| 00:00.06 | cureless | exobyte: yes |
| 00:00.06 | twobitsprite | exobyte_: looks right to me... |
| 00:00.09 | MsgToThePpl | hi i actually use kernel 2.6.82-686 what i need to update to 2.6.19.2 ? (apart kernel sources ^_^) ? |
| 00:00.28 | cureless | exobyte: some things will execute bar/baz regardless. |
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| 00:00.45 | cureless | exobyte: check with your shell to make sure it short-circuits |
| 00:00.56 | abrotman | dirkson: you could also try FAI |
| 00:00.57 | dirkson | jelly-home, cureless, abrotman, I've always wanted to try debian. I never dreamed this is how my first taste would be :D |
| 00:01.00 | dirkson | abrotman, FAI? |
| 00:01.04 | jelly-home | MsgToThePpl: if you know how to compile it, nothing more. You might want to create deb packages for your new custom kernel. |
| 00:01.09 | twobitsprite | exobyte_: if you're running a sane shell, it should work... i.e. bash or zsh |
| 00:01.09 | abrotman | !fai |
| 00:01.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 00:01.25 | jelly-home | dirkson: try a machine with a working console the next time :-F :-) |
| 00:01.25 | twobitsprite | cureless: what shells don't shot cuircut? |
| 00:01.27 | abrotman | dirkson: and i've never used it .. but it might do what you want |
| 00:01.44 | jerry | we plan to launch a retirement home project for old geeks - :) |
| 00:01.48 | cureless | twobitsprite: I don't know all shells, but some programing languages don't. |
| 00:01.49 | dirkson | jelly-home, Do you happen to know if the sparc install is 64 bit? |
| 00:01.52 | dirkson | abrotman, Gotcha |
| 00:02.05 | jelly-home | dirkson: etch? it should be. |
| 00:02.15 | twobitsprite | cureless: I would imagine that any sane shell would work that way |
| 00:02.19 | mfrisch | dirkson: how much like kickstart is it? |
| 00:02.29 | dirkson | mfrisch, Kickstart? |
| 00:02.36 | dirkson | mfrisch, Solaris Jumpstart?? |
| 00:02.58 | abrotman | mfrisch: you mean FAI ? |
| 00:02.59 | jelly-home | dirkson: ultrasparcs usually run a 64bit kernel and mostly 32bit userspace. |
| 00:03.01 | dirkson | jelly-home, Okie, thank ye'. |
| 00:03.04 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.05 | mfrisch | dirkson: RH4 started kickstart automated installs |
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| 00:03.12 | _ericb | hi all |
| 00:03.12 | dirkson | jelly-home, Ahhh, gotcha. |
| 00:03.25 | jelly-home | MsgToThePpl: which debian release are you using? |
| 00:03.30 | MsgToThePpl | sarge |
| 00:03.32 | dirkson | mfrisch, Ahhh. Dunno, myself : ) I've never tinkered with automated installs |
| 00:04.15 | mfrisch | dirkson: fai is the only option for debian right? |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | !dpyhs |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | !dphys |
| 00:04.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dphys is http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/, or http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys-kernel-packages/ we build kernels with patched in supermount,sk98lin v2,nvnet for p1-1gb p1-smp-1gb p3-1gb p3-smp-1gb p3-smp-4gb p4-1gb p4-4gb p4-smp-4gb p4-smp-64gb k7-1gb k7-4gb k7-64gb k7-smp-4gb k7-smp-64gb and modules for 3w-9xxx, NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-7174, alsa-driver-1.0.10, openafs-1.4.0, ... |
| 00:04.28 | jelly-home | MsgToThePpl: if you compile in every driver needed to boot your machine, you won't need any of that. |
| 00:04.34 | abrotman | oh .. no sparc .. tarzeau is a slacker |
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| 00:04.47 | jelly-home | MsgToThePpl: why do you want 2.6.19 anyway? |
| 00:04.58 | dirkson | mfrisch, I dunno why you're asking me; I'm a Debian noob : ) Never ran it before in my life. |
| 00:05.07 | christiane | Or to ask more generic: What is the best way to mount parts of a remote server's fs into my own and let my users access the remote ressources with their user rights? |
| 00:05.23 | cureless | dirkson: but you picked a good initial machine to run it on didn't you? |
| 00:05.43 | jelly-home | cureless: hey, it was $5 |
| 00:06.06 | jelly-home | plus $950 at $150 hourly rate ;-) |
| 00:06.12 | dirkson | christiane, I would assume it would be to have them mounted into their home directories... But I cannot admit any expertise with mounting remote anythings : ) |
| 00:06.56 | cureless | christiane: are you looking for something like autofs/automount and nfs? |
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| 00:08.07 | dirkson | cureless, jelly-home, abrotman, mfrisch, Ok, I'm going to bring this machine down to test ssh with install. See you all later, eh? |
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| 00:08.24 | abrotman | dirkson: you wish! |
| 00:08.26 | abrotman | erm .. hope! |
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| 00:08.45 | christiane | cureless: Don't know much about automount but think it doesn't have to be *auto*. I just want to mount an nfs or cifs or whatever share into my /mnt/ so that my users can access the files (according to their rights on the remote machine where uids are the same) ... |
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| 00:09.11 | jelly-home | is this ssh install something new in etch? |
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| 00:09.21 | cureless | christiane: if it's an nfs machine and the ids are the same then that should be automatic, no magic needed. |
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| 00:10.13 | cureless | christiane: just mount server:/remotedir/ /mnt/localdir/ done (assuming the nfs server is running and set up at the other side) |
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| 00:12.43 | cilkay | christiane: are the clients Linux too? By the way, you shouldn't assume that uid 500 on machine A is the same as machine B. You could synchronize the accounts between machines but that gets to be too much hassle. You should probably set up OpenLDAP for centralized auth. |
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| 00:13.41 | exobyte_ | twobitsprite: oops- afk. thanks |
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| 00:14.22 | cilkay | christiane: regardless of if they're running Linux or not, a good approach is to use PKI and scp. With Linux, KDE has fish://, which enables you to treat remote filesystems as if they're local. With Windows, you can use WinSCP. |
| 00:14.59 | christiane | cureless: The server machine has both nfs and cifs (smbd) running. Three problems I still have to solve. When using cifs the user rights are ignored (I think I only can `mount` with one "-user" given). Using nfs I face the problems of authentication and nfs's incapability of translating file names between two encodings (iso on server and utf8 on client). cilkay: Yes, the uids are the same on both machines. |
| 00:15.00 | cilkay | christiane: it depends on what you're trying to do. If you need file locking and the usual things that a file server does, scp, or nfs for that matter, aren't going to work for you. |
| 00:15.22 | christiane | cilkay: fish:// is only available for KDE progs, I think |
| 00:15.32 | jerry | imagine ian is 80 years old - |
| 00:15.37 | cilkay | yes, in KDE dialogs. |
| 00:15.37 | christiane | cilkay: And it's f*** slow, btw. |
| 00:15.44 | cilkay | Works fine for me. |
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| 00:15.50 | cilkay | I use it across the Internet. |
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| 00:16.09 | FelipeSouza | What is "bg protection"? |
| 00:16.15 | FelipeSouza | related to wireless |
| 00:16.31 | cureless | christiane: nfs shouldn't give you authentication problems. And I don't really know about the encodings, I've never had problems with it. |
| 00:16.40 | cureless | christiane: where is the authentication failing? |
| 00:16.57 | christiane | cilkay: Across the internet it's fine ;-) (in kate for example), but accessing a LAN server never exeeds 1.5 MByte/s. |
| 00:17.40 | jelly-home | christiane: hm, could you rename all the faulty files so as to have the same encoding on both sides? |
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| 00:18.16 | christiane | cureless: Where do I know that the client connecting to the share is really the right machine? |
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| 00:18.37 | cureless | christiane: you trust the ip address. |
| 00:19.08 | cureless | cureless: some newer nfs's support extra stuff, you might not want to go there (or might not be able to) |
| 00:19.12 | jelly-home | there's also nfs4 and Kerberos (which I've never tried and don't know how well it works) |
| 00:19.43 | christiane | cureless, jelly-home: How can I trust an IP address??? |
| 00:20.04 | cureless | christiane: are you asking theoretically or practically? |
| 00:20.17 | jelly-home | christiane: you implicitely trust that the access from a particular ip is ok. |
| 00:20.38 | christiane | jelly-home: Yes, I could change the server's locale to UTF-8, but I'll have to do it on a free weekend to check if it affects other things there (php scripts, unison syncs to other servers ...) |
| 00:20.47 | christiane | cureless: practically. |
| 00:21.08 | cureless | christiane: just set those ips as allowed in the /etc/exports |
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| 00:22.21 | SerajewelKS | is the bcm43xx driver well-supported for 4306 cards in 2.6.18? |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | the website is down |
| 00:22.54 | SerajewelKS | when i use it, as opposed to ndiswrapper, every wap i use seems flaky, like it's dropping packets randomly. |
| 00:22.54 | stranger_stone | look's the my soundcard and the bios soundcard make my sound gets cruisel here lol :| |
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| 00:24.04 | christiane | cureless, jelly-home: So if I assume my environment is not safe against IP spoofing I have to build my own protection (like creating an OpenVPN and export only to its IP) or have a look at kerberos, right? |
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| 00:24.46 | cureless | christiane: you probably wont need kerberos if you use a vpn. |
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| 00:25.00 | rhsanborn | There is a slick cli graph maker...anyone know the name? |
| 00:25.35 | cureless | rhsanborn: gnuplot? or maybe ploticus |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | dotty! |
| 00:25.35 | marinosi | Clock goes too fast in future or in past everytime i reboot and changes the timestamps...what could be wrong???? |
| 00:25.35 | rhsanborn | cureless, I'm pretty sure its gnuplot, thanks! |
| 00:26.03 | jelly-home | christiane: correct. |
| 00:26.05 | capiira | hmmm anyone know if there is a way to change that default black "X" xserver cursor ? |
| 00:26.26 | mnuhmnuh | marinosi: you're not running ntpdate? |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | capiira: yes |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | they make mouse themes |
| 00:26.57 | capiira | hmm you know a hint? |
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| 00:27.10 | abrotman | themes.org ? |
| 00:27.13 | Guerin | capiira: google has many a hint |
| 00:27.20 | Guerin | it's not as hard as you think |
| 00:27.21 | mnuhmnuh | marinosi: s/ntpdate/ntpd/ |
| 00:27.33 | capiira | because i use an application that sometimes loads that default black X as cursor |
| 00:27.41 | capiira | ok |
| 00:28.24 | capiira | motiff app |
| 00:28.49 | ofer0 | rhsanborn, use gplot until you'll get how gnuplot works. |
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| 00:29.48 | marinosi | mnuhmnuh, no...look at that please: http://rafb.net/p/RtmnCj12.html could that be a broken acpi? |
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| 00:30.23 | christiane | To avoid renaming all my files (sorry for asking again): Does anyone know a way to translate nfs shares between encodings (like smbd does)? |
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| 00:31.20 | rhsanborn | ofer0, Actually...I need to make a timeline, for which, there is another package...EasyTimeline, which I found via gplot or gnuplot |
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| 00:32.11 | mnuhmnuh | marinosi: was the date correct when you started? |
| 00:32.52 | jelly-home | capiira: are you on etch? try installing industrial-cursor-theme or take a look at what xcursor-themes package does |
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| 00:33.07 | capiira | yeah im on etch |
| 00:33.10 | capiira | let metry |
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| 00:33.21 | capiira | thx |
| 00:33.23 | saberworks | I have etch and I want to install mysql 4.1, but apt keeps forcing me to get mysql-server-5, is there a way to install 4.1? |
| 00:33.40 | marinosi | yes , i correct it every time i reboot from bios and when the system starts it changes it!and the most disturbing is that it changes timestamps and fsck's everytime i boot:SS |
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| 00:34.26 | christiane | Ok, then for the next question: When saving for example attachments from KMail to ~/something/ the files are stored 0600, creating new files in the same dir will be 0644. Where do I set this? |
| 00:34.28 | exobyte_ | does iptables support vlans? I'm having problems forwarding wan port 2222 to a remote machine (different port) on a vlan |
| 00:34.41 | jelly-home | jeez, xorg install scripts come from hell. |
| 00:34.59 | mnuhmnuh | marinosi: ACK. what's in /etc/defaults/rcS, and is your clock set UTC/GMT? |
| 00:35.24 | thestrawberry | hello i have problem with acpi under compaq presario sr1520fr and kernel 2.6 ,without changong anithing i have an fault at EIP 00000060 c01002b1 000002b0 , if i try acpi=off the boot is ok but not the shutdown , the kernel not seems to be discharging and i must use the magic syst request to reboot . if i use reboot command it works |
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| 00:36.21 | pepo_ | hi friends. |
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| 00:37.04 | pepo_ | please, How do I make a tunnel from one IPv6 address to other IPv6 address (no over IPv4) ? |
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| 00:37.07 | sanmarcos-trabaj | should a 50kilobyte uplink be enough for real-time ssh speed? (ie no lag) |
| 00:37.18 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: don't shutdown. :-) |
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| 00:38.28 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: that's what i do but it's not good for the planet |
| 00:38.38 | thestrawberry | ;) |
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| 00:39.18 | jmd | How do I set up "network profiles" in debian, so that I can use my laptop at different offices? |
| 00:39.29 | jerry | we plan to launch a retirement home project for old geeks - :) |
| 00:39.30 | lifeforms | Hi, I'm trying to install debian-testing on a fairly recent mainboard, but the CDrom/SATA disks are not recognized by the installer; are there netinst iso's based on a newer kernel? |
| 00:39.53 | jmd | lifeforms: Newer than what ? |
| 00:39.55 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: my boot says "ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old". I don't miss it. |
| 00:40.20 | lifeforms | jmd: I downloaded an iso that is using 2.6.17-2-486, and it seems from google groups that I need a pata driver which is new in 2.6.19 |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: if you're lucky .. jus tdon't cat anything big :) |
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| 00:40.41 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: it's from 2005 (phoenix) |
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| 00:41.50 | dirkson | Ok, I give. How do I get the installer to use SSH? |
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| 00:42.06 | bronaugh | who's the icedove maintainer? |
| 00:42.10 | bronaugh | I want to kill him/her/it. |
| 00:42.11 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: and there no bios update from the constructor |
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| 00:42.19 | bronaugh | sigsegv. |
| 00:42.23 | jmd | lifeforms: So far as I'm aware, that's the latest iso image but you could upgrade kernels after you've installed. |
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| 00:42.58 | Bogus8 | is there a net install for testing ? |
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| 00:43.20 | bronaugh | yes. |
| 00:43.35 | corp | is there a debian package of svn with ssl support? |
| 00:43.40 | lifeforms | jmd: I'd agree, but the debian installer cannot find the cdrom, nor the network driver.. what would you do in a case like this? |
| 00:43.55 | lifeforms | the network interface, I mean |
| 00:43.58 | dirkson | Does anyone know how to make the install environment use ssh? |
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| 00:43.59 | Bogus8 | bronaugh: i'm assuming you were talking to me... where is it? |
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| 00:44.25 | bronaugh | Bogus8: no clue why this started. as of today, whenever I try to start Icedove it simply segfaults. |
| 00:44.30 | mnuhmnuh | I thought reboot nowadays called shutdown. Is that incorrect? |
| 00:44.42 | bronaugh | I tried moving .mozilla-thunderbird to another location and tried to start it.... still segfaults. |
| 00:44.47 | christiane | How can I tell `convmv` to stay on one file system? |
| 00:44.48 | Bogus8 | bronaugh: sorry.. I thought you were answering me :) |
| 00:44.52 | bronaugh | so I'm not sure what the hell's going on. |
| 00:44.59 | bronaugh | Bogus8: oh. yeah, there is. |
| 00:45.10 | jmd | lifeforms: Bummer! In the past, I've compiled a module for the network interface on another machine, and moved it across by floppy disk. |
| 00:45.10 | bronaugh | let me link you. |
| 00:45.15 | Bogus8 | bronaugh: you know where it is? |
| 00:45.20 | Bogus8 | thanks |
| 00:45.22 | cybefra_ | how can i make a netinstall cd customizzate with the ndiswrapper inside? |
| 00:45.26 | darkarcon2015 | if i have a question about postgresql in debian, should i ask here or in the postgres channel? |
| 00:45.32 | bronaugh | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:47.10 | sanmarcos-trabaj | abrotman, what do you mean if I am lucky? |
| 00:47.20 | dirkson | abrotman, Do you happen to remember how to make debian boot an SSHD environment for the install? |
| 00:47.38 | dirkson | *boot sshd for the install enviroment |
| 00:47.40 | ttick_ | what kernel is 2.6-686 right now? 2.6.17? |
| 00:47.41 | lifeforms | jmd: thanks, I'll try that.. hopefully then I can do a net install without needing the CDrom.. |
| 00:48.25 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: on sarge, reboot's a symlink to /sbin/halt. compare "man {shutdown,halt}"? |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | dirkson: i'd have to grab a netinst and muck with it |
| 00:48.38 | abrotman | dirkson: if you can wait a bit .. i'll try it |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: that's not exactly speedy |
| 00:48.58 | dirkson | abrotman, I'll tinker while I wait. I'm just not seeing any options documented to let me. |
| 00:49.13 | sanmarcos-trabaj | abrotman, for a home dsl connection, an uplink of 512k is not speedy?, do you live in japan? |
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| 00:49.32 | sanmarcos-trabaj | abrotman, this is the US of A, second world. That is IMHO *very average to good* |
| 00:49.35 | abrotman | dirkson: okay |
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| 00:49.53 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: i go to see that but i don't think that will resolv |
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| 00:50.01 | sanmarcos-trabaj | abrotman, what connection do you have? |
| 00:50.14 | Bogus8 | is there a way to see which version a computer is running sarge vs etch? |
| 00:50.27 | bronaugh | so many bugs against icedove |
| 00:50.35 | SerajewelKS | Bogus8: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:50.38 | Draconicus | I swear I installed this neat 3D, open GL file manager that supposedly lets you fly through file trees and stuff. I never got a chance to try it, and I can't remember the name. Now I can't even find it in apt again. |
| 00:50.50 | Bogus8 | SerajewelKS: cool thanks! |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: cable |
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| 00:53.02 | oFF-beAt | need to set enviroment variable for java it's ~/java_home/jdk_XXX/bin/ |
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| 00:53.23 | sanmarcos-trabaj | abrotman, speeds |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: NFC |
| 00:53.35 | oFF-beAt | i did it with mandriva.. after switching to ubuntu.. the way it worked in mandriva didn;t seem to work in ubuntu |
| 00:53.52 | sanmarcos-trabaj | !nfc |
| 00:53.53 | dpkg | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 00:53.55 | sanmarcos-trabaj | ah |
| 00:54.11 | mnuhmnuh | oFF-beAt: export JAVA_HOME=/home/you/java_home/jdk_XXX/bin |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | dirkson: under the Load Installer Components from CD |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | dirkson: however .. i bet if you read the install guide .. there's a way to pass that to start immediately |
| 00:54.44 | oFF-beAt | PATH=$PATH:$HOME/java_home/jdk1.5.0_09/bin export PATH this is what i have set in profile |
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| 00:54.51 | darkarcon2015 | hello, i am trying to install the pgsql.so extension for php4 in debian and it doesnt seem to be working (phpinfo() doesnt show anything about postgres) |
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| 00:55.21 | mnuhmnuh | oFF-beAt: bad idea. It doesn't go in PATH var. |
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| 00:55.34 | dirkson | abrotman, "Load installer components"?? Where's this? |
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| 00:55.54 | darkarcon2015 | i have installed the php4-pgsql deb and still nothing; i have also made sure that the extension is being loaded in php.ini and made sure that the extension exists in the right folder |
| 00:56.00 | darkarcon2015 | is there something special that i need to do? |
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| 00:56.10 | oFF-beAt | mnuhmnuh, y not.. seemed to work fine in mandriva |
| 00:56.14 | oFF-beAt | but not in ubuntu |
| 00:56.19 | oFF-beAt | what's the diff. ? |
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| 00:56.45 | abrotman | dirkson: expert26 .. about five down |
| 00:56.56 | dirkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.28 | mnuhmnuh | oFF-beAt: something wants to use $JAVA_HOME (or whatever it is) by itself, not as PATH lookup. |
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| 00:57.54 | marinosi | is there any way to change the cpu frequency "on the fly"?i have an intel c2 duo with intel speedstep and i want to maximize the clock |
| 00:58.00 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: i try with -H -P |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | dirkson: and like i said .. i bet there's a way to turn that on without walking through the menus |
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| 00:58.18 | glLoadIdentity | hi all, is there mod_mono for sarge anywhere ? backports.org does not seem to provide mod_mono.. |
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| 00:58.23 | oFF-beAt | one more thing.. how do i rerun profile without restartin?? i always restart the pc |
| 00:58.28 | oFF-beAt | i know there would b a better way |
| 00:58.30 | sanmarcos-trabaj | glLoadIdentity, I dont think so, Update if you want that |
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| 00:58.53 | abrotman | like debian-installer/openssh-server=on or something |
| 00:58.55 | sr0zzz | what is the application name for the 'debian-installer'? ;/ |
| 00:59.19 | smimp | oFF-beAt: think you can just do source ~/.bashrc or /etc/profile (works on other distros) |
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| 00:59.59 | Xorm | haha wtf |
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| 01:02.33 | cwheeler | anyone know the params for the joystick module for major and minor dev or where I can find them? I've got the numbers but I don't know how to pass them. |
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| 01:03.53 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm just getting an error message saying it's not there when I try to run the expert26 kernel |
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| 01:08.23 | smimp | cwheeler: talking about mknod /dev/input/js0 c 13 0 ? |
| 01:08.56 | cwheeler | no, how do I tell the module what major,minor numbers to use |
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| 01:09.10 | cwheeler | major.h uses 15 for the joystick not 13 |
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| 01:09.24 | cwheeler | possibly explaining why it doesn't work |
| 01:09.45 | smimp | cwheeler: got me.. thats all i remember.. havent used a joystick on a box in years |
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| 01:10.09 | cwheeler | any guess where i might find it? looked in lots of docs |
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| 01:10.29 | abrotman | dirkson: sparc doesn't ahve 2.6 iirc |
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| 01:11.01 | abrotman | dirkson: expert should work just as well |
| 01:11.16 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: shutdown -P doesn't work , the keyboard's light climbing but no shutdown |
| 01:11.45 | dirkson | Gotcha! |
| 01:11.47 | cwheeler | oh actually it's not using the wrong number |
| 01:11.58 | cwheeler | but who knows it might help, kernel can' |
| 01:12.12 | cwheeler | can't find the device even though the module is loaded |
| 01:12.18 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm getting the same error message with "expert" |
| 01:12.23 | Halitherses | how can I determine my domain name? |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | dirkson: where are you typing this ? how can you see this ? |
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| 01:13.05 | bronaugh | KTA |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:13.14 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: what's "keyboard's light climbing" mean?!? |
| 01:13.15 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm testing on another sparc box that /does/ have a vga out : ) I'm typing after having typed "boot cdrom", and a prompt called "boot" pops up |
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| 01:14.03 | abrotman | dirkson: you're going to have to glance at the sparc install guide and see how to get it into expert mode |
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| 01:14.16 | smimp | cwheeler: just plugged one in (on ubuntu though) ls on js0 returns crw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 13, 0 2007-01-15 19:11 /dev/input/js0 and the module i'm using is jiydev, which has no deps.. which type of joystick |
| 01:14.25 | thestrawberry | blinking mnuhmnuh sorry |
| 01:14.39 | dirkson | abrotman, What is Debian "etch"? |
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| 01:14.58 | abrotman | the hopefully soon to be released next release of stable |
| 01:14.59 | cwheeler | jiydev is for your joystick smimp ? |
| 01:15.02 | abrotman | dirkson: which installer are you using? |
| 01:15.09 | smimp | cwheeler: joydev |
| 01:15.14 | dirkson | abrotman, Stable net install |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:15.37 | cwheeler | i have a sidewinder |
| 01:15.54 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: if i use the halt -f is this will be a clean stop |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | dirkson: you can also preseed the install |
| 01:16.12 | cwheeler | when i run jstest /dev/js0 I get "No such device" which means the kernel can't find the driver? |
| 01:16.29 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: Ah. Could it be you've some misbehaving hardware? I'd check /var/log/messages and compare shutdown & reboot messages. |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | dirkson: and in your case .. preseeding might be the way to go |
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| 01:17.26 | dirkson | abrotman, Aye. I am not finding a whole lot about expert and sparc |
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| 01:17.46 | smimp | cwheeler: does /dev/js0 exist? |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | dirkson: i can't imagine it owuldn't exist |
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| 01:18.06 | cwheeler | yes js0 is 13,0 |
| 01:18.12 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: I don't like halt. I like clean shutdowns, with fs's marked clean. Makes boot faster. |
| 01:18.16 | sr0zzz | what is the command to invoke the installer from the cli? |
| 01:18.22 | cwheeler | you get "device file not found" if it doesn't exist |
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| 01:18.28 | smimp | got me, sorry i'm not more help |
| 01:18.30 | NetGangsta | Hi, there how can i setup a identd for my psybnc , eggdrop on my vps? |
| 01:19.14 | cwheeler | thanks smimp |
| 01:19.23 | dirkson | abrotman, I' |
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| 01:19.44 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm seeing record of people doing it... But the exact same commands are doing /nada/ but error messages on my system. |
| 01:20.01 | dirkson | abrotman, What /is/ Debian etch? Perhaps I need this version instead? |
| 01:20.31 | karsten | !try |
| 01:20.31 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 01:20.49 | karsten | abrotman: ... unless you were referring to Perl. |
| 01:21.10 | mnuhmnuh | NetGangsta: http://www.alcyone.com/software/fauxident/ |
| 01:21.11 | dirkson | You see, just the opposite. You can try or try not... But you cannot "do" anything without trying to do it first. |
| 01:21.38 | jmd | How do I use the mapping stanza of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:21.45 | jmd | the man page is useless. |
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| 01:22.32 | abrotman | dirkson: let me look |
| 01:22.34 | pablum | tell joey hess |
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| 01:22.40 | dirkson | abrotman, Will do |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | dirkson: at the sparc installer |
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| 01:25.44 | mnuhmnuh | dirkson: Thankyou for blowing a great big hole in that silly Yoda BS. :-) |
| 01:26.07 | dirkson | mnuhmnuh, No problem at all ;) |
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| 01:26.27 | dirkson | mnuhmnuh, It's just always frustrated me... And no one seems to agree with my views, no? |
| 01:26.50 | mnuhmnuh | dirkson: they're wrong. :-) |
| 01:27.07 | dirkson | mnuhmnuh, What, my views? |
| 01:27.09 | karmatronic | damn em2880-dvb |
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| 01:27.42 | Halitherses | I found my domain in netstat. |
| 01:27.56 | abrotman | yoda BS ? |
| 01:28.07 | mnuhmnuh | dirkson: no, *they* (those who don't agree) are wrong. or confused. |
| 01:28.15 | dirkson | mnuhmnuh, ahhh, gotcha |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | frk .. who knows how to use qemu-sparc :) |
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| 01:29.12 | mnuhmnuh | abrotman: !try |
| 01:29.19 | jelly-home | slash me doesn't |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | mnuhmnuh: piss off |
| 01:29.37 | jerry | lol |
| 01:29.56 | mnuhmnuh | abrotman: you first. |
| 01:30.20 | jelly-home | It couldn't boot a sparc netinst last time I tried, but that was maybe 2005 |
| 01:30.38 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: i don't see nothing different except message from gconfd which tell me receive signal 15 correct shutdown , exit and after re exiting on signal 15 which the finnaly must be the magic request key |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | stupid canadians |
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| 01:30.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's what i'm trying to do :) |
| 01:30.53 | jelly-home | yeah, with their flappy heads |
| 01:31.41 | mnuhmnuh | abrotman: Ad hominems? suck my toes, Yanqui! :-) |
| 01:32.05 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: i hate gconfd. |
| 01:32.12 | lastrss | Hi. Can anyone give me an ideea of what is happening. I uninstalled dhcp3-client and now the box cant seem to resolve any hostname. There is /etc/resolv.conf with proper content but it doesnt work. Any help is greatly appreciated |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | tard |
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| 01:34.00 | karmatronic | lastrss, what do you have in resolv.conf |
| 01:34.12 | vignesh | Hi |
| 01:34.13 | mnuhmnuh | lastrss: why uninstall dhcp3-client? have you replaced it with something else? |
| 01:34.34 | vignesh | I have an old Hp Brio 400 .. with 160mb of Ram and 400Mhz processor |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | jjazz: long straw |
| 01:34.54 | vignesh | will debian etch run well on it ? |
| 01:35.03 | lastrss | karmatronic i have search ispdomain.com and second line is nameserver ispnsIP |
| 01:35.08 | jjazz | abrotman: I suggested to my gf that she looked thirsty... |
| 01:35.09 | karsten | jjazz: May I suggest by way of your oral orifice? |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 01:35.31 | aliasd | is it possible to get apt to give priority to packages from a certain repo, even if the version numbers are smaller? |
| 01:35.34 | jelly-home | Subtlety, thy name is jjazz |
| 01:35.45 | lastrss | mnuhmnuh i used dhclient while i configured the server before i put it in the rack at colo center. there i have static ip addy |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 01:35.53 | dpkg | apt-pinning is probably read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 01:36.07 | jjazz | abrotman: I did buy her a nice bottle of scotch, so the lure of sampling it was added inducement. |
| 01:36.14 | thestrawberry | mnuhmnuh: thanks and good night hope someday it will stop normally |
| 01:36.16 | karmatronic | lastrss, did you try with any other dns server ? |
| 01:36.31 | vignesh | I tried installing Etch RC1 but the package installation ends up in dependency errors..What is the problem ? |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | jjazz: ask her to "get you a pen" .. "oh, and while you're up" :) |
| 01:36.54 | jerry | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.54 | aliasd | thankyou very much abrotman |
| 01:37.16 | mnuhmnuh | lastrss: ping an ip address (nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn). does that work? |
| 01:37.32 | vignesh | hello! |
| 01:37.37 | jjazz | abrotman: Actually, you know what works really well. Say to somebody who is sitting "Hey, as long as you're up..." If you do it in an exaggerated and funny way, they'll usually get up laughing and get you what you want. |
| 01:37.45 | lastrss | karmatronic yes definetly .. however the dns server i'm using is in the same rack with this box having this problem. and when i ping the ip of the dns server it replies without problem. also i have added in the dns server acl's the second box IP's so it allows dns queries |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | jjazz: you forgot the "get me a pen part" :) |
| 01:37.56 | mnuhmnuh | thestrawberry: sorry I couldn't help. |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | !tell dirkson about sparc |
| 01:38.27 | lastrss | karmatronic but it doesnt work either way |
| 01:38.47 | dirkson | abrotman, It doesn't seem to have worked |
| 01:39.03 | vignesh | hey will it work ? |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | dirkson: there may be larger issues |
| 01:39.13 | dirkson | abrotman, Nevermind, it did |
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| 01:39.18 | dirkson | abrotman, Such as what? |
| 01:39.27 | karmatronic | lastrss, when you type nslookup , what happens ? |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | dirkson: doesn't support your NIC ? |
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| 01:40.28 | dirkson | abrotman, It seems to support the one on the VGA linux box, and it's a proprietary SUN NIC |
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| 01:40.54 | jelly-home | any NIC called Happy Meal should work by definition! |
| 01:41.31 | kritical | lol |
| 01:41.38 | dirkson | jelly-home, All the NICs seem to be named happy meal. The girlfriend thought that was funny. |
| 01:42.03 | jelly-home | dirkson: the 100mbps nic of that generation, yes. |
| 01:42.13 | dirkson | Gotcha |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | dirkson: you followed the same key strokes ? |
| 01:42.25 | jelly-home | dirkson: newer gigabit ones aren't that happy |
| 01:42.33 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm still on the sighted box. |
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| 01:42.43 | abrotman | dirkson: oh .. the ssh didn't work ? |
| 01:43.01 | dirkson | abrotman, How do I make it work? I can't make expert mode go. |
| 01:43.04 | jmd | Does anyone know how to use the "mapping" option of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:43.24 | Agrajag- | anyone know what replaces php4-domxml for php5? am i supposed to use dh-make-php? |
| 01:43.26 | Guerin | jmd: apparently not |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | dirkson: hit f1 .. what are the modes ? |
| 01:43.45 | Guerin | abrotman: aptitude search php5 |grep xml |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 01:43.55 | vignesh | Hey guys.. pls reply.. |
| 01:43.59 | Guerin | abrotman: you know what I mean. |
| 01:44.06 | Guerin | Agrajag-: aptitude search php5 |grep xml |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | i do .. :) |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | !pls |
| 01:44.14 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 01:44.14 | Guerin | vignesh: reply |
| 01:44.26 | jjazz | Hmm... she came back with her scotch, sat down, took a sip, looked at me and said "Hmm... I totally forgot to get you your bourbon." |
| 01:44.37 | Guerin | jjazz: damn her! |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | jjazz: can i marry her? :) |
| 01:44.53 | Guerin | abrotman: you wouldn't rather someone who DIDN'T forget? |
| 01:44.56 | jjazz | abrotman: If you can make her get me bourbon, then yes. |
| 01:45.00 | Agrajag- | Guerin: that only gives me php5-xmlrpc which is not the same as domxml |
| 01:45.06 | jelly-home | !tell vignesh -about ask |
| 01:45.11 | Guerin | Agrajag-: then I guess you'll have to UTSL |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | Guerin: i think it's funny :) |
| 01:45.19 | jelly-home | vignesh: you'll need to be more specific |
| 01:45.21 | Budtske | q: im trying to format my raid array, it is not mounted but it says its in use by the system (im calling /dev/mapper/*array* could this be a problem) ? |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | aib: ... |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | doh! |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | it did it on its own! |
| 01:45.37 | aib | ...? |
| 01:45.38 | dirkson | abrotman, F1 does nothing. Neither does the help key. |
| 01:45.52 | jerry | morons speak always english - lol |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | dirkson: find the help screen! |
| 01:46.11 | dirkson | abrotman, By typing "help"? I did; It's non-useful |
| 01:46.22 | vignesh | jelly-home, I have an old Hp Brio 400 .. with 160mb of Ram and 400Mhz processor |
| 01:46.30 | Budtske | ...... DOH! trying to partition the drive and not the partition |
| 01:46.35 | dirkson | abrotman, I've got etch burned. You think I'll have better luck with it? |
| 01:46.36 | Budtske | thanks for not answering that |
| 01:46.52 | vignesh | I tried installing Etch RC1 but the package installation ends up in dependency errors..What is the problem ? |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | dirkson: no :) |
| 01:47.12 | jelly-home | vignesh: you'll have to pastebin those errors |
| 01:47.21 | vignesh | But the cd is ok..because it works on another system |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | dirkson: help isn't a command .. they use the F keys or they'll tell you |
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| 01:47.50 | Budtske | vignesh: that would suggest its having trouble with your hardware ? |
| 01:48.05 | vignesh | jelly-home, I tired more than 11 distros ..none installed |
| 01:48.10 | jelly-home | vignesh: could be the disc couldn't be read on this machine, or memory problems, or hd problems |
| 01:48.15 | vignesh | Budtske, yes |
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| 01:48.45 | jelly-home | vignesh: tried running memtest86+ ? |
| 01:48.48 | Budtske | vignesh: http://www.memtest86.com/ |
| 01:48.51 | vignesh | But the livecd works fine...I am currently using an ubuntu 5 |
| 01:48.59 | Budtske | hah, great minds eh jelly :> |
| 01:48.59 | vignesh | 5.04* |
| 01:49.00 | jerry | no morons allways speak german - |
| 01:49.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:49.13 | jelly-home | vignesh: oh. which cpu is it? |
| 01:49.25 | vignesh | Intel |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | dirkson: i'm going for preseeding |
| 01:49.31 | jelly-home | vignesh: which intel? |
| 01:49.46 | vignesh | celeron |
| 01:49.52 | vignesh | 400Mhz |
| 01:50.22 | mnuhmnuh | /ignore jerry |
| 01:50.23 | vignesh | is that enough to install debian? |
| 01:50.36 | jelly-home | MHz are not much help, but "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model" might be |
| 01:50.38 | Guerin | vignesh: how much ram? |
| 01:50.46 | vignesh | 160 MB |
| 01:50.46 | jelly-home | vignesh: in any case, it should be enough, yes. |
| 01:50.49 | Guerin | jjazz: it's an intel celeron 400mhz |
| 01:50.55 | Guerin | meh |
| 01:51.05 | jelly-home | Guerin: your tab key is misbehaving |
| 01:51.09 | Guerin | vignesh: plenty. go to cdimage.debian.org |
| 01:51.23 | Guerin | jelly-home: that would be my brain, actually. But nice of you to pretend. |
| 01:51.25 | Budtske | vignesh: if it has ubuntu running X right now, it can run debian |
| 01:51.32 | vignesh | I have debian Etch Rc1 |
| 01:51.45 | Budtske | if your having troubles, try going with stable |
| 01:51.53 | cilkay | vignesh: my son is running Xubuntu on a Celeron 366 w. 160M right next to me. It's fine. |
| 01:52.43 | vignesh | model name : Celeron (Mendocino) |
| 01:52.43 | vignesh | cool |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | oh no .. an italian name! |
| 01:52.48 | vignesh | Ah..nothing installs on this one.. don`t know why |
| 01:52.49 | rahul | Celeron (Tony) |
| 01:52.56 | dirkson | abrotman, The etch CD is working much, much, much better. |
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| 01:53.24 | abrotman | dirkson: okeedokee |
| 01:53.32 | cat | nice |
| 01:54.09 | cilkay | vignesh: It's an old eMachines. When we tried to install Xubuntu on the original CD-ROM, it wouldn't boot from the CD. I replaced the CD-ROM. It booted and I was able to install. |
| 01:54.17 | jelly-home | ok, that's a 686 alright. Peanuts for level2 cache, but 686 still. |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: not all celeron had L2 |
| 01:54.42 | cilkay | 400 did |
| 01:54.45 | abrotman | yes it idd |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | did |
| 01:54.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: only the first ones didn't |
| 01:54.51 | cilkay | It was the original 300 |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | up to .. 300 .. 300a had 64k or something |
| 01:55.16 | cilkay | Celeron B and on had a cache, 128k I think. |
| 01:55.22 | jelly-home | this one prolly has 128KB |
| 01:55.23 | vignesh | cilkay, I tried installing ubuntu 5.04... the first stage was over... It had problems in the second stage when it installs from the hdd |
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| 01:55.38 | Guerin | in spite of that, the overclockability of the cel300a made it one of the fastest x86 chips of its time |
| 01:56.07 | cilkay | vignesh: if it boots the live CD, it should install. |
| 01:56.08 | Budtske | vignesh: id try hooking up the harddrive to an IDE controller |
| 01:56.11 | jelly-home | vignesh: maybe your HD is dying... that would explain the livecd working |
| 01:56.23 | Guerin | i know a guy who had dual 300as running at 550mhz with no additional cooling in a high-volume internal webserver for years |
| 01:56.27 | Budtske | *pci ide controller that is! |
| 01:56.29 | vignesh | I guess... |
| 01:56.46 | jelly-home | Guerin: yeah Celeron 300@450 w00t |
| 01:56.49 | cilkay | Guerin: Abit BP6 board, quite possibly. |
| 01:57.00 | Budtske | Guerin: wasent the 300a the one famous for overclocking ? |
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| 01:57.08 | Guerin | Budtske: that's what I said. |
| 01:57.08 | vignesh | I wouldn`t say since it was running winblows when my cousin had it |
| 01:58.08 | vignesh | It doesn`t support a 40 gb hdd i think . I attached another hdd I had.. it never detected it |
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| 01:58.41 | vignesh | cilkay, what`s the capacity of the hdd on that machine? |
| 01:58.56 | cilkay | vignesh: original hard drive - 4GB. |
| 01:59.14 | vignesh | ok..What does it have now ? |
| 01:59.16 | Guerin | it will support a 40G drive |
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| 01:59.20 | cilkay | It was running the original installation of Windows 98 until a couple of months ago. |
| 01:59.24 | cilkay | Same drive. |
| 01:59.28 | _Atomo64_ | I'm trying to configure xscreensaver to use xsublim; but it doesn't appear on the list; what can I do? I've xsublim at /usr/lib/xscreensaver/xsublim |
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| 01:59.29 | vignesh | Ah.. i have toc check that' |
| 01:59.33 | Guerin | you may need to flash the bios, depending on the mobo, but it should work fine |
| 01:59.48 | vignesh | maybe its the hdd.. since I am only not able to install... |
| 02:00.20 | cilkay | vignesh: the only thing I've changed on that machine since new was the power supply (and the case since the PSU had a strange form factor) and the CD-ROM. |
| 02:00.33 | jerry | I'm jealousy of ian - lol |
| 02:00.38 | vignesh | Oh...ok |
| 02:01.04 | Budtske | vignesh: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ has plenty of drive cheking utils, thats what i use anyway :\ |
| 02:01.17 | vignesh | so Guerin ur saying that the Brio will support a 40Gb hdd ? |
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| 02:01.31 | jelly-home | jerry: hey, are you by any chance the guy that was obsessed with Deb and Ian the other day? |
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| 02:02.21 | abrotman | jerry: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 02:02.55 | vignesh | cilkay, The Brio cabinet is very small... I can`t change the cdrom...I had a tough time trying to change thehdd itself |
| 02:03.11 | jelly-home | vignesh: some old BIOSes only recognize disks up to 32GB. This is why some disks have a "capping" jumper setting that makes them show only 32GB to BIOS. Linux works with whole disk once it boots. |
| 02:03.23 | lifeforms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.43 | vignesh | I have a jumper placed at master |
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| 02:04.04 | vignesh | will that do jelly-home |
| 02:04.15 | jelly-home | vignesh: this is usually a setting totally separate from that usual master/slave stuff |
| 02:04.23 | mnuhmnuh | Budtske: cool. |
| 02:04.29 | vignesh | So i need to place anotherjumper ? |
| 02:05.14 | Guerin | vignesh: if this disk is that way inclines, it will have a second jumper configuration for `<32G' specified on the casing of the drive itself |
| 02:05.21 | jelly-home | vignesh: yes, _if_ your disk has that setting. I didn't see it on all disks. |
| 02:05.23 | Guerin | vignesh: if it's not there, it don't have it. |
| 02:05.40 | Guerin | they stopped making those disks in about 2002/3 i think |
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| 02:05.56 | Budtske | vignesh: its on most 40GB drives though (when they where new at least) |
| 02:06.25 | vignesh | I have the following labels : M A thats master |
| 02:06.38 | vignesh | S L for slave |
| 02:06.56 | vignesh | and C S is this it ? |
| 02:06.56 | Guerin | vignesh: the full key will be on the top or bottom of the drive |
| 02:07.08 | Guerin | vignesh: not on the end next to the pins |
| 02:07.15 | jelly-home | vignesh: CS is cable select, not relevant |
| 02:07.18 | Budtske | jelly-home: <32gb cap or 136 ? 32Gb cap for a 200gb would be plain silly |
| 02:07.19 | Guerin | vignesh: it will be VERY CLEAR and BOVIOUS |
| 02:07.26 | jelly-home | Budtske: 32. |
| 02:07.30 | SerajewelKS | ohh, bovious |
| 02:07.32 | BrianSteffens | i'm setting up a share from box 'Server' to box 'Main' over NFS, both running debian etch. on 'Server', hdd1 is mounted on /shared/storage, whose owner is brian:administrators (recursive).. that path is in /etc/exports. logged into 'Main' as 'brian', mounting the share to /shared/storage (whose owner is also set to brian:administrators, recursively.. the mount works but all contents of that mount point immediately become owned by adam:adam..... any id |
| 02:07.33 | vignesh | YA..there`s one saying limit capacity to 32 gb |
| 02:07.43 | Guerin | bovious, yes |
| 02:07.43 | SerajewelKS | i'll have to look that word up :) |
| 02:07.50 | Guerin | vignesh: set it thusly. |
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| 02:08.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's so obvious, even a cow can figure it out. |
| 02:08.05 | jelly-home | Budtske: then the PC can use up to 136GB, but it's still better than the disk not being recognized at all |
| 02:08.27 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 02:08.27 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:08.28 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i wasn't paying attention to what you were saying, just thought the misspelling was nice |
| 02:08.31 | BrianSteffens | Boviously. |
| 02:08.33 | vignesh | FIne.. I`ll try that and get back |
| 02:08.35 | vignesh | thanks |
| 02:08.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I nkow. |
| 02:09.02 | jerry | abrotman: no I'm just jealous |
| 02:09.03 | vignesh | thanks jelly-home |
| 02:09.05 | BrianSteffens | pig latin's successor, cow latin! |
| 02:09.06 | jelly-home | boviously a nicer typo than pwned |
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| 02:09.26 | abrotman | jerry: go do it elsewhere please |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | !bovious is so obvious even a cow can figure it out. |
| 02:09.31 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 02:09.44 | Guerin | let it be recorded for all eternity |
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| 02:09.58 | mikeX | hello, how do I make apt download whole Packages.gz files, instead of diffs? |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 02:10.07 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 02:10.13 | NetGangsta | cp eggdrop1 /home/egg/ why dont work? |
| 02:10.14 | Guerin | mikeX: grep diff /etc/apt/* |
| 02:10.22 | Guerin | mikeX: see the instructions therein. |
| 02:10.27 | mikeX | thanks abrotman Guerin |
| 02:10.34 | jelly-home | NetGangsta: you don't have permissions on /home/egg ? |
| 02:10.59 | mikeX | Guerin: that doesn't come up with anything btw |
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| 02:11.22 | Guerin | mikeX: hm, right you are |
| 02:11.36 | Guerin | i just did this a couple days ago, i'm sure that's how I found it |
| 02:11.41 | NetGangsta | cp: omitting directory `eggdrop1' |
| 02:12.06 | Guerin | NetGangsta: why don't you tell it you'll do its kneecaps if it doesn't copy? |
| 02:12.12 | Guerin | that'll learn it |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | yo don't own it ? |
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| 02:12.30 | jerry | !apt pdiff |
| 02:13.02 | Budtske | NetGangsta: use cp -r to copy a directory |
| 02:13.06 | NetGangsta | Guerin ? |
| 02:13.14 | Guerin | NetGangsta: if you're a gangsta, I mean. |
| 02:13.16 | NetGangsta | Budtske ok ill try |
| 02:13.46 | Guerin | on the other hand, if you're just a twat with a stupid nick who's runnign eggdrop to run spambots ... |
| 02:13.49 | Budtske | and google next time |
| 02:14.56 | jerry | abrotman: sorry I' can't go out of here |
| 02:15.01 | cat | hey i have a question every time i've want to bring my network interface i have to used pump what can i do |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | jerry: try /part |
| 02:15.19 | Guerin | cat: man interfaces |
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| 02:15.55 | cat | nice |
| 02:16.02 | jerry | abrotman: part dosen't work I try RUN |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | jerry: in your IRC client .. type /part |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | jerry: are you sure you don't have a Debian related question ? |
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| 02:17.54 | abrotman | jerry: yes or no? |
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| 02:17.56 | nse | i am having troubles to read an output that is longer than terminal, i can't see what came in the beginning, what to do in order to see the putput in parts? |
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| 02:18.32 | abrotman | nse: COLUMNS=200 <command> |
| 02:18.39 | jerry | no |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | jerry: please /part |
| 02:19.14 | jerry | no |
| 02:19.30 | abrotman | !ops jerry is being a moron, and was doing it last night, and has no interst in Debian whatsoever |
| 02:19.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: jerry is being a moron, and was doing it last night, and has no interst in Debian whatsoever |
| 02:19.31 | jmd | What packages are there which allow me to test out my integrated CCD camera. I have the right drivers (I think) but no idea how to use the camera. |
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| 02:19.34 | jerry | abrotman: please part. |
| 02:19.43 | Guerin | jerry: go back to ben. |
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| 02:19.57 | abrotman | jmd: you mean your digital camera? |
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| 02:19.59 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 02:20.27 | Halitherses | Can someone please point me to a howto for installing a wg311 wireless card? |
| 02:20.32 | Acu | greetings do Debians! - I would like to play a swf file - is any player with GUI which I can install to play it ? |
| 02:20.34 | jmd | abrotman: No. My the little CCD thing in my laptop. |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | jmd: uhm ... the webcam ? |
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| 02:21.11 | lifeforms | when I install a newer stock kernel instead of the debian linux-source (need a newer revision than in the nightly builds), can I expect breakage? |
| 02:21.13 | BrianSteffens | i'm setting up a share from box 'Server' to box 'Main' over NFS, both running debian etch. on 'Server', hdd1 is mounted on /shared/storage, whose owner is brian:administrators (recursive).. that path is in /etc/exports. logged into 'Main' as 'brian', mounting the share to /shared/storage (whose owner is also set to brian:administrators, recursively.. the mount works but all contents of that mount point immediately become owned by adam:adam..... any id |
| 02:21.13 | Guerin | Acu: /msg dpkg flash |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | lifeforms: probably |
| 02:21.32 | nse | abrotman: is there a command or something that we can send the output to throught a pipe so we can read it in parts? |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | lifeforms: it seems pretty rare that anyone gets it on the first try :) |
| 02:21.48 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: NFS does UIDs, not usernames |
| 02:21.53 | jmd | abrotman: I guess it can be used for that. |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | nse: | less ? |
