| 00:00.01 | Frenetiko | since i entered here at least five msgs |
| 00:00.02 | tuv | mfrisch, well i rarely need to reset it, except when rtorrent is running |
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| 00:01.12 | stranger_stone | social ?! lol :x |
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| 00:01.18 | Frenetiko | so i just can write here::: |
| 00:01.21 | tuv | abrotman, so mars is a property of the state of PA? how dare they!! |
| 00:01.28 | mfrisch | tuv I just think it weird that a program can control how your connection works |
| 00:01.36 | curt_ | I wonder how long grub-install --recheck would take when dev is populated with /dev/MAKEDEV generic? |
| 00:01.46 | flixil | Social::Frenetiko? |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | tuv: we're good like that :) |
| 00:02.01 | tuv | mfrisch, it does not control it. it probably creates too many connections for the modem to handle |
| 00:02.16 | Frenetiko | mmm, i just can talk by general window! |
| 00:02.26 | abrotman | Frenetiko: /j #freenode-social |
| 00:02.53 | Frenetiko | sorry i dont understand what are u trying tosay me |
| 00:03.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:03.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:03.14 | blondie | !offtopic |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | Frenetiko: in your IRC window .. type "/join #freenode-social" |
| 00:03.19 | blondie | bah |
| 00:03.26 | Frenetiko | ok, thanks |
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| 00:04.09 | curt_ | s/would/will/ |
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| 00:05.03 | KuJaX | Hello, I just installed debian from the net CD, however I am now in the console and cannot ping even my router (don't believe it detected my onboard network card). Is there a utility like netconfig that will help with this? |
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| 00:05.17 | Lamperi | dei ole |
| 00:05.24 | blondie | huh? |
| 00:05.30 | ole | ? |
| 00:05.38 | Frenetiko | mmm, i think all this has too much technology..! |
| 00:05.43 | mfrisch | !es |
| 00:05.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:05.54 | KuJaX | When I try to ping something (even something locally on the network, I get "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 00:05.55 | blondie | Frenetiko: this is a geek channel |
| 00:05.58 | sussudio | KuJaX: lspci and see what your network card is, then google for it if there's actually a driver for it in the kernel you're using. |
| 00:06.15 | blondie | KuJaX: does "ifconfig eth0" give you output or an error? |
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| 00:06.41 | Frenetiko | from greece? |
| 00:06.43 | blondie | it could be just that you haven't set up ip address etc |
| 00:06.49 | blondie | Frenetiko: geek not greek. |
| 00:06.58 | SpComb | Mui. Lamperi |
| 00:07.02 | Lamperi | Mui. SpComb |
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| 00:07.10 | abrotman | Frenetiko: in your IRC window .. type "/part" |
| 00:07.15 | blondie | !fi |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
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| 00:07.27 | Frenetiko | ha ha, im sorry im learning the language |
| 00:07.30 | sussudio | Asbòs Asbòs Asbòs Asbòs |
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| 00:07.53 | KuJaX | blondie- no error, it says information. |
| 00:07.53 | blondie | abrotman: how curel! |
| 00:08.02 | KuJaX | blondie- but RX byes 0 TX byes 0 |
| 00:08.06 | blondie | KuJaX: right, then the module is probably loaded... unless you have another card |
| 00:08.11 | blondie | KuJaX: does it give the ip address? |
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| 00:08.26 | KuJaX | yes it does (local, 192.168.1.200 |
| 00:08.37 | KuJaX | single onboard network card. |
| 00:08.43 | blondie | hm |
| 00:08.51 | blondie | did you configure it manually or use dhcp? |
| 00:09.08 | mfrisch | KuJaX: then you didn't finish the install? |
| 00:10.05 | KuJaX | It wouldn't connect via ftp or http so I did CD and now I am at console. |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | blondie: maybe .. but he didn't seem interested in debian .. at all |
| 00:11.28 | mfrisch | KuJaX: type uname |
| 00:11.46 | KuJaX | output "linux" |
| 00:12.03 | blondie | :) |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | uname -a |
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| 00:12.32 | KuJaX | debian 2.4.27-3-386 #1 |
| 00:12.37 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 00:12.39 | mfrisch | KuJaX: type uname -v ...I think, what kernel version ? |
| 00:13.02 | KuJaX | I believe the kernel is 2.4.27 |
| 00:13.06 | mfrisch | KuJaX: thats the problem |
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| 00:14.02 | KuJaX | mfrisch: what do you mean? |
| 00:14.11 | KuJaX | unstable or incorrect version? |
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| 00:14.46 | abrotman | KuJaX: what is your problem ? |
| 00:14.49 | scruffy | KuJaX: 2.4.27 was released around 1987 |
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| 00:14.58 | abrotman | scruffy: it was not .. |
| 00:15.07 | scruffy | abrotman: I know, I'm kidding |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | he doesn't |
| 00:15.17 | mfrisch | KuJaX: if you have any hardware that is new it won't be supported no matter whatt you do, I would burn newer netinstall iso, rc1 worked for me |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | KuJaX: do you know what your network card is ? |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | KuJaX: and is this for a server or workstation ? |
| 00:15.31 | KuJaX | scruffy: I just downloaded this from debian.org. The netinstall |
| 00:15.35 | scruffy | abrotman: does the date really matter? :D |
| 00:15.38 | blondie | umm |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | scruffy: lying does ... |
| 00:15.45 | flixil | scruffy: the date of my birth! i'm 2.4.27! |
| 00:15.51 | KuJaX | abrotman: the network card is onboard. WhenI was runnig CentOS linux, it worked fine. It is a SERVER. |
| 00:15.54 | scruffy | abrotman: aww come on |
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| 00:16.03 | blondie | KuJaX: does ifconfig eth0 say what the HWaddr is? and does it look valid? |
| 00:16.13 | abrotman | KuJaX: when you start the installer .. instead of hitting Enter .. type 'linux26' and then hit enter |
| 00:16.17 | blondie | abrotman: if the card wasn't working, surely ifconfig eth0 would barf |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | KuJaX: or 'lspci' .. and tell us what it was |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | erm .. what it is |
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| 00:16.48 | abrotman | okay .. then what does lspci say the card is ? |
| 00:17.02 | blondie | fine, no-one listen to me. see if I care. |
| 00:17.03 | KuJaX | lspci says "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co. RTL-8139/8139C" |
| 00:17.04 | blondie | :'( |
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| 00:17.26 | blondie | KuJaX: I reckon the card is detected and working fine. |
| 00:18.09 | blondie | or ifconfig would say error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 00:18.22 | KuJaX | blondie: right... that is why I am so confused. :) |
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| 00:18.54 | blondie | KuJaX: right, did you specify that address manually, or are you using dhcp? |
| 00:19.17 | blondie | the 8139 network chip should just work. |
| 00:19.33 | KuJaX | blondie: During the installation it tried to connect to the DHCP server (which works) and it wouldn't. So I specified the IP address I wanted with 192.168.1.1 gateway. |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | does 2.4 have an rtl8139 driver ? |
| 00:19.49 | scruffy | KuJaX: double check with `route -n` |
| 00:20.08 | KuJaX | scruffy: 'route -n' just gives me columns, no data. |
| 00:20.10 | blondie | abrotman: Im pretty sure it does |
| 00:20.18 | flixil | Wich file does the auto dhcp in boot up? Because it used to work but not now |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | !find 8139 sarge |
| 00:20.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of '8139' (4 of 43): (/usr/sbin/rtl8139-diag) in net/nictools-pci ;; (/usr/share/doc/ifplugd/patches/8139too.c.0.9.26.patch) in net/ifplugd ;; (/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.4.27/Documentation/networking/8139too.txt.gz) in doc/kernel-doc-2.4.27 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/net/{8139cp.o|8139too.o}) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6. |
| 00:21.11 | scruffy | KuJaX: is the dhcp client running? tried /etc/init.d/networking restart and check any logs? |
| 00:21.25 | KuJaX | scruffy: The DHCP comes from a Linksys router. |
| 00:21.30 | blondie | KuJaX: in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a gateway specifoed? |
| 00:21.35 | jello | you want to use the 8139too driver |
| 00:21.40 | jello | the rtl8139 is buggy |
| 00:21.44 | scruffy | KuJaX: your machine has to have a dhcp client to talk to the server however |
| 00:21.54 | blondie | scruffy: he said he wasnt using dhcp. |
| 00:21.59 | mfrisch | KuJaX: whats in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:21.59 | scruffy | blondie: ah |
| 00:22.04 | KuJaX | blondie: DHCP is setup on the network via Linksys router. |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | scruffy: installed by default |
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| 00:22.31 | blondie | KuJaX: anyway, look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:22.47 | blondie | is there a gateway line |
| 00:22.52 | KuJaX | mfrisch and blondie: did '/etc/network/interfaces' within root console, and it says -bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied" |
| 00:23.00 | blondie | it's not a program |
| 00:23.02 | blondie | cat it |
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| 00:23.21 | blondie | its a text file |
| 00:24.22 | scruffy | KuJaX: grep gateway /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:24.22 | KuJaX | scruffy: output says 'gateway 192.168.1.1' |
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| 00:24.34 | crOOked | evening... is it possible to connect to VPNserver with just debian netinst, no extra packeges avaliable since my internet connection goes trought VPN. |
| 00:24.43 | KuJaX | in /etc/network/interfaces it says "auto lo" then "iface lo inet loopback" then "auto eth0" then "iface eth0 inet static" then the information I setup during installation (IP address and 192.168.1.1 gateway |
| 00:25.00 | blondie | crOOked: how do you connect to the vpn then? :P |
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| 00:25.16 | blondie | KuJaX: what about netmask? |
| 00:25.18 | crOOked | blondie lan? |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | each machine on your LAN does a VPN connection ? |
| 00:25.43 | blondie | crOOked: anyway, it depends on what type of vpn... i guess not |
| 00:25.50 | KuJaX | blondie: netmask? Not familiar with that. |
| 00:25.53 | crOOked | abrotman almoast |
| 00:25.54 | blondie | abrotman: actually we have such a setup at work fore wireless |
| 00:26.01 | crOOked | blondie pptp |
| 00:26.04 | blondie | KuJaX: is there a netmask line in there. |
| 00:26.15 | KuJaX | blondie: No |
| 00:26.23 | blondie | well you need that or it wont work |
| 00:26.33 | KuJaX | I just edited and commented out the "auto lo" and "iface lo inetnet loopback" incase that is the issue. How can I restart the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 00:26.41 | blondie | no no no |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | put those back |
| 00:26.45 | blondie | uncomment them |
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| 00:26.53 | blondie | and add: netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:26.54 | KuJaX | okay, back. |
| 00:26.57 | mfrisch | haha |
| 00:27.01 | blondie | after the gateway line |
| 00:27.02 | KuJaX | ohh yes, netmast 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:27.04 | KuJaX | under eth0 |
| 00:27.08 | KuJaX | *netmask |
| 00:27.08 | blondie | >.< |
| 00:27.10 | crOOked | darn and i was looking forward to a sleepless night. :D |
| 00:27.27 | rjk | Can someone give me some hints as to why my /var/log/ksymoops/ log file is loading up with modprobe requests for net-pf-10 safemode=1? This just started happening on the 9th. |
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| 00:28.03 | venomist | how can i change owner of a folder and its sub-folders in one command? |
| 00:28.05 | KuJaX | should I set "iface eth0 inet DHCP".. right now it reads "iface eth0 inet static" with the static information below it. |
| 00:28.12 | blondie | venomist: man chown |
| 00:28.31 | abrotman | KuJaX: does ifconfig eth0 show an IP ? |
| 00:28.31 | crOOked | venomis chown -R ? |
| 00:28.34 | blondie | !folder |
| 00:28.34 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 00:28.41 | SerajewelKS | finally got wifi working... no one told me i needed bcm43xx-cutter :) |
| 00:28.42 | karmatronic | venomist, chown -R user.grou * |
| 00:28.49 | KuJaX | abrotman: yes it does "inet addr: 192.168.1.222" |
| 00:28.51 | rjk | Broadcom is junk. |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | KuJaX: is your network DHCP > |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:28.58 | rjk | That's probably why no one told you. |
| 00:29.01 | crOOked | rjk amen to that |
| 00:29.05 | KuJaX | Yes, there is a Linksys router on the network running DHCP |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | KuJaX: in /etc/networking/interfaces .. iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | take out the other stanza for eth0 |
| 00:30.02 | SerajewelKS | rjk: thank you for that, kindly fuck off please |
| 00:30.02 | venomist | karmatronic THANK YOU! |
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| 00:30.07 | flixil | is there a way to run again the wizard of the instalation to config network? |
| 00:30.17 | sanmarcos | how can I do a test-run (see if dependencies are satisfied with a .deb) with dpkg? |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | etherconf or seomthing like that |
| 00:30.21 | KuJaX | okay, so that reads now "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback" "auto eth0" and finally "iface eth0 inet dhcp" Everything else is commented out? |
| 00:30.25 | streuner | flixil: base-config? |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | KuJaX: fine .. reboot |
| 00:30.47 | KuJaX | hard reboot? 'shutdown -r now' ? |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:31.10 | blondie | wtf... |
| 00:31.14 | blondie | thsi isn't windows |
| 00:31.18 | KuJaX | did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:31.23 | flixil | base config? i don't have such a command... or paquet |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | KuJaX: ifconfig eth0 .. have an IP ? |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | streuner: not in etch/sid |
| 00:31.40 | azeem | flixil: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:31.48 | KuJaX | "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 |
| 00:31.53 | KuJaX | send_packet: Network is down |
| 00:31.54 | streuner | abrotman: i know |
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| 00:32.02 | flixil | Etch azeem |
| 00:32.08 | blondie | check your cabling |
| 00:32.09 | azeem | flixil: then there is no good way |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | KuJaX: fix the cable |
| 00:32.20 | flixil | ouch xD |
| 00:32.22 | KuJaX | blondie: I just did, i plugged it into this lapto that I am talking to you right now with. |
| 00:32.30 | blondie | wtf |
| 00:32.31 | azeem | flixil: you'll have to edit /etc/network/interfaces manually or use something like NetworkManager |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | KuJaX: odd .. you didn't time out |
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| 00:32.47 | blondie | KuJaX: then how do you expect it to work on that machine? |
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| 00:33.09 | abrotman | i can't believe the Colts won again |
| 00:33.12 | KuJaX | blondie: I tested it on this laptop first, and now this laptop is running a wireless signal. :) |
| 00:33.22 | KuJaX | there is a cat5 cord plugged into this server of which is showing lights on the back. |
| 00:33.22 | flixil | azeem: the problem is that i have ...../interfaces ok but it doesn't dhcp on startup... i'll have to check init.d scripts or something i don't know |
| 00:33.22 | karmatronic | KuJaX, sometimes disabling acpi works for that kind of stuff ... |
| 00:33.25 | blondie | well... do the lights come on? |
| 00:33.32 | KuJaX | blondie: yes they do. |
| 00:33.37 | KuJaX | on both the router and server. |
| 00:33.41 | rjk | It's more than likely auto-sensing. |
| 00:33.59 | azeem | flixil: do you have knetworkmanager installed? |
| 00:34.02 | KuJaX | it is saying "255.255.255.255" instead of "255.255.255.0". could that be an issue? |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | no |
| 00:34.08 | rjk | ifup the device. try dhclient ethX |
| 00:34.10 | KuJaX | azeem: I haven't installed anything |
| 00:34.12 | karmatronic | KuJaX, no |
| 00:34.13 | blondie | what is? |
| 00:34.20 | azeem | KuJaX: I'm not talking to you |
| 00:34.31 | flixil | azeem no but i can install it |
| 00:34.35 | azeem | flixil: no |
| 00:34.35 | blondie | im going to bed |
| 00:34.37 | azeem | just wondering |
| 00:34.47 | KuJaX | rjk: I tried dhclient eth0 and I am getting the same thing. "send_packet: Network is down" |
| 00:34.48 | azeem | flixil: so what happens on bootup? |
| 00:34.59 | sanmarcos | what are .dist files? |
| 00:35.03 | karmatronic | KuJaX, checked cabling, see a green light ? |
| 00:35.06 | flixil | azeem but it used to dhcp i wrote a new init.d script but i don't like that... way |
| 00:35.17 | azeem | flixil: what did you change? |
| 00:35.23 | KuJaX | karmatronic: Yes, and I have also tried the cord into a laptop and DHCP gave the laptop a IP adress just fine. |
| 00:35.43 | flixil | just a new one with the word dhcpclient and priority 90 |
| 00:35.53 | karmatronic | KuJaX, run mii-diag |
| 00:35.59 | azeem | flixil: why? |
| 00:36.05 | azeem | flixil: did it work after you installed? |
| 00:36.09 | KuJaX | karmatronic: mii-diag: command not found |
| 00:36.13 | flixil | azeem: it did work |
| 00:36.17 | rjk | Set the ip statically? |
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| 00:36.23 | flixil | and it stoped after an upgrade |
| 00:36.32 | KuJaX | rjk: we just tried that, and I couldn't even ping the router nor anything outside of the localhost. |
| 00:36.40 | rjk | No firewall, correct? |
| 00:36.45 | karmatronic | KuJaX, apt-get install mii-diag |
| 00:36.47 | KuJaX | rjk: correct. |
| 00:37.01 | azeem | flixil: what kind of upgrade? |
| 00:37.06 | KuJaX | karamtronic: "Couldn't find package mii-diag" |
| 00:37.12 | flixil | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:37.19 | karmatronic | KuJaX, you re running sarge ? |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:37.47 | rjk | Get a xo cable, plug it into the laptop. Configure your problem box with a static and try pinging the laptop... Sounds like an odd problem or I'm missing something here. |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | could be a bum driver ? |
| 00:38.16 | blondie | try a livecd or something |
| 00:38.20 | azeem | flixil: 01:23 < azeem> flixil: so what happens on bootup? |
| 00:38.24 | abrotman | or the 2.6 kernel on the netinst |
| 00:38.27 | rjk | ipv6. tehee. |
| 00:38.30 | blondie | or that |
| 00:38.33 | blondie | or |
| 00:38.35 | karmatronic | KuJaX, apt-cache search mii-diag |
| 00:38.53 | karmatronic | KuJaX, or apt-get install mii-tool |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | karmatronic: he has no internet .. and i don't htink that's in base |
| 00:39.13 | blondie | ECATCH22 |
| 00:39.20 | karmatronic | abrotman, sorry ,just arrived |
| 00:39.21 | rjk | heh |
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| 00:40.08 | flixil | azeem i don't know i'm just looking the dmesg log... but cat /var/log/dmesg | grep dhc doesn't print any line (but mine) |
| 00:40.22 | KuJaX | karamtronic: like abrotman said, no internet working. |
| 00:40.23 | karmatronic | KuJaX, you cant dhcp but your netcard driver is loaded and your conf file is ok , right ? |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | KuJaX: is the CD still there ? |
| 00:40.42 | KuJaX | abrotman: yes, but it is just the minimal netinstall CD |
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| 00:40.55 | KuJaX | karamatronic: netcard driver should be loaded, how can I double check? |
| 00:40.58 | abrotman | KuJaX: that's fine .. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 00:41.21 | flixil | azeem u did mean on dmesg isn't it? |
| 00:41.34 | KuJaX | abrotman: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386. Want me to put the CD in the drive? |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | that'd be a good start |
| 00:41.45 | karmatronic | :) |
| 00:41.55 | azeem | flixil: pastebin the syslog |
| 00:41.58 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 00:42.36 | SerajewelKS | the card seems to be randomly drepping and duplicating packets now |
| 00:42.51 | karmatronic | KuJaX, try booting with noacpi |
| 00:42.56 | flixil | azeem all or just the dhclient part? i see there is one |
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| 00:43.35 | flixil | mmm... :) nahh, i think it's mine dhclient |
| 00:43.56 | rjk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5071 |
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| 00:44.49 | azeem | flixil: the whole file (at least the first minute after reboot or so) would be better |
| 00:45.03 | flixil | i'm trying to cut it off :) |
| 00:45.09 | SerajewelKS | droping too |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | dropping ? |
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| 00:47.06 | hi | sorry |
| 00:47.13 | KuJaX2 | Back |
| 00:47.19 | Jauis | I have installed a kernel-patch via apt-get install kernel-patch-grsecurity2, but now, how to recompile the kernel to use it? |
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| 00:47.30 | KuJaX2 | swapped out routers with another one........ and here I am again on the laptop working fine. |
| 00:47.49 | karmatronic | KuJaX, cool |
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| 00:48.00 | KuJaX2 | on the newly installed debian netinstall server, nothing. :( hehe |
| 00:48.01 | ctp | anyone knows which deb mirror is really reliable and fast (europe)? |
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| 00:48.08 | abrotman | ctp: apt-spy |
| 00:48.11 | n3kl | Why are network dools like airodump and airmon not in apt? |
| 00:48.20 | ctp | abrotman: ah, ok. thx |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | n3kl: you didn't package them yet |
| 00:49.10 | flixil | I'm pasting |
| 00:49.11 | rjk | aren't airodump, airmon, and aireplay parts of aircrack? |
| 00:49.18 | Jauis | yes |
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| 00:49.30 | abrotman | !find airodump sid |
| 00:49.30 | n3kl | abrotman: do you know a good tool to package source into deb? |
| 00:49.35 | karmatronic | rjk, airmon isnt |
| 00:49.38 | abrotman | !mg |
| 00:49.38 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 00:49.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'airodump' (1): (/usr/sbin/airodump-ng) in net/aircrack-ng. |
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| 00:50.07 | svilendotorg | hi all |
| 00:50.13 | rjk | howdy |
| 00:50.15 | flixil | azeem http://pastebin.ca/315894 |
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| 00:50.52 | Jauis | one question, debian has an a custom .config kernel for kernel 2.6.8 (debian sarge)? or it is the same .config as kernel.org? |
| 00:50.56 | KuJaX | Any other suggestions? |
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| 00:51.03 | loopdee | i think my gnome volume control is a bit whacky, seem master does not adjust the volume, and seem headphone is the master.. and pcm doesnt do anything either, is there a way to fix this ? |
| 00:51.07 | svilendotorg | :) where is the best location for the swap partition - at the beginning of the disk or at its end? For speed purposes |
| 00:51.41 | azeem | flixil: also paste your /etc/network/interfaces, please |
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| 00:53.09 | flixil | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/315900 |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | svilendotorg: the closest to the most used partition |
| 00:53.12 | svilendotorg | also i have 2 PATA HDD's and i am configuring software RAID with the Debian installer, but i was wondering if i could put /tmp and swap on RAID0 for speed and /, /etc, /var, /usr on RAID1 |
| 00:53.55 | svilendotorg | or create all RAID1 for stability |
| 00:54.16 | n3kl | !find aireplay-ng etch |
| 00:54.32 | azeem | flixil: that's syslog again |
| 00:54.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aireplay-ng' (1): (/usr/sbin/aireplay-ng) in net/aircrack-ng. |
| 00:56.08 | flixil | azeem: i made a comment sorry http://pastebin.ca/315905 |
| 00:57.34 | azeem | flixil: try to change that to "auto eth0" and see whether that works better |
| 00:57.42 | azeem | the allow-hotplug I mean |
| 00:57.43 | n3kl | dpkg says the bin is in aircrack, but its not. |
| 00:57.43 | dpkg | okay, n3kl |
| 00:58.00 | streuner | !listauth n3kl |
| 00:58.05 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'n3kl' (1): says the bin. |
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| 00:58.18 | streuner | dpkg, forget says the bin |
| 00:58.18 | dpkg | i forgot says the bin, streuner |
| 00:58.19 | flixil | s/'iface eth0 inet dhcp'/'auto eth0' ?? |
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| 00:58.55 | cusco | n3kl: yes it is |
| 00:59.05 | streuner | n3kl: please don't use 'dpkg' at the start of a message here, it creates (prolly) a factoid |
| 00:59.10 | n3kl | cusco: what release are you looking in? |
| 00:59.15 | cusco | dpkg -L aircrack |
| 00:59.15 | dpkg | ii aircrack 3.3-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:59.20 | cusco | testing |
| 00:59.21 | n3kl | streuner: ok |
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| 00:59.49 | cusco | oops |
| 01:00.06 | flixil | azeem change the line of iface to auto eth0 do u mean? |
| 01:00.09 | n3kl | cusco: I think its supposed to be in aircrack, but I don't see it. slocate doesn't turn anything up. |
| 01:00.18 | azeem | flixil: no, the other one |
| 01:00.25 | cusco | n3kl: you need root to run it |
| 01:00.31 | n3kl | cusco: I am |
| 01:00.50 | Winkie | hey guys, is there a debianesque way to save and restore iptables rules easily? |
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| 01:01.14 | n3kl | cusco: ah.... I lied. Thanks |
| 01:01.16 | streuner | Winkie: man iptables-save |
| 01:01.24 | cusco | :p |
| 01:01.43 | karmatronic | Winkie, put a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables-start |
| 01:01.44 | Winkie | streuner: i know that exists, but does debian have anything built into the init scripts to restore it? |
| 01:01.45 | flixil | azeem sorry i don't catch you |
| 01:01.46 | cusco | what chipset are you using n3kl ? |
| 01:01.48 | Winkie | karmatronic: ah i see |
| 01:02.07 | Winkie | karmatronic: that makes sense, thanks |
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| 01:02.23 | streuner | Winkie: /msg dpkg interfaces and take a look into examples - "pre-" rules |
| 01:02.23 | azeem | flixil: there are two lines with "eth0" in it |
| 01:02.37 | azeem | change the one with "hotplug-allow" into "auto eth0" |
| 01:03.20 | flixil | Oko, thanks |
| 01:03.30 | azeem | dunno if that helps |
| 01:03.35 | azeem | I'm going to bed now, good luck |
| 01:03.42 | flixil | 15 min to end downloading sound fonts and i'll reboot |
| 01:03.45 | flixil | thanks anyway :) |
| 01:04.08 | karmatronic | flixil, musician ? |
| 01:04.56 | flixil | karmatronic: something like :) I like to play guitar with some voices between, so write some for rosegarden |
| 01:05.16 | flixil | It's better than playing alone :) |
| 01:05.16 | karmatronic | flixil, i play guitar too |
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| 01:07.58 | flixil | karmatronic: i discovered gnu music with demudi :) |
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| 01:09.03 | karmatronic | flixil, never tried |
| 01:09.26 | karmatronic | flixil, but i run a realtime kernel and qjack is great ! |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: isn't it still in /usr/share//doc/iptables/ ? |
| 01:10.17 | flixil | karmatronic: i don't run a realtime kernel, i don't need it, i use timidity++ and rosegarden |
| 01:10.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: nope, * removed example script directory, unmaintained examples |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 01:11.11 | flixil | karmatronic: but now since i installed etch i don't know why it doesn't work xD... I'll have to repair some things :) |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: file a bug to put it back :) |
| 01:11.15 | jelly-home | well, apt-get install lokkit (or something else) isn't that hard to do |
| 01:11.29 | karmatronic | jelly-home, i do have the script |
| 01:11.33 | lindenle | Hi guys, I took down mysql to change the number of binary logs it keeps and now I cannot get it to start again. |
| 01:11.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm not touching that issue with a 10 foot pole! |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: use a 20ft! |
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| 01:12.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: file it and run away to croatia! |
| 01:12.39 | karmatronic | flixil, tried hydrogen ? |
| 01:12.47 | flixil | Ohh now it work :) |
| 01:12.57 | flixil | the sound i mean i forgot to load sf xD |
| 01:13.04 | jelly-home | karmatronic: well, you can put it back as /etc/init.d/iptables, put your iptables-save output in /var/lib/iptables, add a rc.d link and it should work |
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| 01:13.13 | flixil | yes i tried but i don't find it useful :) i don't use it |
| 01:13.29 | karmatronic | jelly, update-rc.d is cool for that |
| 01:14.08 | jelly-home | karmatronic: yeah. firewall -> /var/lib/iptables/active , no firewall is I think /var/lib/iptables/inactive |
| 01:14.27 | karmatronic | flixil, for me it s one of the best software (use it to put drumming in my songs) |
| 01:14.49 | karmatronic | flixil, although sound fonts are hard to find |
| 01:14.54 | jelly-home | karmatronic: that's what I use on some of my sarge servers (don't use inactive ruleset though) |
| 01:15.07 | Jauis | Can I use .config from kernel 2.6.8 (debian sarge) on custom kernel 2.6.19? |
| 01:15.17 | streuner | sure |
| 01:15.18 | Jauis | jelly-home: you know? |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | Jauis: as a base |
| 01:15.28 | streuner | but you need to make corrections then |
| 01:15.32 | karmatronic | jelly, by the way i have an iptables question |
| 01:15.43 | Jauis | without any problems streuner? wich corrections? |
| 01:15.43 | streuner | Jauis: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:15.56 | Jauis | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:16.00 | jelly-home | Jauis: you'll have a lot to do with make oldconfig. I'd use one from Debian etch' 2.6.18 as a start, less differences |
| 01:16.00 | karmatronic | jelly , is there any tool on top of netfilter that easily allows to filter by type of application |
| 01:16.04 | flixil | karmatronic: i've a very good sf a man gived to me by dcc do u want it? |
| 01:16.10 | streuner | Jauis: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:16.17 | Jauis | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.26 | karmatronic | flixil, yeah ! |
| 01:16.50 | jelly-home | karmatronic: uhh. There's a l7-filters project, might want to take a look at that |
| 01:17.09 | craigevil | karmatronic: tuxguardian is a gui firewall tool that filters by application |
| 01:17.44 | karmatronic | craigevil, and i can mix standard iptables rules with the one created through gui ? |
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| 01:17.59 | Jauis | jelly-home: well, can I use kernel 2.6.8 with grsec patche by me? or it is better to use a latest kernel? or 2.6.8 (debian sarge with patches) |
| 01:18.02 | Jauis | ? |
| 01:18.16 | flixil | karmatronic: well i'll have to kill X |
| 01:18.25 | flixil | do u have an other method to send it to u? |
| 01:18.27 | craigevil | karmatronic: http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:18.28 | jelly-home | Jauis: for grsec, I'd use the latest kernel that grsec supports. ;-) |
| 01:18.30 | flixil | like sftp of something? |
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| 01:19.25 | jelly-home | Jauis: I use sarge with only a newer kernel (2.6.18.2-grsec currently), and this works ok |
| 01:19.52 | jacques | jelly-home, hmm, now debian is telling me my accounts are expired and to contact the sytem admin - and it won't even let me login as root on the console |
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| 01:20.05 | jacques | maybe that usermod wasn't quite right :-\ |
| 01:20.06 | flixil | karmatronic: well i'll have to kill X, do u have an other way to send it to u? |
| 01:20.17 | Jauis | jelly-home: but, you need to create a new .config? |
| 01:20.23 | Jauis | sorry my english |
| 01:21.17 | jacques | and I cannot su |
| 01:21.17 | jelly-home | Jauis: well, we already have a .config for our hardware from before... |
| 01:21.19 | Jauis | jelly-home: can you send me your .config? :) |
| 01:21.24 | jelly-home | Jauis: sure |
| 01:21.29 | Jauis | thank you!! |
| 01:21.30 | jacques | this is so incredibly broken |
| 01:21.39 | jacques | when root acct can expire and root cannot login on console |
| 01:22.07 | jacques | in the past I have ripped out pam completely, looks like I'll have to do that again |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | did you install ntp ? |
| 01:22.23 | jelly-home | Jauis: http://nekkar.carnet.hr/~jelly/config-2.6.18.2-grsec |
| 01:22.29 | Jauis | jelly-home: thanks again |
| 01:22.33 | jacques | no, but U haven't rebooted either |
| 01:22.35 | jacques | I |
| 01:22.46 | jelly-home | jacques: well disable the expire somehow? |
| 01:23.22 | jacques | how? I don't have a root session and it won't let me login on console as root even |
| 01:23.36 | jacques | root should be a special account, but apparently it's not |
| 01:24.24 | jelly-home | jacques: hm. reboot to single user, or even with init=/bin/sh if single user doesn't work either |
| 01:24.53 | mfrisch | jelly-home: he's using arm and qemu |
| 01:25.03 | jelly-home | mfrisch: I know, been here before |
| 01:25.19 | mfrisch | cool |
| 01:25.27 | jacques | jelly-home, yeah init=/bin/sh was going to be my next step, followed by rm /etc/pam.d/* |
| 01:25.30 | SerajewelKS | okay so either the bcm43xx driver absolutely sucks ass, i cut the wrong firmware, or it's lying that the signal strength is 100% |
| 01:25.50 | SerajewelKS | because it's dropping packets like a mofo |
| 01:26.19 | jelly-home | jacques: heh. Dunno, maybe things would work better if you made that rtc thing work... and maybe it's a red herring |
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| 01:27.01 | jacques | no matter what - the root account should never expire - it's a long standing tenet of unix that root can ALWAYS login on the console no matter what other account based stuff is screwed up |
| 01:27.23 | jacques | it's not even telling me I have to change my password - it's just not letting me login |
| 01:27.49 | jelly-home | jacques: apparently whoever designed your /bin/login doesn't share that er, opinion |
| 01:27.58 | mfrisch | like /etc/secutetty is commented |
| 01:28.24 | SerajewelKS | the card is a Broadcom 4306. what all should i do to get this to work on etch? |
| 01:29.23 | jacques | pam has never caused me anything but hours of frustratioin |
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| 01:30.01 | jelly-home | jacques: and you probably won't need it for your embedded thingy either |
| 01:30.10 | SerajewelKS | the quality is 100/100 on *all* networks it scans, that is not right |
| 01:30.39 | jacques | jelly-home, exactly |
| 01:31.59 | jelly-home | !etch borks |
| 01:32.15 | jelly-home | !testing borks |
| 01:32.15 | dpkg | from memory, testing borks is [06 Jan 2007] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today , see "Current Issues" section for a known Xorg issue when installing Etch (or doing a sarge->etch dist-upgrade) .. If for some reason the steps outlined there; 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' aren't fully fixing it; also then try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd' |
| 01:32.18 | snowbird | i see |
| 01:32.41 | snowbird | mine too did that |
| 01:33.12 | craigevil | if your using the nvidia drivers watch updating xorg as it wants to remove them |
| 01:33.23 | snowbird | shot |
| 01:33.52 | snowbird | wounder if that will be fixed? |
| 01:34.06 | karmatronic | craigevil, what s the name of the FW GUI you told me before |
| 01:34.09 | snowbird | why the xorg convert |
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| 01:34.22 | craigevil | karmatronic: http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:34.33 | karmatronic | craigevil, thanks let s see |
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| 01:35.32 | karmatronic | craigevil, cool stuff but i m wondering if you can do the same only using iptables ... |
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| 01:36.41 | jerry | w Ono |
| 01:37.00 | jelly-home | karmatronic: most of the [g]uis are rule generators of iptables, so the answer would probably be positive |
| 01:37.22 | karmatronic | jelly, well from what i ve jsut read answer will be no ! |
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| 01:37.44 | karmatronic | jelly, tuxgardain is a kinf of a fake firewall |
| 01:37.52 | karmatronic | s/kinf/kind |
| 01:38.12 | jelly-home | karmatronic: yeah, I see that it uses LSM modules too |
| 01:38.32 | snowbird | any one use gurad dog fire wall? |
| 01:38.42 | karmatronic | jelly, but it would be cool stuff on a laptop |
| 01:38.47 | snowbird | is this tux a good fire wall |
| 01:38.50 | floundering | Hi, the floppy etch installer hangs on or just after initrd.gz on a compaq 1592dt. any suggestions |
| 01:39.02 | karmatronic | craigevil, thank you exactely , you answered 2 questions |
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| 01:39.36 | karmatronic | snowbird, tuxgardian is not a firewall |
| 01:39.36 | mfrisch | shorewall is a good firewall. anyone either blocks or lets connections through. |
| 01:40.06 | karmatronic | snowbird, but it behaves exacteky as all those (crapy) firewall gui on windows |
| 01:40.14 | snowbird | oh |
| 01:40.31 | karmatronic | snowbird, so for , a newbie (like my wife) , it s perfect |
| 01:40.39 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:40.51 | karmatronic | snowbird, as an add-on to netfilter,of course |
| 01:41.07 | snowbird | is soometing like guard dog better? |
| 01:41.09 | mfrisch | there's guarddog if you want a gui |
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| 01:41.28 | snowbird | is that better than firestarter |
| 01:41.51 | mfrisch | snowbird: its not better or worse its what it accepts as its defaults |
| 01:42.20 | karmatronic | snowbird, guard dog or firestarter are just gui to netfilter |
| 01:42.25 | jelly-home | floundering: that machine is rather old, right? I'd try the boot options for disabling acpi |
| 01:42.41 | snowbird | i tried guard dog could get google to search etc |
| 01:42.43 | karmatronic | snowbird, so they dont implement a control on applications |
| 01:43.11 | snowbird | what would? |
| 01:43.34 | karmatronic | well ,this tuxguardian does |
| 01:43.36 | mfrisch | snowbird: you would need to open port 80 |
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| 01:45.12 | snowbird | ahh |
| 01:45.23 | snowbird | ill try that |
| 01:45.56 | snowbird | does not ask if u want ports open odd |
| 01:46.32 | mfrisch | snowbird: all a firewall does is block or open what connections you want to allow on the machine. You need to open all the ports for all the services you want to use |
| 01:46.58 | floundering | jelly-home: No, It wasn't that one either. and the debug options print nothing to screen. |
| 01:47.33 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:47.51 | jelly-home | floundering: I'd try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org and/or the debian-boot mailing list |
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| 02:02.30 | NicknamesAreSoGa | Anyone here |
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| 02:03.24 | NicknamesAreSoGa | Who at |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | anyone ? |
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| 02:04.02 | abrotman | do you actually have a Debian question ? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | that was easy :) |
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| 02:05.50 | jerry | why call it "debian"? :) |
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| 02:06.33 | scruffy | jerry: I think because Deb + Ian (names of people) |
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| 02:06.51 | krazykit | jerry: because His Noodliness said so. |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | !meaning of debian |
| 02:07.13 | scruffy | jerry: Ian Murdock? |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | hrm .. i've seen it |
| 02:07.38 | abrotman | jerry: Ian Murdock's wife is named Deb .. Deb + Ian |
| 02:07.53 | jerry | ah :) |
| 02:08.36 | ofer0 | Isn't he a romantic guy... |
| 02:08.50 | stoned | I think debian should change its name to Naibed |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | i'm sure it's in the History docs too |
| 02:09.00 | stoned | cuz that would be interesting and fun to pronouce |
| 02:09.05 | stoned | pronounce* |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | Nay-Bed |
| 02:09.18 | jelly-home | stoned: you should change your nick to dentos! |
| 02:09.19 | stoned | I was thiking more like Nybed |
| 02:09.30 | stoned | dentos is not stoned backwards |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | neither is very hard |
| 02:09.36 | stoned | you fucked up |
| 02:09.42 | jelly-home | stoned: no, but it has teeth |
| 02:09.47 | stoned | lol |
| 02:09.53 | stoned | you're crazy man lol |
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| 02:12.10 | pablo | hi, i have a wireless pcmcia and it is not listed on lspci |
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| 02:12.56 | abrotman | that's because it's pcmcia |
| 02:13.05 | ofer0 | lspcmcia ? |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: is it like .. 4am there ? |
| 02:13.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: 3am, but yeah :-( |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | just checking |
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| 02:15.32 | pablo | ofer0: ok |
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| 02:16.24 | KickstartUF | Hi all...I've got a strange problem I hope someone can help with. On a new stable system I'm trying to install squid from unstable or testing (to try and solve a file descriptor limit problem). However, when I try 'apt-get -t unstable install squid' it wants to remove the running kernel (which is the only kernel installed) |
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| 02:17.30 | KickstartUF | apt is updated and no files need installing, in either upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 02:17.58 | krazykit | KickstartUF: you shouldn't mix the versions. see if there's a backport for it |
| 02:18.12 | larsl | Hello, trying to create an encrypted loopback device using 'losetup -e blowfish256 /dev/loop0 file', but I keep getting the error "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument", any idea what can be wrong? |
| 02:18.15 | KickstartUF | where can I get a backport? |
| 02:18.22 | larsl | I have loaded cryptoloop and blowfish. |
| 02:18.27 | krazykit | !backports |
| 02:18.27 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 02:18.37 | KickstartUF | !backports |
| 02:18.37 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 02:18.49 | KickstartUF | sorry |
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| 02:19.04 | krazykit | not a big deal. it's slow in here anyway |
| 02:19.35 | KickstartUF | should I need a backport if I am running the current stable? |
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| 02:20.02 | krazykit | using sarge? yes, if you want a newer version. |
| 02:20.11 | KickstartUF | ok, I see |
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| 02:20.58 | Perdignus | Hello - I'm having trouble updating my system. It starts with this error -->[3 Sources bzip2 0]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 02:21.56 | deadcat_ | wow.. rsync uses alot of memory |
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| 02:22.08 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 02:22.26 | deadcat_ | i am just rsync dir1 dir2 |
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| 02:23.03 | Perdignus | Hmm, nevermind, despite getting nothing but errors all day, I did another "apt-get update" and it worked fine, strange... |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | is it .. porn and porn-backup ? |
| 02:23.21 | deadcat_ | abrotman: mp3 and mp3-backup |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:23.32 | deadcat_ | i dont backup my porns (= |
| 02:23.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: everyone knows that the pron folder is called php-docs |
| 02:23.55 | deadcat_ | hahahahaha |
| 02:24.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's like in the FHS! |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | is it part of the LSB ? |
| 02:24.51 | jelly-home | I think it's a proposed-standard |
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| 02:26.02 | deadcat_ | should i do the rsync on a system with more cpu power and ram? |
| 02:27.16 | deadcat_ | beerfest? |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | World Beer Cup |
| 02:27.29 | jelly-home | deadcat_: create the first copy with cp instead, then do rsync's after |
| 02:27.34 | jelly-home | s/'// |
| 02:27.39 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: ah |
| 02:28.08 | biatche | anyone mind explaining to me what's chmod 1770 " 1 " |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:28.15 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
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| 02:28.40 | jerry | hm is deb-ian more deb or more ian - |
| 02:28.45 | biatche | uhm that was so fast, was that directed towards me? |
| 02:28.49 | jelly-home | That's a sticky issue |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | biatche: yes |
| 02:29.16 | biatche | ok thanks.. very fast reflexes |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:29.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:29.34 | jerry | !ian |
| 02:29.34 | dpkg | Did you mean Ian Murdock? |
| 02:29.36 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: can i cp and tell cp not to overwrite? so i dont have to cp that much. |
| 02:29.58 | jcl | is there some trick to getting make-kpkg to generate a kernel-headers package with all the usual subdirectories you find in any apt-get'd kernel-headers? the ones i compile only contain two or directories... |
| 02:30.11 | jcl | apt-get ones have arch, build, etc. |
| 02:30.20 | jelly-home | deadcat_: man cp is your friend I guess |
| 02:30.25 | jerry | !deb |
| 02:30.25 | dpkg | i guess deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 02:30.26 | larsl | Can't losetup be used to create encrypted loop devices in Debian? |
| 02:30.26 | deadcat_ | did already |
| 02:30.34 | deadcat_ | larsl: yes you can |
| 02:30.35 | krazykit | jcl: make-kpkg kernel_headers? |
| 02:30.50 | larsl | deadcat_: It keeps telling me LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument |
| 02:31.05 | KickstartUF | krazykit: thanks for the backports info earlier...what everything seems to be pointing to is me doing a dist-upgrade to testing or unstable. squid backports depends on libdb4.4, which doesn't appear to have a backport, and the one in apt depends on libc6, which wants me to remove the kernel again. |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | please don't go to unstable |
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| 02:31.58 | jcl | krazykit: im using the buildpackage target which includes kernel_headers |
| 02:32.02 | krazykit | KickstartUF: sounds like you broked something :-( |
| 02:32.10 | jcl | the kernel-headers-*.deb does get created, it just doesnt have everything that it should |
| 02:32.21 | larsl | deadcat_: And I've loaded cryptoloop and blowfish, so that's not the problem. |
| 02:32.22 | jcl | i.e. the arch subdir, build subdir, etc. |
| 02:32.25 | deadcat_ | larsl: i only used taht with dmcrypt. tahts all i know and it works for me |
| 02:32.34 | Perdignus | !sid |
| 02:32.34 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 02:32.45 | jelly-home | KickstartUF: you could try and make your backport use libdb4.2 with questionable results |
| 02:33.08 | biatche | abrotman: that made no explanation on "1"777 |
| 02:33.10 | KickstartUF | krazykit: thing is, it's a brand new install |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | biatche: "that" being ? |
| 02:33.31 | krazykit | KickstartUF: ...oh. |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | biatche: there are like five things to read in that factoid |
| 02:33.57 | biatche | woolage, sorry i think ill read the rest first |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure greycat covered "1" |
| 02:34.39 | jelly-home | biatche: search for "sticky bit" in that first link |
| 02:35.26 | Perdignus | !apt |
| 02:35.26 | dpkg | i heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 02:35.43 | biatche | oh sorry, i missed it, sorry and thx |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 02:35.43 | dpkg | msg the bot is probably please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 02:35.54 | abrotman | biatche: he doesn't reference it as "1" |
| 02:35.54 | Perdignus | Sorry |
| 02:36.12 | biatche | yes, its "t" |
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| 02:36.43 | KickstartUF | !dist-upgrade |
| 02:36.44 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | KickstartUF: msg the bot |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | !tell KickstartUF about sarge->etch |
| 02:37.12 | KickstartUF | ah, okie. Sorry |
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| 02:37.31 | larsl | deadcat_: So you use losetup without encryption, and then dmcrypt on top of that? |
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| 02:37.58 | KickstartUF | !tell KickstartUF about sarge->etch |
| 02:38.14 | jelly-home | !tell KickstartUF about selftell |
| 02:38.36 | KickstartUF | sorry, I am really not an IRC user |
| 02:40.35 | jcl | ive never used irc at all |
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| 02:43.37 | deadcat_ | larsl: i use losetup with dmcrypt |
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| 02:44.31 | deadcat_ | larsl: i losetup then cryptsetup then mount the device |
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| 02:52.58 | jerry | deb and ian - |
| 02:53.42 | deadcat_ | U R slow |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | you're dumb :) |
| 02:53.53 | deadcat_ | (= |
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| 02:55.00 | Perdignus | Is it correct that "dpkg -P somepkg" only marks something for removal but nothing is deleted until one issues the "dpkg -ra" command? |
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| 02:55.21 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:56.08 | Perdignus | abrotman: please ellaborate about what was wrong with my statement |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | it was just wrong :) |
| 02:57.50 | jerry | deadcat: maybee |
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| 02:58.03 | ice63 | abrotman: were can i go read on how to use wget ? |
| 02:58.12 | stoned | it wasn't a statement, it was a question |
| 02:58.18 | stoned | and no, you are not correct |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | ice63: man wget ? |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | Perdignus: if there are no dependency issues .. it will remove it right away |
| 02:58.30 | ice63 | abrotman: ok |
| 02:58.54 | ice63 | abrotman: thank you :) |
| 02:58.57 | stoned | abrotman's the man |
| 02:59.07 | jerry | abrotman: maybee |
| 02:59.21 | abrotman | not you |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | stoned: i'm a bot! |
| 02:59.30 | stoned | lol |
| 02:59.33 | stoned | oh yeah, thats right |
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| 03:00.19 | Perdignus | abrotman: so when I do a "dpkg -l" and notice some items marked as "pi", it means that it was marked for removal but due to dependency issues it's still installed? |
| 03:00.36 | exobyte | Can I set up a vlan off a bridge (like.. br0) |
| 03:00.48 | deadcat_ | jerry: not maybe. it seems like it |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | Perdignus: you asked for it to be removed/purged .. but yes .. still installed ... |
| 03:01.53 | plediii | I just upgraded a bunch of packages on my system, and now when I make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux, I get a bunch of scripts/basic/fixdep errors. I've tried reinstalling the linux-source package. What else can I do? |
| 03:02.24 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a good sound server? |
| 03:02.35 | Perdignus | plediii: do you have ncurses installed? |
| 03:03.03 | plediii | Perdignus: yeah, libncurses5 |
| 03:03.05 | jcl | libncurses5-dev, specifically |
| 03:03.09 | psychonate | How's esd? |
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| 03:03.11 | gniretar | hi all |
| 03:03.33 | plediii | I had similar problems with make xconfig |
| 03:03.36 | gniretar | i'm getting this error message when plugging in my external FireWire hard drive into my Linux box. anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:03.38 | Perdignus | plediii: post the errors to pastebin |
| 03:03.39 | karmatronic | psychonate, jackd |
| 03:03.48 | karmatronic | psychonate, the best ! |
| 03:03.53 | gniretar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.53 | gniretar | Jan 12 20:31:53 ihmres kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical block 40019445 |
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| 03:04.37 | plediii | Perdignus: Can I paste them to you? I'd have to reboot to get x running again. |
| 03:04.37 | aTypical | Hello. When I cat /etc/issue it says I have Debian 4.0. Is that the same as testing? |
| 03:05.46 | plediii | actually, maybe I can use w3m |
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| 03:09.33 | plediii | hmm, I found something on a forum that said install libc6-dev. It seems to have worked |
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| 03:11.49 | scruffy | aTypical: did you just install? if not, if apt is configured, see what your /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing to. |
| 03:12.38 | plediii | and magically, I must not have had libncurses-dev either. |
| 03:12.51 | aTypical | Ah, good call scruffy~! |
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| 03:16.37 | Perdignus | plediii: as I suspected :P |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | aTypical: currently they are the same .. if you're pointing at etch .. you'll stay on etch .. if you're pointing at testing .. you'll track that instead |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | erm .. you'll stay on etch when it is released as stable |
| 03:20.42 | aTypical | Thanks, abrotman. I know nothing about Debian. |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | !debian |
| 03:20.50 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 03:22.24 | aTypical | How would I search my existing install for specific packages? |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | man apt-cache |
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| 03:24.36 | abrotman | !tell hcq0411 about root |
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| 03:30.54 | gniretar | anyone know anything about firewire? |
| 03:30.59 | gniretar | i cant get it running on my box |
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| 03:31.05 | abrotman | it works with cables .. aka wires |
| 03:31.13 | gniretar | i have all the modules loaded but no devices are working properly |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | dmesg say anything useful ? |
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| 03:31.34 | gniretar | hold on, allow me to get teh proper error messages |
| 03:31.52 | gniretar | Jan 12 20:31:53 ihmres kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 03:31.52 | gniretar | Jan 12 20:31:53 ihmres kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical block 40019445 |
| 03:32.09 | gniretar | that is in response to pluggin in an external FireWire hard disk |
| 03:32.22 | corp-mule | Oh when the Saint's... go marching in ... |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | i don't own firewire devices .. but that seems bad ... |
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| 03:32.30 | abrotman | corp-mule: i'm so excited! |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | gniretar: which kernel ? |
| 03:32.42 | psychonate | it's only the third |
| 03:32.50 | gniretar | 2.6.17 |
| 03:32.55 | gniretar | Debian Testing build |
| 03:33.02 | abrotman | i know .. but god damn it .. i'm so sick of seeing "The Eagles are a superbowl contender" in the damned paper |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | gniretar: you should have the 2.6.18 |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | gniretar: but i'm not sure it will fix your issue |
| 03:33.29 | psychonate | You watch the Colts - Ravens game earlier? |
| 03:33.32 | gniretar | yea, i doubt it. thi happened on my ucstom kernel that i had earlier |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:33.33 | psychonate | not a single touchdown |
| 03:33.38 | corp-mule | abrotman: me too! |
| 03:33.39 | gniretar | that was a good game |
| 03:33.43 | abrotman | gniretar: did you try a debian kernel ? |
| 03:33.48 | corp-mule | yes sir! |
| 03:33.49 | psychonate | it was decent |
| 03:33.50 | abrotman | corp-mule: the paper or you watched it ? :) |
| 03:33.50 | gniretar | thats what i'm running now |
| 03:33.55 | corp-mule | A hell of a gme |
| 03:34.00 | corp-mule | watching |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | i wouldn't call it a hell of a game .. |
| 03:34.15 | abrotman | the saints are *way* outplaying the eagles |
| 03:34.44 | corp-mule | I don't know if they're 'out playing' them or not |
| 03:34.48 | corp-mule | it's a really good game |
| 03:34.54 | abrotman | if you subtract a long run and a long pass .. it's not even close |
| 03:35.23 | corp-mule | I have to admit ... I've been flipping through the channels and I've missed some of it |
| 03:35.49 | corp-mule | the Saint's have dispappointed me soooo many times... it's hard to watch it all ;) |
| 03:35.54 | gniretar | i'm gonna build a Linus kernel and see what happens |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | stallworth had a 75yd reception and westbrook had a 62yd run ... |
| 03:36.03 | gniretar | gscanbus is throwing errors as well |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | gniretar: how about you try a debian kernel ? |
| 03:36.07 | gniretar | i know this car works |
| 03:36.12 | gniretar | though i havent used it in a long while |
| 03:36.23 | gniretar | abrotman: thats what i'm on right now |
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| 03:36.29 | abrotman | gniretar: you just said you weren't |
| 03:36.33 | HomeRoey | hi |
| 03:36.34 | abrotman | gniretar: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 03:36.38 | corp-mule | 27 to 21 ... Saints are WINNING! |
| 03:36.45 | gniretar | abrotman: i said i used to have a custom one that didnt work |
| 03:37.09 | gniretar | Linux ihmres 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:37.10 | HomeRoey | anyone here know anything about sound cards? I've connected my onkyo tx-sr603x receiver to my mobo's onboard via digital-out via coax. How do I get sound to come out of this thing?? |
| 03:37.19 | psychonate | Burning something from a remote NFS drive. Think I'll get a coaster? |
| 03:37.28 | abrotman | gniretar: there's a newer debian one available .. install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:38.18 | gniretar | linux-image-2.6-686-smp is already the newest version. |
| 03:38.36 | Ariel_Calzada | hi all, i have hda-intel soundcard and want to know if there is a solution for master muting while speakers are connected |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | psychonate: do you have one of those shared IDE/ethernet controllers ? |
| 03:38.36 | gniretar | hold on, i'l grab my sources.list and make sire it is correct |
| 03:38.37 | abrotman | gniretar: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:38.55 | gniretar | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:38.56 | psychonate | abrotman, er, don't think so; honestly, I don't know much about that sort of thing |
| 03:39.01 | gniretar | is that the correct line for testing? |
| 03:39.12 | gniretar | i did an apt-get update hours ago |
| 03:39.12 | abrotman | for 'etch' .. yes |
| 03:39.33 | abrotman | gniretar: apt-get -u dist-upgrade .. is it going to install a newer kernel ? |
| 03:39.34 | gniretar | etch is the current testing right? |
| 03:39.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:39.45 | gniretar | finished one of those about 30 minuts ago ;-) |
| 03:39.54 | gniretar | u sure the new kernel isnt in unstable? |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | gniretar: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-686 | tail -1 |
| 03:40.03 | psychonate | K3B claims success, but it has lied to me in the past |
| 03:40.05 | abrotman | gniretar: yes .. I'm sure |
| 03:40.12 | abrotman | psychonate: stop using kde :) |
| 03:40.17 | psychonate | abrotman, I don't |
| 03:40.20 | psychonate | just K3B |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 03:40.30 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+5 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 03:40.31 | gniretar | ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+5 Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 03:40.34 | stoned | sweet jesus |
| 03:40.39 | stoned | I finally get to eat fter almost 2 days |
| 03:40.39 | psychonate | abrotman, I'm an IceWM + rox man |
| 03:40.46 | stoned | ice rox |
| 03:40.49 | stoned | :D |
| 03:40.52 | psychonate | stoned, eh, why are you fasting? |
| 03:40.53 | gniretar | dpkg disagrees with uname.... |
| 03:40.56 | gniretar | i think i need to reboot |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | have you been playing outside ? |
| 03:40.57 | gniretar | lol |
| 03:41.12 | gniretar | i bet i upgraded it and forgot to reboot |
| 03:41.17 | stoned | psychonate, nah, i had no food in the house and the store is too far to wlak and streets are too iced for me to drive and its too cold outside |
| 03:41.21 | HomeRoey | hi? |
| 03:41.26 | stoned | psychonate, I just figured i'd spend the money and order pizza |
| 03:41.31 | abrotman | gniretar: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 03:41.39 | stoned | I'm kinda on a budget these days |
| 03:41.51 | stoned | thinkin about putting a ring on someone's finger |
| 03:41.52 | stoned | :) |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | so you bought pizza? :) |
| 03:42.10 | psychonate | stoned, I know how you can kill two birds with one stone here: |
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| 03:42.19 | psychonate | stoned, buy a cracker jack box with a ring in it |
| 03:42.25 | psychonate | voila |
| 03:42.30 | stoned | if they're in a row and the stone is shot at a high velocity and is really sharp |
| 03:42.30 | stoned | ? |
| 03:42.33 | stoned | oh |
| 03:42.35 | stoned | hehe |
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| 03:45.22 | psychonate | I need this game to end so I can watch Aguirre |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | just turn it off |
| 03:45.50 | ice63 | ) |
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| 03:46.03 | psychonate | abrotman, that is perhaps not the solution I was looking for :( |
| 03:46.28 | abrotman | psychonate: let me solve it for you .. saints score .. eagles go three and out .. saints run down the clock .. game over! |
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| 03:47.00 | psychonate | abrotman, you should set up a little online betting ring on FreeNode that uses paypal |
| 03:47.08 | abrotman | no freaking way |
| 03:47.12 | psychonate | ha |
| 03:47.26 | psychonate | well, you seemed awful confident in the Saints |
| 03:47.49 | abrotman | i just want the eagles to be done! |
| 03:48.05 | psychonate | they shall fly evermore |
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| 03:49.20 | abrotman | my premonition has failed me! |
| 03:49.24 | psychonate | As for Baltimore, as Poe says, "Quoth the raven, 'nevermore'" |
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| 03:52.52 | daya | what is the site for dc7 |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | debconf.org |
| 03:54.43 | daya | abrotman, thanks a lot |
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| 03:58.22 | Ariel_Calzada | hello any can help with hda-intel soundcard |
| 03:58.36 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:58.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:59.39 | Ariel_Calzada | i hace a problem with hda-intel if i connect headphones the sound is not muted in pcm and master and i hear in the headphones too |
