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| 00:00.10 | bonez39 | printing question: I send print jobs to my default printer, using enscript, to print a text document..enscript returns OK...showing it's been sent, but lpstat -o shows that the jobs are all stacked up and NOT delivered...to a windows shared laser printer....how do I troubleshoot the bottleneck for the print jobs? |
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| 00:00.19 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - hell i cant remember when. But i do remember when i chose which kernel to install |
| 00:00.50 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - there were like 30-40 ones to choose from, so i figured the higher number, the more recent kernel |
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| 00:01.06 | dellthinker | And i chose the one second to the top. 2.6.* |
| 00:01.13 | dellthinker | The very top was net boot |
| 00:01.20 | abrotman | bonez39: can other systems print to the printer ? |
| 00:01.23 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: did you have it put grub in the MBR? |
| 00:01.28 | dellthinker | But im not booting from another machine so i chose the 2.6 |
| 00:01.36 | mfrisch | dellthinker: and this is debian? |
| 00:01.37 | Maximiliano | mfrisch, no i only install debian etch from the netinstall cd |
| 00:01.40 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - i think so |
| 00:01.48 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: usually, with the sarge installer, iirc, it give you the choice of installing grub to a floppy or the the MBR |
| 00:01.52 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - yes, it has to be right |
| 00:01.58 | dellthinker | Or elese it wouldnt boot |
| 00:02.15 | dellthinker | At least i got up to ......Ok starting kernel |
| 00:02.16 | madd_matt | Debian runs good on amd64? I can run 32 bit binaries? Ie, adobe flash. |
| 00:02.29 | madd_matt | Sorry, that was a bit of a half sentence :P |
| 00:02.45 | zinx | madd_matt: you can in a chroot, but that's not very nice |
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| 00:03.04 | zinx | madd_matt: tell adobe to hurry up and support 64-bit systems :P |
| 00:03.17 | madd_matt | I see. It may be worthwhile to just install a 32bit system for the moment |
| 00:03.18 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - mfrisch said that my kernel was screwed, so should i chose another version when i reinstall? |
| 00:03.19 | mfrisch | madd_matt: some are available some aren |
| 00:03.22 | bonez39 | abrotman, indeed they can...I run a virtual windows machine on same debian 3.1 box...from which I can't print, but in virtual Windows..that printing works JUST FINE |
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| 00:03.41 | abrotman | bonez39: any network activity ? |
| 00:03.53 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: what kind of system is this you are installing on? |
| 00:03.55 | zinx | madd_matt: there's some basic 32-bit compatibility stuff in debian amd64, but it's not enough to run most stuff, and definitely does not include an entire browser |
| 00:04.04 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - and ibm |
| 00:04.06 | dellthinker | -d |
| 00:04.07 | bonez39 | abrotman, I am able at the console to mount drives on the windows box....and read from and write to that mount |
| 00:04.20 | abrotman | bonez39: i don't care about CIFS |
| 00:04.21 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: x86? |
| 00:04.31 | dellthinker | Yes |
| 00:04.35 | bonez39 | abrotman, if I su to root, I can get the appearance that enscript is going to print, but it just piles up the jobs in the queue |
| 00:04.35 | dellthinker | Pentium |
| 00:04.41 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: use the i386 kernel-image |
| 00:04.43 | madd_matt | zinx: I'm coming from gentoo that has a full 32 bit compatible setup, so yeah. |
| 00:04.56 | bonez39 | abrotman, not sure what cifs is ..but sorry to bring it up |
| 00:04.57 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | !cifs |
| 00:05.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 00:05.05 | dellthinker | I thought thats what i had. I'll try again |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 00:05.12 | abrotman | oh ... hrm |
| 00:05.22 | amphi | !nbt |
| 00:05.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nbt is an implementation of the NetBIOS API on top of TCP/IP |
| 00:05.39 | amphi | oh, that |
| 00:06.19 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: at least try that one first |
| 00:06.28 | madd_matt | Can I only download CD 1 and get the rest of the packages I want online? Ie, a netinstall but using the packages on the disk |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | bonez39: check to see if netstat shows the jobs trying to be sent |
| 00:07.00 | abrotman | madd_matt: sure ... but why would you ? |
| 00:07.08 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: then you can worry about getting more that's geared more specifically |
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| 00:07.25 | PingFloyd | s/more/one |
| 00:07.36 | madd_matt | abrotman, save downloading the packages that are already on the disk? |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | madd_matt: you'll also download a bunch you'll never use (on the CD) |
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| 00:08.22 | madd_matt | abrotman, i'm getting the netinstall CD anyways :P |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | good plan |
| 00:08.52 | yassine | hi everyone while starting asterisk i get this error : http://rafb.net/p/rR1D5m27.html anyidea what is exactly missing or what the error means ? |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | yassine: i'd ask the asterisk experts .. it's triyng to use something already in use .. and isn't being very verbose |
| 00:09.56 | mfrisch | madd_matt: amd-64 has 'doz codecs and there is a simple flash player |
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| 00:10.18 | mfrisch | yassine: give me a sec |
| 00:10.38 | yassine | abrotman, to be honest i already asked in asterisk and no one was able to answer so i was thinking ist more a debian issue since im using 100% debian packages |
| 00:10.54 | yassine | mfrisch, take all the time you need |
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| 00:11.30 | mfrisch | yassine: you have zaptel libpri? |
| 00:11.51 | yassine | zaptel yes libpri let me see |
| 00:12.40 | yassine | mfrisch, do i need libpri if im using an analog line and no isdn line ?? |
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| 00:13.25 | mfrisch | yassine: I think its almost mandatory after 1.2 |
| 00:13.42 | blondie | what's this rubbish with installing iceweasel on etch: |
| 00:13.44 | blondie | Configuration file `/etc/iceweasel/profile/bookmarks.html' ==> File on system created by you or by a script. |
| 00:13.45 | yassine | mfrisch, im using the latest stable of debian |
| 00:13.51 | yassine | its the 1.2 |
| 00:14.00 | blondie | it's done it on both my machines, which have never had iceweasel before! |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | yassine: checked the BTS ? |
| 00:14.47 | mfrisch | yassine: it should have installed it I think. |
| 00:14.58 | blondie | oh... and the default home page is a 404 :D |
| 00:15.08 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - im reinstalling now, the kernel was src . what cpu is that? |
| 00:15.15 | yassine | abrotman, BTS ? whats that ? |
| 00:15.26 | dendrite | yassine: lsof may help you find processes that have opened or locked devices. strace may help you get more detailed error output. |
| 00:15.40 | yassine | dendrite, trying that atm |
| 00:15.41 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: sounds like a kernel source package, that has to be compiled |
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| 00:16.03 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: you want kernel-image* |
| 00:16.07 | yassine | dendrite, but still did not find out more i could pastbin the whole thing if you like to help |
| 00:16.13 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - will do |
| 00:16.34 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - will it have a xwindow when it boots up ? |
| 00:16.51 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: if you chose desktop installation |
| 00:16.56 | snowbird | any one got wifi on etch |
| 00:17.21 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: otherwise you'll need to install the X related packages you need/want with apt-get or aptitude |
| 00:17.38 | dellthinker | Notice to the good folks at #debian "This is my first Debian installation/Use. I've used other distros before but this is the first time i've used this one. So dont bash me too badly =P" |
| 00:17.39 | mfrisch | yassine: I am trying....install libpri and see if it starts, I have had to compile * to get freepbx to work |
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| 00:18.11 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: you might go with the desktop installation option, if this is your first time, since you probably won't know all the packages you need to get X up and running how you want |
| 00:18.14 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - well its not meant for personal use. Im making it a server |
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| 00:18.19 | yassine | mfrisch, are you also using an x100p card ? |
| 00:18.37 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: in that case, it would probably be better to not have X on there at all |
| 00:18.40 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - nah, no desktop |
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| 00:18.56 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - will it ask me if i want one? |
| 00:18.59 | mfrisch | yassine: no but it may not be supported by your zaptel |
| 00:19.12 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: in that case, you probably will want to just install the base and build with aptitude/apt-get from there |
| 00:19.16 | yassine | dendrite, this is what i got from stracing : http://rafb.net/p/vJoSU168.html |
| 00:19.26 | yassine | mhh |
| 00:19.32 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - brb |
| 00:19.41 | yassine | are there differnt zaptel packages ? |
| 00:20.23 | PingFloyd | bbl |
| 00:20.47 | yassine | mfrisch, i only was able to find one zaptel package |
| 00:20.50 | mfrisch | yassine: not packages but versions yes |
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| 00:21.29 | bonez39 | abrotman, sorry for my slow response...I ran netstat..not sure what to watch for in it |
| 00:21.40 | yassine | mfrisch, my chip set is listed there too so i assume it should do the job |
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| 00:21.42 | abrotman | bonez39: it trying to contact your windows box |
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| 00:22.06 | yassine | dendrite, any idea ? |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | !tell omong_kosong about away |
| 00:22.26 | blondie | omong_kosong: turn that off at once |
| 00:23.13 | mfrisch | yassine: I haven't had much luck with the debs allways compiled and sometimes wish there were no debs |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | well .. that's useless :) |
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| 00:24.03 | yassine | mfrisch, is that a suggestion to build everything manually ? :) |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:24.15 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 00:25.19 | mfrisch | yassine: NO but asterisk isn't working with them in your situation. You are loading the module right? |
| 00:25.34 | bonez39 | abrotman, tcp 0 1 10.0.0.10:41017 10.11.12.13:ipp SYN_SENT or how about this > tcp 0 1 10.0.0.10:41008 10.11.12.13:smtp SYN_SENT |
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| 00:26.01 | abrotman | smtp is not printing |
| 00:26.21 | yassine | mfrisch, my lsmod : http://rafb.net/p/Uk2W1183.html |
| 00:26.42 | yassine | wcfxo 11456 0 |
| 00:26.42 | yassine | zaptel 183364 1 wcfxo |
| 00:26.42 | yassine | crc_ccitt 2240 1 zaptel |
| 00:26.45 | yassine | oups |
| 00:26.47 | yassine | sorry |
| 00:26.58 | snowbird | abortman my next challange is to get my wireless up |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | good for you |
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| 00:27.24 | dvs | snowbird: good luck! |
| 00:27.29 | bonez39 | abrotman, ok...smtp is not printing..how do I figure out the next step...to get smtp to print? |
| 00:27.29 | ganjagrl | a |
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| 00:27.37 | snowbird | dvs hard? |
| 00:27.41 | mfrisch | yassine: don |
| 00:27.45 | dvs | snowbird: can be |
| 00:27.49 | yassine | snowbird, in the worst case use ndisswrrapper :) |
| 00:27.50 | snowbird | kk |
| 00:27.55 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 00:28.11 | yassine | mfrisch, looks fine right ? |
| 00:28.13 | ganjagrl | so... anyone knows how can i make my telnetd (or tcpwrappers,pam or whomever is the culprit) to NOT attempt reverse resolution for every incomming telnet connection? |
| 00:28.15 | snowbird | got to try in morning when fresh |
| 00:28.24 | snowbird | tired now end of day |
| 00:28.31 | stew | apt-get remove telnetd |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | bonez39: what is the IP of the windows box ? |
| 00:28.39 | mfrisch | yassine: you should goto #freepbx they love hardware. it says its loaded but I don't know if its the right one. |
| 00:29.00 | yassine | mfrisch, ill join them there too :) |
| 00:29.04 | ganjagrl | stew: Very funny... no can do. This guys really like their telnet |
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| 00:29.28 | abrotman | make them use ssh |
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| 00:29.30 | mfrisch | yassine: tell them the card name and chipset and which module to use. |
| 00:29.41 | yassine | okay |
| 00:30.09 | bonez39 | abrotman, windows box is 10.0.0.6 .. static assigned..... |
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| 00:30.22 | eldowan | famd has locked two loopback images from being unmounted. How can I release these files without killing famd? |
| 00:30.34 | mfrisch | yassine: because if you took out all the zaptel stuff * probally would work. just not for you |
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| 00:30.43 | RvGaTe | Anyone here has setup his Ekiga? i want to test this out... |
| 00:30.51 | PingFloyd | eldowan: sounds about right :) |
| 00:31.02 | eldowan | PingFloyd: got to kill famd again? |
| 00:31.06 | PingFloyd | eldowan: famd can be a real PITA sometimes |
| 00:31.09 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - the installation worked fine. its d/l packages from kernel.org now |
| 00:31.17 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - is there anything i need to update? |
| 00:31.21 | mfrisch | RvGaTe: have used it didn't like the "advanced" |
| 00:31.27 | mfrisch | net setup |
| 00:31.35 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: kernel.org? |
| 00:31.38 | eldowan | PingFloyd: tell me about it. It tore up my system at 99% CPU for hours until I figured it out... On two seperate machines! |
| 00:31.40 | dellthinker | Yup |
| 00:31.45 | RvGaTe | mfrisch, mind if i call you? pm me your sip |
| 00:31.51 | Azar | two bugs squashed. remaining: 98 |
| 00:31.54 | Azar | :) |
| 00:31.56 | dellthinker | er |
| 00:32.06 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - http://mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:32.13 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: that's probably your whole problem |
| 00:32.26 | dellthinker | uh? |
| 00:32.27 | madd_matt | NX Free edition says it supports debian sarge. Has anybody tried it in etch? |
| 00:32.38 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - the installation worked fine |
| 00:32.44 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: use debian repo |
| 00:32.46 | dellthinker | Its d/l the apps apt |
| 00:32.48 | Azar | stoned >> dellthinker :) |
| 00:33.03 | mfrisch | RvGaTe: my router is more than borked no * I like freepbx and its hard to port to debian, I don't even think I could get out to call you |
| 00:33.03 | dellthinker | Azar - who's st0n3d? |
| 00:33.04 | Azar | dellthinker: Debian offers you debianized kernels. |
| 00:33.13 | Azar | dellthinker: used to work for dell |
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| 00:33.26 | dellthinker | Well i have to make it work for a kick-ass IBM |
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| 00:33.40 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: those should work fine as well |
| 00:33.42 | eldowan | madd_matt: there is supposed to be an unsigned custom packaging of NX for etch, but I don't have the addy handy. :/ |
| 00:33.54 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: I wouldn't use any upstream kernel unless you have to |
| 00:33.56 | justin | PingFloyd: mirrors.kernel.org IS a debian mirror |
| 00:33.58 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - yeah its doing fine. But do i need to update anything? |
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| 00:34.02 | dellthinker | Security ? |
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| 00:34.13 | PingFloyd | justin: oh ok, didn't realize |
| 00:34.18 | madd_matt | eldowan, as long as it -can- be done, i'll find it later. I'm about to install etch, and if it can't be i'll install sarge. |
| 00:34.26 | PingFloyd | never have used that mirror |
| 00:34.28 | Azar | justin: but that does not mean that dellthinker should compile a kernel. |
| 00:34.33 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: ok, everything is good then |
| 00:34.50 | h3sp4wn | madd_matt: sidux (debian sid based distro) has it in their repos - you could build those against etch |
| 00:34.54 | dellthinker | How do you normally stay up to date with vulns etc? |
| 00:34.57 | Azar | dellthinker: aptitude install linux-source (or kernel-source if using Sarge) |
| 00:35.10 | justin | Azar: who said anything about compiling a kernel? |
| 00:35.13 | dellthinker | Azar - ok |
| 00:35.15 | ganjagrl | So? How do i get telnetd to stop doing reverse resolution for every client connected? |
| 00:35.25 | eldowan | madd_matt: someone was in the channel just yesterday. hold on a sec, and let me see If I can find it in my log |
| 00:35.35 | PingFloyd | Azar: he's just tring to get sarge up and running |
| 00:35.35 | Azar | dellthinker: to get a kernle for your cpu use : apt-cache search linux-source (gives you a list) |
| 00:35.36 | st1fkata` | What is the default password for new user added with useradd command w/o options - only typing name after command ? |
| 00:35.38 | dellthinker | I already moved in. Set my root passwd and made a account etc |
| 00:35.40 | madd_matt | eldowan, i idle in here. I'll search my logs ;) |
| 00:35.42 | dellthinker | So its good to go |
| 00:35.46 | Azar | PingFloyd: ah Sarge , nice |
| 00:36.08 | dellthinker | Azar - its already taken care of |
| 00:36.13 | dellthinker | :o) |
| 00:36.19 | eldowan | madd_matt: just as well, my logs only go back 4 hours.. :( |
| 00:36.22 | dellthinker | I just wanna know if i need to update anything |
| 00:36.28 | dellthinker | Security wise |
| 00:36.33 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: yeah |
| 00:36.39 | Azar | dellthinker: once a week |
| 00:36.40 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - spill it |
| 00:36.45 | madd_matt | eldowan, got it :) |
| 00:36.48 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: add security.debian.org or one of it's mirrors |
| 00:36.48 | dellthinker | Azar - where? |
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| 00:37.01 | Azar | dellthinker: take it easy.. not right now :) |
| 00:37.08 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - can i do it after the configuration? |
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| 00:37.21 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:37.32 | dellthinker | What command would i use? |
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| 00:37.37 | Azar | dellthinker: later on, after you are done you can use "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" commands , like once / week |
| 00:37.39 | Guerin | PingFloyd: on of what mirrors? |
| 00:37.40 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: read the security section on www.debian.org |
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| 00:37.45 | Guerin | s/one/+e/ |
| 00:37.51 | dellthinker | ok |
| 00:37.53 | dellthinker | brb |
| 00:37.53 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: it has some info about that |
| 00:37.56 | lib8264q | hi can someonme help with a boot option |
| 00:38.26 | Azar | so all honorable helpers were in a conference last night? been here by myself |
| 00:38.30 | PingFloyd | Guerin: I don't know if there is even one for that or not |
| 00:38.33 | stew | dellthinker: /msg dpkg security ; and subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security |
| 00:38.39 | eldowan | PingFloyd: Have you ever known famd to munch all of the resources of the computer? It was like being back in XP. |
| 00:38.47 | Guerin | PingFloyd: what would the point be in mirroring critical security updates? |
| 00:39.02 | bonez39 | abrotman, any ideas? I appreciate your help |
| 00:39.05 | Guerin | the idea is that it's from a singular, trusted source |
| 00:39.09 | Guerin | eldowan: i have had that. |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | bonez39: gotta run .. ask Guerin ! |
| 00:39.21 | Azar | Guerin: I have them too, is that _wrong_? |
| 00:39.32 | Azar | bye abrotman |
| 00:39.34 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - im sitting in front of my box now, its asking me if i should update Libc-client |
| 00:39.38 | dellthinker | Should i ? |
| 00:39.40 | bonez39 | Guerin, abrotan says you are the PRO..and have all the answers...;) |
| 00:39.59 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - im intsalling a pop3 server btw |
| 00:40.03 | PingFloyd | Guerin: by the same logic, why mirror packages at all? |
| 00:40.06 | lib8264q | can someone tell me what switch i can use to use to seleck a gb region layout instead of us |
| 00:40.07 | mfrisch | hookers where? |
| 00:40.22 | lib8264q | in the boot options |
| 00:40.38 | Azar | gb or uk? |
| 00:40.51 | Guerin | PingFloyd: because standard packages and secutity updates are qualitatively different. |
| 00:40.53 | lib8264q | is gb not uk ? |
| 00:40.56 | dellthinker | Correction it says "continue installing libc-client with out Maildir support?" |
| 00:41.02 | Guerin | bonez39: abrotman is just lazy |
| 00:41.02 | Azar | gabon? |
| 00:41.15 | Azar | gb=gabon? |
| 00:41.16 | bonez39 | Guerin, well, it seemed like he was helping me in the right direction |
| 00:41.29 | eldowan | What purpose does famd sport? I've looked at the man page, as well as poll and select, but I don't quite understand how it is useful. |
| 00:41.29 | Guerin | bonez39: i'm not - too busy |
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| 00:41.42 | lib8264q | ok its english british im looking for |
| 00:41.47 | stew | how is it that the topic is the one i set a month ago? :) |
| 00:41.48 | bonez39 | Guerin, I print to a windows shared printer.. but can't print from linux to it |
| 00:41.52 | Guerin | eldowan: famd means real-time refresh in filemanagers etc |
| 00:41.56 | stew | has nothing happened? |
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| 00:41.58 | Azar | lib8264q: I usually see it as uk on the net |
| 00:42.01 | Guerin | bonez39: that's terrible. |
| 00:42.05 | Azar | lib8264q: try uk |
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| 00:42.08 | Cald | hello |
| 00:42.18 | eldowan | Guerin: Ahh. Thats why I had to <F5> to get updated information after I killed famd. Thanks :D |
| 00:42.52 | Guerin | lib8264q: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:42.56 | lib8264q | so at the boot line where it says boot options i type just uk ? |
| 00:42.56 | PingFloyd | Guerin: I understand that, but if you have altered programs on your system, don't security updates become kind of moot? |
| 00:43.06 | Cald | is it possible to choose the priority which sshd have, and give to shells plz ? |
| 00:43.12 | lib8264q | sorry im new to *nix |
| 00:43.17 | Guerin | PingFloyd: no. |
| 00:43.24 | Guerin | Cald: your sentence makes no sense. |
| 00:43.41 | Azar | lib8264q: ah well, what Guerin told you /msg dpkg drxx < here in the channel |
| 00:43.50 | Guerin | lib8264q: you want to change your keymap? |
| 00:44.50 | bonez39 | Guerin, hey, tell me something new...;) |
| 00:44.51 | Cald | i just want to edit sshd_config to get sshd running at a priority level i choosen |
| 00:44.51 | bonez39 | been enjoying this terrible non-relationship between my linux box and my winders printer |
| 00:44.51 | Cald | instead of running renice |
| 00:44.51 | Azar | Guerin: region keymap uk instead of us at bootup |
| 00:44.52 | bonez39 | Guerin, been battling this a few weeks now |
| 00:45.03 | Guerin | bonez39: solution: don't use windows |
| 00:45.09 | lib8264q | i tell you what it is ... if i use the us default .... i can install .... but when i log onto system terminal is worng ... so i remap it ... to british uk /gb suddenly logon password is all wrong |
| 00:45.14 | Guerin | Azar: oh. DUnno, then. |
| 00:45.21 | lib8264q | cant log onto system |
| 00:45.30 | Guerin | lib8264q: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:45.36 | Guerin | i've had this problem |
| 00:45.38 | lib8264q | ty ... |
| 00:45.49 | Azar | lib8264q: usually at install time you select the "uk" if you want that.... after install.... Guerin maybe "locales"? |
| 00:45.53 | Guerin | nope |
| 00:45.58 | Guerin | locales are distinct from keymaps |
| 00:46.08 | Guerin | a keymap is what sort of physical keyboard you have |
| 00:46.11 | Azar | ah I see |
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| 00:46.22 | Guerin | a locale is what language and character set you want it to type |
| 00:46.25 | bonez39 | Guerin, I come here for solutions....not a sermon about which OS is the one true OS |
| 00:46.25 | lib8264q | can i not cut that out with a switch during the initial install ? |
| 00:46.43 | Azar | actually he originally said region layout, I assumed is keymap |
| 00:46.52 | Guerin | bonez39: #debian doesn't do solutions. For those you need to go to your Registered Solutions Provider. |
| 00:47.02 | bonez39 | ah.... |
| 00:47.07 | bonez39 | Guerin, I never knew...... |
| 00:47.15 | Azar | lib8264q: don't be scared run that command that Guerin showed you as root in command line |
| 00:47.17 | lib8264q | sorry im maby not explaining myself very well ..S |
| 00:47.25 | bonez39 | Guerin, but , what about all those other seeming solutions I have found right here in #debian? |
| 00:47.36 | Guerin | bonez39: what I know about printers ain't worth knowing. All i know is that mine works, and I'm happy knowing no more than that. |
| 00:47.37 | bonez39 | Guerin, were they just lucky moments? |
| 00:47.47 | Guerin | bonez39: those were not the solutions you were looking for. |
| 00:47.50 | bonez39 | Guerin, fair enough |
| 00:47.59 | Guerin | !jedi mind trick bonez39 |
| 00:48.07 | Azar | no such "lucky moments" with Guerin. Learn to understand him |
| 00:48.39 | rahul | I've had lucky moments with zoof |
| 00:48.41 | rahul | oh wait. |
| 00:48.44 | Azar | I had long hours pulling Guerin's sleeve until he softened-up |
| 00:49.01 | Steve__ | hey eveyrone got a problem |
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| 00:49.03 | Guerin | Azar: i didn't soften up, you got more clueful. |
| 00:49.07 | Steve__ | my mouse wont work after i do startx |
| 00:49.09 | rahul | "sleeve". is that what the kids are calling it these days? |
| 00:49.13 | JordiGH | X fonts are too small... suggestions? |
| 00:49.16 | Guerin | rahul: heh |
| 00:49.22 | Azar | Guerin: very probable |
| 00:49.23 | rahul | JordiGH: change the dpi on the display? |
| 00:49.27 | Guerin | JordiGH: make them bigger |
| 00:49.37 | Guerin | JordiGH: embiggen them |
| 00:49.38 | JordiGH | rahul: In my xorg.conf file? |
| 00:49.50 | JordiGH | Guerin: Aggrandise them instead, perhaps? |
| 00:49.52 | Steve__ | someone wanna show me their xorg? I cant get my mouse to move !! |
| 00:50.03 | lib8264q | i can install teh system well but in terminal windows £ $ # are in wrong places ... even though iv select british qwerty its not putting the termial sysmbols right ... if i set it right so that i get symbols in right place i reboot then all of a sudden cant log on says password is wrong |
| 00:50.13 | Azar | Steve__: configure your mouse in X |
| 00:50.15 | Steve__ | XF86CONFIG-4 |
| 00:50.17 | Steve__ | haha how? |
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| 00:50.26 | Azar | !drxx |
| 00:50.26 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 00:50.33 | Azar | Steve__ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:50.41 | Steve__ | thank u |
| 00:51.13 | rahul | there it is |
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| 00:51.23 | rahul | JordiGH: /etc/X11/init/xserverrc |
| 00:51.27 | rahul | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 00:51.33 | rahul | for example. |
| 00:51.37 | Azar | dang that's bad |
| 00:51.56 | Azar | qwerty I guess is the us type |
| 00:52.27 | Azar | that why you needed to change at bootup, well it does not change at bootup |
| 00:52.34 | lib8264q | nope during selection it clearly says qwerty british british |
| 00:52.40 | Azar | you need root access to reconfigure your keymap |
| 00:52.51 | Azar | lib8264q: you selected wrong |
| 00:53.25 | lib8264q | ok enlighten me ? |
| 00:53.30 | Azar | you first go select uk on any screen that invites you to pick country, keymap n such, then go british "only" on any entry asking. |
| 00:53.33 | Steve__ | where do i find info on how firefox + mplayer + mplayer-plugin? |
| 00:53.35 | Mportnoy | I have 2 network cards 1````````' |
| 00:53.50 | stew | Steve__: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:53.51 | Azar | lib8264q: sarge or etch? |
| 00:53.58 | lib8264q | etch |
| 00:54.08 | Steve__ | stew taz it? |
| 00:54.24 | stew | dpkg: tell Steve__ about mplayer |
| 00:54.25 | Azar | lib8264q: holdon |
| 00:54.28 | rahul | I wish I had a ````````' |
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| 00:54.47 | infernix | 1 hours of fiddling with linux bluetooth and it broke my headset already |
| 00:54.55 | infernix | *2 hours even |
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| 00:55.23 | infernix | the damn thing will now only charge. quickest thing i've killed in years, and wireless at that |
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| 00:55.37 | infernix | "look mommy, no hands" |
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| 00:55.41 | PingFloyd | JordiGH: read this http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg7#Display_Size.2FDPI |
| 00:56.12 | eldowan | Is there an irc client that supports having 2 channels visiable at the same time? |
| 00:56.26 | larsl | eldowan: You can have channels in separate windows in XChat. |
| 00:56.26 | amphi | irssi can do that, I believe |
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| 00:56.33 | Azar | lib8264q: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 00:56.37 | mfrisch | eldowan: konversation has tabs |
| 00:56.41 | PingFloyd | JordiGH: for best results make that match what you set DPI to with your command line argument |
| 00:56.42 | larsl | eldowan: XChat -> Detach tab |
| 00:56.45 | lib8264q | cool ty .... |
| 00:56.50 | GeorgeS069 | Lirc can also |
| 00:57.06 | eldowan | mfrisch: I'm in konversation right now. I'm looking to have 2 channels visible in the same window |
| 00:57.17 | eldowan | larsl: mfrisch: thanks for the tips |
| 00:57.20 | rahul | irssi can split windows as well as have them both output to the same window |
| 00:57.35 | Azar | lib8264q: English, United Kindom, British English... thats the way you should go |
| 00:57.38 | eldowan | rahul: irssi is a cli client, no? |
| 00:57.50 | PingFloyd | and have windows that can be toggled |
| 00:57.54 | rahul | eldowan: well, so is xchat, technically. |
| 00:58.05 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yes, but it's far superior to all of the extant clients. |
| 00:58.13 | Azar | irssi rocks |
| 00:58.24 | rahul | it has a command line. irssi uses a graphical char-cell interface. |
| 00:58.34 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I'm not downing cli. I'll have to give it a shot. Does is supoprt colour? |
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| 00:58.38 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yes. |
| 00:58.42 | rahul | does it. |
| 00:58.54 | rahul | it even has THEMES! |
| 00:58.54 | PingFloyd | eldowan: I think it has a gtk client iirc |
| 00:58.55 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I may have just switched irc clients if it logs too. |
| 00:58.58 | PingFloyd | eldowan: alos |
| 00:59.02 | Azar | rahul: customizable |
| 00:59.03 | rahul | duh it logs. |
| 00:59.05 | PingFloyd | eldowan: also |
| 00:59.17 | rahul | Azar: the cool kids use themes. they don't do their own cusotmization |
| 00:59.26 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: it's even scriptable. Odds are if there's a feature that you wanted, it either does it or someone has written scripts to do it |
| 00:59.30 | rahul | 'we have other people tell us our preferences' |
| 00:59.42 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:00.05 | lib8264q | ty azar my mistake i asure you... just could not see what it was |
| 01:00.09 | eldowan | rahul: I'm not familiar with irc clients, as I've only really used 2. Please understand that I am ignorant to most of irc and its clients. I don't know much of the common information abou it. |
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| 01:00.20 | lib8264q | as very litle experience |
| 01:00.20 | PingFloyd | "cool" kids also use programs that use skins |
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| 01:00.32 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the information, you may have just made a convert out of me. |
| 01:00.33 | rahul | my programs show lots of skin |
| 01:00.44 | Guerin | what irssi can do is limited only by perl |
| 01:00.50 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:00.58 | eldowan | Guerin: that I understand. |
| 01:00.59 | Guerin | if you want it, script it |
| 01:01.01 | rahul | Guerin: perl can even parse email addresses. almost. |
| 01:01.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:01.19 | Guerin | rahul: go on, implement lisp scripting |
| 01:01.22 | rahul | but only if you use a 2000-character regex :) |
| 01:01.22 | Guerin | i dare ya |
| 01:01.27 | Guerin | in irssi, I mean |
| 01:01.28 | rahul | Guerin: why bother? it's been done. |
| 01:01.29 | dondelelcaro | rahul: even that regex isn't complete |
| 01:01.36 | rahul | dondelelcaro: "almost" :) |
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| 01:01.39 | Shizuo | I know it's not the appropriate channel, but: Is there such thing as a Linux project for complete re-write of the fs structure and also standardization of APIs and stuff? |
| 01:01.59 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: no |
| 01:02.03 | Shizuo | =[ |
| 01:02.05 | Guerin | Shizuo: the filesystem has been reinvented by a bunch of people, badly. |
| 01:02.06 | rahul | Guerin: eh, I like using OOP for scripting IRC |
| 01:02.15 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: primarily because doing such a thing is basically totally impossible, and pretty much useless. |
| 01:02.24 | Shizuo | Standards are not useless |
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| 01:02.39 | rahul | cheese is not moldy |
| 01:02.39 | Ono | hi |
| 01:02.55 | stew | sometimes it is |
| 01:03.01 | mfrisch | Shizuo: we make our own standards here |
| 01:03.13 | Shizuo | Nonsense |
| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: there are extant standards for most of the important APIs; in most cases the standards were written after the API though. |
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| 01:03.41 | rahul | standardizing something before you know what it is is fun |
| 01:03.43 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: regardless, it would help if you'd talk about specific APIs and/or which specific parts of the filesystem structure should be revamped. |
| 01:04.27 | Guerin | Shizuo: http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=doc/articles/clueless |
| 01:04.27 | Guerin | the last part of that address is particularly revealing of the mindset of those responsible |
| 01:04.27 | Shizuo | Well, anyway, I'm not here to discuss the problems with having an amateurish approach, just to ask if there is such a project, don't bother spamming the channel discussing political views |
| 01:04.27 | Shizuo | Thx |
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| 01:04.46 | Shizuo | Guerin: Lemme see |
| 01:04.59 | curt | dont look ;) |
| 01:05.00 | rahul | Shizuo: if you don't want to approach it in an amateurish way, go ahead and don't |
| 01:05.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.03 | rahul | wtf |
| 01:05.17 | Shizuo | I'm not here for your policial rants, people |
| 01:05.22 | Shizuo | I was just asking about a project |
| 01:05.27 | rahul | Shizuo: then stop ranting about political shit |
| 01:05.28 | Shizuo | s/policial/political/ |
| 01:05.30 | Guerin | Shizuo: you're here for whatever we choose to give ;) |
| 01:05.36 | Shizuo | I wasn't, rahul |
| 01:05.38 | Shizuo | Quote me |
| 01:05.40 | rahul | Shizuo: sure you are |
| 01:05.46 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeesh; let it go. |
| 01:05.56 | rahul | 20:02 < Shizuo> Standards are not useless |
| 01:06.11 | Shizuo | Guerin: What part are you talking about being revealing |
| 01:06.15 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: the reason why we aren't able to give you a project is because you haven't given us enough information about which APIs and what parts of the filesystem you think should be changed. |
| 01:06.19 | mfrisch | the only standard in linux is that it uses the linux kernel |
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| 01:06.27 | ttick | I accidentally blew away a config file that I need. but re-installing the package doesn't put it back. What command does the trick? |
| 01:06.30 | Shizuo | dondelelcaro: Omg, get over it, dude |
| 01:06.42 | Shizuo | dondelelcaro: I already said I don't care about this kind of discussion |
| 01:06.43 | Azar | rahul, now serious, o/t but I wanted to show you this last night: http://www.bash.org/?56229 |
| 01:06.44 | lib8264q | ty to all who helped me :) |
| 01:06.46 | rahul | is it tardsday again? |
| 01:06.47 | Guerin | Shizuo: `clueless' |
| 01:06.53 | Guerin | rahul: once every 24 hours |
| 01:07.00 | Shizuo | If I was interested in that kind of stuff, I would go to the usenet |
| 01:07.08 | rahul | haha |
| 01:07.09 | Shizuo | To practice in the special olympics |
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| 01:07.19 | dondelelcaro | Shizuo: then I've no idea why you're asking if you don't want an answer. |
| 01:07.22 | rahul | Shizuo: instead you come to #debian to make it tardsday |
| 01:07.27 | rahul | thanks so much |
| 01:07.31 | Shizuo | dondelelcaro: I asked: Is there such project? |
| 01:07.34 | Shizuo | You said NO |
| 01:07.38 | Shizuo | I said THANKS, DUDE |
| 01:07.41 | Shizuo | Get over it |
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| 01:07.52 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 01:07.53 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 01:07.54 | curt | my 'very old' pcmcia bus doesn't show up with discover/lspci, is there anyone who is an expert with the newer udev/pcmciautils on etch with 2.6.18-3-486? |
| 01:07.54 | rahul | ah, brazillian. go figure. |
| 01:07.54 | Azar | next time be nice to helpers |
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| 01:08.52 | Azar | so rahul what's your distro? |
| 01:08.58 | eldowan | hmm. irssi doesn't show up on my machine with aptitude search [irc|IRC] though it has IRC in the description of aptitude search irssi |
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| 01:09.22 | rahul | Azar: debian, of course. so big, no one can use all of it at once. |
| 01:09.29 | Azar | I liked the last question there "and fits in one CD? " hahahaha |
| 01:09.30 | infernix | oh this just keeps getting better |
| 01:09.34 | Wyzard | curt: If it's very old it's probably actually PCMCIA, which is 16-bit and analogous to ISA, and not supported by lspci |
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| 01:10.00 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: it's probably called irssi-text then. |
| 01:10.00 | Wyzard | curt: as opposed to the more common (these days) CardBus, which uses the same size cards but is 32-bit and basically PCI on a card |
| 01:10.00 | infernix | i just made my mobile phone reboot over bluetooth. Ping-of-Death style |
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| 01:10.06 | dondelelcaro | err, nevermind. |
| 01:10.12 | Wyzard | curt: CardBus devices appear in lspci; PCMCIA devices don't |
| 01:10.21 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: No, it is irssi, irssi-text is the dummy transitional package. I just wasn't sure if the search for IRC, or irc should *not* show irssi. |
| 01:11.17 | mfrisch | infernix: that could be fun |
| 01:11.46 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yeah; I misparsed your question at first. Anyway, here apt-cache search IRC; does show it, and the proper aptitude search ~dirc; does as well. |
| 01:12.04 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: aptitude search foo; without any field modifiers searches for package names. |
| 01:12.04 | Azar | rahul: :D |
| 01:12.09 | infernix | mfrisch: it would be fun if it didnt just break my bluetooth headset 15 minutes ago |
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| 01:12.38 | infernix | i guess this is why they call it the 'bluez' |
| 01:12.39 | dellthinker | quazar@Black-Hats:~$ uname -a |
| 01:12.39 | dellthinker | Linux Black-Hats 2.4.27-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 14 06:30:39 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:12.40 | Kerr | I put an old cirrus logic gfx card into my pc so i can dual monitor, and added it into my xorg.conf.. it crashed, so i rebooted ans switched the primary graphics to pci (the old card) not my current agp card. now, my etch install boots up on the pci card, then when x starts, that monitor loses signal, and the agp cart's monitor picks it up. if i ctrl+alt+1 to get to tty1, the agp's monitor loses the signal, and it goes back to the pci monitor. I'll[<Cut>] |
| 01:12.40 | Kerr | [<Cut>]pastebin my xorg config, but what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:12.43 | dellthinker | :o) |
| 01:12.46 | rahul | Azar: and so customizable, anyone can use it for their purposes |
| 01:12.57 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: Ahh, no I will try to remember to search with ~d then. Thanks. |
| 01:13.03 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: or just use apt-cache |
| 01:13.09 | Azar | yep, rahul got a better one : http://www.bash.org/?52773 |
| 01:13.16 | curt | Wyzard, this is old, cardmgr says no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices .. the only card that 'used to work a long time ago on M$ only has the pc card logo on it not the carbus logos. |
| 01:13.17 | dellthinker | Question - do i normally install programs on the accounts? |
| 01:13.21 | dellthinker | Or can i use root? |
| 01:13.30 | dondelelcaro | dellthinker: you generally install programs as root |
| 01:13.43 | dondelelcaro | dellthinker: individual users can install programs, but they'll have to install them to their home directories. |
| 01:13.45 | dellthinker | ok |
| 01:13.56 | Azar | dellthinker: as root then assign groups for users that can get access to some: games, sound, audio.. |
| 01:14.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 01:14.20 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:14.23 | rahul | Azar: wtf |
| 01:14.28 | Azar | tarzeau!! :D hi |
| 01:14.40 | rahul | I better get a shower |
| 01:14.45 | tarzeau | Azar: ho |
| 01:14.51 | rahul | so I can get down to the pussycat lounge at 10 |
| 01:15.07 | Azar | rahul: < infernix> i just made my mobile phone reboot over bluetooth. Ping-of-Death style << that why |
| 01:15.17 | rahul | heh |
| 01:15.43 | infernix | yeah well, the same trick killed my bluetooth headset. it doesnt respond to anything anymore |
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| 01:16.12 | infernix | and was only trying to get it to work :| |
| 01:16.17 | mfrisch | infernix: proballly not dead |
| 01:16.30 | infernix | yeah i can probably wait 240 hours until the battery runs out |
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| 01:16.47 | infernix | i'll take my chances with trading it for another tomorrow |
| 01:16.49 | rahul | if its hardware gets screwed by a wireless request, it's got problems |
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| 01:17.06 | dondelelcaro | welcome to the wonderfull world of crappy bluetooth stacks |
| 01:17.22 | rahul | oy. I should eat something |
| 01:17.38 | Kerr | petemc: I mimiced your xorg (sans the xinerama, as i'd have to keep the same colour depth across monitors) but it's gone strange. tty7 (x) is on my main card/monitor, the agp one.. ifi switch to another via ctrl+alt+1 or whatever, the signal switches to the pci/second monitor. what's going on @.@ ? |
| 01:18.01 | rahul | cause the drummer's wife is definitely gonna drag me out to greenpoint for drinking |
| 01:18.32 | rahul | later foos. and zoof. |
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| 01:19.50 | dellthinker | Anyone wanna suggest any cool progs i should get? (for shell only) |
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| 01:20.05 | JordiGH | cool progs for what? I personally think Octaviz is pretty awesome. |
| 01:20.07 | JordiGH | !info octaviz |
| 01:20.09 | mfrisch | surfraw |
| 01:20.16 | dpkg | octaviz: (3D visualization system for Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.4.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 14725 kB, Installed size: 39828 kB |
| 01:20.29 | yassine | mfrisch, even there no one can help :s |
| 01:20.32 | rahul | porn-get? |
| 01:20.49 | mfrisch | yassine: did they try? |
| 01:20.53 | JordiGH | PingFloyd: Btw, thanks for the font size link. It almost scrolled out of my xchat buffer before I could see it. ;-) |
| 01:21.40 | JordiGH | Shell only I guess you'll have to do with Octave. |
| 01:21.48 | pe3r | what's with the big update? |
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| 01:21.58 | pe3r | Need to get 42.2MB of archives. |
| 01:21.58 | pe3r | After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. |
| 01:22.02 | pe3r | what's all this? |
| 01:22.06 | dondelelcaro | pe3r: 42.2M is nothing |
| 01:22.18 | JordiGH | pe3r, Is that an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 01:22.27 | justin | apt-get upgrade -u |
| 01:22.33 | pe3r | yes sir |
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| 01:22.50 | Garda | hello everyone |
| 01:22.50 | pe3r | dondelelcaro, i aint talkin about the size, im talkin about what's all this stuff |
| 01:23.03 | JordiGH | pe3r: Seems like a minor upgrade. I'm having problems with now with apt wanting to download 400 megs of upgrades, and I only have about 350 megs left on myhd. |
| 01:23.21 | pe3r | libdps1 libice-dev libice6 libsm-dev libsm6 libx11-6 libx11-dev, etc |
| 01:23.50 | dellthinker | configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent <-------- whats this? |
| 01:24.01 | JordiGH | pe3r: Debian, like all software, is in constant development. Bugs get fixed, features get added, flamewars get resolved. apt-get upgrade sees the result of all this hardwork. If you want to know what an individual package does, do apt-cache show packagename. |
| 01:24.11 | Garda | i have a new laptop, with EM64T. i know i was supposed to get the amd64 version of debian, but got the ia64 one instead (it was 3am) |
| 01:24.15 | Garda | can i still use it |
| 01:24.39 | Garda | i've downloaded alot and cbf starting again if i don't have to |
| 01:24.41 | mfrisch | no |
| 01:24.44 | JordiGH | s/like all software/like all *GOOD* software |
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| 01:25.06 | justin | pe3r: install apt-listchanges? :) |
| 01:25.38 | mfrisch | Garda: use netinstall iso |
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| 01:25.58 | dellthinker | Anyone know what that error means? |
| 01:26.01 | dellthinker | Something i need to get? |
| 01:26.12 | pe3r | should you restart X after this installation? |
| 01:26.21 | justin | dellthinker: why are you compiling something? |
| 01:26.31 | dondelelcaro | pe3r: you don't need to. |
| 01:26.35 | dellthinker | justin - because im installing something |
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| 01:26.47 | justin | dellthinker: something that there is already a package for? |
| 01:26.51 | haldrik | hello |
| 01:26.58 | mfrisch | justin: he's thinkin |
| 01:26.58 | pe3r | dondelelcaro, x is being updated though |
| 01:26.59 | dellthinker | I dont know. Im installing BitchX |
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| 01:27.21 | pe3r | Fetched 42.2MB in 1m6s (636kB/s), 42.2 is nothing |
| 01:27.22 | pe3r | lol |
| 01:27.35 | justin | only 636? :-) |
| 01:27.48 | pe3r | on wireless |
| 01:27.49 | pe3r | :) |
| 01:27.51 | dondelelcaro | pe3r: so? |
| 01:27.54 | justin | dellthinker: a) there is a package for bitchx. b) who in their right mind still uses bitchx? |
| 01:28.00 | mfrisch | dellthinker: its packaged |
| 01:28.16 | dellthinker | justin - not on this newly fresh installed machine |
| 01:28.24 | dondelelcaro | pe3r: you can restart X if you want, but it's not required. |
| 01:28.26 | dellthinker | ok so what do i do? |
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| 01:28.30 | facenew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wycd-n7RsA&feature=PlayList&p=EE52D9ED01495685&index=0&playnext=1 |
| 01:28.52 | mfrisch | apt-get install bitchx |
| 01:29.58 | karsten | mfrisch: You misspelled irssi. |
| 01:30.10 | mebsd | what's you guys favourite torrent site? :) |
| 01:30.14 | mfrisch | karsten: yup ;-) |
| 01:30.34 | zinx | mebsd: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 01:30.47 | haldrik | Will Debian 4 (alias Etch) be released? If so, when? |
| 01:31.00 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 01:31.00 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 01:31.50 | justin | ooh, there is a pool for etch.. I should enter that one.. I won the sarge one :) |
| 01:31.51 | dellthinker | mfrisch - Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:31.51 | dellthinker | uw-imapd |
| 01:31.59 | dellthinker | Am i missing something? |
| 01:32.10 | justin | dellthinker: the errors come before that |
| 01:32.13 | mfrisch | dellthinker: ?? |
| 01:32.31 | dellthinker | justin - dpkg: error processing uw-imapd (--configure): |
| 01:32.31 | justin | and uw-imapd is slow isn't it? dovecot is a lot nicer eh? |
| 01:32.35 | justin | dellthinker: before that |
| 01:32.54 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if it's slow, but dovecot is nicer. |
| 01:32.59 | mfrisch | justin: dovecot rules |
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| 01:33.30 | mebsd | dovecot is incomplete too |
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| 01:34.16 | dellthinker | justin - http://sourcepost.sytes.net/sourcepost/sourceview.aspx?source_id=29123 |
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| 01:36.11 | dellthinker | Yup... |
| 01:36.15 | dellthinker | Thats what happened |
| 01:36.43 | justin | dellthinker: what did you do to your hostname? |
| 01:36.57 | dellthinker | eh? |
| 01:37.00 | dellthinker | Nothing? |
| 01:37.55 | dellthinker | Its a newly installed os. So i think i did everything right |
| 01:38.01 | curt | I like dovecot .. works nicley with exim4 and maildirs... |
| 01:38.42 | mfrisch | curt: it plays nice with postfix |
| 01:39.22 | curt | I heard that too .. I went with exim because it was default (who does decide that?) |
| 01:39.34 | Azar | what is dovecot? |
| 01:39.52 | justin | Azar: what does the package description say it is? |
| 01:40.00 | mfrisch | curt: mailscanner setup with postfix is trivial. That's why I use it. |
| 01:40.05 | Azar | justin: I will google |
| 01:40.07 | haldrik | dondelelcaro: when you think that they released Debian etch |
| 01:40.32 | dondelelcaro | haldrik: when it's ready, and not before. |
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| 01:40.35 | Azar | bah I thought is a game |
| 01:40.52 | dondelelcaro | haldrik: an exact date is impossible to predict. It'll almost definetly release on a weekend, but that's about as much as I can say. |
| 01:41.20 | Azar | noooo let it sit a bit more... |
| 01:41.22 | haldrik | dondelelcaro: one month is good for me :) |
| 01:41.23 | Kerr | are there any howtos about for setting up dual heads in etch? |
| 01:41.35 | dondelelcaro | haldrik: well, then jump in and help out! |
| 01:41.45 | Azar | what dual heads? |
| 01:41.49 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 01:41.51 | mikefoo_ | Question: Why when I echo contents into a file the timestamp for ls -lc changes? it is supposed to list change time as in change of inode info |
| 01:42.13 | bbelt16ag | what package has lspci in it? i need it to find out the type of nvidia card i got on this machine.. |
| 01:42.16 | curt | mfrisch, mot tried mailscanner .. I followed a m-a.o article and setup clamav .. it kicks 'em out here and there. |
| 01:42.35 | Azar | bbelt16ag: just type lspci |
| 01:42.41 | bbelt16ag | it does not work |
| 01:42.49 | PingFloyd | bbelt16ag: did you try as root? |
| 01:42.55 | bbelt16ag | bash: lspci: command not found |
| 01:42.57 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 01:43.04 | Azar | bb as root not as user |
| 01:43.05 | justin | !tell bbelt16ag about search |
| 01:43.19 | bbelt16ag | nm wrong machine |
| 01:43.20 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:43.23 | mfrisch | curt: I like mailscanner because it seperates the mta process from the scanning process |
| 01:43.38 | Azar | :D |
| 01:44.30 | PingFloyd | actually, it looks like I can run lspci as user on mine |
| 01:44.49 | Azar | hey when is valentine's day? that would be a nice Etch birthday |
| 01:45.20 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the 14th |
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| 01:45.36 | Azar | dondelelcaro: 14th of what month? |
| 01:45.46 | Azar | february? |
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| 01:46.11 | deadcat | what the fuck.. firefox always 90% cpu on me for no fuckin reason |
| 01:46.34 | dellthinker | Thats the netscape coming out =P |
| 01:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes. |
| 01:46.57 | deadcat | why is it on my "server" when i ps aux, the output seems to be according to PID (i am not saying its sorted by pid although it seems like it..) on all my other machines they are "sorted" by time of exec.. i want that (i have grsec, but so does my desktop) |
| 01:47.05 | Azar | all developers could then get chocolate dipped strawberries, a bottle of champaign and a free pr0n CD.. way to celebrate |
| 01:47.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you heard? i got a server. (= |
| 01:47.10 | strange_device | deadcat ceach if you don`t have some craashing ... |
| 01:47.19 | strange_device | deadcat check if you don`t have some craashing ... |
| 01:47.37 | deadcat | strange_device: nope. i just leave that on for a while.. |
| 01:47.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: cool; ps will generally order in order of exec and pid, but that's just because pids increment from 1 generally. |
| 01:47.50 | deadcat | strange_device: 32109 deadcat 25 0 167m 67m 19m R 89.2 6.6 669:08.39 firefox-bin |
| 01:47.53 | strange_device | deadcat what the version you are using? |
| 01:48.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: are you on a page that uses javascript? |
| 01:48.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. but sicne i have random pid with grsec... |
| 01:48.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: nope.. plain html |
| 01:48.28 | Azar | ewwww disable js..is poison |
| 01:48.33 | strange_device | probably some lame code in javascript :| |
| 01:48.34 | deadcat | strange_device: the one in sid |
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| 01:48.59 | PingFloyd | deadcat: got some kind of crazy extensions running? |
| 01:49.02 | strange_device | i was asking you your firefox version for curiosity :\ |
| 01:49.04 | dellthinker | Do i need to add a mode when i kill <pid> ? |
| 01:49.22 | deadcat | PingFloyd: adblock, web dev. maybe its the weather fox thing. |
| 01:49.38 | deadcat | dellthinker: no |
| 01:49.39 | PingFloyd | deadcat: try temporarily disabling them one by one |
| 01:49.45 | deadcat | PingFloyd: ok |
| 01:49.47 | PingFloyd | deadcat: and see if it changes |
| 01:49.50 | strange_device | probably javascript :\ |
| 01:49.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: heres the server i have: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/qube3tmp |
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| 01:50.07 | dellthinker | hrm.....the pid is still going... |
| 01:50.32 | GeorgeS069 | hi deadcat |
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| 01:50.50 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: hey.. working like a bitch. (= |
| 01:51.00 | PingFloyd | deadcat: also try disabling javascript first |
| 01:51.02 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: check the link ^^ |
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| 01:51.41 | GeorgeS069 | k |
| 01:52.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah, cool. |
| 01:52.27 | GeorgeS069 | awesome...good job deadcat |
| 01:53.18 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: yes.. it was the wrong cable.. i think i told you.. i even got the lcd to show teh temp.. although the lcd is in the back which do me no good |
| 01:53.57 | concept10 | Say for example, I have libdecoder.so in many directories, how could I delete all of them? |
| 01:54.15 | GeorgeS069 | did you use a null modem? |
| 01:54.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when i make menuconfig, i dont see the webcam usb drivers under v4l.. they are in the kernel tree. just aint showing up in menuconfig and i dont know what dependencies i need. |
| 01:54.32 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: for the install ya. |
| 01:54.55 | deadcat | GeorgeS069: the one that wasnt working was a female 9db and a printer conector i think.. |
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| 01:54.58 | shwag | how can I see what services have been started? |
| 01:55.06 | deadcat | shwag: ps aux |
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| 01:55.18 | Azar | .. or top |
| 01:55.29 | Azar | .. or better htop if you got it |
| 01:55.31 | dellthinker | lol |
| 01:55.37 | PingFloyd | deadcat: did you try enabling CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL? |
| 01:55.38 | GeorgeS069 | 25pin serial should be ilegal |
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| 01:55.42 | dellthinker | Welp. Thanx for the help all |
| 01:55.49 | dellthinker | debian is very nice. |
| 01:55.50 | PingFloyd | deadcat: some options don't show up without that |
| 01:55.51 | shwag | deadcat: there is no rc-status ? |
| 01:55.53 | strange_device | deadcat you shure ... this is one computer? |
| 01:55.53 | dellthinker | Peace out |
| 01:56.15 | strange_device | lol |
| 01:56.16 | strange_device | :) |
| 01:56.26 | deadcat | PingFloyd: ok |
| 01:56.39 | deadcat | shwag: HELL NO |
| 01:56.50 | deadcat | shwag: netstat -naptu |
| 01:57.28 | deadcat | PingFloyd: where would CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL located? |
| 01:58.08 | deadcat | PingFloyd: nevermind its already =y |
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| 02:02.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: tomorrow morning i go to LUGOD and let those guys take a look at the menuconfig, lets hope they can get my stuff running. (= |
| 02:02.55 | gpogo | is anyone familiar with the ruby1.9 package in etch? |
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| 02:06.56 | PingFloyd | deadcat: which config are you using? |
| 02:07.07 | PingFloyd | menuconfig? |
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| 02:09.49 | deadcat | PingFloyd: 2.6.19.1. you want to see the .config? |
| 02:10.18 | deadcat | PingFloyd: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/config |
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| 02:19.58 | roadfish | how do I parition and format a SATA harddrive? I have used cfdisk and mke2fs for old harddrives (PATA?). |
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| 02:20.20 | cureless | roadfish: hard drives look the same to the format/partition tools |
| 02:20.58 | roadfish | cureless: what dev should I use? /dev/sda? |
| 02:21.06 | Kryptor | roadfish: sata hard drives are emulated as scsi in linux, in your /dev folder look for sda |
| 02:21.10 | cureless | roadfish: (probably) what dev did it detected as? |
| 02:22.51 | roadfish | yikes! I just realized what I forgot! the SATA cable ... (hang head in shame) |
| 02:22.59 | roadfish | well, time to reboot |
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| 02:25.00 | Kryptor | LOL |
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| 02:29.51 | cagriekin | hi, anyone know how to set directory quota ? |
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| 02:31.15 | Mportnoy | Hello ihave 2 subnets 192.168.0 192.168.4 and I have to internet access on each subnets they are connected betwen cisco routers the 2 subnets, the problem is that I cant access the 192.168.4.2 ip address on the 192.168.0 subnet because the def gw is the internet access , how can I |
| 02:31.25 | Kryptor | i'm getting a locale problem with debian whenever i start a perl app, its a fresh install and i havent modified locale in anyway... can anyone assist? |
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| 02:32.59 | cureless | Mportnoy: what is your default netmask? |
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| 02:33.38 | GeorgeS069 | cagriekin: did you install the quota packages? |
| 02:34.11 | cagriekin | GeorgeS069: yes, but i couldn't find any tutorial or man about directory quotas |
| 02:34.12 | Mportnoy | cureless ? |
| 02:34.50 | cureless | Mportnoy: lets see, you have a computer, does it have 2 interfaces or 1? what network is it on? What's the netmask and the default gw? |
| 02:34.52 | Mportnoy | cureless : its 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.4.0/24 and then 2 public ip address on each gw |
| 02:34.52 | flixil | Kryptor: what's the message? |
| 02:35.15 | Mportnoy | ok let me explain better cureless |
| 02:35.49 | Kryptor | flixil: join #locale please so i can copy and paste it all |
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| 02:38.09 | cornernote | hello.. what package contains nslookup ? |
| 02:38.35 | Mportnoy | cureless: 1 Debian server with 2 nics 1 for public ip address and the other lan , thats subnet 192.168.0.0/24 , then the GW to access the other subnet is 192.168.0.48, subnet 192.168.4.0/24 has also debian with 2 nics, eth1 public ip address and eth0 for lan, GW access to go to subnet 192.168.0.0 is 192.168.4.1, but I cant Ping the ip address of the debian Server on the subnet 192.168.4.0 from the subnet 192.168.0.0 because |
| 02:38.56 | Mportnoy | cureless : its is ok now ? |
| 02:39.16 | GeorgeS069 | cagriekin: I can't either and I've never used quotas...maybe someone else can help |
| 02:39.21 | Kryptor | LANG="en" |
| 02:39.21 | Kryptor | LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 02:39.32 | cagriekin | GeorgeS069: thanks anyway |
| 02:39.33 | Kryptor | flixil: thats whats in my /etc/enviroment |
| 02:39.42 | cureless | Mportnoy: you got cut off, but 1 sec, let me see if I follow |
| 02:39.46 | flixil | LC_ALL ... |
| 02:39.49 | L4m3r | so, apparently fglrx doesn't support newer ATi cards. is there a tutorial someplace for installing the ATi drivers? |
| 02:39.59 | Kryptor | add LC_ALL=C; perl to the file? |
| 02:40.13 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: you're going to have to give us the routing tables on the machines that cannot ping eachother. |
| 02:40.21 | Mportnoy | ok hold |
| 02:41.17 | Mportnoy | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 02:41.17 | Mportnoy | 200.91.72.80 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:41.17 | Mportnoy | 192.168.4.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:41.17 | Mportnoy | default 200.91.72.81 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 02:41.30 | Mportnoy | ups sorry |
| 02:41.37 | cureless | I saw that coming |
| 02:41.57 | Mportnoy | 200.91.72.80 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 02:42.06 | Mportnoy | 192.168.4.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:42.06 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: use a paste site, don't paste it here. |
| 02:42.10 | cureless | Mportnoy: basically, you need to add an entry to your routing table for the other subnet that tells it to use the gateways you just gave us |
| 02:42.14 | flixil | LC=ALL=C can be a way |
| 02:42.38 | Mportnoy | default 200.91.72.81 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:42.49 | Mportnoy | thats for the 192.168.4.0 subnet Server |
| 02:42.57 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: DO NOT PASTE IT HERE. |
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| 02:43.53 | cureless | Mportnoy: you need something that says: something along the lines of : 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.48 255.255.255.0 UG ... eth0 |
| 02:43.54 | Mportnoy | dondelelcaro : /join #issue55 |
| 02:43.55 | nycc0de | Could someone tell me where do I configure X to fix my screen resolution ? |
| 02:44.03 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: use #flood or a paste site |
| 02:44.23 | cureless | Mportnoy: it's a basic route add command. |
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| 02:45.13 | Mportnoy | cureless: I cant ping from the 192.168.0.0 the 192.168.4.2 ip address, but I CAN ping 192.168.4.6 because its using the gW 192.168.4.1 |
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| 02:45.36 | cureless | huh? |
| 02:46.27 | nycc0de | dondelelcaro: How do I fix my screen resolution? |
| 02:46.29 | cureless | you need to describe your problem better. |
| 02:46.30 | Mportnoy | the new Debian has ip address 192.168.4.2 but that ip address does not have a gw configured |
| 02:46.41 | cornernote | does anyone know which file to edit to configure sendmail ? |
| 02:46.54 | cureless | Mportnoy: what do you mean address? don't you have gateways per network? |
| 02:47.07 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: /etc/mail/*; which file depends what you want to do. |
| 02:47.11 | cureless | cornernote: why do you want to use sendmail? |
| 02:47.12 | netgod | file, as in singular? :-) |
| 02:47.18 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: although, if you don't know how to configure sendmail, you're probably better off using postfix or exim. |
| 02:48.00 | cornernote | scalix uses sendmail |
| 02:48.03 | zophy | if i change the version of gcc on my system and then execute make in the linux source directory will the kernel be rebuilt ? |
| 02:48.23 | Mportnoy | this is the network structure: 2 servers, 2 nics each server, 2 subnets they are connected by routers with 128kb bandwidth, each subnet has its own Internet conecction |
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| 02:48.36 | cornernote | if i telnet cornernote.homeip.net 25 it allows connection, if i telnet mail.cornernote.homeip.net 25 it refuses connection |
| 02:48.36 | nycc0de | Could someone tell me how to fix my screen resolution ? |
