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| 00:10.44 | maxdoubt | is there a utility to read/write CMOS, other than nvram? |
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| 00:14.16 | rhalff | how can i get postgresql 8.1 to work in etch ? |
| 00:14.20 | eldowan | maxdoubt: I can only find PW resets.. |
| 00:14.25 | eldowan | Just started installing etch onto a PIII - 450. Now I really marvel at how much faster my 933's are, not to mention the 4200+ at the house... :D |
| 00:14.38 | rhalff | init.d script just does nothing at all, no messages anywhere |
| 00:14.58 | Reiser_X | i need to install Lexmark Printer in Debian |
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| 00:15.12 | Reiser_X | laser printer |
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| 00:15.56 | maxdoubt | eldowan: yeah, there seems to be a handful of tools for that, i'm actually trying to turn on pxeboot |
| 00:15.59 | rhalff | is there a configuration tool for postgresql 8.1 ? dpkg-reconfigure anything postgresql related doesn't do much either |
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| 00:18.57 | eldowan | maxdoubt: depending on the BIOS, you might find windows utilities to do it... |
| 00:21.12 | christiane | OT: What happened to www.google.de? |
| 00:21.28 | christiane | canonical name = web1.goneo.de |
| 00:21.39 | christiane | Address: 82.100.220.170 |
| 00:21.40 | christiane | ??? |
| 00:23.32 | karsten | christiane: Depends on where you hit it from. |
| 00:23.52 | karsten | christiane: Here (SF Bay Area): www.google.de is an alias for www.google.com. |
| 00:24.41 | azeem | the domain got taken over though |
| 00:25.09 | christiane | karsten: It's on two of four ckecked nameservers here (in .de) |
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| 00:26.16 | madd_matt | I have two physical interfaces in my computer. eth1 is connected to the network |
| 00:26.40 | hardcoffee | hi, i need pluging flash for mozilla someone kwon the name of the paquet i need ??? |
| 00:26.43 | madd_matt | eth0 is connected via crossover cable to another machine. I'd like to be able to bridge the connections so the machine attached to eth0 sees the rest of the network |
| 00:26.46 | hardcoffee | matt i will hlp u |
| 00:27.37 | hardcoffee | i read your problem =) |
| 00:27.37 | eldowan | The PCI bus on a PIII 450 with a 10/100 nic should be enough to stream 320k/s, correct? |
| 00:27.49 | stew | madd_matt: do you relly mean bridge? or would a routed connection be ok? |
| 00:27.59 | eldowan | hardcoffee: apt-cache search flash | grep mozilla works on my machine. |
| 00:28.04 | karsten | christiane: Which nameservers. I can query specified ones if given. Otherwise, ask Google. |
| 00:28.11 | madd_matt | stew, yes, i'd like to bridge them. A routed connection would be less optimal. |
| 00:28.12 | h3xis | eldowan, is that the coppermine? |
| 00:28.17 | karsten | madd_matt: NAT |
| 00:28.34 | madd_matt | karsten, NAT sucks :P |
| 00:28.57 | stew | madd_matt: install bridge-utils and read the docs |
| 00:29.09 | karsten | madd_matt: ... NAT, or routing. You need to specify forwarding packets on the intermediate host. |
| 00:29.10 | eldowan | h3xis: katmai |
| 00:29.25 | h3xis | eldowan, oh okay. just curious. i have a p3 450 as well |
| 00:29.28 | stew | karsten: he doesn't want it to be routed |
| 00:29.33 | madd_matt | stew, perfect, thanks. |
| 00:29.37 | hardcoffee | heu on fait comment pour mettre le nidevant ? |
| 00:29.40 | hardcoffee | nick |
| 00:29.59 | hardcoffee | eldowan il trouve aucun paquet |
| 00:30.00 | stew | madd_matt: (i haven't done it in a while, i'm not sure that the package is documented well, just hoping, /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian is the place to start) |
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| 00:30.10 | stew | hardcoffee: english only in here, please |
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| 00:30.58 | eldowan | hardcoffee: Je ne parle pas français. en anglais svp |
| 00:31.18 | hardcoffee | well debian still not found this paquet |
| 00:31.23 | hardcoffee | no flash :/ |
| 00:31.26 | stew | eldowan: if its a 33mhz, 32 bit bus, i'd think that the theoretical limit of the bus would be 33*4 MB/s |
| 00:31.39 | madd_matt | stew, its got fine documentation, i've already figured out how to do what i need. Thanks for pointing me to the readme file :) |
| 00:31.47 | stew | madd_matt: you're welcome |
| 00:32.04 | christiane | karsten: 195.50.140.114, 195.50.140.252 (both my ISP) and 217.237.149.205. |
| 00:32.27 | eldowan | stew: I'm in the etch installer now, is there a way throught the busy box to view any pcibus specific info, like the bit? I'm not sure if it is 16 or 32 bit, though I assume 32 as it has an agp slot. |
| 00:32.38 | christiane | karsten: The third responds correct now. |
| 00:32.50 | eldowan | hardcoffee: sarge, etch? |
| 00:32.58 | stew | eldowan: its 32 if its pci |
| 00:33.11 | eldowan | stew: Much appreciated. |
| 00:33.14 | stew | in fact isa is 32, isn't it? |
| 00:33.15 | hardcoffee | etch |
| 00:33.26 | karsten | christiane: Note that DNS *is* a _distributed_ database, subject to caching and forwarding. |
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| 00:33.50 | rahul | stew: I think ISA is 16. VLB might have been 32. |
| 00:33.53 | eldowan | hardcoffee: search for flashplayer-mozilla |
| 00:33.59 | rahul | stew: actually, I think ISA is 8/16 |
| 00:34.03 | piper69 | see you all later |
| 00:34.05 | rahul | stew: PCI is 32/64 |
| 00:34.51 | stoned | In sadder news, the man who held Guiness World Record for most drugs ever done by a human being, died today. He was attacked by a pack of wild dogs he thought he saw. |
| 00:35.04 | hardcoffee | swf-pluging is the name for flash mozilla player =) |
| 00:35.09 | Guerin | stoned: mick jagger is dead? |
| 00:35.14 | stoned | lol |
| 00:35.18 | eldowan | hardcoffee: I think so. |
| 00:35.28 | Guerin | stoned: or do you mean nick cave? |
| 00:35.36 | stoned | nick cave is god |
| 00:35.43 | stoned | Red right hand! |
| 00:35.44 | stoned | DUN! |
| 00:35.48 | eldowan | hardcoffee: The Flash Player lets you experience animation and entertainment in your Mozilla web browser. |
| 00:35.52 | Guerin | just because he thinks he's god don't make it so |
| 00:36.09 | Guerin | but he's certainly got enough experience of being up close and personal |
| 00:36.14 | stoned | ... He was attacked by a pack of wild dogs he thought he saw. |
| 00:36.15 | stoned | Guerin, that |
| 00:36.18 | stoned | ^^ |
| 00:36.20 | rahul | eldowan: or just slows down your browser till it crashes |
| 00:36.35 | eldowan | rahul: I don't use mozilla :D |
| 00:36.37 | stoned | it was a joke you either didn't get or your screwed up :( |
| 00:36.52 | Guerin | stoned: the middle one |
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| 00:38.20 | christiane | Is there a /dev device to directly access a partittion on a loop or dm device? (something like /dev/....../loop/0/2) |
| 00:38.35 | stew | christiane: /dev/loop0 |
| 00:38.50 | stew | christiane: dm devices would be /dev/mapper/foo |
| 00:38.55 | christiane | stew: That's the whole device, I need a partition |
| 00:39.11 | rahul | or /dev/loop/0 |
| 00:39.41 | christiane | stew: I know I could specify an -o offset ... but is there an easier way? |
| 00:39.45 | stew | christiane: then no. but if you have a partitioned loopback, you can mount the individual pieces with mount -o offset= iirc |
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| 00:41.08 | eldowan | hmm. I'm planning on using the 450 I'm loading as a fileserver for my media, about 90% is music(ogg, flac, mp3). Since I'm using debian as both my current workstation, and the server I'm installing, I don't really need samba, I think. Would the channel suggest using a mount over ssh, or using NFS, or something else to trasnparently mount the server share to my local machine? |
| 00:41.32 | scarfy | hi, my debian system seems to hang during boot at the start of mysqld. how do i skip that at boot so i can get to a shell and sort that out after its booted? |
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| 00:42.13 | rahul | eldowan: maybe even a stream |
| 00:42.18 | tijn_ | how do i see the size of a complete dir? |
| 00:42.28 | rahul | tijn_: man du |
| 00:42.46 | rahul | scarfy: ctrl-c often works |
| 00:42.48 | karsten | christiane: Um, the loopback device is its own partition. |
| 00:43.14 | karsten | christiane: ... usually specified by offset if you've got a partitioned loopback file. Or look at how you've got losetup set. |
| 00:43.18 | scarfy | rahul, tried that... |
| 00:43.18 | tuvwx | scarfy, you can disable mysql on boot using update-rc.d too |
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| 00:43.28 | twobitsp1ite | hello again |
| 00:43.33 | karsten | scarfy: Set it later in the boot process, or disable w/ update-rc.d |
| 00:43.46 | rahul | eldowan: NFS would work cleanly, but maybe not be the most efficient option |
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| 00:44.02 | rahul | eldowan: ssh would be rather inefficient and kludgey |
| 00:44.03 | scarfy | How do i do that? most of all since i can't even boot up to change anything in the first place |
| 00:44.06 | tijn_ | rahul: thnx m8 :) |
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| 00:44.37 | scarfy | some kernel boot argument in grub? |
| 00:44.39 | tijn_ | du -ah /dir |
| 00:44.41 | tijn_ | :) |
| 00:44.46 | tuvwx | scarfy, boot to runlevel 1 (single user) |
| 00:45.09 | scarfy | tuvwx, how? |
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| 00:45.42 | rahul | heh :\ |
| 00:45.44 | tuvwx | scarfy, if you don't have a 'single' entry in grub's menu, just append 'single' to the kernel line |
| 00:45.58 | karsten | eldowan: ... that said: NFS. hard,nointr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 |
| 00:46.01 | eldowan | rahul: I thought of just streaming, but I want this to be where I can rip new cd's to and such. I've never used NFS, and I have had good experience with ssh mounts, though not with a machine with less than 1000Mhz. Is there anything else you would recomend.? |
| 00:46.07 | tuvwx | scarfy, hit e on the kernel you want to boot in grub's menu, and then another 'e' on the kernel line |
| 00:46.11 | karsten | eldowan: ... and read-only unless desperately needed otherwise. |
| 00:46.19 | scarfy | tuvwx, ah i don't.. ah ok thanks gonna try that then. thanks alot :D |
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| 00:46.26 | rahul | if it's just a media partition, read-write shouldn't be a big deal |
| 00:46.35 | karsten | rahul: Simplifies some stuff. |
| 00:46.38 | eldowan | karsten: why readonly? I've no experience with NFS. |
| 00:46.41 | eldowan | n/m |
| 00:46.46 | karsten | rahul: .. and they don't call it no f*cking security for nothing. |
| 00:46.52 | rahul | heh |
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| 00:46.56 | karsten | rahul: ... other than "no security" nothing. |
| 00:46.57 | tuvwx | scarfy, and then a 'b' to actually boot that kernel after editing it |
| 00:47.07 | rahul | yeah, but it's just a media partition :) |
| 00:47.21 | scarfy | tuvwx, thanks |
| 00:47.22 | karsten | eldowan: Principle of least privilege. Do you _need_ write access to that partition? |
| 00:47.23 | eldowan | karsten: rahul: I thought nfs4 had better security... Would you guys recommend NFS for read-only access, and mabye scp or sftp for writing operations? |
| 00:47.26 | rahul | as long as he's behind a decent firewall, he'll be ok |
| 00:47.27 | tuvwx | scarfy, np |
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| 00:47.36 | karsten | eldowan: Yeah. |
| 00:47.48 | karsten | eldowan: Rip stuff locally. SCP it to the NFS server. Play back over NFS. |
| 00:47.54 | rahul | if you're just going to stream, put a simple http server on it |
| 00:47.55 | Guerin | eldowan: sshfs! |
| 00:48.00 | Guerin | (if you can get it working) |
| 00:48.07 | eldowan | Guerin: shfs is easier, |
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| 00:48.15 | eldowan | Guerin: I never got sshfs working. |
| 00:48.26 | Guerin | eldowan: i did, on one box ... but not on another. |
| 00:48.32 | Guerin | Same config, files, etc. |
| 00:48.35 | karsten | eldowan: sshfs is going to have a lot of overhead for just media sharing. |
| 00:48.39 | eldowan | karsten: should NFS be easy enough to setup, or is it one of the things that the manual is absolutely required to do? |
| 00:48.49 | karsten | scarfy: ... mostly CPU (encrypt/compress). |
| 00:48.50 | rahul | I only recommended NFS for if he wanted to make it writable |
| 00:48.56 | twobitsp1ite | what's the command to listen to the console messages, a la xconsole...? |
| 00:49.06 | tuvwx | eldowan, man exports should do |
| 00:49.11 | eldowan | karsten: right now I've got it setup on another box for a secure WAN link for a few delicate files(that *require* r/w access) |
| 00:49.12 | scarfy | karsten, what is? |
| 00:49.15 | justin | sshfs works fine for writing too, as long as they aren't random writes |
| 00:49.19 | karsten | eldowan: install client and server, specify your exports file. You can either permanently mount it (easier to set up) or use autofs (easier to access). |
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| 00:49.30 | karsten | scarfy: ssh (encrypt/compress). |
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| 00:50.06 | karsten | scarfy: NFS has a very small fraction of the load. For a single server and client not an issue, but as you scale out NFS does better. |
| 00:50.12 | eldowan | karsten: this box is going to be used for between 2-4 simul connections. Would you recommend autofs for long term usability? |
| 00:50.13 | scarfy | karsten: what does ssh have to do with my mysql deamon? |
| 00:50.39 | scarfy | karsten, ah i'm not the guy with the nfs problem |
| 00:50.48 | karsten | scarfy: My confusion. |
| 00:50.53 | scarfy | hehe |
| 00:50.55 | twobitsp1ite | i.e. xconsole looks like crap and I want to use aterm to display console messages |
| 00:51.05 | scarfy | karsten, is ok |
| 00:51.09 | karsten | twobitsp1ite: xrootconsole. |
| 00:52.19 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: Eterm -g 91x15+673+670 -t logs --pipe-name /dev/xconsole -q |
| 00:52.23 | rahul | is what I use |
| 00:52.47 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: ahhh... thanks, however, looks like xrootconsole might do the trick |
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| 00:52.50 | twobitsp1ite | karsten: thanks :) |
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| 00:53.07 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: well, you can translate that idea to whatever term you want |
| 00:53.21 | rahul | prw-r----- 1 root adm 0 Jan 22 19:53 /dev/xconsole |
| 00:53.22 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: right, but again, xrootconsole does all I need :) |
| 00:53.27 | twobitsp1ite | oh |
| 00:53.30 | rahul | fair enough :) |
| 00:53.54 | karsten | twobitsp1ite: NP |
| 00:54.26 | Re1gn | i was wondering how do i get to the apache config file.. |
| 00:55.03 | abrotman | what happened to yours ? |
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| 00:57.51 | eldowan | karsten: this box is going to be used for between 2-4 simul connections. Would you recommend autofs for long term usability? |
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| 00:58.33 | dirkson | How do I tell apt-get NOT to use the stupid CDrom? (And why in the world is it configured to??) |
| 00:58.45 | karsten | eldowan: I really don't know how to answer that. |
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| 00:59.10 | amphi | dirkson: comment out the cd lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:59.18 | karsten | eldowan: Maybe. |
| 00:59.20 | stew | dirkson: editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; remove or comment out the cdrom lines and then run "apt-get update" |
| 00:59.34 | karsten | eldowan: ... on the other hand: maybe not. |
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| 00:59.35 | dirkson | Yay! Thankee |
| 00:59.46 | eldowan | karsten: well then. that clears things up :D |
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| 01:01.34 | eldowan | hmm. Now I wonder if it might be better just to use a readonly smb share on the server. Or maybe NFS. hmmm. |
| 01:02.20 | karsten | eldowan: autofs means never having to mount stuff manaully. |
| 01:02.25 | karsten | eldowan: ... unless it breaks. |
| 01:02.39 | Guerin | s/unless/except when/ |
| 01:02.53 | karsten | Guerin: Party pooper! |
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| 01:03.37 | eldowan | karsten: is this different than using fstab with the auto option? |
| 01:03.44 | eldowan | karsten: autofs, i mean |
| 01:03.46 | karsten | eldowan: yes,. |
| 01:03.51 | karsten | eldowan: erm. |
| 01:04.20 | karsten | eldowan: Not sure. |
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| 01:04.21 | Harley^ | I seem to have to run alsaconf everytime I fresh boot my Debian PC. alsactl restore does not seem to work for me when I put it in /etc/rc.local and cold boot the PC. I have to rerun alsaconf over again to get sound working again. Is there a better place to put the "alsactl restore" than as the second last line in /etc/rc.local above the exit 0 line to have sound available when I boot up the PC rather than running alsaconf ? |
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| 01:04.33 | eldowan | karsten: I'm using an older mobo, so no hotplug, not to mention IDE drives. The only time I plan on mounting anything is upon a reboot. (less USB and CDROM) |
| 01:04.58 | Guerin | Harley^: what sound card? |
| 01:05.20 | Harley^ | Guerin: SB Live |
| 01:05.31 | Caelum | why would I have no sound on youtube from firefox? do I need the esd wrapper? |
| 01:05.32 | Guerin | Harley^: is that emu10k1? |
| 01:05.36 | Harley^ | Yes |
| 01:05.47 | Guerin | Caelum: ask macdobedia why flash is so shit |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | is that the linux-sound-base thingie ? |
| 01:05.55 | karsten | eldowan: The advantage of autofs WRT NFS is that if you're not accessing the filesystem, it umounts (after a timeout, 600s by default). And if the server pukes when it's not mounted, you don't lose any sleep. |
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| 01:06.02 | Guerin | Harley^: echo snd-emu10k1 >> /etc/modules && reboot |
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| 01:06.08 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | Caelum: either you need snd-oss-pcm or something else is using it |
| 01:06.16 | eldowan | karsten: That sounds nice... |
| 01:06.17 | karsten | eldowan: NFS w/ flaky servers more or less exactly sucks. |
| 01:06.26 | Guerin | Harley^: echo -e \nsnd-emu10k1\n >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 01:06.39 | Keith_S | How do i jail users into there home dirs, when they are using ssh to conenct via an ftp client ? |
| 01:06.40 | Guerin | you might need some quotes arounf that too |
| 01:06.42 | Keith_S | abrotman: hi! |
| 01:06.43 | justin | Caelum: are you using that new and allegedly improved flash 9 ? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | Keith_S: hi |
| 01:06.52 | eldowan | karsten: I've not used this HW before, it is a hand me down |
| 01:07.02 | karsten | Keith_S: union mounts |
| 01:07.05 | abrotman | Keith_S: when they're doing .. what ? |
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| 01:07.11 | karsten | Keith_S: ... or something like that. |
| 01:07.13 | Guerin | Keith_S: you don't. Use an FTP client which supports chrooting at protocol level, not at ssh/filesysterm level |
| 01:07.16 | stew | Keith_S: ssh to connect via an ftp client?!? |
| 01:07.23 | Guerin | stew: sftp |
| 01:07.33 | Keith_S | yeah.. |
| 01:07.37 | Guerin | !tell Keith_S about chroot ssh |
| 01:07.37 | Keith_S | on port 22 |
| 01:07.38 | Harley^ | Guerin: Should I remove the alsactl restore line from the /etc/rc.local file ? |
| 01:07.44 | stew | Keith_S: use the scponly package |
| 01:07.47 | Guerin | Keith_S: read that to see why your plan is stupid |
| 01:07.49 | abrotman | Keith_S: you mean SFTP i presume ... |
| 01:07.57 | Guerin | Harley^: should happen automatically |
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| 01:08.38 | Guerin | Harley^: i mean, it shoudl run alsactl restore on boot anyway, so yes, you can remove it |
| 01:08.43 | Keith_S | hum no i mean, ssh via an ftp client like filezilla. |
| 01:09.00 | Guerin | Keith_S: filezilla doesn't use ssh, does it? |
| 01:09.07 | Keith_S | stew scponly ? |
| 01:09.16 | stew | Keith_S: use scponly, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/scponly/* and use the provided setup_chroot script to add users |
| 01:09.19 | Keith_S | Guerin: its on port 22 and it says ssh2 |
| 01:09.32 | Harley^ | I see. OK.. gonna give it a shot. :) Here goes... bbiab |
| 01:09.37 | Guerin | Keith_S: ok. Then it can't be done, realistically. |
| 01:09.38 | karsten | Keith_S: ... bind mounts, my bad. |
| 01:09.53 | stew | Keith_S: it can be done. don't listen to Guerin |
| 01:09.54 | Guerin | Keith_S: read the chroot ssh link I gave you |
| 01:10.08 | Keith_S | Guerin: i know about bind mounts. |
| 01:10.17 | Keith_S | shit sorry ment karsten |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | well anything *can* be done, but not with a standard shell for that user |
| 01:10.40 | stew | Guerin: right, which is why i'm pointng to scponly that does exactly what he is asking for |
| 01:10.44 | Guerin | if your users need both ssh and sftp access, you're in for a world of hurt |
| 01:10.51 | xored | bye bye google.de ? |
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| 01:11.15 | Guerin | stew: mm, that's not quite what he was after, but nevertheless. |
| 01:11.42 | Guerin | it's very probable that i'm misunderestimating |
| 01:11.49 | Caelum | justin: apparently... |
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| 01:12.34 | stew | Keith_S: do your users need shell access or just to be able to transfer files? |
| 01:12.52 | Keith_S | dont need shell access this is just for ftp for web hosting. |
| 01:13.00 | Keith_S | so they can upload sites. |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | ok, scponly or rsh is the plan, then |
| 01:13.42 | stew | (rssh) :) |
| 01:13.52 | Guerin | bah, really? |
| 01:14.03 | stew | rsh would be the non secure ssh |
| 01:14.07 | PingFloyd | isn't rsh inherently insecure? |
| 01:14.15 | Guerin | oh, right, so it would |
| 01:14.20 | Guerin | from way back in the day |
| 01:14.21 | rahul | PingFloyd: as inherently insecure as anything else you might do |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | PingFloyd: just as secure as telnet! |
| 01:14.38 | rahul | you can set it up to be secure or not. |
| 01:14.59 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:16.28 | Guerin | heh, i came across this quote from Benazir Bhutto while writing my paper on the Taliban: `A ship in a port is safe, but that's not what ships are for. |
| 01:16.38 | stew | heh |
| 01:16.51 | Guerin | ' |
| 01:16.54 | rahul | nice. |
| 01:16.55 | Caelum | ahh, I couldn't get sound from flash because of esd |
| 01:17.01 | Caelum | why does gnome still use that POS |
| 01:17.07 | karsten | Guerin: Old, old saying. |
| 01:17.10 | rahul | because gnome is a POS |
| 01:17.13 | Caelum | heh |
| 01:17.14 | Guerin | Caelum: ... gnome ... POS ... |
| 01:17.37 | Guerin | karsten: hm, really. It seems old, just haven't heard it before. |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | Caelum: gnome and kde both decided that they needed their own crappy sound system .. they both suck .. they should both die |
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| 01:18.13 | Guerin | and neither has abandoned them |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | Caelum: in short .. kill ESD |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | Guerin: sadly ... |
| 01:18.26 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/34287.html |
| 01:18.31 | Guerin | which is the whole problem with both projects: they both think the sun shines out of their arseholes |
| 01:18.36 | karsten | Guerin: At least 1928, and I suspect from long before that. |
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| 01:18.44 | karsten | Guerin: "Black Sun" |
| 01:18.46 | Guerin | karsten: nice. Cheer. |
| 01:18.52 | Guerin | s |
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| 01:19.57 | Guerin | karsten: woo, that page made firefox segfault |
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| 01:20.30 | Guerin | probably libflash, I suppose |
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| 01:20.50 | karsten | Guerin: Possibly Grace Hopper. |
| 01:21.20 | nethenson | Caelum: kde will abandon arts :) |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | arts is worse than ESD if you can believe that ... |
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| 01:22.02 | nethenson | i can, i can |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | this is somewhat akin to a yugo being worse than a ford ... |
| 01:22.10 | rahul | heh |
| 01:22.12 | rahul | ford. |
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| 01:22.42 | nethenson | btw, with the 'frets on fire', i get distorted sound... any idea why? |
| 01:22.53 | Guerin | nethenson: wtf is `frets on fire'? |
| 01:23.03 | nc613 | amen to that |
| 01:23.08 | nethenson | a game, like 'Guitar hero', Guerin |
| 01:23.11 | RhastaW | it is awesome |
| 01:23.15 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:23.22 | RhastaW | you hold your keyboard as the guitar controller |
| 01:23.23 | Guerin | nethenson: make sure your levels aren't too high |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | most sound cards are best under about 75% |
| 01:23.54 | schoppa | hi |
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| 01:24.02 | Guerin | big noise is where you start to notice the difference between a good sound card and a shitty one |
| 01:24.07 | nethenson | Guerin: not it is like sound... (no sound for a few miliseconds)... sound again... |
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| 01:24.32 | Guerin | nethenson: might be a problem with latency caused by arts/etc |
| 01:24.39 | schoppa | anyone knows what's the matter with DNS solutions of google.de and google.com? |
| 01:24.53 | nethenson | schoppa: i am using simple alsa |
| 01:25.06 | nethenson | Guerin: I'm using simple alsa |
| 01:25.22 | Guerin | schoppa: why don't you google it? |
| 01:25.32 | nc613 | google is your friend |
| 01:25.39 | nethenson | btw, the word for sound..no sound..sound, is "faltering"? |
| 01:25.42 | Guerin | google.de. 1800 IN A 66.249.93.104 |
| 01:25.42 | Guerin | google.de. 1800 IN A 72.14.221.104 |
| 01:25.43 | Guerin | google.de. 1800 IN A 216.239.59.104 |
| 01:25.49 | Guerin | seems functional to me |
| 01:26.17 | nc613 | anyone come across and ISP based setup? like cpanel + billing integration with opensource software? |
| 01:26.22 | Guerin | nethenson: yeah, or you could say it's breaking up, or such |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | nc613: vi! |
| 01:27.02 | Guerin | abrotman: vi does integrated billing! |
| 01:27.06 | nethenson | ok, my english is not very good, so i have to say a lot of words for a simple concept :) |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | Guerin: free is free! |
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| 01:27.22 | Guerin | abrotman: heh |
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| 01:28.35 | stoned | I like the name Isoscelece |
| 01:28.43 | schoppa | Guerin: hmmm, same DNS Servers for google here, but getting a not the google start page. also see something strange in whois of google.de |
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| 01:28.50 | stoned | I think I might name my kid Isoscelece |
| 01:29.00 | stoned | its like the triangle with diff spellings |
| 01:29.08 | karsten | Guerin: Google resolve radically differently depending on where you are. Even the nationalized (or *ised) hosts. |
| 01:29.17 | Guerin | karsten: yes, i know |
| 01:29.28 | Guerin | karsten: but the point was that it was working for *me* |
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| 01:31.25 | DaveyB | How do I clear my print queue? |
| 01:31.40 | DaveyB | lprm doesn't work.. :/ |
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| 01:31.56 | karsten | DaveyB: sudo lprm - |
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| 01:32.12 | karsten | DaveyB: ... or try through CUPS: https://localhost:631/ |
| 01:32.19 | Bogus8 | how do you select the "other" man page? |
| 01:32.25 | schoppa | Gurin: check the whois for google.de. The domain is not owned by google any more. |
| 01:32.32 | Guerin | Bogus8: `other' from what? |
| 01:32.41 | Bogus8 | like passwd had the one about changing passwords but there is also password(5) or whatever about the passwd file |
| 01:32.54 | DaveyB | karsten, don't have CUPS or lprm installed, going to install the package now.. |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | Bogus8: man <number> <blah> |
| 01:33.13 | Bogus8 | ah |
| 01:33.18 | Bogus8 | I was putting the number after |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | Bogus8: IOW .. man man |
| 01:33.33 | Guerin | schoppa: Changed: 2004-10-27T10:45:06+02:00 |
| 01:33.33 | DaveyB | bugger it I am logging in as root |
| 01:33.41 | Bogus8 | I actually did man man but it was just as confusing as most other man pages ;) |
| 01:33.42 | DaveyB | not done that since the beginning of this box :) |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | Bogus8: info man! |
| 01:33.50 | karsten | DaveyB: Um, not necessary. |
| 01:34.01 | karsten | DaveyB: ... if you don't have CUPS installed it isn't managing your print queue. |
| 01:34.25 | Bogus8 | seems odd that they tell you man(num) but you have to type (num) man to get it ...silly I tell you |
| 01:34.56 | schoppa | Guerin: I see a Changed: 2007-01-23T02:28:16+01:00 for the Domain tonight |
| 01:35.49 | DaveyB | karsten, I have a printer in the top right of my screen with print jobs from root. I need to remove them, I guess I have to log into root but still not sure what to do to remove them :/ |
| 01:35.49 | schoppa | Guerin: not the owner, but the domain and google.de is redirected to a placeholder page here |
| 01:36.00 | Guerin | schoppa: yes, me too. But not for the owners. |
| 01:36.03 | Guerin | hm |
| 01:36.05 | Guerin | worksforme |
| 01:36.45 | Guerin | unless it's a very well-crafted gateway to a link farm .... with lots and lots of content |
| 01:36.45 | schoppa | Guerin: very, very strange. |
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| 01:37.07 | karsten | DaveyB: 'sudo lprm -' |
| 01:37.33 | DaveyB | karsten, the printers not known. :/ |
| 01:38.10 | nc613 | abrotman: thats nice for me, but not for the users... |
| 01:38.12 | schoppa | Guerin: google.de is redirected to placeholder page of goneo.de here |
| 01:38.14 | DaveyB | 'lprm: lp: unknown printer |
| 01:38.14 | DaveyB | ' |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | nc613: users? |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | nc613: no .. i don't think what you're looking for is available .. check at freshmeat |
| 01:38.47 | nc613 | abrotman: like for example, if you are hosting client websites..they need to login and manage their own emails, spam etc.. |
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| 01:39.03 | schoppa | Guerin: also if I use different DNS Servers, not the DNS Server of my dialin provider |
| 01:39.14 | nc613 | yeah abrotman: have done that, there are a number of systems out there, but nothing integrated.. |
| 01:39.24 | DaveyB | Fuck it I killed the services :) |
| 01:39.26 | Guerin | that may be a caching issue |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | nc613: i really haven't seen anything even remotely close |
| 01:39.42 | nc613 | vhcs and h-sphere were the best ones of the lot, but sadly not integrated |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | nc613: i've seen custom stuff .. but not F/OSS |
| 01:39.56 | nc613 | sure |
| 01:40.06 | karsten | DaveyB: Specify the printer with '-P' option. |
| 01:40.10 | nc613 | abrotman: custom as in inhouse dev or COTS? |
| 01:40.15 | Bogus8 | ok, maybe I'm doing this wrong... I'm trying to add my user to another user's group ... so I put `usermod -G 1000 Bogus` right? I wan tto add them to the first users group which is 1000 right? (if I read the man page right that's his gid) |
| 01:40.31 | stew | Bogus8: adduser username groupname |
| 01:40.34 | abrotman | nc613: inhouse |
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| 01:40.39 | nc613 | sure |
| 01:40.40 | DaveyB | karsten, ahh cool. Thanks |
| 01:41.13 | dan2 | anybody know of a good sql editor |
| 01:41.14 | nc613 | I was interested in people with ISP experience and whether they were willing to share. |
| 01:41.16 | Bogus8 | stew: that was my original try but I didn't relize the group was 1000 and not the same as his user name.. so I got sidetracked trying other things and found usermod and it seemed better ;) |
| 01:41.18 | dan2 | helps me visually build the tables |
| 01:41.24 | nc613 | dan2: use the mysql one |
| 01:41.31 | dan2 | what's it called? |
| 01:41.49 | nc613 | dan2: mysql query analyser/builder or something? |
| 01:41.56 | nc613 | check their site |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | tora |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | !info tora sarge |
| 01:42.16 | nc613 | does this server support SSL? |
| 01:42.33 | dpkg | tora: (A graphical toolkit for database developers and administrators), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.16-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3427 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:42.55 | nc613 | nice |
| 01:43.01 | nc613 | !info porn |
| 01:43.13 | nc613 | <dpkg> Package 'porn' does not exist. awww :/ |
| 01:43.21 | eldowan | nc613: pr0n |
| 01:43.26 | rahul | !porn-get |
| 01:43.26 | dpkg | porn-get is, like, at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 01:43.27 | nc613 | ah ok |
| 01:43.33 | nc613 | hahaha |
| 01:43.33 | nc613 | cool |
| 01:43.44 | nc613 | so no ISP experience up in here? |
| 01:44.00 | rahul | we pay people to run our ISPs |
| 01:44.06 | nc613 | yeah I know... |
| 01:44.09 | nc613 | I do too |
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| 01:44.23 | rahul | anyone who runs their own won't be interested in setting one up for you for free |
| 01:44.45 | rahul | a joint venture, on the other hand, might interest them |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | nc613: email the debian-isp mailing list |
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| 01:44.59 | nc613 | well I guess thats true but I don't need them to set it up, just share experience with different OSS. |
| 01:45.08 | nc613 | thanks abrotman. will do |
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| 01:46.03 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 01:46.08 | mystic_touch | dpkg sound |
| 01:46.08 | dpkg | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 01:46.14 | nc613 | what about server management? anyone have any experience in managing large number of servers and automation of such tasks? |
| 01:46.53 | mystic_touch | lookś this adress is down whith very mistakes :\ |
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| 01:47.46 | nc613 | besides webmin-cluster module... |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | mystic_touch: engrish ? |
| 01:48.38 | Guerin | nc613: if you have to fuck with it, you didn't set it up right? |
| 01:48.58 | nc613 | Guerin: I'm not sure what you mean? |
| 01:49.06 | mystic_touch | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 01:49.10 | nc613 | like if you need to manage it? |
| 01:49.13 | mystic_touch | abtoman website error |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | !tell mystic_touch about sound |
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| 01:50.17 | n3kl_ | anyone know the state of sli on linux? |
| 01:50.18 | nc613 | Guerin: we all know that you can't just set a system up and leave it, you need to manage it. So the management part I'm interested in. |
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| 01:50.58 | rahul | n3kl_: no |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | n3kl_: ask #ati or #nvidia |
| 01:51.26 | nc613 | n3kl_: I thought the new NV drivers support SLI |
| 01:51.52 | n3kl_ | Thanks |
| 01:52.03 | nc613 | Version: 1.0-8174 has SLI support |
| 01:52.09 | nc613 | see http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/index.html |
| 01:52.42 | mystic_touch | abrotman ok !tell :) |
| 01:52.50 | nc613 | anyway, anyone else keen to talk server management? |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | mystic_touch: /msg dpkg foo |
| 01:53.59 | mystic_touch | thanks :) |
| 01:55.10 | mystic_touch | i'm using etch and when i change acounts happend to me more then once :\ because i'm allways changing acounts and ... sometimes i click in "new login" to change and don`t ask me the password and then start to ask me again the password |
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| 01:55.20 | mystic_touch | happend this to someone else? |
| 01:55.41 | nc613 | wow.. |
| 01:55.47 | nc613 | no idea what was said. |
| 01:56.50 | Guerin | nc613: to me, server management means `if it works, let it' |
| 01:57.07 | mystic_touch | probably something i'm doing badlly around here leave it np |
| 01:57.25 | nc613 | Guerin: yeah but what happens when you have a DNS server on one system, an FTP server on another etc etc, and you need to update information on 10 systems in the same time? |
| 01:57.46 | nc613 | or you need to run regular updates on 100 systems? |
| 01:57.46 | Guerin | nc613: it depends on the information. |
| 01:57.48 | nc613 | brb |
| 01:57.52 | Guerin | oh, security updates? |
| 01:57.57 | nc613 | yeah |
| 01:58.05 | Guerin | cron-apt |
| 01:58.31 | Guerin | if you're running stable it's fine; you can put it behind a test-bed to make sure they all run clean, and vet packages using a local mirror or cache |
| 01:58.33 | nc613 | ok thats nice, but you still wonna click a button before you execute it? |
| 01:58.42 | Guerin | no. |
| 01:58.43 | Guerin | why? |
| 01:58.52 | nc613 | just paraniod. |
| 01:58.56 | Guerin | damned if I'm going around clicking 100 buttons |
| 01:59.08 | nc613 | no, thats my point |
| 01:59.14 | nc613 | click 1 button for 100 servers |
| 01:59.18 | Guerin | fuck that |
| 01:59.19 | nc613 | central management? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | click ? wtf is a click? |
| 01:59.42 | nc613 | abrotman: its a figgure of speech in this context |
| 02:00.08 | nc613 | abrotman: hit enter if you like. or push the 'Any Key' :) |
| 02:00.23 | Guerin | personally, I'd have a representative sample which would upgrade on cron-apt, and if successful they'd flag something on the main servers to progressively upgrade |
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| 02:00.41 | nc613 | anyway I'm really hungry, gotta get some lunch. but would be keen to continue this conversation when I return. |
| 02:00.48 | Guerin | except in cases where the initial upgrade failed, this would be a completely non-interactive process |
| 02:01.07 | nc613 | good idea Guerin. |
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| 02:02.25 | Guerin | man, I need to do some backups |
| 02:02.35 | Guerin | argh, so much to do, so little time |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | before what ? |
| 02:03.41 | Guerin | my sister is moving into my computer room tomorrow and I need to move all my gear out of it |
| 02:04.03 | Guerin | backing up would be a nice thing to do BEFORE that |
| 02:04.10 | Guerin | but ... meh |
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| 02:06.49 | abrotman | Guerin: she can't sleep with it ? |
| 02:06.55 | unlink | anybody have a core 2 duo mobo that works well with debian? |
| 02:07.00 | man_in_shack | can you search by tag in aptitude? i'm looking for ides, and i see a devel::ide tag 8) |
| 02:07.24 | Guerin | abrotman: it's a small room with a lot of crap in it, and more importantly, I need to get at it at all sorts of stupid hours for writing |
| 02:07.38 | abrotman | Guerin: ssh! |
| 02:07.44 | rahul | abrotman: rsh! |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | unlink: ask a better question |
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| 02:07.46 | Guerin | abrotman: is someone coming? |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | Guerin: put your pants on |
| 02:07.59 | maddash | what the heck is wrong with ntpdate? `sudo ntpdate nist.time.gov` returns "no server suitable for synch found". wtf? |
| 02:07.59 | Guerin | OMGZ |
| 02:08.02 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:08.09 | maddash | LOL abrotman |
| 02:08.17 | Guerin | !pool |
| 02:08.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pool is http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 02:08.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:08.23 | Guerin | !ntpdate |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | i guess ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 02:08.27 | emubite | Is it possible to access my OS X user folder (e.g., Music, Movies, Pictures, etc.) from Debian? I can mount the drive, but I don't have permission to access the directories in my OS X home folder. |
| 02:08.27 | Guerin | WTF |
| 02:08.38 | Guerin | where's the one with the `pool' server address? |
| 02:08.44 | unlink | abrotman: i think it's a fair question |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 02:08.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 02:08.57 | unlink | abrotman: anyone who doesn't know what i means is an idiot or doesn't know english |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | unlink: no .. it's not .. it's a stupid question |
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| 02:09.16 | maddash | wtf? ntpdate supercedes ntp |
| 02:09.17 | mystic_touch | re :x |
| 02:09.20 | Guerin | unlink: it's a fair question ... for #hardware |
| 02:09.26 | Guerin | maddash: no. |
| 02:09.27 | rahul | maddash: you're on crack |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | maddash: that's like saying firefox supercedes http |
| 02:09.39 | maddash | wtf wtf? that's what synaptic says |
| 02:09.40 | unlink | Guerin: or, #debian |
| 02:09.43 | maddash | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:09.56 | abrotman | unlink: do you have a question about a particular device on the mobo ? |
| 02:10.09 | unlink | abrotman: no, i'm looking to buy a core 2 duo mobo that works well with debian |
| 02:10.13 | Guerin | unlink: nope. In #debian, you'd ask `which core2duo boards are well-supported?' |
| 02:10.16 | maddash | so any idea why ntpdate doesn't work? |
| 02:10.25 | Guerin | unlink: and we'd say to you: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | unlink: that's easy .. go find the specs .. and then found out if the devices are supported .. |
| 02:10.29 | rahul | maddash: maybe a verbose flag will help? |
| 02:10.29 | unlink | Guerin: which is the logical equivalent of what i said, foo |
| 02:10.29 | dan2 | anybody know of a good C++ sql lib |
| 02:10.37 | Guerin | maddash: because it wants a payrise |
| 02:10.44 | Guerin | unlink: no, you were just polling. |
| 02:10.45 | rahul | dan2: the C one for your database |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | dan2: if it's good .. it's written for your database (which better pgsql) |
| 02:11.03 | unlink | abrotman: or, i can ask people who have had experience with core 2 duo motherboards instead of wasting hours poring through various motherboard specifications |
| 02:11.09 | mystic_touch | is there some away to i can use one sound device and don`t need to block the micro to have sound? |
| 02:11.29 | abrotman | unlink: you're an ass :) |
| 02:11.31 | unlink | Guerin: exactly, which is understood to mean what you said. don't be silly. |
| 02:11.32 | emubite | Is it possible to access an OS X Home folder (i.e., Music, Movies, etc.) from Debian? I've mounted my HFS drive read only, but I don't have permission to access my OS X folders. |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | emubite: might want to ask #macosx how to share it |
| 02:12.05 | tonyb2006 | if its RO you cant write to it.... |
| 02:12.11 | maddash | ugh. wtf? |
| 02:12.20 | Guerin | unlink: don't take the passive voice with me, matey. Say what you mean. |
| 02:12.21 | man_in_shack | tonyb2006, i would think he knows that |
| 02:12.21 | tonyb2006 | oh |
| 02:12.25 | tonyb2006 | i misread |
| 02:12.29 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 02:12.30 | scarfy | hi, i'm having the problem that after i rebooted my debian server my mysql deamon doesn't want to start again.. and i didn't really change anything. i just rebooted.. |
| 02:12.36 | Guerin | unlink: the answer to your question is clearly `no, since nobody has answered otherwise' |
| 02:12.43 | emubite | Does debian respect OS X permissions? That is, is Debian seeing there are restrictions on those folders? |
| 02:12.48 | maddash | rahul: verbose flag yields garbage: 22 Jan 21:11:53 ntpdate[10872]: ntpdate 4.2.2p4@1.1585-o Sat Oct 21 14:37:06 UTC 2006 (1) |
| 02:12.52 | tonyb2006 | try -o uid=<yourname> |
| 02:12.54 | Guerin | emubite: repeating doesn't get you any love. |
| 02:12.59 | tonyb2006 | that works with VFAT i know |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | emubite: you might have more luck in #debianppc |
| 02:13.28 | unlink | Guerin: i suppose that would be a reasonable interpretation if you had no intention of understanding what i said |
| 02:13.32 | rahul | maddash: did you ask for verbose or version? |
| 02:13.35 | emubite | I'll give that a shot. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:13.55 | eldowan | I have a reiser partition at /dev/hdc1. My fstab entry has the users,auto flags set. My ordinary users can mount it, but it always mounts with the user 'user'. I would be fine with this, but my user 'media' has r-x permissions, and I need rwx. How can I force the mount to the media user, persistent across boots? I have also tried the defaults option in fstab but I get the same result. I don't see gid,uid, or umask available for reiserfs. Any help would be |
| 02:13.55 | eldowan | just great. Thanks. |
| 02:13.59 | Guerin | unlink: why should I have to guess? Make your question *clear*. That's what abrotman told you to do. |
| 02:14.27 | rahul | eldowan: you can't. use chmod |
| 02:14.31 | rahul | eldowan: and chown |
| 02:14.36 | unlink | Guerin: perhaps there's the function of natural language you're not familiar with, called "understanding". |
| 02:14.42 | maddash | rahul: verbose. ugh |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | unlink: I have a bunch of core2 hardware at work .. but you're being such a difficult prick about it |
| 02:14.58 | Guerin | unlink: no, i'm familiar with it alright. |
| 02:15.18 | unlink | Guerin: i can imagine more obvious ways of conveying this |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | how about "Does the Intel 2346IG NIC work with 2.6.18?" |
| 02:15.40 | rahul | imagination is only useful on irc for cybersex |
| 02:15.44 | Guerin | unlink: but if you prefer to argue semantics than formulate a proper question, i suppose that gives some indication as to how much you care. |
| 02:16.26 | unlink | Guerin: i have no intention of arguing semantics. my goal is to create discussion about core 2 duo motherboards under linux, which is obvious from my original post. |
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| 02:16.33 | abrotman | unlink: you already are!!!!!! |
| 02:16.39 | Guerin | unlink: this is not the right channel for that discussion. |
| 02:16.47 | Guerin | unlink: #hardware, or ##linux. |
| 02:16.59 | Guerin | off you go. |
| 02:17.25 | maddash | how do I get a list of ops around here? |
| 02:17.34 | magyar | how can i purge a package wile ignoring dependencies "force"? |
| 02:17.36 | Guerin | maddash: /msg dpkg ops me |
| 02:17.39 | magyar | while |
| 02:17.45 | unlink | Guerin: there may be people in here--possibly not you--who have the answer to my question. |
| 02:17.50 | Guerin | magyar: man dpkg |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | i do have the answer to your question ... |
| 02:18.04 | unlink | Guerin: a popular way of determining this is asking the channel |
| 02:18.08 | rahul | unlink: there may be people in #botsex who have the answer, too |
| 02:18.19 | rahul | unlink: go ask all your questions there from now on |
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| 02:18.21 | Guerin | unlink: sure. But I know from years of experience that questions like that practically never yield useful information. |
| 02:18.24 | unlink | abrotman: which core 2 duo motherboards do you find are particularly well supported? |