| 03:59.52 | Ariel_Calzada | i have debian etch 2.6.18 |
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| 04:00.11 | Ariel_Calzada | i have hp pavilion dv2125la |
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| 04:00.27 | KuJaX | What is the command to install a specific version of php? Right now php is 4.3.9 but I need 5.1.4. ? |
| 04:01.05 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: did u get my question? |
| 04:01.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:01.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | yes ... i see it .. but sound isn't muted .. this is bad ? |
| 04:02.11 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: i mean when you connect headphones you must stop listening in the speakers |
| 04:02.26 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: you're saying sound is coming out of both ? |
| 04:02.47 | Ariel_Calzada | yes |
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| 04:02.51 | abrotman | isn't that normal ? |
| 04:03.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. i guess not |
| 04:03.30 | abrotman | you sure it's plugged in all the way / |
| 04:03.35 | abrotman | and in the correct jack ? |
| 04:03.39 | Ariel_Calzada | yes |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | which module do you use ? |
| 04:03.49 | Ariel_Calzada | i have read all forums about this topic |
| 04:04.18 | Ariel_Calzada | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.35 | Ariel_Calzada | i have compiled latest alsa driver |
| 04:05.09 | abrotman | if you play with the volumes .. can you get one or the other to turn off while the other works ? |
| 04:05.13 | abrotman | and have you asked #alsa ? |
| 04:05.25 | linux_den | I have the Debian DVD. Anybody know why it has to download from internet? |
| 04:05.37 | krazykit | linux_den: to get updated packages |
| 04:05.39 | abrotman | because you're using an internet source |
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| 04:06.08 | Ariel_Calzada | i haven't ask #alsa, i will, i have played with volume but my mixer doesn't show more controls just PCM and Master |
| 04:06.20 | abrotman | that doesn't seem right |
| 04:06.35 | abrotman | psychonate: i didn't see that coming! |
| 04:07.52 | polishkoop | I'm running debian etch and im trying to get my bcm4306 wireless card to work. I read it has native support, but I ended up having to use fwcutter to get the firmware. I did all that, and configurd it in my interfaces file... but it won't connect to my network. Any ideas? |
| 04:08.10 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: what do you recommend me |
| 04:08.11 | abrotman | not all 43xx devices are supported |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: ask #alsa |
| 04:08.29 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: ok thanks a lot |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: or wait here for someone else that might know more ... |
| 04:08.39 | polishkoop | im pretty sure 4306 is, i read a tutorial that was focused on the 4306... so I am assuming it can end up working |
| 04:08.46 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: the only quirks i've seen is when they are reversed |
| 04:08.56 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 04:08.56 | dpkg | well, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 04:09.09 | abrotman | that site has been down for a while |
| 04:09.48 | polishkoop | abrotman: so am i screwed? |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | which sucks .. because it was useful :) |
| 04:10.01 | psychonate | abrotman, here we goes |
| 04:10.01 | abrotman | polishkoop: i wouldn't say that .. i just can't get to the site to see if it's supported |
| 04:10.03 | linux_den | i am installing on 2nd pc it is asking for mail setup. do i need exim if all i will use is thunderbird for email? Please |
| 04:10.21 | linux_den | using as desktop system only |
| 04:10.25 | psychonate | haha |
| 04:10.56 | polishkoop | abrotman: I also tried using ndiswrapper, but I couldn't seem to get the wlan0 interface to appear in iwconfig. |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | i don't know anything about ndiswrapper .. i'm fortunate enough to not have to use it |
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| 04:11.36 | Clairp | Hi, what is the way to use a default kernel boot using grub? |
| 04:11.53 | polishkoop | abrotman: i've used ndiswrapper with sarge on this card and i got it to work. I would assume it would work with a more updated version of debian... |
| 04:12.12 | abrotman | god damn it . i can't even get google cache to work |
| 04:12.16 | corp-mule | Who Dat! |
| 04:13.07 | abrotman | psychonate: now is the time on sprockets when we dance! |
| 04:13.37 | linux_den | I am starting to wonder if debian actually works |
| 04:13.44 | abrotman | works for me! |
| 04:13.50 | linux_den | good for you |
| 04:13.56 | corp-mule | Now is the time Saints fans dance! |
| 04:14.00 | corp-mule | :) |
| 04:14.02 | abrotman | linux_den: yes .. you need exim |
| 04:14.10 | linux_den | thanks |
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| 04:14.32 | corp-mule | why isn't exim used in knoppix? |
| 04:14.41 | abrotman | linux_den: the MTA is used to deliver you messages about your system |
| 04:14.45 | abrotman | corp-mule: ask them |
| 04:14.54 | corp-mule | awe ... okay |
| 04:14.59 | corp-mule | :) |
| 04:15.11 | linux_den | but after it said it finished install i can login I type startx and get nasty error message. no home/denis xsesion |
| 04:15.15 | linux_den | what the |
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| 04:15.20 | abrotman | linux_den: did you install X ? |
| 04:15.48 | corp-mule | I was able to config exim to speak to my isp's mail server but... .I couldn't get sendmail to do it. exim was easy. It's cool. |
| 04:16.54 | corp-mule | speak = authenticate |
| 04:16.54 | linux_den | I went thru the install it asked about video card so on |
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| 04:16.54 | linux_den | I thought I did |
| 04:16.54 | abrotman | linux_den: which WM did you install ? |
| 04:16.55 | psychonate | abrotman, congrats, sir |
| 04:16.55 | KuJaX | What is the command to install a specific version of php? Right now php is 4.3.9 but I need 5.1.4. ? |
| 04:16.58 | abrotman | psychonate: i congratulate the great city of philadelphia :) |
| 04:17.03 | psychonate | haha |
| 04:17.07 | abrotman | psychonate: middletown is no place for an eagles fan! |
| 04:17.21 | psychonate | abrotman, I'm not a fan :) |
| 04:17.24 | linux_den | I did not give me any options |
| 04:17.28 | psychonate | abrotman, I live in Pittsburgh now btw |
| 04:17.30 | abrotman | linux_den: which WM do you want ? |
| 04:17.31 | corp-mule | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! Whot Dat! Who Dat! |
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| 04:17.39 | abrotman | psychonate: i thought you were from middletown (near h-burg) |
| 04:17.44 | psychonate | yeah |
| 04:17.46 | linux_den | xfce would be nice |
| 04:17.49 | abrotman | psychonate: you were ? |
| 04:17.54 | psychonate | abrotman, moved to Pitt for University |
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| 04:18.01 | abrotman | linux_den: apt-cache search xfce .. install the one you want |
| 04:18.13 | abrotman | psychonate: ah .. my brother lives there .. my other brother went to Pitt too .. |
| 04:18.19 | linux_den | will try that now |
| 04:18.29 | abrotman | psychonate: you don't play Ultimate or do LARP do you ? |
| 04:18.39 | psychonate | abrotman, nope |
| 04:18.46 | abrotman | then you'll never see either of them :) |
| 04:18.58 | linux_den | there are many any suggestions |
| 04:19.01 | abrotman | psychonate: we've got a few guys in here from pitt |
| 04:19.06 | linux_den | WM |
| 04:19.06 | abrotman | linux_den: on etch ? |
| 04:19.25 | abrotman | install xfce4 |
| 04:19.25 | linux_den | latest 3.1 release |
| 04:19.30 | linux_den | OK |
| 04:19.33 | abrotman | uhm .. i think sarge has xfce4 |
| 04:19.40 | psychonate | abrotman, I believe it. I meant one guy using Debian already in a class on Chaucer heh |
| 04:19.40 | abrotman | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 04:19.43 | psychonate | who'd a thunk it |
| 04:19.47 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 04:19.49 | abrotman | psychonate: weird ... |
| 04:19.59 | psychonate | anyway, I'll celebrate the game with a smoke |
| 04:20.00 | psychonate | dieu |
| 04:20.03 | psychonate | adieu |
| 04:20.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:20.16 | abrotman | psychonate: go to the church brewery and enjoy! |
| 04:20.46 | Vich | can someone give me a list of things to install after the base debian etch system to get xorg and kde up and running |
| 04:20.53 | Vich | i.e. what to apt-get and install? |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | apt-get install xorg kde kdm |
| 04:21.02 | abrotman | or aptitude .. whichever you prefer |
| 04:21.09 | biatche | anyone here think JFS is unreliable? |
| 04:21.15 | linux_den | ok intalling xfce see what happens now |
| 04:21.32 | abrotman | biatche: you'll find someone that says that about every filesystem |
| 04:22.00 | linux_den | I got a desktop |
| 04:22.02 | linux_den | thanks |
| 04:22.11 | Vich | thanks abrotman |
| 04:22.16 | abrotman | linux_den: all good ? |
| 04:22.28 | biatche | kinda true, well, this gonna be real hard to decide... ive been using xfs all along, this time i think i cant use it for 'a reason' so im looking for an alternative |
| 04:22.43 | HomeRoey | hi |
| 04:22.46 | linux_den | good to have chat during this critical time thanks |
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| 04:22.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:22.53 | linux_den | One more question |
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| 04:23.03 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 04:23.04 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 04:23.12 | HomeRoey | for some reason I only get sound to one earpiece of the headphone when I have it connected to my onboard mobo's socket. what's going on? |
| 04:23.27 | abrotman | HomeRoey: could be a busted socket |
| 04:23.31 | abrotman | or busted headphones |
| 04:23.32 | HomeRoey | oh? |
| 04:23.42 | abrotman | try other headphones or another system |
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| 04:23.45 | HomeRoey | theheadphones work fine when I connect it to the sblive socket. |
| 04:23.49 | abrotman | HomeRoey: it *could be* |
| 04:23.53 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 04:23.55 | linux_den | to install debian do we have to explicitely ask for windows manager? |
| 04:24.10 | abrotman | linux_den: you mean after you've installed debian ? |
| 04:24.10 | linux_den | or did i just miss it |
| 04:24.10 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 04:24.18 | linux_den | yes |
| 04:24.21 | HomeRoey | abrotman: so now I'm thinking of how to get my digi-out working. |
| 04:24.26 | Clairp | I try to compile a custom kernel, on cd /boot I use this command |
| 04:25.24 | abrotman | linux_den: there's a small utility you can use .. but really it's better to do it manually IMO |
| 04:25.24 | HomeRoey | on that onboard via socket. |
| 04:25.24 | Clairp | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.19.2-grsec 2.6.19.2-grsec |
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| 04:25.25 | Clairp | but there is no output, seems to works, but file does not create, any idea? |
| 04:25.25 | linux_den | now I know thank you |
| 04:25.25 | scruffy | HomeRoey: sblive and motherboard socket? are you using two different sound devices? |
| 04:25.25 | Clairp | How can I create a initrd image for a custom kernel?? |
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| 04:26.20 | abrotman | you could use make-kpkg |
| 04:26.44 | HomeRoey | scruffy: I have an sblive card and my motherboard has this onboard via sound chip. |
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| 04:28.08 | Clairp | abrotman: why? |
| 04:28.09 | scruffy | HomeRoey: is you're running alsa soundsystem, you might be able to twiddle with your alsa config for the via device. hard to tell what is going on. |
| 04:28.19 | HomeRoey | right, 'might'. |
| 04:28.20 | scruffy | HomeRoey: is -> if |
| 04:28.27 | HomeRoey | that's the big thing I have been tackling for the past four hours. |
| 04:29.01 | scruffy | HomeRoey: I think I can give you a config for the sblive, but I have no idea about the other device |
| 04:29.13 | HomeRoey | I have a live! value, which has no digital out. |
| 04:29.19 | scruffy | HomeRoey: but I suppose the sblive is working fine? |
| 04:29.32 | scruffy | HomeRoey: ah, sorry |
| 04:29.37 | HomeRoey | I have the digital-out on my onboard via sound controller going out to the receiver's digital in. |
| 04:29.42 | HomeRoey | sblive works, yeah. |
| 04:30.58 | linux_den | any quick suggestions for screen resolution adjustments on debian with xfce |
| 04:31.01 | HomeRoey | scruffy: I want to make the onboard VIA sound chip send to the receiver. |
| 04:31.05 | HomeRoey | digitally. |
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| 04:31.14 | enigmaa | hi there |
| 04:31.23 | enigmaa | Im trying to make install with the sudo command |
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| 04:31.32 | scruffy | HomeRoey: sorry, I can't help you there |
| 04:31.34 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 04:31.36 | HomeRoey | thanks anyway |
| 04:31.36 | enigmaa | if i have the sudo command i cant execute root commands, can i? |
| 04:31.44 | abrotman | some of them .. |
| 04:31.51 | abrotman | enigmaa: is this on ubuntu ? |
| 04:31.57 | enigmaa | no, debian |
| 04:32.08 | enigmaa | i get this: |
| 04:32.09 | enigmaa | miguel@youve:~/zcw$ sudo make install |
| 04:32.09 | enigmaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.09 | enigmaa | make: *** [install] Error 1 |
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| 04:32.10 | abrotman | sudo doesn't mean you have all the same rights |
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| 04:32.17 | abrotman | sudo doesn't mean you have all the same rights |
| 04:32.25 | enigmaa | sorry for the paste |
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| 04:32.51 | gniretar | try su -c |
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| 04:33.16 | enigmaa | miguel@youve:~/zcw$ su -c make install |
| 04:33.16 | enigmaa | Unknown id: install |
| 04:33.43 | abrotman | put 'make install; |
| 04:33.46 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 04:33.48 | abrotman | put 'make install' |
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| 04:35.10 | enigmaa | it asks me for a password, is that the root password? |
| 04:35.18 | pe3r | yes |
| 04:35.21 | pe3r | oh no |
| 04:35.25 | pe3r | your password |
| 04:35.32 | enigmaa | it wont let me with mine |
| 04:35.44 | pe3r | then use root passwd |
| 04:36.05 | abrotman | enigmaa: yes root |
| 04:36.11 | buu | su; is the root password |
| 04:36.13 | buu | sudo; is your password. |
| 04:36.14 | enigmaa | k, thanks |
| 04:36.24 | buu | Unless you're using su to switch to another user. |
| 04:36.34 | abrotman | but he's not |
| 04:36.46 | enigmaa | so i cant make install with sudo? |
| 04:36.50 | enigmaa | just with su |
| 04:38.00 | gniretar | hey |
| 04:38.04 | section31 | how can i tell if my network interface is using a gateway...I added the gateway line with address in the interfaces file and then i restarted it..but i still can't connect to the internet |
| 04:38.07 | gniretar | abrotman: I upgraded m kernel |
| 04:38.14 | abrotman | and now ? |
| 04:38.14 | gniretar | abrotman: now i jsut cant write to it |
| 04:38.25 | scruffy | section31: have a look at `route -n` |
| 04:38.25 | abrotman | gniretar: check perms on the mount point |
| 04:38.40 | gniretar | abrotman: i cant write teh the device node itself (/dev/sda) |
| 04:38.46 | abrotman | you don't want to |
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| 04:38.53 | gniretar | abrotman: i need to partition it |
| 04:39.00 | abrotman | gniretar: i thought it was already sda3 ? |
| 04:39.18 | gniretar | abrotman: it has a mac partiton table. i did it with my OSX box. i wanna redo it |
| 04:39.19 | section31 | scruffy, doesn't look right |
| 04:39.21 | section31 | how can i fix it |
| 04:39.40 | scruffy | section31: did you add the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:39.40 | abrotman | gniretar: eh .. dmesg say anything useful ? |
| 04:39.47 | section31 | scruffy, i sure did |
| 04:39.50 | gniretar | abrotman: i'm starting fron scratch. the device node perms are 550 |
| 04:40.03 | abrotman | no |
| 04:40.10 | gniretar | nothing on dmesg |
| 04:40.13 | abrotman | that would be r-xr-x--- |
| 04:40.14 | scruffy | section31: is the interface up? check ifconfig for eth0 |
| 04:40.17 | gniretar | my bad |
| 04:40.21 | gniretar | they are 660 |
| 04:40.29 | section31 | scruffy, yeah i'm connected remotely via the lan... |
| 04:40.37 | section31 | and i checked ifconfig, the interface is up |
| 04:40.40 | abrotman | gniretar: is the sd_mod loaded ? |
| 04:40.53 | scruffy | section31: but... you can't reach the internet? |
| 04:40.58 | gniretar | yes |
| 04:40.59 | gniretar | it is |
| 04:41.02 | section31 | scruffy, no i can't |
| 04:41.04 | abrotman | and still no sda ? |
| 04:41.05 | gniretar | ihmres:~# lsmod | grep sd_mod |
| 04:41.05 | gniretar | sd_mod 19040 0 |
| 04:41.05 | gniretar | scsi_mod 124168 2 sd_mod,sbp2 |
| 04:41.10 | gniretar | sda is there |
| 04:41.15 | gniretar | i jut catn write |
| 04:41.17 | gniretar | fdisk wownt let me |
| 04:41.19 | abrotman | gniretar: oh .. as root .. fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 04:41.22 | scruffy | section31: what does route -n show for the gateway? blank? |
| 04:41.34 | abrotman | gniretar: is this just a normal disk ? |
| 04:41.40 | gniretar | Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 04:41.40 | scruffy | section31: have you restarted networking via /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 04:41.49 | gniretar | its a IDE disk in a external Firewire case |
| 04:41.50 | section31 | scruffy, it shows 2 lines. .. |
| 04:41.59 | gniretar | i need to reinit the partition table |
| 04:42.10 | abrotman | gniretar: and when you use fdisk or cfdisk .. it won't save it on the disk ? |
| 04:42.13 | scruffy | section31: sure you don't mean 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 04:42.14 | section31 | scruffy, and yes i've restarted the |
| 04:42.43 | section31 | scruffy, yeah i'm sure thats the right gateway |
| 04:43.11 | gniretar | abrotman: nope it errors |
| 04:43.12 | scruffy | section31: ping 192.168.0.1 give echoes? |
| 04:43.13 | section31 | scruffy, i can ping that address |
| 04:43.25 | scruffy | section31: can 192.168.0.1 get out? |
| 04:43.34 | abrotman | gniretar: what's the error ? |
| 04:43.38 | section31 | yup i'm connected to that same router |
| 04:43.41 | section31 | and i'm accessing the internet |
| 04:43.44 | scruffy | section31: does 192.168.0.1 have a packet filter? |
| 04:43.49 | gniretar | Unable to write /dev/sda |
| 04:44.06 | section31 | scruffy, nope no packet filter...it's just a plain router that was working |
| 04:44.08 | jetscreamer | don't you write to sda1 or so? |
| 04:44.12 | biatche | say i want samba with acl support... do i need to enable acl on the fs and kernel? |
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| 04:44.20 | biatche | must i add it to fstab? |
| 04:44.22 | section31 | before and just stopped when i made some modifcations to the ip addresses |
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| 04:44.31 | fantomas | hi. Is there a pppoe server for debian? |
| 04:44.51 | abrotman | gniretar: and you are root .. right ? |
| 04:44.57 | section31 | scruffy, is ifconfig supposed to show my gateway address |
| 04:44.58 | section31 | cause it doesn't |
| 04:45.01 | scruffy | section31: so I'm assuming you're using a machine as a gateway, which has a DSL/cable device connected to it, and you're trying to surf through 192.168.0.1 -> DSL/cable device -> Internet? |
| 04:45.05 | gniretar | abrotman: yes |
| 04:45.10 | abrotman | fantomas: a dialup server ? |
| 04:45.16 | gniretar | ihmres:~# whoami |
| 04:45.16 | gniretar | root |
| 04:45.21 | fantomas | abrotman: yes. |
| 04:45.28 | scruffy | section31: nope ifconfig shouldn't show a gateway |
| 04:45.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure a pppoe server differs from a ppp server |
| 04:45.53 | abrotman | gniretar: i doubt the perms on the device have anything to do with it ... |
| 04:45.54 | section31 | scruffy, i'm using a windows machine connected to a router, and i'm connected via shell to my linux box here thats also connected to the router |
| 04:46.03 | gniretar | abrotman: i get the same feeling |
| 04:46.10 | abrotman | gniretar: it's rw-rw---- right ? |
| 04:46.19 | gniretar | abrotman: yes |
| 04:46.38 | scruffy | section31: the router might only be set up to hand out one IP address (limited to one mac address) |
| 04:46.43 | gniretar | ihmres:~# ls -la /dev| grep sda |
| 04:46.44 | gniretar | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2007-01-13 18:26 sda |
| 04:46.49 | abrotman | gniretar: that seems right |
| 04:47.05 | scruffy | section31: I'm assuming the router is serving up DHCP, and the router is provided by an ISP? |
| 04:47.17 | gniretar | hmmmm |
| 04:47.19 | gniretar | this is wierd |
| 04:47.28 | abrotman | yes! |
| 04:47.38 | section31 | scruffy, how do i set my interface to auto assign ip...what do i add in the interfaces file |
| 04:47.42 | gniretar | ihmres:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 04:47.42 | gniretar | dd: opening `/dev/sda': Read-only file system |
| 04:47.44 | section31 | i'm going to try that |
| 04:48.09 | scruffy | section31: I don't understand the question, can you elaborate? |
| 04:48.28 | abrotman | gniretar: is there a hardware lock on it |
| 04:48.29 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:48.37 | section31 | scruffy, well right now i have everything static..and is it possible for me to make my interface lookup the gateway and ask for an ip |
| 04:48.39 | gniretar | abrotman: not that i know of |
| 04:48.56 | section31 | just like windows does...auto assigns |
| 04:49.00 | abrotman | gniretar: if you plug it in on another box .. you can partition it ? |
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| 04:49.20 | gniretar | abrotman: i dont have another linux box |
| 04:49.37 | gniretar | abrotman: works great on my OSX box |
| 04:49.45 | abrotman | that eliminates hardware :) |
| 04:49.49 | scruffy | section31: set the eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces to iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:49.58 | cornernote | hello, i am using the netinst distro but i dont think my network card is supported... do i have to get the full cd distro or is there a way to load int he driver from floppy or something ? |
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| 04:50.33 | jetscreamer | 4 floppies iirc |
| 04:50.44 | jetscreamer | instead of the netinst cd |
| 04:50.59 | abrotman | did you try both kernels ? |
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| 04:51.22 | gniretar | abrotman: every oen so far. I'm not done with the Linux kernel yet tho |
| 04:51.23 | scruffy | section31: and make sure eth0 is on the 'auto' line with lo. |
| 04:51.41 | gniretar | erm |
| 04:51.42 | abrotman | gniretar: any entries in your fstab ? |
| 04:51.47 | gniretar | the Linus kernel |
| 04:51.57 | abrotman | he plays piano .. what does he know |
| 04:52.07 | gniretar | abrotman: nope, enver mounted this thing on this box |
| 04:52.21 | cornernote | jetscreamer: if i use 4 floppies, can i get my ethernet driver loaded in it ? |
| 04:52.28 | gniretar | never* |
| 04:53.06 | section31 | scruffy, well that works |
| 04:53.09 | section31 | when i set it to dhcp |
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| 04:53.18 | section31 | goign to try changing it back to static |
| 04:53.22 | scruffy | section31: great, so you're set? |
| 04:53.35 | scruffy | section31: why would you think changing it back would work? :) |
| 04:53.43 | [MilMazz] | Hi |
| 04:53.45 | section31 | i don't know |
| 04:53.49 | section31 | i jsut want to figure this out |
| 04:53.55 | section31 | why wouldn't static work |
| 04:53.56 | scruffy | section31: any reason why you don't want to use dhcp? |
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| 04:54.30 | section31 | scruffy, well not really...because i set my router to assignw hatever ip it wants...but it still's troubling me why the static option doesn't work |
| 04:54.32 | section31 | its kililng me here |
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| 04:55.12 | scruffy | section31: well the router might be rejecting it because it's only accepting IPs handed out by dhcp |
| 04:55.32 | section31 | scruffy, i have windows machines connected to the router and ihave them all set to static |
| 04:55.50 | scruffy | section31: I mean, if you have the option in the router itself, if it's managed, you can enter the static route yourself probably |
| 04:56.18 | scruffy | section31: what is the IP of the Windows machine? |
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| 04:56.41 | scruffy | section31: (local IP) |
| 04:56.59 | section31 | scruffy, the ip ranges are from 192.168.0.100-254 |
| 04:57.08 | Clairp | What is the way that the user in linux cannot see other processes by others users? |
| 04:57.10 | Clairp | I am trying to use it via grsecurity, but I cannot find that option |
| 04:58.26 | section31 | scruffy, i think you're right scruffy...looks like the issue was my router |
| 04:58.35 | section31 | looks like my router has to register the mac address first or something |
| 04:58.38 | scruffy | section31: explain? |
| 04:58.46 | cornernote | does anyone know how to load a network card driver during netinst ? |
| 04:58.51 | section31 | i changed it back to static and its working now |
| 04:58.52 | section31 | lol |
| 04:58.57 | scruffy | section31: geeze |
| 04:59.08 | section31 | scruffy, is that very common of routers? |
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| 04:59.31 | scruffy | section31: strange though, yeah it picks up the mac, but it should have done that anyway |
| 04:59.32 | abrotman | you change to the shell terminal .. activate it .. load the module |
| 04:59.43 | scruffy | section31: i.e. regardless |
| 04:59.51 | section31 | scruffy, it didn't ipck up the mac address until i set it to dhc |
| 04:59.52 | section31 | p |
| 04:59.56 | section31 | so that is very odd |
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| 05:00.06 | Clairp | Hi, What is the way that the user in linux cannot see other processes by others users? |
| 05:00.11 | section31 | scruffy, it's a cheap router...just a regular dlink one |
| 05:00.14 | section31 | for me and my room mates |
| 05:00.27 | scruffy | section31: better power cycle the router and restart networking on both machines to be sure that it's fixed |
| 05:00.56 | section31 | scruffy, k thanks for your help |
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| 05:01.13 | scruffy | section31: you pretty much did it yourself :D |
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| 05:01.36 | section31 | scruffy, but you helped me troubleshoot everything plus i learned a few things in the process |
| 05:01.54 | Acu | Hi, how can I know who takes care of Xorg in Debian ? --- I found strange and very different xorg.conf file generated by X -configure compared to that using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:02.00 | LunarCrisis | Is there a command to regenerate the included thumbnail in a .jpeg at a certain size? |
| 05:03.12 | abrotman | convert .. maybe |
| 05:03.25 | abrotman | if i understand your question .. |
| 05:03.32 | abrotman | which.. after reading again .. i don't think i do :) |
| 05:03.49 | abrotman | Acu: you sohuld use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 05:04.59 | Acu | abrotman: this is what I tried first - however for multihead (3 VGA cards or so) only X -configure does it |
| 05:05.36 | abrotman | ok |
| 05:05.40 | abrotman | you can file a bug if you want |
| 05:05.48 | Acu | however, the resolution was way to high and the refresh was too |
| 05:06.15 | LunarCrisis | jpegs can apparently have thumbnail versions of themselves in the file itself, so that things like konqueror or the image browser in digicams can show previews without having to make them on the fly |
| 05:06.23 | Acu | so I needed to modify the xorg to limit the refresh rate and initial resolution |
| 05:06.27 | LunarCrisis | this jpeg's thumbnail is smaller than I'd like =/ |
| 05:06.37 | Acu | abrotman: how can I do that? |
| 05:06.52 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org .. |
| 05:06.56 | abrotman | or use reportbug |
| 05:07.39 | scruffy | Acu: are you positive that is even possible? |
| 05:08.19 | scruffy | Acu: seems like it would produce a 16x16, 32x32, etc when it's created. |
| 05:08.59 | Kuko | hello i was wondering if someone could help me confugire sudo. i just wish for my user to be able to use sudo |
| 05:09.03 | Acu | scruffy: what to be possible? |
| 05:09.05 | Kuko | i cant remember how to do it |
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| 05:09.33 | LunarCrisis | Acu, can't you just remove the higher resolutions from the xorg.conf file? |
| 05:09.33 | scruffy | Acu: resizing an thumbnail that's embedded with in the image (e.g. like the photoshop and gimp do) |
| 05:10.00 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, I think you mean to talk to me |
| 05:10.01 | scruffy | Acu: *sigh* wrong person.. |
| 05:10.09 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: heheh |
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| 05:10.23 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, why wouldn't it be possible? The thumbnail gets there somehow |
| 05:10.39 | LunarCrisis | so I would assume it is possible to change it, in theory at least |
| 05:10.40 | Kuko | anyone at all? |
| 05:10.57 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: yeah, but just because it's created by that application doesn't mean you can resize it.. could be possible, I'm just tossing that out there. |
| 05:11.15 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, I'm not sure I understand |
| 05:11.20 | LunarCrisis | oooh |
| 05:11.25 | Acu | LunarCrisis: the Xorg.conf generated by X -configure has more details for each VGA card - I overcame it by changing the Modes in Monitor Resolution and Refresh rate - now I have three LCDs smiling nice |
| 05:11.32 | cornernote | will netinst work with any network drivers other than those provided ? |
| 05:11.32 | LunarCrisis | you are saying that there might be a set standard thumbnail size |
| 05:11.47 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: I'm just saying because it is created by a application doesn't mean you can then modify the size of the thumbnail itself. |
| 05:11.58 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: I'd say it's a possibility |
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| 05:12.51 | dexemna | I'm having trouble making both video out ports on my video card be different screens in X11 with nvidia drivers |
| 05:12.55 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: it might make several different sizes of thumbnail just for that purpose (displaying at 16x16, 32x32, etc). Ya know what I mean? |
| 05:13.02 | dexemna | Is there an easier way to do this besides hacking my xorg.conf? |
| 05:13.08 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, yeah |
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| 05:13.50 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: 'cause google's not telling me anything on the topic either |
| 05:14.38 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, that's what I'm finding too =( |
| 05:14.57 | LunarCrisis | I can't even find a way to strip the thumbnail without re-encoding the jpeg and losing quality |
| 05:16.43 | Acu | dexemna: what exactly is your problem? both cards show the same screen? |
| 05:16.55 | LunarCrisis | meh, I guess I just re-configure konqueror to ignore the thumbnails, it's kind of annoying having them take up space though =/ |
| 05:17.01 | LunarCrisis | (even if it is only 10k) |
| 05:17.03 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: hang on |
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| 05:18.49 | scruffy | LunarCrisis: nope, I've got nothing. :( |
| 05:19.27 | LunarCrisis | scruffy, thanks anyways |
| 05:19.35 | cld2 | is there anything thats keeping me from just editing /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and changing ARRAY /dev/md0 to md5 ? |
| 05:21.53 | LunarCrisis | ah, looks like I can remove the thumbnail with jpegtran |
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| 05:24.30 | dexemna | Acu: Yeah, and even then it's not working like I'd like it to |
| 05:25.24 | Acu | dexemna: it is easier than you think - can you paste your xorg.conf so I can see it |
| 05:25.35 | dexemna | I know the resolutions, bit depths, and refresh rates I'd like both video output devices to run at, but I don't know how to tell X.Org to use them while simultaneously having them both be separate screens (and Beryl+AIGLX only working on one) |
| 05:25.36 | Acu | !paste dexemna |
| 05:25.36 | dpkg | dexemna: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 05:28.40 | jetscreamer | nvidia-xconfig --twinview |
| 05:28.51 | dexemna | Acu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5077 |
| 05:28.53 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-g.html |
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| 05:30.20 | Acu | dexemna: so it is a single PCI (or AGP) card with two heads? Or you have two physical cards |
| 05:30.34 | dexemna | A single AGP card with 1 VGA and 1 DVI port |
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| 05:31.18 | dexemna | jetscreamer: I thought TwinView was for outputting the same thing on both screens? |
| 05:31.34 | jetscreamer | that's when you set it to clone |
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| 05:31.53 | jetscreamer | twinview is for using the tvout |
| 05:32.04 | jetscreamer | then there's the other method of using the tv out |
| 05:33.30 | jetscreamer | Option "TwinViewOrientation" "<relationship of head 1 to head 0>" |
| 05:33.50 | behanw | The most common use of twinview is having a shared monitor across 2 different monitors. |
| 05:34.00 | behanw | Great for programming and graphics work. |
| 05:34.10 | behanw | Many Engineers use it for EDA work too. |
| 05:34.30 | behanw | Sorry, that should have read a shared desktop across 2 monitors. |
| 05:34.33 | PingFloyd | dexemna: twinview and xinerama are kind of the same paradigm with some differences. twinview is a proprietary approach |
| 05:34.39 | jetscreamer | left,right,above,below,clone |
| 05:34.41 | behanw | Not really |
| 05:34.56 | behanw | xinerama uses a seperate display number for each monitor. |
| 05:35.05 | dexemna | Well I want two different 'desktops' entirely... is that possible with Twinview? |
| 05:35.17 | behanw | Twinview allows you to split a single desktop (one server) across 2 monitors. |
| 05:35.23 | jetscreamer | read the link i pasted |
| 05:35.25 | PingFloyd | behanw: read *with some differences* |
| 05:35.38 | jetscreamer | please see Appendix P, Configuring Multiple X Screens on One Card. |
| 05:36.10 | behanw | PingFloyd: pretty fundamental differences in my book. |
| 05:36.32 | cld2 | is it possible to make your own tasks for tasksel? |
| 05:36.34 | PingFloyd | true, but for most end-users, it's more than they need to know :) |
| 05:36.35 | jetscreamer | then there's xinerama |
| 05:36.35 | behanw | Xinerama is useless for me. |
| 05:36.53 | Acu | dexemna: it seems that you have experts helping you - however there is a very simple change you need to make ("I think ") you need to specify one screen on the left of each other something like : Screen "TFT Screen" LeftOf "Default Screen" |
| 05:37.10 | PingFloyd | I mean when you get right down to it, the ramifications of displays in X is a whole other thing |
| 05:37.12 | dexemna | Xinerama is seemingly just for making multiple physical displays an extension of one logical display |
| 05:37.20 | behanw | Incidentally, in my experience you don't really want to use twinview (except in mirror mode) for watching tv. |
| 05:37.34 | behanw | twinview degrades video playback a lot, althought YMMV |
| 05:37.38 | LoneWlf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.45 | LoneWlf | mufasa |
| 05:38.17 | behanw | ati has it's version of twinview as well. |
| 05:38.32 | behanw | Gotta love 3 different ways of haveing multiple monitors. |
| 05:38.42 | PingFloyd | personally, I would try to stay away from proprietary solutions as much as possible, in general |
| 05:38.44 | behanw | At least twinview plays nice with xinerama. |
| 05:38.49 | jetscreamer | enabling twinview definitely reduces fps in quake |
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| 05:39.22 | PingFloyd | I take it the ati version of it doesn't |
| 05:39.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:39.42 | dexemna | PingFloyd: RIght, but I'm already using nvidia's proprietary drivers |
| 05:39.44 | behanw | Not sure. |
| 05:39.46 | jetscreamer | it probably does, if you can get the fglrx installed |
| 05:39.52 | bosko | Hi, just making sure I'm seeing this right .. Downloading debian from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/, and how big is this thing? I've loaded up 5 torrents and they are all 600~ megs, are all 15 of the torrents this big? |
| 05:39.56 | jetscreamer | dexemna: #nvidia |
| 05:40.02 | behanw | I've never had much luck with ATI cards, so I now stay away from them |
| 05:40.07 | jetscreamer | bosko: nonono |
| 05:40.12 | jetscreamer | get the netinst cd |
| 05:40.18 | jetscreamer | or just the first full cd |
| 05:40.25 | behanw | I try to use intel on servers, and nvidia on mythtv boxes and laptops... |
| 05:40.45 | bosko | Which one is the first full cd? This one debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 05:40.51 | jetscreamer | but yeah a ful cd is 6-700mb |
| 05:40.55 | jetscreamer | yes that one |
| 05:40.57 | behanw | Some people swear by ATI cards though.... |
| 05:40.58 | bosko | ok |
| 05:41.02 | jetscreamer | bosko: |
| 05:41.03 | bosko | so what's in all those other ones? |
| 05:41.12 | krazykit | ack no. ati cards are nothing but trouble |
| 05:41.20 | jetscreamer | you can just get a netinstall cd, unless the box won't be having internet |
| 05:41.31 | Acu | dexemna: I am pasting for you one of my working configuration. However this particular one was generated by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then manually modified - yours seem to be generated trough X -configure (unfortunately that configuration is at work so I cannot paste it now) - but here you are - the server configuration should work - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5078. |
| 05:41.33 | PingFloyd | everything I always hear from linux users is that ATI has been a pain for them |
| 05:41.47 | jetscreamer | cd#1 has the most commonly wanted ones |
| 05:42.11 | krazykit | ati had a really nice bug awhile back where you had to force tv-out off or else x wouldn't work. it also likes to crash x. |
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| 05:42.46 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 05:42.51 | bosko | jetscreamer - So basically, I can install a very plain system from CD1 alone, right? |
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| 05:43.28 | dexemna | okay restarting X11 for testing |
| 05:43.36 | jetscreamer | bosko: actually a not so plain one |
| 05:43.38 | behanw | Incidentally, any one had any luck getting the composite manager running with a GeForce 7900? |
| 05:43.53 | bosko | Ok |
| 05:44.10 | bosko | Is there somewhere I can see what the other CD's contain without downloading them? |
| 05:44.45 | PingFloyd | bosko: do you got broadband? |
| 05:44.46 | jetscreamer | bosko: me myself, i prefer not to use tasksel, at the end (where it ask you about if you want a desktop or a server or others... i take the X's off all those boxes) |
| 05:44.56 | bosko | PingFloyd - I do |
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| 05:45.29 | PingFloyd | save yourself some trouble and do just the base install off the CDs, then install everything else through repos |
| 05:45.40 | bosko | Ok |
| 05:45.51 | PingFloyd | a lot less pain that way anyway |
| 05:45.54 | bosko | hehe |
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| 05:46.17 | jetscreamer | btw that's what i meant about tasksel |
| 05:46.35 | PingFloyd | I just do it through apt and/or aptitude |
| 05:46.45 | cornernote | does netinst work with sata drives ? |
| 05:46.53 | PingFloyd | after the base installation with the installer |
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| 05:47.26 | PingFloyd | the sooner I can get out of the installer, the better :) |
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| 05:47.32 | dexemna | Okay I followed the link's instructions and altered my xorg.conf more but this still isn't working. |
| 05:48.07 | jetscreamer | dexemna: compare yours http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 05:48.10 | dexemna | It's trying to make my first screen a higher resolution than I want and it's not outputting anything on the second screen |
| 05:48.11 | theflyingfool | I am considering switching from ubuntu to debian how much differnce is there |
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| 05:48.20 | jetscreamer | you need metamodes |
| 05:48.43 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: a lot of things |
| 05:49.09 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: it seems that some of the more basic things are very similar though |
| 05:49.14 | dendrite | theflyingfool: The basics are similar, but by no means are the two the same. Why are you considering the switch? |
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| 05:49.42 | scruffy | theflyingfool: if I may ask, why are you switching? |
| 05:50.08 | theflyingfool | scruffy: i think i have learned the basics so i want to try something a bit less easy |
| 05:50.09 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: if you're considering switch out of curiosity, you might think about keep ubuntu on and just installing debian in another set of partitions |
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| 05:50.35 | cornernote | scruffy: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ - gives a 403 error |
| 05:50.39 | scruffy | theflyingfool: although I use Debian, I'd imagine under the hood they're very, very close |
| 05:50.53 | theflyingfool | pinkflyod: can i use my same swap or will i need another one |
| 05:51.03 | cornernote | i think i'll just download cd1 of debian and do a real install... |
| 05:51.07 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: should be able to share the swap |
| 05:51.12 | PingFloyd | and /home |
| 05:51.13 | jetscreamer | they take sid and do their own thing to it |
| 05:51.42 | theflyingfool | does anyone know when the next realease should be? |
| 05:51.45 | PingFloyd | those 2 filesystems seem to usually be shareable without too many problems |
| 05:52.00 | dexemna | OKay restarting X11 again |
| 05:52.13 | PingFloyd | some people even share /boot |
| 05:52.38 | jetscreamer | it should have been in december |
| 05:52.49 | pe3r | is FreeNAS only for windows? |
| 05:53.07 | theflyingfool | i dont use a /boot partion... |
| 05:53.12 | scruffy | cornernote: Ctrl+F here for netinst, then look for sata: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 05:53.37 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: just backup before you install |
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| 05:54.02 | scruffy | cornernote: one of those might work out for you |
| 05:54.05 | theflyingfool | thanks for the info everyone |
| 05:54.10 | dexemna | Didn't work |
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| 05:54.23 | PingFloyd | theflyingfool: np |
| 05:54.46 | jetscreamer | then you did it wrong |
| 05:54.56 | jetscreamer | read the nvidia page |
| 05:55.10 | cornernote | scruffy: is there also an option for loading on an extra ethernet driver ? |
| 05:55.15 | jetscreamer | i think all you need is in the top 1/8th of the page |
| 05:55.31 | dexemna | Do I have to use every uncommented "Option" line in http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian? |
| 05:55.44 | scruffy | cornernote: not sure, I haven't used any installers since 2002 |
| 05:56.17 | dexemna | jetscreamer: Ohh, that xorg.conf uses the nv driver for the second screen |
| 05:56.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:56.32 | dexemna | Should I try that instead of nvidia for both of them? |
| 05:56.33 | jetscreamer | that one isn't selected |
| 05:56.42 | scruffy | cornernote: entirely possible.. by extra, do you mean one not listed in that modules page with the scroll list? |
| 05:56.42 | jetscreamer | you have to follow the flow |
| 05:56.59 | jetscreamer | each section is enabled... jsut because i have a section doesn't mean it's used |
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| 05:57.07 | dexemna | Device"nv6600" |
| 05:57.07 | dexemna | Monitor"Compaq-V70" |
| 05:57.16 | dexemna | His second monitor uses the device that uses the nv driver |
| 05:57.30 | scruffy | cornernote: I would imagine the net installers have a ton of eth drivers |
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| 05:57.45 | jetscreamer | dexemna: no. #Screen"Default-Screen"Screen"Custom-Screen" |
| 05:58.06 | jetscreamer | default is commented out |
| 05:58.08 | pe3r | is FreeNAS only for windows? |
| 05:58.38 | dexemna | Okay so I shouldn't have both of my screens enabled in ServerLayout |
| 05:59.10 | jetscreamer | correct |
| 05:59.12 | cornernote | scruffy: they do have tons, but not mine :( |
| 05:59.27 | jetscreamer | dexemna: that's just if i want to use the nv driver for some reason |
| 05:59.49 | jetscreamer | all i have to do is uncomment default-screen and comment custom-screen |
| 06:00.09 | scruffy | cornernote: optionally, here are instructions on rebuilding the installer with a kernel with your driver built in, if you have have another debian machine around: http://huge.cajones.org/~dick/debian/custom_installer.pdf |
| 06:00.12 | jetscreamer | in the server layout |
| 06:00.30 | cornernote | scruffy: thats the problem, i cant even get 1 debian installed |
| 06:00.44 | cornernote | i read everywhere how easy it is, so it must just be my hardware |
| 06:01.28 | scruffy | cornernote: easy means different things to different people. what nic is it? |
| 06:01.46 | dexemna | jetscreamer: okay here I go again |
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| 06:06.29 | dexemna | jetscreamer: Okay so it's working, but not how I want it to |
| 06:06.56 | jetscreamer | metamodes, probably |
| 06:06.57 | dexemna | jetscreamer: My projector is being the primary display device, and my CRT is only secondary |
| 06:07.06 | jetscreamer | that one you can set also |
| 06:07.12 | jetscreamer | read appendix g |
| 06:07.45 | jetscreamer | connected monitor, i think |
| 06:08.44 | exobyte | this is weird. I did apt-get install ethereal. it worked. I don't have an ethereal binary |
| 06:09.13 | scruffy | exobyte: PATH problem? |
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| 06:09.40 | Acu | dexemna: the resolution is relatively easy fix if you just change in your xorg.conf in the SECTION SCREEN - modes remove the resolutions which you do not want |
| 06:09.51 | scruffy | exobyte: it should be in /usr/bin |
| 06:10.13 | exobyte | scruffy: find / -name ethereal only returned a directory for some docs |
| 06:10.42 | scruffy | exobyte: strange indeed |
| 06:10.50 | jetscreamer | dexemna: actually it might be Option "UseDisplayDevice" "string" |
| 06:10.52 | exobyte | scruffy: agreed |
| 06:10.53 | scruffy | exobyte: sure install exited normally? |
| 06:10.59 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-d.html |
| 06:11.03 | cornernote | scruffy: marvell 8053 |
| 06:11.09 | jetscreamer | dexemna: also, ask in #nvidia |
| 06:11.12 | exobyte | Setting up ethereal (0.99.4-3) ... |
| 06:11.12 | exobyte | debian:~#Setting up ethereal (0.99.4-3) ... |
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| 06:11.47 | exobyte | (oops, one two many pastes) |
| 06:11.57 | jetscreamer | i've never had or wanted to change the 'screen 1' and 'screen 2' up |
| 06:12.16 | scruffy | cornernote: deja vu |
| 06:12.23 | scruffy | cornernote: see if this works: modprobe sk98lin |
| 06:12.27 | exobyte | Setting up ethereal (0.99.4-3) ... |
| 06:12.33 | exobyte | sorry |
| 06:12.48 | scruffy | cornernote: oh nevermind.. you haven't installed yet lol sheesh I might need to go to sleep soon |
| 06:13.12 | scruffy | cornernote: I'm assuming you've tried the install process once? If so, try it again and look for that driver: sk98lin |
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| 06:14.08 | scruffy | exobyte: shell still open? |
| 06:14.44 | scruffy | exobyte: (the same one you ran apt-get in, not a new one) |
| 06:14.48 | jetscreamer | dexemna: or Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "string" |
| 06:14.53 | jetscreamer | one of those |
| 06:15.04 | cornernote | scruffy: i have that driver on the disk it came with |
| 06:15.12 | cornernote | like the motherboard disk |
| 06:15.22 | exobyte | scruffy: yeah |
| 06:15.58 | dexemna | jetscreamer: Okay restarting again |
| 06:16.13 | scruffy | cornernote: it's a driver for the linux kernel? does it specify which version of the kernel? your best bet would be to ignore that disk they provided.. at least I can't imagine the driver they provided working out |
| 06:16.44 | cornernote | scruffy: where should i look for it ? |
| 06:17.00 | scruffy | exobyte: see if `echo $?` says 1 |
| 06:17.21 | scruffy | cornernote: in the net installer |
| 06:17.45 | scruffy | cornernote: or any installer.. you can always install a base system, then get the nic working, then install stuff from the net |
| 06:18.33 | exobyte | scruffy: it's 0 |
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| 06:20.03 | scruffy | exobyte: this looks resolved (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392593). did you run an apt-get update before? are you on stable or testing? |
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| 06:22.44 | scruffy | cornernote: worst case scenario, no installer will get your nic working. In that case, you can install from a burned CD, then transfer the NIC driver over via CD-R or floppy, learn how to build the module yourself, modprobe it, alter /etc/modules, and you should be on your way |
| 06:23.36 | cornernote | scruffy: i am downloading cd1 now.. trying the netinst again while i wait |
| 06:23.42 | cornernote | i'll look for that driver |
| 06:24.34 | lech | hmmm, any suggestions for which packages I would need to get apache2/php/mysql/python rolled out, as aptitude search turns up dozens of each and I'm lost as to which are the correct versions I need |
| 06:24.46 | lech | s/php/php5 |
| 06:26.40 | hark | !apache2 |
| 06:26.40 | dpkg | i guess apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 06:27.24 | scruffy | lech: also look into libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 06:27.44 | lech | i gather that includes everything? |
| 06:27.49 | hark | !install php |
| 06:27.51 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 06:28.07 | hark | hmm, replace php4 with php5 |
| 06:28.20 | scruffy | lech: and prob php-pear, libapache2-mod-python, etc.. check out apt-cache search [search term] |
| 06:28.27 | hark | similarly with python |
| 06:28.38 | lech | sounds good |
| 06:28.41 | lech | thanks |
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| 06:28.59 | hark | or read the docs (/usr/share/doc/app) |
| 06:29.12 | cornernote | scruffy: sk98lin was in netinst... but it didnt want to load |
| 06:29.21 | cornernote | it told me to try additional parameters |
| 06:29.28 | dexemna | jetscreamer: I'm now using something quite close to what your xorg.conf file is, and it's find except for one more thing |
| 06:29.57 | scruffy | cornernote: you may have to do some googling on that one |
| 06:29.59 | lech | very left of the aptitude search, what do the v's and p's stand for? |
| 06:30.12 | dexemna | Oh wait I think I just figured it out! |
| 06:30.51 | cornernote | scruffy: being a bit of a noob with linux, can you throw me some search terms to use... i tried searching for "marvell 8053 debian netinst" but it doesnt give me much help |
| 06:31.05 | scruffy | cornernote: you may have luck googling for debian, your motherboard model, and NIC or "ethernet driver" |
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| 06:31.26 | lech | i believe marvell supplies nix drivers on their site providing you know which model you're using |
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| 06:31.40 | lech | quite possibly even debian packages |
| 06:32.05 | scruffy | cornernote: looks like this fellow has your nic: http://dcl.isti.cnr.it/Images/SilvGallery/scripts/install-debian-mini-howto-sata-wireless.html |
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| 06:32.43 | lech | scruffy, i'm guessing that if i do mod-python and install php5 later it shouldn't matter, right? providing configs check out |
| 06:33.09 | scruffy | cornernote: check out his last statements on that page about that nic |
| 06:33.38 | scruffy | lech: shouldn't matter, no. they're just dynamic modules for apache loaded via the httpd.conf and friends |
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| 06:34.46 | cornernote | scruffy: so basically install the cd version and then get the nic working |
| 06:34.54 | scruffy | lech: re: marvell, the link above says something similar |
| 06:35.20 | lech | true |
| 06:37.06 | lech | bbiab |
| 06:37.08 | scruffy | cornernote: I'd start there yeah. seems like http://www.skd.de/e_en/support/driver.html?navanchor=10013 has a linux driver, but their product numbers are different. It would be a matter of finding out which of those you need to download. It will probably include some instructions. This should be a learning experience. :)) |
| 06:37.53 | cornernote | i think i have it... thanks scruffy |
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| 06:39.48 | scruffy | cornernote: also could be on that floppy I dismissed earlier.. I guess times are changin' |
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| 06:47.40 | dexemna | jetscreamer: Okay, well now that I have 2 separate X11 screens, can I drag windows between them if I want? |
| 06:49.22 | scruffy | jetscreamer: is this you? http://www.jet-man.com/actuel.html that's crazy! |
| 06:49.39 | jetscreamer | dexemna: with twinview yes, other, no idea but think not |
| 06:49.45 | jetscreamer | no scruffy not me |
| 06:50.27 | dexemna | Darn, so maybe I should be using Twinview instead of Xinerama (which apparently KDE says I'm using now) |
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| 06:50.51 | dexemna | I like how this is working, but I'd really like to drag windows between the two... so maybe I didn't want two separate X11 screens after all? |
| 06:50.53 | jetscreamer | dexemna: twinview supplies some xinerama info thing |
| 06:51.02 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 06:51.25 | jetscreamer | my point is, kde might report xinerama but it's really twinview |
| 06:51.30 | jetscreamer | ask in #nvidia |
| 06:51.34 | jetscreamer | they know more |
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| 06:51.44 | dexemna | Okay so if I use Twinview will I still get two separate taskbars and 4 virtual desktops per video output device (so eight total)? |
| 06:51.49 | jetscreamer | even have an nvidia dev sometimes |
| 06:51.52 | dexemna | Ahm, okay |
| 06:52.05 | dexemna | That's cool... sort of |
| 06:52.08 | dexemna | Mixed feelings |
| 06:52.11 | dexemna | Damn license |
| 06:52.21 | biatche | a question about fs tuning... what's the use of it? is it necessary? jfs_tune :: -L = label <-- any reason to label? -U <-- whats UUID? wahts this ffor? what's an external journal for? |
| 06:52.32 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 06:52.44 | jetscreamer | universal something id |
| 06:53.04 | jetscreamer | label if you can't remember which is which |
| 06:53.16 | jetscreamer | and it's for journaling |
| 06:53.35 | biatche | how do i determine a partition label? i do something like df or mount.. it doesnt show me the labels |
| 06:54.07 | Azar | isnt shown in /etc/fstab? |
| 06:54.20 | biatche | so uuid is for journaling... ok, is it necessary to set uuid? i accidentally stumbled upon this, but all this while, i've never actually did any tuning... |
| 06:54.29 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:54.32 | biatche | nope. |
| 06:54.34 | prarage | fdisk /dev/hda -l |
| 06:54.40 | jetscreamer | i meant the external journal was for journaling |
| 06:54.56 | biatche | prarage: nope. |
| 06:55.10 | biatche | jetscreamer: basically if i dont know what it is, i dont need to touch it, right? |
| 06:55.27 | biatche | which then questions me... how does internal journaling work.. if this is whats used by default.. |
| 06:55.42 | biatche | of course i do direct the question to you haha |
| 06:55.42 | jetscreamer | right... but journaling is kinda similar to an on-the-fly md5sum or something |
| 06:56.05 | jetscreamer | the uuid is also kinda like a label |
| 06:56.25 | jetscreamer | and i 'think' it's external by default |
| 06:56.32 | jetscreamer | the journal is i mean |
| 06:56.41 | jetscreamer | but i'm not sure |
| 06:56.50 | biatche | so then, usually, these labeling aren't actually of much use if you know what the devices do, right? |
| 06:56.59 | jetscreamer | but the difference is 'where is the journal' |
| 06:57.13 | jetscreamer | the uuid can be used in grub and fstab |
| 06:57.29 | biatche | ok, lets talk bout jfs or xfs... is journaling on by default? |
| 06:57.40 | jetscreamer | the label is just if you need to name the partition afaict |
| 06:57.55 | jetscreamer | yes for jfs i won't touch reiser or xfs on purpose |
| 06:58.34 | biatche | ok, i just switched from xfs to jfs, so, i need not do anything additional to make journaling work, right? apart from mkfs.jfs device |
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| 06:58.37 | jetscreamer | ext2 is not a journaling fs.. and that's like the only common one in linux i believe |
| 06:58.42 | jetscreamer | right |
| 06:58.51 | biatche | ok, thanks |
| 06:59.18 | biatche | any reason u chose it? and not reiser or xfs |
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| 06:59.44 | biatche | im gonna be using jfs on this box cuz xfs + acl is broken (in archlinux) |
| 07:00.41 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:00.46 | jetscreamer | yeah i did some research |
| 07:01.31 | jetscreamer | reiser or xfs you need a ups or else, there's a grub bug with xfs i heard, or was, and anyway after reading up on them i chose jfs as the best alternative |
| 07:01.40 | jetscreamer | i was tired of ext3 |
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| 07:04.20 | biatche | grub bug with xfs? well, i know in gentoo i could use xfs on /boot. archlinux don't seem to install the grub loader. maybe its cuz i did it manually in gentoo. but xfs works really good for root partition. |
| 07:05.22 | tuvwx | what causes X Fatal sever error: could not open default cursor font 'cursor'? what's the package responsible for this? |
| 07:06.57 | cahoot | biatche: why would one consider a journaling fs on /boot? |
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| 07:07.21 | biatche | no idea, i use ext2 for /boot anyway |
| 07:07.24 | pe3r | how do you upgrade freenas from web gui? |
| 07:08.13 | tuvwx | cahoot, to avoid having a /boot partition? |
| 07:08.59 | ram____ | hey can some tell me.. how can i encrypt os...for security reason.. so same disk can not be mounted on other PC's |
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| 07:21.09 | nvz | ram____: you generally only want to encrypt sensitive information, also you want your base system to be as standard or vanilla as possible so that when the shit hits the fan you can still get in to fix things |
| 07:21.32 | cornernote | scruffy: the new devel netinst has the updated network driver :) |
| 07:21.40 | cornernote | and its installing |
| 07:21.41 | cornernote | :) :) |
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| 07:24.31 | nvz | dpkg, crypto howto |
| 07:24.31 | dpkg | i heard crypto howto is http://www.keepthetouch.org/~marvin/crypto/ or http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypto/ (slow) |
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| 07:32.58 | scruffy | cornernote: hey, fantastic! |
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| 07:35.09 | kronic | I'm trying to turn Xft hinting off for gdm, I've added Xft.hinting:0 and Xft.hintstyle:hintnone to /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common but it has no effect :S |
| 07:35.11 | tuvwx | what causes X Fatal sever error: could not open default cursor font 'cursor'? what's the package responsible for this? |
| 07:35.55 | ram____ | hi, i dont see this URL working http://www.keepthetouch.org/~marvin/crypto/ |
| 07:36.12 | ram____ | other one works |
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| 07:40.29 | cahoot | tuvwx: whar does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme' return? |
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| 07:43.17 | stoned | hi |
| 07:44.06 | stoned | $89 PD 805 vs. $190 E6300 for a cheap/budget gaming rig for someone. $100 difference. Any recommendations? |
| 07:44.40 | stoned | I know about the performance, just wanna know which is most bang for the buck, I suppose its a silly question |
| 07:45.01 | stoned | c2d all the way, but damn if I can save that 100$ and use it for maybe a better gfx card for him |
| 07:45.19 | stoned | let the gpu handle games instead of cpu, plus its still dual core |
| 07:45.26 | stoned | I duno I guess I'm just talking to myself |
| 07:45.39 | stoned | I will install debian on it for him in a dual boot config |
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| 07:45.43 | stoned | so its debian related now :D |
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| 07:46.02 | concept10 | stoned, get the e6600 |
| 07:46.14 | concept10 | and call it a day |
| 07:46.51 | stoned | or I could save that 100$ and get him a 7900gt and oc it to x1900GT clocks |
| 07:47.03 | stoned | still it has more pixel pipelines and shader proc. |
| 07:47.22 | stoned | shouldn't I let the gpu handle gfx? |
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| 07:47.42 | stoned | cuz if I get him the 6300 cpu, then he can only afford 7600gs |
| 07:47.46 | stoned | hes on a tight budget |
| 07:47.53 | stoned | hell, he can't even afford to pay me in cash |
| 07:47.58 | stoned | I have to take pot |
| 07:47.59 | stoned | :D |
| 07:48.03 | concept10 | well dont get the pentium d |
| 07:48.15 | stoned | concept10, may I ask why? |
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| 07:48.27 | tuvwx | cahoot, /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /etc/X11/cursors/ComixCursors-Black-Large-Slim.theme |
| 07:48.44 | stoned | its situation based, I know e6300 even blows pd805 out the water |
| 07:49.11 | cahoot | tuvwx: try to use another: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 07:49.21 | concept10 | stoned, much better arch, I will never buy anything with the pentium name on it for over $50 bucks |
| 07:49.30 | tuvwx | cahoot, i did. same problem. will try again |
| 07:49.31 | stoned | lol |
| 07:49.34 | stoned | quite true |
| 07:49.38 | Azar | amd rocks, forget intel |
| 07:49.50 | stoned | I guess I could just get him 6300 + 7600GS and oc it |
| 07:49.53 | concept10 | amd has dropped the baton |
| 07:50.04 | nvz | damn flood the channel why dont you :P |
| 07:50.08 | Azar | concept10: ? |
| 07:50.21 | stoned | I can oc my agp 8x 7600GS from 400/400 to 575/1000 @ stock volts/HSF |
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| 07:50.29 | concept10 | as the japanese said back in the days "I believe we have awaken a giant" |
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| 07:50.35 | stoned | thats higher than 7600GT clocks, but with some pipes locked |
| 07:50.47 | stoned | awaken |
| 07:50.56 | Azar | concept10: all my PCs are amd. None of them dissapointed me |
| 07:50.58 | stoned | thas a freaky word |
| 07:51.01 | stoned | its fun to pronouce |
| 07:51.06 | stoned | away ken |
| 07:51.15 | stoned | go away |
| 07:51.16 | stoned | :D |
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| 07:51.40 | stoned | Azar, c2d blows amd out |
| 07:51.41 | concept10 | Azar, im not saying amd isnt good, im saying the new intel stuff is better.. but the p4 sucked |
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| 07:51.54 | stoned | p4 did suck, compare to amd |
| 07:52.02 | stoned | however c2d > any amd chip out there |
| 07:52.24 | Azar | stoned: define > |
| 07:52.36 | concept10 | im sitting on a craptium 4/ht right now |
| 07:52.44 | stoned | "greater than" |
| 07:52.56 | Azar | stoned: well describe how is "better than" |
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| 07:53.01 | Azar | features |
| 07:53.04 | stoned | better? |
| 07:53.05 | stoned | nah |
| 07:53.07 | stoned | GREATER! |
| 07:53.12 | Azar | why greater? |
| 07:53.13 | stoned | with all caps |
| 07:53.20 | stoned | Azar, google |
| 07:53.25 | Azar | how is c2d better than amd? |
| 07:53.27 | concept10 | Azar, go read some reviews, everyone cant be wrong |
| 07:53.34 | stoned | benchmarks can't be wrong |
| 07:53.40 | stoned | numbers speak for themselves |
| 07:53.45 | concept10 | at least thats what i say |
| 07:54.00 | concept10 | > = right arrow :) |
| 07:54.06 | Azar | well if all my amd's old or new work great why I would want an intel be it better at benchmarks |
| 07:54.19 | stoned | I never said anything about you wanting anything |
| 07:54.27 | stoned | I simply said c2d > any amd chip |
