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| 00:01.52 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: OK, I haven't looked into either xen or vserver. So to make sure I understand correctly: If I'm going to use a machine for a virtual server, I would install the xen kernel on both the bare-metal install, and each virtual install, assuming I'm only using xen. And the same applies for vserver? |
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| 00:02.25 | Rockj | hmf, in what package would I obtain the command "ab" ? |
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| 00:02.32 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: No vserver only uses one kernel |
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| 00:02.47 | kozy | eldowan, tnx, I think I can go with amd64, for the normal kernel it shouldnt make a difference, I think for Xen it'll be the same |
| 00:02.55 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: Ahh, so the virtual install used the bare-metal kernel? |
| 00:03.14 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: its like jails on freebsd if you know them |
| 00:03.15 | cleit0n | please, how i fixe this error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 00:03.27 | eldowan | kozy: I've been running a virtual server on a 64-bit AMD and have had great luck sticking with the k7 kernels. YMMV of course.. |
| 00:03.29 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: all you need in the domU with xen is the kernel modules |
| 00:04.04 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: OK. I'll quit asking questions that I really don't need to know about, and probably wont use anyway. Thanks for the informative replys. :D |
| 00:04.22 | eldowan | Rockj: have you checked packages.debian.org? |
| 00:04.31 | aredhel | Rockj, apt-file is your friend: apache2-utils: usr/sbin/ab |
| 00:04.55 | eldowan | apache2-utlils. |
| 00:05.02 | h3sp4wn | kozy: xen doesn't work as well on 64bit as 32bit at the moment (if you wanted to use xen) |
| 00:05.15 | cleit0n | how i do to make other /etc/group ? |
| 00:05.21 | Rockj | Thanks :) |
| 00:05.34 | eldowan | kozy: It is for reasons like this I stick with my k7 kernel until all 64bit probs are worked out. |
| 00:05.53 | eldowan | Rockj: No prob. FYI packages.debian.org is a really great tool to remember. |
| 00:06.01 | eldowan | apt-file too. |
| 00:07.15 | Rockj | Ive had some troubles with apache lately, done some reconfiguration on system so going to stresstest it now with ab |
| 00:07.31 | cleit0n | whem i do this: debian-br-cdd:/etc# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/joe_3.1-0.2_i386.deb |
| 00:07.32 | cleit0n | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 00:07.45 | kozy | ok, but I have a new Xeon (em64t) processor, and what are the problems currently, using Xen and amd64 on Etch? |
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| 00:08.16 | jelly-home | grummund: btw, what does the first $ in * $ ^Envelope-to: root ... do? |
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| 00:09.21 | eldowan | kozy: some programs don't have a 64bit counterpart, which should be freasable to work around with some fixes, though I don't know them. As I don't have a Xeon to play with, and I don't use Xen, I really can't answer your questions. |
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| 00:09.47 | kozy | jelly-home, it marks the start of a logical expression I think |
| 00:09.48 | grummund | jelly-home: see the comments |
| 00:09.52 | eldowan | kozy: But I haven't heard of any *real* benifits to switching to the 64bit kernels yet, and the 32bits work fine for my workstations. |
| 00:10.11 | grummund | jelly-home: it expands $MAILNAME |
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| 00:10.33 | h3sp4wn | kozy: are you using more than 4gb of ram ? |
| 00:10.51 | grummund | jelly-home: i got it fixed now though (bloody mutt!) |
| 00:11.05 | kozy | h3sp4wn, I will be, yes |
| 00:11.14 | jelly-home | hah, I automagically ignored the huge preceding comment explaining the very same point. :-| |
| 00:11.36 | grummund | heh |
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| 00:12.33 | cilkay | kozy: you should ask on the Xen channel on irc.oftc.net Core Xen developers often hang out there and I've always found them to be helpful, if you know how to ask the right questions. Your question might be too general. |
| 00:12.59 | h3sp4wn | kozy: ask ##xen |
| 00:13.19 | h3sp4wn | kozy: (it was there I was imformed of the amd64 issues but they may have been since fixed) |
| 00:13.36 | kozy | cilkay, h3sp4wn, tnx I'll try it there :) |
| 00:14.34 | e1z0 | labos nakties! |
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| 00:15.10 | h3sp4wn | kozy: ##xen on freenode is more the users of xen - the one on oftc is a development channel |
| 00:15.34 | sid | How can I have apt-get give me a link to a deb? Like if I apt-get install foobar, how can I have apt-get tell me the url to foobar.deb? |
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| 00:16.13 | eldowan | I didn't think you could, sid. Would be nifty to know though. |
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| 00:16.33 | jelly-home | sid: apt-get --print-uris install foo |
| 00:16.39 | sid | thanks jelly-home |
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| 00:19.35 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: what was the fix? |
| 00:21.13 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: the procmail rules were made by cut and paste from mutt |
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| 00:21.42 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: i mean mutt displays From: Cron Daemon <root@duke.grummund.net> |
| 00:21.55 | christiane | Hello. How can I find out from which package a binary comes from? |
| 00:21.57 | karsten | Any good ideas to convert decimal values to binary (bitmap). Specifically using awk. |
| 00:22.01 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: but look at the mail spool directly and it's From: root@duke.grummund.net (Cron Daemon) |
| 00:22.05 | karsten | !tell christiane about search |
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| 00:22.41 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: i could have screamed |
| 00:22.46 | karsten | sid: apt-cache show <package>. That path is from your debian mirror. Or http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:22.53 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: But you were testing against Envelope-to: |
| 00:23.06 | eldowan | karsten: what do you mean dec to binary(bitmap)? |
| 00:23.16 | eldowan | s/mean dec/mean by dec/ |
| 00:23.36 | eldowan | integers? floating point? |
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| 00:24.04 | karsten | eldowan: eg: 46709 > 1011011001110101 |
| 00:24.18 | eldowan | karsten: Ahh, the bitmap threw me off. |
| 00:24.27 | karsten | eldowan: integer decimal I'm parsing /proc/<PID>/stat |
| 00:24.28 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: the Envelope-to matched... look further down in the pastebin |
| 00:24.40 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: Glad you got it. Consider mailfilter perhaps? Relatively English syntax. |
| 00:24.50 | karsten | Specifically sigignore / sigcatch. See proc(5) |
| 00:25.08 | eldowan | karsten: look at google search, awk decimal binary |
| 00:25.16 | eldowan | karsten: the first result looks promising. |
| 00:25.32 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: hmmm, maybe. or a mail client that displays raw headers! ;) |
| 00:25.34 | eldowan | karsten: check this link: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~sherwood/awk/decimal2binary.awk.txt |
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| 00:26.11 | eldowan | karsten: It looks pretty straight forward, using division and the ??modolous?? |
| 00:26.30 | karsten | eldowan: Danke, sec... |
| 00:26.37 | karsten | eldowan: Feh. Should be doing "shift". |
| 00:26.59 | eldowan | Danke? why shift? |
| 00:26.59 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: Hmm ... This could explain a few things I've run into. Thx. :-) |
| 00:27.10 | karsten | eldowan: It's a natural binary operation. |
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| 00:27.35 | eldowan | karsten: I had read that in awk, all numbers are decimal. |
| 00:27.51 | karsten | eldowan: awk has << >> operators. |
| 00:28.16 | karsten | eldowan: erm. lshift() rshift() |
| 00:28.20 | grummund | mnuhmnuh: mutt sanitises Return-path: too |
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| 00:29.49 | mnuhmnuh | grummund: I'll look into it. I use mutt too, and I like mutt. Interesting. |
| 00:30.08 | rahul | eldowan: numbers are numbers |
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| 00:30.30 | rahul | eldowan: numbers have no base. only when they are rendered as strings of digits do they have base. |
| 00:31.07 | eldowan | rahul: Just repeating what I had read about awk. Though I do like your way of explanation. I will need to remember yours. Thanks. |
| 00:31.20 | hooya | i've got a situation where a VPN device won't send icmp 3/4 messages. but does set the tcp mss at 1360 expecting to recieve packets with mtu of 1400. but a linux box seems to ignore the mss and keeps sending bigger packets. what can i do to set the mtu down? |
| 00:31.27 | rahul | eldowan: I read that my ass is hot |
| 00:32.08 | eldowan | rahul: But If I read that your ass is hot, not being experienced with your ass, I would assume that your ass is hot. Which, by the way, I am assuming now. :D |
| 00:32.11 | kozy | concerning em64t and amd64, it is merged in Etch, information here http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ ;) |
| 00:32.26 | mandingo | while creating a package, if I want it to remove/purge another package before hand, I can just put a apt-get remove --purge bleh in the preinst.ex correct? |
| 00:33.07 | rahul | heh |
| 00:33.16 | Guerin | mandingo: #debian-mentors |
| 00:33.20 | hooya | join #lartc |
| 00:33.23 | hooya | oops |
| 00:33.24 | rahul | it's official. I have a hot ass. |
| 00:33.31 | Guerin | mandingo: i don't think that's the way of doing it |
| 00:33.36 | Guerin | !win rahul |
| 00:33.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, rahul! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:33.43 | eldowan | All HAIL rahul's hot ass!! |
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| 00:33.50 | blazemonger | i've become microsoft free |
| 00:33.53 | mandingo | well, it's to remove another custom package basically. this is all in house shit |
| 00:33.57 | mandingo | I'll check out that other channel |
| 00:34.00 | blazemonger | Debian has liberated me |
| 00:34.01 | dvs | !beer blazemonger |
| 00:34.04 | Guerin | blazemonger: pour yourself a frosty beverage, you deserve it. |
| 00:34.22 | eldowan | Indeed blazemonger, indeed. Welcome to the microsoft free. |
| 00:34.31 | blazemonger | Guerin:I got audour the jack daemon and rosegarden working perfect |
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| 00:34.41 | blazemonger | got my midi working..took me hours to figure it out |
| 00:34.48 | blazemonger | next goal:build a low latency kernel |
| 00:34.52 | Guerin | blazemonger: nice. |
| 00:35.02 | unlink | XP home is a uniquely awful OS |
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| 00:35.09 | blazemonger | well i have a legit copy of XP and i lost my license number |
| 00:35.10 | unlink | it's crippled even for windows |
| 00:35.21 | blazemonger | and i got sick of having to enter a license number each time i had to reinstall |
| 00:36.14 | Guerin | this came with a bare-metal computer I bought for my sis |
| 00:36.14 | blazemonger | now i dont have to reinstall a os every few weeks |
| 00:36.14 | Guerin | though it came free, which is something |
| 00:36.15 | karsten | blazemonger: I've got a great site for hax0ring WinXP install keys. |
| 00:36.15 | karsten | blazemonger: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 00:36.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:36.15 | dvs | *gasp* |
| 00:36.22 | unlink | dude |
| 00:36.25 | unlink | at debian.org |
| 00:36.28 | blazemonger | lol |
| 00:36.30 | eldowan | Warez!! next its pr0n... tsk tsk |
| 00:36.34 | blazemonger | i dont need xp now |
| 00:36.42 | unlink | they liek totally have a cr4cked SMB implementation |
| 00:36.56 | blazemonger | now i plan to make donations to the audio projects i use now so i can see them improved |
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| 00:37.04 | hooya | blazemonger: i'm looking to do audour and the whole thing too.. what kind of sound card you got? |
| 00:37.05 | eldowan | !beer blazemonger |
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| 00:37.15 | blazemonger | i have a audigy |
| 00:37.18 | blazemonger | audigy 2 |
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| 00:37.22 | hooya | pci? |
| 00:37.24 | blazemonger | crap card but works |
| 00:37.25 | blazemonger | yah |
| 00:37.32 | eldowan | karsten: did you get your conversion working? |
| 00:37.36 | unlink | Guerin: finals? |
| 00:37.40 | blazemonger | yah |
| 00:37.40 | dvs | crap card? I guess for serious audiophiles. |
| 00:37.47 | blazemonger | well i am a audiophile |
| 00:37.56 | blazemonger | i got audour working perfect man |
| 00:37.59 | blazemonger | it's SWEEET |
| 00:38.07 | karsten | eldowan: BEGIN { while ( input > 0 ) b = d%2 b; b = rshift(b,1); printf("%016s\n", b) }' |
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| 00:38.16 | blazemonger | software that actually works |
| 00:38.21 | eldowan | karsten: Glad to see your working. |
| 00:38.28 | htaccess | hi, i am trying to make a .deb but when i install im getting a dpkg error: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10, where can i find out what status 10 means? |
| 00:38.33 | blazemonger | yah there's bugs and stuff but then again at least i dont have steinberg ripping me off on overbloated crap |
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| 00:38.51 | hooya | i've been eyeing maudio 1010 with the breakout rackmount. but it's kinda expensive so mybe on my birthday :( |
| 00:39.20 | hooya | blazemonger: do you also use midi control surfaces? |
| 00:39.23 | blazemonger | hooya: well contrary to popular belief, Linux is a perfect platform for audio development |
| 00:39.26 | blazemonger | yes i do hooya |
| 00:39.33 | hooya | what kind? |
| 00:39.34 | blazemonger | a friend of mine is a programmer and i got him into linux |
| 00:39.50 | blazemonger | i have a tascam controller |
| 00:39.55 | cat | blazemonger linux is made for programmers |
| 00:39.56 | hooya | nice. |
| 00:40.01 | blazemonger | im not a programmer |
| 00:40.07 | blazemonger | just artist/musician |
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| 00:40.21 | cat | right. |
| 00:40.28 | cat | but tell me programming under windows must sucks |
| 00:40.28 | hooya | blazemonger: what model? |
| 00:40.40 | blazemonger | us-428 |
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| 00:40.56 | blazemonger | and debian detected it |
| 00:41.03 | hooya | nice |
| 00:41.05 | sid | How do I do a file system check on an encrypted file system(that was setup from etch installer) |
| 00:41.12 | blazemonger | i tried Ubuntu and other distros..some were either too complicated or too sluggish |
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| 00:41.35 | blazemonger | i pretty much got into linux for music stuff |
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| 00:41.41 | hooya | are the faders powered? |
| 00:41.41 | sid | I tried e2fsck /dev/hdc5; but it told me couldn't find ext2 superblock |
| 00:41.45 | blazemonger | yah they are |
| 00:41.45 | cat | nice, |
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| 00:41.49 | hooya | nice |
| 00:41.57 | blazemonger | hooya:you use linux for midi sequencing too? |
| 00:42.08 | hooya | blazemonger: planning to. |
| 00:42.10 | blazemonger | i didnt know there were many people that used linux for midi purposes |
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| 00:42.15 | blazemonger | hooya:you will NOT regret it |
| 00:42.21 | karsten | eldowan: s/input/d/ in that |
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| 00:42.36 | blazemonger | the interfaces might be simplistic or somewhat but once you get it working it's nice |
| 00:42.45 | hooya | blazemonger: i've been researching and compiling the list of things i need to get to have a nice studio for myself. |
| 00:43.06 | blazemonger | it's like with jack all of your audio progz can be connected to each other |
| 00:43.25 | blazemonger | hooya: i want to learn how to program but i wonder if it's too late |
| 00:43.26 | blazemonger | lol |
| 00:43.43 | hooya | blazemonger: play guitar mostly so the midi stuff is going to be used just for patch switching on my effects processor and driving a drum machine ... |
| 00:44.12 | blazemonger | my friend that's the programmer he used to be a windows nazi until i showed him the open source audio progs for linux |
| 00:44.18 | sid | I believe I have a bad hard disk, but I'm not sure how to tell since it's an encrypted loop back file system. Should I do # cryptsetup create encfs /dev/hdc5; then e2fsck /dev/mapper/encfs ? |
| 00:44.21 | blazemonger | and he was like 'woah this has ALOT of potential" |
| 00:44.25 | karsten | eldowan: BEGIN { while ( d > 0 ) { b = d%2 b; d = rshift(d,1) }; printf("%s\n", b) } |
| 00:44.27 | hooya | blazemonger: it's never too late. try python. |
| 00:44.42 | blazemonger | you mean i can develop midi stuff in python? |
| 00:44.43 | Guerin | !alot |
| 00:44.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 00:44.49 | blazemonger | how hard is it to learn C/C++? |
| 00:44.52 | blazemonger | i suck at math |
| 00:44.52 | sid | I get same thing, couldn't find ext2 superblock |
| 00:45.06 | blazemonger | but my friend that's a programmer says i'm better than he is at math |
| 00:45.13 | sid | blazemonger: How hard is it to learn to speak French? |
| 00:45.14 | blazemonger | and im like whatever .. |
| 00:45.15 | dvs | blazemonger: it's easy to learn but hard to master. |
| 00:45.26 | hooya | blazemonger: that i don't know (python and midi). depends largely on if some midi app lets you do plugins in python. |
| 00:45.26 | karsten | sid: tres dificile |
| 00:45.29 | blazemonger | well i just want to build my own custom audio stuff |
| 00:45.34 | blazemonger | it might |
| 00:45.45 | blazemonger | i think some brilliant kid has done it |
| 00:46.07 | hooya | blazemonger: programming has more to do with logic than with math. |
| 00:46.45 | jelly-home | audio apps might have hard-realtime requirements |
| 00:47.45 | blazemonger | rosegarden works nice on my system man |
| 00:47.54 | blazemonger | it's alot less bloated than cubase is now days |
| 00:48.09 | blazemonger | i'm willing to donate to these projects |
| 00:48.53 | karsten | eldowan: Gives me (for my /proc/<PID>/stat parser): sigignore 536875008 10000000 00000000 01000000 000000 |
| 00:49.01 | karsten | eldowan: ... and sigcatch 83115 10100010 01010101 1 |
| 00:49.23 | karsten | eldowan: gsub( "........", "& ", value ) to space it out. |
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| 00:49.37 | hooya | should incoming mss on syn have any effect on outgoing mtu? |
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| 00:50.40 | blazemonger | not that i know off hooya |
| 00:50.46 | blazemonger | hooya what kind of gear you have? |
| 00:50.56 | karsten | hooya: mss? |
| 00:51.03 | hooya | max segment size |
| 00:51.13 | blazemonger | i have a korg ea-1 a es-1, a korg poly-61 synth which my friend is retrofitting for me |
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| 00:52.36 | lindenle | what would the debian equivalent of libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 be called |
| 00:53.27 | jello | is there a c++ newbies channel somewhere on oftc or freenode? |
| 00:54.08 | jello | i need to print an integer in hex... |
| 00:54.52 | jello | lindenle: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 perhaps? |
| 00:55.05 | aredhel | jello, #c++newbie? |
| 00:55.19 | lindenle | tried that I meant more specifically which version...b/c C++ api is always chaging |
| 00:55.53 | jello | aredhel: not many people there... |
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| 00:56.11 | sid | How can I test to see if I have a bad hard disk drive in my laptop? |
| 00:56.59 | mfrisch | sid whats it doing |
| 00:57.31 | jelly-home | sid: smartctl from smartmontools will report if there are SMART errors. badblocks can do a read test or a write/read destructive test |
| 00:57.33 | sid | mfrisch: I'm getting /dev/hdc I/O errors |
| 00:57.45 | jelly-home | sid: best to pastebin them |
| 00:57.53 | jello | lindenle: dpkg -L libstdc++6 |
| 00:57.53 | cilkay | Is it possible to have vncserver listen only to requests from localhost? I haven't found an obvious way to do this. It seems silly to have to have it listening on all interfaces only to have to use iptables to DENY access to all the other interfaces besides lo. |
| 00:58.04 | sid | jelly-home: I can't get my system to boot. |
| 00:58.11 | jelly-home | sid: use a livecd. |
| 00:58.18 | lindenle | jello: Yes I have done all the usual things but I need more info about what the versions mean |
| 00:58.39 | eldowan | sid: Why do you have hdc in your laptop? |
| 00:58.50 | jello | lindenle: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:58.53 | jelly-home | cilkay: which vnc server, does it have no relevant option in the manual? |
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| 00:59.34 | sid | eldowan: Because of the way the cables are setup? I dunno. eldowan my dvdrom is /dev/hda |
| 00:59.40 | eldowan | cilkay: If your server won't do it, use IP tables to only allow tcp/udp 5800-6000 from localhost |
| 00:59.53 | sid | eldowan: I only have one hard disk, and one dvdrom. |
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| 01:00.03 | cilkay | jelly-home: tightvncserver - didn't see anything in the man page to restrict to localhost. |
| 01:00.05 | eldowan | sid: Ahh, it is using dual ide channels. hda for your dvd, hdc for your hdd. |
| 01:00.11 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.37 | sid | jelly-home: ok the livecd is booted |
| 01:00.47 | aredhel | jello, out << "31 hexadecimal: " << std::hex << 31 << std::endl; |
| 01:01.04 | eldowan | cilkay: vnc uses the ports 5800 -> 5899 for vnc protocol, and 5900 -> 5999 for the http java server. Also uses 5500 for listening vnc server requests. |
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| 01:01.16 | jello | aredhel: thanks, but i need to put it into a string, and zero-pad it... |
| 01:01.23 | cilkay | eldowan: I know. I just didn't want to have to fiddle with iptables for this. |
| 01:01.49 | eldowan | cilkay: Yeah, you might check realvnc for that? it might have something like that. |
| 01:02.09 | jelly-home | cilkay: well, realvnc has -localhost |
| 01:02.22 | sid | jelly-home / eldowan / mfrisch also I'm using an encrypted file system, via the default etch d-i installer. |
| 01:02.38 | cilkay | eldowan: I would have preferred to install FreeNX but the only packages I could find for Etch weren't signed. I don't want to pollute my system with unsigned packages. |
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| 01:03.12 | eldowan | sid, I've no experience with encrypted filesystems, though I'll try to keep an eye on your conversation to keep up. :D |
| 01:03.21 | jelly-home | cilkay: are you trying to log in remotely, or would you prefer attaching remotely to an already running X session? |
| 01:03.27 | eldowan | cilkay: Why freenx? is it superrior? |
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| 01:04.26 | cilkay | jelly-home: manage a silly app server remotely that insists on the presence of a GUI. FreeNX can attach to VNC sessions too. |
| 01:04.48 | eldowan | cilkay: ssh -X? |
| 01:04.54 | cilkay | eldowan: yes. Much faster I've found. |
| 01:04.56 | jelly-home | cilkay: do you have X on the remote desktop? |
| 01:05.07 | sid | eldowan: I'm supposed to cryptsetup create blah /dev/hdc5; then that will creat an unencrypted map in /dev/mapper/blah; and I can do mount /dev/mapper/blah /; or wherever |
| 01:05.33 | cilkay | yes, remote X is painfully slow. FreeNX is the preferred way to do remote X. |
| 01:05.46 | jello | lindenle: check the oldlibs section of packages... |
| 01:05.53 | eldowan | sid: and I guess that you cant e2fsck the /dev/mapper/blah? |
| 01:06.02 | lindenle | jello: I figured it out |
| 01:06.06 | cilkay | NX is a more efficient implementation of X that's optimized for low-bandwidth connections. |
| 01:06.07 | mfrisch | sid: I have never seen it spit i/o errors with encrypted fs. I have seen fs s get corrupted. do a cat /dev/urandom >/dev/hdc with a live cd and if it continues the disk is bad |
| 01:06.07 | lindenle | jello: works now |
| 01:06.27 | cilkay | I've found FreeNX is faster across the Internet than X is across my LAN. |
| 01:06.27 | jelly-home | mfrisch: er NO |
| 01:06.41 | Guerin | that will destroy the patrtition table etc |
| 01:06.43 | jelly-home | mfrisch: that would destroy his data |
| 01:06.48 | Guerin | use badblocks and smartmontools |
| 01:06.56 | eldowan | cilkay: Really? and it will attach to vnc sessions? how about RDP? |
| 01:06.58 | Guerin | these are non-destructive |
| 01:07.05 | capiira | by talking of encryption if where are the keys saved, mbr? |
| 01:07.12 | capiira | -if |
| 01:07.56 | cilkay | eldowan: there's a way you can use it with RDP too, though I've never used that option. |
| 01:08.07 | mfrisch | jelly-home: if the disk is going bad the data is allready compromised, I had similar problems when reiser came out. |
| 01:08.24 | cilkay | eldowan: and yes, it will attach to vnc sessions. Forget about screen sharing though. I haven't found a way to do that with FreeNX yet. |
| 01:08.29 | jelly-home | mfrisch: I don't know that the disk is going bad. |
| 01:08.29 | Guerin | mfrisch: yes, but some of it may still be salvagable |
| 01:08.47 | eldowan | cilkay: hmm. I might have to try NX then. Where did you find the unsigned debs? |
| 01:08.58 | Guerin | it's impossible to know if the disk is going bad until the disk is tested - apart from the filesystem/encryption |
| 01:09.14 | Guerin | which is why you use badblocks and smart |
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| 01:09.17 | mfrisch | Guerin: agreeded |
| 01:09.40 | jelly-home | cilkay: well. I use x11vnc to connect from home to my already running X at work |
| 01:09.45 | capiira | so where are the cryptsetup luks keys saved, into MBR? |
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| 01:10.14 | cilkay | eldowan: http://packages.debianbase.de/ |
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| 01:10.23 | Thug-N-Me | hi all |
| 01:10.23 | cilkay | jelly-home: across an ssh tunnel? |
| 01:10.30 | jelly-home | cilkay: yup |
| 01:10.30 | Thug-N-Me | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 01:10.31 | Thug-N-Me | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 01:10.34 | cilkay | That's the only way I'd run VNC. |
| 01:10.37 | Thug-N-Me | need to get rid of that |
| 01:10.46 | Guerin | !topicbadger Thug-N-Me |
| 01:10.47 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Thug-N-Me didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 01:10.54 | eldowan | !tell Thug-N-Me about no public key |
| 01:11.09 | eldowan | Guerin: I like hte topicbadger!! nice. |
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| 01:11.17 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan i know there is no key but where do i get the key from ? |
| 01:11.26 | cilkay | Umm.. before you jump all over him, I get the same message despite having that package installed. |
| 01:11.30 | jelly-home | cilkay: it's all wrapped in vpn, but I feel paranoid enough to think that local lan might be compromised too ;-) |
| 01:11.32 | Guerin | Thug-N-Me: don't make me fucking do it again |
| 01:11.38 | dvs | do it! |
| 01:11.46 | Thug-N-Me | Guerin im reading it now |
| 01:11.53 | Guerin | cilkay: you probably need to upgrade |
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| 01:11.59 | Thug-N-Me | Guerin and stop fucking swearing |
| 01:11.59 | Guerin | cilkay: to the latest version of the package |
| 01:12.00 | cilkay | Upgrade Etch? |
| 01:12.21 | Guerin | Thug-N-Me: there's nothing fucking wrong with fucking swearing, in the right fucking context ;) |
| 01:12.28 | cilkay | idiot |
| 01:12.31 | Guerin | cilkay: just the package, to whatever is latest in etch. |
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| 01:12.37 | capiira | hmmm if cryptsetup saves the key into mbr that would mean that a new install of grub or anything else like that would kill the encrypted disk, right ? |
| 01:12.54 | rahul | wtf is with all this fucking bad language you stupid shits are using? |
| 01:12.55 | Guerin | if that's the case already, check the BTS and file a bug if necessary |
| 01:12.59 | Thug-N-Me | Guerin aight fuck it then :) |
| 01:13.26 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: you got it fixed? |
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| 01:13.38 | FFForever | how do i install java 6? |
| 01:13.42 | Thug-N-Me | !pastebin |
| 01:13.42 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 01:13.46 | jelly-home | java 6? |
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| 01:14.01 | FFForever | yeah i have the jre6 bin file |
| 01:14.04 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan look at my source.list http://pastebin.ca/320067 |
| 01:14.06 | sussudio | FFForever: ask your ubuntu pals |
| 01:14.16 | FFForever | they are not helping me lol |
| 01:14.20 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan to me doesnt seen to be anything wrong there |
| 01:14.23 | Guerin | FFForever: neither are we. |
| 01:14.25 | sussudio | debian isn't ubuntu. |
| 01:14.30 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: did you see this? |
| 01:14.37 | eldowan | !tell Thug-N-Me about etch key |
| 01:14.40 | chris_goe | can anyone recommend a *small* MTA for a router-like host, only putting mails from the cronjobs into an inbox? |
| 01:14.41 | Guerin | FFForever: suggest you follow the instructions given by sun |
| 01:14.43 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan works dpkg told me something :) |
| 01:14.56 | Guerin | chris_goe: ssmpt or nullmailer |
| 01:14.57 | eldowan | !tell Thug-N-Me about 2006 key |
| 01:15.00 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan yeah |
| 01:15.08 | Guerin | chris_goe: s/pt/tp/ |
| 01:15.14 | chris_goe | but nullmailer wants to send mails to somewhere else |
| 01:15.15 | amphi | chris_goe: nullmailer perhaps |
| 01:15.20 | chris_goe | I've just installed nullmailer |
| 01:15.32 | eldowan | one of those should help. your sources.list should be correct if you are getting that key as the one. and try installing apt-keyring or somesuch. |
| 01:15.37 | Guerin | chris_goe: mm, doesn't it do local delivery? |
| 01:15.38 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan did you have a look at my source.list ? just in case might be something wrong with this non-free contrib stuff |
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| 01:15.54 | chris_goe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.03 | chris_goe | and that after just "dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 01:16.12 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan debian-multimedia.org should also have non-free ? and contrib ? |
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| 01:16.17 | jelly-home | Guerin: he'd need a MDA for local delivery. ssmtp doesn't do it either |
| 01:16.20 | eldowan | no. |
| 01:16.27 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: multimedia has only main. |
| 01:16.43 | chris_goe | jelly-home, yes, and MDA...right |
| 01:16.45 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan so its good how it is then |
| 01:16.46 | chris_goe | -d |
| 01:16.53 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 01:16.54 | Guerin | weird |
| 01:16.57 | chris_goe | probably started via inetd |
| 01:17.02 | jelly-home | meh, install exim4-.*-light and make it listen on localhost only |
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| 01:17.14 | chris_goe | this way it won't consume precious memory |
| 01:17.32 | chris_goe | exim4-light, as inetd service...hm |
| 01:17.33 | eldowan | assuming that debian.hands.com is a trusted server, yes. |
| 01:17.33 | Guerin | jelly-home: sane. |
| 01:17.38 | eldowan | Thug-N-Me: assuming that debian.hands.com is a trusted server, yes. |
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| 01:18.17 | Thug-N-Me | eldowan hope so |
| 01:18.19 | eldowan | does freenode support ssl? |
| 01:18.39 | Guerin | eldowan: i believe so. Check th website |
| 01:18.44 | chris_goe | boy, I'm tired: i read: "does freebsd support ssl".... |
| 01:18.53 | unlink | dammit |
| 01:18.56 | unlink | me too |
| 01:19.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:21.09 | blazemonger | let's bring rational thinking back to planet Earth |
| 01:21.13 | dvs | heh |
| 01:21.14 | blazemonger | who here is a space alien? |
| 01:21.16 | dvs | no chance of that |
| 01:21.20 | blazemonger | dvs: there is |
| 01:21.34 | blazemonger | I'm not religious but I do believe in Divine Intervention |
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| 01:21.44 | jelly-home | step one, kill most of the humans |
| 01:21.50 | brainly-green | gerbils are awesome |
| 01:21.54 | dvs | No, Kill All Humans! |
| 01:22.06 | jelly-home | dvs: no, I know a few decent ones |
| 01:22.07 | mfrisch | whats dive about intervention |
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| 01:22.23 | blazemonger | dvs:not me :) i'm one of the rare good humans :) |
| 01:22.30 | stoned | modem |
| 01:22.31 | blazemonger | 7 ft tall |
| 01:22.32 | dvs | jelly-home: That's actually a video game |
| 01:22.42 | brainly-green | microsoft has been successful because of its feminine name "MS" like Ms. |
| 01:22.45 | dvs | stoned: monitor |
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| 01:23.31 | dvs | brainly-green: sounds like a disease to me |
| 01:23.34 | blazemonger | thing is.most humans have already enslaved themselves..voluntarily |
| 01:23.50 | dvs | blazemonger: to work? |
| 01:23.52 | brainly-green | a disease? |
| 01:24.00 | brainly-green | multiple sclerosis |
| 01:24.02 | liable | how zen |
| 01:24.02 | blazemonger | microsoft: the cause of AIDS |
| 01:24.08 | dvs | brainly-green: yup |
| 01:24.54 | brainly-green | yeah but I think most people subconsciously think of it as "Ms." and like the feminine allure |
| 01:24.57 | jelly-home | brainly-green: We don't have mad scientists to produce intelligent gerbils |
| 01:25.07 | eldowan | freenode doesn't provide ssl, but oftc does. Go figure. |
| 01:25.32 | mfrisch | brainly-green: I think Mac is more a chick os |
| 01:25.36 | stoned | dvs, ? |
| 01:25.45 | dvs | stoned: you said "modem" |
| 01:25.48 | stoned | when? |
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| 01:25.56 | dvs | <stoned> modem |
| 01:26.00 | brainly-green | hey I use a mac |
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| 01:26.07 | brainly-green | no, it's mac like mac truck |
| 01:26.09 | stoned | dvs, you're seeing things |
| 01:26.11 | dvs | stoned: it just scrolled off my screen |
| 01:26.24 | eldowan | stoned: see, right here: <stoned> modem |
| 01:26.25 | stoned | dvs, why would I just randomly come out and say modem |
| 01:26.28 | eldowan | you said it again. |
| 01:26.30 | jelly-home | stoned: no, just 4 minutes ago |
| 01:26.33 | stoned | eldowan, dude! you screwed it up |
| 01:26.33 | stoned | @! |
| 01:26.34 | [Marvin] | Hey, what's being used for console-based network config in etch now that etherconf is obsolete? |
| 01:26.35 | ravenbird | from memory, ! is what my sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not |
| 01:26.35 | stoned | damn you |
| 01:26.40 | dvs | heh |
| 01:26.48 | jelly-home | He did it too: <dvs> <stoned> modem |
| 01:27.11 | stoned | no but I could mess with him |
| 01:27.18 | stoned | convince him that he is seeing thing |
| 01:27.20 | jelly-home | with whom? |
| 01:27.23 | hooya | is there a way to add a route based on the mac address? |
| 01:27.27 | eldowan | hmmm. a devious stoned modem? I didn't know that they made those... |
| 01:27.27 | stoned | dvs of course |
| 01:27.35 | liable | [Marvin]: ifconfig i guess, or you after a curses thing? |
| 01:27.35 | jelly-home | stoned: there's no dvs here |
| 01:27.37 | Thug-N-Me | how do i use gtkspell, libsexy with xchat ? |
| 01:27.38 | dvs | It sounds more like "The Argument Clinic" to me |
| 01:27.44 | dvs | hahahahahahahah |
| 01:27.48 | eldowan | stoned: did you know there is a factoid w/ your name? |
| 01:27.50 | eldowan | !stoned |
| 01:27.54 | stoned | jelly-home, right, I'm seeing things |
| 01:28.02 | jelly-home | stoned: You said it! |
| 01:28.17 | dvs | stoned: that's what you get for working for Dell |
| 01:28.39 | stoned | lol |
| 01:28.40 | [Marvin] | liable, yeah... |
| 01:28.42 | stoned | assholes! |
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| 01:29.02 | dvs | stoned: do they drive really slow in the ultra-fast lane? |
| 01:29.04 | liable | [Marvin]: well, i dont know of one :P |
| 01:29.11 | Mark_Iron | Hi :-) |
| 01:29.11 | [Marvin] | Guess it's My Favourite Editor and /etc/network/interfaces :-p |
| 01:29.14 | stoned | dvs, I drive 5-10 miles and hour these days |
| 01:29.18 | stoned | an/hour |
| 01:29.30 | stoned | no matter which lane |
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| 01:30.08 | eldowan | dvs: stoned: do you figure they park in handy capped spaces too? |
| 01:30.14 | Mark_Iron | Question: how can I create a local debian pool (or use existing one) and add some additionals debian packages to it? |
| 01:30.21 | dvs | eldowan: exactly! ;-) |
| 01:30.33 | stoned | er.. head |
| 01:30.48 | stoned | I want to grow up and be a powersupply unit |
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| 01:31.23 | liable | thats a good song |
| 01:31.28 | jelly-home | Mark_Iron: apt-mirror, maybe |
| 01:31.37 | eldowan | liable: and a better video. |
| 01:31.42 | Mark_Iron | thank you jelly-home :) |
| 01:31.48 | dvs | eldowan: oh! I'd love to see the video! |
| 01:31.54 | liable | eldowan: i dont believe i have seen the video |
| 01:32.00 | eldowan | dvs: check out the no cure for cancer DVD |
| 01:32.05 | eldowan | liable: ^^ |
| 01:32.05 | stoned | !toner |
| 01:32.05 | dpkg | i heard toner is Basically, it's ink in dust form. It is specially formulated to be sticky and to melt at a couple hundred degrees. |
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| 01:32.48 | Mark_Iron | !pool |
| 01:32.48 | dpkg | well, pool is http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 01:32.48 | maxamillion | what command would i give aptitude to list all currently installed packages? |
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| 01:32.51 | eldowan | Toner: just one letter away from sitting in the corner... |
| 01:33.00 | jelly-home | modem |
| 01:33.11 | dvs | ah!!!! |
| 01:33.13 | Thug-N-Me | how do i change language spelling for xchat ? |
| 01:33.18 | liable | it must be sunday, surely.. |
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| 01:33.38 | ken_ | yo |
| 01:33.40 | ken_ | how's everyone ? |
| 01:33.46 | stoned | hadooo ken |
| 01:33.53 | eldowan | maxamillion: dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:34.16 | eldowan | dvs: get out of the ultra fast lane! |
| 01:34.23 | dvs | heh |
| 01:34.49 | stoned | dvs, there used to be a mid 90's dance group boy band type techno music artists. Called D.V.S. |
| 01:34.55 | stoned | dvs, heard of em? |
| 01:35.00 | dvs | stoned: nope |
| 01:35.07 | stoned | famous song |
| 01:35.10 | stoned | Addicted To Love |
| 01:35.16 | maxamillion | eldowan: thanks |
| 01:35.28 | dvs | stoned: isn't that Robert Palmer? |
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| 01:35.34 | stoned | maybe there are more than a few songs with that title |
| 01:35.41 | dvs | no doubt |
| 01:35.41 | stoned | maybe its a remix |
| 01:35.43 | stoned | who knows |
| 01:35.43 | eldowan | maxamillion: No prob. Why, if I may ask? |
| 01:35.58 | stoned | why is he thanking you |
| 01:36.04 | stoned | its a thank you, take it and shush :) |
| 01:36.18 | maxamillion | eldowan: just curious... i am thinking about writting a python script to automate some commands |
| 01:36.20 | eldowan | stoned: speak no of which you know not. |
| 01:36.26 | stoned | eldowan, leg pulling man |
| 01:36.43 | stoned | I'm pullin on it |
| 01:36.53 | eldowan | do you really think I'd be that much of an ass seriously, so quickly? You really do have no sense of humour. |
| 01:37.03 | stoned | my sense of humor is whacked out |
| 01:37.12 | eldowan | maxamillion: You might find the factoid <debian clone> interesting. |
| 01:37.13 | stoned | its more of a serious sarcastic humor |
| 01:37.18 | stoned | very unorthodox |
| 01:37.20 | jelly-home | so whack it in back |
| 01:37.29 | Thug-N-Me | !java |
| 01:37.29 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 01:38.28 | jelly-home | does dpkg --set-selections work with aptitude's notions of what should be installed too? |
| 01:38.31 | maxamillion | eldowan: good to know ... thanks |
| 01:38.33 | eldowan | stoned: usually unorthodox implies something *does*, infact, exist. |
| 01:39.21 | stoned | eldowan, oh it does. I'm a very funny guy. Loads of humor. |
| 01:40.03 | eldowan | stoned: funy as in funny looking? You know that laughs when people look at you dont cound as a sense of humour. |
| 01:40.09 | eldowan | stoned: you do know that, right? |
| 01:40.17 | fooz | Play nice, children. |
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| 01:40.37 | eldowan | fooz: I am being nice. :D |
| 01:41.02 | stoned | eldowan, if I'd meant funny looking, I'd have said funny looking. |
| 01:41.56 | ken_ | hey, i was having a problem the other day with installing debian using the etch rc 1 installer -- specifically installing to an encrypted partition on raid (md) partitions |
| 01:41.57 | eldowan | nah, you're stoned and everyone knows that 'it' leads to hysterical sadism and lust for murder. Just look at the decades old ads from your friendly US Govt... :D |
| 01:42.04 | ken_ | anyone got any experience with that ? |
| 01:42.30 | eldowan | ken_: can you get each setup solo? a raid array, and an encrypted volume without raid? |
| 01:43.33 | ken_ | eldowan: i have raid working through the setup just fine, but i haven't tried just using encryption |
| 01:43.40 | ken_ | eldowan: i can try that right now, if you'd like |
| 01:44.05 | mfrisch | ken_: I got dm-crypt working with lvm |
| 01:44.21 | ken_ | mfrisch: i wasn't using lvm |
| 01:44.30 | eldowan | ken_: I have no experience, but was just doing a little basic trouble shooting to make sure your system can handle encryption. |
| 01:44.34 | ken_ | mfrisch: lvm doesn't seem necessary, but i can try it with lvm |
| 01:44.35 | mfrisch | ken_: yes I know |
| 01:45.08 | blazemonger | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/mcnewbie/PICT0002.jpg |
| 01:45.10 | blazemonger | read that |
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| 01:45.18 | blazemonger | it's a photo of a epitath a friend of mine took |
| 01:45.44 | mfrisch | ken_: It won't be raided |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | /proc/<pid>/stat parser, output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5119 |
| 01:46.06 | ken_ | mfrisch: is it possible to do lvm w/ encryption on top of raid ? |
| 01:46.20 | eldowan | karsten: looks really nice. :D |
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| 01:46.40 | karsten | eldowan: Thanks. |
| 01:46.47 | ken_ | mfrisch: what's funny is that i know i can get encryption setup just fine without the installer -- but hey, whatever, the feature is "there" so may as well try it |
| 01:46.50 | mfrisch | ken_: was just going to say that. yes never tried |
| 01:46.51 | karsten | eldowan: The real inspiration was to get something to do starttime. |
| 01:46.55 | eldowan | karsten: I can almost see it's usefullnes. How would you use this? |
| 01:47.13 | karsten | eldowan: That's noted in jiffies from system boot. /proc/uptime gives you seconds of uptime. Jiffies == 100*s. |
| 01:47.15 | jelly-home | I think kernel has historically had some trouble with stacking a lot of modules.. raid + crypt sounds something like that (raid + lvm + crypt even more) |
| 01:47.28 | ken_ | mfrisch: i think i'm going to forego it anyway, i really need to use independent keys on a usb-drive anyways |
| 01:47.31 | karsten | eldowan: There's a few things top, ps, etc., don't tell you. |
| 01:47.42 | mfrisch | ken_: its nice because it sets up / crypted |
| 01:47.48 | karsten | eldowan: Like process start time. |
| 01:48.07 | eldowan | karsten: what use are the hex values for? startcode...kstkeip and wchan? |
| 01:48.15 | ken_ | mfrisch: yeah -- i got the installer to work, but when it booted it couldn't mount the root or anything |
| 01:48.18 | karsten | eldowan: Memory addresses. man 5 proc |
| 01:48.24 | kundell | what is the minimum system required on a new hd to able to do a restore fr a rsync backup hd? |
| 01:48.24 | ken_ | mfrisch: i think the installer got "confused" |
| 01:48.39 | eldowan | karsten: why would you need the binary ov sigignore and sigcatch? |
| 01:48.45 | mfrisch | ken_: I know why....use a seperate /boot |
| 01:48.46 | karsten | kundell: size of data pluss a little bit. |
| 01:48.58 | karsten | eldowan: They were there. And they're bitmaps. |
| 01:49.05 | ken_ | mfrisch: i did -- it was a separate boot partition, raid1 with grub ;) |
| 01:49.18 | ken_ | mfrisch: not encrypted |
| 01:49.26 | eldowan | karsten: OK then. |
| 01:50.12 | mfrisch | ken_: hmm does it get to the luks prompt? |
| 01:50.16 | karsten | eldowan: sigignore == 1,18 |
| 01:50.26 | ken_ | mfrisch: i can't remember -- |
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| 01:50.34 | karsten | eldowan: ... sigcatch == 1,3,4,7,10-17 |
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| 01:50.47 | kundell | karsten: i regularly backup / to a hd. if my present hd crashed beyond repair, i want to know is the minimum i need to set-up on the replacement hd before I can restore fr my rsync hd. |
| 01:50.53 | jelly-home | kundell: if you mean "what's the minimum that needs to be installed", then it's nothing -- boot a livecd, partition and format the drive, then restore data. Update the boot loader and /etc/fstab if the partition setup was changed. |
| 01:51.24 | karsten | kundell: A minimal base Debian install plus whatever bakcup utilities you need. Should fit into under 1540 - 200 MB. |
| 01:51.30 | karsten | erm. 150-200 MB |
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| 01:52.13 | karsten | kundell: I'd presume you need base + rsync + ssh or netcat + a few shell utilities. I'd pack on screen, ssh, vim, w3m, irssi myself. |
| 01:52.40 | Wyzard | or just use a livecd |
| 01:52.44 | jelly-home | even a base install should be enough if you only need to copy over the whole tree and the backup disk is connected locally |
| 01:52.49 | karsten | kundell: Having your package list available somewhere is pretty useful at a time like this. You can get that from /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 01:53.46 | mfrisch | ken_: all I can say is something got mixed up on the partitioning menu. I did encrypted then created them as lvm |
| 01:54.12 | mfrisch | ken_: so maybe encrypted raid lvm |
| 01:54.19 | kundell | karsten, jelly-home: correct me if i get it wrong. i need to install a base system which can perform rsync and then carry out the restore fr my rsync backup. right? |
| 01:54.35 | Wyzard | mfrisch: I'm using LVM on encrypted RAID-5 right now |
| 01:54.52 | karsten | kundell: Right. |
| 01:55.00 | jelly-home | kundell: my rsync based backups can be restore with a simple cp. |
| 01:55.19 | karsten | kundell: I'd treat this as a "install the packages I'd previously had installed, then restore user and system configuration state". |
| 01:55.19 | Wyzard | mfrisch: but I had to use the beta3 version of the installer because the later snapshots had problems with putting dm-crypt on top of RAID |
| 01:55.22 | karsten | kundell: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips |
| 01:55.40 | mfrisch | Wyzard: so whats the order for the layers? |
| 01:55.41 | karsten | kundell: /var recovery is similar to what you're going to want to do here if you don't have your package list. |
| 01:55.50 | karsten | kundell: See also Linux backup mini-FAQ. |
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| 01:56.19 | ken_ | mfrisch: you mean: layer 0: raid layer 1: encrypted layer 2: lvm ? |
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| 01:56.28 | karsten | kundell: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 01:56.32 | Wyzard | mfrisch: The physical disks (actually whole-disk partitions) form the RAID, /dev/md0 is the encrypted LUKS device, and the plaintext of the LUKS device is the LVM PV |
| 01:56.49 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Each of my three drives has a 50MB partition at the beginning -- one is /boot and the other two are unused |
| 01:56.52 | mfrisch | ken_: what Wyzard said |
| 01:56.59 | Wyzard | mfrisch: The rest of each disk is the big partition used for the RAID |
| 01:57.04 | kundell | i have etch binary-cd-1 and -2. my system is regularly upgraded and thus so too the rysnc backup. any problem about version compatibility if i restore a system which is more updated then the one in the binary cds? |
| 01:57.26 | ken_ | Wyzard: don't go nowhere -- i'm in the middle of the install now |
| 01:57.43 | mfrisch | ken_: I was backwards |
| 01:57.51 | Wyzard | ken_: I don't know if they've fixed it in the RC, but the installer had problems with the encryption on top of the RAID |
| 01:57.54 | ken_ | Wyzard: is it possible to use a key file instead of a passphrase ? |
| 01:57.56 | kundell | karsten: thks for all the links. will check them up. |
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| 01:58.05 | tonyb2006 | what kind of fifteen year old literally goes crying to their mommy when they see someone stretch their butt |
| 01:58.23 | ping2921 | what apache version is in the latest version of deb |
| 01:58.40 | jelly-home | tonyb2006: how is this relevant for #debian? |
| 01:58.40 | dvs | ping2921: latest stable? |
| 01:58.45 | Wyzard | ken_: I could create the RAID and the encryption on top of it, but for the resulting encrypted device, it would think it was an ordinary disk and want to put a partition table on it, rather than giving me choices of filesystems or LVM |
| 01:58.51 | tonyb2006 | jelly-home: it isnt, im just angry |
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| 01:59.48 | jelly-home | tonyb2006: angry is not on topic :-> |
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| 02:00.07 | nse | an ideal world wouldn't need cryptography |
| 02:00.09 | AcuraX | How do i build kernel sources? |
| 02:00.14 | Wyzard | ken_: The installer has some options for the crypto stuff, but I didn't pay attention to them so I don't know |
| 02:00.22 | ken_ | Wyzard: ok |
| 02:00.23 | Guerin | nse: but, despite the lack of need, an ideal world would have it. |
| 02:00.27 | ken_ | Wyzard: i'll try again, and see |
| 02:00.55 | Wyzard | ken_: I only used passphrase (for the LVM device) and random (for the swap, which is a separate device) |
| 02:01.07 | ken_ | hmm |
| 02:01.08 | ken_ | interesting |
| 02:01.21 | ken_ | Wyzard: so you did create lvm on top of the encryption ? |
| 02:01.21 | nse | Guerin: an ideal world would have only things that we need, so we don't waste time and space with useless things |
| 02:01.26 | Wyzard | ken_: yes |
| 02:01.37 | Wyzard | ken_: but I had to use the beta3 version of the installer |
| 02:01.39 | ken_ | Wyzard: and it booted up after the install wiout any probelms ? |
| 02:01.44 | Wyzard | ken_: because of the bug I described in the newer versions |
| 02:01.45 | ken_ | Wyzard: i have rc1 ... |
| 02:01.45 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:01.50 | ken_ | Wyzard: what's the bug ? |
| 02:01.50 | mfrisch | ken_: I don't think a device is an option at least rc1 |
| 02:01.52 | Wyzard | ken_: I don't know if it's fixed in RC1 |
| 02:01.56 | Guerin | nse: things that are useful, but not necessary, are a waste? |
| 02:02.07 | Wyzard | ken_: I could create the RAID and the encryption on top of it, but for the resulting encrypted device, it would think it was an ordinary disk and want to put a partition table on it, rather than giving me choices of filesystems or LVM |
| 02:02.08 | ken_ | Wyzard: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:02.27 | ken_ | Wyzard: |
| 02:02.27 | ken_ | ok |
| 02:02.29 | ken_ | i see |
| 02:02.49 | Wyzard | beta3 doesn't have that bug, but the snapshot at the time (late November) did |
| 02:02.54 | eldowan | !tell AcuraX -about kernel howto |
| 02:02.56 | Wyzard | I reported it but I don't know if it was fixed |
| 02:03.19 | nse | Guerin: usage and necessity are more close related than you think |
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| 02:04.48 | Guerin | nse: you dn't want to get into this argument with me ;) |
| 02:06.23 | nse | Guerin: :) i was reading about cryptography |
| 02:10.57 | rahul | you don't NEED to live. |
| 02:11.13 | rahul | heh |
| 02:11.22 | jelly-home | said the arms dealer to the suicidal guy |
| 02:11.25 | eldowan | :D get a clue... |
| 02:11.41 | rahul | it's nice to be alive, tho :P |
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| 02:12.06 | freeLoder | hello |
| 02:12.14 | freeLoder | just wandering. is etch stable yet? |
| 02:12.18 | rahul | hmm, and I don't NEED to leave for the knitting factory now, but that would be nice if I'm to make it there before the primms start playing |
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| 02:12.25 | jelly-home | freeLoder: no, not yet |
| 02:12.32 | rahul | !topicsmite freeLoder |
| 02:12.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon freeLoder. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:12.37 | freeLoder | whats taking so long. |
| 02:12.48 | jelly-home | freeLoder: see you in a few days with the same question |
| 02:12.52 | rahul | freeLoder: the fact that you're not helping it go faster |
| 02:13.05 | rahul | poof. |
| 02:13.56 | raf256 | !smitesmite rahul |
| 02:14.40 | jelly-home | raf256: that was uncalled for |
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| 02:19.08 | struktur5 | damn geeks |
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| 02:20.06 | freeLoder | ok |
| 02:20.35 | karsten | struktur5: Those would be civil engineers. |
| 02:20.42 | karsten | struktur5: ... which seems fitting given your nick. |
| 02:20.59 | struktur5 | no, computer freaks |
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| 02:21.09 | buu | Goddamn irc users. |
| 02:21.42 | Guerin | more tea |
| 02:21.46 | Guerin | that's the answer |
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| 02:22.24 | struktur5 | i hate geeks |
| 02:22.35 | karsten | struktur5: That's nice, dear. |
| 02:22.40 | karsten | struktur5: Run along now. |
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| 02:23.14 | karsten | Speaking of geeks, any ps geeks here? |
| 02:23.56 | Guerin | i hate geeks too |
| 02:24.10 | buu | Guerin: Does.. this.. *sniffle* mean we're over? |
| 02:24.14 | liable | and there souvlaki |
| 02:24.50 | Guerin | buu: hell, you can go on being a geek for all I care |
| 02:25.01 | Guerin | i'm going back out into the sun |
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| 02:25.14 | buu | Guerin: It actually rained here today. I was amazed. |
| 02:25.21 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 02:25.35 | buu | Yes. |
| 02:25.37 | buu | Exactly. |
| 02:26.02 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what about stealth geeks? |
| 02:26.11 | karsten | buu: Sandy Eggo? |
| 02:26.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Ssh! |
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| 02:26.26 | Thug-N-Me | !alsa |
| 02:26.26 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 02:26.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: can always pick 'em |
| 02:26.37 | karsten | Thug-N-Me: /msg bots please. |
| 02:26.42 | liable | Thug-N-Me: you can do /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:26.52 | Thug-N-Me | ok sorry |
| 02:27.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: harder to spot though... you can really tell when in a conversation |
| 02:27.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and i'm speaking as one |
| 02:27.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: put your mirrorshades back on, might hurt your eyes! |
| 02:28.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what shades :) |
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| 02:32.02 | kupesoft | So when etch coming, seriously. |
| 02:32.05 | kupesoft | *when's |
| 02:32.18 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 02:32.18 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 02:32.49 | kupesoft | That's useless ;/ |
| 02:32.53 | karsten | How do you get gnome detached toolbars to reattach? ggv. |
| 02:33.24 | SerajewelKS | kupesoft: either help with getting etch ready or wait for when it is |
| 02:33.29 | karsten | kupesoft: Watch the bugcount. Release history's online. You can draw inferences from it. |
| 02:33.32 | karsten | kupesoft: ... or help. |
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| 02:43.36 | karsten | kupesoft: Danke. |
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| 02:45.10 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:45.25 | eldowan | I've got 3 process that won't terminate. mplayer, mplayer, and cat. I have tried kill -9 <pid> but as root it does nothing. The processes were started as a regular user. |
| 02:45.37 | eldowan | Any ideas? |
| 02:46.06 | jimpop | eldowan: try shutting down firefox/mozilla |
| 02:46.28 | Azar | I got a question about a process, I would like to know what is about: /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp ? |
| 02:46.43 | Wyzard | Azar: That's your X server |
