| 00:00.06 | jelly-home | Vme: did you export the mount point and allow other users to access the filesystem? |
| 00:00.15 | Vme | jelly-home: i have a HD in my computer that is NTFS and I really don't care what file system it is, but it has a shit ton of stuff on it and I just can't copy to another drive format it to ext3 then back?? |
| 00:00.15 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: I just want to verify it looks like the one of my fc3 box |
| 00:00.26 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: narrowing down the problem |
| 00:00.41 | nn-main | how do i set the multimedia keys for my keybord |
| 00:00.46 | Vme | yes, i have it in my /etc/exports but when i mount it it doesn't read the NTFS portion |
| 00:01.03 | nn-main | (logetec keyboard) |
| 00:01.15 | OffHand | which iso should I pick if I wanna run a 32 bits system on my amd64 chip? |
| 00:01.17 | Vme | i have my NTFS drive in /mnt/media and I NFS mounted /mnt and when i CD into /mnt/media on the NFS client it is empty |
| 00:01.17 | AcuraX | I have a flash mp3 player are there ay utilities that i can sue to upload music? |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | !info keytouch etch |
| 00:01.30 | abrotman | or hotkeyse |
| 00:01.36 | jelly-home | Vme: that's not right |
| 00:01.36 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure the extra function keys of multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 417 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | hotkeys |
| 00:01.46 | jelly-home | Vme: you have to export /mnt/media. |
| 00:01.47 | nkuttler | AcuraX: usually you just mount it. probably depends on the device. |
| 00:01.53 | Vme | well |
| 00:01.56 | geo-rge | Vme: that you can do... you might want to back it up first |
| 00:02.09 | Vme | when i exported /mnt/media i get permissioned denied on the client |
| 00:02.12 | AcuraX | Alrite, no programs available though? |
| 00:02.24 | geo-rge | if you trust the thing you're copying everything to , then fine... go ahead on |
| 00:02.53 | jelly-home | Vme: yes, that's good. Now, have you used the fuse option to allow other users to access the filesystem when you mounted it? |
| 00:03.04 | infernix | the strangest thing... i overclocked my athlon64 in the bios (fsb to 230, multiplier at 10). when I boot memtest86+ it reports that the cpu speed is 2300mhz, but when I'm in linux, cat /proc/cpuinfo states it's running at 2000mhz. |
| 00:03.19 | Vme | jelly-home, in my /etc/fstab? |
| 00:03.24 | Vme | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/media ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 00:03.28 | infernix | anyone here with athlon64 overclocking experience on linux that has any idea? |
| 00:03.31 | Vme | in my /etc/exports: |
| 00:03.50 | Vme | ./mnt/media 192.168.20.98(rw,sync,no_root_squash,subtree_check) |
| 00:04.15 | Vme | do i need another option here? |
| 00:04.23 | streuner | man exports |
| 00:04.29 | jelly-home | Vme: in fstab, as it seems. append ",allow_other" to "defaults". Make sure no spaces are added |
| 00:04.38 | jelly-home | Vme: unmount, mount again. |
| 00:04.39 | Vme | k |
| 00:05.46 | jelly-home | and even then, it's anyone's guess whether a fuse filesystem will actually work with nfs. For some reason samba doesn't work. |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | infernix: it might get it from the CPU itself |
| 00:06.35 | pickcoder | infernix: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/3/29/150 |
| 00:06.48 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: check it out (granted I know I could have forged it.. but what would I gain?) http://pastebin.com/860898 |
| 00:06.51 | infernix | abrotman: it might. cpufreq states its at 200mhz as well. i could compare the bogomips value i guess, to make sure |
| 00:06.58 | AcuraX | My media device is FAT partition and it will not mount it, how do i specify an fat32 mount? |
| 00:07.33 | geo-rge | AcuraX: how are you trying to mount now? |
| 00:07.43 | AcuraX | The desktop and cmd line |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | !tell AcuraX about vfatrw |
| 00:07.54 | AcuraX | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 00:07.55 | infernix | pickcoder: thanks. |
| 00:07.58 | geo-rge | AcuraX: so show the command line |
| 00:07.59 | jelly-home | Vme: are both machines linux? |
| 00:08.42 | pickcoder | infernix: try dmidecode |
| 00:08.42 | AcuraX | root@box:/media/sda1# mount /dev/sda1 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error |
| 00:09.00 | jelly-home | Vme: if nfs doesn't work out, you can copy the files with rsync or use the tar & nc trick. |
| 00:09.22 | OffHand | hmmm what's up with the 22 iso's? |
| 00:09.25 | geo-rge | AcuraX: fdisk -l /dev/sda | wc -l |
| 00:09.33 | pickcoder | hmm.. looks like my Opteron is not running @ full-speed |
| 00:09.40 | pickcoder | according to dmidecode |
| 00:09.44 | AcuraX | the output was 10 |
| 00:09.57 | geo-rge | OffHand: if the cds are on the shelf above you, the cds would be up |
| 00:10.21 | OffHand | useful |
| 00:10.28 | AcuraX | fat16 it is |
| 00:10.28 | geo-rge | AcuraX: ok, take off the | wc -l and run it again and look at it... |
| 00:10.29 | AcuraX | :O |
| 00:10.40 | infernix | pickcoder: dmidecode reports it at the overclocked speed |
| 00:10.48 | pickcoder | then it's probably cpufreq |
| 00:11.00 | pickcoder | my opteron is max 3000Mhz running @ 2200 |
| 00:11.03 | Bogus8 | so could smbpasswd have gone some other place than /etc/samba ? |
| 00:11.04 | AcuraX | /dev/sda1 * 1 613 1019928 6 FAT16 Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(0, 0, 52) logical=(0, 1, 1) |
| 00:11.05 | pickcoder | I'm being jipped |
| 00:11.09 | Bogus8 | this is a etch testing net install |
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| 00:12.01 | geo-rge | AcuraX: I would think a vfat mount should work, but you can also try msdos |
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| 00:12.23 | geo-rge | (if you do that you'll only get 88888888.333 names |
| 00:12.33 | geo-rge | ) |
| 00:12.42 | infernix | pickcoder: oddly enough, when cpufreq switches to 1000mhz, dmidecode still reports it running at 2299mhz |
| 00:12.48 | OffHand | do I just pick one iso? |
| 00:13.17 | geo-rge | OffHand: well... if you have a nice fat net connection you don't need any of those... |
| 00:13.18 | liable | get the net inst or iso1 |
| 00:13.29 | OffHand | I like to have a cd |
| 00:13.35 | AcuraX | Got it |
| 00:13.46 | geo-rge | AcuraX: worked? |
| 00:13.52 | OffHand | so I'll pick the numer 1 iso like suggested |
| 00:13.55 | pickcoder | infernix: hm.. which kernel are you using? |
| 00:14.05 | AcuraX | Yes, thank you. |
| 00:14.26 | infernix | pickcoder: 2.6.19.1 |
| 00:15.27 | Bogus8 | quite frustrating that you guys would think that I'm trying to hack a lame samba server when I've spent the last week in here asking mundane questions about setting up my old laptop and my buddy's little server |
| 00:15.44 | Bogus8 | that's quite the investment to fool you guys *rolleyes* |
| 00:15.54 | geo-rge | OffHand: you could eventually get all 22, I guess... but then the question is are you going to use all that stuff and so was it a waste of time/bandwidth downloading it, etc |
| 00:16.15 | amphi | Bogus8: we know what you're up to... |
| 00:16.28 | Bogus8 | amphi: I hope that was sarcasm |
| 00:16.32 | OffHand | I just need the base setup |
| 00:16.39 | OffHand | geo-rge |
| 00:16.45 | geo-rge | yeah! you're up to about 5 feet 6! |
| 00:16.46 | Agrajag- | i seem to remember debian has some automated way of creating a self signed ssl certificate, but i can't remember how? |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
| 00:17.02 | OffHand | I can install the stuff I need later |
| 00:17.05 | geo-rge | OffHand: then go for the netinst |
| 00:17.06 | dondelelcaro | OffHand: so just get the netinst iso |
| 00:17.18 | OffHand | like I said, I like to have a cd |
| 00:17.27 | jelly-home | netinst is a cd |
| 00:17.29 | amphi | Bogus8: it was |
| 00:17.30 | geo-rge | OffHand: you'd have one |
| 00:17.44 | pickcoder | a small CD.. but a CD none-the-less |
| 00:17.55 | jelly-home | pickcoder: 12cm diameter like any other! |
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| 00:18.02 | geo-rge | besides... you already have a cd... the blank it would otherwise be written to! |
| 00:18.07 | pickcoder | size isn't always a factor of physical dimension |
| 00:18.09 | OffHand | I think the first cd would fit my needs best |
| 00:18.10 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 00:18.14 | Bogus8 | amphi: whew ;) I even pastebin'd the users logged on (which are 2 root accounts) and the ls -al of /etc/samba |
| 00:18.31 | jelly-home | pickcoder: next you'll tell it's the technique that matters |
| 00:18.47 | geo-rge | OffHand: you just told us your needs... and the netinst fits best... but,,, go for it if you want |
| 00:18.51 | pickcoder | nah.. it's the thought that counts |
| 00:18.51 | Bogus8 | if I can see that and that is where it is suppposed to be then why would I still be asking where is it? if it's not where it normally is? |
| 00:19.01 | geo-rge | it does have the installer and the base |
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| 00:19.37 | amphi | Bogus8: it's all a smokescreen to confuse us and lure us into being accomplices to your appalling enormities |
| 00:19.45 | Bogus8 | OffHand: I did net install... I prefer that because it starts you with a real BASE system and you only add what you need from there ;) |
| 00:19.54 | geo-rge | but having said that... you can start the installer with a floppy or two and never get the cds |
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| 00:20.15 | Bogus8 | amphi: yeah... OR I can't find where the hell this smbpasswd file is at |
| 00:20.35 | geo-rge | the floppy downloads the installer, the installer downloads the base |
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| 00:20.50 | pickcoder | you can also start it from a USB key and a PXE boot tftp service |
| 00:21.12 | geo-rge | I'd like to see that someday |
| 00:21.18 | geo-rge | the pxe thing |
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| 00:21.25 | amphi | Bogus8: find(1) ? |
| 00:21.27 | pickcoder | it's already out there if you look for it |
| 00:21.34 | pickcoder | <eg> |
| 00:21.39 | Bogus8 | amphi: I've done an updatedb and locate with no luck |
| 00:21.45 | Bogus8 | amphi: wouldn't that suffice? |
| 00:22.02 | geo-rge | you don't have find? |
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| 00:22.59 | amphi | Bogus8: should do; I'd trust find(1) as it actually looks at the disk when you run it |
| 00:23.00 | pickcoder | Bogus8: if you are root and locate doesn't find it then there isn't one |
| 00:23.00 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I'm sure I do.. but that is slower than locate |
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| 00:23.00 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: that is MY thoughts |
| 00:23.01 | geo-rge | Bogus8: because find looks thru your directories, locate scans an index |
| 00:23.01 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: so the question is where is samba keeping my user name that I keep sucessfuly adding and removing? |
| 00:23.13 | pickcoder | the next step would be to review the samba docs in /usr/share/ |
| 00:23.31 | Bogus8 | i'll do a find but usually as root updatedb and locate ussually work well |
| 00:23.40 | scruffy | Bogus8: optionally, run it through strace and look for the path |
| 00:24.00 | Bogus8 | scruffy: not familiar with strace but I'll look into it |
| 00:24.26 | pickcoder | scruffy: that's always fun.. the application may look in 20 different locations for it |
| 00:25.16 | scruffy | pickcoder: 20 answers is plenty I'd say :) |
| 00:25.30 | pickcoder | worst case scenario is you'll get a complete list of the default config paths |
| 00:25.33 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:26.02 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 00:26.08 | twobitsprite | why does the mysql-server package not install an init script? |
| 00:26.21 | twobitsprite | if it does, where the frick does it put it? |
| 00:26.33 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.39 | twobitsprite | azeem: don't see it |
| 00:26.57 | twobitsprite | I did a purge and reinstall... still nothing |
| 00:27.21 | abrotman | it actually belongs to mysql-server-<version-number> |
| 00:28.41 | twobitsprite | hmm... dpkg -L mysql-server-5.0 shows it, but it isn't there |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | did you purge/reinstall that package ? |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | or just mysql-server ? |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | !tell twobitsprite about confmiss |
| 00:29.57 | twobitsprite | ah ha... that might do it |
| 00:30.10 | jmd | How can I find out the version number of a kernel module? |
| 00:30.18 | amphi | jmd: modinfo |
| 00:30.22 | liable | modinfo |
| 00:30.50 | jmd | Thanks |
| 00:30.50 | twobitsprite | abrotman: sneaky |
| 00:30.55 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | not really |
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| 00:32.03 | Bogus8 | find didn't find it either... any other clues... this is quite silly |
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| 00:32.19 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: By any chance does your smb.conf have passdb backend = tdbsam |
| 00:32.25 | twobitsprite | btw... maybe this is me... but does anyone else think it might be a good idea to change the fact that "yes" is the default option when it's asking you it you really want to remove a package...? |
| 00:32.38 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: it has something like that let me look at it again |
| 00:32.46 | linux_jones | elric... why does that sound like i have heard it before |
| 00:32.50 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: Well there you go |
| 00:32.58 | abrotman | twobitsprite: shouldn't be a default at all :) |
| 00:33.05 | linux_jones | full metel |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | twobitsprite: you can file a bug |
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| 00:33.22 | twobitsprite | abrotman: maybe... at least default to no |
| 00:33.44 | twobitsprite | it's just scarry that if I type n<CR> in a hurry, and don't hit the N right... bam, too late |
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| 00:33.59 | azeem | twobitsprite: what are you doing again? |
| 00:34.07 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: I had seen that but I just assumed since it didn't give a path that that was maybe the "type" of storage or encryption to use on the smbpasswd file |
| 00:34.08 | twobitsprite | azeem: reinstalling mysql |
| 00:34.15 | amphi | twobitsprite: don't be reckless with your package manager ;) |
| 00:34.15 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: but then what does that meant? |
| 00:34.23 | liable | but if you have already said remove, then it should be the default action |
| 00:34.34 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: it's using the regular passwd file? |
| 00:35.11 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: Nope |
| 00:35.16 | Bogus8 | because I'm not seeing nothing new there |
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| 00:37.27 | jmd | Anyone know how to set up an ipw2200 module ? |
| 00:37.33 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: probably /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
| 00:37.39 | jmd | .. on a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:37.56 | dondelelcaro | jmd: m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 00:38.04 | liable | jmd: just get the firmware, and modprobe it |
| 00:38.19 | dondelelcaro | (or just use modprobe if the module has already been built) |
| 00:38.45 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: cool... guess I learned something new |
| 00:38.53 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: If you want the old behavior (not sure why) you can change the backend to smbpasswd |
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| 00:39.02 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: but it's definitely different looking than a normal smbpasswd file |
| 00:39.09 | bariel | http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/3731/blatx7.png ,is there any possibliity i can resize the extended partition? |
| 00:39.23 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: yeah I had assumed I could after realizing that was the pointer |
| 00:39.24 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: That's because it is not an ascii file |
| 00:39.27 | jmd | liable: The install do talks about having to setup hotplug, but surely that's for 2.4 kernels |
| 00:39.27 | Bogus8 | right |
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| 00:40.05 | liable | jmd: are you running etch? |
| 00:40.17 | jmd | liable: Yep |
| 00:40.26 | Bogus8 | I think he just has some creditial conflicts... he's loggin in as a different user than the one he's trying to connect with on the samba share but giving the user/pass and can see everything in there just can't add... where as with the same user/pass I can smblcient 127.0.0.1 inside the box and do anything |
| 00:40.38 | twobitsprite | amphi: yeah... I've broken my package database before... it's a pain... I was just being impatient and trying to quick fix something and ended up messing it up... |
| 00:40.40 | liable | jmd: udev should look after it. |
| 00:40.44 | jmd | dmesg shows request |
| 00:41.01 | jmd | "request firmware failed: Reason -2" |
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| 00:41.16 | jmd | liable: How can udev know where to find the firmware ? |
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| 00:41.30 | jmd | presumably I have to tell it somehow? |
| 00:41.34 | liable | jmd: oh, have you put the firmware in /lib/firmware? |
| 00:41.56 | jmd | Not yet. Is that where it should go ? |
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| 00:42.22 | liable | yes |
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| 00:44.12 | jmd | Can't it be configured somehow ? |
| 00:44.38 | liable | jmd: put the firmware in the right place, and it should work |
| 00:45.14 | Bogus8 | nothing unusual in the samba logs (under his laptops name) |
| 00:45.19 | kakalto | under debian, what package would enable slideshows in konqueror? |
| 00:45.20 | Bogus8 | only thing was a lot of [2007/01/16 19:45:13, 0] printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(159) |
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| 00:45.23 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.31 | Bogus8 | with a few sucessful log ins |
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| 00:49.24 | tonyb2006 | hi there |
| 00:49.34 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 00:49.46 | kakalto | hey |
| 00:50.23 | jmd | liable: OK. It's installed. and I've reloaded the module, but no difference. |
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| 00:51.31 | jmd | liable: The firmware's tarball unpacks to a directory called ipw2200-fw-3 Should it go down a level? |
| 00:51.50 | liable | jmd: have a read at the ipw site |
| 00:51.54 | liable | !ipw2200 |
| 00:51.54 | dpkg | ipw2200 is probably a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 00:52.38 | jmd | Yeah unfortunately the sf page assumes 2.4 kernels so isn't much help. |
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| 00:53.18 | liable | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 00:53.18 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2200 firmware was If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 00:53.46 | liable | jmd: you sure you have the right version? |
| 00:54.01 | Bogus8 | what I'm not understanding is he can READ from the samba share but can't write to it... and yes I have the config right... I copied it from one on my box that has been working for years |
| 00:54.16 | jmd | liable: I was right. It needs to go down one directory. |
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| 00:55.59 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: You can't have the config/permissions correct or else it would work |
| 00:56.46 | [Cadet] | read/can't write sounds like permissions to me |
| 00:56.58 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: I agree.. .I'm thinking he might have gone in on the user 's home share and not the share I set up... but its under the home so he might have browesed down that way... would htat screw it up... default is no write to the home |
| 00:57.07 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: I'm completely with you |
| 00:57.37 | Bogus8 | that sounded quite gay ;) |
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| 00:57.45 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: You must remember that no matter what is setup in samba the underlying permissions of the OS control access |
| 00:58.39 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: he went in to the home directory instead of the share set up as a sub directory.. so he started his samba session w/ RO perms ... whew.. driving me crazy |
| 00:58.54 | Bogus8 | but I"m im'ing with him and ssh'd in trying to fix it for hime :) |
| 00:59.23 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: thanks for your patience with me and listening to me so you knew I wasn't doing any "no good" ;) |
| 00:59.31 | [Cadet] | Bogus8: There is no such thing as starting a session with read only perms, did you read my statement above |
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| 01:00.23 | Bogus8 | [Cadet]: yes... you know how samba defaults? |
| 01:00.38 | Bogus8 | it defaults home directories to "writeable = no" |
| 01:00.38 | [Cadet] | Permissions can be restricted and/or granted using smb.conf but the permissions at the OS level cannot be overidden |
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| 01:01.03 | Bogus8 | I set a dir under that and put in the config for it with "writable = yes" but he didn't go into it |
| 01:01.21 | Bogus8 | he went into his home user share THEN moved down to the other dir. |
| 01:01.27 | Bogus8 | does that make sense? |
| 01:01.45 | jmd | liable: Seems to have given me a eth2 !! |
| 01:01.57 | Bogus8 | because he closed his window and then opened back up his browser to the server again and went into the shared folder and now it works |
| 01:02.09 | liable | jmd: whats wrong with that? |
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| 01:03.37 | jmd | liable: Nothing ... I don't think --- I would have expected eth1, and now I need to work out how to get an IP address assigned to that eth2 |
| 01:03.58 | liable | jmd: eth1 is prolly your ethernet |
| 01:05.03 | jmd | liable: I expect so. |
| 01:05.42 | liable | dunno where eth0 is.. |
| 01:06.04 | liable | you can write a udev rule to name it whatever you want if you like |
| 01:06.15 | jmd | Actually, I think eth0 is ethernet, eth1 is firewire. |
| 01:06.48 | jmd | Can I put this eth2 into /etc/network/interfaces, to get it configured by dhcp ? |
| 01:07.14 | liable | yes |
| 01:07.36 | jmd | What is sit0 ? |
| 01:07.59 | liable | related with ipv6, just ignore it |
| 01:08.05 | jmd | OK |
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| 01:08.46 | jmd | Well there doesn't seem to be any dhcp responses on eth2 |
| 01:09.19 | jmd | How can I tell if the wireless interface is working? |
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| 01:10.16 | liable | make sure its up (ifconfig eth2 up) then see what iwconfig says. have a read of man ifconfig and man iwconfig |
| 01:10.18 | liable | and man interfaces :) |
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| 01:10.25 | jmd | iwconfig says signal level = 0 |
| 01:10.46 | karmatro1ic | hi there |
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| 01:14.21 | dvs | Is it released yet... Is it released yet... It is released yet... *thwap!* ow! |
| 01:14.36 | devicenull | I've got a weird problem.. I installed apache2 a while ago, and now aptitude has seemingly forgotten that its installed |
| 01:14.46 | devicenull | I'm not sure if theres any way to fix this? |
| 01:15.09 | devicenull | I ultimately just want to remove apache2 so I'm tempted to just go delete everything I can find about it |
| 01:15.13 | mnuhmnuh | devicenull: how did you install it? |
| 01:15.21 | devicenull | apt-get install apache2 |
| 01:15.30 | devicenull | I know I should use aptitude install |
| 01:16.09 | linux_jones | what is the differance between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 01:16.23 | devicenull | aptitude has better dependency tracking, or so I'm told |
| 01:16.59 | mnuhmnuh | aptitude logs its actions too. |
| 01:17.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get is kinda like mostly for one package at a tiime... and iirc never was intended for the uses it now usually gets put to (or something like that) |
| 01:17.26 | jmd | liable: I can't set the channel to "auto" is that not supported ? |
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| 01:19.19 | devicenull | I removed it manually. |
| 01:19.19 | liable | jmd: i dont know, depends on the driver i guess. |
| 01:19.58 | devicenull | linux_jones, you can just replace apt-whatever in the commands you are used to with aptitude |
| 01:20.28 | mandingo | bleh |
| 01:20.29 | mandingo | go apt |
| 01:20.30 | mandingo | ! |
| 01:20.44 | mandingo | jetscreamer: that would be dpkg, not apt-get |
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| 01:21.16 | jetscreamer | dselect>* anyway |
| 01:21.24 | mandingo | EEEK! |
| 01:21.27 | mandingo | dselect is a POS |
| 01:21.37 | jetscreamer | no... the listing is. |
| 01:21.39 | mandingo | aptitude is basically a dselect replacement BECAUSE dselect is a POS |
| 01:21.47 | liable | ohnos |
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| 01:22.02 | linux_jones | i cant uninstall ndiswrapper |
| 01:22.02 | jetscreamer | if dselect had a collapsible tree everybody would love dselect |
| 01:22.12 | MikeTheC | Hello all... |
| 01:22.20 | mandingo | no wayyyy |
| 01:22.27 | mandingo | I'd rather apt-get install something anyways |
| 01:22.31 | mandingo | dselect is nasty |
| 01:22.36 | jetscreamer | sure why not. that's what everybody hates.. the listing. |
| 01:22.41 | jetscreamer | the internals are good |
| 01:22.44 | mandingo | never used aptitude. |
| 01:22.54 | jetscreamer | i used it when it first came out |
| 01:23.08 | jetscreamer | i did a --with-recommends --with-suggests ... |
| 01:23.10 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 01:23.16 | mandingo | I've seriously borked by repository as well with dselect (a LOOONNG time ago when I first started using debian) |
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| 01:23.19 | jetscreamer | i thin they took one of those out now |
| 01:23.21 | jetscreamer | think |
| 01:23.25 | MikeTheC | Got a question about installing ATI drivers for an old beige G3 Mac. I've searched the 'net and really can't find anything specific. Are there any suggestions? |
| 01:23.30 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 01:23.39 | jetscreamer | yeah you're right the repoportion sucks too |
| 01:23.45 | jetscreamer | err repo portion |
| 01:23.52 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: you mean you re trying to install X? |
| 01:24.20 | jetscreamer | but.. i've seen dselect resolve dependencies with apt-get -f install or aptitude couldn't |
| 01:24.37 | jetscreamer | s/with/when/ |
| 01:24.46 | MikeTheC | No, I've got X up and running. It's just it's using (my guess) a basic video driver, and in GUI the thing artifacts interface objects, etc., all over the freakin' place. |
| 01:25.12 | edju | Just received a security announcement labelled xfreee86, but the package referenced is xorg-server, which doesn't exist I don't think - at least apt cache policy can't find it.. And, I thought xorg was _not_ xfree86. What am I missing here? |
| 01:25.21 | MikeTheC | I've looked through AT/AMD's site and found nothing. I've tried telling apt-get to install it. |
| 01:25.28 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: allright i m checking |
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| 01:25.54 | MikeTheC | karmatro1ic: Thanks. Even a URL to a useful howto would be cool. |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | MikeTheC: which driver are you using ? |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:26.32 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:26.37 | MikeTheC | abrotman: Not exactly sure, to be honest. |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | MikeTheC: the artifacts are from the mouse ? |
| 01:26.50 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: i ve got a XF86 config file using ati |
| 01:27.01 | MikeTheC | No, window objects. |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:27.11 | mnuhmnuh | edju: xorg is a fork of xfree86. sarge == xfree, etch/sid == xorg |
| 01:27.29 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: and running on an olg G3 Mac (blueberry or something like that) |
| 01:27.39 | MikeTheC | I know it's a stupid question, but how do I call up info on the video driver? |
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| 01:27.52 | abrotman | the log |
| 01:27.55 | MikeTheC | karmatro1ic: No, it pre-dates that. It's an OldWorldROM "Beige" G3. |
| 01:27.59 | netdaemon | does debian include all filesystem's in it's initrd? |
| 01:28.04 | edju | mnuhmnuh, So xorg-server is a part of xfree96? |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | MikeTheC: from like 1984 ? |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | netdaemon: i don't think so |
| 01:28.19 | MikeTheC | Yeah, more-or-less. |
| 01:28.24 | jetscreamer | most if not all |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | MikeTheC: 84? :) |
| 01:28.32 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: cool! |
| 01:28.50 | jelly-home | there were no PPCs in '84 |
| 01:28.53 | MikeTheC | The original iMacs and Blue-n-White G3s of circa 1998 began the "NewWorldROM" era. |
| 01:29.05 | mnuhmnuh | edju: fork! licencing probs. see xstrikeforce on wiki.debian.net |
| 01:29.28 | netdaemon | abrotman: where is the config so i can add a filesystem module? |
| 01:29.41 | jetscreamer | that's not how it works netdaemon |
| 01:29.43 | MikeTheC | So, like, on a modern Mac (forgetting about the x86 ones out now) you could actually stick in a PPC distro CD, reboot, hold the "C" key down, and it would boot from it. |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | in /etc/ somewhere .. i think mkinitrd.conf or simliar |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | netdaemon: you'd have to redo the initrd though .. which one are you missing ? |
| 01:30.11 | jetscreamer | well you need the module compiled i mean |
| 01:30.12 | MikeTheC | But OldWorldROM Macs use a utility called BootX. |
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| 01:31.26 | MikeTheC | The MB won't let you boot anything other than an Apple OS on it. So the strategy is to go ahead and boot into Mac OS, and then either during boot or afterwards (your choice), shit-can everything out of RAM after loading a ramdisk and a kernel, and then load it all over again. |
| 01:31.31 | MikeTheC | it = Linux |
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| 01:31.40 | MikeTheC | It's a kludge, but it works. |
| 01:31.42 | karmatro1ic | anyway , here s the XF86config file i used in the past,maybe -i insisit maybe-it will help |
| 01:31.45 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: http://pastebin.com/860951 |
| 01:32.12 | netdaemon | abrotman: i just want to add the jfs module so i can just tar up all my stuff and convert the filesystem, then untar |
| 01:32.14 | jetscreamer | actually the config for 2.6.18-3 seems to have all y's and m's in the fs sections |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | JFS should be there |
| 01:32.30 | jetscreamer | jfs is in there |
| 01:32.35 | netdaemon | is it a y or an m though |
| 01:32.59 | cb | hmmm xine won´t read my M.A.S.H-dvd´s what a crap it tells me they are encrypted... |
| 01:32.59 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_JFS_FS=m |
| 01:33.05 | jetscreamer | cb |
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| 01:33.11 | unseensoul | hi |
| 01:33.11 | jetscreamer | you need libdvdcss2 |
| 01:33.17 | karmatro1ic | cb: yeah |
| 01:33.22 | jetscreamer | it's on marillat |
| 01:33.26 | netdaemon | then i need that initrd config file so i can remake it =) |
| 01:33.32 | cb | No candidate version found for libdvdcss |
| 01:33.32 | jetscreamer | !tell cb -about marillat |
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| 01:33.41 | cb | thx |
| 01:34.02 | jelly-home | cb: also, try vlc. Sometimes it works better for me than xine. |
| 01:34.04 | MikeTheC | karmatro1ic: So, just change that config file? Am I to assume the driver got installed during installation? |
| 01:34.43 | cb | i also tried mplayer but that gives me an error that it cant find the codec so i tried xine |
| 01:34.46 | unseensoul | i installed sun-java5-jre and i can't load any java app |
| 01:34.50 | unseensoul | how can i solve this? |
| 01:34.51 | jetscreamer | xine-ui doesn't fail me |
| 01:34.56 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: well ,back up all X config file :) |
| 01:34.56 | jetscreamer | neither does mplayer |
| 01:35.01 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 01:35.13 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: mplayer has no dvd menu support |
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| 01:36.20 | karmatro1ic | MikeTheC: you can also check /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video |
| 01:37.31 | MikeTheC | Hmm... According to the XF86Config-4 file, it's identified the "device" as an ATI Rage Pro. |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | lspci might help |
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| 01:38.08 | abrotman | and which driver are you using ? |
| 01:38.25 | netdaemon | alright found the file.../etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 01:38.34 | netdaemon | MODULES=most |
| 01:38.47 | netdaemon | can i add multiple entries to that line? |
| 01:39.18 | netdaemon | wait... |
| 01:39.41 | netdaemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.48 | netdaemon | i should be fine then =) |
| 01:39.52 | MikeTheC | hmm... just returns result of 2.6.8-powerpc |
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| 01:40.26 | cb | fine it works :-) so i can view the last dvd of episode 8 :-) |
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| 01:41.36 | MikeTheC | Is/was the ATI driver something which was made into open-source? |
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| 01:42.45 | abrotman | not by ati |
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| 01:42.50 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:42.51 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:42.58 | brainly-green | what's a good channel for general web hosting questions? |
| 01:42.59 | karmatro1ic | back |
| 01:43.00 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:44.43 | MikeTheC | alright, well thanks anyhow, guys. have a good one. |
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| 01:44.59 | karmatro1ic | OK |
| 01:45.17 | brainly-green | I'm looking for a hosting provider that allows you to script with whatever language you want |
| 01:45.55 | jmd | When I do iwconfig, I'm told that the signal level is 0 but iwlist shows -56dbm Is there something I have to do to tell the interfacae to use the right cell or what ? |
| 01:46.47 | sparr | im trying to go into admin mode for printers in the dke control panel and its rejecting my root password as incorrect. help? |
| 01:47.49 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 01:47.58 | Dewi | sparr: maybe it has its own password system |
| 01:48.06 | sparr | Dewi: then what would it be? |
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| 01:48.30 | Dewi | sparr: I don't know what dke is, so I can't really help you |
| 01:48.31 | NetGangsta | adduser lol;passwd lol;lol123 |
| 01:48.37 | NetGangsta | someone got something like that to work? |
| 01:48.43 | NetGangsta | my ssh login dont work so I wanna use HyperVM Command Center |
| 01:48.49 | sparr | Dewi: err, kde |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 01:48.52 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: I've seen the same in gnome, and it explains why I use neither. :-P |
| 01:48.52 | NetGangsta | and I need a cmd to add user and add passwd eazy |
| 01:49.05 | sparr | mnuhmnuh: just another reason its time to reformat this machine |
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| 01:49.12 | abrotman | NetGangsta: man adduser |
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| 01:50.08 | jelly-home | NetGangsta: you can use usermod -p to set the password |
| 01:50.16 | Dewi | sparr: I wonder what printing system you're using there |
| 01:50.27 | Dewi | sparr: like is it 'cups'... |
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| 01:51.00 | sparr | Dewi: it fails regardless of printing system |
| 01:51.00 | jelly-home | NetGangsta: note that it has to be already in the format returned by crypt(3), like tha man page says |
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| 01:52.04 | Dewi | sparr: your root password fails for all systems to do with printing but works for other things? That seems... odd |
| 01:52.25 | jelly-home | or cups is misbehaving. |
| 01:52.51 | jelly-home | oh, sorry, haven't read everything above |
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| 01:53.06 | sparr | Dewi: very, i tend to not speak up about things that are not... odd |
| 01:53.11 | yungknight | is there some configuration that needs to be done to get email clients like outlook to work with sarge + postfix |
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| 01:53.12 | yungknight | ? |
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| 01:53.52 | sparr | yungknight: would you consider getting rid of outlook to be 'configuration'? |
| 01:54.08 | Dewi | sparr: I'm just saying that you need to figure out what exactly your problem is with - "printers in general in KDE" isn't a goldmine of information |
| 01:54.10 | yungknight | sparr: yea. i don't mind a web based alternative. |
| 01:54.22 | jelly-home | yungknight: what doesn't work? |
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| 01:54.29 | yungknight | squirrelmail can't work |
| 01:54.40 | Ronin | yungknight: why not? |
| 01:54.45 | Dewi | yungknight: outlook works okay for me with dovecot/postfix |
| 01:54.56 | sparr | Dewi: meh, its all i got |
| 01:54.58 | Dewi | yungknight: are you using postfix for IMAP/POP or something else? |
| 01:55.11 | jelly-home | postfix for imap/pop ?? |
| 01:55.12 | yungknight | jelly-home: the passwords aren't allowing me to login |
| 01:55.23 | Dewi | sparr: what executable are you running to get into this control panel that's causing problems? |
| 01:55.25 | yungknight | Ronin: cuz squirrelmail needs imap |
| 01:55.30 | yungknight | i have pop |
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| 01:55.53 | Dewi | yungknight: hmm |
| 01:56.07 | Dewi | yungknight: what are you running that supports POP but not IMAP? |
| 01:56.26 | yungknight | Dewi: nothing. that's why i'm wondering if i should just put on imap |
| 01:56.38 | Dewi | yungknight: so you don't have POP either? |
| 01:56.41 | yungknight | well i use pine on the server |
| 01:56.44 | yungknight | yea i have pop |
| 01:56.48 | Dewi | yungknight: it's difficult for us to help you if we don't know what server you are running |
| 01:56.49 | jelly-home | yungknight: what pop server are you using? |
| 01:57.01 | yungknight | ipopd |
| 01:57.09 | yungknight | if that's what it's called |
| 01:57.15 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 01:57.28 | jelly-home | uw-imap's ugly child |
| 01:57.35 | Dewi | yungknight: well, you're unlikely to find a web-based solution that uses pop |
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| 01:57.50 | yungknight | this is what i get if i try to telnet port 110 |
| 01:57.51 | yungknight | -ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command |
| 01:57.51 | Dewi | yungknight: I mean, you might, but web-based and IMAP suit each other much better |
| 01:58.17 | yungknight | that's the error i get if i try to login with 'user yungknight' |
| 01:59.00 | jelly-home | yungknight: read /usr/share/doc/ipopd/README.Debian |
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| 01:59.14 | jelly-home | yungknight: especially the part that says As mentioned in /usr/share/doc/libc-client2002edebian/README.Debian, c-client now |
| 01:59.14 | jelly-home | disallows plaintext logins by default. |
| 01:59.31 | yungknight | oh oh |
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| 01:59.51 | jelly-home | yungknight: if you don't have good reason for running uw software, I'd suggest installing dovecot instead |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | or anything else :) |
| 02:00.15 | dvs | no courier! |
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| 02:00.58 | yungknight | jelly-home: by uw you mean? |
| 02:00.59 | Dewi | yeah, install dovecot and get both POP and IMAP quite easily. |
| 02:01.07 | geo-rge | said the modem |
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| 02:01.28 | geo-rge | ioun%#%$#&%#$% NO COURIER |
| 02:01.30 | Dewi | yungknight: UW is the project that made your POP daemon |
| 02:01.37 | jelly-home | yungknight: I mean ipopd and/or uw-imapd. |
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| 02:01.49 | dvs | geo-rge: That's "CARRIER" ;-) |
| 02:02.16 | yungknight | oh ok. well dovecot seems like a good solution since i was about to ask how could i get both pop and imap running |
| 02:02.22 | Dewi | geo-rge: I find that offensive |
| 02:02.30 | jelly-home | No Courier, using Vera Sans Mono here. |
| 02:02.40 | geo-rge | Dewi: why |
| 02:03.21 | Dewi | geo-rge: um... good question |
| 02:03.24 | Dewi | geo-rge: hmm |
| 02:03.28 | Christoph_vW | looks like it doesn't work with generic ide driver (for JMicron) |
| 02:03.41 | Christoph_vW | and my NIC is unsupported too (Marvell Yukon) |
| 02:03.43 | Dewi | geo-rge: because my parents died in a horrific modem carrier loss accident! |
| 02:04.35 | Christoph_vW | great... gcc isn't working on Vista and Linux isn't working on my computer :( |
| 02:04.42 | dvs | Dewi: Must have been a Zoom modem. |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | ming! |
| 02:05.21 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: Linux not working on your computer ? |
| 02:05.33 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: a little vague |
| 02:05.54 | Christoph_vW | IDE controller and NIC are not supported |
| 02:06.10 | dvs | ChanServ: wireless NIC? |
| 02:06.13 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: sure ? |
| 02:06.26 | Christoph_vW | dvs: no |
| 02:06.49 | Christoph_vW | the NIC should work with the sky2 driver - but it doesn't recognize it by default |
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| 02:06.52 | dvs | Christoph_vW: the chipset I'd believe but a wired NIC? That's hard to believe |
| 02:07.08 | Dewi | Christoph_vW: IDE really? Or SATA? |
| 02:07.09 | Christoph_vW | Marvell Yukon PCIe Gigabit NIC |
| 02:07.15 | Christoph_vW | JMicron IDE |
| 02:07.42 | Dewi | my marvell NICs work okay but they aren't PCIe |
| 02:07.43 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: Marvell Yukon PCIe is supported by sk98lin and skge |
| 02:07.46 | jelly-home | Christoph_vW: etch installer? |
| 02:07.57 | Christoph_vW | I tried the testing ISO |
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| 02:08.14 | Christoph_vW | afaik sk98lin isn't supported by new kernels anymore |
| 02:08.42 | Christoph_vW | the JMicron is IDE + S-ATA2 |
| 02:08.42 | mmlj4 | ok, how do I run testing, and get completely away from stable? |
| 02:08.59 | Christoph_vW | but it is the only IDE controller I have (onboard) |
| 02:09.00 | dvs | !tell mmlj4 -about sarge->etch |
| 02:09.11 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW:anyway , your JMIcron is definitely indicated as incompatible so.... |
| 02:09.22 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: why did you buy that ? |
| 02:09.48 | mmlj4 | danke |
| 02:10.02 | Christoph_vW | because I wanted to have a mainboard with ICH8R |
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| 02:10.16 | Christoph_vW | I need a fast and stable computer |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | nevermind the other broken parts :) |
| 02:10.50 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: hum, saw a report that somebody managed to make it work.... |
| 02:10.56 | karmatro1ic | Christoph_vW: so there s still hope |
| 02:11.05 | Christoph_vW | yes, with a S-ATA DVD drive |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | is that the one tha tneeds 2.6.19+ ? |
| 02:11.23 | brainly-green | d |
| 02:11.32 | Christoph_vW | > 2.6.18.2 |
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| 02:11.53 | brainly-green | prozen foon |
| 02:12.00 | FrozenSpoon | werd |
| 02:12.39 | Christoph_vW | I found some hints for installing Gentoo here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/ASUS_P5B_Deluxe |
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| 02:13.59 | FrozenSpoon | I have .gz file that is corrupted. Is there any way to salvage some data? searching google for "gzip repair" was surprisingly unhelpful |
| 02:14.03 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 02:14.04 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 02:14.25 | Guerin | FrozenSpoon: ↑ there's an installer there with 2.6.19rc3 |
| 02:14.33 | Guerin | or possibly even newer |
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| 02:14.49 | brainly-green | a frozen spoon |
| 02:15.05 | geo-rge | Guerin: maybe Christoph_vW can use that |
| 02:15.11 | Guerin | FrozenSpoon: unlikely. |
| 02:15.15 | Christoph_vW | where can I get it? |
| 02:15.15 | Guerin | geo-rge: that was the idea |
| 02:15.24 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: pay attention. |
| 02:15.25 | neoalex | hi, guys I have a problem, I'm not getting an ip from my dhcp server on a debian |
| 02:15.38 | jelly-home | FrozenSpoon: how big is it? |
| 02:15.41 | Guerin | neoalex: what command are you using? |
| 02:15.54 | neoalex | tried pump, dhclient, udhcpc |
| 02:16.10 | FrozenSpoon | 80KB gzip file, probably ~1.5MB uncompressed text file |
| 02:16.14 | Guerin | neoalex: post output to paster; and what dhcp server is it? |
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| 02:16.38 | neoalex | it's a linksys router |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: IIRC . there's a repair option |
| 02:16.50 | jetscreamer | it's probably a lack of auto eth0 in interfaces |
| 02:17.04 | Guerin | jetscreamer: not if he's manually used pump, etc, without joy |
| 02:17.10 | dosnlinux | anyone familiar with the differences between Debian's acpid and The normal one? |
| 02:17.19 | FrozenSpoon | abrotman- mmm, my gzip man page doesn't seem to mention one |
| 02:17.22 | Guerin | dosnlinux: there will be a changelog. |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | maybe that was unzip |
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| 02:18.39 | neoalex | http://pastebin.ca/319165 |
| 02:19.01 | FrozenSpoon | ah, zcat seemed to work. And it appears mostly okay. |
| 02:19.04 | neoalex | Guerin: it's a linskys wrtp54g router to be exact |
| 02:19.16 | myesterious | hi |
| 02:19.32 | jetscreamer | p? what's the p for |
| 02:19.36 | neoalex | but I have other linux machines which get the address from it ok, so I doubt that's the problem |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | zcat will .. it doesn't care if it's broken |
| 02:19.42 | dosnlinux | Guerin: thanks |
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| 02:19.58 | jelly-home | FrozenSpoon: I assume you did read http://www.gzip.org/recover.txt |
| 02:19.59 | myesterious | Is there anyone using Emacs or XEmacs ? |
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| 02:20.12 | Ronin | myesterious: im sure many do |
| 02:20.43 | mnuhmnuh | RMS does. :-) |
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| 02:20.55 | geo-rge | myesterious: there are presently 654645.765765 people using emacs |
| 02:21.16 | myesterious | I am using XEmacs for JAVA coding but I want the systax highlight mode like Emacs. |
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| 02:21.23 | FrozenSpoon | jelly-home: yeah that didn't really work in my case though. It was giving an 'unexpected end' error and that caused it not to write anything at all |
| 02:21.34 | myesterious | So ,how can i do ? |
| 02:21.34 | jetscreamer | i'm part of the .765765.. i accidentally installed some emacs thing |
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| 02:21.59 | Guerin | neoalex: what output does dhclient eth1; yield? |
| 02:22.19 | Guerin | neoalex: i'm not familiar with udhcpc |
| 02:22.27 | myesterious | I am meaning just "color" ,cuz i like all color of syntax highlight of Emacs and want to use with XEmacs. |
| 02:22.28 | Guerin | emacs is the win! |
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| 02:22.44 | liable | pffft |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | dows of editors |
| 02:22.56 | Guerin | myesterious: why are you using xemacs instead of gnu emacs? |
| 02:22.57 | FrozenSpoon | Looks like zcat got about 80%. Oh well, wasn't too important, so I'll go with it. |
| 02:23.00 | jelly-home | FrozenSpoon: funny how zcat works and gzip didn't, considering they're the same thing, hardlinked. |
| 02:23.02 | neoalex | they're both they're, after the empty line, there's the dhclient output |
| 02:23.04 | mnuhmnuh | myesterious: don't use xemacs, or find out why java mode in xemacs is different. |
| 02:23.11 | Guerin | abrotman: quelle vidiot |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | Guerin: don't make me ban .no! |
| 02:23.20 | myesterious | I am feeling XEmacs is easier than Emacs. |
| 02:23.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:23.32 | Guerin | myesterious: ok, that ain't right. |
| 02:23.37 | liable | dont tell me they gave abrotman ops! |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | liable: not in this channel |
| 02:23.56 | liable | phew :P |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | that i know of anyways |
| 02:24.11 | jetscreamer | !give ops to abrotman ! |
| 02:24.14 | Guerin | abrotman: ban everyone from .no except tore and i think the problem will solve itself |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | !beer the ops that have a difficult job |
| 02:24.36 | myesterious | First time for me is Emacs, but yesterday I cannot config any on Emacs (its always back to default config) I switch to XEamcs and this problem is go away. |
| 02:24.48 | Guerin | myesterious: you realise gnu emacs works in X too, right? That xemacs isn't called xemacs because it's the only one to work in x? |
| 02:24.54 | abrotman | Guerin: problem being that not everyone with a .no is involved |
| 02:25.01 | mnuhmnuh | jelly-home: tar's writing to fs. zcat has no such prob. |
| 02:25.31 | jetscreamer | kill em all and let god sort em out abrotman !!! (j/k) |
| 02:25.47 | abrotman | god doesn't let nords into heaven |
| 02:25.56 | dvs | heh |
| 02:26.00 | jelly-home | mnuhmnuh: (ssuming s/tar/gzip/) yeah. but gzip -d < foo > bar maybe... |
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| 02:26.21 | myesterious | I am sorry, I dont know why did Emacs used more than XEmacs ? |
| 02:26.21 | FrozenSpoon | jelly-home: you're right. apparently doing 'gunzip file.gz' doesn't work, but 'gunzip < file.gz' does the same thing as zcat |
| 02:26.24 | Guerin | myesterious: anyway, I suggest you ask in #emacs |
| 02:26.39 | Guerin | myesterious: huh? |
| 02:26.58 | FrozenSpoon | must have missed that detail |
| 02:28.17 | mnuhmnuh | jelly-home: yes, sorry. zcat doesn't have to be careful. tar does. |
| 02:28.41 | jelly-home | FrozenSpoon: how did you corrupt the file, ftp maybe? |
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| 02:29.07 | FrozenSpoon | I think it's simply truncated. |
| 02:29.18 | myesterious | anyway, Thanks all suggestions :)) |
| 02:29.55 | jelly-home | FrozenSpoon: ah |
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| 02:30.43 | neoalex | Guerin: in case you missed it, here's the output from dhclient: http://pastebin.ca/319173 |
| 02:31.25 | liable | is the cable lugged in? |
| 02:31.33 | Guerin | yeh, that looks like hardware to em |
| 02:31.35 | dvs | lugged? ;-) |
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| 02:32.18 | neoalex | it is... not that dumb |
| 02:32.20 | neoalex | thank god |
| 02:32.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:32.43 | liable | actually, mine doesnt give that error even without the cable or the iface being up |
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| 02:33.03 | liable | iptables? |
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| 02:33.22 | neoalex | iptables - ?? |
| 02:33.28 | Guerin | neoalex: it should give DHCPDISCOVER lines periodically with no error messages between |
| 02:33.32 | liable | firewall |
| 02:33.42 | Guerin | so I'd say something is preventing the dhcp client from reaching the server |
| 02:33.55 | stoned | I hate dhcp |
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| 02:34.05 | dvs | stoned: hi! |
| 02:34.08 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 02:34.10 | jelly-home | I hate papa Smurf |
| 02:34.11 | stoned | whassup |
| 02:34.16 | neoalex | like what? |
| 02:34.22 | neoalex | no firewall in between |
| 02:34.24 | dvs | stoned: People up here are suing Dell! |
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| 02:34.41 | stoned | dvs go for it. I milked dell for enough cash.. I'm out now |
| 02:34.49 | liable | neoalex: got a spare cable? |
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| 02:34.50 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 02:35.00 | dvs | stoned: but do you have a job of some sort? |
| 02:35.02 | Guerin | neoalex: any output from iptables -v -n -l? |
| 02:35.04 | stoned | I didn't go to work for 3 weeks almost, I just went the got a doctors note, and I STILL got paid like 3 grand |
| 02:35.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: how can you hate Papa ? |
| 02:35.51 | curt_ | how do you set users passwords in the default exim4 debain (etch) install, The system users don't seem to be authenticating.. |
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| 02:35.51 | stoned | dvs, nah, I don't work anymore |
| 02:35.51 | neoalex | yeah... several, tried that too... plus it works fine if I set the ip static |
| 02:35.51 | Guerin | -L i mean |
| 02:35.51 | stoned | dvs, moving donw south, gonna work there... next month |
| 02:35.51 | e1z0 | :-O~~~~~~~~ |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | curt_: that was nice .. i read 'set' as 'eat' |
| 02:35.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: I hate the hating. |
| 02:35.52 | dvs | stoned: Florida? |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: Papa is a hater ? |
| 02:35.52 | curt_ | * i never ask if i haven't looked first... |
| 02:35.52 | stoned | few states over dvs |
| 02:35.52 | curt_ | abrotman, hehe |
| 02:35.52 | liable | neoalex: okie, try dhclient3 or pump and see if the same problem |
| 02:35.52 | stoned | dvs, texas |
| 02:35.56 | dvs | hee haw! |
| 02:36.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: dunno, but I believe he was a Rolling Stone |
| 02:36.03 | stoned | fuck yeah dude |
| 02:36.06 | abrotman | dvs: eh ? |
| 02:36.06 | neoalex | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 02:36.08 | jetscreamer | hee haw was in tennesee |
| 02:36.08 | neoalex | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 02:36.09 | stoned | I love southerners |
| 02:36.11 | dvs | stoned: Oh? Moving to the headquarters? ;-) |
| 02:36.17 | Guerin | neoalex: so it's not that, then :) |
| 02:36.20 | neoalex | tried pump... same thing |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: where do smurfs come from ? |
| 02:36.30 | jetscreamer | from papa smurf |
| 02:36.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: Trust me you don't wanna know! |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | no .. really |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | damn asexual smurfs |
| 02:36.52 | liable | neoalex: see what ethereal or tcpdump says |
| 02:36.53 | stoned | northerns are too stuck up, east coast is full of assholes, west coast is ful of morons and homos, in the souther middle is where its at |
| 02:36.55 | stoned | j/k |
| 02:36.56 | Guerin | jelly-home: wherever he laid his little floppy white hat was home |
| 02:37.18 | dvs | stoned: We're not stuck up! ;-) |
| 02:37.26 | stoned | dvs, well, you're not |
| 02:37.27 | stoned | :) |
| 02:37.31 | dvs | thx |
| 02:37.31 | jmd | Is there a way to force a USB device to register ? |
| 02:37.49 | neoalex | liable: I don't have any of those on the device, and it's way to small and slow to put one now |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | erm .. i meant hermaphrodites :) |
| 02:38.01 | liable | neoalex: oh |
| 02:38.03 | neoalex | 400 Mhz ARM running off a 256 SD |
| 02:38.08 | stoned | dvs, see we have dumb rednecks here in the south. I like it here, because I can be god among idiots... I'm smarter than them |
| 02:38.09 | stoned | lol |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | sometimes i just don't pay attention to the crap that comes out of my mouth :) |
| 02:38.13 | stoned | I'm only kiddin lol |
| 02:38.21 | neoalex | I could put one somewhere else on the network right? |
| 02:38.23 | dvs | hahahahhahahha |
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| 02:38.40 | curt_ | abrotman, you been drinking again? |
| 02:38.51 | stoned | I need some drinkies |
| 02:38.51 | neoalex | I mean dhcp requests go to everyone, should catch it if it's there |
| 02:38.56 | abrotman | curt_: not today |
| 02:38.59 | liable | neoalex: yeah |
| 02:39.08 | stoned | on my router I have static dhcp setup with MAC ids for my entire lan |
| 02:39.09 | netdaemon | ah, the /dev and /proc directories are created automagicly by the system on boot, right? |
| 02:39.10 | Guerin | neoalex: can you bring the iface up manually? on a static ip? |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | curt_: what's your question ? |
| 02:39.24 | neoalex | yes Guerin... works fine |
| 02:39.24 | curt_ | abrotman, I thought that the default answer was , YES DAMN IT!!! |
| 02:39.28 | Guerin | neoalex: weird. |
| 02:39.30 | netdaemon | the actual directories, not their contents |
| 02:39.39 | neoalex | tell me about it |
| 02:39.40 | stoned | I do system installs and other junk all the time. I can't have each node being an ip I can't recall |
| 02:39.53 | stoned | so.. static dhcp solves it for me |
| 02:40.00 | stoned | I still hate dhcp though. Stupid protocol |