| 07:54.30 | stoned | which is a well known fact |
| 07:54.33 | Azar | for years intel was worshiped as better and better yet I allways bought amd |
| 07:54.35 | concept10 | Azar, we are talking about the new offerings |
| 07:54.37 | tuvwx | cahoot, i just tried /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme.. same error |
| 07:54.38 | stoned | there isnothing wrong with amd |
| 07:54.51 | Azar | concept10: yes, I got that |
| 07:55.01 | stoned | Azar, stop being a tool or i'll spank you |
| 07:55.07 | Azar | stoned: hehe |
| 07:55.09 | stoned | and you know i'll do it too |
| 07:55.10 | stoned | :) |
| 07:55.13 | cahoot | tuvwx: was the only idea I had - sorry |
| 07:55.35 | Azar | my first "modern PC" was an amd 286 DX and kicked intell's ass |
| 07:55.55 | stoned | my first was when we were both 12 years old |
| 07:55.59 | concept10 | do I want to compile some packages and dick around with some complexity or load windows and shoot some people |
| 07:56.02 | stoned | oh I mean... |
| 07:56.08 | stoned | umm.. systems |
| 07:56.11 | cahoot | Azar: so what's the point in this 'discussion' ? |
| 07:56.12 | stoned | *smirk* |
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| 07:56.30 | Azar | a friend from work just ordered six weeks ago a super intel duo blabla... he returned it now for the third time ... for repairs |
| 07:56.36 | stoned | I still have my notebook which ive kept for over 14 years |
| 07:56.44 | Azar | hi cahoot, I jumped in this discussion |
| 07:56.51 | stoned | 1992 CompuAdd notebook |
| 07:56.58 | stoned | rather "portable computer" |
| 07:57.08 | stoned | 25.33mhz, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd |
| 07:57.12 | stoned | 386 |
| 07:57.25 | stoned | sx |
| 07:57.26 | cahoot | stoned: touching really |
| 07:57.28 | PingFloyd | intel and amd go back and forth |
| 07:57.34 | PingFloyd | so who cares |
| 07:57.38 | stoned | hahaha! |
| 07:57.41 | stoned | PingFloyd! |
| 07:57.42 | stoned | nice |
| 07:57.49 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:57.57 | stoned | I used to be Lord Of The Pings |
| 07:58.02 | Azar | haha |
| 07:58.05 | stoned | :D |
| 07:58.06 | PingFloyd | I'll run with whichever I can get my hands on :) |
| 07:58.45 | stoned | also sometimes I went by Pingmaster, play on Ringmaster (album by Insane Clown Posse) |
| 07:58.50 | PingFloyd | how come you changed from that nick? |
| 07:58.56 | PingFloyd | I like your old one |
| 07:59.03 | stoned | I've always been stoned |
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| 07:59.11 | stoned | that was just a temporary joke around nick |
| 07:59.17 | stoned | never really kept it or registered it |
| 07:59.55 | PingFloyd | I can just picture some guy named Floyd yelling, "Why the hell do people keep pinging me!!!!!?" |
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| 08:00.01 | stoned | lol |
| 08:00.13 | stoned | !stoned |
| 08:01.10 | PingFloyd | now is amd gonna do something good with this aquisition of ati? |
| 08:01.59 | stoned | I don't like the manufacturers companies etc. these days |
| 08:02.04 | PingFloyd | me neither |
| 08:02.16 | PingFloyd | they've become too controling |
| 08:02.29 | stoned | its not about the consumer at all |
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| 08:02.43 | stoned | not like it used to be back in the day |
| 08:02.53 | PingFloyd | yeah, I think a lot of them have become tunnel visioned |
| 08:02.53 | stoned | not all about the consumer* |
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| 08:03.13 | fantomas | Hi. How to enable ip_forwarding? |
| 08:03.17 | PingFloyd | yeah, used to be better |
| 08:03.20 | fantomas | (except echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) |
| 08:03.37 | Guerin | fantomas: iptables? |
| 08:03.48 | PingFloyd | was less about pushing paradigms back then |
| 08:03.58 | PingFloyd | or standards etc |
| 08:03.59 | stoned | Guerin, hey man whats up |
| 08:04.15 | streuner | Guerin: do you live near 'Auckland'? |
| 08:04.26 | fantomas | Guerin: hm... why iptables? I mean enabling packets to forward between interfaces |
| 08:04.30 | Guerin | stoned: work is finished for the week, i have a beer and my wife is cooking dinner, life is good |
| 08:04.35 | stoned | :) |
| 08:04.39 | Guerin | stoned: if you consider 900km `near' |
| 08:04.42 | Guerin | streuner: |
| 08:04.44 | stoned | Guerin, awesome |
| 08:04.56 | fantomas | Guerin: there was an /etc/network/options file before but now its deprecated |
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| 08:04.58 | Guerin | fantomas: mm, ok. Your question was unclear. |
| 08:05.06 | stoned | Guerin, that image you created just put a smile on my face |
| 08:05.11 | Guerin | fantomas: i'm not aware of any way other than the above |
| 08:05.16 | stoned | I'm about to be ... you know... *sigh* |
| 08:05.18 | streuner | Guerin: heh, so more in the south of .nz? |
| 08:05.19 | Guerin | fantomas: or writing iptables rules for it |
| 08:05.25 | Azar | Guerin, nice man, I got me a pressure cooker, does the food for me |
| 08:05.36 | Guerin | streuner: no, I live in Wellington, which is in the middle (last stop on the north island) |
| 08:05.42 | stoned | those thigns are awesome |
| 08:05.53 | Guerin | Azar: pressure cookers are cook, but then tend to murder food |
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| 08:05.55 | stoned | Guerin, you going to debconf7 |
| 08:06.00 | Guerin | i like fresh, simple food |
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| 08:06.04 | fantomas | Guerin: I believe rules won't help if kernel doesn't forward packets |
| 08:06.10 | pstickne | why, oh, why does large file operations to a USB drive lock a number of processes? :( |
| 08:06.11 | Guerin | stoned: hell no, I'm an impoverished university student |
| 08:06.12 | PingFloyd | my fondest memories were sitting in front of a C64 connected to a TV set |
| 08:06.18 | Azar | yea Guerin you go to Scotland for debconf? |
| 08:06.19 | Guerin | fantomas: mm, unsure. |
| 08:06.19 | stoned | Guerin, I have a home in scotland |
| 08:06.23 | stoned | near edinburge |
| 08:06.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:06.31 | Guerin | stoned: do you have a private jet which can pick me up? |
| 08:06.35 | stoned | If I could coax my folks into a ticket |
| 08:06.43 | stoned | Guerin, no |
| 08:06.45 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:06.48 | Guerin | nor me |
| 08:06.51 | Guerin | give it time |
| 08:07.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:07.14 | stoned | I'd like a chopper as well |
| 08:07.22 | Azar | scotland same as nz, same sheeps plus the fog |
| 08:07.22 | Guerin | streuner: auckland is the sworn enemy of wellington |
| 08:07.25 | stoned | though they are loud, the're more fun than a plane |
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| 08:08.37 | eifzon | anyone here that got a link for the debian dvd install? |
| 08:08.49 | stoned | !d-i |
| 08:08.50 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 08:08.50 | Guerin | eifzon: cdimage.debian.org is that hard to find? |
| 08:09.01 | Guerin | eifzon: google must be broken! OMG |
| 08:09.11 | stoned | Simply www.debian.org |
| 08:09.15 | stoned | Getting Debian |
| 08:09.21 | eifzon | is it 2 cds? :o |
| 08:09.21 | stoned | I'm sure you can read :) |
| 08:09.27 | stoned | its a dvd |
| 08:09.31 | eifzon | yes |
| 08:09.32 | stoned | man |
| 08:09.34 | eifzon | stoned? |
| 08:09.42 | stoned | eifzon? |
| 08:09.59 | stoned | eifzon, don't msg me |
| 08:10.10 | eifzon | do i have to download, "two" cds? |
| 08:10.18 | eifzon | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-dvd/ , those two |
| 08:10.42 | stoned | any particular reason why you want this ona dvd media? |
| 08:10.47 | Guerin | eifzon: no |
| 08:10.51 | stoned | cuz if not, then just use netinstall |
| 08:10.57 | stoned | its a lot faster to download |
| 08:10.58 | stoned | :D |
| 08:11.02 | Guerin | eifzon: if you want the minimum, get the businesscard, which is about 32MB |
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| 08:11.15 | eifzon | stoned: netinstall didnt work |
| 08:11.24 | stoned | eifzon, what happened ? |
| 08:11.26 | SerajewelKS | is it safe to mount my ~/.thunderbird on another box to read my mail there if it's not open locally? |
| 08:11.36 | eifzon | stoned: it was a problem with CDrom it said lol :S |
| 08:11.52 | eifzon | but it works fine to install other dists, slack and windows |
| 08:12.03 | stoned | eifzon, consider bare bones min install |
| 08:12.27 | stoned | if you have *nix/windows as an OS already you can start the installer with 2 files that are under 3mb |
| 08:12.37 | stoned | no need for cdrom |
| 08:12.44 | stoned | do however need broadband access |
| 08:12.49 | stoned | !install guide |
| 08:12.49 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 08:12.53 | eifzon | i got broadband access, but i dont know how to do :o |
| 08:12.58 | stoned | Read sections 3,4,5 for reference |
| 08:13.14 | stoned | directions are quite clear |
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| 08:14.14 | deadcat | in order to X forwarding.. i ssh -X, then i export DISPLAY right? |
| 08:14.47 | svilendotorg | deadcat: you can configure openssh to forward X automatically |
| 08:14.54 | eifzon | stoned: there is no link where i can download? |
| 08:14.58 | deadcat | svilendotorg: ya. i have it true |
| 08:15.57 | stoned | deadcat, in some cases yes |
| 08:15.59 | svilendotorg | i'm fighting with software RAID1 and two PATA hard drives, help would be welcome :) |
| 08:16.17 | concept10 | what is the easiest way to make a deb |
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| 08:16.27 | stoned | from source? |
| 08:16.32 | stoned | like .deb source? |
| 08:16.34 | concept10 | stoned, yes |
| 08:16.46 | stoned | apt-get -b source pkgname |
| 08:16.47 | Guerin | concept10: if there's a debian/ dir, run debian/rules binary |
| 08:16.49 | stoned | I think** |
| 08:16.55 | Sturts | this chan looks active |
| 08:17.02 | concept10 | stoned, no, not from a .deb source, from a tarball source |
| 08:17.02 | Guerin | if there isn't either make one using dh-make or run checkinstall |
| 08:17.02 | stoned | !package basics |
| 08:17.03 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 08:17.07 | stoned | ahh |
| 08:17.07 | SerajewelKS | fuck yeah it works |
| 08:17.11 | Sturts | I wish I was stoned... though I'm workin on getting pissed... |
| 08:17.15 | stoned | lol |
| 08:17.15 | eifzon | stoned: when debian is loaded, shall i start as: linux26 in boot? |
| 08:17.17 | concept10 | man I dont want to read that |
| 08:17.31 | stoned | eifzon, just hit enter, no need for anything else |
| 08:17.38 | SerajewelKS | 'sshfs 192.168.8.1:.mozilla-thunderbird .mozilla-thunderbird -o nonempty' |
| 08:17.58 | svilendotorg | eifzon: if you wan to, you can try "linux26 vga=791" if your monitor supports 1024x768 resolution |
| 08:18.01 | stoned | but yeah, linux26 for 2.6, as sarge comes with 2.4 |
| 08:18.05 | concept10 | I forgot what its called. the way people make .debs the easy way, is it check config or something? |
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| 08:18.12 | eifzon | stoned kk |
| 08:18.55 | eifzon | svilendotorg: i just got a new computer + monitor so i suppose so |
| 08:18.55 | concept10 | stoned, I dont want to read that, I have so much stuff to read tonight to accomplish what im doing |
| 08:18.55 | stoned | eifzon, it will do you GOOD to read the the installation manual |
| 08:18.55 | threat2 | hi |
| 08:18.55 | threat2 | did somebody say my name? |
| 08:18.55 | stoned | especially sections 4 and 5 |
| 08:18.59 | eifzon | stoned: i have had linux on my other computer, "debian" |
| 08:19.06 | concept10 | heh |
| 08:19.22 | Guerin | concept10: checkinstall? |
| 08:19.26 | concept10 | okay, i see how it is |
| 08:19.37 | concept10 | Guerin, not sure |
| 08:19.42 | Guerin | check |
| 08:19.57 | eifzon | svilendotorg: how can i do to have "1280x1024"? |
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| 08:20.13 | deadcat | why is ps -ef sorted by PID on etch and not on sid? |
| 08:20.18 | concept10 | With the complexity of what Im trying to do, I was saying i dont want to read 20 pages of how to become a package maintainer |
| 08:20.25 | stoned | eifzon, just worry about installing debian first... when you get it install as well as X you can configure it easiliy for that resolution |
| 08:20.33 | eifzon | ok stoned.. |
| 08:20.35 | svilendotorg | 640x480 vga=769 |
| 08:20.36 | svilendotorg | 800x600 vga=771 |
| 08:20.36 | svilendotorg | 1024x768 vga=773 |
| 08:20.36 | svilendotorg | 1280x1024 vga=775 |
| 08:20.36 | svilendotorg | 1600x1200 vga=796 |
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| 08:20.45 | eifzon | :P |
| 08:20.57 | SerajewelKS | god that is slick... i can use the same thunderbird profile anywhere |
| 08:21.01 | stoned | concept10, just for reference :) |
| 08:21.12 | stoned | SerajewelKS, yup |
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| 08:21.22 | SerajewelKS | sshfs ftw |
| 08:21.25 | stoned | SerajewelKS, sometimes i'll mount --bind stuff to stuff to do stuff |
| 08:21.27 | stoned | its kinky |
| 08:22.10 | SerajewelKS | stoned: does flock work over sshfs? so that i don't accidentally fubar it by running icedove in two places? |
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| 08:22.10 | fantomas | Guerin: back to ip_forward, what was in /etc/network/options now is in /etc/sysctl.conf including ip_forward |
| 08:22.10 | monokrome | hey |
| 08:22.11 | eifzon | stoned: ill come back here and explain what have been wrong if i dont success to finnish the installation! |
| 08:22.32 | dexemna | jetscreamer: I have a question now that I've expirmented between TwinView vs. separate X11 screens (no one's in the #nvidia channel =P) |
| 08:22.45 | stoned | eifzon, I'm proabbly gonan be passed out here shortly |
| 08:22.46 | stoned | :) |
| 08:22.51 | eifzon | stoned :-( |
| 08:23.01 | concept10 | when is someone going to solve this packaging shit on linux |
| 08:23.13 | Guerin | concept10: what packaging shit? |
| 08:23.19 | eifzon | does linux hate there kernel: Intel 965? :o |
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| 08:23.26 | SerajewelKS | stoned: argh it doesn't |
| 08:23.33 | SerajewelKS | stoned: that's going to be tricky then... |
| 08:23.34 | stoned | SerajewelKS, it always crashes for me |
| 08:23.40 | stoned | if it strarts |
| 08:23.40 | concept10 | the _shit_ you have to do to make a package Guerin |
| 08:23.42 | monokrome | When I try to dist-upgrade to unstable, I keep getting asked if I want to remove the same version kernel that i'm running. Of course, i'm going to tell it no, but then it says this: dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.7-3-386 (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned exit status 1 |
| 08:23.46 | Guerin | eifzon: you need 2.6.18 or newer, iirc. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:23.47 | stoned | few other gtk apps also don't work |
| 08:23.55 | stoned | I dunno why, I never looked too deeply into it |
| 08:23.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: it worked here, but i didn't leave it open for long |
| 08:24.00 | monokrome | Anybody ever seen this? I'm blown away by it :/ |
| 08:24.07 | eifzon | Guerin: will it work then? :OOO |
| 08:24.10 | Guerin | concept10: 99% of people never need to build a package in their lives |
| 08:24.59 | stoned | monokrome, why are you trying to go to sid? |
| 08:25.00 | Guerin | concept10: and when that 1% does, all they have to do is apt-get build-dep packagename && aptitude -b packagename if it's in debian; if not, it's not much harder |
| 08:25.00 | concept10 | Guerin, maybe true, I just hate when installing source packages, files get spilled all over your file system |
| 08:25.14 | monokrome | stoned: I need packages only available in sid |
| 08:25.20 | stoned | monokrome, backport? |
| 08:25.21 | Guerin | concept10: solution: don't use things that aren't in debian; or use checkinstall for everything |
| 08:25.24 | stoned | !backports |
| 08:25.24 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 08:25.29 | monokrome | stoned: ? |
| 08:25.35 | Sturts | monokrome why don't you upgrade kernels? |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | eifzon: please refrain from messaging me |
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| 08:25.42 | PingFloyd | concept10: give checkinstall a try |
| 08:25.47 | eifzon | k |
| 08:25.52 | monokrome | Sturts: because i'm using the latest kernel |
| 08:25.58 | sepski | concept10, if you install from source give it a --prefix /usr/local |
| 08:25.58 | eifzon | Guerin: where shall i paste that information? |
| 08:25.59 | Guerin | !latest |
| 08:25.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 08:26.00 | monokrome | I think |
| 08:26.03 | zly | The latest stable kernel version is: 2.6.19.2 |
| 08:26.03 | zly | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.19.2.bz2 |
| 08:26.03 | zly | I'm currently running kernel version: 2.6.13-15.13-smp |
| 08:26.06 | Guerin | eifzon: what information? |
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| 08:26.07 | concept10 | Guerin, okay, checkinstall was what I was initially asking about |
| 08:26.08 | Sturts | what? on sid? huh? |
| 08:26.10 | sepski | concept10, or checkinstall :) |
| 08:26.17 | eifzon | aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch |
| 08:26.24 | stoned | eifzon, if you ask in the channel instead of prv msg, you have a chance of getting more replies and better support than if you single someone one |
| 08:26.26 | stoned | out* |
| 08:26.26 | concept10 | Thanks PingFloyd sepski |
| 08:26.32 | eifzon | ok thx stoned :P |
| 08:26.51 | PingFloyd | yeah, I find doing what sepski mentioned and using checkinstall, really helps take care of alot of those issues with source packages |
| 08:27.00 | concept10 | Im trying to do something crazy, when im done everyone will thank me for it :) |
| 08:27.23 | Guerin | !bless concept10 |
| 08:27.23 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child concept10, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:27.34 | stoned | lol |
| 08:27.35 | stoned | asshole |
| 08:27.37 | stoned | :) |
| 08:27.37 | concept10 | heh |
| 08:27.52 | Sturts | monokrome go to vanilla 2.6.19.1 |
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| 08:28.30 | monokrome | heh |
| 08:28.31 | Azar | the "latest news" on Debian Planet are from March 2006..... |
| 08:28.40 | concept10 | im making a plugin for a music app that launches jack and sends the output to a VST for realtime effects |
| 08:28.53 | monokrome | !dpkg php5 |
| 08:29.10 | monokrome | :/ |
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| 08:29.24 | Guerin | !wayttd monokrome |
| 08:29.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, monokrome? |
| 08:29.33 | Azar | no news means good news... so Debian rocks! |
| 08:29.43 | stoned | hey |
| 08:29.53 | monokrome | meh. |
| 08:29.55 | stoned | I said that to someone here earlier |
| 08:29.58 | stoned | was it you Azar |
| 08:30.10 | Azar | stoned: no? maybe? I was reading news |
| 08:30.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:30.17 | monokrome | stoned: lolol |
| 08:30.19 | Azar | :) |
| 08:30.19 | stoned | no no |
| 08:30.25 | stoned | it was RvGate |
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| 08:31.02 | Azar | see, back when woody was stable people really were anxious for an upgrade version |
| 08:31.08 | Sturts | whats the konsole command to kill a process? |
| 08:31.09 | eifzon | Guerin: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ what here shall i download for a working debian? :o |
| 08:31.14 | Azar | but since Sarge rocks.... very few ask for Etch |
| 08:31.15 | pstickne | Sturts, `kill' ... |
| 08:31.20 | Guerin | eifzon: read |
| 08:31.23 | Sturts | how do I get the pid? |
| 08:31.27 | pstickne | ps |
| 08:31.32 | pstickne | also maybe see killall |
| 08:31.36 | pstickne | man is your friend |
| 08:31.46 | concept10 | what is the real command for checkinstall so I may look at the manpage, i cant find it |
| 08:31.52 | monokrome | sturts: ps aux | grep processname |
| 08:31.53 | Sturts | man is my friend; I thought I was doing something wrong... |
| 08:31.54 | streuner | Sturts: skill -c app. works too |
| 08:32.23 | eifzon | Guerin: sarge-custom-1115.iso is the right one? |
| 08:32.24 | Sturts | firefox keeps bitching about being running but it doesn't show up in ps... had to xkill it.. |
| 08:32.28 | eifzon | I shall burn it down and just boot? |
| 08:32.32 | Guerin | eifzon: does it have the right kernel? |
| 08:32.47 | eifzon | what kernel did i need? |
| 08:32.48 | Guerin | eifzon: i have never tried any of these. You need to do your own legwork. |
| 08:32.55 | Guerin | eifzon: 2.6.18 or newer |
| 08:33.05 | eifzon | kernel 2.6.19rc3 |
| 08:33.17 | pstickne | Sturts, sometimes it's a fscker like that; it really will show up in ps though (although it might not look like a simple command due the wrappers) |
| 08:33.20 | Guerin | eifzon: is that newer that 2.6.18? |
| 08:33.25 | eifzon | Guerin: can it happend any thing with my hardware if iam trying to install thise? |
| 08:33.29 | eifzon | yes Guerin? :o |
| 08:33.42 | Guerin | eifzon: no, you can't break your hardware by booting the wrong kernel |
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| 08:33.45 | fenriz_ | Sturts: try killall firefox-bin |
| 08:33.59 | Guerin | well, you could if it was a REALLY fucking evil kernel, but this one isn't |
| 08:34.15 | Sturts | that did it fenriz: thanks! |
| 08:34.16 | Guerin | ps ax |grep firefox always shows it |
| 08:34.17 | eifzon | ok.. |
| 08:34.35 | Azar | htop rocks! |
| 08:35.00 | eifzon | Guerin: you said a newer then 2.6.18? wasnt the one that i pasted newer..? |
| 08:35.25 | Guerin | eifzon: think really fucking hard about the version number |
| 08:35.41 | eifzon | why the hell did you ask me if it was newer then? |
| 08:36.02 | Guerin | eifzon: because it's important for YOU to check for YOURSELF |
| 08:36.03 | EnterNickireul_ | ? |
| 08:36.08 | Ilovemypuppy | gratuitous use of the f word |
| 08:36.28 | eifzon | ok, but Guerin, is that the best one to download? |
| 08:36.50 | Guerin | eifzon: HOW SHOULD I KNOW? |
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| 08:37.03 | Guerin | eifzon: all I told you was to get one with a kernel newer than 2.6.18 if possible |
| 08:37.13 | eifzon | ok.. |
| 08:37.13 | Guerin | eifzon: follow that instruction and don't obsess about the other stuff |
| 08:37.17 | cornernote | i got a debian installed... just did a net install with the default options |
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| 08:37.27 | cornernote | what do i have to do to install ssh ? |
| 08:37.29 | eifzon | when i am booting it, shall i paste. linux26 to Guerin? |
| 08:37.36 | whalesalad | cornernote: apt-get install open-ssh |
| 08:37.36 | Guerin | cornernote: aptitude search ssh |
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| 08:37.40 | cornernote | once i have that on i should be right |
| 08:37.43 | cornernote | thanks! |
| 08:37.44 | cornernote | :) |
| 08:37.45 | Guerin | whalesalad: don't make shit up. |
| 08:37.50 | whalesalad | hahah thats what i did |
| 08:38.08 | monokrome | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 08:38.10 | monokrome | for server |
| 08:38.18 | monokrome | apt-get install openssh-client for client |
| 08:38.20 | Guerin | whalesalad: i am all-knowing and all-seeing. |
| 08:38.33 | sybec | so am I |
| 08:38.40 | whalesalad | Guerin: oh ok, sorry god. |
| 08:38.42 | Guerin | sybec: i knew that. |
| 08:38.45 | whalesalad | change your nick to god |
| 08:38.49 | Guerin | it's taken |
| 08:38.56 | Guerin | i could take it back, but ... nah |
| 08:38.59 | whalesalad | lol |
| 08:39.06 | whalesalad | that might have been on my ubuntu box... |
| 08:39.08 | sybec | Guerin: I know |
| 08:39.14 | whalesalad | anyways i have a question for you god's |
| 08:39.23 | sybec | "gods" |
| 08:39.25 | whalesalad | i just got a dedicated box from layered tech, made sure to request debian. |
| 08:39.32 | sybec | I knew you'd misspell that |
| 08:39.45 | whalesalad | but its debian stable, and its older than hell, so i need to get some new repos or something |
| 08:40.00 | deadcat | where are teh usb webcam drivers located in menuconfig? i cant seem to find them anymore |
| 08:40.04 | PingFloyd | what's wrong with Debian stable? |
| 08:40.12 | whalesalad | nothings wrong but i need a better package source |
| 08:40.18 | sybec | "it's older than hell" apparently |
| 08:40.21 | whalesalad | i need a new version of mod_python for instance |
| 08:40.36 | whalesalad | and it wont give me the new one, so is there a resource on adding debian repos |
| 08:40.57 | PingFloyd | god made Debian stable before he made hell? |
| 08:41.02 | whalesalad | of course |
| 08:41.07 | whalesalad | hell is hosted on debian sarge :) |
| 08:41.25 | Azar | whalesalad: so what makes you want a newer version of Debian ? how does the Sarge (stable) version affect you ? |
| 08:41.40 | sybec | PingFloyd: no, I did not |
| 08:41.42 | whalesalad | its not sarge i dont like, its the fact that i cant get these new packages |
| 08:41.57 | Azar | whalesalad: vital packages? like what? |
| 08:42.03 | whalesalad | mod_python |
| 08:42.05 | whalesalad | for Django |
| 08:42.11 | PingFloyd | whalesalad: personally, I'd stick with stable, unless there is a shitload of newer package versions you need that backports doesn't cover |
| 08:42.13 | cahoot | whalesalad: might consider backports.org |
| 08:42.22 | deadcat | where are teh usb webcam drivers located in menuconfig? i cant seem to find them anymore.. like pwc or ov511? |
| 08:42.30 | Sturts | I think there should be a debian:jew |
| 08:42.33 | Sturts | so I can burn it |
| 08:42.40 | whalesalad | thats exactly what I was looking for, thanks for the backports link cahoot |
| 08:42.44 | cahoot | deadcat: trid a search in menuconfig? |
| 08:42.57 | deadcat | cahoot: i did.. i cant seem to find them anymore |
| 08:43.02 | whalesalad | "You are running Debian stable, because you prefer the stable Debian tree. It runs great, there is just one problem: the software is a little bit outdated compared to other distributions. That is where backports come in." <- exactly what I was looking for!!! Thanks! |
| 08:43.16 | Azar | ... ookk, on your beard if you get a "newer" "not so stable" version of debian and you feed it all "buggy, junky" packages you can get your hands on: NEWER means not properly tested, and possible full of bugs and vulenrabilities, is that what you want? |
| 08:43.19 | sybec | Sturts: there's a Debian:cross, for KKK members, spec. for that purpose |
| 08:43.31 | nvz | well I think its about time to install/run ntpdate I been working till the morning every night cause I dont know what time it really is :P |
| 08:43.32 | Sturts | reall? |
| 08:43.35 | concept10 | here we go, dependency hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:43.43 | streuner | deadcat: USB? |
| 08:43.44 | cahoot | Azar: you have a problem with his choice? |
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| 08:44.04 | deadcat | streuner: ya |
| 08:44.11 | Azar | cahoot: no, just let him know so later he won't complain that this'n that broke |
| 08:44.15 | Sturts | i'm not KKK member.. but I think that would be funny |
| 08:44.22 | deadcat | streuner: i used to see them under driver -> usb, but now i dont see them anymore |
| 08:44.38 | streuner | 2.6.19? |
| 08:44.42 | deadcat | ya. |
| 08:45.08 | stoned | what do I have |
| 08:45.13 | stoned | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 08:45.15 | deadcat | streuner: i dont see it in .18 either |
| 08:45.26 | deadcat | streuner: modprobe -l |grep ov511 |
| 08:45.44 | Azar | whalesalad: ofcourse I "assume" you are "new" at Debian |
| 08:45.47 | PingFloyd | it shows that those layered tech guys were being competent |
| 08:46.00 | whalesalad | Azar: yea, im actually fairly new with linux ingeneral. |
| 08:46.15 | nvz | I cant help but wonder why ntpdate doesnt automatically try pool.ntp.org or something if none is specified.. I already had it installed and ntp-server running but somehow it couldnt find a server and I was like 2000+ seconds off |
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| 08:46.25 | Azar | whalesalad: that why is recommended / wise to use the "stable" Debian as you gain skills |
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| 08:46.56 | whalesalad | Azar: I got a dev environment set up quite easily with ubuntu's server variant, but debian is a little trickier. yea, i like debian, and quite a large number of sites are run on it, sounds good to me. |
| 08:46.57 | sybec | I took the "unstable crash course" |
| 08:47.02 | Azar | whalesalad: in fact the actual Debian stable is really good. The next stable version will be out in few months. |
| 08:47.04 | deadcat | streuner: find it? |
| 08:47.13 | streuner | deadcat: sure |
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| 08:47.21 | deadcat | streuner: where at? |
| 08:47.26 | cahoot | deadcat: v4l->usb ? |
| 08:47.31 | deadcat | streuner: i must have disabled v4l or something |
| 08:47.32 | sybec | woohoo ! free porn videos |
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| 08:47.38 | deadcat | cahoot: thanks.. |
| 08:47.43 | nvz | sybec: some people prefer to learn the hard way, but its the fact that they still expect help learning that bothers the rest of us |
| 08:47.44 | PingFloyd | it comes down to where you want to spend more time |
| 08:47.48 | streuner_ | deadcat: sure |
| 08:47.59 | whalesalad | azar, one thing i dont get about this backports thing is that they are "deactivated by default"... teh documentation for it is a bit lacking as well. |
| 08:48.10 | nvz | arieler173: say it again but put !ops in front of it or more specifically say !ops then the users name/host |
| 08:48.13 | streuner_ | cahoot: what did you say? |
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| 08:48.21 | nvz | arieler173: er.. sorry |
| 08:48.24 | whalesalad | a friend of mine as asking where the apache2 binaries are on our box, anyone know? |
| 08:48.32 | cahoot | deadcat: v4l->usb - streuner |
| 08:48.38 | nvz | aardvarq: say it again but put !ops in front of it or more specifically say !ops then the users name/host and that they are join spamming |
| 08:48.49 | aardvarq | ah |
| 08:48.57 | sybec | whalesalad: and by binaries do you mean executable binaries? |
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| 08:49.14 | PingFloyd | streuner: I'm guessing they do that to error on the side of caution, because I've noticed that backports can sometimes be a bit sketchy |
| 08:49.20 | whalesalad | sybec: yessir |
| 08:49.25 | Azar | whalesalad: I never used backports because I never need something "outside" stable, but yes, if your hardware requires it, or some vital functions, you can use backports. For kernel upgrade for example (from 2.6.8 > to 2.6.18) |
| 08:49.38 | sybec | whalesalad: is apache2 installed? |
| 08:49.44 | whalesalad | sybec: yes |
| 08:49.47 | PingFloyd | like today, a package had another listed as a dependency in it's depend list, but it wouldn't automatically install it |
| 08:49.59 | sepski | whalesalad, type whereis apache2 in shell |
| 08:50.00 | PingFloyd | had to manually install the dependency |
| 08:50.01 | whalesalad | azar: in my case all i need is mod_python, my buddy is instaslling it from source right now. |
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| 08:50.34 | sybec | installing stuff from source is evil |
| 08:50.35 | sepski | whalesalad, why dont you just install the libapache2-mod-python debian package |
| 08:50.45 | Azar | whalesalad: /msg dpkg backports < will explain you and give you guidance on it, also check the debian packages site |
| 08:50.47 | whalesalad | sepski: i did that, its too old |
| 08:52.00 | PingFloyd | sybec: naw, but it's kind of stupid to ever go through more trouble than ever need be |
| 08:52.00 | nvz | Bhaal: thats one way of doing it :P |
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| 08:53.31 | nvz | its always nice when a staffer responds to problems cause they have a better ability to solve them. |
| 08:53.39 | stoned | nvz, hi! |
| 08:53.47 | nvz | stoned: nope, you? |
| 08:53.51 | stoned | about to be |
| 08:53.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:53.55 | whalesalad | sybec: i tried installing from the backports just now and it installed the same version of mod_python I already have.. hrmmm |
| 08:54.01 | monokrome | wewt |
| 08:54.02 | monokrome | fixed it |
| 08:54.05 | monokrome | :] |
| 08:54.07 | deadcat | cahoot: those v4l are all tv cards.. i dont see the webcam drivers. |
| 08:54.21 | PingFloyd | whalesalad: did you set up pinning right? |
| 08:54.32 | whalesalad | pingfloyd: what's pinning? hehe |
| 08:56.10 | sybec | nvz: that's what I invented coffee and adult channels for |
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| 08:56.16 | PingFloyd | whalesalad: read this it will help http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4525 |
| 08:56.28 | whalesalad | pingfloyd: ok, cool, reading it now |
| 08:57.12 | PingFloyd | concept10: that's another way to skin a cat |
| 08:57.23 | stoned | damadada |
| 08:57.52 | nvz | sybec: I dont care much for coffee or tv and I am going to sleep cause there isnt much productive one can do at 4am on a sunday morning |
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| 09:00.02 | SerajewelKS | well my lappy is hibernating... about time i did |
| 09:00.22 | nvz | skinning cats isnt nice.. unless they are dead |
| 09:00.25 | sybec | did what? your lappy? |
| 09:00.39 | SerajewelKS | sybec: hibernated |
| 09:01.00 | nvz | some people just shouldnt think they could hurt themselves |
| 09:01.08 | SerajewelKS | sybec: not everything has a perverted double meaning |
| 09:01.15 | sybec | yes it does |
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| 09:01.37 | nvz | it does when you are an adolescent without a girlfriend |
| 09:01.47 | SerajewelKS | ZING |
| 09:01.52 | eifzon | why do i get this message when iam booting my kernel? "sky2 eth1: phy read timeout"!!! |
| 09:01.59 | nvz | insert the word male in there somewhere appropriate |
| 09:02.32 | deadcat | where are the usb webcam drivers located in menuconfig? cant find it |
| 09:02.33 | whalesalad | ok backports apparently doesn't have the latest version of mod-python :( |
| 09:02.34 | SerajewelKS | nvz: OMG you said "insert" and "male" ROFLOFL~~~!!1 |
| 09:02.38 | sybec | I'm 19 and I've been with a girl for more than 4 years now |
| 09:02.49 | nvz | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 09:02.55 | sybec | so.. sorry mr. psychology drop out |
| 09:03.14 | sybec | har har har |
| 09:03.25 | nvz | sybec: how is that working out.. being in love with a highschool sweety? |
| 09:03.28 | deadcat | someone help me please. |
| 09:03.36 | eifzon | why do i get this message when iam booting my kernel? "sky2 eth1: phy read timeout"!!! |
| 09:03.43 | SerajewelKS | !tell eifzon about repeat |
| 09:03.49 | nvz | I don't think I even talk to any of the girls I did in highschool anymore |
| 09:03.52 | streuner_ | deadcat: video4linux? |
| 09:04.09 | deadcat | streuner_: cant find ov511 in menuconfig.. |
| 09:04.11 | whalesalad | i found this on the django site, so I need the newest version of mod-python! "Even though the documentation lists mod_python 3.1.x as being compatible, *it isn't*! You need at least 3.2.7 (which is not in debian stable, btw) to run Django/apache2/mod_python." |
| 09:04.21 | sybec | nvz: great, we plan to get married in a few years |
| 09:04.36 | nvz | sybec: is it actually someone you went to school with? |
| 09:04.48 | sybec | someone who was in my class, yes |
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| 09:06.29 | nvz | that must be conveinient |
| 09:06.59 | Guerin | nvz: i met my wife in high school |
| 09:07.01 | sybec | being with the same girl for this long has many advantages |
| 09:07.05 | Guerin | 12 years ago |
| 09:07.17 | stoned | how long? |
| 09:07.19 | idan | how can i make samba to work with the same linux users? |
| 09:07.25 | stoned | sybec, how long? |
| 09:07.41 | sybec | 11 inches |
| 09:07.43 | SerajewelKS | if i met my wife in high school, that would be bad, because i was homeschooled. |
| 09:07.49 | nvz | Guerin: yeah well a lot of us have to go to clubs and look at a room full of alcoholic women singing and dancing to a song about sweaty balls or something and pick a wife |
| 09:07.51 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 09:08.07 | Guerin | nvz: good luck with that |
| 09:08.09 | stoned | I met my woman 20 years ago |
| 09:08.10 | whalesalad | SerajewelKS: unless it was elisha cuthbert nextdoor :) |
| 09:08.17 | stoned | we were children back then |
| 09:08.33 | stoned | Now I'm being married to her in a few months |
| 09:08.38 | stoned | top that? |
| 09:08.47 | nvz | stoned: yeah thats a whole different level of conveinience.. |
| 09:08.51 | stoned | oh and 12 inches here. kthx |
| 09:09.01 | stoned | nvz, dude you have no idea |
| 09:09.02 | stoned | :) |
| 09:09.09 | SerajewelKS | now i'm at college and women aren't really on my radar... classes are hard enough, throw women in the mix and i'm doomed. |
| 09:09.47 | PingFloyd | women can be a PITA |
| 09:10.07 | whalesalad | anyone know where apxs is? |
| 09:10.18 | SerajewelKS | whalesalad: wtf is that |
| 09:10.44 | Guerin | stoned: go eat some curry or something, jeeze |
| 09:10.44 | whalesalad | apache extension tool |
| 09:10.58 | Guerin | PingFloyd: i find them more like a naan |
| 09:10.58 | SerajewelKS | whalesalad: .. do you mean a2enmod? |
| 09:11.01 | whalesalad | nope |
| 09:11.50 | deadcat | no one? |
| 09:12.09 | nvz | stoned: I am amazed that two people can know each other all their lives and not have went different ways by adulthood |
| 09:12.36 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i'm not, it almost happened with me. then we moved. |
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| 09:13.05 | nvz | SerajewelKS: thats what I am talking about for one reason or another something always happens |
| 09:13.30 | SerajewelKS | nvz: yeah i realized after i hit enter that i was proving your point |
| 09:13.46 | nvz | SerajewelKS: and the younger you are when that happens the less likely to know how to recover from it |
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| 09:14.24 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I am almost 24 now and I am just now learning how to adjust to changes like that in a relationship |
| 09:14.46 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i just gave up really... i figure if something happens, it happens |
| 09:15.05 | SerajewelKS | and if it doesn't, i have a great life of coding ahead of me |
| 09:15.25 | stoned | nvz, she digs videogames, skateboarding, metal music, philosophy, books, science... though she loves medicine/biology, I like technology |
| 09:15.51 | stoned | nvz, pretty much always had stuff in common. We never played with any of our other cousins, just us two always hung out and played together |
| 09:15.57 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah well thats like my little cousin who used to try and play outfield (baseball) by standing in one place and waiting for the ball to fall into his glove.. needless to say he didnt get many outs.. |
| 09:16.05 | SerajewelKS | stoned: wtf you're cousins? |
| 09:16.05 | stoned | Shes my first cousine too btw, but not blood related. Step mom's niece |
| 09:16.13 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 09:16.25 | SerajewelKS | dunno why but that's funny as hell |
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| 09:16.42 | stoned | SerajewelKS, and more than half my family is married to each other |
| 09:16.56 | SerajewelKS | nvz: you're saying that baseball and girls have something in common? |
| 09:16.58 | stoned | cousins and such |
| 09:16.58 | nvz | stoned: yeah dont feel bad I been to weddings in my family where the two werent blood related at all but I was already related to both of them before the marrage |
| 09:17.19 | SerajewelKS | stoned: you live in texas by chance? ;) |
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| 09:17.31 | stoned | nvz, feel bad? nah... there is nothing an ignorant american can say to make me feel bad |
| 09:17.42 | stoned | nvz, and you're not the one i'm talking about :) |
| 09:18.03 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah the bases, the points, and the effort needed to score |
| 09:18.09 | nvz | heh |
| 09:18.20 | nvz | I am proud of that one and I didnt even see it comming |
| 09:18.39 | nvz | stoned: heh |
| 09:19.01 | stoned | one hitters rule! |
| 09:19.06 | stoned | *tokery* |
| 09:19.10 | SerajewelKS | well since that's two people making hints that i'm an idiot, night |
| 09:19.18 | stoned | this actually means "basket" in urdu |
| 09:19.18 | stoned | :D |
| 09:19.19 | nvz | I am not.. |
| 09:19.36 | nvz | I am just trying to let you know not to pass up oppertunity |
| 09:20.06 | nvz | you never know when the ball will come into your field you have to know if you dont already that sometimes a little movement is nessicary |
| 09:21.13 | SerajewelKS | i guess there's nothing heading this way then |
| 09:21.22 | stoned | I would say tennis is a better analogy |
| 09:21.28 | stoned | when the ball is in your court |
| 09:21.31 | stoned | etc. no? |
| 09:21.46 | stoned | baseball, I dunno man |
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| 09:21.47 | SerajewelKS | yeah you hit it with a racquet... |
| 09:21.47 | nvz | I got into a fight a few days ago with someone I could see myself marrying one day and almost blew her off completly.. then I realized I have to apologize, grow some fucking patience, and maybe be willing to make adjustments |
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| 09:22.26 | cahoot | maybe get off irc and train on real life? |
| 09:22.26 | stoned | nvz, to keep mr. johnson happy, yeah, all men gotta do shit they don't wanna |
| 09:22.42 | SerajewelKS | maybe it would help you guys to know that i don't like sports much, so those analogies won't help much :) |
| 09:23.03 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: yeah there are lots of girls in a guy's dorm... at 4am... |
| 09:23.12 | stoned | its about the understanding, about the comprehension ... why analogies are used. |
| 09:23.12 | nvz | stoned: mr johnson is the least of my worries the older I get.. I'd be happy with a good massage and some stimulating conversation some days |
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| 09:23.56 | SerajewelKS | either my wife is going to have to be a computer person or i'm going to have to start giving a shit about other things, like sports, art, etc |
| 09:24.04 | SerajewelKS | because all of it is boring as hell to me |
| 09:24.17 | stoned | That is a semi-positive anti social trait |
| 09:24.19 | nvz | thats not to say I forgot about him, and he's tired and lazy anymore.. its just he's not the most important thing anymore |
| 09:24.21 | stoned | I suffer from it as well |
| 09:24.51 | stoned | wait |
| 09:24.54 | stoned | did that make sense |
| 09:25.01 | SerajewelKS | stoned: yes |
| 09:25.01 | stoned | can you 'suffer' from a trait? |
| 09:25.15 | stoned | I mean gramamtically did that make sense? or something |
| 09:25.18 | SerajewelKS | let's put it this way |
| 09:25.30 | SerajewelKS | if my wife doesn't know how ARP works, we're doomed |
| 09:25.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:25.51 | stoned | all my woman needs to know is how to fuck and cook |
| 09:25.59 | stoned | other than that I don't really give a shit about what she does |
| 09:26.03 | stoned | say or knows. |
| 09:26.23 | SerajewelKS | that's the mentality i try to avoid |
| 09:26.34 | nvz | yeah me too |
| 09:26.34 | stoned | my wife is my computer. That makes my woman my mistress. |
| 09:26.41 | stoned | Its probably why I still love her. |
| 09:26.57 | nvz | but he's stoned all the time and probably finds the most simple things stimulating :P |
| 09:27.11 | nvz | and good for him |
| 09:27.15 | SerajewelKS | i'd have a hard time married to someone i didn't respect |
| 09:27.15 | stoned | hey, it doesn't take much to entertai me |
| 09:27.18 | stoned | I love it this way |
| 09:27.30 | nvz | you probably should... no need to be complicated |
| 09:27.36 | stoned | exactly |
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| 09:27.53 | nvz | me I need some substance between eating and fucking |
| 09:28.12 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I never implied that I don't respect my woman |
| 09:28.32 | stoned | SerajewelKS, and this are the basic neccesseties she needs to have |
| 09:28.42 | stoned | of course, I would like her to have other qualities, and she does |
| 09:28.57 | SerajewelKS | then we look at it differently |
| 09:29.03 | stoned | yes |
| 09:29.06 | stoned | we do |
| 09:29.10 | SerajewelKS | "knowing how to fuck" is secondary to me |
| 09:29.21 | stoned | not me, I'm a very sexual being |
| 09:29.29 | SerajewelKS | i gathered :) |
| 09:29.35 | nvz | heh |
| 09:29.37 | stoned | its not enough that I get laid |
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| 09:29.40 | stoned | never enough |
| 09:29.46 | nvz | whoa that is enough |
| 09:29.47 | aardvarq | yeah a guy needs to eat too |
| 09:29.50 | stoned | I want her to initiate it, I want her to take charge sometimes |
| 09:29.50 | nvz | no more detail |
| 09:29.53 | stoned | I like to be used sometimes |
| 09:29.54 | Danielss89 | hi, when trying to install mysql i get these errors: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2744 |
| 09:29.55 | stoned | it feels good |
| 09:30.00 | stoned | makes you feel wanted and loved |
| 09:30.03 | stoned | at least in my case |
| 09:30.17 | SerajewelKS | to be honest, snuggling is where it's at :) |
| 09:30.28 | stoned | and thas great too |
| 09:30.40 | aardvarq | for some reason I misread that as "smuggling" |
| 09:30.45 | stoned | there is no one universal thing mate |
| 09:30.50 | stoned | everyone likes something different |
| 09:31.02 | ram_____ | Hi all, i have installed Debian on my USB Stick using the small isntaller CD, install goes perfect, after reboot i get this Error |
| 09:31.04 | Danielss89 | hi, when trying to install mysql i get these errors: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2744 <-- what could be wrong?? |
| 09:31.16 | aardvarq | Danielss89: That means mysql didn't start. |
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| 09:31.18 | stoned | ram_____, continue? or pastebin |
| 09:31.22 | SerajewelKS | hey look at that, debian-related chat |
| 09:31.29 | ram_____ | pivot_root:no such file or direcotory |
| 09:31.32 | Danielss89 | aardvarq yeah, but why wont it start:( |
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| 09:31.35 | enyc | Danielss89: yes you said that... hrrm it doesn't want to start ;-) |
| 09:31.48 | enyc | Danielss89: the funny thing being it seem t o mention stopping it first |
| 09:31.57 | ram_____ | "/sbtn/init:432: cannot open dev/console : No such file |
| 09:32.06 | Danielss89 | yeah enyc.. thats odd |
| 09:32.12 | ram_____ | Kernel Panic: Attempted to Kill init ! |
| 09:32.16 | enyc | Danielss89: it might actually be normal of course... |
| 09:32.16 | aardvarq | Danielss89: my psychic powers are useless on computers. You'll have to like check a logfile or something. |
| 09:32.28 | stoned | SerajewelKS, btw, when I say knows how to fuck I don't mean porn style, I mean knows how to fuck _me_ as in knows what her man likes and stuff |
| 09:32.32 | enyc | Danielss89: erm has it wriiten errros to mysql log sometwhere? |
| 09:32.40 | nvz | Danielss89: yeah you have a few options first I would try starting it manually and see if I can get more detail or read the log |
| 09:32.40 | cahoot | Danielss89: you don'thappen to use mixed sources? |
| 09:32.49 | Danielss89 | nope, the error logs are empty |
| 09:32.49 | ram_____ | so whats wrong here ? |
| 09:32.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: yeah the phrasing didn't sound that good :) |
| 09:33.02 | aardvarq | Danielss89: check daemon.log |
| 09:33.05 | nvz | Danielss89: when you are ready to say fuck it, edit the install script to return exit code 0 and move on.. heh |
| 09:33.06 | aardvarq | or syslog |
| 09:33.15 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I dont really like to swear much either, but damn man, the f-bomb is awesome |
| 09:33.17 | stoned | I love dropping it |
| 09:33.23 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i agree |
| 09:33.39 | enyc | ram_____: sounds like a system tahat wont start..... |
| 09:33.40 | peasse_ | hello! i have a problem with krusader : i can't run it in root mode : i run a debian testing with xfce4, and it seems that kdesu is requiered to be able to run krusader root-mode |
| 09:33.40 | ram_____ | iam not sure why this Stick is not booting......when the installation go very smooth.. |
| 09:33.41 | Danielss89 | "mysqld.sock doesnt excist" |
| 09:33.56 | SerajewelKS | stoned: and, i am actually a christian. but my view is that it's not an iherently evil word, just society deems it one. |
| 09:34.00 | enyc | ram_____: sounds like it hasnt got a "console" device for some reason... so init says 'I cant do anything' |
| 09:34.01 | SerajewelKS | inherently* |
| 09:34.03 | ram_____ | enyc: but installation go very smooth.. |
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| 09:34.14 | Danielss89 | aardvarq the mysqld.sock doesnt excist :S |
| 09:34.16 | nvz | stoned: its the K sound.. just makes you sound serious.. cock sucker muther fucker.. you just cant be ignored with language like that |
| 09:34.23 | peasse_ | i tried to use sudo instead of kdesu, but the app. won't start anyway |
| 09:34.24 | ram_____ | enyc: then how can i make it bootable.......any tips |
| 09:34.24 | aardvarq | Danielss89: Ah, help it find its sock. :) |
| 09:34.28 | stoned | sometime sI emphasize the CK sound |
| 09:34.30 | SerajewelKS | stoned: and societly sometimes tells us to fuck everyone we meet... so which is right |
| 09:34.31 | stoned | I completely agre |
| 09:34.32 | enyc | ram_____: ive not had that problem before you see |
| 09:34.37 | stoned | it feels good to say fucK! |
| 09:34.39 | stoned | :D |
| 09:34.45 | aardvarq | Danielss89: that sounds like the error from the control interface program thingie. |
| 09:34.46 | Danielss89 | hehe aardvarq how.. theres no file in /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 09:34.49 | stoned | say it loud and proud and yell it with feeling |
| 09:34.53 | SerajewelKS | stoned: but i have to be careful, because my family would have a fit |
| 09:35.01 | nvz | stoned: you may seem a little unintelligent or unsophisticated, but point is they arent going to ignore it |
| 09:35.01 | stoned | but its highly ot now since there is debian support required |
| 09:35.09 | enyc | Danielss89: did you have mysql installed en this system previously ? |
| 09:35.13 | SerajewelKS | stoned: true |
| 09:35.15 | aardvarq | Danielss89: that sounds like yet another error saying "it's broken because it didn't start" |
| 09:35.21 | Danielss89 | yeah, enyc.. |
| 09:35.24 | stoned | nvz, I seem very childish, imamture and stupid. However I am not. |
| 09:35.35 | enyc | Danielss89: you mught find nome old config etc. is amking it unhappy |
| 09:35.35 | ram_____ | it took me almost all 2 hours to install in my USB stick and its not booting.......looks bad consuming lot of time..............iam not sure how can i boot with the USB stick |
| 09:35.51 | cahoot | Danielss89: you run sarge or etch or what? |
| 09:35.53 | nvz | stoned: yeah and there are practically tumble weeds rolling around in -ot right now.. |
| 09:35.53 | Danielss89 | enyc how can i delete everything with mysql |
| 09:35.56 | aardvarq | Wow, I thought efnet was ASCII-only. |
| 09:35.59 | Danielss89 | cahoot etch |
| 09:36.02 | enyc | Danielss89: I wowould copy any old mysql config you need out of the way...... and 'dpkg -P' all the mysql packages.... |
| 09:36.04 | peasse_ | hello! i have a problem with krusader : i can't run it in root mode : i run a debian testing with xfce4, and it seems that kdesu is requiered to be able to run krusader root-mode |
| 09:36.04 | aardvarq | oh, my bad |
| 09:36.06 | aardvarq | this is freenode |
| 09:36.08 | nvz | stoned: I am in there, but I cant say as much for the people who want to talk ot |
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| 09:36.14 | stoned | nvz, I stopped visiting when abrotman started being a tool |
| 09:36.21 | enyc | Danielss89: else "apt-get --purge remove" all the different mysql packages you have installed |
| 09:36.27 | nvz | stoned: I hadnt noticed |
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| 09:36.36 | enyc | Danielss89: this will delete all the configurations etc. |
| 09:36.57 | aardvarq | Danielss89: What I would do in your place is find the error log that has the REAL error. |
| 09:37.01 | stoned | nvz, he stated that I don't know anything about computes, and my woman is with me for proabably some stupid crazy reason and she shouldn't be, I'm self centered and ignorant and very uneducated and I can' spell or speak english that well |
| 09:37.12 | aardvarq | Not another "error: it's broken" :) |
| 09:37.27 | PingFloyd | maybe backup you configuration before purging though |
| 09:37.30 | stoned | nvz, something about "people like you" referring to me |
| 09:37.37 | PingFloyd | like copy to another location for instance |
| 09:37.39 | nvz | stoned: hmm I've never seen him behave that way.. |
| 09:37.55 | PingFloyd | couldn't hurt, in case you need to revert back |
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| 09:39.12 | peasse_ | hello! i have a problem with krusader : i can run it in user mode but not in root mode : i run a debian testing with xfce4, and it seems that kdesu is requiered to be able to run krusader root-mode |
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| 09:39.25 | nvz | stoned: I know what its like to not fit in -ot sometimes though.. I usually have no clue what they are talking about |
| 09:39.33 | Danielss89 | ahh it worked enyc thanks... |
| 09:39.35 | stoned | nvz, I said fuck it. It started beause I called him out on guitar playing. I said I'm a much better guitarist than you because this is all I do, its my life. Its fact of the matter that the style of music I play require a highly developed technique command of the instrument. You play well, I play better. I produced my recordings and people like them and think I'm good. He thinks I'm arrogant etc. for calling him out. He couldn't produ |
| 09:39.35 | stoned | ce a single recording of his. He's been pissed at me ever since. When he was very rude to me tht time, I just said hey have the last word, enjoy, sleep at night, and I'm out |
| 09:39.41 | Danielss89 | and everyone else to;) |
| 09:39.59 | aardvarq | yay |
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| 09:40.02 | aardvarq | we fixed something |
| 09:40.12 | stoned | nvz, I'm human. I don't fit in. I change my env. to suit me. :) |
| 09:40.32 | aardvarq | They should make #debian into a MMORPG. |
| 09:40.35 | nvz | heh, good point |
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| 09:40.48 | aardvarq | Where you get experience points for battling the evil bugs. |
| 09:40.54 | stoned | lol |
| 09:40.56 | nvz | aardvarq: heh |
| 09:40.59 | stoned | that should be quoted |
| 09:40.59 | stoned | !! |
| 09:41.00 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 09:41.16 | PingFloyd | I want that mmorpg |
| 09:41.34 | nvz | I am happy to say that if i hadnt watched the WoW episode of south park I wouldnt even know what a mmorpg was |
| 09:41.37 | aardvarq | We just took out a level 28 mysql bug! Experience points for everybody! |
| 09:41.40 | Danielss89 | just one more thing: what does this mean: |
| 09:41.40 | Danielss89 | root@danielss89:/# cp /danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/lib/mysql/potterskolen /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 09:41.40 | Danielss89 | cp: omitting directory `/danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/lib/mysql/potterskolen' |
| 09:41.59 | SerajewelKS | Danielss89: it means you didn't use -r |
| 09:42.04 | nvz | Danielss89: you didnt use -r |
| 09:42.08 | Coke | Why does Debian ignore my /etc/udev/rules.d/z10_persistent-net.rules (pasted in http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3281)? What is wrong with these udev rules? It keeps setting eth0 to wrong HW. |
| 09:42.09 | SerajewelKS | !lose nvz |
| 09:42.09 | dpkg | nvz: You Lose. |
| 09:42.13 | nvz | heh |
| 09:42.14 | PingFloyd | msql would probably be a raid mob |
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| 09:42.43 | stoned | dpkg, exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 09:42.43 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 09:42.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 09:43.05 | SerajewelKS | You PK Bill Gates! You gain 2000 warpoints! |
| 09:43.07 | stoned | !exp4bugs |
| 09:43.07 | dpkg | somebody said exp4bugs was "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 09:43.18 | stoned | shweet! /me is cracking up stil |
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| 09:43.37 | nvz | at least someone thinks its funny |
| 09:43.55 | CharminTheMoose | good morning everybody |
| 09:43.57 | PingFloyd | Redmond should be the high level raid zone |
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| 09:44.20 | aardvarq | nvz is like one of those guys on WoW who's all "this is SERIOUS!" |
| 09:44.21 | aardvarq | :) |
| 09:44.23 | nvz | top-o the mornin', CharminTheMoose |
| 09:44.27 | SerajewelKS | PingFloyd: it requires a bust though... lots of lawyers by the front door. |
| 09:44.54 | nvz | aardvarq: I am happy to be completly ignorant to MMORPG or pretty much any and all RPG related stuff |
| 09:45.14 | aardvarq | SerajewelKS: stoned is a level 47 lawyer. |
| 09:45.15 | SerajewelKS | closest i get to MMO is Guild Wars and Evervar |
| 09:45.17 | SerajewelKS | Everwar too |
| 09:45.50 | stoned | nvz, I hate mmorpgs |
| 09:45.57 | SerajewelKS | aardvarq: what's his Legalese skill at? |
| 09:46.01 | stoned | I can't stand playing video games I don't have the patience for them anymore |
| 09:46.12 | Danielss89 | ive got a backup of var/lib/mysql from my other server, and now i want the databases i had from the other server copied in to my new server.. shouldt it be enough to copy the folder with tha database name to var/lib/mysql/foldername |
| 09:46.19 | stoned | nvz, however, the only game I play and enjoyed ever was Morrowind, and now Oblivion |
| 09:46.28 | PingFloyd | don't need games when you've got Linux |
| 09:46.31 | bony | i have a laptop with bluetooth in it. well i installed all the packages needed to load the driver into the kernel. dmesg shows this output http://pastebin.ca/316155. but when i give the command hcitools dev it dosn't show any devices. |
| 09:46.34 | stoned | nvz, that is the only kind of game that I can do at my own pace |
| 09:46.35 | nvz | stoned: I've never seen or heard of one.. if south park hadnt made fun of it I would still be oblivious |
| 09:46.35 | aardvarq | Danielss89: yep, it's that easy. |
| 09:46.37 | PingFloyd | it's like a big video game in itself |
| 09:46.39 | aardvarq | Long as you copy everything |
| 09:46.51 | CharminTheMoose | pS3 is gonna rock |
| 09:46.51 | stoned | nvz, checkit... http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/desktop.jpg |
| 09:47.07 | stoned | nvz, look at what I have to go through just to play oblivion |
| 09:47.08 | stoned | :( |
| 09:47.08 | peasse_ | hello! i have a problem with krusader : i can run it in user mode but not in root mode : i run a debian testing with xfce4, and it seems that kdesu is requiered to be able to run krusader root-mode |
| 09:47.10 | CharminTheMoose | unfortunatly I've yet to play and complete MGS:SE |
| 09:47.22 | Danielss89 | hmm aardvarq when i lounch phpmyadmin the database is created but no rows... and i checked the folder, all my row data is there |
| 09:47.28 | CharminTheMoose | What I've seen of it looks great |
| 09:47.34 | aardvarq | Danielss89: OH! |
| 09:47.41 | aardvarq | Version mismatch? |
| 09:47.47 | Danielss89 | damn |
| 09:47.49 | aardvarq | you have to run that proggie that converts the database |
| 09:47.51 | Danielss89 | that could be.. |
| 09:47.56 | aardvarq | Its real easy. |
| 09:48.00 | Danielss89 | which proggie is that :D |
| 09:48.01 | aardvarq | You just run it then you're done. |
| 09:48.07 | aardvarq | And it comes with the package. |
| 09:48.14 | aardvarq | But I forget what it's called. |
| 09:48.17 | Danielss89 | hehe. |
| 09:48.24 | nvz | stoned: is that one screen at that res? and did you have to link me to a 100mb picture? havent you heard of compression :P |
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| 09:48.52 | stoned | no |
| 09:48.58 | stoned | whats that :) |
| 09:49.18 | stoned | its like 2880x1200 |
| 09:49.22 | aardvarq | Danielss89: try mysql_upgrade |
| 09:49.23 | stoned | I think |
| 09:49.31 | aardvarq | if not, try these |
| 09:49.32 | SerajewelKS | 2560x1024 |
| 09:49.32 | aardvarq | mysqlcheck --check-upgrade --all-databases --auto-repair |
| 09:49.32 | aardvarq | mysql_fix_privilege_tables |
| 09:49.33 | stoned | I got a big desktop man, I can't help it |
| 09:49.33 | CharminTheMoose | nice desktop |
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| 09:49.52 | stoned | CharminTheMoose, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 09:49.54 | SerajewelKS | and it is jpeg compressed |
| 09:50.03 | Danielss89 | mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) when trying to connect |
| 09:50.15 | Danielss89 | isnt the perimiter -ppasword |
| 09:50.16 | aardvarq | oh you need to pass it -p |
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| 09:50.25 | stoned | CharminTheMoose, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/desktop.jpg |
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| 09:50.33 | SerajewelKS | while we're on desktops, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45280644/ and http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45234845/ |
| 09:50.37 | stoned | CharminTheMoose, thas when I'm booted under linux |
| 09:50.37 | aardvarq | or temporarily remove your root password, as long as it's only listening on localhost |
| 09:51.14 | cornernote | hello, i am installing zimbra |
| 09:51.20 | cornernote | and it says to do this: |
| 09:51.29 | cornernote | apt-get install libant1.5-java sudo libidn11 curl fetchmail libgmp3 libxml2 libstdc++6 openssl |
| 09:51.38 | cornernote | but it cant find libant1.5-java |
| 09:52.04 | cornernote | i did a aptitude search libant |
| 09:52.07 | peasse_ | hello! i have a problem with krusader : i can run it in user mode but not in root mode : i run a debian testing with xfce4, and it seems that kdesu is requiered to be able to run krusader root-mode |
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| 09:52.38 | stoned | aptitude install kdesu |
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| 09:52.51 | cornernote | stoned: me ? |
| 09:52.58 | SerajewelKS | !installit |
| 09:52.58 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:53.01 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: ^^^ |
| 09:53.04 | Danielss89 | aardvarq it doesnt seem like working |
| 09:53.30 | cornernote | oh, not me :) |
| 09:53.45 | Danielss89 | it checks some but not all |
| 09:54.03 | Danielss89 | aardvarq http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2745 |
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| 09:54.31 | stoned | peasse_, you CAN run it in root mode... su -c "krusader" |
| 09:54.37 | cat | hey anyone here is familiar with compiz? |
| 09:54.38 | stoned | or whatever the binary is called |
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| 09:55.09 | stoned | peasse_, however it will require root password and will be launched as root |
| 09:55.15 | aardvarq | Danielss89: looks fine to me |
| 09:55.21 | SerajewelKS | !tell cat about poll |
| 09:55.33 | stoned | !anyone |
| 09:55.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:56.56 | cat | for example i wanted it to run compiz but when i run it i get this error message /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 09:57.00 | peasse_ | stoned : thanks for your help : here's the result of your command : krusader: cannot connect to X server |
| 09:57.11 | stoned | ahh |
| 09:57.23 | stoned | it doesn't allow that |
| 09:57.25 | stoned | can't run it as root |
| 09:57.29 | stoned | oh well |
| 09:57.34 | stoned | just install kdesu then :) |
| 09:57.44 | peasse_ | how can i install it? |
| 09:57.51 | stoned | ap-get install kdesu |
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| 09:58.19 | aardvarq | apt-get is more effective though |
| 09:58.19 | peasse_ | apt-get install kdesu -> nothing |
| 09:58.19 | peasse_ | ah... |
| 09:58.19 | stoned | oh well try #kde |
| 09:58.29 | stoned | I don't if there is a package by this name |
| 09:58.44 | stoned | it should be a part of kde if you installed the whole thing |
| 09:58.44 | aardvarq | apt-cache search kdesu |
| 09:59.02 | stoned | then at that, I personally use sid |
| 09:59.08 | peasse_ | apt-cache search kdesu |
| 09:59.11 | stoned | !find kdesu testing |
| 09:59.19 | cat | any ideas with the compiz error please |
| 09:59.20 | peasse_ | -> lilo-config - KDE frontend for lilo configuration |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kdesu' (5 of 47): (/usr/share/locale/mn/LC_MESSAGES/kdesu.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-mn ;; (/usr/share/locale/bn/LC_MESSAGES/kdesud.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-bn ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/{kdesu|kdesud}) in libdevel/kdebase-dbg ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/kdesu/man-kdesu.1.docbook) in kde/kde-i18n-pt ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/kdesu/man-kdesu.1.docbook) in kde/kde-i18n-sv. |
| 09:59.26 | nvz | what about gksu or gnome-sudo |
| 09:59.33 | SerajewelKS | cat: so turn on composite |
| 10:00.01 | peasse_ | but why can i run krusader in user mode and not in root mode? |
| 10:00.13 | peasse_ | just cause of kdesu? |