| 02:46.51 | eldowan | jimpop: joke? I'm not using either of those. I launched all three from a terminal emulator. even with the terminal that called them terminated, the processes are still going... |
| 02:47.00 | Wyzard | and I'm curious why it says "-dpi 100" -- usually it's 96, not 100 |
| 02:47.01 | Azar | Wyzard thanks |
| 02:47.04 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: are they using any CPU? |
| 02:47.15 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: Nope, just wont release my DVD drive. |
| 02:47.25 | Wyzard | though with modern monitors that option is better off being omitted so X can use the monitor's true DPI |
| 02:47.26 | Azar | Wyzard: I asked because I see lots of eth0 activity and this is the only one moving |
| 02:47.26 | jimpop | eldowan: srry about that. I sometimes see mplayer hang and i have to kill firefox to get mplayer stopped |
| 02:47.34 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: yeah, they're probably stuck in a blocking read |
| 02:47.44 | Wyzard | Azar: Use wireshark to see what your network traffic is |
| 02:47.47 | eldowan | jimpop: no problem. SerajewelKS: how would I terminate that? |
| 02:48.01 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: afaik you don't |
| 02:48.03 | Azar | Wyzard: ok I will install, does it work without a desktop? |
| 02:48.09 | eldowan | dammit, a reboot for me then? |
| 02:48.09 | SerajewelKS | Azar: no |
| 02:48.12 | Wyzard | Azar: No, it's graphical |
| 02:48.14 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: one sec |
| 02:48.24 | Wyzard | Azar: There's a command-line version too, but the GUI one is much easier to use |
| 02:48.31 | Azar | Wyzard: ahhh but I use X..? |
| 02:48.35 | liable | or tcpdump |
| 02:48.39 | Azar | X with no gnome or kde |
| 02:48.43 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 02:48.48 | Wyzard | You don't need GNOME or KDE |
| 02:48.49 | Wyzard | You just need X |
| 02:48.51 | Azar | ok |
| 02:49.31 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i'm sure there is some way to do it, but i'm not sure what it is |
| 02:49.31 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: I think cat wouldn't release the drive and it finished. Now the dvd opened right up.. Odd. |
| 02:50.15 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: probably got an I/O error finally |
| 02:50.19 | Azar | Wyzard: I guess is not on sarge repositories... |
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| 02:50.31 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it's called ethereal in sarge |
| 02:50.34 | Wyzard | Azar: In sarge it's called "ethereal" |
| 02:50.38 | eldowan | dmesg |
| 02:50.41 | Azar | ahh.. thanks |
| 02:50.49 | jacksonm | Hello everyone :) - I am looking to create a MySQL server with Debian |
| 02:50.54 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: Actually many many I/O errors. |
| 02:51.19 | jacksonm | and I was wondering if 512MB ram with 3.0GHZ Pentium 4 will be enough to process a MySQL server with 13 networked computers accessing it |
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| 02:52.02 | eldowan | jacksonm: that all depends on the load you are expecting the mysql server to handle. |
| 02:52.27 | eldowan | jacksonm: mysql could handle the load from 100000 networked computers if they each only queries once a day... |
| 02:52.42 | eldowan | jacksonm: But I don't think you will have a problem. |
| 02:53.17 | jacksonm | Ok, because my teacher for a Web Design class is letting me try to teach a class on PHP and databases |
| 02:53.29 | jacksonm | And I asked if I could focus on working with forums and she said that would be great |
| 02:53.46 | jacksonm | So my hope is to use the machine and with Debian, make it a MySQL server |
| 02:54.29 | jacksonm | And my question was if it would be as simple as just using APT-get and if I would need PHP or Apache as well, because this will only be used as a MySQL server, they already have webspace on a different school server |
| 02:54.34 | jacksonm | that supports PHP |
| 02:55.39 | pipeline | jacksonm: mysql won't work well over the internet. |
| 02:55.50 | eldowan | jacksonm: you can use apache and php on the mysql box. If the school will let you have r/w access to part of their server, then that is probably the best route to go. If you have to take care of it all, I would get apache and php and mysql all together. |
| 02:56.23 | jacksonm | eldowan: alright, Ill just have them host all of their php related files on this box, since their other space is HTML only |
| 02:56.26 | eldowan | pipeline: I beg to differ. I use is consistently on a p4 2.4 with 512 and I have no real problems. Of course, I don't use a heavyily populated forum either... |
| 02:56.41 | pipeline | eldowan: ACROSS THE INTERNET |
| 02:56.43 | eldowan | jacksonm: you can get the whole lamp stack from debian. |
| 02:56.45 | jacksonm | pipeline: the computers are all on a network, would it be possible/better to allow them to access the server through IP? |
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| 02:56.53 | eldowan | pipeline: I know. I also have a mysql server ON THE INTERNET |
| 02:56.55 | pipeline | jacksonm: Across a LAN, sure. |
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| 02:57.08 | jacksonm | eldowan: i've been working with this tutorial - http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
| 02:57.20 | jacksonm | does this seem accurate to what I am doing? |
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| 02:58.01 | Wyzard | jacksonm: How else would they access the server besides through IP? |
| 02:58.40 | jacksonm | Well, I said that stupidly; but a lot of the times when I fill out PHP bulletin board SQL config scripts, the server can be filled as "localhost" |
| 02:58.51 | jacksonm | But I assume it would be "ip address blah blah" now |
| 02:59.27 | eldowan | jacksonm: that seems like it could be a good tutorial. See if the school will assign a static IP address to you, or give you a hostname. |
| 02:59.30 | deadcat | can i use screen instead of minocom via serial console? if so how? |
| 02:59.41 | eldowan | then they can be like http://jacksonphpclass and get there... |
| 02:59.55 | karsten | deadcat: I think you need minicom to handle the serial protocol. |
| 03:00.19 | eldowan | jacksonm: once you install lamp, make index.php read like this <? phpinfo(); ?> and see if you get anything when you browse to host/index.php |
| 03:00.20 | karsten | deadcat: ... but you can generally attach pretty much anything to a given tty / ttySn |
| 03:00.35 | jacksonm | eldowan: ok thank you :) |
| 03:00.46 | jacksonm | eldowan: normally when I access a linux box through putty, i use something that starts out 192.168.0.x |
| 03:00.50 | Azar | ** (ethereal:3988): WARNING **: Protocol filter name "ISystemActivator" has one or more invalid characters. << I get like five warnings like this |
| 03:01.06 | Wyzard | On the other hand, keep in mind that permission from the teacher to teach a lesson isn't the same thing as permission from the school to connect a computer to their network |
| 03:01.07 | deadcat | karsten: oh.. |
| 03:01.18 | jacksonm | eldowan: would this be how the users would input the server for the forums? (its only accessable at school, not for the WWW or at home) |
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| 03:01.49 | eldowan | jacksonm: if you can get the school to assign you a hostname, and IP address, the kids will go http://hostnameassignedbyschool |
| 03:01.56 | eldowan | or http://ipassignedbyschool |
| 03:02.12 | jacksonm | eldowan: will this cost the school more money? |
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| 03:02.41 | eldowan | jacksonm: only the power to run your box. What you might to is see if they will let you have a page on their server, and you can put the link to your box right there. |
| 03:03.04 | jacksonm | eldowan: alright that makes sense |
| 03:03.34 | jacksonm | eldowan: once i apt-get the LAMP, eventually how will i actually access the administration for database creation/PHP file adding |
| 03:03.48 | eldowan | apt-get install phpmyadmin |
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| 03:03.54 | jacksonm | ok awesome |
| 03:04.16 | jacksonm | eldowan: it mentions installing webmin which would be cool, but I need each user to be able to have their own accounts for uploading their forum files as well though - does this mean i also need an FTP server? |
| 03:04.21 | eldowan | jacksonm: that is a nice web based GUI for your box. |
| 03:04.37 | pipeline | maybe you should just buy hosting :P |
| 03:04.39 | eldowan | jacksonm: that all depends on how you have the forum setup. |
| 03:04.57 | jacksonm | pipeline: i've got it, but i assumed this would be a good project for my own benefit :) |
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| 03:05.12 | jacksonm | eldowan: well as I said different users will be installing different forums |
| 03:05.27 | jacksonm | eldowan: and most forums are going to require that the user upload the files |
| 03:05.27 | eldowan | jacksonm: Ahhh. you could do ftp then. |
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| 03:05.39 | eldowan | jacksonm: or just use smb |
| 03:06.04 | jacksonm | eldowan: well we've got FTP clients on all of the PCs so itll be pretty simple - is SMB accessable through windows? |
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| 03:06.33 | Wyzard | SMB is Windows' native "network neighborhood" file sharing |
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| 03:06.55 | jacksonm | Oh - so essentially the users would just be accessing a folder with their name and copying the files into it? |
| 03:07.03 | Wyzard | right |
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| 03:07.18 | jacksonm | Ok - because my hope is to create a folder for each student and a database for each server |
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| 03:07.30 | jason__ | shity shity fuck fuck - shity shity fuck fuck |
| 03:07.30 | eldowan | jacksonm: for each server? |
| 03:07.33 | jacksonm | so with SMB, the users could simply just access their folders and copy files in and out? |
| 03:07.40 | eldowan | yup |
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| 03:07.56 | jacksonm | eldowan: sorry, mistyped - just meant folder/database for each student |
| 03:08.04 | jason__ | shit shit shit fuck fuck |
| 03:08.04 | eldowan | jacksonm: they would be like: \\server\myusername in IE |
| 03:08.16 | eldowan | !beer Wyzard |
| 03:08.27 | jacksonm | oh cool! and then to actually view their site it would be http://server/myusername |
| 03:08.28 | jacksonm | ? |
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| 03:08.38 | eldowan | jacksonm: if you set it up correctly, yes. |
| 03:08.44 | jason__ | dpkg: shity shity fuck fuck shity |
| 03:08.45 | jacksonm | or http://ipaddress/myusername if I wasnt given a domainname |
| 03:09.33 | eldowan | jacksonm: depending on the school network, you would just need to uncomment a line in /etc/dhclient.conf and add your hostname, and when you get a DHCP address, they can use the hostname you supply |
| 03:09.47 | eldowan | jacksonm: you only need a domain name if you're on the net |
| 03:09.47 | jacksonm | eldowan: alright, great! |
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| 03:09.53 | jason__ | shit shity shit |
| 03:10.00 | jacksonm | ah, ok |
| 03:10.02 | jacksonm | eldowan: thank you very much for all of this help - i really appreciate it |
| 03:10.25 | eldowan | jacksonm: naah, that's what it is all about. Finding out things you didn't know. |
| 03:10.33 | jacksonm | hahahaha thank you :) |
| 03:10.34 | jacksonm | Well I' |
| 03:10.40 | jacksonm | d best be off doing my homework... |
| 03:10.40 | eldowan | jacksonm: hell thats why you're doing the class, no? |
| 03:10.47 | jacksonm | hahaha yeah definitely |
| 03:11.00 | jacksonm | Well, thanks again - have a great night |
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| 03:11.28 | e1z0 | ryc |
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| 03:12.34 | eldowan | rice? |
| 03:13.14 | SerajewelKS | is there some reason that, on every single one of my LCD monitors, subpixel font smoothing looks terrible, no matter what pixel order i choose? |
| 03:13.17 | jason__ | shity shity ass shit |
| 03:13.36 | eldowan | !ops jason__ |
| 03:13.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: eldowan complains about: jason__ |
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| 03:14.14 | eldowan | !beer LoRez |
| 03:14.49 | liable | how did you just ban without +o? and no @? |
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| 03:15.37 | liable | oh, staff |
| 03:16.45 | delire | he may have in fact fallen victim to the gruelling and contemporary disease, "IRC Tourettes". |
| 03:17.01 | liable | heh |
| 03:17.07 | tuv | SerajewelKS, are you using a native monitor resolution? |
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| 03:19.15 | eldowan | ooh, we just witnessed "The Return of Bhaal"!! |
| 03:20.21 | jello | Can anyone help me with http://pastebin.ca/320139 ? How come the bundle url is not being set? |
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| 03:21.07 | SerajewelKS | tuv: yes |
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| 03:22.12 | SerajewelKS | tuv: in all instances. i should say that while cleartype in xp also looks worse than just standard smoothing, it looks a bit better than whatever subpixel smoothing mechanism the gnome font panel enables. |
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| 03:22.41 | SerajewelKS | tuv: i really wonder if i've just used computers so long that my brain smooths the edge of pixels for me :) |
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| 03:23.22 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I'm surprised you say that... I think Freetype's subpixel rendering (seen in GNOME) looks much better than ClearType |
| 03:23.23 | tuv | SerajewelKS, i once had a problem in X that got fixed when i changed the kenrel vga mode on boot to a higher one |
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| 03:25.20 | delire | i personally find it difficult to look at the subpixel rendered fonts in Gnome and Mac OS X for any extended period of time. |
| 03:25.20 | abrocadabro | I am using gnome 2.14.3 on sid, my power management is missing suspend to disk and suspend to ram, this has happened very recently, any ideas? |
| 03:25.20 | delire | s/rendered/smoothed |
| 03:25.34 | Wyzard | delire: I find the subpixel anti-aliasing in GNOME to be very subtle and barely noticeable at all |
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| 03:25.36 | delire | abrocadabro: see if 'acpi-support' is installed |
| 03:25.51 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: i can't explain it... it seems that all forms of subpixel smoothing look like crap to me |
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| 03:26.04 | SerajewelKS | i can see the colors on the edges of the pixels |
| 03:26.06 | delire | Wyzard: it's certainly more bareable than Apple's OS, yes, but still i find it a strain on the eyes. |
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| 03:26.23 | nachos | hey there |
| 03:26.24 | abrocadabro | delire: it is install, I can still manually suspend to disk and ram |
| 03:26.24 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: you might be using a 6-bit lcd panel, which has limited support for colors. |
| 03:26.32 | abrocadabro | installed |
| 03:26.37 | delire | SerajewelKS: i have a similar thing here, as though the edges have a rainbow effect. |
| 03:26.41 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: not only on my laptop |
| 03:26.52 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: on my 19" samsung desktop monitor |
| 03:27.08 | delire | abrocadabro: i'm not sure why it would be missing from your PM gui. |
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| 03:27.32 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: how would i tell though |
| 03:27.42 | delire | eldowan: similar here. i see this on all screens, and i have one very expensive one. |
| 03:27.45 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: hmm. I have heard of full size monitors using 6bit panels as late as the last few months, which must use interpolation to match colours, and ends up with a color wheel efect seen in some DLP projectors. |
| 03:28.03 | eldowan | delire: SerajewelKS: it may be that you both have 'golden' eyes. |
| 03:28.24 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS, delire: The "rainbow" effect is barely noticeable unless you're using poorly-hinted fonts |
| 03:28.25 | eldowan | do you notice anything similar with CRT monitors? |
| 03:28.34 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: so what you're saying is that .. older monitors sort of do subpixel smoothing on the whole screen? |
| 03:28.43 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: no, just a sec... |
| 03:28.52 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: yes, it looks about the same on a CRT |
| 03:29.24 | delire | Wyzard: i've seen this effect on computers on many different machines, from universities to friends laptops. |
| 03:30.26 | Wyzard | Well, the coloration is always going to be there -- that's how subpixel rendering works -- but at normal resolutions and normal viewing distances, it's pretty much imperceptible |
| 03:30.34 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: try upping your frequency to 75-80Hz if your monitor can take it. I am sensitive to rainbows and flickering at 60Hz |
| 03:30.48 | Wyzard | I have to stare at the screen close-up to actually perceive the colors |
| 03:31.16 | Wyzard | but the effect is much more pronounced with poorly-hinted fonts, and that's why I'm wondering |
| 03:31.32 | eldowan | Wyzard: what are poorly-hinted fonts? what does hinted mean? |
| 03:32.02 | Wyzard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting |
| 03:32.10 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: 60hz the max here, but my other monitor is at 85hz and i still see rainbows. |
| 03:32.11 | Wyzard | In the image, the top row is not hinted and the bottom row is |
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| 03:32.32 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: it happens with verdana, segoe ui... everything |
| 03:32.41 | Wyzard | It's the process of snapping major lines in a letter to lie exactly on pixel boundaries, so the anti-aliasing doesn't give you big rows of half-shaded pixels |
| 03:32.42 | charzero | I'm amazed people can't see the flicker at 60. |
| 03:32.43 | delire | AFAIK hinting is actually provided by files that separately deal with font rendering at different sizes, when enabled. |
| 03:32.50 | eldowan | ahh, yes that would increase the interpolation quite a bit. |
| 03:33.06 | SerajewelKS | charzero: on lcd or crt? |
| 03:33.07 | delire | charzero: i see bad flicker at 60 |
| 03:33.12 | Wyzard | With a hinted font you only get anti-aliasing on curves; horizontal and vertical edges are perfectly sharp |
| 03:33.19 | delire | charzero: though yes, only on CRT |
| 03:33.25 | SerajewelKS | charzero: i can't see it on an LCD, but with CRT at 60 i feel like my eyes are going to fall out. |
| 03:33.38 | Wyzard | delire: Hinting info is typically embedded within the font, but poorly-made fonts often don't have it |
| 03:33.46 | SerajewelKS | charzero: and yes, noone in my family can tell the difference... i don't understand it. |
| 03:33.47 | charzero | SerajewelKS: Yes, on CRT. tube lights also drive me nuts. |
| 03:33.48 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: :D mee too. and then the other people are going. 'it looks fine to me' |
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| 03:33.50 | delire | Wyzard: right, i see. |
| 03:33.56 | cornernote | how do i install lvcreate ? |
| 03:34.04 | cornernote | i cant find it with aptitude |
| 03:34.09 | Wyzard | cornernote: That's in the "lvm2" package |
| 03:34.11 | eldowan | cornernote: lvm2 |
| 03:34.36 | cornernote | thanks |
| 03:35.48 | SerajewelKS | blech, well i guess subpixel hinting is just not for me |
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| 03:36.07 | SerajewelKS | i can see rainbows at like 1 foot from the monitor |
| 03:36.16 | SerajewelKS | and other people can't see it at like three inches |
| 03:36.57 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: I'm with you, in the wikipedia entry, I thought the bottom row was by far the best in contrast and readability... |
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| 03:37.37 | cornernote | i get this: |
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| 03:37.39 | Wyzard | eldowan: You mean the "font hinting" Wikipedia page I mentioned? |
| 03:37.42 | cornernote | mail:~/scripts# /sbin/lvcreate -L1000M -s -n ZimbraBackup /dev/zimbra/zimbra |
| 03:37.47 | cornernote | napshot: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel |
| 03:37.52 | Wyzard | eldowan: Neither of those uses subpixel anything |
| 03:38.01 | cornernote | *napshot = snapshot |
| 03:38.03 | eldowan | Wyzard: yes. and oops. |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | eldowan: The bottom one is hinted and the top one is not, but that's not the same thing as subpixel smoothing |
| 03:38.23 | Draconicus | AHHHH! My machine is chugging like a 486 and I don't know why! I'm running my usual programs. It's slowed down a bit before when under stress, but this is ridiculous! My CURSOR is lagging! I'm installing htop to see if I ccan root out the problem... |
| 03:38.34 | Draconicus | dpkg is taking AGES, thhough. |
| 03:38.42 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i like my fonts, in gnome terms, with greyscale smoothing and slight hinting |
| 03:39.14 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: also i can *really* see the rainbows when text is white-on-black instead of black-on-white |
| 03:39.52 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: but i have to admit, for all the BS in vista, the "segoe ui" font is pretty nice. |
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| 03:40.18 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: haven't checked out segoe ui fonts. wasn't that just a slight rehash of an older, much used font? |
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| 03:40.45 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: that depends on where your bias is |
| 03:40.49 | cornernote | back... did i miss my answer ? |
| 03:41.01 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: check [[Segoe UI]] on Wikipedia |
| 03:41.11 | delire | i have some 3d network visualisation software packaged for Debian Sid. i quickly need a volunteer (all source code greppable) to test the package for me to ensure a graphical glitch has been resolved. anyone game? |
| 03:41.35 | eldowan | delire: if it doesnt' screw up my etch box, I will try it. |
| 03:42.00 | delire | eldowan: it won't work on Etch sadly, but cheers. |
| 03:42.27 | charzero | delire: If it isn't too proc/grahpics intensive, i'll try it in a virtual machine |
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| 03:42.43 | jello | delire: you might want to ask -mentors |
| 03:43.01 | delire | charzero: sure, you can be the first: http://packetgarden.com |
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| 03:43.09 | delire | charzero: the first to run it in a VM |
| 03:43.40 | Draconicus | Does java NORMALLY eat all available resources? ._. |
| 03:43.40 | delire | charzero: it is fairly graphics intensive however.. in fact you'll need hardware 3D accelleration so i doubt your VM will support that. |
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| 03:43.43 | eldowan | delire: Oh well, I would have been game. |
| 03:43.52 | delire | Draconicus: yes, it mostly does. |
| 03:43.58 | charzero | delire: you are correct, it will not. |
| 03:44.01 | eldowan | delire: why doesn't it work on etch? |
| 03:44.35 | delire | eldowan: because i develop on Debian Sid and i'm very busy. i have had several thousand downloads in the last three days. most of my bugs are lie elsewhere. |
| 03:44.52 | delire | eldowan: i would love someone to roll an Etch package for me. i've had several emails. |
| 03:45.03 | eldowan | delire: Not asking for a port, but wondering if it is build on newer libs than are in etch... |
| 03:45.08 | stoned | Draconicus, I've ran openoffice, firefox, gnome, azeurus, limewire simultaneously on a 2000 sony vaio machine with 866 p3 cpu and 128mb ram. |
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| 03:45.17 | eldowan | delire: although a port would be wonderful... :D |
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| 03:45.34 | jello | delire: it's pretty easy, if the build-deps are in etch... |
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| 03:46.07 | delire | jello: cool.. |
| 03:47.08 | delire | eldowan: yeah i think the core problem dependency is python-soya. i've packaged the ppcap and dpkt, the python interfaces to tcpdump's implementation of libPcap. the rest is all in etch. |
| 03:47.51 | delire | eldowan: can you 'apt-cache search python-soya' for me? |
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| 03:47.51 | delire | hmm sorry i guess i could just check this myself.. online. |
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| 03:48.21 | eldowan | delire: 0.12-2 |
| 03:49.40 | delire | eldowan: hmm.. that's good news. |
| 03:49.46 | delire | eldowan: it will probably install as is. |
| 03:49.58 | eldowan | delire: I'll try your link... |
| 03:50.35 | eldowan | grab and install all 4 packages? |
| 03:50.45 | delire | eldowan: cool. that'd be great. it does perform low level packet capturing but it doesn't send any data off your machine, nor does it open up any external ports. it's been audited by a couple of security buffs. |
| 03:51.10 | delire | eldowan: no, just grab the pre5 package and the pcap and dpkt packages |
| 03:51.16 | delire | (i should delete the other one) |
| 03:52.06 | eldowan | and i should dpkg -i pre5, or all of them? |
| 03:52.25 | delire | first do pcap and dpkt, then the packetgarden package |
| 03:52.54 | eldowan | pcap == pycap? |
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| 03:53.28 | delire | eldowan: pypcap yes |
| 03:53.37 | stoned | pcap == packet capture. so yes.. he means pycap |
| 03:53.39 | stoned | nm |
| 03:53.57 | Guerin | where is it written that any stupid thing in python myst start with `py'? |
| 03:54.04 | eldowan | delire: python-soya , -psyco, -geoip need to be installed... |
| 03:54.16 | delire | Guerin: i don't know. i didn't come up with this name |
| 03:54.17 | Draconicus | stoned: If I did that ony my Athlon XP 3200+ something would go horribly wrong. It makes no sense. 256MB DDR and all, it lags like one of the ancient x86s. |
| 03:54.24 | delire | eldowan: yes they all need to be installed. |
| 03:54.44 | stoned | Guerin, same place its written to name software after snakes and animals |
| 03:54.49 | delire | eldowan: i'm interested to know if it's all in Etch. |
| 03:55.01 | stoned | Guerin, carved in stone. |
| 03:55.22 | Guerin | stoned: the pybook of gstupid kprefices |
| 03:55.28 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:55.39 | eldowan | delire: working so far, what should I do? |
| 03:55.47 | eldowan | grow a garden? |
| 03:55.54 | stoned | of herb |
| 03:55.55 | stoned | :D |
| 03:55.55 | Guerin | oh, man |
| 03:55.59 | delire | eldowan: type 'packetgarden' in a term |
| 03:56.01 | Guerin | i have to water the garden |
| 03:56.03 | protocol1 | is it possible to resize my linux partition with gparted? |
| 03:56.05 | Guerin | thanks for reminding me |
| 03:56.22 | stoned | protocol1, I think so |
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| 03:56.42 | delire | eldowan: then 'start packet capture', go and download some stuff, share a file or two, and then click 'grow garden from today's traffic' |
| 03:56.42 | eldowan | delire: I got an info box, "Granted permissions w/o asking for password." |
| 03:56.53 | protocol1 | because I want to reload win XP and use it as a PBX system |
| 03:57.07 | delire | eldowan: yes, you need permissions to read packets on the network card. this is normal |
| 03:57.20 | scruffy | ahem... would anyone know if there's a pear.php.net mirror? (asked #pear, asked ##php) |
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| 03:57.29 | delire | eldowan: if you don't have systemwide sudo, then it won't work. |
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| 03:57.50 | eldowan | delire: alright, I've started the capture, and am starting a couple of downloads. sudo is good, any suggestions for traffic? |
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| 03:58.05 | delire | eldowan: just visit a really big website with pictures etc |
| 03:58.28 | eldowan | delire: OK |
| 03:59.00 | Draconicus | I'd love it if somebody could explain why this is happening: http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htopbk4.png |
| 03:59.27 | eldowan | delire: building a garden now... |
| 03:59.49 | eldowan | delire: all good :D I have a few trees. |
| 04:00.19 | fooz | Draconicus, what the problem is? |
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| 04:00.28 | eldowan | delire: And I can explore the world :D |
| 04:00.59 | delire | eldowan: wicked! |
| 04:01.04 | delire | ;) |
| 04:01.22 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i might like subpixel hinting if i could control the strength of it |
| 04:01.25 | eldowan | delire: it seems to work perfectly with normal user rights. |
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| 04:01.41 | scruffy | fooz: are you suggesting that looks normal? |
| 04:01.42 | eldowan | All: goodnight, and have a wonderful evening. I'm off to the pool hall:D |
| 04:01.56 | stoned | have fun |
| 04:01.58 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: I havent even turned it on that I know of. |
| 04:01.58 | fooz | scruffy, i don't know what i'm looking for |
| 04:02.06 | stoned | leave already! |
| 04:02.08 | stoned | :D |
| 04:02.16 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i have it off.. and i still see rainbows. just not as strong |
| 04:02.22 | scruffy | fooz: look at the nasty/blurry font happening |
| 04:02.23 | delire | eldowan: thanks alot for testing this. i'll add a note to the install page that you confirmed it to work. |
| 04:02.28 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: so i think if i could turn it on at 1/3 intensity i might like it |
| 04:03.02 | fooz | scruffy, thought it was supposed to look that way :P |
| 04:03.14 | fooz | Draconicus, turn off antialiasing |
| 04:03.17 | eldowan | delire: I'm going to let it capture packets for a few hours and grow a garden when I get into work tomorrow. Drop by the channel and I'll try to remember to check for you. PM me if I seem inactive, and I'll get back to you when I can. |
| 04:03.25 | fooz | what font is that? |
| 04:03.30 | Psy-X | that's a secret |
| 04:03.47 | delire | eldowan: sure, or drop into #packetgarden and leave a note in there. i'm squashing bugs in there right now. |
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| 04:07.22 | Kuko | does anyone by chance have a copy of the icedove icon or know where i can find one -_- |
| 04:07.22 | Draconicus | It's a font called dot matrix. |
| 04:07.25 | Draconicus | Dorks. :P |
| 04:07.29 | Kuko | I need the icon so i can put it into my menu properly |
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| 04:07.36 | Guerin | it looks like shit |
| 04:07.41 | Draconicus | That's the idea. |
| 04:07.46 | fooz | Draconicus, your screen looks just like my printer output. i'd say if it's meant to be dot matrix, it's right on... |
| 04:07.46 | Draconicus | It looks retro. |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | and not because it's anti-aliased |
| 04:07.56 | Guerin | hehe |
| 04:08.01 | Draconicus | Retro is the intention. |
| 04:08.04 | Guerin | use the linux console font |
| 04:08.07 | Draconicus | Old fashioned console. |
| 04:08.12 | Draconicus | Guerin: No. :) |
| 04:08.33 | Guerin | Draconicus: why don't you make your computer beep every time you hit a key? |
| 04:08.49 | Draconicus | Guerin: Because that would be pointless and annoying. This is readable. |
| 04:08.49 | Guerin | and instead of echoing line by line, have it draw character by character, like on tv |
| 04:08.55 | fooz | Guerin, "It's a UNIX system. I know UNIX!" |
| 04:09.01 | fooz | Draconicus, you need a 3D file manager |
| 04:09.10 | fooz | and Mac Plus disk drive sounds |
| 04:09.18 | Draconicus | fooz: I was actually going to play with one of those. :P |
| 04:09.33 | Guerin | fooz: the chix are gonna dig it when they come and see his computer, theyll go `omg ur so 1337, wanna cybar???/1' |
| 04:09.46 | fooz | zomg wtf bbq |
| 04:10.02 | Draconicus | fooz: I have a working, black, high-density 1.2MB 5.25" floppy diskette drive in my computer. :) |
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| 04:10.12 | fooz | Draconicus, i'm sorry |
| 04:10.23 | Guerin | Draconicus: 5.25 doesn't cut it these days, I'm sorry to tell you |
| 04:10.27 | Guerin | inches, I mean |
| 04:10.30 | Draconicus | Well, I had an empty drive bay. |
| 04:10.49 | Draconicus | I don't use floppies at all anyway. |
| 04:10.51 | fooz | stupid thinkpad. i want so badly to replace it :D |
| 04:10.55 | Draconicus | It's just a joke. :P |
| 04:11.11 | Guerin | well, at least you're laughing |
| 04:11.13 | Draconicus | I've yet to meet a person that doesn't think it's neat. |
| 04:11.33 | fooz | man, I got rid of all my old hardware. I miss it :( |
| 04:11.36 | Draconicus | Anyway, are you going to mock my personal taste or help me? :P |
| 04:11.39 | fooz | I had a Turbo XT and an Apple Lisa 2/10 |
| 04:11.44 | fooz | < idiot |
| 04:12.00 | Guerin | Draconicus: you're beyond help ;) |
| 04:12.16 | Draconicus | fooz: I collect it. Got two working Apple IIgs's, a Commodore 64... Had a Tandy1000 but it shat itself. |
| 04:12.32 | fooz | those are junque you can pick up at any thrift store for $5 |
| 04:12.33 | Guerin | Draconicus: you should talk to toresbe about old hardware |
| 04:12.42 | Guerin | he has a freaking museum in his apartment |
| 04:12.45 | fooz | the Tandy for $2.50 |
| 04:12.48 | Draconicus | I have. |
| 04:12.57 | charzero | man, i thought my pentium classic web server was old. |
| 04:13.03 | Draconicus | fooz: Sorry. Tandy 1000 TX. |
| 04:13.08 | fooz | $1.00 then |
| 04:13.19 | Draconicus | Bit rarer. Had a hard card and ran Tandy DOS with Deskmate. |
| 04:13.19 | stoned | sweet |
| 04:13.22 | Draconicus | I loved the sound program. :( |
| 04:13.29 | stoned | I used to have a tandy |
| 04:13.37 | Draconicus | I still wonder if I can salvage my old Tandy .snd files and convert them. |
| 04:13.49 | Draconicus | I've yet to find something that can mount the hard drive, though. |
| 04:13.52 | fooz | I have nothing interesting now :/ |
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| 04:14.03 | Draconicus | It's msdos and fairly modern. I dunno why it won't work. |
| 04:14.35 | fooz | get a copy of tandy dos and a tandy emulator? |
| 04:15.11 | nse | does anybody know a good and complete linux networking manual freely avaliable on the internet? |
| 04:15.29 | Guerin | nse: no such thing |
| 04:15.35 | fooz | yeah. especially the "complete" part |
| 04:15.41 | fooz | there's no way one person could write a manual that big |
| 04:15.47 | Guerin | nse: networking isn't a linux thing, it's OS-agnostic |
| 04:15.53 | nse | ah c'mon you know what i mean |
| 04:15.58 | Guerin | nse: nope |
| 04:16.00 | dondelelcaro | nse: not really |
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| 04:16.03 | Guerin | nse: how could we? |
| 04:16.04 | fooz | nse, what do you want to do? |
| 04:16.19 | Guerin | lartc.org is one thing |
| 04:16.31 | dondelelcaro | nse: just talking about routing takes a few linear feet of books |
| 04:16.35 | nse | i want to learn about the relation between linux and the network |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | tldp.org has several dozen networking howtos ranging from trivial to ordinary |
| 04:16.46 | Draconicus | nse: Freely available? No. I poked at Advanced Linux Networking, though. It's great if you want to run a 2.4 kernel. :P |
| 04:16.53 | Guerin | nse: esr does an internet guide |
| 04:16.58 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i find that the bolder a font is the less rainbowy it is, which makes sense |
| 04:17.08 | Draconicus | Had to do a research report on Linux networking once. |
| 04:17.10 | Guerin | nse: internet and unix fundamentals or something |
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| 04:17.49 | Guerin | while esr is obnoxiously patronising, that guide is quite useful for a first-principles sort of thing |
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| 04:18.12 | Rusty1 | nse: tldp might be a place to start http://tldp.org/ |
| 04:18.38 | nse | i was reading chapter 10 of introduction to linux from a girl i can't remeber her name now, but it's really very, very superficial |
| 04:21.42 | niles | anyone here use limewire ? |
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| 04:24.13 | jello | !tell niles about ask |
| 04:24.33 | wes_1977 | I've installed ubuntu 6.10 on my home PC which has 2 SATA drives and after installation it won't boot. Is anyone familiar with getting grub installed correctly onto a SATA drive from LiveCD? |
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| 04:25.48 | jamesbrink | hello |
| 04:25.48 | niles | video files are not playing, via limewires preview button ? |
| 04:26.17 | GeorgeS069 | wes_1977: you might want to ask about ubuntu in #ubuntu instead of #debian |
| 04:26.32 | jello | niles: can you play videos regularly (with mplayer or something?) |
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| 04:29.36 | xerophyte | how can i find out the reverse dns stuff .. i mean if i have domain how can i find out which domain its point to ?? |
| 04:29.55 | charzero | xerophyte: man dig; man host |
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| 04:30.52 | jamesbrink | has anyone here install nagios 2.6 ? |
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| 04:36.27 | jamesbrink | nevermind i figured it out |
| 04:36.43 | Azar | is the new Adobe's Flash9 for Linux proprietary? |
| 04:37.09 | charzero | Azar: of course. |
| 04:37.11 | hark | duh |
| 04:37.22 | hark | evil! |
| 04:38.16 | niles | jello: yes i can play videos with kaboodle and xine |
| 04:38.33 | n3kl | Hi. I am trying to install oreon and having trouble. In the installation script it is asking for a path to RRD Perl Modules. The path it is defaulting to is: /usr/local/rrdtool/lib/perl. Does anyone know what package I need to install to point this in the right direction? |
| 04:38.54 | jamesbrink | n3kl have you ever used oreon before? |
| 04:39.06 | Azar | thanks charzero.. I didn't noticed before that was for ubuntu :) |
| 04:39.06 | jamesbrink | i was just looking at that site it looks kinda neat |
| 04:40.12 | n3kl | jamesbrink: I have used it at work quite a bit, but I have never been taked with setting it up |
| 04:40.12 | nse | do you guys think that i will get bad "out of date" problems if i read a freely avaliable book called Linux Network Administrator's Guide, 2nd Edition from o'reilly that was written seven years ago? i am not a linux expert and all i want is to learn free of cost some things about networking |
| 04:40.29 | jamesbrink | n3kl im thinking it apt-get install rrdtool |
| 04:41.07 | cornernote | has anyone had experience with vgcreate ? |
| 04:41.08 | Azar | " Linux distributions are using legal work-arounds to bypass GPL restrictions. Why? Simple, it's restricting what the developers/sponsors of these distributions are trying to do." |
| 04:41.56 | cornernote | i run this: vgcreate zimbra /dev/hda1 |
| 04:42.00 | cornernote | it tells me: No physical volume label read from /dev/hda1 |
| 04:42.04 | jamesbrink | n3kl i was going to try out that package but i already have cacti and nagios 2.6 running so im not sure if i should bother |
| 04:42.13 | Azar | nse, the linux kernel has changed a lot in the past two years due to the fact that hardware has changed. But for a "general view" would be good, don't take it tho letter by letter. |
| 04:42.13 | cornernote | and: /dev/hda1 not identified as an existing physical volume |
| 04:42.25 | cornernote | but hda1 is my primary volume |
| 04:42.45 | n3kl | jamesbrink: say again? |
| 04:43.12 | hark | Azar: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ |
| 04:43.32 | Azar | hark thanks :) |
| 04:43.34 | hark | Azar: especially Section 3.1 |
| 04:43.49 | Azar | never using adobe or flash myself but interesting to read about |
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| 04:44.12 | deadcat | when doing a netboot netinstall. do i really need to setup MAC address for specific ip? i mean if nfs is gonna allow the entire subnet. does it matter if machineA get 192.168.0.10 ? |
| 04:44.20 | nse | Azar: ok, azar thanks. do you know that your nick in my native language that is portuguese means "bad luck"? |
| 04:44.42 | Azar | nse try to read it backwards, that is the meaning |
| 04:46.20 | Azar | hark bwahahaha is that eula for the flash9 for linux? how funny |
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| 04:48.34 | n3kl | if I download source and to a make && make install, will aptitude recognize it as an installed package and be able to remove it? Is it safe/wise to do a make install on source, for cleanliness reasons? |
| 04:49.06 | Azar | GPL Challenges: A Reality Check << one reason I stick with Debian as long as Debian sticks for the rules. http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=7714 |
| 04:49.26 | Azar | he ho don't like Debian --->> ubuntu plz |
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| 04:51.17 | Azar | hehe Linspire and Xandros already have EULA :D |
| 04:52.48 | hark | n3kl: no, but you can use checkinstall |
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| 04:54.15 | n3kl | hark: does that work well for debian |
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| 04:54.49 | hark | n3kl: yes, if you don't want to build your own package |
| 04:54.53 | hark | !checkinstall |
| 04:54.53 | dpkg | from memory, checkinstall is a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
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| 04:56.31 | Co_Baek_19 | anybody can help me |
| 04:57.36 | Caitriona | n3kl: another good way to do things is to use stow |
| 04:58.12 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: state your distro and kernle version then ask |
| 04:58.15 | Co_Baek_19 | please help me about Gigabit Ethernet on Debian |
| 04:58.34 | Co_Baek_19 | Woody 2.4.1 |
| 04:58.37 | Co_Baek_19 | Woody 2.4.18 |
| 04:58.40 | Azar | wow impressive |
| 04:59.08 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: this is a new Ethernet you got? |
| 04:59.17 | Co_Baek_19 | no |
| 04:59.31 | Co_Baek_19 | Compex with RL 1000 chipset |
| 04:59.35 | Azar | so what happened? it broke? |
| 04:59.50 | Co_Baek_19 | can be use on Woody or not? |
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| 05:00.15 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: if your hardware is "at least" three year old, yes, if is newer try going with Debian Sarge |
| 05:00.31 | Co_Baek_19 | nah |
| 05:00.39 | Co_Baek_19 | i'm not have sarge |
| 05:01.54 | hark | !woody 2.6.18 |
| 05:01.57 | hark | heh |
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| 05:02.00 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: ok then if you have Woody, just do a "base install". No X, no sound.. just base. Then immediately change your /etc/apt/sources.list to Sarge. Install "aptitude". Upgrade the kernel to 2.6.8. then use "dist-upgrade" to go up to Sarge |
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| 05:02.21 | morph_ | hello... im running dreamlinux.. i am a noob and I think this is based on debian |
| 05:02.31 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: gonna take you few hours, but worth done |
| 05:02.33 | morph_ | does anyone know how I can activate beryl? |
| 05:02.37 | hark | !based on debian |
| 05:02.37 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:02.41 | morph_ | im running this as a live CD |
| 05:02.48 | anjumbutt | hi |
| 05:03.20 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: that what I did with my Debian boxes, started from Woody and upped to Sarge then later to Etch |
| 05:03.44 | morph_ | hark, i don't know where to find dreamlinux's channel |
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| 05:04.19 | Azar | Co_Baek_19: use only disk 1 from Woody. That is the base install |
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| 05:06.10 | nse | the linux networking overview howto |
| 05:07.23 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 05:07.28 | lkthomas | after new kernel are compile and boot up |
| 05:07.45 | hark | morph_: maybe check their forums? |
| 05:07.51 | lkthomas | device /dev/hda1 not exists |
| 05:08.01 | lkthomas | how could I create that block ? |
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| 05:33.26 | lindenle | Could someone tell me how to name a postint script? |
| 05:33.31 | Zoo | its finally good that flas 9 was posted yesterday |
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| 05:34.33 | Azar | Zoo: not for Debian I hope |
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| 05:38.10 | Zoo | just installed it |
| 05:38.41 | Zoo | you guys feeling good today? |
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| 05:40.18 | peterS | lindenle: depends on how you're building a debian package. as you can see in 'man dpkg-deb', it requires a DEBIAN subdirectory inside the dir that has the contents of the .deb it will create. the DEBIAN subdir can have a 'postinst' file. how the postinst gets into that directory depends on your packaging tools |
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| 05:41.28 | lindenle | peterS: ok I already have a DEBIAN subdir in the package directory so do I just put it in there? |
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| 05:41.49 | Zoo | was just released yesterday Azar |
| 05:41.52 | Zoo | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW |
| 05:42.22 | peterS | lindenle: that's an unusual way to build a package - normally the DEBIAN subdir is created at built time along with the rest of the package's files. it will appear in 'debian/tmp/DEBIAN' or 'debian/packagename/DEBIAN' at some point during the build |
| 05:42.44 | lindenle | ok can I put package.postinst in debian ? |
| 05:42.57 | lindenle | this is mostly a meta package that installs all our sites image |
| 05:43.03 | peterS | that depends, as I said, on your packaging tools |
| 05:43.07 | lindenle | and I just need to make a symbolic link |
| 05:43.16 | lindenle | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:43.17 | peterS | those tools, like debhelper, usually have manpages, which I encourage you to read |
| 05:43.24 | Zoo | hey all, floola is really cool.. but I got an output with it.. etc.. |
| 05:43.53 | lindenle | peterS: Ok well I think I have it correct anyway |
| 05:44.05 | peterS | so uh, what do flas and floola have to do with Debian? |
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| 05:44.39 | linux_user400354 | how can i make a user a member of the admin group? |
| 05:44.53 | Zoo | floola is an ipod manager.. etc.. |
| 05:45.09 | Zoo | it can run on open source, mac, and windows.. it came out not too long ago.. last year |
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| 05:46.05 | Zoo | I run on types of things on debian, vmware workstation etc.. its my universal platform, to do what I want with :) |
| 05:46.16 | peterS | yeah, that's fine, is there a reason you're talking about it here? |
| 05:46.16 | linux_user400354 | how can i make a user a member of the admin group? |
| 05:46.38 | peterS | I mean, this forum is for tech support about debian, do you have a question or..? |
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| 05:48.07 | Zoo | are you closed minded like alot other or something. whats your deal peter |
| 05:48.36 | Zoo | we are capable of things way more than just engineering off a powerful platform Ian Murdock designed |
| 05:49.33 | peterS | Zoo: I'm just asking why you're bothering to tell us about the software you're running that isn't in Debian. it doesn't seem to be particularly related to this channel, I'm hoping you can make a connection |
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| 05:50.22 | Zoo | I make the connection in my own way to the things i want to do and not having or needing to prove anything to anyone, because a person can do what thy chooses to do |
| 05:50.32 | Guerin | yep |
| 05:50.34 | Zoo | heya Guerin :-) |
| 05:50.48 | Guerin | but as the nice people at attrition.org say: you have no rights here. |
| 05:51.06 | Zoo | I am who I am and I"m not going chang that for anything I support open source , free software, and commercial and manage both |
| 05:51.14 | Guerin | happy days |
| 05:51.16 | peterS | Zoo: you can do what you choose to do, but if you want to post in this channel you will stay vaguely on topic. I'm giving you an opportunity to show that you _are_ on-topic because it looks to me as though you aren't |
| 05:51.25 | Zoo | I have rights, I always will, and when I don'g get on IRc, so much the better |
| 05:51.27 | Guerin | go tell alice, when she's ten feet tall |
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| 05:51.43 | Guerin | you have rights. Just not *here* :) |
| 05:51.48 | Zoo | man I sure wish I was in a conference wit hyou all, I would set you straight |
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| 05:52.00 | Zoo | do you people evne know what the meaning of respect is? |
| 05:52.06 | Zoo | even |
| 05:52.13 | Guerin | Zoo: do you know what the meaning of `topic' is? |
| 05:52.19 | peterS | Zoo: just tell us what your random software has to do with Debian and I will stop hounding you about it. alternatively, get back on topic or stop talking |
| 05:52.21 | Guerin | that's the only thing at issue here |
| 05:52.23 | Zoo | or do you just want to argue about things, and talk about topic this and topic this |
| 05:52.27 | Zoo | get out of your house and do something |
| 05:52.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 05:52.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:52.46 | gravity | Thank you |
| 05:53.21 | peterS | Guerin: sunburn, bah. it got up close to 0C today, I'm really hoping it gets up to 4 or 5C in a week or so. |
| 05:53.46 | Guerin | peterS: it's been either spring or summer for me since March last year :) |
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| 05:54.24 | peterS | has it? you returned to NZ in ... May or so? |
| 05:54.33 | Guerin | end of june |
| 05:54.41 | Guerin | mm, a month or so of winter |
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| 05:55.19 | Guerin | but NZ winter does't really count against a northeast asian winter, so I barely noticed |
| 05:55.20 | Azar | Guerin: snow in So California! |
| 05:55.31 | Guerin | Azar: global warming! |
| 05:55.37 | Azar | :D hahaha |
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| 05:56.19 | backtrack | so Peter |
| 05:56.26 | backtrack | you want to have war games eh? |
| 05:56.37 | backtrack | how many proxies do you think you can ban in an hour |
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| 05:56.41 | *** kick/#debian [backtrack!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-215-15.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (not amused by ban avoiders) |
| 05:56.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:56.53 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:57.00 | Guerin | let the games begin! |
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| 05:57.16 | peterS | sigh. I don't know why people think such "games" are amusing |
| 05:57.18 | Azar | "too many linux distros confuse people" waaaa booohoo!! so what? |
| 05:57.32 | Azar | hi mr peterS |
| 05:58.06 | Azar | ah good. |
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| 05:58.14 | banavoider01 | want to keep this up for how long? |
| 05:58.18 | banavoider01 | lets fuckin play peter |
| 05:58.22 | banavoider01 | come on I challenge all you cats |
| 05:58.27 | Azar | ban sbcglobal.net |
| 05:58.29 | Azar | all of them |
| 05:58.29 | banavoider01 | how about some remote firmware bios flashing |
| 05:58.32 | banavoider01 | you can't |
| 05:58.36 | banavoider01 | you cannot ban a domain |
| 05:58.37 | banavoider01 | I'm sorry |
| 05:58.40 | peterS | quux: ping, Zoo / Zoo_ / backtrack / chalcedony / banavoider01 wants to play 'proxy ban avoiders' games, a bit of smackdown wouldn't hurt |
| 05:58.57 | banavoider01 | heh.. peter.. if you could get into my IDS |
| 05:58.59 | banavoider01 | heh |
| 05:59.02 | banavoider01 | not |
| 05:59.09 | Azar | peterS: take his voice |
| 05:59.14 | quux | Banavoider: what's the deal? |
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| 05:59.17 | Azar | :) |
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| 05:59.39 | quux | What's the history on this? |
| 05:59.47 | Palish | Hey.. Anyone know how to set user environment variables at login? |
| 05:59.47 | Azar | troll |
| 05:59.54 | peterS | quux: 10 minutes ago he insisted he didn't have to stick to a topic so I +q'd him, now he's playing ban games |
| 05:59.56 | deadcat | i am trying to get distcc to compile stuff but its not getting help from my other machines. |
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| 06:00.05 | Guerin | Palish: in bashrc |
| 06:00.16 | Palish | Guerin: I'm a noob, that means nothing to me :( |
| 06:00.26 | deadcat | Palish: too bad |
| 06:00.42 | peterS | quux: seems harmless in a 13-year-old kind of way, but he seems to want to waste our time tonight |
| 06:00.42 | Palish | So could anyone help me out? |
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| 06:00.45 | banavoider02 | I tell you what devs |
| 06:00.49 | Azar | take his voice :) |
| 06:00.50 | banavoider02 | I'll just kill this server |
| 06:00.52 | banavoider02 | hows that |
| 06:00.53 | Azar | let him here watch |
| 06:01.00 | banavoider02 | then you' want to have the last laugh? |
| 06:01.07 | Guerin | Palish: ~/.bashrc is your shell config file. I suggest you read its documentation before editing it. |
| 06:01.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:01.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@adsl-75-23-69-34.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] by peterS |
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| 06:01.12 | deadcat | banavoider02: you do what you need to do. (= |
| 06:01.22 | Palish | Guerin: I'm not trying to set system wide environment variables... just per user. |
| 06:01.44 | Guerin | Palish: you need to learn some basics. |
| 06:01.53 | peterS | deadcat: please don't, the goal here isn't to egg on the 13-year-olds. |
| 06:01.56 | Guerin | Palish: ~/.bashrc *IS* a user config |
| 06:02.01 | Palish | ah. |
| 06:02.02 | deadcat | peterS: sorry |
| 06:02.08 | Palish | Okay, i'll read the docs on that. Thanks. |
| 06:02.17 | Palish | Where's the standard place to put commands that happen on startup? |
| 06:02.22 | deadcat | Palish: echo 'VAR=blah' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 06:02.30 | Palish | right now I'm using on-up command in /etc/init.d |
| 06:02.31 | deadcat | Palish: echo 'export VAR=blah' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 06:02.46 | deadcat | should i get help on distcc here? |
| 06:02.55 | Palish | deadcat: thanks. so it just basically runs commands on startup. |
| 06:03.18 | deadcat | Palish: no on startup.. when someone logs into their shell or something |
| 06:03.29 | Palish | Right. |
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| 06:03.36 | debian_hacker | :-) |
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| 06:03.40 | debian_hacker | before you ban |
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| 06:03.58 | Palish | It's sort of close to what I need.. basically I have a perforce server running, but it runs under the 'perforce' username, so each time I reboot my computer it doesn't run. Is there a way to auto-login a user at startup? |
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| 06:04.05 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@c-67-166-128-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 06:04.08 | peterS | sorry deadcat, miscue |
| 06:04.15 | streuner | Guerin: yeah, let's do that |
| 06:04.39 | Guerin | Palish: perforce (whatever the hell it is) probably shouldn't be running as a user who's logged in. Start it from an init script. |
| 06:04.40 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:04.43 | lindenle | Ok maybe someone can help me I am confused, I have a meta deb that just installs what we consider our image. I need it to make a symbolic link for a library that gets installed. Can someone suggest the best way to do this...sorry but the documentation is sort of baffling me. |
| 06:04.50 | lkthomas | after I compile new kernel, I can't bootup |
| 06:04.56 | lkthomas | it said that /dev/hda1 can't found |
| 06:04.57 | Guerin | lkthomas: solution: use a debian kernel |
| 06:04.58 | Palish | Guerin: the docs say to run it as a non-root user for security purposes. |
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| 06:05.09 | Guerin | Palish: that's perfectly doable from an init script. |
| 06:05.10 | lkthomas | Guerin, not a solution dude |
| 06:05.15 | Palish | Oh |
| 06:05.27 | Guerin | lkthomas: yes it is. Another solution is `don't build kernels without requisite knowledge' |
| 06:05.28 | quux | peterS: see PM |
| 06:05.29 | Palish | So you can set a user when you run something from an init script? |
| 06:05.37 | Azar | tehhee! nice done peterS :) |
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| 06:05.40 | lkthomas | Guerin, fuck off if you don't know how to reolsve this |
| 06:05.45 | Palish | basically it has to run it with that user's environment variables too (only the user perforce has P4PORT, that is) |
| 06:05.55 | Guerin | lkthomas: no, *you* fuck off if you don't know how to fucking google it. |
| 06:06.18 | lindenle | Or point me to something that I can understand.... |
| 06:06.25 | lkthomas | Guerin, I ddin't ask you to reply me damn |