| 02:18.43 | Guerin | unlink: you can get arsey and think we're picking on you, but we're actually just trying to make things simpler |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | the ones i make with glue and tarpaper |
| 02:18.56 | unlink | interesting |
| 02:19.08 | unlink | i'm not extensively familiar with that model. |
| 02:19.25 | rahul | the people in #botsex might be |
| 02:20.43 | unlink | Guerin: withholding the answer a well-understood question is a peculiar way of making things simpler. |
| 02:21.07 | Guerin | unlink: but I don't know the answer - the point is that people in #debian don't bother to answer questions like that. |
| 02:21.15 | Guerin | !moron unlink |
| 02:21.16 | dpkg | unlink: You are moron #65 |
| 02:21.27 | tonyb2006 | !doesn't work |
| 02:21.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:21.31 | maddash | unlink: usually one doesn't ask on irc unless one has an unbelievably simple question. in that case, you ask on #ubuntu. either that, or wait until someone like Guerin goes away, and someone like karsten is logged on. |
| 02:21.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:21.49 | rahul | heh |
| 02:21.54 | rahul | !penixstrike maddash |
| 02:21.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking maddash to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | unlink: i told you how to get the answer you seek |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | maddash: karsten is here now .. |
| 02:22.14 | unlink | abrotman: by asking a question i have no interest in? |
| 02:22.15 | rahul | and either way, penices will fall from the sky. |
| 02:22.22 | unlink | i don't seem to follow. |
| 02:22.27 | maddash | yes, but the former condition remains unsatisfied |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | unlink: it is the exact question you really want to know |
| 02:23.43 | unlink | is it indeed? what answer to that question leads to narrowing down the hundreds of core 2 motherboards to a manageable number? |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | do you value free drivers ? |
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| 02:24.21 | unlink | yes |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | that throws out 50% that use nvidia/ati crap .. |
| 02:24.39 | unlink | yup |
| 02:24.49 | unlink | i've been looking mostly at intel boards |
| 02:24.53 | loopdee | i have a wireless keyboard and mouse, whenever in the console i move the mouse, it puts alot of ! for some reason, anyone can help me out ? |
| 02:25.02 | scarfy | argh i really can't that mysql deamon to run again.. would it help if i reconfigured or reinstalled the package? can i do that without loosing the databases and tables etc? |
| 02:25.04 | unlink | they tend to be expensive, though |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | tough shit .. buy it |
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| 02:25.34 | mystic_touch | re :) |
| 02:25.36 | unlink | the risk is high when you don't know if it's well supported |
| 02:25.45 | teledyn_ | how come when i copy in .config from the debian 2.6.18-3 kernel into my vanilla 2.6.18.3 and run make oldconfig, i get asked for NEW items? |
| 02:25.49 | Guerin | unlink: which is why you have the HCL |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | too bad kmuto hasn't updated the HCL to include 2.6.18 |
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| 02:26.19 | Guerin | teledyn_: because the configs are different? |
| 02:26.32 | garotosopa | is there a changelog for packages in etch? |
| 02:26.37 | rahul | teledyn_: because . is not - |
| 02:26.39 | teledyn_ | Guerin: it implies that the debian kernel is missing features |
| 02:26.42 | Guerin | garotosopa: changelog from what? |
| 02:26.50 | garotosopa | Guerin, package versions |
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| 02:27.06 | teledyn_ | rahul: and that's true, but reading through the changlog for the debian one it looks like they've used 2.6.18.5 |
| 02:28.03 | teledyn_ | something is amiss, because a major feature like PNP EIDE support shouldn't be missing from the debian one if its in the vanilla one |
| 02:28.08 | PingFloyd | it eats at you if there are some possible missing features, huh? |
| 02:28.40 | rahul | !eat PingFloyd |
| 02:29.02 | jelly-home | teledyn_: do you need it, btw? |
| 02:29.04 | Guerin | garotosopa: Packages.* in the archives; but I'm not aware of a more straightforward list |
| 02:29.10 | rahul | !moo |
| 02:29.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:29.18 | rahul | yeah, mad cow for sure |
| 02:29.21 | Guerin | garotosopa: it's non-trivial unless you have quite a limited set of packages you want to match |
| 02:29.51 | teledyn_ | jelly-home: that's beside the point really. i want to build a similar as possilble version based on the same version, and can't understand this |
| 02:30.00 | rahul | buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo? |
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| 02:30.10 | scarfy | Does nobody know? |
| 02:30.13 | jelly-home | teledyn_: patches, probably |
| 02:30.22 | Guerin | scarfy: if anyone knew, they'd have let you know |
| 02:30.28 | teledyn_ | jelly-home: and i should be able to do an oldconfig and not have to deal with whether i need or don't need stuff |
| 02:30.36 | scarfy | darn |
| 02:30.44 | teledyn_ | jelly-home: but would a major thing like that get removed via patching? |
| 02:30.48 | Guerin | scarfy: or they just weren't paying attention |
| 02:30.50 | Guerin | or something |
| 02:30.53 | scarfy | i need that server up again.. |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | scarfy: back them up before you do it |
| 02:31.01 | teledyn_ | jelly-home: i always tended to think things were *added* via patching, not the other way around |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | but i'd say yes |
| 02:31.04 | scarfy | hmm |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: don't you ever sleep?! |
| 02:31.18 | jelly-home | teledyn_: riight. Tell that to upstream who forgets to enable stuff like IP_XTABLES forcing me to reconfigure all of the netfilter stuff again |
| 02:31.20 | scarfy | good idea.. just gotta figure out how one does that first hehe |
| 02:31.21 | garotosopa | Guerin, thanks. I'll try something ;) |
| 02:31.31 | rahul | abrotman: he sleeps jiggling up |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | scarfy: mysql.com has docs on that |
| 02:31.39 | scarfy | i mean without acces to the db.. since i can't get the deamon up |
| 02:31.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: sometimes I do... but at funny times |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | rahul: he .. jiggles ? |
| 02:32.03 | rahul | jiggles |
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| 02:32.49 | abrotman | i think the correct answer is "Hee Hee" |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | pillsbury dough boy! |
| 02:33.06 | rahul | he's jelly, not dough |
| 02:33.08 | litage | does the debian mentors channel still exist? |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:33.10 | jelly-home | that reference is sadly lost on me |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | litage: #debian-mentors |
| 02:33.34 | abrotman | litage: oh .. on OFTC now |
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| 02:33.56 | litage | thanks abrotman |
| 02:35.14 | DaveyB | My windows machine can access my Linux machine and view all the shared but I am unable to view the shares in Linux. Any ideas how I can sort this out? Command lines to give more information etc etc |
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| 02:36.51 | garotosopa | DaveyB, smbclient //windowshostnameorip -L // doesn't it show you anything? what windows version? |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | i think he's saying he can't see his samba shares in linux |
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| 02:37.45 | DaveyB | garotosopa, smbclient can not be found |
| 02:37.59 | garotosopa | DaveyB, apt-get install smbclient ? |
| 02:38.42 | garotosopa | I thought he was saying he couldn't see windows shares in linux -- once I can see no reason for seeing my own shares... |
| 02:38.58 | nc613 | ok back from lunch.. |
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| 02:39.22 | DaveyB | garotosopa, that's wht I was saying I can't see my Windows shares in Linux. Also there is no -L switch in smbclient |
| 02:39.49 | DaveyB | Wait I think it's the other way smbclient -L //hostname |
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| 02:40.06 | garotosopa | yup that's what I meant |
| 02:40.36 | DaveyB | garotosopa, Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_OK |
| 02:40.46 | loopdee | just wondering, if i download debian-testing, do i need all 22 cd images ? |
| 02:40.58 | h3xis | no |
| 02:41.06 | DaveyB | There are no sharenames. |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | !d-i loopdee |
| 02:41.10 | dpkg | loopdee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:41.16 | nc613 | just get the net install |
| 02:41.19 | nc613 | then go from there |
| 02:41.30 | DaveyB | garotosopa, on the Windows box there are share names under the workgroup :/ |
| 02:41.42 | eldowan | loopdee: alternatively, you should only need the binary CD1 to do a basic install |
| 02:41.58 | loopdee | what kernel is in the sarge r4 ? |
| 02:42.20 | eldowan | 2.6.8 I believe. |
| 02:42.24 | garotosopa | DaveyB, http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2006-January/115947.html just found something related |
| 02:42.24 | nc613 | 2.4.21 and 2.6.8 |
| 02:42.46 | nc613 | to get 26 you need linux26 at boot yeah? |
| 02:42.50 | loopdee | ok, just backport it ? |
| 02:42.53 | loopdee | if i need newer ? |
| 02:42.56 | eldowan | nc613: yes |
| 02:43.00 | Wyzard | Does anyone here know offhand how to enable XRandR rotation in xorg? |
| 02:43.14 | nc613 | hardcore |
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| 02:43.30 | Wyzard | XRandR itself is supported -- the "xrandr" command doesn't tell me "no such extension" or anything like that -- but the only rotation supported is "normal" |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: put your monitor on its side |
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| 02:43.45 | nc613 | haha abrotman |
| 02:43.50 | Wyzard | Well, my LCD has a built-in swivel |
| 02:43.55 | nc613 | Wyzard: is it nv driver? |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | mm .. i remember mac portrait displays |
| 02:44.02 | Wyzard | I'd like to do that, but I don't want to have to turn my head on its side too :-) |
| 02:44.05 | nc613 | Wyzard: you a developer? |
| 02:44.09 | Wyzard | nc613: one nvidia, one vmware |
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| 02:44.23 | nc613 | Wyzard: is it nvidia driver from their site? |
| 02:44.26 | Wyzard | nc613: I'm a software developer, but not a DD |
| 02:44.32 | nc613 | Wyzard: stock nv driver may not support |
| 02:44.36 | Wyzard | nc613: nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx |
| 02:44.40 | nc613 | Wyzard: ok |
| 02:44.47 | eldowan | loopdee: there is a site that provides a 2.6.18 kernel on the sarge installer, but I don't remember the address... anyone know the dpkg factoid for it? |
| 02:44.48 | nc613 | Wyzard: what is the version? |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: DO NOT DO THAT ! |
| 02:45.07 | Wyzard | 9746 |
| 02:45.08 | nc613 | backports.org? |
| 02:45.13 | Wyzard | unstable |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: and remember that to get it back ... 'xrandr -o normal' |
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| 02:45.33 | DaveyB | garotosopa, it's not on a domain it's a workgroup. |
| 02:45.43 | Wyzard | Actually, that package is in experimental, so as to not interfere with the etch release |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: and i didn't have to enable anything .. |
| 02:45.53 | nc613 | anyone got 3 monitors working with xinerama? |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: that i know of |
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| 02:46.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: The problem is that "normal" is the *only* supported argument to '-o' on my system |
| 02:46.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: It doesn't let me use "left", "right", or "inverted" |
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| 02:46.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have ...Rotations possible - normal left inverted right |
| 02:46.26 | nc613 | I got nvidia dual display + another spare card..how hard is it to make it work with 3 monitors? |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: if it makes you feel better .. i don't get reflections :) |
| 02:46.45 | nc613 | I think the spare card is onboard crappy intel thing |
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| 02:46.48 | scarfy | as far i can see i can't really find a way to backup a sql database if you can't even start the deamon to access them.. or did i miss something? |
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| 02:47.04 | eldowan | is there a way to keep famd from locking my mounts? |
| 02:47.10 | nc613 | scarfy: just back up the files in the data directory |
| 02:47.17 | garotosopa | DaveyB, np. have you tried with -U and a local username there? |
| 02:47.22 | scarfy | hmm |
| 02:47.45 | DaveyB | smbclient -U is an invalid arguement |
| 02:47.46 | nc613 | scarfy: how is it setup? standard or tweaked? |
| 02:47.56 | scarfy | nc613, standard |
| 02:47.57 | nc613 | DaveyB: smbclient -L ? |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe the binary-driver can't do it ? |
| 02:48.16 | nc613 | scarfy: yeah you should be able to just tar up the whole data dir and extract it on another machine, and it will work... |
| 02:48.23 | Wyzard | eldowan: That was a problem with the old dnotify kernel facility, which has been superseded by inotify in recent kernels... what kernel are you running? |
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| 02:48.38 | abrotman | (II) I810(0): RandR enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | (--) RandR disabled |
| 02:48.40 | garotosopa | smbcliient -L host -U username |
| 02:48.46 | eldowan | Wyzard: 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 02:48.48 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: kik |
| 02:48.50 | tonyb2006 | lol* |
| 02:48.56 | scarfy | nc613, aaah great first good news i heard all day =D you wouldn't know where that directory would be with a standart installtion? |
| 02:49.12 | Wyzard | eldowan: hmm... that supports inotify, but maybe your famd is still using dnotify for some reason? |
| 02:49.13 | nc613 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.24 | eldowan | Wyzard: How would I check that? |
| 02:49.27 | nc613 | sorry |
| 02:49.32 | nc613 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: The only occurrence of "RandR" in my log is "(==) RandR enabled" |
| 02:49.37 | DaveyB | nc613, garotosopa still the same error. |
| 02:49.40 | Wyzard | eldowan: dunno... I'm just speculating, sorry |
| 02:49.43 | spyro_boy | rofl |
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| 02:49.58 | eldowan | Wyzard: oh well. It doesn't hurt my heart to kill famd. |
| 02:50.00 | scarfy | nc613, aah yeah there it is :D |
| 02:50.03 | nc613 | DaveyB: are you allowing NULL sessions on the other machine? Whats the other machine? |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe nvidia sucks ? |
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| 02:50.13 | nc613 | nah its ok. |
| 02:50.16 | nc613 | nv is good ! :) |
| 02:50.21 | nc613 | anyone got a 3 monitor setup? |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | can you try the nv driver ? |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | nc613: matrox |
| 02:50.37 | nc613 | abrotman: yeah? dual head? |
| 02:50.39 | scarfy | nc613, var.. makes sense now that i think about it.. hehe my thinking slows down in my head at 3:50 in the morning. thanks for your help |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | matrox had quad-head .. |
| 02:50.53 | nc613 | scarfy: ok |
| 02:50.55 | DaveyB | nc613, it's a Windows XP machine, I don't know how I would set it up. I am just wanting to view its shares. |
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| 02:51.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'd rather not kill X... but I have the same problem in a VMware virtual machine, so I don't think it's an nVidia-specific thing |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | what video card does vmware emulate ? |
| 02:51.51 | nc613 | DaveyB: umm, can you view its shares from another windows XP machine? |
| 02:51.52 | rahul | Rotations possible - normal |
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| 02:51.59 | rahul | shrug, same thing with ati |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | rahul: that's nothing special .. mien has left/right/inverted |
| 02:52.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: It has its own xorg driver |
| 02:52.25 | rahul | abrotman: I'm not bragging, foo :P |
| 02:52.37 | litage | is a makefile required to build a package that doesn't contain programs requiring compilation? |
| 02:52.39 | rahul | !fart in the general direction of abrotman |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: i do have Composite enabled .. but i doubt that does it |
| 02:52.43 | DaveyB | nc613, that's the problem I only have 1 windows machine. :/ From that machine it can access its own shares. |
| 02:52.52 | nc613 | DaveyB: what access level are you using on the XP machine, is it user or share level access? |
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| 02:52.55 | rahul | litage: maybe |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | litage: it's possible .. make files can do many things |
| 02:53.13 | mrbnet | how do I cd into a dir that has a space in its name? |
| 02:53.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope... I have Composite enabled on nVidia, but not in vmware |
| 02:53.22 | DaveyB | nc613, I am using Administrator account. I don't know how to tell the level of access. |
| 02:53.27 | Wyzard | mrbnet: Put a backslash before the space, or put the whole name in quotes |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have the glx module enabled! |
| 02:53.49 | diego | i'm trying to install dbus with aptitude. i added unstable repository to sources.list. I select dbus, but kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386 brokes because one of the dependencies of dbus conflicts with initrd-tools. uninstalling kernel-image doesn't sound as good thing, right? |
| 02:53.51 | Wyzard | abrotman: So do I... I've never seen any harm in that |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | do you have the bitmap module?! |
| 02:54.13 | mrbnet | Wyzard: Thanks |
| 02:54.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: i2c, bitmap, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, vbe |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | cute .. man xrandr says "SEE ALSO : Xrandr(3)" .. which doesn't exist |
| 02:54.49 | nc613 | DaveyB: smbclient -L //IPADDRESS doesn't work? |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: i dont have i2c |
| 02:54.54 | nc613 | DaveyB: whats the error? |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: at least .. i dont' think so |
| 02:55.58 | nc613 | mac sux |
| 02:56.23 | streuner_ | all OS's sucks |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | he didn't specify an OS |
| 02:56.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: aha... it's an xorg.conf option, according to nvidia's readme |
| 02:56.51 | streuner_ | !start an OS war |
| 02:56.51 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 02:57.15 | DaveyB | same error: I get the password prompt as always but there is no password to type and then it spawns the: Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_OK only this time i has these errors also:session request to 192.168.0.108 failed (Called name not present) and session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) |
| 02:57.16 | nc613 | spectrum !! |
| 02:57.37 | h3xis | infidels |
| 02:57.46 | streuner_ | abrotman: nc613> mac sux |
| 02:57.48 | nc613 | DaveyB: assign a password to administrator? |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | streuner_: mac is not an OS |
| 02:58.14 | streuner_ | abrotman: hm |
| 02:58.19 | nc613 | DaveyB: better yet, create a new user and use that to auth |
| 02:59.02 | nc613 | I wouldn't let a mac operate my trash can auto-eject mechanism.. |
| 02:59.04 | DaveyB | nc613, that works. Now that is strange. Why doesn't it work if there is no password? |
| 02:59.20 | litage | is there a guide/doc/tutorial for how to create a brand new package rather than build a package out of an upstream tarball? |
| 02:59.20 | nc613 | DaveyB: security restriction |
| 02:59.49 | DaveyB | nc613, Thank you for all your help |
| 02:59.50 | garotosopa | nc613, does -N bypass that |
| 02:59.51 | garotosopa | ? |
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| 03:00.15 | scarfy | aaaaaah yes i got it all working now.. server up and running again YAY let's party.. thanks alot to all of you |
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| 03:02.00 | nc613 | garotosopa: yeah but only as far as smbclient is concerned, not as far as windowsxp is concerned...I'm sure this would work on NT or 98 systems... |
| 03:02.22 | nc613 | garotosopa: pretty sure XP doesn't allow NULL sessions by default anymore. |
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| 03:03.30 | nc613 | scarfy: amen |
| 03:03.44 | nc613 | anyway, who wants to answer my questions?!? |
| 03:03.55 | scarfy | what is your question? |
| 03:04.03 | nc613 | anyonw got 3 monitors setup with xinerama? |
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| 03:04.16 | scarfy | uuhh i couldn't even get X runing on debian so far.... |
| 03:04.22 | scarfy | wrong guy to help there sry rofl |
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| 03:04.36 | nc613 | I got 2 so far with nvidia twinview crap... |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | nc613: what version of debian is this ? |
| 03:04.50 | nc613 | but had no experience in setting up across multiple cards. |
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| 03:05.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: Option "RandRRotation" "true" :-) |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: any luck ? |
| 03:05.06 | nc613 | abrotman: heh its ubuntu...I'm ashamed to say! |
| 03:05.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't have that i don't htink |
| 03:05.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: for nVidia... now to see if VMware can do it |
| 03:05.21 | abrotman | nc613: then go to #ubuntu and stop wasting our time |
| 03:05.30 | nc613 | abrotman: don't be a jerk |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | nc613: you're offtopic |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. i don't have that at all |
| 03:05.47 | nc613 | abrotman: what topic clown? |
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| 03:05.53 | streuner_ | nc613: no, you are! |
| 03:05.56 | abrotman | !tell nc613 about topic |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | !tell nc613 about guidelines |
| 03:06.15 | Vme | Anyone know a good way to make it so if you were to RSYNC a directory to a computer that even root on the other computer could read/view the files?? Basically some sort of user level encryption? |
| 03:06.17 | nc613 | yeh yeh. |
| 03:06.21 | streuner_ | doesn't help, he ignores us |
| 03:06.26 | DaveyB | nc613, so how do I mount the network drive if I had to use the -L -U method? |
| 03:06.48 | Ronin | has anyone told them this is #debian not #ubuntu? |
| 03:06.49 | Vme | couldn't read/view |
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| 03:06.54 | abrotman | Ronin: he doesn't care |
| 03:07.01 | Ronin | bah |
| 03:07.04 | abrotman | DaveyB: smbmount |
| 03:07.07 | stoned | this isn't #ubuntu? |
| 03:07.09 | streuner_ | Ronin: see what abrotman told you... |
| 03:07.10 | stoned | omg! |
| 03:07.15 | streuner_ | stoned: hahha |
| 03:07.18 | stoned | :D |
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| 03:07.21 | Ronin | streuner_: he tells me lots of things, most i ignore ;) |
| 03:07.25 | nc613 | clown linux is meant to be about sharing.!! |
| 03:07.31 | streuner_ | Ronin: hehe |
| 03:07.32 | scarfy | na stoned its #windows |
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| 03:07.39 | streuner_ | haha |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | nc613: that's nice .. try ##linux |
| 03:07.45 | nc613 | so what if I run ubuntu man, I'm helping a guy with his windows problems... |
| 03:07.48 | scarfy | the openwindows project from microsoft |
| 03:07.55 | DaveyB | abrotman, smbmount, I can't find the package or program |
| 03:07.55 | abrotman | nc613: no ..he's having linux problem |
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| 03:07.56 | nc613 | all I asked was a generic question... |
| 03:08.06 | twobitsp1ite | how do I get gtk programs to not be ignorant of the real x clipboard? |
| 03:08.07 | abrotman | nc613: ##linux is for generic questions |
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| 03:08.13 | nc613 | abrotman: I did ask a frikin generic enough question aye? |
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| 03:08.18 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite nc613 |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | nc613: go to #ubuntu please |
| 03:08.32 | nc613 | man.. |
| 03:08.34 | dvs | is it out yet? |
| 03:08.36 | twobitsp1ite | i.e. I scratch something in my aterm, but "paste" in gaim/firefox doesn't work, just pulls the last thing I "copied" from either.... |
| 03:08.36 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:08.46 | nc613 | abrotman: take a chill pill clown. |
| 03:08.54 | stoned | if you run ubuntu, why are you in #debian? |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | stop calling me a clown fucktard |
| 03:08.56 | jelly-home | streuner_: I see the ubuntusmite is still using a bad analogy. ;-) |
| 03:09.02 | nc613 | heh |
| 03:09.03 | Guerin | woah |
| 03:09.05 | streuner_ | nc613: why didn't you listen to us? |
| 03:09.12 | stoned | I run debian, you don't see me go to #gentoo or #redhat do you? |
| 03:09.13 | Guerin | and is this the guy who was talking about his 100-box server farm? |
| 03:09.14 | Wyzard | nc613: Ubuntu isn't supported here because it has differences from Debian that we don't keep track of |
| 03:09.22 | Guerin | i hope he ain't ruinning ubuntu on all of them |
| 03:09.29 | Wyzard | nc613: It has its own channel |
| 03:09.33 | jelly-home | stoned: seen you on #amarok, traitor! :-> |
| 03:09.40 | stoned | jelly-home, and? |
| 03:09.50 | jelly-home | stoned: oh nothing... |
| 03:09.56 | nc613 | stoned: why should I care if you do or don't? I run debian 3.1 on all of my servers, what I run on my desktop is none of your business |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | it is if you're asking us questions about it |
| 03:10.21 | nc613 | does that mean I can only connect to this channel if I'm running debian? |
| 03:10.24 | stoned | nc613, it becomes my business when you start talking about supporting other distros in #debian |
| 03:10.33 | nc613 | abrotman: I'm not dude. It was more general.. |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | nc613: please stop being argumentative ... |
| 03:10.36 | Wyzard | nc613: No, just that asking for help with things other than Debian is offtopic |
| 03:10.36 | streuner_ | nc613: yes |
| 03:10.38 | Guerin | nc613: the problem isn't with connecting, it's with expecting help |
| 03:10.38 | stoned | there are channels for the support/discusison of different distros |
| 03:10.43 | Guerin | come on |
| 03:10.46 | Guerin | this isn't rocket science |
| 03:10.56 | Guerin | don't get pissy about it, just use the right venue |
| 03:10.58 | stoned | I like rocket science |
| 03:11.02 | stoned | its fun to read about |
| 03:11.02 | streuner_ | haha |
| 03:11.28 | eldowan | stoned: my next friday dvd worked with debian at home. I guess it was the disk / media combination here... |
| 03:11.33 | Wyzard | nc613: You can connect using any distro you like... people sometimes use the Ubuntu liveCD to come here and ask for help with fixing their unbootable Debian system, for example |
| 03:11.36 | nc613 | you guys are loopy...the fact you are willing to keep going on about it makes me think you are all a bunch of 12 year olds with nothing better to do then fight for some silly ideology...Linux is meant to be about sharing.. |
| 03:11.48 | stoned | eldowan, I'm not gonna say I told you so, but I told you so man! |
| 03:11.49 | stoned | :D |
| 03:11.50 | twobitsp1ite | nc613: indeed |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | nc613: please please go to #ubuntu to ask your Ubuntu-related questions |
| 03:12.03 | streuner_ | nc613: haha |
| 03:12.05 | eldowan | stoned: Peach, I'm out. Get to go home an hour early... :D |
| 03:12.06 | abrotman | nc613: if you keep persisting, you can get banned |
| 03:12.09 | nc613 | I didn't ask a ubuntu related question |
| 03:12.10 | Guerin | nc613: you completely miss the point. |
| 03:12.14 | stoned | eldowan, have fun bro |
| 03:12.20 | nc613 | ... |
| 03:12.23 | Wyzard | nc613: You haven't been here for all the other people who have come in asking for help with Ubuntu problems that turn out to be some Ubuntu-specific thing, unrelated to Debian |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | nc613: so your servers running Debian 3.1 have a triple head video card ? |
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| 03:12.33 | Wyzard | nc613: or a bug in Ubuntu that doesn't exist in Debian, etc. |
| 03:12.41 | nc613 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.45 | Wyzard | nc613: so the policy is, Ubuntu questions are offtopic to avoid wasting people's time here |
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| 03:13.12 | abrotman | nc613: so what's your question again? |
| 03:13.14 | scarfy | nc613, financial ones ok? |
| 03:13.19 | streuner_ | nc613: so hush hush, GO to #ubuntu ;-) |
| 03:13.28 | nc613 | anyonw got 3 monitors setup with xinerama? |
| 03:13.30 | jelly-home | twobitsp1ite: oh, when you find out, please make a factoid out of it :-) |
| 03:13.30 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: Most likely it's just that nobody has a direct answer to your question |
| 03:13.36 | abrotman | nc613: on which operating system ? |
| 03:13.38 | stoned | I would like to make my own distro called Retardubuntu, do you think people will get mad? Especially mentally handicapped folk? |
| 03:13.41 | nc613 | abrotman: debian |
| 03:13.48 | abrotman | nc613: which version ? |
| 03:13.55 | scarfy | roofl |
| 03:13.55 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 03:13.56 | nc613 | abrotman: 3.1 r3 |
| 03:14.00 | abrotman | nc613: X -version .. please |
| 03:14.01 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
| 03:14.07 | stoned | I'm gonna shut up now |
| 03:14.09 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: but it's worth pointing out that X has *two* clipboards, one (IIRC) called SELECTION and one called CLIPBOARD |
| 03:14.11 | twobitsp1ite | scarfy: whats the second 'o' for? |
| 03:14.27 | Guerin | !ops nc613 ubuntu troll, and full of shit to boot |
| 03:14.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: nc613 ubuntu troll, and full of shit to boot |
| 03:14.28 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: The highlight/middle-click thing uses SELECTION |
| 03:14.29 | jelly-home | oll over |
| 03:14.35 | scarfy | twobitsp1ite, ah just cause it was a long rofl.. not something in perticular |
| 03:14.41 | nc613 | abrotman: using xorg from backports |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | nc613: that's not what i asked you |
| 03:15.04 | streuner_ | Guerin: you really expect that some OP helps us? |
| 03:15.05 | twobitsp1ite | Wyzard: ahhh... so, now the questions might be, how do I a) get aterm to put something in the CLIPBOARD or b) how do I get gtk apps to read from SELECTION... |
| 03:15.09 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: Most things that do Windows-style copy/paste use CLIPBOARD |
| 03:15.25 | twobitsp1ite | Wyzard: cool, thanks... that at least gives me something to google about |
| 03:15.29 | Guerin | streuner_: hope springs eternal. |
| 03:15.30 | stoned | selection buffer is awesome |
| 03:15.34 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: Just middle-click in a GTK textbox and it'll paste the SELECTION |
| 03:15.41 | streuner_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 03:15.42 | stoned | I love middle click I can't live without it |
| 03:15.55 | dvs | stoned: it's such an odd concept at first |
| 03:16.01 | Guerin | stoned: me too. OpenOffice.org broke it. They lose. |
| 03:16.05 | nc613 | abrotman: its 4.3 |
| 03:16.06 | Wyzard | twobitsp1ite: but I don't know of a way to get Ctrl-V to paste the SELECTION -- unless CLIPBOARD is empty; I think it does it in that case |
| 03:16.12 | twobitsp1ite | Wyzard: ahh ha!... (I thought I tried that, but I guess not...) |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | nc613: that's NOT what i asked you ... please go to #ubuntu for this crap |
| 03:16.56 | Guerin | nc613: you've already told us you're using ubuntu, so you're not going to convince us it's debian now |
| 03:17.03 | nc613 | you guys have some issues. |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | nc613: take your distro envy elsewhere |
| 03:17.06 | stoned | nc613, you're not going to win this... just take it elsewhere and save some bullshit drama |
| 03:17.09 | streuner_ | nc613: How often we must tell you, that you get more help in #ubuntu? |
| 03:17.15 | Guerin | nc613: yes, issues with fuckers like you who waste our time |
| 03:17.15 | stoned | nc613, save yourself. |
| 03:17.35 | twobitsp1ite | nc613: why is it so hard to just try asking in #ubuntu... they're nice, knowledgable people... I'm sure they can help you out |
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| 03:17.39 | dvs | !beer Wyzard |
| 03:17.50 | nc613 | man, this is funny... |
| 03:17.58 | stoned | I don't think he was asking |
| 03:18.07 | stoned | I think he was trying to help someone else with something |
| 03:18.07 | streuner_ | haha |
| 03:18.17 | stoned | but it wasn't debian related |
| 03:18.32 | twobitsp1ite | nc613: it is... what's wrong with asking in #ubuntu, obviously pestering these folks isn't getting you anywhere, regardless of who is right... |
| 03:18.33 | stoned | I can't recall, my buffer is too small to scroll up |
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| 03:19.03 | nc613 | twobitsp1ite: yeah I would if my question was ubuntu specific... |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | IT IS! |
| 03:19.24 | stoned | what was the question? |
| 03:19.34 | nc613 | see, there are people who need to be told exactly what to do, and then there is others who can share an experience and be able to reproduce it with whatever tool you give them.. |
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| 03:19.56 | abrotman | !afo |
| 03:19.56 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:20.00 | Wyzard | nc613: however, Ubuntu has different versions of things, and in some cases applies patches that Debian doesn't (or vice-versa) |
| 03:20.02 | dvs | heh |
| 03:20.03 | nc613 | its like people who dig trenches for a living. If you told them "Do you know how to use an X shovel" they would turn to you and say, |
| 03:20.06 | stoned | no |
| 03:20.13 | stoned | that would not be wise |
| 03:20.14 | nc613 | you are a retart, ofcourse I know how to use it |
| 03:20.19 | streuner_ | abrotman: in this case, you aren't :-/ |
| 03:20.21 | Guerin | nc613: and then there are fuckwits who think that it's ok to waste peoples' time with offtopic bullshit, and then get all self-righteous when they're told the proper venue for their question |
| 03:20.21 | abrotman | nc613: STOP being argumentative .. you have so many other *better* options for support |
| 03:20.26 | scarfy | n613, but just out of curiousity why WON'T you ask in #ubuntu? you think the ppl theyre wouldn't know it? |
| 03:20.29 | Wyzard | nc613: so software can behave differently in Ubuntu than in Debian, even though it's the "same thing" as far as you're concerned |
| 03:20.38 | stoned | for fucks sake |
| 03:20.39 | nc613 | Wyzard: I've been in IT for 5 years now, I know how computers work :) |
| 03:20.41 | stoned | please |
| 03:20.44 | Guerin | nc613: oooh, 5 years |
| 03:20.48 | nc613 | Wyzard: ok.. |
| 03:20.53 | GeorgeS069 | HAHAHA |
| 03:20.55 | Guerin | you basically invented the interwebs! |
| 03:20.56 | nc613 | Guerin: professionally |
| 03:20.59 | Guerin | oooooh |
| 03:21.01 | streuner_ | nc613: you didn't unterstand much then... |
| 03:21.02 | stoned | nc613, dude, I'll give you all my stash... just stop arguing |
| 03:21.03 | Guerin | professionally! |
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| 03:21.19 | stoned | why is this under discussion |
| 03:21.21 | dvs | stoned: o_O |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | nc613: please stop .. you're trolling now |
| 03:21.23 | stoned | whats with the personal attacks |
| 03:21.26 | nc613 | stoned: hand it over. |
| 03:21.28 | stoned | ya'll just fucking quit |
| 03:21.28 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 03:21.41 | stoned | nc613, just chill and take it to the proper channel |
| 03:21.43 | streuner_ | abrotman: he is a troll actually... |
| 03:21.54 | Wyzard | nc613: So you're saying that from your 5 years professional experience you understand what I mean, that a "generic" question isn't necessarily actually generic? |
| 03:21.58 | streuner_ | abrotman: or he became one.... |
| 03:22.13 | nc613 | so who else needs help with debian specific things? |
| 03:22.26 | nc613 | Wyzard: ok. |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | not you apparently :) |
| 03:22.34 | nc613 | abrotman: ok |
| 03:22.35 | scarfy | yeah i mean besides if its specific or not nc613 why not ask in #ubuntu? ppl theyre should be just as good to help... |
| 03:22.45 | scarfy | i mean what speaks against it? |
| 03:22.48 | nc613 | scarfy: ok |
| 03:22.52 | stoned | Debian SUCKS! |
| 03:22.56 | stoned | I really mean it |
| 03:22.58 | stoned | it sucks. |
| 03:23.01 | nc613 | :) |
| 03:23.06 | streuner_ | nc613: what's so *HARD* to ask in #ubuntu NOW? |
| 03:23.10 | Guerin | Wyzard: by `professionally' i think he means `i used to deliver AOL cds in letterboxes back in 2001, when I got out of middle school' |
| 03:23.11 | stoned | goddamit |
| 03:23.13 | stoned | I tried |
| 03:23.14 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:23.50 | Guerin | nc613: tell you what. Go and ask in #gentoo; see if they help you. |
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| 03:23.58 | scarfy | hehehe |
| 03:24.05 | nc613 | Guerin: ok, thanks for your input. |
| 03:24.10 | Guerin | nc613: or #obsd |
| 03:24.12 | stoned | Guerin, real professionals don't run ubuntu, well.. any of the real one I know of |
| 03:24.19 | Guerin | nc613: i mean - they all have X, right? |
| 03:24.36 | DaveyB | I connect to my drive using SMBCLIENT -L //Stacy -U /Stacy and type my password in 'password'. That works perfectly. I then try and mount my drive with mount -t smbfs -o username=Stacy,password=password //STACY/Stacy/ /mnt/Stacy (/mnt/Stacy has been made) and I get '8467: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) SMB connection failed' Any ideas why? |
| 03:25.02 | abrotman | DaveyB: is \\stacy the machine name ? |
| 03:25.12 | nc613 | DaveyB: try IP |
| 03:25.16 | DaveyB | abrotman, yer. \\STACY is the domain. |
| 03:25.32 | Guerin | DaveyB: mount smb shares using smbmount, not mount |
| 03:25.33 | nc613 | DaveyB: needs to be machine name or IP, better IP |
| 03:25.40 | Guerin | i think there's some wrapper madness it has to do |
| 03:25.43 | scarfy | stoned, yeah but i can't understand pppl who use suse though.. i think rather ubuntu than suse users. .ew |
| 03:25.43 | nc613 | Guerin: mount -t smbfs? |
| 03:25.50 | concept10 | professionals, hehe |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | no .. it does not need to be the IP |
| 03:26.03 | Guerin | it's been years since I used samba, but I remember having that problem |
| 03:26.08 | stoned | concept10, hey man whats up |
| 03:26.16 | Guerin | the ip is identical to the machine name if set up properly |
| 03:26.18 | concept10 | real professionals dont use linux, they use solaris |
| 03:26.24 | nc613 | abrotman: it does if there is no wins/dns/host information |
| 03:26.29 | concept10 | stoned, whats going on? |
| 03:26.33 | stoned | haha, you don't wanna go down that road man |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | nc613: based on his first part .. he does |
| 03:26.39 | stoned | especially in #debian |
| 03:26.47 | Guerin | nc613: but it worked when he mounts from smbclient, so ... |
| 03:26.53 | nc613 | DaveyB: if you do ping stacey and get an IP then should be OK |
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| 03:27.04 | scarfy | where is the guy who says "real professionals use bsd" he's missing |
| 03:27.07 | Guerin | nc613: see ... this is why we take the piss |
| 03:27.18 | concept10 | stoned, I just jumped onboard, let me see scroll up and read |
| 03:27.20 | nc613 | Guerin: thats fine, I can take it :) |
| 03:27.21 | streuner_ | stoned: nah, if you were elsewhere people would ban and kick you ;-) |
| 03:27.23 | chemaja | real professionals build their OS from upstream source |
| 03:27.24 | chemaja | ;) |
| 03:27.24 | Guerin | nc613: you're checking things which are already established, wasting time and distracting from the real issue |
| 03:27.31 | stoned | streuner_, why? |
| 03:27.39 | streuner_ | stoned: OT |
| 03:27.41 | nc613 | Guerin: ok, thanks for your input. |
| 03:27.49 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 03:27.53 | stoned | I have problems. |
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| 03:28.05 | nc613 | stoned: mental or physical? |
| 03:28.14 | stoned | nc613, don't worry about it. |
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| 03:28.21 | scarfy | ok its 4:30 in the morning now i should go to bed now.. thanks everyone again for the help.. goodnight everybody |
| 03:28.31 | streuner_ | night |
| 03:28.35 | DaveyB | nc613, getting the same error. |
| 03:28.37 | zinx | DaveyB: try leaving the / off the end |
| 03:28.37 | nc613 | stoned: not to worry, just trying to help :) |
| 03:28.42 | stoned | its all good |
| 03:28.48 | zinx | DaveyB: //STACEY/Stacey |
| 03:28.51 | concept10 | goodnight scarfy, we all hope you have nice dreams |
| 03:28.54 | jelly-home | chemaja: real professionals build their OS<end of sentence> |
| 03:28.54 | stoned | you know |
| 03:29.19 | DaveyB | zinx, have done, still not working. When I ping Stacey as well it states no host. :/ |
| 03:29.27 | mfrisch | I got a alsa problem. I configed an onboard and there are no errors but no sound. I put in a card and now the onboard is the only one coming up. How do I remove the onboard from alsa modprobe whatever is loading it |
| 03:29.29 | stoned | I just use my trusty kde app called 'smb4k' since it was there. works like a charm |
| 03:29.30 | zinx | DaveyB: also, you said you used the '/Stacey' username and it worked, that's odd :x |
| 03:29.47 | nc613 | DaveyB: can you try IP address of the host? |
| 03:29.56 | Guerin | mfrisch: disable the onboard in bios |
| 03:29.58 | concept10 | jelly-home, I disagree with that one. Real professionals dont have the time to build OSes |
| 03:30.00 | zinx | DaveyB: that's WINS or something |
| 03:30.05 | zinx | DaveyB: ping won't look it up |
| 03:30.37 | jelly-home | concept10: agreed. I was just bulishitting. |
| 03:30.39 | stoned | then again, I don't ever really need to access windows from linux. Its always the othe way around so I just map a network drive in windows |
| 03:30.48 | DaveyB | nc613, in what way try the IP? Ping it or try connecting to it minus the username? i,e, 192.168.0.108/ |
| 03:30.53 | Guerin | then again, I don't ever really need to access windows |
| 03:30.54 | jelly-home | concept10: real professionals delegate :-> |
| 03:30.55 | mfrisch | Guerin: its a dell..maybe. Its an old version. That would do it. |
| 03:30.56 | nc613 | DaveyB: tried this format? mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test |
| 03:30.58 | zinx | DaveyB: smbclient -L just lists too |
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| 03:31.12 | stoned | DaveyB, you can also use ip |
| 03:31.16 | Guerin | mfrisch: the onboard shoudl work, but your external card will proibably be better quality |
| 03:31.18 | nc613 | DaveyB: like //IP/share etc. |
| 03:31.20 | concept10 | jelly-home, heh, I like that one |
| 03:31.30 | zinx | DaveyB: try smbclient -U Stacey //STACEY/Stacey |
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| 03:32.07 | mfrisch | Guerin: its for a friend and the onboard seems to work shows up, but there's no sound when it worked in 'doz |
| 03:32.14 | DaveyB | nc613, using your method I get this error: 8641: Connection to STACY failed SMB connection failed |
| 03:32.30 | concept10 | jelly-home, actually, when you learn (not you exactly, anyone) the art of delegating tasks, you become a greater, more effective leader |
| 03:32.51 | jelly-home | concept10: and you're "upgraded" to management :-| |
| 03:32.55 | nc613 | DaveyB: and with IP not name? mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //IP/Stacey /mnt/stacey |
| 03:33.26 | concept10 | jelly-home, Now, since I said that, build me a etch box. Thanks. See you at 3.. |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | zinx: what was your first hint |
| 03:33.55 | Guerin | mfrisch: likely an oss module getting loaded at boot time |
| 03:34.05 | jelly-home | concept10: at consultant pricing? It's a deal! |
| 03:34.10 | nc613 | DaveyB: can you do cat /proc/filesystems | grep smb and see if smbfs is there? |
| 03:34.25 | Guerin | mfrisch: put snd-whatever in /etc/modules, reboot and it shoudl work |
| 03:34.26 | concept10 | stoned, I made about 5 songs today |
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| 03:35.01 | concept10 | jelly-home, I was looking in the paper, and they say IT is the most stressful job according to a survey |
| 03:35.08 | diego | .. just solved it installing dbus-1 from stable :D |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | nc613: he already said it works! |
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| 03:35.34 | nc613 | abrotman: ok thanks. |
| 03:35.37 | abrotman | moron |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | concept10: try telling that to doctors, soldiers, police, the fire service, etc |
| 03:35.45 | nc613 | abrotman: no need for that. |
| 03:35.45 | jelly-home | concept10: wouldn't want to work in ER though |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | nc613: yes .. ther eis |
| 03:35.53 | nc613 | abrotman: why? |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | i think it's obvious |
| 03:35.59 | zinx | abrotman: he said listing it works |
| 03:36.02 | nc613 | abrotman: you trying to show you are better? |
| 03:36.15 | DaveyB | nc613, returns: nodev smbfs : With your previos command i.e. mount -t etc got 8704: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) |
| 03:36.16 | |zetetic| | hi. anyone can tell me how to select the protocol (TCP or UDP) on Firestarter rules (outbound and inbound) ? |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | if listing works .. then the problem isn't going to be solved by trying IPs |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | perhaps the perms on the win32 side are borked ? |
| 03:36.44 | zinx | this is why i suggested trying to connect to it with smbclient |
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| 03:36.51 | kisielk_jp | IT is the most stressful? wow that's a load of bull heh |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | zinx: or that :) |
| 03:36.56 | zinx | i would guess the Stacey share does not exist at all, but i've not seen the list! |
| 03:37.06 | nc613 | abrotman: yeah but if you start with the most basic things then work your way up eliminates other problems in between. |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | DaveyB: paste the output of the listing |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:37.12 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:37.20 | concept10 | Okay, correction: I says top 10 |
| 03:37.22 | zinx | nc613: but that problem was already eliminated |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | nc613: he already stated that name works |
| 03:37.34 | nc613 | ok I missed that. |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | it was in his FIRST statement |
| 03:37.58 | Guerin | about half an hour ago |