| 02:48.37 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: eh? it probalby uses /usr/sbin/sendmail, not sendmail itself. |
| 02:48.57 | cornernote | when i telnet to it it says its sendmail |
| 02:49.13 | cornernote | ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3 |
| 02:49.19 | netgod | zophy: i'll take a guess and say no; make shouldnt act if the targets already appear to be built; best thing is to make clean first |
| 02:50.03 | cornernote | the /etc/mail/local-host-names has mail.cornernote.homeip.net ... but thats the connection that is refused |
| 02:50.18 | cureless | Mportnoy: So, each server has 1 nic to the outside 1 nic to a private net. Both private nets are connected with a router. right now you can't ping from one server to the other, right? |
| 02:50.32 | Mportnoy | yes because |
| 02:50.38 | cureless | cornernote: I think you're getting in over your head. |
| 02:50.44 | zophy | netgod, it seems to be rebuilding, but i won't trust it |
| 02:50.53 | cureless | Mportnoy: because what? |
| 02:51.02 | cornernote | cureless: i think i was over my head 2 days ago :) |
| 02:51.11 | Mportnoy | on the new server 192.168.4.2 , the default gw is the outsite, and the PRivate does not have a gw spefify |
| 02:51.14 | Mportnoy | specify |
| 02:51.16 | cornernote | i'm stumbling along... its just a learning project |
| 02:51.33 | cornernote | and thanks to a lot of help from irc and googling i have got this far |
| 02:51.43 | netgod | zophy: yeah it may be merely relinking the libraries and modules |
| 02:51.53 | dondelelcaro | cureless: it may use sendmail, but there's no reason that you need to use sendmail |
| 02:51.55 | cureless | Mportnoy: ok, we kind of have a picture of what you have. what do you want to achieve as a final result? |
| 02:51.57 | justin | Mportnoy: you make little sense. draw a picture |
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| 02:52.31 | cureless | cornernote: that last thing by dondelelcaro was for you. And I agree, you don't need to use sendmail. |
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| 02:52.43 | Mportnoy | I want to be able to ping from 192.168.0.0 subnet , the 192.168.4.2 server , |
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| 02:53.20 | cureless | Mportnoy: I assume you want each server to have as default gateway the normal internet connection, right? |
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| 02:53.24 | cornernote | i only need to make 1 small change to it... then it should work... if i change to a different mail server i risk breaking everything |
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| 02:53.39 | cureless | cornernote: what is a "small" change? |
| 02:53.44 | cornernote | i have read many places that sendmail isnt the best.. but from where i am at its easier |
| 02:53.46 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: ok... so what exactly are you trying to change? |
| 02:53.56 | Mportnoy | yes , they are doing MASQ for allcomputers |
| 02:54.22 | cornernote | cureless: i can connect to "telnet domain.com 25" but i get a connection refused from "telnet mail.domain.com 25" |
| 02:54.33 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: do those resolve to the same IP? |
| 02:54.36 | cornernote | i dont know whats blocking it |
| 02:54.40 | cureless | Mportnoy: ok, so basically, what you need is to set in each one a route to the other network, so it doesn't use the default gw |
| 02:54.57 | GeorgeS069 | cornernote: that sounds more like a dns issue |
| 02:55.06 | cornernote | yes.. the resolv.conf points to the dns running on the local box.. mail is a cname of domain.com |
| 02:55.10 | dondelelcaro | cureless: both of those work just fine here. |
| 02:55.12 | cornernote | i have checked with nslookup |
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| 02:55.15 | dondelelcaro | s/cureless/cornernote/ |
| 02:55.19 | cornernote | and they both point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:55.21 | Mportnoy | cureless : yes I try to do that But I was unable |
| 02:55.25 | L4m3r | anyone tried installing XGL on an ATi card? |
| 02:55.35 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: most likely you have a /etc/hosts entry which is wrong. Try pinging both addresses to see what it does. |
| 02:56.07 | Mportnoy | cureless: i did this ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 via 192.168.4.1 , and I can ping the 192.168.0.0 sub from sub 4.0. But from sub 0.0 to the ip address 192.168.4.2 I cant |
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| 02:56.20 | cornernote | ahh - mail goes to 127.0.1.1 |
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| 02:56.34 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: yes, and the reason why you can't is because you don't have the right gateway set for the 192.168.4/24 network on the machine you're pining from |
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| 02:56.50 | dondelelcaro | (well, most likely, anyway) |
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| 02:57.14 | cornernote | works! thanks dondelelcaro and cureless |
| 02:57.16 | cureless | Mportnoy: well, maybe it's because the other computer doesn't know how to reply? Meaning, it doesn't have a route back. You need to do the same (swich networks) on the other computer. |
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| 02:57.25 | Mportnoy | dondelelcaro: from 0.0 to 4.0 it works, but the problem is the server 192.168.4.2 |
| 02:57.45 | cureless | Mportnoy: you need to add a route in that server. |
| 02:57.46 | Mportnoy | cureless: yes its not responding, how can I fix it ? |
| 02:57.59 | dondelelcaro | Mportnoy: that directly contradicts what you just said; anyway, can you please paste the route output from these computers somewhere? |
| 02:58.02 | cureless | Mportnoy: run that command but on that server and with the right ips. |
| 02:58.03 | Mportnoy | cureless :what can we try ? |
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| 02:58.26 | Mportnoy | cureless |
| 02:58.28 | cureless | Mportnoy: log onto the other computer and run that command but for the first network |
| 02:58.33 | Mportnoy | cureless: what command can I try ? |
| 02:58.51 | Mportnoy | cureless: please put it explicit |
| 02:59.00 | justin | dondelelcaro: the sad thing is I see the same types of flailing all the time from people that should know better |
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| 02:59.31 | cureless | Mportnoy: you just showed me the command you used. |
| 02:59.42 | cureless | Mportnoy: why don't you use that as a baseline and try to figure it out? |
| 03:00.01 | Mportnoy | ip route add 192.168.4.2 via 192.168.4.1 ? |
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| 03:00.04 | cureless | Mportnoy: basically you need to tell the computer: To reach network X go through gateway Y |
| 03:00.04 | Mportnoy | does not work either |
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| 03:00.29 | cureless | Mportnoy: you want to reach a network, look at the command you pasted before. |
| 03:00.34 | dondelelcaro | justin: yeah, after a while I just stop paying attention |
| 03:00.53 | dondelelcaro | justin: you just become immune after a period of time |
| 03:00.55 | Mportnoy | ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 via 192.168.4.1 |
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| 03:01.08 | justin | dondelelcaro: it is my job to pay attention :-) |
| 03:01.09 | Mportnoy | ip route add 192.168.4.0/24 via 192.168.4.1 |
| 03:01.16 | cureless | Mportnoy: noooooo |
| 03:01.17 | protocol1 | sweet they updated the firefox in debian etch |
| 03:01.32 | protocol1 | its called Iceweasel now |
| 03:01.38 | cureless | Mportnoy: you can't access the gateway 4.1 if you don't have a route to 4.0 yet. |
| 03:01.47 | cureless | Mportnoy: you need to use the gateway on your network, the 0.0 |
| 03:02.18 | Mportnoy | the route on the server 192.168.0.120 its ip route add 192.168.4.0/24 via 192.168.0.48 |
| 03:02.34 | sshadowfax | hey.. how can i start gdm automatically on bootin ? |
| 03:02.39 | cureless | Mportnoy: that sounds plausible |
| 03:02.41 | justin | Mportnoy: draw a picture already |
| 03:02.56 | cureless | sshadowfax: it should be default when you install it |
| 03:03.03 | cureless | s/be/by/ |
| 03:03.37 | sshadowfax | cureless, i did get this option... i think so... |
| 03:03.51 | cureless | ? |
| 03:03.53 | sshadowfax | cureless, i didnt |
| 03:04.17 | Mportnoy | the problem is that subnet 0.0 cant ping 192.168.4.2 , but I cant ping 192.168.4.6 . ... |
| 03:04.21 | cureless | sshadowfax: if you install gdm it should be activated by default, or it should have given you a choice of other dms. |
| 03:04.37 | cureless | Mportnoy: what? |
| 03:04.59 | Mportnoy | I can ping 192.168.4.6 |
| 03:05.01 | Mportnoy | sorry for that |
| 03:05.04 | cureless | Mportnoy: I think you need to learn some more about networking or ask somebody there that knows more than you do. |
| 03:05.07 | sshadowfax | cureless, let me check... thx |
| 03:05.20 | cureless | sshadowfax: there's a file that determines what your ..... nevermind. |
| 03:06.27 | Mportnoy | cureless: you dont understand me |
| 03:06.35 | Mportnoy | cureless: thats the problem |
| 03:06.39 | justin | Mportnoy: draw a picture already |
| 03:06.46 | cureless | Mportnoy: you don't explain yourself correctly, that's the problem. |
| 03:07.04 | Mportnoy | cureless: I know |
| 03:07.12 | Mportnoy | nadie habla espanol ? |
| 03:07.15 | cureless | yo |
| 03:07.19 | cureless | but not here |
| 03:07.22 | Mportnoy | where ? |
| 03:07.25 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 03:07.37 | cureless | #debian-es |
| 03:07.59 | bbelt16ag | i just sent a webpage to the printer it was like 231k and i was wondering if i kill X will it keep printing? i know silliy question.. |
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| 03:09.41 | MatBoy | abrotman, ? |
| 03:09.53 | n00rul | . etch |
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| 03:10.24 | bbelt16ag | ok gonna try.. |
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| 03:23.42 | aubergine | Hi |
| 03:24.01 | aubergine | Does a Dual CPU Mainboard run with online one CPU ? |
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| 03:24.34 | cureless | k, time to head out, later |
| 03:24.59 | scruffy | aubergine: yeah, but the board might require you to plug in a dummy cpu card thingy into the empty slot |
| 03:26.11 | Eaglewolf | I'm trying to use debootstrap to install ubuntu on one of my systems, and I get an error "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/ubuntu mount -t proc proc /proc". I checked the debootstrap bug list and saw it there, but I was wondering if anyone knows how to get past that |
| 03:26.30 | Eaglewolf | install from debian to ubuntu^ |
| 03:27.46 | aubergine | switch in the chroot and check it out... |
| 03:28.36 | Eaglewolf | well |
| 03:28.52 | Eaglewolf | It would be a little hard to do the rest of the debootstrap script by hand |
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| 03:30.00 | aubergine | yes |
| 03:30.12 | aubergine | but you will probably see were the error is |
| 03:30.44 | Eaglewolf | alright, I'll try that once I finish what I'm trying atm |
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| 03:31.31 | nvz | is there some way to make firefox shut the hell up about missing plugins? aside from installing them of course.. also is there some way if I did install them to disable them when I dont want to use them, or disable them on a per-site basis? mostly regaurding flash.. I dont want to see the damn flash applets, but the missing plugin messages are almost as bad when you see enough of them |
| 03:31.39 | bbelt16a1 | hey peep |
| 03:31.40 | bbelt16a1 | s |
| 03:32.17 | bbelt16a1 | anybody know the name of this cool library that does open-gl visulations for media players and there is a xmms plugin? i forget the dang name andi just got opengl to work.. |
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| 03:34.33 | scruffy | bbelt16a1: re your previous printer question, next time use pstree and see if the print process is a child of X, if it is, then killing X will kill it. |
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| 03:35.19 | dan2 | how do I adjust the keyboard refresh rate |
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| 03:36.02 | dan2 | ~keyboard |
| 03:36.08 | apt | from memory, keyboard is The main input device on PCs, it consists of all the letters in the alphabet and the numbers 0 through 9. Usually, especially on computer keyboards, there are extra keys like cursor keys and function keys. |
| 03:36.15 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 03:36.29 | bbelt16a1 | well not important now since i got it to work.. w/o docs |
| 03:36.37 | GeorgeS069 | dan2: maybe in the BIOS settings? |
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| 03:37.24 | cld2 | when I do an apt-get upgrade, how come it lists some packages as being "held back"? thanks. |
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| 03:38.11 | mondel | is there a complete working etch system for downloading? |
| 03:38.13 | JordiGH | Those are packages that won't be upgraded because doing so causes more a mess than a conservative "upgrade" is willing to do. |
| 03:38.25 | JordiGH | If you want apt to be more aggressive about upgrading, do "dist-upgrade". |
| 03:38.30 | jayrfink | :w |
| 03:38.35 | jayrfink | oops |
| 03:38.45 | JordiGH | Best to use aptitude, though. Gives you much tighter control about how the update goes once you learn how to use it. |
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| 03:39.11 | yassine | gn8 everyone |
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| 03:39.40 | cld2 | JordiGH: thanks, when you say aptitude do you mean from the cli or the ncurses mode? |
| 03:40.09 | JordiGH | cld2: Either, but the ncurses mode is much better suited for fine-tuning stuff. |
| 03:40.11 | mondel | eh? |
| 03:40.39 | cld2 | JordiGH: do you know of a good doc for the ncurses mode. I just get so lost whenever I try to use it. |
| 03:40.52 | JordiGH | cld2: apt-get install aptitude-doc, I believe. |
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| 03:40.54 | JordiGH | !info aptitude-doc |
| 03:41.01 | cld2 | JordiGH: thanks much |
| 03:41.02 | JordiGH | It's an html doc, though. |
| 03:41.41 | JordiGH | Er, got it wrong. Whatever, just apt-cache search for it. You can read it with Lynx or whatever if you're X-phobic. |
| 03:42.17 | mondel | nowhere to download a complete, working etch system? |
| 03:42.34 | cld2 | mondel: what do you mean? where to get the cds? |
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| 03:42.39 | JordiGH | !tell mondel about d-i |
| 03:42.39 | cld2 | JordiGH: thanks. |
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| 03:44.16 | mondel | JordiGH: i don't want to install a complete etch system fr scratch. i want a copy of a completely installed and working etch system. |
| 03:44.26 | cld2 | netinst |
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| 03:44.33 | cld2 | will give you a complete working system. |
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| 03:45.18 | Roey | who hello, what's Linux's maximum file size (for XFS and ext3?) |
| 03:45.25 | Roey | can I make a 50-GB file? |
| 03:45.28 | GeorgeS069 | I think he wants a "live CD" |
| 03:45.56 | cld2 | Roey: I have a 1.1 TB mysql binary file on an xfs file system right now. |
| 03:46.04 | mondel | cld2: no, that would give only a base system. i want one with the OS plus whatever apps that were installed. |
| 03:46.09 | Roey | cld2: perfect, thanks :) |
| 03:46.16 | Roey | cld2: though i wonder how you back it up coherently |
| 03:46.30 | JordiGH | mondel: You want a livecd, then. debian-live |
| 03:46.31 | atula | quick question: is there a way to show timestamp on the "history" command? someone issued a command... but I dunno when... |
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| 03:46.43 | JordiGH | !debian-live |
| 03:46.47 | cld2 | I *think* ext3 gets a bit dodgy after about 20 gigs, Ive had problems with things larger then that on ext3 |
| 03:46.57 | Roey | cld2: well I mean I would only use this with xfs. |
| 03:46.57 | cld2 | Roey: lvm2 snap shot makes backups a sinch :) |
| 03:47.01 | Roey | cld2: eeeeeeeeek |
| 03:47.02 | Roey | lvm2. |
| 03:47.15 | cld2 | cinch, even. ? you dont like lvm? |
| 03:47.38 | mondel | JordiGH: more like it, but i want the stuff to be available online, so i can download to hd and start working fr there. |
| 03:47.45 | Roey | cld2: here's my thing with lvm: I want to be able to boot off of GRUB + lvm2 + softraid1, where / is XFS and /boot is ext3. |
| 03:47.57 | Roey | GRUB has issues, lvm has issues with booting / off of XFS. |
| 03:48.11 | cld2 | yeah I hear you, I dont use lvm for the /boot or /root |
| 03:48.13 | Roey | I *know for a fact* that LVM has issues with booting / off of xfs. |
| 03:48.18 | Roey | cld2: ahhh ok. |
| 03:48.19 | JordiGH | mondel: You're asking for an impossible task. Installation is not just copying files. It's also about configuration and hardware recognition. Whatever is installed on someone else's machine won't work on yours. |
| 03:48.24 | cld2 | i either let the hardware raid or softraid control that. |
| 03:48.25 | Roey | cld2: so what do you use for / ? or d you use a ramdisk image? |
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| 03:48.49 | JordiGH | mondel: a live cd also has to recognise your hardware during bootup. |
| 03:50.33 | cld2 | Roey: I have it setup as, /boot, swap and / on about 100gig drives, and depending on the hardware, its softraid (mdadm) or promise raid cards, and then I have the large raid partitions being built the same way, either soft or hard raid, with an lvm ontop of the meta device. |
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| 03:51.05 | Roey | but lvm does not manage /, you said, so which filesystem do you use for / ? |
| 03:51.23 | cld2 | oh. sorry didnt understand, ext3 for boot and / |
| 03:51.44 | mondel | JordiGH: i know that, so, it would be nice to have a 'live-installation' online, the user can download it, it can auto-detect hw or user need minimal hw config and the system is up and running. |
| 03:52.03 | Roey | cld2: ahh ok, and how large are they? |
| 03:52.09 | Roey | cld2: you probably have a small / |
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| 03:52.22 | Roey | (but then how do you divide your filesystems?) |
| 03:52.29 | Roey | I have /, /boot, /home. |
| 03:52.35 | Roey | and / is on xfs + softraid |
| 03:52.38 | JordiGH | mondel: Code it yourself. Start a sourceforge entry. You're asking for a complex task almost nobody wants right now. |
| 03:52.57 | Roey | cld2: GRUB doesn't understand it so I use LILO. |
| 03:53.04 | cld2 | Roey: /boot - 100meg swap, something like 8-16gb and / is the rest ~80 gig |
| 03:53.13 | Roey | cld2: I'd use LVM for snapshots but... sigh... it doesn't understand / on XFS |
| 03:53.25 | Roey | cld2: nice. |
| 03:53.50 | Roey | cld2: so your OS file live on an ext3 filesystem/ |
| 03:53.51 | Roey | ? |
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| 03:54.25 | cld2 | Roey: correct. Ive never had reason to use anything but ext3, and for sub 500gig partitions, like / its never given me ANY problems. |
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| 03:54.34 | bbelt16a1 | anybody here use lib-visual"? |
| 03:54.38 | mondel | JordiGH: that was my intention. nodbody wants it? installing a complete system online rather than fr cd's, not an attractive idea? |
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| 03:54.56 | Roey | cld2: doesn't it still try to force an fsck on you ever 20 mounts though? |
| 03:55.12 | Roey | cld2: see I couldn't stand that stuff so that';s why I moved to xfs entirely....BUT... it means I can't use lvm. |
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| 03:55.27 | atula | quick question: is there a way to show timestamp on the "history" command? someone issued a command... but I dunno when... |
| 03:56.12 | cld2 | Roey: yeah, 180 days or 20 mounts or something. but its not a big deal for 80 gigs, and besides I dont think these boxes even get rebooted every 180 days. |
| 03:56.13 | JordiGH | mondel: the netinstall already kinda does what you want to do. It installs a minimal Debian system and gets packages from online as demand. |
| 03:56.23 | Roey | cld2: hmm ok |
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| 03:56.38 | Roey | cld2: I ask because I will need to make these decisions when I get a new PC. |
| 03:56.46 | cld2 | Roey: and you can set those parameters when you make the ext3 fs |
| 03:56.57 | Roey | I know |
| 03:57.30 | Roey | heh, this fsck-after-twenty-mounts default ends up giving me the feeling that ext3 is somehow paper-thin and yhou can punch a hole through it easily. |
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| 03:57.37 | cld2 | Roey: for the servers. I was using ext3 for everything and then it flipped out, so I moved the raid parts to xfs. no reason to change the /boot and /. ext3 in a "small" FS is so freaking rock solid IMHO. |
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| 03:57.59 | Roey | cld2: but that includes all the OS files~!! |
| 03:58.08 | Roey | cld2: I *wish* they fix GRUB for lvm+xfs. |
| 03:58.36 | dondelelcaro | there's no resaon not to fsck the drive |
| 03:58.36 | Roey | I guess I coudl boot with a ramdisk. |
| 03:58.37 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: exactly, its trivial , maybe adds another 1 min or so |
| 03:58.52 | cld2 | Roey: thats an option, or boot from a usb drive? |
| 03:59.03 | Roey | what do you mean, boot from usb? |
| 03:59.11 | samAA | hi, I had a HD crash, and many files were deleted, is there a way to find out which installed packages had their files deleted |
| 03:59.11 | dondelelcaro | indeed, XFS gets some rather weird forms of "zeroed data" corruption as well... |
| 03:59.21 | samAA | most pkg maagers have a verify option |
| 03:59.22 | Roey | I mean that if I have a ramdisk image so that / is loaded into /ram/ instead of being located on-disk.. |
| 03:59.26 | dondelelcaro | samAA: you can check the md5sums of all of the files. |
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| 03:59.32 | bbelt16a1 | hey peeps where are the OpenGL and Glu headers |
| 03:59.44 | Roey | dondelelcaro: oh I didn't know that. I heard it happens in *pathological* cases |
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| 04:00.03 | JordiGH | bbelt16a1: glut-dev or something like that, I think. |
| 04:00.20 | dondelelcaro | Roey: multiple people have come in here complaining of it... so I've no idea how pathologically they were using their computers... |
| 04:00.36 | mondel | JordiGH: sort of. what i have in mind include apps like kde, office packages, broswsers, video packages, etc. Most people will want to have a complete system with common apps to start with. Later on, they would decide which particular wordprocessor, spreadsheet, browser they prefer or want to try. |
| 04:00.36 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 04:00.49 | cld2 | Roey: have you looked at jfs. Ive only used it for AIX and its nice once you get used to the funky bits about it. |
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| 04:01.19 | unlink | why does rsync over ssh hang after it's done transferring? |
| 04:01.36 | cld2 | unlink: are you using keys or password for auth? |
| 04:01.38 | dondelelcaro | unlink: it doesn't? |
| 04:01.45 | samAA | dondelelcaro: yeah, I was wondering if dpkg/apt have a built in option |
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| 04:02.03 | unlink | cld2: keys |
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| 04:02.18 | unseensoul | hi |
| 04:02.49 | cld2 | unlink: if you find the answer please tell me. my rsyncs do the same with keys but not with passwords. but they eventually drop the connection. |
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| 04:03.16 | unlink | the problem doesn't exist with plain rsyncd |
| 04:03.26 | unseensoul | i can't view pdf files in the browser. i have mozplugger package installed. what's happening? |
| 04:03.36 | Roey | cld2: funky bits? |
| 04:03.39 | cld2 | unlink: yeah Im pretty sure it has to do with ssh |
| 04:03.41 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: verify packages is <reply> To verify the contents of debian packages, you can either install and use debsums, or you can cd /; find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -type f -name '*.md5sums' -print0|xargs -0 md5sum -c|grep -v ' OK'; |
| 04:03.41 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 04:03.44 | Roey | cld2: what do you like about it? |
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| 04:04.08 | dondelelcaro | unlink: which version of rsync? |
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| 04:05.36 | cld2 | Roey: at least in AIX it has some strangeness to it, but the IBM peeps call them features, like if you suspect some FS problems you can duplicate the journal and use a second journal. I dont really like it per say, it just solid. its IBM, they know how to make software. Also depends on the application, like sometimes JFS takes a long time to delete larger files. |
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| 04:06.31 | unlink | dondelelcaro: 2.6.9 |
| 04:06.51 | dondelelcaro | unlink: hrm. I'm using 2.6.9-3 and I've never seen that problem. |
| 04:07.26 | dondelelcaro | unlink: which version of ssh? are you connecting to machines running Debian with the same version of rsync and ssh at both ends? |
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| 04:07.53 | Roey | cld2: well fro what I understand, jfs is good at smaller files |
| 04:07.54 | cld2 | I think its really a moot point when it comes to home use. just use what you need. if you need to have a massive FS or massive files, try xfs or jfs, if you need medium sized files try reiser. I know for a fact that even in our production environment we come now where near touching the speed/performance limits of either ext3, xfs, reiser, or jfs so it was just a matter of picking the best FS for large files. |
| 04:08.17 | Roey | cld2: ohhhhh ok |
| 04:08.23 | dondelelcaro | in production, I pretty much won't run anything but ext2, actually. |
| 04:08.30 | cld2 | Roey: correct. the caching servers at my work use jfs for the cache. |
| 04:08.35 | dondelelcaro | unless I have very specific reasons to use another filesystem |
| 04:08.39 | Roey | cld2: hmm I am just stuck thinking of how to make it so that I can boot with lvm+softraid+xfs on / |
| 04:08.54 | dondelelcaro | Roey: you make a /boot which is not xfs. |
| 04:08.59 | Roey | cld2: debian's always pushing to use grub, which doesn't understand xfs on / |
| 04:09.03 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: yeah, exactly. I feel that way about ext3 - unless I see something going haywire and I know its ext3 im going to default to that fs. its tried and true. |
| 04:09.08 | unseensoul | i can't view pdf files in the browser. i have mozplugger package installed. what's happening? |
| 04:09.09 | Roey | dondelelcaro: well that's what I have now. |
| 04:09.15 | Roey | dondelelcaro: I have /boot on ext3. |
| 04:09.19 | dondelelcaro | Roey: that's all you need. |
| 04:09.44 | Roey | dondelelcaro: in that case, grub's work is done? |
| 04:09.49 | dondelelcaro | grub doesn't care at all about the root filesystem; it only cares about the filesystem on which the kernels are located. |
| 04:09.54 | Roey | ok. |
| 04:10.09 | Roey | dondelelcaro: I think my original problem was that I also wanted /boot on lvm. |
| 04:10.11 | unlink | dondelelcaro: OpenSSH 4.3p2 on the client, dropbear 0.48 on the server |
| 04:10.13 | cld2 | some people even say ext2 for /boot anything else is just un needed hassle if there is a problem. |
| 04:10.19 | bbelt16a1 | hey will installing mesa files messup my newly configured opengl configuration? |
| 04:10.25 | bbelt16a1 | or screw up my nvidia drivers |
| 04:10.26 | dondelelcaro | unlink: uh... dropbear? |
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| 04:10.56 | dondelelcaro | blech. Wanna guess what the problem likely is? |
| 04:11.08 | unlink | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 04:11.20 | unlink | dondelelcaro: dropbear is an embedded ssh server |
| 04:11.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's quite possibly part of the problem |
| 04:11.49 | bbelt16a1 | i'll take that as a no.. |
| 04:12.31 | cld2 | bbelt16a1: just having the files installed should be no problem unless here is some debconf portion that tries to recreate the xorg.conf |
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| 04:12.38 | unlink | dondelelcaro: because you've never heard of it? |
| 04:12.55 | cld2 | unlink: what kind of system is this that you need to use dropbear and not openssh? |
| 04:13.10 | unlink | cld2: an nslu2 |
| 04:13.10 | cld2 | like wrtg54l or something? |
| 04:13.12 | cld2 | ah |
| 04:13.16 | bbelt16a1 | ok i will watch it.. |
| 04:13.16 | cld2 | a slug :) |
| 04:13.31 | bbelt16a1 | it didnt prompt me to configure x thankgoodnesss |
| 04:13.40 | dondelelcaro | unlink: no, just because I'm using openssh at both ends here, and I've never seen this problem. |
| 04:14.02 | cld2 | unlink: where the keys created with openssh or dropbear? |
| 04:14.12 | unlink | openssh |
| 04:14.49 | cld2 | I also have problems with openssh keys inter-operating with say f-secure ssh, just fyi. can you create the keys in dropbear? for this task? |
| 04:16.49 | dondelelcaro | unlink: do you see this problem when connecting to other machines running openssh? |
| 04:17.27 | unlink | haven't tried |
| 04:17.34 | unlink | i.e., i don't rememeber |
| 04:18.05 | dondelelcaro | I'd suggest doing that first; that'll let you know whether you should be concentrating on debugging dropbear or rsync |
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| 04:21.08 | curt | s/vsftps/vsftpd/ |
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| 04:28.13 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i tried with a different machine, no hang with openssh or dropbear... |
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| 04:30.18 | curt | gookshit, no but there are list based in ip useful where name base hosting is used |
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| 04:31.51 | stew | LoRez: ^ |
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| 04:32.42 | LoRez | klined |
| 04:32.50 | stew | LoRez: thanks |
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| 04:33.13 | LoRez | np |
| 04:33.17 | GeorgeS069 | wtf was all that? |
| 04:33.25 | LoRez | dcc exploit |
| 04:33.35 | GeorgeS069 | ahhh..ok...ty |
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| 04:34.22 | PingFloyd | what's it supposed to do? |
| 04:35.14 | stew | PingFloyd: notice how a lot of people quit and then rejoined... that was their router with a bug |
| 04:35.19 | GeorgeS069 | seemed to just cause a few to disconnect |
| 04:35.29 | GeorgeS069 | probably all using the same irc client |
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| 04:38.41 | parsonsd | alright : what is different between xterm and gnome-terminal with regards to alt-keys. I've been looking at xmodmap and $TERM to see if I can find any differences, but I see none. |
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| 04:41.05 | parsonsd | I'm looking to see why in xterm, I cannot create the alt-keys to jump between channels and instead get printable chars; in gnome-terminal, alt gives jumps between channels (which is what the irssi man page says it should do). The printable chars are ones that gnome-terminal help (NOT a man page, or info) says are printable with some sort of palette. |
| 04:41.16 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: you want XTerm*eightBitInput: false |
| 04:41.16 | dondelelcaro | XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
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| 04:53.29 | Azar | hmmmm when I finish my nethack game the xterm closes.... is that normal? |
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| 04:56.27 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : scary |
| 04:56.35 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : thanks! |
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| 04:59.13 | parsonsd | exit |
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| 04:59.50 | scruffy | Azar: how'd ya launch it? |
| 04:59.58 | bbelt16a1 | anybody use libvisual? with xmms? i need some help compiling libvisual 0.2 |
| 05:00.00 | bbelt16a1 | pls? |
| 05:02.54 | scruffy | bbelt16a1: perhaps you've realized this, and you want to compile your own for some reason, but did you know that a libvisual package already exists? |
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| 05:05.07 | bbelt16a1 | well. the xmms plugin is for only 0.2.0 and the .4 is the only one in apt-get repo |
| 05:05.45 | bbelt16a1 | so i have to compile from soure and i am getting errore with ./configure |
| 05:06.15 | bbelt16a1 | checking for libvisual = 0.2.0... configure: error: libvisual not found, libvisual is needed to build this package, |
| 05:06.21 | bbelt16a1 | see? |
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| 05:06.48 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: you get that error when compiling libvisual? |
| 05:06.57 | Psy-X | sup? |
| 05:07.35 | bbelt16ag | yes |
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| 05:08.41 | bbelt16ag | something about mmx |
| 05:08.56 | bbelt16ag | configure works fine.. |
| 05:08.58 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: that's possibly the dumbest error I've seen in the past year |
| 05:09.01 | bbelt16ag | make has the problem |
| 05:09.07 | bbelt16ag | there are several |
| 05:09.18 | bbelt16ag | lv_video_mmx.c: In function '_lv_blit_overlay_alpha32_mmx': |
| 05:09.19 | bbelt16ag | lv_video_mmx.c:60: error: unknown register name 'mm6' in 'asm' |
| 05:09.29 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: are you telling me libvisual requires libvisual to compile? |
| 05:09.42 | bbelt16ag | what? |
| 05:09.45 | liable | bbelt16ag: scroll up and find the first error |
| 05:10.07 | bbelt16ag | that is the first error |
| 05:10.16 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: pwd |
| 05:10.38 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to compil libvisual 0.2.0 so i can use xmms-plugin libvisual |
| 05:10.38 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 05:11.03 | bbelt16ag | /home/erin/libvisual-0.2.0 |
| 05:11.33 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: is that directory where you're getting this? --> checking for libvisual = 0.2.0... configure: error: libvisual not found, libvisual is needed to build this package, |
| 05:11.41 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 05:12.10 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 05:12.38 | bbelt16ag | ok start over.. |
| 05:12.39 | bbelt16ag | here is the erroe i need help with i know what ur talking about.. |
| 05:12.57 | bbelt16ag | lv_video_mmx.c: In function '_lv_blit_overlay_alpha32_mmx': |
| 05:12.57 | bbelt16ag | lv_video_mmx.c:60: error: unknown register name 'mm6' in 'asm' |
| 05:13.17 | markybob | if superman's power comes from our yellow sun, how is he still superhuman at night, when the entire earth is blocking out the sun? |
| 05:13.42 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: install libvisual-0.2.0 into /usr/local (./configure --prefix=/usr/local), then try to build the other |
| 05:13.59 | bbelt16ag | thats what i am trying to tell you.. |
| 05:14.04 | bbelt16ag | libvisual will not compile |
| 05:14.26 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: then I've no idea.. |
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| 05:14.32 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 05:14.50 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: some missing dev libraries probably.. which ones? i dunno |
| 05:15.33 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: is there a README or INSTALL file in the tarball for libvisual-0.2.0? it might talk about any requirements |
| 05:15.33 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 05:15.37 | bbelt16ag | yes |
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| 05:16.06 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: well when it talks about requirements, you might need those sources also, I'm not sure. |
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| 05:16.47 | bcstv | I get an error when i compile that says: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
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| 05:17.00 | bcstv | what do i need? |
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| 05:17.30 | scruffy | markybob: maybe superman utilizes the neutrinos hehe |
| 05:18.11 | dan2 | scruffy, I upgraded my BIOS (it was like 10 versions behind ... :) turned on PnP OS setting in BIOS |
| 05:18.12 | scruffy | bcstv: probably apt-get -u install libxml-perl |
| 05:18.17 | dan2 | scruffy, everything is working flawlessly now |
| 05:18.20 | bbelt16ag | nope |
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| 05:18.27 | bbelt16ag | i think its an error in the c files |
| 05:18.34 | markybob | scruffy, stupid questions are what i come up with while watching smallville drunk. sorry :) |
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| 05:19.01 | scruffy | bbelt16ag: was talking to bcstv |
| 05:19.10 | scruffy | dan2: *confused* did you mean me? |
| 05:19.14 | dan2 | scruffy, yes |
| 05:19.23 | scruffy | dan2: what was the subject? :D |
| 05:19.25 | dan2 | scruffy, remember I was talking about nvidia card and mouse and keyboard lockups |
| 05:19.30 | dan2 | last night or night before |
| 05:20.10 | bbelt16ag | i know bye |
| 05:20.36 | scruffy | dan2: ohhhh... |
| 05:20.53 | liable | i should be able to alter a file in an iso if its mounted from a hard drive shouldnt i? |
| 05:21.09 | scruffy | dan2: hey, that's probably not the reason mine is going it then.. I'm just going to ignore mine until something gets hosed |
| 05:21.18 | dan2 | heh |
| 05:21.20 | scruffy | dan2: s/going/doing/ |
| 05:21.39 | scruffy | liable: I think so.. make a backup of the iso first |
| 05:22.17 | Azar | hi scruffy, I used to play it while cli only, now I am using xterm.. but it got fixed :) |
| 05:22.44 | Azar | ... and losing game after game |
| 05:22.54 | scruffy | Azar: ah, I was going to say that if you launched it from a desktop icon or something, it might close automatically when you exit, not sure. What was the fix? |
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| 05:23.05 | pickcoder | liable: no |
| 05:23.13 | pickcoder | iso's are read-only |
| 05:23.27 | scruffy | pickcoder: even when mounted on a loop device? |
| 05:23.29 | Azar | scruffy: I guess the answer lies on how do you reply to questions when the game ends |
| 05:23.30 | pickcoder | but you can recreate the iso if you mount it and copy the files |
| 05:23.36 | markybob | pickcoder, not if you mount it |
| 05:23.39 | bcstv | scruffy: that worked Thank You! |
| 05:23.45 | scruffy | bcstv: awesome |
| 05:23.50 | Azar | I just "n" for each question and the xterm did not close anymore |
| 05:24.00 | markybob | liable, mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt && vi /mnt/foolio && umount /mnt |
| 05:24.08 | markybob | liable, and there you go, altered file in your iso |
| 05:24.28 | dan2 | how come debian doesn't ship with xchat's native dark theme? |
| 05:24.43 | liable | markybob: for some reason it doesnt like it, even after remount rw, i cant even chmod the file i need to alter |
| 05:24.53 | scruffy | dan2: my guess is a possible license issue |
| 05:24.58 | Azar | dan2: debian does not need to sheep anything with... it lets you pick install configure |
| 05:25.18 | dan2 | scruffy, heh, just want it downloaded again |
| 05:25.24 | markybob | liable, chmod/chown the iso itself. make sure it's good to go before mounting |
| 05:25.25 | Azar | scruffy: xchat is proprietary software? |
| 05:25.45 | Guerin | Azar: no, but that don't mean some addons aren't. |
| 05:25.54 | Azar | Guerin: I see.. |
| 05:25.57 | Guerin | Azar: windows builds of it are, for instance |
| 05:25.59 | scruffy | Azar: don't know, but the theme might have issues.. just a wild guess though. I've never used xchat |
| 05:26.07 | Guerin | *official* windows builds |
| 05:26.34 | Azar | yeah it makes sense xchat, mirc and others were originally built for windows therefore "borrowing" stuff from it |
| 05:26.44 | Guerin | well |
| 05:26.48 | Guerin | not really |
| 05:26.49 | markybob | Azar, xchat was not originally built for windows |
| 05:26.55 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 05:26.59 | markybob | fucking fud |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | and it's not at all axiomatic that a program built for a proprietary OS must be proprietary |
| 05:27.15 | liable | markybob: nope, keeps whining about a readonly file system |
| 05:27.25 | Azar | markybob: well good to know, I never used such stuff... |
| 05:27.32 | dan2 | ok |
| 05:27.37 | Guerin | markybob: you can't edit an iso9660 |
| 05:27.39 | dan2 | this is finally the way I wanted it |
| 05:27.42 | dan2 | no X crashes |
| 05:27.44 | liable | i am gonna have to copy the files, then alter it, then make the iso i guess |
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| 05:27.49 | dan2 | mouse/keyboard works |
| 05:27.51 | dan2 | vmware works |
| 05:27.53 | dan2 | :) |
| 05:27.56 | Guerin | liable: you have to extract the iso and then use mkisofs again |
| 05:27.57 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:28.16 | dan2 | and just got dealt lucky 7s |
| 05:28.31 | liable | Guerin: thats a fuck. a dvd worth to alter the name of a stupid fucking zip file.. |
| 05:28.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:29.41 | Wyzard | grr... snd_hda_intel has its channel mappings all screwed up |
| 05:29.55 | markybob | Wyzard, depends on the kernel. |
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| 05:30.12 | Wyzard | markybob: 2.6.18 on both an ICH6 and an ICH8 |
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| 05:30.25 | scruffy | markybob: the good thing about being drunk is that you take on random super powers |
| 05:30.30 | markybob | Wyzard, i had the same problem with 2.6.18. working great in 2.6.20rc4. |
| 05:30.53 | markybob | scruffy, high? ;) |
| 05:30.56 | Wyzard | markybob: On the ICH8 system I have 5.1 speakers and the "Surround" mixer controls the front, "Center" controls the rear right, "LFE" controls the rear left, and "Side" controls the center |
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| 05:31.14 | madd_matt | The partition I plan to install debian on already contains data. I want to partition a new disk and move the data over to it. Can I do that with the installer or will I need to use a liveCD first? |
| 05:31.16 | iwkse | hi all, i can set gdm resolution? I get a gdm resolution different from gnome one... |
| 05:31.50 | scruffy | markybob: nope, not high.. |
| 05:31.53 | Wyzard | madd_matt: I believe the installer's partitioner has a "copy data to another partition" option, but I've never used it |
| 05:31.54 | Guerin | madd_matt: hm, i think you can do it in the installer, but I never have |
| 05:32.02 | Guerin | snap ;) |
| 05:32.14 | Guerin | madd_matt: you get to be the guinea pig |
| 05:32.16 | madd_matt | Perhaps my best bet is to boot a knoppix disk first and prep my disks. |
| 05:32.19 | markybob | iwkse, isnt it the default resolution in xorg.conf? while x uses the last user-set res? i dont use gdm, so i'm not sure. |
| 05:32.38 | iwkse | markybob: it should..but doesn't work |
| 05:33.50 | markybob | iwkse, ubuntu forum, but the info should be the same: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21719.html |
| 05:33.59 | iwkse | markybob: gdm should keep first defined resolution in the resolution list.. |
| 05:34.28 | markybob | iwkse, i see |
| 05:34.30 | iwkse | markybob: i removed all resolutions i don't need, and put as first that one of gnome |
| 05:34.47 | iwkse | it worked with debian drivers |
| 05:34.54 | iwkse | but i installed fglrx.. |
| 05:35.01 | iwkse | and now doesn't follow more..brb |
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| 05:36.27 | iwkse | i'll try one thing..now |
| 05:37.36 | Wyzard | iwkse: If you're using a modern LCD monitor, you probably don't even need to specify resolutions at all... the monitor itself can report its preferred video mode and X will use that |
| 05:37.43 | iwkse | no.. |
| 05:37.54 | iwkse | i'm using an old big monitor;) |
| 05:37.55 | Wyzard | iwkse: Might work for modern CRTs too; I don't know |
| 05:38.19 | iwkse | viewsonic e96f+ |
| 05:38.40 | Wyzard | nevermind then |
| 05:38.48 | markybob | iwkse, i imagine your sync rates were set and copied from the manual? |
| 05:38.59 | SergoTT | what is the most powerfull distro |
| 05:39.10 | markybob | SergoTT, dont be stupid. you're in #debian |
| 05:39.11 | iwkse | markybob: i forgot to check this.. |
| 05:39.15 | iwkse | i must now.. |
| 05:39.22 | SergoTT | sorry |
| 05:39.24 | Wyzard | SergoTT: There's no single best -- each has its strengths and weaknesses -- but Debian is a pretty good one :-) |
| 05:39.24 | iwkse | SergoTT: ask it here #ubuntu |
| 05:40.11 | GeorgeS069 | Most powerful has to be win95...it was sooo powerful it crashed millions of PC's daily for years |
| 05:40.20 | iwkse | lol |
| 05:40.55 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: We're talking about operating systems, not malware ;-) |
| 05:41.27 | bsdboy | How can a distro be "powerful" |
| 05:41.27 | iwkse | markybob: weird..isn't explicited in xorg, syncs |
| 05:41.36 | bsdboy | Does it mean it can blow up more things.. or? |
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| 05:45.51 | Azar | what is "best" for me might be "awful" for you..... |
| 05:46.38 | SergoTT | bsdboy nope |
| 05:46.40 | pickcoder | Win98 was worst |
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| 05:46.46 | SergoTT | with minimum bugs |
| 05:46.58 | Azar | win 3.0 was best |
| 05:47.09 | Azar | wait no, dos was better yet |
| 05:47.57 | bsdboy | Windows XP is the best :D |
| 05:48.22 | enouf | wtf? XPoop .. stinks to high hell .. |
| 05:48.39 | bsdboy | See, everyone has their own opinions. |
| 05:48.48 | Azar | believe it or not, the launch of the gui left me very disconcerted and with a sad feeling. |
| 05:48.58 | GeorgeS069 | I think he meant best of the Windows...not best overall |
| 05:49.13 | enouf | it still stanky baitch |
| 05:49.18 | Azar | windows was never good, this os was allways evil |
| 05:49.19 | bsdboy | Actually, I'd still consider Windows XP an excellent desktop operating system. |
| 05:49.23 | enouf | it's* a |
| 05:49.37 | Azar | bsdboy: did you ever agreed with the eula terms? |
| 05:49.38 | bsdboy | Microsoft wasn't made out to make servers, for that there is Linux, *BSD, etc. |
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| 05:49.57 | bsdboy | I still think it's whatever works for the person best, and the tool that fits the job. |
| 05:49.57 | Azar | did you? |
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| 05:50.05 | bsdboy | Not really. |
| 05:50.15 | GeorgeS069 | I'll sort of agree to that...debian on my servers and XP on the workstations and laptops |
| 05:50.19 | enouf | any Debian questions out there .. ho hum .. atleast 98 I can ferret out all the ms crud/malware .. try on XPoop .. you end up smelling like a turd .. hahah |
| 05:50.22 | Azar | but you said "yes" to it anyhow |
| 05:50.27 | bsdboy | I didn't. |
| 05:50.32 | bsdboy | That EULA is useless. |
| 05:50.38 | Azar | you think so |
| 05:50.55 | Azar | the eula is good only for one thing: to show everyone how shepless are some |
| 05:51.15 | Azar | you agree and use it, you have no spine |
| 05:51.21 | bsdboy | Really? |
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| 05:51.34 | bsdboy | I have no spine, because.. Just maybe, I have some use for Windows? |
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| 05:52.18 | tuv | if you can handle its frequent crashes.. go ahead |
| 05:52.19 | bsdboy | Maybe because up until a few years ago, there wasn't really any other contender out there for desktop operating systems, and a large majority of people would argue there still isn't. Now don't get me wrong, I have *nix desktops.. |
| 05:52.21 | enouf | I have use for my toilet .. it certainly serves it's purpose |
| 05:52.41 | De_Mon | enouf I got rid of everything but iexploer, which quite frankly I had to keep to use some websites anyways |
| 05:52.58 | Azar | bsdboy: I worked with unix systems until XP came out. Then the company changed for XP I pitty me and them |
| 05:53.00 | bsdboy | tuv, eh? And any other kernel doesn't crash? |
| 05:53.08 | pickcoder | I haven't had XP Pro go south on any of the machines I've purchased recently |
| 05:53.09 | enouf | I vociferously evade those types of sites |
| 05:53.21 | pickcoder | same for Debian, except for a bug in 2.6.17 on Etch a month or so ago |
| 05:53.42 | Azar | and for gaming, excuseme commodore , amiga and later sony's systems were/are even better than gaming on a windows PC |
| 05:53.50 | bsdboy | tuv, because I'm pretty sure.. at least in my experience, if you aren't using crap drivers. Which can happen with ANY kernel, if you load bad drivers.. You're going to have problems. |
| 05:53.53 | tuv | bsdboy, not remotely as frequent! unless it's still under development |
| 05:53.55 | dondelelcaro | whether you're for or against windows, it's totally OT here. |
| 05:53.55 | enouf | but mine is noit to judge per se // let's get back to on topic .. otherwise I'm sure .. denegration shall befall upon us |
| 05:54.07 | De_Mon | ya Im going to change banks because their website dosent work on firefox. Oh, and tell the clients whom I support that they have to find someone else because I refuse to use their software on pricipal. sure. |
| 05:54.10 | Azar | ok we stop it, sorry dondelecaro |
| 05:54.40 | Azar | De_Mon: why banking online then? boycott them. Use the telephone |
| 05:54.47 | De_Mon | time |
| 05:54.48 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: what's odd, is that I've done both of those. |
| 05:54.49 | enouf | De_Mon: you wouldn't be the first .. that's all I'll say about it .. |
| 05:55.06 | pickcoder | Azar: maybe we should go back to using abacuses too |
| 05:55.07 | curt | 2nd |
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| 05:55.14 | bsdboy | Ah.. Or you could you know, get out in the real world.. and visit the bank in person! |
| 05:55.23 | liable | hrm, lets see how --iso-level 4 goes |
| 05:55.28 | Azar | pickcoder: I will use online banking when it will be safe enough to do so: like never? |
| 05:55.29 | bsdboy | As scary as that sounds, it *is* possible! |
| 05:55.30 | De_Mon | l leave my house? do people still do that *gasp* |
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| 05:55.46 | markybob | Azar, depends. i'd trust singapore's ;) |
| 05:55.48 | Azar | what's wrong with using automated teller over the phone? |
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| 05:56.01 | De_Mon | I tried going to the bank once last month, saw the 30min line and said screw that! |
| 05:56.14 | man_in_ltop | what's the standard method for configuring network cards in debian? |
| 05:56.18 | bsdboy | What bank are you with, De_Mon? |
| 05:56.21 | Azar | markybob: did you see today in the news ? swiss bank net-robbed..... whod' think |
| 05:56.22 | dondelelcaro | man_in_ltop: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:56.25 | bsdboy | man_in_ltop: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:56.35 | bsdboy | Azar: That's user stupidity, it has nothing to do with the bank .. |
| 05:56.38 | enouf | man_in_ltop: man interfaces ans see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 05:56.38 | markybob | Azar, nah, i'm one of the good guys :) |
| 05:56.39 | man_in_ltop | :| so there's no etherconf package any more? |
| 05:56.40 | pickcoder | Azar: it was probably an internal job |
| 05:56.49 | Azar | markybob: you know I trust you allways |
| 05:56.58 | De_Mon | bsdboy first national |
| 05:56.59 | bsdboy | Wasn't it.. trojans on the clients computers? |
| 05:57.03 | Azar | pickcoder: fake bank website mailed to customers |
| 05:57.06 | enouf | man_in_ltop: DE's have config tools |
| 05:57.15 | bsdboy | Thats totally not the fault of the bank.. |
| 05:57.22 | enouf | man_in_ltop: there's also ethtool for info .. ifconfig and such |
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| 05:57.41 | tuv | man_in_ltop, you really don't need anything besides /etc/network/interfaces. it's easy and so powerful |
| 05:57.47 | pickcoder | phishing isn't new |
| 05:57.48 | man_in_ltop | ok, in that cas can someone reccommend a good, gtk network config tool? :) |
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| 05:57.53 | man_in_ltop | *case |
| 05:58.01 | enouf | man_in_ltop: man apt-cache |
| 05:58.02 | iwkse | markybob: it's solved.. xorg.conf needed a good clean |
| 05:58.03 | man_in_ltop | tuv, true that, but i miss my etherconf :P |
| 05:58.04 | markybob | man_in_ltop, gnome has a built-in network tool |
| 05:58.13 | markybob | iwkse, good. sync rates? |
| 05:58.25 | iwkse | markybob: no..was more simple |
| 05:58.26 | man_in_ltop | markybob, i'm not using gnome though |
| 05:58.26 | De_Mon | did you catch the headline about the woman(i think) who used public funds and fell for the send money to africa(or whereever) scam? |
| 05:58.28 | enouf | !tell man_in_ltop about search |
| 05:58.37 | markybob | man_in_ltop, so does kde. what are you using? |
| 05:58.44 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: man ifconfig |
| 05:58.46 | man_in_ltop | enouf, i'm looking for reccommendations |
| 05:58.46 | iwkse | markybob: when i installed fglrx it haven't substitute but just add lines |
| 05:58.54 | madd_matt | I have two drives which i want to use to hold my mythtv recordings. Am I better off using RAID0 or LVM? |
| 05:58.55 | tuv | man_in_ltop, gnome's interface is very basic. use it if it is enough for your needs, but 'interfaces' can do much more |
| 05:58.56 | iwkse | markybob: so i had duplicated |
| 05:58.58 | man_in_ltop | markybob, xfce |
| 05:59.05 | enouf | man_in_ltop: good apt-cache has many :-) |
| 05:59.09 | markybob | man_in_ltop, ah. not sure, then. never touched xfce. sorry |
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| 05:59.25 | iwkse | markybob: 2 monitor section, 2 device section..ecc.ecc..a good mess |
| 05:59.27 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: KDE has a network tool too |
| 05:59.31 | man_in_ltop | ... |
| 05:59.35 | man_in_ltop | no one is listening today |
| 05:59.37 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: it's in the system menu |
| 05:59.58 | enouf | Internet menu pickcoder .. as far as etch/sid |
| 06:00.07 | pickcoder | hm |
| 06:00.12 | man_in_ltop | is gnome's network tool called "network-manager-gnome" or is that another one? |
| 06:00.15 | pickcoder | ok.. it's in the Internet menu |
| 06:00.18 | curt | madd_matt, IMHO lvm and raid 0 |
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| 06:00.57 | Wyzard | madd_matt: I'd use LVM with striping, but keep in mind that combining multiple disks like that increases the chance of data loss because you have to worry about *any* of them failing |
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| 06:01.28 | Wyzard | madd_matt: so it's a risk unless you back up regularly |
| 06:01.32 | bsdboy | I've always wondered what I should do if a drive starts exhibiting errors thats halfway in the middle of a LV .. |
| 06:01.54 | Wyzard | bsdboy: You have a big chunk of your filesystem that's inaccessible |
| 06:01.55 | bsdboy | It's better then md RAID0 though .. |
| 06:01.57 | madd_matt | I do backups, Wyzard, and its only mythTV recordings -- I can always rerecord :) |
| 06:02.02 | pickcoder | RAID0 is pointless |
| 06:02.16 | bsdboy | Wyzard: Isn't it possible to stick another drive in it.. And move the data to it. |
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| 06:02.27 | pickcoder | LVM is best if you want to be able to resize on the fly |
| 06:02.28 | Wyzard | bsdboy: Not if the drive is dead |
| 06:02.31 | bsdboy | I thought LVM had provisions for it.. |
| 06:02.34 | bsdboy | no no, not drive dead. :p |
| 06:02.38 | man_in_ltop | ah i see |
| 06:02.42 | Wyzard | pickcoder: It's not pointless... I use RAID0 for my swapspace |
| 06:02.46 | man_in_ltop | gnome-system-tools has network-admin |
| 06:03.01 | bsdboy | in 10 years.. |
| 06:03.08 | bsdboy | Maybe I've just been exteremly lucky |
| 06:03.23 | man_in_ltop | ok, does anyone know of a gtk network config tool that supports wpa_supplicant (at least for wireless lan)? |
| 06:03.29 | Wyzard | not that my swapspace actually gets used much, but I have three hard drives and I'm using RAID-5 for my data, so I might as well make three swap partitions and RAID-0 |
| 06:03.36 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: NetworkManager |
| 06:03.37 | pickcoder | Wyzard: I'm not even going to ask |
| 06:03.38 | madd_matt | The only drive i've ever had fail was a 4gb drive on my pentium2 a few years ago. |
| 06:03.45 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, one that actually works would be nice |
| 06:03.51 | curt | qotd: there is never a simple answer to a simple question. |
| 06:04.00 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: then NetworkManager |
| 06:04.07 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: just review the interfaces manpage.. you'll end up having to edit it at some point |
| 06:04.13 | bsdboy | Wyzard: Dare I ask how much swap space you have..? |
| 06:04.15 | pickcoder | the gui tools do screw up |
| 06:04.18 | Wyzard | pickcoder: 750GB*3 RAID-5... encrypted and with LVM on top :-) |
| 06:04.25 | Wyzard | bsdboy: 3GB, 1 from each drive |
| 06:04.28 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, last time i tried NetworkManager, the client couldn't connect to the server under any circumstance |
| 06:04.29 | curt | exactly 2G |
| 06:04.32 | bsdboy | I see. |
| 06:04.47 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, got different error messages depending on if i ran the client as user or root |
| 06:04.51 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I use it on a daily basis on my laptop, connecting to a WPA2-secured wireless network |
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| 06:05.04 | pickcoder | Wyzard: I hope that's hardware RAID |
| 06:05.12 | Wyzard | pickcoder: no, software |
| 06:05.14 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, maybe you'll be able to help me get it to work then |
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| 06:05.42 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: The GNOME applet thing (nm-applet) should be put in your session so it launches automatically when you log in... it runs as your user, not as root |
| 06:05.49 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: The daemon runs as root, of course |
| 06:06.05 | madd_matt | Wyzard, I want to set up my disks before installing debian. Is software RAID something that is done in a consistent manner, or am I going to have to screw around to get it to work? |
| 06:06.35 | Wyzard | madd_matt: You can set up both RAID and LVM with the installer |
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| 06:06.46 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, but last time i tried, the client simply would not connect to the daemon |
| 06:06.47 | Wyzard | madd_matt: (Use the etch beta installer) |
| 06:06.54 | madd_matt | Wyzard, my problem is that I have data on the partition that is going to become / |
| 06:07.00 | man_in_ltop | i tried nm-tool and nm-applet and got nowhere with both of them |
| 06:07.09 | man_in_ltop | i will try again though |
| 06:07.10 | stoned | I am so pissed off right now man its not even funny |
| 06:07.11 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: How long ago was that? And what version were you using? |
| 06:07.25 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i don't remember. latish last year |
| 06:07.30 | Azar | stoned: what up? |
| 06:07.42 | enouf | Wyzard: you mean etch rc1 i think .. beta3 is over with AFAIK |
| 06:07.53 | Wyzard | madd_matt: There's an option in the partitioning tool to copy data to another partition |
| 06:08.21 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I've been using it successfully for about half a year |
| 06:08.26 | madd_matt | Wyzard, oh superneato :D ;). I'll still back up all my stuff, but hopefully that will work great. |
| 06:08.44 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, well i'm going to try it again |
| 06:09.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I had some trouble with it at first because a bug in the ipw2200 driver made NetworkManager not recognize its WPA support, but that got fixed in a later version of the kernel so it's all good now |
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| 06:09.28 | man_in_ltop | i have ipw3945 and i really, really, hate intel now |
| 06:09.48 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I've heard about that, with its userspace regulatory daemon thing, but I don't have any experience with using it |
| 06:10.08 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: I couldn't even get a PCI-X card to work on the last Intel MB I purchased |
| 06:10.19 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: It also wouldn't boot a usb key |
| 06:10.41 | pickcoder | man_in_ltop: getting the fixed BIOS on it was a fun ordeal |
| 06:10.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 06:10.46 | man_in_ltop | intel is evil |
| 06:11.11 | Wyzard | I like my Conroe and my P965 chipset though |
| 06:11.17 | markybob | eh. not totally. just mostly :) they do make some drivers for us |
| 06:11.25 | Wyzard | AHCI ftw |
| 06:11.39 | pickcoder | Once I updated the BIOS it all worked just fine with Etch |
| 06:11.48 | SergoTT | i want to ask if will be enought 248MB o RAM to use Debian and it soft |
| 06:11.49 | markybob | intel will probably be the first wi-max provider for linux |
| 06:12.03 | markybob | SergoTT, yes |
| 06:12.13 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 06:12.14 | pickcoder | SergoTT: as long as you don't plan on running Xorg |
| 06:12.24 | Wyzard | 248 is fine for X |
| 06:12.25 | man_in_ltop | ipw3945.sf.net doesn't have any downloads for the daemon |
| 06:12.37 | pickcoder | SergoTT: what CPU speed? |
| 06:12.39 | stoned | I got my stuff from new egg. I put my system together. Put my old 500gb hdd in, and installed an OS. Then I turned my old computer off, and I took out the 250gb drive, put it in the new system, and all of a sudden, it doesn't work. It gets read by the bios as BzBzBzBzBzBzBz. No matter what I do, I've played with all bios options in the new system, no dice. I checked the cabling, replaced cables etc. I hook up the 250gb hdd in BACK in t |
| 06:12.43 | Wyzard | My old laptop had 128MB and it was fine... I upgraded it to 384 only because of Eclipse :-) |
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| 06:13.38 | man_in_ltop | the 1.2.0 driver also doesn't appear on intel's site |
| 06:14.12 | Wyzard | hmm... I've just eaten almost all of an 8oz block of cheddar cheese :-/ |
| 06:14.20 | stoned | :( |
| 06:14.22 | enouf | SergoTT: I run debian with Xfree86/Xorg easily on a pII w/320MB ram |
| 06:14.29 | stoned | enouf! |
| 06:14.33 | stoned | whats up man |
| 06:14.39 | enouf | stoned: ++! |
| 06:14.44 | stoned | stoned++ |
| 06:14.45 | stoned | :D |
| 06:14.48 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:14.56 | pickcoder | enouf: easily? .. when I load firefox on my 500Mhz with 384 ,it takes a while for it to load |
| 06:15.06 | pickcoder | gdm starts right up |
| 06:15.14 | SergoTT | <pickcoder> SergoTT: what CPU speed? - 1.40GHz |
| 06:15.15 | stoned | enouf read that long ass thing I just pasted |
| 06:15.17 | k13 | but c'mon, firefox... |
| 06:15.18 | pickcoder | but Xorg takes about a minute to load |
| 06:15.25 | stoned | or typed rather |
| 06:15.29 | enouf | stoned: i saw a broadcast of Peter frampton last night on PBS's SoundStage .. awesome man .. that dude is talented . still |
| 06:15.30 | stoned | nvz hey man |
| 06:15.31 | pickcoder | SergoTT: yea.. even 256 would be ok at that speed |
| 06:15.35 | nvz | stoned: hey |
| 06:15.44 | enouf | pickcoder: I don;t use Firefox :-) |
| 06:15.53 | Wyzard | SergoTT: It's not really X that's the issue, it's what you run in it... 248MB is enough for GNOME, unless you want to do memory-intensive stuff like editing large images in GIMP |
| 06:15.54 | enouf | pickcoder: It's a memeory blackhole |
| 06:15.56 | stoned | nvz just lost everything I been downloading from 2 years |
| 06:16.02 | stoned | nvz all my music is gone! |
| 06:16.11 | enouf | stoned: what? |
| 06:16.16 | nvz | stoned: yeah thats gonna happen to me soon cause I refuse to backup even though I know my hd is dying |
| 06:16.18 | stoned | nvz, not only 100gb worth music, but all my original recordings and songs are gone too |
| 06:16.33 | stoned | nvz, I just bought it like 7-8 months ago |
| 06:16.36 | Wyzard | stoned: Have you tried the drive in another computer? |
| 06:16.45 | nvz | well I am in denial.. I dont believe its actually dying |
| 06:17.02 | nvz | but I know better.. and I should be backing it up |
| 06:17.03 | stoned | it was working one minute, took it out, put it into another system, bios reads it as BzBzBzBz after waiting 40 secs |
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| 06:17.25 | nvz | stoned: I'd always get a 2nd opinion |
| 06:17.32 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i'm getting the same errors as last time i tried NetworkManager |
| 06:17.35 | stoned | Wyzard, yes, I put the disk back in the old system where it was working just minutes ago, and it gets read by the bios, but gives i/o error after POST |
| 06:17.40 | Wyzard | stoned: That's a logic failure, not a media failure... if you can get another drive of the same model, you may be able to swap the logic boards and get the drive with all your data working again |
| 06:17.59 | stoned | whats a logic failure |
| 06:18.05 | GeorgeS069 | stoned: get a used drive exactly like that one that died and swap the controllers |
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| 06:18.14 | Wyzard | stoned: The electronics that control the drive, rather than the physical disk and heads |
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| 06:18.34 | Wyzard | stoned: Also, professional data-recovery services are an option, though they cost money |
| 06:18.39 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: What errors? |
| 06:18.46 | pickcoder | stoned: have you tried booting a diag disk from the disk manuf? |
| 06:18.49 | stoned | Wyzard, hmm, how would I replace them, supposing I find the exact same drive |
| 06:19.04 | stoned | pickcoder no, don't have anything |
| 06:19.10 | pickcoder | what brand is it |
| 06:19.12 | stoned | WD |
| 06:19.14 | enouf | stoned: reallocate the drives jumpers if it's a PATA |
| 06:19.27 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: ah... you may need to add yourself to the "netdev" group |
| 06:19.38 | stoned | sata2, running in old system with jumper set on sata1 mode only, and in the new system, I took the jumper out |
| 06:19.39 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, already in it |
| 06:19.42 | nvz | oh well I've been pouring my heart out for 6 hours I'm going to sleep *yawn* |
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| 06:20.16 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, http://pastebin.ca/322271 |
| 06:20.55 | pickcoder | stoned: you can download a diag ISO from WD |
| 06:21.03 | enouf | stoned: nevermind .. I'm lagging here tremendously .. Wyzard seems to know .. |
| 06:21.43 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to rename a network device? eg: rename 'eth2' to 'wlan0' |
| 06:21.59 | enouf | erm .. maybe not so wrong am I .. you have a weird setup so it seems .. can't figure out exactly what you have, nor what you've done .. but |
| 06:22.30 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: That sounds like it could be a dbus problem... that's how the client communicates with the daemon |
