irclog2html for #debian on 20070115

`00:00.17`	`biopyte`	`i see that myspell probably does the job. is it sufficient to install it and then restart OOo. ok, silly question. i try myself. :-)`
`00:01.01`	`mirak`	`hi`
`00:02.21`	`mirak`	`I have a two port 9835 serial pci card. I have a IR receiver on one port, and a smartcard reader on the other one. I fail to make them run both at the same time. anyone have an idea where this can come from ? I have no logs. could it be an interrupt problem ?`
`00:02.55`	`jstevens`	`abrotman, do you know if hotplug is even used in Etch? Shouldn't udev be handling PC card events?`
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`00:06.55`	`Halitherses`	`I have a new pc with sata disks. What is the device name for the external usb hd drive?`
`00:07.29`	`abrotman`	`jstevens: mostly udev`
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`00:08.16`	`stoned`	`Halitherses, I would guess the next available sdaX`
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`00:08.21`	`stoned`	`not sure`
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`00:09.24`	`stranger_stone`	`abrotman http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux-amd64.html they say flash 9 works fine in 64 bits whith this`
`00:09.46`	`abrotman`	`flash still sucks ?`
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`00:09.56`	`karsten`	`abrotman: You need to ask?`
`00:10.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 665] by debhelper`
`00:10.05`	`abrotman`	`stranger_stone: yeah .. in crossover ..`
`00:10.08`	`karsten`	`Halitherses: cat /proc/partitions`
`00:10.17`	`Guerin`	`stranger_stone: you lose`
`00:10.21`	`abrotman`	`woohoo .. something designed for windows works in something designed to emulate windows@`
`00:10.36`	`karsten`	`Halitherses: ... usually /dev/sd[a-g] depending on internal SCSI / SCSI-emulated drives.`
`00:10.46`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: next you'll be telling me it works in vmware!`
`00:11.00`	`Halitherses`	`so is sata scsi emulated?`
`00:11.01`	`stoned`	`he already has a sata disk`
`00:11.10`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: OMFG ..`
`00:11.11`	`stoned`	`it should then be sdb1`
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`00:11.20`	`stoned`	`unless you also have sata optical device`
`00:11.36`	`Halitherses`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:11.48`	`Halitherses`	`my dvd is ide`
`00:11.57`	`stoned`	`once again, exactly what karsten said`
`00:12.02`	`jstevens`	`Mmm.. need to do some investigating. Even though I put the modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/blacklist they didn't loads. Seems like hotplug is still of some importance. I've found the introduction of udev somewhat confusing with the remnants of hotplug still around.`
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`00:12.16`	`geo-rge`	`Halitherses: I think it was in recent 2.6es but uses ide subsystem in late ones`
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`00:12.31`	`bbelt16ag`	`hey peeps`
`00:12.46`	`bbelt16ag`	`is there a way to make sound come out of both of my sound cards at the same time?`
`00:12.55`	`Guerin`	`bbelt16ag: yes.`
`00:13.14`	`chuckkh`	`bbelt16ag: read the man page`
`00:13.18`	`nse`	`hello. which is the way to mount my samsung phone SGH E350 in debian?`
`00:13.21`	`Guerin`	`chuckkh: heh.`
`00:14.39`	`Guerin`	`nse: is it supported by the linux kernel/`
`00:14.39`	`Guerin`	`?`
`00:14.39`	`stranger_stone`	`Guerin i lose why?`
`00:14.39`	`nse`	`Guerin: i don't know, is there a way to know this?`
`00:14.40`	`abrotman`	`chuckkh: which man page ?`
`00:14.40`	`geo-rge`	`bbelt16ag: you use alsa?`
`00:14.40`	`Guerin`	`stranger_stone: if you can't see the stupidity in running proprietary shit in a proprietary, shit virtualisation system on free software, you'll never understand.`
`00:14.48`	`Guerin`	`nse: google. but chances are it's not and will never work.`
`00:14.57`	`bbelt16ag`	`i dunno`
`00:15.00`	`bbelt16ag`	`i think oss`
`00:15.09`	`abrotman`	`chuckkh: which one again ?`
`00:15.10`	`Guerin`	`!think`
`00:15.10`	`dpkg`	`Don't think. KNOW.`
`00:15.16`	`chuckkh`	`abrotman: uhhh`
`00:15.20`	`abrotman`	`thought so ...`
`00:15.26`	`chuckkh`	`man uhhh`
`00:15.26`	`nse`	`Guerin: i was trying google for a while, but it seems there are no pages that you put your eye on and say: "well, that's it"`
`00:15.27`	`geo-rge`	`if that's the case you have to find out how to address the cards in oss`
`00:15.27`	`bbelt16ag`	`give me a couple seconds geesh impatient ppl`
`00:15.29`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: i think he's making a wry comment about the advice he got in here recently`
`00:15.40`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: did he read the channel guidelines ? :)`
`00:15.51`	`geo-rge`	`uhhh points at undocumented(7)!! wtf!`
`00:15.55`	`chuckkh`	`Guerin: not necessarily, lots of places`
`00:15.59`	`geo-rge`	`(j/k :)`
`00:16.00`	`Guerin`	`nse: there is a python gui program which supports some phones, but I forget the name`
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`00:16.12`	`bbelt16ag`	`i am using oss`
`00:16.22`	`Guerin`	`bbelt16ag: use alsa.`
`00:16.28`	`chuckkh`	`abrotman: I did not read the channel guidelines recently`
`00:16.31`	`bbelt16ag`	`well all i really need is a way to hot switch which sound card i am using..`
`00:16.37`	`geo-rge`	`bbelt16ag: ok, so you have to find out how to address the two cards in oss`
`00:16.42`	`chuckkh`	`same as the faq?`
`00:16.43`	`abrotman`	`!guidelines`
`00:16.43`	`dpkg`	`1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam.`
`00:16.57`	`nse`	`Guerin: my brother has a motorola and moto4lin works for. but that's not the case for samsung phones, it seems`
`00:17.05`	`geo-rge`	`thank you for (3)`
`00:17.10`	`stranger_stone`	`Guerin i know is complicated but you know the type of world we living to but i bealiver that if you can make then join under your base whith time they will join in if they chose your base to work :)`
`00:17.11`	`abrotman`	`nse: they have stuff for some siemens phones`
`00:17.38`	`Guerin`	`nse: samsung are generally fucking useless when it comes to this sort of thing.`
`00:17.38`	`geo-rge`	`nse: how would it connect to the machine?`
`00:17.42`	`stranger_stone`	that why i do`t like to say many bad talk to the "proprietary"
`00:17.54`	`Guerin`	`stranger_stone: wtf?`
`00:17.59`	`chuckkh`	`I recompiled my kernel and installed the deb pkg`
`00:18.00`	`abrotman`	`nse: tried freshmeat ?`
`00:18.02`	`Guerin`	`stranger_stone: you lose, again.`
`00:18.03`	`chuckkh`	`booting now`
`00:18.23`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: how the hell did you decipher that ?`
`00:18.47`	`nse`	`geo-rge: through a usb cable`
`00:18.52`	`abrotman`	`nse: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=samsung&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0`
`00:18.57`	`nse`	`abrotman: no. i'll give it a try...`
`00:18.58`	`nse`	`ok`
`00:19.06`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: i am well schooled in tardese.`
`00:19.19`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: oh yeah .. you used to teach english to koreans :)`
`00:19.24`	`Guerin`	`heh`
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`00:19.45`	`chuckkh`	`ay caramba, really?`
`00:19.57`	`Guerin`	`for three precious years of my life.`
`00:20.04`	`*** join/#debian pavi (n=root@59.92.89.68)`
`00:20.05`	`chuckkh`	`did you catch anything?`
`00:20.06`	`chuckkh`	`jk`
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`00:20.18`	`Guerin`	`a cold?`
`00:20.22`	`abrotman`	`!tell pavi about root`
`00:20.28`	`chuckkh`	`eat any weird stuff?`
`00:20.43`	`geo-rge`	`stranger_stone: if you want to use flash... by all means do so... but you may or may not succeed in getting help here about it... one pointer I'll offer is to get the flash people to be more specific about the versions of the things that work together (linux kernel, flash player)`
`00:20.44`	`Guerin`	chuckkh: define `weird'
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`00:20.59`	`geo-rge`	`fugly`
`00:21.07`	`chuckkh`	`weird: anything that would make me say "weird!"`
`00:21.09`	`geo-rge`	`snapish`
`00:21.14`	`Guerin`	`nse: bitpim is what I'm thinking of`
`00:21.26`	`nse`	`abrotman: great. it was not in my head that we could go to freshmeat and ask him something directly`
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`00:21.45`	`abrotman`	`nse: he's like The Wizard`
`00:21.59`	`geo-rge`	`nse: one thing that would be helpful is to look at the logs generated by the usb plug/unplug events`
`00:22.05`	`Guerin`	`chuckkh: live octopus tentacles, whale raw and cooked, tarantulas, crickets, frogs, chicken gizzards, sea cucumber, pigeon, dog nipples?`
`00:22.10`	`Azar`	`hello honorables, I reinstalled my openbox and I lost all menus, #openbox told me is a "debian menu" thing... please what can I do?`
`00:22.16`	`geo-rge`	`he likes the wizard!`
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`00:22.21`	`marco_`	`What CPU type should I pick for a conroe in kernel config?`
`00:22.26`	`delire`	`Guerin: live octupi. that's fscking harsh.`
`00:22.28`	`Guerin`	`not all in Korea; some of that was in china/cambodia/vietnam/laos too`
`00:22.37`	`chuckkh`	`Guerin: pigeon isn't that weird`
`00:22.37`	`Azar`	`I lost my xterm too`
`00:22.40`	`stranger_stone`	`geo-rge ok :)`
`00:22.41`	`Guerin`	`delire: just the tentacles. But have you seen Old Boy?`
`00:22.44`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: are dog nipples .. tender?`
`00:22.53`	`Azar`	`dog nipples yumm`
`00:22.55`	`geo-rge`	`you really want to know?`
`00:22.56`	`delire`	`Guerin: yep.. i remember the scene in the soup bar ;)`
`00:23.01`	`chuckkh`	`live tentacles but the rest was dead?`
`00:23.02`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: honestly .. yes`
`00:23.03`	`Guerin`	`chuckkh: nah, pigeon is just like a small, bony duck. But some people think it's weird because they're like sky rats.`
`00:23.03`	`EmeraldCat`	`Hello. I am creating a Linux web/email server (with no X-Win!), and I want to split my 20GB HDD into 6 partitions: /boot = 10MB, / = 200MB, /var = 2 GB, /etc = 2 GB, /home = 14 GB, SWAP = 500MB. Will those sizes be OK?`
`00:23.05`	`jelly-home`	`what to do when the clock goes backwards?`
`00:23.07`	`Guerin`	`oh, rat was another thing.`
`00:23.09`	`geo-rge`	`there is the empirical method :)`
`00:23.26`	`nse`	`geo-rge: but i don't even have a software to manage files or something...`
`00:23.26`	`Azar`	`who runs openbox ?`
`00:23.26`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: 2GB is WAY too big for /etc/`
`00:23.26`	`h3sp4wn`	`EmeraldCat: /etc cannot be its own partition`
`00:23.29`	`chuckkh`	`rats aren't nasty when they're not filthy and evil`
`00:23.36`	`stranger_stone`	Guerin and don`t forget to win sometimes we need to lose :)
`00:23.39`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: no, dog nipples are very chewy indeed`
`00:23.41`	`chuckkh`	`though I've yet to have one`
`00:23.45`	`delire`	`chuckkh: rats are, in general, cleaner than dogs apparently.`
`00:23.46`	`Guerin`	`stranger_stone: ...`
`00:23.47`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: my /etc/ is 10MB`
`00:23.53`	`Azar`	`ok Debian question how can I show . (hidden files)?`
`00:23.54`	`chuckkh`	`whaaaat`
`00:23.56`	`h3sp4wn`	`EmeraldCat: otherwise how would it read fstab`
`00:23.59`	`Guerin`	`these were big juicy rice-paddy rats`
`00:24.00`	`chuckkh`	`not the ones in my apartment`
`00:24.07`	`Guerin`	`not mingin' sewer rats`
`00:24.10`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: and you didn't leave nearly enough space on / since / will include /usr/`
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`00:24.12`	`delire`	`chuckkh: then i suspect you're no cleaner than them ;)`
`00:24.20`	`abrotman`	`and you probably want a bit more in /boot/`
`00:24.24`	`Azar`	`rats?`
`00:24.30`	`geo-rge`	`h3sp4wn: a /etc on / which has a copy of fstab (that's a weird/bad idea tho)`
`00:24.36`	`Azar`	`do the rats poop smell?`
`00:24.41`	`chuckkh`	`delire: ohhhh`
`00:24.42`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: not really.`
`00:24.44`	`Guerin`	`Azar:`
`00:24.49`	`delire`	`Azar: i would say so, like any shit.`
`00:24.52`	`Azar`	`rats pppoop`
`00:24.55`	`Azar`	`haha`
`00:25.04`	`Guerin`	`how much shit smells depends on diet`
`00:25.08`	`abrotman`	`ah .. his inner tard breaks out ..`
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`00:25.26`	`chuckkh`	`rat shit is the stuff that a rat's body is discarding`
`00:25.27`	`Azar`	`well ok`
`00:25.32`	`geo-rge`	`the experience of rat poop... read the latest on #debian today... NOW how much would you pay?`
`00:25.34`	`chuckkh`	`that's pretty nasty`
`00:25.35`	`Guerin`	`chuckkh: NO SHIT`
`00:25.35`	`Azar`	`abrotman I need a bit help please`
`00:25.38`	`jelly-home`	`geo-rge: and inittab, and rc stuff... :-\|`
`00:25.43`	`Azar`	`is Sunday for rats' sake!`
`00:25.53`	`capiira`	`check show hidden files in nautilus`
`00:26.16`	`EmeraldCat`	`I thought about putting /etc in its own partition since that's where the all the config files are?`
`00:26.35`	`geo-rge`	`jelly-home: when is inittab read?`
`00:26.37`	`Azar`	`openbox plz`
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`00:26.47`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: you really can't put /etc on separate partition.`
`00:26.50`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: unwise, since it takes up virtually no space, and you want it to always be available because otherwise shit breaks`
`00:27.03`	`jelly-home`	`geo-rge: I guess when init runs!`
`00:27.04`	`Guerin`	`like /etc/inittab is quite important to have at startup`
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`00:27.09`	`EmeraldCat`	`jelly-home: ok.`
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`00:27.42`	`geo-rge`	`jelly-home: I'm guessing that's right... but is that before or after all mounts from fstab are completed?`
`00:28.01`	`twobitsprite`	`what package do I need to install to get a list of printer drivers in the KDE print manager?`
`00:28.05`	`geo-rge`	`if it's after, then inittab is one thing that doesn't have to be on the same partn`
`00:28.13`	`twobitsprite`	`... for CUPS?`
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`00:28.26`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: you mean /etc/fstab?`
`00:28.40`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: well of course`
`00:28.48`	`Guerin`	`...`
`00:28.53`	`amphi`	`heh`
`00:29.08`	`jelly-home`	`geo-rge: init is the first userspace process that runs. fstab comes way after`
`00:29.09`	`geo-rge`	`where else is it gonna be read from?`
`00:29.22`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: if it hasn't mounted /etc yet, nowhere much`
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`00:29.51`	`geo-rge`	`right... I'm just saying that it's possible to do this, but I don't see it as a good idea at all`
`00:29.56`	`jelly-home`	`... hrm, is the "/sbin/init`
`00:30.04`	`jelly-home`	`path hardcoded in the kernel?`
`00:30.18`	`karsten`	`jelly-home: I believe it is.`
`00:30.24`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: you can specify it with a kernel parameter, so I guess so`
`00:30.29`	`karsten`	`jelly-home: You can override it with "init=<path to executable>`
`00:30.34`	`Guerin`	`init=/usr/bin/emacs, fx`
`00:30.36`	`karsten`	`jelly-home: eg: init=/bin/bash`
`00:30.36`	`geo-rge`	`that would seem to be, but can be overrided by init=/bin/sh or something`
`00:30.42`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Sick puppy.`
`00:30.51`	`jelly-home`	`yah, I know, when everything else fails, init=/bin/sh`
`00:30.55`	`Guerin`	`yes, that is sick ... running emacs as root`
`00:31.01`	`delire`	`hehe`
`00:31.22`	`jelly-home`	`also known as "I forgot the root password AGAIN"`
`00:31.24`	`geo-rge`	`or better, init=/path/to/statically/built/shell`
`00:31.27`	`Guerin`	`i mean, fine to run it to edit up a config file if you close it immediately after`
`00:31.40`	`Guerin`	`but leaving emacs running as root just means you can fuck too much up with it`
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`00:31.54`	`EmeraldCat`	`abrotman: TLDP says 10MB for /boot is good enough: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/install-partitioning.html Maybe the article is outdated?`
`00:31.57`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: why, sincec /lib is on / as well?`
`00:32.05`	`karsten`	`image = /usr/bin/emacs \n label = hurd`
`00:32.12`	`xst`	`Can anyone explain this phenomena? I have a server on my NAT'ed LAN which is connected to the internet with an ADSL connection. The Problem: Traffic FROM server TO internet hosts is slow but traffic from: 1) server to a host on LAN is fast and 2) a host on LAN to a host on internet is fast. So why is traffic from server to internet hosts then slow?`
`00:32.16`	`karsten`	`Guerin: ^^ lilo stanza`
`00:32.16`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: the question remains "for booting what?"`
`00:32.20`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: i have a few kernels .. but mine is 35MB`
`00:32.23`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: that will hold somewhere between five and fifty kernels, so it should be fine`
`00:32.32`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: depends, maybe the situation is ld.so is failing somehow`
`00:32.40`	`karsten`	`xst: routing? Multiple gateways? Conflicting IP addresses on LAN?`
`00:32.55`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: i have five kernels and i'm at 35MB`
`00:32.57`	`nse`	`Guerin, abrotman, geo-rge: no success. bitpim do not know this model of phone. what a pity`
`00:32.59`	`delire`	`abrotman: i don't know whether to believe you.`
`00:33.00`	`h3sp4wn`	`my /boot is 11mb with one kernel`
`00:33.05`	`abrotman`	`delire: ?`
`00:33.11`	`delire`	`abrotman: really that big?`
`00:33.12`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: that's within my range :)`
`00:33.17`	`xst`	`karsten: No conflicting IPs, only one gateway, routing directly through gateway`
`00:33.41`	`abrotman`	`34156 .`
`00:33.49`	`delire`	`hmm`
`00:33.54`	`karsten`	`xst: I'd snoop the network traffic.`
`00:33.56`	`geo-rge`	`nse: logs reveal anything interesting?`
`00:34.07`	`abrotman`	`delire: oh sorry .. four kernels :)`
`00:34.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`actually 6mb (one initrd that shouldn't have been there)`
`00:34.20`	`karsten`	`h3sp4wn: that seems a bit big. Yah, 6 MB is better.`
`00:34.33`	`delire`	`abrotman: hehe sounds closer ;)`
`00:34.38`	`xst`	`karsten: I'm on a switched network so thats difficult`
`00:34.45`	`delire`	`abrotman: i have four at 21304`
`00:34.56`	`geo-rge`	`size of these partitions also depends on your backup plan (or you can reverse that depend)`
`00:34.58`	`abrotman`	`delire: i have more than four initrds`
`00:35.00`	`xst`	`And I don't have a hub`
`00:35.03`	`karsten`	`h3sp4wn: 64 MB allocated to /boot, 16 MB used, 2 kernels installed.`
`00:35.04`	`delire`	`abrotman: ahah that'll be it.`
`00:35.15`	`geo-rge`	`xst: so you're using a crossover cable?`
`00:35.19`	`abrotman`	`delire: still .. way more than 10MB`
`00:35.29`	`delire`	`abrotman: yeah the article is behind the times`
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`00:35.46`	`geo-rge`	`I like sizable /boots`
`00:35.54`	`abrotman`	`i like to just leave /boot/ in / :)`
`00:35.57`	`EmeraldCat`	`RedHat recommends 100MB !! for the /boot partition: 'For most users, a 100MB boot partition is sufficient.' :D http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-diskpartitioning.html`
`00:36.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`karsten: I have 100mb but I should never use it`
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`00:36.12`	`nse`	`geo-rge: well, where i can find its logs?`
`00:36.16`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: this is hardly a shocking discovery`
`00:36.20`	`karsten`	`h3sp4wn: Yeah.`
`00:36.21`	`geo-rge`	`maybe /var/loig`
`00:36.22`	`geo-rge`	`err`
`00:36.23`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: i believe the debian install guide has guidelines`
`00:36.24`	`geo-rge`	`maybe /var/log`
`00:36.25`	`abrotman`	`!ig`
`00:36.25`	`dpkg`	`install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box`
`00:36.27`	`xst`	`geo-rge: But the traffic from server to any LAN-host is fast enough.`
`00:36.48`	`geo-rge`	`xst: wait, this isn't a connectivity fail?`
`00:36.51`	`karsten`	`h3sp4wn: kernel _modules_ are now running ~40MB per kernel instance. That goes under /lib/modules, so your root filesystem.`
`00:37.04`	`karsten`	`delire: Still is, most of the time.`
`00:37.09`	`xst`	`geo-rge: How? Not sure what you mean`
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`00:37.28`	`delire`	`karsten: i come across alot of severely lagging documentation there. i've written to a them about it.`
`00:37.36`	`delire`	`s/a//`
`00:37.43`	`geo-rge`	`xst: could you pose your original question? I missed it, and likely misinterpreted some things`
`00:37.49`	`xst`	`ok`
`00:37.57`	`xst`	`Can anyone explain this phenomena? I have a server on my NAT'ed LAN which is connected to the internet with an ADSL connection. The Problem: Traffic FROM server TO internet hosts is slow but traffic from: 1) server to a host on LAN is fast and 2) a host on LAN to a host on internet is fast. So why is traffic from server to internet hosts then slow?`
`00:37.58`	`karsten`	`delire: Supply patches ;-)`
`00:38.06`	`delire`	`karsten: fair enough ;)`
`00:38.39`	`xst`	`The server is just an "ordinary" box on the LAN with some web/mail services installed`
`00:38.48`	`h3sp4wn`	`xst: using an adsl router ? with a dmz ?`
`00:38.53`	`geo-rge`	`xst: what part is slow? the originating of the connections? or the connections themselves`
`00:39.06`	`karsten`	`delire: It's 1) a massive project 2) has a pretty good track record 3) does actively solicit content and enhancements.`
`00:39.13`	`geo-rge`	`like, if you say: ftp some.ftp.site`
`00:39.26`	`xst`	`h3sp4wn: ADSL router yes. DMZ no`
`00:39.27`	`geo-rge`	`or even: ping some.net.site`
`00:39.43`	`geo-rge`	`what part takes the time?`
`00:39.46`	`xst`	`geo-rge: The xfers are slow.`
`00:39.46`	`MatBoy`	`wow a Ibook 800 must be great when it takes 1 hours to compile FF 2.0`
`00:40.01`	`MatBoy`	`My 3,2Ghz HT takes the same time`
`00:40.01`	`xst`	`geo-rge: So I guess it's the connections themself`
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`00:40.10`	`geo-rge`	`ok`
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`00:40.23`	`geo-rge`	`so beginning the connection is not a problem?`
`00:40.41`	`twobitsprite`	`god, linux printing systems are so fucked up!`
`00:40.48`	`EmeraldCat`	`How about this: /boot = 20MB, / = 1 GB, /var = 4 GB, /home = 14 GB, SWAP = 500MB ?`
`00:41.09`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: you building what? a server?`
`00:41.15`	`EmeraldCat`	`yes.`
`00:41.25`	`delire`	`karsten: agreed, i think though that users are tending toward distribution specific documentation these days, for good reason.`
`00:41.28`	`EmeraldCat`	`internet/email server.`
`00:41.32`	`karsten`	`delire: Strewth.`
`00:41.39`	`MatBoy`	`EmeraldCat, quite OK,`
`00:41.48`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: what's your backup plan?`
`00:41.52`	`MatBoy`	`EmeraldCat, make swap 1GB`
`00:42.02`	`twobitsprite`	`EmeraldCat: for e-mail, you'll want more /var... /var is where mail stuff is stored`
`00:42.06`	`MatBoy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:42.08`	`karsten`	`delire: Though for certain major subsystems (eg: NFS, NIS, LDAP, CUPS, Apache, Samba) project docs still win.`
`00:42.15`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: 6, at least.`
`00:42.16`	`MatBoy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:42.24`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: Too big IMO.`
`00:42.29`	`delire`	`karsten: yes, you're right.`
`00:42.40`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, not for a server`
`00:42.42`	`karsten`	`delire: I'm used to it.`
`00:42.53`	`delire`	`hoho`
`00:43.08`	`geo-rge`	`I think his / is too large, and he needs a /tmp`
`00:43.10`	`delire`	`karsten: have you spent much time here? http://www.debian-administration.org/`
`00:43.20`	`twobitsprite`	`make /tmp a ram disk`
`00:43.37`	`geo-rge`	`how large is your disk?`
`00:43.44`	`EmeraldCat`	`20GB`
`00:43.46`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: Baseline: http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html`
`00:43.48`	`geo-rge`	`and again what is your backup plan`
`00:43.58`	`MatBoy`	`I would set it up like this: 1GB swap /boot 25MB (or 100 when you want to store kernels) / 1GB /usr 4GB /var 8GB /home rest`
`00:44.00`	`EmeraldCat`	`backplan for what?`
`00:44.05`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: you gave /var/ 8GB?!`
`00:44.07`	`EmeraldCat`	`backup
`00:44.14`	`geo-rge`	`that 20g drive`
`00:44.18`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: you should stop recommending :)`
`00:44.20`	`cb`	`can anyone recommend an good soundcard with 7.1 dolby digital that work properly with alsa or something?`
`00:44.23`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, yep because I use seperate partitions for My SQL and Mail`
`00:44.32`	`xst`	`geo-rge: No, beginning the connection is not a problem`
`00:44.33`	`geo-rge`	`when you say "what backup plan" you should be worried :P`
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`00:44.46`	`delire`	`MatBoy: that's a big DB and a doubly big mail spool..`
`00:44.46`	`twobitsprite`	`abrotman: well.. he's running a mail server...`
`00:44.51`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: /: 256 MB /tmp: 100 MB - 1 GB. /var: 2-3 GB, /usr: 4-6 GB, /home: remainder`
`00:44.56`	`xst`	`geo-rge: Its just the xfer speed from my server to an internet host that is slow`
`00:45.00`	`xst`	`Really strange`
`00:45.01`	`abrotman`	`twobitsprite: great .. where is mail being stored ?`
`00:45.07`	`twobitsprite`	`I suppose it depends on how many users you plan on having mail accounts for`
`00:45.09`	`MatBoy`	`yep /tmp 1 GB btw`
`00:45.10`	`delire`	`MatBoy: oh.. you're running a mail server.`
`00:45.12`	`abrotman`	`twobitsprite: courier Maildir defaults to $HOME`
`00:45.19`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: The keys are /usr (too small is a bitch if you want to install a lot of stuff), /var (packages take up space, plus whatever you're putting there).`
`00:45.23`	`MatBoy`	`delire, several`
`00:45.39`	`MatBoy`	`delire, depends on the usage, but car is always 8GB here`
`00:45.39`	`EmeraldCat`	`Hmmm...I don't really _have_ a backup plan. ;)`
`00:45.40`	`delire`	`MatBoy: sorry, before you were talking about upgrading to Sid, so i assumed otherwise.`
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`00:45.47`	`geo-rge`	`twobitsprite: good point`
`00:45.56`	`MatBoy`	`delire, ah no problem, I already thought so :)`
`00:46.00`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: /tmp doesn't get used all that much, a few hundred MB is usually sufficient. Make /home your large single partition and park a lot of stuff under there.`
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`00:46.13`	`EmeraldCat`	`karsten: The server will not have X-Win installed.`
`00:46.23`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: swap: ~2x RAM.`
`00:46.30`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, depends on what server... if spamd is crashing... it's filling up very quickly`
`00:46.34`	`Azar`	`What A Joy!!!! I had to reboot my Debian Sarge _five_ times to get my openbox running!! YEEPEEEEE!!`
`00:46.49`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: having said that, you -can- have x -clients- (and corr. libs) installed`
`00:46.49`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: What's filing up?`
`00:46.55`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, you don't need 2x mem anymore for SWAP !!`
`00:47.06`	`Azar`	`the #openbox guys told me is a Debian thing, and indeed it is a Debian thing`
`00:47.15`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, /tmp when on a mialserver spamd is crashing`
`00:47.16`	`geo-rge`	`MatBoy: maybe it's still -desirable-`
`00:47.37`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: 1. Some swap is good. See Martin Poole's essay on the Linux VFS and memory management.`
`00:47.39`	`geo-rge`	`but the 2x ram idea does come from a bsd requirement`
`00:47.53`	`abrotman`	`it comes from the 2.4 swap storm bullshit`
`00:48.00`	`MatBoy`	`delire, mhh the guy of that tu had a fast ibook 800Mhz... took one hour to compile... also on my 3,2Ghz`
`00:48.12`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: 2. There's no such thing as "too much swap", within reason (eg: you've got 128 GB on the system, a 64 GB HD, and try to allocate 256 GB swap: wrong).`
`00:48.23`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, when you box is already spwapping... you already have a bad server`
`00:48.27`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: 3. Data in swapped state isn't a problem. Data swapping is.`
`00:48.43`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: ... in which case the problem isn't too much swap, it's not enough RAM.`
`00:48.47`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, 1 GB of swap is more than enough`
`00:49.03`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: ... data in swap state is simply staying out of your (expensive) RAM and on your (cheap) disk.`
`00:49.05`	`MatBoy`	`you can take 2, but not more`
`00:49.07`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: Wrong.`
`00:49.14`	`geo-rge`	`MatBoy: the numbers depend on the application primarily`
`00:49.26`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: ... You can't make a blanket statement like that without knowing what system performance characteristics are.`
`00:49.42`	`abrotman`	`or application requirements`
`00:49.46`	`EmeraldCat`	`karsten: Isn't 256MB a tad small for / ?`
`00:49.46`	`geo-rge`	`right`
`00:49.47`	`MatBoy`	`you don't want to have data swapped on a server with a lot of read/writes`
`00:49.52`	`Guerin`	`or the number of badgers in a sett`
`00:50.01`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: If you've split off most of everything else, it's plenty.`
`00:50.08`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: so by that logic you should have no swap`
`00:50.09`	`EmeraldCat`	`ok.`
`00:50.13`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: depends on application :) for you, it's probably fine`
`00:50.18`	`MatBoy`	`EmeraldCat, 1GB, but take /usr and the rest also seprate than`
`00:50.29`	`twobitsprite`	`so... how does one install printer drivers for kde in debian?`
`00:50.30`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: wtf are you smoking`
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`00:50.41`	`MatBoy`	`Guerin, you need it so your server will not crash when it's needed... but you don;t want to need it`
`00:50.53`	`abrotman`	`Bhaal: are you on a timer?`
`00:51.00`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: The biggest use I'm seeing is kernel modules (~40 MB per kernel installed) and a few odd bits under /etc.`
`00:51.01`	`twobitsprite`	`I feel like I've installed just about ever printer related package, but nothing shows up in my list of printer manufacturers in the kde print manager`
`00:51.09`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: 256 - 500 MB should be more than plenty.`
`00:51.11`	`grndslm`	`I'm using Ubuntu and am wondering if anybody can help me figure out why nm-applet won't display any wireless networks found with my ipw3945??? It just shows "Wired Network" and that's it`
`00:51.12`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html]`
`00:51.29`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: you should ask #ubuntu`
`00:51.30`	`geo-rge`	`at the tone, the Bhaal time is... TIME TO CYCLE!`
`00:51.32`	`karsten`	`"Is Swap Space Obsolete" essay by Martin Pool. Short answer: hell no.`
`00:51.44`	`karsten`	`grndslm: /join #ubuntu`
`00:51.48`	`grndslm`	`abrotman: tried...but nobody knows`
`00:51.56`	`karsten`	`grndslm: That's not our problem.`
`00:51.58`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: not our problem .. try ##linux`
`00:52.08`	`abrotman`	`or ask #wireless`
`00:52.48`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, I don;t know how much MEM you put in a server, but it's at least 1GB here :)`
`00:52.52`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: If you want to know what your VFS performance issues are, run vmstat and watch the si/so values. Significant activity there (and iowait) indicates low-memory issues.`
`00:52.56`	`MatBoy`	`normally 2 to 8 GB`
`00:53.00`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: 6 - 128 GB.`
`00:53.09`	`geo-rge`	`grndslm: looks like it's some issue between ipw3945 and nm-applet`
`00:53.18`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: it's OT here ..`
`00:53.18`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: ... I run herd on ~1300 systems.`
`00:53.20`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, I think you use VM's on it ;)`
`00:53.28`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: an amazing leap of deductive logic there`
`00:53.36`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: Nope. Batch queue management.`
`00:53.38`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, wow... you overrulles us`
`00:53.39`	`MatBoy`	`:P`
`00:53.41`	`grndslm`	`geo-rge: mm hmm....and...?`
`00:53.45`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: which sometimes they don't realize`
`00:53.45`	`MatBoy`	`overrulled`
`00:54.04`	`EmeraldCat`	`Is it a good idea (in general for a server) to create a seperate /boot partition?`
`00:54.08`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, it really depends... but swap on a mailserver... don;t think so`
`00:54.11`	`geo-rge`	`grndslm: so you would need to zoom in on those two things, and gather whatever info you can`
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`00:54.13`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: You may bow down before mah greatness and address me as "Your Godliness" ;-)`
`00:54.13`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: yes.`
`00:54.16`	`MatBoy`	`I don;t want to see it used there`
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`00:54.26`	`belkin`	`will it be safe to install debian from an existing Linux system ?`
`00:54.30`	`grndslm`	`sure, i'll try zooming in on them`
`00:54.41`	`geo-rge`	`belkin: you can make a chroot`
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`00:54.50`	`h3sp4wn`	`belkin: if you are careful and have multiple partitions`
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`00:55.01`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: If you were reading carefully, you'd note that the answer was "it depends on usage and requires assessment". However that said, _some_ swap (per Pool's article) greatly enhances kernel memory management.`
`00:55.05`	`karsten`	`belkin: Yes.`
`00:55.06`	`mikearthur`	`hi guys, trying to decide which debian version to use. Is testing currently frozen?`
`00:55.12`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`00:55.14`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: yes.`
`00:55.17`	`Guerin`	`mikearthur:`
`00:55.20`	`karsten`	`belkin: Debian Installation Manual appendix C4. Chroot install / debootstrap.`
`00:55.25`	`karsten`	`mikearthur: Yes.`
`00:55.33`	`delire`	`karsten: that's a serious roll-out. you and how many are responsible for those 1300 systems?`
`00:55.34`	`mikearthur`	`is unstable likely to break often?`
`00:55.38`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`00:55.43`	`geo-rge`	`grndslm: things like: read appropriate docs, watch logs posted to by those apps, google some of the interesting log messages, like that`
`00:55.44`	`Guerin`	`mikearthur: daily.`
`00:55.49`	`mikearthur`	`hehe`
`00:55.54`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: go to fucking #ubuntu`
`00:55.59`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, I'm not even on half... there are so many statements about that`
`00:56.01`	`karsten`	`mikearthur: Normally we'd start you off on stable, but testing (etch) ain't a bad place to be right now.`
`00:56.10`	`mikearthur`	`and once etch is released, testing is unfrozen?`
`00:56.13`	`geo-rge`	`abrotman: irrelevent.`
`00:56.18`	`grndslm`	`no kidding`
`00:56.27`	`Guerin`	`mikearthur: no, etch is frozen, testing will start to break horribly`
`00:56.32`	`mikearthur`	`so if I have my sources.list pointing to etch, it'll be frozen, and testing, it'll become unfrozen?`
`00:56.35`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: no .. it's not .. go to #ubuntu if you want to support it`
`00:56.37`	`Guerin`	`yes`
`00:56.53`	`belkin`	`whats easyer installing debian from an existing Linux system or boot from floppy disks (net install ) ?`
`00:56.58`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: The other overwhelming argument to overprovisioning swap (with multiple swap partitions) is that 1) it's cheap and 2) repartitioning to increase allocations later (because you've added RAM / you need it) is hard.`
`00:57.06`	`Guerin`	`belkin: depends. Probably the latter.`
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`00:57.23`	`karsten`	`delire: about 15 folks principally, depends what parts of it you're talking about.`
`00:57.32`	`geo-rge`	`ubuntu isn't relevent to the discussion... the apps are. and more than that, the action of gathering the required information is the most relevent. I'm not supporting ubuntu OR debian`
`00:57.39`	`delire`	`karsten: regardless, an impressive ratio.`
`00:57.41`	`karsten`	`delire: it's a large compute cluster used in SW development, some builds, a lot of QA and testing.`
`00:57.43`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, on one thing I'm quite right... SWAP slows it down... when it;s in mem... its always faster`
`00:57.53`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: NO SHIT`
`00:58.00`	`MatBoy`	`karsten, when a box here is going to swap, I add more ram... never needed btw :)`
`00:58.04`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: and invoking OOM is much, much slower.`
`00:58.07`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: that's like saying a fast thing is faster than a slow thing`
`00:58.13`	`belkin`	`Guerin so floppy disk , ok`
`00:58.22`	`abrotman`	`Captain Obvious Guerin`
`00:58.24`	`MatBoy`	`Guerin, was I talking to you ?`
`00:58.25`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: .... you've repeated your error of confusing too much swap with insufficient RAM, however.`
`00:58.37`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: no, you were talking in hashdweebian, which is a public irc channel`
`00:58.44`	`Guerin`	`MatBoy: just FYI`
`00:58.45`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: you'r enot likely to win this argument :)`
`00:58.52`	`EmeraldCat`	`Ok, now how about this: /boot = 50MB, / = 1 GB, /var = 6 GB, /home = 12 GB, SWAP = 500MB ? (I'm afraid the max memory capacity will be 256MB.)`
`00:58.59`	`mikearthur`	`if I have my sources.list pointing to etch, it'll be frozen, and testing, it'll become unfrozen?`
`00:59.05`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`00:59.09`	`mikearthur`	`cool`
`00:59.14`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: Should be good. Um. Where's /usr?`
`00:59.16`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: i would put another 2-3G in /`
`00:59.17`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, I don;t want to also... I like people who think swap is no problem :) I rather prevent using it ;)`
`00:59.18`	`mikearthur`	`and testing becomes unfrozen on etch release?`
`00:59.22`	`abrotman`	`mikearthur: etch will be released as stable .. you'll be running stable .. testing will get unfrozen`
`00:59.23`	`delire`	`mikearthur: pointing to etch is sane right now. testing is about to get scary again.`
`00:59.31`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: If no seperate /usr, bump / to ~3-4 GB.`
`00:59.34`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: no duh ..`
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`00:59.44`	`EmeraldCat`	`karsten: In /. Should I split it off?`
`00:59.47`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: Note that if you seperate out /usr you can mount it nodev,ro`
`00:59.49`	`twobitsprite`	`laskdjflaskjd.... sometimes I just hate linux...`
`01:00.02`	`mikearthur`	`delire: will testing be more stable than unstable though?`
`01:00.03`	`abrotman`	`twobitsprite: you could use AthenaOS`
`01:00.04`	`karsten`	`EmeraldCat: You can. It's a matter of choice, control, complexity. I generally do.`
`01:00.05`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, wow, smart line ;)`
`01:00.09`	`delire`	`twobitsprite: there are plenty of other operating systems to try`
`01:00.10`	`abrotman`	`mikearthur: supposedly`
`01:00.13`	`delire`	`mikearthur: yes of course`
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`01:00.15`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: ... then you wake up?`
`01:00.17`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: stop arguing with me ...`
`01:00.17`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: you should study and come up with a server backup plan`
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`01:00.36`	`mikearthur`	`delire: I'm used to running unstable on Gentoo, and the breakages weren't really a problem for me`
`01:00.39`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, I didn't you do`
`01:00.50`	`twobitsprite`	`well... it's only when trying to do things like print`
`01:00.51`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: Read: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html`
`01:00.54`	`twobitsprite`	`I love it otherwise`
`01:00.54`	`mikearthur`	`so testing is suitable for a desktop, post unfreeze, if you don't mind the occasional breakage?`
`01:00.57`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: i just told you that you weren't going to win vs. karsten/Guerin`
`01:01.01`	`Guerin`	`mikearthur: much of the skill doesn't translate, since it's packaging-system specific`
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`01:01.03`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: and obviously you didn't`
`01:01.04`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, do I care ?`
`01:01.05`	`karsten`	`MatBoy: ... it's a kernel dev saying why you want (in general) 1-2 GB of swap.`
`01:01.09`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: you were still arguing`
`01:01.10`	`twobitsprite`	`but for the life of me I can't even figure out where to begin to get my printer working`
`01:01.17`	`EmeraldCat`	`geo-rge: Will do.`
`01:01.20`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: At the beginning.`
`01:01.20`	`NetGangsta`	`Hi, how can i close webmin on debian?`
`01:01.22`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, yes, but that doesn;t say I want to win`
`01:01.23`	`twobitsprite`	`CUPS says the printer is all set up, but it doesn't do anything`
`01:01.24`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: aptitude install foomatic-gui`
`01:01.27`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: What printer? What interconnectivity.`
`01:01.32`	`karsten`	`NetGangsta: purge it.`
`01:01.34`	`karsten`	`!webmin`
`01:01.34`	`dpkg`	`webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro hates webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html`
`01:01.34`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: yes it does .. or you'd stop arguing .. just like you're still arguing with me`
`01:01.41`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: HP Deskjet, parrallel`
`01:01.56`	`delire`	`mikearthur: i've been using unstable as a development environment (not production though) for around 6 years. this last year has been quite ok. the really tough times have been around ABI transitions.`
`01:01.59`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: Start with the basics. Power? Test button? Cabling? Ports?`
`01:02.01`	`NetGangsta`	`!webmin`
`01:02.01`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro hates webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html`
`01:02.10`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: check`
`01:02.13`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: You can probably configure it straighforward w/ CUPS.`
`01:02.22`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, I hope you life is less complex :)`
`01:02.24`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: make sure parport, parport_pc and lp modules are loaded`
`01:02.24`	`NetGangsta`	`but no one know how to close it?`
`01:02.26`	`MatBoy`	`*your`
`01:02.30`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: that's what I did (I assume you mean the web interface)`
`01:02.31`	`karsten`	`NetGangsta: Purge it.`
`01:02.37`	`NetGangsta`	`no`
`01:02.40`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: http://localhost:631`
`01:02.40`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: because of what ?`
`01:02.44`	`mikearthur`	`delire: 2 questions: how far is testing usually behind testing and what happened at ABI transitions?`
`01:02.48`	`karsten`	`NetGangsta: Sucks to be you.`
`01:03.01`	`geo-rge`	`mikearthur: instabilities in sid are moreorless not under your control (you can have missing lib or other needed packages, or breakages within indiv. pkgs... pkgs are built for you)... whereas in gentoo they might be (just rebuild and install)`
`01:03.01`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: other than that, HP Deskjets are among the best-supported linux printers ever (excluding postscript, natch)`
`01:03.01`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, you asked me to stop ;)`
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`01:03.02`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, think about it`
`01:03.03`	`MatBoy`	`;)`
`01:03.09`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: have a nice day`
`01:03.16`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: check`
`01:03.36`	`mikearthur`	`geo-rge: cool, thanks`
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`01:03.58`	`mikearthur`	`geo-rge: same questions to you: how far is testing usually behind testing and what happened at ABI transitions?`
`01:04.00`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: well... I know it's because I don't know anything about how linux print systems work... I don't know the difference between foomatic and CUPS, wtf is HPLIP??? etc...`
`01:04.08`	`abrotman`	`mikearthur: stuff breaks all over`
`01:04.12`	`abrotman`	`!sid upgrade`
`01:04.12`	`dpkg`	`Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.`
`01:04.20`	`abrotman`	`mikearthur: please don't use sid/unstable`
`01:04.20`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: when in doubt, use CUPS`
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`01:04.26`	`mikearthur`	`abrotman: ok`
`01:04.34`	`EmeraldCat`	`So if I split off /usr, then / = 256MB and /usr = 1 GB? (I seriously doubt there will be any X clients/libs installed.)`
`01:04.38`	`wimpies`	`Hi all, I have this problem after I tried to install ttf-opensymbol. I get fontconfig errors I cannot get rid of ... "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning ... what can I do about this ?`
`01:04.41`	`abrotman`	`mikearthur: you'll get enough breakage with testing`
`01:04.45`	`mikearthur`	`hehe`
`01:04.52`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: what do you mean "use CUPS"? as opposed to foomatic? Are the two mutually exclsive?`
`01:05.22`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: no way. / = 1G (minimum), /usr = 3G, /var = 3-4G`
`01:05.23`	`jelly-home`	`hmm, does "obsoleted in Debian..." mean there's a replacement?`
`01:05.28`	`delire`	`mikearthur: transitioning the C++ ABI itself can really throw alot of large recursively dependent applications into a spiralling abyss. unstable is the playground for such transitions. it's not sane to run unstable, especially if you have production deadlines. never use it as a server, of course.`
`01:05.29`	`abrotman`	`only 3GB ?`
`01:05.36`	`geo-rge`	`mikearthur: having said that, you can get similar effect by building the packages yourself. this is also not a success guarantee; binaries produced could have bugs that would only be fixed by determining and fixing the problem in the source and then rebuilding`
`01:05.38`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: where are you storing mail ?`
`01:05.39`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: sorry, almost missed your comment... but yeah, that's what I've been using... and it shows my printer... but when I try to print a test page nothing happens, it just sits in the queue`
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`01:05.42`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: not really. Cups is a print server, foomatic is drivers.`
`01:05.49`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: ahh`
`01:06.00`	`mikearthur`	`delire: yeh, I'm running etch on my server. This is just on a personal home desktop`
`01:06.05`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: Configuration should show as "parallel:/dev/lp0"?`
`01:06.14`	`delire`	`mikearthur: even etch on a server isn't sane.`
`01:06.18`	`Guerin`	`twobitsprite: hty overlap, but basically, what you need to know is that you can use localhost:631 to set printers up once you have cupsys installed`
`01:06.18`	`mikearthur`	`delire: think I'll go for testing, thanks for the advice`
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`01:06.31`	`EmeraldCat`	`abrotman: I would like to store mail in the users /home directory if that is at all possible.`
`01:06.39`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: depends on the MTA`
`01:06.50`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: yep`
`01:06.52`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: is that WRT webmin?`
`01:06.53`	`mikearthur`	`delire: I need PHP5 and MySQL5 for a really low-hit domain`
`01:07.00`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: yes`
`01:07.10`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: Confirm that the printer is also configured for LPT / parallel port config.`
`01:07.12`	`belkin`	`is net-drivers.img the image i have to put on my floppy to be able to boot and make a net install ?`
`01:07.13`	`geo-rge`	`delire: etch isn't as bad as you imply however,,, but for a mail server there are plenty of working packages in sarge/stable that he could use`
`01:07.21`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: nttbomk, since nobody can be arsed herding all those cats`
`01:07.34`	`delire`	`mikearthur: debian is all about Stable. when Etch becomes Stable, run it. think of testing and unstable as training grounds for building the reliability that is Stable.`
`01:07.40`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: how do I do that? (i.e. I don't see anything like that in the web page)`
`01:07.49`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: gar!@ :P ... thanks anyways :)`
`01:07.53`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: Usually front control panel.`
`01:08.03`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: RTF printer manual.`
`01:08.03`	`mikearthur`	`delire: I appreciate that, thanks`
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`01:08.09`	`delire`	`mikearthur: no probs.`
`01:08.31`	`mikearthur`	`delire: still, debian's ideas of testing are probably similar to gentoo's of stable anyway :p`
`01:08.38`	`EmeraldCat`	`Guerin: Even with no X-apps I should still set /usr to 3 GB?`
`01:08.54`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: it depends on your usage, but I would do so.`
`01:08.57`	`delire`	`mikearthur: right, i hardly know anything about Gentoo.`
`01:09.00`	`limpio`	`hi all, anybody knows how to hide the title bar in blackbox, nobody answers at #blackbox`
`01:09.13`	`MatBoy`	`delire, thanks! runs great !`
`01:09.18`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: I've read plenty of manuals... all of them leave me hanging saying "now you're all set up!" and I'm like "no I'm not..."`
`01:09.19`	`geo-rge`	`mikearthur: that's possible, but comparison is increasingly difficult as you zoom into the details more and more`
`01:09.21`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: are you going to have shell users on that machine? If not, why not leave / and /usr together`
`01:09.21`	`EmeraldCat`	`abrotman: MTA?`
`01:09.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`mikearthur: you can mix testing and unstable - if you apply caution`
`01:09.31`	`karsten`	`twobitsprite: Sorry!`
`01:09.38`	`delire`	`mikearthur: i'm one of those boring people that came across Debian several years ago never even considered changing.`
`01:09.39`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: whichever mail server you use`
`01:09.41`	`mikearthur`	`thanks all`
`01:09.43`	`abrotman`	`!tell karsten about away`
`01:09.49`	`streuner`	`hehe`
`01:09.57`	`geo-rge`	`EmeraldCat: you might read the book "Sendmail" publ by orielly`
`01:10.00`	`karsten`	`abrotman: That's a manual you sh*t.`
`01:10.00`	`delire`	`abrotman: quotable`
`01:10.05`	`twobitsprite`	`karsten: thanks anyways`
`01:10.12`	`abrotman`	`karsten: it was still fun :)`
`01:10.19`	`geo-rge`	`to get specific ideas about what is what, and examples of what mail servers do`
`01:10.36`	`scruffy`	`limpio: I use devilspie to do that`
`01:10.39`	`geo-rge`	`sendmail is more of a table-driven parser than anything else`
`01:10.50`	`belkin`	`can i put debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso on a dvd ? will be able to boot from it ?`
`01:11.05`	`geo-rge`	`you can try that, sure`
`01:11.41`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: I find having /, /var, and /home to be a usable partition setup for most purposes.`
`01:11.41`	`delire`	`belkin: if you have a DVD drive it should be fine.`
`01:11.41`	`Guerin`	`belkin: should do. CD and DVD use the same filesystem (iso9660)`
`01:11.41`	`geo-rge`	`a cd blank will be cheaper tho`
`01:12.02`	`belkin`	`Guerin ok so i better go for that then Floppy`
`01:12.22`	`delire`	`belkin: eh?`
`01:12.37`	`limpio`	`scruffy, is that a separate app?`
`01:12.39`	`belkin`	`geo-rge i dont have any :( i was just thinking what i should do Floppy boot and net install or dvd image`
`01:12.41`	`EmeraldCat`	`jelly-home: The users expected to use the system will not be well versed in *nix, so unless splitting /usr will be advantageous for the machine/OS, I guess I shouldn't do it?`
`01:12.44`	`delire`	`belkin: only real advantage is the read speed`
`01:12.55`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: foomatic-gui didn't seem to help`
`01:13.18`	`twobitsprite`	`Guerin: I went through it's printer configuration thinger, but the test page doesn't print`
`01:13.23`	`geo-rge`	`belkin: you want what, etch?`
`01:13.25`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: if you have 20G with mail in /home, I'd do swap 500M, /boot 50M, / 2G, /usr /2G, /var 2G, /home the rest`
`01:13.27`	`scruffy`	`limpio: yes, but it does more than that. apt-cache show devilspie`
`01:13.39`	`belkin`	`geo-rge what would be better for a desktop user ?`
`01:13.51`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: what kind of printer?`
`01:13.59`	`twobitsprite`	`streuner: hp deskjet`
`01:14.00`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: it will be advantageous insecurity terms, but not necessarily much.`
`01:14.13`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install`
`01:14.15`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: systems that need to stay up, like kiosks, public terminals and servers really need to have /boot and /var and /home on separate partitions. personally i don't think /usr on a separate partition is critical, though it is wise.`
`01:14.19`	`geo-rge`	`belkin: depends -largely- on the specific desktop user :)`
`01:14.32`	`abrotman`	`i'd do 3-4GB for /usr`
`01:14.33`	`geo-rge`	`what are the kinds of things you will want to do?`
`01:14.45`	`abrotman`	`though .. i do have X installed`
`01:14.49`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: you could also split off /tmp, but again, it depends whether much will be used for it`
`01:14.50`	`belkin`	`geo-rge one like me ;) which doesnt know a lot of things in linux err debian`
`01:15.02`	`delire`	`s/is\ critical/is\ as\ critical/`
`01:15.13`	`geo-rge`	`belkin: ok... so: what do you want to learn first?`
`01:15.15`	`belkin`	`geo-rge so basic i dont want it tu run a server or something , normal use like`
`01:15.28`	`Guerin`	belkin: wtf is `normal'
`01:15.31`	`belkin`	`geo-rge well yeah with the time but also use it :)`
`01:15.45`	`geo-rge`	`for unix-alikes, the normal use -was- servers :)`
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`01:15.53`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: still is`
`01:15.55`	`belkin`	`Guerin normal is like any other human, watch movies listen to my music stuff like this :)`
`01:16.04`	`EmeraldCat`	`Guerin: The server will also serve out webpages on the WWW. Doesn't Apache keep webpages in /var? So, shouldn't I at least set /var to 4 GB?`
`01:16.07`	`Guerin`	`belkin: that's not normal in unix terms.`
`01:16.09`	`belkin`	`Guerin mozilla plugins so i can watch pornos online ;)`
`01:16.19`	`limpio`	`scruffy, thx, i installed it, reading the man`
`01:16.23`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: yes, that could be useful.`
`01:16.34`	`Guerin`	`belkin: definitely abnormal.`
`01:16.34`	`EmeraldCat`	`delire: ok.`
`01:16.37`	`geo-rge`	`belkin: you can run sarge for that, and occasionally rebuild mplayer`
`01:16.41`	`streuner`	`Guerin: haha`
`01:16.52`	`belkin`	`Guerin ;))`
`01:17.03`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: or you could use LVM :)`
`01:17.06`	`Guerin`	`streuner: seriously ... playing video in a browser ... it ain't right.`
`01:17.20`	`geo-rge`	`that's one of the normal uses (server) another is programming/developing`
`01:17.34`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: if you end up with GB's of web pages then i would make /var/www its own partition`
`01:17.42`	`scruffy`	`limpio: as an example, in the ~/.devilspie/default.ds, you can do this if you use aterm: (if (matches (application_name) "aterm") (undecorate))`
`01:17.48`	`streuner`	`Guerin: sure, but how are you able to say no, to all those Flash and stuff ...`
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`01:18.08`	`Guerin`	`streuner: i don't have to say no, my freedom from flash does it for me`
`01:18.08`	`belkin`	`geo-rge is etch stable release ?`
`01:18.22`	`geo-rge`	`streuner: that was discussed around half hour ago`
`01:18.27`	`geo-rge`	`and.. I gotta go`
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`01:18.48`	`streuner`	`geo-rge: i missed that :-P`
`01:18.48`	`twobitsprite`	`streuner: hmm... on the "connection" section of the howto on that site... it says to tail -f /var/log/messages and plug the printer in, and it would spew a bunch of stuf... well, I tried that, and I didn't get that stuff, does that mean my print is busted?`
`01:19.04`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: if it's a big webserver, with many users, then serve each site, and all their other data, from each user's $HOME and modify your httpd.conf accordingly.`
`01:19.10`	`belkin`	`geo-rge looks like its testing :)`
`01:19.10`	`MatBoy`	`delire, it's indeed faster`
`01:19.16`	`EmeraldCat`	`grummund: I won't have GBs of webpages, but I would like to have room to grow, just in case. ;)`
`01:19.16`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: that refers to USB NOT paraell`
`01:19.18`	`delire`	`MatBoy: yes it is.`
`01:19.22`	`Guerin`	`delire: i do that, mostly`
`01:19.29`	`MatBoy`	`delire, no flickering anymore`
`01:19.33`	`twobitsprite`	`streuner: ahh... it didn't say that...`
`01:19.36`	`Guerin`	`delire: it can be a pain in the arse to keep hold of, though`
`01:19.37`	`MatBoy`	`between "clicks"`
`01:19.39`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: how big is the hdd?`
`01:19.48`	`delire`	`Guerin: yes, but in other respects it seems to scale well`
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`01:20.06`	`Guerin`	`i designed my initial setup quite badly, and now it's a bastard to manage`
`01:20.08`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: is this going to be a web hosting machine where the users are going to have their own domains and virtual web hosts?`
`01:20.16`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: if you don't need it all now then just leave some unallocated`
`01:20.17`	`EmeraldCat`	`delire: The server will be for a small non-profit, with about 6 users max, logged in at any one time.`
`01:20.23`	`Guerin`	`ie: I set up a separate user account for each site, instead of for each admin.`
`01:20.27`	`Guerin`	`this was a mistake`
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`01:20.42`	`EmeraldCat`	`grummund: The HDD's cap. is 20GB.`
`01:20.54`	`grummund`	`hmmm`
`01:21.01`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: check out linuxprinting.org and look for the driver for your printer, install the driver and read those tips and trics. Besides, most of the drivers are already in debian`
`01:21.14`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: also, install everything of CUPS`
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`01:21.51`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: personally i would give them each a $HOME and serve from there accordingly. 6 users isn't much to keep track of. you can, of course, give them a ~/Mail etc too.`
`01:21.56`	`twobitsprite`	`streuner: nevermind... I think I got it working... after all of the packages I've installed, something different showed up, and now I have a test page printing :)`
`01:22.16`	`streuner`	`twobitsprite: oh, good work :-)`
`01:22.16`	`limpio`	`scruffy: gotcha! thx a lot, pal`
`01:22.22`	`scruffy`	`limpio: no sweat`
`01:22.31`	`EmeraldCat`	`jelly-home: The server will serve out the orgs. main webpage, and users' personal webpages.`
`01:22.38`	`EmeraldCat`	`delire: ok, sounds good.`
`01:22.39`	`twobitsprite`	`streuner, Guerin, karsten: thanks for all your help! :)`
`01:22.50`	`belkin`	`after base installation of Debian to get gui gnome all i have to do is run apt-get gnome ?`
`01:23.05`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: this also allows you to back up each project on a per-user basis, mail, site and all.`
`01:23.19`	`Guerin`	belkin: choose `Desktop' in the installer package selection
`01:23.20`	`belkin`	`ls there anything else i might need to run to get GUI`
`01:23.25`	`delire`	`EmeraldCat: in 'one-go' i should say.`
`01:23.29`	`belkin`	`Guerin ok thanks`
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`01:24.28`	`yassine`	`how can i re-configure zaptel package ? via aptitude or apt please ?`
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`01:25.25`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: why would you reconfigure it?`
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`01:26.05`	`EmeraldCat`	`The final partitions: /boot = 50MB, / = 2 GB, /usr = 2 GB, /var = 4 GB, /home = 11 GB, SWAP = 500MB.`
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`01:26.13`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, for some reason it fails to install zaptel the module so when i try modprobe zaptel the system says there is no such module`
`01:26.17`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: zaptel support is split in a number of packages. I can only help if you need to recompile the kernel drivers.`
`01:26.23`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: ah.`
`01:26.35`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: have you upgraded the kernel lately?`
`01:26.37`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: for a web server, bump / to 3G or make a separate /tmp partition`
