | concept10 | man I love that gnome apps are non modal |
| 05:29.51 | concept10 | thats a reason to switch from windows in itself! |
| 05:30.02 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.13 | Bogus8 | this happens on multiple WM's so it's not that |
| 05:30.26 | bucky | tall__1: is this in php? |
| 05:30.52 | tall__1 | no |
| 05:30.55 | tall__1 | an ircd |
| 05:31.13 | SerajewelKS | woot, just got a new laptop, installing debian :) |
| 05:31.30 | tall__1 | how is debian with wireless? |
| 05:32.21 | S2AnGeL | tall__1:good |
| 05:33.11 | S2AnGeL | It runs air crack kismet quite nicely.. there are great atheros , and numous othere card support.. |
| 05:33.18 | S2AnGeL | kanotix.com |
| 05:33.44 | SerajewelKS | and for the shitty cards we have ndiswrapper :) |
| 05:34.05 | S2AnGeL | lol |
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| 05:34.47 | S2AnGeL | I recommend the atheros chipset cards the madwifi is pretty decent.. |
| 05:35.07 | tall__1 | I was hoping for the internal wireless card |
| 05:35.41 | S2AnGeL | nothing like having a external antenna if you travel alot.. gives that little bit more of gusto .. plus you can use a cantenna.. |
| 05:35.50 | tall__1 | true |
| 05:35.59 | tall__1 | but I don't travel a lot anymore |
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| 05:36.39 | S2AnGeL | the last thinkpad i destryed had a intel 100mw not bad.. but sorta drove me nuts I could not get that little gusto I am use to with a external antenna |
| 05:37.09 | S2AnGeL | is this on a stand alone for your own network.. |
| 05:37.41 | tall__1 | yep |
| 05:37.51 | S2AnGeL | do you have a wifi card right now? |
| 05:37.57 | SerajewelKS | god dammit |
| 05:37.58 | S2AnGeL | if so what is it? |
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| 05:38.06 | tall__1 | well, at first, but like you said if I do take it somewhere I would like it to work |
| 05:38.10 | tall__1 | um |
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| 05:38.16 | SerajewelKS | this is going to be one of those boxen where which card is eth0 and which card is eth1 is totally random... fuck |
| 05:38.30 | tall__1 | moosen |
| 05:38.59 | tall__1 | well, I am not on my laptop with this prog |
| 05:39.19 | tall__1 | I have sata and the debian installer doesn't recognize any of my drives on my laptop |
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| 05:39.51 | tall__1 | only version I have been able to install on it is gentoo, and I'm nowhere near as advanged as I need to be to set up that mess well |
| 05:39.59 | tall__1 | advanced* |
| 05:40.15 | grendal_prime | i whish there was a way to tune down nexuiz |
| 05:40.31 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to get it to a playable level on my laptop.. |
| 05:40.43 | S2AnGeL | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.47 | grendal_prime | yet i can play quake via cedega, and its just fine. |
| 05:40.56 | Mordantly_Bright | why not try warsow! |
| 05:40.59 | kakalto | is there a guide to disabling IPv6 support? |
| 05:41.06 | Mordantly_Bright | I like it its fun game. |
| 05:41.08 | tall__1 | downloading as we speak |
| 05:41.28 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 05:41.32 | Mordantly_Bright | sweet, tell me what nick, and we can have a go. |
| 05:41.51 | S2AnGeL | tall__1: its based on sid.. its sorta the same as konnopix.. but you can actualy do a apt-get upgrade and it will still work lol |
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| 05:41.58 | S2AnGeL | knoppix |
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| 05:42.43 | tall__1 | nice |
| 05:43.07 | S2AnGeL | way better done then knoppix .. I think some of the team split up.. be intresting to see what happens.. but its still a very recent version.. to install do your partions.. then kanotix-installer in root shell |
| 05:43.18 | S2AnGeL | oh.. yah it has a butten there.. lol |
| 05:43.34 | kakalto | SerajewelKS: I did that at startup (normally it is being used when I try), but I'm getting timeouts and slow net |
| 05:43.56 | kakalto | so I wonder if it's still trying to use ipv6 |
| 05:44.02 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: what does `lsmod | grep ipv6` say |
| 05:44.09 | S2AnGeL | supporta all the sata stuff most of it.. and the intel thinkpads very well.. once installed it does not matter add your repositories and go whild.. |
| 05:44.13 | S2AnGeL | wild |
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| 05:45.13 | Mordantly_Bright | I guess abrotman called it a day. |
| 05:45.50 | Guerin | night |
| 05:45.52 | Guerin | morning |
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| 05:46.53 | Mordantly_Bright | good evening. |
| 05:46.56 | kakalto | SerajewelKS: nothing |
| 05:47.06 | SerajewelKS | is there a fix for two network adapters randomly switching between eth0 and eth1 on reboon? |
| 05:47.08 | Mordantly_Bright | still got like 19 mins tell witching hour. |
| 05:47.14 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: then you aren't using ipv6 :) |
| 05:47.18 | kakalto | SerajewelKS: I just found a few environment variables and stuff to set to remove ipv6 support, so I'll just reboot now |
| 05:47.28 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: shrug, pointless |
| 05:47.41 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: there is no ipv6 in your kernel; ipv6 is not the problem |
| 05:47.55 | kakalto | SerajewelKS: I'm not using it, but I'm pretty sure programs are going slower because they're attempting to use ipv6 when it's not there |
| 05:48.03 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: except they can't |
| 05:48.15 | kakalto | SerajewelKS: I'll reboot and see if I'm wrong =) |
| 05:48.18 | kakalto | BRB |
| 05:48.21 | S2AnGeL | SerajewelKS: maybe there is a way to do it in "/etc/network/interfaces " |
| 05:48.25 | SerajewelKS | kakalto: if they try to use it the kernel is going to kick back an error message on the order of nanoseconds. |
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| 05:48.37 | S2AnGeL | I hate that.. fliping like that |
| 05:48.51 | SerajewelKS | S2AnGeL: i sure hope so... it's hella annoying. |
| 05:49.02 | SerajewelKS | kakalto... god... |
| 05:49.17 | Mordantly_Bright | left dooh |
| 05:49.48 | Mordantly_Bright | [upset that his no one knows what mordant means] |
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| 05:50.39 | Mordantly_Bright | [acidic, and caustic] |
| 05:50.59 | SerajewelKS | what all does "desktop environment" install besides X? gnome? kde? |
| 05:51.08 | Mordantly_Bright | thinks as a joke to use brighter_N_U, as a joke. |
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| 05:51.19 | S2AnGeL | if there is a way to set mac address |
| 05:51.28 | Mordantly_Bright | no one would of got it as a pun. |
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| 05:52.00 | S2AnGeL | SerajewelKS: not sure but there is a option to set logical possibly .. just reading the " man interfaces " |
| 05:52.04 | SerajewelKS | S2AnGeL: there is but that is not relevant to which is eth0 and which is eth1 |
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| 05:52.16 | SerajewelKS | S2AnGeL: re mac addresses that is |
| 05:52.21 | S2AnGeL | yah |
| 05:52.22 | Mordantly_Bright | just use aptitude and install the desktop you want. |
| 05:52.40 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: that's what i usually do, just curious |
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| 05:53.04 | Mordantly_Bright | it does do a good job, if you want some of both, and have room for it. |
| 05:53.09 | S2AnGeL | it says IFACE and LOGICAL.. not sure what the diffrence is |
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| 05:53.33 | Mordantly_Bright | sometimes just using aptitude might miss something that x wants. but isn't a dependency. |
| 05:53.57 | kakalto | does anyone have ideas why my ethernet card automatically gets an IP address 169.254.9.x when it's meant to get an address from my router (set to give out 192.168.0.x addresses) ? |
| 05:54.02 | kakalto | it's not set to static IP |
| 05:54.25 | SerajewelKS | S2AnGeL: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg288926.html |
| 05:54.28 | S2AnGeL | kakalto: you running a dlink router |
| 05:54.31 | Mordantly_Bright | that happened once to me I thought tar came with bzip2, and was dumb founded with the error messages I was getting. |
| 05:54.32 | Guerin | kakalto: post your /etc/network/interfaces file someplace |
| 05:54.38 | Guerin | routers are stupid |
| 05:55.01 | Mordantly_Bright | then I checked to see if I had bzip2 installed nope. weird how it missed it, as bzip2 is an option for tar. |
| 05:55.02 | kakalto | S2AnGeL: D-Link brand? no. |
| 05:55.27 | Mordantly_Bright | set your router to give static IP address. |
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| 05:55.55 | Mordantly_Bright | have your router get a dynamic, from isp, then set static to your network. thats what I do. |
| 05:55.57 | kakalto | Mordantly_Bright: it's worked fine with anything other than debian. |
| 05:56.06 | Mordantly_Bright | bummer. |
| 05:56.18 | kakalto | I don't see why I should change its settings (and the rest of the comptuers' settings) just because debian has issues |
| 05:56.19 | S2AnGeL | SerajewelKS: nice |
| 05:56.51 | Guerin | kakalto: then I guess you're stuck with it. |
| 05:57.01 | Mordantly_Bright | kakalto: I agree, but in the long term it's to your advantage as you know which comp gets what address. |
| 05:57.03 | S2AnGeL | SerajewelKS: but does it work.. reboot a few times I tell you I am running etch 2.6.18 |
| 05:57.24 | Guerin | dynamic addressing is a waste of time unless you have a very, very changeable network |
| 05:57.29 | S2AnGeL | and when the wifi cards come up some times I have to guess. what card is what |
| 05:57.35 | Mordantly_Bright | why does everyone want to reboot all the frigging time. |
| 05:57.41 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 05:57.42 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 05:57.59 | kakalto | is it possible that the router has already given its limit of IP addresses, hence this computer isn't retrieving a good one? |
| 05:58.03 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: laptop internal, external wifi card and internal regular network card |
| 05:58.04 | Mordantly_Bright | just stop and start the service, or go into single user mode then back into init 2. |
| 05:58.09 | kakalto | Guerin: pastebinning... |
| 05:58.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah, i should leave my laptop on 24/7... |
| 05:58.21 | kakalto | Guerin: http://pastebin.com/858194 |
| 05:58.29 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what's that got to do with anything? |
| 05:58.56 | Mordantly_Bright | probably not the limit is like 256 for most routers. |
| 05:58.58 | S2AnGeL | Mordantly_Bright: in this case the problem is when it boots.. card interface come up ramdomly .. (trying to set a mac to a device!) |
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| 05:59.00 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that qotd, sound's like you're bashing people who have to reboot occasionally |
| 05:59.16 | SerajewelKS | sounds* |
| 05:59.31 | Mordantly_Bright | S2AnGeL: thats a good reason, thought it was something trival. |
| 05:59.34 | Guerin | on my main box i have a static internet IP; 10.0.0.* is my wireless network and 10.0.1.* is my wired network |
| 05:59.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: guerin doesn't even appear in that qotd |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | simple |
| 05:59.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ease up, dawg. |
| 05:59.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS: see the context in which he triggered that factoid |
| 06:00.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: break out a spliff, crack a beer |
| 06:00.13 | Guerin | it's saturday, don't take life so serious |
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| 06:00.28 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: hows that bbq comming. |
| 06:00.40 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: 50/50 |
| 06:00.41 | SerajewelKS | true, i should be kicking back and relaxing |
| 06:00.41 | peterS | oooh it is saturday. I didn't even notice, since my usual friday routine was disrupted by bad weather |
| 06:00.47 | Guerin | the rain is damping it somewhat |
| 06:01.05 | Mordantly_Bright | sounds yummy, going to grill on sunday. |
| 06:01.09 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if i'm grumpy it's because i'm in a room with 4 computers running, one of which is a laptop (on my lap) and no airflow |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | kakalto: that's pretty self-explanatory. What do you get from running dhclient or whatever on the cli? |
| 06:01.22 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: I was able to maintain my laptop on none stop for about aprox 30 days.. between jobs.. ( I do service calls) from car adaptor to office docking bay to wall jack all dam day.. but it was a bit of work.. eventualy I got tired of it.. but thats my record anywya |
| 06:01.23 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so it's a little stuffy and hot in here |
| 06:01.25 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: argh. |
| 06:01.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:01.58 | enouf | in /etc/udev/rules.d there's a bunch of rules there .. it's a pain, yet fairly easy to do though .. I'm just not sure of which file and the exact synatx, though I have about 1/2 a clue ;-0 |
| 06:02.18 | Guerin | wow, it's properly fucking raining out there now |
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| 06:02.35 | Guerin | once these coals cool down I might be fux0red |
| 06:02.35 | enouf | grendal_prime: where's the stinkin tarps you were bragging about? |
| 06:02.37 | Mordantly_Bright | enouf: thats more than I had, about changing eth |
| 06:02.37 | S2AnGeL | I think it just started snowing again over here |
| 06:02.42 | enouf | bah Guerin ^^ |
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| 06:02.57 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: the difference being it's the middle of freaking summer where I am |
| 06:03.02 | Guerin | or so the calendar tells me |
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| 06:03.12 | Guerin | enouf: eh? |
| 06:03.14 | kakalto_ | Guerin: I just reset my router, and ifdown'd then ifup'd eth0, and now I have the IP address I expected |
| 06:03.18 | Guerin | enouf: oh, the blue one I put up for NYE |
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| 06:03.30 | Guerin | kakalto_: mm, so your router is fucktarded |
| 06:03.31 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: where are you in this crazy world.. |
| 06:03.37 | enouf | Mordantly_Bright: start here I gues http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 06:03.42 | S2AnGeL | summer .. its winter |
| 06:03.43 | Mordantly_Bright | kakalto_: ouch, |
| 06:03.53 | peterS | S2AnGeL: he's in NZ |
| 06:03.53 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: about 20km from Helm's Deep |
| 06:03.59 | Mordantly_Bright | nice link. |
| 06:04.03 | S2AnGeL | ahh |
| 06:04.10 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: kakalto is about 50-100k from Hobbiton |
| 06:04.11 | kakalto_ | Guerin: may have been results of having a LAN here, and default settings are about 10 IP's to give out, which none were released? |
| 06:04.27 | S2AnGeL | Guerin: whwere everyone pays for there garbage on the curb |
| 06:04.29 | Guerin | kakalto_: still, that's retarded. It should error gracefully. |
| 06:04.49 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: yeh. Well, we pay for the pretty yellow bags and then cram as much shit in as possible |
| 06:04.59 | kakalto_ | Guerin: I've been told by my ISP that the router they gave me was crap... but they wouldn't replace it for free. |
| 06:05.01 | peterS | ahh, the .ch system |
| 06:05.03 | Guerin | kakalto_: nice. |
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| 06:05.13 | Guerin | kakalto_: which ISP? xtra? |
| 06:05.16 | kakalto_ | Guerin: therefore, I go with what I can... |
| 06:05.24 | enouf | Mordantly_Bright: a little note .. the ones that matter to the kernel/system are the == ones .. the = ones are just descriptors for you to have easily identifiable names for your devices, etc |
| 06:05.24 | kakalto_ | Guerin: hehe. nah, The Packing Shed |
| 06:05.30 | Guerin | never heard of it |
| 06:05.33 | kakalto_ | local |
| 06:05.34 | S2AnGeL | not sure why I rember that about NZ.. but its something you guys are known for.. do people litter alot cause of it.. or are the rules pretty strick fines and all.. |
| 06:05.35 | Guerin | sounds very King Country |
| 06:05.38 | S2AnGeL | just sorta have to know |
| 06:05.45 | kakalto_ | Guerin: =) they do wired country |
| 06:05.47 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: wtf? |
| 06:05.49 | kakalto_ | the wireless one |
| 06:06.17 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: this isn't Singapore, you know |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | we have separate government and law enforcement |
| 06:06.29 | S2AnGeL | well if you have to pay .. people will dump.. instead of pay.. some empty lot.. ditch that sorta thing.. |
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| 06:06.44 | S2AnGeL | frig we have tax paied pickup and people dump.. its messed |
| 06:06.45 | Mordantly_Bright | does this work with usb devices to guarntee the same device tag. |
| 06:06.50 | Guerin | S2AnGeL: not really, since it's cheap, and the social stigma of dumping rubbish is pretty high. |
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| 06:07.23 | Guerin | and in general, dumping rubbish is just more effort than putting it in a yeller bag and out on a thursday morning |
| 06:07.28 | enouf | kakalto_: apt-get remove --purge zeroconf |
| 06:07.29 | Guerin | NZers are lazy at heart |
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| 06:07.34 | S2AnGeL | k well I got my fill .. i am no longer here.. in spirt.. on idle .. |
| 06:07.54 | ha[M]id | I haven't chromium ! :( |
| 06:07.56 | ha[M]id | ! |
| 06:07.59 | ha[M]id | :( |
| 06:08.03 | SerajewelKS | is there a linux driver for 14e4:4320? |
| 06:08.08 | SerajewelKS | google not helping a lot |
| 06:08.10 | peterS | Guerin: too lazy to spray-paint white bags yellow? (: |
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| 06:08.22 | Mordantly_Bright | is that a mac address. |
| 06:08.36 | samuel | how does gksu work? how does it know when your session has ended? i cant get it to store the password unless gnome-session is running... any ideas how? im trying to get admin apps to store password in enlightenment for the duration of the enlightenment session... but i dont want to change the WM in gnome-session since i use normal gnome session also |
| 06:08.40 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: a pci id |
| 06:08.40 | Guerin | peterS: the hard bit is spraypainting WELLINGTON CITY COUNCIL stencils on each one ... that makes it too much work. |
| 06:08.41 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: uh... what device? some hex won't help much |
| 06:08.48 | peterS | right, right |
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| 06:08.52 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: it should help a lot :) |
| 06:08.54 | Mordantly_Bright | oh so what does lspci say about it. |
| 06:09.02 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: but it's some broadcom wifi device |
| 06:09.04 | delire | King Country.. a good spot |
| 06:09.13 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: that's the pci id from lspci |
| 06:09.26 | Mordantly_Bright | ouch |
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| 06:09.30 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: oooh. you could try bcm43xx, but don't hold your breath. |
| 06:09.55 | Guerin | and, seriously, at $1.50 for a bag which holds 20 litres of anything that's not hazchem, who'd bother |
| 06:09.59 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:10.00 | Mordantly_Bright | those bcm are hard nuts to crack. |
| 06:10.05 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: afaict, it only supports 4312 and below well. bcm4318 and above seem to be more broken then normal. |
| 06:10.21 | SerajewelKS | wtf, module not found |
| 06:10.26 | SerajewelKS | not according to slocate... |
| 06:10.43 | SerajewelKS | ah it would help if i rebooted into that kernel i suppose |
| 06:11.00 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: yes, that would help... i knew that pci id was familiar, somehow... |
| 06:11.13 | delire | Guerin: are you in NZ atm? |
| 06:11.20 | Guerin | delire: I am indeed. |
| 06:11.21 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: i fought a broadcom card for a good year before giving up and buying an intel wireless card. |
| 06:11.30 | delire | Guerin: you a wiki? |
| 06:11.33 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: well this is internal |
| 06:11.35 | delire | kiwi? |
| 06:11.42 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: a laptop? |
| 06:11.47 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: yes |
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| 06:11.50 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: thats bad thought your nation was the eptiome of green |
| 06:11.52 | Guerin | delire: yes, I was born here. |
| 06:11.59 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: the lan nic is probed just fine |
| 06:12.04 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: heh. |
| 06:12.18 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: oh, you can change those out... unless you have an HP or Compaq, then you need to do some hacking. |
| 06:12.29 | Mordantly_Bright | yeah an example to the rest of the world about environmental issues. |
| 06:12.45 | Asc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.46 | delire | Guerin: i was also. |
| 06:12.48 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: if bcm43xx doesn't work... just use ndiswrapper, assuming you're x86 :-( |
| 06:12.52 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: well, what's bad about it? |
| 06:12.55 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: this is a 4306, and after booting the kernel, iwconfig shows me an eth2 :) |
| 06:12.59 | Guerin | delire: WAYN lol? |
| 06:13.05 | Mordantly_Bright | I just gave a way an intel 802.11b mini pci card. |
| 06:13.11 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: oh, you lucked out, that card is fairly well supported. |
| 06:13.18 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: i don't have a wap to test with but it looks good |
| 06:13.18 | Guerin | [sidenote: fuck WAYN, and fuck all the people who send me WAYN.com messages] |
| 06:13.23 | Mordantly_Bright | I meant its sad that people cant dispose of trash properly. |
| 06:13.31 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: but we can ... and generally do. |
| 06:13.53 | delire | Guerin: i've seen you here for a few years. wasn't aware you're a kiwi. |
| 06:13.54 | Guerin | Mordantly_Bright: see, the yeller bags get picked up by the nice Wellington City COuncil rubbish man once a week |
| 06:14.00 | Mordantly_Bright | :) way to be the example |
| 06:14.02 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: you wouldn't happen to know if the ati radeon 345m is supported well too? |
| 06:14.23 | Guerin | delire: i previously lived in Korea, and I tried not to think too much about home. |
| 06:14.31 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: no ati cards after the 9600 are well supported. fglrx drivers suck, but they should give 3d |
| 06:14.56 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: don't really care about 3d, i just need enough support that X doesn't absolutely suck. |
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| 06:15.11 | Guerin | delire: at the moment you appear to be in GeoIP Country Edition: --, N/A |
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| 06:15.43 | delire | Guerin: i live in .de currently. |
| 06:16.00 | Guerin | delire: your name isn't Steve Hunt is it? |
| 06:16.03 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: oh, then the open source ati drivers will likely work, and VESA should work fine. |
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| 06:16.17 | delire | Guerin: no it's not ;) |
| 06:16.26 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: okay thanks. nod, drxx selected the ati module after probing. |
| 06:16.30 | delire | Guerin: though the name is conspicuously familiar. |
| 06:16.36 | Guerin | one in 80-somthing million :) |
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| 06:16.57 | delire | Guerin: or 4.1 million if he's a kiwi.. |
| 06:17.11 | Guerin | delire: he studied compsci at waikato in the mid-80s, now lives in Berlin. I met him at film skool and made a couple films/stage shows with him. |
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| 06:17.22 | Guerin | or rather, he made them and I stood around not knowing what to do |
| 06:17.29 | Guerin | maybe late 80s |
| 06:17.54 | delire | Guerin: the name snds v' familiar. i know quite a few film makers from nz. |
| 06:18.10 | enouf | !which driver |
| 06:18.10 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 06:18.36 | enouf | or am I way late ..again .. darn this backlog |
| 06:19.41 | DavidProck1981 | yo I download a full dvd rip, and it only has the VIDEO_TS folder can I burn that folder to a dvd data project and it play in a standard dvd player |
| 06:20.07 | Guerin | delire: this is not #im_too_retarded_to_use_the_warez_i_downloaded |
| 06:20.11 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:20.15 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: see above |
| 06:20.27 | Mordantly_Bright | you will need a blank audio_ts file too to be compliant. |
| 06:20.37 | Mordantly_Bright | but should work depending on the player. |
| 06:20.58 | DavidProck1981 | if I hade windows I could to it, but I don't know about linux |
| 06:20.58 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: thats funny, rofl |
| 06:21.01 | delire | DavidProck1981: what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 06:21.13 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if DavidProck1981 knows that the RIAA secretly monitors this channel :) |
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| 06:21.40 | DavidProck1981 | RIAA? what is that |
| 06:21.41 | Mordantly_Bright | just make a blank file in a directory. |
| 06:21.50 | SerajewelKS | the MPAA rather |
| 06:21.56 | delire | DavidProck1981: it's a bot in #debian |
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| 06:22.09 | SerajewelKS | DavidProck1981: the organization that sues the shit out of people that pirate movies |
| 06:22.22 | Mordantly_Bright | mkdir warez, cd warez touch audio_ts cp video_ts then burn. |
| 06:22.50 | Mordantly_Bright | clear as mud. |
| 06:23.07 | DavidProck1981 | im not going to sell it, im just going to watch it, and im not helping it share |
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| 06:23.30 | krazykit | \\ |
| 06:23.54 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: that makes you even MORE of a bastard - sinning both against the RIAA and against your fellow netizens! |
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| 06:24.15 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: actually the MPAA but they're all the same |
| 06:24.19 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: the least you can do with a warez dvd is give other people the opportunity to share in its joys! |
| 06:24.59 | DavidProck1981 | I got a few things I keep for share |
| 06:25.01 | Mordantly_Bright | a little not to the weary never mention download, its backup, and its home video not movies. |
| 06:25.12 | Mordantly_Bright | I meant note. |
| 06:25.21 | DavidProck1981 | one of them the share ratio is just about 7.0 |
| 06:25.47 | DavidProck1981 | games that are native to linux |
| 06:25.57 | Mordantly_Bright | DavidProck1981: it also helps if you don't have your name in your nick, you know want to keep on the down low. |
| 06:26.00 | DavidProck1981 | Doom3 and UT GOTY |
| 06:26.04 | delire | DavidProck1981: this is software unspecific to Debian. possible IP contention aside, this is like asking a question about backing up bookmarks in Firefox. |
| 06:26.29 | DavidProck1981 | who said this is my real name LOL |
| 06:26.31 | SerajewelKS | delire: except that we support firefox, as it's in debian |
| 06:26.51 | Mordantly_Bright | DavidProck1981: seriously dude, I gave you the answer a few lines up. |
| 06:26.51 | SerajewelKS | or the rebranded firefox anyway |
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| 06:27.24 | delire | SerajewelKS: 'icepony'? |
| 06:27.36 | SerajewelKS | iceweasel |
| 06:27.46 | delire | ahah, that's it. |
| 06:27.58 | SerajewelKS | icedove being the rebrand of thunderbird |
| 06:28.07 | Mordantly_Bright | delire: you could always do what ubuntu did call it by its name lol |
| 06:28.22 | SerajewelKS | kickass replacement logos btw |
| 06:28.25 | delire | Mordantly_Bright: i was joking anyway ;) |
| 06:28.31 | Mordantly_Bright | I mean who cars about all that license stuff [runs and hides] |
| 06:28.34 | SerajewelKS | looks tons better than mozilla's nonfree logos |
| 06:28.37 | Mordantly_Bright | I know |
| 06:29.16 | DavidProck1981 | yo in any one here a Vegan |
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| 06:29.38 | delire | i just find it pretty funny how the nonfree contest produced such an elemental diametric: fire/ ice, fox/ weasel |
| 06:29.55 | krazykit | DavidProck1981: now you're just entirely offtopic. |
| 06:29.58 | SerajewelKS | delire: it's great though |
| 06:30.14 | Mordantly_Bright | we could of always called it debian_bane must have the precious. |
| 06:30.43 | SerajewelKS | my lovely! my precious kernel ring buffer! |
| 06:30.56 | Mordantly_Bright | you guys are hard on the noobs. |
| 06:31.08 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: it's how they learn |
| 06:31.10 | Mordantly_Bright | SerajewelKS: rofl hehe |
| 06:31.27 | Mordantly_Bright | I didn't mean all of ya. just some of ya. |
| 06:31.55 | Mordantly_Bright | reminds of debian_user at times. |
| 06:32.10 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: there's a good chance you live at 1032 E Lexington Ave High Point NC |
| 06:32.16 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: no! even though it's mostly the same people? never! |
| 06:32.17 | Mordantly_Bright | not like its all debian all the time. |
| 06:32.32 | Mordantly_Bright | SerajewelKS: rofl |
| 06:32.41 | DavidProck1981 | no Guerin |
| 06:32.53 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you would say that ;) |
| 06:33.05 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: do me next please lets see how good you are hehe. |
| 06:33.08 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: there's a difference between being offtopic and being offtopic and obnoxious |
| 06:33.14 | DavidProck1981 | ok ya do me a favor bomb that house for me ok |
| 06:33.23 | Mordantly_Bright | SerajewelKS: I agree. |
| 06:33.54 | Mordantly_Bright | its not like freenode is the place to hide on irc or something. |
| 06:34.11 | SerajewelKS | is anyony even in #debian on oftc? |
| 06:34.23 | Coweater | yes |
| 06:34.45 | Mordantly_Bright | dang I gave out most of that info already dang, I gonna sue, for social engineering :) |
| 06:35.03 | Mordantly_Bright | I am too lazy to check. |
| 06:35.21 | Mordantly_Bright | its sad |
| 06:36.06 | Mordantly_Bright | SerajewelKS: so hows it comming getting things setup! |
| 06:36.48 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: good, i think the last thing will be sound, everything else is working |
| 06:36.57 | Mordantly_Bright | great :) |
| 06:37.31 | enouf | DavidProck1981: here's a hint --> "jfgi" |
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| 06:38.19 | Mordantly_Bright | got to hand it to em he's getting a tough skin, |
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| 06:42.23 | Mordantly_Bright | kind of fill sorry for him, I mean why didn't he just keep quite instead of spilling his guts. |
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| 06:42.36 | SerajewelKS | Mordantly_Bright: i take it back, sound already works |
| 06:42.50 | Mordantly_Bright | Thats great, |
| 06:43.08 | Mordantly_Bright | sounds like your almost hit a home run. |
| 06:43.10 | SerajewelKS | debian surprises me sometimes |
| 06:43.21 | Guerin | keep quite? |
| 06:43.25 | SerajewelKS | i remember when it sucked at desktop hardware... |
| 06:43.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: nope. |
| 06:43.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: or my desktop hardware rather |
| 06:43.49 | Guerin | the only thing I've ever had grief with was ISA |
| 06:44.02 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: heh, I remember when it sucked at *your* desktop gear |
| 06:44.17 | Mordantly_Bright | Guerin: I meant telling us what stuff he downloaded. |
| 06:44.17 | Guerin | krazykit: durn whipper-snappers these days! |
| 06:44.24 | SerajewelKS | but yeah everything in this laptop is supported OOTB on debian |
| 06:44.25 | Mordantly_Bright | like its that important. |
| 06:44.27 | SerajewelKS | which is kickass |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: wireless? |
| 06:44.48 | SerajewelKS | hrm everything but suspend and hibernation apparently |
| 06:44.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:44.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yup |
| 06:44.58 | Guerin | yeh, suspend2 is the win |
| 06:45.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what chipset? |
| 06:45.14 | Mordantly_Bright | krazykit: I owned what was before and then after but not isa. |
| 06:45.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'm not sure exactly, nothing is sticking out in lspci |
| 06:45.32 | Mordantly_Bright | I doubt a trs80, and a ti 99/4a count right. |
| 06:45.48 | SerajewelKS | delire: hmm |
| 06:46.15 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: suspend2 patches and builds and works flawlessly |
| 06:46.15 | Guerin | so I suggest using that |
| 06:46.16 | Guerin | but hell, try the acpi-support thing |
| 06:46.16 | SerajewelKS | delire: that is already installed |
| 06:46.23 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what laptop? |
| 06:46.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: anything short of a kernel rebuild would be nice |
| 06:46.27 | Mordantly_Bright | I remember back in HS I was the comp lab apple support for the Elem school back in the day. |
| 06:46.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hp compaq nx9010 |
| 06:46.42 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: unfortunately, a kernel rebuild is required for sws2 |
| 06:46.59 | Mordantly_Bright | it wont take that long, |
| 06:47.02 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hmm okay... any reason it's not enabled stock? |
| 06:47.03 | Guerin | it's *meant* to go into mainline sometime |
| 06:47.11 | SerajewelKS | ah, okay |
| 06:47.17 | delire | Guerin: i know of a few Debian laptop users that have simple copied the Ubuntu acpi scripts and have had success. |
| 06:47.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it has historically been a bit flakey and occasionally caused data loss |
| 06:47.30 | delire | s/simple/simply |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I've used it for a bit over a year on two different laptops without a single moment's hassle |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | delire: nice. |
| 06:48.00 | kakalto_ | enouf: well, 'net is going fine now, after I reset my router... but why zeroconf? |
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| 06:48.10 | SerajewelKS | i'm on on 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 06:48.15 | SerajewelKS | s/ on// |
| 06:48.33 | Guerin | yet more beer is required |
| 06:48.37 | enouf | kakalto_: apt-cache show zeroconf .. then dpkg -l zeroconf |
| 06:48.40 | krazykit | 2.6.19.1 :-) |
| 06:48.50 | Guerin | goodness, i'm not getting anywhere near 1MPG |
| 06:49.02 | enouf | kakalto_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 06:49.13 | SerajewelKS | delire: what command would i run to hibernate? |
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| 06:50.10 | kakalto_ | enouf: I was under the impression that in general, computers just default to 169.254.x.x when no network is present, but I guess this is why it's done under linux, thanks |
| 06:50.28 | delire | if it's an init script then look for it in /etc/init.d, otherwise look into the hibernate command: hibernate - smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk) |
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| 06:50.41 | delire | s/command/program |
| 06:50.51 | Guerin | yeh, powersaved has a bunch of goodies |
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| 06:50.58 | Guerin | and is very configurable |
| 06:50.58 | delire | agreed |
| 06:51.26 | SerajewelKS | delire: okay well that command makes my display "goofy" for about 2 secs then returns me to the desktop, no messages on the console |
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| 06:51.38 | Guerin | as in, you can configure it to play `last chance for a slow dance' when it's about to run out of power |
| 06:51.43 | SerajewelKS | nothing in dmesg either |
| 06:51.44 | Guerin | or whatever |
| 06:52.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: configurate it. |
| 06:52.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: /var/log/hibernate.log and see /etc/hibernate/ |
| 06:52.12 | enouf | kakalto_: usually it's MS networked boxes and their NetBIOS shit that's sending out probing net packets |
| 06:52.53 | kakalto_ | enouf: ahk. so will removing zeroconf affect samba sharing at all? |
| 06:52.59 | delire | SerajewelKS: you might find, as many have, that you simply need to modify your suspend/hibernate scripts to modprobe -r your network +/or gfx devices before suspending or hibernating. |
| 06:53.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: anything specific? the log shows success everywhere, but i'm not sure what i'm editing in the conffiles. |
| 06:53.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the method used to suspend |
| 06:53.40 | enouf | kakalto_: it shouldn't .. you shouldn't be connected that way .. but ya never know .. you can very easily reinstall it .. sugest you read up about it though |
| 06:54.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's worth getting to know powersaved config quite well, since it's very configurable to your specific needs |
| 06:54.28 | kakalto_ | enouf: I had a skimread about it a month or two ago, seemed like a good idea, so I kept in my mind "that's a package I likely want" |
| 06:54.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: still nothing |
| 06:54.37 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: there's at least 2 scripts, one for suspend to disk, one for suspend to ram, hiberante has an option to specify whic you use |
| 06:55.10 | delire | SerajewelKS: Guerin's right. you really can get a good recipe together using powersaved quickly. |
| 06:55.22 | SerajewelKS | delire: i just want to see it work right now |
| 06:55.39 | SerajewelKS | delire: i won't be hibernating unless i want to, i don't want it to do it itself. |
| 06:56.03 | delire | SerajewelKS: hehe, well unfortunately your current distro doesn't prioritise the 'desktop' as an install target. |
| 06:56.04 | Guerin | mine hibernates under two circumstances: lid close and 1% battery |
| 06:56.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the log probably has an error higher up where you didn';t read |
| 06:56.29 | SerajewelKS | delire: fine but some error as to why it's not working would be great |
| 06:56.50 | delire | i haven't explored lib-close as a hibernate switch. admittedly this is because hibernation itself takes a long time on this machine. |
| 06:56.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: shall i pastebin? |
| 06:57.05 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: feel free |
| 06:57.32 | Guerin | a little-known secret about the battery meters in most li-ion things is that the last few % are quite a lot bigger than the rest. Time your battery between 3% and 2%, for a test. I got about 16 minutes on that one %age, on a machine which got about 2.5 hours on a full battery. |