| 06:22.50 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: For a one-shot thing, install the "iproute" package and "ip link set eth2 name wlan0" |
| 06:23.05 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: You can configure udev to rename interfaces on a permanent basis |
| 06:23.43 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: but NM doesn't care whether it's called "eth2" or "wlan0" |
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| 06:23.44 | pickcoder | stoned: is that an abit board? |
| 06:23.54 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i just want it to make more sense, since i don't have an eth1 :) |
| 06:24.22 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:24.41 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Assign consistent names to your interfaces based on MAC address |
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| 06:25.18 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: That file probably already has something else assigned to be "eth1", maybe a device that used to be installed but isn't anymore, and that's why udev is calling your wireless card "eth2" |
| 06:25.40 | man_in_ltop | looks like it's got both eth0' |
| 06:25.44 | enouf | stoned: so you have a 500GB sata2 drive that when on old you used sata1 mode, but in new, you tried sata2 mode by removing a jumper? |
| 06:25.50 | Wyzard | Two lines for eth0? |
| 06:25.51 | Wyzard | weird |
| 06:26.06 | man_in_ltop | both eth0's device and eth-over-ieee1394 pointing to eth1 |
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| 06:26.22 | man_in_ltop | but thanks Wyzard |
| 06:26.23 | enouf | man_in_ltop: any Virtual machine running here? |
| 06:26.24 | pickcoder | stoned: also, can you paste the model #s? |
| 06:26.35 | pickcoder | I think it's a drive firmware issue |
| 06:26.38 | KaiHanari | how do i have /path/to/blah run on startup? |
| 06:26.39 | pickcoder | which may be fixable |
| 06:26.48 | man_in_ltop | enouf, as in vmware, bochs, qemu etc? |
| 06:27.06 | enouf | yes man_in_ltop |
| 06:27.18 | Wyzard | I've wondered why drives come with jumpers to toggle them between sata1 and sata2 mode... can't sata2 drives automatically detect when the host only supports sata1? |
| 06:27.18 | man_in_ltop | enouf, nope |
| 06:27.21 | enouf | Xen , ms vpc crud |
| 06:27.24 | enouf | ok |
| 06:27.25 | stoned | WD caviear SE 16 |
| 06:27.26 | stoned | 250GB |
| 06:27.30 | stoned | pickcoder ^^ |
| 06:28.00 | enouf | Wyzard: you got me |
| 06:28.01 | pickcoder | WD2500YS |
| 06:28.03 | stoned | enouf, my 500gb disk works in the new system without any force 150 only mode |
| 06:28.11 | stoned | enouf, it worked without a jumper in the old machine too |
| 06:28.21 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i can't tell if there are any dbus problems |
| 06:28.28 | pickcoder | is that right? |
| 06:28.58 | stoned | enouf, problem is only with the 250gb disk. it was working one minute. I poweroff the computer, take it out and I put it into the new computer, and doh! bios reads it as BzBzBzBzBzBzBzBz BzBzBz |
| 06:29.09 | enouf | man_in_ltop: man dbu <tab><tab> |
| 06:29.10 | stoned | pickcoder sec |
| 06:29.21 | KaiHanari | how do i have /path/to/blah run on startup? |
| 06:29.22 | pickcoder | stoned: http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=104207 |
| 06:29.22 | stoned | pickcoder where on drive do I find it, it just says what I told you |
| 06:29.28 | man_in_ltop | i just installed dbus-1-utils |
| 06:29.35 | pickcoder | there should be a sticker with the model # |
| 06:29.42 | Wyzard | enouf: In November I bought three Seagate 750GB drives -- biggest hard drives on the market at the time -- and they came jumpered for sata1 by default :-/ |
| 06:29.43 | man_in_ltop | dbus-monitor doesn't display anything at all when nm-tool runs |
| 06:29.54 | enouf | stoned: ok ,. issue is with 250GB drive .. My Hitachu drive reads akk fugly like that too .. |
| 06:29.57 | enouf | all* |
| 06:30.00 | stoned | yes |
| 06:30.06 | stoned | bzbzbz |
| 06:30.13 | stoned | pickcoder hole on while I read it |
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| 06:30.16 | enouf | even lshal sees it that way stoned |
| 06:30.27 | nnn | hi all |
| 06:30.54 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Try "dbus-monitor --system" |
| 06:31.05 | stoned | pickcoder, it is a 2500KS |
| 06:31.14 | nnn | can I get more information in Samba log (without using syslog) |
| 06:31.27 | enouf | Stoned .. hehe .. here's my Hitachi 80GB PATA --> info.product = '(_Q_^V^Al_<_Q' (string) |
| 06:31.27 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, got something that time |
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| 06:32.08 | man_in_ltop | what's the normal way to terminate dbus-monitor? ctrl+c does nothing |
| 06:32.16 | pickcoder | stoned: does it work in the old machine still? |
| 06:32.25 | enouf | stoned: I noticed funky stuff when the jumpers were not quite correct on the drive .. but mine's a PATA |
| 06:32.33 | pickcoder | there is no firmware update for that model |
| 06:32.37 | enouf | stoned: especially in the BIOS reading |
| 06:32.56 | enouf | stoned: this drive has like 14-16 pins and TWO separate jumpers .. |
| 06:33.27 | enouf | stoned: one was for limiting the SIZE for older BIOSes .. 32/64GB cutoffs and such |
| 06:33.34 | stoned | enouf, so is the drive now corrupted? it won't even get read in the old system anymore. After POST, it tells me that "A disk read error occured press ctrl+alt+del to restart" |
| 06:33.35 | pickcoder | so you're only going to have 2 options: try in another machine until you can get it to work or call WD and see if they'll send you a replacement on a cross-ship billing deal |
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| 06:33.41 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, actually, i don't think the dbus messages i'm monitoring are associated with NetworkManager |
| 06:34.06 | enouf | stoned: can you boot another HDD on that system .. then try mounting you old drive ro perhaps |
| 06:34.12 | pickcoder | er.. not cross-ship.. credit upon return. you still need the old drive. <g> |
| 06:34.17 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: The only messages I get when running nm-tool are two messages regarding a change of ownership of a name on the bus, or something to that effect |
| 06:34.21 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I'm not sure why that is, though |
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| 06:34.45 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Have you checked your logs for messages from the NM daemon? It prints some informative stuff. |
| 06:34.45 | pickcoder | swapping the logic controller isn't going to fix the problem if it's a model firmware bug |
| 06:34.47 | stoned | enouf, tried it, bios doesn't detect it if it isn't the ONLY disk in the old system |
| 06:34.52 | pickcoder | they're all going to flake |
| 06:34.55 | man_in_ltop | http://pastebin.ca/322277 << like that? |
| 06:35.08 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: yep, that |
| 06:35.18 | stoned | pickcoder, dude all I did was turn the computer off. Disk worked for almost a year |
| 06:35.25 | enouf | stoned: you MAY want to try and (always do this before any hardware changes) .. pull the Power Cord completelty from ATX backside (easiest for me) .. then reboot without your 250drivwe connected and Reset you System BIOS |
| 06:35.31 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, where are the logs for NetworkManager? |
| 06:35.35 | stoned | I bought it retail from pcclub, so I guess it SHOULD have a default retail 3yr warranty? |
| 06:35.40 | pickcoder | stoned: plugging it into the new controller may have freaked out the firmware |
| 06:36.02 | stoned | pickcoder, firmware on HDD gets modified without our consent? |
| 06:36.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: /var/log/syslog |
| 06:36.16 | stoned | pickcoder, why would the new controller modify/corrupt the firmware? |
| 06:36.20 | man_in_ltop | i see a /var/log/daemon.log with NetworkManager lines in it too |
| 06:36.22 | DaveLib | hello i am running etch a while back with help from this channel i installed from the debian respository flashplugin-nonfree in order to get the adobe flash plugin and that worked |
| 06:36.24 | pickcoder | stoned: no, but the controllers to communicate and set options |
| 06:36.30 | pickcoder | s/to/do |
| 06:36.31 | enouf | stoned: now that's fucked up .. that must be a Sata Controller issue (and/or boot Order selection), and (should be) entirely unrelated |
| 06:36.37 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: The same messages go to both files |
| 06:36.44 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 06:37.00 | DaveLib | now i read in the news that adobe has just come out with a new flash player for linux |
| 06:37.01 | pickcoder | I've seen that happen once before and I got lucky |
| 06:37.14 | stoned | enouf, even if the 250gb disk, as a single drive in the new system, gets detected as BzBz etc. |
| 06:37.23 | stoned | enoug, beyond that, after post, nothing |
| 06:37.23 | Wyzard | DaveLib: Yes, Flash 9... the beta has already been in etch for awhile, but this is the final version |
| 06:37.36 | pickcoder | stoned: the old system posts, but says drive error |
| 06:37.39 | enouf | stoned .. allow me to ask .. were ANY system at any time STILL had the power cable plugged in? |
| 06:37.40 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 06:37.52 | DaveLib | can i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree to upgrade to that flash 9 ? |
| 06:37.54 | Wyzard | DaveLib: The update will probably go into etch at some point |
| 06:37.58 | stoned | pickcoder, yes. new system posts too with this disk, but then blank screen |
| 06:38.09 | Wyzard | DaveLib: No, reconfigure doesn't install new versions of things |
| 06:38.16 | DaveLib | ahh so etch doesnt have the new version yet? |
| 06:38.20 | enouf | stoned: forget that option .. you do NOT want to try to boot it now anyway .. you need to get at it's data some other way .. |
| 06:38.21 | pickcoder | yank the battery in the old MB, unplug the power supply and try booting without the sata cable attached |
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| 06:38.22 | Wyzard | DaveLib: But if you're running etch you should be doing periodic updates anyway |
| 06:38.23 | stoned | pickcoder, old mobo == ASUS p4p800VM, and new mobo == GA 965P S3 |
| 06:38.30 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, the log doesn't change when nm-tool is run |
| 06:38.36 | pickcoder | then unplug the power supply and plug the sata cable back in |
| 06:38.44 | stoned | enouf, I can buy more disks, money is not an issue |
| 06:38.47 | pickcoder | see if it resets everything |
| 06:38.48 | Wyzard | DaveLib: I don't think it does, though I haven't checked (and I'm using amd64 where there's no Flash anyway so I don't have it installed) |
| 06:38.50 | DaveLib | ya i run update from aptitude every day or two i did it just about an hour ago |
| 06:38.51 | stoned | enouf, I need to get at the data, yes |
| 06:38.59 | enouf | stoned .. allow me to ask .. were ANY system at any time STILL had the power cable plugged in? |
| 06:39.04 | stoned | pickcoder, enouf, any idea how to restore some data off it? |
| 06:39.21 | pickcoder | stoned: ^^ |
| 06:39.23 | stoned | enouf, no, power cables out always, and the psu button is set to OFF |
| 06:39.28 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, http://pastebin.ca/322280 |
| 06:39.29 | enouf | stoned: there's always a +5V trickle charge in ATX |
| 06:39.46 | stoned | enouf, after which I also turn the power button on to drain all power |
| 06:39.52 | enouf | stoned: deosn't matter about buttons .. omnly cables :-) |
| 06:39.56 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Restart the daemon -- /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart -- and see if it prints anything interesting |
| 06:39.57 | enouf | ok then |
| 06:40.37 | DaveLib | when etch gets the new flash release will upgrading in aptitude automatically upgrade that? |
| 06:40.42 | pickcoder | could be that it's stuck in SATA2 mode and your old bios doesn't understand it |
| 06:40.45 | Wyzard | DaveLib: yes |
| 06:40.52 | liable | waaa, why am i only getting 300KB/s when something is installing from dvd.. |
| 06:40.59 | stoned | pickcoder, then how come the new mobo isn't picking it up? |
| 06:41.11 | DaveLib | ok so i dont need to really do anything i do update/upgrade every couple of days routinely anyway |
| 06:41.18 | pickcoder | b/c maybe there's a bug in the firmware on the drive |
| 06:41.19 | enouf | stoned: diff systems .. same issues? .. try as a (non-boot) drive in the new system |
| 06:41.27 | stoned | pickcoder, no shit |
| 06:41.29 | pickcoder | the Asus bios doesn't like the drive |
| 06:41.38 | stoned | well that sucks |
| 06:41.49 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, restart didn't kill the running NetworkManager |
| 06:41.52 | stoned | pickcoder, it worked in the asus board for a year with a force 150mode only jumper |
| 06:41.57 | pickcoder | try what I mentioned above on the old system and see if it will reset everything |
| 06:42.06 | pickcoder | use the original jumper settings |
| 06:42.10 | stoned | pickcoder, my 500gb drive worked in my asus mobo without the jumper |
| 06:42.21 | pickcoder | the 500GB has newer firmware |
| 06:42.26 | stoned | pickcoder, I did, I've tried everything known to me, and there is a lot of stuff known tome |
| 06:42.31 | enouf | stoned: check you new mobo manual and reset the BIOS .. even if you have to pull the battery .. then go in and set it up BEFORE hooking anything into it |
| 06:42.35 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: It should... try killing it manually and then using "start" instead of "restart" |
| 06:42.49 | stoned | enouf, I did that, twice! |
| 06:42.58 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, http://pastebin.ca/322282 |
| 06:43.02 | niru | enouf,any idea |
| 06:43.07 | stoned | enouf, I even set the drive parameters myself, heads/cylinders/ etc. |
| 06:43.10 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, killed manually, then started with script and restarted with script |
| 06:43.18 | enouf | stoned: No no .. LDA only |
| 06:43.21 | enouf | LBA |
| 06:43.26 | stoned | I did that too |
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| 06:43.32 | enouf | oh boy |
| 06:43.39 | stoned | trust me that data is too important for me not to try stuff |
| 06:43.55 | stoned | I've ran into a dead end every which way |
| 06:43.56 | enouf | niru: I missed the question |
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| 06:44.21 | enouf | stoned: YES .. but stop trying to Boot into it.. boot into something else |
| 06:44.26 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: And that's all it printed? |
| 06:44.30 | man_in_ltop | yup |
| 06:44.38 | niru | enouf,I have a HP colorlaserjet 2550 printer |
| 06:44.55 | niru | enouf,I am using an os based on debian etch |
| 06:44.58 | enouf | ok .. and? niru |
| 06:45.26 | enouf | !tell niru abnout Based on Debian |
| 06:45.26 | stoned | pickcoder, I tried that too. os is on 500gb disk. I put it into my old machine as boot device #1. I put my 250gb disk in, still no dice. System boots up, and bios/os do not detect the 250gb disk |
| 06:45.31 | enouf | !tell niru abnout Based on Debian |
| 06:45.35 | niru | enouf,I installed all neceassary packages but The print out is comming in gray |
| 06:45.37 | stoned | !not debian |
| 06:45.37 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 06:45.42 | hark | !ubuntusmite niru |
| 06:45.53 | liable | i think thats enough eh? |
| 06:45.56 | stoned | er.. |
| 06:46.02 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, do i need anything in /etc/NetworkManager that's not supplied? |
| 06:46.02 | stoned | s/pickoder/enouf |
| 06:46.16 | man_in_ltop | enouf of this! :P |
| 06:46.20 | enouf | liable: and there would've been more .. if I hadn;t misspelled "anbout" |
| 06:46.30 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: http://pastebin.ca/322287 -- that's what I get when starting NM on my laptop |
| 06:46.40 | stoned | dude |
| 06:46.40 | liable | !typosmite enouf |
| 06:46.50 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:46.51 | pickcoder | stoned: did you clear the CMOS and boot the drive with only power attached? |
| 06:46.57 | pickcoder | on the old MB |
| 06:47.05 | stoned | I spend endless nights on irc, downloading rare and obscure and underground extreme metal for 2 years |
| 06:47.09 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: FWIW, I'm using version 0.6.5-6, in unstable |
| 06:47.16 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: oops, 0.6.4-6 |
| 06:47.18 | stoned | and in a poof! I lost it all! |
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| 06:47.29 | stoned | I'm so pissed off I don't even wanna get high!!! |
| 06:47.30 | enouf | stoned: I'm starting to thin what Wyzard mand others mentioned about your HDDs logic board |
| 06:47.36 | man_in_ltop | ii network-manager 0.6.4-6 network management framework daemon |
| 06:47.43 | man_in_ltop | also on unstable |
| 06:47.47 | twobitsprite | is there a commandline program to conver images from one format to another? |
| 06:47.48 | liable | oh, i wish i knew the number of the qotd I am thinking of.. |
| 06:47.55 | twobitsprite | convert* |
| 06:47.56 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I don't have anything in /etc/NetworkManager besides the dispatcher.d/01ifupdown script that the package puts there |
| 06:48.11 | enouf | stoned: just relax .. it's gonna be work but it's do able .. trust me .. taking a break NOW is the best for YOU and your Data |
| 06:48.13 | pickcoder | twobitsp2ite: look at imagemagik |
| 06:48.18 | man_in_ltop | my eth0 is sky2, and eth2/wlan0 is ipw3945 |
| 06:48.28 | niru | enouf,But could you please let me know what packages exactly I need to install to make hp colorlaserjet 2550 printer work with my system |
| 06:48.32 | man_in_ltop | how does NetworkManager find the devices to begin with? |
| 06:48.37 | pickcoder | twobitsp2ite: there is a program included called convert |
| 06:48.51 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: It uses HAL, I believe... install hal-device-manager and check that your network devices appear there |
| 06:48.59 | liable | how the hell do you get the next lot of things from dpkg, when it only shows you say 15 of 50? |
| 06:49.05 | liable | the bot |
| 06:49.09 | enouf | niru: I don't even use a Printer .. hehe .. try apt-cache search printer |
| 06:49.14 | liable | like for a listkeys search |
| 06:49.15 | twobitsprite | pickcoder: thanks :) |
| 06:49.29 | Wyzard | niru: You probably want to install cupsys and hplip |
| 06:49.42 | enouf | !tell niru -about search |
| 06:49.56 | niru | Wyzard:I installed cupsys and hplip |
| 06:50.04 | hark | or hpijs |
| 06:50.08 | enouf | liable: I think you repeat and iut spits out the others |
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| 06:50.18 | Wyzard | niru: Did you add a queue for your printer in cupsys? |
| 06:50.24 | pickcoder | I don't think that ijs will work with a color LJ |
| 06:50.28 | niru | Wyzard:But the print does not show the image like google home page print showed only the text part not the Google image |
| 06:50.30 | enouf | liable: I had the same question a while back .. not sure I ever sorted it |
| 06:50.43 | pickcoder | niru: you should be able to use color PS drivers |
| 06:50.52 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, yes, both wlan card and wired ethernet are appearing |
| 06:50.52 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I'd be surprised if it didn't, considering it supports color inkjets and mono lasers |
| 06:51.12 | niru | pickcoder:color PS you mean postscript |
| 06:51.14 | pickcoder | lemme look at the printer specs |
| 06:51.19 | Wyzard | niru: Which printer model did you pick when you set up the printer with cupsys? |
| 06:51.30 | man_in_ltop | "PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection" with "WLAN Interface" under it |
| 06:51.47 | liable | enouf: ya, i tried just doing it again, half the time it gives you the same ones, maybe one or two different ones |
| 06:51.52 | niru | pickcoder:please tell me how can I use postsxcript because I am getting driver as hpijs instead of postscript |
| 06:51.54 | man_in_ltop | and "88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller" with "Networking Interface" under it |
| 06:52.02 | pickcoder | yes.. use the regular PS driver |
| 06:52.07 | niru | Wyzard:colorlaserjet2550 |
| 06:52.12 | enouf | liable: right ... I wonder if there's an All option |
| 06:52.14 | pickcoder | it should be included in the default PPD set |
| 06:52.25 | pickcoder | with cups |
| 06:52.31 | enouf | liable: abrotman would know, no? |
| 06:52.34 | Wyzard | niru: How's the printer connected? Parallel/USB, or on a network? |
| 06:52.36 | liable | enouf: will ask don next time i see him, if i remember |
| 06:52.47 | niru | Wyzard:on a network |
| 06:52.48 | abrotman | enouf: come on .. i've been drinking! |
| 06:52.52 | liable | enouf: dondelelcaro |
| 06:52.55 | enouf | haha |
| 06:53.10 | enouf | !beer abrotman |
| 06:53.15 | abrotman | no mas! |
| 06:53.17 | pickcoder | niru: yes.. PostScript |
| 06:53.20 | enouf | !cheesesteaksmite abrotman |
| 06:53.21 | niru | Wyzard:The same printer used to work with my previous stable version of debian |
| 06:53.25 | enouf | :-( |
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| 06:53.30 | pickcoder | hm.. |
| 06:53.32 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 06:53.34 | niru | Wyzard:but with etch its not working |
| 06:53.35 | abrotman | !cheesesteak enouf |
| 06:53.45 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 06:53.45 | dpkg | no problem, enouf |
| 06:53.48 | pickcoder | reading the linuxprinting.org notes it says to use either hpijs OR hplip |
| 06:53.49 | liable | meh, i am trying to finally stop smoking, so now i have to give up beer too, otherwise i will cave in as soon as i start drinking :( |
| 06:53.57 | pickcoder | you can't use both at the same time |
| 06:53.59 | niru | pickcoder:will it come by default |
| 06:54.16 | pickcoder | hplip is usable with USB or network |
| 06:54.23 | abrotman | enouf: what do i know? |
| 06:54.24 | pickcoder | hpijs is only for parallel port |
| 06:54.37 | Wyzard | niru: I suspect you're probably just using the wrong PPD, though it's hard to tell since you said "colorlaserjet2550" and I doubt that's the actual name that appeared in CUPS's menu |
| 06:54.50 | enouf | abrotman: how to gert dpkg to listvals .. but not 15 of 84 .. but ALL of them |
| 06:54.51 | Wyzard | pickcoder: hplip is a superset of hpijs |
| 06:55.08 | enouf | abrotman: or listkeys // whichever |
| 06:55.10 | pickcoder | for basic printing you can use the plain PostScript |
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| 06:55.15 | abrotman | enouf: i think the bot is limited intentionally .. try dpkg.vireo.org |
| 06:55.22 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 06:55.31 | pickcoder | for printer status features use the hplip or hpijs |
| 06:55.34 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. thanks .. dpkg help didn;t do much .. hehe |
| 06:55.44 | enouf | liable: got that? |
| 06:56.04 | niru | Wyzard:yup it was colorlaserjet 2500 with no driver and the other one was colorlaserjet 2550 with hpijs driver |
| 06:56.10 | man_in_ltop | restarting NetworkManager from the dbus script seems to do something to the wireless |
| 06:56.14 | man_in_ltop | or possibly just the led |
| 06:56.19 | man_in_ltop | but the log doesn't show anything |
| 06:56.24 | niru | Wyzard:for getting the exact PPD what I need to do |
| 06:56.36 | liable | enouf: yeah, i am too lazy to look it up on the web |
| 06:56.38 | liable | :P |
| 06:56.40 | pickcoder | niru: that should work |
| 06:56.50 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I can't think of why it'd be failing to detect your network devices... you could try running the daemon in strace or something, but I'm out of ideas beyond that |
| 06:56.52 | pickcoder | did you restart cups? |
| 06:56.55 | abrotman | liable: what are you looking for ? |
| 06:57.04 | enouf | abrotman: not that I/we need all 84 at once .. biut just to tell dpkg .. ok I've seen the 1-15 of 84 .. now give me 15-30 .. etc |
| 06:57.14 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, thus why i said before, "something that works" |
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| 06:57.23 | niru | pickcoder:yup |
| 06:57.24 | abrotman | a + might do it .. but i doubt it |
| 06:57.27 | enouf | !lazysmite liable |
| 06:57.33 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: This is the first (recent) case I've seen of NM not working |
| 06:57.33 | liable | abrotman: i was lloking for a qotd, but i have wondered how to see the rest of its answers for ages |
| 06:57.39 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. |
| 06:57.41 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: FWIW, try it out on a different system |
| 06:57.48 | abrotman | liable: all of the qotd ? |
| 06:57.55 | pickcoder | then lpq -P<printername> should show no entires |
| 06:57.59 | pickcoder | entries |
| 06:58.05 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i don't have any i can try it out on right now |
| 06:58.13 | liable | abrotman: yeah, i used to have a link, but it stopped working a while back |
| 06:58.26 | pickcoder | or an error, if the cups config/status file got hosed |
| 06:58.26 | Wyzard | niru: I'd recommend using the hplip PPD with the "hp:" backend |
| 06:58.42 | abrotman | liable: i know asg had made a fortune script out of the qotd .. but i doubt that'll really help you :) |
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| 06:59.09 | man_in_ltop | ok, i've changed eth2 to wlan0 in udev config. how do i get that to affect the current running system without rebooting? |
| 06:59.48 | pickcoder | niru: is foomatic installed? |
| 06:59.52 | liable | abrotman: yeah, i think it was his link i used to use. hasnt worked for months. |
| 07:00.15 | niru | pickcoder:yes foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-filter-ppds |
| 07:00.17 | abrotman | liable: you really want to see the stupid things we say? :) |
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| 07:00.27 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Rename it manually -- "ip link set eth2 down; ip link set eth2 name wlan0; ip link set wlan0 up" |
| 07:00.34 | mcgreg | is 2.6.19-kernel goping to be in debian tree soon? |
| 07:00.45 | abrotman | mcgreg: probably after the etch release |
| 07:00.46 | Wyzard | mcgreg: Not until after etch is released |
| 07:00.52 | mcgreg | ok |
| 07:00.55 | pickcoder | what about hplip-ppds |
| 07:01.04 | abrotman | mcgreg: but they keep an svn repo IIRC |
| 07:01.18 | liable | abrotman: heh, its just that someone said something, and there was a very relevent qotd, and finding it via listvals doesnt work cause of the mentioned problem. :) |
| 07:01.37 | abrotman | liable: there are only .. 171 of them or so :) |
| 07:01.52 | pickcoder | you may also need the foomatic-db-hpijs |
| 07:02.12 | liable | abrotman: tell asg to fix his page! :) |
| 07:02.19 | abrotman | liable: he'll see this :) |
| 07:02.20 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I don't think foomatic is needed at all... that's a separate system for generating PPDs |
| 07:02.35 | pickcoder | foomatic is a content filter |
| 07:02.40 | pickcoder | which decides which driver to use |
| 07:02.46 | Wyzard | pickcoder: but CUPS has its own content filtering |
| 07:03.01 | pickcoder | yeah.. it makes _everything_ ps |
| 07:03.39 | Bogus8 | is there a switch for "find" that makes it return only executables? |
| 07:03.55 | man_in_ltop | excellente :) |
| 07:04.01 | enouf | Bogus8: -name ".exe" |
| 07:04.02 | liable | enouf: |
| 07:04.07 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.21 | Bogus8 | enouf: hehe.. if it was windows :p |
| 07:04.22 | enouf | Bogus8: .. or -name "*.exe" |
| 07:04.34 | enouf | Bogus8: huh? |
| 07:04.37 | pickcoder | heh |
| 07:04.49 | pickcoder | elf binaries aren't known to have file extentions |
| 07:04.52 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.54 | Bogus8 | enouf: linux executabls don't have .exe on them |
| 07:04.56 | pickcoder | unless someone is used to using windows |
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| 07:05.08 | enouf | I know .. don't be silly |
| 07:05.13 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: cool :-) |
| 07:05.29 | enouf | Bogus8: -type |
| 07:05.38 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, wlan0 now correctly renamed and running, NetworkManager still being evil |
| 07:05.39 | enouf | perhaps |
| 07:06.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: FWIW, if you can't get NM working, you could configure wpa_supplicant manually and use ifplugd to have it automatically connect |
| 07:06.12 | Bogus8 | enouf: I looked at the man file thinking that would be the answer but I didn't find it.. maybe I'm misunderstanding it |
| 07:06.37 | niru | pickcoder:/etc/software is not found |
| 07:06.40 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: That's what I used to do before NM came along... wpa_supplicant finds the network and does the WPA stuff, and when that finishes ifplugd notices that the interface is now "connected" and runs ifup on it |
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| 07:06.53 | niru | pickcoder:/etc/init.d/cups restart worked |
| 07:07.00 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i already have wpa_supplicant configured manually, but i need to connect to 2 different wpa networks |
| 07:07.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: You don't get any UI that way, though -- just a beep to indicate that ifplugd has noticed a connection |
| 07:07.04 | niru | pickcoder:/etc/software is not there |
| 07:07.06 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: ah :-/ |
| 07:07.19 | man_in_ltop | currently i have a home-made script that switches config files and runs dhclient |
| 07:07.25 | pickcoder | niru: if you read the page it says the commands stated may or may not exist, depending on your O/S |
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| 07:07.35 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I'd suggest asking on the NM mailing list, and checking their bug database |
| 07:08.16 | niru | pickcoder:yup |
| 07:08.16 | XrMb2 | what was the name of that tool to benchmark the harddisk..? |
| 07:08.16 | pickcoder | bonnie++ |
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| 07:08.16 | pickcoder | iostat shows concurrent usage |
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| 07:08.37 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ?highlight=%28NetworkManager%29#head-45c7dcb29a13372e1da1221b5ed499d981ea7ec6 |
| 07:08.40 | pickcoder | XrMb2: ^^^ |
| 07:08.40 | enouf | Bogus8: I've never tried to do such a silly thing .. I'm sure it can be done .. either piping to grep or stat and pulling the x from the results |
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| 07:09.21 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: lol... I completely forgot about that :-) |
| 07:09.25 | enouf | Bogus8: or maybe find has an -inode or regex function for that .. dunno .. and the friggin man page is too long right now :-P |
| 07:09.29 | Bogus8 | enouf: yeah, this is the first time I decided to do that... looking to see what kind of "notepad" type editors might be already installed |
| 07:09.37 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, it's still not picking up wlan0 though |
| 07:10.01 | XrMb2 | but i was talking about benchmarking |
| 07:10.08 | Bogus8 | enouf: I hear ya |
| 07:10.15 | XrMb2 | thanks anyway, iostat helps me too, but doesn't benchmark |
| 07:10.29 | liable | man_in_ltop: wpasupp can have as many different wpa networks as you like |
| 07:10.33 | pickcoder | Bogus8: -perm -mode |
| 07:10.37 | pickcoder | mode = "x" |
| 07:10.56 | man_in_ltop | liable, i know. i want to eliminate the need for a script that selects which config file to use |
| 07:11.04 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: Ah, I remember seeing mode.. didn't understand it, or give it enough time :( |
| 07:11.06 | pickcoder | XrMb2: bonnie++ is a benchmark |
| 07:11.17 | man_in_ltop | bbiab |
| 07:11.19 | liable | man_in_ltop: you just put all the networks in the conf file for it... |
| 07:11.31 | pickcoder | make sure you specify double your RAM to saturate your file buffers |
| 07:11.34 | XrMb2 | hdparm -t ...that's it |
| 07:11.41 | XrMb2 | however, thanks for that hint |
| 07:11.44 | pickcoder | bonnie++ is more realisitc |
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| 07:11.46 | pickcoder | realistic |
| 07:12.37 | P_Kable | how can I burn an hd-dvd with a ts file ? |
| 07:12.38 | pickcoder | nite all |
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| 07:14.52 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 07:14.53 | dpkg | well, qotd105 is bob2: rexec makes baby jesus cry |
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| 07:15.19 | man_in_ltop | rexec? |
| 07:15.53 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Try renaming your wlan0 back to eth2 and see if NM finds it |
| 07:16.08 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: one way is to write a bash script |
| 07:16.16 | hark | windows stuff.. |
| 07:16.22 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I just renamed my own wireless device to wlan0, but HAL didn't notice the change so NM was still looking for eth1 which no longer existed |
| 07:16.31 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Either that or restart HAL, I guess |
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| 07:16.46 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: haha... I really just want to quickly see what X text editors are installed LOL |
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| 07:17.31 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: as in text editors made for X? |
| 07:17.48 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah... I will just use nano if nothing is already installed |
| 07:17.58 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: but if it's already there then I might use it |
| 07:18.14 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: what about vi or vim? |
| 07:18.22 | Wyzard | nano would be a much better editor if it didn't default to inserting hard linebreaks at 80 cols |
| 07:18.29 | Bogus8 | GRRR, vi and I don't get along ;) |
| 07:18.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: you can almost always count on vi being there |
| 07:18.42 | PingFloyd | if not vim |
| 07:18.54 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah, but not my comprehension of it's twisted ways :) |
| 07:19.03 | PingFloyd | vim is a PITA at first, but in the long run, it's a helluva editor |
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| 07:19.25 | hark | !nvi |
| 07:19.25 | dpkg | hmm... nvi is the best version of vi out there... no extranneous crap |
| 07:19.40 | Wyzard | s/nvi/vim-tiny/ |
| 07:19.46 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: I have no doubt that... this is just for a little file that I like to keep notes in |
| 07:20.12 | Bogus8 | throw in a nifty command line if someone gives one that is too long/complicated to remember |
| 07:20.25 | Bogus8 | random quotes I find on the internet |
| 07:20.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: have you tried gvim? |
| 07:20.50 | Bogus8 | film ideas... just any nifty things I want to keep at easy reach |
| 07:20.56 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: negative |
| 07:21.05 | twobitsprite | are there no good X file managers? |
| 07:21.11 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: it's vim, but works well through the gui |
| 07:21.13 | Bogus8 | I was so happy when I ran visudo and it opened nano :) |
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| 07:21.42 | PingFloyd | gvim is like having the friendliness of usual gui apps, but the power of vim |
| 07:21.48 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, NetworkManager now working :) |
| 07:21.55 | man_in_ltop | restarted all dbus stuff |
| 07:22.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: cool :-) |
| 07:22.11 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: must've been the rename of eth2, then |
| 07:22.15 | man_in_ltop | now i need to find my xsession stuff |
| 07:22.15 | PingFloyd | it's a good way to learn vim to, since you're not forced into its terse ui |
| 07:22.16 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: is it straight forward and simple? |
| 07:22.17 | man_in_ltop | probably, yeah |
| 07:22.21 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: yeah |
| 07:22.33 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: think of vim, but point and clicky too |
| 07:22.35 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: so the original problem was just that /etc/network/interfaces thing that I knew but forgot about :-) |
| 07:22.35 | twobitsprite | PingFloyd: trust me... vi is worth learning... it is _very_ powerful once you start get the "finger feel" of it |
| 07:22.39 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: open and go? or open and : and touch my left and to my right nut just to start typing? ;) |
| 07:22.50 | PingFloyd | twobitsprite: you're preaching to the choir |
| 07:22.57 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Anyway, enjoy |
| 07:22.59 | Bogus8 | and will it prompt me to save if I've changed the file? |
| 07:23.01 | twobitsprite | PingFloyd: sorry, that was for Bogus8 |
| 07:23.03 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 07:23.14 | PingFloyd | gvim is a good way to get familiar with vim |
| 07:23.21 | hark | Bogus8: all you need to know are the insert and command mode toggling. |
| 07:23.23 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i don't know how nm-applet will handle the other wpa network though, which requires username and password |
| 07:23.26 | Bogus8 | twobitsprite: I know.. it's just so cumbersom at first |
| 07:23.45 | hark | it behaves like any other gui editor |
| 07:23.46 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: well... 'i' will put you in insert mode... but trust me... learn to love the help files, and hang out in #vim... |
| 07:23.51 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, do you know if there's a way to save the password for a specific network with NetworkManager? |
| 07:23.53 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: A username? What EAP type is that? |
| 07:24.03 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: NetworkManager stores passwords in gnome-keyring |
| 07:24.03 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: learn with gvim |
| 07:24.30 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: then when you get to the point of where you see it's extra friendly features as baggage, you're ready for the real vim |
| 07:24.34 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, wpa_supplicant conf file says: phase2="auth=PAP" |
| 07:24.35 | Bogus8 | twobitsprite: are they rtfm nazis like in some of these channels ;) |
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| 07:24.54 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: in fact... just run "vimtutor" |
| 07:25.05 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: also, go through the vimtutor |
| 07:25.09 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: hmm... NM's GUI might support that, but I don't know; I've only used it with plain PSK networks |
| 07:25.11 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: well... they might suggest certain help pages for you |
| 07:25.15 | Bogus8 | twobitsprite: yeah, i think I have before.. it just never stuck.. probably because I fought it |
| 07:25.39 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: If you open up gconf-editor and look in /system/networking/wireless/networks, that's where it keeps the list of "known" networks that you've connected to before |
| 07:25.58 | Bogus8 | I mean I pretty much always do try to figure it out because I understand the faq frustration |
| 07:26.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: It'll automatically connect to the most-recently-used of those that it sees within range |
| 07:26.18 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 07:26.21 | Bogus8 | but sometimes some things are faq and people act like you are commiting an act of treason for asking them ;) |
| 07:26.26 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: But the passwords themselves are stored in gnome-keyring so you'll typically get a keyring password prompt when you log in |
| 07:26.32 | enouf | Bogus8: wow .. just fooling with update-alternatives .. There are 7 alternatives which provide `editor'. |
| 07:26.56 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: so long as you understand the concepts in the tutor, noone is going to yell at you, however you might get some terse "read :help foo" responses for some of the simpler questions... but they're usually helpful over in #vim |
| 07:26.59 | Bogus8 | enouf: any that act like notepad.exe :) |
| 07:27.00 | PingFloyd | I don't mind rtfm nazi, it's grammar and spelling nazis that get on my nerves |
| 07:27.08 | PingFloyd | I mean this is irc for god's sake |
| 07:27.32 | hark | does nm-applet work without having to start a wm or X? |
| 07:27.36 | Bogus8 | twobitsprite: I think I might give it a go... there has to be something to that cockeyed program since it still exist :) |
| 07:27.42 | Wyzard | hark: No, it's a graphical applet |
| 07:27.43 | enouf | Bogus8: I did update-alternatives --all .. get to editors section then Ctrl-C when done :-P .. there's an easier way .. make sure to update-menus prior maybe |
| 07:27.49 | twobitsprite | PingFloyd: you missed a comma between "for" and "god's". ;P |
| 07:28.01 | PingFloyd | heeh |
| 07:28.02 | Wyzard | hark: A text-based equivalent could be written, but none exists yet AFAIK |
| 07:28.14 | Bogus8 | enouf: never heard of those but I'll give them a go |
| 07:28.17 | enouf | Bogus8: well .. that's all about taste .. I know what you mean though .. erm .. kedit .. is kind of suppose gedit as well |
| 07:28.24 | hark | enouf: try galternatives |
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| 07:28.31 | Wyzard | hark: (There's nm-tool, but I think it can only display info, not actually tell the daemon to connect to a network) |
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| 07:28.36 | piper69 | hey guys |
| 07:28.53 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, getting: ** (nm-applet:14093): WARNING **: <WARNING> nmi_save_network_info (): Error saving secret for wireless network 'sixbynine' in keyring: 2 |
| 07:28.54 | hark | Wyzard: yeah, otherwise it's such a great tool |
| 07:29.05 | Bogus8 | enouf: thanks for understanding the simplicity of what I'm after (no offense to the other peeps) |
| 07:29.07 | enouf | hrm .. galternatives hark ? |
| 07:29.10 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Is that your PSK network or the PAP one? |
| 07:29.16 | man_in_ltop | psk |
| 07:29.21 | man_in_ltop | PAP is not in range atm |
| 07:29.28 | enouf | gall stones + eitor ? |
| 07:29.33 | enouf | editor* |
| 07:29.35 | piper69 | i am haveing problem installing Debian sarge in one of my boxes, it dell dimention 8200... it always get stuck in the partitioner |
| 07:29.37 | deadcat | damn tvtime is a cpu hog on my machine. |
| 07:29.42 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Do you not have gnome-keyring installed maybe? |
| 07:29.51 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I don't know much about the workings of the keyring service |
| 07:29.53 | hark | enouf: a pretty cool gui way to configure and edit all the alternatives |
| 07:30.02 | man_in_ltop | gnome-keyring-daemon wasn't running before ... i'll restart nm-applet |
| 07:30.08 | piper69 | i even tried diffrent hhd but still same problem at the same exact spot |
| 07:30.12 | enouf | hark: hrm .. never heard of it .. must be a pkg? I presume |
| 07:30.19 | hark | enouf: yes |
| 07:30.26 | enouf | o b k b |
| 07:31.02 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: If it turns out that NM doesn't support PAP yet, it'll probably support it in version 0.7 or 0.8... their development priority has been to get the most common stuff working first, then move on to less-common configurations |
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| 07:31.17 | enouf | piper69: errors .. or description? |
| 07:31.36 | enouf | piper69: Sata HDDs? |
| 07:31.51 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, haven't noticed anything different with the password system, but i didn't run nm-applet in a term so i'm not sure if it's ok :) |
| 07:31.57 | piper69 | enouf nope ide |
| 07:31.58 | twobitsprite | so... where's a good place to get wallpapers that are generally distro/de agnostic? |
| 07:32.02 | Dark_Hunter | ji |
| 07:32.05 | Dark_Hunter | * hi |
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| 07:32.11 | enouf | piper69: if it;'s not a work station or mission critical machine .. try Etch |
| 07:32.26 | man_in_ltop | i think i still got the same error |
| 07:32.26 | twobitsprite | kde-look seems riddled with silly "I run blah!!!11" or anime... |
| 07:32.27 | Wyzard | twobitsp2ite: http://www.gnome-look.org/ http://www.kde-look.org/ http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 07:32.28 | hark | enouf: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/480 |
| 07:33.03 | enouf | hark: thanks .. I prefer CLI, but will give it atleast a "once over" |
| 07:33.04 | piper69 | enouf i have never used etch before what is the diffrence from sarge |
| 07:33.26 | enouf | piper69: support for newer Hardware .. and updated software |
| 07:33.27 | man_in_ltop | yeah, still getting the same error |
| 07:33.29 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Well, I don't think I can help with the keyring thing... but you should check the "startup programs" tab in the Sessions control panel to make sure nm-applet has put itself there, and then log out and back in |
| 07:33.36 | enouf | !tell piper69 about releases |
| 07:34.03 | enouf | piper69: see also http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch |
| 07:34.09 | piper69 | enouf where can i get etch please |
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| 07:34.40 | man_in_ltop | maybe i shouldn't be playing with my only network connection |
| 07:34.41 | enouf | piper69: www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 07:34.45 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 07:35.06 | Wyzard | That reminds me, I need to upgrade the firmware on my router |
| 07:35.14 | Wyzard | That'll be an interesting situation if I run into problems... |
| 07:35.29 | enouf | piper69: better is here .. but read all related stuff http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:36.07 | Wyzard | Anyway, bedtime... it's 2:30 here |
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| 07:37.12 | man_in_ltop | now that was annoying |
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| 07:37.40 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, is there any way to check if it's using gnome-keyring properly? |
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| 07:38.18 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I don't really know... I've always just gotten the keyring prompt, and I don't know the details of how it works |
| 07:38.50 | Euphidime | Could anyone link me to a decent guide for installing mysql-server as well as the appropriate library that contains mysql.h? I'm trying to migrate some software from our old FreeBSD server to this new Debian server, and we're having problems with MySQL (It's losing the connection to the server even though it's querying very, very frequently, so I suspect I probably set it up wrong) |
| 07:38.56 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: You could check whether gnome-keyring-manager works |
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| 07:40.20 | hark | Wyzard: what router? |
| 07:40.40 | Wyzard | Euphidime: mysql.h is in libmysqlclient15-dev, the development package for MySQL client software |
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| 07:40.58 | enouf | Euphidime: start here? http://www.debian-administration.org/?search=mysql&titles=1 |
| 07:41.03 | Wyzard | hark: Linksys WRT54GL running OpenWrt RC5 |
| 07:41.23 | Wyzard | hark: They released RC6 recently, and I want to try out X-Wrt |
| 07:42.02 | hark | ah, same here :) |
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| 07:42.48 | man_in_ltop | gnome-keyring-manager is complaining that the daemon isn't running |
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| 07:43.10 | Wyzard | or even DD-WRT, for that matter... I used to have a rather unconventional setup that DD-WRT didn't support, but now I'm just using it as a plain NAT router again |
| 07:43.20 | hark | i've been waiting to try the webif thing |
| 07:43.21 | twobitsprite | man... it's a shame aterm has such in-your-face colors... and the docs don |
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| 07:43.38 | twobitsprite | 't specify how to use colors other than the named ones |
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| 07:44.01 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: I think it's normally launched automatically by the GNOME login process, but I'm not sure of that |
| 07:44.04 | piper69 | enouf just a question, which one should i install. or what is it call , the way i use to install debain is portion from my cd and the rest from the internet |
| 07:44.17 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, i'm not using gnome though |
| 07:44.20 | twobitsprite | and it doesn't seem to like the #xxxxxx notation in .Xresources |
| 07:44.39 | hark | piper69: get the netinst |
| 07:44.40 | man_in_ltop | and just running gnome-keyring-daemon didn't seem to satisify gnome-keyring-manager |
| 07:44.57 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: ah... dunno then |
| 07:45.09 | hark | man_in_ltop: if you're running KDE, there's a separate applet for that. |
| 07:45.14 | enouf | piper69: yes .. using CD1 (650-700MB or so ) is ok .. but you will definitely likely want more dform the internet even with a full CD .. but most use net-installer ..with a high speed internet conn.. |
| 07:45.15 | man_in_ltop | ... |
| 07:45.26 | man_in_ltop | why do people assume that i either use gnome or kde? |
| 07:45.35 | fooz | man_in_ltop, well, which do you use? |
| 07:45.45 | man_in_ltop | not kde or gnome |
| 07:45.49 | man_in_ltop | xfce |
| 07:45.50 | fooz | impossible. |
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| 07:46.04 | fooz | xfce is really gnome disguised as CDE |
| 07:46.05 | enouf | piper69: I've setup debian with just cd1 but particulalry like the DVDs :-) Binary-1.iso only .. there are 3 total |
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| 07:46.46 | man_in_ltop | fooz, except that it doesn't look, feel, run, or behave like gnome, or use any gnome libs or features |
| 07:46.49 | enouf | !tell piper69 about d-i |
| 07:47.11 | enouf | hrm .. told you all that on my own already :-) |
| 07:47.16 | fooz | man_in_ltop, just minor inconveniences, easily rectified |
| 07:47.27 | man_in_ltop | is there some special way you're meant to run gnome-keyring-daemon? |
| 07:47.41 | enouf | !tell piper69 about ig |
| 07:47.46 | enouf | there we go |
| 07:47.47 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: According to ps, my running instance of it doesn't have any command-line options |
| 07:47.54 | karsten | Is there any good way to save a whole mess of tabs in konq to local disk? |
| 07:48.06 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, do you have gnome-keyring-manager installed? |
| 07:48.10 | enouf | KaiHanari: sure .. Settings .. Save Profile as |
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| 07:48.15 | enouf | karsten: |
| 07:48.16 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 07:48.17 | enouf | even |
| 07:48.21 | hark | there's a save session thing, iirc |
| 07:48.21 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 07:48.29 | karsten | enouf: yes! yes! |
| 07:48.36 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, does it complain about not being able to connect? |
| 07:48.40 | karsten | enouf: Ah.... |
| 07:48.44 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: No, it connects fine |
| 07:48.44 | enouf | orgasm already ? heh |
| 07:48.50 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: and shows me my list of stored keys |
| 07:48.52 | man_in_ltop | hmmph |
| 07:48.58 | enouf | would you like a cigarette now? |
| 07:49.01 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:49.02 | karsten | enouf: i thought that was the browser display config stuff, not actual content. |
| 07:49.18 | enouf | me too .. u7ntil I started poking around in there |
| 07:49.29 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: ah... I have an environment variable, GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-p5WLTO/socket |
| 07:49.32 | enouf | seems I poked in the "correct" plac |
| 07:49.34 | enouf | +e |
| 07:49.40 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 07:50.06 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: Apparently it works like ssh-agent |
| 07:50.10 | fooz | probably gets invoked specially in the session |
| 07:50.11 | karsten | enouf: Um. Care to enlighten me a tad? |
| 07:50.24 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, that env var seems to fix it |
| 07:50.38 | enouf | karsten: about? |
| 07:50.55 | enouf | karsten: i care not much for kde anymore .. for my purposes |
| 07:51.13 | karsten | enouf: I don't see a "save profile as". "View profile" yes. |
| 07:51.28 | enouf | hold a sec .. I'll fire up the beast karsten |
| 07:51.34 | karsten | enouf: Danke |
| 07:51.36 | fooz | karsten, that's it |
| 07:51.45 | karsten | fooz: OK |
| 07:51.47 | fooz | Save view profile "Web-Browser" |
| 07:51.48 | fooz | but wait |
| 07:51.53 | fooz | that'll overwrite the default... |
| 07:51.59 | enouf | Settings >> Configure View Profiles |
| 07:52.01 | karsten | fooz: Dig. |
| 07:52.01 | fooz | Go into Configure View Profiles |
| 07:52.04 | karsten | fooz: I renamed it. |
| 07:52.06 | enouf | karsten: ^^^ |
| 07:52.07 | fooz | then type a name and click save |
| 07:52.26 | fooz | but it only saves the urls (like Session Saver in iceweasel) |
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| 07:52.34 | fooz | not the actual content |
| 07:53.03 | hark | Session Saver does a lot more |
| 07:53.21 | karsten | fooz: enouf: that's it, thanks tons. |
| 07:53.26 | fooz | np |
| 07:53.42 | enouf | no prob .. karsten anytime |
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| 07:54.32 | fooz | my favorite plugin besides web developer |
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| 07:54.57 | fooz | it does almost everything |
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| 07:55.46 | hark | I use Tab Mix Plus session saver, too bad Iceweasel's got some issues with it. |
| 07:55.50 | enouf | konqueror has many features I like in a browser .. and it's highly customizable .. especially concerning javashit and stuff |
| 07:56.18 | Guerin | pity it's got a useless rendering engine and requires 200MB of libs |
| 07:56.21 | fooz | or maybe that's the one I use. damn |
| 07:56.22 | fooz | I don't remember |
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| 07:56.46 | enouf | was trting to remain focused on the pluses .. hehe |
| 07:56.51 | enouf | trying even |
| 07:57.07 | fooz | shit, you're right. It's TMP's sessions I'm using |
| 07:57.13 | fooz | but i do have all those plugins, hehe |
| 07:57.26 | fooz | Guerin, most things are negative ground. |
| 07:57.35 | Guerin | fooz: emacs |
| 07:57.48 | hark | yeah, it's the extensions that give give FF the edge. Inspite of the memory problems |
| 07:58.02 | Guerin | fooz: yeh, I know. It's the new way of saying `word' |
| 07:58.08 | fooz | ...ah... |
| 07:58.55 | fooz | yeah, web browsing's unbearable without my iceweasel profile |
| 07:59.01 | fooz | and all the crap in it |
| 07:59.09 | enouf | Guerin: atleast in GNU/Linux we have a choice .. somebody's feathers got ruffled elsewhere, when I pointed out how I hate a particulalrly corporate laden distro, and have found it best to leave the bashing to most things non Gnu, non-Linux :-) there's so much more out there to bash |
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| 07:59.37 | fooz | my firefox profile is 214mb :/ |
| 07:59.43 | enouf | just my take on it for today :-p |
| 07:59.44 | hark | heh |
| 08:00.10 | enouf | fooz: try links2 firecrud is a memory blackhole |
| 08:00.20 | fooz | links2 is cute but useless really for what I do |
| 08:00.24 | fooz | i need a real browser |
| 08:00.28 | Guerin | enouf: i don't get it. You let the disapproval of random strangers influence your behaviour? |
| 08:00.31 | enouf | ahh .. winders user eh? |
| 08:00.33 | fooz | i wish they'd update minimo (for pocketpc) |
| 08:00.40 | enouf | Guerin: not at all .. |
| 08:00.40 | fooz | enouf, um, no. ew. |
| 08:00.42 | deadcat | ./MAKEDEV generic to create /dev/ttyS0 right? its not creating it for me. |
| 08:00.50 | enouf | I pick my wars wisely -) |
| 08:00.56 | SpeedyG | hi guys, I've got to write an essay about linux filesystem management, the idea is to write something about journaling, but before one can understand that, you have to get some general idea about file-handling and the filesystem in general imo. SO what I wanna know is, is this a good setup for my essay: http://pastebin.ca/322317 |
| 08:01.00 | fooz | only time I use windows is when I'm warezing it |
| 08:01.14 | fooz | speaking of, I've got a copy of Vista to try |
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| 08:01.32 | Guerin | the amount of effort it would take to warez and install windows makes it not worth my time |
| 08:01.39 | enouf | Guerin: plus I made my points .. which then prompted ..yep .. you guessed it .. adhominen attacks |
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| 08:01.54 | enouf | how wonderfully productive |
| 08:01.57 | Guerin | enouf: you must be stupid ;) |
| 08:01.58 | man_in_ltop | ok, gnome-keyring-daemon is not asking for a password for the default keyring |
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| 08:02.06 | enouf | must be .. :-) |
| 08:02.09 | fooz | elf |
| 08:02.21 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: it's user friendly, alright. |
| 08:02.30 | man_in_ltop | s/not/now/g |
| 08:02.36 | Guerin | oh. |
| 08:02.39 | man_in_ltop | sorry :) |
| 08:02.45 | Guerin | that changes things somewhat |
| 08:02.48 | man_in_ltop | yes |
| 08:02.48 | fooz | SpeedyG, what's the topic, or the title? |
| 08:03.00 | man_in_ltop | i don't get the keyring stuff though |
| 08:03.18 | SpeedyG | fooz: 'filesystem management' it has to be about the way the linux kernel handles the filesystem |
| 08:03.19 | fooz | SpeedyG, this essay seems like it goes from low level to ext2 for Dummies |
| 08:03.20 | hark | is it asking you to set one or.. |
| 08:03.37 | fooz | SpeedyG, ah. well, it's hard to judge from the table of contents |
| 08:03.51 | SpeedyG | well, all I wanna know is if its a bit of a sane setup |
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| 08:04.10 | fooz | Guerin, gotta know your enemies |
| 08:04.16 | SpeedyG | (the rest has to be in dutch, so cant really just put it $ircchan to get some judgement about it :) |
| 08:04.33 | fooz | dutch is just english with no spaces, rot13'd |
| 08:04.39 | fooz | j/k :) |
| 08:04.43 | SpeedyG | lol :> |
| 08:04.47 | man_in_ltop | so what does this default keyring password do? |
| 08:04.49 | SpeedyG | gotta memorize that one ;) |
| 08:04.57 | man_in_ltop | ie, is it really important that i remember it? :) |
| 08:05.23 | hark | yes, otherwise bye bye all passwords ;) |
| 08:05.45 | man_in_ltop | hark, still don't really get it though |
| 08:05.58 | fooz | man_in_ltop, it's probably the keyring's own password |
| 08:06.11 | man_in_ltop | that doesn't help me understand it |
| 08:06.25 | fooz | man_in_ltop, ok. say you've got a bunch of passwords to services (your bank, your porn site etc) |
| 08:06.36 | fooz | man_in_ltop, and you put them in a safe (keyring) |
| 08:06.43 | fooz | man_in_ltop, you'd better remember the safe's combination (keyring master password) |
| 08:07.00 | buu | Hrm. How do you nice a running process? |
| 08:07.06 | fooz | man_in_ltop, or you'll need a demolitions man (1000 decryption computers running for approx 10,000 years) |
| 08:07.06 | hark | instead of rememberibg gazillions of relatively poor passwords, just choose one which is quite secure and that you can remember. |
| 08:07.07 | man_in_ltop | so instead of having to remember a bunch of different passwords, i have to remember a single one? |
| 08:07.11 | fooz | buu, renice |
| 08:07.16 | buu | Oh, heh |
| 08:07.54 | fooz | man_in_ltop, yeah pretty much |
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| 08:08.13 | man_in_ltop | fooz, so any time i need something to access the password in the keyring, i need to remember my keyring password? |
| 08:08.24 | fooz | man_in_ltop, yes |
| 08:08.26 | hark | broken record |
| 08:08.32 | man_in_ltop | :| |
| 08:08.33 | fooz | man_in_ltop, it'll unlock your keyring for 5 minutes or so |
| 08:08.39 | fooz | man_in_ltop, during which time you can use it free |
| 08:08.39 | man_in_ltop | then wtf is the point of a keyring? |
| 08:08.41 | fooz | ... |
| 08:08.42 | fooz | omg |
| 08:08.56 | man_in_ltop | think about it |
| 08:09.07 | man_in_ltop | i have my wlan psk stored in a keyring |
| 08:09.13 | fooz | man_in_ltop, i have. it makes perfect sense |
| 08:09.20 | man_in_ltop | so now instead of remembering that, i have to remember something else |
| 08:09.27 | man_in_ltop | big fscking deal |
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| 08:09.37 | Kryptor | hey |
| 08:09.45 | Kryptor | can someone please email me clint@kbomb.com.au to test my new mailserver |
| 08:09.45 | Kryptor | thanks |
| 08:09.48 | fooz | man_in_ltop, that's what you get for having a psk instead of key management |
| 08:09.56 | hark | that's what a keyring is |
| 08:10.15 | man_in_ltop | hark, useless except for something like sudo? |
| 08:10.25 | streuner | Kryptor: How about to mail yourself? |
| 08:10.36 | fooz | Kryptor, mail.google.com |
| 08:10.52 | Kryptor | do i have to sign up an account |
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| 08:10.54 | streuner | Kryptor: Just take your ISP mail-server |
| 08:10.55 | Kryptor | how easy is it to write an email |
| 08:10.59 | Kryptor | testing, subject testing mail server |
| 08:11.29 | fooz | Kryptor, how do we know we're not mailbombing someone named clint (or C. Lint, or Clin T.) |
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| 08:11.43 | Kryptor | because |
| 08:11.48 | fooz | riiight |
| 08:11.55 | Kryptor | do a whois on my name |
| 08:12.00 | Kryptor | on irc |
| 08:12.02 | Kryptor | then resolve kbomb.com.au |
| 08:12.05 | fooz | Kryptor, /whois me. I'm Jesus |
| 08:12.08 | Kryptor | it matches... wowo |
| 08:12.30 | Kryptor | now can someone plz send me a test email ? |
| 08:12.36 | fooz | Kryptor, Jesus Christ uses Cox@Home |
| 08:12.51 | Kryptor | wtf is that |
| 08:12.57 | fooz | exactly |
| 08:13.12 | Kryptor | send me an email |
| 08:13.28 | hark | Kryptor: just use a webmail account or mail yourself |
| 08:13.35 | fooz | mailbomber doesn't get it :/ |
| 08:13.39 | Kryptor | i dont have a webmail account |
| 08:14.03 | Kryptor | FOOZ are you retarted? perform a whois on mirc, you will get my ip, resolve it, its me, how the fuk are we mailbombing? |
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| 08:14.31 | sid | !ot |
| 08:14.31 | dpkg | [ot] off topic, or take it to #debian-offtopic please. |
| 08:14.33 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 08:15.01 | streuner | Kryptor: _HE_ isn't, but asking such questions in a channel with 700 people isn't that *clever* |
| 08:15.04 | man_in_shack | i don't see the point in using a keyring for a password that's not going to be used more than once per boot |
| 08:15.15 | smimp | and you misspelled retarded ;p |
| 08:15.17 | man_in_shack | if you also need to remember the password to access that keyring |
| 08:15.21 | Euphidime | Thanks for the people that helped with my question earlier. I've narrowed down my problem. I noticed that when my problem occurs, MySQL Is closing all of the open connections to it, which causes the software I'm using to fail (The developers, in their infinitie wisdom, just print that the connection was lost, instead of attempting to reconnect.) I tried asking in #MySQL, no response. :/ |
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| 08:15.36 | fooz | man_in_shack, you're misusing your keyring, probably |
| 08:15.46 | vega- | is there any way to find out what options a certain kernel module was started with? |
| 08:15.49 | man_in_shack | fooz, it's not me misusing it, it's nm-applet |
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| 08:16.04 | fooz | man_in_shack, anyway i think the idea is that with wlan, you can associate with a dozen APs with different keys. then you'd need to only know one password to associate |
| 08:16.19 | man_in_shack | on top of this, nm-applet still asks for the password to connect to the psk network |
| 08:16.28 | hark | man_in_shack: think of the keyring analogy. if your keyring just has one key, it's not of much use, but if you have many keys... |
| 08:17.26 | fooz | man_in_shack, well, the source is open.. you could always fix it if it's truly broken |
| 08:17.35 | fooz | I do |
| 08:17.37 | hark | man_in_shack: file a bug, if you care |
| 08:18.18 | man_in_shack | gnome-keyring-manager reports the password as being stored as something that appears to be an md5sum |
| 08:18.32 | man_in_shack | ok, it didn't ask for the password that time |
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| 08:20.24 | PingFloyd | vega-: look at the config |
| 08:20.25 | fooz | I tried getting KDE to know what a wlan is, but it just destroyed my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:20.33 | man_in_shack | hmm ... ok, it didn't ask for it that time either, but did ask for the keyring password |
| 08:20.42 | man_in_shack | can i change the password for the default keyring? |
| 08:21.35 | fooz | i don't really like any desktop environments for linux, but I like certain apps KDE has :/ |
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| 08:22.01 | streuner | Kryptor: How about to ask somebody who knows you? Or 2) How about to use your ISP mail account, 3) sign up for a different free mail account. |
| 08:22.42 | linuxnewb | debian there is any os with gui |
| 08:22.55 | streuner | heh |
| 08:23.03 | hark | !confuse linuxnewb |
| 08:23.04 | dpkg | Yes, where are their snake yesterday, linuxnewb? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra cheese |
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| 08:23.24 | enouf | !cheesesteak streuner |
| 08:23.29 | fooz | There are snakes on the motherfucking channel! |
| 08:23.35 | hark | hehe |
| 08:23.40 | man_in_shack | lol fooz |
| 08:23.49 | man_in_shack | so can i change my default keyring password? |
| 08:24.04 | fooz | i don't use Gnomes |
| 08:24.07 | linuxnewb | dpkg sory dont understand |
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| 08:24.19 | streuner | enouf: enouf! ;-) |
| 08:24.29 | fooz | hark, omg |
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| 08:25.09 | fooz | poor english-as-a-secondary-language speakers :/ |
| 08:25.29 | linuxnewb | how much have cd when i dawnload debian gui |
| 08:25.38 | streuner | one |
| 08:25.56 | streuner | !tell linuxnewb about ig |
| 08:25.57 | linuxnewb | but the one cd is gui or text |
| 08:26.14 | streuner | you install everything via internet |
| 08:26.17 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: ncurses |