`01:26.50`	`Guerin`	`but that's sane otherwise`
`01:26.57`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: just bear in mind the more partitions the more wastage. tbh, for 20GB hdd i would be inclined to make a single / partition, but it's your call based on total expected usage`
`01:27.05`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, Linux coeur2lion 2.6.8-3-386 #1 Sat Jul 15 09:26:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux`
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`01:28.32`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l kernel-image-$(uname -r) zaptel\*`
`01:28.43`	`pstickne`	`KDE mime/file-type association is so broken`
`01:28.47`	`yassine`	`one sec please`
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`01:29.32`	`EmeraldCat`	`grummund: Well, the more partitions, the more the data is isolated from 'catastrophic' crashes/errors in other partitions. Right?`
`01:29.36`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/ieGi6264.html`
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`01:29.54`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: yes`
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`01:31.02`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: but it's tricky to get the sizes right`
`01:31.06`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: do you have module-assistant and kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 installed?`
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`01:31.27`	`marinosi`	`does hibernate works well with Etch?for me not so good..`
`01:31.36`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: if you do, run "m-a a-i zaptel" as root`
`01:32.31`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: as an alternative strategy, do what ppl say about /, /home, /var, but leave 8GB or so until you know where it's needed`
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`01:33.23`	`EmeraldCat`	`The final final partitions: /boot = 50MB, / = 2 GB, /tmp = 1 GB, /var = 4 GB, /usr = 2 GB, /home = 10 GB, SWAP = 500MB. Whew!`
`01:33.36`	`abrotman`	`use LVM`
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`01:34.01`	`EmeraldCat`	`grummund: I could resize the partitions later?`
`01:34.08`	`EmeraldCat`	`LVM?`
`01:34.18`	`abrotman`	`!lvm`
`01:34.18`	`dpkg`	`[lvm] at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo`
`01:34.20`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, i have this : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2007-01-15 10:04 linux -> kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 in /usr/src/`
`01:34.27`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: lose /tmp, make it a symlink to /var/tmp and save the 1G`
`01:34.31`	`amphi`	`marinosi: works fine here (if you mean suspend-to-disk)`
`01:34.47`	`yassine`	`but when i run the command above it claims the needed kernel is not found`
`01:34.48`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: well, the m-a should compile and install the zaptel drivers again`
`01:35.34`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, it does fails and even if i do set --kernel-dir /usr/src/linux/ it fials`
`01:35.43`	`yassine`	`s/fials/fails/`
`01:36.23`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: hm, what about "dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686", is it the same version as kernel-image-... ?`
`01:36.41`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: that is, 2.6.8-16sarge4`
`01:36.52`	`yassine`	`No packages found matching kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686.`
`01:36.57`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: also don't bother with /boot imho (for your needs) also i found separate /boot is borked on etch`
`01:37.11`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, would you suggest a kernel upgrade ?`
`01:37.13`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: sorry "dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386"`
`01:37.45`	`yassine`	`No packages found matching kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386.`
`01:37.55`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: install it, then.`
`01:38.06`	`yassine`	`okay one sec`
`01:38.54`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386`
`01:39.13`	`yassine`	`maybe now linux-headers- ... ?`
`01:39.27`	`grummund`	`EmeraldCat: you cant easily resize, but keeping some spare gives the flexibilty to reallocate.`
`01:39.41`	`abrotman`	`LVM`
`01:39.53`	`grummund`	`hmmm`
`01:39.54`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: funny. which release of Debian are you running? dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`01:40.19`	`abrotman`	`if he would use LVM .. there'd be no more of this "What size partition" crap that has been going on for an hour`
`01:40.28`	`yassine`	`jelly-home, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries`
`01:40.30`	`grummund`	`heh..`
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`01:41.09`	`grummund`	`but then therelvm questions instead`
`01:41.15`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: so you have a testing/unstable machine with an old 386 kernel from stable`
`01:41.37`	`yassine`	`its a machine that i upgraded from sarge to etch`
`01:41.40`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: a kernel upgrade would definitely be suggested`
`01:41.54`	`yassine`	`any special kernels ?`
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`01:42.05`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: dunno, what hardware do you have?`
`01:42.14`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: cpu?`
`01:42.18`	`yassine`	`p3`
`01:43.07`	`yassine`	`model name : Celeron (Coppermine)`
`01:43.07`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 zaptel-source`
`01:43.14`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: that should get you up to date`
`01:43.45`	`yassine`	`okay thanks`
`01:43.51`	`yassine`	`installing right now`
`01:44.23`	`jelly-home`	`yassine: after you reboot with the new kernel and confirm it works, try m-a a-i zaptel again`
`01:44.33`	`yassine`	`okay`
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`01:46.17`	`EmeraldCat`	`Sorry grummund, I'm unregistered, so I can't msg you. Here's what I have (following your suggestions) / = 3 GB, /tmp -> /var/tmp, /var = 4 GB, /usr = 2 GB, /home = 11 GB, SWAP = 500MB.`
`01:47.21`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: might as well put / and /usr together ;-)`
`01:47.37`	`h3sp4wn`	`EmeraldCat: if you are that unsure you could use lvm`
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`01:48.11`	`h3sp4wn`	`and then move them around if you need to`
`01:48.24`	`EmeraldCat`	`I actually liked this setup: /boot = 50MB, / = 2 GB, /tmp = 1 GB, /var = 4 GB, /usr = 2 GB, /home = 10 GB, SWAP = 500MB. Nice and clean.`
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`01:48.47`	`EmeraldCat`	`h3sp4wn: I'll look into LVM.`
`01:49.22`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: the latter looks a bit nicer. :-)`
`01:49.45`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: is this a real machine or a virtual one?`
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`01:50.12`	`EmeraldCat`	`real.`
`01:50.16`	`Azar`	`anyone using the deb openbox here?`
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`01:50.41`	`scruffy`	`Azar: I do, what's the question?`
`01:50.43`	`Cyis`	`I really only bother with multiple partitions like that if it's going to be a multi-user server... desktop or laptop I don't bother with anything more than putting /home on it's own partions... other than that i do a /, /boot and swap`
`01:51.06`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: good placement of swap on an old 20GB disk might have some (minor) performance benefits`
`01:51.12`	`Azar`	`thanks scruffy, I have the feeling I am doing something wrong: installing packages from an xterm then openbox does not add them to the menu`
`01:51.35`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: I think beginning of disk is faster for IDE disks.`
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`01:51.37`	`Azar`	`had removed packages still showing in the openbox menu, while new ones never added`
`01:51.55`	`pepo`	`hi friends`
`01:51.57`	`scruffy`	`Azar: right click in the workspace somewhere, then see if you have a 'Reconfigure' option. If so, click it.`
`01:52.15`	`EmeraldCat`	`jelly-home: Oh, I always put it physically _last_. (I thought /boot should be first?)`
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`01:52.26`	`Azar`	`scruffy: that's the point, I have Reconfigure but clicking on it -- nothing happens`
`01:52.47`	`Azar`	`..tried several times...`
`01:53.03`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: /boot then swap, then?`
`01:53.07`	`scruffy`	`Azar: hmm. see if ~/.config/openbox/debian-menu.xml has been updated`
`01:53.25`	`scruffy`	`Azar: brb`
`01:53.30`	`Azar`	`ok`
`01:53.47`	`_pepo_`	`please, how do I can make a tunnel between two IPv6 addresses? Just like OpenVPN with IPv4`
`01:53.58`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: but putting it last is the worst choice, if it ever runs into heavy swapping`
`01:54.20`	`EmeraldCat`	`then /tmp after SWAP?`
`01:54.53`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: sure, why not.`
`01:55.24`	`scruffy`	`Azar: is it being updated (the .xml menu)?`
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`01:56.58`	`scruffy`	`Azar: make sure /etc/menu-methods/openbox also exists, then try update-menus -v --menumethod openbox`
`01:57.23`	`EmeraldCat`	`jelly-home: how about (in order): /boot, SWAP, /var, /usr, /tmp, /home, / ? (I should put the most frequently used closer to the beginning?)`
`01:58.06`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: Uh, I don't care that much about the order, only for swap.`
`01:58.18`	`EmeraldCat`	`Oh, ok. ;)`
`01:58.39`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: /boot, swap, / /usr /tmp /var /home or something like that`
`01:59.41`	`EmeraldCat`	`Why do only SWAP and /boot positions matter?`
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`02:00.50`	`jelly-home`	`even /boot isn't really relevant these days. I was back when BIOS couldn't access a partition after 8GB or 32GB, but that's not the case these days`
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`02:02.41`	`pstickne`	`I have a /home partition.`
`02:02.44`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: swap is kinda important if the memory gets hogged`
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`02:03.30`	`jelly-home`	`EmeraldCat: but I can't show you any hard numbers, so don't take it too seriously`
`02:03.42`	`EmeraldCat`	`ok. :)`
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`02:04.43`	`abrotman`	`LVM!`
`02:05.07`	`abrotman`	`the swap is probably best closest to the most other heavily used parition`
`02:05.12`	`pstickne`	`I don't even have swap enabled here.`
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`02:05.23`	`pstickne`	`Then again, I have 1.5GB of RAM and my load doesn't come close to using it.`
`02:05.52`	`pstickne`	`But that one time when I ran the endlessly recursive program I was working on with no limits .... :(`
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`02:06.59`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite [1]EmeraldCat`
`02:07.34`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`Ahh...My ISP just kicked my off, that's all!`
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`02:07.44`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`*me`
`02:07.58`	`abrotman`	`[1]EmeraldCat: admit it .. you dropped a cheesesteak on your router!`
`02:08.02`	`cstrippie`	`Hey all - A freind recommended I try out debian testing, and I would like to do so. My problem is that I have a fairly slow connect for downloading four cd's. For a simple desktop install are all four cd's needed?`
`02:08.24`	`jello`	`cstrippie: start with a net-install and then install only what you need`
`02:08.29`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`abrotman: I use lowly dial-up. ;)`
`02:08.30`	`MatBoy`	`cstrippie, download the net-install`
`02:08.39`	`abrotman`	`[1]EmeraldCat: on uu.net ?`
`02:08.51`	`MatBoy`	`jello, but maube he has more when he has already all CD's`
`02:08.54`	`MatBoy`	`difficult`
`02:08.57`	`pstickne`	`cstrippie, I'd just use a download-resumer to download and burn a CD`
`02:08.57`	`cstrippie`	`Ol - thanks both.`
`02:08.59`	`MatBoy`	`*maybe`
`02:09.28`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`no. Some mom-and-pops ISP.`
`02:09.37`	`abrotman`	`--> [1]EmeraldCat (i=HydraIRC@1Cust7220.an3.phl18.da.uu.net) has joined #debian`
`02:10.09`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, every ISP has dailup`
`02:10.25`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`What _is_ uu.net ?`
`02:10.36`	`MatBoy`	`uunet was uu.net`
`02:10.37`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: no .. they don't`
`02:10.45`	`MatBoy`	`it's Verizon now`
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`02:10.52`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, than you have a bad one`
`02:11.04`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: i dont' have an ISP`
`02:11.18`	`MatBoy`	`abelle, you have your carrier @ home ?`
`02:11.28`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: it's part of my rent .. not in my name`
`02:11.37`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`I must go. Thanks again for all the help.`
`02:11.51`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, still you are connected by an ISP ;)`
`02:12.03`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: no .. i'm connected to my landlord`
`02:12.04`	`[1]EmeraldCat`	`Goodbye. (From me and my ghost EmeraldCat. ;)`
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`02:12.17`	`MatBoy`	`he has an ISP :P`
`02:12.25`	`abrotman`	`MatBoy: and theree are places around this area that include internet as rent .. so like 30 apartments on a DSL line`
`02:12.28`	`MatBoy`	`or when you are @ university you are to a carrier :)`
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`02:12.46`	`MatBoy`	`abrotman, ok, but still than... you are on a ISP ;)`
`02:12.51`	`MatBoy`	`no ISP is no internet :)`
`02:12.54`	`abrotman`	`so when your internet is out .. you call your rental office .. not the ISP`
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`02:13.01`	`MatBoy`	`yeah ok`
`02:13.06`	`MatBoy`	`and they call the ISP :P`
`02:13.18`	`abrotman`	`that's fine .. it's not my ISP`
`02:13.29`	`MatBoy`	`no not "yours" indeed`
`02:13.45`	`pppoe_dude`	`theoretically, you can have internet with no ISP`
`02:13.51`	`pppoe_dude`	`*ISPs`
`02:13.53`	`Azar`	`scuffy thanks a lot! it works :)`
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`02:13.59`	`MatBoy`	`pppoe_dude, how ?`
`02:14.05`	`MatBoy`	`directly on a carrier ?`
`02:14.15`	`MatBoy`	`that is possible`
`02:14.27`	`delire`	`i think there is potentially a market for equipping homes with storage space. "Your 100 sqm apartment comes with floor to ceiling windows, wooden floors, access to all major amenities, fileserver and a terabyte of redundant storage".`
`02:14.30`	`pppoe_dude`	`MatBoy, if all the neighborhoods had a "central router" and each neighborhood was connected to the other`
`02:14.40`	`pppoe_dude`	`and each city connected to the other`
`02:14.41`	`MatBoy`	`pppoe_dude, yeah indeed`
`02:14.47`	`pppoe_dude`	`and so on...`
`02:15.07`	`pppoe_dude`	`so it would probably be a municipal thing that way`
`02:15.09`	`MatBoy`	`Give me Level3 and I'm happy :D`
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`02:19.27`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`02:19.37`	`abrotman`	`tard just told me it wasn't possible`
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`02:21.36`	`grndslm`	`would a core 2 duo be considered a pentium 4m?? Trying to setup apt-build...`
`02:22.10`	`stoned`	`huh?`
`02:22.34`	`stoned`	`its just i386 man`
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`02:23.02`	`grndslm`	`well, when setting up apt-build...it asks for pen 1, 2, 3, 3m, 4, 4m, prescott, & somethin' else`
`02:23.15`	`grndslm`	`i'm assuming it's 3m or 4m...`
`02:23.40`	`stoned`	`ahh`
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`02:23.58`	`tengulre`	`what's error messages when I complie kernel 2.6.19 under debian? 'Kernel Panic: VFS....mount root.."?`
`02:24.31`	`jello`	`tengulre: you didn't either: a) use an initrd b) compile in support for your root fs`
`02:26.21`	`abrotman`	`tengulre: it means you screwed up`
`02:28.37`	`tengulre`	`:(`
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`02:29.30`	`tengulre`	`jello, abrotman: my machine support SATA , but I using gernel IDE disk.`
`02:29.44`	`abrotman`	`apparently not :)`
`02:29.45`	`jello`	`abrotman: i think i like your explanation better :)`
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`02:30.19`	`abrotman`	`jello: it's a technically superior explaination :)`
`02:30.29`	`delire`	`hehe`
`02:32.36`	`jello`	`bah, #amarok is worthless...`
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`02:33.54`	`jelly-home`	`jello: how so?`
`02:34.05`	`delire`	`jello: amarok seems popular among KDE users. perhaps try a KDE channel.`
`02:34.22`	`jello`	`jelly-home: lots of peoplel there, no one responds to questions (not just mine either...)`
`02:34.32`	`jello`	`people even`
`02:34.59`	`jelly-home`	`jello: maybe you're in the worng timezone and everybody that matters is away`
`02:35.25`	`Guerin`	`for some reason i'd always presumed jelly-home and jello were the same person`
`02:35.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`what's a good calendar/todo manager for gnome?`
`02:35.36`	`jelly-home`	`they're not`
`02:35.52`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: you would say that.`
`02:36.00`	`jelly-home`	`At least I'm not, maybe he is.`
`02:36.02`	`jello`	`Guerin: as would i :)`
`02:36.25`	`Guerin`	`see ... you are the same`
`02:36.32`	`jelly-home`	`jello: are you the same person?`
`02:36.38`	`jello`	`jelly-home: we've been found out!`
`02:36.41`	`jello`	`jelly-home: run!`
`02:36.43`	`jelly-home`	`shush`
`02:37.23`	`Guerin`	`awright, i actually have a technical question for a change`
`02:37.32`	`Guerin`	`hm, what happens if you fold(1) mail before smtp, if some of the header lines get folded and no longer make sense?`
`02:37.33`	`jello`	`are those allowed in here??`
`02:37.47`	`Guerin`	`such as In-Reply-To: <OFF5A2C126.3AB1105A-ONCC257263.007F36E1-CC257263.007F826C@bnz.co.nz>, which is way more than 72 characters`
`02:38.23`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: if your receiving MTA is written by djb, all bets are off`
`02:38.30`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`02:38.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`...`
`02:38.48`	`jello`	`Guerin: i think if the header wraps, the continuations must be indented`
`02:38.51`	`mfrisch`	`SerajewelKS: evolution`
`02:39.08`	`jelly-home`	`for others, "be liberal in what you accept and strict about what you send"`
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`02:39.25`	`Orfeous`	`hi everyone! i got some 530 login problems with vsftpd`
`02:39.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: does that require an email account to be set up?`
`02:39.37`	`Guerin`	`mm, so that ain't going to work, then`
`02:39.39`	`Orfeous`	`i wonder if there are any package or something that doesnt allow me to login`
`02:39.45`	`jelly-home`	`but anyway, a MTA should accept headers up to 999 characters`
`02:39.52`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: they are the same people! .. it's just a game he plays`
`02:40.13`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: i already discovered this`
`02:40.13`	`Orfeous`	`the vsftpd config has been working for a long time until now`
`02:40.17`	`mfrisch`	`SerajewelKS: never tried but I would think not`
`02:40.25`	`jello`	`Orfeous: so what changed?`
`02:40.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: when i start it it gives me the new account wizard and won't let me skip... suppose i could put bogus shit in...`
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`02:41.35`	`Orfeous`	`jello: i have been updating the most of packages`
`02:41.38`	`mfrisch`	`SerajewelKS: why not use it for email too`
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`02:43.17`	`jello`	`!comfort jelly`
`02:43.17`	`dpkg`	`There, there, jelly. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`02:43.29`	`lib8264q`	`hello all :)`
`02:43.35`	`Orfeous`	`something with authorization isnt working correct`
`02:43.38`	`jello`	`!greet lib8264q`
`02:43.38`	`dpkg`	`Wassup, lib8264q`
`02:43.54`	`Orfeous`	`i just can figure out whats not working`
`02:44.13`	`lib8264q`	`nothing have a ? re install of debian based live cd`
`02:44.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: i already use icedove for email`
`02:44.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: don't really feel like migrating all of my folders`
`02:45.08`	`lib8264q`	`if i want to change the default re/keyboard region from us to uk what would i out into the line ?`
`02:45.19`	`jello`	`Orfeous: did you try turning on debug or verbose mode`
`02:45.23`	`jello`	`Orfeous: check the log files?`
`02:45.34`	`mfrisch`	`SerajewelKS: it imports. Except being novell's baby now its the best going. try Kontact or korganizer.`
`02:45.42`	`stoned`	`theres too many jelly's here`
`02:46.02`	`stoned`	`no just 3`
`02:46.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: nod, i used to use korganizer, now looking for something that will integrate with gnome better`
`02:46.12`	`jello`	`stoned: your just jealous because we're yummy and you're not... :)`
`02:46.15`	`stoned`	`jello, jelly, jelly-home`
`02:46.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`!your`
`02:46.18`	`dpkg`	`[your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are"`
`02:46.22`	`jelly-home`	`stoned: what have you been smoking?`
`02:46.25`	`stoned`	`jello, how can I go on living!`
`02:46.26`	`stoned`	`:)`
`02:46.52`	`stoned`	`sup`
`02:47.04`	`jello`	`SerajewelKS: i used it properly`
`02:47.05`	`stoned`	`jelly man`
`02:47.07`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: your getting sh1t today`
`02:47.08`	`stoned`	`its a lot of fun`
`02:47.16`	`stoned`	`I like jelly`
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`02:47.19`	`stoned`	`all kinda`
`02:47.23`	`stoned`	`ky too`
`02:47.24`	`stoned`	`sometimes`
`02:47.29`	`stoned`	`I mean kentucky`
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`02:47.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`jello: no. "your just jealous"`
`02:47.51`	`stoned`	`actually`
`02:47.54`	`jello`	`SerajewelKS: ah, missed that one`
`02:47.56`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: your are not a hillrat ky person are you`
`02:47.57`	`stoned`	`"you are just jealous" works`
`02:48.02`	`stoned`	`so should you're`
`02:48.09`	`stoned`	`then again you're is a possessive something`
`02:48.23`	`stoned`	`I have no idea I failed grammar in each grade`
`02:48.29`	`stoned`	`j/k`
`02:48.29`	`jello`	`you're == contraction of you + are`
`02:48.40`	`jello`	`your == possessive form of you`
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`02:48.58`	`stoned`	`something like that anyways`
`02:49.07`	`stoned`	`why the fuck are we dicussing grammar?`
`02:49.07`	`Steven_M_`	`hi all`
`02:49.11`	`stoned`	`HI!!`
`02:49.25`	`lib8264q`	`anyone`
`02:49.28`	`lib8264q`	`?`
`02:49.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`stoned: because everyone seems to suck at it sometimes :)`
`02:49.46`	`Steven_M_`	`is the current stable version of debian faster than kubuntu edgy?`
`02:49.52`	`jello`	`lib8264q: dpkg-reconfigure console-common or somesuch...`
`02:50.00`	`jello`	`lib8264q: that's my guess`
`02:50.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`Steven_M_: i don't think either is "faster"`
`02:50.10`	`jelly-home`	`Steven_M_: what do you mean by "faster"?`
`02:50.22`	`stoned`	`Steven_M_, IMPE I have found debian to be 10x faster if not more`
`02:50.27`	`lib8264q`	`cool any help would be wrelcomed as im new to *nix`
`02:50.32`	`stoned`	`that is compared to ubutnu, load times, boot times, etc.`
`02:50.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`!beat stoned`
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`02:50.40`	`stoned`	`dapper was horribly slow`
`02:50.48`	`stoned`	`even worse than the last one`
`02:50.55`	`stoned`	`debian is god king`
`02:51.02`	`stoned`	`and goddess queen etc. of linux`
`02:51.14`	`stoned`	`do yourself a favor and install debian`
`02:51.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`Steven_M_: see what happens when you ask if one distro is better than another, in one of those distros' channels?`
`02:51.36`	`stoned`	`all your problems in life will go away, then just find a good woman`
`02:51.37`	`ice799`	`hey guys -- i am installing debian using the netinst i386 etch image... I've installed debian before without problems, but I have a really interesting hardware setup this time and I'm running into a few snags`
`02:51.38`	`stoned`	`or man`
`02:51.43`	`stoned`	`whatever floats your boat`
`02:52.12`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: your strange`
`02:52.13`	`Steven_M_`	`SerajewelKS: sorry`
`02:52.18`	`ice799`	`I have a raid volume comprised of 2 320GB SATA-2 disks a raid0 that uses ICH7`
`02:52.23`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, you have no idea`
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`02:52.35`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I try to come off as goofy and stupid.. get used to me`
`02:52.44`	`ice799`	`and i have a third 320GB disk. When I do the installation and install GRUB and try to boot, I get a GRUB Error 21`
`02:52.47`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: I can relate`
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`02:53.16`	`pengunix`	`hi`
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`02:53.38`	`ice799`	`I was able to bring the system back up in rescue and I would assume the problem is with my menu.lst but I don't know the options that I need to tweak to get debian to boot (debian resides on my 3rd non-raid disk)`
`02:53.48`	`Xptical`	`does anyone know a way to format a large partition as fat32 in debian?`
`02:54.04`	`pengunix`	`does anyone know how to burn from one DVD reader into TWO DVD burners?`
`02:54.10`	`stoned`	`well`
`02:54.21`	`pengunix`	`this is the ONE million $$ question`
`02:54.24`	`stoned`	`E21 usuallymeans that the disk does not exist or can't be found`
`02:54.45`	`stoned`	`bios related afaik`
`02:54.49`	`ice799`	`stoned, yeah I know I saw that on google`
`02:55.07`	`stoned`	`then again, afaik is quite limited`
`02:55.07`	`ice799`	`my disk is a SATA-2 disk`
`02:55.07`	`jello`	`drat, forgot the -v0 during debuild...`
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`02:55.15`	`ice799`	`which is something like /dev/scsi/... etc`
`02:55.36`	`jelly-home`	`Xptical: just like a small one? mkdosfs -F32 ...`
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`02:55.48`	`jello`	`ice799: did you build a custom kernel, or are you using one of the debian ones`
`02:55.51`	`yunhual111`	`hi, how can i get know if my network card work with promisc mode?`
`02:55.51`	`yunhual111`	`ifconfig ?`
`02:56.11`	`ice799`	`jello, using one of the debian ones... 2.6.17-something`
`02:56.12`	`Xptical`	`thanks`
`02:56.15`	`stoned`	`ice799, I've these before usually when I enable/disable my ide disks, I got a dual boot system`
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`02:56.32`	`ice799`	`stoned, yes same, but usually i just need to tweak root=`
`02:56.33`	`stoned`	`ice799, when it happens to me, I know why, and I can fix it, but I dunno about your setup`
`02:56.50`	`yunhual111`	`hi, how can i get know if my network card work with promisc mode?`
`02:56.54`	`ice799`	`yeah, i think it has something to do with the sata disks, this is my first system with sata disks`
`02:57.00`	`Guerin`	`yunhual111: try it and see`
`02:57.15`	`yunhual111`	`Guerin try what ?`
`02:58.21`	`madd_matt`	`yunhual111, try using it in promisc mode and see if it works`
`02:59.18`	`Guerin`	`it's the only way to be sure`
`02:59.45`	`stoned`	`ice799, etch?`
`02:59.55`	`jjazz`	`jelly: Hey, you helped me get a commandline on a deteriorating box on Friday. Just wanted to let you know that I got home, fiddled with it, finally bit the bullet and reseated the HD and rebooted. It's running like a champ now. Thanks again for your help.`
`03:00.12`	`yunhual111`	`i means sure my card can work with promisc mode, but i want to get know right is it work under promisc mode.`
`03:00.30`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: ooh, the guy with an old thinkpad right?`
`03:00.33`	`stoned`	`hehe promisc. mode`
`03:00.35`	`jello`	`EPARSE`
`03:00.36`	`ice799`	`stoned, yes`
`03:00.39`	`yunhual111`	`i want to check the status`
`03:00.41`	`stoned`	`I wish I could turn on the mode on some people`
`03:00.42`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: glad it worked out`
`03:00.43`	`stoned`	`:D`
`03:00.51`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: Yep. I've decided to start calling it the thinktank.`
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`03:01.17`	`stoned`	`what is a think pad?`
`03:01.27`	`stoned`	`you think with it? or something`
`03:01.56`	`stoned`	`stupid fucking name, stupid ibm`
`03:02.01`	`jelly-home`	`stoned: nice machines though`
`03:02.05`	`stoned`	`oh no doubt`
`03:02.10`	`stoned`	`no doubt`
`03:02.22`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: I've had a few of them. They're great. Not cheap, but great machines.`
`03:02.48`	`stoned`	`oh I get it, its a pad that thinks...? still pretty dumb. :)`
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`03:03.27`	`stoned`	`I mean, my dell inspiron does NOT inspire me to do.. well yes it does, makes me wanna throw in the toilet`
`03:03.47`	`stoned`	`haha, dell inspirons me to dislike it`
`03:03.49`	`stoned`	`wicked.`
`03:03.55`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: you got a dell?`
`03:04.02`	`stoned`	`dude I worked at dell`
`03:04.09`	`stoned`	`when I started I was making killer money`
`03:04.12`	`stoned`	`so happy`
`03:04.19`	`stoned`	`then I realized WHY I was making so much`
`03:04.31`	`stoned`	`cuz dell is evil and it steals from people selling shit products`
`03:04.33`	`stoned`	`so I qit`
`03:04.34`	`stoned`	`quit*`
`03:04.46`	`stoned`	`I was in sales btw`
`03:04.50`	`stoned`	`you can immagine my pain`
`03:05.12`	`mfrisch`	`and they're selling them to goto iraq`
`03:05.17`	`Guerin`	`stoned: oh, you quit?`
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`03:05.23`	`stoned`	`Guerin, yes`
`03:05.31`	`Guerin`	`!beer stoned`
`03:05.34`	`stoned`	`Guerin, moving to houston next month`
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`03:05.42`	`Guerin`	`stoned: funky.`
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`03:05.57`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: bring your gun`
`03:05.57`	`stoned`	`Guerin, gonna do some admin work here, trying to send resume's left and right`
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`03:06.52`	`Guerin`	`stoned: polish yer tex skilz`
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`03:07.05`	`Guerin`	`stoned: do your resume once and mung it into a hundred different formats FTW`
`03:07.12`	`stoned`	`Guerin, my tech skills in unix env. are not so good`
`03:07.20`	`stoned`	`since I am mostly a desktop user for me`
`03:07.32`	`stoned`	`in the world, decent money and job market is with MS`
`03:07.33`	`Guerin`	`not tech`
`03:07.38`	`Guerin`	`TeX`
`03:07.43`	`stoned`	`why`
`03:07.50`	`Guerin`	`because it's the win`
`03:07.53`	`stoned`	`oh yeah`
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`03:08.06`	`Guerin`	`!confuse stoned`
`03:08.06`	`dpkg`	`No, those is your bacon yesterday, stoned? pants of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste`
`03:08.09`	`jelly-home`	`it's teh tool to write papers, apparently`
`03:08.09`	`mfrisch`	`or kile at least`
`03:08.38`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: this term I've moved wholesale from openoffice to emacs+auctex`
`03:08.40`	`stoned`	`I like abiword?`
`03:08.49`	`Guerin`	`and bibtex, and jurabib FTW`
`03:08.52`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: dude`
`03:08.57`	`stoned`	`why am I asking you if I like abiword`
`03:09.00`	`stoned`	`thats just stupid`
`03:09.03`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: like, y'knoow`
`03:09.03`	`stoned`	`doh`
`03:09.45`	`jelly-home`	`and me with my compatible Crossover + M$ Office 97`
`03:09.45`	`mfrisch`	`abiword makes good .doc files`
`03:09.45`	`stoned`	`Guerin, I went to school for 1 year studying information security`
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`03:09.49`	`stoned`	`Guerin, I got bored and changed my carreer and went to music`
`03:09.51`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: you lose.`
`03:09.56`	`stoned`	`I dunno wtf I want`
`03:10.04`	`stoned`	`its proabably why I waste time online`
`03:10.25`	`Guerin`	`stoned: seems fair. I toyed withthe idea of IT, decided I coud't be arsed, and have been an underpaid oversilled libarts geek ever since`
`03:10.39`	`Guerin`	`over sKilled, though those skill don't really include typistry`
`03:10.47`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: OO.o wasn't compatible enough and they wanted me to write Powerpoints! For money!`
`03:10.48`	`stoned`	`I think i'll finish off my music degree`
`03:10.55`	`stoned`	`I'll just teach music`
`03:10.55`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: the bastards`
`03:10.59`	`stoned`	`I like it, I enjoy it`
`03:11.07`	`stoned`	`I make ok money giving guitar lessons`
`03:11.16`	`stoned`	`I'm patient with kids/people`
`03:11.25`	`stoned`	`i think I'll make an excellent professor`
`03:11.29`	`Guerin`	`sounds like a good job, then`
`03:11.43`	`stoned`	`thanks`
`03:11.54`	`stoned`	`my folks are all rich multimillion air doctors yea`
`03:11.59`	`Guerin`	`i dunno about the US, but in NZ you don't get to be a professor without a PhD, a lot of postdoc research and a couple of decades in academia`
`03:12.03`	`stoned`	`they think if you're not a doctor or rich you can't be successful in life`
`03:12.05`	`abrotman`	`air doctors ?`
`03:12.11`	`stoned`	`they always put me down`
`03:12.19`	`stoned`	`also cuz my gf is med student`
`03:12.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: evolution seems to be good, i'll just ignore the email features`
`03:12.30`	`stoned`	`cousins, brother, dad/mom, uncles, aunts`
`03:12.32`	`stoned`	`its horrible man`
`03:12.39`	`Guerin`	`stoned: what does she think about you smoking an ounce a week?`
`03:12.41`	`stoned`	`all these indian/paki nerds turned doctors in usa`
`03:12.43`	`stoned`	`:(`
`03:12.47`	`mfrisch`	`SerajewelKS: there you go`
`03:12.50`	`stoned`	`Guerin, she dont' know nothin`
`03:12.54`	`stoned`	`:)`
`03:12.55`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`03:13.01`	`Guerin`	`you don't live together?`
`03:13.12`	`stoned`	`Guerin, shes in med school, karachi, pakistan`
`03:13.17`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`03:13.20`	`stoned`	`is like 25k cheape to go to school there`
`03:13.30`	`pingouin`	`apt-get install yourlife-package ;)`
`03:13.32`	`Guerin`	`but you're getting married soon`
`03:13.35`	`Guerin`	`shit, meet fan`
`03:13.39`	`stoned`	`lol`
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`03:13.42`	`stoned`	`haha`
`03:13.48`	`Guerin`	`but on the balance, I'd much rather be in Karachi than Houston`
`03:13.54`	`stoned`	`really?`
`03:13.55`	`stoned`	`why`
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`03:13.58`	`Guerin`	`fuck yeah`
`03:14.11`	`Guerin`	`well, having been to neither place ...`
`03:14.22`	`stoned`	`Karachi is nice`
`03:14.30`	`stoned`	`but its kinda crappy`
`03:14.33`	`mfrisch`	`can you get good hash there?`
`03:14.37`	`stoned`	`I mean its a 3rd world country man`
`03:14.40`	`stoned`	`how great could it be`
`03:14.43`	`stoned`	`now houston`
`03:14.46`	`stoned`	`you got white people`
`03:14.50`	`stoned`	`native americans`
`03:14.51`	`stoned`	`indians`
`03:14.52`	`Guerin`	`i like third world countries`
`03:14.54`	`stoned`	`mexicans`
`03:14.58`	`stoned`	`its fucking awesome down there`
`03:15.03`	`stoned`	`plus they get good coke`
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`03:15.11`	`Guerin`	`...`
`03:15.11`	`stoned`	`I mean`
`03:15.14`	`stoned`	`did I say that outloud`
`03:15.15`	`stoned`	`I meant cola`
`03:15.16`	`stoned`	`:D`
`03:15.18`	`Guerin`	`cherry, right?`
`03:15.23`	`stoned`	`indeed`
`03:15.25`	`madd_matt`	`Pepsi ftw`
`03:15.27`	`madd_matt`	`:P`
`03:15.33`	`abrotman`	`vanilla!`
`03:15.34`	`Guerin`	`beer > cola`
`03:15.43`	`stoned`	`vodka > rest`
`03:15.46`	`madd_matt`	`Rye > *`
`03:15.54`	`Guerin`	`cola has sugar and carbonic acids, it rots yer teet and gives you diabetes`
`03:15.55`	`stoned`	`rye`
`03:15.59`	`Guerin`	`beer, on the othe rhand ...`
`03:16.00`	`abrotman`	`eh .. this may sound weird .. but do other countries have different flavored fountain soda .. or is that just an american addiction ?`
`03:16.04`	`stoned`	`not unless you're talking about the fungus that grows on it`
`03:16.08`	`stoned`	`and produces lysergic acid`
`03:16.10`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: fountain soda?`
`03:16.21`	`stoned`	`no lysergic acid == rye sucks`
`03:16.23`	`stoned`	`:)`
`03:16.25`	`madd_matt`	`abrotman, yes. Canada does :P. I've seen it in germany too`
`03:16.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: do you know if evolution can do recurring to-dos?`
`03:16.33`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: you go to the "soda shop" and you order vanilla, cherry, etc .. and they make it in front of you`
`03:16.35`	`grndslm`	`anybody know why my track/touchpad will not select text by double tapping the pad & dragging my finger?? double clicking is no problem, and selecting with the button is no problem...but I'd like to not have to use the left-click button...`
`03:16.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`mfrisch: or tasks, as it calls them`
`03:16.47`	`abrotman`	`madd_matt: i'd figure canada would :)`
`03:16.52`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: don't get it here.`
`03:17.11`	`stoned`	`grndslm, I always use external mouse :\|`
`03:17.13`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: there's a hoagie/deli shop near me that has them .. old ladies make your sandwich and your soda :)`
`03:17.15`	`madd_matt`	`abrotman, come to think of it, i'm not actually sure i've seen it anywhere in canada :P`
`03:17.27`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: what laptop, and what brach of debian/?`
`03:17.29`	`abrotman`	`madd_matt: they have it in wisconsin .. close enough :)`
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`03:17.45`	`stoned`	`:\| :P :( :D`
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`03:18.12`	`stoned`	`abrotman, do you like potato?`
`03:18.27`	`stoned`	`not debian, veg.`
`03:18.37`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_fountain`
`03:18.38`	`grndslm`	`Guerin: Asus Z35F...and I'm actually running Edgy :-/ but that forum isn't useful`
`03:18.42`	`abrotman`	`stoned: like .. fries ?`
`03:18.48`	`minerale`	`I have dhcp setup on my wireless router and I have several pcs laying arund, I would like to be able to referr to them by name, how can I set it up?`
`03:18.48`	`stoned`	`no just potato`
`03:18.52`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: you lose.`
`03:18.54`	`stoned`	`the vegetable`
`03:19.00`	`stoned`	`any way its cooked`
`03:19.17`	`stoned`	`or certain distros of potato?`
`03:19.21`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: ask #ubuntu; i'd presume it should work with the stock synaptics driver, though - my stinkpad works fine. Also see linux-laptops.net`
`03:19.23`	`jelly-home`	`grndslm: no telling what the Ubuntu people have changed...`
`03:19.23`	`mfrisch`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:19.48`	`stoned`	`tatertots I like. I like potato in everyway shape and form as long as no one shoves up my butte`
`03:19.52`	`grndslm`	`no help as to how I'd go about configuring a touchpad....all of it is handled in xorg.conf??`
`03:20.00`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: yes.`
`03:20.02`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: wait .. maybe that was wrong`
`03:20.10`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: we told you hours ago to ask #ubuntu`
`03:20.21`	`Guerin`	grndslm: all further questions other than `how can I install debian?' can be dorected to #ubuntu
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`03:20.32`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_shop`
`03:20.41`	`stoned`	`Guerin, how can I not install debian?`
`03:20.49`	`stoned`	`does that question work?`
`03:20.57`	`Guerin`	`stoned: no.`
`03:20.59`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: i think you can figure it out from those two :)`
`03:21.01`	`stoned`	`not funny? yeh, my people were never good jokers`
`03:21.07`	`grndslm`	`ya ya....i ask things in #ubuntu, but they're apparently too advanced for anybody in that channel...`
`03:21.13`	`stoned`	`I apologize for the east indian lameness`
`03:21.32`	`grndslm`	`i'm just looking for general direction to touchpad config...if there's anyplace other than xorg.conf, i'd appreciate it if ya just nudged me in that direction`
`03:21.32`	`stoned`	`we're not a funny people`
`03:21.34`	`jello`	`grndslm: see thinkwiki.org`
`03:21.37`	`stoned`	`debian rules!`
`03:21.39`	`stoned`	`out`
`03:22.12`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: GO TO #ubuntu`
`03:22.12`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: definitely not a NZ thing`
`03:22.12`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: we're here to support Debian .. not all its derivatives`
`03:22.12`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: try norwegians`
`03:22.24`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: though someone could probaby make a mint if they opened one up serving booze and such`
`03:22.29`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: if you don't like the support you get from Ubuntu .. tell them about it .. pick another distro and install it`
`03:22.53`	`grndslm`	`abrotman: understood...`
`03:22.55`	`stoned`	`abrotman, s/another distro/debian`
`03:22.58`	`stoned`	`:)`
`03:23.10`	`abrotman`	`i don't care .. as long as he either installs debian or stops asking us`
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`03:23.16`	`stoned`	`lol`
`03:23.22`	`jelly-home`	`grndslm: I guess you'll want to install the synaptics driver (if it's not already there), then mess with it. How is this done in edgy is for you to find out`
`03:23.29`	`abrotman`	`god damn it`
`03:23.35`	`stoned`	`jelly-home, no dude`
`03:23.41`	`quique`	`hi averybody .. good nigth`
`03:23.41`	`grndslm`	`abrotman: it just seems like you could ignore my question, no?`
`03:23.42`	`stoned`	`its not that we don't want to help him`
`03:23.54`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: NO .. THIS IS NOT FOR UBUNTU SUPPORT`
`03:23.56`	`stoned`	`its that .. gah this is hard to explain`
`03:24.00`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`so, apparently Nvidia breaks Xorg v7`
`03:24.01`	`stoned`	`abrotman, wanna take it from here?`
`03:24.10`	`Guerin`	`mm, the battery life on this laptop is about two thirds that under windows`
`03:24.14`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: please go before you're forced`
`03:24.38`	`jello`	`abrotman: that's a bit unnecessary, if s/he just lurks...`
`03:24.43`	`grndslm`	`i've moved on from the touchpad problem and am wondering why i should install debian over ubuntu now...`
`03:24.48`	`abrotman`	`jello: he's not .. he's been asking ubuntu questions all day`
`03:24.57`	`jelly-home`	`grndslm: better support channels!`
`03:25.01`	`jello`	`abrotman: ah, carry on then... :)`
`03:25.04`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: because then you get to ask us questions .. without anyone yelling at you :)`
`03:25.16`	`stoned`	`grndslm, thats not the issue. The issue is that you CANT expect support from other distros`
`03:25.26`	`grndslm`	`abrotman: i asked 2 questions that COULD have been answered here within minutes...but you have been YELLING at me for 2 or 3 times that much`
`03:25.41`	`stoned`	`grndslm, don't expect. The thing is, as a channel policy, condoning non debian support is not good`
`03:25.44`	`grndslm`	`i'm not expecting support, just asking if anybody's free...`
`03:25.44`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: because you've been told to stop asking in here already`
`03:25.52`	`Guerin`	`sigh`
`03:25.59`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: go ask ##linux .. stop asking #debian about a non-Debian distro`
`03:26.12`	`concept10`	`grndslm, you could have searched for an answer by now`
`03:26.19`	`grndslm`	`my whole point is...if i had asked 7 questions within 10 min....it'd be a problem`
`03:26.32`	`jelly-home`	`grndslm: yeah, but multiply your own question with 10-100 more of those, where a Debian specific answer might hose someone's setup`
`03:26.32`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: last chance .. please stop`
`03:26.36`	`stoned`	`grndslm, non debian support questions in #debian IS a problem`
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`03:26.42`	`stoned`	`doesn't matter how many questions`
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`03:27.00`	`grndslm`	`i stopped awhile ago....i asked why I'd wanna install debian over its more famous derivative?`
`03:27.12`	`abrotman`	`oh .. trolling now ...`
`03:27.14`	`krazykit`	`grndslm, i'd say debian is more famous than ubuntu.`
`03:27.15`	`stoned`	`grndslm, if you don't like #ubuntu support, try a more general place like ##linux`
`03:27.20`	`Guerin`	`ubuntu is more famous than debian? HAHAHA`
`03:27.23`	`abrotman`	`!tell grndslm about why debian`
`03:27.37`	`krazykit`	`Guerin, it is to those that know better :-P`
`03:27.42`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: it is if you only read slashdot`
`03:27.42`	`stoned`	`there are like TENS of distros based on debian`
`03:27.51`	`abrotman`	`!children distros`
`03:27.52`	`stoned`	`how is ubuntu more popular than debian?`
`03:27.56`	`abrotman`	`!children`
`03:27.56`	`dpkg`	`children are concerned the situation is tolerable from this point of`
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`03:27.58`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`03:28.00`	`benkong2`	`anyone tried to install the suse kicker for KDE in Etch?`
`03:28.18`	`Guerin`	`benkong2: that sounds unwise.`
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`03:28.25`	`abrotman`	`see .. that's what happens`
`03:28.28`	`stoned`	`grndslm, its the popularity factor. Use what works best for you.`
`03:28.43`	`stoned`	`grndslm, only you can decide what you want. Everything in life comes with pros and cons.`
`03:28.58`	`quique`	`ubuntu is more famous tahn debian ?? :o ...what was first ?`
`03:28.59`	`stoned`	`grndslm, imho debian > * but thats just me`
`03:29.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`yup, for example, i like OS/2`
`03:29.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`:)`
`03:29.09`	`benkong2`	`Guerin; ummm...ok just wondered I have Suse 10.2 on another lappy and it is cool to me atleast.`
`03:29.11`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`03:29.33`	`stoned`	`<stoned> grndslm, its the popularity factor. Use what works best for you. <-- NOT a popularity factor`
`03:29.35`	`concept10`	`meh, linux sucks`
`03:29.42`	`stoned`	`damn keybord fuckin skips entire words sometimes I swear`
`03:29.43`	`jelly-home`	`right`
`03:29.45`	`stoned`	`is possessed or something`
`03:29.48`	`stoned`	`its*`
`03:29.56`	`jelly-home`	`linux is teh lose`
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`03:30.27`	`quique`	`<stoned> <stoned> grndslm, its the popularity factor. Use what works best for you. <-- NOT a popularity factor <<< you are right`
`03:30.29`	`grndslm`	`but popularity is kinda a good things sometimes....centrino marketing platform leads to LOTS of decent, "standardized" hardware that helped spread Wi-Fi faster than no Centrino at all`
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`03:30.39`	`Gnea`	`concept10: what doesn't suck?`
`03:30.39`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: sure.`
`03:30.49`	`abrotman`	`it helped intel sell more stuff`
`03:30.56`	`grndslm`	`it's all about tradeoffs of course, but i don't see any glaring positives for debian over ubuntu other than, it always has been`
`03:30.58`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: popularity provides valuable tension with diversity`
`03:31.02`	`concept10`	`Gnea, Vista Ultimate`
`03:31.14`	`abrotman`	`grndslm: then go ask them for support .. not us`
`03:31.18`	`stoned`	`grndslm, umm.. sarah jessica parker is popular. doens't mean he face doesn't look like a foot.`
`03:31.20`	`concept10`	`Gnea, j/k`
`03:31.21`	`Guerin`	`grndslm: without diversity you get monoculture; without popularity you get excessive market fragmentation`
`03:31.23`	`Gnea`	`concept10: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!`
`03:31.29`	`stoned`	`Gnea, !!`
`03:31.29`	`grndslm`	`stoned: hhahaha`
`03:31.33`	`stoned`	`whas up man`
`03:31.35`	`Gnea`	`stoned: yo!`
`03:31.40`	`Gnea`	`nada`
`03:31.41`	`stoned`	`hows it hangin man`
`03:31.42`	`LunarCrisis`	`the colors on my laptop's LCD look significantly different than my computer's LCD, could this be a gamma issue?`
`03:31.42`	`Gnea`	`you?`
`03:31.44`	`stoned`	`chillin`
`03:31.45`	`concept10`	`Etch Ultimate is what I want`
`03:31.48`	`LunarCrisis`	`if so, is it fixable globally?`
`03:31.56`	`stoned`	`like a villian`
`03:32.12`	`abrotman`	`LunarCrisis: you'd have to have the screen corrected or verified or whatever they call it`
`03:32.14`	`stoned`	`and I'm jellin`
`03:32.22`	`stoned`	`(with dr. shoels)`
`03:32.25`	`Guerin`	`LunarCrisis: differet displays look different. You basically need to calibrate each manually. There are tools like xgamma, and sample display patterns for you to use on the webs.`
`03:32.31`	`stoned`	`I'm so jellin im mellin`
`03:32.34`	`stoned`	`or somthing`
`03:32.57`	`Guerin`	`and yes, lack of quality display calibration and colour profiling on free software is a big pain for graphic designers`
`03:32.59`	`madd_matt`	`LunarCrisis, You should read a tutorial on calibrating a monitor. Contrast, Brightness, Gamma, and possibly a few other settings should be adjusted`
`03:33.28`	`abrotman`	`don't LCDs have temperature too ?`
`03:33.39`	`Guerin`	`yes, but it's not so relevant as crt`
`03:33.39`	`LunarCrisis`	`it's a laptop monitor, I don't what I can adjust about it =(`
`03:33.46`	`jelly-home`	`not that contrast can be meaningfully set on laptop LCDs`
`03:33.46`	`madd_matt`	`Ah, thats what i was looking for, color temperature`
`03:34.08`	`Guerin`	`LunarCrisis: some hardware controls should be on the laptop itself; other stuff is done in software.`
`03:34.21`	`madd_matt`	`LunarCrisis, my laptop has hardware controls -- Fn + some buttons`
`03:34.32`	`abrotman`	`for brightness`
`03:34.52`	`Guerin`	`yeah, mine only does brightness`
`03:35.02`	`abrotman`	`and output :)`
`03:35.14`	`Guerin`	`obviously`
`03:35.31`	`lkthomas`	`does anyone using web GUI interface with SQL to control bind9, apache and ftp ?`
`03:35.54`	`stoned`	`hey man`
`03:36.07`	`stoned`	`you are NOT`
`03:36.07`	`stoned`	`a mujahid`
`03:36.17`	`stoned`	`not by defitnion, not even by ascociation`
`03:36.26`	`Guerin`	`stoned: no, i'm a political scientist researching them`
`03:36.26`	`abrotman`	`#politics ?`
`03:36.33`	`Guerin`	`so easy, tiger`
`03:36.36`	`stoned`	`word`
`03:36.39`	`stoned`	`I am always easy`
`03:36.49`	`stoned`	`haven't you notice I say shit all the time but I'm alway easy going`
`03:37.06`	`Guerin`	`getting angry is a bummer, duude`
`03:37.10`	`stoned`	`I know`
`03:37.13`	`stoned`	`check this`
`03:37.14`	`LunarCrisis`	`looks like all I can adjust is the backlight brightness, is there a way to set gamma correction and such in X?`
`03:37.21`	`stoned`	`I used to pull that anger management crap on my buddies`
`03:37.22`	`Guerin`	`LunarCrisis: xgamma`
`03:37.29`	`stoned`	`I'd e like, "dude, calm down bro"`
`03:37.37`	`stoned`	`"man there is no need to getupset"`
`03:37.45`	`stoned`	`etc. etc. even when there were perfectly calm`
`03:37.50`	`stoned`	`I love to watch em get worked up`
`03:37.51`	`stoned`	`hehe`
`03:37.53`	`Guerin`	`stoned: and did they punch you?`
`03:37.55`	`abrotman`	`you're easy going ?`
`03:37.56`	`stoned`	`nope`
`03:37.59`	`stoned`	`VERY`
`03:38.00`	`abrotman`	`i didn't think so`
`03:38.01`	`Guerin`	`i would have`
`03:38.03`	`stoned`	`you just can't play guitar`
`03:38.05`	`Guerin`	`out of spite`
`03:38.05`	`stoned`	`thats not my fault`
`03:38.15`	`abrotman`	`who can't ?`
`03:38.21`	`benkong2`	`nighty night all`
`03:40.02`	`stoned`	`abrotman, nope was in response to guerin, VERY was in response to you`
`03:40.28`	`abrotman`	`you're not laid back :)`
`03:40.38`	`stoned`	`I am highly laid back`
`03:40.38`	`abrotman`	`you get pretty worked up about different things`
`03:40.43`	`stoned`	`dude I'm so laid back I can't even get up`
`03:40.50`	`abrotman`	`no .. that's lethargic`
`03:40.51`	`stoned`	`abrotman, I'm hyperactive`
`03:40.54`	`abrotman`	`that's not laid back`
`03:40.56`	`stoned`	`there is a difference`
`03:41.19`	`jjazz`	`stoned: you're offended by the name "thinkpad". That's almost the exact opposite of laid back.`
`03:41.24`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:41.25`	`stoned`	`I type/talk too much, I'm always up and about, I can' sit still really for a long time`
`03:41.25`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`what happened to all the newbs.`
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`03:41.29`	`stoned`	`jjazz, not offended by it`
`03:41.36`	`stoned`	`jjazz, I entertain myself with picking on things`
`03:41.41`	`abrotman`	`and being hyperactive makes you laid back ?`
`03:41.44`	`stoned`	`I'm hardly ever serious about half the shit I say`
`03:41.51`	`jjazz`	`stoned: That's not laid back.`
`03:41.51`	`jariep1_`	`how do I shut down X from console`
`03:41.52`	`abrotman`	`Mordantly_Bright: drawn and quartered`
`03:41.55`	`stoned`	`abrotman, I get along with EVERYONE I know`
`03:41.59`	`stoned`	`and well`
`03:42.03`	`abrotman`	`jariep1_: /etc/init.d/?dm stop`
`03:42.05`	`jjazz`	`jariep1_: /etc/init.d/?dm stop`
`03:42.08`	`Gnea`	`you know, that's some funny shit`
`03:42.11`	`jariep1_`	`ok`
`03:42.21`	`jariep1_`	`thank you abrotman and jazz`
`03:42.23`	`jjazz`	`jariep1_: where ?dm is gdm, kdm or xdm, which ever you use`
`03:42.29`	`abrotman`	`stoned: i thought you didn't like one of your housemates`
`03:42.29`	`Gnea`	`cuzi remember a time when stoned and i were at each other's throats in here`
`03:42.35`	`Gnea`	`now we're cool`
`03:42.45`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I swear half the stuff in this channel could be found within 5 minutes on gogle.`
`03:42.57`	`jjazz`	`Gnea: I'm sure he was going for your throat in a laidback way`
`03:43.02`	`abrotman`	`Mordantly_Bright: don't let the secret out`
`03:43.15`	`jjazz`	`Does anybody know the url for google?`
`03:43.23`	`abrotman`	`!fgi`
`03:43.23`	`dpkg`	`from memory, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg`
`03:43.25`	`Gnea`	`yourmomdoesgoogle.com`
`03:43.30`	`stoned`	`Gnea, not really.. I enjoy arguing`
`03:43.37`	`stoned`	`Gnea, we get along well dont' we`
`03:43.41`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`thats ok, I have dual monitors, so someone asks a question I look it up post the url.`
`03:43.46`	`stoned`	`then wtf is the problem you cock knocker`
`03:43.47`	`stoned`	`:/`
`03:43.52`	`jjazz`	`He's like my cousin vinnie`
`03:44.07`	`Gnea`	`stoned: i'm more into debate than arguing - it's when the argument overcomes the debate that i get furstrated :)`
`03:44.22`	`abrotman`	`the person who enjoys arguing is laid back ?`
`03:44.27`	`stoned`	`an debate _is_ an argument really`
`03:44.32`	`stoned`	`just with established rules`
`03:44.37`	`stoned`	`and a certain topic`
`03:44.41`	`stoned`	`but its still an argument`
`03:44.44`	`Gnea`	`actually, i see debate as a structured set of arguments`
`03:44.52`	`stoned`	`<stoned> just with established rules`
`03:44.56`	`stoned`	`structured samem thing`
`03:44.57`	`stoned`	`:)`
`03:45.05`	`Gnea`	`exactly lol`
`03:45.23`	`jjazz`	`The reason why debate and argument are worth so little is because neither has much to do with discussion.`
`03:45.34`	`jjazz`	`It's not mutually informative. It's combative.`
`03:45.44`	`krazykit`	`especially on irc.`
`03:45.55`	`Gnea`	`that has nothing to do with it, it's all about what sort of content you're arguing/debating about`
`03:46.01`	`stoned`	`abrotman, even after all that, we still get along eh`
`03:46.03`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I don't think ld debates are combative each person gets his time.`
`03:46.08`	`amphi`	`oh, no, not a meta-argument`
`03:46.08`	`abrotman`	`stoned: we who ?`
`03:46.09`	`stoned`	`abrotman, so whats the problem cock knocker :)`
`03:46.12`	`krazykit`	`worse, when things degenerate to things like "you're a poo-poo head" "nuh-uh"`
`03:46.39`	`jjazz`	`Gnea: Debate and argument are about triumph, convincing the other person (or an judge). It's not a shared quest for knowledge.`
`03:46.39`	`abrotman`	`everyone hates me equally`
`03:47.17`	`jjazz`	`abrotman: But then, everybody loves you equally too.`
`03:47.22`	`stoned`	`maybe if you stopped being such a dick to people thy might not hate you anymore`
`03:47.36`	`stoned`	`just a thought`
`03:47.38`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: negative love is .. love?!`
`03:47.45`	`Gnea`	`jjazz: but it doesn't always happen that way`
`03:47.50`	`abrotman`	`stoned: this would imply i care ...`
`03:47.56`	`stoned`	`see`
`03:48.02`	`stoned`	`my point exactly`
`03:48.05`	`abrotman`	`that's not being a dick . that's being laid back :)`
`03:48.20`	`stoned`	`sarcam is wasted on me dude`
`03:48.20`	`abrotman`	`it's actually being stoic or apathetic i suppose`
`03:48.26`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`03:48.29`	`abrotman`	`see .. not laid back are you ...`
`03:48.35`	`jjazz`	`abrotman: Negative love is still love. Obviously, your parents didn't beat you enough, or you would know that.`
`03:48.39`	`Guerin`	`play nice, kiddiwinkies`
`03:48.40`	`abrotman`	`that was not supposed to come out in yoda-mode`
`03:48.46`	`stoned`	`yes I am`
`03:48.50`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: tough love!`
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`03:49.15`	`jjazz`	`abrotman: Yes, tough like brickbats!`
`03:49.21`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:49.41`	`stoned`	`how is not paying mind to sarcasm and ignoring it NOT being laid back`
`03:49.42`	`jjazz`	`Fuckin Pats won. My Sox-fan brother in law is going to be insufferable.`
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`03:49.51`	`stoned`	`laid back isn't totally apathetic to the world dude`
`03:49.58`	`stoned`	`you can be laid back with selective apathy`
`03:50.06`	`stoned`	`there are degrees of laidbackness`
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`03:50.18`	`stoned`	`no universal laidbackness exists cuz everyone is different`
`03:50.20`	`abrotman`	`see .. he's arguing again`
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`03:50.33`	`jjazz`	`Ah, now I get it. Laid back = calling people "dude"`
`03:50.53`	`stoned`	`if you have a point that argues against mine with logic bring it on, othewise stop saying im arguing becaus YOU cant come up with nothing to say`
`03:51.02`	`cybefra_`	`when will be the new stable?`
`03:51.08`	`stoned`	`cybefra_, soon`
`03:51.12`	`stoned`	`cybefra_, when its ready really`
`03:51.13`	`abrotman`	`stoned: i don't have to .. you're making an ass of yourself all on your own`
`03:51.19`	`abrotman`	`!wwer`
`03:51.19`	`dpkg`	`Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html`
`03:51.42`	`jelly-home`	`!etch pool 1`
`03:51.42`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 ...`
`03:51.49`	`Gnea`	`!wir`
`03:51.49`	`dpkg`	`i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH`
`03:51.50`	`abrotman`	`i'm so far off!`
`03:51.55`	`stoned`	`abrotman, dude, like I said MANY times... my sense of self respect was shot years ago. I don't need your friendship or your respect. Why is this so hard to understand?`
`03:51.58`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:51.59`	`stoned`	`I give not a shit!`
`03:52.04`	`abrotman`	`he just keeps going ...`
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`03:52.16`	`abrotman`	`!seen caphuso`
`03:52.17`	`dpkg`	`caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 367d 15h 40m 22s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'.`
`03:52.20`	`stoned`	`say what you ant, don't bother me none`
`03:52.21`	`abrotman`	`erm ...`
`03:52.31`	`abrotman`	`stoned: then you would have shut up about it a while ago ...`
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`03:52.40`	`Gnea`	`stoned: dude, go smoke a bowl :)`
`03:52.44`	`stoned`	`I type/taslk fast as usual. if you percieve that as being upset or worked up, then thats your dela`
`03:52.46`	`speyer`	`how do i list my other hdd ? so i can mount them .. fdisk -l doesnt work in debian ?`
`03:52.56`	`abrotman`	`speyer: specify the device`
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`03:53.19`	`speyer`	`abrotman my other hard disk drive`
`03:53.24`	`stoned`	`abrotman, no, I don't have to do shit.`
`03:53.29`	`abrotman`	`speyer: fdisk -l /dev/sda`
`03:53.33`	`jelly-home`	`!wwlr`
`03:53.46`	`abrotman`	`stoned: keep it up`
`03:53.59`	`speyer`	`abrotman i have one on ide and one on sata fdisk -l /dev/sda didnt show anything`
`03:54.02`	`stoned`	`abrotman, keep what up?`
`03:54.03`	`abrotman`	`speyer: or whatever it is`
`03:54.04`	`cybefra_`	`is this rigth room for asking questions ?`
`03:54.10`	`abrotman`	`cybefra_: yes ..`
`03:54.27`	`abrotman`	`cybefra_: there is no set schedule .. it will be done when it's done`
`03:54.41`	`abrotman`	`speyer: does dmesg see it ?`
`03:54.53`	`abrotman`	`stoned: exactly what you've been doing`
`03:54.56`	`exobyte`	`I want to set up a vlan interface in /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm not sure how to specify the vlan id`
`03:55.03`	`stoned`	`abrotman, talking...?`
`03:55.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`exobyte: the essid?`
`03:55.15`	`abrotman`	`stoned: if that's what you call it`
`03:55.15`	`cybefra_`	`i have a wireless device working by ndiswrapper, im not able to instal a new relase by netinstall cd`
`03:55.20`	`stoned`	`abrotman, I do.`
`03:55.28`	`exobyte`	`SerajewelKS: umm, isn't that 802.11x?`
`03:55.36`	`abrotman`	`you enjoy your fantasy world then ...`
`03:55.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`exobyte: oh vlan... sorry, i read that wlan`
`03:55.44`	`stoned`	`I will.`
`03:55.52`	`exobyte`	`SerajewelKS: ah- it's cool`
`03:56.19`	`speyer`	`abrotman you better look please http://paste.lisp.org/display/35322`
`03:56.52`	`speyer`	abrotman on other systems i used to run just fdisk -l and i could see all my other hdd`s
`03:56.57`	`jelly-home`	`exobyte: eg. eth0.5 <-- 5 is the vlan id`
`03:57.03`	`abrotman`	`speyer: jeez .. i think you need more drives`
`03:57.25`	`stoned`	`sound like one of those people who probably got thier ass kicked in highschool like everyday... don't take it out on a poor stoner.. got someting to say, have the last word, enjoy it as always, abrotman you're right, I'm wrong, you rule, I suck. Im OT, campaine forme to get banned .. bye now`
`03:57.28`	`abrotman`	`speyer: hde: ST3120026A, ATA DISK drive .. is that it ? a seagate drive`
`03:57.31`	`speyer`	`abrotman for the sata one isnt it ?`
`03:57.40`	`abrotman`	`stoned: just shut up already ..`