| 06:58.10 | delire | interesting. i didn't know this. |
| 06:58.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: www.pastebin.ca/314989 |
| 06:58.50 | enouf | SerajewelKS: also see the /etc/sysfs.conf file |
| 06:59.04 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not there |
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| 06:59.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it's using /usr/sbin/s2disk, obviously not working.. |
| 06:59.37 | Guerin | then again, my car gets ~40km on the empty light ;) |
| 06:59.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that's ususpend, i'm not familiar with it, its the newest method for suspend to disk |
| 06:59.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: running that manually i get: suspend: Could not stat the resume device file |
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| 07:00.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hrmm .. which release? Sarge .. no .. |
| 07:00.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: etch |
| 07:00.12 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: well, nice, that's your error |
| 07:00.17 | enouf | that's odd .. maybe mine's old |
| 07:00.24 | Wyzard | Guerin: Another little-known secret about li-ion batteries is that it's bad for them to drain them that low anyway :-) |
| 07:00.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: wrt what? |
| 07:00.30 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: usually swap was used for this, if s2disk can use a file, the better |
| 07:00.48 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: we're talking suspend to _disk_, your ram needs a file to be written to |
| 07:01.31 | enouf | SerajewelKS: dpkg -l sysfsutils .. it's part of that pkg |
| 07:01.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: right, and the conffile that specifies where this is is where? |
| 07:01.49 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: im not familar with ususpend.... |
| 07:02.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: just installed it |
| 07:02.19 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i use http://www.suspend2.net/ as i said |
| 07:02.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: though more geared to cpu-freq governing .. there's mention of files/locations .. powersaved , etc |
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| 07:03.03 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: for my notebook suspend 2 ram was much easier to setup ( it just worked ), suspend to disk needs configuration |
| 07:03.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: .. but is alot more hardware agnostic to get working |
| 07:03.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: doesn't suspend to ram require that the system stay powered on to maintain the image? |
| 07:03.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that's right |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | Wyzard: mm, i hadn't thought of that. |
| 07:03.58 | SerajewelKS | that's what i'm trying to avoid |
| 07:04.03 | Guerin | Wyzard: but I do recall reading something to that effect. |
| 07:04.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: also make sure the various acpi pkgs are installed .. acpi, acpid, acpi-support .. |
| 07:05.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: they are |
| 07:05.20 | valdyn | enouf: he's just not specified the file to suspend to, right now |
| 07:05.26 | enouf | there's a pkg called 'uswsusp' i think SerajewelKS |
| 07:05.40 | enouf | valdyn: ok .. I'm drivin blind anyways |
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| 07:06.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's installed too |
| 07:07.52 | enouf | SerajewelKS: in the BIOS is PowerOn enabled? if AMD |
| 07:08.03 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i think /usr/share/doc/ might have a howto |
| 07:08.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm d-r it right now |
| 07:08.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: /usr/share/doc/uswsusp/HOWTO.gz |
| 07:08.44 | enouf | they used to call it Cool-n-Quiet or someshit |
| 07:09.12 | enouf | oh yeah .. it's PowerNow .. not powerOn |
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| 07:09.25 | asc | Using network-admin to dial my modem results in a very slow connection (low baud). Does anybody know how I can configure that? |
| 07:10.12 | Wyzard | Guerin: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ is very informative |
| 07:10.17 | valdyn | asc: modems do connection handshaking independent of your computer, debian cant change it |
| 07:10.21 | SerajewelKS | enouf: tried 'hibernate' and i'm seeing a % now :) |
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| 07:10.37 | SerajewelKS | and it just powered off, now time to resume it |
| 07:10.56 | asc | valdyn: if I use wvdial, it connects at high baud(but doesn't log in). If I use network-admin it connects at low baud, but logs in. |
| 07:11.15 | SerajewelKS | woo, seems to work |
| 07:11.19 | valdyn | asc: compare the AT commands both tools are sending |
| 07:11.34 | SerajewelKS | network still working and all |
| 07:11.38 | asc | valdyn: How might I find what AT commands network-admin is sending? |
| 07:11.58 | SerajewelKS | enouf, valdyn: for future reference, all you need to do is dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp |
| 07:12.24 | asc | (durn thing hasn't got a man page and doesn't appear in synaptic so's I can find its' files) |
| 07:12.40 | SerajewelKS | now if i can get HAL to call hibernation, i can use the applet in my gnome panel to hibernate |
| 07:13.14 | valdyn | asc: /etc/ppp/ppp.conf or somesuch, i haven't used a modem for a long time. I don't think network-admin touches the modem itself |
| 07:13.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ahh .. knew you'd figure it .. thanks for the tip |
| 07:13.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nod, likewise |
| 07:14.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: nice, thanks |
| 07:15.17 | SerajewelKS | god dammit, why must this radio station play the pussycat dolls... TWICE in an hour, no les |
| 07:15.21 | SerajewelKS | less* |
| 07:15.44 | SerajewelKS | and fuck it all, why must i enjoy it... |
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| 07:16.12 | asc | valdyn: No such file seems to exist, but thanks for trying. |
| 07:16.54 | enouf | asc the file /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/wvdial.vim seems to have the ability for all sort of configs |
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| 07:17.18 | SerajewelKS | ok wtf, the hal script for hibernation fails |
| 07:17.28 | SerajewelKS | but the script for hibernating *on linux* works |
| 07:17.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: are you hibernating as a user or root? |
| 07:17.53 | enouf | SerajewelKS: isn't that a Jonathan hair care products sister's project? |
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| 07:18.09 | enouf | oh .. that's the pussycat Lounge .. hehe |
| 07:18.11 | Madeye | any idea how to get the forward and reserve the match of my server host? |
| 07:18.13 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: as root i just use `hibernate` and that works |
| 07:18.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i see |
| 07:18.31 | asc | enouf: I haven't got that file either. I'm starting to suspect that maybe that net install wasn't a very good idea.... |
| 07:18.42 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: hibernating via hal is just ugly too, as hal has its own scripts with distro and hardware specific scripts |
| 07:19.00 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i see that... =/ |
| 07:19.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i wouldn't use it if it doesnt work by default |
| 07:19.11 | enouf | asc: it's in vim-runtime pkg |
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| 07:19.17 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's a policykit setting? |
| 07:19.25 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: but.. if you must, hal can call hibernate if you customize the scripts |
| 07:19.49 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: policy just prevents users, which you could change |
| 07:20.14 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ugly thing is the scripts that test which distro you have etc |
| 07:20.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well i'm not sure exactly why it's not working through hal, because if i ./hal-system-power-hibernate-linux as root, it works |
| 07:20.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: you can use lshal and udevinfo .. but i have no idea what your're looking for or .. ermm .. see http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&view=co for all that stuff |
| 07:21.03 | enouf | if it doesn't appear .. drop everything after the ? |
| 07:21.11 | enouf | and the ? |
| 07:21.43 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so either i'm not allowed to hibernate, or it's never calling that script |
| 07:22.38 | SerajewelKS | okay get this... |
| 07:22.42 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i don't remember how hal hibernate process works.. |
| 07:22.53 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: how do you initiate it? |
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| 07:23.13 | SerajewelKS | if i set the envvar that it uses to determine the os to "linux" then call the generic hal hibernate script, it works |
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| 07:23.27 | SerajewelKS | so why the fuck can hal not figure that out itself |
| 07:23.36 | asc | Aand retry.... |
| 07:23.43 | krazykit | probably because hal is trying to be too clever. |
| 07:23.54 | krazykit | "i can't let you do that" |
| 07:24.07 | SerajewelKS | all the gnome applet says is that hal failed to hibernate |
| 07:24.19 | enouf | hehe .. appropriately named ..HAL6000 |
| 07:24.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that applet runs as user though? |
| 07:24.36 | enouf | "dave, you know I can't let you do that" |
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| 07:24.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes |
| 07:24.55 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ok, easy, that's a policy issue |
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| 07:25.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i thought so :) |
| 07:25.09 | enouf | dave: "open the pod bay doors hal" |
| 07:25.20 | SerajewelKS | it would be nice if that would be *in the damn error message* |
| 07:25.32 | Dembug | hey chaps, question, im working with a backported initramfs kernel (2.6.19 actually) was just wondering if i need any of the initramfstoosl (or initrd tools) to install a kernel with an initramfs fs, or is the packages installed on the machine im loading the kernel onto irrelevant? Sorry for the dumb question :( |
| 07:25.59 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gnome-power-manager.conf |
| 07:26.33 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: add self to powerdev group |
| 07:27.01 | enouf | I notice I have DCOP files in ~ .. fwiw |
| 07:27.11 | enouf | they connect to sockets I presume |
| 07:27.38 | valdyn | Dembug: installing a kernel deb generates the initrd upon installation, so yes you need initramfs tools |
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| 07:27.59 | enouf | !tell Dembug about make-kpkg |
| 07:28.04 | Asc | Thanks y'all - you put me on the right track. |
| 07:28.13 | enouf | bah .. |
| 07:28.28 | Asc | I'm now connected at a blazing 57600 baud. |
| 07:28.31 | enouf | too many nicks with 'De.. ' in here |
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| 07:29.03 | enouf | Asc: w00t! |
| 07:29.03 | Sturts | whats up everyone.. |
| 07:29.03 | deadcat_ | how can i tell if my hdd is LBA48 or LBA24? |
| 07:29.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: logging back in now... |
| 07:29.03 | Sturts | look at the partition |
| 07:29.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: sweet :) thanks for the tips |
| 07:29.12 | valdyn | Dembug: which you chose is up to you, but all but the default may not be configured correctly ( or none might, depending on when you installed debian / how old that config is compared to your kernel ) |
| 07:29.14 | deadcat_ | SerajewelKS: with? |
| 07:29.16 | Asc | Yech. Even going from broadband to 56K wasn't that bad. |
| 07:29.19 | deadcat_ | Sturts: with? |
| 07:29.19 | enouf | deadcat_: apt-get install dmidecode lshw hwinfo ..for starters |
| 07:29.25 | Dembug | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kernel-image-2.6.19-rc3: |
| 07:29.25 | Dembug | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.25 | Dembug | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.27 | Sturts | qtpartman |
| 07:29.37 | Sturts | or qtparted rather |
| 07:29.40 | valdyn | !installit |
| 07:29.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 07:29.41 | Dembug | (Sorry for spam) - > Can i ask though, is initrd-tools suitable for installing an initramfs generated kernel image |
| 07:29.49 | enouf | deadcat_: as root hdparm -I /dev/hdX may al;so tell ya |
| 07:29.58 | Dembug | valdyn : Thanks but im not quite that retarded ;-) |
| 07:30.02 | deadcat_ | enouf: thanks |
| 07:30.27 | valdyn | Dembug: i dont get why you ask then if a dependency is a dependency |
| 07:30.35 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i think i can start installing software now :) |
| 07:30.37 | enouf | Dembug: usually it's initramfs-tools .. but maybe NOT for backported kernels |
| 07:30.39 | Dembug | im not asking if its a dependancy |
| 07:30.46 | Dembug | im asking if i should be using initramfstools instead of initrd |
| 07:30.54 | Nigromante | yes |
| 07:30.58 | Nigromante | you should |
| 07:31.02 | deadcat_ | Sturts: i dont have gui on my system. |
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| 07:31.13 | Dembug | ahh thanks :D I dont want to break it, i know apt can get quite finecky :P |
| 07:31.16 | Sturts | in that case, i'm not sure |
| 07:31.28 | Dembug | when it comes to initrd, at least ;-) Thanks and again, sorry for a sortof soppy question :) |
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| 07:31.48 | Dembug | Maybe someone should mention to debian dev's if it finds an initramfs image not to default dpkg to initrd-tools |
| 07:31.51 | Dembug | kinda misleading you know? |
| 07:32.03 | valdyn | Dembug: it doesnt find an image |
| 07:32.12 | Dembug | ahhh |
| 07:32.23 | valdyn | Dembug: that image is _generated_ that's why the dependency |
| 07:32.34 | Nigromante | Initrd was for older kernel versions, I guess |
| 07:32.40 | Dembug | yup :) |
| 07:32.48 | Sturts | so... why do I get so much breakage when I try to fuck with 2.6.19.1? |
| 07:32.56 | Dembug | heh :D |
| 07:32.58 | Dembug | Know how you feel |
| 07:33.00 | Dembug | im using rc3 :< |
| 07:33.05 | Sturts | almost anything I apt-get makes my gui die... |
| 07:33.05 | valdyn | Sturts: how should we know why you cant install a kernel? |
| 07:33.08 | deadcat_ | Sturts: because you dont know what the fuck you're doing |
| 07:33.14 | Dembug | lol :) |
| 07:33.19 | deadcat_ | its usually true |
| 07:33.22 | Sturts | no I can install the kernel but packages after that kill xorg |
| 07:33.40 | Dembug | Ok chaps interesting result here :> |
| 07:33.43 | Sturts | then I try to reget the xorg packages and it won't let me because something else is broken... |
| 07:33.51 | valdyn | Sturts: now don't tell use what's really going on or someone could help possibly |
| 07:33.53 | Dembug | I installed initramfs-tools but debian still wants initrdtools :D sigh,m better give it what it wants ;< |
| 07:33.54 | PingFloyd | Sturts: there are so many variables when building a kernel |
| 07:34.14 | Nigromante | Sturts, I recommend you to create your own kernel .deb with kernelpackage |
| 07:34.16 | Sturts | if it helps i'm trying to upgrade kernels on an auditor installation |
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| 07:34.26 | deb_noob | does my Qt have gif support? |
| 07:34.27 | valdyn | Dembug: give it what it wants or install the different initramfstools and generate a new kernel deb |
| 07:34.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn, enouf, anyone else i missed: thanks for the help, everything seems to be working just like i want |
| 07:34.37 | Dembug | valdyn ta :) |
| 07:34.37 | Sturts | yeah I was nigromante |
| 07:34.41 | Nigromante | ok |
| 07:34.51 | deb_noob | does Qt have gif support? |
| 07:34.53 | Sturts | compiling the kernel is no problem.. then I apt-get install aim |
| 07:35.15 | Nigromante | may be your dpkg repository is broken? |
| 07:35.19 | Sturts | or something and I get an error about how it might kill xorg and it does... then theres a ton of breakage thats nearly unfixable.. |
| 07:35.25 | Dembug | thanks works fine now valdyn |
| 07:35.48 | Nigromante | use aptitude to find broken packages |
| 07:35.49 | Sturts | i don't think its that nigromante |
| 07:35.50 | Dembug | I always get extremely concerned when i know im using an initramfstools img bootloader and it insists for initrd - IMO that is a "bug" |
| 07:36.00 | valdyn | Sturts: your interpretations of errors are useless. Paste actions and reactions by your system / error logs / commands you type. ( dont paste here ) |
| 07:36.06 | Dembug | valdyn: I cant really winge though, it is a backport ;-) |
| 07:36.13 | valdyn | Dembug: i see |
| 07:36.37 | Sturts | apt-get install gaim |
| 07:36.38 | deb_noob | does anyone know if Qt has gif support? |
| 07:36.46 | Sturts | and I get a blue screen that says xorg may die.. |
| 07:36.52 | valdyn | !tell Sturts -about paste |
| 07:36.52 | Sturts | then it does.. then I no longer have gui... |
| 07:37.04 | Dembug | valdyn: Aye I think I have a valid point, it doesnt necesarily have to be a backport, and it makes no logical sense for apt to want to use initrdtools, at least, not when the 2.6's seldom boot of initrd anymore |
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| 07:37.07 | Nigromante | Sturts, you can allways reinstall your OS, if you find very strange things, that's what I would do |
| 07:37.18 | PingFloyd | how the hell do you get blue screen in Linux? |
| 07:37.27 | Sturts | thats what I've been doing nigromante |
| 07:37.40 | Sturts | its not a ms blue screen. its just a blue screen with an error... |
| 07:37.40 | Nigromante | virtualize Windows PingFloyd |
| 07:37.44 | valdyn | Dembug: that dependency is specific to that deb only, wouldnt be there if it wouldnt use an initrd |
| 07:37.52 | PingFloyd | that's what I was thinking at first :) |
| 07:38.08 | PingFloyd | maybe that's the problem :) |
| 07:38.08 | valdyn | Dembug: all debian kernel debs use an initrd |
| 07:38.09 | Dembug | valdyn: Hmm I'm not so sure of that tbh :D not the first time ive been working the rc3 |
| 07:38.25 | Dembug | valdyn: initramfs is a type of initrd? |
| 07:38.29 | Sturts | does anyone else here use auditor? |
| 07:38.40 | valdyn | Dembug: no, its a tool to generate an initrd |
| 07:38.43 | Dembug | Heh your probably right, the problem is with the creation of the image, not the modules loading it. |
| 07:38.43 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use auditor |
| 07:38.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses auditor, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:38.46 | Nigromante | Sturts, which version of Debian are you working with? |
| 07:39.02 | Dembug | Hmm Ok, I feel kinda stupid now ;-) Thanks |
| 07:39.39 | valdyn | Dembug: each systems initrd depends on the configuration which in turn is set by you or the debian installer depending on your hardware. |
| 07:39.59 | PingFloyd | Sturts: which release? |
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| 07:40.09 | Dembug | valdyn: ok :) |
| 07:40.24 | PingFloyd | s/which/which Debian/ |
| 07:40.24 | Dembug | valdyn: So basically if there was a problem with an image, it'd be a problem with the tool I used to generate it. |
| 07:40.41 | valdyn | Dembug: possibly, usually its probably the configuration |
| 07:40.44 | Dembug | valdyn: But could be to do with teh support that either I or apt/dpkg selects, yes? |
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| 07:40.52 | Sturts | auditor 20060502 |
| 07:40.58 | Dembug | Ok ok :) Thanks so much. |
| 07:41.04 | Dembug | That has been confusing me for so long now ! |
| 07:41.08 | valdyn | Dembug: dpkg / apt select nothing , the dependency is in the deb |
| 07:41.09 | black_13 | are there debian drivers for the ati radeon series of video cards? |
| 07:41.16 | Dembug | ohhhh |
| 07:41.21 | Dembug | Right :) |
| 07:41.35 | Dembug | maybe my images are slightly dodgy.. |
| 07:41.36 | Sturts | yeah black, just enable them in the kernel.. |
| 07:41.49 | Dembug | or i was just taking too much umbridge at apt-get insisting to install initrd-tools on the dpkg -i kernel.deb |
| 07:41.57 | Dembug | When i had actually used initramfs-tools to generate it. |
| 07:42.01 | Dembug | Hope that makes sense ;-) |
| 07:42.11 | enouf | Dembug: a "backported" kernel to me seems it would be one that has ONLY added whatever necessary support is required for it to be functional for whatever purpose it;'s backported (such as adding hardware controller support ior whatever) .. but the initial kerenl was likely a 2.6.8 kernel .. hence initrd |
| 07:42.13 | valdyn | Dembug: you generated what? |
| 07:42.30 | Dembug | (such as adding hardware controller support ior whatever) <--- exactly |
| 07:42.39 | enouf | yep |
| 07:42.42 | Dembug | valdyn: I generated an initramfs with initramfstools instead of initrd-tools |
| 07:42.45 | Dembug | initrd-tools breaks ;-) |
| 07:42.50 | valdyn | Dembug: ok, i see |
| 07:42.53 | enouf | and that's a matter of a few parts only .. |
| 07:42.58 | enouf | libata, etc |
| 07:42.59 | Dembug | yeah :) |
| 07:43.02 | Dembug | primarily libata :P |
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| 07:43.08 | valdyn | Dembug: that dependency is ONLY require to INSTALL the deb, you should be able to remove it after |
| 07:43.11 | Nigromante | I dont like backports |
| 07:43.15 | SerajewelKS | final toll: XPSP2 with the latest updates, AVG, and firefox: 3.2gb etch with iceweasel and monodevelop: 2.3gb |
| 07:43.21 | Dembug | valdyn: ahhhhh.... |
| 07:43.24 | black_13 | sturts ok |
| 07:43.28 | valdyn | Dembug: though im not sure the deb really allows that, its called 'pre-depend' anyway |
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| 07:43.46 | Dembug | Nigromante: me neither, I didnt have much choice. There is a kind of crazy logic there somewhere though. Either that Or i Included something about initrdtools in my kerneldeb that i should not have |
| 07:43.48 | valdyn | Dembug: dependency = needed to run, pre-depend = neede to install |
| 07:43.57 | tnks | Hi. Can I use apt-cache to search for updated source packages (debsrc)? |
| 07:44.07 | Dembug | ahhh :) |
| 07:44.12 | Dembug | Thanks guys, thats really really helpful ;-) |
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| 07:44.40 | tnks | Pine is only distributed as a source package, and I'm wondering if I choose to use it what the best way to "auto" upgrade it might be. |
| 07:44.49 | tnks | Or even know that an upgrade is available. |
| 07:44.56 | valdyn | tnks: you cant |
| 07:44.56 | linux_user400354 | Here is my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/xqxfRd84.html I am only able to make my refresh rate to 50 mhz - 53 mhz. The specs page for my monitor says it should be 1600x1200 @ 77Hz at that resolution. I put in a Monitor section with the correct values from this specs page http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/graphicseries/g810/index.htm However, I still can not increase my refresh rate. |
| 07:45.09 | SerajewelKS | is there a nice gui for wlan configuration? |
| 07:45.34 | PingFloyd | tnks: check with the maintainers |
| 07:45.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: network-manager for gnome is neat, but doesnt work with all wlan drivers |
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| 07:45.47 | PingFloyd | that's the only way I know how for source |
| 07:45.50 | Nigromante | Dembug, did you use the right kernelpackage switch to build initrd image? |
| 07:45.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you're on gnome? |
| 07:46.14 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes |
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| 07:46.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it also does not allow storing multiple configurations |
| 07:46.29 | PingFloyd | oh wait, you meant from the repos |
| 07:46.51 | PingFloyd | in that case, it should just flag them as upgradable if a newer version becomes available on there |
| 07:47.02 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: wifi radar or gnome-network-manager |
| 07:47.11 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: wifi-radar is the package |
| 07:47.16 | tnks | valdyn: PingFloyd: by "can't" I'm assuming you mean I can't auto upgrade. That's fine, but can I at least conveniently check the version number in the repository? |
| 07:47.24 | tnks | (say with apt-cache)? |
| 07:47.27 | PingFloyd | tnks: I think you can actually |
| 07:47.30 | valdyn | tnks: not for src packages |
| 07:47.34 | PingFloyd | if it's from the repo |
| 07:47.54 | Sturts | I'm bored |
| 07:48.05 | tnks | Hmm... that kind of sucks. |
| 07:48.08 | Dembug | <Nigromante> Dembug, did you use the right kernelpackage switch to build initrd image? |
| 07:48.15 | Dembug | I used the only kernel package available that would work |
| 07:48.16 | Dembug | :D |
| 07:48.24 | valdyn | tnks: why do you even want to use source packages? |
| 07:48.27 | Dembug | that was initramfs-tools - installable from the backports repository |
| 07:48.47 | tnks | valdyn: Pine is only distributable (by license) by source. |
| 07:48.48 | Dembug | (backports.org) iirc |
| 07:48.54 | mardi_soir | hello some one know how to fix the console hitorry buffer .. (console means no X not a virual emulator) |
| 07:49.00 | valdyn | tnks: so? |
| 07:49.07 | tnks | I read somewhere that there might have been a pine-src package at some point. |
| 07:49.18 | tnks | but now it's only distributed by a debsrc. |
| 07:49.21 | Nigromante | I mean, build your own kernel image with package called Kernel package: it generates debian's kernel packages |
| 07:49.22 | valdyn | !info pine-src |
| 07:49.27 | valdyn | !info pine-source |
| 07:50.05 | tnks | I've done an apt-get --only-source -b source pine. |
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| 07:50.59 | Nigromante | apt-get install kernel-package |
| 07:51.36 | tnks | valdyn: is dpkg not working? |
| 07:52.40 | valdyn | tnks: it is working , those packages are just no longer in debian |
| 07:54.02 | Nigromante | hi |
| 07:54.02 | PingFloyd | sheesh that's a big old split |
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| 07:54.36 | tnks | valdyn: yeah... I found a thread about it. It seems it was a huge debate about the value of "-src" packages in Debian. |
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| 07:54.53 | valdyn | tnks: pine site has a deb too, for i386 |
| 07:54.55 | tnks | I'm for it, and it's clear that they're already doing it for the kernel and many other programs. |
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| 07:56.46 | Nigromante | hello |
| 07:56.58 | tnks | I don't see why Pine needs such resistance. |
| 07:56.58 | tnks | but whatever. |
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| 07:58.02 | PingFloyd | the idea is the src are for special circumstances |
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| 07:58.56 | testaa | what is a recommended load balancer? |
| 07:59.10 | Nigromante | well, the src is the source of various binary packages |
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| 07:59.47 | Dembug | <Nigromante> I mean, build your own kernel image with package called Kernel package: it generates debian's kernel packages |
| 07:59.50 | Dembug | I usually do :) |
| 07:59.53 | Dembug | Its easier that way. |
| 08:00.02 | Nigromante | yes |
| 08:00.09 | Dembug | in this instance i had to do the ramfs seperate |
| 08:00.15 | Dembug | debian just didnt want to use initramfstools :D |
| 08:00.23 | PingFloyd | a person can use them whenever or for whatever they want, but it's just kind of silly to if the binaries work fine |
| 08:00.41 | Nigromante | they didnt install? |
| 08:00.46 | Dembug | ahh well im not in backport by choice, im running core 2 duo's |
| 08:00.53 | Dembug | got weird i965 boards |
| 08:00.58 | Dembug | need the latest support for it :< |
| 08:01.05 | Dembug | So basically was backport or etch |
| 08:01.21 | Nigromante | what about last kernel? |
| 08:01.24 | Dembug | temp2: +66°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = diode |
| 08:01.30 | Dembug | These duo's dont half get toasty :) |
| 08:01.40 | Dembug | Nigromante what is the "last kernel"? |
| 08:01.51 | Nigromante | last kernel version in kernel.org |
| 08:02.07 | Dembug | ohhh i dont think i tried it.. mainly because i had a backport cd that would work out the box |
| 08:02.13 | Dembug | but yeah i almost used 19.1 :) |
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| 08:02.36 | Nigromante | I would download last kernel source and generate debian packages for it |
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| 08:02.44 | Dembug | ahh right |
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| 08:02.54 | Dembug | instead of backporting and using an rc mm |
| 08:03.01 | Dembug | you must be a sarge man :D |
| 08:03.04 | Nigromante | yes, try it |
| 08:03.13 | tnks | so is there some kind of technical restriction why there's no tool to get version information on the sources? |
| 08:03.14 | Nigromante | no i'm on testing |
| 08:03.17 | Dembug | I will, dont have the time today though :( |
| 08:03.37 | Nigromante | but I had problems with ipw2200 driver when on sarge |
| 08:03.48 | Dembug | mmmm |
| 08:03.52 | SerajewelKS | vanksi: when i `iwlist scan` eth2 reports "no such device" |
| 08:03.53 | Dembug | Im usually a sarge man |
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| 08:03.55 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 08:03.59 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ^^^ |
| 08:04.24 | Dembug | Just wouldnt like someone to think I didnt chose 2.6.19.1 for no reason, i wanted sarge, and had to reach a compromise with a sarge backport with an releasecandidate kernel :D |
| 08:04.45 | Dembug | Sigh, I do talk crap sometimes. |
| 08:04.55 | Dembug | Thanks for the help anyways :) |
| 08:05.03 | Nigromante | you are welcome |
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| 08:05.20 | PingFloyd | I use sarge also |
| 08:06.22 | Dembug | yes.. whenever i use woody i end up breaking something eventually, but heh there is a good reason for that ;-) |
| 08:07.32 | Dembug | about to find out if there is any real ellevation in performance between DDR2 677mhz in dual mode (2 x 1GB sticks) and DDR2 800 in single mode (1x 1GB stick) |
| 08:07.34 | Dembug | could be interesting :D |
| 08:08.06 | Nigromante | no idea |
| 08:08.23 | Dembug | well same, thats why im doing it ;-) |
| 08:08.56 | stoned | haha |
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| 08:09.07 | stoned | I just glanced at my screen and read Dembug as Dimebag |
| 08:09.14 | Dembug | lol |
| 08:09.21 | Dembug | Its usually Debug , or Dimebag :P |
| 08:09.33 | stoned | One of my most favorite guitarists |
| 08:09.33 | Dembug | perhaps an aculmination of the two |
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| 08:10.00 | stoned | Dimebag spanked every other guitarist out there in technique. |
| 08:16.09 | multi_io | I have a problem here with apt-preferences: http://paste.debian.net/19952 |
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| 08:16.46 | multi_io | why does the package from the apt-build repository only get a priorit of 500 instead of 981? |
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| 08:18.02 | multi_io | the priority for "testing" (980) from /etc/apt/preferences is applied, the one for "apt-build" is not. why? |
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| 08:24.21 | scruffy | hi |
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| 08:34.49 | mazzanet | herro |
| 08:35.10 | mazzanet | what package is mencoder in? |
| 08:35.27 | scruffy | mazzanet: mplayer I think |
| 08:35.35 | mazzanet | nope |
| 08:35.37 | mazzanet | tried that |
| 08:35.57 | multi_io | apt-file search bin/mencoder |
| 08:36.00 | scruffy | mazzanet: mencoder might actually be mplayer now (same binary?) |
| 08:36.26 | multi_io | !apt-file |
| 08:36.27 | dpkg | apt-file is probably util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 08:36.37 | mazzanet | ooh |
| 08:36.39 | mazzanet | *installs apt-file* |
| 08:36.40 | SerajewelKS | if i have windows and debian installed on different partitions (obviously) but they have no mounts in common, that is no partition on the hard drive is ever mounted by both, can i safely hibernate both OSes without risk of data loss? |
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| 08:37.29 | scruffy | mazzanet: man -k mencoder says: mencoder (1) [gmplayer] - movie player |
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| 08:38.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no, but probably sufficiently safe |
| 08:39.13 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i mean safe as far as hibernation is safe itself :) |
| 08:39.28 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: sounds like that could destroy the universe |
| 08:39.45 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: awesome, i'll try it ASAP |
| 08:39.50 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: safe enough, some stateful hardware like wireless nics could act weird i guess |
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| 08:40.05 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: isn't the state saved in the statefile? |
| 08:40.19 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: if you're in the US, have you seen the easy button commercials? |
| 08:40.27 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: yes |
| 08:40.58 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: just try it, your data on disk is safe.. |
| 08:41.18 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nod |
| 08:41.46 | SerajewelKS | hahaha.. when i ask IE7 to show me a list of search providers to add to the search bar... it opens it in firefox |
| 08:42.15 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: clearly Microsoft made some improvements |
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| 08:42.51 | SerajewelKS | funny as hell though |
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| 08:46.51 | scruffy | SerajewelKS, valdyn: I don't understand how the disk is going to be able to spin down (does it during hibernate?) unless both OSes will always be hibernating at the same time.. without any log writes, etc. How will that be possible? |
| 08:47.02 | anapivirtua__ | Pom Pom Pom |
| 08:47.14 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: hibernate is nothing more than a poweroff |
| 08:47.17 | valdyn | scruffy: hibernate completely powers the computer off |
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| 08:47.37 | valdyn | scruffy: or suspend to disk would be a more obvious term |
| 08:47.50 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: the system state is saved somewhere... during poweron, the OS checks if the file is there.. if so, it restores it, if not, it boots normally |
| 08:48.27 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: so having linux and windows both in hibernate means nothing more than having one state file on each partition |
| 08:48.33 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: "saved somewhere" sounds like handwaving :D that confuses me, but that wouldn't be anything new. |
| 08:48.38 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: so one can be "in hibernate" while the other is off |
| 08:48.48 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: it's saved in a file on the hard disk |
| 08:49.08 | SerajewelKS | err, one can be in hibernate while the other is on |
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| 08:49.36 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: that, and the realization (embarassingly) that both partitions can't be running OSes at the same time (save for something like chroot) |
| 08:50.04 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: one of those nights? :) |
| 08:50.18 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: unfortunately :) |
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| 08:52.23 | SerajewelKS | bleh |
| 08:52.39 | SerajewelKS | can i get the gnome power applet to lock my desktop before hibernating? |
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| 08:55.16 | cooner750 | How can I setup a cron job script under the user root to run every 5 minutes? |
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| 08:55.43 | scruffy | cooner750: /etc/crontab or `man 5 crontab` |
| 08:55.55 | valdyn | cooner750: or crontab -e as root |
| 08:56.04 | valdyn | cooner750: which i'd recommend over editing system crontab |
| 08:56.42 | cooner750 | I know how to do that, but how do I get the times right so it runs every 5 min (for the record, this is to update an account at uptime-project.net) |
| 08:57.00 | cooner750 | The command that must be run is /bin/yasuc -f /etc/yasuc.conf |
| 08:57.21 | valdyn | cooner750: 0-59/5 * * * * /path/to/script.sh |
| 08:57.53 | cooner750 | the 0-59 part.. Can I enter any number between 0 and 59? |
| 08:58.08 | SerajewelKS | cooner750: any range sure |
| 08:58.21 | SerajewelKS | cooner750: a single number makes no sense with /5 though |
| 08:58.58 | valdyn | cooner750: different numbers don't really make sense for a job supposed to run every 5 minutes |
| 08:59.20 | cooner750 | So would .. say 19/5 * * * * /bin/yasuc work? |
| 08:59.27 | valdyn | cooner750: no? |
| 08:59.38 | SerajewelKS | cooner750: that will never run |
| 08:59.43 | scruffy | concept10: you can just use */5 |
| 08:59.49 | SerajewelKS | cooner750: because 19 is not divisible by 5 |
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| 09:00.15 | cooner750 | so: */5 * * * * /bin/yasuc |
| 09:00.53 | scruffy | cooner750: should be fine |
| 09:02.06 | cooner750 | So far so good |
| 09:02.34 | cooner750 | Some images are taking longer to update than others on Uptime Project though o_O |
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| 09:03.11 | scruffy | cooner750: they're probably doing the cronjob thing as well? :) |
| 09:04.41 | Meaw | hello, i have 2 bootable kernels 2.4 , 2.6 how to make debian default boot at 2.4 ? |
| 09:05.19 | cooner750 | So far it seems to be working ok, according to the profile at http://en.uptime-project.net/page.php?page=toplist&content=profile&uid=113894 It's updating about every 5 minutes |
| 09:06.06 | scruffy | Meaw: using grub or lilo? |
| 09:07.07 | Meaw | grup |
| 09:07.10 | Meaw | grub* |
| 09:07.17 | scruffy | cooner750: are you attached to a UPS? Is that at a co-lo facility or at home? |
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| 09:07.29 | solar_ant | hi !!! |
| 09:07.39 | solar_ant | is there any way to set up a dual head in debian easily ? |
| 09:07.40 | cooner750 | scruffy: At home. UPS' battery is dead though |
| 09:07.55 | solar_ant | i want to use my radeon 9200 with a tv and a monitor |
| 09:08.58 | cooner750 | Does the cron job only run when the user is logged in? |
| 09:09.23 | scruffy | cooner750: I've been up a measly 45 days, but that won't last for long. My system locks up around once a month(!), and I still don't know why. |
| 09:09.59 | cooner750 | Before this I ran ClarkConnect and the record uptime was 44 days, and then the hard drive failed |
| 09:10.45 | cooner750 | 7 year old drive |
| 09:10.55 | scruffy | Meaw: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#default |
| 09:11.18 | cooner750 | It looks like my cron script is only running when the user root is logged in via SSH |
| 09:11.45 | scruffy | cooner750: It should run when logged out also. |