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| 06:06.25 | Guerin | Palish: read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 06:06.38 | Palish | lindenle: he's certainly not required to help you and definitely won't now, so you should hush. |
| 06:06.45 | Azar | lkthomas: anything you compile "on your own" and "outside deb packages" is ON YOU. |
| 06:06.59 | Guerin | lkthomas: the solution to your problem is to build the kernel properly; probably by building in your ide/sata controller and filesystem |
| 06:07.44 | lkthomas | all of the driver is in modules set |
| 06:07.56 | Guerin | lkthomas: speak english. |
| 06:08.09 | lindenle | Palish: who? and why? |
| 06:08.26 | Palish | sorry, not you.. I mean lkthomas |
| 06:08.33 | lindenle | oh ok ;) |
| 06:08.37 | streuner | great, playing with his kernel and has no idea, and if somebody can't help him - he should fuck off :-) |
| 06:08.37 | Palish | wrong auto-complete :) |
| 06:09.11 | Azar | that is kind of gentoobie attitude |
| 06:09.28 | Guerin | well, it's fine to build your own kernel |
| 06:09.39 | Azar | the bold and the rebel.... sells |
| 06:09.43 | Guerin | but it's not fine to do so, expecting people to bail you out when you fuck it up |
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| 06:10.05 | Guerin | enough newbies have failed to build their own kernels that their questions are all over google, with ready solutions |
| 06:10.09 | Guerin | including mine |
| 06:10.18 | streuner | Guerin: if you know what you doing, but telling people that's there fault then when some things doesn't work is not that great :-) |
| 06:10.23 | Azar | Guerin: "ignoring help is FUN" :) |
| 06:11.07 | Azar | maybe he does not even use debian << from where he balked at "use deb kernels" |
| 06:11.45 | Palish | er.. |
| 06:11.45 | cornernote | whats a standard size for /boot ? 1gb ? |
| 06:11.56 | Palish | if I have a program that I want to run as a user (say "perforce"), is that a daemon? |
| 06:11.59 | Guerin | cornernote: 100M |
| 06:12.04 | Palish | to run it with "perforce"'s environment variables |
| 06:12.04 | cornernote | thanks |
| 06:12.07 | streuner | cornernote: should be more than enough |
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| 06:12.36 | Guerin | Palish: depends how it's written. FOr the purposes of init.d, it can be |
| 06:13.09 | Palish | Guerin: I'm looking at google for what to do next, but "etc/init.d/skeleton tutorial" isn't turning up a lot of useful results |
| 06:13.34 | Guerin | Palish: what is this perforce thing anyway? |
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| 06:13.50 | Palish | Guerin: Source control, we use it at work, setting it up for my own project. |
| 06:13.58 | Palish | It's all configured, just trying to figure out how to get it to run on system reboot. |
| 06:14.19 | Palish | as well as my webserver.. right now it's run from an on-up command in /etc/network/interfaces, which seems to work ok, but seems kind of hacky. |
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| 06:14.40 | Palish | post-up, actually |
| 06:14.48 | Guerin | Palish: well, if it doesn't come with any sort of init script of its own, I don't think much of it |
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| 06:15.14 | Palish | Guerin: actually I don't even really need the environment variables. I just need a place to type a command that's run on startup that runs it as non-superuser. |
| 06:15.18 | Guerin | might be able to run it out of inetd, but you're better off trying to grok init.d and running it from there |
| 06:15.57 | Palish | if I could just type "perforce (password) /home/perforce/p4d" then I'm set |
| 06:16.01 | Palish | somewhere where it understands that. |
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| 06:16.13 | Palish | where "perforce" is the user. |
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| 06:16.48 | Guerin | Palish: you can use su perforce -c in bootmisc.sh, or something, but it's an ugly hack |
| 06:17.09 | Palish | well..how do other people run programs on startup that need to be run as a specific user? |
| 06:17.19 | Guerin | by using an init script |
| 06:17.39 | Palish | Okay, so somewhere in the init script you can specify username. |
| 06:17.44 | Guerin | yes |
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| 06:18.03 | MajorPayne | On a fresh net install of debian testing, I did a "apt-get install kde". During the install it didn't configure X. When I type startx at the command prompt I get this error message: "X: cannot start /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting." |
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| 06:19.20 | Azar | !drxx |
| 06:19.21 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:19.32 | streuner | MajorPayne: kde doesn't install X... |
| 06:20.03 | Guerin | but the installer should |
| 06:20.12 | Azar | yep... strange |
| 06:20.22 | Azar | Guerin, even on a base install? |
| 06:20.27 | Guerin | there was a bug in it recently which meant the `desktop' task and some metapackages were broken |
| 06:20.44 | Palish | is /usr/local always mapped to the current user's home directory? |
| 06:20.46 | Guerin | MajorPayne: install x-window-system and kdm |
| 06:20.52 | Guerin | Palish: no, never. |
| 06:20.57 | Palish | oh. I was just wondering. |
| 06:21.16 | Palish | right now the path will be /home/perforce/p4d ..seems like it should be in /usr or /bin |
| 06:21.20 | MajorPayne | I didn't select desktop during the install, I wanted to make sure it didn't install gnome. I normaly use gnome, I just want to give kde a shot. |
| 06:21.24 | MajorPayne | Guerin, thanks |
| 06:21.32 | Guerin | ah, ok |
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| 06:21.38 | MajorPayne | I figured X would be a dependency of kde |
| 06:21.48 | streuner | no |
| 06:21.52 | Azar | kde "sits" on X |
| 06:21.53 | Guerin | yeah, installing x clients like kde doesn't bring in the x server, because it's not necessary to run it locally |
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| 06:23.00 | MajorPayne | ahh, on this laptop I did the same thing, but I used gnome, and I installed the stable version |
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| 06:23.19 | MajorPayne | but maybe I had "desktop" selected during the install |
| 06:23.23 | MajorPayne | I can't remember |
| 06:23.24 | MajorPayne | thanks |
| 06:24.21 | streuner | there were 'tasksel' in oder versions, that installs a number of packages you can choose of |
| 06:24.27 | streuner | s/oder/older/ |
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| 06:25.46 | streuner | Do what Guerin told you (x-window-system) |
| 06:26.27 | MajorPayne | streuner: Yea, I am doing that now. |
| 06:26.32 | MajorPayne | I'm sure it will work |
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| 06:27.14 | DimmuR | morning |
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| 06:31.43 | peterS | Azar: btw, I don't know if you said it because you noticed or because you didn't, but banning sbcglobal.net would have the interesting effect of, erm, banning myself |
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| 06:31.57 | streuner | haha |
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| 06:33.12 | Guerin | peterS: heh, I didn't see that |
| 06:33.23 | Guerin | peterS: why has he not been k-lined? |
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| 06:33.50 | peterS | Guerin: well, the way he was hopping ip addresses, a k-line only works on one IP at a time, so that wouldn't have helped much |
| 06:34.08 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 06:34.16 | Guerin | did you email abuse@? |
| 06:34.23 | MajorPayne | How do I run the config program for the x-window-system? |
| 06:34.30 | Guerin | MajorPayne: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:34.35 | streuner | peterS: in .de you get always IP's out of a certain range (16) |
| 06:34.39 | peterS | Guerin: nah, quux is staff and he saw what happened, if it needs further attention I'll trust him to handle it |
| 06:34.45 | Guerin | streuner: a /16 network? |
| 06:34.49 | streuner | yeah |
| 06:34.58 | Guerin | that's quite a wide range to ban |
| 06:35.16 | peterS | yeah, I won't ban a whole /16 unless the situation gets really bad |
| 06:35.21 | streuner | Guerin: but that bans (prolly) all people your area too... |
| 06:35.28 | Guerin | right |
| 06:35.34 | peterS | I don't even like to ban a /24, though it can sometimes be necessary |
| 06:36.07 | Guerin | peterS: watch out, he might h4xx0r you |
| 06:36.14 | Guerin | sorry |
| 06:36.15 | Guerin | j00 |
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| 06:36.51 | peterS | trembling behind my leet wind0ze firewall IDS hax0r honeynet foo, I am |
| 06:37.09 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:37.16 | schwutz | want to set up for vpn and remote desktop. what are the packages to install? |
| 06:37.20 | Guerin | peterS: don't forget your invincible linksys router |
| 06:37.29 | Guerin | with the infinity-bit WEP encryption |
| 06:37.46 | peterS | dang, I need one of those |
| 06:39.02 | peterS | schwutz: depends on the type of VPN, and what you need to do with 'remote desktop' (client or server? what sort of server?) |
| 06:39.21 | lkthomas | currently I am using stable debian, how could I get kernel 2.6 binary package ? |
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| 06:39.44 | peterS | lkthomas: 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6' then install one of the packages you see |
| 06:39.55 | peterS | it will be kernel-image-2.6.8-something |
| 06:40.18 | kupesoft | Where can I find out more information about /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 06:40.19 | schwutz | peterS: don't know how many types fo vpn there are, any standard one? remote desktop is for remote troubleshooting. |
| 06:40.20 | lkthomas | I see, thanks |
| 06:40.21 | streuner | lkthomas: /msg dpkg backports - there are some newer kernels available |
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| 06:40.24 | kupesoft | man limits.conf doesn't work! |
| 06:40.31 | lkthomas | streuner, that's what I need, thanks |
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| 06:40.58 | peterS | schwutz: I don't know how many there are either, but there are certainly more than one type. as for remote desktop, do you need a client or a server? |
| 06:41.22 | Azar | peterS: :) wow hahaha |
| 06:41.52 | Azar | sorry for replying late, I was reading news |
| 06:42.01 | Guerin | thanks for keeping us informed |
| 06:42.35 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:42.45 | schwutz | peterS: more than one type of vpn supported by Debian? as for remote desktop, if i want to troubleshooting another system remotely, one end of need both server and client and the other client only. so both would be needed, i think. |
| 06:43.33 | peterS | schwutz: debian supports openvpn, tinc, IPsec, and possibly other vpn types |
| 06:43.38 | lkthomas | streuner, how could I use apt-cache for sarge-backports ? |
| 06:44.07 | schwutz | my search for linux vpn brought me to openswan too, is that supported by Debian? |
| 06:44.09 | peterS | schwutz: if you need to troubleshoot your debian machine remotely, you want a remote desktop _server_. otherwise you need a _client_ that speaks the same protocol that your other machine's remote desktop server uses. |
| 06:44.35 | peterS | schwutz: openswan is an implementation of IPsec. but you don't know (or you won't tell us) whether that is the VPN type you need (i.e., whatever is already in use at your site) |
| 06:44.50 | peterS | schwutz: and yes, openswan is a debian package |
| 06:44.57 | hagabaka | which packages contains locales in /usr/lib/locale? |
| 06:45.08 | Guerin | hagabaka: libc6 |
| 06:45.17 | Guerin | hm, i think |
| 06:45.23 | peterS | actually 'locales' |
| 06:45.25 | Guerin | hagabaka: use dpkg -S to figure it out |
| 06:45.36 | peterS | ...which is part of the same source package as libc6 |
| 06:45.40 | Guerin | ah. |
| 06:45.48 | hagabaka | how could i add another locale then? |
| 06:45.50 | schwutz | peterS: honestly, I don't know enough to know exactly which VPN i need, right now i only know i want VPN. |
| 06:45.55 | peterS | hagabaka: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:45.55 | hark | schwutz: there's kvpnc for a frontend |
| 06:45.56 | hagabaka | i did dpkg -S, but it didn't find it... |
| 06:46.03 | hagabaka | oh, thanks |
| 06:46.17 | peterS | schwutz: well, they aren't all compatible, you'll need to find out. IPsec is probably the most common type, though |
| 06:46.40 | Guerin | argh, too much reading |
| 06:46.45 | Guerin | my brains are going to fall out |
| 06:46.49 | peterS | schwutz: openvpn and tinc are easier to configure, but IPsec is more standard and I think it's shipped with Windows XP, so |
| 06:46.56 | Guerin | no amount of tea can keep me up with this! |
| 06:47.29 | schwutz | peterS: thks, I could settle for IPSEC or Openswan. What about the remote desktop package, is VNC the right one? |
| 06:47.45 | peterS | schwutz: that depends on what you are using on your other machine, the one you want access to |
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| 06:48.11 | peterS | vnc is popular but Windows Remote Desktop is also popular with Windows computers (because the software is shipped with recent versions of Windows) |
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| 06:48.33 | schwutz | peterS: of course i want both ends to be compatible, both ends should use the same package. |
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| 06:49.02 | hagabaka | dpkg-reconfigure locales just regenerated the locales i have... |
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| 06:49.08 | peterS | schwutz: if they're both Debian machines, I'd suggest not bothering with a remote desktop at all, but just 'ssh -X' to get remote graphics capabilities |
| 06:49.21 | peterS | hagabaka: it should have asked you about changing the list of locales you want available |
| 06:49.22 | schwutz | peterS: why are you mentioning Windows here? this is Debian GNU/Linux, is it? |
| 06:49.27 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 06:49.31 | hagabaka | it didn't though |
| 06:49.46 | peterS | schwutz: well, when you say "remote desktop", that makes me think of the Windows product of that name, Remote Desktop |
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| 06:49.58 | bsdboy | terminal service client |
| 06:50.03 | peterS | which is kinda-sorta part of NetMeeting |
| 06:50.05 | schwutz | peterS: i see. |
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| 06:50.35 | hagabaka | maybe because i'm using ubuntu :/ |
| 06:50.41 | peterS | hagabaka: oh, then ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:50.47 | peterS | hagabaka: it works on debian, what can I say |
| 06:50.48 | schwutz | peterS: i want to be able to control the mouse at the other end, can SSH do that? |
| 06:50.50 | Azar | excuseme! hehe I wonder who would like to play Doom in ASCII my god! |
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| 06:51.14 | Azar | tarzeau! |
| 06:51.15 | peterS | schwutz: ssh -X allows you to run X window apps remotely, including full mouse control |
| 06:52.01 | Azar | :) |
| 06:52.12 | schwutz | peterS: thks, i think i have a good start to work on what i want. |
| 06:52.52 | peterS | schwutz: it can be rather laggy, there are a couple simple ways to tune ssh if it seems too sluggish. in particular use ssh -CX where -C means use compression. I also use '-o Ciphers=arcfour' to default to the fastest encryption algorithm available (rc4, known as arcfour) |
| 06:53.16 | schwutz | peterS: k |
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| 06:53.46 | peterS | it took me _years_, btw, to notice that 'arcfour' is just an alternate pronunciation of 'rc4'. it needed that name because the name rc4 is trademarked by its inventor (RSA Inc) |
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| 06:54.11 | otherpandora | Hello. In debootstrap, I get "Failure trying to run" for libc6_2.3.6. I'm trying to bootstrap sid. |
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| 06:54.56 | peterS | otherpandora: bootstrapping from sarge, or from etch? debootstrap has an annoying habit of becoming obsolete over time when you use old versions. I don't know if that's what happened here |
| 06:55.14 | otherpandora | I get /dev/null: Permission denied when trying to do the dpkg command myself. |
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| 06:55.28 | cornernote | can someone do a search on backports for me for a sarge 2.6.18 kernel ? |
| 06:55.30 | otherpandora | peterS: I'm on whatever 'unstable' is currently, heh. |
| 06:55.37 | cornernote | i am sure there is one.. but my apt wont see it |
| 06:55.45 | peterS | otherpandora: oh, trying to debootstrap sid _from_ sid, then. hmmm. |
| 06:55.51 | hagabaka | are /usr/locale/* used when you do LANG=$locale program? |
| 06:55.55 | peterS | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:55.55 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 06:56.01 | peterS | cornernote: ^^^^ |
| 06:56.59 | otherpandora | peterS: Yes, pretty much. I've had this /dev/null problem too in other chroot situations. I can't write to it even though it's mode 666. |
| 06:58.20 | cornernote | thanks.. i didnt do aptitude update, only apt-get update |
| 06:58.43 | peterS | hagabaka: /usr/share/locale for the application data, and /usr/lib/locale for stuff the conversion functions themselves use |
| 06:58.58 | peterS | cornernote: I think the two are equivalent, though |
| 06:59.01 | hagabaka | oh |
| 06:59.05 | MajorPayne | for a USB mouse, what should I select as the mosue port when configureing X? |
| 06:59.14 | cornernote | peterS: its working now |
| 06:59.16 | peterS | MajorPayne: /dev/input/mice, protocol is ExplorerPS/2 |
| 06:59.29 | hagabaka | does debian have a /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED file too? |
| 06:59.57 | otherpandora | Ooh I may see a solution to the dev/null thing... if I'm set nodev that is heh. |
| 07:00.03 | peterS | hagabaka: yes |
| 07:00.14 | hagabaka | what if an encoding that i want isn't in that file, but is supported by iconv? could i still use it in a locale? |
| 07:00.21 | MajorPayne | peterS, I selected that the first time, when I tryed to start X it said something along the lines of /dev/input/mice does not exist, the second time I tryed /dev/psaux startx worked, but then I had no mouse |
| 07:00.22 | hagabaka | or is iconv not involved? |
| 07:00.27 | peterS | hagabaka: no, iconv has its own functions and tables, which most apps do not use |
| 07:00.30 | MajorPayne | or the mouse didn't work |
| 07:01.08 | otherpandora | Damn that partition is set nodev. No wonder I was having problems! |
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| 07:01.24 | peterS | hagabaka: /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ has system charmap files, those plus locale information are combined into some sort of binary format /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive when you 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' on debian |
| 07:01.55 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 07:02.02 | peterS | MajorPayne: uh. that would mean you have to load the 'mousedev' kernel module ('modprobe mousedev') |
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| 07:02.24 | peterS | MajorPayne: also, in case it isn't already loaded, you need the 'usbhid' module for USB mice in particular ('mousedev' is for more than just USB mice) |
| 07:02.28 | hagabaka | the encodign is in /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ |
| 07:02.58 | hagabaka | but it's not in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED... |
| 07:03.35 | peterS | hagabaka: oh hmmm, something's possibly screwed up then. see also /etc/locale.gen and the 'locale-gen' command, which is what 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' edits and runs |
| 07:04.39 | MajorPayne | peterS, It says: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice, and it says modeprobe: Can't locate module usbhid when I type modeprobe usbhid |
| 07:05.38 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: Look at the output of modprobe -l. Maybe you don't have that kernel module? |
| 07:05.41 | peterS | MajorPayne: oh hmmm, are you using kernel 2.4.27? ('uname -r' will tell.) in that case the module is called simply 'hid' rather than 'usbhid' |
| 07:06.08 | otherpandora | Eck, yeah kernel 2.4 had different names for USB stuff. |
| 07:06.26 | otherpandora | mount -o nodev was the problem. ^_^ debootstrap worked fine now. |
| 07:06.41 | MajorPayne | modeprobe hid worked |
| 07:06.47 | peterS | MajorPayne: also - your USB motherboard chip might or might not have a driver loaded. run this to find out which module you need: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 07:07.12 | peterS | MajorPayne: you will need either 'usb-ohci' or 'usb-uhci' or 'ehci-hcd', probably 2 of those 3, depending on the output of the lspci command |
| 07:07.37 | otherpandora | I didn't know lspci would tell you which of UH,OH,and EH. |
| 07:07.39 | peterS | otherpandora: haha. yeah, nodev would explain it. (: |
| 07:07.47 | lkthomas | when I install kernel 2.6, do I need to upgrade module-init-tools initrd-tools procps as well ? |
| 07:07.50 | peterS | otherpandora: yeah, interestingly, 'lspci -v' will |
| 07:08.27 | MajorPayne | ok, I was looking at my monitor manual, it doesn't mention anything about refresh rates or anything. It is a widescreen LCD, what should I have as the settings? |
| 07:08.39 | MajorPayne | the manual only has one page of english |
| 07:09.01 | otherpandora | Odd... VIA gives me two controllers, one says UHCI USB 1.1, the other USB 2.0 (rev 82) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]). |
| 07:09.05 | peterS | MajorPayne: it should mention horizontal sync range and vertical refresh range in the specs section. if not, just say 60-70 or something, that will usually work |
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| 07:09.25 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: And if it doesn't work, your monitor will explode! 8) |
| 07:09.34 | MajorPayne | oh noes! |
| 07:09.54 | hark | MajorPayne: it should be autodetected by dpkg-reconfigure or try hwinfo --monitor as well |
| 07:09.55 | peterS | otherpandora: not too odd. USB 2.0 is a strange beast, the EHCI chip interface _only_ handles USB 2.0, the UHCI chip handles USB 1.1, both chips connected to the _same_ root hub ports |
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| 07:10.51 | MajorPayne | hwinfo not found |
| 07:10.53 | otherpandora | Oh so if I use a 2.0 compatible device, I should modprobe ehci-hcd? |
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| 07:11.26 | hark | MajorPayne: install it.. |
| 07:11.53 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: It's the 'hwinfo' package. |
| 07:11.55 | peterS | otherpandora: correct |
| 07:12.01 | kupesoft | How can I delete the configuration files of ALL packages that have been removed? |
| 07:12.17 | peterS | otherpandora: some USB 2 devices plugged into a USB 2 port will not even work at all if ehci-hcd is not loaded. I've had to troubleshoot that more than once |
| 07:12.22 | iLLf8d | use purge when you remove them next time |
| 07:12.28 | otherpandora | peterS: Good to remember. |
| 07:12.28 | peterS | i.e., they don't just switch to USB 1.1 compat mode, for some reason |
| 07:12.42 | MajorPayne | ahh, thanks |
| 07:12.46 | hark | MajorPayne: usualyy it's just safe to choose the medium option and choose the resolution. dpkg-reconfigure defaults are OK. |
| 07:12.47 | otherpandora | Good thing all I have is this crappy digital camera that can't even be webcamized. |
| 07:12.49 | kupesoft | iLLf8d: how do I purge all the packages that have a residual config file, I can do it with synaptic, but not at the command line? |
| 07:12.57 | nachos | hey, how can i generate a config file from a debconfig template? |
| 07:13.12 | MajorPayne | hark: yea, I got the sync ranges right here |
| 07:13.13 | peterS | otherpandora: I think my digital camera (hardly top of the line) is one of those USB 2 devices that I mysteriously couldn't get to work until I remembered to modprobe ehci-hcd |
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| 07:14.00 | otherpandora | 3.2 megapixels, baby. |
| 07:14.02 | peterS | MajorPayne: horizontal sync ranges probably don't matter here, you just need to put in the vertical ones, which is probably similar to 55-75 Hz |
| 07:14.09 | otherpandora | You can almost make out people's eyes from 6 feet away. |
| 07:14.34 | kupesoft | How do I delete the residual config files from packages already removed? |
| 07:14.49 | kupesoft | I don't know the names of the packages that have been installed (and now removed). |
| 07:14.59 | peterS | otherpandora: oh come on, 3.2 mpix is like 2050x1550, that's a lot higher res than my monitor. and you can't tell me a full-screen background pic on my monitor is too grainy |
| 07:15.03 | MajorPayne | yea 56 - 76 |
| 07:15.09 | peterS | MajorPayne: heh, I was close |
| 07:15.34 | bokey | itchi, :P |
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| 07:16.31 | peterS | interestingly, with CRTs the limiting factor is generally the horizontal sync range, but with LCDs what matters is the vertical |
| 07:16.43 | otherpandora | peterS: I think it digitally enlarges the pictures to 3.2 megapixels. I can see the like, 4px blocks in the final image. |
| 07:16.45 | MajorPayne | ok, but I'm still haveing problems with the mouse . . . let me try something |
| 07:17.03 | peterS | otherpandora: kinda cheating to call it a 3.2mpix camera then. shame on your vendor |
| 07:17.04 | Supaplex | !fix MajorPayne's mouse |
| 07:17.19 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: If all else fails, you can read from the mouse device with dd. dd if=/dev/input/mice <then move the mouse> |
| 07:17.42 | otherpandora | peterS: Kodak EasyShare CX7300, and you didn't hear it from me! |
| 07:17.49 | peterS | otherpandora: don't bother with dd, use cat. but better yet, use od, so you don't get unprintable characters on your screen |
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| 07:18.02 | otherpandora | <3 dd |
| 07:18.43 | peterS | what's with this dd fetishism? I've seen it for years and I don't get it. a lot of people seem to think it is necessary to use 'dd' when talking to device files. which is nonsense. |
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| 07:18.45 | MajorPayne | The mouse doesn't even light up |
| 07:18.59 | otherpandora | I just like dd for everything. |
| 07:19.03 | Supaplex | [ bang head here ] |
| 07:19.13 | Guerin | cat - mouse |
| 07:19.17 | Guerin | it all makes sense |
| 07:19.19 | otherpandora | some program | sudo -u someuser dd of=~someuser/output |
| 07:19.21 | peterS | MajorPayne: after loading the 'uhci-hcd' module (or 'ohci-hcd' if you have OHCI ports), try unplugging / plugging the mouse |
| 07:19.45 | otherpandora | cat >~someuser/output is a permission error. Without a shell cat's kind of useless. |
| 07:20.02 | streuner | Guerin: reminds me to some lyrics of Roger Waters - it all makes sense :-) |
| 07:20.33 | peterS | otherpandora: ok but that's kind of a corner case, how many people need to sudo just to output a file a normal user can't? |
| 07:21.08 | peterS | streuner: all makes perfect sense, you mean (: that song is a bit silly though, he doesn't actually explain his conspiracy theories, you're supposed to just accept them |
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| 07:21.11 | streuner | Guerin: some people say, he is a genius about (lyrics) |
| 07:21.18 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:21.19 | otherpandora | peterS: More like how often. :p If I'm not root but need to make a file as root, it's useful. |
| 07:21.21 | nachos | hey |
| 07:21.24 | Guerin | roger waters is a marketing genius |
| 07:21.24 | Supaplex | | su -u them -c 'cat > ~them/foo' |
| 07:21.30 | nachos | how can i make debian generate a config file for exim4 ? |
| 07:21.34 | Guerin | as a musician, he's pretty good, but not a genius |
| 07:21.51 | Guerin | nachos: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 07:21.52 | otherpandora | nachos: Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure yet? I don't use exim so... |
| 07:21.53 | peterS | nachos: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config', which is not intuitive |
| 07:21.57 | nachos | thanks |
| 07:22.26 | peterS | I don't think they ever fixed the thing where 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' just silently does nothing, leaving you to stare at it and wonder wtf you're doing wrong. |
| 07:22.28 | otherpandora | dd is also good for picking apart faulty disks. Especially floppies; it can skip the errors. |
| 07:23.04 | MajorPayne | peterS: It says can't load module uhci-hcd :-/ |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | tell it you're serious |
| 07:23.04 | Supaplex | it's also great for creating large sparse files. |
| 07:23.18 | streuner | Guerin: well, his trauma was the dead of his father in WW2... |
| 07:23.19 | otherpandora | Oh yes, via seek and skip. |
| 07:23.23 | peterS | MajorPayne: do you know whether your ports are UHCI? that is what this will tell you: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
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| 07:23.57 | Supaplex | ouuu awkfoo. must play now. |
| 07:24.06 | streuner | Guerin: he hates every war and that's part of the lyrics |
| 07:24.35 | MajorPayne | peterS: Said command not found, I tryed apt-get install lspci but also not found |
| 07:24.48 | MajorPayne | but I just re pluged in the mouse |
| 07:24.48 | hark | huh |
| 07:24.49 | peterS | otherpandora: dd has its uses. but a lot of people (apparently including you) tell people to use it in _every_ situation where you are reading or writing a device file. so for example people will recommend "dd if=/tmp/foo.img of=/dev/fd0" rather than the much simpler "cp /tmp/foo.img /dev/fd0" |
| 07:24.52 | MajorPayne | and it light up |
| 07:24.54 | MajorPayne | :-) |
| 07:24.56 | streuner | MajorPayne: pciutils |
| 07:25.10 | peterS | MajorPayne: right, if it lights up now, that's cool, it probably works |
| 07:25.11 | Supaplex | awk '/U[sS]B/{print}' hehe cool. |
| 07:25.23 | otherpandora | peterS: Heck I use less to read device files sometimes. It catches unprintables compactly! less -f /dev/urandom |
| 07:25.34 | MajorPayne | Yes, it works, thankyou very much for all your help |
| 07:25.36 | MajorPayne | :-) |
| 07:25.40 | nachos | hurm |
| 07:25.49 | otherpandora | That's the best thing about USB devices. When they work, they light up! |
| 07:25.58 | MajorPayne | that's the most problems I ever had setting up X |
| 07:26.00 | peterS | MajorPayne: so now that you have it working, you want it to continue working next time you boot. add the module names to /etc/modules: 'mousedev' and 'hid' |
| 07:26.09 | nachos | dpkg-reconfigure doesnt generate a config file... ? |
| 07:26.10 | peterS | one per line, no quote marks |
| 07:26.35 | Supaplex | !modconf |
| 07:26.36 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will add to /etc/modules |
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| 07:26.49 | nachos | hey Supaplex |
| 07:27.01 | peterS | otherpandora: ever try less -F? that is my favorite replacement for tail -f. in fact I use less +S -F a lot for reading log files, +S makes log files a lot easier to read by chopping lines so they don't wrap |
| 07:27.07 | MajorPayne | peterS, I tryed to add so many modules, how do I know what ones made it work? |
| 07:27.35 | Supaplex | nachos: I just ate some of your kind for a late night snack. :) |
| 07:27.36 | peterS | MajorPayne: what USB chip types do you have? the lspci line I gave you twice should tell you. (you do have to install the 'pciutils' package, but I think that's a good thing to have anyway) |
| 07:27.58 | nachos | Supaplex: yay |
| 07:28.19 | MajorPayne | peterS, Ok, just give me a sec |
| 07:29.05 | otherpandora | peterS: Usually I just start with less and then press 'F' while in the curses interface. |
| 07:29.43 | Supaplex | hence the deep pun, less is more :) |
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| 07:29.59 | otherpandora | There's even a most command. |
| 07:30.00 | hark | hmm, is there a command to rescan usb devices? |
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| 07:30.08 | MajorPayne | peterS, that line doesn't have any output at all |
| 07:30.14 | Supaplex | hark: for what purpose? |
| 07:30.21 | peterS | otherpandora: yeah, that works too ... in fact I got it backwards, I said +S -F when I meant -S +F, where + of course means equivalent to typing F in the curses interface (: |
| 07:30.33 | Supaplex | MajorPayne: lspci | grep -i usb |
| 07:30.37 | otherpandora | hark: Aside from unplugging and plugging... no idea. |
| 07:30.41 | nachos | ffs |
| 07:30.45 | nachos | why isnt this working |
| 07:31.00 | nachos | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config... is not generating a config file |
| 07:31.02 | peterS | MajorPayne: sure? it should certainly have _some_ output. but try what Supaplex said |
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| 07:31.33 | MajorPayne | Supaplex had a couple of lines, what should I be looking for? |
| 07:31.45 | Supaplex | peterS: I tried your snippet, and got some unusual output. looks like mangled lower nibbles of pci id's :P |
| 07:31.53 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 07:31.53 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 07:31.54 | MajorPayne | USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB shows up on three lines |
| 07:32.05 | MajorPayne | ok |
| 07:32.05 | Supaplex | humm ok. |
| 07:32.09 | Supaplex | one line is ok :) |
| 07:32.12 | peterS | MajorPayne: NEC corporation is OHCI, I believe. |
| 07:32.22 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: Check the man page for grep. '-C n' will give you lines of context. |
| 07:32.49 | peterS | MajorPayne: so you need to make sure the 'usb-ohci' module is loaded. for that matter, check 'lsmod | grep hcd' to see what modules you have in there now |
| 07:32.49 | Supaplex | I have intel (usb1.1) and nec(2.0;pci expansion card) |
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| 07:33.10 | peterS | Supaplex: ahh, maybe his NEC is EHCI then |
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| 07:33.28 | Supaplex | it didn't hurt me to load them all :) |
| 07:33.43 | MajorPayne | ehci-hcd and usbcore |
| 07:33.44 | Supaplex | I'll get patient some day here and isolate which ones I need. hehe |
| 07:34.01 | nachos | great |
| 07:34.16 | otherpandora | MajorPayne: What you can do if you're totally clueless is try the UH, OH and EH one after another. The one that makes your USB thingy light up is the right one. |
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| 07:34.44 | hark | Supaplex: don't want to unplug and plug 'em back again |
| 07:34.49 | Supaplex | nachos: you didn't delete some config/snippet did you? |
| 07:35.36 | sid | hmm, my headphone jack on my laptop doesn't work.(it worked yesterday when I was using Debian GNU/Linux), my hdd crashed today and I just put in a new drive and did a format. sound works from the laptop speakers, but not when I plugin the headphones.(I used these headphones on another computer 2 minutes ago and they work) |
| 07:35.50 | hagabaka | is there actually hunspell-dictionary-ja or is it just a "placeholder" package? |
| 07:36.46 | nachos | Supaplex: nope my friend |
| 07:36.50 | sid | nevermind, for some weird reason alsamixer muted headphone by default when I installed it |
| 07:36.50 | otherpandora | hagabaka: See aptitude show hunspell-dictionary-ja |
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| 07:37.35 | hagabaka | well, i used apt-cache show |
| 07:37.40 | nachos | this is borked |
| 07:37.51 | otherpandora | Oh right, apt-cache can do that too huh. |
| 07:38.02 | hagabaka | why is it suggested if it doesn't even exist? just confusing... |
| 07:38.22 | otherpandora | Hum... try aptitude. apt-cache seems to have different output. |
| 07:38.42 | Supaplex | hagabaka: what's requesting that package? |
| 07:38.54 | hagabaka | language-support-ja suggests it |
| 07:39.17 | hagabaka | maybe they thought if the package comes into existence in the future, it should be suggested |
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| 07:39.30 | hagabaka | but i think they should really add it only when it exists... |
| 07:39.42 | HappyHobo | Hi folks |
| 07:39.56 | HappyHobo | Does debian have a boot.device.hints file? |
| 07:40.25 | otherpandora | What are boot device hints? |
| 07:40.27 | hagabaka | oh |
| 07:40.36 | hagabaka | sorry, i guess it's ubuntu-only again |
| 07:40.44 | Supaplex | ha |
| 07:40.56 | HappyHobo | otherpandora it's a file that freebsd uses to turn on mice, etc upon boot |
| 07:41.11 | HappyHobo | I'm having the same no mouse issue with my debian net install |
| 07:41.12 | Supaplex | hagabaka: distro orgy eh? |
| 07:41.23 | HappyHobo | had not having* |
| 07:41.26 | otherpandora | HappyHobo: The equivalent in most Linux systems would probably be /etc/modules, but it's a different system. Also udev. |
| 07:41.44 | Supaplex | + init.d |
| 07:41.46 | hagabaka | but googling hunspell-dictionary-ja shows some results, mostly about debian |
| 07:41.53 | HappyHobo | I want to go to debian if this doesn't work |
| 07:41.58 | HappyHobo | laters |
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| 07:42.01 | hagabaka | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/openoffice.org-l10n-ja |
| 07:42.03 | otherpandora | hagabaka: Don't worry about it. Just ignore it and you'll be fine. |
| 07:42.32 | Supaplex | silly. he runs off before we even know what stuffs he's after. |
| 07:42.39 | hagabaka | i know, but the "suggests" entry suggested that the package is there, and i got all excited |
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| 07:42.46 | Supaplex | ok, so he wants something loaded on boot. *yawn* |
| 07:43.10 | otherpandora | hagabaka: It's a virtual package, so other packages will fill its slot, but I don't know how to find what they are. |
| 07:43.37 | terribleCabbage | Hello, sorry to bother you. |
| 07:43.39 | jair | guys, I am using x11vnc, and I was wondering if I can connect to it tunneling through ssh if I am in a remote place. |
| 07:43.45 | hagabaka | it's called "hunspell-dictionary-ja" though...a dictionary for hunspell, doesn't sound virtual |
| 07:43.55 | terribleCabbage | I'm having terrible trouble tracking down the install floppies for Debian Sarge. Any idea where I might find them? |
| 07:44.00 | otherpandora | terribleCabbage: Too late, you have dishonored me in your bothering. We must KUNG FU FIGHT! |
| 07:44.06 | Supaplex | jair: sure, why not? |
| 07:44.08 | hagabaka | it seems that those entries are automatically generated... |
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| 07:44.14 | terribleCabbage | (Best I've found is a 5.3MB netboot ISO, which obviously isn't what I'm looking for.) |
| 07:44.14 | jair | also i am having problems to understad all the features... |
| 07:44.24 | jair | Supaplex: Thank you for answering |
| 07:44.26 | terribleCabbage | otherpandora: Warning, I'm fast as lightning. |
| 07:44.30 | ace_me | I've installed a minimal debian than gnome |
| 07:44.32 | terribleCabbage | And, uh, a little bit frightning. |
| 07:44.35 | terribleCabbage | With expert timing. |
| 07:44.39 | ace_me | sow what should I install to have a X ? |
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| 07:45.00 | otherpandora | terribleCabbage: What are these ...floppies you speak of? Anything like USB flash memory? |
| 07:45.05 | hark | ace_me: x-window-system-core |
| 07:45.06 | nachos | this is rubbish |
| 07:45.16 | Supaplex | all my X's live in $PATH |
| 07:45.21 | jair | Supaplex: the thing is that I will have to first then connect through ssh |
| 07:46.13 | MajorPayne | peterS: ok, I got the USB working, but now I can't remember what I needed to load to get /dev/input/mice to work. I would scrole up to read it, but my IRC client only keeps so much of the conversation |
| 07:46.21 | otherpandora | jair: Don't use x11vnc; just use X on both sides. The part with the monitor is the server, the remote part is the client. |
| 07:46.22 | Supaplex | jair: the ssh manpage has a bewildering array of options for forwarding. I'd start there first. |
| 07:46.45 | peterS | terribleCabbage: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 07:46.46 | jair | Supaplex: Thanks |
| 07:47.00 | Supaplex | yea, there's xforwarding to. |
| 07:47.15 | terribleCabbage | otherpandora: I have a sparc box here that can't boot from CD. It's known issue with this particular machine (SunBlade 100). |
| 07:47.16 | peterS | MajorPayne: besides the main USB module you need 'hid' for USB keyboard/mouse support and 'mousedev' for the /dev/input/mice interface |
| 07:47.17 | jair | otherpandora: how do I operate that one? |
| 07:47.19 | terribleCabbage | peterS: Thanks. |
| 07:47.29 | peterS | terribleCabbage: oh if you're using sparc of course you have to adjust the URL a bit (: |
| 07:47.39 | otherpandora | jair: See the man page. You ssh from server to client, with the -X option. |
| 07:47.41 | jair | Supaplex: there is documentation somewhere |
| 07:47.44 | MajorPayne | peterS, ok, thanks, sorry to have you repeat yourself |
| 07:47.52 | jair | ohh ok |
| 07:48.09 | Supaplex | man ssh - lots to read =) |
| 07:48.10 | peterS | terribleCabbage: in fact, hmmm, I don't see sparc floppy images there, I wonder what the story is on those |
| 07:48.32 | Supaplex | !burn floppies |
| 07:48.37 | otherpandora | terribleCabbage: Yeah I'm just giving you a hard time, sorry. |
| 07:48.54 | peterS | MajorPayne: no problem. _probably_ none of this would have been necessary if you were using a 2.6.8 kernel, or a new install of etch (debian 4.0, not yet released) |
| 07:49.17 | terribleCabbage | peterS: Hrm. Thanks. *Looks more* |
| 07:49.44 | otherpandora | If my sources.list has 'unstable' in it instead of 'sid' when etch becomes unstable, will I be effectively on etch? |
| 07:49.44 | karsten | peterS: Got ice? |
| 07:49.56 | karsten | otherpandora: No. |
| 07:50.01 | karsten | otherpandora: sid is always unstable. |
| 07:50.15 | karsten | otherpandora: If you're on testing, you'll go to IIRC "lenny". |
| 07:50.15 | otherpandora | Oh, I thought sid was just the current unstable. |
| 07:50.16 | terribleCabbage | peterS: ... Damn, you're right. No wonder I couldn't find it. |
| 07:50.24 | karsten | !sid |
| 07:50.24 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 07:50.30 | terribleCabbage | No. Think Sid from Toy Story. Very unstable. |
| 07:50.32 | terribleCabbage | ... |
| 07:50.33 | Supaplex | heh etch is testing and will become stable sometime soon. |
| 07:50.37 | terribleCabbage | Damn you, bot! :@ |
| 07:50.48 | peterS | karsten: everywhere except major streets, which were plowed days ago. nice ice crusts on grass and minor streets. tomorrow is forecast to be well above freezing, we can hope some of it starts to melt |
| 07:51.10 | fooz | peterS, where you at? |
| 07:51.12 | karsten | peterS: remember: ice is slippery. |
| 07:51.16 | karsten | peterS: Wet ice is hell. |
| 07:51.23 | otherpandora | peterS: Or you could slice the icicles and pretend that they are money. |
| 07:51.33 | peterS | otherpandora: you're correct, sid will always be unstable |
| 07:51.34 | nachos | arrgh this is so annoying |
| 07:51.39 | Guerin | slicicles! |
| 07:51.50 | fooz | it's weird to have snow and ice in Las Vegas |
| 07:52.10 | Supaplex | ladies and gentlement, Guerin hasn't lost it, because he hasn't had it for a long time anyhow. |
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| 07:52.15 | peterS | otherpandora: the problem is that my only nonpedal transportation is a bicycle with road tires (thin and smooth), and riding on ice is not as much fun as it sounds |
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| 07:52.22 | Supaplex | s/ment/men/ |
| 07:52.25 | Guerin | Supaplex: where are our slicicles! |
| 07:52.32 | otherpandora | peterS: Well I'l agree with you there. :/ |
| 07:52.46 | Supaplex | Guerin: your assets are tEh frozen! |
| 07:52.54 | otherpandora | bicycles have pedals. |
| 07:53.07 | Guerin | Supaplex: how much of nothing can you freeze? |
| 07:53.12 | peterS | it can be done, if the ice doesn't have bumps or slushy spots (those are just as bad in their own way, like riding in sand), but you always have to worry when you ride across ice |
| 07:53.22 | Guerin | peterS: get those tyres with spikes on |
| 07:53.26 | Guerin | those look like fun |
| 07:53.31 | Supaplex | Guerin: all of it :) |
| 07:53.59 | peterS | Guerin: heh. on a bike? and it wouldn't be very practical for the majority of my riding, which is on major streets of concrete and asphalt that are regularly plowed |
| 07:54.03 | nachos | anyone know where the exim4 config file is called, and where it lives? |
| 07:54.05 | ace_me | hark now what to try please to have a gnome x |
| 07:54.08 | nachos | it seems borked on debian |
| 07:54.19 | Supaplex | nachos: /etc/exim4/* |
| 07:54.25 | otherpandora | peterS: What we need is the bice skate! |
| 07:54.27 | Guerin | peterS: they invented this thing called a `spanner' which lets you, among other things, swap the wheels off your bike |
| 07:54.40 | nachos | Supaplex: what config file does exim4 try to read though? |
| 07:54.49 | nachos | Supaplex: theres only templates in that directory |
| 07:54.50 | cornernote | please help: i did an lvremove on a snapshot i made, it took ages, so i rebooted.. now it wont boot :( |
| 07:54.51 | peterS | Guerin: but carrying around spare wheels as I ride, just for the last 100 meters of a trip, is equally illogical |
| 07:54.57 | Supaplex | nachos: beats me, I just try to avoid it. :) |
| 07:54.57 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 07:55.08 | Guerin | i presumed the roads might be uniform-ish |
| 07:55.12 | peterS | not to mention buying them in the first place (: |
| 07:55.40 | peterS | I do almost all my traveling on major streets, it's just the "last mile" (maybe 200m) at each end that are annoying |
| 07:55.41 | Guerin | driving on ice is frightening |
| 07:55.46 | ace_me | so I've installed gnome , than x-window-system-core now where's X pleaze ? |
| 07:55.49 | Guerin | i suppose biking must be the same |
| 07:55.53 | cornernote | looks like a format and reinstall.... :( |
| 07:55.54 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:56.11 | cornernote | lvm seems pretty unstable |
| 07:56.12 | Guerin | ace_me: run `startx' |
| 07:56.15 | peterS | not least because you have to be afraid of cars going out of control and hit you |
| 07:56.21 | MajorPayne | humm, last time I started kde, the sound worked fine, but now I see an error message, Drror while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | peterS: heh, right. |
| 07:56.44 | Guerin | the first season I had to drive on ice I wrote off my car coming down a mountain |
| 07:56.48 | nachos | this is getting very frustrating |
| 07:56.56 | peterS | MajorPayne: so uh, that means your kernel sound driver either wasn't loaded, or failed to load |
| 07:56.56 | Guerin | so yeah, that's a real possibility |
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| 07:57.04 | ace_me | nice Guerin |
| 07:57.31 | Guerin | stupid gravity, gets me every time |
| 07:57.33 | peterS | MajorPayne: 'lspci | grep audio' tells you what sort of sound chip you have - what is it? |
| 07:58.09 | ace_me | guerin I see only a debian logo |
| 07:58.23 | terribleCabbage | So, I have a sparc box I can't boot via CD. There's currently an install of Solaris 10 on there, to which I don't have access. Any ideas on how I can get delicious Debian installed on it? :( |
| 07:58.29 | Guerin | ace_me: move your mouse to the top edge of the screen |
| 07:58.47 | Supaplex | nachos: apropos exim has some hints |
| 07:58.48 | MajorPayne | Sound Blaster live, it says something about DMU10k1 |
| 07:58.58 | peterS | terribleCabbage: the usual solution is to netboot it using debian-installer files on another machine. do you have another linux/unix box nearby (on the same network) that you have root access to? |
| 07:59.01 | MajorPayne | is that what I want to put in the /etc/modules? |
| 07:59.11 | Guerin | terribleCabbage: netboot/usb key? |
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| 07:59.14 | ace_me | startx still nothing Guerin |
| 07:59.27 | ace_me | still nothing Guerin when ,move the mnouse to the top edge |
| 07:59.31 | Guerin | ace_me: if you see a debian logo, x is started |
| 07:59.51 | peterS | terribleCabbage: if you power cycle the sparc, you should be able to get to an OpenBoot prompt somehow - don't ask me how (: from there you just type 'boot net', after you have set up the TFTP and DHCP servers on the other machine |
| 07:59.52 | ace_me | ok and that's all the graphic... menu where are the rest ? |
| 07:59.56 | Guerin | ace_me: ok, drop back to a root shell and run aptitude install gdm; |
| 08:00.05 | hark | ace_me: install gdm, that's not gnome |
| 08:00.46 | ace_me | how to exit from that graphic screen ? or should i open a new console ? |
| 08:00.54 | Guerin | ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 08:01.20 | nachos | great |
| 08:01.23 | nachos | i cant even mail locally |
| 08:01.25 | nachos | fantastic |
| 08:01.28 | Guerin | MajorPayne: modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 08:01.34 | Supaplex | nachos: did I do a good job? :) |
| 08:01.39 | nachos | you helped |
| 08:01.46 | MajorPayne | ahh, modprobe emu10k1 worked |
| 08:01.53 | MajorPayne | what would the snd do? |
| 08:02.09 | Guerin | MajorPayne: emu10k1 is probably OSS; you probably want alsa |
| 08:02.14 | Guerin | oss bad |
| 08:02.16 | Guerin | alsa good |
| 08:02.24 | lkthomas | guys |
| 08:02.31 | lkthomas | why apt-get does not contain mysql-5 ? |
| 08:02.34 | MajorPayne | ok |
| 08:02.35 | Guerin | lkthomas: it does. |
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| 08:02.44 | otherpandora | Eck, I must sleep. |
| 08:02.45 | Supaplex | nachos: ouuuu, update-exim4<TAB><TAB> |
| 08:02.48 | smimp | advanced linux sound architecture and ? open source sound? |
| 08:02.52 | peterS | terribleCabbage: basically you set up TFTP and BOOTP (usually via dhcpd) services on the other machine, and point the bootp "filename" to the boot.img file on your TFTP server, the one from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/boot.img |
| 08:03.00 | Guerin | smimp: open sound system, which wasn't really |
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| 08:03.10 | Guerin | since some of its drivers were payware |
| 08:03.12 | lkthomas | opppss, yep |
| 08:03.13 | lkthomas | it does |
| 08:03.17 | lkthomas | but not 5.1, right ? |
| 08:03.22 | Supaplex | lkthomas: because we have postgresql! :-) |
| 08:03.26 | Guerin | lkthomas: 5.1 is in experimental |
| 08:03.31 | lkthomas | right |
| 08:03.36 | ace_me | I've installed gdm and startx is the same ! no menus only a debian logo ... |
| 08:03.48 | Guerin | ace_me: once you install gdm, don't startx |
| 08:03.49 | peterS | Guerin: payne still has kernel 2.4 though, so alsa is an extra step |
| 08:03.57 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:04.01 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 08:04.25 | Guerin | ace_me: it should run the gdm login screen by itself; if not, run /etc/init.d/gdm start and see what gives |
| 08:04.39 | smimp | i still get sound blocking on occasion.. arts/esound still the best/only way around that? |
| 08:04.53 | Guerin | smimp: god no. dmix, if you use alsa. |
| 08:05.04 | Supaplex | nachos: /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 08:05.21 | Supaplex | !eat Guerin |
| 08:05.21 | smimp | Guerin: just been using the default, haven't 'played' for fun in a while :) |
| 08:05.28 | lkthomas | for normal apt-get without backport tree, mysql5 does not exists ? |
| 08:05.45 | Supaplex | lkthomas: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:06.17 | peterS | lkthomas: mysql 5 is not in debian stable, correct. |
| 08:07.01 | lkthomas | peterS, so I have to use backport ? |
| 08:07.16 | peterS | lkthomas: that or etch (debian 4.0, not yet released). |
| 08:07.26 | lkthomas | woo, ok |
| 08:07.34 | Supaplex | or nothing at all (you have a choice after all) |
| 08:07.35 | peterS | lkthomas: or just reconsider your need for mysql 5 and whether you can get by with either mysql 4 or postgresql instead |
| 08:07.52 | lkthomas | it's ok, I could use 5.0 :) |
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| 08:08.58 | ace_me | guerin -bash: etc/init.d/gdm: No such file or directory |
| 08:09.52 | peterS | ace_me: not etc/init.d/gdm but /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 08:11.25 | ace_me | I've did now's ok Guerin |
| 08:11.47 | Supaplex | real men use xterm as their window manager. |
| 08:12.08 | peterS | xterm? screen is my wm |
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| 08:12.33 | fooz | real men use a panel of lights and toggle switches |
| 08:12.36 | peterS | (not really, but I do sit in text mode with screen and linux vts as my window management tools, more than graphics mode) |
| 08:12.55 | peterS | whoa, it's the zoof |
| 08:13.00 | fooz | peterS |
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| 08:14.02 | ace_me | Guerin I've logged in but still only a logo with debian after login |
| 08:14.46 | ace_me | Supaplex I would like to xonfigure only a router in a console |
| 08:14.53 | ace_me | that would be nice I think ... |
| 08:14.57 | ace_me | maybe I will reinstall |
| 08:14.58 | deadcat | you guys have trouble building nvidia-source with 2.6.19? |
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| 08:15.51 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:16.06 | fooz | why not 2.6.19? |
| 08:16.07 | Supaplex | flwm is nice for a small footprint. |
| 08:16.09 | brkthechains | Can anybody here thats very hardware saavy help me with a motherboard/RAM problem? |
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| 08:16.24 | deadcat | fooz: i just get whatever is on kernel.org |
| 08:16.29 | Supaplex | !tell brkthechains -about ask |
| 08:16.34 | smimp | ace_me: what wm's do you have installed, did you try selecting a session, on the gdm screen? |
| 08:16.42 | Supaplex | brkthechains: or #hardware if it's not at all debianish |
| 08:16.52 | ace_me | smimp how's that ? |
| 08:17.00 | brkthechains | thanks |
| 08:17.02 | ace_me | gnome smimp |
| 08:17.11 | ace_me | wm ? |
| 08:17.23 | Supaplex | !wm |
| 08:17.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 08:17.56 | smimp | ace_me: i'd go with the bot :) |
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| 08:18.14 | Supaplex | or just quit. |
| 08:18.22 | Supaplex | heh :p |
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| 08:19.44 | Xormic | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.47 | Xormic | whoops. |
| 08:19.48 | Xormic | -_- |
| 08:19.52 | ace_me | can you repeat smimp |
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| 08:20.54 | smimp | ace_me: did you just logout/back in? were there any session options on the login screen.. i think its in the lower left corner by default |
| 08:21.06 | brkthechains | supaplex: Everybody seems to be AFK in #hardware, may i put my pastebin post in here and see if i can get any input? it would be much appreciated |
| 08:21.37 | ace_me | smimp I have nothing else than a background and a debian logo |
| 08:21.41 | ace_me | after that login |
| 08:21.45 | ace_me | [10:20] * Xormic is now known as Xorm |
| 08:21.48 | ace_me | [10:20] <smimp> ace_me: did you just logout/back in? were there anysession options on the login |
| 08:21.53 | Supaplex | brkthechains: yea, sure. |
| 08:22.00 | Supaplex | brkthechains: YMMV :) |
| 08:22.11 | brkthechains | alright, http://pastebin.com/861874 |
| 08:25.09 | Supaplex | brkthechains: have you tried with the bare minimum to post? eg, power, mainboard, ram, video? no keyboard, mouse, usb anything, nic, etc etc. |
| 08:25.40 | brkthechains | I have, i had it just on power, mainboard, and ram, the mobo had integrated video |
| 08:26.05 | Supaplex | still no post? |
| 08:26.14 | ace_me | `I see only a gconfd-2 in ps -all |
| 08:26.25 | brkthechains | correct, and i know the power supply was fully functional, so i can only assume it had to be the RAM |
| 08:26.31 | brkthechains | that intel board seems to be very very picky |
| 08:26.34 | Supaplex | ace_me: what about ps auxww |
| 08:27.25 | ace_me | is really incredible difficult to have a simple system running |
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| 08:27.37 | ace_me | to have a nat configured with a minimum install |
| 08:27.54 | ace_me | even for free is too difficult |
| 08:28.05 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 08:28.05 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 08:28.24 | Supaplex | brkthechains: I'm pretty much a kingston fan, only because I've never had to question their specs. See if pqi has any compatibility stuff on their website. Sounds like you're on the right track with the memory compatibility theory. |
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| 08:28.58 | Caitriona | Supaplex: I'm also a kingston fan, I've had good experiences with their warrenty department twice. |
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| 08:29.48 | brkthechains | supaplex: reading up on it now, my real questions lies with that asus motherboard, do you think the ram will work with that instead of the intel board? |
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| 08:30.38 | Supaplex | Caitriona: that's good to know. I have some crap noname memory I spent lots of $$$ on, only to find out their soldering job sucks almost as much as figuring out who made the stuff. |
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| 08:31.53 | Supaplex | brkthechains: have you checked pqi's website for that type of information? That's where I'd look. |
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| 08:32.22 | Caitriona | I've had 2 kingston RMAs in 6 years. |
| 08:32.30 | Caitriona | both were from the same lot of PC100 |
| 08:32.32 | Supaplex | I've had 0 :) |
| 08:32.33 | Caitriona | so I can't complain. |
| 08:32.56 | Supaplex | but then, I only own 3 sticks of kingston :) |