| 02:22.06 | Azar | lifeforms: it could hold on for a while until it hits something that will make it die |
| 02:22.08 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: i bet brian@server and adam@main have the same uid |
| 02:22.09 | lifeforms | abrotman: well.. I mean... after I've managed to build a working one. :) |
| 02:22.14 | nse | abrotman: yes! that's it... |
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| 02:22.25 | abrotman | lifeforms: some things still might not work |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | LoRez: again please ? |
| 02:22.41 | BrianSteffens | Guerin: ohhh :) how can i check UID and if i need to, change them? |
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| 02:23.06 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: id |
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| 02:23.18 | lifeforms | A&a: ouch |
| 02:23.23 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: changing them is somewhat more tricky |
| 02:23.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@p508BE3C3.dip.t-dialin.net] by LoRez |
| 02:23.36 | *** part/#debian jerry (n=jerry@p508BE3C3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:23.37 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 02:23.37 | Budtske | jmd: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml any help to you ? :) |
| 02:24.06 | Acu | Guerin: was I suppose to get a message from the bot ? |
| 02:24.14 | jmd | Budtske: Maybe. I'll have a look thanks. |
| 02:24.22 | Guerin | Acu: did you ask him about flash? |
| 02:24.44 | Budtske | jmd: plenty of apps in that list anyway |
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| 02:25.20 | Acu | ! flash Acu |
| 02:25.26 | Acu | !flash |
| 02:25.26 | dpkg | flash is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:26.13 | jelly-home | (not)dpkg, flash is also savior of the universe |
| 02:26.31 | lifeforms | is there a timetable set for including the 2.6.19 kernel? I guess it won't end up in the etch final release? |
| 02:26.34 | karmatronic | jelly, well he s just fast |
| 02:26.41 | abrotman | lifeforms: in what ? |
| 02:26.45 | jelly-home | karmatronic: not that one! |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | lifeforms: nm .. and no .. probably won't |
| 02:27.01 | felix_ | Hi. I want to install Python 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5 in parallel. Is that possible with apt? And what would I need to google for? |
| 02:27.07 | karmatronic | jelly, flash gordon? |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | felix_: yes you can install them all |
| 02:27.38 | jelly-home | karmatronic: yeah, more specifically one from the movie and the Queen song |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | felix_: but i dbout your version of debian has them all |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | like mine only has 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 02:28.18 | felix_ | abrotman: Oh I see, so I would want to get a deb package I guess... |
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| 02:28.23 | lifeforms | abrotman: thanks. |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | felix_: that's the idea :) |
| 02:28.38 | felix_ | abrotman: But how would I install, say, 2.5 without uninstalling 2.4? |
| 02:28.39 | Azar | lifeforms: probably will, but there are a lot of bugs to be worked still on 2.6.19 |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | felix_: you can have them both on the box .. |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | felix_: one is preferred |
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| 02:29.33 | Guerin | felix_: you probably need to build the source of earlier versions. You should be able to get them from snapshot.debian.net or similar |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | felix_: use the full path to the full binary name fo rtesting |
| 02:29.42 | Maximiliano | do i need special hardware to get transparency on windows borders and in panels on XFce (like vista or KDE) or with a normal video card is enought? |
| 02:29.50 | jelly-home | felix_: only 1-2 versions are kept at any one time in Debian, testing has 2.4 and 2.5. Older versions are probably compilable from source and you'll need to install them in separate trees, like /opt/python21, and similar |
| 02:30.04 | Guerin | Maximiliano: depends on the card, and what drivers are available for it. |
| 02:30.21 | felix_ | Okay, thank you! |
| 02:30.28 | Miles_Prower | [for all those unicode-client users only] î‡ |
| 02:30.33 | lifeforms | Azar: can you do a wild guess for the release date? |
| 02:30.43 | Maximiliano | i use a SIS 300/305 pci card 32 mb ram (no onboard card) |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | lifeforms: i seriously doubt etch will ever see 2.6.19 |
| 02:31.01 | Guerin | Maximiliano: i sincerely doubt sis has any opengl capability. |
| 02:31.07 | Guerin | Acu: hey |
| 02:31.10 | Guerin | abrotman: hey |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:31.16 | Guerin | you stole my thought |
| 02:31.17 | Azar | lifeforms: the fact taht the 2.6.19 kernel is worked at, makes me suspect that if it will be a cause of the etch delay it will take few more months |
| 02:31.26 | jelly-home | Miles_Prower: ☠|
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | Azar: wtf are you talking about ? |
| 02:31.39 | Maximiliano | Guerin, do you mean i need openGl like Nvidia and ATI top cards? |
| 02:31.41 | Azar | abrotman: about the rumors going around |
| 02:31.50 | abrotman | Azar: that etch will get 2.6.19 ? |
| 02:31.53 | Azar | that etch is delayed because of the 2.6.19 kernel |
| 02:31.57 | Guerin | Maximiliano: not the top cards, no. But I think you do need opengl for that. |
| 02:31.59 | Azar | yep |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | Azar: why would it be? there are still 100 RC bugs |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 02:32.22 | Azar | abrotman: 100 is ok, last week were 150 |
| 02:32.24 | NetGangsta | i just changed my eggdrop of dir need to recompile? |
| 02:32.24 | abrotman | and that's without introducing a new kernel |
| 02:32.38 | Budtske | NetGangsta: no |
| 02:32.44 | abrotman | Azar: you could go ask #debian-kernel on OFTC |
| 02:33.02 | Azar | abrotman: I read on the Debian weekly from last year that they would want to have the 2.6.19 on Etch but since there are a lot of bugs, Etch will be delayed |
| 02:33.12 | Guerin | NetGangsta: if you're not using debian's eggdrop package, we can't/won't support it. |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | Azar: go ask the kernel guys |
| 02:33.19 | Maximiliano | Guerin, this pc has also a Blaster-3D video card (integrated into motherboard) sharing 8 mb from main memory... you think this should work? |
| 02:33.24 | Ronin | Guerin: and even then we're limited i bet |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | Azar: do it!!!!!! |
| 02:33.29 | Guerin | NetGangsta: go ask the eggdrop experts, otherwise use the version in debian. |
| 02:33.29 | Budtske | NetGangsta: you should change the eggdrop config to point to the correct place of the eggdrop binary though |
| 02:33.33 | jelly-home | NetGangsta: probably not. BTW, your queries are probably better suited to ##linux if you don't have a Debian specific question |
| 02:33.33 | Azar | hmmm oftc is dark and cold but I will |
| 02:33.34 | Azar | ok |
| 02:33.39 | Guerin | Maximiliano: no. |
| 02:33.43 | Ronin | NetGangsta: theres also #eggdrop |
| 02:33.46 | Maximiliano | :-( |
| 02:33.53 | abrotman | Azar: don't be scared .. ronin is on OFTC .. and he's canadian! |
| 02:34.05 | k-man | do i need to do anything special to boot off a raid1 root partition with debian? |
| 02:34.06 | Ronin | damn straight |
| 02:34.12 | Guerin | ... who probably won't help him because they realise he's running spambots off it. |
| 02:34.28 | Ronin | Guerin: neither should we then if thats true |
| 02:34.35 | Guerin | right |
| 02:34.59 | Ronin | but eggdrop doesnt automaticaly = spambots |
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| 02:35.20 | mentor | It does mean eggdrop though |
| 02:35.25 | lifeforms | so, if I review my options, the move to 2.6.19 probably would take some..infinite time, and building a new kernel on top of a normal install would be called extremely experimental? |
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| 02:35.33 | Budtske | k-man: be sure your raid controller set "boot" to your array and you should be fine |
| 02:35.34 | Goat_Spirit | DCC SEND ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUWXYZ |
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| 02:35.42 | abrotman | !ops Goat_Spirit dcc tard |
| 02:35.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Goat_Spirit dcc tard |
| 02:35.46 | Ronin | mentor: true |
| 02:35.48 | Guerin | no, but when it's being used by someone without clue, who's called NetGangsta, it screams DDOS to me. |
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| 02:36.01 | abrotman | psychonate: fix your router |
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| 02:36.07 | Miles_Prower | HEH. |
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| 02:36.17 | Miles_Prower | go go magic IPTables stateful NAT. |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: you think that's funny ? |
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| 02:36.23 | jelly-home | Guerin: nah... VXvE3x is DDoS, NetGangsta is n00b! |
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| 02:36.28 | Miles_Prower | One would think that everyone in here.. |
| 02:36.32 | k-man | Budtske, um, im talking about software raid |
| 02:36.33 | Miles_Prower | would be using a linux pc as a router. |
| 02:36.37 | lawl | that guys an idiot, learn to upgrade firmware |
| 02:36.38 | Miles_Prower | XD |
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| 02:36.47 | abrotman | Azar: see .. i told you :) |
| 02:36.49 | Budtske | k-man: then everything should work :> |
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| 02:37.08 | k-man | ok, thanks |
| 02:37.11 | Maximiliano | Guerin, do you think a Riva TNT2 MT64 32mb should work? |
| 02:37.17 | Azar | :) thanks abrotman, yep is how you said it |
| 02:37.21 | Maximiliano | or a savage4 |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | Azar: maybe next time you'll bellieve me :) |
| 02:37.37 | Azar | abrotman: from now on, yep :) |
| 02:37.37 | jelly-home | Miles_Prower: My dsl modem/router is running 2.4.17 (factory preinstalled)! |
| 02:37.55 | Miles_Prower | jelly-home, Good. thus, no defective firewall rules that kill connects. |
| 02:38.14 | Budtske | Maximiliano: a tnt should work with the least amounth of problems i guess |
| 02:38.30 | Halitherses | I'm using the kernel that was installed by the debian etch netinstall cd rom. Will that have wireles support complied into by default or will i need to do a kernel recompile? |
| 02:38.42 | Guerin | Maximiliano: yeh, tnt is fine, but you need the nvidia driver, which is evil and shit. |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | it has wireless support .. possibly not for yours .. but it does have some |
| 02:39.14 | Guerin | tnt2 was an awesome card in its time |
| 02:39.19 | jelly-home | Miles_Prower: killing connections is job of the Cisco PIX at work which tries to handle my vpn connections. |
| 02:39.23 | Budtske | cheap and powerfull :D |
| 02:39.33 | nse | well we can have everything in a console with many tabs. i was used to a system monitor gui; gaim connected to msn and irc accounts; amule and nicotine; xmms and firefox with many tabs: now i have all this in just one window |
| 02:39.50 | Maximiliano | i see verybody asking for help installing nvidia drivers on forums and everywhere i look.... may be i must acept not to have transparency :-( |
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| 02:40.23 | Budtske | Maximiliano i dident have problems installing them and im an utter noob |
| 02:41.48 | Maximiliano | i will try and come back later and tell you what about, thanks to all |
| 02:43.45 | NetGangsta | i just back from cp eggdrop folder to another folder and now eggdrop only want start as root any know? |
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| 02:44.00 | Budtske | ask in #eggdrop |
| 02:44.00 | slava | is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 02:44.09 | Guerin | NetGangsta: this is not our problem. |
| 02:44.14 | slava | i'm unable to apt-get install anything, because ftp.debian.org and debian.yorku.ca are not responding |
| 02:44.17 | Guerin | slava: ftp.d.o is a round-robin |
| 02:44.29 | slava | does apt-get install work for others? |
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| 02:44.45 | Budtske | slava: yes, are you sure your dns server is working fine ? |
| 02:45.01 | Guerin | slava: dig ftp.debian.org and you'll see some others to try |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | slava: also /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 02:47.49 | slava | hmm, it gets stuck at 0% of the download |
| 02:47.55 | slava | maybe it switched over to using active mode ftp all of a sudden? |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | slava: host google.com ? |
| 02:48.06 | Guerin | use http |
| 02:48.13 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 02:48.14 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 02:49.17 | Budtske | interesting read :> |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | oh .. i hope we get another "greycat is a moron" rant :) |
| 02:49.51 | mnuhmnuh | slava: http://debian.uchicago.edu |
| 02:49.59 | slava | i'll try |
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| 02:50.02 | slava | abrotman: my dns works |
| 02:50.24 | Guerin | abrotmanmustdie! |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | no argument |
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| 02:53.46 | jmd | What packages do I have to install to get an Intel 82801 sound controller going? |
| 02:54.16 | Guerin | jmd: nothing special; modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 02:54.58 | jmd | Guerin: And then some alsa-* packages ? |
| 02:55.28 | karmatronic | jmd, alsa-utils |
| 02:56.32 | slava | now it works, for some reason |
| 02:56.41 | slava | temporary network issues on my end, perhaps (but all other web sites worked) |
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| 02:57.33 | snowbird | alsa is cool |
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| 02:57.41 | obnauticus | erm |
| 02:57.52 | obnauticus | does debian have an option to install KDE at the install |
| 02:57.58 | obnauticus | or do i have to install it seperatly |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | beter to do it sepeartely |
| 02:58.32 | cormallen_ | Does anyone know how to save a file containing a list of installed packages and install that list on another system? |
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| 02:59.29 | karmatronic | :) |
| 02:59.49 | karmatronic | cormallen_, dpkg --get-selections > dpkg.list |
| 03:00.11 | cormallen_ | What do I do to install them? |
| 03:00.12 | Budtske | abrotman: doesent debian come with kde by default when selecting desktop during install ? |
| 03:00.16 | slava | what package do i install to get curses.h? |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | WHAT! |
| 03:00.27 | karmatronic | cormallen_, dpkg --set-selections < dpkg.list |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | Budtske: depends on the CD used .. the default is gnome IIRC |
| 03:00.39 | cormallen_ | karmatronic: thanks. |
| 03:00.44 | Budtske | talking about sarge |
| 03:01.16 | Budtske | abrotman: i could be terribly wrong but http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/52602-kde-debian.html agrees with me :\ |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | Budtske: it'd be wrong |
| 03:01.50 | Budtske | sorry for the dumb comment then :> |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | it's still better to not use tasksel anyways |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | because that way you actually know what's going on |
| 03:02.32 | slava | ah, ncurses-dev... |
| 03:02.58 | speyer | !java |
| 03:02.58 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 03:07.56 | BrianSteffens | can't remember who was helping me with my nfs permissions thing.. but i changed the UIDs around so brian on main has the same uid as brian on server.. now i get 'Permission denied' on mount attempt |
| 03:09.27 | SerajewelKS | is the 2.6.19 kernel being packaged yet? |
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| 03:13.10 | iain | How can I enable X11 forwarding for one user? |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 03:13.28 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 03:14.35 | iain | I know ssh_config sets it system-wide, but how can I do it for one user? |
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| 03:15.59 | speyer | running fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin gives me this > No matching plugin was found any idea ? |
| 03:16.12 | speyer | i did install the apt-get install fakeroot java-package |
| 03:16.17 | speyer | what else do i need ? |
| 03:16.58 | abrotman | might need a newer version of java-package |
| 03:17.04 | EdwardElric | is setting up an ipv6 tunnel in debian sarge very difficult? |
| 03:17.18 | speyer | abrotman and im getting it from where ? |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
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| 03:18.17 | speyer | stable right ? |
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| 03:18.29 | speyer | i need to download or ... ? |
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| 03:21.39 | iain | abrotman: If xauth isn't on my other machine, will sshx not work? I'm trying to use a Mac to log into a Linux machine and watch a movie since the Mac doesn't have the power to play it. |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | vlc! |
| 03:23.06 | iain | abrotman: VLC is nice but I thought Macs had the inborn ability to forward X. |
| 03:23.12 | abrotman | they should |
| 03:23.18 | iain | I don't even need to do it through ssh |
| 03:23.25 | iain | Anyway, xauth isn't in my path |
| 03:23.28 | iain | !sshx |
| 03:23.28 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 03:23.48 | iain | Looks like I need it, or is that only if I go through ssh? |
| 03:23.58 | tuvwx | i don't think playing video over ssh is very promising! |
| 03:24.21 | speyer | abrotman if i install java-package_0.28_all.deb so 0.28 then i need also a lot of other packages to emove and install new once |
| 03:24.32 | tuvwx | unless you have powerful enough machines |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | speyer: huh ? |
| 03:24.46 | speyer | it should laso work with 0.24 |
| 03:24.49 | abrotman | !backports |
| 03:24.50 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 03:24.52 | iain | Well can I connect to a remote X server w/out ssh? |
| 03:25.14 | abrotman | you can |
| 03:25.33 | iain | What app do I use? |
| 03:25.43 | tuvwx | DISPLAY=<host>:<DISPLAY> <your program> |
| 03:25.58 | speyer | abrotman you said to get a newer package of java-package and newer the java-package-0.24 its 0.28 and if i install 0.28 then i need a lof of depends which i cannot install them |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 03:26.18 | speyer | abrotman there should be a way to get java working with java-package-0.24 as well |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | not if .24 didn't know about the version of java you're trying to install |
| 03:26.44 | speyer | abrotman because all thoose depends are already installed but with a other version |
| 03:26.52 | iain | What should go in <DISPLAY>? 0? |
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| 03:27.03 | abrotman | http://backports.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/ |
| 03:27.03 | tuvwx | usually 0.0 |
| 03:27.08 | iain | 0.0, OK |
| 03:27.16 | Budtske|sleep | (non-debian) anyone know how to get SWAT to ignore the Accept-Language header of the HTTP request out of the top of their heads ? |
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| 03:28.42 | iain | Is that on the server or client? |
| 03:28.55 | tuvwx | server, where the program should be running |
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| 03:29.03 | rabies | hey, anyone know what language filemaker pro uses? |
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| 03:29.21 | iain | Well, I tried that, but |
| 03:29.25 | iain | Thunar: cannot open display: (null) |
| 03:29.26 | tuvwx | what is filemaker pro |
| 03:29.28 | Budtske|sleep | nm, ill try looking further in the docs tommorow |
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| 03:29.40 | rabies | tuvwx: database frontend |
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| 03:29.58 | rabies | tuv: think sql |
| 03:30.03 | rabies | cept i dunno if thats what it is |
| 03:31.29 | iain | Well, I'll just install VNC some time. |
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| 03:33.00 | muhoo | i used to know this, but i forgot, and forgot where to look for how to do it: how do i blacklist a module so it doesn't get hotplugged? |
| 03:33.10 | muhoo | or auto-loaded by whoever/whomever/whatever might want to load it? |
| 03:33.20 | muhoo | (kernel module, that is |
| 03:34.12 | tuvwx | iain, ssh x-forwarding would be better than vnc |
| 03:35.00 | tuvwx | iain, at the client do : ssh -X <server> |
| 03:35.39 | rabies | muhoo: check the hotplug documentation, its really easy |
| 03:35.55 | muhoo | thanks |
| 03:36.19 | iain | Ah, looks like my Linux box has SSH blocked. |
| 03:36.24 | iain | How do I unblock it? |
| 03:36.40 | rabies | muhoo: course the best way is to just remove the module |
| 03:36.43 | iain | I assume it's the firewall, but I haven't played with it yet. |
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| 03:37.07 | rabies | iain: i'd play with it |
| 03:37.17 | rabies | iain: most likely it is the fw |
| 03:37.26 | tuvwx | iain, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html |
| 03:37.34 | iain | rabies: Any idea what firewall Ubuntu uses? |
| 03:37.49 | rabies | iain: im positive its either iptables or ipchaikns |
| 03:37.54 | rabies | iain: ipchains |
| 03:38.01 | rabies | iain: but heres the thing, for ubuntu, you are best off asking in #ubuntu |
| 03:38.06 | iain | Yeah |
| 03:38.10 | tuvwx | iain, none by default |
| 03:38.12 | rabies | iain: because sadly, ubuntu has its own issues that arent debian related |
| 03:38.24 | Miesco | How do I send a email with postfix? |
| 03:38.36 | iain | I came here because people in ubuntu usually aren't as helpful and I thought it was a generic question :-) |
| 03:38.38 | rabies | Miesco: are you an e-mail server? |
| 03:38.41 | rabies | iain: :) |
| 03:38.45 | rabies | iain: iptables or ipchains |
| 03:38.59 | rabies | iain: you are asking something about an intial setup of a distrobution, that is entirely ubuntu specific |
| 03:39.04 | rabies | iain: distribution* |
| 03:39.14 | Miesco | rabies: Sory of, I have sympatico so I cant have an smtp server, I can only user smtp1.sympatico.ca:25 |
| 03:39.19 | iain | Yeah initially I was asking how to forward X |
| 03:39.20 | Miesco | sort* |
| 03:39.24 | iain | But yeah now it's changed |
| 03:39.41 | tuvwx | iain, are both machines on the same subnet, or are there hardware firewalls/routers in-between? |
| 03:39.42 | rabies | Miesco: i dont know if you can send e-mails unless you are a qualified domain |
| 03:39.52 | iain | Both on the same subnet |
| 03:39.53 | rabies | Miesco: its probably possible, but you're better off finding a smtp server |
| 03:40.36 | tuvwx | iain, make sure ssh is installed. and for X forwarding without ssh, check the link above |
| 03:40.54 | rabies | Miesco: what exactly is sympatico? |
| 03:40.54 | Miesco | k |
| 03:41.30 | tuvwx | rabelais, an ISP |
| 03:41.39 | tuvwx | oops |
| 03:41.46 | tuvwx | rabies, an ISP.. a bell thing |
| 03:41.57 | tuvwx | rabelais, sorry |
| 03:42.05 | rabies | so your isp doesnt give you an smtp server? odd |
| 03:42.22 | tuvwx | it does |
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| 03:43.08 | elzor0 | I need some help with a shell script |
| 03:43.23 | iain | tuvwx: I'm following the instructions at the above link, but the mac blocks my connection. I guess this is now a question for #macosx (not that they're very helpful, either ;) Maybe I should try a forum at this point. |
| 03:43.37 | elzor0 | how can I make it so that the script changes directory to where the actual script is located? |
| 03:44.02 | rabies | iain: or go to your local computer repair store |
| 03:44.05 | Guerin | elzor0: help cd |
| 03:44.06 | tuvwx | iain, ssh x forwarding is very strightforward. you sure you have ssh server installed |
| 03:44.08 | tuvwx | ? |
| 03:44.40 | speyer | how do i add backports to /etc/apt/sources.list for etch ? |
| 03:44.53 | speyer | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:44.57 | speyer | its only for sarge ? |
| 03:45.00 | iain | tuvwx: I can ssh into my mac, but not into the Linux box. |
| 03:45.06 | iain | oh, it seems I don't have ssh-server |
| 03:45.09 | iain | silly me |
| 03:45.10 | Guerin | speyer: it's not stable yet, why would there be backports? |
| 03:45.15 | rabies | iain: okay iain, lets start from the beginning, what exactly do you have and do you not have... |
| 03:45.22 | elzor0 | guerin: that doesn't help |
| 03:45.26 | rabies | iain: you seem somewhat frazzled |
| 03:45.29 | speyer | Guerin well i need to get flash plugin |
| 03:45.50 | Guerin | speyer: nobody NEEDS the fucking flash plugin |
| 03:45.57 | tuvwx | speyer, you don't need backports for that. you need non-free |
| 03:46.03 | elzor0 | guerin: I need the script to change directory to where its located, no matter where its run from, and I wont know where its located |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | elzor0: you need to be less unspecific |
| 03:46.20 | speyer | Guerin well i do need flash plugin is there anything wrong if i do ? |
| 03:46.31 | speyer | tuvwx which is where ? |
| 03:46.37 | elzor0 | guerin: I have a script that a user will download, I have no idea where they store it |
| 03:46.43 | Guerin | elzor0: #bash |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | elzor0: this is trivial, but it's not debian. |
| 03:46.54 | rabies | elzor0: its a shell specific variable most likely |
| 03:47.01 | iain | rabies: My apologies. Now I have ssh-server and ssh on my linux machine. I can ssh into the mac, but not vice versa. |
| 03:47.13 | rabies | iain: not far enough back ;) |
| 03:47.17 | tuvwx | speyer, which is at the end of any line in your sources.list. just append 'non-free' with a space before (without quotes) |
| 03:47.26 | rabies | iain: start from the very beginning, i just joined the channel |
| 03:47.28 | elzor0 | guerin: when they run it from their graphical environment, its run by its full path from their home directory |
| 03:47.37 | rabies | iain: more then likely you are making an assumption you arent supposed to |
| 03:47.48 | Guerin | elzor0: why are you still asking in here? #bash. |
| 03:47.53 | iain | rabies: I want to display a program running on my Linux box on my Mac. |
| 03:48.05 | rabies | iain: do you have X on your mac? |
| 03:48.12 | speyer | tuvwx ohh , ok thanks |
| 03:48.14 | elzor0 | guerin I didn't know if it was bash specific |
| 03:48.17 | iain | I might do this through ssh or not. The security isn't important. |
| 03:48.21 | iain | rabies: Yes. |
| 03:48.24 | rabies | iain: and btw, WHY do you want to do this? |
| 03:48.34 | Guerin | elzor0: you should write your script in plain old sh, so it'll run anywhere |
| 03:48.42 | iain | rabies: The mac is too slow to play videos well, but my Linux box isn't. |
| 03:48.54 | rabies | iain: you know it'll be 10x slower going over any network, right? |
| 03:48.58 | Guerin | iain: video play over ssh will not work. |
| 03:49.01 | rabies | iain: especially for videos |
| 03:49.06 | Guerin | it's not the network which will make it slow |
| 03:49.06 | iain | rabies: how about not over ssh? |
| 03:49.08 | rabies | iain: yeah, videos wont even play |
| 03:49.09 | iain | Will that work? |
| 03:49.12 | iain | On a LAN? |
| 03:49.18 | rabies | iain: nope, its a processor limitation |
| 03:49.19 | Guerin | it's the fact that it has to write to the display, rather than direct to the gpu |
| 03:49.27 | elzor0 | guerin: great, you know the sh env variable? |
| 03:49.27 | Guerin | rabies: no, it's absolutely not. |
| 03:49.31 | Guerin | elzor0: no. |
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| 03:49.47 | elzor0 | guerin: and no, it doesn't need to be sh |
| 03:49.48 | iain | Damn, OK. |
| 03:49.49 | Guerin | they will play over the network, but they will be as slow as shit. |
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| 03:50.03 | rabies | Guerin: okay, so if it doesnt use the video card, what does it use if its doing software video? |
| 03:50.08 | iain | Well that sucks, but it's understandable. |
| 03:50.20 | Miesco | Guerin: I have a MTA (exim4) and I want to use it to send my email. I also have sympatico so I need to use smtp1.sympatico.ca smtp server, would I use esmtp? |
| 03:50.24 | speyer | tuvwx i put it like this and it doesnt work after i update apt deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free |
| 03:50.29 | rabies | Guerin: the modem? |
| 03:50.37 | Guerin | rabies: seriously - I've tried to solve the exact problem you're talking about in the same way, and it don't work. |
| 03:50.47 | rabies | Guerin: what way? im telling him to not do it |
| 03:50.58 | Guerin | oh, huh? |
| 03:51.08 | Guerin | it seems i missed some boat in this coversation |
| 03:51.11 | rabies | Guerin: lol |
| 03:51.29 | Miesco | Guerin: Would I? |
| 03:51.32 | Guerin | who's trying to play video on boy a while viewing it on the display of box b over ssh -X? |
| 03:51.41 | rabies | Guerin: iain, why? |
| 03:51.49 | Guerin | because it ain't going to work |
| 03:51.57 | rabies | yes, i know, and hopefully now he knows |
| 03:52.06 | Guerin | rabies: i thought you were trying it, sorry. |
| 03:52.11 | rabies | Guerin: np |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | iain: give up now :) |
| 03:52.19 | rabies | before its too late :) |
| 03:52.21 | Miesco | Guerin: ... |
| 03:52.24 | stranger_stone | bugs! |
| 03:52.31 | Guerin | Miesco: wtf are you asking me? |
| 03:52.36 | stranger_stone | huummm :x |
| 03:52.37 | Miesco | Guerin: I have a MTA (exim4) and I want to use it to send my email. I also have sympatico so I need to use smtp1.sympatico.ca smtp server, would I use esmtp? |
| 03:52.50 | rabies | Miesco: are you telling me that exim4 is going to work where your last one isnt? |
| 03:52.51 | iain | I know now. But I must wonder aloud...people use video chat over a network, so how does that work? |
| 03:52.57 | rabies | Miesco: i already told you, GET AN EXTERNAL SMTP SERVER |
| 03:52.58 | Guerin | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; select `smarthost' |
| 03:53.02 | Guerin | Miesco: simple as that |
| 03:53.03 | rabies | iain: local program, remote steram |
| 03:53.05 | rabies | iain: stream |
| 03:53.10 | tuvwx | speyer, what doesn't work? |
| 03:53.20 | rabies | Miesco: oh, you did, nvm then |
| 03:53.29 | Guerin | iain: the computer they're actually sitting at does the decoding and display. |
| 03:53.46 | Guerin | iain: from what I gather, you're trying to do the decoding on one box and the display on another |
| 03:53.49 | iain | I mean, you're saying the CPU couldn't render software video by itself, but that's what it does for a video chat, right? It encodes the video and sends it out. |
| 03:54.03 | Guerin | yes, it does |
| 03:54.14 | rabies | iain: okay, display is too complex for a generic CPU to handle, encoding a CPU can handle |
| 03:54.29 | Guerin | and a computer which can't decode vide is unlikely to be much use for viewing video chat |
| 03:54.36 | rabies | iain: so in order to display video the graphics card has to do the work with a specialized GPU |
| 03:54.37 | iain | Ah. I thought encoding was harder than decoding and displaying. |
| 03:54.49 | Guerin | iain: it is, much. But the parameters are different. |
| 03:54.52 | rabies | iain: anything numbery is easier then anything visually |
| 03:54.52 | iain | OK. |
| 03:55.02 | rabies | iain: for a cpu |
| 03:55.40 | Guerin | iain: the really hard work in video is converting the decoded image to something the display can use. If you try to play video in software, you'll find scaling it up or down causes a massive performance hit. |
| 03:55.56 | iain | Alright. |
| 03:56.07 | Guerin | if you use xv, however, which is essentially hardware display, it's not so bad. |
| 03:56.15 | rabies | iain: you gotta think about what was this piece of hardware was made for, computers were made for servers and crunching numbers, not displaying videos and playing suond |
| 03:56.28 | Guerin | because the video hardware does the display work and the cpu does the heavy numerical lifting |
| 03:56.30 | Miesco | rabies: In the exim-config will it ask me for the external smtp server? |
| 03:56.44 | Guerin | Miesco: YES. |
| 03:56.44 | rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.58 | Guerin | Miesco: i told you what to do, WTF haven't you don it yet? |
| 03:57.00 | rabies | Miesco: plus i have no idea why you want your local mail server to send external mail for a single computer |
| 03:57.11 | rabies | Miesco: thats like having the post office for a single mailbox |
| 03:57.24 | tuvwx | Guerin, rabies: that was a nice show ;P |
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| 03:57.32 | rabies | tuvwx: can i have a cookie? |
| 03:57.37 | Miesco | Sorry |
| 03:57.37 | rabies | ;) |
| 03:57.58 | rabies | tuvwx: bored nerds on a monday night |
| 03:57.59 | tuvwx | someone talked too much ;) |
| 03:58.01 | Guerin | i'm taking a break from researching the taliban, one of the books I have shows them driving a tank over a pallet of beer :( |
| 03:58.25 | abrotman | that's just sick! |
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| 03:58.31 | rabies | what is it with you guys and beer |
| 03:58.45 | comsa | omg |
| 03:58.47 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
| 03:58.51 | Guerin | rabies: stops us from getting rabies |
| 03:59.04 | rabies | Guerin: kills your liver |
| 03:59.12 | Guerin | only in huge quantities |
| 03:59.16 | rabies | and your sense of taste |
| 03:59.20 | Guerin | not at all |
| 03:59.53 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.03 | rabies | moo |
| 04:00.03 | Guerin | cat: man mirror |
| 04:00.09 | cat | indeed ; |
| 04:00.20 | rabies | MOO! |
| 04:00.24 | enouf | does anubody else have a Dir called etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/ .. I cannot seem to find it at p.d.o .. which I succumbed to, after dpkg -S couldn't find it |
| 04:00.34 | enouf | anybody* |
| 04:00.41 | rabies | enouf: why? |
| 04:00.46 | Guerin | enouf: i blame gconf |
| 04:01.01 | Guerin | enouf: it's probably generated at install time, so doesn't show in a package listing |
| 04:01.03 | enouf | it's LOADED with 150-190K XML files |
| 04:01.11 | enouf | seemingly language specific |
| 04:01.12 | Guerin | enouf: they's the gconf registry |
| 04:01.15 | rabies | enouf: you developing for embedded software? |
| 04:01.22 | Guerin | great idea for a config system, really original eh |
| 04:01.25 | enouf | rabies: no .. not that I know of :-) |
| 04:01.33 | enouf | what a mess Guerin |
| 04:01.35 | rabies | enouf: soo...the caring is why? :) |
| 04:01.56 | enouf | rabies: I want them gone .. but I want to know where they came from and how they got there |
| 04:02.03 | rabies | enouf: oh? why? |
| 04:02.08 | Guerin | ok, israelis must be really fucking gullible. Israel has a population of, what, 6 million? And about a third of the spam I get is in fucking hebrew. |
| 04:02.13 | enouf | eating HDD space for one |
| 04:02.23 | rabies | enouf: yes, the 10 megs it takes up is horrifying |
| 04:02.30 | enouf | it's an 8.4GB HDD rabies |
| 04:02.42 | rabies | enouf: then why in the world are you using gnome? |
| 04:02.51 | aib | when I manuall install things into /usr/local as root, the output of ls -hall looks like this "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /usr/local/include/Inventor/Qt/devices/." what am I doing wrong? |
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| 04:03.01 | enouf | rabies: and I never use Gnome .. so wtf? |
| 04:03.11 | rabies | enouf: gnome/bonobo programs? |
| 04:03.21 | biatche | lets say i chmod ugo=+srwx to abc . abc is owned by johndoe:johndoe ...can johndoe delete abc? |
| 04:03.25 | enouf | rabies: but they did not come from GNOME .. or dpkg would have to ld so .. no? |
| 04:03.41 | rabies | enouf: say what? |
| 04:03.45 | enouf | rabies: I did once compile a GTK+ app though |
| 04:03.56 | Guerin | biatche: depends on the containing directory |
| 04:04.07 | enouf | rabies: why wouldn't dpkg know where they came form? |
| 04:04.08 | biatche | What do you mean by that? |
| 04:04.09 | rabies | enouf: okay...so whats this computer for again? |
| 04:04.11 | enouf | from* |
| 04:04.17 | rabies | enouf: like Guerin said, its autogenerated |
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| 04:04.32 | Guerin | biatche: if john can write to the directory in which abc is, then yes. If not, then no. |
| 04:04.35 | enouf | rabies: auto-generated by what? ... |
| 04:04.42 | rabies | enouf: a program that uses gconf. |
| 04:04.53 | rabies | enouf: trust me, theres more then one |
| 04:05.01 | biatche | What I'm trying to do is prevent a directory from being deleted even if the owner has rights to it. I was wondering if the +s flag could prevent it. |
| 04:05.09 | enouf | rabies: ok .. thanks for that .. do you know why eacyh file begins with a %25 ? in it's filename |
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| 04:05.36 | Miesco | Guerin, rabies: Hurray! It works! I can send email with mutt now! |
| 04:05.45 | ugly | how can I blacklist a module with udev active? |
| 04:05.47 | rabies | enouf: i think the answers you are looking for lay deep in the gconf documentation, im no expert |
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| 04:06.10 | cat | darn it now my x isn't working |
| 04:06.10 | rabies | enouf: and the majority of the people who do use gconf probably dont care about 10 megs, so its gonna be deep... |
| 04:06.14 | rabies | Miesco: grats |
| 04:06.14 | enouf | rabies: ok then .is there any way to back track where they came from? |
| 04:06.18 | speyer | how do i edit my main menu ? |
| 04:06.29 | rabies | enouf: i suppose you could delete them then monitor the directory |
| 04:06.55 | speyer | my main applications menu |
| 04:07.03 | rabies | enouf: or reinstall debian from debootstrap and start with a minialistic system instead of the default one |
| 04:07.06 | [Cadet] | speyer: alacarte |
| 04:07.06 | enouf | rabies: my main point was .. how am I to know that something/someone nefarious hasn't placed them there? |
| 04:07.15 | Guerin | enouf: dpkg -l |awk '/^ii/ {print $2}'|grep ^g |xargs aptitude purge # untested, but should remove everthing which has the remotest connection with gnome ;) |
| 04:07.17 | rabies | enouf: so you are worried about rootkits? |
| 04:07.33 | speyer | [Cadet] thank you |
| 04:07.36 | enouf | Guerin: you da man .. will follow up .. |
| 04:07.39 | enouf | rabies: indeed |
| 04:07.39 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:08.04 | rabies | um... |
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| 04:08.10 | Guerin | enouf: as well as gcc and, well, anything else beginning with g |
| 04:08.10 | rabies | beware of guerin's command lines |
| 04:08.15 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | it's funny, laugh |
| 04:08.23 | rabies | hes a scarcastic sob |
| 04:08.40 | enouf | yeah .. I'm not that .. er n00b :-P |
| 04:08.47 | Guerin | that's ugly, too, it should test $2 for ^g, but I cba rtfm |
| 04:09.06 | rabies | enouf: look, why are you even using debian in the first place? |
| 04:09.18 | enouf | Q .. if I uninstall Gnome .. does it take All GTK/GTK+ devel stuff too? |
| 04:09.23 | rabies | o_O |
| 04:09.30 | enouf | rabies: go back under stone now .. thanks |
| 04:09.47 | Guerin | Miesco: hurray! |
| 04:09.54 | rabies | enouf: you are the most paranoid person i've ever heard of |
| 04:10.01 | rabies | enouf: and the cheapest |
| 04:10.09 | enouf | got tinfoil hats too .. want a roll? :-P |
| 04:10.18 | Guerin | rabies: there's a guy called Theo de Raadt ... |
| 04:10.26 | enouf | yep .. I'm damned assed cheap bastard |
| 04:10.33 | rabies | Guerin: hrm...good point |
| 04:10.33 | enouf | hehe |
| 04:10.44 | Guerin | and it works, too |
| 04:10.45 | ugly | I added a module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it still loads on boot with udev active - how can I prevent this? |
| 04:10.46 | rabies | enouf: the 2nd most paranoid tight-walleted person ;) |
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| 04:11.03 | rabies | Guerin: though theo did somehow blow off a massive DoD contract |
| 04:11.17 | Guerin | my employer makes me carry a tracking device^W^Wswipe card to get into the building, and it doesn't work if the wallet it closed |
| 04:11.59 | mfrisch | Guerin: you wear a gps at work? |
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| 04:12.11 | Guerin | mfrisch: an rfid swipe card. |
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| 04:12.13 | rabies | Guerin: do they also give you regular trips to the vet? |
| 04:12.16 | speyer | [Cadet] it doesnt let me delete anything :( |
| 04:12.22 | rabies | =\ |
| 04:12.26 | Guerin | rabies: i wish. |
| 04:12.39 | Guerin | !beer sng |
| 04:12.42 | enouf | xml .. what a friggin dump! .. ugh |
| 04:12.46 | mfrisch | Guerin: is that differant than a plain smartcard? |
| 04:13.01 | enouf | somebody shoot those b0z0s |
| 04:13.12 | Guerin | mfrisch: `smartcard' is ambiguous. this is a card which you wave at a red light, it beeps and opens the door |
| 04:13.35 | rabies | this channel makes me too scarcastic |
| 04:13.35 | Guerin | mfrisch: some you actually have to swipe through a magstrip reader; those aren't so bad |
| 04:13.37 | speyer | is there any other package except alacarte to be able to edid the applications menu ? |
| 04:13.38 | rabies | the agonnyy |
| 04:13.51 | speyer | alacarte doesnt let me delete anything or make any changes |
| 04:13.57 | Guerin | speyer: be root |
| 04:14.54 | Guerin | fucking stupid university |
| 04:14.55 | mfrisch | Guerin: lots of those around here. I want one for home. I could swipe from around 2-3 inches |
| 04:15.09 | Guerin | they must go and reset all the damn passwords on jan 1 |
| 04:15.17 | Guerin | i can't login until I go back on-site |
| 04:15.34 | Guerin | mfrisch: yeh, well, i think readers have been hacked to read them at a distance of several metres |
| 04:15.45 | Guerin | mfrisch: which is why I have a tinfoil wallet. |
| 04:15.52 | [Cadet] | speyer: Even as a regular I can edit my menus. I usually just uncheck the entries and then they do not appear in the menus anymore. Not sure what your problems are |
| 04:15.57 | mfrisch | Guerin: aah |
| 04:16.25 | Guerin | mfrisch: happily, the encryption prevents writing to them, but still. My passport has one in, ffs. |
| 04:16.38 | speyer | [Cadet] works now i dont even had to delete then they will be get cleared automaticly |
| 04:16.55 | mfrisch | Guerin: I have heard hotels code keys with credit card info |
| 04:17.41 | Guerin | you watch: within a few years, when everyone has US-mandated RFID passports, someone will set up a high-grade RFID reader in the middle of Khao San Road in Bangkok, or the Bund in Shanghai, or ... anywhere, really. And watch your details go public. |
| 04:17.54 | Guerin | mfrisch: W T F |
| 04:17.57 | Guerin | mfrisch: that's insane |
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| 04:18.06 | Guerin | mfrisch: i'd sue them for all I was worth if they did that |
| 04:18.23 | Guerin | but then again, I don't stay at flash enough hotels ;) |
| 04:18.24 | Azar | Guerin from nothing in the past years now they made me carry 5 passwords and they change every 3 months |
| 04:18.32 | Bogus8 | what servers and options should I have in apt' sources.list (running etch weekly test) |
| 04:18.33 | Azar | ..at work |
| 04:18.47 | Guerin | Bogus8: run apt-spy |
| 04:19.06 | Guerin | Azar: heh. At my work, for all the permiter security, all the usernames and passwords are public |
| 04:19.12 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I would need to install that first ;) |
| 04:19.21 | mfrisch | Guerin: I just know I going to pay cash if I can. |
| 04:19.32 | Guerin | Azar: username lguerin; password would be louisg |
| 04:19.46 | Guerin | Bogus8: /msg dpkg mirrors, then |
| 04:19.54 | Bogus8 | k, thanks |
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| 04:20.06 | Azar | :) they don't allow me use my name on the password, and it has to be mix with numbers and has to have some caps... |
| 04:20.28 | Guerin | ih8p@SswprdZ |
| 04:20.44 | freq | hi, there is any hope to see java-package updated or java6 in debian ? |
| 04:20.45 | Azar | I mean im ok with passwords but for each damn application I have to use a different one |
| 04:20.59 | freq | before the next release of java at least :) |
| 04:20.59 | Guerin | freq: not likely, since sun are GPLing it soon. |
| 04:22.10 | Azar | what ticks me off is that more and more businesses start using debian and now they want to push it for a "marketable" debian |
| 04:22.22 | Guerin | let them push |
| 04:22.40 | Azar | for one I am glad ubuntu is out there, maybe they leave our debian alone |
| 04:22.48 | freq | Guerin: but java-packages worked fine with the old release, at least update it, i am not expert, but i don't think it's an hard work |
| 04:22.57 | Guerin | the DD community gets to decide; if they don't like the direction the project's taking, they get to elect a DPL annually |
| 04:23.22 | Guerin | freq: maybe not. I don't really know either, since I care not a whit for java ;) |
| 04:23.35 | enouf | !slap java |
| 04:23.58 | freq | Guerin: where can i ask about this ? debian java mailing list? |
| 04:24.34 | Guerin | freq: check the BTS; if there's nothing there, consider filing a bug at 1wishlist' priority requesting it. |
| 04:24.47 | Guerin | s/1/`/ |
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| 04:24.53 | freq | Guerin: ok thanks |
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| 04:31.24 | Azar | hmmm nice read, Guerin indulge please: http://www.openaddict.com/the_three_types_of_linux_users.html |
| 04:32.11 | Azar | see Conclusion: So, stop whining about Linux developers being paid for their services. It might actually help Debian if people are paid. |
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| 04:32.35 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I'm sorry but I'm still not getting it :( |
| 04:33.21 | Bogus8 | I tried to put ftp.us.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 04:33.23 | Azar | Bogus8: apt has a tool that will locate the best mirror for your sources |
| 04:33.38 | Bogus8 | Azar: apt-spy? it's not installed either |
| 04:33.48 | Azar | try apt-setup? |
| 04:33.56 | Bogus8 | k |
| 04:34.14 | Bogus8 | not installed |
| 04:34.34 | Azar | Bogus8: hold on I will give you a mirror, it works for me dunno if will work for you |
| 04:35.02 | Bogus8 | Azar: I left my laptop at home off, otherwise I'd be able to check and copy it |
| 04:35.20 | Bogus8 | didn't plan on doing this install at my buddy's house but I am :) |
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| 04:35.56 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib and his sister |
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| 04:36.21 | Bogus8 | Azar: I bet it's the missing /debian/ that I didn't have |
| 04:36.27 | Azar | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 04:36.48 | Azar | Bogus8: well then adjust your mirror on those two examples |
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| 04:37.13 | Bogus8 | Azar: what is "non-free" for? |
| 04:37.30 | Azar | Bogus8: that is for non-free like nvidia driver and such |
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| 04:37.40 | Bogus8 | I know I got the flash plug-in from there but I never understood it |
| 04:37.52 | Bogus8 | cool.. thank |
| 04:37.54 | Azar | if you use a video card that is not open source hardware , that is non-free |
| 04:38.12 | Bogus8 | ah ok |
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| 04:39.34 | Azar | well I do not agree with the writer either, that say that donations "must" be accepted, quote: You can't just take your ball and go home if you don't like some other viewpoints in the community. // hell yes is ticking the corporate off |
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| 04:45.49 | Azar | my take is that what makes Debian so attractive (besides the fact that it rocks) is the freedoms the community takes against the corps. And no threat will move it from its place, hopefully |
| 04:46.19 | mark__o | I've got a brand new partition, 400 GiB, and 6 GiB is already used up. Is that normal, and what's all that data used for? |
| 04:46.27 | lindenle | journal |
| 04:46.29 | Azar | Debian: the distro that did not bent over. |
| 04:46.33 | lindenle | what FS |
| 04:46.35 | mark__o | ext3 |
| 04:47.02 | mark__o | about 2% across all my new partitions |
| 04:47.08 | lindenle | yeah maybe journal or reserved space for root. You can change that reserved space to less |
| 04:47.17 | mark__o | i guess if it reduces fragmentation in the long run... |
| 04:47.19 | lindenle | there is like a -m option |
| 04:47.59 | lindenle | mark_o: -m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 04:48.50 | mark__o | thanks. i just used gparted on the live cd |
| 04:49.13 | mark__o | if there's a good reason to keep the reserved blocks i'll just keep it like it is |
| 04:49.21 | lindenle | mark__o:hmmm not so sure about gparted sorry,but 2% sounds reasonable i can compare |
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| 04:50.06 | ding | hello, when install debian from the internet, it will make the network down when accept the core-utils software package. |
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| 04:52.17 | dan2 | ~seen abrotman |
| 04:52.42 | apt | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 53m 55s ago, saying: 'mmm .. beer'. |
| 04:55.11 | Azar | I guess abrotman left, he was here earlier |
| 04:55.59 | Azar | ding maybe your connection does not hold, get only the base-install |
| 04:56.14 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.47 | lindenle | mark__o: first tune2fs -l /dev/XX |grep "^Journal inode" to make sure 8 is correct |
| 04:56.55 | Azar | Guerin |
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| 04:58.17 | niru | hello all |
| 04:59.58 | mark__o | ok debugfs gave back a size |
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| 05:00.17 | De_Mon | hmm... I created /usr as an lvm logical volumn... how would I go about increasing its size? |
| 05:00.54 | De_Mon | seems like I'd have to reboot and stop it from mounting and make sure the tools I need are installed on / |
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| 05:01.54 | lindenle | mark__o: does it make sense |
| 05:01.57 | mark__o | 134217728 |
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| 05:03.54 | mark__o | so, it reserves inodes? |
| 05:04.01 | mark__o | sorry i don't quite get it |
| 05:04.23 | lindenle | yes to keep the journal so .... well do you want me to explain the jist of a journal?? |
| 05:04.33 | lindenle | //query dpkg |
| 05:05.42 | mark__o | that's ok, so it's just keeping the journal |
| 05:06.21 | mark__o | amazing that ntfs only uses 5MB in a 30GB volume, while ext3 uses 725MB in a similar-sized volume |
| 05:06.21 | lindenle | mark__o: basically the fs writes to the journal everything it is going to do before it does it, that way if something bad happens during actual file transfer it can fix it when the machine comes back |
| 05:06.22 | niru | We have released our BOSS |
| 05:06.39 | niru | BOSS is an Indian version of linux os |
| 05:06.47 | niru | Bharat Operating system solutions |
| 05:07.54 | Rusty1 | niru url? |
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| 05:09.49 | niru | Rustyl:http://nrcfoss.org.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=107 |
| 05:10.00 | jair | guys I am little bit confuse using the x11vnc |
| 05:10.19 | niru | jair:why |
| 05:10.26 | jair | do i need to create a password and then connect using the password? or start the server using the password |
| 05:10.32 | jair | hello niru |
| 05:10.43 | jair | niru: I am trying to understand how to use it |
| 05:11.02 | niru | you mean vnc viewer jair |
| 05:11.22 | jair | no, the server |
| 05:11.32 | jair | the one that listen |
| 05:11.32 | jair | x11vnc |
| 05:11.33 | Azar | niru nice news, you guys rock |
| 05:11.45 | niru | Azar,thank you |
| 05:12.22 | scruffy | niru: I'd make the download link more obvious.. finally found it here: http://203.129.255.181:8085/wiki/index.php/Downloads |
| 05:12.37 | hark | niru: based on Debian? |
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| 05:13.05 | jair | niru: 1- I installed x11vnc, 2- I tyoed as root on the terminal "x11vnc" and I got a message about starting x11vnc without password, "warning" |
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| 05:13.29 | niru | scruffy:for downloading http://203.129.255.181/BOSS/BOSS-Tarang/ |
| 05:13.48 | niru | hark:yes its based on debian etch |
| 05:13.53 | mark__o | lindenle: thanks for the helpo |
| 05:13.54 | Azar | yea wget should be enough |
| 05:13.55 | mark__o | help |
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| 05:14.12 | niru | with added features and more friendly and with many extra features |
| 05:14.18 | mark__o | later |
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| 05:14.22 | jair | niru: :( |
| 05:14.45 | Azar | nice, eyecandy :) |
| 05:14.45 | jair | what is the proper way to use the x11vnc server |
| 05:15.02 | jair | niru: I guess I need to start it with the command "x11vnc" correct |
| 05:15.13 | jair | but I am having a warning about the passwords? |
| 05:15.22 | jair | I haven;t created a pasword |
| 05:15.35 | jair | the password have to be created in a text file? |
| 05:15.46 | rabies | jair: x11vnc server? |
| 05:15.47 | Azar | jair: why will you need a vnc |
| 05:16.03 | jair | I am reading through the man page and see examples and some explanation |
| 05:16.07 | jair | rabies: yes |
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| 05:16.41 | jair | Azar: is because I have a lab with about 60 computers and the lab is pretty cold, I sometimes would like to work from outside the cold room. |
| 05:16.49 | rabies | jair: ssh? |
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| 05:16.58 | jair | Azar: it is just in a internal private network |
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| 05:17.05 | Azar | if you start all 60 computers, they gonna warm up |
| 05:17.10 | rabies | jair: traditionally people use ssh and X forwarding... |
| 05:17.17 | jair | rabies: will be tunneled later through ssh |
| 05:17.24 | jair | hmm |
| 05:17.53 | jmd | What's the correct way to specify modules that should be loaded at boot time? |
| 05:17.57 | rabies | jair: honestly i dont know how to use x11vnc, but why arent you just using regular vnc or x forwarding or such? |
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| 05:18.15 | rabies | jair: seems easier |
| 05:18.22 | rabies | jmd: /etc/modules |
| 05:18.22 | Azar | j/k hmmm vnc be then |
| 05:18.22 | jair | yes but we have a cisco vpn and I can provide them with a software not encrypted (vnc) and have what i need much chipper and handy. |
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| 05:18.41 | rabies | jair: you know the difference between x11vnc and vnc right?> |
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| 05:18.45 | Sebboh | Hi all. Suppose I have PC's A and B, and I have a router that only has one port left. PC A has two ethernet ports. If I create a bridge of eth0 and eth1, I can get both A and B online, right? But do I assign an IP to br0, or eth0? Eth0 will be plugged into the router. |
| 05:18.51 | jmd | rabelais: Yeah, I sort of realised it was something to do with that. |
| 05:19.01 | niru | jair:is it asking for any password |
| 05:19.03 | jair | rabies: there should not be a big difference |
| 05:19.13 | jmd | rabelais: Sorry that was meant for rabies |