| 09:12.29 | cooner750 | it was at 54 minutes when I closed the Terminal on my Mac. It wouldnt update. 10 minutes later I logged in SSH, waited 5 minutes, and it caught up with itself |
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| 09:12.51 | scruffy | Meaw: also check out http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Interface |
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| 09:13.18 | scruffy | cooner750: you edited the crontab via crontab -e I suppose? |
| 09:13.35 | cooner750 | Yes |
| 09:14.07 | scruffy | cooner750: check grep -i cron /var/log/syslog |
| 09:14.46 | cooner750 | it's ran twice |
| 09:14.58 | cooner750 | with two system cron jobs in between |
| 09:15.26 | cooner750 | ok now it's working I think |
| 09:15.45 | cooner750 | it had to catch up with itself. I'm going to Exit out of SSH and see if it still updates |
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| 09:16.23 | scruffy | cooner750: if mail works on that system, also put MAILTO="root" near the top after the shell shebang (#!/blah) on a line by itself. |
| 09:16.48 | scruffy | cooner750: or substitute root for a valid email address |
| 09:16.49 | hid3 | or MAILTO=real@address |
| 09:16.57 | scruffy | hid3: :) |
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| 09:18.37 | cooner750 | Wont doing that every 5 minutes cause that log file to grow and grow? |
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| 09:19.46 | K|NgGh0sT | My roommate blew a breaker causing my server to shut down, now when it boots it wont load X... how can I find how why it wont? |
| 09:20.12 | scruffy | cooner750: I think it should mail if the program exists with an error exit status |
| 09:20.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Like it says its starting KDM but it just doesnt load the desktop |
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| 09:20.42 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 09:21.03 | cooner750 | Well it's running now without being logged in. What can I do about it causing that log file to become bloated? |
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| 09:21.16 | Dry-ice | How would I go about fixing a oops kernel panic |
| 09:21.17 | Dry-ice | ? |
| 09:21.18 | cooner750 | it's logging it every time it was successful |
| 09:21.37 | scruffy | cooner750: look into limiting that via /etc/syslog.conf |
| 09:21.55 | scruffy | cooner750: although the log should rotate and/or compress if it gets too big. |
| 09:22.13 | scruffy | cooner750: apt-cache show logrotate |
| 09:22.33 | cooner750 | It's installed. |
| 09:22.36 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, what am I looking for? |
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| 09:23.16 | cooner750 | Even though it's supposed to rotate logs, How would I prevent my crontab job from logging in the first place? yasuc has it's own log. |
| 09:23.21 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: not sure, anything that looks like an error. Also check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:24.16 | scruffy | cooner750: good question. You could silence cron.* completely via syslog.conf. |
| 09:24.59 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, not seeing much |
| 09:25.03 | scruffy | cooner750: or only everything but warn and crit? |
| 09:25.14 | cooner750 | Yea |
| 09:25.27 | cooner750 | I dont need it to log that it was successful every 5 minutes |
| 09:26.06 | scruffy | cooner750: looking into logrotate might be better. You can have it rotate when the file gets to X bytes or Kbytes. Up to you. |
| 09:26.29 | K|NgGh0sT | argh, I dont see what could be casuing this issue |
| 09:26.30 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: anything in ~/.xsession-errors? I'm not sure if KDE uses that file |
| 09:26.46 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: ran fsck? |
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| 09:27.34 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: I'd go into single user mode and run fsck if you said this started with a power failure problem |
| 09:27.59 | K|NgGh0sT | Its done this before, just dont remember how I resolved the issue |
| 09:28.34 | cooner750 | scruffy: I can just comment my line in crontab -e to stop it from running tonight until I can look at it tomorrow, right? |
| 09:28.36 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: what happens when it boots? does it try to start KDE and then send you back to the command prompt? |
| 09:28.41 | K|NgGh0sT | yes |
| 09:28.44 | scruffy | cooner750: right |
| 09:28.57 | cooner750 | Does it matter if there is a space after the # ? |
| 09:29.09 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: when it does that, tail -100 /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see what the last line is |
| 09:29.20 | scruffy | cooner750: nope |
| 09:29.44 | cooner750 | Ok, I'm going to go to bed now |
| 09:29.47 | cooner750 | 'night all |
| 09:29.51 | scruffy | cooner750: 'night |
| 09:30.10 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, theres no errors in that log |
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| 09:30.34 | K|NgGh0sT | Besides, Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 09:31.07 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: hmm.. no errors when you're dropped to the prompt? what's in /tmp? |
| 09:31.35 | K|NgGh0sT | Nothing |
| 09:31.50 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 09:32.25 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.25 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:32.25 | K|NgGh0sT | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
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| 09:33.09 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: You got me there. |
| 09:33.16 | multi_io | I think it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log, unless you're on stable |
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| 09:33.30 | nayyares | i have opend a FORWARDing port on firewall, and want to check whether it works, i means want to check from client to remote host connection on this open Forward Port? what linux utility will do this sort of test |
| 09:33.32 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: seems strange that you would have absolutely no error messages when you're dropped to the prompt |
| 09:33.48 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, Thats what I thought |
| 09:33.56 | scruffy | multi_io: that may be it.. I'm not running Xorg |
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| 09:34.08 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm using Etch |
| 09:34.22 | K|NgGh0sT | and XFree I believe |
| 09:34.23 | multi_io | yeah, so it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:34.23 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: check the Xorg.0.log for errors |
| 09:34.46 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 09:34.46 | multi_io | (unless you didn't update for, like, 2 years) |
| 09:34.47 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** |
| 09:34.47 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 09:35.17 | K|NgGh0sT | I dont remember how to tell if I'm using Xfree or Xorg |
| 09:35.42 | multi_io | so, there it is |
| 09:36.02 | multi_io | it can't load the nvdiai driver |
| 09:36.17 | multi_io | try modprobe nvidia I'd say |
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| 09:36.35 | K|NgGh0sT | ya, cant find nvidia |
| 09:36.36 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: looks like it's trying to use a resolution too high, maybe switch to the generic nv module if you use the proprietary nVidia kernel module until you can figure out what is going on |
| 09:37.11 | scruffy | multi_io: good idea, |
| 09:37.16 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 09:37.17 | Dembug | mmm |
| 09:37.34 | multi_io | it prolly may not be directly related to the power failure, it'd also have happened if you had regularly rebooted the machine |
| 09:37.39 | K|NgGh0sT | nvidia_agp 8284 1 |
| 09:37.39 | K|NgGh0sT | agpgart 30216 1 nvidia_agp |
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| 09:38.01 | K|NgGh0sT | Its been over for 9 months so I wouldnt know ;) |
| 09:38.07 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: heheh |
| 09:38.26 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: funny how these things creep up on us |
| 09:38.40 | K|NgGh0sT | it was running awesome for 9 months, then the roomie decided to plug the deepfryer into a random wallsocket |
| 09:38.53 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, should I just reinstall the nvidia drivers? |
| 09:39.03 | K|NgGh0sT | if I remneber there is a dpkg command for the bot here |
| 09:39.08 | multi_io | yes |
| 09:39.22 | multi_io | it must match your kernel |
| 09:39.29 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia |
| 09:39.31 | K|NgGh0sT | or something |
| 09:39.54 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:40.05 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: i wouldn't go so far as to reinstall the nvidia module. |
| 09:40.42 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: you don't have any additional drives mounting or anything, do you, with partitions mounted on them? |
| 09:41.02 | K|NgGh0sT | its all LVM |
| 09:41.44 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: if you've upgraded your kernel, as multi_io mentioned, that could also be a problem, since AFAICR the nvidia module has to be upgraded when the kernel is. |
| 09:43.37 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, I'm not sure what kernel I'm running |
| 09:43.51 | K|NgGh0sT | I can tell you after this reboot |
| 09:43.52 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: uname -r |
| 09:44.12 | K|NgGh0sT | I reinstalled Nvidia drivers |
| 09:44.32 | multi_io | K|NgGh0sT: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 09:44.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Notorious- |
| 09:44.50 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 09:44.51 | K|NgGh0sT | No |
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| 09:45.48 | K|NgGh0sT | its 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 09:46.27 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: if you just reinstalled the nvidia stuff, you'll have to reboot before you'll know if that did it. |
| 09:46.38 | K|NgGh0sT | uh oh |
| 09:46.43 | K|NgGh0sT | I think I killed it |
| 09:47.46 | K|NgGh0sT | i'm getting FSCK errors now |
| 09:48.18 | K|NgGh0sT | if I lose my data I'm screwed, I wasnt running any real raid |
| 09:48.25 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: telinit 1 and run fsck, that could be the entire issue |
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| 09:48.51 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: damn fryers! |
| 09:49.23 | K|NgGh0sT | never going to let roomie deep fry again |
| 09:49.51 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: get a UPS if you can afford it |
| 09:49.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I will |
| 09:50.13 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: that would give you enough time to choke him |
| 09:50.26 | K|NgGh0sT | break his legs even |
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| 09:50.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Its so close to starting X I can feel it |
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| 09:51.10 | K|NgGh0sT | Its trying too |
| 09:51.15 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: if you switch to the generic nv driver for now, it may let you into Xorg. |
| 09:51.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Just, now well a black screen |
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| 09:51.45 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, its in X as far as I can tell, just its a blank black screen |
| 09:52.02 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: grey blank or black blank? |
| 09:52.35 | exs | does anyone know of a free dns?.. my own ISP dns is slow and poor, so I used openDNS and that's also annoying with its built in search engine. Is there any other free dns's? |
| 09:52.40 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, should I use Xfree or Xorg? |
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| 09:53.36 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: Xorg is much improved I hear, but I haven't upgraded yet. I had dpkg put it on hold until I have time |
| 09:54.14 | scruffy | exs: try zoneedit.com |
| 09:55.06 | scruffy | exs: 5 free zones, but I'm assuming you won't need more than 5? |
| 09:55.20 | exs | scruffy: whats "zones" |
| 09:55.33 | scruffy | exs: domains |
| 09:56.03 | scruffy | exs: e.g. foo.example.com and bar.example.com both fall under the zone example.com |
| 09:56.20 | exs | scruffy: confusing |
| 09:56.54 | scruffy | exs: exchange "zones" for "domains" |
| 09:57.08 | exs | scruffy: i've been told 4.2.2.1 is good |
| 09:57.33 | scruffy | exs: You lost me there |
| 09:57.46 | exs | scruffy: simply, in my router, it needs a DNS number |
| 09:57.53 | scruffy | exs: are you talking about local DNS servers? |
| 09:57.55 | exs | my ISP dns is slow and often it doesn't work |
| 09:58.07 | exs | so i try openDNS and its better but the search engine it comes with bugs me |
| 09:58.46 | ecgw | if you don't type wrongly, i guess it shouldn't bug you. |
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| 09:59.25 | exs | ecgw: yeah but also people have told me it's a security issue cos' they log where u go to |
| 09:59.43 | scruffy | exs: are you talking about host resolution (e.g. yahoo.com = 66.94.234.13) or DNS hosting? |
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| 10:00.42 | exs | scruffy: basically, my ISP told me ages ago when i first joined their DNS to put in my router. I done so and it was OK (not great) and after time it got slow and annoying, so i switched to openDNS but they got a search engine thing and it bugs me, my friends also said they log where u go so it's a privacy and securirty concern |
| 10:00.52 | exs | so now im looking for one that is fast, with no search engine |
| 10:01.22 | scruffy | exs: for hostname resolution, I use Bind 9 locally, but there are smaller packages |
| 10:01.51 | exs | scruffy: im not looking to do my own one, that would take too long. Im looking to stuff in a DNS number which isn't going to bug me |
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| 10:02.48 | iain | Can I install Debian to a HDD, then move the HDD into another system and have it work? |
| 10:03.00 | scruffy | exs: there are "caching only" dns servers, such as maradns (apt-cache search maradns) |
| 10:03.05 | Grub_Now | possibly |
| 10:03.45 | exs | im not paranoid, i just want a free decent fast dns. opendns resolves many .com names and so on and it annoys me |
| 10:04.00 | exs | i guess ill have to go back to my old crappy isp one |
| 10:04.01 | iain | I already tried with Ubuntu, which apparently does hardware detection during install and only worked on the original system. Is Debian any different? |
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| 10:04.21 | scruffy | exs: I wouldn't, you can run your own with little problems |
| 10:04.25 | themolester | what is the best way to install debian etch on a asus p5b with a JMB363 controller |
| 10:04.39 | streuner | iain: sure |
| 10:04.53 | themolester | i'm trying amd64 netinst, and its using kernel 2.6.17 |
| 10:05.20 | themolester | i read somewhere that 2.6.18 should be available soon on DI (as of november) and it supports it |
| 10:05.22 | iain | streuner: Debian, then, doesn't do hardware detection during install? |
| 10:05.31 | streuner | iain: it does. |
| 10:05.45 | iain | streuner: Then how is it different in this aspect? |
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| 10:06.07 | streuner | iain: different kernels |
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| 10:07.16 | iain | streuner: Hmm, you think it will really matter? Had any experience with moving HDDs with Linux on them to different systems? |
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| 10:07.41 | streuner | sure :-) |
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| 10:08.13 | streuner | as long as the kernel supports your hardware there is NO problem then. |
| 10:08.40 | H2S04 | iain, I do it all the time :-D |
| 10:09.02 | H2S04 | I actually have a drive that I use for repair along with live cd's |
| 10:09.05 | iain | H2S04: You install Linux on an HDD, then move the HDD to another system with completely different hardware? |
| 10:09.15 | H2S04 | yep |
| 10:09.29 | H2S04 | just make the kernel very general |
| 10:09.31 | streuner | iain: it should be the same arch |
| 10:09.35 | iain | H2S04: LiveCDs redetect hardware each time they boot, don't they? |
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| 10:09.43 | H2S04 | yes |
| 10:09.55 | iain | streuner: Well it's a Cyrix Gxm processor, and I don't have any others. But it's i386 anyway. |
| 10:09.55 | H2S04 | but they don't necesarily work for all procs |
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| 10:10.05 | H2S04 | necessarily * |
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| 10:10.24 | streuner | iain: How old is the CPU? |
| 10:10.26 | H2S04 | most pc's are i386 |
| 10:10.41 | H2S04 | so I just set the kernel for that arch |
| 10:10.44 | iain | H2S04: I'm just wondering if I'd have to do that for my HDD. It's a slow system, 200MHz w/ 64MB RAM, so I'd rather it not autodetect hardware every boot :P |
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| 10:10.58 | H2S04 | well iain |
| 10:11.04 | H2S04 | you can always have two kernels too |
| 10:11.08 | streuner | iain: sounds like i586 |
| 10:11.10 | H2S04 | just add them to your boot loader |
| 10:11.21 | H2S04 | have one kernel for one proc, and one for the other |
| 10:11.22 | iain | streuner: OK, I meant x86 |
| 10:11.32 | H2S04 | that way you don't have to worry about it |
| 10:11.57 | iain | H2S04: Do you think I should compile a kernel, then, instead of using the default one provided by the installer? |
| 10:12.09 | bony | i could see the wireless network card with iwconfig but dhclient is unable to assign any ip to this network card. After i installed the latest kernel 2.6.18 i got eth2 before that there were only two net cards eth0 and eth1 |
| 10:12.26 | H2S04 | depends on what you do, its not needed, I compile my own kernels add patches I want etc. |
| 10:12.31 | streuner | iain: no. |
| 10:12.34 | bony | right now i am connected to the net using eth0 (wired net card) |
| 10:12.55 | paul1 | Is it possible to limit bandwidth on a per-user basis without using a proxy server? |
| 10:13.00 | streuner | iain: old d-i (debian-installer) just supports i586 best :-) |
| 10:13.02 | H2S04 | I play with bleeding edge kernels though |
| 10:13.29 | H2S04 | iain, if the arches are different just change the arch, compile another kernel add it to your boot as another option |
| 10:13.41 | H2S04 | then when you switch the HD all you have to do is select a boot option |
| 10:13.43 | iain | Alright. I'm not sure that Debian will work when Ubuntu didn't, but I'll try it next time I have a laptop handy. |
| 10:14.03 | H2S04 | make xconfig or make menuconfig |
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| 10:14.07 | H2S04 | in /usr/src/linux |
| 10:14.12 | H2S04 | that is if you have the src |
| 10:14.17 | iain | Alright |
| 10:14.27 | H2S04 | then change the proccessor type |
| 10:14.31 | iain | I've compiled a kernel in gentoo. It's similar in Debian, right? |
| 10:14.39 | streuner | no |
| 10:14.50 | streuner | just use an debian kernel NOW |
| 10:15.12 | H2S04 | is the kernel already working on both machines? |
| 10:15.14 | streuner | If you don't care about your hardware PLAY with kernels |
| 10:15.16 | H2S04 | I thought that was the problem |
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| 10:15.41 | H2S04 | its not like he's going to ruin his hardware playing with a kernel |
| 10:15.49 | tarzeau | do you also get atkbd.c spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0 with 2.6.19.2 linux kernel? |
| 10:15.53 | H2S04 | he might just not get his machine to boot :-p |
| 10:16.00 | iain | H2S04: All I've done so far is try installing Ubuntu on the HDD. It worked in the P4 system I installed it on, but not the Cyrix system I moved it to. |
| 10:16.41 | iain | For the record, I get an interrupt error with three groups of numbers, which I didn't write down. |
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| 10:16.56 | H2S04 | because its a different processor type |
| 10:17.14 | iain | Alright. What's an interrupt error, anyway? |
| 10:17.20 | nayyares | i want to test an open FORWARD port connection through proxy, the port at proxy server is open, now i have to test local-network-machine---->proxy--->outside-network-machine connection on that specific port, how can i check it, whether it is open and working or not? |
| 10:17.29 | sphenxes | what is "hyst" in the sensor command? this is the outcome of sensors: temp2: +53.5C (high = +70C, hyst = +67C) sensor = diode |
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| 10:19.01 | H2S04 | iain, PM? |
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| 10:20.50 | tiolpxe | hi, which cds are required to perform the installation as i have noticed its showing 15 iso's |
| 10:20.51 | iain | H2S04: I don't understand the question. |
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| 10:20.58 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy,I get a blank screen in X now |
| 10:20.59 | H2S04 | private message |
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| 10:21.16 | iain | H2S04: Didn't show up |
| 10:21.26 | iain | Oh wait |
| 10:21.36 | iain | Sorry I'm using ERC, not very familiar with it |
| 10:22.09 | iain | Unfortunately I can't PM back; not registered |
| 10:22.14 | H2S04 | anyways if you have the kernel source your should go into the source directory, change the processor type and go from there |
| 10:22.35 | H2S04 | recompile, change to whatever name you want |
| 10:22.38 | H2S04 | add to bootloader |
| 10:22.49 | H2S04 | then when you change machines you can test it |
| 10:22.58 | iain | No I didn't fool around with the system before I moved it to the other system. I'll download the kernel source and change the options. |
| 10:23.00 | H2S04 | and if it doesn't work you don't have to use a livecd to recover |
| 10:23.21 | H2S04 | if its not booting how are you going to mess with it on the other system? |
| 10:23.41 | H2S04 | why don't you just do the install on the cyrix machine then? |
| 10:23.59 | H2S04 | personally I wouldn't use Ubuntu on that slow machine |
| 10:24.00 | iain | I'll address those in order: |
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| 10:24.37 | iain | First, even on my current P4 machine, Ubuntu has seen fit to give my a 386 kernel, so it must have done that on the laptop HDD as well. Therefore, I'd have no option to change if I recompiled my kernel. |
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| 10:25.11 | H2S04 | you can keep both kernels you understand that right? |
| 10:25.21 | iain | Second: the Cyrix laptop doesn't have cd or floppy and the ones I've tried connecting to it (via parallel and pcmcia) the bios won't boot off of |
| 10:25.36 | scruffy | K|NgGh0sT: only thing I can suggest to check is /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors |
| 10:25.37 | H2S04 | I didn't even realize it was a lappy :-p |
| 10:25.47 | iain | H2S04: Wait if I get the kernel source what setting would I change? It's already set for the right processor: i386 |
| 10:26.05 | H2S04 | yes so all you would need to change is the processor, hypothetically, |
| 10:26.10 | H2S04 | might take some tinkering |
| 10:26.14 | H2S04 | but it shouldn't be too bad |
| 10:26.26 | H2S04 | if you have the space you can just select everything as a module |
| 10:26.30 | H2S04 | and change the proc |
| 10:26.42 | H2S04 | that way if there is a module for the hard ware it would load it |
| 10:26.47 | H2S04 | and you could at least boot the system |
| 10:26.54 | iain | H2S04: Why would I change the processor? It's already what it should be, right? |
| 10:26.54 | H2S04 | them when you see what modules are loaded |
| 10:27.03 | iain | i386 is exactly what I want. |
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| 10:27.16 | H2S04 | oh Cyrix not ppc |
| 10:27.19 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 10:27.39 | paddy2706 | hey, q: can i somehow access the net over a specific virtual interface? |
| 10:27.40 | H2S04 | sorry got myself confused |
| 10:27.41 | iain | Cyrix is x86 based, so it should work with a i386 kernel. |
| 10:27.43 | iain | Oh, OK. |
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| 10:27.54 | H2S04 | why not just a net install? |
| 10:27.55 | iain | To address the third question: I don't know what the best distro would be for the laptop. Historically, I've used Debian and Debian-based distros because of the apt system, but I'd use whatever works. |
| 10:28.03 | iain | H2S04: Laptop also doesn't have ethernet |
| 10:28.13 | H2S04 | wow what are you going to use it for |
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| 10:28.17 | H2S04 | it doesn't have anything :-p |
| 10:28.22 | iain | Also no floppy or cd so can't start the install process |
| 10:28.31 | H2S04 | I personally like slackware for those old slow lappies |
| 10:28.42 | iain | H2S04: I will use it for my CIS class :-) |
| 10:29.02 | H2S04 | how much HD space do you have |
| 10:29.06 | iain | 2GB |
| 10:29.15 | H2S04 | yeah I wouldn't use ubuntu |
| 10:29.23 | H2S04 | I'd use vanilla debian or slackware |
| 10:29.23 | K|NgGh0sT | scruffy, getting kdeinit issues |
| 10:29.39 | iain | I'll rarely startx, btw, if that counts for anything |
| 10:29.55 | H2S04 | well why even install the X-windows system then? |
| 10:29.59 | iain | Yeah, I was going to get plain debian, but if you think slack is best, I'll give it a try |
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| 10:30.04 | iain | H2S04: for the occasional need |
| 10:30.10 | H2S04 | I just like slack |
| 10:30.20 | H2S04 | its personal preference |
| 10:30.25 | iain | and because X can fit on a 50MB CD (damn small linux) so it can fit on 2GB :-) |
| 10:30.45 | H2S04 | yeah but damn small doesn't use the regular x-windows system |
| 10:30.52 | H2S04 | it uses a much smaller version |
| 10:30.54 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 10:31.01 | H2S04 | why not just install damn small to the HD? |
| 10:31.23 | H2S04 | you could build your own mini distro based on debian or slack but if you don't want to take the time |
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| 10:31.34 | H2S04 | damn small is debian based isn't it? |
| 10:31.36 | iain | Well I'm not sure if the HDD install is any different but the livecd of damnsmall does hardware autodetection every time it boots |
| 10:31.46 | iain | That would suck on such an old slow system |
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| 10:31.54 | H2S04 | yeah bit you can change that |
| 10:31.57 | H2S04 | but |
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| 10:32.04 | iain | Really? That's good. |
| 10:32.21 | iain | Alright, I'll try damnsmall, debian, and slack |
| 10:32.22 | H2S04 | just disable hotplug |
| 10:32.25 | iain | Until I find what works |
| 10:32.29 | H2S04 | well if you have the time :-p |
| 10:32.34 | iain | How do I disable hotplug? |
| 10:32.43 | H2S04 | boot scripts |
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| 10:32.55 | H2S04 | I'd have to look I'm not as familiar with debian |
| 10:32.59 | H2S04 | but you can do it |
| 10:33.03 | iain | Alright |
| 10:33.11 | H2S04 | I use Slackware on all my production machines |
| 10:33.35 | H2S04 | the other thing is if you like aptitude slackware doesn't have any system like that by default |
| 10:33.43 | H2S04 | there is slapt-get but its third party |
| 10:33.55 | H2S04 | so it'd be another thing you'd have to install |
| 10:33.57 | dimmur | Hi can any1 tell me how to remove grub from ide disk? (i've grub also on sata2 disk but cant boot bcause grub is also on ide) |
| 10:33.58 | iain | What seperates slackware from other distros? Every distro has something that makes it unique but I haven't used slack before |
| 10:33.59 | H2S04 | where deb comes with apt |
| 10:34.11 | H2S04 | slack is just really old and really simple |
| 10:34.21 | H2S04 | you have to be familiar with the CLI and linux to use it |
| 10:34.29 | H2S04 | there aren't many wizards |
| 10:34.31 | iain | Well I intend to run a CLI most of the time |
| 10:34.33 | H2S04 | to change things you edit config giles |
| 10:34.38 | H2S04 | config files* |
| 10:34.40 | iain | Alright |
| 10:34.50 | H2S04 | its just old and simple |
| 10:34.52 | iain | It will be a learning experience |
| 10:34.58 | iain | I like that :-) |
| 10:35.13 | H2S04 | the default kernel is 2.4.3x too |
| 10:35.18 | karsten | iain: disabling hotplug: remove kernel modules. |
| 10:35.26 | H2S04 | yep |
| 10:35.32 | iain | karsten: which modules? |
| 10:35.39 | H2S04 | the ones your machine uses |
| 10:35.39 | iain | One called hotplug? |
| 10:35.45 | H2S04 | you'd need to build them into the kernel |
| 10:35.51 | karsten | iain: check /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 10:35.59 | karsten | iain: I'm not sure if it's a module or configured in. |
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| 10:36.13 | H2S04 | hotplug is configured |
| 10:36.24 | H2S04 | you can turn it off and on in the boot scripts usually |
| 10:36.34 | karsten | iain: slack: targz install packages, pretty much roll your own. No package management to speak of, but not source-based as with Gentoo. |
| 10:36.49 | karsten | iain: The oldest of the currently maintained Linux distros. |
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| 10:37.21 | karsten | H2S04: I'm not seeing that. There's a test in /etc/init.d/udev for /proc/kernel/hotplug, which I suspect is created by the appropriate kernel / module option. |
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| 10:37.29 | iain | Alright |
| 10:37.31 | karsten | H2S04: Which specific module that is I'm not entirely sure. |
| 10:37.51 | karsten | H2S04: /etc/init.d/udev:if [ ! -e /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ]; then |
| 10:37.54 | iain | All I can imagine installing on this laptop is emacs, tex, and gcc. |
| 10:38.06 | karsten | iain: What's the HW? |
| 10:38.19 | iain | karsten: Cyrix 200MHz, 64MB RAM, 2GB HDD |
| 10:38.23 | sam_uk | I am trying to start the application istanbul on amd64 install, using the command 'istanbul' it just hangs and gives this debug info http://pastebin.ca/315083 anyone help? |
| 10:38.39 | iain | It's a 2-3lb laptop that's 11in wide |
| 10:38.45 | iain | very nice, small, and portable |
| 10:39.21 | karsten | sphenxes: hysteresis? |
| 10:39.33 | karsten | iain: OK. |
| 10:39.42 | karsten | sam_uk: WTF is istanbul? |
| 10:39.53 | karsten | "Constantinopletown" |
| 10:39.56 | sam_uk | screen capture |
| 10:40.08 | sam_uk | creates videos of your desktop |
| 10:40.10 | H2S04 | http://www.bangmoney.org/presentations/hotplug/ |
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| 10:40.41 | karsten | sam_uk: Um. NFC based on debug output posted. There's some stuff that plugs into VNC that seems to generally work. istanbul == Free Software or other? |
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| 10:40.44 | H2S04 | iain, compiling on that thing would be painful |
| 10:40.48 | H2S04 | use distcc aswell :-p |
| 10:40.56 | sam_uk | it's in debian |
| 10:41.01 | karsten | OK |
| 10:41.09 | karsten | Yeah, noted. |
| 10:41.10 | iain | H2S04: not for CIS15AG (introduction to C) |
| 10:42.18 | H2S04 | iain have you always used emacs? |
| 10:42.24 | H2S04 | I prefer vim :-P |
| 10:42.33 | iain | H2S04: No, I used to use a Mac. |
| 10:42.40 | iain | Which had SimpleText. |
| 10:42.57 | karsten | ... but no ugly. |
| 10:43.02 | karsten | ... erm, no bad. |
| 10:43.45 | iain | H2S04: I haven't tried vi much. I'd probably put it on my laptop so I can fool around with it sometime. |
| 10:43.46 | karsten | sam_uk: I don't see any error output there per se. |
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| 10:43.56 | H2S04 | vi and vim are different :-p |
| 10:44.14 | H2S04 | Vim = Vi Improved |
| 10:44.26 | karsten | iain: If you like emacs but that system isn't beefy enough for it there are a few lighter run-alikes. I suspect full-blown emacs is the only thing you'll be happy with. |
| 10:44.32 | iain | But it works much like vi, right? Just as emacs 21 works much like emacs 18. |
| 10:44.32 | karsten | H2S04: *much* improved. |
| 10:44.36 | Gathond | H2S04: well iirc vim has a vi compatobility mode |
| 10:44.51 | sphenxes | karsten, thanks |
| 10:44.56 | sphenxes | i will google it |
| 10:44.58 | Gathond | iain: the basic principle is the same yes, but vim has alot of features not in vi |
| 10:45.03 | karsten | iain: Yeah. It's just there's a lot of additional extras. I pretty much can't stand base vi these days. |
| 10:45.05 | H2S04 | I never really like emacs :-p |
| 10:45.19 | H2S04 | liked* |
| 10:45.35 | iain | karsten: I haven't used emacs alternatives, but I'll explore them if 200MHz is too slow for emacs. |
| 10:45.46 | H2S04 | 200 mhz isn't too slow |
| 10:45.52 | iain | It would surprise me, though, if that were the case. |
| 10:45.55 | H2S04 | I have a couple 200 mhz celeron lappies |
| 10:46.01 | karsten | iain: 200 mhz should be ok, it's more the 64 MB I'm worried about. |
| 10:46.04 | H2S04 | its just a little sluggish |
| 10:46.06 | Gathond | 200 Mhz might be slow for vim as well, at least vim 7 in the default configuration |
| 10:46.16 | H2S04 | eh not really |
| 10:46.17 | Gathond | I've found it to be lagging alot on my 1 Ghz C3 |
| 10:46.22 | H2S04 | I use vim 7 on my 200 mhz |
| 10:46.29 | karsten | Gathond: That's likely not vim per se. |
| 10:46.32 | H2S04 | oh you have a mini itx |
| 10:46.33 | Gathond | probably because of parantheses matching and spelchecking |
| 10:46.42 | iain | Right now emacs under X is taking 10.5MB |
| 10:46.48 | Gathond | karsten: no, its just the default config I've had in 7 |
| 10:46.49 | H2S04 | what do you use it for Garothond |
| 10:46.53 | H2S04 | Gathond, |
| 10:46.57 | Gathond | editing mail mostly |
| 10:47.10 | karsten | iain: Add on to that anything else you're running: desktop, browser, shells, compiler. |
| 10:47.11 | Gathond | it runs like a charm on this core2 duo thing though |
| 10:47.15 | H2S04 | I was thinking about converting my FTP/Bittorrent server to mini-itx |
| 10:47.18 | iain | I'm sure emacs on the CLI will fit into 64MB |
| 10:47.31 | iain | karsten: This laptop will not run a gui |
| 10:47.38 | H2S04 | sure it will |
| 10:47.45 | iain | you mean it can |
| 10:47.47 | iain | but it won't |
| 10:47.56 | karsten | iain: I'm pretty sure twm, fluxbox, etc., would be pretty light. |
| 10:48.04 | karsten | iain: Learn to love screen then. |
| 10:48.05 | H2S04 | fvwm |
| 10:48.06 | karsten | iain: ... or twin. |
| 10:48.14 | H2S04 | ratpoison |
| 10:48.17 | iain | Yeah, screen is another app I'd like to learn |
| 10:48.29 | karsten | iain: I've used wmaker on P-133s w/ 96MB. |
| 10:48.36 | iain | I don't see myself using anything other than emacs on the laptop, so I won't need a gui really. |
| 10:48.48 | karsten | iain: Learn it already. It's the shiznit. Can't live without it. |
| 10:48.49 | H2S04 | screen is cool |
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| 10:49.02 | H2S04 | although if you're not doing alot on it you can probably just use the other terminals |
| 10:49.03 | iain | So I have gathered from my infrequent forays |
| 10:49.07 | karsten | iain: ... though emacs w/ terminal mode and multiple buffers pretty much covers that. |
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| 10:49.18 | H2S04 | I know on my 200 mhz lappy I just jump around with alt F* |
| 10:49.29 | iain | makes sense |
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| 10:49.32 | karsten | H2S04: Limited to 6 consoles. |
| 10:49.41 | H2S04 | not if you add more ;-p |
| 10:50.17 | H2S04 | I have 12 |
| 10:50.17 | karsten | H2S04: screen means never having to say "getty" |
| 10:50.17 | H2S04 | and I only use 1- 3 anyways |
| 10:50.17 | karsten | H2S04: ... and/or forgetting to lock sessions. |
| 10:50.20 | karsten | 5 windows. |
| 10:50.22 | H2S04 | eh I don't do anything important on that little lappy though |
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| 10:50.37 | H2S04 | could care less :-p |
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| 10:50.49 | iain | single-tasking improves efficiency :-) |
| 10:51.19 | H2S04 | I like the console on lappies though |
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| 10:51.58 | H2S04 | ratpoison, screen and other applications are more efective than usual GUI's imho |
| 10:51.59 | H2S04 | effective* |
| 10:52.30 | karsten | H2S04: For technical / programming / sysadmin environments, largely. |
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| 10:52.42 | karsten | H2S04: If your tasks tend to be more dynamic, somewhat less so. |
| 10:52.49 | iain | yeah, what's that one that uses LUA? I tried it, terrible documentation, assumes you know LUA and if you don't you can't really configure it |
| 10:52.59 | H2S04 | eh not having to take hands off the keyboard is nice :-D |
| 10:53.34 | H2S04 | um I know which one you are talking about iain |
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| 10:53.47 | H2S04 | its Ion |
| 10:53.52 | iain | yeah that's it |
| 10:53.52 | bintut | hello all.. i'm running debian etch and installed xmms2. how can i play mp3, mp4 and audio cd using gxmms2? |
| 10:53.55 | H2S04 | Ion is the one you are talking about |
| 10:54.10 | Seraphyn | WM ? |
| 10:54.12 | iain | It was alright, but I couldn't figure soem things out |
| 10:54.27 | H2S04 | I like WMII and Ratpoison |
| 10:54.29 | iain | Like how to set up a gimp ws |
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| 10:55.33 | H2S04 | Gathond, does your C3 have the mpeg support? |
| 10:55.52 | Gathond | H2S04: the board has the mpeg2 decoder chips yes |
| 10:56.03 | H2S04 | played with it at all? |
| 10:56.07 | Gathond | but I've never used it as that machine has no display at all |
| 10:56.23 | Gathond | its just a mail/web/database/whatever else home server |
| 10:56.30 | H2S04 | connect remotely |
| 10:56.31 | Gathond | nope, never touched the thing |
| 10:56.36 | H2S04 | yeah I was thinking about changing my server to mini-itx |
| 10:56.40 | H2S04 | save on power |
| 10:56.52 | iain | BTW if anyone's heard of a newer laptop of similar size (11in wide), I'd love to know :-) |
| 10:56.53 | Gathond | I'm not sure there is that much to save any longer |
| 10:57.05 | H2S04 | why do you say that? |
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| 10:57.23 | H2S04 | you can get 9 watt mini-itx |
| 10:57.27 | Gathond | I dont think the newer AMD/Intel chips take much more power, but they perform alot better |
| 10:57.49 | Gathond | my board says 20, for CPU+motherboard logic |
| 10:57.49 | H2S04 | yeah but they're much more than 200 bucks :-p |
| 10:57.54 | Gathond | but its slow |
| 10:58.04 | Gathond | and 3+ years old now:): |
| 10:58.20 | H2S04 | they have 1.5 mhz boards now :-p |
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| 10:58.30 | H2S04 | the other thing is size I have a 1.7 duron on an atx board now |
| 10:58.46 | Gathond | yeah, but I still tink they are outperformed by an AMD/intel running 1 Ghz |
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| 10:58.52 | H2S04 | considering all it does is NFS and Torrents |
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| 10:58.56 | Gathond | which you could always throttle them to |
| 10:59.09 | H2S04 | true |
| 10:59.17 | H2S04 | I dunno Have to think about it |
| 10:59.27 | H2S04 | they also have mini-itx boards for Intel chips now |
| 10:59.31 | Gathond | my point is that a C3 at 1.5 Ghz which is constantly busy might use alot more power than a core 2 duo idling 70% of the itme |
| 10:59.34 | H2S04 | except they are a little more pricey |
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| 10:59.59 | H2S04 | the one thing I like is the size |
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| 11:00.13 | Gathond | well, I liked the power consumption:) |
| 11:00.18 | Gathond | back then anyway |
| 11:00.23 | H2S04 | I do too |
| 11:00.29 | Gathond | its mounted in a full size tower anyway |