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`03:57.48`	`abrotman`	`speyer: is that the drive ?`
`03:57.49`	`speyer`	`abrotman thats the main one the one i have debian on it`
`03:57.52`	`exobyte`	`jelly-home: so first, I have to do vlan_raw_device eth0 in eth0, right`
`03:57.57`	`abrotman`	`speyer: moment`
`03:58.08`	`abrotman`	`speyer: the samsung ?`
`03:58.15`	`speyer`	`abrotman yeah`
`03:58.28`	`abrotman`	`speyer: that's hdh`
`03:58.40`	`abrotman`	`hdh: SAMSUNG SP1604N, ATA DISK drive`
`03:58.48`	`speyer`	`abrotman no seagate 120 gb its the main one with debian samsung 160 and other samsung 160 are others`
`03:59.03`	`abrotman`	`speyer: so you have three ?`
`03:59.04`	`jelly-home`	`exobyte: right. Theoretically you can only put in the vlan devices, but some drivers really want the phys. device to be up first and settle for a bit before vlan devices are set`
`03:59.16`	`speyer`	`abrotman three all together yes`
`04:00.18`	`abrotman`	`speyer: looks like one of your drives might be dying`
`04:00.18`	`exobyte`	`jelly-home: hmm, ok, so I set vlan_raw_debice, and it's in iface eth0.2, it will use vlan id 2 because of the interface name?`
`04:00.50`	`speyer`	`abrotman why ? because i use 40 pin conductors ? isnt it i will buy a 80 tomorrow`
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`04:00.58`	`abrotman`	`speyer: the IO erors`
`04:01.00`	`jelly-home`	`exobyte: here's an example from working config: http://paste.debian.net/20096`
`04:01.12`	`abrotman`	`speyer: make sure the drive is connected well .. but anyways .. that's not thte problem`
`04:01.15`	`speyer`	`abrotman anyway getting it fix ?`
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`04:01.35`	`speyer`	`abrotman it is connected well via ultra 100 tx2 controller`
`04:01.43`	`jelly-home`	`exobyte: yes, it'll use vlan id 2 because of the name. There's a number of ways to set it up but I found this the easiest`
`04:01.47`	`abrotman`	`speyer: i see hda, hde, and hdh`
`04:01.55`	`abrotman`	`however .. ide1 is missing`
`04:02.11`	`speyer`	`abrotman what can we do ?`
`04:02.29`	`abrotman`	`and it's ICH6 ?`
`04:02.37`	`abrotman`	`does the BIOS even see it ?`
`04:02.46`	`speyer`	`yes`
`04:02.49`	`speyer`	`it does`
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`04:03.34`	`PatrickBic`	`hi`
`04:04.08`	`PatrickBic`	`how can i get around configuring a package?`
`04:04.09`	`PatrickBic`	`E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on python2.5-minimal`
`04:04.10`	`PatrickBic`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`04:05.05`	`jelly-home`	`exobyte: please ignore my using of "ifconfig" and "ip" commands, that's unnecessarily confusing.`
`04:05.19`	`abrotman`	`speyer: that's weird .. it sees ide1 .. but then doesn't use it`
`04:05.48`	`speyer`	`abrotman hmm should i try with a reboot ? or something`
`04:06.00`	`speyer`	`abrotman i had it working in ubuntu 30 min ago`
`04:06.06`	`abrotman`	`uhm .. you haven't done that since you installed it ?`
`04:06.17`	`abrotman`	`speyer: all drives are attached to the same SATA controller ?`
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`04:06.51`	`speyer`	`abrotman socket ide 1 and ide 2 and the other one its sata`
`04:07.08`	`speyer`	`abrotman on the ide controller i have 2 drivers`
`04:07.12`	`abrotman`	`speyer: okay .. so the only drive that is missing is on that sata controller ?`
`04:07.19`	`speyer`	`yeah`
`04:07.24`	`PatrickBic`	`anyone up for the configuration problem?`
`04:07.32`	`abrotman`	`speyer: lspci .. what does it say about your sata controller ?`
`04:07.44`	`speyer`	`on the ide controller i have 120 gb which has debian on it and 160 samsung`
`04:08.19`	`speyer`	`Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20267 (FastTrak100/Ultra100) (rev 02)`
`04:08.20`	`speyer`	`unknow`
`04:08.23`	`speyer`	`this is it`
`04:08.35`	`speyer`	`Ultra100 like i said`
`04:08.40`	`abrotman`	`and that's the only drive attached to it ?`
`04:09.19`	`speyer`	`here this is it http://geizhals.at/img/pix/8917.jpg`
`04:09.28`	`speyer`	`there are two attached to it`
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`04:09.33`	`abrotman`	`haha ..`
`04:09.42`	`abrotman`	`both drives are unseen ?`
`04:09.43`	`speyer`	`120 gb with debian and 160 with stuff`
`04:09.47`	`speyer`	`only one`
`04:09.58`	`scruffy`	`load average: 17.25, 14.89, 12.74 <--- Interactive Tools have produced some seriously crappy perl programs`
`04:10.33`	`abrotman`	`speyer: i'd tell you to upgrade your kernel .. but i'm not sure that would help`
`04:11.16`	`abrotman`	`speyer: did you just install the box ?`
`04:11.32`	`speyer`	`yeah`
`04:11.34`	`speyer`	`brand new`
`04:11.38`	`abrotman`	`so it's totally empty ?`
`04:11.43`	`abrotman`	`and it's a workstation ?`
`04:11.43`	`speyer`	`yep`
`04:11.47`	`speyer`	`desktop`
`04:12.12`	`abrotman`	`i'd recommend the etch installer ...`
`04:12.34`	`abrotman`	`or you could dist upgrade to etch now ...`
`04:12.52`	`speyer`	`:( i was in the channel a while ago and asked what would be better for a desktop user they all said sarge :(`
`04:13.05`	`abrotman`	`they who?!`
`04:13.05`	`cybefra_`	`i have made a new deb installation in chroot, now i would replacing to the newone, but i have problem by grub, message was error 15`
`04:13.06`	`speyer`	`abrotman would that be like a fresh install ?`
`04:13.22`	`speyer`	`abrotman most of the people from #debian channel :)`
`04:13.26`	`abrotman`	`speyer: the dist-upgrade is just upgrading to the next release`
`04:13.29`	`abrotman`	`speyer: weirdos`
`04:14.21`	`speyer`	`abrotman doesnt matter now`
`04:14.23`	`abrotman`	`speyer: first .. run update-pciids`
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`04:14.23`	`speyer`	`abrotman right so what first and how ?`
`04:14.39`	`abrotman`	`update-pciids`
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`04:14.52`	`speyer`	`bash: /usr/bin/update-pciids: Input/output error`
`04:15.14`	`abrotman`	`run it as root`
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`04:17.04`	`speyer`	`well i am root now and still the same`
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`04:17.18`	`abrotman`	`that's not normal`
`04:17.36`	`abrotman`	`!tell speyer about sarge->etch`
`04:17.58`	`speyer`	`hmmm i tryed to restart terminal and it doesnt show up anymore ;(((`
`04:18.48`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Anyone have a set of instructions for getting Nvidia to work with Xorg 7? cause seems to be buggy`
`04:19.00`	`abrotman`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`04:19.00`	`dpkg`	`hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.`
`04:19.23`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, that doesnt help`
`04:19.35`	`speyer`	`brb`
`04:19.41`	`speyer`	`abrotman i get back to you`
`04:19.43`	`speyer`	`thanks`
`04:19.44`	`abrotman`	`okay`
`04:19.52`	`abrotman`	`speyer: also ..`
`04:19.52`	`exobyte`	`jelly-home: hmm... I'm getting an error, but I'm trying to do this on a bridge (br0)`
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`04:23.59`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Anyone know howto fix this? FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory`
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`04:25.16`	`abrotman`	`create the module ?`
`04:25.28`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Howso?`
`04:25.41`	`abrotman`	`probaly with the above thing you told me didn't hlep`
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`04:26.03`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, I was using that`
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`04:26.36`	`abrotman`	`AFAIK .. that's how you create that`
`04:26.38`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, cause I found a workaround to possibly make this work.. using the xserver-xorg-dev`
`04:26.45`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:26.46`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`package`
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`04:29.49`	`speyer`	`abrotman hi there`
`04:29.55`	`speyer`	`what should i run again ?`
`04:30.06`	`abrotman`	`!tell speyer about sarge->etch`
`04:30.07`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, ah its when the modprobe nvidia happens`
`04:30.15`	`abrotman`	`there you go ;)`
`04:30.41`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`cept.. now howto fix that`
`04:30.53`	`phliver`	`hey whats a great way to find the fastest mirror to put in sources.list?`
`04:31.03`	`abrotman`	`apt-spy`
`04:31.09`	`phliver`	`abrotman: thanks`
`04:31.44`	`speyer`	`abrotman wanna look again may work now before i upgrade`
`04:31.54`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
`04:31.57`	`RhastaW`	`phliver, netselect`
`04:32.16`	`speyer`	`abrotman i said do you wanna look again for my mounted hdd before i upgrade to etch ?`
`04:32.26`	`abrotman`	`speyer: i didn't see it anywhere`
`04:32.33`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, any clue?`
`04:32.43`	`speyer`	`abrotman it might be there now after i reboot`
`04:32.49`	`abrotman`	`might :)`
`04:33.00`	`abrotman`	`K\|NgGh0sT: buy hardware from a comapny that's linux friendly`
`04:33.07`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. that's not what you meant`
`04:33.08`	`speyer`	`what was that command again ?`
`04:33.12`	`abrotman`	`!sarge->etch`
`04:33.12`	`dpkg`	`Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.`
`04:33.26`	`speyer`	`abrotman not this one, the one to list my hdds`
`04:33.38`	`abrotman`	`dmesg ?`
`04:34.07`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, there are no graphics cards that are linux friendly ;)`
`04:34.13`	`abrotman`	`intel`
`04:34.15`	`abrotman`	`old matrox`
`04:34.31`	`abrotman`	`K\|NgGh0sT: if you modprobe nvidia .. what happens ?`
`04:34.38`	`exobyte`	`is there any reason why I wouldn't be able to create a vlan interface off of a bridge interface`
`04:34.47`	`abrotman`	`K\|NgGh0sT: did you build the binary crap for nvidia cards ?`
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`04:36.56`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: nVidia seems pretty Linux friendly to me!`
`04:37.00`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Modprobe nvidia gives this,`
`04:37.01`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory`
`04:37.43`	`abrotman`	`did you create the damn module ?`
`04:37.46`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: find / -name nvidia.ko`
`04:37.53`	`abrotman`	`how did you install the nvidia binary crap drivers?`
`04:37.58`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: or find / -name "nvidia.ko"`
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`04:38.13`	`speyer`	`abrotman mount: you must specify the filesystem type which its ext3`
`04:38.21`	`abrotman`	`speyer: huh ?`
`04:38.30`	`abrotman`	`speyer: an error ?`
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`04:39.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`is there something in debian that will transcode a movie to something suitable for burning to DVD?`
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`04:39.15`	`speyer`	`abrotman mount /dev/hdh /media/Hard1 = you must specify the filesystem type`
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`04:39.25`	`deepz`	`guys i have set path in /etc/profile`
`04:39.26`	`abrotman`	`speyer: oh .. it found it ?`
`04:39.35`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, it found it`
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`04:39.37`	`deepz`	`it woks fie in commandline mode`
`04:39.38`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: no .. /msg dpkg marillat`
`04:39.41`	`speyer`	`abrotman yeah but i dont see the sata one`
`04:39.47`	`abrotman`	`speyer: uname -a`
`04:39.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i have those sources too`
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`04:40.02`	`deepz`	`however if i login thru gnome the path is not working thru gnome terminal`
`04:40.07`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: mencoder ?`
`04:40.26`	`speyer`	`abrotman in the mount command how do i specify the filesystem type ?`
`04:40.30`	`abrotman`	`-t`
`04:40.34`	`speyer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:40.35`	`speyer`	`ok`
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`04:40.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: probably, i'm just not sure exactly what i'm converting too`
`04:40.55`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`abrotman, just using the nvidia one-liner`
`04:41.15`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: animated GIF`
`04:41.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: ahahaha funny ...`
`04:41.33`	`Sebboh`	`I have a question about DNS. It's not debian specific. May I privmsg someone? Any volunteers?`
`04:41.41`	`speyer`	`abrotman dmesg \| tail = http://paste.lisp.org/submit`
`04:41.51`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: in which location? it has to exist under the module tree for your current kernel (uname -r) and it has to be built FOR that kernel`
`04:42.18`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-k7/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko`
`04:42.23`	`abrotman`	`speyer: wrong URL`
`04:42.34`	`speyer`	`abrotman i think its hdf1`
`04:42.36`	`speyer`	`isnt it ?`
`04:42.46`	`abrotman`	`speyer: your URL is blank`
`04:43.16`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: that's where it was built.. doesn't look installed`
`04:43.28`	`speyer`	`abrotman mount /dev/hdh1 /media/Hard1 worked`
`04:43.38`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:43.42`	`abrotman`	`so it sees it now ?`
`04:43.50`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, how do I install it?`
`04:43.51`	`speyer`	`yeah`
`04:43.55`	`abrotman`	`okay`
`04:43.55`	`Sebboh`	`I have a web hosting provider which hosts my domain. They provide nameservers. But those nameservers don't let me set my MX records. So, I'd like to use a third party DNS, like ZoneEdit. Is it possible for me to set up the MX records in my third party DNS, but still have it point to the webhost's nameservers for the A records?`
`04:44.02`	`speyer`	`abrotman but what about my sata one ?`
`04:44.22`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: see if cping it to /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/ pleases the error cops.. I don't know where or how you built that.`
`04:44.27`	`abrotman`	`speyer: oh .. i thought it saw it`
`04:44.31`	`abrotman`	`speyer: uname -a`
`04:44.36`	`speyer`	`abrotman this one that i just mounted was the bad one from ide controller, what about sata one ?`
`04:44.50`	`speyer`	`Linux thug 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Thu Sep 14 08:44:58 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux`
`04:45.05`	`abrotman`	`speyer: what's your CPU ?`
`04:45.07`	`scruffy`	`kingsley: cp -i /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-k7/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/`
`04:45.13`	`scruffy`	`kingsley: sorry, wrong person`
`04:45.23`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: cp -i /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-k7/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/nvidia/`
`04:45.35`	`speyer`	`abrotman i think i have to enable something in the kernel as i can remember last time when i had debian on my machine i had to`
`04:45.47`	`abrotman`	`CPU ?`
`04:46.04`	`PumpkinPie`	`I cant install "iproute" package or fix apt without it trying to remove my kernel... http://channels.debian.net/paste/5094 ?`
`04:46.12`	`speyer`	`abrotman 3.2`
`04:46.19`	`abrotman`	`speyer: P4? Athlon ?`
`04:46.33`	`speyer`	`p4`
`04:46.46`	`abrotman`	`aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686`
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`04:49.30`	`speyer`	`abrotman its removing packages aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686`
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`04:49.53`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:50.12`	`speyer`	`its that ok ?`
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`04:50.39`	`abrotman`	`unfortunately .. normal`
`04:50.39`	`speyer`	`0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 200 to remove and 1 not upgraded.`
`04:50.45`	`speyer`	`200 to remove`
`04:50.49`	`abrotman`	`whoa`
`04:50.50`	`abrotman`	`that's not right`
`04:50.56`	`scruffy`	`hehe`
`04:51.00`	`abrotman`	`speyer: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`04:51.21`	`speyer`	`ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`04:51.28`	`abrotman`	`did you do the distupgrade ?`
`04:51.30`	`abrotman`	`!d-i`
`04:51.30`	`dpkg`	`For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.`
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`04:52.04`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, is it because there are no nvidia modules at all in lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7?`
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`04:53.08`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Cause we deleted them last night to get the vesa drivers to work in x`
`04:53.32`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: did copying the file not wor... jeebus crisp. you deleted them and you ask why you're getting that error?`
`04:54.11`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I was told to... I assumed apt-get installing nvidia-glx and such would fix it...`
`04:54.15`	`speyer`	`abrotman running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`
`04:54.20`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:54.22`	`Azar`	`scruffy, where can I find more about openbox?`
`04:54.25`	`abrotman`	`is it installing stuff ?`
`04:54.28`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: I mean, the error doesn't say anything strange, it says "No such file or directory"`
`04:54.29`	`abrotman`	`openbox.org ?`
`04:54.41`	`Azar`	`abrotman: been there.... not much`
`04:54.52`	`Azar`	`looked at a gentoo howto but not enough`
`04:54.58`	`speyer`	`abrotman yes`
`04:55.16`	`Azar`	`the guys from #openbox said is about the debian menu thing`
`04:55.18`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: I'd back out, and just go through the "one liner" again, except don't do it as one line. Do each step and verify there are no errors.`
`04:55.25`	`abrotman`	`Azar: what is the problem ?`
`04:55.46`	`Azar`	`abrotman: it looks like the "Reconfigure" does not work`
`04:55.47`	`speyer`	abrotman like i said last time i had debian i had to enable something in my kernel to get sata driver working or i might loaded a module , anyway i`ve done something with the kernel
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`04:56.06`	`PumpkinPie`	`I cant install "iproute" package or fix apt without it trying to remove my kernel... http://channels.debian.net/paste/5094`
`04:56.10`	`speyer`	`abrotman it will take 15 min :)`
`04:56.10`	`scruffy`	`Azar: everything I found out about OpenBox was from their site. At the time it was sparse.. I pretty much set it up, read over the manual, then I haven't touched it since.`
`04:56.20`	`abrotman`	`speyer: sounds weird .. i don't see why`
`04:56.25`	`abrotman`	`speyer: heh .. i'll be in bed soon :)`
`04:56.31`	`Azar`	`while I install or remove packages openbox does not update`
`04:56.32`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, alright well I did that, and I'm back to the original bug of Nvidia not allowing X to work`
`04:56.40`	`abrotman`	`Azar: install menu and menu-xdg`
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`04:56.42`	`speyer`	`abrotman ahh , what do i need to run after ?`
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`04:56.57`	`abrotman`	`speyer: i'd try to install a 2.6 kernel`
`04:57.02`	`Azar`	`abrotman: ok menu is installed I will install menu-xdg`
`04:57.18`	`speyer`	abrotman what exactly should i run while you`re sleeping ;)
`04:57.24`	`scruffy`	`Azar: did you ever run those commands and verify /etc/menu-methods/openbox exists, etc etc?`
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`04:57.38`	`abrotman`	`speyer: apt-get install fix-my-damn-box`
`04:57.43`	`speyer`	`lol`
`04:57.48`	`scruffy`	`Azar: I posted that shortly after I wrote 'brb' a couple of hours ago`
`04:57.54`	`abrotman`	`linux-image-2.6-686`
`04:58.13`	`speyer`	`ok`
`04:58.25`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: check bugs.debian.org to make sure there isn't a known problem with any of those packages you installed to get nvidia working`
`04:58.28`	`speyer`	`then boot into new kernel and hope it works well :)`
`04:58.29`	`Azar`	`scruffy I did, the menu-methods/openbox exist and I ran update-menus...`
`04:58.55`	`scruffy`	`Azar: when you right click in your workspace, do you see "Debian" in the menu?`
`04:59.19`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, there is bugs there`
`04:59.22`	`scruffy`	`Azar: update-menus puts stuff in there rather than in the main tree`
`04:59.46`	`abrotman`	`speyer: run to the church .. say a prayer ...`
`04:59.46`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: not all may be relevant.. read 'em :D`
`04:59.59`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364398`
`05:00.02`	`speyer`	`abrotman yeah why not ;)`
`05:00.23`	`Azar`	`scruffy right now yes. Earlier I uninstalled openbox, then installed back in order to update menus and it came with no Debian menu, and with no xterm. I rebooted like three times, ran openbox as root and there was ok. Then I moved to user and finally got it right, but Reconfigure is still dead`
`05:00.27`	`speyer`	`abrotman how do i check if dma its set up right ?`
`05:00.55`	`speyer`	`abrotman i heard soemthing like turning dma on for a better devices speed is that right ?`
`05:00.57`	`Azar`	`scruffy: I just wanted to figure out how it works and why was broken`
`05:01.10`	`abrotman`	`speyer: i don't use dma`
`05:01.34`	`Azar`	`ok menu-xdg installed going to exit X and come back to see if now Reconfigure works`
`05:01.36`	`speyer`	`abrotman well will it be good for me ? foe my broke machine ?`
`05:02.15`	`abrotman`	`speyer: probably :)`
`05:02.28`	`speyer`	`abrotman :) ok dont tell more`
`05:02.37`	`speyer`	`abrotman hehe whats the time there ?`
`05:02.58`	`abrotman`	`00:02`
`05:03.07`	`speyer`	`ohh`
`05:03.18`	`abrotman`	`but i've been up since about 630 .. and i went hiking today :)`
`05:03.28`	`speyer`	`heh`
`05:03.34`	`speyer`	`here its 05:00`
`05:03.45`	`abrotman`	`yes .. but i'm an old man`
`05:03.47`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: does this happen to you? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404285`
`05:03.54`	`speyer`	`abrotman same here ;)`
`05:03.55`	`Rusty1`	`speyer: /msg dpkg hdparm`
`05:04.11`	`speyer`	`ok`
`05:04.18`	`stoned`	`abrotman, you're not old`
`05:04.26`	`abrotman`	`i'm ancient!`
`05:04.29`	`stoned`	`bullshit`
`05:04.30`	`stoned`	`:)`
`05:04.44`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I never built anything`
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`05:05.10`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: look for a dri line in your Xorg.conf.. let me know if you find one`
`05:05.23`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`I removed it`
`05:05.24`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: IIRC you said you were 30`
`05:05.30`	`abrotman`	`o a,`
`05:05.32`	`abrotman`	`i am`
`05:05.40`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: you've been down this road then??`
`05:05.48`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, last two days`
`05:05.58`	`abrotman`	`which nvidia card is this ?`
`05:06.07`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`GeForce FX 5900`
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`05:06.17`	`abrotman`	`in etch ?`
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`05:06.34`	`Azar`	`scruffy, ok is that "Reconfigure" supposed to work?`
`05:06.34`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`yes`
`05:06.40`	`abrotman`	`i don't htink you need the binary thingies for that ..`
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`05:07.19`	`jmd`	`wHAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DISABLE MY caps lock KEY?`
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`05:07.37`	`jmd`	`apart from prising it out?`
`05:07.42`	`abrotman`	`prying ?`
`05:08.23`	`scruffy`	`Azar: Reconfigure reloads everything, and I'm assuming the menus will be refreshed if they were updated during the install processes. I mentioned that as a first check in debugging this.. manually running update-menus -v --menumethod openbox should definitely modify ~/.config/openbox/debian-menu.xml.`
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`05:09.54`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: I'm a little older, and I feel ancient too.. creaky knees, graying, etc.`
`05:10.07`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`what is this senior night on irc :)`
`05:10.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`#debian-oldfarts`
`05:10.55`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`so what was your fist computer, anyone remember the trs80's, or the TI99/4a's`
`05:11.04`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: you telling me that when you run the "one liner" again, nvidia.ko doesn`
`05:11.04`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy,any ideas?`
`05:11.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`mine was a C64`
`05:11.14`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: appear in the modules dir again?`
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`05:11.22`	`jmd`	`How do most people go about configuring debian for laptops ?`
`05:11.23`	`nedhelp`	`hi, how do i check my bandwidth thru konsole?`
`05:11.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`at least that was the first comp that i owned... our family had an ibm ps/2 before that`
`05:11.26`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`<-----started out on a TI994a, my bro had a trs80.`
`05:11.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`nedhelp: iftop`
`05:11.48`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I moved it, and one liner worked fine`
`05:11.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: i just installed it on my laptop... had to fix a few things, but that's a pretty vague question.`
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`05:12.03`	`nedhelp`	`SerajewelKS:does it check everything i needed?`
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`05:12.08`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I wanted one of those, I remember when the vic 20 was the comp to have if you couldn't have the 64`
`05:12.09`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: then you shoudn't see the "No such file or directory" error anymore. So what is the error this time?`
`05:12.26`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, there is no error, X just crashes`
`05:12.38`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=451164 <--- exact issue as mine`
`05:12.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`nedhelp: how am i supposed to know? it's a bandwidth monitor for the console, that's what you asked for, right?`
`05:12.45`	`Azar`	`scruffy thanks I noted down all that stuff. most howtos I see refer to people who also use a desktop and teaches how to go and modify the menu files, for the past 3 years I never needed to do that`
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`05:12.47`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: what's the last line of /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it crashes?`
`05:12.55`	`jmd`	`SerajewelKS, Well my question was mostly related to network issues. For instance, It doesn't make sense to set up nfs clients like I would do with a desktop`
`05:13.08`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`in HS I was in charge of the Elementary LAB, helped the younger kids, play wagon train.`
`05:13.08`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, well sorta, I dont have any errors in X0rg.0.log`
`05:13.20`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`those were apple IIe's`
`05:13.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: okay, that's still not very specific :)`
`05:13.36`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: some things mortals just can't fix.. and I'm a whole lotta mortal`
`05:13.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`Mordantly_Bright: i wrote some cool shit for the c64 too`
`05:13.47`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy,`
`05:13.47`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded`
`05:14.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`Mordantly_Bright: like one program would let you change all of the BASIC keywords to whatever you wanted, as long as it was the same length.`
`05:14.10`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I just copied it out of byte magazine.`
`05:14.11`	`jmd`	`SerajewelKS, I guess not. At this stage I'm open to suggestions. Maybe I should rephrase my question:`
`05:14.17`	`nedhelp`	`SerajewelKS:yap,.. ill just check out for tht one thx for the help. :)`
`05:14.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`Mordantly_Bright: all in basic too, no machine language`
`05:14.30`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: so you are seeing this exact set of errors? --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2275529#post2275529`
`05:14.36`	`SerajewelKS`	`nedhelp: np`
`05:14.38`	`jmd`	`What features does etch have to make working with a laptop easier?`
`05:14.43`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I tried to learn basic, but got side tracked.`
`05:14.49`	`Rusty1`	`c64 was for rich kids, vic20 was all i could afford`
`05:14.54`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`my bro was the one.`
`05:14.59`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: (that specific post)`
`05:15.13`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, there are no (EE)'s`
`05:15.16`	`exobyte`	`jelly-home: there?`
`05:15.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: wifi, hibernate...`
`05:15.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: if you can get them configured`
`05:15.25`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I remember having a 12 inch black n white tv, playing games on the trs80.`
`05:15.41`	`jmd`	`I installed from the netinst CD and one of the options I was asked was do I want extra features for laptops. I chose "YES" but I've no idea how to access them.`
`05:15.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: the gnome networking panel lets you switch "locations" too, though i find it buggy at times`
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`05:16.12`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: X crashes and provides no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor ~/.xsession-errors ? No errors on the screen when X crashes?`
`05:16.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: afaik those features are just things like pcmcia, wifi, etc`
`05:16.20`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`I remember back in the day that owning a IIe was every highschooler dream.`
`05:16.42`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: when X crashes, do you have to hard reboot?`
`05:16.57`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, nope`
`05:17.01`	`Rusty1`	`i rememger when owning a IIe was every schools dream`
`05:17.21`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, that was to the hard boot`
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`05:17.57`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`rofl hehe`
`05:18.16`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: when X crashes, exactly what do you see on the screen. A login prompt? Errors?`
`05:18.20`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`our school was a little ahead of its time.`
`05:18.44`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, screen just goes black, and if I hot any key on the keyboard, has a dialog saying would I like to read the Xorg.0.log file`
`05:19.22`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: when you tell it yes, then ________ ?`
`05:19.32`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, wtf it randomly just started working`
`05:19.45`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, one sec`
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`05:20.04`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: eh, maybe one of those 458 reinstalls of the nvidia drive worked, you think? -_-`
`05:20.16`	`jmd`	`Oh well, Another question: How can I try out the integrated CCD camera which is pointing at my forhead right now?`
`05:20.30`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, possibly :D`
`05:20.48`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I'm scared to reboot and see if it works again`
`05:21.30`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`jmd: do you have the drivers for it, probably not as those seem to be very propertish.`
`05:21.53`	`jmd`	`Mordantly_Bright, I've no idea.`
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`05:22.59`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, it works, thank you very very much`
`05:23.12`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`ouch, you probably have to burn up google, and the laptops download page to see if anyone has it working on Linux.`
`05:23.15`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: I didn't really do anything. Glad it's working though.`
`05:23.26`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, you were here to help though`
`05:23.55`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: I actually think abrotman's initial suggestion is what did it`
`05:24.30`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`I dont remember what that was`
`05:24.44`	`jmd`	`Well I suppose tomorrow, I must get the WIFI working. Has anyone got any tips on that?`
`05:24.48`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: the nvidia one liner`
`05:24.52`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`my sonys firewire is not detected either, only have win ME drivers for it!`
`05:25.01`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I musta done that 300 times over the last two weeks`
`05:25.05`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`er days`
`05:25.15`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`It's so old that the last bios was back in 2003.`
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`05:25.58`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: anyway, next time you do an update it probably won't be as buggy. Could be something in the install process.`
`05:26.56`	`coldstea1`	`livhi`
`05:26.59`	`coldstea1`	`hi`
`05:27.10`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: nvidia-settings working?`
`05:27.51`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`scruffy, I'll check, messing with mythtv right now`
`05:27.57`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Its kinda gone a little buggy now`
`05:29.46`	`jmd`	`anyone still here?`
`05:29.50`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: From what I've read, MythTV is a humongous pain in the ass to get working. I don't have any first-hand experience with that.`
`05:30.48`	`coldstea1`	`okay im getting an error http://channels.debian.net/paste/5095`
`05:30.52`	`coldstea1`	`thats my error`
`05:31.25`	`scruffy`	`coldstea1: try /msg dpkg no public key`
`05:31.35`	`scruffy`	`coldstea1: /topic`
`05:33.01`	`scruffy`	`K\|NgGh0sT: I'm taking off, hope you make better progress on the nvidia thing. At least it finally loaded!`
`05:34.14`	`aliasd`	`anyone know how long roughly it takes for a rdns change to filter through?`
`05:34.46`	`coldstea1`	`so what do i do with this key A70DAF536070D3A1`
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`05:37.17`	`scruffy`	`!tell coldstea1 about 2006 key`
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`05:42.05`	`anapivirtua_`	`Have a nice day \ Bonne journee \ Les deseo un buen día`
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`05:48.12`	`exobyte`	`jelly-home: there?`
`05:48.50`	`tuvwx`	`is there a way to make xfonts accessible from gtk apps?`
`05:48.54`	`lkthomas`	`does anyone using any web gui tools to control server ?`
`05:49.38`	`tuvwx`	`lkthomas, why miss the fun when there is stuff like ssh`
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`05:49.57`	`lkthomas`	`tuvwx, if you got 20server, it is not a fun`
`05:50.14`	`tuvwx`	`lkthomas, on the contrary, one little script takes care of them all`
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`05:50.40`	`lkthomas`	`tuvwx, hmm ?`
`05:50.44`	`tuvwx`	`lkthomas, setup ssh keys and you're in business. and with cron, you need 0 interaction`
`05:52.15`	`scruffy`	`coldstea1: how'd that work out?`
`05:52.27`	`tuvwx`	`who'se having trouble with nvidia?`
`05:52.56`	`scruffy`	`tuvwx: K\|NgGh0sT was, but I think its fixed. He may have some more bugs though.`
`05:54.11`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`who's not I have a kds 19 inch crt, and for some reason I get the fraggies, he edge of the screen jumps, happens in Linux onlly.`
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`05:55.12`	`christophe971`	`hello`
`05:55.27`	`scruffy`	`Mordantly_Bright: sounds like your sync and refresh rate might be too high..`
`05:55.40`	`christophe971`	`if i'm using the debian pkg of apache2, i HAVE to use the debian pkg of php5 or can i use a compiled version ?`
`05:55.48`	`scruffy`	`Mordantly_Bright: if you drop down to a lower resolution, does it go away?`
`05:56.06`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`well I thought that too, so I lowered it does the same thing, some say it might be fonts.`
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`05:56.59`	`Mordantly_Bright`	`it could also be a crappy crt, as I know its not doing spec.`
`05:57.08`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: you can compile your own if you want. get apache2-src for use when you build php5 by hand. Although, I've got to say, the debian php5 has most stuff built in.`
`05:57.18`	`tuvwx`	`christophe971, you DON'T HAVE to do anything!`
`06:01.30`	`christophe971`	`"Invalid command 'php_admin_flag', perhaps misspelled ..."`
`06:01.30`	`scruffy`	`Mordantly_Bright: I can't see fonts doing that..`
`06:01.35`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: in your .conf?`
`06:01.36`	`christophe971`	`tuvwx: i guess i have to do one thing :)`
`06:01.37`	`christophe971`	`yes`
`06:01.37`	`scruffy`	`is that inside a <Directory> or <VirtualHost> ?`
`06:01.38`	`exobyte`	`has anyone here set up a vlan interface?`
`06:01.39`	`christophe971`	`the conf file is right`
`06:01.40`	`christophe971`	`it was working well under a compiled apache`
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`06:01.42`	`christophe971`	`now i just don't know how to link this new apache with the php`
`06:01.42`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: you'd have to rebuild PHP for the new version of apache you installed.`
`06:01.42`	`christophe971`	`oh`
`06:01.42`	`christophe971`	`okay`
`06:01.42`	`tuvwx`	`does anyone know how to use the artwiz fonts in gtk/gnome?`
`06:01.43`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: but you'd need the apache source as well (apache2-src)`
`06:01.43`	`christophe971`	`yes`
`06:01.44`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: are you sure you're not running php as a CGI?`
`06:01.44`	`christophe971`	`no`
`06:01.44`	`christophe971`	`i'm sure yes`
`06:01.44`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: hang on`
`06:01.54`	`christophe971`	`i've just to modify the config.nice....`
`06:03.01`	`christophe971`	`mm`
`06:03.06`	`christophe971`	`where's the apache2 apxs ?`
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`06:03.14`	`jbinder`	`hi`
`06:03.17`	`christophe971`	`(i'll updatedb if you don't know)`
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`06:04.21`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: don't know. you may need the apache2-src package, not sure.`
`06:04.36`	`christophe971`	`i've already installed it`
`06:04.45`	`christophe971`	`(i'm updatedb)`
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`06:05.38`	`christophe971`	`/usr/bin/apxs`
`06:06.02`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: if you're seeing "Invalid command 'php_admin_flag', perhaps misspelled ..." it could be that php5 module isn't loaded for apache2.`
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`06:06.21`	`christophe971`	`u gyess that's it`
`06:06.30`	`christophe971`	`that's why i'm fonna recompile php5 for it`
`06:06.33`	`christophe971`	`gibba*`
`06:06.35`	`christophe971`	`gonna**`
`06:07.09`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: what's wrong with the debian php5 package?`
`06:07.16`	`christophe971`	`everything :)`
`06:07.25`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: what`
`06:07.31`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: what's missing that you need?`
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`06:07.39`	`christophe971`	`way`
`06:07.45`	`christophe971`	`and i just don't want to reconfigure it`
`06:07.50`	`christophe971`	`or`
`06:07.55`	`christophe971`	`discover one day that`
`06:08.05`	`christophe971`	`"this wasn't like i guessed"`
`06:08.26`	`scruffy`	`christophe971: whew, the debian php5 package has almost everything enabled if you want it`
`06:08.36`	`christophe971`	`i don't want "everything"`
`06:08.38`	`christophe971`	`anyway`
`06:08.43`	`christophe971`	`nevermind`
`06:09.27`	`jmd`	`What's the package(s) needed for configuring wifi ?`
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`06:12.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`jmd: wireless-tools i think`
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`06:27.33`	`SerajewelKS`	`fuck yeah, evolution integrates with the gnome calendar applet. that's sweet.`
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`06:28.41`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: it might be sweet if it actually works`
`06:28.49`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: so good luck`
`06:30.31`	`cableroyWRK`	`lets say i want the command 'lspci' is there a webpage i can search for that to find out in witch package thiss is?`
`06:31.00`	`cableroyWRK`	`ah nm, found it`
`06:31.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: it does work, that's how i noticed`
`06:31.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: it lists all of my appointments at the bottom.`
`06:31.59`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: it works NOW. And I genuinely hope it continues to work.`
`06:32.12`	`Guerin`	`though that wasn't my experience with evilution`
`06:32.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: has it been breaking?`
`06:32.22`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: oh, this is a year or two ago`
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`06:32.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: ah, okay`
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`06:34.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`sometime soon i need to purge KDE from my desktop`
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`06:39.00`	`Azar`	`Guerin how can you live with yourself?`
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`06:39.13`	`Guerin`	`Azar: i find it hard not to`
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`06:39.26`	`Azar`	`but you are a pesimist`
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`06:39.37`	`Azar`	`or pessimist`
`06:40.33`	`Azar`	`well I am still on researching about Debian menus and Openbox. Openbox has nothing about deb openbox, Debian manuals hardly mention "menu" or "openbox"`
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`06:40.49`	`Azar`	`so the simple solution to fix an issue is by using a hammer`
`06:41.06`	`Azar`	`reboot as many times as it takes to get openbox updated`
`06:41.11`	`Azar`	`err menus updated`
`06:42.55`	`Azar`	`just for kicks`
`06:43.58`	`SubStack`	`http://sourceforge.net/projects/obmenu`
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`06:46.09`	`K\|NgGh0sT`	`Anyway to figure out why randomly my computer makes keyboard commands`
`06:46.42`	`SubStack`	`I had that happen twice`
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`06:47.05`	`Azar`	`hmm not found... in repositories`
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`06:48.30`	`SubStack`	`setkeycodes helped somewhat`
`06:48.50`	`Azar`	`thanks SubStack, looks nice but is not as a deb in Sarge`
`06:49.32`	`Azar`	`ob works great normally I am using it for 3 years now, but something is going wrong when I delete/install packages: the menu does not update as well`
`06:49.57`	`SubStack`	`you can go complain to the openbox maintainer`
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`06:50.10`	`SubStack`	`Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@debian.org>, it would seem`
`06:50.19`	`Azar`	`SubStack: well he said is the debian's menu thing not going well..`
`06:50.29`	`SubStack`	`you can run update-menus too`
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`06:50.42`	`SubStack`	`then openbox reconfigure`
`06:50.43`	`Azar`	`ya just today I found out the magic spell :)`
`06:50.55`	`ChaosR`	`:(, on my server, portmap broke, does anybody know how to repair, it won't update, for an unknown reason`
`06:51.04`	`Azar`	`well, openbox's reconfigure seems dead... does not do/show a thing`
`06:51.26`	`SubStack`	`it should refresh the menus`
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`06:51.43`	`Azar`	`hmmm sounds logical..`
`06:51.57`	`Azar`	`man I got two such awesome games today! :)`
`06:52.46`	`ChaosR`	`Preparing to replace portmap 5-24 (using .../archives/portmap_5-25_i386.deb) ...`
`06:52.55`	`ChaosR`	`that message all the time`
`06:53.10`	`Azar`	`if the company I work for ever decide to move to Debian linux, ay, I will play games all the time`
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`06:54.10`	`Azar`	`ChaosR: someone will help you... sorry for my babbling here, I do not know about servers... just wait`
`06:54.38`	`ChaosR`	`w00t, after 3 hours the message changed to stopping portmap deamon`
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`06:57.25`	`maxkelley`	`hi, I'm running sid, and I am having the problem with libapache2-mod-auth-mysql depending on apache2-common instead of apache2.2-common; is there a workaround for this problem?`
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`06:58.26`	`Gnea`	`maxkelley: have you read the bug tracker on it?`
`06:59.28`	`maxkelley`	`no, I haven't.. where could I find it?`
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`06:59.32`	`NetGangsta`	`I own a domain name and i want to create irc vhost anyone got a eazy way?`
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`06:59.36`	`SerajewelKS`	`!bts`
`06:59.37`	`dpkg`	`somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
`06:59.43`	`maxkelley`	`thanks.`
`06:59.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`maxkelley: ^^^`
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`07:00.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: does your isp delegate reverse dns to you?`
`07:00.31`	`NetGangsta`	`I got a vps and and static ip`
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`07:01.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: that's not what i asked`
`07:01.48`	`NetGangsta`	`I dont want create vhost with my ISP ip`
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`07:02.22`	`skar_`	`hi, how do i add the sarge debian repository to my apt sources.list`
`07:02.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: okay then, do you have reverse dns delegated for whatever IP address you are using?`
`07:02.48`	`Guerin`	`skar_: using apt-spy or apt-setup`
`07:02.57`	`NetGangsta`	`hmm not sure how can i know?`
`07:03.01`	`skar_`	`ok thanks will try apt-setup`
`07:03.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: if you don't know then you probably don't. ask your hosting provider.`
`07:03.43`	`skar_`	`ok that worked, thanks geurin`
`07:03.50`	`skar_`	`*guerin :)`
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`07:05.20`	`NetGangsta`	`SerajewelKS yes the guy of my provider say its reverse dns`
`07:06.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: is it a debian vps?`
`07:06.55`	`NetGangsta`	`yes`
`07:06.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: install bind and google reverse dns`
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`07:07.35`	`NetGangsta`	`apt-get bind?`
`07:08.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: install, yes`
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`07:09.33`	`NetGangsta`	`ok bind is installed`
`07:09.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`NetGangsta: google reverse dns`
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`07:11.41`	`krinns`	`kernel: [17191773.312000] eth1: excessive work at interrupt.`
`07:11.41`	`krinns`	`what this error mean`
`07:11.50`	`pipeline`	`your eth1 driver is a bastard`
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`07:57.49`	`eifzon`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`07:57.51`	`dpkg`	`from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.`
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`07:58.06`	`aardvarc`	`!ops HedzUp onjoin <HedzUp> Have a fun day @ http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :)`
`07:58.06`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: aardvarc complains about: HedzUp onjoin <HedzUp> Have a fun day @ http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com :)`
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`08:00.14`	`Jozan`	`I suppose I can't ask about dist-upgrading to sarge from ubuntu here? got no response in their channel`
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`08:00.22`	`multi_io`	`just ask`
`08:00.30`	`multi_io`	`how can I find out the exact size of the CD-R medium in /dev/cdrw?`
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`08:00.36`	`multi_io`	`wodim always says "WARNING: Total disk size unknown. Data may not fit on disk."`
`08:01.37`	`peterS`	`multi_io: normally you just do 'wodim -atip' to see the media size`
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`08:02.05`	`peterS`	`or 'wodim dev=/dev/cdrw -atip' if you don't have /dev/cdrw as your default device (you probably do though)`
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`08:11.57`	`cilkay`	`Hello. I've done a debootstrap installation of Etch into a Xen VPS. I need to install additional packages for the minimal installation, e.g. openssh-server. I see that it's possible to --include additional packages with debootstrap but I have to work out dependencies manually apparently.`
`08:12.17`	`cilkay`	`I can do that by carefully noting the dependencies as I install into my pristine Etch instance.`
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`08:12.36`	`cilkay`	`Are those dependencies subject to change though?`
`08:14.36`	`cilkay`	`I wonder where the list of packages that debootstrap installs are specified. It seems to know how to work out dependencies so adding to that list would probably be the best approach.`
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`08:19.16`	`Jozan`	`hi, I'm trying to find a netinst ISO of sarge/testing/sid (don't care) that has madwifi support (atheros wireless cards), anyone know of any? google isn't helping :\`
`08:21.42`	`karsten`	`Jozan: I doubt you'll find that`
`08:22.08`	`karsten`	`Jozan: chroot install under a supported environment is your best bet. Do you know if Knoppix supports the card?`
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`08:22.31`	`Jozan`	`I haven't checked.. good idea though.`
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`08:24.10`	`Jozan`	`does netinst install a minimal system to where I could install pre-downloaded .debs and then continue with the netinst procedure?`
`08:24.21`	`cilkay`	`Is there a way to run "MAKEDEV generic" so that my SCSI disk devices would be there the first time I boot Etch after a debootstrap installation?`
`08:24.27`	`karsten`	`I believe so.`
`08:24.41`	`karsten`	`Jozan: ^^`
`08:25.22`	`Jozan`	`thanks :)`
`08:25.25`	`karsten`	`Jozan: If you can get any networking (eg: serial, parallel) or floppy / USB transfer debs over, you can build up the system.`
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`08:25.44`	`karsten`	`Jozan: I wrote the original chroot install docs pretty much to address the situation you've got.`
`08:25.48`	`cilkay`	`pxe`
`08:26.05`	`Jozan`	`well my /home partition is reiserfs, so I can just leave the debs in there and install when it boots, then bring the network up hopefully`
`08:26.07`	`cilkay`	`debootstrap`
`08:26.14`	`karsten`	`cilkay: Um I think with Etch you're using udev anyway. You want SCSI in your initrd.`
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`08:26.31`	`karsten`	`Jozan: That might work, it's nice to have a plan B.`
`08:26.32`	`cilkay`	`karsten: not going to happen since I'm running it in Xen`
`08:26.44`	`karsten`	`cilkay: Xen support initrd, no?`
`08:26.55`	`karsten`	`cilkay: I'm almost positive it does.`
`08:27.24`	`cilkay`	`Probably but I'm not going to build a special kernel just for Debian. We have one kernel that we use for all distros.`
`08:27.41`	`karsten`	`cilkay: ... and if you're running in Xen, why not present an IDE HD to the guest rather than SCSI?`
`08:27.50`	`Jozan`	`karsten: where might I find those chroot install docs?`
`08:28.09`	`karsten`	`cilkay: Um. You're still using udev. Which means SCSI will be present if compiled in or modules are loaded.`
`08:28.17`	`karsten`	`Jozan: Appendix C4 of the Debian Installation Manual.`
`08:28.22`	`cilkay`	`karsten: no reason other than we had started with /dev/sd*`
`08:28.26`	`Jozan`	`dpkg knows :)`
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`08:28.42`	`karsten`	`cilkay: That's your simplest fix, IMO.`
`08:28.51`	`cilkay`	`It's a monolithic kernel. SCSI must be compiled in because it works in every other distro.`
`08:28.59`	`karsten`	`cilkay: How big is your environment / how many systems?`
`08:29.16`	`karsten`	`cilkay: Yeah, which gets us back to udev and whether or not you're using it.`
`08:29.33`	`cilkay`	`Dozens of physical servers with many VPS on them.`
`08:30.03`	`cilkay`	`I'm sure we're not using udev.`
`08:30.14`	`karsten`	`cilkay: If you're using a real (old-school) /dev, you should be able to mount the virtual disk under another instance and run MAKEDEV under that.`
`08:30.20`	`karsten`	`cilkay: OK. See above.`
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`08:31.18`	`cilkay`	`karsten: so I should be able to cd /mnt/etchvps/dev; ./MAKEDEV generic`
`08:31.21`	`cilkay`	`Makes sense.`
`08:31.37`	`karsten`	`cilkay: ... or MAKEDEV <scsci devices needed>`
`08:31.48`	`karsten`	`cilkay: but same basic idea.`
`08:31.52`	`cilkay`	`yeah, that too`
`08:32.04`	`cilkay`	`generic adds a lot of stuff I don't need but I don't think it's a big deal.`
`08:32.11`	`karsten`	`inodes are cheap.`
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`08:32.53`	`cilkay`	`What about adding additional packages during debootstrap installation? Any ideas there?`
`08:33.29`	`cilkay`	`man debootstrap tells me that I can use --include but it also warns me that I have to resolve deps manually.`
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`08:33.38`	`cilkay`	`That sounds potentially fragile.`
`08:34.14`	`karsten`	`cilkay: Once you've got the base packages installed, you can chroot into the installation and pretty much treat it as live.`
`08:34.27`	`cilkay`	`yes, but how do I do that in a script?`
`08:34.39`	`cilkay`	`The idea is to make it as hands-off as possible.`
`08:34.43`	`karsten`	`FAI?`
`08:34.46`	`karsten`	`!FAI`
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`08:34.46`	`dpkg`	`i heard fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai`
`08:35.05`	`cilkay`	`FAI seems very tricky for Xen installations.`
`08:35.29`	`cilkay`	`http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_XEN_domains`
`08:35.42`	`Jozan`	`karsten: thanks again, off to try a chroot install`
`08:35.49`	`karsten`	`OK.`
`08:35.55`	`karsten`	`NP.`
`08:37.12`	`deadcat`	`can someone tell me what options/dependencies i need in order to get usb webcam drivers to show up in the video for linux section please. thanks.`
`08:37.26`	`deadcat`	`karsten: how was CABAL?`
`08:37.58`	`azeem`	`deadcat: are they not included in the stock Debian kernel?`
`08:38.05`	`cilkay`	`There's a bunch of things we'd have to setup and secured properly for FAI, like NFS and dhcpd it seems. Looks like a whole lot of adventure.`
`08:38.22`	`hark`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:38.22`	`hark`	`64 bytes from 195.229.241.181: icmp_seq=4 ttl=250 time=53.0 ms`
`08:38.22`	`hark`	`64 bytes from 195.229.241.181: icmp_seq=5 ttl=250 time=56.1 ms`
`08:38.26`	`deadcat`	`azeem: theres no stock debian kernel for my cobalt qube3..`
`08:38.42`	`deadcat`	`azeem: you mean copy the .config from a debian kernel?`
`08:39.05`	`azeem`	`deadcat: why doesn't a stock kernel work?`
`08:39.16`	`deadcat`	`azeem: it requires a cobalt patch`
`08:39.32`	`blondie`	`yeah those boxes dont work with the vanilla kernels`
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`08:39.47`	`TimeX`	`I cannot input chinese using zhcon`
`08:39.48`	`deadcat`	`azeem: there are cobalt kernel but those are MIPS.`
`08:40.07`	`azeem`	`I see`
`08:40.44`	`deadcat`	`good news is that i can use the cobalt-panel-utils to write text to the LCD panel.. bad news for me is that the lcd panel is on the back of the qube3 (=`
`08:40.50`	`azeem`	`so you started from scratch with a new kernel config, or based on the Debian stock kernel?`
`08:41.22`	`deadcat`	`azeem: i use a minimum requirement for cobalt .config`
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`08:42.06`	`azeem`	`deadcat: to be clear, you have x86 qube?`
`08:42.12`	`deadcat`	`azeem: yes.`
`08:42.15`	`azeem`	`ok`
`08:42.26`	`deadcat`	`azeem: i can show you the .config if you need`
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`08:42.59`	`azeem`	`deadcat: I'm afraid I haven't configured a kernel in years, and wouldn't know what to look for`
`08:43.20`	`deadcat`	`k..`
`08:43.43`	`azeem`	`but maybe you could grep a stock i386 .config for the driver, and then copy&paste it into your own .config?`
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`08:43.58`	`TimeX`	`anyone`
`08:44.05`	`deadcat`	`azeem: ok`
`08:44.08`	`TimeX`	`How can I input Chinese under zhcon`
`08:44.41`	`azeem`	`!cn`
`08:44.41`	`dpkg`	`i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 \| Qt/KDE �渡��详�请�读`
`08:44.47`	`azeem`	`TimeX: maybe ask there ^^`
`08:45.07`	`TimeX`	`sure, cn is chinese`
`08:45.21`	`azeem`	`in #debian-zh I mean`
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`08:45.43`	`cilkay`	`karsten: MAKEDEV isn't going to work from the dom0, which is where I'm doing the debootstrap installation. The dom0 is not running Debian so it complains that it can't find the dpkg command and "no support for generic". Back to the drawing board.`
`08:45.44`	`TimeX`	`azeem`
`08:45.59`	`TimeX`	`I enter, but no one answer, so I turn to here`
`08:46.15`	`azeem`	`TimeX: maybe wait a while, or try #debian-zh on irc.debian.org`
`08:46.20`	`TimeX`	`thanks`
`08:46.32`	`azeem`	`TimeX: or wait here and ask again later, maybe somebody knows then`
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`08:48.06`	`TimeX`	`sure, I have the trouble for a week, I want to fix it right now, but only I can do is waiting`
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`08:50.08`	`TimeX`	`azeem: does the app have sth. to do with locale?`
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`08:51.23`	`azeem`	`TimeX: I don't know, sorry`
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`08:55.46`	`zorton`	`is it just me or does the neomagic Xorg driver really suck? the refresh rate on this toughbook Cf-71 is painful`
`08:55.53`	`zorton`	`any thoughts or solutions?`
`08:56.16`	`TimeX`	`azeem: that's OK`
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`09:01.10`	`Quibus`	`Hi all`
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`09:01.37`	`Quibus`	`The Java plugin from the sun-java5 packge is not activated in FireFox. There are bug reports about them, but they are all closed`
`09:01.42`	`Quibus`	`Any idea?`
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`09:03.46`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: have a look if its even activated, see 'update-alternatives'`
`09:04.09`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: or 'galternatives' if cli scares you`
`09:04.40`	`Quibus`	`valdyn, interesting might be that the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is almost empty`
`09:04.50`	`Quibus`	`(only libunixprintplugin.so)`
`09:05.19`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: that's expected, plugins are in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/`
`09:05.32`	`Quibus`	`OK`
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`09:05.55`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: now if you are _not_ using debian's firefox, that's a differnt issue..`
`09:06.07`	`Quibus`	`I am`
`09:06.16`	`Quibus`	`Stock packages rule :)`
`09:06.23`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: update-alternatives it is then.`
`09:06.42`	`Quibus`	`Yes, I checked it. There is exactly one alternative and that one is not activated. A bit weird, I'd say`
`09:06.57`	`Quibus`	`If there is only one, it should be activated by default, I'd expect`
`09:07.03`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: yep, just activate it`
`09:07.11`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: yep`
`09:07.49`	`Quibus`	`This is a bug? If so, in which package?`
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`09:09.56`	`zorton_`	`which cursor is preferable under Xorg; Hardware cursor or software cursor?`
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`09:10.55`	`azeem`	`zorton_: I'm not sure it makes a big difference today`
`09:11.47`	`cilkay`	`Is it possible to specify certain commands to be executed automatically upon entering a chroot environment?`
`09:12.30`	`valdyn`	`cilkay: /bin/sh is run when you enter a chroot, that's probably bash, which will run ~/.bashrc`
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`09:12.58`	`cilkay`	`e.g. I want to chroot /mnt/etchvps /bin/bash and upon entering the chroot jail, cd /dev/ ; MAKEDEV generic`
`09:13.24`	`cilkay`	`valdyn: I only want this to run once.`
`09:13.39`	`valdyn`	`cilkay: you don't need to be in the chroot to MAKEDEV`
`09:13.42`	`cilkay`	`Maybe I could use a file as a flag.`
`09:13.45`	`cilkay`	`I do in this case.`
`09:13.48`	`Ash-Fox`	`Is there a channel I can goto to get help on debian packaging?`
`09:13.58`	`valdyn`	`cilkay: why would you need to?`
`09:14.03`	`cilkay`	`valdyn: the host is not Debian.`
`09:14.17`	`valdyn`	`cilkay: so use mknod or whatever you like`
`09:14.24`	`valdyn`	`cilkay: or even 'cp'`
`09:14.27`	`cilkay`	`This is a Xen environment. The dom0 is Mandriva.`
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`09:14.46`	`cilkay`	`mknod should work, you're right`
`09:14.57`	`netstar`	`which package do I need for /lib/modules/2.6.18-x/build to install?`
`09:15.09`	`netstar`	`I'm missing the build direcory`
`09:15.21`	`cilkay`	`Well, I have other commands I'd like to run too, such as apt-get install <a bunch of packages>`
`09:15.24`	`valdyn`	`netstar: linux-headers-$(uname -r)`
`09:15.34`	`netstar`	`ty`
`09:15.51`	`Ash-Fox`	`I wonder why apt-build is completely broken on my packages :/`
`09:16.14`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: a pity I have to restart Firefox to see if it worked :) (Cause I'm using it for IRC atm)`
`09:16.24`	`Ash-Fox`	`http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/apt-build-weirdness.txt Just... Lovely.`