| 08:33.01 | brkthechains | well, i figured as long as asus' website says the mobo will work with PC 800/667/533 DDR2 ram, I figure I should be ok? |
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| 08:33.32 | Supaplex | brkthechains: I would hope so, if you can trust the ram :) |
| 08:34.09 | Supaplex | ace_me: back so soon? :) |
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| 08:34.57 | smimp | heh.. my x crashed |
| 08:35.01 | Supaplex | !lart bitchx quit messages |
| 08:35.09 | Supaplex | YEH! go dpkg! |
| 08:35.19 | Supaplex | ok, I'm off to bed now. :-P |
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| 08:36.58 | brkthechains | thanks for the help |
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| 08:40.41 | hotest | any body tell me something |
| 08:41.05 | hotest | i want some help about hacking |
| 08:42.20 | hark | !hack hotest |
| 08:42.20 | peterS | hotest: the way you ask that question makes it sound like you are some script kiddie interested in illegally accessing other people's computers. this is the wrong channel for that, you want ##losers |
| 08:42.21 | hotest | hark can you please tell me more about hacking |
| 08:42.28 | cornernote | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:42.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 08:42.51 | hotest | ok i m sorry peterS |
| 08:42.51 | hark | #losers for the official channel |
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| 08:43.07 | hotest | ok i m sorry you too hark |
| 08:43.34 | Supaplex | hotest: think about the legal issues, wash, rinse, repeat |
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| 08:43.59 | hark | !law |
| 08:43.59 | dpkg | I AM THE LAW! |
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| 08:44.19 | Supaplex | !shoot dpkg |
| 08:44.26 | hark | hotest: what's your question? |
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| 08:45.12 | hark | Supaplex: go to sleep already ;) |
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| 08:46.15 | hotest | hey hark you want to go private |
| 08:46.39 | hark | uh.. sorry, no |
| 08:46.50 | peterS | hotest: if you don't have anything debian-related to discuss, this is the wrong channel for you |
| 08:46.57 | hark | !private |
| 08:46.57 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
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| 08:47.16 | hotest | means i want to chat with you in private |
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| 08:47.46 | Alma | hi... I have installed from a set of DVDs I bought (dated 200609), but I want to update |
| 08:47.54 | hotest | ager main aap se kuch poochonga to aap naraz ho jao gey |
| 08:47.58 | hark | hotest: if it's not a debian related question, i'm afraid not. |
| 08:48.09 | smimp | so is that supposed to be hottest or ho test? hrm |
| 08:48.24 | Supaplex | hohohoooo |
| 08:48.26 | hark | huh? |
| 08:48.32 | hotest | per muje yehi sab poochna hai |
| 08:48.39 | hotest | aap batao main kya karoon |
| 08:48.42 | peterS | hotest: in English, please. and please keep it related to Debian. |
| 08:48.49 | Supaplex | hotest: goodnight troll :) |
| 08:48.53 | hotest | muje es ka bohat shouk hai |
| 08:48.57 | Alma | hi... I have installed from a set of DVDs I bought (dated 200609), but I want to update all the softwares, not merely the security.debian ones. I have added extra repositories in my sources.list file, but how do I ask debian to update every software that is installed? aptitude says something like "no packages were selected for upgrade or install" |
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| 08:49.03 | peterS | very well |
| 08:49.07 | peterS | no soup for you |
| 08:49.29 | jozan | ha! soup nazi rocks |
| 08:49.38 | Supaplex | ok. so NOW the monitor is off. HAH |
| 08:49.45 | hark | no soup for you! |
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| 08:50.20 | peterS | jozan: believe it or not, I never saw the soup nazi episode. but I heard enough references to it online that I found the script and read it |
| 08:50.22 | hark | Alma: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 08:50.33 | Alma | 3.1 |
| 08:51.09 | hark | Alma: and you want to upgrade to etch (currently testing)? |
| 08:51.14 | ace_me | it seem that now work dpkg |
| 08:51.30 | ace_me | it would work without any gnome and gdm installed ? |
| 08:51.42 | ace_me | could I uninstall gnome and gdm ? |
| 08:51.51 | tarzeau | !remove gdm |
| 08:52.00 | tarzeau | !uninstall gnome |
| 08:52.03 | tarzeau | ace_me: yes |
| 08:52.05 | cydork | !remove gnome |
| 08:52.06 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 08:52.06 | hark | !remove gnome |
| 08:52.08 | Alma | well... I see, so the sarge stuff is all exactly the same as the disks except for security updates? ok fine and well. I'd like to update to the latest possible versions yes, but going from sarge to etch via apt-get upgrade sounds like it might give me issues... tho yes that is what i want |
| 08:52.37 | Supaplex | !nodm |
| 08:52.38 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:54.02 | hark | Alma: well, /msg dpkg sarge->etch if you really need to upgrade. |
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| 08:54.36 | Alma | right thanks :) theres a lot of old info on the web; appreciate your help |
| 08:54.52 | smimp | anyone used virtual box/know speed comparisons to qemu/vmware |
| 08:54.59 | row__ | resources/stable wise whats better KDE or Gnome? |
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| 08:55.40 | hark | row__: roughly equal, though if you replace metacity, it might have the edge |
| 08:56.09 | nvz | I thought etch was frozen |
| 08:56.12 | row__ | would would have the edge gnome? |
| 08:56.17 | peterS | etch is frozen |
| 08:56.18 | cydork | nvz: it is.. |
| 08:56.19 | nvz | megashitty |
| 08:56.39 | nvz | cydork: then is it proper to still be calling it testing? |
| 08:56.49 | peterS | it is still known as testing, yes |
| 08:56.49 | cydork | nvz: yes. |
| 08:57.04 | peterS | testing is simply not being updated _automatically_ by unstable, the way it is when it is not frozen |
| 08:57.28 | hark | !frozen |
| 08:57.29 | dpkg | i guess frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 08:57.41 | peterS | there is not a separate state 'frozen' anymore, like there was in the old days before testing existed. now testing remains testing until the day it becomes stable |
| 08:58.01 | cydork | when testing gets frozen, things get boring! :P |
| 08:58.10 | nvz | I see |
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| 08:58.35 | peterS | cydork: you think? I think that's the exciting time, getting to beg the release managers to make freeze exceptions for your favorite package which just _has_ to get such-and-such an update before the next stable release or else the world will end |
| 09:00.33 | cydork | peterS: heh i am not a maintainer (yet!), but i see your point. |
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| 09:01.09 | hark | sid feels a little left out with all the attention etch is getting ;) |
| 09:01.43 | peterS | hark: ah maybe, but sid gets to participate in the etch process, maintainers have been asked not to make any updates to sid that are not intended for etch, if possible |
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| 09:03.44 | hark | yeah, there's experimental for that stuff now. |
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| 09:04.53 | peterS | yep |
| 09:05.26 | Alma | OK I used apt-setup to create a new sources.list (using mirrors.kernel.org), then I replaced 'main' with 'etch' in that file. How do I ask apt to re-read the sources? if I open aptitude now, it fails messily :( |
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| 09:06.00 | peterS | Alma: don't replace 'main' with 'etch', instead replace 'stable' with 'etch' |
| 09:06.02 | cydork | Alma: you were suppose to replace "sarge" to etch not "main" |
| 09:06.03 | hark | Alma: uh,, not main |
| 09:06.15 | peterS | Alma: well, either 'stable' or 'sarge', whichever one you have, replace that with 'etch'. |
| 09:06.23 | peterS | but 'main' should still be 'main' |
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| 09:07.07 | Alma | oi my bad. thanks.... *tries |
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| 09:15.45 | cornernote | doesn anyone know what package NTPL is ? |
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| 09:17.22 | cornernote | *NPTL |
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| 09:22.11 | smimp | !versions |
| 09:22.12 | smimp | !repositories |
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| 09:31.47 | cilkay | Hello. I'm looking for a windowing/desktop manager that is lightweight but doesn't involve much effort for users to add shortcuts to the menus and/or desktop. I know KDE fits the bill perfectly but for the "lightweight" part. This is going to be used exclusively across an Internet connection over VNC or FreeNX (if I can find packages for FreeNX for Etch). Suggestions? |
| 09:31.58 | cilkay | twm is too spartan for most users |
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| 09:32.15 | cilkay | I'm thinking IceWM, or something along those lines. |
| 09:32.42 | cilkay | It wouldn't totally unfamiliar to Windows users. |
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| 09:36.43 | cydork | cilkay: try xfce |
| 09:37.09 | cydork | cilkay: icewm, fluxbox are not bad too.. |
| 09:37.22 | cilkay | I have Xubuntu installed on an old machine here. It's all right I suppose. |
| 09:37.57 | cilkay | I haven't paid attention to its resource utilization but it can't be all that bad since my son uses it on a Celeron 366 with 160M of RAM. |
| 09:39.28 | aidehua | Can "Classless IN-ADDR.ARPA delegation" (RFC2317) apply to a /22 ? |
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| 09:40.57 | cilkay | cydork: this looks useful ==> http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 09:41.28 | sep | aidehua, not realy since a /22 is 4 classes if you have a /25 or smaller it can be used |
| 09:41.50 | sep | to get revers delegation for a /22 you just revers delegade the 4 classes |
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| 09:43.21 | aidehua | sep: Aha! I see. |
| 09:43.43 | sparr | i used to have a working MTA. it may not work any more. reportbug says it used /usr/sbin/sendmail, but the bug report isnt on b.d.o and i didnt recieve a copy. /var/log/mail.log is empty. how can i find out what happened to the bug report? (note: if it hadnt been beaten to death already, id bring out the web based bug system horse right about now) |
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| 09:44.07 | aidehua | sep: One doesn't need to worry about CIDR reverse DNS for masks shorter than /24 because at the /24 boundary, authority is split into different zonefiles anyway. |
| 09:44.14 | aidehua | sep: thanks :) |
| 09:44.29 | misreckoning | mentor: may I ask you something on private channel? |
| 09:45.39 | jetscreamer | ooo kinky |
| 09:46.46 | simon23 | hello, can please anyone tell me a "tool" that logs my bootscreen to a file? its too fast to recognize anything. is there a tool named bootlogd ? i havent found any tool for that. |
| 09:46.53 | cahoot | simon23: enable bootlogd |
| 09:47.03 | simon23 | cahoot: how? |
| 09:47.06 | cahoot | simon23: in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 09:47.28 | jetscreamer | !tell simon23 -about bootlog |
| 09:47.46 | cahoot | once more? |
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| 09:48.05 | simon23 | no - thanks a lot !! |
| 09:48.19 | simon23 | have searched so long for it and didnt find it.... |
| 09:48.30 | ace_me | how could I implement a firewall on my debian minimal with nat |
| 09:49.07 | sep | ace_me, if you dont know iptables i'd install shorewall and use the 2 interface howto/example/tutorial |
| 09:50.07 | simon23 | is bootlogd a standard part of the system ? i havent found a paketdescription with aptitude. |
| 09:50.21 | sep | simon23, dmesg dont help you at all ? |
| 09:50.28 | ace_me | which is better sep, I now IP security so it should be similar with ip tables if i'll se a example |
| 09:50.41 | simon23 | sep: no. |
| 09:51.12 | sep | ace_me, ALL firewalling in linux use iptables. question is if you feel comfortable with writing them yourself or if you use a tool like shorewall/fwbuilder to make the rules for you |
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| 09:51.46 | ace_me | can you send me to a html link to read a ip table example... ? |
| 09:51.50 | sep | i use shorewall since it give me the features i need without the need to have iptables man page up all the time. |
| 09:52.16 | ace_me | ok so I'll try shorewalll ! is itrunning in a console ? |
| 09:52.22 | cydork | simon23: bootlogd should be present on your system. it's part of initscripts IIRC |
| 09:52.59 | Guerin | ace_me: rtfm. |
| 09:53.03 | karmatronic | sep: learning basic iptables syntax is easy |
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| 09:53.39 | simon23 | cydork: it is present - and i already activated it. but i just wondered why there is no package description. and why there will nothing mentioned when searching aptitude for "bootlog"...!? |
| 09:54.00 | sep | ace_me, shorewall runs on boot configuring the iptables ruleset it dont run like a daemon |
| 09:54.31 | karmatronic | simon23: it s in sysvinit package |
| 09:54.35 | cydork | simon23: read what i said again. the second part :P |
| 09:54.36 | cilkay | ace_me: I think you'd be better off running a purpose-built distro like IPcop rather than try to build it yourself. Security is easy to get wrong. IPCop is pretty much install and run. |
| 09:54.38 | karmatronic | !apt-file |
| 09:54.39 | dpkg | apt-file is probably util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 09:55.54 | Guerin | and in other non-news tonight, macdobedia have released crash 9 for gnu/linux |
| 09:56.06 | simon23 | oh well - then i should have used apt-file instead. i thought aptitude would unite all these apt functions.. |
| 09:56.18 | Guerin | someone who knows my hatred for such shite emailed me specially to tell me |
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| 09:56.32 | Guerin | Seanfeld: it mostly does, but yesh, apt-* still have their uses. |
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| 09:58.21 | ace_me | cilkay can't find package IPcop |
| 09:58.33 | cydork | Guerin: it's out of beta? |
| 09:58.41 | cilkay | ace_me: it's a *distro*, not a package. |
| 09:59.26 | cilkay | ace_me: http://ipcop.org/ |
| 09:59.40 | Seanfeld | hello i know this is a simple question I should know the answer to but having problems googling it because everything I can think of to look it up is to general and related to too many other topics. What is the name of the file in debian that lists the commands previously entered on the command line? |
| 09:59.55 | cornernote | does anyone know a good tutoral for n00bs setting up ssh keys ? |
| 10:00.12 | cahoot | Seanfeld: thinking of .bash_history? |
| 10:00.30 | blondie | !ssh key |
| 10:00.41 | karmatronic | cornernote: you dont neeed a tuto |
| 10:00.55 | Seanfeld | cahoot: that sounds like it could be right thanks i'll take a look for it |
| 10:00.59 | cornernote | i'm stuck |
| 10:01.19 | cornernote | i generated a key, put the public on the server.. it doesnt work |
| 10:01.34 | cahoot | cornernote: google turns up lots ot tutorial on the matter |
| 10:01.48 | cilkay | cornernote: how did you generate the key? ssh-keygen, puttygen, something else? |
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| 10:03.02 | karmatronic | cornernote: |
| 10:03.03 | cilkay | cornernote: did you put the key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 ? Also, if the permissions aren't right on the directory or files, it will never work. |
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| 10:03.24 | karmatronic | cornernote: where are you stuck ? |
| 10:03.42 | cornernote | i put it in authorized_keys |
| 10:03.47 | blondie | that's fine |
| 10:03.49 | cornernote | i'll try authorized_keys2 |
| 10:03.56 | blondie | you don't need the 2 |
| 10:04.04 | blondie | what are teh permissions on that file, and on .ssh? |
| 10:04.20 | blondie | .ssh should be 700 |
| 10:04.34 | cornernote | hold on.. i found an easier guide.. i'll try again and see how it goes |
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| 10:04.41 | cornernote | yeah - .ssh was 700 |
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| 10:04.56 | cydork | cornernote: also check this http://pastebin.ca/320343 |
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| 10:08.14 | cornernote | got it :) |
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| 10:08.24 | cornernote | dunno what i did wrong before, but it works now |
| 10:08.38 | |Lupin| | Hello, everybody. |
| 10:09.26 | |Lupin| | I a wondering whether there is a recommended way to handle hot pluggable devices like USB sticks under Debian. I had a loo toThe eebian referencebut could not find anything. |
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| 10:10.14 | cilkay | cornernote: using a key manager will make your life easier. You'll only need to enter your passphrase (you have one of those, I hope) once to load unlock your private key and load it into the key manager and then you can open as many sessions as you like without having to enter your passphrase again. |
| 10:10.38 | cilkay | s/unlock/load unlock |
| 10:10.48 | |Lupin| | For instance: ishotplug recommended or not ? I saw it wants to remove ueev, which, I believed was a goo thing. |
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| 10:11.25 | cydork | !hotplug |
| 10:11.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 10:11.35 | |Lupin| | To sum up: I feel lost. Any pointersto any relevent documentation would be very appreciated. |
| 10:12.06 | cornernote | cilkay: i need to be able to rsync to a server without needing prompting.. the only way i can see is to use an empty passphrase |
| 10:12.10 | cydork | |Lupin|: which desktop env are you using? |
| 10:12.15 | cornernote | rsync over ssh |
| 10:12.32 | tarzeau | what's the ps command to see how long a process is running? |
| 10:12.53 | |Lupin| | cydork: pure console (I'm blind). |
| 10:13.07 | karmatronic | cornernote: you re right |
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| 10:14.26 | cydork | |Lupin|: got disconnected ! :( check out ivman |
| 10:14.30 | karmatronic | dont like gaim |
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| 10:15.20 | cilkay | cornernote: is it a non-privileged account running rsync? If so, restrict that account to only being able to run sync and set the permissions on the private key to 600. |
| 10:15.33 | cilkay | er, run rsync |
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| 10:16.34 | |Lupin| | cydork: Thanks ! Will such a configuration (hal+ivman) be enough to auto-detect other hotpluggable devices, like USB-wifi adapters, PCMCIA cards ? |
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| 10:18.26 | cydork | |Lupin|: ivman will is only for mounting your usb sticks. other things will be taken care by udev. |
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| 10:19.09 | cornernote | cilkay: its root running rsync |
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| 10:19.26 | cornernote | probably bad, but its just a little internal box |
| 10:20.15 | |Lupin| | cydork: Ok, thanks. The hal stuff seems quite heavy to me. Am I correct ? |
| 10:20.43 | cilkay | cornernote: how about setting up a special account for this and putting it in the sudoers group? |
| 10:20.58 | cilkay | That way you don't have to use root to rsync. |
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| 10:21.21 | cydork | |Lupin|: i dont think so |
| 10:21.48 | cilkay | cornernote: You could even set the default shell to be your rsync script so that account won't be able to do anything but. |
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| 10:25.02 | |Lupin| | cydork: Well... hal requires dbus and so... manyComponents ! |
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| 10:27.06 | cydork | |Lupin|: ya but it doesn't take much resources. |
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| 10:28.48 | Ebbs | Hi all! What do you think is the best partition merging tool for my debian/etch! |
| 10:29.39 | Ebbs | !dpkg help |
| 10:29.56 | blondie | what kind of partitions? |
| 10:30.06 | blondie | i wouldn't recommend merging them at all personally |
| 10:30.17 | Ebbs | ntfs |
| 10:30.56 | Ebbs | I want to miimize my windows partition for my linux! |
| 10:31.20 | Guerin | Ebbs: i recommend minimising it to 0b |
| 10:31.59 | Guerin | the only good ntfs partition is a dead ntfs partition |
| 10:32.15 | Ebbs | yes thats true |
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| 10:33.34 | |Lupin| | bye everybody |
| 10:33.37 | Ebbs | I just wanted to do this, but I decided, that I need it for some things I didnt know to use with linux yet! |
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| 10:34.25 | Ebbs | !dpkg say merging |
| 10:34.38 | blondie | Ebbs: what do you want to merge it with? |
| 10:34.41 | Guerin | Ebbs: use gparted or something |
| 10:34.47 | hark | ntfsresize |
| 10:34.54 | Ebbs | yes ntfs |
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| 10:35.02 | Ebbs | minimize windows |
| 10:35.05 | Guerin | best idea is to back the damn thing up and start from scratch |
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| 10:35.15 | blondie | Ebbs: what do you want to merge it with? |
| 10:35.25 | Ebbs | I asked for a tool! |
| 10:35.31 | Guerin | Ebbs: you ARE a tool |
| 10:35.36 | Ebbs | lol |
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| 10:35.42 | blondie | WHAT OTHER PARTITION DO YOU WANT TO MERGE IT WITH? |
| 10:35.49 | Ebbs | no one |
| 10:35.52 | blondie | ... |
| 10:35.53 | hark | Ebbs: ntfsresize |
| 10:35.57 | Ebbs | only ntfs resize |
| 10:35.58 | blondie | so you don't want to merge it? |
| 10:36.07 | blondie | merge != resize |
| 10:36.12 | Ebbs | oh |
| 10:36.17 | Ebbs | didnt know |
| 10:36.20 | blondie | merge = join two things together. |
| 10:36.21 | Guerin | maybe he measn `emerge' - #gentooo is ---> thataway |
| 10:36.23 | blondie | haha |
| 10:36.32 | Ebbs | sry |
| 10:37.11 | Ebbs | Im not a native english. I just thought it is a synonym |
| 10:37.22 | ace_me | I suppose green on IPcop is a NIc to internet ? |
| 10:37.31 | Guerin | !htfswk ace_me |
| 10:37.31 | dpkg | ace_me: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:37.46 | simon23 | hello, can someone tell me how to access ntop with my browser? |
| 10:37.58 | ace_me | I've thought everyone installed Ipcop at least once |
| 10:38.01 | Guerin | simon23: does it generate logs? |
| 10:38.20 | blondie | ace_me: no, it's the lan, and this isn't #ipcop |
| 10:38.38 | simon23 | Guerin: i dont know... |
| 10:38.44 | Guerin | simon23: i mean, does it have a web interface or what? |
| 10:38.53 | Guerin | simon23: if you don't know, read the documentation. |
| 10:39.02 | simon23 | Guerin: it sould have - but i dont know how to access it |
| 10:39.10 | Guerin | !helpfile ntop |
| 10:39.10 | dpkg | For help with ntop, look in /usr/share/doc/ntop There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 10:39.23 | Blackhold | hello |
| 10:39.44 | simon23 | Guerin: i already searched the ntop website (documentation) but there is no url mentioned. |
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| 10:39.56 | Guerin | simon23: then I would presume there's no web interface. |
| 10:40.19 | Guerin | i don't know it, personally, so I can't help much more. But if it's not documented, that ain't a good sign. |
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| 10:40.52 | Blackhold | when a user creates a file on a directory it creates the file with them permissions and the permisions on the folder at others, how can I tell that when that user creates a file, it creates it with the directory permisions? |
| 10:40.55 | GeorgeS069 | ntop is cli only |
| 10:41.08 | hark | no it isn't |
| 10:41.08 | Guerin | Blackhold: sticky? |
| 10:41.16 | Blackhold | yes |
| 10:41.21 | Blackhold | how I can define it? |
| 10:41.35 | Guerin | Blackhold: info coreutils chmod, i think has the doc |
| 10:43.13 | hark | simon23: /usr/share/doc/ntop or man ntop |
| 10:43.55 | simon23 | hark, Guerin : Thanks to you - everything is fine - but there wasnt mentioned anywhere that it is default port 3000 ! |
| 10:44.15 | Blackhold | Guerin: like chmod -R a+s directory ? |
| 10:45.04 | Guerin | simon23: from TFM: `For example, if started with -w 3000 (the default port)' |
| 10:45.25 | Guerin | Blackhold: i don't know off the top of my head, but that looks like it might work |
| 10:45.30 | utrrrongeeb | xbindkeys-config is giving me a segfault when I press a certain button on it. Can this be fixed? |
| 10:45.48 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: anything can be fixed, given enough beer and pizza. |
| 10:45.58 | Blackhold | Guerin: ok thnks ;) |
| 10:46.13 | utrrrongeeb | Guerin: And how do I go about it? |
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| 10:47.05 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: the beer and pizza method would involve bribing people with beer and pizza to fix the bug. |
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| 10:47.20 | Blackhold | Guerin: don't work |
| 10:47.48 | Guerin | Blackhold: I try to avoid it, yes. But thanks for the vote of support. |
| 10:47.51 | Blackhold | I create a user and still uses his own permisions |
| 10:47.52 | Blackhold | -rwxr--r-- 1 mgarcia rrhh2 0 ene 18 11:46 fitxer nou |
| 10:47.54 | utrrrongeeb | Guerin: I suppose the easiest fix is to get Etch, then. |
| 10:48.07 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: possibly so. Check the BTS. |
| 10:48.30 | Blackhold | it uses the group |
| 10:48.41 | Blackhold | but it should could write |
| 10:48.48 | Blackhold | 'cause the directory allows to write |
| 10:49.02 | Blackhold | drwsrws--- 2 root rrhh2 4096 ene 18 11:46 . |
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| 10:49.13 | Blackhold | this is how the directory is setted |
| 10:49.14 | Blackhold | up |
| 10:49.36 | liable | enter? |
| 10:49.45 | Blackhold | gonna try |
| 10:50.01 | liable | reportbug is really starting to shit me |
| 10:50.10 | Blackhold | z¿ |
| 10:50.15 | Blackhold | uh.. |
| 10:51.31 | liable | the debian servers seem to be slow. bugs.debian.org is the same, wonder if its the same server |
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| 10:56.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:56.06 | dpkg | <octoberdan> The story involves alcholl and a bet... but without getting into the messy details, I need to learn B |
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| 10:56.53 | niles | preview download does not work in limewire |
| 10:57.28 | liable | utrrrongeeb: sarges xbindkeys is segfaulting?? |
| 10:57.53 | utrrrongeeb | liable: Technically, xbindkeys-config is when I press the Get button. |
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| 10:57.59 | liable | !tell root_____ about root |
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| 10:58.20 | liable | utrrrongeeb: wtf is xbindkeys-config? |
| 10:58.48 | cydork | liable: thingy to configure xbindkeys? |
| 10:58.59 | utrrrongeeb | liable: xbindkeys-config is a package and a command that provides a GUI to setting up xbindkeys. |
| 10:59.05 | liable | cydork: i figure, didnt know it existed |
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| 10:59.27 | liable | utrrrongeeb: meh, just use xev and make the file by hand |
| 10:59.59 | utrrrongeeb | liable: Yes, just I wouldn't mind knowing more about segfaults... |
| 11:00.04 | liable | possibly xmodmap will be involved as well |
| 11:00.19 | liable | utrrrongeeb: unusual for a sarge app to be segfaulting |
| 11:00.31 | cydork | utrrrongeeb: did you check bts? |
| 11:00.35 | liable | !segfault |
| 11:00.35 | dpkg | methinks segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
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| 11:01.28 | cydork | !dbugs 213178 |
| 11:01.31 | dpkg | #213178:N[xbindkeys-config] xbindkeys-config segfaults on a specific entry; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:48:10 UTC |
| 11:01.42 | liable | oh dear |
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| 11:02.02 | liable | som much for stable :P |
| 11:02.07 | cydork | heh |
| 11:02.15 | utrrrongeeb | liable: Thanks, guess I'll just wait for Etch... |
| 11:02.31 | liable | utrrrongeeb: no, just make the file by hand, its piss easy |
| 11:02.49 | liable | man xbindkeys |
| 11:02.54 | liable | man xmodmap |
| 11:03.21 | liable | i think gnome and kde even have there own shits for doing it |
| 11:03.38 | utrrrongeeb | liable: I meant for xbindkeys-config to work. I'm using keylaunch at the moment, I just saw some web article on xbindkeys. |
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| 11:04.14 | liable | utrrrongeeb: oh, well, seeing as that bug is from woody era, i wouldnt hold your breath :) |
| 11:04.44 | liable | if that bug is actually the same bug.. |
| 11:04.56 | liable | i am too lazy to check |
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| 11:06.21 | utrrrongeeb | liable: Okay, thanks for clarifying it. I'll probably be going soon. I've been using Xfce, and as it doesn't support desktop icons, I set up keylaunch, and imwheel to launch apwal when I press a modifier and a certain mouse button. Possibly more useful than desktop icons. |
| 11:07.16 | liable | utrrrongeeb: eh? unless my brain is totally screwed, i am sure i had desktop icons in xfce4 |
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| 11:07.43 | utrrrongeeb | liable: This is sarge I'm using. I'll be going soon. |
| 11:08.02 | liable | utrrrongeeb: oh, yeah, that version i dunno about |
| 11:08.41 | liable | key combos are teh r0xer compared to clickies anyway :) |
| 11:08.52 | utrrrongeeb | liable: Cutting this off, as I'm leaving. |
| 11:09.29 | liable | i never had someone tell me so many times they were leaving :) |
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| 11:11.26 | marinosi | hello..one question : if i install another vanilla kernel (from kernel.org) instead of linux-source package will i have problem ?any conflicts - whatever? |
| 11:11.45 | cydork | marinosi: why do you want to? |
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| 11:12.19 | amphi | 2.6.18 is so old ;) |
| 11:12.32 | marinosi | no i am just curious |
| 11:12.38 | marinosi | there is no reason |
| 11:12.50 | cydork | i want 2.6.20-rc1 :P |
| 11:12.54 | marinosi | maybe suspend2 would be one reason but i am not sure again |
| 11:12.58 | liable | !iriitate amphi |
| 11:13.04 | liable | !irritate amphi |
| 11:13.04 | dpkg | amphi: wenas who uses kde hello? |
| 11:13.09 | liable | meh |
| 11:13.09 | emillo | hi all, any workaround for http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg286264.html ? |
| 11:13.23 | amphi | liable: hah |
| 11:13.27 | liable | why doesnt it ever give me the debina answer when want it! |
| 11:13.43 | amphi | !debina |
| 11:13.44 | dpkg | debina is probably debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 11:13.51 | liable | someone stole my I key! |
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| 11:14.07 | cydork | marinosi: there wont be any conficts. :) |
| 11:14.19 | marinosi | cydork, ah nice:D |
| 11:14.27 | liable | amphi: its goes along the lines of 'hello, why is debina so old!?! lol!!!' :) |
| 11:14.41 | amphi | liable: ah ;) |
| 11:14.54 | marinosi | IIRC ubuntu has many problems if you changge the kernel...i maybe wrong |
| 11:15.59 | liable | even if you dont, lol |
| 11:16.06 | liable | lollerskates! |
| 11:17.10 | liable | mwahaha |
| 11:17.15 | cydork | hehe |
| 11:17.27 | amphi | liable: the 'cooler', you mean, shurely ;) |
| 11:17.37 | liable | kimberly cool! |
| 11:17.54 | liable | though you guys prolly dont understand that comment |
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| 11:18.01 | liable | its an aussie thing |
| 11:18.16 | Bhaal | eldowan: Aye, funny :) Maybe sometimes you will see someone get klined shortly after I cycle the channel... |
| 11:18.41 | amphi | liable: like 'start-you-bastard'? ;) |
| 11:19.17 | liable | Bhaal: dude, that was ten hours too late! |
| 11:19.19 | Bhaal | liable: I havent been at this computer since about 16hrs ago.... |
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| 11:19.54 | liable | amphi: nah, kimberly cool refers to keeping your beer cool in a wet hessian sack in the bush. where temps get up to 40C a 28C beer is cool :) |
| 11:20.26 | Bhaal | liable: You aussie then? |
| 11:20.26 | liable | or just drinking the fucker hot.. :) |
| 11:20.32 | liable | Bhaal: ya |
| 11:20.36 | Bhaal | Good to see |
| 11:21.17 | amphi | liable: ah |
| 11:21.39 | liable | the kimberly being the hot tropical top end of western oz |
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| 11:21.50 | liable | here endeth the oz lesson for today! |
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| 11:22.53 | marinosi | how can i add some modules that i want to autoload with boot? |
| 11:23.06 | liable | add em to /etc/modules |
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| 11:24.19 | liable | amphi: though i certainly can recall saying that phrase you mentioned. :) |
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| 11:24.56 | liable | i hate it when i am in a cheery mood and have no one to talk to.. |
| 11:25.01 | amphi | liable: I believe it's a product in .au, a spray to help start cold/wet engines or some such |
| 11:25.23 | cydork | s/cheery/drunk!/ |
| 11:25.29 | liable | amphi: oh, never heard of it, but wouldnt be surprised |
| 11:25.39 | yang | how could I enable network printing from "mozilla" ? There are only setting like: xp ps ; xp pdf ; postcritp default |
| 11:26.19 | liable | cydork: merry, not actually drunk. have been having dinner with my parents, so am actually quite sober compared to what i might be :P |
| 11:26.43 | cydork | liable: hahah |
| 11:26.46 | liable | yang: if you have a network printer set up in cups, then its an option in any mozilla app to print from |
| 11:27.11 | yang | liable: right i have cups set up, i was able to print locally |
| 11:27.32 | liable | yang: from the machine that hosts the printer? |
| 11:27.38 | yang | liable: buit on distant mozilla i cannot set the IP of the destination |
| 11:28.02 | liable | yang: you need to set the network printer in cups on the client machine |
| 11:28.03 | yang | liable: yes only from the machine that hosts cups i was able to print |
| 11:28.13 | yang | ok |
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| 11:28.28 | g_o_o_d_day | Due to running fsck on the active debian i got errors in the grub and after running the fsck for ext3 on different machine.. the whole filesystem got corrupted and it comes under lost+found directory. any suggestions please |
| 11:29.15 | liable | yang: sometimes its easy, sometimes its a little hard. open the cups web thing on the client, and try to find the network printer. its usually ipp://hostname/printer (or something like that) |
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| 11:30.09 | liable | yang: ethereal (wireshark/tcpdump) can help, cause a properly configged network printer announces itself every so often |
| 11:30.34 | liable | make typing the correct address easy if you arent sure |
| 11:31.09 | yang | liable: ok, it only required a network sharing option, thanks |
| 11:31.30 | liable | sweet |
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| 11:33.02 | sphenxes | I connect my two PCs using ssh protocol. It was working fine till i have reinstalled my PC1. When I try to connect from PC1 to PC2 I get the message: connection closed, you asked for strict permission. How do I reset the permission on PC2 once more. |
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| 11:34.40 | cornernote | if anyone has experience with lvm can you join #lvm ? i'm really stuck |
| 11:34.43 | liable | cant recall seeing that error from a default sshd config |
| 11:34.48 | yunhual | hi, i want to execute dir =`find $1 -type d` in a shell script, but it seem that "$1" parament close by `` are not recognized correctly. |
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| 11:34.57 | liable | wheres peterS |
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| 11:35.12 | yunhual | how can i get correctly ? |
| 11:35.17 | peterS | dunno, I saw him earlier |
| 11:35.32 | rdz | hello everyone. how can i find out the filesystem of an attached usb-harddrive? |
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| 11:35.37 | liable | peterS: dude, you need to sleep more often! :P |
| 11:35.41 | peterS | true |
| 11:35.51 | peterS | well, not more often, perhaps just for more duration |
| 11:36.02 | liable | peterS: you have an uncanny knack of doing that.. |
| 11:36.41 | peterS | in all seriousness, I probably sleep more than I should - to the detriment of getting stuff done in late night sessions where I assume beforehand that I'll get more stuff done before going to bed |
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| 11:37.29 | liable | i know the feeling. i call it procrastination |
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| 11:38.14 | liable | peterS: you seem to be awake more than the rest of america though :) |
| 11:38.44 | peterS | nah, just offset a few hours from the rest of america |
| 11:39.05 | liable | arent you in .us? |
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| 11:40.03 | peterS | yes, UTC-0600, so it is 5:40 local |
| 11:40.14 | Alma | you guys rock thanks and cheers |
| 11:41.24 | rdz | i found it myself: 'mount' shows evrything i need |
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| 11:41.59 | liable | missed that question.. |
| 11:42.25 | liable | !boring |
| 11:42.25 | dpkg | yes, you are liable |
| 11:42.31 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 11:42.31 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 11:42.58 | liable | must be time for bed when you start playing with the bot |
| 11:44.30 | karmatronic | !tired |
| 11:44.30 | dpkg | methinks tired is a state of conciesness between soda and coffee |
| 11:44.57 | liable | no, beer and work |
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| 11:52.36 | sam_uk | is this broken beyond repair? http://www.pastebin.ca/320385 it seems it is impossible for me to upgrade X-11-common.. |
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| 11:54.57 | liable | sam_uk: eek. dont say yes when it wants to remove half your system |
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| 11:55.31 | liable | sam_uk: does reinstalling debconf help? check the bts for debconf? |
| 11:55.42 | sam_uk | i know, i copied a package list to re-install them all later.. i dont know what else to try.. |
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| 11:56.40 | liable | sam_uk: theres #debian-64 too (as it will have different problems than the 32 bit version) |
| 11:56.51 | liable | err #debian-amd64 |
| 11:57.09 | sam_uk | ok will try there.. |
| 11:57.26 | liable | sam_uk: what started this though? |
| 11:57.30 | jelly-home | sam_uk: why would you want to explicitely upgrade x11-common anyway? |
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| 11:57.57 | liable | read the paste |
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| 11:58.34 | jelly-home | ah. But what happened before apt-get -f install might be interesting too. |
| 11:58.42 | liable | exactly |
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| 12:00.13 | liable | i would think its been buggerfied though |
| 12:01.11 | sam_uk | it's true i have done a very silly thing ... I installed a package from ubuntu repos... I wont be doing that again in a hurry... |
| 12:01.28 | amphi | sam_uk: heh |
| 12:01.29 | jelly-home | I usually keep adding important packages to apt-get install line until most don't get uninstalled any more |
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| 12:01.42 | liable | which package? |
| 12:01.53 | jelly-home | sam_uk: have you at least removed that repository now? |
| 12:02.11 | liable | and which depends did it have |
| 12:02.21 | sam_uk | i just downloaded it in firefox + installed it manually |
| 12:02.40 | sam_uk | no depends.. |
| 12:02.52 | liable | that shouldnt be so bad. which package? |
| 12:02.59 | sam_uk | ubuntustudiolauncher |
| 12:03.10 | amphi | sam_uk: what on earth is that? |
| 12:03.15 | liable | ubuntuwhatthefuck? |
| 12:03.17 | cydork | sam_uk: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 12:03.29 | tarzeau | ubuntuubuntugoaway |
| 12:03.30 | sam_uk | it is a script for launching audio applications |
| 12:04.00 | liable | sam_uk: and you only manually installed that one package with dpkg? |
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| 12:05.19 | sam_uk | yep package; http://www.gnusolaris.org/archive/elatte-testing/sound/ubuntustudiolauncher |
| 12:05.41 | liable | sam_uk: and you have purged this package? |
| 12:05.53 | sam_uk | how? |
| 12:05.57 | cydork | sam_uk: are you using 64studio? |
| 12:06.09 | sam_uk | yep |
| 12:06.12 | liable | dpkg -P ubuntustudiothingo |
| 12:06.22 | sam_uk | thanks |
| 12:06.49 | liable | its not fixed yet.. |
| 12:07.10 | cydork | liable: he is not using debian! |
| 12:07.21 | liable | cydork: who says? |
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| 12:07.38 | cydork | 64studio is debian? |
| 12:07.45 | sam_uk | it's true, its about 90% debian |
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| 12:09.18 | sam_uk | i guess i should have said that at the start sorry.. |
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| 12:10.06 | liable | i dont really care atm, but is it actually debian with basterdised sources, or is it ubuntu? |
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| 12:10.39 | cydork | liable: the first afaik.. |
| 12:10.42 | sam_uk | debian with 1 extra source |
| 12:11.51 | liable | did you purge the packge yet? |
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| 12:12.38 | sam_uk | If i was to start off with a 'pure' amd64 debian, recompile a low latency kernel myself and then add the studio64 source I would end up with effecively the same system as I have now? |
| 12:12.43 | sam_uk | yes |
| 12:13.48 | marinosi | for em64t (c2d ) processors is better debian i386 or amd64/? |
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| 12:14.51 | Hotwire | marinosi: that depends largly on what you do with it |
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| 12:15.34 | Hotwire | the em64t chips have some features that only work in 32bit mode |
| 12:16.06 | marinosi | Hotwire, more specific?what do you mean ? |
| 12:16.49 | Hotwire | i'll try and dig out the article, but was based in windows though, so the same may not hold true |
| 12:17.52 | marinosi | is the only purpose for installnig deb amd64 only more virtual mem? |
| 12:18.00 | Ono | hi. I have nvidia geforce 5200. I am configured tv out with MetaModes on xorg.conf. But now i dont see any video. I see a blue screen on video screen like this => http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/2582/untitledpf9.gif. If i didn't use tv-out, i see videos. But i need to use tv-out. Do you have any idea? |
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| 12:19.14 | Hotwire | http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-64bit.html |
| 12:19.43 | Hotwire | marinosi: no, all your programs will be 64bit |
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| 12:20.59 | incorrect | what group does a user have to be a member of to mount /dev/sda1 ? |
| 12:21.07 | karmatronic | Ono: i could pastebin you mys xorg.conf |
| 12:21.37 | Ono | ok |
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| 12:22.41 | Ono | msg dpkg paster |
| 12:23.05 | anapivirtua | Hi all ! |
| 12:23.18 | Ono | karmatronic: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5127 |
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| 12:23.52 | liable | incorrect: an ordinary user should be able to mount it if its a usb thingo |
| 12:24.08 | incorrect | its says only root can do that |
| 12:24.22 | incorrect | i've added the user to the disk group |
| 12:24.34 | liable | dont add users to disk group |
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| 12:24.45 | karmatronic | Ono: mine is http://pastebin.com/861953 |
| 12:25.08 | Ono | is it work? |
| 12:25.18 | karmatronic | Ono yes |
| 12:26.41 | liable | incorrect: hrm, i havent ever had a problem with usb things. the only thing in my groups is usbfs, which i dont even know wtf that one is for |
| 12:26.45 | cydork | incorrect: use pmount? |
| 12:26.57 | Ono | ok i'll try karmatronic. Thank you. |
| 12:27.24 | liable | or plugdev maybe |
| 12:27.37 | incorrect | this is weird i've even added the user to the root group |
| 12:27.38 | karmatronic | Ono you may need to make some changes |
| 12:27.41 | liable | there was a changelog for something recently that mentioned plugdev |
| 12:27.49 | karmatronic | Ono: anyway , seeing your xorg.conf |
| 12:27.51 | liable | but i fail to remember what it was |
| 12:28.08 | liable | i think it was for video/cameras though |
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| 12:28.18 | Netsnipe | hey everyone |
| 12:28.27 | liable | but even still, i never had to add myself to that group |
| 12:28.56 | karmatronic | juse quit the lines with twinview , metamodes and twinview orientation |
| 12:29.10 | karmatronic | Ono: and it should work |
| 12:29.35 | Netsnipe | has anyone ever encountered broken font kerning in a 32-bit chrooted firefox/iceweasel on amd64 before? |
| 12:29.48 | Ono | ok. i restart x now |
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| 12:36.51 | cydork | Netsnipe: you also might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 12:37.06 | karmatronic | hi x_link |
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| 12:39.13 | Ono | karmatronic: |
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| 12:39.38 | Ono | i see screen only in tv. My monitor isn't working now |
| 12:39.50 | Ono | but i want to use both |
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| 12:43.51 | karmatronic | Ono sorry i thought that was what you wanted |
| 12:44.12 | karmatronic | Ono do you want 2 Xservers |
| 12:44.22 | karmatronic | Ono one on each |
| 12:44.35 | karmatronic | Ono or one "big" X server ? |
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| 12:58.26 | aidehua | Can I mount an ext3 filesystem such that users can own files but not write to them (like "ro") but root *can* write to the files? |
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| 12:58.46 | aidehua | Why don't I just read the mount man page? :) |
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| 12:59.20 | blondie | there's no point in owning something if you can't write to it |
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| 13:00.00 | aidehua | I'd like to create snapshots of my /home filesystem in another filesystem moutned at /backup... |
| 13:00.21 | aidehua | ...and it'd be nice if users could have read access to their files (they are backups, after all) while not being allowed to change snapshotted files. |
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| 13:02.44 | liable | root can still write to files read only |
| 13:03.25 | vlt | Hello. Is there a (cmd line) tool to convert MS Word files (.doc) to PDF? I tried wv but got a very poor result. Can I run OOo from cmd line and tell it to run its export-to-pdf function? |
| 13:03.55 | capiira | hmmmm hi will iceweasel join stable ? |
| 13:04.08 | liable | yes, when etch is stable |
| 13:04.09 | Ronin | in lenny perhaps |
| 13:04.19 | liable | sarge will never have it |
| 13:04.22 | Ronin | liable: is it in ethc? i thought it was still firefox and thunderbirh |
| 13:04.24 | Ronin | bird |
| 13:04.28 | Ronin | damn it |
| 13:04.40 | liable | Ronin: its in there now i believe |
| 13:04.50 | liable | !info iceweasel etch |
| 13:05.07 | liable | it was part of the threat that it had to be |
| 13:05.27 | capiira | yeah i mean etch |
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| 13:05.51 | liable | hrm, dpkg says it doesnt exist. |
| 13:05.58 | capiira | yep |
| 13:06.07 | capiira | nothing in testing etch |
| 13:06.18 | liable | icedove is there though |
| 13:06.23 | capiira | thunderbird is already icedove |
| 13:06.27 | capiira | yep |
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| 13:06.57 | Ono | karmatronic: your config is worked |
| 13:07.04 | Ono | thanks you very much |
| 13:07.45 | liable | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 13:07.46 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 13:07.51 | liable | capiira: ^^ |
| 13:08.10 | karmatronic | Ono: cool |
| 13:08.35 | karmatronic | Ono, personnally , i use on X server on both monitors |
| 13:08.55 | capiira | thx :) |
| 13:09.01 | karmatronic | Ono: my wife can watch a movie while i m2 working" :) |
| 13:09.31 | Ono | yes it is more good from clone |
| 13:10.26 | capiira | whats that about iceweasel is going today!?!?! |
| 13:10.42 | capiira | iceweasel is going in today (thanks to manual hinting by aba) |
| 13:10.45 | Ronin | ya i saw that as well |
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| 13:11.28 | capiira | would be very cool |
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| 13:11.46 | capiira | im sick of that blue globe :) |
| 13:12.09 | liable | meh, the green one sucks more |
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| 13:13.22 | capiira | i like the green one with the weasel more than the monotone blue one |
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| 13:14.41 | liable | its ok on a dark desktop, but its teribble on a light toolbar |
| 13:15.14 | capiira | maybe true |
| 13:15.14 | capiira | im using the original gnome 2.16 theme |
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| 13:17.50 | nachos | hey |
| 13:17.55 | capiira | hou |
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| 13:19.36 | jouke | I removed the database mysql from my mysql server, how can I reiinstall mysql so it works again? |
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| 13:27.48 | janttsu | is there some list of packages that are installed if i choose "desktop" packages at the etch installation? |
| 13:28.03 | janttsu | os "laptop" |
| 13:28.07 | janttsu | *or "laptop" |
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| 13:29.59 | cahoot | liable: don't dare modify it? |
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| 13:34.43 | DaveyB | What is Iceweasel? |
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| 13:36.56 | dimir | Firefox for Debian. |
| 13:37.47 | cahoot | DaveyB: don't know if there's any difference beside the icon |
| 13:37.57 | DaveyB | Owww yer, I am using that |
| 13:38.10 | DaveyB | Must of been added in a package update. lol |
| 13:38.26 | jouke | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 13:38.26 | jouke | Checking for crashed MySQL tables in the background. |
| 13:38.26 | jouke | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 13:38.28 | jouke | hax |
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| 13:38.31 | DaveyB | I still prefer the older firefox version. |
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| 13:38.39 | jouke | what to do? |
| 13:38.49 | jouke | sorry for the 3lines of flood |
| 13:39.10 | DaveyB | cahoot, looks more like mozilla than firefox IMO |
| 13:39.45 | DaveyB | Wait it is an upgrade for mozilla not firefox, either that or someones stolen my mozilla browser :) |
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| 13:40.52 | humbolto | what is the real reason for the debian firefox fork? |
| 13:40.54 | humbolto | money? |
| 13:41.05 | amphi | humbolto: trademark issues |
| 13:41.11 | humbolto | as far as I know firefox is getting money for each google search request. |
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| 13:41.30 | humbolto | guess debian tried to steal that money, right |
| 13:41.36 | abraxxa | geo-rge: you're here? |
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| 13:41.48 | humbolto | by modifying firefox |
| 13:42.17 | hark | !why iceweasel |
| 13:42.18 | dpkg | i heard why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 13:42.25 | abraxxa | seen geo-rge |
| 13:42.43 | hark | abraxxa: ! |
| 13:42.50 | humbolto | this is the most stupid idea ever! |
| 13:42.52 | ice63 | firefox is good but i use galeon :) |
| 13:42.53 | abraxxa | !seen geo-rge |
| 13:42.54 | dpkg | geo-rge is currently on #debian, last said: ' /0?2-Feb/?'. |
| 13:43.00 | abraxxa | hark: thanks ;-) |
| 13:43.11 | humbolto | how should I explain this bullshit to my users now? |
| 13:43.11 | raz0 | humbolto, It was necessary. |
| 13:43.26 | humbolto | bogus |
| 13:43.33 | quitte | humbolto: stop trolling. read that bugreport. dont let your users usesd. goodbye. |
| 13:43.35 | raz0 | It's not like Debian had a choice. |
| 13:43.35 | amphi | humbolto: why is it stupid? and what difference does it make to your 'users'? |
| 13:43.43 | quitte | err use sid |
| 13:44.05 | abraxxa | my problem that apache ignores some connection was because apache defaults to binding to tcp6, but is still accessible with ipv4 |
| 13:44.21 | abraxxa | if you configure it to bind to a ipv4 address everything is ok again |
| 13:44.23 | humbolto | amphi: it does make the difference, that I have to spend hours to explain to them where the hack they find their web browser! |
| 13:44.32 | abraxxa | i will disable ipv6 completely on my boxes now |
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| 13:44.40 | amphi | humbolto: why? just make a symlink for them or some such |
| 13:44.43 | humbolto | I don't want to waste my time for bogus like that! |
| 13:44.48 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i search all my files for the word hellfire |
| 13:44.53 | abraxxa | does the kernel translate the ipv4 packets to a ipv6 listening application? |
| 13:45.08 | amphi | humbolto: *shrug* |
| 13:45.18 | humbolto | make a symlink, download the icon, modify the theme, ... |
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| 13:45.32 | quitte | humbolto: iceweasel is not even in ech |
| 13:45.34 | humbolto | totally unnecessary! |
| 13:45.37 | hark | Danielss89: grep |
| 13:45.55 | humbolto | quitte: yes, great! |
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| 13:46.17 | abraxxa | what is the correct way to disable ipv6 for etch? |
| 13:46.38 | amphi | humbolto: if it's unnecessary, don't do it |
| 13:46.54 | humbolto | I did a dist-upgrade and will revert back to sarge or move on to ubuntu because etch is the most disappointing desktop experience I have ever had! |
| 13:46.54 | amphi | humbolto: you seem to be making a remarkable fuss about very little |
| 13:47.20 | quitte | face it: he's a troll |
| 13:47.31 | amphi | 'desktop experience', *snort* |
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| 13:49.09 | fooz | etch disappointed me too! I will make the switch to Windows Vista |
| 13:49.15 | DaveyB | I thought mozilla and firefox were to seperate browsers? |
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| 13:49.58 | Trewas | DaveyB: they are, the old mozilla suite is called seamonkey nowadays (iceape in debian) |
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| 13:50.27 | Ronin | have fun fooz |
| 13:50.46 | fooz | Microsoft was kind enough to send me a barrel and a jar of lube in the presell kit! |
| 13:50.50 | quitte | has someone here used pxegrub or knows where to find documentation about it? |
| 13:51.01 | DaveyB | Why ony my system has mozilla been upgraded with IceApe? |
| 13:51.20 | DaveyB | What ever happened to netscape communicator? |
| 13:51.26 | humbolto | amphi: some people actually have to care for the needs of their users - us, the admins. and our bosses don't pay us to tell them, who the heck cares about a desktop experience. It is only the debian people who can afford to be that arrogant. |
| 13:51.50 | quitte | i miss mosaic |
| 13:51.58 | DerJamster | And that's why some people like Debian in the first place. |
| 13:52.02 | amphi | humbolto: it was the term I objected to, it reeks of 'droidery |
| 13:52.17 | DaveyB | The reason being that mozilla and icescape have exactly the same stop buttons which was different in firefox |
| 13:52.20 | hark | humbolto: etch does not have iceweasel. you need not worry about that. |
| 13:52.22 | amphi | humbolto: so do what you're paid to do |
| 13:52.37 | quitte | humbolto: afaik firefox provides binaries for several oses themselve. |
| 13:52.37 | DaveyB | humbolto, etch does have IceApe though ;) |
| 13:52.48 | Ronin | and apparenlty gets iceweasel today |
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| 13:53.02 | cahoot | the bonobo conspiracy |
| 13:53.15 | hark | Ronin: shhhhh... |
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| 13:53.44 | DerJamster | What I find disappointing is, that according to a recent test done by a Linux magazine, IE7 beats every Linux browser in the terms of speed, including firefox..but firefox on windows is faster than IE7. I smell optimization there. |
| 13:54.06 | DaveyB | So IceApe is definately the Debian release and upgrade of firefox even though it's interface looks more like mozilla |
| 13:54.11 | cydork | Ronin: HUh? |
| 13:54.21 | DerJamster | DaveyB: no, iceApe is Mozilla |
| 13:54.26 | DerJamster | IceWeasel is Firefox |
| 13:54.30 | DerJamster | IceDove is Thunderbird |
| 13:54.31 | Ronin | cydork: check out the why iceweasel isn't in firefox url |
| 13:54.35 | DaveyB | DerJamster, ool |
| 13:54.42 | DaveyB | cool* I am a fucking retard some day |
| 13:54.46 | cydork | Ronin: cheking.. |
| 13:54.49 | DaveyB | s/day/days |
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| 13:55.29 | cydork | Ronin: hmm nice :) |
| 13:55.32 | dezent_ | hello, trying to compile zaptel-1.4.0 on debian etch.. got this error " WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/Module.symvers \is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions." found this bugreport http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=8732 ... does anyone have a solution ? |
| 13:55.41 | dezent_ | says its a debian-kernel bug... |
| 13:55.50 | humbolto | amphi: but of course I have to respect that. And I will do what I am paid to do. Make sure I achieve the most for my users with doing the least. I'll switch to the debian desktop release, which is called Ubuntu Edgy. |