| 10:00.34 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: because when as root you probably don't have DISPLAY set, and don't have the same ~/.Xauthority |
| 10:00.57 | peasse_ | ah... i think i see yhe problem now |
| 10:00.59 | aardvarq | #debian won't run as root either |
| 10:01.21 | stoned | peasse_, mostly for security reasons |
| 10:01.36 | peasse_ | k |
| 10:01.46 | cat | SerajewelKS: how whould i do that? |
| 10:01.55 | stoned | !search kdesu etch |
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| 10:02.14 | SerajewelKS | cat: ask google, there are literally thousands of docs on how to set up compiz |
| 10:02.20 | peasse_ | Does Krusader need KDE to run? |
| 10:02.20 | peasse_ | |
| 10:02.20 | peasse_ | No, Krusader does not need the KDE window manager to run on your computer but Krusader's natural environment is KDE |
| 10:02.28 | cat | thanks |
| 10:02.31 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: so? |
| 10:02.32 | stoned | its trivial cat |
| 10:02.34 | peasse_ | http://krusader.sourceforge.net/handbook/faq.html#faqi_kdelibs |
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| 10:02.48 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: how is that relevant to running it as root |
| 10:02.49 | K|NgGh0sT | I need X help, I'm out of ideas, my server restarted and when it did X wouldnt load, so I reinstalled the Nvidia drivers and such usingthe one-liner (Etch BTW). And now all I get is a black screen when X loads.... Any ideas? |
| 10:02.58 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: and generally, don't run file managers as root |
| 10:03.18 | stoned | and compiz will slow you down |
| 10:03.24 | peasse_ | why? krusader root mode is designed to run in ... root mode! |
| 10:03.34 | stoned | like literally bog your desktop even with a good gpu/cpu |
| 10:03.42 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: why are you using the nonfree drivers in a server? |
| 10:03.59 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, its a HTPC/Server |
| 10:04.26 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: eh? |
| 10:04.36 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, consult /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:04.51 | stoned | look for EE lines |
| 10:05.37 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, there are none |
| 10:05.41 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, for testing reasons, edit xorg.conf and use "nv" instead of "nvidia" |
| 10:05.45 | stoned | see if you can at least get in |
| 10:06.02 | Danielss89 | yeah aardvarq but theres still no data |
| 10:06.06 | stoned | if it is a server, you don't need 3d support, and even for htpc, no need for 3d, use free nv drivers |
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| 10:06.45 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, alright one sec, lemme reboot it |
| 10:06.53 | stoned | why? |
| 10:07.05 | K|NgGh0sT | see if X will load? |
| 10:07.06 | stoned | this isn't fscking Winblows :) |
| 10:07.09 | SerajewelKS | !reboot |
| 10:07.10 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 10:07.31 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell K|NgGh0sT about qotd2 |
| 10:07.42 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 10:07.42 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 10:07.43 | SerajewelKS | !tell K|NgGh0sT about selftell |
| 10:08.11 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, I dont get it |
| 10:08.30 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: just restart X |
| 10:08.31 | stoned | you don't have to restart the computer to restart X |
| 10:08.44 | Danielss89 | aardvarq this is when i start the mysql: Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 10:08.52 | stoned | alt+backspace will take care of it... if not, alt + f2 will bring tty2 |
| 10:08.54 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 10:08.55 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, serajewelks |
| 10:08.58 | stoned | kill the pids |
| 10:09.04 | stoned | restart X by startx |
| 10:09.18 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm doing stuff by ssh though |
| 10:09.25 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: so? |
| 10:09.33 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: you can restart x from a shell |
| 10:09.50 | K|NgGh0sT | That just freezes my ssh |
| 10:09.54 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: invoke-rc.d [gkx]dm restart |
| 10:09.58 | stoned | isn't ppid going to be ssh, and when ssh is dead, Xserver wont' die? |
| 10:10.01 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: where [gkx] is g, k, or x |
| 10:10.04 | stoned | or am I too high right now? |
| 10:10.05 | peasse_ | <SerajewelKS> : i've just installed sudo instead of the whole kde package, and tried to change dependencies in Kconfigurator, but nothing changed |
| 10:10.07 | CharminTheMoose | I heard it's possible to edit avis with The Gimp. is this true? |
| 10:10.33 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: i don't use kde much |
| 10:10.35 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, anyhow, that didnt change X |
| 10:10.41 | aardvarq | Danielss89: that's normal |
| 10:10.48 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: how did you restart X? |
| 10:10.54 | K|NgGh0sT | start and stop x |
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| 10:11.14 | Danielss89 | okey, but theres still no data in my database:D hehe |
| 10:11.19 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: how? |
| 10:11.25 | peasse_ | <SerajewelKS> : what file manager for xfce4 can i use instead of kruz? (i like panels !) |
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| 10:11.34 | K|NgGh0sT | killed the pids |
| 10:11.40 | azeem | peasse_: xfce4 uses thunar as file manager |
| 10:11.42 | aardvarq | Danielss89: are you copying all of the folders, or just some? |
| 10:11.44 | SerajewelKS | peasse_: why are you asking me? i don't know. |
| 10:11.47 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 10:11.48 | Danielss89 | just some |
| 10:11.51 | aardvarq | you should copy the mysql folder too I guess |
| 10:11.54 | peasse_ | ok sorry |
| 10:11.54 | Danielss89 | aardvarq just one folder |
| 10:11.58 | aardvarq | oh |
| 10:11.59 | Danielss89 | okey.. |
| 10:11.59 | CharminTheMoose | I heard it's possible to edit avis with The Gimp. is this true? |
| 10:12.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell CharminTheMoose about repeat |
| 10:12.08 | aardvarq | That'll mess with other things possibly though |
| 10:12.14 | aardvarq | like users |
| 10:12.16 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 10:12.18 | CharminTheMoose | :( |
| 10:12.23 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, still just a black screen |
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| 10:12.47 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: then recheck the log files |
| 10:12.54 | aardvarq | SerajewelKS: you should tell him twice |
| 10:12.55 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, you're going through ssh, but you want the Xserver to be started locally? |
| 10:12.56 | aardvarq | :) |
| 10:12.58 | stoned | I'm lost |
| 10:13.16 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i assume he is using ssh because X is borked |
| 10:13.23 | SerajewelKS | stoned: trying to fix it remotely etc |
| 10:13.24 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 10:13.38 | Danielss89 | lol aardvarq now it wont start the mysql again:D |
| 10:13.44 | deadcat | where in menuconfig i can find the webcam usb drivers? like ov511? |
| 10:13.57 | aardvarq | haah do the table upgrade thing again |
| 10:14.10 | stoned | deadcat, you're still up... |
| 10:14.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:14.18 | deadcat | stoned: just came out the shower. |
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| 10:14.26 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 10:14.33 | stoned | ahh |
| 10:14.40 | Danielss89 | well it wont even start the mysql, so i guess i will do it all over again when i get home from work.. gotta go now, i will come back later and tell you about my success aardvarq, which i prob. wont have:D |
| 10:14.41 | Danielss89 | lol |
| 10:14.42 | stoned | you found the culprit I believe |
| 10:14.49 | aardvarq | I think this cheese expires on march 5th 1315. |
| 10:14.56 | stoned | isn't is advised to disale the glx extention |
| 10:14.59 | stoned | and dri |
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| 10:15.01 | SerajewelKS | stoned: of course, nv doesn't have glx |
| 10:15.14 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, that wasnt english ;) |
| 10:15.24 | stoned | look at my nickname dude |
| 10:15.24 | deadcat | stoned: i was gonna sleep early because i want to do my long run in the morning tomorrow.. but since i know i cant wake up early tomorrow. i'll just sleep in. (= |
| 10:15.27 | stoned | :) |
| 10:15.28 | K|NgGh0sT | touche |
| 10:15.31 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: comment out the glx and dri modules |
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| 10:15.40 | rusher | how do you recover deleted files in Linux |
| 10:15.41 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:15.43 | deadcat | somebody help! |
| 10:15.48 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: maybe the nvidia stuff messed up up the graphics frame buffer etc., it might be better to reboot after al |
| 10:15.49 | stoned | deadcat, I don't know! |
| 10:15.50 | SerajewelKS | rusher: depends on the fs |
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| 10:16.16 | rusher | ext3 |
| 10:16.18 | stoned | SerajewelKS, no I meant when using the nvidia module |
| 10:16.22 | rusher | doesnt linux come with a program ? |
| 10:16.25 | SerajewelKS | rusher: ah, then you don't |
| 10:16.39 | stoned | SerajewelKS, nvidia advises not to use glx/dri extentions |
| 10:16.40 | deadcat | i remember there is a command.. for ext2 or something. |
| 10:16.50 | aardvarq | rusher: There is a way actually. I can walk you through it, but first you'll need to find a flux capacitor and a delorean. I'll wait. |
| 10:16.50 | SerajewelKS | yes, e2undel |
| 10:16.55 | SerajewelKS | which does not work with ext2 |
| 10:17.00 | SerajewelKS | ext3 rather |
| 10:17.03 | deadcat | ah |
| 10:17.08 | stoned | ext3 will NOT undelete |
| 10:17.15 | rusher | in my LUG< they were showing us a way to recover deleted items from the disk |
| 10:17.20 | rusher | seemed like a simple command |
| 10:17.25 | stoned | inode block is overwritten as a 0 |
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| 10:17.29 | SerajewelKS | rusher: were they using ext2? |
| 10:17.30 | stoned | whereas ext2 does not do tha |
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| 10:17.40 | stoned | having a journal in ext3 does not allow for undelete |
| 10:17.41 | rusher | ext3 or ext2 |
| 10:17.45 | rusher | ih |
| 10:17.49 | rusher | oh |
| 10:17.55 | SerajewelKS | rusher: because it's not possible with ext3 |
| 10:17.59 | cornernote | how do i tell my debian version ? |
| 10:18.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Alright, I commented them out, and restarted X, still blank screen, and Xorg.0.log has no errors now |
| 10:18.08 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: /etc/debian_version |
| 10:18.21 | cornernote | 4.0 |
| 10:18.29 | rusher | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:18.37 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: so you're using 4.0 |
| 10:18.37 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: paste the last two or three pages of Xorg.0.log to a pastebin |
| 10:18.42 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 10:18.42 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 10:18.44 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: neat how that works, huh? |
| 10:18.56 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, can you get into even cli? how about you uninstall *dm and reboot, does it show anyting on screen ? |
| 10:19.05 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, it might be hw related |
| 10:19.14 | cornernote | :) |
| 10:19.19 | SerajewelKS | maybe the monitor is unplugged! |
| 10:19.20 | stoned | does it even show it booting up? |
| 10:19.53 | cornernote | 4.0 = etch ? |
| 10:19.58 | stoned | yes |
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| 10:20.06 | stoned | !etch |
| 10:20.06 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 10:20.07 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: wtf, you don't know what repo you are using? |
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| 10:20.37 | candyman|bib | hahaha |
| 10:20.48 | stoned | repo man |
| 10:20.51 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:21.03 | cornernote | no, i'm a complete noob to all of this |
| 10:21.06 | candyman|bib | he is a mr. almost |
| 10:21.10 | stoned | i wonder how they get those repossessed mobile homes |
| 10:21.13 | cornernote | i'm coming from windows and just getting started |
| 10:21.16 | stoned | how do you sneak away a house |
| 10:21.17 | stoned | lol |
| 10:21.39 | K|NgGh0sT | sorry, I had to use the throne |
| 10:21.43 | stoned | knock knock, yes can you go into your backyard for about an hour? |
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| 10:23.09 | azeem | cornernote: no problem |
| 10:23.16 | cornernote | ok.. well my problem is i am trying to install zimbra, and i think its designed for debian 3.1... i wanted to use netinst and the only support for my card was 4.0 |
| 10:23.26 | cornernote | but now i think i want the 3.1 packages |
| 10:23.32 | cornernote | anyone to go backwards ? |
| 10:23.44 | stoned | unfortunately no |
| 10:23.54 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: what is zimbra? |
| 10:23.54 | cornernote | or should i reinstall from a debian cd (not netinst) and then install my lan driver |
| 10:24.08 | stoned | can't go from etch/sid to sarge |
| 10:24.15 | stoned | well, without a reinstall that is |
| 10:24.27 | cornernote | its a mail thingy (sorry for the technical description) |
| 10:24.30 | cornernote | http://www.zimbra.com |
| 10:24.30 | K|NgGh0sT | My... Xorg.0.log is at http://pastebin.ca/316178 |
| 10:24.35 | azeem | he's trying to install one sarge package on etch |
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| 10:25.12 | bastien | hi |
| 10:25.16 | azeem | cornernote: does it have to be zimbra? |
| 10:25.22 | K|NgGh0sT | My Tv is attached, I assure you, I can see the whole boot process ;) |
| 10:25.27 | bastien | so many people ! |
| 10:25.28 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 10:25.35 | SerajewelKS | open source messaging... that you have to buy |
| 10:25.43 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: ejabberd |
| 10:25.58 | cornernote | azeem - i am trying open-xchange and zimbra |
| 10:26.36 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: does the log really stop at "(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded" |
| 10:26.42 | cornernote | azeem: so it has to be zimbra until i see which one i like better |
| 10:26.51 | azeem | ok |
| 10:26.53 | pe3r | !dd |
| 10:26.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 10:27.11 | azeem | cornernote: do they have a apt repository, or just a .deb package to install? Or is it something else even? |
| 10:27.23 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, yes |
| 10:27.26 | azeem | weired |
| 10:27.37 | stoned | it doesn't seem to be comlete to me |
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| 10:27.47 | K|NgGh0sT | should I just remove all of X? |
| 10:28.06 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 10:28.15 | SerajewelKS | azeem: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=153217&package_id=188896 |
| 10:28.19 | cornernote | azeem - something else even |
| 10:28.26 | cornernote | its a install.sh |
| 10:28.28 | azeem | cornernote: maybe just try to install that and see how it goes |
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| 10:29.12 | stoned | umm |
| 10:29.13 | cornernote | yeah - thats what i'm trying... i'll explain the issue.. maybe i can work-around |
| 10:29.15 | K|NgGh0sT | wtf, there are 23lb rabbits feeding north korea?!? |
| 10:29.16 | stoned | guys |
| 10:29.18 | K|NgGh0sT | whoops wrong chan |
| 10:29.23 | stoned | what happened to lspci -X |
| 10:29.24 | stoned | ? |
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| 10:29.54 | cornernote | azeem - it checks for required packages and gives this: sudo...MISSING |
| 10:30.02 | azeem | cornernote: then install sudo |
| 10:30.05 | azeem | apt-get install sudo |
| 10:30.06 | cornernote | so i do >> apt-get install sudo |
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| 10:30.11 | azeem | good |
| 10:30.12 | cornernote | >> sudo is already the newest version. |
| 10:30.16 | azeem | cornernote: bah |
| 10:30.21 | cornernote | lol |
| 10:30.31 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, any idea? |
| 10:30.31 | azeem | cornernote: at this point, you could try to debug their install.sh... |
| 10:30.40 | cornernote | yeah.. i'll have a poke |
| 10:30.42 | azeem | cornernote: or ask on their forums etc. if there are any |
| 10:30.56 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: sorry, no, that X log looks good, if it really is all of it |
| 10:31.08 | K|NgGh0sT | That is all of it |
| 10:31.27 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: hrm, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and choose the other option for the kernel frame buffer question |
| 10:31.54 | deadcat | what the fuck. iov511 is in the drivers/media/usb in the kernel tree, but i just cant find it in menuconfig |
| 10:32.33 | azeem | maybe it is experimental |
| 10:32.36 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, can you think of anything? |
| 10:32.39 | stoned | deadcat, I KNOW you wanna get with some onlien chic and webcam freaky goin on |
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| 10:32.48 | deadcat | azeem: no way. ov511 is old stuff |
| 10:33.04 | stoned | K|NgGh0sT, no man, I'm lost. azeem is much more knowledgable than I. Let him help you |
| 10:33.23 | stoned | deadcat, smirk |
| 10:33.25 | stoned | :D |
| 10:33.25 | deadcat | stoned: i have a webcam so i am gonna make it work.. |
| 10:33.45 | stoned | im just playing man |
| 10:33.46 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:33.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:34.05 | deadcat | and i've seen those usb webcam driver under usb before.. |
| 10:34.14 | deadcat | in menuconfig |
| 10:34.26 | rusher | anyone use netcat |
| 10:34.31 | archetype | all of a sudden i get an error that i dont have a demux for mp3s for xine.libxine1-libmad0 are installed (and working until yesterday).I checked also the file and xineplug_dmx_audio.so and it is there.Any ideas? |
| 10:34.35 | stoned | !anyone |
| 10:34.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:34.44 | deadcat | thats it.. i am downloading 2.6.10 kernel source. |
| 10:34.55 | K|NgGh0sT | Well, maybe someone can help me with my apt-get upgrade issue... http://pastebin.ca/316184 |
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| 10:34.59 | multi_io | two questions about http://paste.debian.net/20032 : |
| 10:35.06 | multi_io | - why is "etch", not "testing" set to 980 in the apt-policy output? |
| 10:35.14 | multi_io | - why doesn't apt-policy output the full URLs of the apt sources? |
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| 10:39.12 | Knightmare | hi |
| 10:39.29 | Knightmare | can anyone tell me simillar program to Adobe Bridge for Debian ??? |
| 10:39.36 | bkw | I'm running postfix in chroot env and sasl to auth. I wonder if it's hard to get imp4 webmail going with my setup? |
| 10:39.36 | peasse_ | does anyone knows the "chown" feature in midnight commander? how to use it recursively on a folder? thx |
| 10:40.01 | Knightmare | can anyone tell me simillar program to Adobe Bridge for Debian ??? |
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| 10:40.38 | tuv | Knightmare, what does it exactly do? |
| 10:40.57 | Knightmare | well u can manage your photo collection with it |
| 10:41.09 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: sorry, that one looks strange; you have enough disk space I assume |
| 10:41.16 | Knightmare | you can rename hundreds of picture at the same time |
| 10:41.18 | tuv | f-spot does that |
| 10:41.19 | peasse_ | does anyone knows the "chown" feature in midnight commander? how to use it recursively on a folder? thx |
| 10:41.29 | azeem | peasse_: chown -R |
| 10:41.36 | Knightmare | it can't rename lot's of picture at the same time |
| 10:41.43 | Knightmare | you had to do it manually |
| 10:41.44 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, ya couple terabytes free |
| 10:41.46 | azeem | peasse_: only use it on folders in your home directory, though |
| 10:41.56 | tuv | not sure about it's exact features though. it's still evolving and misses few things |
| 10:42.17 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, what if the issue wasnt Xorg, or the nvidia drivers, cause I see the nvidia driver screen for a split second |
| 10:42.20 | tuv | Knightmare, bash can! |
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| 10:42.44 | cornernote | wheres the pastebin ? |
| 10:42.48 | cornernote | ~paste |
| 10:42.57 | apt | [paste] http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 10:42.58 | cornernote | ~bin |
| 10:42.59 | apt | well, bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 10:42.59 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 10:43.01 | Knightmare | yes i know that bash can |
| 10:43.06 | bastien | see yah |
| 10:43.07 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: as I said, the only thing I could think of is the kernel frame buffer stuff |
| 10:43.08 | cornernote | thanks :) |
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| 10:43.19 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, and how would I find that? |
| 10:43.24 | Knightmare | but the idea is that i want to separate the photos by quality |
| 10:43.26 | azeem | 11:20 < azeem> K|NgGh0sT: hrm, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and choose the other option for the kernel frame buffer question |
| 10:43.28 | cornernote | ok - heres the part of the installer that checks if a package is installed |
| 10:43.29 | cornernote | http://pastebin.ca/316188 |
| 10:43.29 | peasse_ | azeem : i know chown -R in command line, but in mc what's the command to chown recursively? |
| 10:43.34 | azeem | peasse_: no idea |
| 10:43.35 | Knightmare | for example 1600x1200 in separate folder |
| 10:43.47 | peasse_ | azeem : thx btw |
| 10:43.49 | archetype | all of a sudden i get an error that i dont have a demux for mp3s for xine.libxine1-libmad0 are installed (and working till yesterday).I checked also the file and xineplug_dmx_audio.so and it is there.Any ideas? |
| 10:43.51 | cornernote | can anyone help me change it from sarge to etch ? |
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| 10:43.56 | tuv | Knightmare, is the quality information available in exif tags? |
| 10:44.08 | Knightmare | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:44.31 | tuv | Knightmare, then bash + exiftags |
| 10:44.43 | tuv | Knightmare, or any other exif CLI tool |
| 10:45.34 | tuv | Knightmare, they're pretty handy. i have a script that renames all the photos in a dir. according to their shooting date and time, and organize them in folders based on dates |
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| 10:45.48 | Coke | Why does these udev rules (http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3281) not set my interface names correctly? The two first cards just keeps getting random order. |
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| 10:46.31 | tuv | Knightmare, tbh, i'm not aware of any mature photo management GUI tool |
| 10:46.42 | Knightmare | ok |
| 10:46.50 | tuv | Knightmare, i think there are few web based ones |
| 10:47.02 | Knightmare | any idea for one ? |
| 10:47.05 | tuv | Knightmare, but i don't like the idea of runnign a webserver on my laptop |
| 10:47.05 | deadcat | see. usb webcam driver in menuconfig before: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/usbwebcammenuconfig.png |
| 10:47.20 | K|NgGh0sT | I have a pid for " 6717 tty8 00:00:00 XKeepsCrashing |
| 10:47.20 | tuv | Knightmare, apt-cache search |
| 10:49.04 | K|NgGh0sT | I dont even understand how one reboot could kill all of X |
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| 10:49.11 | cahoot | Coke: looks like this here: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:02:3c:00:20:00:76:29", NAME="eth1" |
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| 10:52.25 | monokrome | hrm |
| 10:52.35 | monokrome | My dist-upgrade worked |
| 10:52.57 | monokrome | but every time that I want to apt-get something, I get told that the packages can't be authenticated |
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| 10:53.01 | cornernote | yay - i did it... the installer doesnt even recognise etch... just added it in with the same options as sarge and it seems all good! |
| 10:53.02 | monokrome | Is there a key that I need to get or something? |
| 10:53.15 | Coke | cahoot: I'm running testing |
| 10:53.26 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, is it common for x not to recognise your video card? |
| 10:53.27 | cahoot | idem |
| 10:55.00 | Coke | cahoot: I'll test your type of setup at next reboot |
| 10:55.24 | cahoot | Coke: it's straight from persisten-net.rules |
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| 10:57.09 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone know howto make X find your video card? cause its not recognising thats its a Geforce 5900 |
| 10:57.31 | H2S04 | your x doesn't identify your vid card :-p |
| 10:57.43 | Coke | cahoot: that's not how my persistent-net.rules looked |
| 10:58.20 | xingu | !topicsmite monokrome |
| 10:58.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon monokrome. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:00.10 | stoned | ...and there was rejoicing. |
| 11:00.31 | cornernote | amen |
| 11:01.14 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: according to your log, you video card got recognized |
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| 11:09.51 | uwe | hello, does anyone know if there is there a way to get stuff that is on trixbox(centos) to work on debian? |
| 11:10.15 | war | When burning a Knoppix DVD ISO in Linux and then MD5'ing the /dev/hda afterward, it does not produce the same MD5. |
| 11:10.17 | war | With CD's it works fine. |
| 11:10.28 | war | DVD burning in Linux pia and UDF support not ready yet either. |
| 11:10.29 | war | gr. |
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| 11:12.22 | blondie | maybe your drive is broken... or dodgy media |
| 11:13.02 | valdyn | war: use cmp to compare /dev/hda and file.iso |
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| 11:13.30 | valdyn | war: just using md5 is silly |
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| 11:14.44 | StormBlade | Checking for convert... no. |
| 11:14.53 | StormBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.02 | azeem | StormBlade: imagemagick |
| 11:15.13 | valdyn | !tell StormBlade -about search |
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| 11:16.34 | StormBlade | i know it valdyn but when i search for convert it told me about lots of libs and progs |
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| 11:21.02 | war | valdyn: doesnt work either |
| 11:21.08 | war | valdyn: DVD burning in linux is f'd :) |
| 11:21.35 | cornernote | how do i change from dhcp to static from SSH ? |
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| 11:22.15 | xingu | "carefully" |
| 11:22.19 | cornernote | is there like a point and shoot script ? |
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| 11:25.14 | eisen | war: that checksum check never worked properly for iso images. It has to do with how the last block is written afaik. There is a -pad option in cdrecrod that might rectify this, but ymmv |
| 11:26.27 | eisen | war: you could mount the iso as a loop and diff -r both mount points. |
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| 11:27.40 | war | eisen: I know that |
| 11:27.43 | war | eisen: thanks for mentioning it |
| 11:27.49 | war | eisen: but yeah I figured that out a while back |
| 11:27.56 | war | eisen: DVD images have serious problems though it appears |
| 11:28.05 | war | eisen: and Linux does not support writing UDF images over 1GB |
| 11:28.08 | war | bs. |
| 11:28.14 | eisen | it does |
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| 11:28.26 | unseensoul | hi |
| 11:28.28 | eisen | I use udf on dvd ram with success |
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| 11:29.25 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: you could edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:29.38 | SerajewelKS | cornernote: then "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" from the shell and pray |
| 11:29.57 | unseensoul | i installed sun-java5-jre package, but i still can't view java apps in the browser. what's happening? |
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| 11:30.06 | cornernote | SerajewelKS: the box is right next to me... its not mission critical :) |
| 11:30.21 | cornernote | if it doesnt work i can always throw it at something |
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| 11:30.30 | eisen | war: I always use udf when files are larger than 1gb |
| 11:30.36 | cornernote | generally that doesnt fix it, but makes me feel better :) |
| 11:30.53 | SerajewelKS | unseensoul: did you restart the browser/ |
| 11:31.20 | unseensoul | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 11:31.59 | SerajewelKS | unseensoul: which browser |
| 11:32.16 | craigevil | you need the java plugin as well, at least for firefox/opera |
| 11:32.37 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: which comes with the jre |
| 11:32.46 | unseensoul | SerajewelKS, firefox...i even rebooted my system |
| 11:32.59 | SerajewelKS | !reboot |
| 11:32.59 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 11:33.09 | unseensoul | lol |
| 11:33.14 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 11:33.14 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 11:33.14 | peasse_ | what's the apt-get command to install java and java plugin for firefox? |
| 11:33.24 | SerajewelKS | !tell peasse_ about install java |
| 11:33.29 | craigevil | no the plugin is separate, apt-get install sun-java5-plugin |
| 11:33.48 | peasse_ | thx <craigevil>, i try this |
| 11:33.59 | unseensoul | SerajewelKS, so what's the problem with it? |
| 11:34.04 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: you mean the package that doesn't exist? |
| 11:34.25 | craigevil | then why does it show up with apt-cache search and in synaptic? |
| 11:34.29 | eisen | war: oh, it's a kernel bug with newer kernels it seems |
| 11:34.51 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: maybe you installed it somewhere, but it's not in stock debian |
| 11:35.01 | eisen | haven't encountered it yet, but good to know |
| 11:35.05 | war | eisen: yup |
| 11:35.10 | war | eisen: try to write > 1gb CORE DUMp |
| 11:35.13 | craigevil | it is in non-free the same as the rest of sun-java |
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| 11:35.48 | SerajewelKS | since when did we provide builds of java? boggling... |
| 11:36.01 | peasse_ | craigevil : apt-get install sun-java5-plugin -> no packet found (sourcelist issue?) |
| 11:36.05 | eisen | war: damn, gotta rethink my backup strategy then :\ |
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| 11:36.30 | craigevil | its only in etch and sid> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=sun-java5-plugin&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 11:37.06 | peasse_ | craigevil : i run etch |
| 11:37.09 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: i know, i am on etch. i just thought that we didn't package java for license reasons. |
| 11:37.25 | SerajewelKS | i guess that all changed at some point |
| 11:37.43 | craigevil | its been there a few months |
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| 11:38.02 | craigevil | peasse_: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 11:38.28 | peasse_ | uh wait plz... |
| 11:38.29 | anapivirtua | oyo |
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| 11:43.29 | sam_uk | on gnome my menu changes do not persist between reboot, i am using gnome-main-menu, how can i make changes 'stick'? |
| 11:43.46 | archetype | all of a sudden i get an error that i dont have a demux for mp3s for xine.libxine1-libmad0 are installed (and working till yesterday).I checked also the file and xineplug_dmx_audio.so and it is there.Any ideas what could go wrong? |
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| 11:47.01 | peasse_ | <craigevil> i have deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main and deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 11:47.29 | craigevil | peasse_: add contrib non-free to the end of the first one |
| 11:47.43 | craigevil | then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 11:48.07 | peasse_ | k |
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| 11:52.13 | peasse_ | <craigevil> thc for all, i'l downloading java ;) |
| 11:52.34 | peasse_ | 22Mo thought, ouch! |
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| 11:56.19 | sybec | hello not #ubuntu |
| 11:57.40 | jetscreamer | more like ubuntu is not debian |
| 11:57.48 | jetscreamer | a fine point, but very distinctive |
| 11:58.03 | sybec | huh? |
| 11:58.55 | [wz]MaC | someone in here, who knows about mod_security2 in apache and ruleset from gotroot.com? i installed both, no errors, and phpinfo shows mod_security2 running, but seems to me, that it hasn't loaded the rules |
| 11:59.01 | [wz]MaC | some method to test this? |
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| 12:01.58 | ulfstand | hi, I'm having problems to mount my nfs server. I got the error RPC: error 15 (Program not registered) |
| 12:04.33 | peasse_ | craigevil : in firefox i try to see the clock at http://www.horlogeparlante.com/, but i only see the plugin request ... does i need something else? |
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| 12:05.41 | valdyn | peasse_: a java plugin |
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| 12:05.54 | craigevil | peasse_: check what plugins firefox is using type: about:plugins in the address bar |
| 12:06.24 | valdyn | peasse_: on which architecture? debian/i386 ? |
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| 12:06.52 | peasse_ | craigevil libflashplayer.so libnullplugin.so |
| 12:07.06 | peasse_ | valdyn : i386 testing |
| 12:07.39 | craigevil | delete the pluginreg/dat file in your /.mozilla/firefox folder then restart firefox |
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| 12:07.56 | peasse_ | k |
| 12:08.02 | valdyn | peasse_: you need to install sun-java5-jre or alternatively java-gcj-compat-plugin |
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| 12:08.41 | sybec | eh.. does anyone else (except me) have problems upgrading to the latest iceweasel on debian -unstable? |
| 12:09.19 | sybec | the: "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/firefox'" kind |
| 12:09.41 | valdyn | sybec: have you checked the bts? |
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| 12:09.51 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205 Iceweasel/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-1) <this one? nope |
| 12:10.44 | peasse_ | craigevil i deleted pluginreg/dat in my user folder, and restarted ff, but don't see java plugin in about:plugins |
| 12:10.54 | craigevil | ulfstand: see http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html |
| 12:11.51 | peasse_ | valdyn : i've already installed sun-java5-jre |
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| 12:12.30 | peasse_ | valdyn : and sun-java5-plugin |
| 12:12.40 | sybec | craigevil: do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 12:12.42 | valdyn | peasse_: your firefox is where from? debian? |
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| 12:12.43 | sybec | or sun jre |
| 12:12.47 | craigevil | yes |
| 12:13.28 | craigevil | sybec: my firefox/iceweasel info: http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/infolister.html |
| 12:13.51 | ulfstand | craigevil: thx |
| 12:13.58 | peasse_ | i installed it from a package found in the firefox website (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061208 Firefox/2.0.0.1) |
| 12:14.14 | peasse_ | valdyn : i installed it from a package found in the firefox website (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061208 Firefox/2.0.0.1) |
| 12:14.17 | valdyn | peasse_: ok, its just not finding debian's plugins then |
| 12:14.28 | craigevil | peasse_: so your not using a Debian package, but the Mozilla version? |
| 12:15.06 | peasse_ | i've installed this : firefox-2.0.0.1.tar.gz |
| 12:15.07 | valdyn | peasse_: copy it over: cp /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so ~/.firefox/plugins/ |
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| 12:15.40 | craigevil | copy the plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to the plugin folder where you extracted it |
| 12:15.41 | valdyn | peasse_: that package just doesn't know about debian's plugin locations |
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| 12:16.18 | peasse_ | k |
| 12:16.27 | skejoe | Hi! how do I install my nvidia Ti 4200 AGP8x on etch? |
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| 12:16.45 | valdyn | !info iceweasel testing |
| 12:17.15 | craigevil | sybec see bug # 399670 |
| 12:17.17 | ulfstand | craigevil: that didn't help me :( |
| 12:17.24 | skejoe | I've tried to run m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source, which gives me this: http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skrmbilledelf5.png |
| 12:18.15 | sybec | never mind, I've fixed it |
| 12:18.16 | valdyn | skejoe: so DO what that error sais |
| 12:18.16 | peasse_ | cool, it works now!many thx <craigevil> (and valdyn !) |
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| 12:18.33 | skejoe | valdyn, I'm newbie so I wouldn't know what to look for.. |
| 12:19.03 | valdyn | skejoe: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, append ' contrib non-free' to the line starting with 'deb' |
| 12:19.38 | valdyn | skejoe: then run 'apt-get update', then run m-a again as you did before |
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| 12:20.06 | valdyn | skejoe: beside that im not sure that is even the right driver for your rather old card, it could be that you need to use the nvidia-legacy-source package |
| 12:20.10 | sybec | hahaha.. wtf .. finally they made some proper modifications to the iceweasel about box |
| 12:20.23 | avtobiff | sybec, what does it say? |
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| 12:20.50 | skejoe | valdyn, a lot of lines starts with 'deb'.. and how should I append it? |
| 12:21.02 | valdyn | skejoe: show that file |
| 12:21.03 | sybec | it *doesn't* say firefox |
| 12:21.05 | valdyn | !tell skejoe -about paste |
| 12:21.08 | sybec | nor does it show the ffx planet |
| 12:21.18 | sybec | it shows a weasel |
| 12:22.16 | craigevil | iceweasel about >http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4018/snapshot26zr2.jpg |
| 12:23.49 | skejoe | valdyn, http://pastebin.antistof.dk/90 |
| 12:24.15 | valdyn | skejoe: deb http://debian.uni-c.dk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:24.37 | valdyn | skejoe: but it makes sense that you add it to all lines |
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| 12:25.42 | skejoe | valdyn, okay. shouldn't it be aptitude update ? |
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| 12:26.03 | valdyn | skejoe: sure, if you prefer aptitude |
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| 12:27.23 | valdyn | skejoe: nvidia-kernel-legacy-source is the alternative for old cards, i dont know for certain which you need, www.nvidia.com knows |
| 12:27.25 | skejoe | valdyn, btw. couldn't figure out the nvidia-legacy-source package.. |
| 12:27.42 | peasse_ | a question (another!) : how can i set firefox as the default browser in Debian? |
| 12:27.58 | beardy | !www-browser |
| 12:27.58 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config www-browser' Also ask me about "x-www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 12:28.01 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 12:28.01 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 12:28.04 | peasse_ | i herd about the "update-alternatives" |
| 12:28.07 | beardy | !gnome-browser |
| 12:28.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where is that unofficial Debian Etch release-critical bugs site? (I know there is one on Debian.org, but there was another one that supposedly was more up to date) |
| 12:28.29 | beardy | !gnomebrowser |
| 12:28.30 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
| 12:28.37 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: nonsense |
| 12:28.50 | Nameeater | hi, I am trying to dist-upgrade sarge -> etch and I am getting these http://channels.debian.net/paste/5079 errors, any ideas? |
| 12:28.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Some guy linked me to it a couple weeks ago |
| 12:28.58 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: bugs.debian.org/release-critical is autogenerated |
| 12:29.40 | peasse_ | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser -> it only finds epiphany (nothing to configure) |
| 12:29.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Well, the guy said it's not very up to date. I'm not sure whether it's the case or not, but that site he showed me did have a bit fewer bugs, which could indicate that it's slightly more updated |
| 12:30.00 | peasse_ | usr/bin/epiphany |
| 12:30.06 | peasse_ | and that's all |
| 12:30.13 | craigevil | peasse_: thats because your not using a debian package and it doenst recognize firefox |
| 12:30.25 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:19:07 -0800 is the date on the last closed bug from the site i linked |
| 12:30.26 | beardy | peasse_: Then you have installed some non-debian version, because you like version numbers better than stability. |
| 12:30.33 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: quite recent.. |
| 12:30.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok.. |
| 12:30.59 | peasse_ | again that problem... i think i should reinstall firefox with the debian package! |
| 12:31.12 | valdyn | peasse_: yes |
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| 12:31.52 | peasse_ | shoul i install iceweassel valdyn or craigevil? |
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| 12:32.05 | valdyn | peasse_: i think its not in testing yet |
| 12:32.09 | beardy | take valdyn, it's known to be working |
| 12:32.12 | peasse_ | sid? |
| 12:32.16 | Nameeater | surely some one else has had dist-upgrade errors, its a pretty basic sarge install :/ |
| 12:32.22 | craigevil | iceweasel is the lastest version of firefox in sid yes |
| 12:32.23 | valdyn | peasse_: if it is or not, 'apt-get install firefox' gets it anyway |
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| 12:32.56 | Revellion | anyone in here use apt-cacher? |
| 12:32.57 | peasse_ | valdyn : which version of firefox will i get with that command? v2? |
| 12:33.20 | beardy | Revellion: Ask a real question, and not to me. |
| 12:33.21 | valdyn | Nameeater: you want to be less vague, plenty people have a ton of issues upgrading and fix it themselves without even remember those small issues ( which they usualy are for a knowledgable sid user ) |
| 12:33.32 | archetype | peasse_: in sid yeap |
| 12:33.47 | Nameeater | valdyn: I dont want to repeat my question above, with the link to my errors |
| 12:33.50 | valdyn | !info firefox testing |
| 12:33.50 | craigevil | peasse_: whatever the version is in Ecth unless you use unstable repo in which case you will get 2.0.0.1 |
| 12:33.52 | valdyn | !info firefox sid |
| 12:33.52 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 7799 kB, Installed size: 23716 kB |
| 12:34.03 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.1+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 12:34.10 | archetype | bad call :) |
| 12:34.11 | avtobiff | well. lightweight... |
| 12:34.14 | beardy | Haha, the word "lightweight" is still there. |
| 12:34.18 | avtobiff | yes |
| 12:34.36 | beardy | And people talked about "legacy" things before.. |
| 12:34.47 | peasse_ | ok, 1.5 so... is v2 best than v1.5? |
| 12:34.53 | avtobiff | better yes |
| 12:34.54 | peasse_ | stupid queston maybe |
| 12:34.58 | craigevil | v2 seems to be faster |
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| 12:35.13 | valdyn | Nameeater: try apt-get dist-upgrade instead |
| 12:35.17 | peasse_ | and considering security? |
| 12:35.43 | valdyn | peasse_: 1.5 is probably better |
| 12:35.54 | peasse_ | k |
| 12:35.54 | valdyn | peasse_: but seriously there's not enough difference to care |
| 12:36.00 | peasse_ | kk ;) |
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| 12:36.13 | craigevil | why would 1.5 be better? other than the fact that 2.0 is only in Sid |
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| 12:37.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why is bug 390582 concidered a release-critical bug? |
| 12:38.27 | peasse_ | I still have the problem of deleting a package manualy installed... it's not listed in aptitude!!!! |
| 12:38.40 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: program doesnt work at all = release critical |
| 12:38.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: But a highly non-essential program |
| 12:39.01 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: so? |
| 12:39.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmmm...alright... |
| 12:39.14 | peasse_ | now how can i remove firefox? arghhhh |
| 12:39.17 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: there's no difference, solution is removal if it cant be fixed |
| 12:39.36 | craigevil | peasse_: its not really installed just delete the folder |
| 12:39.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | craigevil: 1.5 is far more stable than 2.0, I've suffered data loss and lots of bugs on 2.0 |
| 12:40.07 | craigevil | i had 2.0 since it came out no problems here |
| 12:40.15 | valdyn | craigevil: 1.5 has undergone some testing in etch, 2.0 alot less, that is all, both may work, 1.5 has better chances |
| 12:40.46 | Nameeater | valdyn: thanks for that :) |
| 12:40.52 | craigevil | granted if you want stable then 1.5 is best, at least til 2.0 makes it into testing |
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| 12:41.38 | valdyn | Nameeater: it worked? |
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| 12:44.57 | Nameeater | its downloading all the packages with no complaints, so it must be fingers crossed |
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| 12:47.36 | peasse_ | valdyn & craigevil : everything went well, thanks for all (again!) i have choose firefox as the default web browser |
| 12:47.38 | skejoe | Now I've got the nVidia driver installed but the text gets all blurry now :S |
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| 12:49.44 | skejoe | or its not all the screen, just the centre :S |
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| 12:50.26 | valdyn | skejoe: on an lcd display? |
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| 12:50.37 | skejoe | valdyn, yeah.. |
| 12:50.43 | valdyn | !drxx skejoe |
| 12:50.44 | dpkg | skejoe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:51.05 | valdyn | skejoe: are you using the native lcd resolution? |
| 12:52.03 | skejoe | valdyn, I changed it to 60Hz instead og 75Hz and that helped... thx :) |
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| 12:52.52 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone know howto make X find your video card? cause its not recognising thats its a Geforce FX 5900 |
| 12:53.06 | valdyn | skejoe: funny, your upper limit is probably something like 74 or 72, getting to high ( significantly ) would just make you get no picture at all |
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| 12:53.32 | skejoe | valdyn, mkay :D |
| 12:53.40 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: and your problem really is what? |
| 12:54.19 | K|NgGh0sT | Well, when X loads it goes to a blank screen, and by the looks of it, its a Xorg.conf issue |
| 12:54.42 | Malagmyr | wtf. apache2 just printed 20 lines of "[warn] child process XXXX still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM", XXXX being a few different 4-digit numbers, then it printed "[notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down" and committed suicide. any ideas on what's going on? it's been running for like two months with no trouble. |
| 12:54.43 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: paste the log |
| 12:54.49 | valdyn | !tell K|NgGh0sT -about paste |
| 12:55.34 | valdyn | Malagmyr: XXXX is the process ID, its crashing or getting stuck, can be alot of reasons |
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| 12:55.47 | K|NgGh0sT | The Xorg.0.log? |
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| 12:55.50 | K|NgGh0sT | It has no errors |
| 12:56.02 | valdyn | Malagmyr: its no big deal unless it happens often |
| 12:56.40 | Malagmyr | valdyn: it requires someone to be here to restart it, though, which can be a problem on sundays. |
| 12:56.54 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: if it has no errors at all, then everything is fine, except that your monitor cant display the data its getting OR the its connected to the wrong one of the 2 outputs of your gfx card |
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| 12:57.39 | peasse_ | I'm trying to install gwhere (cd catalog manager), but aptitude finds an error : xlibs >4.1.0 : dependances error |
| 12:57.42 | K|NgGh0sT | Well, it worked before, but a power failure caused a reboot of the system, and then X failed to load, then I reinstalled the nvidia drivers and then X loaded to a black screen |
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| 12:58.15 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: now plug your monitor to the other output of your gfx card and see what happens |
| 12:58.34 | K|NgGh0sT | Well, considering its not a monitor, its a tv, using the S Video out... |
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| 12:58.56 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: power failures can fuck up anything, you cant safely fix that with 100% certainty , except with a reinstall |
| 12:59.08 | peasse_ | where can i find xlibs > 4.1.0? |
| 12:59.13 | abrotman | peasse_: which version of debian ? |
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| 12:59.20 | peasse_ | testing |
| 12:59.25 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: .. or with restoring from backup naturally |
| 12:59.40 | valdyn | peasse_: you already have that installed if your X is running |
| 12:59.46 | abrotman | peasse_: you're trying to compile it ? |
| 13:00.06 | valdyn | !info xlibs testing |
| 13:00.18 | peasse_ | abrotman> : i'm just trying to install gwhere via aptitude |
| 13:00.22 | abrotman | valdyn: it's gone |
| 13:00.24 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, well I mean when X loads it shows the nvidia driver screen then blank, sometimes with a _ in the top left corner |
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| 13:00.39 | abrotman | peasse_: firstly .. there's no gwhere in etch .. secondly .. there's no xlibs in etch |
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| 13:01.02 | abrotman | !find gwhere etch |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | is that what you mean ? |
| 13:01.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gwhere' (1): (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/gwhere.desktop) in x11/app-install-data. |
| 13:01.20 | valdyn | abrotman: really... |
| 13:01.22 | fasta | Is there a way to stop Amarok from searching my DVD drive on startup or is there an Amarok clone that doesn't have this behaviour? |
| 13:01.25 | abrotman | valdyn: what? |
| 13:01.33 | valdyn | abrotman: really, its gone, i mean |
| 13:01.41 | abrotman | !+info xlibs etch |
| 13:01.42 | dpkg | Package 'xlibs' does not exist. |
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| 13:02.05 | abrotman | there is a gwhere packge in sid |
| 13:02.50 | peasse_ | abrotman> : i know, i had to put that in my source list deb http://www.gwhere.org/download/debian unstable main |
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| 13:03.09 | shafire | where can i check if my postfix is an open relay? |
| 13:03.20 | valdyn | peasse_: remove that, that package is outdated, useless |
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| 13:03.44 | asg | shafire: google open relay check |
| 13:03.45 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 13:03.45 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 13:03.50 | valdyn | peasse_: you can try ^^^ |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | holy shit .. outdated isn't even close |
| 13:04.18 | abrotman | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 13:04.32 | peasse_ | valdyn : you mean that i shouldn't use gwhere anymore? cause all my cd collection was previously listed in gwhere when i used suse |
| 13:04.46 | valdyn | peasse_: no, you shouldnt get gwhere from that repository |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | peasse_: he means to read what the bot said about simple sid backport |
| 13:04.55 | peasse_ | k |
| 13:04.59 | twinklebib | lol |
| 13:05.11 | valdyn | peasse_: read what dpkg said carefully, and do it carefully. |
| 13:05.15 | twinklebib | g+k = kg |
| 13:05.16 | peasse_ | kk |
| 13:05.41 | abrotman | or look for a similar app in etch .. of which i'm sure there are many |
| 13:06.01 | cornernote | i plugged in a usb pendrive... what do i have to do to see the files on it ? |
| 13:06.06 | cornernote | from the command prompt |
| 13:06.26 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 13:06.26 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 13:07.49 | cornernote | thanks |
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| 13:09.42 | peasse_ | abrotman : you mean that i should migrate from testing to unstable, just to get gwhere? |
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| 13:09.57 | abrotman | NO |
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| 13:10.17 | abrotman | !info cdcat etch |
| 13:10.19 | dpkg | cdcat: (media catalog program), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.01b-1 (etch), Packaged size: 414 kB, Installed size: 1344 kB |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | !info gtktalog etch |
| 13:10.29 | dpkg | gtktalog: (Disk catalog), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 2060 kB |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: not funny |
| 13:11.54 | Ny-Ty | really |
| 13:11.55 | Ny-Ty | :-)) |
| 13:11.55 | peasse_ | abrotman> thx i'll search for some information on gtkatalog |
| 13:12.06 | Ny-Ty | cat debian.iso > /dev/dsp |
| 13:12.06 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 13:12.23 | twinklebib | lol |
| 13:12.42 | Ny-Ty | it`s cool music |
| 13:12.47 | twinklebib | you will kill your ears o.o |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | http://www.nongnu.org/gtktalog |
| 13:13.02 | peasse_ | thx |
| 13:15.12 | peasse_ | abrotman> in the features of gtkatalog, i don't find a line on the possibility to catalog DVD's |
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| 13:15.40 | abrotman | maybe it doesn't do it yet ... |
| 13:15.50 | peasse_ | abrotman> ah... |
| 13:15.58 | peasse_ | abrotman> taht may be a problem |
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| 13:16.26 | abrotman | peasse_: then build gwhere from sid sources |
| 13:16.47 | peasse_ | k, i'll try this |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | or try cdcat |
| 13:16.59 | peasse_ | i hope i won't turn my debian crazy |
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| 13:17.07 | peasse_ | cdcat... |
| 13:17.12 | peasse_ | let's see |
| 13:17.37 | abrotman | cdcat seems to do only audio files |
| 13:17.46 | cornernote | my network card driver tells me: "please install the linux header development package".. can anyone tell me how to do this ? |
| 13:18.13 | abrotman | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:18.30 | cornernote | thanks abrotman |
| 13:19.00 | peasse_ | gwhere is cool, and powerfull, so i'll try the 'simple sid backport' |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 13:20.40 | fleischwurst | os[Linux 2.6.20-5-generic i686] distro[Debian 10.0] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz @ 2.13GHz] mem[Physical : 2027MB, 87.8% free] disk[Total : 367.57GB, 85.40% Free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 7900 GT] sound[] |
| 13:20.43 | fleischwurst | :] |
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| 13:21.01 | Ny-Ty | my years know only 0 and 1 |
| 13:21.01 | Ny-Ty | :) |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | fleischwurst: please don't do that .. noone cares |
| 13:21.31 | fleischwurst | i dont care, you dont care! |
| 13:21.45 | abrotman | sounds like a recipe for suicide .. |
| 13:22.03 | asg | abrotman: sounds like your average teen |
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| 13:22.33 | docelic | Hey folks, got an idea how to extract audio from a .swf file ? |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | !info vsound |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | not exactly extract |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 13:23.12 | docelic | right, that's it ! :) |
| 13:23.13 | abrotman | if it works anyways ... |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | docelic: will the song talk about KENYA?! |
| 13:23.50 | peasse_ | abrotman> i put deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free in my sources.list, and updating |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | that was wrong |
| 13:24.05 | abrotman | VERY wrong |
| 13:24.05 | peasse_ | ah |
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| 13:24.09 | peasse_ | ahah |
| 13:24.11 | abrotman | you sohuld have asked first |
| 13:24.19 | abrotman | or actually *read* what the bot said |
| 13:24.38 | peasse_ | Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list |
| 13:24.44 | peasse_ | that was wrong? |
| 13:24.51 | peasse_ | ah yes, src |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | did you add "deb" or "deb-src" ? |
| 13:24.58 | Ab3l | HI, does any linux distro support Sideshow Tecnology ? |
| 13:25.18 | peasse_ | you're very right |
| 13:26.27 | peasse_ | abrotman> no i have updated apt-get with sid, do i have to reinstall Debian? lol |
| 13:26.39 | peasse_ | abrotman> now i have updated apt-get with sid, do i have to reinstall Debian? lol |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | if you don't want to be running sid you do |
| 13:27.02 | craigevil | peasse_: what all did you update? |
| 13:27.03 | peasse_ | and what do you recommand? |
| 13:27.07 | cornernote | ok - now aparently the nic driver is installed into the kernel... is there a wizard to setup the network ? |
| 13:27.39 | asg | cornernote: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:28.18 | abrotman | peasse_: just try changing it back .. see what happens .. you didn't install anything yet |
| 13:28.36 | cornernote | asg: so no wizard :( |
| 13:28.52 | peasse_ | abrotman : changing it back...how? |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | take out the line |
| 13:29.10 | peasse_ | k |
| 13:29.50 | peasse_ | abrotman : and apt-get update ? |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 13:30.53 | peasse_ | well, update done |
| 13:31.07 | peasse_ | now i put the sid src line in sourceslist |
| 13:31.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:32.54 | peasse_ | abrotman : so here's the line i'll put : deb-src http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | better |
| 13:33.11 | peasse_ | lml |
| 13:33.57 | fleischwurst | CD: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] |
| 13:34.07 | fleischwurst | what to use for a core 2 duo? |
| 13:34.08 | fleischwurst | :s |
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| 13:34.37 | fleischwurst | i386? |
| 13:35.47 | h3sp4wn | fleischwurst: or amd64 |
| 13:36.09 | fleischwurst | what would be the better choice? :) |
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| 13:36.34 | abrotman | that's up to you .. there are things that don't work on amd64 |
| 13:37.38 | h3sp4wn | probably i386 if you want java plugin / flash - don't want to mess with a chroot for 32 bit apps |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | or wine |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | i think there's amd64 java now |
| 13:37.39 | h3sp4wn | no plugin though |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | at all ? |
| 13:37.39 | Gathond | there is, but it appears to be the 32 bit version only |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | there are like five open source java implementations |
| 13:37.40 | peasse_ | abrotman : apt-get build-dep gwhere |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | wtf are those slackers doing |
| 13:37.50 | peasse_ | abrotman : -> downloading |
| 13:37.57 | Gathond | at least the one I got was ia32 and it wont support 64 bit java JVM when I tried |
| 13:38.09 | fleischwurst | debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso is debian with xfce de? |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:38.17 | fleischwurst | k :) |
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| 13:38.21 | abrotman | the Desktop task will install xfce |
| 13:38.23 | fleischwurst | ill take that |
| 13:38.25 | lech | question, in aptitude searches, what does the "p" or "v" on the left end of packages stand for? |
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| 13:38.57 | fleischwurst | are those xfce + kde cds new? |
| 13:39.03 | fleischwurst | never saw that before |
| 13:39.05 | asg | yes |
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| 13:43.14 | craigevil | hopefully the kde iso has the bugs fixed |
| 13:43.24 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | those CDs are just CD1 with kde/xfce instead of GNOME .. |
| 13:44.17 | fulhack | I've a pureftp issue.. I'm pasting my question from #pureftp in here. Hey fellas, I've some issues w/ accessing my (local, and latest, running on linux) pureftp with firefox 2.0.0.1. I receive an error 500, "unknown command" upon connect. I can access the server from internet explorer and windows' ftp command, aswell as freeBSD's ftp command. Is this common? |
| 13:44.26 | craigevil | had to do apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all to get past a text prompt the kbd and mouse drivers weren't installing by default |
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| 13:45.26 | boguh | my sound is playing too fast, whats wrong?? for example mp3s with xmms and the startup sound |
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| 13:46.02 | abrotman | fulhack: do you have a non-gecko browser to try ? |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | besides IE :) |
| 13:46.43 | nvz | but gecko can save you 15% or more on car insurance |
| 13:46.50 | nvz | oh wait.. |
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| 13:47.19 | fulhack | Hm.. The FTP server has lynx installed, I could try that ;) I'm thinking firefox sends a bad FTP command. If so.. I would want to make the server a bit more 'tolerant'. I'l check w/ lyn though. |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | !hit nvz |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | fulhack: or make those lazy bastards actually fix firefox :) |
| 13:48.24 | fulhack | I wonder what's the quickest? ;) Is firefox(gecko?) known for bad FTP? |
| 13:48.33 | christopher_l | is a Debian install like windows, It is guided and works right away? |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | they might know the setting you need to change |
| 13:48.43 | abrotman | christopher_l: hopefully |
| 13:48.49 | nkuttler | boguh: try mpg321. do you have something like artsd/esd running? |
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| 13:49.18 | boguh | nkuttler alsa |
| 13:49.19 | h3sp4wn | christopher_l: etch probably at least as well as windows (with the odd bit of obscure hardware at least) |
| 13:49.20 | christopher_l | I installed Debian now and it only display a command line at bootup |
| 13:49.33 | asg | christopher_l: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:49.42 | peasse_ | wow, i'm compiling : apt-get -b source gwhere, and it's impressive! tons of text ! |
| 13:50.05 | christopher_l | asg: in command line? |
| 13:50.05 | S2AnGeL | christopher_l if that does not do it for you go use http://kanotix.com tell you are ready its based on sid.. |
| 13:50.07 | fulhack | abrotman, Smart. I'm asking in #firefox :) |
| 13:50.21 | asg | christopher_l: no, in IRC. Our bot will fill you in on the details |
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| 13:51.00 | S2AnGeL | christopher_l: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 13:51.17 | peasse_ | abrotman : in dpkg : 4) install the resulting debs : that means apt-get install gwhere, or do i have to find the deb of gwhere? |
| 13:51.21 | asg | S2AnGeL: if he installed sarge, that won't work |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | peasse_: ls |
| 13:51.38 | boguh | nkuttler killed all esd services but still too fast |
| 13:51.55 | peasse_ | k!! |
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| 13:52.06 | S2AnGeL | asg:I see sorry been a while since I did a fresh install been apt-get upgrading for years |
| 13:52.34 | christopher_l | I had Ubuntu before, I dont know if its still there after the installation, in bootup I can only choose Debian. Im know on a live cd. |