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`09:18.19`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: you should not need to restart it`
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`09:24.39`	`prumprum`	`is there away to setup 'sftp' without giving the user, shell access?`
`09:24.58`	`calip`	`hi...is there any opensource software i can use to make partition images without using GUI?`
`09:24.59`	`SlayerXP`	`prumprum: yes`
`09:25.05`	`valdyn`	`!scponly`
`09:25.10`	`SlayerXP`	`calip: dd`
`09:25.17`	`valdyn`	`prumprum: look at the scponly package`
`09:25.19`	`prumprum`	`SlayerXP, giving the user the sftp-server as shell?`
`09:25.27`	`prumprum`	`valdyn, ah okay`
`09:25.42`	`Guerin`	`rsh does this too`
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`09:26.31`	`calip`	`thanks`
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`09:27.15`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: in that case, it didn't help. about:plugins doesn't show the Java plugin`
`09:27.40`	`Guerin`	`Ash-Fox: fix that script, which clearly has an error`
`09:27.54`	`cilkay`	`calip: dd`
`09:28.00`	`Guerin`	`cilkay: lagging?`
`09:28.20`	`Ash-Fox`	`Guerin, what script?`
`09:28.53`	`Ash-Fox`	`Guerin, it didn't even download my package, so it's not executing any scripts in said package.`
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`09:29.26`	`Guerin`	`Ash-Fox: line 402 has an error. That may be the problem, or part of it.`
`09:29.46`	`Ash-Fox`	`402 of what script?`
`09:30.02`	`Guerin`	`Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/bin/apt-build line 402.`
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`09:32.00`	`Guerin`	`my oven runs windows`
`09:32.31`	`Guerin`	`the grill magically stopped being hot, so I turned it off and back on again and it worked fine`
`09:32.33`	`Fox`	`you're going to eat something cold today then ?`
`09:32.37`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`09:32.44`	`Guerin`	`it doesn't run windows 3.1`
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`09:32.58`	`Fox`	`yeah`
`09:33.07`	`Fox`	`got the web with winsock trumpet ? :)`
`09:33.22`	`Guerin`	`woah`
`09:33.26`	`Guerin`	`blast from the past`
`09:33.38`	`Fox`	`for sure :)`
`09:33.52`	`plundra`	`Hmm, have anyone implemeted IPv6 for Windows 3.1 you think?`
`09:33.52`	`Fox`	`argh`
`09:34.04`	`Guerin`	`and to think that all this time there was a perfectly good tcp/ip stack and full networking connectivity languishing in unix, unused by the masses`
`09:34.14`	`Guerin`	`plundra: impossible.`
`09:34.22`	`Guerin`	`it can barely do ipv4`
`09:34.30`	`Guerin`	`hell, it can barely do ipx`
`09:34.39`	`plundra`	`hehe`
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`09:37.03`	`fontpd`	`is there a flag that i can pass to apt-get to have it automatically pass the default answer any questions that pop up?`
`09:37.43`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: --read-the-documentation`
`09:37.44`	`valdyn`	`fontpd: 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf'`
`09:37.52`	`Fox`	`fontpd: -y ?`
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`09:39.34`	`karmatronic`	`Fox: yes`
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`09:43.05`	`fontpd`	`I dont want it to automatically answer yes, just to choose the default answer.`
`09:43.09`	`fontpd`	`which isn't always yes`
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`09:43.53`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: what exactly do you want to choose the default for? Only apt* queries, or debconf also?`
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`09:45.21`	`yang`	`is anyone using squid around here?`
`09:45.23`	`fontpd`	`apt-get upgrade, only`
`09:45.30`	`karmatronic`	`yang: yep`
`09:45.55`	`yang`	`karmatronic: i wonder how to limit http_access to only one IP, is it possible?`
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`09:46.45`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: ok. I'm not sure if this is doable, other than taping down your enter key, but you can look in TFM.`
`09:46.50`	`karmatronic`	`yang: no no they just have squid in my job network`
`09:46.58`	`karmatronic`	`yang: it s a joke , it s a jok e`
`09:47.01`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: so, what do I do?`
`09:47.20`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: restarted yet?`
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`09:48.07`	`fontpd`	`I didn't see anything in the -h or manpage. I was hoping it was an undocumented feature, like Super Cow Powers`
`09:48.39`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: and rate-limiting. It may be, but if so it's too well hidden for me.`
`09:48.42`	`Fox`	`what is the default answer to the libc upgrade ? "yes i want to mess up my system automatically" ? :)`
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`09:49.12`	`fontpd`	`thanks anyhow`
`09:49.34`	`Guerin`	Fox: depending on the case you sometimes have to type `Yes, do as I say.' with punctuation and case
`09:49.43`	`Guerin`	`at 0430 this can be quite tricky`
`09:50.30`	`karmatronic`	`yang: ok yang`
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`09:50.42`	`karmatronic`	`yang: you ll have to do that`
`09:51.05`	`karmatronic`	`yang: acl bad_ip src ip_address_to_ban`
`09:51.11`	`karmatronic`	`yang: and then`
`09:51.23`	`yang`	`karmatronic: not to ban, only to allow access from on e IP`
`09:51.25`	`karmatronic`	`yang: http_access deny bad_ip`
`09:51.38`	`yang`	`karmatronic: i dont want to ban anyone`
`09:51.53`	`karmatronic`	`yang: well in that case http_access allow bad_ip`
`09:51.55`	`Guerin`	`yang: what's the difference?`
`09:52.15`	`yang`	`karmatronic: so its http_access allow 213.213.123.234 (as i thought)`
`09:52.35`	`karmatronic`	`yang: no`
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`09:52.57`	`karmatronic`	`yang: it s acl yang src 213.213.123.234`
`09:53.01`	`karmatronic`	`yang: and then`
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`09:53.16`	`karmatronic`	`yang: http_access allow yang`
`09:53.18`	`valdyn`	`yang: ban everyone, then allow that one ip`
`09:53.19`	`yang`	`ok`
`09:53.26`	`karmatronic`	`http_access deny !yang`
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`09:53.39`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: nope, but you said it wasn't needed :) I'll try then.`
`09:54.06`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: yea, well, its not needed on my system, i dont know if this is a new feature or if it could be specific to epiphany..`
`09:54.13`	`alt_nick`	`Could anyone confirm or tell my why: imagemagick's convert is taking 30 seconds to convert a jpg to png, but with the -quality setting at anything at all - it takes <4 seconds with same sized result.`
`09:54.49`	`alt_nick`	`(Debian testing in a vserver on 2.6)`
`09:54.57`	`Quibus`	`k`
`09:55.30`	`karmatronic`	`alt_nick: seems like it didnt work with that image, try with any other to check`
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`09:55.47`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: nope, still no java plugin`
`09:56.26`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: it is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins though, but Firefox doesn't seem to see it`
`09:57.48`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: when I start iceape, it does detect the plugin`
`09:58.51`	`alt_nick`	`karmatronic: 'Didn't work'?`
`09:59.25`	`alt_nick`	`Umm, same effect on another image, but also some quality settings trigger the slowness. 90 - no, 92 - yes, 100 - no, 99 yes.`
`09:59.44`	`alt_nick`	`Same quality-settings always produces same speed.`
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`10:01.13`	`karmatronic`	`alt_nick: first convert from jpg to png`
`10:01.21`	`karmatronic`	`alt_nick: and then set quality`
`10:01.34`	`Guerin`	`alt_nick: what gives you the impression this is a debian bug?`
`10:02.00`	`alt_nick`	`Nothing really, I couldn't get anyone in #imagemagick to respond and I just wanted a confirmation :P`
`10:02.35`	`alt_nick`	`karmatronic: convert with no quality setting is >30s`
`10:03.41`	`alt_nick`	`Can anyone confirm this is or isn't happening on their system?`
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`10:06.21`	`jabba_`	`hello`
`10:06.23`	`jabba_`	`just trying apt-pinning`
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`10:06.31`	`jabba_`	`http://nopaste.debianforum.de/4908`
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`10:06.39`	`jabba_`	`why is my policy so wrong?`
`10:06.44`	`jabba_`	`can't figure out`
`10:06.50`	`jabba_`	`no apt.conf file!`
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`10:07.16`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: java is enabled in your firefox preferences?`
`10:08.21`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: yes, it is`
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`10:08.42`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: looks sane to me`
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`10:09.26`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: though, in iceape the applets are failing to start, after displaying the Sun/Java logo thingie for a while`
`10:09.35`	`yang`	`karmatronic: will this option dis-allow other IP's from accessing and allow only 213.213* http://paste.debian.net/20103`
`10:10.28`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: java-gcj-compat-plugin works decent for me aswell, but that doesn't explain why its not being there at all..`
`10:10.29`	`Guerin`	`yang: #apache`
`10:10.43`	`yang`	`Guerin: it's squid`
`10:10.47`	`blondie`	`#squid ;)`
`10:10.47`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: being on amd64 i cant use the sun's plugin`
`10:10.58`	`Guerin`	`yang: oh. #squid, then ;)`
`10:11.02`	`yang`	`nobody is answering there`
`10:11.03`	`Guerin`	`blondie: damnyou!`
`10:11.07`	`blondie`	`yang: so?`
`10:11.08`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: your release is etch?`
`10:11.09`	`jabba_`	`Guerin, i just tried usinf testing and unstable as a-flags`
`10:11.11`	`Guerin`	`yang: pathience is a virtue`
`10:11.13`	`geo-rge`	`jabba_: doesn't pinning go into apt.conf?`
`10:11.18`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: yes`
`10:11.18`	`jabba_`	`instead of etch and sid`
`10:11.22`	`yang`	`yeah 3 days of patience`
`10:11.23`	`jabba_`	`now it is ok`
`10:11.26`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: not, into /etc/apt/preferences`
`10:11.29`	`jabba_`	`but that can't be right`
`10:11.44`	`jabba_`	`because next rotation it'll be wrong`
`10:11.45`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: oh, ok`
`10:12.03`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: hm, that's possible. The a field must include the release, not the name`
`10:12.21`	`jabba_`	`that's kinda bad?`
`10:12.37`	`Guerin`	`why?`
`10:12.45`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: read the Release file to see`
`10:12.46`	`jabba_`	`if i wanna stay at etch?`
`10:12.47`	`geo-rge`	`jabba_: well no because accdg to Guerin apt.conf is not the file for that`
`10:12.52`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: I'm trying Konqueror now, but that is even weirder... It claims I have a java 1.4.2 plugin installed... That can't be right`
`10:12.57`	`geo-rge`	`then use "etch"`
`10:13.09`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: that's the point, sunshine, it don't work`
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`10:13.10`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: maybe your ff wasn't quit complete, im just now trying the java plugin on my ( etch/i386 ) notebook`
`10:13.14`	`Quibus`	`it's also listing Flash 6....`
`10:13.15`	`Quibus`	`I have no such thing`
`10:13.16`	`jabba_`	`etch doesn't work in a-field, geo-rge`
`10:13.20`	`alt_nick`	`Confirmed as an imagemagick 'feature'. I'll go investigate it through their channels.`
`10:13.22`	`Guerin`	yang: you can also use `prefer'
`10:13.25`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`10:13.29`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: how can I know/check that?`
`10:13.29`	`Guerin`	jabba_: you can also use `prefer'
`10:13.34`	`geo-rge`	`that is... replace "testing" in sources.list with etch`
`10:13.37`	`Guerin`	`alt_nick: classy.`
`10:13.43`	`geo-rge`	`that does work`
`10:14.05`	`Quibus`	`well, I could just run the proper ps command :)`
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`10:14.14`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: did you actually read his paste?`
`10:14.26`	`geo-rge`	`I just sat down`
`10:14.37`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: suggest you do so before talking about it.`
`10:14.42`	`jabba_`	`geo-rge, it is etch, not testing in my sources`
`10:14.51`	`jabba_`	`Guerin, where to do so?`
`10:14.54`	`jabba_`	`"prefer"`
`10:15.15`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: i forget, it should be documented in apt_preferences or perhaps apt.conf`
`10:15.50`	`Guerin`	iirc `prefer' sets the pin to 1000 for that branch, which is a similar result to that which you've designed
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`10:15.54`	`Guerin`	`though not identical`
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`10:16.33`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: hmm, your error doesnt seem to be so special, same error here, just ( to my confusion ) only in ff, not in epiphany ( and probably not in iceape either )`
`10:16.52`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: hmm, I do see a dead symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins`
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`10:18.31`	`Quibus`	`it seems the alternative firefox-javaplugin.so is broken`
`10:18.34`	`geo-rge`	`jabba_: in general it is NOT a good idea to use sid packages in testing... it's probably not all that differentiated at the moment however`
`10:19.00`	`jabba_`	`that's because i mask all sid out, besides one`
`10:19.10`	`jabba_`	`sid has prio 50`
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`10:19.14`	`geo-rge`	`having said that, if you can get the package to -build-, that should work`
`10:19.42`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: aha, that particular alternative was also disabled. Enabling it gives me the plugin in Firefox now, wwithout restarting`
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`10:20.46`	`geo-rge`	`jabba_: the thing is that something as big as iceweasel will need libs, possibly even libc... and upgrading that could lead you down a path you don't want to go`
`10:21.05`	`Guerin`	`iceweasel needs libstdc++, iirc`
`10:21.11`	`Guerin`	`which is quite important`
`10:21.22`	`Guerin`	`better to just use the package from mozilla.org`
`10:21.27`	`geo-rge`	`doesn't use anything in libc tho?`
`10:21.55`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: yeh, it does too`
`10:22.05`	`geo-rge`	`or build iceweasel himself, that shouldwork`
`10:22.05`	`Guerin`	`though all this doesn't change the fact that pinning should work as documented`
`10:22.33`	`jabba_`	`Guerin, funny is for example now, i masked sid now with prio 5 (never install)`
`10:22.46`	`jabba_`	`then apt-get install hwtools`
`10:22.51`	`geo-rge`	`it would mean, tho, that he gets a new libstdc++ (at minimum), yes?`
`10:22.52`	`jabba_`	`(which is only in sid)`
`10:23.02`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: and it works?`
`10:23.09`	`jabba_`	`and it installs`
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`10:23.15`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: unless sid and etch versions are similar enough`
`10:23.19`	`jabba_`	`i tought it shouldn't`
`10:23.29`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: strange things afoot at bthe circle K`
`10:23.33`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: which right now they should be`
`10:23.42`	`Guerin`	`jabba_: check BTS and perhaps file teh bug`
`10:23.52`	`jabba_`	`BTS?`
`10:24.01`	`geo-rge`	`bugs.debian.org`
`10:24.02`	`Guerin`	`!bts`
`10:24.03`	`dpkg`	`hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
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`10:24.34`	`x_link`	`I just have a question`
`10:24.40`	`x_link`	`I installed LimeWire --> /mnt/sedde/Programs/LimeWire 4.13.0 there.`
`10:24.46`	`geo-rge`	`ahh, there is a channel policy regarding sid and bugs`
`10:24.48`	`x_link`	`How do I un-install it? Can I just delete the file or what?`
`10:25.15`	`jabba_`	`geo-rge, oh, my fault!`
`10:25.18`	`x_link`	`It's a .rpm file and a .deb f ile.`
`10:25.21`	`jabba_`	`<0 is masking`
`10:25.21`	`Guerin`	`x_link: how did you install it?`
`10:25.27`	`jabba_`	`d'oh`
`10:25.29`	`x_link`	`With alien.`
`10:25.44`	`x_link`	`dpkg -i limewire-free_{version-number}_i386.deb like that.`
`10:25.44`	`dpkg`	`package limewire-free_{version-number}_i386.deb like that. is already installed`
`10:26.05`	`Guerin`	`x_link: dpkg -P limewire-free should kill it dead`
`10:26.26`	`x_link`	`Okey, so if I do that then the program will be uninstalled?`
`10:26.36`	`Guerin`	`x_link: that's the idea.`
`10:26.49`	`geo-rge`	`if the uninstall scripts work, yes.`
`10:26.52`	`x_link`	`Okey, thanks mate! I will try that now.`
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`10:27.06`	`x_link`	`Yeah it worked, can I delete the file now Guerin ?`
`10:27.12`	`Guerin`	`x_link: please do.`
`10:27.30`	`Guerin`	`lamewire should be eradicated from all machines`
`10:27.30`	`x_link`	`Okey, thanks alot for your help & support, I really appreciate it alot! =)`
`10:27.39`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: hmm, OK, it is detected now, but it definately does not work....`
`10:27.41`	`x_link`	`Guerin: hehe I need a p2p program.`
`10:27.51`	`x_link`	`But no Java programs works on this machine =/.`
`10:28.10`	`geo-rge`	`x_link: can't get child porn any other way, eh? :)`
`10:28.14`	`x_link`	`Just cause I use Beryl, and Sun Java and Beryl doesn't work together, not for me anything.`
`10:28.18`	`x_link`	`geo-rge: hehehe.`
`10:28.20`	`Guerin`	`roll on gpl sun-java`
`10:28.24`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: if you said somethign to me in the last 5 minutes, I missed it`
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`10:28.28`	`x_link`	`Guerin: What?`
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`10:28.41`	`Guerin`	`x_link: sun are gpling java, supposedly by March`
`10:28.52`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: nah, i didnt, got the plugin to be found, as did you`
`10:28.53`	`Guerin`	`x_link: they've already rel;eased bits under the gpl`
`10:28.59`	`Guerin`	`then the madness will stop`
`10:29.04`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: you could try the alternative plugin i mentioned above`
`10:29.06`	`geo-rge`	`so people are going to march on sun?`
`10:29.18`	`Guerin`	`like the madness Quibus has been dealing with for the past several hours`
`10:29.25`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: it seems that it only looks at /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, which is teh old location`
`10:29.46`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: it does look at /usr/lib/firefox/plugins too`
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`10:30.09`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: yeah, but there's nothing there on my system`
`10:30.16`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: i see`
`10:30.18`	`Quibus`	`except that libunixprintplugin.so`
`10:30.29`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: just doesnt seem to look at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins`
`10:30.30`	`x_link`	`Guerin: Okey, so it's a java "bug" or maybe I didn't undertand you right?`
`10:30.48`	`Quibus`	`indeed`
`10:30.57`	`Quibus`	`hmm`
`10:31.06`	`Quibus`	`$ apt-file search libunixprintplugin.so`
`10:31.08`	`Quibus`	`$`
`10:31.19`	`valdyn`	`Quibus: playing the games at inetplay.de always was tricky ( even if java ran, sun's plugins broke`
`10:32.26`	`Guerin`	`x_link: java is a waste of time at the moment. Don't bother with it until it's free.`
`10:33.33`	`Quibus`	`hm,m the file is in the firefox package`
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`10:33.44`	`geo-rge`	`x_link: could be. if it's a sid package, you have to look it up yourself to see if so or if not`
`10:33.45`	`qiyong`	`!i810`
`10:34.05`	`geo-rge`	`qiyong: /msg dpkg i810`
`10:34.13`	`geo-rge`	`that's how to do that`
`10:34.42`	`jabba_`	`geo-rge, doesn't work either`
`10:34.56`	`jabba_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:35.07`	`jabba_`	`erm`
`10:35.08`	`jabba_`	`no`
`10:35.28`	`jabba_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:35.29`	`geo-rge`	`I seem to have a missing !...`
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`10:35.56`	`jabba_`	`no thats neither correct`
`10:36.16`	`jabba_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:36.19`	`geo-rge`	`in any case, joining and then !ing is a bit antisocial :)`
`10:36.32`	`jabba_`	`:P`
`10:36.35`	`x_link`	`geo-rge: I use Debian Etch.`
`10:36.50`	`x_link`	`But okey...`
`10:37.12`	`geo-rge`	`but is not iceweasel a sid package?`
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`10:38.23`	`x_link`	`geo-rge: I don't know he`
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`10:39.00`	`Fox`	`etch doesn't have iceweasel`
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`10:41.05`	`geo-rge`	`x_link: so you would check the bts for that package (and its depends)`
`10:41.07`	`rhalff`	`best streaming server software ?`
`10:41.17`	`Guerin`	`!best`
`10:41.17`	`dpkg`	`Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!`
`10:41.25`	`Fox`	`rhalff: video or audio ?`
`10:41.31`	`rhalff`	`Fox: Video`
`10:41.35`	`x_link`	`Guerin: I'm a newbie, I don't know how to do that =&`
`10:41.35`	`Fox`	`vlc`
`10:41.36`	`x_link`	`brb`
`10:41.50`	`Guerin`	`rhalff: vlc FTW`
`10:41.50`	`rhalff`	`Fox: using macs on the client side`
`10:41.51`	`Guerin`	`rhalff: though http also works well`
`10:41.53`	`rhalff`	`better then the darwin streaming server ?`
`10:42.00`	`Fox`	`vlc again then`
`10:42.03`	`Guerin`	`!htfswk rhalff`
`10:42.04`	`dpkg`	`rhalff: How The Fuck Should We Know?`
`10:42.20`	`rhalff`	`you seem to know, so.. :p`
`10:42.31`	`Guerin`	`yeah, because this is #mactards`
`10:42.35`	`Fox`	`never used a mac and never will :)`
`10:42.47`	`rhalff`	`macbook is great`
`10:42.53`	`Guerin`	`i have, but I'd never buy one`
`10:42.58`	`rhalff`	`iphone even better, you've seen it ? :p`
`10:43.00`	`geo-rge`	`I might, exceot the hardware is expensive`
`10:43.07`	`Guerin`	`and if I did own one, damned if I'd run OSX on it`
`10:43.14`	`Guerin`	`fuck the iphone`
`10:43.17`	`Guerin`	`jesus`
`10:43.24`	`Guerin`	`it's a glorified mp3 player`
`10:43.27`	`janttsu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:43.32`	`Fox`	`fuck jesus with an iphone`
`10:43.34`	`rhalff`	`neh it isn't`
`10:43.40`	`Guerin`	`this is why mactards piss me off`
`10:43.42`	`hagabaka`	`Women without Hats!?`
`10:43.47`	`hagabaka`	`dpkg is crazy`
`10:43.51`	`karmatronic`	`vlc rules`
`10:43.53`	`Guerin`	`they think Jobs' shit don't stink`
`10:43.55`	`geo-rge`	`hagabaka: yeah, can you imagine?`
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`10:44.08`	`Guerin`	`hagabaka: dpkg is the distilled essence of #debian, so it stands to reason`
`10:44.39`	`christopherl`	`how do I open a root file that I want to edit?`
`10:44.44`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: be root.`
`10:44.52`	`karmatronic`	`christopherl: vi your_file`
`10:44.54`	`geo-rge`	`christopherl: you need a root file editor...`
`10:44.57`	`Guerin`	`gods, not vi`
`10:45.03`	`geo-rge`	`or you need to eat your root food.,,`
`10:45.09`	`karmatronic`	`christopherl: apt-ge install sux`
`10:45.13`	`Guerin`	`the poor lad doesn't know how to edit a file as root, at least let him use nano`
`10:45.17`	`karmatronic`	`christopherl: apt-get install sux`
`10:45.23`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: wtf?`
`10:45.36`	`christopherl`	`nano fille in root terminal?`
`10:45.40`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: yes.`
`10:45.48`	`christopherl`	`dont work`
`10:45.53`	`fontpd`	`does nano auto-linewrap?`
`10:45.54`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: ignore karmatronic, who appears to be suffering a crack overdose.`
`10:46.03`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: offer it better hours.`
`10:46.06`	`fontpd`	`that got me in trouble editing root-only files back in the day.`
`10:46.09`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: come on !`
`10:46.11`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: it does if you want it to`
`10:46.23`	`geo-rge`	`christopherl: yes it does :P sounds like you don't have root access?`
`10:46.23`	`fontpd`	`i think i was using pico`
`10:46.33`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: honestly, vi and sux to edit a file? You need your brain reconditioned.`
`10:46.45`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: vi to edit file`
`10:46.49`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: nano is like pico but better`
`10:46.57`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: sux if you want to use X editors`
`10:46.59`	`fontpd`	`i haven't used pico in about 8 years.`
`10:46.59`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: yeah, why?`
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`10:47.16`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: well there s a lot of people using vi (i do )`
`10:47.17`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: vi is the wrong fucking editor for anyone who's not already a unix guru.`
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`10:47.38`	`fontpd`	`and if you dont know how to use vi, you should probably not be messing with root files.`
`10:47.41`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: i dont consider myself an unix guru and i m using vi`
`10:47.45`	`geo-rge`	`shorter: wayne?`
`10:47.46`	`christopherl`	`kwrite?`
`10:47.48`	`karmatronic`	`s/vi/vim`
`10:47.56`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: use nano.`
`10:48.16`	`Guerin`	christopherl: type `nano /path/to/the/file <enter> in a root terminal
`10:48.33`	`Guerin`	`christopherl: you can tell a root terminal because the last character before the cursor is a #`
`10:48.45`	`geo-rge`	`karmatronic: so do you like vi?`
`10:48.50`	`Ronin`	`may i suggest making a backup of the file first as well christopherl`
`10:48.54`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: love it`
`10:49.08`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: it s available on any unix system`
`10:49.14`	`christopherl`	`ok`
`10:49.16`	`geo-rge`	`so is ed`
`10:49.21`	`fontpd`	`this is getting dangerously close to a text editor flame-war/pissing match`
`10:49.24`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: ed s ok too`
`10:49.25`	`Ronin`	`karmatronic: it is and a good one to know also, but not the easiext for new users`
`10:49.30`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: and equally unusable.`
`10:49.37`	`Guerin`	`fontpd: that NEVER happens!`
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`10:49.42`	`Guerin`	`!start an editor war`
`10:49.43`	`fontpd`	`heh`
`10:49.43`	`dpkg`	`ae doesn't deserve to be in debian`
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`10:50.07`	`geo-rge`	`I liked ae :P`
`10:50.12`	`karmatronic`	`Ronin: i m just saying , dedicating time to manage vi is a valuable effort`
`10:50.30`	`Guerin`	`vi is a good editor to have minimal competence in, the problem is that it takes as much effort to achieve minimal competence in it as to become an expert in almost any other editor`
`10:50.30`	`Ronin`	`karmatronic: not arguing that but is editing a root file the best time to learn vi? :)`
`10:50.44`	`Guerin`	`excluding emacs, though at least emacs lets you fucking type when you firt open it`
`10:50.46`	`karmatronic`	`Ronin: right`
`10:51.18`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: do you think this deserve a bug report somewhere?`
`10:51.47`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: but if you re really a newbie then it s better to use an X editor`
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`10:51.57`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: something like gedit`
`10:52.05`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: absolutely not, because it's a pain in the arse to set up.`
`10:52.08`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: whith syntax coloration at least`
`10:52.32`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: why? syntax highlighting is just more confusion to people who don't understand what it means.`
`10:52.38`	`Guerin`	`jesus`
`10:52.39`	`geo-rge`	`some-where when I report bugs... maints will sigh... my re ports will be crazy... minds start to petrify....`
`10:53.06`	`cydork`	`Guerin: ever looked at perl code without systax hightlighting? :)`
`10:53.08`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: well ,seems obvious that we wont agree :)`
`10:53.30`	`geo-rge`	`cydork: perl can't be properly highlighted in all cases tho`
`10:53.40`	`karmatronic`	`Guerin: if you re editing any conf file , syntax highlighting is a must`
`10:53.40`	`Guerin`	`cydork: let's see ... black and white, like an email, or angry fruit salad....`
`10:53.56`	`cydork`	`hehe`
`10:53.58`	`Guerin`	`karmatronic: bullshit.`
`10:54.04`	`karmatronic`	`:)`
`10:54.10`	`Ronin`	`heh angry fruit salad`
`10:54.19`	`geo-rge`	`karmatronic: can you think of a time when that wasn't true?`
`10:54.26`	`Quibus`	`s`
`10:54.40`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: yeah , when those guys were using vi`
`10:54.54`	`geo-rge`	`what else was happening then?`
`10:54.59`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: and couldnt open their files`
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`10:55.23`	`geo-rge`	`btw, do you think that, at that time, they used x?`
`10:55.32`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: anyway, should we/I file a bug report to some package for this?`
`10:55.45`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: no they didnt`
`10:55.53`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: but it was useless`
`10:55.59`	`geo-rge`	`what did they use?`
`10:56.13`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: i dont get where you re going ...`
`10:57.08`	`geo-rge`	`to here: there was once a time when syntax highlighting was impossible, due to the fact that unix (the only variant at the time) used dumb terminals`
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`10:57.34`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: so people couldnt use it`
`10:57.46`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: but now it s available so , let s use it`
`10:57.50`	`yang`	`grrr, nmap shows me 25/tcp filtered smtp, and I can't see any filter applied on my box at all....what the heck?`
`10:57.53`	`geo-rge`	`and yet people were able to do their jobs even if it involved unhilited syntax on config files`
`10:58.27`	`petemc`	`yang: your isp may be filtering port 25, which is a good idea on residential connections`
`10:58.35`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: if you have it , it s cool to use`
`10:58.42`	`geo-rge`	`karmatronic: so when you say that syntax highlighting is -necessary-, that's not actually correct :)`
`10:58.49`	`yang`	`petemc: i called them 5 min. ago and the dude said to me, they aren't filtering incoming 25....`
`10:59.04`	`fontpd`	`maybe your colo box / router is filtering it`
`10:59.09`	`karmatronic`	`fontpd: es`
`10:59.28`	`yang`	`no, my router is also a mail server`
`10:59.32`	`fontpd`	`you dont need smtp open to the outside world anyhow`
`10:59.32`	`Ronin`	`maybe the tier 1 phone monkey doesnt know?`
`10:59.38`	`yang`	`i flushed iptables and all`
`10:59.45`	`fontpd`	`OMG HE'S DEVIATING FROM THE SCRIPT`
`10:59.45`	`karmatronic`	`geo-rge: sorry , i ll chnage that to :when it s available , it s interesting`
`11:00.11`	`geo-rge`	`karmatronic: but if you were to say "syntax hiliting that -works- is good to use", I'd have to agree`
`11:00.41`	`yang`	`fontpd: what do you mean, i do accept mail locally, i don't want my provider to read my mails...`
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`11:01.32`	`fontpd`	`your provider could care less about your email`
`11:01.38`	`Ronin`	`yang: then you've of course encrypted it all?`
`11:01.42`	`geo-rge`	`yang: maybe your router is filtering 25, if you disabled mailserver functionality in thye router`
`11:02.04`	`qiyong`	`(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes`
`11:02.05`	`yang`	`tcp 0 0 213.213.213.213:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3638/exim4 off (0.00/0/0)`
`11:02.11`	`karmatronic`	`quit`
`11:03.17`	`yang`	`fontpd: i am just telling you that i care about privacy, i don't want to use their server for incoming mails`
`11:03.40`	`Ronin`	`umm yang it travles on thier network, they can read it if they so choose`
`11:04.24`	`yang`	`Ronin: i am paying for the service, why would they need to read my email`
`11:04.47`	`Ronin`	`yang: its thier network right?`
`11:05.01`	`yang`	`i am not living in the damn usa, where they read conspiracy emails`
`11:05.49`	`fontpd`	`privacy is not really the best reason to run your own mailserer`
`11:05.49`	`Ronin`	`yang: go read the TOS you signed, but in anycase unless you've encrypted your email just consider it like sending a postcard :)`
`11:05.50`	`fontpd`	`use hushmail or pgpmail`
`11:06.41`	`yang`	`well anyway, i think nothing filters it from my side, so it must be ISP that started filtering it....it used to work well a few days ago`
`11:06.53`	`geo-rge`	`yang: doesn't matter, they have the ability to read your mail (as ALL of your packets) whenever they try`
`11:07.22`	`petemc`	`not if you use encryption..`
`11:07.37`	`yang`	`geo-rge: it's still harder to catch emails, if they arent really put straight into their inbox`
`11:08.09`	`geo-rge`	`yang: so it would be good to know what happened "a few days ago", their actions and yours`
`11:08.22`	`geo-rge`	`were you running an open relay?`
`11:08.31`	`yang`	`well, how many people really uses encryption today..I only know computer geeks, most will use gmail addresses`
`11:08.50`	`fontpd`	`who really runs their own mail server today... I only know computer geeks, most will use gmail addresses`
`11:09.29`	`yang`	`geo-rge: no, nothing like that`
`11:09.33`	`geo-rge`	`if you were running an open relay, they might have the right to shut you down totally, take your account, cancel, gone... maybe not. read your aup`
`11:09.34`	`fontpd`	`189 down, 15 to go`
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`11:10.23`	`yang`	`geo-rge: the mails just stopped coming, like 3 days ago...later i figured that the port has been filtered....damn I will call that ISP dude again....`
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`11:10.57`	`geo-rge`	`yang: you should exhaust any possibility that something you did caused the filtering`
`11:11.11`	`yang`	`but, what could i do, i changed nothing`
`11:11.20`	`geo-rge`	`and document that process as well as other things you did to gather information`
`11:11.30`	`geo-rge`	`THEN call the isp dude again`
`11:11.46`	`geo-rge`	`didn't install any packages?`
`11:11.54`	`yang`	`geo-rge: you see i can connect to port 25 from LAN, but not from outside internet`
`11:12.06`	`geo-rge`	`oh, ok...`
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`11:12.33`	`geo-rge`	`what's the machine just inside the dsl/cable modem?`
`11:13.17`	`yang`	`geo-rge: i could try resetting the modem, just for test`
`11:13.35`	`yang`	`geo-rge: the machine is plugged on modem`
`11:13.42`	`yang`	`and its acting like a router`
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`11:14.24`	`geo-rge`	`ok, so: there is a machine just inside your local net and you have a router functionality on that machine...`
`11:14.51`	`yang`	`yes`
`11:14.57`	`geo-rge`	`and there is a machine within that receives your e`
`11:15.02`	`yang`	`no`
`11:15.07`	`geo-rge`	`mails?`
`11:15.08`	`yang`	`that machine is a router and a mailserver`
`11:15.12`	`yang`	`all together`
`11:15.20`	`yang`	`acts like a gateway`
`11:15.23`	`geo-rge`	`(not the best situation btw)`
`11:15.37`	`petemc`	`why not?`
`11:15.46`	`fontpd`	`are you sure there's not something wierd with the port mapping?`
`11:15.54`	`geo-rge`	`traditionally, a gateway/router box should not also be running services`
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`11:16.23`	`fontpd`	`if you can only hit it from the inside, then your natting could be ownky.`
`11:16.24`	`fontpd`	`wonky`
`11:16.29`	`yang`	`fontpd: well netstat -plont says that the port is opened`
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`11:17.22`	`fontpd`	`if you can hit it from the inside, but not the outside, then there may be somethign wrong with your address translation... I assume it has an rfc 1918 address.`
`11:17.23`	`yang`	`I run dovecot, courier imap, exim4 and spamassasin`
`11:17.26`	`fontpd`	`(on the inside)`
`11:17.49`	`fontpd`	`can you connect to it locally ? from the gateway ?`
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`11:17.59`	`manup`	`my sound doesnt work. i think i configured it right, but i dont know how tu unmute it.`
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`11:18.11`	`manup`	`how do i unmute my sound?`
`11:18.15`	`yang`	`yes i can`
`11:18.20`	`geo-rge`	`manup: try alsamixer if you're using alsa drive`
`11:18.22`	`geo-rge`	`r`
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`11:18.57`	`manup`	`geo-rge, i use alsa. but in alsamixer it seems to be unmuted.`
`11:18.58`	`fontpd`	`on the external interface?`
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`11:19.07`	`petemc`	`yang: exim4 -bP local_interfaces`
`11:19.23`	`petemc`	`yang: tho i do believe if you're seeing it as being filtered, theres not much you can do`
`11:19.37`	`tenzing_`	`hi ... do we have any P2P client for debian?`
`11:19.37`	`geo-rge`	`manup: try raising the output levels, both master and the thing you want to listen to`
`11:19.41`	`yang`	`petemc: i have a public internet IP added there`
`11:19.59`	`yang`	`petemc: it used to work with that configuration for months and it stopped just recently`
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`11:20.32`	`fontpd`	`do you have any other internet facing services that stopped working as well?`
`11:20.43`	`manup`	`geo-rge, i use a notebook and i see that little light at my notebook which shows me, that the card is muted. so raising the level has no effect.`
`11:20.53`	`yang`	`fontpd: no`
`11:21.10`	`yang`	`fontpd: I will reset the modem will be back shortly`
`11:21.14`	`petemc`	`yang: whats the ip, ill see if i can connect to it`
`11:21.26`	`yang`	`petemc: mail.prunk.be`
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`11:22.32`	`yang`	`petemc: nmap from the outside box shows that port as "filtered"`
`11:22.46`	`petemc`	`yang: yes, it does`
`11:22.57`	`petemc`	`yang: i fear you're wasting your time`
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`11:23.33`	`yang`	`petemc: i will just reset the modem, and later i call the ISP again`
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`11:24.15`	`jariep1_`	`can somebody help troubleshoot wine install`
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`11:24.25`	`yang`	`brb`
`11:24.28`	`jariep1_`	`ok`
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`11:27.09`	`christopherl`	`I think I killed my Ubuntu when I Installed Debian. How can I see if its still alive?`
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`11:28.34`	`eisen`	`christopherl: chroot into it?`
`11:28.43`	`petemc`	`boot it`
`11:29.00`	`christopherl`	`I cant see it in the boot menu`
`11:29.06`	`christopherl`	`only debian`
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`11:29.37`	`petemc`	`christopherl: that is easily fixed`
`11:29.52`	`christopherl`	`how`
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`11:30.02`	`petemc`	`christopherl: using grub?`
`11:30.20`	`christopherl`	`yes I think so`
`11:30.44`	`hagabaka`	`I used dh_make and then dpkg-buildpackage, but the result deb package contains only empty directories and no files. in the debian/packagename directory, i see the files built, but in the debian/tmp directories they are not there. why?`
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`11:31.03`	`petemc`	`christopherl: add an entry to /boot/grub/menu.lst , there are countless guides`
`11:32.12`	`speyer`	`i just run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade now is askinn to configure locales what locales should i select ?`
`11:32.27`	`fontpd`	`just do the default`
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`11:32.49`	`speyer`	`all i want is to update to kernel 2.6 so i can have support for my sata hdd`
`11:32.54`	`speyer`	`fontpd there are non selected`
`11:33.29`	`geo-rge`	`speyer: that may or may not get you needee`
`11:33.40`	`geo-rge`	`d kernel.`
`11:34.10`	`speyer`	`btw what should i do with this locales ?`
`11:36.21`	`petemc`	`speyer: choose en_GB.UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1 , or both`
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`11:36.39`	`jariep1_`	`hi all`
`11:36.59`	`speyer`	`petemc ok thanks`
`11:38.49`	`jariep1_`	`hi all`
`11:39.07`	`jariep1_`	`can someone here help me troubleshoot a bug I am having installing wine`
`11:39.09`	`jariep1_`	`http://pastebin.ca/317210`
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`11:42.32`	`yang`	`petemc: ISP has applied some network filtering system for all clients...`
`11:42.55`	`yang`	`petemc: getting me a static ip now`
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`11:46.20`	`christopherl`	`I want to remove another Debian that are installed, can I do it from the desktop enviroment?`
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`11:50.00`	`fireba11`	`christopherl: your question makes no sense to me`
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`11:51.21`	`humbolto`	`is there a way to save a lvm image to disk with partimage? seems like it can only read physical partitions.`
`11:52.14`	`christopherl`	`Is there an partion manager in the KDE desktop?`
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`11:53.29`	`LLcoolM`	`grrml, why is the grub binary not amd64?`
`11:53.55`	`eisen`	`christopherl: there's qtparted as a frontend for parted which uses Qt`
`11:54.09`	`LLcoolM`	`it is i386 so a x86_64-only kernel cannot compile it if it is unable to execute 32-bit code`
`11:54.24`	`christopherl`	`eisen: what do ypu mena?`
`11:54.58`	`eisen`	`Qt is the toolkit kde is based on`
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`11:55.14`	`eisen`	`try it out, it might be what you are looking for`
`11:55.23`	`aldelv`	`HI all, I have this strange problem that my keyboard produces spurious dupliccate characters. I do not have this problem under windows. Suggestions`
`11:55.31`	`christopherl`	`eisen: how do I open that?`
`11:55.46`	`eisen`	`christopherl: you have to install it first`
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`11:56.51`	`Brujah`	`moin`
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`11:59.44`	`sam_uk`	`aldelv: man setkeycodes should help, look at the SEE ALSO section on that page too...`
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`12:00.39`	`Brujah`	`I set up a subversion directory with svnserve. When users commit changes to it the files owner is set to root. Where can I change that?`
`12:01.36`	`dererk[work]`	`G'Morning :)`
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`12:10.05`	`DavidProck1981`	`can someone tell me how I can take the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and be able to use it with a 512MB USB Drive, instead of putting it on a cd`
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`12:11.31`	`Skaag`	`what's a good network logger that can service multiple servers? (I want several boxes to send their syslog to one primary server)`
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`12:13.08`	`petemc`	`Skaag: syslog-ng can do that`
`12:13.14`	`jelly-home`	`!usb install`
`12:13.14`	`dpkg`	`methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/`
`12:14.10`	`speyer`	`should i get linux-image-2.6-686 or 386 ?`
`12:14.24`	`speyer`	`whats the diff. ?`
`12:14.28`	`jelly-home`	`speyer: which cpu do you have?`
`12:14.48`	`speyer`	`3`
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`12:15.15`	`speyer`	`and pt 4`
`12:16.07`	`DavidProck1981`	`if you have a P4 get the 686`
`12:16.14`	`jelly-home`	`Sorry, missed it. In any case, anything newer than a P2 or an athlon on amd side -- 686`
`12:16.49`	`DavidProck1981`	`lator`
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`12:18.00`	`speyer`	`DavidProck1981 and then all i need is to reboot to use the new kernel ?`
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`12:18.32`	`speyer`	`Pentium4 515 (P) 2.93 GHz`
`12:18.56`	`speyer`	`does debian support Intel 915G chipset ?`
`12:19.25`	`smiler`	`speyer: does linux support it is the question you want to ask... and yes, it does :)`
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`12:20.10`	`speyer`	`smiler :)`
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`12:20.32`	`speyer`	`smiler whats the driver i need to select in xserver config ? i810 ?`
`12:20.41`	`Joenin`	`you tell me`
`12:20.52`	`smiler`	`speyer: yes`
`12:21.14`	`smiler`	`speyer: you might need to use the 915resolution-tool aswell if you want a widescreen resolution`
`12:21.29`	`speyer`	`smiler ok thanks hope works , it didnt last time i select i810`
`12:22.07`	`smiler`	`speyer: running fine here (on a gentoo machine though) using http://www.smiler.se/files/conf/d420/xorg.conf`
`12:22.18`	`speyer`	`* dpkg has quit (Client Quit) :(`
`12:22.56`	`speyer`	`smiler will it work if i just copy paste your config ?`
`12:24.03`	`smiler`	`speyer: only if you have the same input devices as me :P`
`12:24.04`	`smiler`	`and resolution`
`12:24.14`	`smiler`	`speyer: what resolution are you planning to run?`
`12:24.50`	`speyer`	`1024 960`
`12:25.19`	`speyer`	`or 1024x768`
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`12:25.28`	`smiler`	`speyer: ok, thats widescreen.. so you probably need to patch the vga-bios (ist a soft operation, it wont destroy it :)`
`12:25.41`	`smiler`	`speyer: look for a package named 915resolution`
`12:25.48`	`speyer`	`ok`
`12:26.11`	`PingFloyd`	`1024x768 isn't widescreen`
`12:26.24`	`fireba11`	`and 1024*960 isn't either`
`12:26.37`	`smiler`	`1024*960 is eh? atleast it isnt 4:3`
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`12:27.04`	`PingFloyd`	`1024x960 is just an odd mode, but not widescreen`
`12:27.11`	`smiler`	`anyways, 1024*960 probably isn't listed in that chipsets VBIOS`
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`12:30.50`	`PingFloyd`	`if X doesn't negotiate the proper resolution@refresh for your monitor, that also can cause you not to be able to access certain video modes. In those cases, it's a matter of putting setting into the config to direct it more precisely`
`12:31.06`	`speyer`	`brb`
`12:31.22`	`PingFloyd`	`you can tell if that's the case by looking at the log usually`
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`12:33.10`	`aldelv`	`Needs some help with keyboard on KDE. Works on true console and on xterm started from xinit but when I start kde from KDM i often get two ore more chacterers per keystroke`
`12:33.47`	`smiler`	`sounds abit like an utf8-problem but I dont know enough about kdm/kde to be sure`
`12:34.45`	`Quibus`	`valdyn: ? Are you still with me?`
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`12:36.08`	`osiris`	`can anybody explain how i can install progs from a tar.gz archieve?`
`12:37.38`	`blondie`	`osiris: read the instructions for whatever it is?`
`12:38.33`	`aldelv`	`osiris : tar xzvf <file> and read the README`
`12:39.21`	`PingFloyd`	`what are you trying to do osiris?`
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`12:40.34`	`osiris`	`normally packages come as deb right?`
`12:40.42`	`dimir`	`YE!`
`12:40.42`	`tarzeau`	`osiris: yes`
`12:40.44`	`PingFloyd`	`osiris: for Debian, yes`
`12:40.47`	`Ronin`	`osiris: correct and its normally apt-get install`
`12:40.49`	`osiris`	`but if i got tar.gz`
`12:41.02`	`tarzeau`	`osiris: create a deb?`
`12:41.02`	`tarzeau`	`osiris: what tar.gz is that?`
`12:41.03`	`osiris`	`and i want to install the package anywaay`
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`12:41.20`	`maddash`	`checkinstall`
`12:41.20`	`geo-rge`	`osiris: install it into /usr/local/somewhere`
`12:41.21`	`PingFloyd`	`osiris: that requires making a package in that case`
`12:41.30`	`maddash`	`osiris: google checkinstall`
`12:41.35`	`geo-rge`	`no, that's not required`
`12:41.57`	`Ronin`	`osiris: have you checked if its available as a .deb? just curious`
`12:41.58`	`maddash`	`he wants to make a .deb package. that's the easiest way i can think of.`
`12:42.12`	`PingFloyd`	`right, checkinstall isn't required, but it's helpful`
`12:42.23`	`geo-rge`	`oh, he does? I thought he just wanted to install the software`
`12:42.35`	`PingFloyd`	`makes for nice clean installation and removal to the system in an easy way`
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`12:42.47`	`osiris`	`yes i checked but not availeble`
`12:42.55`	`osiris`	`only tar.gz`
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`12:43.09`	`geo-rge`	`osiris: what is the whole name of the .tar.gz?`
`12:43.12`	`PingFloyd`	`what's the program you want?`
`12:43.15`	`maddash`	`osiris: I'm confused. do you want to just install or create a .deb?`
`12:43.22`	`osiris`	`i can unzip it but then i only got the sourcecodes of the files`
`12:43.24`	`cat`	`lol`
`12:43.46`	`geo-rge`	`osiris: is there a dir in there called debian?>`
`12:43.58`	`osiris`	`not in the source`
`12:44.07`	`Ronin`	`a README? or an INSTALL file?`
`12:44.12`	`geo-rge`	`ok, configure.in?`
`12:44.28`	`PingFloyd`	`osiris: if you go with a source package like that, you'll have to build it, then at that point it's a question of how you want to install it to the system`
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`12:45.20`	`osiris`	`dont i have to compile the xyz.cpp?`
`12:45.23`	`geo-rge`	`installing it into /usr would be "messing with debian packaging"... bad things can happen if you do that... but you can install into /usr/local`
`12:45.31`	`maddash`	osiris: yes, and to continue what PingFloyd suggested, make sure that you have 'make' and 'gcc'/'g++' installed, then run `./configure` in the source directory
`12:45.40`	`cat`	`have you read the new mainteiners guide?`
`12:45.44`	`maddash`	`osiris: no, you do need to compile`
`12:45.51`	`PingFloyd`	`yeah, make sure, whatever you do, you prefix it to /usr/local`
`12:45.56`	`geo-rge`	`osiris: I'll go to an earlier question... is there a README file?`
`12:46.20`	`Ronin`	`osiris: this application you're installing, your positive you cant do it the easy way with apt-get install etc.?`
`12:46.25`	`osiris`	`yes but does not maintain anything`
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`12:46.55`	`Azio`	`hello all :D`
`12:47.06`	`cat`	`hello Azio`
`12:47.06`	`PingFloyd`	`source isn't maintained from a distribution stand point`
`12:47.21`	`PingFloyd`	`generally`
`12:47.29`	`osiris`	`okay i copied the files in to usr/local ...`
`12:47.31`	`geo-rge`	`PingFloyd: actually it is... you can get source for any debian package in main`
`12:47.32`	`Azio`	`have an interesting question today :( :D`
`12:47.46`	`cat`	`ask... or stay quiet.`
`12:47.48`	`geo-rge`	`osiris: is there a readme file?`
`12:47.51`	`maddash`	`osiris: no no, don't copy the sources to usr/local....copy the compiled binaries there`
`12:47.51`	`PingFloyd`	`geo-rge: that's kind of a different thing though :)`
`12:47.54`	`Azio`	`oki cat, sorry :)`
`12:48.15`	`PingFloyd`	`I meant more in the reference from upstream tarballs`
`12:48.21`	`Azio`	`having some rather dire issues :< all of a sudden one of my ip's lets call it 192.168.0.14 is no longer responding to ping or SSH`
`12:48.24`	`tiagosab`	`Hi! How do I cancel a parallel connection? I printed a test page in cups, it did not work, but the kernel keep sending me write timeout on parport0.`
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`12:48.33`	`Azio`	`However somehow ive managed to login to it from a local machine, lets call that machine 192.168.0.13!`
`12:48.40`	`cat`	`right`
`12:48.45`	`osiris`	`okay listen`
`12:48.47`	`sam_uk`	`does anyone have a resolution to this; make You don't have gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1, which you need in order to build this software. I have installed all etch packages with gtkmm in the name and still get the error...`
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`12:48.55`	`PingFloyd`	`but even then there is sometimes exceptions, like if they distribute their own .deb`
`12:48.55`	`geo-rge`	`PingFloyd: you said that source is not maintained from a distribution stand point... and I'm saying it absolutely is (but generally for pkgs in main)`
`12:49.09`	`cat`	`sam_uk: apt-cache search gtkmm`
`12:49.10`	`osiris`	`it is for metasploit does anybody know if there is a deb package?`
`12:49.15`	`cat`	`and see if there's any libraries going on`
`12:49.32`	`maddash`	`osiris: search in packages.debian.org`
`12:49.38`	`geo-rge`	`or were you talking about a package not in debian (such as osiris case)`
`12:49.47`	`PingFloyd`	`geo-rge: exactly`
`12:49.54`	`sam_uk`	`i installed all the libgtkmm packages, i guess they are all out of date...`
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`12:50.04`	`PingFloyd`	`talking about source tarballs from upstream, for instance`
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`12:50.19`	`geo-rge`	`well he still has not told us (a) is there a readme and (b) what he's trying to build`
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`12:50.37`	`PingFloyd`	`geo-rge: can't help the ambiguous`
`12:50.46`	`maddash`	`sudo shutdown -r 0`
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`12:50.56`	`Ronin`	`geo-rge: metasploit what ever that is`
`12:50.58`	`RvGaTe`	`How can i mount a directory to a ftp ?`
`12:51.03`	`geo-rge`	`ohshit! you shut down my toaster!!`
`12:51.16`	`cat`	`RvGaTe: by having an ftp,`
`12:51.19`	`cat`	`you upload them`
`12:51.44`	`geo-rge`	`Ronin: ohh, he wants to attack someone`
`12:51.50`	`geo-rge`	`I'm out of this one :P`
`12:51.56`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: ftpfs`
`12:52.05`	`PingFloyd`	`me too, I'm going to help some script kiddy`
`12:52.27`	`cat`	`!kiddy`
`12:52.30`	`osiris`	`no i just want to know atacking is 4 kiddies`
`12:52.43`	`geo-rge`	`wellthen...`
`12:52.43`	`spyro_boy`	`hello`
`12:52.46`	`abrotman`	`!wud`
`12:52.46`	`dpkg`	`nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.`
`12:52.50`	`cat`	`!kiddies`
`12:52.50`	`dpkg`	`kiddies are the lowest scum on the internet, usually know 3 or 4 commands that other kiddies have taught them, if you fall in this category you may leave.`
`12:53.13`	`spyro_boy`	`I installed mythtv the other day and a configuration screen came up from dpkg and now I need it again but Ican't get it back up, any ideas?`
`12:53.31`	`PingFloyd`	`s/going/not going`
`12:53.34`	`cat`	`spyro_boy: dpkg-reconfigure is you're friend`
`12:53.48`	`spyro_boy`	`yay`
`12:53.50`	`osiris`	`omg i knew it`
`12:54.29`	`osiris`	`thats why i did not ask about metasploit`
`12:54.39`	`spyro_boy`	`root@britestar:~# dpkg-reconfigure mythtv`
`12:54.43`	`spyro_boy`	`that returns nothing :(`
`12:54.46`	`cat`	`right`
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`12:54.57`	`Vart`	`hello, where can I get a driver form my Realtek Azalia audio chip wich use Microsoft UAA (Universal Audio Architecture) ? I have debian amd64 testing`
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`12:55.10`	`abrotman`	`spyro_boy: ask #mythtv`
`12:55.18`	`PingFloyd`	`spyro_boy: is mythtv the package name?`
`12:55.27`	`tarzeau`	`can i run for a in 2 4 9; do; echo $a; done in a Makefile somehow?`
`12:55.28`	`abrotman`	`PingFloyd: mythtv isn't in debian`
`12:55.32`	`spyro_boy`	`PingFloyd, it seems to be, I installed it that way`
`12:55.51`	`abrotman`	`!+info mythtv etch`
`12:55.53`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
`12:55.55`	`dpkg`	`Package 'mythtv' does not exist.`
`12:56.02`	`abrotman`	`spyro_boy: thank you`
`12:56.40`	`abrotman`	`spyro_boy: also try .. -plow`
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`12:56.58`	`spyro_boy`	`abrotman, nothing :/`
`12:57.29`	`abrotman`	`spyro_boy: well .. off to #mythtv with you then!`
`12:57.38`	`abrotman`	`spyro_boy: or contact the maintianer for those packages`
`12:57.40`	`abrotman`	`!mythtv`
`12:57.40`	`dpkg`	`mythtv is probably software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to non-free parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv>`
`12:57.41`	`spyro_boy`	`:-)`
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`12:58.13`	`spyro_boy`	`yeah`
`12:58.50`	`geo-rge`	`cat: learning: no such file or directory`
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`12:59.11`	`cat`	`is therE?`
`12:59.18`	`cat`	`i thought it was.`
`12:59.36`	`geo-rge`	`seriously... learning.perl.org`
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`12:59.54`	`cat`	`i have lot's of books about perl, that i've been reading`
`13:00.17`	`cat`	`printf and such.`
`13:00.25`	`Quibus`	`Isn't it a bug that packages still put plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?`
`13:00.47`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: is it a symlink ? or is there one pointing to it ?`
`13:00.48`	`geo-rge`	`dunno... should the plugins be packaged separately?`
`13:01.03`	`cat`	`the plugins are symlink always`
`13:01.29`	`Skaag`	`petemc: thanks, sorry for my delayed response :-)`
`13:01.36`	`Skaag`	`(for pointer to syslog-ng)`
`13:01.40`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: just check apt-file search mozilla-firefox/plugins`
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`13:02.03`	`cat`	`apt-file?`
`13:02.06`	`petemc`	`Skaag: oh right, np :)`
`13:02.28`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: right .. is /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ a symlink ?`
`13:02.29`	`cat`	`apt-file or apt-get?`
`13:02.57`	`Quibus`	`ah, the dir itself? No.`
`13:03.06`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: apparently the package searches both directories ...`
`13:03.10`	`Quibus`	`oh, firefox... let's see`
`13:03.13`	`PingFloyd`	`some of them are`
`13:03.21`	`Quibus`	`no, that is not a symlink`
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`13:03.36`	`Quibus`	`cat: apt-file`
`13:03.44`	`PingFloyd`	`I see an actual file in mine`
`13:03.46`	`cat`	`right..`
`13:04.02`	`cat`	`never seen apt-file in my life.`
`13:04.06`	`cat`	`or try`
`13:04.08`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: dunno why it owuld be a bug though ..`
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`13:04.13`	`Quibus`	`well, get it and have fun`
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`13:04.28`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: because mozilla-firefox was renamed to firefox a long time ago`
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`13:04.35`	`sam_uk`	`i dont get this, the error i get is You don't have gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1, however i have libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm1.2-0c2a installed... I have also installed these http://pastebin.ca/317264 anything else i should get?`
`13:04.39`	`Quibus`	`and now we get iceweasel`
`13:04.54`	`biatche`	`what's the easiest way to duplicate 2 identical hdds? 4 partitions: grub@mbr, ext2 /boot , swap, xfs /, jfs /home with acls + extended attributes..`
`13:05.04`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: the iceweasel thing has already been covered i believe`
`13:05.25`	`marsje_`	`biatche: always the same question I was going to ask :)`
`13:05.57`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: i'm not sure i have any of those installed .. but i do have a /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/`
`13:05.58`	`biatche`	`lol! i asked for you`
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`13:06.51`	`abrotman`	`biatche: exactly identical ?`
`13:06.54`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: the old package 'mozilla-firefox' is really old... You shouldn't have it installed`
`13:07.02`	`biatche`	`well, other than the serial number :/`
`13:07.04`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: i don't ....`
`13:07.06`	`Quibus`	`Yet, packages keep referring or using the old /usr/lib dir`
`13:07.22`	`abrotman`	`oh .. i do ..`
`13:07.25`	`abrotman`	`i bet it's a metapackage`
`13:07.31`	`marsje`	`I have some new bigger harddisks and I want to copy my existing setup to the new harddisk (I want to use RAID1). What is the best, esiest, quickest way to do this?`
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`13:08.02`	`Quibus`	`p mozilla-firefox - Transition package for firefox rename`
`13:08.20`	`geo-rge`	`biatche use tar like this, and as root... mount /dev/something /mnt && (cd /origmountpt ; tar cfpl - .) \| (cd /mnt ; tar xfp -)`
`13:08.31`	`geo-rge`	`that does one of the partitions`
`13:08.37`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: not a big deal .. but anyways ...`
`13:08.43`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: file a bug if you think it is warranted`
`13:09.00`	`abrotman`	`biatche: i think dd would suffice`
`13:09.02`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: well if it makes no sense, I don't want to make a fool of myself :P`
`13:09.27`	`geo-rge`	`Quibus: talk to the maint first then`
`13:09.30`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: you could just email the maintainer and ask ..`
`13:09.41`	`biatche`	`abrotman: dd sounds good, lets say i gotta do sda* --> sdb* .... how does this work? :)`
`13:09.50`	`abrotman`	`very carefully!`
`13:10.01`	`abrotman`	`!maint mozilla-plugin-vlc etch`
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`13:10.04`	`geo-rge`	`man dd`
`13:10.11`	`dpkg`	`mozilla-plugin-vlc: Sam Hocevar (Debian packages) <sam+deb@zoy.org>`
`13:11.01`	`geo-rge`	`email the maint at this addr: mozilla-plugin-vlc@bugs.debian.org`
`13:11.01`	`Quibus`	`it is about 10 packages that do this`
`13:11.01`	`Quibus`	`$ apt-file search mozilla-firefox/plugins \| cut -d ":" -f1 \| uniq`
`13:11.02`	`geo-rge`	`or at: mozilla-plugin-vlc@packages.debian.orgh`
`13:11.30`	`biatche`	`man dd sounds very very dangerous for a newbie :/`
`13:11.38`	`PingFloyd`	`biatche: it is`
`13:11.39`	`sam_uk`	`would it be possible for me to compile a up to date libgtkmm-2.4?? all the versions in debian appear to be too old for my needs.. If so where would i get the source?`
`13:11.48`	`PingFloyd`	`biatche: so read all the docs first`
`13:11.58`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: it is... but at the same time, it's kinda like cat`
`13:12.33`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: just ask one of them`
`13:12.35`	`PingFloyd`	`it's unforgiving about mistakes like a lot of things`
`13:12.41`	`geo-rge`	`it has fancy technical bels n squeaks`
`13:12.58`	`Quibus`	`!maint mozilla-mplayer etch`
`13:13.05`	`dpkg`	`mozilla-mplayer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>`
`13:13.13`	`sam_uk`	`!maint libgtkmm-2.4`
`13:13.37`	`geo-rge`	`guys... you can do: /msg dpkg maint libgtkmm-2.4`
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`13:16.25`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: it would seem like this isn't very dangerous since you can simply start it over... but it is, in that if you type the wrong thing it could erase the wrong hd`
`13:17.01`	`geo-rge`	`once you figure out the full command and it's correct, then the danger is over`
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`13:18.10`	`biatche`	`ok, u wanted me to read. i read. but do tell me if this is correct as reconfirmation: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb`
