| 00:00.05 | jhasse | How can i generate the dependencies from a binary? |
| 00:00.30 | stoned | build-dep? |
| 00:00.41 | stoned | I dunno what you're asking |
| 00:00.56 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: 202.180.64.2 and 202.180.64.9 |
| 00:01.14 | Miesco | abrotman: You know any like that? |
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| 00:01.52 | dendrite | jhasse: I guess 'ldd' would be a start... |
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| 00:02.29 | jhasse | stoned: when i use build-dep i have to type all in config. But some things like the dependencies and the installed-size could be generated |
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| 00:02.34 | jhasse | dendrite: k, thx |
| 00:02.59 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: they are working so maybe DNS is being blocked somewhere on your system |
| 00:03.31 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: How would that be found? |
| 00:04.14 | jhasse | Does someone know a tool which generates the DEBIAN/control file? |
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| 00:04.43 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: try this: dig@202.180.64.9 . any |
| 00:04.47 | peterS | jhasse: are you referring to debian/control in a source package, or DEBIAN/control in a binary package? |
| 00:05.05 | jhasse | peterS: binary |
| 00:05.33 | peterS | jhasse: binary packages should be built from source packages using the 'dpkg-buildpackage' program in the 'dpkg-dev' package. |
| 00:05.35 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: /etc/resolv.conf has a line " search localhost slingshot.co.nz" slingshot is the ISP I am dialling into |
| 00:05.44 | disposable | how do i suspend my laptop from a console? (suspend to ram) |
| 00:05.52 | peterS | jhasse: DEBIAN/control is copied, after some processing, from debian/control in the source package |
| 00:05.55 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: yeah...that's fine like that |
| 00:06.11 | disposable | how do i suspend my laptop from a console? (suspend to ram) on uptodate Etch 2.6.18-3 |
| 00:06.21 | jhasse | peterS: i have no idea of source packages. Is it possible to create a binary package directly? |
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| 00:06.42 | concept10 | stoned, you still alive |
| 00:06.43 | JordiGH | disposable: In GNOME, there's a nice power control applet that'll do it for you. |
| 00:06.51 | stoned | concept10, |
| 00:06.56 | stoned | I mean yes |
| 00:06.56 | stoned | lol |
| 00:06.57 | peterS | jhasse: you can try, using 'dpkg-deb' (also in dpkg-dev), but I don't advise it. it's much more manageable in the long run to have a source package |
| 00:07.07 | disposable | JordiGH, you didn't read my question :) |
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| 00:07.31 | jhasse | peterS: hm.. Why? |
| 00:07.44 | dendrite | jhasse: What binary is it, where did it come from? |
| 00:08.05 | JordiGH | Oh, from a console. |
| 00:08.25 | peterS | jhasse: because various tools have been written for managing source packages and building binary packages from them, whereas nobody has written any tools to accommodate building binary packages without source packages |
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| 00:08.32 | jhasse | dendrite: my own. I'm trying to make a "installer" for linux |
| 00:08.40 | Flimzy | Does Linux support useable read/write support for NTFS yet? |
| 00:08.51 | H2S04 | Flimzy, sort of :-p |
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| 00:09.00 | Flimzy | H2S04: heh |
| 00:09.18 | dendrite | jhasse: Ah. So you do have the source, etc. Study the "hello" debian package. |
| 00:09.23 | Flimzy | H2S04: So I'm probably best off usint FAT32 for data shared between XP and Linux on a dual-boot system, eh? |
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| 00:09.56 | jhasse | dendrite: where can i get it? |
| 00:09.59 | disposable | Flimzy, ntfs-3g works fine for me. no problems so far, been using it for over a month now on a daily basis |
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| 00:10.04 | dendrite | jhasse: apt-get install hello |
| 00:10.25 | Flimzy | disposable: Interesting. I guess that's newish? |
| 00:10.35 | Miesco | abrotman: Well what window manager do people like you use? |
| 00:10.47 | dendrite | jhasse: And apt-get source hello... |
| 00:11.08 | disposable | Flimzy, depends on what your idea of newish is. it's a fork from ntfstools |
| 00:11.49 | Flimzy | disposable: Is it in the kernel, or it's userspace? |
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| 00:12.30 | abrotman | Miesco: people like me ? |
| 00:12.38 | Miesco | abrotman: Come on just tell me what you use |
| 00:13.07 | GeorgeS069 | he uses Screen |
| 00:13.15 | TGPO | abrotman, CLI *grin* |
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| 00:14.07 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: the dig doesn't work on any IP's |
| 00:14.11 | disposable | Flimzy, it works through FUSE |
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| 00:14.26 | pinks01 | I tried the nameservers and a few other IP's I know well |
| 00:14.28 | jhasse | dendrite: hm... looks very complicated to me. The problem is, i'm not working with gnu automake. |
| 00:14.46 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: does it timeout? |
| 00:14.52 | pinks01 | yes |
| 00:14.54 | Flimzy | disposable: I guess I need to learn what FUSE is, then |
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| 00:15.23 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: that sounds like DNS is being blocked somewhere....did you install a firewall? |
| 00:15.24 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 00:15.26 | dendrite | jhasse: Another option is to play around with checkinstall. Not sure if that's in Debian or not... |
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| 00:15.40 | disposable | Flimzy, it's prretty straightforward. just install ntfs-3g and in /etc/fstab substitute ntfs with ntfs-3g (and change ro to rw) |
| 00:15.52 | Flimzy | disposable: sounds simple enough. |
| 00:15.55 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: I have ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 00:16.14 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
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| 00:16.37 | facenew | OT: a 30-min movie mocking kim jong il and his secret agent buying something from china: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685 |
| 00:16.46 | disposable | Flimzy, if you use apt-get to install it, it will automatically load the FUSE module, it really couldn't be easier |
| 00:16.51 | JordiGH | pinks01, you realise this means you don't want to reach any hosts? |
| 00:16.52 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: I have ALL: LOCAL in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 00:16.54 | Psy-X | hello |
| 00:16.55 | xeQter` | hey |
| 00:16.57 | Flimzy | disposable: handy. thanks. |
| 00:17.06 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: remove that ALL:ALL in hosts.deny |
| 00:17.07 | disposable | Flimzy, np |
| 00:17.44 | pinks01 | JordiGH: Do I identify the ISP by name server or remote IP and or by IP or name? |
| 00:18.08 | jhasse | dendrite: oh wow! Someone told me window's msi format could to something like this and he said "Isn't Microsoft great?". I didn't know linux could do that too :D |
| 00:18.19 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: I think you could also add the IP's of the nameservers in hosts.allow |
| 00:18.33 | peterS | facenew: don't spam |
| 00:18.51 | pinks01 | GeorgeSO69: cool -- I am just trying that atm ;-) |
| 00:19.17 | nvz | jhasse: dont be stupid, where the hell do you thing microsoft gets all their ideas from? |
| 00:19.21 | Miesco | I dont know what window manager to use, I tried a billion and I dont know |
| 00:19.24 | Miesco | Someone tell me |
| 00:19.32 | JordiGH | jhasse: Btw, Firefox also did tabs before IE7. |
| 00:19.38 | GeorgeS069 | Miesco:we told you...Screen |
| 00:19.45 | JordiGH | Was Opera the first tabbed browser? |
| 00:19.51 | Miesco | GeorgeS069: Im using that right now |
| 00:19.53 | JordiGH | Or Moziilla? |
| 00:19.58 | peterS | I think opera was first |
| 00:19.59 | jhasse | nvz: apple :P |
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| 00:20.17 | nvz | jhasse: ugh.. you are stupid. |
| 00:20.18 | Miesco | GeorgeS069: Thats not a window manager |
| 00:20.31 | stoned | nvz, chill bro. Whats going on? |
| 00:20.38 | jhasse | nvz: why? |
| 00:21.03 | disposable | Miesco, twin - textmode window environment for linux http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/screenshots/twin-on-gfx.png |
| 00:21.23 | nvz | speaking of apple, I wonder why the hell they keep marketing this iphone thing which isnt even out yet and supposedly the name iphone already belongs to cisco which they arent willing to co-operate with |
| 00:22.05 | stoned | ipod, imac, ithis, ithat,... iblowme. |
| 00:22.12 | stoned | stupid apple |
| 00:22.24 | disposable | stoned, ipple |
| 00:22.35 | stoned | lol |
| 00:22.37 | Miesco | disposable: I cant find it in aptitude |
| 00:22.39 | jhasse | ^^ |
| 00:22.46 | JordiGH | It used to mean "internet", right? Since the iMac was "internet-ready". |
| 00:22.49 | nvz | stoned: nothing, same shit, different day.. washing clothes, watching "My Girl", trying to figure out the meaning of wife |
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| 00:22.56 | disposable | Miesco, because it's not there. it used to be (in Woody) |
| 00:22.57 | stoned | lol |
| 00:23.04 | stoned | nvz, thas awesome |
| 00:23.10 | nvz | what's awesome? |
| 00:23.19 | stoned | nvz, didn't know you were married |
| 00:23.27 | nvz | me either.. go figure |
| 00:23.31 | stoned | nvz, lol |
| 00:23.38 | Miesco | disposable: Is that what you use? |
| 00:23.39 | stoned | nvz, I'm getting married in a few months |
| 00:23.57 | TGPO | sucker .... er ... congrats |
| 00:24.03 | `ns` | hehehe |
| 00:24.27 | nvz | I found the woman I want to make me miserable for the rest of my life, and she's more than happy to do it too.. just doesnt want to admit it in the form of a marriage |
| 00:24.31 | disposable | Miesco, woody or twin? yes, i use both quite often i have a computer with potato still running. google around for twin, its easy to compile, doesn't have that many dependencies |
| 00:24.36 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 00:24.37 | dpkg | [ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 00:24.58 | Miesco | disposable: Can you tile? |
| 00:25.27 | disposable | Miesco, you really don't like Googling, do you? |
| 00:25.55 | Miesco | disposable: Well I kind of want a wm in the repository |
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| 00:26.48 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 00:27.23 | Blue89 | how can I open a deb file on a non debian distro? tar? |
| 00:28.29 | disposable | Miesco, checkinstall is your friend. btw, i meant twin as a joke. i like it and know ppl who do too, but we're not much of X11 people. ymmv. |
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| 00:28.29 | Miesco | disposable: Okay |
| 00:28.29 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:28.29 | Miesco | I have used it, in sarge |
| 00:28.29 | olskolirc | hi guys |
| 00:28.29 | JordiGH | Blue89: dotdebs are ar archive files. Not tar. |
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| 00:28.31 | YazzY | hi guys |
| 00:28.45 | olskolirc | im confused about qt designer and qt assistant and what i need 2 or 3.0 |
| 00:28.45 | YazzY | is there any meta package with developement apps like gcc etc ? |
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| 00:28.55 | Blue89 | JordiGH; ty |
| 00:28.59 | Flimzy | What's the best way to get suspend to work on a laptop? Do I need to create a special suspend-to-disk partition? |
| 00:29.00 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: I changed /etc/hosts.deny and ...allow so that there are no entries, but no luck with dig yet |
| 00:29.04 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 00:29.12 | Blue89 | is ar a standard app on all distros? |
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| 00:29.20 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:29.21 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: any other ideas? |
| 00:29.35 | JordiGH | Blue89: I think so. |
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| 00:29.42 | Blue89 | I am on a zaurus, dont know if it will have that |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | !b-e YazzY |
| 00:29.44 | dpkg | YazzY: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 00:29.51 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: you could look in your log files and see if something is blocking the requests |
| 00:30.13 | YazzY | thanks abrotman |
| 00:30.18 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: I'm tailing syslog all the time and there's nothing there |
| 00:30.36 | JordiGH | YazzY: Such a metapackage would be rather useless, since everyone has widely varying development needs. If you want an IDE, try KDevelop. |
| 00:30.42 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: any other log I should look at? |
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| 00:31.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: too late :) |
| 00:31.13 | YazzY | JordiGH: i just need what build-essential gives |
| 00:31.39 | YazzY | glibc, gcc .. |
| 00:31.51 | JordiGH | Kay. |
| 00:31.57 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: you could try messages but,doubt that will help...look around in /var/log and see if there is a log for some kind of firewall like shorewall or something |
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| 00:32.41 | YazzY | adios |
| 00:32.43 | JordiGH | Oh, cool. Wikipedia can now have articles begin with a lowercase letter. |
| 00:32.44 | YazzY | and thanks again |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 00:32.53 | YazzY | :) |
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| 00:33.07 | man_in_ltop | JordiGH, why is this so important? |
| 00:33.34 | JordiGH | man_in_ltop, Because the first Google hit for the deb file format is a Wikipedia artiicle with a lowercase first letter. :-) |
| 00:34.07 | man_in_ltop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) << you mean this? |
| 00:34.49 | JordiGH | man_in_ltop, Mine got lowercase. |
| 00:34.54 | pinks | k |
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| 00:36.09 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard, you awake? |
| 00:36.22 | olskolirc | i went with installing kde-devel to get the qt suite and alot more goodies |
| 00:36.25 | olskolirc | did i do good? |
| 00:36.34 | olskolirc | qt3 |
| 00:36.36 | JordiGH | Blue89, further research indicates that ar is a GNU util, so any GNU/Linux distro should have it, even if it doesn't call itself GNU/Linux. ;-) |
| 00:36.46 | man_in_ltop | JordiGH, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/deb becomes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb very quickly |
| 00:36.59 | vy2wu | hi gang |
| 00:37.12 | vy2wu | I am a ham radio bbs sysop |
| 00:37.15 | JordiGH | man_in_ltop: the actual article is in lowercase, not the url. |
| 00:37.54 | vy2wu | trying togetup on ax25 under debian sarge |
| 00:38.06 | man_in_ltop | indeed |
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| 00:40.24 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: no firewall logs here |
| 00:40.53 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: I don't know what else to tell you...perhaps someone else can jump in and figure it out |
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| 00:41.10 | hellop | hello |
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| 00:42.22 | hellop | Does anyone know what program I can run to get back to the CURSES based config program for xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:42.31 | pinks | GeorgeSO69: many thnaks -- I'm just stumped myself.... |
| 00:42.32 | hellop | It's not xf86config |
| 00:42.51 | pinks | been at this for days now.....:( |
| 00:43.14 | hellop | I'm trying to use the "simple" mode to choose a VIA chipset. xf86config lets me choose a video card, but there is no VIA option |
| 00:43.39 | Guerin | pinks: what is the output of host google.com 4.2.2.2 |
| 00:43.41 | Guerin | ? |
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| 00:43.57 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: try this dig@4.2.2.2 . any |
| 00:44.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:44.08 | Guerin | or that |
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| 00:44.52 | hellop | I have searched google for an hour. |
| 00:44.56 | Guerin | !tell hellop about drxx |
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| 00:45.17 | hellop | thanks Guerin I'll try that. |
| 00:46.16 | Miesco | Can someone name a window manager that can 1: Supports tiling 2: Can use the app menu and 3: Has virtal desktops |
| 00:46.29 | JordiGH | "Searched Google for an hour..." That reminds me of journal articles that list Google in its references. Gee, that's useful! |
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| 00:46.40 | Guerin | wtd is `tiling'? |
| 00:46.43 | Guerin | JordiGH: seriously? |
| 00:46.58 | JordiGH | Guerin: I've seen it once or twice. |
| 00:47.13 | GeorgeS069 | his ISP's DNS do respond so if 4.2.2.2 fails it just has to be blocked on his PC |
| 00:47.17 | Guerin | JordiGH: one of my profs had to fail a paper last term for citing wikipedia |
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| 00:47.35 | Miesco | Guerin: tiling window mananger |
| 00:47.36 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: his isp's dns servers resolve names? |
| 00:47.42 | Guerin | Miesco: what does it MEAN? |
| 00:47.42 | GeorgeS069 | yes |
| 00:47.46 | JordiGH | Guerin: Can't you cite a specific version of Wikipedia? (I wonder how long before we're smitten for OT) |
| 00:48.03 | Miesco | Guerin: Means that the windows dont overlap |
| 00:48.06 | Guerin | JordiGH: you can cite it in some cases, but not as an authoritative source. |
| 00:48.11 | Miesco | Guerin: Like tiles |
| 00:48.15 | Guerin | Miesco: wtf would you want that? |
| 00:48.29 | Miesco | Guerin: So I can look at 2 windows at the same time |
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| 00:48.55 | JordiGH | Miesco: Kwin and probably Metacity snap window sizes at borders. If you want them to not overlap, you can do it. |
| 00:49.28 | Miesco | JordiGH: I cant use those |
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| 00:49.47 | capiira | hi all |
| 00:49.48 | JordiGH | Miesco: Why not? |
| 00:49.51 | Guerin | Miesco: the only ones I know of are ion, which you could possibly use with a toolbar or something for an app menu |
| 00:50.14 | olskolirc | i just read that etch is coming out in feburary 2007 from wikipedia |
| 00:50.29 | capiira | i have no questions yahooooo |
| 00:50.36 | Miesco | Guerin: I tried ion, let me try it again to see whats wrong with it |
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| 00:52.38 | capiira | etch is really nice as desktop |
| 00:52.49 | capiira | not the newest but nice |
| 00:52.50 | olskolirc | going to get vista capiira? it comes to a walmart near you on Tuesday |
| 00:53.01 | olskolirc | i'll put that in my vmware |
| 00:53.06 | hellop | so, does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 not create an /etc/X11/XF86Config file? |
| 00:53.06 | Guerin | olskolirc: you mean people are actually going to pay money for it? |
| 00:53.17 | hellop | cuz I deleted mine |
| 00:53.17 | olskolirc | yup! |
| 00:53.21 | capiira | your crazy? :) that's the reason why i stopped using windows |
| 00:53.43 | Guerin | hellop: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 00:53.44 | capiira | not going to stay with xp for ever and im not going to buy vista&co |
| 00:53.44 | olskolirc | because you didn't want to pay for it? |
| 00:53.54 | olskolirc | i test drove vista |
| 00:53.58 | capiira | i think its too much |
| 00:53.59 | JordiGH | Huh? How can they know? The number of RC bugs has been hovering at 100 for weeks now, with no sign of going down. :-( |
| 00:54.00 | olskolirc | nice piece of eye candy |
| 00:54.03 | capiira | 550 euros |
| 00:54.06 | olskolirc | menus are excellent |
| 00:54.07 | JordiGH | re: Feb release of etch |
| 00:54.08 | Guerin | olskolirc: I envy you, since you obviously have lots of money to waste on worthless shit. |
| 00:54.32 | olskolirc | lots of money to waste on my desires |
| 00:54.38 | capiira | i don't like the start menu |
| 00:54.46 | Guerin | me, I'd just go buy a couple ounces of weed or something |
| 00:54.47 | marco_ | the correct pronounciation of debian is "dehbyan" correct? |
| 00:55.04 | olskolirc | here is the wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_releases |
| 00:55.05 | capiira | the new concept is shit and it does look like a child os |
| 00:55.10 | Guerin | marco_: `deb' as in Deborah; `ian' as in Ian |
| 00:55.18 | olskolirc | says there etch comes out in feburary |
| 00:55.31 | marco_ | Guerin, that's almost impossible to pronounce together >_> |
| 00:55.34 | JordiGH | Ian could be EE-ahn or EYE-ahn. |
| 00:55.38 | Guerin | marco_: not at all |
| 00:55.51 | GeorgeS069 | deb eeee an |
| 00:55.51 | Guerin | JordiGH: no, Ian cannot be EYE-an |
| 00:55.52 | olskolirc | no marco its: debbie en |
| 00:56.03 | JordiGH | Guerin: it can in some places. |
| 00:56.15 | capiira | i just dont know yet is i should change etch to testing after stable got released |
| 00:56.19 | Guerin | olskolirc: [citation needed] = `this is pure bullshit speculation' |
| 00:56.24 | capiira | *if |
| 00:56.32 | olskolirc | no biggie Guerin |
| 00:56.37 | rahul | actually, Ian is yyan |
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| 00:56.50 | Guerin | JordiGH: well, sure, I can unilaterally decide that `e' is pronounced zdijfkghskzjdhfksdf, but that don't make it so |
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| 00:56.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: never have i heard it pronounced EYE-an .. even by rednecks |
| 00:56.53 | azrail | how do i remove a software from starting on start UP? |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 00:57.13 | rahul | abrotman: I have, but only by rednecks, heh |
| 00:57.17 | olskolirc | lol abrotman |
| 00:57.22 | JordiGH | abrotman, EYE-raq. ;-) |
| 00:57.27 | azrail | ? |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | rahul: you also live near brooklyn/jersey |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | JordiGH: so what? what the fuck does that prove? |
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| 00:57.40 | Guerin | JordiGH: ... |
| 00:57.46 | rahul | abrotman: no, this was in houston. |
| 00:57.48 | JordiGH | abrotman, easy, boy. I'm joking. |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 00:57.55 | capiira | bang |
| 00:58.00 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:58.32 | rahul | brooklyneese would probably pronounce it right, not because of accent, but because of knowledge |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | that's JordiGH's problem ... |
| 00:59.33 | azrail | how do i remove a software from starting on start UP? |
| 00:59.51 | hellop | Leenooks |
| 00:59.52 | rahul | azrail: why do you have it installed if you don't want it? |
| 00:59.53 | GeorgeS069 | azrail: update-rc.d |
| 00:59.56 | Guerin | azrail: update-rc.d |
| 01:00.11 | azrail | rahul ur a idiot it came with the distro |
| 01:00.19 | azrail | thats just a plane stupid reply. |
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| 01:00.32 | Guerin | azrail: like what? |
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| 01:00.37 | rahul | azrail: you're full of shit. |
| 01:00.43 | hellop | azrail, check your init.d/rc.3 startup scripts |
| 01:00.44 | azrail | im using mepis |
| 01:00.48 | Guerin | hellop: rc3? |
| 01:00.50 | azrail | u fucking retard |
| 01:00.52 | Guerin | azrail: ah. |
| 01:00.59 | hellop | ? |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | try #mepis |
| 01:01.03 | azrail | not you. |
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| 01:01.08 | azrail | rahul |
| 01:01.11 | Guerin | azrail: you get to drink this nice warm glass of `fuck off to #mepis' then |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | try #mepis |
| 01:01.18 | azrail | nah |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | and i told you how .. |
| 01:01.26 | azrail | ok |
| 01:01.29 | azrail | thanx far out |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | now bugger off |
| 01:01.50 | rahul | azrail: debian does not install any daemons by default |
| 01:01.50 | capiira | ahh i have one question maybe two:)! is there a way to create a symlink but one that use the original dir structure starting from root / ? |
| 01:01.50 | Guerin | hellop: not used by default in debian |
| 01:01.50 | azrail | rahul a you fucking stupid? |
| 01:01.56 | azrail | i just told you i have MEPIS |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | azrail: STOP |
| 01:02.00 | azrail | NO |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | azrail: go to #mepis |
| 01:02.05 | Guerin | azrail: not as a-fucking stupid as you, you're in the wrong a-channel |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | ask them |
| 01:02.07 | hellop | ls |
| 01:02.10 | hellop | asd |
| 01:02.12 | hellop | clear |
| 01:02.12 | rahul | azrail: a this is #debian |
| 01:02.13 | azrail | yes |
| 01:02.13 | GeorgeS069 | a |
| 01:02.18 | azrail | everyone is afk in mepis |
| 01:02.21 | abrotman | so what |
| 01:02.27 | rahul | azrail: a go somewhere else if you a want help with something else |
| 01:02.28 | azrail | yes i know you fucking idiot |
| 01:02.28 | GeorgeS069 | so you wait |
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| 01:02.32 | azrail | this is debian channal. |
| 01:02.33 | Guerin | azrail: sucks to be a-using a shit distro |
| 01:02.34 | azrail | OH |
| 01:02.35 | azrail | ENUFF |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | !ops azrail offtopic and being abusive |
| 01:02.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: azrail offtopic and being abusive |
| 01:02.38 | azrail | just stfu |
| 01:02.51 | azrail | !ops <abrotman> offtopic being gay |
| 01:02.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: azrail complains about: <abrotman> offtopic being gay |
| 01:02.55 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:02.58 | Guerin | !gay |
| 01:02.58 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:02.59 | GeorgeS069 | hahaha |
| 01:03.01 | azrail | !ops abrotman offtopic being gay |
| 01:03.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: azrail complains about: abrotman offtopic being gay |
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| 01:03.02 | abrotman | wow .. such a smart kid |
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| 01:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@149.135.115.221] by LoRez |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | LoRez: again please |
| 01:03.18 | abrotman | thank you |
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| 01:03.26 | olskolirc | natives are restless tonight |
| 01:03.32 | GeorgeS069 | must be sunday |
| 01:03.54 | capiira | :) |
| 01:04.05 | olskolirc | ? |
| 01:04.13 | GeorgeS069 | !sunday |
| 01:04.13 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 01:04.24 | capiira | soooo.... is there a way to create a symlink but one that use the original dir structure starting from root / ? |
| 01:04.43 | olskolirc | no capiira |
| 01:05.09 | capiira | ohhhhkay |
| 01:05.12 | capiira | :) |
| 01:05.20 | jelly-home | !monday |
| 01:05.20 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 01:05.21 | olskolirc | unless you gave your symlink permissions |
| 01:05.23 | olskolirc | or chown |
| 01:05.42 | jelly-home | what was the perpetual sunday factoid |
| 01:05.58 | jelly-home | ... listvalues is my friend |
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| 01:06.09 | capiira | nah i mean if i create a sysmlink on the desktop to a folder on root then the path is /home/user/Desktop/folder |
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| 01:06.36 | olskolirc | capiira it never worked for me |
| 01:06.45 | olskolirc | capiira if you find out how let me know |
| 01:06.48 | capiira | i would like to have a original path stating from roo |
| 01:06.53 | capiira | +t |
| 01:07.00 | capiira | yep |
| 01:07.01 | olskolirc | i wanted to load hda1 to the desktop |
| 01:07.36 | capiira | gnome just loads drives in /media to the desk |
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| 01:07.58 | Xenguy | Hi - is there a method (e.g. cli or webpage) for finding out why a package (e.g. drupal) is in unstable but not testing, and how long it might take to appear in testing? |
| 01:08.22 | capiira | and for a few drives gnome adds drive size and for some gnome don't |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | !why is drupal not in testing |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | drupal is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=drupal |
| 01:08.33 | Guerin | !why is drupal not in testing |
| 01:08.36 | Guerin | BAH |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | !win me |
| 01:08.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:08.51 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 01:08.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 01:08.54 | jelly-home | bah |
| 01:08.57 | capiira | and that would be m second question if there is a way to make gnome stop adding drive size?!?! |
| 01:09.01 | olskolirc | gooooo abrotmannnnnnnn |
| 01:09.06 | olskolirc | he's so sexy :-) |
| 01:09.13 | capiira | drive size in the drive name |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | i think i just won twice! |
| 01:09.20 | Guerin | olskolirc: you should see him with an umbrella hat and cake on his butt |
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| 01:09.39 | abrotman | i'm too sexy for my cake |
| 01:09.45 | olskolirc | Guerin i hope you are a wman too right? lol |
| 01:09.52 | olskolirc | lol abrotman |
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| 01:10.01 | Guerin | olskolirc: why would you hope that? |
| 01:10.08 | olskolirc | lmaoooooooooooo |
| 01:10.08 | Guerin | and wtf is a wman? |
| 01:10.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: when are we gonna see you on the catwalk |
| 01:10.13 | olskolirc | woman |
| 01:10.13 | Xenguy | thanks abrotman and Guerin |
| 01:10.15 | olskolirc | sorry |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: have you seen umbrella/cakebutt pictures ? |
| 01:10.46 | capiira | hmmmm then let me search for pmount config i think its the tool that adds drives to desktop |
| 01:11.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: No, I didn't get that reference (and they trigger my 6oatse sense somehow) |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: /j #-ot |
| 01:11.36 | olskolirc | anyone have secondlife for linux? |
| 01:11.44 | Guerin | !anyone use secondlife for linux? |
| 01:11.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses secondlife for linux, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:12.01 | olskolirc | i like it |
| 01:12.09 | Guerin | olskolirc: you have my condolences. |
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| 01:12.22 | olskolirc | you don't like secondlife Guerin? |
| 01:12.43 | Guerin | olskolirc: i don';t have time in my first life to pour into black holes |
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| 01:13.00 | olskolirc | i think it's interesting |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | i think actual life is interesting |
| 01:13.19 | olskolirc | see? while you are on irc, you could be on secondlife |
| 01:13.38 | Guerin | or I could be getting on with my first life |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | which I am |
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| 01:14.03 | olskolirc | i only get 2 hours a day for r n r |
| 01:14.31 | olskolirc | after shower and eating, that leaves me time for reading and playing games |
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| 01:15.23 | jelly-home | s/first life/first wife/ |
| 01:15.45 | olskolirc | i can't get quicktime4linux on here |
| 01:15.53 | olskolirc | my make install didn't work out |
| 01:17.43 | magyar | this whole iceweasel is bullshit |
| 01:17.55 | Guerin | olskolirc: why use quicktime, it's useless |
| 01:17.58 | Guerin | magyar: why? |
| 01:18.22 | Guerin | magyar: did you read the whole thread? Two groups have valid, but conflicting needs. They came to a compromise. |
| 01:18.25 | magyar | Guerin: lot of websites redirect me to download Firefox2 |
| 01:18.40 | Guerin | magyar: what has that to do with the price of tea in china? |
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| 01:19.02 | magyar | Guerin: it was a figure of speech |
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| 01:19.10 | magyar | makes it tough on end users |
| 01:19.20 | Guerin | magyar: blame mozcorp |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | magyar: then use epiphany |
| 01:19.24 | magyar | because a lot of webdevelopers are dicks |
| 01:19.34 | Guerin | *SHOCK* |
| 01:19.41 | magyar | iceweasel is firefox3 |
| 01:19.43 | magyar | iceweasel is firefox2 |
| 01:19.44 | Guerin | no |
| 01:19.47 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:20.00 | magyar | bahh |
| 01:20.03 | Guerin | but that's coincidence |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | magyar: it's the same rendering engine |
| 01:20.26 | Guerin | if a website redirects you on the basis of your useragent, it's not worth using |
| 01:20.29 | magyar | abrotman: i think, there is a way to ID my iceweasel as Firefox |
| 01:20.32 | magyar | i think |
| 01:20.34 | magyar | eheheeh |
| 01:20.37 | magyar | if there is a will |
| 01:20.44 | Guerin | magyar: there are plugins for it |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | magyar: i'm sure there is ... about:config might help |
| 01:20.46 | krazykit | magyar, there's an extension for it |
| 01:20.50 | Coweater | there's extensions that allow falsifying user agents |
| 01:20.58 | magyar | sweet |
| 01:21.00 | Guerin | it even spoofs IE pretty well |
| 01:21.00 | Coweater | even let you switch quickly with a couple clicks if you like |
| 01:21.16 | Guerin | though often breaks on the activex |
| 01:21.19 | krazykit | magyar, yeah, you can use user-agent switch plus the extension that lets you make funny names |
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| 01:21.23 | magyar | where were you guys a few lines befor |
| 01:21.24 | liable | i am pretty sure my weasel shows as firefox |
| 01:21.27 | magyar | before |
| 01:21.29 | magyar | -_- |
| 01:21.36 | krazykit | i was brooding fruit flies. |
| 01:21.41 | Guerin | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/aboutyou.ch |
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| 01:22.22 | magyar | liable: go to bell.ca |
| 01:22.50 | magyar | of all the people |
| 01:22.55 | magyar | a communication company |
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| 01:23.42 | SniZ | hi, can anybody suggest me a pretty and flexible crossover IRC client for nix and win (please xchat dont suggest)? |
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| 01:24.43 | krazykit | SniZ, pretty much just xchat. there are some irssi builds around that work in windows too. oh! if you have firefox/iceweasel, you can use chatzilla. opera has an irc client too, i think |
| 01:24.57 | SniZ | :( |
| 01:24.58 | SniZ | tnx |
| 01:25.05 | SniZ | but i dont plugins |
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| 01:25.24 | liable | magyar: what am i supposed to find there? |
| 01:25.30 | maher | remedial bash question: if i do FOO=bar i get FOO=bar in set, but in in env, I have to do export FOO - is there any particular reason for this behaviour? |
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| 01:25.42 | krazykit | i mean, SniZ, you COULD use gaim, but irc in gaim kinda sucks. |
| 01:26.03 | magyar | krazykit: iceweasel search returns no extensions |
| 01:26.04 | SniZ | yeah |
| 01:26.06 | SniZ | i know |
| 01:26.30 | man_in_ltop | NetworkManager seems to be working ok for me, except it doesn't support phase2 auth |
| 01:26.38 | krazykit | magyar, for the funny name one? |
| 01:26.45 | magyar | liable: a page saying: "you must download IE7 or Firefox2" to view the content |
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| 01:27.08 | magyar | krazykit: to switch "Browser ID" |
| 01:27.10 | liable | magyar: i could see the home page fine |
| 01:27.20 | magyar | with iceweasel? |
| 01:27.24 | liable | though it renders badly |
| 01:27.26 | liable | yes |
| 01:27.44 | magyar | liable: i am on sid and i cant |
| 01:27.58 | liable | funny |
| 01:28.02 | krazykit | magyar, the extension is user agent switcher |
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| 01:28.07 | man_in_ltop | there is an extension for firefox/iceweasel to switch user agents :) |
| 01:28.12 | krazykit | magyar, it's like the first or second hit on google |
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| 01:28.21 | man_in_ltop | i had to use it on a microsoft page |
| 01:28.22 | magyar | krazykit: thanks |
| 01:28.40 | man_in_ltop | "you must use the latest version of internet explorer" became "welcome to your profile" |
| 01:28.47 | man_in_ltop | had 0 issues with that page |
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| 01:29.38 | snowbird | ice weasel is fire fox? |
| 01:29.49 | liable | yes |
| 01:29.55 | snowbird | ok |
| 01:30.18 | snowbird | i got wifi liable card cant see router |
| 01:30.25 | snowbird | so stil working on that |
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| 01:32.59 | liable | snowbird: turn off the security on the router and see if it works |
| 01:33.09 | snowbird | ok |
| 01:33.13 | snowbird | wil do that |
| 01:33.36 | FiZZinK | #wop |
| 01:33.52 | liable | spam |
| 01:34.01 | FiZZinK | Håhåhåhåhåhåhåhåhåhå |
| 01:34.02 | FiZZinK | join |
| 01:34.05 | snowbird | spam yum yum |
| 01:34.14 | liable | go away |
| 01:35.15 | snowbird | me? |
| 01:35.17 | jelly-home | #wop? wanker, offtopics prohibited |
| 01:35.56 | w0rd65 | FiZZinK |
| 01:36.00 | w0rd65 | I got ops in your lame chan |
| 01:36.05 | w0rd65 | and banned everyone in it |
| 01:36.08 | w0rd65 | you are a lamo. |
| 01:36.21 | w0rd65 | [17:35] * w0rd65 sets mode: +b *!*@ool-182efaf3.dyn.optonline.net |
| 01:36.28 | w0rd65 | [17:35] * FiZZinK was kicked by w0rd65 (w0rd65) |
| 01:37.03 | wireddd | I would just like to comment that I don't like the iceweasel icon very much, at least keep the globe |
| 01:38.47 | magyar | krazykit: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ <---this is the bomb |
| 01:38.51 | magyar | love the weasel |
| 01:38.55 | magyar | :) |
| 01:39.15 | zinx | wireddd: there are several |
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| 01:41.06 | magyar | i also think that the above website should be a "sticky" to dpkg msg |
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| 01:42.01 | wireddd | zinx: the default is ugly and doesn't look good when it is small |
| 01:42.02 | hellop | who knows how to scroll up in bitchX? |
| 01:42.11 | mentor | wireddd: the maintainer is the only one going to do anything about that. Drop him a mail or open a wishlist bug. |
| 01:42.59 | zupaer-tl | hellop: tried pageup? |
| 01:43.20 | hellop | zupaer-tl I swear I tried that |
| 01:43.25 | Guerin | wireddd: your wish will be more likely to be granted if you supply a replacement. |
| 01:43.30 | hellop | how about switch channels? |
| 01:43.38 | Guerin | hellop: ask #bitchx |
| 01:43.45 | Guerin | or use irssi |
| 01:43.45 | hellop | hmm |
| 01:43.54 | hellop | I can't even figure out how to get to the /ehelp |
| 01:44.23 | Xenguy | bah, http://bjorn.haxx.se/ is pooched :-( |
| 01:46.32 | zinx | wireddd: Ubuntu chose a different one :/ |
| 01:47.08 | wireddd | I am not surprised |
| 01:47.28 | liable | did ubuntu use firefox or the weasel? |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu ? |
| 01:48.01 | liable | i dont care *that* much :P |
| 01:48.08 | zinx | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IceWeaselIcon |
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| 01:48.19 | sorl_ | anyone use mydns? |
| 01:48.36 | sorl_ | my slaves dont seem to update from my master using mydns |
| 01:49.18 | sorl_ | i switch back to bind9 and slaves update fine, im trying dig and all looks fine too |
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| 01:50.08 | asg | sorl_: #dns might know. Also, check /usr/share/doc/<pkg> for other informatino |
| 01:50.10 | asg | *information |
| 01:50.45 | jelly-home | hmm, was default ping changed recently in etch? I see dist-upgrade would have preferred to install iputils-ping, but I already had netkit-ping |
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| 01:52.19 | sorl_ | asg: thanks |
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| 01:54.01 | snowbird | ubuntu |
| 01:54.05 | linux_user400354 | why are they bluetooth and floppy modules loaded? i dont have them in /etc/modules and i didnt load them manually. i do not have a floppy drive in my machine nor do i have bluetooth anything. what mechanism is causing the modules to get loaded? they are not in my /etc/modules |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | modconf |
| 01:54.55 | snowbird | were are logs located |
| 01:54.57 | sorl_ | /etc/modules aremodules to be loaded "manually" |
| 01:55.04 | norken | looking for a notebook. any recommendation? some conditions: must use wlan chip which can inject packets, minimal effort in transferring my debian etch fr my desktop pc. |
| 01:55.34 | justin | linux_user400354: something probably tried to access a floppy drive, or use a bluetooth device |
| 01:56.04 | sorl_ | linux_user400354, blacklist modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist if you dont want to load them |
| 01:56.12 | justin | or just ignore them |
| 01:56.22 | linux_user400354 | thanks |
| 01:56.34 | hellop | norken get one with a mini-pci slot for the wireless card |
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| 01:57.15 | abrotman | oh duh .. i misread .. i thought he wanted them to load :) |
| 01:57.17 | snowbird | liable were are logs |
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| 01:57.26 | norken | hellop: that' right, thks. with that, i can buy an external card with the chipset i want. |
| 01:57.32 | linux_user400354 | snowbird: /var/log |
| 01:57.37 | snowbird | ty |
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| 01:58.47 | lech | anyone familiar with what processes at boot would be overwriting or appending to my motd file? |
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| 01:59.09 | norken | what is the easiest means to transfer stuff over fr my deskptop pc running debian etch to my notebook? |
| 01:59.26 | Guerin | norken: what's the notebook running? |
| 01:59.36 | jelly-home | lech: try something like grep motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 01:59.48 | linux_user400354 | norken: apache maybe |
| 02:00.02 | norken | Guerin: i intend it to be like what i have built in the desktop as much as possible. |
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| 02:00.28 | linux_user400354 | norken: scp |
| 02:00.32 | Guerin | norken: use scp or something |
| 02:00.39 | lech | jelly-home, looks like /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh:# is doing something there, hmmm |
| 02:00.41 | norken | k, thks. |
| 02:00.45 | Guerin | nfs is a pain in the arse, only set it up if you need a permanent solution |
| 02:00.47 | jelly-home | lech: is your /etc/motd a symlink to /var/run/motd? |
| 02:01.30 | lech | jelly-home, from what i can tell /var/run/ has no motd file or folder |
| 02:01.38 | norken | Guerin: read about FAI and systemimager, are they appropriate for the task too? |
| 02:02.08 | jelly-home | lech: I'm asking because that's the case on my etch installation |
| 02:02.20 | Guerin | norken: never used `em. I think they're mostly for large-scale stuff. For a single box it's usually enough to just install, tar up /home and copy it across |
| 02:02.52 | lech | jelly-home, ahh, well in this case upon reboot i keep getting the distro's tagline appended to line 1 of the motd and i'd rather not have it there at all |
| 02:03.05 | norken | Guerin: umh, thks. |
| 02:03.33 | jelly-home | lech: so, is your /etc/motd a normal file or a symlink? |
| 02:03.40 | lech | normal file |
| 02:04.06 | lech | running the grep you suggested turned up 2 instances of the following: |
| 02:04.08 | lech | /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh:# Update /etc/motd. If it's a symbolic link, do the actual work |
| 02:04.16 | lech | /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh: MOTD="`readlink -f /etc/motd || :`" |
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| 02:05.36 | jelly-home | lech: so take a look at that file, and possibly comment out whatever messes with /etc/mod |
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| 02:06.23 | lech | looking now, thanks |
| 02:06.40 | jelly-home | lech: or, even better, read it first... it looks like there's a EDITMOTD variable somewhere |
| 02:07.01 | jelly-home | lech: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 02:08.43 | lech | yeah, i located the editmotd var and turned it to no |
| 02:08.52 | lech | it was in the bootmisc.sh |
| 02:09.05 | lech | i just rebooted to see if it's screwed with my motd now |
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| 02:09.47 | lech | hmmm, bastard |
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| 02:10.03 | jelly-home | lech: just 2 lines lower and you'd find out you don't have to mess with that file and can change /etc/default/rcS instead |
| 02:10.55 | jelly-home | lech: ... which is sourced in bootmisc.sh right after the default var. assignments |
| 02:10.57 | lech | ahh, neat |
| 02:12.05 | lech | ok, reboot #3 |
| 02:12.54 | lech | i restored the EDITMOTD in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and instead did like you suggested, lets see if this does the trick |