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| 02:40.06 | curt_ | abrotman, my real ? was about exim4, but I will go read some more... |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | curt_: normally it is /etc/passwd |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | curt_: unless you change something |
| 02:40.43 | stoned | abrotman, recorded yet bro? |
| 02:40.48 | nse | hello. how can i remove a directory and all its contents with rm? |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | nse: help rm |
| 02:41.06 | dvs | help? |
| 02:41.07 | Guerin | or rm --help |
| 02:41.24 | Guerin | or even if you just google your question ... |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | stoned: i need you to record something! :) |
| 02:41.46 | liable | !be a googling barbie |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | Aww, googling is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 02:41.56 | stoned | abrotman, I check my last log yesterday I think I joined in here and you said something about you recording a song or something |
| 02:42.10 | neoalex | what am I looking for on the tcpdump? |
| 02:42.18 | jetscreamer | don't be a dick barbie |
| 02:42.20 | stoned | abrotman, what do you need? |
| 02:42.25 | nse | great, it is: rm -rf |
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| 02:42.36 | liable | neoalex: first the broadcast packets, then a response if any, from the server |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | stoned: i have stuff somewhere .. too bad that server is firewalled off from the internet .. making it .. *not* a server |
| 02:42.56 | neoalex | how would the broadcast packets look like? |
| 02:43.20 | Guerin | nse: suck and see |
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| 02:43.44 | liable | neoalex: from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:43.46 | jetscreamer | guess i'll go kill ppl |
| 02:43.59 | jetscreamer | virtually |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: start at the ranch |
| 02:44.02 | dvs | awwww |
| 02:44.08 | netdaemon | hrm.... |
| 02:44.10 | neoalex | nothing like that liable |
| 02:44.10 | dvs | in crawford? |
| 02:44.16 | netdaemon | where does debian keep it's package cache? |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | please :) |
| 02:44.20 | neoalex | so I guess the device isn't sending any requests |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | netdaemon: /var/cache/apt/archive/ |
| 02:44.29 | jetscreamer | /var/apt/cache... nm |
| 02:44.38 | liable | neoalex: so i guess the packets arent making it out of the iface |
| 02:44.49 | liable | neoalex: you sure you have no iptables rules? |
| 02:44.59 | neoalex | which is weird since it works fine in static |
| 02:45.01 | netdaemon | when i do aptitude update, the file lists it downloads and the database.... |
| 02:45.02 | netdaemon | are they all in /var/cache/apt? |
| 02:45.05 | neoalex | nothing... no iptables at all |
| 02:45.15 | stoned | abrotman, u sed u wuz gunna rec sumthin |
| 02:45.22 | stoned | or me |
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| 02:45.29 | stoned | i dunno im confuzzled |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | y lst yr vwls |
| 02:46.13 | stoned | i know |
| 02:46.23 | stoned | i was trying something different |
| 02:46.31 | stoned | did not work :) |
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| 02:48.13 | Ronin | too many beers tonight abrotman ? :) |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | stoned: by the way .. that was very hard to type :) |
| 02:48.43 | stoned | i know me too I had to think about it |
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| 02:49.23 | netdaemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.26 | netdaemon | wee =D |
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| 02:51.35 | asas | micro$oft windows is the best operating system in the world |
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| 02:51.44 | abrotman | is tha tall ? |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | that all ? |
| 02:51.50 | asas | no |
| 02:51.53 | asas | i was joking |
| 02:51.56 | asas | debian is the best |
| 02:52.01 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 02:52.03 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 02:52.03 | ice_1963 | ok :) |
| 02:52.05 | asas | i'm using debian for my web server |
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| 02:52.10 | asas | why debian sucks? |
| 02:52.13 | asas | stoned sucks |
| 02:52.14 | stoned | I dunno |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:52.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 02:52.17 | Ronin | and learn how to troll |
| 02:52.18 | asas | but debian is the best |
| 02:52.24 | stoned | I just felt like saying it. you should stop hitting ent... |
| 02:52.27 | stoned | nm |
| 02:52.39 | deb_noob | My computer has now shutdown twice while watching youtube videos. Why is that? |
| 02:52.40 | asas | dfg+ |
| 02:52.41 | asas | dfg |
| 02:52.41 | asas | dg |
| 02:52.41 | asas | tyu |
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| 02:52.45 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:52.58 | Ronin | oh please , there must be an @ awake :) |
| 02:53.00 | stoned | deb_noob, hmm... shut down like restart/power cycle? |
| 02:53.04 | deb_noob | yes |
| 02:53.11 | stoned | deb_noob, to me or ronin? |
| 02:53.19 | deb_noob | anyone who can help |
| 02:53.22 | stoned | deb_noob, is the psu giving enough power to the system? |
| 02:53.24 | Ronin | deb_noob: youtube is the devil? |
| 02:53.29 | stoned | I dunno |
| 02:53.31 | Ronin | deb_noob: anything in any log file? |
| 02:53.38 | stoned | it might be software related |
| 02:53.39 | deb_noob | where do i check |
| 02:53.39 | Christoph_vW | where can I get an installer with the 2.6.19 kernel now? |
| 02:53.45 | stoned | you sure it restars/powercycles on its own? |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:53.56 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 02:54.07 | deb_noob | it has turned off before on its own, yes |
| 02:54.29 | deb_noob | where do i check the log? |
| 02:54.40 | liable | i would think hardware related |
| 02:54.49 | stoned | abrotman, if you select expert install it gives you a respository stable/etch/sid etc. and also gives you the kernel option as to which kernel to install, no? afaicr |
| 02:54.58 | Christoph_vW | umm... building from source? from which OS? |
| 02:55.15 | stoned | deb_noob, that to me seems like a hardware problem. Random restarts are usually caused by an unstable power supply unit |
| 02:55.17 | Christoph_vW | I can't install Linux on my hardware - how should I build it from source then |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | stoned: which doesn't help him |
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| 02:55.46 | stoned | abrotman, but I am remembering correctly yeah? |
| 02:56.00 | AI_coder | where can i download a printable laser mouse tracking sheet? |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | stoned: IIRC yes |
| 02:56.32 | Ronin | liable: could be software to perhaps, some stupid say java or flash applet causing it to crash? |
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| 02:57.00 | deb_noob | does anyone think it's overheating and turning off? |
| 02:57.06 | stoned | deb_noob, is this only because of youtube? |
| 02:57.20 | stoned | deb_noob, does it ever restart on it own without using youtube? |
| 02:57.29 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:57.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:57.36 | deb_noob | stoned, yes |
| 02:57.48 | Ronin | doh, i blame the beer, how the heck did i get brower shuts down out of computer shuts down |
| 02:58.01 | deb_noob | stoned, it did it once before as well |
| 02:58.17 | deb_noob | just while on kopete |
| 02:58.18 | liable | deb_noob: run memtest or something on it |
| 02:58.30 | stoned | deb_noob, not a software problem.. check your video cards required wattage and amps being sucked from the +12V rails. PSU might not be giving enough power to gpu. |
| 02:58.38 | Christoph_vW | is there a debian ISO with the 2.6.19 kernel available somewhere? |
| 02:58.41 | stoned | deb_noob, afaict, its not a SW related issue |
| 02:58.44 | toymachine | anyone know if theres a way to setup dual monitors, where one is strictly console, and one is X |
| 02:58.45 | deb_noob | i'm thinking about turning up the temperature for the shut off feature in bios |
| 02:58.58 | stoned | deb_noob, #hardware |
| 02:59.03 | deb_noob | brb |
| 02:59.08 | geo-rge | Christoph_vW: I thought Guerin said there is |
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| 02:59.34 | Christoph_vW | I haven't seen any link |
| 02:59.42 | liable | !etch 2.6.19 |
| 02:59.49 | liable | bleh |
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| 03:00.04 | geo-rge | !listkeys 2.6.19 |
| 03:00.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.6.19' by key returned no results. |
| 03:00.18 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 03:00.18 | dpkg | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 03:00.22 | geo-rge | hmm, that shoots that down |
| 03:00.25 | stoned | use the web search of factoids |
| 03:00.27 | stoned | its much faster |
| 03:00.38 | stoned | according to stew, its synced with dpkg nightly |
| 03:01.08 | Christoph_vW | I just need a 64-Bit OS which supports my hardware and is able to run gcc |
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| 03:02.19 | geo-rge | Christoph_vW: there are many choices for that |
| 03:02.51 | Christoph_vW | not that much... |
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| 03:05.55 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 03:05.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 03:06.08 | dpkg | from memory, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 03:06.09 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: ↑ there's a 2.6.19rc3 installer there |
| 03:06.23 | liable | arrows!! |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | ↑↑↑ |
| 03:06.47 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:06.48 | liable | not you too! :( |
| 03:06.56 | deb_noob | it must be that temperature shutoff feature |
| 03:07.24 | abrotman | faf |
| 03:07.28 | geo-rge | deb_noob: things like movie playing make video cards and cpus hot |
| 03:07.34 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: the 2.6.19rc3 kernel is 32-bit, but it's give you a change to build a 64-bit kernel |
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| 03:08.05 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: see also the FAQ on that page |
| 03:08.09 | abrotman | wtf does he need a 64bit kernel for |
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| 03:08.21 | Guerin | abrotman: ygiagam |
| 03:08.22 | liable | teh xtra bits! |
| 03:08.28 | Guerin | twice as faster! |
| 03:08.39 | geo-rge | well, isn't it? |
| 03:09.05 | Guerin | noes! |
| 03:09.35 | netdaemon | tar overwrites without question dosn't it? |
| 03:09.46 | geo-rge | netdaemon: it might |
| 03:09.53 | netdaemon | might? |
| 03:09.54 | netdaemon | eh |
| 03:10.00 | netdaemon | :P |
| 03:10.12 | [1]Christoph_vW | Guerin: but not for x64 |
| 03:10.13 | geo-rge | if you want a question, you're going to have to write a script that asks one first |
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| 03:10.42 | Guerin | [1]Christoph_vW: so build one yourself. If you actually have a need for 64-bit, building a kernel will be simple for you to grok. |
| 03:10.48 | geo-rge | Guerin: it's not any faster?? |
| 03:10.59 | Guerin | if, otoh, you want it for vanity ... well, you get to complain more |
| 03:11.22 | Kvant | netdaemon, use the -k switch to not overwrite |
| 03:11.35 | Guerin | geo-rge: it is much faster for some cases, particularly involving data-intensive stuff like encoding media, heavy math, high-load databases, etc |
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| 03:11.52 | Guerin | geo-rge: but not really for everyday general stuff |
| 03:11.57 | netdaemon | Kvant, i want it to =) |
| 03:12.07 | geo-rge | so postgres benefits? |
| 03:12.07 | Kvant | well, don't then :P |
| 03:12.19 | netdaemon | be back in a bit =) |
| 03:12.19 | ttick | I've just had to do a re-install, and one thing I'm installing again is my ejabberd server. Anyone know where the userfile are kept? I want to copy over the users so they don't have to re-register. |
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| 03:12.33 | Guerin | geo-rge: it depends on the application. This is all anecdotal, since I don't have one. |
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| 03:13.26 | yungknight | is there any way to change the message that gives the name of the mta in the full header of emails? |
| 03:14.39 | geo-rge | Guerin: but you're saying the architecture changes in the core duos result in far better performance for certain things? |
| 03:14.40 | Guerin | yungknight: dunno. WHy would you? |
| 03:14.52 | Guerin | geo-rge: no, in 64-bit/amd64 arch |
| 03:14.57 | Guerin | as opposed to 32-bit |
| 03:14.58 | geo-rge | yungknight: change what mta you use! |
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| 03:15.22 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 03:15.58 | yungknight | Guerin: on top of the good security would obscurity help out |
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| 03:16.36 | yungknight | geo-rge: i just want to change the line that you would get in the full header saying that the mta was postfix (for example) |
| 03:17.08 | geo-rge | you could look in the postfix code for the thing that does that |
| 03:17.29 | geo-rge | then, alter, recompile, test, lather, rince, repeat |
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| 03:18.06 | liable | i woulda thought its in the config |
| 03:18.38 | Guerin | yungknight: hahah |
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| 03:18.42 | liable | .. duh |
| 03:18.43 | Guerin | yungknight: you lose. |
| 03:18.52 | yungknight | lol |
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| 03:19.29 | liable | that musta gone over my head. |
| 03:21.55 | geo-rge | you'd look up to see |
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| 03:22.14 | dan2 | is anybody have issues with X on amd64 using an nvidia card |
| 03:22.31 | dan2 | whether the graphics card matters or not, my mouse and/or keyboard will just all of a sudden lock up |
| 03:22.42 | dan2 | and the only solution if my keyboard locks up is a system reset |
| 03:22.50 | dan2 | if mouse locks up, ctrl alt backspace works fine |
| 03:24.31 | scruffy | dan2: I get the same thing every couple of months (nvidia card also). |
| 03:25.16 | dan2 | scruffy: mine happens all the time |
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| 03:27.13 | scruffy | dan2: I haven't upgraded my nvidia driver yet, but I would bet the farm that nvidia is the cause. |
| 03:27.16 | yungknight | what do you guys normally set you default_mail_env as in dovecot.conf? |
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| 03:27.46 | dan2 | scruffy: I'm updated to the latest afaik |
| 03:28.48 | Guerin | dan2: you know about iptables? |
| 03:29.48 | dan2 | yes |
| 03:30.04 | jmd | How can I unplug an intergrated USB device ? |
| 03:30.35 | Guerin | dan2: what causes dup icmp replies, and how to I fix them? |
| 03:30.38 | Guerin | or prevent them? |
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| 03:31.39 | dan2 | Guerin: hmm |
| 03:31.54 | dan2 | I don't know off the top of my head |
| 03:31.56 | Guerin | dan2: two rules both responding to an icmp? |
| 03:32.03 | dan2 | Guerin: that's possible |
| 03:32.07 | Guerin | mm |
| 03:33.04 | dan2 | scruffy: you have any idea how to fix it? |
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| 03:36.09 | pablo_ | hi, what is the manfid of a wireless pcmcia? |
| 03:36.40 | liable | see what lspci says |
| 03:37.19 | pablo_ | lspci says nothing |
| 03:37.54 | enouf | wtf is a manfid? |
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| 03:42.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=manfid&restrict=linux |
| 03:42.34 | jetscreamer | yes virginiaouf, there is a manfid |
| 03:42.47 | jetscreamer | (not that i ever heard of it before) |
| 03:43.52 | jetscreamer | looks like maybe pcmcia related |
| 03:43.54 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:46.38 | jetscreamer | well shit |
| 03:46.47 | jetscreamer | isohunt go byebye |
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| 03:47.52 | jetscreamer | how will i find my pr0n now? |
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| 03:48.44 | liable | pr0n-get? |
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| 03:49.02 | zood_ | maybe off topic but... trying to play SimAnt with dosbox and mouse is _way_ too slow. How can I fix? |
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| 03:50.33 | abrotman | zood_: the game wasn't that good |
| 03:50.48 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 03:53.06 | curt_ | abrotman, turns out non-tls connections are disabled by default in Exim4 and you either have to use exim-gencert to install rsa cert files or manually enable non-tls .. that took a while. |
| 03:53.47 | curt_ | now on to setting up the mail host |
| 03:54.01 | zood_ | abrotman: ants are cool |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | odd ... |
| 03:54.08 | abrotman | zood_: simtower FTW! |
| 03:54.49 | geo-rge | if you run it that way you're trying to play simsimant |
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| 03:57.21 | geo-rge | the most important note is C# |
| 03:57.46 | geo-rge | the second most important is Db |
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| 04:00.11 | shruggar | I just tried installing a bunch of ttf fonts. The majority of them seem to regenerate the entire font cache as part of their post-install script. Obviously, this is incredibly redundant. Is there any way to avoid this? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding what is meant by "regenerating fonts cache"? |
| 04:00.32 | jetscreamer | shruggar: yeah i hate that too |
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| 04:01.25 | Guerin | shruggar: the problem is that you might install one font package, or you might install ten, and apt has no way of knowing |
| 04:01.39 | Guerin | the font cache needs to be re-run in any case |
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| 04:01.44 | raf256 | wtf is icedove? |
| 04:01.46 | raf256 | I see some devels are really bored. |
| 04:01.58 | Guerin | raf256: thunderbird |
| 04:02.10 | raf256 | Guerin: yes I know; I was wondering "wtf" |
| 04:02.17 | raf256 | w stands for why |
| 04:02.21 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:02.29 | Guerin | it is because it is |
| 04:02.34 | liable | where have you been for the last 3 months? |
| 04:02.47 | raf256 | there are soo meany real bugs in stable RC and they are wasting time over stupid logos |
| 04:02.56 | geo-rge | when it was, was it because it was then? |
| 04:03.13 | raf256 | liable: hm? only this week upgrade brought icedove to me |
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| 04:05.17 | Halitherses | I have a wireless problem: lsmod says that ndiswrapper is installed, ndiswrapper -l gives wg311v2 driver installed but when I do a iwconfig I get no wireless extensions.I do get errors in syslog when I do a modprobe. Can someone make a suggestion? |
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| 04:06.01 | Guerin | i hardly think icedove's logo issues are taking much dev time |
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| 04:06.50 | Halitherses | In syslog the error is loadndisdriver: couldn't load driver wg311v2 |
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| 04:07.12 | Guerin | Halitherses: get a real wireless card? |
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| 04:08.49 | Halitherses | what is wrog with the wg311? |
| 04:08.56 | Guerin | Halitherses: it needs ndiscrapper |
| 04:09.10 | deb_noob | i'm back, and my shutdown are not related to heat, where can i check my logs? |
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| 04:10.19 | deb_noob | where is the log i want to check for shutdown problems? |
| 04:10.35 | markybob | deb_noob, probably /var/log/syslog |
| 04:10.43 | Halitherses | deb_noob, /var/log/syslog |
| 04:10.44 | e1z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.48 | e1z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.54 | e1z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.55 | e1z0 | ;-) |
| 04:11.02 | markybob | e1z0, why dont you name every log? that'd be *really* helpful |
| 04:11.11 | deb_noob | nothing in /var/log/syslog |
| 04:11.24 | e1z0 | i wont |
| 04:11.33 | markybob | deb_noob, what's your problem? is it a kernel panic? is it a daemon gone rogue? what in particular is happening? |
| 04:11.36 | Halitherses | deb_noob, /var/log/messages |
| 04:11.41 | markybob | holy moses |
| 04:11.52 | abrotman | is there another? |
| 04:11.57 | deb_noob | my computer is turning off at random |
| 04:12.01 | markybob | abrotman, heh ;) |
| 04:12.09 | deb_noob | it hasn't done this since i updated kernels to 686 |
| 04:12.12 | markybob | deb_noob, off as in off off, or off as in frozen? |
| 04:12.16 | abrotman | deb_noob: shutting down .. or turning off ? |
| 04:12.21 | deb_noob | power off |
| 04:12.25 | deb_noob | turning off |
| 04:12.32 | abrotman | short in the mobo .. FTW! |
| 04:13.04 | deb_noob | doubt it |
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| 04:13.12 | markybob | deb_noob, i agree with abrotman. i had the same problem about a year ago. replaced the computer case (same mb and every other hardware) and the problem disappeared |
| 04:13.29 | deb_noob | how do i open syslog? |
| 04:13.35 | markybob | deb_noob, cat ? |
| 04:13.36 | jetscreamer | less /var/whatever |
| 04:13.37 | abrotman | cat tail less more |
| 04:13.38 | deb_noob | with kwrite? |
| 04:13.47 | abrotman | hahah |
| 04:13.48 | jetscreamer | sure but it's kinda bloated for that |
| 04:13.54 | markybob | abrotman, cute, isnt it? someone who doesnt know how to read a log file is disagreeing ;) |
| 04:13.54 | jetscreamer | but kwrite wil work |
| 04:13.56 | liable | you need to be root to read them |
| 04:14.04 | jetscreamer | you do? |
| 04:14.04 | liable | or in admin group |
| 04:14.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:14.40 | markybob | speaking of disagreeing, i still need a job! ;) |
| 04:14.44 | abrotman | !qotd180 is <reply> <deb_noob> how do i open syslog? | <deb_noob> with kwrite? |
| 04:14.46 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 04:15.02 | abrotman | sorry .. i couldn't resist |
| 04:15.06 | deb_noob | do i want to look at the beginning or end of the file? |
| 04:15.14 | markybob | deb_noob, end. |
| 04:15.15 | jetscreamer | end probably |
| 04:15.28 | liable | not if you just rebooted |
| 04:15.33 | markybob | hold on a second |
| 04:15.47 | liable | which i guess you would have had to :) |
| 04:15.52 | markybob | you said deb_noob> nothing in /var/log/syslog |
| 04:15.59 | markybob | how do you say that if you dont know how to open it? |
| 04:16.01 | abrotman | might want syslog.0 |
| 04:16.02 | deb_noob | i opened it with nano and its full of stuff |
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| 04:16.27 | deb_noob | what am i looking for? |
| 04:16.31 | markybob | oh my lord |
| 04:16.42 | yungknight | deb_noob: just to tail or something to see what happened recently |
| 04:16.45 | liable | an oops i guess |
| 04:17.00 | markybob | liable, i'd guess a troll |
| 04:17.04 | deb_noob | all i see is networkmanager and dhcdbd |
| 04:17.21 | liable | markybob: i guess clueless :) |
| 04:17.41 | deb_noob | it all looks network related |
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| 04:18.14 | liable | run memtest or something else that loads the system |
| 04:18.18 | markybob | oh, and fyi, the other day i was looking for josh myer of libfaim fame and no one knew how to reach him. in case anyone else cared to, i found him. |
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| 04:18.52 | abrotman | markybob: now find bob2 and caphuso |
| 04:19.13 | markybob | abrotman, that would be nice. those two were pretty great |
| 04:19.56 | markybob | abrotman, i'm also wondering about electricelf. i never catch him active any more. |
| 04:20.12 | deb_noob | is this a shutdown? |
| 04:20.12 | deb_noob | Jan 16 21:31:35 smith lpd[2827]: restarted |
| 04:20.17 | liable | he was here a while back |
| 04:20.20 | abrotman | markybob: he is rarely .. i'd guess he's more active in the -dev channels ..b ut i don't frequent those |
| 04:20.21 | markybob | deb_noob, of your printer service |
| 04:20.59 | deb_noob | i don't see anything else shudown related at the end of the file here |
| 04:21.04 | deb_noob | what other files to check? |
| 04:21.08 | markybob | deb_noob, thus, probably a short in the mb |
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| 04:21.14 | abrotman | switch! |
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| 04:21.47 | markybob | abrotman, back in late sept 2001, i joined the US military and electricelf mentioned something about joining the canadian military. never did find out if he ended up going in or not |
| 04:21.48 | deb_noob | the computer has been on for days |
| 04:21.52 | deb_noob | probably 2 weeks |
| 04:21.59 | deb_noob | what other files to check? |
| 04:22.06 | abrotman | markybob: what is wrong with you people! |
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| 04:22.18 | abrotman | markybob: they give guns to people like you! |
| 04:22.27 | markybob | abrotman, amazing, isnt it? :) |
| 04:22.37 | abrotman | "sad" is the word i was looking for :) |
| 04:22.56 | abrotman | markybob: he's been around a bit .. i would assume another DD would know more |
| 04:23.54 | deb_noob | maybe french will help |
| 04:23.54 | abrotman | !fr |
| 04:23.54 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:23.54 | chronographe1 | hi all I have a multiboot system, where debian installed grub, so the menu.lst used is in the debian file system, I want to remove this os and leave the other two, is there a good way to do this? I was thinking about getting a grub installing cd??? |
| 04:23.54 | markybob | abrotman, i'll be honest with you...i wouldnt join now. i didnt know better back then. i believed. i felt violated and needed to do something that i thought would help protect my family. i thought that was a way |
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| 04:24.13 | abrotman | markybob: understandable |
| 04:24.17 | liable | chronographe1: reinstall grub from the other os |
| 04:24.29 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 04:24.29 | dpkg | i guess grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 04:24.32 | deb_noob | anything else it could be if it's not a short? |
| 04:24.42 | abrotman | deb_noob: start pulling parts |
| 04:24.58 | chronographe1 | i think i have no floppys in my house!!! |
| 04:24.59 | markybob | deb_noob, happen to have a spare power supply to swap with? |
| 04:25.02 | abrotman | thus the joys of mobos with everything integrated .. only one part to pull :) |
| 04:25.08 | abrotman | chronographe1: don't tell the wife |
| 04:25.21 | deb_noob | i can see everything in my case, nothing is touching |
| 04:25.22 | chronographe1 | so i will apt-get remove grub and then apt-get install? |
| 04:25.29 | deb_noob | abrotman: i really think you're wrong |
| 04:25.31 | chronographe1 | wife knows i got no floppies ;-) |
| 04:25.34 | abrotman | chronographe1: what are the other two OS ? |
| 04:25.44 | chronographe1 | ubuntu and microtoss |
| 04:25.45 | deb_noob | abrotman: are you sure it's a short? |
| 04:25.48 | abrotman | deb_noob: the machine isn't shutting down clean? and it's not hibernating ? |
| 04:25.55 | abrotman | chronographe1: use ubuntu to install grub |
| 04:26.04 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu for details |
| 04:26.06 | deb_noob | abrotman: it shuts down clean |
| 04:26.13 | deb_noob | abrotman: never tried hibernating |
| 04:26.21 | liable | it just stops, or it shuts down? |
| 04:26.29 | chronographe1 | i thought about changeing ubuntu for debian but it takes so long to install things like belkin usb and bloody lexmark z65! |
| 04:26.32 | abrotman | deb_noob: so it's just *BAMMMMMMMM* and it goes off ? |
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| 04:26.41 | deb_noob | lol, yeah |
| 04:26.41 | markybob | deb_noob, does it run fsck afterwards? is it not clean? |
| 04:26.46 | abrotman | deb_noob: yes or no? |
| 04:26.50 | deb_noob | yes it runs fsck |
| 04:26.52 | deb_noob | yes |
| 04:26.52 | abrotman | deb_noob: does it go off in an instant ? |
| 04:26.56 | deb_noob | yes |
| 04:26.57 | markybob | deb_noob, it's a freakin' short, man |
| 04:27.00 | chronographe1 | oh and debian wouldn't mount my shared fat32 drive... |
| 04:27.02 | abrotman | so it's not a clean shutdown |
| 04:27.05 | chronographe1 | oh well, THANKS all |
| 04:27.05 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 04:27.05 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:27.11 | justin | deb_noob: heat? |
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| 04:27.18 | abrotman | justin: already checked .. he said |
| 04:27.27 | deb_noob | might be heat, but i had the case sides off and it did that |
| 04:27.41 | deb_noob | s.o.b! |
| 04:27.43 | justin | deb_noob: bad capacitors ? |
| 04:27.54 | deb_noob | what is a capacitator? |
| 04:27.55 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe the gerbil is passing out |
| 04:27.58 | markybob | oh wow |
| 04:28.22 | liable | the thing thats swollen and leaking on your mobo |
| 04:28.25 | markybob | deb_noob, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Acapacitor&btnG=Google+Search |
| 04:28.35 | jetscreamer | they store electricity |
| 04:28.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they go pop! :) |
| 04:28.44 | deb_noob | youtube really seems to set it off though |
| 04:28.47 | jetscreamer | tiny battery (simplified) |
| 04:29.02 | abrotman | spark plug ? |
| 04:29.13 | markybob | jetscreamer, i like "the thing that kills you even when the power cable is pulled" |
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| 04:29.22 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 04:29.37 | deb_noob | you guys troll these chats just to poke fun don't you? |
| 04:29.39 | jetscreamer | a tv can kill you after being unplugged for 6 months iirc |
| 04:29.48 | jetscreamer | no, seriously |
| 04:29.55 | jetscreamer | all those things apply |
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| 04:30.05 | markybob | deb_noob, dont get me started, man. if anything you're the troll |
| 04:30.08 | jetscreamer | if you want to know what it really is, take electronics |
| 04:30.17 | markybob | deb_noob, at least the majority of us here know each other. you're the newbie |
| 04:30.20 | deb_noob | well dude, it's not a short! |
| 04:30.34 | CompWizrd | fine, it's a long. |
| 04:30.36 | CompWizrd | long int. |
| 04:30.41 | liable | deb_noob: what evidence do you have to prove its not? |
| 04:30.45 | justin | deb_noob: try running memtest |
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| 04:30.54 | deb_noob | i've done that before and it tested fine |
| 04:31.04 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 04:31.53 | markybob | justin, you know...i'm not saying it couldnt happen...but i cant recall every having bad memory cause anything more than a freeze and not a full shut off. ever heard/seen that yourself? |
| 04:32.00 | markybob | s/every/ever |
| 04:32.44 | justin | markybob: yeah, but memtest itself will likely trigger the problem too |
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| 04:33.36 | mojojojo__ | hi there! I want to installl an older version of a package. Where should I look? |
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| 04:33.48 | jharen | hello whats the website for cheking my pcinfo?what im running,what specs,what OS...?thanks |
| 04:33.51 | markybob | jharen, http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 04:34.30 | markybob | jharen, website? you realize that linux doesnt have activex, right? wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:34.44 | markybob | mojojojo__, that link was for you, sorry |
| 04:35.21 | jharen | markybob:i mean how to check my pc information |
| 04:35.27 | jharen | markybob:using website |
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| 04:36.13 | markybob | jharen, you're so incredibly in the wrong channel. check http://www.javascripter.net/faq/clientin.htm |
| 04:36.25 | liable | markybob: snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:36.39 | liable | mojojojo__: ^^ |
| 04:36.45 | markybob | liable, true. better. thanks |
| 04:36.49 | liable | damn nicktab |
| 04:37.09 | liable | and me not paying attention.. |
| 04:37.19 | mojojojo__ | markybob, thx :) |
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| 04:38.13 | jharen | thanks =) |
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| 04:39.34 | markybob | so, um, anyone need a programmer? i've got a history (shellter.sf.net) with the open source community and a hell of a resume ;) |
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| 04:40.32 | mojojojo__ | markybob, is it all :(... I've found the package and it's still too new |
| 04:40.56 | markybob | mojojojo__, you checked snapshoot, as liable suggested? |
| 04:41.02 | markybob | s/snapshoot/snapshot |
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| 04:41.57 | mojojojo__ | ekhm... I'm using ubuntu... there's no such thing as snapshot as far as I know |
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| 04:42.17 | hark | hehe |
| 04:42.30 | markybob | mojojojo__, then your'e in the wrong channel, brother |
| 04:42.32 | mojojojo__ | or is there? :) |
| 04:42.32 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 04:42.33 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 04:43.15 | markybob | mojojojo__, go on, now. you enjoy mark shuttleworth's shit :) |
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| 04:43.20 | Andymeows | can anyone recommend a good book on linux device drivers using C? |
| 04:43.29 | mojojojo__ | ok :), nice to know that |
| 04:43.31 | parsonsd | my, my -- dpkg is getting awefully nice these days. was that a New Year's resolution? |
| 04:44.00 | markybob | Andymeows, to be honest with you, the best source i've found is the linux kernel. studying the modules in it really helped me |
| 04:44.35 | markybob | parsonsd, nah, he's still the same old bot |
| 04:44.35 | mojojojo__ | markybob, it's not that bad, but still... when I have more time, I will install something else |
| 04:44.38 | markybob | !fuck you |
| 04:44.38 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 04:44.41 | markybob | see? ;) |
| 04:44.50 | justin | Andymeows: isn't there a book, called, litterally, "writing linux device drivers?" |
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| 04:45.12 | hark | !zoo |
| 04:45.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 04:45.16 | rockyg | duuuude |
| 04:45.24 | rockyg | having quake 3 probs |
| 04:45.26 | e1z0 | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude |
| 04:45.29 | parsonsd | jaja. i figured that the responce for ubuntu was just not as abusive as i recalled in the past. |
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| 04:45.31 | e1z0 | blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:45.33 | rockyg | hahahah |
| 04:45.35 | rockyg | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude |
| 04:45.40 | e1z0 | fck |
| 04:45.41 | rockyg | im in california |
| 04:45.45 | rockyg | on the beach |
| 04:45.51 | e1z0 | (^_-) ,,|, |
| 04:45.54 | e1z0 | i'm in home |
| 04:45.58 | rockyg | trying to play quake 3..but...cant get the mods to work. |
| 04:45.59 | Andymeows | thanks guys, found a book |
| 04:46.10 | markybob | Rockj, on the beach? at 9pm? kinda late, aint it? |
| 04:46.14 | justin | quake3 +set fs_game foo ? |
| 04:46.22 | e1z0 | i have bottle of vodka |
| 04:46.25 | e1z0 | and i'm cool |
| 04:47.39 | rockyg | i want to install them in the users dir instead of the base install dir..is that possible....(if i could have found another channel that specialized in this i would have done so) |
| 04:48.02 | AbsentMinded | man quake3 |
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| 04:48.18 | rockyg | its ummm not a pkg..was installed from the disk |
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| 04:48.45 | justin | rockyg: ~/.q3a/ |
| 04:49.07 | rockyg | ya thast where we put it..no dice though |
| 04:49.20 | justin | rockyg: what is it? |
| 04:49.25 | rockyg | hold on |
| 04:49.51 | rockyg | Derk 3 Arena |
| 04:50.53 | justin | rockyg: is "it" a directory? |
| 04:51.14 | rockyg | ya |
| 04:51.41 | rockyg | is it not suppsed to be? |
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| 04:51.52 | justin | no, it should be |
| 04:52.05 | justin | though maybe the you have it nested one too many directories or something |
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| 05:00.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:00.55 | dpkg | i guess qotd122 is <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
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| 05:01.23 | blahdeblah | Hi all - how can i override the aptitude warning about a GPG key not being present? |
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| 05:02.09 | deb_freak | . |
| 05:02.36 | netdaemon | so, is there any easy way to make debian packages? |
| 05:02.37 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 05:02.56 | markybob | netdaemon, yes, read the manual |
| 05:03.07 | netdaemon | thats not easy, what the manual says :P |
| 05:03.31 | markybob | netdaemon, then you havent read it well enough. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 05:04.00 | markybob | or ask a specific question of what you're having problems with |
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| 05:04.15 | jmd | markybob: In which section does it say that it's easy ? |
| 05:04.24 | netdaemon | probably just something i'm making more complicated than it should be |
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| 05:04.38 | blahdeblah | netdaemon: It takes quite a while to digest. I found it heavy going. |
| 05:04.46 | markybob | jmd, i think following step by step directions is easy. if you dont then you probably shouldnt be trying to make a package |
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| 05:05.37 | jmd | The maintainers' guide is a bit more that step by step instructions. It's a textbook |
| 05:06.11 | dondelelcaro | netdaemon: it depends on what type of package you want to make. Some are easy, some are very difficult. |
| 05:06.29 | jmd | It requires to not only to be read, but considered and thought about too. |
| 05:06.41 | netdaemon | just a simple game |
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| 05:07.06 | netdaemon | http://xye.sourceforge.net |
| 05:07.39 | jmd | netdaemon: The short answer to your question is no. The whole point of packages (and any part of an OS) is that it's easy for the users, because the hard work is done by the maintainers. |
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| 05:09.07 | jmd | So how can I tell if my laptop's integrated webcam is broken, or if I'm just too stupid to be able to configure it? |
| 05:09.11 | netdaemon | no KISS when it comes to package making eh? |
| 05:09.55 | dondelelcaro | netdaemon: that's part of it, but there's no one size fits all solution. |
| 05:09.57 | markybob | jmd, you ring someone who knows what they're doing |
| 05:10.09 | markybob | netdaemon, you can use alien, if you're really into easy and dont much care about results |
| 05:10.22 | jmd | markybob: Do you know what you're doing? |
| 05:10.34 | dondelelcaro | netdaemon: for really simple upstream packages which have been built correclty, dh_make often does the right thing. For perl package, dh-make-perl does. For more complex packages, manual intervention is required. |
| 05:10.44 | markybob | jmd why dont you google me and find out? |
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| 05:11.35 | sheepthief | gah... |
| 05:16.42 | netdaemon | i really have to get rid of that 3 button mouse emu |
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| 05:19.34 | jaggz- | I compiled some software, used checkinstall to install it -- and a later install of another package UNINSTALLED my self-compiled package, saying "REMOVED, NOT-USED". I've re-compiled the package and checkinstalled it again -- how can I tell if my system wants to remove it again? |
| 05:19.47 | xaque | !test |
| 05:19.59 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:19.59 | dondelelcaro | so uncomment that section. |
| 05:20.15 | jaggz- | and how do I do this properly so aptitude won't want to remove it again |
| 05:21.21 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: 1) don't use checkinstall if you can possibly avoid it. 2) if you're using aptitude use aptitude unmarkauto foopkg; to mark it as manually installed. |
| 05:21.36 | xaque | Hi |
| 05:22.28 | jaggz- | don, I can avoid it -- it was the first time using it. I wanted the uninstall capability so as not to leave a mess on my machine (as I've done over the years with compiled software, y'know). |
| 05:22.54 | jaggz- | is there an alternative? |
| 05:23.08 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: the alternative is using real Debian packages when they exist |
| 05:23.25 | dondelelcaro | (if they don't, then checkinstall is suboptimal, but the best of the choices available) |
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| 05:23.52 | markybob | jaggz-, which program was it that you self compiled? |
| 05:24.27 | jaggz- | oh.. yeah.. it doesn't exist on my system, and I needed some of the new software version's capabilities |
| 05:24.43 | jaggz- | vim 7.0, marky.. |
| 05:44.43 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: if you need the new version, then just get the package from unstable and backport it to stable (or whatever version you're running) |
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| 05:44.43 | markybob | jaggz-, you could use backports, if using sarge |
| 05:44.43 | markybob | jaggz-, http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/v/vim/ |
| 05:44.44 | markybob | jaggz-, *please* read the backports faq before installing |
| 05:44.44 | jaggz- | yeah, exactly.. I'm on an old ubuntu-hoary hedgehog install.. and I have too much actual need to work on my computer that I can't bring myself to move to a newer install of anything |
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| 05:44.45 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 05:44.45 | jaggz- | is there any negative feeling about ubuntu here in #debian? |
| 05:44.45 | markybob | dondelelcaro, i understand :) |
| 05:44.45 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 05:44.45 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 05:44.46 | jaggz- | yeah.. this is an aptitude/dpkg + checkinstall issue, actually.. but no matter. backports would probably work on a modern debian system (which this wouldn't be anyway .. it'd be 2 years old if that's related) |
| 05:44.47 | markybob | jaggz-, we dont support ubuntu. go to #ubuntu and ask. if you're using debian, our answers would've already told you what you need to do |
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| 05:44.47 | jaggz- | ubuntu, by the way, included the patches to the debian packages which I needed for use on this thinkpad.. that's why I chose to go with it. (2 years ago it was the only one I found which supported the wireless nic in the thinkpad) |
| 05:44.47 | markybob | jaggz-, really dont care. #ubuntu |
| 05:44.47 | jaggz- | mark, I understand.. although you're being a bit lame about it. |
| 05:44.48 | jaggz- | I don't need to be treated the way you're treating me at this very moment. |
| 05:44.48 | markybob | jaggz-, you try dealing with hundreds of people a day asking question that belongs in a different channel. i'm sure you'd be very different |
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| 05:44.48 | jaggz- | these questions were perfectly fine for this channel |
| 05:44.48 | markybob | jaggz-, no they're not. go to #ubuntu |
| 05:44.48 | dondelelcaro | markybob, jaggz-: irregardles, the question has been asked and answered; continuing is pointless. |
| 05:44.48 | jaggz- | but I totally understand your sensitivities -- I've been using irc for almost 14 years. |
| 05:44.48 | jetscreamer | what is ubuntu |
| 05:44.49 | jetscreamer | oh.. and what is irc |
| 05:44.49 | jaggz- | yeah.. and thanks for the help. It does help a lot, don. Thanks. |
| 05:44.49 | jaggz- | thanks to you too, marky. |
| 05:44.50 | xaque | Hi. Does anyone know of a way to sync kde settings, contact information and calendar events between two machines? |
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| 05:44.53 | markybob | xaque, use rsync to manage /home/foo |
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| 05:44.54 | dondelelcaro | or use svn or darcs or bzr or... |
| 05:44.54 | Acu | guys what is the recomended hardisk configuration (partition, physical HDD) for a web server - I mean how many partitions are best - is it recomended that var should be on its own hdd |
| 05:44.54 | blahdeblah | Acu: That's a "how long is a piece of string" question. |
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| 05:44.56 | Acu | I hope someone has more concrete recomandations than that - however I am planing to have two hard disks - the fastest one containing var |
| 05:44.56 | blahdeblah | Acu: In general, if you care about a server's data, you should use RAID. |
| 05:44.57 | Jaggz1 | yeah.. at minimum raid mirror.. but I guess "care" varies from situation to situation. |
| 05:44.57 | blahdeblah | Acu: On all my servers, i use Linux software RAID 1 for the OS, install LVM on top of that, then have a separate LVs for / and /var (and /srv if it's used by apps). |
| 05:44.57 | Jaggz1 | if backup across drives or over the network works for you... |
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| 05:44.58 | Jaggz1 | blah, you didn't, by any chance, have to recently move 200gb of data on your lvm partition around, did ya? |
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| 05:44.58 | Acu | I was planing to make two mirror systems each having two hard-disks |
| 05:44.58 | blahdeblah | Acu: Sounds fine |
| 05:44.58 | blahdeblah | Jaggz1: No, why? |
| 05:45.00 | Jaggz1 | okay.. must have been someone else who was talking about it recently. They had to resize a partition or something and were just discussing it. Nothing special I guess. |
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| 05:45.01 | blahdeblah | Jaggz1: I resize when i upgrade to new hardware. :-) |
| 05:45.01 | Jaggz1 | likewise.. heh.. that's when I update my distros too.. I've only moved from slackware to redhat to ubuntu |
| 05:45.01 | Jaggz1 | over 13 years |
| 05:45.01 | Jaggz1 | I tried straight debian before ubuntu, but its packages didn't have the latest stuff at the time. No hard feelings -- just timing. |
| 05:45.04 | Jaggz1 | Acu, going to cluster db access? |
| 05:45.08 | Acu | I am planing to run EZ publish - but no big database - and initially I do not expect a lot of trafic - but I want to be able to expand - however it seem that Raid1 for OS - means I have to use two exactly same hard disks - for var then best would be a RAID5 ? |
| 05:45.09 | Jaggz1 | I've basically stayed with raw berkeley DB access for my data storage all these years.. and a flat text file format as well.. but I did re-design a service to use postgresql/mysql a couple years ago |
| 05:45.09 | Jaggz1 | I heard software raid is fine |
| 05:45.09 | Jaggz1 | even in high load situations |
| 05:45.10 | Acu | is any place where I can read about how best to do it - I am still learning how best do it - as maybe the partition is most dificult to change once you start |
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| 05:45.15 | ivan` | anyone know if there are unofficial python2.5 packages, especially psycopg2? |
| 05:45.15 | ivan` | because my psycopg2 compiles have undefined symbols even with tons of clean builds |
| 05:45.17 | Acu | so LVM allows you to add or remove space transparent to users? and can be across network? |
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| 05:45.20 | Acu | I am new to this and I was always puzzle of how to manage and how many LVMs |
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| 05:45.20 | Acu | should be added - and why |
| 05:45.52 | Jaggz1 | I hate what I've done with my life, and while it's in the past it is something which doesn't change -- it's gone, lost, past, but not over. |
| 05:46.44 | Jaggz1 | That opportunity is gone |
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| 05:47.01 | Acu | blahdeblah: so this LVM will allow me to use two 20GB hardisks for OS as RAID1 and add the bigger hardisks for the /var |
| 05:47.20 | Jaggz1 | take pictures.. write.. do whatever it is you feel you should do before those days are past. |
| 05:47.55 | Acu | Jaggz1: all is futile - except extending lifespan... |
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| 05:48.27 | Jaggz1 | I didn't take enough pictures or video of my wife.. and she has a disability and her life is passing. |
| 05:48.54 | Jaggz1 | so is mine.. but I don't care about me that way. |
| 05:49.14 | Jaggz1 | but if she passes before me.. you see.. I have a lifetime of regret ahead of me. |
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| 05:49.37 | Jaggz1 | I also worry, if I take pictures of her.. then that is accomplished, and the activity itself may may end her life. |
| 05:50.19 | Acu | Jaggz1: a good sleep resets the neurons... you will think freshly tommorow |
| 05:50.20 | Jaggz1 | so ifyou find yourself in a situation like that.. fix whatever it is you must fix so that type of passing moment will not occur.. so you won't have the same regret I have. |
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| 05:50.57 | Acu | thank you all guys - good bye |
| 05:51.06 | Jaggz1 | good luck |
| 05:51.32 | Acu | thx |
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| 05:52.12 | theflyingfool | does anyone know a deb based distro, that uses gnome initally, that isnt ubuntu |
| 05:53.05 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: Debian? :-) |
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| 05:53.44 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: Just choose gnome-desktop-environment when you install. |
| 05:53.59 | theflyingfool | blahdeblah: how do i know if i want sarge or the other one... sorry i dont have all the names memorized |
| 05:54.54 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: I base the decision on whether i want the machine to be stable or up-to-date. |
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| 05:55.28 | theflyingfool | blahdeblah: is the up-to-date one very unstable, or is it usable? |
| 05:56.58 | blahdeblah | I don't really know. Nearly all of my machines run sarge (stable). My latest install is etch (testing), but i've pinned itto etch, so when etch goes stable it will be stable rather than testing. |
| 05:58.08 | theflyingfool | blahdeblah: about how often does one go from testing to stable |
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| 05:59.30 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: There are plenty of FAQs out there answering that. I think sarge was released in Dec 2004. |
| 05:59.31 | blahdeblah | !sarge |
| 05:59.32 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 05:59.44 | blahdeblah | There you go - i stand corrected. |
| 06:00.21 | linux_jones | but etch is close isnt it? |
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| 06:00.30 | blahdeblah | linux_jones: Apparently. |
| 06:00.33 | blahdeblah | !releases |
| 06:00.33 | dpkg | somebody said releases was See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 06:01.29 | theflyingfool | this maybe a stupid question, but does debian allow me to install the restricted modules? |
| 06:01.39 | blahdeblah | Which restricted modules? |
| 06:01.53 | parsonsd | how does one change the text input for xterm? it is very hard to change to a different irssi discussion when the input charset is ... not what i expect? |
| 06:02.04 | SubStack | non-free? |
| 06:02.14 | theflyingfool | blahdeblah: the wireless drivers, |
| 06:02.16 | Jaggz1 | parsonsd, text input?? |
| 06:02.42 | Jaggz1 | you mean like, the alt-keys mapping to meta1 or esc-key ? |
| 06:02.44 | Jaggz1 | things like that? |
| 06:02.52 | parsonsd | Jaggz1 -- er yeh |
| 06:02.56 | parsonsd | Jaggz1, sorry |
| 06:03.05 | jmd | dmesg says that I have to report to "linux-kernel". Can someone tell me his address, so I can report to him. |
| 06:03.13 | Jaggz1 | dunno how it's handled.. probably your $TERM setting is fine, but take a look at it |
| 06:03.24 | Supaplex | should alised interfaces on a vlan be iface:2.0004 or iface.0004:2 where iface is the interface, 2 is the alias, and 0004 is the vlan id. |
| 06:03.24 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: No idea. |
| 06:03.24 | blahdeblah | BTW, if you read that wiki page, you'll see woody was released Jul 2002, and it was obsoleted on 10 Jan 2007. |
| 06:03.24 | blahdeblah | That lifespan is why i use Debian. :-) |
| 06:03.41 | blahdeblah | jmd: Search kernel.org for information about mailing lists. |
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| 06:03.58 | maddash | i think that was a joke... |
| 06:04.02 | Jaggz1 | blah, good long stable? |
| 06:04.03 | theflyingfool | is it just me or is debians site kind of a pain to navigate |
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| 06:04.14 | jmd | blahdeblah: tnx |
| 06:04.21 | parsonsd_ | exit |
| 06:04.29 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: Works well for me... |
| 06:04.37 | Jaggz1 | I've gotta go too.. thanks for the company |
| 06:04.37 | blahdeblah | theflyingfool: And Google is your friend. ;-) |
| 06:04.52 | Jaggz1 | Google does seem to operate that way doesn't it. |
| 06:04.54 | Supaplex | theflyingfool: works great with any browser. netcat + less is tricky, but you're asking for it then anyhow. |
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| 06:05.12 | Jaggz1 | gopher |
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| 06:06.11 | theflyingfool | should i get all 3 testing dvds? |
| 06:06.21 | maddash | just out of curiosity, is anyone here using fluxbox? how much mem does it use according to `ps aux|grep fluxbox`? |
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| 06:06.58 | Supaplex | theflyingfool: why not just a netinstall? |
| 06:07.15 | Supaplex | maddash: less then kde or gnome. :) |
| 06:07.19 | Supaplex | s/then/than/ |
| 06:07.43 | theflyingfool | Supaplex: my i cant use bandwidth all day, so downloading is basically limited to night when everyone else in the house is aslep |
| 06:07.53 | maddash | what is kde/gnome? ;). gimme ps aux. |
| 06:09.33 | maddash | seriously, my flux is going whacko and consuming about 10M phys-mem; don't know whether it's a debian problem or not, though... |
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| 06:11.51 | Supaplex | maddash: http://rafb.net/p/BExecB90.html |
| 06:11.55 | hark | icewm not work out? |
| 06:12.25 | maddash | WOW. can't believe you remembered... |
| 06:12.42 | maddash | ;) icewm is getting kinda boring... |
| 06:12.49 | hark | i also remember your X problem ;) |
| 06:13.30 | hark | and your tasksel problem .. and ... |
| 06:13.31 | Supaplex | I usually use flwm, but this box is better suited for pretty+fancy+resourcehog :P |
| 06:13.35 | hark | ooh |
| 06:14.02 | maddash | hark: yikes. it's like my every move on irc is being recorded... |
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| 06:14.15 | liable | it is.. :) |
| 06:14.24 | Supaplex | oops ;) |
| 06:14.38 | Supaplex | jk, I don't waste disk space on that :) |
| 06:16.17 | maddash | [gulp]. seriously, I'm getting a stroke just from looking at the icewm taskbar. sure, ~2567K of used phys-mem is neat, but it gets boring after a while... |
| 06:17.32 | maddash | ...yesterday, I found myself lusting after my colleague's powerbook. not at the hardware, but at fancy expose' thingy he had going on. |
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| 06:18.34 | tony__ | Supaplex: just a curious did you ever have problems with imagemagik's menus in flwm? |
| 06:18.38 | enouf | maddash: see http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
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| 06:20.12 | maddash | yeesh. does that mean I can dpkg kde into my machine and still say that it's blazing fast? |
| 06:20.25 | hark | there's skippy and kompose iirc for the expose functionality, though not too sure if they work with 7.1 |
| 06:21.49 | maddash | oooh, skippy...let's see if I can optimize the source... |
| 06:22.35 | liable | beryl/compiz has that thingo too |
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| 06:23.51 | maddash | doesn't kompose require the kde libs? (`df` says "Ouch." ps and top are muffled by enouf.) |
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| 06:26.49 | maddash | is there any way to kill off some of the tty's? I've got 6 of them and I don't use more than 2 at anytime.. |
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| 06:27.49 | marcels | madclicker, comment them out in inittab |
| 06:27.51 | sussudio | maddash: man inittab |
| 06:27.59 | maddash | man inittab |
| 06:28.05 | Supaplex | tony__: never messed with it. poke bts, add something if it bugged you :) |
| 06:28.05 | marcels | madd_matt, that is :) |
| 06:28.29 | maddash | oops. wrong window. heck, wrong machine, for that matter. thanks, sussudio, though. |
| 06:28.57 | Supaplex | bah, recompile with ulibc ;-) |
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| 06:30.05 | bsdboy | Has anyone run into a problem where simple processes on a machine are pegged at 100% CPU (wget, top, perl, etc.) on a fast machine (eg. the machine feels like a 386.. yet theres nothing running on it)? Running 2.6.18-3-686.. |
| 06:30.10 | maddash | hark: you probably told me this before, but my memory isn't as good as yours - what wm are you running? |
| 06:31.28 | Supaplex | bsdboy: do you know of a process that is consuming all the cpu, or are you trying to figure out why the system feels like it's not responding despite no processes indicating high cpu usage? please advise. |
| 06:31.40 | x_link_ | I haven't been able to do apt-get dist-upgrade in a while now. |
| 06:31.46 | maddash | bsdboy : what does `ps aux` say? |
| 06:31.47 | x_link_ | Maybe a week or so. |
| 06:31.55 | x_link_ | Can you guys do it or it's just me? |
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| 06:32.06 | x_link_ | Maybe there is no dist-upgrades right now, I don't know? |
| 06:32.25 | Supaplex | x_link_: uhm, but /why/ ? what's the indication this is the case? |
| 06:32.53 | x_link_ | Supaplex: What? I didn't understand what you mean? |
| 06:32.58 | RhastaW | there is x_link |
| 06:33.12 | x_link_ | Supaplex: You wanna know why it doesn't work or what? |
| 06:33.18 | x_link_ | RhastaW: okey |