| 11:00.39 | H2S04 | pft |
| 11:00.46 | H2S04 | I'd just make a small case for it |
| 11:00.48 | Gathond | and put into a closet |
| 11:00.51 | H2S04 | throw a 500 gig drive in it |
| 11:02.11 | paddy2706 | hey, q: can i somehow access the net over a specific virtual interface? |
| 11:02.40 | H2S04 | need to be a little more specific |
| 11:03.06 | valdyn | !wayttd paddy2706 |
| 11:03.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, paddy2706? |
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| 11:06.30 | paddy2706 | i have to get a file from a server via http, but the server does only accept my secondary ip to get the file, because my webserver's running on this address. |
| 11:06.52 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 11:06.53 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 11:07.24 | valdyn | !ssh tunnel |
| 11:07.24 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
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| 11:07.46 | ice63 | well i got this p3 450 up and runing :) |
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| 11:07.57 | valdyn | !win ice63 |
| 11:07.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, ice63! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 11:08.12 | ice63 | lol |
| 11:08.31 | valdyn | !tun |
| 11:08.31 | dpkg | somebody said tun was sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 11:08.39 | valdyn | ohoh |
| 11:08.54 | valdyn | paddy2706: why are you thinking that you need a virtual interface for this? |
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| 11:09.59 | valdyn | paddy2706: it surely can be done, but it's not really the short way |
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| 11:10.11 | paddy2706 | let me explain: i have several ip-addresses (eth0,eth0:0,eth0:1), apache listenes to one ip (eth0:0). now if I try to wget anything, it will use eth0 |
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| 11:11.24 | valdyn | paddy2706: ifconfig eth0 add <if_of_eth0:0>/32 |
| 11:11.34 | valdyn | paddy2706: i *think*, try it.. |
| 11:11.43 | valdyn | paddy2706: ifconfig eth0 add <ip_of_eth0:0>/32 |
| 11:12.11 | paddy2706 | no, thats how i added the ips, this will create another eth0:n |
| 11:12.25 | xingu | paddy2706: iproute, "ip route ... src ..." |
| 11:12.28 | valdyn | paddy2706: ok, fix your routeing table |
| 11:13.08 | paddy2706 | xingu and valdyn thanks, i guess thats it ;) lmc |
| 11:13.13 | valdyn | paddy2706: something like: route del default, route add default eth0:0; something else if you use a gateway |
| 11:13.37 | paddy2706 | naw route add <ip-remote> eth0:0 |
| 11:14.15 | valdyn | paddy2706: guess that's ok, for just that one remote ip |
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| 11:14.48 | paddy2706 | valdyn, i only want to change the behaviour for this one remote ip |
| 11:14.58 | xingu | then use iproute. |
| 11:15.06 | valdyn | paddy2706: ok, keep in mind though routes are evaluated in order |
| 11:15.07 | earthian | hello, i have a question: is there any way to see how many the computer consumes power ? |
| 11:15.15 | valdyn | paddy2706: so adding this won't change a thing |
| 11:15.21 | earthian | sorry for bad english tho |
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| 11:15.43 | valdyn | paddy2706: ( unless its somehow automagically reordered, i wouldnt know |
| 11:16.05 | xingu | routing looks for most-specific match |
| 11:16.57 | valdyn | earthian: plug an ampere meter between computer and power outlet |
| 11:17.17 | earthian | ok thanks valdyn |
| 11:17.20 | earthian | will do. |
| 11:18.14 | xingu | the right way to tell linux that you're trying to bind a given flow to a given source address is to build a route descriptor specifying this - the net-tools "route" command is quite limited in terms of the routes it can build; iproute matches the kernel's ip stack capabilities. |
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| 11:21.27 | jennam | Is there some way to have a "virtual" sound card device? I require something for VMWare to "see" |
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| 11:23.01 | paddy2706 | valdyn, problem: route doesnt differentiate between eth0 and eth0:0 |
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| 11:23.21 | biatche | Someone mind to explain this about permissions. whats the difference between chmod 771 and 774 on a directory. I understand the first gives execute to world and the latter gives read. But what I don't understand is, doesn't it need to read if it has to execute? Talk about the web for instance. why is the +x flag necessary to enter the directory? is there something that has to be executed just to enter the directory? as for files, i do understand +x |
| 11:23.25 | LLcoolM | i have a problem mounting nfs volumes. http://rafb.net/p/zNEXga27.html |
| 11:23.42 | LLcoolM | that is the message the server logs when someone tries to mount it |
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| 11:24.04 | xingu | biatche: x=descend for a directory; r=list |
| 11:24.30 | paddy2706 | valdyn, nevermind, it does, it just doesnt show it when printing the routing table |
| 11:24.36 | paddy2706 | thx! |
| 11:24.38 | biatche | xingu: doesn't x mean eXecute? |
| 11:24.53 | xingu | biatche: not for a directory; the modes have overloaded meanings. |
| 11:25.16 | biatche | xingu: so i should just ignore the actual meaning of the term execute and replace it with "list"? |
| 11:25.22 | biatche | oops, i mean descend. |
| 11:25.28 | xingu | biatche: whatever works for you. :) |
| 11:25.50 | bony | after following all the instructions of wiki.debian.org for install and configuring bluetooth i am unable to see any device on the system. when i give the command hcitool scan it shows nothing |
| 11:26.33 | bony | i am not using a bluetooth dongle but the laptop is enabled by defult with bluetooth |
| 11:26.37 | biatche | im actually reading some samba howto, but for now, i decided to try fully understand this thing about chmod. im taking web as an instance. 775 == i can list.. but 774 == i cant list and 771 == i can't list? |
| 11:27.05 | biatche | is this right? |
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| 11:27.06 | biatche | and im wondering to myself, yeah.... so what does "771" do? |
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| 11:27.26 | biatche | or so to say... what does +x alone for a directory without +r/+rw do? |
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| 11:27.47 | xingu | biatche: allows chdir |
| 11:29.04 | xingu | biatche: if the directory lacks read, opendir and friends will fail - you can't ennumerate the contents; if the directory lacks execute, chdir and friends will fail |
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| 11:30.20 | biatche | xingu: would you be able to explain why in a samba howto in setting up domains -- in their example, they did: chmod -R 771 /home/samba/ ... any reason at all for the 771 chmod? i mean, they can't do anything except chdir.. whats the point? |
| 11:30.27 | xingu | biatche: a directory that is +x,-r will let you descend into it but not see the contents; a directory that is -x,+r will let you see the contents but not descend. |
| 11:31.05 | xingu | biatche: it doesn't prevent you from openning an existing file which is +r or appending to it if it is +w |
| 11:31.06 | biatche | cool, i will test this now. |
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| 11:31.52 | biatche | ok, im trying to figure out a real world application where +x-r is useful... |
| 11:32.05 | biatche | actually i think i get it. |
| 11:32.05 | xingu | biatche: ftp server incoming directory typically |
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| 11:32.25 | biatche | thanks, i think i understand it already |
| 11:32.32 | biatche | i appreciate your explanation |
| 11:32.37 | biatche | :) |
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| 11:37.49 | krinns | hai am getting this error |
| 11:37.50 | krinns | 2109FATSRV kernel: [17187135.740000] eth1: excessive work at interrupt |
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| 11:38.42 | azeem | krinns: sounds like a kernel/hardware problem |
| 11:38.43 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/19902 |
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| 11:38.54 | azeem | krinns: does this have bad effects on your system? |
| 11:39.11 | azeem | krinns: also, is that line repeating, or do you just get it once every whle? |
| 11:39.12 | krinns | what should i do |
| 11:39.14 | azeem | while* |
| 11:39.21 | krinns | its repeating |
| 11:39.39 | azeem | maybe google for it |
| 11:39.43 | azeem | could give some insights |
| 11:39.46 | azeem | 12:27 < azeem> krinns: does this have bad effects on your system? |
| 11:39.46 | krinns | some time with lots of repeating and some time not |
| 11:40.12 | xingu | krinns: paste (ask dpkg) the results from: ifconfig eth1; sleep 10; ifconfig eth1 |
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| 11:41.07 | Ono | how can i change oss default device? |
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| 11:43.30 | enouf | wwallace: 1st .. you're missing a letter --> /usr/loca/share/ <-- L .. 2nd what does "fehlt" mean? |
| 11:43.48 | krinns | no its doesn't seems to be bad effect |
| 11:44.11 | wwallace | dunno eno thats what i get after i issue the command megamario |
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| 11:44.24 | wwallace | enouf, |
| 11:44.34 | krinns | but why this is going to be |
| 11:44.43 | xingu | krinns: if this is a via-velocity, tuning the "int_works" module parameter may be of interest. |
| 11:44.44 | enouf | wwallace: somethings goofy in the csript somewhere |
| 11:44.51 | enouf | script* |
| 11:45.03 | DarkLinux | how can i add postinst |
| 11:45.03 | wwallace | can you check? |
| 11:45.05 | DarkLinux | to the debioan package |
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| 11:47.13 | LLcoolM | anyone running etch as nfs-server? |
| 11:47.27 | LLcoolM | i always get this error: nfsd[pid]: nfssvc: Address already in use |
| 11:47.48 | krinns | may be this works |
| 11:47.51 | DarkLinux | llcoolm |
| 11:47.53 | krinns | how i set this |
| 11:47.56 | DarkLinux | i know nfs server |
| 11:48.01 | DarkLinux | what do u want |
| 11:48.09 | jennam | is there a way to add a "virtual" soundcard in debian? |
| 11:48.10 | LLcoolM | i want it to run again |
| 11:48.23 | DarkLinux | simple u have 2 sevices |
| 11:48.27 | DarkLinux | u know them right |
| 11:48.44 | LLcoolM | i didnt change anything besides apt-get upgrade and it worked before with that exact config |
| 11:48.52 | DarkLinux | huh |
| 11:48.57 | DarkLinux | ok |
| 11:49.01 | LLcoolM | rpc.statd and rpc.mountd and mostly portmap |
| 11:49.01 | azeem | LLcoolM: do you have errors in your logfiles? |
| 11:49.05 | DarkLinux | $cd /etc/init.d |
| 11:49.22 | DarkLinux | sh nfs restart |
| 11:49.23 | xingu | krinns: create /etc/modprobe.d/via-velicity: options via-velocity int_works=64 |
| 11:49.25 | azeem | DarkLinux: add postinst to what package? |
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| 11:49.30 | DarkLinux | sh portmap restart |
| 11:49.34 | LLcoolM | http://rafb.net/p/Wko4Q321.html |
| 11:49.40 | xingu | s/velicity/velocity/ |
| 11:49.43 | DarkLinux | azeem i had adeb package |
| 11:49.45 | LLcoolM | i alread tried restarting portmap etc |
| 11:49.50 | azeem | DarkLinux: and? |
| 11:49.56 | DarkLinux | actually im makeing adeb package |
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| 11:49.57 | LLcoolM | even unloaded all the modules and it didnt help |
| 11:50.12 | DarkLinux | azeem i want ashell to work after the package is installed |
| 11:50.16 | azeem | LLcoolM: is this the kernel or the user space server? |
| 11:50.20 | DarkLinux | can it be done |
| 11:50.24 | LLcoolM | azeem: kernel-server |
| 11:50.25 | azeem | DarkLinux: which package? |
| 11:50.29 | azeem | LLcoolM: maybe try the other one |
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| 11:50.37 | DarkLinux | its source i want to make deb |
| 11:50.44 | azeem | DarkLinux: ask in #debian-mentors |
| 11:50.45 | LLcoolM | but i've been thinking to switch, however it worked before, so it cannot be the setuo |
| 11:50.49 | azeem | on irc.debian.org, I guess |
| 11:50.51 | DarkLinux | thanx man |
| 11:51.01 | DarkLinux | llcoolm |
| 11:51.13 | DarkLinux | check rute |
| 11:51.19 | DarkLinux | in google |
| 11:51.35 | LLcoolM | DarkLinux: rute? |
| 11:51.39 | LLcoolM | ro route? |
| 11:51.45 | DarkLinux | yeah |
| 11:51.48 | DarkLinux | no |
| 11:51.51 | DarkLinux | wait |
| 11:52.10 | LLcoolM | does nfs need 16bit syscalls? |
| 11:52.18 | azeem | what are 16bit syscalls? |
| 11:52.25 | LLcoolM | azeem: some legacy stuff |
| 11:52.33 | LLcoolM | i removed it from the kernel some time ago |
| 11:52.41 | azeem | I don't know |
| 11:52.46 | byncsa | is it possible to reorder inodes of a directory ? |
| 11:52.48 | DarkLinux | llcoolm /////http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz |
| 11:52.52 | DarkLinux | shk it out |
| 11:52.56 | DarkLinux | ok |
| 11:52.58 | azeem | DarkLinux: eh, why? |
| 11:53.07 | DarkLinux | just do |
| 11:53.09 | azeem | no |
| 11:53.13 | azeem | you tell us why first |
| 11:53.22 | DarkLinux | coz its atuterial |
| 11:53.29 | DarkLinux | it will help him |
| 11:53.34 | LLcoolM | DarkLinux: this is not a config problem as i said, it worked before without any stuff changed other than updating packages |
| 11:53.35 | DarkLinux | cool azeem |
| 11:53.52 | DarkLinux | still check if the service is running |
| 11:53.58 | LLcoolM | DarkLinux: it isnt |
| 11:54.07 | LLcoolM | thats part of the problem |
| 11:54.13 | LLcoolM | it exits with the error i posted |
| 11:54.25 | azeem | DarkLinux: this is useless, don't tell people to read books |
| 11:54.32 | DarkLinux | what |
| 11:54.39 | azeem | plus, it's only the table of contents anyway |
| 11:54.40 | DarkLinux | comon |
| 11:54.45 | DarkLinux | c u all |
| 11:54.53 | DarkLinux | click them |
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| 11:55.18 | DarkLinux | azeem the debian-mentore are dead |
| 11:55.20 | azeem | DarkLinux: this is a specific problem about the nfs kernel server, if you would've checked out the error message |
| 11:55.25 | DarkLinux | no body is talking |
| 11:55.25 | azeem | DarkLinux: on irc.debian.org |
| 11:55.37 | DarkLinux | cool |
| 11:55.41 | LLcoolM | lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-98 |
| 11:55.41 | LLcoolM | nfsd: last server has exited |
| 11:55.41 | LLcoolM | nfsd: unexporting all filesystems |
| 11:55.41 | LLcoolM | nfsd: last server has exited |
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| 11:55.41 | DarkLinux | then bye for now |
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| 11:56.00 | LLcoolM | cmon, that were only 4 lines |
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| 11:56.06 | azeem | LLcoolM: that's the limit, sorry |
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| 11:56.26 | streuner | LLcoolM: How about to read /topic? |
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| 11:57.25 | LLcoolM | streuner: topic doesnt say anything about pasting 4 lines is not allowed. |
| 11:57.37 | LLcoolM | and usually it is allowed on other irc channels |
| 11:57.57 | azeem | yes, but you found out it is not in here. It is moot to argue about it |
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| 12:01.22 | streuner | LLcoolM: What do you think are "4 lines"? Flood or NOT? |
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| 12:03.36 | LLcoolM | i am not going to answer to that |
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| 12:05.29 | whalesalad | omg guys debian is the BEST |
| 12:05.55 | whalesalad | I have one small problem though... i've been setting up a dedicated server for the better part of my evening and mysql is giving me some crap. |
| 12:06.19 | whalesalad | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 12:06.22 | whalesalad | thats my error ^^^ |
| 12:06.24 | whalesalad | any ideas? |
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| 12:06.35 | cappiz | someone knows if there is an option to pick a task/script to be executed on logout ssh/x-sessions ? |
| 12:06.52 | cappiz | whalesalad, with apt-get ? |
| 12:07.08 | whalesalad | yeah, ive been an apt-get fiend all night long |
| 12:07.34 | whalesalad | I might have had this problem before, cant remember, but does it involve adding the test databases and stuff? |
| 12:08.11 | cappiz | nah.... i dont think thats the problem |
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| 12:08.23 | cappiz | but does the socket file exsists? |
| 12:08.32 | whalesalad | im not sure what a socket file even is dude |
| 12:08.48 | cappiz | ls -L /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 12:08.53 | cappiz | is it there? |
| 12:09.17 | whalesalad | that file doesnt exist |
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| 12:09.38 | whalesalad | noting in that dir |
| 12:09.48 | krinns | xingu i dont have /etc/modprobe.d/via-velicity |
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| 12:11.20 | cappiz | have you tried to aptitude reinstall mysql-server ? |
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| 12:11.34 | whalesalad | no |
| 12:11.43 | cappiz | try |
| 12:11.50 | whalesalad | one thing my friend noticed, is that we are running mysql4 |
| 12:12.01 | whalesalad | we want to berunning mysql5 anyway, so will upgrading potentially tix this? |
| 12:12.33 | cappiz | apt-cache show mysql-server |
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| 12:13.14 | cappiz | apt-cache show mysql-server | grep Version |
| 12:13.28 | whalesalad | debian:/usr# apt-cache show mysql-server | grep Version |
| 12:13.29 | whalesalad | Version: 5.0.32-1.dotdeb.1 |
| 12:13.29 | whalesalad | Version: 4.1.15-0.dotdeb.4 |
| 12:13.29 | whalesalad | Version: 4.0.24-10sarge2 |
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| 12:13.47 | whalesalad | hey sorry |
| 12:13.51 | cappiz | :) |
| 12:13.52 | whalesalad | it lists four things |
| 12:13.59 | cappiz | kk |
| 12:14.07 | whalesalad | Version 5.0.32, 4.1.15, and 4.0.24 |
| 12:14.31 | cappiz | does apt-cache show mysql-server-5.0 show you anything ? |
| 12:14.53 | whalesalad | yes |
| 12:15.01 | cappiz | ok |
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| 12:15.20 | whalesalad | so it looks like ive got multiple versions of mysql installed? hehe |
| 12:15.35 | cappiz | nope |
| 12:15.39 | cappiz | available |
| 12:15.42 | whalesalad | oh |
| 12:15.43 | cappiz | dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 12:15.43 | dpkg | ii | grep mysql 1.7-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:15.47 | Ono | how can i change oss default device? anybody know? |
| 12:16.08 | cappiz | thats wha you got install whalesalad |
| 12:16.16 | whalesalad | cappiz: ok |
| 12:16.29 | streuner | Ono: "OSS default device"? |
| 12:16.36 | sam_uk | when using jack is there any way to reduce the number of xruns other than increasing period/buffer setting? |
| 12:16.49 | Ono | steven_: i have 2 sound card |
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| 12:16.53 | cappiz | apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 12:16.55 | Ono | oss using dsp0 |
| 12:17.01 | Ono | i need to use dsp1 |
| 12:17.04 | whalesalad | cappiz: how can I remove all instances of mysql stuff and just start clean |
| 12:17.05 | cappiz | if you got mysql-server installed |
| 12:17.13 | cappiz | apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 12:17.14 | streuner | Ono: just disable one of them in BIOS |
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| 12:17.49 | whalesalad | cappiz: alright, did that |
| 12:17.55 | Ono | streuner: thanks i'll try |
| 12:18.19 | cappiz | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 12:18.41 | cappiz | be back in 10 min |
| 12:18.49 | whalesalad | k thanks, trying this |
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| 12:23.06 | themolester | whats a command like cat, which will skip n lines |
| 12:23.16 | themolester | like, start catting at line 200 till end |
| 12:24.01 | earthian | is there any very fast way to convert from amd64 to i386 debian ? |
| 12:24.17 | earthian | without major downtime ofcource |
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| 12:25.09 | condor | hello people |
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| 12:25.40 | condor | does anyone know, if theres a workaround for the nslu2, to skip the tasksel bug? it tries to install x11 and gnome apps, w/o having selected them |
| 12:25.44 | Trewas | themolester: tail and head, tail +200 /some/file should work for that |
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| 12:26.25 | themolester | you can use + number on tail? |
| 12:26.28 | themolester | cool |
| 12:26.31 | themolester | neat new trick |
| 12:26.43 | Trewas | themolester: and apparently deprecated, now that I tried :) |
| 12:27.00 | Trewas | but there is other syntax for doing the same |
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| 12:28.31 | themolester | would +200 start at 200? or 201 |
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| 12:30.52 | Pc_Dark | how do i create a backup |
| 12:30.56 | whalesalad | still having mega problems with mysql |
| 12:30.59 | Pc_Dark | over SSH |
| 12:32.13 | bony | i have a dell inspiron 6000 laptop that has inbuilt bluetooth I installed all the packages required to configure and install bluetooth everything got installed properly but when i give the command hcitool scan i don't see any devices. how to insert the module into the kernel and what the module that has to be inserted into the kernel> |
| 12:32.15 | bony | ? |
| 12:32.53 | Pc_Dark | how do i create a backup |
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| 12:33.44 | maxy | Pc_Dark: use rsync |
| 12:33.47 | Pc_Dark | how do u tar your entire system |
| 12:33.56 | Pc_Dark | command not found |
| 12:34.02 | azeem | Pc_Dark: install it |
| 12:34.07 | Pc_Dark | k |
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| 12:35.04 | maxy | tar -cvf root.tar / |
| 12:35.11 | maxy | tar is a bit easier to work with |
| 12:35.29 | maxy | you need more switches when you do it via rsync |
| 12:35.49 | cappiz | you got the same problem? |
| 12:35.49 | maxy | but if you do it more than once, rsync more efficient |
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| 12:36.14 | Pc_Dark | i did /tar -c --create / |
| 12:36.16 | Pc_Dark | Lol |
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| 12:36.23 | Pc_Dark | and its like showing me every file |
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| 12:36.35 | Pc_Dark | i mean 'tar -c --create /' |
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| 12:36.57 | azeem | that's probably not the best way to make a backup |
| 12:37.04 | Pc_Dark | Probably not |
| 12:37.15 | Pc_Dark | but I already did it and as long as my system still running, then w/e :P |
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| 12:38.03 | mardi_soir | yo |
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| 12:42.57 | LLcoolM | hm, i tried the userspace daemon, but it is a lot slower than the kernel one. i have one nfs client with only 10mbit (cant change that, its an embedded device) and it needs ~1MB/s transfer speed and kernel-space could do that in the past, while it seems userspace-nfsd can only do ~850kb/s |
| 12:43.30 | Pc_Dark | maxy is there a way to make it .tar.gz instead of just .tar |
| 12:43.42 | maxy | yes |
| 12:43.47 | Pc_Dark | what do i do |
| 12:44.00 | Pc_Dark | tar -cfv backup.tar.gz ? |
| 12:44.01 | maxy | now it's about time you do 'man tar' :) |
| 12:45.08 | maxy | there are some other useful features to find out about |
| 12:45.18 | cappiz | someone knows if there is an option to pick a task/script to be executed on logout ssh/x-sessions ? |
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| 12:45.57 | Pc_Dark | would tar -czfv --create --gzip backup.tar.gz / |
| 12:46.00 | Pc_Dark | would that work |
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| 12:46.07 | maxy | cappiz: to achieve what? |
| 12:46.32 | cappiz | umount a encrypted device |
| 12:47.18 | N0S3 | hello, i have this error "eth1: Too much work at interrupt, status=0x00000001" (i use tc with htb) some idea ? |
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| 12:48.51 | maxy | cappiz: not sure, but you could use a script that does all this stuff, then kills your session, and use that to logout |
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| 12:50.43 | cappiz | hum |
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| 12:52.48 | spyro_boy | Hello. |
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| 12:54.55 | abrotman | spyro_boy: are you going to be mean again ? |
| 12:56.12 | spyro_boy | I'm trying to compile customly modified nautilus from source but for some reason it cannot find it's dependencies, I ran sudo apt-get build-dep nautilus and it installed about 9mb of archives but when i went to go ./configure my nautilus, it still errored out because of failed dependancies. Here's a paste of the configure error: http://rafb.net/p/2zfVj691.html Does anyone have any idea what's wrong? I tried setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH to /u |
| 12:56.31 | spyro_boy | abrotman, no. I'm sorry that I was. |
| 12:57.00 | abrotman | spyro_boy: you got the nautilus source form ? gnome.org? |
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| 12:57.12 | h3sp4wn | spyro_boy: probably needs all sorts of dependancies you will only find in experimental |
| 12:57.14 | spyro_boy | Let me find it. |
| 12:57.45 | h3sp4wn | (if its the version that is part of gnome 2.16) |
| 12:57.48 | spyro_boy | I got it from http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/nautilus/2.17/ |
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| 12:57.53 | abrotman | spyro_boy: do you have a deb-src line in your sources that doesn't match your running system ? |
| 12:58.10 | spyro_boy | abrotman, I didn't get it from apt-get. |
| 12:58.13 | abrotman | spyro_boy: uhm .. you're going to have *a lot* of problems building that |
| 12:58.15 | h3sp4wn | So its even newer |
| 12:58.24 | spyro_boy | Oh? |
| 12:58.25 | spyro_boy | Why so? |
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| 12:58.37 | Meaw | i keep gettng this message in syslog |
| 12:58.37 | Meaw | Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/modules.dep |
| 12:58.40 | Meaw | how to stop it |
| 12:58.47 | Meaw | updatedb didnt stop it |
| 12:58.53 | azeem | spyro_boy: it's probably easier to build all of gnome at /opt with jhbuild or something |
| 12:58.58 | __honky | Meaw: depmod -a |
| 12:59.13 | spyro_boy | azeem, huh? |
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| 12:59.34 | azeem | spyro_boy: you probably need other stuff from gnome-2.17 if you want to build nautilus-2.17 |
| 12:59.38 | abrotman | spyro_boy: you're trying to build bleeding edge gnome stuff with libraries taht are six months old (or more) |
| 12:59.38 | azeem | Debian doesn't provide that yet |
| 12:59.49 | spyro_boy | abrotman, oh. |
| 12:59.53 | Meaw | thanks honkey |
| 12:59.53 | spyro_boy | I understand now. |
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| 13:00.02 | spyro_boy | I'll just grab 2.16 then. |
| 13:00.06 | h3sp4wn | Does debian ever provide the gnome development branch ? |
| 13:00.32 | spyro_boy | -[~/downloads/nautilus-2.17.1]$ nautilus --version |
| 13:00.33 | spyro_boy | Gnome nautilus 2.14.3 |
| 13:00.34 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: you mean an unofficial place to get bleeding edge gnome ? |
| 13:00.36 | spyro_boy | Whoa. |
| 13:00.42 | spyro_boy | I guess I should get that. :( |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | spyro_boy: why do you want a newer nautilus ? |
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| 13:01.05 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I mean in debian - (experimental is ok) |
| 13:01.09 | ehird | how can i check if a group exists? |
| 13:01.10 | spyro_boy | abrotman, well, I wanted to mod the source code so I just downloaded the newest source. |
| 13:01.12 | Trewas | h3sp4wn: some development versions have been in experimental, but currently not |
| 13:01.19 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: AFAIK .. expiermental is 2.16 currently |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | ehird: getent |
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| 13:01.45 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: That is what I thought (most of it anyway) |
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| 13:02.01 | abrotman | spyro_boy: uhm okay |
| 13:02.26 | azeem | spyro_boy: if you want to hack on gnome, do it with jhbuild in /opt |
| 13:02.46 | spyro_boy | I don't have anything gnome related in my /opt |
| 13:02.55 | azeem | and go to #gnome or #gnome-love on irc.gnome.org or something |
| 13:03.04 | azeem | spyro_boy: the aim is to get something gnome-related there |
| 13:03.16 | spyro_boy | Yeah. |
| 13:03.26 | spyro_boy | Oh-well. |
| 13:05.23 | spyro_boy | This also might be the wrong channel, but: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4530/screenshot0120804132007ep0.jpg That's the save-as screen in firefox, and the same thing happens in open. |
| 13:05.29 | spyro_boy | Any idea what's wrong with that? |
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| 13:05.48 | spyro_boy | If not, don't worry about it. |
| 13:06.57 | abrotman | encoding issues of some sort |
| 13:07.06 | spyro_boy | Hmm. |
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| 13:07.45 | spyro_boy | Perfect. Nautilus 2.14.3 configured perfectly. :-) |
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| 13:24.19 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:24.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 13:26.09 | Pc_Dark | what does that do |
| 13:26.44 | asg | Pc_Dark: type it |
| 13:27.01 | comsa | Ha Ha Ha |
| 13:27.02 | DeepMoon | weirdos |
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| 13:28.23 | Pc_Dark | what will it do |
| 13:29.13 | xingu | hmm, LCA season again eh |
| 13:29.13 | asg | Pc_Dark: type it |
| 13:29.13 | Pc_Dark | a cow |
| 13:29.13 | Pc_Dark | wooohooo... |
| 13:29.15 | Pc_Dark | i'm proud of debian's supperior graphics |
| 13:29.36 | asg | apt-get install cowsay ; cowsay -f stimpy 'indeed' |
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| 13:29.55 | Pc_Dark | ... |
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| 13:36.46 | Pc_Dark | is there a way to make cron automatically create "backup.date.tar.gz" every day at 3AM |
| 13:36.55 | Gathond | yes |
| 13:36.56 | Pc_Dark | and backup the whole system |
| 13:37.59 | priscila | Pc_Dark, you can make a script and use cron to run it |
| 13:38.08 | Pc_Dark | I'm not good at programming :/ |
| 13:38.22 | Pc_Dark | I can do it in perl though if it allows that |
| 13:38.25 | Pc_Dark | wait |
| 13:38.28 | Pc_Dark | could i do it in php |
| 13:38.29 | Pc_Dark | and have like |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | use bash .. |
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| 13:39.01 | Gathond | Pc_Dark: cron just runs a command like from a shell, it does not care if the command is a bash, perl, php script or whatever other format |
| 13:39.04 | freakies | grub-error 18: whats the problem, or how can i solve it? |
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| 13:39.19 | Pc_Dark | shell_exec("tar -cfv --create backup".date("mm.dd").".tar.gz"); |
| 13:39.28 | Pc_Dark | or something like that |
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| 13:41.34 | abrotman | that's just stupid |
| 13:42.26 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: you're not a paid systems admin are you ? |
| 13:42.40 | Pc_Dark | No I'm not :P |
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| 13:42.50 | Pc_Dark | I'm a 13 year old kid trying to understand linux |
| 13:44.10 | Drgb | backup the whole system....!?!? |
| 13:44.12 | Drgb | why? |
| 13:44.24 | abrotman | Drgb: that's not the important part ... |
| 13:44.34 | Drgb | effectively it's not |
| 13:44.39 | Drgb | but I'm kinda curious |
| 13:44.41 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: google "bash scripting howto" .. learn how to do it |
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| 13:49.42 | Pc_Dark | how would I find my backup |
| 13:49.48 | Pc_Dark | grep root.tar / didn't find it |
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| 13:51.13 | azeem | Pc_Dark: grep searches the content of files, it doesn't search *for* files |
| 13:51.17 | Pc_Dark | oh |
| 13:51.18 | azeem | Pc_Dark: use the find command for that |
| 13:52.05 | Pc_Dark | it just like showed every file though |
| 13:52.10 | Pc_Dark | find / root.tar |
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| 13:53.09 | Kvant | find / -name root.tar |
| 13:53.21 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 13:54.15 | Pc_Dark | does it take awhile |
| 13:54.23 | Kvant | yes :P |
| 13:54.29 | Kvant | try locate, it might be faster |
| 13:54.47 | Pc_Dark | didn't find it |
| 13:54.50 | Pc_Dark | :/ |
| 13:55.08 | abrotman | updatedb && locate root.tar |
| 13:55.29 | Pc_Dark | mmm... |
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| 14:01.39 | xingu | pop quiz, is it interfaces(5)-ly valid to define both inet and inet6 families for the same interface? |
| 14:01.54 | xingu | if so, do both get configured by ifup? |
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| 14:02.55 | anapivirtua | Re |
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| 14:03.20 | Techdeck | hello, where can I get a list of names of debian branches? |
| 14:03.26 | Techdeck | like testing = etch |
| 14:04.39 | Kvant | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames |
| 14:04.49 | Techdeck | thank you |
| 14:05.02 | Techdeck | but which is which? |
| 14:05.05 | Techdeck | what is stable called now? |
| 14:05.11 | Techdeck | I'm still used to potato myself :p; |
| 14:05.38 | Kvant | stable=sarge, testing=etch, nexttesting=lenny |
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| 14:06.14 | Techdeck | thanks :D |
| 14:06.20 | Techdeck | nexttesting == unstable? |
| 14:06.28 | Kvant | unstable=sid |
| 14:06.46 | yggdrasi1 | I like sid music |
| 14:06.47 | Kvant | when etch is released, the new testing will be lenny |
| 14:07.41 | Techdeck | gotcha, thanks |
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| 14:09.53 | kaudio_ | somebody know how i can down the speed of internet to my LAN ? |
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| 14:18.29 | yggdrasi1 | ? |
| 14:18.32 | abchirk | hi all |
| 14:18.47 | yggdrasi1 | hi |
| 14:19.23 | yggdrasi1 | abchirk, did you see the yellow rap monkeys? |
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| 14:20.27 | abchirk | ehm i did a debootstrap from gentoo and put the gentoo kernel to bootuing new debian(sarge) all works fine, but if i want to call apt-get or else it tells me:" error while loading shared lib.:libstdc++.so.6 cannot open no such file or dir. anyone an idea? |
| 14:20.29 | abchirk | mh no? |
| 14:20.53 | abchirk | but i looked at /usr/lib there is libstdc+.so.6 because i copied it from old debian there |
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| 14:26.56 | arriesp | hi |
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| 14:27.55 | arriesp | i have burnt the iso of debian's dvd |
| 14:27.59 | arriesp | but it not work |
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| 14:28.07 | arriesp | the dvd not boot |
| 14:28.25 | azeem | arriesp: any error messages? |
| 14:28.27 | arriesp | is posible that it not boot because y burnt them in a rewritable dvd? |
| 14:28.33 | arriesp | no no |
| 14:28.43 | azeem | so just a black screen? |
| 14:28.45 | arriesp | the pc continue |
| 14:28.48 | arriesp | no |
| 14:28.55 | azeem | ok |
| 14:28.57 | arriesp | continue booting mi SO |
| 14:29.02 | arriesp | OS |
| 14:29.18 | azeem | can you see files on the DVD if you open it e.g. in Windows? |
| 14:29.25 | abrotman | it's possible it won't boot because you burnt it at a speed that was too high |
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| 14:29.58 | arriesp | 2x? |
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| 14:30.01 | arriesp | xD |
| 14:30.50 | arriesp | azeem: i burnt it on kubuntu, not in win |
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| 14:31.59 | arriesp | before that i try to install debian from cd's but it doesn't work |
| 14:32.09 | arriesp | it show an error message of the usb |
| 14:32.14 | arriesp | :( |
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| 14:32.21 | azeem | arriesp: can you boot e.g. the kubuntu cd? |
| 14:32.28 | arriesp | yes |
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| 14:32.41 | arriesp | and i can boot dvd's like fedora |
| 14:32.42 | azeem | arriesp: and can you mount the DVD you have burnt? |
| 14:33.03 | arriesp | see the files of the dvd? |
| 14:33.09 | azeem | yes |
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| 14:33.26 | arriesp | yes |
| 14:33.27 | arriesp | :) |
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| 14:34.09 | arriesp | what i must do? |
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| 14:34.19 | azeem | which DVD did you download/burn? |
| 14:34.32 | azeem | which version of Debian, I mean |
| 14:34.33 | arriesp | sorry for my english, i'm spanish |
| 14:34.44 | azeem | you can also try #debian-es if you want |
| 14:34.45 | azeem | !es |
| 14:34.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:34.47 | arriesp | 3.1 |
| 14:34.47 | arriesp | iso |
| 14:34.48 | yggdrasi1 | spanish = communist? |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:35.05 | arriesp | and i download them from ktorrent |
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| 14:35.11 | arriesp | noo |
| 14:35.17 | arriesp | why do you say me that? |
| 14:35.23 | azeem | yggdrasi1: huh? |
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| 14:35.27 | yggdrasi1 | nothing |
| 14:35.31 | azeem | yggdrasi1: then shuddup |
| 14:35.39 | yggdrasi1 | o.o |
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| 14:36.05 | azeem | arriesp: sorry, I've no idea what could've gone wrong |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | though if you have broadband .. the netinst is far easier |
| 14:36.24 | arriesp | mm |
| 14:36.29 | arriesp | :( |
| 14:36.51 | arriesp | abrotman: is posible, but it show me error messages |
| 14:36.59 | arriesp | thank for all |
| 14:37.00 | arriesp | :) |
| 14:37.05 | abrotman | arriesp: what is possible ? |
| 14:37.26 | arriesp | i think, because i use rewritable dvds |
| 14:37.29 | arriesp | but |
| 14:37.38 | arriesp | if i can run kubuntu, why debian not rules? |
| 14:37.41 | arriesp | i don't know |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | that's not why |
| 14:38.12 | arriesp | i don't understand |
| 14:38.25 | azeem | arriesp: what is the error you get? |
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| 14:39.10 | arriesp | usb trying to reconnect or something similar |
| 14:39.30 | arriesp | i don't remember exactly |
| 14:40.06 | arriesp | it shows me when i was selecting the name of the user or the password |
| 14:40.45 | azeem | arriesp: why is a problem with USB preventing you to install? |
| 14:40.53 | xingu | good god, how can squid still not be ipv6 enabled in this day and age |
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| 14:41.02 | arriesp | i don't know |
| 14:41.19 | arriesp | i disable it on the bios, but the messege continue |
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| 14:41.38 | arriesp | well |
| 14:41.43 | azeem | arriesp: and this message prevents installation? |
| 14:41.46 | arriesp | i return in five minutes |
| 14:41.51 | arriesp | prevents? |
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| 14:43.06 | Trentster | how do i look at the history commands for someone ssh'd in on pts/1 ? |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | does not allow |
| 14:43.22 | abrotman | Trentster: cat their shell history file .. if they have one |
| 14:43.44 | Techdeck | or su to them and use the 'history' command |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | assuming they haven't su'ed to another user themselves |
| 14:44.06 | Trentster | abrotman, where would this preside , they are in as root as well at the momment.. |