| 02:13.21 | lech | success |
| 02:13.28 | lech | thank you very much, jelly-home |
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| 02:14.23 | garotosopa | hi! I'm getting this error on samba 3.0.23d: create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators when accessing shares in windows xp. backend tdbsam, security=user. could somebody help me? |
| 02:14.25 | jelly-home | lech: grep is a useful tool (also is knowing where to search :-) |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | garotosopa: tried #samba ? |
| 02:15.29 | garotosopa | abrotman, I'm waiting for someone there |
| 02:16.08 | Gnea | garotosopa: what are you using to configure samba with? |
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| 02:16.49 | garotosopa | Gnea, what you mean? swat? no. just vi /etc/samba/smb.conf ... |
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| 02:17.26 | Gnea | garotosopa: i recommend swat |
| 02:17.27 | Gnea | !swat |
| 02:17.27 | dpkg | somebody said swat was Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 02:17.43 | Gnea | garotosopa: it will help troubleshoot much better |
| 02:18.15 | garotosopa | well I can give it a try |
| 02:18.33 | Gnea | you should, it will give you access to so many more options |
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| 02:22.02 | n3kl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.36 | n3kl_ | The file is user writeable but its empty. Does anyone know what the issue might be? |
| 02:22.37 | linux_user400354 | sorl_: justin: bluetooth is being used by some other modules and i cant remove it with modprobe -r. will it cause problems if i blacklist it? chris@debian-3.1:/etc/udev/rules.d$ lsmod | grep blue |
| 02:22.37 | linux_user400354 | bluetooth 53476 4 rfcomm,l2cap |
| 02:22.38 | sparrj | I have a pentium 90 with 24MB of RAM. I am most familiar with debian, but is it the best distro for such hardware? |
| 02:22.54 | Gnea | n3kl_: you couldn't find a .deb to install? |
| 02:23.19 | garotosopa | Gnea, if I have security = user , someone must provide a valid user/password even for accessing a public "guest ok" share, right? |
| 02:23.31 | Gnea | sparrj: it depends what you want to use the system for |
| 02:23.56 | Gnea | garotosopa: correct, so you'll need to setup some sort of password authentication scheme for samba |
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| 02:24.17 | n3kl_ | Gnea: I could, but I wasn't sure if oreon would be compatable with it. |
| 02:24.22 | Gnea | garotosopa: have you read the samba howto? |
| 02:24.37 | garotosopa | Gnea, I'm reading the help on swat right now |
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| 02:24.45 | garotosopa | gonna check it also |
| 02:25.01 | Gnea | n3kl_: well the reason i ask, is because you've installed it via source - we don't support that here - we only support real debian packaged software |
| 02:25.57 | Gnea | n3kl_: and it looks like nagios is already debianized |
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| 02:26.37 | n3kl_ | Gnea: is oreon? |
| 02:26.50 | Gnea | n3kl_: apt-cache search oreon <-- check for yourself |
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| 02:30.21 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 02:30.30 | Reiser_X | i have problems with xfree86 |
| 02:30.38 | Reiser_X | resolution problems |
| 02:30.44 | Reiser_X | any help available? |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:30.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:30.56 | Gnea | Reiser_X: only if you provide specific details |
| 02:31.12 | Reiser_X | ok |
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| 02:31.29 | Reiser_X | if i use 800 x 600 all is ok |
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| 02:31.48 | Reiser_X | but when i choose 1024 x 768 the screen look wrong |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | what is your video card ? and what driver are you using ? |
| 02:31.56 | Reiser_X | Ati |
| 02:32.01 | Reiser_X | i have T30 IBM |
| 02:32.09 | Gnea | ah |
| 02:32.14 | Gnea | now we're getting somewhere |
| 02:32.19 | Gnea | Reiser_X: laptop? |
| 02:32.22 | Reiser_X | with Ubuntu work fine |
| 02:32.24 | Reiser_X | Yes |
| 02:32.27 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 02:32.34 | Gnea | have you checked those urls? |
| 02:32.46 | Reiser_X | no |
| 02:32.48 | Reiser_X | thanks |
| 02:32.53 | Gnea | good luck :) |
| 02:32.54 | Reiser_X | i will check |
| 02:33.03 | Reiser_X | because i need to configure WiFI |
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| 02:33.28 | Gnea | nearly every problem i've ever had with a laptop i've been able to find the answer to through at least one of those sites |
| 02:33.37 | Gnea | only once did i have to write a whole new howto from scratch :) |
| 02:33.45 | Gnea | speaking of which... |
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| 02:34.01 | jelly-home | Gnea: and which one of those sites did you post it to? :-) |
| 02:34.23 | Gnea | jelly-home: hehe this was years ago, when there was ONLY http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 02:34.29 | jelly-home | heh |
| 02:34.30 | bib | wikipedia? |
| 02:35.02 | bib | can you put howtos in wikipedia? |
| 02:35.33 | jelly-home | they're not encyclopaedic articles, so I'd guess no |
| 02:35.39 | bib | oh |
| 02:36.17 | Gnea | afaik, if you get one written up, you can email the admin of one of those sites and they'll verify and link it |
| 02:36.44 | stew | you can put howtos on wiki.debian.org |
| 02:36.59 | Gnea | stew: we're referring to laptops |
| 02:37.33 | stew | you can put laptop howtos on wiki.debian.org |
| 02:37.37 | Reiser_X | thanks |
| 02:37.40 | Reiser_X | good sites |
| 02:38.14 | Gnea | stew: that's stupid, why fork it? |
| 02:38.22 | zzer_ | :-d |
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| 02:38.42 | rhsanborn | Anyone know of a good, itunes-esque media library |
| 02:38.44 | rhsanborn | ? |
| 02:38.57 | jelly-home | googling for model and xorg.conf (or XF86Config, as the case may be) can also be helpful |
| 02:39.05 | HymnToLife | rhsanborn, amarok ? |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | songbird, quod libet, amarok |
| 02:39.14 | Gnea | amarok |
| 02:39.22 | rhsanborn | HymnToLife, abrotman thanks, amorak is the ticket |
| 02:39.25 | rhsanborn | Thank guys |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | though songbird is probably the closest .. but i don't think it's in debian |
| 02:39.36 | jelly-home | rhsanborn: esp. if you're using kde already |
| 02:39.45 | rhsanborn | using gnome actually |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | http://www.songbirdnest.com/ |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | rhsanborn: give quod libet a try |
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| 02:40.04 | HymnToLife | rhsanborn, amarok will still work fine |
| 02:40.07 | jelly-home | amarok is kde-ish |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | quod libet! |
| 02:40.26 | rhsanborn | abrotman, I will try quod first, and keep amarok in my back pocket :P |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | see! |
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| 02:42.27 | hellop | yey... I just chose vesa instead of via for my via chipset, and it worked. |
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| 02:45.04 | Reiser_X | there is no info to solve my problem |
| 02:45.11 | Reiser_X | Gnea |
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| 02:47.11 | streuner | Reiser_X: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
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| 02:48.16 | Gnea | Reiser_X: is it a 2366 or a 2367? |
| 02:48.54 | Reiser_X | wait |
| 02:49.07 | Gnea | it should say on a sticker on the bottom |
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| 02:50.01 | Reiser_X | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 02:51.00 | Reiser_X | this is 2366 |
| 02:52.04 | Gnea | Reiser_X: do you happen to know the model #? it should be a 3-digit alphanumeric |
| 02:52.12 | Reiser_X | ok |
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| 02:52.24 | Gnea | like 2U6 or something |
| 02:52.27 | Reiser_X | is T30 2366 85U |
| 02:52.29 | Gnea | or 111 or XXX |
| 02:52.35 | Gnea | 85U, check |
| 02:52.37 | Reiser_X | 85U |
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| 02:53.13 | cooner750 | Hello. |
| 02:53.33 | cooner750 | Is it possible to easily install Apache Tomcat? |
| 02:54.11 | Gnea | Reiser_X: do you know the max your display can handle? either 1024x768 or 1400 x 1050? |
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| 02:55.38 | Reiser_X | 1400 x 1050 |
| 02:55.38 | cooner750 | is mirrors.kernel.org having problems? |
| 02:55.38 | Gnea | !tomcat |
| 02:55.38 | dpkg | tomcat is probably a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
| 02:55.38 | Gnea | Reiser_X: nice :) sec... |
| 02:55.39 | SvenG | !screen |
| 02:55.39 | dpkg | screen is probably allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 02:55.42 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 02:55.58 | SvenG | "screen is probably allows you.."? %-/ |
| 02:56.35 | SvenG | who writes those texts, anyway? |
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| 02:56.49 | madd_matt | SvenG, I think they're automatically collected :P |
| 02:56.54 | cooner750 | Getting 404 Errors |
| 02:56.59 | madd_matt | screen is an awesome program |
| 02:57.04 | madd_matt | !screen |
| 02:57.04 | dpkg | hmm... screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 02:57.25 | Hunnur | dpkg: screen is awesome |
| 02:57.25 | dpkg | ...but screen is already something else... |
| 02:57.27 | jelly-home | SvenG: the bot randomly says "X is Y" or "[X] Y" or similar |
| 02:57.35 | Hunnur | dpkg: screen is also awesome |
| 02:57.36 | jelly-home | Hunnur: don't be evil |
| 02:57.36 | dpkg | Hunnur: okay |
| 02:58.04 | Kvant | SvenG, screen last modified by streuner |
| 02:58.17 | jelly-home | !literal screen |
| 02:58.18 | dpkg | "screen" is "allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or awesome" |
| 02:58.43 | Hunnur | it's just infobot |
| 02:58.44 | cooner750 | Anyone else having issues with mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 02:58.45 | madd_matt | I have a weird issue. When i log in, 50% of the time, my fonts seem distorted. By starting a second gdm and then switching back to my first session, they look fine again. switch to VT8, and they're garbled. Back to 7, and they're fine! |
| 02:59.19 | jelly-home | Hunnur: and filling it up with nonsense is not too helpful |
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| 02:59.54 | cooner750 | i am getting "Waiting for headers" for about 2 minutes, and then sometimes "Sub process gzip returned an error code" |
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| 03:00.11 | Reiser_X | Gnea: are you there: |
| 03:00.16 | Reiser_X | ? |
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| 03:00.22 | streuner | cooner750: just use another mirror |
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| 03:00.54 | cooner750 | o_O Errors were encountered while processing: tomcat5.5 "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 03:01.23 | seriouslycgi | how do i enable ntp at startup on debian 3.1? i remeber fedora1 had a gui to enable/disable services if there anyhting like this in dbian 3.2? |
| 03:01.28 | seriouslycgi | er i mean 3.2 |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 03:01.42 | seriouslycgi | damn 3.1 |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | do you mean ntpd or just the client ? |
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| 03:01.47 | seriouslycgi | to update the time |
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| 03:01.53 | abrotman | install ntpdate |
| 03:02.16 | streuner | cooner750: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:02.31 | cooner750 | Well I figured out why the error was |
| 03:02.39 | seriouslycgi | ok thanks um what does ntp do? i apt-got ( :P ) ntp i thought it was right |
| 03:02.44 | Gnea | Reiser_X: http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/T30+linux/ |
| 03:02.45 | cooner750 | Tomcat could not start because there was "No Java JDK found" |
| 03:02.53 | Gnea | Reiser_X: there's an X config file there |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: a bit more .. you probably want just ntpdate |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | cooner750: uhm .. tomcat *needs* java |
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| 03:03.08 | cooner750 | I figured it only needed the runtime |
| 03:03.16 | cooner750 | Does the free java sdk work for it? |
| 03:03.17 | streuner | Gnea: this videocard should work out of the box |
| 03:03.22 | cooner750 | or do I have to install the full JDK ? |
| 03:03.23 | streuner | even with xfree86 |
| 03:03.41 | Gnea | streuner: right, but he's having problems getting it up to full spec |
| 03:03.57 | streuner | maybe xfree86 doesn't support that? |
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| 03:04.14 | Gnea | maybe the way he configured it was wonky |
| 03:04.15 | streuner | keep in mind, ubuntu use xorg... |
| 03:04.26 | Gnea | no, it's supported |
| 03:04.32 | cooner750 | How do I install the JDK? |
| 03:04.40 | Gnea | !java-install |
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| 03:04.53 | Gnea | oops |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | !install java |
| 03:04.54 | dpkg | methinks install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 03:04.54 | Gnea | !install java |
| 03:05.15 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 03:05.30 | abrotman | weee! |
| 03:05.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | gonads and strife .. |
| 03:05.50 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | it's a flash thing .. google for it |
| 03:06.05 | streuner | donats and steaks |
| 03:06.13 | dvs | oooooooooooooookay |
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| 03:06.22 | abrotman | dvs: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee.php |
| 03:06.23 | Gnea | penile implants and boob jobs |
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| 03:06.41 | mysthic_touch | Hello :) |
| 03:06.57 | seriouslycgi | thanks abrotman |
| 03:06.57 | Reiser_X | Gnea |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | dvs: you sohuld watch it :) |
| 03:07.07 | Reiser_X | what line i have to change? |
| 03:07.13 | dvs | i am |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: ? |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: oh ok :) |
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| 03:07.47 | Gnea | Reiser_X: no idea, you're the one with the configs in front of you - trial and error is a good thing :) |
| 03:07.57 | mysthic_touch | I'm sorry i have one question ... somente knows if they will do kernel-image to amd64 duo core? in debian i386?! |
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| 03:08.06 | mysthic_touch | smp |
| 03:08.11 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 03:08.11 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:08.31 | streuner | duo core is Intel, isn't it? |
| 03:08.36 | dvs | what the hell was that!?!?!? |
| 03:08.42 | mysthic_touch | Gnea i'm using the etch i386 i give up the 64 |
| 03:08.44 | Gnea | !fgi |
| 03:08.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | dvs: i first saw it a long time ago .. and i still can't stop laughing every time i see it |
| 03:08.56 | bib | lol |
| 03:09.13 | bib | fake64 would be an orphan soon |
| 03:09.15 | dvs | abrotman: I guess I have to be high or drunk to enjoy it. :-% |
| 03:09.27 | abrotman | dvs: i'm neither .. and never have been when viewing it |
| 03:09.41 | Gnea | mysthic_touch: if you're not using it in 64bit mode, then don't bother trying to unlock 64bit options on it |
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| 03:10.06 | Gnea | which reminds me.. i should hook my em64t back up |
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| 03:10.47 | mysthic_touch | gnea ok forget then i check a litle more thanks :) |
| 03:10.55 | Gnea | mysthic_touch: good luck :) |
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| 03:13.37 | garotosopa | Gnea, I have a standalone samba server and winxp clients. do I need winbind? |
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| 03:15.25 | Gnea | garotosopa: only if you're setting up a PDC/DC |
| 03:15.40 | Gnea | or an ADS |
| 03:15.43 | garotosopa | no. just sharing directories |
| 03:15.48 | Gnea | nah |
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| 03:16.06 | garotosopa | so I just killall winbindd ? |
| 03:16.18 | Gnea | no |
| 03:16.40 | Gnea | you should control samba with /etc/init.d/samba {start|stop|restart} |
| 03:16.43 | Reiser_X | Gnea: when i modify XF86Config-4, have i to restart the laptop? |
| 03:16.54 | Gnea | Reiser_X: no, just X |
| 03:17.05 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 03:17.10 | Reiser_X | i will be back |
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| 03:17.22 | bib | terminator? |
| 03:17.42 | Reiser_X | i make a XF86Config-4_Back and create another XF86Config with data you send me |
| 03:17.44 | Gnea | AL BE BACK! GET TO THE CHOPPER!!@ |
| 03:17.45 | Reiser_X | let me test |
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| 03:20.08 | niru | I want to help in translation in hindi |
| 03:20.14 | niru | whome I need to contact |
| 03:20.21 | niru | who is going to give me task |
| 03:20.31 | streuner | well, for what app.? |
| 03:21.41 | abrotman | dvs: WEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 03:21.47 | dvs | heh |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | you can't help laughing .. admit it! |
| 03:22.17 | dvs | I actually never laughed. I was more perplexed than anything |
| 03:22.21 | niru | streuner:may be for any small application that I can complete soon as a starter |
| 03:22.23 | Azar | hahahahahahahaha.... this is good one: winbutu |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | dvs: watch it again! |
| 03:22.27 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 03:22.38 | abrotman | winbuntu you mean ? |
| 03:22.45 | dvs | abrotman: I don't have enough alcohol to watch it again. |
| 03:22.46 | Azar | abrotman: yes |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | dvs: do it! |
| 03:23.11 | Azar | I think they decided ubuntu is too hard for beginners... |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | Azar: it's also OT .. |
| 03:23.57 | Azar | oh yes |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | dvs: watch it again! |
| 03:24.48 | dvs | !lart me |
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| 03:25.28 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:25.52 | abrotman | dvs: gonads and strife! |
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| 03:31.24 | niru | streuner:? |
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| 03:33.46 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:33.51 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to debug cronjob ? |
| 03:34.00 | abrotman | have it mail you the output |
| 03:34.03 | lkthomas | seems that my defined job are not running |
| 03:35.24 | cooner750 | Ok I have Tomcat 5.5 installed and running, but i cannot access the web admin at port 8080 (is that right?) |
| 03:35.47 | larsl | cooner750: 'netstat -lpA inet' to see where it's listening. |
| 03:36.32 | cooner750 | what will it's Program name be? tomcat? |
| 03:37.17 | larsl | No idea, sorry. |
| 03:37.26 | larsl | I don't even know what Tomcat is. |
| 03:37.30 | cooner750 | if it started it using /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start... |
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| 03:42.35 | cooner750 | Does Tomcat listen on 8080 by default in Debian? |
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| 03:44.56 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
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| 03:49.22 | Azar | man all the big OS guys will have a fest in Napa winery in California... geee.. the best fest ever |
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| 03:50.01 | Azar | nobody here big ding in Open Source? |
| 03:50.26 | liable | big ding? |
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| 03:50.42 | Azar | like big leader or something |
| 03:51.21 | larsl | I'm building a 2.6.20 kernel, can I just boot to it and have everything work as usual (other packages are current Etch) or do I have to rebuild something else as well? |
| 03:51.22 | Azar | ewwwww nevermind, " sponsored by NEC, Novell, MS, OpenLogic... no wonder such an expensive place |
| 03:52.17 | Azar | ....hmm the C source version to be same? |
| 03:52.39 | liable | Azar: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 03:52.53 | Azar | liable: thinktank |
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| 03:53.13 | Azar | n/m some os wannabees |
| 03:53.38 | stew | larsl: what version are you replacing? |
| 03:53.42 | Azar | liable: http://linuxpr.com/releases/9361.html |
| 03:53.52 | larsl | stew: 2.6.18 |
| 03:54.00 | stew | larsl: no problem then |
| 03:54.06 | dooglus | my wireless card is running version slowly, and syslog keeps showing messages like "kernel: TKIP: replay detected: STA=00:17:31:d6:96:79 previous TSC 000000310f77 received TSC 000000310" over and over. |
| 03:54.11 | larsl | stew: Great, thanks. |
| 03:54.11 | dooglus | any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:56.08 | Gnea | dooglus: what wireless card and what branch/kernel? |
| 03:56.10 | Gnea | !branch |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, branch is knoppixubuntu or whatever |
| 03:56.17 | Gnea | uhm |
| 03:56.42 | Gnea | !branch |
| 03:56.42 | dpkg | [branch] what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
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| 03:56.55 | wugglix | Hey |
| 03:56.59 | liable | wonder if someone is trying deauth |
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| 03:57.40 | wugglix | Has anyone gotten any linux distros to run sucessfully on an IBM T60 |
| 03:57.46 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:57.46 | dpkg | i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 03:58.10 | wugglix | Why thank you kind young unisexual internet user |
| 03:58.36 | linux2 | can someone help me out with jabber |
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| 03:58.40 | linux2 | im starting the service |
| 03:58.41 | linux2 | and its running |
| 03:58.49 | liable | wugglix: debian works fine on the t60 |
| 03:58.53 | linux2 | but its not showing up when i nmap, so its not really running |
| 03:58.59 | linux2 | anyone know about this? |
| 03:59.12 | wugglix | Would it be possiblle to install debain to a USB flashdrive? |
| 03:59.17 | wugglix | er, USB hard drive |
| 03:59.31 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 03:59.31 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 03:59.45 | wugglix | oh hoorah |
| 04:00.15 | iLLf8d | wugglix, its just hard to get it on the flash drive |
| 04:00.28 | iLLf8d | external usb should be easier |
| 04:00.34 | larsl | I bet it takes a reeeaaaally long time to install. |
| 04:00.37 | wugglix | Well I've got a 160gb External WD passport |
| 04:00.47 | iLLf8d | yeah should be fine I think |
| 04:00.49 | bib | I consider to install linux on the usbkey is doing a test for vendors |
| 04:00.57 | wugglix | And I want to go to school and boot to linux to feel awesome |
| 04:01.04 | iLLf8d | larsl, actually no not really (depends on what you call really long) |
| 04:01.19 | iLLf8d | larsl, iirc mine took like 30-60 min |
| 04:01.24 | larsl | iLLf8d: It's got to be quite a bit slower than to an IDE disk though? |
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| 04:01.56 | iLLf8d | its slower yes but not crawling |
| 04:01.59 | Reiser_X | Gnea |
| 04:02.05 | Reiser_X | i had some problems |
| 04:02.20 | Reiser_X | finally it run with 1024 x 768 |
| 04:02.30 | Reiser_X | but some icons no appear |
| 04:02.44 | Bogus8 | where does debian store the fact that the web root is /var/www ...I know it's there but can't find it... it's not in the apache2.conf |
| 04:02.50 | Reiser_X | and my WideScreen monitor can work |
| 04:03.04 | iLLf8d | Bogus8, read the README file in the /etc/apache path |
| 04:03.09 | wugglix | If someone wouldnt mind kinda helping me with some questions on AIM, thatd be cool..I dont wanna spam the chat with questions |
| 04:03.11 | wugglix | :D |
| 04:03.13 | Bogus8 | iLLf8d: what I concept ;) |
| 04:03.22 | wugglix | my aim is "wugglix" too |
| 04:03.31 | iLLf8d | seriously its quite important for apache2 |
| 04:03.31 | bib | ??? |
| 04:03.32 | stew | wugglix: if they questions are debian related please just ask them here |
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| 04:03.46 | stew | iLLf8d: /etc/apace2/sites-enabled/default or something like that |
| 04:03.47 | Bogus8 | iLLf8d: wait there is no readme in there |
| 04:03.58 | iLLf8d | maybe its /etc/apache2 |
| 04:04.11 | Bogus8 | I know where the dir is but there is no readme |
| 04:04.23 | larsl | Bogus8: Maybe it's in a separate doc package? |
| 04:04.25 | iLLf8d | theres one in mine |
| 04:04.37 | iLLf8d | it descibes the paths layout the symlinks and scripts setup |
| 04:04.41 | Bogus8 | not here, if you would like I could pastebin it :o |
| 04:04.56 | Bogus8 | larsl: might be right... I'll grep a locate |
| 04:05.00 | iLLf8d | well check /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz then |
| 04:05.25 | iLLf8d | whats the pastebin of choice in here |
| 04:05.34 | Guerin | iLLf8d: the one you use |
| 04:05.38 | stew | not pastebin.com |
| 04:05.41 | Bogus8 | only have "README"s in the error and icons dirs |
| 04:05.58 | stew | Bogus8: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default or something similar |
| 04:05.59 | Bogus8 | word, that thing is slow! |
| 04:06.00 | iLLf8d | hrm I dunno they may have changed the packaging and or location |
| 04:06.05 | Bogus8 | stew: thanks |
| 04:06.12 | iLLf8d | lemme paste the contents to some pastebin one sec |
| 04:06.20 | stew | feel free |
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| 04:07.06 | Bogus8 | that would be good, if it's important for debian... in FC3 it was all in the config |
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| 04:08.00 | iLLf8d | pastebin is slow as shit I'll paste it as soon as it refreshes |
| 04:08.09 | iLLf8d | http://pastebin.com/864685 |
| 04:08.14 | Bogus8 | iLLf8d: yeah, I use pastebin.ca |
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| 04:10.23 | damog | how it was in bash to perform an action to all files but the specified? something like rm -rf !foo? |
| 04:10.54 | abrotman | xargs or a for loop |
| 04:11.00 | Guerin | damog: been trying to figure that one out for ages |
| 04:11.31 | stew | echo * | grep -v foo | xargs rm -rf ? |
| 04:11.31 | damog | no, it was even simpler |
| 04:11.41 | damog | IIRC |
| 04:12.00 | damog | with a bash environment flag or something similar |
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| 04:12.12 | stew | extglob |
| 04:12.14 | abrotman | find ? |
| 04:12.16 | stew | or something |
| 04:13.14 | damog | stew: yeah, something like that |
| 04:13.53 | abrotman | man bash ... /extglob |
| 04:14.19 | damog | right: shopt -s extglob; rm -rf !(notthis.ext) |
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| 04:14.42 | abrotman | that's easier ? |
| 04:15.29 | damog | well, not easier, but simpler |
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| 04:16.46 | dondelelcaro | blech. far better to use find and xargs |
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| 04:20.07 | roue | hola |
| 04:21.04 | roue | I'm trying to install etch rc1 from the netinstall iso image. I used the same cd to install this laptop a few weeks ago and it worked fine. I've tried to install it twice on my desktop and it keeps hanging on openbsd-inetd. Any ideas? thanks. |
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| 04:22.05 | Gnea | roue: you have have hit a bug, since etch isn't stable just yet - check the bug tracker |
| 04:22.08 | Gnea | !bts |
| 04:22.08 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 04:23.07 | roue | thanks Gnea. Glad I'm not going crazy. |
| 04:23.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:26.02 | roue | Gnea do you know any of the details of that openbsd-inetd bug? the only outstanding one seems to be quite old. |
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| 04:26.37 | roue | as in, I'd have guessed it would have broken my laptop install too, but it didn't. |
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| 04:35.44 | jason_ | hey |
| 04:35.57 | jason_ | can anyone recommend a free web based POP client? |
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| 04:36.32 | GeorgeS069 | jason_: Do you mean POP3 ? |
| 04:36.45 | jason_ | yes |
| 04:36.45 | GeorgeS069 | aka email |
| 04:36.55 | jason_ | sorry i wasn't specific |
| 04:37.03 | jason_ | i wanted to use squirrelmail, but its only IMAP |
| 04:37.07 | jason_ | any alternatives? |
| 04:37.56 | GeorgeS069 | I was just going to usggest that...I thought it worked with pop3 also |
| 04:38.15 | jason_ | not without a heap of trouble |
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| 04:38.20 | jason_ | i need something simple |
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| 04:39.31 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not sure if there is anything else |
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| 04:41.01 | minerale | how can I see how popular a package is ? |
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| 04:41.29 | Rusty1 | jason_: http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ , dunno |
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| 04:42.40 | jason_ | thanks Rusty1, but im looking for a web based one |
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| 04:43.45 | jelly-home | minerale: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 04:43.47 | jelly-home | !popcon |
| 04:43.47 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:43.49 | Gnea | jason_: imap is typically used for web-based email clients - why pop? |
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| 04:44.42 | jason_ | Gmail doesn't use imap |
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| 04:45.03 | Gnea | oh |
| 04:45.07 | jelly-home | gmail also has its own web gui, doesn't it |
| 04:45.08 | Gnea | then use dovecot as a backend |
| 04:45.09 | jason_ | i know there already is a web interface for gmail, but i want one local for our users |
| 04:45.16 | jason_ | dovecot? |
| 04:45.19 | jason_ | i haven't heard of it |
| 04:45.23 | Gnea | yeah, it supports pop and imap |
| 04:45.26 | abrotman | i think horde will let you |
| 04:45.29 | Gnea | apt-cache search dovecot |
| 04:45.35 | stew | abrotman: he said simple |
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| 04:45.55 | abrotman | stew: there are worse ones .. i think |
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| 04:45.58 | jelly-home | horde/imp !~ /simple/ |
| 04:46.06 | abrotman | oh it's not that bad |
| 04:46.08 | Gnea | jason_: i'm gonna guess that you want the server to snag email from gmail accounts and then read it on the squirrelmail server? |
| 04:46.16 | stew | its that bad |
| 04:46.34 | jelly-home | well squirrel is lots easiet to set up |
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| 04:47.12 | Gnea | doesn't fetchmail work with gmail? |
| 04:47.21 | GeorgeS069 | Dovecot isn't hard...I set it up |
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| 04:48.40 | Gnea | http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMailAndDovecotIMAP |
| 04:50.20 | jason_ | ugh, i think i've broken apt-get |
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| 04:50.33 | jason_ | it keeps erroring and asking me to apt-get install -f |
| 04:50.56 | jason_ | It's trying to install php4-pear.. then it errors |
| 04:51.01 | jason_ | i already have php5 on here |
| 04:51.07 | Gnea | apt-get -f install |
| 04:52.01 | Bogus8 | what would cause a ethernet card not to pick up it's DHCP address on boot but yet work when you type dhclient |
| 04:52.01 | abrotman | i think it's php-db causing it |
| 04:52.05 | jason_ | when i type that it asks to install php4-pear again |
| 04:52.25 | stew | jason_: apt-get remove php4-pear |
| 04:52.39 | Gnea | Bogus8: incorrect /etc/network/interfaces setup |
| 04:52.40 | stew | Bogus8: not having it set to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:52.42 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 04:52.43 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 04:52.55 | Bogus8 | but then why would dhclient work? |
| 04:53.02 | stew | Bogus8: why wouldn't it? |
| 04:53.04 | Gnea | because you're using dhclient by hand |
| 04:53.09 | Gnea | !dhcp client |
| 04:53.09 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 04:53.17 | Bogus8 | well, unless it's set in the interfaces it won't look |
| 04:53.26 | Bogus8 | doesn't dhclient essentially do the same as when you boot? |
| 04:53.26 | jason_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:53.26 | Gnea | that's right |
| 04:53.26 | jason_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.26 | jason_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:53.37 | jason_ | oh no! |
| 04:53.41 | Gnea | Bogus8: not unless you tell it to in the interfaces file |
| 04:53.49 | Gnea | jason_: apt-get remove php4-pear :) |
| 04:53.56 | jason_ | that doesn't work either |
| 04:54.01 | Bogus8 | Gnea: so dhclient ignores what is in the interface file? |
| 04:54.11 | jason_ | i get "unmet dependencies" |
| 04:54.13 | stew | jason_: show us the output of "apt-get remove php4-pear". use a pastebin |
| 04:54.13 | Gnea | why do i feel like i'm beating a dead horse? |
| 04:54.14 | Bogus8 | I told it to be dhcp on install also |
| 04:54.33 | Gnea | Bogus8: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file to the paster please? |
| 04:54.33 | Gnea | !paster |
| 04:54.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:54.34 | stew | Bogus8: put your /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin |
| 04:54.40 | Bogus8 | Gnea: sorry just seems odd... but I'm comparing it to windows so I guess I shouldn't do that |
| 04:55.18 | jason_ | http://pastebin.ca/324309 |
| 04:55.19 | Gnea | Bogus8: well, most users come from windows, so it's understandable - it's just the syntax is different |
| 04:55.22 | jason_ | that's the output |
| 04:55.29 | Bogus8 | http://www.pastebin.ca/324310 |
| 04:55.32 | Bogus8 | btw, it is in there |
| 04:55.48 | stew | Bogus8: its not set to auto |
| 04:55.50 | Gnea | jason_: ok, remove horde3 |
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| 04:56.03 | Bogus8 | stew: ah, I kinda saw that and wondered |
| 04:56.15 | Gnea | Bogus8: ok - what sort of network card is it, exactly? |
| 04:56.25 | Bogus8 | stew: why wouldn't it set it to auto when I install saying it was dhcp? |
| 04:56.37 | jason_ | http://pastebin.ca/324311 |
| 04:56.46 | jason_ | ive really screwed this up |
| 04:56.49 | stew | jason_: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to sort it all out |
| 04:56.58 | jason_ | synaptic? |
| 04:57.11 | Bogus8 | Gnea: it's a 3Com PCI 3c905B |
| 04:57.11 | stew | aptitude |
| 04:57.34 | Gnea | Bogus8: ok, then change 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto' |
| 04:57.50 | Gnea | Bogus8: it's not a pcmcia or usb nic, so 'allow-hotplug' doesn't apply |
| 04:58.06 | Bogus8 | Gnea: ok... not sure why it wasn't that way by default but I'm just glad to fix it |
| 04:58.11 | minerale | two questions: where can I get some kind of overview of how the debian sytem is organised - and how does one become a maintainer/developer & are any needed ? |
| 04:58.21 | Gnea | Bogus8: that's what we're here for :) |
| 04:58.45 | Bogus8 | Gnea: haha.. thanks... it's actually a buddy's box.. my servers are static |
| 04:58.50 | Gnea | minerale: a) install it, use it, break it, fix it, learn it. b) sec.... |
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| 04:59.05 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg mg ; maybe install and read maint-guide and debian-reference and read /usr/share/doc/pgkname |
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| 04:59.13 | minerale | gnea: I meant the debian organisation, no the os |
| 04:59.22 | Gnea | !developer |
| 04:59.22 | dpkg | developer is probably a closed circle, whose members contain the elite of the elite, the best of the best, so damn good they make the rest of us look like morons. It is very hard to become a developer at the moment. |
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| 04:59.34 | chronographe1 | hi all Just wondering if there is a simple gui program to manage wifi access points? |
| 04:59.47 | Gnea | minerale: you're best bet then is to dive in - http://www.debian.org and get on some mailing lists - they have lots of archives as well |
| 04:59.52 | stew | minerale: read the constitution |
| 05:00.23 | jason_ | well ive fixed it, thankfully |
| 05:00.24 | Gnea | chronographe1: wifi-radar and kwifimanager |
| 05:00.25 | jason_ | :) |
| 05:00.27 | jason_ | thanks guys |
| 05:00.34 | Gnea | jason_: cool |
| 05:01.18 | chronographe1 | thx |
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| 05:04.19 | jason_ | apparently debian backports.org has php 5.2.0, but when i upgraded it didn't seem to be that version |
| 05:04.46 | stew | jason_: did you pin php with /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 05:05.03 | jason_ | no, i didnt know about that. i'll see if i can now |
| 05:05.19 | stew | jason_: you'd have to pin every php package |
| 05:05.42 | stew | jason_: its just that unless you pinned, it wouldn't use backports over stable |
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| 05:07.18 | jason_ | i'm just trying to figure out how to do it :) |
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| 05:07.43 | stew | jason_: apt-get -t sarge-backports install php5 |
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| 05:09.25 | jason_ | thanks stew, that's awesome :D |
| 05:10.28 | jason_ | one thing, though.. it says this: |
| 05:10.29 | jason_ | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 05:10.29 | jason_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.38 | jason_ | i use php5-json, will this be a problem? |
| 05:10.43 | jason_ | stupid question, now that i read it again |
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| 05:12.33 | medc | hello |
| 05:12.42 | medc | i got an html and a php file |
| 05:12.51 | medc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:13.37 | stew | jason_: try: apt-get -t sarge-backports install php5 php5-json |
| 05:13.50 | PumpkinPie | I have a raid5 configuration between three sata drives. Im using a lsi megaraid 150-4 and I get only 75 mb/s read speed ? |
| 05:13.56 | minerale | is there really a 'large backlog of applicants' in the system? (applying for dev) |
| 05:14.06 | PumpkinPie | is that normal? |
| 05:14.41 | jason_ | medc: have you tried putting the php file in your web directory (probably /var/www) and run it in a web browser? |
| 05:15.07 | medc | jason_, on my way |
| 05:15.12 | stew | minerale: not currently. 1 waiting on fd, one waiting on dam: https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php |
| 05:15.17 | stew | err 2 waiting on dam |
| 05:15.23 | jason_ | stew: I'm getting an error here: php5-json: Depends: phpapi-20051025 |
| 05:15.35 | jason_ | i guess its incompatible |
| 05:15.43 | bwlang | PumpkinPie: 3 drive raid 5 is quite slow... but i don't know about what's reasonable on your hardware. I don't use less than 5 drives for a raid5 config. |
| 05:16.15 | stew | jason_: put the output of "apt-cache policy php5-json" into a pastebin |
| 05:16.33 | jason_ | ok |
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| 05:17.16 | jason_ | http://pastebin.ca/324321 |
| 05:17.19 | medc | jason_, nop doesnt worl |
| 05:17.48 | stew | jason_: so you installed php5-json from some unofficial repository that you no longer seem to have configured |
| 05:18.11 | stew | jason_: and backports doesn't seem to provide it. |
| 05:18.24 | jason_ | hmm |
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| 05:18.31 | jason_ | im trying to think of where i got it |
| 05:19.27 | stew | jason_: dotdeb.org is another common source of php5 for stable |
| 05:19.38 | stew | (although typically of lower quality than bpo) |
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| 05:33.18 | bdheeman | I have some broken packages, I understand that dlocate -du <pkg> can calculate disk usage, Now how do I compute the Installed-size for a package to manually make a correction in /var/lib/dpkg/status file? |
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| 05:39.49 | medc | anyone here use is veteran in php? |
| 05:40.23 | dendrite | medc: Just ask your real question. |
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| 05:41.53 | medc | i have an online form....i want to store the forms and give time to leave the car @ place @time and pick up @time @place |
| 05:42.53 | dendrite | medc: OK, so you have some php question, and you have some form. What, precisely, are you asking? |
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| 05:44.05 | medc | a way to store the form, show them in a table at the server |
| 05:44.44 | dendrite | medc: Perhaps you think this is #psychics... I have no idea what you're hoping to get help with. |
| 05:45.02 | dendrite | medc: Hint: Ask *very* specific questions. |
| 05:45.05 | dondelelcaro | medc: if you have questions about PHP, the right place to ask is #php |
| 05:45.35 | Bogus8 | anyway to flip xterm switches w/o a mouse? |
| 05:45.36 | medc | dendrite, sorry for bother |
| 05:45.48 | Bogus8 | I usually ctrl right click to turn on "alt sends escape" |
| 05:45.57 | Bogus8 | but I don't have my touchpad turned off right now |
| 05:46.09 | Bogus8 | err.. it's turned off is what I mean |
| 05:46.22 | dendrite | medc: If you have a Debian issue/question, we'd behappy to help. But we can't see what you're seeing, or know what you'r thinking, unless you fill us in. |
| 05:46.39 | medc | ok |
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| 05:51.18 | dirkson | Hey all... I'm trying to use Debian's partitioner in the installer... But whenever I finish creating a new partition, my drive shrinks from 4.3 GB to 500-some MB... What's going on? |
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| 05:51.57 | dirkson | And my 18 GB drive shrinks to 5 GB... |
| 05:52.27 | stoned | dirkson, cold will do tha |
| 05:52.28 | peterS | dirkson: that's a good question. how are you observing the disk size that you say is shrinking? |
| 05:53.22 | Bogus8 | lol @ stoned |
| 05:54.11 | dirkson | petemc, The drives' sizes are labeled in their names. Also, the partitioner tells me that they are 4 and 18, respectively, after I've created a new partition table, but reports differently after I've made my first partition |
| 05:54.34 | minerale | is anyon here familiar with gawk? I have a line that looks like this: SSH_AGENT_PID=3361; export SSH_AGENT_PID; and I'm trying to extract just the pid (3361) |
| 05:54.56 | peterS | dirkson: that's odd. I imagine it's just a display bug. try this: hit alt-f2 then when you get a shell prompt, 'fdisk -l' |
| 05:54.57 | dirkson | peterrooney, Perhaps there's a problem with sun partition tables? It's not doing it under other table systems.... |
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| 05:55.18 | dondelelcaro | minerale: why do that using gawk? |
| 05:55.26 | dirkson | peterS, I'l SSH-ing in. Can I switch prompts? |
| 05:55.27 | dondelelcaro | minerale: it seems that you want to just source that file. |
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| 05:55.40 | peterS | dirkson: oh, this is with Sun partition tables? Sun partition tables have an odd property of using partition #3 for the "whole disk". if something messes up partition #3, maybe that would cause this |
| 05:55.54 | dondelelcaro | minerale: but regardless, awk -F= '/^SSH_AGENT_PID/{print $2}' will do it |
| 05:56.21 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Won't that print the trailing ';' ? |
| 05:56.27 | dirkson | peterS, Could be. Would it hurt anything to use a different partitioning? I don't care if solaris can read my partition tables... |
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| 05:57.02 | peterS | dirkson: well, openboot needs to be able to boot the disk. it might require a Sun disklabel for this. but for other (non-boot) disks in the system, use whatever you want |
| 05:57.06 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: true. |
| 05:57.14 | minerale | thankd dondelelcaro, actually in my case this is an login file alias that's evaluated at login time so sourcing it won't do it, thanks again |
| 05:57.20 | bdheeman | minerale: gawk -F= '/^SSH_AGENT_PID/ {print $2}' # --> 3361; |
| 05:57.24 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: And then some, now that I realize that minerale's got a lot of stuff on that line.. |
| 05:57.29 | dondelelcaro | minerale: of course sourcing it would work. |
| 05:57.36 | peterS | dirkson: to be honest, I don't remember the disk boot code arrangement on Sparcs |
| 05:57.41 | dirkson | peterS, Gotcha. So I'm stuck with making it work. |
| 05:57.53 | dondelelcaro | that's the whole point of the ssh-agent file |
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| 05:58.36 | dirkson | peterS, I can't seem to access alt+F2 from either SSH, or my serial cable connection. Any ideas? |
| 05:58.56 | peterS | dirkson: right, I assumed you were at a linux virtual console, alt-f2 means nothing outside that |
| 05:59.04 | peterS | dirkson: anyway, I suggest asking in #debian-sparc, which I think is on this network - but it may have moved to irc.oftc.net |
| 05:59.15 | dirkson | peterS, Oh! Neato : ) |
| 05:59.17 | minerale | dondelelcaro: here's what I have "alias keyon="sourcekey; if ! kill -0 $SSH_AGENT_PID &>/dev/null; then keyagent && addkey; fi"" -> thus when I call keyon I want the agent to start if dead and the key to be loaded, except that $SSH_AGENT_PID is evaluated when the shell is started and the alias will be looking for the wrong pid |