| 13:56.04 | DerJamster | dezent_: first thing I can think of..compile your own kernel ;P |
| 13:56.11 | amphi | humbolto: good |
| 13:56.20 | dezent_ | DerJamster: yes.. that works fine |
| 13:56.32 | DerJamster | humbolto: That's okay. It's all about choice. |
| 13:56.38 | dezent_ | DerJamster: but this is for a client. must use a debian-kernel |
| 13:56.42 | fooz | ubuntu isn't a debian release |
| 13:56.44 | dorel__ | there's no fun like working and hearing vai in the background :) |
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| 13:57.05 | fooz | it's definitely thursday in #debian once again |
| 13:57.20 | DerJamster | Thank god its not friday ;P |
| 13:57.25 | dorel__ | heh |
| 13:57.36 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite humbolto |
| 13:57.38 | humbolto | Probably this might be a reasonable way of splitting the workload anyway. Debian concentrates on the framework, the base, and otheres, concentrate on the "desktop experience" |
| 13:58.13 | dorel__ | I haven't bithced today on how there's an rh certification and no debian one so I guess that's the time... |
| 13:58.40 | streuner_ | humbolto: How about to 'discuss' such things in #debian-offtopic or any other channel? |
| 13:58.48 | hark | humbolto: you still haven't given any reasons for the lack of 'desktop experience' other than the iceweasel issue |
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| 14:02.37 | humbolto | hark: it is a mess all over. I cannot even use the gdmsetup gui. Won't come up. Seems it does not find the gdm.conf. I can not login through gdm via XDMCP after enabling the same in gdm.conf, ... There is "you have to get your hands on it to make it work" written all over this etch release! |
| 14:03.17 | DerJamster | And you have of course submitted bug reports? |
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| 14:03.27 | DerJamster | So those issues get fixed? |
| 14:03.50 | humbolto | If you debian seriously considers publishing this release, they will drive lots of people over to Ubuntu I am afraid. |
| 14:04.02 | Ronin | id say no as well DerJamster, some folks just like to bitch |
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| 14:04.50 | humbolto | But as I said, maybe that's the way it has to go anyway. Debian did never want these retarded GUI users anyway. |
| 14:04.56 | Ronin | humbolto: so you have of course submittied these bugs? |
| 14:06.33 | streuner_ | Is gparted part of d-i, if so its possible to use it within in d-i then? |
| 14:07.12 | streuner_ | Ronin: yeah :-) |
| 14:08.44 | humbolto | Ronin: I will certainly do, if I decide to go any further with etch. But as some might already suspect I am seriously considering making my life more easy by switching the distro. |
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| 14:09.59 | humbolto | Ronin: In that case, I could as well forget in the heat of the battle. |
| 14:10.18 | hark | humbolto: well if you think so, though the gdm problems are probably related. |
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| 14:10.29 | humbolto | Ronin: since the bug is gone then. |
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| 14:10.47 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 14:11.00 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which IDENTd is installed? |
| 14:11.04 | HardDisk_WP | i want to remove it |
| 14:11.10 | karmatronic | HardDisk_WP: probably pidentd |
| 14:11.20 | hark | if the config file is missing, use confmiss or confnew or iirc we can specify the path to the conf file in gdmsetup |
| 14:11.35 | HardDisk_WP | thx karmatronic |
| 14:11.44 | karmatronic | HardDisk_WP: and to be sure dpkg -L | grep ident |
| 14:11.56 | eljo_ | anyone know how i can disable terminal blanking on /dev/tty* when i'm not sitting in front of it - setterm -powersave off seems to only work that way? |
| 14:12.01 | humbolto | hark: This is a default config issue. There is practically no default config in debians gdm.conf, while there is lots in ubuntu. |
| 14:12.02 | HardDisk_WP | karmatronic, it was pidentd |
| 14:13.25 | hark | humbolto: hmm, it's a bug then. there should be a default conf file. |
| 14:13.39 | humbolto | hark: So debian most likely would not even call this a bug, since of course, if I would have the time, I could configure everything myself from scratch and it would work perfectly. Which is of course true, but totally unpractical. |
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| 14:13.59 | humbolto | hark: there is one, with no config options in it at all! |
| 14:14.09 | hark | unless /usr/share/doc/gdm/ says otherwise |
| 14:14.17 | humbolto | hark: just the sections are marked |
| 14:14.22 | karmatronic | humbolto: run dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 14:14.32 | humbolto | I clean installed the thing several times |
| 14:14.36 | HardDisk_WP | hmmm...why can't a Windows app run under WINE create TCPIP sockets?! |
| 14:14.41 | humbolto | --purge |
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| 14:17.07 | humbolto | Debian is has lost it's contact to it's user base. Probably by sending everybody who would give valuable feedback off to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 14:17.27 | stranger_stone | hello |
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| 14:18.30 | hark | humbolto: i don't see the problem. the file is meant to be empty |
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| 14:18.52 | Thug-N-Me | wtf is iceape ? |
| 14:19.02 | hark | humbolto: /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 14:19.09 | Thug-N-Me | where is the old mozilla ? |
| 14:19.13 | Thug-N-Me | !iceape |
| 14:19.24 | humbolto | Thug-N-Me: iceape is a bad joke! |
| 14:19.27 | hark | Thug-N-Me: relax ;) |
| 14:19.36 | Thug-N-Me | what do you mean ? |
| 14:19.43 | Thug-N-Me | it aint not joke |
| 14:20.04 | Thug-N-Me | apt-get install mozilla give`s me iceape navigator |
| 14:20.09 | humbolto | Thug-N-Me: And a statement which every user intuitively understands. |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | apt-cache show iceape |
| 14:20.25 | abrotman | !info iceape sid |
| 14:20.29 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 14:20.47 | cydork | !iceape |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 14:21.00 | Thug-N-Me | so its something like firefox then |
| 14:21.07 | abrotman | no .. it's something like mozilla |
| 14:21.18 | humbolto | Thug-N-Me: Means WTF who cares about the users experience. |
| 14:21.36 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 14:21.37 | hark | humbolto: stop trolling |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | humbolto: are you broken ? |
| 14:21.48 | Thug-N-Me | anyway to me mozilla was a bit faster |
| 14:22.17 | Thug-N-Me | and didnt crash like iceape does |
| 14:22.41 | humbolto | Anyhow, enough trolling. I'll go to #debian-offtopic, where valuable feedback belongs ... down the sink. Have a nice day. |
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| 14:23.13 | hark | yeah, debian-ot wil be fun |
| 14:23.17 | abrotman | you've never even been there ... |
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| 14:25.02 | Thug-N-Me | azureus did not shutdown tidly same as iceape :) |
| 14:25.19 | fooz | dang. i better not use debian because it lost its contact with me |
| 14:25.21 | Thug-N-Me | if i open 3 tab in iceape then thats the end of it |
| 14:25.22 | fooz | :( |
| 14:25.22 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | then file a damn bug |
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| 14:28.09 | Shiu | Hi, trying to use tpcump, I see this error, any idea how to fix? |
| 14:28.10 | Shiu | tcpdump: socket: Address family not supported by protocol |
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| 14:30.35 | steven_ | Is there software available that logs on to a server and generates a report containing data about installed software, hardware and so on? |
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| 14:32.46 | karmatronic | steven , you could pipe dpkg -L output to a remote syslog |
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| 14:34.26 | [abhishek] | hi all |
| 14:34.41 | [abhishek] | i am unable to start netwoking in gnome |
| 14:34.56 | [abhishek] | the error is |
| 14:35.09 | [abhishek] | the configuration couldnt be loaded |
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| 14:35.31 | [abhishek] | there was an error running the back end script |
| 14:35.38 | [abhishek] | help me please |
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| 14:36.15 | azeem | [abhishek]: paste the content of /etc/networking/interfaces to a pastebin |
| 14:36.17 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:36.17 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 14:37.14 | [abhishek] | azeem right now i cant i am in windows now |
| 14:37.46 | azeem | [abhishek]: then we won't be able to help you |
| 14:37.59 | [abhishek] | azeem: ok |
| 14:38.02 | Thug-N-Me | is there no way of having mplayer firefox plugin without iceape ? |
| 14:38.22 | [abhishek] | azeem : btw thanks |
| 14:38.36 | caracremada | Thug, I have it and don't have icecape |
| 14:38.47 | caracremada | afaik |
| 14:38.54 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada how did you install it ? |
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| 14:39.16 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada mplayerplug-in depends on mozilla isnt it ? |
| 14:39.17 | caracremada | it's a package mozilla-mplayer |
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| 14:39.32 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada yeah that will install me iceape browser :) |
| 14:39.48 | caracremada | what version of debian are u using? |
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| 14:40.00 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada etch rc1 |
| 14:40.15 | caracremada | me too, hang on I'll check... |
| 14:40.25 | Thug-N-Me | look for iceape-browser |
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| 14:40.51 | caracremada | nope I don't have iceape installed |
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| 14:41.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:41.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:42.07 | nethenson | hello |
| 14:42.46 | biz | hi, i've got a dir loaded with hundreds of files that have special chars in the filename, from different languages.. is there a tool to rename all these files to just have 0-9, a-z, _ and -? i know of rename, but i'd have to search for all the special chars first and substitute each one.. is there anything exactly for this kind of job? |
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| 14:43.32 | justin | biz: you don't have to "search for all the special chars first" |
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| 14:43.33 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada did you installed firefox with apt ? |
| 14:43.52 | nethenson | I need to recompile my current kernel to change an option. How do I that? (I know how to compile a vanilla kernel, but I want to keep my current debian patches and my current configuration) |
| 14:44.02 | caracremada | thug, no I didn't I dl-ed it from firefox site |
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| 14:44.50 | caracremada | thug you can compile it from source at the mplayer-plugin site |
| 14:44.52 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada and installed from there ? |
| 14:45.06 | Paula^ | Hi, what is the command to install packages from a cd? i couldn't find anything on google (I think I don't know what to search for) |
| 14:45.18 | caracremada | yes I installed from the firefox tarball |
| 14:45.19 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | or use apt-cdrom .. scan the CD and add it to your sources |
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| 14:46.00 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada thats source install tar.gz |
| 14:46.13 | caracremada | no, binaries |
| 14:46.20 | Thug-N-Me | damm |
| 14:46.22 | Thug-N-Me | yeah |
| 14:46.40 | Thug-N-Me | and what about the plugin ? binaries too ? |
| 14:47.24 | caracremada | yes, the plugins are normal debian packages. I don't know where the iceape dependency comes from |
| 14:47.30 | hark | Thug-N-Me: what browser do you use? |
| 14:47.42 | Thug-N-Me | hark firefox |
| 14:47.47 | pingouin | why apt- would answer «Segmentation faultsts... 0%» when i apt-get update/upgrade ? |
| 14:47.50 | caracremada | firefox2.0.0.1 |
| 14:48.02 | Thug-N-Me | hark trying to install mplayerplug-in will install me iceape browser |
| 14:48.13 | h3sp4wn | nethenson: linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 or whatver is the patch (kernel-patch in sarge) - or use linux-source-2.6 |
| 14:48.27 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada and how did you installed the mplayerplug-in ? whit apt ? |
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| 14:48.58 | Paula^ | abrotman - and what to do after that? |
| 14:49.02 | caracremada | ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:49.04 | biz | justin: oh, you mean i coudl just substitute all chars not [a-z] or [0-9] ? how is the substitute expression for this? eg. substituting each of these non a-z, non 0-9 chars with a 'x' |
| 14:49.05 | abrotman | install it |
| 14:49.17 | caracremada | I just looked at the dependencies for mozilla-mplayer .... |
| 14:49.20 | hark | Thug-N-Me: you mean mozilla-mplayer |
| 14:49.23 | justin | biz: ^ |
| 14:49.28 | caracremada | I'm using kde so I have konqueror |
| 14:49.39 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada installing mplayerplug-in with apt you have to install iceape, mozilla browser too other ways you cannot get mozilla-mplayer |
| 14:49.47 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada ohh i use gnome :) |
| 14:49.52 | Thug-N-Me | hark yes |
| 14:49.56 | biz | justin: what? |
| 14:49.56 | Paula^ | abrotman - I got and 13 access error |
| 14:50.00 | caracremada | there is a list of alternatives and konqueror is one so I don't need iceape |
| 14:50.07 | ice63 | Thug-N-Me: jest install galeon and mplayer work's |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | Paula^: paste the error |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:50.14 | hark | !depends mozilla-mplayer etch |
| 14:50.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:50.19 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxext6, iceweasel | iceape-browser | galeon | epiphany-browser | konqueror, mplayer (>= 1.0~pre5) |
| 14:50.30 | abrotman | so install one of those browsers |
| 14:50.33 | justin | biz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regex |
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| 14:50.37 | wireddd | what is the best financial software for linux (keeping track of a very small buisness) |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | !info iceweasel etch |
| 14:50.41 | justin | biz: Traditional Unix regular expressions |
| 14:50.48 | abrotman | didn't think it was there yet |
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| 14:51.11 | Thug-N-Me | ice63 galeon ? |
| 14:51.12 | vlt | biz: You could try 's/[^A-Z]/x/g' |
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| 14:51.43 | vlt | biz: ... and add the other allowed chars ... |
| 14:51.47 | Thug-N-Me | ice63 i only want to install mplayer firefox browser plugins without mozilla or iceape which are depends. |
| 14:51.48 | caracremada | Thug, I know galeon is another browser |
| 14:52.09 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada yeah but i dont want it ;) |
| 14:52.24 | caracremada | why not compile it from source? |
| 14:52.24 | hark | Thug-N-Me: either install one of those browsers or maybe try creating a dummy package |
| 14:52.33 | abrotman | wireddd: gnucash or sql-legder .. or pay thekompnay for their application |
| 14:52.44 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: which browser do you use ? |
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| 14:53.03 | Thug-N-Me | hark so there is no way having mplayerplug-in without mozilla or iceape installed ? |
| 14:53.08 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman firefox |
| 14:53.16 | McQueen | a domain that increasing in value day by day. http://www.visitallday.com very interesting |
| 14:53.24 | nethenson | h3sp4wn: i am apt-geting linux-source-2.6.18, then i will uncompress it , and then i will have to use make-kpkg --append-extra-version "-nethen1" --config menuconfig configure kernel_image , and finally I will dpkg -i the created .deb |
| 14:53.27 | Paula^ | abrotman - Okay, fixed it. I have just installed debian base system with the enviroment package (x system), but when i use startx I'm getting and "No such file or directory error" |
| 14:53.39 | nethenson | h3sp4wn: is that ok? |
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| 14:54.13 | Paula^ | abrotman - and its the /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 14:54.15 | h3sp4wn | nethenson: you probably want --initrd somewhere |
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| 14:54.43 | h3sp4wn | nethenson: maybe kernel_headers also |
| 14:54.58 | hark | Paula^: install x-window-system-core |
| 14:55.00 | h3sp4wn | (unless you are specifically making it non initrd) |
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| 14:55.18 | pingouin | why would any command of apt- answer « Segmentation faultsts... 0% » and what can i do to solve this trouble ? |
| 14:55.20 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: okay .. well .. that package is currently broken, mozilla-mplayer depends on iceweasel which will soon replace firefox .. so my recommendatyion is to install one of the other browsers, and then remove it later after iceweasel is installed |
| 14:55.38 | abrotman | Paula^: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 14:55.41 | hark | Thug-N-Me: or galeon/epiphany/konq.. etc as shown in the depends list by dpkg |
| 14:56.03 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman ok |
| 14:57.17 | Paula^ | whats the root command? |
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| 14:57.43 | abrotman | Paula^: i told you |
| 14:58.10 | hark | Paula^: su? |
| 14:58.17 | nethenson | thanks h3sp4wn |
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| 14:58.45 | Paula^ | su yes |
| 14:58.52 | hark | oh |
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| 14:59.01 | hark | !win me |
| 14:59.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:59.09 | hark | ooh |
| 14:59.13 | pingouin | :) |
| 14:59.34 | abrotman | hark: you changed nicks ? |
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| 14:59.58 | bartden | anyone here who knows where i can get a RIPE Nic Handle |
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| 15:00.05 | abrotman | wrong channel? |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | ask RIPE ? |
| 15:00.21 | hark | abrotman: yeah, was strider quite sometime back ;) |
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| 15:00.45 | Paula^ | x-window-system-core don't have any installations candidate? |
| 15:01.24 | Paula^ | what does i8253 count too high means? |
| 15:01.40 | hark | klogd probably |
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| 15:02.52 | hark | Paula^: where do you see that message? |
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| 15:03.29 | Thug-N-Me | caracremada hows the new firefox2 is it faster ? |
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| 15:04.02 | Paula^ | I have some text and sometimes its just prints "i8253 count too high! resetting..." |
| 15:04.25 | hark | !klogd |
| 15:04.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
| 15:04.36 | cilkay | Thug-N-Me: I don't see any performance diff in FF2 and it breaks one of my favourite extensions, Bookmark Tags |
| 15:05.11 | adyta | hmm, weird |
| 15:05.14 | hark | hmm, or /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:05.23 | Thug-N-Me | cilkay ok did you tryed galeon ? |
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| 15:05.32 | adyta | my usb NIC works when i'm installing debian netinst, but not in the console :x |
| 15:06.34 | cilkay | Thug-N-Me: I've tried it but don't see any obvious reason to run it. IIRC, it doesn't use FF extensions. |
| 15:06.44 | adyta | can someone tell me how to load the usb/nic module from the install cd? |
| 15:06.59 | adyta | it does work when i'm installing debian, so i guess the right module is on de cd |
| 15:07.04 | adyta | de = the :+ |
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| 15:07.24 | cilkay | How do I start tightvncserver on startup? I don't see an init script for it like I'm used to in other distros. |
| 15:07.39 | hark | Paula^: you can leave that for now. later on once your X issue is resolved edit /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomment the kernel.printk parameter. should fix it, or do as dpkg said before. |
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| 15:08.12 | karmatro1ic | !bootmisc.sh |
| 15:08.12 | dpkg | bootmisc is, like, where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 15:08.29 | hark | Paula^: are you sure you typed xwindow-system-core? |
| 15:08.40 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: or create an init script |
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| 15:09.07 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: x11vnc is cool too btw |
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| 15:09.17 | cilkay | thanks karmatro1ic. I suspected the latter. |
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| 15:10.06 | cilkay | karmatro1ic: I tried it but it doesn't seem to have the option of starting with -localhost like tightvncserver does. What do you find is "cool" about it? |
| 15:10.30 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: you can share your own display (:0.0) |
| 15:10.44 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: like relavnc does as default |
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| 15:10.56 | karmatro1ic | s/relavnc/realvnc |
| 15:11.04 | hark | Paula^: er.. *x-window-system-core |
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| 15:11.04 | cilkay | Not important for me at all. |
| 15:11.14 | bhundven | wireddd you could also check out the GNUe project at: http://www.gnue.org << I ment to say this out loud to the chan, but I pm'd :( |
| 15:11.21 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: to help someone , it s a cool feature |
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| 15:11.27 | cilkay | The only reason I'm using VNC at all is because there are no good FreeNX packages. |
| 15:11.31 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: or to do teaching |
| 15:11.46 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: i ve used freenx in the past |
| 15:11.48 | nethenson | I have the typical [LAN]->(Linux Router)->Internet. Can I limit the number of connections that each computer of the lan makes to the internet? And the number that each makes to the same host (e.g. due to using a download acelerator)? |
| 15:11.50 | cilkay | Yeah, I know. It's just not the use case here. |
| 15:11.57 | pingouin | what would make apt- answer me «Segmentation faultsts... 0%» on apt-get upgrade / install and update (thus it goes out to check the source list on apt-get update) |
| 15:11.58 | karmatro1ic | cilkay: allright |
| 15:12.28 | pingouin | any idea to solve the trouble ? |
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| 15:13.19 | nethenson | I have found that something called iplimit.patch exists. But it is vanished. not in the current patch-o-matic, and a 404 when trying to dowload it from the netfilter.org :S |
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| 15:14.08 | cydork | pingouin: corrupted status files or list files. |
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| 15:16.19 | karmatro1ic | pingouin: some googling suggests deleting bin files from /var/cache/apt |
| 15:16.40 | karmatro1ic | pingouin: and running apt-get update then |
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| 15:17.22 | toubsu | anyone know the link of what countries allow what encryption, i can't seem to find it |
| 15:17.31 | hark | pingouin: apt-get remove --purge apt-get && apt-get install apt-get ;p |
| 15:17.39 | pingouin | cydork / karmatro1ic : ok i try that. Thanks both of you. I did not do anything on apt to have it corrupted...i'm surprised.... |
| 15:18.16 | junix|work | how do i enable my serial ports on ttyS00 so i can configure my cisco pix? |
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| 15:19.13 | duckx | Does anyone knows something about this one ? |
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| 15:19.17 | duckx | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/73724 |
| 15:19.19 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: perfect, it's work again without any error message |
| 15:19.27 | krazykit | duckx, no, because it's not ubuntu. |
| 15:19.28 | joaop | there is some way to loggin the apt actions ? |
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| 15:19.33 | krazykit | duckx, er, we're not ubuntu |
| 15:19.38 | Ronin | duckx: #ubuntu would |
| 15:19.41 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: thanks again. i almost saw myself reinstall my debian ;) |
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| 15:19.46 | duckx | krazykit: I just hit that bug on debian :) |
| 15:19.52 | cydork | bahh emacs-jabber is throwing "error in process filter: Process jabber not runnin" |
| 15:19.57 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: any idea of what's append to have this corrupted files ? |
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| 15:20.07 | krazykit | duckx, then file the bug in debian if you can reproduce it :-P |
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| 15:20.22 | karmatro1ic | pingouin: it s supposed to be a bug |
| 15:20.27 | duckx | krazykit: ok ;) |
| 15:20.29 | joaop | there is some way to loggin the apt actions ? |
| 15:20.52 | krazykit | duckx, it even has what patch to use at the bottom, so you can stick it in the bug report :-) |
| 15:21.13 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: ok. i have apt-list bug installed, and stop any update that have «open» package bugs status |
| 15:21.21 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: maybe i miss this one |
| 15:21.26 | pingouin | karmatro1ic: anyway thanks. |
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| 15:22.13 | |zetetic| | hi |
| 15:22.14 | Thug-N-Me | its kde desktop bigger the gnome desktop ? |
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| 15:22.59 | SlayerXP | Thug-N-Me: they're usually the same resolution |
| 15:23.35 | Thug-N-Me | SlayerXP i mean using more packages for the basic install |
| 15:23.39 | Ronin | Thug-N-Me: what do you mean by bigger? package size? |
| 15:23.49 | Thug-N-Me | Ronin yeah |
| 15:24.03 | Thug-N-Me | Ronin to get gnome basic i need about 300 MB |
| 15:24.08 | hark | Thug-N-Me: you can install kde-core for a much reduced install |
| 15:24.09 | Thug-N-Me | what about kde |
| 15:24.33 | Thug-N-Me | so apt-get install kde-core its less then apt-get install kde ? |
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| 15:24.38 | hark | or kdebase |
| 15:24.49 | hark | !install kde |
| 15:24.49 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 15:25.13 | hark | !install gnome |
| 15:25.13 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 15:25.14 | Thug-N-Me | hark are you rinning kde ? |
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| 15:25.27 | cornernote | when i start samba, it tries to use libsasl2.so.2 from /opt/zimbra/ instead of /usr/lib |
| 15:25.39 | hark | Thug-N-Me: ah, no. sorry. |
| 15:25.57 | cornernote | anyone know why it would look anywhere buy /usr/lib first ? |
| 15:26.06 | cornernote | *buy=but |
| 15:26.38 | nethenson | Anyone knows where iplimit (iptables -m iplimit module) has gone in debian ? |
| 15:26.42 | Thug-N-Me | hark what then ? gnome ? |
| 15:26.42 | hark | time sure flies in the 'ircosphere' |
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| 15:27.22 | hark | Thug-N-Me: have to go. I'll be back in about an hour or so.. :) |
| 15:27.28 | Thug-N-Me | aight |
| 15:28.09 | kyaneos | hi |
| 15:28.29 | |zetetic| | which peer2peer apliccation do you recommend? I'm using debian etch, with gnome |
| 15:28.51 | wireddd | bittorrent |
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| 15:29.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:29.27 | mariuss | hi, i want hebrew letters in oo.org in sarge, what do i do? |
| 15:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | i got a directory full with mp3s |
| 15:29.44 | HardDisk_WP | unfortunately half of them are copies of other mp3s ikn the directories |
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| 15:29.56 | HardDisk_WP | any way to clean up the double files? |
| 15:30.02 | mariuss | exact copies? |
| 15:30.02 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, are they all tagged right? |
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| 15:30.14 | mariuss | or two versions of the same song? |
| 15:30.14 | wireddd | probably not |
| 15:30.24 | Danielss89 | hi, ive installed php5 but when trying to execute /usr/bin/php it thinks im still using php4... how can i change the system to use php5 |
| 15:30.25 | HardDisk_WP | krazykit, no, that's the problem. but the equals are bitwise identifcal |
| 15:30.36 | HardDisk_WP | mariuss, exact copies |
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| 15:30.49 | |zetetic| | wireddd: in my windows times I was using azureus... bittorrent is better than azureus? |
| 15:30.52 | karmatro1ic | Danielss89: ls -l /usr/bin/phph |
| 15:30.54 | mariuss | then you could probably make a script that removed all files that are EXACTLY the same size |
| 15:30.54 | karmatro1ic | Danielss89: ls -l /usr/bin/php |
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| 15:31.06 | karmatro1ic | Danielss89: if it points to php4 |
| 15:31.12 | Danielss89 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jan 16 02:26 /usr/bin/php -> /etc/alternatives/php |
| 15:31.14 | wireddd | |zetetic|: azureus is a bittorent client |
| 15:31.18 | karmatro1ic | Danielss89: kill the link and create a new one |
| 15:31.28 | Danielss89 | eh... |
| 15:31.31 | wireddd | |zetetic|: azureus works in debian |
| 15:31.32 | Danielss89 | how is that done |
| 15:31.33 | HardDisk_WP | mariuss, that's too unsafe...any way to do it via SHA/MD5 checksum? |
| 15:31.34 | nethenson | |zetetic|: bittorrent is the protocol used by azureus (like HTTP is the protocol used by firefox) |
| 15:31.36 | sep | Danielss89, perhaps update-alternatives --config php |
| 15:31.41 | mariuss | HardDisk_WP: probably |
| 15:31.52 | mariuss | yea, but you would have to write a script to do it |
| 15:32.04 | HardDisk_WP | mariuss, u know any tool for that or do i have to do it by hand? |
| 15:32.16 | mariuss | i dont know of any no, there might be though |
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| 15:32.21 | Danielss89 | karmatro1ic how do i kill it and create a new one? |
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| 15:32.33 | mindframe | so whats better than fluxbox these days? |
| 15:32.39 | tarzeau | mindframe: wmaker |
| 15:32.42 | karmatro1ic | rm /etc/alternatives/php && ln -s /usr/bin/php5 /etc/alternatives/php |
| 15:32.51 | cydork | mindframe: fvwm-crystal :P |
| 15:32.53 | wireddd | |zetetic|: you can install azureus through synaptic |
| 15:32.56 | bhundven | «Danielss89» you could always read 'man update-alternatives' |
| 15:33.03 | sep | Danielss89, use update-alternatives that's what it's there for |
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| 15:33.13 | krazykit | mindframe, as far as *box goes, flux... as far as the new hotness, e17. |
| 15:33.20 | Danielss89 | sep There is only 1 program which provides php |
| 15:33.20 | Danielss89 | (/usr/bin/php4). Nothing to configure. |
| 15:33.24 | wireddd | |zetetic|: or "apt-get install azureus" as root |
| 15:33.37 | |zetetic| | wiredd: sorry, my question was incorrect. I would like to know what bittorrent do you recommend. I don't want to install proprietary java, so pearhaps azureus is not for me... |
| 15:33.42 | cydork | !e17 |
| 15:33.43 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 15:33.44 | sep | Danielss89, are you sure you installed php5 packages successfully ? |
| 15:33.48 | cydork | krazykit: ^^ |
| 15:34.03 | |zetetic| | wiredd: I mean what bittorrent client you recommend |
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| 15:34.06 | krazykit | i wasn't asking ljlane :-P |
| 15:34.19 | Danielss89 | yes sep my apache2 server uses em.. just a sec... ill make a php_info |
| 15:34.36 | Hotwire | |zetetic|: use ktorrent then ... |
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| 15:34.56 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 15:35.06 | Hotwire | Danielss89: do you have php5-cli installed? |
| 15:35.08 | hjubal | hello |
| 15:35.13 | bhundven | «Danielss89» you may have the php4-cli package installed, but not the php5-cli package installed. |
| 15:35.34 | bhundven | try dpkg -l php5-cli |
| 15:35.37 | wireddd | |zetetic|: try out ktorrent |
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| 15:35.46 | sep | Danielss89, that is not the same php package do as bhundven saies |
| 15:35.50 | |zetetic| | Hotwire: ktorrent runs well on gnome? I'm a free software advocate, so I don't install proprietary java, only the free java |
| 15:36.16 | gypsymauro | I want to build a simple internet kiosk PC, with a small disk size that allows me to run mozilla firefox and openoffice on a celeron 433 , 128 Mb of RAM, there is a debian based distro for this? |
| 15:36.17 | Hotwire | |zetetic|: its runs well on kde, i cant speak for gnome |
| 15:36.21 | bhundven | if you get: "(no description available)" it's not installed |
| 15:36.34 | |zetetic| | wiredd, Hotwire: thank you, you are very kind. this community rock! I will try ktorrent on gnome |
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| 15:36.58 | Danielss89 | ill try install it |
| 15:37.13 | sep | gypsymauro, you could check out debian-edu |
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| 15:38.27 | sep | gypsymauro, but if you dont have a powerful box acting as server it will be pointless jsut stick with stock debian and do a leigth desktop + the applications you need |
| 15:38.28 | Danielss89 | nizzle, it works.. thanks everyone |
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| 15:38.39 | hjubal | is there any unofficial package for vmware? |
| 15:39.23 | bhundven | np |
| 15:40.55 | panthera | hjubal: apt-get install vmware-package |
| 15:41.13 | bhundven | «nethenson» actually I found xt_limit.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/net/netfilter on my laptop |
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| 15:41.45 | tarzeau | can java-pacakge not process jdk-6-linux-i586.bin ? |
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| 15:42.02 | hjubal | panthera: there's no "vmware-package" in my repo.. |
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| 15:42.19 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know which acpi script is executed when I unplug the ac cord on my notebook? |
| 15:43.21 | panthera | hjubal: it is in experimental. |
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| 15:45.06 | tarzeau | damn #322843 |
| 15:45.15 | hjubal | panthera: oh, ok.. I'm running etch.. going to look for dependencies |
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| 15:45.39 | stranger_stone | how can i stabalize my sound?! |
| 15:45.51 | cydork | !dbugs 322843 |
| 15:45.54 | dpkg | #322843:W[java-package] java-package: support for jdk 1.6; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:18:01 UTC |
| 15:45.55 | stranger_stone | i have detection from 2 sound cards |
| 15:46.10 | karmatro1ic | stabalize? |
| 15:46.12 | stranger_stone | and some usb thta i don`t have |
| 15:46.13 | cydork | tarzeau: you need jdk 1.6?? |
| 15:46.17 | tarzeau | cydork: yes |
| 15:46.21 | tarzeau | cydork: well not me personally |
| 15:46.27 | stranger_stone | yes because i allywasy need to run alsaconf |
| 15:46.29 | tarzeau | cydork: those here at work |
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| 15:46.40 | stranger_stone | to i listen sound then i reboot and i get no sound again :| |
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| 15:46.58 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok :) |
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| 15:47.04 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: find out which modules your sound cards use |
| 15:47.15 | cydork | stranger_stone: do you use gnome? |
| 15:47.16 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and put those in /etc/modules |
| 15:47.34 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i have sound but after i type alsaconf and then i reboot and get no sound again |
| 15:47.40 | stranger_stone | yes i use gnome |
| 15:47.51 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: you have 2 sound cards ? |
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| 15:47.59 | cydork | stranger_stone: it uses esd by default. Turn that off |
| 15:48.03 | stranger_stone | motherboard and pci "my soundblaster" |
| 15:48.19 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and you want to use both ? |
| 15:48.25 | stranger_stone | linux reconize the motherboard and the sound blaster and some usb i think i don`t have lol |
| 15:48.37 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: maybe you have a webcam |
| 15:48.39 | cahoot | why run alsaconf at all? |
| 15:48.40 | stranger_stone | one is good |
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| 15:48.46 | stranger_stone | yes i have webcam |
| 15:48.56 | stranger_stone | wowwwwwwwww yes the micro |
| 15:49.02 | stranger_stone | from the web you right |
| 15:49.04 | mariuss | hi, i want hebrew letters in oo.org in sarge, what do i do? |
| 15:49.05 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stoneright |
| 15:49.13 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: so |
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| 15:49.33 | stranger_stone | micro is micro is not the sound output |
| 15:49.37 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: put snd_usb_audio in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:49.58 | stranger_stone | let's me try |
| 15:50.05 | karmatro1ic | and find out the module used by your two soundcards and blacklist one |
| 15:50.32 | stranger_stone | and how can i find the other module? |
| 15:51.11 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: modprobe | grep snd |
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| 15:52.10 | stranger_stone | ok |
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| 15:52.20 | bartden | hi, any suggestions for a UML editor ? |
| 15:52.39 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: for the usb microphone , if you re not using it |
| 15:52.57 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: instead of blaclisting the snd_usb_audio module |
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| 15:53.11 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: you can simply create a file named webcam in |
| 15:53.20 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: /etc/modprobe.d directory |
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| 15:54.47 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: with the line options snd-usb-audio index=2 |
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| 15:54.59 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and then run update-modules |
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| 15:55.23 | godzirra | Does anyone know where I can find mod_proxy for apache 1.3x? |
| 15:55.33 | godzirra | Its not in apt-cache as far as I acn tell. |
| 15:57.24 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i check the other module |
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| 15:57.39 | abrotman | godzirra: try apt-file |
| 15:57.48 | abrotman | !find mod_proxy sarge |
| 15:57.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_proxy' (5 of 9): (/usr/share/webmin/apache/mod_proxy.pl) in admin/webmin-apache ;; (/usr/share/usermin/htaccess/mod_proxy.pl) in admin/usermin-htaccess ;; (/usr/include/apache-1.3/modules/proxy/mod_proxy.h) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/mod/mod_proxy.html) in doc/apache-doc ;; (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_html.so) in web/libapache2-mod-proxy-html. |
| 15:58.02 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: you re supposed to have 3 |
| 15:58.36 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic yes i have 3 |
| 15:58.56 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: so find out modules for the remaining 2 sound cards |
| 15:59.21 | godzirra | abrotman: which of those do I need though... |
| 15:59.34 | abrotman | the right one ... |
| 15:59.48 | godzirra | =p Which one is the right one though? ;p |
| 16:00.01 | sooty23 | is etch close to moving to stable? are packages in testing on freeze at the moment? |
| 16:00.37 | azeem | sooty23: yes and yes |
| 16:00.49 | Knight_Lord | How do i set my default printer in CUPS? |
| 16:01.01 | sooty23 | azeem: cool, thanks. |
| 16:01.08 | mariuss | hi, i want hebrew letters in oo.org in sarge, what do i do? |
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| 16:01.17 | azeem | mariuss: maybe better try etch |
| 16:01.36 | mariuss | i cant, this is a 30pc terminal server, im sticking with sarge |
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| 16:01.47 | azeem | mariuss: ok, no idea then |
| 16:01.51 | mariuss | :) |
| 16:01.53 | karmatro1ic | mariuss: apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-he |
| 16:01.59 | mariuss | karmatro1ic: i did that |
| 16:02.06 | godzirra | abrotman: how do I tell which one is the right one. Those are all perl scripts and html docs for the most part. Do i have to compile it from scratch? |
| 16:02.07 | mariuss | still cant see a hebrew font in there |
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| 16:02.27 | karmatro1ic | mariuss: maybe need to tell openoffice those fonts are available |
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| 16:02.30 | mariuss | ahh i know, i got the -hu one instead of the -he one :P:P:P |
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| 16:04.09 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is it possible in some way to backport 'dmraid' package from unstable to stable? |
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| 16:04.35 | godzirra | anyone know? |
| 16:05.03 | sep | !simple sid backport |
| 16:05.21 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 16:05.58 | jjazz | Knight_Lord: Edit /etc/cups/printer.conf |
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| 16:06.13 | jjazz | Knight_Lord: Sorry, that's /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 16:06.27 | godzirra | I just need to know how to get mod_proxy working on my system with apache 1.3x |
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| 16:07.15 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i going to reboot to check if this works thanks |
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| 16:12.24 | g333k_work | hello, how to run a x server in a thin client? |
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| 16:13.38 | sep | g333k_work, use ltsp ? |
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| 16:14.13 | matthew2 | Is there a way to get dh_install to process files w/ spaces in their names? |
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| 16:14.36 | g333k_work | sep, I'm using ltsp, but I'm having some RAM resources problems.... I cannot run apps locally so I want to do it my way |
| 16:14.43 | PingFloyd | matthew2: not sure, but did you trying escaping the space? |
| 16:14.52 | PingFloyd | like\ this |
| 16:14.58 | neoalex | hi guys... I think I've asked this before, but I still wasn't able to find a solution: my dhcp client is not working |
| 16:14.59 | matthew2 | PingFloyd: yeah, I did. It didn't like that either. |
| 16:15.10 | sep | ltsp includes solutions to running x against a remote server |
| 16:15.20 | PingFloyd | I take it you tried experimenting with quoting too |
| 16:15.27 | matthew2 | PingFloyd: yeah |
| 16:15.30 | neoalex | at the moment I'm using dhcp3-client, but I've tried udhcpc, pump, and dhcp-client |
| 16:15.35 | neoalex | none of them work |
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| 16:16.00 | PingFloyd | maybe you have to use an escape sequence |
| 16:16.38 | justin | neoalex: do you actually have a dhcp server? |
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| 16:16.56 | neoalex | yes |
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| 16:17.06 | justin | neoalex: what kind is it? |
| 16:17.19 | neoalex | the error dhclient gives is: receive_packet failed on eth1: Network is down |
| 16:17.24 | neoalex | it's a linksys router |
| 16:17.34 | justin | neoalex: what kind of interface is eth1? |
| 16:17.46 | neoalex | wired |
| 16:17.47 | justin | neoalex: hint: down interfaces will not get a dhcp link, no matter how hard you try |
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| 16:18.01 | neoalex | the thing is it's not down |
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| 16:18.09 | quitte | what's the proper thing to put in interfaces for a nfsroot machine that gets its network configuration by dhcp? inet dhcp drops the network connection then nfs fails and thats it. |
| 16:18.13 | neoalex | if I put a static ip on it |
| 16:18.14 | sep | neoalex, and you have set it as dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup gives that error ?` |
| 16:18.28 | neoalex | and ping the router, everything works |
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| 16:18.35 | neoalex | tried that too... same error |
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| 16:19.37 | neoalex | first receive_packet, then send_packet until it times out |
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| 16:20.07 | sep | use tcpdump to verify you get DHCPOFFERS |
| 16:20.08 | neoalex | also ran a tcpdump on another machine and dhclient is not sending any broadcasts |
| 16:20.13 | justin | neoalex: why do you have a wired interface as eth1? |
| 16:20.21 | sep | and make sure you have not firewalled yourself away from that protocol |
| 16:20.34 | neoalex | because there's two of them |
| 16:20.44 | neoalex | first one does the same thing though |
| 16:20.52 | enouf | neoalex: nothing in /etc/hosts.deny? .. dunno |
| 16:21.01 | justin | neoalex: sure you don't have the cables switched? |
| 16:21.32 | neoalex | youp... both cables are pluged in the same network |
| 16:21.38 | justin | what? |
| 16:21.39 | enouf | neoalex: is this within a VM installation/context? |
| 16:22.01 | neoalex | VM? |
| 16:22.09 | enouf | bah |
| 16:22.15 | karmatro1ic | neoalex: Virtual machine |
| 16:22.19 | godzirra | So can anyone help me figure out how to get mod_proxy for apache 1.3x? |
| 16:22.22 | neoalex | oh...no it's not |
| 16:22.22 | godzirra | pelase? |
| 16:22.23 | godzirra | please. |
| 16:22.44 | neoalex | it's on a ARM machine running debian off an SD card |
| 16:23.14 | neoalex | nothing in hosts.deny either |
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| 16:24.01 | sep | godzirra, it it not possible to upgrade to 2.0 ? |
| 16:24.05 | neoalex | af_packet module is also loaded |
| 16:24.06 | godzirra | sep: I wish :/ |
| 16:24.17 | godzirra | sep: boss won't allow it. He really doesnt do much until something breaks. |
| 16:24.21 | enouf | neoalex: /sbin/ifconfig -a says what about the IP addys ? eth0 and eth1 |
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| 16:24.48 | stranger_stone | re :) |
| 16:24.49 | enouf | neoalex: the othere here are MUCH better networkers than I .. just a note |
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| 16:24.59 | riot | hi. |
| 16:25.02 | enouf | others* |
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| 16:25.16 | KurtAngle | does anyone have a command that will recursively make all *directories* executable, but not 'real' files ? |
| 16:25.21 | riot | is it default/necessary, that procmail is setuid and setgid? |
| 16:25.22 | neoalex | enouf: I'll post the output on pastebin... just a sec |
| 16:25.25 | rahul | KurtAngle: use find -type d |
| 16:25.38 | riot | (it is root.mail) |
| 16:25.39 | KurtAngle | rahul how do i combine it with chmod? |
| 16:25.47 | rahul | KurtAngle: -exec |
| 16:25.50 | stranger_stone | llook`s the sound good now but look's now neither all software have sound LOL |
| 16:25.55 | KurtAngle | rahul: thanks |
| 16:26.13 | neoalex | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/320561 |
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| 16:27.02 | enouf | looks .. but busy too |
| 16:27.17 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: what do you mean |
| 16:27.21 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: ? |
| 16:27.45 | neoalex | eth0 has a static ip, and i'm ssh-ing to it at the moment |
| 16:27.50 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic now i can have sound in websites and when run mp3 but the rdio software now don`t give any sound lol |
| 16:28.08 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: rdio software? |
| 16:28.13 | stranger_stone | Rhythmbox |
| 16:28.28 | stranger_stone | the one that cames whith debian lol |
| 16:28.32 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and when you do alsamixer , what do you see ? |
| 16:28.37 | godzirra | so does anyone know how to get mod_proxy running? |
| 16:29.37 | ma3x | what are the top 5 dvd players for linux? |
| 16:29.40 | sep | godzirra, i dont know. but im afraid it might erquire a ercompile of 1.3 (lots easier to upgrade) |
| 16:29.51 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic what is supost i see? |
| 16:30.42 | enouf | one anamoly that I don't understand, yet was told it is not an issue is .. why is the MAC addy of eth1 only 1 digit off from the eth0 ?? wouldn'tthey be entirely diff? .. or do most Dual NIC mobos usually have it setup this way (isn't one usually Gigabit and one is 100BaseT) neoalex |
| 16:30.44 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: settings of your default sound card |
| 16:30.50 | godzirra | sep: what are the possible things that could go wrong on an upgrade though? We've got a weird system using a significant number of rewrites and mod_macro |
| 16:31.00 | karmatro1ic | godzirra: try locate mod_proxy |
| 16:31.04 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i don`t see anything roung here :\ |
| 16:31.17 | godzirra | karmatro1ic: I did. I don't have it. |
| 16:31.21 | sep | godzirra, lots :) have backups |
| 16:31.33 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:31.35 | godzirra | sep: see, thats what i'm worried about ;p |
| 16:31.38 | neoalex | enouf: it's an embedded ARM board from Technological Systems, that's probably just how they set it up |
| 16:31.45 | godzirra | sep: the rewrites shld work the same right? |
| 16:31.54 | stranger_stone | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.54 | stranger_stone | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.06 | enouf | I see neoalex .. ok .. does dmesg tell you anything about eth0 and eth1 ? grep them .. you sure the eth1 NIC module is loaded and functioning? |
| 16:32.28 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and rythmbox doesnt work ? |
| 16:32.32 | neoalex | eth1: Open Ethernet Core Version 1.0 |
| 16:32.38 | stranger_stone | nop |
| 16:32.40 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: killall esd |
| 16:32.41 | neoalex | eth1 BMSR_ANEGCOMPLETE timeout ! |
| 16:33.03 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: and try again |
| 16:33.07 | enouf | hrm.. could be an issue? |
| 16:33.08 | matthew2 | PingFloyd: FWIW the dh_install spaces problem in 3 years old (bug #198507). And it's never going to be fixed for reasons that don't seem quite logical, but are nevertheless resolute. |
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| 16:33.13 | justin | neoalex: ah, I was going to have you run mii-tool etc |
| 16:33.26 | stranger_stone | esd: no process killed |
| 16:33.26 | enouf | ethtool amy be better? |
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| 16:33.31 | enouf | may* |
| 16:33.31 | stranger_stone | :x |
| 16:33.52 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: but do you hear music when using other music software |
| 16:34.10 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: or using vlc and watching a movie |
| 16:34.11 | stranger_stone | yes i listen |
| 16:34.22 | stranger_stone | websiets youtube and everything |
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| 16:34.41 | effie_jayx | hello all, Could anyone tell me where I can find a wallpaper that has the Swirl with Debian People in it? :D |
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| 16:35.06 | Ronin | effie_jayx: www.google.com can ;) |
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| 16:35.59 | effie_jayx | Ronin, i tried but nothing :S thanks |
| 16:36.00 | neoalex | ok so I should run ethtool |
| 16:36.06 | neoalex | what does that do? |
| 16:37.05 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic strange this?! |
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| 16:37.58 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: kind of strange |
| 16:38.28 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: try using aplay and play any sound file |
| 16:38.44 | FlopsyPete | hi. My Sarge server has a directory exported thru Samba with permissions 'rwxrws user1 group'. InDesign on Windows workstations opens user2's files read-only, I'm thinking because they don't have Windows 'modify' ACL. How do people setup Samba to work around this? Samba 3.0.20/23's new acl support looks promising but this is 3.0.14. |
| 16:38.59 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: also i dont understand why you cant see anything from alsamixer |
| 16:39.02 | FlopsyPete | Both users aremmbers of 'group' |
| 16:39.08 | stranger_stone | effie_jayx http://dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/show.php?id=_wallpaper/_linux/debian |
| 16:39.14 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: sure you ve got alsa working ? |
| 16:39.27 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i think so |
| 16:39.30 | neoalex | guys does, the dhclient have any dependencies at all? |
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| 16:39.36 | stranger_stone | to i have sound i think |
| 16:39.38 | enouf | neoalex: I have no idea what that error means .. and google yields a few hits about debian .. but they're long-winded .. check it out .. ethtool -a eth1 will yiled "some" info about it .. compare with eth0 .. I wonder if ipv6 has anything to do with this? .. I see a sit0 interface on my setup in ifconfig -a output .. and I'm onl using 1 standard Natsemi NIC |
| 16:39.49 | cahoot | karmatro1ic: running alsamixer on wrong card? |
| 16:40.06 | karmatro1ic | cahoot: he would have an output |
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| 16:40.43 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: ls /dev/dsp* |
| 16:40.55 | enouf | neoalex: also look at diffs in udevinfo and lshal output and dbus and shit like that .. I'm lost at this point :-P |
| 16:40.58 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: it s a default kernel right ? |
| 16:41.00 | stranger_stone | /dev/dsp |
| 16:41.07 | stranger_stone | amd64 x2 |
| 16:41.19 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 16:41.21 | neoalex | enouf: just a sec... I need to actually instal ethtool first |
| 16:41.27 | stranger_stone | since i make one upgrade here look's anythink works fine :X |
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| 16:41.42 | stranger_stone | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-01-18 16:21 /dev/dsp |
| 16:41.45 | effie_jayx | found it... |
| 16:41.51 | effie_jayx | http://valessio.ul-jb.org/projetos/debian/wallpaper/Espiral-Debconf6/Espiral-Debconf6_1024x780.png :D thanks guys |
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| 16:42.22 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: you re member of the audiop group right ? |
| 16:42.23 | stranger_stone | o0 0o :x |
| 16:42.41 | stranger_stone | yes shure i have sound and everything is the user acounts |
| 16:42.48 | stranger_stone | youtube and everything lol |
| 16:43.00 | stranger_stone | the radio works but after i do this don have no radio sound |
| 16:44.28 | neoalex | ok... here's something weird... very weird, If I put a static ip on eth1 and ping it, it still pings eth0 |
| 16:44.37 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: how do you play your radio thing ? |
| 16:45.29 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic trust me the radio is working and the sound is in the midle |
| 16:45.43 | stranger_stone | cames the music name and everything just don`t have sound |
| 16:46.41 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: try setting volume in rythmbox then :) |
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| 16:47.02 | neoalex | brb... got to move to the pc that actually has a serial port, so I can plug in the console :D |
| 16:47.11 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic my volume is in the midle |
| 16:47.17 | stranger_stone | i check this |
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| 16:50.26 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 16:50.42 | karmatro1ic | stranger_stone: worked? |
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| 16:50.52 | kevinl- | ey guys, has anyone gotten a graphical bootplash to work in etch ? (usplash, fbplash, debsplash, splashy etc) ? |
| 16:50.56 | stranger_stone | no don`t work i allready have check this beford |
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| 16:51.42 | cyzie | localhost kernel: [17363046.448000] Disabling IRQ #4 // what does this mean? |
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| 16:53.52 | RichiH | !2006 key |