| 06:33.34 | RhastaW | no idea why it wouldnt be working for you though |
| 06:33.36 | Azar | x_link_: you want to upgrade from Sarge to Etch? |
| 06:33.50 | x_link_ | No no no... just do a dist-upgrade |
| 06:34.12 | RhastaW | well what is your apt pointing at |
| 06:34.15 | tony__ | Supaplex: I never found an existing bug on it , maybe I'll file one some day, it may be fixed in etch. Thanks for your response. |
| 06:34.18 | Azar | x_link_: well a dist-upgrade is when you move from stable to testing or from testing to unstable |
| 06:34.20 | RhastaW | stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 06:34.49 | Azar | RhastaW: he said he does not want that... > to go up to Etch |
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| 06:35.32 | Azar | I can hear the penny dropping |
| 06:35.32 | Supaplex | x_link: yes, "why" would be helpful for us to understand the crux of your issue. |
| 06:35.38 | x_link_ | http://pastebin.ca/319316 |
| 06:35.39 | RhastaW | i was asking what he currently has his apt pointing at Azar |
| 06:35.42 | x_link_ | There it is. |
| 06:35.43 | RhastaW | im assuming it's not empty |
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| 06:36.05 | x_link_ | Azar: I have done apt-get dist-upgrade alot of times. Without changing version of my Etch. |
| 06:36.16 | Azar | x_link_: that is not good |
| 06:36.16 | RhastaW | lol |
| 06:36.27 | RhastaW | i will leave that one for you im out of here :p |
| 06:36.32 | x_link_ | I use Debian Etch. |
| 06:36.35 | Azar | x_link_: what you should do is : aptitude update ... then aptitude upgrade |
| 06:36.46 | x_link_ | Okey. |
| 06:36.54 | Azar | x_link_: then dist-upgrade would take you to unstable |
| 06:36.55 | x_link_ | d |
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| 06:37.13 | Azar | luckily you did not changed your sources |
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| 06:37.30 | maddash | LOL "/* Skippy - Seduces Kids Into Perversion" <--- *.C inside skippy-0.5.0.tar.bz2 |
| 06:37.44 | x_link_ | Azar: I don't have unstable in my sources.list. I heard that as long as I don't have unstable in my sources.list it will NOT get Unstable. |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | x_link_: good for you. and do not use dist-upgrade anymore, is not good. |
| 06:38.11 | x_link_ | Azar: + I heard that apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades all packages etc. I know that upgrade does that as well. |
| 06:38.20 | blahdeblah | Azar: What's wrong with dist-upgrade? |
| 06:38.20 | x_link_ | Azar: Okey, I will not do that =) |
| 06:38.21 | Azar | x_link_: who told you that lied to you |
| 06:38.34 | bsdboy | What I was saying was, the system basically feels hosed when theres nothing running on it.. Simple things like apt-get are consuming 100% CPU and taking 15 minutes to do a simple 'apt-get update' .. |
| 06:38.36 | x_link_ | Azar: So it's enough with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 06:38.37 | x_link_ | ? |
| 06:38.42 | Azar | blahdeblah: it is wrong |
| 06:38.43 | Supaplex | Azar: a penny dropping is great, but is it quite enough... to hear a pun drop? |
| 06:38.52 | x_link_ | Azar: Okey, the swedish Debian channel told me that =) |
| 06:38.55 | mnuhmnuh | Azar: dist-upgrade does not take you to the next level if you've not changed sources.list |
| 06:38.57 | Azar | no, x_link_ is : 1. aptitude update 2. aptitude upgrade |
| 06:38.59 | bsdboy | Network performance is.. In the hole too |
| 06:39.02 | maddash | bsdboy : pastebin your kernel config. and pastebin the contents of `ps aux`. |
| 06:39.06 | blahdeblah | Azar: I'm just going to take your word for it. ;-) |
| 06:39.10 | blahdeblah | NOT |
| 06:39.12 | Azar | Supaplex: I am getting rich |
| 06:39.20 | x_link_ | Azar: But why do I have to use aptitude? |
| 06:39.24 | bsdboy | maddash: Standard .. linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:39.28 | bsdboy | from unstable |
| 06:39.29 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, whats your hw setup |
| 06:39.34 | bsdboy | Dual Pentium 4 2.6Ghz .. |
| 06:39.38 | blahdeblah | x_link: You don't necessarily, but it is a bit more clever than apt-get |
| 06:39.41 | Azar | x_link: aptitude is an enhanced apt-get... it takes better care of dependencies |
| 06:39.43 | Psy-X | Hello |
| 06:39.45 | IloveMyPuppy | how did you get a mobo for that |
| 06:39.48 | maddash | bsdboy : ...pastebin... |
| 06:39.54 | Psy-X | not sure |
| 06:39.55 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 06:39.55 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:39.56 | hark | maddash: usually ob. but from time to time, i alternate with fluxbox, KDE core, no X. it depends.. |
| 06:40.08 | Azar | Supaplex: noooo is MY hard earned penny |
| 06:40.09 | x_link | Azar & blahdeblah OKey. |
| 06:40.11 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, ive been looking for a dual p4 mobo forever |
| 06:40.17 | maddash | hark: whaaa? "no X"?? |
| 06:40.21 | x_link | So when I install things I should use aptitude install xmms for example? |
| 06:40.25 | IloveMyPuppy | oh the joy of dual northwoods |
| 06:40.32 | hark | maddash: like right now, it's screen ;) |
| 06:40.33 | Azar | x_link: yes it works a tad better |
| 06:40.34 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, a kingdom for a model number |
| 06:40.43 | x_link | Azar: Okey, thanks alot. |
| 06:40.50 | bsdboy | http://pastebin.ca/319318 |
| 06:40.54 | maddash | hark er, don't you need x.org to be running before you can launch a wm? |
| 06:40.55 | Azar | x_link: my pleasure I just made four pennies |
| 06:40.56 | x_link | Azar: Should I use apt-get autoclean sometimes as well or? |
| 06:40.59 | blahdeblah | Azar: So are you going to point me to some information about why not to use aptitude dist-upgrade? :) |
| 06:41.03 | x_link | Azar: hehehe |
| 06:41.19 | bsdboy | IloveMyPuppy: The thing is, it was working fine for a week.. I got some more RAM installed in it, and now it's acting like a POS. |
| 06:41.20 | hark | maddash: then, i suppose no wm ;) |
| 06:41.40 | bsdboy | But doesn't bad RAM usually cause.. kernel panics and programs crashing.. |
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| 06:41.44 | maddash | hark: wait a sec - you're running Openbox w/o X.org? |
| 06:41.49 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, pull out the new ram, its prob not compatible with your old ram - or you may need to set your mem timings manually in the bios nowq |
| 06:41.49 | bsdboy | not 100% CPU usage of every common app on the system, including nano |
| 06:41.50 | Azar | blahdeblah: the dist-upgrade is only used when you move up one version of Debian. Using it without that intention it might lead to interesting mutations |
| 06:41.57 | maddash | hark: you've reached a new level of coolness... |
| 06:42.02 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, yeah thats obviously a ram issue |
| 06:42.14 | markedwards | can anyone tell me if its safe to change an active partition's id using the 't' command in fdisk? will I damage the partition? |
| 06:42.32 | IloveMyPuppy | bsdboy, you should be ok if you make all the ram run at the speed of your slowest ram chips |
| 06:42.44 | hark | maddash: yes, with uber hacks. i equivs'd X and run ob |
| 06:43.13 | maddash | hark: "equivs'd"? |
| 06:43.22 | x_link | Azar: SHIT... I have somethin sid/unstable in my sources.list now. But that's cause I have Beryl. I will show you. |
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| 06:43.40 | x_link | I don't think THIS is how it should be for it to change version. |
| 06:43.45 | x_link | But I will show you now. |
| 06:43.51 | Azar | x_link: possibly now you own a mixed Debian part testing part unstable |
| 06:44.08 | maddash | bsdboy : how much ram do you have? are you swapping anything? chk for "used swap" using `free` |
| 06:44.22 | Azar | x_link: nothing to do about it keep it as long as it works, when breaks, you have to reinstall.. |
| 06:44.36 | x_link | Azar: http://pastebin.ca/319322 |
| 06:44.39 | x_link | Look at line 8 |
| 06:44.49 | blahdeblah | That was one kool quit message that pokharel had... |
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| 06:44.56 | x_link | Azar: But I don't think it's unstable. I think that repo is just called that. |
| 06:45.06 | maddash | hark: did you recompile ob? b/c ob itself makes X api calls... |
| 06:45.12 | bsdboy | maddash: 2GB, it's a fresh boot.. I dont have any swap enabled temporarily to see if that was the problem (because I was using cryptfs for swap), but it's not.. |
| 06:45.22 | hark | maddash: just kidding ;) apt-cache show equivs. |
| 06:45.30 | Supaplex | !tell x_link about unstable |
| 06:45.31 | bsdboy | I had vmware server installed, but I disabled the loading of the kernel modules to see if that was part of the problem, wasn't either. |
| 06:45.35 | tester | i used rcync <source> <dest> on my local machine, is this incremental? |
| 06:46.20 | Azar | x_link: hmm it does not look like that is a deb archive... just a trivial link. |
| 06:46.29 | Supaplex | tester: it's just like cp, unless you use any of the delete options. |
| 06:46.36 | x_link | Azar: Ahh okey. So I'm alright then right? |
| 06:46.48 | x_link | Azar: That's just a Beryl repo I had to have in my sources.list. |
| 06:46.49 | maddash | bsdboy : do you dual-/multi-boot on this box? does the other os face the same problem? |
| 06:46.55 | blahdeblah | Azar: You could have just told me to RTF aptitude M - it explains it well in there. |
| 06:46.57 | bsdboy | No, I don't. It's a dedicated server. |
| 06:46.58 | Azar | x_link: is better to remove that link from sources.list and use it on your browser's favorites |
| 06:46.59 | x_link | Azar: That line will NEVER change my Etch to Unstable, right? |
| 06:47.04 | bsdboy | O |
| 06:47.10 | bsdboy | I'm really thinking it's a hardware problem, sigh. |
| 06:47.17 | Azar | x_link: no I don't think so, but remove it from there |
| 06:47.22 | bsdboy | On the other hand I see "pnp: Device 00:06 disabled. |
| 06:47.25 | bsdboy | in the console. |
| 06:47.26 | maddash | hark: darn, for a moment I thought that you had a breakthrough going on. |
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| 06:47.42 | x_link | Azar: I can't use it in my firefox. |
| 06:47.46 | tester | Supaplex: --delete ? |
| 06:47.49 | Azar | x_link: why not? |
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| 06:48.07 | Azar | x_link: add it to bookmarks |
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| 06:48.09 | Supaplex | tester: yea, rtfm :) |
| 06:48.21 | bsdboy | Im going to try to disable APCI and see if that helps.. |
| 06:49.00 | x_link | Azar: I did... doesn't find server. |
| 06:49.18 | maddash | hark: the results of my most recent wm comparison: icewm (RSS=2356) openbox(RSS=5542)... |
| 06:49.27 | Supaplex | bsdboy: follow up with the lkml if you isolate a acpi issue after using the latest firmware. |
| 06:49.35 | Azar | x_link: one more reason not to keep it in the sources.list |
| 06:49.42 | maddash | hark quite odd, considering that ob is pure C and icewm is C++... |
| 06:49.50 | bsdboy | lkml ? |
| 06:49.58 | Azar | the sources.list is exclusively for debian archives not any other fancy url on the net |
| 06:50.03 | Supaplex | !lkml |
| 06:50.03 | dpkg | i guess lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 06:50.07 | bsdboy | Apologies, I'm primarly a Solaris and *BSD user |
| 06:50.08 | maddash | bsdboy : linux kernel mailing list |
| 06:50.09 | bsdboy | Ah. |
| 06:50.18 | Guerin | bsdboy: you have our commiserations. |
| 06:50.18 | tester | Supaplex: this should be incremental then: rsync -a --delete /etc /mnt/maxtor/Backup/ |
| 06:50.21 | bsdboy | I've never seen memory exhibit this problem.. |
| 06:50.33 | bsdboy | Although, I'm kind of hoping it's a memory issue. |
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| 06:51.14 | Supaplex | tester: I have a makefile on some other box run it all now. 'set it and...forgot it' :-) |
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| 06:52.05 | x_link | Azar: hehe okey. |
| 06:52.10 | tester | Supaplex: so it should be ? |
| 06:52.28 | x_link | Azar: But I don't think it's a problem, since the #Beryl channel told me to set it there. |
| 06:52.43 | x_link | I asked them and told them that I use Etch, and if it would be a problem. |
| 06:52.44 | Supaplex | tester: no idea. I'd have to review the man page frequently until I was sure. |
| 06:53.30 | x_link | Azar: Found a better repo =) |
| 06:53.34 | x_link | For etch.... |
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| 06:55.16 | DimmuR | morning |
| 06:55.34 | maddash | oh god. it's 2AM. |
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| 06:56.24 | Azar | x_link: what is #Beryl? |
| 06:56.45 | x_link | Ahh.. #beryl is the channel for Beryl users. |
| 06:56.53 | x_link | Azar: Never seen/used Beryl? |
| 06:56.58 | Azar | x_link: no |
| 06:57.04 | mnuhmnuh | maddash: no it ain't. some places it's morning. here, midnight. :-) |
| 06:57.20 | Azar | I never heard of this package on Debian |
| 06:57.22 | Supaplex | !beryl |
| 06:57.23 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 06:57.38 | hark | maddash: ah, sorry a bit busy here. don't you mean s/RSS/RES |
| 06:57.50 | x_link | Azar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ TAke a look at that then. |
| 06:57.52 | x_link | I use that. |
| 06:58.15 | Azar | ew, thanks Supaplex |
| 06:58.24 | maddash | mnuhmnuh : well, my selfish gene dictates that I default to *my* timezone. :P take that, Mr. Mid-westerner-with-the-altruistic-gene. |
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| 06:58.41 | maddash | hark: yese. this is what happens when you play with XML all day long. |
| 06:58.53 | maddash | harK s/yese/yes. |
| 06:58.57 | Azar | x_link: if #Beril tells you to use one of their links in the sources.list you better ask them the url of the official site and use it on your firefox bookmarks.. |
| 06:59.19 | DimmuR | Azar: beryl is not in official packages - there was some svn repo for unstable |
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| 06:59.58 | Azar | DimmuR: so he could use a backport but that link was really ... out of this world, everytime he updates/upgrades imagine |
| 07:00.26 | tester | total size is 318809046851 speedup is 3668.01 :) hell of a speedup |
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| 07:00.44 | maddash | XML's time-accelerating effects are amazing... |
| 07:01.02 | tester | lol |
| 07:01.10 | Azar | question: since etch is still in testing, all packages get upgrades (unlike sarge who only gets security upgrades) ? |
| 07:02.50 | hark | ah, but it's frozen. so probably only bug fixes and the usual security updates. |
| 07:03.27 | Supaplex | yes, for details, /msg dpkg frozen |
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| 07:04.10 | Azar | hark, yep that what I was thinking.. |
| 07:04.11 | mnuhmnuh | "only" ... security upgrades?!? Rather have them than the alternative, aka feaping-creaturism. |
| 07:04.42 | Azar | mnuhmnuh: yep, only |
| 07:05.13 | Azar | sad day for some: party is over. what you have is what you got nothing more . |
| 07:05.26 | hark | maddash: heh, let me know when you find the one true wm ;) |
| 07:06.15 | maddash | hark: right about the time I find my one true girl.lol. j/k. |
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| 07:12.21 | gan|y|med | hi |
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| 07:12.42 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.55 | maddash | yes. |
| 07:12.59 | grendal_prime | hey i got a question, got this sarge based router im looking at...thing started acting funny today..turns out the hd is full. |
| 07:13.12 | gan|y|med | maddah: yes for me? |
| 07:13.18 | grendal_prime | i got 4 gigs of error logs on this thing.. |
| 07:13.18 | maddash | yes. |
| 07:13.40 | Azar | stoned, you here/ |
| 07:13.45 | grendal_prime | maybe more..can i just clean out the var/log folder? will that hurt anything? |
| 07:14.06 | x_link | Azar: http://pastebin.ca/319342 |
| 07:14.13 | x_link | Anyway I can fix that? |
| 07:14.19 | Azar | grendal_prime: there are lots of other files/folers inside var/log... see what you want to remove |
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| 07:15.22 | x_link | Azar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ And that is Beryl, I ues that. |
| 07:15.23 | grendal_prime | syslog, kernel, debug are all a gig apiece |
| 07:15.27 | gan|y|med | thx |
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| 07:15.34 | Azar | x_link: public key you find by looking at the topic here or ask dpkg: /msg dpkg public key |
| 07:15.37 | maddash | well, I'm off. |
| 07:15.43 | Zoo | hello everyone |
| 07:16.02 | Zoo | floola is great.. I'm just having some issues |
| 07:16.40 | Zoo | going to watch Syriana, be back later |
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| 07:16.44 | Azar | x_link: good for you I use openbox |
| 07:16.55 | Zoo | hi Azar |
| 07:17.02 | Azar | hi Zo |
| 07:17.04 | Azar | o |
| 07:17.14 | x_link | Azar: Okey |
| 07:17.20 | Zoo | people can use as many as they want really :P |
| 07:17.35 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/319342 DOes anybody know how I can fix that? |
| 07:17.43 | x_link | Azar: Never seen OpenBox |
| 07:17.45 | Zoo | would someone maybe see what problems I might be having with floola and banshee |
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| 07:17.50 | hark | !zoo |
| 07:17.50 | dpkg | i guess zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
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| 07:18.06 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:18.20 | hark | finally not OT. |
| 07:18.39 | Azar | x_link: scroll up and look at the topic |
| 07:18.47 | x_link | OKey. |
| 07:18.56 | hark | dpkg, what are you |
| 07:18.56 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:18.56 | Azar | x_link: it say how to message to dpkg |
| 07:18.59 | rhalff | what are good tools to check the motherboard ? |
| 07:19.19 | Zoo | Everest :-) |
| 07:19.26 | Azar | no gentoobies plzzzzz |
| 07:19.52 | Zoo | later all |
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| 07:19.52 | rhalff | everest is windowsss |
| 07:19.54 | rhalff | :s |
| 07:19.57 | hark | Zoo: read the faq |
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| 07:20.00 | stoned | Azar, yes |
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| 07:20.10 | Azar | honorable stoned! |
| 07:20.22 | Azar | Dell is falling in disgrace now that you left! |
| 07:20.25 | hark | sorry x_link not Zoo |
| 07:20.34 | stoned | Azar, whats going on? |
| 07:20.45 | Zoo | i'll stick to books and powerful information.. the hell with xchat or asking for any help |
| 07:20.46 | Azar | Dell sued now in Canada for defective batteries |
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| 07:21.06 | stoned | I hope dell goes under |
| 07:21.06 | PingFloyd | what xchat got to do with it? |
| 07:21.20 | PingFloyd | xchat never hurt anyone :) |
| 07:21.23 | x_link | Hmmm. debian-archie-keyring is already the latest version. |
| 07:21.25 | stoned | xchat is awesome |
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| 07:21.37 | x_link | stoned: irssi is awesome =) |
| 07:21.41 | PingFloyd | I'm using irssi myself |
| 07:21.51 | Azar | x_link: maybe you need to do with that source what you did with the others in the top? look and see what's missing |
| 07:21.56 | PingFloyd | to hell with irssi!! |
| 07:21.56 | Supaplex | stoned: you mean SONY fuq SONY not dell+apple+ibm and ever other vendor that bought their %@*%$@$(ty batteries! |
| 07:22.06 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 07:22.30 | hark | x_link: no, it's not an official debian repo |
| 07:22.31 | grendal_prime | ok next question |
| 07:22.31 | Supaplex | rulez |
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| 07:22.31 | Supaplex | !start an irc client war |
| 07:22.31 | dpkg | mIRC owns |
| 07:22.31 | x_link | I did what dpkg told me to. |
| 07:22.37 | Azar | hark: he is missing the key |
| 07:22.43 | PingFloyd | fuck you all, my client can beat up all your clients |
| 07:22.46 | grendal_prime | lookinf for a command that will list the largest files on a machine..(in a terminal window, there is no x installed on these boxes) |
| 07:22.50 | Azar | irssi here!! |
| 07:22.55 | stoned | alright |
| 07:22.58 | x_link | Me too =) |
| 07:22.59 | stoned | this is retarded |
| 07:23.04 | stoned | personal preference > * |
| 07:23.08 | stoned | go f yerselves :) |
| 07:23.15 | psychonate | If someone is using telnet, I give him the prize |
| 07:23.16 | Supaplex | oh look mom, a troll! can I keep him? |
| 07:23.18 | Azar | stoned: Im keeping an eye on Dell for you :) |
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| 07:23.24 | stoned | Thanks lol |
| 07:23.27 | rhalff | what the hell is there to like about an irc client :p |
| 07:23.30 | Supaplex | psychonate: does netcat count? :P |
| 07:23.37 | psychonate | er, for IRC? |
| 07:23.43 | Supaplex | yeaw hehe |
| 07:24.08 | psychonate | no |
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| 07:25.03 | hark | x_link: so debian_archive_keyring won't import that key |
| 07:25.20 | x_link | hark: Okey, how should I fix this? |
| 07:25.28 | x_link | If you would like to help a newbie like me. =) |
| 07:25.37 | hark | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 07:25.38 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 07:26.15 | hark | x_link: /msg dpkg apt-key ^^ |
| 07:26.21 | x_link | ahh thanks |
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| 07:26.55 | x_link | Always something to do/fix in Linux =) Not like Windows XP hehe |
| 07:26.58 | hark | or read the FAQ at debian-multimedia.org :) |
| 07:27.07 | psychonate | sweet moses, that topic is long |
| 07:27.11 | mattfury | im going to do debian support again :) |
| 07:27.12 | PingFloyd | x_link: that's because Windows can't be fixed |
| 07:27.17 | x_link | heheheh |
| 07:27.26 | PingFloyd | it's fubar |
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| 07:27.43 | PingFloyd | or is it, foobar? |
| 07:27.51 | mattfury | foobar |
| 07:28.23 | x_link | hark: dpkg doesn't tell me anything. |
| 07:28.31 | x_link | Maybe I should give it more time. |
| 07:28.36 | PingFloyd | I find it funny how howtos use foo and bar, when it actually should be fu and bar |
| 07:28.58 | mattfury | x_link, what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:30.00 | x_link | mattfury: http://pastebin.ca/319342 Fix that. |
| 07:31.54 | mattfury | well... |
| 07:32.01 | mattfury | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main <-- is in your sources.list |
| 07:32.14 | x_link | mattfury: I know... Shouldn't it be that? |
| 07:32.22 | mattfury | in the terminal try |
| 07:32.26 | mattfury | apt-get update |
| 07:32.31 | x_link | I did... |
| 07:32.40 | x_link | That's when that message comes up at the end. |
| 07:33.12 | hark | x_link: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 07:33.18 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/319354 |
| 07:33.21 | x_link | Look at the bottom. |
| 07:33.22 | x_link | Okey |
| 07:33.24 | Supaplex | !fix windows |
| 07:33.33 | PingFloyd | it's saying it couldn't verify it's authenticity because it couldn't find the gpg key |
| 07:33.45 | hark | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 07:33.46 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 07:34.30 | PingFloyd | it's more of a warning than error, but it would be good idea to verify it |
| 07:34.35 | mattfury | !apt-key 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 07:34.35 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 ; gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 07:34.54 | x_link | mattfury: Found it on the site --> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 07:35.05 | mattfury | which sites that? |
| 07:35.12 | x_link | The one you gave me. |
| 07:35.26 | x_link | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 07:35.39 | x_link | "If you don't use sudo, do the following under root : |
| 07:35.41 | x_link | gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -" |
| 07:36.02 | mattfury | ok |
| 07:36.27 | hark | !win mattfury |
| 07:36.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, mattfury! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 07:36.30 | x_link | hmm didn't work. |
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| 07:36.49 | mattfury | yay meat! |
| 07:37.18 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/319356 |
| 07:37.32 | x_link | mattfury: Is that public key important? |
| 07:37.42 | x_link | Maybe I should fix it anyways.... |
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| 07:38.05 | Dewi | x_link: did you import it first? |
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| 07:38.41 | mattfury | using sudo? |
| 07:38.44 | mattfury | e.g. |
| 07:38.47 | hark | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 07:38.47 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 07:38.55 | mattfury | user@home:/ |
| 07:38.57 | mattfury | su |
| 07:38.59 | mattfury | password |
| 07:39.07 | mattfury | root@home/ |
| 07:39.08 | hark | x_link: just follow that |
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| 07:43.06 | mattfury | x_link, which deb are you using? |
| 07:43.10 | mattfury | etch, sarge, ? |
| 07:43.58 | Supaplex | [ bang head here ] |
| 07:45.01 | mattfury | no |
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| 07:47.23 | mattfury | sorry if i cant really help, im using windows |
| 07:47.47 | Azar | :) sweet |
| 07:47.47 | mattfury | and i stopped using windows because i was sick of not being able to use windows programs |
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| 07:48.51 | Supaplex | but isn't glass fragile? why let anything run on it? |
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| 07:49.43 | Supaplex | no effect. pain meds are too effective. |
| 07:49.45 | manoflinux | hi guys. having wireless debian problems. I have two zydas usb sticks. I used module assistant to install the zd1211 driver, and dont get a wlan0, after I install the drivers and insert the stick I dont a wlan0. what I am doing wrong? |
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| 07:50.16 | Supaplex | manoflinux: w/ or w/o iwconfig? |
| 07:50.27 | Supaplex | !iwconfig |
| 07:50.27 | dpkg | well, iwconfig is part of the wireless-tools package. |
| 07:50.34 | manoflinux | its installed. |
| 07:51.04 | manoflinux | !iwconfig |
| 07:51.04 | dpkg | iwconfig is, like, part of the wireless-tools package. |
| 07:51.20 | Supaplex | ok, I'm stumped. why? |
| 07:51.40 | manoflinux | yep I did a apt-get install wireless-tools and it says its up to date. |
| 07:52.29 | manoflinux | I have to do a ifconfig wlan0 up before I use iwconfig right? |
| 07:52.52 | manoflinux | my problem is that ifconfig wlan0 up says there is no wlan0 |
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| 07:53.37 | Supaplex | iwconfig can create devices to, depeneding on the driver. |
| 07:53.48 | Supaplex | s/device/interface/ |
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| 07:54.55 | manoflinux | how can I create the device using iwconfig? |
| 07:55.07 | dragonthunder | hello everyone.. I am not able to install a kernel image.. I basically installed fail2ban on my other box and it required init-tools which for somereason required all the kernel modeules and kernel image to be removed I thought it was going to update the kernel but it just completely removed it. |
| 07:55.25 | Guerin | dragonthunder: you shouldn't mix distributions |
| 07:55.28 | dragonthunder | No I have no kernel.. I haven't rebooted since it happened.. Trying to figure out what to do. |
| 07:55.54 | Guerin | dragonthunder: you need to remove fail2ban and whatever it includes and reinstall the kernel |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | manoflinux: you don't create a device using iwconfig |
| 07:56.16 | dragonthunder | what do you mean mix distros ? I just did and apt-get install fail2ban |
| 07:56.22 | dragonthunder | ok |
| 07:56.42 | dragonthunder | thats just a silly thing to happen though. |
| 07:57.11 | Guerin | dragonthunder: the circumstance you describe would only happen if you were running stable or so, and installed fail2ban from another source |
| 07:57.25 | Guerin | so, yes, it is silly to mix branches |
| 07:58.15 | PingFloyd | dragonthunder: he means like mixing etch and sarge etc. |
| 07:58.32 | PingFloyd | or stable, testing, unstable etc |
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| 08:07.53 | manoflinux | guerin, how do I create the device? |
| 08:09.40 | brainly-green | debian is a form of *nix |
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| 08:10.41 | hark | manoflinux: does iwconfig show any devices with wireless extensions? |
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| 08:12.23 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:12.54 | mattfury | you could try unplugging and replugging it |
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| 08:13.24 | manoflinux | thanks hark let me check |
| 08:13.58 | manoflinux | nope |
| 08:14.18 | Guerin | manoflinux: what wireless card is it? |
| 08:14.18 | hark | what if you modprobe -r and then modprobe the driver? |
| 08:14.43 | manoflinux | airlink101 awll3025 and a wifimax |
| 08:15.12 | Guerin | manoflinux: is it supported by the linux kernel, and if so, do you need to build any additonal modules for it? |
| 08:16.40 | manoflinux | nope just the zd1211 driver according to the ins. |
| 08:17.02 | manoflinux | ok in dmesg I get "couldn't load firmware. " |
| 08:17.53 | Guerin | manoflinux: put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
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| 08:18.07 | Guerin | manoflinux: get it from http://zd1211.ath.cx/ |
| 08:18.18 | manoflinux | ok. let me look. |
| 08:18.24 | manoflinux | and thanks. |
| 08:18.27 | hark | there's also zd1211-firmware in non-free |
| 08:19.20 | Guerin | mm, nifty |
| 08:19.42 | manoflinux | will apt-get install zd1211-firmware put it in the correct dir? |
| 08:19.47 | Supaplex | firmware makes the world go round |
| 08:19.51 | Guerin | manoflinux: in principle. |
| 08:19.59 | Supaplex | the middle ages makes it go flat |
| 08:20.00 | Guerin | evil firmware blobs |
| 08:20.41 | Guerin | and stupid, too |
| 08:20.51 | Supaplex | !lart stupid evil firmware blobs |
| 08:20.57 | Guerin | read intel's rationale as to why they can't free the firmware: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 08:21.01 | Supaplex | oh no, it'll infect dpkg now. |
| 08:21.06 | Guerin | funny as hell |
| 08:21.27 | Guerin | bcoz OMG u might do teh bads wit it lol |
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| 08:22.09 | Supaplex | typical corporate CYA |
| 08:22.35 | Guerin | the stupid thing about it being that their arse is covered by the warranty disclaimer in the GPL |
| 08:22.40 | Guerin | ad any other sane license |
| 08:23.02 | Supaplex | yupyupyup |
| 08:23.39 | Supaplex | be my guest. |
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| 08:23.50 | Guerin | no, i mean, if it were haxx0rable |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | etc. |
| 08:24.00 | PingFloyd | sounds like a bunch legal mumbo jumbo to me |
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| 08:24.34 | Supaplex | it's pretty sad when you can hire someone to write crap that noone but their own kind will understand :-d |
| 08:25.00 | hark | huh, so there's no firmware free open source wireless card drivers? |
| 08:25.10 | Supaplex | there's atheros |
| 08:25.15 | Guerin | hark: of course there are |
| 08:25.19 | PingFloyd | it's the mentality of the closed source world |
| 08:25.26 | Guerin | it's just that intel have the 2200 to sell |
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| 08:25.34 | Guerin | any sufficiently advanced jargon is indistunguishable from a spell |
| 08:25.43 | hark | yeah, that's why that 'notice' is crap |
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| 08:28.41 | cydork | Guerin: you mean we had rights??? :) |
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| 08:29.04 | Guerin | cydork: No, you just *thought* you had rights. |
| 08:29.09 | manoflinux | thanks guerin. no more cant load firmware error. |
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| 08:29.14 | PingFloyd | cydork: the right not to buy their crap |
| 08:29.21 | Guerin | manoflinux: what does iwconfig say now? |
| 08:29.43 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 08:29.45 | Guerin | PingFloyd: yeh, i didn't research this stinkpad too much before buying it |
| 08:29.45 | manoflinux | guerin still nothing |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | manoflinux: then something else is wrong. Does the module seem loaded in lsmod? anything in dmesg? |
| 08:30.32 | PingFloyd | even when researching hardware, there usually seems to be some surprises left after hooking it up |
| 08:30.38 | Guerin | PingFloyd: yeh. |
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| 08:30.55 | Guerin | tbf, the firmware is the only thing this needs to be an awesome laptop |
| 08:31.04 | Guerin | but it's still evil |
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| 08:31.41 | bodydrop | hei...finally got network going. i'm installing stuff. but i got a question i could see on mans: how do i find out which files a given package installed? |
| 08:31.46 | larsl | Just out of curiousity, what is the spike in release-critical bugs on this graph around january 2006? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:31.50 | bodydrop | i couldnt* |
| 08:31.53 | Guerin | bodydrop: dpkg -L |
| 08:32.02 | bodydrop | Guerin: ah, thx |
| 08:32.20 | Guerin | bodydrop: man dpkg is worth a read, it has a bunch of functionality not in apt* directly |
| 08:32.41 | Guerin | though all its functions are available in apt* through -o |
| 08:33.02 | bodydrop | Guerin: i forgot about dpkg..i was searching furiosly the apt* mans |
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| 08:33.50 | manoflinux | sweet it works now. |
| 08:33.58 | manoflinux | GUERIN IS THE MAN!! |
| 08:34.18 | Guerin | i blame google |
| 08:34.28 | hark | !love Guerin |
| 08:34.42 | Guerin | long time fie dollah |
| 08:34.52 | hark | hehe |
| 08:35.49 | Guerin | though it's normally ten dollah nowadays, or so I'm told |
| 08:35.55 | tralala | google lacks a crutial feature though - automatic irc question answering |
| 08:35.56 | PingFloyd | inflation |
| 08:36.07 | Guerin | tralala: i want to be able to search on regexp |
| 08:36.35 | Guerin | tralala: like foo{bar,baz,bling} |
| 08:36.43 | PingFloyd | yeah, that kind of limits it in a big way |
| 08:36.48 | Supaplex | google has creeping crap just like every megasite |
| 08:37.42 | Guerin | mm, newgrass, the Taliban and tea |
| 08:37.47 | tralala | Guerin, man you must be a very sophisticated searcher. I've never felt the need to do regex googling |
| 08:37.50 | Guerin | that's the rest of my evening, folks |
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| 08:37.56 | Supaplex | their search expressions aren't all that adept in some situations. eg, searching for "foo" but not neccessarily "foo bar" (but not to ignore "foo bar" on all pages) |
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| 08:38.09 | Guerin | tralala: i'm used to academic databases :) |
| 08:38.42 | Supaplex | Guerin: funny that, we have a similar annoyance :-) |
| 08:38.54 | Guerin | i think it's probably pretty common |
| 08:38.59 | Supaplex | google re is weak. |
| 08:39.19 | Guerin | i want to be able to rgrep -e the intarwebs |
| 08:39.32 | Supaplex | google foo | grep ... |
| 08:39.33 | Supaplex | heh |
| 08:39.41 | tralala | next thing? sql interface to google? That would be interesting. |
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| 08:40.44 | Guerin | in the future, with gige on every box, I envisage a shell script along the lines of google --hits 100 |wget -r |grep bar |
| 08:40.58 | Guerin | and maybe `uniq' as well |
| 08:40.59 | PingFloyd | merely just having a couple of key features would make a world of difference. Regex is a good example of one that make a huge one. |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | PingFloyd: for about 0.1% of googlers |
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| 08:41.35 | Dewi | PingFloyd: how would you index something for regex searching? |
| 08:41.37 | PingFloyd | I know, but that's because they cater to retarded proof |
| 08:41.38 | tralala | or more like 0.01% |
| 08:41.54 | Dewi | PingFloyd: it would be much much harder to implement |
| 08:42.04 | tralala | I mean I *love* regex and yet I can't care less if google supports it |
| 08:42.22 | Supaplex | we're diminishing returns for google :`( |
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| 08:43.12 | Dewi | google has something that regex does not, actually: "sql server" -microsoft |
| 08:43.30 | Dewi | you can't exclude things with a single regex and it annoys me frequently |
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| 08:43.49 | Alakazamz0r | any help would be appreiciated: http://pastebin.ca/319385 |
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| 08:45.22 | KoluCCi | Hi all! Is it normal, that newest Etch is going under Low memory mode at my Compaq Presario 1810 with 64Mb RAM? |
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| 08:45.37 | Alakazamz0r | ok eighty-six that last post, here's the new problem: http://pastebin.ca/319386 |
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| 08:45.53 | Alakazamz0r | KoluCCi, yes |
| 08:45.53 | tralala | Alakazamz0r, perhaps it needs initialization of some sort. Anything in /usr/share/doc/bacula? |
| 08:45.55 | Alakazamz0r | i'd say |
| 08:46.10 | Alakazamz0r | tralala, you see the new paste? http://pastebin.ca/319386 |
| 08:46.20 | deebu | hi all...im new to debian... |
| 08:46.21 | Alakazamz0r | very bacula specific problem. |
| 08:46.27 | Alakazamz0r | welcome deebu |
| 08:46.29 | KoluCCi | Alakazamz0r, why so? Previous Etch didn't do that... |
| 08:46.29 | Alakazamz0r | :) |
| 08:46.39 | deebu | plz temme whether i shud choose opensuse 10.2 or etch? |
| 08:46.43 | KoluCCi | deebu, Welcome! You've made good choice! |
| 08:46.53 | Supaplex | Alakazamz0r: strace -fo log -- /etc/init.d/... start then look for mysql.sock, see if the path is correct. fix config to match. |
| 08:46.57 | KoluCCi | deebu, HolyWar? :) |
| 08:47.00 | Alakazamz0r | KoluCCi, 17-Jan 02:36 bacula-dir: Fatal error: Version error for database "bacula". Wanted 10, got 8 |
| 08:47.37 | deebu | KoluCCi, but ive heard a lot that opensuse 10.2 is extremely polished...!? and it looks sooooo nice and has FF2.0 |
| 08:47.58 | Guerin | deebu: suse=luse |
| 08:48.04 | Guerin | novell=hell |
| 08:48.15 | Alakazamz0r | debu 10.2 is eyecandy, but its slow as hell |
| 08:48.17 | Dewi | Guerin: no that's dell |
| 08:48.18 | hark | FF the killer app |
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| 08:48.22 | Alakazamz0r | or maybe im spoiled w/Debian |
| 08:48.29 | Dewi | Guerin: novell is... hovel or something |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | and, yes, i know opensuse isn't novell |
| 08:48.45 | Alakazamz0r | it takes LITERALY like 30 seconds to install a 200kB package |
| 08:48.48 | Supaplex | deebu: www.debian.org = look for about. |
| 08:48.59 | deebu | Alakazamz0r, but many ppl say it runs fast..only yast is a bit slow.. |
| 08:49.01 | Supaplex | eg, about debian. |
| 08:49.40 | PingFloyd | deebu: I would say go with Debian, but consider the channel you're asking |
| 08:49.56 | deebu | ive also heard that debian devs keep fighting wid themselves...not to offend anyone here...does that not cast doubt on how long debian is here to stay?? |
| 08:49.58 | PingFloyd | everyone here probably like Debian alot for all their own reasons |
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| 08:50.11 | Guerin | deebu: haha |
| 08:50.12 | PingFloyd | s/like/likes |
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| 08:50.27 | PingFloyd | deebu: all devs fight with themselves |
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| 08:50.45 | PingFloyd | it tends to be their nature |
| 08:51.07 | Supaplex | devs have their own holy wars. atleast we now know perl > python,php,etc |
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| 08:51.14 | PingFloyd | devs aren't usually known for being very socially graceful, ya know |
| 08:51.38 | KoluCCi | deebu, commercial or/and RPM-based distros are eye-candy and nothing else... :) |
| 08:51.43 | Guerin | these people are all alpha-geeks; they've not chosen their lives because they're simple, good-natured hard-working peons |
| 08:51.59 | deebu | hmm....i want go with an OS which im sure will be around for many many years....does debian fit this criteria? or does suse? |
| 08:52.46 | PingFloyd | deebu: I doubt debian is going to disappear anytime soon |
| 08:52.50 | Alakazamz0r | deebu, yes... thats what i mean |
| 08:52.57 | PingFloyd | if anything, it's probably likely to be the last distro to |
| 08:52.59 | Guerin | debian does. suse is another story, particularly given the distinction between opensuse and sles, etc. |
| 08:53.06 | Alakazamz0r | But I must say, as far as boot times, etc... it cant keep up w/debian testing |
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| 08:53.17 | Arafangio1 | Can I just use a naive "ssh-keygen", or should I keep a few things in mind? |
| 08:53.24 | deebu | i know etch is faster than opensuse |
| 08:53.36 | Supaplex | deebu: debian is corporate neutral, it's here to stay regardless of what some overpaid hot shot thinks to do with it next. |
| 08:54.07 | Guerin | Arafangio1: ? |
| 08:54.12 | PingFloyd | yeah, that's a good point, debian is pretty agnostic except for the philosophy of open source |
| 08:54.13 | KoluCCi | deebu, Debian, IMHO, is the LAST distro that matches GNU everywhere |
| 08:55.09 | KoluCCi | Slackware? No. Gentoo? Ohhh, NO! |
| 08:55.10 | KoluCCi | SUSE, FC, Mandriva? NO! |
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| 08:55.12 | PingFloyd | that's the one area that anyone really should give a shit about anyway |
| 08:55.12 | KoluCCi | Debian! :) |
| 08:55.12 | Guerin | KoluCCi: it doesn't really. It still has non-free, and blobs. |
| 08:55.13 | PingFloyd | instead of about the latest technology fad |
| 08:55.13 | KoluCCi | Guerin, yep, but other times matters root file-tree and other's |
| 08:55.37 | KoluCCi | I don't like distro's which maintainers had changed filetree |
| 08:55.40 | Guerin | PingFloyd: not open source; free software. Debian's DFSG is even more draconian than the FSF definition of free. |
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| 08:56.17 | deebu | hmmm...so u mean debian's gona stay longer than any other distro...what if future generation debian devs lose their interest in debian? with novell one can be sure that novell will keep em motivated with money! |
| 08:56.27 | Guerin | see year-long flamewar over the GFDL on -legal |
| 08:56.54 | deebu | i want to use ff 2.0 on etch...how do i do this? |
| 08:56.55 | Guerin | deebu: there are 1,000 or so debian developers who can't be fired or `restructured' |
| 08:56.58 | Guerin | you tell me |
| 08:57.32 | PingFloyd | deebu: some devs do lose interest |
| 08:57.39 | KoluCCi | deebu, if you want integrated system - you can use SuSe or other commercial. If you want to stay stable, free and simple - Debian for you |
| 08:57.40 | Guerin | use the sid package, or use the mozilla binary until it filters down |
| 08:57.42 | PingFloyd | but there is always more people that become involved |
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| 08:57.56 | Zap-W | what is rasterizer , i cant find it in the dictonary |
| 08:58.19 | deebu | KoluCCi, so debian aint "integrated"? what do u mean by this term actually? |
| 08:58.22 | KoluCCi | deebu, me, I'm using Xubuntu now, ehich based on Debian :) But on my notebook i'm installing Debian Etch now :) |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | Zap-W: a rasteriser is something which takes vector or path images, or fonts, or such, and makes it into a bitmap image |
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| 08:59.07 | deebu | KoluCCi, but i think using the sid package may cause unnecessary system upgrade? |
| 08:59.10 | KoluCCi | deebu, integrated... errrhm. : Support, restructurde software, corporate platforms, services and other. |
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| 08:59.14 | Alakazamz0r | see what i get for hacking programs... http://pastebin.ca/319390 |
| 08:59.15 | Guerin | deebu: just try it and see for yourself. It only takes half an hour to install. |
| 08:59.40 | DavidProck1981 | who can tell me more about marillat.etch |
| 08:59.45 | Guerin | deebu: not if you do it properly, which we can help you with. |
| 08:59.53 | PingFloyd | yeah, you'll probably either love it or hate it |
| 09:00.02 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 09:00.16 | KoluCCi | Guerin, or less than half hour, if he has fast PC and two binary DVD :) |
| 09:00.20 | Guerin | with which we can help you, i mean |
| 09:00.27 | PingFloyd | or maybe somedays hate it and other days love it |
| 09:00.31 | Guerin | KoluCCi: right. which I don't :) |
| 09:01.10 | KoluCCi | Guerin, :) PII-300MHz with 64 Mb RAM and 6 Gb 5400 rpm HDD will take a long time... :) |
| 09:01.39 | smimp | Alakazamz0r: ouch |
| 09:01.45 | Alakazamz0r | yeah, heh |
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| 09:01.50 | Alakazamz0r | assz0r |
| 09:02.03 | deebu | im really glad debian has come out wid a kde cd.. |
| 09:02.31 | KoluCCi | Guerin, only installing a base system took for about 25 minutes :) |
| 09:02.48 | Guerin | KoluCCi: i've installed it on a dx4-66 with 24MB |
| 09:02.48 | deebu | but when i tried installing xfce cd...it gave many probs...said its the wrong kernel image...and asked to put a floppy inside for my network card's drivers...i was puzzled! |
| 09:02.54 | Guerin | and a 540MB drive |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | THAT took a long damn time |
| 09:03.02 | Alakazamz0r | # sources.list generated by apt-spy v3.1 |
| 09:03.02 | Alakazamz0r | deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ testing main |
| 09:03.06 | Alakazamz0r | apt-spy is the lic |
| 09:03.13 | BrownFrog | Yeah, with Debian, net-install works best for me; install just what you want and not have to worry about what's on what CD |
| 09:03.23 | Alakazamz0r | YES BrownFrog ! |
| 09:03.25 | KoluCCi | deebu, if you're newbie with linux at all, try Kubuntu, which is based on Debian Etch and have good integration of KDE :) |
| 09:03.29 | BrownFrog | (And you can start net-install with just floppies!) |
| 09:03.29 | Alakazamz0r | thank god someone understands |
| 09:03.34 | KoluCCi | deebu, Kubuntu is eye-candy like SuSE :) |
| 09:04.05 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: It depends on your computer; on mine at least, Kubuntu gives me trouble, while Debian works flawlessly (and yes, I use KDE too!) |
| 09:04.12 | deebu | KoluCCi, i HATE kubuntu...they've made kde so gnomish in it! im not using ubuntu for sure....plz recommend other stuff |
| 09:04.35 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, hehe. I think so! And using Binary1 and Binary2 DVD only for big number of workstations |
| 09:04.40 | KoluCCi | deebu, gnomish? WHERE? |
| 09:04.54 | Guerin | KoluCCi: brown? :) |
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| 09:05.01 | deebu | KoluCCi, ya they've made konqueror look like nautilus..UGGGHHHH! |
| 09:05.07 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: Yeah, the DVD's are good too; I never do a CD install though ;) |
| 09:05.09 | smimp | deebu: all you need is blackbox ;p (says from gnome session) |
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| 09:05.21 | KoluCCi | deebu, Kopnwueror? maybe Firefox or Opera will be better? :) |
| 09:05.30 | deebu | i need KDE... |
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| 09:05.34 | BrownFrog | (Either net-install or DVD's if I want to install on multiple computers or use my computer while downloading) |
| 09:05.42 | PingFloyd | all you really need is some kind of command line prompt |
| 09:05.51 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, hmmm. At home - Kubuntu, at my personal NB - Kubuntu. At work on PC - Xubuntu, At work NB - Debian Etch. |
| 09:05.53 | deebu | KoluCCi, but i need a good file manager... |
| 09:06.09 | KoluCCi | smimp, OpenBox3 I think better than BB :) |
| 09:06.26 | deebu | debian is better den ubuntu a thousand times... |
| 09:06.26 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: Sounds good. I like to play around with distros, so I have several all here on my one home computer |
| 09:06.28 | KoluCCi | deebu, Krusader. :) |
| 09:06.45 | PingFloyd | deebu: there's tons, take your pick |
| 09:06.45 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, VMWare rocks! :) |
| 09:06.54 | PingFloyd | use whatever filemanager you want |
| 09:07.04 | deebu | so i find many ubuntu ppl here on debian channel;) |
| 09:07.18 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: In theory ;) Call me old-fashioned, but I still prefer to multi-boot |
| 09:07.20 | PingFloyd | or even better yet, don't even use a filemanager at all since they're a crutch in the long run |
| 09:07.42 | KoluCCi | deebu, coz Ubuntu based on debian. So many question are simillar |
| 09:08.01 | smimp | any way to attach screen to an already running terminal session? |
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| 09:08.10 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, old-style rocks! But sometimes VMWare faster and easier for use :) |
| 09:08.12 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: (Though I do use VirtualBox for small, less-resource hungry distributions, and FreeDOS) |
| 09:08.14 | PingFloyd | smimp: screen -r |
| 09:08.29 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: Agreed; best tools for the job and all that :) |
| 09:08.39 | deebu | plz releease Etch as soon as possible...i cant wait to install it |
| 09:08.39 | Zap-W | in type : string , int , charset , Bool and Double , what is "double" |
| 09:09.16 | qt | Speeking of VMware can you run a windows voice answering service of a modem through it? |
| 09:09.19 | hark | Zap-W: floating point number.. |
| 09:09.36 | KoluCCi | deebu, you can use Net-Install image and use it how you want :) |
| 09:10.03 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: I can hear your PM's but I don't think you can get mine; it's complaining as I'm not a registered user |
| 09:10.04 | KoluCCi | qt, sorry, haven't try out yet ;) I don't like Windows at all :) |
| 09:10.21 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, sorry |
| 09:10.31 | PingFloyd | deebu: you can install it right this second if you want |
| 09:10.38 | BrownFrog | KoluCCi: Not your fault; blame the spammers for such a policy I guess |
| 09:10.57 | KoluCCi | BrownFrog, I know. It's good style, IMHO |
| 09:11.14 | qt | KoluCCi: thanks :) well do you know of any good answer phone apps for linux with out installing the whole of asterisk? |
| 09:11.47 | Supaplex | cute, apt-file says wlanconfig is in madwifi-tools, but aptitude says Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "madwifi-tools" |
| 09:11.50 | KoluCCi | qt, you want VOICE answer, I mean? |
| 09:12.00 | PingFloyd | an answering machine |
| 09:12.07 | smimp | PingFloyd: don't need to reattach.. i have something, lets say irssi running and would somehow like to have screen own without restarting |
| 09:12.30 | hark | Supaplex: you have contrib enabled? |
| 09:12.36 | smimp | PingFloyd: not a big deal though.. doubt its even possible |
| 09:12.47 | PingFloyd | smimp: I'm not sure how to |
| 09:12.51 | KoluCCi | qt, have you tried mgetty? I was using mgetty for dial-in servers, but never for answers of voice calls - may be it can do that... |
| 09:12.54 | PingFloyd | good question though |
| 09:13.02 | DavidProck1981 | someone told me if I want to transcode movies and burn them to dvd and stuff like that, I would need marillat, ok I did what dpkg saied, not how do I know what to select to install (or and) use? |
| 09:13.08 | PingFloyd | I'd like to know too |
| 09:13.20 | smimp | \q |
| 09:13.33 | Supaplex | hark: thanks. I had on security only. odd :p |
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| 09:14.03 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i run a bat file? |
| 09:14.23 | Supaplex | no such animal. you must be thinking of dos. |
| 09:14.30 | KoluCCi | Question: what should I do, if my Atheros-based WiFi card (D-Link DWL-G650 C.3) found accesspoints, but can't connect to them? |
| 09:14.42 | hark | wine, probably |
| 09:14.49 | PingFloyd | Danielss89: reprogram it into a shell script :) |
| 09:14.52 | qt | KoluCCi: thank I'll have a look at is. What I am looking for is ogg compression of messages and email forwarding, individual voice boxes, caller id and may be voice recognition... or am I dreaming |
| 09:15.05 | PingFloyd | or use something like dosbox |
| 09:15.11 | enouf | PingFloyd: perhaps http://dtach.sourceforge.net/ for that other guy asking |
| 09:15.21 | Danielss89 | hehe PingFloyd im trying to install drone bot on my debian, and to start it i have to run drone.bat |
| 09:15.22 | Supaplex | Danielss89: what's the bat file do? |
| 09:15.29 | Danielss89 | ^^ |
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| 09:15.33 | Supaplex | humm |
| 09:15.51 | PingFloyd | thanks enouf |
| 09:15.52 | Danielss89 | there is a .sh file also |
| 09:16.01 | KoluCCi | qt, email forwarding and caller id works fine! |
| 09:16.10 | KoluCCi | and also fax recieving |
| 09:16.14 | Supaplex | Danielss89: if you trust it, just run the shell script. chmod +x file ; ./file |
| 09:17.38 | qt | KoluCCi: in mgetty? |
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| 09:18.31 | Arafangio1 | Why are my permissions like this? |
| 09:18.34 | Arafangio1 | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/stephen/.ssh/. |
| 09:18.41 | Arafangio1 | That's the output of ls -lah |
| 09:18.46 | blondie | o.O |
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| 09:18.55 | blondie | Arafangio1: what does stat say? |
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| 09:19.08 | KoluCCi | qt, yep |
| 09:19.11 | Supaplex | Arafangio1: chmod 700 . |
| 09:19.17 | Arafangio1 | stat: cannot stat `/home/stephen/.ssh/.': Permission denied |
| 09:19.24 | blondie | ah right yes |
| 09:19.31 | KoluCCi | Arafangio1, may be localization fault? |
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| 09:19.46 | Arafangio1 | KoluCCi: No. |
| 09:19.53 | KoluCCi | hmmm |
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| 09:20.08 | qt | KoluCCi: Thanks for your help. |
| 09:20.30 | Arafangio1 | Supaplex: But... why did it display that? |
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| 09:20.47 | Arafangio1 | Supaplex: How could I see what was in there if I supposedly had no permission? |
| 09:20.51 | KoluCCi | qt, NP :) |
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| 09:21.06 | qt | Now before I go to bed can some one show me the correct use of tar --exlcude ? |
| 09:21.21 | qt | I keep on getting doubled up folders |
| 09:21.24 | Supaplex | Arafangio1: read but no search, eg dr-------- |
| 09:21.54 | Arafangio1 | Supaplex: I see, interesting :) |
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| 09:23.29 | PingFloyd | qt: what do you mean by doubled up folders? |
| 09:24.02 | Supaplex | qt: show us the full command line if you can |
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| 09:25.23 | PingFloyd | qt: --exclude= is where you put a pattern for files and directories to exclude |
| 09:25.28 | PingFloyd | like a wildcard |
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| 09:28.26 | Alakazamz0r | wth |
| 09:28.27 | Alakazamz0r | htplas31:/usr/src/bacula# aptitude show mtx |
| 09:28.28 | Alakazamz0r | Package: mtx |
| 09:28.28 | Alakazamz0r | State: not installed |
| 09:28.28 | Alakazamz0r | Version: 1.2.17rel-2 |
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| 09:28.41 | Alakazamz0r | sorry |
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| 09:31.39 | qt | Supaplex: Hi just got back from testing different combinations. What I am trying to achive is to excudle more that one folder from the archive eg tar -czf $BU . --exclude=tmp tar log |
| 09:32.30 | qt | also tried tar -czf $BU . --exclude=./tmp ./tar ./log as well |
| 09:32.58 | qt | It excludes the first folder in the string but doubles up the others ?/ |
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| 09:33.59 | qt | Opps that ^^ was all for PingFloyd not Supaplex sorry |
| 09:34.05 | Alakazamz0r | w00t @ Starting Bacula Storage daemon: bacula-sd. |
| 09:34.47 | cydork | qt: put all those in a file and use --exclude-from |
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| 09:35.23 | qt | hey cydork.... how do I put them in a flie? |
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| 09:35.39 | qt | oh a txt file? |
| 09:35.59 | qt | space or line separated? |
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| 09:36.29 | PingFloyd | yeah, in a text file, or you can use a pattern |
| 09:36.39 | cydork | qt: both should work i think. |
| 09:37.06 | PingFloyd | not sure, but perhaps try ./{tmp,tar,log} |
| 09:37.06 | qt | PingFloyd: thanks for you help but whats a pattern? |
| 09:37.17 | PingFloyd | not sure if it will accept that though |
| 09:37.20 | qt | {} = pattern? |
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| 09:37.43 | PingFloyd | pattern usually means using meta-characters etc |
| 09:38.20 | PingFloyd | the {} is more of expansion afaik |
| 09:38.44 | qt | Sorry PingFloyd you lost me what are meta-characters? |
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| 09:39.16 | PingFloyd | qt: they're like *,?, and . |
| 09:39.48 | qt | PingFloyd: to make It easyer for me to understand how would you do that line tar -czf $BU . --exclude=tmp log tar? |
| 09:40.36 | qt | ah so a * wild card is a meta-character :) |
| 09:40.42 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 09:41.17 | qt | Cheers so how would you do that line in a pattern? |
| 09:42.24 | PingFloyd | the only thing I could think of what ./{tmp,tar,log} but I'm not sure it will work or not |
| 09:42.32 | PingFloyd | s/what/was/ |
| 09:45.30 | tralala | tar has an --exclude-form-file sort of option where you can have more that one exclusion. I think you can also use --exclude=A --exclude=B etc |
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| 09:46.52 | theklone | yeh --exclude=A --exclude=B etc works |
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| 09:48.08 | qt | PingFloyd: that didn't seem to work sorry but the --exclude-from /path/to/file did and that worked too tralala... Awsome thanks I can back up now and sleep well ;) |
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| 09:49.28 | tralala | qt, I have a simple bash script that uses config files and does incremental backup using tar. You can have it if you care |
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| 09:50.46 | qt | tralala: That would be great. I haven't learnt how to do if thens yet so if my bind dosen't unmount I rm / :0 which is not good |