| 03:38.04 | zinx | it's like "do the fans come on when you press the power switch?" "yes." "ok, can you make sure it's plugged in to the wall socket???" |
| 03:38.05 | Guerin | which several people have already pointed out |
| 03:38.07 | parsonsd | hahaha--most stressful! how about flight controllers? |
| 03:38.11 | nc613 | not sure why everyone is getting so worked up? Is it cause I'm using ubuntu? |
| 03:38.12 | concept10 | Guerin, I just looked at the list and it says nothing about soldiers, or emergency personnel, which is bizzare |
| 03:38.16 | dvs | air traffic controllers? |
| 03:38.23 | parsonsd | dvs : yep |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | nc613: no .. it has nothing to do with that .. |
| 03:38.24 | zinx | nc613: it's because you're an idiot |
| 03:38.28 | Guerin | concept10: must be sponsored by HP |
| 03:38.30 | abrotman | !zinx++ |
| 03:38.44 | concept10 | I would love to be a air traffic controller, they make $$$, forget the stress |
| 03:38.53 | nc613 | zinx: ok...thanks for your contribution. |
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| 03:38.55 | concept10 | people fight for those positions |
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| 03:38.57 | Guerin | concept10: talk to liable - he flied helicopters |
| 03:39.01 | zinx | nc613: np |
| 03:39.01 | Guerin | flies, even |
| 03:39.40 | abrotman | DaveyB: does the share work from any other workstation ? |
| 03:39.53 | parsonsd | used to be the train dispatcher, but those are more computer controlled. |
| 03:39.53 | nc613 | abrotman: he doesn't have any others. |
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| 03:40.10 | abrotman | nc613: any other workstations or shares ? |
| 03:40.16 | nc613 | abrotman: workstation |
| 03:40.17 | parsonsd | read where the train dispatchers tended to live till their first heart attack in their forties. |
| 03:40.22 | concept10 | parsonsd, you were a train dispatcher? |
| 03:40.25 | Guerin | when I was a nipper my ideal job was as a war correspondent |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | then why is he sharing ? |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | Guerin: you were a fluffer ? |
| 03:40.40 | DaveyB | nc613, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 03:40.41 | nc613 | abrotman: well has 2 computers, 1 XP other DEBIAN! |
| 03:40.44 | parsonsd | concept10 :no, family history is as close to train dispatcher as i get |
| 03:40.45 | Guerin | abrotman: not sure where that comes from. |
| 03:40.48 | Guerin | like Christiane Amanpour |
| 03:40.52 | Guerin | she's not a fluffer, though |
| 03:40.54 | nc613 | abrotman: or maybe ubuntu I'm not sure. |
| 03:40.56 | edju | Trouble reading dvds. Won't go into details here - just one question. Might the various rules under /udev be related to an inability to read dvds? |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | Guerin: it's the ubuntu user in me ... |
| 03:41.05 | DaveyB | nc613, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5156 |
| 03:41.08 | stoned | Guerin, I wanted to be a Wizard |
| 03:41.14 | DaveyB | abrotman, I don't have any other Windows machines. |
| 03:41.15 | Bogus8 | where can I find a good article or a man file on host names and setting them up so I just type ssh Other_Linux_box and it connects over my LAN |
| 03:41.19 | jelly-home | stoned: of the Coast? |
| 03:41.20 | Guerin | stoned: heh |
| 03:41.21 | abrotman | DaveyB: okay |
| 03:41.36 | DaveyB | abrotman, from the local machine I can connect via //Stacy and view the shares OK though :-/ |
| 03:41.37 | concept10 | parsonsd, I would take any of those type of jobs, im good at those (probably the only thing im good at) dispatching, directing |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | DaveyB: and what is your fstab line ? |
| 03:41.50 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: just edit your hosts file |
| 03:41.56 | zinx | DaveyB: connect from that windows machine; type "//STACEY/Stacey" in the Run... dialog |
| 03:42.08 | stoned | I'm about to play need for speed carbon |
| 03:42.10 | stoned | ! |
| 03:42.18 | Guerin | stoned: omgwedon'tcare |
| 03:42.22 | stoned | it beats tux racer any day |
| 03:42.24 | zinx | DaveyB: oh, i missed that |
| 03:42.34 | nc613 | hope they don't have any random breath tests... |
| 03:42.40 | zinx | abrotman: ya, that was my guess |
| 03:42.41 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: so there is no automatic, damn lost for words, wins type server.. whatever it does in windows where it simulates a server and creates a cache of names.. netbios grr that's not ti |
| 03:42.42 | stoned | Guerin, you should care, not caring is not cool. |
| 03:42.45 | GeorgeS069 | NFScarbon is great |
| 03:42.53 | Guerin | stoned: i'm going to pick my wife up from work, and go to the supermarket ... does that count as cooler since I'm actually driving a real car? |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | DaveyB: you don't have a "Stacey" share |
| 03:42.58 | DaveyB | zinx, that doesn't work only when I type \\Stacy |
| 03:43.13 | concept10 | oh well, back to pygtk documentation... |
| 03:43.14 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: was that for me? |
| 03:43.22 | zinx | DaveyB: there's no Stacey share, only Stacey the machine |
| 03:43.26 | DaveyB | I am such a twat |
| 03:43.30 | stoned | Guerin, sure. |
| 03:43.31 | zinx | well, only STACY the machine |
| 03:43.32 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: it will look in the hosts file first and if it finds a match it stops there and carries on like it looke it up in DNS |
| 03:43.36 | abrotman | DaveyB: twat ? |
| 03:43.44 | stoned | lol |
| 03:43.46 | DaveyB | I wanted to map everything on the machine, I misunderstood. |
| 03:43.54 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: I understand host files, I use them to block ad servers and such |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:43.58 | zinx | DaveyB: you should be able to connect to //STACY/MUSIC and //STACY/C$ though |
| 03:43.58 | Guerin | PEBCAK |
| 03:43.59 | DaveyB | abrotman, :$ |
| 03:44.02 | zinx | C$ is pure evil, though. |
| 03:44.05 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: same thing |
| 03:44.14 | Bogus8 | just theought their might be an automatic discovery daemon or something |
| 03:44.20 | zinx | i try to disable that on people's computers when possible |
| 03:44.25 | abrotman | DaveyB: you were trying to connect to a non-existent share ? |
| 03:44.31 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: it's drawing a map for your system...making it easier to find hosts |
| 03:44.35 | zinx | abrotman: of course |
| 03:44.37 | nc613 | nc613, returns: nodev smbfs : With your previos command i.e. mount -t etc got 8704: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) |
| 03:44.37 | Guerin | JUST like the error said! |
| 03:44.49 | abrotman | imporoitngsible! |
| 03:44.58 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: ahh that NFScarbon? |
| 03:44.59 | DaveyB | abchirk, nc613, zinx A BIG THANKYOU! |
| 03:45.01 | nc613 | is that a word? |
| 03:45.07 | Guerin | !be a reading error messages barbie |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | DaveyB: i have a real name! |
| 03:45.07 | dpkg | Aww, reading error messages is HARD! Let's go shopping, guerin |
| 03:45.09 | jelly-home | DaveyB: fwiw, you can ask a machine about its "windows" name with nmblookup -A ip.ad.dr.ess (or DNS / /etc/hosts name) |
| 03:45.17 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: it's a game...wasn't directed at you |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | good thing we didn't keep trying to connect by IP :) |
| 03:45.27 | mfrisch | Guerin: it has the card in modules. this is whats being loaded snd_intel8x0 |
| 03:45.28 | Bogus8 | damn damn ;) |
| 03:45.29 | DaveyB | abrotman, Real Name Unknown :) |
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| 03:45.38 | abrotman | DaveyB: look who you thanked :) |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 03:45.47 | diego | what's the URL of debian's main repository? logiclinux doesn't have dbus-1-util :S |
| 03:45.56 | nc613 | abrotman: you obiously feel inadequate.. |
| 03:46.01 | abrotman | i do ? |
| 03:46.10 | nc613 | [14:45] <abrotman> DaveyB: look who you thanked :) |
| 03:46.12 | DaveyB | Ooops sorry abrotman :) |
| 03:46.17 | nc613 | yeah you do. |
| 03:46.18 | Guerin | mfrisch: that should work, then. Check mixer settings; make sure the user is in 1audio' group |
| 03:46.20 | parsonsd | Hefeweizen is a beer? bleh.... |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | nc613: it's a common mistake that abchirk is used to .. and a running joke .. but nice try asshat |
| 03:46.26 | DaveyB | thanks abrotman also :) |
| 03:46.29 | Guerin | hefeweizen is ok |
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| 03:46.43 | parsonsd | not a fan. but alright |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | diego: for which version ? |
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| 03:47.26 | nc613 | abrotman: sorry, I'm not on the inside circles to know that. But thanks for sharing. |
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| 03:47.30 | mfrisch | Guerin: did all that even when there and made sure it was plugged in the right one, now I can't get rid of it and alsa only works when I run alsaconf on the emu10k card |
| 03:47.37 | diego | abrotman: sarge |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | mfrisch: weird. |
| 03:47.44 | sciboy | Howdy. |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | diego: packages.debian.org is one place .. or deb http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 03:48.20 | sciboy | I'm trying to compile the Mac source of this app but it stopped on one library and i'm lost on how to fix it. =/ |
| 03:48.23 | sciboy | http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/index.php?id=Home |
| 03:48.41 | nc613 | diego: be careful cause thats not what abrotman asked you! if you don't answer on cueue, you might get banned! |
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| 03:49.15 | mfrisch | Guerin: beyond. And there newbies that don't understand. I have had to edit /etc/modprobe.d/sound on my box, but the only one is emu10k |
| 03:49.33 | Guerin | sciboy: what do you expect us to do without an error message? |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | nc613: stop being a tard |
| 03:49.56 | sciboy | Guerin, I'm having trouble figuring what to paste without flooding the channel. |
| 03:49.57 | diego | nc613: oh.. then i missunderstood his question |
| 03:50.08 | Guerin | sciboy: put the whole error on paster |
| 03:50.09 | abrotman | diego: no .. you didn't .. nc613 is a troll |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | sciboy: but the short of it is: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:50.35 | GeorgeS069 | !pastebin.ca |
| 03:50.35 | sciboy | http://pastebin.ca/raw/325345 |
| 03:50.42 | diego | jaja |
| 03:50.51 | nc613 | I deny that. |
| 03:51.00 | Guerin | nc613: any good troll would. |
| 03:51.17 | nc613 | thanks, I think. |
| 03:51.28 | sciboy | I've got the package required installed, i just haven't seen this kinda' error before. |
| 03:51.45 | nc613 | apt-get install whocares |
| 03:51.48 | Guerin | sciboy: ask in #c++ maybe |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | must be an ubuntu package |
| 03:51.59 | DaveyB | 1 final questions, so everytime something changes on the Windows Machine I have to load it that way every time and I can't access the drive through GNOME network icon via the desktop? |
| 03:52.01 | sciboy | I'll give it a go. =) |
| 03:52.20 | sciboy | abrotman, Mac app actually but the original ran under linux so the portability can't be that far off. |
| 03:52.26 | abrotman | DaveyB: something changes ? |
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| 03:52.41 | abrotman | sciboy: that wasn't what i meant :) |
| 03:53.00 | DaveyB | abrotman, I.E we copy another one of our Home CD's onto the PC :) Will that automatically be updated? |
| 03:53.17 | abrotman | DaveyB: uhm .. i believe so |
| 03:53.26 | Guerin | in C |
| 03:53.28 | GeorgeS069 | DaveyB: just share the CD drive |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | \\machine\D$ :) |
| 03:53.48 | nc613 | abrotman: yeah, the package that gives you the ability to be resilient to clowns :) I have it...lucky I installed it just prior to coming here. |
| 03:53.57 | abrotman | more trolling .. who needs ops |
| 03:54.06 | Guerin | abrotman: not us |
| 03:54.25 | nc613 | abrotman: trolling happens when people who care start abusing people who don't care. |
| 03:54.28 | Guerin | abrotman: definitely no ops required in aust/NZ/asia |
| 03:54.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:54.49 | nc613 | :) |
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| 03:54.59 | abrotman | nc613: that makes no sense |
| 03:55.12 | rahul | trolling happens when people who don't care start abusing people who care... |
| 03:55.13 | nc613 | abrotman: its abstract. |
| 03:55.19 | maddash | how do I automount a usb device in etch? |
| 03:55.19 | abrotman | no it's not .. it's stupid |
| 03:55.27 | abrotman | maddash: which DE ? |
| 03:55.32 | Guerin | maddash: gnome and kde seem to do it automatically |
| 03:55.41 | Guerin | maddash: unsure how to do it without those, though |
| 03:55.47 | maddash | abrotman: de? |
| 03:55.52 | nc613 | abrotman: well things we don't understand, we often fear. |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | maddash: desktop environment |
| 03:55.57 | maddash | abrotman: oh, desktop environment? |
| 03:56.02 | abrotman | nc613: you are a total moron |
| 03:56.10 | maddash | abrotman: icewm+rox-filer... |
| 03:56.10 | Guerin | !aolify nc613 |
| 03:56.16 | abrotman | !info ivman etch |
| 03:56.21 | dpkg | ivman: (daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.12-5 (etch), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 03:56.25 | Guerin | !ops can we ban this fucktard nc613 yet? |
| 03:56.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: can we ban this fucktard nc613 yet |
| 03:56.28 | maddash | abrotman: I guess I could settle for an update to /etc/fstab |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | maddash: look at ivman |
| 03:57.03 | LoRez | Guerin: fucktard? |
| 03:57.13 | *** kick/#debian [nc613!i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez] by LoRez (LoRez) |
| 03:57.15 | maddash | abrotman: this can't be settled w/o an install? I remember from something I read that it involves udev |
| 03:57.17 | Guerin | LoRez: he's an ubuntu user who's been trolling for about an hour |
| 03:57.22 | abrotman | more than |
| 03:57.26 | Guerin | and refuses to fuck off to #ubuntu |
| 03:57.30 | LoRez | ok, but 'fucktard'? |
| 03:57.30 | abrotman | maddash: that's one way |
| 03:57.39 | LoRez | seriously... |
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| 03:57.50 | maddash | abrotman: do you know that way? can you show me? |
| 03:58.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@203.220.37.213] by LoRez |
| 03:58.07 | Guerin | LoRez: yeah, not very imaginative, I know. I should work harder on that. Maybe Gibbon-farting shite-licker or something |
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| 03:58.12 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 03:58.13 | mfrisch | where's the asound file for alsa |
| 03:58.14 | DaveyB | It all works now yey, thanks big 3> |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | maddash: i've only done with ivman or gnome |
| 03:58.22 | Guerin | LoRez: cheers |
| 03:58.39 | LoRez | Guerin: remember, on some level ubuntu users are debian users too... |
| 03:58.42 | LoRez | anyway |
| 03:58.46 | maddash | abrotman: i understand. thanks, anyhow. |
| 03:58.57 | abrotman | maddash: i suppose if udev sees it .. you could kick off a script |
| 03:59.02 | Guerin | LoRez: sure. No problem with that part. |
| 03:59.21 | maddash | abrotman: do I have to add an entry to fstab first? |
| 03:59.42 | maddash | abrotman: the thing is, I don't want to install hal.... |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | maddash: probably |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | maddash: so you don't want to install anything ? |
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| 04:00.17 | diego | abrotman: thank you. i've got it installed ( i've missed the last 's' of package name. :( ) |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | diego: eh ? |
| 04:00.33 | maddash | abrotman: hold on, I'm experimenting with pmount |
| 04:00.40 | abrotman | diego: oh ok |
| 04:00.48 | abrotman | maddash: oh yeah .. that should work too |
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| 04:19.02 | toymachine | when is xfce 4.4 gonna be available? |
| 04:19.04 | toymachine | anyone know |
| 04:19.49 | hark | try #debian-xfce maybe? AFAIK RC2 is there presently. It just got released like... yesterday. |
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| 04:20.32 | abrotman | uhm |
| 04:20.43 | abrotman | !info xfce4 etch |
| 04:20.48 | abrotman | i thought it was out already |
| 04:20.53 | dpkg | xfce4: (meta-package for xfce4 dependencies), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.1 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 04:20.59 | abrotman | oh well .. |
| 04:21.08 | hark | !info xfce4 sid |
| 04:21.09 | toymachine | yeah :-\ |
| 04:21.18 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 04:24.35 | hark | toymachine: try #debian-xfce or check their /topic. I guess it should be out quite soon. |
| 04:24.47 | toymachine | awesome |
| 04:25.24 | hark | they finally got teh desktop icons!!!11 |
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| 04:25.38 | toymachine | ya |
| 04:25.40 | toymachine | 4.4 is awesome |
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| 04:25.46 | toymachine | i was waiting to upgrade till final though |
| 04:25.47 | criminy | my browser is a zombie, I believe. How can I kill it? |
| 04:26.06 | valdyn | !zombie |
| 04:26.06 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 04:26.34 | criminy | I wish I knew what the parent was =\ |
| 04:26.41 | criminy | thanks though, that helps |
| 04:27.41 | hark | toymachine: i installed it yesterday on Sid. Quite stable. Especially liked the transparency stuff :) |
| 04:27.49 | toymachine | sweet |
| 04:28.22 | toymachine | is sid the stable now? |
| 04:28.25 | toymachine | etch still testing |
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| 04:28.37 | hark | !tell toymachine about releases |
| 04:28.46 | hark | !sid |
| 04:28.46 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:28.55 | Rusty1 | criminy: you could paste the output of ps -A somewhere, maybe we could help |
| 04:28.56 | PingFloyd | criminy: parent is the process that spawned it |
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| 04:29.15 | criminy | PingFloyd: I know that. |
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| 04:29.54 | toymachine | how do you tell which one you have , whatever your sources.list uses? |
| 04:29.57 | criminy | brb |
| 04:30.11 | toymachine | oh nm i use testing |
| 04:30.11 | toymachine | etch |
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| 04:35.05 | nvz | that is the silliest thing I ever heard. running an irc client should have absolutly nothing to do with installing or removing any package including but far from limited to the running kernel or the irc client itself |
| 04:36.16 | maddash | hark: "transparency stuff"? oh no, you've fallen to the dark side - of eye candy! |
| 04:37.01 | hark | maddash: heh, fluxbox still there? |
| 04:37.25 | maddash | hark: nope. fluxbox didn't last 5 min before I deleted it. |
| 04:37.42 | nvz | I use psuedo-transparency. |
| 04:38.14 | maddash | hark: back to icewm, actually |
| 04:38.21 | nvz | I've not yet seen any reason for actual transparence |
| 04:38.28 | maddash | hark: and skippy got deleted too, b/c it was buggy |
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| 04:38.45 | hark | yeah, and slow as well |
| 04:39.50 | maddash | hark: [sigh] so much for my aqua-esque hopes |
| 04:40.12 | maddash | hark: ar, I'm going to steal the xfce's panel |
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| 04:42.51 | hark | !depends xfce4-panel etch |
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| 04:42.58 | dpkg | xfce4-panel: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfce4mcs-client3 (>= 4.3.99.2), libxfce4mcs-manager3 (>= 4.3.99.2), libxfce4util4 (>= 4.3.99.2), ... |
| 04:43.19 | maddash | stop making fun of my ocd |
| 04:43.22 | maddash | lol |
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| 04:44.20 | maddash | hark: from a cursory `ps aux`, it seems that xfce4-panel uses less mem than fbpanel |
| 04:46.36 | hark | hmm, the only transparency i've liked so far is with a full scren term. The rest are mere annoyances. |
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| 04:47.15 | maddash | where would transparency be useful, anyhow? |
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| 04:48.39 | peterS | maddash: it's not about 'useful'. it's a feature you turn on when you realise it's available, so you can show all your friends and take screenshots to show all your virtual friends. then 3 days later you disable it again because it's annoying |
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| 04:50.04 | GeorgeS069 | kinda like Enlightenment |
| 04:50.13 | peterS | a lot like E, yes |
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| 04:50.13 | madd_matt | ever since I installed debian a few days ago i've had a problem with tiny distortion onscreen |
| 04:51.08 | cld2 | anyone in here using opera? if so is there a way to attach the widgets to the "bar" area instead of having them float around? thanks. |
| 04:51.21 | maddash | peterS: interesting way of putting it. like 3ddesktop? |
| 04:52.05 | hark | cld2: i think the only opera user here just left.. |
| 04:52.16 | cld2 | haha, ok thanks hark. |
| 04:52.27 | peterS | maddash: I don't have a very clear picture of what 3ddesktop is, but it sounds like the same concept |
| 04:52.30 | GeorgeS069 | !anyone |
| 04:52.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:52.53 | ttick | hmm, what package for mkfs.fat32 ? |
| 04:52.59 | peterS | ttick: dosfstools |
| 04:53.05 | hark | he did ask a valid question as well.. |
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| 04:53.13 | peterS | ttick: and it's called mkfs.vfat |
| 04:53.13 | ttick | peterS: oh, that does 16 and 32? cool |
| 04:53.18 | itchi | peterS: This?? http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/fluxbox_actual3.jpg |
| 04:53.24 | peterS | ttick: you have to give it -F32, I think, if you want fat32 |
| 04:53.28 | ttick | peterS: ah, thanks |
| 04:53.32 | itchi | peterS: It's 3ddesk |
| 04:54.02 | peterS | oh, that. yeah. |
| 04:54.11 | maddash | ah, that reminds me..must delete popularity contest |
| 04:54.11 | stew | bumptop is an interesting paradigm, but its just that, something interesting to watch the video of, but not anything that i'd ever actually want to use |
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| 04:54.22 | itchi | peterS: Once installed, just run 3ddesk an you get what you saw, you can then easy move to another desk |
| 04:54.44 | itchi | peterS: Only to show to us friends :-) |
| 04:54.44 | maddash | peterS: run 3ddeskd first. |
| 04:54.45 | peterS | I can move pretty easily now, just left-side-ctrl + number |
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| 04:55.05 | peterS | for digits 1 through 9, I think (not sure if 0 is the tenth, as I don't have that many) |
| 04:55.14 | stew | peterS: which wm do you use? |
| 04:55.24 | maddash | I'm running xfce4-panel and icewm's built in panel. it's surreal. |
| 04:55.25 | peterS | stew: ion3. though I'm not entirely happy with it |
| 04:55.36 | fatpelt | good evening all. is there a way to get apt-get to not remove packages when install another one. i'm trying to upgrade to a special 2.6.16 kernel and don't want it to remove my 2.6.8 kernel since that one will properly boot the system (and my specialized one won't yet since i don't have initramfs-tools) |
| 04:55.42 | peterS | stew: I changed the hot key to left-side-ctrl, since that's otherwise unused (my real ctrl is the key labeled capslock) |
| 04:55.48 | maddash | peterS: what's wrong with ion3? |
| 04:55.49 | stew | peterS: is your left side ctrl actually ctrl or some other bucky bit? |
| 04:55.52 | itchi | peterS: Try flux :-) |
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| 04:56.04 | maddash | peterS: try icewm ::--)) |
| 04:56.10 | itchi | :-p |
| 04:56.21 | stew | peterS: i was using ion3 for a few years until some upgrade broke much of my configuration, so i'm on wmii-3 now, which i'm liking but its certainly not the be all end all |
| 04:56.21 | maddash | itchi: didn't you have some other nick a while back? |
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| 04:56.27 | kupesoft | If someone sends me a message with 'write', how can I get that to be written to a text file |
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| 04:56.35 | itchi | maddash: No |
| 04:56.37 | peterS | maddash: mainly it's a matter of laziness on my part, some of the things I liked about ion3 earlier in its lifetime are ... probably still present but the configuration file has changed so that the features aren't presented by default |
| 04:56.39 | scenestar | uigh |
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| 04:56.55 | itchi | maddash: yeah, scratchi for the bot, on #debian-nl |
| 04:57.02 | scenestar | how the hell do you package files that do not need to be compiled |
| 04:57.02 | maddash | fatpelt: apt-get install [blah]...shouldn't touch any kernel you already have |
| 04:57.14 | scenestar | eg a set of webscripts |
| 04:57.20 | scenestar | its driving me up the fucking wall |
| 04:57.28 | fatpelt | maddash: The following packages will be REMOVED: includes kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 04:57.39 | stew | scenestar: just look at some other example of something aready in the archive |
| 04:57.46 | scenestar | stew, i did that |
| 04:57.51 | maddash | fatpelt: hmm...select "n"? |
| 04:58.00 | scenestar | dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386 |
| 04:58.00 | scenestar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.00 | scenestar | : No such file or directory |
| 04:58.00 | scenestar | '. Stop. No rule to make target ` |
| 04:58.00 | scenestar | debuild: fatal error at line 765: |
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| 04:58.04 | maddash | fatpelt: oh, I see. they can't co-exist |
| 04:58.11 | ttick | partition type: 0B is vfat? |
| 04:58.15 | scenestar | '. Stop. No rule to make target ` |
| 04:58.16 | scenestar | that one |
| 04:58.21 | scenestar | contstandtly |
| 04:58.32 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: that's because you don't have a clean target in your debian/rules file; indeed, you don't even have one. |
| 04:58.35 | peterS | ttick: linux ignores partition types, so use whatever you want |
| 04:58.49 | peterS | ttick: the type is only interesting for how legacy OSes interpret it |
| 04:58.51 | scenestar | dondelelcaro teH what? |
| 04:59.20 | ttick | after formatting with mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 I'm not able to mount due to: FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda |
| 04:59.30 | peterS | ttick: sda or sda1? make up your mind |
| 04:59.33 | maddash | fatpelt: answer to your original question is "no" |
| 04:59.38 | scenestar | dondelelcaro, yeah i know what you mean |
| 04:59.45 | ttick | peterS: sda is the drive, sda1 is the partition |
| 04:59.46 | scenestar | usually i would just have a makefile that would fix everything |
| 04:59.48 | scenestar | now i dont |
| 04:59.52 | scenestar | thats the confusing part |
| 04:59.56 | Bogus8 | ttick: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
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| 05:00.11 | scenestar | plus all man pages are refering to binaries |
| 05:00.16 | peterS | ttick: I'm saying you are trying to use both devices. you probably want to use sda1 both times |
| 05:00.18 | scenestar | and it's starting to piss me off |
| 05:00.22 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 05:00.40 | ttick | peterS: ah, maybe it fstab I have sda |
| 05:00.46 | peterS | yah |
| 05:00.52 | scenestar | dondelelcaro, i got a set of files i want installed on every webserver i have |
| 05:01.04 | scenestar | and have all that crap installed from a local repo on my lan |
| 05:01.10 | ttick | peterS: ah, that was it. good eye. Thanks for catching it. |
| 05:01.17 | scenestar | now setting that up is easy |
| 05:01.20 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: so make a Debian package. /msg dpkg nm guide; if you don't know how to do it. |
| 05:01.38 | scenestar | dondelelcaro i allready went through that |
| 05:01.43 | scenestar | several times |
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| 05:02.52 | fatpelt | maddash: ok. so is there a safe way to upgrade my kernel then ? |
| 05:03.07 | dondelelcaro | if you had, you'd realize that every single Debian package requires a debian/rules file, a debian/control file, and a debian/changelog in order to be built. |
| 05:03.27 | scenestar | dondelelcaro i have all those |
| 05:03.28 | fatpelt | or is there a way to force two packages to co-exist ? |
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| 05:03.43 | peterS | scenestar: if that's true, then dpkg-buildpackage would be able to find debian/rules |
| 05:03.47 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: if you did, and you were in the proper directory, then dpkg-buildpackage would not be failing. |
| 05:03.57 | scenestar | riiight |
| 05:03.58 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not failing in that way) |
| 05:04.05 | kupesoft | How do I view a users command history? |
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| 05:04.19 | scenestar | kupesoft cat .bash_history |
| 05:04.26 | kupesoft | Is there a better way? |
| 05:04.35 | kupesoft | What if they logged in twice |
| 05:04.37 | scenestar | kupesoft cat .bash_history | grep -i |
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| 05:04.41 | peterS | what could be better than that? |
| 05:04.46 | smimp | fatpelt: you have a custom kernel right? you're going to most likely do dpkg -i.. that shouldn't get rid of your other kernel to my knowledge, can't speak for any of the apt stuff |
| 05:05.20 | scenestar | dondelelcaro the thing is, that i can execute debian/rules just fine |
| 05:05.28 | scenestar | but it just dies on me when executed |
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| 05:06.12 | fatpelt | smimp: you mean i should try downloading the initramfs package myself and use dpkg instead of apt ? |
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| 05:06.32 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: put up your .tar.gz somewhere then. |
| 05:06.52 | smimp | fatpelt: i was thinking you were making it yourself.. so can't really speak to that |
| 05:07.10 | fatpelt | smimp: i'm acutally using the xen stuff to build it |
| 05:07.11 | scenestar | dondelelcaro yeah sure |
| 05:07.15 | scenestar | ill do it in the morning |
| 05:07.20 | scenestar | its fucking 6 am |
| 05:07.48 | dondelelcaro | that would be... the morning. |
| 05:07.48 | scenestar | and this is just making me want to claw my eyes out |
| 05:07.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: do you think this guy should be in #d-m? |
| 05:07.49 | itchi | scenestar: aptitude install life |
| 05:08.05 | dondelelcaro | peterS: dunno; here is fine. |
| 05:08.05 | scenestar | apt-get a life |
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| 05:08.30 | peterS | scenestar: do you mean xlife? |
| 05:08.35 | scenestar | lol |
| 05:08.46 | scenestar | i should really relax a bit |
| 05:08.48 | tkooda | what's the "most secure" ircd? |
| 05:08.52 | peterS | I thought there was an implementation 'alife' but I guess I'm mistaken |
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| 05:09.03 | scenestar | i've been writing patches the entire day, but at the last moment i have this happen to me |
| 05:09.36 | H2S04 | scenestar, I've heard good things about Unreal IRCD |
| 05:09.47 | peterS | tkooda: how to run a secure ircd: pick one that is so complicated to configure that you can never manage to get it to listen on any network ports, so only users logged in to the local host can connect |
| 05:09.49 | scenestar | H2S04 i run my own |
| 05:10.08 | tkooda | peterS, how to help: cat>/dev/null |
| 05:10.21 | scenestar | peterS |
| 05:10.38 | scenestar | nvm |
| 05:11.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I don't know how you can not get it listing on any network ports but still have it on localhost... must be a socket. |
| 05:11.35 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, I'm assuming that debian packaging comes with an example config of localhost-only, since that's a reasonable default |
| 05:11.36 | scenestar | maybe he firewalled all outside connections |
| 05:12.00 | tkooda | you all know what he meant. either way it wasn't helpfull. |
| 05:12.12 | tkooda | can anyone recomend a secure ircd? |
| 05:12.15 | peterS | oh yeah, I forgot the part about running some linksys POS that "helpfully" blocks incoming tcp 6667 for you |
| 05:12.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: OH NOES DCC! |
| 05:12.32 | scenestar | if you want helpfull go dance in a multicultural circle in ubuntu |
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| 05:12.36 | scenestar | whith bongos |
| 05:12.47 | scenestar | if you want normal tech, just chill out |
| 05:12.49 | H2S04 | sorry I meant tkooda :-p |
| 05:12.56 | H2S04 | he was asking about ircd :-p |
| 05:13.01 | H2S04 | got nicks confused scenestar |
| 05:13.07 | scenestar | tis ok |
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| 05:13.24 | linux2 | anyone know about this with jabber on debian etch |
| 05:13.36 | linux2 | no matter what i do when i start the jabber service it fails with: |
| 05:13.38 | peterS | scenestar has almost the same consonant sequence as sinister. coincidence? |
| 05:13.45 | linux2 | 20070123T05:09:36: [alert] (-internal): io_select unable to listen on 5222 [(null)]: jabberd already running or invalid interface? |
| 05:13.45 | linux2 | 20070123T05:09:36: [alert] (-internal): io_select unable to listen on 5269 [(null)]: jabberd already running or invalid interface? |
| 05:13.50 | tkooda | scenestar, not looking for configuration or handholding.. just educated opinions on secure ircd package name. |
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| 05:14.04 | scenestar | peterS not really |
| 05:14.08 | tkooda | scenestar, ..which is why I picked #debian over #ubuntu |
| 05:14.27 | dondelelcaro | linux2: check to see what is listening on 5222 and 5269 and/or make sure your configuration has it listening on 0.0.0.0 or an interface that is actually up. |
| 05:14.28 | scenestar | tkooda |
| 05:14.33 | tkooda | yes? |
| 05:14.38 | scenestar | just install unrealircd in a chroot |
| 05:14.41 | scenestar | teH end |
| 05:14.57 | dondelelcaro | linux2: netstat -plunt; and/or your configuration information will help you out. |
| 05:14.58 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: there is nothing else running on that port. already checked that out. and it is set to use the hostname 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:15.09 | dondelelcaro | linux2: then strace it. |
| 05:15.09 | scenestar | if you need it to be any more secure you shouldnt be fucking running such services on that machine4 |
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| 05:15.58 | peterS | im in ur internets |
| 05:15.59 | peterS | hackin ur ircd |
| 05:16.00 | tkooda | scenestar, I can't seem to find "unrealircd" in debian? |
| 05:16.19 | scenestar | tkooda ./configure && make && make install |
| 05:16.35 | tkooda | scenestar, aah. sorry. thought I was in #debian. |
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| 05:16.57 | scenestar | tkooda yeah, because all debian users are too dumb to compile from source just like you |
| 05:17.10 | tkooda | scenestar, witty retort. thanks for your input. |
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| 05:17.17 | scenestar | welcome :) |
| 05:17.19 | dondelelcaro | tkooda: as far as security in ircd's go, no one really knows. You're best off using one that is in use in major networks, like oftc-hybrid or similar. |
| 05:17.19 | peterS | scenestar: there was no need for that |
| 05:17.28 | scenestar | peterS sorry you are right |
| 05:17.39 | Yoques | Hi. Someone chanel debian in spanish? |
| 05:17.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.53 | peterS | scenestar: if something isn't packaged for debian, one has to ask _why_. there should be a good reason, maybe the same reason applies to whether I want to use it |
| 05:17.57 | tkooda | dondelelcaro, aah. good idea. thanks. -any particular one with an outstanding security record (above the others)? |
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| 05:18.06 | peterS | !es |
| 05:18.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:18.14 | scenestar | tkooda, based on the impression i have on you, i can safely say that no matter what ircd you pick you will likely missconfigure it |
| 05:18.21 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: can you please stop aleady? |
| 05:18.26 | scenestar | fine |
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| 05:18.39 | tkooda | scenestar, well educated opinion. thanks for your input. |
| 05:18.40 | dondelelcaro | tkooda: I don't know if oftc-hybrid is stellar, but OFTC uses it. |
| 05:18.49 | diego | is there any way to change xdm's session manager other than "ln -is /usr/local/sbin/rox-session /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager"? |
| 05:18.50 | tkooda | dondelelcaro, oftc? |
| 05:19.00 | peterS | tkooda: irc.oftc.net also known as irc.debian.org |
| 05:19.07 | tkooda | aah |
| 05:19.08 | Yoques | thanks, see you |
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| 05:19.26 | tkooda | oftc-hybrid == ircd-hybrid ? |
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| 05:19.37 | peterS | tkooda: one is a fork of the other - see 'apt-cache show' |
| 05:19.53 | peterS | I have no idea which is better |
| 05:20.06 | fatpelt | enouf: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 05:20.10 | tkooda | I see. thanks. |
| 05:20.21 | tkooda | cheers. thanks #debian! |
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| 05:22.48 | madd_matt | I just added 2 much faster drives to my system in RAID-0. Can I shrink my ext3 filesystem and partition to add a swap partition, or would it be simpler to use a swapfile? |
| 05:23.10 | liable | swap file is easier |
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| 05:23.29 | madd_matt | I know, but is it as fast? |
| 05:23.35 | liable | and depending what you read, just as fast |
| 05:23.40 | peterS | madd_matt: I don't think the speed difference is noticeable |
| 05:23.46 | liable | you beat me to it :P |
| 05:23.56 | madd_matt | okay. I've been told i may take a considerable CPU hit from using a swapfile. |
| 05:24.03 | enouf | fatpelt: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 firstly |
| 05:24.14 | peterS | I think in kernel 2.0 it was somewhat slower but the speed difference was basically fixed quite awhile ago |
| 05:24.15 | madd_matt | Although, that was a long time ago, with a 2.2 kernel on a pentium 133mhz :P |
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| 05:24.56 | liable | hehe, *everything* will make a cpu performance hit on that! :) |
| 05:25.51 | peterS | madd_matt: the thing is, swap performance is pretty much all about the speed of your disk - disks are _so_ much slower than CPUs that even if there's a significant CPU hit when you swap, you'll never notice it. by the time you're swapping you won't be waiting on the CPU anyway |
| 05:25.51 | madd_matt | and with a mere 32mb of ram, running X needed a swapfile :P |
| 05:26.25 | madd_matt | peterS, of course, you're completely right. Sometimes i get stuck in pentium 133 mode :P |
| 05:26.26 | fatpelt | enouf: so that will push me to the non-xen 2.6.18 which *should* still boot my system and removfe the 2.6.8 image |
| 05:26.29 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:26.45 | kupesoft | Anyway to get the output of a "write" to me to pipe to a text file? |
| 05:27.12 | enouf | fatpelt: no .. it's meant to resolve the removal of 2.6.8-x-x when you upgrade |
| 05:27.44 | hark | kupesoft: write to you? stdout? |
| 05:27.54 | fatpelt | enouf: but when i apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 the REMOVED line includes kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 05:28.31 | enouf | fatpelt: really? .. you just tried it I gather? |
| 05:28.41 | fatpelt | enouf: indeed i did |
| 05:29.02 | kupesoft | hark: If someone does "write myuser" |
| 05:29.10 | fatpelt | enouf: REMOVED -- base-config hotplug initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 05:29.12 | kupesoft | hark: How can I get that to always write to a text file? |
| 05:29.15 | peterS | hark: if you don't know what the 'write' utility is, you won't be able to answer his question |
| 05:29.22 | magyar | is kernel.org down? |
| 05:29.23 | peterS | kupesoft: I'm pretty sure you can't |
| 05:29.29 | enouf | fatpelt: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && install kernel-image-2.6-686 firstly |
| 05:29.31 | kupesoft | peterS: bollocks! |
| 05:29.33 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I can't think of any way either |
| 05:29.43 | fatpelt | magyar: i can hit it fine |
| 05:29.44 | dondelelcaro | write is kind of old and not very featured |
| 05:29.47 | enouf | fatpelt: erm try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 firstly |
| 05:29.50 | fatpelt | magyar: a little slow, but yeah |
| 05:29.51 | hark | kupesoft: ah i get it |
| 05:29.54 | peterS | "kind of old". yeah. |
| 05:29.57 | yani | can anyone recommend a site that would detail some different "unsupported" debian installers (not debian based distros) ? |
| 05:30.17 | fatpelt | enouf: i assume i should remove my unstable sources first right ? |
| 05:30.17 | yani | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.21 | magyar | fatpelt: i just got it, last night, nada |
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| 05:30.38 | dondelelcaro | yani: I don't really understand what you're looking for; d-i is pretty much the only installer used. |
| 05:30.53 | dondelelcaro | yani: if you want something else, you generally get a custom bootdisk and bootstrap manually. |
| 05:31.11 | peterS | yani: I think the unofficial installers like PGI have pretty much gone stale now that the official debian-installer is of production quality |
| 05:31.30 | enouf | fatpelt: ahh .. yes .. initrd is for 2.6.8 .. whereas initramfs if fior later kernels .. however I have all atleast 3 kernels on mine from upgrading .. 2.6.8-2-386 // 2.6.8-3-686 // 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 05:31.32 | yani | dondelelcaro, the last time I installed (woody), I used an installer iso that was sort of put together independantly (debian-xfs) It autoconfigured quite a bit more than the standard woody installer did. |
| 05:31.48 | peterS | yani: if you haven't installed since woody, you're in for a surprise |
| 05:32.14 | peterS | yani: the official installer changed drastically with sarge, and the upcoming etch installer has incremental improvements on that |
| 05:32.15 | enouf | fatpelt: yes .. undstable source for a sarge kernel will most certainly cause you issues, as you're finding out |
| 05:32.28 | yani | okay, sounds good :) |
| 05:32.42 | GeorgeS069 | which kernel package should I use for an AMD Sempron CPU? |
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| 05:33.04 | peterS | Sempron is a form of K7, no? |
| 05:33.32 | GeorgeS069 | peterS,not sure...that is why I asked :) |
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| 05:34.11 | peterS | GeorgeS069: what does this tell you? grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 05:34.21 | grendal_prime | anyone use acidrip? |
| 05:34.36 | twobitsp1ite | are there any settings about what kind of stuff gets logged to the console? |
| 05:34.46 | grendal_prime | i really like it and it works well, but the progress box..shows absolutly nothing...while its ripping. |
| 05:34.56 | peterS | twobitsp1ite: there is /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 05:35.12 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: for ripping? |
| 05:35.16 | GeorgeS069 | model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+ |
| 05:35.20 | enouf | twobitsp1ite: maybe /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:35.22 | grendal_prime | movies? |
| 05:35.32 | liable | i tried crip the other day, nifty little script |
| 05:35.35 | peterS | GeorgeS069: and 'cpu family' (also in /proc/cpuinfo) is 6? |
| 05:35.59 | GeorgeS069 | peterS: 15 |
| 05:36.09 | enouf | fatpelt: do you have an Intel CPU? .. or an AMD? |
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| 05:36.25 | enouf | fatpelt: if AMD, is it a k6/k7 series? |
| 05:36.31 | bhagabhi | GeorgeS069: that is most defilnately a k7... |
| 05:36.34 | peterS | GeorgeS069: ahh, like the pentium 4. so I'm not sure if that's a k7 or a k8. it's definitely one of those, and the k7 kernel will work on it, but I can't remember if that's a 64-bit CPU or not |
| 05:37.05 | GeorgeS069 | peterS,it's not a 64 |
| 05:37.08 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yes |
| 05:37.10 | dondelelcaro | !+info jack |
| 05:37.13 | dpkg | jack: (Rip and encode CDs with one command), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.1.1+cvs20050801-14 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 05:37.20 | peterS | GeorgeS069: bhagabhi is right, then, it's a k7 |
| 05:37.43 | GeorgeS069 | Cool...thanks peterS and bhagabhi |
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| 05:38.08 | bhagabhi | no problem - (though I spell like I dont know what on the other hand... :) |
| 05:38.19 | fatpelt | enouf: i've got an older x86_64 |
| 05:38.20 | grendal_prime | thats cds not movies...i mean ..does it have a front end...i need something my wife can use |
| 05:38.23 | enouf | GeorgeS069: look at the flags in /prco/cpuinfo .. if you see 3dnow or sse3, pretty sure thats a AMD64, but your sempron doesn't appear so |
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| 05:39.02 | enouf | if it's not a 64, then it's a k7 or less |
| 05:39.05 | GeorgeS069 | How about a Duron?...it's Family: 6 |
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| 05:39.06 | liable | grendal_prime: if you dont mind gui, take a look at k9copy |
| 05:39.07 | fatpelt | enouf: i removed the unstable and got the metapackage installed, but when i added back unstable and tried to install initramfs-tools it still wants to remove .8 |
| 05:39.29 | enouf | fatpelt: stop adding back unstable .. doh! |
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| 05:40.01 | liable | grendal_prime: tried it when it first hit the repos, needed a little polish back then, but seemed to have potential |
| 05:40.06 | enouf | fatpelt: if you truly need some unstable pkgs use one of many other methods like pinning or -t unstable, etc |
| 05:40.09 | peterS | GeorgeS069: duron is k7 |
| 05:40.22 | GeorgeS069 | thanks again! |
| 05:40.49 | GeorgeS069 | I figured I should update these boxes...both run 686-smp right now:) |
| 05:41.16 | peterS | GeorgeS069: nothing wrong with a 686 kernel, it's not like there are _that_ many differences between pentium pro (the first 686) and AMD Athlon |
| 05:41.37 | peterS | I mean, sure, the chips have improved, but the instruction sets aren't all that different |
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| 05:41.46 | grendal_prime | liable: that does look cool..looks like it grabs the nav info of the cd as well. |
| 05:41.57 | grendal_prime | hmmm i wonder if it actually encodes it thoug |
| 05:42.13 | GeorgeS069 | I know...and they are just servers...no Xorg or anything fancy....I just want them "right"...one less thing to guess about when shit breaks |
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| 05:42.34 | liable | grendal_prime: to mpeg4? i think it just does like dvdshrink and recodes mpg2 |
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| 05:43.04 | peterS | GeorgeS069: well, since the k7 kernels are available I suppose you may as well use them. but honestly it won't matter much. |
| 05:43.32 | peterS | . o O ( Duron in a server? ) |
| 05:43.35 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not expecting any performance improvements |
| 05:43.38 | grendal_prime | ya but i wonder how big it is afterwards..see im kinda looking to save space as well...most movies compress down to about 600-700 megs. |
| 05:43.56 | grendal_prime | using mcoder via acidrip that is |