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`13:18.34`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`13:18.34`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`13:18.49`	`abrotman`	`we'd like you to spell too :)`
`13:18.55`	`PingFloyd`	`geo-rge: at that point, it's avoiding brainfarts :)`
`13:19.14`	`biatche`	`OK, you wanted me to read. I have read. Please do tell me if this is correct as a reconfirmation: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb`
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`13:19.31`	`abrotman`	`what is sda .. what is sdb ?`
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`13:20.02`	`biatche`	`OK, you wanted me to read. I have read. Please do tell me if this is correct as a reconfirmation: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb (sda being the source hdd, and sdb being the destination drive)`
`13:20.20`	`abrotman`	`seems fine ...`
`13:20.23`	`cydork`	`biatche: yes`
`13:20.31`	`abrotman`	`don't throw out the original until you do thorough testing though`
`13:20.46`	`geo-rge`	`now youre saying the drives have exactly the same amount of space?`
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`13:21.00`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: he said exact same drives .. except serial`
`13:21.20`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: EXCELLENT job btw. you figured it out yourself`
`13:21.53`	`biatche`	`Let's say though, sda = 40GB and sdb = 20GB <-- what happens here if i execute that.`
`13:22.10`	`abrotman`	`it runs out of room`
`13:22.15`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: weird, apt-file search mozilla-firefox/plugins gives me a result on mozilla-mplayer, but dpkg -L mozilla-mplayer does not confirm this`
`13:22.16`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: that could be a problem :)`
`13:22.16`	`abrotman`	`aka .. bad stuff`
`13:22.25`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: apt-file update`
`13:22.34`	`Quibus`	`abrotman, already did that`
`13:23.05`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: when i did it .. mozilla-mplayer went away`
`13:23.05`	`geo-rge`	`Quibus: maybe because that dir is created by the packaging`
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`13:23.13`	`biatche`	`Anyway, it doesn't answer me if that copies acls and extended attributes.. does it?`
`13:23.18`	`geo-rge`	`rather than being in the tarball`
`13:23.18`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: /j #flood`
`13:23.58`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: it copies partitions and the partition table`
`13:23.58`	`Quibus`	`Doing it again (update)`
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`13:24.07`	`ShiFTKey`	`im not wearing pants`
`13:24.23`	`abrotman`	`ShiFTKey: you thnik you're special ?`
`13:24.27`	`biatche`	`it's strange to me that: read from FILE instead of stdin ... it says FILE`
`13:24.27`	`asg`	`ShiFTKey: are you larry king?`
`13:24.28`	`ShiFTKey`	`lol`
`13:24.29`	`geo-rge`	`-anything- on that partition gets copied`
`13:24.30`	`biatche`	`not sector.`
`13:25.03`	`geo-rge`	`ShiFTKey: are you one of Howard Stern's bimbos?`
`13:25.16`	`ShiFTKey`	`i wish`
`13:25.18`	`ShiFTKey`	`there hot`
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`13:25.27`	`abrotman`	`they're`
`13:25.28`	`geo-rge`	`where hot?`
`13:25.32`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: libya`
`13:25.41`	`geo-rge`	`there hot!`
`13:26.13`	`ShiFTKey`	`i agree`
`13:26.13`	`ShiFTKey`	`100%`
`13:26.18`	`ShiFTKey`	`oh canada!`
`13:26.23`	`tiagosab`	`biatche: AFAIK, you copy a file (/dev/sda, the entire device). It makes a 1:1 byte copy, so yes, it copies acls and everything else.`
`13:26.25`	`geo-rge`	`that's cold`
`13:26.25`	`ShiFTKey`	`our home and native land...`
`13:26.30`	`abrotman`	`ShiFTKey: do you have a Debian question ?`
`13:26.36`	`ShiFTKey`	`lol not really`
`13:26.38`	`ShiFTKey`	`:(`
`13:26.42`	`abrotman`	`please be quiet`
`13:26.44`	`tiagosab`	`In fact, dd doesn't even know about filesystems. You could copy a ntfs.`
`13:26.50`	`ShiFTKey`	`ok :(`
`13:26.54`	`biatche`	`Thanks everyone.`
`13:27.03`	`biatche`	`I learn something new today.`
`13:27.06`	`tarzeau`	`tiagosab: even a solaris ufs!`
`13:27.06`	`geo-rge`	`ShiFTKey: David Letterman made a production company called Worldwide Pants`
`13:27.12`	`tarzeau`	`tiagosab: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/`
`13:27.17`	`ShiFTKey`	`thats awsome`
`13:27.20`	`ShiFTKey`	`ok`
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`13:29.20`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: yes you did, and a significant part was you teaching yourself`
`13:29.45`	`abrotman`	`which is way better than taking geo-rge's advice`
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`13:30.26`	`geo-rge`	`that WAS my advice :P`
`13:31.09`	`geo-rge`	`other than that, I tend to agree.`
`13:31.26`	`biatche`	`I'll continue doing so, I actually got a time constraint, but i guess this time it was worth it.`
`13:31.43`	`geo-rge`	`which is why I didn't really offer advice in this case`
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`13:32.14`	`geo-rge`	`wait, actually I did, the tar thing`
`13:32.24`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`13:33.09`	`geo-rge`	`that's good for copying individual partitions consisting of files`
`13:33.33`	`biatche`	`One question though, let's say I'm using just 20% of the drive's capacity. Is it going to be faster than copying a 100% filled drive? Or since it's byte for byte, it'll take just as long?`
`13:34.01`	`geo-rge`	`it'll take just as long`
`13:34.01`	`abrotman`	`biatche: dd does end to end ..`
`13:34.07`	`sam_uk`	`so if the package version that i need is not yet in the debian repos, does that mean that i cannot get that package, even if i am prepared to compile it?`
`13:34.10`	`abrotman`	`biatche: dd has no concept of "data"`
`13:34.16`	`biatche`	`for a 80GB drive, that shouldn't take too long nontheless, right?`
`13:34.21`	`abrotman`	`!tell sam_uk about stow`
`13:34.24`	`abrotman`	`!tell sam_uk about checkinstall`
`13:34.51`	`abrotman`	`biatche: at least an hour ... if not more`
`13:34.51`	`geo-rge`	`sam_uk: you can get it as a package if you're prepared to develop the packaging :)`
`13:34.51`	`petemc`	`biatche: it would take hours using default settings, add bs=8M or whatever the drives cache is`
`13:35.42`	`abrotman`	`start over?!`
`13:35.42`	`biatche`	`ah. good tip.`
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`13:36.12`	`sam_uk`	`where do i get the source though? i need gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1,`
`13:37.12`	`geo-rge`	`if you were using 20% of the drive then it might make sense to copy the partitions separately (partitioning the destination drive appropriately, then for each partition, formatting the partitions, mounting first)`
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`13:37.42`	`PcDark`	`does screen close when the socket closes in a PHP script`
`13:37.57`	`PcDark`	`because I close the socket and reopen it, but it seems to only close`
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`13:38.05`	`abrotman`	`screen ?`
`13:38.09`	`PcDark`	`yeah`
`13:38.13`	`PcDark`	`as in screen php bot.php`
`13:38.18`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`13:38.31`	`geo-rge`	`the screen instance should still exist`
`13:38.39`	`PcDark`	`it's strange though`
`13:38.41`	`geo-rge`	`but it will be at the shell prompt`
`13:38.44`	`PcDark`	`are you familiar with PHP`
`13:38.48`	`geo-rge`	`no`
`13:38.51`	`PcDark`	`:/`
`13:38.52`	`geo-rge`	`not at all`
`13:38.56`	`abrotman`	`just ask the damn question`
`13:39.07`	`geo-rge`	`he did`
`13:41.56`	`abrotman`	`not really`
`13:41.56`	`geo-rge`	`I remember him from the other day`
`13:41.56`	`PcDark`	`Yeah, I'm a linux 'noob' :/`
`13:41.56`	`abrotman`	`geo-rge: other day? he's been here for two weeks :)`
`13:41.56`	`tarzeau`	`can i tell cron to work with date -u times?`
`13:41.57`	`geo-rge`	`he was asking about php and file operations, which I didn't know about`
`13:41.57`	`biatche`	`geo-rge: yeah, why though.`
`13:41.57`	`abrotman`	`he could ask ##php`
`13:41.57`	`PcDark`	`only thing is`
`13:41.57`	`PcDark`	`some of them are dumber then I am`
`13:41.57`	`PcDark`	`:/`
`13:41.57`	`biatche`	`Do you mean tar and untar manually?`
`13:41.58`	`geo-rge`	`PcDark: then they might be happy to have you as a helper there`
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`13:41.58`	`PcDark`	`mm`
`13:41.59`	`PcDark`	`what would I put in crontab to make it run ./backup in the / directory every day at 3AM`
`13:41.59`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: it's a glitch in my brain... I don't like cp for copying partitions... I like somethhing like (cd /somewhere ; tar cfpl - .) \| (cd /mnt ; tar xfp -)`
`13:42.19`	`geo-rge`	`the two tars are joined by a common pipe, the tar c feeds the tar x`
`13:42.25`	`cahoot`	`PcDark: the simplest is to put a script in corn.daily`
`13:42.36`	`PcDark`	`Ok :)`
`13:42.39`	`cahoot`	`PcDark: cron.daily`
`13:42.41`	`geo-rge`	`hey! corn daily! what a good idea!`
`13:42.44`	`biatche`	`OK. advanced stuff for me, noting something new.`
`13:42.47`	`PcDark`	`is it BASH?`
`13:42.50`	`cahoot`	`geo-rge: cool`
`13:43.44`	`cahoot`	`PcDark: you probably already have some there to look at and learn from`
`13:44.35`	`x_link`	`Hi`
`13:44.35`	`PcDark`	`looks like bash :)`
`13:44.41`	`x_link`	`My doesn't sudo command work for me?`
`13:44.58`	`x_link`	`sudo apt-get install xmms should work as a normal user right?`
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`13:45.22`	`cahoot`	`not unless you did some configuring`
`13:45.30`	`geo-rge`	`biatche: tar means "Tape ARchive" and by default streamed the files (as a "tar file") to /dev/nst0 which was expected to be a scsi tape drive`
`13:45.52`	`x_link`	`http://pastebin.ca/317289 Looks like that for me`
`13:46.29`	`geo-rge`	`so tar (among other things) takes "lots of files in a dir" and turns them into "a stream of bytes which appears to be and acts like a file"`
`13:47.02`	`biatche`	`Ah. So it came along way then. I've only used tar along with gzip and bzip2. There are actually a lot of things I don't know, and I think these stuff will take me a long time to learn. But with people like you out there.. giving me ideas, I guess I can learn quicker. hehe.`
`13:47.27`	`geo-rge`	`and by an old default, that "a stream of bytes which appears to be and acts like a file" was aimed by default at a tape backup drive`
`13:48.08`	`cahoot`	`x_link see this? sedde is not in the sudoers file - man visudo and man sudoers`
`13:48.12`	`biatche`	`Got it. Never seen tape backups. But I do know they are linear.`
`13:48.55`	`x_link`	`OKey`
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`13:50.31`	`geo-rge`	`I think now the default for gnu tar is to aim the stream at std out`
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`13:50.50`	`geo-rge`	`they should rename it sar or something tho :P`
`13:52.18`	`prumprum`	`anyone that installs debian unattended? i would like to know which software you use for it, since i don't like FAI`
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`13:57.45`	`Buldden`	`hi`
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`14:00.39`	`Buldden`	`i have a question, ¿the amarok build in debian etch/testing official repositories have mysql suport?`
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`14:01.25`	`abrotman`	`check the build rules`
`14:02.00`	`Buldden`	`how?`
`14:02.01`	`TimeX`	`PingFloyd��How can I kill it, I have no idea about the pid`
`14:02.10`	`asg`	`TimeX: fuser or lsof will tell you`
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`14:02.23`	`S2AnGeL`	`anyone have any good tutorials on building a backup mx server`
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`14:02.31`	`TimeX`	`asg: thx`
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`14:04.56`	`marinosi`	`hello....does hibernate works well with etch?`
`14:05.37`	`abrotman`	`Buldden: apt-get source <pkg> .. peek in debian/rules`
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`14:06.53`	`abrotman`	`Buldden: or you can try an ldd on the binary`
`14:07.12`	`abrotman`	`or ask #debian-kde`
`14:08.14`	`Buldden`	`ok, thanks abrotman`
`14:08.53`	`abrotman`	`Buldden: or`
`14:08.55`	`Buldden`	`abrotman: what is ldd?`
`14:08.58`	`abrotman`	`!depends amarod etch`
`14:09.16`	`abrotman`	`!depends amarok etch`
`14:09.17`	`dpkg`	`amarok: depends on amarok-engines \| amarok-engine, ruby, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgl1-mesa-glx \| libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgpod0, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libifp4, libjpeg62, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.24-2), libnjb5, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.15~beta5), libpq4 (>= 8.1.4), libqt3-mt (>= ...`
`14:09.20`	`abrotman`	`help me out ..`
`14:09.22`	`THC4k`	`Hi, i need to install PHP from source on my webserver because i need the imagemagick and zlib extensions, but php is already installed. Should i just compile php or should i remove php first or what? ^^`
`14:09.23`	`abrotman`	`notice the mysql requirement ?`
`14:09.37`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: uhm .. those are in debian`
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`14:10.17`	`Buldden`	`abrotman: thanks`
`14:10.22`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: so see .. you have no need to compile php`
`14:10.31`	`Danielss89`	`hi, i need help reconstructing a backup... ive just uninstalled my debian, and installed everything again, but before i did that, i copied /var/lib/mysql/*... now ive installed mysql again, and ive copied my /potterskolen(which is my database) from mysql to /var/lib/mysql/... then i restart mysql.. and my database is in phpmyadmin, but all my data isnt... what should i do??`
`14:10.38`	`THC4k`	`abrotman : uhm ... i used apt-get to install php5 but the extensions dont exist`
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`14:10.52`	`MarcoPau`	`I get this from mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`14:10.52`	`abrotman`	`Danielss89: ask #mysql .. like i told you yesterday`
`14:11.04`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: apt-cache search php5 image`
`14:11.28`	`marinosi`	`anyone knows about hibernate?`
`14:12.04`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: and zlib is built in`
`14:12.32`	`abrotman`	`marinosi: i think some hae it working ..`
`14:12.44`	`abrotman`	`likely depends on the model`
`14:13.04`	`Pijanistaaa`	`people?`
`14:13.13`	`Pijanistaaa`	`can anyone here tell me`
`14:13.15`	`THC4k`	`abrotman : hmmm but zlib wont work^^`
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`14:13.23`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: it's compiled in`
`14:13.34`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: how did you install php ?`
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`14:13.46`	`THC4k`	`apt-get install php5 ^^`
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`14:14.42`	`marinosi`	`abrotman, i have an dell xps m1210 but it seems it stucks at nvidia..it says "failed to unload nvidia module"`
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`14:15.22`	`abrotman`	`binary nvidia driver s?`
`14:15.35`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: okay .. should still work .. do you have an error ?`
`14:16.32`	`THC4k`	`hmmm wait ... i think the problem comes from the things i did half a year ago^^ i compiled php from source back then`
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`14:18.28`	`THC4k`	`how can i find out what version of php apt-get installed ?`
`14:19.13`	`cat`	`?`
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`14:19.37`	`asg`	`THC4k: apt-cache policy <pkg>`
`14:19.54`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: then you need to clean up your system`
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`14:20.11`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: try a phpinfo() page .. see what it's using (or show us if you can't figure it out)`
`14:20.28`	`THC4k`	`ah great thanks. ok the actual problem is that php does still load the old php version`
`14:20.53`	`THC4k`	`abrotman : yeah thats what i just did^^`
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`14:22.40`	`marinosi`	`abrotman, is there problems for unloading binary only modules?`
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`14:24.01`	`abrotman`	`marinosi: not that i know of .. perhaps ask #nvidia`
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`14:25.51`	`Danielss89`	`why doesnt "which php" return anything?`
`14:26.32`	`geo-rge`	`Danielss89: read "man which" and then repose your question`
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`14:27.11`	`abrotman`	`Danielss89: if you have only the apache module installed .. it won't`
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`14:28.27`	`Mostana`	`why i receive Error's while compiling anything using Make command?`
`14:28.49`	`Danielss89`	`php is also install abrotman`
`14:29.11`	`geo-rge`	`Mostana: you tell us... why?`
`14:29.15`	`eucalre`	`Hello`
`14:29.17`	`BankHead`	`Hello`
`14:29.20`	`Joenin`	`hey`
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`14:29.41`	`Mostana`	`geo-rge : that's why i am asking if any solution for it :\|`
`14:29.48`	`abrotman`	`errors are helpful`
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`14:30.34`	`geo-rge`	`Mostana: show one line which is the first line containing the word error`
`14:30.40`	`Joenin`	`out of interest`
`14:30.43`	`eucalre`	`I'll find out`
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`14:30.58`	`Danielss89`	`abrotman theres something in the daemon log with: send to ... bad file descriptor`
`14:31.02`	`geo-rge`	`bots?`
`14:31.08`	`abrotman`	`Danielss89: huh ?`
`14:31.37`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c: In function 'cofile':`
`14:31.46`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c:81: error: label at end of compound statement`
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`14:32.08`	`abrotman`	`that's a problem in the code`
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`14:33.09`	`Mostana`	`which code? and how to overcome this prob?`
`14:33.21`	`abrotman`	`ask the people that wrote the program you're trying to compile`
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`14:35.13`	`geo-rge`	`maybe the program you're trying to compile doesn't like gcc?`
`14:35.34`	`Mostana`	`yeah that could be probe..`
`14:35.47`	`abrotman`	`which veresino of debian ?`
`14:35.53`	`Mostana`	`but i upgraded the system still the same`
`14:36.06`	`geo-rge`	`what program is this?`
`14:36.16`	`Mostana`	`how to check ?`
`14:36.28`	`abrotman`	`Mostana: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 .. show us`
`14:36.52`	`Mostana`	`judys:~/psybnc# dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`14:36.53`	`Mostana`	`ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries`
`14:37.06`	`abrotman`	`Mostana: now . what program are you trying to compile ?`
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`14:37.46`	`Mostana`	`i am just checking if it compiles a bouncer (psyBNC)`
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`14:39.01`	`azeem`	`Mostana: try with gcc-4.0 or gcc-3.x`
`14:39.59`	`Mostana`	`E: Couldn't find package gcc-3.x`
`14:40.04`	`azeem`	`x is a placeholder here`
`14:41.00`	`Mostana`	`E: Package gcc-4.0 has no installation candidate`
`14:41.13`	`azeem`	`get it from elsewhere`
`14:41.18`	`azeem`	`like unstable or snapshot`
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`14:41.25`	`abrotman`	`or askthe people who wrote it`
`14:41.26`	`azeem`	`Mostana: or fix the code to compile on gcc-4.1`
`14:41.31`	`abrotman`	`or read the INSTALL file`
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`14:43.58`	`geo-rge`	`gonna read a fable about a label, put it on the table and not get hit by a grey bull`
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`14:46.05`	`xDCDx`	`hello`
`14:46.26`	`lunaphyte_`	`if analog is configured to only analyze the most recent log file, with no cache files, why would it have data going back 6 months (logs are rotated weekly)?`
`14:46.42`	`Mostana`	`yeah but wot are the requirements to compile it?..`
`14:46.59`	`azeem`	`Mostana: hrm?`
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`14:48.05`	`xDCDx`	`what is the best way of creating a 'shortcut' for "gnome-terminal --geometry=76x25+0+0" that can be both called by the gnome launcher and from a terminal? I thought creating an alias in .bashrc but that can't be called from the launcher`
`14:48.16`	`Mostana`	`i have faced the same problems in other systems as well!`
`14:48.24`	`asg`	`xDCDx: create a shell script`
`14:48.31`	`azeem`	`Mostana: so maybe psybnc is broken`
`14:48.42`	`Mostana`	`hmmm..`
`14:49.01`	`agent`	`xDCDx: shell script as asg said: just create an empty file and add: #!bin/bash to top with the same line you have in .bashrc below it`
`14:49.02`	`xDCDx`	`asg, that's what i thought`
`14:49.02`	`Danielss89`	`doesnt cp /danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/www/potterskolen /var/www/`
`14:49.16`	`xDCDx`	`thanks`
`14:49.26`	`Danielss89`	`doesnt cp /danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/www/potterskolen /var/www/ copy the subfolders and files ind the subfolders?`
`14:49.27`	`Danielss89`	`cp -r *`
`14:49.28`	`agent`	`xDCDx: then just make it executable :)`
`14:49.46`	`Mostana`	`but i check it with other things as well but still da same!`
`14:49.54`	`azeem`	`Mostana: what other things?`
`14:49.59`	`azeem`	`you are pretty unspecific`
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`14:50.17`	`Mostana`	`EggDROP or anything else.. which is to be compiled with MAKE command`
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`14:50.54`	`azeem`	`Mostana: if "anything else" really doesn't compile, it probably is your fault`
`14:51.04`	`azeem`	`Mostana: otherwise, post error messages`
`14:51.34`	`Mostana`	`judys:~/psybnc# make`
`14:51.34`	`Mostana`	`Initializing bouncer compilation`
`14:51.34`	`Mostana`	`[*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data.`
`14:51.34`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c: In function 'cofile':`
`14:51.34`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c:81: error: label at end of compound statement`
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`14:51.45`	`Mostana`	`:\|`
`14:51.45`	`tarzeau`	`has someone got a command line tool for dict.leo.org ?`
`14:51.53`	`Danielss89`	`doesnt cp -r /danielss89.bak-2007-01-13/var/www/potterskolen /var/www/ ...copy the subfolders and files ind the subfolders?`
`14:52.06`	`Mostana`	`judys:~/psybnc# make`
`14:52.06`	`Mostana`	`Initializing bouncer compilation`
`14:52.06`	`Mostana`	`[*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data.`
`14:52.13`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c: In function 'cofile':`
`14:52.13`	`Mostana`	`tools/convconf.c:81: error: label at end of compound statement`
`14:52.13`	`Mostana`	`make: *** [all] Error 1`
`14:52.28`	`streuner`	`Mostana: you are OT here`
`14:52.28`	`azeem`	`Mostana: you told us that already. It's a bug in the code.`
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`14:52.42`	`streuner`	`and psyBNC isn't in debian`
`14:52.42`	`TolstoyInlove`	`did any one have Debian logo in high resolution?`
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`14:53.21`	`Mostana`	`streuner : well , what else is not in Debian?`
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`14:53.32`	`asg`	`TolstoyInlove: http://www.debian.org/logos/`
`14:54.00`	`streuner`	`Mostana: (almost) everything which useful, but not that crap!`
`14:54.24`	`streuner`	`Mostana: (is in Debian)`
`14:54.24`	`THC4k`	`abrotman: thanks alot for your help earlier, everything is working now after i cleaned up the mess i created ^^`
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`14:54.48`	`Knight_Lord`	`How can i print the first 2 fields of a file?`
`14:54.53`	`daning`	`/q`
`14:54.56`	`asg`	`Knight_Lord: man cut`
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`14:55.05`	`TolstoyInlove`	`asg, thanks`
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`14:59.11`	`levander`	`I've got a port that wasn't released by a process that died. Some can tell me how to release it?`
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`14:59.57`	`asg`	`levander: fuser -v <port>/<protocol> (see if there is still a process keeping it open)`
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`15:00.17`	`asg`	`levander: be sure to run that with rootly privs`
`15:01.01`	`levander`	`asg: yeah, thanks, the process just isn't named what I thought it would be, thanks`
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`15:01.20`	`asg`	`levander: you're welcome`
`15:02.07`	`Mostana`	`;\|`
`15:02.28`	`abrotman`	`THC4k: yay!`
`15:02.43`	`Danielss89`	`abrotman how do i chmod a directory, all files, and all subfolders? chmod 666 var/www/potterskolen/*`
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`15:02.51`	`abrotman`	`man chmod`
`15:02.54`	`levander`	`Danielss89: -R option`
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`15:04.19`	`Danielss89`	`okey, and how do i set my server time to CET`
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`15:05.08`	`levander`	`Danielss89: "man time" or "man date", I'm not sure which`
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`15:05.54`	`levander`	`Danielss89: realize there's a hardware clock in your BIOS and a clock kept up with by the software you're running, they're two separate clocks, hwclock can be used to set the hardware clock`
`15:06.48`	`junix\|work`	`i think i have an acpi issue, how do i turn it off on boot?`
`15:06.49`	`TolstoyInlove`	`asg, logo in this link very small, i wang logo in high resolution`
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`15:07.23`	`Unexist0`	`Uhmm, what is the way to lock all options via sysctl?`
`15:07.25`	`Unexist0`	`sysctl -w kernel.grsecurity.grsec_lock=1`
`15:07.28`	`Unexist0`	`does not work, since I can change the value later`
`15:07.34`	`Unexist0`	`any idea?`
`15:07.39`	`abrotman`	`TolstoyInlove: they have GIMP files there .. you could change those`
`15:08.06`	`abrotman`	`we should find a person good with graphics to make an SVG version`
`15:09.22`	`TolstoyInlove`	`abrotman, thanks`
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`15:12.09`	`nse`	`is epiphany a good choice to a change of web browsers? i am moving from firefox and looking for something that is more lightweight, and faster`
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`15:12.28`	`Jozan`	`karsten: chroot worked well :)`
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`15:13.51`	`jelly-home`	`heh, to think that not so long ago Firefox was considered the light-weight alternative (to Mozilla)`
`15:14.09`	`abrotman`	`nse: works pretty well .. they have nifty plugins`
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`15:16.02`	`junix\|work`	`when is 2.6.19 going into unstable?`
`15:16.25`	`abrotman`	`when it gets there`
`15:16.31`	`junix\|work`	`ok`
`15:16.43`	`asg`	`junix\|work: keep an eye on incoming.debian.org. When it arrives there, it will be in unstable a little thereafter`
`15:16.52`	`junix\|work`	`k`
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`15:18.08`	`FromTO`	`join #latex`
`15:18.15`	`abrotman`	`no`
`15:18.24`	`jelly-home`	`screen watch 'lynx -dump http://incoming.debian.org/ \|grep 2.6.19' ?`
`15:18.34`	`h3sp4wn`	`junix\|work: possibly never (2.6.20 is at rc5 now)`
`15:18.34`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: you're a dirty man`
`15:18.42`	`junix\|work`	`ok`
`15:18.45`	`jelly-home`	`still not there!`
`15:19.02`	`Unexist0`	`~# sysctl -w kernel.grsecurity.grsec_lock=1 && sysctl -w kernel.grsecurity.grsec_lock=0`
`15:19.11`	`Unexist0`	`why grsec lock does not work?`
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`15:19.22`	`asg`	`Unexist0: ask the grsec mailing list`
`15:19.29`	`Unexist0`	`okey`
`15:19.32`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: do you even have /proc/sys/grsecurity/grsec_lock ?`
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`15:19.43`	`x_link_`	`I just have a question but it's not about Debian, I just go disconnected and my x_link nick is still in use, can I kill the nick ?`
`15:19.52`	`x_link_`	`Or I just have to wait til it will drop itself?`
`15:20.00`	`Unexist0`	`jelly-home: cat: /proc/sys/grsecurity/grsec_lock: No such file or directory`
`15:20.01`	`asg`	`x_link_: /msg nickserv help`
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`15:20.09`	`asg`	`x_link_: read up on GHOST`
`15:20.17`	`Unexist0`	`jelly-home: I have not this file`
`15:20.22`	`x_link_`	`asg: OKey, thanks mate!`
`15:20.23`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: how'dya expect it to work then`
`15:20.26`	`asg`	`x_link_: no worries`
`15:20.29`	`x_link_`	`=)`
`15:20.38`	`Unexist0`	`jelly-home: How to fix it?`
`15:20.53`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: sorry, /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/grsec_lock probably`
`15:21.11`	`Unexist0`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:21.12`	`Unexist0`	`1`
`15:21.17`	`Unexist0`	`yes, it is enable :(`
`15:21.51`	`Unexist0`	`and I can change ANY sysclt grsec value`
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`15:22.07`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: sounds like something for grsec forums (or list)!`
`15:22.18`	`x_link_`	`asg: The command doesn't work or maybe it's me that doesn't understand it right.`
`15:22.40`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: I don't use that particular feature of Grsecurity, sorry`
`15:23.07`	`Unexist0`	`jelly-home: yes, but in theory it is unchangeable!`
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`15:23.35`	`jelly-home`	`Unexist0: in theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.`
`15:23.59`	`Unexist0`	`:(`
`15:24.10`	`x_link_`	`ahh my nick jumped out now=)`
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`15:24.56`	`jelly-home`	`cydork: please don't shoot myself more.`
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`15:26.14`	`cydork`	`jelly-home: i will try not to type anything in irc just after i wake up! :)`
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`15:27.26`	`ma3x`	`my laptop keeps freezing. what's wrong? could it be because skype is running?`
`15:27.28`	`nse`	`would it be very hard to move my bookmarks from firefox to epiphany?`
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`15:27.31`	`ma3x`	`or because xmms is playing?`
`15:28.13`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: that's a big vague`
`15:28.32`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: thanks for the useful info`
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`15:28.50`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: you didn't give us any ...`
`15:28.52`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: it just freezes`
`15:29.02`	`[47]`	`hi, where can i set apache2 not to use php in specific directory?`
`15:29.04`	`Danielss89`	`levander i just set my clock to the right date so that the date command shows the rigth date and time... but my php doesnt print the right time, which clock does php use??`
`15:29.09`	`abrotman`	`It just freezes when I _______________________ .. fill in the blank`
`15:29.18`	`valdyn`	`nse: try?`
`15:29.21`	`abrotman`	`[47]: ask #php`
`15:29.37`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: nothing, I just normally run stuff like xmms, skype, kmail, gaim and do nothing else`
`15:29.43`	`abrotman`	`can you ssh in remotely ?`
`15:29.51`	`ma3x`	`ssh remotely?`
`15:29.54`	`ma3x`	`it's my box`
`15:29.58`	`ma3x`	`you mean ssh from another box?`
`15:29.59`	`abrotman`	`IN TO THE BOX`
`15:30.01`	`ma3x`	`I don't have any other`
`15:30.03`	`Danielss89`	`abrotman just if your curius and some other dumm guy come and ask about mysql some day the rights were wrong on my folder.. i had to chown -R mysql foldername`
`15:30.07`	`Danielss89`	`then it worked..`
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`15:30.20`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: I can ssh, but I Have nowhere to ssh from`
`15:30.22`	`abrotman`	`Danielss89: doh! .. did #mysql help you ?`
`15:30.28`	`Danielss89`	`yeah:D`
`15:30.47`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: try to eliminate apps .. does it always happen? .. any flash stuff going ?`
`15:30.52`	`abrotman`	`Danielss89: i knew they were useful for something`
`15:30.57`	`Danielss89`	`hehe`
`15:31.00`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: flash, as macromedia??`
`15:31.03`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`15:31.10`	`Buldden`	`bye`
`15:31.13`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: it happens randomly, sometimes after 3 days, sometimes after 10 days`
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`15:31.22`	`abrotman`	`going ot make it hard to debug`
`15:31.26`	`Drgb`	`Danielss89, how can rights be wrong?`
`15:31.29`	`Drgb`	`it's a paradox`
`15:31.33`	`nse`	`valdyn: i didn't. i don't even know how to start it doing this..`
`15:31.54`	`valdyn`	`nse: well, just start epiphany and do it..`
`15:31.55`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: I was listening music now, and it froze and 1 second of the music looped back and forth`
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`15:31.59`	`Danielss89`	`Drgb dont know:D`
`15:32.01`	`valdyn`	`nse: cant get much easier`
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`15:32.24`	`mo1991`	`msg dpkg 3.1r4`
`15:32.25`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: so stop using one of the apps .. see if it stops`
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`15:32.46`	`ma3x`	`abrotman: hell, I'd have to wait 10 days to see if it freezes again`
`15:33.20`	`abrotman`	`!info bookmarkbridge etch`
`15:33.22`	`dpkg`	`bookmarkbridge: (tool to synchronize bookmarks between browsers), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.76-2 (etch), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 664 kB`
`15:33.29`	`nse`	`valdyn: yeah, it did. i think i need a coffee`
`15:33.32`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: well .. your other option is ?`
`15:33.55`	`ma3x`	`nothing`
`15:33.56`	`ma3x`	`thanks`
`15:34.18`	`PingFloyd`	`ma3x: is it freezing when it goes into a power save mode?`
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`15:34.33`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: try using another media player for example`
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`15:36.17`	`delire`	`bipolar: how are you today?`
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`15:36.29`	`bipolar`	`delire: ok`
`15:36.31`	`PcDark`	`How do I store my IWconfig settings`
`15:36.34`	`PcDark`	`and on reboot`
`15:36.35`	`delire`	`bipolar: haha`
`15:36.36`	`PcDark`	`it auto-connects`
`15:36.53`	`valdyn`	`PcDark: man interfaces`
`15:36.58`	`h3sp4wn`	`PcDark: man wireless or /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz`
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`15:37.42`	`PcDark`	`so uh`
`15:37.54`	`PcDark`	`auto lo eth1`
`15:38.03`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: you put them in /etc/network/interfaces`
`15:38.21`	`PcDark`	`what do you mean`
`15:38.47`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: can't use another media player ?`
`15:39.03`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: first you put the ip parameters`
`15:39.19`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp`
`15:39.33`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: and then the wifi parameters like`
`15:39.38`	`PcDark`	`so what exactly would I put :/`
`15:39.44`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: wireless_essid mynetwork`
`15:39.50`	`PcDark`	`ok`
`15:39.50`	`PcDark`	`so`
`15:39.51`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: wireless_mode managed`
`15:40.00`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: wireless_key 67:F4:3A:C3:DD:32`
`15:40.09`	`PcDark`	`so`
`15:40.19`	`PcDark`	`auto eth1 iface1 eth1 inet dhcp`
`15:40.23`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: or wireless_key "s:myword" if the key is a word`
`15:40.24`	`PcDark`	`wireless_esside linksys`
`15:40.30`	`PcDark`	`wireless_mode managed`
`15:40.32`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: right`
`15:40.35`	`PcDark`	`wireless_key 8FCD443787`
`15:40.45`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: wireless_channel 7`
`15:40.49`	`PcDark`	`ok`
`15:40.54`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: dont forget the channel`
`15:40.55`	`PcDark`	`and then when I reboot the server`
`15:40.58`	`h3sp4wn`	`PcDark: You should use wpa`
`15:41.00`	`PcDark`	`it'll do it`
`15:41.04`	`PcDark`	`I know`
`15:41.05`	`PcDark`	`but`
`15:41.10`	`PcDark`	`My dad will get mad :P`
`15:41.18`	`PcDark`	`ill have to redo all the computers on the network`
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`15:41.31`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: it s supposed to work on reboot , but doesnt work on mine`
`15:41.35`	`LinuxMafia`	`all : i dont know if it is the right place to say , but please if any body can do anything about this plz do so -->http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217424.stm`
`15:41.56`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: although the reason is i dont want him to work automatically`
`15:41.59`	`abrotman`	`you're spamming us with BBC crap ?`
`15:42.25`	`h3sp4wn`	`PcDark: if it doesn't work on reboot pre-up sleep 3 or something may help`
`15:42.28`	`valdyn`	`LinuxMafia: she's already dead`
`15:42.58`	`LinuxMafia`	`valdyn, yes , i know but who killed her , is still alive`
`15:43.06`	`abrotman`	`LinuxMafia: GO AWAY`
`15:43.07`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark: should work on reboot`
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`15:43.28`	`valdyn`	`LinuxMafia: /j #assassins_for_hire`
`15:43.42`	`LinuxMafia`	`no wonder debian users`
`15:43.54`	`Ronin`	`tell her to not to screw around next time LinuxMafia`
`15:43.57`	`PcDark`	`ok`
`15:43.58`	`PcDark`	`well`
`15:44.01`	`abrotman`	`stop feeding the troll`
`15:44.04`	`PcDark`	`I'm going back home to that server soon anyways`
`15:44.18`	`delire`	`LinuxMafia: nice sentiment, but she's already dead, someone is being murdered near you right now, and this is #debian.`
`15:44.30`	`abrotman`	`or continue ..`
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`15:44.44`	`delire`	`abrotman: fair enough.`
`15:45.02`	`LinuxMafia`	`i should not come to this room`
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`15:45.08`	`LinuxMafia`	`bye`
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`15:45.16`	`abrotman`	`fucking gentoo trolls`
`15:45.19`	`karmatronic`	`LinuxMafia: bye bye`
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`15:46.02`	`delire`	`weird chap. what he hoped to gain from that i don't know.`
`15:46.04`	`jelly-home`	`I wonder what's wrong with that guy.`
`15:46.17`	`abrotman`	`he was trolling .. duh`
`15:46.19`	`PingFloyd`	`dude's got issues`
`15:46.38`	`karmatronic`	`just another brick on the wall`
`15:47.03`	`delire`	`karmatronic: yeah, it's not like we need no education.`
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`15:47.05`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: is it typical to use some random politically provocative issue to troll on a technical channel?`
`15:47.12`	`karmatronic`	`delire: :)`
`15:47.18`	`Ronin`	`jelly-home: be surprised what they try some days`
`15:47.18`	`delire`	`;)`
`15:47.24`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: if they're gentoo users trolling #debian .. yes`
`15:47.35`	`jelly-home`	`well, whatever`
`15:47.53`	`PingFloyd`	`dumb fanboy sheep mentality`
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`15:48.02`	`medc`	`the msfont does not appear in my apt-get list`
`15:48.12`	`medc`	`anyone has the repo to download it?`
`15:48.21`	`PcDark`	`Lol`
`15:48.27`	`PcDark`	`It didn't connect to the network and shell is down`
`15:48.27`	`asg`	`medc: msttcorefonts is the package name`
`15:48.35`	`PcDark`	`So Im stuck without access to it for awhile :p`
`15:48.46`	`asg`	`medc: if you still don't see it, make sure you have contrib in your sources`
`15:49.32`	`PingFloyd`	`medc: probably because the package has a different name than that`
`15:49.53`	`medc`	`PingFloyd, asg i am downloading.....thnks 4 da help`
`15:50.00`	`asg`	`medc: you're welcome`
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`15:53.12`	`The_Plumber`	`tried to install the REALTIME LSM but having problems getting the kernel headers installed. it just wont install the deb package that I get from "security.debian.org".... Any ideas? using sarge 2.6.8`
`15:54.18`	`karmatronic`	`The_Plumber: use a recent kernel source`
`15:54.35`	`vlt`	`Hello. Which mount option do I need to import an ISO-8859-1 NFS export from a Debian Sarge server into UTF-8 file system?`
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`15:55.42`	`The_Plumber`	`karmatronic: use a new kernel and -also- use the realtime LSM, or just use a newer kernel?`
`15:56.00`	`karmatronic`	`The_Plumber: new kernel + realtime LSM`
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`15:56.09`	`karmatronic`	`The_Plumber: and enjoy jackd`
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`15:57.29`	`The_Plumber`	`karmatronic: im doing this because I want to create a variable PWM from my serial port. I want a perfect 60hz at a 25% duty cycle. i can only get a sporatic 62.5hz. is the realtime LSM what I should be looking for or is there something else that i can use to precicely control RTS and DTR?`
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`15:59.02`	`karmatronic`	`The_Plumber: honestly i dont know, i only realtime for music recording`
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`15:59.28`	`The_Plumber`	`karmatronic: see, thats what im seeing other people using it for...... anyone else know?!`
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`16:05.29`	`knoxy`	`Hi all! on load of kernel (on first install), the ethernet card isn't detected.. how can I do to my network card will be detected?`
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`16:06.52`	`abrotman`	`knoxy: which network card ?`
`16:06.59`	`abrotman`	`and which kernel`
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`16:09.38`	`hid3`	`Evening everyone. Is there any program/utility to uncompress *.rar files?`
`16:09.49`	`karmatronic`	`hid3: unrar-nonfree`
`16:09.50`	`Ronin`	`hid3: unrar`
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`16:09.52`	`anapivirtua`	`Hi all`
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`16:10.05`	`hid3`	`thanks!`
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`16:10.58`	`Mikelo`	`apt conflict here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1687/`
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`16:11.27`	`karmatronic`	`hid3: you ll need this source deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free`
`16:11.38`	`abrotman`	`mikefoo: ask #ubuntu .. not us`
`16:11.48`	`Ronin`	`Mikelo: are you running ubuntu by any chance?`
`16:11.50`	`Ronin`	`chance`
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`16:12.00`	`hid3`	`karmatronic: i think I have some non-free source already added. Thanks btw.`
`16:12.12`	`Mikelo`	`yes :-(`
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`16:12.24`	`Ronin`	`maybe you should ask in the proper channel then?`
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`16:15.46`	`nceterval`	`Hello, after a recent dist-upgrade on Sid, several multimedia applications have begun segfaulting upon launch (mplayer, amarok, vlc). I expect that some shared library has been in some way corrupted. How can I further diagnose and fix this issue?`
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`16:18.00`	`Danielss89`	`how do i seach for the file my.cnf on the whole machine, i want to search all folders and subfolders`
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`16:18.12`	`Ny-Ty`	`my.cnf ?`
`16:18.16`	`Ny-Ty`	`this is php file`
`16:18.17`	`Danielss89`	`yeah..`
`16:18.18`	`asg`	`Danielss89: find / -type f -name 'my.cnf'`
`16:18.21`	`Ny-Ty`	`find`
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`16:18.40`	`Ny-Ty`	`nceterval: hmm`
`16:18.42`	`PDani`	`hm`
`16:18.43`	`Danielss89`	`Ny-Ty okey :D`
`16:18.45`	`Ny-Ty`	`what distro do you have`
`16:18.52`	`Danielss89`	`its doesnt return anyting asg`
`16:18.58`	`nceterval`	`Ny-Ty, Deb Sid`
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`16:19.00`	`Ny-Ty`	`hmm`
`16:19.05`	`Ny-Ty`	`ehm sorry`
`16:19.10`	`Ny-Ty`	`you just write it :-)`
`16:19.19`	`asg`	`Danielss89: iirc, my.cnf is a custom user file created to set per user defaults for mysql`
`16:19.22`	`Ny-Ty`	`and what architecture`
`16:19.26`	`Danielss89`	`gotta go eat, bbl ~20min`
`16:19.28`	`asg`	`Danielss89: there generally won't be one if you didn't create one`
`16:19.35`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: welcome to unstable`
`16:19.37`	`Danielss89`	`ahh okey asg thanks`
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`16:19.40`	`TheInfinity`	`hmm ... lvps87-230-7-248.dedicated.hosteurope.de (p508F1303.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[80.143.19.3]) - ProFTPD terminating (signal 11) <-- sounds bad, hmm? can somebody help me getting proftpd back to work? :)`
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`16:19.44`	`Ny-Ty`	`sid is testing`
`16:19.51`	`asg`	`Ny-Ty: no, it isn't`
`16:19.53`	`nceterval`	`Ny-Ty, Sid is unstable`
`16:19.54`	`Ronin`	`Ny-Ty: sid is unstable`
`16:19.56`	`Ny-Ty`	`?`
`16:20.00`	`Ny-Ty`	`ah :-)`
`16:20.01`	`Ronin`	`Ny-Ty: etch is testing`
`16:20.03`	`Ny-Ty`	`etch is stable`
`16:20.05`	`Ny-Ty`	`shit`
`16:20.08`	`Ny-Ty`	`what is stable`
`16:20.08`	`Ny-Ty`	`:D`
`16:20.09`	`Ronin`	`sarge is stable`
`16:20.09`	`nceterval`	`Hah`
`16:20.15`	`Ny-Ty`	`yes :D`
`16:20.26`	`Ny-Ty`	`and what architecture do you have nceterval`
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`16:20.31`	`Ny-Ty`	`i must remember it`
`16:20.31`	`nceterval`	`x86`
`16:20.35`	`Ny-Ty`	`hmm`
`16:20.57`	`Ny-Ty`	`and crash without reason`
`16:21.02`	`nceterval`	`Segafults`
`16:21.03`	`Ny-Ty`	`or without write to log ?`
`16:21.16`	`Ny-Ty`	`look to logs`
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`16:21.21`	`nceterval`	`What log should I check?`
`16:21.28`	`Ny-Ty`	`i have unstable too`
`16:21.31`	`Ny-Ty`	i`ll look
`16:21.35`	`Ny-Ty`	`hmm`
`16:21.41`	`Ronin`	`are you sure you do Ny-Ty? ;)`
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`16:22.03`	`abrotman`	`!segfault`
`16:22.03`	`Ny-Ty`	`Ronin: no :-)`
`16:22.03`	`dpkg`	`from memory, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own`
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`16:22.10`	`nceterval`	`Ny-Ty, There is no log that I can see in ~.kde/share/apps/amarok/, for instance`
`16:22.22`	`Ny-Ty`	`there is not logs`
`16:22.23`	`abrotman`	`try to strace it or ltrace`
`16:22.27`	`abrotman`	`Ny-Ty: you're not helping`
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`16:22.40`	`Ny-Ty`	`abrotman: just i last time have same problem`
`16:22.50`	`Ny-Ty`	`but it was problem with /dev/dsp`
`16:22.56`	`Ny-Ty`	`but segfault it write too`
`16:22.58`	`abrotman`	`so just tell him that`
`16:23.13`	`vlt`	`Hello. Which mount option do I need to import an ISO-8859-1 NFS export from a Debian Sarge server into UTF-8 file system?`
`16:23.13`	`abrotman`	`"I had a problem like that a while ago .. something related to /dev/dsp"`
`16:23.21`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, I did "strace mplayer", should I pastebin the output?`
`16:23.27`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`16:23.27`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`16:24.01`	`anapivirtua`	`Godd bye :)`
`16:24.35`	`Ny-Ty`	`btw small poll`
`16:24.43`	`Ny-Ty`	`who have ATI graphic card ?:-)`
`16:24.44`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, Wow, there was a lot of output - more than fits in konsole's history. Should I just do the last so-many lines?`
`16:25.06`	`abrotman`	`good enough for now`
`16:25.10`	`TheInfinity`	`<-- has ATI - but has a proftpd problem ;)`
`16:25.24`	`Ny-Ty`	`:-)`
`16:25.35`	`Ny-Ty`	`and works fine`
`16:25.49`	`Ny-Ty`	`?`
`16:25.55`	`TheInfinity`	`server only - of course this works fine ;)`
`16:26.01`	`Ny-Ty`	`:-)))))`
`16:26.19`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5097`
`16:26.21`	`TheInfinity`	`on desktop I use kubuntu with ATI - works finde, too`
`16:26.34`	`TheInfinity`	`*fine`
`16:27.23`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: that's really weird`
`16:27.28`	`nceterval`	`It is?`
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`16:28.03`	`Ny-Ty`	`what ati`
`16:28.07`	`Ny-Ty`	`opengl works fine ?`
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`16:28.16`	`Ny-Ty`	`i want to use compiz or beryl`
`16:28.26`	`Ny-Ty`	`but i have problem with composite extension on card`
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`16:28.38`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, Ooh, I just noticed that the latest mplayer upgrade was held back by synaptic because libconfhelper-perl would have to be removed. I'm not sure if this would be causing vlc and amarok to segfault. Should I remove that package and upgrade mplayer?`
`16:28.40`	`steven_`	`Our company (soho) is planning to incorporate a hardware firewall which has to support load balancing over at least 2 wan interfaces. Does anyone know of some good manufacturers or products? Cause I don't really know where to start looking.`
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`16:28.52`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: try a distupgrade ?`
`16:29.23`	`steven_`	`wrong channel... pretty off topic, sorry :/ but if you have an idea, let me know :)`
`16:29.43`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, That keeps mplayer back`
`16:29.46`	`Taza`	`Can anyone link me into a good guide about how to get from stable to unstable? I'm not quite comfortable with it yet...`
`16:30.05`	`valdyn`	`dpkg, sarge->sid`
`16:30.05`	`dpkg`	`If you have to ask, you shouldn't.`
`16:30.06`	`Ronin`	`Taza: if your not comfortable unstable isnt for you`
`16:30.06`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: install it!`
`16:30.13`	`valdyn`	`Taza: ^^^`
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`16:30.25`	`Taza`	`I will anyway. :p`
`16:30.26`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, Ok`
`16:30.29`	`Taza`	`It`
`16:30.37`	`TheInfinity`	`-changing sources. -maging dist upgrade. if you have a server or something like this which has to run you should usw stable`
`16:30.43`	`Ronin`	`Taza: so WHEN it breaks you'll be able to fix it on your own?`
`16:30.44`	`Taza`	`It's not my main system, I'm not screwing up anything important.`
`16:31.08`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, Installed it, mplayer still segfaults.`
`16:31.19`	`abrotman`	`anyhting in the BTS ?`
`16:31.20`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, As do VLC and amarok`
`16:31.47`	`Taza`	`Ronin: When it breaks I can just reformat it if I can't fix it. I know unstable is exactly that, and the only way I'm going to learn is by trying.`
`16:31.53`	`BankHead`	`confidential`
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`16:33.10`	`abrotman`	`Taza: maybe you should start with testing ?`
`16:33.18`	`Taza`	`Possibly.`
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`16:34.01`	`Taza`	`So switch sources to testing in sources.list, update, dist-upgrade?`
`16:34.04`	`abrotman`	`Taza: or you'll end up like nceterval and not be able to listen to music or watch movies`
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`16:34.20`	`nceterval`	`Yah!`
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`16:34.23`	`Taza`	`abrotman: I can't watch movies anyway.`
`16:34.27`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: if they're lucky thats all the bad that will happen`
`16:34.42`	`ezguy`	`i create a symlink libXm.so.3 -> libXm.so.4.0.0, do i need to update the ldd cache for it to take affect?`
`16:34.43`	`abrotman`	`Taza: so you'd like to introduce more issues ?`
`16:35.00`	`nceterval`	`Taza, Seriously, though, I've been running Unstable for about four years and have problems as rarely as with other distributions that I run on other machines.`
`16:35.15`	`Taza`	`abrotman: The issue here is the nature of the laptop in question. It's a pentium 166mhz, 32mb ram.`
`16:35.27`	`Ny-Ty`	`how i can enable COMPIZ or BERYL WITHOUT COMPOSITE extension :-)`
`16:35.34`	`abrotman`	`Ny-Ty: STOP FUCKING SCREAMING`
`16:35.43`	`abrotman`	`and you can't afaik`
`16:35.47`	`Ny-Ty`	`abrotman: i like you too :-)`
`16:35.51`	`abrotman`	`have a nice day`
`16:36.04`	`Ny-Ty`	`nyty@PiXla:~$ compiz`
`16:36.04`	`Ny-Ty`	`/usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension`
`16:36.11`	`abrotman`	`you need the extension`
`16:36.19`	`Ny-Ty`	`yes`
`16:36.22`	`Ny-Ty`	`but if i enable it`
`16:36.29`	`Ny-Ty`	`then anythink dont work`
`16:36.33`	`abrotman`	`Ny-Ty: and stop hitting enter`
`16:36.35`	`Ny-Ty`	`anythink GL`
`16:36.42`	`Ny-Ty`	`i love enter :-))`
`16:36.48`	`abrotman`	`plonk`
`16:37.03`	`abrotman`	`Taza: so install etch .. and use it`
`16:37.14`	`TheInfinity`	`proftpd problem solved. theres a bug in the delay engine module of proftpd which is in the debian sources`
`16:37.20`	`Ronin`	`32mb of ram? will etch even work on that?`
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`16:37.32`	`abrotman`	`it hink the requrements are the same as sarge .. 24MB`
`16:37.37`	`abrotman`	`or the installer though`
`16:37.56`	`abrotman`	`for`
`16:37.57`	`vlt`	`Hello. How can I mount an NFS export from a Debian server with locale ISO-8859-1 into an UTF-8 /mnt ?`
`16:39.29`	`abrotman`	`do you even have both locales defined ?`
`16:39.58`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, So, what was so strange about the strace, anyway?`
`16:40.11`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: it died!`
`16:40.22`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: do the other apps die in the same way ?`
`16:40.45`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, strace itself died?`
`16:41.04`	`abrotman`	`strace another dying app .. paste it`
`16:41.14`	`nceterval`	`k`
`16:41.24`	`Taza`	`Baaaah`
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`16:42.04`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, VLC: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5098`
`16:42.15`	`Taza`	`Installer reports "Debootstrap: Couldn't download at.". I think that problem is caused by the laptop overheating.`
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`16:42.23`	`abrotman`	`nceterval: have you done a memtest lately ?`
`16:42.35`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, Not in about a year.`
`16:42.49`	`abrotman`	`might want to`
`16:42.52`	`nceterval`	`:(`
`16:42.56`	`abrotman`	`and possibly do a filesystem check`
`16:43.02`	`abrotman`	`erm .. probably`
`16:43.19`	`nceterval`	`I'm running reiser3, what utility would I use?`
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`16:43.42`	`abrotman`	`uhm .. does reiser3 have fsck ?`
`16:43.45`	`lechef`	`hi`
`16:44.24`	`lechef`	`i have an amd athlon 64 cpu and want to install debian`
`16:44.24`	`nceterval`	`abrotman, not sure... the only reason I ask is because I'm not sure how being journaled might complicate things.`
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`16:44.24`	`lechef`	`which image should i take`
`16:44.24`	`vlt`	abrotman: What does "defined" mean here? `locale` on the client shows me "LANG=de_DE.UTF-8", on the server it's "LANG=de_DE@euro" and that's how files are stored. The is an smbd running on the server, too, translating everything to utf8 for the win/cifs clients. but how to translate it in NFS?
`16:44.37`	`lechef`	`i386 is only for intel right?`
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`16:44.45`	`lechef`	`i am confused`
`16:44.45`	`abrotman`	`vlt: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. see all of those ?`
`16:45.00`	`abrotman`	`lechef: up to you .. not everything works on amd64`
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`16:45.35`	`lechef`	`what do you mean by "not everything works" ?`
`16:45.53`	`xDCDx`	`I have a problem using 'tftpd-hpa'. I installed it, invoke it with 'in.tftpd /directory/' and it seems it is listening; but doing 'ftp localhost' says 'connection refused'. I tried using the -l option but then 'in.tftpd' exits without error message. I also tried using inetd to no avail`
`16:45.55`	`xDCDx`	`any ideas?`
`16:46.27`	`Steven_Laptop`	`hello all ? ftp from a winshit box to my server what would the command look like?`
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`16:46.57`	`abrotman`	`lechef: flash is one thing`
`16:47.09`	`abrotman`	`Steven_Laptop: ftp /?`
`16:47.37`	`cydork`	`lechef: there are some probs with openoffice too..`
`16:47.41`	`vivijim`	`Hi all, in a debootstrap script what are the differences between the "required" and "base" fields ?`
`16:47.47`	`lechef`	`but basically the i386 image should work?`
`16:47.53`	`cydork`	`lechef: yep`
`16:48.06`	`Steven_Laptop`	`abrotman, I have a file on my windows box 90G and want to move it to the sever how would I do this?`
`16:48.14`	`lechef`	`or should i try the inoffical stable amd64 image?`
`16:48.18`	`Ronin`	`90g? damn Steven_Laptop`
`16:48.21`	`abrotman`	`with the ftp command .. we're not here to help you learn how to use windows`
`16:48.26`	`Steven_Laptop`	`:)`
`16:48.36`	`Ronin`	`Steven_Laptop: ftp /? on the windows box will give you the various options`
`16:49.15`	`Steven_Laptop`	`ic this needs to be done from the shit box thanks`
`16:49.36`	`Ronin`	`well your the one who asked about ftp :)`
`16:49.49`	`Steven_Laptop`	`hehe`
`16:50.31`	`jelly-home`	`samba would also work but ftp is going to be faster`
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`16:52.30`	`Steven_Laptop`	`jelly-home, thanks but I will pass on samba we are dumping windows today`
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`16:54.07`	`abrotman`	`he says as he copies data to the windows box`
`16:54.44`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: from the windows box iirc`
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`16:55.11`	`abrotman`	`oh yeah .. see`
`16:55.37`	`Steven_Laptop`	`yaa yaaa yaaa it wont be long and I will return funny folks`
`16:55.39`	`HardDisk_WP`	`gnah...why can't apt packages be smaller?`
`16:55.53`	`jox`	`is it possible to remote manage a debian xen installation with the xenserver administration console that xensource ditributes?`
`16:56.04`	`HardDisk_WP`	`255K connection here. 30K uses my sister. 200K my movie. and 20k apt-get...omg`
`16:56.32`	`pettsson`	`is there any1 who know witch package i have to install to get the unixodbc-driver for mimersql?`
`16:56.39`	`pettsson`	`*which`
`16:56.49`	`abrotman`	`!any1`
`16:56.49`	`dpkg`	`*** any1: No such nick/channel`
`16:57.14`	`HardDisk_WP`	`hmm...`
`16:57.16`	`jelly-home`	`Is there a simple alsa app to monitor microphone (or other input)? I wonder why my mic doesn't work (in a commercial voip app;)`
`16:57.18`	`HardDisk_WP`	`!wikipedia-de`
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`16:57.56`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: do you have OSS stuff going ?`
`16:58.00`	`Fox`	`pettsson: apt-cache search unixodbc`
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`16:59.14`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: I have the wrapper modules loaded but no userspace using them.`
`16:59.28`	`pettsson`	`i have installed it, but the guide i am following wants me to find libmimer.so, and i can only find the settings-file libmimerS.so`
`16:59.44`	`LLcoolM`	`i get an md5sum mismatch for packages.bz2`
`16:59.45`	`Steven_Laptop`	`bbl with my new face lift`
`16:59.54`	`LLcoolM`	`and idea what could cause this?`
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`17:00.01`	`LLcoolM`	`i have switched to another mirror already`
`17:00.07`	`LLcoolM`	`didnt help`
`17:00.13`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: at least that's what lsof says`
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`17:00.21`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`17:01.15`	`jelly-home`	`!seen me`
`17:01.16`	`dpkg`	`me <~me@p54B1CCC2.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 31d 20h 58m 27s ago, saying: '^^'.`
`17:01.26`	`jelly-home`	`woah`
`17:01.34`	`abrotman`	`!seen you`
`17:01.34`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: i haven't seen 'you'`
`17:02.56`	`jelly-home`	`!tag`
`17:02.57`	`dpkg`	`I'm it!`
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`17:03.02`	`vlt`	abrotman: I did `dpkg-reconfigure locales`. One of the lines was "de_DE.UTF-8 ... done". Most of the others were "up-to-date". What now?
`17:03.14`	`vlt`	`.. to mount the iso8859-1 nfs share?`
`17:03.27`	`jelly-home`	`dpkg: dance, puppet, dance!`
`17:03.38`	`abrotman`	`vlt: what's in /etc/locale.gen ?`
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`17:04.50`	`LLcoolM`	`it happens with all mirrors`
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`17:05.26`	`vlt`	`abrotman: I don't have such a file on the client. On the server it's "de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15".`
`17:05.37`	`abrotman`	`what is the client ?`
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`17:05.57`	`FelipeSouza`	`anybody can send me the file config-2.6.8 from /boot with the default options of the kernel, i have the kernel 2.4.X, and I want to compile the kernel 2.6.8. please`
`17:07.12`	`abrotman`	`!kernel config`
`17:07.12`	`dpkg`	`well, kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/`
`17:07.55`	`LLcoolM`	`hm, that seems to be a problem with approx`
`17:08.01`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, do you know a bandwith manager?`
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`17:08.06`	`abrotman`	`trickle`
`17:08.11`	`HardDisk_WP`	`thx`
`17:08.32`	`LLcoolM`	`hm, approx sucks`
`17:08.39`	`vlt`	`abrotman: nfs client is ubuntu and utf-8.`
`17:09.05`	`abrotman`	`and what's the server ?`
`17:09.12`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, hmmm...can i have it working even if a process is running already? hpodder is consuming all my bandwith`
`17:09.24`	`abrotman`	`HardDisk_WP: i don't think so`
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`17:09.34`	`HardDisk_WP`	`:(`
`17:11.04`	`vlt`	`abrotman: nfs server is Debian Sarge with iso8859-15`
`17:11.14`	`abrotman`	`so set the server to use UTF8`
`17:12.02`	`HardDisk_WP`	`btw, do i get any performance boost if i compile every package w/ apt-build instead of just installing a package?`
`17:12.22`	`valdyn`	`!gentoosmite HardDisk_WP`
`17:12.40`	`Ronin`	`i love that one`
`17:12.46`	`valdyn`	`HardDisk_WP: sure, sometimes, sometimes not, hardly worth the effort`
`17:12.59`	`HardDisk_WP`	`ok`
`17:13.13`	`HardDisk_WP`	`thx`
`17:13.35`	`vlt`	`abrotman: How do I "set" the server to utf-8 and what happens to the stored files or rather file names?`
`17:14.48`	`valdyn`	`vlt: why do you care about the locale of the server at all? is the server supposed to write to those shares?`
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`17:16.04`	`vlt`	`valdyn: Yes. Sometimes it stores files there.`
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`17:19.19`	`valdyn`	`vlt: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to pick locale, nothing will happen to files, just filenames will be displayed differently if they contain non-ascii characters`
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`17:23.12`	`vlt`	valdyn: `dpkg-reconfigure locales` (on the server) shows me a multiple choice select for several locales. What doe happen if I choose more that one? Where do i define the default?