| 05:19.22 | rabies | jair: one attaches to an already running X session, the other one creates a new X like session |
| 05:19.40 | rabies | jair: so in order to x11vnc from what im reading right now, you have to already have X running on that computer |
| 05:19.40 | jair | niru: nope I create on in a path, but I know the password is there and the file is in his hand |
| 05:19.41 | jmd | rabies: The trouble is, every file in there seems to have a comment saying not to edit it. |
| 05:19.49 | rabies | jmd: modconf works too |
| 05:19.50 | Azar | Sebboh: yes you also need to use a bridge cable to connect them in line with the router |
| 05:20.09 | jair | rabies: correct, it is |
| 05:20.14 | jair | rabies: I have gnome |
| 05:20.27 | jmd | rabies no manual entry for modconf |
| 05:20.28 | rabies | jair: so you want to start up an X session, log in, then leave the lab and attach a vnc session to it? |
| 05:20.32 | rabies | jmd: install it |
| 05:20.52 | jair | niru: how will be the syntax of this command to start the server with the password. |
| 05:21.01 | rabies | jair: instead of just turning the computer on and creating a new session remotely? |
| 05:21.16 | Sebboh | Azar, normally, I'd have a static IP configured for eth0, in /etc/network/interfaces. Should I change that to br0? I lost connectivity to the machine when I added eth0 to the bridge, earlier.. :/ |
| 05:21.16 | niru | jair:what for you are using x11vnc |
| 05:21.16 | Bogus8 | I keep getting time outs on these apt-gets and updates... almost got all of apt-spy's dependancies and such but didn't get them all or apt-spy |
| 05:21.17 | jair | rabies: correct |
| 05:21.26 | Bogus8 | is there a known issue with the us and de servers? |
| 05:21.29 | rabies | jair: why? |
| 05:21.56 | rabies | jair: x11vnc seems like its for remote assistance for a user |
| 05:22.00 | Azar | Sebboh: I only have the general picture here: phisical connections, the PC connected to the router becomes a server for the second PC. |
| 05:22.04 | jair | niru: because I want to be able of walk through the process, installs, troubleshooting, share and guide users. |
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| 05:22.29 | jair | rabies: exactly |
| 05:22.31 | rabies | jair: so basically you want to do your whole job remotely? |
| 05:22.37 | rabies | jair: so you dont have to show up for work |
| 05:22.39 | jair | rabies: that is what I am looking for at this time |
| 05:22.42 | Azar | Sebboh: strangely enough the majority of routers sold today have at least four ports. |
| 05:22.52 | rabies | jair: fair enough, i suppose it'll work, i'd check the documentation |
| 05:22.59 | rabies | jair: 100% sure instructions will be there on setup |
| 05:22.59 | scruffy | rabies: sounds awesome to me also.. where can I sign up? |
| 05:23.19 | jair | rabies: not exactly, I will not need to run all the tim from the warm desk to the cold server room |
| 05:23.39 | jair | rabies: me too |
| 05:24.05 | rabies | jair: isnt this a computer lab? |
| 05:24.13 | jair | yes |
| 05:24.27 | Azar | Sebboh: I assume both PCs will use same static IP so they gonna chain... |
| 05:24.49 | jair | the good thing of the x11vnc is that I can let windows users also to access it. |
| 05:25.29 | scruffy | Sebboh: worst case scenario, you could just use A as B's gateway via NAT |
| 05:26.41 | scruffy | Sebboh: or maybe not, says I while looking at scroll buffer |
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| 05:26.47 | rabies | jair: i dont think you understand the difference between vnc and x11vnc |
| 05:26.51 | niru | jair:http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-cmdline-opts |
| 05:27.05 | jair | rabies: it is ok |
| 05:27.06 | jair | thanks |
| 05:27.10 | rabies | jair: np, good luck |
| 05:27.16 | jair | niru: I will check that right now |
| 05:27.21 | jair | thank you very much |
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| 05:28.31 | niru | jair:http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-passwd |
| 05:28.35 | niru | for password |
| 05:28.36 | Azar | Fluendo makes proprietary codecs available to Linux users < ha, rainfall for ubuntu |
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| 05:29.48 | PierreTramo | does blade use irc? |
| 05:30.09 | Azar | who is blade? |
| 05:30.14 | diskus | Azar: both PC's use same static IP, that's impossible isn't it? |
| 05:30.27 | PierreTramo | eduard bloch, Azar |
| 05:30.32 | Azar | diskus: no is kinda like sharing but it surely sucks |
| 05:30.51 | diskus | Azar: aah you mean to the outside world they will be seen as one PC |
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| 05:30.55 | diskus | Azar: it's called NAT |
| 05:31.15 | Azar | diskus: hmm I did not seen him particularily, but check our list or use whois |
| 05:31.21 | Azar | diskus: yes |
| 05:31.37 | Azar | linear chain sucks |
| 05:31.59 | Azar | even if they'd dhcp sharing same router... |
| 05:32.25 | Sebboh | Azar, scruffy, A and B will both get their own static IP |
| 05:33.25 | Azar | Sebboh: yes, and the one hooked on the router will act as a server for his poor brother |
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| 05:35.40 | Sebboh | No, I'm making a bridge.. Hmm.... |
| 05:35.43 | netrat | i'm trying to port forward internal traffic, meaning i can't use NAT. any suggestions or documentation someone could point me to? |
| 05:36.01 | Sebboh | I'll figure it out. |
| 05:36.44 | netrat | Sebboh: you are trying to make a bridge? I have experience |
| 05:36.50 | Sebboh | Basically, I want A and B plugged directly into the router, but I'm out of ports! So I'm using the bridge feature to make a hub on my PC. :P |
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| 05:37.26 | netrat | Sebboh: okay so where are you running into problems or do you just not know how to start? |
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| 05:37.36 | Sebboh | Hi netrat. I made a bridge, but then the PC running it lost connectivity... It was online with eth0, but died when I added eth0 to the bridge. Can I set up br0 with an IP like I used to do with eth0 |
| 05:37.37 | Sebboh | ? |
| 05:37.47 | RyanTMulligan | Is there a problem right now with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 05:37.57 | RyanTMulligan | or is it just me. |
| 05:38.33 | netrat | Sebboh: yes you'll add your two ethernet devices to the bridge, then set the ip address of br0 |
| 05:38.53 | netrat | Sebboh: ifconfig br0 192.168.0.5 <--- or whatever you ip address was |
| 05:39.14 | Sebboh | netrat, ok, then when I plug PC B into eth1, which is also a member of the bridge, it will be able to talk directly to the router and get its own IP, right? |
| 05:39.32 | netrat | Sebboh, yes if you setup the bridge correctly |
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| 05:39.38 | Sebboh | netrat, 192.168.1.5, actually. You should play the lotto. ;) |
| 05:40.15 | netrat | Sebboh, you can goto http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html look towards the bottom, standard configuration |
| 05:40.22 | Sebboh | ahh. |
| 05:40.24 | Sebboh | danke. |
| 05:40.35 | netrat | Sebboh, it has all the steps to create a bridge |
| 05:41.02 | netrat | i'm trying to port forward internal traffic, meaning i can't use NAT. any suggestions or documentation someone could point me to? |
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| 05:42.48 | Sebboh | netrat, you want a real solution or a temporary hack? :) SSH. |
| 05:43.20 | Sebboh | use the nocipher, if you like. |
| 05:43.21 | niru | jair:was it of any help |
| 05:43.27 | lkthomas | if I want to run a cronjob on 2PM everyday |
| 05:43.33 | lkthomas | should ‎I use 0 14 * * * ? |
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| 05:44.22 | niru | jair:are oyu there |
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| 05:45.31 | chronographe1 | Hi all, I have a prob trying to use swat |
| 05:45.42 | chronographe1 | firefox wont connect to port 901 |
| 05:45.58 | chronographe1 | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:901. |
| 05:46.01 | chronographe1 | any ideas? |
| 05:46.37 | jair | niru: I am but still hmm |
| 05:46.46 | jair | I create a file passwd |
| 05:46.53 | lkthomas | anyone hear me ? |
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| 05:46.59 | niru | jair:you are seeing that url |
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| 05:47.12 | chronographe1 | i can hear you! |
| 05:47.19 | jair | niru: yes I am reading it |
| 05:47.36 | niru | jair:go to question no.27 |
| 05:47.40 | lkthomas | if I want to run a cronjob on 2PM, should I use 0 14 * * * ? |
| 05:47.49 | niru | jair:that may help you |
| 05:47.50 | scruffy | chronographe1: enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload' |
| 05:47.53 | jair | I did this: x11vnc -storepasswd xxxxx /pass_vnc |
| 05:48.14 | jair | niru: now I have a password for the x11vnc |
| 05:48.24 | niru | http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq |
| 05:48.27 | jair | niru: let me check the question 27 |
| 05:48.51 | Azar | this sucks: another xfree86 upgrade |
| 05:48.54 | dendrite | lkthomas: Yes. |
| 05:49.00 | lkthomas | dendrite, thanks |
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| 05:49.17 | dendrite | lkthomas: As an aside, beware of running lots of stuff exactly on the hour. |
| 05:49.29 | Azar | I bet aptitude will get me the xdm again |
| 05:49.35 | lkthomas | dendrite, hmm |
| 05:49.42 | chronographe1 | inetd.conf: #<off># netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sb$ |
| 05:49.42 | chronographe1 | swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sb$ |
| 05:49.49 | chronographe1 | what should I change? |
| 05:49.53 | Azar | oh well.. |
| 05:49.58 | dendrite | lkthomas: ... Only because there's a natural tendency to do so, and it can bog things down. |
| 05:50.07 | jair | niru: I am almost done |
| 05:50.09 | lkthomas | right |
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| 05:50.35 | niru | jair,carry one |
| 05:50.44 | niru | jair,was that url helpfull |
| 05:50.54 | scruffy | chronographe1: grep -i local /etc/hosts.allow |
| 05:51.51 | niru | jair,carry on |
| 05:52.51 | jair | niru: it is now I am looking for the instructions on how to start properly the x11vnc |
| 05:53.06 | scruffy | chronographe1: echo ALL: LOCAL >> /etc/hosts.allow && /etc/init.d/inetd reload && telnet localhost 901 |
| 05:53.13 | dendrite | Hell, if there's a mushroom cloud on *my* horizon, I want more than a damn beer! |
| 05:53.19 | dendrite | Oops, wrong channel. |
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| 05:54.36 | chronographe1 | Permission denied! |
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| 05:55.31 | scruffy | chronographe1: make sure you're root first |
| 05:56.30 | chronographe1 | im using ubuntu with this comp... sudo didn't help |
| 05:57.08 | chronographe1 | i will use kde's gui to configure samba... My lappy uses debian with xfce, is there another gui for that to configure samba with? |
| 05:57.28 | scruffy | chronographe1: your guess is better than mine on that one |
| 05:57.39 | chronographe1 | no probs! |
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| 05:59.24 | scruffy | chronographe1: my guess is that tcpd is blocking your connection to port 901, if swat has been enabled in /etc/inetd.conf. You can try to disable the use of TCP wrappers (tcpd) for that particular line and see if it helps. |
| 05:59.25 | chronographe1 | my lappy says: /etc/init.d/inetd: no such file or directory... |
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| 05:59.45 | scruffy | chronographe1: you might be using xinetd as an alternative |
| 06:00.14 | chronographe1 | so change that line to ../etc/init.d/xinetd ?? |
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| 06:00.38 | scruffy | chronographe1: no, probably won't work that way with xinetd |
| 06:01.00 | scruffy | chronographe1: unless you've edited xinetd.conf, which is slightly different than inetd.conf |
| 06:01.32 | scruffy | chronographe1: also, we're talking about the machine serving the swat service, not any of the client that will be accessing it. |
| 06:03.03 | chronographe1 | er... maybe im above my head here... I have two comps and I want to enable some file sharing. I have recently moved from windows where it was relatively simple, now linux is proving to be "different"! my two conps can ping each other, how is best to share a folder? |
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| 06:04.20 | scruffy | chronographe1: using samba. you're on the right track, but swat is only a samba web-based configuration tool. you can still configure samba by hand editing its configuration files and having a pot of coffee or earl grey on hand. |
| 06:04.32 | chronographe1 | heh! |
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| 06:04.52 | scruffy | chronographe1: if the server is Ubuntu, #ubuntu might also be able to lend a hand |
| 06:04.52 | chronographe1 | I find it hard to know what to do when iread man files... |
| 06:05.01 | chronographe1 | sure |
| 06:05.04 | niru | jair,what happened |
| 06:05.08 | niru | any result |
| 06:05.37 | chronographe1 | I keep thinking they are similar, but they are too different to have directly interchangeable commands eh! |
| 06:06.06 | scruffy | chronographe1: most of the command line will be the same, and most file locations are the same |
| 06:06.06 | lkthomas | does you guys suggest to use RAID-0 or rsync over the second harddisk ? |
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| 06:07.56 | dendrite | lkthomas: Depends what you're trying to do. RAID0 is striping, no data redundancy. |
| 06:08.24 | dendrite | lkthomas: lkthomas RAID1 is disk mirroring, which I suppose is more comparable to rsync. |
| 06:08.26 | exobyte_ | How can I set up my dhcpd.conf file so that a host gets a lease, but always the same IP? Just making it static doesn't work; it needs an entry in the leases file |
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| 06:08.42 | scruffy | chronographe1: are all the machines some version of linux? is there no mac or windows machine in the group? |
| 06:09.15 | lkthomas | dendrite, but then I could rsync the whole HDD to another one, so that whenever the original HDD fail, I could remove it and plugin rsynced HDD and boot it up ? |
| 06:09.51 | dendrite | lkthomas: Right... |
| 06:09.59 | lkthomas | dendrite, so it makes no diff at all |
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| 06:10.18 | CompWizrd | exobyte: look into the host options for dhcpd.conf |
| 06:10.23 | lkthomas | but rsync give less headache for admin |
| 06:10.26 | dendrite | exobyte_: There are options to bind MAC addresses to specific IP addresses. |
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| 06:11.09 | dendrite | lkthomas: If you say so... If so, then fewer headaches is a GOOD thing! =) |
| 06:11.09 | niru | I want to add a document that will give a list of packages in the cd in my installable cd,how can I do that |
| 06:11.18 | lkthomas | dendrite, LOL, hmm |
| 06:11.19 | lkthomas | brb |
| 06:11.43 | niru | where I need to add the document to come on the desktop after the installation is finished |
| 06:12.40 | Sebboh | d'oh, netrat left. Anyone else know a lot about bridges? I added eth0 and eth1 to br0. I can ping the bridge machine, and it responds, but the traffic doesn't show up on the machine plugged into eth1. |
| 06:12.47 | dendrite | niru: I must be missing something, because generating a list of package files and dumping it to a text file seems trivial... |
| 06:12.50 | scruffy | niru: `dpkg -l | grep ^ii` will list installed packages |
| 06:13.22 | dendrite | Sebboh: Is your routing sorted out? |
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| 06:14.08 | biatche | how do i force cron to execute immediately? |
| 06:14.16 | jmd | How do I get the /dev/video* files in 2.6.18 ? |
| 06:14.24 | scruffy | Sebboh: there isn't iptables in the mix is there? |
| 06:15.22 | dendrite | biatche: Cron, or a particular crontab entry? |
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| 06:15.31 | niru | scruffy:I want that as soon as user installes BOSS he can find a text file on some location that shows a list of packages |
| 06:15.32 | scruffy | jmd: look into `man MAKEDEV` |
| 06:15.33 | biatche | cron.daily |
| 06:15.43 | Sebboh | dendrite, well, I think so. All the PCs and the router are on the same subnet, and they all have the same simple default route. |
| 06:15.55 | niru | scruffy:I dont want that user should type the command |
| 06:16.06 | jmd | scruffy: I thought that was obsolete and udev was supposed to do it automajically |
| 06:16.10 | scruffy | niru: list of packages which can be installed, or list of packages which are installed already? |
| 06:16.21 | dendrite | Sebboh: Do the ARP tables look sane? |
| 06:16.22 | Sebboh | scruffy, uh, no. When I make a bridge of eth0 and eth1, all the traffic that happens on either should be mirrored to the other. So eth0 and eth1 become a hub. |
| 06:16.27 | scruffy | jmd: you got me there.. you could be correct |
| 06:16.33 | niru | scruffy:list of packages which are installed |
| 06:16.34 | Sebboh | How do I check that? |
| 06:17.16 | scruffy | Sebboh: have B ping something other than A and see if you get a response? |
| 06:17.49 | Sebboh | scruffy, I can't even ping A. No response, period. B doesn't even see A's traffic. |
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| 06:18.18 | Sebboh | And A doesn't report any packets transmitted to eth1, even though all the eth0 packets should be duplicated there. |
| 06:18.50 | scruffy | niru: not sure. your installation scripting would probably need to execute that command (e.g. export COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' >> /path/to/Desktop/Document) |
| 06:19.31 | scruffy | Sebboh: is the bridge showing up in ifconfig? (disclaimer: i've never set up a bridge) |
| 06:20.05 | Sebboh | Yes, is is showing up, and I can ping the bridge machine from PC C. =) |
| 06:20.17 | niru | scruffy:ok I shall check |
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| 06:21.25 | scruffy | Sebboh: PC C is coming in through... eth0? |
| 06:21.42 | scruffy | Sebboh: both cards showing up in ifconfig? |
| 06:22.07 | scruffy | Sebboh: no funny business going on in dmesg? |
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| 06:22.58 | scruffy | Sebboh: how does `route -n` look? |
| 06:23.11 | dendrite | Sebboh: Do both bridge ethernet cards have the same IP? |
| 06:25.20 | scruffy | If I had an extra machine on hand, I would actually try this with you |
| 06:25.22 | Sebboh | dendrite, no. On the bridge machine, eth0 and eth1 have 0.0.0.0. br0 has 192.168.1.5. I can ping the bridge machine from PC C. (192.168.1.3). Now, the third machine is connected to eth1 via crossover... And eth0 on that machine is configured to 192.168.1.4... |
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| 06:26.17 | Sebboh | scruffy, well, a lot of your questions are about the IP level... The bridge does not occur at the IP level! |
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| 06:27.33 | dendrite | Sebboh: I still suspect ARP chaos. |
| 06:28.04 | Sebboh | One thing I noticed, though. dendrite, scruffy, let me know if this is important.. In my ifconfig report, eth0 is listed as "up broadcast running promisc multicast". Br0 is the same minus promisc. Eth1 has promisc but is missing running. What's this mean? |
| 06:28.47 | scruffy | Sebboh: did you do this? Scroll down, see: 6.2. Basic Setup (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html) |
| 06:28.54 | Sebboh | PumpkinPie, I can't return your message because I'm not registered. |
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| 06:29.42 | Sebboh | yes that's exactly what I did. The only thing that is different is, I used the ifup/down system to give br0 and IP. And, eth0 still has an ipv6 IP associated with it. |
| 06:29.50 | dendrite | Sebboh: eth1 ought to be running, I'd think. |
| 06:30.03 | Guerin | Sebboh: #networking |
| 06:30.05 | Sebboh | what does 'running' signify? How do I turn that on? |
| 06:30.09 | Sebboh | We have a #networking? |
| 06:30.14 | Guerin | Sebboh: dunno :) |
| 06:30.28 | scruffy | Sebboh: what has eth0 in promisc?? |
| 06:30.54 | scruffy | Sebboh: running is OK |
| 06:31.03 | Sebboh | scruffy, the bridge! =) How else would it automagically forward *all traffic, at the line level* to eth1? |
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| 06:31.39 | scruffy | Sebboh: remember my disclaimer? heheh |
| 06:34.08 | Sebboh | Different question: how do I remove ipv6 support from my debian machine? |
| 06:36.11 | stoned | it is kernel related |
| 06:36.49 | stoned | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 06:37.01 | stoned | alias net-pf-10 off |
| 06:37.01 | stoned | alias ipv6 off |
| 06:37.09 | stoned | to /etc/modprobe.d/00local (creating the file if it exists). |
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| 06:37.30 | Azar | bwahahahaha the voles start looking around and now they start saying that open source is predatory (steals their customers) |
| 06:37.35 | Sebboh | hum. Thanks, stoned. ... I don't just remove some packages? :P |
| 06:37.36 | linux_jones | if i update my kernel, do i have to reinstall ndiswrapper? |
| 06:38.20 | stoned | yes |
| 06:38.46 | Azar | stoned! Guerin :) did you two have been drinking together? |
| 06:38.53 | stoned | why? |
| 06:39.01 | Guerin | Azar: stoned doesn't drink, he's a muslim |
| 06:39.07 | stoned | fuck off! |
| 06:39.07 | stoned | lol |
| 06:39.13 | Azar | Guerin's last message here was : <Guerin> --> beer |
| 06:39.19 | Guerin | stoned: you're going to the special hell ;) |
| 06:39.23 | stoned | i konw |
| 06:39.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:39.27 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 06:39.27 | dpkg | [bongswat] "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 06:39.36 | scruffy | Sebboh: does eth1 state that it's UP (although it doesn't say RUNNING)? |
| 06:40.05 | Sebboh | yep |
| 06:40.14 | stoned | linux_jones, yes you need to recompile new modules etc. when you upgrade a kernel |
| 06:40.30 | linux_jones | is there a way to upgrade to etch without downloading the netinst cd ? |
| 06:40.39 | linux_jones | stoned, how do go about doing that? |
| 06:40.39 | stoned | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:40.54 | stoned | modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:40.59 | scruffy | Sebboh: and you say you aren't seeing any errors related to eth1 in the output of dmesg? |
| 06:40.59 | Azar | linux_jones: you gotta prepare a bit before upgrading |
| 06:41.13 | stoned | change every occurance of sarge or stable with etch or testing |
| 06:41.14 | linux_jones | azar, prepair how? |
| 06:41.22 | stoned | then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:41.24 | stoned | goddamit |
| 06:41.27 | stoned | there is a factoid for this |
| 06:41.35 | stoned | !sarge->etch |
| 06:41.35 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 06:41.48 | Azar | linux_jones: do yourself a good and read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 06:42.52 | Sebboh | scruffy, I get some messages informing me that the link is going up and down, every time I bring it up or down. Scruffy, Thank you for your time.. But don't spend too much time on this, unless you're really bored! I'm fiddling with it now. |
| 06:44.32 | scruffy | Sebboh: I am bored, but I'd been reading your messages about this, off and on, before I said anything. I'd actually like to know the solution. |
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| 06:45.17 | Sebboh | scruffy, ok, now I got both eth1 and eth0 looking the same in ifconfig.. No IP, not up, etc. Clean slate. Trying the directions from the FAQ now. |
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| 06:48.52 | stoned | Azar, Guerin, check this out. http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/cart.jpg |
| 06:49.13 | stoned | I changed the PSU, not enermax anymore |
| 06:49.19 | stoned | but rest is same |
| 06:49.37 | stoned | thoughts? |
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| 06:53.06 | Sebboh | ok. when I bring the bridge up, I get different messages for eth1 and eth0. Eth0 says link no ready, then it says it's ready. Eth1 just says that it's not ready. |
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| 06:54.57 | Sebboh | ahahahaha Scruffy, guess what. My 3rd PC was plugged into eth2, not eth1. :D |
| 06:54.58 | Guerin | stoned: what I know about modern commodity hardware ain't worth knowing |
| 06:55.13 | Sebboh | stupid dual port nic. |
| 06:55.23 | scruffy | Sebboh: I knew that all along, I was just testing you.. lol |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin | stoned: i use stock white-box gear which has to fulfill one condition: supported by the linux kernel. |
| 06:55.32 | Guerin | that's it |
| 06:55.44 | stoned | Guerin, huh? That a cheap gaming machine |
| 06:56.03 | scruffy | Sebboh: I was about to say that this guy has the steps in a different order: http://themes.freshmeat.net/articles/view/1433/ |
| 06:56.25 | stoned | Guerin, I made sure all the hardware works with debian by reading reviews |
| 06:56.29 | Guerin | stoned: a `cheap gaming machine' is about three computers to me |
| 06:56.31 | Sebboh | The very first thing I tried before I came in the channel would have worked if I'd had my cables plugged in the right places. ;) |
| 06:56.36 | scruffy | Sebboh: (I'm ignoring the squid nonsense of course) |
| 06:56.37 | CompWizrd | check the voltage on the memory, you don't want to have memory that needs to be set to non standard (>1.8V), if your bios ever gets reset. |
| 06:56.49 | stoned | Guerin, i know, I coudl put together about 2 full machine with that money |
| 06:56.56 | Guerin | holy fuck, my kitten just brought in a piece of rye toast |
| 06:56.58 | stoned | Guerin, I play oblivion. I'm a sucker for it |
| 06:57.01 | Sebboh | Well, sweet. I now have five PCs online with my four port hub. Sweet. Software solution to a hardware problem. |
| 06:57.04 | scruffy | Sebboh: at least I know how to set up a bridge now! :D |
| 06:57.06 | stoned | Guerin, awe |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | he sure is a mighty hunter |
| 06:57.21 | stoned | lol |
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| 06:57.46 | Sebboh | Guerin, he only steals to feed his family. ;) |
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| 07:03.55 | Guerin | Sebboh: he's 12 weeks old, the little dude doesn't have a family |
| 07:04.34 | Sebboh | well, you! |
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| 07:05.37 | stoned | awe |
| 07:05.39 | stoned | thats cute |
| 07:05.41 | stoned | I love cats |
| 07:05.43 | x_or | I am trying to forward a port to another machine using netcat, proxying the request. Anyone know how I can do this? Or, good documentation? |
| 07:05.45 | stoned | I don't like dogs |
| 07:05.56 | stoned | :D |
| 07:06.13 | Guerin | stoned: he growled at me when I tried to take it off him, so I don't think it's for me. |
| 07:06.18 | Guerin | Sebboh: |
| 07:06.28 | Guerin | i like dogs |
| 07:06.36 | stoned | dogs get ugly when they grow up |
| 07:06.38 | Guerin | especially with hot sauce and sesame leaves |
| 07:06.40 | stoned | grow a snout |
| 07:06.44 | stoned | meh |
| 07:06.47 | concept10 | I just got home from an orgy that sucked |
| 07:06.53 | stoned | I like puppies |
| 07:06.56 | stoned | they dont' have a snout |
| 07:06.59 | jetscreamer | all male eh concept10 |
| 07:06.59 | Guerin | concept10: better luck next time |
| 07:07.01 | stoned | they are just as cute as cats |
| 07:07.13 | Guerin | jetscreamer: all fat computer geeks |
| 07:07.22 | stoned | lol |
| 07:07.24 | Guerin | jetscreamer: sit around wanking and talking about ethernet |
| 07:07.28 | stoned | some people like fat |
| 07:07.29 | concept10 | jetscreamer, 2 f 2 m |
| 07:07.41 | concept10 | freaks suck |
| 07:07.41 | stoned | concept10, this is highly inappropriate |
| 07:07.59 | concept10 | I could have been working on python code |
| 07:08.11 | Guerin | them's priorities for ya |
| 07:08.21 | concept10 | and I hurt my shoulder |
| 07:08.37 | concept10 | how I hurt it, I dont know |
| 07:08.53 | Guerin | but you should see the other guy |
| 07:09.04 | stoned | concept10, you're saying freaks suck? Dude, you jsut fucking came from an orgy... |
| 07:09.06 | dendrite | x_or: Why not use iptables? |
| 07:09.07 | stoned | yo'ure one to talk ;) |
| 07:09.28 | concept10 | stoned, im saying dont mess with those kind of girls/people |
| 07:09.44 | stoned | but you were just there instead of coding python |
| 07:09.47 | stoned | you said the orgy sucked |
| 07:09.56 | stoned | wtf did you go there for if you don't like freaks |
| 07:10.14 | jetscreamer | time for that hiv test |
| 07:10.23 | concept10 | stoned, the last time I seen her was at my other house, I had a hot tub overthere, it was easy to get women |
| 07:10.24 | stoned | you're tellini me |
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| 07:10.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:10.54 | Guerin | yeah, i bet you flit between houses in your private helicopter |
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| 07:10.59 | concept10 | stoned, when you have a hot tub, half the work is done, you just have to get them home |
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| 07:11.15 | concept10 | Guerin, im dead serious |
| 07:11.19 | stoned | concept10, w/e |
| 07:11.22 | niru | Guerin:hi |
| 07:11.22 | Guerin | driven by your ex-KGB bodyguard ... named Svetlana |
| 07:12.30 | stoned | haha |
| 07:12.30 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:12.30 | concept10 | do you want to see? |
| 07:12.30 | chronographe1 | hEY SCRUFFY, ME AGAIN, ALL MY MACHINES ARE LINUX, does this make sharing a network folder easier? |
| 07:12.30 | Guerin | wait, I can google up some pix, too |
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| 07:12.31 | niru | scruffy:are you there |
| 07:12.31 | jetscreamer | i think he thunk you said you have >1 house atm |
| 07:12.31 | Guerin | chronographe1: yes, much. |
| 07:12.31 | chronographe1 | ok good, how do I do it nice and easy? |
| 07:12.32 | Guerin | chronographe1: foloow the NFS howto at tldp |
| 07:12.35 | concept10 | I said my old house, meaning I moved |
| 07:12.49 | concept10 | scroll up |
| 07:12.50 | chronographe1 | tldp? |
| 07:12.56 | jetscreamer | you said other, btw |
| 07:12.58 | Guerin | chronographe1: .org |
| 07:13.01 | chronographe1 | thx |
| 07:13.21 | concept10 | jetscreamer, youre right, anyway, thats what I meant |
| 07:13.34 | Guerin | chronographe1: the bit about package installation requires you to aptitude search nfs and then install some packages |
| 07:13.37 | jetscreamer | i need a job reading between lines |
| 07:13.41 | Guerin | chronographe1: otherwise it should be all the same |
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| 07:14.11 | concept10 | jetscreamer, its funny, im the only real gangster on irc |
| 07:14.19 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:14.26 | Guerin | yeah, except stoned |
| 07:14.32 | Guerin | he's the paki mafia |
| 07:14.36 | concept10 | I do real stuff, but I like debian |
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| 07:14.55 | Guerin | watch out, he'll make you into jalfrezi |
| 07:14.57 | jetscreamer | i'm a nerd whose never done anything |
| 07:15.08 | concept10 | I was chased by the police one night and the first thing i did was come in #debian and tell everyone, it was funny |
| 07:15.16 | Guerin | concept10: i remember that, too |
| 07:15.19 | jetscreamer | oh horrors |
| 07:15.26 | Guerin | concept10: we told you to turn yourself in, did you not? |
| 07:15.30 | jetscreamer | i just can't imagine being there |
| 07:15.44 | pablum | omg... I remember that and I'm not a regular. :) |
| 07:15.45 | concept10 | Guerin, do you remember that, seriously? |
| 07:16.03 | jetscreamer | you're a naughty boy |
| 07:16.06 | Guerin | concept10: hell yeah, was funny as hell. Then you disappeared for a while and we thought you'd gont to lockup. |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | despite my best efforts I've never been arrested, get on reasonably well with coppers |
| 07:16.28 | concept10 | Im going to show the car |
| 07:16.42 | Guerin | which is good, since my brother-in-law is a detective sergeant |
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| 07:17.05 | concept10 | http://pastie.caboo.se/31031 |
| 07:17.10 | nvz | how do I manage profiles in firefox? I dont see anything in the browser anywhere.. |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | nvz: they got excised, I think. It's done by homedir now. You can probably start it with --profile-dir=foo or something |
| 07:17.48 | nvz | and does anyone know if the directories of the profiles is completly random? they have weird alphanumeric names |
| 07:17.55 | concept10 | police car cant catch that |
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| 07:18.16 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 07:18.30 | nvz | Guerin: well I'd like to have different profiles for testing things and ideally have it named something more sane than /home/nvz/.mozilla/firefox/h7f6w1nc.default/ |
| 07:18.31 | jetscreamer | must be a very underfunded pd |
| 07:18.54 | concept10 | I have a very fast engine in there |
| 07:18.57 | Guerin | our police dept drives 4.6 litre v8s |
| 07:19.07 | concept10 | I have a 5.4 |
| 07:19.12 | dendrite | Our PD flies helicopters... |
| 07:19.17 | Guerin | they can catch anything which costs less than about $100k |
| 07:19.20 | nvz | I was thinking there would be some gui profile manager.. as I think I've seen it come up before on its own |
| 07:19.39 | concept10 | that car puts out over 300 bhp |
| 07:19.41 | Guerin | concept10: yeah, you're in the USA where a 2.5 litre is a `runabout' |
| 07:19.58 | concept10 | dont let the look fool you |
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| 07:20.45 | Bogus8 | I'm messing with fstab, trying to mount a drive (auto) and be readable by all users... I have "default" on another box but it's not working here... |
| 07:20.53 | nvz | nm, I RTFM :P |
| 07:20.58 | Bogus8 | is fstab run under a different user than root on boot? |
| 07:21.08 | craigevil | start firefox from a terminal with firefox -profilemanager and you can create a profile with anyname you want |
| 07:21.14 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 07:21.15 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 07:21.29 | Azar | Bogus8: why asking? |
| 07:21.50 | Guerin | Bogus8: what filesystem? |
| 07:22.10 | jetscreamer | isn't it always vfat or ntfs when they ask |
| 07:22.18 | Bogus8 | Azar: because I did a /device /mount_point ntfs ro,auto 0 0 and when I mount -a w/ root it mounts but no perms |
| 07:22.24 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:22.36 | jetscreamer | i really need that line job |
| 07:22.38 | Guerin | Bogus8: see above |
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| 07:23.03 | Bogus8 | why would it be different than an ext3 as far as permissions? |
| 07:23.09 | jetscreamer | you want the 002 umask btw for groups |
| 07:23.11 | jetscreamer | it just is |
| 07:23.15 | jetscreamer | or is it |
| 07:23.40 | Bogus8 | ok, so I'm correct in realizing i was doing it correct for all intents and purposes ..just wrong because it's ntfs |
| 07:23.51 | cwheeler | hi jetscreamer |
| 07:23.56 | jetscreamer | of course, you want to write to ntfs? |
| 07:23.58 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 07:24.13 | cwheeler | you recall the params to pass a module major,minor dev #s? |
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| 07:24.14 | Guerin | ntfs is wrong |
| 07:24.19 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: negative... I'm not that green... i know that is trouble |
| 07:24.25 | Azar | Bogus8: like guerin said look up ^^^^^ at dpkg answer |
| 07:24.46 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with ntfs imo but i'm no fs guru |
| 07:24.54 | hark | Bogus8: you can use ntfs-3g for rw access |
| 07:24.58 | Bogus8 | Azar: I am... just making sure this is just a special case for ntfs and such either that or I had it all wrong |
| 07:25.05 | jetscreamer | i remember 13 |
| 07:25.07 | Bogus8 | hark: I don't care to risk it |
| 07:25.13 | jetscreamer | as one that you were looking at |
| 07:25.19 | jetscreamer | but no i don't know |
| 07:25.22 | Azar | Bogus8: honestly, I never used ntfs on my Debian.. |
| 07:25.27 | cwheeler | I know the numbers to use i need the syntax to pass them to a module |
| 07:25.43 | jetscreamer | no no idea i never have had to do that |
| 07:25.48 | Bogus8 | I was using my FC3 box as an example but it's 3 ext3 drives and that was a long time ago (FC3) |
| 07:26.00 | hark | Bogus8: well, it's quite safe, afaik |
| 07:26.03 | cwheeler | thanks, someone in here told me but i spaced them |
| 07:26.16 | jetscreamer | no logging eh |
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| 07:26.34 | Bogus8 | hark: cool, that's news to me... I haven't messed with it since FC3 days |
| 07:27.51 | cilkay | Hello. Doesn anyone know where I can find FreeNX packages for NX that are signed? The only source I've found so far have unsigned packages and I don't want to pollute my pristine installation with unsigned packages or by installing from source tarball. |
| 07:28.21 | Bogus8 | is there a way to make it ANYONE vs certain groups? |
| 07:28.38 | hark | Bogus8: ntfs-3g.org |
| 07:29.04 | jetscreamer | yes umask 000 |
| 07:29.08 | Bogus8 | hark: does that work with the native ntfs support? |
| 07:29.17 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 07:29.21 | jetscreamer | man mount dude |
| 07:29.26 | nvz | bah, what I am trying to do right now is script bookmark generation in firefox and it says right at the top of bookmarks.html this file is automatically generated it will be read and overwritten, do not edit |
| 07:29.27 | jetscreamer | no not him! |
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| 07:30.14 | enouf | nvz: you like being told you can't do something? |
| 07:30.14 | cableroyWRK | where can i read about the diffrent options in postfix/debconf internet site,internet with smarthost,satellite system...? |
| 07:30.32 | nvz | enouf: not really :P |
| 07:30.36 | stoned | nvz, what you need to do is finish that guitar app |
| 07:30.41 | stoned | nvz, lazy bastadge |
| 07:30.43 | enouf | nvz: stop using that crap |
| 07:30.45 | nvz | stoned: heh |
| 07:30.45 | hark | Bogus8: the link should explain everything. the only problem i've heard of is high cpu usage when moving large files. |
| 07:31.09 | enouf | stoned: ! + .. mr music .. keep strumin homey :-) |
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| 07:31.25 | Bogus8 | hark: yeah, I'm just not interested in installing that driver... I am just going to get the files off then format it to something other than ntfs ;) |
| 07:31.52 | nvz | stoned: I wasnt writing an app, more of a library but I am not really sure I fully understand what it is I want it to do yet.. I dont have the skills to write an application |
| 07:31.59 | hark | Bogus8: yeah, down with NTFS! |
| 07:32.23 | concept10 | Guerin, jetscreamer: http://pastie.caboo.se/paste/asset/31031/regal_engine.bmp |
| 07:32.24 | Bogus8 | hark: word! |
| 07:32.25 | enouf | Bogus8: thank goodness |
| 07:32.25 | cilkay | nvz: you would add bookmarks via the XPCOM interface, not by writing directly to that file. |
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| 07:32.43 | nvz | cilkay: whatever that means :P |
| 07:32.44 | tarzeau | abrotman! bitch! |
| 07:32.54 | cilkay | nvz: if you have to ask... |
| 07:32.55 | enouf | especially for NOT contributing to this ensuing homogenization .. ugh! |
| 07:33.00 | Bogus8 | enouf: I have never had a desire to stick with this... I'm working with a buddy to set his stuff up... trying to convert him to the darkside ;) |
| 07:33.03 | nvz | cilkay: I figured |
| 07:33.55 | Azar | tarzeau you like ambient music? |
| 07:34.01 | tarzeau | Azar: yes |
| 07:34.03 | enouf | Bogus8: make him see the Light! .. give him/her a spork! |
| 07:34.11 | nvz | I am trying to make a generic toolbar using my bookmarks toolbar and I wanted to dynamically generate the links based on site changes.. looks like I would just as well have to learn to write my own toolbar extension |
| 07:34.13 | Azar | I got me xerxes you heard of the guy? |
| 07:34.28 | enouf | Bogus8: and throw fish in his general direction .. trout preferably |
| 07:34.57 | Bogus8 | thanks fellas... damn ntfs was making me think I had forgotten everything I ever learned about linux |
| 07:36.23 | markybob | Bogus8, fyi, debian has an old version of ntfs-3g which has given a lot of people problems with large files. i'd suggest you download the latest from ntfs-3g.org instead |
| 07:36.24 | Azar | http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/xr-compo.xm.zip << tarzeau a sample |
| 07:36.57 | cilkay | nvz: take a look at how bookmarks added by something like the Bookmark Tags extension. Mozilla .xpi files are like a zip file that are a neat container for all the bits that make up an extension. |
| 07:37.13 | Bogus8 | markybob: in just RO mode? |
| 07:37.16 | hark | markybob: the cpu usage problem? |
| 07:37.47 | Bogus8 | does etch testing have 3g in the kernel? |
| 07:37.51 | markybob | Bogus8, i meant rw. |
| 07:37.55 | Bogus8 | it's a fresh install |
| 07:38.16 | Bogus8 | markybob: ah, I'm gonna avoid RW to be safe |
| 07:38.17 | markybob | hark, my problem was that it took forever to transfer 1G+ files...which unfortunately is what i needed it for |
| 07:38.19 | hark | Bogus8: you have to install it. |
| 07:38.33 | Bogus8 | hark: cool |
| 07:38.34 | enouf | nvz : basically saying ..learn XUL |
| 07:38.42 | enouf | !tell Bogus8 about ntfs |
| 07:38.48 | nvz | I am more leaning towards making 800 links by hand at this point.. what I need is a damn toolbar and they made tons of them for this site but none of them are even worth having a toolbar for |
| 07:38.52 | enouf | seee the last URL |
| 07:38.59 | Bogus8 | enouf: enouf already :p I get it ;) |
| 07:39.58 | Bogus8 | np |
| 07:40.13 | nvz | when you want a toolbar for myspace you want one that actually saves you the time of having to load a million pages.. you want a pulldown with all your friends in it and links to send them messages and whatnot.. even the best toolbars out there dont show any of your friends links unless you are on their fucking page, which defeats the purpose of having a toolbar, cause if you are on their page you can just click on their damn message link |
| 07:40.54 | enouf | nvz: hehe .. stupid browsers |
| 07:41.30 | Azar | hmm rather a webmessenger |
| 07:41.34 | enouf | nvz: but you just lost all credibilty with those two words .. :-P |
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| 07:41.38 | nvz | the link to send a message, view a profile, etc is all the same except the users id number.. so really all I want is a bunch of folders with the same links in them but a different user id.. ideally it would be nice to be able to use variables in the bookmarks.. say this is George's folder put george's uid in all these fucking links therein |
| 07:42.13 | enouf | erm .. 1 word .. ya kn0w what I mean |
| 07:42.19 | nvz | heh |
| 07:42.43 | nvz | I know I hate the damn site too.. but I am trying to mask the problems with it and just get used to it |
| 07:43.02 | nvz | even my grandmother is on there now and she's 70 |
| 07:43.18 | Azar | whats the name of the browser that will replace firefox? |
| 07:43.22 | Azar | iceweasel? |
| 07:43.25 | nvz | this is one hell of a way for me to keep in touch with people and share information even if they arent computer literate |
| 07:43.32 | enouf | yep Azar |
| 07:43.51 | Azar | is Debian specific browser right? |
| 07:44.04 | Azar | I mean made by the Debian dev? |
| 07:44.08 | enouf | Azar: it's a debian fork .. iiuc |
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| 07:44.16 | Azar | cool, cuz I have an idea |
| 07:44.19 | sep | Azar, iceweasel=firefox (with a different name) |
| 07:44.23 | enouf | Azar: there's also GNU's iceweasel |
| 07:44.30 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 07:44.41 | Azar | enouf: what you could think about a browser that comes with a web-messenger? |
| 07:44.56 | Azar | seen that before? |
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| 07:45.02 | enouf | Azar: two words I disdain .. how's that? |
| 07:45.02 | nvz | Azar: yeah msie |
| 07:45.09 | Azar | nvz no |
| 07:45.18 | Azar | its like this |
| 07:45.19 | nvz | Azar: msie aka windows explorer aka windows messenger |
| 07:45.31 | Azar | you open up the browser and start surfing sites |
| 07:45.42 | Azar | on each site you see the people visiting it |
| 07:45.42 | nvz | Azar: the whole windows shell, browser, and messenger and all that is completly integrated |
| 07:45.45 | sep | Azar, multitool is only done right by letherman, i prefer 1 tool 1 job. less bloat |
| 07:45.57 | Azar | come on guys you arent listening |
| 07:46.05 | Azar | is not the ms messenger |
| 07:46.09 | Azar | with buddy list |
| 07:46.16 | hark | there's meebo for IM |
| 07:46.19 | Azar | is like walking on the street and seeing people |
| 07:46.29 | Azar | strangers |
| 07:46.43 | enouf | 5 gazillion strangers .. lovely .. |
| 07:46.45 | nvz | yeah they have something like that for shared browsing |
| 07:46.58 | Azar | say you go on debian site and see everyone who's visiting the site at same time |
| 07:47.07 | enouf | make sure to load plenty of Salt .. sardines lije salt |
| 07:47.11 | enouf | like* |
| 07:47.18 | Azar | it was called gooey, and died many years ago |
| 07:47.29 | Azar | I found it useful |
| 07:47.33 | hark | there's a FF extension for that too, afaik |
| 07:47.35 | Azar | as long as it lasted |
| 07:47.38 | Guerin | sep: me too. Single-blade brass, wood and stainless made-in-china folding knife FTW |
| 07:47.39 | nvz | but anyways I got 800 bookmarks to make |
| 07:47.40 | sep | Azar, i dont think it would increase my productivity |
| 07:47.51 | Guerin | sep: if a knife lasts until you lose it, it was a good knife |
| 07:47.53 | Bogus8 | all that work and he's got all the files backed up already.... so I'm wiping it out and going ext3 now ;) |
| 07:47.55 | Azar | sep it would increase mine |
| 07:48.17 | sep | Azar, by talking with compleate strangers that aer looking for the link for d-i ? |
| 07:48.29 | sep | Azar, please tell me how that would increase your productivity |
| 07:48.30 | sep | :) |
| 07:48.34 | Azar | googling for something and hitting a site where others are looking for same thing... exchanging opinions |
| 07:48.59 | Azar | and heck nobody does this thing .. yet |
| 07:49.02 | Azar | is a novelty |
| 07:49.32 | hark | the problem was that not everyone had it and the performance was not worth it as well |
| 07:49.40 | nvz | Azar: I used to think the same thing about spitting crickets until I seen it in the guiness book of world records |
| 07:49.55 | nvz | but then again who cares how far you can spit a cricket |
| 07:49.56 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:50.19 | sep | Guerin, problem is i cant get a new one quite as good as the one i lost :) |
| 07:50.55 | Azar | hark: back then "free stuff" was something abominable |
| 07:51.15 | hark | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatsum |
| 07:51.27 | hark | ^ is one |
| 07:52.35 | Azar | hark that one is even better.. :) |
| 07:52.36 | nvz | thats hilarious topical humor in my opinion.. I was blown away when I seen those hillbillies on tv spitting crickets for the book of records.. I was like.. oh, so that's what hillbillies do for fun |
| 07:53.44 | Azar | hmm so mozilla was quick to adopt it |
| 07:53.46 | nvz | though this is no lie either.. I know a town in WV where a game called "bag tag" was popular.. it was like your classic game of "it tag" or "freeze tag" except you smacked the person in the scrotes |
| 07:54.07 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:54.23 | hark | heh, fun! |
| 07:54.34 | nvz | yeah hillbillies are quite ammusing people |
| 07:55.46 | nvz | its actually a pretty good idea.. nothing is going to motivate you to run like hell, like some redneck trying to slap your nuts |
| 07:57.14 | enouf | ever play hot peas and butter? |
| 07:57.34 | nvz | nope, never heard that one |
| 07:57.46 | nvz | I dont join in the hillbilly games, I just watch and laugh |
| 07:57.54 | craigevil | ShopTalk:Talk to others while you browse the Web,As you browse the Web, the ShopTalk sidebar shows you the conversations about the page you are viewing |
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| 07:59.04 | nvz | I travel around observing culture, I dont nessicarly join in.. |
| 07:59.18 | craigevil | Is that kinda what you had in mind? you can also just watch what people are saying |
| 07:59.24 | nvz | damn that was mispelled |
| 07:59.38 | enouf | nvz: it's where you have an enclosed/fenced in area .. could be 1/4 acre of much larger .. one person hides a leather belt somewhere .. everybody then goes looking for it .. there's only one exit .. the one that finds it gets to whip the shit outta everyone unfortunate enough not to be near the exit at that time :-P |
| 07:59.40 | craigevil | but what are the chances of anyone being on the same site and having that firefox extension |
| 07:59.49 | enouf | s/of/or |
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| 08:01.15 | enouf | nvz: it's all fun and games till one b0z0 decides to try and use the buckle side for whipping .. |
| 08:01.43 | nvz | enouf: heh, sounds interesting.. like that game "kill ball" kids used to play at my elementary school where you threw a hard street hockey ball at people standing against a wall like they were being arrested |
| 08:01.44 | chronographe1 | Hey all, thanks heaps, that nfs how to was really easy to follow, got some shared directories already! cheers, I owe you a guiness |
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| 08:02.05 | nvz | enouf: I really dont remember the rules of that game cause I never played it |
| 08:02.17 | nvz | enouf: could be played with a tennis ball or whatever you could find |
| 08:02.31 | nvz | enouf: just needed a wall next to a paved surface |
| 08:02.39 | enouf | nvz: right .. the girls version :-P |
| 08:02.50 | nvz | enouf: haha |
| 08:02.51 | enouf | <jk> |
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| 08:03.35 | nvz | nothing like comming in from recess with fresh welts |
| 08:03.51 | nvz | cant sit in class cause your ass hurts |
| 08:04.06 | enouf | see nvz the caveat was: you MUST yell "hot peas and butter" once you find the belt .. gives the others atleast a running chance :-) |
| 08:04.42 | enouf | otherwise you could find the belt (and hide it on your person), then creep on over near the exit |
| 08:04.57 | enouf | and get everyone :-) |
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| 08:05.28 | nvz | enouf: I guess everyone makes up their own games with what they had to work with.. I was always the leader around town.. everyone depended on my imagination for ammusement. I never made up games where anyone could get hurt though. |
| 08:05.30 | enouf | yep .. rasberries :-) |
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| 08:06.09 | enouf | I didn't make that one up nvz :-) |
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| 08:06.30 | nvz | enouf: I did make up a game that resembled what you're parents would always say "go play in traffic" |
| 08:06.35 | enouf | it was a good old fashioned hand-me-down |
| 08:06.36 | nvz | well at least thats what they say around here |
| 08:06.55 | PingFloyd | a go play in traffic themed game? |
| 08:07.10 | nvz | the game completly revolved around traffic patterns, but you played it from the sidewalk |
| 08:07.35 | PingFloyd | sounds like frogger sans violence :) |
| 08:07.44 | nvz | if you werent behind a parked car when one went by, you were esentially roadkill |
| 08:07.51 | nvz | it was a lot like frogger |
| 08:08.00 | PingFloyd | or remember that atari 2600 game |
| 08:08.06 | PingFloyd | think it was called freeway |
| 08:08.10 | PingFloyd | by activision |
| 08:08.15 | enouf | Death Race! |
| 08:08.19 | nvz | the one where the chicken crosses the road? |
| 08:08.28 | PingFloyd | the one where you played a chicken and had to get acrossed a highway |
| 08:08.32 | enouf | you try to run over pedestrians |
| 08:08.52 | enouf | or death match or someshit |
| 08:08.53 | PingFloyd | Death Race 2000? |
| 08:09.12 | enouf | no .. way way older .. late 70/s early 80's arcade game |
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| 08:09.33 | PingFloyd | wait a sec, I'm confusing the game I'm thinking of with a movie that had David Caradine |
| 08:09.49 | concept10 | best screenshot ever: http://pastie.caboo.se/33468?key=1df476282ac7b |
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| 08:10.00 | PingFloyd | I remember some RPG on the C64 that was mad max themed |
| 08:10.02 | enouf | real annoying sound track .. needless to say .. two noises .. an aweful type siren noise and a bad crash noise |
| 08:10.07 | PingFloyd | kind of like a bite off car wars |
| 08:10.29 | PingFloyd | was by SSI |
| 08:10.30 | enouf | Grasshopper? .. hehe |
| 08:10.32 | tarzeau | can i do this: sed -n '/Iowa/,/Montana/p' exclusive? with just sed? |
| 08:11.55 | PingFloyd | tarzeau: not sure, but doesn't it have one too many / |
| 08:11.55 | tarzeau | PingFloyd: well it's there like that and works: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
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| 08:12.19 | PingFloyd | one way to find out |
| 08:12.29 | niru | I want to convert a file to deb package |
| 08:12.37 | niru | can I get a document to do that |
| 08:12.45 | niru | a single file to deb package |
| 08:12.50 | PingFloyd | what kind of file? |
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| 08:13.11 | nvz | niru: you want to make a deb package, or you want to convert from another package format? |
| 08:13.45 | tarzeau | niru: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 08:13.51 | niru | nvz:like have a script I want to create a deb package for that |
| 08:14.19 | PingFloyd | niru: you should read the new maintainer's guide |
| 08:14.54 | niru | PingFloyd:what is the url |
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| 08:15.34 | niru | PingFloyd:I got |
| 08:15.49 | nvz | !maint |
| 08:15.49 | PingFloyd | http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 08:16.00 | nvz | er |
| 08:16.02 | nvz | nm |
| 08:16.55 | PingFloyd | if it's just a script though, a debian package sounds like overkill |
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| 08:17.45 | PingFloyd | I mean, is it worth the trouble of making a deb package for a file that can simply be copied? |
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| 08:21.05 | KurtAngle | my crontab says '12 * * * * touch foo', still it doesnt do anything on 8:12, 9:12 etc. What am i doing wrong? |
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| 08:22.22 | nkuttler | KurtAngle: nothing in the logs? |
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| 08:23.05 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:23.19 | nvz | indeed |
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| 08:25.37 | john___ | what is the command to check for a usb drive i plugged in |
| 08:25.45 | john___ | i know something lists it, i just forgot |
| 08:25.49 | john___ | is it dpkg something or another |
| 08:26.12 | nkuttler | john___: lsusb? cat /proc/partitions? |
| 08:26.12 | john___ | like usb storage devided plugged in on /dev/sda1 |
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| 08:26.35 | sep | you probably mean dmesg, |
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| 08:26.40 | john___ | yeah |
| 08:26.41 | john___ | dmesg |
| 08:26.43 | john___ | thank you :) |
| 08:26.47 | john___ | brb let me try that |
| 08:27.12 | Bogus8 | do I need to drop to single user mode to rmmod ipv6? or can I just do rmmod -w then reboot or something? |
| 08:27.47 | Bogus8 | it's being tunneled by like 18 processes now :( |
| 08:28.15 | nvz | KurtAngle: I think you are telling it to run foo as user touch12 after every hour |
| 08:28.38 | nvz | KurtAngle: i.e. you didnt specify a valid user in the crontab |
| 08:28.40 | KurtAngle | nvz: touch foo should make a file named foo in my home dir no? |
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| 08:28.56 | KurtAngle | i did crontab -e as user blabla |