| 05:43.58 | liable | grendal_prime: yeah, thats encoding to mpg4 |
| 05:44.03 | GeorgeS069 | It's a backup system....keeps a copy of some db's and a few web sites |
| 05:44.10 | liable | grendal_prime: check the home page for it |
| 05:44.26 | enouf | fatpelt: or just dist-upgrade to etch entirely .. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 05:44.33 | grendal_prime | ialready installed it...straight up bro :-} |
| 05:45.13 | grendal_prime | by the way did i mention...etch fucking rocks...word... |
| 05:45.19 | fatpelt | enouf: apt-get -t unstable install initramfs-tools says it can't find initramfs-tools |
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| 05:45.38 | fatpelt | enouf: is 3.1 etch ? |
| 05:45.39 | grendal_prime | i got diehard windoes FREAKS at work looking at it going... hmmmm |
| 05:45.49 | enouf | !tell fatpelt -about apt howto |
| 05:46.08 | enouf | fatpelt: no Etch is 4.0 |
| 05:46.22 | enouf | !tell fatpelt -about releases |
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| 05:46.41 | enouf | I have to go for a bit .. bbl |
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| 05:46.58 | fatpelt | enouf: ah. i downloaded the stable 3.1 and thought it was the latest. i guess etch isn't considered stable yet |
| 05:47.21 | peterS | fatpelt: correct |
| 05:47.50 | peterS | fatpelt: it was supposed to have been released by now, but we can never quite release on time. a problem we've been trying to solve for about 10 years now |
| 05:48.19 | fatpelt | peterS: no probs. i just assumed a little too much :) |
| 05:48.35 | fatpelt | so you all would *consider* etch stable then ? |
| 05:48.54 | liable | close enough |
| 05:48.59 | peterS | fatpelt: I don't consider apache2 of release quality yet. the rest of it is more or less OK. (and I say this as one of the apache2 maintainers.) |
| 05:49.01 | liable | i think anyway.. |
| 05:49.27 | fatpelt | peterS: heh. makes me want to downgrade our work servers ;) |
| 05:49.42 | peterS | fatpelt: well, apache2 standing alone is pretty much OK, it's the upgrades from sarge to etch that break in ways I'd still like to try to fix. |
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| 05:50.18 | peterS | fatpelt: ideally, admins won't even notice the move from apache 2.0 to apache 2.2. in practice, there's no way to keep things from breaking, but we'll try our best to minimize the damage |
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| 05:51.11 | fatpelt | peterS: ah so your comment on apache2 was specifically pointed at 2.2 then ? |
| 05:51.18 | peterS | fatpelt: we take smooth upgrades very seriously in debian, this is why I'm bothered by the state of apache right now |
| 05:51.56 | peterS | fatpelt: yeah, 2.2 in etch is not quite compatible (in terms of available modules, and config file stuff) with 2.0 in sarge. so some people will have to RTFM and fix their configs a bit |
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| 05:52.52 | fatpelt | peterS: ah. i'm ok then :) |
| 05:53.23 | peterS | fatpelt: yeah if you have apache 2.2 up with a working configuration, you're fine. I don't know of any specific problems with the software itself, I'm only worried about providing smooth upgrades. |
| 05:53.25 | GeorgeS069 | you guys take all the time you need...I'd rather have it stable and smooth :) |
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| 05:53.53 | peterS | well, I mean, I don't know of any _serious_ problems with the software itself. there are obviously some bugs in apache2 besides upgrade issues, most of them just aren't all that bad |
| 05:54.06 | fatpelt | peterS: thankfully i don't have any of that up yet. that's supposed to go in a xen vm on this box, but i can't get the kernel to boot it right without initramfs-tools and i can't get that installed....... etc. |
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| 05:55.38 | grendal_prime | night guys |
| 05:55.57 | grendal_prime | girls :-;??? |
| 05:56.12 | GeorgeS069 | lol...girls in #debian? |
| 05:56.20 | itchi | grendal_prime: And the travelos? |
| 05:56.23 | GeorgeS069 | goodnight grendal_prime |
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| 05:56.54 | peterS | there may be a few |
| 05:57.17 | GeorgeS069 | Oh I know...just joking...I'm sure there's a few that come in |
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| 05:58.29 | liable | hrm, Phated has deserted us |
| 05:58.34 | liable | !seen Phated |
| 05:58.35 | dpkg | phated <n=phated@unaffiliated/phated> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 6h 19m 33s ago, saying: 'So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic.'. |
| 05:58.48 | bib | hahahaha |
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| 06:02.25 | cryosphere | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.37 | liable | cryosphere: use pastebin.ca in future, tis much quicker |
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| 06:04.49 | itchi | cryosphere: Ubuntu trouble? |
| 06:04.57 | cryosphere | itchi: not really |
| 06:05.01 | itchi | line 46 |
| 06:05.10 | cryosphere | this was an issue with kanotix as well |
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| 06:05.29 | itchi | cryosphere: us can not help about that |
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| 06:05.37 | liable | jesus christ, i am still waiting for the page to load |
| 06:05.40 | cryosphere | go to line 144 |
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| 06:06.53 | itchi | cryosphere: Just kill what already use it?? |
| 06:06.53 | cryosphere | dont even bother reading anything up to line 144 |
| 06:06.57 | itchi | cryosphere: i'm on it |
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| 06:07.04 | cryosphere | itchi: I not sure what you mean |
| 06:07.08 | itchi | ... There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 134993416 |
| 06:07.12 | sitexec | heres my question, on a laptop with ATI Rage mobility, i select the ati rage driver, but whatever i do, it screen only displays a smaller square of the monitor in the center, so there is basically a two inch black border of un-used screen on all sides, anyway to fix this? |
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| 06:07.45 | itchi | cryosphere: Somethings already use it, maybe it have lockup or whatever, just kill it it with the 'kill' command, you got the pid 134993416 |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | sitexec: sounds to me like you specified the wrong screen resolution |
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| 06:08.24 | sitexec | peterS, i did 1024xwhatever and i know the monitor can do that.. |
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| 06:08.58 | itchi | sitexec: Need you to play with the special mode lines?? |
| 06:09.01 | cryosphere | itchi - so you are saying there is a process i have to kill in order to connect to the internet every time? |
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| 06:09.19 | sitexec | i will try to delete all other modes... |
| 06:09.22 | itchi | cryosphere: Yup, like he complain about it, that's your error you got |
| 06:09.37 | itchi | cryosphere: Line 155 |
| 06:10.27 | cryosphere | well itchi even though it said that I could still connect to the internet |
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| 06:10.38 | sitexec | deleted unused modes, restarting... |
| 06:10.44 | cryosphere | this is after I reboot |
| 06:10.46 | itchi | cryosphere: And you can go on internet? |
| 06:11.12 | cryosphere | like I described in pastebin, I can but ONLY after I reboot |
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| 06:12.13 | sitexec | nope, same display error, only displaying in a small box leaving a large black border |
| 06:12.16 | cryosphere | so i was able to get online even after whatever happened on line 155 happened |
| 06:12.43 | liable | cryosphere: try removing the auto line, then run ifup. looks like the networking script isnt getting a lease first time round |
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| 06:12.57 | liable | cryosphere: but really, you ahould ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:13.00 | itchi | sitexec: You need to play with these special mode lines, to adjust your screen to left, right, bottom, top, stretch .. |
| 06:13.00 | unlink | i've got an external hard drive that i'd like to automount the first partition of to /backup whenever linux notices that it's attached to the computer. how do i achieve this? |
| 06:13.13 | sitexec | itchi and what do i use to do that |
| 06:13.16 | liable | ivman? |
| 06:13.20 | liable | unlink: ^^ |
| 06:13.33 | cryosphere | ok, you realize this problem happens if was to put in , say, a live slackware cd |
| 06:13.41 | cryosphere | or a live debian cd for that matter |
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| 06:14.00 | cryosphere | thanks |
| 06:14.01 | sitexec | is there an X11 application to use? |
| 06:14.07 | itchi | sitexec: dunno if i have a direct link about that, not realy experience myself about it, a friend had need to do that ... |
| 06:14.19 | unlink | liable: i'm using gnome, is there a way to configure it through gnome? (i know gnome uses hal...) |
| 06:14.36 | cryosphere | liable - you mean the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
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| 06:14.44 | liable | unlink: possibly, though i dont know, try asking the gnome folks |
| 06:14.51 | sitexec | i know kde has an app to change it, im not really sure why its doing this |
| 06:15.02 | liable | cryosphere: yep. i dunno if it will help, but try it |
| 06:15.31 | liable | cryosphere: also, if that fails, just ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
| 06:15.39 | liable | try it with the basic tools to see what happens |
| 06:15.41 | itchi | sitexec: Maybe in your bios, you can define to strech the screen, it's the same way |
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| 06:16.42 | itchi | sitexec: It's just some stuff you need to add in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 06:16.48 | sitexec | i will try to adjust in kde, its quite strange |
| 06:17.02 | sitexec | itchi its still using XF86 |
| 06:17.34 | itchi | sitexec: Yeah, not realy matters |
| 06:17.49 | itchi | sitexec: It's somethings like this http://www.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=ConfigFilesxorgdualtftati (after a quick google search) |
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| 06:18.43 | itchi | sitexec: My friend is not online right now :-s |
| 06:18.43 | sitexec | hmmm |
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| 06:19.47 | sitexec | woah, its running 800x600 even though its only mode to use in config is 1024x768 |
| 06:19.52 | itchi | sitexec: Dunno where you get the right values from, there's a tool for but ... i dunno :-) |
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| 06:20.21 | liable | sitexec: read the x log then, theres prolly a reason for it, like bad sync values |
| 06:20.47 | itchi | sitexec: You have copy & paste of that site or so? |
| 06:21.37 | unlink | does the stock debian kernel have autofs? |
| 06:22.13 | itchi | unlink: modprobe -L autofs ?? |
| 06:22.32 | liable | -l |
| 06:22.46 | unlink | true |
| 06:23.01 | itchi | ow, yeah sorry, lower l |
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| 06:30.54 | sitexec | is there a specific driver for laptop monitors, should i not be using vga? |
| 06:31.18 | liable | depends on your graphic chip |
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| 06:31.50 | sitexec | ati rage m3 using r128 driver |
| 06:31.56 | sitexec | it wont let me go above 800x600 |
| 06:32.08 | liable | did you read the log? |
| 06:32.11 | hark | what driver did you pick? |
| 06:32.20 | hark | ah, wait.. |
| 06:32.25 | liable | did it say why it was failing at higher resolutions? |
| 06:32.51 | liable | 15:20 < liable> sitexec: read the x log then, theres prolly a reason for it, like bad sync values |
| 06:32.51 | itchi | sitexec: Did you copy & paste that example i showed you?? |
| 06:33.08 | itchi | deja vue :-) |
| 06:33.31 | sitexec | its using vesa driver, only one small error in xlog that shows nothing, and the example you gave me has almost nothing to do with this |
| 06:33.42 | itchi | sitexec: It's normal then |
| 06:33.55 | liable | sitexec: put your log on a pastebot |
| 06:33.55 | hark | sitexec: that's the reason then |
| 06:34.12 | itchi | sitexec: Use anoter driver |
| 06:34.37 | sitexec | its not in /etc/X11/XF86Config how do i change vesa? |
| 06:35.13 | sitexec | says vesa bios detected, ati mobile m3, loads it from there |
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| 06:36.23 | sitexec | will post... |
| 06:36.59 | itchi | sitexec: cat /etc/X11/XF86Config | grep Driver |
| 06:37.18 | sitexec | says vesa not using built-in mode 1024........ (width too large for virtual size) |
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| 06:37.38 | hark | !uuoc |
| 06:37.38 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 06:37.50 | enouf | heh |
| 06:37.52 | hark | heh, enouf |
| 06:37.54 | itchi | I like my poussy cat :-) |
| 06:38.11 | enouf | I thought that said jimpoop signing off :-p |
| 06:38.16 | sitexec | there is no vesa as driver in XF86Config |
| 06:38.28 | enouf | sitexec: why not ati driver? |
| 06:38.45 | hark | XF86Config-4, iirc |
| 06:38.51 | itchi | sitexec: Pastebin your stuff |
| 06:38.56 | enouf | yep -4 |
| 06:39.01 | sitexec | there is r128 which is the ati driver |
| 06:39.04 | itchi | It's near blue magic soo |
| 06:39.19 | sitexec | im trying to pastebin, its hard when my resolution is 800x600 lol |
| 06:39.24 | enouf | don't let out the blue smoke though itchi :-0 |
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| 06:39.37 | itchi | enouf: :-p |
| 06:39.46 | sitexec | http://pastebin.ca/325453 |
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| 06:40.40 | itchi | sitexec: And your config file? |
| 06:40.49 | sitexec | hold |
| 06:41.10 | Bogus8 | where is the name of your computer get stored? |
| 06:41.33 | enouf | Bogus8: which name hostname? |
| 06:41.36 | sitexec | http://pastebin.ca/325454 |
| 06:41.47 | enouf | type hostname |
| 06:41.53 | Bogus8 | enouf: the name next to the command prompt, the host name... all of the above |
| 06:42.10 | Guerin | /etc/hostname, bizarrely |
| 06:42.19 | hugo_ | how can I make user accounts with an uid below 1000 also show up in the gnome user-admin gui? all accounts above uid 499. |
| 06:42.23 | enouf | user@host .. I know hostname calls it .. where it's stored .. haven't looked |
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| 06:42.35 | Bogus8 | damn |
| 06:42.36 | sitexec | should i choose a diff chipset? |
| 06:42.45 | Bogus8 | enouf: know how to change it? |
| 06:42.47 | enouf | heh .. think simple silly |
| 06:42.48 | Bogus8 | maybe a command? |
| 06:43.22 | hark | try "ati" instead |
| 06:43.22 | itchi | sitexec: Line 367 |
| 06:43.33 | Bogus8 | enouf: yeah I see that |
| 06:43.35 | enouf | hugo_: /usr/bin/gnome-control-center maybe |
| 06:43.38 | sitexec | change to.... ati? |
| 06:43.38 | itchi | sitexec: And use maybe 24 depth color?? |
| 06:43.45 | liable | sitexec: what distro are you using? |
| 06:43.48 | enouf | I know kde c c can alter that |
| 06:43.58 | itchi | liable: ubuntu |
| 06:44.08 | itchi | liable: Trash that |
| 06:44.22 | sitexec | debian |
| 06:44.23 | enouf | haha .. change it tehe gnubooboo driver |
| 06:44.26 | itchi | That was the previous :-) |
| 06:44.42 | liable | sitexec: i havent seen a debian xfree conf like that before |
| 06:44.56 | sitexec | i did base install, installed desktop, got this |
| 06:45.23 | enouf | !tell sitexec about testing borks |
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| 06:46.04 | liable | enouf: eh, he's not on testing if he has xfree |
| 06:46.07 | hark | enouf: it's sarge |
| 06:46.08 | itchi | sitexec: You have some /duplicated/ stuff in that config |
| 06:46.18 | enouf | doh .. ok folks .. apologies |
| 06:46.28 | enouf | lindenle: atill think it's not debian though? |
| 06:46.34 | enouf | er liable |
| 06:46.42 | enouf | still* |
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| 06:47.09 | sitexec | hmm, maybe i should just go from sarge to etch and get xorg instead? |
| 06:47.10 | liable | enouf: only for the fact that the file looks very weird to me. |
| 06:47.27 | enouf | liable: could be one of the many variants |
| 06:47.34 | itchi | sitexec: No, clean your config file |
| 06:47.46 | liable | sitexec: did you use xf86config to make that file? |
| 06:47.51 | sitexec | yes |
| 06:47.55 | enouf | !xmd5 |
| 06:47.56 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 06:47.59 | hark | sitexec: that's not a custom conf? |
| 06:48.00 | liable | oh, it even says so |
| 06:48.07 | sitexec | nope |
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| 06:48.55 | liable | sitexec: remove the file. then do 'touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' the do the xmd5 thing as per above |
| 06:49.13 | liable | sitexec: then use dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:49.20 | liable | sitexec: then use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:49.49 | hark | yikes, messy stuff. |
| 06:50.47 | sitexec | k.. |
| 06:51.22 | liable | sitexec: at any rate, if its a personal laptop, i would just upgrade to etch personally |
| 06:52.07 | sitexec | im gonna update then try that =] |
| 06:52.08 | sitexec | brb |
| 06:52.18 | enouf | but do a update and upgrade prior to the dist-upgrade sitexec .. if you go to etch .. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 06:56.35 | garotosopa | where the scripts in /etc/init.d called from? I want a script to be called on startup... how should I do? |
| 06:56.51 | enouf | read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 06:56.57 | garotosopa | thanks ;) |
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| 06:57.19 | enouf | read the README too |
| 06:57.32 | garotosopa | ohh that's it. I haven't noticed there was a README there :P |
| 06:57.54 | enouf | garotosopa: a ton more info about he startup process is in the debian reference |
| 06:58.03 | enouf | !reference |
| 06:58.03 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
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| 06:59.18 | hugo_ | what is the dip group for? |
| 06:59.38 | enouf | a place to bob the schitts :-P |
| 07:00.30 | hark | !dip |
| 07:00.30 | dpkg | The three rules of dip are: 1) Dip is for dipping. 2) Dip is only to be used for dipping. 3) It's fun to dip when you're dipping. |
| 07:00.48 | enouf | dunno .. dail in provider .. ? |
| 07:00.53 | enouf | er dial |
| 07:01.07 | enouf | Do It in Pairs? |
| 07:01.58 | hark | Dialup IP |
| 07:02.16 | Guerin | it's for modems |
| 07:03.04 | hark | "Being in group dip allows you to use a tool such as ppp, dip, wvdial, etc. to dial up a connection." |
| 07:03.33 | liable | i dont remember seeing that group before.. is it newish? |
| 07:03.40 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:03.42 | Guerin | ancient |
| 07:03.42 | stew | no |
| 07:03.56 | Guerin | if you never used ppp and a modem to dial out, you won't have seen it |
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| 07:04.06 | liable | i have used it for years :P |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:04.23 | stew | now i use it for pptp (via pppd) |
| 07:04.37 | hugo_ | so what is the difference between the group dialup and the dip group then? |
| 07:04.44 | Guerin | dunno |
| 07:04.53 | hugo_ | and the video group, what is it meant for? |
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| 07:05.07 | liable | hugo_: dialup doesnt let you run pppd, i know that.. |
| 07:05.10 | enouf | cat /usr/share/aptitude/function_groups is interesting .. yet no dip :-( |
| 07:05.41 | stew | hugo_: access to video input/output devices |
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| 07:06.27 | liable | i recall a recent changelog about plugdev for cameras too. |
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| 07:06.46 | enouf | hrm .. wonder what the dialout group does, allows for that dip may not ... dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 07:07.10 | enouf | above is the list my default user is in |
| 07:07.22 | hark | dip users cannot configure the modem etc. Just access |
| 07:07.55 | hark | dialout would be for full access or something |
| 07:08.09 | enouf | hark: it's all coming together now :-0 |
| 07:08.26 | liable | nope, dialout lets you do fuck all |
| 07:08.39 | liable | pon or wvdial doesnt work for dialout users |
| 07:08.54 | liable | unless you mess with other shizzle |
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| 07:11.00 | liable | that shits me actually, i remember trying to run wvdial as user about two years ago, and never saw anything mentioned about dip group |
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| 07:17.49 | teledyn | anyone here experienced with apt-build? |
| 07:18.05 | teledyn | it seems to be ignoring the CC flags i put in apt-build.conf |
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| 07:23.54 | karsten | unlink: You get yourself sorted? |
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| 07:24.50 | karsten | Guerin: You need a vacation. |
| 07:25.02 | Guerin | karsten: why? |
| 07:25.03 | karsten | Guerin: Considered backpacking across Asia? |
| 07:25.07 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:25.12 | karsten | Guerin: /lastlog unlink |
| 07:25.20 | Guerin | i'd go and do it again tomorrow if I had the money |
| 07:26.08 | Guerin | karsten: hm, i don't get it |
| 07:26.21 | Guerin | not the dollar |
| 07:26.27 | karsten | Guerin: I was sending you the money ... |
| 07:26.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:26.36 | Guerin | ACK |
| 07:26.39 | Guerin | oops |
| 07:26.42 | Guerin | $ACK |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | karsten: same issue as ever. People not understanding that a poll isn't the same as a useful question. |
| 07:27.38 | karsten | Guerin: There are nicer ways to break the news. |
| 07:27.48 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 07:38.13 | idan | how can i add existing user to group? |
| 07:38.21 | karsten | idan: man adduser |
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| 07:38.58 | idan | this will add a new user, and with -g into a group no? i need to add existing user.. |
| 07:39.32 | karsten | idan: man adduser. |
| 07:39.48 | karsten | idan: last item in SYNOPSIS section. |
| 07:41.25 | idan | t |
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| 07:41.33 | karsten | w |
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| 07:42.04 | Guerin | karsten: nolisting on /. |
| 07:42.10 | karsten | Guerin: ? |
| 07:42.30 | Guerin | karsten: purposeful Connection Refused on port 25 of primary MX host |
| 07:42.51 | Guerin | karsten: so that legitimate servers try secondary, and spammers go blergh |
| 07:43.00 | karsten | Yeah, just saw that. |
| 07:43.14 | karsten | It'll work for ~6 months. Maybe a year. |
| 07:43.21 | Guerin | karsten: i did this a month ago, and noticed no difference over greylisting, but I've just disabled greylisting to see if it makes a difference on its own |
| 07:43.25 | Guerin | right. |
| 07:44.18 | Dewi | Guerin: urgh. as if I don't have enough problems with DNS caching odd failures and things |
| 07:44.39 | Guerin | Dewi: seems fair to me |
| 07:44.40 | stew | i get just as much if not more spam on the secondairy mx than the primary last i looked |
| 07:44.49 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:45.11 | Guerin | but if this could drop your spam bny 50%, wouldn't it be nice? |
| 07:45.18 | Dewi | most of my spam seems to come without MX |
| 07:45.19 | Guerin | (of course, it won't, but ...) |
| 07:45.28 | Dewi | at least, it comes to all sorts of different zones we host |
| 07:45.39 | Guerin | Dewi: just delivered to IPs? |
| 07:45.44 | karsten | One observation I've heard is that spammers hit secondaries on the belief that 1) they aren't as effectively filtered as primaries and 2) primaries won't filter their own secondaries. |
| 07:45.52 | Guerin | karsten: right |
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| 07:45.58 | Dewi | Guerin: somehow they seem to have a list of all the zones we're serving |
| 07:46.02 | karsten | Guerin: Note the presence of "if" in that statement;-) |
| 07:46.18 | Dewi | Guerin: and then they just try random and web-crawled prefixes |
| 07:46.38 | Guerin | karsten: the main thing being that, if the primary is actually the host which holds the accounts, a secondary won't necessarily have them and will accept *@bar.org |
| 07:46.44 | Guerin | Dewi: mm. |
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| 07:47.21 | karsten | Guerin: Right. |
| 07:47.35 | karsten | Guerin: corrolary: provision your secondaries like your primaries. |
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| 07:48.10 | Guerin | karsten: exactly. And distribute your accounts to a central machine such that all MX hosts can do the ssame checks. |
| 07:48.29 | Dewi | Guerin: you'd have to use a low timeout |
| 07:48.42 | Dewi | Guerin: otherwise the eventual response is going to get cached just upstream of you |
| 07:49.30 | Guerin | yes, I suppose so. |
| 07:49.39 | Dewi | Guerin: are you talking about secondary MX or secondary NS? |
| 07:49.55 | Guerin | MX |
| 07:50.12 | Dewi | oh. so like... a lower priority MX record? |
| 07:50.20 | Guerin | but it does hold, since if your mail server lags in doing lookups to, say, a ldap server, it'll cause grief |
| 07:50.27 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:50.46 | Guerin | not invalid A records in NS, that would be stupid |
| 07:51.09 | Dewi | Guerin: I thought you meant one of the NSes would go down or something :P |
| 07:51.14 | Guerin | nah, fuck that |
| 07:51.44 | Dewi | Guerin: I guess it basically works... I worry about bad implementations choking on it, but same can be said for anything involving mail |
| 07:52.05 | Dewi | Guerin: I love the whole situation... no two mail relays seem to work quite the same way, and yet we're pushing every spec to the limit to try to differentiate spammers |
| 07:52.29 | Guerin | are there any legitimate MTAs which won't try a second MX host, per rfc2841 or whichever it is? |
| 07:52.46 | Guerin | Dewi: yes, it's the definition of an arms race. |
| 07:52.58 | Dewi | but I keep getting this horrible feeling that spammers are going to be more likely to run a decent MTA than most of the shitty cheap ISPs around here |
| 07:53.20 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:53.26 | Supaplex | !flame spammers |
| 07:53.26 | dpkg | spammers: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
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| 07:54.08 | hark | !spamsmite Supaplex |
| 07:54.08 | sep | Dewi, spammers usuly dont invest the time needed to run a decent mta. since it will be in the blocklists in a fwe houers |
| 07:54.50 | Dewi | sep: aptitude install rfc-compliant-mta ? |
| 07:55.20 | sep | Dewi, and a static ip range with proper revers and forward |
| 07:55.27 | Guerin | sep: but all it takes is a little bit of code, and then they can sell servers which are `IMMUNE TO ALL KNOWN FILTERING TECHNIQUES!!!' |
| 07:55.29 | karsten | Dewi: I'm sorta with you there. |
| 07:55.37 | Guerin | (you think spammers don't use spam on each other?) |
| 07:56.09 | sep | i expect spammers dont read mail. |
| 07:56.17 | Guerin | no |
| 07:56.19 | karsten | sep: s/ mail// |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | they spam by other methods |
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| 07:57.23 | cat | hey to put something on startx to startup how do i do it? |
| 07:57.26 | cat | is it .xsessions? |
| 07:57.35 | cat | the file called? |
| 07:57.36 | karsten | cat: .xinitrc / .xsession |
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| 07:57.45 | karsten | cat: ... or man startx ;-) |
| 07:58.44 | pinky | man pages are for losers |
| 07:59.12 | disposable | pinky, you should definitely read them |
| 07:59.21 | disposable | pinky, all |
| 07:59.27 | karsten | pinky: Strike one. |
| 07:59.33 | Guerin | batter up! |
| 07:59.37 | teledyn | anyone here experienced with apt-build? |
| 07:59.39 | teledyn | it seems to be ignoring the CC flags i put in apt-build.conf |
| 07:59.51 | Guerin | enouf: except email is *useful* |
| 08:00.14 | enouf | Guerin: hence the closeness only.. |
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| 08:00.31 | cat | is starting gnome by default |
| 08:00.37 | deb_noob | can anyone help me? I just installed a bunch of ttf fonts and other font packages in an attempt to add fonts, and now a lot of programs's fonts are warped. |
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| 08:01.50 | teledyn | deb_noob: dpkg-reconfigure -plow defoma ? |
| 08:02.21 | RvGaTe | good morning debian |
| 08:02.27 | cat | nice |
| 08:02.31 | deb_noob | teledyn: nah that didn't work |
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| 08:03.00 | teledyn | deb_noob: warped how? |
| 08:03.26 | teledyn | deb_noob: and which apps? |
| 08:03.36 | litage | should a custom shell/perl/whatever script be installed into /usr/local/bin/ or a different directory? |
| 08:03.48 | deb_noob | all apps look fuzzy |
| 08:03.52 | teledyn | litage: or ~/bin |
| 08:03.54 | deb_noob | the font looks wrong |
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| 08:04.46 | teledyn | gnome or kde apps or both? |
| 08:05.06 | deb_noob | i only use kde |
| 08:05.15 | deb_noob | i mean i don't use gnome on this computer |
| 08:05.18 | teledyn | deb_noob: did you try kcontrol font section? |
| 08:05.21 | deb_noob | yes |
| 08:05.30 | teledyn | deb_noob: are you on a laptop or lcd panel? |
| 08:06.28 | deb_noob | lcd |
| 08:06.36 | deb_noob | i think it was one of the x11 font converters |
| 08:06.45 | teledyn | deb_noob: enable sub-pixel hinting in the kcontrol font setup. |
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| 08:07.41 | teledyn | check the "use anti-aliasing" and then "configure" |
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| 08:10.56 | deb_noob | teledyn: i think that part is configured properly |
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| 08:11.13 | teledyn | deb_noob: what's there to think. either its enabled or it isn't. |
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| 08:12.31 | Blackhold | hello, I'm trying to install a debian into a machine that has a sata dvdrom and a raid1 with two sata hd. But it says could not install, I'm using a daily from august |
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| 08:13.19 | teledyn | Blackhold: why not use 23 january? |
| 08:13.52 | enouf | deb_noob: if kcontrol can't clear it up , then man fc <tab><tab> and se the manpages about the various font settings/caches .. also note your /etc/X11/X* config file loads various font servers or not, and contains paths for fallback |
| 08:14.08 | Blackhold | teledyn: was the only disk that I had |
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| 08:14.20 | Blackhold | teledyn: is it solved in newest versions? |
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| 08:14.49 | teledyn | Blackhold: no idea, but i would try that first before anything |
| 08:14.56 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 08:15.19 | Blackhold | what was the url for etch downloads? I could never remember how it was... |
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| 08:15.36 | teledyn | Blackhold: just go to debian.org and find it |
| 08:15.57 | kakalto | if my clock is currently configured to GMT, but I want it set to local, how do I change this? |
| 08:16.11 | enouf | Blackhold: enter install libata.atapi_enabled=1 at boot prompt |
| 08:16.31 | teledyn | !gmt |
| 08:16.31 | dpkg | [utc] Universal Time Convention, aka GMT. In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
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| 08:16.47 | enouf | Blackhold: moer here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
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| 08:17.31 | kakalto | thanks, teledyn |
| 08:18.18 | enouf | kakalto: I think tzset and tzconfig is for that |
| 08:18.21 | kakalto | and how can I find out what the current system time is, and/or set it? |
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| 08:19.35 | kakalto | enouf: I only have tzselect |
| 08:19.36 | nvz | kakalto: man date |
| 08:19.36 | teledyn | kakakoka: date for system clock. hwclock for hw pc clock |
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| 08:20.05 | kakalto | thankyou very muchly =) |
| 08:20.30 | teledyn | kadath: i use this to set system and hwclock: sudo /usr/sbin/rdate -s tick.greyware.com; hwclock --systohc |
| 08:20.49 | teledyn | should be a sudo after the last command also |
| 08:21.35 | enouf | man tz |
| 08:21.35 | enouf | tzconfig tzfile tzselect tzset |
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| 08:22.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:22.18 | enouf | maybe sarge is different |
| 08:22.20 | teledyn | tzconfig will set the time zone, but not the GMT thing |
| 08:22.30 | Guerin | since disbling greylisting an hour ago, i have: |
| 08:22.34 | Guerin | N 21:41:52 Florence (4.4K) ***SPAM*** SEXUALLY EXPLICIT : Pretty in pigtails |
| 08:22.38 | Guerin | N 20:55:56 Autumn Begay (4.5K) ***SPAM*** sexy bl0nde babe play1ng w1th v1brat0r |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | N 18:28:35 Cameron (4.4K) ***SPAM*** Cute teen spreading her pussy |
| 08:22.48 | enouf | oo la la |
| 08:22.50 | Guerin | so I see what I've been missing all this time |
| 08:22.54 | cydork | o.0 |
| 08:23.06 | stew | Guerin: what did you go for? the pigtails? |
| 08:23.09 | cydork | damn i never get good spam! :P |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | stew: nah, I don't do kids |
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| 08:24.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | <Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit? <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :) Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it. |
| 08:24.11 | Guerin | probably the v1brat0r one |
| 08:24.14 | liable | !qotd1 |
| 08:24.14 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 08:24.20 | liable | bah, wrong one |
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| 08:24.30 | Shadur | ... Whoa. Did paypal's certificate expire or something? |
| 08:24.41 | Guerin | Shadur: haha |
| 08:24.49 | Guerin | Shadur: sure you haven't been phished? |
| 08:24.59 | Guerin | liable: classy. |
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| 08:25.41 | Shadur | Guerin: Fairly sure. It's the graphic of this comics tipping jar that caused the warning. |
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| 08:26.17 | teledyn | "The server's certificate chain is incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" |
| 08:26.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:26.39 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS! |
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| 08:26.44 | azrail | http://pastebin.ca/325492 |
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| 08:26.50 | azrail | why cant i install GNOME HA? |
| 08:27.40 | teledyn | quick everyone transfer me $100 |
| 08:27.40 | azrail | no |
| 08:28.16 | azrail | HELLO |
| 08:28.17 | azrail | ? |
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| 08:31.55 | Shadur | teledyn: You got it too? |
| 08:32.02 | azrail | no |
| 08:32.06 | teledyn | Shadur: yes see above |
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| 08:33.52 | Jemt | Greetz. I need a tool for "RTF to XML" conversion - any help would be appriciated :) |
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| 08:34.11 | Shadur | ... Odd. Neither of my non-linux-using cow-orkers have the problem. |
| 08:34.16 | Shadur | Jemt: openoffice.org |
| 08:34.51 | teledyn | maybe paypal will only work over protected path hardware and windows vista |
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| 08:35.12 | enouf | Jemt: apt-cache search xml2 |
| 08:35.17 | Jemt | Shadur: Great! |
| 08:35.29 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, I'll check out that one first :) |
| 08:35.53 | Guerin | teledyn: they lose. |
| 08:36.35 | teledyn | Guerin: no one's come up with a better substitute for them and ebay yet, though one is surely lacking |
| 08:36.51 | Guerin | *shrug* |
| 08:37.35 | fireba11 | true |
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| 08:40.17 | enouf | Jemt: also apt-cache search rtf shows stuff like "unrtf" .. I've never used any, but apt-cache show <pkgname> will yield a nice Description about each you may be interested in |
| 08:40.42 | Shadur | Guerin: Looks like the problem may be unique to debian right now. I'm checking. |
| 08:40.43 | Jemt | enouf: Great, because xml2 dosn't seem to be what I'm looking for |
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| 08:41.28 | teledyn | Shadur: i doubt it |
| 08:41.38 | enouf | Jemt: just showing you how to locate options :-) |
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| 08:41.48 | Jemt | enouf: I appriciate it :) |
| 08:42.06 | enouf | Jemt: openoffice may be best after all .. dunno .. but tis huge :-) |
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| 08:43.19 | Jemt | enouf: OpenOffice dosn't work - I have some RTF in clear text without headers, that I would like to turn into some sort of nested elements like HTML or XML. Must admit, that I'm thinking of just writing a simple Java/PHP application that does the work |
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| 08:48.36 | rxKaffee | how do I specify name of file to write to, if you start vim with no buffer name? |
| 08:48.37 | hellop | Kernel 2.6.8-2 is with sarge right? |
| 08:48.50 | hellop | how do I tell if I'm running sarge or etch? |
| 08:49.09 | liable | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:49.28 | hellop | 3.1 |
| 08:49.33 | liable | sarge |
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| 08:49.48 | hellop | ok |
| 08:49.50 | hellop | I see |
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| 08:50.11 | hellop | I think I'll upgrade |
| 08:50.14 | hellop | to etch |
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| 08:51.32 | enouf | hellop: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 08:51.51 | hellop | hmm |
| 08:51.58 | hellop | I wonder how long that will take |
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| 08:52.35 | enouf | Jemt: just guessing .. know nothing about languages .. but look at "ted" and maybe "postgresql-autodoc" , and there may be better alternatives |
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| 08:53.02 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, I'll check them out :) |
| 08:53.03 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 08:54.00 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 08:56.51 | zorton | what's up with gpdf in testing? anyone else noticed it's "missing"? |
| 08:58.07 | hark | there is a gpdf? |
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| 08:58.28 | zorton | yeah, nice little pdf app written using some of gnome's stuff |
| 08:58.48 | hellop | I kiss you netselect-apt |
| 08:59.22 | threat2 | netselect? |
| 09:00.01 | threat2 | The LVM setup tool that comes with the debian sarge installer, is that available in a standalone deb package? I quite liked it. |
| 09:00.24 | threat2 | or should I just use evmsn |
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| 09:01.14 | hark | zorton: hmm, try evince instead |
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| 09:04.00 | zorton | hark: i'll take a look thanks |
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| 09:09.03 | maxxle | Hello! I've problems with my alsa in debain/testing. I have a noise when playing music (random players with alsa). I tracked down the problemt to /var/lib/alsa/asount.state. The entries in this file (value.X) have the highest value. Is there a tool to graphical set these values? A mixer for example that can edit this file? |
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| 09:11.58 | hark | um, alsamixer? |
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| 09:16.01 | maxxle | hm... the file is rw only for root. I think i can't change it this way |
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| 09:28.33 | hellop | netselect-apt gave me a source for non-US that gives 403 Forbidden |
| 09:28.51 | hellop | Is there a way to test a source server? |
| 09:29.01 | maxxle | ok - i think i've found a solution. I use the alsamixer and after this i use 'alsactl store' (This must be done as root /usr/sbin/alsactl) This should help. |
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| 09:33.27 | tdn | I have a machine with 2 Xeon CPUs and 2GB RAM. I want my machine to use both CPUs and be able to use all of the RAM. Shouldn't it be enough to install kernel image 2.6.8-3-686-smp? Or should I also configure something in order to enable it? How do I check if it works? /proc/cpuinfo shows me four CPUs (HyperThreading) and free -m shows me ~2000M RAM (but I don't know if it will use all the RAM). |
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| 09:34.14 | blondie | tdn: i dont see why you'd need to do anything else |
| 09:34.36 | tdn | blondie, me neither. But how do I check if it actually works? |
| 09:34.45 | blondie | why wouldn't it? |
| 09:35.08 | blondie | do you have reason to believe it doesn't? |
| 09:35.10 | tdn | I don't know. It is just the owner of the machine that is complaining that it does not work. |
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| 09:37.41 | L4m3r | by chance, anyone fluent in Bash know how to make a script pause for some number of miliseconds? |
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| 09:38.48 | Giant_sea_turtle | !etch |
| 09:38.48 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:39.33 | tdn | L4m3r, only if that number is a multiplum of 1000. Then I'd use sleep :) |
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| 09:40.04 | L4m3r | sleep 1 ? |
| 09:40.11 | tdn | L4m3r, exactly |
| 09:40.23 | L4m3r | thx |
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| 09:50.09 | hellop | So, do I need to add non-US apt sources or what? |
| 09:52.08 | L4m3r | hm... for some reason my desktop pager has started launching when I start KDE |
| 09:52.47 | L4m3r | any way to get it to not do that? it halts the box when Beryl loads :( |
| 09:52.47 | MoDaX | hellop: non-us is obsolete |
| 09:53.18 | MoDaX | L4m3r: desktop pager. what is it? |
| 09:53.29 | L4m3r | the desktop switcher thing |
| 09:53.35 | L4m3r | it can also load in a window |
| 09:53.46 | L4m3r | and that window keeps coming up in addition to the panel applet |
| 09:54.30 | MoDaX | L4m3r: hmm, so kill the app and log off cleanly |
| 09:54.55 | L4m3r | worth a shot I guess |
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| 09:55.17 | hellop | netselect-apt --nonfree --ftp testing |
| 09:55.33 | L4m3r | stupid thing... it halts just as KDE is loading a bunch of user prefs, so a lot of appearance settings get hosed every time |
| 09:55.39 | hellop | does that seem right? it fails with "you are behind firewall" |
| 09:55.48 | hellop | but plain netselect-apt works |
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| 09:56.04 | hellop | MoDaX great thanks |
| 09:56.47 | MoDaX | L4m3r: beryl stuff is not well supported nor integated on kde. what do you expect? |
| 09:57.21 | MoDaX | hellop: remove non-us stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list if have it in there |
| 09:57.24 | MoDaX | !non-us |
| 09:57.24 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 09:59.12 | hellop | it is working! muahaha |
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| 09:59.57 | hellop | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:00.55 | hellop | I want to copy my Debian system from a hard drive to a 1GB solid state IDE drive |
| 10:01.19 | hellop | I could use dd but I'm afriad that won't work since the partition size is different. |
| 10:01.19 | hellop | You think just making the appropriate partitions and using cp will work? |
| 10:01.27 | hellop | Or do I have to boot from a live disk or something? |
| 10:01.31 | hellop | "live cd" |
| 10:02.24 | MoDaX | hellop: cp -a as root will do (except boot record) |
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| 10:03.42 | L4m3r | MoDaX: I was not surprised or anything- it is a superfluous feature (the window, I mean) |
| 10:03.49 | L4m3r | I just couldn't get rid of it |
| 10:04.05 | L4m3r | but, aha! the X does not quit the app ;) |
| 10:04.23 | MoDaX | L4m3r: kill -9 it |
| 10:04.35 | L4m3r | the quit option in the menu was sufficient |
| 10:04.54 | anuragj | q/uit |
| 10:05.04 | MoDaX | L4m3r: yes, because kde saves session by default |
| 10:05.04 | anuragj | ouch! |
| 10:05.09 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 10:05.30 | L4m3r | just turns out, X-ing out did not kill the app, so it was saved in the session |
| 10:05.56 | MoDaX | L4m3r: X'ing out as in ctrl+alt+backspace? :) |
| 10:06.09 | L4m3r | hehe |
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| 10:06.24 | L4m3r | hm... perhaps I should try reinstalling kicker-compiz |
| 10:06.49 | L4m3r | supposedly that helps with the beryl/KDE desktop weirdness |
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| 10:09.09 | hellop | MoDaX K tks |
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| 10:11.26 | anapivirtua_ | Mooh all |
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| 10:20.16 | zorcak | is there a command to specify del all files in a dir except one named 'a'? |
| 10:21.43 | zorcak | is there? |
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| 10:23.10 | hellop | zorcak ls --help |
| 10:23.20 | hellop | or ls -I a |
| 10:23.36 | zorcak | thks |
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| 10:26.36 | zorcak | hellop: i want to rm all files in a dir except one named 'a'. |
| 10:27.24 | teledyn | wow i just saw the gforge thing for debian packages. its really cool. |
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| 10:55.43 | rreck | is there a way to apt-get install BOTH apache-perl AND apache-ssl ? |
| 10:56.04 | Kerr | rreck: apt-get install apache-perl apache-ssl |
| 10:56.05 | Kerr | ? |
| 10:56.11 | idan | Kerr: beats me :S |
| 10:56.11 | Kerr | rreck: nice nick O.o |
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| 10:56.26 | rreck | my nick is my name |
| 10:56.33 | idan | lmao |
| 10:56.41 | rreck | i want a binary with both modperl and modssl |
| 10:57.02 | rreck | google for rreck and know more than you want to |
| 10:57.32 | Kerr | apt-get install apache-perl apache-ssl |
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| 10:59.34 | pumpkin0 | is there a linux edition/variant of the bridgebuilder game ? Thanks. |
| 10:59.51 | rreck | ty |
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| 11:10.53 | Bleupomme | Question: Where can I get a list of raid controllers that are recognized by the debian stable install kernel? |
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| 11:24.07 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a meta package which installs all needed for compiling and building C/C++ programs? gcc etc |
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| 11:29.13 | tralala | !test |
| 11:29.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:30.14 | azeem | fantomas: build-essential |
| 11:30.22 | fantomas | azeem: thanks |
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| 11:34.01 | xmb | !apt-file python mycrypt |
| 11:34.09 | aljaber | hi guys! |
| 11:34.31 | aljaber | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.03 | pumpkin0 | aljaber: you can change that limit to higher number if you like. |
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| 11:35.55 | aljaber | pumpkin0 : how is that? |
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| 11:38.55 | pumpkin0 | aljaber: http://www.linux.com/howtos/CDServer-HOWTO/addloops.shtml (same ting works with 2.6) |
| 11:39.43 | aljaber | pumpkin0: thanks |
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| 11:40.34 | pumpkin0 | aljaber: max is around 255 ... |
| 11:41.02 | aljaber | pumpkin0: thanks again! |
| 11:46.13 | liable | Bleupomme: this is for sata.. http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
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| 11:47.08 | liable | Bleupomme: i know its for the latest kernels, but i think it should give you a start at least |
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| 11:59.52 | praktikum | which exchange alternative can you suggest best for me? there are several others, i can't decide :/ |
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| 12:05.40 | minux | Hello debianers =) |
| 12:05.47 | minux | How up-to-date is the unstable stuff? |
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| 12:09.18 | praktikum | very |