| 14:44.29 | Techdeck | abrotman, if they did you will see the 'su' itself and then you can su by yourself and run history as user2 |
| 14:44.29 | Techdeck | :P |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | /root/ or $HOME |
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| 14:44.57 | Techdeck | Trentster, /root/.bash_history |
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| 14:45.18 | abrotman | assuming bash ... |
| 14:45.37 | Techdeck | hence why I offered 'history' :p |
| 14:45.53 | qqqgd | how can i close a program that doesnt respond? |
| 14:46.00 | Techdeck | qqqgd, kill it |
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| 14:46.02 | Techdeck | literally |
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| 14:46.57 | qqqgd | how do i? |
| 14:47.11 | Techdeck | kill "PID number here" |
| 14:47.31 | qqqgd | now u just gotta tell me how to figure out the pid |
| 14:47.32 | Techdeck | if that doesn't work, kill -9 |
| 14:47.39 | Techdeck | qqqgd, ps ax |
| 14:47.50 | abrotman | pidof |
| 14:47.52 | Techdeck | or pgrep program |
| 14:48.17 | Techdeck | or killall -9 programname |
| 14:48.29 | Techdeck | or pkill |
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| 14:48.49 | Techdeck | use at your own risk |
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| 14:54.20 | astronaute | does anyone know if Audigy 2 have Hardware multiplexing, to use teamspeak + game ?? |
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| 14:56.03 | astronaute | please guys anyone can answer this please ? ^^ |
| 14:56.31 | azeem | astronaute: this can be done in software as well |
| 14:56.38 | azeem | I don't know about the hardware |
| 14:56.44 | Ireul | please, what about xen kernels for unstable? I mean xen kernels are better respect standard debian kernel? |
| 14:57.06 | azeem | Ireul: if you don't use Xen, use the standard kernels |
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| 14:57.44 | Ireul | azeem: I'm only asking if xen kernels are better of standard kernels |
| 14:58.09 | xingu | !better |
| 14:58.09 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:58.34 | astronaute | azeem can you tell me how to do it please ? nforce3 intel8x0 |
| 14:58.42 | Ireul | azeem: on fc6 agpgart won't work on standard kernel, then I installed a xen kernel and agpgart worked fine! |
| 14:58.45 | astronaute | azeem integrated sound card |
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| 14:59.42 | Ireul | azeem: I mean: "better" = that works with certain hardware respect normal kernel |
| 14:59.44 | FelipeSouza | To install debian, can i use cds like: cd 1, cd 2, and cd 3(without cd 2) ??? |
| 15:00.11 | dvs | FelipeSouza: you only need the first CD really. |
| 15:00.32 | Ireul | azeem: hardware supposed to work with normal kernel too |
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| 15:00.52 | FelipeSouza | dvs: the installer asks what's cd to install? |
| 15:01.20 | dvs | FelipeSouza: It asks for any CDs that you have, and they don't have to be in order. |
| 15:01.20 | FelipeSouza | dvs: or install the cds later? how it's work? |
| 15:01.24 | larsl | Hello, I just installed Etch and almost all desktop fonts are anti-aliased, but in Firefox for example some fonts are not - can I fix that? |
| 15:01.55 | FelipeSouza | dvs: ok, thank's, other thing: with the netinst, can pause the download, turn off the computer, to continue later?? |
| 15:02.15 | dvs | FelipeSouza: Dont know. Never tried it. |
| 15:02.26 | FelipeSouza | dvs: ok, thank's |
| 15:02.39 | dvs | no prob |
| 15:02.39 | FelipeSouza | anybody know about netinst? it can continue the download? |
| 15:02.48 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.13 | CharminTheMoose | it worked fine before I rebooted my computer |
| 15:03.29 | asg | FelipeSouza: unlikely. However, installing a very minimal base system functional enough to download whatever else you need should take no more than a few minutes. |
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| 15:04.36 | FelipeSouza | asg: ok |
| 15:04.39 | jonaskoelker | how can I make apt-get download packages in parallel (i.e. over *both* my interfaces)? Is there any package manager which will let me do it? |
| 15:04.52 | astronaute | azeem you here ? |
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| 15:05.15 | FelipeSouza | only more one ask: the driver rt73(for the wgl-122g wireless usb adapter) works on debian? |
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| 15:14.11 | monteiro | i've heard that is possible to have a base system, to make chroot on it, and, where can i download this base system? Its to use the unstable packages without affecting my system. |
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| 15:14.30 | abrotman | debootstrap is one way |
| 15:15.04 | xingu | 2.6.19.2 really ought to be the stable kernel for amd64 |
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| 15:15.31 | monteiro | abrotman : tks :) |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 15:15.45 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | xingu: file a bug? :) |
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| 15:16.25 | iveqy | hi, I'm having some trouble starting warcraft 3. I got the error X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error) |
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| 15:16.40 | iveqy | the thing is that glx works fine. |
| 15:17.08 | iveqy | I'm using a chroot enviroment, (64-bit system and 32-bit chroot). |
| 15:17.22 | boerner | maybe wrong lib? |
| 15:17.37 | iveqy | and under that wine. If a use directX instead of opengl it works fine |
| 15:17.54 | iveqy | boerner: wrong lib? You mean that i tries the 64-bit lib? |
| 15:18.06 | abrotman | warcraft3 runs on linux ? |
| 15:18.36 | boerner | maybe... in the most cases on my comp its a wrong or not installed lib |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | or does it run in wine ? |
| 15:19.15 | iveqy | abrotman: yes of course :), in wine.. |
| 15:19.21 | abrotman | have you asked #winehq ? |
| 15:19.26 | boerner | mh did you installed the libaries in your 32 chroot or copied them from 64 env? |
| 15:19.26 | iveqy | boerner: how do I check/change that? |
| 15:19.45 | iveqy | boerner: I used sdebootstrap |
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| 15:20.19 | boerner | normaly i search in synaptic for Xlib or so... and install some that look right... i know i know not the best method :D |
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| 15:20.44 | iveqy | boerner: that's my method also. And I already installed everything :S |
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| 15:21.11 | mike-e | hmmm i did a distupgrade from sarge to etch and my sound doesn't work |
| 15:21.53 | multi_io | I have a problem here with apt-preferences: http://paste.debian.net/19952 |
| 15:21.57 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:21.57 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 15:22.01 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 15:22.10 | cahoot_ | mike-e: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:22.12 | multi_io | why does the package from the apt-build repository only get a priority of 500 instead of 981? |
| 15:22.17 | boerner | ivegy, :D hehe then i dont know... |
| 15:22.20 | mike-e | cahoot_ : thanks |
| 15:22.40 | multi_io | the priority for "testing" (980) from /etc/apt/preferences is applied, the one for "apt-build" (981) is not. why? |
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| 15:23.58 | larsl | Are there any Debian repositories that have more recent versions of audio stuff like jackd than the official ones? |
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| 15:25.01 | mike-e | is there a list of different servers to use as a repository? the usc one sucks |
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| 15:25.28 | asg | mike-e: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:25.54 | saxm | hi, just done a netinstall of etch on two machines. Both are missing the /bin/less binary, although /bin/zless exists. Is this a bug anyone has heard of? |
| 15:26.01 | xingu | abrotman: http://readlist.com/lists/vger.kernel.org/linux-kernel/56/282823.html <-- all good fun. |
| 15:26.07 | xingu | abrotman: merged in 2.6.19.2 |
| 15:26.19 | h3sp4wn | larsl: maybe the demudi ones |
| 15:26.20 | asg | saxm: should be in /usr/bin, not /bin |
| 15:26.20 | hark | saxm: less is not installed by default |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | xingu: file a bug! |
| 15:26.54 | hark | saxm: unless you used tasksel |
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| 15:27.14 | saxm | hark: my bad, you're right |
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| 15:28.20 | xingu | hot damn grep -R/ diff -R are quick when both trees fit in memory. |
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| 15:30.09 | larsl | h3sp4wn: Any idea where those repositories are? All links Google come up with are to an expired domain. |
| 15:30.48 | h3sp4wn | larsl: No sorry |
| 15:31.11 | larsl | OK, I'll look a bit more. |
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| 15:31.55 | larsl | Another question; is there one of those "update available" applets for KDE? There was one running by default in GNOME, but I can't find a Kicker applet for it. |
| 15:33.09 | rahul | killers and saviors / fight for our fate / there is no escape |
| 15:33.34 | rahul | larsl: wouldn't you want to use apt instead? |
| 15:33.44 | rahul | larsl: if not, that's not a debian-related question... |
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| 15:34.34 | rahul | yikes. what a night. and all that with only 6 drinks heh |
| 15:34.34 | larsl | rahul: It _is_ apt. |
| 15:34.43 | rahul | larsl: ah, interesting. |
| 15:34.57 | larsl | rahul: It checks for updates in the apt repositories and starts the Debian update-manager when you click it. |
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| 15:36.22 | ludan | hi guys, someone has a vaio laptop? |
| 15:36.35 | rahul | !poll |
| 15:36.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:36.50 | ludan | ok, sorry |
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| 15:37.00 | xingu | rahul: 6 drinks... of antifreeze? |
| 15:37.09 | asg | ludan: tuxmobile.org |
| 15:37.10 | ludan | i'm experiencing problem with the sonypi module, before the last debian upgrade it was working.. |
| 15:37.18 | rahul | haha |
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| 15:37.34 | ludan | dmesg: sonypi command failed at drivers/char/sonypi.c : sonypi_call1 (line 646) |
| 15:37.48 | ludan | and i don't have anymore /proc/acpi/sony/* |
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| 15:39.25 | arriesp | bye |
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| 15:43.08 | kolly | hello, |
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| 15:45.34 | larsl | Is /etc/modutils/alsa-base the right file to add module options for ALSA modules (fixed indices)? |
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| 15:47.13 | cahoot_ | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (in etch) |
| 15:47.17 | mike-e | jesus the us repositories are slow as crap |
| 15:47.38 | asg | mike-e: I don't think jesus is going to be able to help though |
| 15:47.49 | xingu | jesus built my hotrod |
| 15:48.13 | mike-e | predictable doesn't even begin to explain it |
| 15:48.29 | larsl | cahoot_: Thanks. That files looks almost identical to /etc/modutils/alsa-base, is that the new version of it or something like that? |
| 15:49.17 | xingu | larsl: modutils is going going gone. |
| 15:49.23 | larsl | OK. |
| 15:49.56 | iveqy | now I know the problem :). In my main system (64) I do have direct rendering, but in my chroot system (32) I do not. how come? |
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| 15:54.19 | cyberny | salut |
| 15:54.34 | cyberny | quelle est l'interface graphique la plus legere ? |
| 15:54.41 | xingu | !fr |
| 15:54.41 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:55.36 | iveqy | cyberny: to oblies le "/" |
| 15:55.46 | cyberny | vu |
| 15:55.48 | cyberny | dsl |
| 15:56.07 | iveqy | cyberny: /join #debian-fr |
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| 15:58.07 | fasta | Is it normal that Linux can crash when I have ulimit unlimited? |
| 15:58.35 | cyberny | Hi |
| 15:58.43 | asg | fasta: sure, crashes can be entirely unrelated to limits |
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| 15:59.02 | cyberny | looking for the lightest x-window interface |
| 15:59.03 | RvGaTe | RichiH, you there ? |
| 15:59.09 | iturk | hi there i am trying to copy an image from a pdf file to an odt using open office but i cannot find it in paste after i see the message in acroread the image has been copy to clipboard !! How can i copy an image from a pdf to a odt file ?? |
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| 15:59.16 | fasta | asg: I meant that it wouldn't crash if I had ulimit to some smaller value. |
| 15:59.21 | asg | cyberny: fvwm, twm, ion3, the *box wms |
| 15:59.31 | krazykit | cyberny: icewm, fluxbox, ratpoison |
| 15:59.33 | dogfish | cyberny: xfce4 or fvwm or fluxbox |
| 15:59.37 | cyberny | what about fluxbox, enlightenment, xfce ? |
| 15:59.37 | xingu | I'm surprised that POSIX 1003.2 survived toubon unmolested |
| 15:59.49 | cyberny | there's too many |
| 15:59.53 | asg | fasta: it depends on the nature of the crash. It might not if the crash is related to resource exhaustion. |
| 15:59.53 | pingouin | cyberny: get flwm ;) |
| 16:00.36 | fasta | asg: I did the equivalent of forkProcess (execute yes);forkProcess (execute yes n) |
| 16:00.53 | cyberny | do i need gnome componnent for installing open office ? |
| 16:01.06 | asg | fasta: in that case, a limit on number of processes should prevent a crash |
| 16:01.22 | fasta | asg: only two processes are generated, AFAIK. |
| 16:01.36 | fasta | asg: or are active at any time. |
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| 16:01.59 | iveqy | iturk: use pdfimages |
| 16:02.18 | yang | why doesn't "ps wuxa" sort processes by date? |
| 16:03.23 | xingu | yang: why would it? |
| 16:03.51 | yang | xingu: on every other shell i get it sorted by date |
| 16:04.02 | xingu | yang: ps(1): Output is unsorted by default |
| 16:04.30 | RvGaTe | What do i need to start downloading from usenet on debian? (i have an payed account already) |
| 16:04.34 | yang | xingu: so to limit it by date, which option do i need to add? |
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| 16:04.45 | asg | RvGaTe: try pan |
| 16:04.48 | xingu | yang: the fine manpage suggests "O" |
| 16:05.12 | xingu | yang: as to which column you need to sort on, that's between you and your shell and the documentation |
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| 16:05.58 | yang | xingu: ps O doesnt work at all |
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| 16:06.52 | denken | is it a violation of rfc to EHLO to an smtp server with a non-existant FQDN? |
| 16:07.29 | asg | denken: the relevant rfc would tell you |
| 16:07.35 | denken | asg: no kidding :P |
| 16:07.48 | denken | finding the relevant one is the trick ;) |
| 16:08.07 | asg | denken: well, googling for rfc smtp should get you close |
| 16:08.32 | denken | agreed |
| 16:08.51 | xingu | yang: ps wuxaOT works here |
| 16:09.01 | asg | denken: though your question seems to be about the validity of something a client inputs. The rfc likely only addresses what the server should do with bogus input. |
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| 16:09.33 | arriesp | hi |
| 16:09.34 | RvGaTe | asg, thx |
| 16:09.44 | asg | RvGaTe: you're welcome |
| 16:09.49 | denken | asg: that might help as well though... ebay.com sends some strange stuff in smtp sessions so im trying to figure out "whos wrong" as it were |
| 16:10.03 | yang | xingu: that is better, thanks |
| 16:10.33 | RvGaTe | asg, just wondering, guessing you use it to download it aswell, does debian have support for applying the par2 files ? |
| 16:11.32 | arriesp | my dvd's iso not boot |
| 16:11.38 | arriesp | what i have to do? |
| 16:11.47 | larsl | arriesp: Checked the BIOS settings? |
| 16:12.08 | arriesp | yes |
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| 16:12.47 | RvGaTe | arriesp, if that doesn 't work, try to find a boot menu... and if that doesn't work, try burning it on a lower speed |
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| 16:13.09 | arriesp | i burnt it at 2x |
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| 16:13.39 | RvGaTe | arriesp, then you'll have to make sure the bios settings are correct |
| 16:13.46 | rahul | wtf, after all that, I woke up before my date |
| 16:13.46 | arriesp | yes |
| 16:13.46 | avtobiff | 20x |
| 16:13.51 | avtobiff | 10x 5x? |
| 16:13.55 | avtobiff | salvia? |
| 16:13.55 | rahul | today's date |
| 16:14.01 | arriesp | i have instaled kubuntu |
| 16:14.03 | arriesp | windows |
| 16:14.04 | arriesp | fedora |
| 16:14.05 | arriesp | linex |
| 16:14.12 | arriesp | and, no problem with the boot |
| 16:14.16 | rahul | avtobiff: interesting, I'm listening to saliva right now |
| 16:14.19 | arriesp | why with debian? |
| 16:14.20 | arriesp | :( |
| 16:14.27 | rahul | arriesp: please stop flooding! |
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| 16:14.38 | RvGaTe | arriesp, you have to do something wrong, it worked for thousends of other people |
| 16:14.38 | avtobiff | rahul, why do you want to listen to saliva? |
| 16:14.41 | arriesp | i'm sorry |
| 16:14.43 | avtobiff | rahul, drippeti-drop |
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| 16:14.46 | avtobiff | ;-) |
| 16:14.48 | arriesp | yes |
| 16:14.49 | rahul | heh |
| 16:14.50 | arriesp | i know |
| 16:14.58 | rahul | survival of the sickest. |
| 16:15.41 | avtobiff | heh |
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| 16:15.42 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok folks, a question. i'm using festival, but i'd like a different voice. is there a .deb for festvox_cmu_us_slt_arctic_hts or would i have to install it manually? |
| 16:15.42 | arriesp | i try to install debian with netinstall and with cd's iso, but it show me error messages |
| 16:15.58 | asg | RvGaTe: I've used it in the past; I don't much use Usenet these days. I think there is a parchive package to handle par files. |
| 16:15.58 | RvGaTe | arriesp, wich one are you trying to install? |
| 16:16.03 | rahul | haha, saliva is playing in lubbock on the 3rd |
| 16:16.12 | rahul | holy shit, the 3rd is going to be a crazy day! |
| 16:16.29 | rahul | arriesp: are you planning on keeping the error messages a secret forever? |
| 16:16.34 | arriesp | 3.1 |
| 16:17.02 | arriesp | i don't understand you |
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| 16:17.53 | user_ | hello everyone ! i want to know something for certain .... I have a drive A - with LVM and full of data and a new empty drive B ||| If i will expand i will lose any data on the old drive A ? |
| 16:18.02 | Cuddles_in_KY | arriesp, what are the error messages it shows? |
| 16:18.11 | rahul | ow, saliva is too heavy for my brain condition |
| 16:18.18 | asg | Cuddles_in_KY: apt-cache search festival (it should list already packaged voices.) If the one you want is not listed, you'll have to get it manually. |
| 16:18.35 | arriesp | usb is trying to connecto or something similar |
| 16:18.36 | Cuddles_in_KY | asg, that's what i was afraid of, thank you. |
| 16:18.46 | arriesp | it shows me when i boot debian |
| 16:18.51 | arriesp | and no finish |
| 16:18.58 | arriesp | and when i installed it |
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| 16:19.05 | arriesp | :( |
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| 16:20.27 | rahul | arriesp: so fix it, "or something". wtf. |
| 16:20.41 | rahul | how can we know what to do if you don't know what the error is? |
| 16:21.05 | arriesp | i'm sorry |
| 16:21.26 | arriesp | but the dvd have to work i think |
| 16:21.52 | xingu | RvGaTe: nget might be worth a look too |
| 16:23.08 | xingu | RvGaTe: it's going back over a decade now but the core code it uses, uulib, is from a rather well written and tenacious tool, uudeview. |
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| 16:23.46 | arriesp | thanks |
| 16:23.47 | arriesp | bye |
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| 16:24.08 | user_ | hello everyone ! i want to know something for certain .... I have a drive A - with LVM and full of data and a new empty drive B ||| If i will expand i will lose any data on the old drive A ? |
| 16:24.17 | rahul | hmm, I'll just listen to Frou Frou I guess |
| 16:26.32 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:26.54 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 16:27.14 | Mazingaro | please is there anyone using an ultra5 with debian? |
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| 16:27.22 | ceztko | hi! |
| 16:27.38 | landstalker | are there any images of unstable etch at the moment? |
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| 16:27.49 | asg | landstalker: there is no such thing as 'unstable etch' |
| 16:27.57 | rahul | heh |
| 16:28.00 | larsl | landstalker: There is a network installer for Etch. |
| 16:28.09 | rahul | hrmf I should take a nap before my date |
| 16:28.13 | landstalker | really? Available for download? |
| 16:28.17 | larsl | landstalker: I used it yesterday. |
| 16:28.22 | landstalker | rahul good look on your date |
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| 16:28.46 | larsl | landstalker: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:29.02 | ceztko | all: what's trhe correct way to share the same dir with both nfs and samba? Should i share with samba a nfs mount point or can i simply set the same dir for the nfs export and the samba share? |
| 16:29.12 | larsl | landstalker: Download the "netinst CD image", burn it to CD, and boot from it. |
| 16:29.27 | landstalker | cheers, clearly I need to read more. Thanks :) |
| 16:29.36 | asg | ceztko: the latter |
| 16:29.57 | larsl | By the way, does that netinst image have the spiffy GUI installer on it? Or is that somewhere else? |
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| 16:30.53 | ceztko | asg: is this way safe? |
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| 16:31.30 | landstalker | last question, as I've never used the testing release before. When it becomes stable can I put my testing release onto the same status as it, if you understand me |
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| 16:32.42 | larsl | landstalker: The APT sources don't say "testing", they say "etch", so I'm assuming they will continue to give you Etch packages when Etch becomes "stable". |
| 16:32.46 | larsl | If that's what you meant. |
| 16:33.10 | landstalker | sounds ok to me, thanks for this, I expect it to be released in a month or so anyway :D |
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| 16:38.10 | lilphil | Hi all. I have been figuring out the new method of using wpa_supplicant in etch, especially the documented usage of mode2 (roaming) in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz. It seems to fit together quite well, but when bringing down the interface it does not kill off the wpasupplicant - I was wondering if this is intended behaviour, or indeed if it's a problem with my setup not debian (I'm using voyage, but I don't think it de |
| 16:38.10 | lilphil | viates from the debian packages very much it seems to be mostly kernel changes) |
| 16:39.05 | xingu | ceztko: either way carries the slight risk of file corrution - file locking in either former or latter design is inherently racey. |
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| 16:39.38 | larsl | Stupid question: In Mandriva I used to do 'service sound stop' or 'service sshd start' to control the scripts in /etc/init.d, what's the equivalent on Debian? |
| 16:39.54 | lilphil | /etc/init.d/service start |
| 16:39.54 | dvs | larsl: invoke-rc.d |
| 16:39.57 | cahoot_ | larsl: ivoke-rc.d |
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| 16:40.44 | ceztko | xingu: what's your advice :-) ? |
| 16:41.11 | tnks | I was using a package that was pulled from the repository (apt-cache policy just shows the local installation). Is there a convenient way to find all such packages? |
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| 16:42.04 | tnks | (hopefully without having to parse through the calls to "apt-cache policy" for every installed package)? |
| 16:42.08 | sam_uk | i want to be able to launch a set of audio apps from a menu item, the first thing that needs to load is jack.. i have tried writing my first script which looks like this http://script.pbwiki.com/ what happens when i run it is that jack loads, the rest of the script does not run until i close jack.. anyone help me with it please? |
| 16:42.13 | xingu | ceztko: teach the clients that don't know how to speak cifs to speak it |
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| 16:42.45 | blondie | er is it possible to prevent ctrl-alt-backspace from restarting X? |
| 16:42.51 | xingu | yes |
| 16:42.51 | ceztko | so using only cifs :-) ? |
| 16:43.21 | xingu | ceztko: cifs+smb both via samba should be fine; locking semantics are provided by samba and should be safe across client types |
| 16:43.39 | lilphil | blondie, Option "DontZap" in xorg.conf |
| 16:43.42 | larsl | What's the correct way to reload all ALSA modules after doing a '/etc/init.d/alsa unload'? '/etc/init.d/alsa reload' just says "Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload)." |
| 16:43.54 | blondie | thanks. |
| 16:44.08 | xingu | ceztko: the race comes in in the nfs+(cifs||smb) case; locking semantics are nfs<->vfs private, not nfs<->nfs assured. |
| 16:44.12 | lilphil | blondie, in the serverlayout section i think. set it to true |
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| 16:44.41 | xingu | ceztko: the problem is magnified by what people use locking for - which is client side caching. |
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| 16:45.11 | rhalff | anyone using supermicro ? |
| 16:45.25 | cahoot_ | larsl: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils force-reload maybe |
| 16:45.30 | xingu | ceztko: if you have either stacked or independant nfs on the same local file store - their respective clients will be carrying state which is not safe vis-a-vis the "other" nfs. |
| 16:46.17 | larsl | cahoot_: Nope, not that either. |
| 16:46.29 | ceztko | xingu: this doens't require changes in the samba server side configuration, doesn't it? |
| 16:47.15 | cahoot_ | invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart |
| 16:47.16 | larsl | cahoot_: I edited /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to change the order of my soundcards, is there any way to check if I broke that file somehow? |
| 16:47.52 | xingu | ceztko: no; but if your downstream emigré cifs clients are unix - you'll want to look at the samba unix extensions |
| 16:48.08 | ceztko | xingu: you are advicing to configure linux clients to use samba shares with cifs module in the kernel, aren't tou? |
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| 16:49.08 | xingu | ceztko: that's the general idea; whether or not that is stable enough on the client side |
| 16:49.18 | xingu | ceztko: .. is something that needs heavy testing. |
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| 16:51.34 | qqqgd | how can i change the path of an installation so my root partition doesnt fill up |
| 16:51.44 | ceztko | <xingu> ceztko: .. is something that needs heavy testing. |
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| 16:52.05 | ceztko | xingu: hei! haven't you ever tested it? :-D |
| 16:52.47 | xingu | ceztko: trivial, single node use only; I'm a cautious kind of person when it comes to storage design |
| 16:54.01 | ceztko | k! thanks for the infos |
| 16:54.04 | hark | hmm, is there a better way to install vmware-server than using the tar.gz? |
| 16:54.08 | xingu | ceztko: the nfs kernel client probably gets heavier testing; having said that, it's had its share of bugs too; the important thing is to test the implementation under your worst-case workload for a sustained interval |
| 16:55.11 | ceztko | xingu: not a real problem.... only 6 clients |
| 16:55.11 | xingu | ceztko: it may be that the /potential/ locking/corruption issues that /might/ happen with nfs+cifs are less of a hazard than the linux cifs client |
| 16:55.21 | xingu | ceztko: heavy testing will reveal this |
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| 17:01.08 | n3kl | Is there an easy way to get pppd up and running? This VPN client I am trying to set up requires it. |
| 17:01.46 | larsl | In what file is the soundcards that should be loaded by 'invoke-rc.d alsa reload' specified? It doesn't load anything at all for me, although I have at least three soundcards that worked before I did 'invoke-rc.d alsa unload'. |
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| 17:02.11 | lilphil | n3kl, in what way? ive got some scripts to do pptp vpn connection here |
| 17:02.17 | fasta | I want to retain interactivity when a process goes haywire. I already have a PREEMPT kernel. What else can I do? |
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| 17:02.27 | abrotman | n3kl: pppcconfig |
| 17:02.40 | abrotman | n3kl: oh .. not dialup .. nevermind |
| 17:02.50 | n3kl | lilphil: its a pptp vpn, but the connections still keeps asking for pppd |
| 17:02.57 | abrotman | fasta: stop running that program |
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| 17:03.42 | fasta | abrotman: This might sound odd, but I expect that an OS is resilient. |
| 17:03.49 | lilphil | n3kl, silly question, but i assume it is already installed? which program are you trying to set up? |
| 17:04.04 | abrotman | fasta: uhm, any program could potentially bring down your OS |
| 17:04.12 | abrotman | fasta: for example .. see forkbombs |
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| 17:04.30 | fasta | abrotman: There are OS's where these things don't work. |
| 17:04.38 | abrotman | but other things do |
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| 17:05.01 | fasta | abrotman: well, AFAIK, they should withstand anything. |
| 17:05.34 | fasta | abrotman: anyway, this is off-topic. I just want to know whether I can do something like that with Debian Linux _today_. |
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| 17:06.53 | abrotman | fasta: ulimits maybe |
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| 17:07.48 | lilphil | fasta, I find that some programs end up sending my machine into a swap frenzy if theyve been open too long. its annoying and if I dont catch it quickly it usually ends with a reboot. never figured out what to do about it :/ |
| 17:08.16 | fasta | lilphil: it's called a memory leak |
| 17:08.33 | lilphil | fasta, yeah i know. and theyre usually called "open office" or "firefox 2" |
| 17:08.38 | lilphil | sadly... |
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| 17:08.55 | fasta | lilphil: I don't run those applications for days on an end |
| 17:09.21 | lilphil | fasta, I use them at work day in day out, and tend not to close them when i go home |
| 17:10.17 | fasta | lilphil: Is anyone working on those bugs? |
| 17:10.19 | larsl | What is the right command to get ALSA back up after unloading it? 'invoke-rc.d alsa reload' just says 'Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).' |
| 17:11.24 | lilphil | fasta, its not regular but does happen. probably about 4/5 times a year. I'm not a programmer and I have no idea how I could debug that when its so infrequent and the machine is unusable at the time |
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| 17:12.11 | abrotman | flash and java don't help :) |
| 17:12.28 | lilphil | ah yes, with flash on the page its much more predictable :) |
| 17:13.17 | fasta | I think valgrind can be used to detect memory leaks, but I prefer not to work with manual memory management. |
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| 17:13.58 | fasta | Working with C for a networked application is crazyness from a security point of view. |
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| 17:14.52 | abrotman | lilphil: you should try it without flash installed for FF .. |
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| 17:15.39 | lilphil | abrotman, i presume it can still cause issues if there's no flash on the pages? |
| 17:15.42 | larsl | No ideas about how to restart ALSA? I don't even get anything after restoring /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to the way it was. |
| 17:16.02 | cahoot_ | larsl: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils start ? |
| 17:16.03 | abrotman | lilphil: AFAIK .. once it loads the plugin it stays active .. and there's flash on so many pages now |
| 17:16.13 | lilphil | larsl, sounds like its not configured to load your modules. |
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| 17:16.57 | larsl | cahoot_: No, that doesn't load anything. |
| 17:17.02 | Madeye | guys, how to create reverse dns entry for my home server IPs? |
| 17:17.03 | larsl | lilphil: It did load them on boot. |
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| 17:17.19 | larsl | lilphil: With the same config files. |
| 17:17.19 | lilphil | abrotman, i see. im using 64bit now so no flash for that... :) i'll be interested to see if it makes a difference |
| 17:17.45 | abrotman | lilphil: it will make some difference .. but FF is still a wreck IMO |
| 17:17.49 | abrotman | lilphil: but don't tell blondie |
| 17:17.54 | lilphil | Madeye, usually have to ask the ISP |
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| 17:18.01 | Wyzard | On this recently-installed sid system, I have several bitmap fonts ("Charter", "Courier", "Times", and a few others) that aren't present (as far as fontconfig is concerned) on any of my other systems |
| 17:18.13 | lilphil | abrotman, heh. it seems to be a lot worse with 2 |
| 17:18.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: aren't those the TTF fonts from MSFT ? |
| 17:18.37 | lilphil | larsl, not sure, sorry |
| 17:18.42 | Madeye | lilalinux, well, I'm setting up three home servers connected to 6mb line, will start hosting mail and web stuff, so I have to do it myself |
| 17:18.46 | abrotman | erm .. TTF fonts is redundant :) |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | Madeye: you can't |
| 17:19.05 | Madeye | abrotman, why |
| 17:19.12 | abrotman | Madeye: if your ISP doesn't allow you to .. it's not going to happen |
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| 17:19.25 | lilphil | Madeye, who is the line provided by? |
| 17:19.43 | Wyzard | I'm trying to figure out where these fonts are coming from -- whether it's a configuration issue, or if I actually have some font package installed that's not installed on my other systems -- so I can remove them |
| 17:19.45 | Madeye | abrotman, why you are assuming they aren't allowing me? |
| 17:19.48 | larsl | Loading the modules manually ('modprobe snd-emu10k1', 'modprobe snd-via82xx' etc) works, but I'd rather not do that every boot. |
| 17:19.49 | ineo | Madeye: look out, there are ISP's that don't allow smtp for example |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | most don't |
| 17:20.11 | dvs | larsl: then put them in your /etc/modules file |
| 17:20.13 | Madeye | abrotman, ineo, guys the ISP are aware of the service i'm going to start |
| 17:20.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, you're thinking of "Courier New" and "Times New Roman" which are TrueType fonts... I have those, but I also have these non-scalable, non-antialiased bitmap fonts |
| 17:20.30 | larsl | dvs: But isn't the ALSA scripts supposed to load them automatically? |
| 17:20.31 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 17:20.36 | ineo | Madeye: great, have fun with it |
| 17:20.41 | abrotman | Madeye: you can ask them |
| 17:20.42 | dvs | larsl: nope |
| 17:20.58 | cahoot_ | yes |
| 17:21.01 | lilphil | larsl, i would expect the modules.conf to load them rather than alsa scripts. or whatever thats called these days (modutils.d ?) |
| 17:21.03 | Wyzard | I can see these fonts listed when I run "fc-list"... does anyone know of a way to ask fontconfig where a particular font (as shown by fc-list) is coming from? |
| 17:21.06 | larsl | dvs: It did when I booted. |
| 17:21.35 | cahoot_ | larsl: first dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 17:21.37 | dvs | larsl: I always put it in my /etc/modules |
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| 17:21.41 | abrotman | damn fonts |
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| 17:22.03 | Madeye | abrotman, Ok, technically speaking how one would add it? host hostname.domain.com then dig -x IP then reverse.db and add it to name.conf? reload bind and you are done? |
| 17:22.37 | larsl | cahoot_: That did it, thanks. |
| 17:22.51 | blondie | abrotman: such insolence! |
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| 17:23.18 | Wyzard | aha... "fc-match Times" tells me that it's from the file "timR12.pcf.gz", which "dpkg -S" tells me is provided by the xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi packages... but I have those on my other systems too, so this must be a configuration issue governing whether fontconfig is willing to look at bitmap fonts |
| 17:23.35 | larsl | So what file should I edit to change the soundcard order? /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base didn't seem to work. |
| 17:24.04 | cahoot_ | larsl: works here |
| 17:24.04 | Wyzard | In fact, I seem to remember being asked a "use bitmap fonts?" debconf question at some point on other systems, but not on this one, and "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" doesn't evoke it |
| 17:24.41 | valdyn | x-ttcidfont-conf? |
| 17:24.42 | hark | fontconfig-config |
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| 17:25.01 | abrotman | Madeye: you make a file for that .. and then add that file to your named.conf |
| 17:25.02 | ram____ | Hi all |
| 17:25.06 | larsl | Hm, running 'invoke-rc.d alsa unload' followed by 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' and 'invoke-rc.d alsa unload' seems to not load the modules again. It only worked the first time. |
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| 17:25.30 | valdyn | Wyzard: dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf asks about bitmap fonts, not sure if that is what you wanted |
| 17:25.40 | ram____ | can some one help me, i have downloaded small image of ISO, how can copy them to USB disk and install in to USB other Partition ? |
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| 17:25.47 | cahoot_ | larsl: invoke-rc.d alsa reload ? |
| 17:26.36 | lilphil | Madeye, techically speaking whoever has control of the reverse dns has to do that. which is whoever owns the ip block |
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| 17:26.55 | abrotman | or if the ISP lets you |
| 17:27.08 | Wyzard | valdyn: "dpkg-reconfigure -plow x-ttcidfont-conf" asked me which backend to use (freetype or xtt) but didn't ask about bitmap fonts :-/ |
| 17:27.13 | hark | Wyzard: it's dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 17:27.24 | Madeye | lilphil, I own them, I purchased seven static IP address |
| 17:27.27 | ram____ | i mean, i have attached USB stick, on exiting FC5 system, downloaded ISO image i want to copy to USB stick, and install from that ? |
| 17:27.46 | Wyzard | hark: Perfect, that solved it -- thanks :-) |
| 17:27.49 | abrotman | blondie: if you made a better product .. people wouldn't slam it :) |
| 17:28.10 | larsl | cahoot_: Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 17:28.25 | lilphil | Madeye, you mean youre leasing the static IP's. it looks like telecom egypt own them |
| 17:28.33 | valdyn | Madeye: you still need to ask your isp to delegate reverse lookups |
| 17:28.33 | ram____ | i have copied the ISO imange with DD but iam not able to boot from USB stick......what wrong iam doing. |
| 17:28.36 | larsl | "Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload) |
| 17:28.41 | cahoot_ | larsl: what can I say - works as expected here |
| 17:29.04 | Madeye | lilphil, check it with maxmind it's not eygpt anymore. |
| 17:29.09 | Madeye | valdyn, Ok :-) |
| 17:29.11 | blondie | abrotman: opera isn't better |
| 17:29.21 | ram____ | any one help me ? |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | blondie: it crashes less .. hogs less RAM .. and is faster .. it's better for me! :) |