| 05:59.19 | peterS | they have more experience with sun partition tables and debian-installer than I do, I'm sure |
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| 06:00.12 | peterS | dirkson: also - what version of the installer? is this debian 3.1, or debian 4.0 rc1, or...? |
| 06:00.20 | dendrite | minerale: This will do it: gawk -F'[=;]' '/^SSH_AGENT_PID/ {print $2}' |
| 06:00.26 | muhoo | i vaguelly recall stumbling across some way using ACPI to re-route interrupts using boot args |
| 06:00.26 | peterS | whoever answers your question will probably need to know that |
| 06:00.39 | dirkson | peterS, Debian etch? : ) |
| 06:00.41 | muhoo | i really need that. got to move a copule shared interrupts around |
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| 06:01.12 | dondelelcaro | minerale: see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/base/.bashrc for an example that does just that. |
| 06:01.17 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, it's rather complete) |
| 06:01.19 | peterS | dirkson: last time I installed on a sparc was back when sarge (debian 3.1) was still in development, so that's the last I've seen of debian-installer and sun partition tables. I fixed one little bug with that, as I recall. |
| 06:02.33 | dirkson | peterS, Awesome ^.^ |
| 06:02.55 | dirkson | peterS, This is my first attempt at both Debian, and installing Linux on a sparc. I'm giddy : ) |
| 06:03.13 | peterS | dirkson: I was using a serial console, too ... _and_ ssh. that was fun. (ssh to a machine many miles away, then ran 'minicom' on that machine to get a serial console to the sparc) |
| 06:03.31 | dirkson | peterS, AWESOME :D |
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| 06:04.22 | minerale | dondelelcaro: oh wow, that's complicated too, here's mine: http://www.pastebin.ca/324348 (based entirely on aliases) |
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| 06:19.54 | sparr_ | i have a debian CD. is there any way i can install from it on a machine without cd boot capability? is there some sort of 'bootstrap' (not to overstretch the term) floppy, or do i need a full set of installation floppies? |
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| 06:23.37 | peterS | sparr_: for etch, use 3 floppies: boot.img, root.img, cd-drivers.img |
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| 06:24.32 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 06:24.34 | dondelelcaro | although, I presonally find it easier to just do a harddrive transplant |
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| 06:24.54 | GeorgeS069 | or use a usb key |
| 06:24.55 | lkthomas | I try to use cronjob echo "1" > /root/test.log with * * * * * , nothing happen |
| 06:25.36 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: give us the crontab -l line |
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| 06:26.02 | dirkson | Hey all. Does Debian Etch use reiser 3 or reiser 4? |
| 06:26.08 | lkthomas | 3 |
| 06:26.10 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: dont have any other HDs that will work in it |
| 06:26.11 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: and second, make sure that cron itself is running, and check the auth log) |
| 06:26.13 | stoned | goddamn cable modem |
| 06:26.17 | sparr_ | GeorgeS069: no USB :( |
| 06:26.24 | lkthomas | dondelelcaro, it is running |
| 06:26.33 | dirkson | lkthomas, Okie, thanks : ) From what I understand, XFS and Reiser3 are about the same, eh? |
| 06:26.45 | dirkson | Speed/stability wise. |
| 06:26.46 | lkthomas | dirkson, no |
| 06:26.48 | peterS | xfs is considered somewhat less unsafe to trust your data to |
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| 06:26.51 | lkthomas | dirkson, xfs is slower |
| 06:26.59 | dirkson | lkthomas, Really? Stability? |
| 06:27.01 | lkthomas | dirkson, but reiserfs is hardware depends |
| 06:27.16 | dirkson | lkthomas, Old Sun scsi. |
| 06:27.17 | dondelelcaro | which is slower is rather dependent on the operation. |
| 06:27.27 | lkthomas | dirkson, if you overclock your CPU, you are most likely to crash your reiserfs |
| 06:27.28 | dondelelcaro | Unfortunatly, neither of them have particularly stellar reliability |
| 06:27.39 | lkthomas | dirkson, I am using reiserfs for production server |
| 06:27.44 | lkthomas | can not stand for ext3 slow speed |
| 06:27.54 | dirkson | lkthomas, I dislike ext3 as well. |
| 06:27.56 | GeorgeS069 | use raid or lvm |
| 06:28.01 | lkthomas | dirkson, yeah |
| 06:28.05 | peterS | lkthomas: hope you have a really good UPS. reiserfs sucks pretty hard if you ever unexpectedly lose power |
| 06:28.17 | dirkson | GeorgeS069, I never understood; what use is LVM? |
| 06:28.33 | lkthomas | peterS, it didn't fucked up |
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| 06:28.38 | GeorgeS069 | Logical Volume Manager I think |
| 06:28.44 | lkthomas | peterS, I did couple of time for switching off on live |
| 06:28.46 | lkthomas | nothing happen |
| 06:28.50 | lkthomas | just scan and reverse |
| 06:29.00 | lkthomas | of course, pending writing data are gone |
| 06:29.02 | dirkson | peterS, No UPS... But that box won't have any useful stuffs on it. Just a few programs, a few settings, which I can back up manually. |
| 06:29.05 | GeorgeS069 | !lvm |
| 06:29.05 | dpkg | i guess lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 06:29.29 | lkthomas | * * * * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/postfixadmin/ADDITIONS/virtualmaildel.php > /root/delmail.log |
| 06:29.32 | lkthomas | not working |
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| 06:30.19 | peterS | lkthomas: is that in /etc/crontab or root's crontab or where? |
| 06:30.28 | lkthomas | root |
| 06:31.05 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: uh... you want /usr/bin/php4, not php. |
| 06:31.19 | GeorgeS069 | use software raid...spread out the drives...1 to each ide cable and you should have all the speed you need |
| 06:31.43 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: and you would have known this if you were getting the mail from root |
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| 06:31.57 | lkthomas | dondelelcaro, I know, but no mail at all |
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| 06:46.50 | dirkson | GeorgeS069, No IDE cables. SCSI. And there's only two, and they don't move. |
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| 06:47.33 | x_link | If I want to upgrade my nVIDIA drivers to the latest, do I have to delete the ones I have right now and download new ones? |
| 06:47.43 | x_link | Or will apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade do that for me? |
| 06:48.18 | GeorgeS069 | dirkson: raid and scsi drives should give you plenty of speed |
| 06:48.45 | dirkson | GeorgeS069, Can't raid 'em- They're two different sizes. |
| 06:49.31 | GeorgeS069 | ok...so use the extra space on the larger drive for a /boot partition and a swap file |
| 06:49.48 | dondelelcaro | you can still raid the drives if they're difference sizes. |
| 06:50.11 | nvz | x_link: did you install them the debian-way or did you just download and run the nvidia installer? |
| 06:50.12 | dirkson | dondelelcaro, But one's 4 GB, and the other's 18 GB... |
| 06:50.16 | dondelelcaro | but it's not like raid (especially software raid) is a magic potion for speed; you're still limited. |
| 06:51.18 | x_link | nvz: A guy helped me with it. Don't really remember =/ |
| 06:51.52 | x_link | nvz: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9746.html I didn't do it that way. |
| 06:51.56 | x_link | Cause that way didn't work for me. |
| 06:53.39 | x_link | I must go now, I will ask when I get back home again. |
| 06:53.42 | x_link | Thanks anyway |
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| 07:02.15 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 07:02.55 | GeorgeS069 | hi ^rob^ |
| 07:03.07 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 07:03.17 | ^rob^ | i'm having some problem with MailScanner |
| 07:03.35 | ^rob^ | anyone know this service? |
| 07:03.52 | GeorgeS069 | never heard of it |
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| 07:04.25 | ^rob^ | bummer |
| 07:04.41 | Gokee2 | anyone know what I need to install to get gtk-config? |
| 07:05.04 | maddash | define 'need' |
| 07:05.16 | Guerin | maddash: `without which it won't work' |
| 07:05.20 | liable | Gokee2: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:05.33 | maddash | Guerin: 1) computer 2) keyboard 3) aptitude. and so on |
| 07:05.44 | Gokee2 | liable, I have tried |
| 07:05.59 | Gokee2 | apt-cache search gtk-config comes up with nothing |
| 07:06.02 | Guerin | maddash: i think it's fair to presume he has those installed, since he's not communicating to us via bongo drums |
| 07:06.13 | Guerin | Gokee2: just ask the bot about search |
| 07:06.16 | liable | Gokee2: you didnt actually read what dpkg said.. |
| 07:06.31 | maddash | Guerin: not necessarily. |
| 07:06.40 | maddash | Guerin: read carefully. esp. 3) |
| 07:06.51 | Guerin | maddash: i didn't say it was `necessarily' true; I said it was `fair to presume' |
| 07:07.02 | Guerin | maddash: so i suggest YOU read carefully |
| 07:07.07 | Guerin | i tend to say what I mean |
| 07:07.12 | liable | maddash: aptitude does a binary search? |
| 07:07.18 | maddash | Gokee2: if you're looking for dependencies, do the /msg to dpkg... |
| 07:07.23 | maddash | liable: why not? |
| 07:07.35 | Guerin | maddash: aside from which aptitude is BY NO MEANS necessary to install any gtiven package. |
| 07:07.46 | liable | maddash: show me your output from your aptitude search of that binary |
| 07:08.02 | maddash | liable: erm, run aptitude. |
| 07:08.14 | Guerin | liable: \n |
| 07:08.25 | Gokee2 | Ah |
| 07:08.32 | Gokee2 | So I need libgtk1.2-dev :) |
| 07:08.33 | Gokee2 | thanks |
| 07:08.38 | Guerin | hurray! |
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| 07:08.49 | maddash | Gokee2: are you trying to build it? |
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| 07:09.15 | liable | maddash: hrm, my aptitude search comes up with zip |
| 07:09.26 | maddash | liable: update cache? |
| 07:09.40 | Gokee2 | madclicker, I am trying to build tilem and it had a problem with gtk-config because I don`t have it |
| 07:09.41 | liable | maddash: show me your output |
| 07:09.46 | Gokee2 | maddash* |
| 07:10.31 | Guerin | liable: *crickets* |
| 07:10.32 | maddash | Gokee2: oh, nvm, I thought your pkg was called "gtk-config" |
| 07:10.39 | Guerin | !think |
| 07:10.39 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 07:10.49 | maddash | Guerin: erm. self-contradiction? |
| 07:10.57 | Guerin | maddash: no. |
| 07:11.01 | Guerin | maddash: yes. |
| 07:11.04 | Guerin | maddash: maybe. |
| 07:11.05 | Gokee2 | eeeepps |
| 07:11.11 | maddash | 02:06:49 <Guerin> maddash: i didn't say it was `necessarily' true; I said it was `fair to presume' |
| 07:11.17 | Gokee2 | it told me all about its many problems |
| 07:11.23 | Guerin | maddash: how is that contradictory? |
| 07:11.41 | Guerin | maddash: look up the difference between a necessary condition and a preferable condition |
| 07:11.53 | maddash | Gokee2: did you ./configure first? |
| 07:12.03 | maddash | Guerin: look up the definition of "presume" |
| 07:12.14 | Gokee2 | maddash, Should I have? It was not in the readme |
| 07:12.19 | Guerin | maddash: i know the definition of `presume', and that's precisely what I meant. |
| 07:12.19 | Gokee2 | it seems to have worked |
| 07:12.31 | maddash | Gokee2: if it works, then forget what I said |
| 07:13.12 | Guerin | hey, that's good advice! |
| 07:13.27 | maddash | guerin: gosh. you're horribly obtuse, you know? I'll give you time to figure out the logic here. |
| 07:13.56 | Guerin | maddash: no, i figured it out already. You think that i should *know* he has his system set up before I give advice. |
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| 07:14.10 | maddash | Guerin: how do you know he's even running linux? |
| 07:14.20 | Guerin | maddash: that's not how it works: in #debian we presume he has a functional install already;l without it he don't get helped. |
| 07:14.32 | liable | maddash: quit while your only marginally behind |
| 07:14.35 | Guerin | maddash: i don't *know*, I *presume* |
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| 07:14.57 | Guerin | this is quite different from *misunderstanding* the difference between him looking for a package and a file |
| 07:14.58 | maddash | Guerin: god. did it ever occur to you that "thought" = "presume"? |
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| 07:15.27 | maddash | Guerin: look up "connotative meaning" |
| 07:15.32 | Guerin | maddash: sure. but that's not a *fair* presumption. That's the difference between my presumption and yours, and why you were wrong when I wasn't. |
| 07:15.33 | liable | this *isn't* #english |
| 07:15.38 | Gokee2 | Guerin, I have got help when my debian has not worked.... eq a non-functional install |
| 07:15.40 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, folks. Just use /ignore if necessary. |
| 07:15.54 | maddash | Guerin: the issue wasn't fair or not fair. god. did you forget your "!think"? |
| 07:16.00 | maddash | Guerin: god. |
| 07:16.04 | dondelelcaro | maddash: let it go, please. |
| 07:16.11 | Guerin | no need to bring god into this |
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| 07:16.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: likewise. |
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| 07:17.29 | liable | unfortunately the original problem turned into an english lesson.. thats, that aptitude doesnt search for binaries/files |
| 07:18.29 | maddash | liable: I assumed that "gtk-config" of his choice. and aptitude searches for packages that are in-cache. |
| 07:18.50 | maddash | liable: s\of his\was the package of his |
| 07:19.06 | liable | maddash: did it not occur to you that gtk-config isnt a package, and thus prolly a binary, that aptitude wont find? |
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| 07:19.40 | maddash | liable: if it did, would we be discussing this? |
| 07:19.46 | maddash | liable: s\it\I |
| 07:21.40 | liable | Guerin: iriver s10, know anyone with one? |
| 07:22.37 | liable | i am getting annoyed trying to find a predominantly FM radio player thats a mass storage device, that supports ogg |
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| 07:26.13 | dirkson | How would I tell Debian to load the sshd daemon at boot? |
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| 07:26.42 | liable | dirkson: check /etc/default/sshd |
| 07:26.51 | dirkson | liable, Thanks! |
| 07:27.15 | Guerin | liable: nope. Only know people with m3 and x5 |
| 07:27.35 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 07:27.39 | Guerin | iaudio m3 and x5 |
| 07:27.44 | Gokee2 | I made a link with "ln -s /home/gokee2/TilEm/bin/tilem /usr/bin/tilem" however if I start tilem while not in /home/gokee2/Tilem/bin/ it says "*** unable to access 'tilem.bin' ***" Any way to make my link work? |
| 07:27.47 | Guerin | don't know anyone with an iriver |
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| 07:28.05 | Guerin | Gokee2: tilem.bin |
| 07:28.13 | Guerin | read error messages carefully |
| 07:28.20 | Guerin | comprehension is everything |
| 07:28.46 | man_in_ltop | iriver is niiiiiice |
| 07:29.08 | man_in_ltop | wish i had one |
| 07:29.20 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 07:29.23 | liable | how do you know then? |
| 07:29.24 | dirkson | *blinks* How do I get things via the command line? |
| 07:29.40 | dirkson | Pardon. How do I get new packages via the command line. I do not see apt-get |
| 07:29.55 | liable | as root |
| 07:29.56 | Gokee2 | Guerin, I don`t see anything called tilem.bin in /home/gokee2/TilEm/bin/? So where is tilem.bin? and what do I do to help it find it? |
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| 07:30.22 | man_in_ltop | dirkson, aptitude is a nice frontend, but you need to be root to install packages |
| 07:30.34 | man_in_ltop | liable, seen the specs |
| 07:30.54 | dirkson | man_in_ltop, I am root. I do not see aptitude or apt-get. |
| 07:31.09 | maddash | dirkson: `sudo aptitude` |
| 07:31.12 | liable | dirkson: what do you mean by 'see'?? |
| 07:31.16 | maddash | dirkson: define 'see' |
| 07:31.19 | man_in_ltop | dirkson, are you SURE you're using debian? |
| 07:31.28 | Gokee2 | tilem bin is in /home/gokee2/TilEm/pixmaps/tilem.bin.... however I still don`t know what to do to fix my link |
| 07:31.31 | maddash | dirkson: you mean, <tab>-keying it doesn't work? |
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| 07:31.48 | Gokee2 | tilem.bin* |
| 07:31.52 | dirkson | liable, maddash, It's not in /bin, it's not in /sbin, there bloody well /isn't/ anything in /usr/* |
| 07:32.30 | maddash | dirkson: have you tried just typing it out? "it" = the string "aptitude" |
| 07:32.31 | man_in_ltop | dirkson, you have no files/directories at all in /usr? |
| 07:32.32 | liable | dirkson: /usr/bin/aptitude |
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| 07:32.44 | dirkson | man_in_ltop, None. |
| 07:32.47 | maddash | ow |
| 07:32.48 | dirkson | liable, Not there. |
| 07:32.50 | liable | dirkson: you have bigger problems than no aptitude |
| 07:32.58 | maddash | major boo boo |
| 07:33.03 | dirkson | liable, Yeah. Where'd all the bloody files go? O.o |
| 07:33.04 | maddash | dirkson: how'd you install this? |
| 07:33.15 | man_in_ltop | dirkson, then your system is not installed properly or it has been killed |
| 07:33.16 | karsten | dirkson: Any chance you don't have /usr mounted? |
| 07:33.23 | dirkson | maddash, From the nice, friendly installer. |
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| 07:33.42 | dirkson | karsten, It's set to auto-mount in fstab. Lemme try it manually |
| 07:33.56 | man_in_ltop | run mount with no args |
| 07:34.13 | karsten | man_in_ltop: cat /proc/mounts is more reliable. |
| 07:34.17 | karsten | dirkson: ^^ |
| 07:34.22 | karsten | dirkson: ... see if it's mounted first. |
| 07:34.30 | maddash | whoa. this is arcane. |
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| 07:35.01 | dirkson | karsten, maddash, man_in_ltop Whew! It' |
| 07:35.05 | dirkson | It's not mounted : ) |
| 07:35.09 | dirkson | Now- WHY?! |
| 07:35.11 | chrismortimore | i'm trying to configure apache2 so that people on my internal network (as in 192.168.0.*) get sent to one documentroot, and people accesing from outside my network get sent to a different documentroot. does anyone know if i can do this with apache? |
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| 07:35.35 | man_in_ltop | maybe it's dead or got unmounted |
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| 07:35.37 | maddash | dirkson: lol. do you have the appropriate root partition listed in your grub menu.lst? that's /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:35.52 | dirkson | maddash, Don't have grub. Solaris uses "Silo" |
| 07:36.03 | man_in_ltop | solaris is evil |
| 07:36.12 | maddash | don't be silly. solaris is a planet. |
| 07:36.25 | man_in_ltop | i thought it was a star |
| 07:36.26 | dirkson | Er... The Sun distro of Debian uses "silo". Sorry ^^; |
| 07:36.31 | liable | um, if the root partition wasnt in menu/lst, you think the thing would boot?? |
| 07:37.15 | maddash | liable: if his root's not mounted.....then where's /usr? |
| 07:37.18 | man_in_ltop | liable, you mean grub's menu.lst? |
| 07:37.34 | maddash | liable: that's why the, "whoa this is arcane" |
| 07:37.55 | liable | maddash: how the hell do you think the box booted? he has a seperate /usr i guess |
| 07:38.08 | liable | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 07:38.10 | maddash | liable: yes, but keep in mind he used the "friendly installer" |
| 07:38.11 | dirkson | liable, Oh, of course I do, sorry : ) |
| 07:38.25 | liable | maddash: go back to #ubuntu |
| 07:38.30 | man_in_ltop | liable, probably not |
| 07:38.31 | karsten | dirkson: Well, mount it. Might want to go through your boot logs, etc. |
| 07:38.31 | dirkson | maddash, Debian n00b, linux oldbie : ) |
| 07:38.33 | maddash | liable: LOL |
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| 07:38.59 | dirkson | karsten, I tried to mount it- It's complaining that "special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist" |
| 07:39.00 | maddash | liable: what's wrong with #ubuntu? what are *you** doing in #ubuntu? |
| 07:39.16 | karsten | dirkson: /etc/init.d/virtfs start |
| 07:39.17 | man_in_ltop | possibly trolling :P |
| 07:39.19 | karsten | dirkson: ... I think. |
| 07:39.20 | dirkson | I am rather confused as to why. It's listed in /dev/ .... |
| 07:39.26 | maddash | man_in_ltop: LOL |
| 07:39.31 | karsten | dirkson: You're likely missing udev. |
| 07:39.38 | maddash | dirkson: udev |
| 07:39.41 | liable | man_in_ltop: nothing, and i am not. |
| 07:39.43 | dirkson | karsten, I don't see virtfs |
| 07:39.46 | karsten | dirkson: Or possibly SCSI support |
| 07:39.47 | liable | maddash: ^^ |
| 07:39.48 | man_in_ltop | udev |
| 07:39.56 | man_in_ltop | it's always udev :P |
| 07:40.06 | man_in_ltop | liable, i said "possibly" |
| 07:40.12 | fooz | you've made your point |
| 07:40.21 | dirkson | karsten, Well, they're both SCSI drives.... Why should one fail to load and the other work hunky-dorey? |
| 07:40.23 | karsten | dirkson: ls /etc/init.d/*fs* |
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| 07:40.48 | liable | dirkson: paste your fstab and /proc/partions |
| 07:40.52 | liable | dirkson: to a paster |
| 07:40.54 | karsten | dirkson: ... try starting anything that turns up, *other* than bootclean, checkfs, autofs, nfs. |
| 07:40.59 | dirkson | karsten, I've got checkfs, mountfs, nfs-common, and verious mounters and umounters. |
| 07:41.04 | dirkson | *various |
| 07:41.22 | karsten | dirkson: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 07:41.35 | dirkson | karsten, Done |
| 07:41.46 | karsten | dirkson: ... should take care of /proc, /sys, /dev, /dev/pts, and a few others. |
| 07:41.53 | karsten | dirkson: Try mounting /usr again. |
| 07:42.02 | dirkson | karsten, Same message >.< |
| 07:42.05 | karsten | dirkson: ... and/or tail /var/log/kern.log and/or dmesg |
| 07:42.06 | liable | dirkson: whats your setup? you have /usr on a totally seperate disk that /? |
| 07:42.27 | liable | paste your fstab |
| 07:42.35 | dirkson | liable, Yes. It's on the 18GB disk, / is on the 4. Cando! |
| 07:44.20 | dirkson | http://www.pastebin.ca/324390 - fstab |
| 07:44.41 | liable | dirkson: paste your syslog too |
| 07:44.52 | karsten | dirkson: ... well, say, 100 lines worht. |
| 07:44.56 | karsten | worth |
| 07:45.05 | dirkson | Catting ^.^ |
| 07:45.15 | karsten | xfs? |
| 07:45.15 | dirkson | MAN that takes a long time over a serial cable |
| 07:45.19 | dirkson | Aye. |
| 07:45.20 | liable | dirkson: your /home is mounted i take it? |
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| 07:45.31 | dirkson | liable, No, not mounted |
| 07:45.43 | karsten | dirkson: Do you have xfs support in your kernel, or modules loaded? |
| 07:45.44 | liable | dirkson: so that disk isnt seen at all? |
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| 07:46.07 | karsten | dirkson: cat /proc/swaps while you're at it. |
| 07:46.39 | dirkson | http://www.pastebin.ca/324394 - Syslog |
| 07:46.48 | dirkson | liable, Not that I can tell |
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| 07:47.00 | dirkson | karsten, Clever! I assume so, because / is xfs too. |
| 07:47.28 | karsten | dirkson: OK. NM. |
| 07:47.41 | liable | dirkson: thats not your entire syslog |
| 07:47.42 | karsten | dirkson: Ah, /boot's ext2. |
| 07:47.55 | dirkson | liable, It's not. It's difficult to get the entire thing. |
| 07:48.05 | dirkson | liable, It's the last half, basically. |
| 07:48.18 | liable | though just from that, it looks like it may well be udev's fault |
| 07:48.35 | dirkson | liable, Ok... Yay? :D |
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| 07:48.40 | karsten | liable: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 07:48.46 | karsten | dirkson: ^^ |
| 07:48.48 | karsten | liable: NM. |
| 07:49.13 | dirkson | karsten, It finds both hard drives |
| 07:49.28 | liable | oh no, sdb, uknown partition table.. |
| 07:49.45 | dirkson | liable, Bloody hell |
| 07:49.58 | karsten | liable: Good eye. |
| 07:50.04 | karsten | dirkson: Might be able to recover w/ gpart |
| 07:50.06 | karsten | !gpart |
| 07:50.07 | dpkg | gpart is, like, a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table... go get it at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/gpart-0.1b.tar.gz, or more recent verstion at authors site: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/, or see also testdisk |
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| 07:50.19 | karsten | dirkson: Unclean shutdown? |
| 07:50.25 | dirkson | karsten, *laughs* But I don't /have/ gpart! |
| 07:50.29 | karsten | dirkson: ... or have you not rebooted since repartitioning? |
| 07:50.34 | karsten | dirkson: knoppix does ;-) |
| 07:50.42 | dirkson | karsten, Nope. Perfectly clean. I /have/ rebooted since repartitioning. |
| 07:50.46 | tarzeau | dirkson: livecd.gnustep.org has it too |
| 07:50.48 | karsten | dirkson: and DSL IIRC. |
| 07:51.03 | dirkson | karsten, Fair enough. I think I have a spare DSL CD lying about here.... somewhere..... Drat. |
| 07:52.12 | ram____ | hey can some one tell me, i have made my custom kernel, how can i transfer to USB and encrypt that and boot from flash.. |
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| 07:53.09 | dirkson | Kars, liable, Rebooting real quick, on the utterly vain hope that rebooting will automagically fix it. |
| 07:53.22 | liable | heh, cant hurt :) |
| 07:53.24 | karsten | dirkson: Here's to vanity. |
| 07:53.29 | liable | well, hopefully.. |
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| 07:54.33 | dirkson | karsten, Yeah, well, that didn't work. |
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| 07:58.12 | dirkson | Woops. I have a spare x86 DSL cd :D DU! |
| 07:58.33 | ram____ | any help on my question |
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| 08:00.15 | Victor``` | If I compile a 2.6 Linux kernel to replace the 2.4 that comes with sarge |
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| 08:00.27 | Guerin | Victor```: just install a sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 08:00.31 | Victor``` | Oh? |
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| 08:01.48 | georgis | exit |
| 08:02.10 | Victor``` | oh got it |
| 08:02.16 | dirkson | I love the usage of the word "just" around here : ) |
| 08:02.22 | Victor``` | yes |
| 08:02.39 | Victor``` | makes a long and tedious process sound like a short one |
| 08:02.52 | Guerin | that's the only real purpose of debian |
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| 08:02.58 | Guerin | make hard stuff easy |
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| 08:03.45 | Victor``` | time to reboot the box |
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| 08:05.08 | Victor``` | it booted well |
| 08:06.16 | Guerin | like magic |
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| 08:11.08 | maddash | any idea how to shutdown/reboot from userprivs? |
| 08:12.14 | maddash | ie, in ubuntu, i could shutdown/reboot by selecting some option in gnome....but `shutdown -r 0` would return a request for root privileges...so gnome somehow gets around to shutting down w/o issuing `shutdown` |
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| 08:13.44 | Garda | hey guys, i've got a weekly release of etch |
| 08:14.12 | Guerin | maddash: ubuntu uses sudo for that. |
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| 08:14.27 | Garda | when it gets released properly, will i be able to just update and have an official version of debian |
| 08:14.32 | Guerin | Garda: yes. |
| 08:14.40 | maddash | Guerin: if it did, then shutting down from the gnome menu wouldn't work... |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | maddash: what makes you say that? |
| 08:15.36 | leeson | Dell Inspiron with Turion X2 Mobile CPU, good for Debian? |
| 08:15.48 | maddash | Guerin: b/c gnome runs in w/o root privs, and I could still shutdown w/o being asked for a passwd... |
| 08:15.53 | Guerin | leeson: linux-laptop.net |
| 08:15.56 | maddash | Guerin: ran*...ran**** |
| 08:16.02 | Guerin | maddash: man sudoers |
| 08:16.07 | Guerin | maddash: look for NOPASSWD |
| 08:16.22 | Guerin | i think that's how they did it |
| 08:16.40 | maddash | Guerin: groovy |
| 08:17.10 | maddash | Guerin: man pages make me claustrophobic |
| 08:17.55 | damog | heh |
| 08:18.40 | leeson | Guerin: thks for the link but the 1501 is not on the list, probably too new. |
| 08:18.52 | RvGaTe | morning |
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| 08:19.02 | maddash | oh god, it's morning already? |
| 08:19.18 | Guerin | leeson: mm, ok. Look up the spec (chipsets etc) and /msg dpkg hcl |
| 08:19.18 | RvGaTe | yeah, hurry, get to work ! |
| 08:20.16 | maddash | Guerin: great, thanks. |
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| 08:21.26 | maddash | gosh i have to sleep! |
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| 08:22.46 | maddash | who cool. unicode. |
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| 08:24.11 | Victor``` | Alright |
| 08:24.23 | Victor``` | Opera and Firefox are memory hogs. What do you all recommend for GNOME? |
| 08:24.57 | dirkson | Victor```, Dillo is a good minimalist. Say goodbye to videos/flash/everthing else that makes the internet cool nowadays |
| 08:26.06 | Victor``` | Well |
| 08:26.10 | Victor``` | Not something minimalized |
| 08:26.15 | Victor``` | .. |
| 08:26.15 | Victor``` | wow |
| 08:26.18 | Victor``` | minimized* |
| 08:27.10 | Victor``` | I guess I'll go with Epiphany |
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| 08:27.22 | dirkson | Umm.... Non minimalist = Firefox. Minimalist masochist = Links. Minimalist= dillo. Them's your choices. If you want flash/videos, firefox. Try dillo, it's pretty neat. Night. |
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| 08:33.42 | Eclipser | videos and flash does NOT make the internet "cool" |
| 08:34.15 | Victor``` | yes they do |
| 08:34.21 | Victor``` | well |
| 08:34.26 | Victor``` | they make the Web cool :) |
| 08:34.44 | Eclipser | not really |
| 08:34.48 | Eclipser | they just make webpages even more lame than they were before |
| 08:34.54 | Victor``` | fine, if you say /b/ makes the internet cool... |
| 08:35.00 | Eclipser | just because people really don't know how to use them properly |
| 08:35.10 | Victor``` | Well. |
| 08:35.43 | Victor``` | While the Web's original purpose has been shot to hell, it allows people to do more with it than just look information up. |
| 08:35.44 | Eclipser | I still haven't seen a site which would have used flash properly |
| 08:35.46 | sep | Victor```, extensions like flashblock and adblock make the web cool :) |
| 08:35.57 | Eclipser | damn right |
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| 08:36.42 | Victor``` | neither swiftfox nor firefox run on my machine without using more than 10% of my memory |
| 08:36.45 | sep | when a online page have 14 flash banner ad's you can just HUG flashblock |
| 08:36.58 | Victor``` | yeah usually I avoid those pages |
| 08:37.05 | Victor``` | like about.com and other useless junk like that |
| 08:37.36 | Eclipser | I haven't seen any ads or flash in ages |
| 08:38.20 | Victor``` | I block common ad servers with a popular /etc/hosts edit |
| 08:39.27 | karsten | Victor```: adblock+ + filterset g rawks. |
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| 08:39.56 | Victor``` | adblock? |
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| 08:40.08 | Eclipser | adblock+ |
| 08:40.23 | karsten | http://adblock.mozdev.org/ |
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| 08:40.39 | karsten | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1136/ |
| 08:40.48 | Victor``` | I'm trying to avoid firefox |
| 08:40.54 | Victor``` | it hogs my memory :\ |
| 08:41.06 | karsten | yeah. I use Konqueror most of the time. |
| 08:41.13 | Victor``` | I seriously need a memory upgrade |
| 08:41.22 | Guerin | Victor```: why do you want to conserve memory? |
| 08:41.24 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:41.30 | Guerin | how much do you have, 64MB? |
| 08:41.33 | Victor``` | no. |
| 08:41.37 | Victor``` | Half a gig. |
| 08:41.41 | karsten | Victor```: Um. There's conserving it, and there's not squandering it. |
| 08:41.47 | Guerin | Victor```: so why are you concerned about it? |
| 08:41.52 | karsten | Guerin: ^^ |
| 08:42.02 | Victor``` | because I have, lol, 100% memory usage. |
| 08:42.06 | Guerin | a powerful program like firefox using 50M of ram is utterly reasonable |
| 08:42.15 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 08:42.15 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 08:42.27 | Guerin | 100% ram usage is what you want |
| 08:42.36 | Guerin | any less and you're wasting it :) |
| 08:42.37 | Victor``` | well |
| 08:42.48 | Victor``` | I'm basing this on what my gnome-panel applet says |
| 08:42.49 | Victor``` | hrmm. |
| 08:43.05 | Guerin | karsten: you advocate using KDE to save ram!!1?1>11?s/ |
| 08:43.23 | Guerin | karsten: it's like fucking for virginity, or fighting for peace! |
| 08:43.25 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 08:43.27 | Victor``` | 50% physical memory used |
| 08:43.33 | Victor``` | 26% swap |
| 08:43.36 | karsten | Guerin: I'm all for the first ;-) |
| 08:43.40 | Guerin | Victor```: use `free' and read the middle line |
| 08:43.43 | Skiver | is there a way to limit CPU usage for certain programs ???? |
| 08:43.44 | Guerin | karsten: me too. |
| 08:43.46 | karsten | Guerin: wmaker desktop. konq browser. |
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| 08:43.59 | Guerin | Skiver: you can use nice/renice |
| 08:44.00 | karsten | -/+ buffers/cache: 797384 238708 |
| 08:44.17 | karsten | Skiver: You can also set hard limits w/ ulimit. |
| 08:44.25 | Victor``` | -/+ buffers/cache: 103828 412580 |
| 08:44.33 | Skiver | Guerin, yes. but the effect is gone when the program is terminated. |
| 08:44.43 | Victor``` | well gee |
| 08:44.45 | karsten | Skiver: wrappre. |
| 08:44.45 | Guerin | Victor```: you have ~400MB free ram |
| 08:44.50 | Victor``` | I don't have a full gig of RAM. |
| 08:44.53 | karsten | Skiver: wrapper. Or user limits. |
| 08:45.06 | Skiver | karsten, ok.. |
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| 08:45.43 | karsten | Skiver: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 08:45.45 | Victor``` | actually |
| 08:45.51 | Victor``` | those were from the wrong machine |
| 08:45.57 | Victor``` | I just realized I was ssh'd into my box |
| 08:45.58 | Victor``` | -/+ buffers/cache: 249816 266240 |
| 08:46.06 | karsten | 128 GB. |
| 08:46.14 | Guerin | Victor```: ok, so you only have ~250MB free |
| 08:46.41 | Victor``` | both my desktop and my box have 512 |
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| 08:47.07 | Guerin | it's plenty unless you're doing very intensive server stuff, hardcore graphics/multimedia, or using java |
| 08:47.14 | Victor``` | oh boy |
| 08:47.16 | karsten | Guerin: ^^ |
| 08:47.16 | Victor``` | limewire >_> |
| 08:47.27 | Guerin | but you still have half of it free |
| 08:47.30 | Guerin | so be happy |
| 08:47.35 | Victor``` | yeah I guess |
| 08:47.36 | Guerin | the glass is half full |
| 08:47.46 | Victor``` | If I was running this much stuff in my Windows installation |
| 08:47.48 | stoned | of poison |
| 08:47.52 | Victor``` | it'd be running at a snail's pace |
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| 08:48.03 | Guerin | ideally my glass would be full of beer |
| 08:48.09 | stoned | well |
| 08:48.11 | stoned | yeh |
| 08:48.14 | Guerin | but i'm still writing this freaking paper, so it ain't |
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| 08:48.30 | Victor``` | thanks to the BOTTLENECKS that Windows has on system performance |
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| 08:48.45 | stoned | dude |
| 08:48.53 | Victor``` | question mark |
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| 08:49.26 | stoned | I'm running a 100mb installation of windows xp with sp2 and all the updates so far :) more than half the unneccery services are off. I use it to play oblivion otherwise my desktop is sid by choice |
| 08:49.41 | Victor``` | well yes |
| 08:49.43 | stoned | Victor```, what bottlenetnecks do you speak of, a link perhaps/ |
| 08:50.08 | Guerin | well, windows are made of glass, and so are bottles, so ... |
| 08:50.09 | Victor``` | stoned: The fact that the operating system alone uses a whole chunk of your resources? |
| 08:50.10 | Guerin | duh |
| 08:50.33 | Guerin | ram is cheap |
| 08:50.36 | stoned | Victor```, oblivion runs great |
| 08:50.40 | Victor``` | well yes |
| 08:50.45 | Guerin | dev time is expensive |
| 08:50.48 | Victor``` | after you close everything else in my case |
| 08:50.54 | stoned | Guerin, dude go do your paper man |
| 08:51.03 | stoned | it was what 40 some hours |
| 08:51.07 | stoned | since last night |
| 08:51.09 | Guerin | so when push comes to shove, most of the time it's more productive to leave a bit of bloat in |
| 08:51.19 | Victor``` | yes |
| 08:51.25 | Guerin | stoned: yeah, yeah, it's due in 12 hours |
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| 08:51.30 | Guerin | stoned: i don't have much to go |
| 08:51.35 | Victor``` | but do not expect XP to run on your Pentium II box |
| 08:51.39 | Skiver | karsten, do you know how to check the path of firefox ?? I want this because when firefox loading large text contect(1-2MB), it will use the cpu at 100% and other firefox windows is not responding. |
| 08:51.41 | Victor``` | :) |
| 08:51.47 | Arafangio1 | Why might my long-lived ssh connections die if I don't touch them every now and again? |
| 08:51.56 | Victor``` | grab Debian or Xubuntu and they'll run like a dream on that same P2 box |
| 08:52.00 | karsten | Skiver: 'which firefox' |
| 08:52.06 | Victor``` | I use wget... |
| 08:52.11 | man_in_ltop | bye |
| 08:52.12 | Victor``` | rofl no |
| 08:52.12 | Victor``` | whereis |
| 08:52.13 | karsten | Skiver: The path == the location of the executable? |
| 08:52.33 | karsten | Skiver: Note that firefox usually uses a wrapper to invoke firefox.bin or similar. |
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| 08:53.47 | Skiver | karsten, that's why, when I use "top", it shows firefox-bin..is that an executable ?? |
| 08:54.12 | karsten | Skiver: Right. Binary executable, to be more precise. |
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| 08:54.40 | Skiver | karsten, my intention here is to set a hard limit to this program, whenever I open it. |
| 08:55.06 | karsten | Skiver: CPU or ram? |
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| 08:55.39 | Skiver | karsten, CPU. |
| 08:59.03 | karsten | Skiver: 'help ulimit' |
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| 09:01.35 | Skiver | karsten, it doesn't allow application specific setting ? |
| 09:01.57 | valdyn | Skiver: have you googled and looked into adjusting firefox's own memory settings? |
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| 09:03.45 | Skiver | karsten, anyway I did install something called "cpulimit" which allows application specific limit. only if do I set on "firefox" or "iceweasel" or that "firefox-bin", the latter is not an executable though. |
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| 09:05.23 | valdyn | Skiver: if one firefox window 'blocks' the other windows ( of the same program ), setting a cpu limit can't really fix that |
| 09:05.47 | Skiver | valdyn, please explain. |
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| 09:06.41 | valdyn | Skiver: cpu gets shared among firefox's threads, if one windows blocks the others, that's not a issue of to few cpu time available but of a lock being held |
| 09:06.50 | Skiver | valdyn, as I see it's always running at 100% CPU, so I thought that's the problem. |
| 09:07.08 | valdyn | Skiver: no, cpu is shared |
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| 09:08.22 | valdyn | Skiver: 1 process cant starve other processes running at same priority ( which they do in this case ) |
| 09:08.38 | Skiver | i get the idea, so anyway to overcome this ? I wish i can browse other tabs when one of the tab is loading a 2mb page. |
| 09:09.19 | valdyn | Skiver: you can ask the devs to fix this bug or use 2 different browsers |
| 09:10.24 | valdyn | Skiver: huge text files being loaded and displayed are known to lock of firefox or netscape for the last decade and more =/ |
| 09:10.52 | Skiver | valdyn, oh. |
| 09:11.26 | valdyn | Skiver: which website is this issue about anyway? |
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| 09:12.21 | Skiver | valdyn, a lot, any doc file that's long. for example i get this while browsing phpmyadmin doc |
| 09:12.48 | valdyn | Skiver: this is huge amounts of text being on one page? |
| 09:13.00 | Skiver | valdyn, yes. |
| 09:13.14 | valdyn | Skiver: ok, no way to fix this... afaict |
| 09:13.33 | valdyn | Skiver: i'd use a different browser for this if it really bothers you |
| 09:13.55 | Skiver | valdyn, any recommendation ? |
| 09:14.26 | valdyn | Skiver: not really, lynx might be ok for this ( text mode browser ) |
| 09:14.52 | rahul | Jan 22 04:13:27 localhost smartd[1567]: Device: /dev/hda, 4 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors |
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| 09:15.32 | rahul | are these remappable, or is that indicating that the spare sectors are exhausted? |
| 09:18.03 | Skiver | valdyn, oh konquerer can load it nicely. |
| 09:18.34 | valdyn | Skiver: nice |
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| 09:32.52 | jooopyme | I want to make debian packages from my source. What is the easyist way to do it? |
| 09:33.34 | streuner | wyh? |
| 09:33.37 | streuner | why? |
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| 09:35.04 | jooopyme | streuner: you asking me? |
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| 09:36.37 | streuner | yes |
| 09:37.57 | rahul | jooopyme: man dh_make. it's not trivial, always. |
| 09:38.23 | rahul | oy it's late. |
| 09:38.28 | Eclipser | jooopyme, read the new maintainers guide |
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| 09:39.17 | Tygrys | hello |
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| 09:42.12 | dimir | Morning. |
| 09:42.24 | Eclipser | morning |
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| 09:51.20 | panchoat | I want to make the package libsbml and upload it into the official repository, but I have some problem. There is no soname in the library file libsbml.2.3.4.so while I use objdump -p , so the lintian always report that : "sharedobject-in-library-directory-not-actually-a-shlib". How can I fix it? I know that this package work well in my system. |
| 09:52.07 | idan | how can i link one folder into user folder? means i have /etc/myuserhome and i want to link it to /home/$user ($user is the user im in right now). thanks |
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| 10:01.41 | valdyn | idan: you're joking? why the hell user data in /etc ? |
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| 10:07.50 | Guerin | idan: step away from the crack pipe |
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| 10:08.43 | RvGaTe | holy crap, he did what? |
| 10:08.45 | RvGaTe | :S |
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| 10:20.43 | christopherl | hello all, rm doesn't work when removing a directory? |
| 10:21.13 | pngwn | man rm |
| 10:21.21 | liable | rm --help |
| 10:21.44 | Vich|Away | rm -rf /dir |
| 10:21.52 | Vich|Away | er |
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| 10:21.58 | Vich|Away | rm -rf dir/ |
| 10:22.00 | christopherl | thanks |
| 10:22.08 | Vich|Away | my slash jumped |
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| 10:25.02 | garo | I'm using etch, when i run 'mount | grep udev' i get 'udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)' so i use udev, but when i run 'find /etc/ | grep udev' i get nothing ?!? Why is this ? |
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| 10:26.55 | valdyn | garo: 'dpkg -l udev' |
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| 10:27.34 | RvGaTe | garo, not sure, but i dont think udev is installed by default |
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| 10:27.53 | garo | un udev <none> (no description available) |
| 10:28.09 | valdyn | garo: why did you remove udev? |
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| 10:28.49 | garo | valdyn: I never removed it manually, i didn't even install it manually |
| 10:28.51 | liable | i dont think he's had it installed |
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| 10:29.08 | RvGaTe | garo, easy solution is to install it then |
| 10:29.42 | garo | But it can't be removed since i still have it in the output of 'mount' |
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| 10:30.26 | liable | thats a bit weird |
| 10:31.13 | valdyn | garo: anything unusual you did to your system? like installing debian from knoppix or somesuch? |
| 10:31.52 | garo | I'm using xen, the debian is on domU |
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| 10:32.24 | valdyn | garo: the host has udev installed? |
| 10:32.32 | garo | I also have a debian on dom0, same problem |
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| 10:33.44 | valdyn | garo: guess this is an issue with whichever method you used to install those |
| 10:34.41 | garo | same output from 'dpkg -l udev' (what does this output mean ? (I only use debian on server, for desktops i use gentoo so i'm not really with familiar with apt,dpkg,...)) |
| 10:35.00 | valdyn | garo: means that udev isnt installed and never was |