`17:23.21`	`abrotman`	`next screen`
`17:23.34`	`vlt`	`does* and than*`
`17:23.41`	`vlt`	`abrotman: Thanks`
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`17:25.14`	`vlt`	`Mmh, what's the difference between "de_DE.UTF8" and "de_DE.UTF8@euro"?`
`17:26.12`	`ama`	`european extensions`
`17:26.13`	`AciD`	`the euro sign ?`
`17:26.33`	`lunaphyte_`	`what web interfaces for iptables are out there (besides that webmin module)?`
`17:26.44`	`vlt`	`AciD: Is there a UTF8 w/o euro sign?`
`17:26.55`	`ama`	`id hope not`
`17:27.00`	`AciD`	`google surely knows better than me`
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`17:27.22`	`Gathond`	`if there is I've lost my respect for unicode`
`17:27.28`	`ama`	`same`
`17:27.48`	`vlt`	`So what to choose here?`
`17:27.55`	`FelipeSouza`	`abrotman, here there are these configs: 2.6.8-2, 2.6.8-11 , I installed the kernel-source-2.6.8, what config i need to install???`
`17:28.10`	`abrotman`	`the most recent`
`17:28.19`	`ama`	`probably euro, i assume you are from germany for a /who`
`17:28.19`	`abrotman`	`utf8`
`17:28.29`	`roxy_`	`where can I check if java 6 is in unstable or experimental ?`
`17:28.32`	`abrotman`	`it's just the default ..`
`17:28.33`	`ama`	`from* even`
`17:28.37`	`abrotman`	`packages.debian.org`
`17:28.46`	`abrotman`	`but i don't thnk java6 has been released yet`
`17:29.22`	`roxy_`	`abrotman: thanks`
`17:29.33`	`roxy_`	`abrotman: you mean the package ?`
`17:29.41`	`abrotman`	`i mean . at all`
`17:29.50`	`roxy_`	`abrotman: it was released in december`
`17:30.07`	`abrotman`	`roxy_: i don't see it at java.com`
`17:30.39`	`simmerz`	`I'm trying to delete an incorrect default route, but its not working - it keeps telling me I have an invalid argument with a SIOCDELRT`
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`17:31.04`	`simmerz`	`I'm using: route del i.p.add.r`
`17:31.11`	`ama`	`i lost a wallet with 413 dollars in it :/`
`17:31.13`	`roxy_`	`abrotman: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp`
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`17:31.58`	`abrotman`	`roxy_: someone should tell java.com :)`
`17:32.02`	`Ronin`	`ama: sucks to be you`
`17:32.46`	`roxy_`	`:-)`
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`17:34.13`	`xDCDx`	`I am trying to boot using tftpd. If I set it up on inetd using the 'nobody' user, as adviced in the manual, in.tftpd says "cannot set groups for user nobody". Setting it to run as root on inetd works fine, but this is a security risk. What can I do?`
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`17:39.29`	`jelly-home`	`simmerz: what is the exact command you're running? Should be something like "route del -default gw ip.ad.d.r"`
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`17:43.07`	`SPF`	`I'm having trouble extracting a zip file`
`17:43.13`	`SPF`	`unzip: cannot find or open bla.zip, bla.zip.zip or bla.zip.ZIP.`
`17:43.19`	`simmerz`	`jelly-home: got it sorted. thanks. problem im having now is that while I have a working net connection and dig works fine, I can't ping anywhere!`
`17:43.33`	`SPF`	`the file is larger than 2Gb`
`17:45.05`	`blondie`	`SPF: if it's a size issue, you could try cat file.zip \| unzip -`
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`17:46.54`	`SPF`	`blondie: unsufficient parameters for unzip`
`17:47.51`	`aadil_`	`doing doing doing`
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`17:55.22`	`SPF`	`sucks, I cant unzip files larger than 2Gb :(`
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`17:57.11`	`jelly-home`	`simmerz: that could be your own firewall rules', or your provider's fault.`
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`17:58.24`	`simmerz`	`jelly-home: neither. no firewall, and every other machine on the network works fine.`
`17:58.33`	`simmerz`	`including my gentoo box.`
`17:58.47`	`simmerz`	`im trying to get it working with a static ip and evidently have something wrong`
`17:58.49`	`jelly-home`	`SPF: how many files are there in the zip? If it's only one you might be able to unpack it with gzip -d`
`17:59.16`	`SPF`	`jelly-home: about 6 files`
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`17:59.57`	`jelly-home`	`SPF: reporting a bug for unzip is probably the way to go :-\|`
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`18:00.07`	`Pdiddypaul`	`need help with enableing dma in mepis 6.0 thanks`
`18:00.08`	`peppo`	`any place for often-reported bugs?`
`18:00.17`	`azeem`	`Pdiddypaul: please ask #mepis`
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`18:00.26`	`peppo`	`or status of unstable?`
`18:00.32`	`Pdiddypaul`	`i was there noone could help`
`18:00.33`	`thomas_`	`how can i use my usb headphones instead of my soundcard ?`
`18:00.36`	`Pdiddypaul`	`i will try again`
`18:01.11`	`anapivirtua`	`Re all`
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`18:01.20`	`SPF`	`jelly-home: could you give me an example howto use gzip to extract certain files?`
`18:01.52`	`jelly-home`	`SPF: nope, I think it can only work on the first file in a .zip`
`18:02.05`	`aadil_`	`did someone say usb headphones?`
`18:02.07`	`aadil_`	`Oo`
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`18:02.31`	`jelly-home`	`aadil_: what's wrong with usb headphones?`
`18:02.32`	`peppo`	`after a recent apt-get upgrade, GNOME applications no longer launch`
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`18:02.49`	`azeem`	`peppo: which version of Debian?`
`18:02.51`	`aadil_`	`jelly-home, well never heard of em till now`
`18:02.57`	`peppo`	`azeem, unstable`
`18:03.12`	`aadil_`	`that's what wrong`
`18:03.12`	`azeem`	`peppo: error message when you run them from an xterm?`
`18:03.19`	`peppo`	`nothing in stdout`
`18:03.20`	`peppo`	`nor in logs`
`18:03.28`	`jelly-home`	`aadil_: me neither, but if usb sound cards and usb speakers exist...`
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`18:03.34`	`azeem`	`peppo: and ps shows them as running?`
`18:03.41`	`azeem`	`peppo: what about ~/.xsession-errors?`
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`18:03.52`	`sybec`	`there is nothing wrong with debian unstable`
`18:03.54`	`peppo`	`azeem, nothing there either. no, they won't launch.`
`18:03.57`	`sybec`	`everybody should use it`
`18:04.02`	`jelly-home`	`sybec: riight`
`18:04.07`	`aadil_`	`usb sound cards? i know of em speakers`
`18:04.11`	`aadil_`	`Oo`
`18:04.12`	`azeem`	`peppo: so bash just returns instantly?`
`18:04.16`	`peppo`	`azeem, er, no, they appear in ps aux`
`18:04.19`	`azeem`	`ah`
`18:04.28`	`peppo`	`they're just not showing`
`18:04.31`	`azeem`	`maybe try to strace one`
`18:04.46`	`peppo`	`open("/tmp/orbit-peppo/bonobo-activation-register.lock", O_RDWR\|O_CREAT, 0700) = 14`
`18:04.48`	`peppo`	`last line`
`18:04.51`	`cahoot`	`thomas_: what do you mean - redirect the output to speakers or what?`
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`18:05.12`	`Quibus`	`hi abrotman :-)`
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`18:05.23`	`abrotman`	`hi`
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`18:05.27`	`azeem`	`peppo: try to logout, run a non-GNOME window manager, check whether gconfd is still running, kill it if yes, and rm -rf /tmp/peppo or so`
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`18:05.30`	`azeem`	`then run GNOME again`
`18:05.39`	`thomas_`	`cahoot: I want to listen in my USB headphones instead of my soundcard :`
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`18:06.08`	`Maximiliano`	`anyone knows if exist any program similar to FileMaker (mac/win) but for debian?`
`18:06.16`	`cahoot`	`thomas_: you want to make the usb device default?`
`18:06.18`	`abrotman`	`like .. little crappy databases ?`
`18:06.26`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: I got it in my apt-file here as well, but it's gone after an apt-file update`
`18:06.30`	`peppo`	`azeem, running icewem now.`
`18:06.34`	`sybec`	`Maximiliano: wtf does filemaker do?`
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`18:06.45`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: SEE!`
`18:06.47`	`cahoot`	`thomas_: or just temporarliy?`
`18:06.50`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: i blame your office!`
`18:06.50`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: :-)`
`18:06.54`	`azeem`	`peppo: so your problems are when running GNOME apps in icewm?`
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`18:07.16`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: yeah, it seems to have a certain degree of suckyness or other negative influence`
`18:07.29`	`Maximiliano`	`sybec: it is a databese manager with integrated interface creator (it is very easy to program because it uses scripts) im not programmer`
`18:07.37`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: besides sucking up a third of your day :)`
`18:07.48`	`Quibus`	`yes, besides that :-)`
`18:07.56`	`Quibus`	`But hey, I can work with Debian GNU/Linux all day :-)`
`18:08.01`	`g00se`	`How can i tell what proportion of network resources my kernel (machine) is getting, as against other networked machines?`
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`18:08.08`	`peppo`	`azeem, thanks, that solved it!`
`18:08.22`	`cahoot`	`thomas_: if you look in /proc/asound/pcm you'll see what device is 0 and 1 respectively`
`18:08.47`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: there are still a few packages that use mozilla-firefox though :-)`
`18:08.58`	`jelly-home`	`Maximiliano: "apt-cache search filemaker" digs up something called kexi, but it's anyone's guess how good it is or how similar to FileMaker`
`18:09.33`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: i know .. i told you that .. contact sam hovecar .. see if it's okay .. i guess . he was the maint for one of them`
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`18:09.57`	`abrotman`	`!maint mozilla-plugin-vlc`
`18:09.58`	`simmerz`	`jelly-home: was just the wrong gateway :(`
`18:10.04`	`Quibus`	`yeah`
`18:10.04`	`dpkg`	`mozilla-plugin-vlc: Sam Hocevar (Debian packages) <sam+deb@zoy.org>`
`18:10.11`	`abrotman`	`erm .. yeah .. that one :)`
`18:10.35`	`Thms`	`I had a connection problem, so how can I listen the sound in my USB headphones instead of my soundcard ?`
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`18:10.58`	`cahoot`	`thms : if you look in /proc/asound/pcm you'll see what device is 0 and 1 respectively`
`18:11.15`	`Thms`	`cahoot: and I change the priority ?`
`18:11.34`	`cahoot`	`Thms: you want to make the usb device the default?`
`18:11.45`	`Thms`	`yes cahoot`
`18:11.56`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: mail sent`
`18:12.00`	`cahoot`	`Thms: do we speak alsa here?`
`18:12.13`	`Thms`	`cahoot: no`
`18:12.29`	`Thms`	`I think USB device use ALSA`
`18:12.39`	`cahoot`	`Thms: then both do`
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`18:12.49`	`Thms`	`cahoot: how do I do ?`
`18:12.58`	`abrotman`	`Quibus: i'd be intersested to to know what he says`
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`18:13.05`	`cahoot`	`Thms: using etch or srage?`
`18:13.19`	`Thms`	`cahoot: etch`
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`18:14.17`	`Quibus`	`abrotman: sure, I'll keep you posted`
`18:14.55`	`cahoot`	`Thms: add the line 'options snd-usb-audio index=0' at the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base`
`18:14.58`	`Maximiliano`	`jelly-home: thanks i will see what about kexi`
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`18:15.30`	`Thms`	`okay cahoot that's all ?`
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`18:15.33`	`cahoot`	`Thms: and correspondingly index=1 for the other device`
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`18:15.50`	`cahoot`	`Thms: then restart alsa`
`18:15.54`	`Thms`	`okay cahoot I'll try thanks`
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`18:16.42`	`Bogus8`	`what would be causing a "stuck key" in X ...at random a key stroke will just act like it's being held down and take off until I hit another key`
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`18:18.59`	`charzero`	`Why do my fonts change every freaking time I do dist-upgrade?!`
`18:19.07`	`abrotman`	`they're being upgraded`
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`18:19.57`	`charzero`	`Is it generally accepted that if you aren't running Gnome or KDE, all your applications and fonts are going to be ugly?`
`18:20.12`	`cahoot`	`yes`
`18:20.17`	`Bogus8`	`even maybe a better way to script a google search to help me find the answers I'm looking for?`
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`18:20.29`	`pumpkin0`	`Charzero : that or fixing your xorg-confg ...`
`18:20.38`	`charzero`	`cahoot: Why? I don't understand it.`
`18:20.42`	`PingFloyd`	`you don't have to have gnome or kde to have good looking fonts`
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`18:21.01`	`charzero`	`None of my fonts are actually the size they claim to be.`
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`18:21.05`	`MetalGeek`	`hi everybody, i've got a problem with the non-free flash plugin in opera 32, i can't have sound in flash videos, i think it's a permission problem because when i'm root, the sound works. I've checked the permission on the device and i've had my user in the audio group but it still doesn't work, anybody have an idea ?`
`18:21.13`	`charzero`	`But if I run KDE or Gnome, everything magically looks okay.`
`18:21.22`	`abrotman`	`it's because something else is using the sound`
`18:21.26`	`linux2`	`does anyone here know how to get mod_cgi to work with apache2 in debian etch? i cannot seem to get it to work no matter what i do`
`18:21.30`	`PingFloyd`	`charzero: compared to what?`
`18:21.41`	`MetalGeek`	`abrotman: no apps uses sound`
`18:21.48`	`MetalGeek`	`just opera`
`18:21.50`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: are you... running Opera as root?`
`18:21.54`	`charzero`	`PingFloyd: compared to enlightenment 17 or e16 or fluxbox or twm.`
`18:22.02`	`Maximiliano`	`jelly-home: many many thanks you... kexi is very similiar to what i am looking for`
`18:22.07`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: just for testing, i'm not mad ^^`
`18:22.08`	`sybec`	`hai2u`
`18:22.24`	`PingFloyd`	`charzero: do you have defoma installed and configured properly?`
`18:23.04`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: ignoring the fact that both Opera an Flash are non-free for a second, try running it in alsa-oss wrapper.`
`18:23.07`	`charzero`	`PingFloyd: Installed, yes. Configured properly, probably not.`
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`18:24.01`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: also, the flash9 beta uses alsa by default, but it's even more unstable with Opera than flash 7.`
`18:24.25`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: i've heard about the gnash project, but i can't make it work under my firefox 64`
`18:24.37`	`linux2`	`anyone know?`
`18:24.39`	`linux2`	`about apache2`
`18:24.43`	`linux2`	`and getting CGI scripts to run?`
`18:24.48`	`linux2`	`it just refuses to work`
`18:24.50`	`ofer0`	`linux2, a2enmod cgi`
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`18:25.06`	`PikAss`	`moin/salut/hello`
`18:25.10`	`ofer0`	`linux2, vim /etc/apache2/apache2.conf`
`18:25.22`	`linux2`	`ofer0: i already did`
`18:25.29`	`linux2`	`and i added the appropriate lines`
`18:25.35`	`ofer0`	`linux2, search for "cgi" (/cgi), and remove the comment from AddHandler`
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`18:25.47`	`ofer0`	`linux2, search a little bit more and you'll understand what you have to do`
`18:25.48`	`linux2`	`AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl`
`18:25.58`	`PikAss`	`anyone here using OpenBox?`
`18:26.01`	`ofer0`	`linux2, now go to your directive and add to the Options directive this: ExecCGI`
`18:26.07`	`Danielss89_`	`hi, when im pinging localhost, it loos all the packages, what could be wrong?`
`18:26.13`	`linux2`	`ofer0: yeah, i already did that`
`18:26.14`	`ofer0`	`linux2, oops, go to your VirtualHost`
`18:26.20`	`ofer0`	`linux2, show me all configs`
`18:26.39`	`ofer0`	`linux2, what happens when you try running that CGI ?`
`18:26.40`	`linux2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:26.40`	`linux2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:26.40`	`linux2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:26.48`	`ofer0`	`no.`
`18:26.53`	`ofer0`	`add ExecCGI to the first Options`
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`18:26.55`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: ehm .. ping 127.0.0.1 has package loss ?`
`18:27.03`	`Danielss89_`	`yes 100%`
`18:27.08`	`ofer0`	`pumpkin0, it can't be`
`18:27.23`	`linux2`	`ofer0: ok im restarting the server now`
`18:27.29`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: what does ifconfig`
`18:27.35`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: say`
`18:27.43`	`linux2`	`ofer0: nope, still prompted to download the file`
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`18:28.07`	`Bogus8`	`I have a bug in debian... it causes "stuck keys" at random times :(`
`18:28.07`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0: say... what:D`
`18:28.16`	`ofer0`	`linux2, is the file empty ?`
`18:28.21`	`ofer0`	`linux2, when you download it`
`18:28.38`	`Danielss89_`	`ah`
`18:28.44`	`linux2`	`ofer0: nope`
`18:28.46`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: open a root console, type "ifconfig". Does it look like a normal ifconfig ... ?`
`18:28.50`	`Bogus8`	`this is a test build in etch... I hope they fix it soon`
`18:28.51`	`linux2`	`http://www.rpmmaker.net/modradio/`
`18:28.53`	`ofer0`	`linux2, wait here a sec`
`18:29.05`	`unlink`	`how do i write a program that has the effect of entering characters into the window with focus?`
`18:29.07`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 i will paste it as i dont know what a normal ifconfig looks like:D`
`18:29.10`	`ofer0`	`linux2, I see an empty page`
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`18:29.14`	`x_link`	`Hi, have another question..`
`18:29.18`	`linux2`	`ofer0: refresh`
`18:29.19`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: into a pastbin please...`
`18:29.26`	`Danielss89_`	`yes`
`18:29.27`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: i've installed alsa-oss, how can i do to redirect sound to it ?`
`18:29.30`	`jelly-home`	`!paste`
`18:29.30`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste`
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`18:29.56`	`x_link`	`Is it possible to JUST change the language in my konsole? So I will get all outputs in english?`
`18:29.56`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: run opera like "aoss opera &"`
`18:29.56`	`ofer0`	`linux2, the file is empty.`
`18:29.56`	`x_link`	`I know a way, but that changes the whole system language to english, and I don't want that.`
`18:29.57`	`MetalGeek`	`ok jelly-home thx`
`18:29.58`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2765`
`18:30.03`	`ofer0`	`linux2, wait a sec.`
`18:30.08`	`x_link`	`If anybody knows how to do then please let me know. Thanks!`
`18:30.10`	`abraxxa`	`i just installed a server with etch and apache only bind to ipv6, why?`
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`18:30.17`	`abraxxa`	`shows netstat`
`18:30.19`	`abrotman`	`LANG=<bla> konsole`
`18:30.25`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: can you ping "89.186.169.112" ?`
`18:30.37`	`jelly-home`	`s/<bla>/C/`
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`18:30.52`	`Danielss89_`	`yes i can pumpkin0`
`18:30.59`	`ofer0`	`linux2, http://rafb.net/p/p1Vd5Q91.html`
`18:31.09`	`Danielss89_`	`how long does it ping:(`
`18:31.14`	`charzero`	`ooh. ATI changed my xorg.conf. Stupid ATI. I'm never getting one of these again.`
`18:31.15`	`john007`	`hi`
`18:31.21`	`john007`	`hi everybody`
`18:31.22`	`linux2`	`[Mon Jan 15 13:49:51 2007] [error] [client 24.34.191.24] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/rpmmaker/modradio/index.cgi' failed`
`18:31.22`	`linux2`	`[Mon Jan 15 13:49:51 2007] [error] [client 24.34.191.24] Premature end of script headers: index.cgi`
`18:31.24`	`ofer0`	`linux2, take this code, put it in a file called blah.pl, chmod +x blah.pl, put it in the right directory and let me know.`
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`18:31.39`	`ofer0`	`linux2, do as I said and we'll be done in 2 minutes`
`18:31.46`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: edit "/etc/network/interfaces" add the line "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback". (ping runs forever, ctrl-c to quit)`
`18:31.49`	`ofer0`	`linux2, and don't paste here, for god's sake`
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`18:32.31`	`jelly-home`	`Is there a web page where I can look up irc nick <-> person mappings for this channel?`
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`18:32.49`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: if they're DDs`
`18:32.57`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: or you can do a /whois :)`
`18:33.00`	`linux2`	`ofer0: humm you can try`
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`18:33.07`	`linux2`	`ofer0: but it is prompting me for download here`
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`18:33.29`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: afterwards run "/etc/init.d/networking restart". (all done as root)`
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`18:33.38`	`ofer0`	`linux2, check logs`
`18:33.40`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: /whois doesn't give much ... eg. your own realname shows as "Unknown"`
`18:33.51`	`pumpkin0`	`linux2: did you triple-check the browser-cache is empty ?`
`18:33.51`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: no it doesn't`
`18:34.06`	`abraxxa`	`does apache2 in etch have a severe bug which prevents it from accepting connections?`
`18:34.08`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: mine has my full name`
`18:34.16`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: hmm`
`18:34.17`	`abrotman`	`Zoran!`
`18:34.17`	`ofer0`	`abrotman, no`
`18:34.21`	`linux2`	`pumpkin0: yep`
`18:34.24`	`pumpkin0`	`abrotman: you sure ? xchat shows unknown too.`
`18:34.26`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: found a bun in XChat :-\|`
`18:34.30`	`jelly-home`	`bug, even`
`18:34.33`	`ofer0`	`I meant abraxxa`
`18:34.36`	`abrotman`	`--- [abrotman] (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) : Alexander Tait Brotman`
`18:34.40`	`linux2`	`[Mon Jan 15 13:53:17 2007] [error] [client 24.34.191.24] Premature end of script headers: blah.pl`
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`18:34.57`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: ask beardy what he gets`
`18:34.58`	`MarcoPau`	`is there any way to check who is using the audio device?`
`18:35.02`	`abrotman`	`fuser`
`18:35.06`	`Azar`	`hi Alex! :)`
`18:35.16`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: I was just thinking of looking him up :-)`
`18:35.19`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: i can see yours .. i can see mine .. i think you're broken`
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`18:35.24`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2766`
`18:35.36`	`linux2`	`ofer0: got it`
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`18:35.39`	`linux2`	`try loading it up now`
`18:35.53`	`ofer0`	`linux2, what was the problem?`
`18:35.57`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: if you're using xchat, try right-click on your nick, then the first entry in the menu`
`18:36.13`	`linux2`	`ofer0: when i copied it from the pastebin it missed a line`
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`18:36.16`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: are you sure you are root ? did you mess with anywith else ?`
`18:36.17`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: but /whois works all right.`
`18:36.20`	`ofer0`	`linux2, damn you.. :)`
`18:36.25`	`ofer0`	`linux2, no worries. have fun!`
`18:36.29`	`Azar`	`abrotman, how can I learn about "menu" so when I remove packages or I add will auto-update?`
`18:36.31`	`abrotman`	`in irssi it's unknown`
`18:36.32`	`MarcoPau`	`abrotman: thanks`
`18:36.34`	`ofer0`	`linux2, consider using mod_perl2 next time, eh?`
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`18:36.42`	`Danielss89_`	`yes root and no mess :D`
`18:36.48`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: weird .. somethign is lying`
`18:36.48`	`linux2`	`ofer0: what is the package name for that?`
`18:36.56`	`ofer0`	`linux2, libapache2-mod-perl2`
`18:37.12`	`ofer0`	`AFAIK`
`18:37.12`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: which debian are you using ?`
`18:37.12`	`Danielss89_`	`etch`
`18:37.12`	`Danielss89_`	`4.0`
`18:37.12`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: in the xchat thingie .. it's set`
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`18:37.31`	`linux2`	`ofer0: says its alreadly installed`
`18:37.37`	`Taza`	`I need to get the CD out of the drive in the middle of the install, but the installer has locked it in. Halp?`
`18:37.38`	`ofer0`	`linux2, goody.. a2enmod perl`
`18:37.49`	`linux2`	`This module is already enabled!`
`18:38.00`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: and irssi had it set .. but yes .. xchat is lying`
`18:38.12`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: goto "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf" and do a "ls -la" and post that. also your /etc/network/interfaces`
`18:38.12`	`Taza`	`I need the CD for the next phase, but I need to get it out to fix the CD drive (it tends to break quite often). Preferably without a reboot...`
`18:38.16`	`ofer0`	`linux2, now you'll have to learn how to use it so your perl script are more effecient :) and join #perl`
`18:38.20`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: works for some, for some others it works not. whatever`
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`18:38.38`	`linux2`	`ofer0: thanks :-)`
`18:38.40`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: i don't care enough :)`
`18:38.51`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: rely on /whois :)`
`18:38.53`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2767`
`18:38.58`	`pumpkin0`	`Taza: get the buss-install CD. that way most of the data comes in via network and not CD.`
`18:38.59`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: exactly. Now that I know, I'll remember to run /whois explicitely`
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`18:39.23`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: is it normal it shows only up under tcp6 in netstat?`
`18:39.24`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: but yes .. if they're a DD .. there is a website`
`18:39.25`	`beardy`	`jelly-home: hello`
`18:39.26`	`Taza`	`pumpkin0: This is the 'net-install CD.`
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`18:39.32`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: are you going to send me a christmas card?!`
`18:39.40`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 and http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2768`
`18:39.41`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, no.`
`18:39.42`	`pumpkin0`	`Taza: get another CD-drive ...`
`18:39.44`	`Taza`	`pumpkin0: It has all the required data, but I have to fix it's position in the drive and it won't read.`
`18:39.48`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, check your ports.conf`
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`18:40.04`	`abrotman`	`ofer0: me ?`
`18:40.10`	`abrotman`	`oh .. nevermind`
`18:40.21`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: Ok, and "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/lo" please.`
`18:40.24`	`Taza`	`pumpkin0: I would if I could, but it'd cost more than a new computer. I just need the installer to allow me to open the CD drive.`
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`18:41.04`	`pumpkin0`	`Taza: you could copy the stuff onto the HD and install w/o any CD-drive ...`
`18:41.04`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2769`
`18:41.08`	`Azar`	`Taza the process needs be stopped then umount the CD`
`18:41.14`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: it just doesn't accept connections, telnet to port 80 works, browser not`
`18:42.13`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, can you give me the addr of the server?`
`18:42.14`	`Taza`	`Anyway to tell the installer to get required packages from the 'net halfway through the install then?`
`18:42.14`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: something is messing heavily with your scripts or login. Did you have anything usuall on the box lately ?`
`18:42.37`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, don't use telnet, use nc (netcat)`
`18:42.38`	`pumpkin0`	`Taza: the buss-install CD does that.`
`18:42.41`	`Taza`	`It freezes at apt trying to get the packages from the CD - if it tried to get 'em from the 'net I don't think I'd have the problem.`
`18:42.58`	`abraxxa`	`212.166.97.108`
`18:43.07`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 yeah, a reinstall i think the server guys fucked it up a little bit..`
`18:43.30`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: are you on a shared, virtual server ?`
`18:43.38`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: can it be a dns problem?`
`18:43.48`	`zamaliphe`	`i have install sendmail but do i have to configure it my self ?`
`18:43.59`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, if you try to access it via the IP - no`
`18:44.10`	`abraxxa`	`works for me`
`18:44.27`	`Danielss89_`	`i dont know if its shared, but i think it is pumpkin0`
`18:44.28`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, it works alright. your apache is fine.`
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`18:44.55`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: what?`
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`18:45.15`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, I don't understand the problem, your server works here just fine`
`18:45.26`	`Azar`	`VirtualBox is out! no need for VMWAre! :)`
`18:45.29`	`abraxxa`	`how have you tested?`
`18:45.34`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: can you ping localhost ?`
`18:45.35`	`abraxxa`	`the namevirtualhost doesn't do anything...`
`18:45.55`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, it does.`
`18:46.13`	`abraxxa`	`not here`
`18:46.25`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 no.. 100 % loss`
`18:46.40`	`Taza`	`Any way I can tell the installer to eject the CD? Or do I have to start from scratch?`
`18:46.43`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: can you tell me your ip?`
`18:46.56`	`abraxxa`	`some syn packets are replied, some not`
`18:46.59`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, yeah, but what would that help ?`
`18:47.15`	`abraxxa`	`i see some working packets in tcpdump, some not`
`18:47.20`	`abraxxa`	`i have no idea why`
`18:47.21`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, /whois me`
`18:47.38`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: try again please`
`18:47.53`	`ofer0`	`still works.`
`18:47.55`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: you could reroute localhost to your outside IP. That should work for a lot of progs. But i don't know have to fix the root of the problem (the permission-error) without checking the virtual-env your debian runs in.`
`18:47.56`	`abraxxa`	`yes, i see it`
`18:48.01`	`abraxxa`	`why not for me?`
`18:48.15`	`abraxxa`	`do you use the ip or the dns name to connect?`
`18:48.32`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, IP`
`18:48.35`	`Danielss89_`	`pumpkin0 hehe how can i do that?`
`18:48.39`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, give me the domain I'll try`
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`18:49.07`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: abraxxa.zorro.at`
`18:49.25`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, works fine, too`
`18:49.35`	`Mazingaro`	`hi`
`18:49.37`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: add the line "89.186.169.112 localhost" to /etc/hosts and remove all other localhost references.`
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`18:49.56`	`Bogus8`	`NO ONE else has ever experienced this sticking keys thing/bug in debian? Seems hard to imagine given how much it happens to me!`
`18:49.57`	`Mazingaro`	`please how can I convert .ccd, .img and .sub image to iso?`
`18:50.20`	`zinx`	`the .img probably is one`
`18:50.38`	`abraxxa`	`ofer0: not for me, not for one of my friends who tries for me...`
`18:50.42`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: it looks more like a hardware problem ...`
`18:50.47`	`abraxxa`	`i see the syn packet, but no syn ack`
`18:50.48`	`Danielss89_`	`now i can ping it`
`18:51.07`	`ofer0`	`abraxxa, sorry, I don't know what's the problem. I can't fix a problem that doesn't exist.`
`18:51.11`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: this doesn't happen any other time... only when I put in debian and more so in X`
`18:51.16`	`Danielss89_`	`ill try install ispconfig:D`
`18:51.16`	`Mazingaro`	`zinx: is there a way?`
`18:51.30`	`Bogus8`	`err.. X is the only time I've seen it`
`18:51.33`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: did you configured your keyboard properly in X ?`
`18:51.40`	`zinx`	`Mazingaro: mv file.img file.iso`
`18:51.43`	`zinx`	`Maz: probably..`
`18:51.53`	`pumpkin0`	`Danielss89_: it is a temp-fix. Get your provider to fix that. That was not the "right" way to do it.`
`18:51.58`	`Bogus8`	`I had set it to the 104? or 105 ... the us type w/ meta keys (windows key)`
`18:52.05`	`Danielss89_`	`oeky pumpkin0`
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`18:52.10`	`Danielss89_`	`ill mail them right away`
`18:52.22`	`zinx`	`Maz: if that doesn't work, try binchunker, though it's not terribly smart and may not work right`
`18:52.23`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: the configuration has screens where it explains you how you should do it`
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`18:52.54`	`zamaliphe`	`i have install sendmail but do i have to configure it my self ?`
`18:52.58`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: yeah, I read all of everything that came on and selected the US keyboard with "extra functions" or hoever they worded`
`18:53.00`	`Azar`	`"if you use a normal qwerty keyboard it would be better to leave it at ...xxx" read the screens`
`18:53.26`	`zamaliphe`	`!sendamil`
`18:53.41`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: you can reconfigure your X at any time: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(xorg)`
`18:53.43`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: I did... and I'm using a keyboard that has a windows key so it's got more than the normal 101 stuff which is why I picked 104/105 (whichever is the US version of that... I don't recall now)`
`18:53.44`	`zamaliphe`	`!sendmail`
`18:53.44`	`dpkg`	`i heard sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name.`
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`18:54.07`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: my keyboard setting is accurate... I read ALL of each screen when setting up X`
`18:54.14`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: your "windows" keys most likely will not work on linux, pick 104 which is standard`
`18:54.38`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: actually it does... in icewm it would switch the "pager" to different vdesktops`
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`18:54.59`	`pumpkin0`	`zamaliphe: there are whole books about configuring sendmail. Most are bigger then my local telephone book.`
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`18:55.02`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: just try to set your keyboard "as if" would be a normal one`
`18:55.13`	`abrotman`	`zamaliphe: if you don't have a good reason to use sendmail .. don't`
`18:55.13`	`theflyingfool`	`is there a list of debian based distros anywhere, with ones that are still keptup`
`18:55.17`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: will do... I have to exit X to run that right?`
`18:55.22`	`Azar`	`yep`
`18:55.25`	`abrotman`	`theflyingfool: yes .. and debian.org/misc/children/`
`18:55.27`	`abrotman`	`i think`
`18:55.38`	`abrotman`	`hrm ..`
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`18:55.54`	`abrotman`	`http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros`
`18:55.55`	`abrotman`	`i was close`
`18:56.20`	`theflyingfool`	`thanks, at first i thought you where kidding when it had children in it 2`
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`18:57.32`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: if that does not work: another way is to have a look at your xorg/xfree-config`
`18:57.40`	`zamaliphe`	`abrotman: i have good reason i have" cpanell host" so i need to learn how to use sendmail .i try to do that on my pc before i do it on the host :)`
`18:57.58`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`18:57.59`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: what would I be looking for?`
`18:58.05`	`abrotman`	`worst reason i've heard`
`18:58.11`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: anything abnormal.`
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`18:58.18`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: it's still not working, opera can't find the libaoss, which is in the right directory, and apparently opera can't find my driver. I tried to specify the path and an alsaconf. my user is in the 'audio' group but i can't have access to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer... any idea ?`
`18:58.36`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: haha.. I probably have no clue what "normal" is ;D`
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`18:58.52`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: funny. are you even running alsa?`
`18:59.09`	`charzero`	`Is it bad that I don't have an /etc/X11/XftConfig ?`
`18:59.22`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: put the wohl file into a pastebin. Somebody in here is bound to find any abnormal stuff ...`
`18:59.39`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: will do.... running through reconfig right now`
`18:59.40`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: try running lsof \|grep /dev/dsp under root and see it anything is holding the oss device still open`
`19:00.31`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: lsof \| grep /dev/dsp doesn't answer anything O_o`
`19:00.39`	`abraxxa`	`bye`
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`19:00.43`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: I'm looking at the screen again... I had picked 104 last time... it's the US with logo keys (which is what I have`
`19:02.05`	`multi_io`	`the iceweasel logo is kinda cute`
`19:02.16`	`MetalGeek`	`jelly-home: i think i'm not running alsa after a lsmod \| grep alsa, i did not have anything`
`19:03.07`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: usually the modules have different naming convention than that`
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`19:03.47`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: lsmod\|grep snd_ is a better way to look for alsa modules.`
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`19:04.02`	`jelly-home`	`MetalGeek: please pastebin your complete lsmod`
`19:04.05`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: like snd_pcm_*`
`19:04.15`	`PingFloyd`	`etc`
`19:04.18`	`MetalGeek`	`PingFloyd: i ran alsaconf and it loaded the corresponding modules snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer`
`19:04.35`	`Bogus8`	`Azar, pumpkin0: I used altwin:meta_win under the "advanced" section... is that safe or would that possibly be the problem (I can't see why it would cause one but I also can't seem to correct this problems so what do I know ;) )`
`19:05.02`	`MetalGeek`	`so i guess i'm running alsa`
`19:05.13`	`Bogus8`	`I call it "advance" because I don't have any other way to define it but it doesn't say "advanced" actually`
`19:05.14`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: seems like it`
`19:05.43`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: i would remove, just to test ...`
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`19:06.35`	`theflyingfool`	`does anyone know a site that compares window managers`
`19:06.39`	`x_link`	`abrotman: LANG=<bla> konsole`
`19:06.42`	`x_link`	`abrotman: LANG=C konsole`
`19:07.02`	`x_link`	`Like that? But when I close the konsole and open it again then it's on swedish again`
`19:07.20`	`x_link`	`Yeah.. didn't work.`
`19:07.32`	`abrotman`	`duh`
`19:07.35`	`abrotman`	`make an alias`
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`19:07.58`	`Maximiliano`	`i neet to know if i can install a program from Koffice even if i do not use KDE... i mean i like to install Kexi on Debian Etch (i use XFce4)... can i?`
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`19:08.17`	`Zta`	`Any idea on how I enable speedstep/cpufreq/similarly on a Intel Duo Core?`
`19:08.17`	`betel`	`x_link: put it in .bashrc`
`19:08.21`	`jelly-home`	`x_link: isn't that what you wanted? you can create a shortcut (or whatever kde calls it) that will run "env LANG=C konsole"`
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`19:08.24`	`abrotman`	`Maximiliano: yes`
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`19:08.48`	`Zta`	`I don't have much success loading and of the usual modules that work on my laptop`
`19:08.56`	`Maximiliano`	`abrotman: i wll try apt-get install kexi (it is enought?)`
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`19:09.17`	`abrotman`	`sure`
`19:09.23`	`x_link`	`abrotman: hehe don't forget that I'm a newbie mate`
`19:09.25`	`Maximiliano`	`thanks`
`19:09.45`	`MetalGeek`	`to have access to /dev/dsp, i just need to be in the 'audio' group ?`
`19:09.51`	`Zta`	`Ah, speedstep-centrino loaded`
`19:10.01`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: usually`
`19:10.02`	`abrotman`	`MetalGeek: you should be`
`19:10.18`	`x_link`	`betel jelly-home Yes that is what I want.`
`19:10.47`	`MetalGeek`	`PingFloyd and abrotman : i'm in it after a 'addgroup' but i can't read anything`
`19:10.57`	`abrotman`	`MetalGeek: you ahve to logout/login`
`19:10.59`	`x_link`	`So I can put env LANG=C konsole anywhere I want in --> nano ~/.bashrc ?`
`19:11.14`	`MetalGeek`	`abrotman: ok`
`19:11.29`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: what do you mean by can't read anything?`
`19:11.40`	`lunaphyte_`	`what web interfaces for iptables are out there (besides that webmin module)?`
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`19:11.43`	`jelly-home`	`x_link: uhh, I don't think that would work well`
`19:11.56`	`MetalGeek`	`PingFloyd: running a command like aumix or playing a song in "moc"`
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`19:12.04`	`zapalotta`	`hello`
`19:12.15`	`jelly-home`	`x_link: ask someone who knows about kde how to create a new menu entry or a shortcut, and then use that`
`19:13.06`	`x_link`	`BAAh`
`19:13.12`	`x_link`	`Didn't work at all`
`19:13.13`	`zapalotta`	`is it possible to divert different remotely logged hosts to different files in sysklogd on sarge? Example: I have 5 Switches and would like to log their output remotely on a central debian host. I'd like to have /var/log/switch1.log, /var/log/switch2.log etc.`
`19:13.21`	`x_link`	`When I did that it poped up ALOT of konsole windows.`
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`19:13.48`	`betel`	`x_link: try changing teh menu entry to 'LANG=C konsole' instead of konsole`
`19:13.50`	`MetalGeek`	`abrotman: i tried a "xterm -ls" to login and the pb is the same, is it enough or must i exit everything and logout/login ?`
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`19:13.55`	`knoxy`	`Hi all! on load of kernel (on first install), the ethernet card isn't detected.. how can I do to my network card will be detected? the network card is: SiS 190`
`19:13.56`	`PingFloyd`	`MetalGeek: not quite sure what you mean, but regardless, you'll have to log off and back on all the way for changes to take effect whenever you change groups etc etc`
`19:14.12`	`MetalGeek`	`ok PingFloyd, thx`
`19:14.15`	`Bogus8`	`Azar, pumpkin0: Hey it's still doing it... here is my xorg.conf file... if someone would scan it for signs of this condition that would rock http://pastie.caboo.se/33379`
`19:14.21`	`PingFloyd`	`all the way, as in log off the user in question from all sessions`
`19:14.27`	`abrotman`	`MetalGeek: yes`
`19:14.31`	`x_link`	`betel: Okey, I will do that now`
`19:14.46`	`MetalGeek`	`abrotman: ok i'm doing it right now, thx all`
`19:14.54`	`PingFloyd`	`np, good luck`
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`19:16.24`	`betel`	`x_link: I'd put 'export LANG=C' at the end of ~/.bashrc, but if domeone else in here has told you otherwise he/she probably knows more then me`
`19:16.44`	`x_link`	`I tried that. It doesn't work.`
`19:17.02`	`x_link`	`Cause when I close the konsole and open it again, then it's swedish again.`
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`19:17.14`	`charzero`	`How do I change the default font sizes for my qt and gtk applications?`
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`19:18.07`	`rhsanborn`	`Anyone have any recommendations for a good text editor with an easy learning curve? I have to have something, mostly with block select. I plan on learning vim, but just don't have the time to learn it right this moment`
`19:18.11`	`knoxy`	`Hi all! on load of kernel (on first install), the ethernet card isn't detected.. how can I do to my network card will be detected? the network card is: SiS 190`
`19:18.12`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: switch line 49 from (Driver "kbd") to (Driver "keyboard"). (Hint: this is guessing. It may be the cause, but there is no garante)`
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`19:18.28`	`Alarmi`	`q`
`19:18.29`	`charzero`	`rhsanborn: Can it be a GUI?`
`19:18.45`	`rhsanborn`	`charzero, for this task, gui is prefered :P`
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`19:18.58`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: you are using a "windows" keyboard for a dual boot system? Does that keyboard use a special software driver?`
`19:19.06`	`mfrisch`	`rhsanborn: vim is worth learning. there is cream if you want menus`
`19:19.22`	`Kuko`	`<3 jed!`
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`19:19.40`	`charzero`	`rhsanborn: Install vim and use 'evim'`
`19:19.49`	`rhsanborn`	`mfrisch, I'm going to learn vim and latex for writing papers...but it'll take a while to learn. I have to edit some 'dir' output to write a script right now though :P`
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`19:20.15`	`Azar`	`rhsanborn: there is a "vimtutor" command and is really easy to follow it`
`19:20.18`	`mfrisch`	`rhsanborn: cream is "based" on vim. but it walks you through alot`
`19:20.44`	`charzero`	`rhsanborn: evim - easy Vim, edit a file with Vim and setup for modeless editing`
`19:20.45`	`PingFloyd`	`some days I wish the GUI was never invented`
`19:20.57`	`charzero`	`PingFloyd: Every day I wish that.`
`19:21.24`	`rhsanborn`	`I'll write all those down and take a look at them this evening. I'll be in academia for a long time, and vim and latex will be huge for me. But like I said, I have to get this script done real quick like :P`
`19:21.40`	`Azar`	`PingFloyd: when I said goodbye to windows I spent almost two years on cli with Debian Woody`
`19:22.06`	`charzero`	`Azar: I did that too. But only because I couldn't get the X Windowing Disaster to run properly.`
`19:22.11`	`jelly-home`	`Azar: you poor thing!`
`19:22.18`	`HardDisk_WP`	`narf`
`19:22.26`	`HardDisk_WP`	`debian US mirror is soooooo slow`
`19:22.27`	`PingFloyd`	`Azar: more and more I'm doing away with X based apps and replacing them with CLI and curses based ones`
`19:22.29`	`a-atwood`	`emacs >>> vim`
`19:22.33`	`HardDisk_WP`	`60KB/s...`
`19:22.35`	`Azar`	`people who never played donkeykong and pong in DOS will never know the fun of a cli screen`
`19:22.52`	`PingFloyd`	`I sometimes miss DOS`
`19:22.57`	`knoxy`	`Hi all! on load of kernel (on first install), the ethernet card isn't detected.. how can I do to my network card will be detected? the network card is: SiS 190`
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`19:23.17`	`charzero`	`knoxy: Figure out what module it uses, and put it in /etc/modules`
`19:23.24`	`a-atwood`	`PingFloyd: sometimes I miss DOS a lot.`
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`19:23.33`	`Azar`	`knoxy: what kernel version?`
`19:23.35`	`rhsanborn`	`One thing with a cli is that you need to be better with that app to make it useful than if you were using a gui. So, if its something I only want to use once or twice for a specific task, I don't want to take days to learn it....`
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`19:24.07`	`a-atwood`	`ultimate DOS was OS/2 with no workplace shell running EMX gnu software`
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`19:25.03`	`Steven_Laptop`	`is Happy to`
`19:25.34`	`Azar`	`rhsanborn: that's where crooks take advantage of the gui-addicted and cli-noobs to push/sell all crappy apps that "claim" to protect your system`
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`19:25.54`	`a-atwood`	`oh, I wouldn't go back. ever. QEMM. <shudder>`
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`19:25.56`	`esters`	`how can i make .deb packages from source ?`
`19:25.57`	`PingFloyd`	`rhsanborn: except with the cli apps, it's time spent becoming proficient with the apps as apposed to trying to get it work in a manner that's not retarded with your WM :)`
`19:26.59`	`rhsanborn`	`PingFloyd, absolutely agreed...its a question of whether that proficiency is going to be ultimately beneficial. If its something I'm going to do consistently, its worth learning the cli...if its something I'm going to do once...its prolly not worth my time.`
`19:27.15`	`Azar`	`it's time for users to take charge and learn how their hardware work with the software installed, a time spent reading is not a loss, is a gain`
`19:27.29`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, I disagree`
`19:27.39`	`Azar`	`rhsanborn: your right.`
`19:27.43`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, what line of work are you in`
`19:27.44`	`rhsanborn`	`?`
`19:28.04`	`Azar`	`rhsanborn: I am an insignificant accountant`
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`19:28.30`	`Azar`	`.. who totally disagrees with the OS and crappy software that I am forced to use..`
`19:28.35`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, there are probably tasks in your job that would be severely benefited by knowing the ins and outs of certain packages, no?`
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`19:29.11`	`Azar`	`yep, that why I spend my time arguing with the ITs that sells the horrible software for us to use`
`19:29.19`	`mfrisch`	`how would you recreate a dm-crypted partition, that was made during install, bare metal? I have dumps, and was going to just do a base install then restore on that. Is there a better way?`
`19:29.41`	`nkuttler`	`esters: does it come with a debian directory in it?`
`19:29.52`	`esters`	`well i think no`
`19:30.05`	`esters`	`it's xchat-2.8.0`
`19:30.52`	`Azar`	`and you know, most of the windows apps are mostly made to "look good" for the corps, but are terribly inefficient, half of the job I am doing around the application, manually`
`19:30.55`	`rhsanborn`	`My point is that some people only need to know how to use, and how to use efficiently, the software that they need. I was the kind of IT guy who prefered to have people login in the morning and have their app pop up for them, and to have most of their tasks in one app. They were data-entry people, they didn't need to know how to get in the workings of the OS to do their job, and do it well`
`19:30.59`	`nkuttler`	`esters: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/`
`19:31.12`	`Azar`	`rhsanborn: speaking like a true vole`
`19:31.33`	`esters`	`ah reading >< :)`
`19:31.34`	`nkuttler`	`esters: well... i guess there is a backport somewhere for that`
`19:31.42`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, vole?`
`19:31.42`	`Azar`	`"we know better what the users want" "it is the users fault" right, rhsanborn ?`
`19:31.49`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, no`
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`19:32.05`	`esters`	`Azar: one that is called "Vista"`
`19:32.07`	`Azar`	`ok Im closing this discussion it does not lead anywhere`
`19:32.20`	`Azar`	`a "vole" is a mswindows worshiper`
`19:32.27`	`mfrisch`	`Azar: I think he was just tending sheep`
`19:32.44`	`Azar`	`oh well some people grow and age like that`
`19:32.46`	`rhsanborn`	`Azar, I'm perfectly willing to give the users as much as the can handle/want. These people were old ladies. I gave them what they needed`
`19:33.02`	`Azar`	`.....`
`19:35.04`	`PingFloyd`	`I like the unix mentality better of creating apps that do one thing great, then you use a shell to orchestrate them altogether`
`19:35.54`	`PingFloyd`	`I hate the windows mentality of apps trying to cover so many things in a bloated and half-ass manner`
`19:38.05`	`esters`	`bit pissed about .deb package building`
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`19:39.33`	`embrik`	`Hi! My dist is debian, sarge. I've installed mplayer, w32codecs, libdvdss, mencoder, mozilla-mplayer2-7. I can't play mp3 nor do I get sound on Web-TV.`
`19:39.56`	`g333k_work`	`hi,. how to write a filename with spaces when copying it with scp?`
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`19:40.16`	`esters`	`file\ name`
`19:40.30`	`g333k_work`	`esters, is the only way?`
`19:40.51`	`esters`	`well this is the only one i know`
`19:41.00`	`mfrisch`	`g333k_work: use your tab key to complete the filename if local`
`19:41.14`	`g333k_work`	`mfrisch, is not local..... remote`
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`19:41.53`	`pumpkin0`	`g333k_work: try putting " around the name.`
`19:42.06`	`mfrisch`	`g333k_work: I would use filenames without spaces than....then that ^^^ is the only way`
`19:42.08`	`HardDisk_WP`	`which icon theme uses KDE?`
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`19:42.22`	`HardDisk_WP`	`i am interested in the harddisk icon which you can see at kde3.5 during KDE init`
`19:42.26`	`M_Fatih_`	`i have a serious problem with my 5.2" external box usb hdd.. when i umount and swich to off mode in windows, there is no ugly sound.. but in ubuntu, i umount all partitions in my external disk and i switch the on/off button to off, then disk has poweroff with a ugly "cligk" sound.. i broked a external hdd with mount problems before.. and i don't want to break this hdd :( any idea? (sorry for bad english)`
`19:42.33`	`HardDisk_WP`	`where can i search it?`
`19:42.44`	`HardDisk_WP`	`M_Fatih_, #ubuntu`
`19:42.55`	`curt_`	`I must have forgot something .. deboostrap install on a remote server isn't coming back online. BAH`
`19:42.56`	`M_Fatih_`	`i asked there but no answers :(`
`19:42.56`	`pumpkin0`	`!tell M_Fatih_ about ubuntu`
`19:43.22`	`mfrisch`	`ubuntu frying hardrives today!`
`19:43.45`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: Even no answer is an answer`
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`19:43.54`	`pumpkin0`	`M_Fatih_: there are ways to spindown the drive after umounting, but these are very specific to the kernel version and patch-level.`
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`19:44.20`	`karsten`	`pumpkin0: how about hdparm?`
`19:44.25`	`M_Fatih_`	`pumpkin0, shutdown -p command does it but i don't know how? :(`
`19:44.37`	`pumpkin0`	`karsten: does not work over USB-scsi-emulation.`
`19:44.54`	`karsten`	`pumpkin0: Feh.`
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`19:45.10`	`pumpkin0`	`karsten: (most of the time that is. There are also patches for that out there)`
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`19:45.30`	`M_Fatih_`	`i want to command to do "umount disk head from disk"`
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`19:46.17`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: Technically, it's "park heads"`
`19:46.18`	`spyro_boy`	/usr/bin/ld: warning: i386 architecture of input file `Gui/libgui.a(app.o)' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output
`19:46.22`	`spyro_boy`	/usr/bin/ld: warning: i386 architecture of input file `Gui/libgui.a(interface.o)' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output
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`19:46.27`	`spyro_boy`	`woops`
`19:46.29`	`spyro_boy`	`sorry`
`19:46.38`	`spyro_boy`	`I almost accidentally pasted 13 lines :(`
`19:46.43`	`pumpkin0`	`M_Fatih_: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/sg_start.8.html`
`19:46.50`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: No.`
`19:46.51`	`M_Fatih_`	`karsten, i can't translate what i must tell actually :)`
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`19:47.02`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: ... technially, you almost accidentally pasted four lines and got kicked ;-)`
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`19:47.09`	`spyro_boy`	`lmao`
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`19:47.16`	`spyro_boy`	`I meant to paste the rafb link`
`19:47.22`	`M_Fatih_`	`karsten, is this actions's name "spin-down" ?`
`19:47.28`	`M_Fatih_`	`powering off a disk?`
`19:47.30`	`spyro_boy`	`http://rafb.net/p/xMC0A939.html There`
`19:47.34`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: The action you're looking for is referred to as "parking heads". Spin down is related.`
`19:47.40`	`spyro_boy`	`I got that error`
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`19:47.52`	`M_Fatih_`	`hmm.. ok thanks for key, i'm searching..`
`19:47.53`	`pumpkin0`	`M_Fatih_: spin-down includes a park head.`
`19:47.58`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: I don't know how it's referenced in the drive command set. But parking and spindown are the terms you want to look for.`
`19:48.21`	`spyro_boy`	`when compile mplayer for the amd64 architecture and I used this configure like: ./configure --target=amd64 --enable-gui --largefiles`
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`19:48.30`	`spyro_boy`	`and I compiled it with: make -j`
`19:48.46`	`M_Fatih_`	`yes mybe, my english not enough for translate this technical problem..`
`19:48.50`	`mfrisch`	`spyro_boy: there's a deb for mplayer.`
`19:48.51`	`spyro_boy`	`I'm running Debian AMD64.`
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`19:48.52`	`M_Fatih_`	`thanks for understanding me`
`19:48.56`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: Looks like a bad library combo.`
`19:48.56`	`spyro_boy`	`mfrisch, I have it`
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`19:49.06`	`spyro_boy`	`I need mencoder though`
`19:49.11`	`spyro_boy`	`and I'd rather compile it myself`
`19:49.12`	`pumpkin0`	`M_Fatih_: ==>> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/sg_start.8.html <<==`
`19:49.16`	`mfrisch`	`spyro_boy: there's a deb for mencoder`
`19:49.29`	`M_Fatih_`	`i'm reading..`
`19:49.32`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: Turkish?`
`19:49.36`	`spyro_boy`	`karsten, I tried looking for the lib devian package, but I found nothing`
`19:49.42`	`spyro_boy`	`debian*`
`19:49.44`	`M_Fatih_`	`karsten, yes`
`19:49.47`	`embrik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:49.50`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: What are you building?`
`19:49.58`	`spyro_boy`	`karsten, mplayer`
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`19:50.02`	`spyro_boy`	`karsten, and mencoder`
`19:50.03`	`stranger_stone`	`someone knows why my very old soundblaster allways reconigze to make sound in linux is not reconize in linux debian etch :\|`
`19:50.06`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: Um. Why?`
`19:50.15`	`karsten`	`!sound`
`19:50.16`	`dpkg`	`hmm... sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard`
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`19:50.22`	`Fly_80`	`hello, i have a great problem: I did an apt-get upgrade. After reboot I have all characters like Japanese (i see only squares instead of character!) Please HELP ME`
`19:50.22`	`spyro_boy`	`Because the Debian package doesn't have certain option I need.`
`19:50.24`	`M_Fatih_`	`i asked in my language support channels but they aren't know this`
`19:50.35`	`valdyn`	`embrik: maybe you need libmad0`
`19:50.42`	`mfrisch`	`spyro_boy: if you want to waste time, you probally don't have the x headers`
`19:50.59`	`karsten`	`M_Fatih_: Right. Keep asking here. I'm not sure of the specifics. Might also try ##linux`
`19:51.06`	`spyro_boy`	`X headers?`
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`19:51.19`	`M_Fatih_`	`karsten, i did it :)`
`19:51.37`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: The keyboard is on a laptop and requires no special software and I'm not dual booting... sorry for taking so long to get back ... loaded a ubuntu live disc to see if it does it also`
`19:52.03`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: I'll check it after I test this on a ubuntu live disc ...sorry for taking so long to get back ... loaded a ubuntu live disc to see if it does it also`
`19:52.05`	`pumpkin0`	`spyro_boy: x11 dev files.`
`19:52.11`	`stranger_stone`	karsten i have the alsa cames whith etch just don`t work duno why :\|
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`19:52.22`	`mfrisch`	`spyro_boy: you may need headers depending on your build, the x headers are one video output.`
`19:52.26`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: and ? did it lock the keys too ?`
`19:52.41`	`Fly_80`	`how can i change the gnome language settings???`
`19:52.48`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: Just got it up and running.. it's never really predictable when it will do it`
`19:52.50`	`karsten`	`spyro_boy: M_Fatih: I've got to get back to work.`
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`19:53.01`	`spyro_boy`	`Ah, forget it. I'll try the debian package`
`19:53.02`	`karsten`	`Fly_80: ... it's a control panel setting somewhere.`
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`19:53.06`	`spyro_boy`	`karsten, have fun`
`19:53.07`	`valdyn`	`embrik: mplayer shouldnt even run without it, and its responsible for decoding mp3`
`19:53.08`	`Fly_80`	`i see only japanese fonts :(`
`19:53.16`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: old 600mhz 256mb ram so running a live disc isn't all that fast ;)`
`19:53.27`	`M_Fatih`	`karsten, regarts..`
`19:53.30`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: there are two possibilities: 1. faulty keyboard like pumpkin0 said 2. the reconfiguration needs to be done until you reach the right setting.`
`19:53.37`	`Fly_80`	`please help me, i only did an update!`
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`19:53.44`	`valdyn`	`embrik: so it does look to me like something else is wrong, or you compiled a broken mplayer yourself`
`19:53.45`	`pumpkin0`	`Bogus8: a huge msg ending with 5 lines the same char should be notice enough ..`
`19:54.29`	`PeterC`	`I have a motherboard with two NIC. At installation only one was configured. What is the easiest way to configure the other one and maybe even set that one as the default NIC?`
`19:54.36`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: what kernel version are you using?`
`19:54.43`	`n3kl`	`What package contains the svn binary?`
`19:54.50`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: load the module first in /etc/modules`
`19:54.50`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: correct... I surf with my keyboard a lot.. so I'll just do that for a while... an arrow will lock I'm sure`
`19:55.00`	`M_Fatih`	`how can i spin-down a disk?`
`19:55.03`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: umm 2.6.8.13? latest testing debian`
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`19:55.05`	`Guerin`	`n3kl: /msg dpkg search`
`19:55.16`	`Guerin`	`M_Fatih: hdparm -S n /dev/foo`
`19:55.22`	`Guerin`	`M_Fatih: where n is an integer`
`19:55.30`	`Azar`	`pumpkin0: do you think that a higher kernel will accomodate his "fancy keyboard" ?`
`19:55.41`	`pumpkin0`	`Azar: no...`
`19:56.00`	`Bogus8`	`Azar, pumpkin0: honestly there is almost no way it's the keyboard... I was running win2k on this laptop forever and never had a single hang up... the minute I get X running it appeared (sure it could have JUST broke, but unlikely)`
`19:56.01`	`Azar`	`yeah, right a keyboard, is just a keyboard, nothing fancy about it`
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`19:56.31`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: But there is no entry in /etc/network/interfaces for the second one.`
`19:56.39`	`cahoot`	`PeterC: etch?`
`19:56.44`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: that's becaue the module ain't loaded`
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`19:56.48`	`Azar`	`Bogus8: some PCs are "made for windows" and some crappy firmware are in place. firmware that might not work properly with another os?`
`19:56.54`	`PeterC`	`cahoot: Yes`
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`19:57.20`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: So I only have to figure out which module to load then?`
`19:57.25`	`mfrisch`	`Bogus8: did you say what kernel?`
`19:57.30`	`Guerin`	`!which module`
`19:57.37`	`Bogus8`	`Azar: well, we shall see with this ubuntu live disc`
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`19:57.49`	`Guerin`	`dpkg: botsnack`
`19:57.49`	`dpkg`	`Guerin: thanks`
`19:57.50`	`Azar`	`mfrisch: he is on 2.6.8`
`19:57.53`	`pumpkin0`	`Azar: there are some old keyboard controllers that need special kernel options to work ...`
`19:57.54`	`Guerin`	`mm`
`19:57.55`	`Bogus8`	`mfrisch: umm 2.6.8.13? latest testing debian`
`19:57.57`	`Guerin`	`!which driver`
`19:57.57`	`dpkg`	`Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device.`
`19:57.59`	`M_Fatih`	`Guerin, is this spin-down process is dangerous? not when transfering files, or afret umount?`
`19:58.05`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: ↑`
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`19:58.17`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: Thanks!`
`19:58.21`	`Azar`	`pumpkin0: yes, like the old modems ...`
`19:58.32`	`mfrisch`	`Azar: I got a bullcrap wireless it only works 2.6.8.16+`
`19:58.48`	`Guerin`	`M_Fatih: i'm not aware of any way to manually spin down a drive - you change that setting and it should spin itself down after a time lapse which is documented in TFM.`
`19:58.49`	`Bogus8`	`pumpkin0: Azar mfrisch: this laptop is nearly 10 years old Mitac 7020 (and known to work well with linux as I read)`
`19:59.14`	`pumpkin0`	`M_Fatih: it is safe even if there are transfers running. It will spin-up afterwards. For your useage it would be best after the umount`
`19:59.21`	`Azar`	`mfrisch: I am not quite familiar on how certain kernels are supporting older, current or newer hardware.... but a keyboard should be trivial`
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`19:59.47`	`stoned`	`almost my entire system powers down after an hour`
`19:59.59`	`mfrisch`	`Azar: I have seen some laptops use wrong or weird keymaps...maybe?`
`19:59.59`	`Azar`	`maybe support for older models are dropped with a 2.6.x kernel?`
`20:00.02`	`stoned`	`unless its being used`
`20:00.03`	`pumpkin0`	`Guerin: sg_start --stop /dev/s* for scsi, hdparm -y /dev/hd* for ide.`
`20:00.04`	`M_Fatih`	`pumpkin0, yes i'm tring now :) thanks Guerin and pumpkin0`
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`20:00.07`	`stoned`	`I love technology`
`20:00.23`	`Guerin`	`mm, ok`
`20:00.28`	`stoned`	`oh man`
`20:00.35`	`stoned`	`should I be worried about my cornhole?`
`20:00.41`	`stoned`	`Azar, j/k`
`20:00.43`	`stoned`	`:)`
`20:00.46`	`Guerin`	`...`
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`20:00.56`	`Azar`	`yep... let's have Guerin wonder`
`20:01.01`	`stoned`	`lol`
`20:01.07`	`stoned`	`!confuse Guerin`
`20:01.08`	`dpkg`	`No, them is my bacon tomorrow, Guerin? wellies of the republic of swaziland with extra cheese`
`20:01.11`	`stoned`	`yayayaya!`
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`20:01.12`	`Guerin`	`i don't wonder`
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`20:01.30`	`Guerin`	`well, I wonder if you're actually adults, but that's different`
`20:01.35`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: What a wonderful tool (http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/)!!! Excellent!!!`
`20:01.35`	`stoned`	`lol`
`20:01.51`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: kmuto is the winnar ;)`
`20:01.58`	`Azar`	`Guerin acts like an old-fashioned teacher`
`20:02.13`	`EmeraldCat`	`Hello. I just started to partition my 20 GB drive using cfdisk. Since I need 7 partitions, the first 3 (/boot and SWAP) should be primary, while the rest 4 should be logical?`
`20:02.27`	`abrotman`	`EmeraldCat: not again!`
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`20:02.31`	`valdyn`	`EmeraldCat: your choice`
`20:02.32`	`pumpkin0`	`EmeraldCat: why do you use 7 partitions ?`
`20:02.38`	`Guerin`	`Azar: what, I bend people over and hit them with yardsticks if they fart in class?`
`20:02.52`	`Azar`	`:) something like that..`
`20:02.57`	`EmeraldCat`	`Well, there are only 4 primary partitions allowed, right?`
`20:03.01`	`timmy06`	`is it possible to access a linux FS in windows? the FS is not a partition, it's a remote server.`
`20:03.02`	`stoned`	`Guerin, kids get punished for farting? Dude, wtf?`
`20:03.16`	`daft`	`How can i get wpa_supplicant to command dhclient after a connection is made?`
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`20:03.25`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: yes. If you have more than four partitions, make three primary and the rest logical`
`20:03.27`	`mfrisch`	`timmy06: with ssh`
`20:03.35`	`pumpkin0`	`timmy06: install samba and have fun.`
`20:03.36`	`Guerin`	`stoned: i know, the world's stupid, ain't it`
`20:03.41`	`stoned`	`yup`
`20:03.51`	`mfrisch`	`pumpkin0: your cruel`
`20:03.58`	`EmeraldCat`	`Guerin: So hda4 won't exist?`
`20:04.09`	`stoned`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:04.18`	`pumpkin0`	`mfrisch: ... kind of. I could have talked about NFS...`
`20:04.20`	`daft`	`if its logical`
`20:04.26`	`stoned`	`1-3 will be of course primary`
`20:04.33`	`Bogus8`	`Azar, pumpkin0: here is my laptop and some guy's notes on using linux on it http://web.archive.org/web/20020409011309/cgi.di.uoa.gr/~grad0307/linux/mitac/mitac.html`
`20:04.41`	`Guerin`	`EmeraldCat: it will be a primary partition which contains the remaining logical partitions (hda5-n)`
`20:04.46`	`stoned`	`4 will be too, with 5 onwards residing in hda4 as extended/logical parts.`
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`20:05.02`	`EmeraldCat`	`Oh, ok.`
`20:05.24`	`timmy06`	`pumpkin0: i thought samba only lets you mount windows shares to linux... and not the other way around??`
`20:05.36`	`stoned`	`timmy06, works both ways`
`20:05.49`	`timmy06`	`stoned: ah very nice`
`20:06.06`	`blondie`	`timmy06: no, it's mainly the other way`
`20:06.12`	`Ronin`	`nvz: slacker`
`20:06.16`	`Ronin`	`doh, damn tab key`
`20:06.18`	`stoned`	`go to windows and run \\samba ip\share and it will ask you for the password for the linux user`
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`20:06.30`	`mfrisch`	`timmy06: what are you trying to do? mount a remote share for one time or forever?`
`20:06.30`	`stoned`	`timmy06, you must add one prior to doing this with smbpasswd`
`20:06.40`	`stoned`	`timmy06, visit #samba`
`20:06.51`	`nvz`	`what makes you thinkg iceweasels would wear pants`
`20:06.53`	`stoned`	`unless you have specific debian related samba questions`
`20:06.58`	`HardDisk_WP`	`how do i configure locales??`
`20:07.03`	`stoned`	`dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`20:07.08`	`HardDisk_WP`	`thx`
`20:07.12`	`mfrisch`	`kick the iceape too`
`20:07.25`	`timmy06`	`ok, thanks guys`
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`20:08.11`	`Fly_80`	`anybody can help me? GDM starts in another language (I think japanese or somewhat), I tried with dpkg-reconfigure locales and there is the default one`
`20:08.28`	`Fly_80`	`GDM and gnome starts in that language`
`20:08.30`	`Fly_80`	`:(`
`20:08.37`	`stoned`	`select en_US`
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`20:09.20`	`Fly_80`	`ok. i try`
`20:09.30`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: thats only for the session..he needs to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf`
`20:09.31`	`PingFloyd`	`select the languages you want and deselect the ones you don't`
`20:09.32`	`pumpkin0`	`stoned: for somebody from italy ?`
`20:09.48`	`stoned`	`Fly_80, I supposed he wanted english`
`20:09.52`	`M_Fatih`	`hey pumpkin0 and Guerin, it not working with hdparm because this is external disk, it works with sdparm :) thanks for help again`
`20:09.55`	`stoned`	`I'm sorry for assuming`
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`20:10.07`	`Fly_80`	`it's the same`
`20:10.15`	`Fly_80`	`italian or english`
`20:10.25`	`Fly_80`	`now it's setted IT`
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`20:10.38`	`Fly_80`	`UTF8 o ISO8859 for en_US ?`
`20:10.44`	`Fly_80`	`*or`
`20:10.53`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, what needs be edited in gdm.conf`
`20:11.44`	`curt_`	`I wish my host provided Debian run servers, then I wouldn't have to be doing this to begin with.`
`20:11.45`	`jelly-home`	`Flimzy: try iso`
`20:11.45`	`jelly-home`	`err`
`20:11.45`	`jelly-home`	`Fly_80: try iso`
`20:11.45`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: give me a sec...but you set the iso in gdm.conf. and he said gdm is jap too`
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`20:12.04`	`blondie`	`Fly_80: did you choose the language from the login screen?`
`20:12.18`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I did not see that.. must've missed it`
`20:12.31`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I never used gdm`
`20:12.32`	`stoned`	`:)`
`20:12.46`	`Guerin`	`!printer`
`20:12.47`	`dpkg`	`i guess printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui`
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`20:13.39`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: it use to have it...now it uses a minimal config. there's a gui to config its lang`
`20:14.20`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I`
`20:14.22`	`stoned`	`er..`
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`20:14.36`	`stoned`	`I'm a kde man, and I'm helping with kde/debian translation to Urdu`
`20:14.37`	`Fly_80`	`blondie`
`20:14.49`	`stoned`	`I can' wait to see debian/kde in my language`
`20:14.52`	`Fly_80`	`how can i select the language?`
`20:14.57`	`stoned`	`that woudl be the shizbimbamboozle`
`20:15.22`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: whats that...it maybe`
`20:15.33`	`PingFloyd`	`you're not missing much`
`20:15.41`	`stoned`	`its not`
`20:15.52`	`stoned`	`I know because I'm one of the guys localizing it`
`20:16.07`	`blondie`	`Fly_80: well gdm gives me a langauge option in one of the menus`
`20:16.36`	`stoned`	`!ur`
`20:16.36`	`dpkg`	`Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.`
`20:16.37`	`Fly_80`	`blondie which menu?`
`20:16.38`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: Looking at dmesg both modules seems already have been loaded. But I don't see them in /etc/modules.`
`20:16.39`	`Fly_80`	`tell me the position`
`20:16.43`	`blondie`	`i dont remember`
`20:16.45`	`blondie`	`the middle one`
`20:16.53`	`Danielss89`	`!dk`
`20:16.54`	`dpkg`	`i guess dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og f� hj�lp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark`
`20:16.54`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: are you native american?`
`20:16.58`	`Fly_80`	`I cannot read nothing, i see all [][][][][][][]`
`20:17.02`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, no, Indian`
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`20:17.36`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: what's the missing card?`
`20:17.39`	`stranger_stone`	why on debian 3.1_r4 the sound works fine ... and now on etch don`t have sound or i install onece and have sound and then don`t have sound again after others instalation lol
`20:17.43`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: thats strange for where you live OK`
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`20:18.05`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I know. Native American != Indian.`
`20:18.25`	`nse`	`mozart move everybody`
`20:18.31`	`cahoot`	`PeterC: I'd suggest a look into /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent-net.rules`
`20:18.32`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, for being where I am, its hard dealing with it, because everyone refers to native americans as indians here and its not cool`
`20:18.34`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: I use to live on a reservation in AZ.`
`20:18.37`	`stranger_stone`	`mfrisch how like this? where i'm from?`
`20:18.48`	`M_Fatih`	`hi, sdparm --command=stop /dev/sda command returns : /dev/sda: WDC WD25 WD-WCANK7728423 1C03 is this is not worked stop command for /dev/sda ?? because it not worked :) .. what is this error or whatever?`
`20:19.06`	`PingFloyd`	`stoned: blame Columbus`
`20:19.06`	`cahoot`	`stranger_stone: install alsa-utils and rundpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base`
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`20:19.55`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: I have one 3com and one nVidia onboard. The URL you gave me says 'nForce2 Ethernet Controller (forcedeth)' och '3C920B-EMB Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller [Tornado] (3c59x)'`
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`20:20.16`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: The missing one is the nForce`
`20:20.23`	`stranger_stone`	`ok will try`
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`20:22.07`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: Both are in /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent-net.rules`
`20:24.06`	`stranger_stone`	`pufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff`
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`20:24.54`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: I went to highschool with a Indian. She went over after the typhoon.`
`20:25.38`	`larsl`	`If the installer, when detecting harddrives, says: dma_intr: error: 0x40 { UncorrectableError } for 80 contiguous sectors, does that mean that the drive is pretty much unusable?`
`20:25.47`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, I dunno what to say? What should I say... I'm unsure of what to say? Should I even say anything..`
`20:26.28`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: she is very concerned about family thats all`
`20:26.32`	`azeem`	`larsl: yes`
`20:26.40`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, did she run debian?`
`20:26.54`	`stoned`	`j/k family is important`
`20:27.40`	`larsl`	`azeem: The strange thing is that one of the partitions on the drive get mounted OK when I boot from it, but another partition has all those errors.`
`20:27.52`	`mfrisch`	`stoned: if she has a computer I would make sure`
`20:28.09`	`stoned`	`you had better`
`20:28.12`	`stoned`	`:)`
`20:28.14`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: so eth0 (3com) is up?`
`20:28.31`	`larsl`	`azeem: Are there any tools that can boot and disable the partition, avoiding those errors?`
`20:28.33`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: is it older drive?`
`20:28.43`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: Yes`
`20:28.44`	`larsl`	`mfrisch: A couple of years. 5 or 6 maybe.`
`20:28.58`	`Bogus8`	`Azar, pumpkin0: It happened in ubuntu live 6.06 also :(`
`20:29.02`	`azeem`	`larsl: as soon as you have bad sectors, a drive is mostly dead for all practical purposes`
`20:29.07`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: have you put fs over fs for years and years?`
`20:29.10`	`azeem`	`larsl: I suggest you replace it`
`20:29.15`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: try ifconfig eth1 up`
`20:29.23`	`larsl`	`mfrisch: Not really.`
`20:29.32`	`stoned`	`larsl, backup backup backup backup!`
`20:29.36`	`pumpkin0`	`larsl: i would check the cable and SMART-status first.`
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`20:29.47`	`larsl`	`pumpkin0: SMART?`
`20:29.56`	`larsl`	`stoned: I would if I could boot...`
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`20:30.02`	`stoned`	`larsl, ouch`
`20:30.03`	`Guerin`	PeterC: if you get `no such device' it means it's not supported by the kernel or the module isn't loaded; if it doesn't complasin go ahead and write an /etc/network/interfaces stanza for it
`20:30.27`	`Guerin`	`larsl: grub or lilo?`
`20:30.28`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: the error is when you mount different fs but some work? I mean using a rescue cd`
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`20:30.59`	`pumpkin0`	`larsl: a protocol to get an idea about the health status of a HD. look for smartctl or smartmontools`
`20:31.38`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, make sure smart is enabled for the drive in bios first`
`20:31.41`	`stoned`	`mfrisch, not you`
`20:31.43`	`PingFloyd`	`lol, backup doesn't do much good after the fact`
`20:31.45`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: It seems to work. It says 'eth1: no link during initialization.' but I figure this is because there is no network cable connected.`
`20:32.01`	`larsl`	`mfrisch: Yes, some filesystems are mountable.`
`20:32.02`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: yep, it's all go, set it up as you like.`
`20:32.02`	`PingFloyd`	`the idea is to do it before disaster strikes as a contingency`
`20:32.13`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: I have cat /dev/urandom >/dev/hdX and fixed similar problems`
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`20:32.29`	`larsl`	`mfrisch: Really? I thought it was a hardware problem.`
`20:32.31`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: before you just toss it`
`20:33.21`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: If I only want to use the nForce NIC. Is it sufficient to alter the eth0 with eth1 in the udev rule?`
`20:33.35`	`mfrisch`	`larsl: I have a six gb disk from 1998 and its working`
`20:34.06`	`PingFloyd`	`I have a 2.5GB from god knows how long ago working great`
`20:34.25`	`PingFloyd`	`must be like 15 years old or so`
`20:34.37`	`PingFloyd`	`somewhere around there`
`20:34.43`	`larsl`	`Is there any way to tell the Debian installer to just ignore a certain partition?`
`20:34.49`	`mfrisch`	`PingFloyd: so bad blocks may just be what the os perceives?`
`20:35.01`	`PingFloyd`	`mfrisch: it's possible`
`20:35.19`	`PingFloyd`	`really just need to be methodical about it`
`20:35.26`	`PingFloyd`	`to figure out what is really in fact going on`
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`20:36.42`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: i suppose so.`
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`20:37.08`	`PingFloyd`	`I've seen plenty of HDs diagnosed as bad when something else turned out to be what was really going on`
`20:37.16`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: i tend to put modules I want to control in /etc/modules, since I think those get loaded earier than udev`
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`20:38.19`	`HardDisk_WP`	`hi`
`20:38.21`	`mfrisch`	`PingFloyd: ignorant bliss`
`20:38.23`	`HardDisk_WP`	`locales is broken...`
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`20:38.44`	`stranger_stone`	`o0`
`20:38.46`	`stranger_stone`	`0o`
`20:38.59`	`HardDisk_WP`	`perl: warining: please check that your locale settings (...) are supported and installed on your system`
`20:39.04`	`HardDisk_WP`	`any way to fix that?`
`20:39.05`	`jetscreamer`	`dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data`
`20:39.15`	`stranger_stone`	`it works :) it works i it works it is alive :) o0 0o pufff :)`
`20:39.16`	`HardDisk_WP`	`jetscreamer, ok, i try consoledata`
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`20:39.26`	`jetscreamer`	`no try the line`
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`20:39.39`	`jetscreamer`	`cut&paste`
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`20:39.57`	`PeterC`	`Guerin: OK, I will test. Thanks for the great help!`
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`20:40.18`	`chris_abyi`	`hi!`
`20:40.38`	`HardDisk_WP`	`jetscreamer, dont work`
`20:40.52`	`jetscreamer`	`alas`
`20:40.57`	`chris_abyi`	`I'm planning to install some ftp Server on my debian machine - is there any program you could recommend? It should be user-friendly (some GUI would be cool) but also secure`
`20:41.09`	`jetscreamer`	`tftp?`
`20:41.18`	`jetscreamer`	`note the ?`
`20:41.28`	`jetscreamer`	`as in ymmv`
`20:41.37`	`PingFloyd`	`I never knew ftp and secure to go in the same sentence :)`
`20:41.44`	`stoned`	`sftp`
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`20:41.48`	`stoned`	`kinda secure`
`20:41.51`	`jetscreamer`	`ah s not tsowwy`
`20:41.54`	`mfrisch`	`chris_abyi: sftp`
`20:42.00`	`chris_abyi`	`PingFloyd: For sure, I speak of relativity`
`20:42.04`	`stoned`	`jetscreamer, you alright man?`
`20:42.15`	`chris_abyi`	`sftp .. fine`
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`20:42.25`	`PingFloyd`	`chris_abyi: lol, I was just going to say that I guess it's all relative`
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`20:42.57`	`TheOnly`	`guys I need some iptables help... I need to redirect incomming tcp requests from port 8080 to 192.168.44.128 (again port 8080) to serve the requests... although I'm not that bad at iptables that one made me crazy :>`
`20:42.57`	`HardDisk_WP`	`jetscreamer, didn't work :(`
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`20:43.18`	`mfrisch`	`chris_abyi: well thats openssh-server`
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`20:43.19`	`dazjorz`	`Hi`
`20:43.59`	`chris_abyi`	`PingFloyd: ffor sure, not only security is, but especially ;)`
`20:43.59`	`dazjorz`	`Is there a fixed date when etch will be frozen into the next stable already ?`
`20:43.59`	`Azar`	`dazjorz: no`
`20:43.59`	`dazjorz`	`oh, ok`
`20:44.03`	`jjazz`	`dazjorz: Mañana`
`20:44.34`	`Azar`	`and whomever came up with a "fix date" made a great mistake`
`20:44.39`	`jetscreamer`	`stoned: yeah i guess`
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`20:44.48`	`Trewas`	`isn't etch already frozen?`
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`20:44.51`	`stoned`	`jetscreamer, word man`
`20:44.57`	`Guerin`	`PeterC: enjoy.`
`20:45.06`	`mnuhmnuh`	`HardDisk_: did you log out and back in again?`
`20:45.06`	`Azar`	`Trewas: yes but is not ready yet`
`20:45.08`	`Guerin`	`yes, etch is frozen, but it's not stable yet.`
`20:45.12`	`dazjorz`	`jjazz: I think we both have different charsets....`
`20:45.18`	`HardDisk_WP`	`!etch?`
`20:45.18`	`dpkg`	`i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer`
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`20:45.29`	`Guerin`	`for instance, i'm pretty sure a new version of sysvinit is about to go in`
`20:45.33`	`dazjorz`	`jjazz: I see that as ~ A +/- instead of what I think should have been there, �`
`20:45.40`	`Guerin`	`since I filed a rc bug against it which has now been fixed ;)`
`20:45.41`	`dazjorz`	`or something else`
`20:45.53`	`PingFloyd`	`I swear I must be the only person on this earth that never cares how long something takes to get released`
`20:45.55`	`chris_abyi`	`mfrisch: is there a gui available for openssh-server?`
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`20:46.05`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: use utf-8`
`20:46.06`	`Trewas`	`I know it's not stable yet, and doesn't seem to be very deeply frozen for that matter, quite many updated packages still`
`20:46.15`	`jetscreamer`	`stoned: i seem to be less focused on computers, exactly, now, and more focused on 'now how the hell do i get me a house that i have to pay 1mil in taxes on like that guy over there'`
`20:46.15`	`Guerin`	`Trewas: yeh.`
`20:46.19`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: There's no way to configure that in my IRC client :(`
`20:46.24`	`PingFloyd`	`I could be on sarge for the next 4 years and be just as happy :)`
`20:46.39`	`sep`	`PingFloyd, me too`
`20:46.40`	`jetscreamer`	`but my bball career doesn't seem to work like his`
`20:46.40`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: you have my condolences for having such a shitty irc client ;)`
`20:46.44`	`stoned`	`jetscreamer, that time of your life eh... I still got a good few years before I get there`
`20:46.48`	`jjazz`	`dazjorz: Yes, the n with the tilde was intended. I saw yours, not sure why you didn't see mine.`
`20:46.56`	`mfrisch`	`chris_abyi: yes depending on your needs you could set up the server and have gui sftp clients connecting`
`20:46.57`	`TheOnly`	`well I'm pretty satisfied with etch rc1 (;`
`20:47.10`	`Azar`	`hey PingFloyd I got a great book recently: Understanding Unix/Linux Programming by Bruce Molay... really good for a beginner in linux like me`
`20:47.11`	`dazjorz`	`" Etch is now frozen! Wheeeeeee!!!"`
`20:47.12`	`stoned`	`s/of/in`
`20:47.27`	`dazjorz`	`jjazz: I think your IRC client is very foolproof`
`20:47.31`	`TheOnly`	`it even looks more stable than sarge :P (the usual debian stability proves once again :P)`
`20:47.31`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: cries`
`20:47.53`	`jjazz`	`dazjorz: Maybe irssi always does the right thing.`
`20:48.00`	`jetscreamer`	`of course computers theoretically could provide me with that`
`20:48.05`	`Guerin`	`eew, hydrairc`
`20:48.19`	`Azar`	`TheOnly: you are wrong, you ment to refer that Etch uses higher kernels with greater support for new hardware`
`20:48.32`	`stoned`	`jetscreamer, bball? Carreer? I'm curious`
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`20:48.58`	`TheOnly`	`Azar, well I compiled 2.6.19 on sarge so that doesn't make much difference actually...`
`20:49.11`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: I feel naked`
`20:49.18`	`stoned`	`jetscreamer, base/basket? bball usually refers to basketball but I don't want to assume`
`20:49.22`	`TheOnly`	`at least I found only a few minor bugs that I reported`
`20:49.22`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: that's because you're running windows.`
`20:49.33`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: Yeah`
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`20:49.42`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: It curses, right? Being in this channel on WIndows`
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`20:49.44`	`dazjorz`	`Windows**`
`20:49.49`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: My server runs Debian though.`
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`20:50.04`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: nah, you just earn our pity.`
`20:50.04`	`Guerin`	`!pity dazjorz`
`20:50.05`	`dpkg`	`I pity da fool dazjorz!`
`20:50.09`	`lindenle\|work`	`PingFloyd: I dont care either as long as it works`
`20:50.13`	`dazjorz`	`:-))`
`20:50.29`	`daft`	`but how long does it keep working`
`20:50.42`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: The market is too much windows-based`
`20:50.52`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: solution: exit the market.`
`20:50.56`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: Wine and Cedega still have problems`
`20:51.03`	`krazykit`	`bleh, cedega.`
`20:51.05`	`PingFloyd`	`dazjorz: that means your network is only partially ok`
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`20:51.14`	`Guerin`	dazjorz: `still'?