| 13:52.37 | peasse_ | now i install gwhere 0.1.6 with apt-get i asume |
| 13:52.49 | abrotman | christopher_l: aptitude install gdm gnome xorg |
| 13:53.03 | abrotman | peasse_: is it there ? |
| 13:53.12 | peasse_ | yes |
| 13:53.23 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 13:53.29 | christopher_l | How can I boot up my other system? |
| 13:53.55 | S2AnGeL | Ubuntu something about not having root normal bothers me.. why did they do that.. just sorta feels wrong.. maybe they will slowly do things back the debian way instead of making silly changes like that |
| 13:55.02 | fleischwurst | is cd 1 enough for a good gnome desktop? |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | noone in here cares about it .. go to #ubuntu if you want to talk about it |
| 13:55.07 | abrotman | fleischwurst: yes |
| 13:55.12 | fleischwurst | okay :) |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | fleischwurst: or use the netinst .. which is the smart way to go |
| 13:55.33 | fleischwurst | i want to see how the new installer looks like |
| 13:55.36 | fleischwurst | :) |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | that's fine .. it will be on the netinst too |
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| 13:56.57 | fleischwurst | hm |
| 13:57.09 | cornernote | i loaded an installer that loaded my nic driver into the kernel... i rebooted, but still ifconfig doesnt show it |
| 13:57.09 | fleischwurst | k |
| 13:57.17 | cornernote | i'm not sure where to look next |
| 13:57.22 | asg | christopher_l: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 13:57.55 | peasse_ | abrotman : is that correct ? : dpkg -i gwhere_0.2.3.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb |
| 13:58.31 | abrotman | try it :) |
| 13:58.41 | cornernote | asg: yes - ifconfig -a shows it |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | Malagmyr: gaim2 is in etch/sid |
| 13:59.08 | fleischwurst | how to start it, abrotman? |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | start what ? |
| 13:59.21 | S2AnGeL | abrotman: I did ubuntu aparently there a a few otheres who share my opinion in ther.e.. that was intresting |
| 13:59.54 | cornernote | so i need to read how to configure it... cant i just call the wizard that ran when i installed debian ? |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | S2AnGeL: i really don't care :) |
| 13:59.54 | fleischwurst | the graphical installer |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | S2AnGeL: i use debian :) |
| 13:59.54 | asg | cornernote: then configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces according to interfaces(5). If you are using dhcp, verify it works first by doing 'dhclient <interface>' |
| 13:59.54 | S2AnGeL | so do i |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | fleischwurst: hit F1 when it boots .. see what the options are |
| 13:59.54 | peasse_ | abrotman : it worked! |
| 14:00.03 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:00.04 | peasse_ | abrotman : i officialy run gwhere |
| 14:00.20 | idan | how can i make samba to work with the same linux users? |
| 14:00.20 | abrotman | or not so officially as the case may be .. |
| 14:00.24 | peasse_ | and it's cool, thx a lot abrotman |
| 14:00.36 | abrotman | peasse_: thank the other guy too :) |
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| 14:00.43 | abrotman | peasse_: enjoy .. |
| 14:00.56 | S2AnGeL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.05 | abrotman | am i the only one that wonders if jelly-home is overweight ? |
| 14:01.08 | peasse_ | yeah, team work |
| 14:01.14 | h3sp4wn | idan: smbpasswd is the command to do that |
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| 14:01.47 | abrotman | you can have samba use /etc/passwd right ? |
| 14:01.53 | craigevil | peasse_: just curious why did you have to compile gwhere, when there is a .deb package? |
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| 14:02.12 | asg | craigevil: not in etch apparently |
| 14:02.28 | craigevil | http://www.gwhere.org/download/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/gwhere_0.1.6-1_i386.deb |
| 14:03.12 | asg | yes, let's encourage downloading packages from unofficial sources |
| 14:03.27 | peasse_ | abrotman : can i delete all the gwhere files listed in /root ? |
| 14:03.29 | abrotman | craigevil: please don't do that .. we've already covered that the package you just pointed to is total shit |
| 14:03.30 | honschu | How to match the text between two " and print it out? |
| 14:03.33 | dvs | asg: sure, we already suppose other distros. ;-) |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | peasse_: if you like .. yes |
| 14:03.43 | sulan | dpkg-shlibdeps generates a shared library dependency without version requirement for my application that links that shared library. I'd like to avoid pulling in a too old version of that shared library. How can I make dh_shlibdeps add a version requirement of the shared library? |
| 14:03.48 | peasse_ | k |
| 14:03.58 | asg | dvs: :) |
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| 14:04.22 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Not that I know of it (used to ?) use its own password file or LDAP |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: the samba server at my office auths from the NT4 PDC .. so i figured it could use LDAP or /etc/passwd as well |
| 14:05.05 | panthera | sulan: the values are determined by the packages it depends on, |
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| 14:05.15 | panthera | sulan: this should not be changed. |
| 14:05.33 | sulan | panthera: the build-deps? |
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| 14:05.55 | panthera | sulan: including build-deps, yes. |
| 14:06.47 | sulan | panthera: the builddeps contain "libpri-dev (>= 1.4.0)" (which pulls in libpri1 1.4.0-x) |
| 14:07.09 | panthera | sulan: libpri-dev does have a shlibs file, in this shlibs file, there is something defined |
| 14:07.14 | sulan | panthera: but the Depends:-field only contains libpri1. And Debian's repository contains a libpri1 1.0.7 |
| 14:07.26 | panthera | sulan: e.g. 1.4.1-1. if you have now a package linking against it, |
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| 14:07.47 | panthera | sulan: the libpri1 >= 1.4.0-1 is pulled into ${shlibs:Depends} |
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| 14:07.59 | sulan | ok |
| 14:08.11 | panthera | everything clear, or even more confused? :) |
| 14:08.12 | sulan | so I should check the library packages shlibs-files then. |
| 14:08.19 | fleischwurst | cerridwen is female, guy |
| 14:08.19 | fleischwurst | s |
| 14:08.30 | panthera | sulan: yes, but /actually/ you should not need to do that. |
| 14:08.44 | sulan | panthera: I'm guilty creating both packages... |
| 14:08.47 | panthera | sulan: the maintainer of the other package has either decided to override it per hand, or let the shlibs file |
| 14:08.52 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:09.21 | panthera | sulan: be autocreated by debhelper. in both ways, you shouldn't (need to) change anything in the other packages. |
| 14:09.27 | HardDisk_WP | how do i output a file wget downloads to STDOUT instead of a file?? |
| 14:09.30 | cornernote | asg: dhclient eth0 doesnt work |
| 14:10.12 | cornernote | when i installed etch it worked... but sarge+nic driver doesnt want to do it |
| 14:10.43 | peasse_ | brb |
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| 14:12.20 | sulan | panthera: the shared library's shlibsfile only contains "libpri 1.0 libpri1" - shouldn't dh_makeshlibs add a version requirement? |
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| 14:12.50 | sulan | ah, maybe I need to add -V |
| 14:13.27 | cornernote | if i can see eth0 in "ifconfig -a" then that means the drivers there and everythings right, doesnt it ? |
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| 14:13.40 | panthera | sulan: yep |
| 14:14.21 | panthera | sulan: but normally, it would be something like 'libfoo 0 libfoo0 (>= 0.1)' |
| 14:15.19 | sulan | panthera: but that requires the -V flag to dh_makeshlibs, right? |
| 14:15.49 | HardDisk_WP | <-- food |
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| 14:18.35 | blondie | HardDisk_WP: do you taste nice? |
| 14:18.47 | dvs | heh |
| 14:18.53 | HardDisk_WP | lol blondie |
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| 14:23.03 | shafire | help |
| 14:23.13 | shafire | i have installed new linux image kernel |
| 14:23.23 | shafire | but i need the source for wlan0 |
| 14:23.28 | shafire | or i have no internet |
| 14:23.51 | shafire | how can i prepare the new kernel with module-assistant |
| 14:23.57 | shafire | when i am logged in in the old one? |
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| 14:25.14 | dvs | !tell shafile -about m-a |
| 14:25.25 | shafire | m-a? |
| 14:25.31 | shafire | !tell shafire -about m-a |
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| 14:26.44 | abrotman | !tell shafire about misfire |
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| 14:26.57 | idan | !tell me about misfire |
| 14:26.58 | abrotman | !tell shafire about selftell |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | doh |
| 14:27.00 | idan | !tell idan about misfire |
| 14:27.03 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | !tell idan about selftell |
| 14:27.12 | idan | nothing |
| 14:27.14 | idan | he dose not know |
| 14:27.21 | idan | oh k cool |
| 14:27.32 | abrotman | i know .. i was looking at shafire and thinking misfire :) |
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| 14:27.53 | shafire | ;D |
| 14:27.56 | idan | heh :) |
| 14:28.21 | idan | oh. did you saw foof ? |
| 14:28.32 | shafire | new kernel? |
| 14:28.35 | shafire | linux-headers-2.6.18.??? |
| 14:29.25 | shafire | linux-headers-2.6.18-3 or linux-headers-2.6.18-4 |
| 14:29.25 | shafire | ? |
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| 14:29.34 | dvs | shafire: uname -r |
| 14:29.41 | shafire | i can't |
| 14:29.54 | dvs | why not? |
| 14:29.58 | snowbird | how can i set k torent as defalt |
| 14:29.59 | Terry_L | good morning |
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| 14:32.52 | abrotman | Shadur: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:33.08 | dvs | shafire! |
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| 14:33.34 | mikearthur | I think I may have lost the contents of my maildir, how would I check? |
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| 14:34.25 | abrotman | ls ? |
| 14:35.58 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to compile kino but I keep getting this error: |
| 14:36.07 | solemnwarning | checking libavcodec version (build >4644)... configure: error: FFMPEG is the new, preferred DV codec. If you must only support libdv, then you must explicitly specify it using --with-libdv-only. |
| 14:36.11 | dvs | !wayttc solemnwarning |
| 14:36.17 | solemnwarning | What package do I need? |
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| 14:36.47 | _joey | does anyone know how to read a file with .lit extension? |
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| 14:38.08 | craigevil | solemnwarning: why are you trying to compile kino? why not just do aptitude install kino? |
| 14:38.28 | solemnwarning | Because it needs libquicktime, which won't install but I already have it |
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| 14:39.29 | craigevil | _joey: you could try clit: Convert Microsoft's .lit ebook format back into the raw HTML it was created from. |
| 14:40.03 | cornernote | my ehternet card has no lights or anything... not really sure what to do here |
| 14:40.10 | cornernote | it shows up in ifconfig -a |
| 14:40.15 | solemnwarning | So what package do I need for that dep? |
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| 14:40.30 | cornernote | but i dont know if the driver is built into the kernel correctly or what the issue is |
| 14:40.34 | solemnwarning | I've install ffmpeg, libavcodec and libavcodec dev files |
| 14:40.49 | craigevil | libquicktime doesn't show as a dependecy of kino at least not in Sid |
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| 14:40.58 | solemnwarning | I'm on stable |
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| 14:41.41 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about marillat |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about simple sid backport |
| 14:42.01 | SzArAk | hi |
| 14:42.07 | solemnwarning | sid backports are a nightmare |
| 14:42.19 | abrotman | you're compiling from SOURCE! |
| 14:42.23 | rogier | Hi there, on a debian etch system, I seem to have troubles with permissions on many /dev files, such as lp0, *random, etc. What script/program is setting those permissions ? Udev ? |
| 14:42.24 | solemnwarning | And...? |
| 14:42.31 | abrotman | idiot |
| 14:42.33 | solemnwarning | OMG T3H EVIL SOURCE11111 |
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| 14:43.55 | solemnwarning | What packages do I need for that dependency? |
| 14:44.02 | g00se | How would this line get into /etc/inittab if i didn't put it there? |
| 14:44.04 | g00se | 70:8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot b/chroots/sid-root/sbin/getty 38400 tty8 |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | that package isn't in debian |
| 14:44.41 | solemnwarning | kino is in debian, but it needs libquicktime which is broken |
| 14:45.20 | solemnwarning | I've already got the libquicktime files from some other package, so it won't install |
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| 14:46.22 | abrotman | what's wrong with the debian package again ? |
| 14:46.25 | SzArAk | can you help me with rssh? i have set it up and running, but i would like it also to log users actions, like upload and download |
| 14:46.31 | solemnwarning | It won't install! |
| 14:46.39 | abrotman | in sarge ? |
| 14:46.56 | solemnwarning | Yes... |
| 14:47.00 | SzArAk | but in syslog (i have chosen user.log) i have only things like changing umask and stuff |
| 14:47.04 | abrotman | then you've broken your machine |
| 14:47.14 | abrotman | not that i'm surprised.... |
| 14:47.25 | solemnwarning | Why don't I have you on ignore anyway? |
| 14:47.39 | solemnwarning | http://rafb.net/p/hpV0Mx28.html |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | because i'm the only one willing to help you :) |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about overwrite |
| 14:47.58 | abrotman | see :) |
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| 14:49.05 | asg | abrotman: well, they threw in an extra sausage for no apparent reason. |
| 14:49.17 | dvs | o_O |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | you bastards! |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | solemnwarning: now why don't you have me on ignore? :) |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | asg: it's like crack .. just enough to get you hoooked :) |
| 14:49.58 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I need to teach a course on 'how not to be an utter tard at the drive-thru' |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | heheh |
| 14:50.24 | dvs | asg: It's kinda hard NOT to sometimes. |
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| 14:50.35 | shafire | mhm |
| 14:50.57 | asg | dvs: some people shouldn't be allowed out of the house |
| 14:51.08 | dvs | asg: agreed |
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| 14:51.23 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 14:52.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: let's close some etch rc bugs? |
| 14:52.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think i'm going hiking :) |
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| 14:52.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: but only for a few hours .. |
| 14:52.19 | dvs | take a hike! |
| 14:52.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i was yesterday, check this: |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: are there any good ones left ? |
| 14:52.48 | dvs | abrotman: hiking in philly? |
| 14:52.49 | Nazcafan | my locale enc is iso-8858, however, thundrbird saves the file names in utf8 |
| 14:52.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://80.219.76.58/paradise.jpg |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | dvs: we have parks! |
| 14:53.01 | Nazcafan | *8859-15 |
| 14:53.09 | dvs | abrotman: oh? are they safe? ;-) |
| 14:53.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: a way like that, for about one hour, going up and down, over and near the water |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | dvs: http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/stateparks/parks/frenchcreek.aspx |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: nice ... |
| 14:54.00 | abrotman | dvs: that's about 20 minutes from my place .. |
| 14:54.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you do iceskating? |
| 14:54.19 | dvs | abrotman: cool! |
| 14:54.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: if i tried i probably could .. haven't done it since i was a kid |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | dvs: i was reading last night about a 7 day trip down the river that goes near my place too :) |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | dvs: in a kayak i mean |
| 14:55.23 | asg | abrotman: is that a CSI body dredging course? |
| 14:55.32 | abrotman | asg: NO! |
| 14:55.45 | dvs | heh |
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| 14:56.42 | asg | abrotman: and on the left, you'll see the burned out squat so typical of this region |
| 14:56.43 | cornernote | does anyone know, if eth0 appears in ifconfig -a then the driver must be working right ? |
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| 14:57.12 | abrotman | asg: the river is actually pretty nice .. most of the bodies are near downtown philly :) |
| 14:57.27 | krazykit | cornernote: at least somewhat, yes. |
| 14:57.28 | asg | cornernote: that indicates the kernel loaded some network device. Do you use DHCP? |
| 14:57.28 | abrotman | dvs: asg http://www.schuylkillriver.org/sojourn.aspx |
| 14:57.29 | pumpkin0 | cornernote: check mii-tools. |
| 14:57.32 | rogier | I suppose, that /etc/udev/permissions.rules is supposed to set permissions on device files ? It doesn't seem to work even though udevd is running. Could it be that something is overriding it ? Does anybody have an idea what that could be ? |
| 14:58.11 | asg | abrotman: do they pour boiling oil over the group in the picture to the right? |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | asg: no! |
| 14:58.46 | asg | abrotman: where's the fun in that then? |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | dvs: i think it would be kind of fun .. and you don't have to do the whole thing |
| 14:58.54 | abrotman | asg: floaters! |
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| 14:59.17 | asg | abrotman: do they have kayaks with beer fridges? |
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| 14:59.34 | abrotman | asg: you just tow the beer in the river .. keeps it cool enough |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | i can't believe i know that ... |
| 14:59.49 | asg | abrotman: 110 km, I'd have to tow a lot of beer |
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| 15:00.17 | abrotman | asg: there are towns along the way .. you can get new stock |
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| 15:00.26 | asg | abrotman: ah, s'okay then |
| 15:00.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:01.54 | bkw | I've by misstake overwritten a index.html file that comes with the lighttpd debian package. How can I restore it without reinstalling the package? |
| 15:02.03 | SerajewelKS | is there some way i can run gaim in two locations without them stepping on each other? |
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| 15:02.10 | asg | bkw: download the package, unpack it, copy the file back |
| 15:02.16 | SerajewelKS | using the same accounts that is |
| 15:02.27 | dvs | abrotman: yeah, how come they said "110km" instead of "70 miles"? That's weird. |
| 15:02.30 | bkw | asg: yea, I thought of that. thanks. |
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| 15:02.40 | abrotman | dvs: it's those water freaks :) |
| 15:02.48 | dvs | oh, it does say 110miles |
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| 15:02.52 | abrotman | dvs: it says miles :) |
| 15:03.00 | pumpkin0 | SerajewelKS: only with some X-forward-magic or vnc .... |
| 15:03.09 | craigevil | SerajewelKS: yahoo and MSN will log you out of one of the instances if you try to run more than 1 normally |
| 15:03.12 | abrotman | dvs: just asg said km .. but notice he mentioned beer in the same sentence :) |
| 15:03.23 | dvs | abrotman: Ok. I get you. |
| 15:03.25 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:04.38 | tbd | you guys know a good file manager for debian that doenst consume a lot of disk space? |
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| 15:04.51 | SerajewelKS | ls |
| 15:04.57 | tbd | graphical please |
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| 15:05.01 | asg | tbd: other than a term and standard tools, look at mc |
| 15:05.09 | cornernote | i installed debian from a cd (not netinst)... and uname -r is 2.4.27-2 |
| 15:05.21 | tbd | a term? |
| 15:05.26 | cornernote | but when i install the kernel-headers, the only version on the CD is 2.4.27-3 |
| 15:05.26 | pumpkin0 | cornernote: yes, that is sarge/stable. |
| 15:05.33 | asg | cornernote: you could have used the linux26 variant to get the 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 15:05.40 | HardDisk_WP | how do i output a file wget downloads to STDOUT instead of a file?? |
| 15:05.41 | asg | tbd: xterm, rxvt, etc. |
| 15:05.45 | Revellion | this is haunting me |
| 15:05.51 | Revellion | apt-get'ing from my local apt-cacher |
| 15:05.54 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: -O |
| 15:05.58 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 15:06.06 | cornernote | i just wantr a network card :( |
| 15:06.13 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: man wget |
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| 15:06.36 | cornernote | how hard does it want to be to setup plain, basic networking when your card is deemed unsupported |
| 15:06.41 | craigevil | tbd you could try rox-filer, Installed-Size: 3629 |
| 15:06.49 | bkw | asg: I got the file back! :) found it in /usr/share/lighttpd/index.html |
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| 15:07.36 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, -O needs an option |
| 15:07.48 | rogier | SerajewelKS, if you log into msn or you via a jabber server, you can be logged in from two locations simultaneously. Works for me through 12jabber.com and gajim as a client. |
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| 15:08.04 | pumpkin0 | cornernote: OK, start by putting the output of "lspci -v" into a pastebin. |
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| 15:08.24 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: -O - |
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| 15:08.48 | SerajewelKS | rogier: nod, i use jabber too, kinda putting off the proxies |
| 15:09.06 | hagbard | Is there documentation on possible flags for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS and/or is there a way for me to specify a parallel build (make -j)? |
| 15:09.15 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, ok...but how do i filter the messages "waiting for response" etc? |
| 15:09.42 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: at the end: 2>/dev/null |
| 15:09.47 | humpinH | hi all, twinview has my monitors switched right <> left, xorg.conf at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1563/, what can i do? |
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| 15:10.08 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, aah. thx |
| 15:10.17 | SerajewelKS | humpinH: Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf" # or "LeftOf" |
| 15:10.25 | hagbard | humpinH: use Option "TwinviewOrientation" "LeftOf" or "RightOf" in the Screen section |
| 15:10.32 | humpinH | thanks |
| 15:10.35 | asg | bkw: excellent |
| 15:10.40 | tbd | xterm is a console isn't i? |
| 15:10.53 | asg | tbd: not exactly |
| 15:11.02 | hagbard | tbd: mostly; it's a terminal. |
| 15:11.02 | tbd | imean shell |
| 15:11.15 | asg | tbd: a shell can run in one, yes |
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| 15:11.41 | tbd | but i asked for a file manager that's graphical, i dont quite understand what you were tyring to tell me |
| 15:12.00 | asg | tbd: then use gentoo, it's pretty lightweight |
| 15:12.36 | cornernote | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/316362 |
| 15:13.04 | tbd | i'm using blackbox, all i need is something to browse through my files |
| 15:13.11 | tbd | not a complete desktop |
| 15:13.20 | asg | tbd: then try gentoo |
| 15:13.34 | asg | cornernote: it's possible that the firewire device was assigned to eth0 |
| 15:13.39 | cornernote | pumpkin0: so the ethernet says "Unknown device 4362" .. so that means the driver didnt work |
| 15:13.40 | asg | cornernote: what does dmesg | grep eth0 return |
| 15:13.42 | cornernote | ahh - ok |
| 15:14.27 | hagbard | asg: ethtool -i might be a useful suggestion, if ethtool is installed |
| 15:14.49 | cornernote | asg: it shows its the marvell ethernet controller |
| 15:15.11 | Revellion | tbd: try Thunar |
| 15:15.13 | cornernote | so now i'm really confused |
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| 15:15.25 | asg | cornernote: you might try 'ifconfig eth0 promisc ; dhclient eth0' |
| 15:15.44 | hagbard | cornernote: lspci uses a different database than the kernel; it's not the end of the world if lspci does not correctly identify your controller. |
| 15:15.45 | Revellion | tbd: and Gentoo is not just the name of a distro, there's Gentoo the filemanager too. And Thunar is from XFCE4 and is fairly lightweight |
| 15:16.10 | Revellion | cornernote: try update-pciids |
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| 15:18.33 | tbd | revellion: i just figured that out, the other guy could have simply told me that, man alive |
| 15:18.44 | tbd | was thinking of the distribution all the time |
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| 15:19.44 | Revellion | tbd: ah ok, but i can really recommend Thunar. it works great for me, and is fairly full-featured at a small fingerprint |
| 15:19.46 | hagbard | cornernote: whats the output of uname -a? |
| 15:20.31 | tbd | i'll have a look at it th |
| 15:20.32 | tbd | thx |
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| 15:21.10 | hagbard | For anyone who was wondering the answer to my earlier question, about specifying parallel builds for debian builds, it appears that the environment variable SETNJOBS does the trick. at least for libc. |
| 15:21.24 | tom | how can i redirect the microphone input to the speaker (/dev/dsp?) ? |
| 15:22.06 | asg | hagbard: he's running 2.4.27 |
| 15:22.24 | hagbard | asg: does that have the skge driver? I think it may be too old. |
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| 15:23.47 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, any possibility to pipe 1 to grep even if i already piped 2 to dev/null? |
| 15:23.53 | Stephaknee | how do i change my window manager? I forgot.. :( |
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| 15:24.20 | asg | hagbard: don't see it in sarge 2.4.27 or 2.6.8. |
| 15:24.42 | HardDisk_WP | wget "URL" --load-cookies cookie --save-cookies cookie --keep-session-cookies -O - 2>/dev/null 1>|grep XXX >out.txt |
| 15:24.46 | hagbard | asg: It's definitely in sid. |
| 15:24.52 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, that possible what i just wrote? |
| 15:25.06 | cornernote | asg: sorry it took so long.. its in another room |
| 15:25.10 | asg | hagbard: indeed, he's running sarge though. He might have to get a backported kernel. |
| 15:25.25 | cornernote | promisc didnt help.. |
| 15:25.42 | hid3 | Hello everyone. When I boot my system, I see strange messages in dmesg: PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:09.0 at offset b (was 164514e4, writing 7c0e11). According to lspci, 0000:00:09.0 is my tg3 network device. After about 5-6 hours my system crashes with a kernel panic, claiming something about tg3 device. What's wrong? |
| 15:25.47 | Stephaknee | anyone? |
| 15:25.48 | cornernote | hagbard: i cant paste the whole lot - but its linux 2.4.27-2 |
| 15:26.42 | asg | cornernote: you *might* try the sk98lin module |
| 15:26.55 | asg | cornernote: that supports some Marvell gigabit nics |
| 15:27.10 | asg | cornernote: otherwise, you are going to have to get a later 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:27.15 | cornernote | i installed the driver from skd.de |
| 15:27.30 | cornernote | is that what you mean ? |
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| 15:28.21 | cornernote | asg: is there a tutorial to upgrade the kernel ? |
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| 15:29.14 | capiira | hi |
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| 15:30.07 | capiira | anyone know a site that explains how to create deb packages of tarballs? |
| 15:31.25 | abrotman | !mg |
| 15:31.25 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 15:31.43 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 15:31.46 | wwallace | in a dual boot configuration how do i make windows the default os? |
| 15:31.58 | capiira | was that for me abrotman ? |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | capiira: yes |
| 15:32.08 | wwallace | abrotman, hi |
| 15:32.09 | capiira | thanks :) |
| 15:32.25 | js_ | war: was it you i talked to about md raid problems the other day? |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | wwallace: might help if you tell us which bootloader |
| 15:32.31 | wwallace | grub |
| 15:32.45 | wwallace | i know i have to edir /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:32.53 | wwallace | but what do i move and where? |
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| 15:33.35 | wwallace | abrotman, ? |
| 15:34.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: those are some pretty well kept paths |
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| 15:34.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: there was a storm some years ago, when the paths were natural |
| 15:34.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's when they put the little stones on those paths |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:36.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's in zurich, near witikon |
| 15:36.11 | asg | cornernote: /msg dpkg stable 2.6.18 |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:36.29 | asg | they both work |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | oh .. woh did that! |
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| 15:37.05 | asg | cornernote: you'll need to find a way, however, to get the necessary bits on the machine. Do you have another nic you could use temporarily? |
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| 15:37.14 | lancelot | hi guys |
| 15:37.22 | avtobiff | hi |
| 15:37.22 | jmso | hello |
| 15:37.30 | lancelot | i'm in truble with kernel compiling |
| 15:37.40 | avtobiff | kernel compile? |
| 15:37.47 | lancelot | yes |
| 15:37.52 | avtobiff | !dpkg kernel compile |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | !kp |
| 15:37.57 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:37.58 | avtobiff | wat? |
| 15:38.01 | abrotman | lancelot: what doesn't work ? |
| 15:38.03 | lancelot | i report the process bug error |
| 15:38.03 | avtobiff | thanks abrotman |
| 15:38.10 | shafire | !dpkg -i kernel compile |
| 15:38.10 | shafire | :D |
| 15:38.23 | avtobiff | hehe |
| 15:38.43 | lancelot | cc1: error: scripts/mod/file2alias.c: Input/output error |
| 15:38.43 | lancelot | scripts/mod/file2alias.c:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 15:38.55 | lancelot | i don't know what i've to do |
| 15:39.05 | lancelot | i tried to update gcc |
| 15:39.11 | asg | lancelot: erm, why? |
| 15:39.14 | lancelot | but the problem still remains |
| 15:39.32 | lancelot | asg...i thought it was a compiler problem |
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| 15:39.51 | lancelot | but it's clear it's not |
| 15:40.01 | abrotman | likely a hardware issue |
| 15:40.03 | asg | lancelot: doess /var/log/kern.log have entries like Disk Seek error and so on? |
| 15:40.16 | lancelot | asg..please wait i check... |
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| 15:40.58 | Jeriko- | hi |
| 15:41.09 | jmso | I have a problem with my fresh installation of ubuntu : I have the following error : "video frequence too hight". I try to modify the xorg.conf with the recommanded setting for it, but without succes. What else can I do ? |
| 15:41.16 | asg | jmso: #ubuntu please |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | jmso: you'd ask #ubuntu about that |
| 15:41.38 | jmso | OK, thanks ! |
| 15:41.40 | lancelot | asg |
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| 15:41.48 | asg | lancelot: hmm? |
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| 15:42.08 | lancelot | after agpgart starting kern.log has this error messages: |
| 15:42.10 | Jeriko- | not completely related to debian: Is there a way to mimic the windows behavior of the middle mouse button in firefox when clicking on a tab? In windows, it closes the tab, in linux it opens the first page visited |
| 15:42.13 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:14 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:42.13 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:14 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=44230187, sector=44230152 |
| 15:42.13 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:14 Soviet kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 15:42.13 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:14 Soviet kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 44230152 |
| 15:42.13 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:18 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 15:42.21 | abrotman | !win asg |
| 15:42.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | !lose lancelot |
| 15:42.26 | dpkg | lancelot: You Lose. |
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| 15:42.31 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=44230187, sector=44230168 |
| 15:42.34 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 15:42.36 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 44230168 |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | lancelot: STOP |
| 15:42.38 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:42.39 | asg | lancelot: stop |
| 15:42.42 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=44230187, sector=44230176 |
| 15:42.45 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 15:42.47 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 44230176 |
| 15:42.49 | obstfliege | hi |
| 15:42.49 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:42.51 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=44230187, sector=44230184 |
| 15:42.54 | asg | lancelot: STOP IT NOW |
| 15:42.54 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 15:42.56 | lancelot | Jan 14 14:58:32 Soviet kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 44230184 |
| 15:42.58 | lancelot | i'm sorry |
| 15:43.00 | lancelot | i apologize |
| 15:43.01 | idan | and///he's off |
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| 15:43.06 | abrotman | lancelot: get a new hardddrive |
| 15:43.06 | lancelot | ok asg |
| 15:43.24 | asg | lancelot: your drive is dying or your ide subsystem is failing. Check your cables are connected. If this still persists, backup your data and get a new drive. |
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| 15:43.56 | abrotman | that's a lot of sectors |
| 15:44.08 | lancelot | asg i'm on laptop |
| 15:44.13 | lancelot | ibm thinkpad t42 |
| 15:44.20 | abrotman | get a new HDD |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | how old is it ? |
| 15:44.45 | lancelot | i don't know abrotman |
| 15:44.52 | ttick | I want to move my root partition to another drive that is bigger and uses reiserFS instead of ext3. Anyone have any tool suggestions? I don't think cp or dd is really going to cut it. |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | you don't know how old your laptop is ? |
| 15:45.03 | abrotman | ttick: tar? |
| 15:45.04 | lancelot | my laptop is 2 years old |
| 15:45.11 | asg | ttick: dump / restore |
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| 15:45.47 | ttick | abrotman: won't tar grab my /dev/ and /proc and make a mess? |
| 15:45.49 | lancelot | could you explain me what's the problem? |
| 15:46.02 | Aquarina | hi |
| 15:46.02 | abrotman | lancelot: your harddrive is dying .. or your laptop's IDE system is |
| 15:46.11 | Aquarina | i'm having problems with cups and debian - it just stoped printing |
| 15:46.15 | abrotman | (since there likely isn't a cable) |
| 15:46.18 | asg | lancelot: the drive has bad sectors and likely has run out of free good sectors to map the bad ones to. |
| 15:46.21 | Aquarina | i can't see anything abnormal on the logs |
| 15:46.56 | Malagmyr | lancelot: same thing happened to me half a year ago. i told my laptop to shut down, then put it in my bag. when i opened it, i found out there was an error message on the screen and it hadn't been off at all. the drive died a week after. thank god i had a backup :) |
| 15:47.09 | lancelot | and is it a problem solvable through an overall HD formatting? |
| 15:47.13 | asg | Aquarina: iirc, cups can be told to log verbosely. Check the conf file and turn it on to see if better logging reveals the problem. |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | lancelot: no |
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| 15:47.40 | Aquarina | asg: i have set it to debug, i think |
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| 15:47.53 | Malagmyr | also, my computer bag was unbelievably hot |
| 15:47.58 | Paragawadhiya | i have a problem in starting x window in debian |
| 15:48.02 | Paragawadhiya | can anyone help |
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| 15:48.10 | Aquarina | asg: but i was unable to see any problems in the log |
| 15:48.15 | Malagmyr | Paragawadhiya: what is your exact problem? |
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| 15:48.30 | Malagmyr | Paragawadhiya: any error messages or other clues to help us help you? |
| 15:48.54 | capiira | i decided today and will stay with debian testing :) |
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| 15:49.28 | capiira | i hope that everything will works well like yet in the future |
| 15:50.16 | Malagmyr | capiira: you're not making sense. |
| 15:50.16 | ryoshu | opara in debian? |
| 15:50.29 | Malagmyr | ryoshu: you neither. |
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| 15:50.35 | capiira | why not? |
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| 15:50.47 | asg | Malagmyr: it's Sunday in #debian, this is to be expected |
| 15:51.01 | Malagmyr | asg: heh |
| 15:51.04 | lancelot | please tell me what i've to do...it's not so easy to find a new HD for a IBM thinkpad t42 |
| 15:51.25 | Kuko | has anyone here sucessfuly installed e17 from cvs? |
| 15:51.27 | Malagmyr | lancelot: those machines don't use special hard drives. any 2,5" drive will do. |
| 15:51.32 | asg | lancelot: you can try reformatting but that probably won't help at all. You are just going to have to get a new drive. |
| 15:51.36 | abrotman | Kuko: ask #e |
| 15:51.46 | abrotman | lancelot: IBM will sell you a new one |
| 15:51.47 | Kuko | I did no one in there seems to have done it on debian |
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| 15:51.57 | lancelot | abrotman are you sure? |
| 15:52.01 | lancelot | in which way? |
| 15:52.16 | abrotman | lancelot: i'll show you .. is the laptop off ? |
| 15:52.19 | asg | ryoshu: /msg dpkg opera |
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| 15:52.27 | capiira | why its not making sense? |
| 15:52.27 | ruben | Hi, can I use grsecurity patch + exec-shield patch? are incompatible? |
| 15:52.29 | lancelot | thank you abrotman |
| 15:52.30 | tbd | anybody know shoutcast tv, the one from winamp? |
| 15:52.32 | lancelot | no it's on |
| 15:52.36 | lancelot | i'm using it! |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | lancelot: do you know the model number? |
| 15:52.38 | lancelot | :-9 |
| 15:52.43 | lancelot | yeah |
| 15:52.45 | lancelot | t42 |
| 15:52.47 | abrotman | no .. |
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| 15:52.51 | abrotman | like 2345-42U |
| 15:52.53 | asg | lancelot: he meant of the drive |
| 15:52.54 | abrotman | it's on the bottom |
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| 15:52.59 | abrotman | of the laptop |
| 15:53.03 | ryoshu | asg, danke |
| 15:53.06 | lancelot | i've the model number on the rear |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | okay .. that's fine |
| 15:53.19 | lancelot | please wait...i'll read it |
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| 15:53.26 | Aquarina | asg: could you please see if you can find anything usefull in here? -> http://pastebin.com/859047 |
| 15:53.37 | tbd | Is there a way to view the VP6 codec in debian/linux |
| 15:53.56 | abrotman | wtf is VP6 ? |
| 15:54.01 | lancelot | abrotman 2373 |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | i need the whole thing .. |
| 15:54.19 | abrotman | it will be 4-3 .. like mine is 2384-33U |
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| 15:54.37 | lancelot | abrotman, i'v a lenovo product key |
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| 15:54.48 | Malagmyr | I can't seem to find a repository that has gaim 2 backported to sarge. anyone? |
| 15:54.51 | abrotman | it's lenovo ? |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | Malagmyr: backports.org |
| 15:55.02 | asg | Aquarina: can you use a different pastebin, the .com isn't coming up here |
| 15:55.11 | abrotman | lancelot: that'll be fine |
| 15:55.12 | Kuko | pastebin.ca |
| 15:55.17 | tbd | abrotman: you know bout nsv? |
| 15:55.17 | lancelot | ok |
| 15:55.20 | lancelot | the model is |
| 15:55.25 | Aquarina | asg: ok, i'll look for one |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | tbd: nope |
| 15:55.26 | lancelot | 2373-4wg |
| 15:55.36 | asg | Aquarina: pastebin.ca is often quite zippy |
| 15:55.40 | lancelot | and the product key is |
| 15:55.40 | tbd | abrotman well it's a codec just like avi or mpeg |
| 15:56.02 | Malagmyr | abrotman: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/ <-- only gaim 1.5 there |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | it's 2.0 CVS build |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | Malagmyr: what is the whole version ? |
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| 15:56.37 | lancelot | J2QFT-CG4DX-R66H8-G842Q-K6V6Q |
| 15:56.48 | asg | that looks like a Windows Serial Key |
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| 15:56.56 | lancelot | abrotma, did you read my informations? |
| 15:56.57 | hark | heh |
| 15:57.02 | Malagmyr | free windows! |
| 15:57.06 | lancelot | no asg, it's a lenovo product key |
| 15:57.27 | abrotman | lancelot: how big is the HDD ? |
| 15:57.34 | asg | so, that's how the Chinese do their warzing these days. |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | lancelot: that's your windows key |
| 15:57.51 | hark | lancelot: the one before was the key. |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | lancelot: how big is your HDD ? |
| 15:58.01 | craigevil | tbd this vp6: VP6.2 codec is a proprietary compression technology from On2 Technologies ? |
| 15:58.07 | lancelot | abrotman, the right model name is 2373-4WG with a 40 GB HD drive |
| 15:58.12 | asg | tictac: /lastlog |
| 15:58.23 | lancelot | thanks hark |
| 15:58.27 | abrotman | lancelot: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-46474 |
| 15:58.43 | Ronin | tictac: ya i was curious about that myself |
| 15:58.47 | lancelot | and qhat i've to do there? |
| 15:58.48 | abrotman | lancelot: that's a parts listing .. scroll down to the 40GB section .. pick yours .. get the part number.. ask lenovo how much for a new one |
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| 15:59.54 | tbd | could somebody try to play the desync.com stream on this page please: www.hiveproductions.com/shoutcast/ |
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| 16:00.29 | tictac_ | asg: ive read it, but a product key isnt something that should be posted in the channel. |
| 16:00.37 | abrotman | lancelot: probably most important is to backup your data first .. |
| 16:00.49 | asg | tictac_: he made a mistake posting his laptop serial key |
| 16:01.11 | abrotman | tictac_: he thought that was his laptop product number |
| 16:01.24 | tictac_ | ahh. :P |
| 16:01.27 | lancelot | abrotman could you suggest me a backup method other than that of copy/paste? |
| 16:01.40 | DavidProck1981 | tbd it plays for me!!! |
| 16:01.58 | abrotman | lancelot: you need to have a place to put it first |
| 16:02.03 | abrotman | !tell tbd about w32codecs |
| 16:02.28 | lancelot | right |
| 16:02.59 | lech | hmmmm, any clues as to why I can log into ssh over the LAN but nobody can reaach it over through the WAN even with port-forwarding enabled? |
| 16:03.11 | craigevil | tbd plays for me as well, now watching Sg-1 |
| 16:03.15 | tbd | abrotman it should be working in vlc, right? |
| 16:03.17 | tictac_ | lech: are you sure the port forwarding is setup correctly? |
| 16:03.28 | tbd | craigevil what player? |
| 16:03.31 | tictac_ | lech: your isp blocking inbound ssh? |
| 16:03.32 | lech | tictac_, it should be up and running perfectly |
| 16:03.35 | craigevil | kplayer |
| 16:03.37 | abrotman | tbd: eh .. dunno if vlc uses those |
| 16:03.54 | tictac_ | should be? using iptables? |
| 16:03.56 | lancelot | and next abrotman? |
| 16:03.58 | Malagmyr | abrotman: whole version? the newest one I can find is this thing, gaim_1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-2bpo1_i386.deb, which is 1.5.1, i assume. |
| 16:04.10 | abrotman | lancelot: cp ? rsync? |
| 16:04.17 | lech | the only thing I changed was the port number to match like the old box, same port/ip and enabled through the router |
| 16:04.28 | abrotman | Malagmyr: the one in etch is beta5 |
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| 16:04.31 | abrotman | !info gaim sid |
| 16:04.34 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 16:04.38 | abrotman | so is that .. |
| 16:04.44 | abrotman | !info gaim experimental |
| 16:04.45 | tbd | well my stupid vlc player doesnt want to play wmv videos either wtf |
| 16:04.51 | tbd | just the sound, but no video |
| 16:04.58 | unlink | uhh ... Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)? |
| 16:05.02 | unlink | Mozilla MSIE? |
| 16:05.06 | Malagmyr | abrotman: and beta's are not backported? |
| 16:05.07 | tbd | any clue what's happenning |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | unlink: nothing wrong with that |
| 16:05.26 | lech | tictac_, friend is receiving: "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" on his end |
| 16:05.28 | abrotman | Malagmyr: they may not have been because of etch's imminent release |
| 16:05.32 | unlink | abrotman: what does it mean? |
| 16:05.34 | Aquarina | asg: sorry for taking so long |
| 16:05.35 | abrotman | unlink: do you have IE handy ? |
| 16:05.38 | Aquarina | asg: http://pastebin.ca/316399 |
| 16:05.39 | DavidProck1981 | tbd desync.com: Stargate: SG1 Season 9 HELL YA, I don't have cable and I like Stargate: SG1, thanks for the link, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE LINKS LIKE THAT |
| 16:05.39 | lech | my guess is that it's a key exchange issue? |
| 16:05.51 | unlink | abrotman: give me a few minutes |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: this is not a warez channel .. go away |
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| 16:06.03 | Aquarina | asg: i was looking for interesting things in the log |
| 16:06.04 | abrotman | unlink: about:mozilla |
| 16:06.13 | abrotman | unlink: basically all browsers have the word Mozilla in them |
| 16:06.20 | lancelot | so,summarizing,i cannot recompile my kernel until i get a new HD? |
| 16:06.22 | abrotman | unlink: give me the URL .. we'll see what opera says |
| 16:06.32 | DavidProck1981 | what that is a warez what im watching ????? |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | lancelot: your data should be more important |
| 16:06.35 | unlink | abrotman: http://unlink.ath.cx/ |
| 16:06.50 | czr | is there a way to somehow combine chroot/cwd/drop-privs/exec into one? (ie, a user will run a suid:ed binary, which will do the chroot, then drop the root(suid) and only then execute the target)? |
| 16:06.53 | krazykit | DavidProck1981: if you didn't buy the dvd or watch it on tv, it's pirated. this is not that channel for that. |
| 16:06.54 | lancelot | they're, abrotman |
| 16:07.06 | abrotman | lancelot: back up your data .. then worry about a kenrel |
| 16:07.07 | lancelot | but i'd like to know any details on the situation |
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| 16:07.21 | abrotman | unlink: what's the browser string ? |
| 16:07.34 | unlink | abrotman: GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 513 "-" "Opera/9.10 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) |
| 16:07.38 | DavidProck1981 | actualy the one that is showing this min is a rerun |
| 16:07.39 | unlink | er |
| 16:07.43 | unlink | Opera/9.10 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) |
| 16:07.47 | abrotman | unlink: all IE browsers show up and say Mozilla |
| 16:07.50 | Malagmyr | DavudOricj1981: come back when you have a question involving Debian. we do not distribute links to pirated tv series. |
| 16:07.52 | asg | Aquarina: nothing out of the ordinary there from what I can see |
| 16:07.59 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: honestly .. SHUT UP |
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| 16:08.13 | DavidProck1981 | OK |
| 16:08.16 | *** part/#debian drako (n=laptop@unaffiliated/luisjose) |
| 16:08.26 | *** part/#debian DavidProck1981 (n=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 16:08.27 | Aquarina | asg: hum... :-/ |
| 16:08.30 | Aquarina | asg: thanks |
| 16:08.32 | czr | chroot/cwd/drop-priv/exec, anyone? |
| 16:08.35 | asg | Aquarina: sorry |
| 16:08.41 | Aquarina | no problem |
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| 16:09.01 | Aquarina | i'm in a hurry now but i'll be back to it as soon as i can |
| 16:09.14 | lokito15 | holaaa |
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| 16:09.35 | asg | !es |
| 16:09.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:09.46 | lokito15 | i dont speak english |
| 16:09.50 | lokito15 | jejeje |
| 16:09.53 | lokito15 | :D |
| 16:10.11 | lokito15 | aim bored |
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| 16:10.22 | asg | lokito15: then please feel free to be bored elsewhere |
| 16:10.23 | lokito15 | alguien que hable español |
| 16:10.27 | unlink | abrotman: no about:mozilla on this msie |
| 16:10.40 | unlink | abrotman: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) |
| 16:10.48 | lokito15 | asg no entiendo |
| 16:11.08 | priscila | lokito15, /j #debian-es |
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| 16:11.46 | lokito15 | i dont understand |
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| 16:12.07 | Malagmyr | lokito15: he wants you to join the channel called #debian-es |
| 16:12.08 | asg | lokito15: /part #debian |
| 16:12.12 | asg | lokito15: /join #debian-es |
| 16:12.18 | lokito15 | translator will use to communicate to me |
| 16:12.23 | priscila | Malagmyr, "she" please ;) |
| 16:12.29 | lokito15 | hi priscila |
| 16:12.30 | asg | lokito15: /server joke |
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| 16:12.34 | abrotman | unlink: oh well .. all IE have Mozilla in them .. not a big deal |
| 16:12.41 | Malagmyr | priscila: sorry. |
| 16:12.48 | krazykit | !tell lokito15 -about es |
| 16:12.59 | lokito15 | not bother asg |
| 16:13.13 | lokito15 | jejej |
| 16:13.21 | asg | *plonk* |
| 16:13.28 | priscila | lokito15, puedes entrar en #debian-es |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | lokito15: /join #debian-es |
| 16:13.31 | peasse | hi, could someone guide me to install the driver for the inboard graphic card of my mobo p4vm800 (VIA/S3 UniChrome)? |
| 16:13.34 | fantomas | Hi. Why ifdown -a could skip unconfiguring interfaces which are specified as 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:13.37 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 16:13.37 | dpkg | unichrome is probably the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 16:14.12 | lokito15 | i from argentinaaa |
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| 16:15.24 | Malagmyr | lokito15: do you have a question, or are you here for small talk? |
| 16:15.24 | abrotman | again ? |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | it's the same moron from last night |
| 16:15.25 | lokito15 | that it happens to them? |
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| 16:15.25 | fantomas | lokito15: argentina speaks Spanish, right? |
| 16:15.25 | priscila | lokito15, puedes hablar en espanol en #debian-es no impuerta se es de la argentina |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | i think it's a bot |
| 16:15.25 | deb_noob | can anyone help me configure a wireless network on a netinstall? |
| 16:15.26 | Malagmyr | lokito15: your universal translator is malfunctioning. |
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| 16:15.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do I execute a bash script directly before KDE start? |
| 16:15.31 | fantomas | [sry 4 repost] Why ifdown -a could skip unconfiguring interfaces which are specified as 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:15.39 | lokito15 | Malagmyr single between entertaining to me |
| 16:15.41 | peasse | thx again abrotman, i'm gona check that cause i just can't go above 60hz/ 1280, and my eyes are crying! |
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| 16:15.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:15.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:15.57 | asg | HardDisk_WP: 'exec <script> &' ; put that in ~/.xsession |
| 16:16.27 | lokito15 | already Malagmyr |
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| 16:17.01 | abrotman | lokito15: please go to #debian-es |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | oh goodie .. it found it |
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| 16:17.22 | lokito15 | why? |
| 16:17.28 | HardDisk_WP | asg, with or w/o the 's? |
| 16:17.36 | asg | HardDisk_WP: without |
| 16:17.37 | lokito15 | I like to read |
| 16:17.41 | krazykit | lokito15: because it's a spanish speaking channel. your english is impossible to understand. |
| 16:17.53 | HardDisk_WP | asg, ~/.xsession dont exist |
| 16:17.59 | asg | abrotman: I thought you said it found it |
| 16:18.05 | asg | HardDisk_WP: touch ~/.xsession |
| 16:18.06 | HardDisk_WP | !hr |
| 16:18.07 | dpkg | methinks hr is Croatia |
| 16:18.07 | asg | voila! |
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| 16:18.35 | lokito15 | ok krazykit |
| 16:18.37 | lokito15 | sorry |
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| 16:19.13 | HardDisk_WP | asg, how do i see if it works? simply restart x? |
| 16:19.17 | asg | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 16:19.54 | Aquarina | asg: http://pastebin.ca/316409 (it's a more complete paste of it...) |
| 16:19.56 | asg | HardDisk_WP: depending on what the script does, it might not be necessary to use '&' |
| 16:20.00 | abrotman | asg: it did .. but it won't go away! |
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| 16:20.32 | abrotman | lokito15: then be quiet .. stop talking |
| 16:20.42 | fantomas | lokito15: good luck |
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| 16:21.26 | lokito15 | jejeje |
| 16:21.36 | yggdrasi1 | ... |
| 16:21.36 | asg | Aquarina: the only errors I see are to do with locales. That *shouldn't* affect printing though. /msg dpkg locales |
| 16:22.02 | asg | lokito15: here is your first English lesson: Repeat after me, bugger off. |
| 16:22.05 | yggdrasi1 | lokito15, jejeje sounds like a zombie |
| 16:22.11 | Aquarina | asg: yes, that's what i tought |
| 16:22.28 | abrotman | yggdrasi1: please don't talk to it |
| 16:22.31 | HardDisk_WP | asg, worked thx |
| 16:22.35 | yggdrasi1 | ok |
| 16:22.36 | asg | HardDisk_WP: excellent |
| 16:22.46 | fantomas | Guys, he won't stop talking until you stop talking to him, yeah |
| 16:23.05 | asg | fantomas: it'll keep talking irregardless until an op kicks it |
| 16:23.20 | fantomas | asg: it? you are sure? :) |
| 16:23.36 | lokito15 | i use Babel fish to translate |
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| 16:23.48 | abrotman | lokito15: do you have a question about debian ? |
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| 16:24.06 | asg | fantomas: not enough information to tell without asking it |
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| 16:24.09 | lokito15 | no |
| 16:24.17 | deb_noob | anyone know how to configure the wireless? |
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| 16:24.27 | asg | deb_noob: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 16:24.30 | abrotman | lokito15: please /part this channel ... it is NOT for learning english and you're annoying the god damn fuck out of us |
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| 16:24.33 | fantomas | lokito15: 1+1=? |
| 16:24.40 | cr3 | I'm trying to build a debian package with cdbs using python-distutils.mk, how can I define a different DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD value per package being generated? |
| 16:24.43 | lokito15 | 4? |
| 16:24.58 | lokito15 | sshhh abrotman |
| 16:24.59 | deb_noob | asg: can you tell me how to do it, i can't man |
| 16:25.00 | abrotman | you're going to have to get it kicked out of the channel |
| 16:25.14 | fantomas | asg: it is a human |
| 16:25.26 | krazykit | deb_noob: for the installation? depends on the card. if it's already in the kernel, you're good. if you need to build it, it's better to just find a place to plug in. |
| 16:25.27 | bud | or you could put it on ignore |
| 16:25.28 | asg | deb_noob: have you installed debian yet or are you still installing? |
| 16:25.30 | lokito15 | close the mouth |
| 16:25.39 | asg | fantomas: it has yet to demonstrate that fact convincingly |
| 16:25.44 | deb_noob | asg: still installing |
| 16:25.48 | fantomas | asg: :) |
| 16:25.59 | deb_noob | wireless ESSID it asks for |
| 16:26.02 | yggdrasi1 | lokito15, what happened on your tongue? |
| 16:26.24 | deb_noob | what is an ESSID? |
| 16:26.27 | *** part/#debian dorel__ (n=liran@80.179.31.43.static.012.net.il) |
| 16:26.40 | asg | deb_noob: the ID of your wireless access point |
| 16:26.44 | lokito15 | nothing yggdrasi1 |
| 16:26.49 | yggdrasi1 | ... |
| 16:26.50 | krazykit | deb_noob: it's the name of the network. the default for linksys routers, for example, is "linksys" |
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| 16:27.50 | asg | deb_noob: you are better off using a wired connection to get the installation finished. While wireless installation isn't impossible, it's unlikely that the installer kernel has the required support and it's unlikely that the installer has the required tools. |
| 16:28.09 | peasse | abrotman : i have VIA PT800 + VIA VT8237 R in my mobo, it's not listed in http://unichrome.sf.net/ ... |
| 16:28.19 | asg | deb_noob: if you can get to a shell (ALT+F2), does 'iwconfig -a' do anything useful? |
| 16:28.30 | asg | deb_noob: sorry, just 'iwconfig' |
| 16:28.51 | lokito15 | que aburrido=bored |
| 16:29.17 | deb_noob | shoot, yeah i got it |
| 16:29.26 | deb_noob | had the pins backwards |
| 16:29.33 | fantomas | peasse: isn't it EPIA thing? |
| 16:29.37 | deb_noob | which is the best mirror to use? |
| 16:29.53 | asg | deb_noob: generally the closest one. |
| 16:30.03 | deb_noob | i'm in wisconsin us |
| 16:30.05 | krazykit | deb_noob: you can't go wrong with the main debian one, but closer is better. |
| 16:30.14 | asg | deb_noob: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:30.19 | yggdrasi1 | I doubt EPIA can survive |
| 16:30.32 | lokito15 | 13:00 hs |
| 16:30.47 | yggdrasi1 | somewhat I like all VIA's chips |
| 16:30.49 | lokito15 | im hungry |
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| 16:31.01 | peasse | <fantomas> : don't know what EPIA means |
| 16:31.14 | asg | !ops lokito15 doesn't want to talk about Debian. |
| 16:31.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: lokito15 doesn't want to talk about Debian. |
| 16:31.21 | yggdrasi1 | a VIA mini MB? |
| 16:31.29 | peasse | yes |
| 16:31.33 | LoRez | lokito15: true? |
| 16:31.36 | peasse | micro-ATX |
| 16:31.43 | lokito15 | true what? |
| 16:31.47 | fantomas | yggdrasi1: its just fine imho, gonna get nanoRouter as soon as those tinny motherboards will come to Russia. Just can't wait |
| 16:31.55 | LoRez | that you don't wish to stay on topic. |
| 16:32.15 | yggdrasi1 | the fact, now, nVidi's APU is a joke on linux/bsd |
| 16:32.31 | grems | Hi, any Japenese speakers around ? |
| 16:32.37 | krazykit | !jp |
| 16:32.37 | dpkg | from memory, jp is Japan |
| 16:32.41 | lokito15 | is not true LoRez |
| 16:32.44 | peasse | arigato |
| 16:32.44 | fantomas | peasse: forget it, it was simply false supposion.. |
| 16:32.49 | peasse | np |
| 16:32.52 | yggdrasi1 | grems, you? |
| 16:32.56 | grems | nope. |
| 16:33.03 | krazykit | grems: sorry, thought there was a debian-jp... |
| 16:33.08 | deb_noob | brb |
| 16:33.11 | peasse | konitchiwa |
| 16:33.17 | lokito15 | single I read what they write |
| 16:33.23 | peasse | moshe moshe |
| 16:33.34 | grems | well, perhaps i cold open debian-jp and wait for someeone to show up :) ? |
| 16:33.35 | yggdrasi1 | grems, can you speak vietnamese? |
| 16:33.53 | grems | yggdrasi1, no - I cant even speak english properly :) |
| 16:34.05 | yggdrasi1 | grems, huh huh huh |
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| 16:34.16 | lokito15 | byee |
| 16:34.27 | krazykit | grems: heh, maybe, but if there's no dedicated support channel (maybe there is, check on debian.org)... then you might have to try getting suppot in english :-/ |
| 16:34.34 | lokito15 | byeeeeeeeeee |
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| 16:35.03 | grems | i'll try. thank you. |
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| 16:37.37 | deb_noob | it's installing the 686 kernel? this machine is a 266mhz intel |
| 16:37.51 | encrypt | does anyone know if is there a module to put some ips in a "blacklist" so that apache can display a |
| 16:37.52 | Miesco | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 16:37.53 | yggdrasi1 | lie |
| 16:37.54 | Miesco | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 16:37.55 | ruben | I am grsecurity patch for debian sarge, but now, I cannot restart a chroot program like apache, any idea how to fix it? |
| 16:37.58 | encrypt | does anyone know if is there a module to put some ips in a "blacklist" so that apache can display a webpage for these blacklisted ips? |
| 16:37.58 | Miesco | Whats that mean? |
| 16:38.03 | pumpkin0 | deb_noob: so ? 686 is pentium Pro, pentium II and up. |
| 16:38.11 | deb_noob | oh sweet |
| 16:38.21 | deb_noob | is the 266mhz a pentium 2? |
| 16:38.25 | yggdrasi1 | deb_noob, sorry, do you mean a PII? |
| 16:38.31 | deb_noob | yeah |
| 16:38.49 | jello | czr: pivot_root |
| 16:38.50 | fantomas | 2!=II? |
| 16:38.50 | yggdrasi1 | oooooh |
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| 16:39.07 | yggdrasi1 | the old... enough gear |
| 16:39.10 | pumpkin0 | deb_noob: check "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ... |
| 16:39.20 | czr | jello, I don't want to pivot root |
| 16:39.56 | deb_noob | kde or gnome |
| 16:39.59 | deb_noob | that is the question |
| 16:40.00 | czr | jello, I want a program that is a) executed with normal user privs (suid-bit ok), 2) will do chroot, 3) will drop privs (from suid) 4) do cwd inside chroot, 5) execute the target |
| 16:40.37 | czr | jello, if you have a solution which doesn't involve writing scripts, I'm all ears. |
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| 16:41.14 | Miesco | What are KDE headers? |
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| 16:41.49 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: stuff you need to compile other programms. Usually not needed. |
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| 16:43.00 | Miesco | pumpkin0: Like devel files? |
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| 16:43.59 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: yes. |
| 16:44.00 | jello | czr: i don't know of anything offhand... you probably have to write a script/program |
| 16:44.35 | czr | jello, I've written a program actually. just wanted to know whether it's any use to anyone else (I couldn't find anything that did those things) |
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| 16:46.17 | Diamond | Hi |
| 16:46.23 | Diamond | :) |
| 16:46.27 | Diamond | i have a question |
| 16:46.39 | Miesco | pumpkin0: I get this: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 16:46.46 | Diamond | does anyone knows a good webmail prog |
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| 16:47.14 | asg | Diamond: squirrelmail is decent enough for simple webmail setups |
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| 16:47.24 | HymnToLife | Diamond, Horde |
| 16:47.30 | Diamond | i normaly use squirrelmail but i have problems when installing with php5-mysql |
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| 16:48.02 | krazykit | Diamond: horde, maybe. the new version is kinda slow |
| 16:48.50 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: which prog gives you that message ? |