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| 10:35.38 | nayyares | my proxy has two interfaces, one has public and other private IP, my webserver is running on public IP as well, now the ISP nameserver resolve our website to proxy IP and then i redirect it to webserver on its Public IP, every thing is perfact from outside of my network, now when i try to browse our site from local(private ip) netwok it is not browsing, the reason in my mind is the redirection so i though it this command will work, but before giving i w |
| 10:35.38 | nayyares | ant your opinion, "iptables -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d proxy-public-ip --dport 80 --redirect-to webserver-public-ip" |
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| 10:36.39 | liable | sheesh, the whole emulation thing certainly makes debugging another level harder |
| 10:36.53 | liable | specially when people dont say so |
| 10:36.58 | garo | 'mount' doesn't agree with you... |
| 10:37.09 | filipe_ | Is there any way to run a central password repository with shadow passwords? |
| 10:37.20 | valdyn | garo: mount only lists /etc/mtab contents, it does not know what's really mounted |
| 10:37.37 | garo | cat /etc/mtab |
| 10:37.44 | garo | sorry, wrong window |
| 10:37.58 | valdyn | garo: usually /etc/mtab and what's really mounted are in sync.. i cant tell about your system with certainty |
| 10:37.58 | liable | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 10:38.33 | garo | hm, "ls -l /etc/mtab" gives me "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 211 Jan 17 20:27 /etc/mtab" |
| 10:38.54 | garo | that's a while ago... |
| 10:39.11 | idan | im trying to make a symlink from /symlinkfolder to /home/$USER with this: ln -s /symlinkfolder /home/$USER - but it dose not work nor gives me any errors |
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| 10:40.21 | chronographe1 | Hi all, anyonje recommend a lightweight image viewer to go with xfce? |
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| 10:40.40 | chronographe1 | I tried xviewimage but don't know how to use it... |
| 10:40.40 | cahoot | chronographe1: feh is one |
| 10:40.46 | chronographe1 | feh? |
| 10:40.52 | cahoot | feh! |
| 10:40.53 | chronographe1 | it is in synaptic? |
| 10:40.54 | liable | !feh |
| 10:40.54 | dpkg | i guess feh is the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer |
| 10:41.04 | chronographe1 | thx, sounds nice! |
| 10:41.09 | garo | chronographe1: not really lightweight, but i use kuickshow (part of kde, so you need kdelibs) |
| 10:41.15 | RvGaTe | idan, just wondering, why whould you have a homefolder inside /etc/ ? |
| 10:41.25 | chronographe1 | I don't want kde stuff! |
| 10:41.38 | chronographe1 | that wont do on my little lightweight lappy! |
| 10:41.55 | RvGaTe | puke @ kde ;) |
| 10:41.59 | liable | xfce isnt particularly lightwieght |
| 10:42.06 | valdyn | chronographe1: gqview |
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| 10:42.42 | garo | don't use whole kde, just use the good apps (i'm a fluxbox user but I use kuickshow,konsole and amarok) |
| 10:42.45 | chronographe1 | well, it is compared to kde, and it is an easier transition than that right-click-on-the-desktop one |
| 10:42.58 | garo | and also konqueror |
| 10:43.01 | valdyn | sticking to 1 gui tookit = lightweight |
| 10:43.01 | Ronin | rightclick is too hard? |
| 10:43.07 | valdyn | i suppose |
| 10:43.10 | RvGaTe | haha |
| 10:43.24 | RvGaTe | if you're a mac user... it could be a bit tricky |
| 10:43.25 | chronographe1 | heh! |
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| 10:43.36 | Ronin | indeed |
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| 10:44.53 | Fujoor | anyone who has tried freevo with debian? |
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| 10:44.58 | Fujoor | what hardware requirements does it require |
| 10:45.14 | RvGaTe | freevo ? |
| 10:45.42 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 10:45.44 | RvGaTe | !freevo |
| 10:45.44 | dpkg | hmm... freevo is software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
| 10:45.55 | cahoot | chronographe1: looks like is 1/4 the sizie of gqview |
| 10:46.08 | Fujoor | but im just looking for the play music and video part |
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| 10:46.16 | Fujoor | i want something similiar to my xbmc, but for my parents |
| 10:46.22 | Fujoor | and we just happen to have a computer ove |
| 10:46.24 | Fujoor | over |
| 10:46.34 | Fujoor | and mediaportal on xp is way to demanding |
| 10:46.38 | Fujoor | and geexbox is way too simple |
| 10:46.45 | Fujoor | i thought freevo could be a lil somethin in the middle |
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| 10:47.06 | chronographe1 | it is quite lightweight! |
| 10:47.23 | Fujoor | do i need a gui to install it or could i just go with a server install of debian |
| 10:47.29 | Fujoor | and apt-get it? |
| 10:48.28 | Fujoor | and btw, is the 3.1 version the one called woody? |
| 10:48.37 | chronographe1 | ohgh one more thing with xfce, I can't select things on my desktop with a mouse click and drawing a little square... Is there a simple solution to my predicament?? ;P |
| 10:48.49 | cydork | Fujoor: 3.1 is sarge |
| 10:48.53 | Fujoor | ok, good |
| 10:49.07 | chronographe1 | etch is best |
| 10:49.08 | Fujoor | then it should be in the apt get list, so i could probably install and run freevo without any windowmanager, right? |
| 10:49.35 | cydork | Fujoor: i dont think freevo is in etch.. |
| 10:49.44 | Fujoor | but the homepage says it should be in sarge |
| 10:50.27 | liable | !info freevo sarge |
| 10:50.49 | liable | does not exist |
| 10:51.52 | Fujoor | hmm wierd |
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| 10:52.17 | cydork | there might be some unoffical repo by freevo people for debian.. |
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| 10:53.08 | Fujoor | i wish they'd just finish that geexbox v2.0 with freevo |
| 10:53.15 | Fujoor | or make an xbmc live cd for linux |
| 10:53.16 | Fujoor | :) |
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| 11:00.05 | liable | hrm, might have to go to a car auction tomorrow and try my luck |
| 11:01.41 | idan | im tring to symlink a folder for ALL users to thire home folder (for FTP usage). means i do ln -s ./thefolderiwant /home/$USER -- how can i do that, or is it possible from ftp? (proftpd + debian). thanks |
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| 11:11.45 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:11.45 | dpkg | qotd160 is probably <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
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| 11:13.53 | Guerin | stoned: http://feayn.org/~lewis/u/20070123-extremismoverplayed.pdf |
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| 11:15.16 | RvGaTe | Guerin, you wrote it ? |
| 11:16.55 | Guerin | RvGaTe: Every word. most of them several hundred times before I was satisfied. |
| 11:16.56 | rhalff | is there some kind of mechanism to run a script when a certain package is upgrade ? like compile eaccelerator whenever php gets upgraded ? |
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| 11:17.21 | RvGaTe | rhalff, good question |
| 11:17.41 | rhalff | RvGaTe, answer is probably compile your own packages, but I don't want that answer :p |
| 11:17.55 | RvGaTe | rhalff, compile your own packages |
| 11:17.59 | Guerin | rhalff: i don't believe so. You could patch the postinst script and submit it as a wishlist bug |
| 11:18.02 | rhalff | RvGaTe, thanks |
| 11:18.05 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 11:18.09 | RvGaTe | *haha |
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| 11:21.39 | faycal | how to use bittorent thru proxy to download |
| 11:21.55 | Guerin | faycal: first find a proxy |
| 11:22.28 | yang | I am wondering about mp3 codecs...Does it make any difference encoding streams over 128Kbps ? |
| 11:22.47 | RvGaTe | yang, compared to what ? |
| 11:22.47 | Guerin | yang: yes. The quality is better and it takes more bandwidth. Duh. |
| 11:23.22 | yang | I heard that limitations for mp3 stop somehow at 128Kbps... |
| 11:23.41 | liable | 300 and something |
| 11:23.47 | yang | ah ok |
| 11:23.47 | Guerin | 320 |
| 11:23.53 | blondie | 128kbps is crap quality |
| 11:24.02 | Guerin | but for a stream it's not bad |
| 11:24.10 | liable | yes, 300 and 20 :P |
| 11:24.11 | yang | most MP3 players wont play over 128-196 kbps range anyways |
| 11:24.13 | blondie | use ogg vorbis :D |
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| 11:24.39 | yang | ogg vorbis isn't supported on mp3 devices i think |
| 11:24.39 | liable | blondie: got a good portable that has FM and does ogg? |
| 11:24.47 | blondie | FM? what's that? |
| 11:24.53 | liable | radio! |
| 11:24.55 | Trewas | yang: what do you mean won't play? the player is broken unless it is cacable of playing mp3s up to 320kbps |
| 11:25.10 | blondie | liable: old technology... rather have DAB thanks |
| 11:25.30 | liable | blondie: i like radio, and only want mp3/ogg as backup |
| 11:25.41 | blondie | liable: if you like radio, why do you want FM? |
| 11:25.41 | rhalff | what does this indicate: /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address , rotten memory or something else ? |
| 11:26.01 | liable | blondie: we are lucky to have FM in some of the places i go! |
| 11:26.07 | blondie | :S |
| 11:26.08 | Guerin | rhalff: i guess so |
| 11:26.35 | rhalff | hm ok |
| 11:26.47 | Trewas | yang: most of the mp3s in the net (scene releases at least) are encoded with lame --alt-preset standard which is a VBR mode with bitrate usually something like 190-240kbps and I have not heard many whining those don't work |
| 11:26.47 | liable | one place i lived, we could only get AM for about 3 hours in the early morining.. |
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| 11:27.18 | Guerin | hehe |
| 11:27.45 | yang | Trewas: looking at the hardware specs the sony players only go up to 192kbps... |
| 11:28.01 | Guerin | fuck sony |
| 11:28.22 | liable | indeed |
| 11:28.34 | Trewas | yang: I have two sony players (some DVD-player and a portable cd/mp3 player) which both play all mp3s |
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| 11:29.21 | yang | I am encoding all 320 kbps mp3s to 128kbps...becouse I tried various streams on 3 mp3 players....and some will only do 128kbps |
| 11:29.40 | blondie | liable: do you live in teh antartic or something? |
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| 11:30.10 | liable | blondie: not at the moment, but I might end up there one day, if I can help it :) |
| 11:30.22 | yang | Trewas: also the player gets confused, if some streams are at 128kbps and others at 200+ etc. |
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| 11:31.54 | Trewas | yang: some older players may be worse, many old dvd-players could not play VBR mp3s for example... and to be honest the sony portable player I have fucks up a bit if a VBR mp3 starts with many 32kbps (which are used for silence), then it thinks the whole track is 32kbps and fails to spin up the disk often enough -> skips |
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| 11:32.27 | yang | right |
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| 11:32.55 | hastesaver | Hi, I'm trying to install a source package from packages.debian.org (I have no root, so can't use apt-get), and along with a xxxxx.orig.tar.gz file, there is a xxxxx-1.diff.gz file. I guess that I'm supposed to use the diff file to patch something, but I don't know how. Could someone please help? Thanks. |
| 11:33.00 | yang | Trewas: sometimes i put the disc in, and its readable on one player and on SONY it says "cannot read data" |
| 11:33.22 | yang | Trewas: so i am just doing 128kbps streams to be sure |
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| 11:33.32 | prumprum | is there a way to renice all programs that are execute by a certain binary? |
| 11:33.32 | Trewas | yang: sounds like the player can't read the disk at all |
| 11:33.51 | faycal | guerin: I have to traverse the Gateway which is a http proxy, I know the address, but where to configure the bttorent to precise the proxy address |
| 11:33.51 | yang | Trewas: nope, some disks are done allright |
| 11:33.59 | liable | hastesaver: you can use dget ftp.url/foopackage, then just use dpkg-buildpkg as usual |
| 11:34.03 | valdyn | hastesaver: get the .dsc file too, and run dpkg-source -x file.dsc |
| 11:35.09 | Trewas | yang: some readers can be quite cranky, have problems reading some specific cd-r brands or disks that are burned at high speeds etc |
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| 11:35.42 | Ilovemypuppy | I need a linux alternative to vbulletin |
| 11:35.52 | yang | valdyn: do you know what pppoe error is : pppd[4332]: peer from calling number 00:14:7F:73:88:A1 authorized ; pppd[4332]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP |
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| 11:36.16 | yang | valdyn: i am getting this everytime, and i cannot go on net |
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| 11:39.27 | yang | Trewas: at which speed do you burn mp3 CDs then just to be safe, that player will read them? |
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| 11:39.39 | Eclipser | 0.001x! |
| 11:41.31 | Trewas | yang: it depends... usually something like half or one fourth of the maximum of disk/writer, so 8-24x |
| 11:41.52 | Guerin | faycal: depends on the client. Most won't support it, though you can probably start one with http_proxy=http://ip.add.re.ss:port/ |
| 11:43.02 | Ilovemypuppy | sorry, may I please have a linux alternative to vbulletin? |
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| 11:44.28 | liable | vbulliten is forum software? |
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| 11:47.01 | christopherl | I don't like Gnome panel, is there some else applets you can use in Gnome? |
| 11:47.16 | sep | Ilovemypuppy, i guess phpbb is the one most often compared |
| 11:47.55 | sep | christopherl, rigthclick on the panel and select add to panel to get the list of possible applets installed that you can use |
| 11:48.05 | liable | which bit exactly is the gnome panel? |
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| 11:49.11 | christopherl | sep: I meant I don't like the panel, is there some other panels |
| 11:49.29 | sep | christopherl, dont know |
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| 11:55.59 | valdyn | christopherl: are you sure you cant change the property of that panel that you don't like? |
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| 12:11.13 | Garda | it's gone kinda quiet |
| 12:11.40 | RvGaTe | o'rly ? |
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| 12:11.46 | Garda | ya rly |
| 12:14.30 | liable | america hasnt woken up yet |
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| 12:16.36 | bloo_sky | I'm about to install a VNC server on a machine here, is there a "preferred" vncserver or shall I just grab any? |
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| 12:18.07 | sep | bloo_sky, vncserver unless you need to see the actual monitor display in that case x11vnc |
| 12:18.52 | bloo_sky | sep, OK, I'm just looking through the description of each at the moment |
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| 12:24.35 | christopherl | what's the command in terminal to the window switcher? |
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| 12:29.29 | christopherl | terminal command for workspace switcher? |
| 12:29.29 | liable | you mean to change vt's? |
| 12:30.10 | bloo_sky | christopherl, to change window managers? or just "go to workspace number 3" ? |
| 12:30.11 | christopherl | I want to add a customized workspace switcher in Gnome panel and I need to add a command for it |
| 12:30.14 | liable | alt+F1/2/3/4/ |
| 12:30.23 | cahoot | gnome-pager? |
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| 12:31.04 | ThomasPorter | How can I copy alot of files, whiles still mantaining the file owner/ permissions etc.. completely intact... i've been trying to use: cp -r /source/* /destination |
| 12:31.14 | christopherl | create a launcher in gnome panel |
| 12:31.27 | ThomasPorter | ...? |
| 12:31.36 | cahoot | cp -a? |
| 12:32.05 | ThomasPorter | cahoot: Isn't that arvhive? |
| 12:32.37 | cahoot | ThomasPorter: I believe the man page is quite clear |
| 12:33.07 | ThomasPorter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.07 | ThomasPorter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.53 | Reiser_X | what are the steps to configure a DNS server to test gnugk |
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| 12:34.35 | sxpert-work | how would I install a debian box using 2 disks in a software raid 1 setup (disks are identical) |
| 12:34.38 | Reiser_X | somo body here has installed gnugk? |
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| 12:35.03 | petemc | sxpert-work: the install guide covers that |
| 12:35.49 | ThomasPorter | Reiser_X: i've installed a DNS server.. and that was hell enough.. it works. So I don't touch it. |
| 12:35.53 | sxpert-work | hmmm... |
| 12:36.43 | Reiser_X | ThimasPorter: i only need to test gnugk |
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| 12:37.07 | Reiser_X | but i think is no necesary install DNS then |
| 12:37.20 | Reiser_X | just have a static IP address |
| 12:37.38 | Reiser_X | and test gnugk with gnomeMeeting |
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| 12:38.08 | Reiser_X | is there any chat server GPL to install? |
| 12:38.21 | XplOzIon | has anyone tried "ircu"? |
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| 12:40.07 | freemer | re all |
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| 12:41.02 | freemer | anybody use pam_ldap? |
| 12:41.19 | haary | Does anyone know a free groupware server with good evolution support and features like group calendar and shared documents/folders? |
| 12:41.29 | [StingRay] | Hi all. Anybody here using freenx from http://packages.debianbase.de/sarge/i386/nx/? I would like to know if the resume option is stable? |
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| 12:42.19 | ThomasPorter | cp: failed to preserve ownership for `/backups/droubi.fileblast.net.disabled/htdocs/rl3/tslab16cd1.part04.rar': Operation not permitted.............. thats when doing a cp -ra |
| 12:42.38 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: so you don't have the permissions, duh! |
| 12:42.51 | Hoxzer | almost lol. |
| 12:42.54 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: root doesn't have permissions? |
| 12:43.05 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: that is possible |
| 12:43.12 | freemer | a have some problems with pam_ldap on debian |
| 12:43.21 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: Are you sure? |
| 12:43.29 | freemer | su works okay, but ldap user can't login over ssh |
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| 12:43.48 | freemer | what problem may it be? |
| 12:43.53 | ThomasPorter | How can I find out who does have permissions then? |
| 12:44.22 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: which filesystem is the destination? which mount options? |
| 12:45.07 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: Its just a external hard drive.. |
| 12:45.17 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: I'll just check the mounting.. |
| 12:45.24 | ThomasPorter | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 |
| 12:45.43 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: vfat does not support permissions |
| 12:46.11 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: no need to even bother using '-a' as vfat cant preserve any of it |
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| 12:46.41 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: Ah i see, how can I format the barstard to something usable? |
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| 12:47.19 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: unmount it, try 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1' |
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| 12:47.31 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: windows can't read it then. just fyi |
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| 12:47.48 | ThomasPorter | valdyn: windows sucks. |
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| 12:50.40 | markybob | valdyn, not entirely true. http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html |
| 12:52.44 | Hoxzer | I wish I could somehow install windows on ext3 partition |
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| 12:57.24 | ThomasPorter | Hoxzer: That'd be different |
| 12:58.58 | Kurtism | what about ext3 for windows? |
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| 12:59.55 | markybob | Kurtism, what about it? ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2. so ext2 win drivers work just fine on ext3 |
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| 13:06.32 | ThomasPorter | Whats 12198 + 29382? |
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| 13:07.16 | markybob | ThomasPorter, quickmath.com |
| 13:07.53 | hark | ThomasPorter: someone trolling. |
| 13:07.54 | ThomasPorter | thanks |
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| 13:09.39 | sxpert-work | petemc: found it, thanks :D |
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| 13:11.39 | knoxy | how can I do to setting up my atheros AR5212 using debian sarge? the module isn't loaded |
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| 13:11.57 | naiv | Q: grep -Eo '[0-9]+' will give decimal numbers, how to get only integers ? i tried 0-9^, but no result |
| 13:11.58 | warlock | anyone know a good debian release for game servers? I heard soemthing about some unstable version. |
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| 13:13.01 | rxKaffee | what bot is dpkg? |
| 13:13.07 | rxKaffee | he doesn't seem to respond to version |
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| 13:16.16 | warlock | anyone know a good debian release for game servers? I heard soemthing about some unstable version. |
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| 13:18.27 | Ronin | rxKaffee: blootbot |
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| 13:18.54 | rxKaffee | Ronin: thanks |
| 13:19.03 | Ronin | !whatareyou |
| 13:19.06 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:19.12 | rxKaffee | ah, lol |
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| 13:21.20 | cahoot | knoxy: does dmesg report anything when you plub in the device? |
| 13:21.25 | cahoot | plug |
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| 13:25.31 | _zap_ | when a directory has group write access, users other than the directory owner can create files which cannot be deleted by the directory owner any more. is there a way to prevent this? |
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| 13:26.19 | rxKaffee | _zap_: yes... look into directory special modes |
| 13:27.11 | _zap_ | rxKaffee: i don't see how gid or sticky bit can prevent it. it is still possible for the user != directory owner to change permissions with chmod so that the owner cannot delete it anymore |
| 13:27.30 | _zap_ | rxKaffee: or do you mean something else with "special modes"? |
| 13:28.11 | rxKaffee | _zap_: there are other special modes often used in context of ftp servers, for scenarios where multiple people write into one user-owned directory |
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| 13:29.05 | zOap | I want to give Xterm and a couple of other apps an program ico(the one shown in the left upper corner of the app and in the window list), so that I can differanciate it better from other programs in Alt+Tab.. how does ico settings for Linux work? Is it almost like favico in html or? Important: I don't mean desktop icons.. |
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| 13:29.18 | _zap_ | rxKaffee: ftp's have sometimes there own user management, i.e. it does not map 1:1 onto unix file permissions |
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| 13:31.20 | markybob | zOap, it's an icon theme. google for it |
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| 13:31.53 | zOap | markybob, you mean for xterm only? cause I want to create my own for several apps... |
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| 13:34.48 | markybob | zOap, no. for all apps. it's an icon theme |
| 13:35.06 | azeem | hi, anybody got a recently installed testing/KDE running with the default wallpaper and could upload a screenshot somewhere? |
| 13:35.34 | markybob | azeem, uh, maybe /j #kde? |
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| 13:35.52 | zOap | markybob, but that is the problem. xterm, and Worker doesnt have an ico theme, only a default ico for all that doenst have.. what I want to do is to make ico for one app only, not for the entire set.. |
| 13:35.55 | azeem | markybob: how is #kde relevant to Debian? |
| 13:36.20 | azeem | markybob: I'm already talking to the Debian KDE maintainers, but they're not running a prestine testing/KDE either |
| 13:36.47 | zOap | azeem, #debian-kde |
| 13:36.54 | azeem | zOap: see above |
| 13:37.02 | zOap | azeem, k |
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| 13:37.12 | zOap | didnt see that.. |
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| 13:39.01 | Slidey | perl -MDynaLoader |
| 13:39.01 | Slidey | Segmentation fault |
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| 13:42.02 | warlock | anyone know a good debian release for game servers? I heard soemthing about some unstable version. |
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| 13:42.27 | azeem | warlock: what are looking for in particular? |
| 13:42.43 | Slidey | perl seems to be segfaulting when loading dynaloader - which also seems to be causing things like apt and amavis to break.... |
| 13:42.51 | azeem | warlock: in general, it is not advised to run unstable on servers which are exposed to the internet |
| 13:43.14 | warlock | can you link to something perhaps? as I've been using ubuntu, cant seem to find ajck on the ubuntu site. |
| 13:43.17 | Slidey | anyone seen that before ? |
| 13:43.30 | azeem | warlock: what is ajck? |
| 13:43.32 | warlock | jack* |
| 13:43.34 | warlock | typo .) |
| 13:43.46 | azeem | eh, "jack" isn't "in particular" |
| 13:43.50 | warlock | I got 10 servers to setup, so I'm kinda in a hurry - and under a lot of stress. |
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| 13:44.12 | azeem | if you need a quick answer: "Don't use unstable" |
| 13:44.13 | warlock | so I'm sorry if im not being clear enough with you. |
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| 13:44.31 | azeem | "maybe use testing, depending on your needs/setup" |
| 13:44.34 | warlock | ok, azeem - do you know where I can download a stable verion for pentium 4? I cant seem to find anything. |
| 13:44.54 | azeem | warlock: there's no special version for p4, just download the regular i386 one |
| 13:45.00 | azeem | unless your p4 is 64bit enabled |
| 13:45.04 | warlock | where is it located at? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 13:45.07 | warlock | Nope, its not |
| 13:45.19 | azeem | warlock: cdimage.debian.org |
| 13:45.35 | azeem | the former address contains the beta versions of the next release |
| 13:45.45 | warlock | aha |
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| 13:46.14 | warlock | http://ftp.port80.se/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ any of those? |
| 13:46.19 | azeem | yes |
| 13:46.29 | warlock | does it matter which ones? |
| 13:46.31 | warlock | one* |
| 13:46.35 | Yannochka | hi do you know how i can permit upload on a port or denied download on a port? |
| 13:46.49 | Yannochka | (same port) |
| 13:46.50 | azeem | warlock: get the first one, install other needed packages via apt-get |
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| 13:47.02 | warlock | http://ftp.port80.se/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
| 13:47.02 | emss | are there kde 3.5.5 packages for stable? |
| 13:47.02 | azeem | warlock: unless your requirements rather suggest running testing |
| 13:47.05 | vikas | hi all, there's a problem with my /etc/mtab file. when i do 'ls -l /etc' this is what shows up: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? mtab |
| 13:47.16 | warlock | hmm, but whats so special about the testing one? |
| 13:47.24 | azeem | it's the beta for the next release |
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| 13:47.34 | liable | warlock: its still up to date, and will soon be stable |
| 13:47.40 | azeem | it might have better hardware support and newer versions of the stuff you ned |
| 13:47.42 | azeem | need* |
| 13:47.55 | azeem | but as you haven't clarified on what you need, I suggest you try stable first |
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| 13:47.58 | warlock | well, I dont have the newer hardware, so I wont be using it. |
| 13:48.08 | warlock | This stable version, did I link the correct one? (http://ftp.port80.se/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso) |
| 13:48.25 | warlock | If so, - whats the difference between that one, and this: debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 13:48.43 | liable | warlock: most of the time is people wanting the shiny apps, thats why the use ubuntu, or wonder why sid breaks on them |
| 13:48.53 | emss | warlock: one installs via net other install via cdrom? |
| 13:48.58 | azeem | emss: eh |
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| 13:49.19 | warlock | liable, I dont want GUI - I want server, so I did link to a server edition, I hope? |
| 13:49.20 | azeem | warlock: the netinst is smaller, and design to install parts of the extended base system via the internet |
| 13:49.21 | emss | warlock: sid doesn't break much at all |
| 13:49.35 | azeem | emss: please don't advertise sid in here |
| 13:49.44 | liable | warlock: debian doesnt have a server edition. you just install what you need |
| 13:49.47 | azeem | unless you promise to support those people on your own afterwards |
| 13:49.57 | liable | warlock: though there is a server task during install |
| 13:49.58 | richih_temp | does anyone have experience with running shared QFS on a SAN? is it stable and reliable? how is the performance? |
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| 13:50.11 | warlock | so I can install a server one? I dont want a GUI :( |
| 13:50.20 | liable | ... |
| 13:50.35 | azeem | warlock: yes, just don't select the "desktop" task |
| 13:50.38 | warlock | need to be sure, so I dont waste this last hour I got until I ghost out the other servers. |
| 13:51.06 | warlock | ok azeem, so: debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso - this is what I should start out with? |
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| 13:51.14 | azeem | for example. |
| 13:51.20 | azeem | it's a good choice |
| 13:51.26 | warlock | no buts? |
| 13:51.45 | azeem | there's more than one choice and you've been very vague on your actual needs |
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| 13:51.53 | azeem | so I guess that choice is OK to being with |
| 13:51.55 | azeem | begin* |
| 13:51.57 | liable | warlock: dude, you realise you are asking for trouble knowing absolutely fuck all about debian and wanting to set up a server in an hour? |
| 13:52.58 | warlock | I know how to setup a server, I just dont know what to start out with, as I'm new to debian |
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| 13:54.02 | DRoBeR | Hello |
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| 13:54.14 | liable | well, i need to go car hunting tomorrow, so i'll leave you guys to it :) |
| 13:54.24 | MarcoPau | how do I check what's using the audio device? |
| 13:54.31 | DRoBeR | Hasta la vista, liable |
| 13:55.21 | cahoot | MarcoPau: lsof /dev/snd/* and lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 13:56.24 | MarcoPau | cahoot: thank you |
| 13:56.27 | dererk[work] | does anyone here migrate ferm scripts to Etch version, ferm 1.2.x ? |
| 13:56.35 | dererk[work] | s/does/did/ |
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| 14:04.52 | Slidey | so ive got 2 deb boxes pretty much the same, and 1 is segfaulting when trying to load perl dynaloader |
| 14:05.53 | Slidey | but theres nothing obvious anywhere |
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| 14:07.48 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i check if my mail system is running.. im using postfix |
| 14:08.34 | Slidey | telnet localhost 25 (presupposing its listening on localhost - check netstat -an|grep LISTEN|grep :25) |
| 14:09.27 | Danielss89 | Slidey this is what i get: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2828 |
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| 14:11.23 | Danielss89 | when i do a mailq a lot of emails appears, it seems like it have been down for a while, and in my error log is: mailsystem is down - accessing queue directly |
| 14:11.24 | Danielss89 | :( |
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| 14:12.41 | Slidey | try running postfix start, or /etc/init.d/postfix start |
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| 14:12.48 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 14:12.50 | Danielss89 | yes i did |
| 14:13.03 | Slidey | then the logs will be in /var/log - either mail.log or mail.err |
| 14:13.08 | Danielss89 | at now i recieved em... how can the mail system suddenlt be stopped |
| 14:13.29 | Slidey | check your logs |
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| 14:14.46 | Danielss89 | do you know where i can set the host sender off the emails Slidey.. right now its set to hellfire, and a lot of emails is rejecting mails from it becouse the domain doesnt excist, how can i change that? |
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| 14:19.46 | hark | /etc/mailname |
| 14:20.14 | Danielss89 | no thats okey, ive changed that |
| 14:21.17 | Danielss89 | can i do a replace in all files where the word "hellfire" is... not the filename but in the files |
| 14:21.23 | infernix | does anyone have (good/bad) experience with dedibox services? |
| 14:21.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone quickly tell me what I need to do to fix this? |
| 14:21.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | ./warsow.x86_64: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./warsow.x86_64) |
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| 14:22.27 | Danielss89 | Dark_Apostrophe i would think you have to install glibc |
| 14:22.37 | Danielss89 | apt-cache search glibc |
| 14:22.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Danielss89: Isn't that installed by default? |
| 14:22.55 | Danielss89 | it seems like it isnt:D |
| 14:23.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | It is installed |
| 14:23.06 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 14:23.16 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: that binary you have needs a newer version of glibc than is available |
| 14:23.37 | Danielss89 | maybe you have an older or a newer version o f glibc Dark_Apostrophe |
| 14:23.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Ok |
| 14:23.42 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: where do you have that binary from? |
| 14:23.44 | Danielss89 | oh, to slow |
| 14:23.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Warsow? Or glibc? |
| 14:24.01 | azeem | the former |
| 14:24.07 | azeem | I assume you have glibc from Debian |
| 14:24.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 14:24.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Warsow's just from a static binary package I downloaded from warsow.net |
| 14:24.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are no Warsow packages for debian yet :/ |
| 14:24.36 | azeem | which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 14:24.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Etch |
| 14:25.32 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: well, ask the warsaw people whether they can provide a binary compiled with a more conservative version of Linux like RHEL or Debian stable/testing |
| 14:25.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: So what do I do? Download glibc and manually compile it? |
| 14:25.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Warsow* |
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| 14:25.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: It's a game. |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | it's a game ... and he's not the first to ask IIRC |
| 14:25.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: And it's in beta. |
| 14:26.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | You can't expect them to write a game to be compatible with Red Hat. |
| 14:26.21 | azeem | I didn't say write, I said build |
| 14:26.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's like writing a mission-critical application to use on Sid. |
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| 14:26.41 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: ask them .. not us |
| 14:26.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Well, I'm sure they would have if they had time |
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| 14:26.44 | azeem | I assume they don't actually use any of the glibc-2.4 features |
| 14:26.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm just asking what to do? Do I compile it myself? |
| 14:26.57 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: otherwise, check out http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/warsow/?rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 14:27.09 | azeem | which should help compiling it yourself |
| 14:27.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ooh, it's there? :D |
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| 14:27.54 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a problem: while trying to send files to phone using obexftp -b 00:12:D2:12:50:D9 -p /home/user/other.png | it says No custom transport | falied to connect |
| 14:28.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: So are those debs? Or how do I use it? |
| 14:28.30 | azeem | they aren't |
| 14:28.45 | azeem | it's a svn tree of a debian/ directory suitable for building the debs yourself |
| 14:28.47 | azeem | if you know how |
| 14:28.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't |
| 14:28.56 | azeem | if not, wait untils somebody else provides .debs |
| 14:29.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I do in the mean time? Compile my own glibc? |
| 14:29.25 | WorkRoey | hi all |
| 14:29.28 | WorkRoey | abrotman: heya! |
| 14:29.34 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: no |
| 14:29.39 | azeem | you do nothing |
| 14:29.49 | WorkRoey | What is the Debian replacement for package libfile-next-perl? I try to install it and I get: E: Package libfile-next-perl has no installation candidate |
| 14:29.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's not an option, I'm addicted to this game ;) |
| 14:30.04 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: you can subscribe to bug #375430 if you want to check on the Debian status |
| 14:30.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | WorkRoey: apt-cach search |
| 14:30.25 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: then pay some Debian developer to provide you with debs or so |
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| 14:30.54 | azeem | or, as I mentioned above, ask the upstream devs to compile a version with glibc-2.3 instead of glibc-2.4 |
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| 14:31.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: So my version is too new? |
| 14:31.22 | WorkRoey | Dark_Apostrophe: ok... the reason I need libfile-next-perl is because slimserver depends on it |
| 14:31.22 | azeem | version of what? |
| 14:31.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Glibc |
| 14:32.13 | azeem | 15:11 < azeem> Dark_Apostrophe: that binary you have needs a newer version of glibc than is available |
| 14:32.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | WorkRoey: No idea then... sorry |
| 14:32.19 | WorkRoey | ok |
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| 14:32.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Ok, but you confused me when you said I should get glibc 2.3 instead of 2.4 |
| 14:32.52 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: you shouldn't get any glibc |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | you should get *them* to build a binary that works on glibc2.3 |
| 14:33.02 | azeem | right |
| 14:33.16 | azeem | or build it yourself |
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| 14:33.38 | TMM | hi all! anyone here proficient with debian installer preseed files? I have been able to get it to do exactly what I want, minus the partitioning, it is driving me nuts. If I use an example partitioning scheme it works, but whenever I make changes d-i just doesn't want to make any partitions. I can't find any docs on what the numbers mean as well |
| 14:33.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm a bit of a typical end user when it comes to games, I just want it to work. :P |
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| 14:34.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got nVIDIA's blob installed, though I'd like to use Nouveau if it worked at this point. |
| 14:34.20 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: we already told you your options, this is getting iterative now |
| 14:34.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Fine. |
| 14:34.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Adios. :) |
| 14:34.50 | azeem | TMM: try to ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, maybe |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: this is similar to buying a game that doesn't work on Windows 95 anymore, but does work on Windows XP .. got it ? |
| 14:35.01 | TMM | azeem: thanks |
| 14:35.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Yeah, I got it.. |
| 14:35.12 | azeem | except you can't upgrade Debian to work in this case |
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| 14:35.22 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: the difference here is that you can compile the game to work on your "win95" |
| 14:35.29 | Danielss89 | how do i open and edit a binary file? |
| 14:35.40 | azeem | Danielss89: why do you need to? |
| 14:35.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Or I can upgrade to Sid. :P |
| 14:36.07 | Danielss89 | i found 'hellfire' in alias.db and want to change it.. |
| 14:36.36 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: no, Sid doesn't have glibc-2.4 either |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: NO .. you can't |
| 14:36.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alright...fine. |
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| 14:37.01 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i just went over this a few weeks ago with another bloke .. |
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| 14:37.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
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| 14:37.29 | Diamond | Hi |
| 14:37.48 | Diamond | does anyone knows a program that can unzip .zip files |
| 14:37.50 | Diamond | in debian ? |
| 14:37.55 | azeem | Diamond: unzip |
| 14:37.57 | Ronin | Diamond: unzip |
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| 14:38.18 | ceztko | hi! |
| 14:38.21 | Diamond | ok |
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| 14:40.02 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: using the source azeem showed you, it might be possible to build your own package (or you can ask/pay a DD to do it for you) |
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| 14:40.46 | MsgToThePpl | Someone has time to help me w/bluetooth ? |
| 14:40.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I would've paid to have someone help finish Etch already, had I had the money. :) |
| 14:41.06 | ceztko | all: question about unix permissions: in my system, i'm ceztko:users, and i'm also member of "projectgroup". There's a dir "project", owned by apache:projectgroup with perms 770. Is it possible that, when i enter in this directory "project", ownership of files created by me is set as ceztko:projectgroup ? |
| 14:41.11 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: hardware helps too :) |
| 14:41.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Old, shitty hardware? :P |
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| 14:41.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | As in SD-RAM old? |
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| 14:48.43 | hypno | anyone know of a text mode (ncurses etc) app to change network settings? |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | ethconf or something of that sort |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | perhaps etherconf |
| 14:49.54 | hypno | thanks! |
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| 14:51.51 | ruied | hi! I want to make a linux router with Gbit ethernets, which brand shall I buy? |
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| 14:52.34 | ruied | nic brand... |
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| 14:53.05 | thinkmassive | hello, I have appended contrib to the default /etc/apt/sources.list but I get an error when I run apt-get that says W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org stable/contrib ..... |
| 14:53.10 | blondie | !hcl |
| 14:53.10 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 14:55.22 | thinkmassive | is this the correct format for /etc/apt/sources.list? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
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| 14:58.19 | EnsignRedshirt | Is debian backports on-topic here? |
| 14:59.50 | jelly-home | thinkmassive: It looks all right, does losing the debian/ part help? |
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| 15:00.29 | azeem | EnsignRedshirt: probably, what's your question? |
| 15:01.08 | thinkmassive | jelly-home: nope, that makes nothing work |
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| 15:02.04 | thinkmassive | oh man, it works when the contrib entry is on another line |