`20:51.26`	`BrianSteffens`	`is there any way to get around the 2 gb file size limit in samba? =/`
`20:51.26`	`andres__`	`I fail miserably to log on to my debian server using wu-ftpd. the shell for the user is not listed in /etc/shells. I'm getting "username and/or password was not accepted for login.". Can't find any log files that help me. where should I look?`
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`20:51.29`	`dazjorz`	`Guerin: They do and they always have, and they probably always will`
`20:51.37`	`mike-e`	`!repositories`
`20:51.39`	`M_Fatih`	`i can't force spin-down or park a external disc.. how can i do that?`
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`20:51.55`	`PingFloyd`	`It's only when you use windows that you cheat yourself out of really finding out how little you need it`
`20:51.58`	`Guerin`	`dazjorz: cedega will permanently have errors, since the moment they make a perfect version, they work themselves out of their business model.`
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`20:52.25`	`mfrisch`	`PingFloyd: its great for P0rn`
`20:52.25`	`Guerin`	`wine will always have more, because if it were to threaten cedega, the same thing would apply.`
`20:52.37`	`dazjorz`	`mfrisch: Linux is better for pr0n :P`
`20:52.54`	`dazjorz`	`I have had Linux on this machine more than once`
`20:52.56`	`Guerin`	`IRLix is best for pr0n`
`20:53.02`	`mfrisch`	`dazjorz: you can't rent ppv`
`20:53.15`	`TheOnly`	`can anyone give a shoulder with iptables?`
`20:53.28`	`Guerin`	`!wayttd TheOnly`
`20:53.28`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, TheOnly?`
`20:53.30`	`dazjorz`	`mfrisch: Nobody knows where "the history" is in Linux ;)`
`20:53.33`	`ElDiabolo`	`Yeah. There is pornview.`
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`20:53.50`	`BrianSteffens`	`no one knows how to get past the 2gb file size limit on smbfs?`
`20:54.05`	`ekix`	`triak, hi =)`
`20:54.18`	`TheOnly`	`i need to redirect incoming tcp connections on port 8080 to 192.168.44.128 (again port 8080) to handle the requests`
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`20:55.02`	`TheOnly`	`although I tried some combinations it ain't working`
`20:55.19`	`Guerin`	`TheOnly: #iptables is probably teh place for you`
`20:55.35`	`Guerin`	`i've never bothered to learn port forwarding, so I don't how how to do this`
`20:55.44`	`sys`	`I know a bit. what have you tried?`
`20:55.45`	`HardDisk_WP`	`!locales`
`20:55.45`	`dpkg`	Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles)
`20:55.48`	`abrotman`	`BrianSteffens: did you ask #samba ?`
`20:55.51`	`abrotman`	`HardDisk_WP: msg the bot`
`20:55.51`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly I have a simple one`
`20:55.55`	`TheOnly`	`m.. thank you. I didn't know such a channel existed (;`
`20:56.01`	`TheOnly`	`lindenle\|work, yes?`
`20:56.04`	`abrotman`	`BrianSteffens: i think in older versions of samba . that's the limit`
`20:56.06`	`Azar`	`TheOnly: a shoulder: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_iptables_sarge`
`20:56.09`	`BrianSteffens`	`abrotman: ty`
`20:56.22`	`PingFloyd`	`HardDisk_WP: also, maybe take a look at envars like LC_ALL`
`20:56.25`	`embrik`	`can't get mplayer to play sound, but kaffeine does. Anybody?`
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`20:56.38`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, a question: i have some big bug in locales (etch). every time i do something with apt-get i get perl:warning: check that your locale settings (...) are supported and installed`
`20:56.39`	`chris_abyi`	`thanks guys. bye`
`20:56.45`	`embrik`	`kaffeine uses xine, doesn't mplayer?`
`20:56.47`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, dpkg-reconfigure didnt help`
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`20:57.00`	`Guerin`	`embrik: god no`
`20:57.01`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, maybe it's interesting that LC_ALL=(unset)`
`20:57.05`	`abrotman`	`HardDisk_WP: so set it`
`20:57.08`	`mfrisch`	`embrik: mplayer may need to be set to alsa`
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`20:57.18`	`HardDisk_WP`	`abrotman, eh...how?`
`20:57.24`	`embrik`	`mfirsh: done that..`
`20:57.33`	`abrotman`	`LC_ALL=<whatever>`
`20:57.35`	`Guerin`	`embrik: mplayer is mplayer. What audio output is xine using? You can make mplayer use it with -ao (alsa\|oss\|badgers)`
`20:57.38`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: you get that?`
`20:57.46`	`PingFloyd`	`HardDisk_WP: export LC_ALL=<whatever you want>`
`20:58.00`	`Guerin`	`embrik: it may also be that kde is fucktardedly blocking the audio device with arts`
`20:58.00`	`TheOnly`	`lindenle\|work, yup I'll give it a try`
`20:58.01`	`mfrisch`	`badgers is the best`
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`20:58.10`	`krazykit`	`Guerin, hehe, badgers. those have the best sound quality.`
`20:58.12`	`ZagrebA`	`Hello, how can i forward all p2p traffic on eth1 to ppp0 ?`
`20:58.13`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: oh yeah WAN is the incoming ip`
`20:58.22`	`Guerin`	`krazykit: somewhate repetetive, though`
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`20:58.36`	`Guerin`	ZagrebA: iptables can't tell what is `p2p traffic'
`20:58.53`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: or interface I forget`
`20:59.11`	`TheOnly`	`i got it (;`
`20:59.16`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: k`
`20:59.20`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: gl`
`20:59.22`	`ZagrebA`	`Guerin: with iptables-p2p it can`
`20:59.51`	`Guerin`	`ZagrebA: not in debain. WHat is it?`
`20:59.56`	`ElDiabolo`	`HardDisk_WP: : But -ao arts should work, too.`
`21:00.02`	`HardDisk_WP`	`thx`
`21:00.15`	`ZagrebA`	`Guerin: yes it can.`
`21:00.34`	`Guerin`	`ZagrebA: no, i mean, it's not in debian. Not that it can't do it in debian.`
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`21:00.51`	`Guerin`	`i presume it's a bunch of iptables rules for p2p management, but cba looking it up`
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`21:01.18`	`pstickne`	`is there a good gui interface to octave or gnuplot?`
`21:01.31`	`TheOnly`	`m nope`
`21:01.40`	`TheOnly`	`it doesn't work`
`21:01.40`	`PingFloyd`	`pstickne: is there such a thing as a good gui interface`
`21:01.53`	`Guerin`	`PingFloyd: sugar!`
`21:01.59`	`pstickne`	`PingFloyd, hmm... is there decent interface?`
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`21:02.13`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: iptables rule?`
`21:02.18`	`pstickne`	`PingFloyd, I really don't want to learn an entirely new command-based system atm.`
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`21:03.05`	`TheOnly`	`input i guess`
`21:03.18`	`mfrisch`	`pstickne: what you visualizing?`
`21:03.48`	`pstickne`	`mfrisch, just some stupid graphs for my physics lab. OO charts are a joke.`
`21:03.50`	`lindenle\|work`	`TheOnly: yeah i have an input chain`
`21:04.27`	`mfrisch`	`pstickne: xmaxima won't work for that I don't think`
`21:04.38`	`pstickne`	`mfrisch, so I need to plot xy at the very least and I would like to also plot direct functions`
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`21:07.16`	`mfrisch`	`pstickne: I far from a mathmatian, but I believe you would create a txt file with xy and one for the functions and feed them to gnuplot. maxima is algebra, I think.`
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`21:08.26`	`pstickne`	`mfrisch, thanks, I'll give gnuplot another look after I get totally mad at this LabPlot`
`21:08.41`	`valdyn`	`pstickne: 'apt-cache search function plot' gives a few, not to much to read through`
`21:08.52`	`mfrisch`	`pstickne: there should be examples in the docs`
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`21:11.00`	`Nazcafan`	`hi`
`21:11.48`	`mfrisch`	`pstickne: xmaxima you just put the equation in the cli`
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`21:14.25`	`Azar`	`nice, I found this new package in "Debian package of the day" --- scli --- is really cool`
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`21:15.30`	`concept10`	`Azar, from the popularity contest?`
`21:15.53`	`Azar`	`concept10: no is a new debian website and waits for contributors to show off new packages..`
`21:15.57`	`mfrisch`	`Azar: whats it do?`
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`21:16.00`	`abrotman`	`from the debian package of the day .. he said`
`21:16.04`	`abrotman`	`!info scli sarge`
`21:16.06`	`Azar`	`I tried scli with my printer wow, rocks`
`21:16.14`	`dpkg`	`scli: (a collection of SNMP command line management tools), section net, is optional. Version: 0.2.12-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 724 kB`
`21:16.27`	`concept10`	`Azar, whats the site`
`21:16.32`	`PikAss`	`restart`
`21:16.45`	`abrotman`	`concept10: it changes every year :)`
`21:16.47`	`Azar`	`http://debaday.debian.net/`
`21:17.03`	`concept10`	`Azar, same as google :)`
`21:17.28`	`abrotman`	`Azar: only once a day ?`
`21:17.29`	`Azar`	`concept10: ? what google?`
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`21:17.41`	`Azar`	`abrotman: nooo I wish thousands/day :)`
`21:17.56`	`concept10`	`Azar, same result as google`
`21:17.57`	`abrotman`	`Azar: you're more than welcome to submit also .. .try a new package ..`
`21:17.58`	`Danielss89`	`how do i create a new file :S`
`21:17.59`	`Azar`	`cool to see/have debian-only gadgets`
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`21:18.02`	`Smecker`	`Does anyone know of any decent wiki and/or whitebord software that's useful in online meetings where the attendants are very much distributed around the country?`
`21:18.09`	`Smecker`	`I'm basically looking for something that would allow us to diagram real time and have everyone be able to view/interact with the diagram....`
`21:18.24`	`concept10`	`Azar, typing your name reminds me of VIM, Shift a, z`
`21:18.26`	`Azar`	`abrotman: I am not writing packages, not a dev :(`
`21:18.27`	`abrotman`	`Azar: you could write a feature on 'stripclub'`
`21:18.36`	`abrotman`	`Azar: so what .. you can still evaluate`
`21:18.46`	`Azar`	`concept10: hehe, well I got the site from Debian Weekly News announcements`
`21:19.01`	`Azar`	`abrotman: oh yes? nice I will then jump in`
`21:19.10`	`Azar`	`so far I only got htop and scli`
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`21:19.17`	`Azar`	`and they rock!`
`21:19.39`	`abrotman`	`!info stripclub sarge`
`21:19.39`	`ken_`	`yo`
`21:19.39`	`dpkg`	`stripclub: (Online Comic reader and archiver), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 168 kB`
`21:19.39`	`concept10`	`I want to know the name of the package that puts the Tux logo in the boot`
`21:19.39`	`ken_`	`quick question -- anyone have any experience with installing both the postfix and qmail packages simultaneously on debian ?`
`21:19.39`	`abrotman`	`framebuffers`
`21:19.40`	`Azar`	`stripclub huh..`
`21:19.40`	`Danielss89`	`how do i create a new file :S`
`21:19.42`	`abrotman`	`ken_: pick one or the other`
`21:20.07`	`Smecker`	`ken_: qmail, eh? Man... stay away from that thing if you can`
`21:20.07`	`concept10`	`abrotman, is there a specific package for this or do I have to dick around with something in grub?`
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`21:20.13`	`ken_`	`abrotman: can't do that -- have specific requirements for using vpopmail + Maildir directories for replicating satellite offices`
`21:20.14`	`abrotman`	`concept10: both!`
`21:20.23`	`Azar`	`concept10: you can put any pic/logo in the boot, I guess is in xinitrc ...`
`21:20.35`	`abrotman`	`ken_: uhm ... doesn't one do both ?`
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`21:20.38`	`ken_`	`Smecker: i definitely prefer postfix, but qmail has some good things about it`
`21:20.46`	`Smecker`	`ken_: Such as?`
`21:20.50`	`Guerin`	`no`
`21:20.56`	`Guerin`	`qmail is evil and wrong`
`21:20.59`	`ken_`	`abrotman: yes, but i want to use the mailscanner packages with Postfix as the front-end`
`21:21.11`	`abrotman`	`ken_: okay ... then you're bringing this on yourself .. ahve fun`
`21:21.21`	`concept10`	`I always see these old school linux installs with the tux in the boot but never got around to figuring out what it was`
`21:21.27`	`ken_`	`abrotman: i know -- that's why i'm asking if anyone else has done it`
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`21:21.39`	`abrotman`	`ken_: not likely .. because it's silly`
`21:21.42`	`mfrisch`	`ken_: is easy.`
`21:21.43`	`Smecker`	`Guerin: Not to mention mostly-umaintained with a configuration system that makes LESS sense then sendmail ;-)`
`21:21.48`	`Azar`	`concept10: I am sure you can customize the way the boot screen looks, just replace your current logo (I got the nvidia one) with your own using feh.. (I guess feh)`
`21:21.49`	`abrotman`	`qmail is a royal pain in the ass ..`
`21:21.51`	`ken_`	`abrotman: syncronizing maildir directories is really damn easy with unison ;)`
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`21:22.24`	`concept10`	`Azar, you use a nvidia logo? sheesh...`
`21:22.26`	`Guerin`	Smecker: it's the `triples spam by default' feature which I dislike most.
`21:22.41`	`Smecker`	`Guerin: yeah, that too`
`21:22.43`	`ken_`	`mfrisch: i've gotten debian to install both qmail and postfix simulatenously, but the problem is on doing any kind of apt or dpkg operation, it fails with conflict errors`
`21:22.46`	`Azar`	`concept10: I don't "use" it got there with the install or glx stuff... was too lazy to replace it`
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`21:23.14`	`mfrisch`	`ken_: purge qmail with dpkg`
`21:23.20`	`Azar`	`but you know, it only flashes for few seconds, then my bgimage takes place`
`21:23.21`	`Smecker`	`ken_ I'd suggest installing one via source and manage the other with dpkg`
`21:23.24`	`ken_`	`mfrisch: ok`
`21:23.35`	`abrotman`	`and then never ever use qmail again`
`21:23.40`	`concept10`	`I swear, there is enough stuff in the terminal to keep me busy for ages`
`21:23.40`	`Guerin`	`ken_: it needn't, if you set one up in /usr/local and one in /usr, and if you remove the conflicts: line`
`21:23.44`	`Smecker`	`Amen abrotman`
`21:23.49`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman: how he do that?`
`21:23.50`	`ken_`	`Smecker: yeah, i was going down that route, but i dunno ... it just makes more sense to go the package route`
`21:23.58`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: it's easy .. just don't install the garbage`
`21:24.26`	`ken_`	`Guerin: i tried removing the conflicts: line, but then the build-qmail thing gave me a crc checksum error`
`21:24.33`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman: no get postfix and qmail don't they both provide mts`
`21:24.37`	`mfrisch`	`mta`
`21:24.38`	`ken_`	`Guerin: so i changed the checksum, still no luck with compiling correctly`
`21:25.00`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: they do mostly the same job ... getting them to coexist is going to be an exercise in frustration`
`21:25.12`	`ken_`	`mfrisch: qmail and postfix both provide mail-transfer-agent or whatever the damn package conflict that's giving me the problem`
`21:25.31`	`Guerin`	`ken_: use upstream source with checkinstall or similar`
`21:25.35`	`ken_`	`abrotman: you're so right about that`
`21:25.39`	`Guerin`	`ken_: make sure you patch it for sanity's sake`
`21:25.41`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman: but I thought Debian stop them from coexisting`
`21:25.43`	`abrotman`	`ken_: then don't do it ...`
`21:25.46`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: debian will`
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`21:25.53`	`Guerin`	`ken_: or you could just edit the script to remove the checksum test`
`21:25.55`	`concept10`	`Azar, that package is called linuxlogo`
`21:26.09`	`ken_`	`abrotman: i would choose not to use it, if you have an idea about syncronizing potentially offline satellite offices`
`21:26.12`	`concept10`	`!info linuxlogo`
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`21:26.19`	`dpkg`	`linuxlogo: (Color ANSI System Logo), section misc, is extra. Version: 4.14-5 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 232 kB`
`21:26.28`	`ken_`	`abrotman: right now i use unison in a star pattern for all the offices`
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`21:26.58`	`ken_`	`abrotman: any ideas ?`
`21:27.02`	`abrotman`	`ken_: ever heard of IMAP ?`
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`21:27.36`	`ken_`	`abrotman: got a small company here, offices in the Philippines, US, and the UK, inet links are down often`
`21:27.45`	`abrotman`	`so?`
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`21:27.48`	`ken_`	`abrotman: we use imap, but i don't see how that answers syncing offices`
`21:27.49`	`encrypt`	`im facing a weird issue, im trying to block 200.0.0.0/8, 201.0.0.0/8 in iptables.. but this iptables is resolving the IP 201.0.0.0/8 to an host 201-0-0-0.dsl.telesp.net.br, so it makes my rule efectiveless.. anyway to fix it? how can i disable DNS resolving for iptables?`
`21:28.12`	`abrotman`	`imap has an offline mode`
`21:28.19`	`mfrisch`	`ken_: there down there down`
`21:28.20`	`Guerin`	`ken_: shared imap on a centralised server?`
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`21:28.49`	`ken_`	`Guerin: centralized doesn't work, as the a net connection isn't always possible`
`21:28.58`	`Guerin`	`ken_: mm.`
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`21:29.31`	`Guerin`	`well, I'd use offlineimap, but I suppose unison achieves the same thing`
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`21:29.45`	`ken_`	`Guerin: especially in asia in general, where typhoons will knock power off in some parts but not in others`
`21:29.53`	`Guerin`	`ken_: right.`
`21:29.55`	`ken_`	`Guerin: what's offlineimap ?`
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`21:30.23`	`Guerin`	`ken_: it's a set of scripts for syncing an imap dir to a local maildir`
`21:30.33`	`Guerin`	`ken_: i used it while on the road`
`21:30.45`	`ken_`	`Guerin: interesting ... can it handle virtual domains ?`
`21:31.20`	`Guerin`	`ken_: sure, it's just an imap client, if you have the server set up and feed it the right credentials, it can do anything. SSL/TLS, the works.`
`21:31.47`	`mfrisch`	`Guerin: like fetchmail?`
`21:31.49`	`ken_`	`Guerin: but then i'd have to set this up for all systems -- and what about non-linux boxes?`
`21:32.09`	`Guerin`	`ken_: it's python, I think, so in principle it works anywhere`
`21:32.14`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: yeah.`
`21:32.36`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: except fetchmail delivers via smtp, while offlineimap actually downloads to a local directory`
`21:32.59`	`ken_`	`Guerin: heh -- thanks man for the pointer, i found the website and all, but i really don't think that's going to work, asking the non-technical sales guys to be running that just isn't going to work -- making them use imap instead of exchange is a big enough issue as is`
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`21:33.18`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`21:33.28`	`abrotman`	`oh yeah .. postfix .. qmail .. exchange .. what fun`
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`21:33.58`	`mfrisch`	`domino!`
`21:34.00`	`Guerin`	`well, it's mostly automated, you could tie it into a desktop icon or a task which runs every n minutes if the network is up`
`21:34.54`	`ken_`	`Guerin: that is much more work than just setting up qmail and postfix on one server, and then just qmail on all the satellite servers ;)`
`21:35.04`	`Guerin`	`i disagree`
`21:35.11`	`mfrisch`	`ken_: fetchmail can run as a service`
`21:35.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`wow, FAT is not the fs for dvd authoring`
`21:35.16`	`Guerin`	`setting up ONE instance of qmail is bad enough`
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`21:35.22`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: NO SHIT`
`21:35.32`	`Guerin`	`fetchmail only does pop, iirc`
`21:35.40`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: my mom knows that .. jeez`
`21:35.41`	`Guerin`	`which makes it mostly irrelevant in this day and age`
`21:35.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: thanks for that... i think...`
`21:35.58`	`azeem`	`!w32codecs`
`21:35.59`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>.`
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`21:36.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i think more of a wtf is why the dvd spec even mandates that files must be uppercase`
`21:36.18`	`azeem`	`dpkg: w32codecs is also https://shop.fluendo.com/`
`21:36.19`	`dpkg`	`okay, azeem`
`21:36.24`	`marinosi`	`hello...how can i suspend to ram my laptop?i use etch`
`21:36.24`	`mfrisch`	`Guerin: it does alot more than that`
`21:36.42`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: yes, but it doesn't do imap.`
`21:37.09`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: aptitude install powersaved; then configure it`
`21:37.14`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: it's more about the file size`
`21:37.19`	`enouf`	`SerajewelKS: that's dvd video only, for the AUDIO/VIDEO_TS files`
`21:37.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`enouf: okay, that then`
`21:38.09`	`marinosi`	`Guerin, s2ram does anything?`
`21:38.30`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: yes, it suspends your computer to ram and puts it to sleep.`
`21:38.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: well i was referring to the filename case. at least on linux, creating a file in all uppercase means the fs module makes it lowercase, with the default mount options.`
`21:38.45`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: imo suspend-to-disk is more useful, but whatever you like`
`21:38.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: which makes no sense to me, but i guess the kernel hackers must be wiser than me. shrug`
`21:39.01`	`enouf`	`Create using iso9660 or udf FSs for dvd .. man mkisofs, growisofs, lsmod udf ..`
`21:39.16`	`ElDiabolo`	`By the way, does anybody to know which package the browser start page (localstart.html) has gone?`
`21:39.25`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: on why FAT can't use capital letters ?`
`21:39.38`	`marinosi`	`Guerin, suspend-to-disk = hibernate? it does not work for me...It fails to unload nvidia, the binary only module`
`21:39.38`	`Guerin`	`ElDiabolo: /msg dpkg search`
`21:39.53`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: sucks to use nvidia.`
`21:40.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: it can use them. but the vfat driver, unless passed some special option, creates a file with a name in all lowercase if you give it a name in all uppercase.`
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`21:40.07`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: you might need to kill x to make it work, which might defeat the purpose.`
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`21:40.27`	`marinosi`	`Guerin, you do not use nvidia?`
`21:40.27`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: DOS doens't know abougt capital letters`
`21:40.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: foobaR is created as foobaR. FOOBAR is created as foobar.`
`21:40.29`	`Azar`	`Guerin: I want that new open-source video card like.... yesterday`
`21:40.31`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: hell no.`
`21:40.38`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: IIRC anyways`
`21:40.44`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: maybe that's FAT12`
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`21:40.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: it's anything pre-long-filenames`
`21:41.03`	`abrotman`	`file size!`
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`21:41.08`	`marinosi`	`Guerin, should i use nv driver instead ?i have wmii`
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`21:41.22`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: yes the 4gb limit would have killed me were this movie not 1:20`
`21:41.47`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: if you don't need 3d, use the nv driver. You can even set up different x profiles if you need 3d for some things and not for others.`
`21:41.55`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: maybe it's got Extras!`
`21:42.01`	`jjazz`	`I have an old Dell Inspiron with 128Mb of RAM. It's an 800MHz machine that runs Firefox very slowly. If I can make the thing faster, I might be able to convert a win user who just wants it for browsing. What are the first things I should look to in trying to speed it up? And how can I tell if upgrading the RAM will help? Thanks.`
`21:42.15`	`Azar`	`OGD1 the new "upcoming" Open Graphics Card !!!! http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=OGPN17&PHPSESSID=6f20d501db8bf28bd30dfbfdbd2f0813`
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`21:42.29`	`mfrisch`	`jjazz: yes ram`
`21:42.34`	`IloveMyPuppy`	`jjazz, upgrading the ram will help out, but its still going to be slow`
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`21:42.39`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: how much ram does it have at present?`
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`21:42.46`	`jelly-home`	`oh never mind`
`21:42.51`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: 128Mb`
`21:42.55`	`Guerin`	`nah, 800mhz is plenty`
`21:42.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: nah, just one title`
`21:43.01`	`jjazz`	`IloveMyPuppy: It just has to browse.`
`21:43.03`	`Guerin`	`a ram upgrade to 256 will be fine`
`21:43.20`	`IloveMyPuppy`	`jjazz, go to 512 and pray to the computer gods`
`21:43.24`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: it will help :)`
`21:43.35`	`jjazz`	`She wants to run a Citrix in Firefox to remote in to work. Anybody know if the Citrix plugin is a memory hog?`
`21:43.36`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: cut ram usage on everything else, for starters. No fancy desktop environments.`
`21:43.42`	`rhsanborn`	`Do you CLI guys use color terminals, or do you open terminals within X?`
`21:43.43`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: It runs fluxbox`
`21:43.44`	`Guerin`	`jjazz: bound to be`
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`21:44.00`	`tarzeau`	`jjazz: it's not availablefor all machines that debian supports`
`21:44.02`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: that's ok I guess`
`21:44.06`	`IloveMyPuppy`	`rhsanborn, my gentoo terminals are nice and colorful...`
`21:44.07`	`Guerin`	`rhsanborn: i use urxvt with ls --colour=auto`
`21:44.11`	`Azar`	`rshakin: you can configure your environment to have color text in cli`
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`21:44.29`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: MORE RAM!`
`21:44.31`	`Guerin`	`colourful terminals FTW`
`21:44.41`	`rhsanborn`	`Guerin, nice`
`21:44.43`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: I've ran Opera _and_ Firefox on P3/500 with 320MB and it was usable.`
`21:44.43`	`jjazz`	`tarzeau: Citrix has binaries, which I thought would get used. Are there free software versions in the repos?`
`21:44.48`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: even an extra 128MB would help a lot`
`21:44.53`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: That's what I want to hear. Thanks.`
`21:45.02`	`Azar`	`tarzeau!!! yay tarzeau welcome back!!! I got new games`
`21:45.05`	`Guerin`	`yeh, the cpu is fine, it's the ram which needs fixed`
`21:45.07`	`tarzeau`	`jjazz: no way, citrix sucks`
`21:45.11`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: you can use me with 320MB of RAM anytime ...`
`21:45.13`	`tarzeau`	`Azar: which?`
`21:45.24`	`zenwryly`	`I want to know what font and size of font my xterms are using. They look just perfect to me and I want to use the specification in my emacs. How can I find out what font and size it's using?`
`21:45.38`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: do you have a sodimm socket? :-)`
`21:45.46`	`Guerin`	`zenwryly: look at your .xresources file`
`21:46.07`	`Vivien`	`windows xp is the best OS in the universe`
`21:46.11`	`Azar`	`tarzeau: tome, liquidwar, Neverball, NeverPutt, moagg`
`21:46.25`	`tarzeau`	`Azar: but they're all in debian already,...`
`21:46.26`	`zenwryly`	`Guerin: no such beast`
`21:46.27`	`Azar`	`tehee!`
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`21:46.31`	`Guerin`	zenwryly: the default font is, I believe, `fixed' and i have in .emacs: ;; fixed is the only sane font
`21:46.32`	`jjazz`	`Thanks all. I'm going to price the RAM upgrade. If this works, I get her old win box to turn into a debian install. :)`
`21:46.34`	`Guerin`	`(set-default-font "fixed")`
`21:46.39`	`Azar`	`tarzeau: yep but I never checked them out`
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`21:47.02`	`zenwryly`	`Guerin: Ok, I'll try that`
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`21:47.12`	`mfrisch`	`jjazz: 128 should be almost free`
`21:47.12`	`Guerin`	`zenwryly: you can be more specific than that, but that's the xterm default, iirc`
`21:47.22`	`Azar`	`tarzeau: did you know about the new website : Debian Package of the Day?`
`21:47.27`	`tarzeau`	`Azar: i'm trying http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Fly%20Hard`
`21:47.33`	`marinosi`	`ok...I used the nv driver instead but hibernate or s2disk fail..the second command gives marinosi@lucifer:~$ sudo s2disk`
`21:47.34`	`marinosi`	`suspend: Could not stat the resume device file`
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`21:47.36`	`marinosi`	`any ideas?`
`21:47.36`	`jjazz`	`mfrisch: Pardon? I'm not sure what you mean.`
`21:47.39`	`tarzeau`	`Azar: i heard of it several times, what's the url?`
`21:47.43`	`zenwryly`	`Guerin: know hos I can find out what font size the xterm is using?`
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`21:48.09`	`Azar`	`http://debaday.debian.net/`
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`21:48.20`	`mfrisch`	`jjazz: is p133 p100 128 I think even I have one just laying around`
`21:48.39`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: i use suspend2; you need to rebuild the kernel for it, since it's not in mainline. I don't know how to make any other suspend routines work but I hear you can get them running with acpi-tools or something`
`21:48.43`	`Azar`	`tarzeau: maybe you got something to show off there too...`
`21:48.47`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: price? .. you can probably find someone to give you a 128MB PC133 DIMM`
`21:49.05`	`tarzeau`	`Azar: doesn't have much readers. i prefer dwn`
`21:49.10`	`ken_`	`HAH !`
`21:49.15`	`ken_`	`got qmail + postfix from the binaries to work`
`21:49.17`	`ken_`	`bitches !`
`21:49.19`	`Azar`	`tarzeau: because is new and few know about it`
`21:49.26`	`ken_`	`no damn conflicts either`
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`21:49.36`	`Azar`	`!beer ken_`
`21:49.37`	`Guerin`	`zenwryly: xrdb -query might do it`
`21:49.51`	`Guerin`	`!pity ken_`
`21:49.51`	`dpkg`	`I pity da fool ken_!`
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`21:49.52`	`zenwryly`	`Guerin: ok, I'll try that, thanks`
`21:49.55`	`jjazz`	`mfrisch, abrotman: Ah, got it. That's good advice.`
`21:50.11`	`jjazz`	`The thing has two 64MB sticks right now.`
`21:50.22`	`Azar`	`Guerin I guess you ment spank ken_ with a yardstick for farting in class`
`21:50.37`	`Guerin`	`!spank Azar`
`21:50.42`	`zenwryly`	`Guerin: hmm, that only says "*customization: -color"`
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`21:50.43`	`Azar`	`:)`
`21:50.43`	`ken_`	`you're all just jealous`
`21:50.50`	`mfrisch`	`jjazz: then if its two slots use one 256`
`21:50.51`	`Azar`	`ken_ Guerin is`
`21:51.02`	`jjazz`	`mfrisch: Yup. Got it.`
`21:51.11`	`Guerin`	`ken_: yeah ... jealous about having to maintain a dozen qmail installations. Hey, at least you guarantee yourself a job for life ...`
`21:51.27`	`ken_`	`Guerin: heh`
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`21:51.37`	`ken_`	`Guerin: definitely not so, maildir -- open standard baby ...`
`21:51.42`	`Azar`	`Guerin: "success allways comes from hard work"`
`21:51.50`	`Guerin`	`ken_: and that's the only open part about it`
`21:51.55`	`Guerin`	except `relay'
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`21:52.15`	`speyer`	`hi all`
`21:52.16`	`speyer`	`!sound`
`21:52.17`	`dpkg`	`well, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard`
`21:52.17`	`ken_`	`Guerin: why you gotta hate ?`
`21:52.20`	`thomas_bayes`	`hi there`
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`21:52.34`	`Guerin`	`ken_: i used qmail, back in the days when Iknew no better.`
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`21:52.43`	`Guerin`	`Azar: http://aspzone.com/blogs/john/archive/2005/01/18/962.aspx`
`21:52.45`	`Azar`	`ken_ , he does not hate, he is just an incurable pessimist`
`21:52.53`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: test the sodimms, if you can, before paying for them - some pc133 so-dimms might not work in some P3 machines.`
`21:52.56`	`thomas_bayes`	`my "D" key has stopped working in bash/terminal`
`21:53.09`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: Good advice.`
`21:53.11`	`ken_`	`Guerin: my solution is clean, uses packages from the archives, and is easily maintainable`
`21:53.23`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: the pc100 ones should work everywhere I think.`
`21:53.34`	`Guerin`	ken_: no, it's not. qmail isn't `easily maintainable' or `clean'. That's the problem.
`21:53.47`	`jjazz`	`jelly-home: I'm not sure the thing will take pc133. Stores seem to recommend pc100 for this model laptop.`
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`21:53.52`	`ken_`	`Guerin: all i have now is on the master server, it does a unison sync every 8 minutes, and pushes/pulls new mail from the sattellite offices' servers`
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`21:54.16`	`scruffy`	`thomas_bayes: that certainly is interesting. it works in other applications?`
`21:54.24`	`ElDiabolo`	`jjazz: Where are you. Do you need SODIMMs?`
`21:54.26`	`mfrisch`	`jjazz: my router is a gx1 dell it will take 133`
`21:54.27`	`Azar`	`Guerin, omg that is soo cool, I am forwarding it to my boss _right now_ !`
`21:54.33`	`jelly-home`	`jjazz: yeah, that was the case with my old Compaq Armada E500 too.`
`21:54.38`	`jjazz`	`ElDiabolo: I'm in NYC`
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`21:54.50`	`marinosi`	`Guerin, do you know if suspend2 is part of the kernel that debian etch has or have i to patch it?`
`21:54.53`	`H2S04`	`Manhattan ? :-p`
`21:54.56`	`thomas_bayes`	`scruffy, yes it seems to work in all other applications`
`21:55.01`	`jjazz`	`H2S04: Manhattan and Brooklyn`
`21:55.27`	`H2S04`	`Apartments in Manhattan are stupid :-p`
`21:55.30`	`ElDiabolo`	`jjazz: Too bad, I've got 128 SODIMMs, I'm in the cologne area.`
`21:55.36`	`H2S04`	`like 3,000 a month for a closet`
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`21:55.46`	`jjazz`	`ElDiabolo: Ah. It's ok. They're cheap on ebay`
`21:55.49`	`speyer`	`Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory)`
`21:55.49`	`Guerin`	`marinosi: you have to patch, sadly. But it's easy, it patches clean and builds and works perfectly.`
`21:55.49`	`scruffy`	`thomas_bayes: other keys beside D (d?) work in an xterm though?`
`21:55.52`	`jjazz`	`H2S04: I have 1600 sq ft`
`21:55.53`	`thomas_bayes`	`- and if I try to paste a something with a "d" in the terminal, it is removed`
`21:56.07`	`H2S04`	`eh that not too bad`
`21:56.08`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: send an email to stew .. he owes you for those tix :)`
`21:56.13`	`simonrvn`	`your control key is stuck? :)`
`21:56.15`	`H2S04`	`still small`
`21:56.18`	`jelly-home`	`thomas_bayes: all other keys work? u, c?`
`21:56.21`	`speyer`	`i just finish with apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and also did alsaconf and still no sound :(`
`21:56.21`	`thomas_bayes`	`scruffy: no only "d"`
`21:56.22`	`jjazz`	`abrotman: Heh. I forgot about those. :)`
`21:56.22`	`seriouslycgi`	`just out of interest, how much do you pay for broadband in usa? and what speeds do you get for that? i was looking at verizons website (not sure if verizon is good or not) and the prices seem expensive and speeds are slow? im not soliciting just having a conversation in a forum about nz prices`
`21:56.31`	`H2S04`	`but if it sjust you and no g/f should be fine`
`21:56.32`	`H2S04`	`:-p`
`21:56.33`	`scruffy`	`simonrvn: hehe`
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`21:56.46`	`H2S04`	`I know a guy who lived in 750 with his g/f :-p`
`21:56.50`	`scruffy`	`thomas_bayes: see simonrvn's question`
`21:57.03`	`jjazz`	`H2S04: I know a guy that lives in 600 with his gf and THREE KIDS`
`21:57.15`	`rumpl`	`750? 600?`
`21:57.21`	`simonrvn`	`more of a statement in the form of a question ;)`
`21:57.21`	`Guerin`	`seriouslycgi: NZ broadband prices? GIve me a fucking break, they're appalling.`
`21:57.21`	`jjazz`	`rumpl: sq ft`
`21:57.39`	`jjazz`	`H2S04: And they're fat.`
`21:58.11`	`ElDiabolo`	`speyer: Does aplay file.wav work?`
`21:58.37`	`Azar`	`hey honorable scruffy, nice to see you back... so where could I dig more about Debian's "menu" ?`
`21:58.37`	`jelly-home`	`H2S04: 750 sq ft (70 m^2) would work here for a small family (1-2 small kids)`
`21:58.43`	`ElDiabolo`	`Those young people are really too fast for elderly people.`
`21:58.46`	`RhastaW`	Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 657: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!