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| 16:49.04 | Miesco | pumpkin0: kmuddy |
| 16:49.39 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: you tried to compile that one ? |
| 16:50.02 | Miesco | pumpkin0: yea |
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| 16:51.26 | Miesco | pumpkin0: Yes, I fixed it, I just installed kde devel files |
| 16:51.59 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: compiling and installing from soucre is a BAD idea. if you cannot find a deb-file use the rpm and convert it. |
| 16:52.14 | Miesco | Why is it a bad idea |
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| 16:53.36 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: usually apt/ dpkg/ synaptic... take care of all programms. adding something without telling them may have a lot of bad consequences, like missing libs, bad dependncies, overwritten files... |
| 16:55.44 | grelli | worst case scenario you could use checkinstall to create a deb from the tarball |
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| 17:00.22 | rapi | hello |
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| 17:02.25 | sam_uk | it seems that i have compiled an unnecessary kernel... when i get to a grub screen it shows; kernel 2.6.18-3 and kernel 2.617-1, i actually use the .17 kernel which is the second on the list so i have to select it at each boot. How can i remove the unneeded .18 kernel (or at least grub's reference to it) ?? |
| 17:02.45 | plediii | sam_uk: dpkg -P the unused kernel |
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| 17:03.32 | sam_uk | syntax; dpkg -p kernel-2.617-1 ??? |
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| 17:04.02 | bosko | Hi there, I'm having some trouble installing Debian. Basically, whenever I get to the "Partition Disks" portion of the install, it says it cant find any partinionable media. However, I've had unallocated space freed up (14 gigs), and I've even tried creating a simple linux ext2/swap partitions without the installer but it still cant find it.. Any ideas? |
| 17:04.33 | sam_uk | what is the command for looking at kernel versions? uname ...somthing..? |
| 17:04.40 | plediii | capital P, for purge. You have to know the package name. Then it's dpkg -P <package_name> |
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| 17:05.23 | slept | sam_uk, --help |
| 17:05.40 | Mordantly_Bright | uname -a will show all headers, such as comp name and kernel. |
| 17:05.53 | curt_ | sam_uk, uname -r, it does look up kernel version it prints your current one. |
| 17:05.57 | Mordantly_Bright | bosko: did you set your mount points. |
| 17:06.04 | plediii | if you want to find the list of installed packages, try dpkg-query -l 'linux-image*' |
| 17:06.23 | bosko | Mount points? Hrm, not sure .. where do I check this? |
| 17:06.28 | plediii | This is all assuming you used the debian way to install the packages |
| 17:06.29 | Thms | is the debian installer checking the packages installed with md5sum etc. ? |
| 17:06.58 | Mordantly_Bright | if you use manaul you can set the partitions you want, then you need to set the mount points as well as what file system you use. |
| 17:07.05 | slept | sam_uk, in /boot/grub/menu.lst you can select which entry should be booted , 0 is the default and corresponds to the first entry |
| 17:07.06 | plediii | and by packages, I meant kernel. |
| 17:07.17 | Mordantly_Bright | Its kind of not that intuitive to do. |
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| 17:07.29 | bosko | I never even noticed there was a manual install option heh :P |
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| 17:07.57 | bosko | But my current partitions look like this: Linux ext2 / 12g, and Linux swap, 600mb |
| 17:08.07 | bosko | How do I choose the mount points for debian exactly? |
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| 17:08.12 | Mordantly_Bright | when you click on dis partitions, at the bottom, it will have a manual option. |
| 17:08.47 | valdyn | bosko: that's obvious when you install, you probably just hit "OK" instead of picking a disk / partition and change things |
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| 17:08.59 | peasse | i've just installed xdm, and it's cool... but how can i quit x to return to console mode? each time i quit X i have the prompt of xdm... |
| 17:09.04 | Mordantly_Bright | You just select the partiton, and you can change the size, and mount point, along with the file system. |
| 17:09.08 | bosko | Hmm ok |
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| 17:09.21 | bosko | I didnt see it, I will look around more closely as I install |
| 17:09.22 | valdyn | peasse: don't quit xdm, just hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 17:09.29 | peasse | really |
| 17:09.51 | curt_ | peasse, f7 should get you back to xdm |
| 17:09.59 | Mordantly_Bright | peasse: you could always use a differnt console just type ctrl alt f1 -f6 |
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| 17:10.14 | Mordantly_Bright | f7 is the default xwindown console. |
| 17:10.25 | soufiane | hi all |
| 17:10.27 | KriS83 | Hi, I'm trying to do a unattended install of etch. But I'm having a problem when installing postfix. I use this command to install: chroot ${rootMountPoint} /bin/sh -c "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBCONF_TERSE=YES apt-get -y install postfix" but I still get promted for input. How come? |
| 17:10.34 | soufiane | i would like to install a server on a debian |
| 17:10.45 | valdyn | soufiane: so install it |
| 17:10.45 | peasse | thx all for the tip |
| 17:10.46 | soufiane | which version do you advice me to install |
| 17:10.51 | valdyn | soufiane: sarge |
| 17:11.03 | soufiane | ok how many cds |
| 17:11.04 | soufiane | ? |
| 17:11.09 | valdyn | soufiane: but this recommendation might change slightly if you specified your requirements |
| 17:11.10 | Mordantly_Bright | soufiane: I would suggest etch, unless its a production server. |
| 17:11.11 | soufiane | and where can i get theme ? |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | soufiane: just the first CD at most |
| 17:11.47 | soufiane | i have Intel 2.8 ghz as a processor |
| 17:11.52 | soufiane | 512 DDR as ram |
| 17:11.59 | soufiane | and ATI as a Graphical card |
| 17:12.32 | valdyn | soufiane: you think your choice of gfx card matters for a server? |
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| 17:12.55 | soufiane | no |
| 17:13.00 | soufiane | don't care |
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| 17:13.10 | soufiane | just spercifiying all the infos |
| 17:13.11 | soufiane | lol |
| 17:13.13 | soufiane | that's all |
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| 17:13.30 | valdyn | soufiane: ok, for installing you need your disk controller and your network controller to be supported. |
| 17:14.17 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 17:14.17 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
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| 17:14.36 | soufiane | ok thanks got the whole idea |
| 17:14.43 | valdyn | soufiane: if your computer is newer than sarge then chances are that the default sarge installer won't fit |
| 17:15.40 | curt_ | what? |
| 17:15.41 | tbd | if i want to use the vlc from etch, how do i do that? |
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| 17:15.56 | valdyn | tbd: use it where? on windows? |
| 17:16.07 | Mordantly_Bright | [falls in line waiting for orders] |
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| 17:16.33 | purestorm_ | Hi. I want to create a backport of a native package. I get the sources via apt-get source, create a new changelog entry with dch and then call "dpkg-source -b the-change-directory the-package.tar.gz" to create a new dsc file. When I call "dpkg-source -x created-dsc-file.dsc" then a package-name.orig.tar.gz gets created. However, there should not be an orig.tar.gz for a native package. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:16.52 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 17:16.52 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 17:16.55 | soufiane | thanks a mill |
| 17:16.57 | Mordantly_Bright | tbd: just download the .deb and use dpkg -i for install, or change your source list. |
| 17:17.00 | valdyn | purestorm_: ^^ doesnt do it? |
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| 17:17.29 | tbd | valdyn for debian ? |
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| 17:17.46 | Mordantly_Bright | if your missing dependences just download them as well. |
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| 17:18.17 | purestorm_ | valdyn: I want to use pbuilder and pbuilder needs a .dsc file to build a pakcage |
| 17:18.17 | curt_ | why not etch for production, technically it is going to be stable after the last few bugs are resolved? |
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| 17:18.47 | tbd | <-- wants to use sarge, except for vlc player, so what do i add to my sources.list and how to apt-get from there? |
| 17:18.58 | ofer0 | tbd, backports |
| 17:19.10 | valdyn | tbd: ok, sarge ,that's what i wanted to know |
| 17:19.23 | cornernote | i am trying to update from backports.org to get a new kernel, and i added the kernel to /etc/apt/preferences ... now it wont get it cos of dependancies.. so i have to add all dependancies to preferences ? |
| 17:19.25 | Mordantly_Bright | curt_: I have to agree, sarge is pretty old, even with backports its kind of long in the tooth. |
| 17:19.32 | cornernote | or is there an easier way |
| 17:19.36 | valdyn | tbd: you can look at backports.org or try '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' ( using etch instead of sid ) |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn | curt_: the questions is: Why use prerelease software when there's stable software available? |
| 17:21.07 | Mordantly_Bright | this is usually what happens, about all talk stable, some think sid is stable lol. |
| 17:21.11 | valdyn | purestorm_: i know about doing backports, i dont know this 'pbuilder' tool |
| 17:21.30 | tbd | valdyn : why cant i just add the testing main contrib to my sources.list and apt-get -t install vlc? |
| 17:21.55 | purestorm_ | valdyn: pbuilder creates a chroot that you build the packages in, you can install build dependencies in there without tainting your system. |
| 17:21.58 | Mordantly_Bright | should work, but check the dependences, as it might want to install most of etch as well. |
| 17:22.11 | valdyn | tbd: you can try that, it may work or not, it may upgrade half your system to etch. It can work, it may not. |
| 17:22.37 | Mordantly_Bright | that is why I suggested just downloading .deb and using dpkg -i |
| 17:23.00 | Mordantly_Bright | if it chokes it will tell you what dependence it wants, wash and repeat. |
| 17:23.03 | valdyn | tbd: so.. its not the right way, technically, but ymmv |
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| 17:23.13 | deebu | !contrib |
| 17:23.13 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 17:23.28 | deebu | !main |
| 17:23.28 | dpkg | it has been said that main is a topic that doesn't work. |
| 17:23.30 | Mordantly_Bright | valdyn: their are really no wrong way, people do it all the time. |
| 17:23.33 | deebu | !dvd |
| 17:23.33 | dpkg | it has been said that dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check growisofs. |
| 17:23.46 | Mordantly_Bright | but you need to be aware of the risk. |
| 17:23.46 | deebu | !debian |
| 17:23.47 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:23.53 | deebu | !debian dvd |
| 17:23.55 | valdyn | Mordantly_Bright: sure, and break their systems, and come here to whine , and get told to reinstall, and generaly have alot of issues |
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| 17:24.49 | Mordantly_Bright | valdyn: thats whats happens if you want a package in testing , or sid. part of running debian. |
| 17:25.43 | Mordantly_Bright | you could say the same about every package you apt-get, regardless of depostory. |
| 17:26.13 | valdyn | Mordantly_Bright: backporting is done for a reason, period. |
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| 17:26.49 | Mordantly_Bright | that might be the reason, but don't complain if a backport doesn't work as advertised. |
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| 17:27.21 | deebu | how can people who use etch as desktop be happy with ff 1.5.x n outdated packages? |
| 17:27.36 | deebu | although its superstable.. |
| 17:27.39 | valdyn | deebu: why would i need ff2? |
| 17:27.50 | tbd | well in the doc of debian it says i could apt-get -t etch install vlc |
| 17:27.55 | valdyn | deebu: even though it this o so cool higher version number |
| 17:28.07 | tbd | but that will update my whole system, so this is bullshit or what do i do? |
| 17:28.11 | streuner | deebu: just use the binaries of mozilla.com? |
| 17:28.31 | Mordantly_Bright | tbd: go ahead and try it but you need to add it to your sources list. |
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| 17:28.53 | valdyn | tbd: try a simple etch backport or upgrade your system to etch, its all about what you need from your system |
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| 17:29.30 | deebu | valdyn, addons get outdated n dont work on 1.5.. |
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| 17:29.37 | Mordantly_Bright | it should only pull in the dependences that vlc needs, unless vlc needs a lot of stuff should be fine. |
| 17:29.39 | cornernote | i want to install the 2.6.18 kernel in sarge... so i added backports to my sources.list, and ran this: apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 17:29.52 | streuner | deebu: we told you. |
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| 17:30.08 | cornernote | linux-image-2.6.18-3-686: Depends: initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) but it is not going to be installed or yaird (>= 0.0.12-8) but it is not installable or linux-initramfs-tool |
| 17:30.16 | valdyn | deebu: you can't assume that people ( who might be fine with 1.5 ) need any of those |
| 17:30.20 | streuner | deebu: or just wait till iceweasel goes into etch, its still RC |
| 17:31.26 | deebu | id love to see ff 2.0 in etch final... |
| 17:31.35 | deebu | valdyn, but its nice to have newer stuff.. |
| 17:31.41 | valdyn | cornernote: those packages are at backports.org too |
| 17:31.46 | streuner | it was the same problem with firefox in sarge... |
| 17:32.01 | cornernote | valdyn, why wont they install ? |
| 17:32.05 | valdyn | deebu: nice? i don't know about you, but I primarily want a usable, easy to maintain system. not 'niceness' |
| 17:32.08 | cornernote | so i have to install them seperately ? |
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| 17:32.27 | cornernote | *so=do |
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| 17:32.51 | valdyn | cornernote: probably , depends on priorities, see 'man apt_preferences' or 'apt-cache policy <somepackage>' |
| 17:32.59 | kain | #j centos |
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| 17:33.31 | streuner | !sunday |
| 17:33.31 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 17:33.41 | avtobiff | !sane |
| 17:33.41 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 17:33.45 | avtobiff | !unsane |
| 17:33.51 | Mordantly_Bright | dpkg: Sir yes Sir |
| 17:33.55 | avtobiff | !unpossible |
| 17:34.02 | deb_noob | haha, bbl later guys, thanks for the help |
| 17:34.22 | Mordantly_Bright | later deb_noob |
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| 17:34.33 | streuner | avtobiff: /msg dpkg <factoid> also works, but don't abuse the bot too much, some people don't like that ;-) |
| 17:34.53 | Mordantly_Bright | dpkg: sane would be great if I could just solve my hplip bug problem. |
| 17:34.53 | dpkg | would be great if I could just solve my hplip bug problem. is 96% sane! |
| 17:35.11 | Mordantly_Bright | thats good |
| 17:35.14 | cornernote | can anyone tell me how to update to 2.6.18 on sarge ? |
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| 17:35.27 | streuner | !tell cornernote about backports |
| 17:35.28 | deebu | i had one question....does debian-kde automount all usbs, cameras....n does it open k3b when blank cd goes into it?? |
| 17:35.43 | cornernote | streuner: i am using backports |
| 17:35.49 | cornernote | it still wont do it |
| 17:35.57 | streuner | so read instructions AGAIN :-) |
| 17:36.05 | Mordantly_Bright | streuner: but's its so fun ;) |
| 17:36.17 | cornernote | theres 4 lines of instructions, i have tried for over an hour |
| 17:36.37 | streuner | cornernote: not sure, is there a 2.6.18 kernel at backports.org? |
| 17:36.44 | Mordantly_Bright | cornernote: I would but valdyn would probably object I will go quite on this one. |
| 17:36.56 | valdyn | cornernote: and you never ran 'apt-get -t sarge-backports install initramfs-tools' ? |
| 17:37.04 | valdyn | cornernote: amazing |
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| 17:37.28 | cornernote | yes i did that |
| 17:37.37 | cornernote | i can paste the output if you like |
| 17:37.41 | valdyn | cornernote: sure |
| 17:37.48 | valdyn | cornernote: just don't paste here |
| 17:37.55 | Mordantly_Bright | [if it was me I would just apt-get update distupgrade to etch but that's me] |
| 17:37.57 | cornernote | but its pretty much the same as the output from the kernel upgrade.. ok - hold on |
| 17:38.19 | Mordantly_Bright | at least not more than 4 lines. |
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| 17:38.40 | cornernote | http://pastebin.ca/316472 |
| 17:39.23 | valdyn | cornernote: now you maybe should do just that with busybox, but i'd rather see your /etc/apt/sources.list first |
| 17:40.03 | valdyn | cornernote: and your /etc/apt/apt_preferences file |
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| 17:40.16 | cornernote | sources: http://pastebin.ca/316473 |
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| 17:40.23 | cornernote | preferences is empty |
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| 17:40.40 | cornernote | i tried adding the kernel to it, but that didnt help |
| 17:41.07 | streuner | !info busybox sarge |
| 17:41.10 | dpkg | busybox: (Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.60.5-2.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 400 kB |
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| 17:41.41 | tbd | WHY is mplayer not installable at the moment? |
| 17:41.48 | tbd | doesnt work |
| 17:41.59 | blondie | !doesn't work |
| 17:41.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:42.19 | valdyn | cornernote: probably had a type in /etc/apt/preferences then, now do this with busybox etc or fix the preferences |
| 17:42.26 | valdyn | s/type/typo/ |
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| 17:42.34 | streuner | cornernote: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 17:42.34 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 17:42.44 | Ramattack | is glibc present always in all machines? |
| 17:42.50 | tbd | lol nice one blondie |
| 17:42.58 | valdyn | Ramattack: yes |
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| 17:43.09 | cornernote | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 17:43.40 | streuner | cornernote: add this line "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" into your sources.list |
| 17:43.50 | tbd | The following packages have unmet dependencies: xmms-xmmplayer: mplayer: The package is not installable |
| 17:43.50 | Ramattack | valdyn if i give dpkg -l in my debian machine it appears as uninstalled |
| 17:44.03 | Ramattack | valdyn I've got libc6-i686 |
| 17:44.07 | valdyn | Ramattack: because there's no package named 'glibc' |
| 17:44.18 | valdyn | Ramattack: that is it. |
| 17:44.24 | Ramattack | but libc6 is same as glibc6? |
| 17:44.28 | tbd | how bout that blondie? |
| 17:44.34 | valdyn | Ramattack: no, libc6 is glibc2 |
| 17:44.44 | Mordantly_Bright | tbd: thats one of the results of vlc, looks like it wants you to install a newer version. |
| 17:45.03 | valdyn | Ramattack: libc6 came after libc5, that's why its _called_ libc6, the upstream source is glibc2.x |
| 17:45.07 | Ramattack | if I type dpkg -l glibc* I see some glibc packages that I havent |
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| 17:45.20 | Mordantly_Bright | your choice decide to let it do it, or not. probably not going to make a big deal either way. |
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| 17:46.04 | Mordantly_Bright | tbd: but chances are it will ask to pull more packages. |
| 17:46.05 | HardDisk_WP | hi @ll |
| 17:46.07 | valdyn | Ramattack: so.. its just a name invented for historical reasons |
| 17:46.14 | Mordantly_Bright | bosko: so what did you find out. |
| 17:46.17 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knowing how to tunnel a X connection? |
| 17:46.18 | bosko | Well |
| 17:46.26 | zzz | Hi! Is there any program for sarge (/etch) like userconf (linuxconf) was for woody? |
| 17:46.37 | Ramattack | Valdyn ok then I should patch with errno patch my software because I'm using glibc isn't it? |
| 17:46.41 | Mordantly_Bright | sure look up screen. |
| 17:46.49 | bosko | I did the install in "expert" boot which seems to be the manual option but this time it could not detect my CDRom, despite being able to read and detect it from previous attempts |
| 17:47.12 | tbd | mordantly_bright: i didnt do anything to upgrade vlc so far. So why wont debian let me install the simple mplayer package? |
| 17:47.21 | valdyn | Ramattack: you're using glibc defenitely, i dont know about your software |
| 17:47.31 | Ramattack | Debian Sarge 3.1 R1 |
| 17:47.31 | cornernote | streuner: thanks - that works |
| 17:47.51 | valdyn | !info libc5 sarge |
| 17:47.54 | dpkg | libc5: (The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libraries).), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 5.4.46-15 (sarge), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 17:47.55 | valdyn | !info libc5 woody |
| 17:47.57 | cornernote | installing with no ethernet put me out a bit... |
| 17:48.01 | Mordantly_Bright | well mplayer is technically not in the repositories. you need to add a few line to your source list. |
| 17:48.18 | tbd | oh |
| 17:48.27 | valdyn | !info libc5 etch |
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| 17:48.57 | valdyn | Ramattack: looks like sarge was the last debian that even shipped libc5 ( for legacy binary only apps ) |
| 17:49.00 | Cyis | hmm... guess there isn't any stock kernel optimized for Intel Core Duo |
| 17:49.19 | Mordantly_Bright | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-mplayer-in-debian-sargeetch-and-sid.html |
| 17:49.31 | Ramattack | valdyn if I patch errno.h files if were not necessary could something happen? |
| 17:49.32 | Mordantly_Bright | this might give you an idea about mplayer. |
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| 17:49.59 | valdyn | Cyis: that's a pentiun-M for your that purpose, which is a -686 kernel |
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| 17:50.29 | valdyn | Cyis: err, -686-smp |
| 17:50.31 | Cyis | ok... didn't realize pentium-m == core duo |
| 17:50.48 | Cyis | I thought -686-smp was transitional as the kernel now supports both UP and SMP |
| 17:50.52 | valdyn | Cyis: no =, but based on |
| 17:50.59 | valdyn | Cyis: if you dont use sarge.. |
| 17:51.04 | Cyis | etch |
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| 17:53.15 | Ramattack | valdyn so I can apply the glibc errno patches without any problem then if I need as if I don't need them? |
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| 17:53.35 | valdyn | Ramattack: i have no idea about this |
| 17:53.45 | valdyn | Ramattack: its off topic too, maybe try #c |
| 17:54.18 | xingu | from the school of user interface design bastardry... calculators that default to /converting/ all decimals to improper factions and expressing results as same |
| 17:54.28 | Ramattack | ok thanks a lot then valdyn |
| 17:54.54 | Ramattack | thanks a lot guys |
| 17:54.55 | valdyn | !info mplayer etch |
| 17:54.56 | Ramattack | bye! |
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| 17:55.01 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 9728 kB |
| 17:56.32 | tbd | mordantly_bright thanks for the link, now would vlc be able to use w32codecs? |
| 17:56.42 | valdyn | tbd: sure |
| 17:56.59 | bosko | Hmm, I think my confusion is lying in the fact that what I see on my screen when I boot from the CD is totally different from what is shown in the latest installation manuals |
| 17:57.23 | Mordantly_Bright | not sure, not that familar with vlc. |
| 17:57.23 | tbd | valdyn: what would i have to do for that, just apt-get it? |
| 17:57.24 | valdyn | bosko: latest manual you used is probably for sarge while you are using an etch prerelease installer? |
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| 17:57.32 | valdyn | !marillay |
| 17:57.34 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 17:57.34 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 17:57.37 | bosko | I downloaded the latest stable sarge release |
| 17:57.47 | valdyn | tbd: w32codecs is in the repository dpkg listed above |
| 17:57.52 | HymnToLife | valdyn, you sure about it ? I don't think VLC can use other stuff than what it has builtin |
| 17:58.04 | valdyn | HymnToLife: im sure |
| 17:58.09 | bosko | debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso :E |
| 17:58.18 | tbd | valdyn: i know i'm already getting it, i just wanted to know if i have to do anything else besides installing it so vlc can acces the codecs |
| 17:58.25 | TurnTheOtherWay_ | !raid |
| 17:58.25 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid]. |
| 17:58.44 | TurnTheOtherWay_ | thats no help at all :s lol |
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| 17:59.37 | S2AnGeL | is it possibly to mount var to the same partion I am running home on |
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| 18:00.11 | tbd | is there a way to put programs in the /home directory so they dont consume the disk space on an almost filled up partition |
| 18:00.41 | HymnToLife | S2AnGeL, not directly, but you can make e.g. a /home/var dir and symlink /var to it |
| 18:00.43 | Mordantly_Bright | sure you can mount any partiton, but it will not see what you mounted over. |
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| 18:01.47 | Mordantly_Bright | tbd: in the long run you will porbably want ot add more room, to the partitions you need. but you could do it that way. |
| 18:02.03 | tbd | howto? |
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| 18:02.18 | nkuttler | S2AnGeL: hm? |
| 18:02.30 | S2AnGeL | actualy I just wanted ispconfig to put it all in the home dir but aparently new version (fixed ??) now its all in the debian standard var/www ugh!#$ |
| 18:02.32 | valdyn | tbd: that's evil |
| 18:02.42 | valdyn | tbd: no free partition or disk? |
| 18:02.48 | Mordantly_Bright | the reference manual will have some info on that basically you wnat to resize your file system the partition is on. |
| 18:02.54 | valdyn | tbd: or packages that you could remove? |
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| 18:03.41 | PeterC | I would like to change the hostname of a computer. Do I only change the name in /etc/hostname? Is it that simple? |
| 18:03.51 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 18:03.51 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:04.15 | valdyn | PeterC: and you might also have to / want to change /etc/mailname |
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| 18:04.26 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 18:04.48 | xingu | valdyn: and whatever the nss hosts map points to |
| 18:04.50 | valdyn | PeterC: so yes, its that simple, but probably not enough for what you really want |
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| 18:05.33 | tbd | mordantly_bright: well i'm sure i could remove a lot of stuff, if i had a list of all the installed programs on my debian system |
| 18:05.47 | PeterC | valdyn: How come? |
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| 18:06.05 | Mordantly_Bright | yeah what does df -h show. |
| 18:07.10 | tbd | 70% full on hda1, only 10% on hda6 |
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| 18:07.19 | tbd | dpkg -l? |
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| 18:07.40 | Mordantly_Bright | pipe it to less so yo can see what you have installed. |
| 18:07.44 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 18:07.45 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 18:08.40 | ZagrebA | Hello does anybody in here connects to the swedish project relakks with pptp? Im having a problem after i exec the command "pon Relakks" i get connection but after a minute the connection dies. |
| 18:09.13 | Mordantly_Bright | does it want a password, |
| 18:09.15 | nkuttler | tbd: try debfoster |
| 18:09.55 | ZagrebA | Mordantly_Bright: talkin to me? |
| 18:10.24 | Mordantly_Bright | sure just curious if it wanted a password, |
| 18:10.38 | ZagrebA | Mordantly_Bright: it does |
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| 18:11.04 | Mordantly_Bright | interesting is another client availble for use, |
| 18:11.16 | ZagrebA | Mordantly_Bright: which? |
| 18:11.31 | deb_noob | well the netinstall detected the wireless card and network, but now logged in i'm not online. any ideas? |
| 18:12.03 | Mordantly_Bright | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.32 | Mordantly_Bright | deb_noob: you need to configure your wireless card to your network. |
| 18:12.43 | deb_noob | where do i do that? |
| 18:12.46 | tbd | would xmms play mpg videos without mplayer? |
| 18:13.01 | Mordantly_Bright | I would suggest using iwconfig. |
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| 18:14.10 | deb_noob | iwconfig displays a connection on eth0 |
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| 18:14.41 | deb_noob | how do i set it? |
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| 18:15.50 | deb_noob | anyone? |
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| 18:15.55 | Mordantly_Bright | you might want to man iwconfig |
| 18:16.04 | deb_noob | i can't man |
| 18:16.12 | Mordantly_Bright | usually you pass the settings on the cmd line. |
| 18:16.23 | deb_noob | well how do i set it |
| 18:16.42 | nkuttler | deb_noob: why can't you read the manpage? |
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| 18:17.01 | Mordantly_Bright | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/iwconfig.8.html |
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| 18:17.28 | bosko | Alright, now I know where I'm stuck |
| 18:18.07 | bosko | I got the installer running on the other pc right now, the instructions say I can select "Manually edit partition tables" from the install screen but I do not see this anywhere |
| 18:18.21 | bosko | I see "Partition Disks" but that just says no media is found and gives me no other options |
| 18:18.49 | tbd | lol vlc plays the sound mplayer doesnt play nothing and xmms plays the video without the sound, wtf |
| 18:18.52 | valdyn | bosko: so no disks aren't found so you cant install debian using that installer |
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| 18:18.56 | deb_noob | Mordantly_Bright: is it something like iwconfig eth0 |
| 18:18.59 | quintin | I'm getting "Access is Denied" when I try to write to a samba share .. what gives ? |
| 18:19.00 | Mordantly_Bright | bosko: you might need to make partiton. |
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| 18:19.03 | quintin | User trying to write is the owner of the dir |
| 18:19.05 | quintin | lotsa free disk space |
| 18:19.09 | curt_ | bosko, did you try expert26? |
| 18:19.09 | bosko | I did make the partition |
| 18:19.20 | Mordantly_Bright | deb_noob: yeah look at the link, you will need to pass it a few options. |
| 18:19.22 | bosko | No, what's that? |
| 18:19.23 | Danielss89 | hi, what was the command for removing a package and all the config to that package? |
| 18:19.31 | deb_noob | such as what |
| 18:19.41 | valdyn | Danielss89: apt-get remove --purge or aptitude purge |
| 18:19.49 | Danielss89 | thx |
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| 18:20.01 | curt_ | bosko, what did you mean 'I did make the partition'? |
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| 18:20.38 | bosko | I setup unallocated space on my hard drive and created an ext2 format partition on it, and then some swap |
| 18:21.18 | Mordantly_Bright | sorry had to find a link for ya, try this link! |
| 18:21.22 | Mordantly_Bright | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 18:21.35 | nkuttler | deb_noob: try iwconfig eth0 up. use iwconfig to see if it conncted to a network. |
| 18:21.36 | Mordantly_Bright | this is for etch but is usefull in general. |
| 18:21.39 | quintin | The FS is mounted read-only |
| 18:21.41 | quintin | wtf? :) |
| 18:22.14 | Mordantly_Bright | deb_noob: if you have wep, or even this your probably need a few options. |
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| 18:22.53 | bosko | Ya I read that page but it just doesnt make sense because I am just never given those options |
| 18:23.13 | bosko | despite following every previous steps to a tee, I just dont get the option to select/edit partitions |
| 18:24.19 | Mordantly_Bright | something like this or the general idea, iwconfig eth1 essid "your wireless ap name" key "enter your wep key or wpa key" |
| 18:24.32 | valdyn | bosko: didnt you already paste the error that no media found ? |
| 18:24.42 | Danielss89 | valdyn it doesnt seem like its removing all the config's |
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| 18:24.56 | Mordantly_Bright | then after you do thin you might have to restart dhclient if using dhcp. |
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| 18:25.27 | PrimeHex | hey |
| 18:25.49 | PrimeHex | I wasn't able to really find anything on google. How do you use .run files? |
| 18:25.51 | bosko | valdyn - different incident really, I know that's not the issue at end |
| 18:25.55 | curt_ | bosko, if you backup to the partition disks part of the menu and start it you should have a guided partitioning optioin. |
| 18:26.11 | bosko | Ok here |
| 18:26.18 | bosko | I am on the "Debian installer main menu" |
| 18:26.21 | curt_ | s/optioin/option/ |
| 18:26.28 | bosko | I click on "Partition Disks" |
| 18:26.41 | PrimeHex | How do you use .run files? |
| 18:26.43 | bosko | It scans, says No partitionable media were found and gives me the option to go back or continue |
| 18:26.48 | nkuttler | PrimeHex: where did you get that file? |
| 18:26.53 | Danielss89 | abrotman do you remember the command you wrote earlier, that worked? |
| 18:26.56 | bosko | Both options send me back to the main menu |
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| 18:27.12 | valdyn | bosko: so no disks aren't found so you cant install debian using that installer |
| 18:27.21 | curt_ | bosko, i have no idea |
| 18:27.28 | PrimeHex | nkuttler: from ID's ftp server, it's quake 4. I know it's not a virus and such. |
| 18:27.32 | Mordantly_Bright | bosko: how do you feel about trying etch, is their a reasn you want sarge. |
| 18:27.59 | bosko | valdyn - I have another Os on the drive so I know the drive works fine/etc |
| 18:28.16 | nkuttler | PrimeHex: well... it should come with install instructions. try ./file.run |
| 18:28.17 | bosko | Mordantly_Bright- Sarge just seems to be the latest stable release? |
| 18:28.18 | Mordantly_Bright | PrimeHex: if you looking for a fun fps try WARSOW |
| 18:28.30 | PrimeHex | Mordantly_Bright: I want quake 4, gtfo :) |
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| 18:28.34 | valdyn | bosko: no one claimed your drive was not ok, sarge is 2 years old, it CANNOT know about hardware newer than that |
| 18:28.39 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:28.39 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 18:28.45 | valdyn | bosko: ^^ or try etch |
| 18:28.49 | bosko | The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. The last update to this release was made on October 28th, 2006. |
| 18:28.52 | bosko | :p |
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| 18:29.18 | bosko | I will look up etch |
| 18:29.19 | valdyn | bosko: you obviously don't know about debian / stable and the consequences for 'updates' this has, use etch or read what dpkg said |
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| 18:29.48 | PrimeHex | nkuttler: it says command not found |
| 18:30.01 | bosko | Alright, I'll look into etch |
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| 18:30.20 | nkuttler | PrimeHex: ... what's the exact error? |
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| 18:30.43 | bosko | So basically etch is the current "testing" version of debian |
| 18:31.00 | PrimeHex | nkuttler: command not found |
| 18:31.02 | deb_noob | how do i configure the wireless |
| 18:31.49 | Mordantly_Bright | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ just choose your arch, unless you dont have broadband. |
| 18:32.07 | bosko | Ya, I'm there |
| 18:32.14 | Mordantly_Bright | excellent |
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| 18:32.37 | Mordantly_Bright | deb_noob: so did you try what i suggsted. |
| 18:32.56 | Danielss89 | can someone who have been here all day go back to about 10 today and tole me what a nick with aa wrote.. something with purge :D |
| 18:33.23 | Mordantly_Bright | sorry not on that long. |
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| 18:33.44 | nkuttler | PrimeHex: of course you changed "./file.run" to "./whateveryourfileiscalledanditisinthisdirectory.run"? |
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| 18:34.15 | blondie | Danielss89: don't know what your timezone is |
| 18:34.24 | PrimeHex | nkuttler: of course, I've been using linux for about 6 months, I know better, I just have never had to use .run files |
| 18:34.27 | Danielss89 | oh thats right, im +1 |
| 18:34.49 | PrimeHex | blondie: I considered saying that I'm in whatever his was -12, and that I've been here for all day (34 minutes) |
| 18:34.56 | blondie | 2007-01-14 09:36:22 < enyc> Danielss89: else "apt-get --purge remove" all the different mysql packages you have installed |
| 18:35.07 | blondie | :P |
| 18:35.08 | PrimeHex | :P |
| 18:35.14 | Danielss89 | thx blondie |
| 18:35.18 | nkuttler | PrimeHex: well, thing is, the error you told me can not be if you do what i told you |
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| 18:36.20 | PrimeHex | nkuttler: |
| 18:36.22 | PrimeHex | http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1xk7.jpg |
| 18:36.24 | PrimeHex | oops |
| 18:36.26 | PrimeHex | no not that |
| 18:36.29 | PrimeHex | hexy@Fail:~/Desktop$ sudo ./quake4-linux-1.3-2.x86.run |
| 18:36.29 | PrimeHex | sudo: ./quake4-linux-1.3-2.x86.run: command not found |
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| 18:36.32 | PrimeHex | that :) |
| 18:36.36 | valdyn | PrimeHex: 'sh *.run' |
| 18:36.41 | PrimeHex | sh? |
| 18:36.49 | valdyn | PrimeHex: yes, 'sh' |
| 18:36.53 | PrimeHex | Oh snap |
| 18:36.53 | Cyis | sweet... now I just need to copy some more of my MP3 collection over to my SD card from my phone... loving a laptop with built-in SD reader :) |
| 18:37.01 | PrimeHex | valdyn: you're amazing |
| 18:37.02 | PrimeHex | <3 |
| 18:37.07 | Mordantly_Bright | http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ |
| 18:37.13 | PrimeHex | I enjoy that fact that it says "all good" |
| 18:37.14 | PrimeHex | Mordantly_Bright: I have that |
| 18:37.21 | PrimeHex | Mordantly_Bright: you're 2 days behind me :) |
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| 18:37.21 | Mordantly_Bright | Ok |
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| 18:37.46 | theflyingfool | does anyone know of any good distos based off debain because i love the package manager and dont want to install debain |
| 18:37.48 | PrimeHex | the binary path is the CD the stuff is on right? |
| 18:37.52 | PrimeHex | theflyingfool: ubuntu |
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| 18:38.09 | Cyis | PrimeHex: not recommend that hack |
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| 18:38.20 | PrimeHex | Cyis: I've been using it for 6 months, I enjoy it |
| 18:38.31 | blondie | theflyingfool: install debian then, not debain |
| 18:38.31 | theflyingfool | primehex, ive given ubuntu a spin and its not quite what i want |
| 18:38.33 | blondie | whatever that is |
| 18:38.34 | AskHL | Hello, I want to install a minimal Debian on a 386 IBM Thinkpad with 4 MB RAM and 125 MB harddisk. However the only link I can find to a probably-useable floppy disk image is broken. Can someone help? How can this be done? I suppose I just need a bootable install floppy, but I can't find one. |
| 18:38.37 | PrimeHex | valdyn: the binary path is the disk with all the .pk's on it right? |
| 18:38.47 | Cyis | it's a hack... and then users come in here expecting Debian Developers to fix it |
| 18:38.58 | valdyn | PrimeHex: mount point, not disk |
| 18:39.08 | PrimeHex | Cyis: heh, compared to the time I tried gentoo, ubuntu is the most stable thing ever |
| 18:39.10 | abrotman | Danielss89: command for what ? |
| 18:39.17 | PrimeHex | valdyn: so /usr/local/bin is fine then? |
| 18:39.19 | valdyn | PrimeHex: or some random directory in that mount point, i dont know about q4 |
| 18:39.23 | blondie | AskHL: not sure you have enough for any recent version of debian |
| 18:39.24 | azeem | AskHL: the hardware requirements of any recent (less than 5 years) Debian release are too high for that |
| 18:39.26 | Danielss89 | abrotman sorry, it wasnt you :D it was another person, hehe |
| 18:39.35 | valdyn | PrimeHex: whereever you .pkX files are |
| 18:39.36 | Cyis | PrimeHex: tha's because if something is broke Ubunut just hacks around it rather than fix it |
| 18:39.44 | PrimeHex | Cyis: :) |
| 18:39.47 | AskHL | blondie and azeem, thank you for the answer. I'll try Damn Small Linux instead then |
| 18:39.51 | PrimeHex | valdyn: so it'd be the CD? |
| 18:39.56 | abrotman | Danielss89: glad i could help :) |
| 18:39.58 | azeem | AskHL: rather try a dedicated distribution targetted at embedded/low-end systems |
| 18:40.00 | azeem | sounds good |
| 18:40.08 | Danielss89 | hehe |
| 18:40.22 | valdyn | PrimeHex: i really cant know where you store your files, just that /dev/cdrom is not it |
| 18:40.26 | Cyis | I'll take a distro that actually works to fix issues rather than hack around them hands down anyday |
| 18:40.39 | PrimeHex | valdyn: well, the copy of quake four with all the .pk files are on the disk |
| 18:40.58 | AskHL | Actually a friend of mine allegedly uses a very stripped-down Debian for a robot(!), but the details are not clear :). Thanks for the help |
| 18:41.25 | PrimeHex | Cyis: windows hacks around shit all the time, and look at all the users it has :) |
| 18:41.38 | Cyis | PrimeHex: yeah... note I'm running Linux :) |
| 18:41.42 | PrimeHex | :D |
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| 18:42.26 | Azar | yeee!! Open source Quake 2 port emerges <<< in the news |
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| 18:42.49 | craigevil | OpenArena is based on quake 3 |
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| 18:43.23 | lech | anyone here good with sshd? |
| 18:43.29 | Danielss89 | Where is mysql's config files stored? |
| 18:43.29 | Cyis | 2 more DVDs to burn |
| 18:43.52 | blondie | Danielss89: guess. |
| 18:44.05 | Danielss89 | ./var/lib/mysql? |
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| 18:44.11 | blondie | erm no |
| 18:44.12 | nkuttler | lech: just ask your question |
| 18:44.14 | blondie | the usual palce |
| 18:44.15 | Danielss89 | etc/mysql/ |
| 18:44.20 | Cyis | lech: what are you needing help with sshd? just ask the question |
| 18:44.20 | lech | I keep attempting to ssh into my own box, and receive "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 18:44.25 | blondie | Danielss89: yes, why didnt you look? :P |
| 18:45.00 | lech | auth.log is reporting "refused connect from..." |
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| 18:45.08 | Cyis | I can't remember the exact cause for that SEI error but as I recall it's easy to find via a google search |
| 18:45.13 | blondie | lech: sounds like hosts.deny is restricting it |
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| 18:45.37 | lech | sure it's not allow? |
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| 18:45.59 | blondie | hosts.allow doesn't block anything... it allows things you've otherwise blocked :P |
| 18:46.17 | deadcat | can someone tell me why my ps aux is sorted by pid instead of time? |
| 18:46.23 | deadcat | on etch |
| 18:46.24 | blondie | so if it's blocked by hosts.deny, either unblock in there, or block in .allow |
| 18:46.25 | lech | ok, so what would be the proper line to allow something within the scope of the hosts.deny? |
| 18:46.29 | blondie | *unblock |
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| 18:46.38 | blondie | lech: what is there already? |
| 18:46.43 | lech | ALL: ALL |
| 18:47.08 | xingu | deadcat: ps auxOT |
| 18:47.12 | Cyis | lech: ALL:ALL in hosts.deny or hosts.allow? |
| 18:47.20 | lech | in deny, sorry |
| 18:47.23 | blondie | lech: that's blocking everything... you can add an exception in the allow file |
| 18:47.25 | deadcat | xingu: OT? |
| 18:47.34 | xingu | deadcat: see ps(1) |
| 18:47.35 | Danielss89 | lol blondie i just removed the etc/mysql/ and ran apt-get --purge remove mysql-server mysql-client, then i installed them again and it didnt create the new fold, not even var/lib/mysql did it create |
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| 18:47.39 | joeamined | hi |
| 18:47.52 | lech | within the hosts.allow it's vanilla |
| 18:47.55 | lech | ALL : 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 18:47.56 | lech | ALL : 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:48.00 | deadcat | xingu: i dont get the OT part |
| 18:48.13 | blondie | well |
| 18:48.17 | lech | do i just add SSH: ALL? |
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| 18:48.27 | joeamined | where are listed the correspondances between a mime-type and its associated application in debian ? |
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| 18:48.34 | blondie | sshd: not ssh: |
| 18:48.37 | nkuttler | Danielss89: dpkg -i --force-confmiss the relevant package |
| 18:48.41 | quintin | For some reason a short time after I start up a FS becomes read-only that should not be ... what's the problem ?' |
| 18:48.42 | fairway | anyone of you ever migrated to macosx? |
| 18:48.43 | deadcat | lech: man. nobody gonna break into your damn machine... |
| 18:48.45 | blondie | i have sshd: <host list> |
| 18:48.53 | blondie | lech: man hosts.allow |
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| 18:48.59 | Cyis | deadcat: not with it on RFC1918 address space :) |
| 18:49.15 | deadcat | Cyis: no clue what that means. (= |
| 18:49.33 | xingu | deadcat: there's no default sort order for ps; if you don't like what it's doing, specify one; seeing as you're using obsolete bsd syntax, it's probably a good idea to also use their sort options - OT for start time, Ok for usertime ("sort by time" and ps is an imprecise requirement) |
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| 18:49.44 | lech | deadcat: this is a fairly vanilla setup, :P |
| 18:49.46 | Cyis | deadcat: RFC1918 defines private IP space |
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| 18:49.59 | joeamined | what system file lists the mimetypes and their associated applications |
| 18:50.01 | wwallace | devil how the command would be if i want to install everything apt-cache search finds like apt-cache search xmame | what? |
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| 18:50.07 | Danielss89 | nkuttler root@danielss89:~# dpkg -i --force-confmiss mysql-server |
| 18:50.07 | Danielss89 | dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--install): |
| 18:50.07 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.11 | deadcat | xingu: i believe the default order is by time of creation. |
| 18:50.20 | deadcat | Cyis: ah..... |
| 18:50.23 | xingu | deadcat: you believe wrong; it's in the manpage. |
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| 18:50.34 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.38 | Cyis | lech: Not exactly... a plain vanilla setup doesn't have any non-comment lines in either hosts.allow or hosts.deny |
| 18:50.47 | xingu | deadcat: ... where it says "output is unsorted by default." |
| 18:50.50 | deadcat | xingu: well then all the machines i've ran ps -ef are sorted by time |
| 18:50.58 | xingu | ps -ef is sysv syntax |
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| 18:51.08 | joeamined | that's fine everybody is ignoring me |
| 18:51.10 | abrotman | !tell wwallace about repeat |
| 18:51.11 | xingu | don't depend on side effects is a good rule to live by |
| 18:51.12 | deadcat | xingu: but on my etch its sorted by pid |
| 18:51.12 | lech | Cyis, maybe not but this is how the image came :| |
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| 18:51.25 | abrotman | joeamined: /etc/mime.types or somethong like that |
| 18:51.38 | voxio | joeamined: /etc/mime.types |
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| 18:51.40 | xingu | deadcat: in that case carry right on bitching and demand a full refund |
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| 18:52.20 | deadcat | xingu: damn.. |
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| 18:53.04 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:53.28 | Danielss89 | any ideas for what i can do to get mysql to install everything again? |
| 18:53.37 | Cyis | !returns department |
| 18:53.38 | dpkg | i guess returns department is email /dev/null for a full refund of the purchase price |
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| 18:54.24 | abrotman | Danielss89: you mean the conf scripts ? |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | !tell wwallace about repeat |
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| 18:55.09 | Danielss89 | abrotman yeah, everything.. it doesnt work, with apt-get --purge remove mysql-server and then install it again, and ive manually deleted /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql |
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| 18:55.28 | quintin | fs is screwed up |
| 18:55.29 | quintin | crap |
| 18:55.34 | abrotman | Danielss89: dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 18:55.36 | quintin | this is like 60g of music |
| 18:55.37 | abrotman | erm |
| 18:55.39 | abrotman | Danielss89: dpkg -l mysql-server | tail -1 |
| 18:55.41 | abrotman | show me |
| 18:55.52 | Danielss89 | pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
| 18:55.56 | Danielss89 | i just removed.. 2 sec |
| 18:56.07 | abrotman | Danielss89: you have two choices |
| 18:56.10 | abrotman | !tell Danielss89 about confmiss |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | Danielss89: or purge using dpkg and then reinstall |
| 18:56.30 | Danielss89 | abrotman: |
| 18:56.30 | Danielss89 | ii mysql-server 5.0.30-3 mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version) |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | !depends mysql-server etch |
| 18:57.00 | Danielss89 | ? |
| 18:57.05 | dpkg | mysql-server: depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 18:57.06 | dpkg | i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 18:57.20 | abrotman | Danielss89: so use the confmiss magic on mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 18:58.18 | Danielss89 | ahh thanks |
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| 18:58.47 | _JusSx_ | chmod +x quake4 |
| 18:58.57 | stranger_stone | is possibly to install 2 linux dsitribuitions using the same /home/ ? |
| 18:59.07 | _JusSx_ | yeah |
| 18:59.18 | stranger_stone | do you know some good tutorial to do this? |
| 18:59.20 | stranger_stone | :\ |
| 18:59.26 | Danielss89 | hmm abrotman |
| 18:59.27 | Danielss89 | root@danielss89:~# dpkg -i --force-confmiss mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:59.27 | Danielss89 | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--install): |
| 18:59.27 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.35 | Danielss89 | sorry |
| 18:59.35 | _JusSx_ | you don't need a tutorial but a boot manager |
| 18:59.50 | abrotman | Danielss89: you didnt' read the whole factoid |
| 18:59.52 | _JusSx_ | then configure fstab of your linux |
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| 19:00.06 | stranger_stone | so i need to install /home/ |
| 19:00.14 | stranger_stone | and then create the / |
| 19:00.17 | stranger_stone | to one distro and |
| 19:00.26 | stranger_stone | when install the other distro .... |
| 19:00.27 | quintin | I just had a bunch of FS errors on a FS... should I be worried? |
| 19:00.53 | PrimeHex | quintin: I would be more worred if they were non-fs errors on an FS |
| 19:00.53 | PrimeHex | :P |
| 19:00.57 | stranger_stone | i type / in the same that they will came to /home or i need to select every? |
| 19:01.00 | PrimeHex | *a |
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| 19:01.25 | Danielss89 | abrotman how do i set password for root mysql |
| 19:01.38 | PrimeHex | hunter2 |
| 19:01.41 | PrimeHex | i'm out |
| 19:01.46 | Danielss89 | never mind :D |
| 19:01.48 | D0ug | When trying to install libxv1 in my computer I encounter several irritating errors |
| 19:01.52 | abrotman | Danielss89: NFC .. i avoid mysql |
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| 19:02.22 | D0ug | It is on Pastebin.com |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | do we get to know which pastebin it is ? |
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| 19:02.47 | curt_ | hehe |
| 19:02.52 | stranger_stone | i'm thinking install one x86_64 bits distro and other x66 because the 64bits is giving to many problems |
| 19:03.09 | stranger_stone | anyone is using very much because there are no much suport yet i think |
| 19:03.12 | D0ug | pasebin.com |
| 19:03.22 | D0ug | dammit, dosent want to upload |
| 19:03.28 | D0ug | lemme try .ca |
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| 19:03.50 | deadcat | i want to get this output "Temp: 80.50 F" in 1 line of code: i have echo "scale=2; 9 * `awk '{print $3}' /proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal` / 5 + 32" | bc -l : which only get me the 80.50, how can i add the Temp: and the F to it? |
| 19:03.57 | D0ug | is pastebin.ca offline or something? |
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| 19:04.21 | stranger_stone | every using the same /home/ |
| 19:04.58 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:04.58 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:05.01 | abrotman | D0ug: ^^ |
| 19:05.13 | Danielss89 | blondie can you help me again, he wrote something later, on how to upgrade the mysql tables |
| 19:06.02 | D0ug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5080 |
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| 19:07.24 | snowbird | how do u chnge from testing to stable |
| 19:07.31 | snowbird | change sorce to stable? |
| 19:07.46 | D0ug | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:07.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:07.50 | lech | blondie, ok, I think I got it for static IP's simple SSHD: xx.xxx.xx.x works but alternately i can cut a hostmask in there in case of dynamic ip's correct? |
| 19:07.53 | abrotman | snowbird: you can't do it |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | D0ug: you can't |
| 19:08.03 | D0ug | you cannot? |
| 19:08.05 | snowbird | oh ok |
| 19:08.07 | D0ug | Sorry, didn't know |
| 19:08.08 | abrotman | you can't downgrade with apt |
| 19:08.14 | D0ug | ouch |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | !tell D0ug about overwrite |
| 19:08.15 | snowbird | ahh |
| 19:08.26 | xingu | deadcat: echo "Temp: `awk '{ print "scale=2; 9 * " $3 }' </proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal | bc -l` F" |
| 19:08.49 | snowbird | like when etch becomes stable y down grade |
| 19:09.04 | abrotman | snowbird: change your sources to etch .. and just keep tracking that instead of testing .. when etch is released .. you'll be on stable |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | snowbird: and STOP SAYING 'U' |
| 19:09.29 | snowbird | i did say you did i opps |
| 19:09.40 | abrotman | no .. you did .. read above |
| 19:09.42 | snowbird | sory il catcj\h my self |
| 19:09.57 | deadcat | xingu: thanks.. the guys in bash gave me the same thing (= |
| 19:10.11 | deadcat | xingu: echo "Temp : $(echo "scale=2; 9 * `awk '{print $3}' /proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal` / 5 + 32" | bc -l) F" |
| 19:10.30 | snowbird | cool so il get stable that way cool |
| 19:10.41 | snowbird | i shure like etch |
| 19:11.29 | D0ug | WOOT! |
| 19:11.33 | D0ug | IT WORKED |
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| 19:11.40 | D0ug | THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH! |
| 19:11.48 | abrotman | easy on the caps |
| 19:11.49 | snowbird | thaks abortman works calling |
| 19:11.55 | D0ug | Sorry |
| 19:11.57 | Azar | I gotta make my grandpa learn linux debian, is said that helps him fend the alhzeimer.. |
| 19:12.18 | Danielss89 | Now i got mysql to work, and i copied everything from my backup folder backup/var/lib/mysql to var/lib/mysql.. except the mysqld.sock, and i ran this: mysqlcheck -p --check-upgrade --all-databases --auto-repair... But all the databases and tables are still missing |
| 19:12.28 | stranger_stone | _JusSx_ is to many hard to do it ? |
| 19:12.29 | snowbird | i tought my mom to use debian grandpa cant be harder |
| 19:12.48 | _JusSx_ | stranger_stone: no it isn't |
| 19:12.55 | Azar | yep... good thing he does not know about windows :) so it will go easy |
| 19:13.08 | _JusSx_ | you need 2 partitions one for each / |
| 19:13.22 | _JusSx_ | and and partition for /home |
| 19:13.49 | abrotman | Danielss89: uhm .. i don't think you can do it that way .. ask #mysql |
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| 19:15.10 | stranger_stone | _JusSx_ :\ and i thinking i spent the day ... install and compiling the software to my debian 64 bits :| amd x2 processor :( but like the suport adnd 64 bits are giving a litletrouble :| probably is bether i make this and install to |
| 19:15.14 | stranger_stone | :x |
| 19:15.21 | stranger_stone | ok thanks i think i will try it |
| 19:15.30 | D0ug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5081 |
| 19:15.36 | D0ug | Riddle me this: wtf is that |
| 19:16.05 | D0ug | could somone help me with my newfound errors? |
| 19:16.29 | abrotman | D0ug: wtf did you do to your box ? |
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| 19:16.39 | xingu | abrotman: broke libpaper1 by the looks |
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| 19:16.50 | D0ug | good question |
| 19:16.55 | abrotman | xingu: i think he's been mixing :) |
| 19:16.59 | D0ug | I didn't break anything... |
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| 19:17.16 | D0ug | Does that include smirnoff? |
| 19:17.25 | D0ug | (Guess what I have on my mind) |
| 19:17.31 | xingu | cleaning your loo? |
| 19:17.38 | D0ug | Sooo... am I farked beyond repair? |
| 19:17.45 | abrotman | no ... |
| 19:17.51 | D0ug | good! |
| 19:17.58 | abrotman | !info libpaper1 etch |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | libpaper1: (Library for handling paper characteristics), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.21 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 19:18.13 | D0ug | abrotman, i am using sarge |
| 19:18.14 | abrotman | D0ug: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere |
| 19:18.22 | xingu | you want a decent vodka, give reyka a shot |
| 19:18.31 | D0ug | kk |
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| 19:19.20 | D0ug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5082 |
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| 19:19.51 | D0ug | Am I using a bad server? |
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| 19:22.18 | abrotman | D0ug: why do you have testing sources in there ? |
| 19:22.45 | D0ug | Its commented out... is it not? |
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| 19:24.14 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to get my scanner work with sane : i have an epson perfection 1670, and i have already installed the firmware and configured snapscan.conf... i can run sane in root mode, but in user mode sane doesn't find the scanner... |
| 19:24.17 | abrotman | it doens't matter .. you should *never* mix versions of debian |
| 19:24.37 | D0ug | I havent ever |
| 19:24.44 | D0ug | I never used them |
| 19:25.05 | D0ug | The only being mixed is the security and the stable |
| 19:25.57 | peasse | is it a user right issue with /proc/bus/usb or something? |
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| 19:26.47 | abrotman | D0ug: someone put those testing lines in there |
| 19:26.53 | abrotman | D0ug: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:26.57 | D0ug | noone did |
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| 19:27.32 | D0ug | It dosent matter |
| 19:27.42 | abrotman | someone put those testing lines in there |
| 19:27.47 | D0ug | abrotman, long story but noone *put* them there |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | god only knows what bits of etch you have |
| 19:27.50 | boguh | hi, i have the problem that my sound is running to fast, mp3s and so on are played too fast |
| 19:27.58 | abrotman | yes .. the file doesn't get installed like that |
| 19:28.00 | D0ug | I dont have any bits of etch |
| 19:28.15 | D0ug | abrotman, dosent matter, they were NEVER used |
| 19:28.44 | D0ug | I only put them there so I could use them to look over the repositories with Synaptic |
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| 19:28.54 | abrotman | uhm.. |
| 19:29.35 | D0ug | I never installed anything, just did some searches |
| 19:29.56 | abrotman | try to install the broken package again |
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| 19:30.11 | xingu | more particularly, try and install libpaper1 |
| 19:30.51 | D0ug | kk |
| 19:31.01 | blondie | lech: yes you can do that |
| 19:31.03 | D0ug | I'll try with aptitude instead of synaptic |
| 19:31.51 | blondie | lech: like, .somedomain.com |
| 19:31.59 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to get my scanner work with sane : i have an epson perfection 1670, and i have already installed the firmware and configured snapscan.conf... i can run sane in root mode, but in user mode sane doesn't find the scanner... |
| 19:32.06 | blondie | lech: or 123.456.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | peasse: there's a group for that IIRC |
| 19:32.29 | peasse | ah |
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| 19:32.39 | abrotman | peasse: grep scan /etc/group .. anything pop out ? |
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| 19:33.03 | xingu | blondie, lech: relevant page is hosts_access(5) - also these days libwrap groks cidr form, 123.456.0.0/16 |
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| 19:33.39 | abrotman | peasse: ? |
| 19:33.40 | peasse | abrotman : grep scan /etc/group -> scanner:x:107:peasse |
| 19:33.40 | abrotman | D0ug: same error ? |
| 19:33.50 | xingu | blondie, lech: don't forget that recent debian autoconfigures link scope ipv6 addresses when futzing with this sort of thing. |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | peasse: have oyu logged out/in since you installed the scanner ? |
| 19:34.03 | peasse | no |
| 19:34.04 | D0ug | Lemme uninstall all of the *broken* packages, then reinstall them, please |
| 19:34.07 | blondie | xingu: don't need to tell me... and man hosts.allow is the page |
| 19:34.10 | peasse | should i ... |
| 19:34.12 | abrotman | D0ug: no need |
| 19:34.17 | abrotman | D0ug: dpkg --configure -a |
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| 19:35.59 | peasse | login/logout ! ;) brb |
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| 19:37.01 | bigz | anyone around able to help ? |
| 19:37.11 | Azar | ask |
| 19:37.12 | chuckfromchan | hi, i've got a question about NPTL |
| 19:37.16 | streuner | !tell bigz about ask |
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| 19:37.24 | chuckfromchan | how do I get NPTL? |
| 19:37.24 | Azar | ask your questions honorables |
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| 19:37.54 | abrotman | libc6-i686 |
| 19:38.07 | chuckfromchan | apt-get install libc6-i686 ? |
| 19:38.19 | bigz | ok well im runnin debian 3.1 and i just reinstalled the server last night but im still getting the same problem of the server changing to read-only file system any easy way to solve this ? |
| 19:38.26 | thelostbutler | hello folks, does any one know if i can find ipsutils in deb format somewhere. it makes ibm exp300 i have been searchin for a while |
| 19:38.48 | xingu | hey, cool; /lib/libc.so.6 is executable. :) |
| 19:38.52 | jello | !test |
| 19:38.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:38.57 | abrotman | xingu: been for a while |
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| 19:39.09 | honschu | I have a old dvd with some files on, but when I try to read them, I sometimes get input/output error. Is the dvd dead or can I try to use dd or some sort of "recovery"? |
| 19:39.17 | Azar | thelostbutler: did you check the debian packages site? |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | bigz: have you checked the filesystems ? |
| 19:39.22 | xingu | abrotman: I notice that ldd is a shellscript now too |
| 19:39.36 | peasse | i just came back to say to abortman : THANK YOU |
| 19:39.41 | chuckfromchan | i tried useing apt-get install libc6-i686 and it installed, but when i try to install Zimbra collaboration suite, it still says that NPTL is missing |
| 19:39.42 | bigz | no i haven't |
| 19:39.43 | abrotman | peasse: enjoy |
| 19:39.46 | peasse | i had to reboot indeed |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | peasse: you didn't have to reboot .. just logout/login |
| 19:40.30 | chuckfromchan | does anyone know how to install NPTL so that Zimbra will accept it as installed? |