| 09:51.31 | bloo_sky | what does the 's' in this permission setting mean? drwxr-s--- |
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| 09:52.07 | qt | I've been wondering that my self bloo_sky .. sticky? |
| 09:52.21 | tralala | bloo_sky, man chmod |
| 09:53.47 | bloo_sky | tralala, ah! didn't get as far as Sticky Directories. TY. |
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| 09:55.27 | linux_user400354 | does john crack faster if it is launched with nice -n -20 john passfile? |
| 09:57.07 | dr_jnut | linux_user400354, I don't think so |
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| 09:57.09 | tralala | qt, http://rafb.net/p/rKTnNm97.html. Note that there are *4* files in there. Usage: backup.sh --level=X, where 0 is full backup, X>0 is incremental backup from the last X-1 level backup |
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| 09:59.58 | linux_user400354 | dr_jnut: i did that and john-mmx is using 49 % of the dual cores |
| 10:00.36 | tralala | linux_user400354, you're offtopic |
| 10:00.37 | dr_jnut | linux_user400354, john is not threaded, you'll only use one core |
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| 10:01.19 | linux_user400354 | dr_jnut: you're right. i need to run john twice so ill have two threads cracking at the same time |
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| 10:03.26 | dr_jnut | linux_user400354, not "two threads", but two processes. |
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| 10:04.09 | dr_jnut | The two processes will not work in cooperation, they may try the same password sets. |
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| 10:05.05 | deb_noob | my computer keeps shutting down at youtube.com |
| 10:05.33 | Supaplex | anything in /var/log/syslog? |
| 10:05.46 | dr_jnut | deb_noob, flashplayer? |
| 10:05.51 | deb_noob | yes i have flashplayer |
| 10:05.54 | deb_noob | let me check the log |
| 10:06.05 | dr_jnut | uninstall flashplayer |
| 10:06.13 | deb_noob | why? |
| 10:06.20 | dr_jnut | flash suX! |
| 10:06.29 | dr_jnut | deb_noob, do you have a 64bit arch? |
| 10:06.30 | deb_noob | is it causing the shutdown? |
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| 10:06.44 | deb_noob | dr_jnut: yes my processor is |
| 10:06.48 | deb_noob | but i run 32bit |
| 10:07.11 | dr_jnut | try to uninstall flashplayer and get back to youtube.com |
| 10:07.11 | Supaplex | correction, non FOSS is tEh suck. |
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| 10:07.25 | deb_noob | but i want to use flash |
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| 10:07.47 | Supaplex | whine@adobe :-/ |
| 10:07.57 | dr_jnut | Supaplex, ,-) |
| 10:08.04 | deb_noob | dr_jnut: is flash causing the shutdowns? |
| 10:08.36 | dr_jnut | I'll bet $50 on this one |
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| 10:08.47 | dr_jnut | s/I'll/I'd/ |
| 10:08.48 | deb_noob | that it is causing it? |
| 10:08.54 | dr_jnut | yep |
| 10:09.01 | deb_noob | why does it do that? |
| 10:09.03 | Supaplex | I'll just take the $50 thanks. :p |
| 10:09.19 | deb_noob | seriously, why does it do that? |
| 10:09.36 | dr_jnut | dunno |
| 10:09.44 | deb_noob | is this a known issue? |
| 10:09.45 | dr_jnut | deb_noob, which graphic card do you have? |
| 10:09.45 | Supaplex | you'd have to debug the process/plugin/kernel |
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| 10:09.52 | deb_noob | nvidia 7600gs |
| 10:09.55 | Supaplex | dr_jnut: man gdb :-) |
| 10:10.05 | deb_noob | so it's finding a bug and turning off? |
| 10:10.12 | dr_jnut | Supaplex, ?!? |
| 10:10.32 | Supaplex | at the very least, inform the author |
| 10:11.01 | frenchninja | Supaplex is the shit |
| 10:11.40 | deb_noob | dr_jnut: ? |
| 10:11.42 | utrrrongeeb | When I run xbindkeys-config, if I press Get Keys it prompty crashes with a segfault. |
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| 10:11.48 | dr_jnut | deb_noob, which driver do you use for your graphic card? |
| 10:11.48 | deebu | is it true that using stuff like flash, java, adobe etc. in debian is illegal/causes patent issues but using it on opensuse 10.2 is perfectly alright?? |
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| 10:11.51 | jozan | I've had reboots from flash too, even in windows |
| 10:11.55 | hjubal | hello * |
| 10:12.02 | deb_noob | i'll check |
| 10:12.25 | cahoot | *even* in windows - wow |
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| 10:12.32 | jozan | not the BSOD kind either, the "hello bios!" kind |
| 10:12.39 | deebu | is it PERFECTLY alright if i use nonfree stuff like java, flash n adobe on debian??? |
| 10:12.45 | deb_noob | nvidia-glx with nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 10:12.48 | dr_jnut | it could be a combo of Flash+Nvidia binary shit |
| 10:13.29 | deb_noob | so can i try anything? |
| 10:13.33 | hjubal | I'm trying to install etch netinst i386 on a new laptop, but installer stops while scanning mirror... how can I try with a different mirror? |
| 10:14.05 | frenchninja | hjubal, don't you get to select a mirror before that stage in the installation? |
| 10:14.06 | dr_jnut | deb_noob, try without flash or/and without nvidia driver (try to use "nv" instead in the xorg.conf |
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| 10:14.53 | deebu | !java |
| 10:14.53 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 10:15.06 | xlinuks | hi |
| 10:15.12 | deebu | !install java |
| 10:15.13 | dpkg | i guess install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 10:15.14 | hjubal | frenchninja: yes, I selected this mirror in a previous window, but it's waiting from 10 minutes |
| 10:15.27 | frenchninja | perhaps restart the installation and choose a different mirror |
| 10:15.34 | DavidProck1981 | would any one know why when I use k2b to burn a cd the fico (think that is how it was spelled) and the device buffer are at 100% and burns perfictly, but when ...... |
| 10:15.35 | DavidProck1981 | I burn a DVD the device buffer is 0% and the burn speed changes every second, very random numbers, any where from 0.40X to 1.90X and when it go to check it, it can't and the dvd is also no good |
| 10:15.39 | frenchninja | it hasn't gone that far through the installation by the sounds of it |
| 10:15.41 | deb_noob | where do i set video driver in kcontrol? |
| 10:15.53 | DavidProck1981 | k3b* |
| 10:16.04 | Thms | cahoot ? |
| 10:16.05 | hjubal | frenchninja: ok, I'll shut down and restart from 0 |
| 10:16.13 | frenchninja | deb_noob, you set video driver in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i would think |
| 10:16.56 | xlinuks | wow..one of the most busy channels |
| 10:17.06 | deb_noob | dr_jnut: you say nv driver not nvidia? |
| 10:17.21 | frenchninja | nvidia driver has no 3d acceleration support |
| 10:17.29 | frenchninja | proprietary version |
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| 10:18.22 | DavidProck1981 | has any one ever had the same problem with burning dvd's? |
| 10:18.39 | deb_noob | done |
| 10:18.58 | xlinuks | try ulimt -l unlimited from root (before starting the application from console as well) |
| 10:18.59 | deb_noob | i doubt this fixes it |
| 10:19.07 | deb_noob | why would flash cause a shutdown? |
| 10:19.08 | ZVERuga | hi, what channel for russian debian users on this irc server? |
| 10:19.22 | tralala | !ru |
| 10:19.22 | dpkg | ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:19.23 | xlinuks | ne znaiu |
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| 10:19.36 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: because it's proprietary crap |
| 10:19.37 | ZVERuga | tralala: tnx |
| 10:19.44 | deb_noob | PingFloyd: meaning what/ |
| 10:19.46 | xlinuks | nejashto |
| 10:19.49 | deb_noob | what does that mean? |
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| 10:20.10 | DavidProck1981 | any one at all? |
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| 10:20.42 | deb_noob | PingFloyd: what does that mean? |
| 10:20.54 | deb_noob | proprietary |
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| 10:21.06 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: nothing useful in dmesg/syslog? |
| 10:21.07 | Blackhold | hello |
| 10:21.10 | deb_noob | it directly accesses the memory? |
| 10:21.16 | Blackhold | I've got a strange message at dmesg |
| 10:21.21 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 10:21.52 | tralala | deb_noob, it means closed source |
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| 10:22.21 | PingFloyd | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proprietary |
| 10:22.39 | Blackhold | http://pastebin.com/861141 |
| 10:22.51 | tralala | deb_noob, which means the community can't/won't support it so you're at he mercy of the vendor |
| 10:22.52 | Blackhold | I've got a vmware |
| 10:23.06 | Blackhold | and my computer goes so slow since few days |
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| 10:23.19 | PingFloyd | yeah, also means they own you :) |
| 10:23.41 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 10:24.01 | PingFloyd | in their eyes, anyway |
| 10:24.10 | deb_noob | so my mercy is to allow it to shutdown my computer |
| 10:24.11 | cahoot | Blackhold: looks like your hda isn't healthy |
| 10:24.27 | deb_noob | bowwwlsheet |
| 10:24.29 | cahoot | Blackhold: or cotroller/cable |
| 10:24.35 | DavidProck1981 | cahoot did you read my problem about the cd VS. dvd? |
| 10:24.42 | PingFloyd | that's the world of proprietary |
| 10:24.52 | Blackhold | cahoot: or disk? |
| 10:25.02 | PingFloyd | waiting for them to be accountable for their software -- isn't ever going to happen |
| 10:25.04 | cahoot | Blackhold: yes as I said |
| 10:25.26 | Blackhold | ok |
| 10:25.36 | Blackhold | how I can check it? |
| 10:25.44 | cahoot | Blackhold: smartmontools might give more info |
| 10:25.59 | deb_noob | do you people even know thats the problem or will this turn out be the same as there's something on the motherboard |
| 10:26.18 | cahoot | Blackhold: make sure to backup any valuable data |
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| 10:26.39 | deb_noob | the answer is simply it's proprietary software it shuts down your computer |
| 10:26.53 | tralala | deb_noob, it could be a hardware fault as well. If your computer reboots under circumstances not involving the flash player |
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| 10:27.08 | deb_noob | tralala: then how do i diagnose that? |
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| 10:27.22 | Wolfcastle | is there a newer kernel version in proposed updates? |
| 10:27.29 | cahoot | deb_noob: the point is - since it's closed source, noone but the owner can figure out the cause |
| 10:27.33 | Wolfcastle | the official of sarge is 2.6.8 right |
| 10:27.40 | PingFloyd | at least not for certain |
| 10:27.54 | PingFloyd | to anyone but owner it's all conjecture as to the cause |
| 10:28.01 | cahoot | PingFloyd: admittedly simplified |
| 10:28.06 | PingFloyd | one of the downsides to proprietary |
| 10:28.07 | deb_noob | tralala: it's happened before when i wasn't on youtube or doing anything flash related, how do i diagnose it |
| 10:28.09 | tralala | deb_noob, diagnosing hardware is a tough job. Try putting the machine under different kinds of high load - memory, cpu, disk |
| 10:28.26 | deb_noob | youtube isn't high memory? |
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| 10:28.52 | karmatronic | deb_noob: not particularly |
| 10:28.55 | PingFloyd | cahoot: yeah, but the bottom line is that such questions there could be a whole book that an answer |
| 10:28.57 | deb_noob | might it have been a combination of the hardware with the nvidia driver not accessing the ram |
| 10:29.16 | karmatronic | nvidia driver sucks |
| 10:29.19 | tralala | deb_noob, alternatively you could install another distro and see if you have the same problems |
| 10:29.22 | cydork | Wolfcastle: if you want to install a higher version of kernel on sarge /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 Or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 10:29.24 | deb_noob | not using the 3d acceleration |
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| 10:29.34 | deb_noob | this is the distro i want |
| 10:29.50 | karmatronic | deb_noob: and you re right! |
| 10:29.52 | cahoot | deb_noob: what distro do you use? |
| 10:29.55 | tralala | deb_noob, are you using the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 10:29.58 | Wolfcastle | cydork: thank you |
| 10:30.05 | deb_noob | etch 32 |
| 10:30.10 | deb_noob | i'm using the nv driver now |
| 10:30.19 | deb_noob | i just set it |
| 10:30.23 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: you tried the site with flash disabled? |
| 10:30.39 | deb_noob | no, because then i can't watch the videos |
| 10:30.39 | PingFloyd | and see if there was any difference |
| 10:30.41 | deb_noob | it's a video site |
| 10:30.45 | tralala | deb_noob, so does it reboot now? |
| 10:30.53 | deb_noob | it hasn't yet |
| 10:31.01 | PingFloyd | the point of disabling isn't that, it's to troubleshoot |
| 10:31.13 | PingFloyd | to see if there is a difference |
| 10:31.22 | deb_noob | it's shut down before while not on the site |
| 10:31.29 | deb_noob | it went for 2 months not doing so |
| 10:31.48 | PingFloyd | will the site get it to shut down every time? |
| 10:31.54 | deb_noob | no |
| 10:32.07 | deb_noob | 1 in 5 |
| 10:32.21 | deb_noob | that shows its video card related? |
| 10:32.23 | PingFloyd | trying testing the site with flash disabled and see if it will do it again |
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| 10:32.41 | Wolfcastle | cydork: is the backported installer with the 2.6.16 kernel safe to use? |
| 10:32.48 | tralala | deb_noob, if you're using the binary video drivers the chances are that they are the cause of the reboots. It could be either a bug in the driver or something that you've done wrong while installing it |
| 10:32.56 | deb_noob | is the video driver NV being used right now? do i need to reboot? |
| 10:33.17 | deb_noob | i just set the nv driver, do i need to reboot or log out? |
| 10:33.22 | deb_noob | is it in use now? |
| 10:33.31 | tralala | you need to restart X |
| 10:33.31 | cydork | Wolfcastle: it's safe. though it's not official so it cant say it's secure :) |
| 10:33.39 | deb_noob | how do i restart x? |
| 10:33.42 | SerajewelKS | fuck yeah, my first live kernel panic |
| 10:33.47 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx |
| 10:33.54 | tralala | deb_noob, are you using a display manager (graphical login)? |
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| 10:34.01 | deb_noob | i use auto login |
| 10:34.10 | deb_noob | for kdm |
| 10:34.16 | deb_noob | on kwin |
| 10:34.20 | PingFloyd | hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 10:34.28 | tralala | deb_noob, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 10:34.30 | PingFloyd | that'll restart xserver |
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| 10:37.19 | deb_noob | okay back |
| 10:38.03 | SzArAk | hi all |
| 10:38.07 | deb_noob | now to test it |
| 10:38.23 | fireba11 | hm .. can someone give me hints here ? i'm reinstalling a remote server (so debootstrapping it) and want to have LUKS too with my raid1 .. hwo to do that ? :-) |
| 10:39.10 | SzArAk | i need some help with munin. i can't find how to configure ping plugin. i've enabled it and i have graphs of it, but how to configure what hosts to ping? |
| 10:39.47 | fireba11 | SzArAk : you need to enable the plugins in every client you want them |
| 10:39.58 | SzArAk | i want it in only one |
| 10:40.05 | SzArAk | and it's on, as i want |
| 10:40.19 | SzArAk | but how to select hosts to ping? |
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| 10:43.41 | ma3x | how do I install the bandwidth mod for apache? |
| 10:44.02 | ma3x | libapache2-mod-cband ? |
| 10:44.25 | solid_liq | anyone know how, in a bash script, to get the path of the directory in which the script which was executed is located |
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| 10:44.41 | solid_liq | iotw, in my script, if I want to know where it's located, I'd say IAMINDIR="$ what? |
| 10:44.58 | hark | $pwd |
| 10:45.37 | DimmuR | solid_liq: IAMINDIR=`pwd` |
| 10:45.41 | tralala | solid_liq, the location of the script and the current execution dir of the script could be different |
| 10:45.55 | hark | $(pwd) rather |
| 10:45.59 | solid_liq | I know, which is why pwd doesn't work |
| 10:45.59 | PingFloyd | dirname |
| 10:46.17 | hark | ah |
| 10:46.19 | PingFloyd | solid_liq: use dirname |
| 10:46.28 | PingFloyd | the opposite to that is basename |
| 10:46.41 | deb_noob | does the nvidia kernel always have to be installed even if the NV driver is used? |
| 10:46.41 | tralala | so you want either "pwd" or "dirname $0" |
| 10:47.06 | solid_liq | dirname won't do it either |
| 10:47.06 | tralala | deb_noob, no |
| 10:47.25 | deb_noob | does it have to be installed with the nvidia driver |
| 10:47.36 | tralala | of course |
| 10:48.04 | deb_noob | the only other power off that occured was when i was goind absolutely nothing on the desktop |
| 10:48.08 | PingFloyd | I miss read you question |
| 10:48.26 | deb_noob | i was coming back from a power off and it booted to desktop and powered off again within a minute |
| 10:48.32 | deb_noob | hadn't done anything |
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| 10:48.49 | deb_noob | could that still have been a shutdown due to the nvidia driver? |
| 10:48.53 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: your problem could be anything |
| 10:49.00 | PingFloyd | may even be hardware related |
| 10:49.24 | solid_liq | wow, that sucks |
| 10:49.27 | deb_noob | why isn't anything in logs? |
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| 10:49.33 | solid_liq | I got an answer to my question in #bash: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq28 |
| 10:49.37 | tralala | deb_noob, as PingFloyd said it could be anything and it's going to be really difficult to investigate |
| 10:49.40 | deb_noob | i mean nothing is in logs saying shutdown |
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| 10:50.02 | deb_noob | shouldn't the log say something? |
| 10:50.10 | vyrus | how do i restart inetd without rebooting my system ? |
| 10:50.13 | deb_noob | as to why it just powered off |
| 10:50.21 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: is it happenning when it's trying to go into a power save mode? |
| 10:50.30 | tralala | vyrus, telinit q |
| 10:50.39 | solid_liq | I guess for that one stupid reason I'll have to write my tiny script in Python insted |
| 10:50.48 | deb_noob | the only power save mode i have setup is for the monitor so no |
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| 10:50.49 | utrrrongeeb | When I run xbindkeys-config, if I press Get Keys it prompty crashes with a segfault. |
| 10:51.04 | deb_noob | PingFloyd: if it was, whats the solution |
| 10:51.20 | vyrus | tralala thanx :D |
| 10:51.32 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: first you've got to narrow down what the cause is, before there is a solution |
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| 10:52.44 | deb_noob | but thats the problem, it's just a power off |
| 10:52.48 | deb_noob | can i check any other logs? |
| 10:52.58 | tralala | solid_liq, this won't really make any difference |
| 10:53.37 | solid_liq | tralala: in my tests, I keep getting relative pathnames, and I want absolute |
| 10:53.38 | tralala | deb_noob, the question is what's the cause |
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| 10:54.42 | deb_noob | that question could go on forever |
| 10:54.48 | PingFloyd | it could be anything from a bad PSU to a flakey driver or installation of |
| 10:54.51 | deb_noob | without anything in logs |
| 10:55.16 | deb_noob | it went for two months without problems |
| 10:55.23 | deb_noob | two months without shutdowns |
| 10:55.37 | PingFloyd | could also be bad ram |
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| 10:56.00 | deb_noob | if it were hardware i would get a prompt at reboot? |
| 10:56.24 | PingFloyd | what do you get at reboot? |
| 10:56.34 | deb_noob | a normal boot up |
| 10:56.47 | deb_noob | or so i believe |
| 10:56.55 | deb_noob | where else can i check for logs |
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| 10:57.02 | deb_noob | the end of syslog says things about network |
| 10:57.16 | deb_noob | says things about eth0 |
| 10:57.17 | tralala | deb_noob, let me repeat myself: put the computer under high loads. Try to find a reproducible condition that causes the shutdown |
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| 10:57.28 | broadcaster | how can i make a device-node stay? udev seems to remove it again and again. i tryed fiddeling in /dev/.udev/db, but it didn't work somehow. |
| 10:57.31 | deb_noob | tralala: i am trying that now |
| 10:57.40 | deb_noob | nothing from youtube.com has caused a shutdown yet |
| 10:57.49 | Ronin | maybe it wasnt youtube |
| 10:57.55 | PingFloyd | if there is no common thread to when it happens, I would suspect bad ram or PSU |
| 10:58.12 | deb_noob | youtube's videos overloading ram since i was using the nvidia driver? |
| 10:58.13 | PingFloyd | compiling something can be a good way to help see if ram is the issue |
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| 10:59.06 | ace_me | debian ! |
| 10:59.14 | ace_me | apt-get lynx should work ? |
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| 10:59.18 | PingFloyd | I guess there's memtest also, but I've never had much faith in memory testing tools |
| 10:59.19 | deb_noob | youtubes videos are small i don't see how they would overload ram if i was watching downloaded movies with no problems |
| 10:59.20 | Ronin | ace_me: apt-get install |
| 10:59.29 | deb_noob | i've ran memtest perfectly |
| 10:59.35 | ace_me | ty |
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| 10:59.51 | PingFloyd | overloading ram isn't what I'm getting at |
| 10:59.57 | PingFloyd | I mean flakey memory |
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| 11:00.05 | Quibus | !seen abrotman |
| 11:00.06 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 31m 4s ago, saying: 'spark plug ?'. |
| 11:00.07 | PingFloyd | unreliable memory modules |
| 11:00.11 | Thms | !seen cahoot |
| 11:00.11 | dpkg | cahoot is currently on #debian (1h 38m). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 30m 19s, last said: 'deb_noob: what distro do you use?'. |
| 11:00.20 | Quibus | cu later |
| 11:00.26 | deb_noob | wouldn't unreliable memory be written to syslog though? |
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| 11:00.40 | PingFloyd | no |
| 11:00.44 | PingFloyd | things would crash |
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| 11:01.09 | PingFloyd | the system would all around act flakey in possible random ways and times |
| 11:01.27 | deb_noob | it feels really stable though |
| 11:01.41 | deb_noob | i've done multiple things at a time that would result in high cpu loads |
| 11:01.43 | PingFloyd | you might try compiling something big |
| 11:01.45 | deb_noob | tv, games, movies |
| 11:01.51 | PingFloyd | that tends to be a good way to stress memory |
| 11:02.02 | deb_noob | wouldn't memtest have done that? |
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| 11:02.34 | PingFloyd | of course, if you have a flakey PSU, all your hardware is going to be flakey |
| 11:02.41 | hark | try running KDE ;p |
| 11:02.47 | deb_noob | lol i am |
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| 11:03.26 | deb_noob | i'm going to assume it was the video card driver because the problem isn't happening |
| 11:04.23 | tralala | kde? no, no,no - you want a proper 3d environment |
| 11:04.36 | PingFloyd | I don't |
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| 11:04.50 | PingFloyd | less eye candy the better in my book |
| 11:05.01 | tralala | book? |
| 11:05.49 | hark | book. |
| 11:06.06 | PingFloyd | man book |
| 11:07.46 | deb_noob | is the 686 kernel the best possible kernel to run for an amd64 x2 983 |
| 11:07.55 | deb_noob | dual core |
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| 11:08.26 | ace_me | \I have this page http://www.netronel.com/netronel.com/index.php?prid=18&t=1&varid=1#1 but when I open it with lynx say BAD PAGE ... validation is ok ....http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.netronel.com%2Fnetronel.com%2Findex.php%3Fprid%3D18%26t%3D1%26varid%3D1 |
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| 11:10.05 | tralala | deb_noob, no you could run a -k8 kernel |
| 11:10.21 | deb_noob | would that be better? |
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| 11:10.57 | tralala | potentially yes, practically I don't believe you're going to notice any difference |
| 11:11.19 | deb_noob | i might not notice shutdowns? |
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| 11:11.36 | cornernote | is there a way i can setup some deamon that keeps the time upto date ? |
| 11:11.52 | deb_noob | i only see the amd k7 kernels |
| 11:11.56 | tralala | all the chances are that your shutdowns are *not* caused by the kernel |
| 11:12.29 | deb_noob | updating from the 485 to the 686 cured it for 2 months |
| 11:12.37 | tralala | cornernote, check the ntpdate package |
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| 11:13.29 | tralala | deb_noob, and then the 686 got worn out? |
| 11:13.31 | _joey | how gooder is C2D E6300 than AMD 64 dual core 3800+ ? |
| 11:13.46 | cornernote | tralala: woot - that was easy |
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| 11:13.58 | cornernote | apt-get it and it does the rest :) |
| 11:14.04 | cornernote | thanks |
| 11:14.11 | tralala | cornernote, you're welcome |
| 11:14.18 | deb_noob | tralala: what's that supposed to mean |
| 11:14.23 | deb_noob | i'm just trying things here |
| 11:15.15 | NetGangsta | its normal 1 eggdrop run on my debian and he take 6mo of ram? |
| 11:15.19 | deb_noob | so a video driver could cause shutdowns but not a kernel |
| 11:15.20 | _joey | anyone would like to comment or not? |
| 11:15.45 | tralala | deb_noob, the things you're trying are like trying to change the tires of a car which engine wouldn't start |
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| 11:15.55 | unseensoul | hi |
| 11:16.02 | jozan | _joey: a lot |
| 11:16.03 | hark | ace_me: no problem with links2 here |
| 11:16.22 | cydork | _joey: ask #hardware? |
| 11:16.39 | unseensoul | i installed sun-java5-jre package, but i still can't view java apps in the browser. suggestions? |
| 11:17.27 | deb_noob | tralala: you're not helping |
| 11:17.43 | hark | unseensoul: ran update-alternatives --config java? |
| 11:17.44 | cydork | unseensoul: did you install the plugin? |
| 11:17.48 | DimmuR | is there any command like iptables-save for route? |
| 11:17.52 | NetGangsta | its normal 1 eggdrop run on my debian and he take 6mo of ram? |
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| 11:18.08 | hark | ah, browser.. |
| 11:18.09 | _joey | cydork I have |
| 11:18.15 | _joey | it's quiet there |
| 11:18.20 | unseensoul | cydork, what do you mean? |
| 11:18.40 | deb_noob | a poweroff is just odd |
| 11:18.48 | deb_noob | with nothing in the log |
| 11:19.10 | Trewas | _joey: why not check benchmarks in tomshardware, anandtech or something? |
| 11:19.39 | _joey | Trewas what should I check for ? |
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| 11:19.42 | cydork | unseensoul: i mean did you install sun-java5-plugin? |
| 11:19.54 | deb_noob | bbl |
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| 11:20.28 | unseensoul | cydork, no |
| 11:20.56 | unseensoul | well i thought it was a dependency |
| 11:21.30 | unseensoul | let me try |
| 11:22.25 | _joey | jozan a lot in what respect? |
| 11:22.45 | unseensoul | hark, by the way, what does `update-alternatives --config java' do? |
| 11:22.48 | jozan | _joey: just look up benchmarks |
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| 11:23.53 | _joey | jozan at which benchmarks? |
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| 11:25.34 | jozan | _joey: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300_10.html |
| 11:25.40 | PingFloyd | unseensoul: it configures your preferences for all your alternatives |
| 11:25.43 | unseensoul | cydork, it's working :D thank you |
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| 11:25.53 | PingFloyd | in that case, for java |
| 11:25.59 | PingFloyd | the java master link |
| 11:26.06 | hark | unseensoul: allows you to choose the system wide java default. man update-alternatives for more. |
| 11:26.09 | RubenGA | Hi, what is the way that a process cannot consum too CPU? wich options in limits.conf? or how? |
| 11:27.10 | ace_me | from time to time I see appearing on my debian console diana:/etc# i8253 count too high! resetting. |
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| 11:27.12 | hark | ace_me: klogd stuff, most probably |
| 11:27.23 | ThinkLinux | Hello |
| 11:27.28 | unseensoul | PingFloyd, hark thank you for the explanation :) |
| 11:27.32 | Hotwire | RubenGA: renice it |
| 11:27.47 | ace_me | hark where to look ? i am inside a MSft VPC |
| 11:28.03 | PingFloyd | np |
| 11:28.17 | hark | unseensoul: galternatives for a GUI way |
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| 11:29.18 | hark | !klogd |
| 11:29.18 | dpkg | i heard klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
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| 11:32.52 | NetGangsta | its normal 1 eggdrop run on my debian and he take 6mo of ram? |
| 11:33.16 | karmatronic | !klogd |
| 11:33.16 | dpkg | klogd is, like, the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
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| 11:43.20 | lvalue | something went wrong with the grub on my system, no i cannot boot my debian, or anything at all. how can i fix this? I'm running now from a knoppix cd i found |
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| 11:44.18 | PingFloyd | lvalue: what was being done to the system before it happenned? |
| 11:44.44 | cydork | !fixmbr |
| 11:44.44 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 11:44.48 | cydork | lvalue: ^^ |
| 11:44.51 | fly_80 | hello i installed the driver wusb54g with ndiswrapper, but i get this error when setting the key: Error for wireless Request "Set Encode" (8B2A): Set failed on eth2; Unknown error 524 |
| 11:45.20 | ThinkLinux | lvalue: Do you get an error during boot? |
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| 11:46.00 | lvalue | kernel upgrade.. then it rebooted - it went fine, then i removed the old options from the grub via grubconf and here i am :) i'm going to try the solution from above |
| 11:46.20 | lvalue | the error is there are no tty's found and it gives me ash.. some kind of a shell |
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| 11:47.02 | lvalue | it starts booting actually.. |
| 11:47.08 | PingFloyd | usually during a kernel upgrade it will update the menu.lst automatically |
| 11:47.39 | lvalue | it did update it, but i wanted to remove some old entries |
| 11:48.09 | NetGangsta | its normal 1 eggdrop run on my debian and he take 6mo of ram? |
| 11:48.52 | ThinkLinux | fly_80: try ndiwsrapper -l to check if your hardware is present or not |
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| 11:49.14 | fly_80 | ThinkLinux: yes, hardware and driver are present |
| 11:49.23 | PingFloyd | sounds like you may have removed the wrong entries and it can't find the right kernel image and/or initrd |
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| 11:49.59 | ThinkLinux | fly_80: do you have load the module ndiswrapper modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 11:50.30 | fly_80 | ThinkLinux: yes |
| 11:50.34 | fly_80 | i do |
| 11:50.42 | lvalue | PingFloyd, i removed the right entries, i may be an idiot but not that much |
| 11:51.29 | PingFloyd | iirc, you usually don't have to do that, if they're kernel image packages, it should update the menu.lst automatically if you purge the kernel-image packages you don't want |
| 11:51.39 | karmatronic | lvalue: what s your problem |
| 11:51.54 | cydork | lvalue: you edited menu.list and it stoped working. Your Fault! :) |
| 11:51.55 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 try iwconfig and give the result |
| 11:52.39 | ThinkLinux | use pastebin.ca |
| 11:52.51 | fly_80 | i cannot paste |
| 11:52.58 | fly_80 | i'm on another pc |
| 11:53.20 | fly_80 | though there is only eth2 with wireless xtension |
| 11:53.32 | lvalue | are you trying to tell me it's my fault that by removing the entry of a kernel compile i did 1 year ago via grubconf i cannot boot my debian or are you trying to help me ? |
| 11:53.53 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 but when did you get this error ? |
| 11:54.04 | PingFloyd | think he's trying to tell you PEBCAK |
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| 11:54.07 | fly_80 | when setting the key |
| 11:54.23 | fly_80 | iwconfig eth2 key xxxxxxxxxx |
| 11:54.40 | fly_80 | essid and mode (managed) can be setted |
| 11:54.41 | karmatronic | lvalue: what s the prolem? |
| 11:54.53 | cydork | lvalue: just run the update-grub and see if it works. |
| 11:55.19 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 : ok try iwconfig eth2 mode Managed and then iwconfig eth2 key restricted XXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 11:55.43 | fly_80 | ok trying |
| 11:56.32 | fly_80 | damn, same error |
| 11:56.57 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 please try iwlist eth2 scan |
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| 11:57.21 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 and if you can give the result :-) |
| 11:57.27 | lvalue | ok, let's see what update-grub gives after rebooting, thanks |
| 11:57.28 | fly_80 | ok, tryin |
| 11:57.34 | lvalue | brb |
| 11:57.56 | fly_80 | sohmestra: the result is: |
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| 11:58.49 | Jhwxyz | hi all |
| 11:58.58 | fly_80 | Cell 01 : Addess : "my ap address" |
| 11:58.59 | Jhwxyz | can someone help me? |
| 11:59.08 | fly_80 | ESSID: "myessid" |
| 11:59.18 | Jhwxyz | I've deleted all the files in the /etc/pam.d directory |
| 11:59.19 | fly_80 | Protocol:IEEE 802.11bg |
| 11:59.24 | fly_80 | Mode: Master |
| 11:59.28 | fly_80 | Channel 10 |
| 11:59.30 | Jhwxyz | how can i restore these files? |
| 11:59.31 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: why? |
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| 11:59.34 | Jhwxyz | can i? |
| 11:59.36 | fly_80 | Encrytion key:on |
| 11:59.42 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: from backup? |
| 11:59.57 | Jhwxyz | PierreTramo, a terrible error |
| 11:59.59 | fly_80 | Bit rates: from 1 MB/s to 54 |
| 12:00.11 | Jhwxyz | PingFloyd, no backup no chance? |
| 12:00.21 | fly_80 | Quality: 100 Signal level: 0 Noise Level 0 |
| 12:00.22 | PingFloyd | afaik |
| 12:00.26 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 Mode: Master? |
| 12:00.33 | fly_80 | Extra: Last Beacon 56ms |
| 12:00.35 | cyberix | How do I remove a broken package that is not fuly installed, but block me from using apt for other purposes? |
| 12:00.41 | fly_80 | ThinkLinux: yes |
| 12:00.46 | fly_80 | it's strange in effect |
| 12:00.58 | fly_80 | maybe it's the same? |
| 12:01.00 | PingFloyd | maybe try reinstalling pam |
| 12:01.04 | ThinkLinux | fly_80 so try iwconfig eth2 mode Master |
| 12:01.45 | fly_80 | invalid argument |
| 12:01.56 | Thms | ThinkLinux: can you PM please ? |
| 12:02.24 | ThinkLinux | Sorry i have to go now.. i will be back |
| 12:02.30 | Thms | okay I hope |
| 12:02.42 | PingFloyd | then it should at least create the default config files, in theory |
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| 12:03.52 | Jhwxyz | PingFloyd, I try |
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| 12:05.34 | lvalue | humm, not the only thing i get from grub when booting is some garbage output.. funny characters |
| 12:05.39 | lvalue | :> |
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| 12:06.12 | karmatronic | lvalue: but do you know where your kernel is ? |
| 12:06.21 | PingFloyd | lvalue: at the grub menu? |
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| 12:07.04 | Jhwxyz | libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g |
| 12:07.13 | Jhwxyz | i've reinstalled these |
| 12:07.25 | Jhwxyz | no file in pam.d |
| 12:07.30 | lvalue | before the grub menu.. now i will try to run the knoppix'es grub --config-file=/me/real/menu.lst then root (hd0,3) setup (hd0) quit and reboot .. some thoughts against this ? |
| 12:07.54 | karmatronic | lvalue: could you explain the problem? |
| 12:08.26 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: in what manner did you reinstall? |
| 12:08.38 | lvalue | karmatronic, i ran grubconf, some gtk grub configurator to remove an old entry of a kernel compile i did in the past, now i cannot boot into debian |
| 12:08.48 | Jhwxyz | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 12:09.24 | lvalue | karmatronic, before doing that i upgraded the kernel, tried the new one, everything went fine, so i decided to remove the very old entries |
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| 12:10.14 | cydork | Jhwxyz: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:10.47 | lvalue | ok, one more reboot.. |
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| 12:11.55 | Jhwxyz | thanks cydork |
| 12:11.58 | Jhwxyz | i try |
| 12:12.30 | karmatronic | lvalue, still there? |
| 12:13.25 | DimmuR | how to set up routing in debian that after interface restart it doesn't dissapear? |
| 12:13.49 | PingFloyd | try renaming the menu.lst, then run update-grub |
| 12:13.55 | PingFloyd | so it will create a new one |
| 12:13.56 | EdwardTLS | fix it in you /etc/network/interfaces put in a gw |
| 12:14.12 | PingFloyd | lvalue |
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| 12:14.33 | holycow | hey guys |
| 12:15.12 | Jhwxyz | this is the result: there's only a file "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 520 Sep 1 2003 other" |
| 12:15.16 | karmatronic | DimmuR: which kind of routing ? |
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| 12:15.53 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: that's the default |
| 12:15.56 | karmatronic | lvalue: so? |
| 12:16.07 | Jhwxyz | ok |
| 12:16.08 | PingFloyd | it's what pam uses when there aren't others that a specific for other programs |
| 12:16.12 | lvalue | the last thing i tried was good |
| 12:16.25 | Jhwxyz | so I've to reinstall all the package that use a pam file?? |
| 12:16.32 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: my guess is that other packages update pam.d with new files in there, not sure though |
| 12:16.43 | PingFloyd | like when you first install them |
| 12:17.02 | Jhwxyz | it's a big problem |
| 12:17.20 | DimmuR | karmatronic: its routing table for few hosts for which i set different than default gw |
| 12:17.28 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: everything will revert to other if it doesn't have one for itself |
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| 12:18.15 | cydork | Jhwxyz: nope just the package which has those files .. |
| 12:19.58 | lvalue | there is however one minor other thing.. if i try to pass to the 2.6.18 kernel the parameter vga=794 it says there are no tty's available, when the same parameter works fine on 2.6.16 :) |
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| 12:20.22 | speyer | hi all |
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| 12:21.00 | lvalue | it has to do with the resolution of the console, vga=794 makes it 1200x1024 |
| 12:21.03 | speyer | wonder whats this really mean, i get this info when i try to burn something with nautilus Some files don't have a suitable name for a Windows-compatible CD.Do you want to continue with Windows compatibility disabled? |
| 12:21.04 | jsbach | hei! how do i see the contents of an installed package on a debian linux ? which file is provided in the package and where it is installed... |
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| 12:21.25 | lvalue | jsbach, dpkg -L packagename |
| 12:21.31 | Jhwxyz | cydork, how can I know whica are those packages? |
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| 12:21.42 | earthian | hello |
| 12:21.44 | Jhwxyz | *which |
| 12:22.02 | jsbach | thanks , it works |
| 12:22.03 | cydork | Jhwxyz: use apt-file or packages.debian.org /msg dpkg search |
| 12:22.05 | earthian | i get this errors when starting writer and it does not start at the end: |
| 12:22.06 | earthian | Jan 17 14:14:37 fostral kernel: soffice.bin[11362] trap divide error rip:2ab937b1c2f2 rsp:7fff7de08f70 error:0 |
| 12:22.13 | earthian | Jan 17 14:14:39 fostral kernel: soffice.bin[11380] trap divide error rip:2b43537d02f2 rsp:7fff621522c0 error:0 |
| 12:22.16 | earthian | etc |
| 12:22.24 | earthian | i have latest of etch |
| 12:22.32 | earthian | and its about openoffice |
| 12:22.48 | earthian | !info openoffice.org |
| 12:22.49 | cydork | earthian: did you check bts? |
| 12:22.59 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 210 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 12:23.00 | earthian | bts? |
| 12:23.41 | earthian | cydork, what is bts and where do i find it? :) |
| 12:23.41 | lvalue | earthian, bug tracking system |
| 12:24.18 | cydork | earthian: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:25.49 | PingFloyd | Jhwxyz: only thing I can think of is looking for packages, that you have installed, to see if they have /etc/pam.d |
| 12:26.40 | DimmuR | PingFloyd: thanks for help |
| 12:26.43 | PingFloyd | either through a script and/or use of mixture of packaging tools |
| 12:26.48 | PingFloyd | like apt-file and dpkg |
| 12:26.50 | PingFloyd | etc |
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| 12:26.58 | speyer | how do i enable Joliet fie extensions ? |
| 12:27.07 | Jhwxyz | PingFloyd, cydork have suggested to use apt-file |
| 12:27.09 | Jhwxyz | yes |
| 12:27.21 | Jhwxyz | a script with apt-file and dpkg |
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| 12:27.30 | Jhwxyz | i have a situation |
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| 12:27.32 | Jhwxyz | eheheheeh |
| 12:27.40 | cydork | Jhwxyz: i think this should do it "apt-file search etc/pam.d" |
| 12:27.43 | PingFloyd | may not have to resort to a script though |
| 12:27.49 | fireba11 | hi .. i debootstrapped my new server .. any way to check if grub is working WITHOUT actually trying ? :-) |
| 12:30.59 | cydork | Jhwxyz: Or apt-file search etc/pam.d|awk -F ":" '{print $1}'|xargs dpkg -l 2>/dev/null|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}' |
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| 12:36.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:36.09 | dpkg | from memory, qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 12:36.34 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 12:36.57 | liable | hah |
| 12:37.04 | eisen | heh |
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| 12:43.41 | RichiH | stupid hamsters |
| 12:43.46 | RichiH | !quotd0 |
| 12:43.56 | RichiH | i fail |
| 12:43.57 | RichiH | !qotd0 |
| 12:43.58 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 12:45.15 | karmatronic | !cow |
| 12:45.15 | dpkg | from memory, cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
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| 12:46.55 | skodde | what's the right way to configure an apache2 VH on Sarge with suexec, fcgid and php4-cgi? i've tried many cofigurations, with fcgiwrapper and all the rest, but i always get an error as if apache try to handle the .php script directly, so it doesn't find the shebang (which i don't want to add for every script), any idea? |
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| 12:47.11 | capiira | hmmmmm :) http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=gnome&word2=kde |
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| 12:49.13 | liable | smacs: #apache might be a better place to ask |
| 12:49.20 | liable | skodde: ^^ |
| 12:50.30 | skodde | liable: i think that on #apache the first suggestion would be to recompile something :P |
| 12:50.44 | liable | heh, probably |
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| 12:50.58 | liable | give em a try anyway |
| 12:51.21 | skodde | i'll try right now ;-) |
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| 13:05.27 | Christoph_vW | please update to a newer kernel version... I just tried the kubuntu feisty installer - this one detects my DVD drives (on JMicron controller) and my NIC - the debian testing did not |
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| 13:05.50 | Christoph_vW | but I still have no clue how to install on a Intel ICH8R RAID-0 |
| 13:06.41 | ctp | hi folks. i have to setup certain debian boxes. i wanna run them on etch after its release. but how to setup them now? sarge and update them to etch or testing and update them? |
| 13:08.44 | raz0 | Christoph_vW, That is NOT going to happen. |
| 13:09.01 | raz0 | and for very good reasons. |
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| 13:11.08 | mrynit | i downloaded java sdk 6 as a bin file. how to i install it? |
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| 13:13.53 | Ronin | !tell mrynit about java |
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| 13:15.03 | speyer | need help people, i have no more icons on my desktop and also right click on desktop doesnt show anything |
| 13:15.22 | mrynit | gnome? |
| 13:15.28 | speyer | yes |
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| 13:15.47 | speyer | i just restart my box and then i got this ;( |
| 13:16.02 | liable | log out and in doesnt fix it? |
| 13:16.29 | speyer | i will restart gnome right now with crtl+alt+backspace will it be save ? |
| 13:17.12 | liable | bah |
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| 13:17.33 | speyer | same problem |
| 13:17.46 | Ronin | speyer: doesnt that restart x not restart gnome? |
| 13:17.47 | speyer | no icons on my desktop and right click doesnt work :( |
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| 13:18.45 | speyer | Ronin should i do /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 13:19.07 | skodde | speyer: open a terminal, run nautilus and see what happen |
| 13:19.12 | geo-rge | speyer: do you have the panel? |
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| 13:19.31 | speyer | geo-rge i have the panel yes |
| 13:19.42 | speyer | geo-rge and places > home folder works |
| 13:19.47 | speyer | nautilus works |
| 13:19.54 | geo-rge | ok, so gnome is running |
| 13:20.18 | geo-rge | did you upgrade recently from another version of gnome (and/or debian)? |
| 13:20.18 | speyer | its just that it doesnt show my icons and right click (only on the desktop) doesnt work no more |
| 13:20.24 | speyer | no |
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| 13:20.32 | speyer | didnt do anything |
| 13:20.39 | speyer | i did upgrade but a few days ago |
| 13:20.53 | speyer | and i did restart the box since then and it was working |
| 13:20.55 | geo-rge | when did this problem start? |
| 13:21.01 | speyer | just now |
| 13:21.06 | speyer | 5 min ago |
| 13:21.14 | geo-rge | what were you doing |
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| 13:22.02 | speyer | nothing i had a few folders open and xchat and 1 moziila browser and i pressed ctrl+alt+backspace then there was no icons and no right click |
| 13:22.17 | speyer | mozilla |
| 13:22.19 | liable | why did you kill x? |
| 13:22.28 | skodde | speyer: open gconf-editor, go to apps --> nautilus and see if it's all right |
| 13:22.32 | geo-rge | so you relogged in |
| 13:22.40 | speyer | liable didnt know i was thinking i will restart gnome that way |
| 13:22.45 | speyer | geo-rge yes |
| 13:23.03 | speyer | skodde it is already done that |
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| 13:23.13 | geo-rge | and you say you also upgraded maybe just under a week ago? |
| 13:23.45 | speyer | skodde home folder icon visible is checked |
| 13:23.45 | speyer | geo-rge yes |
| 13:23.45 | speyer | geo-rge but it was everything fine |
| 13:23.45 | skodde | speyer: and in preferences "show_desktop" ? |
| 13:23.52 | geo-rge | did you restart the machine after the upgrade? |
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| 13:24.09 | speyer | geo-rge yes a few times |
| 13:24.15 | speyer | skodde where is that ? |
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| 13:24.25 | geo-rge | I'm just asking random questions to get a feel for what might have happened |
| 13:24.25 | skodde | speyer: where i told you |
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| 13:25.09 | speyer | skodde show desktop its checked too |
| 13:25.26 | geo-rge | I have an experiment you can try... |
| 13:25.38 | speyer | it should show trash computer home folder network servers |
| 13:25.49 | speyer | i will go for it then |
| 13:26.04 | geo-rge | here's the experiment: |
| 13:26.14 | geo-rge | first, ls -d .gnome* |
| 13:26.19 | geo-rge | how many? |
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| 13:26.58 | skodde | speyer: and nautilus is running in gnome-session ? |
| 13:27.10 | speyer | geo-rge 3 |
| 13:27.28 | speyer | skodde not sure about it .. how do i make sure ? |
| 13:27.37 | speyer | i can browser files from Places > Home Folder |
| 13:27.39 | lokuciej | On my etch system I have two GCCs installed, version 3.3 and 4.1. Default is gcc 4.1. How can I switch to the other gcc version? |
| 13:27.40 | speyer | so its running |
| 13:27.50 | geo-rge | mkdir ~/old-gnome-configs |
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| 13:28.06 | liable | lokuciej: export CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 13:28.22 | speyer | geo-rge done |
| 13:28.27 | geo-rge | mv ~/.gnome* ~/old-gnome-configs |
| 13:28.49 | geo-rge | then ctrl-alt-bksp, log in, see what it does |
| 13:29.05 | liable | lokuciej: thats only relevant for the current logged in session |
| 13:29.06 | geo-rge | do you see what this is going to do? |
| 13:29.07 | skodde | speyer: in preferences --> session under Desktop in Gnome Panel |
| 13:29.28 | speyer | geo-rge its going to use the old gnome configs |
| 13:29.42 | lokuciej | liable: didn't work. When I type "gcc -v" I still get gcc 4.1 |
| 13:30.07 | geo-rge | no, we are backing up the old configs, and moving them away from where they will be normally read... so: |
| 13:30.20 | geo-rge | gnome will think you've never run gnome before |
| 13:30.27 | speyer | skodde whats there ? |
| 13:30.32 | geo-rge | and it will re-make all the configs |
| 13:30.36 | speyer | geo-rge oke |
| 13:30.37 | tralala | lokuciej, CC is used by configure and make, not by gcc itself |
| 13:30.43 | geo-rge | skodde: see where I'm going with this? |
| 13:30.53 | liable | lokuciej: try and compile something, should be 3.4 |
| 13:30.55 | skodde | speyer: (have you run nautilus from a terminal as i asked you?) |
| 13:31.27 | speyer | hehe if i run nautilus from a terminal works |
| 13:31.38 | speyer | soon i close that terminal all the icons are gone again |
| 13:31.38 | speyer | :) |
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| 13:31.51 | skodde | geo-rge: yes, and linux is not windows |
| 13:31.55 | geo-rge | speyer: so then it's that nautilus isn't running |
| 13:31.58 | Ronin | its not? ;) |
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| 13:32.32 | speyer | geo-rge what should i do ? |
| 13:32.41 | speyer | geo-rge how do i make it to stat at boot ? |
| 13:32.53 | tralala | it is - without the support for the latest hardware and spyware |
| 13:33.24 | geo-rge | speyer: you mean nautilus? |
| 13:33.34 | speyer | geo-rge yes |
| 13:34.20 | geo-rge | presently I'm not sure why it doesn't. in order to solve this, we have to know why |
| 13:34.21 | skodde | speyer: open the session manager, see if it's in the restart style, if not set it and apply |
| 13:34.30 | lokuciej | liable: thank you. I'll try it |
| 13:35.04 | geo-rge | skodde: that won't work well in his present state... (can you see why?) |
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| 13:35.38 | geo-rge | speyer: at this point you can run this prepared experiment by doing: |
| 13:35.54 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.57 | speyer | skodde there is no such thing like nautilus in session manager |
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| 13:36.04 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.13 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.16 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.20 | skodde | speyer: then add it.. |
| 13:36.21 | geo-rge | log in |
| 13:36.31 | fasta | How do I enable Flash 9 sound on a recent home brew kernel with OSS sound? |
| 13:36.42 | speyer | geo-rge ok |
| 13:36.54 | cahoot | isn't it made for alsa? |
| 13:37.06 | geo-rge | speyer: you'll then get all new config settings, that will be defaulted |
| 13:37.11 | concept10 | nautilus usually has more parameters in the sessions entry |
| 13:37.16 | fasta | cahoot: I don't know, could be. |
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| 13:37.29 | speyer | geo-rge same :( |
| 13:37.30 | fasta | cahoot: is there a way to work around it? |
| 13:37.35 | cahoot | fasta: how come you choose OSS? |
| 13:37.56 | fasta | cahoot: it's the only thing I have a driver for that support my hardware completely. |
| 13:37.58 | concept10 | speyer, did you add it to your sessions? |
| 13:38.04 | fasta | cahoot: In fact it isn't supported anymore. |
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| 13:38.15 | speyer | concept10 how can i add it ? |
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| 13:38.23 | cahoot | fasta: ok - your real question is beyond me |
| 13:38.24 | fasta | cahoot: I am probably the only person on the planet using the driver on an unsupported kernel. |
| 13:38.32 | speyer | concept10 im in sessions manager now |
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| 13:38.44 | geo-rge | speyer: does the desktop also appear the same as it did before, or is it different? |
| 13:38.52 | concept10 | speyer, you dont see where to add it? |
| 13:38.52 | speyer | geo-rge same |
| 13:39.01 | fasta | cahoot: The source code was broken, you see. I took it as a challenge to fix it. The source code was quite a mess I can say you that. |
| 13:39.20 | Vme | with a default install of SARGE is there any power management options enabled?? |
| 13:39.28 | tralala | fasta, I can see how running the lastest software on the oldest hardware could turn out to be a problem |
| 13:39.29 | speyer | concept10 i open the tab current sessions and there is no add |
| 13:39.37 | concept10 | geo-rge, what do you have in your sessions for nautilus? |
| 13:39.49 | Vme | so my system will use as little power as necessary, since its just a fileserver |
| 13:39.56 | skodde | speyer: again.. see in gconf if the proprieties are correct, then run nautilus _from a terminal_, see if the desktop is working, then close the window, open the session manager, set nautilus in the restart style, apply, close everything you don't need, save the session, logout, login. |
| 13:39.56 | geo-rge | I don't run gnome at the moment |
| 13:39.58 | fasta | tralala: the sound is working for all applications except for Flash 9. |
| 13:40.03 | speyer | geo-rge well i cannot see if is a diff desktop because i didnt chage th background image or something i just add the icons on my desktop |
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| 13:40.35 | geo-rge | speyer: when you upgraded, what exactly did you upgrade? |
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| 13:40.54 | speyer | geo-rge there was a command from dpkg |
| 13:41.02 | speyer | skodde ok i will do it now |
| 13:41.07 | concept10 | There is probably a more official manner to start nautilus on start |
| 13:41.16 | geo-rge | ok, what did you want to upgrade? |
| 13:41.23 | liable | Vme: if it isnt a laptop, theres not much you can do |
| 13:41.30 | skodde | concept10: that's the manner |
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| 13:41.48 | liable | Vme: though pentiums do frequency scaling |
| 13:41.59 | concept10 | I see that the sessions manager doesnt start my nautilus |
| 13:42.43 | fasta | tralala: it really comes down to that hardware companies don't want to keep updating their drivers. They just want you to go and buy a new one, even though the one you have is perfectly fine from a hardware pov. |
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| 13:42.58 | speyer | skodde now im in Desktop > Preferences > Session > where from here caz i dont see how to add it |
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| 13:43.23 | fasta | speyer: Third tab |
| 13:43.38 | fasta | speyer: (if I understood your question correctly) |
| 13:43.50 | yunhual | hi, can i use ftp utility to upload lots of file at same times |
| 13:43.55 | skodde | fasta: no, it's not a startup program, it should be in the running session |
| 13:44.03 | tralala | Vme, rip off all the unneeded hardware, e.g. video card, cd/dvd, floppy and optionally add hdd spin down (man hdparm) |
| 13:44.04 | speyer | fasta thats for start up programs |
| 13:44.09 | skodde | speyer: run it from a terminal and you'll see it in thr current session |
| 13:44.32 | fasta | speyer: ok, I thought that was your question. |
| 13:44.42 | fasta | speyer: I didn't read back. |
| 13:44.56 | liable | tralala: i dunno, but they reckon desktop harddrives dont like too many spindowns |
| 13:45.02 | tralala | fasta, are you using a propriarity driver? |
| 13:45.25 | fasta | tralala: nforce2 driver as released by nvidia |
| 13:45.27 | speyer | skodde there is till no nautilus there :((( |
| 13:45.39 | fasta | tralala: I think a binary blob with a kernel interface. |
| 13:45.42 | skodde | speyer: then you should see and error in the terminal |
| 13:46.01 | speyer | skodde i have gnome-Session-properties |
| 13:46.11 | speyer | skodde twice |
| 13:46.12 | tralala | fasta, and there's no gpl driver? For the sound card? |
| 13:46.28 | fasta | tralala: there is, but it doesn't provide hardware mixing |
| 13:46.47 | fasta | tralala: and doing stuff in hardware is going to be faster than in software too |
| 13:46.54 | concept10 | I wish they would get rid of nautilus, its huge and slow |
| 13:47.04 | skodde | speyer: ehm, have you run nautilus or gnome-session-proprieties from the terminal? |
| 13:47.09 | tralala | fasta, only if it works |
| 13:47.24 | speyer | skodde natulilus yes like you said so |
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| 13:47.43 | skodde | speyer: mmh.. |
| 13:48.02 | speyer | skodde running nautiluss from terminal gnome-session-proprieties will appear ? or will there be nautilus in sessions manager |
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| 13:48.10 | tralala | liable, anyway for a fileserver the spindown is very optional |
| 13:48.11 | skodde | speyer: and that's all you see? and no desktop running and no nautilus in the session tab of thesession manager? |
| 13:48.37 | skodde | speyer: the second one |
| 13:49.11 | speyer | skodde i have 1 gnome-session-proprieties 2 metacity 3 gnome-panel 4 gnome-volume-manager 4 gnome-session-proprieties |