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| 15:02.11 | thinkmassive | jelly: thanks anyway |
| 15:02.21 | EnsignRedshirt | azeem: I am trying to install flashplugin-nonfree. It tries to download a file from http://downloads.macromedia.com/pubs/..., but there is no such URL. |
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| 15:03.00 | azeem | EnsignRedshirt: Adobe now provides a native Flash Player, better install that I guess |
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| 15:03.57 | EnsignRedshirt | azeem: Actually, I thought that is what installing the package would do. |
| 15:04.36 | azeem | EnsignRedshirt: it got released last week or so, I doubt the package has been updated for it |
| 15:04.40 | azeem | dunno. |
| 15:04.51 | EnsignRedshirt | azeem: Ah, I see. Thanks, I'll look for it. |
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| 15:11.12 | christopherl | is there any program that let's you customize the tooltips? |
| 15:11.28 | azeem | christopherl: which tooltips? |
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| 15:13.43 | adrake | question: I tried to install openswan at one point, and the configuration never completed (had to ctrl-c because it hangs). I have tried upgrading the package, removing, dpkg --purge packagename, etc but it always hangs. Is there a way to get rid of this openswan package so that I can install/remove other software? Right now I'm stuck. |
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| 15:16.05 | jhasse | Can i generate the dependencies for a binary deb package when i only have the binary? I can view them with ldd, but how to covert it to package names? |
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| 15:17.47 | abrotman | !tell DRoBeR about awya |
| 15:17.48 | abrotman | !tell DRoBeR about away |
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| 15:19.30 | adrake | question: I tried to install openswan at one point, and the configuration never completed (had to ctrl-c because it hangs). I have tried upgrading the package, removing, dpkg --purge packagename, etc but it always hangs. Is there a way to get rid of this openswan package so that I can install/remove other software? Right now I'm stuck. |
| 15:19.56 | adrake | FYI: It hangs at "Disabling opportunistic encryption (OE) in config file ... already diabled" |
| 15:20.19 | justin | adrake: run ps? |
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| 15:21.48 | stew | adrake: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/openswan.postinst ; you can put "set -x" as the second line of the script so that it will print exactly what its doing, which might help you debug what is going on. or you can put "exit 0" instead to just skip the postinst |
| 15:21.50 | Diamond | Hi |
| 15:21.58 | Diamond | i have question |
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| 15:22.10 | Diamond | can someone look at my page and tell me what could be the problem |
| 15:22.11 | azeem | Diamond: stew is here to help you |
| 15:22.27 | Diamond | kay |
| 15:22.27 | Diamond | xd |
| 15:22.28 | stew | adrake: you should also check http://bugs.debian.org/packagename to see if a bug (and maybe a solution) has been posted |
| 15:22.40 | adrake | justin: while trying to uninstall there are multiple openswan processes going, but it's not running in the background |
| 15:23.08 | justin | adrake: if you killed them it would probably continue |
| 15:23.15 | justin | or just do what stew said, which always works |
| 15:23.53 | azeem | Diamond: just kidding, you need to tell us your actual problem before we can solve it |
| 15:24.01 | azeem | or at least tell us which page we should look at |
| 15:24.04 | adrake | justin: Looked at the bugs site, don't see anything like what I'm experiencing |
| 15:24.13 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:24.15 | justin | adrake: the first thing he said |
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| 15:24.39 | adrake | justin: Only one similar thing, but in his case installation was successful, and in mine it hangs before installation is complete |
| 15:26.32 | Diamond | azeem |
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| 15:26.44 | Diamond | : you see the page ? |
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| 15:27.16 | Ronin | Diamond: we need a url of some sort to see |
| 15:27.42 | azeem | Diamond: in case you're trying to /msg it to me, you're not registered so I won't see it |
| 15:27.55 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:27.57 | azeem | plus you shouldn't do that anyway |
| 15:28.12 | adrake | justin: (and stew) Looks like it's hanging at +invoke-rc.d ipsec restart |
| 15:28.12 | azeem | so either tell us a URL in here, or move on |
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| 15:28.34 | ^Timo^ | you see |
| 15:28.35 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 15:28.46 | ^Timo^ | i use a php script |
| 15:28.48 | azeem | see what? |
| 15:28.51 | ^Timo^ | HuH |
| 15:29.09 | ^Timo^ | are you seeing something now ? |
| 15:29.24 | azeem | ^Timo^: as I said before, don't /msg people in here |
| 15:29.32 | streuner | !nickometer ^Timo^ |
| 15:29.33 | dpkg | '^Timo^' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 15:30.03 | ^Timo^ | wtf.. |
| 15:30.17 | ^Timo^ | you just sayd i must msg you.. |
| 15:30.18 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 15:30.34 | ^Timo^ | i just want to know whats wrong with it |
| 15:30.37 | ^Timo^ | ;) |
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| 15:31.37 | streuner | surely nobody said this before to you, and you didn't read the join message of chanserv either. |
| 15:31.53 | ^Timo^ | yes i have read it |
| 15:31.54 | ^Timo^ | .. |
| 15:32.03 | streuner | but you just ignored it. |
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| 15:32.08 | ^Timo^ | nope.. |
| 15:32.10 | shafire | hello i have a problem |
| 15:32.16 | shafire | #when i want aptitude install lighttpd |
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| 15:32.20 | shafire | it want to install php4 |
| 15:32.26 | shafire | but i dont want php4 |
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| 15:32.37 | Yannochka | lol |
| 15:32.37 | streuner | hm, if its in the depends you have to live with it then |
| 15:32.45 | adrake | stew: put in the "exit 0" to skip postint, install completed, now trying to remove...hanging again :) |
| 15:32.46 | justin | 'aptitude install lighttpd php4-' |
| 15:32.49 | ^Timo^ | okay well |
| 15:32.54 | ^Timo^ | my page is www.knowledgeshare.nl |
| 15:33.01 | ^Timo^ | can someone look @ it for me |
| 15:33.08 | ^Timo^ | and explain me whats wrong with it... |
| 15:33.20 | justin | adrake: do the same exit 0 for the other scripts |
| 15:33.31 | shafire | junix, don't work |
| 15:33.35 | Polleke | ^Timo^, PHP is not being parsed. Fix your httpd |
| 15:33.42 | Ronin | did you forget some <html> etc ^Timo^ ? |
| 15:33.43 | stew | adrake: do the same for prerm / postrm |
| 15:33.53 | abrotman | libapache-mod-php4 |
| 15:33.59 | shafire | no |
| 15:34.00 | shafire | php5 |
| 15:34.00 | ^Timo^ | nope |
| 15:34.00 | shafire | ! |
| 15:34.02 | Yannochka | lol |
| 15:34.04 | adrake | justin: but wont that leave all the stuff on my machine since the scripts are exiting before they complete all the tasks |
| 15:34.04 | ^Timo^ | its a php-fuzion script |
| 15:34.11 | Ronin | ahh php heh |
| 15:34.16 | justin | adrake: maybe, what do the scripts do? |
| 15:34.27 | ^Timo^ | when i install a theme its giving this |
| 15:34.27 | ^Timo^ | ;x |
| 15:34.28 | streuner | Yannochka: are you able to something else other than 'lol'? |
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| 15:34.37 | streuner | Yannochka: say* |
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| 15:34.51 | Yannochka | maybe |
| 15:35.03 | rhsanborn | Anyone know of a place where I can find out where a certain package is? Apt-cache isn't showing the one I need |
| 15:35.04 | streuner | well, that's a good start :-) |
| 15:35.04 | shafire | php4-cgi php4-common is a recommendation from the package lighttpd, not depents on it... why it want to install it :O |
| 15:35.05 | jelly-home | does mutt (or any other mail client, fwiw) work with IDN in recipient address? |
| 15:35.09 | Yannochka | i'll never try something else |
| 15:35.12 | ^Timo^ | what can i do about it ? |
| 15:35.21 | ^Timo^ | it need php5 and apach2 |
| 15:35.24 | justin | !tell rhsanborn about search |
| 15:35.27 | ^Timo^ | i have installed both |
| 15:36.07 | adrake | justin: no clue, but it all went through |
| 15:36.18 | rhsanborn | justin, thanks |
| 15:36.36 | ^Timo^ | Polleke : <Polleke> ^Timo^, PHP is not being parsed. Fix your httpd ??? whats the meaning of that ? |
| 15:36.53 | Yannochka | ^Timo^ check your /etc/apache2/Mods-availables/ and /mods-enabled/ |
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| 15:37.01 | Polleke | ^Timo^, kinda what it says... |
| 15:37.05 | Yannochka | ^Timo^ check your /etc/apache2/mods-availabled/ and /mods-enabled/ |
| 15:37.10 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 15:37.36 | Yannochka | you'have to see a link between php5 aned apache2 |
| 15:37.40 | Yannochka | ln |
| 15:37.59 | Yannochka | (Where is my "Lol"?) |
| 15:38.28 | ^Timo^ | http://www.pastebin.ca/324645 |
| 15:38.33 | ^Timo^ | thats whats inthere |
| 15:38.37 | adrake | bah, installed SSHFS but it's saying FATAL: Module fuse not found, and I can't modprobe it, and I don't know what package it's in :) |
| 15:38.43 | rhsanborn | Doesn't look like it exists, I'll have to compile it I s'pose |
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| 15:39.15 | Yannochka | ok ls -la |
| 15:39.27 | shafire | how can i install lighttpd without php4? |
| 15:39.38 | Yannochka | check your /mods-enabled/ |
| 15:39.41 | olorin | hi everybody ? do you some some good unofficial repository with beryl for debian/testing ? |
| 15:39.43 | Yannochka | and do ls -la |
| 15:40.08 | streuner | !tell olorin about beryl |
| 15:40.36 | ^Timo^ | Yannochka : where must i search for |
| 15:40.38 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 15:40.48 | olorin | streuner, oops, "do you know some" ...? |
| 15:40.57 | streuner | read the factoid |
| 15:41.17 | RvGaTe | How can i kill an active ftp connection? i have 4 authorised ftp connections coming from the same ip... altho i clearly stated him to use only 1 connection... so i want to drop the other 3.. how wuold i do this ? |
| 15:41.21 | vlt | Hello. I want to move my existing Sarge install to another disk. GRUB now boots from hd(0,0) which contains /boot/grub/menu.lst in an ext3 file system. How do I tell grub on the new disk to boot from hd(0,0) but not from /boot/grub/menu.lst but only /grub/menu.lst and that it will be ext2? |
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| 15:41.41 | fireba11 | RvGaTe: limit it in your setup so it doesn't happen :-) |
| 15:41.43 | cockroach | hi. i'd like to prevent my etch system from loading the NIC's kernel module so I added it to hotplug's blacklist and inserted corresponding skip lines for discover but for some reason it's still loaded. what else could i do? |
| 15:42.07 | RvGaTe | fireba11, i dont want to limit everyone, i just want to kill the other 3... |
| 15:42.17 | Yannochka | here : /etc/apache2/mods-enabled <== see is the links with mods-available areactive |
| 15:42.20 | ^Timo^ | Yannochka : http://www.pastebin.ca/324649 |
| 15:42.32 | Polleke | cockroach, removing the module is a very simple but effective measure :p |
| 15:42.33 | ^Timo^ | thats whats in mods-enabled |
| 15:42.54 | Yannochka | ok so php5 not work? |
| 15:43.13 | cockroach | Polleke: heh, true, but i might want to use it at a later point |
| 15:43.14 | ^Timo^ | i think its working |
| 15:43.18 | ^Timo^ | php-fuzion is working |
| 15:43.48 | Yannochka | <? phpinfo(); ?> <== test your version |
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| 15:51.23 | JordiGH2 | How can I make Totem play .wmv files? |
| 15:51.31 | shafire | why is aptitude so much installing than apt-get? |
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| 15:51.46 | Ronin | pardon shafire ? |
| 15:51.55 | kisielk_jp | because aptitude installs recommended packages |
| 15:52.02 | kisielk_jp | automatically |
| 15:52.22 | HymnToLife | !w32codecs JordiGH2 |
| 15:52.24 | JordiGH2 | shafire: you can configure aptitude to not install recommends. |
| 15:52.27 | HymnToLife | !w32codecs | JordiGH2 |
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| 15:52.48 | HymnToLife | !w32codecs |
| 15:52.48 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. https://shop.fluendo.com/ |
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| 15:53.22 | HymnToLife | sorry, thought I was in #ubuntu :p |
| 15:53.22 | JordiGH2 | Yeah, I got it from Marillat. |
| 15:53.22 | crookshanks | hey guys, did a dist-upgrade lately, and now every single GTK app I have does a "double free or corruption (fasttop)" and crashes, any ideas? |
| 15:53.22 | HymnToLife | totem-xine or gstreamer ? |
| 15:53.26 | JordiGH2 | But aptitude installing it didn't make Totem play movies... |
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| 15:54.09 | JordiGH2 | Oh, never mind. It works now. Wtf. |
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| 15:55.27 | JordiGH2 | crookshanks, Oy, sounds like a nasty bug. Someone isn't deallocating memory properly in their code. :-( |
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| 15:55.50 | Ronin | heh aptitude is on crack on my sarge box, want to remove evolution becasue its unused, damn app has only been open and running on the machine for over a year |
| 15:56.19 | jelly-home | Hi, dist-upgrade wants to install a new packageith RC bugs. How can I tell it not to install it? apt-listbugs tried pinning it but that didn't help: http://paste.debian.net/20547 |
| 15:56.29 | azeem | Ronin: without a restart? |
| 15:56.34 | JordiGH2 | Curiously enough, how frequently an app is used has got nothing to do with whether aptitude thinks it's unused or not. |
| 15:56.40 | crookshanks | JordiGH2: =( |
| 15:56.41 | Ronin | azeem: yep |
| 15:57.07 | azeem | Ronin: then it sounds like a bug rather than "being on crack". It should check for running processes as well as file access times |
| 15:57.29 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all \o> |
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| 15:57.48 | jelly-home | azeem: what would it take for the "being on crack" description to fit? :-> |
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| 15:57.50 | Ronin | azeem: indeed, guess i have something to look into when i get home |
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| 15:58.28 | PingFloyd | Ronin: may be because perhaps it pulled in automatically as a recommend or something |
| 15:59.32 | kisielk_jp | the used/unused criteria is pretty simple |
| 15:59.43 | kisielk_jp | a package is used if either another package depends on it, or you selected it to be installed |
| 15:59.50 | kisielk_jp | otherwise it's considered unused |
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| 15:59.56 | kisielk_jp | doesn't matter if you access the files or not |
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| 16:00.10 | Ronin | wow they need to work on that criteria then :) |
| 16:00.24 | PingFloyd | Ronin: no, it works fine |
| 16:00.28 | kisielk_jp | makes sense to me |
| 16:00.35 | kisielk_jp | if you don't want it to complain |
| 16:00.40 | kisielk_jp | just change the status of the package |
| 16:01.03 | JordiGH2 | kisielk_jp, wow, thanks. That's what I thought. azeem was making me doubt. |
| 16:01.09 | PingFloyd | Ronin: aptitude it trying to tidy things up automatically like it should, just change the status if you want to override |
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| 16:01.56 | azeem | JordiGH2: I didn't Ronin was misusing aptitude |
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| 16:01.56 | azeem | +know |
| 16:02.15 | Ronin | ya telling it to upgrade is such a misuse |
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| 16:03.03 | kisielk_jp | it's a simple fix, not sure why you're complaining |
| 16:03.09 | kisielk_jp | just set the status to "install" and you're done |
| 16:03.26 | Ronin | so i install say gnome (wifes wm of choice in those days) evolution gets installed with it its gets considered unsed because i didnt choose to install it if i understand correctly |
| 16:03.39 | Ronin | damn, thats bad typing even for me |
| 16:03.46 | kisielk_jp | if nothing depends on it now |
| 16:03.48 | kisielk_jp | then yes, it's unused |
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| 16:04.14 | Ronin | so then i stand by my saying they need to work on that criteria of unused |
| 16:04.23 | Ronin | but like you said i can easily fix it |
| 16:04.24 | JordiGH2 | Ronin: They just need to rename it. |
| 16:04.33 | kisielk_jp | from a package management standpoint |
| 16:04.35 | JordiGH2 | Ronin: Unrequested might be a better name for it. |
| 16:04.36 | kisielk_jp | it *is* unused |
| 16:04.40 | kisielk_jp | because you didn't choose to install it |
| 16:04.41 | Dewi | apt key |
| 16:04.44 | kisielk_jp | and now it's not needed any more |
| 16:04.44 | Dewi | oops |
| 16:04.46 | kisielk_jp | now it's unused |
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| 16:05.14 | Ronin | kisielk_jp: like i said they need to work on that :) |
| 16:05.28 | PingFloyd | Ronin: no, you need to learn how aptitude works |
| 16:05.37 | kisielk_jp | WHY do they need to work on it? |
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| 16:05.42 | kisielk_jp | It's a package that you didn't ask to install |
| 16:05.42 | JordiGH2 | Ronin: Huh? |
| 16:05.43 | kisielk_jp | and it's not needed |
| 16:05.53 | PingFloyd | aptitude isn't psychic |
| 16:05.56 | kisielk_jp | so why would the system want to keep it around? |
| 16:06.01 | kisielk_jp | how does it know you actually want it |
| 16:06.03 | kisielk_jp | if you never said so |
| 16:06.21 | azeem | Ronin: maybe it works better if you install the GNOME task |
| 16:06.29 | GeorgeS069 | then call it "not needed" instead of "not used" :) |
| 16:06.50 | kisielk_jp | it's not a huge deal, simple semantics |
| 16:06.55 | kisielk_jp | I mean honestly |
| 16:07.11 | kisielk_jp | aptitude is a tool for admins, not clueless users |
| 16:07.21 | kisielk_jp | it's supposed to make life easier for people who know what they're doing |
| 16:07.35 | kisielk_jp | not hold your hand |
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| 16:07.58 | kisielk_jp | and it does a damn good job for its intended purpose |
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| 16:08.06 | jelly-home | kisielk_jp: what would you suggest clueless users to use for updating their installation? |
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| 16:08.20 | JordiGH2 | Didn't I hear that Ubuntu had this "add/remove programs" thing that installed and uninstalled batches of packages at once instead of individual packages? |
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| 16:08.39 | tonyb2006 | JordiGH2: synaptic? |
| 16:08.48 | kisielk_jp | jelly-home, I'm not a good person to ask that question :) |
| 16:08.51 | tonyb2006 | and this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 16:08.53 | JordiGH2 | No, not synaptic... Another GNOME app. It's more Windowsy. |
| 16:09.08 | kisielk_jp | I don't even have a GUI on any of my debian machines |
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| 16:09.13 | kisielk_jp | so it's aptitude for me.. |
| 16:09.20 | tonyb2006 | yay aptitude |
| 16:09.23 | kisielk_jp | I haven't kept up with the development of the other tools |
| 16:09.36 | kisielk_jp | I'm sure ubuntu has some nice ones |
| 16:09.39 | JordiGH2 | aptitude is pretty friendly once you get used to its quirks. |
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| 16:10.04 | kisielk_jp | JordiGH2, well, yes it's great, but you have to admit the target audience is the more experienced users.. |
| 16:10.07 | bib | hahaha |
| 16:10.10 | JordiGH2 | I like its conflict resolution scheme. :-) |
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| 16:10.33 | JordiGH2 | tonyb2006, apt-get is dumb about conflict resolution sometimes. It also doesn't clean up after itself. |
| 16:10.35 | kisielk_jp | I would never recommend it to a beginner |
| 16:10.41 | JordiGH2 | tonyb2006, and its source is a mess. :P |
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| 16:11.08 | kisielk_jp | it's like handing someone a loaded gun, putting their finger on the trigger, and pointing it at their foot :) |
| 16:11.16 | kisielk_jp | only one step away |
| 16:11.16 | kisielk_jp | heh |
| 16:11.24 | tonyb2006 | JordiGH2: i like to clean up its mistakes |
| 16:11.25 | PingFloyd | kisielk_jp: aptitude isn't that complex |
| 16:11.25 | tonyb2006 | it occupys me |
| 16:11.43 | tonyb2006 | except now i cant run 32bit gtk apps properly |
| 16:11.46 | JordiGH2 | kisielk_jp, oh, come now. It's not that bad. aptitude's pretty damn friendly. |
| 16:11.52 | tonyb2006 | all the fonts are squares |
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| 16:12.01 | kisielk_jp | JordiGH2, if you're experienced, yes |
| 16:12.05 | JordiGH2 | tonyb2006, I had that problem once. I think installing xfs fixed it. |
| 16:12.14 | tonyb2006 | well im on x86_64 |
| 16:12.16 | PingFloyd | takes just reading it's manual |
| 16:12.17 | kisielk_jp | JordiGH2, the average person wouldn't even be able to figure out the keybindings |
| 16:12.28 | tonyb2006 | so running 32bit apps in itself is a stretch |
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| 16:12.45 | JordiGH2 | kisielk_jp, I guess the average person is illiterate... and wouldn't think of using a mouse? |
| 16:12.52 | PingFloyd | kisielk_jp: why is that? all they got to do is hit ? |
| 16:13.07 | PingFloyd | brings up a quick reference of the most used bindings |
| 16:13.19 | kisielk_jp | yes but its still confusing to the average person |
| 16:13.25 | JordiGH2 | I think kisielk_jp just wants to feel extra l33t for using aptitude while the unwashed masses use... synaptic? |
| 16:13.30 | PingFloyd | and of the the different symbols for actions and status |
| 16:13.37 | kisielk_jp | JordiGH2, not at all |
| 16:13.57 | kisielk_jp | JordiGH2, I worked for quite some time in helpdesk at a company full of engineers no less |
| 16:14.03 | PingFloyd | JordiGH2: haha |
| 16:14.25 | JordiGH2 | Tell you what. I'll teach my extra non-l33t gf to use aptitude. I bet she gets it eventually. :-) |
| 16:14.30 | kisielk_jp | heh |
| 16:14.34 | kisielk_jp | look |
| 16:14.38 | kisielk_jp | I never said people shouldn't use it |
| 16:14.43 | tonyb2006 | the pig commands you |
| 16:14.47 | kisielk_jp | I said I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner |
| 16:14.53 | PingFloyd | kisielk_jp: I've worked at help desks, as CST, and admin, and believe me, it all means didly squat |
| 16:14.55 | kisielk_jp | and that it's not exactly intuitive |
| 16:15.12 | JordiGH2 | Well... |
| 16:15.24 | JordiGH2 | Ok, I do suppose it takes some work to learn how use it. |
| 16:15.26 | mindframe | i installed debian etch w/ lilo onto this dell optiplex 320, and the boot menu will not come up. i have install=menu set in lilo.conf and lilo recognizes multiple images when i run "lilo".(i would have used grub but it doesnt work on this box). does anyone know why the boot menu wont come up? i really need this machine to dual boot. |
| 16:15.44 | kisielk_jp | yes, and it's not too hard to make mistakes if you don't know it well |
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| 16:16.05 | kisielk_jp | that was my only point really |
| 16:16.13 | PingFloyd | but so is apt-get |
| 16:16.29 | kisielk_jp | well, yes, but I think somewhat to a lesser degree |
| 16:16.35 | PingFloyd | and dpkg |
| 16:16.37 | kisielk_jp | since apt-get doesn't do a lot of things automatically by default |
| 16:16.41 | kisielk_jp | whereas aptitude does |
| 16:17.01 | PingFloyd | kisielk_jp: that is true about automatically doing things |
| 16:17.59 | kisielk_jp | although I still think aptitude is better as long as you understand its behaviour |
| 16:18.15 | PingFloyd | anyway the whole issue that Ronin was running into, that's where people need to make sure they mark automatically installed packages as installed, that they know they always want to keep |
| 16:18.26 | PingFloyd | best way is to check the screen that comes up when you hit g |
| 16:18.45 | kisielk_jp | yes |
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| 16:18.48 | PingFloyd | it's always a good practice to glance over that list it brings up before hitting g again |
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| 16:18.56 | kisielk_jp | indeed |
| 16:19.10 | PingFloyd | to make sure aptitude is making the kind of assumptions that you are happy with |
| 16:19.17 | kisielk_jp | or before you know it, your kernel packages will be getting uninstalled, etc |
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| 16:20.14 | PingFloyd | and that's the point this whole conversation though, to automate anything, assumptions have to be made in some form and in some manner, so the user must know when to intervene with that |
| 16:20.32 | kisielk_jp | exactly |
| 16:20.41 | PingFloyd | no assumption can cover every scenario |
| 16:20.45 | kisielk_jp | at least until we develop those psychic computers |
| 16:20.58 | kisielk_jp | but that's some years away at least :) |
| 16:21.12 | PingFloyd | kisielk_jp: well, they now have computers that can be guided by thoughts |
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| 16:21.58 | PingFloyd | if you don't mind a clunky device interfacing with an interface that's has been installed into your skull :) |
| 16:22.42 | kisielk_jp | I think I'll pass on that |
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| 16:23.40 | kisielk_jp | as a designer of various clunky (and non-clunky) devices, there's no way in heck I'm letting anything interface to my skull |
| 16:23.40 | kisielk_jp | heh |
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| 16:24.50 | JordiGH2 | So now that we're O |
| 16:25.06 | JordiGH2 | OT, PingFloyd, are you serious? |
| 16:25.29 | kisielk_jp | it was on that green tech news site some days back |
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| 16:25.59 | kisielk_jp | anyway, it's real late, time for bed |
| 16:26.04 | kisielk_jp | been a pleasure |
| 16:26.13 | mindframe | does anyone know why the lilo boot menu wont come up? i have install=menu set in lilo.conf and lilo recognizes multiple images when i run "lilo". When I turn the machine on it boots directly into my linux install.(i would have used grub but it doesnt work on this box) |
| 16:26.17 | rahul | mind-controlled computers have been around for months |
| 16:27.43 | bib | huh? |
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| 16:28.28 | PingFloyd | all I know, is I saw some show on discovery about some the progress they're making with them |
| 16:28.49 | JordiGH2 | Remember how in Neuromancer "Micro-Soft" was stuff you put directly into your brain in order to interface with machines? |
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| 16:31.42 | Chrom_ | mindframe: have you changed the lilo configuration? |
| 16:32.01 | Chrom_ | did you remember of running "lilo" after updating lilo.conf? |
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| 16:33.06 | Polleke | the recommended way to remove a deamon from startup is for example: update-rc.d -f netatalk remove; Correct? |
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| 16:34.46 | Polleke | doing something like chmod -x /etc/init.d/netatalk is not? |
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| 16:35.43 | iturk | hi there i need to reintall fonts for a user some application its crashing but not in root and its sending an error that cannot load some font before! |
| 16:36.03 | iturk | how to reinstall fonts for a user? |
| 16:36.15 | azeem | Polleke: the former is the Debian way, but you're the admin and chmod -x is fine as well |
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| 16:38.24 | Polleke | azeem, I'm used to slackware, and the "official" way there is chmod -x. Then I used gentoo, and messed up half the bootscripts doing that... The debian reference docs describe update-rc.d as a package manager tool, not an end user tool |
| 16:39.08 | karsten | Polleke: update-rc.d is what you want. |
| 16:39.22 | Polleke | thanks |
| 16:39.43 | raf256 | Hello, I have a quick question, which video card do You use? Nvidia, Radeon, Intell or other? |
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| 16:40.04 | azeem | raf256: this is not a poll station |
| 16:40.16 | cahoot | the answer is obviously yes |
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| 16:40.33 | raf256 | azeem: are you aware debian is the only channel which makes problems out of such questions? |
| 16:40.43 | azeem | raf256: I don't care |
| 16:40.48 | karsten | raf256: Radeon / SIS on two laptops. For desktop I'd pick supported HW and _not_ nvidia. |
| 16:40.50 | rahul | raf256: no, it's not |
| 16:40.55 | raf256 | karsten: thanks |
| 16:41.09 | Polleke | raf256, no this wouldnt be the only channel... |
| 16:41.32 | karsten | azeem: I think this is a reasonable question. Polls of the sort "does anyone use <X application>" as a preamble for questions on that app are annoying. |
| 16:41.33 | rahul | raf256: I would never hang out in a channel that allowed such pointless spam |
| 16:42.01 | rahul | karsten: what could anyone expect to learn from such a question, tho? |
| 16:42.33 | karsten | rahul: Oh, perhaps a discussion of the merits of open, fully specced cards with GPLd drivers rather than binary blobs. |
| 16:42.42 | mindframe | Chrom_, yes i ran lilo, and it recognizes multiple images (Linux = default, windows = secondary) |
| 16:42.42 | rahul | karsten: ah, but that isn't what was asked :) |
| 16:42.48 | raf256 | rahul: to learn how meany people use what.... |
| 16:42.55 | karsten | rahul: Then the trick is in how it's answered. |
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| 16:43.06 | rahul | raf256: I use an ati radeon pro 9700 |
| 16:43.41 | rahul | raf256: from what I hear, I'd have much better luck getting an nvidia to work. |
| 16:44.04 | rahul | but that's in direct contradiction to what karsten said :) |
| 16:44.39 | karsten | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500], which does dual head under RHEL4. Haven't sorted that under Debian yet (there's an ATI xorg driver needed) but haven't tried very hard either. |
| 16:44.41 | raf256 | rahul: do you think you might switch to nvidia? Some people state that nvidia is only used by idiots or traitors (due to the closed source driver so far) |
| 16:44.44 | shafire | how is the verdana font in windows called in linux? |
| 16:44.47 | karsten | This laptop dual-boots. |
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| 16:44.49 | mikefoo | is I scp a remote directory every day and there and file changes on remote directory files. does scp just overwrite by default? |
| 16:44.56 | rahul | raf256: ATI has a closed source driver, too |
| 16:45.04 | rahul | shafire: verdana |
| 16:45.04 | karsten | mikefoo: Rephrase. |
| 16:45.09 | raf256 | rahul: ATI is closed-source-only? |
| 16:45.16 | rahul | raf256: as much as nvidia is |
| 16:45.21 | shafire | rahul, is verdana standard? |
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| 16:45.22 | rahul | raf256: which is not at all |
| 16:45.37 | raf256 | rahul: uhm |
| 16:45.40 | rahul | shafire: I don't know what "standard" means here |
| 16:45.41 | karsten | mikefoo: In general, if you copy on top of a file, yes, you lose the previous content of similarly named files. If you want a version control system, use one. |
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| 16:45.53 | raf256 | do ATI have open and functionall driver? [in debian] |
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| 16:45.58 | shafire | rahul, included in the installation |
| 16:46.02 | rahul | raf256: as much as nvidia has |
| 16:46.09 | rahul | shafire: it is if you install it |
| 16:46.10 | mikefoo | now I just need a current copy of the thats all |
| 16:46.16 | raf256 | so i810/915/945 driver the only one with is both open as fully functional |
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| 16:46.28 | stew | huh? |
| 16:46.45 | raf256 | * that was a question |
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| 16:47.08 | jelly-home | raf256: if you "a recent card mean having an OpenGL driver", yes. |
| 16:47.15 | rahul | this seems to be one of those "I heard my ass is hot" deals. |
| 16:47.17 | raf256 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 16:47.35 | rahul | having an open-source opengl driver. |
| 16:47.42 | jelly-home | But R200 based cards work with free drivers well too. |
| 16:48.35 | raf256 | I know a person which claims that only idiots or traitors use nvidia card (especially on closed nvidia driver)... any opinions on that subject? |
| 16:48.38 | stew | and a slew of ati cards, no? |
| 16:48.40 | stew | oh is r200 ati? |
| 16:48.45 | azeem | yes |
| 16:48.48 | rahul | a "slew"? |
| 16:48.54 | rahul | a slew of ancient ati cards. |
| 16:49.06 | jelly-home | yeah, R200 is a chip family used in older Radeons. |
| 16:49.13 | rahul | recent and ancient are different things :) |
| 16:49.18 | h3sp4wn | upto X850 can now work with radeon |
| 16:49.36 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: oh, even 3d? |
| 16:50.39 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: mostly complete - I think rander acceleration is not there |
| 16:51.00 | Flimqy | I am setting up a couple of Linux routers that boot off of USB flash media. I read once that flash media has a limited write capacity before it can fail. I'm curious if, on current flash media, it's a big issue for an application like this if logging is done to a remote host. Should I put the effort into using tmpfs/unionfs to prevent unnecessary writes to the flash media, or is it safe to just use it like a hard drive in a mission-critical setup? |
| 16:51.11 | h3sp4wn | http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html |
| 16:51.21 | h3sp4wn | (that was a while ago) |
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| 16:51.33 | JordiGH2 | raf256: I really wonder if nvidia is acting morally or not by not providing free drivers... they think that free drivers would kill them, but we're not so sure. |
| 16:51.42 | JordiGH2 | !jffs |
| 16:51.54 | rahul | JordiGH2: they're not legally allowed to release free drivers, I thought |
| 16:51.55 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: if it can run quake3 and compiz, it's good enough ;-) |
| 16:52.11 | rahul | JordiGH2: they use code that they licenced from SGI, last I checked. |
| 16:52.29 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: It can definately run compiz etc |
| 16:52.32 | JordiGH2 | rahul: Really? The proprietary world is so strange. |
| 16:52.51 | rahul | I think the problem with ATI is identical |
| 16:52.55 | JordiGH2 | !jffs2 |
| 16:53.04 | azeem | JordiGH2: please /msg the bot |
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| 16:54.04 | JordiGH2 | dpkg, jffs is the Journalling Flash File system. It's a filesystem recommended for flash media where multiple write operations can cause undue wear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS |
| 16:54.04 | dpkg | JordiGH2: okay |
| 16:54.31 | mikefoo | I want to scp a directory to a local machine but I want to tar the directory when saving, can I do this on the fly? |
| 16:54.44 | rahul | tar it remotely. |
| 16:55.05 | azeem | there might be disk space issues |
| 16:55.07 | rahul | ssh ... tar xvf ... > local/file |
| 16:55.12 | JordiGH2 | dpkg, jffs is also superceded by jffs2 |
| 16:55.12 | dpkg | JordiGH2: okay |
| 16:55.12 | rahul | er |
| 16:55.17 | rahul | ssh ... tar xvf - ... > local/file |
| 16:55.19 | azeem | mikefoo: I'm pretty sure you can do it |
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| 16:55.33 | raf256 | JordiGH2: I think open drivers would increaase (a bit) their salesd |
| 16:55.35 | raf256 | * sales |
| 16:55.53 | jelly-home | mikefoo: tar cf - foo-dir | ssh somewhere 'cd dest; tar xfv -' ? |
| 16:56.04 | rahul | grr |
| 16:56.07 | rahul | cf, yes. |
| 16:56.33 | JordiGH2 | raf256: Robert J. Chassell would probably agree with you. However, hardware manufacturers all over the world seem to think that open drivers is almost the same as giving away their hardware for free. |
| 16:56.56 | jelly-home | mikefoo: or something like that... didn't try it and ssh does funny shell unescaping things. |
| 16:56.56 | rahul | JordiGH2: that's because their hardware does basically nothing, these days |
| 16:57.15 | JordiGH2 | rahul, huh? |
| 16:57.19 | rahul | JordiGH2: e.g., those stupid modems that were just primitive sound cards |
| 16:57.29 | JordiGH2 | Oh. |
| 16:57.36 | raf256 | JordiGH2: that is crazy, it is only opening the hardware API/driver, not open sourcing the HARDWARE blueprints itself |
| 16:57.51 | stew | raf256: we've covered this several times in the past |
| 16:58.00 | jelly-home | JordiGH2: weren't there also licensing problems quoted? eg. support for Macrovision? |
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| 16:58.02 | mein_traum | http://mibssam.free.fr/ |
| 16:58.14 | Ronin | no need to spam mein_traum |
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| 16:58.24 | raf256 | stew: we? |
| 16:58.27 | stew | raf256: yes |
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| 16:58.46 | rahul | go figure |
| 16:58.54 | jelly-home | raf256: I distinctly remember you having a discussion like that a few months ago. |
| 16:59.03 | stew | mikefoo: if the directory is remote and you want to create a local tar, you want "ssh user@remotehost tar cv - /path/to/remote/dir > /path/to/local.tar" |
| 16:59.16 | rahul | stew: cvf |
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| 16:59.26 | stew | err |
| 16:59.27 | rahul | file is - |
| 16:59.27 | stew | cf |
| 16:59.28 | stew | not cvf |
| 16:59.38 | raf256 | jelly-home: oops, that is infact possible, sorry then |
| 16:59.44 | rahul | hmm, yeah... but verbose output should go to stderr, I think |
| 16:59.51 | stew | mikefoo: ssh user@remotehost tar cf - /path/to/remote/dir > /path/to/local.tar |
| 16:59.57 | rahul | not sure that would be preserved across ssh, tho |
| 17:00.07 | stew | not sure either |
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| 17:02.51 | stew | rahul: my test says that the v is fine |
| 17:03.00 | rahul | cool |
| 17:03.41 | JordiGH2 | Hm, on this laptop, when I try to use GNOME Power Manager (hereafter, gpm) to suspend, I get a rather uninformative balloon that says "failed to suspend, check the FAQ." A clue to getting a more informative error? |
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| 17:05.08 | krazykit | JordiGH2, try calling gpm from a terminal, perhaps |
| 17:05.57 | JordiGH2 | Another method to suspend? |
| 17:06.05 | JordiGH2 | Maybe the problem is with HAL somewhere. |
| 17:06.05 | krazykit | no |
| 17:06.15 | krazykit | i mean, you might get a better error message |
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| 17:08.02 | rahul | I'm sorry, JordiGH2. I'm afraid I can't do that. |
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| 17:08.36 | JordiGH2 | rahul: Do what? |
| 17:08.53 | rahul | heh |
| 17:09.03 | rahul | !penixstrike JordiGH2 |
| 17:09.03 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking JordiGH2 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 17:11.32 | JordiGH2 | Hmm... a hibernate thing from a root shell does attempt to do some sort of hibernation... |
| 17:11.43 | JordiGH2 | Except it seems I don't have enough disk space? |
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| 17:12.42 | jelly-home | Is there an UI editor for Gtk+ keybindings? |
| 17:13.08 | jelly-home | s/\+// |
| 17:13.34 | azeem | JordiGH2: you need a enough swap partition I believe |
| 17:14.03 | karsten | jelly-home: gconf-editor |
| 17:14.15 | karsten | jelly-home: ... and/or ~/.gtkrc |
| 17:14.24 | JordiGH2 | azeem: Ah, makes sense. My swap partition is smaller than RAM by a large factor. |
| 17:14.25 | karsten | jelly-home: BYOE |
| 17:14.42 | karsten | !BYOE |
| 17:14.42 | dpkg | somebody said byoe was bring your own editor. |
| 17:15.25 | jelly-home | karsten: I'm asking for a specific user interface to edit the keybindings. |
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| 17:15.43 | karsten | jelly-home: And I gave 'em to you. |
| 17:15.51 | enouf_away | supercede was always how I knew the word to be spelled .. I didin't look it up though |
| 17:15.59 | karsten | jelly-home: Fax me a dollar and I'll fax it back to you. |
| 17:16.14 | jelly-home | karsten: will try gconf-editor, thanks |
| 17:17.44 | mindframe | what is the package name for the kernel source? |
| 17:18.02 | karsten | mindframe: kernel-source* or linux-source-* |
| 17:18.03 | stew | mindframe: for which kernel version? |
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| 17:19.58 | inivex | what are the things someone should know before trying to write a program to interface with a serial device? |
| 17:20.28 | inivex | 4 |
| 17:20.52 | inivex | oops, that was for my kvm, forget the 4 |
| 17:21.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, forget 4 |
| 17:21.09 | dpkg | i forgot 4, jelly-home |
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| 17:23.49 | johnny | hi , i'm trying to upgrade a kernel on a debian box i just got, and it wants to install lilo for some reason, even though grub is already installed, is that a problem? |
| 17:23.57 | johnny | i haven't used debian in many moons :( |
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| 17:25.15 | rahul | how did you install grub? |
| 17:25.29 | RichiH | heh, i was about to ask |
| 17:25.42 | johnny | i don't know |
| 17:25.48 | johnny | i didn't do it rather |
| 17:26.02 | johnny | i just got a dedicated server, and this is how it came |
| 17:26.09 | RichiH | johnny: dpkg -l | grep grub |
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| 17:26.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Compiling my own glibc made Warsow run. ;) |
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| 17:26.44 | johnny | this mean it's installed right? ii grub 0.95+cvs200406 GRand Unified Bootloader |
| 17:26.52 | johnny | and i do have a /boot/grub |
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| 17:27.19 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: you did what? |
| 17:27.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: A game (warsow) refused to run cause my glibc version (the one provided by debian) was too old. Compiling a newer version made it run flawlessly. |
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| 17:28.39 | hark | hrm.. |
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| 17:28.46 | mcgreg | heya |
| 17:29.18 | mcgreg | any idea what I need to do to get cups working again? my /dev/usb/lp0 is gone ... and I cant print anymore |
| 17:29.19 | piper69 | morning all |
| 17:29.33 | johnny | this system came with a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:29.40 | RichiH | !find cpansign |
| 17:29.41 | mcgreg | morning piper69 |
| 17:29.43 | johnny | that sounds normal |
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| 17:29.56 | johnny | i was hoping to upgrade it |
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| 17:30.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cpansign' (1): (/usr/bin/cpansign) in perl/libmodule-signature-perl. |
| 17:30.07 | johnny | so.. |
| 17:30.13 | Arr | hello |
| 17:30.20 | johnny | RichiH, does that help you? |
| 17:30.21 | hark | !tell RichiH about search |
| 17:30.31 | blondie | mcgreg: do you have the usblp module loaded? |
| 17:30.45 | mcgreg | blondie: it should, it worked all the time |
| 17:31.01 | blondie | but is it loaded? |
| 17:31.06 | blondie | lsmod | grep usblp |
| 17:31.29 | Arr | have someone server with lsi megaraid 8300xlp? |
| 17:31.29 | mcgreg | usblp 15776 0 |
| 17:31.29 | mcgreg | usbcore 146592 7 usblp,usb_storage,usbhid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 17:31.39 | blondie | I see |
| 17:31.47 | blondie | er |
| 17:32.40 | RichiH | johnny: on a hunch, i would apt-get install grub once again |
| 17:33.20 | johnny | it says grub is already at the newest version |
| 17:33.22 | RichiH | johnny: if it really really wants to install lilo after that, oh well.. as long as it does not modify your boot sector.. but file a bug against that package in that case |
| 17:33.28 | johnny | i don't want to install lilo |
| 17:33.31 | johnny | i like grub |
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| 17:34.27 | piper69 | i am runing debian sarge on this box and everything works great for me touch wood, i have an extra NIC card that i am planning to use with this system as well, but when i installed it, i could n't get internet connection and once i removed it everything is back to normal |
| 17:34.38 | mindframe | debian etch rc1 is impressive :) ive only had one minor quirk on this install. ive got a fully operational fluxbox w/ all the apps i need for work. |
| 17:34.50 | RichiH | johnny: then you need to file a bug against the package |
| 17:35.05 | johnny | so as long as it won't config lilo i'm fine |
| 17:35.10 | johnny | anyways.. |
| 17:35.15 | RichiH | both grub and lilo provide some metapackage bootloader or some such and that should be depended on, not a specific loader |
| 17:35.21 | johnny | once i install this kernel.. do i just reboot |
| 17:35.24 | mindframe | piper69, did you edit /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 17:35.38 | johnny | well maybe this company's debian imager thing doesn't install that :( |
| 17:35.38 | RichiH | johnny: dd your boot sectr off and check afterwards |
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| 17:35.50 | johnny | hmm.. that is someting i've never done before |
| 17:36.01 | johnny | how will i be able to tell? |
| 17:36.04 | piper69 | mindframe: no, i didn't know i am suppose to and i didn't know what to name it? |
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| 17:36.11 | microphone | I just bought a microphone and I don't know which module to install for sound input, please help |