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| 08:26.39 | streuner | debian-installer (d-i) comes with GUI |
| 08:26.39 | linuxnewb | i cant dawnload all |
| 08:26.47 | enouf | linuxnewb: the Etch installer has a GUI available for i386 and AMD64 , and p[erhaps PPC |
| 08:26.55 | man_in_shack | NetworkManager/nm-applet seems to take longer to connect than wpa_supplicant direct |
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| 08:27.13 | linuxnewb | streuner |
| 08:27.18 | linuxnewb | where can dawnload this |
| 08:27.20 | streuner | surely he has no firmware... |
| 08:27.27 | enouf | linuxnewb: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:27.37 | hengha | which package I should install to get nroff ? |
| 08:27.39 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: are you on dialup or broadband? |
| 08:27.48 | streuner | !tell hengha about search |
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| 08:28.09 | streuner | !find nroff |
| 08:28.17 | linuxnewb | enouf wich one i need |
| 08:28.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nroff' (6 of 16): (/usr/bin/unroff) in text/troffcvt ;; (/usr/share/mc/syntax/nroff.syntax) in utils/mc ;; (/usr/share/enscript/hl/nroff.st) in text/enscript ;; (/usr/share/jed/lib/nroff.sl) in editors/jed-common ;; (/usr/share/groff/1.18.1/tmac/mdoc/docj-nroff) in text/groff ;; (/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/nroff.vim) in editors/vim-runtime. |
| 08:28.35 | enouf | linuxnewb: answer the others also trying to help |
| 08:28.46 | fooz | groff |
| 08:28.52 | enouf | Ruff |
| 08:29.30 | fooz | miauw |
| 08:29.40 | enouf | !moo |
| 08:29.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 08:29.51 | hark | !zoo |
| 08:29.52 | dpkg | i heard zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 08:29.53 | hengha | I just did apt-get install nroff but can not find anythhing helpful, where to invoke that ! ? if I dont have it how can I find it by using unix find ? |
| 08:30.08 | enouf | heh |
| 08:30.26 | fooz | there is no nroff package. nroff is a unix software that is not free |
| 08:30.28 | enouf | a decent scorps sonf |
| 08:30.32 | enouf | er song* |
| 08:30.33 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: you didn't answer my question |
| 08:30.40 | streuner | hengha: why do you need that? |
| 08:30.45 | linuxnewb | hi ping sory |
| 08:30.45 | fooz | install GNU troff |
| 08:30.48 | streuner | hengha: (nroff) |
| 08:30.52 | linuxnewb | can you repet please |
| 08:30.59 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: are you on dialup or broadband? |
| 08:31.05 | linuxnewb | cable |
| 08:31.10 | linuxnewb | internet |
| 08:31.18 | streuner | linuxnewb: what's your native language? |
| 08:31.25 | linuxnewb | Maltes |
| 08:31.25 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: do you have a CD burner? |
| 08:31.30 | linuxnewb | yes i do |
| 08:31.38 | linuxnewb | i have dvd burner |
| 08:31.45 | PingFloyd | download the installer iso |
| 08:31.54 | linuxnewb | ping floyd from where |
| 08:32.00 | linuxnewb | can you give me the site becouse there are many |
| 08:32.01 | enouf | linuxnewb: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:32.04 | linuxnewb | i have p 4 |
| 08:32.07 | hark | the netinst would do as well |
| 08:32.13 | PingFloyd | http://www.debian.org/ |
| 08:32.19 | hengha | when I do some perldoc in emacs shell, I got sh nroff not found :-) |
| 08:32.29 | PingFloyd | up on the right you can select the language, by the way |
| 08:32.32 | streuner | linuxnewb: choose x86, but READ ig (install-guide) |
| 08:32.43 | streuner | !tell linuxnewb about ig |
| 08:32.48 | enouf | linuxnewb: you want the i386 |
| 08:32.53 | linuxnewb | ok |
| 08:33.22 | enouf | linuxnewb: p4 == i386 architecture |
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| 08:33.27 | linuxnewb | ok |
| 08:33.33 | linuxnewb | enouf this only one cd have |
| 08:33.39 | linuxnewb | debian |
| 08:33.59 | PingFloyd | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:34.02 | enouf | linuxnewb: there are CDs, DVDs, net-installer, businesscard iso .. etc |
| 08:34.03 | streuner | groff-base: usr/bin/nroff |
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| 08:34.23 | tututututu | wtf is this channel about ? |
| 08:34.27 | PingFloyd | your best bet is to the get minimal |
| 08:34.35 | linuxnewb | but |
| 08:34.40 | linuxnewb | the one cd is gui |
| 08:35.07 | PingFloyd | actually maybe you should get the larger one so you can install through the gui, since this is your first time |
| 08:35.10 | streuner | hengha: What's HARD to read the factoid (search)? |
| 08:35.15 | enouf | linuxnewb: there are over 17,000+ pkgs available .. 3 DVDs worth .. so d/l and install what you want .. and yes CD1 will have a GUI option IIRC |
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| 08:35.25 | linuxnewb | ping floyd where can fine the larg one |
| 08:35.41 | streuner | !topicsmite tututututu |
| 08:35.41 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon tututututu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:35.51 | enouf | !be a reading woody barbie |
| 08:35.51 | dpkg | Aww, reading woody is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 08:35.55 | hengha | streuner: you mean search on debian.org ? |
| 08:36.12 | hark | !search |
| 08:36.13 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 08:36.14 | streuner | hengha: for example, yes - packages.debian.org |
| 08:36.16 | PingFloyd | linuxnewb: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:36.21 | enouf | !be a enouf barbie |
| 08:36.22 | dpkg | Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 08:36.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:36.40 | hark | haha |
| 08:36.43 | hengha | got it, thanks :-) |
| 08:36.52 | PingFloyd | I've always done mine with floppy images, so I'm not sure which is which when it comes to the isos |
| 08:37.20 | PingFloyd | but netinst is probably your best bet |
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| 08:37.32 | hark | !love enouf |
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| 08:38.09 | streuner | no need for that anymore, it seems :-P |
| 08:39.07 | PingFloyd | streuner: for what? |
| 08:39.34 | enouf | hehe |
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| 08:42.36 | streuner | We had some '.sg' troll here lately... |
| 08:42.50 | streuner | so iam careful now :-) |
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| 08:46.37 | teledyn_ | what is group "disk" for? |
| 08:47.50 | fooz | write access to disks |
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| 08:48.28 | teledyn_ | ah yeah. |
| 08:48.36 | teledyn_ | i see that on the device |
| 08:49.44 | teledyn_ | i wonder what would happen if a user would be removed from that group |
| 08:50.00 | fooz | that's the normal state. normally users shouldn't be in that group |
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| 08:50.22 | teledyn_ | oh write access to the raw device |
| 08:50.53 | liable | teledyn_: a user shouldnt be in that group to start with |
| 08:52.54 | teledyn_ | i wanted to set access permissions to an external HD to a certain group, and was wondering if there's any preexisting group that would suffice |
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| 08:53.20 | teledyn_ | since i need to do this often on multiple machines |
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| 08:54.06 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
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| 08:54.42 | teledyn_ | we are you |
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| 09:02.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:02.49 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
| 09:03.11 | norken | what's the diff between the rcl etch installer and netinstall? |
| 09:03.42 | teledyn_ | norken: rc1 refers to version only. net install is a type of installation. |
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| 09:04.24 | teledyn_ | norken: you could have a net install of any version |
| 09:04.39 | norken | teledyn_: what's the diff between rcl etch and normal etch then? |
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| 09:05.27 | liable | its rc1 |
| 09:05.37 | liable | rlease candidate 1 |
| 09:05.45 | norken | oh! |
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| 09:06.09 | liable | the others are dailies or betas i guess |
| 09:06.36 | norken | is it possible to place a whole / fs to a server running apache2? |
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| 09:07.20 | teledyn_ | i just used the 2008.01.18 netinst daily and it worked great |
| 09:08.29 | norken | i want to place the / fs of my etch system on a server so that others can download it and have a complete running system. can it be done? |
| 09:08.34 | teledyn_ | then i transported back in time a year and realized i had the wrong date :-\ |
| 09:08.45 | norken | :D |
| 09:09.10 | teledyn_ | norken: um |
| 09:09.19 | fooz | norken, that won't work the way you think |
| 09:09.33 | teledyn_ | norken: how do you expect the users to be able to "use" what they download? |
| 09:09.35 | norken | fooz: then what way will work? |
| 09:09.49 | fooz | norken, tar stands a better chance |
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| 09:10.29 | fooz | norken, you know.. something that preserves the file type, name, path, permissions and contents, which http won't |
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| 09:10.47 | norken | fooz: i tar my / fs and place it in /var/www, will that work? |
| 09:10.55 | iveqy | is there a way to get ssh to use .netrc? |
| 09:11.13 | fooz | norken, if you do it right.. but it also lets anyone get your /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file |
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| 09:12.55 | norken | fooz: thought of the password issue, i would twit it so that the password is known. i would have a doc to advise people to change the password immediately. |
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| 09:12.56 | gpogo | fooz: won't norken have issues with /dev and such also? |
| 09:13.03 | ribnitz | heyas.. |
| 09:13.13 | fooz | gpogo, hence "if you do it right" |
| 09:13.17 | ribnitz | no pre-built 2.6.19 for sid yet? |
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| 09:13.58 | fooz | norken, if you have to ask questions like these, you probably don't know the right steps to take to tar up an entire system and have the resulting tarball extract to a working system |
| 09:14.17 | norken | gpogo: /dev has to do with hd devices. again, my doc would reveal to user the hw config the system was meant to run on. |
| 09:14.38 | teledyn_ | norken: you're probably better off using a tool like systemimager |
| 09:14.47 | teledyn_ | norken: create a golden client that can be cloned |
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| 09:14.55 | fooz | or a text file with instructions on how to set up debian the way you have it |
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| 09:15.58 | teledyn_ | even with systemimager you'd run into problems, because i'm presuming all the clients are non-uniform |
| 09:16.07 | ribnitz | norken: the problem with /dev/whatever is that there may be one or more logical layers (evms, lvm,devmapper,udev..) before the actual raw device. |
| 09:16.28 | norken | teledyn_: systemimager, 'golden client', both new to me, got to find out more first. |
| 09:16.50 | teledyn_ | norken: i think the best way is to use debian FAI |
| 09:16.59 | teledyn_ | norken: that is designed for what you want to do. |
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| 09:17.18 | norken | what does FAI stand for? |
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| 09:17.23 | teledyn_ | norken: and you can design it so that all the installer components are very minimal, and the installation pulls in whatever packages are required |
| 09:17.50 | teledyn_ | norken: Fully Automated Install - look it up, its a whole technolgoy very highly developed |
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| 09:18.55 | teledyn_ | !fai |
| 09:18.55 | dpkg | i heard fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 09:18.57 | norken | FAI would be like installing up to the point of a base system and then install all the required packages? |
| 09:19.18 | norken | manuallY |
| 09:19.22 | norken | ? |
| 09:19.23 | teledyn_ | norken: it would install whatever you tell it to |
| 09:19.43 | teledyn_ | norken: automatically, allowing for some hardware variability on the client end |
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| 09:20.14 | ribnitz | teledyn_: have you used it? |
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| 09:20.26 | norken | i already have a working system, no way to just allow someone to download it as a copy? |
| 09:20.41 | norken | and start using it? |
| 09:20.42 | teledyn_ | ribnitz: i explored it as a solution for something but ended up going with systemimager which was more appropriate for my case |
| 09:21.24 | ribnitz | norken: sounds like a case for FAI.. |
| 09:21.27 | norken | i'll look up systemimager and debian FAI. THKS. |
| 09:21.47 | ribnitz | I am looking for a pre-built 2.6.19 for sid.. |
| 09:22.14 | teledyn_ | ribnitz: in my case i needed to make a lot of mirror images for uniform hardware and systemimager was more appropriate. it is also platform-neutral which was a benefit for where i worked. |
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| 09:22.58 | teledyn_ | i should say distro neutral |
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| 09:24.13 | ribnitz | teledyn_: I want to automate the install (and config with sw raid) of a more or less uniform system. Type/Size of disks will vary. So might the upstream DSL provider. |
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| 09:26.28 | teledyn_ | ribnitz: SI may or may not be able to handle the variation. i'd check the documentation or ask on the mailing list. |
| 09:26.58 | BrianSteffens | ok, i can do ssh -X 192.168.1.X /usr/bin/executable... is it possible to forward the entire desktop environment? |
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| 09:27.17 | norken | FAI looks promising for what I want to do. systemimage, i got one for windows, and the rest of the sites are not in English. |
| 09:27.53 | blondie | BrianSteffens: not like that... you need xdmcp and xnest |
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| 09:28.09 | BrianSteffens | blondie: ok thank you ^_^ |
| 09:29.16 | norken | sorry, should be systemimager, one 'r' makes a lot of diff. |
| 09:31.31 | teledyn_ | norken: look up system installation suite. systemimager is a component of it |
| 09:31.53 | norken | k |
| 09:32.09 | sid | FOr some reason my gnome master volume(top right) doesn't control my headphone volume. I have to manually go to alsamixer and turn down the headphone volume |
| 09:32.17 | sid | How can I fix this? |
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| 09:36.23 | norken | teledyn_: cannot access the systemimager manual at www.systemimager.org/doc/html/. you know what's wrong? |
| 09:36.57 | teledyn_ | norken: apt-cache search systemimager. |
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| 09:37.10 | teledyn_ | norken: install systemimager-doc if you want |
| 09:37.22 | norken | k, i didn't realise it is a debian package. |
| 09:37.39 | teledyn_ | norken: also same thing with fai. fai-doc ... |
| 09:37.59 | norken | i want to go thro the man first before installing. |
| 09:41.20 | BrianSteffens | is there a bash command to print text or a file? |
| 09:41.42 | norken | installed the manuals systemimager-doc (3.6.3dfsg1-2) and fai-doc (3.1.4). got to go read them. thks, guys. |
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| 09:43.23 | lvalue | somebody got some good manuals how to make a jailed subsystem ? |
| 09:43.46 | Kryptor | YER |
| 09:43.53 | Kryptor | go kick a cop |
| 09:43.56 | Kryptor | in the balls |
| 09:43.57 | Kryptor | jailed! |
| 09:44.00 | Kryptor | ^^ |
| 09:44.50 | Caitriona | That wasn't even remotely funny. |
| 09:44.56 | Kryptor | ur gay |
| 09:45.06 | lvalue | Caitriona, don't feed the trolls |
| 09:45.38 | liable | that wasnt really feeding the troll, but yes he does seem to be one |
| 09:46.00 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: echo foo |lpr -P print0r |
| 09:46.02 | Caitriona | lvalue: the compartment package (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/compartment) seems to be something that would help. |
| 09:46.39 | BrianSteffens | Guerin thank you |
| 09:46.51 | liable | is there any free wiki.foo hostname services?? |
| 09:47.05 | lvalue | i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 09:47.18 | Caitriona | lvalue: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html has some mention of services under chroot. |
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| 09:48.38 | Caitriona | lvalue, liable: feeding the troll would have been saying he wasn't a very good troll... |
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| 09:49.00 | liable | i hate it when i buy something for linux and it completely sucks ass.. :( |
| 09:49.22 | Caitriona | lvalue: debootstrap may also help you |
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| 09:50.05 | Caitriona | but you'll want to trim down the system a bit further than what debootstrap gives you |
| 09:50.24 | liable | erm, debootstrap only does base?? |
| 09:50.35 | Caitriona | correct. |
| 09:50.48 | liable | trim down base? |
| 09:50.49 | lvalue | Caitriona, i tried yesterday debootstrap, but when I mount the proc filesystem I can see all processes of the host system, which was completely the reverse of what i was trying to accomplish |
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| 09:50.56 | Caitriona | but you don't even want everything in base residing in a chroot. |
| 09:51.32 | Caitriona | lvalue: linux doesn't have freebsd style jails, unfortunately. |
| 09:51.47 | lvalue | so it's normal I see it? |
| 09:52.16 | Caitriona | kindof, but I would avoid mounting proc inside a chroot |
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| 09:52.46 | zinx | lvalue: you could try UML |
| 09:52.52 | Caitriona | don't put proc there, and don't put anything from dev you don't need. |
| 09:53.06 | zinx | lvalue: seems like it might fit your needs better anyway.. |
| 09:53.12 | lvalue | if i don't do it, I kind of miss the networking and cannot start network daemons as they cannot bind to any address |
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| 09:54.49 | zinx | lvalue: http://www.eggdrop.ch/texts/uml/ |
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| 09:55.08 | lvalue | zinx, UML seems quite what i need, reading the package description |
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| 09:55.25 | Caitriona | lvalue: what are you trying to accomplish exactly? |
| 09:56.37 | lvalue | jailed subsystem, providing ssh access, compilers for software development and maybe some other things when the time comes up |
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| 09:57.15 | Caitriona | ok... |
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| 09:57.30 | Caitriona | a few things that would be good to look at then. |
| 09:57.33 | Caitriona | pam_chroot |
| 09:57.35 | lvalue | the point would be to give ssh access to software developers on a machine without interfering with the host |
| 09:57.41 | Caitriona | uml, xen |
| 09:58.09 | Caitriona | developers on a machine present a special security risk really. |
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| 09:58.46 | lvalue | from there the chrooted environment :> |
| 09:58.53 | Caitriona | uml or xen would be your best way to contain them |
| 09:59.20 | Caitriona | but I really question if that's enough, because they would still be able to degrade the performance of the host to some degree. |
| 09:59.54 | lvalue | ok, thanks for the help, seems like there is enough to read for the weekend :) |
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| 10:00.18 | enouf | perhaps also .. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/48 lvalue |
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| 10:00.52 | lvalue | well, performance issues are negotiable, and could also be limited a bit via ulimit |
| 10:01.27 | Caitriona | uml's probably your best quick fix |
| 10:01.42 | Caitriona | xen is probably your best long term solution |
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| 10:03.35 | lvalue | thanks again to everybody |
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| 10:07.11 | buu | Hrm. |
| 10:07.11 | buu | Xen only works with a kernel patch, right? |
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| 10:07.12 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:07.24 | Guerin | you ened a xen-patched kernel and xen host OS |
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| 10:07.49 | Equin | I'm trying to set up an snmpd server on my computer so that iog may connect to it, but I get a 'no response received' error. Any ideas? config files: http://pastebin.ca/322378 |
| 10:08.27 | buu | Guerin: What do you mean by "Xen host os"? |
| 10:08.36 | liable | surely theres a free wiki hostname service?? |
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| 10:08.56 | Guerin | buu: the err, client OS, I mean. It needs hooks to be xenworthy |
| 10:09.11 | buu | Oh. |
| 10:09.13 | buu | Hrm. |
| 10:09.15 | Guerin | buu: which is why you can't (maybe you can now, dunno) run windows in xen - because there's no build for it |
| 10:09.34 | buu | Hrmph. |
| 10:09.41 | Guerin | not that you'd want to |
| 10:09.42 | blondie | coo |
| 10:10.25 | blondie | actually you can run windows on xen :P |
| 10:10.26 | buu | Maybe uml. |
| 10:10.54 | blondie | at least, win2k3 |
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| 10:11.56 | buu | Silly internet websites with only 200k up |
| 10:11.57 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 10:12.12 | Guerin | they must have rejiggered somethingf |
| 10:12.27 | buu | Guerin: Something about hardware virtual support. |
| 10:14.04 | hark | for intel afaik |
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| 10:14.51 | krenin | Greetings, folks. |
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| 10:18.02 | krenin | It's mightyfully quiet in here tonight. |
| 10:18.07 | krenin | :-P |
| 10:18.25 | Acu | greetings and happy new year! - How can I stop the scrolling of the screen while booting debian? I know there is a file generated, what is its name and where is located? |
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| 10:18.55 | enouf | Acu: scroll lock .. then shift + pageup/down |
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| 10:19.03 | hark | !bootlog |
| 10:19.04 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 10:20.51 | Acu | hark and enouf: then I have to reboot right now - until now I used Knoppix to detect hardware (are we going to have a LiveCD debian?) |
| 10:21.15 | enouf | !livecd |
| 10:21.15 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:21.43 | enouf | Acu: check out grml.org as well |
| 10:21.57 | Acu | enouf: thanks |
| 10:23.11 | Acu | another question - since I started with Windows - I have hard time grasping LVM (or how you call it - when the hard disk is virtual and you can point even to other computer) |
| 10:23.31 | Equin | How would I set a program to run every hour? |
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| 10:23.43 | liable | cron |
| 10:23.51 | Equin | I don't know how cron works |
| 10:23.58 | larsl | Does anyone have an unofficial gtkmm 2.10 package + dependencies somewhere? |
| 10:24.07 | hark | !cron |
| 10:24.08 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 10:24.12 | vamo | Hello all, during shutting down of my single processor PC(Athlon XP1700) I obtain following message "irqbalance: irqbalance shutdown failed". Please, anybody knows, how could I repair it? |
| 10:24.13 | liable | Equin: man crontab |
| 10:24.46 | enouf | !whogoestheresmite |
| 10:24.46 | dpkg | Checks under hark's hood to make sure all engine parts are functioning properly .. |
| 10:24.53 | hark | factoids are awesome |
| 10:25.35 | Acu | I want to setup an apache server - I am thinking to have an IDE HDD for OS and one Cheetah SCSI for the Webserver - I understand that I can make a LVM but where to start learning to make one? |
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| 10:26.07 | hyper_ch | Hiho, any news of the Etch Release date? |
| 10:26.17 | hark | the installer has pretty good support for it. |
| 10:26.49 | Guerin | hyper_ch: just what you see in the /topic |
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| 10:27.05 | enouf | larsl: checked experimental? |
| 10:27.18 | Equin | after I edit my /etc/crontab, how do i make it reload the file? |
| 10:27.22 | liable | sheesh, it must getting close no, for fucks sake! :P |
| 10:27.28 | hyper_ch | Guerin: so nothin new yet... I thought it was going to be released in dec. |
| 10:27.33 | Guerin | Equin: no need |
| 10:27.35 | liable | now. |
| 10:27.39 | Guerin | hyper_ch: it was. |
| 10:27.40 | hark | most of 2.16 stuff is in experimental |
| 10:27.43 | larsl | enouf: You mean unstable? |
| 10:27.43 | enouf | liable: don't tell me .. not the dpkg querying |
| 10:27.53 | enouf | !experimental |
| 10:27.54 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 10:27.56 | liable | enouf: whaaat? |
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| 10:28.04 | hyper_ch | Guerin: anyway, looking forward to it :) btw, will it by default have python 2.4? |
| 10:28.10 | enouf | liable: close to WHAT! |
| 10:28.19 | liable | enouf: etch releasing! |
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| 10:28.27 | enouf | oh .. who cares ... |
| 10:28.28 | Guerin | hyper_ch: i doubt python is in the default install. |
| 10:28.42 | liable | I personally dont care, but am sick of seeing people ask |
| 10:29.00 | hyper_ch | Guerin: well, hmmm, I meant... hmmm... when I apt-get install python2.4 it has problems on sarge... :) |
| 10:29.01 | enouf | so am I .. such is life .. |
| 10:29.03 | hark | the closer it gets the longer it takes |
| 10:29.09 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 10:29.09 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 10:29.32 | liable | time to eat |
| 10:29.45 | larsl | enouf: I don't see it there in the "Libraries" section. |
| 10:29.46 | enouf | Guerin: I know you have a hidden stash of obscure factoids somewhere .. let us in on them :-P |
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| 10:30.13 | liable | dark damp recesses of his brain... |
| 10:30.17 | enouf | larsl: I don't even know what pkg you want .. or what it does .. was just a suggestion to look there |
| 10:30.27 | Kerr | I put an old cirrus logic gfx card into my pc so i can dual monitor, and added it into my xorg.conf.. it crashed after i hit ctrl+alt+backspace, so i rebooted ans switched the bios primary graphics to pci (the old card) not my current agp card. now my etch install boots up on the pci card, then when x starts, that card's monitor (15") loses signal, and the agp card's monitor (17" )picks it up. if i ctrl+alt+1 to get to tty1, 17" loses the signal, and[<Cut>] |
| 10:30.27 | Kerr | [<Cut>]it goes back to "15. I'll pastebin my xorg config if it helps, but what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:30.32 | liable | possibly mouldy as well |
| 10:30.52 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 10:30.52 | dpkg | methinks flw14 is cafuego [cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au] has quit ["Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 for Workgroups"] |
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| 10:31.25 | liable | the moose! |
| 10:31.27 | liable | !moo |
| 10:31.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 10:33.57 | hark | snort == angry |
| 10:34.23 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 10:34.29 | CharminTheMoose | I'm being compared to a cow. |
| 10:34.30 | CharminTheMoose | pfft |
| 10:34.40 | CharminTheMoose | the cow is the natural enemy of the moose |
| 10:34.54 | CharminTheMoose | :p |
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| 10:35.32 | iLLf8d | gnight all |
| 10:35.52 | Acu | Kerr: paste it man! - I know gurus here are ready to help you- if not - I might - I just went trough a bit of exercise configuring multiheads on different computers |
| 10:36.09 | Acu | !paste kerr |
| 10:36.09 | dpkg | kerr: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 10:37.55 | frafra | excuse me, what's the right version for a laptop monitor widescreen? I see all the things fat :D |
| 10:38.29 | Equin | are there any commands that allow me to view memory usage/cpu load of the system |
| 10:38.56 | hark | top |
| 10:39.04 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:39.16 | killerstorm | helo. is it a known bug that on current debian/stable tomcat4 does not work out-of-the-box? |
| 10:39.22 | hark | frafra: version? |
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| 10:39.48 | killerstorm | i wonder what did packagers think of, if it pulls kaffe and tons of x11 bullshit, but nevertheless does not work.. |
| 10:40.00 | enouf | !rabbitsmite CharminTheMoose |
| 10:40.00 | dpkg | sends herds of cows , to sick after CharminTheMoose with big nasty fangs and sharp teeth .. and after they're done, the cows let out an uproarious fart which saturates the atmosphere with methane, thereby killing all life on the planet as we know it |
| 10:40.24 | hark | lol |
| 10:40.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:40.38 | hark | !factinfo rabbitsmite |
| 10:40.39 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as rabbitsmite, hark |
| 10:40.44 | frafra | hark, etch |
| 10:40.52 | enouf | haha .. In and Out babY! |
| 10:41.04 | frafra | I don't know how to set the right resolution for a widescreen 14'' monitor |
| 10:41.21 | hark | !drxx |
| 10:41.21 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 10:41.49 | enouf | !comfort CharminTheMoose |
| 10:41.50 | dpkg | There, there, CharminTheMoose. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:41.51 | hark | frafra: do you know what res. you want? |
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| 10:42.17 | Acu | frafra: you might need to add to Xorg.conf - to your monitor one more mode (MODES) - the resolution you want Obviously 1024 X 768 is "classic" but if you search base on the size of the monitor you can place it there - save it reboot (Oh - save a copy of old Xorg. conf ) |
| 10:42.30 | enouf | frafra: may want to install and run hwinfo --monitor |
| 10:43.02 | CharminTheMoose | hurrah |
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| 10:43.12 | frafra | thanks |
| 10:43.19 | frafra | size: 904x190mm |
| 10:43.46 | frafra | opz... 304x190 :D |
| 10:44.42 | Acu | frafra: you might use 1152x768 - but I am not sure - if you search for the monitor they will tell you what you need to change |
| 10:44.47 | rahul | camel |
| 10:44.53 | rahul | wow I'm dunrnk |
| 10:45.08 | enouf | you prolly meant hump |
| 10:45.08 | frafra | ok, thanksù |
| 10:45.13 | rahul | heh |
| 10:45.23 | rahul | poor camel |
| 10:45.26 | Guerin | !beer rahul |
| 10:45.32 | hark | a moose with an identity problem? |
| 10:45.43 | rahul | no... I just had a blanton's manhattan |
| 10:45.51 | rahul | hark: exactly! |
| 10:46.19 | CharminTheMoose | ? |
| 10:46.22 | cornernote | has anyone ever setup scalix on etch ? |
| 10:46.47 | rahul | you wihsh |
| 10:46.59 | teledyn_ | i know this is totally OT, but has anyone tried Amor? |
| 10:47.03 | psychonate | is there an easy way to find the exact duration of an mpeg2 file? |
| 10:47.06 | CharminTheMoose | Look at my antlers! and my natural disposition to hide from cows |
| 10:47.12 | rahul | I'll make amor with a camel |
| 10:47.19 | hark | should be charminTheMoose to be a camel |
| 10:47.21 | rahul | cows |
| 10:47.28 | rahul | hark: !!! |
| 10:47.30 | teledyn_ | rahul: its an app |
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| 10:48.02 | rahul | the camel? |
| 10:48.03 | hark | teledyn_: that irritating thing from KDE toys? |
| 10:48.43 | hark | frafra: install hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor. Check the Resoltion there. |
| 10:48.47 | teledyn_ | hark: but imagine if it were more intelligent, and could speak and take commands |
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| 10:49.25 | Acu | Kerr: I am looking now at your Xorg.conf - first off - are you sure that your monitors support 1280x1024 ? - if not sure leave for both monitors only the 1024X768 |
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| 10:50.13 | hark | CharminTheMoose: antlers in winter? |
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| 10:50.37 | CharminTheMoose | hark: yeah. :) |
| 10:50.54 | hark | baby moose then ;) |
| 10:51.00 | rahul | camls takeing commands |
| 10:51.04 | rahul | how horrible |
| 10:51.12 | rahul | i should get drunk instead |
| 10:51.14 | Acu | Kerr: second you might try instead of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Xorg -configure (how the heck I forgot exaclty the command) however this will generate a new Xorg.conf a bit different - but with dual head enabled |
| 10:51.17 | CharminTheMoose | yes rahul |
| 10:51.20 | CharminTheMoose | GET DRUNK! |
| 10:51.23 | rahul | wee |
| 10:51.33 | hark | ride the camel! |
| 10:51.36 | frafra | Horizontal: 1280 1328 1360 1440 (+48 +80 +160) / Vertical: 800 803 809 823 (+3 +9 +23) |
| 10:51.40 | frafra | mmm... |
| 10:51.41 | rahul | yoiu know what I do when I get fdrunk? |
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| 10:51.56 | frafra | there isn't any 1152x768 |
| 10:51.57 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: is that even possible? |
| 10:52.08 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: sure |
| 10:52.11 | rahul | i'll show you possible |
| 10:52.12 | hark | frafra: seems to be 1280x800 |
| 10:52.17 | enouf | anything is "possible" |
| 10:52.43 | CharminTheMoose | 'Free your mind.' |
| 10:52.47 | hark | frafra: what does Resolution:_____ say? |
| 10:52.48 | frafra | ok, I'll try it :) |
| 10:52.55 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: either that or one party has no idea they're being PM'ed |
| 10:52.55 | frafra | 1280x800 |
| 10:53.26 | Acu | enouf: you should teach me how to do it so if I discover the cure for aging people will know |
| 10:54.05 | Acu | frafra: this is too much you should choose the closest to a 2 to 3 ratio |
| 10:54.25 | enouf | Acu: it's no biggy .. |
| 10:54.27 | frafra | ok |
| 10:54.32 | Acu | oK 3 to 2 |
| 10:55.34 | hark | Acu: the native resolution is 1280x800 |
| 10:56.02 | Acu | frafra: OK hark know more |
| 10:56.12 | AciD | how come the new desktop-base package (v. 4.0.0) add --link-local 169.254.0.0-- to /etc/networks ? |
| 10:57.21 | CharminTheMoose | hey dude, btw, for some reason both my cd drives have come back again.... |
| 10:57.33 | xingu | AciD: rfc3330? |
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| 10:58.02 | frafra | mmm... 1280x800... I still see people fat :D |
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| 10:58.34 | hark | frafra: xdpyinfo |grep Dimensions |
| 10:58.41 | AciD | ok |
| 10:58.59 | Acu | bye fellas - good luck with multihead and wide screen - frafra - hark is the master... |
| 10:59.10 | AciD | xdpyinfo |grep -i Dimensions |
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| 11:00.44 | frafra | hark, no output |
| 11:00.56 | concept10 | cocaine is weird |
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| 11:01.03 | Rprp | Hi, how can i change the time of my server in ssh? |
| 11:01.12 | alexey__ | people, do you know any Linux application, that's alternative to Windows Fraps? |
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| 11:01.34 | concept10 | alexey__, what is windows fraps |
| 11:01.37 | hark | frafra: it's capital D, or what AciD said |
| 11:02.08 | alexey__ | an utility to measure 3D performance of third-party applications |
| 11:02.16 | alexey__ | in FPS |
| 11:02.21 | meff | what's a good gui usenet browser? |
| 11:02.22 | AciD | hark > I don t have capital D in my output, that s why |
| 11:02.42 | AciD | meff > klibido, or pan if you like memory leaks |
| 11:03.27 | meff | thx |
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| 11:04.55 | hark | frafra: xdpyinfo | grep -i Dimensions |
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| 11:07.45 | Rprp | Hi, how can i change the time of my server in ssh? |
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| 11:08.36 | blondie | the date command, or better install ntp/ntpdate |
| 11:09.27 | frafra | 1024x768 (260x195 mm) |
| 11:09.44 | hark | frafra: so you didn't choose 1280x800 then |
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| 11:10.02 | frafra | good :D |
| 11:11.28 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 11:11.28 | dpkg | methinks qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
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| 11:15.30 | concept10 | Good Morning all! |
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| 11:20.45 | enouf | xingu: you bought a router? |
| 11:21.31 | enouf | or a cuisineart .. lol |
| 11:21.51 | Trewas | those new seagate drives are using serial scsi interfaces, I doubt there is any laptop using them :) |
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| 11:22.08 | enouf | !SAS |
| 11:22.09 | dpkg | well, sas is Storm Administration System from Stormix (A linux distributor), or Serial Attached SCSI |
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| 11:29.34 | chrom_ | hello |
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| 11:31.52 | cast | can anyone explain this? # ./seamonkey-installer-bin == bash: ./seamonkey-installer-bin: No such file or directory when its obviously in the directory, and executable? i can cat it, but i can't ./ it |
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| 11:32.46 | xingu | cast: what does ldd think? is it linked to an absent library? |
| 11:33.23 | xingu | cast: or, if it's a shellscript, does the interpreter exist? (trailing ^M on #! line?) |
| 11:33.24 | liable | i have come to the conclusion that #debian is full of drunks |
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| 11:34.07 | chrom_ | cast: have you tried running the program using the full path? |
| 11:34.12 | hark | hic' |
| 11:35.13 | liable | cast: and ls show what? |
| 11:35.20 | cast | # /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 seamonkey-installer-bin > seamonkey-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: seamonkey-installer-bin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:35.34 | cast | # md5sum seamonkey-installer-bin > ba745830afaf5d261c67d3e266e72eeb seamonkey-installer-bin |
| 11:35.40 | cast | i don't understand :\ |
| 11:35.58 | cast | full path doesn't work either |
| 11:36.07 | xingu | cast: is it x86_64 elf object? |
| 11:36.15 | xingu | cast: what does file think? :) |
| 11:36.17 | cast | ahh. now you're onto it |
| 11:36.32 | cast | its 32 bit, my bad. |
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| 11:36.48 | cast | i think the error message for ./ is kinda broken though |
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| 11:37.35 | xingu | bash bug? shirly you cannot be serious |
| 11:37.35 | chrom_ | it could be reporting an error related to something called within the script |
| 11:37.35 | cast | hmm, ill ask in #bash |
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| 11:38.45 | liable | i doubt its a script |
| 11:39.04 | chrom_ | it seems an installer script |
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| 11:39.38 | chrom_ | do a "file seamonkey-installer-bin" |
| 11:40.07 | cast | nah, seamonkey-installer is the sh script |
| 11:40.42 | chrom_ | yes indeed, with the binaries attached as uuenc text |
| 11:40.45 | Ebbs | HI! Does anybody know how to set the default gcc Version to an older Version, than the gcc package actually has? gcc-3.3 is installed. And 4.1 is default! |
| 11:40.58 | liable | export it |
| 11:41.07 | liable | !export |
| 11:41.20 | xingu | cast: execve should be returning ENOEXEC to bash |
| 11:41.25 | cast | chrom_: 32bit elf bin is seamonkey-installer-bin, seamonkey-installer just calls it |
| 11:41.28 | liable | hrm, surprising there isnt a factoid for that |
| 11:41.45 | teledyn_ | want to see somthing weird? drwxr-xr-x 3 djo djo 8 2007-01-20 03:38 ,kde |
| 11:41.45 | teledyn_ | drwx------ 4 djo djo 40 2007-01-19 20:00 .kde |
| 11:41.55 | teledyn_ | oh i just noticed the type |
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| 11:41.58 | teledyn_ | , instead of . |
| 11:42.03 | Ebbs | Is it possible to set default version to an older one? |
| 11:42.14 | liable | Ebbs: export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 11:42.36 | Ebbs | liable, oh thanks |
| 11:42.59 | liable | xingu: modules for your kernel? |
| 11:43.15 | xingu | cast: if you strace ./seamonkey-install-bin - does it indeed get ENOEXEC for exec/execve? |
| 11:43.56 | cast | xingu: dunno, i can install strace and try? am compiling from src now |
| 11:44.11 | Ebbs | !export |
| 11:44.38 | enouf | .msg dpkg env |
| 11:44.59 | Ebbs | .msg dpkg env export |
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| 11:45.23 | liable | wtf |
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| 11:48.32 | enouf | she's dead jim |
| 11:49.41 | liable | !confuse enouf |
| 11:49.41 | dpkg | Yes, where are your mushroom tomorrow, enouf? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cream |
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| 11:50.28 | liable | hrm, i think that comma needs to go |
| 11:50.37 | moebius | i'm creating a debian package following the new maintainers guide, how can I add a file to the package if the upstream .tar.gz doesn't contain it? |
| 11:51.32 | moebius | i'm trying to add a /usr/share/applications/package.desktop file in order to have a nice kde menu entry |
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| 11:53.14 | liable | moebius: try the other guide (cant remember the name, but its the real devs guide, not nm guide) or ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 11:53.18 | liable | moebius: or the ML |
| 11:53.21 | enouf | moebius: if nobody answers .. maybe try #debian-mentors and/or #debian-devel on oftc.net |
| 11:53.43 | liable | moebius: i am sure its in there somewhere |
| 11:54.18 | liable | not policy, but the other main guide for devs |
| 11:54.46 | moebius | developer reference? |
| 11:54.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.01 | liable | moebius: thats prolly it actually |
| 11:55.05 | enouf | moebius: see www.debian.org/devel |
| 11:55.45 | liable | moebius: try the mentors channel though, they should be able to point you to the rlevent doc |
| 11:55.57 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.en.html |
| 11:56.04 | moebius | ok thank you lot |
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| 11:56.49 | enouf | !dr |
| 11:56.49 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 11:57.04 | enouf | aha ,.. the Doctor is in |
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| 11:57.43 | liable | Ebbs: make sure he cuts down on your pills |
| 11:57.48 | liable | enouf: ^^ |
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| 12:02.43 | RvGaTe | How can i edit entries in the debian application menu ? i need to add some parameters to an application... |
| 12:04.25 | moebius | RvGaTe, you have to edit the file inside /usr/share/menu/ |
| 12:04.39 | moebius | and then issue a update-menus |
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| 12:07.01 | RvGaTe | moebius, i edited the file, and did an update menus, but it didn't update |
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| 12:07.38 | enouf | RvGaTe: which DE are you talking? |
| 12:07.51 | RvGaTe | enouf, DE? im using XFCE if thats what you mean |
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| 12:11.33 | enouf | I guess so .. the config for that will handle it usually in it's own ~/.xfce or someshit .. kde is much worse, and gnome even 10x worse than that .. but I can personally right click on any item and edit it through there .. though kwin is the manager, it's calling kde menu editor |
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| 12:12.53 | tiolpxe | hi for a home machine is it generally okay to use the testing release as apposed to stable? |
| 12:13.03 | enouf | sure |
| 12:13.23 | tiolpxe | enouf was that aimed at me |
| 12:13.24 | enouf | !tell tiolpxe -about releases |
| 12:13.33 | enouf | yep |
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| 12:14.27 | liable | tiolpxe: etch is fairly goo now, but you may get a hiccup or two |
| 12:14.31 | liable | good |
| 12:14.51 | tiolpxe | i'll be honest im currently using ubuntu edgy but i prefer debian. the reason why im currently using ubuntu as it works well on my laptop as it detects all of the drivers i require. However i thought maybe debian testing may also detect more than the current stable |
| 12:14.52 | Ebbs | liable, you said export CC=gcc-3.3? |
| 12:14.53 | RvGaTe | taking a shower, brb |
| 12:15.00 | liable | Ebbs: 3.4 |
| 12:15.27 | liable | Ebbs: you said you wanted 3.4.. |
| 12:15.37 | Ebbs | liable, I tried this but at last there is a version magic while I do insmod ipw3945 |
| 12:15.54 | cornernote | tiolpxe: it detects my nic where sarge doesnt... makes it a lot easier to install from netinst without having to pull the box apart and put in a new card every time :) |
| 12:15.54 | liable | Ebbs: what debian version you have? |
| 12:15.57 | Ebbs | liable, it doesnt worry 3.3 or 3.4 |
| 12:16.03 | Ebbs | liable, etch |
| 12:16.12 | liable | Ebbs: cat /proc/version |
| 12:16.21 | Ebbs | liable, but my ipw3945 wants gcc 3.3 |
| 12:16.43 | liable | Ebbs: why arent you using module assistent? |
| 12:16.48 | tiolpxe | yeah ive always liked the learning curve but when hardly any hardware is detected it just makes it a nighmare |
| 12:17.03 | liable | !info ipw3945-source etch |
| 12:17.09 | dpkg | ipw3945-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1.1.2-7 (etch), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 12:17.16 | tiolpxe | also does testing utilize inittab or upstart like ubuntu as i have found upstart to be a nightmare |
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| 12:17.21 | Ebbs | liable, Linux version 2.6.18.3 (root@debian) (gcc-Version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Fri Dec 29 01:12:59 CET 2006 |
| 12:17.53 | liable | Ebbs: you compiled that kernel i take it? |
| 12:18.03 | Ebbs | liable, yes |
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| 12:18.22 | Ebbs | liable, should I recompile ma kernel with gcc 4.2 |
| 12:18.25 | Ebbs | liable, should I recompile ma kernel with gcc 4.1? |
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| 12:18.58 | liable | Ebbs: i am confused as to how you have etch and compiled it with 3.3 |
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| 12:19.06 | Ebbs | lol |
| 12:19.18 | liable | not funny, vry unusual |
| 12:19.29 | hark | or even why |
| 12:19.38 | enouf | ma kernel? .. what's pa doing these days? |
| 12:19.50 | Ebbs | so I should recompile MY kernel |
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| 12:20.00 | tiolpxe | how many cd's are required to install debian ive noticed theres 24 but im presuming most of them are just packages |
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| 12:20.07 | tiolpxe | (Testing) |
| 12:20.08 | enouf | teledyn_: 1 |
| 12:20.10 | liable | Ebbs: how did you compile your kernel with gcc-3.3? |
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| 12:20.14 | enouf | er tiolpxe |
| 12:20.18 | Ebbs | secret |
| 12:20.32 | Ebbs | no, only joking, I donz know |
| 12:20.41 | liable | Ebbs: then you lose. thankyou, come again |
| 12:20.57 | tiolpxe | so if i download cd1 will that contain gnome? |
| 12:21.03 | liable | yes |
| 12:21.05 | Ebbs | I think I used an old kernel package Ive compiled |
| 12:21.13 | Ebbs | with sarge |
| 12:21.47 | liable | Ebbs: recompile it then if yoy have just upgraded to etch. and the ipw3945 is available in the repo |
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| 12:21.56 | liable | Ebbs: you can use m-a to install it |
| 12:22.07 | Ebbs | m-a? |
| 12:22.13 | liable | !m-a |
| 12:22.13 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 12:22.47 | Ebbs | thx |
| 12:22.52 | liable | Ebbs: if you are compiling from the sourceforge source, then you can set the cc version in the make file |
| 12:23.16 | enouf | !tell tiolpxe -about cd contents |
| 12:23.51 | liable | Ebbs: though exporting 'should' have worked.. |
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| 12:26.53 | Ebbs | liable, here a little shell log : http://pastebin.ca/322446 |
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| 12:27.26 | tiolpxe | what kernel does etchy come with as standard |
| 12:27.40 | Ebbs | liable, and I exported |
| 12:28.03 | RvGaTe | enouf, moebius , i needed to edit the /usr/share/applications/[some application].desktop |
| 12:28.05 | christopherl | where do I find Debian repositories? |
| 12:28.16 | christopherl | good ones |
| 12:28.28 | enouf | RvGaTe: ahh .. |
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| 12:28.40 | enouf | !repos |
| 12:28.43 | enouf | !repo |
| 12:28.49 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 12:28.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 12:31.12 | Ebbs | liable, thx for all I will recompile my kernel, Ive got to go! |
| 12:31.32 | liable | ok |
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| 12:32.25 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 12:32.44 | liable | la la la tralala lah |
| 12:33.07 | liable | banana splits! |
| 12:33.21 | tralala | liable, bored he? |
| 12:33.27 | liable | it was the theme song |
| 12:33.29 | christopherl | how do I add repositories in synaptic? |
| 12:33.45 | tralala | christopherl, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:33.51 | liable | tralala: always :) |
| 12:34.07 | tralala | :) |
| 12:34.45 | christopherl | if a want ex. sweden repository I only add this in sources.list: ftp.se.debian.org? |
| 12:34.48 | tralala | there was a champ who had my nick when I logged in. I hope he wasn't spoiling my reputation here :)) |
| 12:35.03 | liable | a champ? |
| 12:35.09 | tralala | 14:31 [freenode] -!- tralala [n=Miranda@pD9518E41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] |
| 12:35.11 | cahoot | tralala: and who are you? |
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| 12:35.32 | liable | tralala: hard to make you reputation worse |
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| 12:35.41 | tralala | cahoot, the more important question is what is my reputation! |
| 12:35.51 | tralala | liable, heh ;) |
| 12:36.02 | cahoot | tralala: you don't want to know |
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| 12:36.19 | tralala | cahoot, I guess not :) |
| 12:36.34 | tralala | ignorance is a blessing |
| 12:36.42 | cahoot | tralala: true |
| 12:36.59 | liable | ignorance unfortunately doesnt last forever though |
| 12:37.14 | liable | well, for most :) |
| 12:37.35 | liable | *zing* |
| 12:37.50 | tralala | liable, there are some who try hard keeping it and they do pretty well admitedly |
| 12:39.30 | tralala | so when will etch release? ;P |
| 12:39.31 | liable | it dwans on ya, maybe on your deathbed, maybe in divorce court, maybe in the bosses office, maybe on irc.. but it *will* eventually dawn on you |
| 12:39.37 | liable | dawns |
| 12:40.06 | liable | i think we need a wwersmite |
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| 12:40.47 | tralala | !be etch barbie |
| 12:40.47 | dpkg | etch is hard! |
| 12:41.03 | tralala | hard to release indeed |
| 12:42.06 | erpo | How can I convert DVD video to iPod-compatible (MPEG-4 video/AAC audio in a MOV container) video? |
| 12:42.06 | tralala | erpo, you can't |
| 12:42.06 | liable | mencoder should be able to do that |
| 12:42.06 | tralala | mencoder doesn't do .mov |
| 12:42.06 | pumpkin0 | erpo: frist rip it with the not-so-legal version of mencoder, then recode it. |
| 12:42.09 | liable | oh, .mov is quicktime shizzle innit |
| 12:42.33 | liable | of course.. |
| 12:42.35 | pumpkin0 | tralala: the switch from mpeg to mov is trival. there was a converter even for linux ... |
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| 12:43.08 | tralala | pumpkin0, is it in debian? |
| 12:43.15 | christopherl | when I added ftp.se.debian.org to sources.list I got an error |
| 12:43.18 | Danielss89 | hi, which clock does my php use?? when i type date over SSH it gives the right date, but PHP is one hour late |
| 12:43.28 | pumpkin0 | tralala: multimedia-repo i think, can't find it right now. |
| 12:43.35 | erpo | Hmm. mencoder. Thanks all. |
| 12:44.05 | pumpkin0 | christopherl: which error-msg ? (1 line => post here, more => pastebin) |
| 12:44.15 | christopherl | Is the right way to only add a URI to the sources.list or do I have to add something more? |
| 12:44.15 | cahoot | christopherl: this works here (for etch obviously): deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 12:44.19 | liable | erpo: also look at transcod |
| 12:44.21 | liable | ee |
| 12:44.23 | liable | e |
| 12:44.29 | liable | just one! |
| 12:44.32 | christopherl | ok |
| 12:44.33 | tralala | Danielss89, maybe your php has some timezone settings of its own |
| 12:44.45 | liable | that rediculous |
| 12:45.16 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 12:45.18 | erpo | liable: I'll check that out too. |
| 12:45.30 | liable | cahoot: your .se? |
| 12:45.39 | cahoot | liable: yes |
| 12:45.52 | tralala | erpo, you can find them in debian-multimedia.org (unofficial, questionably legal) |
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| 12:48.12 | liable | the legal part depends of your definition of fair use |
| 12:48.51 | tralala | in reality it depends only on how much you can afford to spend on lawyers |
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| 12:50.03 | liable | well, dvd's have players for windows, but just being able to play them in linux is apparently illegal |
| 12:50.20 | erpo | Thanks guys. I got what I need. :) |
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| 12:50.30 | tonyb2006 | yay for DRM |
| 12:50.33 | tonyb2006 | </sarcastic> |
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| 12:51.50 | sceadugenga | hi, im just wondering if there is a utility to set a BIOS password within linux. Is there? |
| 12:52.14 | liable | you prolly need a eeprom writer for that |
| 12:52.32 | sceadugenga | I don't want to go around to 240 machines and add a bios password to each one :P |
| 12:52.33 | liable | what kind of box? |
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| 12:53.05 | sceadugenga | err, they are lenovo think centres |
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| 12:53.17 | liable | seeing as bios is, um, bios, it would prolly be hard to write one. |
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| 12:53.40 | sceadugenga | hmm, alright |
| 12:53.44 | tralala | lenovo think center sounds like qotd |
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| 12:53.59 | sceadugenga | lol |
| 12:54.26 | pumpkin0 | sceadugenga: there are remote config progs for these. the windows-edition can do BIOS settings too, i would not be surprised if ibm did a linux-edition as well. |
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| 12:54.46 | liable | pumpkin0: link? |
| 12:54.59 | sceadugenga | really? |
| 12:55.06 | sceadugenga | yes, link please :) |
| 12:55.12 | Mark_Iron | hi ;-) ... does somebody have good or bad experience with the 2.5 inch diskdrive - Hitachi HTE721010G9AT00 (Travelstar E7K100, 24h) - 100gb / 7200rpm / 8mb cache ? - thank you in advance for any hint ! ;-) |
| 12:55.14 | pumpkin0 | liable: www.lenovo.com ... search box. wait a sec. |
| 12:55.51 | liable | Mark_Iron: google would be better, this is a distro specific channel |
| 12:56.10 | liable | Mark_Iron: though they did used to call em deathstars apparently.. :) |
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| 12:56.56 | pumpkin0 | liable: no, the deathstar-effect was limited to 3.5" and sizes from 15 to 60/75 GB. |
| 12:57.01 | blondie | liable: that was the deskstar, made by ibm |
| 12:57.07 | sceadugenga | there must be a better way than going to each machine to set this damn password :'-( |
| 12:57.08 | liable | pumpkin0: seeing as ibm will make you buy a new mobo for a laptop with a locked out bios pwd, surprised theres an app for setting em |
| 12:57.11 | blondie | Mark_Iron: #hardware |
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| 12:57.38 | liable | blondie: i thought they were hitachis? oh well.. |
| 12:58.08 | Mark_Iron | thank you very much liable :-) ... |
| 12:58.13 | blondie | the deathstars were before ibm's harddisk range got sold to hitachi |
| 12:58.21 | liable | oh |
| 12:58.23 | Mark_Iron | a good idea blondie ! .. merci ;-) |
| 12:59.10 | Mark_Iron | blondie: till now I didn'tt have any problems with 2.5 inch hdd drives from hitachi |
| 12:59.20 | blondie | do you now then? |
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| 13:01.48 | Mark_Iron | blondie: not particulary the new 2.5 inch 100gb / 7200 rpm drive |
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| 13:04.33 | pebblestone | Hi, I have a problem. Some system services like apache and postfix could not start up at boot time. 1) how can I check the boot up log? 2) I'm using webmin, what's the best way for me to ensure that some critical service is up at boot time? Could anyone help me ? |
| 13:05.11 | tralala | pebblestone, /var/log/syslog |
| 13:05.15 | pebblestone | tralala: ok |
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| 13:05.42 | tralala | and the best way to setup critical services is _without_ using webmin |
| 13:05.53 | cornernote | i know your not supposed to ask if X type of user is here, you just ask the question... but .... is there any sendmail gurus here ? ... now i will ask the question that goes with this... :) |
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| 13:06.22 | cornernote | i have the error in my mail.log file "AUTH failure (DIGEST-MD5): user not found (-20) SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database" |
| 13:06.24 | OffHand | hey guys, I just installed debian testing but testing still uses the old gnome desktop.... what would be the best way to upgrade? |
| 13:06.28 | pebblestone | tralala: ok, then could you tell me how to do it? |
| 13:07.05 | cornernote | i had to turn the log up to 15 to get this, but the error with the standard logging (level 9) was "localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA-v4" |
| 13:07.19 | pumpkin0 | sceadugenga: you may want to test LANdesk and the intel AMT-BIOS. |
| 13:07.47 | OffHand | should I upgrade to unstable? |
| 13:07.54 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: which version of gnome do you have now ? |
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| 13:08.11 | OffHand | 2.14.3 pumpkin0 |
| 13:08.24 | tralala | pebblestone, use the recommended setup procedure from the docs |
| 13:08.41 | tralala | /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 13:08.50 | liable | cornernote: you had better get used to not having webmin, because is has been dropped from the debian repos |
| 13:08.55 | liable | !webmin |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 13:09.06 | enouf | sceadugenga: wonder if DMI can do what you want .. |
| 13:09.07 | OffHand | I just moved from ubuntu edgy to debian testing pumpkin0 |
| 13:09.42 | OffHand | I like the latest stuff though |
| 13:09.53 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: 2.14.3 is the lastest version in etch. You can go unstable if you can cope with broken systems. |
| 13:09.59 | tralala | pebblestone, the docs for some packages are distributed separetly so may need to install <package>-doc as well |
| 13:10.02 | pebblestone | dpkg: is it that dangerous? |
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| 13:10.21 | pebblestone | tralala: ok |
| 13:10.38 | pumpkin0 | pebblestone: dpkg is the local channel bot and not a real person. |
| 13:10.43 | liable | OffHand: if you like the latest, get used to living with bugs. its great to use testing or sid, but learn to fix it when it breaks |
| 13:10.46 | mikearthur | I can't get Tomcat to load JSPs |
| 13:10.49 | pebblestone | pumpkin0: ok |
| 13:10.57 | OffHand | pumpkin0: I can pretty much help myself if stuff gets broken... is it really unstable or just ocassionally breakadge? |
| 13:11.04 | tralala | OffHand, debian does not offer the latest stuff in user-friendly manner. This what ubuntu is supposed to do. |
| 13:11.12 | cornernote | liable: i dont have webmin |
| 13:11.22 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: check the bts |
| 13:11.25 | OffHand | gues what... I do not want ubuntu anymore ;) |
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| 13:11.34 | pumpkin0 | !tell OffHand about bts |
| 13:11.48 | liable | cornernote: sorry, wrong nick |
| 13:12.16 | OffHand | thnx |
| 13:12.16 | OffHand | so would I just edit my sources.list? |
| 13:12.21 | Kerr | ugh... my pc just powered down mid-way through encoding a cd to mp3 in grip. Second time it's happened, and a hell of a noise came through the speakers. What could have caused this to happen? |
| 13:12.25 | OffHand | rather do it while my system is still clean |
| 13:12.38 | asg | OffHand: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:12.40 | liable | OffHand: a good way to start is by googling the answer you want :P |
| 13:12.40 | blondie | OffHand: you can't change from ubuntu to debian like that... it'll break horribly |
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| 13:12.53 | liable | probably |
| 13:13.02 | OffHand | I am running debian |
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| 13:13.06 | OffHand | clean install |
| 13:13.07 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 13:13.11 | liable | or it would be a fun exercise at least |
| 13:13.17 | OffHand | ^^ |
| 13:13.19 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: too high CPU-temperature ? |
| 13:13.24 | tralala | Kerr, a) hardware problem; b) driver bug; c) kernel bug (ordered by likehood) |
| 13:13.36 | OffHand | of to google me goes then |
| 13:13.39 | enouf | bad Ram |
| 13:13.39 | liable | asg: fix your qotd script! |
| 13:13.47 | OffHand | I'll get back to bug you guys a bit more later |
| 13:14.01 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: hint: sid is unsupported here. |
| 13:14.14 | liable | not always |
| 13:14.15 | Polleke | Kerr, I've seen this happen when streaming audio to a file. It was the first notice of a failing hd |
| 13:14.18 | liable | but mostly |
| 13:14.29 | enouf | liable: throw out that link again pls .. I was busy earlier and it sliped by me .. PM me if you think necessary |
| 13:14.32 | OffHand | pumpkin0: I can probably get some kind of support somewhere |
| 13:14.42 | liable | enouf: no! |
| 13:14.48 | tralala | OffHand, normally you don't get a lot of sympathy or support here when your sid breaks |
| 13:14.54 | liable | enouf: use /lastlog :P |
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| 13:15.06 | DukeDrake | how can I make debian learn a new key? |
| 13:15.13 | liable | enouf: dont make me troll my bookmarks! |
| 13:15.20 | DukeDrake | There's a key on my kbd which doesn't work |
| 13:15.27 | tralala | DukeDrake, reading the topic is a good start |
| 13:15.29 | Alakazamz0r | play a guitar tuner |
| 13:15.29 | Alakazamz0r | :) |
| 13:15.31 | OffHand | tralala: I understand.... fair enough. Although that almost sound like it is getting looked down on while testers are needed to get a stable release |
| 13:15.32 | Alakazamz0r | GaHAHaHAHAH! |
| 13:15.40 | Alakazamz0r | sorry |
| 13:15.42 | blondie | tralala: the topic has nothing to do with keyboard keys |
| 13:15.45 | liable | DukeDrake: xmodmap |
| 13:15.46 | Alakazamz0r | long night |
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| 13:16.30 | DukeDrake | tralala: "if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it" |
| 13:16.36 | asg | liable: I haven't touched that a long time. |
| 13:16.47 | maxy | DukeDrake: start with 'xev' and see if the event shows up |
| 13:16.51 | DukeDrake | liable: thanx |
| 13:16.52 | OffHand | I'm still curious to know if serious breaking is common or accidentally |
| 13:16.53 | liable | asg: i know, its been broken for months! :) |
| 13:16.57 | DukeDrake | maxy: thanx |
| 13:17.03 | tralala | DukeDrake, sorry I thought you were asking for a public key |
| 13:17.05 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: no, it is looking down on developers that cannot handle breakage other devs caused. sid is the devs playground, not a version for public use. |
| 13:17.18 | enouf | !slap liable |
| 13:17.29 | liable | yikes |
| 13:17.44 | asg | liable: well, it's been broken because the parser is minimal and the qotd's have all kinds of oddness. The site is down. Probably better to delete the factoid |
| 13:17.46 | capiira | anyone know a site that explains how to get all kind of movies to play inside browser? |
| 13:17.56 | OffHand | kk pumpkin0 |
| 13:17.58 | asg | liable: besides, stew has much better stuff on his vireo.org site |
| 13:17.59 | DukeDrake | k... xev says it works.... |
| 13:18.13 | enouf | liable: I'll get it when it's necessary .. I'm too tired to even bookmark another link |
| 13:18.22 | OffHand | I think I got enough knowledge to overcome most issues so I think I will give it a try |
| 13:18.26 | Alakazamz0r | <OffHand> what release are you using? |
| 13:18.28 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: at least you did not think about experimental (the hackers playground...) |
| 13:18.39 | OffHand | testing atm Alakazamz0r |
| 13:18.49 | Alakazamz0r | and its giving you problems? |
| 13:18.50 | liable | asg: it wasnt a factoid, i just remeber getting the url here once, it just came up while we were talking about dpkg's listvals cmd |
| 13:18.58 | Kerr | Polleke: smartd just emailed me >.> |
| 13:19.01 | Kerr | The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: |
| 13:19.03 | Kerr | Device: /dev/hda, 46 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
| 13:19.10 | asg | !qotd fortune |
| 13:19.10 | dpkg | well, qotd fortune is http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune, or run par 79d < debian-irc-qotd.fortune > debian-irc-qotd.fortune then strfile debian-irc-qotd.fortune then copy debian-irc-qotd.fortune and debian-irc-qotd.fortune.dat to /usr/local/share/games/fortunes/ |
| 13:19.13 | asg | liable: ^^^ |
| 13:19.21 | asg | !forget qotd fortune |
| 13:19.21 | dpkg | asg: i forgot qotd fortune |
| 13:19.34 | Alakazamz0r | what is 4.0 |
| 13:19.45 | asg | Alakazamz0r: etch or the current release of OpenBSD |
| 13:19.47 | liable | asg: oh, i didnt even know that existed.. |
| 13:19.50 | Kerr | seems to be one of a dozen emails :/ |
| 13:19.51 | enouf | get em while their hot folks .. you're seeing history evaporate vefore your very eyes |
| 13:19.53 | Alakazamz0r | oh |
| 13:19.55 | Alakazamz0r | etch. |
| 13:19.59 | asg | liable: yeah |
| 13:20.04 | OffHand | Alakazamz0r: it doesn't give me probs but I like the latest stuff |
| 13:20.05 | enouf | they're |
| 13:20.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where does Iceweasel put its plugins? |
| 13:20.14 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: go shopping... |
| 13:20.23 | maxy | OffHand: you can mix the sid version of just a certain package into testing if you need it (might take some libs too, though) |
| 13:20.23 | Alakazamz0r | OffHand, you have to choose stability over fresh meat. |
| 13:20.26 | OffHand | I like testing... it even is my job ;) |
| 13:20.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I put libgnashplayer.so in .mozilla/plugins but it's not picking it up |
| 13:20.35 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: did you know backports.org ? |
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| 13:21.04 | OffHand | no pumpkin0 is that like the universe and miltiverse repos in ubuntu? |
| 13:21.09 | Alakazamz0r | deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ etch main = superfast mirror |