| 13:49.21 | tralala | fasta, have you used alsa's dmix? |
| 13:49.47 | fasta | tralala: not used, but I was told that it should Just Work(also with multiple streams). |
| 13:49.53 | fasta | tralala: does it? |
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| 13:50.08 | fasta | tralala: or should I enable dmix by hand in some way |
| 13:50.11 | fasta | ? |
| 13:50.18 | cahoot | fasta: for alsa > 1.0.9 |
| 13:50.19 | skodde | speyer: there's something really wrong |
| 13:50.26 | tralala | fasta, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 13:50.31 | speyer | skodde dont tell me that please |
| 13:50.36 | cahoot | fasta: for alsa > 1.0.9 it's enabled by default |
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| 13:51.12 | fasta | cahoot, tralala: hmm, ok, I will note it for my next kernel compilation. Thanks |
| 13:51.19 | Hoxzer | ... I just cannot stand stable I think I might change to testing |
| 13:51.26 | Hoxzer | compiling and using backports all the time |
| 13:51.29 | cahoot | fasta: might be you need to explicitly tell the apps to use plug:dmix |
| 13:51.31 | skodde | speyer: then try as geo-rge said |
| 13:51.36 | Ronin | compiling? Hoxzer what are you doing? |
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| 13:51.45 | concept10 | speeves, did you open the session manager _after_ you started nautilus? |
| 13:52.01 | skodde | speyer: move .gconf* and .gnome* elsewhere and relogin choosing the Gnome session from gdm |
| 13:52.04 | Hoxzer | Ronin: Installing newest bluez-utils as I have problems with stable releaze |
| 13:52.13 | geo-rge | skodde: unless he's the fastest typer in the west, I don't think he did it the way I said... |
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| 13:53.04 | skodde | geo-rge: well, if he did so, it should be working right now, so i think the same |
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| 13:53.46 | skodde | geo-rge: my only objection is that is not an elegant way at all |
| 13:54.14 | speyer | skodde mv: cannot move `/root/.gnome2' to a subdirectory of itself, `/root/old-gnome-configs/.gnome2' |
| 13:54.32 | cahoot | there you go |
| 13:54.32 | PingFloyd | speyer: do it as user |
| 13:54.49 | skodde | speyer: do you login as root? i meant to do it in your user home |
| 13:55.04 | PingFloyd | skodde: he's logged in as root |
| 13:55.10 | skodde | ... |
| 13:55.30 | speyer | skodde no only now |
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| 13:56.01 | liable | speyer: why are you logged in as root in x? |
| 13:56.20 | speyer | liable im not i just started the root terminal |
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| 13:56.28 | speyer | im not logged in as root |
| 13:56.43 | geo-rge | skodde: well the elegant way is to find out exactly why it's not starting (we are confident that it's not starting, now: why?) |
| 13:56.45 | liable | speyer: why are you messing with roots .gnome dir then? |
| 13:56.53 | PingFloyd | it was probably gksu'd to root |
| 13:57.08 | skodde | geo-rge: that's why i asked him to run it from a terminal |
| 13:57.27 | skodde | geo-rge: now i'm wondering if that terminal was a root one.. |
| 13:57.29 | speyer | liable no clue man. didnt want to |
| 13:57.36 | geo-rge | which he did, and the icons appear |
| 13:57.46 | liable | speyer: you need to move your users .gnome stuff, not root |
| 13:58.07 | PingFloyd | even easier just rename those dirs he was talking about |
| 13:58.07 | speyer | geo-rge you think so ? |
| 13:58.09 | liable | speyer: ie, /home/'user'/.gnome2 |
| 13:58.20 | geo-rge | skodde: unless he's suxed in or ssh root@localhost, he won't be able to run x clients as root |
| 13:58.21 | skodde | geo-rge: i've lost that, so why he didn't see nautilus in the session manager after that? |
| 13:58.47 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: you mean because of gdm? |
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| 13:59.22 | geo-rge | PingFloyd: well, the problem as you know is he doesn't get nautilus when he logs in |
| 13:59.22 | DimmuR | i'm searching for debian-related howto connect debian into ms active direrectory domain any1 can advice? |
| 13:59.36 | geo-rge | I wonder if he should purge nautilus and reinstall |
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| 13:59.49 | speyer | brb |
| 13:59.56 | fasta | "Only Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is supported (OSS/ESD will not play audio; audio will silently fail.)" <- you were right |
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| 14:01.34 | cahoot | fasta audio will silently fail - nice |
| 14:01.55 | geo-rge | name of my new band: The Silent Failures |
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| 14:02.31 | cahoot | salient failures? |
| 14:02.32 | tralala | !praise adobe |
| 14:03.05 | lacostej | what did adobe do to deserve this ? |
| 14:03.13 | cahoot | isn't adobe soma sort of clay? |
| 14:04.12 | geo-rge | rock adobe... |
| 14:04.13 | lacostej | I am trying to troubleshoot a freshly installed jboss machine on a Debian box. It's more about Linux than jboss. I don't see port 8080 from the outside. On the local machine I can telnet it, and nmap sees it. netstat -a doesn't show anything on port 8080. The problem could be a firewall incorrectly configured (outside the machine) or the application restricting access to port 8080 from... |
| 14:04.13 | lacostej | ...localhost. Any idea ? |
| 14:04.13 | lacostej | I don't get why netstat doesn't show the port |
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| 14:04.54 | tralala | lacostej, netstat -t -n -l |
| 14:05.05 | geo-rge | lacostej: so you have an internal network? |
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| 14:05.15 | lacostej | tralala: yes this shows it |
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| 14:05.42 | tralala | lacostej, does it show as 0.0.0.0:8080 or 127.0.0.1:8080 |
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| 14:05.57 | lacostej | tralala 0.0.0.0 |
| 14:06.05 | geo-rge | lacostej: so you have an internal network? |
| 14:06.21 | tralala | lacostej, then it's a firewal blocking it |
| 14:06.36 | lacostej | ok... why doesn't netstat -a | grep 8080 shows it |
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| 14:06.53 | speyer | works |
| 14:06.54 | tralala | lacostej, you can find out this and much more in man netstat\ |
| 14:06.59 | geo-rge | no response; cancel my question |
| 14:07.36 | speyer | it didnt show nautilus in sessions manager because i forgot that i was using the root terminal and i runned nautilus from there so it couldnt show it :) |
| 14:07.49 | lacostej | ah stupid... it translates 8080 to webcache... |
| 14:07.50 | De_Mon | should 'debian/rules binary' create a deb? |
| 14:07.51 | lacostej | thanks |
| 14:08.10 | speyer | liable thanks man |
| 14:08.23 | geo-rge | De_Mon: assuming you ran debian/rules clean and debian/rules build |
| 14:09.03 | tralala | De_Mon, yes, under specific circumstances |
| 14:09.12 | De_Mon | ah, okay |
| 14:09.31 | De_Mon | dpkg -b does all of that? |
| 14:09.50 | geo-rge | man dpkg should say |
| 14:10.17 | tralala | De_Mon, I'd recommend apt-get install |
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| 14:10.38 | cydork | De_Mon: Or dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:10.49 | geo-rge | oic, he's recommending against building things |
| 14:10.49 | De_Mon | dpkg-buildpachage! thats what I was looking for |
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| 14:13.10 | De_Mon | tralala apt-get install doesnt load my custom dpatches |
| 14:13.17 | cydork | !be building barbie geo-rge |
| 14:13.23 | cydork | bahh :P |
| 14:13.48 | geo-rge | cydork: yeah. that's what they do here |
| 14:13.48 | De_Mon | I did all this work to add some new features and then forgot how to build the package when a new version came out ;0 |
| 14:14.43 | cydork | De_Mon: so you are adding something to debian sources? |
| 14:15.31 | De_Mon | ayup |
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| 14:16.16 | cydork | De_Mon: simple steps are given here -> /msg dpkg source |
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| 14:18.15 | De_Mon | thanks |
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| 14:24.23 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 14:27.37 | liable | stupid is as stupid does |
| 14:27.43 | liable | run! |
| 14:27.54 | cydork | heh |
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| 14:31.16 | geo-rge | as long as that is believed, the supposed "smart people" will have a way to make themselves look better (to themselves) by putting down others |
| 14:32.08 | Quibus | hey abrotman |
| 14:32.08 | roe | is there something out there that will monitor/tally traffic to a certian IP? |
| 14:32.09 | liable | geo-rge: sheesh, i thought you stopped that argument 10 hours ago! :P |
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| 14:32.33 | geo-rge | liable: evidently not :) |
| 14:32.59 | Quibus | abrotman: what was that apt-file command again to get that file listing of mozilla-mplayer? (To check whether it contains stuff that will end up in mozilla-firefox.... |
| 14:33.05 | Quibus | ) |
| 14:33.12 | nayyares | i am facing strange problem with proxy redirection. i found that, when it redirect port 80 trafic to apache server, the tcptraker shows that the traffic has SYN_SENT status, at the same time when i check apache server it shows requester IP with RESET status and every thing goes down? while same apache server is working fine if it is access through its own IP? |
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| 14:33.28 | geo-rge | Quibus: check man apt-file |
| 14:33.42 | Quibus | Did that, but I didn't get a similar layout as the other day |
| 14:34.07 | cydork | layout?? |
| 14:34.25 | Quibus | IIRC it was apt-file -v list mozilla-mplayer |
| 14:34.31 | Quibus | But that gives weird output |
| 14:34.40 | geo-rge | readable? |
| 14:34.49 | Quibus | yeah |
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| 14:35.11 | Quibus | basically,it only lists the repositories and a regexp |
| 14:35.13 | geo-rge | nayyares: ask the channel a question |
| 14:35.23 | nayyares | i am facing strange problem with proxy redirection. i found that, when it redirect port 80 trafic to apache server, the tcptraker shows that the traffic has SYN_SENT status, at the same time when i check apache server it shows requester IP with RESET status and every thing goes down? while same apache server is working fine if it is access through its own IP? |
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| 14:35.29 | kdean06 | Does anyone know which package provides a Free JRE compatible plugin for Iceweasel? |
| 14:35.35 | tralala | nayyares, /msg dpkg repeat |
| 14:35.52 | Quibus | For somre reason, apt-file update is tremendously slow here |
| 14:35.52 | tralala | kdean06, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:35.53 | Flimzy | if dpkg-reconfigure <package> does _not_ reconfigure a package that was originally configured during the apt-get install... Then how else can you force a Debianized reconfigure? |
| 14:36.17 | azeem | kdean06: java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 14:36.20 | Quibus | hmm, maybe apt-file can't handle a proxy? |
| 14:36.32 | tralala | Flimzy, it _does_ reconfigure it |
| 14:36.47 | Flimzy | tralala: Well it didn't prompt me for any config options like it did on the initial install. |
| 14:36.51 | Quibus | AFAIK apt-file uses curl which respects http-proxy |
| 14:36.57 | nayyares | geo-rge, i hope you are reading my question. |
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| 14:37.20 | geo-rge | Flimzy: some packages probably still are not debconfized |
| 14:37.38 | Flimzy | geo-rge: Okay... so how would I reconfigure one of those? |
| 14:38.03 | geo-rge | you'd need to know where the config files are and edit with fav. text editor |
| 14:38.04 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:38.18 | HardDisk_WP | anyone having experience in converting a source package to a debian package? |
| 14:38.24 | Flimzy | geo-rge: There's no way to re-run the script that configured it the first time? |
| 14:38.26 | tralala | nayyares, how are you redirecting it |
| 14:38.29 | HardDisk_WP | my debian book says I have to execute dh_make |
| 14:38.37 | HardDisk_WP | and dpkg-buildpackage but that fails |
| 14:38.46 | tralala | Flimzy, purge, install again |
| 14:38.47 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: that's not all. |
| 14:38.53 | geo-rge | Flimzy: you mean to get the original/default config? |
| 14:38.55 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg nm |
| 14:39.04 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, thx |
| 14:39.13 | Flimzy | geo-rge: No. To run the original config script, that asks for user input, and builds a config file accordingly. |
| 14:39.17 | nayyares | tralala, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -d proxy-ip -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination local-ip |
| 14:39.23 | Flimzy | I suppose it could just be the post-inst |
| 14:39.29 | Flimzy | but whatever it is, I want to know how to redo it :P |
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| 14:39.31 | limpio | hi all, i'm using etch, i want to compile the latest version of the wm jwm, i got installed zip,unzip,bzip2, build-dep checkinstall. Is there a 'dev' package that i'm missing? |
| 14:39.32 | Blackhold | hello |
| 14:39.37 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: sorry it should be /msg dpkg nm guide :) |
| 14:39.46 | kdean06 | Thank you azeem. It seems that packages isn't in Etch, and I didn't think to look in Sid. :P |
| 14:39.50 | Blackhold | exists any graphical tool to administrate the files/folders permissions? |
| 14:39.59 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, :D. but i dont have a new debian pkg... |
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| 14:40.01 | geo-rge | Flimzy: that's possible... it;s starting to sound, tho, that it -is- debconfed |
| 14:40.07 | azeem | !info java-gcj-compat-plugin etch |
| 14:40.12 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, i simply want to build my package of gtkpod |
| 14:40.13 | PingFloyd | Flimzy: what package? |
| 14:40.14 | dpkg | java-gcj-compat-plugin: (Web browser plugin to execute Java (tm) applets using gij), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.65-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 14:40.18 | azeem | kdean06: ^^ |
| 14:40.20 | tralala | nayyares, perhaps you want to switch the places of proxy-ip and local-ip |
| 14:40.21 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, bcause gtkpod in etch dont support G5 iPods |
| 14:40.24 | Flimzy | PingFloyd: dh-make-perl |
| 14:40.27 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: is that a debian source package? |
| 14:40.36 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, afaik... |
| 14:40.58 | geo-rge | HardDisk_WP: before you run dh_make, does it have a debian/ dir? |
| 14:41.03 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 14:41.14 | geo-rge | ohh, then maybe it's already set up |
| 14:41.22 | HardDisk_WP | geo-rge, it failed w dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: autotools-dev |
| 14:41.31 | HardDisk_WP | i installed the pkg now,... |
| 14:41.32 | nayyares | tralala, this is on proxy server, my ISP resolve domain to proxy IP and then i redirect it to apache server? |
| 14:41.40 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: then /msg dpkg source |
| 14:41.51 | liable | Flimzy: if dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it, it prolly got its own config app. dpkg -L the package |
| 14:41.58 | geo-rge | delete the dir, unpack the source, try rebuilding |
| 14:42.04 | HardDisk_WP | cydork, cool. i installed autotools-dev and it works... |
| 14:42.05 | tralala | nayyares, normally this is what you want to do |
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| 14:42.27 | Flimzy | liable: the only executable in dpkg -L's output is /usr/bin/dh-make-perl |
| 14:42.38 | Flimzy | liable: So any config'ing had to be done in a pre/postinst script |
| 14:42.40 | geo-rge | if it still says unmet deps, then look at debian/control to see what the build process depends on and try installing those |
| 14:42.49 | nayyares | tralala, but it is not working now :(, while it was working yesterday, after a reboot every thing is mess |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | Quibus: apt-file list |
| 14:42.52 | Wyzard | Debian has both "iceape" and "iceweasel" browsers... which is preferred? |
| 14:43.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: they are different |
| 14:43.13 | liable | havent heard of iceape |
| 14:43.21 | Vme | is there a way to tell if I have my power management turned on with SARGE? |
| 14:43.23 | geo-rge | Wyzard: you tell us... what do you prefer? |
| 14:43.23 | tralala | nayyares, how are you saving/restoring the firewall settings? |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: one is akin to the old monstrous mozilla suite .. the other is like firefox |
| 14:43.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 14:43.47 | liable | Flimzy: and reinstall doesnt do it? |
| 14:43.48 | nayyares | tralala, i have wrote it in rc.local |
| 14:43.55 | kdean06 | Love the word monsterous in that description. |
| 14:44.02 | Flimzy | liable: I haven't tried that yet... that shouldn't be necessary. |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 14:44.03 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey). |
| 14:44.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: ^^ |
| 14:44.18 | Wyzard | got it |
| 14:44.23 | Flimzy | There is no preinst or postinst script included in dh-make-perl |
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| 14:44.28 | geo-rge | nayyares: rc.local is not run |
| 14:44.32 | Wyzard | mozilla -> icelizard; firefox -> iceweasel |
| 14:44.32 | Flimzy | So it's not a custom config script |
| 14:44.32 | liable | Flimzy: if its in a postinst, then it obviously is.. |
| 14:44.41 | liable | Flimzy: or run the postinst script |
| 14:44.45 | Flimzy | liable: There is no postinst script... so that's not the case |
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| 14:45.00 | nayyares | geo-rge, it run and it is showing in iptables -t nat -L |
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| 14:45.30 | geo-rge | so you added stuff to run rc.local? |
| 14:45.31 | tralala | nayyares, ip_forward enabled? |
| 14:45.47 | liable | Flimzy: nfc then. you seem to have a clue, so i guess i'll leave you to it :P |
| 14:46.10 | nayyares | tralala, cat > ...../ip_forward gives 1. |
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| 14:46.17 | Flimzy | liable: hehe |
| 14:46.36 | Flimzy | liable: I don't have enough of a clue, apparantly.. :) Thanks anyway |
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| 14:46.50 | tralala | nayyares, sysctl -a | grep ip_forward |
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| 14:47.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: mozilla is iceape .. roughly .. icelizard is the collection of apps |
| 14:47.59 | liable | this renaming thing is getting out of hand |
| 14:48.01 | Flimzy | Well maybe dh-make-perl isn't what actually modifies /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm |
| 14:48.17 | Flimzy | But then dh-make-perl is the only cpan-related package I have installed |
| 14:48.40 | nayyares | tralala, net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 14:48.50 | liable | wodim is a particularly annoying fork |
| 14:49.02 | liable | only in namesake |
| 14:49.31 | tralala | nayyares, does the apache box have a net access? Does it have a firewall of its own? |
| 14:49.47 | liable | how the fuck are you supposed to remember that? |
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| 14:50.21 | nayyares | tralala, it has internet access and it is able to serve this site, when connection came direct , but not for this rediected traffic. |
| 14:50.24 | mrechber | hi, does anyone know where DISPLAY gets exported by default with debian 4.0? |
| 14:50.37 | tralala | liable, but it's so obvious - wodim like... ah... umh...... |
| 14:50.42 | nayyares | tralala, i can telnet on port 80 from proxy to apache IP as well. |
| 14:51.03 | liable | !beer tralala |
| 14:51.17 | Wyzard | mrec: "where" it gets exported? |
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| 14:51.25 | tralala | liable, diet destroyer! ;) |
| 14:51.44 | liable | beer *is* a diet! |
| 14:52.01 | tralala | hmm |
| 14:52.22 | mrec | Wyzard: it's an X feature very likely, when I fire up X the terminals show up DISPLAY=":0.0" in the exported variable list |
| 14:52.25 | tralala | liable, you've opened my eyes to a whole new world of possibilities! :) |
| 14:52.38 | liable | drink only beer, and i gaurentee you lose weight eventually |
| 14:52.40 | liable | :) |
| 14:53.29 | PingFloyd | probably from your liver disappearing |
| 14:53.37 | nayyares | tralala, any idea? |
| 14:53.41 | liable | even if it is only as your liver shrinks.. |
| 14:53.42 | Wyzard | mrec: I imagine it's set by the X server itself, since the X server is what knows which display number it's on |
| 14:53.43 | Ronin | beer goood |
| 14:53.48 | liable | doh |
| 14:53.56 | Flimzy | GRR! Is there _any_ way to find out what package created /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm? |
| 14:53.59 | mrec | Wyzard: question is just where :) |
| 14:54.02 | liable | PingFloyd: i was writing that as you were.. :( |
| 14:54.06 | liable | !lose me |
| 14:54.07 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 14:54.07 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 14:54.22 | PingFloyd | DISPLAY is probably set by some xsession file |
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| 14:54.27 | PingFloyd | script |
| 14:54.46 | PingFloyd | being dependant upon whether you're using a display manager, and which one |
| 14:54.55 | Wyzard | mrec: Well, /etc/X11/Xsession expects it to be set already |
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| 14:55.05 | PingFloyd | like with gdm, I think it's actually set in the gdm.conf iirc |
| 14:55.16 | Wyzard | mrec: and that's run directly by the X server (according to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc) |
| 14:55.45 | Wyzard | mrec: It's probably set by xinit, which is a compiled executable |
| 14:55.46 | tralala | nayyares, redirect another port in the same way and debug with netcat |
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| 14:56.21 | mrec | Wyzard: the problem is suse doesn't do it that way by default.. but I need it to work the same way |
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| 14:56.44 | Wyzard | mrec: How does suse do it? |
| 14:56.52 | mrec | Wyzard: doesn't export that variable |
| 14:57.00 | speyer | why i cannot play divx files over smb ? |
| 14:57.03 | mrec | though my debian system does it of course |
| 14:57.12 | Wyzard | mrec: suse doesn't provide the DISPLAY variable within an X session? |
| 14:57.35 | mrec | Wyzard: not in the terminals |
| 14:57.38 | nayyares | tralala, ok, i will getback to you. |
| 14:57.47 | mrec | if I set it myself it works as expected |
| 14:58.08 | mrec | I cannot run sudo xclock by default since it cannot find the xserver |
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| 14:58.14 | mrec | (just as an example) |
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| 14:58.35 | karmatronic | speyer: because you need to mount the windows share first |
| 14:58.38 | Wyzard | mrec: I'd blame your shell, then, for not preserving what's already in its environment |
| 14:58.41 | pumpkin0 | mrec: and plain "xclock" works ? |
| 14:59.03 | Wyzard | The terminal itself (xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole, whatever) definitely has DISPLAY or it wouldn't be able to show its window |
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| 14:59.06 | mrec | pumpkin0: yes |
| 14:59.20 | pumpkin0 | mrec: that is a problem with sudo, not X. |
| 14:59.28 | Wyzard | mrec: ok, so your sudo command isn't giving DISPLAY to the command it runs as root |
| 14:59.50 | mrec | pumpkin0: no it's not |
| 14:59.53 | pumpkin0 | mrec: and your sudo does not pass the X-auth to the called prog. |
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| 15:00.26 | mrec | pumpkin0: if I unset DISPLAY in a usershell of my debian system I cannot run xclock either |
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| 15:00.33 | Wyzard | mrec: Environment variables are inherited from parent process to child process |
| 15:00.47 | mrec | Wyzard: I know but it must be set by the xserver somewhere |
| 15:01.02 | mrec | it's not set on an initial shell by default |
| 15:01.03 | EdwardTLS | how can I run services on <1024 ports as non root (without using iptables or portforwards ectect... ? |
| 15:01.03 | pumpkin0 | mrec: if you can start "xclock" as user in a console => DISPLAY must be set. |
| 15:01.14 | EdwardTLS | there is some kernel thing right.. ? |
| 15:01.35 | Wyzard | mrec: It *is* set by the X server -- I absolutely guarantee that your xterm process has a display variable in its environment, because otherwise it wouldn't be able to display itself |
| 15:01.50 | Wyzard | mrec: The xterm starts a shell within itself, and gives the shell a copy of its environment |
| 15:02.04 | mrec | err I must have been wrong somewhere right |
| 15:02.07 | Wyzard | mrec: Your shell gets DISPLAY *from the xterm*, not from the X server itself |
| 15:02.08 | mrec | DISPLAY is set |
| 15:02.31 | Wyzard | If things run from within the shell don't have DISPLAY, the problem is the shell or the program you ran from the shell, not the X server |
| 15:02.37 | tralala | of course it is, otherwise xclock wouldn't start |
| 15:02.38 | pumpkin0 | mrec: run: "echo $DISPLAY" and "sudo echo $DISPLAY". I guess your su'ed process does not have the rights... |
| 15:02.42 | mrec | I didn't see it before |
| 15:02.50 | mrec | I see it in the exported list |
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| 15:02.57 | mrec | the variable is fine |
| 15:03.25 | tralala | btw root needs to be authenticated to run X apps in an user session |
| 15:03.28 | pumpkin0 | mrec: like i said before: blame sudo not X. (or blame the X-auth-system...) |
| 15:03.39 | kdean06 | sux can solve that. :) |
| 15:03.41 | tralala | this can be done by xauth or sux |
| 15:04.10 | mrec | pumpkin0: well DISPLAY is not set if I run sudo su |
| 15:04.26 | mrec | that comes 1 step closer to the solution actually :) |
| 15:04.35 | pumpkin0 | mrec: OK, that is a problem with the suse sudo. => #suse. |
| 15:06.00 | kdean06 | mrec, Try installing sux, and using that like the sudo command, i.e. sux root apt-get update (Which Suse doesn't have by default, but you get the point. ) |
| 15:06.01 | PingFloyd | Novell is as Novell does |
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| 15:07.07 | Rockj | is there a way to force force a umount? |
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| 15:07.28 | mrec | Rockj: do you still have an open reference to it? |
| 15:07.32 | Rockj | I lost connection to a samba mount and it refuses me to umount it for remounting it. |
| 15:07.35 | mrec | lsof -n | grep <mountpoint> |
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| 15:08.38 | karmatronic | Rockj: close your terminal and open a new one and then umount it |
| 15:08.47 | pumpkin0 | Rockj: remount to another mountpoint. And use "umount -l" to stop other progs from becoming unavailable. |
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| 15:10.00 | Rockj | umount -lf works like a charm. I'am going to remount them now :) |
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| 15:10.33 | pumpkin0 | Rockj: -l is a trick, it does not really umount... |
| 15:10.41 | Flimzy | Is there a correct way to install Bundle::CPAN in Debian? |
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| 15:12.28 | Rockj | pumpkin0: I noticed. (checked man) |
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| 15:21.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:21.43 | dpkg | qotd158 is, like, <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 15:21.59 | liable | !seen paulswm |
| 15:21.59 | dpkg | paulswm <n=cymro@50.225.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 56d 19h 26m 57s ago, saying: 'eeyore-: they don't call 'em CD burners for nothing :P'. |
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| 15:22.49 | speyer | karmatronic it is mounted i can see the files :) |
| 15:23.19 | pumpkin0 | speyer: can you copy them ? |
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| 15:26.05 | dkr | I was able to install etch on msi p965 platinum motherboard ( jmicron pata, intel ich8 sata ) using yesterday's nightly build of the etch installer. (no funky parameters needed.) whee (and audio worked with onboard intel ich8 HD audio controller worked by default, too. quite nifty) |
| 15:27.02 | liable | dkr: ooh, wish you were here a couple of hours ago, someone couldnt install on ich8 |
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| 15:27.17 | liable | didnt know the daily supported it |
| 15:27.21 | mrec | ok I found it, it's hardcoded in sudo |
| 15:27.26 | dkr | yeah, it's been a common problem, lots of posts online asking about it the past few months |
| 15:27.43 | liable | dkr: what kernel is the daily? |
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| 15:27.52 | dkr | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 15:27.58 | liable | hrm |
| 15:28.08 | liable | whats the stable one? |
| 15:28.15 | dkr | well, that's what I have installed. nto sure which the installer used |
| 15:28.28 | Quibus | abrotman: not here? |
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| 15:28.35 | abrotman | Quibus: i answered you :) |
| 15:28.47 | Quibus | hmm, I missed it... :( |
| 15:28.59 | liable | lastlog is your friend |
| 15:29.12 | abrotman | Quibus: apt-file list |
| 15:29.30 | Quibus | abrotman: anyway, it doesn't list anything now and I think it's because apt-file isn't working at all, it's getting nothing from the reposotires |
| 15:29.40 | abrotman | Quibus: apt-file search ? |
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| 15:29.58 | liable | apt-file takes a while to get the data |
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| 15:30.01 | Quibus | nothing |
| 15:30.03 | Flimzy | dh-make-perl will not build SVN::Web 0.51... It appears it does not know how to handle SVN::Web's interactive configuration process with proper defaults.. should I file this as a bug against dh-make-perl? Or is it a problem with SVN::Web? |
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| 15:30.35 | liable | Flimzy: did you reconfig it? |
| 15:30.43 | liable | (out of interest) |
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| 15:30.57 | Flimzy | liable: Only manually. |
| 15:31.00 | Quibus | abrotman: seemingly apt-file is dead and the only thing I can think of being the cause is the proxy here |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | Quibus: kill the proxy! |
| 15:31.39 | liable | !kill the proxy |
| 15:31.41 | Quibus | easier said tha done |
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| 15:32.05 | Quibus | apt-cache works fine |
| 15:32.07 | Quibus | apt-file does not |
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| 15:32.13 | Quibus | aptitude works fine as well |
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| 15:32.37 | [Marvin] | Hm, the busybox minimal shell ignores C-c - how can I otherwise abort a program? |
| 15:32.53 | Quibus | !bug 350716 |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | bug 350716 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350716 |
| 15:33.00 | Quibus | that's not entirely it... |
| 15:33.22 | liable | [Marvin]: kill from another vt |
| 15:33.25 | h3sp4wn | [Marvin]: busybox has ps and kill |
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| 15:34.00 | liable | [Marvin]: strange though, i woulda thought ^c would work |
| 15:34.27 | [Marvin] | liable, no - it's really minimal...no other vt's - currently I'm actually trapped in a ping :-p |
| 15:34.30 | liable | i cant remeber ever doing it though |
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| 15:34.40 | [Marvin] | So, I can't use kill :-p |
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| 15:34.56 | liable | [Marvin]: no other vt's? why not? |
| 15:35.12 | [Marvin] | It's because the system can't mount its root partition properly, so it's dropped me into this shell. |
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| 15:35.42 | liable | [Marvin]: should still have more than one vt |
| 15:35.52 | [Marvin] | googling around suggested to me that it was a busybox shell, but I'm not sure - the prompt just says (initramfs) |
| 15:36.06 | h3sp4wn | [Marvin]: any messages about problems with job control ? |
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| 15:36.24 | [Marvin] | well, C-M-F2 doesn't do an anything. |
| 15:36.36 | liable | just alt-f2 |
| 15:36.43 | [Marvin] | h3sp4wn, right now I just have the scrolling ping reply. |
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| 15:36.51 | [Marvin] | liable, still nothing. |
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| 15:37.10 | yunhual | i want to connect to my company. how can i set up the client, the vpn service of my company has been setup. |
| 15:37.12 | h3sp4wn | [Marvin]: control-z does that work ? |
| 15:37.29 | h3sp4wn | (then you can kill it) |
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| 15:37.31 | [Marvin] | nope...I must have tried control-just-about-everything. |
| 15:37.40 | karmatronic | yunhual: which kind of vpn ? |
| 15:37.45 | h3sp4wn | job control is not working then |
| 15:37.49 | liable | well a busybox shell usually says debian3.2 or someshit, not initramfs |
| 15:38.08 | yunhual | pptp |
| 15:38.14 | [Marvin] | hm, I wonder what my options are then...I wish I could find some documentation somewhere... |
| 15:38.17 | itchi | Hi, when i do a remote ssh connection, my .bashrc file are not read of the remote host. I need to execute bash manually to get my .bashrc read. How can i automate it when i do an ssh connection? |
| 15:38.22 | karmatronic | yunhual: then you ll need |
| 15:38.24 | Ungy | I am gettig a strange error on my home server |
| 15:38.33 | karmatronic | yunhual: mppe_mppdc |
| 15:38.48 | karmatronic | yunhual: mppe_mppc the driver |
| 15:38.56 | yunhual | karmatronic , thank you |
| 15:39.02 | Ungy | "sudo apt-get update; Password: ;sudo: Can't mkdir /var/run/sudo/brader: File exists" |
| 15:39.06 | karmatronic | yunhual: then either set /etc/ppp/peers |
| 15:39.18 | karmatronic | or install pptplinux |
| 15:39.30 | liable | Ungy: so stop the process you already have running as sudo |
| 15:39.31 | Ungy | I try to su into the machine and I get a bus error |
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| 15:39.58 | h3sp4wn | itchi: source .bashrc from .bash_profile |
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| 15:40.04 | karmatronic | yunhual: check here http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian-build.phtml |
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| 15:40.16 | h3sp4wn | itchi: or symlink .bashrc to .bash_profile |
| 15:40.44 | itchi | h3sp4wn: hhhm, gona look to it, thanks |
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| 15:40.59 | Ungy | liable how do I find a process from a disconnected session |
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| 15:41.17 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I not have the file .bash_profile |
| 15:41.33 | liable | Ungy: lsof /var/run/sudo/brader should help |
| 15:41.44 | liable | Ungy: or fuser |
| 15:42.15 | Ungy | -bash: /usr/bin/lsof: Input/output error |
| 15:42.17 | h3sp4wn | itchi: .bash_login ? there is a few different ones you can use for login shells |
| 15:42.51 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I have make a simlink from .bashrc to .bash_profile and it work :-) :-) |
| 15:43.28 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Cool, it work right :-) Many thanks ;-) |
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| 15:44.54 | Ungy | hmm I try hard reboot |
| 15:45.48 | itchi | h3sp4wn: On antoher computer i have been the .bash_profile file, and that's the content of it, gona do like this http://pastebin.ca/319601 |
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| 15:46.01 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Thanks that have light on my light |
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| 15:47.22 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Both ways work right |
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| 15:48.17 | h3sp4wn | itchi: if you have a remote script that needs to be run with bash (bad idea but still) you need to be more careful |
| 15:48.39 | h3sp4wn | otherwise stuff in bashrc can mess up the environment |
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| 15:49.29 | itchi | h3sp4wn: It's just for some settings, like colors, my aliasses and such |
| 15:49.49 | itchi | Nothings particular in fact |
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| 15:52.20 | _frederik_ | hello, i have a problem with apt-get: |
| 15:52.21 | _frederik_ | $ sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 15:52.21 | _frederik_ | zsh: segmentation fault sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 15:52.22 | _frederik_ | [139] |
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| 15:53.13 | itchi | _frederik_: Trash sudo |
| 15:53.20 | _frederik_ | trash? |
| 15:53.27 | futlib | hi, I'm about to install debian sarge, but I have one problem: the machine I am going to install on has no network card |
| 15:53.34 | itchi | _frederik_: sudo > /dev/null |
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| 15:53.47 | itchi | _frederik_: It's just a mountain of crap |
| 15:53.48 | futlib | the installer always tries to fetch the base system via apt - how can I make him use the one from my cd? |
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| 15:54.01 | itchi | _frederik_: Have you not admin access? |
| 15:54.07 | Ph3NoMeN0 | hi all :) |
| 15:54.09 | _frederik_ | itchi: oh no, i do |
| 15:54.21 | PingFloyd | why not try with su instead? |
| 15:54.26 | Ph3NoMeN0 | dudes I need a little help setting up an ftpserver... |
| 15:54.27 | PingFloyd | and see if the problem goes away |
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| 15:54.40 | _frederik_ | PingFloyd: i did, same |
| 15:54.42 | itchi | PingFloyd: dude yourself! |
| 15:54.49 | itchi | oeps |
| 15:54.56 | itchi | Ph3NoMeN0: dude yourself! |
| 15:55.02 | Ph3NoMeN0 | :P |
| 15:55.02 | itchi | PingFloyd: Sorry, not meaned to you |
| 15:55.09 | Ph3NoMeN0 | itchi can u help me |
| 15:55.19 | _frederik_ | dude isn't an insult |
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| 15:55.19 | itchi | Ph3NoMeN0: nope, i'm not a dude |
| 15:55.26 | mikefoo | Hey I accidental did crontab -r -u root instead of crontab -e -u root and removed the crontab, anyway to get it back guys? |
| 15:55.31 | _frederik_ | ah |
| 15:55.35 | itchi | _frederik_: not an insult, but not yet right too |
| 15:55.35 | Ph3NoMeN0 | dude is the same of guy |
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| 15:56.02 | Ph3NoMeN0 | come on :D |
| 15:56.02 | futlib | anyone? need a way to do an offline installation of debian |
| 15:56.06 | _frederik_ | so any ideas what i should do about apt-get crashing? aptitude also crashes |
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| 15:56.29 | Ph3NoMeN0 | anyone can help me please? :) |
| 15:56.29 | itchi | dude inn french it mean 'poseur' |
| 15:56.33 | Ono | which tool convert to my videos wmv to mpeg or avi? |
| 15:56.51 | _frederik_ | futlib: when i install, the installer always asks if i want to install from CD |
| 15:56.55 | Ph3NoMeN0 | itchi I'm italian...don't know what poseur means... |
| 15:57.16 | _frederik_ | Ono: mencoder? not in debian though AFAICT |
| 15:57.20 | futlib | _frederik_: hm. something is going wrong, I fetched the image: debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 15:57.29 | itchi | Ph3NoMeN0: bit like 'he the playboy' |
| 15:57.52 | Ph3NoMeN0 | it was no my intention |
| 15:58.06 | itchi | Ph3NoMeN0: :-p English is kinda weird |
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| 15:58.23 | Ph3NoMeN0 | my only need was to understand why I can add a user I created to the sudoers list |
| 15:58.36 | amphi | itchi: not like .fr, eh? ;) |
| 15:58.43 | Ph3NoMeN0 | *how |
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| 15:58.59 | itchi | amphi: yup French, France |
| 15:59.06 | _frederik_ | Ph3NoMeN0: edit /etc/sudoers? |
| 15:59.16 | JordiGH | man sudoers |
| 15:59.17 | JordiGH | man visudo |
| 15:59.25 | _frederik_ | oh right |
| 16:00.09 | Ronin | ewww |
| 16:00.11 | futlib | _frederik_: what image do I need for an offline installation? is the first one not enougH? |
| 16:00.32 | Ph3NoMeN0 | man sudoers followed by the username? |
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| 16:00.48 | futlib | _frederik_: the installer asks me to setup the network, and assumes that I'm online after that... as if I was using netinst |
| 16:00.52 | JordiGH | Ph3NoMeN0: No. "man sudoers" is rtfm. ;-) |
| 16:01.07 | pumpkin0 | futlib: the first one only installs a basic system + X. If you don't setup a network ... |
| 16:01.18 | futlib | pumpkin0: okay, I'll try again |
| 16:01.27 | JordiGH | Ph3NoMeN0: It's not complicated, really. Just do visudo and copy the entry for root identically for another user. |
| 16:01.29 | futlib | have to go offline for this :P |
| 16:01.30 | futlib | bye |
| 16:01.38 | _frederik_ | bye |
| 16:01.51 | amphi | itchi: in .fr, if 'motherboard' is 'la carte mère', do you talk about 'le pont du nord'? ;) |
| 16:01.57 | _frederik_ | so apt-get is broken and i don't know what to do - what is the next step? |
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| 16:02.58 | FormA | hi |
| 16:03.00 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:03.07 | JordiGH | !greet y'all |
| 16:03.07 | dpkg | Gr33tz, y'all |
| 16:03.08 | HardDisk_WP | i have got some selfmade debian packages |
| 16:03.25 | HardDisk_WP | how do i create a repository which people can use in sources.list? |
| 16:03.26 | JordiGH | That's a nice trick. I wish my Debian packages would also make themselves. |
| 16:03.53 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, dh_make |
| 16:03.58 | FormA | how can i reinstall a package with the default configuration file? with apt-get --reinstall install the configuration file are always the same (modified) |
| 16:04.23 | HardDisk_WP | FormA, install, then apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE, then apt-get install PACKAGE |
| 16:04.38 | HardDisk_WP | FormA, the purge deletes also the config files. |
| 16:05.02 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 16:05.02 | rgsteele | Hey guys. Any good recommendations on user control panels for Debian? |
| 16:05.17 | FormA | i can't do --purge, i need only reinstall witohut removing the package |
| 16:05.30 | JordiGH | !repository |
| 16:05.31 | dpkg | well, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 16:05.36 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP ^^ |
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| 16:06.05 | itchi | amphi: he, i not understand the joke :-s |
| 16:06.07 | cydork | JordiGH: that's a bit overkill for a small repo :P |
| 16:06.21 | itchi | amphi: i'm kina out too with the work |
| 16:06.28 | itchi | kinda* |
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| 16:08.06 | rgsteele | Obviously, Usermin and Webmin are out of the realm of possibility. |
| 16:08.07 | cydork | bahh i just missed a chance to smack god! |
| 16:08.23 | rgsteele | cydork: I'm sure the chance will come around again. |
| 16:10.09 | Ungy | man my root password for soem reason no longer works |
| 16:10.18 | Ungy | this blows |
| 16:10.35 | Ungy | I still have sudo but how the hell did my root password change |
| 16:10.42 | blondie | you got rooted? |
| 16:10.49 | rgsteele | Ungy: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 init=/bin/sh root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 16:10.49 | Ronin | owned |
| 16:11.00 | rgsteele | see that init=/bin/sh? Stick that in at the Grub menu |
| 16:11.11 | rgsteele | Then reset the password |
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| 16:11.23 | Ungy | rgsteele thanks |
| 16:11.29 | rgsteele | Next to whatever image you're booting. Yep, np. |
| 16:11.41 | Ronin | may want to look closely into why it no longer works as well |
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| 16:12.22 | Ungy | Ronin yeah no kidding but oh well I will have to do it when I get home |
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| 16:12.25 | rgsteele | Ungy: Might I suggest something like chkrootkit or tripwire, or something in the future. |
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| 16:12.53 | Ungy | rgsteele I am nto that overly worried about it I only have files from my home on it |
| 16:13.06 | karmatronic | Ronin: if you gain access to root account on a machine , chnaging root password is not the the best thing to do..... |
| 16:13.15 | Ungy | rgsteele: everythign is backed up just a bti of a pisser my wife forgot her smbpasswd |
| 16:13.25 | x_link | Hi Ronin =) |
| 16:13.35 | rgsteele | Until the hacker uses your box as a platform to launch an attack. |
| 16:13.48 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/319617 I still haven't been able to fix this. |
| 16:13.48 | Flimzy | What is the maximum filesize for a file on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 16:13.51 | rgsteele | And your IP gets blacklisted all over th eplace. |
| 16:13.54 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with that? |
| 16:13.55 | PingFloyd | attacker would have to be moron to change root password |
| 16:14.01 | PingFloyd | kind of self defeating |
| 16:14.12 | x_link | I just visited the URL from the topic, but I didn't find anything there. |
| 16:14.23 | Ronin | did i say attacker? i said check closely to see why its no longer working |
| 16:14.34 | Ronin | x_link: /topic didnt help you? |
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| 16:15.03 | x_link | I didn't find anything on that site. |
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| 16:15.06 | Ungy | I mean if I was really that concerned I wouldn't be running sid |
| 16:15.10 | x_link | I will keep on looking. |
| 16:15.39 | karmatronic | x_link: small solution |
| 16:16.05 | x_link | karmatronic: Okey? |
| 16:16.27 | karmatronic | x_link: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 16:16.33 | karmatronic | x_link: then |
| 16:16.42 | karmatronic | x_link: apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 16:16.49 | x_link | karmatronic: Okey, thanks alot! |
| 16:16.54 | karmatronic | x_link: next time your messages will be gone |
| 16:17.19 | Ronin | sort of like what dpkg says actually, odd that |
| 16:17.23 | x_link | karmatronic: The first command you wrote. should I just type it like that in my konsole? |
| 16:17.35 | karmatronic | x_link: as root |
| 16:17.39 | x_link | Yeah.... |
| 16:17.42 | karmatronic | x_link: both |
| 16:17.44 | x_link | Thanks... Will do that right now. |
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| 16:18.04 | x_link | karmatronic: Yeah... I will do them in konsole. I was just wondering of the first one. |
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| 16:18.42 | karmatronic | x_link: wait wait |
| 16:18.56 | karmatronic | x_link: i found either better solution |
| 16:19.14 | karmatronic | x_link: apt-key update |
| 16:19.21 | karmatronic | x_link: debian s so cool |
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| 16:19.34 | x_link | karmatronic: I already did the first commands =/ |
| 16:19.48 | x_link | karmatronic: Ahh so apt-gekey update would fixed it? |
| 16:20.21 | karmatronic | x_link: they do the same anyway |
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| 16:21.00 | x_link | Okey, I will now do apt-get update and see if it got fixed. |
| 16:21.14 | karmatronic | x_link: let s pray :) |
| 16:21.18 | x_link | karmatronic: Still the same thing. |
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| 16:21.48 | x_link | karmatronic: hehe kiddding. It worked just fine. Thanks ALOT for your help mate! |
| 16:21.53 | FormA | how can i replace modified file of a package with a reinstallation? (not remove --purge only with reinstallation) |
| 16:22.04 | karmatronic | x_link: you re welcome |
| 16:22.05 | x_link | karmatronic: But next time that happens then I should just do apt-key update? |
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| 16:22.11 | karmatronic | x_link: yes |
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| 16:22.34 | x_link | karmatronic: Good. I will write that down in my linux book, where I write down all important commands etc. =) |
| 16:24.04 | hark | FormA: you mean conf files? |
| 16:24.12 | x_link | karmatronic: Just one last thing, sudo command doesn't work for me. |
| 16:24.39 | x_link | karmatronic: Is there something I have to install or change some settings to make it work or what? |
| 16:24.40 | hark | x_link: the faq and the factoid not work earlier? |
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| 16:24.51 | FormA | hark, no....whatever file comes from package |
| 16:24.56 | karmatronic | x_link: you re using debian right ? |
| 16:25.07 | x_link | karmatronic: I use Debian Etch, KDE 3.5 |
| 16:25.20 | x_link | hark: I didn't get it =/. But it's fixed now. Thanks! |
| 16:25.37 | karmatronic | x_link: ok so you have to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 16:25.42 | hark | FormA: --reinstall? |
| 16:25.43 | x_link | OKey. |
| 16:25.49 | karmatronic | x_link: with the command visudo |
| 16:25.53 | danieldg | is there a quick way to convert a 'make install' script into creating a .deb? I'm trying to read dpkg-buildpackage, but I don't want to create a debian/ directory manually |
| 16:26.10 | PingFloyd | danieldg: yeah, check install |
| 16:26.13 | karmatronic | x_link: and add a line like this one |
| 16:26.16 | hark | danieldg: there's checkinstall for a quick hacky way |
| 16:26.20 | PingFloyd | s/check install/checkinstall |
| 16:26.22 | x_link | karmatronic: nano /etc/sudoers. I'm there now. |
| 16:26.40 | danieldg | are those packages? they're not commands that I have installed... |
| 16:26.53 | danieldg | ah, thanks |
| 16:26.57 | hark | danieldg: yes, install it |
| 16:27.03 | danieldg | yeah, just found it |
| 16:27.05 | FormA | hark, --reinstall leave unchanged the modified files |
| 16:27.12 | x_link | karmatronic: Should I do nano /etc/sudoers or visudo? |
| 16:27.22 | karmatronic | visudo is more secure |
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| 16:27.26 | x_link | karmatronic: OKey. |
| 16:27.45 | danieldg | you can try EDITOR=nano visudo to use nano not vi |
| 16:27.45 | x_link | karmatronic: Just visudo then right? Not nano visudo. |
| 16:28.10 | x_link | karmatronic: Should I add my user account there or? |
| 16:28.22 | hark | FormA: what file was modified? |
| 16:28.22 | karmatronic | x_link: yeah add a line like this |
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| 16:28.40 | x_link | karmatronic: sedde is the name for the normal account |
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| 16:28.45 | karmatronic | your_user ALL = NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 16:28.49 | karmatronic | i think |
| 16:29.40 | karmatronic | or more secure your_user ALL=PASSWD:ALL |
| 16:29.59 | x_link | sedde ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL then |
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| 16:30.02 | karmatronic | to have the system asked you your password to execute super user commands |
| 16:30.14 | karmatronic | donc put your login user ! |
| 16:30.33 | x_link | Hmm okey ? |
| 16:30.39 | karmatronic | yes |
| 16:30.48 | x_link | What should I put there then? |
| 16:31.12 | karmatronic | x_link: worked ? |
| 16:31.28 | x_link | I didn't try, I will do it now. |
| 16:31.42 | limpio | x_link: # update-alternatives --config editor |
| 16:32.06 | karmatronic | limpio: yeah... |
| 16:33.08 | limpio | :) |
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| 16:33.08 | speyer | karmatronic could you please repeat what you just told me , i was away and i cannot scroll up because i can see only the last 300 lines |
| 16:33.09 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/319633 |
| 16:33.09 | karmatronic | i dont remember your problem |
| 16:33.10 | x_link | karmatronic: Does that look right? I added that last line. |
| 16:33.10 | x_link | limpio: OKey.... |
| 16:33.24 | pumpkin0 | speyer: can you copy the files to your system ? |
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| 16:33.50 | x_link | limpio: What is that? About editors? |
| 16:33.55 | x_link | karmatronic: Did it look right? |
| 16:33.57 | speyer | pumpkin0 yes i can copy them , but i dont want to , i wanna be able to play them from the other machine |
| 16:34.04 | bonez43 | I need help setting up a wireless pci card...AWD154. in debian 3.1 |
| 16:34.14 | pumpkin0 | speyer: is the copy fast enough ? |
| 16:34.37 | speyer | pumpkin0 i can say yes |
| 16:34.40 | bonez43 | I can't get the system to respond to or connect with this card...the card works fine in a windows machine...I have run ndiswrapper to create the drivers to use in linux |
| 16:34.57 | ThinkLinux | bonez43 try to use ndiswrapper |
| 16:34.59 | limpio | x_link, in order to choose which editor you want by default, on my /etc/sudoers i got: root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 16:34.59 | limpio | luigi ALL = NOPASSWD : ALL |
| 16:35.05 | pumpkin0 | speyer: what error-msg do the players output (=> pastebin) |
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| 16:35.21 | karmatronic | x_link: actually you c simply copy and paste the entry for root |
| 16:35.27 | x_link | limpio: OKey. |
| 16:35.29 | speyer | pumpkin0 ah ? msg to what ? |
| 16:35.29 | karmatronic | x_link: changing root for your user |
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| 16:35.43 | karmatronic | this way you re sure it ill work :) |
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| 16:35.50 | pumpkin0 | speyer: you say the videos do not play. I want to see the error-message. |
| 16:35.53 | x_link | karmatronic: OKey, cause that sedde thing didn't work. |
| 16:36.00 | bonez43 | ThinkLinux, I have tried that.....there's one tutorial where it advises that I find the wap_supplicant folder, set up a .config file...make that file....and then proceed with other steps... |
| 16:36.10 | x_link | root ALL=(ALL) ALL I already have that in my visudo. |
| 16:36.15 | x_link | Ahh I don't get this. |
| 16:36.16 | rgsteele | Hm, anyone have any experience with DirectAdmin? Seems like the most viable alternative for a Debian-friendly user control panel. |
| 16:36.16 | karmatronic | x_link: sedde ALL=(ALL) ALL will work |
| 16:36.21 | ThinkLinux | bonez43, what's the result of the command ndiswrapper -l |
| 16:36.21 | x_link | karmatronic: ok |
| 16:36.53 | karmatronic | x_link: i have to insist |
| 16:36.57 | speyer | pumpkin0 Couldn't display "smb://george/D/GEORGE/A.Litt...aven.2005.DVDRip.XviD-AEN.avi". |
| 16:37.03 | limpio | x_link: copy the second line i gave you, replace 'luigi' with your username |
| 16:37.08 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/319638 |
| 16:37.11 | x_link | Does that look right karmatronic ? |
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| 16:37.14 | pumpkin0 | speyer: which player did you use ? |
| 16:37.16 | ThinkLinux | bonez43, Do you still have install the kernel source & headers ? |
| 16:37.21 | x_link | limpio: OKey |
| 16:37.23 | speyer | pumpkin0 mplayer |
| 16:37.27 | x_link | limpio: In my visudo? |
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| 16:37.31 | bonez43 | david:/home/rich# ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers: mrv8000c driver present, hardware present |
| 16:37.35 | bonez43 | ThinkLinux, there's the output |
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| 16:37.43 | speyer | pumpkin0 gmplayer |
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| 16:38.18 | pumpkin0 | speyer: use the normal mplayer (without the g) from console and post the commandline and all outputs into a pastebin. |
| 16:38.19 | speyer | pumpkin0 looks like mplayer doesnt know where the files are smb unknow location |
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| 16:38.25 | ThinkLinux | bonez43, did you have loaded the module ndiswrapper ? |
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| 16:38.27 | limpio | x_link: next time you wanna do something as root, example: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install <app> |
| 16:38.33 | x_link | limpio: http://www.pastebin.ca/319641 |
| 16:38.36 | speyer | pumpkin0 ok |
| 16:38.51 | x_link | Is that right then? I added what you said as the last line in visudo. |
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| 16:39.35 | x_link | limpio: Did the URL I just posted look right? |
| 16:39.54 | x_link | limpio: Yes it works now =) |
| 16:40.05 | x_link | Thanks alot limpio & karmatronic ! I REALLY appreciate it alot! |
| 16:40.29 | x_link | $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y |
| 16:40.31 | speyer | pumpkin0 like that works but i would like to be able to make it work with gmplayer too any idea how ? |
| 16:40.38 | x_link | What is that "&&" ? |
| 16:40.42 | x_link | What does that do? |
| 16:40.54 | x_link | That means you can do two things with one command or what? |
| 16:41.02 | chris_goe | man bash |
| 16:41.04 | PingFloyd | it's boolean expression |
| 16:41.11 | chris_goe | man sh |
| 16:41.14 | x_link | chris_goe: Me? |
| 16:41.23 | bonez43 | thinklin |
| 16:41.27 | chris_goe | The control operators && and || denote AND lists and OR |
| 16:41.27 | chris_goe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.47 | PingFloyd | will keep perform each pipeline between the &&s from left to right as long it evaluates true |
| 16:41.50 | chris_goe | x_link, yes |
| 16:42.00 | x_link | chris_goe: Okey. |
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| 16:42.02 | JordiGH | x_link: It means, "don't execute second expression unless first one terminates successfully." |
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| 16:42.20 | x_link | JordiGH: mm ok. |
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| 16:42.35 | karmatronic | x_link: example |
| 16:42.35 | x_link | Thanks alot guys for helping me out. It all works just great now! |
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| 16:43.21 | karmatronic | x_link: i insist , using s sudoed user if you re running a ssh server is potentially dangerous |
| 16:43.38 | karmatronic | x_link: especially if you pastebin your user ! |
| 16:43.41 | x_link | karmatronic: I didn't understand what you meant there =/ |
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| 16:43.56 | x_link | karmatronic: I shouldn't use sudo to much or what? |