| 17:29.59 | ram____ | how can i copy ISO image to USB stick and install ? |
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| 17:30.30 | ram____ | debian ISO image i mean |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | ram____: you cant |
| 17:30.55 | lilphil | Madeye, ok, but either way as valdyn says you dont have any way to publish reverse dns to the root nameservers so it has to be the job of the isp |
| 17:30.58 | ram____ | valdyn: is this not possible ? |
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| 17:31.57 | valdyn | !fgi ram____ installing debian from an usb stick |
| 17:31.57 | dpkg | ram____: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=installing debian from an usb stick |
| 17:32.08 | craigevil | ram____: actual you can but its a pain> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 17:32.23 | valdyn | !fgi ram____ installing+debian+from+an+usb+stick |
| 17:32.23 | dpkg | ram____: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=installing+debian+from+an+usb+stick |
| 17:32.26 | Wyzard | valdyn: That's quite possible... Debian has a USB-stick bootable image, which works by loop-mounting an iso that you store on it, and running the installer from it |
| 17:32.56 | ram____ | Wyzard: hey how can i do that ? |
| 17:33.08 | ram____ | Wyzard: any doccuments |
| 17:33.17 | valdyn | Wyzard: sure, and google knows it.. |
| 17:33.20 | valdyn | ram____: use google |
| 17:33.39 | Wyzard | ram____: There's a section on it in the Debian installation manual, and craigevil just gave you a link to it |
| 17:33.43 | ram____ | valdyn: after google only iam here..........................good reference.. |
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| 17:34.41 | valdyn | ram____: what's wrong with that google it ? |
| 17:34.46 | valdyn | ram____: what's wrong with that google hit ? |
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| 17:34.57 | elvirolo | hi |
| 17:35.04 | elvirolo | could anyone tell me where a fonts stored in sid ? |
| 17:35.11 | valdyn | !google installing+debian+from+an+usb+stick |
| 17:35.12 | ram____ | its giving me old links.. and the commands does not exits , what i have downloaded the ISO image.. |
| 17:35.14 | Jimmymaniac | Results for installing+debian+from+an+usb+stick on Google: |
| 17:35.14 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
| 17:35.54 | ram____ | valdyn: did u searched what results its come........does not help much |
| 17:36.45 | craigevil | ram____: the debian.org link i gave you gives detailed directions or if you prefer Etch> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html |
| 17:36.47 | valdyn | ram____: yes, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2465646 |
| 17:36.51 | humbolto | I have a LVM question |
| 17:38.17 | humbolto | resizing most filesystems depends on the partition starting point staying the same. Since volumes are virtual in LVM does that mean, I am virtually free from this restriction? |
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| 17:38.39 | ram____ | valdyn: i have FC5 system, where i have downloaded the debian ISO image.. so some of the commands mentioned document not working.. |
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| 17:40.11 | valdyn | ram____: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/apcs04.html.en |
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| 17:40.24 | valdyn | ram____: hell, read the install manual yourself, then come back with a specific question |
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| 17:41.57 | ram____ | valdyn: its specific question, sure let me reach |
| 17:41.59 | ram____ | read |
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| 17:45.38 | Danielss89_ | hi, how do i log in as root?? is there other ways that sudo -s?? |
| 17:45.53 | abrotman | at the shell ? |
| 17:46.14 | cahoot_ | Danielss89_: ubuntu? |
| 17:46.18 | Danielss89_ | debian |
| 17:46.25 | larsl | Danielss89_: 'su' |
| 17:46.49 | Danielss89_ | yeah, i was told in here that that was the way:D |
| 17:46.58 | larsl | Danielss89_: It's like sudo except it will stay in the root shell and not just run a single command as root. |
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| 17:47.09 | Danielss89_ | oki thanks larsl |
| 17:48.23 | larsl | Danielss89_: You can also switch to another VT and login as 'root', or even log in to an X session as 'root'. That's not very useful though. |
| 17:48.47 | Danielss89_ | hehe, i think ill use the su command:D |
| 17:48.49 | larsl | Since you typically just need to run a few commands as root. |
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| 17:49.18 | Danielss89_ | now i just have to find my root password, lol:D |
| 17:49.31 | lilphil | sudo passwd :) |
| 17:49.40 | nkuttler | sudo su |
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| 17:50.18 | abrotman | what is wrong with su/sudo ? |
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| 17:50.50 | Danielss89_ | guess theres something with my exim |
| 17:51.08 | Danielss89_ | http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2735 |
| 17:52.14 | lilphil | what user is exim running as? |
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| 17:54.02 | Danielss89_ | dont know... |
| 17:54.04 | Danielss89_ | :D |
| 17:54.07 | Niklas- | Is it possible to mount an iso file as an iscsi target? |
| 17:54.12 | Danielss89_ | i will contact my hosting company |
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| 17:55.16 | adrakoa | hi |
| 17:55.25 | adrakoa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.04 | adrakoa | it's posible to send a ITA?, in the bugs reports it hasn't still about its adopting.. |
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| 17:57.46 | XrMb2 | is it possible to list (like for example, top does) all disk-access, regarding reading and writing processes ? |
| 17:57.51 | abrotman | adrakoa: bug # ? |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 17:58.28 | buerste | hi i'm trying to get an ipw3945 wlan card to work. i did the following: aptitude install ipw3945-2.6.18-3-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d wireless-tools wpasupplicant. it keeps sending dhcp requests but does not get any offers. when executing iwconfig, the essid seems to be changed by ipw3945. it has an additional (random) char at it's end. someone got an idea what i may be doing wrong? |
| 17:58.28 | tabris|away | i think he wants what procinfo used to do in 2.4 |
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| 17:59.50 | abrotman | buerste: you sure that's yours ? |
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| 18:02.10 | buerste | abrotman, the essid? |
| 18:02.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:02.10 | abrotman | if you list them all .. do you get more than one ? |
| 18:02.11 | buerste | "list"? |
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| 18:02.11 | buerste | how to list them? im trying to run it with wpasupplicant |
| 18:02.12 | buerste | ah okay... iwlist |
| 18:02.12 | buerste | ;) |
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| 18:02.34 | xored | hello guys, i have activated key-authentication won ssh on my box a while ago. How to turn off any passowr authentication ? |
| 18:02.41 | buerste | well i cant connect to it... dunno why ;) |
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| 18:03.32 | buerste | someone got it working? |
| 18:03.43 | buerste | (an ipw3945 interface?) |
| 18:03.57 | adrakoa | abrotman: 336974 |
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| 18:04.38 | adrakoa | buerste: module-assistant |
| 18:04.58 | adrakoa | ipw3945 uses the driver ipw2200, isn't it? |
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| 18:05.36 | buerste | adrakoa, no, it got its own one, which isnt in the kernel yet |
| 18:06.31 | abrotman | adrakoa: you're Matej ? |
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| 18:07.19 | adrakoa | no |
| 18:07.33 | adrakoa | i'm strange :) |
| 18:08.01 | buerste | iwconfig eth2 output: eth2 unassociated ESSID:"{essid}{random char}" seems like ipw3945 is adding a char to the essid ( the essid in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf is right!) |
| 18:08.02 | adrakoa | buerste: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/detail_desc.aspx?ProductID=2259&DwnldID=11200&agr=Y |
| 18:08.15 | abrotman | adrakoa: okay .. do you want to adopt it ? |
| 18:08.19 | adrakoa | yes |
| 18:08.50 | adrakoa | but without disturbance |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | adrakoa: so you didn't append the bug ? |
| 18:10.04 | buerste | adrakoa, there were some problems with wireless-tools, which deleted the essid's last char in previous versions, and the ipw3945 driver added this char. now, debian etch provides the fixed wireless-tools which dont delete the last char, and the ipw3945 driver which adds this char... seems like a bug to me |
| 18:10.05 | adrakoa | not still.. |
| 18:10.26 | xingu | I hate it when vendors give you "debugging" tools that actually kill the application they're supposed to diagnose |
| 18:10.50 | abrotman | adrakoa: so append the bug .. say you'd like to adopt it .. find a sponsor (/msg dpkg mentors) .. and get cracking |
| 18:11.05 | adrakoa | oh :) thx... |
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| 18:11.22 | adrakoa | our dpkg is really cööl |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | adrakoa: and if you choose .. file for NM |
| 18:11.40 | adrakoa | s/our/your |
| 18:11.51 | aarkerio | Somebody knows the codename of Debian testing after Etch release? |
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| 18:11.58 | LightKnight | aarkerio: Lenny |
| 18:11.59 | parsonsd | if anyone is familiar with space-orbit (apparently aka orbit), i grabbd the package and all the planets are dark -- none of the pixmaps display. of other interest, while it's effective, the commands to quit the game report back segmentation fault... |
| 18:12.01 | xingu | buerste: that fix was unfixed kernel side in late 2.6.18 |
| 18:12.02 | LightKnight | !lenny |
| 18:12.02 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 18:12.05 | aarkerio | THx! |
| 18:12.16 | xingu | buerste: shouldn't be an issue again now/since. |
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| 18:12.37 | abrotman | oh .. he got a toolkit! |
| 18:12.39 | xingu | buerste: certainly isn't for me on sid with privately packaged 2.6.19.2 |
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| 18:13.13 | adrakoa | thx abrotman |
| 18:14.05 | adrakoa | could a debian patch be a chapter about emacs :) abrotman ? |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:16.53 | Danielss89_ | how can i test if mail is working.. i think its exim 4 i use |
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| 18:19.33 | LLcoolM | i tried using debootstrap on an amd64 cpu running i386 debian to migrate to amd64-debian |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | echo "test" | mail you@youraddress |
| 18:19.51 | snowbird | lol |
| 18:19.54 | LLcoolM | however i cannot chroot to it |
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| 18:20.07 | LLcoolM | it fails with Exec format error |
| 18:20.14 | LLcoolM | why is that? |
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| 18:20.53 | lilphil | Danielss89_, there are many tests, but you could just send some mail through it for starters :) |
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| 18:21.04 | Dembug | simple test for a simple question eh |
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| 18:21.18 | SpComb | http://pastebin.zapotek.paivola.fi/252 <-- installing php5-cli wants to essentially remove apache |
| 18:21.28 | Danielss89_ | yeah, i meant how i did that lilphil hehe, well i get this error: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2736 |
| 18:21.31 | SpComb | don't stare at people |
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| 18:21.35 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:21.38 | Dembug | spcomb i so know you |
| 18:21.43 | Dembug | must be from here :D |
| 18:21.50 | SpComb | you do? |
| 18:22.05 | buerste | xingu, :/ well i think the newest version of the ipw3945 driver could fix it but theres no deb file available |
| 18:22.29 | lilphil | Danielss89_, is that the same pastebin as last time? |
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| 18:22.33 | xingu | buerste: m-a -l `uname -r` prepare; m-a -l `uname -r` a-i ipw3945 |
| 18:22.35 | Danielss89_ | nope.. |
| 18:22.53 | Danielss89_ | no lilphil thats a pastebin from a mail sending test |
| 18:23.08 | SpComb | you know what I hate? When windows explorer crashes |
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| 18:24.12 | buerste | xingu, what does that do? i didnt use debian before ;) |
| 18:24.12 | Dembug | heh spcomb ;> |
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| 18:24.42 | Dembug | SpComb: easily solution, dont use iexplore :D |
| 18:24.42 | Dembug | SpComb: easily solution, dont use *windows explorer |
| 18:24.42 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:24.42 | buerste | brb |
| 18:24.42 | xingu | buerste: compiles ipw3945-source into something useful. |
| 18:24.42 | DimmuR | I've problem with soundcard - everytime i login to gnome i have sound muted - how can i change it? |
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| 18:25.16 | SpComb | or just kill process tree and start it up again |
| 18:25.16 | lilphil | oh right, Danielss89_ its pretty much the same error. who owns the logfile /var/log/exim4/mainlog ? |
| 18:25.27 | SpComb | gets rid of all those startup tasks |
| 18:25.29 | lilphil | Danielss89_, and the directory /var/spool/exim4 |
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| 18:25.33 | SpComb | as well as VLC :( |
| 18:25.38 | Dembug | ahhh quagga is so sexy :O |
| 18:25.49 | Dembug | everybody says to use FREEBSD :< |
| 18:26.05 | Danielss89_ | lilphil how can i see that?? |
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| 18:26.16 | lilphil | Danielss89_, ls -l /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 18:26.26 | rycuda | Danielss89_, ls -ld /var/spool/exim4 |
| 18:26.35 | Danielss89_ | root@danielss89:/# ls -l /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 18:26.35 | Danielss89_ | -rw-r----- 1 root root 413 Jan 13 03:12 /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 18:26.45 | Danielss89_ | root@danielss89:/# ls -ld /var/spool/exim4 |
| 18:26.45 | Danielss89_ | drwxr-x--- 5 root root 4096 Jan 13 03:12 /var/spool/exim4 |
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| 18:27.51 | SpComb | but about my php5-cli complaint... |
| 18:28.03 | SpComb | http://pastebin.zapotek.paivola.fi/252 <-- Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
| 18:28.48 | _pepo_ | hi friends. |
| 18:28.55 | SpComb | Suggested packages: apache-perl |
| 18:28.56 | SpComb | >_> |
| 18:28.58 | lilphil | Danielss89_, mmkay, i would expect that to be owned by the Debian-exim user. i take it youre using debian, and your starting exim using the init script? |
| 18:29.07 | SpComb | why does the php5-cli package recommend an apache-perl package? |
| 18:29.09 | deadcat_ | mount: RPC: Program not registered :: what up? i have portmap and nfs-common running already.. |
| 18:29.18 | SpComb | I think there's some evil perl hackers in debian subverting this thing |
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| 18:29.41 | Danielss89_ | ehhmm... doesnt really know lilphil, i just got the server, it is a virtuel server... |
| 18:30.15 | _pepo_ | I use 192.168.X.X (Class C) for mi LAN in IPv4, which address do I have to use if I am trying with IPv6? |
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| 18:31.00 | Danielss89_ | !etch |
| 18:31.00 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 18:31.19 | Danielss89_ | !etch-upgrade |
| 18:31.23 | Danielss89_ | !etch-update |
| 18:31.31 | Danielss89_ | !upgrade etch |
| 18:31.34 | Danielss89_ | damn |
| 18:31.36 | Danielss89_ | :D |
| 18:31.40 | deadcat_ | mount: RPC: Program not registered :: what up? i have portmap and nfs-common running already.. |
| 18:31.41 | lilphil | Danielss89_, ok, stop the daemon if its started (invoke-rc.d stop exim4) and chown -R Debian-exim: /var/spool/exim4 && chown -R Debian-exim /var/log/exim4 |
| 18:31.50 | rycuda | Danielss89_, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:31.56 | lilphil | er, sorry invoke-rc.d exim4 stop i think |
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| 18:32.12 | Danielss89_ | lilphil invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/stop not found. |
| 18:32.23 | lilphil | reverse args :) i get confused |
| 18:32.24 | xingu | _pepo_: any /64 in fec0::/10 |
| 18:32.46 | Danielss89_ | oh, i am using 4.0 :D |
| 18:32.47 | Danielss89_ | lol |
| 18:32.54 | _pepo_ | tnx |
| 18:33.02 | buerste | xingu, could you pls tell me that command again? i had an older kernel and recognized it short time after i left irc :/ |
| 18:33.11 | xingu | buerste: m-a -l `uname -r` prepare; m-a -l `uname -r` a-i ipw3945 |
| 18:33.14 | xingu | buerste: compiles ipw3945-source into something useful. |
| 18:33.21 | buerste | xingu, thanks :) |
| 18:33.30 | stoned | http://www.jamesallen.com/item.asp?cid=63&item=1217&name=8835p |
| 18:33.39 | stoned | Hows this for a ring? |
| 18:33.47 | lilphil | Danielss89_, and when youre done do an invoke-rc.d exim4 start |
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| 18:33.58 | stoned | why am I in debian |
| 18:34.00 | stoned | goddamit |
| 18:34.20 | Niklas- | Can someone help me to try and identify this patch and ho i can apply it to the source? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31358035&forum_id=40837 |
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| 18:35.23 | deadcat_ | somebody help me with my nfs error please: mount: RPC: Program not registered :: what up? i have portmap and nfs-common running already. |
| 18:35.34 | abrotman | on both machines ? |
| 18:35.41 | buerste | xingu, got the same issue :/ |
| 18:35.41 | Danielss89_ | lilphil failed to open dev/null/ permission denien |
| 18:35.43 | Danielss89_ | denied* |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | deadcat_: when did you get so silly? you used to answer questions .. not ask |
| 18:36.23 | deadcat_ | abrotman: i just got the machine installed and working nicely with the 80gig hdd late lastnight. (= |
| 18:36.34 | lilphil | Danielss89_, what's giving this error? it sounds like the system is pretty screwed up |
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| 18:36.49 | deadcat_ | abrotman: i deserve to ask few silly questions. |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:36.58 | Danielss89_ | lilphil its in the exim4 paniclog when i try to send a mail |
| 18:37.16 | lilphil | Danielss89_, any idea what caused it to get to this state? |
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| 18:37.32 | curt_ | deadcat_, iknow how you feel |
| 18:37.44 | stoned | wrong channel sorry |
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| 18:38.01 | Danielss89_ | well, i accidently ran rm -r /* ... hehe and some vital folders got deleted, so my webhost set up a new vserver... and now im here:D |
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| 18:38.40 | stoned | dude |
| 18:38.46 | stoned | I'm a fucking pothead |
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| 18:38.49 | stoned | I smoke more than anyone I know |
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| 18:38.58 | stoned | yet I don't even "accidentally" do what you did |
| 18:38.59 | xingu | buerste: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:39.00 | stoned | :) |
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| 18:39.24 | stoned | Danielss89_, what possessed you mate? |
| 18:39.24 | Danielss89_ | hehe stoned i was really drunk, and i dont know linux very well... hehe |
| 18:39.31 | stoned | Danielss89_, lol |
| 18:39.34 | Danielss89_ | and some prick here at IRC |
| 18:39.43 | stoned | ahh |
| 18:39.43 | Danielss89_ | (not this channel) told me to run the command :D |
| 18:39.44 | stoned | I got ya |
| 18:40.00 | stoned | if you trust #debian over others, you'll be very pleased |
| 18:40.02 | buerste | xingu, 2.6.18-3-686. i build the 1.2.0 version of the driver myself, but i dont know where to put the .ko file now |
| 18:40.10 | lilphil | Danielss89_, oh dear, ive got to laugh :) it sounds like your webhost have not set up the vserver properly, it would be quicker to get them to fix it |
| 18:40.14 | faust_ | Pot and jackasses seldom blend. |
| 18:40.15 | stoned | this is by far the most intelligent and quick responding/problem resolving channel I've EVER been to |
| 18:40.26 | faust_ | I should know. There's no limit to what I've made stoners belive to be a good idea. |
| 18:40.26 | Danielss89_ | yes.. |
| 18:40.32 | stoned | the only stipulation is |
| 18:40.36 | stoned | you have to be running debian |
| 18:40.40 | Danielss89_ | hehe |
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| 18:40.43 | stoned | not ubuntu, not debian based, but debian |
| 18:40.50 | lilphil | Danielss89_, can keep trying to fix the mess but it doesnt sound too good |
| 18:40.55 | jelly-home | stoned: I agree, even though there are some stoned folks around |
| 18:41.01 | stoned | asshole |
| 18:41.02 | stoned | :) |
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| 18:41.09 | faust_ | Of course. For Ubuntu users there's #ubuntu, full of fud about any tool that makes an already too easy distro even easier. |
| 18:41.10 | Danielss89_ | hehe |
| 18:41.11 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 18:41.23 | rycuda | Danielss89_, have you just copied what remained of your old machine onto the new virtual machine? |
| 18:41.48 | Danielss89_ | no rycuda, i think theyve installed a new distro. |
| 18:42.07 | Danielss89_ | i dont got access to the machine, ijust got SSH access.. |
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| 18:42.40 | lilphil | Danielss89_, ls -l /dev/null |
| 18:42.46 | Danielss89_ | lilphil i just ran apt-get update and upgrade, and theres this error: |
| 18:42.46 | Danielss89_ | dpkg: error processing at (--configure): |
| 18:42.46 | Danielss89_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.46 | Danielss89_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:42.46 | Danielss89_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.53 | Danielss89_ | sorry:( |
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| 18:42.59 | Danielss89_ | !pastebin |
| 18:42.59 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 18:43.21 | Danielss89_ | lilphil can you paste the command again? |
| 18:43.30 | lilphil | ls -l /dev/null |
| 18:43.38 | buerste | xingu, DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1 :-) |
| 18:43.39 | lilphil | was it an upgrade or a dist-upgrade you did? |
| 18:43.42 | Danielss89_ | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 13 03:12 /dev/null |
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| 18:43.48 | xingu | buerste: I don't think it's a driver issue; also getting back to your earlier statement - ipw3945 doesn't bring up datalink until association is complete |
| 18:43.48 | Danielss89_ | upgrade lilphil |
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| 18:44.23 | lilphil | Danielss89_, thats odd. I would expect /dev/null to be rw-rw-rw. Do a chmod 666 /dev/null |
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| 18:45.21 | lilphil | Danielss89_, can you pastebin that upgrade error too |
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| 18:45.55 | buerste | xingu, http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ have a look at the second comment. its working with the 1.2.0 version of the driver now (by simply copying the 1.2.0 .ko file over the old one and reloading the module). |
| 18:46.02 | Danielss89_ | lilphil |
| 18:46.02 | Danielss89_ | http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2737 |
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| 18:47.01 | lilphil | odd |
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| 18:47.42 | Danielss89_ | should i try to remove it: apt-get remove at and install it again? |
| 18:48.00 | lilphil | doesnt sound like util-linux is to blame. you could try apt-get -f install |
| 18:48.17 | deadcat_ | abrotman_: it mounts fine from my laptop to desktop.. maybe nfs in sarge doesnt play nice with sid. |
| 18:48.21 | deadcat_ | i am going to etch |
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| 18:48.29 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 18:48.43 | lilphil | Danielss89_, oh, that looks like an error thats lingering from a previous apt |
| 18:48.47 | karmatronic | Danielss89_, maybe atd is not installed |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman_ | deadcat_: i think they are different versions |
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| 18:49.03 | lilphil | Danielss89_, could try removing it it wont hurt |
| 18:49.11 | xingu | buerste: I'm fine with the debian source and 2.6.19.2, ta. |
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| 18:49.32 | xingu | buerste: keeping up with ipw3945 upstream gets old quick, I find anyway. |
| 18:49.34 | Danielss89_ | karmatronic E: Couldn't find package atd |
| 18:49.50 | lilphil | Danielss89_, (at that is) |
| 18:49.53 | deadcat_ | abrotman_: i will upgrade to etch on the qube3 anyway because i need lighttpd.. and etch will be stable soon. i think |
| 18:50.00 | abrotman_ | oh jeez |
| 18:50.00 | samuel | are there any programs I may use to draw icons on the desktop in enlightenment? |
| 18:50.02 | christopher_l | how can I customize the size of gnome terminal? Is there any settings file? |
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| 18:50.19 | RvGaTe | With PAN, articles downloaded from usenet are stored directly in my homefolder... how/where can i setup my download folder |
| 18:50.25 | Danielss89_ | lilphil after i ran the apt-get -f install command there's no error when i run apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:50.45 | lilphil | Danielss89_, thats good. dont worry about at then. it doesnt sound related though |
| 18:51.15 | lilphil | Danielss89_, after the chmod does exim still error? |
| 18:51.15 | abrotman_ | RvGaTe: there are no preferences ? |
| 18:51.15 | Danielss89_ | oki, well theres no errors in my paniclog enumore |
| 18:51.15 | karmatronic | Danielss89_, it s in at package |
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| 18:51.16 | RvGaTe | abrotman, there are, but none that will select me a folder |
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| 18:51.29 | lilphil | Danielss89_, does a testmail work? |
| 18:51.31 | Danielss89_ | lilphil now i just says arror in the main log file |
| 18:51.31 | buerste | xingu, well at least its working now :) |
| 18:51.44 | lilphil | Danielss89_, heh. what sort of error? |
| 18:51.56 | Danielss89_ | mailing to remote domains not supported.. hehe |
| 18:52.04 | Danielss89_ | so that would be easy to set up if i knew how:D |
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| 18:52.18 | lidtlp | hi |
| 18:52.45 | Danielss89_ | lilphil do you know how that is done? |
| 18:52.47 | lilphil | Danielss89_, ok thats a much bigger topic. do you have the exim configuration from the last vm? if not, who set it up for you, can they do it again? |
| 18:52.58 | lidtlp | anybody skilled with parted? I'm gettin Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 18:53.11 | Danielss89_ | where should the config file be lilphil |
| 18:53.17 | lilphil | /etc/exim4 |
| 18:54.00 | lilphil | there are many files. if you dont have anything to start from you can start with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:54.01 | Danielss89_ | damn, then its deleted:( |
| 18:54.11 | lidtlp | on this kernel 2.6.16.31 with parted 1.8.2 |
| 18:54.29 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:54.54 | Bogus8 | this happens only in X, that I'm aware of |
| 18:55.06 | larsl | Can I prevent Firefox from using un-antialiasable fonts somehow? |
| 18:55.15 | Danielss89_ | lilphil the IP to listen for incoming mail, should that be 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:55.22 | RvGaTe | !news |
| 18:55.25 | lilphil | Danielss89_, but setting up a mail server isnt something you want to take lightly, you can easily end up being a spam relay |
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| 18:55.41 | lilphil | Danielss89_, if you only want to send mail from the vserver then yes |
| 18:55.50 | lilphil | Danielss89_, and receive... |
| 18:56.05 | rycuda | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.31 | Danielss89_ | yes, i want to be able to send mail with the php's mail() function, and to use pop3 and smtp to send and recieve mails with an internet user interface |
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| 18:56.37 | stoned | RvGaTe, no news is good news. |
| 18:57.02 | stoned | rycuda, I have the new phonebook still outside my doorstep. Its freezing, its been a few days, I never got it |
| 18:57.20 | Danielss89_ | lilphil yes, i want to be able to send mail with the php's mail() function, and to use pop3 and smtp to send and recieve mails with an internet user interface |
| 18:57.59 | RvGaTe | !tell stoned about news |
| 18:58.27 | RvGaTe | stoned, note the last updated time |
| 18:58.29 | stoned | RvGaTe, its in lots of movies |
| 18:58.48 | lilphil | Danielss89_, in that case you really need to find someone to configure exim for you, doing it over irc could take many hours! |
| 18:58.49 | stoned | Rene, listen to me. No news is good news. Period. End of joke. Laugh. |
| 18:58.50 | stoned | :D |
| 18:59.01 | Danielss89_ | hehe okey lilphil |
| 18:59.09 | Danielss89_ | thanks for the other help anyway:D |
| 18:59.13 | lilphil | Danielss89_, no probs |
| 18:59.28 | stoned | RvGaTe, so you still with us... on Debian OS I mean? |
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| 19:00.06 | RvGaTe | stoned, 19:59:40 up 8 days, 24 min, |
| 19:00.11 | stoned | nice |
| 19:00.28 | stoned | Ihad a killer 180day uptime, till I had to upgrade my kernel. Restarted the machine |
| 19:00.30 | stoned | :( |
| 19:00.44 | xingu | _pepo_: actually fec0::/10 is on the way out; see rfc4193 for a possible replacement; personally I'm happy enough retaining the concept of site-local until something fills the gap adequately |
| 19:00.45 | RvGaTe | stoned, im actually "using" it aswell |
| 19:00.57 | stoned | RvGaTe, your main desktop... sweet |
| 19:00.58 | lilphil | Danielss89_, a couple of pointers if youre looking to undertake it yourself: read the exim manual :) and probably the cyrus or courier manual. and make good use of an open relay tester |
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| 19:01.04 | stoned | RvGaTe, welcomem to the world of real men |
| 19:01.08 | stoned | and women too I suppose |
| 19:01.09 | stoned | :D |
| 19:01.26 | Danielss89_ | hehe lilphil i think ill just let my web hosting company do that:D |
| 19:01.44 | _pepo_ | and what can be the new way? |
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| 19:01.57 | hollywoodb | how do I tell aptitude to install recommended packages automatically? |
| 19:02.07 | xingu | _pepo_: read the rfc. |
| 19:02.10 | Cyis | hmm... time on this laptop seems to be wonky and it's only when Debian is running as BIOS clock has the right time |
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| 19:03.07 | Cyis | I have to tell it to use UTC to get the correct time.. but my BIOS clock is set to the right time |
| 19:03.07 | lilphil | Danielss89_, wise man :) |
| 19:03.07 | christopher_l | how do I change startup size of applications? |
| 19:03.08 | _pepo_ | where? (sorry I dont speak english that is the reason is more easy ask) |
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| 19:03.29 | xingu | _pepo_: search google for rfc4193 |
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| 19:03.52 | elvirolo | is there documentation availible somewhere for enabling DRI on sid ? |
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| 19:04.14 | elvirolo | available* |
| 19:04.21 | faust_ | elvirolo: other than with proprietary drivers? |
| 19:04.34 | _pepo_ | thankx |
| 19:04.36 | _pepo_ | thanks |
| 19:04.47 | rycuda | Danielss89_, if you are interested in picking up exim4 then the O'Reilly book is supposed to be rather good. |
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| 19:04.54 | elvirolo | faust_: yup, with free drivers (radeon 7500) |
| 19:05.05 | faust_ | Then I don't know. |
| 19:05.13 | rycuda | Otherwise you could just try the manuals posted on the exim4 site. |
| 19:05.14 | elvirolo | nm thanks anyway :) |
| 19:05.54 | faust_ | There's always the Mesa libs. They're suppposed to deliver DRI capability, but I've never seen it happen on any of my ati boards. |
| 19:06.02 | faust_ | Then again, all my stuff is 9700 up.. |
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| 19:07.35 | Cyis | grr... why is it thinking my bios clock is UTC |
| 19:07.36 | larsl | Do I need to explicitly add debian-non-US in my sources.list if I'm using a mirror that's outside of the US? |
| 19:07.51 | azeem | larsl: no, non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:07.55 | larsl | Ah, OK. |
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| 19:09.29 | xingu | Cyis: what does /etc/default/rcS say? |
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| 19:10.28 | Cyis | that's the bastard... been trying to find where it's hidden |
| 19:10.29 | xingu | I thought dri was a shot duck anyway, for any gpu with a non-shared-memory architecture. |
| 19:11.20 | Cyis | brb |
| 19:11.20 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.20 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 19:13.32 | Ono | hi |
| 19:13.58 | Azar | so azeem, what's the latest regarding the "non-free" inclusion/exclusion from etch? are things going to stay the same, or there is a change? |
| 19:14.02 | Ono | Which font is using in debian official logo? |
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| 19:16.28 | Danielss89_ | how do i set my clock one hour forward:D |
| 19:16.46 | azeem | Azar: what kind of changes do you have in mind? |
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| 19:17.53 | Azar | azeem: rumor was going around for some time that there were discussions about eliminating the non-free... is this going to happen? |
| 19:17.57 | elvirolo | the Xorg log file mentions loading the dri module, but when i run glxinfo, it says that dri is disabled |
| 19:17.58 | elvirolo | can anyone help me set dri up ? |
| 19:18.17 | lilphil | it seems that ifdown doesnt pass the IF_WPA_* variables to the if-down.d scripts, so the script doesnt think it has anything to do with wpa and doesnt run. anyone know where to look to see what ifdown is doing? |
| 19:18.26 | azeem | Azar: no |
| 19:18.36 | Azar | azeem: thanks :) |
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| 19:18.45 | azeem | Azar: well, some non-free kernel drivers are going to get removed from the kernel source |
| 19:19.11 | Azar | aha... interesting, like nvidia for example? |
| 19:19.45 | azeem | nvidia isn't in the kernel |
| 19:19.46 | dvs | azeem: that's why I compile my own |
| 19:19.55 | azeem | search this month's debian-kernel archives |
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| 19:20.24 | Azar | so... the users will have to get the driver directly from the non-free website then compile it on their own? |
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| 19:21.22 | Jauis | HI, I have a dedicated server all installed in tha same partition /, what is the way to use /tmp mounting with noexec,nodev,nosuid? |
| 19:21.24 | Bogus8 | *take OFF sometimes |
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| 19:22.04 | Azar | I remember upgrading sarge to etch on one of my test boxes back in july 2006. I also had to update to the 2.6.15 kernel and I don't recall having to re-compile my nvidia driver. |
| 19:22.42 | Azar | ... things might change with the base 2.6.19 kernel in etch now.. |
| 19:22.51 | dvs | Azar: it is? |
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| 19:27.02 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:27.02 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:27.03 | Azar | what I feel that there will be a drastical difference between having to install the etch and having to upgrade to etch |
| 19:27.03 | lilphil | anyone know what attribute it is that gives panel's the "don't cover me" ability? |
| 19:27.03 | lilphil | desktop panels that is |
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| 19:27.04 | Azar | hmmm maybe after I upgrade to etch I will have to climb the ladder and upgrade the kernels version after version... 2.6.15 - 2.6.18 - 2.6.19 |
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| 19:27.04 | Supaplex | Azar: only one kernel upgrade, not a whole slew :) |
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| 19:27.27 | Azar | Supaplex: would a abrupt upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.19 won't affect my drivers and settings? (badly) |
| 19:28.26 | Supaplex | I don't expect as much, no |
| 19:28.33 | Azar | three year old packages might cough at the highest (even if stable) kernel |
| 19:28.53 | Azar | ok I will do the test on a test box first |
| 19:29.27 | Supaplex | I have 2.6.19.1 running on a sarge box. just make sure if you use initrd/initramfs, you have the right utils to create the image. |
| 19:30.02 | Supaplex | I just switched isps, so I've been all over fixing up stuff on these machines. I so love dnsmasq :P |
| 19:30.27 | Azar | two major new things come with etch: grub (over lilo) and xorg (over xfree86) |
| 19:30.28 | adrakoa | with intelfb inside kernel (i compile it), and with vga=791 video=intelfb:hwcursos=0 in menu.lst, it doesn't work, any advice? |
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| 19:31.00 | h3sp4wn | adrakoa: look in the fb docs in the kernel source |
| 19:31.00 | Azar | Supaplex: yep I think is good to have an "etch" kernel before going to etch |
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| 19:31.11 | azeem | Azar: sarge had grub as default already |
| 19:31.28 | Azar | azeem: really? good to know thanks :) |
| 19:31.29 | simmerz | does anyone know if i can rename an md device such as md0 to md55? I'm trying to avoid a conflict |
| 19:31.31 | h3sp4wn | adrakoa: vga= is only for vesafb - at least radeonfb uses video=1280x1024x60 syntax |
| 19:32.31 | azeem | simmerz: what kind of conflict? |
| 19:32.31 | simmerz | azeem: md names |
| 19:32.31 | simmerz | I'm restoring from a backup which has md0,1,254 |
| 19:32.32 | simmerz | the new drives have md0,1,2 |
| 19:32.49 | simmerz | 0 and 1 are the conflicts which evms wants to rename to other numbers |
| 19:32.49 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: ok.. i thought what vga was too for intelfb :) |
| 19:32.49 | adrakoa | thx |
| 19:32.49 | h3sp4wn | adrakoa: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt |
| 19:32.58 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: yes i read ... |
| 19:33.07 | adrakoa | but the example it's with a module |
| 19:33.43 | h3sp4wn | use the lilo syntax |
| 19:34.38 | h3sp4wn | but if you use grub add to kopts |
| 19:34.38 | simmerz | azeem: can that be done? |
| 19:35.18 | azeem | sorry, I don't know much about md |
| 19:35.18 | azeem | but it sounds strange |
| 19:35.22 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: :) thx |
| 19:35.25 | simmerz | azeem: thanks anyway |
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| 19:36.05 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: it's a forgotten problem :) |
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| 19:39.12 | LLcoolM | adrakoa: dont use intelfb, use vesafb if you can. |
| 19:39.18 | LLcoolM | intelfb is a pain |
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| 19:41.15 | simmerz | azeem, it appears you can change the minor version by using a kernel boot option it appears. such as md=0,/dev/firstdrive,/dev/seconddrive |
| 19:42.26 | adrakoa | LLcoolM: ok. |
| 19:42.47 | adrakoa | but first i try with it... |
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| 19:42.57 | Danielss89_ | how do i set my clock one hour forward:D |
| 19:43.02 | LLcoolM | vesafb is reasonably fast and way more stable. use video=versafb:1024x768-16@60,ywrap,mtrr |
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| 19:43.20 | abrotman | man date |