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| 12:17.29 | cydork | minux: they dont call it *bleeding* edge for nothing. so if you have to you ask you should not even think about running unstable. :) |
| 12:17.42 | enouf | !break cydork |
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| 12:18.37 | enouf | thanks dpkg :-) |
| 12:18.38 | dpkg | no problem, enouf |
| 12:18.39 | cydork | enouf: what do you think it's running on? |
| 12:18.54 | minux | cydork: I've been using Linux since 1998 =) I have just never looked at Debian =) |
| 12:18.56 | enouf | fumes .. |
| 12:19.20 | enouf | minux: you must be blind |
| 12:19.40 | minux | enouf: Nah, I've been using Slackware and Crux =) |
| 12:19.52 | cydork | minux: comon open your eyes whenever you are ready! :) |
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| 12:20.16 | enouf | minux: familiarize yourself with the reference .. |
| 12:20.30 | enouf | !tell minux -about reference |
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| 12:20.55 | enouf | !tell minux -about apt howto |
| 12:21.09 | enouf | that to will help .. |
| 12:21.12 | minux | enouf: Thanks =) |
| 12:21.14 | enouf | er too* |
| 12:24.17 | Bleupomme | !tell Bleupomme -about apt howto |
| 12:24.30 | hellop | So, I'm trying to use the daily debian etch snapshot. However, apt seems to require a CDROM source. Is there a way to use the Internet instead? |
| 12:25.03 | enouf | Bleupomme: remove the - from -about .. BUT .. you should really use /msg dpkg search |
| 12:25.20 | cydork | hellop: remove the entry for cdrom from sources.list. and add the proper sources. |
| 12:25.39 | Bleupomme | hellop: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:26.09 | enouf | hellop: use expert or expertgui at the boot prompt |
| 12:26.24 | hellop | Bleu.. hmm trying to fix that |
| 12:26.50 | hellop | Everytime I use netselect-apt it chooses a stupid server that gets only 15k per second.. then debian.org gets 100k |
| 12:27.01 | hellop | I mean when |
| 12:27.06 | enouf | hellop: use apt-spy |
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| 12:27.23 | enouf | hellop: or select different mirrors |
| 12:27.32 | hellop | I dunno... the difference in the CD-ROM entry is that it has contrib |
| 12:27.52 | enouf | !tell hellop about contrib |
| 12:28.56 | hellop | I'm going to try to edit out the slow server from my mirrors_full file then rerun netselect-apt |
| 12:28.56 | enouf | hellop: that shouldn't matter for mirror speed |
| 12:28.56 | hellop | ftp.keystealth.org |
| 12:28.57 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 12:28.57 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 12:28.57 | pix3lek | Hi, I dont know how install *.rpm file in Debian. I installed "apt-rpm-repository" and "rpm", but this not help me |
| 12:28.58 | vlt | Hello. I moved a Debian installation that booted from /boot/grub on /dev/hda1 to a new disk and re-arranged partitions there: kernel is now in / on /dev/hda1 (I already tolf grub) and new / is on /dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 (I appended this as kopt in grub). When booting I get an error "cannot open dev/console" and kernel panic. Think it must be something I have to modify in initrd.img (which I haven't touched yet). Any hints for me? |
| 12:29.02 | pix3lek | :< |
| 12:29.39 | liable | pix3lek: you want 'alien' |
| 12:29.42 | cydork | pix3lek: dont do it! |
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| 12:30.25 | cydork | pix3lek: be afraid, be very afraid. alien is evil! :P |
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| 12:30.38 | enouf | vlt: 1st do you have dmraid installed ? 2nd you don't neeed to worrry about the kopt line just yet .. make it have 2 ## for now and worry about your Automagic list only for now |
| 12:30.45 | pix3lek | What I must do? :< |
| 12:30.58 | hark | and slimy too! |
| 12:30.58 | liable | vlt: appending it to #kopt only works for update-grub, you need to add it to the actuall kernel line |
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| 12:31.10 | pix3lek | My english isn't good :/ |
| 12:31.16 | enouf | vlt: the kopt line controls(helps with a setting) what happens during an update-grub |
| 12:31.26 | cydork | pix3lek: which package do you want to install? |
| 12:31.46 | vlt | enouf, liable: I modified actual kernel line, too, of course :-) |
| 12:31.57 | enouf | vlt: waht about initrd? |
| 12:32.20 | vlt|afk | enouf: Yes, that's what I thought. Don't know where to start ... |
| 12:32.29 | liable | vlt|afk: paste your menu.lst and fstab to a pastebot |
| 12:32.32 | enouf | vlt|afk: why change your nick? |
| 12:32.45 | pix3lek | apt-rpm-repository |
| 12:32.53 | pix3lek | pix3lek:/home/pix3lek/Desktop# alien LimeWireLinux.rpm |
| 12:32.53 | pix3lek | limewire-free_4.11.0-1_i386.deb generated |
| 12:32.53 | pix3lek | pix3lek:/home/pix3lek/Desktop# |
| 12:32.56 | enouf | vlt|afk: anyway .. also you must edit device.map likely |
| 12:32.57 | pix3lek | thx :) |
| 12:34.24 | enouf | vlt|afk: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-XXXX may do the trick .. or you'll have to make an new initrd with support you need to boot using dm |
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| 12:36.00 | enouf | vlt|afk: usually .. most try to keep a separate /boot partition separate from any lvm, or raid .. mostly an lvm issue IIRC .. but I'm not any type of expert on this stuff at all |
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| 12:42.20 | hellop | So, I /msg dpkg apt-spy, installed it, ran apt-spy -d testing -a North-America and get, "couldn't find country US" |
| 12:42.52 | hellop | It can't find any countries. |
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| 12:43.26 | enouf | hellop: did you ver resolve your non-us repos issues? |
| 12:43.46 | hellop | enouf, yeah, depreciated |
| 12:43.57 | hellop | enouf, I have since d/led the etch daily build |
| 12:43.59 | enouf | deprecated yes |
| 12:44.08 | enouf | hellop: ok |
| 12:44.27 | hellop | but, I'm not able to use the automated tools to configure apt... |
| 12:44.35 | hellop | I'm looking for an example on the net to type in. |
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| 12:44.58 | enouf | hellop: try all countries maybe |
| 12:45.16 | liable | http://ftp.debian.org is usually fast enough and good to start with |
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| 12:45.50 | hellop | enouf, yes, apt-spy -d testing returns, "cant find country **" for all countries |
| 12:45.50 | zorcak | is it possible to remove all files but one named 'a' fr a dir with command? |
| 12:46.07 | hellop | can some paste their sources.list? |
| 12:46.16 | enouf | hellop: I never used apt-spy yet .. so not sure your syntax is correct .. but .. oh well |
| 12:46.32 | enouf | didn't we tell you already about !mirrors |
| 12:46.41 | hellop | enouf, yes.. |
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| 12:48.15 | zorcak | eh? |
| 12:49.09 | zorcak | any command to remove all but one file named 'a' fr a dir? |
| 12:49.17 | hellop | I'm just going to download a different distro |
| 12:49.42 | setog3 | sorry not the good channel, but how can I remove end of file with grep ? |
| 12:49.54 | tonyb2006 | lets say i have a domain name and want to start a mailserver on it, anyone have a guide that would tell me where to start |
| 12:50.55 | Ronin | tonyb2006: pick a mta and start reading what to do , nets full of tutorials on them |
| 12:51.25 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 12:51.55 | Trewas | isn't apt-spy pretty much waste of time anyway? I tested a few weeks ago, out of near-lethal boredom (at work), how fast the official mirrors are (http://ftp.xx.debian.org mirrors) and I got >1MB/s from almost all of them, at least all the european ones |
| 12:52.03 | tonyb2006 | !exim |
| 12:52.03 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 12:52.11 | Ronin | seriously, just read up on some and decide, debian comes with exim4 i believe by default, but theres also postfix and my personal fav qmail (i dont want to hear it folks) |
| 12:52.40 | tonyb2006 | !qmail |
| 12:52.40 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
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| 12:53.55 | Ronin | wouldnt say truck load :) but theres definitely one or two patches that you have to apply heh |
| 12:56.29 | hellop | sigh.. my problem seems resolved.. in my mirrors.list, I took out the space between the URL and the folder. I don't really understand why the other lines have a space there. |
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| 12:56.31 | cy_ | hello.. is etch == stable? |
| 12:56.35 | blondie | no |
| 12:56.39 | blondie | etch is testing |
| 12:56.42 | blondie | not stable yet |
| 12:56.44 | cy_ | ok, ty |
| 12:57.11 | Ronin | close though:) |
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| 12:57.44 | cy_ | i would like to install libapache2-mod-security but i cant find it using apt-cache search libapache2-mod-security ... my source.list is -> http://www.pastebin.ca/325625 |
| 12:57.46 | hellop | Trewas, thanks ftp.us.debian.org/debian gives 250kB/s |
| 12:58.03 | cy_ | how should i try to achive this ? |
| 12:59.02 | cy_ | is using debian-unofficial.org an accepteable solution? |
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| 13:00.24 | hellop | zorcak U still on that? |
| 13:00.40 | zorcak | yeh |
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| 13:01.01 | Devil_Kin | hey folks |
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| 13:01.17 | enouf | hellop: if you couldn't deduce that from the http://www.debian.org/mirror/list link that dpkg gave you .. maybe another distro would be better for ya |
| 13:01.29 | Devil_Kin | is there any reason why the debian stock kernels have CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=16 instead of the vanilla 256? |
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| 13:02.12 | hellop | try this: |
| 13:02.28 | hellop | rm $(ls -1|grep -v "a$") |
| 13:02.48 | hellop | replace a with whatever file not to delete |
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| 13:03.27 | enouf | Devil_Kin: $ grep CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 13:03.28 | enouf | CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=256 |
| 13:03.53 | enouf | $ uname -r |
| 13:03.53 | enouf | 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 13:04.06 | DaveyB | how do you find your local IP address in Linux? |
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| 13:04.28 | hellop | DaveyB, su then ipconfig |
| 13:04.35 | enouf | DaveyB: you want the outside world facing ISP given address?? |
| 13:04.54 | Devil_Kin | enouf: $ grep CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT config-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 13:04.54 | Devil_Kin | CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=16 |
| 13:05.03 | hellop | whatismyip.com |
| 13:05.03 | hark | hellop: nope |
| 13:05.04 | Devil_Kin | from a just downloaded debian image |
| 13:05.11 | enouf | Devil_Kin: use an older kernel :-P |
| 13:05.31 | DaveyB | hellop, ipconfig is a windows command |
| 13:05.37 | hellop | ifconfig |
| 13:05.38 | hellop | sorry |
| 13:05.40 | danf_1979 | Hi guys, I've asked some dedicated server provider about Debian. They got it, but installation comes with default values for partitions. I think I will need to change partitions remotely after I have installed Debian. Is this possible? Also, what are default partition sizes (%) ? |
| 13:05.49 | DaveyB | ahh got it thankyou |
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| 13:08.47 | minux | hellop: HellOp as in "operator from hell"? |
| 13:09.12 | zorcak | hellop: thks, it works. can it be expanded to cover more than one file? |
| 13:09.50 | hellop | minux, your home directory has been deleted due to system maintenance |
| 13:09.54 | enouf | danf_1979: preseed it http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/installer/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 13:10.10 | minux | hellop: Operator from hell, I see =) |
| 13:10.19 | danf_1979 | enouf, reading.... thanks |
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| 13:11.14 | hellop | zorcak, uhh.. yes.. I think egrep can do an exclude list |
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| 13:11.21 | DaveyB | If I can remotely access my Windows Machine Via remote desktop but my windows machine can't remote desktop my Linux machine. Does that mean I need to install VNC and set that up? |
| 13:11.47 | zorcak | hellop: thks, will look into that. |
| 13:11.57 | minux | DaveyB: Remote desktop is a windows service... Linux doesn't have it. Except a client. So OF COURSE you will have to install VNC. |
| 13:12.25 | DaveyB | minux, thanks. Thought so. |
| 13:12.48 | hellop | zorcak, ahh yeah --exclude-from=FILE |
| 13:13.08 | hellop | zorcak, put a list of the files not to delete in a file, then use that flag |
| 13:13.24 | zorcak | hellop: k |
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| 13:14.18 | hellop | rm $(ls -1|grep --exclude-from=FILENAME) |
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| 13:14.44 | kote | hi |
| 13:15.03 | kote | do you know how install intel wifi ipw3945? |
| 13:15.32 | zorcak | hellop: thks again. |
| 13:16.14 | AstralJava | Hey all, I was wondering if anyone in here has created a shared directory on an LTSP system, in which everybody have all rights to all files? If I set drwxrwxrwx for /home/shared, the files that are created inside /home/shared still have the system-wide default rights, -rw-r--r--. Is it possible without imposing ACLs? |
| 13:16.44 | enouf | http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:18.02 | hellop | ok, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via icewm what else do I need for x11? |
| 13:18.21 | enouf | !install x |
| 13:18.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 13:18.31 | enouf | bah |
| 13:18.40 | enouf | !set up x |
| 13:18.40 | dpkg | hmm... set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 13:19.58 | hark | aptitude install x-window-system-core icewm |
| 13:20.45 | hellop | x-window-system-core and xserver-xorg?? |
| 13:20.59 | enouf | hark: depending on how much of x you want .. I would install xerver-xorg .. but YMMV for your tastes |
| 13:21.14 | enouf | er xserver-xorg |
| 13:21.31 | hellop | are they disjoint? |
| 13:21.40 | hellop | like, one or the other? |
| 13:21.51 | enouf | that'll pull in -core most likely .. -core is lighter .. |
| 13:21.56 | hellop | ohh... system-core has all the fonts |
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| 13:22.35 | hellop | that was where I was breaking.. |
| 13:22.35 | hark | enouf: huh? |
| 13:23.17 | enouf | hark: wrong nick |
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| 13:23.34 | hark | ah |
| 13:23.43 | enouf | hellop: xserver-xorg-core is what you want for etch |
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| 13:24.25 | hellop | enouf ut oh, I jsut did x-window-system-core |
| 13:24.37 | `Kevin | does anyone know of an iSCSI HBA (copper) that fully works with debian? |
| 13:24.40 | hellop | 70MB.. herm I'm trying to do a minimal install for a carpc |
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| 13:25.14 | enouf | hellop: don't worry .. it's a transitional pkg |
| 13:25.15 | enouf | ii x-window-system-core 7.0.22 transitional package for Debian etch |
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| 13:26.09 | enouf | hellop: ii xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-9 X.Org X server -- core server |
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| 13:27.10 | hellop | Well, I did this: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via icewm x-window-system-core and it booted right up. |
| 13:27.28 | hellop | do you think the xserver-xorg part is not used? |
| 13:28.00 | enouf | hellop: if you use dpkg -l you can check what got installed |
| 13:28.00 | lanchow | Q: with startx i had .xinitrc, but with gnome .xprofile doesn't work, what else ? |
| 13:28.36 | enouf | hellop: use dpkg -l xserver* |
| 13:29.59 | hellop | I'm just trying to figure out, is the new proceedure to install xserver-xorg, and to not install x-window-system? |
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| 13:30.55 | enouf | hellop: Sarge still uses XF86Config-4 (Xfree86) .. Etch/Sid use xorg(Xorg) |
| 13:31.36 | enouf | !get xorg |
| 13:31.37 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
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| 13:33.24 | broadcaster | how can i force the installation of two colliding packes, e.g. two mtas which i want to run on different ports...? i can of course set status HOLD in dselect, but that will prevent on of the packages from beeing updated. |
| 13:33.38 | hellop | enouf, great thanks |
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| 13:34.16 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks, anyone use 3dfx gpu card with xfree86 (sarge) ? |
| 13:34.30 | abac | hi when the etch will be released? |
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| 13:34.49 | enouf | abac: see /topic |
| 13:34.53 | chemaja | abac: as soon as you set us up the bomb |
| 13:35.55 | abac | i waiting to start the debian from etch |
| 13:36.50 | hellop | well this new xorg certainly seems faster |
| 13:37.22 | hellop | its weird tho, my serial mouse used to take about 5 seconds to repond in icewm, but now it's like 30 secs |
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| 13:38.20 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/stable/graphics/device3dfx-source |
| 13:38.30 | enouf | !customer |
| 13:38.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 13:39.56 | speyer | how do i extract file from tar.gz into one directory ? i dont want to extract the directory from arhive tar.gz only the files |
| 13:40.01 | enouf | !tell hellop about drxx |
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| 13:43.51 | spyro_boy | hello |
| 13:45.36 | spyro_boy | I'm using debian amd64, and I have apache installed version: 2.2.3 and as far as I know, I should've done everything correct to get my home 'public_html' dirs working, but apache still gives me a 403 whenever I try accessing a users public_html. Any idea what's wrong? |
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| 13:46.59 | spyro_boy | nevermind, I think I found the problem. |
| 13:47.18 | aidehua | Is there a reliable interface for reading log files in /var/log without looking at the same bit of log multiple times? |
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| 13:50.05 | hellop | well, changing it from auto to logitech didn't help... |
| 13:50.25 | hellop | why would my serial mouse take like 30 sec to respond... |
| 13:51.08 | praktikum | aidehua, tailf -f file ? |
| 13:51.16 | praktikum | * tail -f file |
| 13:52.13 | aidehua | praktikum: so the problem is that the log files might've rotate since I last looked at them. |
| 13:52.26 | praktikum | ah |
| 13:52.39 | praktikum | hm no idea then |
| 13:53.08 | hellop | Can anyone suggest some steps to trim down my 600MB installation? |
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| 13:53.25 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 13:53.25 | Ronin | hellop: thats too much? wow |
| 13:53.33 | aidehua | hellop: rm /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 13:53.34 | praktikum | rm /var/log/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:53.35 | Reiser_X | i need some help with gnugk |
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| 13:53.42 | Ronin | hellop: uninstall what you dont need, clean you apt cache etc. |
| 13:53.48 | praktikum | lol @ aidehua same thought ;) |
| 13:54.04 | aidehua | lol @ the fact we both suggested he "rm" a directory, rather than the contents :) |
| 13:54.07 | Karamon | Hello, if I want to choose the 2.6 smp kernel from a net install, how do I tell it this instead of it installing the 2.4 single cpu kernel? |
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| 13:54.30 | Ronin | !tell Reiser_X about ask |
| 13:54.55 | hellop | k |
| 13:55.15 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 13:55.16 | Reiser_X | sorry |
| 13:55.18 | hellop | Karamon hit F3 |
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| 13:55.41 | Karamon | helltop: During the installation or at the splash screen where it says hit enter to boot |
| 13:55.48 | Reiser_X | I need to know if after install GNUGK i need another specific configuration |
| 13:56.03 | Reiser_X | this is an H323 server |
| 13:56.06 | Ronin | Karamon: at the beginning of theinstall |
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| 13:56.22 | ImmutableDark | DEBIAN IS NOT LINUX |
| 13:56.29 | Eulex | I know that there should be a tool that shows in what runlevels a service is running and allows you to edit them. anyone remember what its name is? |
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| 13:56.45 | Eulex | !ops ImmutableDark is a troll |
| 13:56.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: eulex complains about: ImmutableDark is a troll |
| 13:57.38 | hellop | that took out like 120megs.. cool! |
| 13:57.46 | minux | !ops ImmutableDark is a troll |
| 13:57.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: minux complains about: ImmutableDark is a troll |
| 13:57.59 | praktikum | interessting way of notifefing the ops |
| 13:58.00 | streuner | minux: please |
| 13:58.03 | minux | ah :D |
| 13:58.11 | ImmutableDark | hehehe |
| 13:58.12 | minux | streuner: Sorry, I missunderstood the purpose of !ops :) |
| 13:58.13 | hellop | Karamon, at the beginning it says hit something for more options |
| 13:58.28 | hellop | Karamon when you boot from CD |
| 13:58.28 | Ronin | minux: no you got it right :) |
| 13:58.50 | minux | I thought that was a list of those that previoulsy considered ImmutableDark a troll =) |
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| 13:59.22 | azeem | Eulex: hwo so? |
| 13:59.31 | azeem | eh, how* |
| 13:59.48 | minux | azeem: Scroll up, he joined and said: <ImmutableDark> DEBIAN IS NOT LINUX |
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| 13:59.51 | Ronin | [09:57:02] <ImmutableDark> <caps>Debian is not linux</caps> |
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| 14:00.05 | azeem | that's a true statement |
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| 14:00.19 | azeem | not necesseraily warranting all caps, of course |
| 14:00.20 | praktikum | :D |
| 14:00.21 | cahoot | that's the provocation |
| 14:00.30 | azeem | sorry, my lag is bad |
| 14:00.34 | Ronin | still trolling though trying to get a fight started |
| 14:00.38 | Eulex | azeem, yeah.... my first reaction was that it couldn't be anything but trolling, but now I'm not so sure anymore |
| 14:00.53 | ImmutableDark | it's a way of life even |
| 14:01.28 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:01.31 | azeem | Eulex: it's better to reply with "Do you have a Debian question?" |
| 14:01.40 | streuner | ImmutableDark: maybe you can enlight us, and tell what you think about? |
| 14:02.25 | azeem | minux: stop harrassing random people, please |
| 14:02.26 | minux | praktikum: Yes, of course, the ops are here =) |
| 14:02.27 | ImmutableDark | I just like making statements in the wrong place and watching everyone |
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| 14:02.37 | minux | azeem: hehe |
| 14:02.41 | Eulex | azeem, yeah |
| 14:02.51 | azeem | ImmutableDark: so, do you have a Debian qustion? |
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| 14:03.05 | ImmutableDark | yeah what is debian? |
| 14:03.15 | azeem | !debian |
| 14:03.15 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:03.23 | minux | azeem: How come you are so friendly? I'd just kickban ImmutableDark directly. |
| 14:03.47 | ImmutableDark | minux is cool |
| 14:03.50 | ImmutableDark | I love minux |
| 14:03.54 | ImmutableDark | minux and slackware |
| 14:04.02 | minux | ImmutableDark: :D |
| 14:04.09 | azeem | minux: that's why you're not an op |
| 14:04.30 | minux | azeem: Being friendly is so boring. |
| 14:04.34 | mrparanoid | Is there any reported bugs with the current unstable image when installing it freezes at openbsd-inetd? |
| 14:04.49 | streuner | minux: its NOT a disadvantage to be friendly, we all try our best. |
| 14:05.14 | azeem | mrparanoid: check the BTS |
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| 14:06.59 | ImmutableDark | seriously ubuntu sucks balls |
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| 14:07.08 | minux | ImmutableDark: 100% agreed. |
| 14:07.15 | Reiser_X | is there any good IRC Server? |
| 14:07.37 | streuner | Reiser_X: what for? |
| 14:07.59 | streuner | you want your own irc server, why? |
| 14:08.00 | Eulex | Reiser_X, yes. |
| 14:08.14 | azeem | ImmutableDark: this is a support channel, discussions about random Linux etc. topics should be held in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:09.26 | hellop | Konq takes 120MB!? |
| 14:09.26 | ImmutableDark | how awesome is debian? |
| 14:09.35 | ImmutableDark | in metric awesomes? |
| 14:09.52 | azeem | ImmutableDark: see above |
| 14:09.55 | minux | I think ImmutableDark does anything possible to be kicked. |
| 14:09.56 | azeem | praktikum: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:10.00 | streuner | parktikum: #ubuntu |
| 14:10.14 | ImmutableDark | sudo passwd? |
| 14:10.26 | praktikum | azeem that was a critical note about ubuntu and a reason why i am not using it |
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| 14:10.35 | hellop | ah mozilla-browser takes only 51MB |
| 14:10.46 | Eulex | hellop, what kind of memory? virtual, resident or shared? |
| 14:10.57 | ImmutableDark | azeem five times your mother |
| 14:11.06 | minux | lol |
| 14:11.08 | kisielk_jp | hellop, you do realize of course that most of the memory konq is "using" is shared libs |
| 14:11.08 | hellop | Eulex, I have a 1 GB CF card hooked to a $3 CF-to-IDE adapter |
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| 14:11.35 | azeem | praktikum: this is a support channel, discussions about random Linux etc. topics should be held in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:11.40 | praktikum | k k |
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| 14:11.47 | streuner | There are some people who like to get a kickban |
| 14:11.47 | hellop | praktikum, search google U can get rid of sudo |
| 14:12.00 | praktikum | it just fit in the topic that was present ;) |
| 14:12.02 | streuner | weird, but its true :-( |
| 14:12.12 | Eulex | hellop, ah, you mean 'hard drive' space. I though you meant ram. |
| 14:12.19 | hellop | kisielk_jp, yeah, but Mozilla seems to use a lot less |
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| 14:12.35 | kisielk_jp | hellop, are you talking RAM or disk space here? |
| 14:12.39 | kisielk_jp | I'm confused |
| 14:12.44 | hellop | kisielk_jp, disk space |
| 14:12.49 | kisielk_jp | oh ok |
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| 14:12.55 | kisielk_jp | that's different then |
| 14:13.08 | kisielk_jp | well if you install konqueror, you have to pull all the kde libs in too |
| 14:13.14 | hellop | kisielk_jp, trying to fit a media player onto 900MB |
| 14:13.17 | kisielk_jp | not much point in doing that if you just want a standalone browser |
| 14:13.34 | kisielk_jp | whats the browser for? |
| 14:13.40 | kisielk_jp | browsing the library? |
| 14:13.52 | hellop | kisielk_jp, to setup, and maybe use with wireless, or cellphone |
| 14:14.03 | hellop | kisielk_jp, for browing, I'm thinking MythTV |
| 14:14.09 | praktikum | to make it clear, i wasn'T asking how to get ridd of sudo, i just think its strange and i neither have ubuntu nor do i like it. |
| 14:14.13 | hellop | the library I mean |
| 14:14.46 | kisielk_jp | ah ok, so you actually want it for browsing the web then.. in that case I suggest you install firefox, er, iceweasel or whatever the animal is now |
| 14:14.55 | hellop | praktikum, well, everything is done with sudo in ubuntu, but you can easily disable that and use su like normal |
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| 14:16.02 | praktikum | well it seems that ubuntu is limiting its users by default as most of them are beginners, but lets stop talking about ubuntu now or s.o. will take some actions :/ |
| 14:16.19 | ImmutableDark | yeah you are right ubuntu sucks |
| 14:16.25 | azeem | praktikum: did I make myself unclear? This discussion is off-topic here |
| 14:16.36 | hellop | sorry my fault |
| 14:16.51 | vaq | How can i turn off the bell in xterm? I can't seem to find it in the man pages. |
| 14:16.59 | ImmutableDark | I think I raised the topic first |
| 14:17.07 | ImmutableDark | stop taking my credit bitch |
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| 14:17.46 | azeem | ImmutableDark: you've been silenced for 10 minutes due to off-topic and somewhat rude behaviour |
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| 14:18.07 | azeem | ImmutableDark: please reconsider your attitude, thanks |
| 14:18.09 | Reiser_X | Eulex: sorry i am back again |
| 14:18.13 | praktikum | :D |
| 14:18.19 | Reiser_X | testing GNUGK |
| 14:18.50 | Reiser_X | the problem is: i installed gnugk and run ok |
| 14:18.51 | hellop | vaq, if you find out let me know |
| 14:19.13 | Reiser_X | i created users with: addpasswd gnugk.ini Password jose password |
| 14:19.16 | Reiser_X | and |
| 14:19.28 | Reiser_X | addpasswd gnugk.ini Password jose2 password |
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| 14:19.47 | Reiser_X | i use a static IP to the machine with gnugk services |
| 14:20.13 | Reiser_X | but in the client i can't use DHCP IP, i have to use static |
| 14:20.27 | Eulex | Reiser_X, I've no experience with gnugk. and I don't see what it's got to do with irc |
| 14:20.56 | Reiser_X | any body here can help? |
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| 14:22.11 | n0rus | How do I figure out which deb package does "/usr/sbin/pppd" belong to? |
| 14:22.19 | hellop | Why would my "Programs" menu be blank on a new install? On sarge it had all kinds of stuff. |
| 14:22.26 | petemc | n0rus: dpkg -S |
| 14:22.30 | n0rus | thank you |
| 14:22.32 | petemc | n0rus: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:26.16 | cahoot | vaq: xset -blength |
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| 14:28.04 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@210-84-52-189.dyn.iinet.net.au] by azeem |
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| 14:30.05 | _joey | is e6300 duo core - 64 bits processor? |
| 14:30.16 | Karamon | My installation freezes when the partitioner reaches 100% on creating partitions. The machine itself isn't locked up, just the software. I tried opening a console and it doesn't let me do that either.. can anyone think of a way to troubleshoot this? |
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| 14:30.47 | rsk | Karamon: using the rc1 etch guinstaller? |
| 14:31.28 | Karamon | I'm using a version of debian netinstaller.. I'm sure it isn't the absolute newest one, but I installed the 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:32.40 | Karamon | I would give you the exact version but the CD is in the machine to be installed upon |
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| 14:33.17 | berkes | can anyone tell me how I can find the location where a USB HDD is plugged into? |
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| 14:33.32 | cydork | !tell berkes -about usb storage |
| 14:33.32 | cahoot | berkes: first check dmesg |
| 14:34.00 | hellop | Can I auto-populate my Programs menu in icewm? |
| 14:34.05 | berkes | cahoot: I iterated trough that, but all it tells me, is /that/ is was found, not where |
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| 14:34.57 | hellop | berkes, try looking on the back of your computer to see where it's plugged in |
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| 14:35.01 | berkes | cydork: according to dmesg, Debian already loaded these modules fine. |
| 14:35.10 | berkes | hellop: I cannot look that far :) |
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| 14:35.24 | berkes | its a server in a datacenter about 300Km from here :) |
| 14:35.38 | cydork | berkes: read the factoid. about /proc/partitions part |
| 14:35.42 | hellop | maybe you want mount -vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 14:35.50 | berkes | cydork: yea running trough that. |
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| 14:37.07 | berkes | cydork: thanks! /proc/partitions was what i needed :) |
| 14:37.10 | berkes | w00t: |
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| 14:38.38 | cf1 | wow! wonderful night |
| 14:39.24 | Karamon | I guess no real good way to troubleshoot the partitioner then eh? |
| 14:39.29 | Thmss | moo |
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| 14:39.57 | ajs | Does anybody know why you can't have Azureus and Eclipse installed from testing simultaneously, and why there are two similarly named libswt packages? |
| 14:40.08 | hellop | Karamon, maybe you disk has a physical problem |
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| 14:40.29 | hellop | Karamon, try testdisk or scandisk |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | ajs: try #debian-java on OFTC |
| 14:41.20 | abrotman | but i didn't think eclipse was in etch .. |
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| 14:42.20 | cydork | it's not. |
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| 14:43.01 | ajs | It's in testing. |
| 14:43.04 | ajs | Just recently. |
| 14:43.23 | ajs | http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse/news/20070118T233908Z.html |
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| 14:45.26 | Karamon | hellop: How can I troubleshoot that |
| 14:45.48 | Karamon | hello |
| 14:45.52 | hellop | so, I remove then install icewm, and it doesn't put itself back as the default wm |
| 14:46.06 | Karamon | erk, hellop: Is there a utility I can use to see if that is actually the problem? |
| 14:46.11 | kisielk_jp | hellop, update-alternatives ? |
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| 14:47.34 | cydork | !dbugs 340998 |
| 14:47.38 | dpkg | DONE:#340998:W[libswt3.2-gtk-java] libswt3.2-gtk-java: Should not conflict with libswt-gtk-3.2-java; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:33:01 UTC |
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| 14:49.34 | Karamon | Does anyone know if there is a way to run linux testdisc from the installation prompt? |
| 14:49.57 | Karamon | Or if there is a set of utilities I can burn to a CD and use to test a disk? |
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| 14:51.23 | x_link | Is Debian good for servers? |
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| 14:51.49 | hellop | Karamon, you can use google, or do apt-get install testdisk |
| 14:51.50 | petemc | x_link: very good, yes |
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| 14:51.58 | x_link | petemc: OKey. Thank |
| 14:52.01 | x_link | +s |
| 14:52.01 | rsk | x_link: compared to windows? :) |
| 14:52.07 | x_link | rsk: heheh |
| 14:52.09 | rsk | x_link: its a TAD better. |
| 14:52.18 | jharrisonwk | x_link: not really |
| 14:52.44 | x_link | A friend doesn't know which linux distro to choose. I told him to get Debian Etch. But he wants a distro for servers. He thought Slackware were a bit hard to install. |
| 14:52.50 | x_link | jharrisonwk: Not good for servers? |
| 14:53.04 | Ronin | x_link: debian |
| 14:53.15 | x_link | ok |
| 14:53.21 | jharrisonwk | x_link: debian is great for servers |
| 14:53.21 | x_link | Then I will tell him to not get Debian then. |
| 14:53.27 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 14:53.31 | jharrisonwk | x_link: I just was trying to be different then everone else |
| 14:53.32 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 14:53.38 | x_link | Then I will tell him to get that. |
| 14:53.40 | x_link | hehe |
| 14:53.50 | mindframe | are there any X terminal progs that allow easy copy / paste? |
| 14:54.02 | azeem | screen |
| 14:54.06 | azeem | eh, X? |
| 14:54.08 | mindframe | yes |
| 14:54.10 | cydork | huh? |
| 14:54.12 | azeem | without a mouse? |
| 14:54.19 | mindframe | with a mouse |
| 14:54.24 | mindframe | xterm is not cooperating |
| 14:54.25 | azeem | all of them |
| 14:54.27 | jharrisonwk | X? |
| 14:54.34 | jharrisonwk | yeah all works |
| 14:54.38 | azeem | select with left drag, paste with middle click |
| 14:54.52 | jharrisonwk | maybe he has no middle click |
| 14:54.56 | mindframe | hrmm maybe my middle click is borked then, i thought that was how you do it |
| 14:55.01 | jharrisonwk | maybe he has to press left and right at same time |
| 14:55.09 | mindframe | i will fiddle |
| 14:55.09 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: yeah shoudl work |
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| 14:55.45 | cyberdo | My turn? ;o)... IS there some easy, non-system-wide way of choosing GCC-version? |
| 14:55.54 | cyberdo | like with environment variables or similar |
| 14:56.27 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: probably |
| 14:56.40 | cyberdo | ;o) |
| 14:56.49 | jharrisonwk | never done that before though |
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| 14:57.00 | jharrisonwk | never had a need |
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| 14:57.44 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: you could just do /usr/bin/gcc-x.x -Wall [more_options] file.c or something |
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| 14:58.40 | cyberdo | I know, but I want to change as little as possible in the Makefile... it's for a project involving several computers |
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| 14:58.59 | cyberdo | I did try to symlink it and change PATH... didn't work then |
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| 14:59.07 | cyberdo | think I'll try again |
| 14:59.13 | minux | cyberdo: Why don't you use AUTOMAKE/AUTOCONF? |
| 14:59.53 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: or scons |
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| 15:00.06 | mad_muppet | does anyone know how I can install opengl on my debian box? |
| 15:00.17 | cydork | cyberdo: use CC and export CC=/path/to/gcc ?? :P |
| 15:00.18 | Wyzard | cyberdo: Makefiles usually call the compiler through a variable, $CC, so you can just set CC=/usr/bin/gcc-x.x |
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| 15:00.29 | cyberdo | it's nachos (OS-simulator) for a school project |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | mad_muppet: the development libraries ? |
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| 15:00.34 | minux | jharrisonwk: autoconf/automake is nicer :D |
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| 15:00.39 | mad_muppet | yes please |
| 15:00.40 | jharrisonwk | minux: whatever! |
| 15:00.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be at .. the office |
| 15:00.42 | cyberdo | it's tons and tons of files with given code |
| 15:00.49 | Wyzard | cyberdo: If your makefile has "gcc" hard-coded, then you *should* modify it |
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| 15:00.54 | minux | cyberdo: Then you should use autoconf/automake |
| 15:01.00 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: scons |
| 15:01.02 | badbugs | hello |
| 15:01.09 | minux | cyberdo: autoconf/automake |
| 15:01.14 | atrus | debian unstable, gnome tasklist, window list, and workspace switcher applets all simultaneously broke, crashing on startup. |
| 15:01.24 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: scons |
| 15:01.28 | minux | cyberdo: autoconf/automake |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | atrus: i'd like to take this oppurtunity to point you to the BTS .. |
| 15:01.39 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: /ignore minux and then scons |
| 15:01.51 | minux | cyberdo: /ignore jharrisonwk and then autoconf/automake |
| 15:01.52 | cyberdo | ;o) |
| 15:01.54 | badbugs | I'm a problem with the kernel 2.18-3 includes in etch. |
| 15:01.57 | jharrisonwk | cyberdo: once you focus on something you wont have any distractions |
| 15:02.08 | abrotman | scons kind of sucks .. sometimes |
| 15:02.10 | badbugs | Sometimes it's freeze |
| 15:02.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'll be leaving shortly, don't worry |
| 15:02.21 | mad_muppet | abrotman: yes please |
| 15:02.24 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you always take the other side |
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| 15:02.57 | minux | scons is far away from being as flexible as auto* |
| 15:03.14 | atrus | abrotman: i looked, but didn't see anything yet. curious if anyone else saw anything. not sure which package i'd file against tho, as neither wnck nor gnome-applets was upgraded recently. |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: watch out for the morons in the snow! |
| 15:03.35 | abrotman | mad_muppet: apt-cache search -- gl -dev |
| 15:03.35 | jharrisonwk | snow sucks |
| 15:03.35 | Wyzard | minux: On the other hand, scons is much more powerful in certain ways |
| 15:03.42 | hellop | kisielk_jp, alternatives/x-window-manager only points to icewm |
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| 15:03.56 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no .. scons has some nice features .. but it can be a pain |
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| 15:04.14 | Wyzard | atrus: FWIW, on amd64 unstable, I upgraded and then logged out and back in last night, and didn't have any problems |
| 15:04.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: autoconf/automake is not a pain? |
| 15:04.27 | mad_muppet | abrotman: thanks will do |
| 15:04.42 | badbugs | Sometime the kernel freeze at the time of the boot, we can view : usb 4: USB disconnect, address 4 |
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| 15:05.19 | badbugs | Can somebody help me? |
| 15:06.14 | Wyzard | badbugs: Disable the USB controller in your BIOS and see if the problem still happens |
| 15:06.25 | cyberdo | jharrisonwk, minux: thanx, but symlink seemed to help |
| 15:06.25 | ImmutableDark | I'm back and I'm bad |
| 15:06.40 | minux | cyberdo: That's an UGLY hack. |
| 15:06.57 | cyberdo | there's a lot more that should be altered... it depends on g++-3.4, since it uses some strange options |
| 15:06.58 | minux | cyberdo: Especially since you have more than one source file and you compile it on different computers. |
| 15:07.14 | Wyzard | cyberdo: The generally-accepted way to tell a Makefile what compiler to use is the CC variable... and CXX if it needs a C++ compiler |
| 15:07.16 | cyberdo | minux: but the other computers have |
| 15:07.19 | cyberdo | 3.4 as def. |
| 15:07.22 | atrus | got the error anyways: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/applets/workspace_switcher_screen0/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=medium;locked_down=false |
| 15:07.26 | minux | cyberdo: DOES NOT MATTER. Jesus, |
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| 15:07.39 | minux | cyberdo: All you have now is an ugly hack. |
| 15:07.50 | minux | cyberdo: Use automake/autoconf or scons. (Preferably auto*) |
| 15:08.03 | badbugs | Wyzard, the probleme is not frequent |
| 15:08.24 | badbugs | Once on 10 perhaps |
| 15:08.43 | cyzie | other than tomcat, is there any other java app that has script in /etc/init.d ? |
| 15:08.49 | Wyzard | badbugs: Then disable the USB controller and boot the system 20 times :-) |
| 15:08.52 | badbugs | But very unpleasant |
| 15:08.52 | Polleke | badbugs, I've seen something similar happen when I had a mouse with a half broken cable |
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| 15:09.44 | ajs | cyberdo, something that hasn't been suggested here, but you know GCC has a "-V" flag? |
| 15:09.50 | ajs | That lets you select compiler if you have more than one installed. |
| 15:09.52 | Wyzard | badbugs: You want to determine whether the problem is actually in the USB driver, or if it's hanging for some other reason and it just happens to be at the time that it loads the USB driver |
| 15:10.00 | stew | cyzie: jetty? |
| 15:10.05 | cyberdo | minux: I know it's ugly... The better solution would probably be to update it all, and make it compatible with gxx-4+, but there's no time in h*** |
| 15:10.18 | hellop | I can't tell what happened. I did un/reinstall of icewm, now just see background and mouse. |
| 15:10.34 | badbugs | Wyzard, the probleme is only on debian |
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| 15:10.46 | minux | cyberdo: Jesus, you should have done that from the beginning. And, since you obviously doesn't know how to select which compiler to use, should you even be doing programming at all? |
| 15:10.52 | cyberdo | ajs: hmm.. didn't know that |
| 15:10.57 | minux | s/doesn't/don't/ |
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| 15:11.20 | cyzie | stew, mmm.. jetty not apt-gettable |
| 15:11.23 | hellop | If my icewm doesn't load, I should get basic menus without it right? |
| 15:11.25 | cyzie | steven__, is there any others? |
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| 15:11.28 | cyberdo | minux: 16:00 < cyberdo> it's nachos (OS-simulator) for a school project |
| 15:11.35 | badbugs | How I can desactivate the check of hard disks in the boot? |
| 15:11.35 | stew | cyzie: why not? |
| 15:11.44 | cyzie | stew, is there any others? |
| 15:11.52 | cyzie | is not in the repo ? |
| 15:11.57 | minux | cyberdo: Hmm, so you are learning. |
| 15:12.02 | stew | !info jetty |
| 15:12.05 | dpkg | jetty: (Java servlet engine and webserver), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 5.1.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2023 kB, Installed size: 14252 kB |
| 15:12.09 | cyberdo | minux: google for nachos |
| 15:12.17 | cyzie | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:12.30 | cyberdo | my proxies aren't working atm, so I can't get a url |
| 15:12.33 | minux | cyberdo: Often served with chilisauce. |
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| 15:13.04 | cyberdo | minux: ;o) |
| 15:13.12 | cyzie | stew, is there any others? |
| 15:13.44 | cyzie | stew, other than jetty, the reason is i would like to see the script in /etc/init.d/ for the java app |
| 15:13.54 | Polleke | badbugs, what kind of check? |
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| 15:15.19 | Polleke | badbugs, or perhaps a better question would be, which fs |
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| 15:15.34 | badbugs | This hdd is monted 30 times, will be check |
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| 15:15.46 | badbugs | approximative |
| 15:16.44 | Polleke | it's not a bad idea to have that on. You can dissable it with fstab though, man fstab |
| 15:17.05 | justin | actually you change it with tune2fs |
| 15:17.14 | badbugs | Thanks (that's for test the kernel boot) |
| 15:19.43 | stew | cyzie: axyl-lucene |
| 15:20.18 | hellop | Is there a quick way to remove everything that got installed with a package in apt-get? |
| 15:20.40 | stew | hellop: apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 15:20.41 | cyzie | !info axyl-lucene |
| 15:20.43 | dpkg | axyl-lucene: (The Axyl Luceneserver), section web, is optional. Version: 2.1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 1770 kB, Installed size: 3444 kB |
| 15:21.12 | hellop | stew thanks |
| 15:21.13 | cyzie | stew, thansk. will give it a try |
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| 15:22.48 | badbugs | Thanks justin tune2fs is nice |
| 15:23.04 | yipstar`` | hello, i'm having some trouble trying to install debian sarge on a promise sx6000 ide raid controller |
| 15:23.09 | EdwardTLS_ | guys.. what's the best way of making a iso image with proper sas modules.. |
| 15:23.24 | yipstar`` | i've been googling a little, it seems to be supported in the latest i2o drivers |
| 15:23.33 | EdwardTLS_ | I have a supermicro server with a sas 9410 controller only in etch and sarge I don't have sas support... |
| 15:23.56 | yipstar`` | anyone know how i can find out what version of the i2o tools is in debian sarge? |
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| 15:24.11 | abrotman | packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:24.30 | abrotman | EdwardTLS_: yes you do .. i have SaS here |
| 15:24.39 | yipstar`` | thanks abrotman, i'll check there |
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| 15:26.31 | lvalue | hi, was there a chance for a kernel upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 that the network disappears and what steps do i need to take to ensure it's working after the reboot (the machine is thousands miles away) |
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| 15:27.00 | yipstar`` | what version of the kernel is in sarge? |
| 15:27.14 | badbugs | 2.6.8 |
| 15:27.19 | badbugs | or 2.4 ... |
| 15:27.22 | minux | lvalue: LOL @ your english. |