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| 16:44.02 | jouke | hey, I installed dovecot from the backports, but I got a lot of these errors: fcntl(F_NOTIFY) failed: Invalid argument. Might it have something to do with it because I installed it from backports? |
| 16:44.09 | iturk | hi there is there any program for web developing like microsoft visual studio that when i open a html tab "<" i can select commands from a list ?? |
| 16:44.17 | skript | is there a text-mode partitioner available or am I forced to use fdisk only when running from command line ? |
| 16:44.36 | karmatronic | x_link: if you re running an ssh server , make sudo ask your user a password for admin operations |
| 16:44.59 | x_link | karmatronic: Okey, I don't know if I'm running an ssh server. |
| 16:45.17 | x_link | I use bash. If that's what you asked for ? |
| 16:45.22 | PingFloyd | wouldn't it just be better to use su |
| 16:45.22 | karmatronic | if you dont know , you re not |
| 16:45.22 | x_link | This is way over my league. hehe |
| 16:45.29 | x_link | karmatronic: Okey. |
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| 16:45.42 | x_link | PingFloyd: Probverly it would, I just wanted to learn this. |
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| 16:46.38 | karmatronic | PingFloyd: yeah sudo sucks |
| 16:46.59 | karmatronic | PingFloyd: or let s say it s good but not the way it s used in ubuntu |
| 16:47.10 | PingFloyd | as I understand it, the only reason for sudo is if you need to allow some users to be able to things that are normally only available to root |
| 16:47.23 | x_link | PingFloyd: Okey. |
| 16:47.28 | PingFloyd | because sharing a root password is supremely stupid |
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| 16:47.48 | petemc | PingFloyd: running a shell as root could also be considered foolish |
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| 16:48.08 | karmatronic | PingFloyd: you can do better things than that |
| 16:48.21 | petemc | PingFloyd: in fact, theres lots of valid reasons to use sudo and not su, and ubuntu and osx do the right thing, as i see it |
| 16:48.26 | karmatronic | PingFloyd: cos you can allow a set of commands to a set of users |
| 16:48.48 | x_link | What's the man pages for changing su password? |
| 16:49.01 | x_link | I have tried some different ones but I don't find any man pages for it. |
| 16:49.09 | petemc | x_link: man passwd |
| 16:49.42 | x_link | petemc: Thanks! |
| 16:50.21 | JordiGH | What's wrong with su? |
| 16:50.56 | PingFloyd | karmatronic: right, I understand that, but is there any point in using sudo if you don't need to allow users to run any sort of root only commands? |
| 16:51.38 | PingFloyd | petemc: what is foolish about running a shell as root? |
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| 16:52.16 | petemc | PingFloyd: it makes it remarkably easy to destroy your system |
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| 16:52.38 | honschu | Where is the dga extension for x.org? Is it gone? |
| 16:52.38 | speyer | so there is no way of making gmplaye able to play files via smb ? |
| 16:52.42 | speyer | mplayer does :) |
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| 16:53.18 | PingFloyd | petemc: in what way? |
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| 16:53.52 | karsten | PingFloyd: Most of them. |
| 16:53.52 | ice63 | mplayer is what i use :) |
| 16:54.01 | petemc | PingFloyd: deleting, moving, changing files, any way you can think of really, theres no safety net |
| 16:54.12 | karsten | PingFloyd: There's a concept called "principle of least privilege". |
| 16:54.34 | karsten | PingFloyd: The basic idea is that you should always do something on a computer with the least privilege required for the task. |
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| 16:55.11 | karsten | PingFloyd: That way, anything which might go wrong (malice, accident, bad code, network hack, bad input) tends to wreak minimal rather than maximal destruction. |
| 16:55.19 | n0mad | hi. what is this emacs-snapshot package ? emacs22 ? does it work savely alongside the exiting emacs install ? |
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| 16:56.23 | Kuko | just curious, Is it possible to have a background in tty |
| 16:56.30 | Kuko | Instead of just black |
| 16:56.31 | JordiGH | Speaking of Emacs, how long has it been at version 21? I think that's what it's been ever since If first saw it myself, about five years ago... |
| 16:56.45 | beterraba | hello, everyone. plz, im nb, im a windows' user n i wish to know whats the most recomendly version of linux i should use. thanks |
| 16:56.46 | JordiGH | Kuko: I think so... framebuffer stuff. |
| 16:57.16 | Kuko | I figured it would have to do with framebuffer but i have never used it i was wondeirng if anyone who has done it could help me? |
| 16:57.16 | JordiGH | beterraba: Ubuntu is a common distribution to recommend to newbies. But if you're feeling l33t, you could try Debian with us. :-) |
| 16:57.24 | ace_me | I try to setup a router with 2 nic's eth0 is on internet and eth1 on local net http://www.pastebin.ca/319659 |
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| 16:57.32 | speyer | is there anyway of getting gmplayer with smb url files support ? |
| 16:57.42 | speyer | libsmbclient ? or something like that |
| 16:57.50 | PingFloyd | isn't it the same root privileges though? |
| 16:57.58 | PingFloyd | aside from what commands are allowed |
| 16:57.59 | beterraba | JordiGH: doesnt debian need lines and lines of commands for each thing i want to do, does it? |
| 16:58.00 | honschu | Hi, how to enable DGA? just a "load "dga"" doesn't work. It doesn't find the extension. |
| 16:58.24 | ace_me | when I do ifconfig eth1 I see no IP |
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| 16:58.36 | Kuko | anyone at all? |
| 16:58.52 | PingFloyd | so if you need to cp or mv something as root, how would sudo save your ass if you screw up? |
| 16:59.00 | ix | ace_me: you're missing a line. "auto eth1" |
| 16:59.16 | ix | above the eth1 instance. |
| 16:59.30 | karsten | PingFloyd: And frankly, I disagree with the suggestion that sudo sucks or using su is better. |
| 16:59.42 | petemc | PingFloyd: it wouldnt, condition yourself to think hard about every command you suffix to sudo |
| 16:59.52 | Kuko | !framebuffer |
| 16:59.52 | dpkg | framebuffer is probably a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 16:59.55 | karsten | beterraba: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
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| 17:00.07 | karsten | beterraba: ... is something of the long answre to that question. |
| 17:00.09 | beterraba | [karsten]: ?? |
| 17:00.15 | beterraba | ok |
| 17:00.19 | PingFloyd | I think hard about any command I do as root |
| 17:00.22 | beterraba | i think i will triy debian |
| 17:00.51 | beterraba | it isnt must to be so difficult to learn how to use |
| 17:00.53 | Kuko | ugg |
| 17:00.54 | karsten | beterraba: Short answer: Debian, Ubuntu, or RH, in more or less that order, are what I'd recommend, for rather different reasons, and yes there are other alternatives. |
| 17:01.01 | karsten | Kuko: Nice boots. |
| 17:01.13 | beterraba | [karsten]: ok. |
| 17:01.17 | beterraba | thanks |
| 17:01.21 | karsten | NP |
| 17:01.22 | Kuko | hey karsten |
| 17:01.23 | beterraba | i wil try debian |
| 17:01.27 | karmatronic | karsten: and gentoo |
| 17:01.30 | Kuko | Do you know how to do it possibley -_- this is driving me nuts |
| 17:01.31 | Kuko | lol |
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| 17:01.47 | karsten | Kuko: What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:01.59 | Kuko | Backgroun in a tty i was wodnering if it was possible |
| 17:02.19 | honschu | Could someone in here please help me? I cannot find the DGA-extension for xorg (debian testing) |
| 17:02.33 | jelly | Kuko: do you only want it for eyecandy? you could run a maximized transparent term in X |
| 17:02.45 | petemc | PingFloyd: feel free to run as many root shells as you like, and run X as root too, if you like - dont bother trying to argue that its better, or good practise, or anything like that |
| 17:02.46 | karsten | beterraba: As far as lines and lines of commands: 1). There's GUIs that match anything Windows XP offers, and 2). Debian shares very nearly all its basic command set and tools (eg: the bash shell) with other Linux distros. |
| 17:03.03 | karsten | Kuko: background == background image, or background a process? |
| 17:03.07 | PingFloyd | karsten: btw, I never said sudo sucks or su is better, I said I don't see how it's any safer than su except from the standpoint of if you need to allow other users to be able to do certain sets of root commands |
| 17:03.09 | Kuko | image |
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| 17:03.37 | jelly | petemc: X is always running as root. <g> |
| 17:03.40 | PingFloyd | petemc: I'm not the one argueing that either is better practice, you are |
| 17:03.49 | karsten | PingFloyd: In a shared administrative environment, it allows partitioned access and discrete passwords, solving two very large management concerns. |
| 17:03.59 | petemc | PingFloyd: erm, im not |
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| 17:04.18 | craigevil | honschu take a look at x11proto-xf86dga |
| 17:04.33 | PingFloyd | petemc: you're the one who said running a terminal with root privileges is foolish |
| 17:04.38 | petemc | PingFloyd: it appeared as tho running a shell as root wasnt obviously a bad idea to you |
| 17:04.45 | karsten | PingFloyd: It doesn't address issues of trust (global or even large command sets imply full user trust). It does however log commands issued (so long as you trust users not to blow same away), and it caches password for access increasing convenience somewhat. |
| 17:04.49 | petemc | PingFloyd: right, and i stand by that |
| 17:05.16 | karsten | petemc: That said: i generally keep a terminal open for root to do rootly things. |
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| 17:05.29 | karsten | petemc: .. on personal systems. Not so much work. |
| 17:05.32 | honschu | craigevil: I cannot find a package named "x11proto-xf86dga" |
| 17:05.32 | jelly | karsten: sudo ftw |
| 17:05.45 | karsten | jelly: Aye. |
| 17:06.06 | jelly | karsten: but no need to run the terminal process itself under root |
| 17:06.42 | karsten | jelly: Right. |
| 17:06.51 | karsten | jelly: That sux. |
| 17:06.52 | jelly | xterm -T Mastah -e su - |
| 17:06.59 | karsten | jelly: erm ... _is_ sux ;-) |
| 17:07.08 | jelly | sux sux |
| 17:07.12 | craigevil | honschu: sorry I run Sid, try searching for libXxf86dga |
| 17:07.17 | Kuko | ;) |
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| 17:07.33 | PingFloyd | jelly: I would try avoiding any processes under root than what you have no choice |
| 17:07.46 | PingFloyd | s/avoiding/avoid running/ |
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| 17:08.25 | honschu | craigevil: Yes, I already installed it, but there is only a lib named "libXxf86dga.so.1" in /usr/lib, and when I do a 'load "dga"' in xorg.conf, it doesn't find any module. So how to activate dga? |
| 17:08.28 | jelly | PingFloyd: yeah, when you're under root better avoid those processes thrown by donky kong. |
| 17:08.41 | karsten | Kuko: There are numerous terminals which allow setting a background image. gnome / kde terminals, wterm, eterm, off the top of my head. RTFM. |
| 17:08.56 | speyer | !mplayer |
| 17:08.56 | dpkg | from memory, mplayer is in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 17:09.27 | speyer | will vlc be able to play smb urls ? |
| 17:09.44 | karmatronic | jelly how do you do that * jelly assumes Kuko thing ? |
| 17:09.57 | jelly | karmatronic: /me does things |
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| 17:10.16 | jelly | !win karmatronic |
| 17:10.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, karmatronic! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:10.28 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 17:10.54 | karmatronic | he he :) |
| 17:11.00 | karsten | jelly: in wetware. |
| 17:11.02 | cydork | kuk<tab tab> oh he left. Oh well |
| 17:11.22 | h3sp4wn | I have never needed sux - how is it different to just running su - -p in an xterm |
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| 17:12.08 | jelly | cydork: a fun thing is to run mplayer with black as colorkey, using cvidix output -- console with movie in background! |
| 17:12.25 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Possibly handling of xauth. |
| 17:12.43 | jelly | cydork: on some cards, works even with no framebuffer (in text mode) |
| 17:13.16 | karsten | h3sp4wn: If you've already imported magic cookies to your root account, you're OK and $DISPLAY is set. If not, you may get a connect error trying to run X clients. |
| 17:13.18 | h3sp4wn | karsten: I can still run graphical X apps with the above (otherwise I would just do su -) - happens almost never I want to though |
| 17:13.20 | cydork | jelly: heh :) |
| 17:13.30 | speyer | !gmplayer |
| 17:13.35 | speyer | !mplayer |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 17:13.40 | cydork | jelly: i am wondering if that can be done for bootsplash? :P |
| 17:13.46 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Go root. Clear your xauth cookies. Then try su - -p and launch, say, xlogo. |
| 17:14.05 | jelly | cydork: it would be a nice April joke to make a butterfly fly to your console, stay for a bit and fly away... just fast enough for the user to question h{is,er} sanity |
| 17:14.37 | cydork | jelly: bwahhahah |
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| 17:16.06 | jelly | also, keeping the same $HOME could leave nasty root owned files in your home |
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| 17:17.51 | HardDisk_WP | a question for openoffice...how do i insert a table of contents? |
| 17:17.57 | jelly | karsten: I had root's .Xauthority linked to mine, but lately I just use gksudo for root X stuff (= ethereal, nothing else). |
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| 17:18.24 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Just confirmed that if you do what I just said, root can't run X jobs. |
| 17:18.27 | karsten | jelly: Don't do that. |
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| 17:18.52 | karsten | jelly: You can *import* keys into root's .Xauthority if you want, but you can cause problems for both root and user if you link files. |
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| 17:19.16 | h3sp4wn | karsten: Why would you clear the xauth cookies though ? |
| 17:19.23 | jelly | karsten: I couldn't be arsed enough to automate importing the keys |
| 17:19.26 | tonyb2006 | mmm...cookie |
| 17:19.45 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Sh*t happens. |
| 17:19.51 | jelly | karsten: and, like I said, I don't do that any more, gksudo is nice and works |
| 17:19.53 | karsten | jelly: That's what sux does ;-) |
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| 17:20.09 | jelly | sux has an ugly name |
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| 17:21.12 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: Insert -> Indexes and Tables |
| 17:21.14 | h3sp4wn | karsten: there is no reason to specifically clear them though - as they are dynamically generated (I don't use .Xauthority) |
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| 17:21.36 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: -> Indexes and Tables again (sorry) |
| 17:21.46 | karsten | h3sp4wn: I'm saying that *IF* it happens, you're in a bit of a tight spot. |
| 17:21.57 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, german version dont have that i think |
| 17:21.58 | karsten | Current experience, as it happens. |
| 17:22.07 | karsten | xauth generate localhost:0 . |
| 17:22.10 | karsten | xauth: (argv):1: unable to open display "localhost:0". |
| 17:22.12 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 17:22.14 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: Eh, Indexed und Tablen? :-)) |
| 17:22.17 | jelly | Indexen |
| 17:22.36 | HardDisk_WP | hmm cant see it |
| 17:22.38 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk... |
| 17:22.41 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: this is on OO.o 2.0.4 on etch |
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| 17:22.52 | Daemonik | Nautilus has an argument --geometry. What's the proper string to use to get it at say 0 X 0 Y 1280x1024 for example? |
| 17:23.23 | rahul | export XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority, btw. |
| 17:23.28 | jelly | Daemonik: if it uses the usual Xt style argument, 1280x1024+0+0 |
| 17:23.39 | Daemonik | Thanks jelly |
| 17:24.39 | karsten | Hrm. How can I find the key used by the local X server? |
| 17:24.44 | jelly | karsten: key? |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | karsten: xauth cookie? |
| 17:24.59 | karsten | jelly: Yeah. |
| 17:25.12 | jelly | karsten: is a user logged on? |
| 17:25.26 | karsten | jelly: Yep. |
| 17:25.39 | jelly | karsten: look in his .Xauthority :-) |
| 17:25.39 | karmatronic | cat .Xauthority |
| 17:25.40 | karsten | jelly: This is a result of prior experimentation with an apparently linked .Xauthority file. |
| 17:25.41 | speyer | what do i need to be bale to extract tar.bz2 archiver ? |
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| 17:25.47 | karsten | jelly: Empty. |
| 17:25.55 | jelly | karsten: ah, you shot yourself in the foot didn't ya |
| 17:26.01 | karsten | jelly: I'm trying to fix that by generating a new key. See errors above. |
| 17:26.04 | karmatronic | speyer: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 17:26.06 | speyer | build-essential packages its installed |
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| 17:26.17 | jelly | karsten: I suggest ctrl-alt-backspace :-| |
| 17:26.20 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 17:26.24 | karsten | jelly: Heh. |
| 17:27.29 | karmatronic | karsten: man xauth |
| 17:27.37 | karsten | jelly: /proc/<PID>/cmdline: /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten TCP -auth /var/lib/wdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-7RSRtv |
| 17:27.47 | karsten | jelly: ... I think I know where to look. |
| 17:28.16 | jelly | karsten: It's probably somewhere in X process memory, good luck finding it ... the wdm key might not be working any more, btw |
| 17:28.30 | jelly | karsten: it would work if noone had logged in yet |
| 17:28.44 | karsten | fixed |
| 17:28.58 | jelly | nice |
| 17:28.59 | h3sp4wn | jelly: Never realised that -p overrides - I guess I should use another method |
| 17:30.31 | jelly | karsten: that trick doesn't work with gdm (it restarts the server after the user successfully authenticates) |
| 17:31.29 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, found it |
| 17:31.50 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, how do I create second-level-titles? |
| 17:32.15 | speyer | what the X11 dev(el) packages named ? full packages name ? |
| 17:32.29 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: no idea, it's somewhere in there. |
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| 17:33.47 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, i only know about the format template, but it doesn't appear in the toc :( |
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| 17:34.11 | karsten | jelly: Um, what trick? |
| 17:34.36 | karsten | jelly: I extracted the cookie from X's authfile (/var/lib/wdm...) and added it to the user. |
| 17:34.43 | jelly | karsten: using the cookie from gdm |
| 17:34.56 | karsten | jelly: I got the xauth file name from X itself. |
| 17:35.07 | karsten | jelly: cat cmdline | tr -s '\000' ' ' |
| 17:35.15 | Daemonik | jelly, $ nautilus --geometry=1280x1024+0+0 did not work. |
| 17:35.17 | karsten | jelly: ... from X's /proc/<PID> entry. |
| 17:35.23 | jelly | karsten: ps -fe |grep X works too, right |
| 17:35.36 | karsten | jelly: Point ;-) |
| 17:35.37 | nvz | speyer: x-dev libx11-dev and tons of others depending on what specifically you mean |
| 17:35.49 | karsten | jelly: I'm just used to digging in proc |
| 17:36.10 | karsten | jelly: Speaking of which, man 5 proc rawks. |
| 17:36.19 | speyer | nvz yeah i found it it was xorg-dev |
| 17:36.32 | karsten | jelly: My favorite /proc entry. /proc/self. |
| 17:37.08 | jelly | karsten: echo "some\nstuff\nto\grep\nfor" | grep -f /proc/self/fd/0 some-file |
| 17:37.55 | speyer | i need GTK devel packages and i couldnt find it |
| 17:38.02 | jelly | Daemonik: eh, it was an educated guess anyway |
| 17:38.18 | karsten | jelly: ?? |
| 17:38.25 | karsten | jelly: /dev/stdin BTW. |
| 17:38.43 | jelly | Daemonik: my old window manager resized the window correctly but didn't place it in the upper left corner |
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| 17:39.18 | jelly | karsten: nah, not fun (and I clear forgot about it) |
| 17:39.20 | PikAss | hi |
| 17:39.23 | student | hi |
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| 17:39.37 | rhalff | hi how to not load a module during boot in etch ? |
| 17:39.48 | student | what do u guys think about opera on nintendo wii? |
| 17:39.53 | karmatronic | rhalff: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:40.00 | PikAss | student, lol |
| 17:40.02 | jelly | student: #debian, dude |
| 17:40.07 | student | just want to get opinion from the OS scene |
| 17:40.20 | karsten | !blacklist |
| 17:40.21 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:40.24 | student | PikAss, u think it is not serious? |
| 17:40.30 | jelly | There is no scene, these are Debian fanatics |
| 17:40.31 | karsten | student: We think it's OT here. |
| 17:40.36 | Ronin | student: i think you're in the wrong channel is what we think |
| 17:40.40 | student | OS = open source |
| 17:40.49 | rhalff | karmatronic, ah great, thanks and karsten. |
| 17:40.50 | student | what does OT stand for? |
| 17:40.54 | karsten | !OT |
| 17:40.55 | dpkg | ot is, like, off topic |
| 17:40.58 | jelly | student: this is a support channel, try ##linux |
| 17:41.04 | Daemonik | jelly, Ah. It's the "desktop" part I want to be that geometry. I'm using Beryl on a 3200x1600 display and the graphics card only supports textures up to 2048x2048, I want to start two instances of Nautilus each less than 1600 pixels wide, heh. |
| 17:41.09 | PikAss | is there an Debian for Nintendo WII? |
| 17:41.27 | cahoot | what would be the point? |
| 17:41.36 | student | okay honestly i want to make a test. the topic was just pretentive. i want to put my computer to sleep, wake it, and see if it automatically reconnects to IRC |
| 17:41.37 | Ronin | cahoot: same point as one for the xbox |
| 17:41.48 | cahoot | Ronin: oh - yess |
| 17:41.49 | karsten | !ports |
| 17:41.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/, or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 17:42.01 | karsten | PikAss: What's the arch? GIYF. |
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| 17:42.19 | jelly | student: #test, then |
| 17:42.36 | nvz | student: off topic |
| 17:42.38 | student | it was not the finest manner. i hope you understand. |
| 17:42.40 | student | sorry |
| 17:42.59 | PikAss | where can i get libobrender.so.1? |
| 17:43.05 | karsten | !tell PikAss about search |
| 17:43.09 | student | okay there is enough traffic for a real-scenario-test |
| 17:43.11 | PikAss | okay |
| 17:43.19 | PikAss | thx karsten :P |
| 17:43.19 | karmatronic | student: ocol |
| 17:43.20 | student | thank you, did not know that a sandbox exists in IRC |
| 17:43.29 | jelly | me neither! |
| 17:43.34 | student | karmatronic, what does cool mean? |
| 17:44.04 | student | jelly, u see, some people even gathered knowledge from my test-question :-) |
| 17:44.15 | student | ocol = cool? |
| 17:44.25 | karsten | student: good / ok / tight / sweet / groovy |
| 17:44.26 | tonyb2006 | dpkg: poop |
| 17:44.27 | karmatronic | right |
| 17:44.34 | nvz | heh |
| 17:44.35 | student | karmatronic, what did u mean by "ocol" |
| 17:44.49 | jelly | it was a ytpo |
| 17:44.53 | student | uk |
| 17:44.56 | student | opty |
| 17:45.02 | karsten | student: Find yourself a contemporary English slang / vernacular dictionary and stop asking dumb questions. |
| 17:45.03 | student | tpyp |
| 17:45.20 | student | hey karsten, halt dein freches maul |
| 17:45.26 | student | es war ein versehen |
| 17:45.32 | student | sorry for language switching |
| 17:45.33 | jelly | !english |
| 17:45.33 | dpkg | hmm... english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 17:45.40 | student | but karsten was inpolite |
| 17:45.44 | karsten | student: Sie nicht dumb bitte. |
| 17:45.57 | karsten | student: So are tedious questions. Don't hassle the regulars. |
| 17:46.07 | jelly | student: you've been impolite since you came in, what's your excuse? |
| 17:46.41 | karmatronic | student you re not beeing very ocol |
| 17:46.56 | nvz | heh |
| 17:46.56 | student | okay, thanks to those who suggested #test as a sandbox. and to the others, enjoy your zynic thoughts "student goes to the sandbox" where he belongs |
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| 17:47.11 | student | bye |
| 17:47.26 | student | arrogant nerds |
| 17:47.31 | karmatronic | :) |
| 17:47.32 | jelly | is there a way to make a timed ignore in xchat? |
| 17:47.35 | student | ;-) |
| 17:48.03 | student | yes jelly /cmd: ignore("student") |
| 17:48.13 | rgsteele | Hm, what's the best way to force a box to give up the lease on it's IP and go retrieve a new one from the DHCP server...dhclient? |
| 17:48.13 | jelly | something like /ignore user; sleep 600; /unignore him |
| 17:48.18 | rgsteele | Or just ifdown/ifup |
| 17:48.44 | student | ok, i hope some of u at least got my humour, now it s eally time to go. bye |
| 17:48.53 | karsten | rgsteele: ifdown/ifup or ifdown / dhclient <iface> |
| 17:49.03 | karsten | innit jes'? |
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| 17:50.20 | rgsteele | Thanks karsten. |
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| 17:50.28 | rgsteele | I wasn't sure if one was preferred over the other. |
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| 17:50.41 | karsten | rgsteele: Not particularly. |
| 17:50.54 | tonyb2006 | !poop |
| 17:50.55 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 17:51.02 | karsten | rgsteele: Mind: many dhcp servers will reassign the same IP again. |
| 17:51.16 | karsten | rgsteele: You can also set the max lease time server-side, not sure about client. |
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| 17:51.31 | rgsteele | karsten: Well, it's an IP I've got statically assigned to this box... I just updated it's name in the dhcpd.conf |
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| 17:51.48 | rgsteele | And wanted to immediately be able to refer to it as such. |
| 17:51.53 | karsten | rgsteele: Use care when resetting remotely ;-) |
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| 17:52.06 | karsten | rgsteele: screen + 'ifdown;ifup' is recommended. |
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| 17:52.14 | karsten | rgsteele: ... otherwise you tend to lose the shell. |
| 17:52.40 | karsten | rgsteele: Better: bring up a secondary IP temporarially (ip alias, 2nd interface). |
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| 17:53.29 | rgsteele | screen? |
| 17:53.32 | rgsteele | Never used that before. |
| 17:53.39 | karsten | !screen |
| 17:53.39 | dpkg | hmm... screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 17:53.45 | nvz | rgsteele: you lose |
| 17:54.00 | karsten | rgsteele: bigtime. |
| 17:54.05 | rgsteele | bah, I use WinTabber. |
| 17:54.08 | karsten | rgsteele: Screen is an absolute essential. |
| 17:54.13 | karsten | rgsteele: You still lose. |
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| 17:54.30 | karsten | rgsteele: screen works remotely, persists across SSH sessions, etc. |
| 17:54.38 | karsten | rgsteele: ... or at console if you're stuck w/o X. |
| 17:54.40 | rgsteele | Besides, all I have to do is set the timeout interval in PuTTY, no? |
| 17:54.58 | karsten | rgsteele: Depends. |
| 17:55.14 | karsten | rgsteele: ... if you're planning on coming up at the same IP, and not losing the TCP session, sure. |
| 17:55.22 | karsten | rgsteele: TCP is *NOT* stateless, however. |
| 17:55.22 | nvz | all you really have to do is learn to use screen |
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| 17:55.33 | nvz | otherwise you lose |
| 17:55.42 | rgsteele | Yep, that's the plan karsten. And I'm well aware of the statefulness of TCP. Seems to work for me, both on internal boxes and out to the colo cluster. |
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| 17:55.52 | jelly | nested screens ftw |
| 17:56.21 | karsten | jelly: nested screens for the C-A mass confusion. |
| 17:56.23 | nvz | I dont nest my screens but whatever pulls your bandwagon, I always say |
| 17:56.39 | jelly | karsten: alternate esc.char ftw |
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| 17:57.27 | jelly | karsten: "Give me an ssh to this set of similar hosts, and reconnect to screens on them" |
| 17:57.28 | rgsteele | Well, I've been able to get by up to this point just fine with an extended timeout interval in PuTTY and WinTabber to manage all of my PuTTY windows, when I'm at work on the XP desktop. |
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| 17:59.23 | nvz | rgsteele: yes but screen will let you multi-attach terminals at home and at work, and you when you leave and go elsewhere reattach and pickup where you left off psuedoterminals never have to die because they arent attached to a physical one, you have a copy/paste and scrollback buffer with search capabilities, ability to configure key bindings..etc ..etc |
| 18:00.04 | nvz | bottom line is anyone who ever uses a terminal with a shell of any kind ever and doesnt know about screen loses |
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| 18:00.17 | rhalff | hm karmatronic or karsten, I don't have a /etc/discover.conf or /etc/hotplug/blacklist file, I've added the module sata_mv to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and used update-initramfs, then rebooted, but the sata_mv module is still loaded.. |
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| 18:00.49 | humbolto | how do I make etch to create certain devs on bootup? |
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| 18:01.08 | [47] | hi, is there possible to do this, i have maschine with more then on public ip, is it possible to set max monthly traffic per public ip (each ip is new VPS) |
| 18:01.18 | humbolto | if I create them by hand with mknod, will the be there after restart? |
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| 18:02.06 | smimp | anyone using openbox? anything better than obconf to help manage things such as keybindings? |
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| 18:02.39 | nvz | there is no such thing as keybindings like sawfish keybindings.. I rest my case |
| 18:03.42 | smimp | sure there are.. i just don't want to hand modify the rc.xml file |
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| 18:04.38 | nvz | so openbox will let you bind the exact same key/mouse strokes to different actions/commands based on context? |
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| 18:05.26 | jelly | xml if fucking unreadable |
| 18:05.32 | jelly | s/if/is/ |
| 18:05.43 | nvz | jelly: to make it complicated obviously |
| 18:05.59 | x_link | "x_link, debian etch is the unstable version of devian and this is for unstable debian |
| 18:06.07 | x_link | Is that true? |
| 18:06.17 | jelly | x_link: mostly no |
| 18:06.20 | x_link | OKey |
| 18:06.21 | bsdboy | how is XML unreadable? |
| 18:06.25 | smimp | <keybind key="A-F5"><action name="UnmaximizeFull"/></keybind> .. looks like its just window manager commands, though there are stubs for applications in the config file |
| 18:06.44 | jelly | bsdboy: very. |
| 18:06.56 | x_link | jelly: The thing is this.. I use Beryl and I need a repo for it. But the repo has the letters Sid and Unstable in it. So I'm afraid that it will change my Etch to Unstable. |
| 18:06.58 | bsdboy | eh.. It's pretty easy, you just have to have the right mindset. |
| 18:07.00 | x_link | Will it do that? |
| 18:07.18 | x_link | It's written unstable and sid in two different places in the repo. |
| 18:07.23 | x_link | Will that change my debian version? |
| 18:07.23 | cahoot | x_link: never mix |
| 18:07.28 | jelly | bsdboy: exactly. Requiring a specific mindset = unreadable |
| 18:07.34 | x_link | cahoot: Okey, cause I don't find any repo for Etch. |
| 18:08.14 | jelly | bsdboy: I can read RPN if needed, doesn't make the process easy or the syntax readable. |
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| 18:09.15 | rgsteele | Weird. I have this crappy little NAS that I tzconfig'ed to use New_York as the time zone, and it's got AM and PM inverted |
| 18:09.27 | nvz | smimp: sawfish allows combinations of key and mouse gestures like Mod-Button3-Release2 and allows them to be bound to different commands based on the context in which they are used. If openbox can do that then I got virtually no reason to be using sawfish anymore and am about to write a config fronend for it similar to sawfish-ui but somehow I think its got one dimensional bindings like most all other wms |
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| 18:10.13 | [47] | hi, can be traffic limit seted per each public ip that pc has? |
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| 18:10.48 | smimp | nvz: i'm looking for docs on the xml now.. i'm guessing you're right though |
| 18:11.23 | smimp | nvz: what are some examples of the sawfish contexts? |
| 18:12.01 | nvz | smimp: global, window, title, close, border, minimize, maximize.. basically context is where the mouse pointer is at the time |
| 18:12.04 | Supaplex | [47]: you can use iptables for accounting, or if it's just http, use the server logs for accounting, and you can either use iptables, or apache configuration to limit/deny further traffic. |
| 18:12.25 | x_link | http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/debian-unstable/beryl-svn/ |
| 18:12.35 | x_link | So I should NOT put that as my Beryl repo? |
| 18:12.37 | nvz | smimp: most window managers only allow global context bindings |
| 18:12.55 | nvz | smimp: which dont include mouse gestures |
| 18:13.25 | smimp | nvz: http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php?page=details.html |
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| 18:13.47 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 18:13.59 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 18:14.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:14.01 | jelly | x_link: adding a separate repo designated "unstable" will only pull unstable packages from that repo, other packages will be left as configured previously |
| 18:14.47 | jjazz | x_link: It depends what's in that repo. But if the rest of your box is using testing, most people would tell you not to mix in unstable packages |
| 18:14.49 | rgsteele | Hm, anybody know what environment variable determines military time vs. standard time? |
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| 18:14.58 | Supaplex | x_link: the url you provided us is regular everyday webpage. The page here says to use "deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb debian-unstable beryl-svn" at your own peril. |
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| 18:15.12 | rahul | jjazz: better to mix only a few unstable packages than have all unstable |
| 18:15.26 | jelly | rahul: better not to mix any. |
| 18:15.40 | rahul | sometimes, you need a newer version. |
| 18:15.54 | jjazz | rahul: Agreed. That's why I said "most people". I don't think a couple unstable packages is a crime. Then again, I don't want to have to support x_link if it all goes kablooey. |
| 18:16.07 | jelly | rahul: Frankly I doubt beryl-svn is in the "need to have" section. |
| 18:16.15 | rahul | jelly: haha, well. fair enough :) |
| 18:16.26 | jjazz | rahul: Given that he doesn't seem to really get the repo system, I'd say he's not a candidate for mixing unstable with Etch. |
| 18:16.41 | rahul | jjazz: yeah, it's not really for newbies |
| 18:16.51 | nvz | smimp: hmm I always knew OB was the closest thing.. I just didnt know it had 3d bindings like that.. its about time someone given easy access to those features like sawfish-ui does.. I am gonna have to read the docs on that further.. if it does matched windows like sawfish too, I am switching :P |
| 18:16.53 | x_link | Okey okey.. |
| 18:17.00 | x_link | Damn it.. I don't know which repo to use for Beryl then. |
| 18:17.07 | jjazz | rahul: Besides, as Jelly says, nobody *needs* beryl. It's a toy. |
| 18:17.09 | x_link | Everybody in the Beryl channel tells me to use that one. |
| 18:17.18 | x_link | I used it before and it didn't change my version. |
| 18:17.22 | x_link | But I'm afraid it will. |
| 18:17.23 | craigevil | Why is running Sid so bad? In two years of running it I have yet to have anything major break, or at least nothing that couldn't be fixed |
| 18:17.28 | jelly | x_link: if those packages are well made, they might work. They are, however, from a 3rd party, so it's anyone's guess what they'll do to your system. |
| 18:17.36 | smimp | nvz: i'm just messing around with it.. someone suggested it to me last night :) |
| 18:17.40 | rahul | craigevil: you have to know how to fix things without them being working |
| 18:17.53 | rahul | craigevil: a newbie wouldn't know how to fix apt if it broke, very likely |
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| 18:18.07 | jelly | craigevil: never lost libc.so.6 or has perl unworking? |
| 18:18.09 | rahul | craigevil: especially if it also screwed up his irc client at the same time :) |
| 18:18.13 | x_link | jelly: Okey. |
| 18:18.17 | rahul | broken perl is fun :\ |
| 18:18.42 | jelly | rahul: nah, deleted libc is more fun! |
| 18:18.50 | rahul | haha |
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| 18:19.19 | fozze | anyone know where the default emacs load path is? |
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| 18:19.35 | jelly | rahul: statically compiled shells with everything help (see sash for an example) |
| 18:19.40 | x_link | deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ then I iwll use that repol |
| 18:19.50 | craigevil | x_link: if your wanting beryl a very nice repo at least for a Sid system can be found at http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-210.html |
| 18:19.57 | Flimzy | Is there a good default location to put subversion repositories on the filesystem? Or is that something I should make up? |
| 18:20.05 | jjazz | fozze: /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp, I think |
| 18:20.19 | rahul | jelly: of course |
| 18:20.21 | nvz | smimp: yeah well I been a sawfish user since way back when it was still activly maintained by someone who could actually read the language it was written in.. heh and up till now I havent found anything that even came close to its features.. when OB came out I gave it a 1 day test run but couldnt get it to do what I wanted. apperently it has the infrastructre to do it, just needs to be more user friendly.. and XML is not user friendly.. it may |
| 18:20.31 | jjazz | craigevil: He's running Etch. |
| 18:20.31 | x_link | craigevil: Should I put that in my sources.list? |
| 18:20.34 | x_link | ahh it was an url. |
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| 18:20.35 | mick0 | www.freepenguin.135.it |
| 18:21.22 | x_link | craigevil: Just for Sid and unstable. Ther wasn't anything for Debian Etch. |
| 18:21.23 | jelly | www.spammityspam.tk |
| 18:21.33 | jjazz | x_link: You don't need beryl. Install fluxbox and take some acid. |
| 18:21.41 | x_link | jjazz: lol |
| 18:21.48 | x_link | I don't like fluxbox. |
| 18:21.49 | fozze | jjazz: thanks |
| 18:21.51 | craigevil | x_link: read the thread, there a couple of different repos, personally beryly is a waste of cpu and ram |
| 18:21.59 | jjazz | fozze: np |
| 18:22.05 | jelly | craigevil: cpu? |
| 18:22.08 | x_link | craigevil: I know, but I like it. Fun for a newbie like me =) |
| 18:22.09 | h3sp4wn | x_link: or just compile beryl svn it should have a debian/ directory already |
| 18:22.16 | smimp | how do the different subsections of debian interact.. i know it goes unstable, testing and then stable right? if you add certain unstable sites to your apt, what effect will it have if you install apps from there... will it just upgrade packages as needed? will it throw errors if those packages arent available from your stable repositories? |
| 18:22.20 | x_link | h3sp4wn: What? |
| 18:22.44 | craigevil | mixing repos is never a good idea |
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| 18:23.17 | x_link | craigevil: OKey.... |
| 18:23.25 | x_link | I have asked and googled everywehre. |
| 18:23.28 | nvz | smimp: if you mix repos without pinning you are effectivly upgrading to that distro and risking breakage if you dont to a full upgrade, which can still break things if the software has bugs |
| 18:23.32 | x_link | Don't find anything abour repos for DEbian Etch. |
| 18:23.51 | x_link | craigevil: deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ Found that one, but don't know if it's any good. |
| 18:23.56 | blondie | jelly: disgusting |
| 18:24.01 | nvz | smimp: not to mention mixing invalidates all bug reports you file and support you seek because we havent tested it that way and dont care to try make it work that way |
| 18:24.08 | craigevil | edge packages ? ick |
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| 18:24.15 | jelly | blondie: heh heh heh |
| 18:24.17 | smimp | nvz: gotcha :) |
| 18:25.13 | nvz | smimp: sadly it doesnt seem like OB can match windows like sawfish so I am sticking with sawfish.. but it does have good bindings and it really needs a good frontend for grabbing the key/mouse and programming the actions |
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| 18:27.31 | nvz | smimp: people who make xml configs like that and dont make a frontend must think that configuration is a one stop shop of static proportions.. when in reality customization is dynamic and is something users want to do on the fly.. I decide I need a new keybinding I want to just press it and assign an action and move on. |
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| 18:29.22 | Supaplex | patches welcome :-) |
| 18:29.32 | nvz | I have a keybinding to add bindings in my wm :P |
| 18:29.51 | nvz | that shows how often I change my config |
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| 18:30.07 | nvz | and I've never even seen my damn config file |
| 18:31.04 | nvz | which is a good thing too cause its worse than xml.. its in some kind of lisp/scheme format |
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| 18:34.29 | PingFloyd | yeah, it makes more sense to bind them on the fly like you mentioned |
| 18:34.57 | nvz | hence why I use an outdated wm simply because it's features are unmached |
| 18:35.00 | PingFloyd | it can get old real fast having to go back and forth between editing a config file over and over |
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| 18:35.24 | PingFloyd | I've started using icewm |
| 18:35.46 | nvz | eww I could never use fvwm,qvwm,fvwm95,or icewm |
| 18:36.01 | PingFloyd | I was using fluxbox and blackbox for awhile |
| 18:36.07 | nvz | looks too much like windows with more obfusticated configuration methods |
| 18:36.20 | PingFloyd | I got to the point where I decided screw configuring a wm |
| 18:36.26 | nvz | heh |
| 18:36.28 | PingFloyd | I'll just find one with good defaults |
| 18:36.32 | PingFloyd | and call it a day |
| 18:36.36 | nvz | you never seen sawfish-ui then |
| 18:36.38 | rahul | nvz: the reason why you can modify the config on the fly and make it persistent easily is because it's in a lisp |
| 18:36.43 | PingFloyd | and use a console for as much as I can :) |
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| 18:37.13 | geo-rge | what's the etch package for pg-7.4.x dev files? |
| 18:37.19 | nvz | rahul: yeah I guess you are right. however people that can understand that shit are sparse.. |
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| 18:37.27 | Danielss89 | hi.. |
| 18:37.30 | nvz | rahul: sawfish needs a big overhaul |
| 18:37.31 | rahul | nvz: really? |
| 18:37.32 | Danielss89 | how can i see cronjobs log? |
| 18:37.34 | PingFloyd | It drove me nuts how I would spend all this time getting familiar with a wm and get it all nice and tweaked to discover a deficiency that drove me nuts |
| 18:37.35 | smimp | nvz: yuck |
| 18:37.43 | Danielss89 | or where can i find a cronjob log |
| 18:37.47 | nvz | rahul: apperently.. either that or nobody gives a shit about the greatest wm ever anymore |
| 18:37.51 | rahul | nvz: I dunno, there are plenty of people who can understand lisp... |
| 18:38.05 | rahul | nvz: eh, it's in a proprietary lisp. that's the issue. |
| 18:38.18 | nvz | rahul: sawfish fails to recognise and conform to modern desktop standards |
| 18:38.18 | geo-rge | nobody gives a shit about fvwm2??! |
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| 18:38.57 | rahul | nvz: it's got all these wacky syntactic addons that are strangely different from both lisp and scheme |
| 18:39.17 | rahul | nvz: while providing nothing in addition to what lisp provides |
| 18:39.18 | PingFloyd | fvwm2 is great, but it's too much work :) |
| 18:39.26 | PingFloyd | to get how you're happy with |
| 18:39.42 | rahul | it's too hard to find config options in fvwm2 |
| 18:39.47 | nvz | rahul: well then like I said it needs an overhaul.. or a rewrite in a language people are familiar with.. a common lisp so to speak |
| 18:39.49 | grendal_prime | i need to open a 2 gig text file...I just need to see like the top 20 lines of text. |
| 18:39.50 | rahul | customize rules :) |
| 18:39.59 | rahul | nvz: heh, so to speak :) |
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| 18:40.06 | grendal_prime | can i do that with like nano...with a switch. |
| 18:40.10 | rahul | nvz: there are 2 WMs written in CL, I think |
| 18:40.33 | PingFloyd | trying to get a wm to work just right ends up becoming a never ending obsession |
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| 18:40.33 | rahul | grendal_prime: "see"? use head |
| 18:40.33 | jelly | grendal_prime: head -20 file |
| 18:40.33 | geo-rge | grendal_prime: head -20? |
| 18:40.34 | wakejagr | PingFloyd: if you want to take "screw using a wm" to the next level, ratpoison is great |
| 18:40.39 | grendal_prime | cool thanks |
| 18:40.41 | bush | eh, i alwasy liked KDE, just had to strip it down and learn all the keyboard shortcuts |
| 18:40.44 | nvz | rahul: yeah I didnt mean CL specifically but more so a lisp that is understood commonly |
| 18:40.55 | PingFloyd | wakejagr: yeah, I have that on here, just need to get used to it:) |
| 18:41.03 | rahul | nvz: CL is understood commonly because it's used in the industry |
| 18:41.04 | geo-rge | grendal_prime: there are other little proggys like head |
| 18:41.13 | PingFloyd | I kind of like it, but I think it's devs kind of go to bit of an extreme |
| 18:41.29 | jelly | grendal_prime: a pager like less would probably have worked too. |
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| 18:41.42 | nvz | rahul: but you are one of the few people who could appreciate my love for sawfish.. you are a parenthesis loving config whore just like me |
| 18:41.50 | rahul | heh |
| 18:41.55 | wakejagr | true, ratpoison doesn't compromise. it's really *no* mouse |
| 18:41.59 | rahul | I love the parens because I can't see them :) |
| 18:42.10 | PingFloyd | my only issue with ratpoison is it's anti-mouse attitude |
| 18:42.11 | geo-rge | why not? |
| 18:42.19 | PingFloyd | so things need a mouse |
| 18:42.29 | geo-rge | my cat is antimouse |
| 18:42.30 | jelly | nvz: sawfish? your eating habits are not our concern |
| 18:42.34 | rahul | nvz: it's more about being dynamic, so you can change the code and add functionality on the fly |
| 18:42.48 | PingFloyd | it's funny that I would say that, because I'm rather anti-gui |
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| 18:43.02 | PingFloyd | but there are certain things that gui is a must have |
| 18:43.03 | rahul | PingFloyd: CLIs can be graphical and use a mouse |
| 18:43.05 | PingFloyd | like graphic work |
| 18:43.11 | rahul | heh |
| 18:43.14 | rahul | well duh :P |
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| 18:43.29 | rahul | (actually, I do plenty of graphics work using text) |
| 18:44.16 | wakejagr | i really like using the gimp w/ ratpoison. i don't have to worry about any mouse movements/clicks changing my focus or moving windows, etc |
| 18:44.16 | nvz | rahul: yeah this is why I cant understand lisp.. my programming knowledge is static and single threaded.. lisp is one of those things that basically defines itself I go searching for the meaning of self defined fuctionality and end up running around in a circle with nothing to grasp on to as far as understanding |
| 18:44.22 | h3sp4wn | ratpoison is pretty good (especially as the keybindings are just obvious if you have used screen_ |
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| 18:44.42 | geo-rge | nvz: lisp is VERY simple... it has NO syntax |
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| 18:45.02 | rahul | nvz: well, it's just about defining interactions... I dunno :P |
| 18:45.07 | nvz | geo-rge: heh, yeah its confusing.. you have to define everything.. including things like syntax |
| 18:45.09 | wakejagr | so far, my only complaint about ratpoison is that cgoban crashes it |
| 18:45.11 | rahul | nvz: it's like your config. it evolves. |
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| 18:45.48 | nvz | rahul: yep.. I dont know where to base my understanding because it has not logical beginning or end |
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| 18:46.10 | rahul | nvz: well, you learn the language and then the code you define interacts with that |
| 18:46.17 | karmatronic | nvz: cgoban ? |
| 18:46.44 | nvz | karmatronic: no idea what you are talking about |
| 18:47.09 | karmatronic | nvz: sorry :) |
| 18:47.20 | wakejagr | cgoban is to go as xboard is to chess |
| 18:47.22 | karmatronic | nvz: got messed with all those screens |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | BOO! |
| 18:47.34 | karmatronic | hi abrotman |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | ACK! |
| 18:47.45 | nvz | i am not familiar with "go" |
| 18:47.46 | rahul | eek, it's a bread man |
| 18:47.54 | rahul | nvz: it's the new chess |
| 18:48.01 | nvz | a brother man even |
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| 18:48.06 | nvz | there is a new chess? |
| 18:48.13 | rahul | nvz: simpler rules, more complex gameplay |
| 18:48.20 | Supaplex | nvz, yea, it's called lisp |
| 18:48.21 | rahul | VERY difficult for AIs |
| 18:48.24 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 18:48.26 | rahul | heh |
| 18:48.34 | nvz | all this time I've been playing chess and there its outdated eh? |
| 18:48.36 | karmatronic | wakejagr: thought it was like sokoban |
| 18:48.42 | karmatronic | wakejagr: sokoban s cool |
| 18:48.47 | PingFloyd | chess will never be outdated |
| 18:48.53 | rahul | sbcl was forked because the developer wanted to write go AIs |
| 18:48.56 | rahul | chess has been solved. |
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| 18:49.08 | rahul | (not really, actually. they cheated) |
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| 18:50.47 | earthian | hello, how do I deny any access to some particular host or domain name? |
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| 18:50.58 | nvz | I'll have to look into this "go" thing sometime |
| 18:51.03 | karmatronic | earthian: precise context... |
| 18:51.36 | nvz | right now I think I'll go look into the refridgerator.. |
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| 18:51.52 | earthian | for example I could write something like example.com 127.0.0.1 in hosts file in windows and the domain name example.com would be denied locally so nobody from my computer could access the real content |
| 18:52.13 | earthian | how do i do it in debian? |
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| 18:52.27 | lindenle | earthian: /etc/hosts |
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| 18:52.41 | karmatronic | earthian: well you just said it |
| 18:52.42 | earthian | i have put 127.0.0.1 example.com in /etc/hosts however it seem to let it go |
| 18:52.44 | jelly | earthian: there is more than one way to do it. |
| 18:52.49 | lindenle | earthian: and make sure files is first dns oprtion in /etc/nsswitch |
| 18:52.55 | jelly | earthian: are you using a http proxy? |
| 18:53.03 | earthian | no |
| 18:53.13 | karmatronic | earthian: /etc/hosts.deny |
| 18:53.24 | rahul | earthian: uh, there are better ways |
| 18:53.32 | earthian | like? |
| 18:53.36 | rahul | earthian: if you want to block just the IP |
| 18:53.39 | jelly | earthian: and are you trying to access a service on "example.com", or is it maybe "www.example.com" that works? |
| 18:53.40 | Danielss89 | im trying to setup a crontab for pisg(IRc log analyzer)... im doing 0 * * * * /usr/share/pisg/pisg --silent <-- but nothing happends... |
| 18:53.44 | x_link | What is the command to see which version of Debian you use? |
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| 18:53.54 | x_link | I want to see to that this repos haven't changed my versio. |
| 18:54.02 | x_link | version. |
| 18:54.12 | earthian | jelly, there is a program that tries to access host.example.com host |
| 18:54.28 | earthian | i want to deny that program from accessing that domain |
| 18:54.51 | rahul | ip route add blackhole x.x.x.x/x |
| 18:54.54 | jelly | earthian: and adding 127.0.0.1 host.example.com to /etc/hosts doesn't work? |
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| 18:55.16 | geo-rge | !info postgresql-dev etch |
| 18:55.22 | earthian | jelly, i added 127.0.0.1 examle.com which does not work |
| 18:55.24 | dpkg | postgresql-dev: (development files for libpq (transitional package)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 7.5.22 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 18:55.28 | rahul | earthian: connections are not made to DNS names, tho. blocking DNS may not be enough if it accesses via IP. |
| 18:55.33 | jelly | earthian: of course it does not work. |
| 18:55.44 | rahul | earthian: you said it accesses host.example.com, not example.com |
| 18:55.46 | jelly | earthian: host.example.com is not the same as example.com. |
| 18:55.54 | earthian | ok i get it |
| 18:55.55 | earthian | thanks |
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| 18:56.41 | geo-rge | is there not a postgresql-dev for pg-7.4? |
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| 18:56.44 | BobJenson | hi .. |
| 18:56.54 | BobJenson | does debian configure acpi events for laptops automatically ? |
| 18:57.03 | BobJenson | like hibernate, suspend etc ? |
| 18:57.09 | RvGaTe | This is really strange... i have a Terratec Sixpack 5.1+ soundcard, and a Logitec USB Headset... so 2 audio devices... when i boot into debian, i can only use the headset as a sound device... then, when i do alsaconf, the terratec gets detected and i can use it... but then my usb headset dissapears, and i need to re-plug it in before i can use it again... :S how can i make sure both audio devices will work whenever i boot my system? |
| 18:57.22 | karmatronic | earthian: you want to block to dns hosts , or depending on the application ? |
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| 18:57.31 | BobJenson | and does it configure hotkeys like volume and such ? |
| 18:57.41 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: is the module for the tarratec sound card being loaded? |
| 18:57.55 | jelly | earthian: for a friendly approach to blocking access per app. and other firewall issues, take a look at tuxguardian. http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:58.07 | earthian | thanks all seems that host.example.com in hosts file solved the problem |
| 18:58.16 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, no idea, but i guess it does that with alsaconf |
| 18:58.21 | earthian | jelly, will take a look. |
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| 18:58.41 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, i didn't do an alsaconf yet, so let me look |
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| 18:58.59 | geo-rge | !depstgresql-dev etch |
| 18:59.00 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: so you need to add the module to /etc/modules so it gets loaded on boot. The module for the usb headset should be loaded afterwards |
| 18:59.12 | geo-rge | !dep postgresql-dev etch |
| 18:59.20 | geo-rge | !deps postgresql-dev etch |
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| 19:00.21 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, what modules are we talking about ? |
| 19:00.23 | mikefoo | Ok need some help with software raid. occasionally when we have a power failure, upon reboot our servers kernel panic. I have /boot and / software raided across 4 drives. if I use rescure cd to boot, what should I do? I dont think I can access /dev/mdX within rescue cd. Anyone have the slighest idea? |
| 19:00.43 | cydork | geo-rge: depends |
| 19:01.17 | geo-rge | cydork: finally got it |
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| 19:01.47 | geo-rge | but what happened to the -dev parts of pg-7.4? |
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| 19:03.08 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: You may try something like echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (or whatever is used for the headset) |
| 19:03.35 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: (that works for me - snd-hda-intel is onboard and I have an envy24 card) |
| 19:03.37 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: like postgresql-server-dev-7.4? |
| 19:03.51 | geo-rge | oh, maybe that's it :) |
| 19:04.10 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, ehmm? you confusing me |
| 19:04.15 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, what do i type? |
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| 19:06.11 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: alternatively, you want libpq-dev or similar. |
| 19:06.27 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: yeah, the versioned one tho |
| 19:06.33 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: If something has a negative index then alsa will not initialise it as card0 (you want that to be the terratec right ?) |
| 19:06.48 | geo-rge | otherwise it's at 7.5.something |
| 19:06.55 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: there's no point in the versioned one since they all go to the same API |
| 19:07.01 | dondelelcaro | the client library hasn't changed |
| 19:07.03 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: (that presumes you know what driver the headset is - replace snd-hda-intel with what it is) |