| 16:53.52 | dpkg | hmm... 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 16:55.50 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic no solution ins`t it? |
| 16:55.52 | stranger_stone | lol |
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| 16:56.29 | enouf | cyzie: it means it disable irq4 |
| 16:57.12 | cyzie | why would it disable irq4? can i know what is irq4 ? |
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| 16:57.45 | enouf | cyzie: mine's not needed .. cat /proc/interrupts |
| 16:58.42 | enouf | cyzie: IIRC, IRQ#3, #4 are generally left for assignment to Serial ports/devices (COM1,2) .. cat /proc/ioports as well |
| 16:59.09 | enouf | cyzie: ttyS0 and ttyS1 .. but I may be braindamaged... |
| 16:59.13 | rgsteele | Mmm... can an MX record have an IP as it's destination, or does it require a formal hostname? |
| 16:59.35 | neoalex | ok i'm back |
| 16:59.42 | SlayerXP | rgsteele: an mx record should always be canonical |
| 16:59.42 | stranger_stone | well i don`t know i give up |
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| 16:59.43 | enouf | neoalex: yep .. and? |
| 16:59.57 | stranger_stone | gona try to release a litle |
| 17:00.17 | enouf | neoalex: "very weird, If I put a static ip on eth1 and ping it, it still pings eth" <-- I thought something strange like tat was occuring |
| 17:00.21 | stranger_stone | karmatro1ic i have for a few hours try to resolve this and nathing to :) thanks for you try to help np :) |
| 17:00.24 | enouf | that* |
| 17:00.36 | stranger_stone | sorry about the time |
| 17:00.45 | cyzie | enouf, cat /proc/interrupts shows none from 4. maybe it disable already on 4 so it wont appear there? |
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| 17:01.30 | enouf | cyzie: mine doesn't show it either .. cause it's not being used, nor needed |
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| 17:01.44 | thug | hi all |
| 17:01.54 | thug | what the kde version on ecth rc1 ? |
| 17:02.09 | blondie | !pdo |
| 17:02.09 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:02.15 | enouf | cyzie: if you added a device to your 9 pin serial ports .. like a Modem or simialr .. it would likely be used |
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| 17:02.48 | enouf | cyzie: if it doesn't work .. check the BIOS and make sure uyou have COM1 (and 2 if neessary) enabled, depending |
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| 17:03.22 | cyzie | enouf, mmm.. okie, i have a UPS where this UPS have this RS232 interface (serial) to interconnect to my box. then there is a program . but i didnt attach the serial port anymore :-s |
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| 17:03.48 | enouf | cyzie: hahaha |
| 17:03.50 | cyzie | enouf, thanks for the valuable info and kind help |
| 17:03.58 | enouf | cyzie: no prob :-) |
| 17:03.59 | cyzie | enouf, but that app is running on my box |
| 17:04.12 | cyzie | maybe it polling on the serial port? |
| 17:04.16 | cyzie | but why is the kernel disable it ? |
| 17:04.31 | enouf | cyzie: Attach te connections |
| 17:04.54 | enouf | cyzie: then on Boot .. the kerne;l will see it and assign it .. IF the BIOS has it enabled |
| 17:05.42 | enouf | ok .. gotta split for sometime .. bbl |
| 17:06.32 | cyzie | yes, my com port is enabled in the BIOS. mmm.. maybe i just disable the program and dont use the UPS. see if it really connected to the application. |
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| 17:09.03 | drzed | hi there |
| 17:09.26 | drzed | little question on the standard debian stable: |
| 17:09.42 | abrotman | 42 |
| 17:09.52 | drzed | is the kernel capeable of using posix-acl's and xattr's w/ reiserfs? |
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| 17:14.00 | piper69 | hello all |
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| 17:14.35 | piper69 | i installed Apache long time on this machine and i don't know which ver how can i check please? |
| 17:15.01 | Ronin | piper69: well how did you install it? |
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| 17:21.27 | piper69 | Ronin: apt-get install |
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| 17:22.52 | Ronin | piper69: probibly 1.13.x but apache -v will say |
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| 17:23.25 | pingouin | piper69: or dpkg -l | grep apache or something like this |
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| 17:26.37 | Errotan | Hi everybody. |
| 17:26.52 | Errotan | does anybody have a problem with libapache2-mod-suphp on debian 'etch' like me ? |
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| 17:27.07 | allix | hello |
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| 17:27.52 | allix | ive tried asking in debian-amd64 but nobody is answering... i have installed ia32-libs and now want to run a 32 bit web browser |
| 17:28.25 | piper69 | how can i test and see if i have installed phpmy admin and mysql |
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| 17:36.50 | cahoot | allix: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 - might be of use |
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| 17:50.47 | misreckoning | mentor: can I ask you something on a private channel? |
| 17:51.32 | mentor | ... |
| 17:51.34 | mentor | yes |
| 17:51.37 | rhsanborn | dpkg's klogd info appears to state that klogd is obsolete and that syslog-ng should be used. Is there a tag or config that can make it stop outputting minor or non-critical error messages to the console, like is mentioned for klogd? |
| 17:52.17 | hark | sysctl.conf |
| 17:52.51 | hark | or the factoid way, i guess |
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| 17:55.23 | rhsanborn | hark, Most of these errors are from my wireless card, saying that it has or hasn't established a signal....any idea where I might look in sysctl to stop those? |
| 17:56.06 | hark | rhsanborn: /etc/sysctl.conf, there should already be a commented line (kernel.printk). Uncomment it |
| 17:57.05 | rhsanborn | hark, thanks so much |
| 17:57.10 | jetscreamer | gah i HATE having the route spam or whatever it is printed to console |
| 17:57.15 | CharminTheMoose | I'm attempting to create a small linux distro using the binaries of debian sarge. could someone give a hint as to how I can get PAM to work correctly? |
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| 17:57.20 | rhsanborn | It's been driving me nuts while I'm writing docs in vim |
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| 17:57.39 | rhsanborn | jetscreamer, been driving me nuts |
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| 17:57.52 | jetscreamer | yeah been there |
| 17:57.57 | hark | heh, irritating |
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| 17:58.17 | rhsanborn | Every 30 seconds or so, all my text disappears under messages. We'll see how it works. Thanks again hark |
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| 17:58.51 | jetscreamer | for me it's usually some windows box trying to connect... oh btw a firewall seems to stop that also |
| 17:58.55 | hark | rhsanborn: /usr/share/doc/klogd/ for more info |
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| 17:59.46 | rhsanborn | hark, dpkg recommended getting rid of klogd and replacing it with syslog-ng |
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| 18:00.23 | hark | !factinfo klogd |
| 18:00.23 | dpkg | klogd -- last modified at Thu Jun 30 19:54:13 2005 by stouset!~stephen@adsl-211-242-145.asm.bellsouth.net; it has been requested 30 times, last by rhsanborn, 11m 42s ago. |
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| 18:01.39 | pablo_ | hello |
| 18:01.44 | freeemind | hallo |
| 18:02.04 | pablo_ | i am on sarge and x is working but it does not produces a correct output |
| 18:02.18 | rhsanborn | I'm looking up the specific errors with relation to syslog-ng now. Uncommenting that line didn't work |
| 18:02.50 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: define "correct output" ? |
| 18:03.34 | hark | rhsanborn: you would have to reboot |
| 18:03.41 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: i dont know how to describe it, it is like the screen is moved/cut |
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| 18:04.16 | rhsanborn | hark, of course, :P thanks |
| 18:04.26 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: black border on one side and a missing part on the other side ? |
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| 18:05.40 | hark | or maybe not.. |
| 18:06.19 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: no, no black side, they superpose one over each |
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| 18:07.14 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: CRT-Monitor ? can you put the file /etc/X11/xfree.conf and /var/log/Xfree.0.log into a pastebin ? |
| 18:07.32 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: yes |
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| 18:09.06 | slept | flashplugin in etch seems to be broken because the archive from macromedia is not named beta anymore , and simply renaming doesnt help because the md5sum is checked, nay suggestions how to fix that without using the sid package ? |
| 18:10.02 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: you have a too high or too low refresh rate... maybe you selected the wrong monitor-model or the xfree-config is wrong. More details if you put the log and config online. |
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| 18:10.28 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: just a sec i have the pastebin |
| 18:10.48 | mz_work | slept, http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 18:11.28 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: pastebin is slow |
| 18:11.46 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/862212 |
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| 18:12.07 | slept | mz_work, yes i am talking about that file, but if i use their installer i have no idea where it puts all the files and when i want to update again it will suck |
| 18:12.08 | Ronin | pablo_: pastebin.com has sucked for months, try pastebin.ca |
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| 18:13.00 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/320653 |
| 18:13.33 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/320654 |
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| 18:14.00 | mz_work | slept, run as user - installs to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 18:14.11 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: are you sure about that resolution ? 1400x1050 is a bit strange for CRTs ... |
| 18:14.29 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: yes i am sure of it |
| 18:14.36 | slept | mz_work, ok thanks |
| 18:14.39 | hark | rhsanborn: sysctl -p would have been better than rebooting. Forgot about that. Do you get the messages now? |
| 18:15.14 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: here it says http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:A20p |
| 18:16.11 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: found anything i can change? |
| 18:16.35 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: that is a laptop with a TFT, not a CRT. CRT = old, big, bulky things, TFT = new & flat ... wait a sec.. |
| 18:16.39 | rahul | heh |
| 18:16.44 | rahul | laptop with a crt |
| 18:17.01 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: hh ok |
| 18:17.19 | rahul | actually, the original compaq portable had a crt. but it wasn't a laptop :) |
| 18:17.34 | xingu | 1400x1050 is going to need a chunky dotclock and a fat pipe; I'd be impressed to see an analog video setup that could carry it. |
| 18:17.35 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: comment out the lines 76 and 77 (HorizSync and VertRefresh). And check the "expand display" setting in the BIOS. |
| 18:17.47 | rhsanborn | hark, I was just doing some typing in vim to see...and so far, I didn't get any |
| 18:18.01 | rahul | 1400x1050 isn't much |
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| 18:18.10 | pumpkin0 | rahul: that was a lapcrusher ... |
| 18:18.11 | rhsanborn | hark, thanks so much |
| 18:18.12 | rahul | it's less than 1600x1200, wtf |
| 18:18.42 | rahul | modern CRTs are at least 1800x1440 or whatever that is |
| 18:18.43 | cahoot | it is? |
| 18:19.00 | hark | np |
| 18:19.09 | rahul | pumpkin0: heh |
| 18:19.20 | pumpkin0 | rahul, xingu: the old ATI 7500 radeon could output 2048xSomething at the VGA-head. OK, the picture was not so nice ... |
| 18:19.28 | xingu | ... |
| 18:19.48 | xingu | so your choices are ringing, flicker, or don't do it. |
| 18:19.55 | piper69 | how can i install phpmyadmin & mysql |
| 18:20.01 | rahul | it's a LAPTOP anyway. |
| 18:20.07 | rahul | it has a digital connection |
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| 18:20.14 | xingu | or use a dvi of some description :) |
| 18:20.14 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: i comented lines 76 and 77 and execute gdm and i see it very big, i didnt understand the prt you talked about the bios |
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| 18:20.40 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: big ? ...low resolution ? |
| 18:20.42 | rahul | xingu: are you seriously saying that 1600x1200 is too much for a CRT? |
| 18:21.06 | rahul | 1600x1200 is old school CRT res. |
| 18:21.09 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: yes low resolution i mean |
| 18:21.29 | rahul | pablo_: check /var/log/X*.log to see why it didn't choose a better res |
| 18:21.36 | vulture | rahul: Depends on the size of the CRT, more than likely. |
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| 18:21.47 | rahul | vulture: he's talking about VGA cabling |
| 18:21.57 | xingu | rahul: it's not great on analog cabling |
| 18:22.09 | rahul | xingu: maybe if it's a 25 foot cable... |
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| 18:22.33 | rahul | seriously, 1600x1200 has been done on CRTs for a decade, at least. |
| 18:22.40 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: what did you say about bios expand display? |
| 18:22.42 | rahul | evil camelbot! |
| 18:22.44 | xingu | rahul: my work systems use 1900x1280 on rgb component |
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| 18:23.18 | xingu | rahul: it's passable, but they're nothing like the dvi panels. |
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| 18:23.27 | jetscreamer | everybody should apt-get install vrms |
| 18:23.48 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: you can set the BIOS to expand low-res DOS-pictures to the wohle screen. That setting may cause troubles. |
| 18:23.56 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: why ? |
| 18:23.58 | hark | yeah, fun |
| 18:24.00 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 18:24.00 | dpkg | somebody said hwinfo was your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 18:24.02 | hark | !vrms |
| 18:24.02 | dpkg | vrms is, like, The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 18:24.18 | piper69 | how can i install phpmyadmin & mysql |
| 18:24.23 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: that would remove my browser... |
| 18:24.25 | piper69 | !phpmyadmin |
| 18:24.25 | dpkg | methinks phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
| 18:24.28 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 18:24.38 | rahul | yeah, install vrms so you can't write open source software. |
| 18:24.48 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: how can i fix this? |
| 18:24.59 | rahul | vrms would forbid you from installing glibc documentation :) |
| 18:25.05 | jetscreamer | no it just bitches about your non-free stuff |
| 18:25.20 | jetscreamer | it doesn't stop you |
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| 18:25.47 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: first get hwinfo and try the refresh rates it outputs. |
| 18:26.07 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: how do i do that? |
| 18:26.11 | rahul | I get yelled at by my parents and various women enough :P |
| 18:26.13 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 18:26.16 | piper69 | is there is an apt-get for PHPmyadmin please |
| 18:26.27 | pumpkin0 | !tell pablo_ about hwinfo |
| 18:26.28 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search phpmyadmin |
| 18:26.30 | rahul | I don't need some smelly, antisocial router-stealer to yell at me |
| 18:27.00 | jetscreamer | zomg! phpmyadmin - Administrate MySQL over the WWW |
| 18:27.16 | jetscreamer | not sure about sarge though |
| 18:27.19 | jetscreamer | or etch |
| 18:27.26 | jetscreamer | !info phpmyadmin sarge |
| 18:27.34 | jetscreamer | !info phpmyadmin etch |
| 18:27.35 | dpkg | phpmyadmin: (set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 4:2.6.2-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2703 kB, Installed size: 10448 kB |
| 18:27.42 | dpkg | phpmyadmin: (Administrate MySQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 4:2.9.1.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3506 kB, Installed size: 13752 kB |
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| 18:27.53 | jetscreamer | nope, no phpmyadmin |
| 18:27.59 | jetscreamer | tough luck |
| 18:28.08 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
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| 18:33.12 | itguru | i know this isn't debian related.... but.... |
| 18:33.24 | itguru | ... how the hell do i change a CD image, to a DVD image? |
| 18:33.50 | justin | itguru: there is a difference? |
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| 18:34.15 | quitte | itguru: iso filesystem works fine on dvds |
| 18:34.17 | itguru | justin - i just found out myself! |
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| 18:34.21 | tank-man | difference is the media you use and program |
| 18:34.32 | itguru | quitte-> tell that to k3b! |
| 18:34.36 | rahul | you can put anything you want on a cd or dvd |
| 18:34.41 | rahul | I've put tar files on cds. |
| 18:34.43 | pablo_ | PumpkinPie: thanks i fix it with that sync config |
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| 18:35.23 | keith80403 | Does /usr/bin/at log its activity anywhere? I don't see any entries in /var/log/messages or elsewhere in /var/log ... ? |
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| 18:35.28 | tank-man | i dont think you can burn a cd image to dvd dual layer tho |
| 18:35.30 | Danielss89 | hmm... whats the mode for chmod so that it chmod all subfolders and files also? |
| 18:35.37 | rahul | tank-man: why not? |
| 18:35.48 | rahul | tank-man: it will never reach the second layer |
| 18:35.48 | tank-man | growisofs gives an error |
| 18:35.56 | keith80403 | Danielss89, chmod -R xxx /home/foo/bar |
| 18:36.02 | Danielss89 | thx |
| 18:36.03 | jetscreamer | itguru: you can burn the .iso to dvd or cd.. it's no different.. jsut does it fit |
| 18:36.05 | tank-man | doesnt work for me, but works in some windows program |
| 18:36.25 | keith80403 | Danielss89, Sure. Be careful. |
| 18:36.28 | rahul | a cd and a dvd are both just streams of bits. |
| 18:36.29 | itguru | jetscreamer-> it's a 750 mg image, trying to burn onto dvd k3b bitches about it |
| 18:36.34 | jetscreamer | not sure about dual layer i wouldn't try |
| 18:36.46 | quitte | are dvds now cheaper than cds or something? |
| 18:36.48 | rahul | my "cd" image is often a tar file. |
| 18:36.49 | jetscreamer | itguru: i've used k3b to burn a cd .iso to dvd, all i can tell you |
| 18:37.03 | rahul | there is no such thing as a "cd image", per se. |
| 18:37.07 | jetscreamer | quitte: i didn't have any cd's but i had a stack of dvd-r's |
| 18:37.12 | tank-man | quitte, pretty much same price |
| 18:37.21 | tank-man | not dual layer tho |
| 18:37.26 | rahul | if you're really crazy, you could put an ext3 FS on a CD. it'll just be read-only :P |
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| 18:37.43 | jetscreamer | yeah tooexpensive that's why i wouldn't try a dual layer one :) |
| 18:37.48 | xingu | what would happen if there was a pending commit in the journal? :) |
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| 18:38.33 | rahul | xingu: you'd umount it before burning the image :P |
| 18:38.44 | xingu | the original GA release of sol10 panic'd nicely if you did that with logging ufs |
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| 18:39.26 | itguru | jetscreamer-> I just realised what was happening, K3B assumed it was a CD, i did it from the file manager, when i fired up k3b myself, I was able to choose DVD *duh on me!* |
| 18:39.26 | Danielss89 | just one more thing, can i print list off processes and how much CPU theyre taking? |
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| 18:39.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:40.05 | pablo_ | PumpkinPie: thanks |
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| 18:42.27 | paines | hi |
| 18:42.38 | itguru | Yes, DVD is freshly burnt...... |
| 18:42.46 | itguru | .... mmm.. the smell of digital charcoal |
| 18:42.55 | pablo_ | hi, when i turn on my computer with the battery it shows less mhz, how can i fix it? |
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| 18:43.38 | paines | i compiled and install kernel 2.6.19.2 and everything works, but during startup i see hunderds of chdir: no such file or directory prints. any idea how to find out where this comes from ? |
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| 18:44.12 | staticxsource | does iptables or ipchains run on a default install of debian etch? |
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| 18:44.26 | quitte | yes |
| 18:44.28 | blondie | iptables not chains does |
| 18:44.39 | Danielss89 | cann i print list off processes and how much CPU theyre taking? |
| 18:44.41 | blondie | ipchains is for what... 2.2? |
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| 18:44.57 | blondie | Danielss89: yes |
| 18:45.11 | pablo_ | hi, when i turn on my computer with the battery it shows less mhz, how can i fix it? |
| 18:45.11 | Danielss89 | which command shall i use blackflag |
| 18:45.13 | Danielss89 | which command shall i use blondie |
| 18:45.16 | blondie | pablo_: that's normal isn't it? |
| 18:45.25 | blondie | pablo_: frequency scaling to save battery power |
| 18:45.38 | blondie | Danielss89: top or ps |
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| 18:45.40 | staticxsource | i'm trying to setup ssh and I cannot seem to connect from outside, thought it was my port forwarding on the router, but it seems to work, so it's probably iptables blocking it from connecting |
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| 18:45.43 | pablo_ | blondie: ahhh, ok so i should leave it like that? |
| 18:45.57 | staticxsource | any ideas on what i need to do |
| 18:46.02 | blondie | pablo_: I should think so |
| 18:46.02 | tuvwx | any recommendation on mercurial vs. darcs vs. bzr? |
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| 18:46.23 | blondie | staticxsource: no firewall rules are enabled by default |
| 18:46.26 | karmatro1ic | i ve got a server which can connect only from time to to time to internet . it sometime shows resource temporary unavailablÃe.... |
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| 18:47.14 | pablo_ | blondie: another thing, which package do you recommend in orther to install oo, oo-core, oo-common oo-gtk or which? |
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| 18:47.15 | blondie | no idea, i dont like openoffice |
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| 18:47.28 | blondie | oo I should think though |
| 18:48.04 | pablo_ | blondie: what do you use ko? |
| 18:48.06 | blondie | staticxsource: can you connect to the machine over the aln? |
| 18:48.07 | streuner_ | pablo_: openoffice.org |
| 18:48.17 | blondie | pablo_: none |
| 18:48.18 | pablo_ | streuner_: ok, thanks |
| 18:48.25 | pablo_ | blondie: go? |
| 18:48.29 | blondie | what? |
| 18:48.50 | staticxsource | how can i see if the connection is getting to this computer then, maybe i should setup tcpdump |
| 18:49.03 | blondie | s/aln/lan/ |
| 18:49.37 | staticxsource | i can connect from another machine by using 192.168.0.4 which is the ip of the server |
| 18:49.41 | blondie | type iptables -L (as root) to confirm that there's nothing blocking it |
| 18:49.41 | streuner_ | staticxsource: debian doesn't do that for you... |
| 18:50.02 | streuner_ | iptables or ipchains |
| 18:50.04 | blondie | I would blame the router or your ISP |
| 18:50.26 | streuner_ | where is abrotman when you need him? :-) |
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| 18:50.41 | thug | hi all |
| 18:51.02 | thug | do i need any virus-scanner ? like Aegis or clamav ? |
| 18:51.06 | streuner_ | staticxsource: how about to use 'traceroute'? |
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| 18:51.13 | streuner_ | thug: usually not |
| 18:51.18 | jetscreamer | thug: not that i can tell ymmv though |
| 18:51.26 | staticxsource | i dont think it my router, i changed the listening port from 22 to 43274 to make sure it wasent blocked by ISP, or do you think they are blocking all ports |
| 18:51.35 | jetscreamer | thug: that's to scan windows boxes i think :) |
| 18:51.39 | streuner_ | only if you have windows installed somewhere else and mails going to the windows box then |
| 18:51.46 | geo-rge | staticxsource: are you getting out? are you using package "ipmasq"? |
| 18:51.55 | staticxsource | iptables -L gives 3 lines - target prot opt source destination |
| 18:51.57 | jetscreamer | or vscanning a mailserver |
| 18:51.59 | thug | jetscreamer are you sure ? |
| 18:52.10 | blondie | staticxsource: do you have other port forwards and do they work? |
| 18:52.14 | thug | jetscreamer so i should get rid of it right ? |
| 18:52.26 | jetscreamer | thug: like i said, ymmv, but i personally don't need one |
| 18:52.31 | geo-rge | staticxsource: looks like that's empty... what are you using as a router? |
| 18:52.42 | thug | ok |
| 18:53.45 | geo-rge | !info aolserver4-nspostgres |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | aolserver4-nspostgres: (AOLserver 4 module: Postgres connector), section web, is optional. Version: 4.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 18:53.58 | staticxsource | netgear DG834PN |
| 18:53.59 | geo-rge | !depends aolserver4-nspostgres |
| 18:54.01 | dpkg | aolserver4-nspostgres: depends on aolserver4 (>= 4.0.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libpq4, tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 18:54.30 | staticxsource | did a port scan on 43274 here http://www.amule.org/testport.php and it shows success |
| 18:55.35 | geo-rge | staticxsource: you'd have to arrange to get in with port 22 on the netgear... but then, you have to decide which computer inside will be the one to ssh into |
| 18:55.58 | k13 | how much the /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser will work as the default browser, system wide? it depends on what application I am using? |
| 18:56.02 | geo-rge | (if your goal is to be able to ssh into some box inside your net, from outside) |
| 18:56.11 | staticxsource | might try and setup a little server on my windows box and try and access it from there, can use netcat as a server can you? |
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| 18:56.37 | thug | ls this line correct deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main contrib non-free ? |
| 18:56.56 | geo-rge | thug: that sounds like marillat |
| 18:57.04 | geo-rge | !marillat |
| 18:57.05 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:57.07 | staticxsource | i did i told the router to forward requests for port 43274 to 192.168.0.4 which is the ssh server |
| 18:57.16 | thug | geo-rge do i need to put contrib non-free at the end ? |
| 18:57.53 | geo-rge | thug: -probably- you'd have to ask them... another way is discover for yourself by putting the http ref into your browse4r |
| 18:58.28 | tuvwx | any recommendation on mercurial vs. darcs vs. bzr? |
| 18:58.38 | thug | geo-rge ok, thanks |
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| 18:59.50 | k13 | how much the /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser will work as the default browser, system wide? it depends on what application I am using? |
| 19:00.25 | dondelelcaro | k13: everything in Debian should be using sensible-browser which usees that by default |
| 19:00.32 | dondelelcaro | (assuming DISPLAY is set) |
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| 19:01.00 | hooya | hi all, i have a situation where a VPN device doesn't send icmp 3/4 messages. i've set the mtu to 1400 and advmss to 1360 but the linux server is still sending packets twice as large as the mtu *without* the DF bit set causing fragmentation. is there a way to tell linux to honor the mtu on that route at all times? |
| 19:01.13 | geo-rge | k13: dunno if "default browser" is a concept linux/debian uses... it is used by microsoft tho, to try to make it harder for you to change what browser comes up |
| 19:01.36 | justin | hooya: how big are the packets it is sending? |
| 19:01.56 | hooya | geo-rge: see 'which www-browser' |
| 19:02.01 | k13 | when the user "clicks" some URL, must be some browser set to open, I think... |
| 19:02.07 | hooya | 2772 or thereabouts |
| 19:02.27 | dondelelcaro | k13: yes, and it's sensible-browser which is run. You can check out the source code for it to see exactly what it does |
| 19:03.16 | justin | hooya: are you using jumbo frames or something? |
| 19:03.24 | k13 | I set x-www-browser to firefox (using update-alternatives) and the firefox's startup script just try to open the "argv[0]" passed to it |
| 19:03.39 | k13 | but this is firefox's problem... but it's just weird. |
| 19:03.46 | hooya | justin: default install. |
| 19:03.59 | justin | hooya: are you not using ethernet? |
| 19:04.14 | hooya | justin: ethernet |
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| 19:04.42 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:04.58 | hooya | justin: how do i check if i'm using jumbo frames? |
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| 19:05.12 | justin | hooya: gigabit ethernet? |
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| 19:05.13 | k13 | dondelelcaro: thanks for the attention, anyway |
| 19:05.25 | dondelelcaro | k13: if firefox's startup script can't open the argument passed to it, it has issues. |
| 19:05.27 | justin | hooya: generally nothing should be using anything biger than 1500 |
| 19:06.06 | hooya | justin: that's what i thought. but wireshark wants to disagree. |
| 19:06.22 | k13 | [kmurata@sap1-000:~]$ sensible-browser |
| 19:06.22 | k13 | run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/lib/firefox/x-www-browser-bin. |
| 19:06.44 | k13 | it's a firefox script bug, I've read this script a lot... |
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| 19:07.59 | dondelelcaro | k13: uh.. what version of Debian is that? |
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| 19:08.38 | dondelelcaro | since anything recent runs /usr/lib/{firefox,iceweasel}/firefox-bin |
| 19:09.31 | hooya | what would cause the DF bit to not be set? |
| 19:09.35 | k13 | it's an ubuntu, 6.06LTS |
| 19:09.58 | dondelelcaro | you're clearly in the wrong channel, then |
| 19:10.02 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite k13 |
| 19:10.32 | hooya | good one |
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| 19:10.58 | k13 | I think the "alternatives" system works the same way |
| 19:11.05 | PingFloyd | what's the problem you're having? is it where when you click on a link in another program it goes to say arizona.edu? |
| 19:11.06 | blondie | #ubuntu |
| 19:11.13 | stranger_stone | i'm fear i install the debian i386 and have the same problems in my pc then the etch 64 bits in some software |
| 19:11.18 | blondie | there's no ubuntu help here I'm afraid... |
| 19:11.19 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 19:11.19 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:11.24 | k13 | but firefox is not a deb package, its the binary tar.gz |
| 19:11.41 | rahul | k13: then you've really screwed up your systm |
| 19:11.42 | PingFloyd | k13: there's a deb package too |
| 19:11.46 | streuner_ | k13: well, irc.mozilla.org #firefox then |
| 19:11.53 | k13 | wow |
| 19:12.03 | justin | hooya: if it was setting the DF bit, then your VPN device is just going to drop it anyway since you said it doesn't send ICMP unreachables |
| 19:12.14 | rahul | k13: sheesh, how do I even start to explain what you did |
| 19:12.23 | k13 | that's nice to see how to claim attention here, it's just say "ubuntu"? why don't you said it before? |
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| 19:12.46 | rahul | k13: you should have UNINSTALLED ororiferousbottom's firefox package before instaling mozilla's |
| 19:13.08 | rahul | odoriferousbottom, even |
| 19:13.20 | hooya | justin: right. but i suspect that there is something weird going on ... if it were trying to do pmtu, it would have the DF set. otherwise why send packets larger than the interface mtu - never mind the route mtu.. |
| 19:13.21 | rahul | !penixstrike k13 |
| 19:13.21 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking k13 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:13.26 | rahul | yeah, you'll get lots of attention |
| 19:13.47 | streuner_ | k13: we support debian, NOT debian based package, fyi - it was the same with knoppix before ... ;-) |
| 19:13.56 | streuner_ | s/package/distros/ |
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| 19:14.10 | justin | hooya: the packet size is up to the application sending the data |
| 19:14.11 | rahul | k13: would you go to #redhat for help with SuSE? |
| 19:14.24 | geo-rge | or conectiva |
| 19:14.37 | justin | hooya: hping3 is good for testing |
| 19:14.43 | geo-rge | (which uses apt for rpms) |
| 19:14.47 | k13 | ok, thanks for the lesson in distros vs derivatives |
| 19:14.48 | rahul | heh |
| 19:14.51 | rahul | connectiva. |
| 19:14.54 | k13 | I never read that before. |
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| 19:14.57 | hooya | ah.. but wouldn't the kernel tcp/ip stack break it up and do "the right thing" (tm) ? |
| 19:15.10 | rahul | k13: yeah. right. move along now. |
| 19:15.12 | geo-rge | rahul: -n... it's brazillian |
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| 19:15.23 | rahul | ah, the land of script kiddies |
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| 19:15.30 | justin | hooya: the only thing it can do if the application is sending large packets is break them up into fragments |
| 19:15.44 | geo-rge | it's surprising they can't get laid |
| 19:15.52 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:16.09 | k13 | rahul: thanks again, for your patience |
| 19:16.13 | rahul | k13: do you have to be an asshole? seriously. |
| 19:16.21 | hooya | justin: but would the application then have to worry about routes, the route mtu and such.. i always thought that the tcp/ip stack did it (nagels algo.. for example) |
| 19:16.25 | justin | hooya: I've seen some pretty must up networking devices not do pmtu right, but I'm not sure how you have managed to get a computer to send 2000+ byte packets |
| 19:16.37 | justin | er, s/must/messed/ |
| 19:16.49 | hooya | it's apache2 |
| 19:16.59 | k13 | rahul: who is being that kind of person? re-read your frases. |
| 19:17.30 | rahul | k13: you barge in here asking for help with something that's unrelated to anything and then make snide remarks at us? |
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| 19:17.33 | streuner_ | k13: well, if you want get help with binaries scroll up |
| 19:17.34 | geo-rge | k13: you were the one that went for the attention-grabbing ploy... |
| 19:17.36 | justin | hooya: run 'tcpdump -vn', what do you see in the 'length: ' column ? |
| 19:17.39 | streuner_ | rahul: stop |
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| 19:17.54 | streuner_ | k13: we told you where you can get help |
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| 19:18.07 | xsdg | how do I find out the build-dependencies for a package? (apt-get build-dep <pkg> doesn't say anything since they're presumably already all installed) |
| 19:18.07 | streuner_ | k13: about binaries |
| 19:18.21 | xingu | hooya: DF= do not fragment; if it's set and the packets are larger than the smallest link mtu between source and sink they will be discarded; you probably do not want that |
| 19:18.27 | jetscreamer | no help in #ubuntu eh |
| 19:18.29 | streuner_ | xsdg: pdo? |
| 19:18.31 | rahul | streuner_: he's asking abot how to integrate his tarball-install into alternatives |
| 19:18.32 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 19:18.40 | streuner_ | rahul: oh |
| 19:18.42 | geo-rge | xsdg: get the source and read debian/control is one way |
| 19:18.45 | rahul | streuner_: not even sure where to start with that one :P |
| 19:18.50 | jetscreamer | ask in ##linux |
| 19:19.01 | xingu | hooya: the IP stack does deal with those issues - if you let it; if the application is assembling its own frames through pcap or tun, its on its own |
| 19:19.05 | rahul | streuner_: not that he even knows that's his question |
| 19:19.29 | hooya | xingu: the app in question is apache2. i didn't think it did it's own packeting |
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| 19:20.00 | PingFloyd | it's actually easy |
| 19:20.04 | hooya | the checksum is out of whack on that tcp frame too. so maybe it is.. |
| 19:20.04 | justin | afaik, apache2 should be using sendfile, which means the kernel does all the sending |
| 19:20.05 | PingFloyd | make file in /etc/menu |
| 19:20.11 | xingu | hooya: correct |
| 19:20.15 | justin | hooya: are you running wireshark on windows? |
| 19:20.16 | geo-rge | rahul: it would probably involve equivs too, if he wants to keep the package database happy |
| 19:20.16 | PingFloyd | creat a file in /etc/menu |
| 19:20.23 | PingFloyd | then run update-alternatives |
| 19:20.24 | rahul | geo-rge: heh, yeah |
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| 19:20.32 | rahul | he's in for one hell of a time. |
| 19:20.39 | xingu | hooya: if the packet checksum is correct and the transport is switched - it's possible you have a duplex mismatch |
| 19:20.40 | geo-rge | very true |
| 19:20.42 | hooya | justin: both on (sending) linux and (receiving) windows. |
| 19:20.46 | k13 | streuner_: I've read, and the problem was solved, or let behind without solution. I just don't agree with that "shiita" position. |
| 19:20.47 | xingu | hooya: s/correct/incorrect/ |
| 19:20.55 | k13 | *shiite |
| 19:21.04 | xingu | oh good god |
| 19:21.04 | geo-rge | his better bet is to use debian packages or build them from source if he wants to alter |
| 19:21.07 | justin | hooya: if your nic is offloading tcp checksum calculation then wireshark will report the infocrrect checksum |
| 19:21.19 | streuner_ | k13: install debian and all things are fine ;-) |
| 19:21.27 | hooya | justin: it did mention something about offloading.. |
| 19:21.38 | hooya | xingu: transport switched? |
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| 19:21.50 | xingu | hooya: between source and point of capture |
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| 19:23.14 | hooya | ok, but what would cause packets twice the size of the mtu? the packet also has no DF bit set. |
| 19:23.21 | geo-rge | k13: -maybe- debian's binary packages used exclusively would be a stable mix for you |
| 19:23.29 | k13 | streuner_: I use Debian, for about 8 years. but I have to work with ubuntu |
| 19:23.31 | hooya | could that possibly be a sendfile() bug? |
| 19:23.54 | rahul | k13: then you know what you're dealing with. set the alternative correctly. |
| 19:24.21 | abrotman | streuner_: ? |
| 19:24.23 | justin | hooya: try 'ip route show cached', that lists discovered mtus etc |
| 19:24.24 | PingFloyd | k13: I told you how. Scroll up |
| 19:24.43 | xingu | hooya: ordinarily you would not want the DF bit to be set as stated above; just checking something locally, there's a way to query the flow cache to discover cached mss for a given path. |
| 19:24.50 | PingFloyd | nvm |
| 19:24.52 | k13 | PingFloyd: I've read, thanks |
| 19:24.53 | streuner_ | abrotman: well, *cough* i just missed you *cough* |
| 19:24.54 | geo-rge | k13: it's not claimed here that you can get support for any os besides debian, or even within debian, the use of the unstable branch, or things you build yourself... if you do get help here, (1) fine... and (2) consider yourself lucky that someone has done you a -special- favor |
| 19:24.57 | hooya | justin: will try that |
| 19:25.02 | PingFloyd | actually I was having a brain fart |
| 19:25.05 | abrotman | streuner_: understandable |
| 19:25.11 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 19:25.33 | streuner_ | abrotman: :-P |
| 19:25.43 | k13 | geo-rge: I'm not thinking this channel is a support, or the like. I've spend much time in irc channels helping too |
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| 19:26.00 | geo-rge | (my personal opinion is that building things yourself can be encouraged, since debian does come with build tools) |
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| 19:26.16 | rahul | but... we can't support the product of that building. |
| 19:26.24 | rahul | we can support setting up the tools, however. |
| 19:26.26 | hooya | justin: what am i looking for? what if the mtu is set correctly but it keeps sending big packets? if the cached mtu is not what i set it to, is there a way to flush the cache? |
| 19:26.32 | streuner_ | k13: we are sorry to hear that, maybe you should stay longer here to see how the support is... |
| 19:26.35 | geo-rge | *nod* to rahul |
| 19:26.42 | PingFloyd | I don't think he was demanding support, but asking a question |
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| 19:26.45 | quitte_ | what is the limit for the size of an initrd? |
| 19:26.49 | jetscreamer | i have a totally ontopic question... how do i zap commercials on my cable :) |
| 19:26.50 | PingFloyd | people are free to answer or not |
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| 19:27.03 | quitte_ | jetscreamer: mythtv |
| 19:27.21 | hooya | quitte: now that's a myth ;) |
| 19:27.26 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: depends on the architecture, but they can be pretty large. |
| 19:27.26 | geo-rge | quitte_: the limit is the smaller of the available disk space to hold the initrd, and the max size of the filesystem used for the initrd |
| 19:27.31 | rahul | PingFloyd: it was off topic and then he started making snide comments about us "educating" him about the difference between debian and not-debian |
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| 19:28.10 | rahul | heh, his question isn't really on-topic in ANY channel |
| 19:28.13 | jetscreamer | ok now a more ontopic-ish question... brands/models of 'well supported under debian' cable/tv cards |
| 19:28.26 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: im trying to figure out why all the live systems that run from a ramdisk use an initrd to load an iso image in the ram. any idea? |
| 19:28.31 | Vluid | hello, is it possible to send files through icq under linux? |
| 19:28.33 | rahul | jetscreamer: check the video4linux website |
| 19:28.38 | jetscreamer | k |
| 19:28.47 | xingu | hooya: ip route list table all |
| 19:28.48 | geo-rge | as I said, he would have to count himself lucky to get help on whatever thing is offtopic |
| 19:28.52 | rahul | should have a list of hardware and how well supported |
| 19:28.55 | jetscreamer | thankee quitte & rahul |
| 19:29.07 | |capiira | hmmmm is that true ? iceweasel is going in today (thanks to manual hinting by aba) |
| 19:29.19 | PingFloyd | I think you've got to count yourself for any help you can get, period. |
| 19:29.21 | jetscreamer | course i need a new comuter for mythtv ... or a great card |
| 19:29.23 | azeem | |capiira: you read it there first |
| 19:29.23 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: they don't load the iso into ram |
| 19:29.35 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: they create a ramdisk which they use as a unionfs overlay |
| 19:29.37 | k13 | streuner_: for sure I can stay. |
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| 19:30.03 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: and how is that better than a big initrdin the first place? |
| 19:30.08 | geo-rge | PingFloyd: true enough... but then, you count yourself lucky for the existance of the open source movement as a whole, and its advocates |
| 19:30.11 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: and the iso isn't on the initrd; the initrd just mounts the cdrom and loopback mounts (or cloop) mounts the iso. |
| 19:30.14 | xingu | hooya: "ip" is from iproute |
| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: because an initrd has to be loaded into ram |
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| 19:30.23 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: that too |
| 19:30.23 | |capiira | what do you mean azeem? |
| 19:30.36 | hooya | xingu: i was using that to set the route mtu and the advmss. |
| 19:30.39 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: sticking things in the initrd that doesn't have to be there is silly. |
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| 19:31.00 | azeem | |capiira: that site is authorative, asking here for confirmation won't clariy further |
| 19:31.04 | ks | help |
| 19:31.06 | ks | ll /mnt/s3 |
| 19:31.06 | ks | ls: reading directory /mnt/s3: Input/output error |
| 19:31.06 | ks | total 0 |
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| 19:31.14 | hooya | hooya: but what's bugging me does the tcp/ip stack let a packet leave with length > mtu? |
| 19:31.28 | xingu | hooya: try down/up the interface after changing mtu. |
| 19:31.31 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: i want to make a small linux system that can be network booted. to make sure it doesnt eat bandwidth all the time i wat it fully loaded in the ram |
| 19:31.32 | streuner_ | ks: do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 19:31.34 | hooya | s/does/is that why/ |
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| 19:31.42 | ks | streuner_ nope |
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| 19:31.45 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: well actually id prefer just having it |
| 19:31.45 | |capiira | okay maybe some insiders in here :) |
| 19:32.16 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: that's rather useless; things that are used frequently will be cached anyway. |
| 19:32.17 | hooya | xingu: did that too. even restarted the system after mucking around with the tcp_no_pmtu* in /proc/sys/net |
| 19:32.17 | streuner_ | ks: well, Input/Output errors are usually caused by HD failures... |
| 19:32.18 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: you'll just be wasting ram on parts of the disk that aren't used all that frequently |
| 19:32.27 | xingu | hooya: what driver? |
| 19:32.29 | streuner_ | ks: or/and FS is fucked |
| 19:32.35 | hooya | tg3 |
| 19:32.43 | dondelelcaro | (and worse, you'll have to transfer the entire disk through the network before you can actually boot, instead of just the parts you need) |
| 19:32.45 | misreckoning | when can we expect to have version 4.0 out? sorry for bothering you :P |
| 19:32.48 | hooya | xingu: tg3\ |
| 19:32.49 | xingu | hooya: 2s, digging. |
| 19:32.51 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 19:32.52 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: does the unionfs have any advantage when th whole system is loaded in the ram? |
| 19:32.52 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 19:32.53 | justin | dondelelcaro: making the entire system fit it ram is nice if the network goes down |
| 19:33.10 | ks | streuner_ it's it's javafs /mnt/s3 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0 0 0 |
| 19:33.17 | dondelelcaro | justin: sure, but if that's a concern network booting the wrong solution |
| 19:33.25 | justin | dondelelcaro: though even in that case you can get away with just making /usr/bin come from the network |
| 19:33.34 | justin | dondelelcaro: er.. /usr |
| 19:33.46 | xingu | hooya: what's the default interface mtu at boot, and what are you changing it to? |
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| 19:34.09 | streuner_ | ks: check out /var/log/syslog |
| 19:34.09 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: no. The advantage of unionfs is that it forms a layer which sends writes to a different filesystem. |
| 19:34.18 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: that's necessary for read only media |
| 19:34.20 | hooya | xingu: default 1500. changed to 1400. altho 1460 should work as well. |
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| 19:34.41 | xingu | hooya: and uname -r ? |
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| 19:34.52 | streuner_ | ks: dmesg would be helpful too in order to see if the HD has issues... |
| 19:35.00 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: ok i see. so except for the waste of ram there is no reason to stick it all in the initrd? |
| 19:35.11 | hooya | ah, 2.6.18-2-686 (?) |
| 19:35.26 | hooya | xingu: ^^ |
| 19:35.28 | ks | streuner_ it runs under Xen |
| 19:35.33 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: there's no reason at all to ever stick it all there; no one does it that way. |
| 19:35.38 | xingu | hooya: cheers, still fishing. |
| 19:35.46 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless their root filesystem is *tiny*) |
| 19:35.59 | hooya | xingu: care to teach how to fish? :) |
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| 19:36.34 | quitte_ | ok thanks a lot |
| 19:36.39 | xingu | hooya: reading the driver source for what it thinks it does on mtu change |
| 19:36.50 | hooya | ah |
| 19:37.43 | ks | streuner_ nothing special in log file |
| 19:37.45 | hooya | xingu: (when you're done): but why does it not respect the original MTU or 1500? |
| 19:37.51 | hooya | s/or/of/ |
| 19:38.06 | piper69 | brb |
| 19:38.08 | xingu | hooya: nb there's probably a faster route to rome in any case, see the iptables manpage example for --set-mss |
| 19:38.35 | xingu | hooya: but yes that's exactly the question I'm looking at; why if mtu is not respected. |
| 19:38.42 | jetscreamer | pcHDTV HD-3000 |
| 19:38.46 | jetscreamer | ^^best |
| 19:39.12 | hooya | xingu: i can try that on a different machine with a different card/driver. is that worth the time? |
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| 19:39.16 | geo-rge | has ld of gcc changed in terms of the required order of parameters? |
| 19:39.17 | ChaosR | chmod does not work on my usb-stick, i want it to be 777, so I do: sudo chmod -v -c 777 /usb, but it stays 755, no matter what I try. Does anybody know how to solve this. The usb-stick is fat32 (it is also used on windows)I |
| 19:39.36 | geo-rge | ChaosR: fat32 does not have chmod |
| 19:39.37 | jetscreamer | ChaosR: it's in the mount |
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| 19:39.47 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 19:39.47 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 19:39.52 | xingu | hooya: it'll work... |
| 19:40.19 | Azar | hello honorables :) |
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| 19:41.05 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda1/mnt/hda1vfatauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 19:41.27 | hooya | xingu: well, as i understand it, --set-mss will mangle the SYN.. packet and set the mss (which is already there). but will not limit the packet size. i was looking to do something similar before but --reject doesn't allow sending icmp 3/4s back. i would have to write a plugin for iptables to allow that.. |
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| 19:42.27 | hooya | xingu: if reject had an option for 3/4s i could send that back and get the kernel to 'discover' the mtu that i wanted.. |
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| 19:43.08 | ChaosR | thanks |
| 19:43.30 | hooya | xingu: did you find anything on the driver about MTUs? |
| 19:43.51 | xingu | hooya: if you clamp mss, you will never emit a frame that's too large |
| 19:44.07 | hooya | xingu: ok. i'll try that. |
| 19:44.25 | xingu | hooya: well, a tcp one anyway; I think I'd need you to paste ifconfig -a and tcpdump -nvvi somecapture |
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| 19:44.55 | xingu | hooya: for the rest; as far as I can work out, even with TSO enabled the tg3 driver asks the hardware to do the right think with if mtu |
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| 19:45.14 | Azar | I am reading a tutorial about partitions, what is the debian way of fdisk -l ? |
| 19:45.18 | xingu | hooya: and for DS=0, it will fragment the packet per the source anyway. |
| 19:45.27 | streuner_ | Azar: fdisk -l? |
| 19:45.34 | iSteve | Hi; anyone running VPOPMAIL under Debian/Etch? I've noticed it was removed from ftp-master because of RoQA; my question is, is somebody still maintaining the packages perhaps at his people.debian homepage? |
| 19:45.36 | hooya | xingu: TSO? DS? |
| 19:45.38 | iSteve | Thanks in advance for any reply |
| 19:45.45 | Azar | streuner: http://www.webdotdev.com/nvd/os-systems/linux/working-with-partitions-in-linux.html |
| 19:46.02 | xingu | hooya: sorry, DF=0; TSO= transparent segment offload, the NIC does TCP CRC calculation/ check. |
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| 19:46.32 | hooya | ah. |
| 19:46.43 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- I'm curious to know...does Debian have many advantages over a release such as CentOS? |
| 19:46.56 | azeem | !why debian |
| 19:46.56 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:47.00 | geo-rge | Azar: fdisk -l (not everything has a debian way that is other than generic unix) |
| 19:47.01 | rahul | oh jeez |
| 19:47.07 | rahul | not this troll again |
| 19:47.17 | streuner_ | Azar: hm, fdisk -l is available in debian too, so what's the question? |
| 19:47.34 | SexyKen | Thanks azeem :-) |
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| 19:47.34 | rahul | SexyKen: how many times are you going to bother us with that crap? |
| 19:47.34 | Azar | geo-rge: hmm I get a "command not found" maybe I should use su |
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| 19:47.35 | hooya | xingu: so who do you think is causing the large packets? |
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| 19:47.35 | jelly | SexyKen: What is your major malfunction, mon? |
| 19:47.37 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 19:47.47 | SexyKen | huh? |
| 19:47.49 | geo-rge | Azar: fdisk will not work as other than root |
| 19:47.53 | Roey | SexyKen: heh |
| 19:48.09 | PingFloyd | that seems like it would be kind of overboard to have a debian way for dealing with partitions :) |
| 19:48.20 | jelly | SexyKen: you're asking the same stuff every day. |
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| 19:48.40 | eldowan | stoned: good day. |
| 19:48.43 | hooya | jelly: maybe he's bill murry from groundhog day! |
| 19:48.47 | rahul | heh |
| 19:49.03 | Azar | /dev/hda1 1 66 530113+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris <<<newbie question, what should Solaris do here? |
| 19:49.03 | jelly | SexyKen: well, with small variations. Do you have problems with memory, or ADD, or what? |
| 19:49.06 | PingFloyd | that would be pretty messed up if fdisk worked with non-root privileges :) |
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| 19:49.13 | xingu | hooya: not sure, need to see your ifconfig and packet decode to confirm that's actually what's happening |
| 19:49.15 | PingFloyd | that would be like windows :) |
| 19:49.23 | Roey | PingFloyd: hahahahahah |
| 19:49.23 | geo-rge | SexyKen: they are considering your request for a comparison to another dist to be a troll attempt... apparantly you've been here before? the thing is other oses are offtopic here |
| 19:49.27 | Roey | PingFloyd: nice nick |
| 19:49.27 | streuner_ | Azar: just ignore that |
| 19:49.28 | jelly | hooya: I got you babe! |
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| 19:49.34 | SexyKen | Yes I have STML with a minor case of LTML |
| 19:49.37 | Azar | streuner_: thanks :) |
| 19:49.38 | streuner_ | Azar: 82 is still swap |
| 19:49.48 | stoned | eldowan, hi |
| 19:49.48 | Azar | ok |
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| 19:49.51 | SexyKen | geo-rge I see what you're saying. |
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| 19:50.00 | eldowan | stoned: check your PM at oftc |
| 19:50.05 | SexyKen | is troll something that means im trying to argue with you? |
| 19:50.06 | streuner_ | /dev/hda2 609 851 1951897+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 19:50.12 | rahul | SexyKen: log your irc conversations and re-read them every day |
| 19:50.15 | blondie | !troll |
| 19:50.15 | dpkg | hmm... troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 19:50.17 | geo-rge | SexyKen: check the gargon file |
| 19:50.18 | PingFloyd | Azar: I think it just says solaris and always has for description |
| 19:50.22 | geo-rge | jargon |
| 19:50.25 | SexyKen | rahul: that's not smart |
| 19:50.27 | stoned | eldowan, thank you |
| 19:50.30 | rahul | gargoyle file. |
| 19:50.32 | rahul | SexyKen: sure it is |
| 19:50.33 | Draconicus | If I try to open any external links in Firefox it gives a "Firefox is running but currently not responding" error, even though by all logic they should work. It's been doing this since I installed Debian a few days ago, and it's driving me bonkers! |
| 19:50.35 | SexyKen | rahul: eventually it would take days to read |
| 19:50.43 | eldowan | stoned: just helping out.. D: |
| 19:50.48 | hooya | xingu: ok. i can't get that for you right now. thanks for helping me out. if i don't figure it out by this evening, i'll try to get the packet dump and the corresponding ifconfig output.. |
| 19:50.51 | rahul | SexyKen: better than getting us pissed at you |
| 19:50.57 | geo-rge | SexyKen: if YOU read them, that means WE don't have to :) |
| 19:51.06 | PingFloyd | Azar: nothing to worry about with the solaris part |