| 17:36.13 | johnny | so here's what i did |
| 17:36.20 | RichiH | hark: i know about search, but i needed the file real quick. should of used /msg though |
| 17:36.21 | microphone | I just bought a microphone and I don't know which module to install for sound input, please help, I am using kernel 2.6.16 |
| 17:36.21 | johnny | err doing |
| 17:36.33 | Arr | piper69: did you change /etc/resolve.conf? |
| 17:36.46 | mindframe | piper69, sorry thats /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.46 | johnny | how should i upgrade to this kernel? |
| 17:37.06 | RichiH | johnny: dd if=/dev/yourdisk of=/home/YOU/bootsector.img bs=540 count=1 |
| 17:37.09 | RichiH | or is it 540? |
| 17:37.17 | RichiH | johnny: better google that |
| 17:37.19 | johnny | this way works.. but i feel like upgrade should be fun |
| 17:37.21 | johnny | err run |
| 17:37.22 | johnny | apt-get -t unstable install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 17:37.26 | enouf | 512 |
| 17:37.29 | johnny | is that appropriate to upgrade a kernel? |
| 17:38.40 | enouf | johnny: not for sarge .. 2.6.8 is fine (or 2.4.27).. and what sarge runs as official |
| 17:38.45 | jetscreamer | only if you'r erunning sid and if you are lose the -t unstable |
| 17:38.55 | johnny | uhmm |
| 17:39.05 | johnny | i can't chroot with this kernel into an image i have |
| 17:39.08 | piper69 | mindframe: in /etc/network/interfaces i have auto lo and auto eth0 , iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:39.14 | johnny | it says FATAL: kernel too old |
| 17:39.29 | mindframe | piper69, ok, what is to be the function of your second nic? |
| 17:39.34 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image && installone |
| 17:39.49 | Flimqy | Is there likely to be any problem using flash media as the root device on a firewall? Is it likely to fail over time, or can I assume it to be reliable? |
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| 17:40.25 | jetscreamer | i heard flash sticks have limited life bbut i don't know for sure |
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| 17:40.41 | Flimqy | jetscreamer: yes, I've heard that, too... thus my concern :) |
| 17:40.41 | johnny | well i just don't want it to break |
| 17:40.43 | johnny | that's all |
| 17:40.48 | GiL | hi! where i may ship Debian 4 free? |
| 17:40.52 | johnny | i wasn't sure if i could run upgrade |
| 17:40.58 | johnny | rather than install |
| 17:41.04 | microphone | Which module do I need for sound input using a microphone, I am using kernel 2.6.16 and just bought it |
| 17:41.24 | johnny | whatever you need for sound output |
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| 17:41.34 | johnny | check your alsamixer.. |
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| 17:41.55 | enouf | !tell johnny about bpo |
| 17:41.59 | microphone | but my microphone is not usb, it uses standard headphones jack |
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| 17:42.46 | johnny | aha.. that might be a good suggestion.. i don't really know much about it |
| 17:43.13 | cahoot | microphone: it's only a matter of mixersettings |
| 17:43.25 | enouf | maybe you shouldn't be administrating these boxen at this point ... |
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| 17:43.47 | microphone | thanks, I will check mixer settings thanks you all |
| 17:43.48 | cahoot | microphone: of course provided the alsa module is fully functional |
| 17:43.56 | enouf | !tell johnny -about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:44.06 | microphone | by the way, is there anyspeech analyzer for typing? |
| 17:45.00 | jelly-home | microphone: speech recognition software? |
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| 17:45.19 | GiL | anybody can help me? |
| 17:45.40 | microphone | yes, jelly-home, a soft that I can speak and transforms to text |
| 17:46.00 | microphone | jelly-home: so that I must not type on the keyboard |
| 17:46.41 | jelly-home | microphone: I don't think there's anything usable. |
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| 17:47.25 | johnny | enouf, thanks dude.. this looks much better than using unstable :) |
| 17:47.31 | microphone | jelly-home: years ago amy brother used a good one, so now someting must be out there |
| 17:47.40 | jelly-home | microphone: if you have a disability, using a commerical product like Dragon NaturallySpeaking on Windows might be a more viable option |
| 17:48.54 | GiL | anybody! why you ignore me? |
| 17:49.07 | GiL | sorry for my terrible English.. |
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| 17:49.42 | jelly-home | GiL: what is your native language? |
| 17:49.50 | GiL | Russian.. |
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| 17:49.55 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 17:49.55 | dpkg | methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:50.59 | GiL | I think that on #debian-russian I don't got help. |
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| 17:51.24 | jetscreamer | GiL: you can ship it anywhere the law allows |
| 17:51.38 | jelly-home | microphone: ask your brother what did he use, I'd be very interested. |
| 17:51.39 | jetscreamer | and t4hen some |
| 17:51.58 | GiL | <jetscreamer> thanks.. |
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| 17:52.01 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: somehow I don't think that was the intended meaning |
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| 17:54.21 | microphone | jelly-home: it was an IBM one for windows |
| 17:54.44 | hark | Via Voice probably. |
| 17:54.54 | microphone | yes, via voice, good one |
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| 17:55.10 | microphone | isn't there any open source similar one? |
| 17:55.42 | jelly-home | Apparently there's ViaVoice for Linux |
| 17:56.10 | microphone | but not opensource |
| 17:56.13 | jelly-home | or there was at some point, the news article that google found is dated 2000 |
| 17:57.14 | Bogus8 | any one use a CLI torrent client? |
| 17:57.15 | Ebbs | Hi! I did resize my ntfs partition with ntfsresize a moment ago. I read in a howto, that I have to delete my partition entry on my partition table. Is this true? Should I delete the partition entry for recreating it with two partitions? |
| 17:57.22 | Bogus8 | I used to use bittornado or whatever it was |
| 17:57.31 | Bogus8 | but recently not many servers are supporting it anymore |
| 17:57.53 | craigevil | there's emacspeak and CVoiceControl and probably a few others that work similiarly to ViaVoice |
| 17:58.03 | Ebbs | How can I make an image of my partition table? |
| 17:58.32 | Bogus8 | I use utorrent on a windows box right now... it works quite well |
| 17:58.37 | Bogus8 | even for "dead" torrents |
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| 17:59.04 | jelly-home | Ebbs: just the table, or the code in the master boot sector too? |
| 17:59.32 | Ebbs | jelly-home, for the image? |
| 18:00.22 | jelly-home | Ebbs: you can use sfdisk to save the table layout in a text file, and you can use dd to save the mbr itself. |
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| 18:00.54 | Ebbs | jelly-home, thx |
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| 18:02.05 | Trewas | Bogus8: I don't know why bittornado wouldn't work with some trackers, it's not likely to be banned, but it lacks DHT (distrubuted tracker) protocol which utorrent, azureus and mainline client for example have... with distributed tracker "dead" torrents (tracker not responding) can continue working |
| 18:02.10 | jelly-home | Ebbs: this will dump partition table layout for disk sda "sfdisk -d /dev/sda", suitable for feeding it back to sfdisk if you want to restore it. |
| 18:02.58 | Ebbs | jelly-home, k |
| 18:03.12 | jelly-home | anyway, sfdisk's manual is decent. |
| 18:03.31 | Bogus8 | Trewas: yeah as of lately (6-8 months?) it putts along very slowly barely finding any seeds/peers where as utorrent will find a 100 other users and be smoking! |
| 18:03.47 | Bogus8 | same torrent same time |
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| 18:03.51 | Bogus8 | (not literally) |
| 18:03.52 | RedShift | hi all |
| 18:03.58 | RedShift | first dist-upgrade and then upgrade? |
| 18:04.02 | RedShift | or the opposite |
| 18:04.34 | hark | RedShift: to do what? |
| 18:04.41 | RedShift | upgrade from a stable to testing |
| 18:04.50 | Ebbs | jelly-home, and with sfdisk -I "file with table" to recover it? |
| 18:04.58 | hark | RedShift: read the etch release notes |
| 18:05.06 | RedShift | okay |
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| 18:06.28 | RedShift | hmmm |
| 18:06.29 | Trewas | Bogus8: do you have incoming ports open for bittornado? if not, that might explain why it finds less seeds/peers than utorrent... and well there are a couple of other reasons for getting less connections, but the difference should nto be dramatic |
| 18:06.47 | jelly-home | Ebbs: no, read the bit about -d |
| 18:07.04 | Bogus8 | Trewas: I've tried reconfiguring away from the old defaults as those are known to be banned but no good |
| 18:07.22 | Bogus8 | not really sure if it's even working since it's all command line switches and nothing is really reported back of use |
| 18:07.34 | Bogus8 | either that or I don't know how to interpret what is coming back |
| 18:07.55 | Bogus8 | bitornado has always spit out crazy errors forever down the screen but it still worked well in the begining |
| 18:08.15 | jelly-home | Ebbs: sfdisk has an "undo" feature, it can save the changed sectors to a file, that's what -O and -I do. -d has not much to do with it. |
| 18:09.21 | Ebbs | jelly-home, yes, yes, I meant this: Take a look on my "I". sfdisk -I |
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| 18:09.31 | RedShift | this upgrade better break some stuff, I'm in a fixing mood |
| 18:09.35 | Ebbs | jelly-home, sry forget it |
| 18:09.36 | hark | RedShift: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:10.04 | Trewas | Bogus8: dunno what could be the problem, I haven't used bittornado in ages, but rtorrent is another textmode client which some like (I don't) :) |
| 18:10.14 | Tempest2k | can somebody help me i need to make a backup of my root filesystem to a file on another disk ? |
| 18:10.22 | Ebbs | jelly-home, my I is showed in another way.... |
| 18:10.31 | Ebbs | jelly-home, my "I" is showed in another way.... |
| 18:10.36 | Bogus8 | Trewas: I might look into it... I loves me some CLI... you just use a gui client? |
| 18:11.18 | jelly-home | Ebbs: np |
| 18:11.19 | Trewas | Bogus8: mainly azureus, but I have occasionally used its console-gui also |
| 18:11.23 | Ebbs | jelly-home, and now remove ntfs entry of my partioin table? |
| 18:11.34 | RedShift | apt-get front end for dpkg, aptitude front end for apt-get? |
| 18:11.42 | RedShift | :X |
| 18:11.50 | Bogus8 | Trewas: azureus has a console mode? |
| 18:12.15 | Trewas | Bogus8: yes, but I wouldn't recommend azureus with console-ui for general use, at least it should be configured with normal gui |
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| 18:12.43 | Bogus8 | Trewas: hmm... if I use it, it would be on a headless "server" |
| 18:13.13 | jelly-home | Ebbs: if you resized the partition, yes, remove the ntfs partition entry and add a smaller one (but large enough to contain the actual resized partition) |
| 18:13.21 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: that's strange, as compiling glibc is usually considered harder than compiling other stuff |
| 18:13.31 | azeem | so it'd be more clever to compile warsaw, really |
| 18:13.33 | Ebbs | jelly-home, k thx a lot |
| 18:13.52 | jelly-home | Ebbs: btw, gparted would have done all that for you. ;-) |
| 18:13.53 | Trewas | Bogus8: after getting it configured it would work fine on a headless server, it also has some plugins with which it can be controlled with a webbrowser |
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| 18:14.16 | Bogus8 | Trewas: would it be impossible to configure in console? |
| 18:14.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Umm... I just did ./configure --prefix=/usr;make -j3;su;make install |
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| 18:14.57 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 18:15.03 | Trewas | Bogus8: not impossible, but the ui is not the friendlist and there are a lot of options |
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| 18:15.09 | Ebbs | jelly-home, I know, or yes, I thought so. Im trying this the first time and I thought ntfsresize would do this! |
| 18:15.27 | Bogus8 | Trewas: I might give it a go... hope they have good documentation ;) |
| 18:15.27 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: congrats, you've broke your Debian system |
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| 18:15.47 | Trewas | Bogus8: there's some info http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ConsoleUI |
| 18:15.55 | jelly-home | Ebbs: as you've found out by now, ntfsresize only deals with the filesystem. |
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| 18:16.10 | Bogus8 | Trewas: will give it a look |
| 18:16.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Thank you kind Sir. Should I get some errors thanks to this (none so far), I can just reinstall the debian package. |
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| 18:16.16 | Ebbs | jelly-home, yeah :-) |
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| 18:17.06 | Ebbs | jelly-home, should I start with cylinder 1 or 63 while repartitioning? |
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| 18:17.44 | jelly-home | Ebbs: keep the start EXACTLY the same as it was. |
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| 18:17.57 | Ebbs | jelly-home, k |
| 18:18.14 | valdyn | Bogus8: azureus has a web ui too |
| 18:18.21 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: well, replacing essential system libraries in place is always considered a bad move |
| 18:18.35 | azeem | maybe you are lucky |
| 18:18.38 | Bogus8 | valdyn: yeah, that works for configuring it? |
| 18:18.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: This is a desktop system, if it breaks, it's no big deal. |
| 18:18.45 | Bogus8 | valdyn: that would kick major ass! |
| 18:18.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: It's not a mission-critical server or anything. |
| 18:19.09 | abrotman | it's not going to be running soon either :) |
| 18:19.17 | Trewas | Bogus8: btw if you try azureus I seriously recommend installing the upstream version, not the debian package, and definitely with sun java, not gcj |
| 18:19.37 | jelly-home | Trewas: what's wrong with Debian's azureus? |
| 18:19.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Trewas: Azureus works fine with GIJ |
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| 18:19.58 | Bogus8 | Trewas: thanks... any reasons that could easily be explained? |
| 18:20.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | And speaking of Java, has Sun released the jre source code yet? |
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| 18:20.22 | Polleke | AFAIK yes |
| 18:20.51 | inivex | i thought sun released that code a while back? |
| 18:20.54 | inivex | was i wrong? |
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| 18:21.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | inivex: They said they were going to release it piece by piece |
| 18:21.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | inivex: Stretching into 2007 |
| 18:21.15 | Trewas | I have been idling in #azureus some time, most common problems are from gcj or from distro packaged versions, which often are older than upstream and have some already fixed bugs |
| 18:21.16 | inivex | those bastards |
| 18:21.22 | jelly-home | !java |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 18:21.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Partially released in november, the rest is expected this year |
| 18:21.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yup. |
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| 18:21.55 | inivex | i took a class in high school and played with java some |
| 18:22.00 | inivex | didn't really like it |
| 18:22.09 | Greyhound | hi |
| 18:22.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | inivex: Try python :) |
| 18:22.13 | inivex | i liked c++ a lot better |
| 18:22.14 | azeem | inivex: that doesn't make it obsolete for others |
| 18:22.26 | Trewas | besides, azureus is easy to install to some user directory and it will handle upgrades itself... it's not like two users would run it at the same time anyway |
| 18:22.26 | azeem | neither is discussing the merits of various programming languages on topic here |
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| 18:22.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | We're not, I just said "try python", nothing else. |
| 18:22.45 | Bogus8 | Trewas: cool |
| 18:22.53 | jelly-home | Trewas: well, online upgrading works even with Debian's package. I'm with you on the JVM issue though. |
| 18:22.59 | Bogus8 | Trewas: I'm the only person on the system now so not an issue |
| 18:23.10 | duckx | Happy to see azureus is now working on amd64 :) |
| 18:23.37 | tonyb2006 | ooo |
| 18:23.38 | tonyb2006 | yay |
| 18:23.46 | Trewas | jelly-home: upgrades work even without running it as root? |
| 18:23.48 | tonyb2006 | wait, i can only dl on my x86 server |
| 18:23.54 | inivex | i need to reinstall sid |
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| 18:24.18 | jelly-home | Trewas: Correct. downloads are stuffed into the users' own .azureus/ |
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| 18:25.08 | Greyhound | it seems that my Section "Screen" is badly configured. i got a 17" monitor but can only set 1024*786 . thats the max resolution xrandr -q shows (at 60Hz). in my xorg.conf are other resolutions defined. |
| 18:25.09 | Trewas | jelly-home: ok, though sounds like there is not much benefit to install the debian package then |
| 18:25.15 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas |
| 18:25.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:25.33 | tonyb2006 | thats not as helpful as I'd hoped |
| 18:25.48 | Greyhound | e.g. Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 18:25.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg stole that from Weird Al Yankovic's song Albuquerque. |
| 18:26.00 | jelly-home | Trewas: I prefer installing from distro if possible, if nothing else the program appears in path automagically. |
| 18:26.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, the crazed weasels part at least. |
| 18:26.20 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: do you have your gfx card configed right |
| 18:26.44 | Greyhound | well i use the nv driver instead of the nvidia one |
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| 18:27.01 | Greyhound | what more do i need to configure ? |
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| 18:27.15 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 18:27.18 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: the nvidia one is...better |
| 18:27.20 | Nigromante | hi |
| 18:27.24 | Greyhound | hi |
| 18:27.26 | tonyb2006 | but nv outta work |
| 18:27.42 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: so azures is good to go from the debian package.. and still be able to tell it to use sun java? |
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| 18:27.49 | Greyhound | tonyb2006, i am not sure if the nvidia one supports the gf 2 mx |
| 18:27.53 | jelly-home | Bogus8: right |
| 18:28.01 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: theirs older nv drivers |
| 18:28.07 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: or legacy drivers |
| 18:28.18 | jelly-home | Bogus8: I'm only vouching for etch though :-) |
| 18:28.36 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: cool, I'll have to do that... I like having it all done by packages myself... makes it nice and neat and easy to change/remove/upgrade |
| 18:28.44 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: I'm on etch also |
| 18:29.12 | jelly-home | Bogus8: just install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre and you have working Sun java. |
| 18:29.14 | Greyhound | tonyb2006, ok ill try the official one |
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| 18:29.58 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: cool... brand new install so shouldn't be hard to get it right *gulp* |
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| 18:30.31 | jelly-home | Bogus8: er, sorry, sun-java6-jre is only in unstable at the moment, but sun-java5-jre should work. If you have non-free in your sources.list |
| 18:31.07 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: sure do... thanks for double checking |
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| 18:31.57 | jelly-home | Bogus8: also sun-java5-plugin for web browsers applets, if you think you need it |
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| 18:32.20 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: not on that box... that's not for apache right.. that's just for browsers |
| 18:32.42 | jelly-home | Bogus8: right |
| 18:32.55 | Bogus8 | cool |
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| 18:34.53 | RedShift | so apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade is the right order? |
| 18:34.59 | vanisher | yes |
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| 18:35.19 | teclo | HI there. Where are the etch boot floppies please ? |
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| 18:37.07 | iveqy | hi, I wonder in witch package the font "terminal" is in. How can I figure it out? |
| 18:39.59 | linux_jones | where is stuff i get from apt-get at? |
| 18:40.30 | Ronin | linux_jones: pardon? |
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| 18:40.49 | iveqy | linux_jones: /var/cache/apt/ ? or do you mean where it is installed? |
| 18:40.59 | linux_jones | installed |
| 18:41.12 | iveqy | linux_jones: it depends on what you installs |
| 18:41.19 | linux_jones | ndiswrapper |
| 18:41.25 | iveqy | generally it is located at its standard paths |
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| 18:41.43 | iveqy | linux_jones: what if you just type ndiswrapper? |
| 18:42.26 | linux_jones | i dont want to run it i want to make uninstall it |
| 18:42.38 | PingFloyd | dpkg -L |
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| 18:43.39 | PingFloyd | linux_jones: you want to remove it? |
| 18:43.47 | linux_jones | yes |
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| 18:44.04 | PingFloyd | use apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:44.16 | Greyhound | tonyb2006, the nvidia one does not work, but no idea why. kdm log says: |
| 18:44.17 | Greyhound | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 18:44.17 | Greyhound | (EE) No drivers available. |
| 18:44.19 | iveqy | linux_jones: apt-get remove |
| 18:44.26 | Greyhound | but lsmod says its loaded |
| 18:44.52 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: meh |
| 18:44.53 | tonyb2006 | idk |
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| 18:45.02 | tonyb2006 | Greyhound: dmesg | grep -i nvidia |
| 18:45.19 | Greyhound | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 |
| 18:45.31 | tonyb2006 | 8776 is too new i think |
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| 18:45.49 | Greyhound | and kdm also does not crash or s.th. but just don't displays a blackscreen |
| 18:46.00 | Greyhound | well but it should at least find the module, or ? |
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| 18:46.20 | tonyb2006 | :\ |
| 18:46.28 | Greyhound | i mean it does not even try to load it.. |
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| 18:47.32 | mackack | is there a way to force gcc to build for an old glibc version ? |
| 18:48.09 | mackack | debian seems to be using libc-2.3.x and I need to build something for debian on a box that uses glibc_2.4. |
| 18:48.19 | jelly-home | mackack: create a chroot? |
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| 18:48.43 | azeem | mackack: what do you mean with force gcc? |
| 18:48.47 | mackack | jelly: a full chroot env with gcc and everything ? |
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| 18:48.57 | RichiH | where did qmail-src go?! |
| 18:48.58 | nethenson | hello |
| 18:49.00 | azeem | mackack: gcc uses the glibc you have installed, so what is your problem? |
| 18:49.05 | jelly-home | mackack: that seems the easiest way to do it. |
| 18:49.24 | mackack | azeem: I mean forcing gcc to build an executable that will work with glibc-2.3.x on a system that normally uses glibc-2.4.x. |
| 18:49.39 | azeem | RichiH: it's not in testing |
| 18:49.57 | azeem | mackack: that's not gcc's business |
| 18:50.02 | jelly-home | mackack: there's debootstrap, create a Debian chroot with whatever release you want to build for and build away |
| 18:50.11 | mackack | azeem: my problem is that I need to build something on a glibc 2.4 and run it on a 2.3 system. |
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| 18:50.24 | azeem | mackack: see above, use a chroot |
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| 18:50.39 | boguh | hi, i just install artwiz fonts but they are not shown with xfontsel |
| 18:50.44 | mackack | jelly: thanks. I'll build a chroot env with debootstrap. |
| 18:50.48 | mackack | azeem: thanks. |
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| 18:51.06 | mackack | btw, why does debian stick to 2.3.x ? |
| 18:51.14 | mackack | seems like most other distros switched to 2.4.x |
| 18:51.27 | Ronin | mackack: its 2.4 or 2.6 depending on release |
| 18:51.29 | Ronin | iirc |
| 18:51.34 | jelly-home | Ronin: glibc |
| 18:51.39 | RichiH | azeem: i know. why? |
| 18:51.43 | Ronin | doh never mind, i thought kernels for 1/2 a sec |
| 18:51.54 | azeem | RichiH: /m dpkg why is qmail not in testing :) |
| 18:51.56 | mackack | ronin: I'm not talking about kernel versions (2.4,2.6) but about glibc (2.3/2.4) |
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| 18:52.12 | RichiH | azeem: true |
| 18:52.26 | azeem | mackack: because glibc-2.4 wasn't ported to all Debian architectures by the time a decision had to be done for etch |
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| 18:53.25 | RichiH | azeem: for the record, the one from unstable installs just fine |
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| 18:54.24 | azeem | RichiH: http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qmail/news/20061220T233916Z.html |
| 18:55.04 | crazy_penguin | hi to all |
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| 18:55.39 | sbk | Having trouble installing msttcorefonts. I'm behind a firewall that prevents outbound connections, and I have to use an outbound web proxy. It appears that some portion of the installation script wants to re-connect to the outside world, but doesn't choose to look at the proxy server specified in /etc/apt/... |
| 18:55.48 | linux_jones | i just need to know where apt-get downloads things to |
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| 18:56.00 | Ronin | linux_jones: didnt this get answered all ready |
| 18:56.13 | justin | linux_jones: find / -name '*.deb' |
| 18:56.26 | {cyborg} | linux_jones: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:57.11 | eeyore- | what do you guys use for improving X interactive apps over high-latency links now that LBX is no more? |
| 18:57.22 | justin | eeyore-: nx? |
| 18:57.30 | eeyore- | am i basically screwed with using X over , well, ok, besides NX :-) |
| 18:58.53 | jelly-home | RichiH: I guess you know about http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/qmail.html too? |
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| 18:59.24 | Ronin | or my personal fav RichiH life with qmail |
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| 19:00.40 | boguh | there are fonts in /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc which i cant see in xfontsel, what went wrong? |
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| 19:01.03 | raf256 | what should I use to watch firewire video from digitcal camera (watch real-time like tvtime, not just record to hdd) |
| 19:01.22 | bcstv | how do I get xchat to pass URL to iceweasel browser |
| 19:01.42 | bcstv | says there is an error when I click on URL |
| 19:01.56 | bcstv | in xcaht |
| 19:01.59 | bcstv | xcaht |
| 19:02.02 | bcstv | aah |
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| 19:02.23 | eeyore- | justin: do you use NX? |
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| 19:03.28 | kombi | how do you do a reverse lookup? |
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| 19:04.28 | kombi | the quitest #debian I have seen in years.. |
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| 19:04.42 | kombi | s/quitest/quietest/ |
| 19:04.56 | azeem | you're ruining it |
| 19:05.24 | rahul | ssssshhhh! |
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| 19:07.18 | GillaGal | I'm installing Apache-ssl, but the install always encounters an error with exit status 10. Any idea what it is? |
| 19:07.42 | stew | GillaGal: which part of the install? the postinst? |
| 19:07.51 | kombi | are u root? |
| 19:08.17 | GillaGal | stew right after I select the package it writes a new private key... then fails. |
| 19:08.28 | stew | GillaGal: during which part of the install? the postinst? |
| 19:08.34 | GillaGal | yes. |
| 19:08.42 | GillaGal | post install. |
| 19:09.06 | RichiH | azeem, jelly-home, Ronin: thanks |
| 19:09.09 | stew | GillaGal: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache-ssl.postinst ; add "set -x" as the second line, the try again, it should tell you what it is doing whenit gets the error |
| 19:09.20 | GillaGal | ok |
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| 19:12.36 | GillaGal | stew so change 'set -e' to set -x' ? |
| 19:12.48 | stew | GillaGal: no, add set -x |
| 19:13.11 | GillaGal | ok.. I'll put it right under the -e line |
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| 19:13.46 | ElIsma | Hello! I've problems with my lan connection. I was testing something and disconnected the cables while a connection was active. When I reconnected I coudn't get it to connect back. I tried ifdown/ifup , ifconfig, dhclient, but to no avail. My router won't give me an IP adress. I know the cables are correctly connected because I'm using the pc right now (in windows). I tried doing a dpkg-reconfigure -a but it didn't help... Any |
| 19:13.47 | ElIsma | do? |
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| 19:14.27 | ofer0 | ElIsma, is the DHCP working fine on windows ? |
| 19:14.46 | ElIsma | ofer0: It is, as far as I can tell |
| 19:15.04 | ElIsma | ofer0: it is configured to get the adress from the router, and it connects |
| 19:15.19 | ofer0 | ElIsma, are you sure your network interface was up when you were running dhclient ? |
| 19:15.21 | GillaGal | stew then run dpkg-reconfigure apache-ssl? |
| 19:15.34 | ofer0 | ElIsma, as in: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:15.46 | ofer0 | ElIsma, and then running ifconfig again to make sure it's up. |
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| 19:16.02 | ElIsma | ofer0: yes... I even restarted |
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| 19:16.14 | ofer0 | ElIsma, it doesn't matter if you restart, it's not windows. |
| 19:16.27 | ElIsma | ofer0: lol, ok |
| 19:16.33 | ofer0 | ElIsma, I can count on one hand the actions that must be followed by a restart. |
| 19:16.37 | Ebbs | Hi! How can I test, that my swap drive works properly, or even works at all? |
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| 19:16.49 | leafw | what's the best partition type for a laptop, for best battery time ? |
| 19:16.54 | leafw | I know ext3 needs constant writing, what about others? |
| 19:17.03 | tralala | ofer0, I can count them on my thumb |
| 19:17.13 | ElIsma | ofer0: at least restarting did serve a purpose, runing again /etc/init.d/network... which I forgot to run |
| 19:17.34 | ofer0 | ElIsma, the fact that you disconnected the cables doesn't change anything from Debian's POV. |
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| 19:17.58 | inivex | so you can't ping the router? |
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| 19:18.05 | Ebbs | Hi! How can I test, that my swap drive works properly, or even works at all? |
| 19:18.05 | ofer0 | leafw, doesn't really matter. use ext3 |
| 19:18.13 | ElIsma | ofer0: it was what made everything wrong :/ |
| 19:18.14 | stew | GillaGal: yeah, or apt-get install apache-ssl, or whatever was previously failing |
| 19:18.15 | tralala | ElIsma, if your interfaces file is configured correctly "ifdown <iface>; ifup <iface>" should do the trick |
| 19:18.42 | leafw | ofer0 : I will use ext3, but I'm curious :) |
| 19:18.52 | tralala | Ebbs, by reading the output of "mount" and/or "free" |
| 19:19.00 | ElIsma | tralala: ifup eth0 shows the dhclient output. It tries to get an adress but gets none |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | leafw: it's still ext3 |
| 19:19.25 | leafw | abrotman : it's still, you mean, it's still the best choice? |
| 19:19.25 | inivex | are you sure it's the right interface? |
| 19:19.36 | ElIsma | yes |
| 19:19.55 | abrotman | leafw: IMO .. yes .. there's an article at linuxmafia that talks about XFS, et al zeroing out files when the power goes out .. or something |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 19:19.58 | dpkg | it has been said that filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 19:20.02 | tralala | ElIsma, has it ever worked before? |
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| 19:20.06 | ElIsma | I tried assigning a static IP, but didn't work |
| 19:20.12 | leafw | abrotman : I read similar reports. ext3 has never failed on me. |
| 19:20.20 | ElIsma | tralala: yes, it was working up until I touched the cables |
| 19:20.22 | Ebbs | tralala, it is mounted properly, but I think last time I shut down, I saw an error occured with my swap drive! |
| 19:20.34 | ElIsma | tralala: but it does work now in windows, so it's all connected ok |
| 19:20.39 | abrotman | leafw: so why would you stray? |
| 19:20.46 | leafw | I heard though, that reiserfs was best because it doesn't need constant writing, but then, I know little about reiserfs |
| 19:20.56 | leafw | abrotman : just curious, trying out |
| 19:20.58 | abrotman | leafw: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 19:21.14 | tralala | ElIsma, how many network interfaces do you have? |
| 19:21.25 | justin | resierfs is often good when compared theoretically, but it has a bad track record |
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| 19:21.43 | abrotman | aren't theories nice ... |
| 19:21.44 | ElIsma | tralala: 2, eth0 and 1 |
| 19:22.10 | tralala | ElIsma, are both in use? |
| 19:22.52 | tralala | I've used reiserfs + lvm on my laptop for quite a while without any sort of problems |
| 19:22.55 | ofer0 | ReiserFS should only be used if you think you know why people should not use it. |
| 19:22.58 | ElIsma | tralala: it depends on the moment. I tried with both in use and only eth0 in use |
| 19:23.03 | inivex | maybe the aliases got switched? try bringing up the other interface? |
| 19:23.09 | Ebbs | tralala, free says, that 112 kbytes are in use, is this normal with 1Gb Ram? |
| 19:23.21 | ElIsma | tralala: I disconnected the cable of eth1 |
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| 19:23.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman, you have controll over this dpkg bot right ? |
| 19:23.42 | abrotman | control? |
| 19:23.47 | azeem | MIND CONTROL |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | RvGaTe: what do you want done ? |
| 19:23.51 | ElIsma | I then did ifup -a... same dhclient output and no ip address for me :( |
| 19:23.55 | sbk | Having trouble using module-assiant -- can't figure out what the problem is. I run "module-assistant prepare", followed by "module-assistant a-i fglrx". It says build of package fglrx-kernel-src failed. Looking at the log file shows no obvious errors |
| 19:23.58 | leafw | abrotman : nice reading, thanks. I'll keep to ext3 |
| 19:24.01 | RvGaTe | add an entry for ventrilo |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | RvGaTe: which is ? |
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| 19:24.21 | azeem | sbk: paste the log file to a pastebin |
| 19:24.22 | RvGaTe | abrotman, http://www.ventrilo.com/ |
| 19:24.24 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 19:24.24 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:24.48 | abrotman | RvGaTe: why the hell would you use that app ? |
| 19:25.06 | RvGaTe | abrotman, its very well known in the gaming commuities |
| 19:25.22 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it has no source .. and has export restrictions ... |
| 19:25.25 | tralala | Ebbs, swap usage varies over time, so yes - it's normal |
| 19:25.26 | GillaGal | stew ok.. it said something localhost not being valid. |
| 19:25.34 | Ebbs | tralala, thx |
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| 19:25.43 | RvGaTe | abrotman, maybe thats a good reason to put it in bot, telling that it aint in debian ; |
| 19:25.44 | RvGaTe | ;) |
| 19:25.44 | GillaGal | "does not exist" |
| 19:25.53 | abrotman | RvGaTe: more like .. just don't use it |
| 19:25.55 | sbk | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5154 |
| 19:25.57 | tralala | ElIsma, so you've tried both eth0 and eth1 and didn't get a lease on any of them? |
| 19:25.58 | GillaGal | I assume it's getting it from the certificate setup |
| 19:26.21 | ElIsma | tralala: indeed |
| 19:26.30 | azeem | sbk: ho-hum |
| 19:27.09 | inivex | can you post the lines from your interfaces file? |
| 19:27.12 | tralala | ElIsma, try to monitor the traffic with tcpdump while dhclient is trying to get a lease |
| 19:27.24 | sbk | azeem: what does that mean? |
| 19:27.25 | abrotman | !ventrilo |
| 19:27.25 | dpkg | Ventrilo is a non-free, export-restricted VoIP client, which happens to have Linux binaries(no source kiddos). http://www.ventrilo.com/ |
| 19:27.28 | abrotman | happy ? |
| 19:27.36 | RvGaTe | great \o/ |
| 19:27.41 | ElIsma | tralala: and what should I see? |
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| 19:28.42 | stew | GillaGal: put the actual output into a pastebin |
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| 19:29.51 | azeem | sbk: I don't know |
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| 19:31.53 | LunarCrisis | hmm, does anyone here happen to know what is the french term for a software library? |
| 19:32.46 | tralala | ElIsma, hopefully a hint of what might be going wrong |
| 19:32.59 | nvz | LunarCrisis: maybe ask in a channel where people speak french. |
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| 19:33.11 | LunarCrisis | nvz, unfortunately I don't know any =( |
| 19:33.16 | nvz | !fr |
| 19:33.16 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:33.24 | LunarCrisis | ooh, thanks nvz |
| 19:33.35 | ElIsma | tralala: ok, thanks, I'll try that |
| 19:36.56 | sbk | Hm. Module assistant is giving me information that I don't understand. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5155 |
| 19:37.47 | sbk | I have stable main contrib and non-free listed in sources.list |
| 19:37.47 | azeem | sbk: which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 19:38.24 | azeem | sbk: fglrx is not available for stable |
| 19:38.33 | sbk | azeem: debian_version: 3.1 and uname -a gives "Linux kbs-desktop 2.6.8-3-686-smp" |
| 19:39.13 | Flimqy | I remember hearing about a tool that you could give multiple URLs to that all point to different mirrors of the same file, and it will download them simultaneously for faster overall throughput... can anyone tell me what such a program is called? |
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| 19:39.29 | sbk | azeem: ah, I see. How is it then, that I see fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-686-smp in my packages list, and which (I'm reasonably sure) I'm able to run? |
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| 19:39.54 | azeem | I'm not sure |
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| 19:42.13 | shafire | someone knows what weaving technique means in german? |
| 19:42.45 | azeem | shafire: please ask elsewhere (e.g. dict.leo.org) |
| 19:42.57 | shafire | azeem, do you know what this means in english? |
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| 19:44.09 | TTT | hmm, sun-java5-jdk is in sid, right? Does anyone know when sun-java6-jdk is expected to arrive in sid? Hmm, i gotta check out experimental... |
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| 19:45.10 | rahul | ,,, |
| 19:45.18 | rahul | it's not in sid? |
| 19:45.44 | TTT | sun recently released java v6, only java v5 is in sid, 'old' version |
| 19:45.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:45.47 | rahul | 6-00-2(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 19:46.02 | HardDisk_WP | how do I force in KDE the icons for removable media to appear at the same places on the desktop?! |
| 19:46.24 | HardDisk_WP | every time i plug my iPod the icon is at a different place -.- |
| 19:46.32 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: try #kde |
| 19:46.43 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 19:48.17 | rahul | HEH |
| 19:48.35 | rahul | who's who finally figured out I exist again |
| 19:49.26 | TTT | rahul: intriguing, it seems debian mirror i'm using is out of sync or something, i'll check it out |
| 19:49.35 | rahul | it happens |
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| 19:51.14 | abrotman | rahul: ? |
| 19:51.33 | TTT | wtf, in my sources sid (or did I put unstable there) got replaced by 'etch' somehow, i don't remember doing this myself |
| 19:51.49 | rahul | abrotman: got invited to who's who again |
| 19:52.11 | rahul | oh, right, I was in the one for students or something back then now I'm an executive or professional! wee. |
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| 19:52.38 | TTT | anyway, sun-java6 is available, thanks rahul |
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| 19:54.05 | GillaGal | I'm installing Apache-ssl, but the install always encounters an error with exit status 10. This translates to "apache-ssl/server-namelocalhost does not exist" any ideas? |
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| 19:56.11 | jelly-home | GillaGal: what happened when you added that set -x? |
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| 19:57.18 | jelly-home | GillaGal: quick solution: edit ServerName in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf to be a known and resolvable host name. do a "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 19:57.40 | GillaGal | jelly-home is spews a ton of stuff... the last limes refers to that error 10. "apache-ssl/server-namelocalhost does not exist" |
| 19:57.46 | shao_lap | I've inserted a movie DVD but totem tells me there is no disc present, same with the file browser... |
| 19:57.53 | jelly-home | GillaGal: pastebin that stuff |
| 19:57.54 | shao_lap | do i miss something? |
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| 19:58.10 | jelly-home | GillaGal: also, which version of apache-ssl? |
| 19:58.11 | GillaGal | I'll try the host thing |
| 19:58.19 | jelly-home | GillaGal: dpkg -l apache-ssl|tail -1 |
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| 19:58.49 | TTT | shao_lap: (just a gues, i'm not using totem and I have no dvds) I think might be a permission problem, do you have rights to read dvdrom/mount it? |
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| 19:59.17 | GillaGal | apache-ssl 1.3.33-6sa |
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| 20:00.26 | GillaGal | there's only a /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf.dpkg-inst.queue |
| 20:00.29 | Growly | is it safe to assume that your hard drive is dead when you get "sense key medium errors" and i/o timeouts? |
| 20:00.41 | GillaGal | jelly-home there's only a /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf.dpkg-inst.queue |
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| 20:01.06 | jelly-home | GillaGal: hmm, try that one, then |
| 20:01.22 | shao_lap | @TTT hm, when i look up its properties, it says everyone can read the drive |
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| 20:01.50 | jelly-home | Growly: could be. can you pastebin the exact errors |
| 20:02.00 | shao_lap | when i click on "mount" it tells me there is no medium to mount |
| 20:02.02 | Growly | i'm afraid to turn the machine on you see |
| 20:02.14 | Growly | it's happened to two other drives, which i've returned and replaced |
| 20:02.16 | shao_lap | but the drive should be operational, since i did install this debianfrom it... |
| 20:02.22 | jelly-home | Growly: is it the only drive? |
| 20:02.27 | TTT | shao_lap: um, if I was you, i'd try to read /dev/cdrom (or whatever device) as your user to verify everything is ok |
| 20:02.28 | cahoot | Growly: maxtor? |
| 20:02.38 | bib | maxtor? |
| 20:02.48 | TTT | shao_lap: i haven't tried watching movies in DVD, but they might not have a normal filesystem |
| 20:02.53 | Growly | jelly-home - it's one of three in a degraded raid 5 array (used to be 4 disks, guess what happened to it) |
| 20:03.00 | Growly | and no, they're all seagates |
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| 20:03.20 | bib | TTT, you can put your dvds on hdds |
| 20:03.27 | jelly-home | Growly: do you have enough power for all the drives? |
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| 20:03.54 | Growly | jelly-home i would say no, but there are not other signs the PSU cant cope |
| 20:04.29 | Growly | i didn't realise this could be a power problem! |
| 20:04.31 | Growly | oooog |
| 20:05.11 | shao_lap | read them? opening /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc in totem both gives me a "no disc present" again |
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| 20:06.06 | jelly-home | Growly: well, it could be three drives failing by themselves if they're all from the same faulty batch... |