| 19:07.19 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're using libpq5) |
| 19:07.32 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, i dont really care what 0 or 1 is... as long as both are working, but i have no idea what to type in the console... and where to replace stuff, you need to be a bit more precise... |
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| 19:07.39 | geo-rge | I don't think so |
| 19:08.39 | dondelelcaro | (and if you really want the old libpq-dev, it's on s.d.n) |
| 19:09.09 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, if i do alsaconf, the terratec works, but the headset dissapears, but if i plugin the headset again, both will work... then, when i reboot, it gets fucked again... |
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| 19:13.18 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: if you want multiple cards don't use alsaconf |
| 19:13.48 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: find out what driver the other card uses (will be snd-something) |
| 19:14.32 | h3sp4wn | (in lsmod) - add a line like `options snd-hda-intel index=-2' to the bottom of it |
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| 19:16.34 | strubi | hello, i'm looking for a way to notify root when someone makes a login. does anyoe know how this can be handeld? |
| 19:17.39 | jelly | strubi: does anything gets logged anywhere "when someone makes a login"? |
| 19:17.44 | jelly | s/gets/get/ |
| 19:18.00 | strubi | jelly to the syslogs as far as i know |
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| 19:18.13 | sepski | strubi, tail -f var/log/auth.log |
| 19:18.18 | jelly | strubi: there's your event. |
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| 19:18.36 | strubi | jelly exact, in auth.log they are all registered |
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| 19:19.49 | jelly | strubi: so create a "tailer" deamon that watches for new lines in the log matching what you need, and execute something based on that. |
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| 19:20.59 | strubi | jelly with tailer damon you mean something that tails auth.log all the time and notifys with "write" if changes happen? |
| 19:21.01 | jelly | strubi: notifies with whatever you want, yes. |
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| 19:24.29 | jelly | strubi: also, there is syslog-ng, which is a powerful syslogd replacement that can help here |
| 19:24.48 | strubi | jelly i use syslog-ng but how could this help? |
| 19:25.39 | jelly | strubi: it can do its own filtering, right? |
| 19:26.01 | strubi | jelly, yes right. |
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| 19:27.08 | jelly | strubi: I haven't used it, but I guess it can feed only the lines you need into a pipe or to an app, making your notifier a bit more simple. |
| 19:27.34 | strubi | jelly i just found a library called libnotify, maybe this can help aswell |
| 19:27.40 | tuxedup | has anyone tried those ethernet over power socket wireless kits? If so did you require special drivers? |
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| 19:29.27 | jelly | strubi: I'm going away now, sorry. Hope you figure it out |
| 19:29.40 | strubi | jelly, thank you very much. |
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| 19:30.00 | strubi | Z wie meinst du das? |
| 19:30.19 | strubi | eine ausgabe wie z.b. write? |
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| 19:32.12 | cyberix | How can I make aptitude forget all selections? |
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| 19:33.11 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: forget-new will do it for most packages, but having it forget your selections is in general not what you want to do. |
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| 19:33.47 | cyberix | I selected some random packages for deleting and now I want to unselect them. |
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| 19:34.28 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: so search for packages marked for removal and mark them as installed |
| 19:35.28 | cyberix | dondelelcaro: How? |
| 19:35.53 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: by using the search pattern for packages which are marked for removal with the installed command. |
| 19:35.56 | dondelelcaro | s/installed/install/ |
| 19:36.41 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: read the "Search Patterns" section of the aptitude manual. |
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| 19:37.08 | th0ger | What is the name of the command to switch between VC's (as ctrl-alt-Fn does)? |
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| 19:37.46 | dkr | alt-Fn |
| 19:37.47 | cyberix | Now. I managed to also select all new packages for installation. |
| 19:38.00 | cyberix | Do you see the need for the feature yet? ;-) |
| 19:38.16 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: the feature exists, you just haven't bothered to read the aptitude manual. |
| 19:38.32 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: if you're totally lost, just use aptitude keep-all; |
| 19:38.42 | cyberix | In fact I did bother. |
| 19:38.51 | dondelelcaro | cyberix: not the man page. The manual. |
| 19:39.37 | th0ger | dkr: sure, but its ctrl-alt-Fn if you're on X |
| 19:40.05 | dkr | th0ger: you probably need to rephrase your question if you already knew that, then. :) |
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| 19:40.35 | th0ger | dkr: I asked for the _command_ not the keystroke :) |
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| 19:41.23 | dkr | th0ger: like an ioctl to use from a program you are writing? |
| 19:41.56 | dondelelcaro | th0ger: it's chvt |
| 19:42.02 | dondelelcaro | th0ger: apropos is your friend |
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| 19:42.11 | dkr | ah |
| 19:42.48 | th0ger | dondelelcaro: thanks :-) |
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| 19:47.57 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:48.08 | Gnurdux | hey |
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| 19:48.58 | stranger_stone | i'm sorry the question but ... i have sound problems in debian etch :| i type dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base chose alsa and then type alsaconf and everything works fine but after i make one reboot everything goes to the same ... and don`t have sound again |
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| 19:49.05 | stranger_stone | someone knows how can i resolve this? :\ |
| 19:49.34 | vanisher | anyone having an intel 2915ABG NIC working with WPA? |
| 19:49.38 | strubi | does anyone know if there is a more confortable way of chatting in a linux console than using talk? |
| 19:50.28 | stranger_stone | strubi i use xchat exist now xchat-gnome and tkirc2 chatzilla and others |
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| 19:50.55 | strubi | stranger_stone but those are all gui applications, i was looking for one which works in a simple shell |
| 19:51.06 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out if Debian blocks outgoing connections?? |
| 19:51.25 | Ronin | HardDisk_WP: why would it? |
| 19:51.25 | Ronin | strubi: irssi? |
| 19:51.35 | HardDisk_WP | Ronin, aMule fails to connect, always connection lost |
| 19:51.43 | strubi | Ronin can irssi be used without irc server? |
| 19:51.45 | HardDisk_WP | on windows i can perfectly fileshare |
| 19:51.50 | stranger_stone | strubi you got bitchx |
| 19:52.00 | strubi | stranger_stone yes |
| 19:52.04 | Ronin | strubi: no but then neither can xchat, you mean talk to other users logged onto teh box? |
| 19:52.05 | stranger_stone | ircii ... |
| 19:52.07 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: 1) you don't need to use alsaconf 2) you're not loading the right module. |
| 19:52.31 | dondelelcaro | (finally, linux-sound-base is not required) |
| 19:52.38 | strubi | Ronin yes, i'm using talk at the moment, but looking for one which can at least display different character sets |
| 19:52.42 | Ronin | HardDisk_WP: id compare teh way amule is set up on both |
| 19:52.50 | strubi | Ronin or at least history scrolling |
| 19:52.57 | HardDisk_WP | Ronin, on win i run eMule w/ same settings |
| 19:53.05 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro well around here say that the module are load and i have the correct sound i bealiver is because the linux reconize the 2 sound cards .... i have from the motherboard and the other pci |
| 19:53.06 | Ronin | theres gtalk |
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| 19:53.17 | stranger_stone | because after i do this i have the correct sound |
| 19:53.21 | strubi | Ronin gtalk, is it a gnome application |
| 19:53.21 | Ronin | ktalkd, apt-cache search talk |
| 19:53.41 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: they're loaded when it's working, but are they loaded when you've booted? Are you using udev or do you have them in /etc/modules? |
| 19:53.43 | strubi | ktalkd is not a kde application is it? |
| 19:54.25 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro i really don`t know do you have any idea? :\ |
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| 19:55.11 | MeteBond | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> I Need that library installed ! What should i do ? |
| 19:55.11 | stranger_stone | 1º time i have linux sound problem i remember :X |
| 19:55.11 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: um... it's your machine... you should know what type of sound card they are and which modules they require |
| 19:55.47 | karsten | OT: do any other regulars get the odd /msg request from people to help with nick issues, or is it just me? |
| 19:55.49 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro and do you know how can i do this? |
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| 19:56.43 | stranger_stone | i think this strange because the sound cames after the configuration but after the boot need to make every configuration again :\ |
| 19:56.51 | HardDisk_WP | MeteBond, sudo apt-get install libstdc++ |
| 19:56.55 | HardDisk_WP | !libstdc++ |
| 19:56.59 | HardDisk_WP | !libstdc++? |
| 19:57.06 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: give the output of dpkg -l udev alsa-utils; cat /etc/modules; lspci; |
| 19:57.20 | HardDisk_WP | !libstdc++6? |
| 19:57.24 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: stop, please. |
| 19:57.33 | dondelelcaro | !+find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 19:57.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:57.41 | HardDisk_WP | cool |
| 19:57.45 | HardDisk_WP | it supports apt-file? |
| 19:57.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 19:57.59 | stranger_stone | ok one secound please |
| 19:58.10 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: use a paste site to provide it |
| 19:58.20 | stranger_stone | ok |
| 19:58.27 | dondelelcaro | MeteBond: so as you can see, it's not distributed in Debian. What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 19:58.46 | MeteBond | I succeed |
| 19:58.48 | MeteBond | thanks |
| 19:58.50 | ebcdic | how do i install the video drivers for windows 2000? |
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| 19:59.04 | DerJamster | ...er? |
| 19:59.18 | karsten | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:59.18 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 19:59.19 | ebcdic | i can't figure it out... it's so hard |
| 19:59.20 | dondelelcaro | ebcdic: this is #debian, not #windows. Try a different network. |
| 19:59.21 | karsten | ebcdic: ^^ |
| 19:59.24 | DerJamster | ask in #windows. download. klick on installer. keep hitting 'next'. klick 'done' |
| 19:59.37 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I think he may be referring to ndiswrapper? |
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| 19:59.41 | karsten | ebcdic: Are you? |
| 19:59.54 | ebcdic | is debian like the insecure version of windows |
| 20:00.01 | Ronin | ebcdic: go troll elsewhere |
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| 20:00.18 | karsten | ebcdic: Strike two. |
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| 20:00.23 | karsten | !ops ebcdic troll |
| 20:00.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: ebcdic troll |
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| 20:00.34 | craigevil | Hm I didn't realize today was Sunday |
| 20:00.39 | karsten | !win eeyore- |
| 20:00.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, eeyore-! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:00.44 | karsten | erm. !win dondelelcaro |
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| 20:01.07 | bwlang | i have a set of backup directories that use hard links... du is following them and showing me a huge number - any way to get the actual disk usage of each directory without the hard links? |
| 20:01.08 | dondelelcaro | gotta love when chanserv is lagged |
| 20:01.14 | mo1991 | does anyone know of a deb for Metasploit Framework |
| 20:01.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You had me worried there for a minute. |
| 20:01.35 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: a hard link is a regular file |
| 20:02.11 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: figuing out which of the hard linked files to count is rather difficult, because you can count any of them. |
| 20:02.40 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: du by default only counts them once, though. |
| 20:03.13 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro http://paste.uni.cc/12738 |
| 20:03.25 | bwlang | dondelelcaro... um maybe i'm using the wrong terminology... the idea is to not use more space for files that are not updated between backups |
| 20:03.35 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It does? |
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| 20:03.51 | stranger_stone | unless ... hummmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:03.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: if the documentation for -l is correct, yes. |
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| 20:04.06 | DerJamster | bwlang: so you want an 'incremental backup' |
| 20:04.22 | DerJamster | bwlang: check out a howto for rsync |
| 20:04.27 | ace_me | where I should create firewall.sh to have nat enabled ? |
| 20:04.38 | bwlang | DerJamster: it's working fine with faubackup.. i just want to find out how much new space is used in each backup. |
| 20:04.43 | DerJamster | hmmh |
| 20:04.54 | dondelelcaro | ace_me: init.d script, up rule, or in @reboot in crontab. It's your choice. |
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| 20:05.04 | DerJamster | bwlang: tough, as every file is pretty much a single hardlink. |
| 20:05.45 | DerJamster | at least. |
| 20:06.12 | bwlang | DerJamster: if it were easy I wouldn't be asking ;) |
| 20:06.42 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: and you're using du -hsX foo list of directories, right? |
| 20:06.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: correct. cd /tmp; mkdir foo; cd foo; dd if=/dev/zero of=bar bs=1M count=10; for i in $( seq 10 ); do ln bar bar${i}; done; du *; du -l * |
| 20:06.54 | Guerin | hm, dns is udp, right? not tcp? |
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| 20:07.02 | karsten | Guerin: Right. udp/53 |
| 20:07.14 | Guerin | drangin' iptables ain't lettin' it by |
| 20:07.35 | karsten | bwlang: There are a few backup mechanisms which do a checksum on files and create hardlinks for identical files. |
| 20:07.44 | karsten | bwlang: Can't think of any off the top but that's what you'd want. |
| 20:07.54 | karsten | bwlang: Also recommend SHA1 over MD5 due to collisions. |
| 20:08.09 | bwlang | karsten: i have it working fine (faubackup)... but i want to know how much space is used by each backup. |
| 20:08.12 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro do you see the paste? |
| 20:08.21 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: yes; can you also give the output of lsmod |
| 20:08.29 | karsten | bwlang: du |
| 20:08.33 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: again, what du command are you using? |
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| 20:08.37 | bwlang | dondelelcaro: i was using du -smD |
| 20:08.45 | karsten | bwlang: ... or you can check actual disk utilization. |
| 20:08.54 | karsten | bwlang: ... or write your own stat() parser. |
| 20:08.57 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: and why are you using D? |
| 20:09.05 | stoned | afternoon ladies |
| 20:09.06 | dondelelcaro | (and why m?) |
| 20:09.12 | sanity__ | hi anyway to enalbled a pixart Imaging, Inc. Easy Snap Snake Eye WebCam ? |
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| 20:09.49 | stoned | is there a list of debian compatable hardware somewhere? I can't find anything, and I want to make sure what I am getting will work under it |
| 20:09.50 | bwlang | dondelelcaro: i want to se the results in megabytes (m) and D because i thought the dereferencing might help |
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| 20:10.07 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: if you want to see the results in megabytes, you want h. Using D will not help. |
| 20:10.35 | dondelelcaro | (well, if you want to see it as a human readable number, anyway; if you want to parse it some how, just leave it alone) |
| 20:11.00 | geo-rge | does there exist a libtdom? |
| 20:11.15 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: in any event, du -hs foo list of directories; will show you the size of your backup without doublecounting hardlinks. |
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| 20:11.36 | stoned | I am looking at an htpc solution, motherboard has a onboard cia c3 samual 2 processor. it it s PC chips m789CG board |
| 20:11.38 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro http://paste.uni.cc/12740 |
| 20:11.54 | stoned | is this compatable with debian? |
| 20:12.54 | stoned | via c3 doh |
| 20:12.58 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: udev should be loading snd_hda_intel and snd_emu10k1 automatically, so that shouldn't be the problem. If you reboot and run alsamixer, can you see the sound cards? |
| 20:13.08 | octoberdan | awww @session is deprecated... |
| 20:13.14 | bwlang | dondelelcaro: hmm i guess -m is deprecated - I'm seeing 1157 one day, then 1159 then next day... I didn't have 1gig of data change during that time. Maybe the problem is elsewhere. |
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| 20:13.56 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: are you running du separately for each day? |
| 20:14.00 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro i have 2 sound cards here one from the motherboard and other from pci |
| 20:14.01 | stoned | would I just use a regular i386 kernel with this cpu? |
| 20:14.12 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: so? |
| 20:14.36 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro i run alsamixer and cames here some usb device |
| 20:14.46 | stoned | I'm on via's website on the c3 proc specs I don't see anything |
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| 20:14.51 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: that doesn't matter in the least; the only thing that is impacted there is which soundcard is the default... that you can control by specifying the card you want to control |
| 20:15.02 | bwlang | dondelelcaro- well sort of ... du -sm * which would expand to each day. |
| 20:15.26 | stoned | ahhh smallprint! found it, it is i386 compatable |
| 20:15.35 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: so alsamixer -c 1; or similar. |
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| 20:16.48 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro nathing :x |
| 20:17.13 | freemind | hello, is there any way to install debian via netboot with 3com59x card? I tried all netboot images I could find(includes etch images and backported images from kenshi muto) - any ideas? |
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| 20:17.42 | freemind | (issue: no network card found) |
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| 20:18.27 | stranger_stone | i see the card i don`t use |
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| 20:18.43 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro i run alsaconf and works fine |
| 20:18.54 | stranger_stone | just after reboot :\ nathing need to do it again |
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| 20:21.14 | stranger_stone | i run alsaconf and chose the card i want cames there sound cards i dnt have cards form usb and everything lol |
| 20:21.16 | stranger_stone | :| |
| 20:21.28 | dkr | freemind: did you try a recent etch installer daily build or the rc1 installer? |
| 20:21.47 | geo-rge | freemind: howbout a netinst image? it has the base on it |
| 20:21.57 | freemind | dkr, I guess no, thanks for this hint! Will checkout it right now |
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| 20:22.15 | freemind | geo-rge, is netinst also bootable via netboot(pxe)? |
| 20:22.21 | geo-rge | btw... I need a spare mind... you say yours is free? |
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| 20:22.32 | freemind | mine is empty |
| 20:22.39 | freemind | so, yea - its free :) |
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| 20:22.45 | geo-rge | oh :) more storage space :) |
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| 20:23.00 | freemind | ;)) |
| 20:23.37 | geo-rge | I'm not sure about the pxe thing, but there might be a specific pxe image |
| 20:23.47 | geo-rge | the machine doesn't have a cdrom? |
| 20:23.58 | freemind | I'm doing remote install.. :) |
| 20:24.16 | freemind | s/doing/trying/ |
| 20:24.30 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro the sound works fine i just don`t want to need to type alsaconf everytime i reboot lol |
| 20:24.32 | freemind | geo-rge, we know eachother, right?! |
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| 20:24.42 | geo-rge | I dunno... maybe |
| 20:24.43 | stranger_stone | any ideia there why this happend lol :| |
| 20:25.01 | Varange | hi all. I need help with a regex. I'm trying to match dates for validation purposes. I'd like to match 02-Feb as well as 2-Feb. What would the regex look like? |
| 20:25.07 | Varange | please |
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| 20:25.58 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.38 | dondelelcaro | stranger_stone: so set whichever card you want to use to be the default device. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 |
| 20:26.41 | freemind | dkr, please tell me where to find these daily builds, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- there is no daily build category |
| 20:27.11 | dkr | the third chunk of stuff on that page |
| 20:27.17 | dkr | "daily built images" |
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| 20:28.15 | freemind | dkr, sorry, I'm insomnia |
| 20:28.34 | dkr | freemind: no problem, I'm psychosis |
| 20:29.23 | freemind | where are you from dkr? ;) |
| 20:29.45 | stranger_stone | dondelelcaro thanks i will try :) |
| 20:30.16 | PingFloyd | it's saying to add those lines to .config file, then run make, then copy the files it says to your system, probably /usr/local/bin |
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| 20:30.32 | PingFloyd | actually, run .config before make after you've added those line |
| 20:30.44 | dkr | freemind: miami, fl, usa. I was just joking about the psychosis. :) |
| 20:31.06 | plundra | I'm looking for a small "thingy" to boot via pxe that have sshd, any suggestions? |
| 20:31.14 | freemind | I know :) |
| 20:31.27 | freemind | I just ripped Miami_Vice yesterday |
| 20:31.31 | freemind | from dvd, lol |
| 20:32.07 | Guerin | currently using wep |
| 20:32.10 | rahul | whap |
| 20:32.16 | Guerin | please don't haxx0r my wireless ;) |
| 20:32.19 | rahul | !spank Guerin |
| 20:32.22 | dkr | freemind: I helped install the tile floor at the original miami vice police station when I was a little kid. I remember them telling us to kick the walls and stuff to scuff it up to make it look old, :) |
| 20:32.43 | freemind | lol :)) |
| 20:32.47 | Guerin | dkr: hehe, cool. |
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| 20:33.18 | karsten | How can I get group from groupid ... in a NIS _or_ local environment? |
| 20:33.33 | mz_work | looking for a site that has a variety of video formats (i.e. something other than flash) to test a browser plugin |
| 20:33.41 | dkr | I got to meet edward james omos, but only saw "crocket" and "tubbs" from a distance as they were doing a scene. :) |
| 20:33.52 | Guerin | mz_work: cnn.com; quicktime.com; etc. |
| 20:35.27 | rahul | www.multi-format-xxx-vids.com :P |
| 20:35.27 | Guerin | rahul: he doesn't want to waste your bandwidth |
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| 20:35.28 | rahul | heh |
| 20:35.28 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 20:35.28 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 20:35.29 | Guerin | just what I need first thing in the morning |
| 20:35.38 | rahul | heh |
| 20:35.52 | rahul | a quickie before getting out of bed :P |
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| 20:36.39 | dkr | freemind: oh yeah, my friend is also in that movie version, he's in the very last scene at the entrance to the hospital, chatting on his cellphone wearing green doctor outfit. cracked me up when I saw it. |
| 20:36.44 | rahul | haha |
| 20:37.07 | polishkoop | Does anyone know if the BCM4306 chipset works with debian etch? |
| 20:37.30 | Guerin | i think the neighbours were surprised to see me open the back door in my underpants and throw a kitten at the garden |
| 20:37.45 | Guerin | polishkoop: is it supported by the linux kernel? |
| 20:37.49 | rahul | heh |
| 20:38.19 | polishkoop | guerin: it has built in drivers, but I have heard that some specific bcm shipsets still don't work |
| 20:38.32 | polishkoop | chipsets* |
| 20:38.55 | Guerin | polishkoop: check whether it works on a generic linux kernel - if it does, it likely works on a debian kernel too, and in any case can be built. |
| 20:39.18 | Guerin | wtf |
| 20:39.30 | Guerin | excuse paste: |
| 20:39.35 | polishkoop | guerin: i have got it to work before with debian sarge with ndiswrapper. Just the native drivers or ndiswrapper don't seem to be working for me on etch |
| 20:39.51 | Guerin | eyeOS 0.9.3-5 Installation Script |
| 20:39.52 | Guerin | Please set permissions of 0777 on the following directories : |
| 20:40.10 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.11 | Guerin | Then user your browser reload button to retry the installation |
| 20:40.21 | Guerin | what the FUCK? |
| 20:40.40 | rahul | haha |
| 20:40.41 | stranger_stone | i can`t bealiver o0 0o |
| 20:41.05 | rahul | can you say "spyware"? |
| 20:41.07 | peterS | Guerin: maybe that's the instructions for Vista by mistake |
| 20:41.19 | Guerin | it's apparently legit |
| 20:41.24 | Guerin | a `web-based OS' |
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| 20:41.54 | rahul | that modifies /etc as a user. |
| 20:42.00 | Guerin | ... and a webmaster I know well is installing it on his production server wth ~20,000 users |
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| 20:42.20 | Guerin | web users, I mean; forum members |
| 20:42.23 | Guerin | not local users |
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| 20:43.15 | rhys | what does a subproccess bzip error mean? |
| 20:43.25 | rhys | more importantly, what is its cause |
| 20:43.33 | Guerin | rahul: it means bzip failed to do something when called by a script or subroutine |
| 20:43.44 | Guerin | rahul: i bet you didn't know that |
| 20:43.45 | rahul | is that so? |
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| 20:44.56 | rhys | lol. tab complete once more there |
| 20:45.32 | rhys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.44 | rhys | and above that, zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.. Gzip does the same thing |
| 20:46.18 | Guerin | rhys: figure out what sort of file it is |
| 20:46.36 | rhys | oo. forgot to mention, this is on apt-get update. |
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| 20:47.19 | rhys | trying to donload non-free and contrib package lists |
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| 20:47.33 | Guerin | rhys: sounds like the file isn't getting downloaded properly or the mirror is busted |
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| 20:48.23 | rhys | uk.debian and us.debian....must be a problem on my end |
| 20:48.30 | Guerin | mm, yup. |
| 20:48.36 | polishkoop | when i try to ifup my eth0 device (wireless card), I get the error..... ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready. I then get a SoftMAC message followd by an eth0: link becomes ready. I remain unconnected after doing this. What can I do? |
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| 20:49.01 | godzirra | Anyone know how I can get libapache-mod-fcgi |
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| 20:49.07 | godzirra | it says its not available anymoer |
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| 20:49.59 | godzirra | *anymore |
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| 20:50.29 | Guerin | godzirra: get from snapshot.d.n - but I'd be curious as to why it's unabailable |
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| 20:51.46 | abrotman | in which version of debian ? |
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| 20:52.37 | godzirra | etch |
| 20:53.03 | godzirra | Package libapache-mod-fastcgi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:53.10 | godzirra | but then it says it doesnt have another installation candidate. |
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| 20:54.14 | rhys | Guerin, where are package lists downloaded too? i think its overwriting a bad filre. |
| 20:54.32 | dondelelcaro | godzirra: libapache-mod-fastcgi is in non-free. |
| 20:55.02 | dondelelcaro | godzirra: you need to add non-free to your sources.list so you can install it |
| 20:55.02 | godzirra | Ahh. I didnt know that. |
| 20:55.09 | dondelelcaro | godzirra: packages.debian.org is your friend. |
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| 20:55.22 | Guerin | rhys: /var/lib/dpkg or /var/cache/apt, I forget which |
| 20:55.29 | Guerin | somewhere like that |
| 20:55.30 | seb__ | hi |
| 20:55.56 | seb__ | do you know easy way to test a Pixart Imaging, Inc. Easy Snap Snake Eye WebCam? |
| 20:56.08 | Guerin | seb__: google |
| 20:56.18 | g333k_work | Hi, I want to write a gnome applet, do you recommend me to write it in gnome2 or python? |
| 20:56.22 | seb__ | already used |
| 20:56.26 | Guerin | seb__: the way to test is to check the chipset against a HCL |
| 20:56.31 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: gnome2 isn't a language |
| 20:56.35 | seb__ | HCL ? |
| 20:56.40 | Guerin | seb__: if you can't find it on google, it ain't supported. |
| 20:56.43 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 20:56.43 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:56.53 | seb__ | spca50xxx driver i believe |
| 20:57.21 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, what's then? |
| 20:57.29 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: ? |
| 20:57.31 | Guerin | seb__: then the way to test is to load the driver, plug 'er in, and see what dmesg says |
| 20:57.44 | seb__ | ok thanks Guerin |
| 20:58.09 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, http://members.iinet.net.au/~adburton/articles/appletstutorial.html this tutorial refers to write gnome applets in gnome2 |
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| 20:58.25 | Flimzy | Is it not possible to use debbugs with postfix? |
| 20:58.25 | AcuraX | For some reason my language is in german |
| 20:58.36 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, He's using gtk+ right? |
| 20:58.55 | AcuraX | nvm got it :D |
| 20:59.16 | Flimzy | oh, nm... found my answer |
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| 21:03.17 | usr_rob | anyone knows when gnome 2.16 will be in testing repo ? |
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| 21:03.53 | sepski | usr_rob, all kinds of wacky things will go into testing after testing releases |
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| 21:05.25 | usr_rob | sepski, yes i know. |
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| 21:06.32 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: he's writing it in C using libpanelapplet-2.0 and gtk. |
| 21:06.37 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, well my question have been: I want to write a gnome applet, do you recommend me to write it using gtk+ or python? |
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| 21:06.51 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: you're going to use gtk+ no matter what language you write it in |
| 21:06.59 | alanic | how can I find the package name that a certain file in my harddrive belongs to? |
| 21:07.03 | chalcedony | brb.. have to shut down for a bit |
| 21:07.12 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: whether you use the C bindings, the perl bindings, or the python bindings is entirely up to you. |
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| 21:07.24 | alanic | in gentoo it is equery belongs, but I don't know in debian |
| 21:07.41 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, what's the advantage/disadvantage of doing that? |
| 21:07.56 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, I mena using the bindings? |
| 21:07.59 | g333k_work | mean* |
| 21:08.03 | h3sp4wn | alanic: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 21:08.34 | alanic | h3sp4wn++ |
| 21:08.36 | alanic | thanks |
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| 21:09.19 | usr_rob | sepski, found status here http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html |
| 21:09.33 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: you have no choice *but* to use the bindings |
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| 21:11.56 | Diamond | Hi |
| 21:12.01 | Diamond | i have a question |
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| 21:12.20 | Diamond | is it possible to ask debian which rights there are on a dir like /var/www |
| 21:12.40 | Diamond | can i ask what rights that dir has by a command ? |
| 21:12.42 | dondelelcaro | Diamond: stat /var/www; will tell you |
| 21:12.48 | Diamond | ok thnx |
| 21:12.48 | dondelelcaro | (as will ls -ld) |
| 21:12.49 | Diamond | :) |
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| 21:16.38 | srele | guys you have to check out this |
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| 21:16.49 | srele | it is a new ubuntu logo |
| 21:16.50 | fozze | ? |
| 21:16.58 | srele | http://www.elitesecurity.org/poruka/fajluzporuku/1427400 |
| 21:17.11 | fozze | this isn't porn is it? |
| 21:17.16 | srele | nope |
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| 21:17.22 | fozze | nor spam? |
| 21:17.24 | srele | but it can be considered a little bit erotic |
| 21:17.25 | srele | nope |
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| 21:17.35 | fozze | is it tasteless? |
| 21:17.39 | srele | just for laughs ^^ |
| 21:17.52 | srele | dunno, I've never tryed it ;) |
| 21:17.57 | abrotman | srele: go away |
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| 21:18.04 | srele | abrotman: ^^ |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | srele: go the fuck away |
| 21:18.10 | a-atwood_home | can't remember the tweak to ps/2 mouse to get it to use wheel |
| 21:18.19 | srele | abrotman: watch it! |
| 21:18.25 | abrotman | you're spamming us |
| 21:18.36 | srele | no I'm not, now lets end with this bad joke, ok ? |
| 21:18.54 | srele | too bad you didn't like it, OK :P |
| 21:19.03 | Guerin | !ops srele ubuntu pr0n spammer |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: srele ubuntu pr0n spammer |
| 21:19.18 | srele | O_O |
| 21:19.25 | srele | why and what is that? |
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| 21:19.38 | abrotman | you giong buh-bye :) |
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| 21:19.45 | mentor | gone |
| 21:19.46 | Guerin | pr0wned |
| 21:19.50 | abrotman | !beer mentor! |
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| 21:20.18 | a-atwood_home | !dpkg mouse wheel |
| 21:20.45 | mentor | !mouse wheel |
| 21:20.45 | dpkg | it has been said that mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
| 21:20.48 | mentor | a-atwood_home: /msg dpkg |
| 21:20.52 | Guerin | a-atwood_home: drxx; choose imps/2 mouse driver |
| 21:21.01 | Guerin | !tell a-atwood_home about drxx |
| 21:21.04 | a-atwood_home | thatis it. |
| 21:21.22 | a-atwood_home | couldn't remember |
| 21:22.22 | AcuraX | Is there a way toi turn off all sound support in epiphany? |
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| 21:22.51 | Guerin | AcuraX: i wish; browsers have no business making noise. |
| 21:22.57 | streuner | sound support in epiphany? Isn't that a browser? |
| 21:24.00 | abrotman | there's another epiphany package too |
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| 21:24.00 | abrotman | !info epiphany etch |
| 21:24.00 | dpkg | epiphany: (clone of Boulder Dash game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 21:24.00 | abrotman | see! |
| 21:24.00 | Guerin | oh, right |
| 21:24.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:24.12 | streuner | hm |
| 21:24.19 | daft | I have 2 installs of debian sid on my laptop one 1st install to test it. every thing worked now i installed it again on the rest of my hd |
| 21:24.32 | abrotman | old man! |
| 21:24.39 | daft | now debian passjey works on the small version but not the big one :/ |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | jjazz: find your RAM ? |
| 21:24.44 | jjazz | That and Jumpman! |
| 21:25.03 | jjazz | abrotman: Not yet. Going to ebay some this afternoon, if I get around to it. |
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| 21:27.06 | jelly-home | that's funny. |
| 21:27.14 | nvz | not really |
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| 21:27.29 | nvz | epiphany is far from funny |
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| 21:27.50 | jelly-home | FirstStar software until recently used to hunt down each and every clone of Boulderdash that wasn't properly licensed from them, |
| 21:28.21 | Guerin | then they decided that a shitty game from the 1930s wasn't worth protecting? |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | jjazz: send an email to your local LUG |
| 21:28.45 | jelly-home | jjazz: I think there are licensed versions for mobile phones. |
| 21:29.00 | jelly-home | Guerin: 1930s?? |
| 21:29.20 | jjazz | abrotman: I have some incidental contact with some NYC luggers (via the job), and that's a fine idea. |
| 21:29.47 | jelly-home | Guerin: a coworker got a cease-and-desist in maybe 1997-8. |
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| 21:30.07 | jjazz | The original boulder dash was played with pegs and string! Black-and-white pegs and string! |
| 21:30.22 | Guerin | jelly-home: by which i mean `really old' |
| 21:30.35 | jelly-home | jjazz: I wonder about the implementation of expanding slimes. |
| 21:30.46 | jelly-home | blublublub |
| 21:31.21 | jjazz | jelly-home: Raid the storm cellar for jarred goods. Upend the jar on part of the board. It's like a very messy and very delicious timer. |
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| 21:31.38 | x_link | I have debian etch would like to install stable beryl 0.1.4 what is the repo |
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| 21:31.44 | x_link | ? |
| 21:31.51 | jjazz | x_link: The answer is the same as it was when you asked a few hours ago. |
| 21:31.57 | FliesLikeALap | I have a debian server. when doing ps aux, the processes owned by a certain user show up with the numeric uid, not the username. All authentication is done locally and /etc/passwd is correct. The user can log into SSH just fine |
| 21:32.05 | FliesLikeALap | (debian 4.0) |
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| 21:32.23 | x_link | jjazz: I don't remember it =/ |
| 21:32.27 | jjazz | x_link: Check your logs. |
| 21:32.30 | tombs | Well, I'm trying to install java on my 386 but I can't get it done....http://rafb.net/p/r3Xp0623.html Does someone have any idea of whats going on please? |
| 21:32.36 | jelly-home | x_link: jeez, you still haven't decided which one of equally untrusted 3rd party repositories to use? |
| 21:32.43 | Guerin | java, on a 386? |
| 21:32.46 | Guerin | HAHAH |
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| 21:33.10 | _JusSx_ | Guerin: yeah he can install it but not run it |
| 21:33.13 | x_link | jelly-home: Yeah I have |
| 21:33.16 | tombs | Guerin: sorry man.....thats the architecture |
| 21:33.21 | x_link | But not I have changed the beryl version, from svn to stable. |
| 21:33.26 | x_link | And I needa stable repo for Debian Etch |
| 21:33.26 | tombs | actually is a Athlon 2500 |
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| 21:33.52 | jelly-home | x_link: there is none, 3rd party repos are unstable by definition |
| 21:34.00 | x_link | jelly-home: ok |
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| 21:36.11 | concept10 | if I stare at VIM any longer, im going to lose it. |
| 21:36.24 | karmatronic | :) |
| 21:36.44 | AcuraX | Guerin, i totally agree with you :D, but thereis NO WAY at all? |
| 21:36.53 | AcuraX | epiphany keeps crashing when entering a site with adobe flash |
| 21:37.01 | Guerin | AcuraX: dunno. |
| 21:37.08 | Guerin | AcuraX: solution: don't use flash. |
| 21:37.27 | AcuraX | Thanks man |
| 21:37.45 | concept10 | Do you have a default site with flash on it? |
| 21:37.49 | AcuraX | How do i uninstall it, using apt? |
| 21:37.52 | concept10 | I meant homepage? |
| 21:38.09 | AcuraX | No i was on myspace checking my son's stuff out. |
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| 21:38.18 | AcuraX | i hate that god-forsaken place.. |
| 21:38.38 | concept10 | AcuraX, try with another browser |
| 21:38.50 | AcuraX | works woth konq |
| 21:38.51 | concept10 | with same libraries |
| 21:39.03 | AcuraX | and iceweasel |
| 21:39.26 | AcuraX | but iceweasel is laggy |
| 21:39.40 | concept10 | iceweasal? is that a new myspace? |
| 21:39.53 | concept10 | j/k |
| 21:39.59 | AcuraX | Konq is working just fine but no sound would be great |
| 21:40.09 | AcuraX | no it's a(n) web browser.. |
| 21:40.49 | mnuhmnuh | AcuraX: can't you just turn off/down sound? |
| 21:40.59 | concept10 | The best I have now for watching flash is either flock or opera, and I only load them to look at flash videos |
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| 21:41.10 | rhys | what the hell is iceweasel? |
| 21:41.16 | AcuraX | that doesn't stop epiphany from crashing now does it? |
| 21:41.23 | jelly-home | !iceweasel |
| 21:41.23 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 21:41.27 | rhys | i tried to remove a firefox language pack and it said i had to install it |
| 21:41.30 | concept10 | rhys, its like Firefox 3.0 |
| 21:41.41 | AcuraX | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 21:42.00 | rhys | concept10, and why should i use debians iceweasel and not mozilla firefox? |
| 21:42.05 | rhys | 2.0 was good for me.. |
| 21:42.12 | Gnurdux | he meant 2.0 |
| 21:42.19 | AcuraX | Noone said you should? |
| 21:42.27 | concept10 | yeah, i meant 2.0 |
| 21:42.38 | rhys | AcuraX, i was wonder what makes them better? |
| 21:42.55 | sohmestra | rhys: it's the same thing as firefox, just called something different due to a trademark dispute |
| 21:42.58 | concept10 | Debian has a better logo |
| 21:43.17 | rhys | .......do....what? |
| 21:43.22 | AcuraX | I find iceweasel to be faster though.. |
| 21:43.25 | jelly-home | rhys: it's in the distro. Whether that makes it better for you is another matter |
| 21:43.41 | concept10 | FOSS needs less politics and more code |
| 21:43.48 | rhys | concept10, amen |
| 21:44.02 | Guerin | why? |
| 21:44.04 | jjazz | It's not politics. It's a valuing freedom. |
| 21:44.09 | rhys | what do you mean a "trademark dispute" |
| 21:44.10 | Guerin | ther'es plenty of code, and not that much politics |
| 21:44.32 | sohmestra | rhys: google it. |
| 21:44.33 | rhys | do you mean to say firefox used a copyrighted image somewhere so debian forked the project? |
| 21:44.35 | Guerin | rhys: ook up the difference between trade mark and copyright some time |
| 21:44.35 | concept10 | I take that back, more _concentration_ on big picture issues |
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| 21:45.00 | jjazz | concept10: Usually when people say that, it means they want to use less free licenses. |
| 21:45.01 | Guerin | concept10: software freedom *is* a big-picture issue; as is ensuring a valuable trademark isn't diluted |
| 21:45.10 | nash-20 | hi, i have installed libxine1, but i can't play mp3 music, do you know why? |
| 21:45.18 | buu | concept10: OSS needs less fucktards standing on the sideline trying to tell everyone else what to do. |
| 21:45.27 | Guerin | nash-20: are you running debian? |
| 21:45.30 | jelly-home | rhys: read that "/msg dpkg why iceweasel" if you really want to know |
| 21:45.34 | Guerin | !beer buu |
| 21:45.36 | nash-20 | Guerin, yes, debian sid |
| 21:45.52 | Guerin | nash-20: do mp3s play with another backend? |
| 21:46.02 | nash-20 | with gstreamer |
| 21:46.05 | Guerin | like libmad/madplay or mpg321? |
| 21:46.08 | tarzeau | nash-20: got urls to your mp3s? |
| 21:46.10 | jelly-home | buu: referring to someone specifically? |
| 21:46.10 | buu | "If only every single, unpaid, volunteer, open source developer would only work on those areas I think are important, then we'd get someplace" |
| 21:46.12 | concept10 | No, I mean this: everyone know that DDs argue over alot of stuff. With the FF debacle, I do not see the point |
| 21:46.14 | buu | jelly-home: Sure, why not. |
| 21:46.15 | tarzeau | nash-20: tried opencubicplayer ? |
| 21:46.30 | tarzeau | buu: says who? |
| 21:46.33 | concept10 | Is it just DFSG? |
| 21:46.35 | buu | tarzeau: What? |
| 21:46.37 | Guerin | concept10: your inability to see the point don't make the issue pointless. |
| 21:46.43 | sohmestra | !DFSG |
| 21:46.43 | dpkg | dfsg is, like, the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 21:46.47 | tarzeau | buu: some people prefer free software over open source software |
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| 21:47.00 | tarzeau | buu: which important areas are you thinking of? |
| 21:47.01 | buu | tarzeau: What on earth does this have to do with anything? |
| 21:47.03 | rhys | buu, im with you. the fsf has some good ideas, but ffs listen to linus! linux will never get anything without accepting the addons of 3rd party software. |
| 21:47.06 | buu | tarzeau: HEY THAT WAS SARCASM. |
| 21:47.10 | Guerin | concept10: DFSG and interaction with trademarks, yes. |
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| 21:47.16 | tarzeau | buu: then you missed the :) |
| 21:47.20 | Guerin | rhys: bullshit. |
| 21:47.22 | buu | tarzeau: I think *you* missed it. |
| 21:47.26 | buu | It was *implied* |
| 21:47.27 | Guerin | rhys: you're already wrong, there. |
| 21:47.30 | tarzeau | rhys: you missed it too |
| 21:47.32 | buu | And I like *bold*. |
| 21:47.43 | tarzeau | buu: i think it's true, i can't laugh about it |
| 21:47.56 | tarzeau | buu: there's a lot of wasted work |
| 21:48.03 | buu | tarzeau: so what? |
| 21:48.05 | buu | The best software is always created by somebody scratching his own itch. |
| 21:48.06 | concept10 | I value free software more than open source, but sheesh, the politics are amazing! |
| 21:48.20 | buu | Trying to force volunteers to work on things they don't want to is one of those awesomely terrible ideas. |
| 21:48.29 | rhys | ive long had this argument in this channel. people that are that extreme are holding linux back. |
| 21:48.32 | Guerin | jelly-home: that's valid. Think of the fact you can't distribute an emacs cheat-card without the entire gnu manifesto attached, and see how stupid the gfdl is as a documentation license. |
| 21:48.39 | rhys | i dont care if its free entirely, as long as its open source. |
| 21:48.45 | smimp | anyone know a light on screen keyboard that would work on an old tablet pc? |
| 21:49.00 | tarzeau | buu: i disagree on the first sentence (it's not always true), and full ack on the second one |
| 21:49.04 | Guerin | rhys: good for you. Don't try to redefine *my* priorities in that way. |
| 21:49.11 | buu | rhys: Nobody is holding anything back. Everyone is pushing in different directions. |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-home | Guerin: I don't mind distributing the link to the manifesto somewhere in /usr/share |
| 21:49.21 | svalvolo | help |
| 21:49.21 | tarzeau | buu: some people create awful stuff |
| 21:49.34 | buu | tarzeau: So? |
| 21:49.38 | Ronin | !tell svalvolo about ask |
| 21:49.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: not if it has to be on the frikkin refcard |
| 21:49.41 | buu | tarzeau: That's not a counter-argument. |
| 21:49.56 | tarzeau | buu: it can hardly be the best software created |
| 21:49.58 | svalvolo | goodnight |
| 21:50.06 | rhys | buu, thats not what ive seen. see what happens when people come in asking about propietary nvidia drivers. they get their heads bit off by people more worried about their social contract and having a nice OS. |
| 21:50.18 | jelly-home | Guerin: but mostly I don't think documentation should be treated like any other software |
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| 21:50.22 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: people scratching their own itch don't always create the best software, but the best software is created in that manner. |
| 21:50.30 | concept10 | buu, I dont do that myself. Prime example: I filed a enhancement on a project, very little response.. so guess what? I have 4 files open in vim and have been working on what I want for 4 hours. I do fix stuff myself, I take action |
| 21:50.33 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: much better |
| 21:50.40 | Guerin | jelly-home: imagine if I made the entire text of the King James Version a front-cover text to my iptables script |
| 21:50.52 | Guerin | jelly-home: sorry, to the documentation of my iptables script |
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| 21:51.00 | jelly-home | Guerin: that's your prerogative as the author. |
| 21:51.31 | jelly-home | Guerin: in fact, some of typo3 docs are like that ;-) |
| 21:51.46 | Guerin | jelly-home: this is the point, though: you, as a contributing author to the documentation and the script, are bound to reproduce it. |
| 21:51.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: why not? Why are the freedoms that we require for works in Debian not applicable to all works in Debian? |
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| 21:52.31 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: pragmatically, because they're keeping useful information (like glibc reference) from being in Deb. |
| 21:52.36 | Guerin | jelly-home: it could conceivably be used as a way of obfuscating documentation |
| 21:52.36 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's not like we restrict what you can install, either... it's just that we want to make it obvious that you can't exercise the freedoms that the DFSG says that we grant. |
| 21:52.37 | AcuraX | For sdome reason my system language is german how do i switch it back to english? |
| 21:52.42 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's in non-free. |
| 21:52.50 | nash-20 | tarzeau, i installed opencubicplayer and nothing |
| 21:52.50 | tarzeau | AcuraX: the console? |
| 21:52.51 | dondelelcaro | (or can easily go into non-free) |
| 21:52.52 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: non-free is not Debian |
| 21:52.55 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: so? |
| 21:52.57 | tarzeau | nash-20: then ocp *.mp3 ? |
| 21:53.12 | AcuraX | How in the console? |
| 21:53.23 | tarzeau | AcuraX: in the shell? |
| 21:53.27 | Guerin | AcuraX: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:53.29 | concept10 | In the end.. Free .. Open Source or Proprietary, all operating systems have politics |
| 21:53.29 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: so, it's kind of basic documentation for an important piece of the OS, and it's not there |
| 21:53.30 | tarzeau | AcuraX: or which system language? |
| 21:53.35 | AcuraX | Ty Guerin |
| 21:53.48 | Guerin | concept10: the personal is [political - everything has politics |
| 21:53.50 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's in non-free. There are lots of things that we can't distribute which may be important to the OS. |
| 21:53.56 | Guerin | concept10: politics are valuable, however. |
| 21:54.00 | nash-20 | tarzeau, sorry, with ocp run well |
| 21:54.15 | tarzeau | nash-20: it works with ocp and not with which? what says file *.mp3 ? |
| 21:54.23 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: yeah, but non-free may fall off the edge of the world at any given moment :-| |
| 21:54.27 | rahul | Guerin: valuable to the people who want to gain power and manuipulate others... |
| 21:54.37 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: so can any piece of software that Debian distributes. |
| 21:54.46 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's nothing stopping you from stepping forward and dealing with it |
| 21:54.53 | Guerin | rahul: not at all, just as valuable to those who want to *prevent* that |
| 21:55.21 | concept10 | Guerin, I love politics, but sometimes it crazy and pointless. On CSPAN this morning, the topic was "Does Barak Obama have enough experience?" No one asked this about John Edwards a couple of weeks ago, but thats a different topic :) |
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| 21:55.53 | Guerin | concept10: lots of things are crazy and pointless, but [politics isn't really up there near the top of the list. |
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| 21:56.32 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: uh, I don't see what you mean by that. |
| 21:56.39 | rahul | "politics" is about one person trying to gain power by using others to gain that power |
| 21:56.56 | rahul | "statesmanship" is about one person trying to bring others into agreement so everyone gains power |
| 21:57.37 | Guerin | rahul: or trying to react to such a gain. Just because some particular group feel politically disempowered don't make politics the enemy. |
| 21:57.45 | sohmestra | rahul: definitions are only valuable if all involved parties agree on them, they are arbitrary otherwise. |
| 21:58.14 | Flimzy | Has anyone set up debbugs before? I'm finding the FM to be very sparse on details... specifically... what are $gWebHostBugDir and $gCGIDomain supposed to refer to? |
| 21:58.16 | Guerin | ihe's not making a definition, he's analysing the meaning |
| 21:58.29 | Guerin | wrongly, but still ;) |
| 21:58.36 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I do think DFSG should be amended to allow invariants _for doc only_. This would be in the interest of users. |
| 21:58.48 | rahul | well, this is how it's used by historians |
| 21:58.51 | jelly-home | or s/amended/interpreted/ |
| 21:58.51 | concept10 | rahul, your "politics" definition describes Hillary Clinton spot on, but not all politics |
| 21:58.54 | nash-20 | tarzeau, i can't play mp3 with amarok |
| 21:58.59 | sohmestra | Guerin: that's essentially what a definition is... |
| 21:59.03 | nash-20 | or totem-xine |
| 21:59.06 | tarzeau | nash-20: did you check bts yet? |
| 21:59.12 | tarzeau | nash-20: do you get any error msg? |
| 21:59.17 | Guerin | sohmestra: nope. A definition is much more narrow than an interpretation, this is semantics 101. |
| 21:59.19 | nash-20 | no |
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| 21:59.21 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: essentialy, doc != software |
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| 21:59.27 | Guerin | and offtopic 101 |
| 21:59.39 | rahul | why exactly is the doc not allowed to be changed? |
| 21:59.40 | Guerin | jelly-home: that wouldn't change the problem of all the doc being in non-free |
| 21:59.49 | sohmestra | Guerin: a definition is a canonical "meaning" |
| 21:59.52 | rahul | shouldn't doc be encouraged to be updated in response to changes in the code? |
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| 22:00.03 | concept10 | Wikipedia: Politics is the process by which groups make decisions. Although the term is generally applied to behavior within governments, politics is observed in all human (and many non-human) group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious (FSF) institutions. |
| 22:00.06 | rahul | sohmestra: denotation vs. connotation. |
| 22:00.07 | nash-20 | tarzeau, No demuxer found - stream format not recognised. |
| 22:00.10 | tarzeau | rahul: yes, but invariant sections aren't about that, are they? |
| 22:00.12 | Guerin | rahul: parts of it aren't, because they're not `functional information' or some similar definition which escapes me |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | concept10: i don't know if we should send you to #wikipedia or #politics :) |
| 22:00.21 | tarzeau | nash-20: and what says file on the mp3? file the.mp3 ? |
| 22:00.28 | concept10 | heh |
| 22:00.34 | sohmestra | Guerin: anyway...it's not really worth debating. |
| 22:00.34 | concept10 | alright, im done. |
| 22:00.43 | Guerin | sohmestra: *a* canonical meaning, yes. Analysis is a synthesis of meanings |
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| 22:00.55 | jelly-home | Guerin: if it wasn't software but something similar with slightly different definition of freedom, it could enter main. |
| 22:00.59 | nash-20 | tarzeau, file says: 01.arch_enemy_-_enter_the_machine.mp3: MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag |
| 22:01.05 | Peggerr | can anyone tell me what is garbled about this command sed '/EMERGENCYACCESS/s/$&$/$usernames/' /usr/local/etc/sudoers |
| 22:01.18 | rahul | Guerin: it's non-functional information? :P |
| 22:01.18 | tarzeau | nash-20: i don't have totem or xine or something like that to try |
| 22:01.31 | tarzeau | nash-20: can you put that mp3 online somewhere? |
| 22:01.57 | nash-20 | tarzeau, i have the problem with all mp3 files |
| 22:02.05 | Guerin | rahul: i forget the term, but it's essentially the same reason a person's opinions shouldn't be subject to copyleft - because once changed they cease to be the person's opinions |
| 22:02.09 | tarzeau | nash-20: really check the bts |
| 22:02.57 | Guerin | rahul: the case in point is the gnu manifest: if it were subject to the copyleft portion of the GFDL, it would no longer be the gnu manifesto, and people could change it to `I like fucking gnus' and give GNU a bad name |
| 22:02.58 | rahul | Guerin: well, opinions are a different issue |
| 22:03.01 | Guerin | etc. |