| 19:51.20 | jelly | also, grep does wonders |
| 19:51.38 | geo-rge | I wonder what grep does! |
| 19:51.46 | xingu | hooya: sure; I gotta shoot anyway, good luck; the --set-mss trick will probably do what you need doing |
| 19:51.47 | eldowan | geo-rge: good uestion. |
| 19:51.51 | geo-rge | (hey, you're right!) |
| 19:51.53 | eldowan | s/uestion/question/ |
| 19:52.03 | hooya | xingu: thanks again. will try it.. |
| 19:52.08 | xingu | hooya: but it doesn't answer your question, and I'm curious too; but without a tg3 to test on myself... |
| 19:52.41 | hooya | xingu: but am i right ? in that the packet size should never have been larger than the MTU? |
| 19:52.49 | justin | hooya: tg3? thats a gigabit ethernet card |
| 19:52.50 | hooya | especially without the DF set? |
| 19:52.56 | hooya | justin: yes. |
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| 19:53.05 | xingu | hooya: the variable seem to be - what the shortest matching prefix for the sink has set as advmss; and whether the tg3 engine is respecting configured mtu |
| 19:53.07 | justin | hooya: jumbo frames? |
| 19:53.20 | hooya | justin: how do i check? |
| 19:53.24 | xingu | hooya: *with* the DF bit it should drop the packets; without it, it should fragment them. |
| 19:53.32 | xingu | justin: no, 1400byte mtu. |
| 19:53.53 | geo-rge | SexyKen: bottom line: if you have a question that -is- about debian and -is not- about other dists, you can ask it... |
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| 19:54.05 | xingu | hooya: if you're really unlucky the tg3 is just re-coalescing the fragments produced by the kernel |
| 19:54.20 | jazbo2185 | how would I determine the codec of a video file? |
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| 19:54.41 | thug | hi all |
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| 19:54.45 | geo-rge | SexyKen: (look at it this way... in order to completely answer one that is about 2 or more oses, someone would have to know all of them) |
| 19:54.53 | streuner_ | jazbo2185: run 'mplayer' or 'xine' as root, it usually shows you what codec it uses |
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| 19:55.06 | streuner_ | jazbo2185: at the cli |
| 19:55.11 | xingu | hooya: but anyway; you can ~probably cure the actual fault with --set-msgg; why the tg3 interface is not respecting mtu - that needs more data; and yes, a compare against a different NIC/driver would be a good idea |
| 19:55.12 | thug | need a good link for debian email server guide (also apache mysql php ) |
| 19:55.13 | hooya | xingu: yeah, my point was, the only reason for even trying to send something larger would be to attempt to discover a PMTU - for that you need DF. never mind that that is not what i want. the reason to have an MTU is to stop framentation.. so why disrespect it? hmmm.. |
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| 19:55.49 | xingu | hooya: hardware limitation, bug, or misdiagnosis |
| 19:55.57 | hooya | xingu: --set-msgg? |
| 19:55.58 | xingu | hooya: there's not too many other variables |
| 19:55.59 | streuner_ | thug: to install? just google for 'debian SMTP HOWTO' or such |
| 19:56.05 | rahul | thug: file:///usr/share/doc |
| 19:56.05 | xingu | hooya: dodgy kb; --set-mss |
| 19:56.14 | piper69 | ok i found the i have apache and phpmyadmin, i want to install mysql |
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| 19:56.20 | thug | streuner_ yeah to install |
| 19:56.20 | hooya | xingu: misdiagnosis -- well that's always there.. ;) |
| 19:56.34 | Guerin | !tell thug about postfix howto |
| 19:56.38 | rahul | thug: just select the packages you want |
| 19:56.40 | hooya | piper69: aptitude install mysql-server |
| 19:56.44 | PingFloyd | thug: there is so many different options you can go with, your best bet is to pick the pieces you want |
| 19:56.44 | rahul | how hard is that? |
| 19:56.47 | streuner_ | !postfix howto |
| 19:56.48 | dpkg | hmm... postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 19:56.48 | xingu | hooya: incidentally - if you configure mtu at 1400 then try a 1500 byte ping - does it get emitted? |
| 19:56.57 | Guerin | streuner_: kuatbt |
| 19:57.09 | piper69 | hooya: thank man will go try that |
| 19:57.11 | thug | PingFloyd squermail |
| 19:57.11 | hooya | xingu: complains about the DF bit. |
| 19:57.21 | hooya | xingu: and needing frag.. |
| 19:57.28 | hooya | xingu: like it should |
| 19:57.28 | eldowan | I was shown the factoid kp about building a custom kernel in debian. Should shis factoid be listed in the <debian kernel> or the <kernel howto>? |
| 19:57.30 | streuner_ | Guerin: sorry? |
| 19:57.37 | Guerin | streuner_: don't be ;) |
| 19:57.38 | geo-rge | piper69: aside: you should probably consider learning/playing with postgresql |
| 19:57.47 | streuner_ | Guerin: just google for 'Debian SMTP Howto' ;-) |
| 19:57.49 | xingu | hooya: right; so we're back to bug in the way the kernel<->tg3 handle tso; or misdiagnosis. |
| 19:58.18 | Guerin | rrr, i have to go shopwise for coffee |
| 19:58.26 | Guerin | this is less than optimal |
| 19:58.27 | hooya | xingu: well, to be sure, i also had wireshark on the receiving end which showed packet reassambly.. |
| 19:58.39 | xingu | hooya: the latter we can chop through by reinspecting your capture to make sure that things line up; that the ether source is indeed your nic and the dest is indeed your router and the ether frame size is >mtu |
| 19:58.53 | jazbo2185 | I've ssh'd onto a machine. Now I want to start a movie playing on that machine. If I |
| 19:59.03 | xingu | hooya: the recieving end may well be showing you the packet after reassembly |
| 19:59.12 | hooya | xingu: the router is a VPN if that makes any diff |
| 19:59.18 | jazbo2185 | If I'm local I would just `xine foo`. How do I do this from a remote connection? |
| 19:59.22 | xingu | hooya: not really. :) |
| 19:59.26 | PingFloyd | thug: your best bet is to pick your poison, try to figure out how to get it work as much as you can by doing alot of reading, then when you get stuck, come and ask a question. |
| 19:59.33 | Draconicus | Hello? |
| 19:59.42 | PingFloyd | thug: first thing you should check out is the howtos on tldp.org |
| 19:59.57 | streuner_ | jazbo2185: /msg dpkg ssh+x |
| 19:59.57 | hooya | xingu: i'm pretty sure it was before reassembly - had two packets for every one sent from the source. |
| 20:00.03 | thug | PingFloyd i use to have a good server a while ago, on redhat box, |
| 20:00.10 | thug | PingFloyd ok |
| 20:00.12 | jazbo2185 | streuner_: ty |
| 20:00.12 | hooya | xingu: and the payload added up |
| 20:00.16 | geo-rge | jazbo2185: you want to play something from a remote machine? the sound might come from the remote |
| 20:00.21 | xingu | hooya: ok |
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| 20:00.41 | xingu | hooya: so you'd want to see the above wrt src/dst/framelen |
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| 20:00.55 | hooya | xingu: did that. |
| 20:01.12 | xingu | hooya: is the dst on the far end of the vpn or lan-local? |
| 20:01.37 | hooya | xingu: the IP is lan-local, the VPN device does NATing |
| 20:01.41 | iSteve | I'll just repeat my question there: Hi; anyone running VPOPMAIL under Debian/Etch? I've noticed it was removed from ftp-master because of RoQA; my question is, is somebody still maintaining the packages perhaps at his people.debian homepage? |
| 20:01.46 | iSteve | And yet again, thanks in advance for any reply |
| 20:01.55 | Draconicus | HOWDY. |
| 20:01.56 | Guerin | iSteve: why vpopmail? |
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| 20:02.03 | hooya | xingu: it's a pretty crappy device if you couldn't tell already ;) |
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| 20:02.04 | iSteve | Guerin: job requirement |
| 20:02.12 | Guerin | iSteve: you have my condolences. |
| 20:02.26 | xingu | hooya: hmm; gotta go anyway; --set-mss will probably bandaid the fault; another, dumber NIC type would be useful test data |
| 20:02.38 | hooya | xingu: thanks for your help. |
| 20:02.39 | geo-rge | iSteve: get source, build, maintain that installation |
| 20:02.41 | Ronin | iSteve: i am but i compilied it myself |
| 20:02.43 | PingFloyd | places or work, have a habit of picking crappy software |
| 20:03.13 | iSteve | Ronin: did you package it? I'd like to abuse you for the debian dir:) I'm not exactly fond of dh_make myself |
| 20:03.45 | Ronin | no i meant as im running it, im not geeky enough to package and maintain |
| 20:03.50 | iSteve | geo-rge: that's the obvious final solution, but I'd like to exhaust the steps before it (= trustworthy 3rd party) |
| 20:03.55 | geo-rge | iSteve: well debhelper folks aren't either... there are examples tho |
| 20:04.11 | MoDaX | iSteve: do you want to get a package? |
| 20:04.17 | iSteve | yea well I usually build the sources and then use ar and tar to create the package:) |
| 20:04.24 | Draconicus | Eyeyeyeyeyeee |
| 20:04.27 | Draconicus | If I try to open any external links in Firefox it gives a "Firefox is running but currently not responding" error, even though by all logic they should work. It's been doing this since I installed Debian a few days ago, and it's driving me bonkers! |
| 20:04.29 | iSteve | MoDaX: yea, I prefer to have it more or less clean:) |
| 20:04.30 | Guerin | iSteve: better to use dh_make, or even checkinstall |
| 20:04.41 | geo-rge | iSteve: are you using etch? |
| 20:04.44 | iSteve | geo-rge: yes |
| 20:04.45 | Draconicus | I would imagine that somebody knows what's up with my Firefox version. |
| 20:04.46 | MoDaX | iSteve: snapshot.debian.net previous version there |
| 20:04.57 | Draconicus | Etch. Runs fine. Same version as on my previous distro... |
| 20:04.58 | MoDaX | versions* |
| 20:05.13 | Guerin | Draconicus: delete your .mozilla/firefox dir |
| 20:05.16 | geo-rge | iSteve: note that etch, while available is not released and so not considered stable |
| 20:05.20 | Guerin | let it create a new one |
| 20:05.20 | iSteve | MoDaX: excellent point! |
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| 20:05.35 | iSteve | geo-rge: Thanks, but I'm using Debian for four years, I know my way around:) |
| 20:05.37 | Draconicus | Guerin: Are you crazy? :P |
| 20:05.38 | tuvwx | where is apt proxy settings documented? nothing in the manpages of apt, apt-get, or aptitude! |
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| 20:05.47 | geo-rge | iSteve: but this is for your work |
| 20:05.53 | iSteve | geo-rge: yea I know |
| 20:06.06 | geo-rge | that's the point I'm makind... |
| 20:06.09 | geo-rge | g |
| 20:06.22 | Guerin | Draconicus: no, that's normally the cause of firefox fuckups. |
| 20:06.29 | Draconicus | Guerin: I've come to the point where adding more bookmarks is just stupid (there's a billion already), so bookmarking current tabs is a bad idea... ehh... fine. |
| 20:06.31 | geo-rge | what was the last dist that had this thing |
| 20:06.41 | Draconicus | I'll sort my bookmarks first and bookmark current tabs, I guess. |
| 20:06.52 | Draconicus | Been ages since I used my bookmarks... I'm not used to it anymore. ._. |
| 20:06.53 | geo-rge | or better, what was the last dist you used that had it? |
| 20:06.57 | tuvwx | that's http proxy for apt, not apt-proxy |
| 20:07.13 | iSteve | geo-rge: It was removed quite recently actually, Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:32:04 |
| 20:07.20 | Guerin | tuvwx: http_proxy env variable |
| 20:07.23 | iSteve | geo-rge: so I figure it was in unstable, possibly in testing |
| 20:07.26 | geo-rge | so it's therefore in sarge |
| 20:07.34 | iSteve | Reason given is "RoQA, contrib, vpopmail is buggy and appears unmaintained" |
| 20:07.35 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 20:07.45 | Guerin | iSteve: basically, because it's utter shit |
| 20:07.58 | Guerin | iSteve: that would indicate it's out more or less permanently. |
| 20:08.02 | PingFloyd | Draconicus: you don't use bookmarks? |
| 20:08.06 | geo-rge | now having said that... you could try getting the source package of the sarge one and building that into a package on your etch |
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| 20:08.17 | iSteve | Guerin: could you comment on that verbosively? I'm not bashing you, I'd really like to know the technical arguments |
| 20:08.23 | iSteve | geo-rge: no offence, but you're stating the obvious:) |
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| 20:08.29 | Guerin | iSteve: does it still require qmail? |
| 20:08.45 | iSteve | Guerin: yea, it's deeply connected to qmail |
| 20:08.46 | geo-rge | iSteve: no offence, but why did you not try it then? |
| 20:08.53 | Guerin | iSteve: there we go. |
| 20:08.59 | Ronin | here we go again |
| 20:09.02 | iSteve | Guerin: guess what MTA am I to use:) |
| 20:09.14 | Ronin | iSteve: id bet a very good one called qmail? :) |
| 20:09.29 | jelly | Ronin: no such thing! |
| 20:09.32 | Guerin | iSteve: I hope they're paying you a lot. |
| 20:09.38 | Ronin | bull |
| 20:09.45 | iSteve | geo-rge: because it was not in sarge |
| 20:10.11 | geo-rge | iSteve: so it was added to etch and then removed from etch? |
| 20:10.15 | Guerin | Ronin: come on, just because you're a djb fanboi doesn't mean you can ignore it's dspam-tripling behaviour by default. |
| 20:10.17 | iSteve | geo-rge: etch or sid; I'm not sure |
| 20:10.29 | jelly | I wouldn't call any app which requires tampering with the source to make it remotely useful "good" |
| 20:10.34 | Ronin | Guerin: not a djb fanboi, far from it actually |
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| 20:10.56 | Guerin | Ronin: then you have no excuse for your qmail obsession. |
| 20:11.09 | iSteve | geo-rge: sid |
| 20:11.17 | Ronin | Guerin: once again bull |
| 20:11.18 | geo-rge | right, it would have been added to sid, "leaked" into etch due to lack of bugs... if it was removed again, it could have been because new bug reports surfaced |
| 20:11.20 | iSteve | Removed the following packages from unstable: [long list of vpopmail stuff] |
| 20:11.42 | geo-rge | Ronin/Guerin: stop infighting :P |
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| 20:12.00 | Ronin | :) |
| 20:12.02 | Guerin | infighting? |
| 20:12.06 | raj | hi all |
| 20:12.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:12.11 | Guerin | that would imply we're `in' |
| 20:12.19 | raj | how to setup reverse dns |
| 20:12.23 | HardDisk_WP | does Debian have a defrag for vfat partitions?? |
| 20:12.32 | HardDisk_WP | raj, ask ur provider |
| 20:12.39 | Guerin | raj: are you the authority for the ip? |
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| 20:12.43 | geo-rge | raj: do you own a block of IPs and have dns authority over them? |
| 20:12.51 | geo-rge | (if no, there is NO WAY) |
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| 20:13.03 | Supaplex | HardDisk_WP: that's what mkfs.ext3 is for ;) |
| 20:13.06 | xingu | hooya: actually looking at this driver, setting the mtu sets the hw rx mtu; there is quite possibly no hw tx mtu; so iff you are using TSO, quite possibly whole segments are handed to the tg3 for transmission, and quite possibly the hw will always use 1500-byte-or-greaer frames |
| 20:13.09 | jelly | geo-rge: there is, ask your provider ;-) |
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| 20:13.26 | HardDisk_WP | Supaplex, iPod doesnt support ext3 |
| 20:13.28 | geo-rge | jelly: he can't set it up himself tho |
| 20:13.33 | raj | using bind howto setup reverse dns |
| 20:13.40 | geo-rge | unless he has that authority |
| 20:13.43 | Guerin | raj: answer the question. |
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| 20:14.58 | geo-rge | raj: ok, so you can set it up yourself... but without authority over the IP block domain name, it won't work |
| 20:15.31 | geo-rge | what IP block do you own? |
| 20:15.40 | xingu | hooya: on the tx path there only seems to be a boolean for jumbo enable/disable and associated sizing for how big the jumbo frames are; I would definitely suggest a dumber NIC as a test case to check this vs what you're doing in userland. |
| 20:15.49 | Guerin | geo-rge: you have such faith. |
| 20:16.02 | bsdboy | Faith is false ;o |
| 20:16.19 | Guerin | bsdboy: unprovable. |
| 20:16.25 | geo-rge | Guerin: well he's not responding to the question... guess what's happening to my faith :) |
| 20:16.40 | Guerin | !gorgemichaelsmite geo-rge |
| 20:16.47 | Guerin | gEorgemichael |
| 20:17.09 | geo-rge | I'll still tell him some of the things he needs... but the truth is he needs to read "DNS and BIND" |
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| 20:18.04 | Guerin | mmm, udp is stateless, no? |
| 20:18.10 | bsdboy | Always assume someone is as stupid as a brick until otherwise proven.. Then when you're proven wrong it's always a pleasant suprise. |
| 20:18.20 | Guerin | that might explain why dns won't work through my NAT |
| 20:18.29 | jelly | udp itself is |
| 20:19.37 | jelly | But the firewall might pretend and pass through packets with same src:port dst:port tuples that it saw recently |
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| 20:20.16 | jelly | wow, >700 users? |
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| 20:20.49 | streuner_ | most of them are idlers ;-) |
| 20:21.43 | jelly | nevertheless, still is more than I've seen |
| 20:22.08 | streuner_ | we had more users here |
| 20:22.26 | blondie | before the silly people went to oftc? :P |
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| 20:22.59 | streuner_ | imagine, all people who using irc.debian.org going to OFTC... |
| 20:23.12 | jelly | the network might collapse |
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| 20:23.36 | blondie | huh? |
| 20:23.39 | jelly | no wait, I read that wrongly |
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| 20:24.52 | geo-rge | what happened to ld (or gcc -o someth.so stuff.o)? does it need a different order of arguments to find libs? |
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| 20:26.24 | geo-rge | there aren;t that many people on #debian there usually |
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| 20:27.15 | geo-rge | evidently not many people use irc.debian.org to get there |
| 20:27.17 | streuner_ | geo-rge: well, the really interesting thing is, the amount of people who joining (stays) here (almost) the same... |
| 20:27.32 | geo-rge | streuner_: right |
| 20:27.52 | geo-rge | I would have guessed they were using the CNAME |
| 20:28.42 | blondie | it never occurred to me that there might be an irc.debian.org till they announced moving |
| 20:29.09 | streuner_ | blondie: there are a lot of others as well |
| 20:29.12 | geo-rge | blondie: yeah, it used to point here :) |
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| 20:29.17 | jetscreamer | i went to oftc once |
| 20:29.25 | blondie | I know it did |
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| 20:29.58 | jetscreamer | jsut to bitch at the d-i ppl though |
| 20:31.28 | eldowan | I've had good luck on both freenode and oftc... |
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| 20:34.13 | piper69 | i need help with this please MySQL will only install if you have a non-numeric hostname that is resolvable via the /etc/hosts file. E.g. if the "hostname" command returns "myhostname" then there must be a line like "10.0.0.1 myhostname". |
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| 20:34.29 | streuner_ | Is there a clock app which show the different time in different countries? |
| 20:34.30 | blondie | piper69: what about it? |
| 20:34.39 | piper69 | should i change this in the /etc/hosts |
| 20:34.42 | pumpkin0 | pipeline: use "localhost" |
| 20:34.50 | eldowan | streuner_: in kde you can set the clock up to do that. |
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| 20:35.19 | eldowan | streuner_: I've got mine setup when I hover over it, it shows 2 other zones. |
| 20:35.23 | pumpkin0 | piper69: which name do you need ? |
| 20:35.26 | streuner_ | eldowan: i want a app. which shows the time in different towns, e.g. tokyo, LA or Berlin |
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| 20:35.49 | streuner_ | there is a GTK based one |
| 20:35.56 | garo | "aptitude remove" keeps configs, right ? |
| 20:36.02 | pumpkin0 | garo: yes |
| 20:36.04 | azeem | streuner_: "TZ=foo xclock"? |
| 20:36.12 | geo-rge | why would a shared library be stripped?? |
| 20:36.19 | azeem | geo-rge: why not? |
| 20:36.23 | azeem | it's policy |
| 20:36.27 | geo-rge | can't link to it? |
| 20:36.29 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.32 | azeem | eh, sure |
| 20:36.34 | geo-rge | no symbol table? |
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| 20:36.40 | azeem | indeed |
| 20:36.49 | azeem | so, reduced size |
| 20:36.54 | btiffin | I've just started writing a proposal for my town council regarding a migration to Debian GNU/Linux. 4,000 person town. Ontario, Canada. Any links I should be checking out? Keep in mind that I'll need to suppress my evangelistic view of Etch, so downside reports would be appreciated. |
| 20:36.56 | geo-rge | so it's policy to have libs that cannot be linked to? |
| 20:36.58 | azeem | geo-rge: why do you need a symbol table to link to it? |
| 20:37.11 | asg | btiffin: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:37.12 | streuner_ | kworldclock is a good one, but you have to push the mouse in order to see what time is it there |
| 20:37.40 | geo-rge | I'm not sure exactly... so if it doesn't need the symbols, then how does the link take place? |
| 20:37.47 | btiffin | asg; Thanks |
| 20:38.12 | piper69 | i have this line in my /etc/hosts |
| 20:38.15 | azeem | geo-rge: at runtime? |
| 20:38.20 | asg | btiffin: you might also want to look back on various news sites (linuxtoday.com, newsforge, etc.) for other cities that have proposed / done the same thing. |
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| 20:38.32 | geo-rge | at build time/link with ld not ld.so time |
| 20:38.37 | thc | streuner_: you could open multiple gdekslet clocks on your desktop and have each one set to a different time zone. |
| 20:38.40 | piper69 | pumpkin0: i am trying to install mysql-server |
| 20:38.54 | thc | s/gdekslet/gdesklet/ |
| 20:39.05 | azeem | geo-rge: the debugging symbols are stripped, not the function symbols the shared library provides |
| 20:39.07 | pumpkin0 | piper69: i got that one. Now tell me which hostname you have. |
| 20:39.29 | piper69 | pumpkin0: dell1 |
| 20:39.29 | geo-rge | azeem: ok, so it doesn't take everything |
| 20:39.38 | btiffin | asg; Yeah, I'll be doing the google thing quite a bit over the next day or two. Thanks for the advice. Didn't Munich go Sarge? |
| 20:39.45 | geo-rge | it's built with -g?? :) |
| 20:39.47 | garo | is there something like the following option "aptitude remove --but_keep_the_dependencies a_package and_a_other_package" ? |
| 20:40.02 | geo-rge | never mind... I don't neeed to know yet :) |
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| 20:40.06 | pumpkin0 | piper69: so add the line "127.0.0.1 dell1" to /etc/hosts. |
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| 20:40.25 | eldowan | streuner_: What about a little widget app like karamba or the like. You can configure it to make a small little box, and have each city you want ther, configured by a text file. Would that work to your liking? All you would have to do is capture the current time, and adjust for each entry. |
| 20:40.28 | jelly | garo: aptitude unmarkauto those-dependencies some-more-dependencies |
| 20:40.39 | piper69 | pumpkin0: ok done, now what shall i do to test if its working |
| 20:40.49 | pumpkin0 | piper69: ping dell1 |
| 20:40.51 | jelly | garo: then remove. |
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| 20:41.29 | garo | thanks |
| 20:41.32 | pumpkin0 | garo: (or use apt-get and f**k-up the aptitude-DB) |
| 20:41.47 | mute2 | h |
| 20:42.09 | jelly | pumpkin0: I think aptitude would still want to remove them next time it's run |
| 20:42.34 | piper69 | pumpkin0: that works thank you |
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| 20:46.39 | pmv | hrr |
| 20:46.57 | blondie | pardon? |
| 20:47.06 | abrotman | did you fart? |
| 20:47.15 | asg | no, do I smell? |
| 20:47.24 | blondie | NO |
| 20:47.25 | cydork | sorry it was me! |
| 20:47.30 | thc | !kingsleysmite abrotman |
| 20:47.30 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer abrotman: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.0268393495093449! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 20:47.37 | abrotman | thc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:47.41 | thc | yo. |
| 20:47.42 | abrotman | thc: where've you been hiding ? |
| 20:47.50 | thc | Mexico. |
| 20:48.11 | thc | Hey I found the best cheesesteak in Philly. A place called "Ishkabibbles". |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | good place i suppose |
| 20:48.19 | abrotman | thc: you came and didn't tell me ? |
| 20:48.21 | geo-rge | is it possible to determine the compiler that built a shared lib if you have the file? |
| 20:48.28 | thc | It wasn't a planned trip. |
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| 20:48.51 | thc | Have you been there? It's on South St. |
| 20:49.12 | PingFloyd | cheesesteak sounds good |
| 20:49.37 | PingFloyd | now I'm hungry |
| 20:49.54 | thug | how come debian doesnt have iptables installed by default ? |
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| 20:50.07 | rahul | thug: because most people don't need it |
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| 20:50.26 | Azar | by default is not allways nice.. |
| 20:50.29 | rahul | might as well ask why it doesn't have kde installed by default. |
| 20:50.35 | geo-rge | thug: a firewall machine should not be a general-use machine |
| 20:50.39 | thc | thug: most people have routers. iptables is for the cretins. |
| 20:50.40 | thug | rahul what about security then ? no firewall at all ? |
| 20:50.46 | rahul | thug: huh? |
| 20:50.52 | eldowan | thc: what about an iptable router? |
| 20:50.54 | rahul | who said you're not allowed to use iptables? |
| 20:51.05 | thc | eldowan: that would just be a "router", wouldn't it. |
| 20:51.06 | thug | rahul yeah who ? did i ? |
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| 20:51.07 | asg | thc: still useful for an extra layer of host based protection |
| 20:51.14 | geo-rge | thug: the firewall should not be the machine you use for stuff like playing doom3 |
| 20:51.16 | rahul | thug: so why are you complaining? install it. |
| 20:51.22 | eldowan | thc: I guess it would qualify as a cretin router? |
| 20:51.22 | thug | eldowan iptable router? never heard of it :) |
| 20:51.22 | Azar | thug: is all about _options_ who wants them grabs them |
| 20:51.32 | abrotman | thc: no .. but i've been to a few places down there for cheesesteaks |
| 20:51.42 | eldowan | thug: kind of like a routed coffee table. But just a little different. |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | thug: no active services by default |
| 20:51.57 | thug | geo-rge yeah sure i was just saying , alsmost all other os have iptables installed |
| 20:52.13 | rahul | thug: they also have KDE installed. |
| 20:52.14 | thug | abrotman thats the right answer then |
| 20:52.21 | PingFloyd | rahul: good point |
| 20:52.26 | thc | asg: what's up dude? |
| 20:52.31 | rahul | "just in case" |
| 20:52.37 | Azar | afterall it only takes one minute and three typed words: aptitude install iptables: voila now you have them |
| 20:52.39 | PingFloyd | that's one of the nice things about debian, it's unbiased except from the standpoint of free software and licensing |
| 20:52.41 | asg | thc: not much, you doing okay? |
| 20:52.56 | geo-rge | Heyyyy Dude... Don't get me down;;; Take a sad soung, and... |
| 20:53.14 | rahul | heh |
| 20:53.14 | thug | rahul i was just asking why aint installed already with the base system |
| 20:53.17 | thug | thats all |
| 20:53.17 | eldowan | make it better... |
| 20:53.18 | thc | asg: yeah man, i have another baby on the way. |
| 20:53.24 | Azar | mexico: tequilla, chile and frijoles |
| 20:53.25 | rahul | ge(o-r) |
| 20:53.26 | asg | thc: congratz |
| 20:53.43 | rahul | thug: because you don't need it to have a debian box. |
| 20:53.53 | rahul | thug: base is what is needed to get the rest of the package |
| 20:53.53 | rahul | s |
| 20:54.23 | rahul | you don't need to set up your machine as a packet filter to download and install packages :P |
| 20:54.26 | geo-rge | thug: and for rescue purposes (iptables isn't that) |
| 20:54.32 | thug | rahul yeah but see base in some other linux os base it does include iptables |
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| 20:54.36 | pmv_ | heya |
| 20:54.43 | PingFloyd | actually, one of the things I like about debian is that it doesn't load a bunch of crap that someone may not use, by default |
| 20:54.48 | rahul | thug: and they include KDE, too |
| 20:54.48 | Guerin | thug: that's because other distributions are *fucking* *stupid* |
| 20:55.08 | thug | Guerin prob. who knows :) |
| 20:55.08 | Guerin | like fedora, which when I last installed it, defaulted to a 4G install |
| 20:55.11 | PingFloyd | instead, it lets the user put on what they want |
| 20:55.14 | stoned | asg, ! |
| 20:55.16 | pmv_ | hehe |
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| 20:55.25 | Guerin | i've used all the major distros except suse |
| 20:55.29 | thug | Guerin really ? what version of fedora was that ? |
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| 20:55.37 | Guerin | thug: two, i think |
| 20:55.38 | PingFloyd | alot of other distro are bloated pigs too |
| 20:55.41 | thug | Guerin i used to run redhat until fedora came out ;) |
| 20:55.51 | thug | PingFloyd :) |
| 20:56.02 | geo-rge | so is debian... it has a LOT of packages |
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| 20:56.16 | asg | stoned: hiya |
| 20:56.28 | thug | Guerin why not suse ? |
| 20:56.30 | Guerin | asg: why do you fi from the pub? |
| 20:56.40 | asg | Guerin: I'm waiting for mrs. asg to get off work |
| 20:56.40 | Guerin | should you not be drinking beer and talking shit with your cow orkers? |
| 20:56.42 | stoned | asg, oh hey there, whats goin on |
| 20:56.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 20:56.56 | Guerin | that seems fair and equitable |
| 20:56.59 | asg | stoned: drinking, ircing |
| 20:57.02 | afrosheen | I love my cow orkers |
| 20:57.06 | thug | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 20:57.07 | rahul | why does he have people to ork cows? |
| 20:57.08 | thug | ? |
| 20:57.18 | rahul | thug: updatedb |
| 20:57.25 | Guerin | rahul: strange, but some PHBs pay them to do so |
| 20:57.26 | stoned | asg, fun stuff. I ordered a new system. Waiting for it to arrive. |
| 20:57.31 | geo-rge | people ork cows? |
| 20:57.31 | Guerin | ours is not to question why |
| 20:57.38 | stoned | ork? |
| 20:57.42 | asg | stoned: cool |
| 20:57.44 | geo-rge | mork. |
| 20:57.44 | rahul | ork ork ork |
| 20:57.44 | thug | rahul thanks |
| 20:57.55 | stoned | asg, I was hoping you'd ask me what I got |
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| 20:57.56 | afrosheen | swedish chef is in the house |
| 20:58.04 | joeamined | hi |
| 20:58.08 | afrosheen | here meany here meany here mork mork mork |
| 20:58.09 | stoned | asg, that is why I told you, cuz I felt like telling someone |
| 20:58.13 | geo-rge | Thelonious Mork |
| 20:58.14 | stoned | asg, now ask me |
| 20:58.15 | asg | stoned: I'm sure it's better than my P1 200 with 48mesg :) |
| 20:58.30 | thc | asg: gimme a shell. |
| 20:58.37 | stoned | thc, get in my system! |
| 20:58.40 | joeamined | i'm having a strange problem with a vfat partition on debian |
| 20:58.46 | thc | stoned: gimme a shell. |
| 20:58.53 | stoned | thc, I meant biological system :) |
| 20:58.53 | asg | thc: it doesn't have enough memory for any other users; besides, it's an OpenBSD box. |
| 20:59.01 | joeamined | it doesn't accept file names with two successive uppercase characters |
| 20:59.06 | stoned | nervous sytem to be exact. CNS |
| 20:59.08 | thc | asg: i was totally kidding. |
| 20:59.14 | asg | thc: :) |
| 20:59.19 | Guerin | joeamined: yeah, it does munted things to filenames |
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| 20:59.24 | stoned | thc, I'm not kidding. I want you, badly! |
| 20:59.26 | Guerin | joeamined: particularly casewise |
| 20:59.27 | joeamined | when i write "BD" for example, it changes it to "bd" |
| 20:59.32 | Guerin | yes |
| 20:59.38 | thug | shouldnt /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart restart syslog ? where the got dam syslog located ? |
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| 20:59.42 | geo-rge | stay away from me... btw, hiya |
| 20:59.47 | joeamined | guerin : and why ? there"s no solution ? |
| 20:59.50 | asg | thc: /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 20:59.54 | asg | bah |
| 20:59.59 | asg | thug: ^^^ |
| 21:00.00 | PingFloyd | joeamined: fat don't care about case |
| 21:00.02 | rahul | ge(o-r) |
| 21:00.07 | PingFloyd | I mean it's case insensitive |
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| 21:00.11 | Guerin | joeamined: dunno, i only use vfat on my camera's media |
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| 21:00.29 | Guerin | PingFloyd: sometimes it's relevant, though |
| 21:00.29 | thug | asg they added "d" i never fond it ;) |
| 21:00.34 | PingFloyd | Guerin: yeah |
| 21:00.53 | PingFloyd | Guerin: there seems to be some gotchas with some times |
| 21:00.53 | asg | thug: :) |
| 21:00.59 | PingFloyd | using it with Linux |
| 21:01.17 | Guerin | this is the prive you pay for using fucktarded DOS filesystems |
| 21:01.17 | PingFloyd | I avoid it like the plague these days though |
| 21:01.18 | joeamined | pingfloyd: yes debian notifies that it's case insensitive |
| 21:01.39 | joeamined | but how do you explain that there are some uppercase caracters and some lowercase ones ? |
| 21:01.47 | PingFloyd | only thing I remember, is there are some caveats |
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| 21:01.56 | PingFloyd | can't remember exactly what they were though |
| 21:02.16 | PingFloyd | been a long while |
| 21:02.43 | PingFloyd | for my crappy thc impaired memory |
| 21:03.02 | thug | how do i add a module to my kernel ? insmod module ? |
| 21:03.02 | geo-rge | why would ld refuse to find a shared lib that it's being pointed to using -L and -l |
| 21:03.16 | PingFloyd | thug: it's generally better to use modprobe |
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| 21:03.19 | Guerin | geo-rge: libinvisible.so ? |
| 21:03.30 | Guerin | never use insmod |
| 21:03.49 | thug | PingFloyd ok , but it should work like that too right ? |
| 21:03.52 | h3sp4wn | thug: modprobe |
| 21:03.54 | geo-rge | Guerin: actually libpq.so.3 and libpq.so.3.1 |
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| 21:03.55 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 21:03.55 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 21:04.08 | thug | ok |
| 21:04.09 | Guerin | geo-rge: maybe it wants you to mind your ps and qs |
| 21:04.09 | thug | thanks |
| 21:04.32 | PingFloyd | thug: the only time for insmod is in special situations |
| 21:04.35 | piper69 | is there is a Joomla apt |
| 21:04.38 | geo-rge | Guerin: what other info would you need |
| 21:04.43 | PingFloyd | none that I can think of :) |
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| 21:04.58 | Karamon | Howdy, I'm having trouble setting up a user correctly. I use #adduser --ingroup groupname username but when I make new files, the created group is 1000 (the new users user id) how can I fix this? |
| 21:05.00 | rvsjoen | is it possible to add dependencies to a kernel module that will be preserved when running depmod -a ( somewhere else then modules.dep ) |
| 21:05.09 | Guerin | geo-rge: i know as little as possible about shared object loading, so I'm unlikely to be of help here. |
| 21:05.11 | Xteven | hi, I have a very unusual question (not in the least to do with debian): it's about IEC-320-C13 and C14 connectors and couplers. Can anyone point to someone who at least knows what they are ? |
| 21:05.22 | FAHTAW | i downloaded firefox and i see firefox-bin, how do i execute it ? |
| 21:05.25 | geo-rge | Guerin: ok, thanks anyway |
| 21:05.40 | Karamon | Willing to give any relavent information for assistance.. |
| 21:05.56 | geo-rge | FAHTAW: with a cato9tails? |
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| 21:06.00 | Guerin | FAHTAW: follow the instructions on whatever site you downloaded it from, or use debian's packages. |
| 21:06.02 | Xteven | maybe there is some channel on freenode that deals with electrical stuff ? |
| 21:06.14 | FAHTAW | i dont think that debian has a firefox package |
| 21:06.16 | Guerin | Xteven: doubtful. |
| 21:06.24 | Guerin | !think |
| 21:06.24 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 21:06.26 | thc | FAHTAW: apt-cache search mozilla-firefox |
| 21:06.28 | Xteven | Guerin : :( |
| 21:06.30 | Guerin | FAHTAW: *bzzzzt* |
| 21:06.44 | geo-rge | Xteven: maybe you can get Abelson to let you play with his circuit tutor |
| 21:06.48 | rvsjoen | #electronics is usually crowdy |
| 21:07.11 | jelly | Xteven: a usenet newsgroup perhaps |
| 21:07.15 | Xteven | rvsjoen : thx, I'll give it a try |
| 21:07.23 | maddash | http://pastebin.ca/320625 <--- when I execute that script via `sh [script name]` , I get ": command not found \n line 13: syntax error: unexpected end of file"...I suspect this has something to do with my $PATH, but when I echo it out - both as su and user - it looks fine...any clues? |
| 21:07.23 | Xteven | jelly : yeah maybe :/ |
| 21:07.37 | Guerin | maddash: #bash |
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| 21:07.42 | concept10 | I just left the largest data centers ever. They must have had over 1000 servers |
| 21:07.56 | concept10 | maybe more than that |
| 21:08.02 | FAHTAW | ok |
| 21:08.05 | maddash | Guerin: que? |
| 21:08.09 | Guerin | maddash: #bash |
| 21:08.12 | FAHTAW | how do i exec any bin that i want to start? |
| 21:08.23 | jelly | Xteven: funny that you didn't find anything n google |
| 21:08.23 | maddash | Guerin: no comprendo...elucidate? |
| 21:08.23 | Guerin | FAHTAW: ./file.bin |
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| 21:08.35 | FAHTAW | thank you |
| 21:08.37 | pmv_ | hr .. any devels here have any experience with *initrd? |
| 21:08.42 | Guerin | maddash: it's a channel, dawg. On freenode. Which deals with bash and sh issues. |
| 21:08.51 | Xteven | jelly : I did, just not what I need |
| 21:08.57 | maddash | grr. |
| 21:09.00 | Xteven | I've been looking on google for the last week |
| 21:09.12 | Xteven | and I can't find a vendor that sells couplers for C13-C14 |
| 21:09.23 | Xteven | if they are even made at all |
| 21:09.42 | Xteven | I found this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=44399&doy=18m1&C=SEO&U=strat15 |
| 21:09.55 | Xteven | which couples 2 C13 to 1 C14 |
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| 21:10.08 | Xteven | I want almost that, except only 1 C13 to 1 C14 |
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| 21:10.20 | jelly | Xteven: hmm. I've seen extension cords, I suppose couplers could exist but I don't need'em thankfully |
| 21:10.47 | streuner_ | Guerin: mpg321 http://scfire-nyk0l-1.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048 |
| 21:11.11 | Xteven | jelly : they would be an ideal solution for me, if they existed |
| 21:11.22 | Xteven | I suppose I can work around the problem, but it wouldn't be very neat |
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| 21:12.26 | Guerin | streuner_: is it nasty german hard-house or something? |
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| 21:12.46 | streuner_ | Guerin: just listen |
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| 21:13.17 | streuner_ | Guerin: How long do you know me? Wanna insult me ? :-) |
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| 21:13.27 | rvsjoen | Xteven: what is it you need, just the plugs or an extension chord ? |
| 21:13.29 | Guerin | hehe |
| 21:13.32 | Guerin | you're german |
| 21:13.40 | Guerin | germans only listen to hardhouse and trance |
| 21:13.51 | PingFloyd | he's need the kind like on back of PC |
| 21:13.55 | Mordantly_Bright | has the MainFrame been killed by linux clusters, and grid computing? |
| 21:14.33 | PingFloyd | male and female |
| 21:14.33 | blazemonger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria |
| 21:14.35 | Mordantly_Bright | just wanted to know what you guys think about it. |
| 21:14.48 | streuner_ | Guerin: problem is, usually you've heard those songs 1000 times, so new songs brings more fun... |
| 21:14.55 | jelly | Xteven: wait, don't you need one C14 to one C14 or something? C13 to C14 = an extension cord, or plug them in (no need for a coupler) |
| 21:14.55 | thc | !kingsleysmite Mordantly_Bright |
| 21:14.55 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Mordantly_Bright: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.351406868352694! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 21:15.14 | Xteven | rvsjoen : I need both plugs, attached to eachother |
| 21:15.17 | blazemonger | I want to go to Fucking, Austria |
| 21:15.17 | Guerin | streuner_: the tune which is on now is good |
| 21:15.30 | Xteven | jelly : I need a C13 to C14 :) it's a very very short extension cord |
| 21:15.41 | streuner_ | Guerin: well, i've never heard that before :-) |
| 21:15.46 | Xteven | jelly : the idea is to mount the plug midway in a panel |
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| 21:15.59 | jelly | Xteven: ah! |
| 21:16.04 | Xteven | and then I can connect a powercord one waym and the other |
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| 21:16.59 | jelly | sounds like good money for an electrician that's gonna do that for you. ;-) |
| 21:17.14 | Xteven | jelly : I guess so :) |
| 21:17.28 | Xteven | maybe I can convince some company to produce them |
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| 21:18.37 | thug | should firewall log its activites to /var/log/firewall if i run " vi /etc/syslog.conf " and put inside " kern.debug;kern.info /var/log/firewall " ? |
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| 21:19.38 | thug | ? |
| 21:19.42 | thug | no one :) |
| 21:20.12 | HymnToLife | has anyone succeeded in compiling xchat 2.8 in Debian ? |
| 21:20.20 | thug | kernel should now log the activity to be firewall to /var/log/firewall |
| 21:20.25 | HymnToLife | it complains about GTK not being there for me :/ |
| 21:20.36 | h3sp4wn | thug: debug may log other stuff as well |
| 21:20.45 | thug | h3sp4wn ? |
| 21:20.46 | maddash | what's the opposite of "update-rc.d [file] start ...."? |
| 21:21.01 | thug | maddash downdate :) |
| 21:21.22 | streuner_ | maddash: update-rc.d -f foo remove? |
| 21:21.57 | maddash | streuner_ thanks. |
| 21:22.07 | rahul | update-rc.d file stop ... |
| 21:22.34 | rahul | if you manually start it, you want to make sure it's cleanly shut down when you change to runlevels where you don't want it |
| 21:22.49 | streuner_ | HymnToLife: install libgtk*-dev and pray :-) |
| 21:22.49 | h3sp4wn | thug: use iptables ULOG - all the above is doing it logging kernal events with info or debug level to that file |
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| 21:23.16 | thug | h3sp4wn ok i have a look for ULOG |
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| 21:24.15 | nvz | !ops McVelet n=sadas@212.156.220.191 onjoin |
| 21:24.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: nvz complains about: McVelet n=sadas@212.156.220.191 onjoin |
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| 21:24.43 | peterS | azeem for the win |
| 21:24.46 | pablo_ | hi, how do i clean all .debs downloaded with apt? |
| 21:24.49 | nvz | yay |
| 21:24.54 | peterS | pablo_: aptitude clean |
| 21:25.04 | nvz | it wasnt porn spam though by the looks of it. |
| 21:25.26 | streuner_ | pablo_: man apt-get |
| 21:25.32 | peterS | nvz: and thank goodness it wasn't spam porn |
| 21:25.34 | pablo_ | done |
| 21:25.46 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 21:25.53 | streuner_ | pablo_: you should read man apt-get in order to have fun with debian... |
| 21:25.53 | pablo_ | when i start gnome it tells me there was an error in xscreensaver |
| 21:26.10 | peterS | nvz: some pink fleshy substances belong in porn, some do not |
| 21:26.17 | sid | How can I see what wireless networks there are, ie if they're 802.11 a/b/g and how good the connectivity is. |
| 21:26.39 | x-- | anyone got a clue if it's possible to limit users from viewing other users processes? |
| 21:26.58 | HymnToLife | [22:22] <streuner_> HymnToLife: install libgtk*-dev and pray :-) <= it was there but it was gtk2.8 while xchat 2.8 needs gtk2.10 |
| 21:26.59 | x-- | it's more a linux matter rather than debian specific |
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| 21:27.14 | HymnToLife | so I installed 2.10 from experimental and hope it won't brek too badly :p |
| 21:27.18 | Gathond | x--: I know the grsecurity kernel patch has an option for that |
| 21:27.22 | x-- | maybe someone ran into it before? |
| 21:27.25 | x-- | umm |
| 21:28.16 | x-- | no easy patch? |
| 21:28.42 | pablo_ | how can i configure my laptop brightness? |
| 21:28.58 | azeem | x--: you're asking to revert standard Unix behaviour AFAICT |
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| 21:29.05 | azeem | that's usually no easy patch |
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| 21:30.16 | geo-rge | is gcc.info* covered by gfdl? if so... how do I get it? debian has a package for it? |
| 21:30.22 | pablo_ | in which package does it comes alsaconf? |
| 21:30.26 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there a distributed file system or caching/syncing system that will enable me to have local home directories on both Windows and Debian/Ubuntu synced to a Debian backend server? |
| 21:30.46 | geo-rge | pablo_: alsautils? |
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| 21:31.09 | pablo_ | geo-rge: ok |
| 21:31.11 | Gathond | x--: not particularly hard, its as these things go. If you are used to patching, configuring and compiling kernels its not hard |
| 21:31.20 | pablo_ | how can i manage the screen brightness? |
| 21:31.48 | geo-rge | pablo_: according to union rules, you have to hire a screen brightness manager! |
| 21:31.58 | Gathond | x--: applying the grsecurity thing, basically it just changes the ownership and permissions on /proc entries for the PID's |
| 21:32.29 | Guerin | and according to the Gender Equalities Act 1998, you have to hire a Brightness WoManager as well |
| 21:32.51 | Guerin | your TCO just tripled because you want to adjust your brightness |
| 21:33.00 | Guerin | wouldn't you rather just leave it as it is, comrade? |
| 21:33.12 | pablo_ | geo-rge: what? |
| 21:33.21 | nvz | well I guess I might as well try backing up my data while this thing is working.. I think my 120GB WD drive is going to die soon.. it has been timing out and resetting roughly once a week or so.. it doesnt happen too often.. but doing it at all scares me. |
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| 21:33.52 | nvz | I think the climate change where i have this computer has something to do with it.. the drives were probably below freezing point last night when it happened |
| 21:34.01 | PingFloyd | nvz: dma_timer_expiry error? |
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| 21:34.06 | Guerin | nvz: sue al gore for making the climate change! |
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| 21:34.44 | x-- | umm |
| 21:34.56 | x-- | i could apply grsec =/ |
| 21:35.11 | x-- | but i don't need all these features |
| 21:35.18 | mirabile | hi everyone, has anyone an idea how I could install Debian unstable on my shell account on a Debian stable box as UML or so, without root interaction? Because my "root" is sleeping or so, and I haven't seen him in a week. |
| 21:35.21 | nvz | PingFloyd: it was just a drive busy timeout last night, but it did disable DMA and send a reset to the ide controller which was successful.. then about 10 minutes later something else happened and I just shut it down cause I couldnt even run dmesg cause it went out to lunch and was hanging |
| 21:35.41 | Guerin | x--: grsec is probably not something you want unless you have a very strong grasp on kernel-level OS security. |
| 21:35.47 | Guerin | *very* strong |
| 21:35.53 | PingFloyd | nvz: that sounds similar to what a drive of mine does |
| 21:35.55 | nvz | PingFloyd: it works fine for like 10 days straight inbetween problems |
| 21:36.01 | x-- | yea, i guess i will leave it as is |
| 21:36.05 | Guerin | mirabile: you can make a chroot, sure |
| 21:36.11 | Guerin | mirabile: /msg dpkg chroot |
| 21:36.14 | x-- | there are no real users using the box anyway |
| 21:36.16 | mirabile | guerin: no |
| 21:36.19 | mirabile | I don't have sudo] |
| 21:36.19 | x-- | only tru php |
| 21:36.21 | PingFloyd | nvz: but it gets a dma_timer_expiry error, then all those other things start happenning that you described |
| 21:36.26 | mirabile | I only have got a user account |
| 21:36.31 | Guerin | mirabile: you don't need sudo to make a chroot in your homedir |
| 21:36.37 | mirabile | but to use it |
| 21:36.41 | Guerin | mirabile: you just need some disk space |
| 21:36.44 | Guerin | not at all |
| 21:36.48 | mirabile | heh? |
| 21:36.58 | mirabile | does the system call chroot(2) under linux not need root? |
| 21:37.00 | PingFloyd | nvz: in my case, it's triggered when I do anything the does alot of access like copy a huge file, or tar something big up on it |
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| 21:37.04 | nvz | PingFloyd: yeah well I got a seagate 160gb sitting in there doing nothing but spinning, so I have the capabilities to back it up and use the other drive if I wanted to |
| 21:37.22 | mirabile | disc space is not a problem, ~40G free and no quotas AFAIS |
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| 21:37.51 | Guerin | mirabile: you can construct your own / -lik structure in your ~ |
| 21:37.55 | nvz | PingFloyd: I was asleep when it happened last night.. I heard the drive motor click off and back on and it woke me up.. only thing that was running was IRC and in about 20 min the cronjobs for updatedb and whatnot were going to run |
| 21:37.59 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.03 | mirabile | guerin: but I probably can't chroot into it |
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| 21:38.16 | Guerin | the principle holds |
| 21:38.18 | mirabile | /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot change root directory to tmp/: Operation not permitted |
| 21:38.24 | PingFloyd | nvz: if it's clicking, that's usually a good indication it's on it's way out |
| 21:38.40 | Guerin | mirabile: right. |
| 21:38.42 | PingFloyd | nvz: I'm surprised you haven't lost data yet on it, with it clicking |
| 21:38.46 | mirabile | so it's no use |
| 21:38.48 | nvz | PingFloyd: Its just that click sound it makes on a reset.. all hds do that. |
| 21:38.49 | Guerin | mirabile: i'm talking about a term, not a command. |
| 21:38.54 | Guerin | well, it is some use |
| 21:39.03 | Guerin | it depends what you want to achieve |
| 21:39.08 | mirabile | guerin: ok, let me rephrase. I want to "chroot" into some unstable system |
| 21:39.11 | nvz | PingFloyd: the sound of the motor shutting off then rev'n back up again.. the kernel issued an ide reset |
| 21:39.13 | mirabile | to install and build packages |
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| 21:39.31 | mirabile | because I'm maintaining one package, may be 2-3 more in the future, without having GNU/Linux myself |
| 21:39.36 | PingFloyd | nvz: I see |
| 21:39.41 | nvz | PingFloyd: it doesnt make any strange sounds during operation just when it start timing out and it resets |
| 21:39.43 | pablo_ | !mplaer sarge |
| 21:39.48 | pablo_ | !mplayer sarge |
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| 21:40.02 | pablo_ | somebody knows how to install mplayer on sarge? |
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| 21:40.17 | mirabile | and I wouldn't want to use qemu because it's really slow |
| 21:40.25 | mirabile | so I suppose the solution would be UML |
| 21:40.31 | mirabile | because I just read about pbuilder-uml |
| 21:40.45 | nvz | PingFloyd: I have this machine with only half a case in a damp cold basement.. there is a gas furnace on the wall next to it.. but the pc itself still feels the cold out of the ground.. and it was below 20degF last night.. and its been rainy for the past 5 days before it started snowing |
| 21:40.49 | mirabile | it's just that the instructions assume I can actually install it, which I can't, because I don't have root on the "parent" box |
| 21:41.07 | Guerin | mirabile: what I'm saying is that it's possible to untar a bunch of debian packages under ~ and using library paths, run them |
| 21:41.12 | nvz | PingFloyd: I believe its environmental factors causing the problems the drive isnt that old and it works well for days on end |
| 21:41.19 | mirabile | guerin: using library paths, yes |
| 21:41.30 | Guerin | you'd need to direct them to use the libc and so on in ~/sid/lib/ etc |
| 21:41.32 | mirabile | but that's neither giving me the ability to apt-get install or dpkg -i within it |
| 21:41.37 | PingFloyd | nvz: yeah, all that moisture isn't good for it |
| 21:41.39 | mirabile | nor isolation from the parent |
| 21:41.44 | pablo_ | somebody knows how to install mplayer on sarge? |
| 21:42.01 | PingFloyd | nvz: it sounds also like the environment goes from hot to cold real fast |
| 21:42.02 | Guerin | mirabile: no, but it should enable you to build against those libraries |
| 21:42.03 | mirabile | pablo: asking n times isn't going to help you faster. I'd idle until someone answers. |
| 21:42.13 | Guerin | !tell pablo_ about mplayer |
| 21:42.16 | PingFloyd | nvz: really bad for it, because of all the interal condensation it can cause |
| 21:42.18 | mirabile | guerin: yes but that doesn't suffice |
| 21:42.24 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 21:42.25 | mutek | !help |
| 21:42.27 | PingFloyd | nvz: and extra stress |
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| 21:42.35 | PingFloyd | on mechanical things like HDs |
| 21:42.53 | Guerin | mirabile: i don't think uml can do it; that needs kernel-level stuff |
| 21:42.58 | pablo_ | mirabile: i am on sarge |
| 21:42.58 | mirabile | hm ok |
| 21:42.59 | mirabile | thanks |
| 21:43.17 | mirabile | I thought uml's kernel is a userland application |
| 21:43.24 | pablo_ | mirabile: will this work ftp://mononeurona.org/pub/mplayer/mplayer-install.sh.txt? |
| 21:43.29 | Guerin | mirabile: but the host kernel has to support it |
| 21:43.34 | mirabile | pablo: why the hell should _I_ know? |
| 21:43.38 | mirabile | guerin: ah okay |
| 21:43.39 | mutek | pablo_: download the sources, compile, install. |
| 21:43.40 | mirabile | thanks |
| 21:43.47 | mirabile | then probably no way for me |
| 21:43.49 | Guerin | pablo_: i told you already |
| 21:44.02 | mirabile | I'll just send my sysop an email then, I suppose |
| 21:44.02 | Guerin | pablo_: go to debian-multimedia.org or whatever it is |
| 21:44.18 | pmv | pablo_: it's on debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:44.19 | mirabile | mutek: mplayer has got a lot of dependencies ;) |
| 21:44.32 | pmv | pablo_: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 21:44.42 | Guerin | pablo_: he wants *sarge* |
| 21:44.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:44.46 | Guerin | pmv: |
| 21:44.48 | mutek | mirabile: I know, but it's not so bad, as you don't need most of them. |
| 21:44.51 | pmv | least it was when I got it |
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| 21:45.17 | mirabile | mutek: mhm |
| 21:45.27 | mirabile | but I'm happy my mplayer plays about everything I throw on it ;) |
| 21:45.29 | pmv | pablo_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/graphics/mplayer |
| 21:45.43 | pmv | it _is_ in testing |
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| 21:46.09 | sporky | i have compiled and installed kernel 2.6.8 on sarge ( with a bit of hassling with yiard - initrd ). the problem is that while it boots i can not see any output on the console. i have a dual head setup. kernel image that ships with sarge boots ok. i did emable frame buffer support and simmilar. any ideas where i should dig in ?? |
| 21:46.18 | PingFloyd | pmv: he's using sarge though |
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| 21:46.41 | pmv | *blink* |
| 21:47.05 | abrotman | pmv: sarge IS NOT testing |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | sporky: disable framebuffer :) |
| 21:47.39 | iSteve | he probably didn't notice sarge got released one and a half year ago |
| 21:47.44 | cydork | mplayer in testing when did that happen? no one tells me anything! :( |
| 21:48.05 | h3sp4wn | sporky: which framebuffer are you trying to use if you are using radeonfb or similar then the module must be in the initrd |
| 21:48.14 | pmv | hrm |
| 21:48.15 | pmv | apologies all around |
| 21:48.17 | pablo_ | well what do you recommend totem-xine or totem-gstream? |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | depends on your needs |
| 21:48.43 | pablo_ | abrotman: dvd |
| 21:48.55 | abrotman | pablo_: i think either can work with libdvdcss |
| 21:49.22 | pablo_ | abrotman: and to watch .mpg |
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| 21:50.04 | pmv | pablo_: any reason you don't want to get it from testing or debian-multimedia |
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| 21:50.11 | abrotman | gstreamer shuld be fine |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | pmv: stop already .. |
| 21:50.16 | pmv | ? |
| 21:50.33 | sporky | h3sp4wn: vesafb |
| 21:50.34 | PingFloyd | pmv: it's not a good idea to mix branches, unless you really know what you're doing |
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| 21:51.09 | h3sp4wn | sporky: compile in statically |
| 21:51.12 | h3sp4wn | ? |
| 21:51.19 | pmv | PingFloyd: I see |
| 21:51.33 | pmv | abrotman: I suppose |
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| 21:52.10 | sporky | h3sp4wn: CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y |
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| 21:52.27 | h3sp4wn | sporky: CONFIG_FB_VESA=y |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | stop shouting! |