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| 15:28.01 | stew | lvalue: what network card do you have? |
| 15:28.06 | tmbinc | there was once a mechanism to count usage of debian on the various architectures. Can somebody point me to this list? I'm unable to feed google with the right keywords for it :/ |
| 15:28.21 | stew | lvalue: and does it have sata? |
| 15:28.36 | lvalue | stew, how do i check it? i never saw this box in person.. |
| 15:28.37 | stew | !popcon |
| 15:28.37 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:28.55 | stew | lvalue: pastebin the output of "lspci ; lspci -n" |
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| 15:29.03 | lvalue | it uses /dev/sda, i suppose it's scsi, it's an old box |
| 15:29.03 | tmbinc | stew: ah, great. thanks |
| 15:29.11 | yipstar`` | ah, this card needs to 2.6.11 it seems |
| 15:29.16 | yipstar`` | would that be in testing? |
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| 15:29.51 | stew | yipstar``: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:29.53 | lvalue | http://rafb.net/p/0aTxlC70.html |
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| 15:30.33 | nse | is there a way for viewing images files while on pure text mode? i mean without xorg running? |
| 15:30.54 | rsk | maybe with svgalib |
| 15:30.58 | rsk | or a framebuffer |
| 15:32.00 | stew | lvalue: that all looks fine. if you want to ensure your network driver is loaded at boot time, put "pcnet32" at the end of /etc/modules |
| 15:32.00 | nse | rsk: i don't know what you mean. which software do i need? |
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| 15:32.46 | lvalue | yes, this module is already there it seems |
| 15:33.27 | lvalue | ok, thanks for reassuring me of my steps.. i'll give it a try now |
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| 15:35.59 | yipstar`` | thanks stew, i need to install with a 2.6.18 kernel though, since that kernel is required to detect my raid device, which i want to also be my boot device |
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| 15:36.58 | hellop | reinstalling |
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| 15:37.32 | hellop | I broke X somehow. |
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| 15:38.15 | monk | hello |
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| 15:39.08 | monk | can someone help me w/ my ipw2200, it stoped working for me like a week ago and i cant get it to work in linux anymore, i even reinstalled debian and i get the same error. |
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| 15:39.33 | justin | !tell yipstar`` about sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 15:40.01 | monk | I was told by someone from here all you had to do was cp the firmware into the /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware dir and reboot |
| 15:40.14 | yipstar | !tell yipstar about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:40.25 | yipstar | hmm, doesn't do anything |
| 15:40.49 | yipstar | yipstar`` is logged in with my emacs irc client that i still can't figure out how to do privmsgs with :( |
| 15:40.58 | cydork | monk: which version of debian are you using? |
| 15:41.00 | hellop | monk what is it a router? |
| 15:41.01 | monk | that worked for a while but it doesnt work now. the driver version is 1.1.1 and the firmware 3.0. |
| 15:41.05 | yipstar | target yipstar please |
| 15:41.17 | monk | etch w/ homemade kernel |
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| 15:41.26 | monk | i did it the debian way, and the sf way |
| 15:41.29 | monk | no deals |
| 15:41.37 | EdwardTLS_ | abrotman, what iso do you use.. .? |
| 15:41.42 | justin | monk: maybe you should mention what this "error" you are getting is? |
| 15:42.03 | monk | yup its burnt inro memory.. |
| 15:42.18 | monk | ipw2200: Unable to load ucode -62 | |
| 15:42.35 | monk | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware -62 | |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | EdwardTLS_: etch worked fine .. but i don't have adaptec controllers like you do |
| 15:42.39 | monk | unable to bring up device -5 |
| 15:42.55 | monk | i googled and all i found were issues w/ ndiswrapper |
| 15:43.08 | monk | (which i dont use and dont have installed |
| 15:43.38 | monk | those 2 ipw2200 lines are in ipw2200.c |
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| 15:43.48 | jrr | !start a wm war |
| 15:43.48 | dpkg | X bites! |
| 15:43.56 | EdwardTLS_ | abrotman, ah.. to bad.. |
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| 15:44.14 | EdwardTLS_ | any one knows how to make a proper iso the easy way so I can install etch or sarge... ? |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 15:45.09 | EdwardTLS_ | thanks... |
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| 15:46.57 | hellop | I wonder if a USB 2.0 drive would be faster then ATA133 |
| 15:47.32 | hellop | I don't think jumpdrives are very fast |
| 15:47.42 | monk | nope |
| 15:48.01 | monk | i have a ata133 thats faster them sata drives |
| 15:48.26 | badbugs | apt--get update : no public key for xxxxxxx |
| 15:48.30 | badbugs | apt-get * |
| 15:48.41 | monk | cydork, hellop justin anything? |
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| 15:48.53 | monk | install key-ring |
| 15:48.56 | badbugs | Thanks |
| 15:48.57 | monk | badbugs, ^ |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | EdwardTLS_: did you check adaptec's website ? |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | debian-archive-keyring .. or /topic |
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| 15:50.15 | EdwardTLS_ | abrotman, well is it easy to add the module during installation.. ? |
| 15:50.20 | badbugs | That's good |
| 15:50.33 | justin | hellop: a single usb 2.0 drive maxes out for me at 30MB/s for reads.. 2 drives max out at 15MB/s each |
| 15:50.36 | badbugs | arf topic ... |
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| 15:50.50 | justin | hellop: it actually works pretty well since my network at home is only 100mbit anyway |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | EdwardTLS_: i haven't had to in a while .. check the install guide |
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| 15:53.51 | sid | What's an easy way to remotely get all the files from a particular directory that have *-en-*.md5 in them on a http daemon? |
| 15:54.37 | abrotman | wget |
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| 15:58.13 | ctrlER | hi, im trying to reinstall debian, can someone point me to a how to on how to keep my current users and passwords? Thanks |
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| 15:59.40 | cat | ctrlER: yoo cannot unless you do a back up.. |
| 15:59.43 | cat | users wise and stuff |
| 15:59.59 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: show us your /etc/shadow file |
| 16:00.36 | stew | ctrlER: DO NOT show anyone your /etc/shadow file |
| 16:00.37 | stew | jharrisonwk: ... |
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| 16:00.53 | jharrisonwk | oh phooy |
| 16:01.03 | ctrlER | jharrisonwk: not that newbie :) |
| 16:01.09 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 16:01.17 | ctrlER | cat: i just want to know what to backup |
| 16:01.41 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: you will need /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group at least |
| 16:01.58 | cat | right.. |
| 16:02.06 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: there are maybe a few more that might be useful but those 3 are vital |
| 16:02.32 | mindframe | what libs do i need installed to compile a kernel? |
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| 16:03.37 | ctrlER | jharrisonwk: but in the new system, i just copy those files over the old ones... im affraid it wont be that simple and trash the system |
| 16:03.54 | hellop | justin, I'm seeing that ATA133 can do like 45MB/s but SATA up to 600MB/s |
| 16:04.06 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: well backup the new files first |
| 16:04.06 | mindframe | hellop, in theory for SATA |
| 16:04.11 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: then yes just copy them over |
| 16:04.33 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: you will need to make sure that all /home/* directories and user files have the correct uid/gid |
| 16:04.44 | jharrisonwk | ctrlER: but other then that it should not cause many issues |
| 16:05.05 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: you just need gcc for the most part |
| 16:05.24 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: apt-get install build-esstential should give you everything you need |
| 16:05.35 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: you will need libncurses5-dev to run make menuconfig as well |
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| 16:05.47 | mindframe | thx |
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| 16:06.38 | hellop | but I bet there's no JumpDrives that can do 30MB/s |
| 16:07.21 | ctrlER | jharrisonwk: ill try that |
| 16:07.23 | ctrlER | thanks :) |
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| 16:08.44 | roe | how do I find out hwere a program installs to? |
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| 16:09.04 | stew | roe: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:09.53 | chafe | where is my kernel config |
| 16:09.59 | chafe | sorry for asking a simple question |
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| 16:10.11 | chafe | aha |
| 16:10.24 | jharrisonwk | chafe: figured it out? |
| 16:10.38 | chafe | there is a neat little utitlity that i can get to from grub isnt there |
| 16:11.10 | mindframe | ooh i found a broken package dependancy in etch |
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| 16:11.59 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: are you sure? |
| 16:12.04 | froh | how do i build a single binary package package from a linux-source package? |
| 16:12.24 | froh | i don't want to build for hppa and soon |
| 16:12.30 | chafe | gaah |
| 16:12.33 | rahul | !make-kpkg |
| 16:12.33 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 16:12.34 | mindframe | jharrisonwk, no it seems that tds mirror and internap mirror are giving me two different things... odd |
| 16:12.37 | chafe | where is the menu configurator for the kernel |
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| 16:12.56 | mindframe | tds.net mirror is funky |
| 16:13.44 | chafe | make menuconfig definitely doesnt work |
| 16:14.04 | stew | chafe: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 16:14.18 | froh | i know all this, but there is no target for the sourcepackage i need, so i will then have to manage patches manually |
| 16:15.23 | mindframe | but internap is oh so clogged |
| 16:15.26 | chafe | .... what? |
| 16:15.52 | mindframe | jharrisonwk, do you recommned a mirror? |
| 16:15.57 | stew | chafe: install those packages, and try "make menuconfig" again. |
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| 16:16.09 | stew | chafe: or be more specific about why "make menuconfig" isn't working |
| 16:16.22 | froh | in other words, if a source package has multiple targets, how do i choose just one? |
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| 16:16.33 | chafe | make menuconfig is supposed to bring up the kernel configuration menu right |
| 16:16.38 | gentgeen__ | can anyone tell me why /msg dpkg $ANYTHING does not seem to be working for me? works fine in other channels with other bots |
| 16:16.41 | stew | chafe: yes |
| 16:16.45 | eSa| | I'm compiling fuse_kio. During configure process I'm required to have KDE headers installed. Any hints about how is the required package named? |
| 16:16.54 | chafe | make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'. Stop. |
| 16:16.57 | chafe | im still getting this |
| 16:17.10 | stew | chafe: you have to be in a directory containing linux kernel source |
| 16:17.52 | chafe | aw shoot |
| 16:17.57 | chafe | i have the headers but not the source |
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| 16:19.06 | chafe | what is that command to show what kernel you are using |
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| 16:19.25 | azeem | chafe: uname -r |
| 16:19.39 | chafe | ah |
| 16:19.55 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: there are many mirrors |
| 16:19.58 | chafe | im using 2.6.17 but apt-get install kernel-source tries to install 2.4 |
| 16:20.01 | jharrisonwk | mindframe: choose one close to you |
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| 16:20.05 | karsten | jharrisonwk: ... and smoke |
| 16:20.10 | azeem | chafe: it's called linux-source now |
| 16:20.14 | jharrisonwk | karsten: confused |
| 16:20.15 | chafe | aha |
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| 16:20.37 | karsten | jharrisonwk: It's what they do it with. And it's working. |
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| 16:21.22 | jharrisonwk | karsten: do what with? |
| 16:21.51 | karsten | jharrisonwk: They do it with smoke and mirrors. |
| 16:22.14 | chafe | ass |
| 16:22.38 | jharrisonwk | karsten: do what with smoke and mirrors? |
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| 16:23.05 | karsten | jharrisonwk: It's hard to tell with all the smoke and reflections. |
| 16:23.31 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 16:23.35 | karsten | http://www.google.com/search?q=they+do+it+with+smoke+and+mirrors |
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| 16:27.16 | chafe | it looks like my kernel is pretty out dated |
| 16:27.19 | chafe | the source pakcages dont match |
| 16:27.33 | karsten | chafe: Um. That shouldn't be. |
| 16:27.46 | chafe | how should i update my kernel with apt-get if i want to include sources; or should i just install sources after updating kernel |
| 16:28.56 | karsten | chafe: If you want matching sources, one option is to build your own. |
| 16:28.57 | karsten | chafe: ...otherwise, simply grab the appropriate sources (matching major/minor version numbers) |
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| 16:30.13 | chafe | debian:/usr/src# uname -r |
| 16:30.14 | chafe | 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 16:30.26 | chafe | Package linux-source is a virtual package provided by: linux-source-2.6.17 2.6.17-9 linux-source-2.6.18 2.6.18-7 |
| 16:30.37 | chafe | so linux-source-2.6.17 would be okay? |
| 16:31.04 | karsten | yes |
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| 16:31.32 | chafe | oh god |
| 16:31.34 | chafe | Err http://ftp.au.debian.org testing/main linux-source-2.6.17 2.6.17-9 404 Not Found [IP: 203.16.234.86 80] |
| 16:31.46 | karsten | chafe: aptitude update |
| 16:32.23 | stew | chafe: debian no longer provides a linux-source-2.6.17, only a 2.6.18, you should either upgrade, or you'll have to find the source on sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:32.39 | chafe | aha |
| 16:32.48 | chafe | what is the best way to update kernel with apt-get? |
| 16:32.58 | karsten | chafe: .17 may have been one of the broken kernels. |
| 16:33.09 | karsten | chafe: aptitude install <kernel version> |
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| 16:33.18 | stew | chafe: what cpu do you have? |
| 16:33.18 | chafe | linux-2.6.18 |
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| 16:33.21 | karsten | chafe: ... and aptitude over apt-get. /msg dpkg aptitude. |
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| 16:33.30 | chafe | a pentium M 1.5 ghz |
| 16:33.33 | stew | chafe: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:33.35 | Xcalibre | gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or |
| 16:33.35 | Xcalibre | > directory |
| 16:33.37 | Xcalibre | how do i fix THAT? |
| 16:33.44 | stew | !b-e Xcalibre |
| 16:33.44 | dpkg | Xcalibre: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 16:34.00 | karsten | chafe: If you install an unspecified minor variant (what Xcalibre just told you) you'll track the most recent minor release of that. |
| 16:34.12 | Xcalibre | cheers |
| 16:34.29 | Xcalibre | karsten sorry? |
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| 16:35.30 | Xcalibre | karsten dont talk about my mother |
| 16:35.40 | karsten | Xcalibre: linux-image-2.6-686 is a virtual package tracking latest current minor release. |
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| 16:36.03 | Xcalibre | karsten yeah and? whats it got to do with me ? |
| 16:36.20 | karsten | Xcalibre: Um. Nothing. |
| 16:36.26 | karsten | s/Xcalibre/stew/ |
| 16:36.48 | Xcalibre | karsten you thought i was stew aye? |
| 16:37.05 | karsten | Xcalibre: No. I thought your mother was stew. |
| 16:37.18 | Xcalibre | karsten no your mother is here. |
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| 16:37.59 | Xcalibre | <karsten> chafe: If you install an unspecified minor variant (what Xcalibre just told you) you'll track the most recent minor r |
| 16:38.04 | Xcalibre | i didnt tell chafe anything |
| 16:38.15 | Xcalibre | a you retarded? |
| 16:38.32 | stew | Xcalibre: stop. he meant me, not you. please just drop it and more on |
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| 16:38.35 | Ronin | calm down Xcalibre it was a type |
| 16:38.35 | stew | s/more/move/ |
| 16:38.37 | Ronin | typo |
| 16:38.40 | karsten | Xcalibre: I'd misread stew's line, attributed it to you. Kapiche? |
| 16:38.48 | Xcalibre | yes |
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| 16:39.05 | Xcalibre | i was confused and wondering |
| 16:39.11 | Xcalibre | but i know now thank you. |
| 16:39.20 | karsten | de nada |
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| 16:41.04 | adLucem | on etch/gnome, how do i get programs to appear in the tray? |
| 16:41.29 | adLucem | (sorry, newbie) |
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| 16:42.10 | azeem | adLucem: the applications are doing it themselves |
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| 16:42.30 | azeem | adLucem: unless you mean the panel (in GNOME's case), to which you can add application starters via right click->add to panel |
| 16:43.34 | adLucem | azeem: yes, sorry, i meant the panel |
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| 16:44.38 | adLucem | azeem: through add to panel, i can t see app such as amule or skype. that s the kind of program i was talking about |
| 16:44.41 | nivanson | adLucem: Also, you can drag them from the Applications menu to the panel. |
| 16:45.04 | adLucem | onivanson: oh ok |
| 16:45.26 | sigterm | erm |
| 16:45.42 | azeem | adLucem: it's "Application Launcher", then you can specifiy which app |
| 16:45.48 | chafe | aptitude install linux-2.6.18 took like 3 seconds |
| 16:45.54 | chafe | i assume its installed? |
| 16:45.59 | chafe | i should see it in grub when i reboot? |
| 16:46.22 | piper69 | GOD no one is saying happy birthday to me |
| 16:46.25 | piper69 | darn :( |
| 16:46.28 | piper69 | ;) |
| 16:46.52 | stew | !+info linux-2.6.18 |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 16:46.56 | dpkg | Package 'linux-2.6.18' does not exist. |
| 16:47.04 | chafe | 8< |
| 16:47.07 | stew | chafe: there is no such package |
| 16:47.22 | MindCr | linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 16:47.28 | chafe | linux-image ok |
| 16:47.31 | adLucem | thx azeem and nivanson :) |
| 16:47.47 | stew | !+info linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 16:47.48 | dpkg | Package 'linux-image-2.6.18' does not exist. |
| 16:48.08 | stew | chafe: what are you trying to install? a kernel image? or kernel sources? |
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| 16:48.35 | chafe | kernel image, and kernel sources |
| 16:48.44 | Xcalibre | how do i delete a file and cannot recover it ? |
| 16:48.54 | chafe | linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 16:48.54 | petemc | shred |
| 16:48.59 | chafe | and linux-sources-2.6.18 |
| 16:49.09 | stew | chafe: linux-source-2.6.18 linux-source-2.6.18-686 |
| 16:49.14 | stew | chafe: you want 686, not 486 |
| 16:49.19 | chafe | :X |
| 16:49.20 | chafe | are you sure? |
| 16:49.31 | Xcalibre | ? |
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| 16:49.34 | stew | chafe: yes |
| 16:49.45 | MindCr | chafe, which processor you got? |
| 16:49.50 | stew | Xcalibre: you remove files with rm, once you remove a file with rm, you generally cant easily recover it |
| 16:49.53 | stew | MindCr: pentium M |
| 16:50.01 | MindCr | ok ;) |
| 16:50.15 | chafe | mentium M 1.5 ghz |
| 16:50.26 | Xcalibre | stew i mean complete remove |
| 16:50.30 | Flimqy | chafe: What kind of CPU do you use? |
| 16:50.31 | Xcalibre | even from hd data |
| 16:50.47 | Flimqy | Mentium? interesting... |
| 16:50.56 | stew | Xcalibre: shred |
| 16:50.57 | garotosopa | is it possible to know how many MB are the packages already installed? |
| 16:51.10 | Xcalibre | stew whats shred ? |
| 16:51.19 | Flimqy | Xcalibre: shred is the answer to your question. |
| 16:51.29 | stew | Xcalibre: a utility to completely remove something from the hard drive, "man shred" |
| 16:51.32 | Xcalibre | i asked what it was? |
| 16:51.38 | Xcalibre | ok |
| 16:51.41 | Xcalibre | cheers mate |
| 16:51.53 | Xcalibre | does it work thry command line or is it GUI? |
| 16:52.07 | petemc | Xcalibre: suck it and see |
| 16:52.22 | Xcalibre | im not gay thank you. |
| 16:52.24 | petemc | apt-get install coreutils |
| 16:52.38 | Xcalibre | k |
| 16:52.59 | petemc | garotosopa: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n - that will list packages by installed size, adjust to suit |
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| 16:54.08 | piper69 | is it possable to remote desktop(with GUN) from my windows box to my linux box |
| 16:54.28 | petemc | piper69: yes, you have a number of options, vnc for example |
| 16:54.53 | petemc | dont know about the GUNS |
| 16:55.12 | Xcalibre | shred -f -u -z t7_hacker.jpg |
| 16:55.14 | Xcalibre | nice yea? |
| 16:55.29 | piper69 | petemc: i meant Graphical User Interface lol, is VNC free for windows |
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| 16:55.37 | petemc | piper69: yeah |
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| 16:55.54 | garotosopa | petemc, thanks so much! |
| 16:55.59 | petemc | np |
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| 17:00.26 | chafe | woop |
| 17:00.34 | piper69 | would that be the viewer version |
| 17:01.08 | nivanson | Hi, I was about to install sun-java6-jdk but I noticed sun-java6-jre was not available. Was it so that the jre was not free or is simply not packaged yet? |
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| 17:01.48 | stew | nivanson: neither the jdk nor the jre are free |
| 17:02.32 | stew | nivanson: but both should be equally available from non-free |
| 17:02.36 | nivanson | stew: I see, it was only the sourcecode that was open sourced? |
| 17:02.46 | nivanson | nivanson: For Java libs I mean. |
| 17:03.30 | stew | nivanson: only a small part was open sourced, the rest should follow soon, but not enough to be usable has been open sourced yet |
| 17:03.30 | stew | nivanson: afaik, none of the java libs are open yet |
| 17:03.30 | nivanson | stew: Thank you. |
| 17:03.30 | nivanson | stew: I see. |
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| 17:04.22 | h3sp4wn | I think agpart is completely useless on a pci-e board - can anyone confirm whether I am correct or not |
| 17:06.09 | piper69 | !vnc server |
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| 17:07.06 | piper69 | !vnc |
| 17:07.07 | dpkg | vnc is probably Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
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| 17:08.50 | piper69 | dpkg: x-not-vnc |
| 17:08.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, x-not-vnc is instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one http://www.microimages.com/mix/mix-faq.htm) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about sshx to learn how) |
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| 17:09.37 | justin | isn't the good X server for windows these days xmingw32? |
| 17:09.38 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: you're right |
| 17:09.50 | stew | why is that factoid recommending a non-free x server when free ones are available? |
| 17:10.36 | justin | er, xmingw32 is something else |
| 17:10.53 | blondie | vnc will give better performance than X |
| 17:11.02 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: pci-e doesnt need a driver beyond pci support |
| 17:11.05 | justin | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming is the X server |
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| 17:11.57 | valdyn | blondie: circumstantially, not on a lan |
| 17:12.06 | blondie | sure |
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| 17:12.15 | blondie | shame there's not something like RDP for linux really |
| 17:12.27 | blondie | whatever sunrays use is good |
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| 17:12.43 | vbasicguru | Hi, everybody |
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| 17:13.42 | alskdfj | hi, does anybody have details on the date of the upcoming etch release? weeks, days? |
| 17:13.43 | stew | blondie: they use something proprietary |
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| 17:13.50 | blondie | stew: I know |
| 17:14.01 | stew | alskdfj: whenever the RC bug count is zero, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 17:14.04 | alskdfj | oh lol topic |
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| 17:14.11 | cahoot | alskdfj: it's always a matter of days |
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| 17:14.34 | chafe | ooooookkk |
| 17:15.08 | chafe | i booted with the new kernel and my wireless drivers werent working and i dont remember how i got them working so |
| 17:15.11 | chafe | :r |
| 17:15.30 | stew | chafe: which wireless driver? |
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| 17:15.59 | chafe | madwifi |
| 17:16.06 | chafe | i have to build it with the kernel? or something |
| 17:16.09 | chafe | i dont remember what the hell i did |
| 17:16.15 | chafe | its a cool driver though |
| 17:16.26 | chafe | ill have to read it again |
| 17:16.34 | chafe | i might have to build the kernel myself x< x< |
| 17:16.52 | chafe | im doing all this crap just so i can get power management working on the latest kernel |
| 17:16.54 | stew | !madwifi |
| 17:16.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 17:17.05 | chafe | yea |
| 17:17.06 | stew | chafe: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 17:18.21 | chafe | this is an annoying thing to try and do when i dont have another computer with intenret acces |
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| 17:19.08 | chafe | welp |
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| 17:19.41 | Greyhound | Hi |
| 17:21.09 | alskdfj | if i install etch now, will i have to do a whole lot of updating when it is released or can i then just update the fixed files? |
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| 17:22.03 | stew | alskdfj: you should make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list refers to "etch" not "testing", then just "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
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| 17:24.52 | Greyhound | i got capifs for my isdn installed, and it is working fine and all, but i have no idea how to dial in now.. |
| 17:25.34 | jeward_ | Hi, I'm tryingf to set up a dhcp server but I'm getting Jan 23 10:25:26 triton dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0). |
| 17:25.42 | valdyn | alskdfj: just fixes, some exceptions to that rule |
| 17:25.45 | jeward_ | Can someone help me out? |
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| 17:26.37 | Greyhound | i had a look in a dial script that my least-cost-router uses (on the same computer), and it is doing pppd logfile $LOG call bongosurfer/isdn & |
| 17:26.46 | valdyn | jeward_: read the error message and the config file and declare a subnet |
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| 17:27.07 | jeward_ | valdyn: I believe I do have one declared. |
| 17:27.29 | jeward_ | valdyn: subnet 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.224 { |
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| 17:28.38 | valdyn | jeward_: subnet does not fit to mask |
| 17:29.19 | jeward_ | valdyn: I just changed the commecnted out on in the supplide config file. |
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| 17:29.51 | chafe | grrr |
| 17:29.59 | jeward_ | valdyn: Sorry for the typos, I'm typing on a plastic covered keyboard in the attic of a warehouse. :-) |
| 17:30.49 | jeward_ | valdyn: I want to support 3-4 clients on eth1. |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | jeward_: which subnet is your eth1 really? |
| 17:31.47 | valdyn | jeward_: 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 17:32.16 | chafe | i thought aptitude and apt-get used the same repo lists? |
| 17:32.21 | jeward_ | valdyn: I was hoping to make it 192.168.1.0 |
| 17:32.34 | jeward_ | valdyn: Do I need to ifconfig it first? |
| 17:32.37 | chafe | apt-get is picking up packages that aptitude isnt picking up; ive been using apt-get and ive updated the repo list |
| 17:33.08 | azeem | chafe: example? |
| 17:33.12 | chafe | madiwif-source |
| 17:33.15 | azeem | what do you mean by "picking up" |
| 17:33.16 | chafe | madwifi |
| 17:33.31 | chafe | i mean its saying "package not found" when doing aptitude install madwifi-source |
| 17:33.34 | piper69 | stew: can you please advice me on which on eto pick vnc or do you have a free other one please |
| 17:33.40 | chafe | but its installing properly when doing apt-get install madwifi-source |
| 17:33.52 | valdyn | jeward_: dhcpd's error doesn't seem critical, it might still be running |
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| 17:34.10 | stew | piper69: not me. i've only used VNC and X |
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| 17:34.20 | azeem | chafe: what does "aptitude show madwifi-source" say? |
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| 17:34.33 | chafe | actually |
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| 17:34.38 | piper69 | setw i can't find the free copy of VNC |
| 17:34.38 | chafe | aptitude is not picking up any packages now |
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| 17:34.57 | chafe | after building databese |
| 17:34.58 | stew | piper69: apt-cache search vnc server ; apt-cache search vnc client |
| 17:35.07 | chafe | it says The following packages have been kept back: |
| 17:35.10 | chafe | and lists like 300 packages |
| 17:35.18 | stew | chafe: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 17:35.20 | chafe | and thats about it |
| 17:35.42 | valdyn | jeward_: paste the whole dhcpd.conf and what your nics are supposed to be be and the output of ifconfig, then maybe i can help |
| 17:35.50 | piper69 | stew: but i need the client to be on a windows machine so i can work on the linux machine from windows |
| 17:36.01 | jeward_ | valdyn: Okay, one sec. |
| 17:36.10 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:36.10 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:37.14 | rahul | CAMEL |
| 17:37.26 | chafe | so install -s packagename for each of the 3000 packages? |
| 17:37.36 | chafe | and solve each of those problems individually? |
| 17:37.50 | rahul | chafe: use the UI to see why they're getting held back |
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| 17:38.12 | piper69 | !windows vnc client |
| 17:38.12 | dpkg | This is #Debian, vnc client, not #bungholes! |
| 17:38.20 | stew | chafe: use the frontend, or dist-upgrade (but make sure to keep an eye on anything it wants to remove) |
| 17:38.37 | grendal_prime | alright.. |
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| 17:41.57 | jeward_ | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5159 |
| 17:42.52 | jeward_ | valdyn: It may be because I haven't managed to get eth1 configured yet. |
| 17:43.27 | valdyn | jeward_: subnet stanca describes your existing network, you have no network at that address and mask |
| 17:43.33 | DimmuR|away | can any1 advice me good antispam system for debian with postfix? |
| 17:44.03 | jeward_ | valdyn: How do I fix it? |
| 17:44.18 | valdyn | jeward_: set up your network interfaces |
| 17:44.50 | valdyn | !interfaces |
| 17:44.50 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 17:44.50 | jeward_ | valdyn: eth0 is set. I've editied /etc/network/interfaces, but eth1 doesn't seem to get set. |
| 17:45.01 | valdyn | jeward_: eth0 isnt set yet |
| 17:45.20 | valdyn | jeward_: maybe you changed the interfaces file, but that does not instantly do anything to eth0 |
| 17:45.21 | jeward_ | valdyn: TYes it is, it's set by DHCP from the DSL router. |
| 17:45.25 | valdyn | jeward_: maybe you changed the interfaces file, but that does not instantly do anything to eth0 or eth1 |
| 17:45.40 | jeward_ | valdyn I need to leave eth0 as is. |
| 17:45.44 | valdyn | jeward_: it is not, ifconfig would tell |
| 17:45.52 | jeward_ | valdyn: and enable dhcpd on eth1, |
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| 17:46.07 | valdyn | jeward_: ops, nm, well, eth0 is set, alright, but eth0 is irrelevant now anyway |
| 17:46.08 | rosen37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.15 | iostream | Will Java be available in main in etch+1 ? |
| 17:46.17 | jeward_ | valdyn: inet addr:65.101.185.108 Bcast:65.101.185.111 Mask:255.255.255.248 |
| 17:46.27 | jeward_ | valdyn Right. |
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| 17:47.11 | jeward_ | valdyn: Okay, got eth1 confiured. |
| 17:47.20 | jeward_ | valdyn: inet addr:192.168.10.1 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
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| 17:47.55 | valdyn | jeward_: funny bcast |
| 17:47.56 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.02 | valdyn | jeward_: how did you set that? |
| 17:48.19 | jeward_ | valdyn: ifup eth1 |
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| 17:48.37 | jeward_ | valdyn: I'll set it different. How do you recommend? |
| 17:48.37 | valdyn | jeward_: sure, but what's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:48.48 | jeward_ | less /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:48.49 | valdyn | jeward_: that you don't set bcast at all manually |
| 17:48.50 | jeward_ | Ooops. |
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| 17:49.27 | jeward_ | auto eth1 |
| 17:49.27 | jeward_ | iface eth1 inet static |
| 17:49.27 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.27 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.27 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.28 | valdyn | jeward_: your mask needs to be 192.168.x.y, not 255.0.0.0 |
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| 17:49.47 | jeward_ | OOops, sorry. |
| 17:49.55 | jeward_ | valdyn: Did you get that? |
| 17:50.00 | valdyn | jeward_: yea |
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| 17:50.09 | valdyn | jeward_: delete the network line |
| 17:50.16 | jeward_ | valdyn: What settings do you recommend? |
| 17:50.25 | valdyn | jeward_: change your mask to 192.168.255.255 |
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| 17:50.42 | valdyn | jeward_: or probably better change your mask to 192.168.1.255 |
| 17:50.55 | rahul | valdyn: HUH? |
| 17:50.59 | valdyn | jeward_: jeward_ not like that matters, as long its no bullshit mask as you had above |
| 17:51.07 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.10 | jeward_ | Like so? |
| 17:51.11 | valdyn | rahul: ops |
| 17:51.14 | rahul | jeward_: what are you trying to set up? |
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| 17:51.24 | jeward_ | rahul: dhcp on eth1 |
| 17:51.31 | jeward_ | dhcpd |
| 17:51.33 | valdyn | jeward_: 255.255.255.0 should be the mask |
| 17:51.38 | rahul | jeward_: then use dhcp |
| 17:51.40 | valdyn | jeward_: i _was_ confused |
| 17:51.47 | rahul | wtf does static have to do with this? |
| 17:51.56 | valdyn | rahul: he's setting up his dhcp server |
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| 17:52.22 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.22 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.25 | jeward_ | Better? |
| 17:52.25 | rahul | jeward_: your network better be the same on the router and the machines on the network |
| 17:52.29 | rahul | no no no |
| 17:52.42 | Gnea | jeward_: apt-get install sipcalc then run: sipcalc 192.168.10.1/24 |
| 17:52.48 | rahul | just have an address and a netmask |
| 17:52.52 | valdyn | jeward_: you don't need that broadcast line |
| 17:53.10 | SeanTater | Is this the best way to do this? --> ssh user@hostname " cat > file" <FIFO |
| 17:53.13 | jeward_ | Okay, fixed. |
| 17:53.20 | rahul | put the same netmask into your dhcp config and specify a range of IPs to dole out dynamically |
| 17:53.49 | rahul | SeanTater: should work |
| 17:54.12 | valdyn | jeward_: bring that interface up with those settings, let us see to verify |
| 17:54.12 | SeanTater | rahul: it died after only 1.7 GB of data -- I wondered if it was that |
| 17:54.25 | rahul | SeanTater: hmm. |
| 17:54.50 | jeward_ | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0B:DB:C4:3C:35 |
| 17:54.50 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.55 | SeanTater | rahul: any better way? |
| 17:55.06 | rahul | SeanTater: dunno... |
| 17:55.06 | jeward_ | Whoa, that's way wrong./ |
| 17:55.20 | rahul | jeward_: remove all the other settings besides address and netmask |
| 17:55.20 | valdyn | jeward_: that's the same old shit, ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 |
| 17:55.50 | jeward_ | valdyn: I did... |
| 17:55.54 | jeward_ | Twice. |
| 17:56.12 | valdyn | jeward_: maybe something is STILL wrong with your interfaces file |
| 17:56.34 | jeward_ | auto eth1 |
| 17:56.38 | jeward_ | iface eth1 inet static |
| 17:56.41 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.42 | SeanTater | rahul: nevermind -- it did work, I just didn't scroll down to see it finish -- thanks anyway |
| 17:56.44 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.46 | jeward_ | ? |
| 17:57.08 | valdyn | jeward_: that looks fine |
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| 17:57.21 | jeward_ | valdyn: uifdown isn't taking it down. |
| 17:57.38 | Xcalibre | You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins. |
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| 17:57.45 | valdyn | jeward_: 'ifdown eth1; ifconfig eth1 down' |
| 17:57.50 | Xcalibre | says that with every file fotmat. |
| 17:57.53 | Xcalibre | *format |
| 17:57.56 | Xcalibre | avi swf wmv |
| 17:57.58 | Xcalibre | etc etc |
| 17:57.59 | Xcalibre | why? |
| 17:58.14 | |zetetic| | hi, can I have Firestarter and Fireflier running at the some time? |
| 17:58.23 | jeward_ | valdyn: Still isn't going down. :-( |
| 17:58.27 | valdyn | |zetetic|: if both are firewalls, no |
| 17:58.39 | valdyn | jeward_: ifconfig eth1 down brought it down |
| 17:58.47 | Xcalibre | ? |
| 17:58.57 | valdyn | jeward_: now ifup eth1 |
| 17:58.58 | jeward_ | valdyn Still looks configured... |
| 17:59.09 | |zetetic| | valdyn: but one is a common firewall and the other (fireflier) is an apllication firewall |
| 17:59.27 | jeward_ | valdyn: Still comes up wroing. |
| 18:00.01 | valdyn | |zetetic|: don't mix those 2 |
| 18:00.04 | jeward_ | Shall I reboot? |
| 18:00.05 | Xcalibre | You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins. |
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| 18:00.45 | valdyn | jeward_: you can, but i don't get what you're doing wrong |
| 18:00.53 | azeem | Xcalibre: because those formats are proprietary, Debian has not the right to distribute them |
| 18:01.04 | |zetetic| | valdyn: I have firestarter installed. Do I need to purge firestarter before installing fireflier? (I really nedd an application firewall tool) |
| 18:01.06 | Xcalibre | idiot |
| 18:01.10 | jeward_ | valdyn: Mee ether. I'll reboot and brb. |
| 18:01.13 | valdyn | |zetetic|: nope |
| 18:01.14 | Xcalibre | so i cant play AVI files? |
| 18:01.28 | azeem | avi is just a container, it depends on the codec inside |
| 18:01.36 | azeem | if it's mpeg2, you can play it |
| 18:01.42 | azeem | mpeg4 probably not out of the box |
| 18:01.47 | azeem | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:01.47 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:01.51 | azeem | Xcalibre: check that ^^ |
| 18:01.53 | Xcalibre | dude |
| 18:01.54 | Xcalibre | stfu |
| 18:01.57 | stew | Xcalibre: i don't know who you are calling an idiot, but there is no need for that in here |
| 18:01.57 | Xcalibre | please shut up |
| 18:02.03 | azeem | Xcalibre: uhm, no |
| 18:02.12 | azeem | Xcalibre: I'm just telling you how it is |
| 18:02.12 | stew | Xcalibre: people are trying to help you, don't tell them to shut up |
| 18:02.18 | Xcalibre | no |
| 18:02.19 | Xcalibre | hes not |
| 18:02.36 | Ronin | ok one of you leave the computer Xcalibre |
| 18:02.37 | Xcalibre | ofcause you can play AVI files on debian |
| 18:02.43 | Dartagnan` | any one known 1 server for ipv6 in freenode ?? |
| 18:02.50 | azeem | I explained to you why those formats are not available out-of-the-box on Debian, and I told you how to get the codecs |
| 18:02.52 | stew | Xcalibre: not using software from debian |
| 18:02.58 | Xcalibre | ohh |
| 18:03.00 | valdyn | got to love people who call you idiot as soon as they do not understand anything |
| 18:03.06 | azeem | I said you can play mpeg2 avis on Debian. |
| 18:03.09 | Dartagnan` | any one known 1 server for ipv6 in freenode ?? |
| 18:03.10 | |zetetic| | valdyn: so I just install fireflier, stop firestater and deselect the auto-run check box on firestarter? |
| 18:03.12 | Ronin | valdyn: like talking to some of my users |
| 18:03.13 | Xcalibre | http://ubuntuos.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/howto-play-windows-media-video-wmv-in-ubuntu/ |
| 18:03.15 | Ronin | Dartagnan`: please stop that |
| 18:03.18 | madclicker | valdyn, ironic |
| 18:03.18 | Xcalibre | ii did as it asked |
| 18:03.18 | azeem | Dartagnan`: don't repeat questions |
| 18:03.21 | Xcalibre | still not working manye |
| 18:03.30 | azeem | Dartagnan`: if nobody knows the answer, ask again in an hour or so |
| 18:03.33 | Dartagnan` | give me 1 server |
| 18:03.43 | azeem | Dartagnan`: ask elsewhere, e.g. in #freenode |
| 18:03.45 | valdyn | |zetetic|: that should be ok |
| 18:03.48 | Ronin | Dartagnan`: have you looked on teh freenode website? |
| 18:04.09 | Dartagnan` | no |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn | Dartagnan`: http://www.freenode.net/ |
| 18:04.53 | Ronin | perhaps that would be a logical starting place? |
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| 18:05.45 | chafe | aaaaa |
| 18:06.00 | chafe | apt-get is showing linux-source-2.6.18 as being installed |
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| 18:06.08 | chafe | but i dont see a linux-source in /usr/src |
| 18:06.25 | stew | chafe: dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:06.30 | chafe | is it kbuild? |
| 18:06.44 | valdyn | chafe: it's probably there, its a .bz2 file |
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| 18:07.29 | chafe | bah |
| 18:07.35 | chafe | dpkg says it doesnt exist |
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| 18:07.40 | chafe | but linux-source-2.6.18 is already the newest version. |
| 18:07.47 | |zetetic| | valdyn: thanks you, you are very kind. just one more question: At this moment of course I have configured Firestarter with some rules I made (both outbound and inbound rules), and avery rule I create on Firestarter modifies the underlying IPTables. Shoul I delete all rules before installing Fireflier? I suspect that if I don't delete the rules I have created and install Fireflier, then this firewall will start using the rules created by Fire |
| 18:07.47 | |zetetic| | starter... |
| 18:07.56 | chafe | oh sweet it is a bz2 file |
| 18:07.59 | chafe | should i extract it? |
| 18:07.59 | rjent | Greetings, I have a customer who wants me to test cingular wireless data card of Network controller: Option N.V. Qualcomm MSM6275 UMTS chip . What will I need to get this to operate under linux? |
| 18:08.04 | chafe | to run make menuconfig |
| 18:09.37 | valdyn | |zetetic|: i would think firestarter resets your rules when you stop the firewall of that tool |
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| 18:11.26 | valdyn | |zetetic|: im not familiar with firefilier, its possible that it will reset your rules too before adding its own |
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| 18:13.23 | piper69 | stew: when you said you are using vnc, are you using it to connect from a windows based box to debian |
| 18:13.44 | |zetetic| | valdyn: thank you. what you are saying is perfectly logical. Just for the record... what Firewall are you using? I need an aplication firewall mainly because of peer2peer... I will have to open many ports in order to use P2P, but I only want to open them just for the P2P applications... thus the nedd for an apllication control firewall tool |
| 18:14.28 | |zetetic| | with firestarter when I open one port I open it to any application that decides to use that port... |
| 18:14.33 | minerale | has anyone here used z/OS ? |
| 18:14.56 | chafe | how do i know if acpi is working / on |
| 18:14.59 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: thanks - just noticed your earlier response |
| 18:15.03 | chafe | what is a qucik way to test that |
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| 18:15.17 | stew | piper69: no |
| 18:15.24 | azeem | chafe: ls /proc/acpi maybe |
| 18:15.30 | valdyn | |zetetic|: shorewall, alot more sophisticated than both of yours probably, and no GUI |
| 18:15.34 | stew | chafe: run "acpi -V" |
| 18:16.00 | chafe | acpi command not found |
| 18:16.04 | piper69 | stew: ok, do you know if what i am trying to do is possable, i am trying to connect from a windows based box to debian |
| 18:16.11 | stew | piper69: its definately possible |
| 18:16.11 | chafe | /proc/acpi has cool stuff in it though |
| 18:16.22 | stew | chafe: you'd have to install the acpi package to get the acpi binary |
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| 18:16.44 | chafe | ah |
| 18:16.49 | chafe | well the battery monitor still isnt working |
| 18:17.10 | stew | chafe: modprobe battery |
| 18:17.20 | piper69 | stew: can you please guide me or show me what application i will need... from what i read i will need vnc-server on linux but i don't know what to use in windows |
| 18:17.32 | stew | piper69: i dunno, i don't use windows |
| 18:17.38 | chafe | no support for the battery |
| 18:17.45 | stew | piper69: i'm sure google will turn up vnc clients for windows though |
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| 18:17.45 | chafe | or the adapter |
| 18:18.02 | chafe | thermal sensors are working |
| 18:18.15 | JordiGH | Can Konqueror do Gmail? I'm reading about how evil Gmail is about standards compliance and how it deliberately obfuscates its javascript code. :-( |
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| 18:18.39 | hypetech | is etch stable now? |
| 18:18.55 | rahul | JordiGH: gmail uses simple pop3. |
| 18:19.02 | JordiGH | rahul: I mean the web interface. |
| 18:19.20 | JordiGH | hypetech: Not yet. RSN. |
| 18:19.29 | janttsu | can't find checkinstall package (etch).. why? |
| 18:19.35 | hypetech | k |
| 18:19.48 | JordiGH | hypetech: Help us. Squash some bugs. :-) |
| 18:20.05 | rsk | janttsu: maybe its in contrib or non-free ? |
| 18:20.10 | rsk | or not just in etch.. |
| 18:20.11 | janttsu | no |
| 18:20.14 | rsk | its in sid |
| 18:20.23 | janttsu | it should be in etch shouldn't it? |
| 18:20.26 | rahul | JordiGH: oh, right. they have a non-AJAX version of the web app. |
| 18:20.27 | rsk | dunno |
| 18:20.45 | janttsu | rsk: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg291060.html |
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| 18:21.06 | janttsu | "I have already contacted the |
| 18:21.07 | janttsu | release team and the package wasn't allowed into the release." |
| 18:21.16 | |zetetic| | valdyn: I'm not an networking expert. When I was using Windows I used Outpost and configured it very well - the ports, the protocols, the type of connections (inbound, outbound, etc). But it was only a matter of answearing notification questions asked by Outpost everytime an application needed a new connection... Do you think shorewall would be too much difficult to someone like me? If so the probably it is better for me to try Fireflier? |
| 18:21.16 | rsk | there you go then |
| 18:21.26 | janttsu | what should i use then? :D |
| 18:21.34 | rsk | sid :)? |
| 18:21.37 | janttsu | ... |
| 18:22.07 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
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| 18:22.41 | cydork | rsk: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:22.50 | JordiGH | Checking checkinstall's dependencies, it seems that it should work in etch. |