| 19:40.36 | valdyn | chuckfromchan: uname -r |
| 19:40.36 | thelostbutler | azar: yes i did |
| 19:40.38 | Azar | thelostbutler: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages < if the package you look for is not on your debian version, but upper one, use backports |
| 19:40.40 | peasse | k |
| 19:40.53 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: you have to reboot after you install that for it to take efffect IIRC |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | !ntpl |
| 19:40.55 | dpkg | it has been said that ntpl is the Native Posix Thread Library |
| 19:40.57 | chuckfromchan | 2.4.27-3-386? |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | dpkg: you're useless |
| 19:41.06 | bigz | hwo would i check the file systems and would i need to be looking for anything in particular ? |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: and proably a 2.6 wouldn't hurt |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: what's your CPU ? |
| 19:41.17 | valdyn | chuckfromchan: i though 2.4 kernel's don't even support nptl |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck |
| 19:41.32 | valdyn | chuckfromchan: 2.4 kernels don't support nptl |
| 19:41.32 | chuckfromchan | how would i install a newer kernel? |
| 19:41.34 | abrotman | or <filesystem>/forcefsck |
| 19:41.38 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: what's yoru CPU ? |
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| 19:41.45 | chuckfromchan | i dunno it's not my server |
| 19:41.52 | chuckfromchan | i'm just trying to setup Zimbra for someone |
| 19:41.57 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 19:42.02 | peasse | maybe a tactless question to abrotman : for how many years do you practice linux? |
| 19:42.03 | valdyn | chuckfromchan: maybe installing libpthread20 fixes this, no idea |
| 19:42.05 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: and /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | peasse: uhm .. a while :) |
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| 19:42.19 | abrotman | peasse: since the late 90s |
| 19:42.21 | bigz | oh wait i got to reboot it first ? |
| 19:42.22 | peasse | ah! lucky guy |
| 19:42.28 | chuckfromchan | abrotman: join #flood |
| 19:42.36 | peasse | wow, since the begining uh? |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | not even close ... |
| 19:42.46 | peasse | cool |
| 19:42.48 | abrotman | beginning was .. 92 IIRC |
| 19:42.52 | bigz | touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | does libc6-i686 work on a k7 ? |
| 19:43.09 | peasse | wich distro was your first ? |
| 19:43.15 | dexemna | So I have a CRT plugged into my video card running at 1600x1200x32 at 85Hz, and when I unplug it and plug in a projector it's able to output at that resolution without resyncing (changing video modes). However, when I try to configure the projector independantly on the same port on my video card, X11 won't let me set it to 1600x1200, only 12080x1024 max even though I know it's physically capable of outputting at 1600x1200 |
| 19:43.21 | valdyn | bigz: just check it already, no reboot required, since its read-only |
| 19:43.32 | abrotman | peasse: tried RH .. didn't install .. debian worked .. that was that .. |
| 19:43.33 | dexemna | I even tried making 1600x1200_85 the only available mode for the projector in my xorg.conf |
| 19:44.02 | peasse | lol, so i'll keep debian for a certain time i think |
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| 19:44.14 | aidehua | Can I take filesystem snapshots of ext2/ext3 without having to also use LVM? |
| 19:44.14 | chuckfromchan | on the redhat server, will this version work with nptl? 2.6.9-34.EL |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | we don't know .. ask #redhat |
| 19:44.42 | abrotman | chuckfromchan: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 libc6-i686 ... hopefully they can coexist |
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| 19:44.55 | valdyn | they can |
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| 19:45.10 | xingu | do you actually need -i686 for nptl? the amd64 regular libc is nptl |
| 19:45.22 | valdyn | xingu: no |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | then correct me damn it! |
| 19:45.49 | valdyn | abrotman: i think he just needs a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:45.49 | abrotman | i thought regular libc6 didn't do it |
| 19:45.50 | xingu | I don't have a 32bit userland any more |
| 19:45.52 | xingu | :) |
| 19:45.53 | Azar | !correct abrotman |
| 19:45.55 | Decepticon | whats the man page for learning bout samba shares |
| 19:45.59 | Decepticon | setting samba shares |
| 19:46.04 | blondie | Decepticon: what do you think? |
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| 19:46.09 | Decepticon | its not man samba |
| 19:46.10 | xingu | he definitively needs a 2.6 kernel if he doesn't have one |
| 19:46.11 | Decepticon | thats some random shit |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | Decepticon: try samba.org or #samba |
| 19:46.43 | blondie | it's man smb.conf anyway |
| 19:46.50 | valdyn | not being able to use nptl with a 486 cpu would be to weird to be true.. |
| 19:46.57 | js_ | when installing cacti and backuppc, apt wants to install both apache 1.3 and apache2, is there some way i can make them choose the same package? |
| 19:47.01 | js_ | apache 1.3 |
| 19:47.07 | Decepticon | thanks blondie |
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| 19:47.58 | stranger_stone | i don`t what code they are using in the portugueses sports newspapers but are making me crash the firefox in 64 bits lol |
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| 19:48.23 | xingu | valdyn: minimum is 486 so I read |
| 19:48.29 | xingu | valdyn: for ia32 arch anyway |
| 19:48.34 | slept | how do the .pid files in /var/run created ? |
| 19:48.43 | valdyn | xingu: to even use debian that's the minimum too |
| 19:48.48 | larsl | Hello, what is the recommended tool to quickly build DEB packages from source tarballs? On Mandriva I would use 'checkinstall' to build RPMs. |
| 19:48.49 | slept | ahm get created |
| 19:49.03 | connect1 | ok, im can someone please advise me on the pro's con's of debian vs ubuntu? |
| 19:49.10 | connect1 | im coming from fedora RHEL |
| 19:49.13 | blondie | it's better |
| 19:49.31 | Azar | connect1: dependency on gui/icons/desktop stuff |
| 19:49.31 | blondie | !why debian |
| 19:49.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:49.40 | abrotman | connect1: you get to ask us lots of questions if you use debian .. if not .. you get to ask #ubuntu |
| 19:49.47 | connect1 | hahah |
| 19:49.48 | valdyn | larsl: checkinstall works on debian too, 'apt-get install checkinstall' |
| 19:49.51 | Azar | abrotman: hahaha |
| 19:49.59 | connect1 | has anyone here used asterisk with debian? |
| 19:50.04 | xingu | abrotman: is that a pro or a con and for which? :) |
| 19:50.18 | abrotman | xingu: pro for us .. con for the other |
| 19:50.23 | abrotman | xingu: have you ever been in there? |
| 19:50.28 | connect1 | nope |
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| 19:50.37 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 19:50.37 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:50.39 | abrotman | connect1: lots of people use it |
| 19:50.40 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 19:50.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:50.54 | larsl | valdyn: What repository is that in? I have Etch main, contrib and non-free and it's not found in any of them. |
| 19:50.55 | slept | the pid numbers (at least for gnump3d) seem to be wrong or at least ps gives me other ids than the pid files do , which causes the start stop script not to work proper |
| 19:51.00 | bigz | what is touch /forcefsck supposed to do ? |
| 19:51.04 | Azar | hmm tarzeau is on vacation? he used to put the popcon here |
| 19:51.09 | connect1 | well i believe more people who use asteriks put it on centos/fedora |
| 19:51.12 | larsl | ...forcefsck? |
| 19:51.12 | valdyn | !info checkinstall sid |
| 19:51.14 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 19:51.15 | valdyn | !info checkinstall etch |
| 19:51.21 | connect1 | and i want to guage howmany people can help me with debian |
| 19:51.25 | valdyn | !why is checkinstall not in testing |
| 19:51.25 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
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| 19:51.35 | valdyn | larsl: feel free to try the sid package |
| 19:51.39 | abrotman | connect1: okay .. still people use asterisk with debian |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | bigz: on reboot .. it will force a filesystem check |
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| 19:52.01 | larsl | valdyn: OK, thanks. |
| 19:52.07 | connect1 | ok, im going to put debian on vmware now then. is there any pre-configured build packages where i can get a pretty slimmed down debian version/installer? where i don't have to choose packages in the beginning |
| 19:52.08 | abrotman | connect1: /list #debian .. about that many |
| 19:52.14 | connect1 | lol |
| 19:52.15 | abrotman | !d-i connect1 |
| 19:52.15 | dpkg | connect1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:52.28 | valdyn | connect1: that's the default |
| 19:52.40 | Azar | connect1: you can only do a base-install.. minimal |
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| 19:53.11 | abrotman | Azar: that's a bit misleading |
| 19:53.12 | connect1 | so i can walk someone through and tel them to just hit ok/yes/enter most of the way and the devault config will be pretty raw? |
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| 19:53.16 | bigz | abrotman: so i gotta reboot now i done that ? |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | bigz: that's the idea |
| 19:53.24 | abrotman | connect1: yes |
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| 19:53.28 | abrotman | connect1: just don't use tasksel |
| 19:53.31 | connect1 | wow thanks, you guys are really helpful |
| 19:53.33 | Azar | abrotman: then I mis-read his question |
| 19:53.41 | connect1 | ok, i'll avoidt hat when i see it |
| 19:53.51 | valdyn | connect1: installnig more than the default requires the user to pick options, default is slim |
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| 19:54.17 | connect1 | i like that |
| 19:54.31 | yang | which tool is used for creating proxy for website ? |
| 19:54.40 | valdyn | yang: squid |
| 19:54.43 | yang | ok |
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| 19:55.00 | D0ug | no such joy in mudville |
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| 19:55.18 | connect1 | is the businesscard image too basic/small to run something like asterisk? |
| 19:55.31 | connect1 | i'll just go with cd 1 from the full cd set |
| 19:55.33 | valdyn | connect1: yes, it already downloads stuff during install |
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| 19:56.09 | abrotman | connect1: honestly .. i'd use the netinst |
| 19:56.14 | connect1 | oh ok |
| 19:56.16 | connect1 | gracias |
| 19:56.24 | Azar | smooches |
| 19:56.27 | valdyn | connect1: if you won't have network access, cd1 , else netinstall |
| 19:56.34 | dexemna | connect1: I'd recommend the netinst as well as long as your machine has broadband or a dedicated leased Internet connection |
| 19:56.45 | connect1 | right, i figured that was the prerequissite |
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| 19:57.00 | abrotman | Azar: will you make more liquid war maps ? |
| 19:57.10 | Azar | :) |
| 19:57.37 | connect1 | know what, im gonna try the bus card image |
| 19:57.55 | ben1756 | azar: are you the creator of liquid war? |
| 19:58.05 | Azar | ben1756: oh my god no! |
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| 19:58.18 | Azar | abrotman was just using a figure of speech |
| 19:58.22 | abrotman | no .. but i'd like it if he made more maps :) |
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| 19:58.40 | D0ug | I have more errors! |
| 19:58.47 | D0ug | I'll pastebin it in a sec |
| 19:58.48 | Azar | the more the better |
| 19:58.49 | ben1756 | azar: I see. |
| 19:58.50 | purestorm | Hi. What is the control.in file in a debian src package for? |
| 19:58.55 | ben1756 | it's still a great game |
| 19:59.28 | CyberGabber | How can i get linux kernel-headers for an program-installation see my situation at http://paste-it.net/947 |
| 19:59.38 | Azar | hmm I did not even knew about that game, I forgot to ask abrotman about more games.. |
| 19:59.56 | D0ug | omg, more than aterm will extend backwards |
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| 20:00.05 | abrotman | Azar: you don't want to know about more ... |
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| 20:00.27 | abrotman | CyberGabber: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:00.29 | Azar | yep stick to the basics.. |
| 20:00.42 | abrotman | CyberGabber: run apt-get update first |
| 20:01.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I mount ISOs again? It was something like this, but I don't remember exactly... mount -o loop iso9660 file.iso dir/ |
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| 20:01.34 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: mount -o loop file.iso dir |
| 20:01.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: Thanks |
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| 20:02.25 | CyberGabber | abrotman: i try.... |
| 20:02.29 | GunZ | hey guys, can you tell me when debian 4.0 will be released? |
| 20:02.38 | xingu | !wir |
| 20:02.38 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:03.12 | abrotman | GunZ: just as soon as it's done .. no sooner ... |
| 20:03.12 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 20:03.20 | Jeriko- | hi |
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| 20:03.40 | Jeriko- | which package do I need in order to shutdown or restart my system from within xfce? I thought it was gksu... |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | do you use gdm to login ? |
| 20:04.32 | Jeriko- | yes |
| 20:04.46 | abrotman | in GDM ..there's a setting to allow you to shutdown from that |
| 20:05.19 | bigz | abrotman: it wnt boot now |
| 20:05.34 | abrotman | bigz: it's just taking a while |
| 20:05.40 | abrotman | bigz: or it's waiting for you to help it |
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| 20:06.02 | bigz | i cnt get access to it until its on |
| 20:06.06 | Azar | hmmm nice looking game, is version 6 ready? |
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| 20:06.24 | blondie | what game? |
| 20:06.31 | Azar | liquid war.. |
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| 20:06.50 | Jeriko- | abrotman I know, but it's rather uncomfortable to log out from xfce and then shutdown the system... |
| 20:07.08 | abrotman | bigz: did you neglect to tell me it was a remote server ? |
| 20:07.19 | abrotman | Jeriko-: you can also use shutdown.allow maybe ? |
| 20:08.02 | bigz | i thought u knew from what i said because most people realise unless i say its a home server |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | anyways .. you have no way to access it ? |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | or get someone else to access it ? |
| 20:08.44 | bigz | only to a control panel to reset it etc |
| 20:08.46 | Azar | it looks like packages for version 6 were made available on the last day of 2006 |
| 20:09.02 | abrotman | bigz: meaning ? |
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| 20:09.24 | bigz | i only got access to restart the system |
| 20:09.27 | larsl | !info gtkmm sid |
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| 20:11.06 | valdyn | larsl: apt-cache search gtkmm |
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| 20:11.08 | h3sp4wn | !info libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a sid |
| 20:11.12 | dpkg | libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a: (C++ wrappers for GTK+ 2.4 (shared libraries)), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:2.8.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 917 kB, Installed size: 3428 kB |
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| 20:11.43 | larsl | Does anyone know the reason why gtkmm 2.10 hasn't been packaged yet? |
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| 20:12.52 | abrotman | probably freeze related |
| 20:12.56 | valdyn | larsl: why do you think it has not? |
| 20:13.18 | larsl | valdyn: Because the latest gtkmm packages are 2.8.8. |
| 20:13.26 | abrotman | what's in experimental ? |
| 20:13.31 | bigz | abrotman: so what would i do now then ? |
| 20:14.31 | abrotman | bigz: restarting it does nothing ? |
| 20:14.32 | Azar | no no no nooooooo why the cool games are allways in unstable? this game goes back to 1998 ... baaa bohoooo! |
| 20:14.32 | bigz | i'll try again... |
| 20:14.32 | abrotman | Azar: i have it on etch |
| 20:14.32 | ryoshu | i use conky and kde. and this conky is erasing all icons from my desktop, help |
| 20:14.32 | valdyn | larsl: you're right, that is because etch will ship with it, putting newer stuff in sid makes no sense right now |
| 20:14.32 | Azar | ah? :) thanks abrotman |
| 20:14.36 | abrotman | valdyn: in exp ? |
| 20:14.48 | valdyn | abrotman: sure it could be there, but isnt |
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| 20:15.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:15.17 | ben1756 | I'm having a very strange problem with a local server machine. I was forced to do a reinstall on the machine about four days ago and have been having some strange problems with hardware detection. |
| 20:15.19 | P_Kable | dites les gars ca marche chez vous l'effet d'eau pour beryl ? |
| 20:15.21 | P_Kable | moi non |
| 20:15.24 | valdyn | abrotman: gtk 2.10 is there though |
| 20:15.32 | abrotman | so it's part there |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:15.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:16.14 | ben1756 | I'd appreciate any input that anyone can offer. The problem is kernel-related, but I've had trouble nailing down exactly what is wrong. |
| 20:16.41 | abrotman | we'd need more info |
| 20:16.49 | ben1756 | If anyone will have a go. I can fill in on what I've done and what I've discovered |
| 20:17.05 | valdyn | ben1756: paste this stuff somewhere for everyone to read |
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| 20:17.48 | eitan | Hello all. |
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| 20:18.10 | ben1756 | valdyn: I don't have any specific output to share; I can just repeat my attempts at troubleshooting |
| 20:18.23 | ravigehlot | Hey what is a good tool to allocate space from one partition over to the another one without the need of rebooting the machine? |
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| 20:18.48 | shwag | im trying to get a .deb uninstalled. |
| 20:18.49 | valdyn | ben1756: dont 'repeat' here, paste your issues, your commands and outputs, error messages etc |
| 20:18.56 | eitan | I have a newbie debian security setup concerns and questions. Can someone help with that here? |
| 20:19.12 | valdyn | ben1756: im not saying i can help, but there's no chance anyone can when we cannot see information |
| 20:19.16 | mfrisch | shwag: dpkg -P package name |
| 20:19.16 | shwag | I cant uninstall the package because its complaining about dependencies. |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | !ask |
| 20:19.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:19.27 | ben1756 | valdyn: sure |
| 20:19.28 | abrotman | shwag: man apt-get |
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| 20:19.41 | stoned | eitan, you're ina support channel asking if you will get support.. Can you see what I'm saying here... |
| 20:20.04 | eitan | stoned: I just ask as a point of being polite. |
| 20:20.07 | mfrisch | shwag: aptitude remove package name |
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| 20:20.11 | valdyn | shwag: so why are you still trying to remove it? |
| 20:20.12 | blondie | eitan: it's not polite, it's annoying |
| 20:20.20 | shwag | abrotman: apt-get wont overwrite the package. the package I installed I downloaded and used dpkg -i |
| 20:20.24 | gcbirzan | stoned: That he's not going to get support? |
| 20:20.27 | eitan | blondie: you're annoyed far too easily. |
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| 20:20.32 | shwag | valdyn: its a i810 driver thats no good. i need to go back to the orig |
| 20:20.33 | stoned | eitan, quite the contrary. lets discuss business eh... what your problem |
| 20:20.34 | blondie | !ask |
| 20:20.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | shwag: and ? |
| 20:20.53 | blondie | eitan: why don't you ask if you can ask if you can ask... |
| 20:20.59 | valdyn | shwag: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 20:21.00 | shwag | abrotman: i tried all the man options for dpkg and apt-get and neither is seeming to work. |
| 20:21.07 | abrotman | shwag: what's the package ? |
| 20:21.13 | ben1756 | The machine is an old PIII Tyan board that serves as a storage server. It's got a 3ware raid card in it that serves about 1T. First: am I right in thinking that I should be running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:21.16 | valdyn | shwag: you realise that you can install remove 'dependencies' later |
| 20:21.22 | shwag | xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 20:21.27 | valdyn | shwag: so remove that |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
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| 20:21.48 | aardvarq | eitan: You're absolutely right though. Everybody on IRC gets annoyed far too easily. And everybody hates it when people ask-to-ask. When in Rome... |
| 20:21.59 | shwag | valdyn: if I do that it wants to uninstall my entire gnome. |
| 20:22.08 | abrotman | shwag: paste the output |
| 20:22.08 | linux_user400354 | how can i see what type of partitions i have on my hard drive such as primary, extended, logical, etc. I have fdisk, cfdisk, and GParted, but I dont see the information about primary, logical, etc for each partition that i have? |
| 20:22.09 | eitan | I'm trying to make my debian installation as secure as is practical. I have been looking at the security faq's and docs, and honestly... it's overwhelming to me and I can't seem to figure out a simple set of steps to get my desktop secure. |
| 20:22.12 | valdyn | shwag: i doubt that |
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| 20:22.17 | eitan | aardvarq: I agree. |
| 20:22.19 | ben1756 | The machine formerly had etch installed on it running with a modified 2.6 kernel. |
| 20:22.28 | stoned | linux_user400354, fdisk -l ? |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | eitan: start with simple things .. work your way up |
| 20:22.34 | shwag | valdyn: and my entire xorg. |
| 20:22.37 | eitan | Does anyone have a simple and short set of suggestions to securing my debian installation? |
| 20:22.41 | abrotman | shwag: Paste the output |
| 20:22.44 | pumpkin0 | shwag: put the command and output into a pastebin. |
| 20:22.46 | valdyn | shwag: nonsense, the reason for that is something else |
| 20:22.50 | eitan | abrotman: right... well I'd like to do that. |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | i bet they're metapackages |
| 20:22.57 | eitan | Ok... here's what I have so far... |
| 20:23.00 | abrotman | eitan: so tart :) |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | start |
| 20:23.13 | shwag | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:23.13 | shwag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.14 | valdyn | shwag: just because apt-get wants to remove something there's no reason to think that that is the removal of xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 20:23.17 | eitan | Do I need to make any changes to etc/hosts.deny? |
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| 20:23.28 | abrotman | shwag: those are metapackages |
| 20:23.32 | ben1756 | After the OS drive died, I tried reinstalling and discovered that a debian 2.6 kernel would hardly detect anything. |
| 20:23.35 | abrotman | shwag: why are you removing tha tdriver ? |
| 20:23.36 | stoned | is this correct? primary partitions are from 1-4, but if you have 1 primary and anothe extended it would now look like hda1 and hda5? |
| 20:23.40 | blondie | eitan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 20:23.44 | valdyn | shwag: go ahead do it, no harm done AT ALL |
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| 20:23.56 | ben1756 | (lspci had no output-- no matter the switches) |
| 20:23.58 | shwag | abrotman: so that I can reinstall it. |
| 20:24.09 | stoned | well not 5 |
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| 20:24.12 | abrotman | shwag: man apt-get .. there's an optin for reinstall |
| 20:24.14 | stoned | wait I dunno what I'm asking |
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| 20:24.18 | valdyn | abrotman: i think he reall means downgrade |
| 20:24.30 | abrotman | he said reinstall! |
| 20:24.31 | shwag | valdyn: looks good |
| 20:24.37 | abrotman | i can only work with what you tell me! |
| 20:24.38 | valdyn | shwag: if you dont mean downgrade.. look at what abrotman said |
| 20:24.39 | mfrisch | stoned: thats a given with your nick' |
| 20:24.58 | stoned | mfrisch, how? explain? |
| 20:25.06 | eitan | blondie: I just got through saying that I went through that website... and it's too involved and too complicated for me to follow and implement. THat's why I'm here to ask if there is any method of increasing security that shorter, simpler, and more straighforward or automated? |
| 20:25.29 | CyberGabber | abrotman: Everything compliled, but also an error..be back after reboot |
| 20:25.29 | shwag | abrotman: apt-get fails since apt-get didnt install the package. i downloaded and used dpkg, it was suppose to be a newer version, but it failed. |
| 20:25.29 | mfrisch | stoned: no reason |
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| 20:25.29 | valdyn | eitan: just do nothing, debian is fairly secure by default |
| 20:25.31 | shwag | restarting x. be back. |
| 20:25.41 | pumpkin0 | eitan: get a NAT between your PC and the rest of the world. |
| 20:25.44 | connect1 | oh man i forgot |
| 20:25.47 | ben1756 | the first installation was a sarge netinstall that I ran a dist-upgrade on (to etch) once everything was up. installing the 2.6 kernel revealed the problem that I've been having. |
| 20:25.51 | connect1 | debian doesnt come with an ssh server by default |
| 20:25.56 | eitan | pumpkin0: what's a nat? |
| 20:26.01 | valdyn | eitan: or - if you don't know what you're doing anyway, chances are your system will become unusuable or less secure |
| 20:26.05 | abrotman | shwag: something else is wrong |
| 20:26.09 | stoned | mfrisch, reason is ascociated with the 'why', not the 'how' |
| 20:26.11 | mfrisch | connect1: openssh-server |
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| 20:26.22 | connect1 | apt-get openssh-server? |
| 20:26.36 | abrotman | install ... |
| 20:26.46 | eitan | valdyn: I'm not an idiot or an expert... I'm somewhere in between and I'm willing to take reasonable steps to increase the security on my default installation. |
| 20:26.47 | blondie | eitan: depends on your setup and what you want to do. |
| 20:26.48 | shwag | dpkg -l | grep i810; shows the correct version now after I did another apt-get install on all those packages that were removed. |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep i810; shows the correct version now after I did another apt-get install on all those packages that were removed. |
| 20:26.51 | pumpkin0 | eitan: a networking trick to connect more then 1 PC t the internet over a single line. usually built into routers (cable router or DSL routers) |
| 20:26.53 | shwag | brb |
| 20:26.57 | connect1 | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 20:27.09 | connect1 | no worky |
| 20:27.20 | ben1756 | I tried make-kpkg on a vanilla kernel, but the compile died with an 'unreproducible error'. I dismissed that (thinking|hoping) that it was trouble stemming from the upgrade. |
| 20:27.21 | eitan | pumpkin0: I have a dsl/router/firewall to connect to the internet... that's up and running. |
| 20:27.27 | valdyn | eitan: don't install servers that you don't need, there's not much reason to do more than that.. |
| 20:27.44 | blondie | eitan: well that should provide considerable protection |
| 20:27.50 | eitan | valdyn: ok... how do I check what servers are installed if any? |
| 20:27.56 | connect1 | got it |
| 20:27.56 | valdyn | eitan: netstat -plunt |
| 20:28.00 | larsl | What size partitions do you people have for everything except /home? I used the default 7 GB suggested by the installer, and it's already 62% full after two days of installing devel packages and other stuff I need. |
| 20:28.02 | valdyn | eitan: run that ^^^ |
| 20:28.02 | eitan | hold... |
| 20:28.08 | blondie | eitan: unless you have ports forwarded using your router, you won't have anything open to the internet |
| 20:28.10 | valdyn | eitan: as root |
| 20:28.19 | stoned | if you are really paranoid you'd download sources, modify them to take out the names/versions and recoompile/install |
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| 20:28.24 | connect1 | sweeet |
| 20:28.27 | mfrisch | stoned: I'm half paying attention, but it would be hda1 hda2 wich is the extended partion wich is then hda5 |
| 20:28.36 | pumpkin0 | eitan: good, so you have a NAT running. Did you update your system recently (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ?). Do not worry a lot about servers, the NAT will take care of most. |
| 20:28.38 | mfrisch | which |
| 20:28.47 | stoned | mfrisch, well I couldn't remember if it was a windows only thing |
| 20:28.52 | bigz | abrotman: no worky |
| 20:29.05 | stoned | because fdisk in windows reports it like that (with the numbers) |
| 20:29.17 | ben1756 | I tried installing from the two etch netinstall discs (the release candidate and nightly build). Both would not detect the requisite network devices, so no luck there. |
| 20:29.26 | eitan | !pastebin |
| 20:29.26 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 20:29.33 | stoned | but I can't really recall about linux because I've not had more than 4 pimary paritions required |
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| 20:29.58 | stoned | primary partition would be hda2, inside which extended hda5 resides? no? |
| 20:30.13 | shwag | ok, im back to normal now. |
| 20:30.22 | stoned | shwag, lol |
| 20:30.26 | mfrisch | stoned: if you are making a multiboot, do 'doz on a blank disk just making its partion, then add changes using fdisk or cfdisk for the others |
| 20:30.31 | ben1756 | eitan: should I be writing this to pastebin? |
| 20:30.32 | eitan | here's the output of my netstat -plunt: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5083 |
| 20:30.33 | abrotman | bigz: firstly .. always tell people when you don't have easy access to the console .. secondly .. you're going to have to get to the machien and help it through the fsck .. you have severe filesystem errors that it can't fix on its own |
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| 20:30.47 | abrotman | bigz: which is probably why it was mounting read-only |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | eitan: you didn't run that command as root |
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| 20:31.06 | eitan | pumpkin0: My system is kept updated... yes. |
| 20:31.17 | stoned | mfrisch, I don't need to do anything. I merely wanted to confirm if I was correct or not. I can't really find any specific info on the net |
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| 20:31.23 | stoned | mfrisch, my search skills are horrible |
| 20:31.25 | eitan | valdyn: ok... hold |
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| 20:31.58 | valdyn | eitan: and mark servers that you *know* that you need |
| 20:31.59 | abrotman | bigz: and i apologize for not asking if it was remote ... |
| 20:32.40 | valdyn | eitan: servers listening at 127.0.0.1 are already no threat |
| 20:32.46 | mfrisch | stoned: its more correct in linux than window, and I have messed up a disk using windows fdisk after making partions in linux |
| 20:32.52 | larsl | !info libexiv2 sid |
| 20:33.08 | stoned | btw, I always use bios to diable my windows disk, that way system only sees the linux disk. |
| 20:33.29 | stoned | and vice versa. I try not to mix em, data secutiry etc. from prying eyes |
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| 20:33.51 | stoned | when I'm in linux they don't what to do anyway, but in windows, I try to not access the linux data at all |
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| 20:34.07 | eitan | ok, here's an updated netstat output : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5084 |
| 20:34.25 | mfrisch | stoned: well you could also just toggle the boot flag in cfdisk for what you want to use, linux would need grub on /boot |
| 20:34.30 | dexemna | Are there any free software programs that can make 3-D molecular structures instead of just 2-D? |
| 20:35.07 | xingu | ben1756: from one of those installation kernels - we'd need to see "dmesg", "lspci -v" |
| 20:35.08 | ben1756 | An basic installation using cd1 from etch yielded the same results as the upgraded netinstall (lspci giving nothing and lshw not showing what I'd like). A second attempt at builing a vanilla kernel also failed with an 'unreproducible error' at a different point in the tree. |
| 20:35.19 | mfrisch | dexemna: run aptitude goto science |
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| 20:35.38 | stoned | mfrisch, yes I could however the way I have it setup, if both disks are enabled in the bios, I can't boot either OS because drives numbering changes, partitions all change. I don't want to sit there even for a minute and try to modify the entries. It works best for me this way |
| 20:35.50 | xingu | ben1756: troubleshooting what might have failed is going to be inconclusive; yes, a 2.6 kernel is a good thing, yes, your 3ware ought to work; why it failed requires more data. |
| 20:36.41 | mfrisch | stoned: and 'doz is on crack last time I booted into it it switched my boot flag to it ;-( |
| 20:36.52 | xingu | ben1756: is it possible to reduce complexity and so through increase the chances of success? perhaps add a commodity, pci based NIC (eepro100 or whatever) |
| 20:36.55 | ben1756 | the bit that gets me: lspci yields nothing from within a 2.6 kernel, but the installer (checking from /var/log/installer) of the etch installer _does_ display essentially the same output as when run from a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:37.04 | xingu | ben1756: .. and perhaps an ide drive? |
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| 20:37.27 | eitan | valdyn: ok, here's an updated netstat output : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5084 |
| 20:37.37 | xingu | ben1756: that's why we need dmesg; to find out why pci enumeration failed. |
| 20:37.47 | ben1756 | lspci -v or lspci -vnn has no output. |
| 20:38.00 | ben1756 | strace lspci shows nothing out of the ordinary either. |
| 20:38.00 | aib | has anyone here used checkinstall to create a .deb? |
| 20:38.16 | stoned | !anyone |
| 20:38.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:38.49 | ben1756 | xingu: could you offer a suggestion for how I can get that output off the machine? |
| 20:38.52 | eitan | Is it good security for a desktop to put ALL: ALL in etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 20:39.03 | xingu | ben1756: usb key, floppy? |
| 20:39.03 | aib | ... |
| 20:39.20 | mfrisch | aib no but I too want to |
| 20:39.36 | chris_goe | eitan, define "good security" :) |
| 20:39.52 | eitan | chris_goe: better than default security |
| 20:39.55 | ben1756 | xingu: no floppy and all other methods are not viable due to lack of hardware detection |
| 20:39.55 | xingu | "making things so fragile that the slightest sneeze hoses them beyond all utility" |
| 20:40.20 | chris_goe | you don't need tcpwrapper if you have no services running |
| 20:40.21 | ben1756 | xingu: I can install a 2.4 kernel and get network functionality. |
| 20:40.26 | stoned | Whats a good PSU brandname? Realiability wise that is |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 20:40.38 | stoned | there are so many, and I unfamiliar ... oh yeah |
| 20:40.40 | stoned | doh |
| 20:40.53 | mfrisch | eitan: alot of security is available in Debian you need to decide what is really needed for you situation |
| 20:41.12 | xingu | ben1756: failing that, perhaps a digicam photo? it's better than nothing. |
| 20:41.16 | stoned | abrotman, what psu brand do you like, if any? |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | stoned: i have a laptop :) |
| 20:41.24 | mfrisch | stoned: PSU? |
| 20:41.28 | abrotman | power supply |
| 20:41.34 | eitan | mfrisch: I understand but I'm clueless and a newbie. I need some simple advice. I'm looking at the etc/hosts.deny file now. Should I make any changes to that now? |
| 20:41.37 | abrotman | mfrisch: not the nittany lion kind :) |
| 20:41.41 | stoned | lol |
| 20:41.42 | dendrite | eitan: Security is not a commodity, it's a process. Like any process, it is driven by your specific needs. |
| 20:41.47 | stoned | abrotman, you don't own a desktop? |
| 20:41.55 | abrotman | stoned: sure .. a 486 :) |
| 20:41.58 | stoned | heh |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | and a mac mini .. i guess |
| 20:42.16 | abrotman | stoned: we have a bunch at work.. but use whatever comes in the case until/if it implodes |
| 20:42.21 | stoned | well, a computer computes. I guess you don't need to compute much :) |
| 20:42.23 | curt_ | I have an unused 450w aspire (20pin) |
| 20:42.31 | xingu | ass-pyre |
| 20:42.42 | mfrisch | abrotman: I have never heard that as a name for the fru, Penn State University sounds alot better. |
| 20:42.42 | ben1756 | xingu: I'm going to try to aggregate some output, but it will take a little while |
| 20:42.49 | lech | hmmm, do transfers over sftp/ssh have an imposed limit of some type? |
| 20:42.51 | abrotman | mfrisch: heh |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | !psu |
| 20:43.04 | dpkg | hmm... psu is Power Supply Unit, or Penn State University. |
| 20:43.11 | eitan | dendrite: I'm aware of that. I'm trying to convey that I have a basic desktop system that I use to run basic desktop applications and web surfing. Are there any changes that are recommended to be made to the default debian setup to reduce the chances of hacking from outside my lan? |
| 20:43.24 | xingu | ben1756: sure; you need to get comms or storage sorted one way or another; for a system of that vintage the simplest tack is probably a floppy drive |
| 20:43.27 | enouf | stoned: enermax .. |
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| 20:43.43 | chris_goe | lech: could be CPU bound, and uplink of course |
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| 20:44.07 | abrotman | stoned: honestly .. i'd ask #hardware .. asking software people is like asking the Ford guy about your honda :) |
| 20:44.08 | humbolto | anybody fit with lvm2? |
| 20:44.10 | stoned | +3.3V@24A,+5V@30A,+12V@49A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@3.0A == thats a LARGE single +12 rail |
| 20:44.12 | stoned | damn |
| 20:44.13 | dendrite | eitan: update and upgrade routinely, and learn what phishing is. |
| 20:44.14 | connect1 | i think i need to add another source for apt-get |
| 20:44.15 | xingu | ben1756: the fdc will be part of the southbridge; if that's so busted after the kernel initialises that it can't be seen by the driver, it's going to be hell to sort this out |
| 20:44.15 | mfrisch | eitan: do you have a lan? |
| 20:44.18 | humbolto | have messed it up a little bit |
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| 20:44.32 | eitan | mfrisch: yes... one other computer connected to the router. |
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| 20:44.42 | enouf | stoned: wow .. 49A wtf? |
| 20:44.44 | humbolto | I created two volume groups with the same name on two different devices |
| 20:44.49 | dendrite | eitan: Don't run unnecessary services. Disable ssh if you won't be connecting from other machines. |
| 20:45.02 | mfrisch | humbolto: and it sees them all. |
| 20:45.03 | stoned | yeh its hefty for sure |
| 20:45.12 | xingu | ben1756: it'll be useful to know exactly what north/southbridge chipset this board uses; and a google search for that and linux might reveal known hardware caveats |
| 20:45.17 | enouf | stoned: a 20 indeed ATX1.x or 2.0 even .. not 2.1 yet |
| 20:45.18 | humbolto | now I need to rename one. but how would lvm know which one to rename, if they have the same name? |
| 20:45.23 | eitan | dendrite: please take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5084 . Do you see any uneccessary services running? |
| 20:45.33 | ben1756 | xingu: I've got no floppy drives on machines that are plugged in :-( I can plug one into the machine in question, but sadly an X60 Thinkpad doesn't have space for one :-( |
| 20:45.34 | stoned | I'd rather have more than 1 +12 rail with decent amperage maye 18-20 each I dunno |
| 20:46.00 | stoned | just that I don't know any brand names but yah to #hw i go |
| 20:46.10 | enouf | stoned: yeah .. me too .. but unecessary unless you have a newer CPU |
| 20:46.10 | xingu | ben1756: have you tried the pci=noacpi boot parm? |
| 20:46.20 | stoned | enouf, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703005 |
| 20:46.21 | dendrite | eitan: Well, there's stuff I don't use, but ymmv. |
| 20:46.28 | humbolto | mfrisch: any idea? |
| 20:46.36 | stoned | this is where I found it, its by supposedly an AWESOME psu company |
| 20:46.46 | stoned | enouf, wanna join #hardware? |
| 20:46.47 | eitan | dendrite: anything that I definitely don't need? What is ymmv? |
| 20:46.50 | enouf | stoned: any newer Intel's and AMDs want their 12V 4pin CPU voltage regulator |
| 20:46.52 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 20:46.58 | mfrisch | eitan: you could setup a little firewall, you would need to know all the services you want to run 80 for WWW. You could make sure root could not login through ssh, you can have a file integrity prog like aide. |
| 20:47.06 | abrotman | enouf: or they use the larger 28pin thingie |
| 20:47.11 | stoned | abelle, seen club dread |
| 20:47.11 | abrotman | or 24 .. or whatever it is now |
| 20:47.14 | chris_goe | eitan: do you really need portmap on all interfaces? |
| 20:47.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:47.18 | stoned | 24pin |
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| 20:47.19 | ben1756 | xingu: no I haven't. I have tried disabling it in the bios. I'm rebooting now to try pci=noacpi |
| 20:47.23 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. don't think so .. can't remember |
| 20:47.25 | eitan | chris_goe: what's portmap? |
| 20:47.26 | enouf | stoned: there |
| 20:47.29 | Guerin | why do stupid people constantly recommend PermitRootLogin No |
| 20:47.31 | stoned | usually a lot of them are still 20+4 pin |
| 20:47.32 | chris_goe | see /etc/default/portmap |
| 20:47.32 | dendrite | eitan: What flavor of Linux is that? |
| 20:47.36 | stoned | old 20 pin mobos |
| 20:47.43 | abrotman | Guerin: one more "layer" ? |
| 20:47.47 | eitan | dendrite: Debian Sarge |
| 20:47.48 | enouf | abrotman: no .. that's 24 pin and that;s not the CPU voltage reg |
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| 20:47.56 | abrotman | Guerin: i use it .. |
| 20:48.04 | enouf | abrotman: but it is a separate 12V rail |
| 20:48.10 | abrotman | ow! |
| 20:48.16 | stoned | abrotman, same group of people as Super Troopers |
| 20:48.25 | stoned | abrotman, not as good as ST, but still pretty wicked |
| 20:48.33 | Guerin | abrotman: i hope your boot never gets stuck before rm /etc/nologin |
| 20:48.35 | stoned | abrotman, those guys are hilarious |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | Guerin: i hope my boot never gets stuck |
| 20:48.53 | mfrisch | humbolto: well you need to change the names I'm guessing you have like two /boot s get a rescue cd and use the lvchange to change them |
| 20:48.57 | eitan | On this basic question: should I add ALL: PARANOID or ALL: ALL to etc/hosts.deny ? (for a basic desktop setup) |
| 20:49.03 | abrotman | Guerin: and what if it gets stuck before sshd is started ? |
| 20:49.06 | enouf | abrotman: it's got a 12V,5V,and 3V +GND and rectangular Mobo Power typre molex .. the one I mean is a 2x12V+2xGND and Square |
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| 20:49.20 | Guerin | abrotman: then no power could save you anyway. |
| 20:49.30 | abrotman | Guerin: see .. that's why! |
| 20:49.32 | delire | hehe |
| 20:49.34 | mfrisch | eitan: you don't need to wory about it usually. |
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| 20:50.15 | delire | xingu: there's also "Security through Brokeness." |
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| 20:50.38 | RvGaTe | What packge do i need to enable the spell-checker for evolution... spellcheck for dutch that is.. |
| 20:50.42 | ben1756 | xingu: masterful! |
| 20:50.43 | eitan | mfrisch: I basically want to disable remote logins except for when I want to do file sharing on the lan. I will never be logging into my system remotely. How do I do that? |
| 20:50.56 | Guerin | eitan: never say never. |
| 20:51.12 | eitan | mfrisch: I mean I will never be loggin into my system remotely over the internet. |
| 20:51.16 | xingu | ben1756: I try to provide some value; it's a tough job with abrotman&c taking all the hard ones. |
| 20:51.17 | mfrisch | eitan: ssh is good to run |
| 20:51.20 | eitan | Guerin: well in this case it's true. |
| 20:51.31 | abrotman | xingu: dont' blame me for your inadequacies ! |
| 20:51.37 | Guerin | eitan: you say that now. |
| 20:51.40 | xingu | abrotman: why not, the wife does |
| 20:51.42 | eitan | mfrisch: right, but will that disable other remote logins? |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | xingu: she doesn't even know me! |
| 20:51.51 | xingu | :) |
| 20:51.51 | delire | hehe |
| 20:51.58 | connect1 | why the hell does thekeyboard act so wierd in VI with putty connected to debian? |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | xingu: i guess she can still blame me :) |
| 20:52.02 | mfrisch | eitan: telnet is disabled by default |
| 20:52.10 | delire | and thank goodness for that |
| 20:52.15 | eitan | eitan: since I'm using a firewall with nat, am I immune from remote login attempts? |
| 20:52.30 | ttick | hmm. okay, this is not so good. did a grub-install, now I have GRUB GRUB GRUB all over teh screen repeating. I guess it's bootdisk time. |
| 20:52.37 | delire | eitan: only you can answer that question. |
| 20:52.37 | Guerin | eitan: ... |
| 20:52.45 | eitan | mfrisch: so since telnet is disabled by default, does that take care of remote internet login attempts? |
| 20:53.00 | eitan | delire: I can't answer that question, that's why I'm asking it. |
| 20:53.09 | mfrisch | eitan: ssh and telnet ARE remote login attempts |
| 20:53.16 | delire | eitan: but you asked it to yourself: 21:51 < eitan> eitan: since I'm using a firewall with nat, am I immune from remote login attempts? |
| 20:53.39 | eitan | delire: oops... sorry |
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| 20:53.47 | delire | ;) |
| 20:53.48 | eitan | I meant to say: |
| 20:53.49 | ben1756 | xingu: can you help me get an idea of where the problem exists? I'm certain that the 2.6 kernel that I was running before had acpi enabled in the configuration. I don't remember the minor version. |
| 20:53.56 | eitan | mfrisch: since I'm using a firewall with nat, am I immune from remote login attempts? |
| 20:54.10 | ben1756 | xingu: should acpi be disabled in favor of apm? |
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| 20:54.20 | Guerin | ben1756: not unless it causes problems |
| 20:54.27 | saobi | i can't wait for vista, can you? |
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| 20:54.34 | xingu | ben1756: if the system is circa 2000-ish, acpi is probably ropey. |
| 20:54.37 | eitan | mfrisch: can someone try to use ssh to login from the internet even with my router firewall in place/ |
| 20:54.38 | eitan | ? |
| 20:54.57 | Guerin | saobi: i just don't wait. |
| 20:54.58 | dendrite | eitan: Anyhow, part of the process of securing a system is understanding what all the components do. Do you understand what all the listening services do? |
| 20:54.59 | mfrisch | eitan: not without the port being forwarded from the router |
| 20:55.12 | saobi | Guerin, how? |
| 20:55.17 | xingu | ben1756: but carry on with the install; pci=noacpi doesn't cost you much until you're dealing with systems with apic's |
| 20:55.50 | Guerin | saobi: well ... see... instead of waiting for something that's shit, and won't run on my hardware anyway, I just say ... fuck it. |
| 20:55.53 | ben1756 | xingu: are you suggesting just adding that to menu.lst? |
| 20:55.57 | xingu | ben1756: it may be that your acpi has buggy dsdt or any of a million other things; get the system built and revisit. |
| 20:56.03 | eitan | dendrite: I fully admit that I have not spent weeks reading about how linux works and how to setup a secure system. That's why I'm asking knowledgable people like you guys for advice. |
| 20:56.06 | saobi | Guerin, that's not fair |
| 20:56.12 | Guerin | saobi: sure it is. |
| 20:56.13 | xingu | ben1756: yep, for the moment; then return to looking at dmesg output for clues. |
| 20:56.26 | saobi | vista is microsoft's next generation of OS, it's one generation ahead of the current common linux OS's |
| 20:56.28 | Danielss89 | im trying to isntall Digest::SHA1 but get these errors: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2753 |
| 20:56.30 | saobi | should be good |
| 20:56.39 | Guerin | saobi: well, no. |
| 20:56.42 | mfrisch | eitan: were giving it your first box will not be as secure as your 100 |
| 20:56.48 | dendrite | eitan: Understanding what those services do shouldn't take very long. It's the first step to understanding what your network risk profile looks like. |
| 20:56.59 | saobi | hmm? |
| 20:57.01 | eitan | dendrite: I don't know what the listening services do. I'm a newbie. I'm getting out of windows and into linux. I'll learn more as time goes on and buy books, but for now, I just want to make sure my system is pretty secure. |
| 20:57.04 | Guerin | saobi: it's not even in the same family tree as `linux' OSen, by which i think you mean unix-like OSen. |
| 20:57.13 | ben1756 | xingu: ok. the system right now is etch installed from cd's |
| 20:57.27 | saobi | yea |
| 20:57.30 | dendrite | eitan: Well, start at the top, and try "man hpiod" or search in google. ... |
| 20:57.44 | xingu | ben1756: time for me to go eat; have fun. |
| 20:57.50 | ben1756 | xingu: it has a full base installation; I just rebooted and didn't begin a new installation |
| 20:57.52 | Guerin | saobi: and to say it's a generation `ahead' implies that DRM and fucking retarded licensing, the implementation of absurd amounts of eye-candy and broken new UI metaphors are progress, which they clearly aren't. |
| 20:57.55 | ben1756 | xingu: thank you much! |
| 20:57.56 | saobi | do u agree that when vista comes out, there'll a lot of converts from linux |
| 20:58.09 | n3kl | How can I patch a module in debian? Can it be done with m-a? |
| 20:58.10 | dendrite | eitan: If you have updated, and you have security.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list then you should be "pretty secure." |
| 20:58.13 | Guerin | saobi: no. |
| 20:58.18 | eitan | dendrite: did looking at my pastebin output for my netstat help tell you what my risk profile looks like? What information can I give you that will help you make a reasonable assessment of my "risk profile." It's mostly a default debian sarge install. |
| 20:58.21 | saobi | ok |
| 20:58.25 | mfrisch | saobi: your on crack |
| 20:58.29 | saobi | but we can't dismiss it too soon |
| 20:58.31 | Guerin | n3kl: no, you neet to read `man patch' and probably a kernel howto. |
| 20:58.31 | CyberGabber | abrotman: After compiling i get error "/usr/lib/parallels/autostart/prl_dhcpd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" any ideas ? |
| 20:58.36 | Guerin | saobi: sure we can. |
| 20:58.42 | saobi | it has a deep file search feature |
| 20:58.49 | Danielss89 | im trying to isntall Digest::SHA1 but get these errors: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2753 |
| 20:58.49 | saobi | where it can search the contents of the file instead of just hte name |
| 20:58.51 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so.5 |
| 20:58.52 | saobi | that's just revolutionaruy |
| 20:58.54 | eitan | dendrite: I did man hpiod ... nothing happened. It's not in the man. |
| 20:59.05 | Guerin | saobi: it has DRM and fucked-up licensing, not as an option, but built in. This makes it irrelevant for any of my needs. |
| 20:59.06 | dendrite | eitan: Well, I certainly don't need those services, and don't run them. But they exist for a reason, and you just need to decide if you need 'em. |
| 20:59.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 20:59.12 | mfrisch | saobi: what doodled? |
| 20:59.13 | dendrite | eitan: Well, then google. |
| 20:59.14 | eitan | dendrite: that's good to hear. |
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| 20:59.20 | Guerin | saobi: `deep search' - you mean, like rgrep or beagle? |
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| 20:59.25 | n3kl | Guerin: I can patch the driver, my problem is that I don'tknow how to build the module for debian. or the "debian-way" |
| 20:59.41 | Guerin | n3kl: are you patching a whole kernel tree or just the specific module? |
| 20:59.44 | n3kl | Guerin: is there a howto that you know of for building a deb module |
| 20:59.51 | eitan | So is it or is it not a good idea to add ALL: ALL or ALL: PARANOID to etc/hosts.deny ? |
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| 21:00.05 | Guerin | eitan: if you don't know what it does, don't do it. |
| 21:00.05 | saobi | Guerin, no, i mean let's say you have a text file with the word "microsoft" in it, you'll be able to find that file by seraching "microsoft", even if the file title is not microoft |
| 21:00.06 | n3kl | massically the commands that m-a goes through and put a patch in there before the build and after the extrack |
| 21:00.08 | saobi | you know? |
| 21:00.11 | n3kl | Guerin: just a module |
| 21:00.12 | saobi | its like deep search |
| 21:00.14 | saobi | so cool |
| 21:00.15 | eitan | Guerin: do you know what that does? |
| 21:00.20 | mfrisch | eitan: damn your compulsive |
| 21:00.23 | Guerin | saobi: this feature has been available on unix since the 1970s |
| 21:00.31 | Guerin | eitan: yes, and I don't use it. |
| 21:00.37 | saobi | 1970's? |
| 21:00.43 | saobi | no no, not the regular search feature, its search by content |
| 21:00.50 | n3kl | Guerin: I have the source, I have the patch, I know how to patch the module. Its just building it into a .deb file for installation. |
| 21:00.50 | Guerin | saobi: yes. And on gnu/linux since before windows 95 |
| 21:01.05 | humbolto | mfrisch: done |
| 21:01.06 | Guerin | n3kl: make-kpk has a target for added_modules, I think |
| 21:01.11 | humbolto | mfrisch: tnx |
| 21:01.13 | eitan | mfrisch: I don't know how you're able to make such an assessment about me through irc. Isn't that jumping to a conclusion? |
| 21:01.16 | mfrisch | saobi: so does does beagle |
| 21:01.28 | eitan | ok.. next question. |
| 21:01.31 | saobi | we must be talking about different thigns |
| 21:01.34 | Guerin | saobi: sorry, you lose. |
| 21:01.34 | saobi | i'm not talking about searching |
| 21:01.35 | Decepticon | do you need to run some program to make samba work or is just editing smb.conf enough? |
| 21:01.39 | saobi | i'm taling about deep search |
| 21:01.51 | Guerin | saobi: you're talking about buzzword buzzword |
| 21:02.14 | Guerin | saobi: this is what MS does: packages age-old functionality in buzzwords and calls them `revolutionary features' |
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| 21:02.22 | mfrisch | eitan: I said NO. there are Many factors to securing a system, out of the box you are much better of than 'doz |
| 21:02.36 | eitan | mfrisch: ok ok... |
| 21:02.51 | Guerin | eitan: the first rule of security is: `if you don't understand it, it's not making you more secure' |
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| 21:03.14 | dendrite | Guerin: That goes double for governments... =) |
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| 21:03.35 | Guerin | dendrite: f'real. |
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| 21:04.00 | Geren | ? |
| 21:04.04 | Geren | what happened? |
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| 21:04.17 | Guerin | Geren: someone set you up the bomb. |
| 21:04.17 | eitan | Will it improve security to add -:ALL:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL to my /etc/security/access.conf file? |
| 21:04.25 | Geren | what bomb? |
| 21:04.27 | Guerin | eitan: NO IT WILL NOT |
| 21:04.38 | Guerin | Geren: you get signal? |
| 21:04.43 | Geren | what? |
| 21:04.51 | Guerin | Geren: TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG |
| 21:04.54 | mfrisch | eitan: your not securing national secret you just want something more secure. |
| 21:05.03 | azeem | Guerin: stop writing in all caps, please |
| 21:05.08 | eitan | Guerin: should I add anything to my /etc/security/access.conf file that will block more internet based hacking attempts? |
| 21:05.16 | eitan | mfrisch: right. |
| 21:05.28 | Guerin | Geren: please see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us |
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| 21:05.40 | Guerin | eitan: no. |
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| 21:06.07 | Guerin | eitan: until you understand what they do, do not add ANY lines to that file. |
| 21:06.14 | eitan | Guerin: So basically you're saying that my debian is plenty secure by default, and I need not worry about making changes. Right? |
| 21:06.23 | Guerin | eitan: as I said: if you don't know what it does, it's not making you more secure. |
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| 21:06.24 | mfrisch | eitan: so start somewhere, say a firewall, there are dozens of guis and scripts to help settiing up linuxs' firewall |
| 21:06.55 | Guerin | eitan: yes. Its security CAN be improved, but only if you know what specific security problems you're trying to solve and how specifically to solve them. |
| 21:06.57 | mfrisch | eitan: to files in /etc yes |
| 21:07.15 | dendrite | eitan: In an attempt to illustrate why your line of questioning is so troublesome, consider that if you REALLY want to secure a system, the best way is to unplug it, and wrap it in moving blankets and bubble wrap. Would that result in an optimally usable system for you? |
| 21:07.37 | Guerin | dendrite: and lock it in a small windowless room, with a fierce dog guarding the door |
| 21:08.01 | n3kl | Guerin: the issue that I am having is that when I do m-a build module, it extracts the files from the source tar and overwrites that patch that I have done manually |
| 21:08.01 | mfrisch | Guerin: then you have to worry about A bombs |
| 21:08.01 | dendrite | Guerin: :-) |
| 21:08.09 | dendrite | mfrisch: Dang! |
| 21:08.13 | Guerin | mfrisch: and people with t-bones |
| 21:08.27 | Guerin | n3kl: so don't use m-a |
| 21:08.35 | eitan | dendrite: no but, I am not doing many things with my linux system that may be enabled by default. For example I am not going to be logging in remotely via the internet, so I want to turn that off. I don't want people to be able to try hacking my passwords from the internet. |
| 21:08.35 | Guerin | n3kl: use make-kpkg like I suggested. |
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| 21:08.51 | n3kl | Guerin: is that a package? I cant find it in apt... |
| 21:09.04 | Danielss89 | im trying to isntall Digest::SHA1 but get these errors: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2753 |
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| 21:09.08 | Guerin | n3kl: the package is kernel-package, the binary is make-kpkg |
| 21:09.10 | dendrite | eitan: OK, so you know some things you want. Now you just need to learn what your services are doing, so you can adjust. You've made progress! |
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| 21:09.38 | mfrisch | dendrite: right |
| 21:09.49 | Guerin | eitan: what dendrite said. TO stop ssh attempts to crack your password, use something like fail2ban. |
| 21:10.36 | Guerin | eitan: you can also tell sshd to only listen on a local address, which will prevent any login from the internet. |
| 21:10.46 | eitan | dendrite: I'm not trying to annoy anyone. I am not an expert or a dummy. I'm a newbie and please understand that I need some basic helpful advice... not a prescription to spend thousands of reading hours getting my debian linux phd. That's why I'm here to ask humbly for help. If you can offer some helpful tips, that's great. If not, you can let others try to help me if they want. |
| 21:10.57 | Guerin | eitan: is this box directly connected, or behind another machine such as a router or firewall box? |
| 21:11.22 | eitan | Guerin: ok... how do I do those things? |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | !b-e Danielss89 |
| 21:11.35 | dpkg | Danielss89: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 21:11.38 | Guerin | eitan: this is the thing: security isn't something you do once and forget about: it's a process you keep on and on at. |
| 21:11.57 | Guerin | eitan: which thing do you want to do? And you need to answer my question about the router. |
| 21:12.02 | eitan | Guerin: ... my setup is: Internet<--->dslmodem/router/firewall<--->2 desktops |
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| 21:12.20 | eitan | Guerin: got that... but I want to get started right at least |
| 21:12.22 | dendrite | eitan: And you have gotten some specific advice. BTW, as a newbie, I suggest you take notes, it'll help you go back and absorb stuff. |
| 21:12.33 | Guerin | eitan: the router is what? Like a linksys box or something? |
| 21:12.34 | eitan | dendrite: got it. |
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| 21:12.42 | Azar | well.. |
| 21:13.13 | eitan | Guerin: It's a combo made by diamond... it's a dsl modem/router/firewall/WAP (but I disabled the wap part) |
| 21:13.37 | eitan | Guerin: at first I had lynksys... but I was having trouble with the setup... the diamond worked better for me. |
| 21:13.56 | Guerin | eitan: that's your most important security link, as far as the internet is concerned. We can't help you with it; consult the documentation or the techsupport or something. |
| 21:13.57 | mfrisch | eitan: you have to start somewhere thats all. a firewall with your setup is easy. there is a prog called guarddog thats a gui, there is bastille linux which does alot of what your questions are about, but you can mess things up more than secure things. |
| 21:13.57 | Azar | I got the game in stable, abrotman 5.6.2 |
| 21:14.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:14.33 | Azar | :) very nice, thanks |
| 21:14.34 | eitan | mfrisch: I read about bastille and I agree with you. |
| 21:14.34 | Guerin | eitan: the first thing is to figure out whether it allows any connections through; how configurable those settings are, and for you to configure them. |
| 21:14.34 | dendrite | eitan: What linksys device did you have, and do you still have it? |
| 21:15.00 | deadcat | can someone go into menuconfig devicedriver->multimedia->video for linux and see if you have webcam drivers like pwc/ov511 in there. thanks |
| 21:15.03 | eitan | Guerin: default is to block all inbound connections initiated from the outside. |
| 21:15.17 | mfrisch | eitan: with bastille unless you know what each thing is asking you will make things NOT work |
| 21:15.52 | mfrisch | and its not a silver bullet |
| 21:16.01 | eitan | dendrite: I had/still have the cable/dsl 4 port router. I was using it with a separate dsl modem that was giving me trouble, so I got this diamond combo since lynksys doesn't make dsl modems. |
| 21:16.14 | dendrite | And even if it were a silver bullet, vampires aren't the biggest Internet threat... ;-) |
| 21:16.14 | eitan | dendrite: it's in the garage, so I don't have the model # handy. |
| 21:16.15 | Guerin | eitan: is that the behaviour you want? Do you want to run any publicly-accessible services on either desktop? |
| 21:16.25 | Guerin | eitan: such as a web server, bittorrent, etc? |
| 21:16.26 | eitan | mfrisch: right. I agree. I read about it. |
| 21:16.39 | dendrite | eitan: Note that linksys devices can be very hackable, if you want to play... |
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| 21:16.56 | Guerin | dendrite: baby steps ... |
| 21:16.57 | eitan | Guerin: no... I don't want to run any publicly accessible services. That's right. |
| 21:17.06 | eitan | Guerin: right. |
| 21:17.10 | Guerin | eitan: so configure the router. |
| 21:17.16 | Guerin | eitan: problem solved. |
| 21:17.40 | eitan | Guerin: configure the router to block what exactly? What more than the default? |
| 21:17.43 | mfrisch | eitan: you know what the best security is a backup; maybe that should be your first concern |
| 21:17.49 | dendrite | Guerin: Yeah, true. But for something completely different. And low risk, if it's in his garage. |
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| 21:17.54 | eitan | mfrisch: I'm backing up all the time. |
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| 21:18.00 | eitan | mfrisch: got that covered. |
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| 21:18.09 | Guerin | eitan: at the desktop level, if you want to run any network services between the two internal boxes, you can make them only accept connections internally, in each service's configuration. |
| 21:18.28 | eitan | Guerin: exactly. That sounds good. How do I do that? |
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| 21:18.38 | Guerin | eitan: if the default is to block everything, then the default is enough. You can't block any more than `everything' |
| 21:18.49 | mfrisch | eitan: so you can recreate you desktop from "bare metal" |