| 13:21.13 | capiira | hmm nice site http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html |
| 13:21.24 | Polleke | Kerr, I'm still wondering wether it was my operation at the time. Or just the HD. I was working with 3 soundcards in my system, experimental ALSA version, streaming teamspeak audio onto my hardrive mixed with music, and at the same time to a icecast stream |
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| 13:21.47 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: it has some commently used "lastest" stuff for sarge and starts to serve etch as well. |
| 13:21.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone please help me out? :) |
| 13:21.51 | Kerr | ugh.. this is a new drive, not even a month old. |
| 13:22.05 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: did you restart mozilla after you copied it? |
| 13:22.11 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: about:plugins |
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| 13:22.17 | OffHand | pumpkin0: would I use that through the sources.list and apt-get or http? |
| 13:22.22 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: good news: get a RMA. |
| 13:22.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: Yes |
| 13:22.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Already checked it |
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| 13:22.28 | Kerr | err, no, it's a year old, was looking at the wrong one >.> |
| 13:22.29 | Alakazamz0r | apt-spy is pretty swift |
| 13:22.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: It doesn't show |
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| 13:22.38 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: sources.list is the usual way. |
| 13:22.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | And no, there are no redundant copies of iceweasel running in the background |
| 13:22.58 | Kerr | i bought the new drive 'cause the drive smart is emailing me about was showing signs of failure |
| 13:23.06 | blondie | Kerr: it'll still be in warranty though right |
| 13:23.08 | Kerr | guess i did it at just the right time |
| 13:23.12 | OffHand | so that would be the easiest way to go for me if I would like to have the latest gnome for instance pumpkin0 ? |
| 13:23.27 | Kerr | it's a maxtor 80gb ide drive, i don't even remember where i bought it |
| 13:23.40 | Polleke | Kerr, well, most harddrives have a bathtub shaped graph for failure. Most failures either occur in early lifetime, or after a long period |
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| 13:23.51 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: check the temperature these drives are running. 1 year old drives do usually not fail like that. |
| 13:24.03 | Alakazamz0r | yum is sooo slow. |
| 13:24.04 | Kerr | pumpkin0: how do i do that ;/ |
| 13:24.18 | liable | Alakazamz0r: err, wrong channel? |
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| 13:24.19 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: i would search backports.org first. |
| 13:24.20 | blondie | Kerr: you send it back to maxtor (well, seagate now) and they send you a new one |
| 13:24.34 | blondie | it's quite easy |
| 13:24.34 | Alakazamz0r | no, i just dislike yum |
| 13:24.39 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: "smartctl -a /dev/XXX" |
| 13:24.42 | Alakazamz0r | i prefer apt. |
| 13:25.00 | liable | ok... |
| 13:25.23 | Alakazamz0r | this is why |
| 13:25.24 | Alakazamz0r | http://pastebin.ca/322485 |
| 13:26.05 | liable | i would look if i cared about why yum is slow |
| 13:26.14 | enouf | asg: just so you know .. I'm saddened to see your factoid disappear :-( |
| 13:26.15 | Alakazamz0r | i just thought i would share. |
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| 13:27.18 | asg | enouf: no worries, it'll return at some point. |
| 13:27.35 | enouf | asg .. sweet :-) |
| 13:27.45 | karmatronic | Alakazamz0r, yumex is ok |
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| 13:28.15 | DukeDrake | could someone please tell me how I can map a new keycode with xmodmap? I'm getting very confused with "keycode", "keysym" and "modifier".... |
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| 13:28.39 | maxy | DukeDrake: xmodmap -pke > file; edit file; xmodmap file |
| 13:28.44 | Kerr | pumpkin0: 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age Always - 47 |
| 13:28.47 | Kerr | that? |
| 13:28.50 | DukeDrake | maxy: thanx a lot! |
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| 13:29.00 | Kerr | everything is listed as either pre-fail or old-age >.> |
| 13:29.16 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: yes, that way-to-high value at the end of the line. 40°C is OK, 47°C is not. |
| 13:29.19 | liable | DukeDrake: you normally just run xev, and tell it that the keycode should map to whatever you want it to do |
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| 13:30.20 | OffHand | pumpkin0: testing = sarge? |
| 13:30.34 | avtobiff | ja |
| 13:30.36 | DukeDrake | liable: xev just quotes all the keystrokes... |
| 13:30.36 | avtobiff | yes* |
| 13:30.40 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: testing = etch, will trun lenny in the near futur. |
| 13:30.42 | OffHand | I found this: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org/README.mirrors.html |
| 13:30.44 | tralala | testing is currently (still) etch |
| 13:30.44 | liable | DukeDrake: erm, lemme explain a bit better. you run xev, see the keycode, map that keycode in .xmodmap to what you want it to do |
| 13:31.01 | OffHand | thnx |
| 13:31.23 | liable | DukeDrake: and make sure .xmodmap is run at login |
| 13:31.34 | DukeDrake | liable: ah.... k. erm.... where do I find the keysym number? |
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| 13:31.41 | liable | DukeDrake: surely theres a few hits on google for this.. |
| 13:31.44 | Kerr | pumpkin0: i don't have that drive mounted, but my swap partition is on it |
| 13:31.46 | Kerr | ugh |
| 13:32.00 | Kerr | as is the boot record |
| 13:32.15 | tralala | you mount partitions, not drives |
| 13:32.33 | Kerr | sorry, no partitions on the drive are mounted |
| 13:32.35 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: it will not die in the next 5min. But you should do something about that temperature.... a new fan ? |
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| 13:32.54 | DukeDrake | liable: k |
| 13:33.07 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:33.10 | Kerr | it's screwed into the floppy disk drive bay since there was no room for it elsewhere >.> |
| 13:33.32 | Kerr | maybe it |
| 13:33.34 | Kerr | err |
| 13:33.43 | Kerr | it's 'cause another drive is sitting on top of it |
| 13:33.52 | liable | DukeDrake: i have only ever had to map function keys that linux hasnt seen, so my .xmodmap only has lines like 'keycode 234 = F19' |
| 13:33.57 | Polleke | I have place to mount a fan below my floppy disk drive |
| 13:34.16 | blondie | I wouldn't put harddisks immediately above/below others without direct cooling |
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| 13:34.25 | blondie | i.e. a fan in front/side |
| 13:34.28 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: well, it is your choice: killing HDs one per year (includeing the hassle with backups and exchanges) or mount them in a proper way and have them running for 5-7 year without problems. |
| 13:34.32 | liable | DukeDrake: but it shouldnt be too hard to map other keys to keys that have key codes |
| 13:34.38 | liable | lol |
| 13:34.45 | liable | if that even makes sense |
| 13:34.51 | Kerr | didn't even know they needed fans :/ |
| 13:35.08 | blondie | Kerr: depends on the case/their location :) |
| 13:35.17 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: things that are too hot to touch usually need fans. |
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| 13:36.21 | liable | i almost made a stupid comment then |
| 13:36.56 | liable | *another* stupid comment |
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| 13:37.25 | Kerr | ah |
| 13:37.37 | Kerr | it's now reading 51c >.> maybe i can fry a few eggs on it |
| 13:37.54 | Kerr | how would i go about copying the mbr to another drive? |
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| 13:38.04 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: eggs need 42°C, so yes... but it would take some time. |
| 13:38.46 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: total copy ? dd if=/dev/HD1 of=/dev/HD2 ... but only if the 2 drives have the same size. |
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| 13:39.21 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: and use "swapoff -a" and hdparm -y /dev/hdX to switch it off for now. |
| 13:39.21 | Kerr | i mean, i don't want to boot from this drive anymore, could probably do with making a swap partition elsewhere too |
| 13:39.30 | markit | hi, I can't purge old kernels :( all the problems started with 2.6.14, but since then old kernel (not in use) produces errors in post-purge process |
| 13:39.43 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you forgot a number of sectors |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: aste it somewhere |
| 13:39.56 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:40.03 | abrotman | markit: paste the error somewhere |
| 13:40.06 | markit | anyone experienced hangs in the purge of 2.6.14 and error like "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128" with more recent ones? |
| 13:40.14 | markit | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | markit: you can also put an exit 0 at the top of the post-rm script |
| 13:42.07 | Kerr | ahah.. setting it to standby made it give a light metalic 'tink' noise |
| 13:42.39 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: that was the head parking into a save position. |
| 13:42.47 | markit | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/322500 |
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| 13:43.08 | markit | exit 0? sorry, I'm not expert... where exactly? where is the post-rm script? |
| 13:43.18 | Kerr | pumpkin0: what about the ear shattering screech when it last made the pc power off (couldn't tell the direction, it came from all of my 5.1 speakers) |
| 13:43.28 | liable | my HD sounds like a wooden ball bounceing when it parks :/ |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | markit: are you using grub ? |
| 13:43.42 | markit | abrotman: yes |
| 13:43.53 | markit | I'm with debian sid, updated/upgraded frequently |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | markit: checked the BTS at all? |
| 13:44.10 | abrotman | markit: can you run update-grub manually ? |
| 13:44.17 | Kerr | usually sounds like when they power down the stargate, when i turn my pc off. this was agony >.> |
| 13:44.17 | OffHand | can I just replace etch with sid in the sources.list and run a dist-upgrade? |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 13:44.40 | OffHand | bleh |
| 13:44.54 | OffHand | a simple yes or no would do :) |
| 13:44.55 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: that was not the HD. HDs only make that sound once and do not startup again... It may be a driver thing. |
| 13:45.11 | Kerr | pumpkin0: grup, afaik, is on hda. Is there a quick/easy way to makd my current root partition on hdb the boot partition? |
| 13:45.14 | liable | OffHand: didnt i mention google before? |
| 13:45.23 | pumpkin0 | !tell OffHand about sid faq |
| 13:45.36 | Kerr | all of my pcs have don it, i think it may be cheap speaker wire wound about power cords and such |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | !tell OffHand about sid upgrade |
| 13:45.39 | Kerr | done it^ |
| 13:45.42 | Kerr | the noise, that is |
| 13:45.43 | markit | abrotman: mm in PC2 I can, in PC1 (the one of the pastebin) it does not |
| 13:45.52 | markit | "No GRUB directory found under /" |
| 13:45.56 | abrotman | markit: update-grub just hangs ? |
| 13:46.03 | OffHand | liable: sure did, it's either that my google skills suck or documentation isn't as easy to find |
| 13:46.08 | markit | no, gives the above error |
| 13:46.20 | liable | OffHand: your google skills suck :P |
| 13:46.21 | abrotman | there's a reason for that |
| 13:46.28 | OffHand | hehe I figured |
| 13:46.43 | OffHand | thnx for the pointers pumpkin0 and abrotman |
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| 13:46.55 | abrotman | markit: did you compile grub ? |
| 13:47.00 | markit | btw, I've also different options in the /etc/kernel-img.conf, I see now... anyway, I've the problem with both pc |
| 13:47.10 | markit | abrotman: no, I just update |
| 13:47.21 | markit | I compile nothing on my own ;) |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | markit: what's special about your kernel-img.conf ? |
| 13:47.50 | OffHand | I would appreciate it if I not get warned about unstable being unstable anymore... it's clear ;) |
| 13:47.52 | markit | abrotman: let me pastebin you |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | OffHand: do you understand how unstable it is ? |
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| 13:48.20 | abrotman | or rather .. it can be |
| 13:48.35 | OffHand | no because no-one could or didn't want to answer that question abrotman |
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| 13:49.04 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: usually a tad worse then ubuntu. |
| 13:49.10 | liable | markit: why do you have /boot/boot/grub? |
| 13:49.11 | abrotman | OffHand: things break .. sometimes badly .. data corruption can happen .. there was one issue in the past where if you logged out, you couldn't login again |
| 13:49.11 | norc | any package in the debian repos that decodes mp3 to plain wave for me? |
| 13:49.13 | OffHand | my question was... is severa breakadge common or just happens every now and then |
| 13:49.18 | markit | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/322515 |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | OffHand: define 'severe' |
| 13:49.35 | OffHand | if I am able to enter the command line I should be fine |
| 13:49.44 | liable | sure |
| 13:49.45 | markit | liable: is the way it has to be, AFAIK, depending of what I dont' recall now |
| 13:50.10 | liable | markit: no, whats 'ls /boot' say? |
| 13:50.11 | OffHand | not being able to boot at all anymore I would call severe abrotman |
| 13:50.17 | Kerr | pumpkin0: will it be safe for me to go to work now, i mean, with the problem drive in standby, will the pc refrain from dying and sounding like somebody firing a railgun ? |
| 13:50.31 | pumpkin0 | OffHand: well... keep a knoppix-CD nearby. |
| 13:50.43 | abrotman | OffHand: i didn't say it wouldn't boot .. i just said the issue was that you couldn't login .. the DD screwed up PAM |
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| 13:50.58 | OffHand | hmmm |
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| 13:51.01 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: switch it off to be sure. |
| 13:51.28 | karmatronic | X freezes when exiting webcam or tv application - I m using nvidia driver |
| 13:51.39 | anirban | I just install Debian etch |
| 13:51.41 | abrotman | OffHand: so yes .. bad things can happen .. |
| 13:51.46 | anirban | and installed kde also |
| 13:51.49 | OffHand | I'll give it a go... I got live cd's, a second computer and a seperate home and data disk |
| 13:51.49 | tralala | karmatronic, nvidia binary? |
| 13:51.58 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah |
| 13:52.03 | markit | liable: a lot of things... do I have to pastebin you, or looking for something special? |
| 13:52.05 | anirban | but in kde the Kde control Manager showing no option |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | liable: is your postinst_hook going to /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 13:52.08 | OffHand | worst that can happen is that I'll learn |
| 13:52.10 | tralala | karmatronic, does it freeze if you use the free driver? |
| 13:52.15 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah |
| 13:52.16 | Kerr | pumpkin0: It provides the net to a few other people's computers via ipmasq; they pay me for access so if possible i'd like to leave it on >.> |
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| 13:52.23 | liable | locifer: my postinst is going to bed! |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | anirban: ask #debian-kde |
| 13:52.30 | anirban | okay |
| 13:52.34 | liable | oh fuck |
| 13:52.36 | OffHand | and learning is my main reason to leave ubuntu |
| 13:52.47 | OffHand | among some other things |
| 13:52.48 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: check if the other HD is cooling down by now. |
| 13:52.54 | liable | markit: do you have another /boot dir within boot |
| 13:52.55 | liable | ? |
| 13:53.09 | bbelt16ag | hey has anybody compiled libvisual .0.2.0 ? |
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| 13:53.19 | tralala | karmatronic, does only X freeze or the whole OS crashes? |
| 13:53.19 | bbelt16ag | i am getting an error |
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| 13:53.53 | markit | liable: sure |
| 13:53.55 | karmatronic | tralala: i cant even switch to a console , neiher ssh to the box |
| 13:53.57 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: put it into a pastebin and maybe someone will recognise it. |
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| 13:54.05 | Polleke | bbelt16ag, it probably helps if you tell the error... |
| 13:54.11 | markit | asgard:~# ls -l /boot/boot/ |
| 13:54.11 | markit | total 1 |
| 13:54.11 | markit | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Dec 16 12:27 grub |
| 13:54.23 | liable | markit: ok, that kernel is already removed, so why are you purging it anyway? |
| 13:54.30 | karmatronic | tralala: im forced to manually shutdown and to tell my wife to do so when i m away from home |
| 13:54.36 | karmatronic | :( |
| 13:54.37 | tralala | karmatronic, and this happens with the free driver as well when _all_ the nvidia packages are removed?! |
| 13:55.04 | liable | markit: but, you have some weirds shit going on there, your .14 kernel stuff i guess is in that second /boot dir |
| 13:55.09 | markit | liable: because with dpkg -l I see that is in the "pc" state, I want it to be completely removed, and hate having errors with --purge |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | markit: what the hell did you do to your box ? |
| 13:55.16 | liable | markit: which i think would be safe to remove |
| 13:55.17 | karmatronic | tralala: when using nv driver, there s no nvidia at all in lsmod |
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| 13:55.44 | gothenburg | hi |
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| 13:55.49 | DukeDrakee | re |
| 13:55.49 | liable | markit: is there a config file for .14 in that second boot dir? |
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| 13:56.04 | gothenburg | when i updated my repositories now and upgrade the system |
| 13:56.13 | tralala | karmatronic, are you using any binary drivers for the TV or the webcam? |
| 13:56.16 | gothenburg | firefox 2.0 was installed |
| 13:56.23 | markit | abrotman: zmore /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:56.27 | gothenburg | where can i find 1.5 package? |
| 13:56.28 | Kerr | pumpkin0: hda = 42c hdb = 53c, hdc (/) = 48c |
| 13:56.41 | karmatronic | tralala: pwc for the webcam,saa7134 for the TV |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | markit: huh ? |
| 13:56.46 | markit | if you have a separate boot partition, you have to create a /bvoot/boot |
| 13:57.03 | liable | wtf? |
| 13:57.06 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: can you put a normal bathroom fan infront of the PC ? |
| 13:57.08 | markit | 3) edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:57.08 | markit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.08 | markit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.21 | liable | doh |
| 13:57.28 | markit | but this is not the problem |
| 13:57.29 | abrotman | see .. i knew there was a reason i didn't do that! |
| 13:57.37 | tralala | karmatronic, cat /proc/version |
| 13:57.39 | liable | markit: sure it is |
| 13:57.41 | markit | I can't purge kernels also in PC2, where I've not a separate boot partition |
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| 13:58.03 | abrotman | markit: but it's more that you can't run update-grub .. the kernels call that |
| 13:58.23 | karmatronic | tralala: 2.6.17-rt8 |
| 13:58.34 | liable | update-grub only sees the kernels in /boot, not /boot/boot |
| 13:58.35 | bbelt16ag | i think i found a solution |
| 13:58.36 | markit | abrotman: yes, that's right, that error surprised me... I have to fix it for sure, even if I don't know how |
| 13:58.36 | tralala | karmatronic, I need the whole output |
| 13:58.48 | liable | what moronic doc tells you to use /boot/boot? |
| 13:58.50 | karmatronic | tralala: gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #40 PREEMPT Sun Jan 7 19:01:52 CET 2007 |
| 13:59.04 | markit | zmore /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:59.08 | Kerr | hmm.. 24c in my room, opened the window. |
| 13:59.17 | Kerr | and opened the pc case |
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| 13:59.38 | tralala | karmatronic, did you compile this kernel yourself? |
| 13:59.38 | Kerr | would it be safe to pull the ide ribbon out of hda, so i can move it away from the 53c hdb? |
| 13:59.43 | humboldt | is there a way to still see the last dmsg messages or such after the kernel died? |
| 13:59.57 | Grub_Now | anyone frm san franciso here? |
| 14:00.07 | pumpkin0 | Kerr: opening tha case may or may not overheat over things. Let it run (you have backups, right ?) and check later. (no, IDE is not hotplug) |
| 14:00.11 | tralala | Grub_Now, looking for a date? |
| 14:00.11 | Polleke | Kerr, not with a live system, mounted or not |
| 14:00.13 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah |
| 14:00.24 | markit | abrotman: well, but is not really an error... just tells me that has found nothing under / |
| 14:00.26 | Grub_Now | tralala: no, but some work ;) |
| 14:00.29 | karmatronic | tralala:we ll say i m not a newwbie |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | markit: that's an update-grub error :) |
| 14:00.40 | Kerr | hmm |
| 14:00.53 | tralala | karmatronic, do you have the crashes if you use a kernel from debian or backports.org? |
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| 14:01.03 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah |
| 14:01.04 | liable | that readme is fuxored |
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| 14:01.25 | humboldt | what is sysrq? |
| 14:01.35 | tralala | karmatronic, I'm afraid you'll have to investigate more and send a bugreport then |
| 14:01.37 | liable | magic stuff |
| 14:01.38 | karmatronic | tralala: i think it s a mixture of hardware problem with some agp stuff |
| 14:01.38 | markit | abrotman: googling for: update-grub "No GRUB directory found under /" returns NOTHING! :( |
| 14:01.45 | cwraig | hi all i am having trouble with my menu.lst file is there any easy way to generate it? |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | markit: i'm looking :) |
| 14:01.51 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah that s what i should do |
| 14:01.59 | pumpkin0 | humboldt: a way to talk to the kernel after shit hit the fan. |
| 14:02.07 | karmatronic | tralala: but im still confident i ll figure a solution |
| 14:02.21 | karmatronic | karmatronic: just wanted to see if anyone runned any sinilar problem |
| 14:02.23 | anirban | ohh I am having another problem |
| 14:02.30 | tralala | karmatronic, if you're using a remote control for the TV you can switch to console while the TV is on and then turn it off and see the crash log |
| 14:02.32 | liable | markit: paste ls -l /boot, ls -l /boot/boot, /boot/menu.lst, /boot/boot/menu.lst |
| 14:02.33 | anirban | my dhcp client is deing after some time |
| 14:02.59 | karmatronic | tralala: cant use the remote control , not available in saa7134 |
| 14:03.05 | humboldt | pumpkin0: is that a way to find out, why it crashed? |
| 14:03.06 | karmatronic | tralala: it was in my old bttv |
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| 14:03.16 | karmatronic | tralala: but it stopped to work with 2.6.17 |
| 14:03.19 | humboldt | pumpkin0: how would I do that? |
| 14:03.25 | Kerr | i moved hdb so that it's resting against the floor of the case, suspended by it's power chord. man is it hot :/ that should give it a bit more room to breathe. |
| 14:03.33 | karmatronic | tralala: furthermore , the tv image quality was worst with bttv |
| 14:03.51 | pumpkin0 | humboldt: no, it just syncs the HDs, tries to umount them,.. if you are lucky that saves the dmesg to /var. But it is not a sure-fire thing. |
| 14:03.53 | markit | liable: http://www.pastebin.ca/322531 |
| 14:03.59 | tralala | karmatronic, you can try kill -QUIT then |
| 14:04.24 | karmatronic | tralala: when it freezes i just cant do anything ... |
| 14:04.53 | karmatronic | tralala: anyway ,talking to you just gave me an idea |
| 14:05.13 | tralala | karmatronic, turn on the tv in X, switch to tty1, kill it - if the kernel crashes you will see the log |
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| 14:05.30 | liable | markit: no, they were all sepreate ommands, ls -l /boot; ls -l /boot/boot; cat /boot/menu.lst; cat /boot/boot/menu.lst |
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| 14:05.35 | DukeDrake | re |
| 14:05.37 | DukeDrake | *sigh* |
| 14:05.37 | humboldt | pumpkin0: and I engage that by hitting the print key? |
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| 14:05.40 | karmatronic | tralala: wee why not |
| 14:06.03 | pumpkin0 | humboldt: there are different key-combos for different actions. ask google. |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | liable: /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 14:06.15 | markit | liable: I know, with ";" they are executed one by one, you can find the different output one under the other |
| 14:06.22 | DukeDrake | I tried my way through google but I couldn't find a keysym list |
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| 14:07.59 | liable | abrotman: yeah, brain fart :) |
| 14:07.59 | DukeDrake | I'm as far as "xmodmap keycode 94 = " |
| 14:08.14 | ironm | ll |
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| 14:08.22 | DukeDrake | the thing is, I can't type "<>" |
| 14:08.30 | abrotman | liable: kind of important :) |
| 14:08.32 | DukeDrake | That's the key which isn't working |
| 14:08.57 | tralala | DukeDrake, don't be cheap - buy a working keyboard! |
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| 14:09.12 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 14:09.16 | abrotman | markit: you might want to also ask #grub .. though they sleep a lot |
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| 14:09.30 | DukeDrake | tralala: it works on console... |
| 14:09.35 | DukeDrake | +the |
| 14:09.37 | liable | abrotman: does etch's debian.readme.gz say that about /boot/boot? |
| 14:09.44 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah the thing is it happens only from time to time , not anyway |
| 14:09.55 | abrotman | liable: yes |
| 14:09.58 | karmatronic | tralala: so it s even harder to trace |
| 14:10.01 | liable | weird |
| 14:10.07 | liable | doesnt make sense |
| 14:10.09 | karmatronic | tralala: anyway thanks for your attention |
| 14:10.20 | Equin | how can I see how much space I have left on my HDD |
| 14:10.22 | karmatronic | tralala: maybe it s my turn to help yuo |
| 14:10.31 | tralala | karmatronic, hmm. This will be a tought nut to crack. |
| 14:10.32 | karmatronic | tralala: any problem you run into ? |
| 14:11.14 | tralala | karmatronic, yeah - I don't have any money and I want to buy a car ;)) |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | Equin: df |
| 14:11.24 | Equin | thanks |
| 14:11.27 | liable | -h |
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| 14:11.38 | karmatronic | tralala: actually it s not such a big deal , only that i m using vlc to watch tv or webcam when i m not at home |
| 14:11.38 | markit | abrotman: ok, thaks, sure is a grub problem |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | markit: it's likely all your fault .. but it can't hurt to ask :) |
| 14:12.02 | karmatronic | tralala: and when the machine hangs , i cant use my home box anymore ... |
| 14:12.09 | tralala | DukeDrake, why don't you just reconfigure X and select the right keyboard type? |
| 14:12.11 | Kerr | hda + hdb seem to be cooling, hdc is still @ 48c :/ |
| 14:12.28 | markit | abrotman: I've done nothing more than use debian apt-get dis-upgrade, so never my foult ;P |
| 14:12.39 | abrotman | markit: all lies! |
| 14:12.55 | liable | markit: you just have one debian partiton? |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | markit: dpkg -l grub | tail -1 |
| 14:13.05 | markit | abrotman: users always say lies |
| 14:13.06 | liable | markit: show me the two menu.lst |
| 14:13.29 | liable | that wont happen without you doing it |
| 14:13.32 | markit | liable: thanks for your help, but I think is impossible for you to find a solution |
| 14:13.46 | liable | ok, good luck |
| 14:13.52 | markit | asgard:~# dpkg -l grub | tail -1 |
| 14:13.52 | markit | ii grub 0.97-21 GRand Unified Bootloader |
| 14:14.02 | markit | liable: thanks very very much |
| 14:14.24 | anirban | my network is not checking dhcp |
| 14:14.28 | anirban | though I have the entry in interface file |
| 14:14.32 | anirban | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 14:14.34 | anirban | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:14.36 | anirban | here is the entry |
| 14:14.42 | anirban | now restarting the network is not giving my lan card any address |
| 14:14.56 | liable | anirban: and you have an auto etho line? |
| 14:14.57 | tralala | anirban, try auto eth0 |
| 14:15.28 | markit | [15:15] <k8to> that sounds 100% unrelated to grub |
| 14:15.31 | markit | lol |
| 14:15.39 | liable | allow-hotplug is deprecatediirc |
| 14:15.53 | tralala | yeah? |
| 14:15.58 | tralala | why? |
| 14:15.59 | abrotman | markit: is that from #grub ? |
| 14:16.21 | markit | abrotman: sure |
| 14:16.29 | liable | tralala: to my comment? |
| 14:16.31 | DukeDrake | tralala: I wouldn't know which keaboardtype to select |
| 14:16.31 | abrotman | markit: are you kdding me? how is it unrelated to grub ? |
| 14:16.52 | abrotman | markit: can they tell you what the error is actually telling you? it can't find a binary? can't find a conf file ? what? |
| 14:16.53 | tralala | liable, yep |
| 14:16.58 | tralala | DukeDrake, select yours |
| 14:17.11 | liable | tralala: because i read it in a changelog? |
| 14:17.15 | karmatronic | DukeDrake: what kinf of keyboard do you have ? |
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| 14:18.01 | tralala | liable, you realise that's not the kind of answer I was expecting, don't you? |
| 14:18.07 | liable | the /boot/boot thing is doing it... |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | markit: hrm .. i think i found it .. maybe |
| 14:18.45 | markit | well, I've an error (128) from "post-removal script" not from grub directly |
| 14:18.51 | liable | tralala: i dont care, and will come over there and ram the answer you didnt want down your cake hole :P |
| 14:19.08 | tralala | liable, hehehe :) |
| 14:19.09 | DukeDrake | tralala: ... |
| 14:19.17 | markit | abrotman: I've partially solved disabling post-processing, so now I can't see the kernels listed in dpkg -l |
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| 14:19.30 | abrotman | markit: sure .. but update-grub has the issue when not trying to remove a kernel |
| 14:19.33 | markit | abrotman: in any case, removing 2.6.14 does not work even with this trick |
| 14:20.00 | Toast | aptitude has gone mental and is trying to download half the web and install it. Is there any way I can clear it's list of pending instinations? |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | markit: use the exit 0 at the top of the post-rm |
| 14:20.19 | liable | abrotman: kernel removes run update-grub, if its looking in /boot, but not /boot/boot.. |
| 14:20.22 | DukeDrake | ok, I got it |
| 14:20.38 | DukeDrake | xmodmap -e "keycode 94 = less greater bar bar" |
| 14:20.44 | markit | abrotman: ok, I try |
| 14:21.10 | markit | abrotman: you mean, the /usr/sbin/update-grub script? |
| 14:21.25 | abrotman | liable: you can edit the update-grub to echo the $grub_dir |
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| 14:22.04 | abrotman | erm .. the grub-reboot script |
| 14:22.13 | markit | abrotman: for 2.6.14 hangs as usual |
| 14:22.23 | markit | grub-reboot? let me find it |
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| 14:22.45 | abrotman | and it says it should be searching /boot/grub/ and /boot/boot/grub/ |
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| 14:23.10 | liable | just remove the entries from status and remove /boot/boot |
| 14:23.32 | markit | User hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm line 275. |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | markit: hold up a second |
| 14:24.02 | markit | liable: if I remove /boot/boot, I destroy my system boot structure |
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| 14:24.27 | markit | liable: have a look at grub doc, if you have /boot in a different partition, you NEED the /boot/boot directory structure |
| 14:24.52 | liable | markit: sure |
| 14:25.00 | markit | liable: read zmore /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:25.02 | markit | ok |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | markit: hold up while i read this script :) |
| 14:25.35 | markit | liable: "remove the entries from status" whre is "status" file? |
| 14:25.42 | markit | abrotman: sure, thanks :) |
| 14:26.05 | liable | markit: its a dpkg file, but i dont think you should do that |
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| 14:27.37 | abrotman | markit: vi /usr/sbin/grub-set-default .. go to about line 80 .. you'll see "grubdir=${rootdir}/boot/grub" .. right under that .. echo the ${rootdir} |
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| 14:28.44 | liable | yikes |
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| 14:30.22 | markit | abrotman: but grup works fine here, except in the --purge process... and also in the pc where I've /boot/grub, because a single partition |
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| 14:30.59 | abrotman | markit: that's the file that has the error you're seeing (from what i can tell) |
| 14:31.06 | markit | do I have to add "echo ${rootdir}" under "grubdir=${rootdir}/boot/grub" |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | i believe so |
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| 14:31.39 | carlus | hello |
| 14:31.42 | carlus | from france |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP .. the french have internet?! |
| 14:32.05 | markit | abrotman: same error, then hangs |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | markit: does it echo anything ? |
| 14:32.21 | markit | nothing more than before |
| 14:32.33 | carlus | anybody may tell me where i can download an etch for i386 ? |
| 14:32.37 | tralala | carlus, hi France! |
| 14:32.44 | carlus | abrotman: :) where are you from ? |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | carlus: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | carlus: not france! |
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| 14:33.30 | abrotman | markit: bah .. silly bash! |
| 14:33.42 | markit | abrotman: well, I can try to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm |
| 14:33.43 | carlus | i can install just with the first CD ? |
| 14:33.50 | markit | and try to skip errors there |
| 14:34.10 | Ebbs | Hi! How can I get a better error output with insmod? Im only getting invalid module format, but I would like to know, what exacly differs! |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | markit: you can try that |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | Ebbs: use modprobe |
| 14:34.23 | tralala | carlus, you can even install with the netinst |
| 14:34.30 | liable | Ebbs: did you compile a new kernel? |
| 14:34.32 | yassine_ | anyone here from .jp guys ? |
| 14:34.46 | carlus | tralala: no, the net install is to long, i tryed |
| 14:35.10 | Ebbs | liable, yes and no, I did it a few weeks ago |
| 14:35.12 | carlus | 3 DVD for debian ????????? |
| 14:35.15 | liable | Ebbs: for 2.6 you should use modprobe too btw |
| 14:35.20 | dvs | carlus: for etch |
| 14:35.27 | carlus | yes |
| 14:35.27 | Ebbs | liable, but with gcc 4.1 |
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| 14:35.49 | tralala | carlus, too long? It's faster than downloading all the CDs/DVDs |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | markit: so you don't have a /boot/boot/grub/ .. just a /boot/grub/ ? |
| 14:36.03 | liable | Ebbs: why dont you apt-get install a 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | carlus: get the netinst |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 14:36.44 | carlus | yes, but i need a support for futures installs whithout connection |
| 14:36.46 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18687 packages, 1723 maintainers, 41370 MB installed size, 13464 MB compressed size. |
| 14:36.54 | carlus | why 3 DVD ? |
| 14:36.59 | Ebbs | liable, my other kernel is ver. 2.6.18-3-386 |
| 14:37.03 | Toast | Is it possable to accidently tell aptitude to install all packages that other packages only recommend? |
| 14:37.03 | abrotman | carlus: there's a lot of software .. you can get it on CD too ;) |
| 14:37.07 | liable | carlus: lots of packages.. |
| 14:37.08 | carlus | may i use just the firts ? |
| 14:37.15 | liable | Ebbs: boot that kernel |
| 14:37.16 | abrotman | Toast: yes |
| 14:37.17 | carlus | the first |
| 14:37.24 | Ebbs | liable, I did |
| 14:37.24 | dvs | abrotman: what's that? 20 CDs? |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | carlus: you can .. but it might not have all the software you want |
| 14:37.32 | carlus | and just with the first cd ? |
| 14:37.35 | Toast | abrotman: I take it this is not the default behavour? |
| 14:37.35 | abrotman | dvs: i think it's 17 or something |
| 14:37.39 | liable | Ebbs: once you have, do apt-get install ipw3945-source |
| 14:37.41 | dvs | whew! |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | Toast: i thought it was |
| 14:37.49 | carlus | apt is my friend after the install, no ? |
| 14:38.01 | liable | Ebbs: then apt-get install module-assistant |
| 14:38.01 | dvs | carlus: absolutely! |
| 14:38.05 | liable | Ebbs: then m-a a-i ipw3945 |
| 14:38.07 | abrotman | dvs: nope .. 21 :) |
| 14:38.13 | Toast | abrotman: all of a sudden, I have a list of packages as long as my arm to install, and I have no idea where they came from. |
| 14:38.14 | dvs | o_O |
| 14:38.16 | markit | abrotman: you gave me a nice idea... I copied 2.6.17 pm script over 2.6.14, at least it has disappeared from dpkg - l :)) |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | carlus: apt-get .. or aptitude |
| 14:38.24 | bbelt16ag | what is the package for the Standard C Math Library |
| 14:38.27 | carlus | so for a minimal with apt, i take just the first cd ? |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | markit: hehe ... you cheated! |
| 14:38.34 | Ebbs | liable, ive got no internet anymore on my laptop, Im sitting now at another PC |
| 14:38.50 | Ebbs | liable, same shit happened with lan! |
| 14:38.50 | tralala | carlus, yes, just take the first cd |
| 14:38.51 | liable | Ebbs: it doesnt have ethernet? |
| 14:38.52 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: apt-cache search ... |
| 14:38.58 | abrotman | markit: so it's .. solved? |
| 14:39.06 | Toast | Aptitude is telling me the update it has planned will take 12GB of disk space! |
| 14:39.22 | Toast | I was only trying to install dchp |
| 14:39.33 | Toast | s/dchp/dhcp |
| 14:39.40 | liable | Toast: purge and reinstall aptitude with apt-get |
| 14:39.40 | markit | abrotman: mmm yes, but I've errors if I can to remove 2.6.17... seems that something broke since 2.6.14, and nothing will work anymore |
| 14:39.40 | dvs | Toast: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:39.41 | Ebbs | liable, yes but it is a agere adapter, with compiled module myself |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | markit: same error ? |
| 14:40.16 | bbelt16ag | i tired that i am confused so i asked yall geesh |
| 14:40.21 | Ebbs | liable, How can I get a better error output with insmod? Im only getting invalid module format, but I would like to know, what exacly differs! |
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| 14:40.23 | bbelt16ag | which one is it? |
| 14:40.41 | bbelt16ag | i have having bloat cause i install like 10 packges i dont freaking need |
| 14:40.42 | dvs | !insmod |
| 14:40.42 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 14:40.54 | markit | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/322568 |
| 14:40.54 | bbelt16ag | why isnt there a standard naming scheme? |
| 14:41.06 | odla | is there a theme manager for compiz in debian? i installed compiz and it's working great but i don't have a gui for managing it ... any ideas what i need to install? |
| 14:41.16 | markit | I've tried with with apt-get --purge remove this time,instead of dpkg |
| 14:42.04 | Ebbs | liable, FATAL: Module ....ko not found!! |
| 14:42.06 | Toast | dvs: all the standard ones + www.debian-multimedia.org/ will post a pastbin of the entire list. |
| 14:42.10 | abrotman | markit: and do you actually have a /boot/boot/grub/ ? |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | markit: your update-grub earlier thought it was in /boot/grub/ |
| 14:42.38 | Toast | My sources list. http://pastebin.com/863550 |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. that was PC2 |
| 14:42.57 | markit | abrotman: yes, but these errors happen also where Iìve only /boot/grub, only that error messages are in italian, since I've set that language there |
| 14:43.04 | markit | yes :) |
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| 14:44.36 | Toast | dvs: abrotman: the list there hasn't changed though. |
| 14:44.38 | dvs | Toast: why do you have the DVD and web site? |
| 14:45.05 | Toast | dvs: because I installed from the DVD and didn't have any need to remove it from the list. |
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| 14:45.14 | dvs | Toast: I would |
| 14:45.15 | Ebbs | liable, modprobe ieee80211 WARNING: Error inserting .................................: Invalid module format |
| 14:45.20 | Toast | Ok |
| 14:45.56 | Toast | restating aptitude...same problem. |
| 14:46.04 | carlus | tralala: tks for your help |
| 14:46.09 | carlus | i download it |
| 14:46.11 | liable | Ebbs: no idea, i have been compiling the ipw3945 for about 6 months and havent seen that, so i dunno wtf you have done |
| 14:46.16 | tralala | carlus, you're welcome |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | markit: so freaking odd ... |
| 14:46.30 | liable | Ebbs: including compiling ieee80211 |
| 14:46.36 | Toast | perhaps if I uninstall aptitude and reinstall it, it will clear the list. |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | markit: did you add tha tline to grub-set-default ? |
| 14:47.00 | liable | Toast: didnt i mention that?? |
| 14:47.05 | tralala | Ebbs, you must have compiled the module with a different gcc version than the kernel |
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| 14:47.22 | Toast | liable: yes you did. Sorry I missed it. |
| 14:47.28 | dvs | liable: no, you were talking to air. ;-) |
| 14:47.36 | markit | abrotman: yes, but then I removed it |
| 14:47.39 | Ebbs | How can I get a better error output with modprobe? Im only getting "invalid module format", but I would like to know, what exacly differs! Has anybody else an answer? |
| 14:47.40 | liable | dvs: it seems so tonight |
| 14:47.44 | dvs | heh |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | markit: erm .. okay |
| 14:47.51 | dvs | liable: did you say something? |
| 14:47.53 | dvs | ;-) |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | markit: upate-grub is calling grub-set-default . which is throwing that error |
| 14:47.57 | liable | hehe |
| 14:48.10 | tralala | Ebbs, try modinfo <modulename> |
| 14:48.28 | markit | abrotman: but adding exit 0 at the top, skips the script, I guess... |
| 14:48.52 | abrotman | markit: it does .. which will get you to having an uninstalled kernel .. but you should probably file a bug |
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| 14:49.32 | Ebbs | tralala, I did modinfo, but I want to know waht exactly the kernel wants! |
| 14:49.46 | perlmonkey | does anyone know if there is an issue with Apache2 + Mod_perl concerning language accents? Since I installed mod_perl accents are no longer displaying in pages |
| 14:49.49 | markit | abrotman: unfortunatly file a bug is useless... probably something broke at the times of 2.6.14, and now onderstand what is wrong is nearly impossible |
| 14:49.56 | tralala | Ebbs, cat /proc/version |
| 14:50.03 | markit | except for some debian + grub guru |
| 14:50.18 | Toast | liable: a remove / install cycle made no difference |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | markit: that's why i had you add the echo :) |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | markit: in mine i added echo "** ${rootdir} ** ${grubdir} ** " 1>&2 .. and when i run "grub-set-default default" it shows me that grub is in /boot/grub/ |
| 14:51.40 | markit | abrotman: probably my script hangs/produces an error before that stage |
| 14:51.57 | markit | let me try again |
| 14:52.10 | abrotman | markit: the error you're showing us comes from that file AFAICT .. i couldn't find another matching error in the source files |
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| 14:53.30 | markit | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/boot/grub |
| 14:53.30 | markit | ** ** /boot/grub ** |
| 14:53.30 | markit | No GRUB directory found under / |
| 14:53.53 | Toast | oops... |
| 14:54.05 | liable | Toast: did you purge or just remove it? |
| 14:54.07 | abrotman | markit: is there a /boot/grub/ on that box ? |
| 14:54.26 | markit | no |
| 14:54.32 | Toast | thought I would try to delete the apt directory beween remove and install... forgot that apt uses the same directory... |
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| 14:54.39 | markit | is /boot/boot/grub |
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| 14:54.48 | Toast | liable: I didn't see a purge command, so I used remove / install |
| 14:54.58 | dvs | Toast: use the -P option with dpkg |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | markit: copy the line and paste it a few lines down .. under the grubdir=${rootdir}/grub" |
| 14:55.07 | Toast | ok... |
| 14:55.07 | liable | Toast: what are you using? synaptic? |
| 14:55.39 | yotux | Is debain a stable OS? |
| 14:55.43 | Toast | liable, I was using apt-get |
| 14:55.51 | markit | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/boot/grub |
| 14:55.52 | markit | ** ** /boot/grub ** |
| 14:55.52 | markit | ** ** /grub ** |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | markit: what's next .. /g/ ? |
| 14:56.09 | abrotman | yotux: yes |
| 14:56.15 | Toast | liable: hence the oops moment |
| 14:56.16 | markit | ? |
| 14:56.24 | abrotman | markit: it was a joke ;) |
| 14:56.31 | markit | ok :) |
| 14:56.38 | markit | I got it now ;) |
| 14:56.47 | abrotman | markit: okay .. i think that's where your problem lies |
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| 14:57.04 | abrotman | markit: it's searching /boot/grub/ and then /grub/ .. but you've got nothing there |
| 14:57.15 | yotux | abrotman -> The reason that i ask is because i use ubuntu and have fallen in love with apt-get but need something better than ubuntu |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | yotux: so try debian :) |
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| 14:57.52 | abrotman | markit: you could ask #grub again .. but it migth be a debian-specific error |
| 14:58.10 | markit | no more people alive there, sigh |
| 14:58.18 | abrotman | markit: file a bug on grub! |
| 14:58.27 | markit | btw, it happens also where I have /boot/grub, in PC2 I mean |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | markit: with that kernel ? |
| 14:58.42 | bbelt16ag | well libvisual is dead in the water again grrrrrrrrrr |
| 14:58.49 | yotux | abrotman -> I was told that debain packages are old. Is this true? my i use the term old I mean 12 months or more. Is this false? |
| 14:59.05 | liable | yotux: for stable, yes |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | yotux: in Debian/stable .. yes |
| 14:59.22 | liable | yotux: depending on where in the cycle stable is.. |
| 14:59.32 | markit | abrotman: mm running the command the second time, worked |
| 15:00.01 | liable | yotux: define better than ubuntu |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | markit: weird .. |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | markit: you're scaring me now |
| 15:00.34 | yotux | ubuntu: doesn't like anything that is not free. |
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| 15:00.49 | markit | abrotman: well, more or less, is starting to work, at least in PC2... |
| 15:00.59 | markit | abrotman: thanks a lot for your time and efforts |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | markit: but PC1 is still knackered ? |
| 15:01.12 | markit | yes |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | markit: just seems that script is looking in the wrong place for your grub files |
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| 15:02.48 | markit | abrotman: wait for a pastebin, funny |
| 15:03.11 | abrotman | markit: okay ... |
| 15:04.15 | markit | abrotman: is in italian, but you can see the erorr messages: http://www.pastebin.ca/322598 |
| 15:04.32 | markit | first dpkg --purge produces an error, while second attempt no |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | on PC1 or 2 ? |
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| 15:05.00 | markit | PC2, the one with /boot/grub |
| 15:05.16 | mcgreg | hi, I am installing openarena from debian tree... is this game good? |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | markit: i say .. put exit 0; at the top of both .. and be done with it :) |
| 15:05.47 | solemnwarning | Would debian with init-ng probably boot faster then kubuntu resuming from hibernate? |
| 15:05.48 | abrotman | mcgreg: play it and tell us |
| 15:05.51 | yotux | is it a bad idea to install debian testing? |
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| 15:06.06 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i tried init-ng in a vm .. couldn't get it to work quite right |
| 15:06.15 | solemnwarning | I've got it working |
| 15:06.16 | abrotman | yotux: not really |
| 15:06.22 | solemnwarning | My PVR box running Debian has it |
| 15:06.25 | markit | abrotman: Iì've not exit 0 on that pc! |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | markit: ? |
| 15:06.38 | markit | maybe removing 2.6.14 somewhat did some trick |
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| 15:06.42 | solemnwarning | It boots a lot faster then init-ng, depending on what you enable |
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| 15:06.52 | solemnwarning | *then sysvinit |
| 15:07.05 | enouf | abrotman: what's the way to have the output display English? LC=en_US ? or something similar |
| 15:07.19 | tralala | LANG=C |
| 15:07.21 | enouf | abrotman: via prefixing any command being run |
| 15:07.23 | abrotman | LANG=C <blah> |
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| 15:07.34 | enouf | abrotman: ahh .. ok |
| 15:07.40 | enouf | tralala: thanks |
| 15:07.43 | tralala | sure |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | markit: trying the same trick on PC1 ? |
| 15:08.15 | perlmonkey | does anyone know if there is an issue with Apache2 + Mod_perl concerning language accents? Since I installed mod_perl, accents are no longer displaying in page |
| 15:08.28 | markit | abrotman: I'm still cleaning up the long long list of old kernels on PC2 |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 15:08.36 | blondie | who needs accents? |
| 15:08.49 | enouf | damned foreigners |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | oh .. we should tell bush that they're using accents .. evil bad people .. |
| 15:09.37 | enouf | remember .. they all rotate on an "Axis" |
| 15:09.56 | markit | ok, PC2 is clean now, so good |
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| 15:13.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:13.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:15.53 | multi_io | !meow |
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| 15:20.46 | Toast | the purge worked, thanks |
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| 15:21.26 | abrotman | markit: any luck? |
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| 15:23.05 | dvs | Toast: you're welcome? |
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| 15:23.47 | hark | !blame dvs |
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| 15:23.54 | dvs | yeah! |
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| 15:24.01 | rafiks | hello! |
| 15:24.10 | dvs | c'mon winter! Blow! |
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| 15:24.54 | rafiks | does anybody know if the azureus in debian has the auto update feature working ,,coz i am having problems with this feature,,wont restart |
| 15:25.03 | liable | ssshhhwwooossshhhh |
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| 15:25.24 | rafiks | i have unstable btw |
| 15:26.11 | liable | yes |
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| 15:27.51 | Trewas | rafiks: I haven't used the debian version of azureus but it should be disabled / not working, it is intended to be run as a normal user so the user can't replace (the root owned) Azureus2.jar which is what the update actually does |
| 15:28.15 | markit | abrotman: no luck with PC1, still subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 15:28.26 | markit | I try with exit 0 |
| 15:28.29 | abrotman | exit 0! |
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| 15:32.39 | ubra | hi, i got a problem with evolution filtering incoming email, i got this setup in thunderbird and sylpheed but in evolution i have to select the messages and then click on "filter this" to have them moved based on subject or whatever |
| 15:32.57 | ubra | i have clicked on filter inbox for incoming email in the account |
| 15:33.01 | ubra | anything else i have missed? |
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| 15:33.39 | snowbird | i want to set up my wifi card |
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| 15:34.21 | markit | abrotman: exit 0 in /usr/sbin/grub-reboot makes no difference, sigh |
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| 15:34.47 | abrotman | markit: i meant in the post and pre rm scripts .. not that one |
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| 15:35.32 | markit | abrotman: oh, yes, sorry, I'm tired and confused,sigh |
| 15:35.44 | abrotman | it's okay :) |
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| 15:36.56 | markit | perfect :))) |
| 15:37.08 | markit | thank you very very much |
| 15:37.31 | markit | I'm sure PC2 is ok forever, while PC1 will need exit 0 next time I've to purge a kernel |
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| 15:38.29 | cappiz | someone here ever tried luksOpen with a UUID instaed of /dev/device ? |
| 15:38.38 | cappiz | instead* |
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| 15:40.22 | abrotman | markit: hopefully not .. if you do .. i'd file a bug |
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| 15:40.55 | quitte | hi. i can't get tap networking to work with debian etch. the /etc/qemu-ifup script is never run. neithr with -net nic -net tap nor with -net nic -net tap,script=/etc/qemu-ifup. am i doing something wrong or is this a bug? |
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| 15:46.32 | elfboi | allo allo |
| 15:46.55 | blondie | WHY HELLO |
| 15:47.15 | elfboi | er, why not? why the caps? |
| 15:47.22 | abrotman | english |
| 15:47.45 | blondie | that wasn't a question |
| 15:48.05 | elfboi | er, sorry, blondie, i'm a little overworked |
| 15:48.28 | elfboi | does anyone know how to remove a broken package? i haven't met one of those yet... |
| 15:48.29 | abrotman | is that because you're an elf? |
| 15:48.35 | elfboi | lol, maybe |
| 15:48.35 | snowbird | abrotman can u help me set up my wifi |
| 15:48.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:48.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:48.44 | abrotman | snowbird: need more info |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | elfboi: pasting errors are helpful |
| 15:48.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:48.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:49.07 | elfboi | ok, well, the errors are in german, since i use a german locale |
| 15:49.15 | abrotman | LANG=C <command> |
| 15:49.26 | snowbird | it ralink 2561/rt61 need drivers |
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| 15:49.36 | abrotman | i don't know anything about ralink cards |
| 15:49.52 | abrotman | !find ralink etch |
| 15:50.08 | snowbird | did that in symantic |
| 15:50.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ralink' returned no results. |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | so use m-a to install it |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 15:50.17 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 15:51.06 | snowbird | dpkg under wifi there are packages |
| 15:51.06 | dpkg | okay, snowbird |
| 15:51.28 | elfboi | when i try to remove gforce-db-postgresql (dpkg -r --force-all gforce-db-postgresql), i get the following error |
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| 15:52.29 | elfboi | bla bla bla... cp: cannot stat `/etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf': No such file or directory |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | touch /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf |
| 15:52.50 | abrotman | try again |
| 15:52.54 | elfboi | ok |
| 15:52.59 | abrotman | but that file should be there |
| 15:53.09 | r3c4ll | alguien me puede ayudar a configurar mi wireless en ubuntu? |
| 15:53.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:53.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | r3c4ll: try #ubuntu-es |
| 15:53.32 | r3c4ll | thnxs |
| 15:53.35 | yassine | how can i search in which package i could find format_mp3.so ? |
| 15:53.38 | blondie | double wrong channel |
| 15:53.41 | elfboi | then it complains about another file being missing. |
| 15:53.42 | abrotman | !tell yassine about search |
| 15:53.42 | asg | yassine: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:53.48 | abrotman | elfboi: touch them all! |
| 15:53.56 | abrotman | sounds dirty |
| 15:54.05 | asg | !finger abrotman |
| 15:54.06 | elfboi | shit. it will be hours if i have to do it that way. |
| 15:54.20 | asg | elfboi: then edit the post/pre rm scripts |
| 15:54.24 | abrotman | elfboi: then reinstall the package .. |
| 15:54.33 | elfboi | i think it will be easier to reinstall the entire system, which is a rather fresh one |
| 15:54.41 | abrotman | erm .. okay |
| 15:54.46 | elfboi | the installation is less than three hours old |
| 15:54.57 | elfboi | but i was searching for an easier solution |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | why is gforge trying to remove the pg_hba ? |
| 15:55.14 | elfboi | i don't bloody know |
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| 15:55.39 | snowbird | dpkg should i find tar ball or another card? |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | snowbird: i told you |
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| 15:56.00 | elfboi | well, thanks anyway |
| 15:56.04 | yassine | abrotman, thanks the .so im looking for is no where :s |
| 15:56.06 | hark | !confuse snowbird |
| 15:56.06 | dpkg | No, how are your pants today, snowbird? shirts of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 15:56.22 | snowbird | what info abortman |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | apt-cache search ralink |
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| 15:56.56 | abrotman | !find format_mp3 etch |
| 15:57.02 | elfboi | i haven't even configured ssh on that new machine, so i have to switch consoles all the time... if i can't get rid of that bugger easily, i will just reinstall the entire system |
| 15:57.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'format_mp3' returned no results. |
| 15:57.35 | snowbird | ok abortman want me to paste that? |
| 15:57.39 | abrotman | no .. |
| 15:57.44 | elfboi | and this time, i'll try not to install gforce. i did it by mistake, anyway. |
| 15:57.46 | abrotman | i know what it says .. use m-a to install those |
| 15:57.56 | snowbird | how |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | elfboi: that's a heck of a mistake |
| 15:58.00 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 15:58.00 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:58.32 | elfboi | i haven't encountered any errors like that in several years, and then only once while using sid |
| 15:58.35 | abrotman | snowbird: there's plenty of docs on this |
| 15:58.50 | snowbird | i am looking at docs |
| 15:59.19 | elfboi | well, i think i'll leave you guys alone now... since i can't ssh into that other machine, i need to go to the other desk again |
| 15:59.21 | elfboi | bye |
| 15:59.25 | snowbird | i have ma installed now what? |
| 15:59.33 | elfboi | and thanks |
| 15:59.50 | valdyn | !force-all |
| 15:59.50 | dpkg | You should never, ever have to use --force-all. If you are using unstable, and there are bugs in packages, you may need to use a specific --force option (ask me about <force-overwrite> or <confmiss>), but then you should use the precise --force option required. Using --force-depends and/or --force-conflicts is *ALWAYS* broken. Fix the offending packages or use equivs instead. |
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| 16:02.09 | twobitsprite | gar... why is it I can never seem to get any useful information out of dpkg -L... |
| 16:02.17 | twobitsprite | it seems to only list the docs |
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| 16:02.18 | abrotman | you're using it wrong ? |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | what are you looking for ? |
| 16:02.47 | twobitsprite | well... I did a dpkg -l | grep kde... and I dpkg -L for most of the reasonably named packages... |
| 16:02.57 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to figure out where kde keeps it's data |
| 16:03.11 | abrotman | dude . there are a BAZILLION kde packages ... |
| 16:03.16 | abrotman | you might want to ask #debian-kde |
| 16:03.20 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 16:03.25 | snowbird | i ran ma auto install |
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| 16:04.19 | KpoH | am i understand clean, what there is no xorg 7.1 in debian? |
| 16:04.28 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 16:04.48 | KpoH | no version yet, only planing to install |
| 16:05.06 | abrotman | i have 7.1.1 on etch |
| 16:05.16 | KpoH | 3.1 r4 |
| 16:05.16 | KpoH | ? |
| 16:05.27 | abrotman | has XFree86 4.3++ |
| 16:05.28 | unlink | hmm, how do you get to channels >19 in one keystroke? |
| 16:05.34 | Equin | is it possible to run a console-based IRC client continuously on a server, that keeps running when I close my SSH connection and that I can log back into anytime? |
| 16:05.39 | unlink | s/channels/windows |
| 16:05.55 | abrotman | irc client channel ? |
| 16:05.55 | asg | unlink: /win 19 |
| 16:06.07 | dvs | irc client I guess |
| 16:06.10 | abrotman | Equin: screen |
| 16:06.13 | unlink | asg: >19, and one keystroke |
| 16:06.20 | jjazz | Equin: screen + irssi |
| 16:06.31 | mmlj4 | Equin: screen |
| 16:06.39 | KpoH | :) |
| 16:06.42 | snowbird | abrotman, ma done now what? |
| 16:06.44 | unlink | alt-o, ctrl-n k times is easiest |
| 16:06.48 | unlink | feels hackish |
| 16:06.48 | Equin | so what's screen |
| 16:06.50 | abrotman | snowbird: install those drivers |
| 16:06.54 | jjazz | Equin: man screen |
| 16:06.58 | abrotman | Equin: apt-get install screen .. man screen |
| 16:07.08 | Equin | okay |
| 16:07.19 | jjazz | abrotman: screen isn't a base package? |
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| 16:07.29 | abrotman | jjazz: i don't think so |
| 16:07.31 | jjazz | abrotman: Poor little screen. |
| 16:07.31 | asg | jjazz: no |
| 16:07.33 | Equin | it's not |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | jjazz: neither is emacs ..odd eh ? |
| 16:07.55 | snowbird | abrotman, what comand |
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| 16:08.04 | D0ug | How do I change the default in /etc/inittab to a command login |
| 16:08.26 | dvs | !nodm |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 16:08.44 | abrotman | snowbird: man m-a |
| 16:08.44 | jjazz | abrotman: Yeah, there's some seriously misguided thinking behind that one. |
| 16:08.55 | abrotman | jjazz: odd .. they left out KDE too ... |
| 16:09.11 | unlink | how do you get a display manager to source your ~/.bash_profile? |
| 16:09.18 | unlink | when you login |
| 16:09.32 | D0ug | I dont want to use the Xdisplay manager |
| 16:09.32 | D0ug | I just want t console login |
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| 16:10.05 | nvz | abrotman: your sarcasm just took a sharp turn from almost funny to sick and twisted |
| 16:10.07 | dvs | D0ug: read the second sentance |
| 16:10.13 | jjazz | abrotman: I wonder if there are more KDE users or emacs users. |
| 16:10.32 | abrotman | jjazz: ask the S&M club for enrollment numbers |
| 16:10.33 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 16:10.33 | dpkg | well, dotfiles is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 16:10.39 | valdyn | unlink: ^^^ |
| 16:10.42 | dvs | nvz: and this is different because.... |
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| 16:11.07 | nvz | dvs: ah, well for some peoples sense of humor I guess thats the same thing |
| 16:11.21 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm guessing emacs. I don't actually know anybody that uses KDE. |
| 16:11.29 | piper69 | my installetion will always get freezed at partition the disk, i tried sarge and etch , and i tried 2 diffrent hardisks! this is on "Dell dimention 8200" any suggestions please |
| 16:11.32 | abrotman | jjazz: Guerin does |
| 16:11.46 | abrotman | or last i checked did |
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| 16:12.04 | abrotman | jjazz: though .. he also uses emacs :) |
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| 16:12.15 | joeamined | hi |
| 16:12.16 | snowbird | abrotman, nothing is runing |
| 16:12.24 | abrotman | man m-a |
| 16:12.31 | jjazz | abrotman: Guerin doesn't count. As far as I'm concerned the people in this channel are all sims. (probably tarted up eliza routines... running on emacs) |
| 16:12.48 | abrotman | jjazz: but you didn't get me tickets! |
| 16:12.57 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm a bot! |
| 16:13.18 | joeamined | i'd like to setup a cvs server on my computer. for distant user to access it they need to know my ip adress. my question is : is my ip adress always the same or is it changing ? |
| 16:13.33 | jjazz | abrotman: They don't allow bots at YS. Besides, I think you're a sim of a bot. |
| 16:13.47 | unlink | valdyn: thanks [wow, that's ugly] |
| 16:13.54 | abrotman | jjazz: i don't really like the look of the new stadium |
| 16:13.56 | jjazz | joeamined: That's something you have to ask your network service provider. |
| 16:14.03 | abrotman | jjazz: but cisco field looks pretty damn cool |
| 16:14.16 | joeamined | jjaz : so it depends of my nsp ? |
| 16:14.17 | jjazz | abrotman: Neither do I, but it's true that the old one isn't designed very well. |
| 16:14.34 | jjazz | joeamined: yes |