| 08:29.09 | KurtAngle | so i expect that it will place a file 'foo' in /home/blabla |
| 08:29.16 | nvz | KurtAngle: oh this is not the system crontab its a user crontab? |
| 08:29.20 | KurtAngle | no |
| 08:29.23 | KurtAngle | yes |
| 08:29.24 | KurtAngle | user crontab |
| 08:29.42 | nvz | touch actually updates a timestamp on a file is what it does |
| 08:30.04 | nkuttler | KurtAngle: does cron have a path for touch? |
| 08:30.11 | nvz | if the file doesnt exist it creates it unless you use the -c option |
| 08:30.26 | KurtAngle | it is in /bin/ |
| 08:30.44 | KurtAngle | nvz: touch on cmdline works fine |
| 08:30.58 | daxxar | Can't touch this. |
| 08:31.12 | nvz | Chuck Norris can touch this |
| 08:31.17 | daxxar | :-/ |
| 08:31.38 | nvz | I wasnt aware until I started using myspace of all the chuck norris facts.. |
| 08:31.40 | KurtAngle | if the system administrator disabled user crontabs....could this be the behaviour? |
| 08:31.53 | KurtAngle | my crontab simply not executing |
| 08:31.59 | nvz | I mean sure I catch myself watching Walker Texas Ranger.. but I didnt know people thought he was like a god or something |
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| 08:32.31 | soup_ | what package provides opengl headers in testing? |
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| 08:32.48 | nvz | for example? |
| 08:32.53 | PingFloyd | I never liked Walker Texas Ranger, but I like a few of the movies he was in back in the 70s and 80s |
| 08:33.27 | PingFloyd | I liked when Bruce Lee kicked his ass in Return of the Dragon |
| 08:33.57 | multi_io | KurtAngle: cron sends mail to the user if one of that user's cron jobs failed |
| 08:34.05 | nvz | hmm If he was in that movie I must not have been paying attention |
| 08:34.23 | multi_io | (assuming local mail works on the machine of course) |
| 08:34.24 | PingFloyd | I might have my Bruce Lee movies mixed up, but I'm pretty sure he was in one of them |
| 08:34.40 | nvz | I didnt know he was in any movies with bruce lee |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | but then again I dont pay much attention to wtf Chuck Norris does |
| 08:35.10 | PingFloyd | Everyone pales in comparison to Bruce Lee |
| 08:35.50 | Coweater | norris has better facial hair |
| 08:36.09 | nvz | and he's still alive and kicking ass |
| 08:36.35 | PingFloyd | The Lees have had some fucked up luck |
| 08:36.43 | nvz | plus I heard he counted to infinity.. twice |
| 08:36.50 | nvz | heh |
| 08:37.07 | PingFloyd | Was pretty crazy how his son died |
| 08:37.29 | nvz | I don't know whats dumber the people who come up with this shit or the people who repeat it |
| 08:37.46 | PingFloyd | what shit? |
| 08:37.59 | nvz | PingFloyd: yeah I heard he got shot on a movie set with a gun that wasnt suppose to have real bullets in it |
| 08:38.00 | Coweater | chuck norris facts |
| 08:38.00 | BrianSteffens | nvz: i'm just happy it's about bruce lee and not chuck norris for once |
| 08:38.04 | nvz | PingFloyd: the chuck norris facts |
| 08:38.23 | PingFloyd | he died from a blank that they fucked up in making |
| 08:38.54 | PingFloyd | actually the blank was ok, but there was a slug lodged in the barrel of the gun that they were using to shoot the blanks with |
| 08:39.15 | BrianSteffens | and then something uninteresting happened and the story was over |
| 08:39.15 | nvz | PingFloyd: sounds like conspiracy to me |
| 08:39.19 | PingFloyd | and the blank propelled the jammed slug out and into him like a regular bullet would |
| 08:39.22 | BrianSteffens | fin~ |
| 08:39.32 | PingFloyd | yeah, it seemed pretty suspicious |
| 08:39.40 | KurtAngle | multi_io: i dont receive a mail, neither does the crontab 'touch foo' generate a file.....is it save to assume my system administrator disabled user crontabs? |
| 08:39.44 | PingFloyd | because I don't think I've ever read of that ever happenning before |
| 08:40.10 | Bogus8 | do I need to drop to single user mode to rmmod ipv6? or can I just do rmmod -w then reboot or something? |
| 08:40.13 | PingFloyd | how often you hear about an accident involving blanks in the making of movies? |
| 08:40.23 | nvz | PingFloyd: yeah I think it was that movie surviving the game, where they were talking about always check the barrel before firing a gun |
| 08:40.54 | PingFloyd | this one documentary I watched explained how it all happenned |
| 08:41.01 | PingFloyd | about the process of how blanks are made |
| 08:41.11 | PingFloyd | and how they start off with real bullets |
| 08:41.15 | Xorm | O_o |
| 08:41.17 | Xorm | wtf |
| 08:41.29 | Xorm | why do they use real ones? |
| 08:41.39 | Xorm | wouldn't it be cheaper to make them from scratch? |
| 08:41.50 | nvz | Bogus8: I would think there is a kernel command line option though I am not sure what it is |
| 08:41.55 | PingFloyd | Xorm: you would think |
| 08:42.02 | Frizz0 | hi |
| 08:42.06 | Bogus8 | nvz: would either method I suggested work? |
| 08:42.20 | PingFloyd | but I guess some studio just use regular ammo |
| 08:42.33 | Xorm | huh. |
| 08:42.35 | PingFloyd | my guess is maybe to save on labor or something |
| 08:42.38 | nvz | Bogus8: for unloading it yeah, but you have to stop whatever is loading it to begin with |
| 08:42.51 | Bogus8 | rmmod doesn't do that? |
| 08:42.59 | PingFloyd | the process totally sounded suspect |
| 08:43.02 | nvz | Bogus8: of course not it just unlinks the code |
| 08:43.14 | SlayerXP | given that they don't in fact start off with real bullets when making blanks, I'd say the documentary was a little inaccurate |
| 08:43.25 | Bogus8 | nvz: ah, I've never really messed with that... I've loaded them before but even that has been a while |
| 08:43.37 | Bogus8 | I just know we don't need ipv6 for a while |
| 08:44.02 | multi_io | KurtAngle: sorry about the mail remark, I think I confused this with at/atd |
| 08:44.19 | multi_io | KurtAngle: have you looked at /etc/cron.allow/deny ? |
| 08:44.25 | nvz | Bogus8: the old way is generally an init.d script parses a file like /etc/modules and loads everything in there one at a time.. but new methods like discover, hotplug..etc can dynamically detecty and load modules as needed |
| 08:44.52 | nvz | Bogus8: not to mention modern linux kernels have an autoloader that can load moudles as soon as a function that requires them is called |
| 08:44.59 | Bogus8 | nvz: I'm seeing what is out there on the mailing list archives now |
| 08:45.26 | Bogus8 | thanks for telling me that rmmod was basically a waste of time |
| 08:45.38 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: one of the general idea behind LKMs is that they can be loaded and unloaded as needed/wanted |
| 08:45.40 | niru | tarzeaIu:are you there |
| 08:45.57 | PingFloyd | one of the beauties of them |
| 08:46.05 | niru | tarzeaIu:I have a single text file and now I want to have a deb package out of that |
| 08:46.11 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: hmm, not sure i completely understand... what is LKMs (I know MLK ;) ) |
| 08:46.17 | nvz | Bogus8: well rmmod would unlink it, but its not going to do anything as to stopping something else from loading it.. like an init.d script, kernel auto loader, or something of the sort |
| 08:46.19 | niru | tarzeaIu:I have a single text file and now I want to create a deb package for that |
| 08:46.24 | SlayerXP | nvz: the module autoloader has been in the kernel since, at least, 2.2 |
| 08:46.28 | PingFloyd | LKM = Loadable Kernel modules |
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| 08:46.49 | nvz | SlayerXP: yeah.. and? |
| 08:46.59 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: ah, k, thanks |
| 08:47.08 | SlayerXP | nvz: the way you phrased your comment implies it's a recent thing |
| 08:47.33 | nvz | SlayerXP: yeah it also implied the same about using init.d scripts to load modules.. heh |
| 08:47.42 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: of course there is always the possibility of bugs though |
| 08:47.43 | nvz | er well nevermind |
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| 08:48.08 | nvz | I should be fucking sleeping right now |
| 08:48.36 | KurtAngle | multi_io: there is no cron.allow and cron.deny is empty |
| 08:49.24 | Bogus8 | http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2005-May/013588.html |
| 08:49.27 | Bogus8 | does that make sense? |
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| 08:51.08 | deadcat | i am still having trouble enabling the webcam drivers (ov511, pwc) under the video for linux section in 2.6.19.. they just dont even show up.. i dont know why |
| 08:51.48 | multi_io | lvm question: if you want to create a VG, and you'Re not sure whether you may want to shrink it at some later time: do you create the VG on just one PV or on many PVs? |
| 08:51.58 | PingFloyd | I can't figure out why my scrollback sometimes doesn't work in screen |
| 08:52.24 | deadcat | PingFloyd: scrollback shouldnt work in screen. |
| 08:52.30 | shingouz | if i back up /etc, do a dpkg --get-selections > packagelist and back up /home, then install a new system with dpkg --set-selections < packagelist, slap the original /etc and /home on the new system, i have *all* the old configs on the system? |
| 08:52.46 | PingFloyd | mine does some of the time |
| 08:52.48 | Dewi | PingFloyd: are you using the scrollback screen gives you? ctrl-a, esc, pgup/pgdn |
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| 08:53.03 | PingFloyd | hitting shift-pgup/pgdn |
| 08:53.08 | deadcat | nope |
| 08:53.19 | Dewi | PingFloyd: that will only work occasionally. Use screen's buffer commands |
| 08:53.38 | PingFloyd | that explains it then |
| 08:53.41 | PingFloyd | :) |
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| 08:53.58 | Dewi | and it has basic searching |
| 08:54.01 | Dewi | which is nice |
| 08:54.08 | berkes | môgguh (morning') |
| 08:54.18 | Bogus8 | anyone see that link about alias'ing "net-pf-10 ipv6" to "alias net-pf-10 off" ? |
| 08:54.43 | Bogus8 | where does that take place? |
| 08:54.56 | Bogus8 | or is that something completely unrelated? |
| 08:55.07 | berkes | I'm having some trouble with a network: after we put the server in teh rack, it cannot resolve any domainnames. Any hint were to start looking? |
| 08:55.28 | Dewi | berkes: see if you can ping the thing referenced in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:55.32 | deadcat | berkes: /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:55.43 | Dewi | berkes: (that is your domain name server) |
| 08:55.50 | berkes | yea, i found that taht resolv.conf is wrong. |
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| 08:56.17 | berkes | hmm, so now i need to find out the DNS of the datacenter.. I guess |
| 08:56.34 | Dewi | berkes: well, depending on your configuration, resolv.conf could be set by you, or a system called 'resolvconf', or by some other method |
| 08:56.51 | Dewi | berkes: yes; that is a detail they should give you |
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| 08:58.16 | multi_io | KurtAngle: looks like the admin deactivated it. If he hadn't, you *should* receive mail in case of failing cron jobs (not just at) too, btw |
| 08:58.27 | multi_io | ask the admin to be sure :) |
| 08:59.21 | PingFloyd | ok, I get it now, it's a copy/scrollback mode |
| 08:59.29 | shingouz | lets ask the question in a different form: debian stores *all* configs in /etc? |
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| 08:59.56 | SlayerXP | shingouz: debian stores many configuration files in /etc |
| 09:00.19 | KurtAngle | multi_io: last question before i bugger off with my noob questions :D if cron.allow does not exist but i am not in cron.deny.....is my user crontab disabled? |
| 09:00.38 | shingouz | but not all i think. hints on other places the configs sit, SlayerXP ? |
| 09:00.52 | SlayerXP | shingouz: /var |
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| 09:01.11 | SlayerXP | shingouz: for example, mailman stores list-specific configuration information in /var |
| 09:02.21 | shingouz | SlayerXP: k... so should i back up /var too? |
| 09:03.02 | SlayerXP | shingouz: I don't know, should you? |
| 09:03.14 | multi_io | KurtAngle: it should be enable I think. |
| 09:03.28 | KurtAngle | k thanks for all the help |
| 09:03.29 | multi_io | KurtAngle: read "man 1 crontab" |
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| 09:03.34 | multi_io | :P |
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| 09:04.02 | multi_io | there the .allow/.deny semantics are explained |
| 09:04.02 | shingouz | SlayerXP: the problem is that one of my drives had a pretty surprising braindeath and looks like the transferred system is not complete. all the actual data has been backed up but i am just not too happy if i need to do the configs from scratch :$ |
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| 09:06.57 | PingFloyd | shingouz: think of it like this, most of the system wide configuration is in /etc |
| 09:07.16 | liable | so fucking annoying |
| 09:07.20 | shingouz | PingFloyd: that is what i was thinking too |
| 09:07.35 | shingouz | whats bugging you about wvdial liable? |
| 09:07.37 | PingFloyd | actually, according to the LSB, /etc is where static system wide configuration is supposed to go |
| 09:07.40 | PingFloyd | iirc |
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| 09:07.56 | shingouz | heh. beats my wag |
| 09:08.00 | PingFloyd | whereas var tends to be where things that change alot go |
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| 09:08.22 | PingFloyd | of course, distro may take their own liberties with all of that |
| 09:08.29 | shingouz | of course... |
| 09:08.33 | PingFloyd | s/distro/distros |
| 09:08.47 | PingFloyd | but I think Debian is pretty good about adhering to it afaik |
| 09:09.10 | liable | shingouz: its been my fav dialup program for years, but its broken atm, and it took me ages to find out that its wvdial, and not my isp, or modem driver or .. :) |
| 09:09.27 | liable | pppd |
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| 09:10.22 | shingouz | liable: ouch. tried a hammer already? downgrade to the previous working version of wvdial and use it for a while maybe |
| 09:10.33 | Bogus8 | well, I tried this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 and it didn't work |
| 09:10.46 | PingFloyd | liable: I remember that always being kind of the nature of the beast with dialup |
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| 09:10.54 | PingFloyd | hard to tell where the problem is |
| 09:11.34 | liable | shingouz: yup, problem is, i seemed to have cleaned the cache a while back, and cant see what actually caused the problem |
| 09:12.05 | liable | PingFloyd: indeed, its a bastard when you need to rely on it, and it breaks. makes life hard to debug it |
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| 09:12.45 | liable | i'm not even sure its wvdial, or one of its depends, but pon works |
| 09:12.47 | PingFloyd | my old Courier V-everything was like an old friend |
| 09:13.13 | PingFloyd | external no less. They don't make them like they used to |
| 09:13.17 | shingouz | liable: if the thing is absolutely needed, i would personally just check the version on the system right now and downgrade one or two steps to make it work again. the proper debugging can take place after the system does what i need it to do |
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| 09:13.39 | liable | and i dont have any of the depends in cache, so i am kinda scratching my head as to whats the actuall cause |
| 09:13.45 | PingFloyd | brings back memories of BBSes |
| 09:13.59 | PingFloyd | and playing Doom over the modem |
| 09:14.11 | liable | eek |
| 09:14.13 | cilkay | Hello. How do I specify a bunch of different file types in a file passed to --exclude-file ? When I enter the same glob into the file, it doesn't work. If I pass that glob to --exclude, it works. |
| 09:15.24 | cilkay | Not much seems to be happening over at #samba and it's amateur economists night over at ##linux |
| 09:15.56 | liable | shingouz: according to my aptitude logs, non of the wvdial or its depends have been upgraded since it broke though, so i am at a bit of a loss |
| 09:16.14 | shingouz | strange... unless your kernel has changed and that makes the modem driver act up |
| 09:16.24 | liable | shingouz: only thing i can point the problem at is libc6 :( |
| 09:16.42 | shingouz | liable: change it to another version? |
| 09:17.24 | liable | shingouz: i fear downgrading libc6 :) |
| 09:17.38 | PingFloyd | you got to be real careful with that one |
| 09:17.42 | liable | its way more hassle than getting dialup to work :) |
| 09:17.45 | shingouz | so do i liable |
| 09:17.54 | PingFloyd | such a critical library |
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| 09:18.02 | PingFloyd | and fundimental one |
| 09:18.09 | cilkay | I mistyped above. It should be --exclude-from, not --exclude-file. I'm actually using --exclude-from |
| 09:18.35 | liable | no bugs either for wvdial.. :/ |
| 09:18.56 | liable | its an auth problem for wvdial btw |
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| 09:20.27 | valdyn | liable: auth issues should show in your pppd log |
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| 09:21.37 | shingouz | liable: wvdial has the weird "options" files somewhere in /etc. /etc/ppp or something iirc |
| 09:21.45 | liable | valdyn: funnily, they didnt, even after setting debug, and my isp says they didnt see an auth attempt, even though i could hear the noise, and wvdial showed sending username and passwd |
| 09:21.54 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 09:22.29 | valdyn | liable: wrong logfile? |
| 09:22.35 | saintiss | how can it be explained that df -h will list 650MB used for my root partition, but if I add all usages of the subdirs, I merely get 500? |
| 09:22.49 | valdyn | liable: cant believe that pppd would just 'eat it' |
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| 09:23.29 | liable | valdyn: pppd logs to syslod, and no good info in it at all |
| 09:23.52 | valdyn | saintiss: that's fine, files take 1 block space even if they are smaller, so a 2kb file will waste 2kb if your block size is 4kn |
| 09:23.55 | valdyn | saintiss: that's fine, files take 1 block space even if they are smaller, so a 2kb file will waste 2kb if your block size is 4kb |
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| 09:24.27 | valdyn | saintiss: each file will on average waste 1/2 blocksize |
| 09:25.02 | Eulex | woot, how I love security updates of monolithic X |
| 09:25.11 | liable | valdyn: its not ppd eating it, its wvdial that seems to be having some bizzare actions |
| 09:25.19 | valdyn | saintiss: add to that your journal ( maybe 30mb? i dont know exectly ) |
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| 09:27.16 | valdyn | liable: try pon <provider> and poff <provider> ( /etc/ppp/peers/ contains 'providers' ) |
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| 09:29.01 | saintiss | valdyn, ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:30.11 | Riis | can I install java 1.6 JRE on sarge somehow? |
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| 09:30.44 | valdyn | Riis: is that really necessary? |
| 09:31.07 | PingFloyd | the way I've alway understood it is that it's performance vs. efficient use. Smaller blocks meaning less space wasted to slack, but larger block meaning faster access sometimes |
| 09:31.26 | Riis | valdyn: yes |
| 09:31.52 | Dewi | PingFloyd: both ways can be space efficient |
| 09:31.53 | valdyn | !info sun-java5-source sid |
| 09:31.55 | dpkg | sun-java5-source: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 source files), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 16048 kB, Installed size: 17188 kB |
| 09:32.04 | Dewi | PingFloyd: it depends on your average size of file, and number of files |
| 09:32.06 | PingFloyd | Dewi: it comes down to the file huh? |
| 09:32.07 | liable | valdyn: i connected with pon, with the chatscript that wvdial wrote. so its seems a problem with the wvdial libs i guess |
| 09:32.19 | PingFloyd | s/file/file sizes/ |
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| 09:32.58 | Dewi | PingFloyd: yeah. although there are probably efficiency benefits to using larger blocks just because there's less seeking going on |
| 09:33.03 | Dewi | speed efficiency I mean |
| 09:33.07 | liable | valdyn: s/chapscript/chap-secret file/ |
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| 09:33.21 | Dewi | PingFloyd: unless of course your HD reads slower than it seeks :) |
| 09:33.29 | PingFloyd | in the end though, it's probably all rice :) |
| 09:33.44 | valdyn | PingFloyd: unless you use reiserfs or reiser4 |
| 09:33.59 | valdyn | PingFloyd: or any other fs that packs multiple files into 1 block |
| 09:34.27 | PingFloyd | I never knew reiserfs did that |
| 09:34.38 | PingFloyd | isn't that kind of sketchy? |
| 09:34.47 | valdyn | PingFloyd: works fine |
| 09:35.13 | Dewi | PingFloyd: well, yeah. The only tweaking I tend to do is reducing the "root reserved" space from 5% down to 1%... because we're talking massive 300GB+ drives here |
| 09:35.17 | valdyn | PingFloyd: well, reiser4 certainly isnt ready for production, but the packing works fine |
| 09:35.17 | PingFloyd | wasn't Reiser arrested on murder charges of his wife? |
| 09:35.36 | liable | he was, yes |
| 09:35.44 | liable | havent heard much since |
| 09:35.55 | valdyn | he's selling his company |
| 09:36.00 | valdyn | ..or trying to |
| 09:36.10 | PingFloyd | to pay off the attorney bills? |
| 09:36.20 | liable | of course, dropped charges arent nearly as newsworthy |
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| 09:36.43 | PingFloyd | that's the media for you |
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| 09:41.56 | n0rus | Anyone tried automatic partitioning with RAID 1 with preseed install? |
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| 09:46.07 | KurtAngle | on my pc, i have my SATA disks in a JBOD configuration....how can i install debian on that without losing my current data? |
| 09:46.09 | KurtAngle | is it possible? |
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| 09:46.55 | KurtAngle | cause in the installation menu, it seems like i can only configure a new raid or something like that |
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| 09:48.53 | PingFloyd | did you look at this n0rus? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman-raid |
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| 09:49.28 | n0rus | PingFloyd: Yes, I've read that file. I was just wondering if someone here has some practical experience |
| 09:49.33 | iain | How many of the CDs do I need to install Debian? |
| 09:49.35 | hartman | I'm on deb 4.1.20, etch I think. Fresh installed. Locale errors. I'd like to install localeconf and see if I can get things working that way, but not detected with apt-get. Is this not available with etch? I'm usually on sarge. |
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| 09:50.55 | cahoot | hartman: nothing reported on bugs.debian.org? |
| 09:51.44 | hartman | don't know, never used that. |
| 09:51.48 | cydork | hartman: can you pastebin the errors? |
| 09:51.51 | cydork | !pastebin |
| 09:51.51 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 09:51.55 | PingFloyd | hartman: did you try an apt-cache search locale ? |
| 09:51.58 | hartman | http://rafb.net/p/iGoP2484.html |
| 09:52.08 | hartman | but I'm not 100% sure really fresh. just what I was told. |
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| 09:52.45 | hartman | apt-cache search locale has tons and tons, but not sure what I need there. |
| 09:53.14 | cydork | hartman: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:53.19 | Fox | apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:53.26 | jfletcher | anyone know a good guide to using rt2500 module? |
| 09:53.56 | hartman | oh yeah, that looks good. thanks cydork. |
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| 10:03.51 | tombs | did someone already installed nvu on etch? I cannot make it :-/ |
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| 10:05.34 | OLD_sarmer | lingua latina? |
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| 10:09.55 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 10:09.56 | dpkg | < dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
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| 10:12.45 | aidehua | Where is the "#!" magic documented? |
| 10:13.38 | liable_ | man bash? |
| 10:13.49 | cahoot | aidehua: google for shebang? |
| 10:13.55 | aidehua | bash? I would've expected it to be a kernel feature. |
| 10:14.26 | liable_ | kernel feature? what do you mean? |
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| 10:15.06 | aidehua | liable: It's the kernel that handles the execution of files as new processes. |
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| 10:15.50 | liable | well, its bash thats your login and reads what you write to stdin |
| 10:16.49 | liable | or whatever, the kernel has nothing to do with reading scripts |
| 10:17.38 | yang | how nice my ISP started to filter port 25 3 days ago...byebye SMTP server |
| 10:17.52 | liable | man init or whatever |
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| 10:18.03 | liable | yang: time to change isp |
| 10:18.30 | yang | liable: haha, no you are lucky in my country if you are able to get the internet connection... |
| 10:18.54 | petemc | yang: gmail for domains works well |
| 10:18.55 | liable | yang: i guess you're fucked then :) |
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| 10:19.38 | yang | they filter smtp, msrpc, netbios, microsoft-ds, httpd-rpc and when i asked them to add my IP into the exception list, they didn't want to do that (Like they can't) |
| 10:19.42 | jmd | How do I get a USB web cam to be recognised ? |
| 10:20.03 | liable | yang: why are you telling us? |
| 10:20.03 | Trewas | aidehua: linux/fs/binfmt_script.c seems to be the kernel side stuff for starting scripts |
| 10:20.14 | Decepticon | try strip tease |
| 10:20.19 | liable | jmd: if its supported in the kernel, then it should work |
| 10:20.33 | yang | petemc: gmail for domains? |
| 10:20.39 | aidehua | Trewas: thanks :) |
| 10:20.47 | petemc | yang: yes |
| 10:20.58 | yang | petemc: i don't know what you mean |
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| 10:21.18 | jmd | liable: It was working this morning. But I'm buggered if I can remember what I did to get it going. Now I can't get the kernel to recognise it. |
| 10:21.20 | petemc | yang: and you're too lazy to look it up, sucks to be you |
| 10:21.28 | yang | petemc: That I can have my address@mydomain.net forwarded to gmail account? |
| 10:21.52 | liable | jmd: dmesg says? |
| 10:22.03 | jmd | Not much. |
| 10:22.35 | jmd | I can see the driver's being installed, but no mention of a camera being found |
| 10:22.58 | liable | Trewas: whats that c file supposed to do? doesnt exist in my source. |
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| 10:25.12 | Trewas | liable: it does exist in linux-2.6.20-rc3 and its marked "Copyright (C) 1996 Martin von Löwis" so I'd except that it is not anything new. and it handles starting of scripts, i.e. files starting with #! |
| 10:25.27 | liable | jmd: the camera is supported? put your dmesg on a pastebot. |
| 10:25.53 | yang | petemc: ok i found it, thanks for telling me :) |
| 10:25.56 | liable | Trewas: hrm, not in .19 |
| 10:26.03 | jmd | liable: Which bit of it do you want? |
| 10:26.05 | maelvino | Hello |
| 10:26.10 | Frizz0 | sup |
| 10:26.12 | _atomic | hello |
| 10:26.16 | liable | Trewas: i got a misc.o.cmd |
| 10:26.20 | Trewas | liable: its there in linux-2.6.18-rc2 too |
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| 10:26.33 | niru | while compiling libtasn1-2 |
| 10:26.36 | petemc | yang: np, it works really well in my experience |
| 10:26.41 | niru | I am getting the following error |
| 10:26.53 | niru | make[5]: Entering directory `/root/libtasn/libtasn1-2-0.2.17/doc' |
| 10:26.53 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.53 | niru | /usr/bin/m4:configure.in:125: ERROR: recursion limit of 1024 exceeded, use -L<N> to change it |
| 10:26.58 | liable | jmd: just the last bits |
| 10:27.17 | liable | jmd: unplug and replug and paste |
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| 10:27.49 | yang | petemc: but when i add my domain on https://www.google.com/a/domainRegister I get error - we are unable to process at this time... |
| 10:27.51 | liable | niru: google is your friend for compile errors |
| 10:28.01 | liable | niru: most debianites dont compile |
| 10:28.09 | liable | niru: google the exact error |
| 10:28.10 | petemc | yang: oh, thats not so good - perhaps just try back later |
| 10:28.10 | yang | petemc: to which MX do you point the domain? |
| 10:28.12 | niru | ok |
| 10:28.24 | petemc | yang: its all explained in the sign up process |
| 10:29.10 | jmd | liable: I can't unplug, its an integrated device. |
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| 10:29.17 | liable | Trewas: i cant find it. |
| 10:30.19 | jmd | liable: http://pastebin.com/860338 |
| 10:30.46 | jmd | The last lines are caused by me loading and unloading the drivers which I *think* might be relevant |
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| 10:31.08 | liable | jmd: why did you reload the drivers? |
| 10:31.11 | Frizz0 | you tell me |
| 10:31.13 | _atomic | investigating |
| 10:31.17 | liable | pastebin sucks |
| 10:31.30 | jmd | liable, despiration |
| 10:31.51 | jmd | what pastebin do you like |
| 10:31.58 | Trewas | liable: hrm... are you looking at complete kernel sources? seems to have been there since 2.0 kernels, http://lxr.linux.no/source/fs/binfmt_script.c?v=2.0.40 |
| 10:32.02 | liable | jmd: these are built modules outside the standard? |
| 10:32.12 | liable | jmd: .ca is quicker |
| 10:32.24 | jmd | liable, Well it's in debian etch |
| 10:32.33 | yang | petemc: it doesn't say anything about mx pointers, maybe after the signup is done (which failed for me) |
| 10:32.39 | liable | Trewas: ya, i have source, i must be going blind |
| 10:33.09 | cahoot | jmd: the problem still being no /dev/video created? |
| 10:33.34 | jmd | cahoot, That's right. |
| 10:34.02 | cahoot | jmd: as I understand it one needs to create a udev rule to make that happen |
| 10:34.26 | jmd | cahoot: and how do I do that? |
| 10:34.55 | jmd | I don't think it;s the problem. I don't see the device when I do lsusb. |
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| 10:35.33 | jmd | Isn't there any way I can force the USB driver to load a device, if I know its ID? |
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| 10:40.52 | valdyn | Trewas: binfmt isnt for starting scripts, its for running executables that arent elf / a.out |
| 10:41.31 | valdyn | Trewas: now one _could_ run scripts with that, but scripts are handled fine by bash, they don't need binfmt |
| 10:41.35 | yang | petemc: are you able to merge your domain with gmail.com account, so the mails are delivered to the same mailbox? |
| 10:42.06 | sam_uk | when i try to start open office it gives a segfault is there a process/ strategy for fixing this? |
| 10:43.43 | valdyn | sam_uk: yes, sure, if you have to ask you don't want to dive into that, check the bts |
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| 10:44.13 | sam_uk | bts? |
| 10:44.18 | valdyn | !bts |
| 10:44.18 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:44.44 | sam_uk | so it's just broken? and i need to accept that? |
| 10:45.17 | valdyn | sam_uk: if checking the bts is already to hard, sure |
| 10:46.26 | Trewas | valdyn: hrm, are you saying that kernel is not really involved when for example a perl script is run from cron, but bash does some magic instead? |
| 10:46.37 | valdyn | Trewas: yes |
| 10:46.48 | liable | its the login shell that runs it |
| 10:47.12 | valdyn | Trewas: not necessairly bash, but whatever your default shell is. |
| 10:48.35 | liable | Trewas: i dunno where you got the idea that the kernel interprets init scripts, but its not right |
| 10:49.04 | valdyn | Trewas: all shell's support this mechanism, so there never was or is a point in implementing this in the kernel |
| 10:49.08 | Trewas | why does the kernel have that binfmt_script? that clearly checks if the file starts with #! and parses what comes after that |
| 10:49.41 | liable | try #kernel |
| 10:50.02 | Trewas | I am quite certain I am right and it runs them, and you two are wrong :) |
| 10:50.11 | liable | :) |
| 10:50.24 | valdyn | Trewas: possible, if you see the code and read it right =/ |
| 10:50.27 | liable | !smack Trewas |
| 10:50.28 | sam_uk | valdyn what am i looking for here? there are lot's of bugs in open office... |
| 10:50.41 | valdyn | sam_uk: a segmentation fault |
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| 10:51.26 | Trewas | damn, now I almost have to add a couple of printks to binfmt_script and see if it gets called when scripts are started |
| 10:52.16 | cydork | Trewas: http://www.linux.it/~rubini/docs/binfmt/binfmt.html |
| 10:52.20 | liable | Trewas: the kernel just sits there, its getty and then login shell that does shit |
| 10:53.02 | Trewas | liable: kernel clearly is very involved for starting/running/ending processes, that's not for userspace to do |
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| 10:53.30 | liable | kernel doesnt do processes, it does devices |
| 10:53.38 | Trewas | ehh... |
| 10:54.54 | valdyn | Trewas: 'bash /some/script' will exec bash and let bash handle the script, just 'script' might use bindfmt_script, i agree |
| 10:55.31 | liable | example? |
| 10:56.17 | liable | example without a shell :) |
| 10:56.45 | valdyn | Trewas: funny thing is, according to the manpage, if the executable has no valid header, it will be run with 'sh script' anyway too |
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| 10:59.01 | valdyn | liable: man 3 exec |
| 10:59.20 | liable | Trewas: what exactly is your point anyway? udev can start and run processes, which is part of init, but where has this come from (out of interest) |
| 10:59.23 | liable | valdyn: ta |
| 11:01.26 | Trewas | liable: I have no point whatsoever. aidehua was asking earlier about #! and was suspicious when you said to look at bash, so I got a bit interested to actually see what kernel does with them and found binfmt_script |
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| 11:02.26 | liable | Trewas: but the shebang is a bash/sh thing |
| 11:03.02 | liable | Trewas: i am not having a go, but i dunno how a file can be executed by the kernel without a shell doing the work |
| 11:03.25 | Trewas | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
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| 11:03.49 | liable | i guess i just dont understand how you think a file with a #! can be executed without a shell |
| 11:04.19 | liable | or even a kernel booted and being usefull without a shell |
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| 11:05.30 | Trewas | liable: because it clearly has to, just try writing a short c-program which runs some script with exec (a file starting with #!) and shell will not be involved |
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| 11:05.58 | chronographer | hi all, If I run a program like wifi-radar i presume it runs with "sudo" or the likes at the start... My password doesn't work here so i wonder if I need to add something to the sudoers file? |
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| 11:06.20 | chronographer | synaptic asks for password and my password starts that... |
| 11:06.50 | liable | Trewas: i see, sort of |
| 11:07.23 | sam_uk | well there are lot's of ooffice segfault reports it seems it could be Bug#367641 Bug#390702 Bug#272712 Bug#336633 Bug#268587 Bug#348093 or Bug#272712 |
| 11:07.26 | liable | Trewas: that wiki link was useless :P |
| 11:07.27 | chronographer | also as an aside, my purpose for using wifi radar is to be able to roam between two wireless networks, is wifi-radar or another gui the easiest way to do this? |
| 11:09.04 | liable | Trewas: but what starts the short c program? |
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| 11:09.55 | liable | Trewas: how can you have a kernel thats interactive without a shell? |
| 11:10.28 | Trewas | liable: well, init is the first process started by the kernel, it will handle which processes get started, either directly or indirectly |
| 11:10.45 | Knight_Lord | How can i scrollup inside screen? |
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| 11:11.05 | liable | Knight_Lord: from a ssh session? |
| 11:11.07 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: enter copy mode. |
| 11:11.19 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: ctrl-a [ usually |
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| 11:11.25 | Knight_Lord | liable no |
| 11:11.35 | liable | !win jelly-home |
| 11:11.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:12.16 | Trewas | liable: but its kernel which runs the processes etc, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 and "kernel basic responsibilities" |
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| 11:12.21 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home how do i get out from copy mode? |
| 11:12.32 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: hmm, space, twice |
| 11:12.41 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: Esc once |
| 11:12.48 | jelly-home | ooh |
| 11:13.18 | Knight_Lord | thank you :-) |
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| 11:15.09 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: minus points for asking at both oftc and here at the same time! |
| 11:15.56 | liable | why? |
| 11:16.23 | liable | different network |
| 11:16.28 | jelly-home | hmm... I think there was some logic behind that, but it escapes me now |
| 11:16.37 | badcfe | i just dist-upgraded to testing. and i want to install the 2.6 kernel too, instead of keeping 2.4 as of sarge. how? i see kernel-image-2.6-386 is described as "transition package". what does it mean? |
| 11:16.57 | liable | not everyone here frequents oftc |
| 11:17.06 | jelly-home | liable: makes more people work for you unneedlessly? |
| 11:17.35 | badcfe | also, i will need the headers.. so do i apt-get install image-2.6 or kernel-2.6 ? |
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| 11:18.02 | badcfe | my arch is 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:18.04 | liable | jelly-home: i am not on oftc, so its the first time i seen his question. why would it be silly for him to ask here, even if i am the only person not on oftc? :) |
| 11:18.14 | badcfe | oh, i ment current kernel |
| 11:18.40 | jelly-home | liable: It would be all right with a time delay after the q went unanswered ... |
| 11:18.55 | liable | badcfe: it should be linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:19.26 | liable | jelly-home: but... its two different networks. its the first time i seen his question |
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| 11:19.52 | jelly-home | liable: well, you might have not seen it at all this case |
| 11:20.10 | jelly-home | liable: cause he'd already have had the answer |
| 11:20.21 | badcfe | liable: is 686 safe. shouldnt i use 486? (in 2.4 as of now its 386 and the machine is not new..) |
| 11:21.05 | liable | jelly-home: i dont quite understand. he asked the question here, just cause he asked on oftc, doesnt make it a repeat as the are two totally different networks. |
| 11:21.08 | jelly-home | badcfe: it's safe if you cpu is intel P2 or better, or AMD Duron or better |
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| 11:21.43 | badcfe | jelly-home, liable: its a Pentium III (Coppermine) according to cpuinfo |
| 11:21.52 | jelly-home | badcfe: 686 is ok |
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| 11:22.19 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:22.20 | MolePrince | Hello. I am running Debian in a console environment, no X or anything. In certain programs I get lqqqqk and such instead of lines and accented a's instead of nonbreaking spaces. What might I change to fix this please? |
| 11:22.26 | MolePrince | I am using en_US and not utf8 |
| 11:22.44 | ribasushi | what is the significance of the '$Id:....' string found on the top of many config files? |
| 11:22.47 | badcfe | jelly-home, liable: ok. thanks. and then i just cross my fingers and boot right. and later install the headers package.. |
| 11:22.52 | ribasushi | is there a standard governing it or? |
| 11:23.37 | jelly-home | liable: there's a set of people whose attention is turned to one's question in both channels. If you serialize your queries to separate channels, you spent less time for those other people |
| 11:23.49 | liable | MolePrince: dpkg-reconfigure console-data (though i dunno if it will fix your particular problem) |
| 11:24.28 | liable | jelly-home: well, what about us that only help in one channel?? |
| 11:24.40 | badcfe | liable: hmm, the virtual debian package linux-2.6 installs udev wich says "Please purge the hotplug package!". should i uninstall a package named "hotplug" is that it? |
| 11:24.50 | azeem | badcfe: yes |
| 11:25.07 | liable | badcfe: yup, go to debian.org and read the release notes |
| 11:25.08 | jelly-home | liable: you get 50% chance of not even seeing the question, thus spending your time on some other issue |
| 11:25.13 | badcfe | azeem: apt-get uninstall hotplug? |
| 11:25.17 | azeem | yes |
| 11:25.22 | liable | no |
| 11:25.25 | azeem | or add --purge to it |
| 11:25.35 | liable | uninstall? |
| 11:25.50 | MolePrince | liable: I have run this now. Must I reboot for it to take effect? |
| 11:25.56 | azeem | uhm |
| 11:26.02 | liable | MolePrince: run what? |
| 11:26.07 | azeem | badcfe: ok, so "apt-get remove --purge hotplug" it is |
| 11:26.12 | jelly-home | liable: oh well, it's a moot point anyway for such a simple question. |
| 11:26.17 | hark | ribasushi: checks user identity,e.g. if root or not |
| 11:26.21 | MolePrince | liable: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:26.34 | liable | MolePrince: oh, nope. |
| 11:26.36 | ribasushi | hark: eh? |
| 11:27.11 | hark | ribasushi: in a bash script? |
| 11:27.14 | MolePrince | Ah, well in that case, it didn't solve it. Thank you, though :) |
| 11:27.24 | liable | MolePrince: if that doesnt work, then i dunno :) |
| 11:27.30 | ribasushi | hark: no no no |
| 11:27.35 | liable | MolePrince: bugger |
| 11:27.45 | ribasushi | hark: for instance /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 11:27.55 | ribasushi | line 7 |
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| 11:28.30 | knoxy | Hi all! on load of kernel (on first install), the ethernet card isn't detected.. how can I do to my network card will be detected? the network card is: SiS 190 |
| 11:28.53 | azeem | knoxy: what does uname -r say? |
| 11:29.02 | MolePrince | liable: If it makes any difference, it is the mud client mcl so it is connecting over telnet. If, however, I putty into this box from my windows machine and run it, the lines are correct. Is there a different console font I could try perhaps? |
| 11:29.11 | ribasushi | I am replaceing some files by autogenerated once and am wondering wether I should preserve it for dpkg or god knows what |
| 11:29.44 | knoxy | azeem 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:29.53 | badcfe | azeem,liable: im trying to find that release info. "http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6-686" doesnt contain much info about this manual purging thing. |
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| 11:30.08 | azeem | badcfe: what release info? |
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| 11:30.33 | badcfe | azeem: that contains the notes for people upgrading to 2.6 |
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| 11:30.48 | azeem | badcfe: it was in a debconf note I guess |
| 11:30.55 | azeem | badcfe: why do you still need it? |
| 11:30.57 | badcfe | azeem: which tells me that purging commands and eventual things to be carefull with |
| 11:31.06 | knoxy | azeem 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:31.33 | azeem | knoxy: I saw. I am sorry to say that I don't know how to help you |
| 11:31.45 | azeem | knoxy: if this is a desktop box, you could maybe try to upgrade to etch |
| 11:32.08 | azeem | knoxy: or check google which Linux version supports your network card, if any |
| 11:32.37 | liable | MolePrince: sorry, nfc |
| 11:32.37 | badcfe | azeem: azeem: bacause i would like to know exacly how to proceed after getting this "Please purge the hotplug package!" and this "Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!" messages when i just did apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686.. |
| 11:32.47 | knoxy | azeem ok, thanks |
| 11:33.02 | liable | azeem: mind a brief /msg? |
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| 11:33.51 | azeem | liable: no, but I'll be off to lunch in a sec |
| 11:34.02 | hark | ribasushi: ah, i see |
| 11:34.05 | liable | ok, nm |
| 11:35.27 | liable | badcfe: why not do as it says? |
| 11:35.42 | badcfe | liable: does it say "apt-get remove --purge hotplug"? |
| 11:35.43 | liable | badcfe: please check the release notes |
| 11:36.01 | badcfe | liable: do you have a url to the specific note? |
| 11:36.04 | liable | badcfe: i dont think its says --purge afaik |
| 11:36.21 | badcfe | liable: can you give me the command that should be used? |
| 11:36.22 | liable | sec |
| 11:36.46 | badcfe | liable: im sorry not to be entirely confident with the apt system. |
| 11:37.06 | karmatronic | anyone has used em2880-dvb recently , other a 2.6.17 or newest kernel ? |
| 11:37.40 | karmatronic | badcfe: you should be , it s the best package tool around |
| 11:37.55 | karmatronic | badcfe: debian s best feature |
| 11:38.00 | badcfe | karmatronic: thats why i am fiddling with it |
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| 11:38.34 | badcfe | karmatronic: maybe you know what apt-get command i should run when i get this "Please purge the hotplug package!" when upgrading to 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:38.54 | seriouslycgi | i should know this crap by now lol but how do it cd into a directory that contains a space? |
| 11:39.05 | valdyn | karmatronic: what's your issue with that driver / hardware? |
| 11:39.15 | valdyn | karmatronic: i have one, i haven't used it since 2.6.18 i think |
| 11:39.17 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: cd "some dir" |
| 11:39.17 | badcfe | seriouslycgi: protect it from the shell cutting it on the space. |
| 11:39.36 | karmatronic | valdyn: when it loads, i get a lot of unknown symbols |
| 11:39.40 | badcfe | seriouslycgi: this is done be encapsulating in a pair of ' or ". or you prepend a \ in front of each space. |
| 11:39.46 | karmatronic | valdyn: alhtough it compiles well |
| 11:40.03 | karmatronic | valdyn: i dont think this driver is working on recent kernels |
| 11:40.11 | valdyn | karmatronic: should only be 'depmod -a' that gives uknown symbols |
| 11:40.20 | seriouslycgi | ok thanks that makes sense to me now jelly-home and badcfe |
| 11:40.30 | valdyn | karmatronic: you did get the latest source code? |
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| 11:40.31 | badcfe | liable, azeem: ok, i just take a chance then. ill do apt-get remove hotplug. |
| 11:40.36 | karmatronic | valdyn: i noticed its not in the kernel config since 2.6.16 |
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| 11:40.41 | badcfe | liable, azeem: without --purge |
| 11:40.49 | liable | badcfe: sec |
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| 11:40.52 | karmatronic | valdyn: so i consider it "not supported" |
| 11:40.55 | valdyn | karmatronic: that driver never was in mainline |
| 11:41.25 | karmatronic | valdyn: it was in my debian s etch install with kernel 2.6.15 |
| 11:41.51 | valdyn | karmatronic: ok, i wouldnt know if debian patched this in, i don't use debian kernels |
| 11:41.55 | karmatronic | valdyn: and actually loading install kernel , it loads and i can use it |
| 11:42.03 | valdyn | karmatronic: google and get the latest source, not to hard |
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| 11:42.14 | liable | gah, why cant i find the release notes |
| 11:42.30 | karmatronic | valdyn: of course , that s what i did and then i got those unknown symbols :) |
| 11:42.43 | valdyn | karmatronic: on which kernel? |
| 11:42.52 | karmatronic | valdyn: on 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 |
| 11:43.00 | karmatronic | valdyn: same kind of problems |
| 11:43.03 | badcfe | liable: what would you guess? to use --purge on the remove command or not. youre surely more introduced to apt-get than i |
| 11:43.17 | liable | badcfe: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ |
| 11:43.21 | karmatronic | valdyn: it s just not working |
| 11:43.30 | valdyn | karmatronic: ok, im sure it used to work with at least 2.6.17 |
| 11:43.52 | karmatronic | valdyn: maybe but at some point it stopped |
| 11:44.09 | liable | badcfe: the hotplug/udev thing is an old problem, but upgrading to etch, read the release notes i just linked to |
| 11:44.31 | valdyn | karmatronic: possibly, unfortunately i removed my old packages and haven't tried with my current 2.6.19 so i cant reconstruct what worked and what didn't |
| 11:45.03 | liable | badcfe: pffft, the release notes suck atm for this particular thing. |
| 11:45.15 | liable | badcfe: ok, --purge hotplug |
| 11:45.17 | valdyn | karmatronic: i believe i had it working with 2.6.18, but that doesn't help you i guess |
| 11:45.25 | valdyn | karmatronic: i suggest you ask the maintaner.. |
| 11:45.44 | karmatronic | valdyn: yeah i ll end doing that |
| 11:46.04 | badcfe | liable: hmm "http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel" dont mention the hotplug thingy |
| 11:46.32 | badcfe | liable: so ill do a "apt-get remove --purge hotplug" then |
| 11:47.24 | liable | badcfe: yeah. do that. be interesting to see what it says about kernel version. |
| 11:48.08 | badcfe | liable: gotcha. it says "Package hotplug is not installed, so not removed" |
| 11:48.08 | liable | badcfe: udev is a pita for > 2.6.12, hopefully it goes smoothly |
| 11:48.43 | liable | badcfe: dpkg -P hotplug |
| 11:48.48 | karmatronic | valdyn: well thank you anyway |
| 11:49.01 | badcfe | liable: seems it was a message that went to stderr with the rest, but that the apt-get process took care of it |
| 11:49.15 | liable | badcfe: ok |
| 11:49.46 | badcfe | liable: that may have been a good thing. the dpkg -P said "Purging configuration files for hotplug ..." |
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| 11:50.32 | badcfe | seems "Please purge the hotplug package!" actually meant specifically to do "dpkg -P hotplug". |
| 11:50.58 | badcfe | wich is actually a much shorter and presice message. |
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| 11:51.20 | liable | badcfe: hrm, woulda thought the etch upgrade would have sorted that |
| 11:52.03 | badcfe | liable: is it fatal that a "splash image" is not found when i ran /usr/sbin/update-grub? |
| 11:52.10 | liable | no |
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| 11:52.44 | badcfe | liable: maybe it did sort it, and i just saw the second effect of a sub-process dumping this text to its stdout. |
| 11:53.29 | liable | maybe, i'll find out when i do mine i guess |
| 11:53.32 | badcfe | liable: in wich case i think that parrent process should have more verbose with its stderr to enshure that we know its taken care of |
| 11:54.29 | badcfe | liable: but hey, its better that people (like me) gets scared of a message than that the overall process fails. |
| 11:54.56 | badcfe | liable: ill cross fingers and rebbot. |
| 11:55.13 | badcfe | -bash: rebbot: command not found |
| 11:55.18 | badcfe | heh |
| 11:55.21 | liable | heh |
| 11:55.33 | badcfe | 8-) |
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| 11:56.55 | ckd | everybody on here ? |
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| 11:57.22 | badcfe | ckd: yes. everybody is on. (..) |
| 11:57.29 | karmatronic | :) |
| 11:57.46 | ckd | k3b has an error with my dc/dvd burner, it dont find it |
| 11:57.46 | badcfe | ckd: i checked my on-button to be shure tho |
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| 11:58.48 | rusher | waht is the syntax for iptables to block everything but what I allow. If i block a port, then give permission to a ip, it does not work, it blocks all |
| 11:59.00 | karmatronic | ckd: run cdrecord -scanbus |
| 11:59.26 | karmatronic | rusher: didnt understand ... |
| 11:59.39 | petemc | rusher: allow first, block after |
| 11:59.45 | ckd | scsibus0: |
| 11:59.46 | ckd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.52 | rusher | allow code first, then deny code second? |
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| 12:00.24 | badcfe | liable: debian is just soooo nice. it booted, and now i have etch with 2.6.18-3-686. thanks debian |
| 12:00.34 | karmatronic | ckd: you know on which drive (/dev/...) you dvd burner is ? |
| 12:01.05 | liable | badcfe: nice |
| 12:01.29 | ckd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.36 | ckd | ohr /dev/sg0 no ideaa |
| 12:01.40 | ckd | but, i install nero |
| 12:01.45 | ckd | today |
| 12:02.03 | ckd | and it said i have to do the fillowing commands in root shell |
| 12:02.37 | ckd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.44 | ckd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.01 | karmatronic | ckd: cant believe it ....nero sucks! |
| 12:03.18 | ckd | i think so too |
| 12:03.23 | karmatronic | ckd: the point is |
| 12:03.40 | karmatronic | ckd: you have to find out which device is associated to the dvdburner |
| 12:03.53 | karmatronic | ckd: by checking dmesg |
| 12:04.48 | karmatronic | ckd: and then check k3b is not using default /dev/dvd or something like that |
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| 12:05.42 | ckd | at the first i will remove neroshit |
| 12:05.52 | karmatronic | ckd: good ieda |
| 12:06.15 | karmatronic | ckd: execute grep iso /etc/fstab |
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| 12:06.26 | karmatronic | ckd: to quickly find your cdrom device |
| 12:06.32 | karmatronic | ckd: if you onñy have one |
| 12:06.47 | nvz | fuzzy logic, is what you call that |
| 12:07.05 | ckd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.06 | jouke | hey, I've mounted my /home directory from a nfs deamon, and configured pam to make a homedir if it doesn't exist. But atm it gives a permission denied error, any idea where to look at? |
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| 12:07.33 | broadcaster | hello. is there a *tiny* mta you could recommend? it should just locally accept mail and send it to a smtp on the lan... |
| 12:07.36 | nvz | see what i mean |
| 12:07.44 | ckd | no sorrz /dev/hdc |
| 12:07.53 | broadcaster | exim4 and postfix seem to be quite heavy |
| 12:08.21 | petemc | broadcaster: ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 12:08.33 | broadcaster | petemc: will check them, thanx |
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| 12:09.14 | karmatronic | ckd: ? |
| 12:09.21 | nvz | grep -i dvd /var/log/dmesg would have been slightly more reliable method of finding a dvd drive than anything to do with /etc/fstab which is nothing short of fuzzy logic |
| 12:09.33 | karmatronic | ckd: have only one cd/dvd drive ? |
| 12:09.40 | ckd | yes |
| 12:09.40 | valdyn | rusher: first rule fitting a packet is used, so you need to sort rules that you get what you want |
| 12:09.42 | karmatronic | nvz: mentionned that way before |
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| 12:09.58 | karmatronic | i ll be back soon (10 minutes ) |
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| 12:10.14 | rusher | ok |
| 12:11.55 | valdyn | broadcaster: there's a user configurable mta too, neat for systems having multiple users and also multiple mail providers |
| 12:13.28 | aidehua | How can I see the io performance of my disks? |
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| 12:13.38 | valdyn | ckd: /sys/block/ lists your block devices |
| 12:13.38 | broadcaster | valdyn: it's just a simple UML. i want it to send mails to the host, so ssmtp will do. |
| 12:13.40 | aidehua | vmstat? Is there a per-disk utility? |
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| 12:14.02 | ckd | md0/ ram1/ ram11/ ram13/ ram15/ ram3/ ram5/ ram7/ ram9/ |