| 21:18.53 | Guerin | eitan: what services are you running on the desktop machines? |
| 21:19.21 | eitan | Guerin: ... right.. but... this is what I'm worried about... accidentally downloading an infected app and then that app initiating connections that are undesireable. |
| 21:19.47 | Guerin | eitan: nothing much in software can protect against that. |
| 21:19.48 | eitan | Guerin: didn't I post that on http://channels.debian.net/paste/5084 ? |
| 21:19.58 | mfrisch | eitan: from where.. thats what your sources are for. |
| 21:20.00 | eitan | Guerin: maybe a software firewall, right? |
| 21:20.13 | Guerin | eitan: no. A firewall can't protect the box it's running on. |
| 21:20.35 | eitan | Guerin: you mean because an app can disable or modify the locally running firewall, right? |
| 21:20.42 | Guerin | eitan: the advantage of having a separate firewall/router is that any such app would have to reconfigure it - not just the machine it can infect |
| 21:20.48 | dexemna | So I have a CRT plugged into my video card running at 1600x1200x32 at 85Hz, and when I unplug it and plug in a projector it's able to output at that resolution without resyncing (changing video modes). However, when I try to configure the projector independantly on the same port on my video card, X11 won't let me set it to 1600x1200, only 12080x1024 max even though I know it's physically capable of outputting at 1600x1200 |
| 21:20.54 | dexemna | I even tried making 1600x1200_85 the only available mode for the projector in my xorg.conf |
| 21:21.03 | Guerin | eitan: more or less. |
| 21:21.20 | valdyn | !ddc |
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| 21:21.21 | dpkg | hmm... ddc is the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves. |
| 21:21.23 | eitan | Guerin: right... I do have the hardware firewall, and that's good, but the hardware firewall defaults to allowing all locally initiated outbound connections. |
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| 21:21.51 | Guerin | eitan: ok, see, that's what I asked ... what does it block? |
| 21:21.55 | slicky | hi.. how do i start a torrent file in rtorrent? it just says [Closed] :S |
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| 21:22.08 | eitan | Guerin: only remotely initiated inbound connections. |
| 21:22.11 | Guerin | eitan: if you don't want that behaviour, you need to configure the router. I can't tell you how to do this. |
| 21:22.17 | valdyn | dexemna: your X server may be getting ddc data , and using it, if your projector is plugged in when the X server starts and that data is somewhat wrong, you could get what you're getting |
| 21:22.38 | eitan | Guerin: got that. Ok... so it won't hurt to add a software based firewall in addition though. |
| 21:22.55 | valdyn | dexemna: which is your video driver? |
| 21:22.57 | dexemna | valdyn: ddc data referring to what the display device reports it is capable of to the video card? |
| 21:23.04 | dexemna | nvidia's proprietary 9746 |
| 21:23.05 | Guerin | eitan: it could, actually. |
| 21:23.12 | slicky | anyone? :$ |
| 21:23.13 | valdyn | dexemna: yep |
| 21:23.16 | bosko | Mordantly_Bright: if you are there; thanks for all your help earlier! finally got debian up and running |
| 21:23.23 | eitan | Guerin: basically how could it hurt? Can you give me a short answer? |
| 21:23.34 | valdyn | dexemna: look at the documentation at nvidia.com, as to how to switch ddc off |
| 21:23.36 | Guerin | eitan: because it makes the network more complex for no gain, and complexity is only valuable if it yields a benefit of some sort. |
| 21:23.37 | dexemna | valdyn: I have 1600x1200_85 as the only option for the projector to use in xorg.conf, is there a way to force X11 to read that instead of the ddc data? |
| 21:23.47 | eitan | Guerin: ok... understood. |
| 21:23.49 | lost_soul | I'm trying to get this script to work, but have changed it to clear the cache for seamonkey rather then mozilla. I've even tried it exactly as it's shown and it doesn't work. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/09/27/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=3 |
| 21:23.59 | eitan | Last question: |
| 21:24.00 | valdyn | dexemna: there is, i just don't remember which exactly it is |
| 21:24.06 | Guerin | eitan: what you NEED to do is configure the router. Ask your ISP for instructions. |
| 21:24.17 | eitan | Guerin: got it. Thanks. |
| 21:24.27 | lost_soul | any ideas? |
| 21:24.36 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:24.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of sex-crazed kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:24.48 | eitan | Last question: do any of you reccommend any anti-rootkit software? Or do you think it's not necessary? |
| 21:25.02 | Guerin | lost_soul: ask #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org; we don't know a lot about the internals of it here. |
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| 21:25.23 | lost_soul | Guerin: this is actually a shell script |
| 21:25.27 | Guerin | eitan: i use chkrootkit, which I believe runs in cron. There are others. |
| 21:25.33 | Danielss89 | abrotman still the same error |
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| 21:25.39 | eitan | Guerin: ok. Super. |
| 21:25.41 | Guerin | lost_soul: so ask in #bash if it's about the syntax/etc. |
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| 21:25.47 | eitan | Thank you all. Thank you again. |
| 21:25.49 | dexemna | Option "AllowDDCCI" "0" |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | Danielss89: might want to ask #perl |
| 21:25.57 | Danielss89 | oki |
| 21:26.04 | lost_soul | kk |
| 21:26.12 | Victor``` | Hey, how do you chroot people to their home directories with OpenSSH FTP? |
| 21:26.15 | eitan | I think I'll step out now. Bye all. |
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| 21:26.19 | dexemna | test! |
| 21:26.32 | Guerin | Victor```: openssh ftp? |
| 21:26.35 | Victor``` | Yeah |
| 21:26.38 | Victor``` | openssh-sftp |
| 21:26.43 | Guerin | Victor```: do you mean a sftp server? |
| 21:26.45 | Guerin | ok |
| 21:26.45 | chuckkh | is it possible to patch and recompile ONE module instead of the whole kernel? |
| 21:26.46 | Victor``` | Yes. |
| 21:27.02 | Guerin | Victor```: it's documented. |
| 21:27.07 | Guerin | chuckkh: yes. |
| 21:27.17 | valdyn | chuckkh: yes |
| 21:27.24 | Victor``` | Oh? |
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| 21:28.02 | humbolto | concerning LVM2: can I savely extend the size of a PV (PhysicalVolume) [partition] which is already part of a VG (VolumeGroup)? |
| 21:28.08 | Victor``` | Guerin: Where? |
| 21:28.23 | humbolto | or would I just add another partition on the same disk to the VG? |
| 21:28.57 | mfrisch | humbolto: the latter |
| 21:29.08 | Victor``` | Guerin: I grepped root in the sshd_config manpage, it doesn't say anything about jailing |
| 21:29.38 | Guerin | Victor```: jailing is/needs to be done at the ftp level, not at the ssh level. |
| 21:29.42 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 21:29.42 | dpkg | ssh chroot is probably Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
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| 21:29.51 | Guerin | Victor```: read that ↑ for an explanation of why |
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| 21:29.58 | humbolto | mfrisch: but does this matter performance wise? does LVM actually have a measurable effect on performance? |
| 21:30.19 | humbolto | since there is another layer of virtualization |
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| 21:31.15 | ravigehlot | How do I allocate 10GB from the HOME directory over to the / directory? |
| 21:31.36 | Guerin | ravigehlot: don't think directories, think partitions |
| 21:31.46 | ravigehlot | whatever |
| 21:31.48 | mfrisch | humbolto: lvm is for layout ability to change/add it depends on what you need to do |
| 21:31.53 | ravigehlot | how do I allocate |
| 21:31.56 | humbolto | ravigehlot: if your partitions would be LVM partitions this would be easy. |
| 21:32.07 | Victor``` | hmm. |
| 21:32.09 | ravigehlot | are these LVM? |
| 21:32.23 | Guerin | ravigehlot: you resize the partition /hom is on to make it 10G smaller, and then change the new 10G partition to be /usr or somesuch |
| 21:32.34 | Guerin | ravigehlot: how should we know what your setup it? |
| 21:32.39 | Guerin | s/it/is/ |
| 21:32.53 | Victor``` | Guerin: I know, but I don't use a regular FTP daemon, I'm using the OpenSSH one. |
| 21:33.00 | ravigehlot | How do I find out if that is LVM or not? |
| 21:33.06 | humbolto | mfrisch: I like LVM for the simple fact, that I dont have to juggle around with partition locations any more when I need to resize something. This is the most important thing to me. |
| 21:33.12 | valdyn | Victor```: there's an openssh ftp daemon? |
| 21:33.20 | valdyn | Victor```: i think you're confused |
| 21:33.27 | Victor``` | sftp. |
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| 21:33.35 | humbolto | mfrisch: but I wonder, if this has a bad effect on my FS performance |
| 21:33.37 | ion-weapon | hi |
| 21:33.40 | Guerin | Victor```: ssh chrooting is stupid. If you want to chroot FTP users, do so using a ftpd which supports jailing at the ftp protocol level, such as vsftpd. |
| 21:33.49 | valdyn | Victor```: you are trying to say that you are using the sftp program from openssh ? |
| 21:33.54 | ion-weapon | how can i get debian to install a 2.6.12+ kernel without an internet connection and just cd1 |
| 21:33.55 | ion-weapon | ? |
| 21:33.55 | mfrisch | humbolto: its layout abillities yes, what is this for?' |
| 21:34.02 | Victor``` | Yes, I'm running the sftp daemon. |
| 21:34.10 | Guerin | valdyn: i think it's a ssh client |
| 21:34.18 | valdyn | Guerin: it is, he's confused |
| 21:34.22 | Guerin | yes |
| 21:34.23 | humbolto | mfrisch: laptop? |
| 21:34.27 | ion-weapon | vsftpd si very easy to use |
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| 21:34.34 | humbolto | mfrisch: nothing special |
| 21:34.48 | valdyn | Victor```: sftp is a client program for ssh, what's your server? |
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| 21:35.23 | Guerin | Victor```: Sftp and scp do not require any dedicated daemon since the two programs connect to sshd servers. |
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| 21:35.28 | Guerin | from http://linuxgazette.net/issue64/dellomodarme.html |
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| 21:35.34 | yang | on squid configuration, how do i specify password (and where does mozilla have an option for proxy password)? |
| 21:35.48 | Guerin | yang: #squid |
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| 21:36.19 | Victor``` | ah. |
| 21:36.21 | jesdynf | :snarls. He's still totally stuck on where gnome-keyring puts the user default keyring. |
| 21:36.25 | mfrisch | humbolto: well on my desktop, I have a dm-crypt and lvm setup, the rc1 iso has that as a feature. I would make the whole disk, unless there's 'doz one lvm partition. |
| 21:36.34 | ravigehlot | How do I found out if my partitions are LVM partitions? |
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| 21:36.37 | Guerin | Victor```: so, if you want to shroot, you get to use a ftpd. |
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| 21:36.41 | jesdynf | I'll be very embarassed if I have to delete and recreate the user over this. |
| 21:36.54 | Guerin | ravigehlot: did you set this machine up? |
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| 21:37.00 | ravigehlot | no |
| 21:37.16 | Guerin | ravigehlot: paste output of `mount' to paster |
| 21:37.27 | ravigehlot | ok |
| 21:37.27 | humbolto | mfrisch: I would too, but I need to convert non lvm partitions |
| 21:37.48 | Victor``` | Hmm. |
| 21:37.48 | stoned | !beer enouf |
| 21:37.54 | valdyn | humbolto: try gparted, lvm wouldnt make your thing much different anyway |
| 21:37.59 | humbolto | mfrisch: I have to juggle around data from one to another disk and back |
| 21:38.04 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to mount my dvd player plugged in usb... here's the command : mount -t iso9660 /dev/sd?? /media/cdrom2 -> how can i know which /dev/sd?? to use? |
| 21:38.09 | Guerin | jesdynf: in .gnome2/something-retarded/keyrings? |
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| 21:38.10 | h3sp4wn | Victor```: You could use the scponly shell (scponlyc is chrooted) |
| 21:38.11 | Victor``` | Meh, I just never really liked the idea of passwords being transferred in plain text >_> |
| 21:38.14 | humbolto | will never get one disk completely empty |
| 21:38.21 | Guerin | Victor```: and they needn't be. |
| 21:38.27 | chris_goe | anyone familiar with cpufreq? |
| 21:38.30 | ravigehlot | Guerin: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 21:38.45 | Guerin | ravigehlot: ok, wait |
| 21:38.47 | Guerin | !paster |
| 21:38.47 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:38.49 | jesdynf | Guerin: Huh... how'd I miss this? |
| 21:38.51 | mfrisch | humbolto: only computer? |
| 21:38.52 | valdyn | humbolto: shrunk one partition, create another one on free space, put /var or whatever there |
| 21:39.00 | ion-weapon | ok |
| 21:39.02 | jesdynf | Guerin: I must've given up before I got to .gnome2. Thanks! |
| 21:39.04 | Guerin | ravigehlot: put output of `df' on the paster above |
| 21:39.09 | Guerin | jesdynf: heh |
| 21:39.11 | humbolto | valdyn: yes it does make a big difference, since the start of each partition has to stay the same on resize and moving does not really work |
| 21:39.11 | ion-weapon | can someone tell me how to get debian to use new kernel? |
| 21:39.13 | ion-weapon | :) |
| 21:39.21 | ion-weapon | upgrade to unstabel or something |
| 21:39.21 | ravigehlot | Guerin: I never done this |
| 21:39.25 | Guerin | jesdynf: you struck the one and only time I know anything about gnome |
| 21:39.27 | ravigehlot | Guerin: I don't knwo how |
| 21:39.37 | humbolto | valdyn: with LVM the starting point of each partition virtually stays the same |
| 21:39.40 | Guerin | ravigehlot: just follow the instructions |
| 21:39.45 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to mount my dvd player plugged in usb... here's the command : mount -t iso9660 /dev/sd?? /media/cdrom2 -> how can i know which /dev/sd?? to use? here's my lsusb : Bus 005 Device 008: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter |
| 21:39.49 | ravigehlot | !paster |
| 21:39.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:39.56 | humbolto | valdyn: since the physical layer is virtualized. |
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| 21:40.29 | valdyn | humbolto: yea, im aware, i use it, i just didn't find adding a partition to inconvenient |
| 21:40.42 | chuckkh | how do I locate the existing module in order to rebuild it? |
| 21:40.48 | karsten | ion-weapon: Install one. What release? |
| 21:40.54 | karsten | !tell ion-weapon about backports |
| 21:40.55 | humbolto | valdyn: this is the beauty of LVM and why it makes things easier than using parted even when you have to type more command line. |
| 21:41.00 | chuckkh | and why doesn't find ./ *bcm* work? |
| 21:41.12 | karsten | ion-weapon: Not sure backports does kernels, but I'd think it should. |
| 21:41.26 | ravigehlot | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5085 |
| 21:41.28 | Guerin | chuckkh: man find |
| 21:41.32 | humbolto | valdyn: my problem is resizing already filled partitions by just a fraction |
| 21:41.36 | bosko | I'm having an issue getting X started up. Just installed Debian etch, and Im getting a "No devices detected" error on my video card. I went in and modified the name of the card to match the one in the list Debian spits out but no go, what can I do now? |
| 21:42.01 | Guerin | ravigehlot: now the output of `df' |
| 21:42.02 | humbolto | anyhow, not a big deal. I'll figure out the logistics. |
| 21:42.11 | karsten | !setupx |
| 21:42.15 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to mount my dvd player plugged in usb... here's the command : mount -t iso9660 /dev/sd?? /media/cdrom2 -> how can i know which /dev/sd?? to use? |
| 21:42.21 | karsten | !set up x |
| 21:42.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 21:42.27 | chuckkh | find -depth 32 ./ *bcm* says "paths must precede expression" |
| 21:42.27 | deadcat | can someone go into menuconfig devicedriver->multimedia->video for linux and see if you have webcam drivers like pwc/ov511 in there. thanks |
| 21:42.29 | ravigehlot | Guerin: ok |
| 21:42.31 | karsten | bosko: ^^ |
| 21:42.42 | mfrisch | peasse: dmesg |grep sd |
| 21:42.45 | Guerin | chuckkh: just . - not ./ |
| 21:42.47 | ravigehlot | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5086 |
| 21:42.50 | valdyn | peasse: look in /sys/block/ |
| 21:43.02 | chuckkh | same as -maxdepth 32 |
| 21:43.06 | peasse | k |
| 21:43.31 | chuckkh | Guerin: still nothing |
| 21:43.37 | bosko | karsten - I'm confused, what does it mean when it says "use xserver-xorg" ? |
| 21:43.39 | chuckkh | "find . * bcm*" |
| 21:43.50 | valdyn | peasse: cd drives don't look like sd? but sr? |
| 21:44.04 | peasse | sr0! found |
| 21:44.10 | peasse | in /sys/block/ |
| 21:44.17 | peasse | thx valdyn |
| 21:44.18 | Guerin | ravigehlot: whoever set this partition sceme up needs a fucking beating |
| 21:44.22 | chuckkh | anyway, is there a default folder where modules reside, and what is it? |
| 21:44.29 | ravigehlot | Guerin: I know right |
| 21:44.35 | ravigehlot | Guerin: Now the / is fuul |
| 21:44.37 | ravigehlot | Guerin: Now the / is full |
| 21:44.41 | valdyn | chuckkh: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 21:44.41 | ravigehlot | Guerin: Help me fix it |
| 21:44.43 | karsten | bosko: xserver-xorg is the X server used in testing/unstable (etch/sid). For sarge/stable it's xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:44.52 | mfrisch | Guerin: did he pay for it ? |
| 21:44.53 | karsten | !tell ravigehlot about enter |
| 21:44.57 | chuckkh | valdyn: THANK YOU |
| 21:45.04 | Guerin | ravigehlot: ok, to get a decent / you'll need to boot to a livecd or something - i recommend the gparted cd. |
| 21:45.08 | bosko | Ok, but how do I "use" it as that paragraph suggests? |
| 21:45.13 | Guerin | mfrisch: that's a good question, actually. |
| 21:45.24 | Guerin | ravigehlot: did you pay anyone to set this up? |
| 21:45.25 | ravigehlot | Guerin: LVM won't do it? |
| 21:45.34 | Guerin | ravigehlot: i know nothing about lvm. |
| 21:45.55 | ion-weapon | shoot |
| 21:45.57 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:46.06 | ion-weapon | my wireless nic need 2.6.12 an debian disk has 2.6.8 |
| 21:46.11 | ion-weapon | gank! |
| 21:46.25 | karsten | bosko: install and substitute it in the commands in the place of xfree86 |
| 21:46.26 | mfrisch | damn was that gates or something |
| 21:46.27 | Gnea | ion-weapon: so upgrade |
| 21:46.57 | humbolto | anybody fit with VMware? |
| 21:47.09 | karsten | humbolto: Just ask |
| 21:47.16 | karsten | humbolto: or /join #vmware |
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| 21:47.50 | humbolto | Is it possible to run an already installed OS - installed to a physical disk - in a VM? |
| 21:48.06 | karsten | humbolto: Yes. |
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| 21:48.23 | h3sp4wn | there is a beta vmware program that should do that (forget its name - never tried it) |
| 21:48.34 | tuv | how an i use artwiz fonts in gtk2? |
| 21:48.49 | tuv | i can only find xfonts-artwiz |
| 21:49.35 | tuv | isn't there a debian package for http://artwizaleczapka.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 21:49.50 | ion-weapon | cant get on net |
| 21:49.54 | ion-weapon | problem lies there |
| 21:49.55 | ion-weapon | :) |
| 21:50.01 | ion-weapon | stuck on xp |
| 21:50.08 | ion-weapon | wireless nic wont work |
| 21:50.15 | delire | tuv: that's a good font. |
| 21:50.27 | delire | tuv: it's not already in the xfonts-artwiz package? |
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| 21:50.44 | tuv | delire, i can't find it in gtk2 apps |
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| 21:51.17 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/converter (that is the one - a friend of mine has used) |
| 21:51.34 | bosko | karsten - xserver-xorg seems to be installed and running the latest version, what now? |
| 21:52.02 | karsten | bosko: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 21:52.16 | karsten | bosko: ... and/or describe wht's broken |
| 21:52.20 | ion-weapon | gnome is lame use fluxbox |
| 21:52.21 | delire | tuv: right. you can get quite close to that last screenshot with -artwiz-snap-*-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 21:53.04 | chuckkh | make /lib/modules/2.6.19.1/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx.ko does not work |
| 21:53.06 | chuckkh | what does? |
| 21:53.10 | bosko | karsten - Ya, thanks..you told me that already, but I am just very confused as to what to do next. I have no idea of what it means when it says USE xserver. Do I edit some files? Do I run some command? what exactly |
| 21:53.14 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: might give it a try |
| 21:53.39 | tuv | delire, where do i put that? how can gtk2 apps see that font? |
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| 21:54.32 | delire | tuv: i don't use it this way, i use it in my WM's rc to use it for titlebars of windows etc. |
| 21:54.46 | chuckkh | how do I recompile a module? |
| 21:54.49 | delire | tuv: but i'd assume you could use a gtkconfig utility to apply it in other environments |
| 21:55.03 | chuckkh | I tried "make /path/to/module/module.ko" |
| 21:55.05 | chuckkh | it does not work |
| 21:55.22 | Guerin | chuckkh: read a kernel howto |
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| 21:55.35 | mfrisch | chuckh use module-assistant |
| 21:55.37 | Guerin | chuckkh: or better yet, install kernel-package and read `man make-kpkg' |
| 21:55.45 | delire | tuv: it depends how your window manager is setup. |
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| 21:56.30 | tuv | delire, i'm afraid i'm not following. using standard gnome here (metacity). actaully i'm particularly interested in using those fonts in gkrellm |
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| 21:57.59 | delire | tuv: i don't know how it's done in Gnome sorry, i'd be very surprised if there wasn't a standard GNOME interface for manipulating fonts. |
| 21:58.10 | delire | tuv: you might want to talk to folk in #gnome |
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| 21:58.29 | tuv | delire, there is one, but xfonts don's show there |
| 21:58.31 | karsten | bosko: what's your native language? |
| 21:58.33 | delire | tuv: i don't use a desktop environment. i'm behind the times. |
| 21:58.51 | delire | tuv: hmm.. that's definitely one for #gnome.. |
| 21:59.06 | karsten | bosko: Where the factoid says "xfree86", substitute the text "xorg". |
| 21:59.17 | tuv | delire, 'The so-called Artwiz Fonts are fonts that were created (surprisingly enough) by a guy who calls himself Artwiz. You can download the fonts by aleczapka from sf which are compatible with gtk2/kde3 apps or possibly older one from Han' (http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-artwiz.html) |
| 21:59.21 | karsten | bosko: ... and if this is too much for you, you might want to reconsider using Debian. |
| 21:59.57 | delire | tuv: i've said everything i can on this matter. good luck.. |
| 22:00.08 | anapivirtua_ | Cya |
| 22:00.13 | tuv | delire, there is a gtk-compatible package, which implies there is one that is incompatible, which seems to be the one in debian |
| 22:00.22 | tuv | delire, ok..thanks |
| 22:00.37 | mfrisch | bosko: try to run X -config as root it will give you a baseline config |
| 22:01.12 | bosko | ohhhhh |
| 22:01.13 | azeem | mfrisch: that will also break Debian debconf X config, no? |
| 22:01.14 | bosko | fuck man |
| 22:01.21 | bosko | Ok, I see now |
| 22:01.45 | mfrisch | azeem don't know...its what freebsd does. Probally |
| 22:01.52 | chuckkh | Guerin: man make-kpkg covers building modules? |
| 22:02.06 | Guerin | chuckkh: sure. |
| 22:02.15 | azeem | mfrisch: it does, so please don't advise people to use it |
| 22:02.27 | azeem | well, if it overwrites /etc/xorg.conf, that is |
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| 22:02.51 | eifzon | !nvidia |
| 22:02.52 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 22:02.56 | mfrisch | azeem it actually puts the file in pwdd |
| 22:03.04 | azeem | ok then |
| 22:03.19 | eifzon | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:03.19 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-installer was a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 22:03.26 | eifzon | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:03.26 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 22:03.49 | mfrisch | azeem I though the issue was about the checksum |
| 22:03.57 | azeem | yes |
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| 22:05.27 | chuckkh | make-kpkg modules ? |
| 22:05.56 | bosko | Ok, if my monitors identifier is labelled "Generic Monitor" is that a sign that I should enter in a more specific name or does it not matter? |
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| 22:06.06 | karsten | bosko: Doesn't matter. |
| 22:06.14 | bosko | Ok |
| 22:06.18 | chuckkh | what comes after make-kpkg modules? |
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| 22:06.31 | karsten | bosko: That's just a mnemonic to identify your monitor(s) to you. Though I prefer to note mfr and model m'self. |
| 22:06.31 | Guerin | chuckkh: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 22:07.10 | karsten | bosko: More important if you're running dual-head or using multiple monitors at different times (eg: laptop w/ external display) |
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| 22:07.34 | bosko | Ya ok |
| 22:07.43 | chuckkh | Guerin: "make-kpkg /msg dpkg kp mantra"??? |
| 22:07.47 | bosko | Bah, so running that configuring and such, went through it all but I am still recieving the error "no screens found" when i startx |
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| 22:08.26 | chuckkh | information should be free |
| 22:08.28 | Guerin | chuckkh: no, dpkg is a bot in this irc channel. ask him about kp mantra |
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| 22:09.06 | chuckkh | Guerin: does that have my answer or are you teasing me like other experienced users? |
| 22:09.32 | Guerin | chuckkh: no, that's a real recipe for how to run a good make-kpkg build |
| 22:09.49 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 22:09.49 | dpkg | <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
| 22:09.56 | Guerin | chuckkh: you'll need to change the target from binary to added_modules or something, I think - consult the manual page for extra info |
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| 22:10.01 | paddor | how to increase a ruby-time-object 1 year without manually adding the number of seconds? |
| 22:10.07 | karsten | bosko: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:10.28 | Guerin | paddor: #ruby? |
| 22:10.31 | karsten | bosko: start with a really basic config. Eg: 800x600 at 60 hz, vesa driver |
| 22:10.38 | chuckkh | Guerin: thanks, but I don't follow |
| 22:10.39 | bosko | Ya karsten, I did that just now and went through it all ;p |
| 22:10.41 | karsten | bosko: What's your graphics card? |
| 22:10.41 | bosko | Hmm, ok |
| 22:10.43 | bosko | good point |
| 22:10.51 | karsten | bosko: lspci | grep VGA |
| 22:10.54 | bosko | Ati radeon x850xt r480 pcie |
| 22:10.59 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 22:10.59 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 22:11.16 | karsten | bosko: IIRC 'ati' should work, try vesa first. |
| 22:11.29 | chuckkh | Guerin: it's a lot that I don't need, and I don't know what part of it is for just compiling the module |
| 22:11.38 | Guerin | chuckkh: see that? the last bit `kernel_image' is likely the only bit you need to change to build your module if you set the build up like it says in `man make-kpkg' |
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| 22:12.12 | Jed_cndt_003 | good day |
| 22:12.23 | karsten | bosko: the lspci line itself will be more useful, it's googleable. |
| 22:12.27 | bosko | karsten> bosko: lspci | grep VGA <- Results in vga compatible controller: <my card> |
| 22:12.34 | karsten | Jed_cndt_003: Give the day a day biscuit. |
| 22:12.34 | Guerin | chuckkh: honestly, if you can't pick out the bits you need from that and the manualpage, you probably need to get someone else to build the module for you, since the traditional way also appears beyond you. |
| 22:12.40 | karsten | bosko: Full text. |
| 22:12.46 | chuckkh | Guerin: sorry |
| 22:12.55 | Jed_cndt_003 | pollu wants a cracker? |
| 22:13.02 | Guerin | chuckkh: kernels are tricky, that's just how life is. |
| 22:13.03 | Jed_cndt_003 | polly*. |
| 22:13.05 | paddor | guerin: they don't know either :( |
| 22:13.09 | Jed_cndt_003 | shit, i'm sorry |
| 22:13.19 | Guerin | paddor: ask a mailing list, I guess. |
| 22:13.27 | paddor | ok |
| 22:13.30 | bosko | The full text is: 04:00.0 VGA Compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850XT (PCIE)] (Primary) |
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| 22:14.07 | sam_uk | i cant compile glash because it needs the package gtkmm, i have installed all the packages with gtkmm in the name, but still it complains.. i have amd64 install... anyone help? |
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| 22:14.14 | TonyStark | hello to everyone |
| 22:14.37 | chuckkh | what I see is: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 22:14.41 | chuckkh | now if I can't make sense of that it doesn't mean I'm stupid |
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| 22:15.04 | TonyStark | how can I make that some modules were not loaded at start-up without using /etc/modconfig.d/blacklist? is there some way to do it? |
| 22:15.17 | karsten | bosko: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_X850XT_ATI_Drivers |
| 22:15.25 | karsten | bosko: GIYF |
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| 22:16.10 | bosko | karsten: Full text was 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850XT (PCIE)] (Primary) |
| 22:16.13 | karsten | bosko: Looks as if there may be a proprietary driver. |
| 22:16.16 | karsten | bosko: Yeah. |
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| 22:16.40 | bosko | Hmm ok, so what now? |
| 22:16.40 | karsten | bosko: It's the bit from "ATI" on that's most significant. |
| 22:16.57 | jelly-home | TonyStark: what's wrong with using /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 22:16.57 | karsten | bosko: You could read the link I just posted or start googling yourself. |
| 22:17.38 | karsten | !radeon |
| 22:17.38 | dpkg | radeon is, like, the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 22:17.41 | karsten | !radeon drivers |
| 22:17.41 | dpkg | radeon drivers are located at http://space.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina@tin.it/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:17.51 | karsten | bosko: ^^ |
| 22:18.03 | TonyStark | jelly-home, it is debian specific, and I wonder if there is some other more general way to do it (I don't know whether it exists or doesn't) |
| 22:18.55 | comsa | karsten lets know how u go |
| 22:18.59 | chuckkh | It might be easier to get Broadcom to just write a Linux driver |
| 22:19.06 | bosko | Thanks, I probably missed the link you mentioned as I died (unless those are the ones) .. looking into it now |
| 22:19.09 | karsten | comsa: ?? |
| 22:19.32 | karsten | bosko: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_X850XT_ATI_Drivers |
| 22:19.39 | bosko | ah |
| 22:19.44 | karsten | bosko: Gentoo specific. Read the debian factoids first. |
| 22:19.51 | comsa | the drivers are there i cant make em work |
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| 22:20.14 | TonyStark | that's what happens with propietary drivers ;D |
| 22:20.17 | jelly-home | TonyStark: I don't know of a more sensible way. You could remove the module from /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 22:21.01 | anapivirtua_ | Buenas Noches! |
| 22:21.12 | TonyStark | jelly-home, I thought that maybe with somekind of /etc/modprobe.d/name-of-module config fiel could it be done (unload the module if it is loaded or something like that...) |
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| 22:22.14 | jelly-home | TonyStark: I think you can create a custom file in that directory and put the same "blacklist foo" line in it as if you'd do in .../blacklist |
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| 22:23.28 | TonyStark | jelly-home, I have tried to do /etc/modconfig/eth1394, an dput in there "blacklist eth1394" and it doesn't worked out :( (that's why I said "magic" before, ounload the module and then blacklist it) |
| 22:23.34 | biccio | ciao |
| 22:24.17 | jelly-home | TonyStark: what's this /etc/modconfig thing you write about, btw? I don't have it on etch. |
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| 22:25.11 | TonyStark | jelly-home, oh, /etc/modprobe.d I wrote it wrong, I'm sorry xD |
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| 22:26.20 | azeem | TonyStark: why don't you add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
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| 22:26.25 | jelly-home | TonyStark: did you remember to run update-modules after editing stuff in there? |
| 22:27.17 | TonyStark | jelly-home, yes /etc/modprobe.d is for 2.4 and upper kernels and /etc/modutils is for older kernels, ain't them? |
| 22:27.43 | TonyStark | azeem, I was asking if there is som emore general way to do it, and not a so debian specific way (I don't know if there is any) |
| 22:27.46 | jelly-home | TonyStark: I _think_ /etc/modprobe.d is for 2.5+ (effectively 2.6) |
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| 22:28.00 | azeem | TonyStark: what do you mean with debian specific? |
| 22:28.39 | azeem | are you running a 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:28.39 | TonyStark | azeem, I have read that blacklisting modules with /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is only for debian... right? |
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| 22:28.42 | TonyStark | jelly-home, well, I wanted to say that ;D |
| 22:28.42 | azeem | I don't know |
| 22:29.03 | azeem | if it is, it's the Debian way, so why not go there? |
| 22:29.33 | TonyStark | azeem, I like debian, I only use debian, I evangelize about debian, but I like to know general ways, and not specific ways ;D |
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| 22:29.46 | streuner | TonyStark: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:29.50 | azeem | TonyStark: do you want to *know* something, or actually fix things? |
| 22:30.26 | exobyte | Can I have overlapping IP addresses on different vlans? |
| 22:30.47 | TonyStark | azeem, blacklisting with blacklist was right, is ok, so I am right knowing things, I have yet fixed things ;D |
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| 22:31.12 | Guerin | grrr, my debian mirror appears to be down |
| 22:31.17 | jelly-home | exobyte: vlans = 802.1q? |
| 22:31.21 | TonyStark | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:31.32 | streuner | TonyStark: hm, that's etch? |
| 22:31.47 | exobyte | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:31.52 | TonyStark | streuner, yes,o testing |
| 22:32.09 | streuner | TonyStark: so what's wrong with 'blacklist' factoid? |
| 22:32.39 | TonyStark | streuner, I have read is a debian specific way, so I was asking if there is some other more generla way to do it |
| 22:32.44 | jelly-home | exobyte: I guess yes, then. I _think_ at least Cisco's switches keep separate arp tables for each vlan |
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| 22:33.31 | exobyte | jelly-home: neat. I should know this (cisco employee) |
| 22:33.32 | streuner | TonyStark: why, you are using debian? |
| 22:33.52 | TonyStark | streuner, yes, I'm using debian, but, I like to know general things |
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| 22:34.05 | sobersabre | hi |
| 22:34.10 | sobersabre | [OT] |
| 22:34.24 | sobersabre | anybody knows well japanese in here ? |
| 22:34.41 | streuner | TonyStark: ok, why not start with 'man modprobe.d' then? |
| 22:34.56 | sobersabre | ( I mean language ) |
| 22:35.33 | TonyStark | streuner, I did that, it said that putting blacklist module-foo in the /etc/modprobe.d/module-foo file might worked, but ti id not work for me ;( |
| 22:36.15 | sam_uk | is having the package libgtkmm possible on amd64? i installed all the packages with libgtkmm in the name and i still dont have it :( |
| 22:36.26 | streuner | TonyStark: what module you are talking about? |
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| 22:36.58 | TonyStark | streuner, about etth1394, I have a dv videocam, and if eth1394 is loaded then dvgrab does not work properly |
| 22:37.16 | anders | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:37.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 22:42.43 | connect1 | how do i unlock " Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" |
| 22:42.59 | delire | connect1: stop the other process |
| 22:43.08 | TonyStark | streuner, some idea? |
| 22:43.16 | connect1 | don't know how now |
| 22:43.17 | delire | connect1: you no doubt have apt-get running in some other desktop. |
| 22:43.21 | connect1 | ps kill or something |
| 22:43.39 | connect1 | yah i don't know how to kill a process |
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| 22:44.24 | delire | connect1: 'ps ax | grep apt' note the PID and 'su; kill -9 <PID>' |
| 22:44.38 | connect1 | whats the -9 |
| 22:44.38 | streuner | TonyStark: do you have discover installed? |
| 22:44.43 | delire | i should say 'su' and then 'kill -9 <PID>' |
| 22:44.52 | delire | connect1: man kill |
| 22:44.59 | TonyStark | streuner, er, how can i know that? |
| 22:45.12 | streuner | TonyStark: dpkg -l | grep discover |
| 22:45.21 | connect1 | sweet, thanks |
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| 22:45.32 | delire | connect1: a one-liner might be 'for i in $(ps ax | grep "apt-get" | awk '{print $1}'); do sudo kill -9 $i; done' assuming you use a systemwide sudo |
| 22:45.34 | grimboy | I've just built a more recent versions of drm and mesa (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building). However now whenever I run something (even ls) in the console I get "ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/grimboy/checkouts/mesa/libGL.so.1.2' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.". glxgears runs super choppy as well. I've followed the guide and it was working before. Anyone got any ideas what's wrong? |
| 22:45.51 | delire | connect1: no problem |
| 22:46.58 | delire | grimboy: have you tried an 'ldconfig' as root? |
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| 22:47.17 | TonyStark | streuner, no, I don't have discover installed |
| 22:47.18 | delire | grimboy: though i doubt that's the problem. |
| 22:48.37 | jelly-home | grimboy: you get the error because the library at /home/grimboy/checkouts/mesa/libGL.so.1.2 is somehow invalid, so it doesn't get used at all |
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| 22:49.37 | streuner | TonyStark: lsmod | grep eth1394 |
| 22:49.37 | delire | grimboy: what does an 'ldd /home/grimboy/checkouts/mesa/libGL.so.1.2' tell you? |
| 22:49.40 | grimboy | Oop, brainfarty thing. Thanks jelly-home |
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| 22:50.03 | TonyStark | streuner, |
| 22:50.05 | TonyStark | eth1394 18212 0 |
| 22:50.05 | TonyStark | ieee1394 86904 5 eth1394,video1394,dv1394,raw1394,ohci1394 |
| 22:50.27 | grimboy | I forgot a /lib. You would have thought I'd check the file existed but no. |
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| 22:50.45 | grndslm | why wouldn't network-manager-gnome work for my intel-based laptop? |
| 22:50.46 | delire | grimboy: ;) |
| 22:50.48 | grimboy | I'm stupid like that sometime. I just fell out of my depth rather than poking around. |
| 22:50.58 | grimboy | +correct spelling. |
| 22:51.04 | delire | grimboy: bah, at least you're getting your hands dirty. that's how you learn. |
| 22:51.23 | grimboy | :) |
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| 22:51.58 | purestorm | Hi. I installed a package from backports with "apt-get install -t sarge-backports postgresql-8.1". Will the package be upgraded by the "apt-get upgrade" command if a new version appears on backports.org? |
| 22:52.09 | grndslm | why isn't network-manager-gnome working with my intel-based laptop? it just shows the button for "Wired Network" but doesn't show any wireless networks... |
| 22:52.51 | delire | grndslm: su then 'lsmod | grep ipw*' assuming you have a Centrino |
| 22:53.02 | delire | grndslm: sorry, forget the 'su' |
| 22:53.15 | delire | jelly-home: it's easy. just buy a laptop with a supported card. |
| 22:53.40 | grndslm | delire: ipv6 272288 14 |
| 22:53.40 | grndslm | ipw3945 124576 0 |
| 22:53.40 | grndslm | ieee80211 35272 1 ipw3945 |
| 22:53.51 | jelly-home | delire: I _have_ a laptop with a supported card. It's still too complicated compared to wired. |
| 22:54.05 | delire | grndslm: good. now become root and 'iwconfig' |
| 22:54.14 | delire | grndslm: paste the result in a pastebin |
| 22:54.56 | delire | grndslm: AFAIK that card doesn't yet have a stable driver. my wife has the same card in her laptop and we had to install a particular driver version. |
| 22:55.25 | grndslm | delire: hmm, it says: lo no wireless extensions. |
| 22:55.25 | grndslm | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 22:55.25 | grndslm | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 22:55.34 | delire | grndslm: one moment.. |
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| 22:56.10 | delire | grndslm: i can confirm that version 1.0.3 works. |
| 22:56.43 | grndslm | ehh....how would i get that? |
| 22:57.05 | cilkay | Hello. I've modified .bashrc so that I have a fancy shell prompt, colours, and aliases. When I login via ssh, none of that works. If I start another shell by invoking "bash" within that first shell, it all works. What am I missing? |
| 22:57.06 | delire | grndslm: you'll also find updated information about that card, whose driver is still not stable AFAIK in #ipw2100 .. and yes, that is the channel for all Intel wireless card support. |
| 22:57.16 | delire | grndslm: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:57.17 | jelly-home | delire: and I'd definitely not call it easy. Every driver has its peculiarities. Then every crypt method has its own setup options, perhaps an additional package with no default place for configuration (wpa_supplicant). |
| 22:57.51 | delire | jelly-home: well many people here have wireless cards and many are supported out-of-the-box now. some are very tricky, yes. |
| 22:58.06 | jelly-home | delire: hmm, now == etch? |
| 22:58.08 | delire | jelly-home: my ipw2200 and previously, ipw2100 works very well. |
| 22:58.26 | delire | jelly-home: yes, etch and sid |
| 22:58.45 | jelly-home | delire: well, my ipw2915 works too but it's been a pain to set up. |
| 22:59.05 | delire | jelly-home: i know nothing of that card, sorry. ask in #ipw2100. they have all the details. |
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| 22:59.44 | Azar | holy cow, the nicest game I seen ever on Debian Sarge! |
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| 23:00.21 | grndslm | delire: you know how i could check what version i already have? |
| 23:00.27 | streuner | TonyStark: well, iam out of ideas, just 'mv' the modul to another folder and see what happens then. |
| 23:00.27 | delire | jelly-home: you can also see how distributions that actively care about laptop support do it, like Xandros and Ubuntu. Debian doesn't have a firm grasp on laptop support yet, though recently that may have all changed. |
| 23:00.31 | delire | grndslm: modinfo |
| 23:00.41 | grndslm | sweet, thanx! |
| 23:00.50 | delire | grndslm: np |
| 23:01.13 | TonyStark | streuner, well, that's the point I am at hahahaha, thank you for your time |
| 23:01.28 | Azar | ok stupid question: why if I install new games my openbox does not list them on the menu? do I need to reinstall openbox? |
| 23:01.47 | delire | jelly-home: believe it or not acpi can really manipulate wireless performance. you might want to look into the excellent acpi-support package. |
| 23:01.56 | delire | s/manipulate/affect |
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| 23:03.00 | Azar | hmm no #openbox here |
| 23:03.39 | streuner | TonyStark: btw, what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 23:04.53 | delire | Azar: try restarting X. |
| 23:05.09 | delire | Azar: though it's been a few years since i've used Openbox. |
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| 23:05.19 | jelly-home | Azar: or just restarting your window manager if it's possible |
| 23:05.32 | delire | Azar: what's the game BTW? |
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| 23:05.37 | TonyStark | streuner, Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
| 23:07.04 | mirak | how can I know wich module drives a pci card ? |
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| 23:07.20 | Guerin | !which driver |
| 23:07.20 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 23:08.14 | MatBoy | When will IceWeasel 2.0 be available ? |
| 23:08.39 | delire | MatBoy: i'm running it now in sid |
| 23:08.49 | MatBoy | how does it run ? |
| 23:08.53 | MatBoy | delire, ^^ |
| 23:08.53 | Guerin | MatBoy: it's been available for months |
| 23:09.06 | delire | MatBoy: ii iceweasel 2.0.0.1+dfsg-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 23:09.12 | delire | MatBoy: i really hate the new tabs system |
| 23:09.13 | Guerin | MatBoy: it's mostly indistinguishable from mozilla's firefox builds |
| 23:09.25 | delire | MatBoy: aside from that it's fine. still nothing on Opera however. |
| 23:09.37 | Azar | thanks guys, its "neverball" the issue is that games I have removed are still on openbox menu and new ones are not added... |
| 23:09.37 | MatBoy | But is it now only available in Sid ? |
| 23:09.43 | Azar | I did restart X |
| 23:09.51 | streuner | hehe, iceweasel lightweight web browser :-) |
| 23:09.56 | Azar | so I start the new games at the command line |
| 23:09.58 | delire | Azar: you may need to edit a menu file. see if you have a ~/.openbox |
| 23:10.01 | Guerin | delire: about:config, set browser.tabs.closeButtons 3 |
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| 23:10.03 | delire | streuner: it's a joke isn't it. |
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| 23:10.08 | delire | Guerin: cheers ;) |
| 23:10.12 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 23:10.12 | Azar | thanks delire |
| 23:10.12 | mirak | how can I know wich module drives a pci card ? |
| 23:10.15 | Guerin | delire: my pet hate as well |
| 23:10.22 | MatBoy | streuner, no it's not indeed |
| 23:10.24 | MatBoy | what do you prefer ? |
| 23:10.25 | mirak | Guerin: didn't saw your answer |
| 23:10.35 | delire | Guerin: it's completely backwards of them to make that the default. |
| 23:10.40 | streuner | MatBoy: iceape |
| 23:10.44 | Guerin | delire: yes, it's fucktarded |
| 23:10.44 | streuner | MatBoy: atm |
| 23:11.05 | Guerin | delire: but not as fucktarded as openoffice.org breaking tag-middleclick copy-paste |
| 23:11.12 | Guerin | for which I will never forgive them |
| 23:11.20 | MatBoy | streuner, I was using one that came with XFCE |
| 23:11.26 | MatBoy | looked nice alsop |
| 23:11.28 | MatBoy | -p |
| 23:11.29 | Guerin | not that I even use openoffice, but still |
| 23:11.32 | Azar | delire, hmm is not in /etc.... how could I find it? /.openbox? |
| 23:11.44 | Guerin | Azar: suck and see |
| 23:11.48 | chuckkh | make-kpkg modules_image makes all modules, how do I just make one? |
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| 23:11.57 | Azar | Guerin I was hoping for spoonfeed |
| 23:12.12 | streuner | !spoonfeed Azar |
| 23:12.12 | dpkg | Silly Azar, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 23:12.19 | delire | Guerin: yes though sadly i'm not as suprised at OpenOffice fucking it up, yet again. |
| 23:12.25 | Azar | :) |
| 23:12.37 | mike__ | the unofficial sarge installer needed for sata installation, where do i download the iso containing that? |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | delire: bosses like it :) |
| 23:12.49 | abrotman | !tell mike__ about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | !tell mike__ about sarge uni |
| 23:13.01 | chuckkh | just played some OpenArena for a while, ready to tackle this module again |
| 23:13.06 | mike__ | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:13.20 | delire | abrotman: well if you can get your boss to like OpenOffice then you're onto a good thing. |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | delire: my boss was whining about how "crappy the programming in MS Office is" .. and then i pointed out that he forces us to use it |
| 23:14.03 | delire | abrotman: ok, you are _really_ on to a good thing. |
| 23:14.03 | mike__ | !tell mike__ about custom netinst |
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| 23:14.34 | abrotman | !tell mike__ about selftell |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | delire: he made grunting noises .. and walked off :) |
| 23:14.39 | delire | hehe. the 'boss noise' |
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| 23:17.37 | MatBoy | delire, how does it run ? do you run it on etch ? |
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| 23:18.24 | peasse | hi, what package can rip my audio cds in a single wav file+.cue file? |
| 23:18.40 | delire | MatBoy: it runs slightly faster than the previous version, eg it now runs as fast as molasses dripping down a wall. |
| 23:19.21 | MatBoy | delire, ah nice, because 1.5 was crashing here all the time |
| 23:19.29 | chuckkh | make-kpkg modules_image?? |
| 23:19.44 | delire | MatBoy: personally i just wish Opera was free software, and then i'd switch immediately. |
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| 23:19.50 | MatBoy | delire, yep |
| 23:19.52 | MatBoy | but ok |
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| 23:20.00 | peasse | hi, what package can rip my audio cds in a single wav file+.cue file? |
| 23:20.05 | MatBoy | delire, but you run sid ? |
| 23:20.19 | delire | MatBoy: yes 1.5 was quite rubbish. perhaps stranger is that Firefox is apparently fastest on Linux systems. |
| 23:20.31 | delire | MatBoy: yes |
| 23:20.47 | Guerin | peasse: abcde |
| 23:20.56 | MatBoy | delire, do you thing it's wise to add sid to my sources and install 2.0 ? |
| 23:21.08 | spec | So...I'm setting up a php-thingy that uses either PHPMailer (sendmail) or smtp...all this php-thingy needs to be able to do is send e-mails out, not receive them...what's the most secure(i don't want this box to end up relaying spam for everyone else) choice? |
| 23:21.35 | peasse | guerin -> i don't know abcde -> i'll check this |
| 23:21.42 | Guerin | spec: anything other than php |
| 23:21.52 | delire | MatBoy: that's an impossible question to answer. what is the machine for? |
| 23:22.09 | spec | Guerin, well, the application which is needing to be run is written in php :p |
| 23:22.10 | MatBoy | delire, do daily work |
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| 23:22.25 | Guerin | spec: any of the mail servers in debian; postfix or exim would be fine. |
| 23:22.30 | ken | hey, what's up everyone? |
| 23:22.32 | Spec | so postfix over sendmail? |
| 23:22.42 | Guerin | Spec: almost anything over sendmail |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | ken: sky |
| 23:22.48 | Spec | hehe |
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| 23:22.58 | Spec | Guerin, know of a doc that'll point out how to secure postfix? |
| 23:23.11 | delire | MatBoy: i'm a graphics programmer so it is _just_ sane for me to run sid as i enjoy the bleeding edge in my field. for daily work that doesn't require 'bleeding edge' i'd personally stick with etch. |
| 23:23.12 | ken | i got a quick question -- (not specifically debian) -- is there a way to change the password on an ssh key ? |
| 23:23.21 | Guerin | Spec: postfix was deigned to be secure from the get-go and typically won't run as an open relay. |
| 23:23.23 | chuckkh | make-kpkg modules_image tells me I should run make-kpkg debian, but debian is not listed in man make-kpkg |
| 23:23.28 | abrotman | ken: ssl key ? |
| 23:23.30 | ken | ( specifically the passphrase ) |
| 23:23.36 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me what 'make-kpkg debian' does? |
| 23:23.45 | Guerin | Spec: in default config it relays for localhost only, which is what you want. |
| 23:23.47 | Spec | chuckkh, makes a package of the kernel |
| 23:23.56 | Guerin | ken: no. |
| 23:24.04 | Guerin | ken: you need to regenerate the key. |
| 23:24.05 | ken | abrotman: no i use key based authenication with SSH, with a passphrase on the private key |
| 23:24.09 | MatBoy | delire, ok, but I think 2.0 wiill be an improvement |
| 23:24.18 | Spec | chuckkh, make-kpkg kernel_headers, in a kernel source directory, for example, will make a .deb including all the kernel's headers |
| 23:24.18 | MatBoy | just add sid, install 2.0 and remove it again ? |
| 23:24.25 | ken | Guerin: really ... that's very frustrating |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | ken: you'd have to regen the key |
| 23:24.39 | Spec | Guerin, ah, so the default config will work? o.O amazing :) |
| 23:24.42 | delire | MatBoy: no.. you won't get away with it that easily ;) |
| 23:24.44 | abrotman | ken: you wanted to use them! |
| 23:24.52 | Guerin | ken: how would you change it, if the passphrase is the key to the encryption, without the key to the encryption? |
| 23:24.54 | MatBoy | delire, mhh, worked before :) |
| 23:24.59 | Guerin | Spec: *shock* |
| 23:25.11 | chuckkh | oh nevermind, /usr/src/modules is empty |
| 23:25.12 | ken | Guerin: i have the passphrase and private key |
| 23:25.15 | abrotman | ken: or you can ask #openssh |
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| 23:25.25 | jelly-home | ken: did you check man ssh-keygen ? |
| 23:25.28 | ken | abrotman: that channel is dead .. ;) |
| 23:25.29 | ken | yeah |
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| 23:25.34 | ken | i checked the man pages |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | ken: so be patient .. |
| 23:25.36 | ken | i didn't see it |
| 23:25.37 | chuckkh | information wants to be free |
| 23:25.38 | delire | MatBoy: well let's just say that's really not reccommended ;) |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | ken: which OS is this ? |
| 23:25.45 | ken | abrotman: debian |
| 23:25.50 | MatBoy | delire, ok, but we can always remove it :) |
| 23:25.54 | ken | abrotman: linux, debian distro |
| 23:25.54 | ken | whatever |
| 23:25.55 | MarcoPau | if I change kernel with grub, all I need is edit menu.lst, right? |
| 23:25.56 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:26.15 | Guerin | ken: the thing is that the passphrase is used with salt to generate the public and private keys - if the passphrase changes, so does the key. If it didn't, it wouldn't be random, and therefore wouldn't be secure. |
| 23:26.30 | ken | Guerin: oh... ok, that makes sense |
| 23:26.40 | MatBoy | delire, http://blog.mein-horde.de/archives/iceweasel-in-etch |
| 23:26.44 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:26.49 | ken | Guerin: i had no idea that it salted the password -- i just thought that it encrypted it on my end |
| 23:26.52 | delire | MatBoy: well there you go.. ;) |
| 23:26.58 | MatBoy | delire, :D |
| 23:27.05 | MatBoy | but thanks for the advice ! |
| 23:27.12 | Guerin | ken: the passphrase is the key to the key, if you like. |
| 23:27.30 | Guerin | mm, sammichtime |
| 23:27.32 | abrotman | MatBoy: why are you doing that ? |
| 23:27.38 | ken | Guerin: yeah -- that's how i'm imagining it, but if its the key to the key then it should unlock on my end, yeah ? ;) |
| 23:27.48 | delire | MatBoy: again, what that person is telling you to do involves a source install, which is quite different. |
| 23:27.50 | abrotman | MatBoy: AIUI .. it's going to be pushed in |
| 23:27.52 | MatBoy | abrotman, because 1.5 is crashing here all the time after some time |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | MatBoy: STOP USING FLASH! |
| 23:28.04 | Guerin | yeh ... but then if you want to use a new key, you need to install a new lock. |
| 23:28.15 | MatBoy | abrotman, is that the problem ? |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | probably :) |
| 23:28.22 | ken | Guerin: you re-key the lock in my mind |
| 23:28.27 | delire | MatBoy: yes it is the general cause of 1.5 crashes. |
| 23:28.31 | MatBoy | abrotman, I will sent the site-dev a note :P |
| 23:28.34 | ken | Guerin: thanks though, for the explanation, that makes sense |
| 23:28.36 | ken | later guys! |
| 23:28.37 | Guerin | ken: ;) |
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| 23:28.41 | chuckkh | I give up, I'll just rebuild the whole kernel |
| 23:28.43 | MatBoy | delire, it's really annoying |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | MatBoy: and they're going to tell you that you're using an old version of flash .. and tough shit on you |
| 23:29.18 | MatBoy | abrotman, it sounds the same as NT-admins |
| 23:29.28 | abrotman | no .. not really |
| 23:29.44 | MatBoy | abrotman, an NT-admin is also blaiming someone else :P |
| 23:29.46 | delire | MatBoy: to be honest, the adobe developers are really incompetent. i suspect their springing memory leaks all over the place. |
| 23:30.01 | MatBoy | delire, indeed, good point |
| 23:30.08 | abrotman | iv'e tried flash9 .. it was worse than 7 .. caused opera to just hang |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | mmm .. two closed source apps working together .. |
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| 23:30.36 | delire | MatBoy: keep an eye on GNU/Flash developer, i was talking to him a few days ago and what his team have got cooking looks very impressive. |
| 23:30.41 | MatBoy | abelle, AIUI ? what's the full of it ? |
| 23:30.49 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 23:30.50 | dpkg | aiui is, like, As I Understand It |
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| 23:30.59 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 23:31.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks ! |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | delire: you mean gnash ? |
| 23:31.14 | delire | abrotman: yep |
| 23:31.15 | migue | :) |
| 23:31.18 | MatBoy | delire, I like cooing :) |
| 23:31.20 | MatBoy | cooking |
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| 23:31.22 | Nazcafan | what is the command line to monitor network connexions ? |
| 23:31.23 | abrotman | delire: i wish they'd hurry up already |
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| 23:31.25 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | [gnash] a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 23:31.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: Opera is usable if you disable plugins though :-) |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's actualyl fine with flash7 |
| 23:32.00 | delire | abrotman: he's got alot of work on. some big gigs with major embdedded device manufacturers sick of paying multi-million dollar development licenses to Adobe. |
| 23:32.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, but such a source, will it be upgraded the normal way when it's in the new testing ? |
| 23:32.22 | delire | abrotman: but this is pushing Gnash into a really feature rich place.. |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | MatBoy: you mean using a backport ? |
| 23:32.33 | Guerin | ah well, there are no good imap clients which aren't mutt. That's life. |
| 23:32.39 | abrotman | delire: how about just make yakima.com work? :) |
| 23:32.42 | delire | Guerin: here hear |
| 23:32.43 | stranger_stone | abrotman flash 9 is good |
| 23:32.45 | delire | abrotman: hehe |
| 23:32.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah, like here http://blog.mein-horde.de/archives/iceweasel-in-etch |
| 23:32.48 | abrotman | Guerin: elmo! |
| 23:32.53 | Guerin | stranger_stone: no, it's flash. |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | MatBoy: it should |
| 23:32.55 | MatBoy | but that is not a real backport is it ? |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | stranger_stone: not on linux it isn't |
| 23:33.00 | MatBoy | abrotman, ok thanks ! |
| 23:33.01 | Guerin | abrotman: haha |
| 23:33.12 | stranger_stone | right not on linux .... |
| 23:33.18 | delire | MatBoy: that is _compiling_ Iceweasel. completely different from a binary install. |
| 23:33.20 | Nazcafan | I mean , to monitor outgoing and incomming connexions on my box ? |
| 23:33.21 | stranger_stone | right ... |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | stranger_stone: this is #debian .. |
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| 23:33.30 | stranger_stone | or debian :) |
| 23:33.39 | abrotman | flash9 sucks .. on debian .. happy ? |
| 23:33.44 | amphi | Nazcafan: iptraf perhaps |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | Guerin: have you tried elmo ? |
| 23:34.03 | MatBoy | delire, yes indeed but I did it before some years ago |
| 23:34.04 | stranger_stone | abrotman 64 bits have problems :| |
| 23:34.06 | Nazcafan | amphi: I think there is another one |
| 23:34.11 | delire | MatBoy: good good |
| 23:34.21 | Guerin | abrotman: istr it not doing imap |
| 23:34.24 | abrotman | stranger_stone: another issue with closed flash |
| 23:34.30 | MatBoy | hehe firefox is still on my system :P |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | Guerin: eh .. i thought it did .. but it's been a while |
| 23:34.42 | delire | MatBoy: probably a transitional package |
| 23:34.58 | MatBoy | delire, no, full package, that was so strange |
| 23:34.58 | stranger_stone | abrotman i take the day to install and build the debian software my stuff compiling and everything and i think i will uninstall this :| |
| 23:35.04 | MatBoy | and iceweasel too |
| 23:35.05 | delire | MatBoy: yes, odd. |
| 23:35.08 | abrotman | stranger_stone: okay |
| 23:35.13 | amphi | Nazcafan: many |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | Guerin: nope .. you were right |
| 23:35.18 | stranger_stone | the 64 bits lol |
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| 23:35.32 | MatBoy | delire, my opinion was... I think they have a difficult time now... it was all in such a hurry |
| 23:35.58 | Nazcafan | amphi: there is a classic command line one that just gives the name of the application related and maybe the distant point |
| 23:36.12 | amphi | Nazcafan: netstat -plunt ? |
| 23:36.24 | Nazcafan | amphi: I think this is it |
| 23:36.29 | Spec | Guerin, postfix doesn't use smtp auth by default, right? |
| 23:36.35 | stranger_stone | abrotman what is your advice to me? |
| 23:37.00 | Guerin | Spec: well ... by default it doesn't relay for anyone other than localhost, so it doesn';t need to. |
| 23:37.09 | Spec | right, that's fine then |
| 23:37.22 | Spec | too bad outgoing port 25 is still blocked so no testing can occur |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | stranger_stone: to do what ? |
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| 23:38.58 | finch | exit |
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| 23:39.33 | stranger_stone | abrotman probablly bether use the i386 in then use 64 bits |
| 23:39.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:39.58 | stranger_stone | and leave the 64 to some bether other use |
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| 23:40.35 | jelly-home | Idle bits in CPU registers are the devil's playground! |
| 23:40.54 | delire | hehe |
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| 23:41.07 | Shuttt | bsr tlm |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | fej eyy |
| 23:42.04 | delire | Shuttt: i haven't seen her in months |
| 23:42.16 | stranger_stone | sad we are dependt from to or 3 companys of software to make a few steps |
| 23:42.27 | abrotman | stranger_stone: get coding |
| 23:42.51 | stranger_stone | :x |
| 23:44.36 | delire | MatBoy: that would actually be quite timely. sadly irssi doesn't support /dcc send $FOOD |
| 23:45.03 | MatBoy | delire, I have just finished my beamer :) |
| 23:47.17 | mirak | how can I know the settings of a running module ? |
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| 23:48.50 | amphi | mirak: via sysfs I believe |
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| 23:49.39 | jstevens | I have a laptop w/ a Prism based WiFi PC card. I want to use the hostap driver. Upon insertion, the orinoco and hermes modules load as well. How can I prevent them from loading? |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 23:49.54 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 23:51.36 | biopyte | hi. OOo comes without orthography module in debian, right? is there any source for such a .deb? |
| 23:52.13 | jstevens | abrotman: I tried that, however now the machine hangs on boot when it loads the hostap module. Any thoughts? |
| 23:53.13 | delire | MatBoy: beamer == projector? |
| 23:53.24 | Guerin | delire: as in `beam me up, scotty' |
| 23:53.30 | delire | ahah.. |
| 23:53.47 | MatBoy | delire, if it was such a party :) |
| 23:54.28 | jstevens | I have 'skip orinoco_pci orinoco_cs orinoco hermes' in /etc/discover.conf and 'orinoco_pci/orinoco_cs/norinoco/nhermes' in /etc/modprobe.d/orinoco-hermes. |
| 23:54.34 | abrotman | jstevens: don't use it ? |
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| 23:55.37 | jstevens | abrotman: You mean don't use the hostap module? I've used it since well before is was part of the kernel so I"m kind of partial to it. |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | it's totally hanging or timing out ? |
| 23:57.14 | jstevens | It appears to be completely hanging. I've let it sit for several hours and nada. |
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