| 21:52.52 | sporky | h3sp4wn: i see your point! |
| 21:53.10 | PingFloyd | sporky: what I've noticed when it comes to framebuffer setting in the kernel for my card, is that it won't work if certain ones are enabled at the same time |
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| 21:53.37 | abrotman | framebuffer is really a pain in the neck .. don't use it unless you really want to |
| 21:53.47 | PingFloyd | abrotman: so true |
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| 21:54.09 | PingFloyd | abrotman: it ended up taking me alot of tries with configuring to get it to work with my crappy card |
| 21:54.11 | mark__ | I am using Gnome, how to change to KDE? |
| 21:54.25 | sporky | PinkFloyd: is there any issues with vga and fb options in kernel config?? |
| 21:54.26 | h3sp4wn | as long as you have the module in the initramfs / initrd - or statically linked its not a problem |
| 21:54.46 | PingFloyd | sporky: not sure, there's some trial an error with customizing the kernel |
| 21:54.58 | sporky | abrotman: i agree with you |
| 21:55.00 | PingFloyd | sporky: there's alot of stuff that should hold true in theory, but hardware can be quirky |
| 21:55.15 | h3sp4wn | sporky: any reason you are building 2.6.8 still ? if you are doing to build a new kernel why not use a newer one ? |
| 21:55.19 | PingFloyd | sporky: check the docs in the src directory |
| 21:55.26 | PingFloyd | and check the help inside config |
| 21:55.40 | abrotman | PingFloyd: try using FB with a PPC macmini with a TV :) |
| 21:55.50 | PingFloyd | abrotman: no thanks :) |
| 21:55.57 | abrotman | mark__: install KDE .. use gdm to login to kde |
| 21:56.05 | abrotman | PingFloyd: it's been interesting though :) |
| 21:56.05 | PingFloyd | abrotman: my crappy matrox mystique 220 pissed me off enough |
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| 21:56.12 | sporky | PinkFloyd: i do have CONFIG_FB_VESA=y in my .config |
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| 21:56.18 | mikearthur | is there a package like linux-source but without debian patches? |
| 21:56.29 | abrotman | kernel.org ? |
| 21:56.40 | abrotman | mikearthur: you can get the orig.tar.gz i suppose |
| 21:56.43 | PingFloyd | sporky: some of those FB setting don't always interact well with each other with some hardware |
| 21:56.44 | mikearthur | yeh, got the orig |
| 21:56.50 | mikearthur | just wondering if there was anything in apt |
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| 21:57.17 | PingFloyd | sporky: so it will come down to determination, educated guesses, and trial and error on your part |
| 21:57.35 | h3sp4wn | you could get the the debian patch and apply it (in reverse) |
| 21:57.51 | PingFloyd | sporky: I would say, if the kernel-image works fine for you, don't make it any harder than need be |
| 21:58.05 | geo-rge | apt, is there anything in you? |
| 21:58.07 | PingFloyd | sporky: unless you're doing it for learning purposes |
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| 21:58.40 | sporky | PinkFloyd: your points holds true, but yeah i am just playing with stuff - its fun |
| 21:58.53 | mark__ | So does anyone know how to change from Gnome to KDE? |
| 21:59.09 | azeem | mark__: install kde, choose the kde session in your display manager |
| 21:59.38 | PingFloyd | sporky: yeah, building a kernel is good to know, but it often seems to be superfluous these days |
| 21:59.41 | mark__ | WHere is the display manager? |
| 21:59.47 | karsten | Tannenbaum's "Reliable Systems" LinuxConfAU presentation looks to have been awesome: http://lwn.net/Articles/217873/ |
| 22:00.04 | karsten | (Subscriber-only content ATM). |
| 22:00.04 | PingFloyd | sporky: with how memory is, and how so many things are loadable modules |
| 22:00.04 | azeem | mark__: it's the graphical thing you login at after startup |
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| 22:00.51 | mark__ | So you need to logout to do that? |
| 22:00.55 | sporky | PingFloyd: i think i have been a bit too enthused on enabling CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE=y ( some experimental dual-head console support ) |
| 22:00.58 | PingFloyd | sporky: thankfully the days of customizing kernels being a necessity, seem to be behind us for the most part, except in circumstances where sometimes required |
| 22:01.05 | valdyn | mark__: how do you start X? |
| 22:01.15 | mark__ | I think GDM |
| 22:01.26 | valdyn | mark__: alright, pick kde in gdm |
| 22:01.31 | abrotman | mikearthur: apt-get source <blah> .. should get an orig.tar.gz |
| 22:01.34 | PingFloyd | sporky: I wouldn't even know what to suggest for dual head support |
| 22:01.38 | mikearthur | ok, thanks |
| 22:01.51 | PingFloyd | sporky: I've got the poor man's computer with only 1 monitor |
| 22:01.52 | valdyn | mark__: prerequisite is that kde is installed, naturally |
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| 22:02.46 | mark__ | I think it is installed, when I upgrade there are all these KDE items upgrading |
| 22:03.11 | mark__ | Well let me logout and see what happens. |
| 22:03.25 | sporky | PingFloyd: well, thanks for sharing your opinion on this issue, i guess i will keep on digging in the docs |
| 22:03.36 | capiira | hmmm hi is the default chmod of tmp 777 ? |
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| 22:03.59 | PingFloyd | sporky: I think the key is to figure out exactly what's the minimal needed in that whole section and only enable it |
| 22:04.07 | azeem | capiira: no, 1777 |
| 22:04.21 | capiira | and chown root.root ? |
| 22:04.24 | mark__ | I dont think I have KDE installed |
| 22:04.25 | azeem | sure |
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| 22:04.30 | capiira | thx :) |
| 22:04.34 | tuxedup | what do I need to do to allow my self to connect to powersave deamon via dbus? Do I ned to add my self to a particular group? |
| 22:04.38 | mark__ | I did switch user and KDE wasnt a choice. |
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| 22:04.56 | mark__ | What command to install KDE? |
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| 22:05.01 | azeem | tuxedup: powerdev maybe |
| 22:05.06 | azeem | !install kde |
| 22:05.07 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:05.10 | sporky | PingFloyd: ok |
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| 22:05.26 | PingFloyd | sporky: but what gets me is that the kernel-image worked ok for you set up, and iirc, the default image has almost all the setting in that section enabled |
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| 22:06.09 | mark__ | what about testing? |
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| 22:06.25 | HymnToLife | same thing applies |
| 22:06.30 | PingFloyd | mark__: probably the same |
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| 22:06.37 | PingFloyd | mark__: I think it's the meta-package |
| 22:06.40 | tuxedup | azeem: I have added my sef to the powerdev group, but I have no idea what other users should be added to the group, which one would be dbus? MMessagebus? |
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| 22:07.07 | azeem | tuxedup: other uses who you'd like to use these power-manager features |
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| 22:07.55 | PingFloyd | tuxedup: whatever users need the access of that group |
| 22:08.35 | tuxedup | azeem: well I only have my self as a user, and I have added my self to the powedev group, bt I still get a message with kpowersave saying I am not permitted to access powerd via dbus |
| 22:08.50 | PingFloyd | I usually add as needed |
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| 22:08.51 | azeem | tuxedup: did you logout? |
| 22:09.00 | PingFloyd | just my GF and me on this computer |
| 22:09.03 | Pc_Dark | How do I make applications that appear on my desktop and aren't shell |
| 22:09.16 | Pc_Dark | Like firefox on it for example |
| 22:09.22 | tuxedup | azeem: nope, should I have for it to take effect? |
| 22:09.23 | azeem | Pc_Dark: what do you mean with "make"? |
| 22:09.26 | azeem | tuxedup: yes |
| 22:09.27 | Pc_Dark | Well |
| 22:09.32 | Pc_Dark | I don't know how to make dialog windows |
| 22:09.37 | Pc_Dark | My C++ apps are shell based |
| 22:09.41 | tuxedup | azeem: ok cheers, will try that now, thanks for the help :) |
| 22:09.42 | Pc_Dark | how do I make apps that I can click on |
| 22:09.48 | Pc_Dark | and graphical |
| 22:10.08 | PingFloyd | Pc_Dark: you mean have it added to your menu so you can launch it from there? |
| 22:10.08 | azeem | Pc_Dark: ask elsewhere, look into GTK and QT |
| 22:10.18 | pmv | Pc_Dark: you mean GUIs? |
| 22:10.23 | Pc_Dark | Yeah pmv |
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| 22:10.33 | Pc_Dark | Like on windows, you can only use VB6 to create them |
| 22:10.35 | karsten | Pc_Dark: w/ dialog. |
| 22:10.45 | karsten | Pc_Dark: ... in what context. |
| 22:10.45 | pmv | Pc_Dark: like azeem says, look into GTK and friends |
| 22:10.51 | PingFloyd | Pc_Dark: not only VB6 on there |
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| 22:11.38 | pmv | Pc_Dark: python + gtk might be a good place to start. C + gtk if you're comfy enough. |
| 22:11.39 | Pc_Dark | Kinda off topic but, can you create clients like XChat in C++ and have them appear where you can type, not like IRSSI which is shell based? |
| 22:11.59 | PingFloyd | Pc_Dark: that's the job of the toolkit |
| 22:12.16 | PingFloyd | Pc_Dark: take your pick of which one you want to develop for |
| 22:12.18 | pmv | Pc_Dark: yes |
| 22:12.26 | rahul | you can only use VB6 to make windows apps? |
| 22:12.31 | sid | I don't even understand the question. |
| 22:12.33 | pmv | rahul: :-) |
| 22:12.35 | Pc_Dark | Ugh |
| 22:12.36 | rahul | that's such a dumb statement. |
| 22:13.06 | pmv | haha |
| 22:13.24 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Yes. |
| 22:13.47 | PingFloyd | Isn't that like saying you can only use hypercard to make mac apps |
| 22:13.48 | pmv | :-p |
| 22:13.54 | rahul | PingFloyd: basically |
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| 22:14.14 | Guerin | it's like saying if you have wood, you're only able to make crates |
| 22:14.16 | pmv | hehe |
| 22:14.28 | Guerin | no boats, beds, tables, houses, bridges |
| 22:14.31 | Guerin | only crates! |
| 22:14.32 | rahul | !woodysmite Guerin |
| 22:14.34 | karsten | Guerin: Got wood? |
| 22:14.39 | Guerin | say no more! |
| 22:14.43 | capiira | hmm whats the name/command of the checkdisk tool for ext3 partitions? |
| 22:14.46 | pmv | :-)) |
| 22:14.57 | Gathond | capiira: same as for ext2 I think |
| 22:14.58 | pmv | capiira: fsck? |
| 22:14.58 | PingFloyd | capiira: fsck |
| 22:15.02 | karsten | capiira: fsck.ext3 |
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| 22:15.10 | capiira | flood :) |
| 22:15.11 | capiira | hehe |
| 22:15.12 | PingFloyd | all of the above :) |
| 22:15.14 | capiira | thx a lot |
| 22:15.24 | karsten | capiira: In general: fsck wraps itself around the appropriate utility for a given filesystem. |
| 22:15.25 | capiira | i was trying fchk |
| 22:15.31 | Guerin | PcDark: please don't message me. |
| 22:15.35 | karsten | capiira: !solaris |
| 22:15.37 | PcDark | :/ |
| 22:15.47 | karsten | capiira: ... which doesn't use that anyway. |
| 22:15.47 | Guerin | PcDark: if you want programming 101, i suggest you buy an O'Reilly book. |
| 22:16.02 | capiira | hehe thx |
| 22:17.21 | justin | heh, fchk is 'fuck' with 'u' bent over.. that's even worse than fsck |
| 22:17.50 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 22:17.52 | pmv | lol |
| 22:17.59 | h3sp4wn | !lol |
| 22:17.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 22:18.11 | karsten | justin: ... and pushed so hard it moved the 'c' section. |
| 22:18.12 | capiira | reboot |
| 22:18.15 | pmv | lol (with irony) |
| 22:18.41 | rahul | loll |
| 22:18.47 | PingFloyd | for me, it's habit from back when I used BBSes |
| 22:18.47 | thc | What is this "reboot" you speak of. |
| 22:19.12 | pmv | what is this aol of which you speak? :-) |
| 22:19.13 | rahul | justin: fsck is fuck with u folded like a pretzel |
| 22:19.33 | thc | pmv: 172.* |
| 22:19.35 | rahul | aolol |
| 22:19.49 | PingFloyd | pmv: where idiots that bent over and fucked for fake internet access |
| 22:19.51 | pmv | lolol |
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| 22:20.02 | PingFloyd | s/that/get/ |
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| 22:21.27 | terlmann | 690!! #*%^(!!!!!!!!! that's more than any other room I av been in! |
| 22:21.54 | thc | !kingsleysmite terlmann |
| 22:21.55 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer terlmann: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.932747810651687! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 22:22.04 | pmv | haha |
| 22:22.14 | azeem | thc: please don't use *smite factoids on newcomers |
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| 22:22.19 | pmv | talk about aol :-p |
| 22:22.23 | karsten | terlmann: 800+ isn't uncommon. And the "official" #debian channel (where the botrs and trolls go) is now on oftc. |
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| 22:22.38 | karsten | terlmann: ... which is to say: load is shared. |
| 22:22.38 | thc | I'm surprised that factoid is still there. |
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| 22:23.02 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 22:23.17 | pmv | unseensoul: I see you! |
| 22:24.16 | abrotman | karsten: we don't get trolls here ? |
| 22:24.16 | unseensoul | pmv, lol |
| 22:24.16 | abrotman | karsten: see ... |
| 22:24.16 | karsten | abrotman: Fewer than OFTC per the ops. |
| 22:24.18 | karsten | abrotman: ... and ironically, much of the clue has stayed here. |
| 22:24.19 | abrotman | maybe they're just less patient ... |
| 22:24.34 | thc | What happened to irc.debian.org anyway. |
| 22:24.36 | abrotman | DDs have no patience :) |
| 22:24.39 | karsten | abrotman: irc.debian.org => oftic. |
| 22:24.44 | abrotman | i konw that |
| 22:24.49 | Ronin | !tell thc about oftc |
| 22:25.08 | karsten | thc: It's a cname for irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:25.11 | Ronin | well that was a fairly useless factoid in this case |
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| 22:28.41 | Kuko | anyone know teh name of the kde cd ripping tool that comes with the meta package for kde |
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| 22:29.05 | thug | does anyone know what the qmailrocks channel ? |
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| 22:30.18 | pmv | trying.. to.. parse |
| 22:30.28 | cydork | thug: that channel does not exist! |
| 22:30.28 | kombi_ | anyone, is assp any good? |
| 22:31.19 | karsten | Kuko: K3B |
| 22:31.19 | thug | cydork it does, u used to talk to people from qmailrocks |
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| 22:31.19 | karsten | pmv: lexx is more! |
| 22:31.27 | thug | cydork the channel its not #qmailrocks its diff. no clue how |
| 22:31.31 | pmv | hehe |
| 22:31.46 | karsten | thug: /msg chanserv list *qmail* |
| 22:31.50 | thug | Topic for #qmr is: Official channel of www.qmailrocks.org |
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| 22:31.51 | thug | :) |
| 22:31.56 | thug | found it :) |
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| 22:32.04 | thug | cydork so it does :) |
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| 22:32.19 | Diamond | Hi |
| 22:32.26 | cydork | thug: :) |
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| 22:32.36 | Diamond | someone have expirience with postfix |
| 22:32.47 | Diamond | ? |
| 22:32.51 | Diamond | i'v got some error |
| 22:33.02 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:33.03 | Diamond | Jan 18 23:24:20 localhost postfix/smtpd[3133]: warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled |
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| 22:34.30 | karsten | Diamond: Why are you using NIS? |
| 22:34.42 | karsten | Diamond: ... and do you even know what it is? |
| 22:34.50 | Ph3NoMeN0 | hi guys I've an issue with the ftp server...anyone can help me? |
| 22:34.59 | karsten | !tell Ph3NoMeN0 about ask |
| 22:35.03 | karsten | !tell Ph3NoMeN0 about smart questions |
| 22:35.12 | kombi_ | Simple Network Information Service, turn that thing off! |
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| 22:36.17 | Ph3NoMeN0 | karsten: ??? |
| 22:36.27 | kombi_ | fighting spam we know sa, dcc, razor, pyzor, the works. What else is good? |
| 22:36.35 | blondie | !ftp |
| 22:36.36 | dpkg | hmm... ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 22:36.39 | karsten | kombi_: guns. |
| 22:36.45 | karsten | kombi_: Lots of guns. </matrix> |
| 22:36.55 | kombi_ | an army even..;) |
| 22:36.56 | Ph3NoMeN0 | I know what ftp is.. |
| 22:36.57 | blondie | noo |
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| 22:37.06 | blondie | nuke it from orbit... it's the only way to be sure ;) |
| 22:37.11 | karsten | kombi_: exim-sa. greymilter / greylisting. SMTP-time reject. |
| 22:37.30 | kombi_ | you're into exim? |
| 22:37.31 | blondie | Ph3NoMeN0: and how insecure it is? |
| 22:37.31 | Ph3NoMeN0 | I think I have a sudoers list issue and so I can't log in via ftp with a particular account |
| 22:37.49 | kombi_ | what about assp? |
| 22:37.52 | karsten | kombi_: ... also whitelisting of known good senders / known good servers. |
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| 22:37.58 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: Orthogonal. |
| 22:38.17 | Ph3NoMeN0 | ma che cazzo dici karsten??? sei incomprensibile |
| 22:38.18 | kombi_ | karsten: makes sense, difficult with many users though.. |
| 22:38.45 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: please write in english |
| 22:38.46 | karsten | !orthogonal |
| 22:38.46 | dpkg | orthogonal is probably a language which is mainly used by very old Suaheli or programmers which have drunk too much coffee and/or 99 bottles of beer without having a toilet in range, or technical term for unrelated / uncorrolated, meaning that issues A and B have nothing to do with one another. |
| 22:38.52 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: and try to be more specific |
| 22:38.52 | Ph3NoMeN0 | karsten ur answer are cryptic, man if u want to be usefull u'r welcome |
| 22:38.53 | g00se | Had this in my inittab for some reason, although i didn't put it there and am wondering how it got there: |
| 22:38.55 | g00se | 8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot b/chroots/sid-root/sbin/getty 38400 tty8 |
| 22:39.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:39.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:39.10 | Ph3NoMeN0 | goose this is my problem: |
| 22:39.19 | RvGaTe | Will virtualbox be included in Etch/Sid one day? or is it already? |
| 22:39.20 | pmv | hehe |
| 22:39.23 | stoned | !ne1 |
| 22:39.23 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 22:39.28 | karsten | g00se: It's a getty on VC 8. Ever mess with adding virtual consoles? |
| 22:39.29 | azeem | RvGaTe: eh, not in etch, obviously |
| 22:39.29 | abrotman | Diamond: that's a warning .. nto an error |
| 22:39.31 | Ph3NoMeN0 | I set up a user account with useradd command |
| 22:39.47 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: (rather use adduser) |
| 22:39.47 | Ph3NoMeN0 | but this account can't log via ftp |
| 22:39.51 | abrotman | !it |
| 22:39.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 22:40.03 | RvGaTe | azeem, how is that obvious ? |
| 22:40.05 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: and the other user accounts can? |
| 22:40.06 | stoned | haha, thats clever.. anyone ne1. Dumb, but still clever. |
| 22:40.09 | g00se | karsten: no but i did add a cron job that could have caused that |
| 22:40.09 | azeem | RvGaTe: etch is frozen |
| 22:40.10 | karsten | g00se: Simply remove the entry, and 'init Q' |
| 22:40.12 | Ph3NoMeN0 | yes |
| 22:40.17 | karsten | g00se: Um. Unlikely. |
| 22:40.25 | kombi_ | abrotman: he should get rid of NIS anyway..;) |
| 22:40.25 | Ph3NoMeN0 | the default useraccount can do it |
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| 22:40.45 | RvGaTe | azeem, time to move on i guess :P |
| 22:40.46 | Ph3NoMeN0 | it's a particular linux distro: xebian |
| 22:40.46 | g00se | karsten: i did remove the entry. It was causing this problem |
| 22:40.48 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: what shell does the new account have? |
| 22:40.50 | karsten | stoned: lay off the weed, man. |
| 22:40.53 | g00se | Jan 18 08:43:02 moodle init: Id "8" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 22:41.34 | abrotman | Ph3NoMeN0: what is xebian ? |
| 22:41.38 | g00se | karsten: oh - could it have got there via VNC? |
| 22:41.39 | karsten | Diamond: Not following your responses, but if you're not using NIS (if you're not using NFS, automounts, and/or the NIS directory lookup services for user authentication) you should disable whatever's using it in postfix. |
| 22:41.47 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 22:41.48 | stoned | abrotman, xebian is an xbox only debian distro |
| 22:41.51 | abrotman | Ph3NoMeN0: ask them .. not us |
| 22:42.00 | stoned | !xebian |
| 22:42.00 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 22:42.03 | karsten | g00se: Might not have been a valid line. Regardless, removing that inittab entry should 1) be harmless and 2) solve the problem. |
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| 22:42.16 | RvGaTe | azeem, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads hurray. they added a .deb |
| 22:42.16 | karsten | !not debian |
| 22:42.17 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:42.18 | kombi_ | karsten: my lines since '68.. |
| 22:42.20 | stoned | or debian based distro* |
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| 22:42.33 | karsten | kombi_: ?? |
| 22:42.46 | karsten | kombi_: Ah. Got it. |
| 22:42.47 | Ph3NoMeN0 | xebian is debian on XBOX |
| 22:42.52 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: No it's not. |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | Ph3NoMeN0: ask them .. not us ... |
| 22:43.00 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: It's xebian on XBox. |
| 22:43.00 | kombi_ | karsten: ;) |
| 22:43.09 | karsten | kombi_: Werd. |
| 22:43.13 | Ph3NoMeN0 | as far as I know it's |
| 22:43.27 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: Don't make us kick you.... |
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| 22:43.37 | stoned | It is based on debian, but it isn't debian. If it was debian, it would be called debian. Its called Xebian, tha means its NOT debian. |
| 22:43.39 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: ... "not" is the word you're looking for. |
| 22:43.42 | stoned | That isn't hard to understand is it? |
| 22:43.53 | Ph3NoMeN0 | karsten u irritate me |
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| 22:44.07 | stoned | is there a #xebian |
| 22:44.07 | stoned | ? |
| 22:44.10 | g00se | karsten: Yes. It's still turning up in syslog though. I suppose i need to init again? telinit? |
| 22:44.11 | stoned | try it Ph3NoMeN0 |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | not on this server |
| 22:44.22 | stoned | ah |
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| 22:44.58 | Ph3NoMeN0 | no #xebian channel :( |
| 22:45.04 | abrotman | and oyu're not running Debian |
| 22:45.07 | abrotman | try ##linux |
| 22:45.09 | dimir | !nickometer Ph3NoMeN0 |
| 22:45.09 | stoned | yeh, he just said its not on this network |
| 22:45.11 | dpkg | 'Ph3NoMeN0' is 44.000% lame, dimir |
| 22:45.14 | dimir | \o/ |
| 22:45.17 | stoned | lol |
| 22:45.24 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.24 | Ph3NoMeN0 | all of us start laming :) |
| 22:45.25 | stoned | / \ |
| 22:45.27 | stoned | argh! |
| 22:45.30 | g00se | karsten: you see i'm sshing in and don't want to get locked out |
| 22:45.36 | dimir | ;E |
| 22:45.45 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: which ftp daemon are you using? |
| 22:45.46 | dimir | lol |
| 22:45.48 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.52 | dimir | /\ |
| 22:45.52 | Ph3NoMeN0 | proftpd |
| 22:45.54 | dimir | Damn it! |
| 22:45.57 | smimp | RvGaTe: any idea how the speed compares to vmware/qemu? |
| 22:46.06 | karsten | Ph3NoMeN0: Worse: you're irritating me, and the channel. This isn't an argument you're going to win. And if you're looking for help in the future (on Debian) you're going to have a handicap. Capiche? |
| 22:46.08 | abrotman | Ph3NoMeN0: GO TO ##linux |
| 22:46.12 | RvGaTe | smimp, no idea, just trying it out |
| 22:46.17 | azeem | abrotman: don't shout |
| 22:46.18 | smimp | RvGaTe: let me know :) |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | azeem: remove the guy? |
| 22:46.30 | azeem | ehn, no |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | just let him continue? |
| 22:46.41 | azeem | please tell me how he should install "debian" on his hardware? |
| 22:46.46 | RvGaTe | smimp, sure will, altho i haven't tried vmware or qemu |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | he can't |
| 22:46.49 | azeem | so. |
| 22:46.57 | abrotman | so ... it's not a #debian issue |
| 22:47.05 | azeem | installing the next best thing surely doesn't warrant beating him down |
| 22:47.10 | Ph3NoMeN0 | I'm just trying to fix the problem :) but if this is the way some of you interact with new linux approching users... |
| 22:47.13 | azeem | abrotman: sure it is |
| 22:47.17 | Ph3NoMeN0 | well thank so much |
| 22:47.17 | abrotman | it's not Debian |
| 22:47.20 | azeem | you guys are free to /ignore him |
| 22:47.26 | abrotman | you didn't help him either ... |
| 22:47.41 | Ph3NoMeN0 | karstern ur in my ignore list right now.. |
| 22:47.41 | smimp | RvGaTe: maybe i'll let you know :) |
| 22:47.45 | azeem | at least I tried to get further information |
| 22:48.05 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: maybe ask in #debian-it |
| 22:48.13 | abrotman | and where does it stop? we get to support ubuntu and kanotix and god knows what else ? |
| 22:48.18 | Ph3NoMeN0 | thnx azeem I'll try :) |
| 22:48.30 | kombi_ | Ph3NoMeN0: don't overdry, everyone went through your phase, just don't expect to get all the help from this channel |
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| 22:48.46 | azeem | abrotman: if they're running on hardware Debian fails to support, why not? |
| 22:48.50 | azeem | dunno, not my call |
| 22:48.56 | stoned | Xebian is not a stand-alone, independent Linux distribution. Rather, it is an "xboxified" configuration built on the top of a standard Debian installation. When you're using Xebian, what you're really actually using is Debian the Xebian author has just preconfigured and tweaked a standard Debian installation so that it works nicely on your Xbox. |
| 22:48.58 | Ph3NoMeN0 | I know..but there's always a way to act :) |
| 22:49.00 | abrotman | sure it is .. it's Offtopic .. |
| 22:49.05 | stoned | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#What_is_Xebian.3F |
| 22:49.13 | karsten | azeem: !@#$%^&*() painful remembering syntax and typing it through lag... |
| 22:49.19 | Ph3NoMeN0 | good point stoned |
| 22:49.20 | stoned | I agree with abrotman |
| 22:49.21 | abrotman | there's even a link on that page that denotes the difference between xebian and debian |
| 22:49.35 | stoned | I also don't think this is a #debian related issue |
| 22:49.37 | Ph3NoMeN0 | xebian is debian |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 22:49.49 | dimir | So, what's the question? |
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| 22:50.02 | dimir | 2 lazy 2 scroll |
| 22:50.04 | dimir | :-P |
| 22:50.06 | Ph3NoMeN0 | it's written in the xebian disclaimer... |
| 22:50.20 | dimir | question? |
| 22:50.30 | azeem | Ph3NoMeN0: the people in here are experts in telling what is Debian and what is not |
| 22:50.35 | azeem | don't argue with them |
| 22:50.46 | centrx | that's nonsense |
| 22:50.52 | pmv | a rose by any other name .. |
| 22:50.58 | abrotman | it's not a rose .. |
| 22:51.05 | pmv | :-) |
| 22:51.16 | abrotman | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#Xebian_versus_a_standard_Debian_installation |
| 22:51.20 | blondie | xebian is closer to debian than ubuntu/knoppix |
| 22:51.22 | centrx | more time and text lines have been spent arguing over this than answering a question |
| 22:51.32 | Ph3NoMeN0 | so please let xebian author know that he's simply making a mistake in writing it :) |
| 22:51.36 | pmv | aw gads |
| 22:51.42 | stoned | Ph3NoMeN0, trust me mate. It allowes you to use debian, but it isn't debian. It is Xebian. It is not a standalone linux distribution. It is configured for Xbox specifically. |
| 22:51.59 | abrotman | centrx: you didn't answer it either ... |
| 22:51.59 | rhys | apt-file update just hangs there...does it nomrall take a very very long time? |
| 22:52.00 | karsten | azeem: He's not running a supported platform, is using a variant distro to attempt same, there's an attitude and language problem, and to top it all, it's likely nobody here _can_ help him. I'd say that on a balance of discretionary factors, that makes it OT. |
| 22:52.03 | stoned | Ph3NoMeN0, xebian is not backed by debian in anyway. For xebian suport, please contact the xebian team. |
| 22:52.04 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 22:52.04 | blondie | "An HDD-based Xebian installation is a standard x86 Debian system. The directory structure is the same, the packages are the same, the binaries are the same, the configuration files are the same, the package repositories are the same." |
| 22:52.16 | dimir | wow |
| 22:52.19 | centrx | if the channel needs to be reserved for Debian-specific questions, whatever that means, then arguing over what is and is not Debian in order to prevent discussing non-Debian matters is self-contradictory |
| 22:52.22 | dimir | strict rules! |
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| 22:52.42 | karsten | azeem: No excuse for rudeness (yo! abrotman), but certainly merits telling him to go elsewhere. |
| 22:52.47 | kombi_ | we cross that bridge if and when we come to it |
| 22:52.49 | azeem | karsten: the changes seem to be "different bootloader, different kernel, some custom installation system" |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | i did politely! |
| 22:52.52 | abrotman | the first time! |
| 22:52.56 | karsten | centrx: There is an OT and an ops channel. |
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| 22:53.04 | centrx | abrotman I didn't see the question, all I saw was more arguing over whether a derivative of Debian could be a proper topic of discussion |
| 22:53.09 | azeem | abrotman: just /ignore people instead of saying it twice |
| 22:53.09 | abrotman | it's not |
| 22:53.16 | centrx | karsten where |
| 22:53.19 | kombi_ | let's start an editor flame war! |
| 22:53.20 | abrotman | azeem: so you said :) |
| 22:53.24 | pmv | who needs tv when you've got this? :-) |
| 22:53.33 | rhys | azeem if you didnt notice the normall debian installer sucks |
| 22:53.36 | karsten | azeem: ... plus whatever's specific to the distro. It's not pulling from Debian sources directly, and you'd have to have a knowledge of deltas to know that. |
| 22:53.37 | stoned | Ph3NoMeN0, look, if someone in here is familiar with Xebian, they will help you out. You might get lucky. So far it is obvious, no one is and no one here is willing to support it. You're fighting a losigng battle mate. |
| 22:53.37 | blondie | I would say that xebian is debian. |
| 22:53.39 | kombi_ | emacs! |
| 22:53.42 | karsten | centrx: /msg chanserv list *pattern* |
| 22:53.52 | dimir | Ph3NoMeN0: are all of your users in 'files' (as for nsswitch). |
| 22:53.54 | azeem | I mean, I'm totally against people from some properly supported or even commercial Debian-derived distro freeloading support here |
| 22:53.55 | dimir | ? |
| 22:54.04 | rhys | whatis Xebian? |
| 22:54.10 | dimir | !xebian |
| 22:54.11 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 22:54.13 | azeem | but this is pretty much Debian with a custom kernel because Debian failed to support the hardware |
| 22:54.15 | pmv | rhys: don't start :-))) |
| 22:54.20 | dimir | :-D |
| 22:54.33 | blondie | karsten: it does use debian sources directly |
| 22:54.49 | PingFloyd | some of you need a vacation |
| 22:54.51 | karsten | blondie: ... OK. Still: I know that how? And for Joe's Random Debian Variant? |
| 22:54.52 | rhys | karsten, this channel is full of some very talented but misguided people |
| 22:55.01 | karsten | rhys: I resemble that remark. |
| 22:55.02 | PingFloyd | :) |
| 22:55.03 | Mordantly_Bright | dpkg needs a new script, |
| 22:55.07 | blondie | karsten: read the webpage? |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | it says to go #xbox-linux in OFTC.net .... |
| 22:55.19 | abrotman | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | or that |
| 22:55.21 | Ph3NoMeN0 | what I made..just a question :D |
| 22:55.37 | stoned | topic change! |
| 22:55.38 | centrx | karsten I don't see any such channel |
| 22:55.39 | stoned | debian sucks! |
| 22:55.39 | kombi_ | see..? |
| 22:55.41 | azeem | because those people are surely better in debugging proftpd problems than the people in here |
| 22:55.49 | centrx | karsten if it's #debian_ there is no conversation in there whatsoever |
| 22:55.50 | kombi_ | you better be.. |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | maybe someone should create a #debian-derivatives ... |
| 22:56.21 | rhys | :-< this is why i ddidnt come back in here much. there is more arguing in #debian about what is debian, what isnt debian, exactly what you support, and who you want to help and why commerical things are the devil, than i ever see in ##slackware or #zenwalk... |
| 22:56.26 | abrotman | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian#Contacts |
| 22:56.31 | stoned | actually, if its just proftpd why can't we try to troubleshoot it with him? |
| 22:56.32 | Mordantly_Bright | abrotman: thats called ubuntu lol |
| 22:56.34 | karsten | blondie: I'd say the proper route is for the dev to get his mods incorporated into debian proper. |
| 22:56.49 | abrotman | karsten: i'm sure there are legal reasons that can't be done |
| 22:56.54 | rhys | karsten, try telling that to debian about firefox. cant be done |
| 22:57.08 | centrx | stoned because he has to pretend he runs Debian instead of a slight Debian mod |
| 22:57.21 | Mordantly_Bright | [thinks the last thing debian needs is another arch] |
| 22:57.32 | kombi_ | what do you guys use for root kit detection? (to change the subject..) |
| 22:57.33 | azeem | Mordantly_Bright: xbox is i376 |
| 22:57.34 | stoned | debian needs to run on my microwave oven |
| 22:57.37 | azeem | eh, i386 |
| 22:57.40 | PingFloyd | rhys: Debian tends to be a controversial distro :) |
| 22:57.51 | rhys | legal reasons. legal reasons. the whole point of linux is choice. and what does the -LINUX/GNU- community do? end up like a bunch of squabbling 5 year olds. |
| 22:57.55 | kombi_ | stoned: you mean it's not already on there? |
| 22:58.05 | stoned | kombi_, no |
| 22:58.06 | stoned | lol |
| 22:58.07 | rhys | this arch or that arch, do it the DEBIAN WAY! |
| 22:58.08 | Mordantly_Bright | [agrees with rhys] |
| 22:58.10 | abrotman | rhys: DMCA or whatever crap that is .. could lead to legal trouble |
| 22:58.24 | rhys | abrotman, DMCA? |
| 22:58.26 | pmv | PingFloyd: people who associate with it tend to have controversial views ;-) |
| 22:58.33 | h3sp4wn | Not with the alternative bootloader |
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| 22:59.07 | abrotman | rhys: the evil thing |
| 22:59.13 | rhys | DRM? |
| 22:59.15 | karsten | rhys: ?? |
| 22:59.19 | abrotman | !dcma |
| 22:59.19 | dpkg | somebody said dcma was Digitally Munted Complete Assholes |
| 22:59.23 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 22:59.24 | abrotman | i give up |
| 22:59.27 | rhys | lol |
| 22:59.38 | karsten | rhys: ... Um. Then yuor point is that it's a seperate thing for $FOO reasons. |
| 22:59.39 | vulture | digital millenium copyright act |
| 22:59.42 | pmv | :-p |
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| 23:00.20 | rhys | dmca is the devil, i wont argue that. |
| 23:00.31 | stoned | dude, don't give the devil a bad name |
| 23:01.28 | rhys | thing is, im used to slackware. zenwalk actually. but 2.6 slackware kinda systems. if i can help someone, slack, zen, vector, and i think frugals like my system. simply things that are used across the entire Linux GNU community. |
| 23:01.31 | jjazz | How is running GNU on an xbox a DMCA violation? |
| 23:01.50 | abrotman | jjazz: the method of getting it on there .. IIRC |
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| 23:02.00 | abrotman | jjazz: though i'm no expert .. ask blondie |
| 23:02.00 | stoned | developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers |
| 23:02.00 | kombi_ | YMCA! |
| 23:02.06 | rhys | ill tell them if they have a problem with slack, that zen fixes that for me, and why i run zen instead of slack... but why not help? |
| 23:02.07 | jjazz | abrotman: Interesting. |
| 23:02.19 | kombi_ | stoned: I see you doing the jumping also ;) |
| 23:02.19 | azeem | rhys: everybody has their own preference |
| 23:02.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:02.42 | eldowan | stoned: someone bad talking paganini? |
| 23:02.51 | stoned | not on my watch! |
| 23:02.52 | rhys | azeem, exactly. so why attack them and become departmentilized elitist assholes because they use a different installer? |
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| 23:03.20 | azeem | rhys: uhm, now you're the asshole here, calling them names |
| 23:03.25 | pmv | kombi_: :-)) |
| 23:03.37 | abrotman | karsten: so much for that troll count |
| 23:03.44 | stoned | lol |
| 23:03.47 | azeem | rhys: plus, it wasn't immediately clear how big the difference between debian and xebian is |
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| 23:04.36 | rhys | azeem, i understand that. theres things in vector that are special to just vector, and i couldnt tell you what they do. if its too different, then its different. |
| 23:05.02 | rhys | but otherwise, isnt enough bs made on "legal matters" or a different "social contract" ? |
| 23:05.04 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 23:05.15 | azeem | rhys: legal matters? |
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| 23:05.23 | stoned | umm. guys, I need #debian support |
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| 23:05.30 | karsten | stoned: OT! |
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| 23:05.36 | stoned | IM SORRY! |
| 23:05.37 | stoned | lol |
| 23:05.40 | eldowan | stoned: Dont make me take your stick back!! |
| 23:05.55 | azeem | rhys: this is rather about subtle differences between Debian derived distribution, which makes it hard to support those if you don't know what they are |
| 23:06.01 | Mordantly_Bright | dang are the newbs taking the day off or something? |
| 23:06.45 | rhys | azeem, if that means knoppix+ etc, i understand. but what was the question about anyway? |
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| 23:06.46 | azeem | proftpd |
| 23:06.48 | PingFloyd | Mordantly_Bright: they got scared off :) |
| 23:07.02 | pmv | brillant :-0 |
| 23:07.10 | Mordantly_Bright | rofl I thought maybe they got tired and did a google search! |
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| 23:07.40 | PingFloyd | Mordantly_Bright: some of them discovered google from #debian too |
| 23:07.44 | stoned | Mordantly_Bright, how can you be ... bright plus mordant.. thats a dangerous combination. asshole + genius. |
| 23:07.45 | stoned | :) |
| 23:07.54 | rhys | anyway. what i came in here, do i have to run apt-file update before i search or use synaptic to search?? apt-file...is debian right? :D |
| 23:08.05 | PingFloyd | stoned: isn't that usually the combination? |
| 23:08.11 | stoned | is it? |
| 23:08.16 | Mordantly_Bright | thats the joy of my nick, my mordant dulls my brightness. |
| 23:08.23 | azeem | rhys: apt-file search for files, synaptic mostly searches package descriptions I think |
| 23:08.25 | PingFloyd | stoned: geniuses tend to be assholes in my experiences anyway |
| 23:08.36 | eldowan | rhys: you don't need to use apt-file for finding packages. use apt-cache search <package> or aptitude search <package> |
| 23:08.37 | Mordantly_Bright | so I have a zero zero balance, not bright nor too dull. |
| 23:08.43 | stoned | word |
| 23:08.51 | eldowan | of |
| 23:08.52 | eldowan | the |
| 23:08.52 | eldowan | day |
| 23:09.05 | rhys | apt-cache! thats what it was. ty eldowan |
| 23:09.17 | stoned | I was watching G3 earlier. That Steve Vai kicks debian's ass |
| 23:09.18 | eldowan | rhys: :D |
| 23:09.20 | PingFloyd | stoned: actually I knew one that was actually pretty cool once |
| 23:09.24 | Mordantly_Bright | mordantly is actually caustic, or acidic, used in chemistry. |
| 23:09.31 | stoned | I'd listen to steve vai anyday than work on my debian boxes |
| 23:09.39 | eldowan | stoned: that Steve Vai is one guitar player. |
| 23:09.42 | stoned | that was dumb, I'm aware of that |
| 23:09.54 | karsten | Guys: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:09.56 | eldowan | stoned: excuse me, I have fat fingers today. |
| 23:10.08 | Mordantly_Bright | but dang is my nick that hard to figure out? |
| 23:10.11 | eldowan | karsten: !! I didn't know there was #debian-offtopic |
| 23:10.20 | rhys | hmm. eldowan synaptic like locks up when i do a search |
| 23:10.23 | karsten | eldowan: That excuse has expired ;-) |
| 23:10.26 | Mordantly_Bright | I keep getting complaints wonder if I should retire it. |
| 23:10.38 | stoned | rhys, synaptic is funny |
| 23:10.45 | eldowan | karsten: But it was my first time, you just broke my #debian-offtopic cherry... |
| 23:10.55 | stoned | dude.. |
| 23:11.14 | eldowan | rhys: I stick to aptitude at the command line :D |
| 23:11.30 | Mordantly_Bright | karsten: your supposed to be using rcirc, or eric, after all we all know the power of emacs. |
| 23:11.38 | rhys | eldowan, yea...normally i love synaptic.. its probably the most awesome package front end..ever. |
| 23:11.50 | PingFloyd | eldowan: I use the synaptic ui mostly, I find it faster |
| 23:12.12 | stoned | karsten, oh boy. |
| 23:12.17 | stoned | karsten, you have carpal? |
| 23:12.24 | PingFloyd | karsten: mouse hand? |
| 23:12.32 | eldowan | PingFloyd: faster? I have always found it much slower and more sluggish. But I generally know what I'm looking for before I try to get it... |
| 23:12.34 | karsten | stoned: Nope. |
| 23:12.39 | stoned | karsten, or do you mean you like your carpal tunnel as in you want to keep it protected |
| 23:12.50 | karsten | stoned: Bingo. |
| 23:12.56 | PingFloyd | eldowan: if I know what I want ahead of time, then the command line is faster |
| 23:13.06 | rhys | synaptic is faster for a front end than a termial front end, but just raw apt is faster than both |
| 23:13.23 | stoned | karsten, I've got my tendon pushing on my carpel tunnel.. It is causing pressure which affects my guitar playing and some pain. I need surgury. |
| 23:13.27 | thug | configure: error: Unable to find your MySQL inc dir, specify --enable-incdir. |
| 23:13.27 | stoned | surgery |
| 23:13.31 | stoned | I forgot how to spell it |
| 23:13.31 | eldowan | rhys: apt may be faster than aptitude, but I just love the DB that aptitude keeps. |
| 23:13.33 | Mordantly_Bright | can't you use synaptic from the command line? |
| 23:13.33 | thug | where are the MySQL inc dir ? |
| 23:13.37 | Mordantly_Bright | like aptitude. |
| 23:13.48 | eldowan | surgeory? |
| 23:13.53 | stoned | no clue man |
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| 23:13.58 | stoned | too lazy to lookit up |
| 23:14.20 | PingFloyd | I get pains in my right wrist, but getting a trackball has helped alot |
| 23:14.26 | stoned | I was right, it is surgery |
| 23:14.41 | PingFloyd | in my case, it just needs an adjustment from the chiropractor |
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| 23:14.57 | Mordantly_Bright | its irc, spelling is a side effect of your irc age! |
| 23:15.00 | stoned | PingFloyd, you might wanna stop .. you know ... :D |
| 23:15.03 | stoned | j/k |
| 23:15.20 | eldowan | stoned: yeah, that one handed typing is killer. |
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| 23:15.41 | stoned | eldowan, you totally mised it |
| 23:15.47 | stoned | hehe, nm |
| 23:15.55 | eldowan | stoned: ?? |
| 23:16.24 | karsten | eldowan: stewardesses |
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| 23:16.40 | thug | is there no MySQL-dev package available ? |
| 23:16.50 | karsten | !tell thug about search |
| 23:17.01 | thug | karsten i search for it . nothing ;) |
| 23:17.10 | stoned | aptitude search mysql|grep dev |
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| 23:17.54 | eldowan | karsten: Wow, that went WAY over my head... |
| 23:17.54 | h3sp4wn | aptitude search mysql~ndev |
| 23:18.01 | karsten | eldowan: Type it. |
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| 23:18.11 | karsten | eldowan: while scratching your left ear with your right hand. |
| 23:18.21 | thug | h3sp4wn thank you |
| 23:18.25 | eldowan | karsten: The longest word spelled on a qwerty keyboard with one hand? |
| 23:18.28 | karsten | eldowan: (preserves the over-the-head aspect). |
| 23:18.31 | karsten | eldowan: ;-) |
| 23:18.57 | eldowan | karsten: I thought at first that was how you keep your carpal tunnel in check. :D |
| 23:19.11 | karsten | eldowan: They'll never tell. |
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| 23:19.34 | eldowan | karsten: especially if they never know your name... |
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| 23:20.07 | eldowan | heh. #debian-offtopic is more on topic than #debian. |
| 23:20.26 | abrotman | eldowan: not usually .. |
| 23:20.34 | nn-main | how do i chang the language setting for a program tempralarely ( just while it's running) |
| 23:20.39 | pmv | heh |
| 23:20.46 | karsten | nn-main: LANG=<value> <command> |
| 23:20.48 | abrotman | LANG=<blah> <prgram> |
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| 23:21.46 | PingFloyd | or LC_ALL= |
| 23:22.22 | karsten | PingFloyd: LANG subsumes all other locale settings. |
| 23:22.54 | karsten | PingFloyd: ... unless otherwise specified. LC_ALL wins. You're right. |
| 23:23.05 | karsten | !win PingFloyd |
| 23:23.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, PingFloyd! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 23:26.47 | capiira | finaly |
| 23:26.50 | capiira | iceweasel |
| 23:26.55 | capiira | in testing |
| 23:27.08 | tarzeau | who cares? |
| 23:27.18 | eldowan | I still don't understand what people make such a big deal about iceweasel. |
| 23:27.22 | capiira | me and maybe other |
| 23:27.32 | capiira | becuase its 2.0.0.1 |
| 23:27.34 | tarzeau | eldowan: neither do i, it's a crap browser |
| 23:27.35 | capiira | au |
| 23:27.40 | eldowan | I understand the whole want-to-be-free, but to make a huge deal about a picture? |
| 23:27.55 | eldowan | tarzeau: I stick to opera, and fallback to galeon if that doesn't work. |
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| 23:28.02 | tarzeau | eldowan: i use links2 -g |
| 23:28.04 | karsten | Anyone here having issues with micro-hangs w/ IW2.0 / FF2.0? Like 5-10 second hangs. |
| 23:28.55 | eldowan | tarzeau: I'll have to give that a try. CLI? |
| 23:28.56 | tarzeau | karsten: yes, it's annoying |
| 23:29.03 | tarzeau | eldowan: no, graphical with -g |
| 23:29.26 | BrianSteffens | speaking of ff2.0 lol.. anyone know why when i run the command 'firefox' from terminal i get an iceweasel browser? >.> |
| 23:29.28 | Guerin | IW2.0 is rock-solid for me, for weeks at a time, with dozens of tabs open |
| 23:29.42 | karsten | BrianSteffens: file $( which firefox ) |
| 23:29.50 | karsten | BrianSteffens: ...a nd sort it out yourself. |
| 23:29.56 | Guerin | so I presume those who have trouble with it have lots of retarded extensions and/or flash and java |
| 23:31.37 | tarzeau | They think we are retarded. They are retarded. |
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| 23:32.58 | eldowan | tarzeau: links2 doesn't support js or css? |
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| 23:33.17 | tarzeau | eldowan: it supports js |
| 23:33.21 | tarzeau | eldowan: no css, no |
| 23:33.52 | eldowan | tarzeau: funny, it isn't displaying my js on my homepage. |
| 23:34.02 | tarzeau | eldowan: your js is broken |
| 23:34.10 | craigevil | hangs as in pages not loading or the entire browser stalling? |
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| 23:34.28 | eldowan | tarzeau: works fine in every other browser I've ever tried. I didn't write it, so whatever. |
| 23:34.33 | craigevil | if its just webpages try turning off ipv6 in firefox/iw |
| 23:35.10 | jazbo2185 | how would I start an x application on a remote machine that I ssh'd to? i.e. I want the computer in the other room to start playing a video file on it's screen |
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| 23:35.22 | craigevil | BrianSteffens: Iceweasel is the Debian rename of Firefox |
| 23:35.34 | pmv | ipv6 in firefox? |
| 23:36.08 | eldowan | tarzeau: links2 looks to be a great news reader. Thanks for the quick little browser. :D |
| 23:36.17 | BrianSteffens | craigevil: can i make it use tabs like ff2? |
| 23:36.23 | tarzeau | eldowan: you're welcome. wnat a great music player ? |
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| 23:36.36 | eldowan | tarzeau: Better than amarok? |
| 23:36.45 | tarzeau | eldowan: superior! |
| 23:36.53 | eldowan | tarzeau: do tell! |
| 23:37.04 | craigevil | pmv: about:cpnfig then look for network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to true |
| 23:37.26 | tarzeau | eldowan: opencubicplayer |
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| 23:37.59 | pmv | hrm.. in an ideal world, it shouldn't have to care |
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| 23:38.30 | pmv | applications shouldn't have to worry about network layer protocols |
| 23:38.45 | eldowan | here here |
| 23:39.06 | craigevil | "shouldn't" beng the keyword, unfortunately thats not the case with firefox |
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| 23:39.20 | pmv | but I can imagine how it has to work around that a bit |
| 23:39.35 | Guerin | if a camel is a horse designed by committee, firefox is a browser designed by one. |
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| 23:40.03 | Guerin | it's so full of kludges and hacks and legacy mangulation it's a freaking miracle it works as well as it does |
| 23:40.08 | pmv | well in the first place, the OS's network hierarchies aren't sufficiently abstracted, I suppose |
| 23:40.08 | craigevil | bad enough they hide a lot of the config options |
| 23:40.14 | eldowan | tarzeau: What is the executable? |
| 23:40.17 | nn-main | how do i switch languges in a document |
| 23:40.18 | tarzeau | eldowan: ocp |
| 23:40.21 | Guerin | pmv: *some* OSes |
| 23:40.23 | eldowan | tarzeau: Thanks. |
| 23:40.34 | Guerin | pmv: it has to work on windows, remember :) |
| 23:40.35 | pmv | Guerin: most, I daresay |
| 23:40.37 | tarzeau | eldowan: dpkg -L pkg | grep bin is great to find |
| 23:40.46 | pmv | hehe :-) |
| 23:40.47 | Guerin | in fact, most of the dev takes place on windows |
| 23:40.54 | PingFloyd | craigevil: I wonder if it's hiding, or that they just haven't put in the effort to include them in preferences |
| 23:40.59 | pmv | :| |
| 23:41.00 | tarzeau | eldowan: only games and binaries in lib won't be found that way |
| 23:41.10 | pmv | and they.. backport it to nix? |
| 23:41.17 | pmv | *shudder* |
| 23:41.19 | Guerin | pmv: i guess so. |
| 23:41.23 | eldowan | tarzeau: ooh. I must remember to add that to my small but growing hat of tricks. Hopefully I'll graduate to a proper bag one day. |
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| 23:41.26 | craigevil | intentinally hiding because the devs don't belive most people should be messing with things like the profilemanager |
| 23:41.36 | Guerin | pmv: don't want to visit that particular sausage factory |
| 23:41.52 | tarzeau | eldowan: and do you know randomize-lines ? |
| 23:42.02 | pmv | craigevil: heh, only to have it pop up at the oddest times, then the user's like .. uh.. |
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| 23:42.12 | eldowan | tarzeau: randomizes the order of lines in a text file? |
| 23:42.20 | pmv | Guerin: I like how you use the word "sausage" ;-) |
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| 23:42.28 | tarzeau | eldowan: whatever you give it to stdin. i use it like ocp `ls *.mp3 | rl` |
| 23:42.37 | Guerin | mmm, sossidge |
| 23:42.39 | craigevil | whch makes no sense, they have a visible profile manager in Thunderbird but not firefox |
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| 23:43.12 | eldowan | tarzeau: nice one :D I'll probably just stick to amarok. It keeps my usage stats on my server, and all that stuff. |
| 23:43.14 | pmv | craigevil: by default, yeah.. but you can pasee -ProfileManager |
| 23:43.16 | h3sp4wn | moc (executable - mocp) is a nice curses mp3 player (I just use it for playing streams) |
| 23:43.24 | pmv | *pass even |
| 23:43.24 | nn-main | how do i switch languges in a document |
| 23:43.29 | Guerin | i use cplay because it can play anything |
| 23:43.34 | pmv | h3sp4wn: mpd ^_^ |
| 23:43.34 | Guerin | nn-main: depends on the document |
| 23:43.43 | craigevil | yes, i always have the profile manager start just in case I need to test something |
| 23:44.02 | nn-main | openoffice documnet Guerin |
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| 23:44.07 | eldowan | Guerin: cplay will play protected wma? |
| 23:44.15 | h4wk | HI IM UR MOM |
| 23:44.22 | pmv | I usually have one profile with all my userChrome and userContent styles, and another vanilla one |
| 23:44.23 | h3sp4wn | pmv: Not necessary for what I use it for |
| 23:44.33 | h4wk | DCC SEND (characterlimitover14) |
| 23:44.35 | Guerin | nn-main: select a region of text and something like format>paragraph (or might be character) |
| 23:44.37 | craigevil | pmv: same here |
| 23:44.44 | pmv | not necessary? or do you mean not sufficient? |
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| 23:44.53 | pmv | craigevil :-) |
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| 23:44.56 | tarzeau | !ops h4wk dcc abuse |
| 23:44.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tarzeau complains about: h4wk dcc abuse |
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| 23:45.00 | Guerin | eldowan: it'll play anything you have abackend for - so if you have a lib or something which will, then yes, it will. |
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| 23:45.06 | eldowan | Is h4wk trolling? |
| 23:45.10 | tarzeau | eldowan: yes |
| 23:45.11 | h3sp4wn | pmv: I mean not necessary |
| 23:45.14 | azeem | !abk h4wk |
| 23:45.15 | eldowan | Guerin: Ahhh. nice. |
| 23:45.16 | azeem | eh. |
| 23:45.18 | Guerin | eldowan: it's just a python wrapper and curses UI around cli players |
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| 23:45.30 | RichiH | azeem: bleh |
| 23:45.32 | Villan | heh |
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| 23:46.38 | Mark_Iron | !paste |
| 23:46.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 23:47.36 | h3sp4wn | pmv: I might try it with emphasis as it would integrate into my wm nicely |
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| 23:48.31 | pmv | h3sp4wn: mpd works quite nicely with my wmii3 and now dwm |
| 23:48.52 | pmv | though that's really a feature of those wms more than mpd |
| 23:48.56 | h3sp4wn | pmv: I use e17 so emphasis would be what I would use if I was to use it |
| 23:49.17 | pmv | hmm |
| 23:49.17 | pmv | I agree |
| 23:49.24 | pmv | it would be what I'd use, if I were to use it |
| 23:49.29 | pmv | :-p |
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| 23:50.37 | pmv | where 'it' is $FOO |
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| 23:51.16 | kenny20 | hi |
| 23:51.24 | kenny20 | i want to backup my MySQL database |
| 23:51.28 | kenny20 | my server is crashed |
| 23:51.40 | kenny20 | and i want to convert /var/lib/mysql |
| 23:51.43 | kenny20 | to ASCII *.sql file |
| 23:51.46 | kenny20 | it's possible ? |
| 23:51.58 | Guerin | kenny20: why would you not ask #mysql? |
| 23:52.11 | pmv | to answer you, yes |
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| 23:53.10 | kenny20 | pmv: ok, thanks |
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| 23:53.37 | kenny20 | Guerin: if you can help me, you're welcome :) |
| 23:53.37 | pmv | wow, that was easy |
| 23:53.49 | eduhat | can i install etch from the internet? for some reason my cd drive isnt working |
| 23:54.12 | Guerin | kenny20: load the files into another mysquirrel server and dump them from there |
| 23:54.20 | kenny20 | pmv: easy ? good :) explain to me please. |
| 23:54.22 | eduhat | it boots the cd but it doesnt let me install for some reason |
| 23:54.32 | Guerin | eduhat: tell it you're not kidding. |
| 23:54.42 | pmv | easy answering your question, I mean |
| 23:54.44 | eduhat | heh i wish |
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| 23:56.14 | Mark_Iron | Hi youngsters :-) ... how can I create a new debian repo ? |
| 23:56.32 | eldowan | Mark_Iron: check apt-mirror |
| 23:56.32 | GeorgeS069 | hehe |
| 23:56.45 | kenny20 | pmv: please, help! |
| 23:56.46 | pmv | tee hee |
| 23:57.11 | kenny20 | Querin: mysqld --base-dir dir ? |
| 23:57.12 | Mark_Iron | thnx eldowan ;-) |
| 23:57.14 | pmv | kenny20: like Guerin said, you can load those files to another server and access it from there |
| 23:57.46 | Guerin | kenny20: i'd have to rtfm to do it myself, but that's the approach I'd take. |
| 23:57.57 | Guerin | I know less about sql than your average fishmonger. |
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| 23:58.33 | PingFloyd | hence, why your best bet is to check #mysql |
| 23:58.42 | pmv | fishmongers know quite a bit |
| 23:58.48 | Guerin | pmv: about fish. |
| 23:58.58 | pmv | they use it for keeping records |
| 23:59.01 | pmv | of stuff |
| 23:59.05 | pmv | ;-0 |
| 23:59.05 | PingFloyd | probably better luck at finding squirrel fishmongers there |