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| 18:23.11 | chafe | okay so acpi -V |
| 18:23.15 | JordiGH | Maybe it's nevertheless too buggy for etch. |
| 18:23.17 | chafe | says battery and adapter are not supported |
| 18:23.28 | chafe | i guess this means that acpi isnt supported? |
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| 18:24.04 | rahul | chafe: do you have a laptop? |
| 18:24.12 | janttsu | JordiGH: i can find checkinstall only in stable and unstable, not testing |
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| 18:24.45 | JordiGH | janttsu: Indeed, but the dotdeb from unstable should install cleanly in testing without pulling in other dependencies from unstable. |
| 18:24.50 | chafe | rahul: yes |
| 18:24.58 | xsdg | chafe: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:25.03 | janttsu | JordiGH: ok i'll try that |
| 18:25.10 | chafe | get some kind of power management working |
| 18:25.11 | rahul | chafe: maybe you need to load acpi modules |
| 18:25.17 | chafe | ahh |
| 18:25.17 | janttsu | or maybe i compile it from source :D |
| 18:25.22 | rahul | kernel modules |
| 18:25.32 | JordiGH | janttsu, try installing the dotdeb first. Then do source. |
| 18:25.37 | janttsu | ok |
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| 18:26.55 | chafe | acpi modules |
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| 18:27.18 | |zetetic| | I'm also interested on checkinstalll but it is not on etch. Where can I find the dotdeb checkinstall from unstable? |
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| 18:27.49 | janttsu | |zetetic|: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/checkinstall |
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| 18:28.35 | JordiGH | janttsu, with the usual caveats that there are usually very good reasons why something isn't in testing yet. Then again, Debian is renowned for its paranoid bug administration. :-) |
| 18:28.35 | |zetetic| | janttsu: thanks |
| 18:28.43 | JordiGH | Oy, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=checkinstall&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
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| 18:28.51 | JordiGH | "Leaves system in unusable state" |
| 18:28.51 | chafe | aweosmeeeee |
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| 18:28.55 | chafe | modprobe battery |
| 18:28.56 | JordiGH | That seems like a very nasty bug. |
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| 18:28.57 | chafe | A+ |
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| 18:29.20 | badbugs | php-accelerator isn't it on etch ? |
| 18:30.07 | chafe | the pannel applet stil doesnt work though |
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| 18:30.22 | JordiGH | Er, wait. That bug is resolved. #404452 is probably a good reason why checkinstall isn't going to make to etch. |
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| 18:30.39 | |zetetic| | considering the nasty bug, it should be wisier to install checkinstall from source, instead of using the deb? |
| 18:30.40 | emubite | How can I remap the Apple (command) key on my Macbook to make it the ctrl key? |
| 18:30.58 | JordiGH | emubite, xmodmap |
| 18:31.13 | JordiGH | In X. I'm not sure how to remap keys in a tty. |
| 18:31.16 | prock_ | I've got a build server and I want to upgrade/downgrade third-party dependancies (via script) in order to meet the requirements for the different versions of what I am building. I am doing "apt-get -y install ..." from my script but it is failing sometimes because it is scared to downgrade packages. I am scared to give it --force-yes. Is it possible to tell apt that it is always safe to upgrade/downgrade a particular |
| 18:32.04 | emubite | I'll give that a try. Do you know the syntax? |
| 18:32.20 | JordiGH | |zetetic|, the checkinstall bug is labelled "upstream", which suggests that the source tarball would have the same bug. |
| 18:32.32 | crazy_penguin | hi to all! |
| 18:32.44 | janttsu | JordiGH: yes, i just tried checkinstall and installation seems to fail |
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| 18:33.13 | JordiGH | emubite, I forgot it, sorry. The manpage might be of use. Also, xev is useful to know what X thinks is going on when you press the apple key. |
| 18:33.14 | prock_ | emubite: running debian on Macbook or just Aqua with X11? |
| 18:33.35 | emubite | Running Ubuntu (no help in there, though!) on Macbook. |
| 18:33.41 | emubite | Should be the same process, though. |
| 18:33.44 | JordiGH | Right, I thought something was fishy. |
| 18:33.53 | JordiGH | Does Debian do ppc? |
| 18:34.04 | prock_ | emubite: tty remapping in debian is done via 'loadkeys'. You can use 'showkey' to figure out what is what. |
| 18:34.09 | cydork | !ppc |
| 18:34.09 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 18:34.16 | emubite | I'm actually on a MacBook which is Intel based. |
| 18:34.17 | JordiGH | !knoppixsmite emubite |
| 18:35.07 | emubite | :) |
| 18:35.32 | prock_ | emubite: the pre intel apple laptops have very inflexible keyboards though... YMMV with the macbooks. |
| 18:35.50 | emubite | I'll give it a shot. |
| 18:35.53 | emubite | Thanks for the help! |
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| 18:36.43 | diesel | hi somebody who can help with reolution in debian? |
| 18:36.59 | azeem | try to explain your problem in more detail |
| 18:37.13 | azeem | and paste error messages to a pastebin, if you get any |
| 18:37.15 | diesel | i cant change my resolution to 1024 |
| 18:37.31 | azeem | which version of Debian and which graphics cards? |
| 18:37.35 | JordiGH | With revolution in Debian? http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/tux-guevara.png |
| 18:37.35 | azeem | card* |
| 18:37.36 | diesel | in my xfree86 its set to 1024 |
| 18:37.36 | rahul | diesel: vga text console, fbcon, or X? |
| 18:37.40 | diesel | x |
| 18:37.51 | diesel | xfree86 |
| 18:37.56 | JordiGH | Oh, resolution. N/m. |
| 18:37.57 | azeem | diesel: what do you mean with "in my xfree86"? |
| 18:38.28 | piper69 | ok installed vnc server , how can i read the docs that came with is where can i find them ? |
| 18:38.40 | stew | piper69: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 18:38.57 | piper69 | stew: thanks |
| 18:38.58 | diesel | in my nano -w /etc/x11/xf86 |
| 18:39.50 | diesel | its set o 1024 |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | that's not the correct config file |
| 18:39.59 | azeem | diesel: 19:26 < azeem> which version of Debian and which graphics cards? |
| 18:39.59 | diesel | but i cant change it |
| 18:40.16 | diesel | debian sarge newest |
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| 18:40.57 | azeem | diesel: did you read the second part of my question? |
| 18:41.00 | diesel | Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 18:41.05 | azeem | ok |
| 18:41.21 | azeem | diesel: /etc/x11/xf86 shouldn't exist |
| 18:41.37 | azeem | please tell us exactly which file you mean and whether (and how) you changed it, if so |
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| 18:41.55 | diesel | /etc/X11/xf86config |
| 18:41.57 | diesel | exists |
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| 18:42.05 | azeem | XF86Config-4? |
| 18:42.25 | diesel | yeps |
| 18:42.59 | azeem | don't edit that file manually |
| 18:43.07 | azeem | so, did you edit it? |
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| 18:43.59 | diesel | nope |
| 18:44.29 | azeem | !drxx |
| 18:44.30 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:44.30 | diesel | i didnt |
| 18:44.50 | azeem | diesel: check that the i810 driver is selected, hit enter on all other questions |
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| 18:45.09 | diesel | where??? |
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| 18:45.52 | JordiGH | diesel: what dpkg just said was addressed at you. |
| 18:45.55 | mamboadm | i am having an issue with apache...http://pastebin.ca/325917 |
| 18:46.05 | RespectTheRules | Hello, Just a question. How to activate the 3D accelerator . My graphic card is ATI 9800 . |
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| 18:46.18 | JordiGH | !fglrx |
| 18:46.18 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 18:46.30 | xsdg | I have a non-package-managed library that just has a static library installed. Is there any way to tell what version it is? |
| 18:46.39 | RespectTheRules | fglrx is still added |
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| 18:46.50 | azeem | xsdg: usually not |
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| 18:46.57 | xsdg | ok |
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| 18:47.30 | azeem | xsdg: the library might provide a function to request the version, but from the outside, I'd say no |
| 18:47.34 | diesel | changed it ti i810 |
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| 18:47.39 | diesel | restart now?? |
| 18:47.49 | JordiGH | diesel: restart X. |
| 18:48.10 | JordiGH | Actually, I'm not sure if zapping X will re-read the config files. I forgot. |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman | it does |
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| 18:50.00 | piper69 | when i start vnc it asked me for a password , but i didn't config anything yet, how can i config it , i tried to read the docs that came with it but it's not talking about it? |
| 18:50.42 | valdyn | piper69: vnc needs a server to talk to, which server is it talking to? |
| 18:50.50 | piper69 | valdyn: that is the vnc server |
| 18:51.03 | piper69 | i typed vncserver in the shell and it asked me for a password |
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| 18:51.35 | hardcoffee | yopyop i got a problem here |
| 18:51.36 | valdyn | piper69: oh, so it just wants a name/password pair whoever connects to it |
| 18:51.42 | valdyn | piper69: oh, so it just wants a name/password pair for whoever connects to it |
| 18:51.56 | valdyn | !tell hardcoffee -about ask |
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| 18:52.39 | hardcoffee | i just mount a partition like that : /dev/sda1 ntfs defaults,user,ro 0 0 |
| 18:52.46 | piper69 | valdyn: should be a config file or setup for it? no? |
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| 18:52.51 | diesel | didnt work |
| 18:52.55 | hardcoffee | i just mount a partition like that : /dev/sda1 /mnt/1 ntfs defaults,user,ro 0 0 |
| 18:53.05 | valdyn | |zetetic|: probably not to difficult, but its huge by features and config files, might take you a huge time to sift through, depending on your networking knowledge |
| 18:53.13 | chafe | i like how the estimated time on battery life is almost useless |
| 18:53.24 | hardcoffee | and in nautilus when i try to go in , he say i haven t the permision to READ the drive |
| 18:53.25 | chafe | 2 hours left |
| 18:53.27 | piper69 | hardcoffee: i could be wrong but it need to be FAT32 |
| 18:53.32 | chafe | refresh 10 minutes later and it loses a half an hour |
| 18:53.34 | hardcoffee | no |
| 18:53.37 | chafe | refresh a half hour later and it loses an hour |
| 18:53.41 | hardcoffee | just for read it s ok |
| 18:54.00 | hardcoffee | u need to be in fat32 for read/write |
| 18:54.06 | valdyn | chafe: unfortunately computers cant yet predict your usage pattern |
| 18:54.15 | chafe | i guess my battery is just discharging at some exponential rate |
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| 18:54.19 | chafe | yea |
| 18:54.22 | JordiGH | ,mand... |
| 18:54.24 | chafe | its like predicting a download time |
| 18:54.30 | JordiGH | Why does my fstab entry for /dev/sda1 have mand on it? |
| 18:54.44 | hardcoffee | and i have see now there is existing a paquet for write on ntfs partition, but i format my comp so i loose the adress |
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| 18:54.49 | valdyn | JordiGH: 'mand' ? |
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| 18:55.04 | valdyn | !ntfs |
| 18:55.04 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 18:55.05 | JordiGH | valdyn: Yep, it's there. Maybe I typoed something. |
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| 18:55.40 | hardcoffee | oh REAL THX valdyn |
| 18:55.41 | JordiGH | Ah, "allow mandatory locks on this filesystem" |
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| 18:55.47 | diesel | azeem didntwork |
| 18:56.18 | azeem | diesel: check /var/log/X*log for lines with (EE) |
| 18:56.54 | stew | diesel: you tried to edit your x config by hand? which file did you edit? |
| 18:57.01 | piper69 | valdyn: can you help me with my vnc issue |
| 18:57.02 | chops | mamboadm: debian != ubuntu |
| 18:57.10 | JordiGH | Nope, I'm still not enlightened. Why did I put 'mand' there? It's a mount option for my ext2 usb pendrive. |
| 18:57.19 | mamboadm | chops, yeah they have no answer for me |
| 18:57.27 | valdyn | JordiGH: maybe it was not you who did that |
| 18:57.36 | JordiGH | valdyn: No, I'm pretty sure it was me. :-) |
| 18:58.51 | chafe | this class makes me angry |
| 18:58.57 | diesel | no EE |
| 18:59.17 | JordiGH | valdyn: I think I was having some issues mounting the ext2 pendrive with permissions. I think mand fixed it. |
| 18:59.20 | diesel | didnt do it by myself |
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| 18:59.30 | valdyn | JordiGH: nah |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | JordiGH: mand does something else |
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| 19:00.05 | valdyn | JordiGH: man just allows a file to be locked, , reads like windows uses to lock files |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | JordiGH: if you know what im talking about... |
| 19:00.26 | KaiHanari | how do you get timestamps on dmesg? |
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| 19:00.40 | JordiGH | valdyn: I think so... |
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| 19:00.51 | valdyn | JordiGH: popular windows error: 'cant remove file because its in use' ( not literally ) |
| 19:01.16 | KaiHanari | or, if theres a more specific system log, what is it? |
| 19:01.20 | JordiGH | valdyn: I think I've seen that. :-) |
| 19:01.22 | chafe_ | what the hell |
| 19:01.32 | chafe_ | every time i install anything with aptitude it removes gedit |
| 19:01.34 | stew | KaiHanari: what information are you actually looking for? |
| 19:01.36 | JordiGH | KaiHanari, /var/log has the logs. What are you looking for? |
| 19:02.03 | JordiGH | chafe, find out why. It could possibly think that gedit is unused. |
| 19:02.24 | KaiHanari | my router resets from time to time, usually a lot, i wasnt around and i think it reset, dmesg shows a eth1 link down then up, but i need to know exactly when it happened |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | KaiHanari: /var/log/messages |
| 19:02.51 | stew | KaiHanari: try /var/log/syslog |
| 19:04.13 | chafe_ | jesus christ |
| 19:04.20 | chafe_ | so if i have 300 kept back packages |
| 19:04.35 | KaiHanari | Yikes |
| 19:04.36 | valdyn | !kept back |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 19:04.37 | chafe_ | i have to -s install all of them and solve each problem individually |
| 19:04.40 | KaiHanari | i had no idea so much was logged |
| 19:04.43 | KaiHanari | Thanks |
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| 19:05.00 | valdyn | chafe: no you don't |
| 19:05.03 | KaiHanari | syslog is gonna be really useful for a lot of stuff, and messages did the trick |
| 19:05.13 | stew | chafe_: or you use the aptitude frontend, or you run aptitude dist-upgrade (and be mindful of which packages it wants to remove) |
| 19:05.24 | _ds_ | I usually find that when a packages list inexplicably goes missing and I try to install a specific package... |
| 19:05.38 | chafe_ | i did the dist-upgrade already |
| 19:05.45 | chafe_ | and now i have kept back packages |
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| 19:06.07 | zibi | witam |
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| 19:06.21 | valdyn | chafe: dpkg told you how to find out why that is so |
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| 19:07.16 | zibi | sombady knew how to connect to polisch chanel ? |
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| 19:07.27 | azeem | !pl |
| 19:07.28 | dpkg | pl is, like, sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 19:07.53 | zibi | ok thanx :) |
| 19:08.00 | chafe_ | god damnit |
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| 19:08.09 | chafe_ | 10 minutes of battery left and this class isnt over yet |
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| 19:13.00 | majhoul | salam |
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| 19:16.00 | PeterC | Hello! I'm trying to setup a TwinView under Debian. I would appreciate if someone could take a look at http://pastebin.ca/325830 if something is obviously wrong. I have also tried #nvidia and #xorg without any answers. Thought I should try here as well. |
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| 19:20.20 | iostream | Will Java be available in main in etch+1 ? |
| 19:20.33 | azeem | iostream: hopefully, but unknown |
| 19:20.43 | stew | iostream: it all depends on sun, they have to release it with a free license first |
| 19:20.52 | azeem | iostream: actually, *a* free java implementation is available in etch, just not Sun's |
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| 19:21.07 | iostream | stew: I thought they already did? Or are they still sorting it out? |
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| 19:21.30 | stew | iostream: they are doing it piece at a time, and they have only done the first of many pieces |
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| 19:22.02 | iostream | stew: okay, so I guess time will tell :) Still a good amount to etch+1 :) |
| 19:22.06 | iostream | amount of time* |
| 19:22.17 | Iraqi | hi |
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| 19:24.43 | hummer | damosu: Para levantar la eth0 con DHCP a mano o sea con ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 19:25.40 | master_proper | hi |
| 19:25.50 | stew | !es |
| 19:25.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:26.22 | hummer | dpkg. thnks, |
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| 19:28.48 | master_proper | Today I have set up a virtual network interface tap0 for VirtualBox. It works fine when used in a bridge. Now I want to setup proxy_arp instead of bridging. However there is no /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/tap0 directory. Can someone help me with this issue please? |
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| 19:31.58 | eeyore- | has anybody done ethernet over firewire? do i just plug two computers in via firewire cable? nothing special? |
| 19:32.06 | Draconicus | brb |
| 19:32.12 | eeyore- | (no smokes, right? :-) |
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| 19:33.05 | jaimono | hi! does someone knows the new code name for Debian testing? |
| 19:33.23 | stew | jaimono: currently etch, the next will be lenny |
| 19:33.54 | jaimono | thanks stew |
| 19:34.22 | jaimono | Has it swapped from toy story to the simpsons? |
| 19:34.43 | Ronin | jaimono: nope, still toy story |
| 19:35.29 | stew | jaimono: the binoculars |
| 19:35.53 | minerale | hello, has anyone used z/OS before? I need a terminal emulator to connect to the mainfraime ( 3270 ) and I did not find a package, anyone know of any emulators ? |
| 19:36.43 | stew | minerale: apt-cache search 3270 |
| 19:36.59 | minerale | stew: tried that :/ |
| 19:37.19 | stew | minerale: c3270 and x3270 won't work? |
| 19:37.31 | minerale | they never came up |
| 19:37.57 | minerale | only hercules and linux gazette |
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| 19:39.06 | sorl_ | anyone know good xenhost in europe or cheap server? |
| 19:39.10 | minerale | hmm, I get: Package x3270 is not available, but is referred to by another package. .. no installation candidate |
| 19:39.24 | stew | minerale: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:39.55 | minerale | 3.1 sarge |
| 19:40.01 | minerale | with backports |
| 19:40.12 | stew | !info x3270 sarge |
| 19:40.29 | stew | hrm |
| 19:40.38 | stew | yeah, i guess not |
| 19:40.47 | Flimqy | Is there any way to emulate the boot process in a chroot? I'm trying to debug some boot script failures that render the machine unresponsive on the console and over the network |
| 19:40.50 | stew | minerale: they are in testing/unstable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:40.59 | stew | Flimqy: xen? |
| 19:41.03 | Flimqy | so it would be handy to use the same filesystem in a chroot |
| 19:41.18 | Flimqy | stew: Xen has the same limitations that a physical machine does in this case, I think |
| 19:41.40 | Flimqy | I don't need to boot a new kernel or anything |
| 19:41.45 | Guerin | sorl_: not in europe, but rimuhosting is superb |
| 19:41.50 | Flimqy | I guess I just need to spawn a dummy 'init' that runs thru the boot scripts |
| 19:41.58 | minerale | stew: yeah, I pay about $170/yr for a 128ram 6g drive debian sarge running under xen, love it |
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| 19:42.22 | Guerin | man, that's cheap |
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| 19:42.25 | sorl_ | Guerin, 160ms ping, too much from sweden :/ |
| 19:42.39 | Flimqy | I pay $15/mo ($180/yr) for 10gb, unlimited transfer, 128mb RAM, running Debian |
| 19:42.42 | Guerin | sorl_: depends what you need it for. |
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| 19:42.54 | Guerin | Flimqy: on a xen host? |
| 19:43.01 | Flimqy | Guerin: I think they're using virtuozzo |
| 19:43.05 | Guerin | ah |
| 19:43.06 | sorl_ | Guerin, yes, well cutomers webhost |
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| 19:43.23 | Guerin | sorl_: heh ... 160ms isn't bad. |
| 19:43.24 | Flimqy | Guerin: Which is "better" than Xen in some ways... namely, I can use more than 128mb of RAM, if it's not being used by other VMs at the time |
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| 19:44.13 | minerale | xen is much better, you get your own kernel, virtuozzo sharkes the same kernel with all users, and there's limitations on the number of open files etc etc, plus on xen you can compile your own kernel modules |
| 19:44.18 | sorl_ | Guerin, maybe not but i need something around 50ms :) |
| 19:44.19 | minerale | s/sharkes/shares |
| 19:44.40 | Flimqy | minerale: Yes... Xen is also "better" in some ways. Both approaches have their pros and cons. |
| 19:44.50 | Guerin | sorl_: web hosts are like cars. Fash, good, cheap - pick two. |
| 19:44.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 19:44.54 | Ny-Ty | question: /quit and /part are sitting on tree. /part throw down. Who stays on the tree? |
| 19:44.55 | Guerin | Fast |
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| 19:45.06 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: /quit |
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| 19:45.11 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: you lose |
| 19:45.13 | Ny-Ty | anythink next answer ? |
| 19:45.16 | vick | How do i add a printer in etch ? |
| 19:45.17 | Flimqy | Guerin: I don't think "good" belongs in that list. |
| 19:45.23 | Flimqy | Guerin: Maybe you mean reliable. |
| 19:45.30 | Flimqy | Guerin: "good" is a VERY subjective term :) |
| 19:45.34 | vick | Or is that kde/gnome/etc.. based ? |
| 19:45.46 | Guerin | Flimqy: `good' encompasses reliable/support/etc |
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| 19:45.53 | Guerin | Flimqy: but yes ;) |
| 19:46.02 | Flimqy | Guerin: For some, "good" just means "fast and cheap" :P |
| 19:46.03 | minerale | ny-ty: you are in a race and you just passed the guy in second position, what position are you in ? |
| 19:46.18 | Guerin | vick: not at all. Intall cupsys and go to localhost:631 |
| 19:46.20 | Flimqy | Guerin: For me, "good" means I get 45mpg, and can burn free fuel in my car :) |
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| 19:46.23 | vick | Ny-Ty, second. |
| 19:46.28 | vick | grr |
| 19:46.31 | sorl_ | Guerin, yea, my provider was great until some jusk on my machione started utilizing enomous ammounts of cpu |
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| 19:46.57 | Guerin | sorl_: i ran john on my UML host once |
| 19:47.03 | Guerin | that made me unpopular |
| 19:47.32 | Guerin | but I found out that one of my user's passwords was `bunnies' and another was `j3sus' |
| 19:47.34 | sorl_ | Guerin, they no good? |
| 19:47.42 | minerale | could someone who is running etch give me the dependencies for c3270 and x3270 ? |
| 19:48.00 | Guerin | sorl_: john the ripper is a password cracking program which uses *gobs* of cpu for days at a time if you let it |
| 19:48.08 | minerale | err, nvm got them on google |
| 19:48.23 | sorl_ | Guerin, popular i can imagine |
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| 19:48.53 | sorl_ | Guerin, is it possible for xen to restrict cpu usage somehow? |
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| 19:49.15 | Flimqy | sorl_: I know Xen can limit the number of cores each VM uses. Beyond that, I don't know for sure. |
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| 19:49.57 | sorl_ | better to get yer own server... but its still alot more $$ |
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| 19:50.45 | sorl_ | i got 100/10mbit at home for like $50/month but im not allowed to have "commercial" traffic, frustrating |
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| 19:54.48 | dudas222 | hi |
| 19:54.54 | dudas222 | i ve a problem |
| 19:54.56 | dudas222 | insalling |
| 19:54.59 | dudas222 | debian in scsi |
| 19:55.06 | dudas222 | kernel panic, init not found |
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| 19:56.52 | piper69 | i setup vnc server and every time i run the clinet to connect i get connection refused |
| 19:57.06 | PaSurf | I am looking at running ltsp on a debian server. what basic packages and if applicable sources would I need to get started... |
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| 20:02.17 | piper69 | when i try to connect to vncserver i get unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) |
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| 20:02.57 | Hoxzer | piper69: sounds like the comp ytou are trying to connect is not running vncserver |
| 20:03.26 | LetoAtreidesII | or some kind of firewall is blocking you |
| 20:03.28 | piper69 | Hoxzer: i did run it |
| 20:03.44 | Hoxzer | could be firewall then as LetoAtreidesII |
| 20:03.46 | Hoxzer | said |
| 20:04.28 | piper69 | Hoxzer: LetoAtreidesII : i am every trying it in the same machine |
| 20:04.51 | LetoAtreidesII | using xen, or vmware? |
| 20:05.21 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 20:05.22 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 20:05.22 | LetoAtreidesII | sure that the vncserver is correctly configured? |
| 20:05.25 | justin | piper69: ~/.vnc/ read the log |
| 20:06.04 | streuner | !factinfo connection refused |
| 20:06.05 | dpkg | connection refused -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Wed Aug 11 14:58:38 2004 (895 days); it has been requested 45 times, last by Guerin, 43s ago. |
| 20:06.10 | streuner | haha |
| 20:06.23 | PaSurf | I am looking at running ltsp on a debian server. what basic packages and if applicable sources would I need to get started... |
| 20:06.29 | Zta | I have a problem mounting a nfs4 on a Debian, exported from an Ubuntu server. It mounts perfectly locally on the server, but when I mount in on the client I get an error while mounting, and though it does mount, permissions are screwed and makes the mount point unusable. The client DOES have the rpc.idmapd running, still I get this error: Warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid. Is ther |
| 20:06.31 | streuner | Who else make such good factoids...? |
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| 20:07.06 | LetoAtreidesII | some vnc servers reject incoming connecting if there are no valid access passwords set, f.e. |
| 20:07.06 | streuner | What a loose for us... |
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| 20:07.18 | Guerin | streuner: loss |
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| 20:07.28 | streuner | Guerin: ah, thanks. |
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| 20:07.49 | piper69 | justin: Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901 |
| 20:07.53 | Guerin | :) |
| 20:08.08 | justin | piper69: and what port are you trying to connect to? |
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| 20:08.40 | piper69 | justin: i just type xvnc4server hostname |
| 20:08.56 | roe | anyone use amavisd-new here? I'm running into some trouble with configuring so spam headers show up in all email, and since it seems debian re-organized the package I can't find much help |
| 20:09.00 | LetoAtreidesII | xvnc*4*server??? |
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| 20:09.50 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: what, am not suppouse to use that one? |
| 20:09.52 | RAk | hello all |
| 20:10.33 | LetoAtreidesII | imho the standard is xvncserver |
| 20:10.43 | piper69 | i have that too |
| 20:10.43 | LetoAtreidesII | or maybe try tightvnc |
| 20:11.00 | LetoAtreidesII | tight worked fine for me |
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| 20:13.02 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: do i have to remove the vncserver then and install the tightvnc |
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| 20:14.29 | LetoAtreidesII | don't know... just tried it once |
| 20:14.37 | LetoAtreidesII | worked fine |
| 20:14.51 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: how do i run it |
| 20:15.01 | LetoAtreidesII | try to aptitude install it |
| 20:15.15 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: i installed it , i want to run it |
| 20:15.37 | LetoAtreidesII | is there no manpage, faq or wahtsoever? |
| 20:16.34 | piper69 | huh a typical linux user |
| 20:16.36 | piper69 | lol |
| 20:16.56 | LetoAtreidesII | in generall, register it in your inetd and start it |
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| 20:17.33 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: how would i do that please? |
| 20:17.55 | LetoAtreidesII | using gui or cli? |
| 20:18.13 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: i don't know how ? |
| 20:18.26 | RAk | I have an etch system, for some reason I can't print from wine |
| 20:18.32 | tdn | I have a few services (proftpd and apache2) that I do not want to start up each time I boot. I only want them to start when I start them manually. How is the right way to disable the automatical start up? |
| 20:18.33 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: also you don't have to show me if that will bother you |
| 20:18.36 | RAk | can somebody guide me which packages are needed to be able to print with cups ? |
| 20:18.50 | LetoAtreidesII | you don't know if you use a gui or a cli??? |
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| 20:19.38 | streuner | RAk: what kind fo printer do you have? |
| 20:19.46 | karsten | RAk: Generally: cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client |
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| 20:19.57 | piper69 | LetoAtreidesII: gui |
| 20:20.07 | streuner | RAk: if you want print via 'wine', that's a different story then... |
| 20:20.27 | LetoAtreidesII | kde has some kind of interface for it... |
| 20:20.30 | niles | hi |
| 20:20.32 | RAk | streuner: via wine |
| 20:20.48 | streuner | RAk: wth you want print over wine? |
| 20:20.48 | RAk | regular printing to a smb shared printer works |
| 20:21.03 | chops | tdn: Edit /etc/default/apache2 for apache |
| 20:21.12 | LetoAtreidesII | as said, check google, manpage, faq... i just don't know right now |
| 20:21.15 | niles | i just bough a new motherboard. i turned on my new computer, after not being on for a few days. and relized the CPU fan was not running. |
| 20:21.17 | RAk | streuner: I have a custom program made for windoz and I run it with wine |
| 20:21.27 | niles | it was about 30 seconds of no cpu fan, but the heat sink is on. |
| 20:21.34 | niles | is the processor done for? |
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| 20:21.41 | LetoAtreidesII | tdn: edit the runlevel inits via update-rc.d |
| 20:21.42 | niles | the processor has not been runing for days though |
| 20:21.53 | chops | tdn: (And likewise for proftpd) |
| 20:21.59 | streuner | good luck, there are easier ways to shoot yourself into foot... |
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| 20:22.25 | streuner | RAk: what's the name of the 'custom program'? |
| 20:22.42 | LetoAtreidesII | streuner: WoW *g* |
| 20:23.15 | RAk | streuner: scroll.exe, some .hu based program |
| 20:23.50 | RAk | streuner: it's not the program, but I might need some libs or so, libwine-print is installed, theoretically it should work |
| 20:23.53 | streuner | RAk: dunno what scroll.exe is, so you think there is nothing in Linux then? |
| 20:24.07 | eeyore- | niles: what kind of processor? |
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| 20:24.16 | RAk | streuner: nothing can replace it... but I had this working from wine before... |
| 20:24.34 | RAk | just older sarge system |
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| 20:24.53 | streuner | wine packages are usually ver buggy.... |
| 20:24.59 | streuner | s/ver/very/ |
| 20:25.05 | RAk | streuner: that's why I'm here ;) |
| 20:25.20 | niles | eeyore-: AMD athlon 2100 |
| 20:25.23 | tdn | chops, thanks. |
| 20:25.37 | streuner | RAk: well, they change pretty often... |
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| 20:25.45 | RAk | if somebody got printing working from wine, a dpkg -l could help me to see what's missing maybe |
| 20:25.55 | eeyore- | niles: thunderbird? i don't think so. XP? |
| 20:26.06 | niles | yes athlon xp |
| 20:26.16 | RAk | I enabled debug mode in cupsd config, still it's like it is not getting any command at all when I try to print from wine |
| 20:26.26 | eeyore- | niles: it's *probably* OK. i've had entire heatsink fall off athlon xp and it's fine (shuts down nicely) |
| 20:26.29 | streuner | CUPS logs are useless |
| 20:26.37 | eeyore- | niles: as long as the core didn't go up in smoke, you're fine :-) |
| 20:26.42 | niles | ok |
| 20:26.54 | niles | then i got ripped off on ebay |
| 20:26.55 | streuner | you don't get any further infos with those... |
| 20:27.03 | niles | im not getting any visual before the OS boots |
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| 20:27.12 | niles | usually you see the mother boards vendors name |
| 20:27.13 | niles | damn. |
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| 20:27.21 | streuner | RAk: did you check out winehq db? |
| 20:27.23 | eeyore- | (ps: entire heatsink fall off = msi motherboard, bad / broken heatsink clip. called them about a replacement and they didn't even blink twice about sending out replacements. they sent *two*, as a matter of fact. good or bad, you decide :-)))))) |
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| 20:27.50 | RAk | streuner: yes, I've been there, nothing listed which could be helpful |
| 20:27.57 | eeyore- | niles: why "ripped off"? |
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| 20:28.34 | streuner | RAk: well, check out another specific channel about wine then |
| 20:28.40 | eeyore- | niles: maybe mobo is set for wrong multiplier or some such, maybe wrong memory timings? figure out the clear-cmos jumpter, and short it ... leave it to drain (unplug power cord) and reboot |
| 20:29.16 | dkr | is there a way to put your root system on nested raid with etch install? or to use raid10? I tried just making the two raid1 arrays, but then when I choose partition/fs type in partman, it has removed raid from the list, so I can't use the two raid1s to make a raid0 |
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| 20:29.57 | Flimqy | dkr: what is nested RAID? |
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| 20:30.21 | RAk | streuner: yes, I'm there, but I still look for a dpkg -l from somebody who has wine print working |
| 20:30.25 | nvz | Flimqy: sounds to me like a redundant array of redundant arrays |
| 20:30.25 | Flimqy | dkr: You want RAID on top of RAID? That sounds like a really really bad idea |
| 20:30.26 | dkr | Flimqy: when you make a raid array out of other raid arrays, e.g. raid0+1 or raid1+0 |
| 20:30.28 | justin | dkr: you should definitely be able to just switch to the console and create it manually |
| 20:30.46 | justin | mdadm --create --whatever .... /dev/md/0 /dev/md/1 |
| 20:30.50 | Flimqy | dkr: What is the point? |
| 20:30.54 | RAk | well, cya people |
| 20:30.57 | justin | Flimqy: you've never heard of RAID10? |
| 20:32.19 | dkr | Flimqy: you should learn a little about the subject, this is well known |
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| 20:32.19 | lvalue | i have a system with a screwed up /etc/shadow and /etc/gshadow files, the root password seems to be in /etc/passwd, how can I get out of this situation ? |
| 20:32.20 | Flimqy | justin: I thought RAID1+0 was built into the driver on its own. |
| 20:32.20 | Flimqy | or is 1+0 different than 10? |
| 20:32.20 | eeyore- | justin: why not just use raid5? |
| 20:32.20 | lvalue | the shadow files are empty or filled up with nonsense |
| 20:32.20 | dkr | justin: i was worried about messing up whatever partman was diong though. think I should use expert mdoe in install and do all the partitioning myself? |
| 20:32.20 | Flimqy | eeyore-: that's kinda my thought. |
| 20:32.21 | h3sp4wn | lvalue: tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow passwd ? (and try to enable shadow passwords) |
| 20:32.21 | justin | eeyore-: raid10 is a lot faster than raid5? |
| 20:32.21 | Flimqy | RAID5 is probably faster than RAID10, and gives more storage capacity. |
| 20:32.21 | dkr | eeyore-: rad10 give much better write speed than raid5 |
| 20:32.30 | Flimqy | I would probably just put striped LVM on top of RAID1 |
| 20:32.34 | eeyore- | dkr: for not having to do xor, sure |
| 20:32.43 | dkr | I am actually using both. raid10 from 4 10GB partitions on my 4 disk, and raid 5 on 4 456Gb partitions |
| 20:32.47 | eeyore- | but, more efficient use of space |
| 20:32.53 | dkr | where the raid10 will be / and the raid5 /home |
| 20:33.30 | rahul | raid5 is more cpu-dependent |
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| 20:33.32 | rahul | unless you use IDE :) |
| 20:33.34 | eeyore- | nah, my / is pretty much throw-away ... |
| 20:34.20 | eeyore- | has anybody found any core2 motherboard that supports 8GB of memory? |
| 20:34.29 | eeyore- | (or more?) |
| 20:34.34 | justin | eeyore-: the ones apple uses? :) |
| 20:34.41 | eeyore- | justin: kick! |
| 20:34.47 | eeyore- | apple schmapple |
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| 20:35.48 | dkr | rahul: it's a new overclocked core 2 duo system, so I am not worried about the cpu overhead of software raid5 much. The AHCI with sata drives also give me Native Command Queeig, which i think will help performance |
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| 20:36.58 | eeyore- | justin: is the apple one a core2 duo or Xeon woodcrest? |
| 20:37.27 | nvz | eeyore-: apple shmapple! :P |
| 20:37.32 | eeyore- | nvz: i guess |
| 20:37.40 | nvz | heh |
| 20:38.04 | eeyore- | wonder what my budget is going to be :-) |
| 20:38.10 | abrotman | 12 |
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| 20:38.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: ha! |
| 20:38.23 | nvz | 139~ |
| 20:38.41 | jharrisonwk | snapple? |
| 20:38.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: we're thinking fifty cpu's or so |
| 20:38.44 | jharrisonwk | where? |
| 20:39.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: use 386 CPUs! |
| 20:39.09 | nvz | snapple elements are good |
| 20:39.15 | lvalue | h3sp4wn, i just tried it, no luck, gshadow is missing actually and shadow has some nonsense data in it, the root password is still in /etc/passwd |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | eeyore-: look at intel server boards |
| 20:39.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: you should have come :-p |
| 20:39.20 | rahul | 50-cpu? |
| 20:39.27 | rahul | uh, you don't want SMP for that. |
| 20:39.38 | eeyore- | rahul: no, fifty *boxes* or so |
| 20:39.42 | rahul | oh heh |
| 20:39.45 | jharrisonwk | yeah boxes |
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| 20:39.55 | rahul | eeyore-: we have dual opeterons at work |
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| 20:40.09 | rahul | model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 250 |
| 20:40.11 | eeyore- | probably not that many, in reality. we do have the space, but the power bill must suck |
| 20:40.15 | rahul | I think they're dell boxes or something |
| 20:40.25 | jharrisonwk | rahul: we have 16-way opterons here |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: come where ? |
| 20:40.31 | jharrisonwk | rahul: not dell though |
| 20:40.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: irvine |
| 20:40.37 | rahul | jharrisonwk: these are our desktops :) |
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| 20:40.44 | eeyore- | why are the dell blades so freaking expensive? |
| 20:40.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: i think david wants me dead :) |
| 20:40.50 | jharrisonwk | rahul: well you suck then |
| 20:40.51 | rahul | they can't afford to give all 200 developers 16-way opterons |
| 20:40.55 | rahul | heh |
| 20:41.07 | jharrisonwk | still if you need a kernel compiled in 42 seconds just let me know |
| 20:41.15 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:41.20 | rahul | haha |
| 20:41.25 | rahul | I let IT compile kernels :) |
| 20:41.33 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 20:41.38 | jharrisonwk | I am IT |
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| 20:41.47 | rahul | ok, then. hop to it! |
| 20:41.49 | mindframe | whats the easiest way to screenshot in x? |
| 20:41.52 | eeyore- | why oh why are we going with exceed ondemand? |
| 20:41.53 | jharrisonwk | I wish I had some guys to compile kernels for me |
| 20:42.00 | jharrisonwk | probably woudlnt do it right though |
| 20:42.01 | rahul | mindframe: import -window root blah blah |
| 20:42.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: and it's cold out there! |
| 20:42.12 | azeem | jharrisonwk: they're called "Debian kernel maintainers" :P |
| 20:42.12 | rahul | jharrisonwk: that's why they pay you the big bucks |
| 20:42.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: out where? |
| 20:42.17 | jharrisonwk | then I would have to mumble something about "if you want it done right you got to do it yourself" |
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| 20:42.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: irvine |
| 20:42.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: NC? it barely *barely* snowed and schools were closed? what the?!? |
| 20:42.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh |
| 20:42.42 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I have not used a debian kernel in years |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: noone can drive in snow in the south .. get used to it |
| 20:42.51 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I leave that to you |
| 20:42.52 | abrotman | eeyore-: wait until you get a freezing rain storm |
| 20:43.03 | Guerin | hurray for greylisting! |
| 20:43.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: jeez, i used to live in chicago and this was *nothing* ... barely a dusting on the road, and wowee!!! snow! my gosh! what's that white stuff! |
| 20:43.41 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: here in the south we dont need to know how to drive in the snow |
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| 20:43.51 | lvalue | h3sp4wn, found it.. shadowconfig :> |
| 20:43.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: i remember having to stand in front of a rav-4 (ok, so yeah, it's the rav-4's fault, suck it!) and shoveling snow while we were driving in blizzards :-) |
| 20:43.55 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: knowing how to drive in the sand is much more useful actually |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're not in the south |
| 20:44.07 | rahul | I know a guy who went to Austin to visit from NYC. there was a little sleet and everything was closed, so he drove back to his hotel |
| 20:44.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: hehe |
| 20:44.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im more south then the south |
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| 20:44.21 | eeyore- | jharrisonwk: (also knowing how to handle loss-of-traction in the sand is even better ;-) |
| 20:44.28 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: yeah |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're not in THE south |
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| 20:44.42 | vlt | enouf, liable: I'm back. I pasted /etc/fstab and /grub/menu.lst here: http://pastebin.ca/326060 |
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| 20:44.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im the next best thing |
| 20:44.47 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're not even in the states |
| 20:44.55 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: but im to the south though |
| 20:44.58 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :-P |
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| 20:45.09 | rahul | antactica is to the south |
| 20:45.16 | vlt | enouf: (I changed my nick because I was _a_way _f_rom _k_eyboard) |
| 20:45.18 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: that little pecker they call FL is pointing right at me |
| 20:45.19 | rahul | antarctica |
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| 20:45.26 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: lots of things are when you're at 43N |
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| 20:45.59 | blondie | vlt: so you changed it to something completely different? |
| 20:46.06 | jharrisonwk | the south is cool |
| 20:46.06 | eeyore- | jharrisonwk: i still have to find mud around here :-) |
| 20:46.17 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: where is here? |
| 20:46.19 | dionoea | hello. Looks like a apt-get dist-upgraded too fast on debian sid and now i have dependency problems on libsasl2 (postfix/mutt/mailx/... want an older version than what's available it seems). Is this a known problem ? |
| 20:46.37 | blondie | vlt: it's lucky most people don't change nick when they're away ;) |
| 20:46.45 | vlt | blondie: No, I changed it from "vlt" to "vlt|afk" 6 hours ago ... |
| 20:46.46 | jharrisonwk | dionoea: not known by me |
| 20:46.51 | petemc | dionoea: check the bts |
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| 20:46.55 | eeyore- | jharrisonwk: north carolina |
| 20:46.57 | blondie | vlt: and then from "christiane" to vlt... |
| 20:47.00 | jharrisonwk | dionoea: but you can always try to see if you have the older package and downgrade |
| 20:47.08 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: hey you are right over the border |
| 20:47.14 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: where in NC? |
| 20:47.17 | dionoea | i apt-get cleaned before :/ |
| 20:47.20 | vlt | blondie: Because I'm at home now, blondie ;-) |
| 20:47.23 | eeyore- | jharrisonwk: holly springs, yeah, just moved from california |
| 20:47.36 | blondie | vlt: so use the same irc session :P |
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| 20:47.59 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: I have family in ashville and also just over the boarder near bristol TN |
| 20:48.14 | jharrisonwk | eeyore-: I have spent much time in TN and NC as well |
| 20:48.14 | speedy | i'm running LVS+DR in debian kernel 2.6, and having the arp problem, how can i solve this problem? |
| 20:48.19 | vlt | blondie: How to do this? |
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| 20:48.40 | blondie | !irssi |
| 20:48.41 | jharrisonwk | speedy: LVS+DR load balancing? |
| 20:48.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 20:48.42 | blondie | !screen |
| 20:48.42 | dpkg | methinks screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
| 20:48.50 | blondie | by running irssi in screen :) |
| 20:48.51 | speedy | jharrisonwk yes |
| 20:49.02 | jharrisonwk | speedy: I have only ever worked with LVS+NAT |
| 20:49.10 | blondie | http://www.carina.org.uk/screenirssi.shtml |
| 20:49.13 | jharrisonwk | speedy: you might want to try asking in #linux-ha |
| 20:49.21 | jharrisonwk | speedy: although they may take a while to respond |
| 20:49.23 | WifiBrain | Hello |
| 20:49.29 | speedy | jharrisonwk with NAT you dont worry about ARP stuff |
| 20:49.33 | dkr | linux? Ha! |