| 12:14.02 | ckd | ram0/ ram10/ ram12/ ram14/ ram2/ ram4/ ram6/ ram8/ sda/ |
| 12:14.10 | valdyn | aidehua: your want to benchmark raw i/o ? |
| 12:14.23 | ckd | sda* are my hdds |
| 12:14.33 | valdyn | ckd: i cant see your cdrom driver there -> it is not there |
| 12:14.36 | aidehua | valdyn: yeah |
| 12:14.40 | ckd | i know |
| 12:14.48 | ckd | it is nowhere... |
| 12:14.48 | aidehua | valdyn: actually, maybe vmstat is an adequate tool. |
| 12:15.00 | valdyn | aidehua: ddrescue does it |
| 12:15.10 | valdyn | aidehua: ...or dd_rescue |
| 12:15.21 | ckd | i think i should reboot... |
| 12:15.27 | ckd | see u in 1 minute again |
| 12:16.15 | valdyn | aidehua: dd_rescue /dev/hda > /dev/null, let it run, watch numbers |
| 12:16.37 | aidehua | valdyn: thanks -- I'll have a bash :) |
| 12:17.10 | valdyn | aidehua: oh sorry, its dd_rescue /dev/hda /dev/null, no > |
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| 12:24.17 | karmatronic | back |
| 12:28.08 | jouke | I can make a dir on a nfs mount but can't change the owner of the dir. (maybe something to do with different root users on the server and client?) |
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| 12:29.52 | valdyn | !nfs |
| 12:29.52 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 12:30.13 | SpComb | !nis |
| 12:30.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 12:30.17 | valdyn | jouke: nfs does not map uid to name automagically, root however is same on all unix systems |
| 12:31.09 | karmatronic | valdyn: if you use no_root_squash |
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| 12:46.12 | vaq | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 12:46.13 | dpkg | hmm... ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
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| 12:46.33 | e1z0 | hi |
| 12:50.00 | niru | hello elz0 |
| 12:50.11 | niru | I am compiling a package but getting error |
| 12:50.58 | TimeX | How can I invoke zhcon as a common user |
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| 12:56.01 | rock_feng | debian testing, locale: zh_CN.UTF-8, mutt-ng can't show correct character... |
| 12:56.26 | valdyn | rock_feng: why would that be a mutt-ng issue? |
| 12:56.40 | valdyn | rock_feng: which terminal / font are you using? |
| 12:56.41 | Eulex | rock_feng, are you using an utf8-capable terminal? |
| 12:57.27 | rock_feng | not mutt-ng issue, i used under archlinux,same terminal:urxvt,it works fine |
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| 12:58.30 | rock_feng | 'ls' can show correctly in urxvt |
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| 12:59.01 | protocol1 | niru, its most likely that you dont have something configured properly or you are missing something....what does the error say? |
| 12:59.36 | niru | protocol1:let me paste that in a pastebin |
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| 13:00.16 | niru | protocol1:http://pastebin.ca/318338 |
| 13:00.59 | rock_feng | Eulex: yes utf8-capable, rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 13:01.08 | rock_feng | is that right? |
| 13:01.31 | rock_feng | or if i should use rxvt-unicode not -ml ? |
| 13:01.37 | niru | protocol1:did you get that |
| 13:01.47 | protocol1 | yeah |
| 13:02.10 | protocol1 | you might want to ask someone more of expertise |
| 13:02.17 | Eulex | rock_feng, I dunno, never used rxvt, but you might want to try |
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| 13:03.24 | Eulex | !wayc niru |
| 13:03.24 | dpkg | niru: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 13:04.10 | niru | dpkg:Just trying it out |
| 13:04.18 | niru | Eulex:I did not get you |
| 13:04.21 | stoned | OFFTOPIC: Has anyone ordered from newegg before? Do you need to have your zipcode in 9 digits or 5? like XXXXX-XXXX or just XXXXX. Does anyone know if this matters? |
| 13:04.34 | Eulex | niru, dpkg is a bot, I gave it a command |
| 13:04.40 | niru | dpkg:I need to modify something in Makefile in doc |
| 13:05.21 | curt_ | stoned doesn't matter |
| 13:05.24 | niru | Eulex:do you know the sol. |
| 13:05.52 | stoned | curt_, just being paranoid. Thanks. I just don't want any order delays or screwups |
| 13:06.06 | stoned | curt_, my first time ordering from them |
| 13:07.01 | rock_feng | Eulex: tried, same issue |
| 13:07.05 | Eulex | niru, what command are you using to try to compile the package? (btw: sol is commonly used in here as an abbreviation for "shit outta luck") |
| 13:07.09 | Eulex | rock_feng, ok, dunno then |
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| 13:08.11 | Eulex | niru, have you read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html ? |
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| 13:08.38 | sybec | Hello. |
| 13:08.38 | curt_ | I have debian on hdc (hd2,0) and there is a redhat array on hda/hda (root=md1) but the redhat kernel doesn't have md support and the grub versionis old (.90). Can I run grub from debian on hdc and will the 'nice version' (.97) boot? |
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| 13:09.11 | sybec | Hello |
| 13:09.13 | sybec | oups |
| 13:09.34 | niru | Eulex:that was short for solution |
| 13:09.43 | niru | Eulex:I am using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -sa |
| 13:11.49 | Eulex | niru, ok |
| 13:12.04 | curt_ | I am actually trying to install Debian etch on this box remotely .. all seemed well until I rebooted and since it is remote I don't know if debian did a kernel panic or if grub was just messed up. |
| 13:12.10 | niru | Eulex:so where is the mistake |
| 13:12.16 | niru | and what is that mistake |
| 13:12.34 | Eulex | niru, I looked up those options ans they look sane and should't cause any problem. basically: I dunno |
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| 13:15.21 | curt_ | i know grub will boot other os's but what if the other os's already have a version of grub installed .. is grub completely run from the mbr on linux systems? |
| 13:16.46 | craigevil | you should be able to add your new linux install kernel to your existing grub |
| 13:17.25 | tarzeau | curt_: depends where you install it to, but usually it's there, yes |
| 13:17.30 | tarzeau | curt_: at least part of it |
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| 13:19.49 | curt_ | The old grub doesn't have the the ever handy update-grub and uses grub.conf not menu.1st (as far as I can tell) .. the NOC doesn't seem smart enough to tell me if the Debian kernel paniced :( |
| 13:20.06 | jeroenimo | Hey ppl, just a silly question, I f*cked up while installing debian, and now now keymap is not right, how do i set it right ? I have got it right in the x-windows but the commandline is still wrong, any suggestions ? |
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| 13:20.59 | curt_ | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 13:21.07 | jeroenimo | curt_: thanks ! |
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| 13:23.38 | jeroenimo | darn Now its realy f*cked :-( I choose the complete wron one :-( |
| 13:24.52 | curt_ | run it again, i use standard - standard |
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| 13:25.24 | jeroenimo | curt_: ist so wron I can't find a single key |
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| 13:25.51 | jeroenimo | well... |
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| 13:26.19 | curt_ | up arrow does give you your history? |
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| 13:27.03 | jeroenimo | curt_: luckily I can startx |
| 13:27.13 | jeroenimo | so I'll do it from an xterm |
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| 13:32.21 | jeroenimo | curt_: sorted,, works again, but my xdm starts automaticly at boot, how do I stop that ? |
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| 13:32.57 | cberl2 | Hi folks! Anyone good with wireless? I want to turn Debian Sarge into an Access Point.... |
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| 13:34.55 | Mark_Iron | Hi :-) .. one question about activating of cronjobs from debian-package |
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| 13:36.59 | DimmuR | can some1 advice me some light application for support to postfix? |
| 13:37.13 | Mark_Iron | Question: /etc/cron.d/<package_name> exists after the installation of the package ... HOW to activate this cronjob from the postinstall script inside the package ? ... thank you in advance for your help! :-) |
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| 13:40.15 | sybec | Mark_Iron: I'll say you're welcome in advance |
| 13:40.37 | Mark_Iron | hi sybec :o) |
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| 13:41.58 | steven_ | Hi, does anyone have a good howto on how to set up software raid on debian (preferably etch)? And is it possible somehow to configure this during install? |
| 13:43.00 | curt_ | steelb, There are good guides, and yes you can do it in the install |
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| 13:43.41 | curt_ | Mark_Iron, what package? the install should have set it up for you already. |
| 13:44.02 | Mark_Iron | my own package curt_ ;-) |
| 13:44.06 | curt_ | hehe |
| 13:44.39 | Mark_Iron | created without of autotools @ curt_ |
| 13:45.20 | curt_ | Mark_Iron, I missed that part - I have no idea .. well would you just call crontab? |
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| 13:46.14 | Mark_Iron | curt_: I have cron.d in debian directory ... after running of "debian/rules" the content exists in /etc/cron.d/<package_name> ... nut NOTHING else happens :( |
| 13:46.21 | Mark_Iron | curt_: ^ |
| 13:46.45 | Mark_Iron | curt_: crontab -l shows NOTHING |
| 13:46.57 | Mark_Iron | nut = but |
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| 13:47.04 | curt_ | Mark_Iron, I see where a lot of packages drop the cons in cron.Daily or cron.Weekly ... |
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| 13:48.08 | Mark_Iron | well .. I have to RTFM *g* .. thanks a lot curt_ :) |
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| 13:50.53 | streuner | steven_: the web is full of HOWTO's about, why not just google? |
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| 13:52.30 | steven_ | streuner, because I'm looking for the most straightforward solution |
| 13:54.30 | curt_ | steven_, man mdadm or I find the most useful 'guide' is the Debian Install Manual. |
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| 13:55.41 | steven_ | curt_, I'll look into it. Thanks |
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| 13:59.34 | ironm | ll |
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| 14:01.50 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
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| 14:03.35 | stse | Hi! Is there a webmin replacement for Etch? I need a web GUI to let a user configure the network interfaces and routing table (but only these things). |
| 14:03.43 | streuner | vi |
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| 14:04.42 | Ab3l | hi, the /devv/ttyUSB1 (0-2-3-4-5 etc) can be used to send at&t cmds to cell phone connected via sub ? |
| 14:04.54 | stse | streuner: vi doesn't have a web GUI ;-) |
| 14:05.07 | streuner | stse: in Debian we make such thing via interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces) - feel free to /msg dpkg interfaces ;-) |
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| 14:07.03 | jonaskoelker | I want to write a new package management (ish) tool; where can I rtfm on /var/lib/dpkg/*? |
| 14:07.31 | stse | streuner: I know, but this host will be some kind of black box, where the user should not touch the shell and don't get the root password. |
| 14:08.06 | stse | streuner: I'm not really interested to write my own script for this purpose. |
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| 14:08.37 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a quick way to make o PDF from a JPEG file (simlar to tiff2pfd)? |
| 14:08.44 | vlt | tiff2pdf* |
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| 14:10.49 | hark | hmm, convert jpeg to tiff? |
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| 14:13.52 | cydork | vlt: afaik convert handles jpg -> pdf |
| 14:13.59 | vlt | hark: No, I need to keep the filesize ... |
| 14:14.22 | vlt | cydork: Thanks, I'll try ... |
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| 14:20.49 | abrotman | hi streuner |
| 14:21.14 | roe_ | is there a package that will probe my resources (ram, cpu) periodically and report daily to me? |
| 14:21.38 | yunhual | hi, all, i want use wget to download a file from ftp server, but the password are start by @sign, when i use wget ftp://user:password@server/file. |
| 14:21.39 | yunhual | wget got wrong it try to resolve password as an server name |
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| 14:22.10 | yunhual | how can i get that file with wget utility? |
| 14:22.55 | petemc | ftp://user:password\@server/file |
| 14:23.02 | petemc | oh, wait.. |
| 14:23.14 | petemc | thats a silly password |
| 14:23.20 | cydork | yunhual: use a hex value for @ .. |
| 14:23.43 | petemc | --ftp-user=foo --ftp-password=@foo ? |
| 14:23.49 | yunhual | any body there can understand me ?? |
| 14:24.23 | Ab3l | hi, the /devv/ttyUSB1 (0-2-3-4-5 etc) can be used to send at&t cmds to cell phone connected via sub ? |
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| 14:26.38 | cydork | yunhual: use %40 instead of @ |
| 14:26.45 | yunhual | cydork i use wget ftp://user:0x40password@server/filename, cann't login correctlly |
| 14:27.02 | petemc | yunhual: --ftp-password=@foo doesnt work? |
| 14:27.11 | yunhual | cydork, let my try |
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| 14:27.47 | yunhual | cydork %40password work correctly |
| 14:28.04 | yunhual | petemc, i will try --ftp-password |
| 14:28.08 | yunhual | wait for me |
| 14:28.15 | yunhual | thank you |
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| 14:32.19 | yunhual | petemc, --ftp-user=user --ftp-password=password work correctly |
| 14:32.24 | yunhual | thank you |
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| 14:34.56 | Ab3l | hi, the /dev/ttyUSB1 (0-2-3-4-5 etc) can be used to send at&t cmds to cell phone connected via sub ? |
| 14:36.43 | valdyn | Ab3l: if that phone understands AT commands, sure |
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| 14:37.12 | Ab3l | i mean ttyUSB is the usb correspondant to tty (whiich works fine for com1-2 modem ?) |
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| 14:37.20 | Ab3l | yes the phone understands at |
| 14:37.20 | valdyn | Ab3l: yes |
| 14:37.42 | valdyn | Ab3l: might want to use minicom for this |
| 14:37.54 | Ab3l | m minicom can be used togeether with ttyusb ? |
| 14:38.04 | Ab3l | tried |
| 14:38.07 | Ab3l | but got no answer |
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| 14:38.14 | Ab3l | so i guessed if it should work |
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| 14:38.45 | valdyn | Ab3l: serial interfaces work fine, usb or not usb, the error is probably at your phone |
| 14:39.14 | Ab3l | there's a way to check/to see wherther i miss a module or driver or whatever ? |
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| 14:39.38 | Ab3l | kernel 2.6.8-2 686 - istro sarge |
| 14:39.46 | valdyn | Ab3l: if 'cat /dev/ttyUSB1' does not give an error then the drivers are fine |
| 14:39.59 | curt_ | I haven't trie them but gammu and multisync both interact with cell phones |
| 14:40.09 | Ab3l | just return to consoole says nothing |
| 14:40.19 | curt_ | s/trie/tried/ |
| 14:40.30 | valdyn | Ab3l: 'ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1' |
| 14:41.05 | Ab3l | still nothing waht's wrong ? |
| 14:41.11 | valdyn | cating devices does not 'just return to console' unless its a small block device... |
| 14:41.33 | valdyn | Ab3l: 'ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1' never returns nothing |
| 14:42.09 | Ab3l | m ok so for some reason the phone does not enters modem-mode |
| 14:42.10 | Zap-W | hey ,. how much does a fulltime linux SYSADMIn earns in the US |
| 14:42.43 | valdyn | Zap-W: google knows |
| 14:42.50 | Ab3l | i'll play with p2k toolkit thx u anywy |
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| 14:55.40 | Ny-Ty | i need map of characters of text |
| 14:55.45 | Ny-Ty | in what .deb package is it |
| 14:56.25 | De_Mon | im sorry |
| 14:56.49 | De_Mon | you can look for files in a .deb but I doubt you can look for text in the files in the deb very easily |
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| 15:11.43 | Skaag | hi guys, I have two boxes with a few NFS mounts from the first to the second, however when the boxes both boot up at the same time, the first box does not have the NFS server up so it fails mounting the NFS shares |
| 15:11.59 | Skaag | What can I do to make sure it will eventually mount the shares when the NFS server is finally available? |
| 15:13.00 | humboldt | which ncurses package do I need to have installed in order to be able to run make menuconfig on my kernel sources |
| 15:13.11 | azeem | humboldt: the -dev one |
| 15:15.12 | lindenle | Skaag: maybe the retry option |
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| 15:16.22 | lindenle | Skaag: or the bg option try man nfs |
| 15:16.57 | lindenle | Skaag: bg A missing mount point is treated as a timeout, to allow for nested NFS mounts |
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| 15:18.25 | kpanic | hi, I'm playing with update-menus. I want to eliminate the xterm entry from my icewm menu. I have created an empty $HOME/.menu/xterm and ran update-menus but the menus stays the same |
| 15:18.30 | kpanic | any hints? |
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| 15:19.25 | x_link | Hi I REALLY need help |
| 15:19.55 | x_link | I just restarted my computer and now I can't type this letters anymore |
| 15:19.55 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/318418 this ones |
| 15:19.55 | x_link | I can write it everywhere except for the konsole |
| 15:20.07 | azeem | x_link: GNOME or KDE? |
| 15:20.19 | x_link | KDE |
| 15:20.24 | x_link | åäö |
| 15:20.32 | azeem | and which application? |
| 15:20.35 | x_link | Thats not what I just wrote. |
| 15:20.42 | x_link | konsole |
| 15:20.52 | x_link | It works every where else, except for the konsole |
| 15:20.53 | azeem | hrm, no idea |
| 15:21.02 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 15:21.04 | x_link | Damn it |
| 15:21.06 | azeem | maybe try to change the locale |
| 15:21.09 | azeem | if konsole can do that |
| 15:21.16 | x_link | What do you mean? |
| 15:21.18 | azeem | or character encoding or something |
| 15:21.44 | x_link | ok |
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| 15:22.40 | lindenle | Hi I have three encrypted disks that create an lvm but only two of them are luks and I am trying to figure out what i did with the third one cryptsetup status gives aes-cbc-plain.My main question is what should be in my crypttab for this disk? |
| 15:23.53 | x_link | azeem: hrk this is REALLy strange |
| 15:23.58 | x_link | I can use the letters when I'm root |
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| 15:25.52 | x_link | So nobody knows how to fix this problem here in Debien then? |
| 15:26.16 | lindenle | j luks |
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| 15:29.32 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 15:29.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 15:29.43 | lindenle | So can I convert a normal dm-crypt partition to a luks crypt partition without losing the data? |
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| 15:30.17 | x_link | azeem: Should I run that command in my konsole? |
| 15:31.58 | karmatronic | x_link: which command ? |
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| 15:32.13 | _plouf_ | hello |
| 15:32.26 | x_link | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 15:32.30 | x_link | That doesnt help |
| 15:32.32 | x_link | Damn this.... |
| 15:32.33 | _plouf_ | I'm looking for an apache log aggregator |
| 15:33.11 | _plouf_ | does someone know something like that ? |
| 15:33.15 | amphi | x_link: does any other terminal emulator behave properly there? |
| 15:33.23 | x_link | amphi: I will look |
| 15:33.30 | x_link | Strange that it works as root |
| 15:33.49 | x_link | amphi: No |
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| 15:35.34 | x_link | so then there NO way to fix this? |
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| 15:37.35 | x_link | Pretty strnage that nobody knows a way to fix this |
| 15:38.26 | kpanic | any takers for my problem? |
| 15:39.52 | Ny-Ty | We ARE GNU ! |
| 15:39.56 | Ny-Ty | We are FREE :-) |
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| 15:43.00 | streuner | Ny-Ty: what did you smoke today? :-) |
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| 15:46.28 | Thms | when I boot on the linux cd on my laptop I have 2 * the same screen, how to do? |
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| 15:46.41 | ThinkLinux | Hello |
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| 15:48.36 | ThinkLinux | Thms : can you explain a bit ? |
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| 15:49.04 | Thms | hmm on the screen display, there is a line and before and after the line, 2x the same display |
| 15:49.20 | Thms | for choose the language it is displayed 2 *, before and after the line |
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| 15:51.56 | sohmestra | I've got an amd64 machine, and would like to compile a kernel for my soekris net501 (i486). How do I get make-kpkg to cross-compile a kernel? |
| 15:52.40 | Thms | ThinkLinux: is there a way ? Maybe a bootoption? |
| 15:53.13 | sohmestra | I've done make-kpkg --cross-compile i386 --config menuconfig kernel_image, but it complains about not having a .config file rather than running menuconfig |
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| 15:53.33 | ThinkLinux | Thms: I'm trying to guess your issue but i don't know |
| 15:54.32 | ThinkLinux | thms.. tu es francais? |
| 15:55.13 | Thms | oui ThinkLinux |
| 15:55.50 | sohmestra | !debian-fr |
| 15:55.50 | dpkg | debian-fr is, like, an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 15:56.06 | sohmestra | hmm. |
| 15:56.27 | Thms | . |
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| 15:56.58 | ThinkLinux | dpkg: we know :-) |
| 15:57.12 | Thms | ThinkLinux: private message please |
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| 16:05.12 | ma3x | if I put a file on my apache server, how can I protect it with user,pass? |
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| 16:05.25 | blondie | ma3x: .htaccess files. |
| 16:05.32 | ma3x | blondie: and what should I put there? |
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| 16:05.42 | blondie | ma3x: google or #apache |
| 16:06.14 | zamuro | Naybody knows about bind9 here? |
| 16:07.19 | rahul | zamuro: no |
| 16:07.28 | Ronin | zamuro: #bind does though |
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| 16:07.46 | x_link | Is it possible to install Debian Etch without deleting the files? |
| 16:07.53 | rahul | speaking of which... I have a DNS routing issue to deal with |
| 16:07.53 | x_link | I have BEryl and stuff installed that I don't want to lose. |
| 16:07.56 | zamuro | Hmmm... didn't know that channel existed :P |
| 16:07.58 | zamuro | ty |
| 16:08.18 | Ronin | x_link: you mean upgrade to etch from sarge? |
| 16:08.26 | x_link | No. |
| 16:08.33 | x_link | I have Debian etch... a |
| 16:08.46 | x_link | I just rebooted my computer and all of a sudden I can't type 3 swedish words in my konsole. |
| 16:08.59 | x_link | I can type them every where except for my konsole. |
| 16:09.00 | Ronin | bah its swedish who needs them ;) |
| 16:09.06 | x_link | But when I'm root I can write them |
| 16:09.18 | x_link | Ronin: I really don't want to reinstall Debian =/ |
| 16:09.21 | azeem | x_link: check "env | grep LANG" for you and root |
| 16:09.27 | x_link | I have really done ALOT ALOT of settings that I don't want to loose |
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| 16:09.35 | x_link | azeem: Okey, thanks mate |
| 16:09.53 | rahul | x_link: all your settings are in ~ anyway. |
| 16:10.02 | Ronin | x_link: you shouldnt have to either due to that problem, just try to find the problem |
| 16:10.07 | rahul | unless they're system-wide, in which case they're in /etc |
| 16:10.13 | x_link | as normal user --> LANG=C |
| 16:10.28 | x_link | xlink:/home/sedde# env | grep LANG |
| 16:10.28 | x_link | LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 |
| 16:10.36 | rahul | x_link: and that sounds like some KDE wackiness that's overriding what you set otherwise. |
| 16:11.06 | x_link | rahul: xlink:/home/sedde# env | grep LANG |
| 16:11.06 | x_link | LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 |
| 16:11.06 | azeem | x_link: how do you login to KDE? |
| 16:11.08 | x_link | opps sorry |
| 16:11.11 | x_link | Pasted the wrong thing. |
| 16:11.17 | x_link | azeem: kdm.... |
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| 16:11.37 | azeem | x_link: check whether you can select your language there before you login |
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| 16:12.10 | x_link | zamuro: I can't |
| 16:12.14 | x_link | azeem: I can't |
| 16:12.28 | azeem | you can't what? |
| 16:12.30 | x_link | I think I will have to reinstall =7 |
| 16:12.38 | x_link | azeem: Choose the language when I login |
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| 16:12.50 | x_link | I will take a look |
| 16:12.50 | azeem | x_link: don't despair that easily |
| 16:12.56 | Ronin | x_link: just due to this? little extreme dont you think |
| 16:13.06 | x_link | Ronin: I SUCK on Linux |
| 16:13.07 | rahul | x_link: it'll be the same when you reinstal |
| 16:13.10 | x_link | I have problems all the damn time |
| 16:13.11 | azeem | x_link: so you said xterm doesn't work I either? |
| 16:13.19 | x_link | azeem: Nope |
| 16:13.21 | x_link | brb |
| 16:13.24 | x_link | Will try this login stuff now |
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| 16:14.27 | earthian | hello, how to make internet access denied for some particular program called "myprogram" |
| 16:14.29 | earthian | ? |
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| 16:15.59 | psyco-obiwan | afaik this is not possible in a normal debian system, some bsds have stuff like that so |
| 16:15.59 | earthian | :S |
| 16:16.01 | earthian | not with iptables? |
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| 16:16.29 | earthian | or another question: how to know which IP/URL/PORT a program uses to connect to some server in the internet? |
| 16:16.42 | craigevil | tuxguardian will let you control apps |
| 16:16.45 | azeem | read your logfiles, or its source |
| 16:16.45 | psyco-obiwan | if you know where and what it talks to, yes, but based on binary name or location is not a feature of iptables afaik |
| 16:17.02 | earthian | ok. |
| 16:17.05 | earthian | thanks. |
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| 16:28.12 | vanksi | hmm, i rebooted and suddenly i don't have /dev/sda1 anymore, only /dev/sda, i bet this is bad |
| 16:28.41 | psyco-obiwan | nobody will bet against this beeing bad i guess ;-) |
| 16:29.34 | cusco | vanksi: what was /dev/sda1 ? |
| 16:29.43 | cusco | your hard drive? |
| 16:29.54 | vanksi | yes |
| 16:30.01 | cusco | yang: check fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:30.21 | yang | nope |
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| 16:30.42 | cusco | what do you mean nope? |
| 16:31.21 | yang | cusco: your nick completion sucks |
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| 16:32.28 | pablo | hi, can i install xorg on sarge? |
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| 16:32.39 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 16:32.39 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
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| 16:32.50 | vanksi | cusco, no valid partition table, naturally |
| 16:33.38 | valdyn | vanksi: did you add a new disk or change your kernel? |
| 16:34.00 | psyco-obiwan | plugged in an usb device maybe ? |
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| 16:34.49 | vanksi | valdyn, well i was trying an older kernel but i switched back to the newest one, it was working before |
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| 16:37.33 | pablo | !bpo |
| 16:37.34 | dpkg | it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 16:38.00 | pablo | !backports |
| 16:38.01 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 16:38.13 | vanksi | is there any way to try and fix the partition table? |
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| 16:40.27 | mut | so anyone know how to get system temps w/o using lmsensors? |
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| 16:41.46 | blazemonger | i've been using Debian testing lately and it's not bad |
| 16:41.59 | dimir | \o/ |
| 16:42.02 | blazemonger | once i get timidity and the midi stuff configured debian will rock |
| 16:42.16 | blazemonger | that's the only thing im having trouble with right now |
| 16:42.29 | ThinkLinux | mut: Use gkremlin |
| 16:42.50 | mut | no xwin |
| 16:42.55 | blazemonger | anyone have a how-to on configuring Debian for music prod? |
| 16:43.01 | blazemonger | and recording? |
| 16:43.22 | blazemonger | if i can get Debian configured for music production and recording i'll make a donation |
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| 16:43.53 | pablo | i have problems with my wireless on etch |
| 16:44.13 | mut | i can't get to debian.uchicago.edu |
| 16:44.13 | ThinkLinux | pablo what kind of problem ? |
| 16:44.18 | mut | whats another good apt source? |
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| 16:46.08 | pablo | ThinkLinux: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=493859 |
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| 16:47.16 | ThinkLinux | blazemonger See Agnula Demudi |
| 16:48.03 | pingouin | blazemonger: it's not «out of the box» you have to find what tools you need, and what hardware you use, and what is your purpose |
| 16:48.42 | blazemonger | pingouin music production |
| 16:48.49 | blazemonger | i thought Demudi was dead |
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| 16:48.59 | blazemonger | i already know what tools i need |
| 16:49.04 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 16:49.10 | pingouin | blazemonger: and you know linux/debian ? |
| 16:49.13 | blazemonger | Rosegarden, Audour |
| 16:49.26 | blazemonger | i'm a newb |
| 16:49.42 | Wolfcastle | how do I boot Debian installed on a reiserfs with lilo? |
| 16:49.42 | blazemonger | i discovered Audour and i was like man this is sweeet |
| 16:49.45 | Wolfcastle | i get a kernel panic |
| 16:50.00 | blazemonger | Audour makes linux worth investing in hehe |
| 16:50.01 | cahoot | might rediscover it as ardour |
| 16:50.18 | blazemonger | cuz man alot of tools for windows are just bloatware |
| 16:50.29 | blazemonger | there's zero excuse for an OS to take up 15 gigabytes(vista) |
| 16:50.55 | Ronin | blazemonger: stop installing all the eye candy then |
| 16:50.56 | ThinkLinux | Wolfcastle I think your kernel is not compile with the reiserfs module in hard |
| 16:51.04 | blazemonger | i dont have the eye candy :) |
| 16:51.13 | blazemonger | i just installed audour, rosegarden, timidity and jack |
| 16:51.31 | Wolfcastle | ThinkLinux: does it have to be? i mean you can boot with ext3 as a module right |
| 16:51.43 | blazemonger | Vista=Microsoft's loss |
| 16:52.02 | Ronin | oh i doubt that very much |
| 16:52.13 | blazemonger | Ronin:you have Vista? |
| 16:52.18 | blazemonger | Vista is also overpriced too |
| 16:52.30 | blazemonger | i'd much rather donate to linux audio |
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| 16:52.44 | mindframe | how do i make the system recognize a lib in a local user path? |
| 16:52.51 | blazemonger | i found this neat softsynth in the debian apt repositories |
| 16:52.53 | Ronin | blazemonger: we're in the process of testing it here for deployment |
| 16:52.54 | pingouin | yeap, but generaly, people buy computer, with microsoft Os installed on....and then...it will be soon vista |
| 16:52.58 | azeem | blazemonger: https://shop.fluendo.com |
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| 16:53.28 | blazemonger | what's that for azeem? |
| 16:53.51 | azeem | buying multimedia codecs for gstreamer |
| 16:54.08 | blazemonger | really!!? |
| 16:54.15 | blazemonger | finally about time |
| 16:54.21 | blazemonger | gstreamer rocks |
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| 16:54.34 | blazemonger | btw i'm the resident stoner :) |
| 16:54.41 | Wolfcastle | ThinkLinux: don't know? ok thanx anyway |
| 16:54.48 | speyer | what package do i need to be able to view gif images ? |
| 16:55.04 | ThinkLinux | Wolfcastle : sorry i was away |
| 16:55.06 | pablo | hi |
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| 16:55.09 | medc | guys anyone here has a lifedrive and debian etch 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 16:55.11 | medc | ?? |
| 16:55.22 | pablo | can someomne help on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=493859 |
| 16:55.34 | mindframe | is there an env variable i can set to add library paths? |
| 16:55.35 | Wolfcastle | ThinkLinux: no problem, i was just wondering if you can boot with reiser as a module with initrd |
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| 16:56.30 | SpeS | hi, I get: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; after I installed nvidia drivers, what did I messed up? |
| 16:56.33 | speyer | what package do i need to be able to view gif images ? |
| 16:56.43 | ThinkLinux | Wolfcastle . i don't think so.. To boot , you have to compile your kernel with reiserfs filesystem in hard not as a module |
| 16:56.57 | azeem | SpeS: did you load the kernel module? |
| 16:57.15 | speyer | !gif |
| 16:57.16 | dpkg | [gif] (Graphical Interface Format) Invented by CompuServe for efficient transmission of graphics. The format can only support 256 colors, or 8 bits. The newer revision, 89a, allows for multiple images in one file to simulate animation., or check out http://www.burnallgifs.org, or the PNG format (ask me about png) is designed to replace GIF, or to save gifs in gimp apt-get install gimp1.2-nonfree |
| 16:57.26 | SpeS | azeem, I see Nvidia logo at X startup |
| 16:57.28 | Wolfcastle | ThinkLinux: ok thanx man |
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| 16:57.37 | azeem | SpeS: that's from the X driver, not the kernel module I guess |
| 16:57.43 | SpeS | azeem, I did everything I tnink |
| 16:57.57 | SpeS | azeem, the installer compiles it |
| 16:58.16 | SpeS | nvidiafb 42588 0 |
| 16:58.16 | SpeS | i2c_algo_bit 8776 1 nvidiafb |
| 16:58.16 | SpeS | nvidia 4713140 16 |
| 16:58.18 | azeem | SpeS: what does "lsmod | grep nvidia" say? |
| 16:58.20 | azeem | ok. |
| 16:58.23 | SpeS | I've got those things in the kernel... |
| 16:58.35 | SpeS | and 3 more |
| 16:58.40 | blazemonger | how hard is it to produce a low latency 2.6 kernel in debian? |
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| 16:59.01 | medc | guys anyone here has a lifedrive and debian etch 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 16:59.14 | azeem | medc: maybe you problem is more general than that? |
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| 16:59.36 | medc | azeem, tell me |
| 16:59.47 | azeem | SpeS: did you install nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings? |
| 16:59.49 | SpeS | azeem, (EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded |
| 16:59.52 | SpeS | also in the logs... |
| 17:00.05 | azeem | SpeS: I think AIGLX only works with the nvidia driver from experimental |
| 17:00.16 | azeem | medc: well, what is your issue? |
| 17:00.17 | ThinkLinux | pablo : try to use module assistant to load your wireless driver |
| 17:00.21 | mindframe | how do i add libs to a local users path? |
| 17:00.52 | medc | azeem, i got a lifedrive and i switch to drive mode and doesnt appear in the desktop :/ |
| 17:01.00 | SpeS | azeem, I got aiglx working, I'm trying to take it out again... and now OpenGl apps crash the Xorg |
| 17:01.07 | azeem | medc: a lifedrive is an external USB drive? |
| 17:01.13 | SpeS | and I get those errors in the logs |
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| 17:01.28 | SpeS | and don't know what I've done wrong... |
| 17:01.37 | medc | azeem, yes |
| 17:01.48 | azeem | SpeS: but you still want hardware OpenGL? |
| 17:02.00 | iveqy | hi, I'm using etch, and really miss the fuse-module package. How do I get the fuse module to my system? |
| 17:02.03 | azeem | medc: check your log files/dmesg what happens when you turn it on |
| 17:02.40 | SpeS | azeem, OpenGL yes, but not other things like AIGLX, Composite, Damage, etc |
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| 17:02.48 | SpeS | just the neccessary to run OpenGL apps |
| 17:02.52 | pablo | Thnwhich module assistant? |
| 17:02.53 | azeem | SpeS: how did you disable AIGLX? |
| 17:02.57 | tester | i have installed rsync, how can i install the server side of it? |
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| 17:03.14 | SpeS | azeem, # Option "AIGLX" "true" |
| 17:03.16 | medc | azeem i solve it |
| 17:03.17 | vanksi | i lost /dev/sda1 and fdisk /dev/sda says Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite), if i try just 'w' will i lose the data? |
| 17:03.21 | medc | azeem, thnks dude |
| 17:03.21 | medc | :P |
| 17:04.00 | blazemonger | hydrogen=good drum machine proggie |
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| 17:04.15 | azeem | SpeS: I see |
| 17:04.17 | tester | i have installed rsync, how can i install the server side of it?\ |
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| 17:04.45 | SpeS | azeem, how can I leave a default xorg conf file? |
| 17:04.47 | VooXo | hi all. can anyone help me? i have problems with mounting my HDDs? |
| 17:04.52 | geo-rge | say I have a domain a.b, and I'm establishing the dns for it... I want emails for g@a.b and g@c.a.b. Do I need two MX records? |
| 17:04.55 | SpeS | and reinstall nvidia drivers after... |
| 17:05.04 | azeem | SpeS: are there other EE errors in the log? |
| 17:05.14 | valdyn | tester: is already installed by deactivated in /etc/default/, but why don't you just use the ssh transport? |
| 17:05.17 | petemc | geo-rge: you can use an A record |
| 17:05.27 | cwheeler | copy xorg.conf to a backup SpeS |
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| 17:05.42 | tester | valdyn: im only using rsync locally on one machine... |
| 17:05.55 | valdyn | tester: then a server is pointless |
| 17:05.58 | SpeS | azeem, (EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded |
| 17:06.02 | SpeS | azeem, (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X |
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| 17:06.05 | SpeS | only those two |
| 17:06.07 | azeem | ok |
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| 17:06.28 | SpeS | cwheeler, too late :( |
| 17:06.31 | VooXo | hi all. can anyone help me? i have problems with mounting my HDDs |
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| 17:06.36 | geo-rge | oh, sorry... one more detail... the machine that will accept mail for a.b is mymail.vserver.provider |
| 17:06.46 | azeem | SpeS: well, I don't have an nvidia so I don't have any more ideas, sorry |
| 17:07.05 | SpeS | azeem, ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 17:07.20 | geo-rge | hi petemc btw |
| 17:07.21 | SpeS | i'll reinstall nvidia driver... |
| 17:07.29 | VooXo | azeem? |
| 17:07.59 | VooXo | azeem, can you help me mount my hdds? |
| 17:08.03 | geo-rge | VooXo: you have to actually ask a question first |
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| 17:08.15 | VooXo | oh, sorry... here it goes: |
| 17:08.21 | geo-rge | be a sicco... |
| 17:08.23 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 17:08.23 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 17:09.35 | VooXo | i've put this line in fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro 0 0 , but when I try to mount it, dmesg says next: NTFS driver 2.1.22 [Flags: R/W MODULE]. |
| 17:09.35 | VooXo | NTFS-fs error (device hda1): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is invalid. |
| 17:09.35 | VooXo | NTFS-fs error (device hda1): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recover not used. Aborting without trying to recover. |
| 17:09.35 | VooXo | NTFS-fs error (device hda1): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume. |
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| 17:10.04 | VooXo | sorry about that.... so, can anyone help? |
| 17:10.25 | VooXo | i don't get what seems to be the problem |
| 17:10.29 | geo-rge | you might want to make a web page that has your question and this log fragment |
| 17:11.07 | ninestrokeroll | \leave |
| 17:11.16 | VooXo | geo-rge, i don't seem to get your point... |
| 17:11.17 | ninestrokeroll | \list #qt |
| 17:11.24 | geo-rge | btw the last line we got was "ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume." |
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| 17:11.42 | VooXo | jesus, but it IS ntfs - it's under win |
| 17:12.02 | ThinkLinux | pablo : apt-get install module-assistant & then laucnh m-a |
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| 17:12.06 | VooXo | that's why i'm confused |
| 17:12.15 | azeem | VooXo: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:12.27 | geo-rge | maybe it's some new flavor of ntfs that microsoft made specifically to make the linux ntfs driver not work |
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| 17:12.33 | VooXo | 2.6.12 |
| 17:12.44 | azeem | VooXo: maybe try a newer kernel then |
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| 17:12.53 | azeem | VooXo: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:13.35 | VooXo | well, I'm not really using Debian - I'm using Knoppix. but Knoppix is based on Debian, so i had to come in here... knoppix channel is empty o_O |
| 17:13.46 | Ronin | VooXo: #knoppix please and thank you |
| 17:13.49 | geo-rge | !based on debian |
| 17:13.49 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 17:14.04 | blazemonger | Ubuntu is not my fav. |
| 17:14.21 | VooXo | damn, so you can't help me... well, thanks anyway.. |
| 17:14.21 | blazemonger | Ubuntu a bit too unstable for my tastes...Debian though is fast on my system |
| 17:14.39 | geo-rge | would you want to be operated on by a doctor who is based on human? |
| 17:14.40 | blazemonger | i dont know why Ubuntu would be hella sluggish on my box but Debian is fast and more packages actually WORK |
| 17:14.58 | azeem | VooXo: there are at least 21 people in #knoppix |
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| 17:15.09 | VooXo | yeah, and no one answering |
| 17:15.22 | azeem | you might have to be more patient |
| 17:15.29 | mindframe | how do i set an additional LIBS path ? |
| 17:15.34 | VooXo | i'll try again. thanks anyway, guys |
| 17:15.35 | azeem | VooXo: anyway, maybe try a newer kernel |
| 17:15.44 | VooXo | i'll try that too.. |
| 17:15.54 | geo-rge | VooXo: another thing... |
| 17:15.59 | VooXo | shoot |
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| 17:16.31 | geo-rge | you -could- make a fat32 partition to share data between win and linux |
| 17:16.51 | geo-rge | that would be a distribution-independent solution :) |
| 17:17.12 | VooXo | that's a good idea, i've done that before, but i can't do it because my disks are full... |
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| 17:20.56 | VooXo | cheers! |
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| 17:21.43 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:21.56 | HardDisk_WP | <-- remember: debian etch requires kernel 2.6 on compaq m700 notebook... |
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| 17:22.39 | Hellaenergy | I am having a problem making sendmail configuration files via the make functionality. It complains that some m4 files are missing. What package are those in? |
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| 17:24.38 | blondie | !sendmail |
| 17:24.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
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| 17:25.56 | nono_ | salut |
| 17:26.16 | g333k_work | Hi, how can I extract files from a img file? |
| 17:26.34 | amphi | g333k_work: what is an img file? |
| 17:26.45 | cahoot | mount it? |
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| 17:27.14 | g333k_work | amphi, I created a image from a hard disk |
| 17:27.28 | nono_ | leave |
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| 17:27.45 | g333k_work | cahoot, :o ok let me check the man of mount |
| 17:27.46 | amphi | g333k_work: loopback mount it - you'll need to use losetup if the file contains partitions |
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| 17:28.13 | bodydrop | in which CD are the devel binaries packages? |
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| 17:28.43 | g333k_work | amphi, the file contain a whole hard disk, including a ext3 partiton and a swap partition, how can I mount it? |
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| 17:28.57 | geo-rge | bodydrop: probably 1... but: you don't need any cds,,, you can get all packages from the net |
| 17:29.01 | amphi | g333k_work: use losetup |
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| 17:29.23 | lindenle | Why isn't john the ripper in etch? It is only in stable and unstable and testing. |
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| 17:29.29 | bodydrop | geo-rgemy net connection isnt working, and i need to recompile the kernel to make it work. so i need gcc |
| 17:29.32 | lindenle | I mean experimental |
| 17:29.44 | rahul | lindenle: bugs.debian.org? |
| 17:29.47 | rahul | RC bugs? |
| 17:29.51 | holdenSK | lindenle: no new packages for it yet ? |
| 17:29.52 | geo-rge | petemc: oh, sorry... one more detail... the machine that will accept mail for a.b is mymail.vserver.provider |
| 17:30.21 | geo-rge | bodydrop: oh, do you have cds now? |
| 17:30.36 | rahul | !testing reasons |
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| 17:30.49 | lindenle | holdenSK: & rahul: sorry I don't follow, it isn't in testing because of RC bugs? |
| 17:31.14 | lindenle | holdenSK: & rahul: Then why isn't the stable version still in testing? |
| 17:31.15 | geo-rge | lindenle: there is a freeze on testing at the moment |
| 17:31.20 | sphenxes | I am new to ssh, i have installed the system several times in the last few days. I can't connect to my second computer because geting the message on PC2: Add correct host key to /root/.ssh/... . Where can i get the correct key in PC1? |
| 17:31.21 | mark__o | I want to move a /home directory over to the /home directory on another HD. I'm in a live CD. Right now it looks like the owner of the one I want to overwrite is "1000". |
| 17:31.27 | bodydrop | geo-rge: i only got the first one, for the base installation. i didnt realize it didnt have make and gcc tho'. The installation CD has them? |
| 17:31.41 | lindenle | geo-rge: I realize that but why isn't the b=version that was in sarge still in etch? |
| 17:31.51 | cydork | !why john is not in testing |
| 17:31.52 | dpkg | john is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=john |
| 17:31.58 | geo-rge | bodydrop: no, the install cd would only have base, if that |
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| 17:32.06 | lindenle | cydork: ok looking |
| 17:32.06 | geo-rge | (depending on which install cd) |
| 17:32.26 | bodydrop | geo-rge. i see. so, the devel packages are in which CD? |
| 17:32.42 | geo-rge | I'm -guessing- here. cd 1 |
| 17:32.48 | bodydrop | i was thinking of downloading only the needed packages, but dependencies would kill me |
| 17:33.04 | rahul | which "the"? |
| 17:33.14 | geo-rge | well you'd need build-essential and all its deps |
| 17:33.16 | rahul | there are devel packages on all CDs |
| 17:33.25 | g333k_work | amphi, I dont understand what to do... I have to create a loop device? then mount the disk in there? |
| 17:33.29 | bodydrop | damn.. |
| 17:33.49 | geo-rge | rahul: enough to (1) configure and (2) build kernel, plus kernel-package |
| 17:33.51 | bodydrop | any idea on how to get gcc set up without a net connection? |
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| 17:33.52 | rahul | are you trying to find devel packages for C? python ffi? |
| 17:34.14 | geo-rge | rahul: see above |
| 17:34.15 | rahul | hmm, I suspect some of that might be on CD 2. |
| 17:34.17 | lindenle | cydork: sorry is this typical for a package that has an old version that was in stable not to have any version in testing due to a sever bug...this does not seem to make sense to me. I would have expected the stable version to stay but the 1.7 version to not be included untl the bug was fixed. |
| 17:34.32 | amphi | g333k_work: then mount the loop device |
| 17:34.38 | rahul | bodydrop: compile the kernel on another machine. |
| 17:34.50 | amphi | g333k_work: you need to figure out the offset to the partition for losetup IIRC |
| 17:34.57 | geo-rge | rahul: damn, brain block... shoulda thought of that |
| 17:35.01 | bodydrop | i thought about that...but its such a pain... |
| 17:35.01 | rahul | heh |
| 17:35.05 | rahul | bodydrop: it is? |
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| 17:35.15 | bodydrop | logistically |
| 17:35.15 | rahul | bodydrop: it's as hard as compiling it on any other machine... |
| 17:35.20 | geo-rge | bodydrop: no. you use kernel-package and then transfer one file. |
| 17:35.39 | geo-rge | not painful in the slightest |
| 17:35.39 | speyer | do i need to install any package to be able to view network servers ? |
| 17:35.57 | rahul | bodydrop: how is it harder than anything else you might do without a network connection, logistically? you have to copy files, just like if you were to get the compiler and other stuff needed for compiling it |
| 17:36.01 | g333k_work | amphi, do I have to create a loop device of the same size of the partition to mount? |
| 17:36.03 | cydork | lindenle: apparently john has release-critical bugs so it was removed from etch. |
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| 17:36.08 | rahul | speyer: what do you mean "view"? |
| 17:36.26 | rahul | speyer: you open the door to the server closet to look at the servers... |
| 17:36.31 | geo-rge | rahul: the thing is that his present purpose is to get his connection working |
| 17:36.35 | cydork | speyer: no just eyes are needed |
| 17:36.39 | speyer | rahul network:/// its empty |
| 17:36.46 | rahul | speyer: wtf is that? |
| 17:36.46 | amphi | g333k_work: no; just tell losetup to bind a certain offset of the file to /dev/loopN |
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| 17:37.01 | amphi | g333k_work: IIRC - I haven't done this in some time |
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| 17:37.10 | geo-rge | what the hell is network:///?? |
| 17:37.10 | speyer | rahul thats the fucking network file browser |
| 17:37.11 | rahul | geo-rge: ok. but how was he going to get the packages to that machine anyway? |
| 17:37.13 | roe_ | speyer: if you are talking about a fileserver, you ahve to first answer how the fileserver is sharing files |
| 17:37.15 | rahul | speyer: huh? |
| 17:37.19 | g333k_work | amphi, wow.. can you recall it for me? |
| 17:37.21 | abraxxa | is there a recommended ftp server for etch? |
| 17:37.27 | lindenle | cydork: ok, still does not make much sense to me since 1.6-33 was in stable |
| 17:37.30 | speyer | rahul never mind |
| 17:37.32 | B_Raven | Hey, anyone know where I can get a debian stable backport of wine >0.9.26? |
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| 17:37.35 | geo-rge | rahul: I dunno... burn a cd? stick the pkg on a floppy? |
| 17:37.38 | rahul | speyer: that's a URL using some "generic" protocol |
| 17:37.38 | amphi | g333k_work: no better than man losetup ;) |
| 17:37.42 | rahul | geo-rge: heh, a floppy. |
| 17:37.52 | g333k_work | amphi, there is a example inthe man that I dont understand welll |
| 17:37.54 | geo-rge | probably wont fit |
| 17:38.10 | rahul | geo-rge: the compiled kernel probably won't fit on a formatted 1.44MB floppy :) |
| 17:38.14 | geo-rge | but you can split |
| 17:38.22 | speyer | roe_ where can i do that ? i just wanna see the shared directoryes from my windows machine and i clicked on Places network servers |
| 17:38.22 | rahul | or just use a CD :P |
| 17:38.24 | lindenle | Is there another password cracker that run nightly to test user password strength? |
| 17:38.28 | cydork | lindenle: well there was no bug in that package then.. But this one does. did you look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375850 |
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| 17:38.39 | rahul | speyer: you want to use the smb protocol? |
| 17:38.51 | roe_ | speyer: there yago, you just said the magic word "windows"; now we now it is a samba share |
| 17:38.54 | rahul | speyer: or are you looking for nmb? samba is the pacage to use anyway. |
| 17:39.07 | lindenle | cydork: Yes I read it...not a big deal I was just wondering... |
| 17:39.08 | amphi | g333k_work: losetup -o SOME_OFFSET /dev/loop0 some_file |
| 17:39.16 | speyer | rahul well i only want to see from debian the windows machine shared directoryes i dont wanna share anything with samba |
| 17:39.25 | rahul | speyer: huh... |
| 17:39.29 | amphi | g333k_work: where SOME_OFFSET is the offset of the start of the partition in the file |
| 17:39.43 | speyer | rahul i dont want no samba share man |
| 17:39.49 | rahul | speyer: that's like saying you want to get something from a web server but you don't want to use a web browser |
| 17:39.49 | dorel__ | hey cydork |
| 17:39.53 | Sebboh | konsole has tabs. I have a laptop that doesn't have kde. Is there another terminal emulator that has tabs? |
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| 17:40.02 | rahul | speyer: you HAVE an smb share. |
| 17:40.06 | dorel__ | errr |
| 17:40.09 | g333k_work | amphi, now how can I find the correct number that I have to user? |
| 17:40.11 | cydork | dorel__: hey man |
| 17:40.15 | rahul | speyer: that's the protocol windows uses |
| 17:40.18 | amphi | g333k_work: losetup wants the offset in bytes; fdisk -l your_file will give you the offset in some other unit, like 512KB blocks |
| 17:40.32 | speyer | rahul ok so i need to install samba then right ? |
| 17:40.36 | rahul | speyer: yes |
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| 17:41.01 | rahul | speyer: use the client. it feels a little like ftp. |
| 17:41.01 | roe_ | speyer: file access across a network is like any language both ends need to speak it for it to be effective... you windows machine is sharing files, in order to view those files you need to install samba on your debian machine |
| 17:41.15 | geo-rge | abraxxa: ftp isn't recommended at all |
| 17:41.15 | speyer | rahul so if i only wanna browser the shared files from windows machine and not to share anything from my debian machine i still need samba |
| 17:41.29 | speyer | roe_ thanks |
| 17:41.35 | rahul | speyer: use nmb for listing what machines are advertising themselves over the network |
| 17:41.48 | abraxxa | geo-rge: lol, why? |
| 17:41.50 | rahul | speyer: yes. it has both clients and servers |
| 17:41.56 | g333k_work | amphi, thanks let me do it |
| 17:42.04 | geo-rge | abraxxa: protocol intrinsically insecure |
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| 17:42.10 | bodydrop | i was thinking about compiling it somewhere else. but its not only the kernel. i got some other files that need compiling as well to make the connection work. plus i also need `patch'. So, if there was an easy way of handling gcc, make and patchutils dependencies, i'd appreciate :) |
| 17:42.13 | threw | hi al ! |
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| 17:42.25 | geo-rge | <al> I'm all not al! |
| 17:42.29 | abraxxa | geo-rge: its a webserver for uploads, so it will get an ftp server installed... |
| 17:42.49 | dorel__ | uhmm, on sources.list for etch is it stable or etch? |
| 17:42.53 | abraxxa | geo-rge: i might test ssl-ftp, maybe sftp |
| 17:42.59 | rahul | bodydrop: why is it easier to copy all those packages over than it is to copy the compiled results over? |
| 17:43.04 | abraxxa | dorel__: etch |