| 16:14.48 | abrotman | jjazz: so they're just going from ugly to bigger ugly :) |
| 16:15.03 | jjazz | joeamined: If you're on dynamic ip, look into dynamic dns. |
| 16:15.29 | joeamined | jjaz : what is dynamic dns ? how can i use it ? |
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| 16:15.47 | jjazz | abrotman: Don't forget more luxury boxes and concession stands! I kind of like how YS is very no-frills. The new place is going to be a mall. Oh well. I just come to watch the games. |
| 16:15.59 | kisielk_jp | hm, I have a file on my system |
| 16:16.03 | joeamined | jjaz : i think it will be better to host on a cvs hoster like sourceforge because i'm not always connected |
| 16:16.04 | kisielk_jp | the permissions are as follows: |
| 16:16.07 | kisielk_jp | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? rc4.pod |
| 16:16.07 | abrotman | jjazz: have you seen cisco field ? |
| 16:16.13 | kisielk_jp | how can I remove it etc? |
| 16:16.15 | jjazz | abrotman: Nope. |
| 16:16.28 | abrotman | jjazz: FLASH WARNING http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/oak/photogallery/year_2006/month_11/day_10/cf1738943.html |
| 16:17.06 | joeamined | jjazz : is it a problem if it's a very small project to host it in sourceforge ? |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | kisielk_jp: repair your filesystem |
| 16:17.35 | joeamined | i mean it's a simple calculator written in j2ee just to learn how to use j2ee |
| 16:17.36 | jjazz | abrotman: wow, those buildings across the street are going to have great views. |
| 16:17.42 | jjazz | joeamined: Nope. |
| 16:17.46 | abrotman | jjazz: it's a nice idea .. hopefully it happens |
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| 16:17.58 | kisielk_jp | abrotman, an how do I go about doing that? |
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| 16:18.10 | abrotman | depends on the FS |
| 16:18.20 | jjazz | abrotman: People are going to enter at field level from center field? That's awesome. |
| 16:18.34 | abrotman | jjazz: probably one of many entrances |
| 16:19.02 | kisielk_jp | abrotman, it's reiserfs |
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| 16:19.27 | jjazz | abrotman: True. But that's classic. And the lawn leading up to it is cool. Where are the bullpens? |
| 16:19.29 | abrotman | does reiser have fsck ? |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | jjazz: dunno .. i didn't see them |
| 16:19.43 | kisielk_jp | not sure |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | jjazz: looks like under the jumbotron |
| 16:20.17 | kisielk_jp | seems to be |
| 16:20.20 | jjazz | abrotman: OMFG!! We forgot the bullpens! |
| 16:20.22 | kisielk_jp | I hope I can run it online without reboot |
| 16:20.36 | abrotman | jjazz: http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/ballpark/new/index.jsp |
| 16:20.53 | kisielk_jp | hm, apparently not |
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| 16:21.40 | jjazz | abrotman: I hope this gets done. |
| 16:21.46 | abrotman | jjazz: it'll be nice |
| 16:21.51 | abrotman | jjazz: almost as nice as fenway :) |
| 16:22.21 | jjazz | abrotman: The only thing wrong with Fenway is the fans. |
| 16:22.22 | snowbird | aborman error |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 16:22.51 | jjazz | abrotman: Your snowbird bot is crashing. |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | jjazz: he's not a bot .. he's canadian |
| 16:23.04 | dvs | eh? |
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| 16:23.13 | jjazz | abrotman: Your Canadian bot is hosed, then. |
| 16:23.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:23.31 | snowbird | yeah jjazz iam to stupid |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | jjazz: how was your dinner .. the menu looks good .. especially the salmon |
| 16:23.32 | dvs | jjazz: at least his arm works. |
| 16:23.47 | jjazz | abrotman: Which dinner? |
| 16:24.05 | abrotman | jjazz: and the uhm .. place with the red website :) |
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| 16:24.33 | jjazz | abrotman: I have no idea what you're referring to. Have you been google stalking me again?! |
| 16:24.48 | abrotman | jjazz: starts with a P? your favorite restaurant! |
| 16:25.16 | abrotman | you had a 10pm reservation last friday :) |
| 16:25.31 | factotum | ill take a wild guess at pizzahut |
| 16:25.48 | abrotman | factotum: jjazz is a snobby yankees fan .. he wouldnt' be caught dead in pizza hut |
| 16:25.56 | factotum | ha |
| 16:26.37 | kisielk_jp | damn, can't fsck without rebooting :( |
| 16:26.38 | jjazz | abrotman: Ah, yes, that was Candela. |
| 16:26.42 | factotum | im wondering if jjazz cam from a clash song |
| 16:26.48 | abrotman | jjazz: oh yeah .. that! .. the salmon looks good :) |
| 16:27.15 | jjazz | abrotman: The food was quite good, although neither of us had the salmon. |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | i would have! |
| 16:27.58 | factotum | never eat sushi in michigan, it tastes like an ice-packed delivery truck |
| 16:28.04 | dvs | ha! |
| 16:28.09 | abrotman | factotum: what if it's muskie ? |
| 16:28.14 | factotum | hehe |
| 16:28.26 | factotum | might as well have been walleye |
| 16:28.35 | jjazz | abrotman: We hadn't been in years. In 2002 or so, we had 11pm reservations on valentine's day. I cancelled on her late, so we didn't make it. |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | jjazz: you bastard! |
| 16:28.58 | factotum | just move from MN |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | factotum: do you like barren wastelands ? |
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| 16:30.12 | jjazz | abrotman: I was working! I made 11pm reservations because I figured I'd be off work by then. Turns out my boss's wife was away, so he kept me there until midnight and then left me another 12 hours of work to do. I didn't make it home until the next evening. |
| 16:30.14 | factotum | not really no, got a job at spectrum health. I was living in Duluth working p/tin a record store before that |
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| 16:30.42 | jjazz | abrotman: The real crime was that I was supposed to help her move on the 15th. I had to bail on that too. |
| 16:31.07 | xingu | 10G base-T? that's just sick. |
| 16:31.14 | factotum | next time im either moving south or east |
| 16:31.47 | factotum | people out west are too jaded for me |
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| 16:32.12 | jjazz | factotum: You think the jaded people are in the west? |
| 16:32.22 | factotum | just in my experiences |
| 16:32.31 | cornernote | if any brave soul wants to lend me a hand installing scalix onto debian etch please raise your hand (http://www.scalix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Installation_Debian_Etch) |
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| 16:33.02 | factotum | then again all musicians and whatnot are jaded teen personalities |
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| 16:33.30 | factotum | but i digress |
| 16:33.50 | Equin | with what command can i find text files? |
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| 16:33.51 | earthling | i thought etch was going to be released as 'stable' in 12/06 but as far as i can see it's still 'testing' or am i missing something? |
| 16:34.11 | jjazz | earthling: Etch is testing. |
| 16:34.18 | factotum | earthling: nope, its jut not ready yet |
| 16:34.27 | earthling | damn! |
| 16:34.43 | factotum | it might as well be stable, works amazingly well |
| 16:34.54 | factotum | give it a go! |
| 16:35.40 | earthling | i know i did sarge about 3 months before it was released as stable and didn't have a lot of problems... so maybe i can expect the same from etch?? |
| 16:35.53 | blondie | probably |
| 16:36.13 | earthling | 3 dvd's... do I need them all or just the first one? |
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| 16:36.23 | factotum | net install |
| 16:36.38 | earthling | i'd rather not net install even thou i have dsl.. |
| 16:36.50 | cornernote | earthling: if your network card supports it, use netinst.. otherwise, all you need id the first CD (not dvd) |
| 16:37.00 | factotum | the dvd is overkill |
| 16:37.04 | factotum | just get the cd |
| 16:37.09 | snowbird | has any one got wire running in etch? |
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| 16:38.33 | jjazz | earthling: If you have dsl, why not netinst? |
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| 16:39.24 | earthling | jjazz: because i get some problems with a hard drive that might cause problems during the install.. |
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| 16:39.49 | earthling | jjazz: i suppose i could unplug them during the install.. |
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| 16:40.00 | jjazz | earthling: There's a good idea. |
| 16:41.07 | cornernote | be sweet if netinst supported wireless cards |
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| 16:41.40 | earthling | also... while i'm at it (ungrading) is there a safe way to clean up my apt sources? I'd like to get rid of some and only have the ones for updates and all the multimedia stuff like mplayer/xine win32codecx etc.. |
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| 16:42.22 | earthling | i know removing repositories can cause problems.. |
| 16:42.26 | Wyzard | snowbird: "got wire running" ? |
| 16:42.32 | Wyzard | snowbird: Do you mean wine? |
| 16:42.41 | snowbird | wifi |
| 16:42.59 | Wyzard | wireless, then |
| 16:43.13 | Wyzard | Yes, plenty of people use it |
| 16:43.29 | christopherl | hello all, I have a repository that I want to add: ftp.se.debian.org, in the sources.list is it enough to add the URI? |
| 16:43.36 | Wyzard | I run unstable on my laptop, not testing, but wireless has been working fine since I bought it over a year ago |
| 16:44.39 | snowbird | i get error dmesg no router |
| 16:44.45 | hark | christopherl: well, no |
| 16:44.47 | snowbird | any ideas |
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| 16:45.25 | Wyzard | snowbird: Do you mean "no IPv6 routers present" ? |
| 16:45.38 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 16:45.59 | Wyzard | snowbird: That's harmless and irrelevant... you're almost certainly not using IPv6 |
| 16:46.19 | christopherl | hark: I went to: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list and I only got the URI, how can I find out what more I must add? |
| 16:46.22 | abrotman | jjazz: and she's still with you ? |
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| 16:46.38 | snowbird | ok |
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| 16:47.24 | hark | christopherl: moment. |
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| 16:48.21 | Wyzard | snowbird: As for getting your wireless working, what type of card is it? |
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| 16:49.33 | shafire | how can i find all unused python packages?! |
| 16:49.37 | snowbird | 8digitrus rt2561 |
| 16:49.39 | shafire | i have installed over 100 packages |
| 16:49.45 | shafire | that i needed because it doesn't work |
| 16:49.52 | shafire | how can i uninstall this all packages |
| 16:49.56 | shafire | i lost their names |
| 16:49.57 | shafire | :( |
| 16:49.58 | hark | christopherl: what do you have presently in your sources.list? |
| 16:50.07 | snowbird | Wyzard, it would have t be 2561 not 2500 drivers? |
| 16:50.25 | hark | !sources.list |
| 16:50.25 | dpkg | it has been said that sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 16:51.07 | hark | christopherl: ^^ replace with the url and etch in place of sarge |
| 16:51.52 | snowbird | wyz |
| 16:52.07 | snowbird | Wyzard, its rt61 driver i need |
| 16:52.20 | christopherl | ok I got it |
| 16:52.32 | christopherl | fixed thanks |
| 16:53.03 | shafire | mhm? |
| 16:53.09 | shafire | how can i remove over 100 packages? |
| 16:53.44 | Wyzard | snowbird: If you're using testing or unstable, it looks like the preferred Ralink driver is "rt2x00" |
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| 16:54.02 | Wyzard | snowbird: but I don't have any experience with Ralink cards, so I don't know whether rt61 is part of that |
| 16:54.04 | snowbird | right ok thats what i got from here |
| 16:54.13 | snowbird | il throw link in paste |
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| 16:55.08 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: rt2x00 works better than the other drivers (unless you are using usb in which case you are stuffed whichever free drivers you use) |
| 16:55.21 | snowbird | i didnt use usb its pc |
| 16:55.39 | h3sp4wn | pci ? |
| 16:55.41 | mirak | what can I use to write a VIDEO_TS folder on a DVD and make it playable in a DVD player ? |
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| 16:55.58 | abrotman | maybe kino or cinerela ? |
| 16:56.08 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: rt2x00 says it replaces rt2400/rt2500/rt2570, but he's using rt61... is that part of the rt2x00 umbrella? |
| 16:56.37 | markit | abrotman: kdenlive also is good, at least on paper :) |
| 16:56.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:56.45 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: it supports all of them (but just the usb ones not well) |
| 16:56.54 | abrotman | maybe he should ask #wireless which driver supports it ? |
| 16:57.01 | snowbird | rt61 is rt2500 |
| 16:57.09 | h3sp4wn | use rt2x00 |
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| 16:57.29 | snowbird | i did |
| 16:58.07 | h3sp4wn | so what is the problem them ? |
| 16:58.36 | snowbird | i did abortman |
| 16:58.50 | hark | !nicktab snowbird |
| 16:58.54 | Wyzard | snowbird: When you load the driver, does it find your card? |
| 16:58.56 | snowbird | they say Rt2x00 supports it |
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| 16:59.31 | snowbird | no Wyzard |
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| 17:00.03 | Wyzard | Does it print any informative messages to dmesg? |
| 17:00.08 | abrotman | hark: not a command ... |
| 17:00.10 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 17:00.10 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 17:00.20 | abrotman | hark: and it's common .. i highlight on it :) |
| 17:00.41 | hark | :) |
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| 17:00.58 | snowbird | Wyzard, it says not routers |
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| 17:01.50 | hark | snowbird: any messages if you try a modprobe -r <driver> and then modprobe the driver? |
| 17:02.03 | Wyzard | snowbird: Those messages are prefixed with an interface name, like "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
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| 17:02.12 | Wyzard | snowbird: What interface(s) do you get that message for? |
| 17:02.28 | snowbird | eth 0 Wyzard |
| 17:02.33 | Toast | is there any way to repopulate a broken /etc/apt directory? I deleted everything except the packages list |
| 17:02.37 | snowbird | hark nothing |
| 17:02.46 | abrotman | Toast: you mean the sources.list ? |
| 17:03.23 | hark | snowbird: and i guess iwconfig showed no devices with wireless extensions? |
| 17:03.28 | blondie | restore it from backup ;p |
| 17:03.29 | Wyzard | snowbird: eth0 is presumably your wired connection which was already detected, so that message has nothing to do with what's printed when you load the rt2x00 driver |
| 17:03.38 | snowbird | kk |
| 17:03.43 | Wyzard | snowbird: Load the module and then check whether any *new* messages have been printed to dmesg |
| 17:03.47 | snowbird | how i get info for wireless? |
| 17:03.57 | Toast | abrot: the sources list is the only thing left. |
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| 17:04.18 | snowbird | would ifconfig help? |
| 17:04.25 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: rt2x00 will create wifi0 and wlan0 |
| 17:04.37 | snowbird | kk ty |
| 17:04.51 | Wyzard | snowbird: Only for checking whether wifi0 and wlan0 exist... but iwconfig will tell you that too, and it's more informative in this case |
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| 17:05.06 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: Two interfaces for one device? |
| 17:05.17 | Jaus | Hi, what does mean this log on auth.log? |
| 17:05.18 | Jaus | Jan 20 06:25:08 ireth su[15456]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 17:05.18 | Jaus | Jan 20 06:25:09 ireth su[15456]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 17:05.22 | Jaus | any idea? |
| 17:05.27 | snowbird | no wireless in iwconfig |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | Jaus: user nobody became root |
| 17:05.50 | snowbird | lo eth0 sit0 |
| 17:05.58 | abrotman | Jaus: wait .. no |
| 17:06.01 | Wyzard | snowbird: Then the driver is not detecting your card |
| 17:06.01 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: Madwifi does the same |
| 17:06.03 | Jaus | abrotman: and, it is possible? hacked? :( |
| 17:06.18 | snowbird | how i get driver to find card |
| 17:06.19 | donfede | why would my oppenoffice spell checker not be working? (debian sid openoffice 2.0.4.dfsg.2-3, english spell checker) |
| 17:06.35 | Wyzard | snowbird: Check dmesg after loading the driver to see whether it's printed any messages |
| 17:06.37 | abrotman | Jaus: nobody logged in .. maybe ? |
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| 17:06.55 | noshadow | Jaus: most likely that is a crontab entry that became nobody to update locate database or something like that |
| 17:06.56 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: did you build it with module-assistant ? |
| 17:07.09 | snowbird | yes |
| 17:07.23 | piper69 | i am fedup with this computer |
| 17:07.31 | Jaus | abrotman: It is normal for you? |
| 17:07.32 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: and you didn't have more than one driver installed ? |
| 17:07.42 | piper69 | anyone wants a dell 8200 p4 |
| 17:07.51 | snowbird | don't think so how would i tell if more thatn one driver |
| 17:08.14 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: you wouldn't have unless you tried to install more than one driver (only you would know this) |
| 17:08.15 | abrotman | piper69: offer it to DDs |
| 17:08.25 | snowbird | kk |
| 17:08.28 | noshadow | Jaus: taking a look at the time, it is most likely /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 17:08.29 | abrotman | unless it's broken :) |
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| 17:08.32 | snowbird | i only tried once |
| 17:08.35 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: modprobe rt61pci |
| 17:08.38 | hark | no, i think it's harmless |
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| 17:08.55 | anirban | /etc/init.d/networks |
| 17:09.02 | Jaus | noshadow: buff, thanks, I am thinkid that I have a rooted machined :D |
| 17:09.06 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.06 | Jaus | thanks abrotman too |
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| 17:09.13 | anirban | /etc/init.d/networks start is not bringin up my network |
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| 17:09.34 | anirban | but when I give dhclient |
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| 17:09.39 | anirban | my network get up |
| 17:09.49 | hark | !nobody |
| 17:09.49 | dpkg | somebody said nobody was a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
| 17:09.53 | snowbird | Wyzard, module not found means what? |
| 17:09.56 | Wyzard | anirban: The file is called "networking", not "networks", and it's started automatically when the system boots |
| 17:09.57 | anirban | why it is not calling the dhcp client |
| 17:10.10 | shafire | HELP |
| 17:10.11 | Wyzard | snowbird: no driver available with that name |
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| 17:10.22 | snowbird | right |
| 17:10.24 | shafire | how can i remove over 100 packages, that i don't need more |
| 17:10.28 | Wyzard | anirban: Look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:10.34 | anirban | /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 17:10.36 | anirban | yeah sorry |
| 17:10.42 | anirban | okay |
| 17:10.51 | cornernote | i changed the 127.0.1.1 in my /etc/hosts to 127.0.0.1 .. now apache tells me "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name" |
| 17:10.52 | Wyzard | anirban: Check that there's an "auto" declaration for the interface in question, like "auto eth0" |
| 17:11.01 | noshadow | shafire: dpkg -P <list of packages> ? |
| 17:11.04 | snowbird | Wyzard, waht can we doo |
| 17:11.11 | Wyzard | cornernote: Change it back |
| 17:11.12 | shafire | noshadow, i don't know their names |
| 17:11.23 | hark | Jaus: section 11.2.3 of the securing Debian manual should help :) |
| 17:11.23 | cornernote | if i put it back then it works again... but i need that host name to point to 127.0.0.1 for the mail thingy i am installing |
| 17:11.26 | anirban | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 17:11.26 | anirban | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:11.31 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: means you haven't compiled rt2x00 |
| 17:11.39 | shafire | i want to remove one file and its dependences should removed too!! |
| 17:11.40 | anirban | no only allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 17:11.53 | anirban | I have auto for my loop back |
| 17:12.10 | Wyzard | anirban: The allow-hotplug is supposed to have the same effect, but I've found that it doesn't always work quite right... comment that out and put "auto eth0" instead |
| 17:12.23 | anirban | okay |
| 17:12.28 | Wyzard | shafire: Do you use aptitude? |
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| 17:12.32 | shafire | Wyzard, no :( |
| 17:12.36 | shafire | apt-get |
| 17:12.39 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, have to recompile? |
| 17:12.43 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: is the deb in /usr/src ? |
| 17:12.54 | snowbird | what? |
| 17:12.58 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: can't you come up with a better nick ? |
| 17:13.17 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman sup with this one ? |
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| 17:13.22 | Wyzard | shafire: When you install a package with aptitude and other things have to be installed as dependencies, aptitude marks them as having been installed "automatically" for dependency reasons |
| 17:13.23 | Jaus | another question, what is the way to diable OpenSSH sftp subsystem? |
| 17:13.25 | blondie | abrotman: can't you? |
| 17:13.26 | abrotman | it's bad? :) |
| 17:13.31 | abrotman | blondie: it's my damn name! |
| 17:13.36 | shafire | Wyzard, okay |
| 17:13.41 | blondie | abrotman: exactly, not very original is it? |
| 17:13.44 | shafire | but i can't remove now the packages? |
| 17:13.45 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: if you use module-assistant there should be a .deb file in /usr/src/ |
| 17:13.47 | shafire | with apt-get? |
| 17:13.48 | Wyzard | shafire: And when you mark a package for removal with aptitude, any "automatically"-installed dependencies that are no longer needed are marked for removal too |
| 17:13.54 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman> its a question ? if its bad or not , or you really mean that my nick its bad ? |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | blondie: i'm lazy .. he went out of his way to make a nick ..and got a bad one ;) |
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| 17:14.01 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman i aint gonna hurt you ;) |
| 17:14.03 | Wyzard | shafire: so if you use aptitude consistently, you'll get the behavior you want in this situation |
| 17:14.05 | snowbird | i look |
| 17:14.10 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: i know you're not |
| 17:14.14 | anirban | Thanks a lot Wyzard |
| 17:14.19 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman aight then ;) |
| 17:14.19 | anirban | it is working now |
| 17:14.22 | anirban | dhcp get called |
| 17:14.29 | shafire | Wyzard, mhm okay |
| 17:14.30 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman so i`ll keep then |
| 17:14.36 | shafire | Wyzard, now it is too late?! :( |
| 17:14.38 | Wyzard | shafire: but if you've been using apt-get, none of your packages have that "auto" flag on them, so even aptitude won't mark those 100 packages for removal at this point |
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| 17:15.33 | shafire | Wyzard, :( |
| 17:15.33 | snowbird | i see linux rt2500 module no .deb |
| 17:15.33 | xingu | so now that vista is finally ~out, when will commodity dsl isp's start providing native ipv6 |
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| 17:15.46 | Wyzard | shafire: What I'd recommend doing is: run aptitude, and with the cursor on the "installed packages" heading, type 'M' to mark *everything* as automatically-installed... that'll mark everything for removal |
| 17:15.52 | GeorgeS069 | xingu: never |
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| 17:16.13 | abrotman | xingu: and not debian related |
| 17:16.15 | Wyzard | shafire: Then go through the list of installed packages and mark individual things that you need (like grub, aptitude, the kernel, etc) for installation (type '+') |
| 17:16.20 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: aptitude search rt2500~i |
| 17:16.26 | shafire | Wyzard, mhm ok |
| 17:16.48 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, |
| 17:16.51 | snowbird | i found it |
| 17:16.55 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: aptitude install rt2x00-source; modules-assistant autoinstall rt2x00 |
| 17:16.55 | shafire | i will reinstall my system completely Wyzard |
| 17:16.59 | shafire | next weekend |
| 17:17.02 | Wyzard | shafire: The result will be that you'll have auto flags on everything that ought to have them, and anything that's not needed anymore will be marked for removal |
| 17:17.14 | snowbird | config network drivers driver sorce |
| 17:17.28 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: module-assistant sorry - if that rt2500 driver is running it will conflict |
| 17:17.29 | Wyzard | shafire: What I just described is what I do after installing a fresh copy of Debian, when there aren't many packages yet so it's easy |
| 17:17.52 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, how i remove it |
| 17:17.53 | Wyzard | shafire: but it's possible to do it on a system that has lots of packages, too... it just takes longer |
| 17:17.56 | shafire | Wyzard, when you installed a fresh copy from debian |
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| 17:18.01 | shafire | you can use only aptitude |
| 17:18.18 | Wyzard | shafire: If you want the auto-flagging stuff, yes, use only aptitude |
| 17:18.29 | shafire | yes |
| 17:18.41 | Wyzard | shafire: I wish they'd integrated it into the core apt architecture so all tools could use it, but right now it's an aptitude-specific extension |
| 17:18.44 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: lsmod | grep rt |
| 17:19.09 | snowbird | kk now what? |
| 17:19.37 | Wyzard | shafire: but the set of packages installed by Debian as part of a fresh installation doesn't have the auto flags, so you'll want to do what I described soon after your installation, to get the auto flags on that core set of packages |
| 17:20.14 | Wyzard | shafire: I do that together with other little things like removing dhcp-client and installing dhcp3-client instead... just the little tweaks that I consider to be the last step of a normal Debian install :-) |
| 17:20.29 | shafire | oki |
| 17:21.08 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, so now what? |
| 17:21.56 | andrew_p | how should i set dpi's in xorg? DisplaySize does not seem to do that. I've got a laptop with 1680x1050 display and fonts are way too small... |
| 17:21.59 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: Its getting too much effort as you are not providing the output for any of the commands |
| 17:22.07 | snowbird | i did |
| 17:22.20 | snowbird | were is paste il past more |
| 17:22.22 | Wyzard | andrew_p: On an LCD panel you don't need to set DisplaySize at all... X can query that info from the panel directly |
| 17:22.41 | blondie | snowbird: are you a native english speaker? |
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| 17:22.46 | andrew_p | Wyzard: hm, okay, but fonts are still too small |
| 17:22.46 | Wyzard | andrew_p: but X is probably configured to hard-code the DPI at 96 rather than calculate it from the display size |
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| 17:22.50 | snowbird | yes |
| 17:22.59 | blondie | O.o |
| 17:23.00 | andrew_p | Wyzard: looks like that |
| 17:23.00 | Wyzard | andrew_p: Do you use GDM for your login screen? |
| 17:23.05 | andrew_p | Wyzard: yes |
| 17:23.13 | Wyzard | andrew_p: Run gdmsetup as root |
| 17:23.14 | Nesquick | hi there all |
| 17:23.23 | andrew_p | Wyzard: thx, will see |
| 17:23.36 | Wyzard | andrew_p: On the "Security" tab, click the "Configure X Server" button |
| 17:23.39 | hark | andrew_p: xdpyinfo |grep dots ? |
| 17:23.39 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, rtc 12788 0 |
| 17:24.01 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: aptitude install rt2x00-source; modules-assistant autoinstall rt2x00; modprobe rt61pci |
| 17:24.06 | Wyzard | andrew_p: You'll get a new window... find the text box labeled "Command" and remove the "-dpi 96" option from it |
| 17:24.07 | andrew_p | hackeron: 96x96 |
| 17:24.07 | Nesquick | i want to install the imq patch...but...i really dont know from where to start, can anyone help me? |
| 17:24.17 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: aptitude install rt2x00-source; module-assistant autoinstall rt2x00; modprobe rt61pci (typo) |
| 17:24.32 | glut | Nesquick: www.linuximq.net |
| 17:24.38 | Wyzard | andrew_p: Close gdmsetup, tell GDM to restart itself at next logout ("/etc/init.d/gdm reload"), and log out and back in |
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| 17:24.40 | Nesquick | glut, |
| 17:24.54 | Nesquick | i'm a litle bit afraid to recomp the kernel |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | then don't use the patch |
| 17:25.12 | Nesquick | i use it on gentoo |
| 17:25.21 | Nesquick | but... |
| 17:25.23 | blondie | the file manager? |
| 17:25.27 | andrew_p | Wyzard: thank you, this should help |
| 17:25.30 | Nesquick | the debian kernel source.... |
| 17:25.51 | Wyzard | andrew_p: That'll solve the problem halfway... GTK has its own DPI setting that seems to ignore the X server's DPI for some reason |
| 17:25.54 | Nesquick | is not vanilla... |
| 17:26.03 | andrew_p | Wyzard: %) |
| 17:26.09 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, |
| 17:26.18 | Wyzard | andrew_p: If you're using GNOME, open the Font Preferences window, click the "Details" button, and see the "resolution" box near the top of the details window |
| 17:26.22 | abrotman | !kp |
| 17:26.22 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 17:26.26 | snowbird | FATAL: Module rt61pci not found |
| 17:26.43 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.49 | andrew_p | Wyzard: great! i didn't notice that |
| 17:26.52 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, |
| 17:27.10 | hark | snowbird: use m-a a-i, easier |
| 17:27.21 | snowbird | how hark |
| 17:27.58 | snowbird | sorry hark found it |
| 17:28.04 | Wyzard | andrew_p: btw, while you're removing the DisplaySize from your xorg.conf, you can probably also remove all the "Display" SubSections in your "Screen" section which list the video modes to use |
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| 17:28.44 | Wyzard | andrew_p: xorg will ask the panel for its preferred video mode and just use that |
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| 17:29.22 | andrew_p | Wyzard: i see.. thanks again, gtk apps look much better in 100dpi for me |
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| 17:29.24 | polishkoop | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:29.24 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 17:29.46 | snowbird | ark its running |
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| 17:30.11 | hark | er.., good |
| 17:30.38 | snowbird | what is that comand do? |
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| 17:32.11 | hark | m-a ? |
| 17:32.17 | donfede | I got the solution to my openoffice dictionary problem, I had to install myspell-en-us |
| 17:32.30 | Wyzard | hark: abbreviation for module-assistant |
| 17:32.32 | snowbird | right hark |
| 17:32.48 | andrew_p | i am trying to get wlan working too. i have loaded necessary driver into ndiswrapper: |
| 17:32.48 | andrew_p | bcmwl5 driver installed, hardware (14E4:4324) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) |
| 17:32.48 | andrew_p | but iwconfig does not show any interfaces with wireless enables; the same thing was with native bcm43xx drivers |
| 17:32.53 | snowbird | right ma |
| 17:32.55 | hark | well, it helps build kernel modules for you |
| 17:32.58 | Wyzard | oh, sorry, I misinterpreted your question |
| 17:33.13 | hark | Wyzard: heh, np |
| 17:33.34 | hark | !m-a |
| 17:33.34 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:34.12 | Wyzard | andrew_p: Not much experience with Broadcom here, sorry... I've gotten it working with ndiswrapper once but if it doesn't work for you I don't know why |
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| 17:34.39 | andrew_p | Wyzard: okay |
| 17:35.08 | abrotman | fix that router yet? |
| 17:35.18 | Wyzard | andrew_p: General suggestion: check dmesg for messages printed when you load the kernel module |
| 17:35.21 | h3sp4wn | smimp: or openbsd (they have an atheros usb driver) |
| 17:35.44 | smimp | i'm on 8001 for now, but i sent the roommate a link with the fix/vulnerability |
| 17:35.57 | andrew_p | Wyzard: ok... |
| 17:36.07 | andrew_p | btw, kde control center lets choose resolution between 96 and 120 dpi only; and while 96 is too small, 120 looks even more ugly :) |
| 17:36.33 | smimp | thanks for the help with that yesterday |
| 17:37.30 | andrew_p | when i load the native driver, the only line that appears is kernel: bcm43xx driver |
| 17:37.30 | Wyzard | andrew_p: I don't see why it doesn't just use the X server's DPI... :-/ |
| 17:38.17 | andrew_p | Wyzard: i have not played with -dpi option in GDM yet |
| 17:38.43 | abrotman | smimp: ok |
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| 17:39.55 | dellthinker | can anyone tell me where i can find some info on the debian distro? |
| 17:40.05 | dellthinker | A complete online book maybe |
| 17:40.08 | andrew_p | i had some problems with ACPI on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 6400) when closing the lid, but that seems to be gone.. still need to check suspend-to-ram and hibernate, though |
| 17:40.14 | andrew_p | and get wi-fi working :) |
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| 17:41.05 | polishkoop | can anyone help me get my bcm4306 wireless card to work with ndiswrapper. im using debian etch, i loaded the driver into ndiswrapper and configured it.. but it wont connect. |
| 17:41.10 | smimp | andrew_p: would you lose the display after closing it? i had that happen on one box and never found a successful fix |
| 17:42.19 | capiira | hmm sometimes iceweasel close when mplayer plug starts :) |
| 17:42.23 | polishkoop | i guess ill never get this system running with wireless :-P |
| 17:42.35 | humboldt | how stable is evms in etch? |
| 17:42.40 | karmatronic | polishkoop, what s your model card ? |
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| 17:42.45 | humboldt | is this ready for production systems? |
| 17:43.05 | karmatronic | polishkoop, pci,usb,pcmcia? |
| 17:43.10 | polishkoop | karamatronic: bcm4306 chipset. model is linksys wmp54gs |
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| 17:43.19 | polishkoop | karmatronic: pci |
| 17:43.22 | andrew_p | smimp: the picture was gotting broken after opening the lid back.. it looks like adding "vbetool vgastate on" command to /etc/acpi/lidswitch.sh helped |
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| 17:44.02 | karmatronic | polishkoop, do you wanna try from the beginning? |
| 17:44.08 | snowbird | hark few things failed |
| 17:44.15 | polishkoop | karmatronic: ive been doing it for weeks. doing it again is no problem |
| 17:44.21 | andrew_p | though, if i switch to one of the text consoled with X running and then return back - picture is still broken :/ i have to do Ctrl + Alt + Backspace each time |
| 17:44.25 | karmatronic | polishkoop, let s go |
| 17:44.35 | andrew_p | i wonder if there are xorg.conf options that might help |
| 17:44.55 | snowbird | ill recheck |
| 17:44.55 | andrew_p | will read xorg.conf(5) tomorrow :) |
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| 17:45.08 | karmatronic | polishkoop, wget http://www.silfreed.net/download/hpzt3000cto/SP23107A.tar.gz |
| 17:45.12 | snowbird | hark |
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| 17:45.31 | hark | snowbird: what failed? |
| 17:45.49 | snowbird | 12 things |
| 17:45.53 | snowbird | il try paste it |
| 17:45.54 | hark | the m-a a-i <driver>? |
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| 17:45.59 | karmatronic | polishkoop, tar -zxvf SP23107A.tar.gz |
| 17:46.05 | andrew_p | weird.. when i attach either native broadcom driver or ndiswapper, i am getting nothing in /var/log/messages |
| 17:46.06 | snowbird | yes hark |
| 17:46.14 | andrew_p | ok, will google for that later |
| 17:46.36 | polishkoop | karmatronic: go on |
| 17:46.50 | karmatronic | polishkoop, you ve done the first two steps? |
| 17:46.56 | polishkoop | karmatronic: affirmative |
| 17:47.05 | snowbird | were is link to debian paste |
| 17:47.12 | snowbird | i need to paste someting |
| 17:47.17 | hark | !paste |
| 17:47.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:47.24 | karmatronic | cd SP23107A/ |
| 17:47.40 | karmatronic | ndiswrapper -l |
| 17:47.59 | karmatronic | polishkoop, erase previous module with |
| 17:48.22 | karmatronic | polishkoop, ndiswrapper -e MODULES_NAME.inf |
| 17:48.35 | karmatronic | polishkoop, then install new one with |
| 17:48.40 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.40 | karmatronic | polishkoop, ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf |
| 17:48.42 | snowbird | hark |
| 17:48.53 | karmatronic | polishkoop, and finally modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 17:48.53 | polishkoop | there is on ndisrwapper -e, -r is to remove (on etch at least) |
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| 17:49.24 | snowbird | no what hark |
| 17:49.30 | snowbird | get that paste hark |
| 17:49.31 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so ndiswrapper -r MODULES_NAME.inf |
| 17:49.37 | polishkoop | k im done with all that now |
| 17:49.49 | hark | snowbird: just a sec.. |
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| 17:49.54 | karmatronic | you did all the steps? |
| 17:49.59 | polishkoop | roger that |
| 17:50.16 | smimp | is all of stable(sarge, i believe) still using 2.4 kernels, all it looked like i had available was 2.4 kernels with 2.6 transitional packages, are those valid kernels, or just stubs in case you installed your own |
| 17:50.18 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so do dmesg and check wifi card was found |
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| 17:50.42 | abrotman | smimp: there are 2.6 kernels available for sarge |
| 17:51.03 | karmatronic | polishkoop, pastebin dmesg | tail -20 if you re not sure wheter it was found |
| 17:51.08 | noshadow | smimp: sarge comes with 2.4 and 2.6. Which is default, depends on how you install it. |
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| 17:51.24 | Jazon | hi. can i view the details of a particlar app live, like you can i tree? I want to keep an eye on Dia for example. |
| 17:51.57 | hark | snowbird: are you using all these sources? |
| 17:52.07 | snowbird | yes |
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| 17:52.22 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so ? |
| 17:52.25 | snowbird | hark is that the problem |
| 17:52.32 | hark | snowbird: just run m-a prepare; m-a a-i <driver> |
| 17:52.38 | Jazon | urfff i meant like you can in top |
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| 17:53.01 | abrotman | what details ? |
| 17:53.03 | snowbird | is that full comand? |
| 17:53.19 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so ? |
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| 17:53.36 | smimp | abrotman, noshadow: so those transitional packages are valid? those were the only kernel-images i saw (i can't access the box now.. it didn't come back up properly after a kernel upgrade.. so now i have to drive out there) |
| 17:53.46 | snowbird | its finishing hark |
| 17:53.51 | abrotman | smimp: SATA drives? |
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| 17:54.03 | polishkoop | karma: hold on |
| 17:54.12 | hark | snowbird: yes, 2 commands. substitute the <driver> with the one for your wireless. |
| 17:54.24 | smimp | abrotman: no, oldish server, i'm thinking pIII 600 |
| 17:54.25 | noshadow | smimp: there should be no transitional packages, unless you use testing, where all kernel-image- are transitional for linux-image- ones. |
| 17:54.51 | abrotman | smimp: in sarge ... kernel-image-2.6-686 is available (in etch+ it is linux-image-2.6-686) |
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| 17:55.05 | polishkoop | karma: i dont think i can pastebin on my system |
| 17:55.19 | polishkoop | karma: im talkin to you on a laptop right now, what should i look for to find out if it was recognized |
| 17:55.33 | Jazon | abrotman: details like mem usage, cpu usage, etc |
| 17:56.00 | meredydd | hey there |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | you can pass top a pid |
| 17:56.07 | smimp | noshadow: you're right.. i switch all my repos to testing to get some upgrades i wanted for postgres/php... how'd i forget to mention that, so yes.. not stable, testing i guess |
| 17:56.13 | meredydd | I'm having issues with apt-get update |
| 17:56.21 | meredydd | I'm getting bzip2 errors |
| 17:56.38 | smimp | thanks, just guess i missed it from dselect |
| 17:56.40 | Jazon | abrotman: cool! thx - didnt know that |
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| 17:56.55 | Wyzard | meredydd: I've seen that happen occasionally too... but just run update again and it works |
| 17:57.51 | snowbird | hark running that comand |
| 17:58.07 | meredydd | (a few lines after the bzip spew, apt says: "Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)") |
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| 17:58.12 | meredydd | and nope, it's persistent. |
| 17:58.27 | christopherl | someone know how to disable tooltips in Gnome? |
| 17:58.40 | Wyzard | meredydd: Maybe the file's actually corrupted on the mirror? |
| 17:58.58 | cornernote | omg.. this is crazy... 3 days on scalix and its still not running |
| 17:59.00 | magyar | hi, when i cat /proc/mdsta i am missing an md device . how cam i start it? |
| 17:59.07 | abrotman | christopherl: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:59.11 | meredydd | I doubt it, Wyzard. It's been happening for several days. |
| 17:59.19 | cornernote | if anyone thinks about using it, think again.. its impossible to set it up |
| 17:59.21 | christopherl | thanks |
| 17:59.34 | Wyzard | meredydd: Download the file manually and check |
| 17:59.38 | karmatronic | polishkoop, |
| 17:59.45 | karmatronic | polishkoop, run ndiswrapper -l |
| 17:59.51 | Jazon | one last question. does running a gnome app in kde take more resources? ie/ will i get better performance if I run it *in* gnome than any other? |
| 17:59.55 | xingu | cornernote: maybe you need their professional services guys to come and cook the stone soup for you ;) |
| 17:59.56 | polishkoop | karmatronic: from what im seeing it looks like everything is working out. it says something about how key 1 is not set, and eth0: link is not ready |
| 18:00.11 | karmatronic | run iwconfig |
| 18:00.17 | polishkoop | driver is installed, hardware is present |
| 18:00.17 | cornernote | xingu: looks like the only way to get it running |
| 18:00.19 | magyar | anyone, how cam i start an md device? |
| 18:00.33 | polishkoop | iwconfig is up |
| 18:00.33 | karmatronic | polishkoop, see! |
| 18:00.35 | meredydd | Wyzard: No error. |
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| 18:00.47 | Wyzard | Jazon: It'll use a little memory to load the GTK libraries, but that's not much |
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| 18:00.59 | abrotman | Jazon: not really .. just that the libraries will likely be loaded already |
| 18:01.00 | cornernote | xingu: i registered at their forums, like 2 days ago, but it needs admin approval.. so i cant even get community help |
| 18:01.05 | karmatronic | polishkoop, from now on your card is recognised so it s time to set wifi parameters |
| 18:01.11 | Wyzard | Jazon: shouldn't be a noticeable difference |
| 18:01.11 | karmatronic | polishkoop, and ip parameters |
| 18:01.16 | Jazon | thx Wyzard, abrotman :) |
| 18:01.19 | polishkoop | karmatronic: ive done that and it hasn't worked. |
| 18:01.23 | hark | christopherl: /apps/panel/global should have a tooltips option, but afaik the window list applet tooltips are not configurable. |
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| 18:01.29 | karmatronic | polishkoop, what s the part not working ? |
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| 18:01.34 | Jazon | thx for the help... :-) |
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| 18:01.50 | karmatronic | polishkoop, you configured /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:02.00 | polishkoop | when i ifup eth0 i get ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) eth0: link is not ready |
| 18:02.08 | polishkoop | which is my problem before, and yeah it is configured there |
| 18:02.20 | Wyzard | polishkoop: That sounds like an unplugged cable |
| 18:02.24 | karmatronic | polishkoop, cos you also have a network pci card |
| 18:02.47 | karmatronic | polishkoop, do you only have the wireless pci card |
| 18:03.01 | karmatronic | polishkoop, or do you have also an ethernet pci card |
| 18:03.04 | magyar | anyone, how can i start an md device? |
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| 18:03.14 | karmatronic | polishkoop, just pastebin lscpi output |
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| 18:03.15 | polishkoop | karmatronic: no only a pci wireless, but i hvae a built in ethernet |
| 18:03.15 | itchi | hi, someone know a good howto mailservr setup for internal mail and fetching smtp mail for home usage, for beginners? |
| 18:03.32 | Wyzard | polishkoop: eth0 is probably your ethernet |
| 18:03.37 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so your built in ethernet is probably eth0 |
| 18:03.42 | polishkoop | eth1 is my ethernet |
| 18:03.49 | karmatronic | polishkoop, are you sure |
| 18:03.51 | karmatronic | ? |
| 18:03.54 | polishkoop | yeah |
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| 18:04.10 | Wyzard | Well, for a wireless interface I guess "link is not ready" would mean it's not associated to an AP |
| 18:04.30 | sam_uk | first of all i should say that i am using 64studio wich is only about 90% debian, it updates audio apps from it's own repo. If people do not want to help fix a bastardised system please ignore me, |
| 18:04.38 | karmatronic | polishkoop, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:04.39 | snowbird | hark |
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| 18:04.51 | karmatronic | polishkoop, do you se dhcp on the wifi network ? |
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| 18:04.57 | polishkoop | karmatronic: will pastebin work with just a shell? i dont even have a web browser set up |
| 18:05.02 | sam_uk | i have however really broken my system and any help would be appriciated http://www.pastebin.ca/320385 |
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| 18:05.07 | polishkoop | karmatronic: yeah my router is set up with dhcp |
| 18:05.27 | karmatronic | polishkoop, does it have an encryption key settled? |
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| 18:05.39 | polishkoop | i karmatronic: i have it off right now. |
| 18:05.43 | itchi | !paste without x |
| 18:05.43 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 18:05.57 | karmatronic | polishkoop, do you know the ESSID name of the router? |
| 18:06.03 | polishkoop | yah |
| 18:06.08 | itchi | polishkoop: Look to what dpkg told |
| 18:06.13 | karmatronic | polishkoop, do you know the channel it s using? |
| 18:06.16 | polishkoop | yeah |
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| 18:06.28 | karmatronic | polishkoop, ok so do that |
| 18:06.34 | polishkoop | k |
| 18:06.37 | karmatronic | polishkoop, iwconfig eth1 mode managed |
| 18:06.53 | karmatronic | polishkoop, iwconfig eth1 essid YOUR_ESSID_NAME |
| 18:07.06 | karmatronic | iwconfig eth1 channel your_channel_number |
| 18:07.11 | magyar | how can i start an md device? |
| 18:07.16 | Wyzard | polishkoop: This is assuming, btw, that your wireless network is not unprotected... no WPA or WEP |
| 18:07.24 | karmatronic | polishkoop, iwconfig eth1 to check the changes were taken |
| 18:07.26 | Wyzard | oops, *is* unprotected |
| 18:07.38 | karmatronic | polishkoop, and then dhclient eth1 to get an ip address |
| 18:08.02 | Wyzard | If you're using WPA or WEP (which you should be) then you need a little more than just setting an ESSID name to connect to it |
| 18:08.04 | polishkoop | i did that, when i do iwconfig ESSID shows off/any. not associated access point. the mode in managed though |
| 18:08.05 | karmatronic | Wyzard, wep is so easy to crack anyway ... |
| 18:08.10 | snowbird | hark now what? |
| 18:08.14 | polishkoop | and i can't connect with dhclient |
| 18:08.29 | karmatronic | run the iwconfig eth1 channel your_channel_number first |
| 18:08.35 | karmatronic | and then the others commands |
| 18:08.52 | polishkoop | same thing |
| 18:09.09 | karmatronic | polishkoop, and also try to put you near the routeur first to see if the problem is just a signal problem |
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| 18:09.12 | polishkoop | when i scan, it does see my network |
| 18:09.18 | polishkoop | my router is 5 feet away |
| 18:09.22 | Wyzard | polishkoop: Rather than trying to configure it manually, consider installing NetworkManager, which gives you a GUI to choose an available wireless network, and handles the DHCP stuff automatically |
| 18:09.34 | Wyzard | karmatronic: That's why I mentioned WPA first and WEP second |
| 18:09.43 | karmatronic | polishkoop, is MAC addrwess filtering put on the routeur ? |
| 18:09.45 | polishkoop | i have wep and wpa turned off for now |
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| 18:09.51 | polishkoop | ill check |
| 18:10.33 | polishkoop | mac filter is disabled |
| 18:10.44 | karmatronic | polishkoop, but.... |
| 18:10.58 | karmatronic | polishkoop, are yuo sure your device is eth1 and not wlan0? |
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| 18:11.04 | polishkoop | it's eth0 |
| 18:11.12 | polishkoop | dmesg says something about ndiswrapper changin device name from wlan0 to eth0 |
| 18:11.31 | karmatronic | polishkoop, try to run the command with wlan0 |
| 18:11.45 | itchi | polishkoop: Look to the hardware id?? |
| 18:11.47 | polishkoop | wlan0 no such device |
| 18:11.59 | justin | sounds like the radio is not on |
| 18:12.19 | karmatronic | polishkoop, the thing is |
| 18:12.38 | karmatronic | polishkoop, the ethernet card should have been found before the wifi one |
| 18:12.49 | polishkoop | karmatronic: it is strange |
| 18:12.52 | justin | karmatronic: who says? |
| 18:13.21 | Wyzard | karmatronic: Not really... it depends entirely on the order in which the drivers are loaded |
| 18:13.23 | hark | snowbird: sorry, was busy. now your module is built and carry on with what you wanted to do :) |
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| 18:13.49 | Wyzard | karmatronic: Anyway, if the card shows up in iwconfig, it says pretty clearly what the interface name is, so if he says it's eth0, I'm inclined to believe it's eth0 |
| 18:13.50 | snowbird | lets see if it finds card |
| 18:13.59 | xingu | allegedly upsream rt2x00 has had rt61 support since 20060620 |
| 18:14.00 | karmatronic | Wyzard, right, but since we configured 10 minutes ago the wifi card and loaded the associated module |
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| 18:14.14 | karmatronic | Wyzard, it should have taken eth1 name and not eth0 |
| 18:14.16 | karmatronic | .... |
| 18:14.20 | polishkoop | u want to ssh me or something |
| 18:14.21 | fooz | rt61 support doesn't really work |
| 18:14.25 | polishkoop | if it wlil make it easier, i dont care |
| 18:14.39 | xingu | fair enough, I don't have a reference to test |
| 18:14.39 | karmatronic | polishkoop, never propose that kind of things ! |
| 18:14.44 | polishkoop | haha |
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| 18:15.10 | polishkoop | its just ive been doing this for weeks with no success, i tried the native drivers which totally did not work. and ndiswrapper which doesn't seem to be working either. getting a little bit annoying |
| 18:15.33 | karmatronic | polishkoop, your card is working as far as i know |
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| 18:15.42 | Budtske|sleep | question: during startup debian testing RC1 detects my HD's in my RAID array as seperate drives and begins throwing loads of error because the partition on there is bigger then the drives itself (JBOD). found in forums resorting to <2.6.12 kernel fixes this but reason unknown |
| 18:15.43 | karmatronic | polishkoop, it s a matter of configuration |
| 18:15.44 | Budtske|sleep | any idea ? |
| 18:16.06 | karmatronic | polishkoop, you are connected now using the ethernet card or another PC? |
| 18:16.19 | polishkoop | im on a laptop right now |
| 18:16.20 | Budtske|sleep | its purely cosmetic, after startup finishes everything works , takes about 5 times as long to boot though |
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| 18:16.26 | polishkoop | but my desktpo is connected through ethernet right now |
| 18:17.04 | snowbird | hark not seeing network yet in network manajour |
| 18:17.12 | karmatronic | ok polishkoop you know the ethernet module used by the desktop pc ? |
| 18:17.22 | polishkoop | karmatronic: negative |
| 18:17.26 | Polleke | Budtske|sleep, I'm missing the question? |
| 18:17.36 | fooz | Budtske|sleep, use mdadm to manually start the raid |
| 18:17.52 | karmatronic | polishkoop, run dmesg | grep eth |
| 18:17.54 | Budtske|sleep | any idea how to not make it throw that many errors without resorting to <2.6.12 kernel |
| 18:18.04 | Budtske|sleep | ty fooz |
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| 18:18.31 | polishkoop | eth1394 |
| 18:18.54 | polishkoop | and yes... it started as eth0. but when ndiswrapper changed wlan0 to eht0 i guess that interface name got pushed to eth1 |
| 18:19.16 | karmatronic | polishkoop, kernel doesnt do thta kind of thing |
| 18:19.26 | fooz | karmatronic, actually it can/does |
| 18:19.30 | fooz | polishkoop, type 'ip link' |
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| 18:19.42 | karmatronic | polishkoop, eth1394 is your firewire link |
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| 18:19.50 | polishkoop | ip link does nothing |
| 18:19.52 | Wyzard | karmatronic: udev does... see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:19.58 | fooz | polishkoop, ...? |
| 18:20.10 | xingu | ip link show |
| 18:20.20 | xingu | or ip moo if you need some levity |
| 18:20.23 | polishkoop | ip command not found |
| 18:20.30 | fooz | polishkoop, install iproute2 |
| 18:20.41 | snowbird | stil cant get wireless siginal |
| 18:20.43 | Wyzard | karmatronic: though it wouldn't "push aside" an interface... the ethernet card could be configured to be always called "eth1" for some other reason |
| 18:21.09 | karmatronic | Wyzard, using udev rules you mean |
| 18:21.14 | fooz | ndiswrapper shouldn't ever rename anything. it could be running afoul of udev |
| 18:21.17 | polishkoop | k what you want from ip link? |
| 18:21.21 | fooz | which is already renaming things |
| 18:21.28 | janttsu | rdiff-backup is running sloooow... can it be done without ssh.. i'm using it on local network |
| 18:21.36 | fooz | polishkoop, what link type (link/ether, link/ieee1394) does it say for eth0? |
| 18:22.08 | polishkoop | link ether is 00:0f:88:81 |
| 18:22.14 | Wyzard | karmatronic: right... if he used to have, say, two ethernet cards, and he removed one to install the wireless card, he could have his remaining ethernet card be called eth1 because that's what it used to be |
| 18:22.16 | fooz | ... |
| 18:22.24 | fooz | polishkoop, I don't need the MAC address |
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| 18:22.41 | karmatronic | Wyzard, i agree |
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| 18:23.10 | fooz | polishkoop, there should be a line saying like, 14: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,... |
| 18:23.26 | fooz | polishkoop, then below that, link/<something> <mac address> etc |
| 18:23.32 | fooz | polishkoop, what's the <something>? |
| 18:23.32 | polishkoop | no carrier, braodcast, multicast, up |
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| 18:23.49 | polishkoop | umm lets see |
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| 18:24.18 | polishkoop | link/ether |
| 18:24.23 | fooz | ok |
| 18:24.36 | polishkoop | as is eth1 |
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| 18:24.51 | trajan | hi all |
| 18:25.32 | karmatronic | polishkoop, here s my guess |
| 18:26.02 | karmatronic | eth0 ->your firewire card |
| 18:26.04 | fooz | polishkoop, find /sys -name eth0 -exec ls -l {}/device/driver ';' |
| 18:26.10 | fooz | karmatronic, it's not the firewire one |
| 18:26.11 | karmatronic | eth1-> your ethernet card |
| 18:26.13 | snowbird | hey i got some good news |
| 18:26.20 | karmatronic | eth2 ->the wifi one... |
| 18:26.20 | polishkoop | eth2 is my firewire |
| 18:26.32 | snowbird | my card is showing up now |
| 18:26.34 | fooz | karmatronic, firewire ethernet has a non-Ethernet linktype |
| 18:26.46 | fooz | link/ieee1394 |
| 18:26.50 | fooz | and it has a 128 bit MAC address |
| 18:27.27 | polishkoop | eth2 is a link/ eth1394 |
| 18:27.40 | magyar | i have an md aray in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but when i try to assemble it it shows "mdadm: /dev/sda8 not identified in config file." |
| 18:27.41 | karmatronic | polishkoop, allright i was wring |
| 18:27.44 | magyar | can anyone help? |
| 18:28.02 | karmatronic | :) |
| 18:28.39 | snowbird | liable, |
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| 18:29.27 | karmatronic | polishkoop, still eth0 is not your wifi card |
| 18:30.02 | fooz | polishkoop, did you run that find command? |
| 18:30.12 | polishkoop | yeah it is |
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| 18:30.16 | faked | can sb. tell me, how to configure the keyboard of a macbook für X so that pipe gets working? |
| 18:30.19 | polishkoop | that craz command? |
| 18:30.25 | fooz | polishkoop, yeah |
| 18:30.47 | fooz | polishkoop, it'll tell you what driver eth0 is using :) |
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| 18:31.23 | polishkoop | ndiswrapper |
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| 18:31.27 | polishkoop | eth0 is using ndiswrapper |
| 18:31.31 | fooz | karmatronic, see? |
| 18:31.58 | fooz | i've never used ndiswrapper, so i don't know how to configure it |
| 18:32.00 | fooz | heh |
| 18:32.06 | karmatronic | strange , cos he also had eth0 realtel rtl8139 at 0xa000, 00:50:8d:eb:ec:e7, IRQ 185 |
| 18:32.40 | karmatronic | in dmesg previsouly |
| 18:32.40 | fooz | they got renamed probably |
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| 18:32.42 | Bracki | what could be the reason that courier-imap-ssl isnt starting properly? |
| 18:32.43 | karmatronic | fooz, |
| 18:33.05 | karmatronic | yeah it s fun but that may be the reason why wifi doesnt work |
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| 18:34.00 | xingu | oddly enough the vendor has a driver for linux right here: http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 18:34.02 | polishkoop | *sigh, i always have problem with my linux systems |
| 18:34.09 | karmatronic | polishkoop, if fooz agrees , i would |
| 18:34.18 | xingu | there's also a few hits on google for issues with rt61 problems with ndiswrapper |
| 18:34.20 | karmatronic | polishkoop, modprobe -r 8139 |
| 18:34.35 | karmatronic | modprobe -r 8139too |
| 18:34.35 | karmatronic | modprobe -r ndiswrapper |
| 18:34.36 | polishkoop | that module isn't found |
| 18:34.39 | karmatronic | modprobe -r eth1394 |
| 18:34.39 | polishkoop | the 8139 one |
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| 18:34.56 | karmatronic | and then modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 18:35.37 | polishkoop | k, done |
| 18:35.44 | blame | I have USB to Ethernet adapter. After I compiled the drivers I issued insmod and dmesg returned message: "usbcore: registered new interface driver dm9601", however the device is still not being recognized, any help please? |
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| 18:35.54 | abrotman | modprobe |
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| 18:36.52 | fooz | blame, that just means the driver is installed, not that it saw the device |
| 18:37.06 | fooz | blame, it's probably not supported |
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| 18:37.15 | rvsjoen | what's the difference between hping2 and hping3 ? |
| 18:37.22 | polishkoop | so am i pretty much screwed? |
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| 18:37.59 | blame | fooz: how do I make it "see" the device, if possible ? |
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| 18:38.06 | snowbird | hark |
| 18:38.08 | fooz | blame, find the correct driver |
| 18:38.10 | polishkoop | hahaha |
| 18:38.19 | steven__ | HI, I have a probem tried making a custom kernel but i get a error that says can't mount root fs on unknown (0,) |
| 18:38.29 | hark | snowbird: yes, did it work? |
| 18:38.35 | abrotman | steven_: then use the one that works |
| 18:38.41 | snowbird | yeah il post someting hank |
| 18:38.50 | steven__ | abrotman, BUT Iwanna use a custom kernel :( |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | then you should know how to compile one that works |
| 18:39.03 | hark | steven__: you screwed up somewhere |
| 18:39.08 | steven__ | i dont know where!!! |
| 18:39.19 | steven__ | i got ide chipset support enabled, i got my file system stuff all enabled |
| 18:39.26 | xingu | blame: physically unplug the dongle; depmod -ae; then physically insert it |
| 18:39.28 | abrotman | filesystem and drive controller compiled in |
| 18:39.45 | steven__ | abrotman, u mean drive controller by ide chipset support? |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:39.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:39.54 | steven__ | ya i did |
| 18:40.01 | blame | alright xingu |
| 18:40.10 | abrotman | why do you want a custom kernel ? |
| 18:40.13 | snowbird | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5139 hank |
| 18:40.19 | steven__ | abrotman, no idea :) |
| 18:40.21 | snowbird | not shure hank |
| 18:40.28 | abrotman | HARK |
| 18:40.34 | steven__ | HARK? |
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| 18:40.42 | abrotman | steven__: not you .. the putz from canada |
| 18:40.50 | abrotman | steven__: then you should ask ##kernel |
| 18:40.52 | steven__ | im from canada! dont make fun of us hehe |
| 18:40.56 | steven__ | abrotman, thanks man |
| 18:41.00 | hark | ah, nm |
| 18:41.25 | karmatronic | polishkoop, so ? |
| 18:41.38 | polishkoop | karmatronic: nothing, still not working |
| 18:41.39 | hark | snowbird: great, so it's finally detected |
| 18:41.45 | snowbird | yeah |
| 18:41.51 | steven__ | OH MY Gosh i think i found out the problem, abrotman is there supposed to be a M or a * beside my chipset? |
| 18:41.54 | karmatronic | polishkoop, you modprobed -r |
| 18:41.57 | polishkoop | yeah |
| 18:41.57 | snowbird | but needs lil config |
| 18:42.03 | polishkoop | and then added ndiswrapper |
| 18:42.15 | fooz | steven__, it could be either, if you use an initramfs |
| 18:42.24 | snowbird | hark should use wpa |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | * |
| 18:42.26 | hark | snowbird: using wpa? |
| 18:42.30 | snowbird | yes |
| 18:42.33 | blame | xingu: nothing.. |
| 18:42.35 | karmatronic | polishkoop, and then configure wifi paramaters? |
| 18:42.36 | steven__ | haha im a dumb motha ._. |
| 18:42.40 | snowbird | should i turn that off? |
| 18:42.43 | TeePOG | hi guys... where can i find a channel for the m23 software distribution system? |
| 18:42.43 | polishkoop | karmatronic: correct |
| 18:42.43 | abrotman | you're from canada ? |
| 18:42.44 | steven__ | i think i will solveed now, thanks guys |
| 18:42.53 | steven__ | abrotman, yea |
| 18:42.54 | abrotman | TeePOG: /list |
| 18:43.16 | blame | xingu: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0a46:0268 Davicom Semiconductor, Inc [from lsusb] |
| 18:43.29 | hark | snowbird: what DE do you run? |
| 18:43.37 | xingu | blame: 2secs, reading something. |
| 18:43.38 | snowbird | etch |
| 18:43.42 | TeePOG | abrotman: thanks for being totally unhelpful... this is why i don't use debian. you could have remained quiet and have been less offensive. |
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| 18:43.52 | hark | snowbird: i meant like gnome or KDE? |
| 18:43.56 | snowbird | kde |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | thanks for being a fucktard! :) |
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| 18:44.31 | snowbird | thats me new name |
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| 18:44.38 | blame | xingu: fooz: I've been reading here on this forum, if please take a look at it if it will help you. I am ready to give up. [ http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11641&page=11 ] |
| 18:44.38 | snowbird | @@ tard |
| 18:44.45 | hark | snowbird: rather than manually getting wpa working, i would recommend use network manager instead |
| 18:45.00 | hark | snowbird: aptitude install knetworkmanager |
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| 18:46.02 | hark | snowbird: wait |
| 18:46.10 | snowbird | kk |
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| 18:46.47 | hark | snowbird: aptitude install network-manager-kde |
| 18:46.48 | pickcoder | how can you tell if a bug report has been viewed by the maint team, on the bts? |
| 18:47.17 | fooz | blame, um.. is this device on an mp3 player? |
| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | pickcoder: you don't? |
| 18:47.21 | hark | haha you can't |
| 18:47.37 | pickcoder | yeah I figured as much |
| 18:47.42 | blame | fooz: USB to LAN Ethernet adapter |
| 18:48.20 | fooz | blame, this page is about cowon mp3 players... |
| 18:48.24 | jelly-home | pickcoder: you know someone's taken a look if/when someone answers |
| 18:48.31 | pickcoder | the dist-upgrade bug I filed is still sitting under normal bugs at the bottom of the list |
| 18:48.36 | bonez39 | abrotman, guerin wasn't much help yesterday...... |
| 18:48.37 | blame | fooz: scroll down, you'll see |
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| 18:48.43 | fooz | blame, i read the entire page |
| 18:48.47 | abrotman | bonez39: did you shoot him ? |
| 18:48.49 | jelly-home | pickcoder: bug number? |
| 18:48.51 | pickcoder | I can't keep this box sitting at the Y/N prompt forever |
| 18:48.58 | steven__ | how do i extract exe's in debian? |
| 18:48.59 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes you can |
| 18:49.00 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404779 |
| 18:49.05 | pickcoder | abrotman: no.. I can't |
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| 18:49.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: what's the question ? |
| 18:49.24 | hark | steven__: cabextract might help |