| 20:06.11 | jhasse | How does apt-get --purge know which are the configuration files of a program? |
| 20:06.20 | bib | shao_lap, what version kernel do you have? |
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| 20:06.37 | Growly | jelly-home - :embarassment: well, i did run the all at 66C for a long time (11C over rated max temp) |
| 20:06.38 | blondie | jhasse: because the packages detail that. |
| 20:06.42 | shao_lap | i installed etch, so its some 2.6 atm |
| 20:06.46 | jelly-home | Growly: ah. |
| 20:06.50 | Growly | but it's just unlucky they've all crapped out right now. |
| 20:06.57 | Growly | otherwise i could've saved my dataz |
| 20:07.01 | bib | shao_lap, 2.6.17+ ? |
| 20:07.05 | jhasse | blondie: how? |
| 20:07.06 | jelly-home | Growly: backups, dude |
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| 20:07.11 | GillaGal | jelly-home Didn't work,..... just give the same error but with whatever value I enter. |
| 20:07.26 | blondie | jhasse: if packages didn't contain file lists, how would they work? |
| 20:07.43 | jelly-home | GillaGal: then pastebin the whole output and someone'll take a look |
| 20:07.48 | Growly | jelly-home - i know, i know, but it's 600gb, i had no money, no where else to put it, and no time for a whole year |
| 20:07.52 | Growly | hence i'm recovering now |
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| 20:07.58 | Growly | i just didn't want to bite the bullet |
| 20:08.06 | bib | bullet? |
| 20:08.22 | shao_lap | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 20:08.25 | Growly | potentially wrong use of idiom |
| 20:08.25 | shao_lap | thats it^^ |
| 20:08.28 | jelly-home | Growly: and now you might have no data either... |
| 20:08.32 | bib | (heheheheh, hahhahahahahh) |
| 20:08.35 | jhasse | blondie: i'm trying to build a deb package, but there isn't any file with a configuration file list :( |
| 20:09.21 | GillaGal | not sure what pastebin is |
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| 20:09.29 | Growly | jelly-home, yeah, thanks |
| 20:09.32 | jelly-home | !tell GillaGal about pastebin |
| 20:10.10 | shao_lap | 2.4 would support my dvddrive better, or what? :D |
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| 20:10.39 | jelly-home | Growly: now you also know it's a good idea not to use drives from the same batch in a raid :-| |
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| 20:11.10 | sepski | jelly-home, how do you expect me to do that in a 64 drive raid ? ! |
| 20:11.20 | bib | in my case, they removed some scsi stuff more and more in 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 20:11.31 | shao_lap | hm |
| 20:11.39 | shao_lap | well, it reads out a normal audio cd just fine |
| 20:11.41 | shao_lap | its only dvds |
| 20:11.42 | Growly | jelly-home - i've known that for some time, except when i bought the drives it would've been hard for me to sort that out |
| 20:11.52 | shao_lap | so what could i possibly do wrong here? :D |
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| 20:12.55 | jelly-home | sepski: if you have money to buy a 64drive array, you probably can ask the vendor to give you drives from more batches... |
| 20:12.58 | GillaGal | jelly-home www.pastebin.ca/324934 |
| 20:13.30 | bib | do you mean your new dvd is protected by a new CSS? |
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| 20:13.47 | protocol1 | if I am installing new fonts on my Etch machine where do I put them? |
| 20:13.48 | shao_lap | it probably is |
| 20:13.51 | bib | oh |
| 20:13.52 | jelly-home | sepski: as you can see, multiple-drive failure is not that uncommon |
| 20:13.53 | rhalff | hi I'm copying over a network/interfaces file from one place to another, it contains 'allow-hotplug eth0' is some software 'required' for not letting this interfaces fail on reboot ? |
| 20:13.54 | shao_lap | but well |
| 20:13.59 | shao_lap | i got libdvdcss... |
| 20:14.00 | rhalff | like do I need hotplug ? |
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| 20:14.34 | bib | and libdvdcss2? |
| 20:15.01 | shao_lap | hm, and when I insert the dvd it sounds as if he tries to read it out multiple times and fails - effect of CSS? |
| 20:15.04 | rhalff | hotplug is uninstallable on etch right now |
| 20:15.26 | stew | rhalff: why is it uninstallable? |
| 20:15.37 | bib | shao_lap, if I were you, I would rip it onto the hdd under windows |
| 20:15.41 | rhalff | stew, ah let me first apt update :) |
| 20:15.46 | protocol1 | if I am installing new fonts on my Etch machine where do I put them? |
| 20:15.51 | stew | rhalff: why do you want hotplug instead of udev? |
| 20:16.00 | shao_lap | and yes, i also got libdvdcss2 |
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| 20:16.17 | shao_lap | dont have windows and shouldnt need it o.O |
| 20:16.24 | rhalff | stew: actually I wonder what 'allow-hotplug eth0' means in interface, no don't want hotplug instead of that |
| 20:16.25 | bib | shao_lap, if you got a CSS-free DVD on your hdd, hehehe |
| 20:16.33 | ElIsma | hello |
| 20:16.58 | ElIsma | I was here a while ago, having trouble with my lan connection. |
| 20:17.05 | stew | rhalff: "man 5 interfaces" should explain it |
| 20:17.12 | rhalff | stew: guess I could just cross fingers and reboot :) |
| 20:17.13 | rhalff | ah ok |
| 20:17.14 | ElIsma | I found out that eht0 and eth1 changed names |
| 20:17.21 | stew | rhalff: why are you rebooting? |
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| 20:17.49 | rhalff | stew: because networks behaves weird, guess I actually put the old config in place and reboot |
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| 20:17.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, looking for a secure easy way for multiple custormers to upload content to our server. I know ftp is one option but it is very unsecure. does anyone have any other suggestions? |
| 20:18.03 | stew | rhalff: no need to reboot, just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:18.11 | stew | evilbulgarian: scp |
| 20:18.15 | shao_lap | so, no way i can read the dvd? o.O |
| 20:18.16 | ElIsma | I get an IP adress from eth1 and route shows that eth1 is the gateway, still, I get no internet :( |
| 20:18.18 | ElIsma | any ideas? |
| 20:18.20 | rhalff | stew: ah but running xen, I don't think xen likes that |
| 20:18.20 | seb- | help! automatic apt-get upgrading in crontabs leads to problems? what is alternative?...to do it manually every day? yikes! |
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| 20:18.23 | stew | evilbulgarian: or sftp |
| 20:18.25 | bib | shao_lap, iirc, windows ripping apps have more power |
| 20:18.27 | stew | rhalff: why not? |
| 20:18.28 | evilbulgarian | stew: this is ppl that have no idea what ssh is |
| 20:18.43 | shao_lap | the other identical laptop here with ubuntu *can* read it |
| 20:19.01 | bib | lol |
| 20:19.01 | stew | evilbulgarian: does that matter? |
| 20:19.05 | shao_lap | bib, mostly they do, but dvdrip on linux is also very powerful^^ |
| 20:19.13 | bib | oh |
| 20:19.20 | rhalff | stew: because last time I did that it hanged, virtual interfaces don't like it when the real interface goes down or changes configuration, something like that. |
| 20:19.23 | evilbulgarian | stew: yeah they are the ones that are going to be doing the uploading |
| 20:19.25 | GillaGal | jelly-home did you catch my pastebin link? |
| 20:19.32 | tralala | ElIsma, what exactly is the default route that you get? Check ifrename - iirc you can use it to specify the interface name based on the mac address. |
| 20:19.32 | evilbulgarian | stew: it needs to be idiot proof |
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| 20:19.58 | bib | shao_lap, if you cannot read it, how to rip it o.o |
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| 20:20.05 | shao_lap | aye |
| 20:20.13 | bib | hahahaha |
| 20:20.14 | shao_lap | so, i wanna read it :D |
| 20:20.15 | ElIsma | the default route was * 192.168.123.254 (the router) with iface eth1 |
| 20:20.16 | stew | evilbulgarian: ok. then what are the options if scp/sftp isn't one? |
| 20:20.27 | stew | evilbulgarian: https multipart form post? |
| 20:20.44 | ElIsma | yet, i get no internet |
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| 20:20.55 | ElIsma | I did get an IP address and could ping the router, which is good |
| 20:21.33 | piper69 | guys my i was getting connection to the internet form my eth0 "onboard NIC", once in installed my second NIC "PCI" i can't get it to work and i am not able to connect to the internet thru eth0 please help |
| 20:21.56 | tralala | ElIsma, I'll need the output of 'ip r' (iproute package) |
| 20:22.33 | ElIsma | ok, tralala, should I try anything else? like swaping the names? |
| 20:22.53 | piper69 | i can see both nic's on lspci |
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| 20:24.10 | justin | ElIsma: leaving the config alone and swapping the cables would be easiest |
| 20:24.24 | tralala | ElIsma, this is up to you. If you don't care about the names let them stay as they are. |
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| 20:24.26 | RedShift | is there some debian way to create a default main.cf (postfix configuration) |
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| 20:24.37 | justin | ElIsma: aside from that, naming the interfaces by the mac address works best |
| 20:24.43 | lindenle | what does it mean when PXE boot stops and just says ready? |
| 20:26.09 | ElIsma | justin: I believe they were named by mac address... some freak accident renamed them :S |
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| 20:26.10 | Guerin | RedShift: there should be one in /usr/share/doc/postfix/examples, if you deleted the one which was installed by the package |
| 20:26.10 | ElIsma | could the dpkg-reconfigure -a have renamed them? |
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| 20:26.12 | RedShift | Guerin: hmmm that directory is empty. It's a fresh install |
| 20:26.38 | protocol1 | if I am installing new fonts on my Etch machine where do I put them? |
| 20:26.39 | Guerin | RedShift: there may be one someplace else in /u/s/d/postfix then |
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| 20:26.48 | jelly-home | GillaGal: yeah, I was afk |
| 20:26.49 | Guerin | RedShift: why did you delete the original? |
| 20:26.54 | sbk | More fglrx driver questions. I've managed to install the ati drivers. I'm trying to get the monitor orientation to switch 90 degrees. xrandr reports the extension enabled, but shows only "normal" rotations possible. Is there some magic option that someone here knows about, that can enable a 90 degree rotation of the screen? |
| 20:27.07 | RedShift | Guerin: I didn't delete anything, just did an apt-get install postfix |
| 20:27.17 | GillaGal | jelly-home ok |
| 20:27.21 | GillaGal | jelly-home www.pastebin.ca/324934 |
| 20:27.28 | Guerin | RedShift: there should be an /etc/postfix/main.cf then; and a master.cf, and some other stuff perhaps |
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| 20:27.39 | RedShift | there's a master.cf |
| 20:27.39 | Guerin | RedShift: if not, you need to try to replicate it, and file a bug |
| 20:27.41 | RedShift | but no main.cf |
| 20:27.54 | Guerin | RedShift: try dpkg -S main.cf |
| 20:28.15 | protocol1 | does anyone know where new fonts go? |
| 20:28.26 | protocol1 | what directory or path? |
| 20:28.34 | RedShift | Guerin: ah they are in /usr/share/postfix |
| 20:28.43 | thelostbutler | hello folks, why does grep -R hda / make it hang in the device tree ? strace on the process shows it hangs at read(3, |
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| 20:29.00 | justin | thelostbutler: probably stuck reading from a fifo |
| 20:29.12 | Guerin | hm, weird |
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| 20:29.53 | tralala | thelostbutler, you probably want to avoid grepping /proc, /sys etc. |
| 20:29.55 | jelly-home | GillaGal: which version of debconf is installed? |
| 20:30.03 | thelostbutler | oh okay |
| 20:30.10 | protocol1 | does anyone know where new fonts go? |
| 20:30.14 | thelostbutler | thanks justin, tralala |
| 20:30.19 | tralala | actually grepping /etc should be enough |
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| 20:30.57 | stoned | protocol1, dpkg -L fontpackagename |
| 20:31.06 | betel | I am unable to kill two processes currently running. hddtemp and k3b. |
| 20:31.26 | stoned | betel, even with -9? |
| 20:31.26 | GillaGal | jelly-home debconf 1.5.8 |
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| 20:31.39 | protocol1 | stoned, what if they are extracted already in its own directory? |
| 20:31.40 | betel | this happens sometimes. kill -9 doesn't work. runnign etch. anything else I could try besides rebooting? |
| 20:31.42 | stoned | betel, is it now a Zombie p rocess? |
| 20:31.56 | stoned | betel, it it is a zombie you hade to kill the parent proc |
| 20:31.57 | stoned | !ppid |
| 20:31.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 20:31.59 | Guerin | betel: ps ax ; note the status |
| 20:32.06 | stew | D |
| 20:32.11 | betel | it shouldn't be since I simply started k3b from the meny but I'll check |
| 20:32.36 | Guerin | k3b is probably called by a wrapper or something |
| 20:32.37 | stew | betel: most likely its in uninterruptable sleep waiting for IO to complete |
| 20:32.37 | stoned | protocol1, dpkg -L will tell you exactly which files goes where in a package so you can locate it on your HDD |
| 20:32.50 | protocol1 | ok |
| 20:32.54 | betel | it's tagged D |
| 20:32.58 | jelly-home | GillaGal: you have a mixed installation of sarge and etch. Have you been using backports or testing/unstable lines in sources.list? |
| 20:33.07 | stew | betel: yes, that is uninterruptable sleep, waiting on IO |
| 20:33.12 | stoned | ah |
| 20:33.16 | GillaGal | jelly-home yes |
| 20:33.38 | stoned | but how did you know it was already D before he said anything, stew |
| 20:33.53 | stoned | thats like whoah man |
| 20:34.00 | GillaGal | jelly-home and now that you mention it... debconf on my other machine is 1.5.6 where this exact install worked |
| 20:34.02 | RedShift | where can I disable all those automatic configuration wizards if you install packages? |
| 20:34.02 | betel | stew. ah. Can i make it ignore the IO and shut down? |
| 20:34.10 | stew | betel: no, its uninterruptable |
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| 20:34.43 | Guerin | betel: the real question is, why do you care? |
| 20:34.58 | betel | I had an empty CD earlier. "hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdd" |
| 20:35.01 | Guerin | betel: it raises your load average by 1, but doesn't actually use anything much in the way of resources |
| 20:35.13 | betel | Guerin: because I want to start up k3b without rebooting :) |
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| 20:35.22 | stew | actually it doens't raise load becuase its not schedulable |
| 20:35.23 | shao_lap | err, so i made a complete removal of a package - its not in synaptic anymore now, didnt know the removal was *that* complete |
| 20:35.23 | GillaGal | jelly-home I see debconf 1.4 there.. maybe install that? |
| 20:35.23 | betel | k3b refuses to start |
| 20:35.28 | shao_lap | how to restore it? |
| 20:35.36 | protocol1 | stoned, no luck |
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| 20:35.57 | protocol1 | I have a bunch of *.ttf files....Im not sure where they go |
| 20:36.07 | Guerin | betel: oh. Tried restarting x? hald? |
| 20:36.13 | jelly-home | GillaGal: that might work |
| 20:36.17 | Guerin | protocol1: read the font howto on tldp.org |
| 20:36.23 | tralala | betel, perhaps it will die if you open the cd door |
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| 20:36.55 | betel | Guerin: tralala I did restart and have played around with the CD. I have not touched hald |
| 20:36.55 | rahul | Guerin: sholdn't he use defoma? |
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| 20:37.13 | stew | jelly-home: bpo mailing lists |
| 20:37.15 | Guerin | rahul: mm, i know nothing about defoma. Probably he should. |
| 20:37.18 | stoned | protocol1, what are you trying to do |
| 20:37.26 | demonjester | protocol1, are you running kde? |
| 20:37.26 | rahul | protocol1: man defoma, maybe |
| 20:37.33 | RedShift | where can I disable all those automatic configuration wizards if you install packages? |
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| 20:37.40 | protocol1 | install new fonts on my debian etch system |
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| 20:37.49 | Guerin | RedShift: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:37.52 | stoned | -phigh? |
| 20:37.55 | Guerin | RedShift: you can't disable them all. |
| 20:37.57 | stoned | nm |
| 20:38.10 | RedShift | Guerin: can't I use a configuration file instead of dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:38.28 | x_link | hrmmm this is weird. |
| 20:38.31 | jelly-home | stew: funny, backports' mailing list archive links are broken too :-) |
| 20:38.40 | GillaGal | jelly-home that seemed to work! |
| 20:38.42 | GillaGal | thanks. |
| 20:38.44 | Guerin | RedShift: sure, but i don't know how to configure debconf by hand, since it's somewhat pointless. |
| 20:38.48 | cahoot | protocol1: you ccan just put them in $HOME/.fonts |
| 20:38.53 | x_link | I have always used kdm, now it changed to gdm instead. I just put some thermal paste on my CPU and it changed. |
| 20:38.54 | demonjester | protocol1, why not use kfontview and install them that way |
| 20:38.55 | Scrippie | investigating |
| 20:38.57 | GillaGal | should I take those backport sources out? |
| 20:38.58 | jelly-home | GillaGal: nice |
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| 20:39.13 | protocol1 | I found help in preferences > font |
| 20:39.14 | protocol1 | heh |
| 20:39.15 | x_link | And when I did apt-get remove kdm and then apt-get instlal kdm and I choosed that kdm should be default. |
| 20:39.18 | jelly-home | GillaGal: preferably, if you don't need anything else from there |
| 20:39.19 | x_link | But it's still gdm. |
| 20:39.24 | x_link | Could somebody help me with this? |
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| 20:39.34 | gcbirzan | Oh, lovely. |
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| 20:39.41 | jelly-home | GillaGal: the right thing would be to report a bug to them, if you care enough |
| 20:40.01 | demonjester | protocol1, if you manually copy them in $HOME/.fonts you need to fc-cache -f -v ~/.fonts afterwards |
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| 20:40.02 | gcbirzan | What was that silly setting you had to play with to stop libapt from segfaulting when dealing with many sources? |
| 20:40.12 | stoned | x_link, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 20:40.14 | stoned | I think |
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| 20:40.30 | protocol1 | demonjester, thx for the info |
| 20:40.42 | x_link | stoned: Alright... thanks alot! |
| 20:40.45 | Guerin | gcbirzan: msg dpkg mmap? |
| 20:40.57 | x_link | stoned: root? |
| 20:41.00 | stoned | yes |
| 20:41.03 | Guerin | !alot |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 20:41.04 | shao_lap | how to restore a complete removal of a package? |
| 20:41.06 | demonjester | np |
| 20:41.19 | stoned | alot is not a word? |
| 20:41.25 | stoned | how do you alot somebody something? |
| 20:41.37 | LightKnight | alLot? |
| 20:41.44 | stoned | a lot is good yes, but alot is not a word? it has two l? |
| 20:41.50 | stoned | oh yeah, it does |
| 20:41.51 | stoned | doh |
| 20:41.53 | Guerin | ... |
| 20:41.55 | gcbirzan | Guerin: Hm, maybe I'm confusing things. |
| 20:42.01 | tralala | stoned, cut down the crack |
| 20:42.06 | gcbirzan | But, I distinclty remember having this bug ages ago. |
| 20:42.12 | stoned | I jut woke up man I'm half asleep |
| 20:42.13 | Guerin | stoned: you reinstall it |
| 20:42.15 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:42.21 | Guerin | shao_lap: you reinstall it |
| 20:42.26 | shao_lap | well |
| 20:42.32 | shao_lap | it doesnt show up in synaptic anymore |
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| 20:42.35 | Guerin | shao_lap: debian doesn't save state for recorvery from stupid mistakes |
| 20:42.44 | x_link | stoned: That command didn't work |
| 20:42.45 | Guerin | shao_lap: aptitude install <packagename> |
| 20:42.47 | stoned | haha |
| 20:42.54 | gcbirzan | Ah, here we go. |
| 20:42.59 | stoned | Guerin, I'm gonna set a restore point for today in /etc |
| 20:43.04 | stoned | lol |
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| 20:43.08 | azeem | x_link: you need to run it as root |
| 20:43.15 | hark | x_link: root |
| 20:43.21 | x_link | stoned: But when I do "x-session-manager" it tells me --> "gnome-session: you're already running a session manager" |
| 20:43.30 | stoned | x_link, is kdm installed? |
| 20:43.35 | x_link | azeem & hark baaah I forgot to change. |
| 20:43.36 | x_link | stoned: Yes |
| 20:43.42 | stoned | x_link, why not just apt-get remove gdm |
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| 20:43.48 | x_link | Now it worked. |
| 20:43.50 | stoned | x_link, then just install kdm |
| 20:44.00 | gcbirzan | Hm. Now. How do I get aptitude to install a package from a given release? Apparently, aptitude install package/sarge should work... But it doesn't. |
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| 20:44.03 | x_link | stoned: Maybe I will need it if/when kdm gets messed up or something |
| 20:44.07 | shao_lap | @guerin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2572/ |
| 20:44.14 | shao_lap | thats what i tried first... |
| 20:44.16 | stoned | x_link, not at all, you can always do "startx" |
| 20:44.22 | x_link | stoned: I did, and choosed kdm as default. But still it doesn't use kdm. |
| 20:44.23 | x_link | stoned: ok |
| 20:44.34 | Mythbusters | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.38 | stoned | x_link, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 20:44.43 | stoned | x_link, as root |
| 20:44.45 | infernix | !marrilat key |
| 20:44.50 | x_link | so |
| 20:44.53 | stoned | two l |
| 20:44.57 | stoned | !marillat key |
| 20:44.57 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 20:44.58 | Guerin | one r |
| 20:44.58 | x_link | Now I changed it with that first command you gave me |
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| 20:45.20 | tralala | two l |
| 20:45.21 | azeem | x_link: stop gdm, start kdm |
| 20:45.23 | jelly-home | /msg the bot |
| 20:45.26 | gcbirzan | Ah, it's /stable, not /sarge. |
| 20:45.55 | jelly-home | /me learns how to put a / at the beginning of the line |
| 20:45.58 | x_link | azeem: OKey |
| 20:46.09 | stoned | jelly-home, lol |
| 20:46.29 | stoned | x_link, use /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then start kdm |
| 20:46.33 | x_link | ok |
| 20:46.42 | x_link | I will just reboot kde now and see what will happen |
| 20:46.42 | stoned | stoned, I would just go back to sleep |
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| 20:46.55 | stoned | stoned, yeah I'm thinking about it |
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| 20:47.39 | Mooi | i upgraded with apt-get and it upgraded udev. I reboot, and the hda7 cannot be mounted. I managed to get into the system through another kernel - but no xorg. So what's the problem with udev thing? It doesn't seem to load anything right now except a secondary ethernet card. Debian etch here |
| 20:48.28 | Mooi | 0.103-2 udev |
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| 20:48.52 | Mooi | when upgrading, I think it game some error message to do with kernel image being modified or something? I didn't mod anything myself:| |
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| 20:48.52 | eeyore- | Mooi: loading of stuff needed at boot time would be the responsibility of initrd scripts |
| 20:49.24 | Mooi | eeyore-: well, running on 2.6.16 kernel does at least mount the HD and give net |
| 20:49.40 | streuner | eeyore-: huhu |
| 20:49.40 | seb- | HOW find packages need to upgrade WITHOUT doing it? |
| 20:49.43 | Mooi | while 2.6.18-3, after upgrading udev, didn't even mount the root and simply stopped |
| 20:49.47 | eeyore- | streuner: hey, what's up? |
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| 20:50.08 | Guerin | seb-: -s |
| 20:50.11 | demonjester | Seb, apt-get -s install |
| 20:50.21 | demonjester | Guerin, beat me to it :) |
| 20:50.21 | streuner | seb-: don't continue apt-get upgrade? |
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| 20:50.27 | seb- | thanky kindly? |
| 20:50.32 | Flimqy | Has any body here ever attempted to use unionfs for /? I'm not sure where to create the unionfs and do the pivot_root in the initramfs scripts. Can anyone tell me where to do this? |
| 20:51.09 | seb- | streuner: i've had probs putting apt-get upgrade in a crontab |
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| 20:51.10 | seb- | streuner: better to check it manually first it seems |
| 20:51.10 | streuner | oh, you shouldn't do that |
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| 20:51.11 | Guerin | seb-: yes, that's because it';s a fucking stupid thing to do. |
| 20:51.11 | seb- | streuner: no you tell me! :) |
| 20:51.13 | seb- | Guerin: why? |
| 20:51.18 | hardcoffee | emerge hello world =) |
| 20:51.32 | Guerin | seb-: because you shouldn't automate something which can break your whole packaging system? |
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| 20:51.37 | stoned | seb-, don't cron apt |
| 20:51.39 | Guerin | seb-: use cron-apt if you must |
| 20:51.49 | seb- | Guerin: ok..i agree |
| 20:51.56 | seb- | Geurin: whoa..never heard of cron-apt |
| 20:51.57 | stoned | seb-, apt-listchanges apt-listbugs |
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| 20:52.08 | stoned | seb-, cron == bad. I learned the hardway one time |
| 20:52.18 | stoned | well, cronning apt is not advisable |
| 20:52.36 | x_link | stoned: lol what the hell is this. |
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| 20:52.40 | tijn_ | Hey all |
| 20:52.47 | Mooi | who what? cronning apt-get ?! |
| 20:52.50 | eeyore- | x_link: out of context |
| 20:52.53 | x_link | I did apt-get remove kdm and installed kdm again. Then I did apt-get remove gdm |
| 20:52.54 | Mooi | only for apt-get update... |
| 20:52.56 | tijn_ | in /etc/aliases is is possible to make an alias like *@domain1.com *@domain2.com ? |
| 20:53.05 | eeyore- | hey abrotman! |
| 20:53.06 | stoned | abrotman, its melting here |
| 20:53.06 | x_link | But then when I rebooted it told me that I ain |
| 20:53.16 | abrotman | stoned: put the pipe down .. |
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| 20:53.26 | x_link | But then when I rebooted it told me that I ain't got any login manager. Then I rebooted and now it uses gdm again. |
| 20:53.29 | Mooi | " /boot/initrd.img .... has been altered. Cannot update." < wtf? |
| 20:53.33 | stoned | abrotman, snow is almost melted around here |
| 20:53.35 | x_link | It seems like I really can't use kdm. |
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| 20:53.42 | azeem | x_link: what does update-alternatives --config x-session-manager present you with? |
| 20:53.44 | abrotman | stoned: aren't you guys in line for another ? |
| 20:53.50 | stoned | abrotman, yah |
| 20:53.52 | hardcoffee | how can i get a key for install wine ??? i have add this repository in sources.list but debian say he haven t a PUB-KEY valid |
| 20:53.54 | stoned | another 6 inches of snow |
| 20:53.55 | stoned | :( |
| 20:53.59 | hardcoffee | what is it plz ? |
| 20:54.12 | streuner | hardcoffee: official mirror? |
| 20:54.15 | x_link | azeem: I will take a look |
| 20:54.16 | hardcoffee | y |
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| 20:54.24 | Guerin | hardcoffee: why are you installing wine from outside debian when it's IN debian? |
| 20:54.26 | protocol1 | stoned, I just made a fonts directory in /usr/share/fonts/ and moved the new fonts in there... |
| 20:54.32 | streuner | hardcoffee: don't make me topicsmite you :-) |
| 20:54.40 | stoned | x_link, doood. please FFS just remove gdm and THEN install kdm and then check with update-alternatives. |
| 20:54.41 | tralala | hardcoffee, read the topic plz?! |
| 20:54.51 | stoned | x_link, its quite a trivial task man, you're thinking too much of it |
| 20:55.00 | thelostbutler | earlier i was here asking about grep -R hda /dev and i was told that grep is encountring a fifo and is waiting for input. but i find that grep hangs at crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 3, 7 2007-01-22 14:09 ttyp7 . there are devices that numbered earlier than ttyp7, ttyp7 doesn't look like fifo, i kind of confused. would appreciate some hlep |
| 20:55.05 | RedShift | does debian have support for bootable partitionable arrays? |
| 20:55.23 | Guerin | RedShift: is that a fancy way of saying root-on-raid? |
| 20:55.23 | stoned | protocol1, you can just placed them .fonts |
| 20:55.24 | x_link | stoned: I did that. still not working. |
| 20:55.30 | RedShift | Guerin: no |
| 20:55.33 | stoned | x_link, not working? what does that mean |
| 20:55.34 | protocol1 | ok |
| 20:55.35 | justin | thelostbutler: device/fifo, same difference |
| 20:55.42 | stoned | protocol1, ~/.fonts |
| 20:55.48 | x_link | stoned: Still uses gdm |
| 20:55.53 | stew | thelostbutler: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:56.03 | tralala | thelostbutler, why do you insist on grepping /? Just grep /etc |
| 20:56.04 | stoned | x_link, apt-get --purge remove gdm |
| 20:56.11 | stoned | x_link, do this first then let me konw |
| 20:56.30 | rhalff | is it normal on etch that there is only a /etc/postgresql-common and no /etc/postgresql ? |
| 20:56.33 | thelostbutler | stew: i am just trying to understand why this grep hang happens. i am using hda as an example. |
| 20:56.36 | LeVA | I'm strunggling with a simple php script: <?php system("./ls"); ?> the ls executable is a statically linked ls copied over to my site dir, because apache is chrooted. When I request the page with a browser I get no output, and the system()'s return value is 127. anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 20:56.41 | RedShift | Guerin: the root fs is on the raid array, that's true, but I'm not using 'classic' md raid arrays, I use a partitionable array |
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| 20:57.17 | x_link | azeem: I choosed number 1 which is /usr/bin/startkde |
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| 20:57.19 | stew | thelostbutler: what exactly is the question, then? |
| 20:57.23 | Guerin | RedShift: what I know about raid ain't worth knowing ;) |
| 20:57.33 | tralala | LeVA, does ls work if you use the chroot from command line? |
| 20:57.35 | azeem | x_link: no kdm? |
| 20:57.35 | RedShift | lol |
| 20:57.44 | azeem | x_link: then you didn't reinstall kdm |
| 20:57.51 | x_link | azeem: I got kdm installed. |
| 20:57.58 | x_link | What the hell is this. |
| 20:58.05 | azeem | I'm not quite sure what your problem is |
| 20:58.24 | LeVA | tralala: yes |
| 20:58.25 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:58.30 | thelostbutler | tralala: i am using fai for automated installations. an image of / is under /usr/lib/nfsroot as a nfsroot directory to be accessed. a recursive grep came across the /dev tree and it hung. i didn;t quite understand why it hung at /dev/ttyp7 when it was fine with ttyp[1-6] |
| 20:58.36 | azeem | x_link: what does dpkg -l gdm | tail -1 say? |
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| 20:58.54 | x_link | xlink:/home/sedde# dpkg -l gdm | tail -1 |
| 20:58.54 | x_link | rc gdm 2.16.4-1 GNOME Display Manager |
| 20:59.04 | x_link | azeem: and I just did the command that stoned told me. |
| 20:59.15 | azeem | ok |
| 20:59.15 | x_link | And that comman told me that I ain't got gdm on my syste, |
| 20:59.23 | x_link | azeem: Look at this. |
| 20:59.24 | azeem | which command? |
| 20:59.51 | rhalff | why the postgresql is fgs in /usr/share/postgresql/8.1.. ? :) |
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| 21:00.08 | x_link | azeem: http://www.pastebin.ca/324983 |
| 21:00.08 | abrotman | fgs ? |
| 21:00.12 | x_link | That shows that I'm using kdm |
| 21:00.15 | tralala | thelostbutler, all I know is you shouldn't be grepping /dev |
| 21:00.23 | abrotman | rhalff: you can have more than one version of pgsql installed now |
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| 21:00.32 | x_link | azeem: apt-get --purge remove gdm |
| 21:00.35 | azeem | x_link: so? |
| 21:00.37 | x_link | stoned told me to do that. |
| 21:00.38 | rhalff | abrotman: yeah but still something in /etc would be nice |
| 21:00.46 | abrotman | it should be there |
| 21:00.50 | azeem | x_link: kdm uses the same theme as gdm now, btw |
| 21:00.52 | stoned | x_link, as root. /etc/init.d/gdm stop && apt-get --purge remove gdm && apt-get insall kdm && update-alternatives --config x-session-manager (just to make sure) and then /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 21:00.54 | thelostbutler | stew: question is if grep hangs a fifo, then why does it run fine for /dev/tty[a-e][num] and ttyp[1-6] and then hang at ttyp7 |
| 21:01.02 | rhalff | abrotman: ah there isn't only /etc/postgresql-common |
| 21:01.12 | stoned | x_link, this is not hard just follow directions in order |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | rhalff: is or is not? |
| 21:01.35 | x_link | azeem: ahhhh ok. |
| 21:01.41 | x_link | But it should say kdm then =) |
| 21:01.46 | azeem | where? |
| 21:01.58 | rhalff | abrotman: no /etc/postgresql |
| 21:02.07 | abrotman | okay .. and ? |
| 21:02.43 | rhalff | abrotman: and so nothing in etc that points to the postgresql config |
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| 21:02.58 | chadmaynard | what is a virtual package? |
| 21:03.20 | Guerin | chadmaynard: a package which contains nothing but a dependency on other packages |
| 21:03.24 | rhalff | chadmaynard: a package that will install other real packages for convienence |
| 21:03.25 | stew | !virtual package |
| 21:03.25 | dpkg | well, virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 21:03.38 | stew | rhalff: no that's a meta-package |
| 21:03.47 | x_link | stoned: |
| 21:03.48 | x_link | d now |
| 21:03.48 | x_link | 22:00 -!- Jonny |
| 21:03.50 | betel | "hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdd" is frozen (D), and now everythin taht tryes to touch the CD freezes. Is there anything to do other then rebooting? |
| 21:03.50 | rhalff | stew: pff |
| 21:03.52 | rhalff | :) |
| 21:03.52 | Guerin | hm, right |
| 21:04.08 | x_link | errr |
| 21:04.08 | Guerin | stew: you win |
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| 21:04.08 | stew | \*/ |
| 21:04.14 | rhalff | at least we did it on the top of your heads |
| 21:04.20 | x_link | stoned: |
| 21:04.20 | rhalff | our |
| 21:04.35 | stoned | yes? |
| 21:04.35 | x_link | sorry, this copy/paste doesn't work. kdm is running now |
| 21:04.44 | Guerin | rhalff: getting it wrong yourself is better than getting it right from researching it? |
| 21:04.56 | Guerin | rhalff: i need you to explain this to my professor |
| 21:04.56 | x_link | xlink:/home/sedde# /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 21:04.57 | agnostic | on my Edgy, Ctrl+Alt+Fn combination do not work, any idea? |
| 21:04.59 | x_link | Starting K Display Manager: kdm already running. |
| 21:05.08 | Guerin | agnostic: don't use edgy? |
| 21:05.08 | stoned | x_link, alright just use common sense :) |
| 21:05.10 | azeem | agnostic: please ask #ubuntu for edgy questions |
| 21:05.11 | stew | agnostic: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:05.17 | tralala | agnostic, read the topi |
| 21:05.21 | tralala | topi |
| 21:05.24 | tralala | arhg |
| 21:05.28 | rhalff | Guerin: nope not really, but maybe dunno, just using dpkg or google for everything is that all either |
| 21:05.28 | x_link | stoned: hehe thanks and sorry for bothering this much. |
| 21:05.29 | stoned | topic is Urdu means hat btw |
| 21:05.30 | stoned | :) |
| 21:05.34 | stoned | er.. "topi" |
| 21:05.34 | x_link | azeem: thanks =) |
| 21:05.44 | Guerin | rhalff: are you drunk or something? |
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| 21:05.56 | rhalff | Guerin: nope, pathetic huh |
| 21:05.58 | Guerin | stoned: did you read my paper? |
| 21:06.00 | stoned | x_link, no man, not a bother at all |
| 21:06.04 | stoned | Guerin, I just woke up buddy |
| 21:06.11 | stoned | I got you in my lastlog |
| 21:06.37 | tijn_ | in /etc/aliases is is possible to make an alias like *@domain1.com *@domain2.com ? |
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| 21:07.12 | drbair_work | whats the command to clear out old .deb's? |
| 21:07.24 | tralala | apt-get clean |
| 21:07.24 | streuner | drbair: man apt-get |
| 21:07.25 | Guerin | drbair_work: aptitude [auto]clean |
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| 21:07.46 | drbair_work | thanks... thought there was a seperate command for it |
| 21:08.16 | streuner | yes, there is, but read the *FINE* man page |
| 21:08.19 | kingsley | How does one mount an Ultra II SanDisk flash card with its USB port? |
| 21:08.24 | hark | drbair_work: also cleans new .debs |
| 21:08.37 | streuner | !tell kingsley about usb storage |
| 21:09.00 | peterS | tijn_: no, virtual mail hosts have to be done in the config for your mail server |
| 21:09.03 | infernix | how can I query for installED (not installABLE) packages based on the repository where they reside? |
| 21:09.11 | kingsley | streuner: Thanks. |
| 21:09.29 | hardcoffee | well i gonna build MY wine.deb with my asshole |
| 21:09.35 | tijn_ | peterS so its already done? |
| 21:09.38 | hardcoffee | that is english :p |
| 21:09.38 | Guerin | hardcoffee: good luck with that |
| 21:09.43 | streuner | oh god, iam glad that my ISP disconnect me every 24 hours... :-) |
| 21:09.43 | tijn_ | ow wait ok |
| 21:09.44 | hardcoffee | no problem |
| 21:09.49 | peterS | infernix: 'aptitude search' has options for that sort of thing |
| 21:09.55 | Guerin | hardcoffee: make sure you wash it before trying to use it |
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| 21:10.08 | tralala | bwahahahahaha |
| 21:10.09 | tijn_ | peterS: misread you ;) |
| 21:10.13 | tijn_ | thnx! |
| 21:10.25 | hardcoffee | wine is NOT APPAIR in packet list |
| 21:10.41 | hardcoffee | and i have my source.list is good |
| 21:10.55 | streuner | hardcoffee: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:11.28 | hardcoffee | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:11.31 | hardcoffee | voila |
| 21:11.40 | streuner | and show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 21:11.47 | hardcoffee | that is good ? |
| 21:11.50 | stew | hardcoffee: what arch are you running? |
| 21:11.50 | streuner | !info wine etch |
| 21:11.58 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1165 kB, Installed size: 5284 kB |
| 21:12.02 | rBo3Db | i have netinstalled etch... which packages do i need to play audio cds?.. |
| 21:12.03 | stew | hardcoffee: are you on i386? amd64? ppc? |
| 21:12.04 | streuner | hm |
| 21:12.13 | hardcoffee | amd64-net-inst |
| 21:12.19 | hardcoffee | debian etch |
| 21:12.20 | stew | hardcoffee: wine is only for i386 |
| 21:12.31 | stew | hardcoffee: you'd have to create a i386 chroot in order to install wine |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | though if you ask #winehq .. i think there is a wine64 port or some crap |
| 21:12.39 | hardcoffee | so how can i specify to use i386 |
| 21:12.53 | hardcoffee | yeye i have the page open |
| 21:12.53 | Guerin | hardcoffee: you can't. |
| 21:13.04 | stew | hardcoffee: use debootstrap to setup the chroot, passing it the --arch parameter, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 21:13.06 | Guerin | hardcoffee: you make a chroot. /msg dpkg chroot |
| 21:13.08 | hardcoffee | erf |
| 21:13.08 | stoned | man, if wine or cedega can run Oblivion, I would have NO MORE USE for windows |
| 21:13.10 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:13.26 | stoned | would be a happy day |
| 21:13.27 | Guerin | why is windows any worse than cedega? |
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| 21:13.30 | stew | sounds like its time to forget about whatever oblivion is |
| 21:13.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:13.41 | stoned | stew, best rpg ever made :) |
| 21:13.54 | streuner | Guerin: you usually have windows installed on the box you bought? |
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| 21:14.15 | Guerin | streuner: nope. |
| 21:14.22 | streuner | in most cases |
| 21:14.25 | Guerin | nope |
| 21:14.30 | streuner | not in *ALL* cases |
| 21:14.44 | Guerin | in ONE of my last four computers |
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| 21:14.54 | SerajewelKS | what is the standard way to set which permissions files created in a certain directory should have? |
| 21:15.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: umask |
| 21:15.04 | Guerin | streuner: umask |
| 21:15.11 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 21:15.19 | SerajewelKS | stew: from what i can tell that is global, no? |
| 21:15.32 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, its per environment |
| 21:15.35 | tralala | Guerin, one-letter tab completion... that's lazy |
| 21:15.49 | Guerin | tijn_: i know ;) |
| 21:15.51 | SerajewelKS | stew: well... okay, but i said per directory |
| 21:15.56 | stew | SerajewelKS: you can't |
| 21:15.57 | tralala | heheh :) |
| 21:16.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sticky? |
| 21:16.06 | rBo3Db | i have netinstalled etch... which packages do i need to play audio cds?.. |
| 21:16.14 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: sticky is different |
| 21:16.20 | streuner | Guerin: on that cheap stuff i usually buy, there is nothing at all (windows) :-P |
| 21:16.30 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yes, but i'm not aware of anything which does precisely what you want. |
| 21:16.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: sigh, didn't think there was... |
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| 21:18.15 | chadmaynard | can someone advise me on this error output? http://pastebin.ca/325010 |
| 21:18.19 | streuner | Guerin: where do you live? with *every* NORMAL PC you get some software... |
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| 21:19.23 | streuner | not on the low end (prize) |
| 21:19.24 | chadmaynard | spamd is running.... it doesnt realize this and tries to start it and the port is already binded |
| 21:19.35 | mne | hi, is there a possibility to limit the number of fork()s on a per user basis ? I have problems on on of my systems with uncontrolled fork()ing (similar to some kind of fork bomb). Is there some kernel patch/code I could apply ? |
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| 21:21.01 | SerajewelKS | mne: kick those users off |
| 21:21.42 | stew | mne: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:22.04 | mne | SerajewelKS, No, that's neither a solution and nor can it be done. for freebsd there's a kernel module: |
| 21:22.26 | mne | stew, can I control the number of forks on a per user basis there ? |
| 21:22.30 | mne | stew, I'll have a look |
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| 21:23.02 | Reiser_X | Gnea: Hi |
| 21:23.03 | stew | mne: you can limit number of processes |
| 21:23.12 | Reiser_X | i have some problems to mount pendrive |
| 21:23.23 | mne | stew, does a fork count as process ? |
| 21:23.34 | mne | stew, it should .. |
| 21:23.36 | stew | mne: yes |
| 21:23.43 | stew | fork - create a child process |
| 21:23.44 | mne | stew, thanks ! |
| 21:24.16 | Reiser_X | mount: /dev/sda1 no valid block device |
| 21:24.31 | Reiser_X | why? |
| 21:24.33 | stew | Reiser_X: what made you decide to use /dev/sda1? |
| 21:24.44 | stew | Reiser_X: do you have usb-storage and sd_mod loaded? |
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| 21:25.01 | stew | Reiser_X: does some other /dev/sd?? partition show up in "fdisk -l"? |
| 21:25.17 | mne | Reiser_X, look in your /var/log/messages (or syslog). the answer should be in there ;) |
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| 21:27.18 | Guerin | streuner: i'm not saying most PCs don't come with it, i'm saying the ones *I* buy don't come with it |
| 21:27.33 | streuner | Guerin: the same here :-P |
| 21:28.32 | cureless | I don't buy PCs, I buy parts. |
| 21:29.01 | streuner | a whole PC is cheaper, if you buy parts |
| 21:29.13 | streuner | s/if/vs/ |
| 21:29.19 | cureless | depends on the parts |
| 21:29.21 | enouf | tastes just like chicken |
| 21:29.22 | cureless | (or the pc) |
| 21:29.51 | Flimqy | Does anyone here have experience with 'Casper'? I can't find instructions on how to configure it... |
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| 21:30.01 | Flimqy | Am I supposed to put disk images in /casper? |
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| 21:32.21 | Draconicus | I'm trying to create a Fat16 partition with partman in the installer, and it's failing every time. I'm not even trying to mount it! Can anyone help? |
| 21:32.49 | Guerin | Draconicus: wait until you have the os installed |
| 21:33.00 | Guerin | but honestly, that's a fucking stupoid thing to do |
| 21:33.12 | Draconicus | It's for a Win95 experiment. |
| 21:33.30 | Draconicus | Just a toy project. |
| 21:33.49 | streuner | d-i is for installing debian, NOT to make a experiment ... :-) |
| 21:33.59 | Flimqy | Draconicus: what exactly is failing? |
| 21:34.17 | streuner | Why not just use some old d-i? |
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| 21:35.04 | streuner | or create the partition with some free DOS and use d-i to do the rest |
| 21:35.21 | abrotman | why would you use fat16 |
| 21:35.30 | streuner | he want to install win95 |
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| 21:38.10 | L4m3r | is it safe to install an ubuntu package in Sid? |
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| 21:38.15 | azeem | L4m3r: no |
| 21:38.26 | streuner | !tell L4m3r about bobbitt |
| 21:38.41 | enouf | use fat32 unless you absolutely need some funky ntpoop support |
| 21:38.45 | streuner | the same goes with different packages from different distros... |
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| 21:39.15 | L4m3r | I see, thx |