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| 17:43.09 | geo-rge | abraxxa: what could you possibly be uploading? :P |
| 17:43.15 | threw | i have a simple question: i have a file which contains "1 2 3" how to get 3 file which contain each "1", "2", and "3" please ? and then, how to use those 3 files in order to find the original file please ? |
| 17:43.16 | bodydrop | rahul: i dont have another machine to compile it on. |
| 17:43.18 | rahul | geo-rge: how is FTP intrinsically insecure? |
| 17:43.23 | rahul | bodydrop: what are you using now? |
| 17:43.25 | abraxxa | geo-rge: webpage contents |
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| 17:43.41 | bodydrop | rahul: arch? |
| 17:43.43 | blazemonger | what are the requirements for running sid? |
| 17:43.47 | geo-rge | abraxxa: look into web solutions for that |
| 17:43.49 | rahul | geo-rge: is it more insecure than http? what does that even mean? |
| 17:43.50 | blazemonger | is it hard for newbies? |
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| 17:43.59 | abraxxa | pure-ftpd looks good... |
| 17:44.04 | rahul | blazemonger: you need to figure out how to fix any possible bug. |
| 17:44.04 | threw | anyone has an idea please ? |
| 17:44.11 | rahul | blazemonger: or be ready to reinstall at any moment |
| 17:44.13 | azeem | rahul: http usually doesn't involve uploading |
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| 17:44.23 | abraxxa | i used vsftpd till now, which was ok, but doesn't support encrypted file transfers |
| 17:44.25 | dorel__ | ok thanks |
| 17:44.31 | rahul | azeem: but many times it does... shrug |
| 17:44.45 | rahul | bodydrop: its a different arch? |
| 17:44.56 | Miesco | What are virtual consoles? |
| 17:44.59 | abraxxa | geo-rge: and i don't like to open up port 22 to the internet on the firewall in front of it... |
| 17:45.00 | rahul | bodydrop: setting up cross-compilers can be painful, yes |
| 17:45.02 | HeatHawk[LI] | Im having a printer problem, brother mfc-210c on a windows share, i have the right drivers, the printer added correctly, but when i goto print my printer goes: receiving data, then it dosnt print, when it works on the windows box, ideas? |
| 17:45.16 | HeatHawk[LI] | think its a problem with samba or something? I am at a loss her. |
| 17:45.18 | geo-rge | blazemonger: the requirements are that you are able to solve ANY PROBLEM THAT COMES UP. unstable IS NOT SUPPORTED HERE, and it's not recommended that you use it if you are new (we get to point and laugh constantly if, for example, sid causes your hd that has millions of dollars worth of data erased by sid) |
| 17:45.19 | HeatHawk[LI] | *here. |
| 17:45.22 | bodydrop | rahul: yeah. |
| 17:45.25 | HeatHawk[LI] | i had it working on my last debian install |
| 17:45.41 | rahul | Miesco: the alt-f1, f2, etc consoles you get on the machine when you boot up linux |
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| 17:46.25 | Miesco | How do I lock a console? |
| 17:46.27 | rahul | HeatHawk[LI]: might not have the right print filter set up |
| 17:46.34 | rahul | Miesco: vclock, I believe |
| 17:46.47 | azeem | or screen |
| 17:46.52 | rahul | hrm, not vlock either |
| 17:46.53 | geo-rge | abraxxa: not sure I understand... you're willing to accept the serious security problems of ftp and not willing to arrange to use a much more secure protocol? |
| 17:46.54 | azeem | hrm, not |
| 17:46.58 | azeem | rahul: why not? |
| 17:47.07 | rahul | oh, why don't I have it? |
| 17:47.08 | bodydrop | rahul: damn! are you a bot? you answer way too many questions all at the same time :) |
| 17:47.13 | Miesco | vlock or vclock? |
| 17:47.13 | abraxxa | geo-rge: yes, because ftp is no security risk |
| 17:47.18 | rahul | bastids uninstalled it |
| 17:47.23 | azeem | Miesco: vlock rather, no? |
| 17:47.29 | Miesco | Yea |
| 17:47.34 | threw | does anyone know how to brake a file "1 2 3" into 2 others file, "1", "2", and "3" please N |
| 17:47.39 | geo-rge | abraxxa: passwords are sent over the internet unencrypted. |
| 17:47.43 | azeem | Miesco: ah, rahul typo'd it, sorry |
| 17:47.55 | rahul | geo-rge: that's not part of the ftp protocol, actually |
| 17:47.57 | abraxxa | geo-rge: yes, so use ssl encrypted ftp |
| 17:48.02 | Sebboh | I need a term that has tabs! Any suggestions? A lightweight one? |
| 17:48.03 | rahul | geo-rge: you can use kerberos with ftp |
| 17:48.12 | Miesco | Sebboh: mrxvt has it... |
| 17:48.17 | rahul | Sebboh: screen |
| 17:48.20 | keith80403 | threw, "man csplit" - see if that's what you're looking for. |
| 17:48.33 | geo-rge | abraxxa: aha. so your question becomes: how can you do that |
| 17:48.35 | abraxxa | i'll try pure-ftpd |
| 17:48.45 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, well, i never had to change a filter last time... |
| 17:48.47 | Sebboh | thanks rahul, I grok screen. ;) |
| 17:49.34 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent DHCP request on boot? |
| 17:49.40 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:49.44 | HardDisk_WP | i got a laptop which is rarely on network |
| 17:49.50 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, ok... |
| 17:49.59 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: uninstall the dhcp client |
| 17:50.14 | rahul | remove the hard drive |
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| 17:50.31 | karmatro1ic | HardDisk_WP: comment dhcp parts of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:50.38 | geo-rge | also, the man page you were referred to is a very good read... plus read your own /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:50.40 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, impossible, because when its on netweork i need dhcp |
| 17:50.42 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 17:50.51 | vanksi | ok, i have the following situation, my sata drives changed the order so that sde became sda and sda became sdb and so on, don't know how but anyway, i tought i had lost my partition table on sda and recreated it with fdisk, but i was actually editing the old sde and which did NOT have a partition table (it was encrypted with loopaes and then the partition table was created) so is there any way to get my data back from the old sde (the drive that is now sda? |
| 17:50.59 | vanksi | well that was complex to explay |
| 17:51.05 | vanksi | *explain |
| 17:51.06 | blazemonger | rahul: Etch isn't that bad |
| 17:51.12 | blazemonger | it works on what I neede actually |
| 17:51.25 | blazemonger | so i dont think i have a reason to use sid unless sid has more stuff in the audio realm |
| 17:51.27 | rahul | blazemonger: context? |
| 17:51.38 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, oh jeez, its printing an image, so i guess the test page print is broken |
| 17:51.41 | abraxxa | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk is great! |
| 17:51.48 | geo-rge | vanksi: answer: restore from your backup that you had made of the drive because you thought of this possibility |
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| 17:52.12 | rahul | there is a tool that will scan the drive for filesystem master blocks and will reconstruct a partition table |
| 17:52.32 | geo-rge | rahul: he used "whole drive" |
| 17:52.40 | geo-rge | no partitions |
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| 17:52.53 | rahul | oh. |
| 17:53.02 | geo-rge | (he should have used a partition and partition table tho) |
| 17:53.09 | rahul | sounds like hoseage |
| 17:53.16 | geo-rge | yeha |
| 17:53.22 | geo-rge | ah |
| 17:53.24 | abraxxa | i had a strange problem again: |
| 17:53.24 | abraxxa | a nic caused packets being shown with tcpdump, but they weren't accepted by the daemon (e.g. apache2) |
| 17:53.26 | Sebboh | mrxvt doesn't support unicode.. :( |
| 17:53.38 | abraxxa | has anyone else had this problem? |
| 17:53.48 | azeem | Sebboh: uh, lightweight *and* unicode? |
| 17:53.55 | abraxxa | i switched to another nic and the problem went away (both intel eepro100) |
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| 17:54.18 | geo-rge | abraxxa: so one of the nics is bad |
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| 17:54.31 | Sebboh | azeem, uhm, well, how about, lighter than konsole? =) I kinda like mrxvt, I think. Just got it. |
| 17:54.36 | threw | keith80403, yes it seems to be, but i dont understand how to use csplit. could you give me an example, please ? |
| 17:54.39 | rahul | azeem: why does unicode make somehting heavyweight |
| 17:54.50 | valdyn | abraxxa: tcpdump showing packets already means that your nic has nothing to do with it |
| 17:54.51 | azeem | becuase unicode is hard |
| 17:54.53 | rahul | azeem: it's about 10 lines of code and a specifc font. |
| 17:54.55 | valdyn | !osi |
| 17:54.55 | dpkg | methinks osi is see OSIRM Application - 7, Presentation - 6, Transport - 5, Session - 4, Data Link - 3, Network - 2, Physical - 1.. Open Source Initiative |
| 17:54.57 | abraxxa | geo-rge: yes, but why is that problem not showing up different? |
| 17:55.00 | azeem | rahul: wow, you know all |
| 17:55.01 | rahul | !be a unicode barbie |
| 17:55.02 | dpkg | Aww, unicode is HARD! Let's go shopping, rahul |
| 17:55.06 | abraxxa | valdyn: i thought that too... |
| 17:55.42 | abraxxa | the second server with that problem, 2 have a similar one atm (http post packets from some clients aren't responded) |
| 17:55.43 | rahul | (let's hope we're not going shopping in Thai) |
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| 17:56.08 | azeem | rahul: maybe you can quickly write a 10-line patch for mrxvt then |
| 17:56.49 | rahul | azeem: well, I use languages that have character types that represent characters instead of fixed-size numbers :P |
| 17:57.03 | rahul | so they scale to whatever you need :) |
| 17:57.22 | g333k_work | amphi, what's the offset here? http://pastebin.ca/318682 |
| 17:57.25 | Sebboh | Well, my system is unicode just because, well, that's what the debian-installer recommended. Anywho. Any other terminal emulator recommendations? This isn't a very easy thing for me to google for, due to the commonality of those words... |
| 17:57.34 | speyer | rahul i installed smb-client and samba-common and i still cannot browser shared directoryes |
| 17:57.44 | speyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.10 | geo-rge | Sebboh: what is your native language? or the language you prefer to speak and write in |
| 17:58.16 | amphi | g333k_work: read what that says ;) |
| 17:58.24 | rahul | speyer: ... use the apps in the smb-client package |
| 17:58.26 | krazykit | Sebboh, urxvt? |
| 17:58.41 | azeem | he wants multiple tabs as wel |
| 17:58.41 | azeem | l |
| 17:58.45 | krazykit | ah |
| 17:58.57 | krazykit | multi-aterm? |
| 17:59.04 | krazykit | dunno if it's unicode though... |
| 17:59.26 | speyer | rahul how do i start it man ? there`s no menu with it |
| 17:59.29 | karmatro1ic | speyer: smbclient -L ip_to_browse |
| 17:59.29 | Sebboh | speyer, most distros are shipping samba with user-based authentication these days, and home dirs already configured. So, you should be able to use smbpass to set a password for your user and be good to go. |
| 17:59.35 | Sebboh | geo-rge, English. Why? |
| 17:59.41 | rahul | oh boy |
| 17:59.46 | karmatro1ic | speyer: apt-get install linneighborhood |
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| 17:59.49 | [Cadet] | speyer: Browse what shared directories (where are they shared) and browsing from where |
| 17:59.55 | karmatro1ic | speyer: for a GUI interface |
| 17:59.57 | geo-rge | Sebboh: are there other users of your machine who prefer differently? |
| 18:00.10 | speyer | [Cadet] in a windows machine |
| 18:00.19 | g333k_work | amphi, I cant see the offset value in the output of fdisk -l <img file> |
| 18:00.24 | geo-rge | and one more, do you write in more than just english? |
| 18:00.30 | speyer | karmatro1ic ok thanks |
| 18:00.32 | karmatro1ic | speyer: mount -t smbfs //ip_to_browse/shared_directory /where_to_mount |
| 18:00.36 | [Cadet] | speyer: smbclient -U username //windows-name/sharename |
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| 18:00.46 | Sebboh | geo-rge, Look, half of my machines are native unicode and half aren't. I'm NOT going to bother changing that today. I do have work to do... |
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| 18:01.01 | amphi | g333k_work: ffs, it says there's no valid partition table in the file |
| 18:01.16 | g333k_work | amphi, :o |
| 18:01.16 | rgsteele | Eh, I'm having a lapse in memory... when you generate a certificate, the common name is www.foo.com, not foo.com, correct? |
| 18:01.28 | g333k_work | amphi, but I have restored that image in a hard disk |
| 18:01.29 | geo-rge | Sebboh: I'm asking questions, I'm not (AT ALL) telling you what to do |
| 18:01.37 | Sebboh | So, I'm going to get off this laptop and move back to the desktop. :( It has konsole, which works fine when I have lots of ram/cpu to work with. |
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| 18:01.42 | speyer | karmatro1ic i still cannot launch it from anywhere |
| 18:01.49 | [Cadet] | speyer: or in nautilus put smb://username@servername in the location bar |
| 18:01.54 | rgsteele | Eh, perhaps that's a question for #apache |
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| 18:02.21 | karmatro1ic | speyer: cannot launch what ? |
| 18:02.22 | [Cadet] | speyer: If those two suggestions do not work you do not have something setup correctly |
| 18:02.28 | karmatro1ic | speyer: smbclient ? |
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| 18:02.36 | karmatro1ic | speyer: Linneighborhood ? |
| 18:02.39 | speyer | karmatro1ic apt-get install linneighborhood for a GUI interface |
| 18:02.39 | geo-rge | Sebboh: attitudes towards people who are just trying to help will get you ignored, then you'll have less people who are listening to you when you ask for help |
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| 18:02.51 | Sebboh | geo-rge, ok. =) I don't have any users who speak other languages. But, if I ever do, all I'd have to do is generate a locale of them... |
| 18:03.04 | geo-rge | Sebboh: true |
| 18:03.07 | cyzie | any good recomendation of english dictionary in repos ? |
| 18:03.11 | g333k_work | amphi, what if I dont use the offset value? |
| 18:03.17 | karmatro1ic | speyer: you installed linneighborhood ? |
| 18:03.26 | speyer | karmatro1ic in ubuntu worked when i clicked on Places > Network Servers > it was here |
| 18:03.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do i initiate a DHCP request?? |
| 18:03.32 | speyer | karmatro1ic yes |
| 18:03.36 | amphi | g333k_work: what does file(1) say the .img file is |
| 18:03.38 | amphi | ? |
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| 18:03.55 | karmatro1ic | speyer: you can launch a terminal and then Linneighborhood |
| 18:03.56 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: what do you actually want to accomplish? |
| 18:04.05 | karmatro1ic | speyer: L is important |
| 18:04.12 | speyer | karmatro1ic bash: Linneighborhood: command not found |
| 18:04.18 | roe | speyer: ubuntu takes care of a lot of the common features people want, the drawback is people never learn then what is happening under the hood |
| 18:04.36 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, the laptop is very rare connected to networks...but the network needs DHCP |
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| 18:04.37 | karmatro1ic | speyer: but linneighborhood was installed? |
| 18:04.44 | speyer | roe yeah thats right, but it was also a lot easyer for us |
| 18:04.52 | [Cadet] | Amazing, it's snowing in Austin Texas |
| 18:04.56 | speyer | karmatro1ic linneighborhood is already the newest version |
| 18:04.57 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: and so, the thing you want to have/do is? |
| 18:05.01 | karmatro1ic | speyer: LinNeighborhood |
| 18:05.07 | karmatro1ic | speyer: launch it this way |
| 18:05.07 | g333k_work | amphi, gzip compressed data, from Unix, max compression |
| 18:05.13 | speyer | karmatro1ic works |
| 18:05.36 | rhalff | hi, how do I prevent a module from being loaded by the kernel ? I tried putting sata_mv in de /etc/modprobe.d dir, with a file named sata_mv and blacklist sata_mv within that file, but doesn't seem to work, what's the correct way ? |
| 18:05.53 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, i want it to not DHCPREQUEST on boot, but i want it to do a DHCPREQUEST when I connect the network interface |
| 18:06.07 | Sebboh | geo-rge, pardon me. It's just that 90% of the time when I ask how to do X, I get told that I should just do Y instead. Sometimes, that's because Y is better, but regrettably, more often it is because the helper doesn't know X, but only Y. ...I love the free assistance, and fully appreciate it. It's just frustrating sometimes! If I ask a friend to help me paint my house, that doesn't mean that I'm still trying to choose a color. ;) |
| 18:06.14 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, hey man, i had my printer working, it printed a couple things, then it went back to doing the same thing |
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| 18:06.24 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: ok, did you read the man page for interfaces? |
| 18:06.45 | amphi | g333k_work: might be an idea to unzip it before trying to mount it... |
| 18:06.55 | rahul | HeatHawk[LI]: looks like it's not detecting end of file or something |
| 18:07.07 | karmatro1ic | speyer: ok , its working ? |
| 18:07.10 | geo-rge | Sebboh: hope not... that would frustrate a contractor, and cause him to charge you more money :) |
| 18:07.13 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: man 5 interfaces, already |
| 18:07.22 | Flimzy | My boss wants some sort of general-purpose Linux training material we can give to an employee here to make her familiar with how to use the Linux commandline. This seems like a rough equivolent to asking for primer on the essential technologies used in space coloninization... in other words, it seems too broad to be of any specific use... But does anyone have a suggested resource? heh |
| 18:07.24 | speyer | karmatro1ic nope LinNeighborhood is not what i want :( |
| 18:07.33 | karmatro1ic | no ? |
| 18:07.39 | jjazz | Flimzy: man man? |
| 18:07.47 | Flimzy | jjazz: good suggestion :) |
| 18:07.53 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yay but i didnt understand it pretty good... |
| 18:07.55 | roe | speyer: I understand your frustration, as far as desktops concern I usually stick to ubuntu and leave debian for the server side |
| 18:07.56 | jjazz | :) |
| 18:07.58 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, could be, the printer actually reports receiving data until finished, so it takes a while for bigger pictures and stuff, but in this case its super quick |
| 18:07.58 | speyer | karmatro1ic how do i check if samba daemon its running ? |
| 18:08.00 | geo-rge | Flimzy: "Learning the BASH Shell", oreilly publ? |
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| 18:08.06 | karmatro1ic | speyer: dont you want to browse and possibly mount windows shares? |
| 18:08.07 | cornernote | i had my network card working yesterday... then after a reboot it starts doing this when it looks for a dhcp: unknown hardware address type 24 |
| 18:08.07 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, im using the latest etch, ideas? |
| 18:08.14 | speyer | roe yeah but debian its a lot faster then ubuntu |
| 18:08.16 | rahul | HeatHawk[LI]: no, I don't do much printing |
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| 18:08.28 | g333k_work | amphi, :p |
| 18:08.29 | cornernote | and also unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 18:08.29 | shwag | I can do a chmod +r /var/log/* , but then when new log files are rotated in, they dont have the +r. |
| 18:08.42 | speyer | karmatro1ic i do , i tryed with LinNeighborhood didnt work and now i remove it |
| 18:08.43 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: did you see what is required in that file to cause an interface to be brought up on boot? |
| 18:08.45 | rahul | Flimzy: google for unix in 10 minutes, I think |
| 18:08.47 | karmatro1ic | shwag: man umask |
| 18:08.49 | HeatHawk[LI] | rahul, no keys to right direction eh? |
| 18:08.51 | Flimzy | rahul: okay. |
| 18:09.00 | cornernote | anyone know what that means? i see a lot of people with the same problem in a google search, but no real answers |
| 18:09.12 | rahul | Flimzy: at least that will be a quick intro. |
| 18:09.15 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, the auto eth0 |
| 18:09.16 | shwag | karmatrolic: i know umask. how does that help me with log files ? |
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| 18:09.17 | roe | speyer: hehe, it is only faster because it doesn't have all of the overhead of all that configured and installed stuff, so if you are going to install and configure all that stuff anyway you are not going to see a performance difference |
| 18:09.21 | [Cadet] | shwag: Wanting regular user to ready them I assume? If so put those users in the adm group |
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| 18:09.29 | rahul | HeatHawk[LI]: no. I just know that printing with these new printers is really wacky |
| 18:09.30 | speyer | karmatro1ic how come in ubuntu i only installed smb-client and everything worked ? i dont mind changing default smb.conf or something what about i need to do ? |
| 18:09.32 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: what is the implication of that being missing? |
| 18:09.37 | shwag | [Cadet]: adm is that just for logs ? |
| 18:09.47 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, the device is not initialized at boot |
| 18:09.48 | speyer | roe you thing so ? |
| 18:09.56 | speyer | roe err think |
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| 18:10.00 | karmatro1ic | speyer: because the nautilus version on ubuntu had defualt smb support i guess |
| 18:10.05 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: ok, how does that relate to your situation? |
| 18:10.26 | [Cadet] | nautilus version in etch lets me browse smb shares |
| 18:10.31 | speyer | roe i see it already . even my azureus was crashing all the time in ubuntu |
| 18:10.37 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, i need auto eth0 disabled (with a # at line begin) to prevent it being brought up at bootz |
| 18:10.58 | speyer | karmatro1ic so there no way of having it same as in ubuntu ? |
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| 18:11.01 | roe | speyer: debian and ubuntu are built on almost the exact same framework, the only difference between the 2 are what comes pre-installed |
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| 18:11.22 | majhoul | hello, i was trying to install debian sarge on a PC with hd 250Go, but in the partitonning step it indicated: no hd founded |
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| 18:11.27 | speyer | roe yeah |
| 18:11.29 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: did you notice that most of what I said really has nothing to do with your problem domain? it's really about determining and solving whatever problem comes up |
| 18:11.29 | [Cadet] | speyer: What version of debian? |
| 18:11.35 | speyer | [Cadet] etch |
| 18:11.46 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, not realyl |
| 18:11.48 | B_Raven | What's /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a ? |
| 18:12.08 | [Cadet] | speyer: and clicking Places -> Network Servers doesn't browse the network? |
| 18:12.10 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: ah... then you could use more practice solving problems. |
| 18:12.18 | speyer | karmatro1ic why is nautilus have a Go > Network link if it aint working ;) |
| 18:12.22 | [Cadet] | Does here and also at my work (very big windows shop) |
| 18:12.24 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yay...i use debian / linux since 3 weeks |
| 18:12.26 | speyer | [Cadet] nope |
| 18:12.43 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: you can use this situation and my questions as an example |
| 18:12.52 | amphi | g333k_work: any progress? |
| 18:12.56 | [Cadet] | speyer: does smb.conf have the correct workgroup/domain ? |
| 18:13.00 | geo-rge | that is, my questions and your answers |
| 18:13.08 | speyer | [Cadet] let me check |
| 18:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, ok..i already disabled the auto eth0 and i had success. but how do i initiate a dhcp request? ifconfig eth0 up doesnt do it |
| 18:13.26 | [Cadet] | speyer: Although you should still be able to browse |
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| 18:13.35 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: man ifup |
| 18:13.39 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 18:13.43 | speyer | [Cadet] workgroup = MSHOME |
| 18:13.44 | g333k_work | amphi, I do gzip -d <file> but I got this error: gzip: /home/ftp/uploads/ltsp_edgy.img: unknown suffix -- ignored |
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| 18:13.53 | speyer | [Cadet] like my windows machine |
| 18:13.58 | [Cadet] | speyer: does something like smbclient -L windows-machine-name work? |
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| 18:14.14 | geo-rge | (note, ifconfig does not read /etc/network/interfaces, ifup does) |
| 18:14.18 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, strange ifup eth0=> ignoring unknown device eth0=eth0... |
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| 18:14.28 | threw | does anyone know how to split a file by using as limiter each space in the file please ? I mean, that, for exemple, if i have a file which contain this: "1 2 3\n4 5 6" (\n = End Of Line): how to get three file: one which contain "1\n4", another "2\n5", and a last one which contain "3\n6", please ? |
| 18:14.33 | speyer | [Cadet] failed |
| 18:14.36 | geo-rge | eth0=? |
| 18:14.50 | ma3x | why can't I chown a file? I do chown ma3x.ma3x file and it still says root root |
| 18:14.51 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, the ethernet device, which is un-initialized |
| 18:15.00 | roe | speyer: how about smbclient -L <windows-IPaddress> |
| 18:15.03 | rahul | threw: standard unix tools probably couldn't do that |
| 18:15.06 | geo-rge | what command exactly did you use? |
| 18:15.14 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, "ifup eth0" |
| 18:15.30 | threw | rahul, arf, so don't you know any bash script that could do that please ? |
| 18:15.33 | geo-rge | ok, look in /etc/network/interfaces and see if anything is mistyped |
| 18:15.39 | [Cadet] | speyer: An error message? |
| 18:15.43 | speyer | roe it should work , i just find out that my little boy turned off that pc ;)) |
| 18:15.56 | speyer | [Cadet] one moment please |
| 18:16.07 | roe | speyer: hehe |
| 18:16.10 | rahul | threw: nope. I wouldn't write on either, heh |
| 18:16.17 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, no, only the eth0 lines are uncummented. but ifconfig eth0 up did not give a error |
| 18:16.18 | rahul | threw: files suck as a data type. |
| 18:16.44 | geo-rge | it also doesn't start the dhcp client which is likely what you want? |
| 18:16.51 | [Cadet] | speyer: Might be a good reason why it's not working. |
| 18:16.52 | g333k_work | amphi, any clue? I generated this file using ghost for linux |
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| 18:17.09 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, no it doesnt start a dhcp client |
| 18:17.09 | threw | rahul, yes i know :) |
| 18:17.09 | speyer | [Cadet] smbclient -L works |
| 18:17.10 | [Cadet] | speyer: But don't blame the children |
| 18:17.15 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: but that is what you want? |
| 18:17.19 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yes. |
| 18:17.20 | [Cadet] | speyer: They nautilus will work |
| 18:17.26 | [Cadet] | s/They/Then/ |
| 18:17.42 | geo-rge | ok, how to get from what you have to what you want... hmm... |
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| 18:17.52 | speyer | [Cadet] Places -> Network Servers still dosnt |
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| 18:18.11 | geo-rge | (remember... ifup reads /etc/network/interfaces...) |
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| 18:18.34 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, maybe change the auto to something other...but i didnt find anythin in the manpage |
| 18:18.42 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 18:18.59 | geo-rge | do you think you might have a mistype in that file? |
| 18:19.04 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, no |
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| 18:19.21 | [Cadet] | speyer: It might take a few minutes for the browse lists to populate |
| 18:19.30 | geo-rge | are you sure? (note, this file does work for most people) |
| 18:19.45 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yes. only thing I changed was comment out the two eth0 lines |
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| 18:19.49 | amphi | g333k_work: it's not a disk image, it would seem |
| 18:20.00 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: two? which ones? |
| 18:20.00 | speyer | [Cadet] it might yeah i will wait a few mins then |
| 18:20.12 | linux_jones | i upgraded my laptop to etch last night (for some reason it kept kernel 2.4) and now ndiswrapper wont work |
| 18:20.17 | [Cadet] | speyer: Try opening nautilus and opening smb://username@servername |
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| 18:20.31 | cornernote | something went a bit crazy ... i have an eth0_rename, and eth1 and an sit0 (shown in ifconfig -a) |
| 18:20.40 | g333k_work | amphi, so what is it then? maybe I have to use the same tool that I used to generate it to extract some files |
| 18:20.41 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, line 1: "#auto eth0" line 2: "#iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 18:20.48 | amphi | g333k_work: here is a file(1) output on a disk image here: 9term.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x39, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 2185281 sectors |
| 18:20.50 | cornernote | and DHCPDISCOVER doesnt work any more |
| 18:21.02 | x_link | Ronin: Still there? |
| 18:21.06 | speyer | [Cadet] i dont know how to connect that way there is no such user |
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| 18:21.12 | x_link | amphi: I couldn't set the language when I logged in. |
| 18:21.13 | Vme | hello |
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| 18:21.22 | x_link | Or maybe it wasn't you who said that, |
| 18:21.22 | linux_jones | ifup wlan0 give me a bunch of junk, and says device not present, any advice? |
| 18:21.25 | [Cadet] | speyer: You have no users on that windows machine ;) |
| 18:21.29 | speyer | [Cadet] even with smbclient -L it asked me for a password but there is none |
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| 18:21.33 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: ok, check the interfaces man page, the question you are trying to get answered thereby is "how does ifup know about eth0" |
| 18:21.49 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, aaah...should I uncomment line 2? |
| 18:21.52 | amphi | g333k_work: I have no idea |
| 18:21.52 | [Cadet] | speyer: actually just smb://servername should work too |
| 18:21.55 | Vme | i know this is a horrible idea but i'm trying to walk someone through installing ssh on a debian box and for some reason with the default stable release "apt-get install openssh-server" doesn't work?? |
| 18:22.06 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: sounds like a good experiment to try |
| 18:22.07 | [Cadet] | It should show the shares, although it will required user/pass to access them |
| 18:22.14 | speyer | [Cadet] doenst work |
| 18:22.22 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 18:22.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:22.23 | Vme | so i had this person install telnetd, but for some reason its not letting me telnet to it even after i installed it |
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| 18:22.41 | geo-rge | (/me refuses to give straight answers when there is a possibility the person will learn more) |
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| 18:23.01 | geo-rge | just so ya know :P |
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| 18:23.42 | speyer | [Cadet] have a look here please http://pastebin.ca/318723 |
| 18:24.15 | speyer | [Cadet] in terminal works in nautilus it doenst :) |
| 18:24.22 | geo-rge | Vme: you know telnet protocol is intrinsically insecure? |
| 18:24.36 | [Cadet] | speyer: Works like a champ here, only have smbclient, smbfs, and samba-common installed |
| 18:24.41 | geo-rge | rahul: same deal with telnet? kerberos able? |
| 18:24.47 | SerajewelKS | speyer: please define "doesn't work" |
| 18:24.59 | rahul | geo-rge: yes |
| 18:25.02 | [Cadet] | speyer: You using gnome ? |
| 18:25.03 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, did not work |
| 18:25.13 | speyer | [Cadet] yes , you ? |
| 18:25.16 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: not sure I understand |
| 18:25.17 | [Cadet] | yes |
| 18:25.24 | rahul | geo-rge: and ssh, for that matter. |
| 18:25.31 | speyer | SerajewelKS doesnt work means " it`s not working " :) |
| 18:25.33 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, i dont understand, too... |
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| 18:25.48 | SerajewelKS | !tell speyer about doesn't work |
| 18:25.50 | speyer | SerajewelKS i cannot browser shared directoryes from my windows machine |
| 18:26.00 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: when you say "did not work" what exactly is not working? |
| 18:26.12 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, it doesnt do a DHCP request |
| 18:26.24 | Vme | geo-rge: yes, I understand that but with Sarge, what is the "SSHD" package ?? in ETCH its openssh-server??? |
| 18:26.24 | geo-rge | what does it do? |
| 18:26.25 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, and a ping shows "network is unreachable" |
| 18:26.38 | SerajewelKS | speyer: are they shared on your windows machine or are you browsing shares exported from a windows machine? |
| 18:26.51 | geo-rge | try: |
| 18:26.55 | SerajewelKS | speyer: blech, let me try again |
| 18:26.58 | geo-rge | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 18:27.00 | [Cadet] | speyer: On my kids computers I only have smbclient and samba-common installed, let me verify it works on them too |
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| 18:27.04 | geo-rge | ifdown eth0 |
| 18:27.08 | erchache | when do unfreez of etch? |
| 18:27.08 | geo-rge | ifup eth0 |
| 18:27.13 | SerajewelKS | speyer: are they shared on your windows machine or are you browsing a share exported from linux on a windows box? |
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| 18:27.19 | speyer | SerajewelKS they are shared in my other machine (windows) which is on the same network |
| 18:27.22 | geo-rge | erchache: -hopefully- never |
| 18:27.32 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, "ifdown eth0": interface eth0 not configured |
| 18:27.42 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: good |
| 18:27.45 | SerajewelKS | speyer: which folders are you expecting to see? |
| 18:27.54 | speyer | SerajewelKS C |
| 18:27.57 | speyer | no D |
| 18:27.58 | linux_jones | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device when trying to ifconfig wlan0 up with ndiswrapper, any help? |
| 18:28.04 | SerajewelKS | speyer: $C? |
| 18:28.05 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, aaah, dhcp request done. |
| 18:28.05 | [Cadet] | speyer: Yes I can browser from their machines too |
| 18:28.17 | speyer | SerajewelKS $D |
| 18:28.22 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, works...thx! |
| 18:28.27 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: so: your netwodking was in a funny state |
| 18:28.29 | speyer | [Cadet] i have all packages installed too |
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| 18:28.40 | geo-rge | when you did "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 18:28.40 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: err, i see "D" there too |
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| 18:28.46 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: oops |
| 18:28.58 | speyer | [Cadet] smbclient smbfs samba-common |
| 18:29.01 | SerajewelKS | speyer: i see "D" too, now what exactly is "not working" and how is it "not working" |
| 18:29.06 | cornernote | ok... i had to use a temp network card while i was setting up... then i had 2 running (after the built in one was detected)... now i have eth0_rename and eth1... eth0_rename is now the uilt in card and eth1 is nothing.. how do i remove eth1 and change eth0_rename to eth0 ? |
| 18:29.13 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, ok |
| 18:29.14 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: what are some of the programs you think ifup and ifdown use? |
| 18:29.15 | speyer | SerajewelKS what ? do you mean that you see my D ? |
| 18:29.27 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, ifconfig? |
| 18:29.28 | SerajewelKS | speyer: in the pastebin you gave, yes |
| 18:29.32 | speyer | SerajewelKS D$ Disk Default share |
| 18:29.33 | geo-rge | yep:) |
| 18:29.44 | SerajewelKS | speyer: D Disk |
| 18:29.55 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: do you think it's possible to confuse ifup and ifdown by using ifconfig? |
| 18:29.56 | SerajewelKS | speyer: D$ is an internal share, D is the one you have configured |
| 18:30.05 | speyer | SerajewelKS well it works in terminal but i want to see it in nautilus |
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| 18:30.17 | SerajewelKS | speyer: okay, you still haven't answered my question |
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| 18:30.24 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yay... |
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| 18:30.26 | geo-rge | rephrase: |
| 18:30.26 | SerajewelKS | speyer: how does it "not work" in nautilus |
| 18:30.40 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: do you think it's possible to confuse ifup and ifdown by YOU using ifconfig MANUALLY? |
| 18:30.46 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 18:30.55 | speyer | SerajewelKS i cannot browse it $D i wanna see shared folder $D in nautilus |
| 18:31.03 | cornernote | i guess my question (simplified) is: how do i change interface names ? |
| 18:31.07 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yay...maybe they use different config fiels? |
| 18:31.12 | SerajewelKS | speyer: you won't see a D$ share, because that is internal to windows |
| 18:31.17 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: possible. |
| 18:31.21 | speyer | SerajewelKS Places > Network Servers should show that |
| 18:31.28 | SerajewelKS | speyer: no it should not |
| 18:31.38 | speyer | SerajewelKS what do i need to do then ? |
| 18:31.41 | Wolfcastle | I was wondering if there is a repository with more updated software |
| 18:31.42 | SerajewelKS | speyer: it should show "D", but NOT "D$" |
| 18:31.44 | geo-rge | NOW do you see how you have learned by thinking for yourself? |
| 18:31.54 | Wolfcastle | I just installed konversation and it's version 0.16 |
| 18:32.07 | SerajewelKS | speyer: what happens when you open this in nautilus? smb://server-name/D |
| 18:32.08 | speyer | SerajewelKS i should see in Places > Network Servers > MsHome > ServerName > $D |
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| 18:32.14 | SerajewelKS | speyer: no you should not |
| 18:32.24 | SerajewelKS | speyer: you should see ServerName > D |
| 18:32.34 | speyer | SerajewelKS not valid |
| 18:32.40 | Vme | How do you install SSHD with SARGE? |
| 18:32.45 | speyer | SerajewelKS thats what i said too |
| 18:32.49 | SerajewelKS | speyer: what is not valid |
| 18:32.51 | azeem | Vme: apt-get install ssh |
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| 18:32.56 | SerajewelKS | speyer: no that is not what you said |
| 18:32.57 | speyer | SerajewelKS the url :) |
| 18:33.04 | SerajewelKS | speyer: "D$" and "D" are DIFFERENT THINGS |
| 18:33.27 | speyer | SerajewelKS i put smb://server-name/D |
| 18:33.27 | Zweisteine | hi! I'm setting up a thin client environment and I have a problem with international keyboard layouts: The kxkb switching utility does not work from the remote clients (nor does setxkbmap directly, I have to type "setxkbmap -print ro | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY", as it says in the manual when the X server is remote. What should I do? |
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| 18:33.32 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: NOW do you see how you have learned by thinking for yourself? all I did was led you near each part |
| 18:33.40 | SerajewelKS | speyer: okay, and what is "not valid"? |
| 18:33.54 | speyer | SerajewelKS this url smb://server-name/D |
| 18:34.02 | SerajewelKS | speyer: be specific, you'll get better help |
| 18:34.03 | SerajewelKS | speyer: ok |
| 18:34.10 | speyer | SerajewelKS is not a valid location |
| 18:34.12 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, ya |
| 18:34.22 | [Cadet] | speyer: depending on how you have it shared it is possible to not be able to browse anonymously |
| 18:34.42 | speyer | [Cadet] there is no password required |
| 18:34.43 | SerajewelKS | speyer: okay then nautilus does not understand smb: |
| 18:34.49 | Wolfcastle | is there a spanish debian channel? |
| 18:34.53 | [Cadet] | speyer: if smbclient worked for you double check with it like this smbclient -U username //george/d$ |
| 18:34.53 | linux_jones | nobody likes ndiswrapper |
| 18:35.01 | SerajewelKS | speyer: because "url not valid" is not the same as "no such share" |
| 18:35.02 | roe | speyer: and I bet you thought windows shares were easy to get working :)....heck once your done with this you will really appreciate nfs |
| 18:35.03 | speyer | SerajewelKS how do i make em` to ? |
| 18:35.04 | [Cadet] | Should open up an ftp like interface |
| 18:35.29 | speyer | roe :) yeah |
| 18:35.33 | erchache | i have a file of 2.5gb and i want to convert from iso to utf with iconv |
| 18:35.43 | erchache | iconv show is a file too long and break |
| 18:35.47 | erchache | i use split |
| 18:35.48 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: next and last... read man 5 interfaces again, this time your question you're trying to get answered is: "What are other situations I can set up specialized network setups, or at least what are the pieces I can play with" |
| 18:35.55 | erchache | and after join like >> |
| 18:36.07 | speyer | [Cadet] there is no username i need to type to browser the windows server |
| 18:36.08 | SerajewelKS | speyer: what does this command say? dpkg -l libgnomevfs2-extra | tail -1 |
| 18:36.10 | erchache | but mysql fails on load it (splitted file is a .sql dump |
| 18:36.14 | [Cadet] | internal shares as they have been referred to in here are accessible. I do it all the time at work using that smbclient command I showed you |
| 18:36.17 | erchache | how i can do it? |
| 18:36.45 | speyer | [Cadet] smbclient -U username //george/d$ === tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 18:36.58 | SerajewelKS | speyer: no shit |
| 18:37.01 | speyer | SerajewelKS un libgnomevfs2-extra <none> (no description available) |
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| 18:37.05 | [Cadet] | speyer: Well it would have to be a valid user |
| 18:37.06 | SerajewelKS | speyer: you can't access d$, as i've said |
| 18:37.12 | SerajewelKS | speyer: aptitude install libgnomevfs2-extra |
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| 18:37.14 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, ok |
| 18:37.28 | SerajewelKS | speyer: then restart gnome to be safe, then you should have smb: access in nautilus |
| 18:37.28 | speyer | [Cadet] i dont need a username to connect to my windows machine |
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| 18:37.57 | [Cadet] | SerajewelKS: You are wrong my friend. I do support for a living and you can access c$, d$, ?$ as long as you have the credentials |
| 18:38.09 | SerajewelKS | [Cadet]: of course. but not in this scenario. |
| 18:38.10 | speyer | SerajewelKS that command will remove 105 packages and install one which is libgnomevfs2-extra to be installed |
| 18:38.35 | SerajewelKS | speyer: what repo are you using? |
| 18:38.39 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: other than that, it will be VERY useful to you if you learn the bash shell |
| 18:38.46 | speyer | SerajewelKS ok i done it with apt-get install and worked |
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| 18:38.51 | SerajewelKS | speyer: ok |
| 18:39.03 | rahul | geo-rge: interesting side note to the earlier discussion. Active Directory uses kerberos for user auth |
| 18:39.04 | SerajewelKS | speyer: restart gnome and you should see the D share |
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| 18:39.32 | SerajewelKS | [Cadet]: he already has a D share, so i'm just trying to convince him that D is what he really wants, not D$. apparently it's not going well. |
| 18:39.38 | geo-rge | rahul: is that that microsoft-altered kerberos5 from mit? |
| 18:39.40 | rahul | geo-rge: but only for auth and only a crappy cipher. des-md5 or some shit |
| 18:39.42 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, yay |
| 18:39.48 | speyer | SerajewelKS my source.list http://pastebin.ca/318738 |
| 18:39.51 | bodydrop | is there a smart way to figure out which files were installed (by the 'normal' ./configure ; make ; make install way) and where they are? |
| 18:39.57 | speyer | SerajewelKS ok brb then |
| 18:40.07 | rahul | geo-rge: dunno if they used much of the mit code, but I guess why not if it's there. |
| 18:40.07 | [Cadet] | SerajewelKS: Weird, I've never had to install that package. I guess it has always been pulled in automatically with the stuff I install by default |
| 18:40.24 | rahul | geo-rge: they don't even use an hmac, the loonies. |
| 18:40.29 | SerajewelKS | [Cadet]: nod, me too. just did "apt-cache search vfs smb", and there it was. |
| 18:40.36 | rahul | geo-rge: actually, I think it supports 3des-md5 as well |
| 18:41.00 | [Cadet] | SerajewelKS: Good job |
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| 18:41.14 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: lastly it will be very helpful to you to come to understand where things are stored on your disk and why each place was chosen |
| 18:41.20 | speyer | SerajewelKS works man thanks a lot |
| 18:41.25 | SerajewelKS | [Cadet]: it has three rdepends: gnome-desktop-environment nautilus libgnomevfs2-0 |
| 18:41.28 | SerajewelKS | speyer: nps |
| 18:41.59 | SerajewelKS | [Cadet]: which makes no sense to me, he should have had that package installed, or maybe his system was in an inconsistent state. |
| 18:42.00 | speyer | SerajewelKS did you look at my source.list ? its it save ? |
| 18:42.15 | SerajewelKS | speyer: yes, i just wanted to know what release you were using |
| 18:42.22 | geo-rge | rahul: I never really succeeded in setting up a kerberos system |
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| 18:42.31 | speyer | SerajewelKS etch |
| 18:42.38 | SerajewelKS | speyer: yes i saw :) |
| 18:42.41 | speyer | SerajewelKS i made upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 18:42.43 | geo-rge | (only succeeded in getting a tgt generator working) |
| 18:43.16 | rahul | geo-rge: it's a bit painful |
| 18:43.33 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, maybe i have to read the fat debian manual in front of me |
| 18:43.43 | HardDisk_WP | (yay i searched in it) |
| 18:43.52 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: maybe little pieces of it at a time |
| 18:44.06 | bodydrop | the base package has linux-atm ? |
| 18:44.17 | linux_jones | how importiant is udev? |
| 18:44.18 | ma3x | if I paste a file url into firefox, how do I download it as a file? |
| 18:44.22 | geo-rge | you have to make sure your mind is in it (the way you did now) |
| 18:44.23 | SerajewelKS | speyer: this is why i wanted precise answers to my questions. when you gave me "url not valid" instead of "it doesn't work", i knew immediately what the problem was. |
| 18:44.56 | speyer | SerajewelKS yeah appreciate you work |
| 18:45.12 | SerajewelKS | speyer: no problem |
| 18:45.31 | Wolfcastle | I have a problem with XKB, the error is http://rafb.net/p/0Yv9K960.html |
| 18:45.34 | geo-rge | speyer: you need also to appreciate YOUR work, your thought and how you saw the problem |
| 18:45.36 | Wolfcastle | would appreciate any help |
| 18:46.19 | x_link | amphi: I fixed the problem myself =) |
| 18:46.29 | speyer | geo-rge yep |
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| 18:46.30 | amphi | x_link: good |
| 18:46.48 | x_link | Who could thought that ME, x_link can fix a linux problem ? |
| 18:46.49 | x_link | lol hehehe |
| 18:46.54 | x_link | Damn it feels sooo GOOD ! =) |
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| 18:47.33 | ma3x | how can I wget a file with firefox |
| 18:47.37 | speyer | SerajewelKS would you please tell me how do i add a line for a mounted hdd to be auto mounted with rw permission for user ? |
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| 18:47.53 | ma3x | for example yahoo.com/file.jpg , how do you directly save it to disk? |
| 18:47.57 | ma3x | without viewing it |
| 18:48.17 | speyer | SerajewelKS /dev/sda1 on /media/Hard1 type ext3 and /dev/hdh1 on /media/Hard2 type ext3 i want this 2 to be mounted automaticly at boot and both with rw permission for user not root :) |
| 18:48.44 | shwag | [Cadet]: "adm: Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group." |
| 18:49.12 | Wolfcastle | ma3x: just type "wget url" |
| 18:49.27 | Wolfcastle | ma3x: and it should be saved into the current directory |
| 18:49.47 | [Cadet] | shwag: That's what you wanted right? |
| 18:49.59 | shwag | [Cadet]: yup, thanks. |
| 18:50.13 | SerajewelKS | speyer: i have to move classrooms, gimme a few minutes or ask the whole channel |
| 18:50.13 | linux_jones | how importiant is udev? |
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| 18:50.52 | w0jtas` | hi, how can i check that distro finds my harddisk ? |
| 18:51.00 | ma3x | Wolfcastle: I can't get it with wget , because I should authenticate first |
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| 18:51.31 | CharminTheMoose | ping |
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| 18:53.42 | The_Plumber | looking for a good diagnostics util (hd, mem especially) that is bootable, any suggestions? want to check for bad blocks on primary so it will need to be bootable, been out of this for so long cant remember any good utils for linux |
| 18:54.23 | w0jtas` | rescue:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:54.28 | w0jtas` | sry :/ |
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| 18:56.49 | mnuhmnuh | The_Plumber: SystemRescueCD. Lots of good tools there. |
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| 18:58.48 | The_Plumber | mnuhmnuh: cool, checking out the "Linux Diagnostics Tools" from sourceforge right now. |
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| 18:59.04 | thnee | is there some sort of apt-get for users, that downloads debs and its dependecies to a folder instead of to the system folders? |
| 18:59.14 | shwag | whats the best tool to use for filesystem integrity checks ? |
| 18:59.45 | justin | shwag: debsums can be useful if you have nothing to compare the data to |
| 18:59.47 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.54 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.07 | dererk[work] | Hi there! Does anyone know if mc supports sftp ? :\ |
| 19:00.12 | shwag | justin: is there any easyway to run that against the whole system ? |
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| 19:00.17 | justin | dererk[work]: lftp does |
| 19:00.18 | jjazz | dererk[work]: It does |
| 19:00.28 | speyer | /dev/sda1 on /media/Hard1 type ext3 and /dev/hdh1 on /media/Hard2 type ext3 i want this 2 to be mounted automaticly at boot and both with rw permission for user not root |
| 19:00.28 | jjazz | dererk[work]: Or at least something like it |
| 19:00.31 | justin | shwag: install debsums, run it |
| 19:00.33 | speyer | any help ? |
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| 19:01.27 | thnee | lindenle: well i want it to unpack them there and change the lib-paths and stuff so i can just run the program |
| 19:01.44 | valdyn | !stp |
| 19:01.47 | valdyn | !sftp |
| 19:01.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 19:01.50 | mnuhmnuh | speyer: look in /etc/fstab |
| 19:02.07 | jjazz | dererk[work]: mc supports the fish protocol |
| 19:02.07 | lindenle | thnee: like you want to install them under your home directory?? |
| 19:02.14 | maddash | speyer: google that one. and add "auto" in the third-to-last column |
| 19:02.20 | dererk[work] | jjazz, what's that? |
| 19:02.38 | dererk[work] | justin, sftp does too, but I was wondering if mc did :P |
| 19:02.50 | jjazz | dererk[work]: It's a way to transfer and browse files over sftp, IIRC |
| 19:02.53 | The_Plumber | mnuhmnuh: looks as though they have everything except for a good memory checker |
| 19:03.00 | thnee | lindenle: yes |
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| 19:03.07 | The_Plumber | in fact, ive never seen a memory checker for linux |
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| 19:03.17 | mnuhmnuh | The_Plumber: memtest86? |
| 19:03.30 | dererk[work] | jjazz, thanks :) |
| 19:03.31 | valdyn | The_Plumber: memtest86 runs from you boot manager, memtest is a memory check for linux |
| 19:03.32 | The_Plumber | did i miss that? is that on there? |
| 19:03.36 | jjazz | dererk[work]: np |
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| 19:03.46 | The_Plumber | no kiddin? |
| 19:03.47 | mnuhmnuh | The_Plumber: last time i looked. |
| 19:03.50 | The_Plumber | from grub? |
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| 19:04.21 | buu | So.. anyone happen to know how to convert a .dmg file to something useful on a lunix box? |
| 19:04.37 | The_Plumber | mnuhmnuh: thanks for the advice, that is perfect! |
| 19:04.49 | mnuhmnuh | The_Plumber: It's been a while for me. SuSE used to have it in the grub menu. |
| 19:04.52 | _JusSx_ | buu: .dmg? what file format is? |
| 19:04.58 | _JusSx_ | buu: disk image? |
| 19:05.11 | The_Plumber | finally an irc discussion that paid off without ridicule :-) |
| 19:05.23 | buu | _JusSx_: Heh, never mind. |
| 19:05.28 | mnuhmnuh | The_Plumber: BTW, gcc is the best memory checker. Build kernel. :-) |
| 19:05.32 | lindenle | thnee: Not sure apt-get will do that but you could grap the sources with apt-get apt-get source.Or dpkg may be able to change the root....I am looking |
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| 19:05.38 | The_Plumber | :-) |
| 19:05.54 | cornernote | i am trying to setup a samba server... i installed samba and set "security = user" ... no other changes... i can see the pc on the workgroup but i cant login to it |
| 19:05.58 | shwag | how do I get info or a description of a package before I install it with apt-get ? |
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| 19:06.01 | lindenle | thnee: --root=dir in dpkg and --not-root take a look at the man page |
| 19:06.03 | The_Plumber | well, you could run some of my gcc programs, they crush the machine all the same |
| 19:06.10 | thnee | lindenle: allright, thanks alot |
| 19:06.17 | jjazz | cornernote: you have to add users to samba |
| 19:06.42 | cornernote | thanks jjazz, can you tell me how to do that ? |
| 19:06.50 | cornernote | i thought it worked on the debian users |
| 19:06.51 | lindenle | thnee: Usually i just build from source if it is just for me...but I can see that it could be a problem if there are lots of dependencies |
| 19:07.04 | thnee | lindenle: exactly |
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| 19:07.40 | jjazz | cornernote: samba maintains it's own list of users that can log in. google can tell you how to do it. |
| 19:08.07 | jjazz | cornernote: And you need to create some samba shares |
| 19:08.22 | cornernote | ok jjazz.. thanks for the tip.. i'll check it out |
| 19:08.25 | jjazz | np |
| 19:08.41 | mnuhmnuh | shwag: aptitude show blah |