| 18:49.24 | pickcoder | it's taking up floor space in the living room |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | pickcoder: say Y |
| 18:49.33 | nappelblood | how can i search "files with apt-get" at debian? |
| 18:49.35 | blame | fooz: they are talking about the very same adpater I have..so I only firgured it might help for someone who knows more than I do |
| 18:49.36 | steven__ | no valid cab files found |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: tell the wife you got a new coffee table :) |
| 18:49.44 | pickcoder | abrotman: it's the example posted in the bug report |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: i know what it is .. say Y |
| 18:49.54 | asg | pickcoder: I'd imaging that the supported method of upgrading sarge -> etch is aptitude based, not apt-get based. |
| 18:49.57 | fooz | blame, you have your answer there. "there is no driver, port the 2.4 one or give up" |
| 18:50.11 | pickcoder | abrotman: then, I'll have to go through the entire process again to get back to the bug |
| 18:50.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: wait .. wrong one! |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: wait .. right one! |
| 18:50.24 | jelly-home | pickcoder: what happened after you tried holding the kernel? |
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| 18:50.42 | abrotman | pickcoder: is your box running a 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 18:50.49 | pickcoder | um.. It's been sitting at the prompt since I posted the bug |
| 18:50.49 | blame | fooz: So if you buy a ST268 or DM9601 cheap device it will work with COWON using this drivers: |
| 18:50.49 | blame | http://www.silencio.ro/DM9601.GZ |
| 18:50.56 | fooz | blame, so use those drivers. |
| 18:51.06 | steven__ | hark, idea? |
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| 18:51.15 | blame | fooz: its what did, so far.. |
| 18:51.17 | pickcoder | abrotman: it doesn't matter.. the bug exists for both |
| 18:51.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: if here were running 2.4 he probably wouldn't care about 2.6.8-3-386 being removed |
| 18:51.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: is kernel-image-2.6-686 installed ? |
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| 18:51.41 | pickcoder | abrotman: I'm running apt, so I would assume so |
| 18:51.43 | blame | fooz: the device is not recognisable till |
| 18:51.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:51.46 | blame | *still |
| 18:51.49 | hark | steven__: don't think so |
| 18:51.52 | abrotman | pickcoder: no .. that doesn't answer the question |
| 18:51.55 | fooz | blame, then it's not supported |
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| 18:52.04 | jelly-home | pickcoder: duh, don't assume |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | pickcoder: i want to know if the metapackage is installed |
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| 18:52.17 | blame | fooz: but the man from the forum claims it is supported |
| 18:52.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: for whatever CPU you have |
| 18:52.25 | pickcoder | hold on, I'll have to swap monitor cables and keyboards |
| 18:52.26 | fooz | blame, then ask HIM for help |
| 18:52.28 | abrotman | fooz: it waits for a response |
| 18:52.31 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 18:52.36 | fooz | abrotman, ingenious! |
| 18:53.03 | fooz | blame, i'm not a man from audiophile.net forums |
| 18:53.08 | blame | fooz: he isn't available, I did |
| 18:53.09 | fooz | I don't own a Cowon A2 |
| 18:53.19 | asg | abrotman: would you say I have a plethora? |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | Cow on A2? Squid to A4, check! |
| 18:53.38 | xingu | blame: have you actually put the driver into /lib/modules/`uname -r`/... ? |
| 18:53.40 | snowbird | hark its in klan how i set my wpa? |
| 18:53.42 | abrotman | asg: "How can you tell?" .. "Can't you see the little balls?" :) |
| 18:53.47 | fooz | xingu, he loaded the module already |
| 18:54.01 | asg | abrotman: El 'Wapo est mucho bueno |
| 18:54.07 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:54.14 | blame | xingu: not I thought that was duirng start up ? |
| 18:54.20 | pickcoder | yes the meta package is installed.. it's also stated in the bug report |
| 18:54.41 | hark | snowbird: comment out anything related to your wireless from /etc/network/interfaces and restart networking |
| 18:54.43 | abrotman | asg: http://imdb.com/title/tt0092086/quotes |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: no it's not |
| 18:55.04 | pickcoder | yes.. it is.. the policy info for it is there |
| 18:55.06 | xingu | fooz: will that result in the hotplug stuff binding the driver to the usb device or just knacker any chance of success though? that's why I'm asking. |
| 18:55.22 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 18:55.23 | fooz | the kernel does that part |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | pickcoder: that's not the metapackage |
| 18:55.34 | snowbird | hark cant get in there |
| 18:55.36 | pickcoder | oh |
| 18:55.38 | pickcoder | hold on |
| 18:55.48 | hark | snowbird: as root? |
| 18:55.55 | snowbird | yes |
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| 18:56.17 | fooz | omg.. firewire really bugs me in 2.6.19 |
| 18:56.23 | abrotman | why doesn't pickcoder irc from the afflicted box ? |
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| 18:56.33 | blame | so xingu no hope for me ? |
| 18:56.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: no network? |
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| 18:56.42 | pickcoder | b/c pickcoder only has 1 CAT5 cable |
| 18:56.58 | asg | pickcoder: they aren't *that* expensive, by another one |
| 18:57.00 | pickcoder | the only kernel-image installed is the one I posted in the bug report |
| 18:57.03 | asg | *buy |
| 18:57.04 | hark | snowbird: kate /etc/network/interfaces <-- run as root! |
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| 18:57.09 | pickcoder | asg: I also don't have anywhere to plug it in |
| 18:57.12 | abrotman | hark: overkill! |
| 18:57.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: bend over |
| 18:57.27 | blondie | :OI |
| 18:57.31 | jelly-home | kate?! What about vi, nano, joe? |
| 18:57.38 | asg | abrotman: what MTU do you recommend for the average anus? |
| 18:57.41 | snowbird | kk hark |
| 18:57.41 | hark | abrotman: take over please ;) |
| 18:57.42 | fooz | jelly-home, EMACS |
| 18:57.44 | fooz | er |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | asg: 1 :) |
| 18:57.47 | abrotman | hark: no way! |
| 18:57.51 | asg | abrotman: capital! |
| 18:57.56 | abrotman | hark: there's a reason i stopped :) |
| 18:58.05 | snowbird | hark remove net 0? |
| 18:58.13 | asg | jelly-home: s/ as root// |
| 18:58.14 | fooz | jelly-home, um.. those are all graphical editors mang |
| 18:58.21 | fooz | maybe vi is on the fence |
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| 18:58.37 | abrotman | nano is GUI ? |
| 18:58.44 | fooz | yeah. |
| 18:58.45 | asg | abrotman: xterm -e nano |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | hell no |
| 18:58.55 | fooz | you can have graphics without being an X program |
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| 18:58.58 | jelly-home | fooz: I don't see nano opening an X window |
| 18:59.03 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: if you are not using rt2x00 you have to use the built in wpa stuff in the ralink driver (network mangler won't work) |
| 18:59.08 | xingu | blame: you still haven't answered my question; have you put the built module into /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/net/ ? |
| 18:59.10 | hark | snowbird: any wlan0 or wmaster0 here? |
| 18:59.16 | snowbird | yes |
| 18:59.18 | abrotman | fooz: i realize that .. but i don't use nano |
| 18:59.25 | pickcoder | one of these days I'll join 2007 and get wlan here in the house |
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| 18:59.55 | hark | snowbird: comment those lines out and restart networking |
| 19:00.02 | snowbird | nothing there like that |
| 19:00.07 | jelly-home | fooz: I don't count anything usable on a VT100 terminal as GUI. |
| 19:00.19 | snowbird | auto lo wlan0 |
| 19:00.26 | fooz | jelly-home, but you said emacs is gui. you contradict yourself. |
| 19:00.30 | pickcoder | abrotman: I don't see why apt would consider the kernel package to be removable |
| 19:00.33 | snowbird | close that? |
| 19:00.35 | pickcoder | or initrd for that matter |
| 19:00.40 | blame | xingu: I did actually. I did not because I thought this operation is meant for driver power up during boot, Am I wrong? |
| 19:00.42 | hark | snowbird: good then start knetworkmanager and see if it finds your network. |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | fooz: I didn't say anything about emacs. |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | pickcoder: because .. you're upgrading udev .. install the damn metapackage |
| 19:01.00 | fooz | 10:58 * jelly-home won't run a steenkin gui editor as root |
| 19:01.01 | blame | xingu: should I do that know ? |
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| 19:01.02 | pickcoder | abrotman: this was a clean Sarge install |
| 19:01.04 | snowbird | it does hank but cant conect cause of wpa? |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: great .. isntall the metapackage! |
| 19:01.13 | jelly-home | fooz: and where's emacs in that? |
| 19:01.16 | pickcoder | that's not my problem |
| 19:01.25 | pickcoder | it should have been installed by default if that's the issue |
| 19:01.27 | fooz | a few lines above |
| 19:01.40 | asg | !comfort abrotman |
| 19:01.40 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:01.47 | xingu | blame: are you 100% sure that this driver is for your hardware? its vendor/device id are not bound by it |
| 19:01.53 | jelly-home | fooz: I was referring to <hark> snowbird: kate /etc/network/interfaces <-- run as root! |
| 19:02.01 | hark | snowbird: maybe, but if you click on the detected network, does it prompt you for a password? |
| 19:02.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: no .. it is a good idea .. but shouldn't automatically be installed |
| 19:02.09 | snowbird | no hark |
| 19:02.23 | fooz | ok |
| 19:02.26 | hark | jelly-home: i had to! scroll back to see why :) |
| 19:02.31 | pickcoder | er.. if it has to be there for apt to know not to screw up the install, then it should be installed as part of the base |
| 19:02.44 | abrotman | oh well .. it's not .. install the damn metapackage |
| 19:02.49 | snowbird | hark says no networks found on scan |
| 19:03.32 | hark | snowbird: but you just said that it did... |
| 19:03.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: I will try the metapackage and then dist-upgrade |
| 19:03.42 | snowbird | it can find em |
| 19:03.43 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: the README tells you what you need to do (and in what order) |
| 19:03.46 | pickcoder | if it works, I'll note the bug report |
| 19:03.48 | snowbird | but cant conect |
| 19:03.53 | abrotman | pickcoder: make sure it is going to install a new kernel .. but i'm pretty it will work |
| 19:03.57 | pickcoder | otherwise someone has to fix the package |
| 19:04.00 | jelly-home | hark: I just think it's not good advice in general |
| 19:04.00 | abrotman | !fuck udev |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | :( |
| 19:04.04 | snowbird | if i run kwifi its not find em |
| 19:04.11 | snowbird | hark two monitors |
| 19:04.16 | pickcoder | too many people have been complaining about dist-upgrade from Sarge |
| 19:04.22 | blame | xingu: its what the man from the forum said. I am not sure what must be done, thats why I am here asking silly questions |
| 19:04.23 | hark | !confuse snowbird |
| 19:04.23 | dpkg | Yes, those was your pineapple yesterday, snowbird? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 19:04.24 | pickcoder | to just tell them to install the metapackage |
| 19:04.26 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:04.31 | bonez39 | abrotman, didn't shoot him..he just declined to help with my situation....said it was not his forte.... |
| 19:04.35 | RvGaTe | Anyone here near holland, that wants to attend a 11 day lan-party with 2 other debian users? http://www.campzone.nl/.... itchi and I are going there, we have room for 2 more people to share the tent with us.. if you're interested get into #debian-campzone :) |
| 19:04.39 | jelly-home | mmm, crabpaste |
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| 19:04.42 | abrotman | bonez39: what was the issue? printing ? |
| 19:04.54 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite jelly-home |
| 19:04.59 | fooz | omg, 11 day lan party.. that would smell really bad |
| 19:05.13 | xingu | blame: the forum posts are talking about a different device - 0x0a46:0x9601 |
| 19:05.20 | xingu | blame: same vendor, different device id. |
| 19:05.22 | asg | fooz: 11 days of nethack would be painful |
| 19:05.28 | xingu | quite possibly different hardware |
| 19:05.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: wtf does that one even exist?! |
| 19:05.35 | bonez39 | abrotman, yeah, it's a permissions issue with printing...I check samba..it's running... I can mount drives on the win xp box...and read and write...it's just that the printing never seems to get into xp's print queue...despite jobs appearing on the linux side that they are going through... |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: thomas_adam |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | !tell jelly-home about crabpaste |
| 19:05.57 | abrotman | !tell jelly-home about cheesesteak |
| 19:06.01 | snowbird | hark should i drop wpa? |
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| 19:06.16 | bonez39 | abrotman, plus...as root, printing seems to go through...but not as user..as user the print attempts fail....and the root print attempts go, but they don't reach xp some how |
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| 19:06.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: not the foodstuff, the smite style |
| 19:06.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: because we were talking about crabpaste |
| 19:06.36 | hark | snowbird: i don't know what kwifi is, but if it detects the network might be some other issue. |
| 19:06.40 | hark | snowbird: might as well try |
| 19:06.44 | snowbird | kk |
| 19:06.53 | snowbird | kwi is wifi scan monitor |
| 19:06.59 | blame | xingu: the dongle came with disk with drivers for kernel 2.4.x kernel, this will deffinetly not work will it? |
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| 19:07.00 | jelly-home | mm, crabpaste |
| 19:07.08 | abrotman | bonez39: other machines can print to the windows printer? |
| 19:07.32 | dellthinker | How can i turn on/off httpd ? |
| 19:07.35 | snowbird | got this for thanks guys il figure rest out |
| 19:07.44 | asg | dellthinker: /etc/init.d/<server> [start|stop] |
| 19:07.45 | abrotman | dellthinker: how did you turn it on ? |
| 19:07.47 | dellthinker | I have the daemon installed from the distro installation |
| 19:07.53 | dellthinker | ty asg |
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| 19:08.03 | abrotman | dellthinker: what distro ? |
| 19:08.05 | hark | yay! free :) |
| 19:08.08 | RvGaTe | noone interested in this lanparty? cmon |
| 19:08.18 | dellthinker | abrotman: why, debian ofcourse :o) |
| 19:08.21 | xingu | blame: correct; I don't understand how you're making the link between your hardware, and the dm9601 device |
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| 19:08.29 | abrotman | dellthinker: sure ... |
| 19:08.46 | xingu | blame: I can see with my own eyes that your 2.6 driver forward port for dm9601 will not bind to your hardware as-is |
| 19:09.05 | blame | xingu: So if you buy a ST268 or DM9601 cheap device it will work with COWON using this drivers: |
| 19:09.05 | blame | http://www.silencio.ro/DM9601.GZ |
| 19:09.09 | xingu | blame: it's a one-liner to ask it to do so, but if the hardware is different it's a moot point |
| 19:09.19 | blame | this is what I saw in the forum |
| 19:09.43 | xingu | blame: yes, I see it too - and there's no cite for how that linkage is made, and your device has a different device id |
| 19:10.18 | dellthinker | These services are all fuxored. Can i remove the packages and install them individually? |
| 19:10.28 | dellthinker | asg - btw that didnt work |
| 19:10.38 | h3sp4wn | blame: you could try adding the pci-id to the driver (I have got things to work that way before) |
| 19:10.44 | asg | dellthinker: in what way did it not work? |
| 19:10.49 | blame | alright xingu thank you for taking the time to explain things a bit. Bottom line - it will NOT work, right ? |
| 19:10.58 | dellthinker | bash: init.d/httpd: No such file or directory |
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| 19:10.59 | fly__ | hello: can you look at this error? http://rafb.net/p/2Ft5tF12.html |
| 19:11.13 | blame | h3sp4wn: if you tell me how I will gladly let you know the results ;) |
| 19:11.19 | jelly-home | dellthinker: it's not called that way. |
| 19:11.26 | asg | dellthinker: /etc/init.d/apache [start|stop] |
| 19:11.41 | asg | dellthinker: presuming apache is the httpd you are using and not something else |
| 19:12.26 | xingu | blame: not as-is; if you want to experiment, add a new line to dm9601.h; copy the Davicom USB-100 line (vendor 0x0a46) and insert your details |
| 19:12.26 | dellthinker | asg - yes. it came with the install |
| 19:12.27 | xingu | blame: then recompile, park the driver in /lib/modulers/..., re-run depmod -ae, rmmod the existing driver, and reinsert the stick. |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 19:12.36 | xingu | blame: s/modulers/modules/ |
| 19:12.52 | dellthinker | asg - it was different |
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| 19:12.58 | xingu | blame: this may crash your system and eat your rootfs; I'm not warranting the driver or this patch to it. |
| 19:13.08 | asg | dellthinker: different? In what way? |
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| 19:13.19 | dellthinker | /etc/init.d/apache2 -k start |
| 19:13.30 | sgeigerbot | How do I start Conkeror? I have it installed (Firefox 2.0). The docs somewhere mentioned it woudl work with 2.0. |
| 19:13.33 | xingu | blame: because I don't know how the leap from vendor=davicom device=0x0268 to st268 to dm9601 is being made |
| 19:13.36 | asg | dellthinker: then /etc/init.d/apache2 [stop|start] |
| 19:13.44 | sgeigerbot | I've tried used M-x ...but that doesn't work. |
| 19:13.45 | jelly-home | dellthinker: what do you think -k is going to do? |
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| 19:13.52 | dellthinker | asg - yups i got it ty |
| 19:13.58 | xingu | blame: and blind faith has no business with kernel mode. |
| 19:14.05 | dellthinker | jelly-home - Its in the usage |
| 19:14.35 | dellthinker | Usage: apache2 [-k start|restart| |
| 19:14.47 | blame | xingu: I know this is rather unusual here, but may I contact you on PM I am getting a bit confused here if thats alright? |
| 19:15.11 | jelly-home | dellthinker: hmm. Mine says "Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}" but than again I'm running etch |
| 19:15.16 | xingu | blame: I'm about to go off for a bit; if that's over your head then the best thing you can do is return the device and buy something that's already supported |
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| 19:16.05 | blame | xingu: what I've been meaning to tell you is that before I compiled the driver i deleted something ind m9601.h |
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| 19:16.26 | blame | xingu: actaully in dm9601.c |
| 19:17.07 | jelly-home | dellthinker: and even on stable, I have "Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload" |
| 19:17.08 | blame | xingu: I deleted in dm9601.c include/dm9601.h (someone told me) because as it came it did not work |
| 19:17.17 | jelly-home | dellthinker: are you SURE you're running Debian? :-) |
| 19:17.20 | blame | (compile) |
| 19:17.26 | ice63 | what's up with flashplugin-nonfree ?? |
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| 19:18.01 | cat | hey im having issues starting up gnome, with beryl before it was running fine and now im getting some error |
| 19:18.21 | Ryengoth | abrotman: you were spot-on |
| 19:18.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:18.43 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:18.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: do i get a cookie ? |
| 19:19.01 | pickcoder | !beer abrotman |
| 19:19.08 | polishkoop | !atheros |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:19.16 | polishkoop | !ath |
| 19:19.29 | asg | polishkoop: /msg dpkg listkeys <keywords> |
| 19:19.35 | blame | xingu: thank you for your time. |
| 19:20.42 | dan2 | asg,abrotman: you guys ready for some football?! |
| 19:20.48 | karmatronic | polishkoop, ? |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | dan2: tomorrow ... |
| 19:20.56 | polishkoop | yeah? |
| 19:20.59 | row | how do you define the expire date of a ssl cert when using make-ssl-cert? |
| 19:21.10 | polishkoop | karmatronic: im pretty much done with this desktop, im just gonna sell it. it's worthless to me now |
| 19:21.18 | dan2 | abrotman, me thunken Colts v. Bears superbowl |
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| 19:21.32 | blondie | "foot""ball" |
| 19:21.48 | karmatronic | polishkoop, what s the model ? |
| 19:21.50 | asg | blondie: competitive nutsack |
| 19:21.59 | polishkoop | home made |
| 19:22.08 | dan2 | asg, long time no talk |
| 19:22.09 | dan2 | :) |
| 19:22.16 | asg | dan2: yeah, you doing okay? |
| 19:22.21 | dan2 | doing excellent |
| 19:22.21 | RvGaTe | ##debian-campzone :) |
| 19:22.28 | abrotman | dan2: colts/saints |
| 19:22.34 | abrotman | RvGaTe: enough already |
| 19:22.42 | blondie | is that for camp people or what? |
| 19:22.44 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: spam is bad, mkay |
| 19:22.50 | dan2 | abrotman, the colts have gotten their asses handed to them every time they've played the patriots |
| 19:23.04 | polishkoop | it looks like i wont be using linux anymore *sigh |
| 19:23.06 | abrotman | so? |
| 19:23.14 | blondie | polishkoop: orly? |
| 19:23.18 | dan2 | abrotman, it will be a very good game. I think colts will come on top |
| 19:23.20 | octoberdan | Is there a way to exclude a certain file from a recursive cp? |
| 19:23.23 | pickcoder | would it be possible to add that to the factoids? |
| 19:23.31 | polishkoop | blondie: i can't use it anymore. it's pretty much not possible |
| 19:23.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman, jelly-home... short fuse huh... :P im just letting you guys know its a different channel |
| 19:23.34 | dan2 | abrotman, Chicago would crush the Colts |
| 19:23.37 | blondie | polishkoop: why? |
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| 19:23.42 | dan2 | abrotman, hmm, so would Saints |
| 19:23.43 | abrotman | RvGaTe: you already told us once |
| 19:23.49 | abrotman | dan2: not likely |
| 19:23.55 | dan2 | abrotman, both have excellent run games. Colts have worst run defense in the league |
| 19:23.59 | RvGaTe | abrotman, wich was the wrong channel... |
| 19:24.00 | polishkoop | blondie: this desktop's wireless wont work. and there is no chance for me to run a wire to my room. |
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| 19:24.23 | runa | hey :) are vmware images booteable? ie, can I transfer the contents of the vmdk file to /dev/hda1 and boot from there? and, do you think I can make grub boot from one of those images? |
| 19:24.24 | blondie | polishkoop: get ethernet over power adaptors |
| 19:24.24 | abrotman | dan2: and they beat two teams with excellent running games to get this far in the playoffs ... your logic sucks |
| 19:24.47 | dan2 | abrotman, ya, but Chicago has world class special teams |
| 19:25.02 | pickcoder | polishkoop: what's wrong with the wlan card? |
| 19:25.02 | dan2 | abrotman, who else can run kickoff and punt returns for touchdowns? |
| 19:25.06 | blondie | world class? no-one else plays american "football" except the US |
| 19:25.14 | fooz | haha |
| 19:25.16 | dan2 | blondie, soccer is for pussies |
| 19:25.24 | blondie | dan2: it's called football not soccer. |
| 19:25.33 | blondie | because... you use your feet and it has a ball. |
| 19:25.36 | karmatronic | polishkoop, buy an atheros pcmcia |
| 19:26.05 | polishkoop | i really don't feel like buying anything |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | dan2: every other team in the league |
| 19:26.25 | blondie | dan2: american football is rugby for pussies ;) |
| 19:26.45 | dan2 | blondie, real Football has three team stages. Offense, Defense and Special Teams. To successfully win in real football, you need good execution by the team on all three stages. Not just having one really good player |
| 19:26.53 | jelly-home | american football is not football! |
| 19:27.04 | blondie | (all sports suck, so I'm not very bothered) |
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| 19:27.26 | blondie | !offtopic |
| 19:27.31 | blondie | !off topic |
| 19:27.31 | dpkg | Shut up, blondie, you whore. keep to the topic. |
| 19:27.33 | steven__ | anyone here who maed a custom kernel wanna hep me out? |
| 19:27.34 | blondie | :( |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | steven__: ##kernel |
| 19:27.49 | steven__ | OK |
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| 19:28.28 | sportman_ | hi |
| 19:28.33 | sportman_ | i just instaleld the minimal debian install |
| 19:28.39 | sportman_ | and i have a usb network interface |
| 19:28.53 | sportman_ | it is detected as a pegasus II |
| 19:29.06 | sportman_ | and the usb ethernet adapter lights up fine |
| 19:29.12 | sportman_ | but when i run ifconfig |
| 19:29.19 | sportman_ | only the loopback interface shows up |
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| 19:30.03 | blondie | sportman_: if you do "ifconfig eth0" does it show details? |
| 19:30.08 | sportman_ | yes |
| 19:30.10 | sportman_ | it does |
| 19:30.16 | blondie | right, it's just not configured then |
| 19:30.18 | sportman_ | sp |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 19:30.23 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 19:30.24 | blondie | you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:30.25 | sportman_ | so what should i run |
| 19:30.28 | sportman_ | ok |
| 19:30.58 | sportman_ | let me go into that |
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| 19:31.11 | sportman_ | pl |
| 19:31.15 | sportman_ | ok |
| 19:31.18 | sportman_ | so how would i set it up |
| 19:31.22 | sportman_ | i want dhcp |
| 19:31.33 | sportman_ | would it be |
| 19:31.42 | sportman_ | auto eth0 |
| 19:31.47 | blondie | yes |
| 19:32.01 | sportman_ | so lets see |
| 19:32.02 | blondie | and on the next line: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:32.11 | sportman_ | heh |
| 19:32.12 | blondie | you just need those two lines |
| 19:32.13 | sportman_ | k |
| 19:32.13 | sportman_ | :) |
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| 19:33.24 | sportman_ | now reboot? |
| 19:33.27 | blondie | no |
| 19:33.37 | blondie | only reboot if you change your kernel :P |
| 19:33.37 | sportman_ | k |
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| 19:33.43 | blondie | type dhclient eth0 |
| 19:34.04 | sportman_ | yey |
| 19:34.06 | sportman_ | it worked |
| 19:34.09 | sportman_ | but now if i reboot |
| 19:34.14 | sportman_ | will it work automatically? |
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| 19:34.56 | pickcoder | sportman_: it should |
| 19:35.08 | sportman_ | great |
| 19:35.08 | sportman_ | :) |
| 19:35.12 | nvz | sportman_: if you have the word auto in the interfaces file, it will be brought up automaticalaly |
| 19:35.18 | sportman_ | sweetness |
| 19:35.19 | sportman_ | :) |
| 19:35.37 | sportman_ | then completely forgot |
| 19:35.41 | sportman_ | after not messing with it for a year |
| 19:36.19 | sportman_ | eww |
| 19:36.22 | sportman_ | i have no apt sources |
| 19:36.26 | sportman_ | thats always fun |
| 19:37.24 | Thmss | Have you mooed today ? |
| 19:37.28 | blondie | cno |
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| 19:38.04 | asg | Thmss: I had a steak for lunch, does that count? |
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| 19:38.55 | sportman_ | is there a list of good repos to use |
| 19:38.58 | sportman_ | so i get a nice list together? |
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| 19:39.07 | itchi | sportman_: Look to apt-spy |
| 19:39.17 | asg | sportman_: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:39.18 | h3sp4wn | sportman_: anything not already in debian is normally not really worth using |
| 19:39.20 | Thmss | no asg |
| 19:39.57 | asg | pity |
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| 19:40.18 | karsten | h3sp4wn: But RHEL's not in Debian! |
| 19:40.24 | itchi | Someone a good howto for mail server setup (for internal mail and external for home usage), exim+courier+fetchmail+procmail or whatever nice good setup |
| 19:40.27 | blondie | neither is Vista |
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| 19:41.15 | christopherl | someone know how to disable bootup splash screen? |
| 19:41.15 | sportman_ | kk h3sp4wn |
| 19:41.15 | karsten | !tell sportman_ about enter |
| 19:41.21 | asg | karsten: I assumed it was implied |
| 19:41.32 | alkerbobo | I installed an updated kernel (from 2.6.15-1 to 2.6.18-3 on debian testing. I had some issues so I removed that kernel and set grub to boot from the -15 image |
| 19:41.33 | itchi | christopherl: Not compile it into your kernel or use Debian stock kernel?? |
| 19:41.36 | sportman_ | my apologies karsten |
| 19:41.38 | rvsjoen | itchi: I really like this setup, http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier |
| 19:41.45 | alkerbobo | however now it seems that certain programs have started to segfault |
| 19:41.56 | karsten | sportman_: Um. There's ~20k packages in current testing/unstable (counting marillat multimedia codecs), which is more than pretty much _any_ other OS has for preconfigured, ready-to-install packages. |
| 19:41.57 | alkerbobo | so I'm wondering if there's something I forgot to remove/reinstall on my way backwards |
| 19:42.00 | christopherl | itchi: some other way? |
| 19:42.01 | itchi | rvsjoen: Thanks :-) |
| 19:42.11 | karsten | sportman_: NP |
| 19:42.17 | itchi | christopherl: There is no bootslash enabled default |
| 19:42.25 | itchi | !bootsplash |
| 19:42.25 | dpkg | methinks bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 19:42.44 | itchi | christopherl: Are you using Debian? |
| 19:42.48 | karsten | christopherl: You can install a grub bitmap. |
| 19:43.11 | christopherl | ok |
| 19:43.45 | alkerbobo | do I perhaps need to remove and install my current kernel again to put things back on track? |
| 19:43.51 | karsten | christopherl: ... is that what you're referring to? Or the penguin bitmap on boot if you're using framebuffer (*not* configured in Debian kernels). Or sometimes other splash type stuff in init (RH and Suse do that). |
| 19:44.10 | pickcoder | alkerbobo: use strace to see why the problem is segfaulting |
| 19:44.27 | christopherl | yeyep |
| 19:44.31 | karsten | alkerbobo: segfaults may have many causes, among them HW. |
| 19:45.09 | alkerbobo | karsten: I know. But if things were working fine immediately before I changed kernels a hardware issue is doubtful at best |
| 19:45.15 | alkerbobo | pickcoder: thanks I'll give that a look |
| 19:45.25 | karsten | alkerbobo: That would be a reasonable inference |
| 19:45.26 | pickcoder | a change in kernel also means a change in modules |
| 19:45.32 | pickcoder | so it could be a module issue |
| 19:45.37 | alkerbobo | yeah |
| 19:45.40 | asg | !qotd53 |
| 19:45.40 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 19:45.40 | alkerbobo | that's what I was thinking |
| 19:45.43 | sportman_ | now to figure out how to use dynamic dns with an email server |
| 19:45.44 | sportman_ | :-p |
| 19:45.52 | sportman_ | better yet bind |
| 19:45.53 | sportman_ | :-p |
| 19:45.58 | sportman_ | with dynamic dns |
| 19:46.15 | sportman_ | oh, sorry i keep hitting enter i really need to start working on that |
| 19:46.17 | alkerbobo | hence my thought that I might just want to reinstall the current kernel forcing the modules to more or less readjust themselves without too much work on my part |
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| 19:46.38 | pickcoder | alkerbobo: the modules don't change unless you upgrade the kernel |
| 19:46.47 | karsten | sportman_: ;-) |
| 19:46.48 | pickcoder | if they worked before, they should work now |
| 19:46.49 | alkerbobo | pickcoder: which I did |
| 19:46.54 | pickcoder | unless the application has been upgraded |
| 19:46.55 | alkerbobo | pickcoder: then I removed the update kernel |
| 19:47.02 | alkerbobo | updated rather |
| 19:47.02 | karsten | sportman_: I just gets a tad busy if everyone starts doing that. |
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| 19:47.42 | sportman_ | is there a command in debian to figure out which ports i have access to |
| 19:47.50 | sportman_ | like my isp blocks me from hosting on port 80 |
| 19:47.56 | sportman_ | i want to figure out if they block 25 |
| 19:47.58 | sportman_ | or 21 |
| 19:48.01 | sportman_ | and stuff |
| 19:48.02 | sportman_ | as well |
| 19:48.08 | Wyzard | Does anyone know why Debian's precompiled kernels don't have the nf_conntrack framework that allows IPv6 connection tracking? |
| 19:48.11 | itchi | sportman_: Ask your isp and fix you Enter key, these gona hate you |
| 19:48.23 | pickcoder | sportman_: you need to test ports from an external box |
| 19:48.30 | apocn | I installed the "netinst" cd in my tablet pc, but my network card is not supported (Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller). besides getting the kernel sources/applying a patch with the required module, which other/easier option do I have? |
| 19:48.39 | Wyzard | sportman_: Run nmap on yourself from elsewhere on the internet |
| 19:48.40 | asg | sportman_: you could also ask your ISP what inbound ports they allow |
| 19:48.50 | itchi | sportman_: Many isp, block the ports < 1024 for /security/ purpose |
| 19:49.09 | unperson | I'm trying to get the NIC for my system working. After I add a module with modprobe, what is the best/fastest way to tell if my NIC is functioning? Should I see a new entry in the output of ifconfig -a? |
| 19:49.29 | sportman_ | yea, thats what i figured itchi, but i think they might be a little more specific then that, because like port72 is not blocked so i use that with apache usually |
| 19:49.30 | Wyzard | unperson: Yes, "ifconfig -a" (or preferably, "ip link show") should show a new interface |
| 19:49.35 | asg | unperson: yes, you should see an interface entry in the output of 'ifconfig -a' |
| 19:49.41 | karsten | sportman_: You can try nmap on some host which you know has specific ports open. |
| 19:49.44 | asg | unperson: dmesg should also show you information |
| 19:49.45 | itchi | sportman_: Maybe, let just run your webserver on both ports, 80 for internal network, and another that are used for external traffic |
| 19:50.00 | apocn | can anyone help me? |
| 19:50.17 | karsten | sportman_: I'm not aware of any particular way to tell where the block is happening other than trying various intermediate nodes between youself and sometarget. |
| 19:50.21 | pickcoder | apocn: what version of Debian? |
| 19:50.24 | h3sp4wn | karsten: I would rather use Solaris than RHEL (if I needed certification for an app) |
| 19:50.29 | unperson | Wyzard, asg many thanks. |
| 19:50.37 | sportman_ | oh yea, that would be good itchi |
| 19:50.43 | karsten | apocn: In general, chroot (debootstrap) install from a supported distro, eg: Knoppix. |
| 19:50.47 | apocn | its the netinst stable: 31r4 |
| 19:50.59 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Oddly enough, Solaris isn't in Debian either. |
| 19:50.59 | itchi | apocn: Take the Etch that support decenter hardware |
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| 19:51.00 | unperson | It's a pain to try to get the NIC working, because I can't do that and use the computer to seek help at the same time. :-) |
| 19:51.01 | sportman_ | cause certain programs mess up when i switch my server to 72, but yea if i keep it 80 as well it would work better, good thinking |
| 19:51.03 | apocn | it comes with kernel: 2.4.27 |
| 19:51.23 | asg | apocn: you could have installed with 'linux26' at the boot: prompt |
| 19:51.35 | apocn | ok |
| 19:51.38 | apocn | let me re-install then |
| 19:51.40 | pickcoder | apocn: you can install the 2.6.8 kernel on Sarge |
| 19:51.41 | itchi | sportman_: I use 3334, here http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ just bit more to type |
| 19:51.47 | pickcoder | without reinstalling |
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| 19:52.03 | apocn | ok |
| 19:52.09 | pickcoder | first determine which kernel has drivers for your nic chipset |
| 19:52.10 | apocn | you mean manually compiling the new kernel? |
| 19:52.20 | sportman_ | yea i know what you mean itchi |
| 19:52.26 | pickcoder | apocn: no.. it's a transitional package |
| 19:52.31 | karsten | !kp |
| 19:52.31 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:52.31 | apocn | ok |
| 19:52.32 | jelly-home | karsten: rhel AND suse? Funny. |
| 19:52.38 | sportman_ | pm itchi ? |
| 19:52.39 | pickcoder | kernel-image-2.6-686 for example |
| 19:52.44 | pickcoder | for P2/P3 |
| 19:52.45 | karsten | jelly-home: compatibility testing largely. |
| 19:52.46 | itchi | sportman_: Just bit sad of the isp, but there are escaping ways. |
| 19:52.56 | karsten | jelly-home: RHEL is mostly our standard. |
| 19:52.58 | apocn | ok |
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| 19:53.16 | apocn | thanks pickcoder |
| 19:53.24 | itchi | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 19:53.25 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 19:53.29 | itchi | apocn: ^^ |
| 19:53.42 | jelly-home | karsten: what's your main product if it's not classified? |
| 19:53.52 | apocn | nice! |
| 19:54.02 | itchi | apocn: Lesser work |
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| 19:59.30 | phorce1 | OK, it's been too many years. How do I get Debian to act as a dumb terminal for another computer connected by a nul-modem serial cable? |
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| 20:00.00 | jouke | hey, I installed pure-ftpd-ldap but I get the following error: 421 Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted |
| 20:00.40 | jelly-home | phorce1: minicom? |
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| 20:01.46 | [Cadet] | google linux serial cable grub |
| 20:01.49 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 nvidia |
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| 20:02.04 | matteo | hi |
| 20:02.10 | phorce1 | jelly-home: minicom seems to want too hard for there to be a modem to work with. |
| 20:02.18 | fooz | omg.. stupid shell script quoting errors |
| 20:02.22 | khaleel5000 | !tell khaleel5000 nvidia etch |
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| 20:02.32 | matteo | why should I put the journal on a different device than the one with the fs? |
| 20:02.44 | khaleel5000 | !tell me nvidia |
| 20:02.57 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: I have minicom setup not to dial I just minicom -o console it works (I think it has to be setup once by running minicom as root) |
| 20:02.57 | khaleel5000 | !nvidia |
| 20:02.57 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 20:03.09 | jelly-home | phorce1: you can change those scripted ATZ settings that appear at start. |
| 20:03.30 | asg | khaleel5000: in the future, use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 20:03.36 | phorce1 | [Cadet]: AHA! -- thanks. Who'd of thought to add "grub" to the search. looks like a good read. |
| 20:03.57 | [Cadet] | phorce1: Sure thing |
| 20:03.57 | jelly-home | grub on serial is _very_ nice |
| 20:04.10 | khaleel5000 | asg: thanks |
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| 20:04.32 | asg | khaleel5000: also, if you don't remember the name of a factoid, try /msg dpkg listkeys <keywords> or /msg dpkg listvals <keywords> |
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| 20:05.31 | khaleel5000 | asg: thanks again , can I somehow get all of his answers in a text file ?? |
| 20:05.43 | rahul | omg.. stupid zoof paraphrasing errors |
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| 20:05.50 | stevepent3 | Hi |
| 20:06.09 | fooz | rahul, stfu noob |
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| 20:06.18 | asg | khaleel5000: /msg dpkg my factoids |
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| 20:06.27 | rahul | zoof, fftw fooz |
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| 20:06.37 | stevepent3 | i am having troubles with DVD and my OS |
| 20:06.39 | phorce1 | h3sp4wn: jelly-home: I'll try the plain minicom -o with the Cisco that I've got plugged into the cable now. The Sparc is an unknown at this point. Just getting no video but it came without a video card so I suspect the previous owner tweaked NVRAM to boot to console or I installed a bad video card |
| 20:07.03 | stevepent3 | For some reason i cannot mount DVD's even after installing the nessiscary librarys |
| 20:07.18 | fooz | no libraries are necessary to mount disks |
| 20:07.25 | fooz | the kernel does it directly |
| 20:07.29 | stevepent3 | this is Video |
| 20:07.33 | khaleel5000 | asg: thanks again |
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| 20:07.38 | asg | khaleel5000: you're welcome |
| 20:07.39 | jelly-home | phorce1: sparc will use the serial as console if no video card is in it. |
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| 20:08.28 | jelly-home | phorce1: that's by default. I think it can be disabled in PROM though. |
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| 20:08.28 | stevepent3 | Load up Totem and it cannot find a DVD despite a Readable Disk being in the drive |
| 20:08.28 | ribnitz | heyas.. |
| 20:08.33 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: did you disable hardware flow control etc |
| 20:08.38 | ribnitz | where do I get a pre-built 2.6.19? |
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| 20:08.52 | arrenlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.03 | jelly-home | phorce1: do you have a keyboard for the sparc, btw? |
| 20:09.04 | ice63 | i can't wget the flashplugin-nonfree what's up ? |
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| 20:09.27 | phorce1 | jelly-home: yes, knew that. But I installed a video card and still get no video. It may be a DOA machine that I'll need to troubleshoot but before I start stripping and swaping parts... |
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| 20:09.41 | phorce1 | jelly-home: yep -- KB/Mouse hooked up |
| 20:09.42 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: if it's video, why do you want to mount it? don't you just want to play it? |
| 20:09.55 | stevepent3 | I want to see if it is working jimmybgood |
| 20:09.59 | fooz | rahul, how's your bourne shell? |
| 20:10.04 | stevepent3 | it cannot even detect a disc is there |
| 20:10.10 | connect1 | . |
| 20:10.12 | rahul | zoof, executable |
| 20:10.37 | rahul | photino% ls -l $(chase /bin/sh) => -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 Dec 11 16:20 /bin/bash |
| 20:10.40 | fooz | rahul, a udev script has a function with this line: raw_find_next_available "$(find_all_rules 'SYMLINK+=' $1)" |
| 20:10.49 | jelly-home | phorce1: which sparc is it, is it a SBus video? I _think_ it might only work in one port. |
| 20:10.57 | rahul | wow |
| 20:11.04 | rahul | I don't write software in scripts. |
| 20:11.16 | rahul | I script actions in scripts. |
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| 20:11.22 | stevepent3 | anybody know why i am having this problem |
| 20:11.25 | fooz | rahul, the code calling that function passes a regexp to that function (so $1 is the regexp) |
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| 20:11.49 | bxnp | evening people |
| 20:12.02 | stevepent3 | hi |
| 20:12.04 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: well, how do you have it connected? ide, sata, scsi? and where is totem looking? |
| 20:12.04 | fooz | rahul, the shell is glob expanding it before giving it to find_all_rules though |
| 20:12.05 | bxnp | anybody know how to import a pkg archive |
| 20:12.10 | rahul | zoof: eek |
| 20:12.15 | fooz | (the regexp is also a valid glob pattern) |
| 20:12.22 | fooz | rahul, know how to solve that? |
| 20:12.29 | rahul | zoof: "$1" won't work... will it... |
| 20:12.33 | stevepent3 | Jimmybgood it is IDE and is a laptop drive |
| 20:12.37 | fooz | no, it's already quoted that way |
| 20:12.38 | stevepent3 | /dev/hdb |
| 20:12.39 | rahul | yeah |
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| 20:13.07 | rahul | that code is zooftastic. |
| 20:13.31 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: ok, perhaps totem is looking in the wrong place. try doing "ls -l /dev/dvd" on the command line |
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| 20:13.52 | phorce1 | jelly-home: PCI -- it's an Integrix RS450 AXmp machine. Currently with 2 300MHz CPUs and 2G of RAM |
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| 20:14.10 | stevepent3 | jimmybgood, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-01-20 14:31 /dev/dvd -> hdb |
| 20:14.42 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: well, that looks right. short on ideas now. |
| 20:14.48 | Techdeck_ | Hello, I apt-get'ed proftpd, it works and all, but users can see /, what is the best way to prevent users from getting out of their homedir? |
| 20:14.55 | rahul | zoof: I think you're foozed. |
| 20:14.57 | blondie | !ftp |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | i guess ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 20:14.58 | stevepent3 | Yea |
| 20:15.05 | fooz | :/ |
| 20:15.17 | rahul | or wait... |
| 20:15.31 | Techdeck_ | blondie, I agree its a little insecure, but its needed |
| 20:15.33 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: do you have a data disk, even a cd you can put in? |
| 20:15.40 | stevepent3 | I pop a CD in, it works |
| 20:16.06 | Techdeck_ | it's not an anonymous ftp though, I use the users from /etc/passwd for it |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | phorce1: A clone, nice. I only have experience with genuine Suns. |
| 20:16.28 | bxnp | !Packages.gz |
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| 20:16.39 | bxnp | ! Packages.gz |
| 20:16.43 | Techdeck_ | so, any ideas? |
| 20:16.48 | Techdeck_ | how to block each user to his home dir? |
| 20:16.50 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I have 4 Ultra1 machines and a clone Ultra2 running here on my desk. |
| 20:17.04 | madd_matt | I'm trying to set up Software RAID0 with the debian installer but it doesn't work. |
| 20:17.04 | fooz | that's a big desk |
| 20:17.05 | bxnp | what desktop are you using Techdeck_ |
| 20:17.10 | blondie | Techdeck_: it's not a *little* insecure, it's very insecure... and why can't you use sftp/scp instead? |
| 20:17.14 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: perhaps totem doesn't have the codecs it needs. is it an encrypted video? |
| 20:17.17 | Techdeck_ | bxnp, I use windows as my desktop, linux as my server |
| 20:17.19 | stevepent3 | Yes |
| 20:17.21 | rahul | zoof: \"$(echo $1)\" maybe |
| 20:17.23 | jelly-home | bxnp: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:17.25 | phorce1 | jelly-home: All running Debian as my personal servers and test boxes. |
| 20:17.25 | stevepent3 | and i installed libdvdcss libdvdetc |
| 20:17.26 | Techdeck_ | blondie, because it's for dumb customers |
| 20:17.33 | stevepent3 | libdvdxxx i mean |
| 20:17.34 | Techdeck_ | who barely know how to operate their toothbrush |
| 20:17.36 | Techdeck_ | not to mention sftp |
| 20:17.38 | fooz | rahul, echoing a glob glob-expands it |
| 20:17.40 | stevepent3 | etc is just my way of saying i installed everything |
| 20:17.47 | rahul | zoof: not if it's in quotes |
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| 20:17.51 | bxnp | oke, well i thought maby kiosk settings where something for you Techdeck_ |
| 20:17.55 | phorce1 | fooz: 4' x 8' built by me |
| 20:17.57 | blondie | Techdeck_: your loss when the box gets rooted :P |
| 20:17.58 | rahul | "If the substitution appears within double quotes, word splitting and pathname expansion are not performed on the results." |
| 20:18.04 | bxnp | but not if you run windows as a desktop |
| 20:18.06 | fooz | hmm |
| 20:18.12 | rahul | hmm, but you're still passing it to echo |
| 20:18.14 | Techdeck_ | blondie, ok, but that's not what I asked :\ |
| 20:18.31 | Techdeck_ | how can I keep each user in his homedir? |
| 20:18.37 | bxnp | anyway Jelly-home |
| 20:18.39 | stevepent3 | i am using totem-xine |
| 20:18.47 | stevepent3 | and xine is pointed to /dev/hdb |
| 20:18.50 | h3sp4wn | Techdeck_: DefaultRoot ~ |
| 20:18.58 | Techdeck_ | thank you h3sp4wn |
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| 20:19.00 | rahul | zoof: aha, sh -f ... |
| 20:19.07 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: do you have the unofficial libdvdcss2 installed? official debian cannot play encrypted videos |
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| 20:19.11 | rahul | I guess you do set -f before and set +f after? |
| 20:19.21 | stevepent3 | unoffical libdvdcss |
| 20:19.26 | fooz | that might work. thanks |
| 20:19.26 | bxnp | i have a Packages.gz file and i want to integrate it into my system, |
| 20:19.33 | biopyte | hi. what is your current recommendation for a 2D-plotting-GUI? basically 'xmgrace' would do the job for me, but its usage is terribly unintuitive. |
| 20:19.38 | rahul | zoof: rtfm next time, noob |
| 20:19.50 | rahul | zoof: "Pathname Expansion" in man bash |
| 20:19.51 | bxnp | jelly-home, the Packages.gz is from a repo |
| 20:20.13 | madd_matt | Does the software setup for RAID work at all in the debian installer? I can't get it to work. |
| 20:20.16 | h3sp4wn | Techdeck_: DefaultRoot ~ !admin (if you had a group called admin for people you wanted not chrooted) but really you should use scp |
| 20:20.17 | jelly-home | bxnp: aand, what do you want to do with it? |
| 20:20.19 | fooz | i missed that part |
| 20:20.27 | bxnp | but with apt-get update i got an error not have the right permissions to get the file Packages.gz so i grabbed it directly and downloaded it to my computer |
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| 20:21.03 | fooz | yay, that fixed it |
| 20:21.09 | fooz | now I have to figure out how to file a bug report.. |
| 20:21.12 | rahul | you zoof. |
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| 20:21.14 | bxnp | jelly-home, bij Packages.gz i mean a pkg archive |
| 20:21.25 | rahul | thank goodness I don't use udev |
| 20:21.40 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: try shutting down totem, ejecting the disk, sticking it back in and quickly firing up totem and opening the dvd |
| 20:21.41 | jelly-home | bxnp: sounds like whoever runs that repository has messed up the permissions. |
| 20:21.43 | rahul | the more I see about it, the more it looks like a ball of bad hackery |
| 20:21.44 | stevepent3 | looks like libdvdplay was not installed properly |
| 20:21.48 | stevepent3 | as in not at all |
| 20:21.49 | Techdeck_ | h3sp4wn, what does that statement mean exactly? |
| 20:21.58 | stevepent3 | Btw i am not on debian |
| 20:22.00 | Techdeck_ | h3sp4wn, I myself use scp and rsync, but it's for customers |
| 20:22.03 | stevepent3 | jimmy |
| 20:22.16 | stevepent3 | could not get my trackpad to work with debian, it is connected a odd way |
| 20:22.16 | adde | Hi just installed Debian for the first time using the 113 MB ISO (network install right?) After inst complete and i reboot i get a Kernel Panic? ANy ideas... |
| 20:22.20 | jelly-home | bxnp: can you pastebin the actual output of apt/aptitude when you get that message? |
| 20:22.22 | stevepent3 | Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 20:22.25 | bxnp | i know, and he told me so that some people run into problems, so i downloaded the file directly, but dont know how top update my sources |
| 20:22.35 | bxnp | yes i can do it overhere jelly-home |
| 20:22.40 | bxnp | its only three lines |
| 20:22.45 | h3sp4wn | Techdeck_: default root of home directory but does not apply if the user is in the second group |
| 20:22.45 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: try #ubuntu |
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| 20:22.47 | abrotman | stevepent3: have you tried #ubuntu ? |
| 20:22.56 | stevepent3 | i have, nobody honestly knows lol |
| 20:23.11 | fooz | urgh, I need working mail delivery to use that |
| 20:23.12 | stevepent3 | i want to use debian, but getting that trackpad to work is the issue |
| 20:23.20 | dagar | how about I enable gd in php4 apache2 on sarge |
| 20:23.20 | jelly-home | bxnp: uh, apt-get output is usually a bit more than 3 lines. pastebin it all. |
| 20:23.23 | abrotman | stevepent3: what do you have installed right now ? |
| 20:23.26 | dagar | I installed php4-gd and its not showing in phpinfo |
| 20:23.28 | bxnp | oke |
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| 20:23.33 | abrotman | dagar: apt-cache search php4 gd |
| 20:23.47 | dagar | I installed the php4-gd package |
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| 20:23.51 | stevepent3 | abrotman, i have Libdvdread libdvdcss libdvdplay libdvdnav |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | dagar: did you restart apache ? |
| 20:23.54 | jimmybgood | stevepent3: but, really, if I don't start my player, ogle, within seconds of inserting the disk, the decryption doesn't work |
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| 20:23.58 | Techdeck_ | h3sp4wn, nah, I prefer no one accessing / as any user |
| 20:24.00 | dagar | abrotman: ofcourse |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | stevepent3: which distro do you need help with ? |
| 20:24.02 | Techdeck_ | not even if they are in the admin group |
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| 20:24.05 | stevepent3 | ubuntu 6.10 |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | dagar: check the php.ini |
| 20:24.08 | Techdeck_ | I will access / only with root |
| 20:24.14 | Techdeck_ | or with a localuser |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | stevepent3: then please go to #ubuntu |
| 20:24.16 | adde | Here are the last msgs i get: pivot_root: no such file or directory | sbin/init : 432 cannot open dev/console: no such file |Kernel Panic... |
| 20:24.21 | abrotman | stevepent3: we don't support ubuntu .. they do |
| 20:24.32 | stevepent3 | abrotman all linux distros have DVD playback issues |
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| 20:24.48 | abrotman | stevepent3: i don't really care .. go to #ubuntu .. you want to use that distro .. you get that support |
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| 20:25.01 | jelly-home | stevepent3: could be, but the solutions are not the same. |
| 20:25.17 | rahul | there are dvd playback issues? |
| 20:25.17 | dagar | abrotman: I did, theres extension=gd.so but I don't get any gd information weather I enable that or not |
| 20:25.22 | Techdeck_ | thank you h3sp4wn |
| 20:25.23 | stevepent3 | Ok, here is something i do need help with for debian |
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| 20:25.25 | rahul | why didn't anyone tell my dvd drive? |
| 20:25.25 | Techdeck_ | bbiab |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | dagar: is it uncommented ? |
| 20:25.29 | abrotman | stevepent3: doing what ? |
| 20:25.30 | Guerin | rahul: if you buy dvds, you clearly have `issues' |
| 20:25.32 | stevepent3 | i want to use debian |
| 20:25.33 | dagar | originally |
| 20:25.38 | rahul | Guerin: why? |
| 20:25.39 | balor | Is there a savannah package for Debian? |
| 20:25.39 | Guerin | stevepent3: please do. |
| 20:25.44 | stevepent3 | I cannot get my trackpad to work |
| 20:25.49 | abrotman | dagar: it should be .. /etc/php4/apache/php.ini .. right ? |
| 20:25.55 | dagar | abrotman: correct |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | stevepent3: okay .. so install it .. then we can help |
| 20:25.59 | stevepent3 | i have ubuntu's device manager up |
| 20:26.01 | Guerin | stevepent3: most of them are supported ootb these days. |
| 20:26.12 | Guerin | stevepent3: ask #ubuntu, for fuck's sakes. |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | stevepent3: how many times can we say this .. ubuntu IS NOT debian .. if you want help with debian . install it |
| 20:26.25 | Guerin | stevepent3: if you want to install debian we will gladly help you. |
| 20:26.29 | stevepent3 | I am |
| 20:26.33 | stevepent3 | going to do debian |
| 20:26.42 | stevepent3 | Brb, going to burn the net install CD |
| 20:26.42 | Guerin | hurray! |
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| 20:26.53 | streuner | Guerin, abrotman: changelings... |
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| 20:26.53 | stevepent3 | and take laptop down to the router so i can use the other desktop and this together |
| 20:26.55 | abrotman | dagar: any errors in the log ? |
| 20:26.56 | dagar | abrotman: weird, but I've got it |
| 20:27.00 | stevepent3 | i only have 1 ethernet cable up here |
| 20:27.07 | h3sp4wn | stevepent3: try etch rc1 |
| 20:27.13 | abrotman | dagar: got it ? |
| 20:27.17 | stevepent3 | Is it a net install Image? |
| 20:27.20 | dagar | abrotman: I only have apache2 installed but both /etc/php/apache/php.ini and /etc/php/apache2/php.ini exist |
| 20:27.28 | h3sp4wn | stevepent3: there is one for etch yes |
| 20:27.28 | dagar | abrotman: the php.ini files are independent |
| 20:27.33 | stevepent3 | Ok, brb |
| 20:27.38 | abrotman | dagar: yes they are .. fix the right one |
| 20:27.46 | dagar | I had to enable gd in /etc/php/apache/php.ini for it to work in apache2 |
| 20:27.58 | SJB | i cant choose 1024x768 on kde |
| 20:28.02 | balor | Or if debian peeps don't use savannah, what sourceforge clone (with svn support) do you use? |
| 20:28.08 | bxnp | jelly-home, go to http://www.postproductie.nl/bunrningman/index.html |
| 20:28.26 | adde | please could somone sort me out? |
| 20:29.09 | dagar | abrotman: anyway thanks |
| 20:29.39 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 20:29.58 | jelly-home | bxnp: a) you're not using debian, b) maintainer of that repo has to fix his/hers permissions: Failed to fetch http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/./Packages.gz 403 Forbidden |
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| 20:30.48 | SteveGAMD | Back |
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| 20:31.14 | bxnp | you found it jelly-home you corrected my link |
| 20:31.22 | SteveG_AMD | Downloading Etch RC1, Net-Install Right now |
| 20:31.22 | capiira | hmmm anyone know how to set iceweasel as default browser? to work from everywhere? |
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| 20:31.50 | jelly-home | bxnp: your html is broken too, had to look into the source :-P |
| 20:31.55 | bxnp | lol |
| 20:31.56 | abrotman | capiira: depends by what you mean by "everywhere" |
| 20:31.56 | bxnp | ahaha |
| 20:32.07 | bxnp | ehm i know |
| 20:32.20 | capiira | right now i have problems when i click on drag and droped url saved on desktop and from inside xchat |
| 20:32.57 | SteveG_AMD | I hope etch works with my laptop, because it is a GUI installer |
| 20:33.02 | SteveG_AMD | and that the trackpad works too |
| 20:33.03 | jelly-home | bxnp: you'll have to ask the owner of that repository to fix the permissions, there's probably nothing you can do. |
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| 20:33.29 | abrotman | capiira: define .. problems |
| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | bxnp: or it could be your IP was forbidden the access for some reason |
| 20:33.54 | bxnp | no it was not, he told me that some people have problems with it |
| 20:34.20 | bxnp | so he told me to grab the Packages.gz file instead and update my local packages list |
| 20:34.30 | SteveG_AMD | jimmybgood: Wish me luck with Etch |
| 20:34.44 | bxnp | there should be a way to this from a local file |
| 20:34.45 | capiira | problem = the desktop link opens the gedit and xchat links does not open the iceweasel |
| 20:34.57 | bxnp | cause apt-get first does is grab the Packages.gz file and then extract it to somewhere |
| 20:35.04 | adde | Noone familiar with debian netinst? |
| 20:35.05 | capiira | both should open iceweasel as before with 1.5.0.7 |
| 20:35.10 | bxnp | but donnu where jelly-home |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | capiira: right click on the desktop one and choose "Open with another application" .. make whtever youw ant the default |
| 20:35.39 | jelly-home | bxnp: unpacked lists are stored in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 20:35.54 | capiira | on the link there is no open with another application |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | capiira: and under xchat .. Settings->Advanced- |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | capiira: and under xchat .. Settings->Advanced->URL Handlers |
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| 20:36.29 | capiira | yeah what to type in xchat url handlers? |
| 20:36.40 | bxnp | ah that was what i needed to now now i can extract it and just do the upgrade for the digikam packages thanks jelly-home |
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| 20:37.20 | abrotman | capiira: the command to launch iceweasel .. probably something like !iceweasel -remote 'openURL(%s)' or something ... |
| 20:37.51 | capiira | but why its not working anymore |
| 20:38.06 | abrotman | because xchat wasn't updated ? |
| 20:38.18 | abrotman | NFC really |
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| 20:38.53 | capiira | the "open link in browser" should open gnomes default browser |
| 20:38.56 | jelly-home | those things should really use x-www-browser or sensible-browser or whatnot |
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| 20:39.17 | capiira | adding this i just get a new entry |
| 20:39.19 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:39.24 | hark | capiira: if you're running gnome, you can set the default browser using Desktop->Prefs->Preferred Apps |
| 20:39.34 | capiira | i have set it |
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| 20:40.03 | hark | it's normally set to gnome-www-browser (update via update-alternatives) |
| 20:41.04 | capiira | i set that too |
| 20:41.04 | jelly-home | capiira: what about update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 20:41.04 | deadcat | i am having trouble with the prism54 driver.. what do i do? |
| 20:41.04 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.35 | capiira | gnome-www-browser = /usr/bin/iceweasel too |
| 20:42.10 | capiira | just one entry there too |
| 20:42.11 | h3sp4wn | deadcat: they are unfinished I believe (no wpa) |
| 20:42.27 | deadcat | h3sp4wn: i just need it to connect to any network... its giving us errors |
| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | capiira: My X-Chat calls sensible-browser, a script that in turn calls /usr/bin/x-www-browser if X is running |
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| 20:42.47 | deadcat | h3sp4wn: device soft reset timeout.. thats whta we get |
| 20:42.47 | capiira | and preferred browser = gnome-www-browser %s |
| 20:42.48 | SteveG_AMD | sorry about that ubuntu business jelly-home |
| 20:42.54 | hark | then it's an xchat override |
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| 20:43.02 | capiira | hmmmm whats that sensible browser? |
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| 20:43.33 | capiira | /usr/bin/x-www-browser opens iceweasel |
| 20:43.37 | h3sp4wn | deadcat: I have never used one (was thinking of getting one when I found out the above) cannot help you further sorry |
| 20:43.54 | jelly-home | capiira: have you taken a look at XChat's URL handlers? |
| 20:43.55 | capiira | gnome-www-browser opens iceweasel too |
| 20:44.01 | capiira | its empty |
| 20:44.05 | capiira | nothing there |
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| 20:44.12 | jelly-home | hmm, that's strange. |
| 20:44.21 | steven__ | hey, where do i have to go in debian to stop things from startup? thanks |
| 20:44.26 | capiira | and..... |
| 20:44.44 | asg | steven_: update-rc.d |
| 20:45.02 | capiira | if you drag a address from iceweasel address bar to your desktop then gnome create a link |
| 20:45.05 | enouf | capiira: look at the symlinks |
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| 20:45.41 | capiira | that link should open iceweasel but its opening gedit with the content of the linked html site |
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| 20:45.58 | bxnp | lol jelly-home, well i give up cant extract the Packages.gz file i get an error |
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| 20:46.20 | enouf | ls -al /usr/bin/x-www-browser .. and use update-alternatives --config |
| 20:46.22 | jelly-home | bxnp: use Debian! <g> |
| 20:46.32 | capiira | hmm let me check |
| 20:47.00 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-05-01 05:05 /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 20:47.01 | capiira | /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 20:47.14 | capiira | yeah i get the same |
| 20:47.22 | bxnp | lol, i did, but when i got this lappy, the only cd's i had where kubuntu and archlinux |
| 20:47.25 | belkin | what do i need to put together some vob files ? |
| 20:47.27 | bxnp | on my desktop i have debian |
| 20:47.36 | bxnp | but i work more on my lappy lately |
| 20:47.37 | enouf | use update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choose the one you want |
| 20:48.03 | enouf | I bet that -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is ALSO a symlink |
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| 20:48.26 | capiira | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser (/usr/bin/iceweasel). Nothing to configure. |
| 20:48.33 | capiira | thats what i get |
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| 20:48.59 | hark | Gnome does not necessarily follow that alternative. |
| 20:49.01 | enouf | For ex; lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2006-11-04 15:58 /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 20:49.17 | capiira | let me check |
| 20:49.20 | hark | capiira: what's the mime type of the link on the desktop? |
| 20:49.31 | jelly-home | capiira: do you have ~/.xchat2/urlhandlers.conf ? |
| 20:49.35 | capiira | application/x-desktop |
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| 20:50.00 | capiira | yeah i have |
| 20:50.11 | capiira | empty one |
| 20:50.24 | aFlag | hi, is there a easy way of selecting packages and making a debian live cd including those selected packages? |
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| 20:50.39 | hark | just use irssi! |
| 20:50.46 | capiira | nah |
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| 20:50.55 | capiira | was working before with firefox |
| 20:51.18 | enouf | aFlag: not really .. you want to preseed and use a livecd .. check out grml.org and /msg dpkg livecd |
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| 20:51.45 | karsten | aFlag: There are a few "build a CD image" tools/packages in Debian. Search. |
| 20:51.55 | sam_uk | aflag ; not 100% debian but this might work for you http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/saiba-tutor.html |
| 20:52.06 | aFlag | thanks |
| 20:52.14 | capiira | enouf: the gnome-www-browser is a symlink to /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |
| 20:52.32 | enouf | if you don't like it .. change it |
| 20:52.47 | capiira | and /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel does not exist |
| 20:52.50 | hark | /usr/bin/iceweasel? |
| 20:53.01 | capiira | double whooper in the dir name |
| 20:53.22 | capiira | ahh no |
| 20:53.24 | capiira | its ok |