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| 22:03.12 | Guerin | yes, and that's what te invariant sections thing is about |
| 22:03.13 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's no way to clearly demarcate between documentation and software. Furthermore, we expect to be able to fix bugs in documentation just like we expect to be able to fix bugs in software. The inability to do that means that we're curtailing the freedom of our users, and they should be informed that that's the case by the separation of the documentation into separate categories. |
| 22:03.51 | rahul | misattribution and slander and all that are subject to different laws |
| 22:03.55 | Guerin | i agree in principle, but I think documentation should be kept separate from editorialisation, which is what the gfdl diallows |
| 22:04.02 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: Well, I don't see it as insurmountable problems. |
| 22:04.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: no one is arguing against requiring people to indicate that they've modified a piece of documentation to avoid misattribution. |
| 22:04.11 | jelly-home | Guerin: yeah, that is an issue |
| 22:04.13 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yes, I know. |
| 22:04.16 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: to this date no one has been able to do it. You're welcome to try. |
| 22:04.27 | scruffy | is there a known problem with the firebug extension not working with the debian version of firefox? (google isn't helping) |
| 22:04.41 | Guerin | scruffy: check the BTS |
| 22:04.53 | scruffy | Guerin: did so, nada |
| 22:05.03 | Guerin | scruffy: i guess you know it, then ;) |
| 22:05.24 | scruffy | Guerin: I think I'm gonna give up then.. |
| 22:05.28 | dondelelcaro | indeed, all of the attempts so far have degenerated into the pr0n vs. art insanity: "I know it when I see it" |
| 22:05.36 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 22:05.51 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: well, codification is never perfect. |
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| 22:06.00 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it has to be. |
| 22:06.12 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: bah, it CAN'T be. |
| 22:06.15 | Guerin | it bein imperfect and it being non-functional are different |
| 22:06.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's exactly the point |
| 22:06.21 | rahul | dondelelcaro: uh, if it were, then courts wouldn't need to exist |
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| 22:06.31 | Guerin | if it can be imperfect but still `good enough', fine. |
| 22:06.39 | jelly-home | right. |
| 22:06.40 | dondelelcaro | rahul: in this case it has to be; there's no way to demarcate it at all |
| 22:06.50 | rahul | all we'd need is a prolog engine instead of a judge :P |
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| 22:07.05 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: there is ... leave the demarcation to the humans. The author, for example. |
| 22:07.09 | dondelelcaro | you cannot distinguish between literary code and non literary code. |
| 22:07.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that has rather obvious problems. |
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| 22:07.49 | infernix | hm, does a 3ghz p4 with hyperthreading show up as a 2x 1500mhz cpu in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 22:07.52 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: A is code. B is doc. C can be used as either, whoops. ;-) |
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| 22:08.11 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: who is to say that B is documentation? |
| 22:08.30 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: let's say the author. What's the problem with that? |
| 22:08.35 | bodydrop | hei, how can i execute apt-get in parallel? i mean, installing two packages at the same time (without having to use aptitude) |
| 22:08.36 | mnuhmnuh | infernix: SMP kernel? |
| 22:08.39 | Guerin | there's an interesting istinction outside the software world, in the Wizards of the coast Open Game License, which distinguished between `open game content' and `product identity', the former of which is copyleft, the latter, going well beyond normal trademark law, isn't even redistributable. |
| 22:09.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: ok, so I'm jws now, and I declare that my stupid warnings in cdrecord are documentation and cannot be modified. |
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| 22:09.26 | tarzeau | bodydrop: apt-get install a b c d e f |
| 22:09.31 | tarzeau | bodydrop: you can't run them parallel |
| 22:09.32 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: great, your software is non-free. Bye. |
| 22:09.37 | bodydrop | tarzeau: ah. |
| 22:09.39 | infernix | mnuhmnuh: yep, well i guess it is; it's the etch 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 22:09.46 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: but you're no longer letting the author decide! |
| 22:10.08 | infernix | mnuhmnuh: the bios reports it as a 3ghz cpu running at 1500mhz though, which is a bit odd i think |
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| 22:10.36 | krazykit | infernix, any cpu-scaling going on? |
| 22:10.46 | brainly-green | what do I need to make a shells script that reads the first character from a file as a byte? |
| 22:10.48 | jelly-home | Ok, so I need to define documentation first. :-) |
| 22:10.59 | brainly-green | and prints it as a number |
| 22:11.14 | infernix | krazykit: not that I can find in the bios, and not in the stock kernel i'd think. its a mini-itx board and there's little docs on it; no bios upgrades either |
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| 22:11.21 | rahul | brainly-green: od? |
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| 22:12.05 | infernix | afaik a hyperthreading 3ghz P4 (socket 478 in my case) should register as 2 cpus at 3000mhz in /proc/cpuinfo, but i'm not sure |
| 22:12.08 | mnuhmnuh | infernix: Linux tends to ignore bios, preferring its own interpretation. |
| 22:12.33 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: basically, it's a non-trivial problem... and frankly, at the end of the day, there's no reason to restrict people from doing what the DFSG guarantees anyway. |
| 22:12.51 | brainly-green | rahul: ok so od will give me a hexadecimal number representing the first byte, how do I extract that number? |
| 22:13.01 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: the only reasons to even consider it are purely pragmatical, and in the FOSS world those are kind of a non-starter. |
| 22:13.05 | brainly-green | what I specifically want to do is get a random number from dev/random |
| 22:13.06 | rahul | brainly-green: what is this "number" you speak of? |
| 22:13.35 | rahul | brainly-green: this is unix. everything is a file, which is a string of octets. |
| 22:13.38 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: well, that is the current status. |
| 22:13.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: what we need is gfdl-viewer, which greps out all the invariant sections |
| 22:13.57 | jjazz | jelly-home: Documentation can be defined. |
| 22:13.59 | brainly-green | so? |
| 22:14.03 | Guerin | out of sight, out of mind! |
| 22:14.06 | rahul | brainly-green: maybe you can backtick it into an expr command |
| 22:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the problem is that we can't even strip out the invariant sections from the documentation... if we could do that, we would and be done with it |
| 22:14.49 | jelly-home | jjazz: sure, that's on the todo list. ;-) |
| 22:15.03 | brainly-green | also I can't read the entire file |
| 22:15.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: not at a distribution level, but at a viewing level ... |
| 22:15.07 | jjazz | jelly-home: Hang on. I have a definition somewhere in my email stream. |
| 22:15.07 | brainly-green | I need to just read 1 byte |
| 22:15.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: indeed, the most recent GR on this issue has decided to ignore the technical problems with the GFDL so long as it doesn't have them |
| 22:15.39 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, so gfdl documentation is includable in main if there are no invariant sections? |
| 22:15.39 | rahul | brainly-green: man od |
| 22:15.45 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: currently, yes. |
| 22:15.50 | Guerin | that's sane. |
| 22:16.11 | Guerin | analogous to the line on patent enforcement |
| 22:17.13 | jjazz | jelly-home: Any part of the work released under this license (except source code or object code usually operated on by computers) that documents or describes the function, structu\ |
| 22:17.17 | jjazz | re, development or operation of the Program |
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| 22:18.09 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: here's a hint: PS is documentation but gets executed, and source code describes the function. |
| 22:18.10 | x_link | 26-Blueray.emerald I have a file called like that |
| 22:18.14 | x_link | How do I extract it? |
| 22:18.22 | x_link | I right click --> Extract Here. But that doesn't work. |
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| 22:19.09 | rahul | dondelelcaro: ah, but that's source to the documentation :) |
| 22:19.09 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Ah, yes, there are always edge cases. |
| 22:19.09 | Guerin | !htfswk x_link |
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| 22:19.10 | dpkg | x_link: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:19.10 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: well, they're not even edge cases, actually... |
| 22:19.10 | Guerin | jjazz: that's a pretty massive edge |
| 22:19.11 | jelly-home | jjazz: a Message-Id from a public mailing list would also be ok ;-) |
| 22:19.11 | AcuraX | Download the nonfree-flash plugin and everything works lol |
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| 22:19.31 | mnuhmnuh | x_link: "file 26-Blueray.emerald" |
| 22:19.31 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: If PS is documentation that gets executed, it wouldn't meet that definition of documentation, so would be treated as source code. |
| 22:19.39 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: Is the intention for that .ps to be docs or code? |
| 22:19.48 | brainly-green | ok so I want od -iN 1 /dev/random |
| 22:19.48 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: I don't know what PS is. |
| 22:19.55 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: I think it's both, frankly. |
| 22:19.58 | brainly-green | except that includes line numbers |
| 22:19.58 | x_link | mnuhmnuh: Thank will try that in my konsol enow |
| 22:20.03 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: it IS both |
| 22:20.10 | x_link | mnuhmnuh: Just file? |
| 22:20.13 | aredhel | brainly-green, od -N1 <inputfile> -i|tr -s " "|cut -b9- |
| 22:20.21 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Can I msg you? |
| 22:20.21 | Guerin | jelly-home: which license takes precedence? |
| 22:20.21 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: just depends what the author intended it to be. |
| 22:20.31 | Guerin | or, which definition from the license |
| 22:20.32 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: not about this issue, no. |
| 22:20.36 | Guerin | intent? |
| 22:20.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 22:20.44 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Fair enough. |
| 22:20.56 | mnuhmnuh | x_link: yup. that'll tell you what it is. From there, figure out what to do with it. |
| 22:21.08 | brainly-green | thanks |
| 22:21.21 | x_link | ok |
| 22:21.40 | brainly-green | thanks rahul & aredhel |
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| 22:24.38 | jelly-home | Eh, I have better things to do too than to discuss things that apparently have been chewn over before |
| 22:25.22 | jjazz | To me, the discussion is non-trivial, but I'll take a look at what -legal has said. |
| 22:26.05 | tarzeau | if i open red wine, for how many days can i keep it at room temperature, and it's still drinkable? |
| 22:26.17 | jjazz | tarzeau: Depends on the wine. |
| 22:26.18 | Guerin | tarzeau: depends on the wine |
| 22:26.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: 1-3 |
| 22:26.31 | jjazz | tarzeau: Get the pump that removes air. It improves shelf-life dramatically. |
| 22:26.39 | Guerin | vac-u-vin |
| 22:26.45 | Guerin | or stor it in the fridge |
| 22:26.47 | jjazz | tarzeau: But some wines are better after a day. Amazing, but true. |
| 22:26.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: after that does it make me sick, or just have a bad taste? |
| 22:27.11 | jjazz | tarzeau: If it smells like vinegar, it won't taste good, but it's not poison. |
| 22:27.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: it oxidates as time goes by, so it'll just decay |
| 22:27.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: or ripen, to a point, and then decay |
| 22:27.39 | Guerin | it'll never be bad for you |
| 22:28.04 | jjazz | tarzeau: If it's too old to drink, use it to cook. |
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| 22:28.23 | tarzeau | some dole (swiss red wine here), from like 3 or 4 days ago, doesn't smell bad |
| 22:28.34 | Guerin | the only way to know is to drink it |
| 22:28.48 | krazykit | mmm, vinegar |
| 22:28.52 | jjazz | tarzeau: Or to get somebody else to drink it. |
| 22:28.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:28.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: IIICK |
| 22:29.03 | Guerin | tarzeau: that bad, eh? |
| 22:29.07 | tarzeau | not even my plants want to drink that i guess? |
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| 22:29.15 | tarzeau | Guerin: REALLY bad |
| 22:29.15 | Guerin | time to make casserole |
| 22:29.18 | rahul | reds are better after they breathe |
| 22:29.22 | jjazz | or tomato sauce |
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| 22:29.38 | Guerin | tarzeau: swiss wines probably won't age well, since it's too cold to make really good wine there. |
| 22:30.03 | Guerin | rahul: not always the case, but sometimes true. |
| 22:30.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's from the canton "du valais". they've got a lot of warmth and sun |
| 22:30.10 | Guerin | of some whites, also |
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| 22:30.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: mm. really good red wine doesn't exist north of the alps. |
| 22:30.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: ack |
| 22:30.55 | rhys | Guerin, i just did a bit of reading.. |
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| 22:31.01 | rhys | isnt apache trademarked? |
| 22:31.08 | Guerin | rhys: probably. |
| 22:31.18 | rhys | why the hell is debian using it? |
| 22:31.19 | Guerin | i'm not sure of that case, but it seems plausible |
| 22:31.29 | rhys | and linux is trademarked by linux... |
| 22:31.29 | Guerin | rhys: because a trademark is different to a copyright? |
| 22:31.36 | rhys | linus* |
| 22:31.37 | jjazz | Guerin: apache foundation holds rights to the mark |
| 22:32.03 | rahul | FSF is (tm) |
| 22:32.17 | tarzeau | SUN is retarded |
| 22:32.17 | rahul | actually, probably (r) |
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| 22:32.24 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:32.27 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.28 | SexyKen | <SexyKen> but I dont have a floppy drive, is there anyway to make it work on a cd? |
| 22:32.44 | tarzeau | SexyKen: file the.img says what? |
| 22:32.50 | rahul | just mount it |
| 22:32.51 | tarzeau | SexyKen: you can probably just loopback mount it |
| 22:33.01 | SexyKen | Loopback mount the image? |
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| 22:33.10 | rahul | Loopback mount the image. |
| 22:33.23 | SexyKen | If I do that, will the installer recognize it as a disk? |
| 22:33.33 | jelly-home | SexyKen: what installer? |
| 22:33.38 | SexyKen | Debian installer |
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| 22:34.36 | spyro_boy | hello |
| 22:34.53 | Guerin | SexyKen: no. |
| 22:35.05 | SexyKen | ? |
| 22:35.14 | lvalue | hi, is there a way to record all commands a given user executes ? something like a .bash_history that cannot be removed from the user ? |
| 22:35.17 | Guerin | SexyKen: install to a plain ide drive or something and worry about raid once the install is up |
| 22:35.25 | Guerin | lvalue: no. |
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| 22:35.38 | SexyKen | Guerin, that's not an option |
| 22:35.39 | rahul | mmm crispbread with nutella |
| 22:35.41 | jjazz | lvalue: keystroke logger? |
| 22:35.46 | SexyKen | The BOOT drive is on an array as well |
| 22:35.47 | SexyKen | RAID0 |
| 22:36.01 | Guerin | SexyKen: get a not-shit raid controller |
| 22:36.05 | lvalue | jjazz, that would be too much.. |
| 22:36.12 | rahul | SexyKen: you should have gotten something that is supported by linux |
| 22:36.19 | spyro_boy | I just recently configued dual monitors on my Debian AMD64 system with my Nvidia 6200LE on my Dell and Commodore 64 monitors. Strangely after the successful configuration, I discovered that I couldn't reach my tty's (the terminals outside of X) and they appears to be green blocks on my screen where the tty is suppose to be. |
| 22:36.22 | Guerin | lvalue: back up .bash_history |
| 22:36.33 | SexyKen | Guerin, it's an adaptec aic-7902 |
| 22:36.36 | spyro_boy | Does anyone have any idea what this problem is and what the possuble solution is? |
| 22:36.38 | Flimzy | Wow... debbugs really isn't intended to be easy to set up, is it? |
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| 22:36.44 | jjazz | lvalue: Just split on the newlines. You'll get a lot of junk, but you'd certainly get anything typed at the commandline. |
| 22:36.45 | rahul | spyro_boy: buggy driver. |
| 22:36.51 | Guerin | SexyKen: by not-shit i mean something which is supported ootb |
| 22:36.51 | jelly-home | possibly something like selinux or grsecurity's rsbac can log every command run |
| 22:36.57 | spyro_boy | rahul, hmm.. really? |
| 22:36.57 | brainly-green | spyro maybe the color of your text is the same as the color of the background |
| 22:37.01 | rahul | spyro_boy: yeah |
| 22:37.03 | spyro_boy | :( |
| 22:37.03 | Exal | Hi, what is a debian buil server? |
| 22:37.11 | spyro_boy | rahul, recommendations? |
| 22:37.15 | rahul | spyro_boy: the ati driver used to have worse problems |
| 22:37.19 | SexyKen | cock suckers |
| 22:37.28 | Guerin | lvalue: why are you spying on your users anyway? |
| 22:37.34 | rahul | spyro_boy: steal the documentation from nvidia? :) |
| 22:37.41 | Guerin | SexyKen: fuck off back to your shitty hardware. |
| 22:37.41 | rahul | and then give it to x.org? |
| 22:37.42 | spyro_boy | Oh. Right |
| 22:37.43 | jelly-home | SexyKen: aic79xx should work with Debian installer |
| 22:37.56 | Exal | Hi, anyone can tell me what is a debian build server? |
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| 22:38.03 | brainly-green | try changing the background or text color |
| 22:38.06 | EvilDin | hi, how can be done VPS on debian ? |
| 22:38.08 | SexyKen | jelly-home hrm |
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| 22:38.10 | spyro_boy | brainly-green, that's not the problem |
| 22:38.15 | eldowan | VPS? |
| 22:38.18 | spyro_boy | I'll go see what Nvidia has to say about this. |
| 22:38.20 | rahul | VPN? |
| 22:38.20 | Guerin | eldowan: aptitude search vpn |
| 22:38.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:38.24 | Guerin | EvilDin: |
| 22:38.26 | lvalue | Guerin, i want to spy on me. got an intrusion recently and the intruder deleted the .bash_history when he was leaving |
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| 22:38.29 | jelly-home | eldowan: virtual private server |
| 22:38.30 | Guerin | err, vps |
| 22:38.42 | Guerin | lvalue: nice. |
| 22:38.45 | wydd | In my Debian Etch box I had to compile an application foo agains gtk 2.10.7 libs which are installed in a non-standard path (while the system-installed version is 2.8.20). It happens that foo does not inherit my gnome theme. What should I do? |
| 22:38.50 | EvilDin | how can be done |
| 22:38.57 | jelly-home | eldowan: vserver, or vmware, or user-mode-linux, or xen, or ... ;-) |
| 22:38.59 | h3sp4wn | spyro_boy: If you can be bothered building your own kernel you could try vesa-tng |
| 22:38.59 | jelly-home | er |
| 22:39.00 | Guerin | EvilDin: xen is the recommended way |
| 22:39.11 | EvilDin | xen? |
| 22:39.14 | spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, hmm? vesa-tng? |
| 22:39.24 | eldowan | jelly: Ahh, I recognize virtualization easier than VPS. I like vmware, although it is a little heavy and non-free... :D |
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| 22:39.48 | jelly-home | eldowan: VPS is a selling unit of your virtualization business |
| 22:39.57 | eldowan | EvilDin: What purpose are you going to be using your VPS. |
| 22:40.07 | lvalue | Guerin, besides, my commands are no secret, i use a lot ctrl + r and now i'm missing some of them :) |
| 22:40.08 | eldowan | jelly-home: so, just marketing double-speek? |
| 22:40.08 | h3sp4wn | EvilDin: Depends what its for if you are a cowboy outfit who wants to oversell (like alot of the cheap ones) you would use vserver |
| 22:40.16 | jelly-home | eldowan: same diff |
| 22:40.18 | EvilDin | there will be one ip on it, and apache2, mysql5 |
| 22:40.46 | SexyKen | Is aic-7902 software raid |
| 22:40.59 | eldowan | EvilDin: for a lightweight vserver, you could try qemu, or user-mode-linux. |
| 22:40.59 | rahul | EvilDin: why do you need that stuff on separate virtual servers? |
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| 22:41.19 | rahul | EvilDin: just run the daemons and you're done, and it'll be faster and simpler. |
| 22:41.24 | rahul | EvilDin: and more reliable |
| 22:41.32 | h3sp4wn | qemu is not suitable for that |
| 22:41.35 | EvilDin | that each user can restart apache2 and make his own mysql settings, php ... |
| 22:41.45 | jelly-home | rahul: because real servers are expensive! |
| 22:41.59 | rahul | EvilDin: oh, I thought it was just one of each |
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| 22:42.12 | EvilDin | what deamons, how, is it possible ? |
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| 22:42.37 | EvilDin | no i need that there is possible to on one dedicated server 4 VPS servers |
| 22:42.49 | jelly-home | EvilDin: I'd look into vserver, or Xen if you have hardware with virtualization capabilities. |
| 22:43.04 | EvilDin | yes i have :) |
| 22:43.30 | spyro_boy | rahul, I'm trying to search for the problem on nvidia's db, but I'm not sure what to search |
| 22:43.33 | war | did someone say sw raid?;) |
| 22:43.48 | spyro_boy | rahul, I searched for 'tty' but found nothing. |
| 22:43.49 | jelly-home | EvilDin: The place where I work at has vmware running on a 64-bit RHEL4 installation and it works well. |
| 22:43.54 | spyro_boy | rahul, any suggestions? |
| 22:43.55 | rahul | spyro_boy: console? |
| 22:44.11 | spyro_boy | searching.. |
| 22:44.15 | spyro_boy | cool |
| 22:44.19 | spyro_boy | I got a few resukts |
| 22:44.21 | EvilDin | will Athlon 64 3500+ |
| 22:44.21 | EvilDin | 1 GB RAM |
| 22:44.21 | EvilDin | 80 GB SATA HDD |
| 22:44.22 | spyro_boy | results* |
| 22:44.23 | spyro_boy | thanks |
| 22:44.26 | EvilDin | be good |
| 22:44.46 | rahul | EvilDin: you tell me |
| 22:44.51 | jelly-home | EvilDin: Heh, our server is a 2cpu dual-core 8GB RAM SCSI disks though. |
| 22:44.53 | rahul | how do I know what your needs are? |
| 22:45.19 | spyro_boy | http://tinyurl.com/3y7bn3 that seems to be my problem :( |
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| 22:45.27 | EvilDin | so will this actually work at me :) |
| 22:45.32 | h3sp4wn | EvilDin: are you planning on selling these to someone ? or just messing around ? |
| 22:45.40 | spyro_boy | Thanks for all your help, everybody. I'll try to tackle this problem down. |
| 22:45.50 | EvilDin | selling, about 3 VPS |
| 22:45.55 | EvilDin | is this too much |
| 22:46.47 | jelly-home | EvilDin: It will probably work. I'd put in more memory, but I've seen VPS being sold with as little as 48MB RAM per VPS, so 1GB might be enough. |
| 22:47.41 | EvilDin | aha, for now we will have to be happy with 1 GB ram, if we weill be good, we will upgrade and put some more ram in :) |
| 22:48.00 | jelly-home | dpkg swapped a lot on a 486 with 64MB RAM... I have no idea what people run on such machines |
| 22:48.13 | tarzeau | jelly-home: netbsd? |
| 22:48.16 | tarzeau | jelly-home: openstep? |
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| 22:48.43 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I think I was looking at debian preinstalled. |
| 22:49.13 | pickcoder | has anyone seen a sane driver for the Canon ImageRunner series? |
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| 22:49.47 | jelly-home | tarzeau: like this: http://www.budgetdedicated.com/ (not a customer and have no idea if they're any good) |
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| 22:50.17 | jelly-home | But they're running Xen and getting away with it. |
| 22:50.32 | h3sp4wn | I think they are one of the less cowboy like ones |
| 22:50.45 | row | Is it possible to send a url to a open firefox session over cli? |
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| 22:50.52 | row | so it opens said url in a new tab? |
| 22:51.09 | tarzeau | row: i wouldn't want to have to figure how, if it's possible at all |
| 22:51.30 | EvilDin | am one more thing is that i am interested in, i will have more diffrent ips, each VPS will have it's own IP, so will be possible to monitor traffic from main mashine ? |
| 22:51.36 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: Europe based implies no cowboys I think |
| 22:51.40 | EvilDin | with iptables |
| 22:51.41 | tarzeau | pickcoder: have you checked their homepage if it's supported by the latest version? |
| 22:51.56 | row | tarzeau: just me being lazy no biggy |
| 22:52.12 | jelly-home | EvilDin: that's for you to find out! |
| 22:52.18 | tarzeau | row: i've used links2 -g remotely quite often though |
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| 22:52.25 | EvilDin | am aha :) |
| 22:52.36 | EvilDin | i think it will work, but hey, let's see :) |
| 22:52.41 | pickcoder | tarzeau: they aren't listed, so I guess not |
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| 22:52.58 | pickcoder | I hate to spend $4000 on an imaging machine when we've already paid for one |
| 22:52.59 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: possibly - but to me cowboy implies doing stuff badly - overselling etc (seems alot of those vps companies are guilty of this) |
| 22:53.04 | tarzeau | pickcoder: birthday present? |
| 22:53.22 | pickcoder | except there's no linux drivers for the network scanner |
| 22:53.31 | tarzeau | pickcoder: sell it, and go to bahamas? |
| 22:53.33 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I wish |
| 22:53.39 | tarzeau | pickcoder: ebay.com for example? :) |
| 22:53.40 | helmut | Hi. After recent rumors about java and gpl I'd like to know whether sun java is dfsg-free now. This is probably a faq question (I didn't find with google), so please point me to something. |
| 22:53.52 | pickcoder | well we need the copier/printer |
| 22:54.12 | h3sp4wn | helmut: java6 was uploaded to non-free so I would presume still the class libraries are not gpl |
| 22:54.16 | pickcoder | I need to setup an imaging system for paper we get |
| 22:54.18 | tarzeau | helmut: it'll take some more time until it happens |
| 22:54.19 | lvalue | Guerin, ever heard of chmod +i ? it seems to give the effect of preserving logs, which was my original point |
| 22:54.37 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: thanks for the explanation |
| 22:54.52 | helmut | tarzeau: so there isn't a summary on talks yet? |
| 22:54.56 | djace | hrm, anyone good at networking? what overall speed does a 10-port 100mbps full-duplex switch manage? 10*100*2mbps or 10*100 mbps? |
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| 22:55.22 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: and I am in europe |
| 22:55.32 | tarzeau | helmut: try google groups for debian java sun |
| 22:55.37 | pickcoder | djace: 200mbps for each port as long as there are no slower devices on it |
| 22:55.44 | jelly-home | djace: the specs usually have a packets-per-second throughput |
| 22:55.48 | tarzeau | djace: depends on its backbone? |
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| 22:56.20 | pickcoder | djace: if it's a really inexpensive switch then the overall bandwidth will probably be much less |
| 22:56.21 | jelly-home | pickcoder: some really cheap devices can't give full throttle on all ports at the same time |
| 22:56.34 | djace | i say a theorical maximum of 1*100*2mbps, but my teachers say 1*100mbps (it was a final exam question) |
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| 22:56.38 | djace | :S |
| 22:57.00 | jelly-home | djace: if it's a switch, it should be able to do 10*100*2 |
| 22:57.04 | jelly-home | a good one. |
| 22:57.16 | pickcoder | 1*100mbps is underestimating it |
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| 22:57.23 | pickcoder | that's half-duplex |
| 22:57.47 | helmut | tarzeau: thanks |
| 22:57.49 | djace | woops, i say 10*100*2mbps, they say 10*100mbps :P |
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| 22:57.53 | rahul | jelly-home: except that you're counting the same data twice, in and out |
| 22:58.08 | djace | yeah, thats what i told them, well, i'll have to scream louder to get their attention... |
| 22:58.11 | djace | thanks guys :P |
| 22:58.17 | rahul | djace: they are right |
| 22:58.25 | djace | why? |
| 22:58.28 | rahul | 1 packet in results in one packet out |
| 22:58.42 | rahul | but it's only 1 packet of traffic, using 2 packets of bandwidth |
| 22:58.49 | djace | what if its MAC broadcast traffic? |
| 22:59.04 | pickcoder | switches don't broadcast |
| 22:59.10 | rahul | pickcoder: sure they do |
| 22:59.11 | jelly-home | arp! |
| 22:59.16 | pickcoder | no.. NICs broadcast |
| 22:59.23 | pickcoder | unless it is a hub |
| 22:59.24 | jelly-home | :-F |
| 22:59.27 | rahul | pickcoder: NICs unicast |
| 22:59.31 | pickcoder | w/e |
| 22:59.42 | rahul | there's no where else for a NIC to send its data :P |
| 22:59.56 | pickcoder | switches don't broadcast on their own |
| 23:00.00 | pickcoder | is what I meant |
| 23:00.02 | jelly-home | pickcoder: A nic is connected only to one single port. So switches do the broadcasting part. |
| 23:00.03 | rahul | so? |
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| 23:00.22 | djace | i never said they broadcast, i mean a nic does the broadcast, the switch repeat it across multiple ports |
| 23:00.26 | rahul | djace: hmm... I guess 9*100mbps is the max? |
| 23:00.27 | djace | right? |
| 23:00.36 | jelly-home | djace: still, it's even worse in that case. |
| 23:00.37 | rahul | or not quite... |
| 23:00.56 | rahul | djace: maybe 19*100mbps |
| 23:01.11 | rahul | no... hmm |
| 23:01.12 | jelly-home | rahul: quick, fire up an emulator! |
| 23:01.14 | infernix | my p4 3ghz seems to be running on the wrong clockspeed; /proc/cpuinfo and dmidecode output is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/319982 - can someone with a P4 around 3ghz compare this output with theirs? I suspect the bios of this board is broken. |
| 23:01.24 | pickcoder | 19GB? |
| 23:01.39 | djace | i should get my teachers to come here and listen to you guys ;) |
| 23:01.41 | pickcoder | no.. that's 1.9 |
| 23:01.42 | rahul | infernix: power management? |
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| 23:02.04 | rahul | well, let's see. max fanout is 1:9 |
| 23:02.06 | AcuraX | I have a logitech webcam what software do i use for it? |
| 23:02.07 | infernix | rahul: nothing enabled in the bios for it |
| 23:02.11 | AcuraX | Well to get drivers for it.. |
| 23:02.17 | pickcoder | infernix: did you disable cpufreq in the kernel source and recompile it? |
| 23:02.25 | karmatronic | AcuraX, what kind of webcam? |
| 23:02.27 | rahul | so at most, we can have 9/10 of total bandwidth in traffic |
| 23:02.31 | AcuraX | logitech quickcam |
| 23:02.32 | AcuraX | brb dinner |
| 23:02.33 | rahul | infernix: so? |
| 23:02.37 | infernix | pickcoder: this kernel i'm on has no cpufreq support |
| 23:02.42 | karmatronic | AcuraX, express or messenger ? |
| 23:02.48 | polishkoop | anyone know how to get a bcm4306 wireless card working on debian etch? |
| 23:02.51 | karmatronic | AcuraX, pro 4000 or pro5000? |
| 23:03.05 | jelly-home | rahul: one broadcasted packet occupies 1 in + 10 out bandwidth, right? Only one port can send broadcast at the same time. |
| 23:03.07 | karmatronic | AcuraX, what does lsusb say when you plug it ? |
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| 23:03.20 | rahul | jelly-home: no, 9 out |
| 23:03.26 | rahul | jelly-home: it doesn't come back, does it? |
| 23:03.33 | jelly-home | rahul: why shouldn't it? |
| 23:03.42 | rahul | jelly-home: because it already came from there |
| 23:03.58 | rahul | jelly-home: modulo ping-of-death |
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| 23:04.41 | pickcoder | infernix: you may want to ask in #kernel why it's being misreported |
| 23:05.11 | pickcoder | everything I've seen regarding that issue had to do with cpufreq scaling |
| 23:05.17 | jelly-home | rahul: mhm, you're right but I'm being stupid and can't figure it out why. So it's still 10*100. |
| 23:05.19 | infernix | pickcoder: judging by the bogomips output, the cpu is really running at 1500mhz, and not 3ghz. 1 mhz is roughly 2 bogomips |
| 23:05.35 | rahul | jelly-home: no, more like 18*100 |
| 23:05.35 | infernix | pickcoder: well this kernel is on my usb boot stick and has no power management at all |
| 23:05.44 | rahul | no, wait. |
| 23:05.47 | jelly-home | rahul: how do you figure? |
| 23:06.00 | jelly-home | rahul: can't broadcast two at the same time. |
| 23:06.01 | rahul | you're right, 10*100. |
| 23:06.18 | infernix | pickcoder: bogomips on a p4 xeon 2.8ghz is 5600; bogomips on this p4 3ghz is 3000 |
| 23:06.18 | rahul | all that's left is for the broadcaster to receive 100mbps from anyone. |
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| 23:06.31 | jelly-home | yup |
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| 23:07.20 | jelly-home | Gotta try killing a Cisco with an arp flood. |
| 23:07.44 | djace | so whats the final veredict? :P |
| 23:07.58 | jelly-home | djace: sounds like they were right |
| 23:08.01 | rahul | djace: 10*100mbps |
| 23:08.08 | djace | ouch :P |
| 23:08.18 | eldowan | polishkoop: I have heard you should try this: |
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| 23:08.45 | jelly-home | but if the switch had a Gbps uplink...! |
| 23:08.45 | grummund | hi, are there any procmail experts in the house pls? |
| 23:08.49 | grummund | anyone care to point out my mistake?: http://pastebin.ca/319973 |
| 23:08.54 | rahul | jelly-home: then it's not just a 10-port switch :) |
| 23:09.01 | polishkoop | deldowan: wha tshould I try? |
| 23:09.14 | Zarephath | How does one restart the samba daemon..I thought I could /etc/init.d/smbd stop/restart? |
| 23:09.16 | polishkoop | eldowan: what should i try?** |
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| 23:09.18 | rahul | jelly-home: a 10-port 100mbps switch would have 1 uplink and 9 normal |
| 23:09.24 | eldowan | apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter; wget -c http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o; bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.o; modprobe bcm43xx; iwconfig ethX essid access-point-name; dhclient ethX |
| 23:09.33 | eldowan | polishkoop: ^^ |
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| 23:09.54 | jjazz | Zarephath: samba, not smbd |
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| 23:10.08 | jelly-home | rahul: I have nice switches with 24 copper and 2 "uplink-ish" fiber ports |
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| 23:10.10 | eldowan | polishkoop: I'm not sure if it works or not, I haven't had a chance to try it on my 4318. |
| 23:10.11 | derelm | hi, i want to install packages from http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/ejabberd/i386/ with apt, but i don't know how to enter that correctly into sources.list. cany anyone please help? |
| 23:10.12 | polishkoop | eldowan: alright ill check it out, i got the fwcutter thing done. I haven't heard of the apsta.o thing though. |
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| 23:10.15 | djace | rahul, jelly-home: then why do switch specs always have a "switching capacity" value of 2*link_speed*num_ports |
| 23:10.26 | djace | :P |
| 23:10.30 | rahul | djace: because that's how much they can switch |
| 23:10.37 | rahul | djace: not how much traffic flows through them |
| 23:10.42 | evil_ | The debian installer says "No partitionable media when I try to install it.. I'm confused.. |
| 23:10.43 | Zarephath | jjazz: Ok, I ls'd the dir first and didn't see it...lemmed double check for the install.../etc/samba exists so I presumed it was there due to this.. :-( |
| 23:10.47 | eldowan | polishkoop: Hopefully it will be of help. I have no experience using the above, so I don't think I will be of much further help. |
| 23:10.51 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: "* $^Envelope-to: root@$MAILNAME\$" --> "* $ ^Envelope-to: root@$MAILNAME$ |
| 23:10.55 | jjazz | Zarephath: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 23:10.56 | Zarephath | jjazz: Thanks BTW |
| 23:10.58 | jjazz | np |
| 23:11.01 | djace | rahul: hrmm |
| 23:11.03 | jelly-home | rahul: no, that's how much bandwidth is used, the traffic is half of that :-) |
| 23:11.13 | jelly-home | rahul: you said it! |
| 23:11.18 | rahul | heh |
| 23:11.27 | rahul | yes, that's what I said :P |
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| 23:12.05 | Zarephath | jjazz: Guess I am confused...is it necessary to have samba installed if I just want to mount other shares be it windows, or linux? |
| 23:12.07 | djace | wait |
| 23:12.08 | jelly-home | djace: if one port sends 100mpbs to another, that's 100 mpbs of traffic but 200mbps total in+out. |
| 23:12.14 | djace | they used the word "speed", not traffic |
| 23:12.26 | jjazz | Zarephath: you want smbclient |
| 23:12.42 | Zarephath | I can just dpkg -L smbclient right? |
| 23:12.55 | djace | speed=bandwidth used? |
| 23:13.09 | karmatronic | Zarephath, apt-get install smbclient would be beter |
| 23:13.25 | jelly-home | djace: I think with the traffic/bandwidth explanation you can get somewhere. |
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| 23:13.31 | djace | yeah :P |
| 23:13.34 | djace | i'll try that |
| 23:13.36 | rahul | djace: vague, yeah |
| 23:13.38 | jjazz | Zarephath: dpkg -L will tell you if it's installed. apt-get will install it. |
| 23:13.40 | Zarephath | karmatronic: Why would I do that before checking to see if it is installed? |
| 23:13.41 | pickcoder | speed is relative |
| 23:13.43 | rahul | fight the power! |
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| 23:13.46 | Zarephath | It is there btw |
| 23:13.53 | rahul | pickcoder: so is distance |
| 23:14.23 | jelly-home | there is no speed. |
| 23:14.23 | CyberGabber | Zarephath: Read samba-article at : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-share-under-linux.html . Be sure to also install 'smbfs'. |
| 23:14.23 | rahul | it is only you that moves. |
| 23:14.23 | pickcoder | space and time are the same too |
| 23:14.24 | evil_ | The debian installer says "No partitionable media when I try to install it.. I'm confused.. |
| 23:14.24 | rahul | pickcoder: no, they are most definitely not the same. |
| 23:14.28 | Zarephath | CyberGabber: Thanks a bunch.. |
| 23:14.28 | evil_ | Anyone had this happen to them? |
| 23:14.36 | rahul | pickcoder: they are interrelated axes. |
| 23:14.39 | CyberGabber | It was busy with it a hour ago, and it helped me to solve the job |
| 23:14.53 | rahul | pickcoder: "the arrow of time" doesn't exist in space |
| 23:15.20 | pickcoder | if you say so |
| 23:15.36 | liable | evil_: sounds like your hardware isnt supported by the kernel. what drive controller is it? |
| 23:15.36 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: if i do that the mail simply doesn't get parsed by that block at all |
| 23:15.51 | mnuhmnuh | evil_: not Debian's, no, but grml.org says that about one of my disks. nothing else has any problem with it. |
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| 23:16.01 | rahul | pickcoder: hey, if I was wrong, then you could move backwards in time as easily as forwards :) |
| 23:16.11 | evil_ | liable, no idea..But I didn't have a problem in suse, slackware, or ubuntu :S |
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| 23:16.14 | polishkoop | eldowan: it didn't work. but it doesn't seem like the absta.o thing did anything |
| 23:16.20 | rahul | space vs. time is probably a broken symmetry |
| 23:16.31 | rahul | oy. which would mean gravitons should have mass!! |
| 23:16.44 | liable | evil_: which installer are you using? |
| 23:16.54 | jelly-home | time is a strange devil |
| 23:16.56 | rahul | spin-2 massive particles? |
| 23:17.02 | evil_ | liable: 2 dvd 3.1 r4 |
| 23:17.06 | rahul | lunchtime doubly so? |
| 23:17.24 | liable | evil_: are you botting with 'linux26' ? |
| 23:17.30 | liable | booting |
| 23:17.32 | eldowan | polishkoop: I found these instructions from someone in this channel a few months ago, and know nothing about their use. Sorry about that. |
| 23:17.32 | jelly-home | There should be a Godwin like Adams' law |
| 23:17.48 | evil_ | liable:No idea, I just hit enter when it says boot :P |
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| 23:18.06 | rahul | jelly-home: heh |
| 23:18.10 | polishkoop | eldowan: it's cool. I've been trying to get this thing working for a long time now. I haven't been successful at all.... I don't understand why it won't work. |
| 23:18.20 | rahul | jelly-home: the conversation has finally become ridiculous when someone quotes Adams? |
| 23:18.30 | rahul | but that's an obvious truth :P |
| 23:18.33 | eldowan | damn wireless cards. I'm really beginning to dislike them. |
| 23:18.42 | pickcoder | rahul: the correlation between time and space is so close that both can be derived from each other. Unforuntately, space is so large now that such calculations are inconceivable. |
| 23:18.45 | polishkoop | yah, tell me about it |
| 23:18.45 | karmatronic | eldowan, what s yours? |
| 23:18.45 | jelly-home | rahul: try having a conversation without someone eventually quoting DNA or Monty Python! |
| 23:19.01 | polishkoop | putting a cord from my modem to my room is pretty much not happening, so i have little choice |
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| 23:19.03 | rahul | pickcoder: gibberish |
| 23:19.07 | eldowan | bcm 4318 I believe. Acer 5000 series |
| 23:19.09 | Thug-N-Me | hi all |
| 23:19.10 | pickcoder | so we decide to reference our own solar system's movements |
| 23:19.15 | rahul | pickcoder: you can't "derive" either from each other |
| 23:19.19 | pickcoder | sure you can |
| 23:19.19 | karmatronic | polishkoop, what s yours? |
| 23:19.24 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: where's $MAILNAME defined? |
| 23:19.28 | Thug-N-Me | what the latest ecth release ? |
| 23:19.28 | pickcoder | if you base it on the big-band theory |
| 23:19.29 | rahul | pickcoder: they have their properties, just like electricity and magnetism do |
| 23:19.36 | polishkoop | bcm4306, it's a linksys wireless g with speedbooster |
| 23:19.39 | evil_ | liable: Do I need to boot with linux26? |
| 23:19.42 | pickcoder | both of those are interchangeable on various planes |
| 23:19.43 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: The topic refers to rc1. |
| 23:19.47 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: MAILNAME="`cat /etc/mailname`" |
| 23:19.54 | rahul | pickcoder: E & M are interrelated, but not derivable from the other |
| 23:19.58 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: sorry shouldd have said that |
| 23:19.59 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz is it save to install it ? |
| 23:19.59 | polishkoop | wmp54gs i believe |
| 23:20.02 | eldowan | polishkoop: What is the model on the linksys? wrt54g? |
| 23:20.06 | pickcoder | they are both based on electron movement |
| 23:20.09 | polishkoop | wrt54gs is the router |
| 23:20.11 | liable | evil_: probably. hit F3 when the cd first boots to see options |
| 23:20.13 | pickcoder | so you can't say they're not the same |
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| 23:20.16 | rahul | pickcoder: electric charge movement, actually :) |
| 23:20.16 | evil_ | k |
| 23:20.23 | pickcoder | er.. no.. |
| 23:20.24 | jelly-home | pickcoder: Each intelligent species eventually creates big-band music? |
| 23:20.24 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz or is just for expert people who only like testing it ( so testing ) |
| 23:20.39 | pickcoder | jelly-home: heh.. yeah swing is it! |
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| 23:20.46 | CyberGabber | Zarephath: In case of problems with SMB, look at : http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/linux_as_a_client_to_windows_smb_shares.html, for troubleshooting |
| 23:20.51 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: It's a release candidate, so it's actually quite close to something the Debian folks think regular users can handle. |
| 23:20.57 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: what's in /etc/mailname? FQDN? |
| 23:20.59 | pickcoder | electric charges are just differences in electron population |
| 23:21.10 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: duke.grummund.net |
| 23:21.14 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 23:21.16 | Ab3l | hi, how do i set named so that (assuming resolv.conf is set to 127.0.0.1) it directly resolve names from n-roo-servers-net then store in a cache ? |
| 23:21.46 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz when will be the final release of ecth ? |
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| 23:21.46 | rahul | pickcoder: quarks have electric charge and generate E & M forces |
| 23:21.46 | rahul | pickcoder: but how do you get time with just 3 dimensions of space? |
| 23:21.46 | pickcoder | jelly-home: big-bang..... is that better? |
| 23:21.46 | rahul | how does it get derived from x, y, and z? |
| 23:21.53 | polishkoop | for how popular this card is for desktops... im surprised at how undocumented it is with linux |
| 23:21.55 | jelly-home | pickcoder: to celebrate, I'll be putting Paul Anka - 01 - Eye Of The Tiger.mp3 now... |
| 23:22.10 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: No date is set. It is expected to be relatively soon, but there won't be a release until the thing is rock solid. |
| 23:22.10 | rahul | pickcoder: wtf? |
| 23:22.21 | rahul | pickcoder: quarks are not electron population |
| 23:22.35 | rahul | jelly-home: HEH. |
| 23:22.43 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz ok so i should wait any longer and start getting the net install cd of etch rc1 right ? |
| 23:23.13 | HymnToLife | Thug-N-Me, I think it's worth trying it now |
| 23:23.24 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: the trailing \$ turns that into literal '$'. Sans '\' would be newline. |
| 23:23.27 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: Nobody can make the decision for you. My *opinion* is that it's in very good shape. |
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| 23:23.48 | jjazz | (I did install rc1 for a friend a few days ago with no problems at all) |
| 23:23.57 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: There's no trailing $ in /etc/mailname, so it shouldn't match. |
| 23:24.16 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: it does match |
| 23:24.18 | AcuraX | I have a logitech quickcam messenger how do i get it to work? |
| 23:24.25 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz i wanna get rid of this shitty os :) |
| 23:24.35 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: the block is parsed right to the end |
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| 23:25.01 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: Go for it, then. I've been running Etch as a desktop since it appeared. I've never regretted it. |
| 23:25.08 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: All I can suggest is VERBOSE=yes. Sorry. |
| 23:25.10 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz going for a net install do i need to write down some fpt server or something ? or does the install cd have this in it? |
| 23:25.13 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: and the mail either goes to 'cron.mbx', or 'system.mbx' |
| 23:25.20 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz cool |
| 23:25.26 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: The install CD has it. |
| 23:25.26 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: ah ok. good suggestion |
| 23:26.02 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz ok nice then, whats the xsever that debian etch will use xfree86 or xorg ? |
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| 23:26.11 | jelly-home | Thug-N-Me: xorg. |
| 23:26.14 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: xorg |
| 23:26.23 | Thug-N-Me | lovely |
| 23:26.27 | Thug-N-Me | thanks guys |
| 23:26.33 | jjazz | Have fun |
| 23:26.38 | Thug-N-Me | i get back to you if i get any pronlems, hope not |
| 23:26.50 | Zarephath | Ok thanks |
| 23:27.39 | fozze | anyone here using instiki? |
| 23:28.21 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz one more thing , will mplayer in debian be able to play smb urls ? |
| 23:28.23 | eldowan | etch went into rc1? |
| 23:28.38 | jjazz | Thug-N-Me: I'm not familiar with those, sorry. |
| 23:28.51 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan looks like it does , yes |
| 23:28.54 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: the rc1 of the etch installer was quite a while ago |
| 23:29.01 | Thug-N-Me | jjazz ok ,np |
| 23:29.20 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: OK, I must be thinking of something else then. |
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| 23:29.31 | pickcoder | polishkoop: if it's broadcom based then the answer lies with broadcom's lack of open source initiative |
| 23:29.50 | jjazz | lack of initiative is a polite way of putting it |
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| 23:30.58 | Ab3l | if i set resolv.conf to "nameserver 127.0.0.1" - named will be able to work as dns server directly or need some conf. ? |
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| 23:31.32 | jelly-home | Ab3l: if it listens on that interface, yes |
| 23:31.36 | pickcoder | Ab3l: you will need zone entries for your domain(s) |
| 23:31.47 | aredhel | Thug-N-Me, mplayer depends on libsmbclient, so it should play smb urls. |
| 23:31.47 | eldowan | Ab3l: You wil probably set up a zone, and a forwarder. |
| 23:32.31 | pickcoder | yeah.. and a forwarder for non-local queries |
| 23:32.43 | Thug-N-Me | aredhel do i need to compile it myself with libsmbclient ? or i just install libsmbclient then apt-get install mplayer and then mplayer should detect libsmbclient and should work ?work ? |
| 23:32.45 | Ab3l | practically i just need that named resolve hostnames in place of my isp dns which is currently under manteinance |
| 23:33.03 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: if you apt-get mplayer, smbclient will be installed with it. |
| 23:33.29 | aredhel | Thug-N-Me, if you are runing etch, you should just be able to apt-get it. |
| 23:33.53 | pickcoder | Ab3l: put in /etc/hosts then |
| 23:34.10 | DerJamster | Ab3l: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-3.html |
| 23:34.13 | pickcoder | unless you need to serve the network |
| 23:34.28 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan , aredhel hope so last time i installed mplayer first then libsmbclient and it didnt work (on a diff os) if i install libsmbclient first might work |
| 23:34.30 | Thug-N-Me | thanks |
| 23:34.30 | jelly-home | aredhel: now that you've mentioned it, why the hell does mplayer depend on a samba lib? :-) |
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| 23:35.18 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: apt-cache show mplayer. it should show a list of dependencies. apt-get install mplayer will download and install the dependencies, and then install mplayer. (it should anyway) |
| 23:35.18 | DerJamster | Ab3l: or just use some public dns servers. |
| 23:35.41 | Ab3l | prefer a dns on my machine ;) |
| 23:35.42 | eldowan | DerJamster: Ab3l: opendns is supposed to be a decent public dns server |
| 23:35.43 | Ab3l | ^_^ |
| 23:35.50 | Ab3l | tried that |
| 23:35.53 | jjazz | Ab3l: I use dnsmasq, FWIW. |
| 23:35.54 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan yeah but i dont think that mplayer depends on libsmbclient |
| 23:36.02 | Ab3l | but often does not resolves hosts for (at least) |
| 23:36.04 | DerJamster | Ab3l: I'm running one on my server, so..yeah, I do too ;) |
| 23:36.07 | jelly-home | Thug-N-Me: marillat's build does |
| 23:36.08 | eldowan | apt-cache show mplayer | grep smb |
| 23:36.29 | Thug-N-Me | ok |
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| 23:36.49 | jelly-home | mplayer (1:0.91-0.1) unstable; urgency=low * Build with --enable-smb (...) Tue, 26 Aug 2003 |
| 23:36.50 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: if you want to customize your mplayer, it isn't hard to install from source. |
| 23:37.30 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan i will try it both |
| 23:37.36 | Ab3l | just another thing there's some security issue ? |
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| 23:38.42 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: try the version you can install from apt-get first. It will have all the features you *should* need. I only really recommend from source if there are things you want left out, or if you *need* a newer version. The version from apt is a very complete application. :D |
| 23:39.29 | Thug-N-Me | ok |
| 23:39.29 | h3sp4wn | Thug-N-Me: I would use the marillat / (debian-multimedia) version I haven't found anything it won't play yet |
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| 23:39.54 | Thug-N-Me | h3sp4wn even smb urls ? so mounted dirctoryes from a windows machine ? |
| 23:40.05 | Thug-N-Me | directory |
| 23:40.16 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan ok im going for the debian install now |
| 23:40.54 | h3sp4wn | Never tried it - but it has all the stuff enabled that will be never be allowed to be enabled in any dfsg version |
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| 23:42.09 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: if the smb share is mounted, mplayer should lay it transparently. What is dfsg? |
| 23:42.53 | h3sp4wn | !dfsg |
| 23:42.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 23:43.16 | eldowan | ahhh, factoids save the day again! |
| 23:43.29 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: he wants it without mounting (at least I get that impression)_ |
| 23:43.33 | Ab3l | OK THX EVERYBODY - BYE ^_^ |
| 23:43.59 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: That is what I figured, but then he said ....mounted dirctoryes.... |
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| 23:44.10 | Pc_Dark | how do I enable the make command for other users |
| 23:44.21 | Pc_Dark | It gives permission denied in /usr/bin/ld for tools/something |
| 23:44.24 | eldowan | sudo? setuid? |
| 23:44.40 | eldowan | Though I'm not sure it would be wise to let the users have root access..... |
| 23:44.41 | Pc_Dark | I'd like any regular user to be able to use the "make" command |
| 23:44.46 | Pc_Dark | not root |
| 23:44.49 | Pc_Dark | "make" command |
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| 23:45.00 | Pc_Dark | so they can compile psybnc, eggdrop, etc etc |
| 23:45.33 | eldowan | well, I think you can setuid the make binary, and then it would always be run with root access. But I'm not sure. check fakeroot |
| 23:45.39 | eldowan | !tell Pc_Dark about fakeroot |
| 23:45.51 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: any user should be able to use make |
| 23:46.06 | Pc_Dark | it errors though |
| 23:46.07 | Pc_Dark | I'll show |
| 23:46.18 | h3sp4wn | making make suid is a bad idea |
| 23:46.27 | eldowan | Pc_Dark: don't paste here, use a pastebin |
| 23:46.38 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: I figured as much. |
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| 23:47.00 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: are the users part of the "users" group" |
| 23:47.07 | Pc_Dark | http://paste.o-ss.net/?id=351 |
| 23:47.11 | Pc_Dark | I don't know |
| 23:47.16 | Pc_Dark | I just used the "adduser" command |
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| 23:48.41 | aredhel | Pc_Dark, that looks like a problem with the build system of the program you are trying to compile. Not with make it self. |
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| 23:49.10 | Pc_Dark | No, I can't use "make" at all on anything |
| 23:49.18 | Pc_Dark | It gets a permission denied error |
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| 23:50.33 | kozy | hi, I'd like to use Xen on my Woodcrest machine using Etch. Is it nessicery to use a special em64t kernel and what are the advantages? |
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| 23:53.42 | eldowan | kozy: I don't think it should be necessary. though on the machine installed in xen you might try a kernel that has the xen designation... |
| 23:54.50 | eldowan | hmmm. I would put off the last advice I gave, I'm not sure about that. |
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| 23:55.31 | kill-9 | is there any program to record videos of you're desktop ? |
| 23:55.32 | eldowan | Should the kernel packages designated with vserver or xen, or both be used at the bare metal level, or applied to installed virtual machines? |
| 23:55.38 | kill-9 | so i can record? |
| 23:56.47 | h3sp4wn | vserver only runs a single kernel |
| 23:57.06 | h3sp4wn | the debian xen kernels include both dom0 and domU support (use the same one for both) |
| 23:57.08 | AcuraX | I have a logitech quickcam messenger how do i get it to work? |
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| 23:58.50 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: and the dom0 and domU are the bare-metal and virtual installs? |
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| 23:59.52 | cleit0n | hi how i fixe this error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 23:59.55 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: pretty much (but that is the terminology used in the xen docs) |