`21:58.50`	`seriouslycgi`	`dsl on verzion Guerin: 19.99USD for 768kb/s`
`21:58.52`	`RhastaW`	`anyone know wtf that means :p`
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`21:58.57`	`thomas_bayes`	`simonrvn: I don't understand your question`
`21:59.10`	`speyer`	`how do i get rid of this error Failed to start Volume Control ?`
`21:59.14`	`Guerin`	`seriouslycgi: yeh, that's about NZ$30, but it's UNLIMITED`
`21:59.14`	`H2S04`	`Manhattan was fun last time I was there :-p`
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`21:59.25`	`simonrvn`	`was saying that one of your control keys might be stuck`
`21:59.28`	`Guerin`	`seriouslycgi: not like telescum's fake-ass unlimited plans`
`21:59.35`	`scruffy`	`Azar: hi! you mean the menu system? check out /usr/share/doc/menu/html`
`21:59.43`	`ken_`	`HAHAH my mailscanner / postfix front-end and qmail/vpopmail backend works`
`21:59.44`	`simonrvn`	`there's no clearer way of saying that`
`21:59.46`	`ken_`	`sweet`
`21:59.48`	`Azar`	`scruffy: thanks I'm off there to check it out`
`21:59.50`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: kwe kwe`
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`22:00.06`	`seriouslycgi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:00.09`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: kia ora bro, have you been out in the world?`
`22:00.28`	`simonrvn`	`not much, but been good`
`22:00.49`	`Guerin`	`i need to go to the damn beach`
`22:00.53`	`speyer`	`can please someone help me getting sound to work ?`
`22:00.56`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: and you? how's life treating you?`
`22:00.58`	`mfrisch`	`ken_: ok I use dovecot cool`
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`22:01.27`	`speyer`	`i just installed alsa and configuret it and i still have no sound i followed the guide from debian site ..`
`22:01.38`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: a'ight. You guys sure knew what you were doing when you invented those canoes, I spend christmas->NY in one going down a river.`
`22:01.54`	`simonrvn`	`woot woot`
`22:01.59`	`simonrvn`	`ty ty`
`22:02.02`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: three people and 8 days' worth of gear in a boat two people can carry is superb efficiency`
`22:02.08`	`karsten`	`What's a good scripting channel for csh / tcsh ( not #bash)?`
`22:02.12`	`simonrvn`	`yes it is`
`22:02.32`	`simonrvn`	`karsten: zsh?`
`22:02.38`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: there were some canadians there with a hand-made cedar canoe, too`
`22:02.40`	`mfrisch`	`in nyc?`
`22:02.52`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: ooh nice`
`22:02.55`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: they take it all around the world going down rivers wherever`
`22:02.57`	`jelly-home`	`karsten: I don't know of one, why do you need it?`
`22:03.08`	`thomas_bayes`	`my Ctrl keys works`
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`22:03.24`	`simonrvn`	`thomas_bayes: try 'reset'`
`22:03.24`	`ft`	`karsten: scripting in csh is never a good idea.`
`22:03.34`	`Guerin`	`!pity karsten`
`22:03.34`	`dpkg`	`I pity da fool karsten!`
`22:03.45`	`karsten`	`ft: Thanks, I know that.`
`22:03.51`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: i love canoeing`
`22:04.00`	`Guerin`	`yeh, it's awesome`
`22:04.04`	`simonrvn`	`used to do a lot of it as a teenager`
`22:04.08`	`thomas_bayes`	`"reset" doesn't help`
`22:04.11`	`Guerin`	`i hadn't done any since I was a kid, but picked it right back up again`
`22:04.20`	`speyer`	`!repositories`
`22:04.29`	`mfrisch`	`cabrewing`
`22:04.33`	`karsten`	`ft: 1300+ hosts, 5 OSs, six architectures, 1300+ hosts, 6000+ users, and twenty years of legacy.`
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`22:04.40`	`ft`	`karsten: well, good luck then.`
`22:04.42`	`karsten`	`ft: My hands are somewhat tied.`
`22:04.45`	`speyer`	`do i need to add extra repositories in debian to be able to install all packages available ?`
`22:04.49`	`speyer`	`like lame ?`
`22:05.10`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: yes, mpeg encoders aren't in debian for patent reasons`
`22:05.15`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`22:05.15`	`Guerin`	`speyer:`
`22:05.15`	`quintin`	`Where can I get an SSL cert signed for cheap?`
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`22:05.27`	`Guerin`	`speyer: /msg dpkg rarewares; see debian-multimedia.org`
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`22:05.36`	`katabatic`	`can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?`
`22:05.38`	`Guerin`	`quintin: make your own for free`
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`22:05.46`	`quintin`	`Guerin: I want it signed by an authority, duh`
`22:06.03`	`speyer`	`Guerin looks like alsa olso aint working in debian :(`
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`22:06.14`	`Guerin`	`quintin: then you need to check which authorities are included by default in common browsers and ask one of them, because otherwise it ain't no different.`
`22:06.26`	`Guerin`	`speyer: alsa works fine in debian, I'm using it right now`
`22:06.35`	`mfrisch`	`quintin: I'll sign one for 20`
`22:06.40`	`rhsanborn`	`One more thing. When in the terminal, it randomly displays general messages (looks like networking messages). Is there a command to turn these off?`
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`22:07.37`	`speyer`	`Guerin well not here :(`
`22:07.37`	`Guerin`	`rhsanborn: /msg dpkg klogd`
`22:07.38`	`rhsanborn`	`thanks`
`22:07.38`	`Guerin`	`speyer: /msg dpkg audio`
`22:07.38`	`speyer`	`Guerin when i click the volume icon on my panel i get error Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory)`
`22:07.38`	`aMoRPHeouS`	`Hi, I'm using a Debian DVD and it boots into the installer fine, but it's not detecting the DVD during the IDE detection. Is there a fix to this?`
`22:07.38`	`quintin`	`mfrisch: I can have a friend sign it for free :P I awnt it signed by an authority`
`22:07.38`	`lech`	`hmmm, in order to get mysql up and running which exact apt-get package do i need? mysql-server?`
`22:07.45`	`rhsanborn`	`Guerin, thanks`
`22:07.46`	`Guerin`	`speyer: aptitude install gnome-volume-control`
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`22:08.03`	`mfrisch`	`quintin: and there is a reason right?`
`22:08.09`	`Guerin`	`quintin: i already told you: check the default certs.`
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`22:08.27`	`speyer`	`Guerin that comand will remove packages from my machine`
`22:08.29`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: because he doesn't want browsers to complain about his cert being signed by an unknown authority, duh.`
`22:08.43`	`speyer`	`Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome-volume-control"`
`22:08.56`	`jjazz`	`simonrvn: Are you a recognized signing authority?`
`22:09.01`	`Guerin`	`speyer: /msg dpkg search; find the one which contains that`
`22:09.05`	`simonrvn`	`no, and i don't care`
`22:09.07`	`mfrisch`	`Guerin: all mine do that ;=0 I guess I'm insecure`
`22:09.10`	`Guerin`	`jjazz: i recognise him`
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`22:09.19`	`simonrvn`	`jjazz: that, btw, is a scam`
`22:09.20`	`quintin`	`mfrisch: quiet now, kthnx`
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`22:09.41`	`lech`	`anyone? mysql?`
`22:09.44`	`quintin`	`I don't want web browser to say "zomg not recognized signing authority" or what have you`
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`22:09.45`	`jjazz`	`simonrvn: Some clients complain about self-signed certs.`
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`22:10.02`	`Guerin`	`it depends what you want: if you want encryption, sign your own certs. If you want trustability, get someone trustable to sign them.`
`22:10.12`	`Guerin`	`jjazz: all clients.`
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`22:10.23`	`speyer`	`Guerin how do i get the public key for RareWares ?`
`22:10.25`	`jjazz`	`Right`
`22:10.32`	`Guerin`	`quintin: but you have your answer already.`
`22:10.37`	`mfrisch`	`is there a free signing authority?`
`22:10.38`	`Guerin`	`speyer: it's on the site.`
`22:10.49`	`simonrvn`	`because certain companies have pushed to have their ca certs included by default in certain browsers, they are called "recognised".`
`22:10.52`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: yes, plenty. Hundreds. Me, for instance.`
`22:10.53`	`speyer`	`i couldnt find it ;(`
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`22:11.01`	`Kuko`	`hello for a lvm made on debian if i wanted to resize it where would the volumes be located?`
`22:11.07`	`jjazz`	`simonrvn: Yes, that's the definition of recognised. The recognition they refer to is that inclusion.`
`22:11.10`	`katabatic`	`can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?`
`22:11.28`	`Kuko`	`i want to add onto /opt but i dont know how i know the command would be lvm lvextend -l +100M /path but i dont know the path`
`22:11.29`	`Guerin`	`katabatic: aptitude install toshset`
`22:11.42`	`katabatic`	`no work`
`22:11.46`	`speyer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:11.48`	`simonrvn`	`yes, and that's why i call it a scam. a self-seigned cert can encrypt just as well or better than a 'recognised' one`
`22:12.02`	`Guerin`	`speyer: it is DEFINITELY on the fucking site.`
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`22:12.17`	`Kuko`	`anyone?`
`22:12.24`	`Guerin`	`katabatic: if it doesn't work, maybe you need to offer it more annual leave`
`22:12.29`	`mfrisch`	`Guerin: and who's to say the ones you pay for are more secure`
`22:12.29`	`Guerin`	`!anyone`
`22:12.30`	`jjazz`	`simonrvn: id validation isn't just encryption`
`22:12.30`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`22:12.33`	`simonrvn`	`full 128 encryption`
`22:12.47`	`Guerin`	`mfrisch: nobody does. They just seem more secure to j. random eejit.`
`22:12.47`	`Kuko`	`i asked the question so that is irelevent`
`22:12.49`	`simonrvn`	`jjazz: it's what counts in the end`
`22:12.50`	`katabatic`	`Guerin, what?`
`22:13.00`	`jjazz`	`simonrvn: Usually.`
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`22:13.07`	`Guerin`	`Kuko: the point is to be patient`
`22:13.12`	`junix\|work`	`how do i redo my postfix setup?`
`22:13.21`	`speyer`	`Guerin i dont see any . would you please give me the link ?`
`22:13.23`	`Guerin`	`junix\|work: edit /etc/postfix/*.cf`
`22:13.26`	`Seveas-`	`DCC SEND startkeylogger31337lol`
`22:13.29`	`thomas_bayes`	`regarding not working "d" key in bach, I fund out that I had made an error inputrc`
`22:13.40`	`Guerin`	`speyer: no, because I don't know where it is either, and cba looking.`
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`22:13.44`	`jelly-home`	`!ops Seveas- dcc send buggery`
`22:13.45`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly-home complains about: Seveas- dcc send buggery`
`22:13.47`	`junix\|work`	`Guerin: i awnt to do it through apt-get`
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`22:13.53`	`*** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ`
`22:13.53`	`Seveas-`	`DCC SEND startkeylogger31337lol`
`22:13.55`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, that was one of the paths i would've taken`
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`22:14.02`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@cpe-024-167-156-095.triad.res.rr.com] by mentor`
`22:14.02`	`*** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ`
`22:14.02`	`*** kick/#debian [Seveas-!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor)`
`22:14.03`	`*** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem`
`22:14.04`	`*** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ`
`22:14.07`	`speyer`	`Guerin i searched the whole site for the key :(`
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`22:14.11`	`Guerin`	`pwnt`
`22:14.14`	`lech`	`hahaha`
`22:14.15`	`simonrvn`	`0wnage`
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`22:14.17`	`Guerin`	`speyer: email the site admin.`
`22:14.22`	`Ny-Ty`	`;]`
`22:14.23`	`junix\|work`	`HomeRoey: you there?`
`22:14.35`	`Guerin`	`junix\|work: dpkg-reconfigure postfix?`
`22:14.39`	`junix\|work`	`thanks you`
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`22:14.55`	`Guerin`	`junix\|work: i'm not sure if that'll work, but still...`
`22:14.58`	`Kuko`	`is anyone here willing to help me resize a logical volume. The file system is JFS`
`22:15.02`	`katabatic`	`somebody say my name`
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`22:15.33`	`rahul`	`Kuko: why are you using JFS??`
`22:15.39`	`jelly-home`	`katabatic: why?`
`22:15.45`	`abrotman`	`rahul: there are worse choices`
`22:15.45`	`simonrvn`	`more efficient than xfs`
`22:15.54`	`rahul`	`Kuko: it's not meant to be used for normal FS usage`
`22:15.58`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: how so?`
`22:16.08`	`simonrvn`	`xfs has more cpu overhead`
`22:16.09`	`rahul`	`abrotman: like umsdos? :P`
`22:16.15`	`abrotman`	`rahul: like reiser?`
`22:16.24`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: than the unoptimized JFS code?`
`22:16.33`	`simonrvn`	`i know, i've used it a while`
`22:16.36`	`Guerin`	`jfs is very cpu-lean`
`22:16.46`	`Kuko`	`-_- this isnt answering my question lol`
`22:16.47`	`RhastaW`	`reiser murders the competition`
`22:17.02`	`simonrvn`	`using both, and the jfs partitions are more efficient`
`22:17.05`	`jelly-home`	`RhastaW: BAD PUN`
`22:17.06`	`Guerin`	`RhastaW: in fairness, Nina wasn't an ext3 dev`
`22:17.10`	`RhastaW`	`;p`
`22:17.11`	`rahul`	`I guess if you're using IDE, CPU usage of your FS is an issue, because then disk access and FS calls are competing`
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`22:17.29`	`simonrvn`	`even on scsi it's noticable, on older h/w`
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`22:18.04`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: eh, I wouldn't use anything but ext2 on older hardware`
`22:18.06`	`simonrvn`	`Kuko: it's very easy, actually. i barely knew how to do it, and read a bit, and resized a couple`
`22:18.08`	`speyer`	`Guerin and what about : Couldn't find package gnome-volume-control ?`
`22:18.20`	`simonrvn`	`Kuko: lvm, right?`
`22:18.22`	`Kuko`	`simonrvn: could you help me possibley i couldnt figure it out and ive been reading for a bit`
`22:18.25`	`Kuko`	`yeah`
`22:18.26`	`simonrvn`	`rahul: that's you ;)`
`22:18.27`	`Kuko`	`I wanna resize /opt`
`22:18.29`	`Kuko`	`lvm`
`22:18.39`	`abrotman`	`i thought jfs could only grow`
`22:18.44`	`Guerin`	`speyer: it might be called something else. Search for gnome-volume or something`
`22:18.47`	`simonrvn`	`yes, only grow`
`22:18.53`	`Kuko`	`yeah i wanna make it bigger`
`22:18.54`	`Kuko`	`by 100m`
`22:19.02`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`22:19.02`	`simonrvn`	`add 100m to the lv`
`22:19.05`	`mfrisch`	`hp has lvm what kernel do they use ?`
`22:19.08`	`Guerin`	`what's the point?>`
`22:19.36`	`Kuko`	`Guerin: i put stuff in there`
`22:19.38`	`Kuko`	`Anyways`
`22:19.39`	`simonrvn`	`lvchange --help`
`22:19.44`	`simonrvn`	`that simple`
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`22:20.10`	`simonrvn`	`i even have lvm root`
`22:20.11`	`Kuko`	`umm`
`22:20.19`	`Kuko`	`hmm`
`22:20.23`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: i don't trust lvm`
`22:20.31`	`jelly-home`	`simonrvn: does grub or lilo know to boot from lvm?`
`22:20.37`	`simonrvn`	`i don't, combined with xfs`
`22:20.43`	`simonrvn`	`grub does`
`22:20.45`	`Kuko`	`simonrvn: can i pm you please`
`22:20.50`	`Kuko`	`This is just confusing the hell out of me -_-`
`22:20.55`	`simonrvn`	`depends what it is`
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`22:21.36`	`ma3x`	`how do I update postfix aliases?`
`22:21.37`	`simonrvn`	`basically, id the lv in the group you wanna change, and add to it`
`22:21.48`	`jelly-home`	`<Kuko> i want to add onto /opt but i dont know how i know the command would be lvm lvextend -l +100M /path but i dont know the path`
`22:21.48`	`Kuko`	`yes but i dont know how lol`
`22:21.53`	`Guerin`	`ma3x: edit /etc/postix/main.cf`
`22:22.00`	`Guerin`	`ma3x: or similar`
`22:22.04`	`Kuko`	`thx jelly-home`
`22:22.12`	`ma3x`	`Guerin: I edited /etc/aliases but now how do I update it?`
`22:22.21`	`jelly-home`	`simonrvn: there's your question, the path to the volume`
`22:22.21`	`Guerin`	`ma3x: restart postfix?`
`22:22.39`	`simonrvn`	`lvresize -L+3G /dev/system/homelv`
`22:22.51`	`simonrvn`	`lucky i still had one of the commands in my shell history`
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`22:23.42`	`Kuko`	`unk how the`
`22:23.58`	`simonrvn`	`gotta change it for your attributes, of course`
`22:24.03`	`Kuko`	`Yeah i know`
`22:24.03`	`mirak`	`how do I proceed to have a module getting parameters ?`
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`22:24.13`	`Kuko`	`But i apparently have hda hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 hda5`
`22:24.19`	`simonrvn`	`mopdprobe module options`
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`22:24.24`	`simonrvn`	`eh?`
`22:24.44`	`Kuko`	`i donno my path`
`22:24.46`	`Kuko`	`=\`
`22:24.50`	`sioc`	`valdyn: ?`
`22:24.54`	`simonrvn`	`did you set it up?`
`22:25.03`	`simonrvn`	`do lvdisplay`
`22:25.10`	`Kuko`	`Yeah but just with the debian install thing`
`22:25.15`	`simonrvn`	`that will show you details`
`22:25.37`	`simonrvn`	`there's pv* vg* and lv* commands`
`22:25.54`	`simonrvn`	`all of them have a display one`
`22:26.31`	`Kuko`	`and what was the command again`
`22:26.31`	`simonrvn`	`my lvm root was an accident that i decided to keep`
`22:26.32`	`Kuko`	`lvresize?`
`22:26.34`	`simonrvn`	`lvresize -L+3G /dev/system/homelv`
`22:26.57`	`simonrvn`	`read up on what that does first (lvresize --help)`
`22:27.05`	`Kuko`	`ugg to late`
`22:27.05`	`Kuko`	`lol`
`22:27.13`	`Kuko`	`Apparently it did it succesfully though`
`22:27.14`	`Kuko`	`lol`
`22:27.39`	`Kuko`	`Now uhh..... why is it still showing its teh same size?`
`22:27.49`	`simonrvn`	`if you had enough space in you pv yeh (i still get the terminology a bit confused)`
`22:27.57`	`simonrvn`	`your*`
`22:28.24`	`Kuko`	`simonrvn?`
`22:28.30`	`Kuko`	`Its still showing its the same size =\`
`22:28.30`	`simonrvn`	`porbably because it's still online`
`22:28.36`	`Kuko`	`do i need a reboot or something?`
`22:28.41`	`simonrvn`	`if you didn't unmount it`
`22:29.10`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: jfs and lvm seem to like each other a lot`
`22:29.10`	`Kuko`	`so i should unmount it?`
`22:29.17`	`simonrvn`	`yes... ;)`
`22:29.25`	`Kuko`	`hmm k`
`22:29.38`	`Kuko`	`apparently its busy rofl`
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`22:29.47`	`simonrvn`	`so stop what's using it`
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`22:30.16`	`Kuko`	`hmm it didnt change`
`22:30.16`	`Kuko`	`=\`
`22:30.23`	`simonrvn`	`fyi, you should do that first, unless you know it can be done live`
`22:30.28`	`katabatic`	`can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or FN hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?`
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`22:30.48`	`simonrvn`	`hmm, can't remember if i had to do soemthing else after... sec`
`22:31.10`	`simonrvn`	`oh yeh, make it active`
`22:31.16`	`Kuko`	`how?`
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`22:31.31`	`simonrvn`	`has to be inactive first`
`22:31.47`	`Kuko`	`ohh so do it again but unmount it first?`
`22:31.53`	`fleischwurst`	`thats an amsg, sorry, im just testing, please dont highlight me, thanks :)`
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`22:32.17`	`simonrvn`	`no, you'll add to it`
`22:32.27`	`Kuko`	`lol`
`22:32.38`	`simonrvn`	`sec`
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`22:33.05`	`Kuko`	`apparently its that big thoguh lol`
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`22:33.22`	`Kuko`	`its 300mb according to lvdisplay`
`22:33.24`	`Kuko`	`but not df -h`
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`22:33.54`	aton`	`fleischwurst, keine amsgs!`
`22:33.58`	`fleischwurst`	`:>`
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`22:34.08`	`simonrvn`	`try lvchange --refresh`
`22:34.21`	`simonrvn`	`ah ok, yeh it's possible`
`22:34.31`	`simonrvn`	`df is a bit dumb`
`22:34.33`	`Kuko`	`--refresh doesnt exxist`
`22:34.36`	`simonrvn`	`i use di usually`
`22:35.08`	`simonrvn`	`ok...`
`22:35.16`	`simonrvn`	`it's in my man page`
`22:35.21`	`Kuko`	`weired`
`22:35.31`	`Kuko`	`i just get the help dialog when i do that`
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`22:35.40`	`simonrvn`	`and my --help`
`22:35.41`	`Kuko`	`ohh i have to give teh path`
`22:35.42`	`simonrvn`	`oh well`
`22:35.48`	`simonrvn`	`ok`
`23:09.56`	`Kuko`	`still not showing up in df`
`23:09.56`	`Kuko`	`=\`
`23:09.56`	`simonrvn`	`ignore df, try di`
`23:09.56`	`Kuko`	`how do i use di9;2~`
`23:09.56`	`Kuko`	`err`
`23:09.57`	`Kuko`	`di*`
`23:09.57`	`simonrvn`	`install it first ;)`
`23:09.57`	`simonrvn`	`same way`
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`23:09.57`	`Kuko`	`how can i view how big /opt is with it?`
`23:09.57`	`simonrvn`	`works like df`
`23:09.57`	`Kuko`	`im just getting % with -f`
`23:09.58`	`simonrvn`	`use it with no params`
`23:09.58`	`mfrisch`	`debian uses /opt`
`23:09.58`	`simonrvn`	`eh?`
`23:09.58`	`Kuko`	`Yeah its telling me its still smaller then it is`
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`23:09.59`	`simonrvn`	`ok, if lvdisplay shows it's grown, then trust that`
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`23:10.00`	`Kuko`	`will that fix if i reboot?`
`23:10.00`	`simonrvn`	`it should yes`
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`23:10.00`	`Kuko`	`k ima try that`
`23:10.00`	`simonrvn`	`afk`
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`23:10.00`	`Kuko`	`brb`
`23:10.00`	`lindenle\|work`	`I am sshing from a Debian box to a SLD3 box and now my backspace key just prints ~ can someone help me fix this irritating problem`
`23:10.01`	`niles`	`hi`
`23:10.01`	`niles`	`is etch stable yet ?`
`23:10.01`	`azeem`	`no`
`23:10.01`	`niles`	`whats taking so long?`
`23:10.01`	`lindenle\|work`	`!wwer`
`23:10.01`	`dpkg`	`Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html`
`23:10.01`	`dendrite`	`niles: You're not helping us!`
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`23:10.03`	`pingouin`	`niles: perfection ask time`
`23:10.04`	`niles`	`ok`
`23:10.06`	`niles`	`im just worried that vista will get around before etch`
`23:10.06`	`zer0ed`	`heh`
`23:10.06`	`zer0ed`	`right`
`23:10.07`	`lindenle\|work`	`who cares`
`23:10.07`	`niles`	`lol`
`23:10.07`	`pingouin`	`niles: we dont care about vista`
`23:10.08`	`itchi`	`hi, when i do an ssh connection to a box, the ~/.bashrc are not read. How can i make him read it. (i can do it by simply run bash in the shell)`
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`23:10.11`	`simonrvn`	`vista what?`
`23:10.12`	`pingouin`	`the new trap from microsoft with drm everywhere....`
`23:10.12`	`simonrvn`	`heh, dude's in winnipeg`
`23:10.13`	`dendrite`	`simonrvn: M$'s next steaming turd.`
`23:10.13`	`simonrvn`	`i was kidding`
`23:10.13`	`Kuko`	`=\`
`23:10.15`	`Kuko`	`Yeah im in a frozen shithole`
`23:10.15`	`Kuko`	`That & it still isnt showing up`
`23:10.15`	`Kuko`	`ugg`
`23:10.15`	`simonrvn`	`odd`
`23:10.15`	`pingouin`	`where is winnipeg ?`
`23:10.15`	`simonrvn`	`i'm thinking i'm missing a step... so it syncs...`
`23:10.15`	`Kuko`	`canada`
`23:10.15`	`simonrvn`	`in manitoba`
`23:10.15`	`pingouin`	`ok thanks`
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`23:10.16`	`Kuko`	`resize_fs thing?`
`23:10.16`	`Kuko`	`somethin like that?`
`23:10.16`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, you'll need to do that`
`23:10.16`	`simonrvn`	`if you already had an fs there`
`23:10.16`	`Kuko`	`huh?`
`23:10.16`	`Kuko`	`its a jfs and i was adding 100m to /opt sector`
`23:10.17`	`simonrvn`	`me it was all blank so i re-ddi the fs on it`
`23:10.17`	`simonrvn`	`did*`
`23:10.17`	`Kuko`	`so what would be the command to sync it?`
`23:10.17`	`sioc`	`is someone can help with a amd64 trouble ? (nobody's alive in amd-64 chan)`
`23:10.17`	`mfrisch`	`Kuko: what 3rd party software are you installing?`
`23:10.18`	`simonrvn`	`the resize_fs command... i can't help you there.. never done it`
`23:10.18`	`pingouin`	`sioc: not me...i gave up with it :/`
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`23:10.19`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: whats wrong?`
`23:11.24`	`simonrvn`	`i lived in winterpeg a while`
`23:11.24`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: 2.6.18-3-amd64 see only 3 of my 5 SATA HD`
`23:11.25`	`pingouin`	`spending you're time playing frozen bubbles ;)`
`23:11.25`	`simonrvn`	`way back in '96`
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`23:11.25`	`simonrvn`	`fuck, 10 almost 11 years already...`
`23:11.26`	`pingouin`	`sioc: not to bad.....3 on 5 ;)`
`23:11.26`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: so i'm looking for an other kernel (i crashed all 2.6.19 or .20-rc i tried to compile)`
`23:11.26`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: the new kernel..don't know except unstable is getting that way ;-(`
`23:11.26`	`jerry`	`we plan to launch a retirement home project for old geeks - :)`
`23:11.26`	`sioc`	`pingouin: i will give up on linux if i don't suceed this week i'm fed up`
`23:11.27`	`pingouin`	`sioc: linux dont care about you're faillure ;)`
`23:11.27`	`simonrvn`	`jerry: hehe, not that old =)`
`23:11.27`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: it's pain in the ass to not have all HDs`
`23:11.27`	`simonrvn`	`linux is just a kernel after all`
`23:11.28`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: I think testing is the only bet right now..`
`23:11.28`	`sioc`	`pingouin: like you said, but you can imagine ... i'm under debian since slink, so for me to drop...`
`23:11.29`	`simonrvn`	`hehe lordlamer`
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`23:11.30`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: use the kernel from the cd`
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`23:11.31`	`pingouin`	`sioc: the juice worth the squeeze ;)`
`23:11.31`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: that's the one i use currently`
`23:11.31`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: did it ever work...`
`23:11.32`	`simonrvn`	`Kuko: well good luck with that`
`23:11.32`	`simonrvn`	`take care all, bbl`
`23:11.32`	`pingouin`	`see ya`
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`23:11.33`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: i'm under the 2.6.18-3-amd64, but i can see my HD only with a kernel 2.6.19-rc3 not 64 bits`
`23:11.33`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: and under i386 kernel i can't get my 4 GB RAM only 2011, it's a known issue...`
`23:11.33`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: so your box is mixed not amd-64 port just the kernel??`
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`23:11.34`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: i run a etch debian amd64`
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`23:11.36`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: it's just i tried a lot of solutions even i386 install`
`23:11.36`	`Kuko`	`simonrvn: i got it`
`23:11.36`	`Kuko`	`:D`
`23:11.36`	`simonrvn`	`yay`
`23:11.36`	`Kuko`	`mount -o remount,resize /opt`
`23:11.36`	`simonrvn`	`congrats`
`23:11.36`	`simonrvn`	`ah ok`
`23:11.37`	`Kuko`	`:D`
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`23:11.38`	`Kuko`	`now one last question`
`23:11.38`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: have you tried what a live cd like katonix64 to see if it sees them`
`23:11.38`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: ICH8 and JMicron are troublesome`
`23:11.38`	`Kuko`	`Is there a way to see how much unallocated space there is?`
`23:11.38`	`Guerin`	`Kuko: no, you can't have a pony`
`23:11.38`	`Kuko`	`Like free space in my jfs`
`23:11.38`	`Kuko`	`awe man`
`23:11.38`	`Kuko`	`I want one so so bad`
`23:11.39`	`Guerin`	`aww, damn lag`
`23:11.39`	`Guerin`	`!nopony Kuko`
`23:11.39`	`dpkg`	`Kuko: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg`
`23:11.39`	`Kuko`	`:"(`
`23:11.40`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: you're mean!`
`23:11.40`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: i'm downloading the latest knoppix dvd because there is a kernel 2.6.19 and the header package, but i still search other solution`
`23:11.40`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: :(`
`23:11.40`	`christiane`	Hello. I have two machines: server: 1.6 GHz (2.6.8); client: 2 GHz (2.6.15). Both with 1 GB RAM and a GB NIC with module r8169 running. While transferring data between them I watch speed with `iftop` (libpcap) on both machines. On the server cpu load for process iftop is below 1%, on the clients it's about 30%. What could be a reason for that?
`23:11.41`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: I'm not saying droping anything just diagnoising`
`23:11.41`	`Steven-Laptop`	`sioc I have had good luck with ubuntu on 64 system and it works as a live cd`
`23:11.59`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: ubuntu64 dunno ICH8 and JMicron, no cdrom after kernel loading...`
`23:12.00`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: same as etch 64 dvd`
`23:12.01`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: only the etch amd64 netinstall saw my hardware`
`23:12.03`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: i even tried kmuto.jp backports`
`23:12.03`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: are you using rc1`
`23:12.03`	`jerry`	`simonrvn: not now but soon :)`
`23:12.03`	`abrotman`	`perhaps he should ask #debian-boot`
`23:12.04`	`mfrisch`	`can't even guess what hardware is involved`
`23:12.05`	`cilkay`	`Hello. How would you add this package source: http://packages.debianbase.de/etch/i386/ ? The general form according to the docs is: deb URI distro section1 section2... I understand all but this thing referred to as "section". What is that?`
`23:12.05`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: i don't see the point ? it's kernel trouble not RC, i did my apt-get update / upgrade`
`23:12.05`	`Steven-Laptop`	`sioc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ give it a try its a live cd as well`
`23:12.05`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: thanks`
`23:12.06`	`abrotman`	`Steven-Laptop: try #ubuntu`
`23:12.07`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: that's the one i tried with failure`
`23:12.07`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: my point is that older disk where buggy at best`
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`23:12.07`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: oh ok`
`23:12.07`	`Kuko`	`I think my debian sid box was more stable then my edgy box =\`
`23:12.08`	`Azar`	`lol`
`23:12.08`	`mfrisch`	`sioc: nothing has every been released officially yet`
`23:12.08`	`cilkay`	`Is "section" in the sources list the same thing as sub-directory?`
`23:12.08`	`abrotman`	`christiane: transfer data how ?`
`23:12.08`	`sioc`	`mfrisch: i figured that, the install finished like hell, but i'm ok now except that HDs trouble`
`23:12.08`	`cilkay`	`Apparently not.`
`23:12.08`	`christiane`	`abrotman: netcat`
`23:12.09`	`Steven-Laptop`	`sioc you know what is causing the the problem? acpi or what?`
`23:12.09`	`abrotman`	`christiane: swraid on either end ?`
`23:12.10`	`abrotman`	`sioc: it used to work and now it doesn't ?`
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`23:12.11`	`sioc`	`Steven-Laptop: i dunno, it neever worked ok with 2.6.18`
`23:12.26`	`abrotman`	`aren't you special`
`23:12.26`	`abrotman`	`sioc: have you tried asking the debian-kernel mailing list?`
`23:12.27`	`christiane`	abrotman: server side. The cpu load of `iftop` (the diagnostic tool) on the client goes up to 30% ...
`23:12.27`	`sioc`	`abrotman: i can have them with a 2.6.19-RC3 found on kmuto.jp (but i386)`
`23:12.27`	`blackelf`	`debian shold really already port 2.6.19, number of hardware do not work at all in older ones`
`23:12.27`	`Steven-Laptop`	`sioc: you have had linux loaded correct?`
`23:12.27`	`abrotman`	`sioc: /msg dpkg custom netinst .. make your own`
`23:12.28`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: file a bug`
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`23:12.28`	`unlink`	`what's the program that walks you through all the alternatives to choose between?`
`23:12.29`	`Azar`	`blackelf: 2.6.19 is on the works.. still got bugs`
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`23:12.29`	`christiane`	`abrotman: Maybe it's chipset related (though it's the same driver module r8169)`
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`23:12.29`	`sioc`	`abrotman: i tried 2.6.19 but it crashed on boot`
`23:12.30`	`abrotman`	`unlink: galternatives ?`
`23:12.30`	`unlink`	`it's dialog based`
`23:12.30`	`sioc`	`abrotman: it's hell to make running`
`23:12.30`	`abrotman`	`sioc: that may hav ebeen a mistake on your part`
`23:12.30`	`Azar`	`sioc: how old or how new is your hardware?`
`23:12.30`	`blackelf`	`Azar: my idea was to allow kernel-2.6-experimental-i386. some people prefer to have testing kernel instead one that do not work`
`23:12.30`	`sioc`	`abrotman: surely, i'm not a kernel guru`
`23:12.31`	`abrotman`	`unlink: anyting in the altneratives package ?`
`23:12.31`	`Azar`	`blackelf: the "stable" kernels depend also on the type of hardware used`
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`23:12.32`	`unlink`	`abrotman: what package?`
`23:12.32`	`blackelf`	`sioc: orly? are you shure you use right configure (like the same as in working kernel)? tr 2.6.19.2 if faiils then email to kernel devels`
`23:12.32`	`abrotman`	`unlink: you tell me :)`
`23:12.32`	`Azar`	`blackelf: some people still using 10 year old hardware, which might have support dropped`
`23:12.33`	`sioc`	`abrotman: and 2.6.19 stop to be 'compatible' with previous .config somehow`
`23:12.33`	`abrotman`	`unlink: all i can find is update-alternatives`
`23:12.34`	`blackelf`	`Azar: I ment, it would be nice to explain via phone "apt-get install 2.6-experimental-i386" instead explaining how to build kernel...`
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`23:12.34`	`abrotman`	`that's what backports is for`
`23:12.34`	`blackelf`	`Azar: just option of quick rescue`
`23:12.35`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: to use backport I have to dig around sources list? that is not very user friendly`
`23:12.35`	`Azar`	`blackelf: right, people ought to know the level of hardware goes with proper kernel. Old hardware might go with 2.4.x. kernel and not with a 2.6.x, newest hardware with newest "stable" kernel`
`23:12.35`	`abrotman`	`oh for the love of god .. stop being so fucking lazy`
`23:12.35`	`abrotman`	`it's called stable for a reason .. if you don't like it .. find another distro`
`23:12.35`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: who the fuck is lazy?`
`23:12.35`	`abrotman`	`i hear gentoo is dying`
`23:12.35`	`Azar`	`wow not nice "smirk" rip gentoo`
`23:12.35`	`blackelf`	`_myself_ I build own kernels, I ment the newbies out there`
`23:12.36`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman: who has day to compile sh1t`
`23:12.36`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: it doesn't take a day if you do it right the first time`
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`23:12.36`	`blackelf`	`if sound do not work with "stable" debian then it is not so steble now is it`
`23:12.36`	`abrotman`	`or you could use a distro targeted at newbs`
`23:12.36`	`unlink`	`oh`
`23:12.37`	`PcDark`	`why won't my computer connect to wireless`
`23:12.37`	`PcDark`	`I did`
`23:12.37`	`unlink`	`it was update-alternatives`
`23:12.48`	`PcDark`	`"iwconfig eth1 ESSID linksys"`
`23:12.48`	`PcDark`	`"iwconfig eth1 key 8FCD443787`
`23:12.49`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: yes it is .. if you don't understand the meaning of stable .. that's your problem`
`23:12.49`	`Azar`	`blackelf: sound worx with stable but you have to "configure" it`
`23:12.49`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: stable really means that the bugs are known :-\|`
`23:12.49`	`Azar`	`blackelf: no configure, no worky`
`23:12.49`	`PcDark`	`and it DID connect before`
`23:12.49`	`sioc`	`i'll pass by if i succeed to make my pc run ok`
`23:12.49`	`sioc`	`bye`
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`23:12.50`	`blackelf`	`Azar: alsaconf? doesnt work. do work after hand installing 2.6.19`
`23:12.50`	`unlink`	`isn't there an alternative for python?`
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`23:12.50`	`plediii`	`like perl?`
`23:12.50`	`blackelf`	`lua?`
`23:12.50`	`abrotman`	`that doesn't make it non-stable`
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`23:12.50`	`jelly-home`	`ruby?`
`23:12.50`	`PcDark`	`how do I find a list of available networks`
`23:12.51`	`PcDark`	`that my wireless card figures out`
`23:12.51`	`PcDark`	`iwconfig something`
`23:12.51`	`abrotman`	`what .. noone likes perl anymore? :)`
`23:12.51`	`blackelf`	`visual basic 6 pro?`
`23:12.51`	`unlink`	`how do i pick which python is default?`
`23:12.52`	`Guerin`	`PcDark: iwlist scan`
`23:12.52`	`Azar`	`blackelf: because several reasons: replace your oss modules with alsa ones , use alsamixer to unmute channels, check your wires be plugged correctly, configure your "player" to use alsa....`
`23:12.52`	`Guerin`	PcDark: you probably need to be in `monitor' mode
`23:12.52`	`blackelf`	`unlink: huh?`
`23:12.52`	`abrotman`	`unlink: that's not part of alternatives`
`23:12.52`	`abrotman`	`unlink: it's a symlink .. which you shouldn't change`
`23:12.52`	`unlink`	`oh`
`23:12.53`	`unlink`	`why not?`
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`23:12.53`	`abrotman`	unlink: ls -l `which python`
`23:12.53`	`blackelf`	`Azar: all works the moment user boots 2.6.19 and stop working the moment he boots 2.6.18, I really think this IS kernel fault`
`23:12.54`	`abrotman`	`unlink: because the system depends on that versioun`
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`23:12.59`	`abrotman`	`unlink: you can install other versions and use the full binary name like python-2.3 etc`
`23:13.04`	`jelly-home`	`unlink: python releases are incompatible. Use explicit #!/usr/bin/python2.5 in your scripts if you need it`
`23:13.05`	`unlink`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 992K Jan 13 11:51 /usr/bin/python*`
`23:13.09`	`mfrisch`	`blackelf: he said 2.6.19 was i386`
`23:13.18`	`abrotman`	unlink: ls -l `which python`
`23:13.21`	`blackelf`	`Azar: newest intell laptop, rev 4. Funny think, rev 3 works on 18.`
`23:13.29`	`unlink`	`abrotman: that's the output of exactly that command`
`23:13.31`	`abrotman`	$ ls -l `which python`
`23:13.31`	`abrotman`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-12-25 13:30 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4`
`23:13.34`	`abrotman`	`that's what it should show`
`23:13.44`	`unlink`	trevor@lambda:~$ ls -l `which python`
`23:13.45`	`unlink`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 992K Jan 13 11:51 /usr/bin/python*`
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`23:13.51`	`abrotman`	`wtf is the * ?`
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`23:13.56`	`unlink`	`from ls -F`
`23:13.59`	`blackelf`	`unlink: *? wtf?!`
`23:14.00`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: executable`
`23:14.04`	`twobitsprite`	`gah!! what is it with debian packages not listing thier files in dpkg -L anymore??`
`23:14.06`	`unlink`	`means it's executable`
`23:14.09`	`Azar`	`blackelf: just as a general idea: all "newest" hardware come with buggy drivers, and will take time to get the bugs. And this for any OS you will try on it`
`23:14.12`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: uhm .. weird`
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`23:14.15`	`blackelf`	`unlink: did yu fucked around with that symlink, now tell the truth`
`23:14.16`	`PcDark`	`why won't it connect :/`
`23:14.19`	`twobitsprite`	`most of them only list their docs`
`23:14.22`	`azeem`	`twobitsprite: files outside of /etc?`
`23:14.25`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: you didn't use -F`
`23:14.29`	`abrotman`	`unlink: dpkg -l python*`
`23:14.31`	`blackelf`	`ls alias ftw`
`23:14.32`	`Guerin`	`help ls will explain all`
`23:14.34`	`unlink`	`abrotman: it's from a bash alias`
`23:14.35`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: why would i ?`
`23:14.37`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: nah, LS_OPTIONS is set probably, or some alias in effect`
`23:14.47`	`PcDark`	`boom connected :0`
`23:14.51`	`twobitsprite`	`azeem: i.e. php5 only lists the stuff in /usr/share/doc`
`23:15.00`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: because you want to have specific details available without colour?`
`23:15.12`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: i can read! .. i don't need colors or asterisks`
`23:15.16`	`unlink`	`abrotman: what's that command for?`
`23:15.16`	`Azar`	`blackelf: in fact the very Debian documentation recommends using "conservative" hardware, meaning one-two years old, since the kernels don't keep the same pace with the "newest"`
`23:15.16`	`twobitsprite`	`azeem: I've seen this a lot recently`
`23:15.25`	`azeem`	`twobitsprite: that's because it's a meta-package`
`23:15.27`	`abrotman`	`unlink: you're on etch or sid ?`
`23:15.27`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: how do you tell what's executable, what's a dir, etc?`
`23:15.28`	`azeem`	`http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=php5&version=unstable&arch=all`
`23:15.31`	`unlink`	`abrotman: sid`
`23:15.33`	`blackelf`	`Azar: huh yeah. So my idea is: give user choice a) normal kernel b) experimental kernel which IS NEEDED for SOME hardware.`
`23:15.35`	`azeem`	`twobitsprite: i.e. there is nothing else`
`23:15.37`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: in ls -l ?`
`23:15.41`	`Azar`	`blackelf: unless, you are an expert and love testing and fixing`
`23:15.47`	`abrotman`	`unlink: do you have python2.4 installed ?`
`23:15.50`	`PcDark`	`well`
`23:15.52`	`PcDark`	`it says connected`
`23:15.53`	`unlink`	`abrotman: yes`
`23:15.57`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: (also, please forget about that LS_OPTIONS thing, my mind just made it up)`
`23:16.04`	`unlink`	`abrotman: 2.4 and 2.5`
`23:16.05`	`twobitsprite`	`azeem: ohh... I didn't see other packages being installed...`
`23:16.07`	`blackelf`	`Azar: and if someone bought newer hardware then wat, why not give him a chance to use less tested but WORKING kernel`
`23:16.12`	`abrotman`	`unlink: python should point to one of the others`
`23:16.20`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: maybe he should use another distro`
`23:16.47`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: it would benefit debian to support also new hardware; what are the cons then`
`23:16.50`	`abrotman`	`unlink: so if you hit python<tab><Tab> .. what do you get`
`23:16.51`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: what's so bad about using d-i with newer kernel from kmuto.jp?`
`23:16.57`	`unlink`	`abrotman: it points to 2.4`
`23:17.03`	`blackelf`	`jelly-home: wtf is kmuto.jp`
`23:17.05`	`Azar`	`blackelf: Debian comes in 3 flavors: stable/Sarge - testing/Etch - and unstable/Sid. Your "newest" PC probably will go with unstable that uses the "latest" stuff, but not stable. Will work and will broke as it pleases`
`23:17.08`	`PcDark`	`grr`
`23:17.09`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: then we wouldn't get to have you go on and on`
`23:17.12`	`unlink`	`i get python, python2.{4,5}{,-config}`
`23:17.17`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/`
`23:17.19`	`abrotman`	`unlink: so it is a symlink ?`
`23:17.34`	`mfrisch`	`my harddrive will never work on 'doz xp`
`23:17.39`	`blackelf`	`jelly-home: is this official kernels signed with officiall keys etc, or some kernels made up by kid at hom`
`23:17.40`	`blackelf`	`-home`
`23:17.41`	`Azar`	`blackelf: the Debian unstable is strongly NOT recommended for beginners`
`23:17.50`	`abrotman`	`kmuto is a kid .. for sure`
`23:17.54`	`unlink`	`abrotman: yes`
`23:17.57`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: it's made by some kid, and it works`
`23:18.01`	`*** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal)`
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`23:18.11`	`jelly-home`	`well... mostly :-)`
`23:18.11`	`blackelf`	`works as in irssi-with-backdoor-works?`
`23:18.15`	`abrotman`	`unlink: okay .. so it's how it works ?`
`23:18.15`	`Guerin`	`Azar: blackelf has been a debian beginner for years now`
`23:18.24`	`unlink`	`abrotman: what?`
`23:18.31`	`abrotman`	`now it works :)`
`23:18.33`	`PcDark`	`I can't WHY WONT IT CONNECT`
`23:18.34`	`Azar`	`Guerin: like me?`
`23:18.39`	`blackelf`	`Guerin: wtf are you rambling about. you forget the word "helping" there.`
`23:18.42`	`abrotman`	`Azar: no .. far worse`
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`23:18.46`	`Guerin`	`PcDark: #wireless`
`23:18.51`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: are you trying to solve a problem, or to argue?`
`23:18.56`	`Guerin`	`blackelf: lighten up, elfy.`
`23:19.02`	`Azar`	`omg... blackelf get a "normal" PC and use Debian stable`
`23:19.14`	`abrotman`	`that's all he does .. argue ..`
`23:19.33`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: does iwlist see it ?`
`23:19.37`	`Azar`	`he seems an excellent ubuntu user`
`23:19.37`	`blackelf`	`Azar: omg... yes, I will ask that 15 yo kid to just get $ for another laptop. Just go to street corner or something, easy`
`23:19.51`	`abrotman`	`see ...`
`23:19.55`	`blackelf`	`dont do debian -> it WILL make you end up on streets`
`23:19.56`	`Azar`	`blackelf: is said that ubuntu runs on any PC`
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`23:20.14`	`blackelf`	`so ubuntu is better then?`
`23:20.25`	`Azar`	`no, just works magics for you`
`23:20.25`	`abrotman`	`it's also OT in this channel`
`23:20.25`	`blackelf`	`why not make debian better in that way as well`
`23:20.39`	`Azar`	`ok .... ok calm down`
`23:20.42`	`Azar`	`fix your stuff`
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`23:20.43`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: how about you start making it better and shut up already`
`23:20.49`	`abrotman`	`if you think it's so broken`
`23:21.01`	`blackelf`	`then write email to lazy devels, yes`
`23:21.18`	`blackelf`	`it took a YEAR to fix a nasty bug in krusader 1.79 / 1.80, untill I emailed upstream`
`23:21.24`	`[Marvin]`	`Quick question - I did a 'tail -f /proc/mdstat' in a minimal shell, and Ctrl-C won't stop it...any suggestions?`
`23:21.24`	`Azar`	`blackelf: then put your ass and show you can do better`
`23:21.33`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: good .. now please be quiet`
`23:21.42`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: your idea of putting new kernels into stable has some merit. I suggest you work it out, and try suggesting on the -devel lists.`
`23:21.48`	`abrotman`	`[Marvin]: kill the process from another shell`
`23:21.55`	`lech`	`hmmm, in order to get mysql up and running which exact apt-get package do i need? mysql-server?`
`23:22.04`	`[Marvin]`	`abrotman, I can't - singleusermode :(`
`23:22.13`	`[Marvin]`	`...or I would've done exactly that ;)`
`23:22.15`	`abrotman`	`[Marvin]: ctrl-alt-f2`
`23:22.18`	`mfrisch`	`lech: yes`
`23:22.26`	`abrotman`	`or has only one tty started ?`
`23:22.34`	`blackelf`	`Azar: ok as reguested: 2.6.19.1-grsec-lap32a-a. it works, and I wonder shuld I share that wonder with other users. I will email -devel as jelly-home suggested..`
`23:22.40`	`[Marvin]`	`abrotman, yeah...I'm rebuilding the system RAID....`
`23:22.51`	`lech`	`mfrisch, seeing as how there's no version on there, i presume that's going to give me the latest version available?`
`23:22.53`	`PcDark`	`abrotman: yes it sees it`
`23:23.00`	`abrotman`	`[Marvin]: try a ctrl-z maybe ?`
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`23:23.05`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: any errors ?`
`23:23.14`	`mfrisch`	`lech: yea msql5`
`23:23.19`	`[Marvin]`	`abrotman, no dice.`
`23:23.24`	`lech`	`good deal, thanks`
`23:23.32`	`[Marvin]`	`Heh, I've tried Ctrl-just-about-everything :-p`
`23:23.44`	`abrotman`	`[Marvin]: tried ctrl-q ?`
`23:23.55`	`[Marvin]`	`abrotman, now I have. Still nothing.`
`23:24.01`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: beware that msql is different than mysql`
`23:24.04`	`lech`	`hmmm, looks like it's giving me 4.0.42`
`23:24.07`	`abrotman`	`[Marvin]: is it still tailing ?`
`23:24.10`	`lech`	`err .24`
`23:24.20`	`abrotman`	`lech: mysql-server-5.0`
`23:24.26`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman: yes a BIG typing error`
`23:24.32`	`[Marvin]`	`abrotman, not really...tail won't work with /proc/mdstat I think.`
`23:24.33`	`lech`	`can i cancel apt-get without ill effects?`
`23:24.38`	`PcDark`	`nope`
`23:24.39`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`23:24.47`	`abrotman`	`lech: yes`
`23:24.55`	`cilkay`	`How do I add this: http://packages.debianbase.de/etch/i386/nx/ into sources.list? I have: deb http://packages.debianbase.de/etch/i386/nx/ etch - but I'm not sure what to put for "section".`
`23:24.57`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: no errors when you try to conenct at all? what happens ?`
`23:24.57`	`lech`	`ok, just ctrl+c'd out of there`
`23:24.57`	`[Marvin]`	`So...right now the system acts as though I was using ed or something :-p`
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`23:25.12`	`abrotman`	`cilkay: main probably .. ask #nx`
`23:25.30`	`cilkay`	`abrotman: I tried main. It didn't work.`
`23:25.55`	`abrotman`	`stoned: i need to record Hall of the Mountain King!`
`23:25.59`	`abrotman`	`wait .. that's not the name`
`23:26.08`	`cilkay`	`But that's a general question really. I don't really understand how one is supposed to add new sources.`
`23:26.09`	`lech`	`abrotman, in aptitude search, the latest appears to be 4.1`
`23:26.10`	`PcDark`	`it says "google.com cannot be found" on wget http://google.com`
`23:26.18`	`abrotman`	`lech: then you're on sarge .. and don't have 5.0`
`23:26.22`	`lech`	`ahhhhh`
`23:26.26`	`Azar`	`PcDark: where is the www. ?`
`23:26.29`	`lech`	`ok, that would explain it then`
`23:26.31`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: great .. if you /etc/init.d/networking restart .. any errors ?`
`23:26.34`	`PcDark`	`www doesn't work either`
`23:26.42`	`abrotman`	`lech: so choose between 4.1 and 4.0 or ask me about bakcports`
`23:26.43`	`abrotman`	`backports`
`23:26.49`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: note I didn't say to email -devel right away, but to work it out first and propose/inquire of the feasibility of a way to put newer kernels in stable in some way.`
`23:27.00`	`PcDark`	`oh i messed up in interfaces :P`
`23:27.01`	`abrotman`	`!volitile`
`23:27.05`	`abrotman`	`!volatile`
`23:27.05`	`dpkg`	`somebody said volatile was debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/`
`23:27.14`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: yeah.`
`23:27.31`	`abrotman`	`which is really what he's proposing .. and if he weren't such a newb .. he'd know about already`
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`23:27.48`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: there should be an easy way of creating a custom d-i image with your own kernel.`
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`23:27.55`	`abrotman`	`!custom netinst`
`23:27.55`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni>`
`23:28.08`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: I said EASY :->`
`23:28.14`	`PcDark`	`but`
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`23:28.19`	`abrotman`	`the wiki links aren't that bad`
`23:28.21`	`PcDark`	`this is wierd`
`23:28.25`	`PcDark`	`it says this is bbad:`
`23:28.29`	`PcDark`	`wireless_essid linksys`
`23:28.32`	`abrotman`	`bbad ?`
`23:28.34`	`PcDark`	`says it errors`
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`23:28.46`	`blackelf`	`jelly-home: because of the reason just reminded by abrotman, I do not want to bring experimental kernels to stable. INSTEAD I want to make a fork to use in emergency, if normal stable kernel is useless, one would rather use forked, experimental kernel, then be left with useless system.`
`23:28.58`	`MsgToThePpl`	`hi, i've a problem : can't set volume for 5.1 speaker (works only the master volume) card:sb live 24: snd_ca0106`
`23:28.58`	`PcDark`	`line 16 misplaced option`
`23:29.11`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: so you wouldn't have it installed until the emergency ?`
`23:29.28`	`Azar`	`blackelf: I guess they ment to say shutup and configure your own kernel at your likes.`
`23:29.38`	`Azar`	`which - yes - is possible`
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`23:29.51`	`PcDark`	`is that wrong, abrotman`
`23:29.52`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: yes, in case of emergnecy one would simple apt-get install kernel-experimental.. - it IS a LOT easier for meany ppl then get & build kernel or use backport`
`23:29.53`	`PcDark`	`I have`
`23:29.57`	`PcDark`	`auto eth1 iface inet dhcp`
`23:30.03`	`PcDark`	`wireless_essid linksys`
`23:30.06`	`PcDark`	`and it errors, then I have more stuff`
`23:30.07`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: something tells me it would be too late by then`
`23:30.16`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: don't you need a key ?`
`23:30.19`	`christiane`	`Hello. I created a (soft) symlink "/root/Maildir -> /var/something/Maildir" and thought it would be fully transparent to any opening process. But postfix refuses to store mail to it. Is there a legitimate reason for this behavior?`
`23:30.20`	`PcDark`	`I do`
`23:30.23`	`PcDark`	`but it errors there`
`23:30.50`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: if even network do not work then yes. But I ment like: boot, eth work, but wirelles,video,audio doesnt. My friend have exacly that case`
`23:31.00`	`PcDark`	`it says the option is misplaced, abrotman`
`23:31.06`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: then he sohuld use another distro perhaps ..`
`23:31.15`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: paste your whole /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere`
`23:31.18`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`23:31.18`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`23:31.36`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: perhaps. So that makes debian less usable for prople in such situation.`
`23:31.45`	`PcDark`	`Hold on`
`23:31.46`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: oh well .. it makes it more usable for many other people`
`23:31.46`	`PcDark`	`bbl`
`23:31.47`	`cilkay`	`christiane: Postfix won't deliver mail to root. You must set up an alias for root.`
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`23:32.46`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: again!`
`23:32.49`	`jelly-home`	`ok, maybe that Modify/CD procedure isn't that bad... I got lost halfway with debian-cd when I tried it a few months ago`
`23:32.51`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: uhm. how the fact that SEPARATED -experimental- kernel exists and is ready to install-if-needed makes debian less usable for people that do not need it installed?`
`23:32.54`	`jelly-home`	`gotta recheck those factoids from time to time`
`23:33.00`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: no .. it's really not that bad`
`23:33.03`	`christiane`	`cilkay: Postfix actually delivers mail to the real /root/Maildir. I just wanted to know if/why symlinks can somtimes be a problem for accessing processes.`
`23:33.20`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: because people don't willynilly install newer kernels that might corrupt data or not boot at all ...`
`23:34.03`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: and you're really arguing with the wrong person .. i think your idea is very silly .. and you need to convince the kernel developers .. not me`
`23:34.15`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: dude, compiling a newer kernel isn't exactly rocket science`
`23:34.17`	`abrotman`	`of course .. where does it end .. why stop at the kernel`
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`23:34.36`	`abrotman`	`and then you're running unstable. . wheeeee`
`23:34.40`	`blackelf`	`I am nor aguing, I was curious what was silly in idea to give people more CHOICE, which seem like basic rason to use linux`
`23:34.43`	`MsgToThePpl`	`hi, i've a problem : can't set volume for 5.1 speaker (works only the master volume) card:sb live 24: snd_ca0106`
`23:35.03`	`Azar`	`there are choices, three`
`23:35.12`	`marco_`	`to what directories (besides their home dir) can normal users write?`
`23:35.14`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: if your friend can boot and has disk and network working, he can compile a fresh kernel by himself.`
`23:35.26`	`blackelf`	`Azar: entire unstable is too unstable. I use 2.6.19.x in testing`
`23:35.34`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: however .. your idea defeats the idea of "Debian Stable"`
`23:35.38`	`PcDark`	`why is this wireless so dumb on linux!`
`23:35.44`	`PcDark`	`It works GREAT on microsoft`
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`23:35.50`	`blackelf`	`jelly-home: yes, that is what we finally did. After half-hour explaining how to via phone`
`23:35.52`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: did you paste your interfaces file ?`
`23:36.00`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: I run stable + custom kernel on servers all the time.`
`23:36.04`	`Azar`	`blackelf: that what you have been all along told: you have the "choice" to use/or compile the kernel of your likes`
`23:36.06`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: it was ment for debian testing`
`23:36.09`	`ska_ska_`	`PcDark, it works fine on Debian too`
`23:36.12`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: sure .. for security reasons is one thing ...`
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`23:36.28`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: but technically the same thing`
`23:36.33`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: not even close`
`23:36.35`	`blackelf`	`Azar: yeap, that was what we did fianlly. I was just curious would it be possible to simplify that process for others in need`
`23:36.49`	`marinosi`	`everytime i compile a kernel my clock goes in future at 2052 or more ( :-P ) and when i correct it and i try to recompile kernel i get clock skew detected warnings...what is that?`
`23:36.51`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: if you're capable of compiling a kenrel for security reasons .. you don't need blackelf's silly workaround`
`23:36.53`	`Azar`	`blackelf: those in need sit nice with the stable version`
`23:37.05`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: well, yes. :-)`
`23:37.19`	`blackelf`	`Azar: on debian stable his video,audio and probably wifi do not work at all`
`23:37.25`	`Azar`	`..like me`
`23:37.25`	`PcDark`	`I can't`
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`23:37.27`	`PcDark`	`it has no internet`
`23:37.35`	`blackelf`	`intell i915 / audio rev 4 laptop`
`23:37.36`	`Azar`	`blackelf: then he can go up to using etch`
`23:37.51`	`blackelf`	`on etch audio do not work (but yes - better ;)`
`23:37.59`	`blackelf`	`well ok anyhow`
`23:38.03`	`Azar`	`etch is "almost" there and many by now say it is "usable" and fairly stable`
`23:38.08`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: go tell the kernel devs .. stop arguing with us`
`23:38.09`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: you could have remotely logged in and built it yourself, or built it at your side and let him download finished debs.`
`23:38.22`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: at least tell us what it says ...`
`23:38.22`	`blackelf`	`how about a program to automaticly download correct kernel image, confgure and build it?`
`23:38.31`	`abrotman`	`how about .. shut up already ...`
`23:38.37`	`Azar`	`lol`
`23:38.44`	`jelly-home`	`There's no reason to build the kernel on the same machine as it's run on.`
`23:38.44`	`blackelf`	`abrotman: the miricle of /ignore, try it`
`23:38.48`	`PcDark`	`it doesn't say ANYTHING wrong`
`23:38.54`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: then noone would be listening to you :)`
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`23:39.07`	`marinosi`	`http://rafb.net/p/RtmnCj12.html what is that?`
`23:39.18`	`PcDark`	`All it says is unresolved connections`
`23:39.28`	`abrotman`	`marinosi: "date" .. what time is it ?`
`23:39.49`	`marinosi`	`abrotman, it has the correct time...i ve set it before in bios`
`23:39.51`	`blackelf`	`I wonder if ubuntu devels are also so quick to stop all fresh ideas how to improve`
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`23:40.01`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: YOU'RE TELLING THE WRONG PEOPLE`
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`23:40.13`	`Azar`	`blackelf: if you or a "poor" other would do a strong research on their PC hardware then research kernels that would support it, from the start will know exactly which kernel version / and linux distro they could optimally use`
`23:40.14`	`abrotman`	`i told you umpteen times .. tell the kernel devs`
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`23:40.49`	`blackelf`	`Azar: yeah. do you know good pages about that problem?`
`23:41.01`	`Azar`	`blackelf: yep a great one too: google`
`23:41.14`	`blackelf`	`Azar: google doesnt know a GOOD page on that subject`
`23:41.17`	`jelly-home`	`blackelf: what he meant is, you'll have to do your own research and write one.`
`23:41.23`	`blackelf`	`except linuxprinting, but its just printers`
`23:41.28`	`Azar`	`blackelf: then you got no skills`
`23:41.51`	`blackelf`	`good as in - no work or skills needed to get the info`
`23:41.57`	`PcDark`	`im rebooting`
`23:42.00`	`Azar`	`blackelf: be honest, no other channel on irc would pamper you like we here do`
`23:42.02`	`PcDark`	`maybe it'll work then :/`
`23:42.14`	`abrotman`	`okay ...`
`23:42.20`	`mfrisch`	`sometime its good a thin long wire connects us all`
`23:42.27`	`abrotman`	`two cans ...`
`23:43.05`	`blackelf`	`Azar: if actuall discussion is too much for you then simply type /ignore blackelf* raf256*`
`23:43.21`	`abrotman`	`blackelf: everyone has asked you to stop`
`23:43.25`	`Azar`	`nah, I just got tired, I will take a long movie break`
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`23:43.49`	`mfrisch`	`blackelf: ubuntu is good at ONE thing desktops.`
`23:43.50`	`abrotman`	`what was that about .. i thought he was on a different machine ...`
`23:43.50`	`blackelf`	`yes, all 651 people did.`
`23:44.00`	`abrotman`	`tard`
`23:44.28`	`PcDark`	`k time to try stupid networking AGAIN`
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`23:44.46`	`PcDark`	`abrotman`
`23:44.55`	`PcDark`	`can you show me the default /etc/networking/interfaces`
`23:44.56`	`PcDark`	`the last line`
`23:45.02`	`PcDark`	`like with all the dhcp inet etc`
`23:45.03`	`twobitsprite`	`hmm... so I just apt-got mysql-server mysql-client... but /etc/init.d/mysql start doesn't start anything...`
`23:45.04`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: mine is different than yours`
`23:45.05`	`PcDark`	`what does it say`
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`23:45.26`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: iface <interface> inet dhcp`
`23:45.30`	`twobitsprite`	`is there anything interesting I need to do to get mysql to start?`
`23:45.33`	`abrotman`	`PcDark: wireless-essid <ESSID>`
`23:45.42`	`karmatronic`	`sounds familiar ...`
`23:45.51`	`karmatronic`	`hi there`
`23:46.19`	`karmatronic`	`twobitsprite, give a password to root`
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`23:46.28`	`abrotman`	`or check the mysql logs ?`
`23:46.46`	`dirkson`	`With Debian, can I ssh into the install environment? I need to install to a box that doesn't have any sort of useable graphics out.`
`23:47.02`	`blackelf`	`dirkson: yes there is option in advanced install mode to start sshd`
`23:47.03`	`cureless`	`dirkson: you can use serial`
`23:47.13`	`mnuhmnuh`	`twobitsprite: cd /usr/share/doc/mysql-server`
`23:47.32`	`dirkson`	`cureless, How?`
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`23:47.42`	`abrotman`	`dirkson: you'd need a serial cable and a console`
`23:47.44`	`dirkson`	`blackelf, But can I access that without being able to see it?`
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`23:47.54`	`twobitsprite`	`mnuhmnuh: all I have is a changelog`
`23:47.55`	`dirkson`	`abrotman, cureless, Don't have the equipment.`
`23:48.03`	`Pc_Dark`	`grr`
`23:48.05`	`abrotman`	`dirkson: then you might have to fumble through the ssh part`
`23:48.09`	`Pc_Dark`	`it won't work and its really ticking me off :/`
`23:48.10`	`cureless`	`dirkson: maybe you can borrow a cable from somewhere`
`23:48.17`	`stranger_stone`	this is strange :\| i don`t have sound here i have sound ... dont have sound now i don`t have nathing only the toten lol
`23:48.17`	`blackelf`	`dirkson: dunno; perhaps you need "bindly" to enter correct keys to luch sshd`
`23:48.44`	`MsgToThePpl`	`hi, i've a problem : can't set volume for 5.1 speaker (works only the master volume) card:sb live 24: snd_ca0106`
`23:48.45`	`jelly-home`	`wait wait wait`
`23:48.46`	`blackelf`	`stranger_stone: remove the cat from speakers cable`
`23:49.01`	`stranger_stone`	`what cat?`
`23:49.07`	`karmatronic`	`Pc_Dark, if you really need it , put a script in bootmisc.sh`
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`23:49.09`	`dirkson`	`cureless, Bah, from where?`
`23:49.22`	`Pc_Dark`	`finally`
`23:49.28`	`cureless`	`everybody should own a serial cable`
`23:49.29`	`dirkson`	`blackelf, abrotman, Aye. Any instructions you know of to do that?`
`23:49.35`	`cureless`	`(null modem)`
`23:49.36`	`abrotman`	`install guide`
`23:49.47`	`abrotman`	`Pc_Dark: got it ?`
`23:49.55`	`cureless`	`dirkson: don't know, where are you? if you're at some institution they might have one at the IT department.`
`23:50.00`	`blackelf`	`dirkson: in debian install look for options to enter expert (advanced) mode, write down keys to start sshd then repeat them blindly`
`23:50.01`	`Pc_Dark`	`yeah`
`23:50.04`	`christiane`	`abrotman, cilkay: I must have done something wrong first creating the symlink. I did it agai and now postfix stores mail in the new folder. Thank you.`
`23:50.04`	`Pc_Dark`	`thanks a lot abrotman :)`
`23:50.08`	`abrotman`	`enjoy`
`23:50.27`	`jelly-home`	`serial consoles are great goodness`
`23:50.31`	`Pc_Dark`	`k rebooting, gonna see if it RC's`
`23:50.32`	`mnuhmnuh`	`twobitsprite: I have six files and an example/ directory.`
`23:50.45`	`cureless`	`dirkson: you can also buy one at a nearby electronics store (they're relatively cheap). Or if you have the parts you can make one yourself. They're really useful for debugging, specially machines with no graphical output. How else would you debug them otherwise?`
`23:51.00`	`js_`	`how can i make usre the initrd for my custom kernel has the proper modules included?`
`23:51.06`	`alex_ndc`	`Hi, I am having problems installing apache2 in Debian Etch ... is anyone else experiencing this ? (and adding insult to injury, my experience with Linux is pretty limited)`
`23:51.17`	`cureless`	`dirkson: you can also install in a separate machine then move the hard drive.`
`23:51.22`	`abrotman`	`alex_ndc: errors are helpful`
`23:51.26`	`ofer0`	`alex_ndc, what's the problem ?`
`23:51.32`	`cureless`	`dirkson: or install with a graphics card in, then remove the graphics card.`
`23:51.39`	`cilkay`	`christiane: You're welcome, though I'm not sure what I did :) You should still redirect all mail to root to another non-privileged account. Delivering to root is a security risk and can also be used for denial of service attacks (just spam root until you exhaust all disk space).`
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`23:51.58`	`ofer0`	`heh, it's like 20 people come here every day with the same problems in apache2 @ Etch. maybe we should write an FAQ or something`
`23:52.05`	`alex_ndc`	`abrotman: first it complained about missing apache2.conf, and when I linked httpd.conf to apache2.conf now I get ... ..no listening sockets available, shutting down`
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`23:52.21`	`abrotman`	`alex_ndc: is seomthing already listening on port 80 ?`
`23:52.24`	`jelly-home`	`!apache2 etch`
`23:52.36`	`karmatronic`	`jelly, i agree`
`23:52.44`	`jelly-home`	`:-)`
`23:52.47`	`stranger_stone`	`is done o0 0o puffffffff :x this 64 bits really are giving work lol :X`
`23:52.51`	`marinosi`	`Everytime i reboot my laptop with etch , it changes the clock..it goes in future and changes the timestamps...what could be wrong?could that be a broken acpi?`
`23:52.52`	`ofer0`	`alex_ndc, netstat -lntp`
`23:52.53`	`alex_ndc`	`abrotman: no, I don't thinks so, but how can I find that out ?`
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`23:52.55`	`alex_ndc`	`ok`
`23:52.59`	`dirkson`	`cureless, Hah. I'm home, don't have an in at anyplace that would have them. I'll look them up, though; I have a machine I'm /sure/ I'll need them on. Which electronics store might have them?`
`23:53.03`	`fleischwurst`	`good night everyone`
`23:53.16`	`karmatronic`	`marinosi, if you go into the future , could you tell us what will happen them`
`23:53.18`	`karmatronic`	`?`
`23:53.21`	`dirkson`	`cureless, It's a sparc. It might eat my head if I tried to install a sane graphics card`
`23:53.31`	`alex_ndc`	`abrotman: nobody is listening on port 80`
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`23:53.35`	`dirkson`	`blackelf, Clever thinking. Will do!`
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`23:53.54`	`Deepa`	`i got my backup disk as NTFS... big mistake`
`23:53.56`	`karmatronic`	`alex_ndc, maybe ports are all commented in ports.conf`
`23:53.58`	`alex_ndc`	`ofer0: I executed that, and port 80 doesn't appear in the list`
`23:53.58`	`jelly-home`	`dirkson: which sparc?`
`23:54.05`	`twobitsprite`	`hmm... the mysql-server doesn't install a mysqld anywhere`
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`23:54.09`	`abrotman`	`alex_ndc: what's in your ports.conf ?`
`23:54.11`	`ofer0`	`alex_ndc, care to share ?`
`23:54.13`	`cureless`	`dirkson: hahaha, true. Most "electronics" stores have them. I don't know if "best buy" will have one. But stores like Fry's do. Otherwise small electronics stores. Look in your yellow pages or google.`
`23:54.15`	`PcDark`	`yeah this comp sucks :P`
`23:54.19`	`Deepa`	`is there any way i can make a partition like... after i installed windows so i can install debian without removing windows :p?`
`23:54.23`	`dirkson`	`jelly-home, Sparc Ultra 30. Old, slow, but it was $5 with keyboard and mouse.`
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`23:54.28`	`alex_ndc`	`abrotman: I have the line ... Listen 80`
`23:54.33`	`cilkay`	`marinosi: you must be dual-booting with Windows. Etch is probably thinking that your HW clock is set to GMT.`
`23:54.34`	`PcDark`	`YES!`
`23:54.35`	`cureless`	`dirkson: you can also (obviously) order them online, if you have the time.`
`23:54.38`	`PcDark`	`it reconnects when I reboot`
`23:54.48`	`karmatronic`	`PcDark, just put the instructions in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh`
`23:54.54`	`pstickne`	`Deepa, Partition Magic is a great program of changing partition setups; however, it's a Commercial product`
`23:55.01`	`dirkson`	`cureless, Gotcha. I'll likely do that. They're just named "serial cables"? Any instructions on making them go?`
`23:55.02`	`jelly-home`	`dirkson: does it have 25 pin D-connector serial ports?`
`23:55.15`	`cureless`	`dirkson: what you want is a null modem.`
`23:55.23`	`Deepa`	`pstickne: does it use a license key?`
`23:55.26`	`jelly-home`	`dirkson: labelled "A" and "B" :-)`
`23:55.34`	`Nazcafan`	`does anyone use gftp ?`
`23:55.41`	`cureless`	`dirkson: it's basically a "cross over" serial cable. Sometimes you buy an "adapter" that does the cross over for normal serial cables.`
`23:55.50`	`karmatronic`	`Nazcafan, yeah`
`23:55.50`	`dirkson`	`jelly-home, Maybe? There are three 25 pin ports on the back.`
`23:55.55`	`pstickne`	`Deepa, I do not know. It's a commercial/non-free product though.`
`23:55.58`	`abrotman`	`uhm ...`
`23:55.59`	`dirkson`	`jelly-home, Yes! LAbelled "A" and "B" : )`
`23:56.04`	`abrotman`	`dirkson: do you have a Serial port ?`
`23:56.10`	`Deepa`	`but if it is, then i might have a legal version of it :D`
`23:56.12`	`Deepa`	`does it run on windows?`
`23:56.20`	`dirkson`	`abrotman, I'm not sure. What does it look like?`
`23:56.24`	`Nazcafan`	`karmatronic: today gftp refuses to include all the subdirs/subfiles, when I download a folder, it omits some files`
`23:56.25`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: he has. It's an oldish ultrasparc.`
`23:56.25`	`abrotman`	`9pin`
`23:56.27`	`pstickne`	`Deepa, however, if your windows partition doesn't take up the whole disk or you are willing to use one of the setups that use a virtual partition on a FAT/NT FS...`
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`23:56.36`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: and no monitor ?`
`23:56.36`	`cureless`	`you can have 25 pin serial ports.`
`23:56.46`	`cureless`	`Don't know if old sparcs use them though`
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`23:56.50`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: serial is 25 pin and wrong gender though`
`23:56.50`	`pstickne`	`Deepa, it only runs on windows (and via boot utility)`
`23:56.52`	`abrotman`	`cureless: i realize that .. it's unlikely`
`23:56.56`	`jelly-home`	`cureless: they do.`
`23:56.58`	`francesco`	`hi. i need to rebuild sid's xen kernel, patching a file. does anybody have any useful pointer?`
`23:57.01`	`Deepa`	`i'm gonna have it split 30-70`
`23:57.07`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: are you sure that's not a parallel port ?`
`23:57.14`	`Deepa`	`i just want to install debian without having to remove all my files :P`
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`23:57.29`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: there's one parallel and two serials. The serials are labelled "A" and "B".`
`23:57.38`	`abrotman`	`and 25pin ?`
`23:57.41`	`jelly-home`	`yup`
`23:57.47`	`dirkson`	`abrotman, jelly-home, Yup ^.^`
`23:57.48`	`jelly-home`	`standard for Sun.`
`23:57.49`	`h3sp4wn`	`at least on E250 E450 etc`
`23:58.09`	`cureless`	`dirkson: in that case you might need a null modem adapter.`
`23:58.15`	`jelly-home`	`they use RJ45 for serial on newer machines.`
`23:58.20`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: depends on the age of the sun`
`23:58.25`	`dirkson`	`cureless, SSH won't work?`
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`23:58.31`	`cureless`	`dirkson: try that first.`
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`23:58.34`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: this one's just the right age!`
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`23:58.38`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`23:58.46`	`cureless`	`dirkson: how about getting a video card on ebay?`
`23:58.51`	`abrotman`	`or the trash`
`23:59.02`	`christiane`	`Another question: What is an appropriate way to authenticate users accessing an nfs export?`
`23:59.07`	`dirkson`	`cureless, But ssh works /now/, no? : )`
`23:59.21`	`cureless`	`dirkson: I've never installed using ssh, so I wouldn't know.`
`23:59.27`	`abrotman`	`dirkson: it's possible`
`23:59.32`	`jelly-home`	`dirkson: you'll need a null-modem adapter, and probably some adapters to make it fit to Sun's 25 pin female Serial port.`
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`23:59.40`	`abrotman`	`dirkson: you'd have to do it blindly .. you might want to do it on a machine with a monitor first`
`23:59.46`	`exobyte_`	`If I do "foo \|\| ( bar ; baz )" will foo be executed, then, if foo fails, bar and baz will be executed?`
`23:59.50`	`abrotman`	`!ig`
`23:59.50`	`dpkg`	`install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box`
`23:59.50`	`dirkson`	`abrotman, I intend to : )`
`23:59.56`	`mfrisch`	`when you ssh in what starts the install`

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