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| 19:08.52 | neutral | can anyone access http://neutral.b0x.ro/ ? |
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| 19:10.41 | speyer | hi all |
| 19:10.46 | cornernote | jjazz: can i just make it use the debian user/pass ? |
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| 19:10.55 | cornernote | that would be easier |
| 19:11.05 | speyer | is this the only line i have to add in my fstab to be able to mount the hdd auto at boot ? /dev/hdh1 /media/Hard2 ext3 user,auto 0 0 ? |
| 19:11.06 | jjazz | cornernote: I don't believe so. |
| 19:11.11 | mnuhmnuh | neutral: 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 19:11.45 | speyer | do i need to enter any other option for in fstab to that line to work ? |
| 19:12.22 | cornernote | jjazz: i see, its your debian user, with a samba password |
| 19:12.27 | cornernote | cool |
| 19:12.30 | jjazz | ya |
| 19:12.52 | cornernote | jjazz: what if i want no security ? |
| 19:12.56 | neutral | mnuhmnuh: ... I didn't ask for *ping* |
| 19:13.02 | jjazz | cornernote: run windows |
| 19:13.04 | maddash | speyer: why don't you try it? make sure you backed up fstab first. |
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| 19:13.12 | cornernote | jjazz: haha |
| 19:13.12 | mnuhmnuh | speyer: Try it. Put the line in fstab, then "mount /media/Hard2" |
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| 19:13.33 | jjazz | cornernote: There might be a no password optionin there somewhere, but I'm not sure. |
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| 19:14.22 | mnuhmnuh | neutral: http works. ping doesn't. |
| 19:14.46 | neutral | yes I know ping doesn't. I've made it that way |
| 19:15.46 | speyer | mnuhmnuh , maddash thanks |
| 19:15.59 | mnuhmnuh | speyer: np |
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| 19:16.58 | truenicoco | does someone have a fully functionnal "extract here" script for konqueror ? |
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| 19:17.23 | truenicoco | mine shows up on some rar archives, but not all of them |
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| 19:18.08 | speyer | hmm i cannot delete anything from my mounted hhd even if i put rw in the fstab option ;( |
| 19:18.23 | speyer | /dev/hdh1 /media/Hard2 ext3 user,auto,rw 0 0 |
| 19:18.38 | speyer | is there anything else i need to add to this line to have write permission ? |
| 19:18.59 | abraxxa | bye! |
| 19:19.10 | blondie | speyer: not even as root? |
| 19:19.13 | abraxxa | geo-rge: pureftpd with tls runs |
| 19:19.14 | petemc | speyer: you assing permissions with chown/chmod |
| 19:19.14 | abraxxa | ;-) |
| 19:19.16 | mnuhmnuh | speyer: nope. should work. |
| 19:19.18 | valdyn | speyer: as a user or generally? |
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| 19:19.20 | petemc | erm, assign |
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| 19:19.23 | petemc | not assing |
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| 19:22.20 | gbw_ | hello, i have just bought a brand new 80 gb unformated hdd, i have plugged it into my usb device, i want to clone my old 40 gb hdd to the new one, how can i do it? |
| 19:22.42 | maddash | gbw_: dd |
| 19:23.40 | speyer | valdyn i want it as a user |
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| 19:23.57 | speyer | valdyn the only user i use to login |
| 19:24.05 | valdyn | speyer: why should you be able to write to it as a user? |
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| 19:24.20 | speyer | valdyn why not ? |
| 19:24.31 | valdyn | !wikifaq speyer Permissions |
| 19:24.31 | dpkg | speyer: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:24.37 | mnuhmnuh | gbw_: fdisk && mkfs && ... |
| 19:24.39 | speyer | valdyn its a hdd with stuff on it there is nothing that can happen |
| 19:25.14 | valdyn | speyer: the 'user' in fstab permits users to mount it, nothing else |
| 19:25.40 | speyer | valdyn ok and the rw should le user who mount it do have write access |
| 19:25.46 | speyer | let |
| 19:25.49 | valdyn | speyer: nope |
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| 19:25.59 | speyer | what rw for then ? |
| 19:26.29 | valdyn | speyer: you need to understand permissions - read what dpkg said |
| 19:26.42 | mnuhmnuh | speyer: for mounting the disk rw. has nothing to do with who *owns* the contents. |
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| 19:27.01 | speyer | valdyn rw its what i need in fstab |
| 19:27.19 | speyer | at least thats what i found on the net about fstab rw option |
| 19:27.24 | valdyn | speyer: no you dont need that, its the default |
| 19:28.17 | speyer | valdyn and i also made chown and chmod 777 for the mount destination /media/Hard2 |
| 19:28.34 | speyer | and i still dont have write permission :) |
| 19:28.43 | valdyn | speyer: the mount destination doesnt help you when the disk is not mounted |
| 19:28.59 | speyer | valdyn the disk it is mounted |
| 19:29.17 | valdyn | speyer: ls -l /media/Hard2 |
| 19:29.20 | Ny-Ty | please |
| 19:29.23 | Ny-Ty | i need table of chars |
| 19:29.31 | Ny-Ty | table of chars deb package |
| 19:29.36 | Ny-Ty | anyoe know it`s name ? |
| 19:29.37 | speyer | valdyn all root :( |
| 19:30.13 | valdyn | speyer: just paste the goddamn output of ls -l /mnt/Hard2 |
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| 19:30.31 | valdyn | speyer: chmod never ever changed the OWNER fyi |
| 19:30.51 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: wtf is a table of chars? |
| 19:30.58 | speyer | valdyn http://pastebin.ca/318800 |
| 19:31.07 | FreeMascots | have cc in here ????? |
| 19:31.09 | mnuhmnuh | Ny-Ty: man ascii ? |
| 19:31.15 | Ny-Ty | table of chars |
| 19:31.18 | Ny-Ty | as in windows :D |
| 19:31.22 | Ny-Ty | i dont like windows |
| 19:31.26 | Ny-Ty | i know there is one software |
| 19:31.35 | Ny-Ty | i need to get char (ohm) |
| 19:31.45 | Ny-Ty | and pi (3.14..) |
| 19:31.46 | valdyn | speyer: ok, tells me enough, but for your enlightenment, paste the output of 'ls -ld /mnt/Hard2' |
| 19:31.48 | Ny-Ty | sigma |
| 19:31.52 | Ny-Ty | delta etc.. |
| 19:31.57 | Ny-Ty | in what soft i can get it |
| 19:32.02 | Ny-Ty | charmap |
| 19:32.05 | speyer | valdyn huh ? |
| 19:32.09 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 19:32.24 | speyer | valdyn so no more help ? |
| 19:32.26 | valdyn | speyer: just do it.. |
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| 19:32.31 | speyer | valdyn do whatttt ? |
| 19:32.32 | mnuhmnuh | FreeMascots: gcc ? |
| 19:32.36 | FreeMascots | what news game now??? |
| 19:32.42 | valdyn | speyer: paste the output of 'ls -ld /mnt/Hard2' |
| 19:32.45 | speyer | i did |
| 19:32.49 | speyer | <speyer> valdyn http://pastebin.ca/318800 |
| 19:32.49 | speyer | <FreeMascots> have cc in here ????? |
| 19:32.54 | speyer | <speyer> valdyn http://pastebin.ca/318800 |
| 19:33.02 | FreeMascots | yes |
| 19:33.07 | valdyn | speyer: you didnt, that was ls -l, not ls -ld |
| 19:33.10 | FreeMascots | I need cc |
| 19:33.15 | FreeMascots | now |
| 19:33.19 | Ny-Ty | gucharmap |
| 19:33.22 | speyer | valdyn drwxrwxrwx 6 thug root 4096 2007-01-16 19:09 /media/Hard2 |
| 19:33.23 | Ny-Ty | is it |
| 19:34.05 | valdyn | speyer: ok, you should be able to write in there, but what you cant is delete what's in there? |
| 19:34.23 | speyer | valdyn right |
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| 19:34.43 | mnuhmnuh | FreeMascots: "which cc" here says /usr/bin/cc which points to /etc/alternatives |
| 19:34.46 | valdyn | speyer: what's the stuff in there? just data? |
| 19:34.49 | valdyn | speyer: or a backup? |
| 19:34.58 | valdyn | speyer: i dont want to mess up your data.. |
| 19:35.10 | valdyn | speyer: want to just delete everything? |
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| 19:35.24 | speyer | valdyn everything can be deleted |
| 19:35.48 | valdyn | speyer: delete what's there as root, you can freely create and delete new stuff as user |
| 19:36.33 | speyer | valdyn whats the del command for all the directorys in there ? |
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| 19:37.00 | valdyn | speyer: cd /mnt/Hard2; rm -r * |
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| 19:37.56 | valdyn | speyer: take the time and learn about permissions, see the link that dpkg pasted above, its well worth those 5 minutes |
| 19:38.19 | speyer | valdyn ok , thanks a lot |
| 19:38.22 | aarkerio | hi! how can I know what packages are in the system? |
| 19:38.33 | jjazz | aarkerio: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 19:38.34 | valdyn | aarkerio: dpkg -l <package> |
| 19:38.52 | mnuhmnuh | aarkerio: dpkg -l | less |
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| 19:38.55 | gigabytes | hello |
| 19:39.01 | aarkerio | thx! |
| 19:39.50 | justin | * with rm -r is almost always a bad idea |
| 19:39.55 | gigabytes | on debian unstable the qt4 library version is 4.2.1 but the latest is 4.2.2. I need a bug fix present in this last version, how can I have the 4.2.2 version on my system? |
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| 19:40.07 | justin | and 'cd /mnt/Hard2; rm -r *' is an even worse idea |
| 19:40.31 | Rprp | Hi, how can i 'replace' a text in 10 files with a other text? (Like CTRL + H in gedit and like mv, etc..) |
| 19:40.34 | valdyn | justin: why is that bad? |
| 19:40.40 | geo-rge | unless rm thinks -i is implied :) |
| 19:40.49 | geo-rge | which by default it doesn't |
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| 19:41.05 | pix3lek | Hello |
| 19:41.06 | justin | valdyn: what happens if /mnt/Hard2 does not exist? |
| 19:41.13 | pix3lek | i must install rapidshare |
| 19:41.14 | valdyn | justin: it exists, we tried |
| 19:41.19 | pix3lek | help me, ok? |
| 19:41.26 | justin | !lart valdyn |
| 19:41.41 | geo-rge | pix3lek: is rapidshare in debian? |
| 19:42.07 | valdyn | justin: i get your point though, hes going to get a typo and reinstall |
| 19:42.20 | geo-rge | if no, the next question is "can you get the source" |
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| 19:42.39 | pix3lek | geo-rge: i dont know :) |
| 19:42.42 | geo-rge | and if that's no, then there's no help other than for you to buy it |
| 19:42.55 | geo-rge | pix3lek: find out |
| 19:43.28 | speyer | i cannot find package eye for gnome what the package full name ? |
| 19:43.46 | justin | speyer: it's eye of gnome |
| 19:43.50 | valdyn | speyer: eye of gnome is eog |
| 19:44.07 | justin | isn't eog still very useless compared to gqview? |
| 19:44.18 | geo-rge | is there eye of kde? |
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| 19:44.34 | geo-rge | howbout eye of fvwm2?! |
| 19:44.40 | speyer | thank you |
| 19:44.59 | roe | du -s * |sort will sort my output ascending based on the first number not based on size so 40M appears before 5K how do I sort the output based on size? |
| 19:45.03 | geo-rge | justin: sounds subjective to me :) |
| 19:45.21 | geo-rge | roe: man sou |
| 19:45.21 | maddash | !gqview |
| 19:45.23 | geo-rge | err |
| 19:45.23 | Guerin | justin: the whole point of *gnome* is that they're feature-free |
| 19:45.26 | geo-rge | roe: man sort |
| 19:45.32 | Guerin | justin: because it's `easier' that way |
| 19:45.49 | geo-rge | X is feature-free... |
| 19:46.06 | geo-rge | that doesn't make it easy :) |
| 19:46.25 | Guerin | roe: du -sk --max-depth 1 |sort [-n] is a way of listing all the dirs in . by size |
| 19:46.33 | Guerin | roe: add --all if you want files as well |
| 19:46.51 | Guerin | X isn't feature-free, it's plenty featureful |
| 19:46.59 | Guerin | and aside from anyting it's not gnome |
| 19:47.04 | geo-rge | well visible features |
| 19:47.53 | Guerin | ... |
| 19:48.02 | geo-rge | wouldn't gnome or anything running on X inherit these features? |
| 19:48.25 | Guerin | no |
| 19:49.03 | Guerin | but a good attempt to subvert the meaning of `features' from how I originally used it |
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| 19:49.11 | cornernote | i have a box with 1 ide hdd... i added a sata as a secondary and now it wont boot |
| 19:49.38 | cornernote | it says: nounting root filesystem, i/o resource not available, waiting for root filesystem |
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| 19:50.00 | cornernote | i tried different sata ports, but nothing seems to help |
| 19:50.04 | chrom | hi all |
| 19:50.13 | cornernote | hi chrom |
| 19:50.22 | chrom | I'm here to help if I can |
| 19:50.27 | cornernote | i made sure they have the right boot order in bios |
| 19:50.40 | cornernote | dont know what to check next |
| 19:51.08 | Guerin | cornernote: new motherboard? |
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| 19:51.20 | geo-rge | Guerin: ok, what did you mean by features originally, and what did you mean wrt X? |
| 19:51.39 | cornernote | Guerin: new everything... i only installed debian 2 days ago |
| 19:51.58 | roe | cornernote: using grub or lilo? |
| 19:52.02 | geo-rge | cornernote: if you take the drive off, does it boot again? |
| 19:52.02 | cornernote | grub |
| 19:52.11 | cornernote | geo-rge: yep |
| 19:52.44 | Guerin | geo-rge: `can do lots of useful things' |
| 19:52.54 | EightEleven | cornernote: can you boot from bootable cd? |
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| 19:53.07 | EightEleven | with both drives connected? |
| 19:53.12 | Guerin | cornernote: i suspect your mobo controller isn't functional under linux |
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| 19:53.39 | cornernote | Guerin: dont say that :( |
| 19:53.43 | niles | hi |
| 19:53.46 | cornernote | anything but that |
| 19:53.50 | niles | i typed k3b at the command line, and all of a sudden i get an error of k3b: cannot connect to X server |
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| 19:54.05 | jozan | cornernote, what motherboard is it? |
| 19:54.09 | chrom | niles: are you trying to run k3b as root? |
| 19:54.12 | niles | no |
| 19:54.18 | geo-rge | Guerin: so featureless in your original message (as wrt gnome) means what? cannot do anything useful? (that can't be right) |
| 19:54.21 | Guerin | cornernote: well, it may require a different kernel |
| 19:54.31 | chrom | are you in kde? |
| 19:54.31 | EightEleven | Cornernote: I usually use a bootable cd to check if my hardware works. |
| 19:55.07 | niles | chrom of course |
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| 19:55.08 | Guerin | geo-rge: can't do *much* useful. As in `fails to give the user options' |
| 19:55.09 | geo-rge | ahh, ok. |
| 19:55.09 | chrom | why of course? you could be in openbox, fluxbox, gnome, enlightenment, xfce... |
| 19:55.11 | geo-rge | do you think that's a good thing yourself? |
| 19:55.11 | niles | ok |
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| 19:55.18 | chrom | anyway, open a terminal window |
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| 19:55.22 | Guerin | geo-rge: clearly not. |
| 19:55.25 | niles | chrom, ok in |
| 19:55.34 | niles | im logged in as myself |
| 19:55.36 | chrom | try whoami |
| 19:55.43 | niles | it's jerware |
| 19:55.45 | niles | being me |
| 19:55.46 | chrom | jsut to be sure you are yourself |
| 19:55.48 | niles | not root |
| 19:55.51 | niles | k |
| 19:55.57 | roxy_ | I am using testing on amd64. Is there a way to get jmf(java media framework) working ? |
| 19:56.04 | Guerin | roxy_: ask sun |
| 19:56.14 | niles | btw, where would it be under K menu (lower left corner, like start button in windows) |
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| 19:56.28 | Guerin | niles: in `media' |
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| 19:56.38 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 19:56.59 | geo-rge | Guerin: so what was their intent originally? to make something that is easy thru its lack of adjustments? |
| 19:57.03 | chrom | niles: in multimedia under KDE menu |
| 19:57.15 | niles | ok im getting the splash screen |
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| 19:57.36 | niles | ahh it's loading now. good enuff. thanx for your time chrom |
| 19:57.44 | chrom | niles: no problem |
| 19:58.32 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes; to prevent `ui confusion' by removing all non-essential options |
| 19:59.02 | geo-rge | Guerin: and so this is how they fail to inherit useful features of X itself |
| 19:59.12 | Guerin | geo-rge: such as the fact that the otherwise-excellent evince has no options to view source, meta-info or such of a pdf, despite the underlying libraries having that capability |
| 19:59.24 | Guerin | geo-rge: no, because these are not features of X i'm talking about |
| 19:59.25 | quique- | hello |
| 19:59.35 | chrom | hi quique- |
| 19:59.54 | geo-rge | ok... hold that thought... gotta take a mad dash to the pharmacy |
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| 20:01.38 | cornernote | Guerin: you mean a custom kernel ? |
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| 20:02.05 | cornernote | when it boots normally, it complains about not knowing about the hdd and having to check it from the bios |
| 20:02.19 | jozan | cornernote, did you give up? I'd try taking the jumpers out of the sata drive, if you're resorting to voodoo |
| 20:02.44 | cornernote | i'll try |
| 20:03.10 | Guerin | cornernote: not necessarily. |
| 20:03.31 | Guerin | cornernote: did you answer the question as to which mobo chipset? |
| 20:03.43 | Guerin | this isn't core duo by any chance? |
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| 20:04.23 | cornernote | the jumpers are just for speed limits |
| 20:04.37 | cornernote | Guerin: no, not dual core |
| 20:04.52 | cornernote | on the book it says its a gigabyte lga775 |
| 20:04.59 | jozan | I mean the one indicating master/slave etc |
| 20:05.13 | cornernote | on the ide ? |
| 20:05.19 | jozan | sata |
| 20:05.27 | cornernote | there is none |
| 20:05.40 | cornernote | sata master/slave goes off the port is plugged into |
| 20:05.48 | jozan | huh. mine had one. until I removed it, the system took about 5 minutes detecting HDs |
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| 20:06.53 | cornernote | board is ga-81945gmf |
| 20:07.18 | tarzeau | abrotman!!! what do you think of this song? http://oquanda.googlepages.com/spurenimeis.mp3 |
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| 20:09.21 | GreenCult | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: at work .. |
| 20:09.52 | Ronin | abrotman: perfect time to play it then :) |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:12.18 | cornernote | Guerin: do you think it could be something to do with the ide being old and not supported by my kernel ? |
| 20:13.00 | cornernote | it tells me on boot (with just the ide in there) that it has to probe the bios for the hdd |
| 20:13.31 | shwag | !tripwire |
| 20:13.31 | dpkg | hmm... tripwire is a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see http://www.tripwire.org/ and for CVS instructions see http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3130 |
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| 20:13.49 | Guerin | cornernote: i don't think there's such a thing as `ide not supported by the kernel' |
| 20:13.52 | shwag | so is open source tripwire the way to go, or AIDE ? |
| 20:14.15 | Guerin | shwag: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be deploying an IDS. |
| 20:14.44 | shwag | Guerin: If I knew how to deploy it, I wouldnt have to ask. |
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| 20:15.45 | Guerin | shwag: this is the point: intrusion detection systems are complex and dangerous. You need to do all your own research, and not accept the word of other people, because if you deploy the wrong thing, or deploy something incorrectly, you can and probably will Fuck Things Up Badly. |
| 20:15.59 | shwag | Guerin: Just because I dont know which product is better, I shouldnt install them? OOoooOOoook buddy. |
| 20:16.13 | Guerin | shwag: `better' is a meaninglyss concept here. |
| 20:16.28 | shwag | Guerin: whats the difference ? |
| 20:16.42 | Guerin | shwag: i haven't used AIDE, whatever that is. |
| 20:17.07 | shwag | Guerin: so basically you were acting like an authority when you dont have any answers either. |
| 20:17.28 | Guerin | shwag: not at all; I'm just saying you should know which end of the gun to point where before you start firing it. |
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| 20:18.17 | shwag | Guerin: i really dont think installing a IDS is lethal. I just wanted to talk to those who have walked the path before me. |
| 20:18.24 | Guerin | shwag: I suggest you pick one which is in debian, research its capabilities thoroughly, and enable them selectively, one by one. |
| 20:18.47 | cornernote | Guerin: this is what it says "hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC882, trying auto-probe from BIOS..." |
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| 20:20.05 | Guerin | shwag: then you're in the wrong channel. And no, it won't be lethal, but it could, for instance, massively increase your network usage; interfere with legitimate users and services, send hundreds of emails per day to root@, etc... |
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| 20:20.07 | rahul | and it could have buffer overflows :) |
| 20:20.07 | shwag | Guerin: oh sorry, I thought this was the place were we talk about software included in debian. |
| 20:20.19 | rahul | shwag: no, this is a place where we talk about debian |
| 20:20.27 | Guerin | shwag: generally it is, but what you're asking about is quite specialised, you'll probably have better luck elsewhere. |
| 20:20.35 | rahul | shwag: debian includes perl. do people come here asking questions about perl programming? |
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| 20:20.57 | Guerin | shwag: #debian is mostly for debian-specific stuff, but we let common stuff slide. |
| 20:21.23 | blondie | ideas why I can't connect to a vpn server (using pptp, etch); works fine on one machine on the lan but not another... no error messages... here's comparisons of the two machines' logs: http://pastebin.ca/318862 |
| 20:21.23 | cornernote | Guerin: do you have any suggestions for things to try ? or should i just not boot from an ide and have a slave sata ? |
| 20:21.31 | Guerin | shwag: my point, though, is that your question shows you haven't done enough research yet for the discussion to be meaningful. |
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| 20:21.56 | Guerin | cornernote: if that works, that'd be my advice. Is it a brand-new mobo (like, last month or few)? |
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| 20:22.33 | cornernote | Guerin: the board itself is at least 6-8 months old |
| 20:22.50 | Guerin | cornernote: ok, so it seems unlikely to be a kernel-newness issue. |
| 20:23.10 | mage__ | huh corrupted mac on input |
| 20:23.50 | cornernote | i dont know if it will work the other way around... but i cant use the sata for boot... its a 750gb and it has ntfs... i cant erase it cos its too full |
| 20:24.02 | cornernote | its my household file-store |
| 20:24.08 | Guerin | cornernote: i bet *I* could erase it ;) |
| 20:24.14 | cornernote | ;) |
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| 20:24.54 | blondie | abrotman: can you make it work? :( |
| 20:24.58 | cornernote | so the alternitive is to put it back in my xp box... but i dont have room... thats why i was hoping this would work |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | blondie: ? |
| 20:25.08 | shwag | Guerin: well since neither of us know much about either product...thats what makes the conversation less meaningful. On the otherhand, if you knew something about IDS, you would be able to help me. |
| 20:25.19 | maddash | !define FTW |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | !ftw |
| 20:25.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftw is fuck the world |
| 20:25.30 | abrotman | sounds right |
| 20:25.31 | blondie | abrotman: my vpn :'( |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | moment |
| 20:25.47 | smimp | for the win? |
| 20:25.50 | Guerin | shwag: well, I do know a little, but YOU have to decide what's right for YOU. I already told you how to go about doing this. |
| 20:25.59 | Guerin | !ftw is also For The Win |
| 20:25.59 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 20:26.47 | jeffg_work | blondie: are you bringing up the tunnel on saturn, then trying with deimos? if so, what happens if you down the tunnel on saturn and try deimos first? |
| 20:26.56 | cornernote | i just dont understand why linux wont mount the root filesystem that is right there if the sata is there too |
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| 20:27.40 | mikearthur | where can I find the list of official debian repositries? |
| 20:27.41 | Guerin | cornernote: could be a bios thing? are there irq settings and such? try booting with noapic/nolapic, etc. |
| 20:27.49 | Guerin | mikearthur: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:27.52 | mikearthur | cheers |
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| 20:28.45 | mage__ | can i just specify root=/dev/md0 and then the kernel figures that out based on some partitioned with a type of Linux Raid automount? |
| 20:28.48 | staticxsource | has anyone played around with ssh in here? |
| 20:28.51 | blondie | jeffg_work: no, but my router is happy with multiple vpn connections anyway |
| 20:28.57 | gcbirzan | staticxsource: No. But you can ask anyway. |
| 20:29.14 | mage__ | staticxsource: I'd never play with ssh, i always take it seriously |
| 20:29.24 | blondie | (deimos is the router... it uses ppp to connect via adsl modem, i dont know if that is confusing it at all) |
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| 20:30.23 | jeffg_work | blondie: not at all confusing... meaning pppoe for your main connection? |
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| 20:30.42 | blondie | yes |
| 20:30.47 | staticxsource | i can connect to ssh using localhost, so now i wanna try external connections, so i type in my external ip address from and i keep getting 'Connection Refused', and yes i have placed a rule in my router firewall |
| 20:31.10 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 20:31.10 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 20:31.59 | staticxsource | well the ssh server is defintely running |
| 20:32.11 | jeffg_work | blondie: kernel version on deimos? |
| 20:32.13 | SexyKen | Hey guys, if I have a server with 2 drives and I want to setup mirroring using raid, but I only have 1 of the drives available right now, is it possible to add the second later and have it configured now o rno |
| 20:32.17 | blondie | 2.6.16 |
| 20:32.43 | jeffg_work | blondie: is that etch? |
| 20:32.46 | blondie | yes |
| 20:32.56 | raf256 | how to use extra keys on my 8 button mouse (ps/2) ? |
| 20:33.08 | blondie | grow three extra fingers? |
| 20:33.21 | blondie | (dunno, sory) |
| 20:33.25 | blondie | +r |
| 20:33.43 | raf256 | blondie: ... |
| 20:33.45 | mage__ | SexyKen: what tool are you going to use to create the array? |
| 20:33.51 | blondie | raf256: joke. |
| 20:34.18 | raf256 | ok anyone know how to setup kernel/xorg/kde to use additional mouse buttons? |
| 20:34.26 | mage__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.39 | SexyKen | mage__ it's hardware based array |
| 20:34.46 | SexyKen | Using supermicro server with a zcr card |
| 20:35.17 | mage__ | fun |
| 20:35.35 | cornernote | Guerin: the dmesg of the error with both drives in is "I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free." |
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| 20:35.55 | h3sp4wn | raf256: you can either mess around with Option "ZAxisMapping" in xorg.conf or true to use evdev |
| 20:35.55 | cornernote | i am googling and have found a few people with sata cd drives having the same issue |
| 20:35.56 | Guerin | cornernote: it seems like one or other can be in use at any time |
| 20:36.08 | mage__ | I chose software raid over hardware raid as I can then just move drives around and not worry about the controller dying |
| 20:36.09 | h3sp4wn | raf256: try to use evdev sorry |
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| 20:37.30 | cornernote | Guerin, i found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=340897 .. he said he did something to the ioports |
| 20:37.34 | cornernote | how do i do that ? |
| 20:37.44 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: what is evdev? user program? xorg option? |
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| 20:38.18 | mage__ | is there a way I can move the boundaries of a partition in fdisk without deleting it? |
| 20:38.52 | Flimzy | mage__: No... but if you create it with the same start point, it's the same thing. |
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| 20:39.13 | staticxsource_ | how do i shutdown sshd |
| 20:39.35 | Flimzy | staticxsource: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 20:39.45 | mage__ | kill it? oh wait this is debian, /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 20:39.57 | h3sp4wn | raf256: its an alternative to imps2 or explorer in xorg.conf (I have never used it) |
| 20:40.11 | Skaag | lindenle: thanks for the NFS tip about bg |
| 20:40.15 | Skaag | lindenle: sorry for the late response |
| 20:40.25 | staticxsource_ | how do u start it, as i was using /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 20:40.44 | lindenle | Skaag: no problem did it work? |
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| 20:40.54 | amphi | staticxsource_: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:41.00 | raf256 | xev shows that most extra keys are not at all detected. how to fix it? something in xorg config? |
| 20:41.08 | h3sp4wn | raf256: otherwise you need to work out which is the scroll wheel (usually uses 2 z axis buttons) |
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| 20:41.44 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: xev shows me that only one extra key works (sends events) in addition to whell up, down and 3 buttons |
| 20:41.54 | mage__ | someone should probably mention how to make it autostart |
| 20:41.58 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: I should change the mouse driver/protocol in xorg then? |
| 20:42.05 | mage__ | !autostart |
| 20:42.05 | h3sp4wn | raf256: I have told you what you need to look at |
| 20:42.15 | h3sp4wn | Option "ZAxisMapping" |
| 20:42.22 | raf256 | k |
| 20:42.51 | blondie | grrr, why might I be gettingL |
| 20:42.53 | blondie | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/Sources.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 20:42.56 | blondie | when I apt-get update? |
| 20:43.02 | h3sp4wn | Option "Buttons" and Option "Resolution" maybe also |
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| 20:46.09 | cornernote | Guerin: could it be beacuse the sata is being loaded too soon... is the fstab like automated depending on what you plug in ? |
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| 20:51.38 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a trick how to tell `convmv` to stay on the file system? |
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| 20:52.44 | zorton | will this work? 'dpkg --get_selections > selections_list' ... later on another machine after basic install ... 'cat slections_list | dpkg --set-selections; aptitude' |
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| 20:54.33 | h3sp4wn | zorton: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 20:54.43 | zorton | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 20:55.22 | zorton | so apt-get dselect-upgrade is required and I can't use aptitude |
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| 20:56.31 | Genre9mp3 | Hallo!.. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to linux, I tried to installed gedit but I got this: http://www.pastebin.ca/318895 , is there something I can try? Thanks in advance |
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| 20:56.51 | Zambezi | Is it possible to install the latest rtorrent on Debian Sarge? |
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| 20:57.06 | azeem | Zambezi: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:57.32 | PeterC | I've just turned my Windows XP system into a Debian system. Debian is installed on a fresh SATA drive while XP is still on the old PATA. How could I simply transfer my XP over to my SATA and make a dual boot? |
| 20:57.47 | Zambezi | azeem, I'm not running it yet. My computer won't install Ubuntu, so I got to try Sarge. |
| 20:57.48 | azeem | PeterC: maybe look into partimage |
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| 20:58.02 | azeem | Zambezi: uh, sorry |
| 20:58.05 | azeem | wrong nick |
| 20:58.10 | Bagoor | what wheel login detail means ? |
| 20:58.11 | cornernote | got it!.. its something to do with the sata to ide mapping stuff in the bios |
| 20:58.12 | azeem | Genre9mp3: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:58.26 | cornernote | now it boots from the ide and i can still see the sata |
| 20:58.26 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: 3.1 if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:58.26 | azeem | Zambezi: what do you mean with latest rtorrent? |
| 20:58.47 | azeem | Genre9mp3: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say as version? |
| 20:58.52 | Zambezi | azeem, 0.7.1 is the latest. |
| 20:59.10 | azeem | Zambezi: any particular reason you need that version? |
| 20:59.13 | Zambezi | azeem, And I want that version. It's very nice and worked fine. |
| 20:59.26 | azeem | 0.6.4 is ugly? |
| 20:59.27 | Zambezi | azeem, Yeah it is. |
| 20:59.36 | azeem | Zambezi: well, I don't know whether it would work on sarge, sorry |
| 20:59.39 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:59.53 | Zambezi | azeem, No, but 0.7.x come with encryption. |
| 20:59.58 | azeem | Zambezi: I see |
| 21:00.08 | PeterC | azeem: It says that partimage only supports NTFS experimental. Do you know how well it works? |
| 21:00.12 | azeem | Genre9mp3: that's at least 4.0beta |
| 21:00.18 | azeem | PeterC: uh, sorry |
| 21:00.25 | abrotman | Zambezi: look at backports.org |
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| 21:00.41 | azeem | abrotman: 0.7 isn't in testing/unstable either |
| 21:00.45 | azeem | so I doubt it's on backports |
| 21:00.49 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: well, as I said I'm a complete newbie into this :) |
| 21:01.00 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: is there something I can do about it? |
| 21:01.05 | azeem | Genre9mp3: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:01.08 | PeterC | azeem: Any experience with ghost4linux? |
| 21:01.11 | azeem | does it say testing/etch or sid/unstable |
| 21:01.25 | azeem | PeterC: no, sorry; but something else than partimage is better then I guess |
| 21:01.50 | Zambezi | I'm so pissed now. I tried to install Ubuntu on three different harddrives with different DVD and different CDs. So I think there's something else wrong. |
| 21:02.12 | PeterC | azeem: I was thinking that maybe dd would work, but I'm not sure |
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| 21:02.15 | azeem | Zambezi: well, we can't help you much with those Ubuntu issues here |
| 21:02.35 | Zambezi | azeem, I know, but the installer fails. |
| 21:02.46 | abrotman | azeem: ah .. i don't torrent much .. wouldn't know :) |
| 21:02.56 | Zambezi | azeem, And the can't help me either in ubuntuchannel. |
| 21:02.59 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: i GET STABLE MAIN (?) |
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| 21:03.30 | Genre9mp3 | ooops.. sorry for caps |
| 21:04.10 | azeem | Genre9mp3: that's strange |
| 21:04.20 | azeem | Genre9mp3: did you install this yourself? |
| 21:04.47 | Genre9mp3 | no..actually it's a VM image on VMware |
| 21:04.58 | azeem | where did you get it from? |
| 21:04.59 | Genre9mp3 | but I managed to install gedit before |
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| 21:05.19 | azeem | well, you have a 4.0beta system and try to install 3.1 gedit it seems |
| 21:05.32 | azeem | Genre9mp3: run "apt-cache policy gedit" |
| 21:05.38 | azeem | Genre9mp3: and post the output to a pastebin |
| 21:05.40 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 21:05.53 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: ok, give me a moment |
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| 21:06.54 | azeem | Genre9mp3: no hurry |
| 21:06.56 | speyer | how do i make nautilus burn faster ? when i used to burn same dvd`s in windows it was a lot faster |
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| 21:07.06 | cornernote | i want to mount an ntfs as read/write ... i did this in fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt/megabeast ntfs rw,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | you're crazy! |
| 21:07.21 | cornernote | maybe the umask is wrong ? |
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| 21:07.35 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: http://www.pastebin.ca/318910 |
| 21:07.45 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 21:08.12 | Wolfcastle | How can I install debian if the kernel that the installer uses doesn't recognize my dvd-rom? |
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| 21:08.34 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: from the network? |
| 21:08.37 | azeem | Genre9mp3: looking |
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| 21:08.57 | Wolfcastle | tarzeau: Yes of course but I prefer not having to download everything again |
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| 21:09.19 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: network , then your own kernel that recognizes your dvd, then the packages from the dvd? |
| 21:09.35 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: the netboot image and drivers are about 3-10mb |
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| 21:09.56 | concept10 | has anyone seen or know of a GTK+/GNOME application that may change/override its look (theme, border, controls) compared to the theme chosen? |
| 21:10.09 | tarzeau | concept10: xmms? |
| 21:10.20 | Wolfcastle | tarzeau: ok and what packages would that be? |
| 21:10.35 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: what architecture do you have? |
| 21:10.36 | cornernote | ok - googling now... write support on ntfs seems to be pretty new... has anyone had any experience ? |
| 21:10.45 | Wolfcastle | tarzeau: k7 |
| 21:10.52 | cornernote | like good/bad experience |
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| 21:11.02 | tarzeau | cornernote: which ntfs implementation? what ntfs version? |
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| 21:11.22 | cornernote | tarzeau: write support for ntfs |
| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | cornernote: i've had ntfs filesystems still work after i played with them, and some didn't work anymore (none of them were mine) |
| 21:11.32 | azeem | Genre9mp3: try apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 and pastebin the error if any |
| 21:11.34 | cornernote | i dont know which version |
| 21:11.36 | tarzeau | cornernote: yes but.. WHICH? |
| 21:11.52 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: so you want to read the debian installer manual about netboot installations |
| 21:12.21 | Wolfcastle | tarzeau: ok i'll look for it on debian homepage |
| 21:12.22 | cornernote | tarzeau: so basically its not really recommended unless your just playing |
| 21:12.27 | Wolfcastle | tarzeau: thank you |
| 21:12.29 | tarzeau | Wolfcastle: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ or the one for etch or whatever |
| 21:12.30 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.53 | tarzeau | cornernote: it's just not very stable, nobody said about recommended or not |
| 21:12.59 | ozux | hi, I installed Java in my Etch but I can't set my Iceweasel to use JVM. I use :: #ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 21:13.06 | tarzeau | cornernote: it can break your filesystem, if you don't care, go ahead |
| 21:13.20 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: http://www.pastebin.ca/318917 |
| 21:13.36 | cornernote | tarzeau: i have a 750gb filestore that i wanted to put on linux... cant format cos i have no temp storage for it all |
| 21:13.49 | cornernote | oh well.. i guess its back in the xp box :) |
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| 21:14.12 | tarzeau | cornernote: wait, and you have ntfs, 750gb? |
| 21:14.13 | azeem | Genre9mp3: ok, keep on apt-getting those packages it mentions until you hit a different error message |
| 21:14.14 | chris_goe | cornernote, have a look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt, it says write support is still limited, but *safe* now |
| 21:14.44 | krang | How do I set a bunch of iptables rules and ensure they are loaded on system restart under Debian? I know that after using iptables-save in centos the rules stayed. |
| 21:14.45 | Rydekull | !etch |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:14.55 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: will do... thanks for helping me out :) |
| 21:14.55 | mnuhmnuh | cornernote: you don't need write to copy to Linux from NTFS |
| 21:14.57 | Rydekull | !wwer |
| 21:14.57 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 21:15.02 | concept10 | tarzeau, thanks |
| 21:15.27 | chris_goe | cornernote, but for 750GB worth of data you should have backups anyway, so..just format and restore from backups |
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| 21:16.32 | mnuhmnuh | !wir |
| 21:16.32 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:16.52 | mnuhmnuh | !siyh |
| 21:16.52 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 21:17.00 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: again broken packages but this time I got also a conflict: "x11-common: Conflicts: xfree86-common but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3 is to be installed" |
| 21:17.08 | concept10 | what about see you when I see you? |
| 21:17.37 | staticxsource_ | is there any way of testing my router to make sure that the port forwarding actually works? |
| 21:17.56 | azeem | Genre9mp3: you seem to have mixed 3.1/4.0 system |
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| 21:19.19 | netdaemon | i'm having a slight problem with ndiswrapper....sometimes the module wants to load, sometimes it dosnt.... |
| 21:19.34 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: This image has pre-installed a devkit I wanted to work with, it's actually an update to a previous one that I could apt-get without problems |
| 21:19.57 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: Do you recommend me something else besides gedit to try? |
| 21:20.22 | staticxsource_ | could you tell me where ssh login logs are kept please |
| 21:20.22 | azeem | Genre9mp3: try apt-get upgrade |
| 21:20.40 | azeem | Genre9mp3: or aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:21.05 | cornernote | chris_goe: its just 750gb of junk... but 750gb of junk that i'd rather not lose ;) |
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| 21:21.06 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: It seems that this works |
| 21:21.24 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: damn! I tried "update" before... |
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| 21:21.47 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: downloading stuff atm |
| 21:21.54 | cornernote | mnuhmnuh: i dont want to copy to linux from ntfs... i want a drive that i have to be writeable when its running inside a linux box |
| 21:21.58 | deadcat | i am having trouble getting distcc to work.. my desktop is running distccd and allowing the entire network, my server is also running distccd, on the server i run export DISTCC_HOSTS='desktop'; make CC=distcc hoping it would make the desktop do all the work but all its doing is on the server. like the desktop dont even see the request or something. |
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| 21:22.39 | deadcat | distcc[20780] (dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead |
| 21:23.02 | azeem | try to figure out why it failed :) |
| 21:23.05 | mnuhmnuh | cornernote: you want to use Linux to copy NTFS --> new NTFS drive?!? |
| 21:23.12 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:23.34 | cornernote | mnuhmnuh: i want to use linux to share my 750gb drive that happens to be ntfs |
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| 21:23.51 | cornernote | and i want to remove stuff and put new stuff on there too |
| 21:23.59 | mnuhmnuh | cornernote: samba? |
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| 21:24.04 | cornernote | yeah |
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| 21:24.32 | cornernote | it just happens to be a central box with a spare hdd slot |
| 21:24.48 | cornernote | but i'll do it differently |
| 21:24.56 | deadcat | could be my kernels are patched with grsec? |
| 21:25.01 | cornernote | not worth the risk until i'm sure its safe |
| 21:25.40 | azeem | deadcat: or some firewalling? Or maybe you need ssh with public keys setup or something? |
| 21:25.42 | Zeus23 | hi there, with Proftpd is it possible to have symlinks working for users that are locked to homedir?? ex. make a symlink to /etc/test |
| 21:26.08 | azeem | Zeus23: I would say no |
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| 21:26.20 | netdaemon | bah...... |
| 21:26.24 | azeem | I assume proftpd runs chroot |
| 21:26.27 | deadcat | azeem: ok. i'll look into the public keys.. because firewall is off on the desktop |
| 21:26.31 | azeem | Zeus23: but just try it out? |
| 21:26.36 | Zeus23 | azeem: Danm.. |
| 21:26.56 | netdaemon | so...what would cause ndiswrapper module to load whenever the hell it wants, and not all the time =\? |
| 21:26.59 | Zeus23 | azeem: have tried could not get it to work.. |
| 21:27.52 | blondie | oh, vpn works with newer kernel :) |
| 21:28.26 | eldowan | I hear from different places that debian is supposed to be a pain in the ass to do custom installs from sources not in the repo. I thought using fakeroot any source could be made into a debian package installable by dpkg. Is this not the case? |
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| 21:28.52 | azeem | eldowan: it is the case, but it is non-trivial |
| 21:29.01 | justin | eldowan: that is not at all what fakeroot does |
| 21:29.06 | azeem | fakeroot is just a helper tool in here |
| 21:29.44 | eldowan | Ahh. I've only used it once or twice, but it worked flawlessly and easily. azeem: why it is non-trivial? |
| 21:29.59 | azeem | eldowan: how did you use it? |
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| 21:30.04 | Genre9mp3 | oh my... I have no idea what this thing does all this time... unpacking unpacking unpacking... |
| 21:30.17 | eldowan | azeem: building mplayer / mencoder |
| 21:30.25 | azeem | Genre9mp3: it's distribution upgrade, it'll take a while |
| 21:30.39 | azeem | eldowan: "fakeroot mplayer"? |
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| 21:30.58 | eldowan | azeem: something like this: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--disable-runtime-cpudetection --disable-rtc --enable-live --with-livelibdir=/usr/local/lib/live" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 21:31.16 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: ok... just finished, I tried again with gedit, again errors, but this time only 2 |
| 21:31.17 | eldowan | it outputs the .deb file in the parent directory of where it is run. |
| 21:31.21 | azeem | eldowan: this obviously only works if there is a debian/rules fil |
| 21:31.22 | azeem | e |
| 21:31.42 | azeem | eldowan: so you need to write it first for "any source" |
| 21:31.55 | azeem | in the case of mplayer, it is provided by the people who write it I guess |
| 21:31.57 | knt | Is it normal to have a SegFault'ing apt-get? Neither apt-get upgrade, nor apt-get [-f] install works properly. They both give cool segmentation faults. |
| 21:32.09 | eldowan | azeem: Ahh, well then I guess that would explain the ease. I didn't know the debian/rules was a file used in conjunction with the source. |
| 21:32.09 | azeem | eldowan: this is the "non-trivial" part I was talking about |
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| 21:32.51 | azeem | eldowan: all that fakeroot does is calling debian/rules with fake root privileges |
| 21:32.51 | eldowan | azeem: Thanks for the tip. I thought the build options were part of fakeroot and were the equiv of passing cli options to building the source. I'm glad I asked, and know I know. |
| 21:33.08 | azeem | no, debian/rules evaluates DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
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| 21:33.37 | justin | eldowan: maybe you should read the fakeroot man page? :-P |
| 21:33.39 | linux_jones | what the hell is PSM? |
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| 21:34.05 | mnuhmnuh | linux_jones: context please? |
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| 21:34.34 | linux_jones | i tried to check my gmail and it said i need psm to display the page |
| 21:35.34 | linux_jones | personal security manager, so how do i install that? |
| 21:35.35 | eldowan | justin: That would probably help a lot. :D hell, even the fakeroot factoid shed more light than what I knew. |
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| 21:37.09 | mnuhmnuh | linux_jones: mozilla-psm |
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| 21:38.02 | mikearthur | is there not some new replacement for deborphan in later versions of apt? I think I've seen it on ubuntu |
| 21:38.29 | ofer0 | mikearthur, maybe orphaner? it comes with deborphan |
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| 21:39.28 | rahul | mikearthur: aptitude is the replacement for deborphan :) |
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| 21:42.49 | maddash | rahul: not really. |
| 21:43.14 | rahul | if you use aptitude, deborphan is basically obsolete. |
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| 21:43.56 | jelly-home | rahul: only if you do a nice debfoster session before switching to aptitude |
| 21:44.30 | maddash | rahul: **basicall** |
| 21:44.34 | maddash | rahul: **basically** |
| 21:44.35 | jelly-home | rahul: or can you make aptitude itself remove everything but your chosen packages? |
| 21:45.05 | rahul | jelly-home: you can specifically mark packages as automatically instaled |
| 21:45.15 | aib | can you look at this log and give me a guess as to why the permissions and ownership bits are all unset after make install? http://pastebin.ca/318934 |
| 21:45.23 | aib | i have no idea |
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| 21:46.13 | jelly-home | rahul: that's not really it... if I was switching to aptitude now, I'd want to mark all auto, then unmark base + my chosen packages. Is that feasible? |
| 21:46.24 | mnuhmnuh | aib: see line 4 |
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| 21:46.58 | aib | mnuhmnuh, what about it? |
| 21:47.01 | rahul | jelly-home: probably is, if you find it feasible to type or select which packages are your chosen ones :P |
| 21:47.19 | mnuhmnuh | aib: Permission denied |
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| 21:48.03 | deadcat | what module do i need to create /dev/loop* ? |
| 21:48.24 | jelly-home | rahul: of course. How would I mark everything but eg. already installed Priority: standard auto? |
| 21:48.27 | aib | mnuhmnuh, i installed it with make install, so this is my problem. why can't regular users read it? if I do `ls -hall' as root, then the bits are "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root " |
| 21:48.31 | maddash | deadcat: loop |
| 21:48.42 | aib | mnuhmnuh, don't those permissions mead regular users have read access? |
| 21:48.45 | aib | *mean |
| 21:49.04 | rahul | jelly-home: I dunno :P |
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| 21:49.16 | rahul | jelly-home: I ain't no apt haxxor, heh |
| 21:49.18 | Genre9mp3 | argh! |
| 21:49.26 | Genre9mp3 | I give up |
| 21:49.35 | rahul | jelly-home: all those tools use awk and perl and shit. it scares me. |
| 21:49.51 | deadcat | maddash: thanks.. my desktop is set to y and my server is set to m (= |
| 21:49.53 | Genre9mp3 | I'll return to my previous installation and try to update myself to svn.... |
| 21:49.57 | azeem | Genre9mp3: did you run apt-get upgrade or what? |
| 21:49.57 | jelly-home | rahul: I'm ok with awk and perl and shit... but this is python, mon |
| 21:50.08 | rahul | jelly-home: eh, same shit :P |
| 21:50.31 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: yes... and after that it asks me to install libgnomeui but it returns error |
| 21:50.40 | rahul | jelly-home: in awk, you just don't have anything to indicate what you're dealing with. in perl and python you have the names, but you don't know which ones you have. |
| 21:51.14 | jelly-home | rahul: uh, I don't get it |
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| 21:51.36 | rahul | jelly-home: in awk it's all $1, $2, and shit |
| 21:51.38 | azeem | Genre9mp3: run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:52.01 | rahul | jelly-home: in perl and python, you have names to index by, but those names aren't enforced, beacuse everything is a hashtable |
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| 21:52.06 | jelly-home | rahul: awk has variables too, btw |
| 21:52.31 | rahul | jelly-home: but not structures. those are the records, and you index numerically into them |
| 21:52.47 | jelly-home | rahul: yah well, know thy data |
| 21:52.52 | rahul | heh. |
| 21:52.59 | rahul | and change all the code when that data changes |
| 21:53.05 | jelly-home | course! |
| 21:53.08 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: apt-get -f dist-upgrade only works |
| 21:53.20 | azeem | what do you mean? |
| 21:53.21 | war | With thunderbird, if i am using procmail is there anyway to make the mail go to Inbox rather than ./Mailbox? If I change procmailrc, it does not fix it. |
| 21:53.36 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: It asked me to use -f |
| 21:53.36 | justin | war: .procmailrc |
| 21:53.45 | azeem | hrm |
| 21:53.54 | azeem | Genre9mp3: apt-get -f install rather maybe? |
| 21:54.23 | war | justin, correct but I change it to ./Inbox instead but it doesnt pop up in Inbox for thunderbird |
| 21:55.10 | azeem | war: change what? |
| 21:55.19 | war | I want my email in thunderbird to go to the Inbox |
| 21:55.21 | war | instead of Mailbox |
| 21:55.22 | azeem | I use DEFAULT=Inbox |
| 21:55.30 | lindenle | war: could you just write a default rule to put it in Inbox |
| 21:55.36 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: Yes, I've already tried this... I now have the feeling that my image is a complete mess :( |
| 21:55.42 | azeem | war: you said "if I change it" |
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| 21:55.49 | azeem | Genre9mp3: and what happenedß |
| 21:55.51 | azeem | ? |
| 21:55.53 | g333k_work | hi, I wan to install debian on a old ibm thinkpad 770 laptop that has cd-rom drive and not has diskette drive... The laptop doesnt boot from cd... so I want to update de Bios, I already have the img file here but it is for a diskette, is there a way to update the bios without using diskette? |
| 21:55.57 | war | azeem: oo, sec |
| 21:56.07 | lindenle | war: :0 c |
| 21:56.14 | lindenle | Inbox |
| 21:56.16 | war | hm still no luck |
| 21:56.29 | g333k_work | want* |
| 21:56.29 | azeem | g333k_work: I guess not |
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| 21:57.28 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: again... installing packages atm... |
| 21:57.29 | war | I am using pine's imapd |
| 21:57.38 | azeem | Genre9mp3: that's fine |
| 21:58.03 | azeem | Genre9mp3: run "apt-get -f install" again afterwards, and if it doesn't do anything anymore, run "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:59.02 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: ok, thanks again |
| 21:59.10 | krang | So does anyone have a recommendation on how to run a persistent iptables ruleset? So far, I was thinking of putting "iptables-restore <filename>" as a script into runlevels 2,3 and 4. Is that a good idea? |
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| 22:00.20 | Wolfcastle | hello |
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| 22:00.34 | Wolfcastle | can anyone please point me to the official debian mirrors? I can't find them! |