| 19:43.28 | adrakoa | LLcoolM: versafb? |
| 19:44.30 | deadcat_ | abrotman: OH FUCK!!! i found out my stupid nfs problem... HAHAHAH i had 127.0.0.1 medusa hades instead of medusa localhost in /etc/hosts. HAHAHAHA moron |
| 19:44.54 | deadcat_ | see how easy that mount is. (= |
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| 19:45.24 | loveelisha | hello |
| 19:45.41 | abrotman | deadcat_: we've been saying that about you for years |
| 19:45.44 | h3sp4wn | LLcoolM: vesafb is unaccelerated |
| 19:46.19 | LLcoolM | it is reasonably fast and doesnt crash your box everytime you playback a video |
| 19:46.43 | LLcoolM | btw, intelfb is to the part where you can use it completely unaccelerated either. |
| 19:47.16 | CyberGabber | Why gives 'uname -a' as date 'Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006', while command 'date' gives the right one for me ('Sat Jan 13 19:54:13 CET 2007') ? |
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| 19:47.42 | h3sp4wn | vesafb sucks badly - compare it to radeonfb and then you will see what it should work like |
| 19:47.45 | CyberGabber | Why gives 'uname -a' as date 'Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006', while command 'date' gives the right one for me ('Sat Jan 13 19:54:13 CET 2007') ? |
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| 19:48.24 | LLcoolM | CyberGabber: asking more than once makes no sense |
| 19:48.35 | h3sp4wn | CyberGabber: kernel build date |
| 19:48.36 | LLcoolM | uname -a shows the compile-date of the kernel |
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| 19:48.52 | tuv | h3sp4wn, what is it that radeonfb does and vesafb doesn't? |
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| 19:49.39 | CyberGabber | sorry for asking 3 times, didnt see my own question, didnt scroll down complete to bottom of irssi-windows |
| 19:49.48 | h3sp4wn | tuv: hardware acceleration |
| 19:49.57 | tuv | CyberGabber, uname gives the date at which the running kernel was compiled |
| 19:50.02 | LLcoolM | who need framebufferconsole accelerated? use xorg instead. will be way faster than the other drivers |
| 19:50.20 | tuv | h3sp4wn, for the console? |
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| 19:50.34 | h3sp4wn | tuv: Yep - no need for X really |
| 19:50.38 | LLcoolM | if you just want a text console you will not even notice the differnce |
| 19:50.49 | dan2 | Does anybody know how to fix a CPU clock going backwards on an amd64 platform? |
| 19:51.15 | LLcoolM | dan2: disable cool n quiet and there is one more setting, wait a second |
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| 19:51.43 | dan2 | k |
| 19:51.56 | h3sp4wn | dan2: There is a patch in 2.6.19.2 that should fix that |
| 19:52.09 | LLcoolM | HPET_EMULATE_RTC=y |
| 19:52.12 | dan2 | h3sp4wn: does debian have a 2.6.19.2 kernel out yet? |
| 19:52.19 | h3sp4wn | dan2: nope |
| 19:52.22 | dan2 | aye |
| 19:52.23 | dan2 | ok |
| 19:52.36 | dan2 | LLcoolM: where do I disable cool n quiet |
| 19:52.50 | LLcoolM | look if it is on at all |
| 19:52.56 | tuv | h3sp4wn, what do you use your machine for? calculator? |
| 19:52.57 | LLcoolM | cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you if it is |
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| 19:53.20 | dan2 | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm syscall nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 19:53.32 | LLcoolM | dan2: look at the cpu frequency |
| 19:53.46 | h3sp4wn | tuv: I use firefox - anything else looks nicer just in the vt's |
| 19:53.53 | LLcoolM | does it show something >1000MHz? |
| 19:53.58 | dan2 | cpu MHz : 2992.557 |
| 19:54.15 | dan2 | LLcoolM: the processor is also dual core |
| 19:54.22 | tuv | h3sp4wn, and how do you run firefox? |
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| 19:54.37 | h3sp4wn | tuv: In X - because I have a video card that sucks |
| 19:54.47 | LLcoolM | dan2: HPET_EMULATE_RTC=y (in .config for your kernel) you need to compile it yourself |
| 19:54.57 | tuv | h3sp4wn, so you keep switching between X in vt's? |
| 19:55.00 | h3sp4wn | If I could get an r200 radeon with pci express I would still just use the vt's |
| 19:55.04 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: one could use something like ratpoison and a maximized term. |
| 19:55.05 | tuv | *X and vt's? |
| 19:55.10 | dan2 | LLcoolM: I've been having some bizarre issues with X and GTK... do you think they're related to my clock going backwards? |
| 19:55.20 | LLcoolM | cant say |
| 19:55.32 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: The fonts just look loads nicer on the console for some reason than in X |
| 19:55.32 | LLcoolM | bbl |
| 19:55.34 | dan2 | i.e. every so often, my keyboard will totally lock up |
| 19:55.36 | dan2 | LLcoolM: thanks |
| 19:55.46 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: not if you use the same ones. |
| 19:55.56 | LLcoolM | dan2: i suggest you compile newest kernel and set the option i told you |
| 19:56.22 | tuv | h3sp4wn, so you keep switching between X and vt's? |
| 19:57.01 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: if you just like the standard vga font, search for a bitmapped X font called "console8x16", that's pretty much the vga font, only with a good subset of utf-8 characters |
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| 19:57.23 | h3sp4wn | I want lat0-sun16 |
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| 19:57.37 | h3sp4wn | and I haven't managed to find a fixed X font that is the same |
| 19:57.58 | h3sp4wn | the console fonts are fixed |
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| 19:59.16 | tuv | i wish i had an X font for bitstream vera! |
| 19:59.50 | tuv | so that i can use it in emacs-x ;P |
| 20:00.26 | h3sp4wn | I use terminus in xterm but I don't like the looks of it as much as lat0-sun16 does in the vt's |
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| 20:00.56 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: Hm, I can't really see the difference between lat0-sun16 and the default vga font |
| 20:01.54 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: yeah, terminus is a bit blocky. I use TerminusBold 10x20 in console, as 8x16 is a bit too small on my native res |
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| 20:02.57 | larsl | Hello, does anyone know what the reason is that gtkmm 2.10 is not packaged yet? |
| 20:04.20 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: what font do you use in a terminal in X ? |
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| 20:06.13 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: console8x16, stolen from, I think, a RedHat 9 distro |
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| 20:06.55 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: this one: htp://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/console8x16.pcf |
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| 20:10.38 | turbodaniel | good evening |
| 20:11.22 | slept | if compile new alsa drivers mit m-a do i have to delete the old modules or do they just get exchanged without breaking things ? |
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| 20:12.09 | Danielss89_ | cp: omitting directory `/danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/lib/mysql/potterskolen' |
| 20:12.13 | Danielss89_ | what does that meen? |
| 20:12.31 | turbodaniel | can somebody help me, i'm trying to do something like the windows autostart |
| 20:12.53 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I will try it - thanks alot |
| 20:13.31 | turbodaniel | what do i have to do ? |
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| 20:16.09 | xingu | jelly: is that utf-8-ly complete-ish? |
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| 20:16.27 | FelipeSouza | the debian doesn't detect my partitions in my hda, to install the only way is to delete all!!! i maked a partition to it: hda9, there are any way to mount the hda9 in /target, and run the installar jumping the partition dialog? |
| 20:16.38 | FelipeSouza | what's happening? what's this problem? thank's |
| 20:17.32 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: also, some colleagues have a fondness for sgi fixed fonts. http://steveblock.com/2005/07/21/sgi-screen-font/ |
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| 20:18.12 | jelly-home | xingu: it's not complete, but it does latin1, latin2 and cyrillics which is good enough for me |
| 20:18.26 | jelly-home | xingu: I _think_ it's from KDE. |
| 20:18.31 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I like sgi's X server |
| 20:18.33 | slept | turbodaniel, depends what for, gnome and kde have some autostart thing or you can use a init script |
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| 20:19.09 | family | when using awk, how can I print the rest of a line. I'm printing the fourth item, then everything after the tenth |
| 20:19.19 | jelly-home | xingu: I'm using it in utf-8 enabled term and it has -iso10646-1 encoding |
| 20:19.45 | turbodaniel | slept, no desktop, just X11 |
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| 20:19.53 | turbodaniel | or let's say blackbox |
| 20:20.13 | jelly-home | xingu: It has an unfortunate effect that I can now read all the russian spam in mutt, instead of it being all ?????? ????? :-) |
| 20:21.22 | turbodaniel | can u help me with that init script? |
| 20:22.15 | deadcat_ | can i unplug a serial cable while the computers are up? |
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| 20:22.44 | karsten | deadcat_: Sure. |
| 20:22.52 | jelly-home | deadcat_: I plug those in servers while they're up with no bad consenquences |
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| 20:22.56 | deadcat_ | cool. gonna return it (= |
| 20:22.58 | karsten | deadcat_: ... what the computer does is another question ;-) |
| 20:23.03 | karsten | deadcat_: Seriously, usually works. |
| 20:23.10 | karsten | deadcat_: Damnit, dude, keep that thing. |
| 20:23.18 | deadcat_ | i am getting a cheaper one. |
| 20:23.37 | karsten | deadcat_: Only thing to really watch for is static discharge. Ground yourself and touch the case before attaching/removing cabling. |
| 20:23.45 | karsten | deadcat_: $12 bucks... |
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| 20:24.37 | deadcat_ | $$$.. i want to go for a bike ride anywa. |
| 20:25.18 | xingu | jelly-home: that's no accident. |
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| 20:25.34 | jelly-home | xingu: they don't work for PC <-> Sun's serial console though |
| 20:26.06 | xingu | jelly-home: the rj45/d25 pinout was carefully designed to make a rollover rj45 create a dte<->dte null modem and a straight cable create a dte<->dce cable |
| 20:26.33 | jelly-home | xingu: ah, that's why it "just works" :-) |
| 20:26.45 | xingu | jelly-home: they do for the rsc ports; for the d25 sun-port you can use a cab-5modem and a straight cable |
| 20:26.51 | xingu | jelly-home: cab-5modem is dce... |
| 20:26.54 | tictac_ | ahhh. |
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| 20:27.33 | slept | turbodaniel, have a look at the xinit manpage |
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| 20:30.13 | h3sp4wn | turbodaniel: simplest thing to do it put exec /usr/bin/blackbox > ~/.Xsession |
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| 20:31.42 | jelly-home | xingu: hm, I haven't installed any machines with rsc ports, will try it some time. These days we usually connect the new ones directly to a cyclades server |
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| 20:37.46 | ram____ | Hi, i have installed to Debian from my FC6 to flash disk, i have edited the lilo, when i run lilo, iam getting the error |
| 20:37.47 | ram____ | Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdb1") |
| 20:38.23 | Jauis | Hi, it is very strange, but now, I cannot use djbdns, I see |
| 20:38.24 | Jauis | ireth:~# svc |
| 20:38.24 | Jauis | -su: /usr/local/bin/svc: Permission denied |
| 20:38.29 | ram____ | my /dev/sdb1 is my USB stick partiion |
| 20:38.29 | Jauis | I am root ..., any idea? |
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| 20:38.56 | Pc_Dark | how do you kill a screen session |
| 20:39.08 | yeager | screen -d |
| 20:39.16 | blondie | Jauis: chmod +x `which svc` |
| 20:39.21 | Pc_Dark | k |
| 20:40.39 | Pc_Dark | Didn't work |
| 20:40.50 | jatt | ram____: why do you use lilo? |
| 20:41.03 | Azar | cuz lilo rocks? |
| 20:41.06 | Pc_Dark | pcdark@Tower-3:~$ screen -d 1422.pts-6.Tower-3 |
| 20:41.06 | Pc_Dark | There is a screen on: |
| 20:41.06 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.06 | Pc_Dark | There is no screen to be detached matching 1422.pts-6.Tower-3. |
| 20:41.06 | Pc_Dark | pcdark@Tower-3:~$ |
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| 20:41.29 | jatt | Azar: it doesn't |
| 20:41.34 | Azar | jatt: it does |
| 20:41.35 | ram____ | jatt: config my lilo .. as per the document.. |
| 20:41.43 | Pc_Dark | can someone help me kill my screen sessions |
| 20:41.58 | Azar | lilo is not so complicated to configure |
| 20:42.22 | Pc_Dark | can someone help me :/ |
| 20:42.28 | ram____ | jatt: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, following this document and installing to my USB Flash, but its does not boot from flash at all, its keep blink |
| 20:42.28 | jatt | !ask |
| 20:42.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:43.10 | Pc_Dark | I have a problem with screen, how do I kill my sessions, screen -d SCREENPID won't work, screen -d SCREANFULLNAME won't work |
| 20:43.43 | abchirk | killall screen would be the hard choice |
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| 20:43.58 | ram____ | jatt: what u think this is problem caused......why iam not able to boot from USB Stick |
| 20:44.06 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.21 | Supaplex | ram____: not all systems support booting off usb media. |
| 20:44.33 | ram____ | Supaplex: yes i made USB as bootable, and keep blink underline on screen thats all.. |
| 20:44.46 | CyberGabber | Pc_Dark: Yesterday i read this, it was helpfull for me.. http://www.rackaid.com/resources/tips/linux-screen.cfm |
| 20:44.52 | ram____ | Supaplex: given in document that i can install in to USB Stick.. |
| 20:44.55 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 20:45.00 | jatt | ram____: that page also mentions grub, which is the lilo alternative, why don't you try grub instead? You are saying you get the problem when you run lilo, isn't it? |
| 20:45.20 | ram____ | jatt: how ? |
| 20:45.24 | ttick | okay, so my / partition is full (and small). I need to put the / on another HD which is a lot bigger. What's the best way to do this? (won't dd copy partition info too, and thus make the big drive just as small as the old?) Suggestions? |
| 20:45.47 | ttick | or is installing from scratch the only way (which would suck) |
| 20:45.58 | snowbird | i would transfer over to bigger |
| 20:46.10 | snowbird | there are tools for that |
| 20:46.25 | snowbird | maybe os on big |
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| 20:46.34 | snowbird | then imprt from small |
| 20:46.37 | ttick | snowbird: which tools? |
| 20:46.41 | xingu | ttick: mindi-mondo |
| 20:46.50 | ttick | xingu: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 20:46.52 | snowbird | like acronis |
| 20:47.24 | snowbird | and google has more cant rember choises |
| 20:47.39 | ram____ | any one suggest me.. with out lilo also i can boot........? |
| 20:47.47 | snowbird | grub |
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| 20:48.13 | jatt | ram____: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 20:48.22 | ram____ | i dont want to any lilo or grub just install directly.. |
| 20:48.31 | ram____ | yes that is the one iam following |
| 20:48.50 | Supaplex | you cannot, the kernel does not support direct booting. you need a boot loader |
| 20:48.50 | snowbird | boot from lilo floppy? |
| 20:49.04 | jatt | ram____: no, that is a different URL than http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 20:49.05 | abchirk | http://nopaste.info/029e972f89.html << i get this when i try to make the kernelsources what i forgot? I installed all kernel-headers i found, but it seems that wasnt that the solution, can anyone help me? |
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| 20:49.25 | ram____ | jatt: yes i have followed that URL also.. |
| 20:49.43 | Azar | ram____: you want to boot from that flash thing? |
| 20:50.02 | jatt | ram____: so? that URL mentions how to use grub and explicitly talks about USB flash media |
| 20:50.04 | ram____ | jatt: iam getting problem "cryptsetup -y create rootfs /dev/sdd2 |
| 20:50.04 | ram____ | " so i moved to document of debian |
| 20:50.21 | jatt | ram____: then try to fix that problem. I would not use lilo |
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| 20:50.40 | ram____ | Azar: correct i want to install debian to my USB disk |
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| 20:50.52 | Azar | ram____: might you want to instruct lilo to boot the flash ting? |
| 20:51.09 | ram____ | Azar: lilo giving me problem |
| 20:51.44 | Azar | fstab automated mount ? |
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| 20:51.47 | snowbird | flash thing boot supported from mbo bios maybe not supported |
| 20:52.03 | Azar | ah! there we go |
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| 20:52.09 | ram____ | i have latest PC with p4 |
| 20:52.21 | KuJaX | Anyone know the neccessary packages I need to install for Asterisk and SugarCRM with Debian? |
| 20:52.23 | Azar | ram____: latest PCs might not have all you want |
| 20:52.28 | snowbird | P5 NEWER |
| 20:52.34 | Azar | haha |
| 20:52.41 | Azar | well ram____ check your bios settings |
| 20:52.50 | ram____ | iam able to boot with other OS, when i install to USB, so iam sure its boot.. |
| 20:53.22 | snowbird | why not boot live fix lilo? |
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| 20:54.02 | Azar | boot with rescue mode, fix lilo? |
| 20:54.19 | snowbird | yes |
| 20:54.41 | snowbird | boot knoppix re mount lilo |
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| 20:55.17 | snowbird | used grub 7 years after grub crashed |
| 20:55.27 | snowbird | lilo died |
| 20:55.56 | pe3r | hit and run right |
| 20:55.56 | jatt | hehe |
| 20:56.08 | pe3r | with his bike |
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| 20:59.13 | snowbird | grubb ate lilo and hid |
| 20:59.23 | abrotman | not funny |
| 20:59.39 | snowbird | kk |
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| 21:01.05 | abchirk | !beer abrotman :) |
| 21:01.11 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:01.18 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
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| 21:01.56 | CyberGabber | snowbird: Maybe 'Ghost for Linux' will give a solution : http://directory.fsf.org/sysadmin/backup/g4l.html |
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| 21:02.34 | snowbird | yes or acronis migrage easy |
| 21:02.37 | minerale | If I recompile my kernel -- will it run faster? after all I have all kinds of extensions on my athlon that the generic 386 kernel does not make use of |
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| 21:03.22 | abchirk | wb cerridwen |
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| 21:05.04 | blondie | minerale: if you have an athlon, you should use the k7 kernel |
| 21:05.05 | xingu | minerale: is there not already a k8 or k7 kernel for you? |
| 21:05.11 | cerridwen | danke abchirk |
| 21:05.13 | cerridwen | :) |
| 21:05.29 | snowbird | acronis lil more trust worthy |
| 21:05.52 | snowbird | is there k8 |
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| 21:06.01 | snowbird | i got k7 |
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| 21:06.18 | mfrisch | k8 yes |
| 21:06.50 | abrotman | k8 is not for k7 |
| 21:07.02 | blondie | i have k9! |
| 21:07.04 | snowbird | cybergrabber if gost work tell me |
| 21:07.08 | minerale | ok, well apart from the kernel, when I do apt-get that downloads a 386 compiled version of the package, how can I build a version that uses all the cpu extensions ? |
| 21:07.10 | snowbird | k8 covers what cpu |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | not yours |
| 21:07.26 | blondie | erm |
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| 21:07.41 | abrotman | !tell minerale about gentoo |
| 21:07.44 | abrotman | !tell minerale about apt-build |
| 21:07.48 | blondie | minerale: use gentoo? :P |
| 21:08.07 | minerale | blondie: I was thinking apt-get -b --compile would do it |
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| 21:08.23 | blondie | compiling things is for gentoo users, not debian! |
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| 21:08.42 | minerale | ... |
| 21:08.50 | snowbird | gost for linux looks cool how i get it for debain |
| 21:09.01 | jelly-home | blondie: please to be stoppink trollink |
| 21:09.12 | blondie | ;.; |
| 21:09.13 | abrotman | snowbird: GHOST |
| 21:09.16 | snowbird | yes |
| 21:09.18 | turbodaniel | how do i install a tar.gz archive under debian??? |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | snowbird: what is your native language? |
| 21:09.35 | blondie | turbodaniel: what do you mean? that's a compressed archive |
| 21:09.35 | snowbird | english |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | snowbird: no .. really .. what is it? |
| 21:09.43 | blondie | engrish |
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| 21:09.49 | whumsch0r | does someone know why i got 100 % cpu usage out of the nowhere since kernel 2.6.17? i checked the running programs with "top" but couldn't identify any process which takes so much cpu usage.. "top" shows every second or so 100 % cpu usage without any coherrent process.. i found out that if i boot with the boot option acpi=off i don't have the the problem at all... also i noticed that the problem only appears if the laptop is in AC mode, on |
| 21:09.54 | minerale | turbodaniel: tar -zxvf package.tar.gz first, then cd into package, then ./configure then make |
| 21:10.06 | snowbird | ok |
| 21:10.09 | abrotman | whumsch0r: that's not a debian kernel ? |
| 21:10.14 | turbodaniel | oh boy |
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| 21:10.21 | blondie | abrotman: isn't it? |
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| 21:10.26 | Cyis | well since ghost for linux is GPL'd I guess you could submit a RFP or find a DD that would package it |
| 21:10.31 | Cyis | or compile it yourself |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | blondie: afaik .. every arch is 2.6.18 in etch/sid |
| 21:10.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: nono, if (response ~ /englis/i) {assume (age < 14)} |
| 21:10.52 | blondie | abrotman: maybe they dont have latest |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: the schools in canada must really suck |
| 21:11.06 | blondie | whumsch0r: why are you running 2.6.17? what distro is that? |
| 21:11.09 | abrotman | blondie: no kidding .. still not a currently availlable debian kernel :) |
| 21:11.19 | whumsch0r | abrotman hmm... actually it is linux-image-2.6.18-2 from apt |
| 21:11.32 | whumsch0r | blondie debian etch |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | should be -3- |
| 21:11.40 | h3sp4wn | etch rc1 would give 2.6.17 |
| 21:11.52 | blondie | I have only 2.6.15 on etch... shall I cry? |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | whumsch0r: is it a laptop ? |
| 21:11.56 | jelly-home | whumsch0r: 2.6.18-2 is SOOO out, -3 is the next big thing |
| 21:11.57 | blondie | h3sp4wn: orly |
| 21:12.00 | whumsch0r | i made an apt-get dist-upgrade ;> |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | blondie: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 21:12.04 | Cyis | Linux solitare 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:12.10 | h3sp4wn | blondie: until dist-upgraded |
| 21:12.11 | Cyis | that's a fresh Etch install done last nite |
| 21:12.11 | blondie | abrotman: no, don't want to reboot |
| 21:12.12 | whumsch0r | jelly-home ;P |
| 21:12.21 | abrotman | blondie: stop whining! |
| 21:12.29 | blondie | Im not |
| 21:12.39 | whumsch0r | abrotman yep.. asus laptop! |
| 21:12.51 | abrotman | whumsch0r: how old ? |
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| 21:13.03 | whumsch0r | abrotman approx 1 year |
| 21:13.06 | turbodaniel | minerale: says i gotta specify another option first acdtrux or somehting |
| 21:13.11 | whumsch0r | abrotman Z9200 |
| 21:13.11 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:13.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 21:13.28 | jelly-home | whumsch0r: amd cpu? |
| 21:13.39 | whumsch0r | no. pentium M |
| 21:13.45 | utab | I know this is not a library forum but can someone help me to install boost libraries on debian, aptitude finds just library for python libboost-devel and others are not in the aptitude list |
| 21:13.47 | whumsch0r | on an centrino chipset |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | whumsch0r: -386 or -686 ? |
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| 21:13.54 | radulovity | hi! |
| 21:13.57 | whumsch0r | 686 |
| 21:14.18 | abrotman | utab: apt-cache search libboost |
| 21:14.19 | radulovity | What is the equialent for CTRL_C in bash scripting? |
| 21:14.27 | jelly-home | whumsch0r: yeah, got it. well, try upgrading the kernel first anyway just to be sure |
| 21:14.29 | abrotman | utab: which version of debian ? |
| 21:14.38 | abrotman | radulovity: #bash .. but i think break |
| 21:15.01 | amphi | whumsch0r: what cpufreq governor is used on AC? |
| 21:15.08 | radulovity | abrotman: do you known bash programming? |
| 21:15.09 | whumsch0r | jelly-home ok... but i already upgraded to the latest kernel available in the apt tree... still getting the prob =/ |
| 21:15.11 | utab | abrotman : etch |
| 21:15.15 | abrotman | radulovity: #bash |
| 21:15.23 | abrotman | !find libboost etch |
| 21:15.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libboost' (3 of 20): (/usr/lib/libboost_thread-gcc-mt-1_33_1.so.1.33.1) in libs/libboost-thread1.33.1 ;; (/usr/lib/libboost_iostreams-gcc-mt-1_33_1.so.1.33.1) in libs/libboost-iostreams1.33.1 ;; (/usr/lib/{libboost_iostreams-gcc-mt-1_33_1.so|libboost_iostreams.so}) in libdevel/libboost-iostreams-dev. |
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| 21:15.43 | radulovity | abrotman: can i make query to you ? |
| 21:15.43 | snowbird | ghost linux iso cool |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | radulovity: nope .. either keep it in #debian or try #bash |
| 21:16.05 | radulovity | abrotman: tnx :) |
| 21:16.11 | whumsch0r | amphi good question... don't know exactly =/... if it help something i tried out several power saving daemons like powernowd and powersaved and so on =/... same prob |
| 21:16.23 | curt_ | hehe |
| 21:16.39 | Cyis | snowbird: is it bootable? |
| 21:16.40 | turbodaniel | what do i do when tar gives me the error specify an -Acdtrux option |
| 21:16.49 | snowbird | i think so |
| 21:16.55 | snowbird | sorceforge has it |
| 21:17.06 | utab | turbodaniel : specify options ? |
| 21:17.18 | utab | turbodaniel: what is your problem |
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| 21:17.39 | snowbird | cyis tell me if it is not near a burner |
| 21:17.41 | Cyis | bootable g4l ISOs would be terribly handy |
| 21:17.53 | snowbird | true |
| 21:18.01 | amphi | whumsch0r: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/scaling_governor IIRC |
| 21:18.02 | Cyis | let me download the iso and give it a burn :) |
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| 21:18.22 | snowbird | kk thanks |
| 21:18.24 | turbodaniel | i do tar -zkvf filename.tar.gz and it doesnt work |
| 21:18.29 | mfrisch | whats wrong with partimage? |
| 21:18.31 | amphi | whumsch0r: you don't really need those daemons IMHO - just use the ondemand or conservative governors |
| 21:18.39 | edwards | hi, what do you think about this article: http://wiki.linux.edu/doku.php?id=chroot |
| 21:18.47 | edwards | chroot "hack" |
| 21:18.58 | Cyis | I haven't test'd the CDRW on this laptop yet anyway... my SATA DVDRW is busy at the moment burning my TiVo downloads |
| 21:19.09 | utab | turbodaniel: what is k, why do you use that for |
| 21:19.19 | utab | turbodaniel: the option -k |
| 21:19.21 | Azar | isn't that interesting that _all_ Lilo-Crash-Rescue-HowTo searches on google lead to pages that _all_ say: The LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO has been removed for review -- is that grub hostile takeover? |
| 21:19.33 | snowbird | thats ok il wait |
| 21:19.36 | abrotman | Azar: or they were broken .. |
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| 21:19.51 | Azar | abrotman: hi, well you got a point |
| 21:19.53 | whumsch0r | amphi ok... you think that the governor is making all the trouble? i will give it a try to remove the governor then.. |
| 21:19.56 | utab | turbodaniel: try "tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz" |
| 21:20.25 | utab | turbodaniel: -x for extract |
| 21:20.33 | amphi | whumsch0r: if the governor is performance, it will keep things hot ;) |
| 21:20.49 | utab | turbodaniel: man tar solves your problem |
| 21:20.53 | snowbird | chrisy try the lap top if it works fine if not small cd |
| 21:21.13 | utab | turbodaniel: "man tar" check simple examples |
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| 21:21.44 | turbodaniel | worked thx |
| 21:21.59 | Cyis | edwards: why would you run a chroot within a chroot to begin with? |
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| 21:22.07 | minerale | is there any package with which I can do quick and dirty benchmarking? |
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| 21:22.59 | utab | turbodaniel: use the <user: your message> format user is the user you would like to write to |
| 21:23.09 | snowbird | chris u dvd free yet? |
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| 21:23.32 | ZagrebA | Hello i have a problem with my pptp connection to relakks.com. When i run pon relakks it connects fine but after a minute the connection is lost. I've pasted the log at http://www.pastebin.ca/315748 |
| 21:23.33 | Cyis | snowbird: Nope... but CDRW is burning away right now |
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| 21:23.42 | snowbird | sweet |
| 21:23.43 | whumsch0r | amphi ok, thanks! i'll try it.. if it doesn't help i will seek you again ;D |
| 21:23.44 | whumsch0r | bye then |
| 21:24.10 | snowbird | chris k3b? |
| 21:24.26 | turbodaniel | after i unzipped the archive, how do i know which file wil install the program? |
| 21:24.35 | Cyis | I'm glad I wrote my 'gendvd' script to decrypt, encode and build the DVD FS for all my TiVo videos... now it's just fire n forget... change the disks when the drive ejects |
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| 21:25.04 | minerale | !find benchmark |
| 21:25.05 | psycodad | argh. bootcd seems to be broken in etch since a few days..especially bootcd2disk.. |
| 21:25.12 | Cyis | snowbird: no... I run a Gnome desktop |
| 21:25.12 | snowbird | i dont got tivo |
| 21:25.18 | minerale | !tell minerale about benchmarking |
| 21:25.19 | snowbird | kk |
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| 21:25.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'benchmark' (6 of 44): (/usr/lib/libbenchmark.a) in devel/boinc-dev ;; (/usr/bin/tablix2_benchmark) in misc/tablix2 ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/benchmark.rb) in libs/libruby1.8 ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.9/benchmark.rb) in libs/libruby1.9 ;; (/usr/lib/hardinfo/modules/benchmark.so) in x11/hardinfo ;; (/usr/share/doc/qdbm-doc/benchmark.pdf.gz) in doc/qdbm-doc. |
| 21:25.24 | Cyis | snowbird: I've got two tivo DVRs here at home... |
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| 21:25.33 | snowbird | sweet |
| 21:26.08 | Cyis | hm... looking at the burned cd contents... appears to have a ramdisk file... not the best organization of the data on the disk |
| 21:26.20 | snowbird | yeah |
| 21:26.39 | Cyis | guess I can go guinea pig my wife's WinXP box to test bootablity :) |
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| 21:26.56 | utab | turbodaniel: *.deb, dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 21:26.57 | mfrisch | Cyis: whats wrong with partimage? use sysrescue cd |
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| 21:30.11 | minerale | abrotman: I installed apt-build but when I try to use it I get an error: Failed to fetch ... Size mismatch |
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| 21:30.23 | abrotman | get a new mirror |
| 21:30.45 | ZagrebA | Hello i have a problem with my pptp connection to relakks.com. When i run pon relakks it connects fine but after a minute the connection is lost. I've pasted the log at http://www.pastebin.ca/315748 |
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| 21:33.06 | snowbird | cyIs yeah did ghost work? |
| 21:33.41 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: does it actually work during that minute, can you access anything through it? |
| 21:33.50 | snowbird | cyis |
| 21:33.51 | Cyis | snowbird: decided not to reboot my wife's computer to test it... she got a lil mad last time I used her computer to test cause I didn't restart everything she had running... I'll try in a bit under VMware |
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| 21:34.32 | st_iron | hello |
| 21:34.35 | snowbird | kk cyis alexfreedman made xp iso burner runs better than win tools |
| 21:34.50 | mfrisch | Cyis: I think the ultimate boot cd has g4l |
| 21:34.55 | Cyis | I have it burn'd already... that's not a problem |
| 21:35.03 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: yes i can |
| 21:35.07 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: also, this part is rather suspicious: Sent 588488221 bytes, received 7771 bytes. ... I strongly suspect you didn't really sent 500MB during those 57 seconds |
| 21:35.09 | Cyis | mfrisch: ultimate boot cd? |
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| 21:35.25 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: yes i find that wierd to |
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| 21:36.00 | geoaxis | hellp people |
| 21:36.08 | Xorm | help what? |
| 21:36.08 | snowbird | time to eat wife on strike its sat |
| 21:36.17 | geoaxis | which channel for debian chat |
| 21:36.19 | mfrisch | Cyis: is a rescue cd with MANY tools from disk to network; most of it is floppy images all bootable through the cd's menus |
| 21:36.22 | Xorm | ..... |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about away |
| 21:36.26 | Supaplex | !tell geoaxis -about ask |
| 21:36.32 | Cyis | my wife's out doing the grocery shopping... when she gets back we're going to buy her a laptop |
| 21:36.36 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: Do you have ant ideas on this? |
| 21:36.36 | streuner | geoaxis: /topic |
| 21:36.57 | Kuko | !tell me about netcat |
| 21:37.11 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: hm, not really. I've setup a pptpd once and can connect to it with pptp, it mostly worked. |
| 21:37.16 | Supaplex | Kuko: just /msg the bot =) |
| 21:37.23 | Kuko | whoops >_> |
| 21:37.23 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: damn |
| 21:37.37 | Cyis | mfrisch: ah... yeah I usually make my own boot cd images for BIOS and firmward upgrades since almost none of my machine have floppy drives |
| 21:37.38 | geoaxis | Supaplex : question is , which channle for debian-chat , offtopic |
| 21:37.40 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: which kernel are you using, btw? |
| 21:37.50 | abrotman | geoaxis: huh ? |
| 21:37.50 | snowbird | cyis linux one? |
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| 21:37.54 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 21:37.56 | Supaplex | geoaxis: #debian-offtopic iirc |
| 21:38.05 | abrotman | geoaxis: if you want to talk about debian .. this is the channel |
| 21:38.14 | Cyis | snowbird: not for BIOS/firmware... those I usually just throw a DOS6 boot image on |
| 21:38.30 | snowbird | kk |
| 21:38.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:38.44 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: could be a 64bit only error I guess, can you try from a 32bit machine (a livecd or something)? |
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| 21:38.52 | geoaxis | Supaplex ? |
| 21:38.59 | mfrisch | Cyis: its got freedos for bios update plus a couple of "universal" bios tools. Sysrescue cd is 140 or so megs and can be made into a dvd with backup on disk |
| 21:38.59 | Cyis | snowbird: although some Dell PowerEdge servers I could upgrade the bios/firmware from Linux while it was running |
| 21:39.04 | ZagrebA | jelly-home: ye |
| 21:39.08 | geoaxis | shall I complete the loop |
| 21:39.14 | snowbird | i see |
| 21:39.59 | streuner | geoaxis: ask a debian question and we are all glad ;-) |
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| 21:40.08 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: I guess you have reasons for using an anonymizing service, so running an x86_64 distro might be secondary... if it works on 32bit you can always install 32bit debian. |
| 21:40.15 | Cyis | only thing I really hate about this laptop is having tou use ndiswrapper for the wifi card driver |
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| 21:40.32 | Cyis | but being as I didn't pick it out I can't complain |
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| 21:41.25 | jelly-home | ZagrebA: also, greetings from the city mentioned in your nick :-) |
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| 21:42.44 | Supaplex | Cyis: unless you can pawn it off on flebay and use something better supported. :) |
| 21:42.44 | Cyis | Supaplex: internal WLAN card... company laptop |
| 21:43.11 | Cyis | atleast it's dual core with 1GB RAM :) |
| 21:43.17 | snowbird | cool |
| 21:43.17 | Supaplex | Cyis: depends on the type of internal, but yea, company laptop. :p |
| 21:43.42 | Cyis | Supaplex: when I buy my own laptop I'll be more picky about the hardware selection |
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| 21:44.01 | mfrisch | Cyis: your company will let you put linux on ? |
| 21:44.12 | Cyis | mfrisch: everyone on my floor of the office runs Linux |
| 21:44.21 | mfrisch | rare |
| 21:44.25 | Cyis | only ones that run Windows are the sales droids |
| 21:44.36 | abrotman | they're the smart ones! |
| 21:44.38 | Cyis | mfrisch: software development company that builds on the Debian OS |
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| 21:45.46 | stoned | I recently started building systems for people |
| 21:45.46 | Cyis | we're currently making sure our code will run on Etch... Sarge has been the default so far |
| 21:46.05 | stoned | I try to convince my clients to use linux |
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| 21:46.25 | stoned | so far I've built 4 windows gaming machines, and one debian machine |
| 21:47.07 | geoaxis | what would be one thing about debian which needs improvement in your opnion? |
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| 21:47.19 | snowbird | xorg |
| 21:47.28 | stoned | release cycles, and about 4000 more people volunterring/contributing |
| 21:47.29 | geoaxis | (one thing thats top on your list) |
| 21:47.30 | Cyis | hmm... wonder if I have some industrial strength velcro left to mount this AP router on the side of the cabinet |
| 21:47.40 | stoned | thats on MY list @ top |
| 21:47.46 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with xorg ? |
| 21:48.02 | geoaxis | stoned : my question was more on the lines of |
| 21:48.15 | abrotman | wait .. why am i asking the opinion of someone that can barely speak english |
| 21:48.15 | stoned | "improvements about debian" |
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| 21:48.22 | snowbird | sarge x was more stable |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | i want slower release cycles! |
| 21:48.25 | stoned | I only replied to what was asked :) |
| 21:48.29 | abrotman | snowbird: so go back to it |
| 21:48.31 | delire | abrotman: agreed |
| 21:48.36 | snowbird | i like etch |
| 21:48.42 | geoaxis | , i am a crazy human , who wants to contribute to debian for free , what is some thing worth contributiong to |
| 21:48.45 | abrotman | faster release cycles are for bleeding edge tards |
| 21:48.53 | stoned | abrotman, when did I say faster? |