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| 21:42.49 | enouf | I haven't looked in a long time Flimqy , but isn't casper a windows tool? |
| 21:43.04 | Flimqy | enouf: No. |
| 21:43.13 | azeem | it's what the Ubiquity used to be called before |
| 21:43.17 | Flimqy | enouf: It's an initramfs hook script |
| 21:43.17 | azeem | s/the// |
| 21:43.20 | azeem | oh? |
| 21:43.21 | enouf | So when did they add support for linux? |
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| 21:43.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:43.51 | enouf | ahh the name game .. wonderful |
| 21:44.21 | Flimqy | enouf: Well it was invented by Ubuntu, and adopted by Debian... so AFAIK, It's always supported Linux :P |
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| 21:44.43 | enouf | Google for Caspre .. it's a Ghost like backup tool meant for windonts |
| 21:44.48 | enouf | er casper |
| 21:45.25 | Flimqy | enouf: Oh. |
| 21:45.26 | stew | its also a program ubuntu uses for bootstrapping iirc |
| 21:45.34 | Flimqy | stew: that's the one I'm interested in. |
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| 21:48.11 | kingsley | Why wouldn't a USB device appear in /dev/* after loading the sd_mod module, plugging in the USB device and loading the usb_storage module? |
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| 21:49.50 | streuner | kingsley: do you use udev? |
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| 21:50.35 | enouf | udevtrigger --verbose | grep block return your partitions? |
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| 21:55.51 | marco_ | Where can I find the source code to su? |
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| 21:56.42 | streuner | uh |
| 21:56.54 | streuner | search for the package |
| 21:56.57 | streuner | and use pdo |
| 21:57.07 | TTT | hi, um, can I match a range of MAC addresses with iptables? I.e. --mac-source 00:15:F1:XX:XX:XX, where XX would match any number? |
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| 21:59.21 | streuner | marco_: packages.debian.org/login |
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| 22:00.59 | kingsley | streuner: Thanks for asking. stew: It seems to me that I'm not running udev, because "ps aux | grep udev" didn't find it. |
| 22:01.01 | spundun | hi all... |
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| 22:01.42 | spundun | my mysqld on a debian box is not accepting conections from other machines... I think the ports are blocked... how do I debug this problem? |
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| 22:02.08 | spundun | where do I add the mysql port number so that its allowed? |
| 22:02.15 | chadmaynard | have you granted privs from other than localhost spundun? |
| 22:02.25 | spundun | chadmaynard: yeah... |
| 22:02.29 | JosefK | spundun, you'd most likely need to add the interfaces you wish to listen on and networks you want to accept connections from |
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| 22:02.32 | spundun | it just says cant' connect... |
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| 22:02.59 | spundun | JosefK: add where? |
| 22:03.03 | chadmaynard | it'll do that if you dont have users... or if you set --skip-networking, or dont have a bind statement |
| 22:03.05 | streuner | kingsley: just install udev |
| 22:03.22 | JosefK | spundun, *shrugs* I'm a postgresql man, but that's the standard, check in /etc |
| 22:03.25 | Guerin | all of which are sane defaults |
| 22:03.31 | sepski | spundun, it's all in the /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/* files |
| 22:03.36 | kingsley | For what it's worth, another USB device that is plugged into a port connected directly to the motherboard works OK, but the USB device that I'm having trouble with is plugged into a USB port on the front of the box. |
| 22:03.59 | Guerin | kingsley: are you sure the front ports are actually wired to the mobo? |
| 22:04.05 | spundun | ok... lemme see... |
| 22:04.22 | kingsley | Guerin: No. |
| 22:04.37 | Guerin | kingsley: ... |
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| 22:05.08 | spundun | sepski: chadmaynard so you guys don't think I have some kinda iptable type port-blocking setup haan? |
| 22:05.09 | kingsley | streuner: The udev package is already installed, but its daemon isn't running... |
| 22:05.16 | elshaa | hi |
| 22:05.26 | streuner | kingsley: /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 22:05.30 | sepski | spundun, no it default to listen on loopback only.- |
| 22:05.41 | sepski | spundun, and the docs say how to make it listen |
| 22:05.49 | Kuko | Is there a room for development/sid |
| 22:05.49 | sepski | the README.Debian iirc |
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| 22:05.51 | spundun | sepski: ok... thanks |
| 22:05.54 | kingsley | streuner: * udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, not started. failed! |
| 22:06.11 | streuner | well, install another kernel then? ;-) |
| 22:06.14 | Kuko | I have a question about a program in sid that was updated but its dependencie wasnt. I figured i should notify someone |
| 22:06.22 | streuner | kingsley: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:06.27 | Guerin | kingsley: don't bother trying to debug the software until you know the hardware is set up. Front USB ports need to be wired from the mobo, and if they'r enot, you're not plugging it into anything. |
| 22:06.48 | kingsley | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:06.55 | streuner | heh |
| 22:06.58 | Guerin | kingsley: they also have issues like different voltage and other weirdness, so suggest trying the device in a known-good port |
| 22:07.23 | streuner | wth are you using? |
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| 22:08.22 | kingsley | streuner: Can you elaborate on how udev would help USB work better? |
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| 22:08.49 | kingsley | Guerin: I share your concern that the fron USB ports aren |
| 22:09.01 | Guerin | if you share my concern, why haven't you checked? |
| 22:09.06 | streuner | kingsley: as long as you make basic mistakes, nobody can help you then. |
| 22:09.11 | kingsley | Guerin: I share your concern that the fron USB ports aren't wired, but I'd prefer to not shutdown and open the case. |
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| 22:09.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:09.39 | Guerin | kingsley: `i'm not sure if this gun is loaded or not, but instead of checking I'm just going to pull the trigger and see' |
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| 22:10.24 | elshaa | anyone knows a tool (like a webapp) to easily manage a dhcpd + dns server ? |
| 22:10.25 | Darwinian | evening people, I have a question, how does one go about upgrading sarge to etch/ |
| 22:10.31 | Darwinian | ?* |
| 22:10.36 | L4m3r | you don't HAVE to shut down, kingsley |
| 22:10.37 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 22:11.03 | Darwinian | elshaa: webmin might be an option if it wasn't a total overkill |
| 22:11.10 | Guerin | webmin isn't in debian |
| 22:11.14 | jjazz | Darwinian: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:11.16 | Guerin | and sane people don't use it anyway |
| 22:11.17 | elshaa | yes :) |
| 22:11.23 | elshaa | I would prefer to avoid webmin :) |
| 22:11.31 | Darwinian | Guerin: point taken :P |
| 22:11.40 | craigevil | Kuko: thats what Sid is all about, wait a day or so and it will most likely be fixed |
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| 22:11.55 | Kuko | its been 3 days.... i figured i would report it |
| 22:11.56 | Guerin | elshaa: i don't know of one, but I guess there must be some since every DNS provider uses them. |
| 22:12.07 | streuner | kingsley: we usuallly think that people use debian and use the software they provide, plus that the hardware is ok... |
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| 22:12.48 | Guerin | kingsley: did you file a bug on the BTS? Or check to see if one's filed already? |
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| 22:13.14 | streuner | Guerin: iam not sure what he use (distro) |
| 22:13.54 | Guerin | streuner: not debian? |
| 22:14.08 | streuner | <kingsley> streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:14.20 | Guerin | that tells me nothing |
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| 22:14.39 | streuner | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:14.42 | streuner | sarge |
| 22:14.50 | streuner | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:14.52 | streuner | sid |
| 22:14.56 | Guerin | it's missing a ds1 |
| 22:15.00 | streuner | yeah |
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| 22:15.36 | D0ug | How do you manually install a deb file with dpkg |
| 22:15.37 | Guerin | kingsley: are you even using debian? |
| 22:15.41 | Guerin | Darwinian: man dpkg |
| 22:15.43 | Guerin | rrr |
| 22:15.49 | Guerin | D0ug: man dpkg |
| 22:15.56 | Darwinian | Guerin: thanks :P |
| 22:16.11 | D0ug | ta |
| 22:16.25 | kingsley | I suspect that the box's front USB ports are live becuase a.) my son said he used one to recharge his ipod and b.) "lsusb" reports two USB busses, and I suspect one is for the ports connected directly to the motherboard and the other is for ports connected to the front of the box. |
| 22:16.26 | enouf | well .. you just told him to file a bug ... heh |
| 22:16.34 | kingsley | Guerin: Yes. |
| 22:16.55 | streuner | enouf: enouf! |
| 22:17.04 | enouf | :-P |
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| 22:17.16 | D0ug | man dosent work |
| 22:17.22 | blondie | try woman? |
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| 22:17.24 | D0ug | I just get a blank page |
| 22:17.25 | D0ug | lmfao |
| 22:17.35 | Guerin | kingsley: two USB busses would usually signify one is onboard and one is on a pci card or somesuch. The ports being live isn't a guarantee they're set up, but it's a good indication. |
| 22:17.40 | Darwinian | blondie: darn.. I was about to say that.. |
| 22:18.02 | RespectTheRules | D0ug, Hello try "man dpkg" |
| 22:18.28 | maddash | is there any way I could install JRE 1.5 (jre only) on my etch? |
| 22:18.34 | RespectTheRules | D0ug, or dpkg --help |
| 22:18.37 | Guerin | maddash: /msg dpkg java |
| 22:19.03 | Guerin | D0ug: if man doesn't work, i suggest supplying beer and pizza |
| 22:19.55 | enouf | D0ug: what's set | grep MANPATH say? |
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| 22:20.38 | D0ug | 'tis fine |
| 22:20.41 | D0ug | Just figured it out |
| 22:20.57 | D0ug | Sorry to once again be the anooying noob who incessantly asks the same questions... |
| 22:21.08 | maddash | why the heck is jre5 from sun so big? |
| 22:21.15 | streuner | ask sun |
| 22:21.32 | RespectTheRules | I heard XFCE 4.4 now available .. Enjoy it |
| 22:21.46 | rsk | maddash: to fit all the java bloat in? |
| 22:21.57 | maddash | rsk: I see. |
| 22:22.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:22.01 | blondie | maddash: why is the sun so big? |
| 22:22.15 | Guerin | how would they possibly eat up all your ram if they didn't have a ooj package to start with? |
| 22:22.16 | maddash | blondie: Sun* |
| 22:22.27 | hardcoffee | well for people who was interreted by my wine, I inform us wine 64 is compiling,and installed =) |
| 22:22.38 | Guerin | hardcoffee: woo. |
| 22:22.41 | blondie | hardcoffee: coffee and wine is a funny mix |
| 22:22.46 | hardcoffee | lol |
| 22:22.56 | hardcoffee | well i do it without no probleme ! |
| 22:23.00 | Guerin | mmm, coffee |
| 22:23.04 | Guerin | mmmm, wine |
| 22:23.04 | hardcoffee | y? |
| 22:23.17 | christiane | Hello. I try to create a raid device. /dev/hda2 is 8 GB. `mdadm --create /dev/md1 --raid-devices=2 --level=1 /dev/hda2 missing` puts out "mdadm: /dev/hda2 is too small: OK \n mdadm: create aborted". Any idea? |
| 22:23.19 | Darwinian | Guerin: mixing drinks? |
| 22:23.45 | Guerin | Darwinian: why not? |
| 22:23.55 | Darwinian | Guerin: pass |
| 22:24.09 | maddash | yay, azureus, here I come! (thanks Guerin BTW) |
| 22:24.15 | Darwinian | but I could murder for a iced coffee right about now |
| 22:24.42 | Guerin | arseureus |
| 22:25.00 | wireddd | kingsley: try plugging your mouse into the front usb ports and see if it works |
| 22:25.02 | maddash | lol. you don't use it? |
| 22:25.07 | Guerin | maddash: fuck no. |
| 22:25.36 | RespectTheRules | christiane, sorry no idea |
| 22:26.24 | maddash | Guerin: your bittorrent client? |
| 22:26.36 | wireddd | maddash: I use torrentflux |
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| 22:27.03 | wireddd | which I run on my router |
| 22:27.06 | kingsley | wireddd: I like your suggestion because it might distinguish between a problem with the USB device or port. Although I'm not using a USB mouse, I suppose I might try another USB device that I know works. |
| 22:27.15 | Guerin | maddash: i ran a bittorrent distribution site for a while, serving 100G per day out of ~30G worth of files (at once) on a box with 384MB ram which was also serving KDE via xdmcp to my wife's box. rtorrent is the only client industrial-strength enough to handle that sort of volume. |
| 22:27.37 | maddash | your "wife's box"??? |
| 22:27.45 | maddash | oh oh. nvm |
| 22:27.57 | Guerin | yes, we snafred a p2 with 64MB and used it as an X temrinal |
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| 22:28.01 | Guerin | not THAT sort of box |
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| 22:28.19 | wireddd | kingsley: try the ports on the back too, because you can turn off usb ports in most bioses |
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| 22:28.45 | wireddd | ie, the front ports may be disabled in the bios but will still charge devices |
| 22:28.46 | maddash | Guerin: isn't rtorrent console based? doesn't bother you? |
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| 22:29.11 | Guerin | maddash: why would it? I don't need pretty pictures for the bits to go in and out. |
| 22:29.16 | kingsley | wireddd: Yet another good point. I happen to know that at least one USB port on the back of the box works, but I hadn't considered checking the BIOS. |
| 22:29.33 | Darwinian | maddash: just because its console don't mean its not user friendly |
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| 22:30.13 | kingsley | wireddd: For what its worth, the "lsusb" command reports two USB busses, which I assume are the front and back ports. |
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| 22:30.25 | emss | soon you will discover it is console that's user-friendly not gui crap |
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| 22:30.46 | wireddd | kingsley: you'll have to test it to know for sure |
| 22:30.53 | Guerin | emss: for unknown values of `soon' |
| 22:31.05 | Guerin | kingsley: shouldn't. |
| 22:31.10 | Darwinian | kingsley: no it shouldn't |
| 22:31.21 | maddash | Guerin: whoa. it's so fast. |
| 22:31.24 | Guerin | but linux sometimes ignores bois flags if they're not implemented properly |
| 22:31.25 | enouf | http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x356.html |
| 22:31.35 | pumpkin0 | How do i prevent aiglx from loading under etch ? i want a "pure" non-aiglx X11 server to test something. |
| 22:31.35 | emss | Guerin: patience my son, all in good time :) |
| 22:31.41 | Guerin | maddash: yes. It's the only one which isn't written in a scripting language. |
| 22:32.05 | emss | console is the greatest inventions since webmin |
| 22:32.05 | azeem | pumpkin0: you can add a Option AIGLX "disbable" or something to xorg.conf |
| 22:32.09 | azeem | pumpkin0: maybe google for it |
| 22:32.16 | wireddd | kingsley: just take a usb mouse or keyboard from another computer and plug it in to various ports and see what happens |
| 22:32.17 | Guerin | emss: you lose. |
| 22:32.30 | emss | Guerin: :\ why? |
| 22:32.35 | Guerin | emss: webmin. |
| 22:32.49 | emss | emss: sarcasm |
| 22:32.54 | emss | Guerin: |
| 22:32.56 | emss | :\ |
| 22:32.57 | karsten | !webmin |
| 22:32.57 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 22:33.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:33.13 | Guerin | emss: you think webmin is a joking matter?>??!!?2wes |
| 22:33.21 | streuner | webmin isn't part of debian anymore |
| 22:33.37 | emss | Guerin: not anymore |
| 22:34.39 | emss | Guerin: have a senior do it, no fine |
| 22:34.42 | emss | Guerin: :) |
| 22:34.46 | maddash | haha. I *keep* my library books. |
| 22:35.11 | eeyore- | emss: you actually like webmin? |
| 22:35.37 | emss | eeyore-: I was joking |
| 22:35.47 | eeyore- | i saw the writing on the wall for webmin way back when i entered an IP address only to have webmin reverse all the bytes :-) |
| 22:35.49 | Guerin | emss: a senior? |
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| 22:36.03 | emss | Guerin: 55+ ? |
| 22:36.07 | Guerin | maddash: i have to get more out later. It's called `university' |
| 22:36.08 | emss | Guerin: age |
| 22:36.10 | Guerin | emss: haha |
| 22:36.41 | Guerin | emss: this is a university library, and these are restricted-loan books which I was supposed to return on friday; unfortunately my paper was due today so that wasn't an option. |
| 22:37.10 | Darwinian | Guerin: why are you arguing this? go and return those books |
| 22:37.24 | hardcoffee | i m cherching wall paper for my debian someone have a good adress ? |
| 22:37.44 | Guerin | hardcoffee: goatse.cx |
| 22:37.48 | emss | hardcoffee: google.com |
| 22:37.56 | Guerin | Darwinian: yes. |
| 22:37.57 | Darwinian | Guerin: bad... |
| 22:38.00 | azeem | Guerin: whoa, lucky I'm not identified |
| 22:38.06 | karsten | hardcoffee: file:///dev/urandom |
| 22:38.17 | Guerin | azeem: aw, you wouldn't ban me for that. |
| 22:38.30 | azeem | 23:26 -!- Irssi: I've wanted to HASH(0x839b308) Guerin off #debian on OPN since 1169504785 |
| 22:38.39 | azeem | that's a nice way of saying it |
| 22:38.50 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i force regeneration of my keys in /etc/ssh/ ? |
| 22:38.50 | Guerin | azeem: ? |
| 22:39.06 | karsten | evilbulgarian: Short answer: look at your ssh postinst. |
| 22:39.11 | azeem | Guerin: the script tried to acquire ops, but couldn't as I wasn't identified |
| 22:39.18 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:39.19 | karsten | evilbulgarian: Long answer: have one of us look at it and read back teh answer to you. |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | azeem: it would auto-ban anyone who said that particular strong? |
| 22:39.37 | Guerin | string, even |
| 22:39.41 | azeem | Guerin: no, I invoked it myself |
| 22:39.42 | evilbulgarian | karsten: where is the postinst file located |
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| 22:40.07 | Guerin | azeem: if you check the site, you'll see it's not actually offensive. |
| 22:40.18 | karsten | evilbulgarian: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pckgname>.postinst |
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| 22:40.42 | evilbulgarian | karsten: thx |
| 22:40.51 | azeem | Guerin: I like to shoot first and ask questions later :P |
| 22:40.55 | streuner | Guerin: there is a long tradition to use that URL here, only newbies don't know about ;-) |
| 22:40.56 | maddash | Guerin: when did classes start? |
| 22:40.58 | karsten | evilbulgarian: ssh-keygen -q -f "$file" -N '' "$@" |
| 22:41.07 | Guerin | maddash: November. |
| 22:41.13 | Guerin | !shoot azeem |
| 22:41.19 | lilferry | I compiled a kernel for my system (debian) by hand. But now I want to try the debian kernel, can I just run apt-get install kernelimage, and apt will handle the removal of modules from the previous kernel etc? |
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| 22:41.58 | streuner | !shoot azeem |
| 22:42.01 | evilbulgarian | karsten: i just did dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 22:42.01 | maddash | ... |
| 22:42.02 | Guerin | flexin', eh |
| 22:42.06 | Guerin | classy |
| 22:42.19 | azeem | no, I just resetted it before it'd +q you next time I ban somebody |
| 22:42.20 | karsten | evilbulgarian: That might do it as well. |
| 22:42.24 | Guerin | hehe |
| 22:42.33 | azeem | like streuner |
| 22:42.39 | Guerin | to pick someone at random |
| 22:42.42 | Guerin | ;0 |
| 22:42.43 | Guerin | ; |
| 22:42.47 | streuner | asshole |
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| 22:42.57 | Guerin | why |
| 22:43.06 | maddash | Guerin: november? that sucks. spring semester, rah? |
| 22:43.12 | Guerin | all's in good humour thus far, why be cranky? |
| 22:43.20 | lilferry | is apt able to handle debian kernel install after I've compiled a kernel by hand without telling apt about it? |
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| 22:43.37 | Guerin | maddash: I had to do a year-long course in 1.5 semesters, which means summer skool. |
| 22:43.42 | karsten | lilferry: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:43.46 | fredforfaen | im building a gift-plugin that i got from cvs , when i run autogen.sh i get configure.ac:23: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC any ideas? |
| 22:43.48 | Guerin | lilferry: yes. |
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| 22:44.15 | karsten | lilferry: You want to have debian manage your hand-tooled kernel, or handle its own kernels after the fact? |
| 22:44.19 | eeyore- | fredforfaen: use a different version of auto-tools? |
| 22:44.27 | lilferry | karsten, handle its own kernels |
| 22:44.30 | eeyore- | fredforfaen: or, maybe regenerate the generated files? |
| 22:44.42 | karsten | lilferry: Short answer: apt will manage new kernel installation. Check that your /boot/grub/menu.list conforms to Debian format and/or regenerate it. |
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| 22:44.45 | fredforfaen | ok like a older versiom eeyore- |
| 22:44.47 | fredforfaen | ?? |
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| 22:44.57 | lilferry | okay |
| 22:44.57 | karsten | lilferry: assuming use of grub (you should). |
| 22:44.59 | fredforfaen | im using the newest i think |
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| 22:45.42 | lilferry | and btw, do I get to look/edit the config myself when using apt? |
| 22:46.17 | karsten | lilferry: What config file? Kernel or grub? |
| 22:46.21 | lilferry | kernel |
| 22:46.21 | maddash | lilferry: no. do that after you've installed. |
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| 22:46.36 | lilferry | huh, after I've installed? |
| 22:46.36 | maddash | lilferry: ah. I meant grub. |
| 22:46.50 | maddash | lilferry: installed your kernel |
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| 22:46.55 | badbugs | Hello |
| 22:46.59 | joyegg | hi |
| 22:47.06 | lilferry | I meant, the kernel config, not grub. |
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| 22:48.09 | maddash | ...I thought you unbanned him already |
| 22:48.11 | lilferry | its not a precompiled kernel it fetches? |
| 22:48.45 | stoned | !seen eldowan |
| 22:48.45 | dpkg | eldowan <n=grant@65.203.97.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 21h 35m 48s ago, saying: 'dondelelcaro: Ahh, no I will try to remember to search with ~d then. Thanks.'. |
| 22:48.48 | maddash | lilferry: are you installing a kernel you compiled yourself? |
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| 22:48.57 | maddash | !seen amphi |
| 22:48.57 | dpkg | amphi is currently on #debian (4h 3m 12s), last said: 'or maybe CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is enough'. |
| 22:49.14 | badbugs | When etch will be stable, backport.org will take charge of it? |
| 22:49.26 | lilferry | bah, no. Im currently using a kernel I installed by hand. But now I want to use a debian kernel instead. And I want it installed with apt-get the debain way. |
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| 22:49.44 | sparr | a new low... im reduced to running the web browser with the least library requirements to avoid system hangs due to intermittent hard drive failure... |
| 22:49.46 | streuner | badbugs: sure |
| 22:50.00 | badbugs | Thanks |
| 22:50.15 | stoned | !exp4bugs |
| 22:50.15 | dpkg | exp4bugs is probably "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 22:50.26 | LLcoolM | what can i do, in case i want to run a private webserver with multiple websites (domains) and one https domain? |
| 22:50.40 | maddash | lilferry: then add a debian repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo aptitude install linux-image-[uname -r] |
| 22:50.41 | LLcoolM | it seems i cannot mix name-based vhosts and ip-based vhosts. |
| 22:50.44 | karsten | LLcoolM: /join #apache |
| 22:51.03 | maddash | !whois karsten |
| 22:51.05 | karsten | LLcoolM: and check your webserver bindings. |
| 22:51.08 | maddash | oops |
| 22:51.12 | karsten | maddash: If you find out, tell me ;-) |
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| 22:51.19 | streuner | haha |
| 22:51.27 | maddash | whoa cool. "@unaffiliated" |
| 22:51.38 | lilferry | All I want to know is: when I do apt-get install kernelimage: Am I able edit the kernel config of the debian kernel? |
| 22:51.50 | streuner | maddash: might be easier if you ask him, if you have some questions... |
| 22:51.55 | karsten | lilferry: yes. |
| 22:51.55 | LLcoolM | karsten: where to get such a cloak? |
| 22:52.01 | maddash | lilferry: kernel configs are in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:52.02 | karsten | LLcoolM: Staff. |
| 22:52.17 | lilferry | yes, I know that. |
| 22:52.18 | karsten | LLcoolM: check the freenode faq |
| 22:52.20 | LLcoolM | karsten: i tried asking a couple of times - no luck though |
| 22:52.31 | LLcoolM | karsten: i did. |
| 22:52.32 | karsten | LLcoolM: RichiH can usually do it. |
| 22:52.32 | maddash | !faq |
| 22:52.32 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:52.52 | LLcoolM | karsten: staffers can usually all do it, but neither one ever answered... |
| 22:52.52 | karsten | maddash: Wrong faq |
| 22:52.58 | karsten | LLcoolM: Keep asking. |
| 22:53.05 | maddash | karsten: shucks. |
| 22:53.19 | maddash | karsten: can I borrow your nick and masquerade in your coolness? |
| 22:53.37 | karsten | maddash: Sure. |
| 22:53.41 | karsten | maddash: Meet my price. |
| 22:53.43 | streuner | maddash: freenode.net has some FAQ's about |
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| 22:54.28 | Neoteric | anyone know how I could find an old deb for apache2 but w/ apache 2.0.55 and not 2.2.x something or other? |
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| 22:55.18 | eeyore- | Neoteric: go to the debian repository directly |
| 22:55.40 | eeyore- | Neoteric: go grab any archived *.deb file that may have been kept around. other than that, ask. you might get lucky. |
| 22:56.02 | maddash | streuner: how do I access the FAQ? /faq? |
| 22:56.30 | streuner | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 22:56.44 | eeyore- | karsten: market cap is fairly meaningless number .... |
| 22:56.45 | karsten | Google's is $147.21B |
| 22:57.01 | karsten | eeyore-: Looking at a price to set for my coolness. |
| 22:57.06 | Neoteric | eeyore-: yeah I just checked a couple of repos and it's not there and apache 2.2 doesn't work well for me |
| 22:57.19 | eeyore- | Neoteric: why not? (work well) |
| 22:57.52 | eeyore- | Neoteric: my feeling is, bite the bullet and edit config files/whatever and just make it work with the latest apache ;-) |
| 22:57.54 | CyberGabber | How can i choose the 'source' ; e.g. Internet-radio channel in Rhythmbox ? I can add an Internet-radio channel, but cant select it to play. |
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| 22:58.35 | Neoteric | eeyore-: something in 2.2 changed the conf files and I didn't want to bother w/ the craptastic job of figuring out what. :) |
| 22:59.51 | eeyore- | Neoteric: do it once, i guess ... i had to --- i'm sure most people had to, as well |
| 23:00.51 | smimp | upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 and got a warning about /etc/init.d/hotplug saying it needed to be removed. it isn't installed, but i have the init.d script the package seemed worried about. can i just ignore it? |
| 23:02.00 | maddash | omg. it's h3xis |
| 23:02.02 | bcstv | My network computers do not show in when I go to network places |
| 23:02.02 | eeyore- | smimp: rm /etc/init.d/hotplug if you're sure the package itself isn't installed |
| 23:02.04 | maddash | and nalioth |
| 23:02.06 | h3xis | omg maddash! |
| 23:02.17 | h3xis | <3 |
| 23:02.19 | maddash | whoa. cool. |
| 23:02.30 | eeyore- | mutual admiration society? |
| 23:02.37 | smimp | eeyore-: i think theres a hotplug-net script or something too? can i do the same? |
| 23:02.43 | maddash | h3xis: I thought you used the african word for "humanity to others" |
| 23:03.06 | h3xis | madclicker, no i use debian and volkerding's distro |
| 23:03.08 | h3xis | er |
| 23:03.10 | h3xis | maddash |
| 23:03.11 | eeyore- | smimp: are you sure it's not installed? why would hotplug leave its scripts lying around? |
| 23:03.15 | h3xis | sorry madclicker |
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| 23:04.55 | smimp | removed, not purged, guess thats it |
| 23:06.07 | maddash | . |
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| 23:07.33 | stream | I have a debian box that is all of the sudden dying on boot up, its doing everything read only... |
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| 23:07.42 | smimp | eeyore-: ya, purge fixed |
| 23:07.47 | Neoteric | eeyore-: do you remember what the pain was? |
| 23:07.51 | maddash | stream: check /etc/fstab? |
| 23:07.52 | stream | i did a fsck on the root partition |
| 23:08.17 | maddash | stream: and the /boot/grub/menu.lst kernel params? |
| 23:08.24 | stream | its lilo |
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| 23:08.37 | maddash | stream: /etc/lilo.conf, I think |
| 23:08.37 | stream | the kernel is booting |
| 23:08.47 | stream | but it get so far then dies |
| 23:08.49 | eeyore- | Neoteric: editing config files :-) |
| 23:08.57 | maddash | stream: yes, but your root could be mounted RO... |
| 23:08.59 | PingFloyd | stream: did you umount before the fsck? |
| 23:09.05 | stream | b/c evertything is read only |
| 23:09.15 | eeyore- | Neoteric: i think it's the available/ active/ symlinks and/or something else here and there |
| 23:09.38 | eeyore- | Neoteric: i don't think the actual syntax changed, just directory reorganization |
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| 23:10.05 | stream | yes sir i umounted before fsck |
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| 23:10.50 | eeyore- | stream: ext2/ext3? |
| 23:10.59 | stream | the root partition is ext2 |
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| 23:11.12 | eeyore- | stream: and? (what's not ext2?) |
| 23:11.22 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.26 | stream | everything but / is ext3 |
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| 23:11.45 | eeyore- | stream: was there any reason printed on console right around when / was mounted read-only? |
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| 23:12.44 | stream | no |
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| 23:13.11 | stream | first line i saw was cealing up ifupdown rm cannot remove /etc/network/run/ifstate: Readonly file system |
| 23:13.16 | stream | and everything after that is read only filesystem |
| 23:13.22 | piper69 | !iptables |
| 23:13.22 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 23:13.32 | Nameeater | hi, I have a problem with my printer, I've recently dist-upgraded to etch and now when I try and print anything I get: FaxLaser "Unable to open parallel port device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied" in the cups web management page, if I chmod /dev/lp0 to 666 it works but I know thats not a great idea, what could be going wrong? |
| 23:13.42 | eeyore- | stream: i'd boot from knoppix cd or some such and e2fsck -f the / partition |
| 23:14.28 | eeyore- | Nameeater: nothing wrong with /dev/lp0 = 666, don't be too paranoid |
| 23:15.01 | PingFloyd | Nameeater: you could always add your use it's group if you're worried |
| 23:15.01 | stream | will a rhel cd work? |
| 23:15.02 | stream | :( |
| 23:15.03 | stream | sorry |
| 23:15.03 | Nameeater | eeyore-, ok, but I have to chmod it everytime I restart the server which is a bit of a pain :) |
| 23:15.04 | eeyore- | (it's not like /dev/lp0 is a good "attack vector") |
| 23:15.11 | PingFloyd | s/use/user |
| 23:15.35 | Nameeater | PingFloyd: cups is running as root |
| 23:15.38 | eeyore- | Nameeater: then maybe make a note of what user/group own /dev/lp0 and change CUPS to run as that user, or, maybe tell udev what to use for /dev/lp0 ? |
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| 23:16.17 | eeyore- | Nameeater: does CUPS submit each job as the user? don't remember, if it does, then add the user to the printer's group ... check the group name again :-) |
| 23:17.07 | Nameeater | I'm not sure, but I log into the cups page (as root) and try and do a test page and I get that error |
| 23:17.16 | PingFloyd | it's just a permissions problems, if only every issue were as easy to solve :) |
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| 23:17.54 | Reiser_X | Gnea: |
| 23:17.55 | Reiser_X | Gnea: hi |
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| 23:18.26 | Nameeater | how can I tell what user cups is running as? |
| 23:18.39 | mfrisch | are there excessive loads on the mirrors? |
| 23:18.55 | Nameeater | actually nm, think I know that one |
| 23:19.48 | stream | wtf it still says read only |
| 23:19.53 | stream | i did a fsck from a boot cd |
| 23:19.57 | stream | and it still says readonly |
| 23:20.24 | mfrisch | stream: whats it say in fstab |
| 23:20.48 | stream | which line? |
| 23:21.09 | mfrisch | stream: what is readonly? |
| 23:21.09 | PingFloyd | for / obviously |
| 23:21.29 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.32 | eeyore- | mfrisch: /, he says his / is ext2 and "all of a sudden" it went to r/o |
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| 23:21.59 | eeyore- | stream: did you "e2fsck -f /dev/hda4" ? |
| 23:22.01 | SmilinBob | i have a question |
| 23:22.03 | stream | yes |
| 23:22.06 | stream | eeyore- it comes clean |
| 23:22.08 | SmilinBob | about user permissions |
| 23:22.09 | eeyore- | stream: and it found no error? |
| 23:22.22 | mfrisch | are there excessive loads on the mirrors? I'm getting 30kbps on us.ftp |
| 23:22.30 | SmilinBob | is there a way to let a non root user have root permissions? |
| 23:22.30 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.30 | Nameeater | I would have thought it would print pages sent from root no matter what the permissions are, but it didnt FaxLaser-43 Test Page root 18k Unknown stopped Reprint Job Cancel Job Move Job |
| 23:22.33 | eeyore- | stream: are you booting with "quiet" option? |
| 23:22.36 | stream | no |
| 23:22.41 | Nameeater | SmilinBob: sudo |
| 23:22.42 | PingFloyd | SmilinBob: why would you want to? |
| 23:22.46 | eeyore- | stream: and yet there's no clue to why it's r/o? |
| 23:22.59 | eeyore- | stream: boot into single-user mode then :-) |
| 23:23.07 | stream | heh |
| 23:23.32 | stream | hmm |
| 23:23.34 | SmilinBob | i am trying to give my user "bob" permission to write to \var\www\ |
| 23:23.40 | SmilinBob | but i can't figure it out |
| 23:23.41 | stream | i tried mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda4 |
| 23:23.42 | stream | it said: |
| 23:23.50 | stream | cant create lock file /etc/mtab~155: Read only File system |
| 23:23.58 | PingFloyd | SmilinBob: add him to a necessary group |
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| 23:24.07 | mfrisch | stream: but can you write to it |
| 23:24.12 | gcbirzan | mount -n |
| 23:24.21 | gcbirzan | I think. man mount |
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| 23:24.39 | eeyore- | stream: boot into runlevel 1 |
| 23:25.07 | PingFloyd | SmilinBob: tackling from a group standpoint would be the best way |
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| 23:25.25 | SmilinBob | i'm not sure how to do that |
| 23:25.48 | PingFloyd | see what the group is for you need to give "bob" access to |
| 23:26.15 | SmilinBob | huh? |
| 23:26.30 | Nameeater | PingFloyd: odds are its root |
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| 23:26.46 | SmilinBob | well i only have 2 users |
| 23:26.50 | SmilinBob | root and bob |
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| 23:28.16 | PingFloyd | SmilinBob: one way is to use sudo, another way is to set the group ownership on what it is that bob needs access to, and add bob to that group |
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| 23:30.51 | SmilinBob | i think the group thing would work better |
| 23:30.53 | maddash | !whois maddash |
| 23:31.01 | maddash | yay. |
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| 23:31.05 | SmilinBob | but how do i find what group i need to add bob to? |
| 23:31.12 | maddash | karsten: I stole your coolness. :P |
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| 23:31.40 | eeyore- | SmilinBob: run everything as root, then it'll be "just like xp" :-) |
| 23:32.11 | PingFloyd | SmilinBob: it's up to you, the admin, how you want to define groups |
| 23:32.21 | SmilinBob | here's what i am trying to accomplish: |
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| 23:32.35 | SmilinBob | i have my linux box hosting my webpage |
| 23:32.55 | SmilinBob | which has nothing at the moment cause i can't transfer anything onto it from my xp pc |
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| 23:32.59 | karsten | maddash: No. |
| 23:33.07 | karsten | maddash: ... you fell victim to my honeypot. |
| 23:33.18 | SmilinBob | and i can't transfer it cause my user doesn't have permissions to write to the web directory |
| 23:33.28 | adioe3 | Can I use my computer (localhost) as an incoming/outgoing mail server (without a registered web domain) ? |
| 23:33.43 | maddash | karsten: huh??? |
| 23:33.43 | karsten | SmilinBob: man sudo |
| 23:33.51 | karsten | maddash: See. |
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| 23:34.04 | karsten | maddash: ... if you'd *truly* stolen my coolness, you wouldn't be confused right now. |
| 23:34.07 | maddash | karsten: gah. your coolness is a subset of your cloak. :P |
| 23:34.15 | Guerin | adioe3: yes and no |
| 23:34.16 | SmilinBob | but how would that work if i am accessing my linux box remotly from my xp pc? |
| 23:34.16 | stream | if i use lilo now for debian, how can i easily switch to grub? |
| 23:34.27 | karsten | SmilinBob: Depends on the protocol |
| 23:34.30 | karsten | stream: Yes. |
| 23:34.32 | Guerin | adioe3: you need a name of some sort which can accomodate a MX record |
| 23:34.41 | karsten | stream: aptitude install grub lilo_ |
| 23:34.49 | karsten | stream: the '_' purges lilo. |
| 23:34.57 | adioe3 | Guerin: and what do I need to do to get an MX record? |
| 23:34.58 | Guerin | adioe3: once you have that, you're golden, although depending on your ISP you may have trouble getting mail to anyone |
| 23:35.19 | stream | it will migrate my config file? |
| 23:35.26 | Guerin | adioe3: through a dns host |
| 23:35.48 | joyegg | dns? |
| 23:35.53 | Guerin | adioe3: the thing is to specify dns settings you typically need to won a domain name |
| 23:35.57 | jetscreamer | dns server |
| 23:36.04 | adioe3 | Guerin: I think my ISP doesn't blacklist so it should work fine... so basically I need a ... domain ??? |
| 23:36.15 | Guerin | not a dns server; you'll haver to be able to have an authoritative MX |
| 23:36.30 | adioe3 | I got that. |
| 23:36.44 | Guerin | adioe3: that's easiest, yeah. You might be able to host MX on dyndns or some other free provider, i dunno |
| 23:37.01 | adioe3 | but the MX record would have to be on the ISP's nameserver, right? |
| 23:37.06 | Guerin | a $12/year .net from gandi.net gives you what you need |
| 23:37.10 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 23:37.17 | Guerin | make that €12 |
| 23:38.16 | karsten | adioe3: Um, there's no specific need to park an MX anywhere. If you control DNS you can put it where you want. I'd take pains _not_ to put it in generally-blocked space (eg: Spamhaus XBL / ZenBL, DynIP ranges, etc.). |
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| 23:40.38 | Guerin | adioe3: the MX record would be authoritative on whatever nameserver the name's owner decides it should be on. |
| 23:41.41 | adioe3 | Guerin: cool. I think I got it. thanks. |
| 23:41.47 | Guerin | adioe3: so if you buy foo.com, you can host your own named and make it authoritative for foo.com; if the registrar you bought it from procides dns hosting (most do) then you can have their nameserver be authoritative. Or you can use a free service like granitecanyon |
| 23:41.50 | stream | when i do apt-get install i keep getting: 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 23:41.58 | Guerin | stream: change mirrors |
| 23:42.25 | daxxar | Can anyone recommend a ftp-server for multiple users and high throughput? (gbit) |
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| 23:42.30 | stew | stream: try a different mirror |
| 23:42.31 | blondie | !ftp |
| 23:42.31 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 23:42.54 | Guerin | daxxar: if vsftpd is good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for you. |
| 23:42.56 | stew | daxxar: pure-ftpd and vsftpd seem to be the popular ones these days |
| 23:42.59 | adioe3 | Guerin: you got some dns reading material around? |
| 23:43.00 | daxxar | I care little for the authentication, but if it supports encryption, that's better. :-) |
| 23:43.15 | Guerin | adioe3: there's a huge amount of it on tldp |
| 23:43.27 | daxxar | Ah, vsftpd seems to support encryption. Thanks. :-) |
| 23:43.35 | adioe3 | Guerin: k. thx |
| 23:43.41 | Guerin | lol |
| 23:43.56 | stew | does the ftp protocol support encyption? |
| 23:44.02 | Guerin | nope |
| 23:44.10 | Guerin | it's done at layer level |
| 23:44.17 | Guerin | err, transport layer level |
| 23:44.26 | stew | oh, wrap it all around ssl |
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| 23:44.54 | amphi | maddash: you rang? |
| 23:44.58 | Scrippie | sup? |
| 23:44.58 | Jupuer | Hi, wich ftp command line client can I use with ssl support? or wich ftp program? |
| 23:45.05 | Guerin | Jupuer: lftp |
| 23:45.15 | piper69 | just a question is the iptables in http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/page/author.htm the same as the one on apt ? |
| 23:45.35 | Jupuer | thanks |
| 23:45.40 | piper69 | !dpkg iptables |
| 23:45.46 | Guerin | piper69: eh? |
| 23:45.56 | Guerin | piper69: you mean `is there more than one iptables'? |
| 23:46.01 | quique- | !dpkg iptables |
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| 23:46.16 | Guerin | quique-: you thought since it didn't work for him it might for you? |
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| 23:46.36 | piper69 | Guerin: yes i am asking that question |
| 23:46.44 | Guerin | piper69: check the changelogs |
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| 23:46.57 | piper69 | Guerin: where |
| 23:47.14 | Guerin | piper69: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:48.07 | adamt | were did john the ripper go in etch? |
| 23:48.23 | adamt | the package exist in stable, but not in etch and sid.. |
| 23:48.24 | Guerin | do you mean `where'? |
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| 23:48.35 | stew | !info john sid |
| 23:48.38 | Guerin | !why is john not in testing? |
| 23:48.38 | dpkg | john is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=john |
| 23:48.41 | dpkg | john: (active password cracking tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6-40 (sid), Packaged size: 540 kB, Installed size: 1072 kB |
| 23:48.41 | piper69 | Guerin: why are you confusing me :) |
| 23:48.41 | stew | adamt: its in sid, just not testing |
| 23:48.43 | Scrippie | investigating |
| 23:48.56 | Guerin | piper69: i'm not. |
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| 23:49.05 | maddash | amphi! |
| 23:49.12 | amphi | maddash: ? |
| 23:49.19 | robin_sz | oh feck |
| 23:49.25 | robin_sz | oi, no tongues you two |
| 23:49.37 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:49.38 | piper69 | Guerin: is the is an apt for iptables, i should do apt-cache search iptables right |
| 23:49.48 | amphi | robin_sz: easy now... |
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| 23:49.54 | Guerin | piper69: sure, but that won't tell you who its main author was. |
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| 23:50.08 | adamt | :-( |
| 23:50.16 | Guerin | piper69: reading the changelog will, and the changelog lives on packages.debian.org (or in the source packag) |
| 23:50.28 | adamt | ohh well, that's life. Thank you. |
| 23:50.28 | Guerin | adamt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 23:51.30 | piper69 | Guerin: i can't find the change log |
| 23:51.39 | Guerin | piper69: try harder |
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| 23:52.19 | Guerin | piper69: perhaps going to packages.debian.org/iptables would be a start |
| 23:53.01 | piper69 | !changelog |
| 23:53.01 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed, with $ dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|gzip -d|less; if you have a non-installed .deb, or on http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. |
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| 23:53.27 | piper69 | !changelog iptables |
| 23:53.31 | Guerin | piper69: see also the `copyright' file |
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| 23:55.46 | piper69 | iptables 1.2.11-10 is for 2.4 kernel is there is one for 2.6 |
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| 23:56.14 | Harley^ | Howdy ! :) alsaconf restore does not seem to work for me when I put it in /etc/rc.local as I still have to run alsaconf to get sound working again after a cold boot. Is there some way where I can keep the alsa settings and have them automatically load after a cold boot ? |
| 23:56.25 | stew | piper69: when they say its for a 2.4 kernel, they mean 2.4 or later |
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| 23:57.25 | piper69 | stew: oh okay thank for clearing that up |
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