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| 22:01.18 | mnuhmnuh | krang: /etc/network/if-up.d/firewall_script? same with if-down.d/... |
| 22:01.20 | blondie | Wolfcastle: ftp.xx.debian.org |
| 22:01.27 | blondie | where xx = country |
| 22:01.32 | chreekat | If I performed an 'aptitude update; aptitude upgrade' with Debian testing, and afterwards Firefox segfaults and a bunch of gtk apps (gkrellm, gaim, aumix) display unreadable fonts, where should I start looking to find out what happened? |
| 22:01.34 | blondie | !sources.list |
| 22:01.34 | Wolfcastle | blondie: thanx blondie :-) |
| 22:01.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 22:02.00 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:02.22 | Genre9mp3 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:02.56 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 22:02.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:03.10 | krang | mnuhmnuh: Ooh, I didn't know about that dir. Do I just drop any old script in there? |
| 22:03.19 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: "/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-10_i386.deb" |
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| 22:03.46 | azeem | Genre9mp3: ugh |
| 22:03.47 | mnuhmnuh | krang: any old script you want run when the link's up. |
| 22:04.14 | stoned | hahaha krang thats awesome |
| 22:04.15 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: define ugh |
| 22:04.22 | g333k_work | azeem, if I have a internet connection? |
| 22:04.27 | krang | stoned: er, it is? |
| 22:04.34 | j4cbo | how can i disable the hardware autodetect procedure that happens on boot? |
| 22:04.44 | azeem | Genre9mp3: sec, on the phone |
| 22:04.58 | stoned | krang, yah man, ninja turtles! krang! thanks for putting a smile and reminind me of my childhood. Thank you |
| 22:05.03 | j4cbo | i'd like to define all the modules i need (for ethernet and such) in a config file and not have it spend two minutes probing everything |
| 22:05.11 | krang | mnuhmnuh: is it not safer to have it running at all times just in case there's some form of IP activity going on without an interface brought up, or is that just paranoid? |
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| 22:05.26 | krang | stoned: oh yeah, no problem dude :-) |
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| 22:05.39 | krang | stoned: images of the technodrome haunt my dreams |
| 22:05.44 | stoned | lol |
| 22:05.49 | t-c | how can i tell what kind of key an public key is? |
| 22:05.59 | t-c | as in, 1024 bit rsa2, etc |
| 22:06.12 | t-c | i don't have the private key |
| 22:06.30 | mnuhmnuh | krang: there's if-pre-up.d too. :-) |
| 22:06.55 | krang | mnuhmnuh: when is that triggered? |
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| 22:07.09 | t-c | i mean, without just eyeballing it ;) |
| 22:07.18 | j4cbo | anyone? can i prevent hardware autodetect from happening on every boot? |
| 22:07.19 | abrotman | some browsers will tell you |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | j4cbo: if you really want to .. but it's a bad idae |
| 22:07.50 | j4cbo | abrotman: why is it a bad idea? i know exactly what hardware is in this box |
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| 22:08.24 | mnuhmnuh | krang: when whatever it is that brings up the link, brings up the link. |
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| 22:08.37 | abrotman | j4cbo: hotplug hardware ? |
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| 22:08.50 | mike-ekim | how can I change where python interpretor points to, cause i got /usr/bin/python2.3 as default |
| 22:08.57 | mike-ekim | but i want it to point to /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 22:08.57 | krang | mnuhmnuh: ah just *before* rather than during or after. Gotcha. Cheers! |
| 22:09.04 | j4cbo | abrotman: hotplug is different |
| 22:09.05 | mike-ekim | so when applications ./configure, it will pick that up as its path |
| 22:09.17 | abrotman | j4cbo: the same software handles both IIRC |
| 22:09.18 | mnuhmnuh | krang: :-) |
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| 22:09.29 | j4cbo | that's kind of stupid |
| 22:09.30 | dawnfading | anyone gotten the intel x3000 videocard to work with acceleration in xorgs? I got it to work using a generic vesa config but not something anyone wants.. |
| 22:09.34 | krang | does anyone know if there's some equivalent of chkconfig under Debian, or do I have to make rc*.d links myself? |
| 22:09.56 | cappiz | anyone knows which file i need to modified to change when the battery is suposued to charge? |
| 22:09.58 | abrotman | j4cbo: you might want to ask the debian-kernel mailing list |
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| 22:10.40 | mnuhmnuh | krang: update-rc.d see file:///usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/ch-customizing.html |
| 22:10.40 | dawnfading | krang update-rc.d |
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| 22:11.00 | krang | dawnfading, mnuhmnuh : Oh thank goodness for that. Thanks! |
| 22:11.10 | dawnfading | krang yw |
| 22:11.32 | mnuhmnuh | ditto. |
| 22:11.54 | pickcoder | what sets the default file creation permissions for scp and ftp? |
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| 22:12.33 | pickcoder | any files I upload via ftp or copy using scp are created rw-r-- |
| 22:12.49 | mnuhmnuh | pickcoder: umask of the acct. type umask |
| 22:13.02 | peteweez | Does anyone know of a PDF/XPS/Mars PDF alternative other than djvu? |
| 22:13.21 | pickcoder | oh that's right |
| 22:13.22 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 22:13.32 | mnuhmnuh | np |
| 22:14.18 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: I'd honestly suggest just sticking with PDF. |
| 22:15.25 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: I'm not exactly looking for a format to actually use right now...I was just curious what the open community's answer to PDF was...there aren't any free full featured PDF editors out there. |
| 22:16.12 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: oh; almost no one actually writes stuff in PDF. I (FE) use LaTeX; for presentation I use beamer. |
| 22:16.22 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: to view I just use xpdf -fullscreen... |
| 22:16.59 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: But there aren't even any free gui pdf form fillers (pdftk is cli iirc) afaik. |
| 22:17.07 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: beamer? |
| 22:17.17 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: pdftk is both, actually |
| 22:17.37 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: pdftk is gui? |
| 22:17.47 | CyberGabber | How can i display a list of my installed packages witk apt...? |
| 22:17.58 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: I thought it had a tcl/tk frontend |
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| 22:18.11 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 22:18.11 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 22:18.38 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: ah ok...still, why has there not been any open pdf editors...and why haven't there been any truly open e-paper formats? |
| 22:18.53 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: [based on vectors, not rasters] |
| 22:19.11 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: PDF is actually totally open |
| 22:19.18 | abrotman | pdftk doesn't have a frontend IIRC |
| 22:19.20 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: the spec is publicly available |
| 22:19.26 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: I was just kinda curious, is all. The FOSS community has done basically everything else |
| 22:19.43 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: yeah but the editor is proprietary |
| 22:19.49 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: well, a lot of it is really that no one has gotten anoyed enough at it to fix it |
| 22:19.57 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: lol |
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| 22:20.01 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: nah, there loads of things that can edit PDFs |
| 22:20.03 | abrotman | peteweez: i can think of a few other things that FOSS needs :) |
| 22:20.12 | peteweez | abrotman: probably yes |
| 22:20.13 | pickcoder | hm.. that didn't fix the issue |
| 22:20.20 | Mark_Iron | hola senores ;) |
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| 22:20.48 | peteweez | abrotman: a revision of the tar format, maybe...and probably some other things. |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | peteweez: something that can import/export autocad ? |
| 22:21.09 | peteweez | abrotman: qcad? |
| 22:21.21 | abrotman | i don't think it can im/ex |
| 22:21.26 | peteweez | abrotman: but yeah I've looked for that too...funny how I look for things I never will need |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | a friendly faxserver would be nice too :) |
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| 22:22.03 | peteweez | abrotman: more scanner support |
| 22:22.10 | dondelelcaro | no need to revise tar... |
| 22:22.10 | abrotman | qcad says it does DXF |
| 22:22.20 | abrotman | there's xar if you don't like tar :) |
| 22:22.24 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: You know that the entire tar file must be read just to extract the final file |
| 22:22.38 | peteweez | abrotman: ah thanks |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | though i don't think xar is packaged for debian .. it was something related to opendarwin IIRC |
| 22:23.07 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: you can always provide the indexing information into the tarball |
| 22:23.18 | mnuhmnuh | pickcoder: it's the umask of the receiving acct. that's important here. |
| 22:23.20 | peteweez | abrotman: 7z is good, but it doesn't have posix permissions afaik |
| 22:23.25 | abrotman | http://code.google.com/p/xar/ |
| 22:23.28 | azeem | Genre9mp3: sorry |
| 22:23.32 | mnuhmnuh | pickcoder: either that or ftp config. |
| 22:23.36 | streuner | tarzeau: ping |
| 22:23.39 | peteweez | abrotman: yeah I found it...does it have posix permissions> |
| 22:23.40 | peteweez | *? |
| 22:23.41 | pickcoder | mnuhmnuh: I know.. it works fine from shell |
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| 22:23.50 | azeem | Genre9mp3: run apt-get install x11-common and paste the full error message |
| 22:23.51 | pickcoder | umask is set correctly |
| 22:23.57 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: How do you put indexes in? |
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| 22:24.09 | pickcoder | the ftp I'm using is an in.ftp script |
| 22:24.13 | tarzeau | streuner: you can talk directly to me, without the meta-talk |
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| 22:24.21 | dondelelcaro | peteweez: there isn't a standard for them, but there's nothing stoping using one |
| 22:24.23 | pickcoder | so it should be using the umask for the bash_profile |
| 22:24.30 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: true |
| 22:24.43 | streuner | tarzeau: How did you solve that problem (k3b) with users in order that they can write? |
| 22:24.44 | abrotman | peteweez: i'd imagine so .. haven't used it myself .. i know one of the developers .. he used to rave about it :) |
| 22:25.15 | streuner | tarzeau: s/write/burn/ |
| 22:25.22 | mnuhmnuh | pickcoder: or ftp config is overriding shell umask? |
| 22:25.23 | tarzeau | streuner: MANUALLY add the thing in k3bsetup to cdrom group |
| 22:25.30 | tarzeau | streuner: i found NO automatic way to script it |
| 22:25.43 | pickcoder | there is no config for the inetd ftp |
| 22:25.53 | pickcoder | but it's gone now anyway.. I'm installing proftpd |
| 22:25.57 | tarzeau | streuner: because the software is retarded with what it writes into some file |
| 22:26.12 | tarzeau | streuner: not something you can easily generate with some simple scripting |
| 22:26.12 | CyberGabber | dondelelcaro: thanks for tipping about !installed.. |
| 22:26.26 | tarzeau | streuner: if i ever, ever meet a k3b developer real life |
| 22:26.41 | tarzeau | streuner: he better wears a blessed silver dragon scale mail |
| 22:26.43 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: http://www.pastebin.ca/318973 |
| 22:27.13 | azeem | bah |
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| 22:27.20 | azeem | Genre9mp3: then run apt-get -f install again, and record the error |
| 22:27.37 | streuner | tarzeau: ok, thanks. |
| 22:27.56 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: Unfortunately no time left... :( |
| 22:28.10 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: I'll go back to my original image I guess |
| 22:28.27 | peteweez | abrotman: I just compiled xar...it does support posix flags...and it compiles on linux as opposed to mac osx (I know osx is posix, i didn't know it was source-compatible with linux) |
| 22:28.35 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: To install svn, all I need to do is apt-get install subversion , right? |
| 22:28.45 | abrotman | peteweez: time for you to package it! |
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| 22:29.12 | azeem | Genre9mp3: yeah, guess so |
| 22:29.15 | peteweez | abrotman: OK...I admit I'm a n00b...where's your favorite tutorial? And who do I email it to? |
| 22:29.32 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: ok... thank you for all the help and greetings from Greece |
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| 22:29.50 | azeem | Genre9mp3: it's because I love greece |
| 22:30.02 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: :) |
| 22:30.08 | Genre9mp3 | azeem: cheers! |
| 22:30.22 | Vme | I'm trying to mount a drive through a linksys router with NFS, anyone know what ports i need to forward?? |
| 22:30.36 | katabatic | anybody got an idea why on my wired connection it won't get an IP automatically at boot, when I have network-manager installed? if I remove network-manager, it works fine |
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| 22:30.52 | abrotman | peteweez: /msg dpkg mentors .. /msg dpkg nm /msg dpkg mg |
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| 22:31.01 | peteweez | abrotman: many thanks |
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| 22:31.17 | dondelelcaro | probably because network-manager is horribly broken |
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| 22:31.29 | katabatic | so how can I fix it? |
| 22:31.37 | danf_1979 | how many years is debian stable supported? |
| 22:31.46 | dondelelcaro | katabatic: by not using it? ;-) |
| 22:31.48 | tarzeau | danf_1979: several |
| 22:31.49 | azeem | katabatic: is your wired connection mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 22:31.52 | streuner | danf_1979: one year after etch is out... |
| 22:31.55 | katabatic | yes |
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| 22:32.01 | azeem | katabatic: then n-m will ignore it |
| 22:32.02 | Mark_Iron | !cica |
| 22:32.09 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 22:32.12 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: always for as long as it's released; generally 6-12 months after the previous stable |
| 22:32.14 | danf_1979 | But I mean, any stable... historically... |
| 22:32.17 | azeem | katabatic: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:32.21 | katabatic | none |
| 22:32.32 | azeem | there you go |
| 22:32.41 | danf_1979 | 2-3 years? |
| 22:32.42 | katabatic | go what? |
| 22:32.43 | azeem | kubuntu's network-manager is apparently even more broken |
| 22:33.00 | katabatic | so have you got a suggestion to fix it? |
| 22:33.02 | streuner | dondelelcaro: 6 month, it was tradition that every stable has support 1 year? |
| 22:33.03 | bbelt16ag | i am back again and gonna ask a prevelant question... one that i keep forgetting about ... where can i find a list of repos for debian so i can add some more cause the two i got are slow as mollasses.. |
| 22:33.05 | tarzeau | danf_1979: stable changes, you mean a specific release? |
| 22:33.07 | azeem | katabatic: no, ask #kubuntu |
| 22:33.10 | katabatic | already did |
| 22:33.14 | mnuhmnuh | danf_1979: woody just went to the archives. |
| 22:33.15 | azeem | katabatic: well, uninstall it |
| 22:33.16 | tarzeau | danf_1979: stable is always supported |
| 22:33.20 | katabatic | I did |
| 22:33.21 | dondelelcaro | streuner: there is a tradition, but it really is up to the security team |
| 22:33.26 | katabatic | but I'd like to use network-manager |
| 22:33.26 | bbelt16ag | i am gonna bookmark it this time.. |
| 22:33.31 | Heston | i dont suppose the i680 nvidia chipset is supported yet? |
| 22:33.31 | katabatic | happens again if I install it |
| 22:33.34 | dondelelcaro | streuner: they can decide to keep or not keep support for as long as they want. |
| 22:33.40 | azeem | katabatic: this is not a bug in Debian, it works fine here |
| 22:33.45 | azeem | katabatic: so sorry, we can't help you |
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| 22:33.53 | azeem | katabatic: file a bug in their bug tracker maybe |
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| 22:34.39 | OUTsider | hmmmz, anyone knows about issues with dselect regarding fetching the gzip file from package sites ? |
| 22:34.46 | OUTsider | it always seems to stall there |
| 22:34.50 | mnuhmnuh | !reportbug |
| 22:34.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 22:34.53 | danf_1979 | Well, I'll rephrase then... How many years does a given release stays as the stable branch? |
| 22:35.02 | tarzeau | if file says MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2.5 , it's really an mp3 file isn't it? the mp3 version 2.5 as it says there? |
| 22:35.26 | tarzeau | Heston: supported by what? |
| 22:35.37 | tarzeau | Heston: do you have a full lspci line? once with -n ? |
| 22:35.47 | jelly-home | danf_1979: about 18 months - 3 years. |
| 22:35.51 | mnuhmnuh | danf_1979: however long it takes for testing to go stable plus one year. |
| 22:35.57 | Heston | tarzeau, i havent even tried installing yet |
| 22:36.05 | jelly-home | forgot that one year |
| 22:36.06 | danf_1979 | thanks jelly-home... |
| 22:36.09 | tarzeau | Heston: what, it? |
| 22:36.26 | Heston | tarzeau, huh? |
| 22:36.31 | jelly-home | danf_1979: old stable is supported for one year after the next one is released |
| 22:36.46 | tarzeau | Heston: 23:35 < Heston> tarzeau, i havent even tried installing yet |
| 22:36.51 | OUTsider | mnuhmnuh: was that silly !reportbug trigger for me ? |
| 22:36.54 | tarzeau | Heston: you didn't try what? you have the hardware? |
| 22:37.01 | Heston | tarzeau, i havent installed debian on the hardware |
| 22:37.31 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: nope. |
| 22:37.41 | OUTsider | k |
| 22:38.00 | Heston | tarzeau, and that accomplished what? |
| 22:38.06 | OUTsider | so why doesn't it grab the gzip in dselect |
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| 22:38.27 | OUTsider | I have it on several systems during update of the package lists using different mirrors |
| 22:38.54 | Heston | tarzeau, if the initial question wasnt clear enough...does debian fully support the i680 chipset? |
| 22:38.59 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: why dselect? |
| 22:39.07 | Psy-X | I'll think about it |
| 22:39.13 | tarzeau | Heston: it's not getting clearer |
| 22:39.15 | OUTsider | why not ? |
| 22:39.22 | dondelelcaro | Heston: it supports it as much or as little as the kernel does |
| 22:39.25 | tarzeau | Heston: debian supports mostly what linux supports |
| 22:39.26 | danf_1979 | Is it too problematic (historically) to upgrade from an old stable to the new stable? When a new release become stable, what does people do mostly? format and install the new stable release or just use apt-get to upgrade? (no X, just server) |
| 22:39.38 | tarzeau | Heston: what of the nvidia i680 chipset? |
| 22:39.45 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: it's never been a problem; most people just upgrade. |
| 22:39.46 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: it's ancient? I was using it a decade ago. |
| 22:39.47 | tarzeau | Heston: graphics cards? sound cards? disk controllers? |
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| 22:40.10 | OUTsider | mnuhmnuh: I don't have an xserver running on those machines, those are remote servers |
| 22:40.31 | Heston | tarzeau, the i680 chipset is for motherboard only..so disk controllers, ethernet, etc |
| 22:40.38 | OUTsider | mnuhmnuh: not everyone uses GUI's in order to maintain stuff |
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| 22:40.47 | abrotman | OUTsider: try straight apt-get or aptitude |
| 22:40.48 | OUTsider | mnuhmnuh: some things are still to be done on a terminal |
| 22:40.55 | jelly-home | danf_1979: working upgrades are one of Debian's comparative advantages |
| 22:41.00 | tarzeau | Heston: if you had lspci information about it |
| 22:41.03 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: apt-get/aptitude are CLI and/or ncurses. no X necessary. |
| 22:41.07 | chronographer | Hi all, anyone know a howto for getting my ipod shuffle to work? in linux |
| 22:41.16 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 22:41.17 | OUTsider | abrotman: if I recall it right then dselect calls for apt-get update |
| 22:41.19 | OUTsider | :P |
| 22:41.24 | tarzeau | Heston: or a command to find out if the crap i have is i680 chipset or not |
| 22:41.25 | chronographer | yeh |
| 22:41.38 | danf_1979 | Etch comes with mysql5, php5? (I know I can found them elsewhere if not, but just asking) |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | OUTsider: that's nice .. straight apt-get doesn't do all the stupid things that dselect does |
| 22:41.44 | tarzeau | Heston: becausei throw away the paper boxes the stuff is shipped in |
| 22:42.05 | tarzeau | danf_1979: packages.debian.org ? |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | OUTsider: when i first started using debian .. i used dselect .. that was my major gripe with debian ... then i stopped using it .. life was way better |
| 22:42.14 | OUTsider | so I need to use another package manager |
| 22:42.18 | Heston | tarzeau, well its once of the newest chipsets out from nvidia |
| 22:42.28 | danf_1979 | I'll see, thanks |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | OUTsider: you don't *need* to .. but dselect is really a pain IMO |
| 22:42.31 | Heston | s/once/one |
| 22:42.32 | tarzeau | Heston: i've got nvidia hardware of some weeks ago, it works (for me) |
| 22:42.47 | tarzeau | Heston: i can tell you lspci information |
| 22:42.50 | OUTsider | abrotman: the only pain at the moment is about that gzip that it won't download |
| 22:42.54 | Heston | tarzeau, and are you running testing or stable |
| 22:43.01 | OUTsider | abrotman: for the rest it works fine for me |
| 22:43.15 | tarzeau | Heston: stable + own kernel + nvidia binary driver @work. and the same but unstable at home |
| 22:43.40 | OUTsider | abrotman: looking at the way you think about dselect tells me you folks simply dropped support for it by no longer putting certain files in the mirrors that dselect needs in order to decently operate |
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| 22:44.41 | chronographer | Hi all, my ipod wont mount utomatically, how do I get it to mount? |
| 22:44.57 | danf_1979 | Uhm, great |
| 22:45.14 | Heston | tarzeau, well thanks for the help anyways, i am used to unix and a kernel designed with the OS, the little difference with linux slipped my mind |
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| 22:45.22 | OUTsider | looked at aptitude... it sucks to be honest, regarding the usage I surely prefer dselect |
| 22:45.31 | danf_1979 | Ok, I'll give Etch a try today |
| 22:45.45 | OUTsider | now I have to open each subsection in order to see what changed etc |
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| 22:46.00 | JordiGH | w00t. |
| 22:46.03 | JordiGH | Internet at home. |
| 22:46.03 | tarzeau | Heston: i don't understand what you're talking. but there's also debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 22:46.06 | JordiGH | w00t verily. |
| 22:46.08 | abrotman | OUTsider: doubtful .. many people still use it |
| 22:46.13 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: run "aptitude" at CLI. It looks a lot like dselect to me. |
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| 22:46.26 | OUTsider | mnuhmnuh: hell no, it looks a lot different to me |
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| 22:47.37 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: hmmm ... you're right. It's been a while. Sorry. |
| 22:47.57 | JordiGH | dselect is dead. Long live dselect! |
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| 22:48.06 | OUTsider | so how to get dselect working again |
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| 22:48.30 | OUTsider | THAT I wanna know, nothing else, no other package manager, no aptitude or whatever, dselect, nothing else |
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| 22:48.44 | jmd | Yesterday I was trying out the etch rc1 installer --- in the morning I managed to get everything working, but in the afternoon, I couldn't get the USB webcam recognised. I'm bgugred if I can remember how I did it. |
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| 22:48.55 | abrotman | OUTsider: try another mirror |
| 22:49.08 | jmd | What's the trick to getting devices recognised by the USB ? |
| 22:49.12 | OUTsider | abrotman: i already tried different mirrors |
| 22:49.16 | dondelelcaro | the main mirrors should have the gzip'ed package files. |
| 22:49.29 | OUTsider | only the main mirrors ? |
| 22:49.34 | JordiGH | It's open source, too! |
| 22:49.43 | mnuhmnuh | OUTsider: reportbug? |
| 22:49.46 | krang | Does anyone know if I need to put stop links in rc0/1 if I'm putting iptables in rc2,3,4,5? or will iptables just go away cleanly when I shut down? |
| 22:49.50 | mo1991 | if someone is attacking my machine via ssh bruteforce attack or dictionary attack, etc - what are some tools that I can use to attack their machine back - know how to use nessus, nmap, etc but do not have any attacking programs - any suggestions for etch? |
| 22:49.58 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: the main archive is the only ones that are directly controlled. Every other mirror is free to mirror whatever they want. |
| 22:50.15 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: since few people use dselect anymore, they may no longer be mirroring the .gz files for every distribution. |
| 22:50.17 | OUTsider | dondelelcaro: normally they mirror simply everything |
| 22:50.18 | abrotman | the official mirrors ? |
| 22:50.19 | krang | mo1991: I like trident missiles personally. Fast and very difficult to miss with |
| 22:50.28 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: no, they don't. |
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| 22:50.37 | OUTsider | dondelelcaro: I even know some mirrors that mirror the security updates |
| 22:50.51 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: the security updates are on an entirely separate archive |
| 22:50.51 | cr3 | how can I determine the frames per second being rendered on my machine? |
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| 22:50.58 | OUTsider | dondelelcaro: debian.essentkabel.com for example mirrors security.debian.org |
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| 22:51.15 | JordiGH | cr3: Vague question. Rendered where? |
| 22:51.22 | cr3 | JordiGH: on my monitor |
| 22:51.43 | JordiGH | cr3: The refresh rate on your X11 config files should tell you that. Your monitor also knows what its refresh rate is. |
| 22:51.55 | mnuhmnuh | mo1991: bad idea. Report them to their ISP. |
| 22:51.59 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: so? |
| 22:52.00 | JordiGH | cr3: Well, modern monitors anyways. |
| 22:52.13 | OUTsider | and even that mirror doesn't have the gzips |
| 22:52.21 | OUTsider | and they simply mirror everything |
| 22:52.25 | dondelelcaro | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ <-- has gzips. |
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| 22:53.14 | dondelelcaro | http://debian.essentkabel.com/debian-security/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/ <-- has gzips |
| 22:54.08 | mo1991 | <mnuhmnuh> |
| 22:54.10 | Caelum | how do you put a package on hold with apt-get? |
| 22:54.14 | dondelelcaro | !hold |
| 22:54.14 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 22:54.19 | Caelum | thank you |
| 22:54.23 | OUTsider | I'm not talking about the security updates and gzips in security |
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| 22:54.39 | dondelelcaro | http://debian.essentkabel.com/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ <-- has gzips. |
| 22:54.44 | OUTsider | that was just an example |
| 22:54.56 | aib | anyone know a way to convert octal <-> chmod ? e.g., how do I figure out what `umask 0023' actually means? |
| 22:55.00 | Christoph_vW | hi |
| 22:55.46 | Christoph_vW | I would like to install debian 4 testing - but it looks like my hardware is not supported |
| 22:55.46 | dondelelcaro | aib: that's at most 0754 |
| 22:55.47 | Christoph_vW | are there any plans to use a newer kernel? |
| 22:55.47 | mo1991 | mnuhmnuh - may be so, but I'd like to at least know what some of them are - test against my own machine if necessary |
| 22:55.50 | dondelelcaro | (well, actually 7754, but whatever) |
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| 22:55.59 | Christoph_vW | the main problem is the JMicron IDE/S-ATA controller |
| 22:56.09 | aib | dondelelcaro, i have a problem where the packages installed by the root user aren't readable by users. e.g., they can't include -dev header files in /usr/local/* |
| 22:56.23 | dondelelcaro | aib: uh... debian doesn't install packages to /usr/local |
| 22:56.27 | OUTsider | dondelelcaro: same for bzip2's ? |
| 22:56.29 | JordiGH | aib: What are you asking? umask 0023 means rwxr-x-wx |
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| 22:56.41 | OUTsider | 99% [12 Packages bzip2 0] <- waiting for a minute now |
| 22:56.48 | streuner | Christoph_vW: try a newer d-i, 2.6.18 should support some of them... |
| 22:56.48 | aib | dondelelcaro i mean when i build the package and run `make install'. so i'm trying to learn this |
| 22:57.02 | JordiGH | aib: Why are you compiling? |
| 22:57.06 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: that has nothing to do with not being able to download them. That means that you don't have the right archive key typically. |
| 22:57.09 | Christoph_vW | d-i? |
| 22:57.13 | kalleth | hi everyone - i need to set up my DVD drive in my debian box so it's shared so that my windows machine can access files from it.. i'm imagining this uses something like samba, but i'm not sure where to start. Anyone got any pointers? |
| 22:57.19 | aib | JordiGH, because i'm a developer =) but this permissions thing has got me |
| 22:57.25 | OUTsider | archive key ? |
| 22:57.26 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: run apt-get update; or use apt-key; |
| 22:57.29 | streuner | Christoph_vW: debian installer |
| 22:57.30 | dondelelcaro | OUTsider: /topic |
| 22:57.37 | aib | i'm creating .deb packages using checkinstall atm |
| 22:57.48 | Christoph_vW | streuner: I downloaded the debian testing from yesterday - where I can find a newer one? |
| 22:58.01 | JordiGH | debhelper doesn't use /usr/local either. It uses a chroot. |
| 22:58.27 | aib | i don't use debhelper, i don't know if checkinstall uses it in the background |
| 22:58.45 | JordiGH | Did you read the new maintainer guide? |
| 22:58.52 | aib | yeah i've read the whole thing |
| 22:59.09 | aib | this permissions problem seems to be unrelated. i'm thinking it's the umask for root atm |
| 22:59.27 | streuner | Christoph_vW: well, what kind of error did you get? |
| 22:59.51 | Christoph_vW | streuner: no CD/DVD drive found |
| 23:00.09 | JordiGH | aib: The umask is the complement of the chmod. |
| 23:00.15 | JordiGH | chmod 777 means umask 000. |
| 23:00.21 | JordiGH | XORed, that is. |
| 23:00.21 | streuner | Christoph_vW: hm, just use a different way to install then? |
| 23:00.23 | Christoph_vW | both DVD drives are connected to the JMicron controller - this is the only IDE controller I have |
| 23:00.41 | Christoph_vW | which one? it looks like to Marvell NIC is unsupported too |
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| 23:00.55 | streuner | Christoph_vW: use something which isn't connected to the controller |
| 23:01.38 | Christoph_vW | umm... floppy? |
| 23:02.08 | streuner | why not, if they aren't connected to the JMicron controller, sure. |
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| 23:03.07 | Christoph_vW | btw. Windows Vista has the same problem - I could solve it there with the Standard IDE driver from MS - the JMicron drivers only caused a BSOD |
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| 23:05.02 | Christoph_vW | it should be support in kernel 2.6.18.2 and above |
| 23:05.15 | Christoph_vW | but I have no clue which one debian is using |
| 23:05.25 | streuner | 2.6.18 |
| 23:06.20 | streuner | some user told us, he played with IRQ at start of d-i and had success |
| 23:08.09 | Christoph_vW | which kernel will be used in the debian 4 release? |
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| 23:08.32 | azeem | Christoph_vW: 2.6.18 |
| 23:08.35 | Christoph_vW | :( |
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| 23:11.43 | geo-rge | Christoph_vW: are you positive your controller is not supported by 2.6.18? |
| 23:12.18 | Christoph_vW | in the JMicron docs they said support on 2.6.18.2 and above |
| 23:12.35 | Christoph_vW | *it is supported by |
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| 23:13.26 | geo-rge | Christoph_vW: ok... maybe there is a debian-installer that has 2.6.18.2 |
| 23:14.08 | geo-rge | is this controller on your motherboard? or on a separate card plugged into it? |
| 23:14.15 | Christoph_vW | motherboard |
| 23:14.29 | geo-rge | are there pata controllers on the motherboard? |
| 23:14.40 | Christoph_vW | only the JMicron controller |
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| 23:15.02 | Christoph_vW | it is Asus P5B Deluxe (Intel 965P) |
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| 23:15.14 | geo-rge | the question is, does any controller on that motherboard have pata? |
| 23:15.29 | Christoph_vW | only the JMicron controller |
| 23:15.39 | Christoph_vW | it is a P-ATA + S-ATA2 Controller |
| 23:15.57 | jmd | What is v4l ? |
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| 23:16.24 | geo-rge | ok, that is finally an answer to the posed question, "yes, the motherboard does have pata" |
| 23:16.30 | Christoph_vW | jmd: video4linux? |
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| 23:17.25 | geo-rge | it may be the case that the pata side of that controller can use older drivers; just a guess |
| 23:17.51 | jmd | Christoph_vW: At what level does it operate ? If I see a driver labeled as a "video for linux" driver, does that mean it only works if I have v4l installed ? |
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| 23:18.04 | Christoph_vW | jmd: I have no clue |
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| 23:20.11 | geo-rge | scruffy: you'd be even wilder-eyed if it was a machine checkmate exception... |
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| 23:20.30 | scruffy | geo-rge: hehe |
| 23:20.38 | simmerz | what do i select in menuconfig as the processor type for a core 2 duo? |
| 23:20.39 | Christoph_vW | why don't you just use a newer kernel then? too much testing req. then? or too much other dependecies? |
| 23:20.51 | Christoph_vW | simmerz: SMP |
| 23:20.52 | mandingo | woody get dropped from all the mirrors? |
| 23:20.58 | geo-rge | simmerz: 686 and smp? |
| 23:21.09 | simmerz | Christoph_vW: not Pentium M or P4? |
| 23:21.20 | geo-rge | mandingo: that would be oldstable; dunno |
| 23:21.41 | streuner | mandingo: in general yes |
| 23:21.41 | Christoph_vW | simmerz: definitly not P4 |
| 23:21.50 | mandingo | ack |
| 23:21.54 | mnuhmnuh | mandingo: yes. archive.debian.net ? |
| 23:21.58 | simmerz | Christoph_vW: isn't the core 2 based on p-m? |
| 23:22.03 | mandingo | mnuhmnuh: good call! |
| 23:22.05 | mandingo | thanks guys |
| 23:22.11 | Christoph_vW | simmerz: yes it is |
| 23:22.20 | mandingo | hrm |
| 23:22.22 | simmerz | Christoph_vW: so that would work fine? |
| 23:22.29 | Christoph_vW | simmerz: I never tried |
| 23:22.34 | simmerz | ok |
| 23:22.35 | geo-rge | mandingo: idly curious... why woody? |
| 23:22.53 | Christoph_vW | bbl |
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| 23:22.58 | mandingo | geo-rge: old servers that have not yet been dist upgraded, need a package, no time to dist-upgrade completely. |
| 23:23.11 | Guerin | simmerz: if you don't know, why are you building a kernel? |
| 23:23.37 | Guerin | simmerz: read the help. If it doesn't make it clear, choose the highest which you *know* will work (probably 686) |
| 23:23.42 | simmerz | Guerin: because i want to. I've been using linux for a while, but only just got the new laptop |
| 23:23.43 | streuner | mandingo: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070110 |
| 23:23.48 | geo-rge | "if people don't know this little part, they shouldn't do any part of it" BULLSHIT |
| 23:23.55 | Guerin | simmerz: so do your own research. |
| 23:24.04 | mandingo | streuner: thank you so very much |
| 23:24.07 | mandingo | exactly what I neede |
| 23:24.10 | mandingo | needed |
| 23:24.11 | Guerin | geo-rge: if they don't know, they should find out for themselves |
| 23:24.15 | simmerz | Guerin: this forms part of it... im certain others have done the same as what I'm trying to do. |
| 23:24.20 | Guerin | geo-rge: instead of asking other people to wipe their arses |
| 23:24.21 | streuner | mandingo: you're welcome. |
| 23:24.37 | geo-rge | that is -stupid- -meanspirited- and represents a blockade |
| 23:24.44 | Guerin | simmerz: but including smp does no harm if you want to. |
| 23:24.53 | simmerz | Guerin: yeah I know that. |
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| 23:25.06 | Guerin | geo-rge: no, it's about people doing things for themselves - fish, etc. |
| 23:25.36 | geo-rge | so you're willing to give fish only under particular circumstances. |
| 23:25.57 | Guerin | quesries about the kernel documentation - fine. `what cpu should I choose?' - not fine. |
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| 23:26.06 | geo-rge | three choices: never, always, bias |
| 23:26.20 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes, why should I give out fish when people can go and catch it for themselves, quite simply? |
| 23:27.12 | geo-rge | then always do that. |
| 23:27.31 | Guerin | geo-rge: why? Inconsistency is no longer allowable? |
| 23:27.42 | geo-rge | meaning for example: never, ever try to determine what dist they run |
| 23:28.05 | Guerin | geo-rge: that would be fine if that were a factor which wasn't elevant to me - but it is. |
| 23:28.29 | geo-rge | it's largely none of your business |
| 23:28.44 | Guerin | no, it is: this is #debian |
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| 23:29.08 | Guerin | this is an issue of each individual helper being able to - more or less unilaterally - set the conditions under which they help. If you'd prefer all the rules to be set by you, that's fine, but don't expect ME to adhere. |
| 23:29.35 | geo-rge | which brings me to another point: if you're going to fail to help, at least help them learn to solve problems. if you do that CONSISTANTLY, then you make the entire linux community better |
| 23:30.02 | geo-rge | anyway, I'm done with that |
| 23:30.30 | geo-rge | I've made my point and (politely speaking) you can do anything you want with it. |
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| 23:30.41 | Guerin | geo-rge: thanks for your permission. |
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| 23:32.06 | streuner | WTH is going on? |
| 23:32.18 | geo-rge | nothing at all. it's done. |
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| 23:32.59 | Bogus8 | where is the smbpasswd file stored in debain? |
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| 23:33.19 | geo-rge | unless you want a rehash, either continue being confused or scroll up |
| 23:33.33 | streuner | geo-rge: i did |
| 23:33.49 | geo-rge | my points were plain enough |
| 23:33.51 | streuner | geo-rge: i scrolled up, but iam still confused :-) |
| 23:34.00 | humboldt | when I have sarge and etch installed on my laptop each with it's own swap, do I have to define a resume partition for each installation in grub (grub installed in partition) in order for it to resume from the right swap, or will it figure that out by itself (kernel version, ...) |
| 23:34.26 | geo-rge | aside from which I have to start a download and head out the door |
| 23:34.59 | pickcoder | humboldt: swap is determined by swap-on and also what's in the fstab |
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| 23:35.27 | Guerin | simmerz: synopsis: geo-rge seems to think telling people to do their own research is mean-spirited, without giving them help as to how to find the information they need |
| 23:35.30 | Guerin | streuner: ' |
| 23:35.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:36.23 | pickcoder | that depends on the depth of the information that is needed |
| 23:36.40 | simmerz | Guerin: lol. I don't mind doing my own research |
| 23:36.54 | simmerz | Guerin: but I also like to save time by learning from other peoples experiences |
| 23:36.56 | Guerin | simmerz: well, your question above didn't make that clear. |
| 23:37.01 | streuner | Guerin: i hate spoonfeeding. |
| 23:37.01 | mnuhmnuh | pickcoder: how much are you being paid to help out here? |
| 23:37.03 | pickcoder | how do I kill a process == RTFM |
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| 23:37.10 | humboldt | pickcoder: I am not concerned about SWAP! I am concerned about hibernate using the SWAP partition. |
| 23:37.30 | pickcoder | which CPU architecture should I use for my installation == discussion on needs for the server |
| 23:37.34 | Guerin | humboldt: using suspend2? |
| 23:37.35 | azeem | mnuhmnuh: that's not the point, the point is that people who help out here represent Debian |
| 23:37.38 | streuner | Guerin: if you aren't able to read docs and solve problems, Linux isn't what you want, besides that's related to ANY OS. |
| 23:37.39 | azeem | to its users, no less |
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| 23:37.50 | geo-rge | look at my earlier conversation with HardDisk_WP as an example of helping someone new to any unix get to the point where he can read man pages and also determine and fix somewhat complex problems |
| 23:37.58 | pickcoder | mnuhmnuh: I'm not being paid to help here |
| 23:38.05 | simmerz | Guerin: sorry if thats the case. I was just trying to work out how best to go about compile this specific kernel - i've done tons of others in the past, including smp ones for p4ht's, but never for a c2d. hence why I was asking. |
| 23:38.13 | humboldt | Guerin: no, standard kernel hibernate/suspend whatever you want to call it |
| 23:38.19 | mnuhmnuh | azeem: the point is, everyone here's a volunteer. |
| 23:38.37 | azeem | mnuhmnuh: sure, that's orthogonal to my above point, though |
| 23:38.45 | simmerz | Guerin: by the same token, I'm not just a taker - I give help too where I can. |
| 23:38.51 | Guerin | simmerz: sure. |
| 23:38.58 | geo-rge | streuner: but it's not possible to prove that a person cannot learn. |
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| 23:39.03 | justin | !tell simmerz about custom kernel |
| 23:39.08 | azeem | geo-rge: I suggest you just outnumber the bad guys[tm] by helping a lot and encouraging others to do so as well, so that the bad guys[tm] are eventually outnumbered and of no importance |
| 23:39.16 | Guerin | there's no need to be defensive; it's not as if I was being particularly offensive. |
| 23:39.36 | Guerin | azeem: the Bad Guys are the ones who don't give out answers on a silver platter? |
| 23:39.37 | simmerz | Guerin: you weren't. and what you said was entirely fair in my opinion |
| 23:39.42 | geo-rge | azeem: that would take a hell of a lot of work |
| 23:39.47 | azeem | geo-rge: indeed |
| 23:40.05 | azeem | Guerin: dunno, ask geo-rge |
| 23:40.05 | streuner | azeem: here aren't bad guys, here are people who using debian and help! |
| 23:40.08 | Guerin | humboldt: i only use suspend2, but for that you need to define a swap partition on a per-entry basis in grub |
| 23:40.17 | azeem | streuner: I can't parse that |
| 23:40.30 | geo-rge | I think they should (a) look at the example and (b) inspire themselves |
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| 23:40.40 | Guerin | geo-rge: you should be a motivational speaker. |
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| 23:41.07 | geo-rge | I can understand lack of time/energy. but if that's the case, why try to help at all? |
| 23:41.09 | shwag | where do I export a variable if I want it to be available system wide for all users ? |
| 23:41.35 | geo-rge | that is why do that as opposed to appear to be somewhat grumpy and fail to help? |
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| 23:41.57 | mnuhmnuh | shwag: /etc/profile |
| 23:42.07 | azeem | geo-rge: argueing about it won't improve things |
| 23:42.12 | amphi | humboldt: you should specify the swap partition for each with 'resume=/dev/foo' one the respective kernel command lines |
| 23:42.24 | shwag | mnuhmnuh: sounds good. thanks. |
| 23:42.24 | amphi | humboldt: s/one/on |
| 23:42.50 | shwag | mnuhmnuh: wasnt sure with /etc/environment and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 23:42.57 | geo-rge | I don't want to argue that point now... but you're complaining there's no possible hope |
| 23:43.01 | pickcoder | azeem: it's entertaining though... |
| 23:43.05 | azeem | geo-rge: I? |
| 23:43.17 | geo-rge | s/complaining/claiming/ |
| 23:43.27 | geo-rge | sorry, wrong word, and yes you |
| 23:43.29 | humboldt | amphi: Will do that, tnx. |
| 23:43.30 | azeem | geo-rge: you did that, I just told you what needs to be done |
| 23:43.37 | Guerin | geo-rge: i think his point is `be the change you wish to see' |
| 23:43.43 | azeem | Guerin: exact |
| 23:43.50 | geo-rge | there's an example! |
| 23:43.52 | amphi | humboldt: I'm assuming you are using swsusp... |
| 23:44.06 | mnuhmnuh | shwag: I've never touched those. |
| 23:44.08 | Guerin | i am 100% behind that, and try to be the change I wish to see: which is users taking responsibility for self-education |
| 23:44.10 | humboldt | amphi: you are assuming correctly |
| 23:44.16 | geo-rge | I don't do that kind of thing often; it does take a -long- time |
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| 23:44.25 | AcuraX | ow do i change the fonts for gtk their tiny ;[ |
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| 23:44.40 | streuner | AcuraX: gtkswitch(2) |
| 23:44.44 | humboldt | amphi: tnx a lot |
| 23:44.46 | Guerin | azeem: inatall gtk-theme-switch |
| 23:44.52 | Guerin | bah, stupid |
| 23:44.55 | Guerin | AcuraX: |
| 23:45.05 | amphi | humboldt: you're welcome |
| 23:45.33 | amphi | humboldt: if you build the kernels yourself, you can specify in the kernel config which partition it should use, FWIW |
| 23:45.37 | geo-rge | Guerin: new folks (such as the person in the example) need to be encouraged to do that; they may not be aware that's even possible |
| 23:46.04 | AcuraX | Ok now what do i do? |
| 23:46.17 | humboldt | amphi: have seen that config option |
| 23:46.19 | streuner | AcuraX: install the package? :-) |
| 23:46.41 | Guerin | geo-rge: 1. he's not a new folk; 2. he's trying to build a linux kernel, he SHOULDN'T be a new folk. |
| 23:46.45 | AcuraX | Done |
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| 23:46.58 | streuner | ok, just run it :-) |
| 23:47.11 | AcuraX | I did but how do i change the font? |
| 23:47.21 | pickcoder | Guerin: you can't group Debian newbies based on kernel compiling questions |
| 23:47.45 | pickcoder | I'm still a relatively new Debian user, but I've been using Linux since 1996 |
| 23:47.52 | pickcoder | actually.. mid-1995 |
| 23:48.00 | streuner | pickcoder: everyone who want compiling kernels *should* KNOW what they doing... |
| 23:48.09 | Guerin | pickcoder: i'm not, I'm saying noobs have no business compiling kernels unless it's utterly necessary, in which case specific and detailed questions aren't relevant. |
| 23:48.14 | geo-rge | Guerin: ok, then my opinion of the proper response is to show which doc has the cpu choices in it |
| 23:48.15 | azeem | it's not exactly rocket science |
| 23:48.28 | pickcoder | none of those are points I was making |
| 23:48.31 | OffHand | guys... is debian testing usuable for evry daay use or should I pick another one? |
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| 23:48.35 | geo-rge | yes it is! debian was in the space shuttle! |
| 23:48.37 | streuner | azeem: i fucked up one of my SCSI HD's ... |
| 23:48.38 | azeem | OffHand: it is |
| 23:48.39 | amphi | OffHand: works fine for me here |
| 23:48.47 | pickcoder | I can compile a kernel from scratch, but I I still may not know every aspect of the Debian distro |
| 23:48.50 | Guerin | geo-rge: but it's *obvious* from the config help, that's my point. |
| 23:48.51 | streuner | azeem: by compling a kernel |
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| 23:48.58 | OffHand | so it's not like... alpha software? |
| 23:49.00 | azeem | streuner: it's not idiot-proof either :P |
| 23:49.03 | pickcoder | I still ask questions here that many of you may consider "noob" |
| 23:49.06 | azeem | OffHand: no |
| 23:49.09 | Guerin | OffHand: it is now. It's likely to break after etch releases (soon), but if you stay on etch, it' |
| 23:49.13 | Guerin | 'll be nice |
| 23:49.22 | streuner | azeem: nice, that you join the *GOOD* boys then :-P |
| 23:49.27 | Guerin | OffHand: it is usable, I mean - not alpha. |
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| 23:50.01 | jelly-home | except on that one architecture |
| 23:50.07 | Guerin | anyway, i'm back off to skool; have fun kiddiwinks |
| 23:50.08 | OffHand | ok thnx guys. 1 more question.... would the grub automatically detect my xp install which I still need for a few games? |
| 23:50.19 | streuner | Guerin: have fune |
| 23:50.21 | streuner | Guerin: have fun |
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| 23:50.39 | Guerin | streuner: the iran/iraq war isn't really fun, per se. |
| 23:50.40 | geo-rge | Guerin: ok, then the thing to do is tell them that exact thing, relate to them the process of checking there, if they don't know |
| 23:50.57 | geo-rge | Guerin: seeya next time |
| 23:51.04 | Guerin | geo-rge: why, if it's obvious enough that the only reason for them not seeing it is that they haven't bloody looked? |
| 23:51.19 | Guerin | yeh, I have to bounce. |
| 23:51.20 | streuner | Guerin: oh, well - i would appriceate that kind of lessons ;-) |
| 23:51.21 | nkuttler | OffHand: no |
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| 23:51.33 | OffHand | hmm |
| 23:51.45 | nkuttler | OffHand: or do you mean the installer? |
| 23:51.52 | OffHand | yeah |
| 23:52.03 | nkuttler | OffHand: then i don't know |
| 23:52.04 | geo-rge | grr, I didn't want to get roped back into ranting... |
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| 23:52.12 | coach | hi@all |
| 23:52.14 | OffHand | I got Ubuntu installed now but I am thinking of switching to debian |
| 23:52.22 | [Cadet] | OffHand: Yes it should see your windows installation and add an entry for it |
| 23:52.29 | streuner | !d-i OffHand |
| 23:52.29 | dpkg | OffHand, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:52.32 | coach | i've got a problem with burning an audio-cd with k3b (testing) |
| 23:52.37 | streuner | !tell OffHand about ig |
| 23:52.43 | coach | 'unable to send cue-sheet' |
| 23:52.47 | Bogus8 | Where is the smbpasswd file in debian.. I'm having issues transfering from windows to a smb share but it can do it if I do smbclient 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 23:53.21 | pickcoder | Bogus8: updatedb; locate smbpasswd |
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| 23:53.36 | OffHand | I think I'm going for testing streuner |
| 23:53.38 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: that was th first thing I did :( only found the binaires |
| 23:53.55 | pickcoder | Bogus8: man smbpasswd? |
| 23:54.01 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I have even scoured the smb.conf to see if it was refernced there |
| 23:54.01 | pickcoder | maybe there isn't one by default |
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| 23:54.08 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: did that also |
| 23:54.26 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I've been at it for damn near an hour ;) |
| 23:54.27 | coach | any idea? (k3b-->unable to send cue-sheet) |
| 23:54.44 | pickcoder | I don't have samba configured on any of my machines |
| 23:54.50 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: haven't looked very hard have you |
| 23:54.53 | pickcoder | I use smbmount on other distros though |
| 23:55.17 | PumpkinPie | how do I test the bind9 config file before I use it ? |
| 23:55.24 | AcuraX | anyway else to edit gtk font? |
| 23:55.27 | [Cadet] | did you try an ls in the directory where the smb.conf file you scoured over was? |
| 23:55.43 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: actually I did updatedb then locate smbpasswd, read through the config smb.conf and read the smbpasswd man file so I think I did a fairly thourough search |
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| 23:56.05 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: that was the VERY first thing I did |
| 23:56.06 | mnuhmnuh | Bogus8: #samba |
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| 23:56.21 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: I have it up and working on my FC3 box and that is where it is at |
| 23:56.25 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: yeah whatever |
| 23:56.36 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: then you haven't added any users |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | AcuraX: gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 23:57.09 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: what the fuck is your problem? Yes, I've added and deleted users sucessfully and it says "deleted user blah blah blah" so I know it's being stored somewhere |
| 23:57.19 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: what exactly are you wanting to test? |
| 23:58.14 | nkuttler | Bogus8: mine is where it should be, /etc/samba surprisingly |
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| 23:58.37 | sam_uk | !lash |
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| 23:58.48 | avtobiff | !leash |
| 23:58.49 | Bogus8 | nkuttler: that's messed up... I have no clue where mine is being kept at |
| 23:58.49 | Vme | is there a better way to mount a NTFS filessystem than with NTFS-3G? I'm trying to NFS mount my NTFS partition and I can't seem to do it?? |
| 23:59.02 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: My problem is that you either have no clue, or have other reasons for wanting that password file. It will do you no good, and it "IS" in /etc/samba if you have one and installed samba from official packages |
| 23:59.25 | jelly-home | Vme: ntfs-3g is probably as good as it gets |
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| 23:59.26 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: What makes you think that you can fix a browse problem by finding the password file? |
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| 23:59.44 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: ok, I can understand your attitude.. .I never even thought that it might sound like I was "up to no good" but seriously I'm logged in as root and have done all that i have said |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | !tell sam_uk about debian-bots |
| 23:59.56 | Bogus8 | I can pastebin any config from this box you want :) |