| 21:48.57 | abrotman | stoned: you didn't |
| 21:49.03 | stoned | great, so we have that established |
| 21:49.10 | abrotman | you didn't specify anyhting .. you were vague as usual |
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| 21:49.14 | stoned | abrotman, I agree with you however |
| 21:49.24 | stoned | abrotman, yeah, thats me :) |
| 21:49.25 | Cyis | you want faster release cycles use Ubuntu or Fedora Core... want stable release cycles use Debian |
| 21:49.49 | stoned | I don't think I'd ever use any linux other than stable debian on my servers |
| 21:50.08 | stoned | unless there was a special need for it |
| 21:50.22 | Cyis | co-workers were laughing on our internal news group how Ubuntu doesn't actually fix anything... they hack around it and leave it for someone else to fix |
| 21:50.25 | stoned | s/it/sometihng else |
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| 21:50.55 | abrotman | geoaxis: you can write man pages |
| 21:51.01 | Supaplex | that's what backporting is for :) well, I have an etch box for an nfs server but it's mainly to catch dumps for tape backup. |
| 21:51.12 | abrotman | http://qa.debian.org/ |
| 21:51.26 | mfrisch | Cyis: if they keep that up they will be the next microsoft |
| 21:51.47 | stoned | they are alredy the MS of linux man |
| 21:51.50 | stoned | can you deny that |
| 21:51.59 | abrotman | it's also OT in #debian |
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| 21:52.18 | stoned | debian discussion is OT in debian |
| 21:52.27 | stoned | great |
| 21:52.32 | mfrisch | stoned: RH wants to be suse has a big market in Europe |
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| 21:52.53 | stoned | mfrisch, you don't want the OT police down your throat |
| 21:52.55 | stoned | :) |
| 21:53.09 | snowbird | hugs debian box |
| 21:53.16 | snowbird | suse is dumpster |
| 21:53.38 | mfrisch | snowbird: it sucked when it was free |
| 21:53.38 | abrotman | stoned: you're talking about ubuntu .. not debian |
| 21:53.48 | stoned | abrotman, I'm not talking about anything... |
| 21:54.17 | Kuko | Debian is the debian of debian. There everyones happy no one can deny it |
| 21:54.23 | stoned | word |
| 21:54.31 | Supaplex | OO |
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| 21:55.29 | curt_ | Supaplex, what does gimp3 have that 2.2 doesn't? |
| 21:55.34 | delire | for so many years in this channel people have continued to pointlessly rag on other distributions. |
| 21:55.38 | delire | why pointless? because you're in #debian FFS. you're not convincing anyone. you've clearly already made your choices. |
| 21:56.04 | Supaplex | curt_: I was just hoping? :o} |
| 21:56.10 | Kuko | meh if you go into any other channel they do the same |
| 21:56.16 | Kuko | But i dont rag on other dists since i use more then one |
| 21:56.27 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 21:56.27 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 21:56.32 | curt_ | Supaplex, I was wondering... |
| 21:56.33 | Supaplex | case closed. |
| 21:56.35 | delire | there done ;) |
| 21:56.39 | Kuko | !end distro war |
| 21:56.41 | Kuko | >_> |
| 21:57.13 | stoned | <stoned> they are alredy the MS of linux man |
| 21:57.18 | stoned | is this what has your panties in a knot |
| 21:57.26 | stoned | pretend I never said this one line |
| 21:57.38 | delire | stoned: it would be easier if you didn't keep saying it. |
| 21:57.38 | stoned | it won't kill ya'll to let go already... |
| 21:57.41 | Cyis | there we go... got the laptop sitting over in the corner and using the full keyboard and monitor |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | stoned: then stop freaking saying it ... |
| 21:58.17 | stoned | blow me |
| 21:58.35 | Kuko | !dpkg blow stoned |
| 21:58.37 | stoned | I'm gonna go look at hardware online, have fun |
| 21:58.45 | Supaplex | !mute stoned |
| 21:58.47 | mfrisch | oh my he went there |
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| 21:59.08 | Kuko | zomg who went where? |
| 21:59.31 | Supaplex | the end of the internet. boring place. |
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| 22:03.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 22:03.33 | HardDisk_WP | what package do i have to install to turn KDE 3.3 to german instead of english? |
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| 22:04.12 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:04.43 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 22:05.06 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: an additional package, languages or such |
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| 22:06.18 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, and how do i get a user restricted so he can only run wine and wirte in /home? |
| 22:06.29 | abrotman | why would you do that ? |
| 22:06.29 | streuner | !info kde-i18n-de |
| 22:06.32 | dpkg | kde-i18n-de: (German (de) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 23294 kB, Installed size: 43884 kB |
| 22:06.45 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i have to configure a idiot-safe laptop |
| 22:06.52 | abrotman | with wine? |
| 22:06.56 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: ^^^^ |
| 22:07.04 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i lead a robotiocs course in school, and the pupils are hax0rs... |
| 22:07.13 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i need wine to run the programming app |
| 22:07.13 | delire | hehe |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | wtf does this have to do with wine ? |
| 22:07.46 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, there is no port of this app for linux... |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | so use windows ? |
| 22:07.58 | HardDisk_WP | can't |
| 22:08.01 | HardDisk_WP | no licenses |
| 22:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | and windows sucks |
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| 22:08.17 | abrotman | okay .. so just don't give them the root password |
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| 22:09.10 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, this is enough to have a safe system? w00t |
| 22:09.13 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 22:09.26 | delire | HardDisk_WP: as a $USER they won't be able to write outside of ~/ |
| 22:09.31 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: uhm .. if they're l33t tards .. they're going to find a way to screw it up anyways |
| 22:09.36 | jelly-home | set up some reasonable quota, lock in /tmp, /var/tmp and set their own $TMPDIR, confirm that required apps work with this setup |
| 22:10.04 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, they are not 1337 enough to hack the boot password...and they dont have that much money to break the laptop... |
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| 22:10.11 | jelly-home | delire: except in a number of dirs that are world writable by default |
| 22:10.13 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: did you ever an internet cafe in .de? ;-) |
| 22:10.16 | Kuko | is there anyway to view your lvm setup |
| 22:10.27 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: +ever |
| 22:10.27 | delire | HardDisk_WP: also disable access to the bios and ensure the machines don't already boot from CD/DVD or USB devices. |
| 22:10.54 | HardDisk_WP | streuner, yay. one had a debian...it was real h4x0rsafe |
| 22:10.59 | HardDisk_WP | delire, done |
| 22:11.04 | delire | jelly-home: yes, correct.. |
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| 22:11.08 | HardDisk_WP | btw, any way to deinstall kde-games?? |
| 22:11.14 | HardDisk_WP | kde depends on them -.- |
| 22:11.18 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: so you know those 'Spielothek' cafes? |
| 22:11.33 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: you don't need the "kde" metapackage anyway |
| 22:11.33 | jetscreamer | wtf is this avahi crap, anyway, and why does almost * depend on it |
| 22:11.39 | ChaosR | HardDisk_WP: remove them manually than run apt-get |
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| 22:11.46 | jelly-home | ChaosR: nooo |
| 22:11.56 | ChaosR | it's evil but should work |
| 22:12.04 | HardDisk_WP | streuner, no...i only was often in one in munich |
| 22:12.10 | jelly-home | ChaosR: no need for that and it'll result in the same thing in the end |
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| 22:12.26 | jelly-home | ChaosR: except for apt being broken in the meantime |
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| 22:12.45 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: i think they have a 'safe' concept'. |
| 22:12.50 | ChaosR | jelly-home: I've removed evil packages like that a lot of times |
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| 22:13.01 | HardDisk_WP | streuner, yay |
| 22:13.07 | neowolf | anyone know why the gnome menu editor doesn't work on etch? |
| 22:13.08 | pe3r | hey, i installed smp, how can i tell if i successfully installed it? |
| 22:13.15 | jelly-home | ChaosR: kde-games is not evil, and kde is not a real package |
| 22:13.23 | abrotman | pe3r: uname -a |
| 22:13.30 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: seems its LFS, i didn't see any rpm or dpkg file there... |
| 22:13.36 | ChaosR | jelly-home: that's true |
| 22:13.43 | neowolf | pe3r, dpkg -l | grep smp |
| 22:13.52 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:13.54 | ChaosR | <ChaosR> Where can I find the Applications menu configuration file, because the edit menus is broken |
| 22:14.01 | ofer0 | OpenSSH question: How do you allow a certain user to connect from specific range of IP addresses? |
| 22:14.02 | ChaosR | they won't answer in ##gnome |
| 22:14.05 | pe3r | neowolf, im saying, how can i see both of its load, etc |
| 22:14.12 | jetscreamer | ChaosR: try update-menus maybe |
| 22:14.14 | abrotman | atop |
| 22:14.19 | Jauis | Hi, I am using debian sarge, but I don't have if it is a bug, but using LCAP if I remove lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE, all '*' marks are hidden, any idea what's wrong? |
| 22:14.21 | abrotman | which i told you hours ago |
| 22:14.28 | jetscreamer | or just top |
| 22:14.30 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: or they just hide those files there, but you cannot install or boot with NOTHING, its fucked up if you need to do something there ... ;-) |
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| 22:14.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: atop requires kernel patches to make full use of it, doesn't it? |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: NFC .. but i don't think the top in sarge shows two CPUs |
| 22:15.12 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 22:15.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: it is VERY nice once you get it going though |
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| 22:15.35 | ChaosR | jetscreamer: how would that work? |
| 22:15.43 | jetscreamer | just type it |
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| 22:15.47 | jetscreamer | in an xterm |
| 22:16.01 | ChaosR | doesn't work |
| 22:16.06 | jetscreamer | ah well |
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| 22:16.15 | ChaosR | doesn't do anything noteable* |
| 22:16.16 | Supaplex | humm why is xsane reportting my scanner is busy? I've cycled power+usb, but no change. |
| 22:16.19 | jetscreamer | so WTF is avahi |
| 22:16.34 | jetscreamer | not important just curious |
| 22:16.38 | Jauis | any idea if it is a bug?? |
| 22:16.38 | Supaplex | !avahi |
| 22:16.42 | Jauis | I am using debian sarge, but I don't have if it is a bug, but using LCAP if I remove lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE, all '*' marks are hidden, any idea what's wrong? |
| 22:16.49 | delire | streuner: agreed, they seem to lock down public machines heavily in .de; hacking is practically a national sport in Germany. |
| 22:16.50 | ChaosR | I want to edit it manually |
| 22:16.51 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: service discovery? |
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| 22:16.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: zeroconf IIRC |
| 22:17.02 | Kuko | !avahi |
| 22:17.03 | jetscreamer | i think i hate it |
| 22:17.12 | abrotman | !info libavahi etch |
| 22:17.16 | ChaosR | dpkg: tell me about gnome |
| 22:17.28 | jetscreamer | gnome is just a metapackage |
| 22:17.44 | jetscreamer | there's #gnome on irc.gimp.org i think |
| 22:18.04 | ChaosR | jetscreamer: where do they store the menus file |
| 22:18.13 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:18.18 | ChaosR | or isn't there any? |
| 22:18.28 | abrotman | !menu |
| 22:18.28 | dpkg | menu is probably the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 22:18.31 | jetscreamer | that's not easy to answer esp since i forget |
| 22:18.55 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/menu/something is one i 'think' |
| 22:19.00 | ChaosR | thanks abrotman |
| 22:19.59 | jetscreamer | /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg |
| 22:20.05 | HardDisk_WP | !etch? |
| 22:20.05 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 22:21.09 | jetscreamer | gaaah! libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-qt3-1 |
| 22:21.27 | jetscreamer | i might have to start burning cd's manually |
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| 22:22.24 | PF | How does one determine what package is nslookup is in? |
| 22:22.56 | abrotman | !tell PF about search |
| 22:23.01 | delire | PF: apt-cache search is probably your fastest means. |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | apt-file search! |
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| 22:23.16 | ChaosR | does anybody know a good menu editor? |
| 22:23.17 | delire | better |
| 22:23.32 | ChaosR | GNOME Applications menu editor* |
| 22:23.42 | PF | Thank's abrotman and delire |
| 22:23.52 | jetscreamer | you can just drag&drop the gnome ones |
| 22:23.55 | abchirk | my kaffeine is crashing on every start with DVB-T could i install a eaerlier version through apt or else? Because in the moment i am using sid :( |
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| 22:24.03 | jetscreamer | they get updated by menu-methods though |
| 22:24.05 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 22:25.00 | delire | PF: you can also 'dpkg -S /path/to/a/file' to see what package provides 'file', though this is slow. |
| 22:25.09 | h3sp4wn | abchirk: aptitude install kaffeine/testing (presuming you have testing and unstable in sources.list) but that also presumes that it is kaffeine that is causing the problem - more likely to be something it uses |
| 22:25.15 | abrotman | delire: if you have it installed |
| 22:25.25 | delire | abrotman: correct ;) |
| 22:26.13 | abchirk | hm yes h3sp4wn thats why i want ot install an older version not testing from kaffeine :) |
| 22:26.17 | abrotman | delire: duh :) |
| 22:26.28 | SerajewelKS | which GTK+ jabber client would you all recommend? |
| 22:27.04 | h3sp4wn | abchirk: does it have a bug in testing ? maybe try snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:27.08 | jetscreamer | heh somebody named their company 'OEM' |
| 22:27.12 | ChaosR | which one does ubuntu use, does anybody know? |
| 22:27.25 | h3sp4wn | abchirk: I would expect it to be xine or something else though that has the bug |
| 22:27.27 | abchirk | mh h3sp4wn i dotn know ;) |
| 22:28.04 | ChaosR | !menu-editor |
| 22:28.08 | mfrisch | SerajewelKS: I allways liked psi its not gtk |
| 22:28.12 | delire | SerajewelKS: gaim uses gtk2 i think. |
| 22:29.07 | abrotman | gaim in etch/sid do |
| 22:29.19 | delire | SerajewelKS: see the exit sig above for homepage/screenshots. |
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| 22:29.41 | SerajewelKS | delire: i use gaim but i don't like it for jabber |
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| 22:30.08 | delire | SerajewelKS: right. it's the only one i've ever tried. |
| 22:30.30 | delire | not that i'm big on jabber. |
| 22:31.24 | delire | SerajewelKS: apt tells me of: gabber2 - A GNOME Jabber client and gossip - friendly Jabber client for GNOME |
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| 22:32.24 | SerajewelKS | delire: just tried that, not really what i'm looking for either, shrug |
| 22:32.40 | SerajewelKS | gajim is the closest one i've found but it has some really annoying bugs |
| 22:32.51 | SurfnKid | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230075617970 |
| 22:33.04 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: if i wasn't on gnome i might try that one |
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| 22:34.48 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna nuke both of my linux boxes and reinstall ... die cruft, die |
| 22:34.58 | SerajewelKS | gossip looks good |
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| 22:36.19 | SerajewelKS | i think the reason i didn't like gossip is it won't let me set the priority per account |
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| 22:37.04 | usr13 | what is the configuration tool for X server? |
| 22:37.11 | SerajewelKS | !drxx |
| 22:37.11 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 22:37.20 | usr13 | We seem to have broken... ok thx |
| 22:37.29 | neowolf | usr13, dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 22:37.36 | SerajewelKS | !lose neowolf |
| 22:37.36 | dpkg | neowolf: You Lose. |
| 22:37.38 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 22:37.43 | neowolf | :( lol |
| 22:37.44 | usr13 | neowolf: yea, thanks |
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| 22:37.55 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 22:38.05 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 22:38.16 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: unbeliever! |
| 22:38.36 | neowolf | xorg.conf is my most despited file |
| 22:38.44 | jetscreamer | despited? |
| 22:38.56 | jelly-home | s/t/s/ |
| 22:38.58 | neowolf | er, hated |
| 22:39.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 22:39.19 | jetscreamer | it was for me too but after a while it's easy as heck |
| 22:39.34 | jetscreamer | it's not very readable.. but when you get it that way |
| 22:39.38 | jetscreamer | viola! |
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| 22:40.06 | jelly-home | is a musical instrument! |
| 22:40.08 | neowolf | imo, it should be in xml |
| 22:40.09 | toxic_ | Does anyone know if etherwake (wake on lan) works over the internet (via router) ? |
| 22:41.24 | abrotman | you mean barring unblocked ports/protocols ? |
| 22:41.44 | jetscreamer | if you play a viola you're a violist |
| 22:41.48 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: you meant voilà |
| 22:42.11 | jetscreamer | i stil don't know how to type extended ascii |
| 22:42.36 | jelly-home | kcharmap does it for me |
| 22:42.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~wei/viola/violaHome.html |
| 22:42.36 | jelly-home | er, kcharselect |
| 22:42.41 | jetscreamer | webbrowser |
| 22:42.44 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 22:43.19 | jetscreamer | old btw |
| 22:43.38 | jelly-home | any page referring to Xwindows as no merit whatsoever in my nitpicky eyes |
| 22:43.46 | toxic_ | Does > EtherWake work via a router? |
| 22:43.46 | jelly-home | Has |
| 22:44.18 | jelly-home | http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/voila.html |
| 22:44.45 | jetscreamer | 224.0.0.(iforgot the last octet) ... that avahi crap keeps wanting to connect to that ip when i boot my computer |
| 22:44.53 | jelly-home | toxic_: I _think_ not |
| 22:45.03 | toxic_ | jelly-home: Sad, ok thanks |
| 22:45.14 | jelly-home | toxic_: yeah, only same eth. segment |
| 22:45.28 | jetscreamer | that's not reserved is it, 224.x.x.x, it's public ip eh? |
| 22:45.42 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: 224.0.0.13, a multicast address |
| 22:46.21 | jetscreamer | is that good or what? like don't worry be happy, or time to kill the hacker |
| 22:46.26 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: that's some sort of automatic dns configuration used by Apple. Look up zeroconf or Rendezvous |
| 22:46.39 | jetscreamer | yeah there was something about apple too |
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| 22:46.53 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: I think you can ignore it safely |
| 22:47.00 | jetscreamer | and it's like, apple wtf... i saw a mac once |
| 22:47.33 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
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| 22:50.33 | abrotman | HI |
| 22:51.02 | neowolf | i've never realised before how good ephiany is |
| 22:51.07 | neowolf | v.fast |
| 22:51.40 | mfrisch | neowolf: if you want fast try dillo |
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| 22:52.05 | usr13 | I got xserver-xfree86 installed and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but getting error: |
| 22:52.21 | usr13 | "unable to initialize frontend: kde |
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| 22:52.31 | streuner | usr13: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:53.49 | curt_ | flood - watching grub crank in a debootstrap |
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| 22:54.18 | usr13 | streuner: "can't open '1' for reading: no such file or directory" |
| 22:54.43 | usr13 | streuner: tail "can't open '1' for reading: no such file or directory" |
| 22:55.16 | usr13 | streuner: "tail: can't open '1' for reading: no such file or directory" |
| 22:55.18 | streuner | usr13: /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 22:55.30 | CyberGabber | neowolf: I you ever brake your xserver, and need to browse use 'lynx' ( Text-mode WWW Browser ) |
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| 22:56.13 | usr13 | exec: No such file or directory |
| 22:56.36 | streuner | usr13: what "kind" of irc-client do you use? |
| 22:56.37 | jawee | i1.tinypic.com/3y67qjc.png -- how can I get something like that? |
| 22:56.54 | usr13 | sorry, I forgot to strip off the / |
| 22:57.07 | Miracle-fu | How can I increase my command line screen resolution to 1024x768 so that I can use lynx at that resolution instead of 640x480? |
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| 22:57.20 | usr13 | But there appears to be a syntax error. |
| 22:57.29 | usr13 | streuner: irssi |
| 22:57.40 | neowolf | miracle-fu, append vga=791 to the end of your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:58.00 | Miracle-fu | thanks, neo |
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| 23:00.23 | usr13 | It says: "exec: usage: exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirection ...] |
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| 23:04.48 | jacques | I am being forced to change root password every time I login as root - how can I fix this? |
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| 23:06.13 | Thunderguy | Hey I'm trying to compile a kernel module for an ATI card, but my kernel is compiled with gcc-4.0 and the thing compiles as 4.1, is there a variable I could use before calling 'make' to compile it under 4.0 instead of 4.1 gcc? |
| 23:06.13 | CyberGabber | jacques: Are you running from a live-cd ? |
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| 23:06.43 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 23:06.43 | dpkg | fglrx is probably add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 23:07.01 | jacques | CyberGabber, I am running inside qemu (emulator) |
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| 23:08.07 | mfrisch | jacques: try a real install |
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| 23:08.34 | jacques | mfrisch, huh? what makes my install not "real"? |
| 23:09.12 | mfrisch | jacques: it is emulated by design |
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| 23:09.41 | jacques | I need to run it inside the emulator - I am running the arm dist on a x86 |
| 23:09.49 | jelly-home | jacques: what is the exact error you get? |
| 23:09.58 | jelly-home | s/error/message/ |
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| 23:10.49 | jacques | jelly-home, "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" |
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| 23:12.06 | jelly-home | jacques: hm, ok. do you get a shell after you change it? |
| 23:12.15 | jacques | jelly-home, yes |
| 23:12.30 | jelly-home | jacques: is the root fs maybe mounted ro? |
| 23:13.03 | jacques | jelly-home, nope, and I can write to it |
| 23:13.28 | jelly-home | jacques: is the time set up correctly? |
| 23:13.47 | mfrisch | jacques: I did not know qemu did arm |
| 23:14.14 | jelly-home | mfrisch: qemu can emulate a lot of architectures |
| 23:14.21 | CyberGabber | jacques: Are you using the 'su' command ? |
| 23:14.35 | jacques | jelly-home, not sure if it's completely "correct" but I have set the date properly |
| 23:14.37 | jelly-home | mfrisch: arm, mips, ppc, sparc |
| 23:14.46 | mfrisch | hhhm |
| 23:14.55 | jacques | CyberGabber, I get same behavior with su and login on console as root |
| 23:15.04 | jelly-home | jacques: yeah, that's what I meant. It doesn't do anything funny. |
| 23:15.09 | CLucas | does anyone know if a usb/firewire connection would be a bottleneck if transferring files from an external raid0 box? |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | depends on the speed of the usb/firewire |
| 23:15.28 | jacques | one thing which may be relevant is qemu or the kernel I am using apparently does not emulate a RTC |
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| 23:15.54 | CLucas | abrotman: firewire 400? |
| 23:15.56 | jacques | so debian complains when it boots about being unable to access the RTC through "any known method" or somesuch |
| 23:16.01 | abrotman | CLucas: is it running slowly ? |
| 23:16.13 | CLucas | no im just considering making a raid0 box |
| 23:16.21 | amphi | jacques: qemu doesn't like cpu freq scaling, FWIW |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | RAID0 sucks |
| 23:16.33 | CyberGabber | Qemu does : ARM little endian (arm) + ARM big endian (armeb) |
| 23:16.54 | jacques | amphi, darn I was hoping they'd fixed that by now (last time I did this was late 2005) |
| 23:17.16 | jacques | amphi, that might explain why my in-emulator clock gets to far off so fast |
| 23:17.46 | amphi | jacques: I just have ntp sync every couple of seconds with the host ;) |
| 23:18.04 | amphi | jacques: keeps things moreorless sane ;) |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | Cannot start in firehose mode! |
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| 23:18.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: raid5 sucks too! |
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| 23:18.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: not nearly as bad as RAID0 |
| 23:19.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: hey, at least with raid0 you don't fool yourself |
| 23:19.13 | jacques | amphi, :-) |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: RAID5 is way better than RAID0 |
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| 23:19.37 | jacques | historically all my login problems have been eventually traced to PAM |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | you mean .. the Pluggable Authentication Module?!?! |
| 23:20.02 | jacques | yes |
| 23:20.11 | abrotman | that was sarcasm |
| 23:20.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: don't forget "architecture" after that |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:20.27 | CyberGabber | jacques: Maybe this is the situation (watch row 5 ) on http://paste-it.net/941 |
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| 23:20.35 | jelly-home | architecture implies design though |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | doesn't have to be good design ... |
| 23:22.15 | jacques | CyberGabber, yeah it looks like that for me (have only seen it on root tho - let me try another user) |
| 23:22.57 | jacques | hmmm, it seems to have stopped doing it |
| 23:23.12 | jacques | maybe I had to set the clock, then change the password once... |
| 23:23.18 | jacques | tho I thought I had tried that before |
| 23:23.31 | mfrisch | jacques: whats it saying in the logs |
| 23:23.56 | jelly-home | jacques: maybe it'll happen again on next reboot if you're lucky ;-) |
| 23:24.39 | jacques | jelly-home, it almost certainly will since clock is messed up on boot (epoch +0) |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | install NTP |
| 23:24.57 | jelly-home | jacques: so add some ntpdate goodness at boot time |
| 23:25.18 | jacques | jelly-home, yeah good idea |
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| 23:25.34 | jacques | mfrisch, it's saying this: Jan 7 09:17:01 qemuarm CRON[5742]: (pam_unix) expired password for user root (root enforced) |
| 23:26.06 | jacques | I guess pam thinks the password is expired |
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| 23:26.35 | jelly-home | jacques: do you have shadow? |
| 23:26.53 | jacques | yeah, there is a shadow file which is updated when I change passwords |
| 23:27.15 | jelly-home | jacques: usermod -e 0 <user> should make it the password expire never |
| 23:27.18 | jelly-home | s/it // |
| 23:27.37 | jelly-home | even if the time/date is hosed |
| 23:27.57 | jacques | jelly-home, nice! |
| 23:28.34 | tuv | why is it only rtorrent that's affected by the vm/fs linux bug, among all torrent clients? |
| 23:29.04 | jelly-home | tuv: optimistic thinking: it's too darn fast, better than any other client! |
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| 23:31.07 | tuv | jelly-home, actually it's the only one killing my dsl modem! so it's either too good or too bad for the rest of the world. either way it's a problem |
| 23:31.57 | mfrisch | killing your modem? |
| 23:32.04 | jelly-home | tuv: Use Azureus, make Sun and memory manufacturers happy. |
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| 23:32.42 | tuv | jelly-home, ktorrent seems to do just fine, without satisfying any corporations ;) |
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| 23:33.56 | tuv | mfrisch, i had to reset my modem every 10 min. or i keep getting disconnected |
| 23:34.35 | mfrisch | dsl sucks...my mom uses it do you have filters on your phones |
| 23:34.44 | blondie | dsl is just fine |
| 23:35.10 | tuv | mfrisch, yes, but it's a cordless set that needs only one jack |
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| 23:36.01 | mfrisch | blondie: its got more to go wrong |
| 23:36.19 | tuv | mfrisch, more than what? |
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| 23:37.20 | blondie | if they did cable around here, I'd have both connections |
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| 23:38.37 | mfrisch | tuv I've had stable service with cable, but could be brought down by a bad splitter on the wire, I guess wich dsl you are using. |
| 23:38.40 | flixil | Hello, i know that it's not an official debian package, but is there someone here with 2.6.18 generic debian kernel an nvidia module working ok? Mine freeze after few seconds of a game in full screen mode. Thanks |
| 23:39.27 | mfrisch | blondie: I have relatives in laws that might have to goto sat because they are so remote. |
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| 23:40.06 | blondie | I have never had any problems with my adsl (touch wood) |
| 23:41.45 | mfrisch | I'm thinking about switching to dsl because cable just capped there connections to 768kbx |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | that's a crappy cable company |
| 23:42.04 | abrotman | i think ours is 6Mb |
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| 23:42.08 | Trewas | I used to have a cable modem which really needed a lot of tuning from bittorrent clients to not die constantly. not that it had anything to do with cable modems generally, just that model was piece of crap... too bad my 4-port adsl router has started randomly dying (about once a week) after upgrading to 8/1, worked fine with slower speeds |
| 23:42.20 | n3kl | Anyone know if the prism2 cards are capable of packet injection? |
| 23:42.21 | mfrisch | use to be 4 mbs |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | well .. since comcast advertises that they are so much faster than DSL .. i doubt they'll cap it .. besides we have FIOS in our area |
| 23:43.25 | blondie | I don't like "hardware" adsl routers... so i use debian instead :) |
| 23:43.33 | blondie | seem more reliable under high loads |
| 23:43.45 | mfrisch | abrotman: well this is Time Warner Ohio. Don't think I can get comcast. |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | mfrisch: you're lucky you have tv! |
| 23:44.11 | Jauis | What is the way to install kernel-patches like exec-shield patch? |
| 23:44.11 | rahul | heh |
| 23:44.16 | rahul | A Brot Mann. |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | am not! |
| 23:44.26 | rahul | gingerbread man |
| 23:44.42 | rahul | I get 6Mb, too |
| 23:45.00 | rahul | but I use an independent cable internet provider |
| 23:45.34 | mfrisch | adelphia and rr are the only ones in my market, I think. |
| 23:45.35 | Jauis | What is the way to install kernel-patches like exec-shield patch? |
| 23:45.37 | deadcat_ | karsten: i got a serial cable for $2. returned the one from compusa for $15 |
| 23:45.43 | abrotman | Jauis: ask again |
| 23:45.54 | rahul | oh, 5Mbps, actually. 8Mbps as an upgrade. |
| 23:46.09 | rahul | and no surcharge for not having TV, unlike time warner would do. |
| 23:46.20 | rahul | (I get free basic cable with the building) |
| 23:46.36 | mfrisch | rahul: with who? |
| 23:46.43 | rahul | mfrisch: /whois me :) |
| 23:46.58 | rahul | mfrisch: and it won't be available where you are :) |
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| 23:47.40 | abrotman | mfrisch: no FIOS in your area ? |
| 23:47.55 | jelly-home | Jauis: do you know how to build a custom kernel? |
| 23:48.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: FIOS? |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman | !fios |
| 23:48.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey! |
| 23:48.33 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 23:48.41 | jelly-home | Jauis: check out kernel-package (make-kpkg) |
| 23:48.45 | abrotman | mfrisch: http://www.verizon.net/vonads/fios/default.asp |
| 23:48.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | mfrisch: erm ... http://www22.verizon.com/content/ConsumerFios |
| 23:49.04 | streuner | tarzeau: wbr ;-) |
| 23:49.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried? it's so beautiful: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/music/medieval_cradle.ogg |
| 23:49.15 | tarzeau | streuner: wbr? |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | it's a song ... |
| 23:49.26 | streuner | tarzeau: wb (rude) |
| 23:49.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: did i tell you i fly to istanbul? |
| 23:49.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: but listen to it! |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | to visit family ? |
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| 23:50.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: but you know what's the best? with katja :) |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: to see family ? |
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| 23:50.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, well i'll stay with relatives, but mainly to be with katja |
| 23:50.52 | tuv | mfrisch, the splitter is in the phone path, not the modem. the modem is connected directly |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not come to philly?! |
| 23:51.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: and stay at you? |
| 23:51.18 | Frenetiko | hi,i need to know what´s this channel about....waht country is it! |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | no .. but i'll come down and stay with you in the city :) |
| 23:51.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know the hotel of my aunt is one dollar per night |
| 23:51.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: is she a hooker ? |
| 23:51.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, you retard! |
| 23:51.52 | streuner | Frenetiko: most people are from over the whole world... |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | Frenetiko: this is a channel about Debian |
| 23:52.07 | streuner | Frenetiko: pretty international ;-) |
| 23:52.12 | Frenetiko | [streuner] thank you. |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: nice song |
| 23:52.52 | tuv | anyone from mars |
| 23:52.54 | tuv | ? |
| 23:52.57 | blondie | Ferret: it's about debian of course. |
| 23:52.57 | blondie | erm |
| 23:53.03 | blondie | Frenetiko: it's about debian of course. |
| 23:53.15 | blondie | Ferret: :P |
| 23:53.18 | damosu | Frenetiko, #debian-es |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | tuv: http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/USPA0986?from=search_city |
| 23:53.22 | streuner | tuv: who knows? :-P |
| 23:53.28 | damosu | es una canal español de debian |
| 23:53.29 | mfrisch | tuv my mothers was needing to be constantly reset and they came out and put a filter on the phones and everything has been ok |
| 23:53.31 | Frenetiko | i dont know whats that |
| 23:53.31 | damosu | *un |
| 23:53.33 | streuner | !es |
| 23:53.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:53.33 | Frenetiko | sorry |
| 23:53.39 | Frenetiko | what means "debian"? |
| 23:53.46 | streuner | www.debian.org |
| 23:53.47 | abrotman | !debian |
| 23:53.47 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:53.47 | blondie | erm |
| 23:53.48 | damosu | lol |
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| 23:54.07 | streuner | trolltime :-) |
| 23:54.17 | simonrvn | like teatime, but worse |
| 23:54.22 | Frenetiko | es el problmea de ser español...grrrr.jaja |
| 23:54.23 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:54.30 | blondie | Frenetiko: english in here please. |
| 23:54.31 | abrotman | Frenetiko: please speak english |
| 23:54.45 | Frenetiko | sorry, i didnt know that rule...snif |
| 23:54.46 | flixil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.53 | blondie | flixil: and you! |
| 23:54.57 | blondie | :P |
| 23:55.07 | flixil | what about me? |
| 23:55.13 | blondie | nevermind |
| 23:55.17 | debian | what means "Frenetiko"? |
| 23:55.24 | flixil | rusher i think |
| 23:55.34 | tarzeau | Frenetiko: means deborah and ian |
| 23:55.47 | mfrisch | abrotman: yeah I don't think fiber is coming here soon ;-) |
| 23:55.58 | Frenetiko | in argentina we call frenetio all the peaople who is frentic |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | mfrisch: it's in many areas around philly |
| 23:56.03 | Frenetiko | frantic |
| 23:56.13 | blondie | of course we have a 2.5Gbps internet connection at work ;) |
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| 23:56.26 | blondie | well... 2.5Gbps + 1Gbps I suppose |
| 23:56.51 | Jauis | jelly-home: but, in debian hardering page, I see that debian provied some patches for linux kernel, but are installes via apt-get? or how? |
| 23:56.57 | Frenetiko | when u´re insane and do not very nice things |
| 23:57.02 | mfrisch | it was introduced in Miami when I was down 6 months ago.. |
| 23:57.14 | Frenetiko | and I took it from a song of metallica |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:57.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:57.33 | jelly-home | !tell Jauis about kernel-package |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | tuv: did you like that ? |
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| 23:58.34 | Jauis | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:58.50 | Frenetiko | why do I can´t send queries!!! |
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| 23:58.57 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 23:58.59 | abrotman | because we don't want you to |
| 23:59.04 | Frenetiko | or private mesagesss |
| 23:59.14 | tuv | abrotman, sorry. went a way for a few minutes. just sold my apart.-size washer/dryer |
| 23:59.16 | abrotman | Frenetiko: who are you trying to msg ? |
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| 23:59.25 | abrotman | tuv: heh |
| 23:59.52 | abrotman | Frenetiko: this is not a social channel .. try #freenode-social |