| 20:53.32 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:53.42 | capiira | points to that dir hark |
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| 20:54.08 | capiira | and there is a iceweasel shellscript |
| 20:54.08 | belkin | ls there any gui package to be able to convert some vob file to divx? |
| 20:54.12 | Caco_Patane | how do i go to the config screen again |
| 20:54.20 | Caco_Patane | when i've installed a program via apt-get |
| 20:54.33 | capiira | :/ |
| 20:54.39 | rahul | belkin: you need a gui for that? |
| 20:54.43 | blondie | Caco_Patane: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:54.45 | hark | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:54.47 | Caco_Patane | (my /etc/init.d/mysql was destroyed -by me- and i would like the original one again) |
| 20:55.02 | rahul | belkin: ok, fine. xterm -e "mencoder..." |
| 20:55.08 | capiira | where can i assign gnome mime to apps ? |
| 20:55.20 | belkin | rahul if i know how to use in console then not |
| 20:55.21 | capiira | maybe there is the problem |
| 20:55.24 | Caco_Patane | thanks hark |
| 20:55.25 | Caco_Patane | mmm |
| 20:55.28 | belkin | rahul what would be the best one ? |
| 20:55.34 | Caco_Patane | but it did't build me a new |
| 20:55.41 | rahul | belkin: mencoder is the usual one |
| 20:55.41 | Caco_Patane | /etc/init.d/mysql file |
| 20:55.46 | hark | capiira: seems like xchat has its own preferences for opening links |
| 20:55.47 | sam_uk | i'm using 64studio which is only about 90% debian with realtime kernel and some additional audio packages so feel free to ignore me.. but could any one suggest a way forward out of this mess: http://www.pastebin.ca/320385 i cant use apt at all... |
| 20:56.04 | capiira | yeah what is with the desktop link |
| 20:56.13 | belkin | rahul heh and who will tell me how to add some vob file to divx :) |
| 20:56.24 | rahul | belkin: man mencoder. |
| 20:56.26 | capiira | have nothing to do with xchat and also stoped working |
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| 20:56.34 | rahul | belkin: -ovc, etc. |
| 20:56.35 | hark | capiira: what browser does the desktop link open in? |
| 20:56.43 | capiira | gedit :) |
| 20:56.50 | capiira | thats the second problem |
| 20:56.51 | capiira | hehe |
| 20:57.01 | belkin | rahul nice one thanks |
| 20:57.04 | hark | then it's not a browser issue. |
| 20:57.04 | belkin | :) |
| 20:57.19 | capiira | it opens the html source inside the gedit |
| 20:57.36 | Caco_Patane | can somebody give me his /etc/init.d/mysql file into a pastebin? |
| 20:57.42 | capiira | and there is no open with if i rightclick it |
| 20:57.55 | asg | Caco_Patane: what happened to yours? |
| 20:58.05 | hark | properties-->Open With |
| 20:58.09 | asg | Caco_Patane: you could always download the package and extract it |
| 20:58.10 | Caco_Patane | i've modified and it crashed |
| 20:58.13 | Caco_Patane | and now i've deleted |
| 20:58.23 | asg | Caco_Patane: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:58.24 | Caco_Patane | and can't apt-get it again |
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| 20:58.54 | capiira | hark: not there! |
| 20:59.03 | Caco_Patane | ??? |
| 20:59.25 | asg | !tell Caco_Patane about confmiss |
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| 20:59.43 | capiira | just Basic/Emblems/Permission/Notes/Link |
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| 21:00.15 | kennell | Hi all; http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ <- do i really have to Download ALL CD Images!? |
| 21:00.27 | eitan | Can anyone here suggest a irc channel to get help with the java rte in firefox in debian 3.1? |
| 21:00.32 | capiira | looks like iceweasel killed gnome |
| 21:00.47 | capiira | :/ |
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| 21:01.17 | capiira | where is gnomes mime config file? |
| 21:01.23 | Caco_Patane | it didn't work out =/ |
| 21:01.33 | Caco_Patane | can somebody paste the file in a pastebin? |
| 21:01.37 | capiira | maybe its set to something else there |
| 21:01.47 | capiira | or gnome is still looking for firefox |
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| 21:02.20 | steven__ | can someone give me a link to installing mplayer (with gui + getting it to work with firefox) please? |
| 21:02.39 | Caco_Patane | now is going, i stoped mysql (ouch) |
| 21:02.41 | sam_uk | eitan server; sand.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 21:03.14 | eitan | sam_uk: I just came from irc.mozilla.org #firefox. No one there either had the ability or willingness to help. |
| 21:03.28 | Guerin | steven__: what branch of debian? |
| 21:03.42 | steven__ | Uh sarge |
| 21:03.57 | Guerin | steven__: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:04.14 | steven__ | :S? |
| 21:04.39 | steven__ | thank u |
| 21:04.52 | hark | steven__: aptitude install mplayer mozilla-mplayer |
| 21:04.58 | eitan | Can anyone suggest an irc channel other than irc.mozilla.org #firefox to getting help with java in firefox in debian? |
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| 21:05.12 | steven__ | ..win32codecs? |
| 21:05.22 | hark | oh wait... sarge |
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| 21:05.28 | steven__ | ya... |
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| 21:05.43 | Guerin | eitan: here. |
| 21:05.51 | Guerin | eitan: /msg dpkg java |
| 21:05.59 | eitan | Guerin: ok... that would be great if you could help |
| 21:06.04 | Guerin | eitan: but don't ask me, because I don't use it. |
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| 21:06.29 | steven__ | hark wat i do |
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| 21:06.45 | Guerin | steven__: is that near Angkor Wat? |
| 21:06.50 | Guerin | i've been there, it's awesome |
| 21:06.54 | Guerin | but watch out for the landmines |
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| 21:07.04 | steven__ | Guerin, ...stop flodding.. |
| 21:07.13 | Guerin | steven__: start speling. |
| 21:07.25 | steven__ | no |
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| 21:07.41 | hark | !tell steven__ about marillat.sarge |
| 21:07.43 | Guerin | there you go, you're on your way |
| 21:07.48 | Guerin | now try a 3-letter word |
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| 21:08.12 | steven__ | thank u |
| 21:08.17 | Guerin | tsk, backsliding |
| 21:09.21 | steven__ | Guerin, huh? |
| 21:09.45 | hark | and it's w32codecs btw.. |
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| 21:10.16 | steven__ | so i do THIS : apt-get install mplayer w32codec and (what's the thing to make it work with firefox)? |
| 21:10.44 | steven__ | broken packages :( |
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| 21:12.03 | steven__ | http://pastebin.ca/322883 |
| 21:12.23 | bxnp | is there program wich let me do ftp to ftp file transfer |
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| 21:12.33 | asg | bxnp: ftp(1) |
| 21:13.11 | bxnp | yes asg |
| 21:13.13 | bxnp | ?? |
| 21:13.30 | Guerin | bxnp: yes. |
| 21:13.44 | enouf | RIF |
| 21:13.48 | steven__ | RIF? |
| 21:13.48 | bxnp | wich program Guerin |
| 21:13.57 | Guerin | bxnp: ftp(1). |
| 21:14.00 | SteveG_AMD | Back |
| 21:14.14 | enouf | hint: has similar properties to rtfm |
| 21:14.16 | bxnp | could you be less cryptic |
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| 21:14.22 | steven__ | SteveG_AMD, http://pastebin.ca/322883 |
| 21:14.27 | steven__ | why happens? |
| 21:14.33 | asg | bxnp: the ftp package |
| 21:14.37 | Guerin | bxnp: how much less cryptic can we be than giving you the ACTUAL AND COMPLETE FUCKING NAME of the program? |
| 21:14.47 | enouf | haha |
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| 21:14.47 | asg | Guerin: and manpage section |
| 21:14.55 | steven__ | Guerin, langauge man jeesh |
| 21:15.05 | Guerin | steven__: english, motherfucker, do you speak it? |
| 21:15.16 | steven__ | im pretty sure swearing isn't a good thing =) |
| 21:15.19 | bxnp | lol, i meant a program with a gui |
| 21:15.25 | bxnp | sorry for the confusion |
| 21:15.25 | zcram | filezilla? |
| 21:15.28 | asg | bxnp: xterm -e ftp |
| 21:15.35 | zcram | gftp |
| 21:15.36 | asg | bxnp: or, if you insist, gftp |
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| 21:15.47 | enouf | !tell bxnp 0about search |
| 21:15.52 | enouf | !tell bxnp -about search |
| 21:15.53 | asg | steven__: swearing is completely a good thing at certain times; this is one of them |
| 21:16.07 | steven__ | k |
| 21:16.13 | zcram | n |
| 21:16.26 | steven__ | apt-get is being a bitch =) |
| 21:16.50 | jelly-home | bxnp: you still running kubuntu? |
| 21:16.50 | ekkikrist | Don't say bitch! |
| 21:16.51 | steven__ | HAHAH |
| 21:17.01 | adde | steven: actually he wasnt swearing.. it was a statement :P |
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| 21:17.08 | bxnp | lol, yes jelly-home |
| 21:17.21 | bxnp | but this is for my desktop system wich runs debian |
| 21:17.24 | steven__ | HOW do i fix it :( |
| 21:17.26 | steven__ | http://pastebin.ca/322883 |
| 21:17.27 | hark | steven__: I guess you've added the debian-multimedia repository for etch instead. |
| 21:17.47 | steven__ | thank ya |
| 21:17.52 | hark | paste your sources.list as well |
| 21:17.59 | steven__ | okie |
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| 21:18.27 | steven__ | http://pastebin.ca/322889 |
| 21:18.57 | hark | wtf.. |
| 21:19.00 | steven__ | i kno |
| 21:19.06 | asg | hark: sources salad |
| 21:19.10 | enouf | oh boy |
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| 21:19.12 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.18 | enouf | enchaladas |
| 21:19.19 | steven__ | did i do bad thing? |
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| 21:19.32 | Guerin | steven__: you didn't follow instructions. |
| 21:19.38 | steven__ | oh when? |
| 21:19.42 | enouf | ofcourse not |
| 21:19.46 | hark | remove the sid and testing repositories! |
| 21:19.50 | enouf | heh |
| 21:19.50 | steven__ | ok |
| 21:19.51 | deadcat | i am having trouble getting the netgear wg511 (prism54) to work.. what am i missing? |
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| 21:20.02 | deadcat | how do i know which firmware to use? |
| 21:20.20 | steven__ | ok i did |
| 21:20.21 | Guerin | deadcat: #wireless |
| 21:20.27 | abrotman | deadcat: ask #prism54 |
| 21:20.32 | deadcat | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:20.43 | steven__ | that fixed it :) |
| 21:21.14 | steven__ | is it mozplugger i need? |
| 21:21.34 | magnus__ | I'm running sid and I notice dist-upgrade will remove a lot of gnome programs. Is debian moving away from gnome? |
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| 21:22.01 | steven__ | magnus, is it? |
| 21:22.12 | asg | magnus__: no, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:22.35 | magnus__ | asg: oki, thanks |
| 21:23.13 | steven__ | SIMPLE PLAN |
| 21:24.36 | capiira | :/ shit iceweasel |
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| 21:25.31 | capiira | hrrrr does exist anything else where default apps are set? |
| 21:25.59 | capiira | update-alternative and that gnome preferred apps |
| 21:26.58 | steven__ | Hi another question - instaled firefox 2.0 - i install mozplugger how i tell mozplugger firefox is not in regular place? |
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| 21:27.25 | abrotman | why are you using debian? |
| 21:27.31 | capiira | me? |
| 21:27.35 | abrotman | no .. |
| 21:27.43 | dvs | me? |
| 21:27.49 | capiira | hehe |
| 21:27.49 | steven__ | no. |
| 21:27.56 | belkin | any help converting vob file to avi please ? |
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| 21:28.25 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a way to forbid my nm-applet to connect a certain WAP? |
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| 21:28.44 | magyar | i have an md aray in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but when i try to assemble it it shows "mdadm: /dev/sda8 not identified in config file." can anyone help? |
| 21:28.53 | TGPO | belkin, why is it in vob? use dvdrip to convert |
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| 21:29.14 | belkin | TGPO my porno videotape :) |
| 21:29.35 | belkin | TGPO i have a mini dvd which i use for my video camera |
| 21:29.37 | fbsduser | Im installed debian on my tablet pc (Tecra M4) using the netinst 3.1 r4 (linux26). But it doesnt support my network card (Marvell Yukon Gigabit), in order tu support it I need to load the module sky2. But I cant rebuild the kernel cause netinst doesnt even installs GCC. |
| 21:30.06 | fbsduser | what should I do? boot knoppix and use knoppix install? :\ |
| 21:30.09 | belkin | TGPO now its full and i would like all this little vob files which are 17 to put them all together and convert them to avi |
| 21:30.15 | TGPO | dvdrip will do it, you just have to point the source dir to where the vob files are |
| 21:30.28 | dvs | fbsduser: skge |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | MrKeuner: is there more than one with the same ESSID ? |
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| 21:31.07 | fbsduser | dvs: ? |
| 21:31.12 | abrotman | !tell fbsduser about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:31.20 | belkin | TGPO ok thanks |
| 21:31.21 | MrKeuner | abrotman: no all with seperate essids |
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| 21:31.38 | abrotman | MrKeuner: then uh .. choose one and always use it ? |
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| 21:31.51 | fbsduser | Im running sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 21:31.54 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 21:32.05 | blondie | HELLO! |
| 21:32.10 | Ramattack | I'm using mysql-server debian sarge package |
| 21:32.22 | MrKeuner | abrotman: my home's essid does not change nor its WEP password, however sometimes nm-aplet chooses not to connect it and connect neighbor's essid |
| 21:32.27 | Ramattack | sometimes I get aborted clients and I'm using my-medium config file |
| 21:32.31 | MrKeuner | abrotman: i cannot see why that happens |
| 21:32.35 | Ramattack | is this normal? |
| 21:32.58 | bxnp | MrKeuner, are you using wpa |
| 21:33.20 | MrKeuner | bxnp: not sure why |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | MrKeuner: right .. i had the same issue .. is this with gnome ? |
| 21:33.37 | bxnp | i mean is your local network encrypted with wpa |
| 21:33.42 | MrKeuner | abrotman: right |
| 21:34.02 | abrotman | MrKeuner: i just picked the right ESSID in the NM .. end of story (it's also in my interfaces file) |
| 21:34.18 | tuxedup | I upgraded to the latest dektop-base package, and now I cannot change the kdm theme. When I change it and restrt kdm its still the same. |
| 21:34.28 | MrKeuner | bxnp: WEP it is |
| 21:35.18 | MrKeuner | abrotman: first of all, when I first boot into my system, without doing anything else I cannot see my essid in the list when you click on nm-applet |
| 21:35.23 | bxnp | oke MrKeuner change the priority in your config |
| 21:35.34 | bxnp | so it will always first connect to you ap |
| 21:35.36 | MrKeuner | abrotman: if I do a iwlist scan then I see if I remember correctly |
| 21:35.52 | MrKeuner | abrotman: If I choose it then it connects fine |
| 21:36.02 | bxnp | if you dont use priority it somethimes connect to a different ap |
| 21:36.12 | MrKeuner | abrotman: however I would like it to connect the same essid whenever it finds it |
| 21:36.33 | MrKeuner | bxnp: How do I set priority in nm-applet? |
| 21:36.55 | bxnp | not in the applet, the applet is just an frond end for the config files |
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| 21:37.07 | abrotman | MrKeuner: that's a bit odd .. i just put it in the interfaces file .. haven't had an issue since |
| 21:37.26 | MrKeuner | bxnp: which one is the config file for WAP priority? |
| 21:37.49 | bxnp | what would be /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:38.10 | bxnp | that is for wpa and for web give me a second |
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| 21:39.15 | bxnp | use the packages wpa_supplicant wich allso lets you connect trough wep |
| 21:39.46 | capiira | ok i fixed the xchat problem |
| 21:40.00 | capiira | now i just need to fic the desktop mime for x-desktop one |
| 21:40.03 | capiira | fix |
| 21:40.06 | bxnp | dont know if this is any help, but my configuration is this it first alway conects to my home ap then looks for my works wpa enabled ap and then looks for non encrypted networks |
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| 21:40.23 | bxnp | take a look at wpa_supplicant it might be your answer |
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| 21:41.31 | MrKeuner | bxnp: OK thanks. I can switch to wpa in fact, however in my /etc/wpa_supp* directory there is only one file ifupdown.sh is that correct? |
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| 21:41.54 | MrKeuner | bxnp: wpa_supplicant is installed |
| 21:42.07 | bxnp | oke wait take a look at this link |
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| 21:42.55 | bxnp | its for gentoo MrKeuner but it works the same http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=4 |
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| 21:43.22 | MrKeuner | bxnp: great I'll read that thanks |
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| 21:44.02 | abrotman | capiira: you don't have an option to pick another app when you right click on the item ? |
| 21:44.02 | bxnp | yes if you need anymore help just give me a call overhere |
| 21:44.11 | capiira | nope :/ |
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| 21:44.27 | bxnp | i think i will stay overhere on this nice channel, although i running kubuntu on my lappy, we are all related is it not :) |
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| 21:44.40 | capiira | the link have a blue globe with a yellow arrow on the top |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | kubuntu IS NOT debian |
| 21:44.54 | versuchsanstalt | where or how do i configure the directories being created in /media/ ? |
| 21:45.00 | capiira | i mean the icon of the link |
| 21:45.02 | bxnp | use the man wpa_supplicant wich is one off the best man pages around :) |
| 21:45.07 | abrotman | capiira: oh .. not a web page as in HTML .. it's a shortcut ? |
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| 21:45.14 | capiira | yeah |
| 21:45.18 | dvs | bxnp: kubuntu is a bastard step child |
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| 21:45.26 | abrotman | i don't have any of those :) |
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| 21:45.35 | evan_ | hey how can i see wich comport i use? |
| 21:45.41 | capiira | i draged the address from iceweasel addressbar to the desktop |
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| 21:45.54 | bxnp | lol yes, but even step childs grow up, and ultimut live longer then the parents |
| 21:46.03 | hark | capiira: what does xdg-open google.com open in? |
| 21:46.10 | SteveG_AMD | Install is going good, downloading software now |
| 21:46.14 | bxnp | in most cases ahahah dvs |
| 21:46.15 | dvs | bxnp: not if they have a fatal disease |
| 21:46.21 | dvs | :-P |
| 21:46.23 | bxnp | ahahah, |
| 21:46.26 | abrotman | capiira: let me see .. |
| 21:46.26 | charzero | bxnp: And not if the parents neglect them. |
| 21:46.32 | capiira | in iceweasel |
| 21:47.08 | bxnp | there are always foster parents who raise the child into a fine and succesfull human :) |
| 21:47.15 | capiira | but the url shortcuts open in gedit :/ |
| 21:47.24 | hark | capiira: and sensible-browser google.com? |
| 21:47.47 | capiira | iceweasel too |
| 21:48.31 | capiira | and btw. its not a user profile issue because the same happens if i create a fresh user account and try there |
| 21:48.48 | capiira | the xchat one was one |
| 21:48.52 | hark | capiira: and finally gnome-open google.com |
| 21:49.13 | capiira | i deleted .xchat2 and then it started working |
| 21:49.15 | abrotman | capiira: mine uses /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 21:49.16 | capiira | let me see moment |
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| 21:49.31 | versuchsanstalt | how can i permanently add a directory to /media/ ? |
| 21:49.42 | Guerin | versuchsanstalt: help mkdir |
| 21:49.52 | steven__ | can someone guide me on how to isntall mplayer with gui? |
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| 21:50.04 | sid | steven__: apt-get install gmplayer |
| 21:50.06 | capiira | hark it opens iceweasel |
| 21:50.13 | steven__ | not found |
| 21:50.16 | abrotman | capiira: all fixed ? |
| 21:50.20 | capiira | nah |
| 21:50.34 | ofer0 | steven__, just run "gmplayer" |
| 21:50.34 | versuchsanstalt | Guerin: ...wont tell me why it'll disappear with the next reboot. |
| 21:50.39 | capiira | desktop shortcut still opens the linked side source inside gedit |
| 21:50.40 | steven__ | doesn't work |
| 21:50.45 | ofer0 | steven__, after you have installed mplayer-686 or whatever. |
| 21:50.48 | steven__ | i just get a console bassed 1 agian |
| 21:50.59 | garotosopa | hi. where should some scripts reside for better organizing? /var ? |
| 21:51.17 | hark | capiira: and no specific url handler in xchat? |
| 21:51.36 | streuner | sid: gmplayer is a just a symlink :-P |
| 21:51.42 | SteveG_AMD | +1721? |
| 21:51.44 | capiira | now i have a opera handler |
| 21:51.44 | abrotman | capiira: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 21:51.46 | SteveG_AMD | Just curious |
| 21:51.57 | sid | streuner: ahh, I must have been misinformed |
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| 21:52.06 | hark | capiira: the desktop link thing might be a bug. Try #gnome-debian anyway |
| 21:52.06 | capiira | but iceweasel is working from xchat |
| 21:52.19 | abrotman | capiira: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
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| 21:52.25 | capiira | yep |
| 21:52.28 | capiira | doing |
| 21:52.43 | capiira | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-01-20 21:30 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 21:52.44 | ofer0 | garotosopa, what do you mean? |
| 21:53.06 | abrotman | capiira: just give up and use lynx! |
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| 21:53.26 | hark | capiira: so the xchat links open fine now? |
| 21:53.35 | capiira | yep |
| 21:53.38 | abrotman | just not gnome links |
| 21:53.40 | magyar | i unmounted a partition but i can't fsck it "fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb8" |
| 21:53.42 | capiira | yeah |
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| 21:54.01 | Guerin | versuchsanstalt: mine doesn't. |
| 21:54.09 | bxnp | magyar, do lsof /dev/sdb8 and see wich proces is using it |
| 21:54.15 | capiira | maybe is has something to do with priority |
| 21:54.21 | hark | capiira: more specifically the desktop gnome links right? |
| 21:54.27 | teledyn | i have a hypothesis, that all the "system bell" bug reports by people claiming the system bell doesn't work, are actually made by microsoft spies |
| 21:54.43 | garotosopa | ofer0, I have some scripts I coded in bash/php that run as their specic user and so... where should they be? I mean "officially". does it matter? I don't plan to package nor distribute them tho. is it fine to have them in /home/myscript1 /home/script1 ? |
| 21:54.50 | magyar | bxnp: no proces |
| 21:55.03 | bxnp | no proces ehm |
| 21:55.06 | ofer0 | garotosopa, /usr/local/sbin/ or /usr/local/bin |
| 21:55.07 | garotosopa | i'm just trying to organize things |
| 21:55.11 | magyar | process |
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| 21:55.29 | capiira | hark: it's the link that gnome creates when you drag and drop a url/address from iceweasel addressbar to the desktop. |
| 21:55.30 | garotosopa | ofer0, what about their data? /var/lib ? |
| 21:55.46 | ofer0 | garotosopa, /var/cache |
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| 21:56.04 | bxnp | strange magyar |
| 21:56.32 | magyar | bxnp: yeap |
| 21:56.34 | ofer0 | garotosopa, if that's cache you mean.. if that's static stuff, just use /usr/local/lib |
| 21:56.35 | garotosopa | even for real data, ofer0? like the directory pgdata from postgres |
| 21:56.45 | garotosopa | ahh ok |
| 21:56.56 | hark | capiira: yeah, well try #gnome-debian on gimpnet or even ##gnome here |
| 21:57.03 | capiira | let me set an higher priority number to update-alternatives |
| 21:57.24 | garotosopa | ofer0, what if they're many files? would be /opt more appropriated? |
| 21:57.27 | hark | that should not work |
| 21:57.33 | capiira | hmmm |
| 21:57.37 | garotosopa | ofer0, I mean for keeping those files together |
| 21:58.00 | ofer0 | garotosopa, yeah, you can put it there if you'd like to. |
| 21:58.07 | capiira | let me check with gconf |
| 21:58.18 | belkin | how do i tell acidrip to convert all the file into one single avi file not each vob to each avi , any idea ? |
| 21:58.31 | ofer0 | garotosopa, but don't use /opt for stuff you wrote yourself. |
| 21:58.57 | garotosopa | ofer0, humm taht would be the case. and they are not debian package... |
| 21:59.15 | ofer0 | garotosopa, /opt is for packages that isn't supported by the distribution. for example, if you plan compiling mplayer yourself, put it in /opt. if you're using beta software, put it in /opt. |
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| 21:59.43 | steven__ | hey -- mplayer --gui won't work says i needa remove gui=yes from config file but config files are empty how do i fix? |
| 22:00.32 | ofer0 | garotosopa, it is not encouraged to use /opt for stuff you wrote yourself. |
| 22:00.46 | ofer0 | garotosopa, /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin is the appropriate place. |
| 22:01.39 | garotosopa | ofer0, I just didn't want to spread some sutff around /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib /var and stuff... I wished the whole thing to be together... it's easier to mantain... and there are no libs that could be reused by other programs :S |
| 22:01.49 | enouf | capiira: go into /usr/bin/gnome-control-center and fix your file associations and mime types .. other than that, good luck, I don't use gnome |
| 22:02.21 | capiira | :) |
| 22:02.25 | capiira | let me see |
| 22:02.34 | ofer0 | garotosopa, that's why you don't use PHP and Bash for stuff like that. for real scripts, use Perl or whatever. |
| 22:03.10 | capiira | nothing about mime there |
| 22:03.14 | ofer0 | Python maybe. |
| 22:03.15 | garotosopa | ofer0, do most people use to keep everything in a single file in Perl? |
| 22:03.30 | ofer0 | garotosopa, of course not. they use modules |
| 22:03.56 | x_link | Hrmmm |
| 22:03.59 | x_link | This is REALLY strange. |
| 22:04.00 | garotosopa | ofer0, and do those modules placed in /usr/local/lib ? |
| 22:04.05 | ofer0 | garotosopa, but using Perl, you can change the whole structure of your filesystem modifying 1 line: use lib "/usr/local/lib/MyClass" |
| 22:04.09 | abrotman | capiira: have you tried asking #gnome on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 22:04.11 | x_link | Why can't I see the files/pictures I save on my desktop? |
| 22:04.17 | x_link | They are there, but I can't see them. |
| 22:04.18 | capiira | not yet |
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| 22:04.23 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/322937 |
| 22:04.37 | capiira | i think they will say to to #debian |
| 22:04.41 | x_link | I can't see that Beryl-SVN.jpg file on my Desktop, but it's there. |
| 22:04.41 | enouf | capiira: locate mime |
| 22:04.47 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with this? |
| 22:04.47 | capiira | becuase it was working before the iceweasel update |
| 22:04.51 | x_link | enouf: Hi man! |
| 22:04.59 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma |
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| 22:05.15 | x_link | enouf: Could you maybe help me mate? |
| 22:05.19 | ofer0 | garotosopa, when you use a tool that doesn't fit the particular task, you will always encounter problems. when you need a shovel, don't use a spoon. |
| 22:05.30 | enouf | trying x_link |
| 22:05.46 | enouf | x_link: using gnome/kde? |
| 22:05.47 | garotosopa | x_link, couldn't be the case you've disabled the Show icons on Desktop option in kde? |
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| 22:05.52 | x_link | enouf: KDE |
| 22:05.58 | capiira | thx enough |
| 22:06.04 | x_link | garotosopa: I just looked, It's enabled. |
| 22:06.07 | capiira | ups lol |
| 22:06.12 | capiira | thx enouf |
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| 22:06.52 | garotosopa | x_link, ps x | grep kdesktop // it crashes often here... if it's not there, kdesktop & might solve the problem |
| 22:07.18 | x_link | garotosopa: Should I do that command now? |
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| 22:07.26 | Bbt_ | hi |
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| 22:07.45 | garotosopa | x_link, try ps x | grep kdesktop and see if the proccess is running |
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| 22:08.30 | x_link | garotosopa: Ok |
| 22:08.39 | x_link | garotosopa: As root? |
| 22:08.42 | enouf | x_link: go k control center and go through the various settings for kde components >> File Manager >> Preview MetaData .. or you have another beryl issue as you had earlier |
| 22:08.53 | garotosopa | x_link, as the user oyou're currently running |
| 22:08.58 | x_link | ok |
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| 22:09.37 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/322954 |
| 22:09.40 | NeoGeo64 | help how do i activate debian |
| 22:09.40 | x_link | garotosopa: There you go. |
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| 22:10.08 | agent | NeoGeo64: you are going to have to be more specific with that question :) |
| 22:10.10 | HymnToLife | NeoGeo64, define "activate" |
| 22:10.12 | dvs | NeoGeo64: type in a 1008 letter code |
| 22:10.13 | garotosopa | x_link, that's fine. so I don't know why you don't see any icons... have tried refresh desktop? (right click) |
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| 22:10.32 | HymnToLife | it's not like you have an activation key yo enter, like in some other OS :p |
| 22:10.42 | x_link | enouf: What should I do there ? |
| 22:10.43 | abrotman | NeoGeo64: please stop trolling |
| 22:10.44 | HymnToLife | to* |
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| 22:10.53 | x_link | garotosopa: Yeah. |
| 22:10.58 | NeoGeo64 | my debian didnt come with a serial key how do i crack it |
| 22:10.59 | garotosopa | no?! that fat guy said I had to pay him a license :| |
| 22:11.02 | x_link | enouf: I'm where you told me to go. |
| 22:11.13 | x_link | garotosopa: This is really weird. |
| 22:11.15 | abrotman | NeoGeo64: please stop trolling .. go back to #gentoo |
| 22:11.20 | x_link | maybe a reboot would help |
| 22:11.23 | agent | :( |
| 22:11.43 | x_link | NeoGeo64: Serial key? |
| 22:11.50 | abrotman | x_link: stop .. he's a troll |
| 22:11.56 | x_link | Ahh ok. |
| 22:11.56 | NeoGeo64 | no i am not |
| 22:11.59 | garotosopa | x_link, is it a big deal now? just browse the files through konqueror and forget the desktop until you really have to reboot ;P |
| 22:12.16 | x_link | garotosopa: I want everything to work like it should =) |
| 22:12.23 | agent | abrotman: now now, no need to be negative towards gentoo :) |
| 22:12.25 | x_link | Thanks alot for the help anyway |
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| 22:13.11 | NeoGeo64 | can i use wine to use internet explorer |
| 22:13.13 | agent | hrm, x_link could have just pkill'ed his dekstop manager no need to reboot :) |
| 22:13.20 | abrotman | NeoGeo64: last chance .. go troll elsewhere |
| 22:13.39 | NeoGeo64 | abrotman, do u Know how to install LFS on a SNes? |
| 22:13.48 | NeoGeo64 | :) |
| 22:13.49 | abrotman | !ops NeoGeo64 is trolling the channel |
| 22:13.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: NeoGeo64 is trolling the channel |
| 22:14.10 | NeoGeo64 | :( |
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| 22:14.17 | NeoGeo64 | u r rude |
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| 22:14.43 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
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| 22:15.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.00 | x_link | garotosopa: Rebooting KDE helped =) |
| 22:16.07 | x_link | Now I see the files on my Desktop. |
| 22:16.10 | garotosopa | \o/ |
| 22:16.26 | abrotman | you're missing a verb |
| 22:16.30 | enouf | x_link: hehe .. i was going to say .. perhaps they were on Desktop #4 instead of #1 |
| 22:16.44 | x_link | enouf: hehe =) |
| 22:16.54 | enouf | x_link: it's very possible .. |
| 22:17.04 | x_link | enouf: I have got a LITTLE LITTLE better with Debian now. =) |
| 22:17.13 | x_link | I feel pretty comfortable now and so on. |
| 22:17.28 | capiira | brb |
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| 22:17.41 | x_link | I'm not saying that I don't have problems anymore, I do. But I do alot more myself now and it feels really GOOD =) |
| 22:17.49 | enouf | x_link: kde (and others) can and do ahve multiple desktops .. (or whatever they call them) .. usually default setup is 4 separate |
| 22:17.59 | x_link | I know |
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| 22:18.52 | abrotman | !bash enouf |
| 22:18.59 | enouf | hah! |
| 22:19.09 | enouf | !break abrotman |
| 22:19.16 | agent | x_link: next time, you do not have to reboot to restart kde, let alone the application that controls your desktop (konqueror perhaps?)... just restart the application needed (pkill appname to kill it, then restart it via run or terminal) |
| 22:19.40 | x_link | agent: I just rebooted KDE, not the computer. |
| 22:19.57 | x_link | agent: Okey. |
| 22:20.01 | agent | :) |
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| 22:21.23 | enouf | someone needs to make a reboot factoid .. and I know just the person to do it .. |
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| 22:22.15 | belkin | abrotman any idea how do i put some avi file together to make one ? |
| 22:22.20 | abrotman | no |
| 22:22.36 | sid | belkin: put an avi file together from what? |
| 22:23.11 | rhalff_ | what should I do with a * Mount point '/dev/shm' does not exist. |
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| 22:23.20 | belkin | sid what do you mean from what ? i have some little avi file .. and i want to create one single avi with all those |
| 22:23.25 | rhalff_ | during bootup |
| 22:23.53 | sid | belkin: You have a little avi file, and you want to create one signle avi file? huh? |
| 22:24.33 | belkin | sid i said i have "some" avi files |
| 22:24.39 | belkin | sid huh ? |
| 22:24.48 | enouf | rhalff_: where is that message from? .. do you have proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 in your /etc/fstab .. though it's a tmpfs issue likely |
| 22:25.01 | sid | belkin: avidemux |
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| 22:25.41 | belkin | anyone fam with mencoder ? |
| 22:25.47 | belkin | sid thanks |
| 22:25.59 | sid | belkin: I bet people in #mplayer are |
| 22:26.01 | rhalff_ | enouf: I have proc /proc proc rw,nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 |
| 22:26.05 | sid | !tell belkin about ask |
| 22:27.11 | enouf | rhalff_: in a chroot boot? |
| 22:27.25 | rhalff_ | enouf: it's a xen domU |
| 22:27.35 | enouf | what's that? |
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| 22:28.05 | rhalff_ | enouf: hm, virtual server |
| 22:28.17 | rhalff_ | http://www.xensource.com/ |
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| 22:28.42 | rhalff_ | or this one actually http://www.xensource.com/xen/index.html |
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| 22:28.57 | enouf | it maybe doesn't need any shm, since it's already virtual, but I wouldn't worry about s simple warning |
| 22:29.03 | enouf | s/s/a |
| 22:29.27 | rhalff_ | ah ok :) |
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| 22:35.12 | capiira | hahahah working now |
| 22:35.34 | capiira | *.html was liked to gedit |
| 22:35.46 | enouf | told ya :-p |
| 22:35.54 | capiira | hehe |
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| 22:36.09 | capiira | but where does gnome save those configurations? |
| 22:36.36 | ofer0 | capiira, you can change it via the GUI |
| 22:36.36 | enouf | capiira: i have no idea .. |
| 22:36.46 | ofer0 | capiira, run gconf and search for gedit |
| 22:36.57 | ofer0 | capiira, (that's not what I call GUI). use Open With... |
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| 22:37.18 | capiira | :) |
| 22:37.37 | capiira | yeah just wonder where gnome save those settings |
| 22:37.48 | ofer0 | capiira, in XML under the dir ~/.gconf2 |
| 22:37.57 | capiira | ahh let me see |
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| 22:40.25 | deb_noob | Does anyone know where I can find the k8-smp kernel and the nvidia-k8 kernel in any specific repo? |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | nvidia-k8 ? |
| 22:41.13 | capiira | no gconf2 there just gconf |
| 22:41.23 | bxnp | jelly-home, i found the sollution for the repo |
| 22:41.34 | jelly-home | bxnp: nice |
| 22:41.37 | deb_noob | abrotman: yeah the match from the nvidia driver to the kernel |
| 22:41.47 | bxnp | its not the problem of the repo |
| 22:41.48 | bxnp | its the configuration of apt |
| 22:41.58 | capiira | and it was a system wide setting because same happened in an other user account |
| 22:42.19 | capiira | so cant be something inside /home |
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| 22:42.47 | bxnp | Acquire::http::Proxy " in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? i had tocomment it out with // and try again |
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| 22:46.05 | jelly-home | bxnp: well, you've probably put it there yourself |
| 22:46.28 | bxnp | no |
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| 22:46.47 | jelly-home | bxnp: at least on Debian (which you're not using afair), nothing would add a proxy in there by default |
| 22:47.12 | bxnp | jelly-home, i did not even no that that file existed |
| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | bxnp: blame your distro, then |
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| 22:48.59 | bxnp | i dont think its the distro either, i think i already know what is the problem |
| 22:49.04 | itchi | Is there a Debian for on a PSP console? |
| 22:49.31 | pipeline | itchi: no. |
| 22:49.38 | itchi | hhhm |
| 22:49.54 | belkin | sid does avidemux use mencoder to do that ? |
| 22:50.23 | bxnp | i think automatix is responsible for that line jelly-home |
| 22:50.44 | itchi | And a computer like this http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/in-Action/hpeyerl-jornada.jpg how is this called? |
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| 22:51.28 | abrotman | jornado |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | itchi: check debian.org/ports/ |
| 22:51.44 | itchi | abrotman: Go to it :-) |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | i've been there |
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| 22:52.36 | itchi | Someone an idea the prize of it? Not find it here in Europe |
| 22:52.56 | belkin | abrotman does avidemux use mencoder ? |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | no idea |
| 22:53.19 | itchi | belkin: Look on the depends?? |
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| 22:53.39 | belkin | itchi i can do yeah :) |
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| 22:54.33 | itchi | abrotman: There is no port for it? (if i look good) |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | i don't know .. go look |
| 22:55.05 | itchi | abrotman: Looks nice stuff |
| 22:55.44 | itchi | Look http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/in-Action/emmanuel-jornada.jpg |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | so what? |
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| 22:56.15 | abrotman | ask #netbsd .. not #debian |
| 22:56.33 | itchi | abrotman: i not want netbsd, i'm looking for this stuff, and hope it run debian too |
| 22:56.44 | abrotman | then go look at debian.org/ports/ |
| 22:56.56 | abrotman | or ask google |
| 22:57.04 | abrotman | !google debian jornado |
| 22:57.07 | Jimmymaniac | Results for debian jornado on Google: |
| 22:57.07 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
| 22:57.14 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: TURN IT OFF |
| 22:57.17 | itchi | abrotman: Yup, have go to it, but look like there is no port for it, but i'm not sure which arch it use that jordana stuff |
| 22:57.24 | itchi | jornada* |
| 22:57.29 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 22:57.35 | itchi | yup |
| 22:58.38 | itchi | YES! |
| 22:58.40 | itchi | http://www.gefechtsdienst.de/preek/%5Ebilder/phorce_delta.jpg |
| 22:58.46 | jjazz | belkin: avidemux does not use mencoder |
| 22:58.57 | belkin | jjazz what then ? |
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| 22:59.44 | abrotman | belkin: on which distro ? |
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| 22:59.56 | belkin | abrotman huh ? |
| 23:00.05 | belkin | rc 1 |
| 23:00.06 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 23:00.16 | abrotman | did you look at the deps ? |
| 23:00.29 | belkin | nope |
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| 23:01.47 | sparr | my hard drive is thrashing something awful while ive got virtually 0 cpu load, how can i find out whats doing it? |
| 23:02.04 | sid | belkin: no avidemux does not use mencoder |
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| 23:03.55 | itchi | CyberGabber: Je moet in de config bepalen of je alsa of wat dan ook gebruiken wil als sound systeem |
| 23:03.58 | itchi | oeps |
| 23:04.21 | belkin | sid wouldnt be better to use mencoder (mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -o vid1+2+3.avi vid1.avi vid2.ai vid3.avi ) instead using avidemux ? |
| 23:04.21 | karmatronic | !rubbish |
| 23:04.21 | dpkg | hmm... rubbish is Stop typing stuff like asdf into the channel, it is annoying like hell. If you want to test your connection /msg yourself instead. |
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| 23:04.53 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: were you referring to www.ne2000.nl earlier today? |
| 23:04.55 | itchi | karmatronic: Just wrong channel in the wrong window in irssi :-p |
| 23:04.56 | StevePent3 | Hello, it is me the one who was in here earlier about ubuntu help and DVD's |
| 23:05.02 | karmatronic | :) |
| 23:05.18 | abrotman | StevePent3: are you on debian now ? |
| 23:05.24 | StevePent3 | abrotman, read my sys info |
| 23:05.24 | karmatronic | :) |
| 23:05.27 | StevePent3 | os[Linux 2.6.18-3-686 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 697MHz] mem[Physical : 250MB, 65.4% free] disk[Total : 10.58GB, 71.10% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x] sound[] |
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| 23:05.33 | abrotman | steven_: please don't do that again |
| 23:05.41 | abrotman | StevePent3: |
| 23:05.44 | StevePent3 | I just wanted to say something like that lol |
| 23:05.48 | abrotman | StevePent3: a simple yes/no would have sufficed |
| 23:05.49 | deb_noob | anyone know where i can find the k8-smp kernel? |
| 23:05.53 | StevePent3 | But, the DVD problem is here too, but everything works just fine |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | they're all smp now |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | StevePent3: need more info |
| 23:06.03 | StevePent3 | installer even in text mode was simpler |
| 23:06.09 | StevePent3 | Totem cannot read DVD |
| 23:06.12 | deb_noob | well does anyone know where i can find the k8 kernel? |
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| 23:06.23 | abrotman | deb_noob: for pure64? |
| 23:06.30 | itchi | deb_noob: apt-cache search foo |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | StevePent3: did you install libdvdcss ? |
| 23:06.32 | karmatronic | Steven-Laptop_, but other sotware can? |
| 23:06.34 | StevePent3 | Yes |
| 23:06.35 | deb_noob | 64bit processor, yes, on 32bit etch |
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| 23:06.44 | abrotman | !tell StevePent3 about w32codecs |
| 23:07.15 | deb_noob | itchi: it's not in my repo, i've looked |
| 23:07.43 | abrotman | deb_noob: pure64 or 32bit ? |
| 23:07.54 | StevePent3 | I have w32codecs installed, abrotman |
| 23:08.02 | abrotman | that was fast .. |
| 23:08.12 | StevePent3 | It was installed already |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | by who ? |
| 23:08.18 | StevePent3 | before you told me to install it |
| 23:08.24 | deb_noob | abrotman i'm on 32bit etch but it's a 64bit processor |
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| 23:08.58 | abrotman | deb_noob: i don't think there is a -k8 ... probably not worth it |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | there's a -k7 IIRC |
| 23:09.14 | abrotman | StevePent3: uhm .. no you didn't .. it's not in debian |
| 23:09.20 | deb_noob | ##kernel says there is and that i need it for my processor |
| 23:09.30 | StevePent3 | synaptics says it is installed |
| 23:09.38 | abrotman | no shit .. how did it get installed ? |
| 23:09.43 | StevePent3 | and i installed it when i searched for it |
| 23:09.52 | capiira | everything fixed now :) |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | StevePent3: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:10.20 | deb_noob | no repos have it? |
| 23:10.27 | StevePent3 | abrotman, want me to C&P the info i get? |
| 23:10.29 | Zerthis | deb_noob: http://packages.debian.org/ search for k8 |
| 23:10.36 | abrotman | StevePent3: it's only one line |
| 23:10.41 | karmatronic | ... |
| 23:10.47 | StevePent3 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | there are no k8 packages for 32bit etch |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | StevePent3: debian doesn't know about w32codecs by default |
| 23:11.18 | StevePent3 | Solution? |
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| 23:11.23 | abrotman | show us your sources |
| 23:11.24 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:11.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 23:11.58 | deb_noob | Zerthis: yeah there is a bunch of them, what repo do i add to get them? |
| 23:12.12 | abrotman | deb_noob: which version of debian ? etch? |
| 23:12.17 | capiira | ohh happy day |
| 23:12.33 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:12.33 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:12.50 | deb_noob | abrotman: yeah etch |
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| 23:13.11 | CaspeR-Bz | hi allz ! what means Debian-Sid ? |
| 23:13.28 | abrotman | !sid |
| 23:13.28 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:13.33 | StevePent3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5143 |
| 23:13.48 | CaspeR-Bz | thx "_ |
| 23:13.48 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, no, i was refering to www.campzone.nl |
| 23:13.50 | CaspeR-Bz | :) |
| 23:14.13 | deb_noob | everything listed is for sarge. can i use a sarge kernel on etch? |
| 23:14.15 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: you Dutchies sure have a lot of lan parties |
| 23:14.35 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, thats what we do... :P |
| 23:14.36 | StevePent3 | abrotman, there you go |
| 23:14.52 | capiira | hmmm should a fstab mounted hdb usually appears on the gnome desktop with a default drive icon ? |
| 23:15.02 | the_source | !unstable |
| 23:15.02 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:15.05 | abrotman | StevePent3: have you tried other DVDs ? |
| 23:15.09 | StevePent3 | Yes |
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| 23:15.17 | StevePent3 | i am about to try a Video CD |
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| 23:15.26 | abrotman | what's the real error ? |
| 23:15.31 | deb_noob | anyone please |
| 23:15.46 | StevePent3 | Totem cannot find a disc in the drive |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | which device is it trying to use ? |
| 23:16.13 | StevePent3 | 1 sec |
| 23:16.40 | StevePent3 | /dev/dvd |
| 23:16.45 | StevePent3 | it is /dev/hdb |
| 23:16.58 | Zerthis | deb_noob: sorry, i dont know, cant help you further |
| 23:16.59 | StevePent3 | i know that from ubuntu |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | i don't give a shit what ubuntu says |
| 23:17.32 | deb_noob | hrm, well what should i do to try and get that kernel? |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | i want to know what it says now |
| 23:17.36 | capiira | lol |
| 23:17.44 | deb_noob | can a sarge kernel be ran on etch? |
| 23:17.48 | peterS | abrotman: nah I think he's just saying he knows it is /dev/hdb because ubuntu told him |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | i wouldn't |
| 23:17.58 | StevePent3 | peterS, thank you |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | peterS: because ubuntu is always right ... what was i thinking ... |
| 23:18.30 | deb_noob | will it be available in the future? |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | StevePent3: and did DVDs play on ubuntu ? |
| 23:18.36 | peterS | deb_noob: yes it can. otherwise it wouldn't be possible to upgrade a running sarge box (: |
| 23:18.38 | abrotman | golly .. maybe ubuntu was wrong ... |
| 23:18.40 | StevePent3 | Yes |
| 23:18.45 | StevePent3 | earlier on |
| 23:18.49 | StevePent3 | Then i had to reformat |
| 23:18.49 | peterS | deb_noob: however, if you use udev, it probably will not work until you upgrade to an etch kernel |
| 23:19.01 | StevePent3 | and debian agrees it is /dev/hdb |
| 23:19.12 | deb_noob | what is udev? |
| 23:19.17 | karmatronic | !udev |
| 23:19.17 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 23:19.25 | the_source | anyone running sid? |
| 23:19.35 | StevePent3 | the_source, is sid etch? |
| 23:19.37 | karmatronic | the_source, you |
| 23:19.42 | peterS | deb_noob: it's a package for dynamically managing your /dev directory and other somewhat-related stuff. if you don't know anything about it, don't worry about it |
| 23:19.50 | deb_noob | peterS: but you think that the k8 will be added to etch repos in the future? |
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| 23:20.02 | peterS | StevePent3: no, sid is unstable, etch will be the next release |
| 23:20.04 | deb_noob | yeah i don't know anything about it |
| 23:20.25 | sphenxes | when is etch going to be released? |
| 23:20.27 | StevePent3 | i changed all references to /dev/dvd to /dev/hdb |
| 23:20.40 | StevePent3 | sphenxes, next month i beleive |
| 23:20.41 | capiira | brb |
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| 23:20.47 | peterS | deb_noob: I don't think so - if you want to run a 64-bit kernel I guess they figure you'll want to just switch to a 64-bit install |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | sphenxes: when it's ready .. not before |
| 23:20.59 | lila | I'm running debian testing and I'm wondering how to cat something to the audio device |
| 23:21.06 | peterS | deb_noob: k8 disappearing from the i386 kernel build was possibly an accident, but it is also probably too late to fix it now |
| 23:21.16 | lila | there's no /dev/audio, so what might be the device? |
| 23:21.18 | sphenxes | StevePent3, thanks |
| 23:21.22 | peterS | lila: normally you use a utility like 'play' from the sox package |
| 23:21.27 | StevePent3 | i am using RC1 right now, pretty decent |
| 23:21.28 | deb_noob | peterS: but then why is the i386 version of the 64bit k8 available to sarge users |
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| 23:21.42 | peterS | lila: you might have a /dev/dsp, but the 'play' command is better |
| 23:21.46 | lila | peterS: but i'd like to cat /dev/random to something, can I do that with the sox package? |
| 23:21.53 | h3sp4wn | when sarge was released there was no amd64 port |
| 23:21.54 | karmatronic | lila, cat bla_bla > /dev/dsp |
| 23:22.15 | peterS | lila: if you're using an alsa driver, you'll need to load the OSS compatibility module in order to use /dev/dsp - 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' |
| 23:22.21 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: if you use a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland - then there is alot of things that won't work |
| 23:22.36 | deb_noob | okay |
| 23:22.37 | lila | peterS: there's no /dev/dsp, so I'll try play or that modprobe |
| 23:22.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any amd64 Etch debs for OpenOffice.org 2.1 anywhere? |
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| 23:23.07 | deb_noob | so just stick with the k7? |
| 23:23.11 | deb_noob | k7-smp |
| 23:23.33 | peterS | deb_noob: there is no k7-smp in etch either - just k7, which _is_ smp. yeah, that should work. |
| 23:23.41 | lila | peterS: after modprobing snd_pcm_oss, the /dev/snd device appeared but cating /dev/random to it doesn't generate anything :( |
| 23:24.06 | boodie | I have an etch - AMD64, and I'm fairly happy - the only miss is realplayer and flash - in the sense that some sites contents aren't accessible |
| 23:24.13 | peterS | lila: my first guess in that situation is always the simplest thing: run a mixer app to turn your volume controls up and make sure the output is not muted |
| 23:24.17 | deb_noob | peterS: is the k7 dual core capable? |
| 23:24.32 | lila | peterS: and cating to play - returns a segmentation fault |
| 23:24.37 | peterS | deb_noob: I don't think so, no. but you can certainly have more than one athlon on a single motherboard |
| 23:25.13 | lila | peterS: what arguments can I pass timidity so that it can act as a mixer? |
| 23:25.48 | peterS | lila: timidity isn't a mixer - try 'alsamixer' from the alsa-utils package |
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| 23:27.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: #gnash |
| 23:27.04 | StevePent3 | abrotman, my grep output http://channels.debian.net/paste/5144 |
| 23:27.09 | lila | peterS: darn, I set everything to max in alsamixer and I'm still not hearing anything :( |
| 23:27.18 | deb_noob | well wine needs to go 64bit capable |
| 23:27.42 | abrotman | StevePent3: the IO errors are bad |
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| 23:27.54 | StevePent3 | How bad? |
| 23:28.29 | karmatronic | StevePent3, your problem is only dvd cant be played ? |
| 23:28.32 | abrotman | StevePent3: do you have windows on the box ? |
| 23:28.43 | StevePent3 | No |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | got another DVD drive around? |
| 23:28.54 | StevePent3 | It is a laptop |
| 23:29.00 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:29.17 | StevePent3 | what do you think happened abrotman |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | StevePent3: normally when we see those errors on a HDD .. we tell the person to back up all thier data and get a new HDD |
| 23:30.20 | the_source | is the debian base system files different from etch to sid, or is it only the packages which are newer in sid? |
| 23:30.24 | karmatronic | abrotman, the errors are on the dvd drive ! |
| 23:30.37 | abrotman | karmatronic: DVD drives can't die ? |
| 23:30.49 | karmatronic | abrotman, they can but not from that kind of errors |
| 23:30.52 | StevePent3 | it is a compaq armada DVD Drive, the OEM one |
| 23:30.53 | Caitriona | check the cable and the jumpers on the drive. |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | karmatronic: yes they can |
| 23:31.04 | HymnToLife | the_source, define "base system" |
| 23:31.08 | Caitriona | and maybe clean the read head. |
| 23:31.14 | karmatronic | abrotman, everything is suppsoed to die someday |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | karmatronic: okay .. if you don't believe me .. then you'll be sure to fix his issue right ? |
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| 23:31.30 | StevePent3 | except for little ships named enterprise |
| 23:31.30 | Caitriona | but it's probably toast |
| 23:31.37 | karmatronic | abrotman, i m just saying |
| 23:31.46 | StevePent3 | Wait, what if it is firmware related |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | karmatronic: no .. please .. go ahead .. don't let me stand in your way .. fix the problem |
| 23:32.03 | karmatronic | abrotman, StevePent3 i had the same kind of errors on my dvd drive |
| 23:32.04 | Caitriona | StevePent3: firmware doesn't just go bad. |
| 23:32.06 | StevePent3 | i once had a LG CD drive go that way, firmware was totaly wiped |
| 23:32.21 | karmatronic | abrotman, and the thing was related to dma not being enabled on the drive |
| 23:32.22 | the_source | HymnToLife: nvm, that was a stupid question :P |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | karmatronic: okay .. then help him fix it |
| 23:32.30 | StevePent3 | a command in linux wiped it, it was due to how they made it |
| 23:32.45 | karmatronic | abrotman, also it can be the cable from the motherboard to the dvd drive |
| 23:32.48 | StevePent3 | karmatronic, i want your opinion |
| 23:32.52 | karmatronic | abrotman, and not the dvd |
| 23:32.52 | StevePent3 | on what it could be |
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| 23:33.11 | karmatronic | StevePent3, i would firstly check the cables |
| 23:33.28 | karmatronic | StevePent3, it s my opinion on those drive errors |
| 23:33.43 | karmatronic | StevePent3, also be sure dma is enabled on the drive |
| 23:33.50 | StevePent3 | ouch |
| 23:33.52 | boodie | hmm - I can't find gnash in aptitude .. |
| 23:33.55 | StevePent3 | i just put in a audio CD |
| 23:34.01 | StevePent3 | it is sounding very staticy |
| 23:34.02 | karmatronic | StevePent3, and listen to what abrotman says,the guy is godd |
| 23:34.08 | karmatronic | s/godd/good |
| 23:34.09 | abrotman | karmatronic: just fix it! |
| 23:34.24 | karmatronic | abrotman, anyway.... |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | karmatronic: could be DMA .. should be an easy fix .. |
| 23:34.37 | karmatronic | hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb |
| 23:35.04 | lila | peterS: for your information, cating /dev/urandom worked but /dev/random didn't! |
| 23:35.09 | StevePent3 | command not found karmatronic |
| 23:35.22 | lila | peterS: thanks for all the help, at least I can start listening to white noise now :) |
| 23:35.23 | karmatronic | StevePent3, apt-get install hdparm |
| 23:35.33 | h3sp4wn | boodie: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (its only in sid) |
| 23:35.43 | StevePent3 | already installed |
| 23:35.46 | StevePent3 | and is the latest version |
| 23:35.56 | Zerthis | StevePent3: run as root |
| 23:35.59 | peterS | lila: that's not too surprising, really. /dev/random isn't meant to be used that way, it will stall badly almost immediately and who knows how that interaction with the sound card will work |
| 23:36.30 | peterS | oh, lila left |
| 23:36.42 | StevePent3 | ok |
| 23:36.44 | abrotman | all that typing .. what a waste |
| 23:36.46 | StevePent3 | dpne |
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| 23:37.23 | StevePent3 | DVD is spinning up |
| 23:37.33 | StevePent3 | and viola |
| 23:37.40 | StevePent3 | DVD is playing |
| 23:37.42 | boodie | OK - I'm a lamer, really. Anything beyond a package is a trap for me |
| 23:37.49 | StevePent3 | where is hte halaeujah music key |
| 23:37.59 | jelly-home | s/viola/voila/ |
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| 23:38.31 | emubite | Anyone have experience getting the best possible graphics performance on a PowerBook G4 12"? I've got an Nvidia card, but there are no PPC drivers. |
| 23:38.32 | StevePent3 | karmatronic, thank you |
| 23:38.44 | karmatronic | StevePent3, worked ? |
| 23:38.46 | StevePent3 | yup |
| 23:38.52 | StevePent3 | Red Dwarf Series IV is playing properly |
| 23:38.54 | StevePent3 | my newest DVD |
| 23:38.59 | StevePent3 | so i know it should work |
| 23:39.00 | phorce1 | jelly-home: Maybe he was playing the halaleua music on that viola and you just turned it into something else |
| 23:39.11 | peterS | jelly-home: no, he meant viola. he wants to hear this hallelujah music played by a viola. |
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| 23:39.32 | phorce1 | peterS: <grin> |
| 23:39.40 | h3sp4wn | boodie: It didn't work particularly well the last time I tried it (maybe the version in debian is old - no idea) |
| 23:39.55 | fooz | woo, vista is slow |
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| 23:40.17 | abrotman | karmatronic: see! |
| 23:40.34 | peterS | fooz: I guess they should list on the price tag, "* New PC (which you will need) not included in price" |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | karmatronic: i'm not good! |
| 23:40.39 | StevePent3 | abrotman, you were wrong |
| 23:40.42 | StevePent3 | But that is ok, thank you |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | StevePent3: are you going back to ubuntu now? :) |
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| 23:41.01 | boodie | I personally rely on the packages manainers, they are doing a great job |
| 23:41.01 | fooz | zomg, "Preparing your desktop" took 5 minutes |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | StevePent3: i'm never right .. |
| 23:41.10 | fooz | mostly it's my laptop, I think |
| 23:41.11 | StevePent3 | abrotman, no |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | i don't know why anyone ever listents to me |
| 23:41.22 | StevePent3 | Debian runs better than Ubuntu |
| 23:41.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: boredom, I guess |
| 23:41.40 | peterS | fooz: to be fair, if I wanted to prepare my physical desk top, it would take well over 5 minutes to clear off all the crap sitting on it |
| 23:41.40 | StevePent3 | But you can help me with one last thing then i am off for the night |
| 23:41.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: tried liquidwar ? |
| 23:41.53 | fooz | I'm running Vista Ultimate inside a 512mb Virtualbox vm, on a P4 1.9/768MB thinkpad |
| 23:41.55 | StevePent3 | how do i enable a shut down dialog in gnome so i do not have to use a terminal |
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| 23:42.08 | abrotman | StevePent3: configure GDM to allow it |
| 23:42.17 | StevePent3 | What is the command to do that, please |
| 23:42.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, but if it's booze, I'd be willing to |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | gdm-config or something like that |
| 23:42.43 | fooz | the whole Aero look really has got to go, first thing.. ugh |
| 23:42.47 | StevePent3 | neither one |
| 23:43.05 | abrotman | gdmconfig |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | fooz: wrong channel |
| 23:45.03 | StevePent3 | command not found abrotman |
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| 23:45.15 | Crissi | hello |
| 23:45.16 | stew | gdmsetup? |
| 23:45.18 | StevePent3 | and i am running as root |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 23:45.30 | unlink | i have libgnomevfs2-0 version 2.16.3-3 installed, but libgnome2-0 won't install, saying "Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.13.92) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 23:45.34 | Crissi | hello |
| 23:45.41 | stew | !greet Crissi |
| 23:45.41 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Crissi |
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| 23:45.53 | Crissi | i'm looking for a package which can create a freedos bootdisk |
| 23:46.04 | jelly-home | unlink: removed something from sources.list recently? |
| 23:46.07 | unlink | jelly-home: no |
| 23:46.12 | StevePent3 | what feature do i check for shutdown |
| 23:46.13 | Crissi | lomg time ago i had seen such a package under suse |
| 23:46.22 | stew | unlink: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libgnomevfs2-0 libgnome2-0" |
| 23:46.46 | Crissi | i need a dos boot disk for bios upgrade |
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| 23:47.09 | StevePent3 | Crissi, bootdisk.com lol |
| 23:47.23 | unlink | stew: http://rafb.net/p/eDBYYj33.txt |
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| 23:48.25 | Crissi | StevePent3: i asking for a installable package... |
| 23:48.37 | StevePent3 | ah |
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| 23:48.52 | StevePent3 | Does anybody know how to add a shutdown/restart/etc menu to gnome |
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| 23:49.32 | jelly-home | Crissi: what wrong with downloading a disk and dd-ing it to floppy? |
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| 23:50.08 | StevePent3 | brb |
| 23:50.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: Your question in #gnash: yes |
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| 23:50.26 | btiffin | StevePent3: My etch gnome has a Desktop menu item with a shutdown... |
| 23:50.36 | StevePent3 | btiffin, for some reason mine lacks it |
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| 23:50.39 | boodie | Dark: really? |
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| 23:51.20 | boodie | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not packaged yet, it seems |
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| 23:52.39 | belkin | shouldnt cdrecord dev=/dev/hda blank=fast erase data from my mini dvd-rw ? |
| 23:52.41 | btiffin | StevePent3: alacarte? |
| 23:52.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: That's cause it's alpha software |
| 23:52.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: And yes, really |
| 23:53.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: I've got it, and I'm on AMD64 X2 |
| 23:53.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: You need to grab it from SVN as its snapshots are usually pretty old |
| 23:53.23 | StevePent3 | alacarte? last time i heard that it was a lunch package lol |
| 23:53.42 | boodie | Dark_Apostrophe: does it work? Macromedia has announced a realease under GPL, I think |
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| 23:53.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: That would be tarmarin |
| 23:54.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: Tamarin was just a simple actionscript rendering engine they gave to Mozilla |
| 23:54.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnash has no Adobe code in it, and they use their own engines |
| 23:54.25 | Crissi | jelly-home: yes thats an idea... |
| 23:54.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or rather, they wrote their own engine plugins (Agg, OpenGL and Cairo) |
| 23:54.41 | btiffin | StevePent3: there is also desktop-menu-tool, but I've played with neither |
| 23:54.57 | Crissi | but i had think there is a image as package available because if i dont have internet (but a debian dvd).. |
| 23:55.31 | StevePent3 | done |
| 23:55.32 | StevePent3 | brb |
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| 23:56.43 | belkin | need to blank my mini dvd-rw sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hda/ blank=fast doesnt work |
| 23:56.53 | jelly-home | Crissi: if you don't have internet, how are you going to get the new firmware anyway :-P |
| 23:56.59 | belkin | /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 |
| 23:57.20 | boodie | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe Macromedia felt the pressure: after all, if somebody else is releasing a program that is likely to work under free software, they have no choice but giving it away ... |
| 23:57.24 | unlink | stew: unhelpful i assume? |
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| 23:57.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: Macromedia doesn't exist any more |
| 23:58.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: They've been eaten by Adobe :) |
| 23:58.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: Tamarin doesn't do jack shit for the free software flash player cause |
| 23:58.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just ask the guys in #gnash to elaborate |
| 23:59.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: Please note that in that channel, you need a lot of patience if you want an answer. Just ask and wait. :) |
| 23:59.18 | boodie | Oh well, one I am more worried about realplayer, indeed |