| 20:49.38 | jharrisonwk | speedy: there is also documentation about the arp problem in LVS+DR |
| 20:49.39 | speedy | jharrisonwk thanks |
| 20:49.49 | vlt | blondie: Ok, but I started it in X, so the only way would be an x11vnc session ;-) ... |
| 20:49.51 | jharrisonwk | speedy: no with NAT you dont worry about arp stuff |
| 20:49.56 | dionoea | these are the apt errors i get: http://paste.videolan.org/1223 |
| 20:50.03 | dionoea | (couldn't find anything in bts) |
| 20:50.06 | jharrisonwk | speedy: and with LVS+TUN I dont think you worry about arp stuff either |
| 20:50.12 | vlt | blondie: But thank you, I'll try irssi next. |
| 20:50.19 | jharrisonwk | speedy: I might be wrong about that though |
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| 20:50.28 | speedy | jharrisonwk TUN has arp problem also |
| 20:50.32 | jharrisonwk | speedy: but I think the arp stuff is only with direct routing |
| 20:50.35 | jharrisonwk | speedy: ah ok |
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| 20:50.52 | jharrisonwk | speedy: so NAT doesnt have the arp problem then |
| 20:50.59 | jharrisonwk | speedy: but then you are limited to ~20 real servers |
| 20:51.24 | jharrisonwk | speedy: and the load balancer is the bottle neck because all traffic flows through it |
| 20:51.24 | speedy | jharrisonwk true, thats what i want to do it with DR |
| 20:51.39 | jharrisonwk | speedy: yeah with DR you can have hundreds of nodes and its much faster |
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| 20:51.54 | jharrisonwk | speedy: but I have never set up DR before so I dont have much experience with it |
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| 20:52.17 | jharrisonwk | speedy: if I could ever get my hands on enough equipment I would try it out but thats down the road a bit for me |
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| 20:52.51 | vlt | vlt|irssi: Welcome. |
| 20:53.24 | speedy | jharrisonwk it worked for few requests for me today, but again the real servers advertising them selfs and causing the conflict |
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| 20:54.12 | speedy | jharrisonwk i followed the documentation to set arp_announce and arp_ignore with sysctl but without any luck |
| 20:54.22 | dionoea | hum i don't get it ... dependencies seem ok on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/postfix but that doesn't work on my install (libsasl2-2 and postfix don't want to be installed at the same time ... i even added ftp.debian.org to my sources.list to be sure that i have the very latest packages) |
| 20:55.14 | smoked1 | Does anyone know what happened to: debian-unofficial.org? |
| 20:55.28 | smoked1 | I have them in by sources.list file but they seem to be gone. |
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| 20:56.02 | kingsley | Do USB devices rely on interrupts, and if so, how does one determine which interrupt a USB devices uses? |
| 20:56.13 | karsten | kingsley: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 20:56.20 | dionoea | hum ... i have postfix 2.3.4-3 here. What mirrors should i use to be sure that i get 2.3.6-1 ? |
| 20:56.43 | karsten | kingsley: In my case I've got a bunch of uhci stuff associated with IRQ11. |
| 20:56.55 | kingsley | karsten: Thank you. |
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| 20:57.47 | karsten | kingsley: Column 2 == # of interrupts received. |
| 20:58.18 | jharrisonwk | speedy: the #linux-ha guys may be of assistance |
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| 20:59.36 | chops | dionoea: Perhaps one half of a mutual dependency has made it into unstable, and not the other half. That happens sometimes. |
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| 21:00.12 | chops | dionoea: The scripts ensure that that won't happen for testing, but for unstable the bets are off. You can try installing one or the other (of libsasl2-2 and postfix) from testing instead. |
| 21:00.41 | speedy | jharrisonwk alright |
| 21:00.42 | dionoea | chops: looks like the newer half is listed on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/postfix but i can't get it on any mirror |
| 21:00.45 | Dr_zwaffelen | what's to command to see how much RAM my videocard has? |
| 21:00.46 | dionoea | i meant "the missing half" |
| 21:00.49 | Dr_zwaffelen | the command* |
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| 21:01.13 | valdyn | Dr_zwaffelen: there's no such command |
| 21:01.16 | dionoea | (the missing half being postfix 2.3.6-1) |
| 21:01.29 | dionoea | or maybe there's a third half :) |
| 21:01.29 | chops | dionoea: You'll have to wait, then -- until it goes into the archive, installing an older version of libsasl2-2 is your only option |
| 21:01.38 | chops | dionoea: There often is :-) |
| 21:02.01 | chops | Add testing to sources.list, sudo apt-get install postfix/testing, remove testing from sources.list. See how that treats you. |
| 21:02.07 | dionoea | any idea how long it'll take before it makes it into the archive ? (i can afford to wait 1 or 2 days) |
| 21:02.24 | valdyn | dionoea: testing? sid ? |
| 21:02.27 | dionoea | sid |
| 21:02.33 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 21:02.33 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:02.36 | dionoea | thanks |
| 21:02.37 | chops | dionoea: No telling. 1 or 2 days, probably. |
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| 21:02.50 | dionoea | ok, i'll wait then :) thanks for the help |
| 21:03.08 | TurkishKiss | speakkkk with mee? |
| 21:03.33 | geemark | I have a kernel options that I need to set, but is not present in "make menuconfig" - is this due to dependencies? how do I resolve it? I'm positive it's the right kernel version! |
| 21:03.47 | Dr_zwaffelen | valdyn: then what's the command to see what kind of card i have? |
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| 21:04.25 | valdyn | Dr_zwaffelen: update-pciids && lspci does it if you're lucky |
| 21:04.35 | PingFloyd | geemark: it might be it requires enabling some other setting to show up |
| 21:04.58 | PingFloyd | someo of the settings are like that |
| 21:05.03 | geemark | PingFloyd, how do I find out which? |
| 21:05.13 | valdyn | geemark: which setting? |
| 21:05.18 | kingsley | Is it possible to more evenly spread interrupt usage across IRQ numbers? |
| 21:05.44 | geemark | CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | kingsley: what's the point? |
| 21:05.56 | PingFloyd | kingsley: shouldn't need to if you're all PCI hardware |
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| 21:05.59 | geemark | valdyn, CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X |
| 21:06.04 | valdyn | kingsley: your computer's bios if this is due to evil bios settings |
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| 21:06.07 | minerale | I'm currently using sarge, I need to install a package: c3270 , that package requires newer versions of: libc6 libncurses5 libssl0.9.8 -- would it be harmful if I install backported versions of those packages? (in all honesty I I don't think it needs them but not sure how to overwrite the requirements) |
| 21:06.40 | lilferry | minerale: probably not. |
| 21:06.46 | kingsley | valdyn: Thanks for asking. The point is avoiding system crashes and improving response time for devices sharing IRQ 11. |
| 21:06.47 | valdyn | geemark: in which kernel? |
| 21:06.56 | valdyn | kingsley: not going to help that.. |
| 21:06.59 | chops | minerale: It would certainly be inadvisable -- if you need a stable machine, don't install a backported libc6/libncurses/etc. If you don't need a stable machine, upgrade to testing. |
| 21:07.00 | geemark | valdyn, 2.6.19.2 |
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| 21:07.27 | minerale | chops, I need c3270 on a stable machine |
| 21:07.27 | chops | minerale: Have you tried the simple sarge backport (apt-get source, dpkg-buildpackage)? |
| 21:07.34 | kingsley | valdyn: Can you elaborate on how you know spreading interrupt across IRQ numbers wouldn't help? |
| 21:07.45 | PingFloyd | kingsley: that's really only an issue with ISA devices |
| 21:08.03 | minerale | chops, yeah, I have a couple backports installed |
| 21:08.08 | kingsley | PingFloyd: Why? |
| 21:08.18 | valdyn | kingsley: request gets sent, right devices answers, no matter if irqs are shared or not |
| 21:08.24 | PingFloyd | kingsley: how it's designed |
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| 21:08.40 | chops | minerale: No, I mean, have you tried recompiling etch's c3270 on a sarge machine to see how it works for you? |
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| 21:09.21 | kingsley | valdyn: Is that how PCI interrupts work? |
| 21:09.31 | valdyn | kingsley: yes |
| 21:10.02 | ezguy | hi, anyone knows if the ati rage xl card (xserver) will support the 1920x1200 wide res setting? |
| 21:10.05 | kingsley | valdyn & PingFloyd: Thanks. |
| 21:10.16 | PingFloyd | kingsley: no problem. |
| 21:10.20 | valdyn | kingsley: interrupt sharing probably can be problematic if ( like one some thinkpads ) only 1 irq is made available for pci, but that is probably not the case on your system |
| 21:10.33 | PingFloyd | kingsley: if you're having stability problems, check into your ram and PSU |
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| 21:11.06 | PingFloyd | kingsley: majority of the time, instability is cause by one of those 2 |
| 21:11.11 | valdyn | kingsley: one of your devices could be buggy too, probably the only solution would be to put it into a different pci slot |
| 21:11.31 | kingsley | PingFloyd: What is "PSU"? |
| 21:11.35 | valdyn | kingsley: seen issues like that, but there's no software solution for that, except switching slots.. |
| 21:11.41 | PingFloyd | kingsley: power supply unit |
| 21:11.56 | valdyn | geemark: what kind of device is it? |
| 21:12.21 | PingFloyd | yeah, that's another thing, sometimes cards are quirky about which slot, like valdyn mentioned |
| 21:12.26 | minerale | what does it mean when apt-get tells me: Package c3270 is not available, but is referred to by another package. (with backports intalled and the package listed as a backport) |
| 21:12.31 | geemark | valdyn, an analog tv-capture card |
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| 21:13.47 | kingsley | valdyn & PingFloyd: The box crashed once soon after connecting what I assume is a ground wire between a USB port and a USB connector on the motherboard. The crash may just be a coincidence, but I expect time will tell. |
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| 21:13.48 | Flimqy | mindframe: try apt-get -t sarge-backports install c3270 |
| 21:14.00 | chops | minerale: Means you didn't include a line for c3270 in sources.list, or forgot to apt-get update after you added it |
| 21:14.24 | chops | minerale: You might want to try opening the line from sources.list in a web browser and making sure that everything is as it should be |
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| 21:14.48 | valdyn | geemark: Depends on: VIDEO_DEV && VIDEO_CX88 |
| 21:15.07 | myren_ | how can i send commands to my monitor. there's a standard protocol for it, like DCC or something |
| 21:15.13 | valdyn | geemark: which is, i guess " <M> Conexant 2388x (bt878 successor) support " |
| 21:15.22 | vlt | Hello. I moved a Debian Sarge installation to another disk. The old one booted from /dev/hda1 -> /boot/ with grub. I created the new disk with /dev/hda1 containing the former /boot (which I already told grub) and an md device /dev/md1 on /dev/hda2 containig an lvm vg and several volumes. I told grub to append the new root "/dev/mapper/vg_test-lvol0" to the kernel. Now grub starts, finds menu.lst in /grub and boots kernel |
| 21:15.22 | vlt | /vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-k7. Then I get a warning "dev/console not found" and kernel panic. I think I have to change a few more things like initrd.img, device.map ... Can anyone help? |
| 21:15.24 | minerale | chops: oh I see, it's just that the backports repository does not have the c3270 package |
| 21:15.39 | chops | !tell minerale about simple sid backport |
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| 21:16.28 | valdyn | geemark: that thing really is an mpeg encoder on a cx88 card or somesuch |
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| 21:16.44 | vlt | The new fstab and menu.lst: http://pastebin.ca/326060 |
| 21:16.53 | hardcoffee | !xawtv |
| 21:16.53 | dpkg | [xawtv] used to watch tv in X. You need bttv or video4linux. or at http://www.in-berlin.de/User/kraxel/xawtv.html, or xawtv sucks and you should use tvtime |
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| 21:17.32 | geemark | valdyn, yeah, i told you a half truth - it is required for another driver ;) |
| 21:17.51 | geemark | valdyn, however, i solved it - some other weird setting was hiding the one i needed, thanks |
| 21:17.55 | justin | heh, I wrote that factoid :) |
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| 21:19.00 | valdyn | vlt: your initrd isnt found |
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| 21:19.35 | chops | vlt: Welcome to initrd hell. Boot from a boot CD (like a sarge rescue disk), chroot to the sarge installation, install the _exact_ kernel that booted from the install CD. |
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| 21:19.58 | chops | vlt: If you build an initrd while running a kernel that's substantially different from the kernel you're building an initrd for, it Just Won't Work (TM). |
| 21:20.02 | valdyn | vlt: your initrd needs to be on a device that grub can find, /dev/md0 isnt it, idont know where you have it.. |
| 21:20.21 | Piet | would someone know how to hot swap a sata device on etch? |
| 21:20.21 | Karamon | Hello, apache2-common has no installation candidate (even after running update etc.) is there a way I can force apt to install something even if it has unmet dependencies? |
| 21:20.27 | Piet | 2.6.17 |
| 21:20.44 | chops | valdyn: If initrd wasn't being found, he'd get a warning about initrd not found, not the /dev/console thing... no? |
| 21:21.11 | justin | /dev/console not found usually means you gave it the wrong partition for root=, doesn't it? |
| 21:21.15 | valdyn | chops: probably, but i was about to get to that |
| 21:21.16 | minerale | chops: E: Build-Depends dependency for c3270 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 21:21.29 | chops | minerale: :-( |
| 21:21.40 | valdyn | chops: once your initrd is found it still doesn't contain the software needed to get your / on /dev/md0 running |
| 21:21.47 | minerale | chops: it comes back to: libc6 libncurses5 libssl0.9.8 |
| 21:22.01 | rahul | minerale: use the aptitude gui |
| 21:22.04 | valdyn | vlt: once your initrd is found it still doesn't contain the software needed to get your / on /dev/md0 running |
| 21:22.05 | h3sp4wn | minerale: get the debhelper from backports.org |
| 21:22.08 | rahul | minerale: you can browse the deps |
| 21:22.13 | chops | minerale: You can install a more recent version of debhelper out of backports, and then try again... that'll be better for your system than upgrading libc6 certainly. |
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| 21:22.18 | rahul | oy. backports. |
| 21:22.23 | chops | minerale: ... but you're setting yourself upon a difficult path. :-( |
| 21:22.37 | chops | minerale: Or rather, I'm setting you on a difficult path. |
| 21:22.45 | rahul | oy, and it's a build-dep |
| 21:22.52 | vlt | valdyn: My initrd is in / on /dev/hda1 where grub boots. But I think I have to add md and lvm support there. How to do this? |
| 21:22.56 | chops | minerale: There's not guaranteed to be an easy path to make a backport, unfortunately. |
| 21:23.04 | MatBoy | will xfce 4.4 be in the new testing ? |
| 21:23.22 | hardcoffee | someone is good with device problems ??? i want to see tv on my debian i have try xawtv and tvtime but the twice program still not found /dev/video0 so i can t see tv ... hlpppp =) |
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| 21:23.41 | justin | hardcoffee: load the bttv module? |
| 21:23.48 | hardcoffee | lsmod ? |
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| 21:24.03 | chops | vlt: I think that if you let mkinitrd run from _exactly_ the same kernel that is going to be booting, then you'll have smooth sailing regardless. If you want to reconfigure it by hand, you can muck in /etc/mkinitrd. |
| 21:24.04 | Karamon | I have tried --ignore-missing but it still exits with failure of unmet dependencies |
| 21:24.19 | chops | vlt: Are you getting a warning about your initrd not being found? |
| 21:24.26 | chops | ("warning", heh) |
| 21:24.30 | hardcoffee | bttv 203892 1 bt878 this line is in lsmod |
| 21:24.48 | justin | hardcoffee: what is the error you are getting? |
| 21:25.23 | hardcoffee | no video input ( no /dev/video0 |
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| 21:25.44 | justin | hardcoffee: do you have /dev/video/0 or something else? |
| 21:25.56 | hardcoffee | but on lsmod i can see a ligne = videodev |
| 21:26.01 | hardcoffee | ye |
| 21:26.04 | cyberdo | hardcoffee: "dmesg | grep video" --- does it say anything useful? |
| 21:26.11 | justin | just not /dev/video0 ? |
| 21:26.23 | cyberdo | or "dmesg | grep btt" |
| 21:26.26 | hardcoffee | nothing i have try it already with howto |
| 21:26.33 | valdyn | vlt: looks like you need complete md and lvm support in that initrd. ugly |
| 21:26.48 | hardcoffee | phoenix:/dev/.static/dev# dmesg | grep bttv |
| 21:26.48 | hardcoffee | bttv: driver version 0.9.16 loaded |
| 21:26.48 | hardcoffee | bttv: using 8 buffers with 2080k (520 pages) each for capture |
| 21:26.57 | justin | hardcoffee: ah, you are using udev |
| 21:27.10 | justin | hardcoffee: does it work if you tell tvtime to use /dev/video/0 ? |
| 21:27.13 | hardcoffee | should i go get hal ?? |
| 21:27.17 | minerale | chops: what the... I installed the updated debhelper, but now I'm getting: E: Build-Depends dependency for c3270 cannot be satisfied because the package xbitmaps cannot be found -- and ugh, this is a curses based program |
| 21:27.49 | chops | minerale: backports are hard :-(. I am sorry. |
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| 21:28.33 | minerale | chops: thanks |
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| 21:29.01 | PingFloyd | sometimes it seems to take some manual intervention to get the dependencie set up right with backports |
| 21:29.04 | garotosopa | I've just upgraded kde from 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 and there's no more "panels" in KControl. what could have happened? (debian etch) |
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| 21:31.28 | RespectTheRules | Hello.. do you know a tutorial about the bootsplash installation & configuration on Debian system ? |
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| 21:31.52 | pisti | evening |
| 21:32.21 | RespectTheRules | pisti, Good evening |
| 21:33.42 | vlt | chops: The last lines before the kernel panic: http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7017/bildschirmphoto71rl.png |
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| 21:35.23 | Karamon | How can I make apt not care about unmet dependencies? |
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| 21:35.54 | chops | vlt: Yeah, that looks like your initrd is set up incorrectly (i.e. without lvm/md support, like valdyn said). You'll either need to rebuild it while you've already booted into the kernel you want to run (e.g. from a rescue disk), or manually force it to include the appropriate modules via /etc/mkinitrd reconfiguration. |
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| 21:37.35 | chops | vlt: I highly recommend installing while the exact kernel you're installing is running; that's the only approach I've used in the past (and it's worked for me for booting off both software and hardware RAID arrays, though I've never tried LVM). |
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| 21:38.45 | linux3 | hey everyone. i got a little fun thing for you to help me with. can anyone think of a synonym of full screen (thats not maximized)? |
| 21:38.50 | Roey | hey all |
| 21:38.55 | Roey | abrotman: what does this mean: |
| 21:38.57 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.59 | abrotman | HI |
| 21:39.02 | Roey | HII!!! |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | tex is messed |
| 21:39.14 | Roey | right |
| 21:39.25 | Roey | I checked out b.d.o but didn't find anything apt |
| 21:39.29 | Roey | (no pun intended) |
| 21:39.41 | eldowan | does NFS support changing of file permissions over the network share? |
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| 21:40.26 | rahul | eldowan: yes |
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| 21:40.56 | RespectTheRules | Do you know a good tutorail about the Bootsplash installation? |
| 21:41.00 | eldowan | rahul: much appreciated. |
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| 21:44.08 | vlt | chops: Contents of /etc/mkinitrd: http://pastebin.ca/326119 and http://pastebin.ca/326121. The real server is still running. I could change its initrd, but would rather test it on the new disk before making any changes to the current system. Can I change initrd from a Knoppix boot disc (or must it be a debian install/rescue)? |
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| 21:45.30 | chops | vlt: You can change the initrd from any boot disc, but initrd construction is sensitive to the kernel that's booted at the time you're building the initrd. It's silly that that's true, but there you are. |
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| 21:46.14 | chops | vlt: You might also look into other boot-disc generators than mkinitrd; I've heard good things about yaird, for example. |
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| 21:46.20 | chops | s/boot-disc/initrd/ |
| 21:46.51 | chops | vlt: This stuff gives me the willies. That's why I generally just install whatever kernel comes on my install boot disc. |
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| 21:47.57 | lkajdf | how can i autostart programs with x and fluxbox as window manager? tried to make a file called startup in .fluxbox directory |
| 21:48.13 | justin | lkajdf: ~/.xsession |
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| 21:49.28 | lkajdf | should that file be existing already? |
| 21:49.36 | justin | no |
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| 21:50.08 | lkajdf | put just the prog name or exec prog? |
| 21:50.59 | lkajdf | justin? |
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| 21:51.08 | chops | lkajdf: Just the prog name |
| 21:51.19 | justin | prog&prog&prog& exec fluxbox |
| 21:51.32 | justin | newlines added wherever applicabile |
| 21:52.14 | lkajdf | but isnt fluxbox automatically executed someplace else, cause i dont have to start it manually |
| 21:52.30 | vlt | chops: Mmh, I could create a new (virtual) disk without the md and lvm devices, copy the current system, boot it (2.6.8-3-k7) and then alter initrd. Would that be a solution? |
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| 21:52.38 | vlt | chops: What happens on the new system when next kernel security fix is done? Will it replace my initrd? |
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| 21:52.53 | chops | vlt: Hm, that solution might work |
| 21:53.14 | valdyn | lkajdf: the default xsession will execute its default OR run .xsession if that exists |
| 21:53.15 | garotosopa | when I do apt-get install kcontrol it says it's going to remove xserver-common... is it right?! |
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| 21:54.28 | RespectTheRules | Garo_, try to use aptitude |
| 21:54.34 | chops | vlt: It will replace your initrd, but that shouldn't be a problem unless you've done something really nutty. mkinitrd will run okay if the booted kernel is a pre-security update kernel, and it's making an initrd from a post-security update kernel. The kernels will be similar enough that mkinitrd won't make any mistakes (same module-dependency structure, etc.). |
| 21:54.49 | chops | s/from a post-security update kernel/for a post-security update kernel/ |
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| 21:54.56 | RespectTheRules | garotosopa, Use aptitude |
| 21:54.57 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 21:55.56 | chops | vlt: Generally once you've got an initrd on your new system (/ new LVM configuration / new major kernel number), your new initrds will start working. It's bootstrapping the chicken-and-egg problem of making the first working initrd that's unbelievably more painful than it should be. |
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| 21:57.23 | chops | vlt: Actually, the amount of trouble I've had with initrds through the years sort of suggests that I've been doing something wrong, so maybe you shouldn't be listening to me :-). I just don't know any good way of dealing with them when you make major changes to your boot-time environment. |
| 21:57.32 | ruben_ | Hi, it is not possible to put a rule with a name instead of ip like -s foo.com using iptables? |
| 21:58.09 | blondie | ruben_: it is possible. |
| 21:58.35 | ruben_ | how? |
| 21:58.37 | blondie | ruben_: but it's unwise to use hostnames that need resolving by DNS |
| 21:58.40 | dendrite | ruben_: Bad idea, since a name may resolve to different things with different tries... |
| 21:58.41 | blondie | ruben_: just type it. |
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| 21:58.52 | ruben_ | does not work, I have a syntax error |
| 21:58.54 | ruben_ | iptables v1.2.11: host/network `ireth.no-ip.org' not found |
| 21:59.00 | dendrite | ruben_: And even if it doesn't, it adds a point of failure. |
| 21:59.04 | ruben_ | I have a dinamic dns |
| 21:59.21 | justin | ruben_: it also doesn't work if the firewall can't currently resolve the name when it is trying to add the rule |
| 21:59.26 | blondie | that doesn't look like a syntax error |
| 21:59.39 | ruben_ | $fw -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s ireth.no-ip.org -d 65.111.164.248 --dport 10022 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 21:59.44 | ruben_ | $fw = iptables |
| 21:59.49 | chops | ruben_: Does 'ping' suffer from the same "syntax error"? :-) |
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| 22:00.11 | dendrite | ruben_: You can just bind that to the interface, instead of the IP. |
| 22:00.14 | lkajdf | /disconnect no reason |
| 22:00.19 | lkajdf | lol |
| 22:00.23 | lkajdf | /disconnect |
| 22:00.29 | blondie | what? |
| 22:00.36 | ruben_ | dendrite: how? :=) |
| 22:00.43 | justin | lkajdf: try /server help |
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| 22:00.49 | dendrite | ruben_: -i <name_of_interface> |
| 22:00.54 | Flimqy | Has anyone here configured casper for a custom boot media? I'm hoping to find a "supported" way to not modify the inittab, and other system files on boot... Is there any configuration option for stuff like this, or do I just get to UTSL? |
| 22:00.55 | lkajdf | /server help |
| 22:01.00 | lkajdf | wtf |
| 22:01.03 | vlt | chops: Ok, I'll try to clone the current system and maybe then I need some help soon building the md and lvm capable initrd ... |
| 22:01.03 | blondie | dendrite: I don't see how that will help him |
| 22:01.18 | ruben_ | dendrite: yes, but the problem is why iptables does not understand a dns name :( |
| 22:01.21 | dendrite | blondie: He won't have to follow his changing IP address. |
| 22:01.30 | chops | lkajdf: If you used mIRC, you'd be home by now :-) |
| 22:01.32 | ruben_ | if I put the ip works, but if it is a name ... |
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| 22:01.47 | blondie | dendrite: presumably that's a different box to the one running iptables ojn |
| 22:01.49 | blondie | -j |
| 22:01.50 | lkajdf | chops: lol you're right |
| 22:02.13 | tonyb2006 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:02.16 | tonyb2006 | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
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| 22:02.17 | blondie | ruben_: you might have to allow a whole subnet/ISP's range of IPs |
| 22:02.18 | tonyb2006 | huh? |
| 22:02.19 | garotosopa | RespectTheRules, I'll satisfy aptitude dependencies now but I'm quite sure it'll break things hehehe |
| 22:02.21 | dendrite | blondie: OK... |
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| 22:04.02 | lkajdf | well |
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| 22:06.28 | DerJamster | !apt cow |
| 22:06.58 | tonyb2006 | can someone help me |
| 22:06.59 | tonyb2006 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:07.12 | hardlined | su |
| 22:07.16 | tonyb2006 | as root |
| 22:07.47 | pipeline | tonyb2006: Some other apt program is running. |
| 22:07.52 | DerJamster | hmmh.. |
| 22:07.54 | DerJamster | !info cow |
| 22:07.56 | tonyb2006 | pipeline: not that i can see |
| 22:08.14 | pipeline | tonyb2006: look more carefully. If you're positive, rm the lock file and try again. |
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| 22:08.20 | pipeline | tonyb2006: Actually, just reboot, THEN remove the lock. |
| 22:08.21 | DerJamster | !apt moo |
| 22:08.27 | DerJamster | !dpkg moo |
| 22:08.31 | DerJamster | can't find it anymore. meh. |
| 22:08.34 | blondie | reboot? eww |
| 22:08.34 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.34 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.35 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.35 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.35 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.40 | blondie | haha |
| 22:08.41 | dkr | pipeline: reboot!? that's microsoft thinking, :) |
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| 22:08.48 | alt_f4 | anyone here use proftpd? |
| 22:08.51 | tonyb2006 | rebooting is for installing hardware! |
| 22:08.52 | wes | rebot |
| 22:08.55 | wes | reboot |
| 22:08.59 | DerJamster | tonyb2006: and kernels ;) |
| 22:09.01 | alt_f4 | lol |
| 22:09.05 | pipeline | tonyb2006: Yes, but you lack sufficient skills to determine what to kill. Rebooting will kill everything. |
| 22:09.12 | tonyb2006 | pipeline: lsof found nothing |
| 22:09.20 | tonyb2006 | dont insult me |
| 22:09.27 | tonyb2006 | oh wait |
| 22:09.29 | tonyb2006 | it is in lsof |
| 22:09.30 | alt_f4 | killall everything! |
| 22:09.32 | alt_f4 | rofl |
| 22:09.34 | tonyb2006 | apt-get 3240 root 4uW REG 3,1 0 1314282 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 22:09.40 | dkr | eyegrep-- |
| 22:09.50 | alt_f4 | anyone here use teh proftpd? |
| 22:10.02 | lkajdf | . /quit worked :) |
| 22:10.02 | alt_f4 | ow |
| 22:10.03 | lkajdf | what's that program called that goes through every package on your system and asks if you wanna delete it? |
| 22:10.06 | dkr | alt_f4: that's not a sueful question. ask your real question |
| 22:10.08 | dkr | useful |
| 22:10.15 | pipeline | lkajdf: deborphan is a package that contains several such programs. |
| 22:10.25 | pipeline | lkajdf: dpkg -L deborphan | grep bin |
| 22:10.28 | dkr | rm -i `dpkg -l` |
| 22:11.03 | lkajdf | pipeline: that's it thx |
| 22:11.07 | dkr | (ignore me, btw. suffering from sleep deprivation or seomthing and thoguht that was funny) |
| 22:11.38 | sitexec | heres my question, whenever i compile a package, i get unable to init frontend KDE because i had a 2.4 kernel so qt didnt install right or somesuch, i updated kernel, how can i fix previous errors? |
| 22:11.48 | alt_f4 | I have a problem with proftd. it works fine except I can't connect an ftp client in passive mode, only active. I have proftpd.conf set to use 30000 to 30050 ports and forwarded the port on my router, yet it still refuses me |
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| 22:14.07 | alt_f4 | anyone? |
| 22:14.20 | DerJamster | iptables? |
| 22:14.58 | alt_f4 | forwarded 30000 to 30002 and tried that |
| 22:15.07 | alt_f4 | nada |
| 22:15.13 | alt_f4 | (iptables) |
| 22:15.39 | lkajdf | what mirror do i get etch kernel headers from? |
| 22:15.50 | lkajdf | tried ftp.debian.org/etch main |
| 22:15.55 | lkajdf | doesnt work |
| 22:16.33 | DerJamster | try ftp.countrycode.debian.org |
| 22:16.44 | DerJamster | as in, ftp.de.debian.org, or us, or whatever. |
| 22:16.52 | lkajdf | did that already |
| 22:16.57 | lkajdf | doesnt work |
| 22:16.58 | sorl_ | how do i count hops to a domain? |
| 22:17.06 | chops | sorl_: traceroute |
| 22:17.13 | DerJamster | Well, PEBKAC. You get the kernel headers via apt, the normal way. |
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| 22:17.49 | DerJamster | lkajdf: what exactly are you typing in apt? |
| 22:17.53 | sorl_ | chops, it fails for some reason, but i can ping... |
| 22:18.04 | sorl_ | chops, any other way? |
| 22:18.22 | chops | sorl_: sudo traceroute -I |
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| 22:18.53 | chops | sorl_: That uses ICMP ECHO packets like ping, instead of UDP packets (the default) |
| 22:19.37 | alt_f4 | The server could not be turned off. |
| 22:19.37 | alt_f4 | Do you have another server running on this port ? |
| 22:19.37 | alt_f4 | This could be a server running from inetd/xinetd. |
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| 22:19.40 | teledyn | what should CONCURRENCY_LEVEL be set to for a dual CPU system? |
| 22:19.40 | alt_f4 | :( |
| 22:19.46 | sorl_ | chops, cool thanks |
| 22:19.52 | chops | sorl_: np |
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| 22:20.13 | lkajdf | DerJamster I'm trying apt-get install madwifi-tools, stops on error kernel-headers |
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| 22:23.40 | lkajdf | what can i do? |
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| 22:24.23 | illusion | where is the final etch peole , |
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| 22:24.58 | azeem | illusion: it's not yet released |
| 22:25.15 | DerJamster | Well, etch is released, it's just not stable yet ;P |
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| 22:25.24 | DerJamster | </nitpick> |
| 22:25.25 | azeem | no, it's not released |
| 22:25.44 | DerJamster | Sure it is. I can get it, after all. ;P |
| 22:25.48 | Karamon | Is there a way that I can fool apt into believing that apache2-common is present? |
| 22:25.58 | DerJamster | Karamon: yep. install the package 'equivs' |
| 22:26.04 | DerJamster | You can use it to create dummy packages. |
| 22:26.17 | Karamon | Cool |
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| 22:26.26 | DerJamster | so, you could have a dummy package that 'installs' apache2-common. |
| 22:26.40 | lkajdf | how do i set my clock to use the hardware clock? |
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| 22:27.57 | streuner | you shouldn't |
| 22:28.02 | creichen | Hmm. Does anyone here happen to know which package the adobe-helvetica fonts are contained in? |
| 22:28.03 | streuner | just use ntpdate |
| 22:28.06 | streuner | !ntpdate |
| 22:28.07 | dpkg | it has been said that ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 22:28.24 | beardy | !set the time |
| 22:28.25 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch) to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:28.41 | streuner | lkajdf: that's update your hardware clock and have always the 'right' time ;-) |
| 22:29.33 | lkajdf | streuner: and what's set linux clock to bios clock? |
| 22:29.54 | streuner | man hwclock ;-) |
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| 22:30.54 | eldowan | I'm trying to find something to log the distribution of traffic in my network (local<->remote hosts). ntop looks to be a dandy utility, but it seems that since my firewall uses snat and acts as a router, ntop stops logging the connections at the external interface. is there a program, utility, or such that will support end to end logging? i.e. user1 -> google.com instead of externalIP -> googl.com |
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| 22:35.40 | olskolirc | ? |
| 22:35.48 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 22:36.32 | kyevan | Hello, I'm running Sid, and was wondering if anyone knows if I can completely reset USB, and if so, how? |
| 22:36.34 | strubi | i've installe egroupware ondebian, unfortunately any time i want to access to the webpages it creates for setup i get a blank page. where could it be caused from. the pages lay on the place they need to be and apache does not give any errors |
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| 22:37.06 | pipeline | kyevan: I don't think so. Pretty sure you'll have to reboot to really kick a malfunctioning host into working. |
| 22:37.21 | rsk | kyevan: rmmod usbhib && modprobe usbhid |
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| 22:37.26 | joaop | im trying to install mysql-server-5, but have some error in post-installation script, trying to install mysql-server-4.1 the mysql-server-5 comes like a dependency, what can i do ? |
| 22:37.32 | mo1991 | anyone know why the menu's for crossove office 5 do not work in etch? work fine in sarge - second etch install they don't work in - show up in alacarte but are not actually in the toolbar |
| 22:38.08 | kyevan | rsk: Oh, that might work. |
| 22:38.09 | Karamon | Could someone take a look at this and tell me what I need to edit to make equivs-build to work: http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=5335 |
| 22:38.20 | pipeline | joaop: If the post-inst script fails, the package remains installed but not configured. dpkg then tries to configure it the next time you install something. |
| 22:38.30 | pipeline | joaop: So, uh, remove/purge mysql-server-5 |
| 22:39.15 | kyevan | rsk: Hmm, it looks like I don't have a usbhid module? |
| 22:39.30 | rsk | bad luck |
| 22:39.34 | rsk | i have one in debian sid |
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| 22:39.42 | joaop | pipeline, i done --purge mysql* , and haven't no one mysql file in the system, then i try to install mysql-server again and the same error |
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| 22:40.14 | pipeline | joaop: Your shell is expanding * wrong. Purge mysql-\* instead. |
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| 22:41.10 | joaop | pipeline, samething.. |
| 22:41.13 | jgw2001 | hello, I was think of starting a debain related project |
| 22:41.27 | pipeline | joaop: mysql-server-5 is not a dependency of 4.1. |
| 22:41.28 | azeem | jgw2001: it's debian, btw |
| 22:41.45 | pipeline | joaop: So if it's repeatedly trying to configure -5, you've not purged it correctly. |
| 22:41.55 | jgw2001 | sorry |
| 22:42.18 | pipeline | rsk: Use modprobe -r, not rmmod. |
| 22:42.27 | k-man__ | what was on the debian-unofficial repository? and what happened to it? |
| 22:42.41 | streuner | k-man__: heh? |
| 22:42.50 | pipeline | kyevan: usbhid is the driver for USB mice and keyboards. It's not going to make the USB controller do anything interesting :P |
| 22:42.56 | streuner | how should we know about unofficial mirrors? |
| 22:43.02 | k-man__ | i have found a reference to this site... http://www.debian-unofficial.org/ but its not working any more |
| 22:43.09 | k-man__ | i just wondered what might have been there? |
| 22:43.12 | streuner | well... |
| 22:43.18 | k-man__ | http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/03/27/unofficial-debian-reposotories-overview/ |
| 22:43.21 | azeem | k-man__: all kind of illegal (to some) stuff |
| 22:43.27 | k-man__ | oh |
| 22:43.31 | jgw2001 | Is there currently any project on the go to develop a range of system tools for debian as yast is for the dreaded SuSE |
| 22:43.31 | k-man__ | illegal? |
| 22:43.35 | azeem | k-man__: in general, stick to official Debian sources |
| 22:43.39 | kyevan | pipeline: Ooh. Yeh, I need to make it poke the controller into starting up, I think >_< |
| 22:43.51 | k-man__ | ok |
| 22:43.52 | k-man__ | thanks |
| 22:43.53 | azeem | jgw2001: some people tried to port Yast |
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| 22:44.20 | pipeline | kyevan: If it doesn't work, try rebooting. It's really your only recourse. Unless it's PCMCIA, in which case you can turn off the power and turn it back on. |
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| 22:44.37 | jgw2001 | Yast is just bloatware to the very extreme, I was think of start a project from scratch |
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| 22:44.52 | panthera | k-man__: don't worry, it's just temporary failure |
| 22:44.56 | panthera | k-man__: will be fixed soon. |
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| 22:45.05 | k-man__ | panthera, oh.. ok, thanks |
| 22:45.25 | kyevan | The other anoying part is that it went insane when some hardware got pulled... that's not supposed to make USB die... |
| 22:45.39 | napoleao | hi, sorry if it is a dumb question, been searching in google but no luck, what does it mean the PPC ? |
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| 22:45.54 | napoleao | the ppc version of debian or other distro |
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| 22:46.05 | rsk | napoleao: power point pc |
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| 22:46.11 | rsk | power pc |
| 22:46.32 | napoleao | I see, thanks |
| 22:46.36 | pipeline | jgw2001: yast is free. Go download it :P |
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| 22:47.03 | rsk | napoleao: just like x86 or amd64 |
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| 22:48.29 | mystic_touch | lol i bealiver i'm taking more time to install this then what use i will make whith this lol |
| 22:48.47 | mystic_touch | really bored this instalations lol |
| 22:48.49 | mystic_touch | :x |
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| 22:49.37 | joaop | pipeline, i do all my steps again and add here http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=5337 , can u take a look pls ? |
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| 22:50.33 | napoleao | ok rsk, thanks :) |
| 22:50.55 | pipeline | rsk: Did you say power point powerpc? :P http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:820 |
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| 22:51.33 | ttick | who |
| 22:51.35 | ttick | mistell |
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| 22:52.13 | olskolirc | how can i tell what version of sarge i have? |
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| 22:52.44 | joaop | im using testing and i did all steps to install mysql-server and its here http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=5337 , somebody can take a look pls ? |
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| 22:52.57 | Karamon | Does anyone have some experience with equivs? |
| 22:53.00 | mfrisch | joaop: quit |
| 22:53.05 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: just ask |
| 22:53.07 | streuner | olskolirc: "what version of sarege" - you have sarge or Don't :-) |
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| 22:53.17 | streuner | olskolirc: sarge+ |
| 22:53.21 | joaop | mfrisch, quit ? |
| 22:53.45 | streuner | olskolirc: usually 'dpkg -l libc6' is enough... |
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| 22:54.14 | fozze_ | how do i extract a tar to a specific path? |
| 22:54.19 | Karamon | Could someone take a look at this and tell me what I need to edit to make equivs-build to work: http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=5335 |
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| 22:54.23 | dondelelcaro | fozze_: -C; man tar. |
| 22:54.35 | fozze_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:54.39 | olskolirc | i have sarge stable streuner |
| 22:54.51 | streuner | olskolirc: if you refering to Releases, just add 'security.debian.org' to your sources.list and you have the latest updates... |
| 22:55.10 | madd_matt | Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) -- How can I find out what the password for debian-sys-maint is supposed to be? I didn't realize debian used that account when i changed my users around, removing several extra ones I had.... |
| 22:55.11 | Quintin | Has anyone here used skype with a business PBX? |
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| 22:55.41 | mfrisch | joaop: purge mysql-server do a aptitude clean then reinstall. mysql5-server should install clean and start |
| 22:55.48 | streuner | Quintin: ask in ##linux, skype isn't in Debian... |
| 22:55.51 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: 1) the <> do not go there. 2) the version should not have a leading space, iirc. |
| 22:55.53 | olskolirc | 22sarge4 i have this one |
| 22:56.00 | olskolirc | now which version is the one out there now? |
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| 22:56.06 | Karamon | iirc? |
| 22:56.10 | dondelelcaro | !iirc |
| 22:56.10 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 22:56.23 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 22:56.28 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 22:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: finally, why exactly are you making an equivs package for apache2-common? |
| 22:56.45 | mfrisch | Quintin: no good pbx would allow skype! |
| 22:56.48 | fozze_ | !info lighttpd sarge |
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| 22:57.02 | Keith_S | yo |
| 22:57.08 | fozze_ | hrmm |
| 22:57.08 | mfrisch | Quintin: try kphone kiax |
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| 22:57.33 | Karamon | dondelelcaro: I need to install apache2-mod=auth-mysql , it tells me that it needs to have apache2-common installed but that there is no installation candidate (I already have apache2 installed) |
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| 22:58.46 | joaop | mfrisch, same problem |
| 22:58.54 | eldowan | Karamon: I'm not sure, but what about apache2.2-common? |
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| 22:59.41 | Karamon | eldowan: If I run that it says apache2.2-common is newest version, auth-mysql is specificall looking for: apache2-common (>= 2.0.50-10) but it is not installable |
| 22:59.59 | Karamon | If someone would like to take the lead on making a bug report that would be cool, but I don't know how to do that. |
| 22:59.59 | eldowan | Karamon: check the debian archive, I believe it is archive.debian.org |
| 23:00.01 | Quintin | mfrisch: whatever. I want a solution where you pick up a phone, hit a key combo, and the call is routed over the internet. what should I use ?? |
| 23:00.12 | eldowan | Karamon: scratch that, it is snapshots.debian.org I think |
| 23:00.20 | eldowan | !snapshots |
| 23:00.20 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 23:00.26 | eldowan | Karamon: ^^ |
| 23:00.28 | Karamon | eldowan: Do I put that in my sources list? |
| 23:00.41 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: this is #389579 and #400879; the solution is to fix those bugs, because it won't work even with the equivs package. |
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| 23:00.51 | eldowan | Karamon: you can browse the site, and I believe you can place a source for the specific package you want. |
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| 23:00.57 | joaop | apt-get remove --purge mysql-\*; updatedb; locate mysql (no one file listed); apt-get install mysql-server-5.0;Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!; invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. - pls, what can i do ? |
| 23:00.59 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 23:01.22 | Karamon | dondelelcaro: If this is something that I really need to work now, does that mean I ahve to isntall apache1? |
| 23:02.03 | Karamon | Now I wish I didn't go unstable :( |
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| 23:02.44 | mfrisch | joaop: you must have had a broken table or something before the install. did you use it before on your machine? |
| 23:02.57 | blondie | if you're using unstable, you don't need for anythign to work |
| 23:02.58 | eldowan | Karamon: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
| 23:03.03 | eldowan | Karamon: n/m |
| 23:03.14 | eldowan | Karamon: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/apache2-common |
| 23:03.26 | joaop | mfrisch, its on a server, other guy tried to install it too before me |
| 23:04.33 | mfrisch | joaop: the |
| 23:04.35 | Karamon | eldowan: This gives me apache2.2-common which will not solve my problem |
| 23:04.54 | eldowan | Karamon: I was hoping that it would help. Oh well. Sorry I couldn't help... |
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| 23:05.47 | eldowan | Karamon: when you load the page, click on the link that says... 2006/12/12 the packages it lists are apache2-common |
| 23:06.30 | bwlang | I just updated my system and now when i do ps aux | grep exim i see 103 instead of Debian-exim ... I can finger Debian-exim, what might be the problem? |
| 23:06.43 | mfrisch | joaop: "other" guy might have messed up some table in /var/ it should tell you where when you purge again |
| 23:06.57 | jgw2001 | any one think of the idea of have a solaris version of Debian since its now opensource |
| 23:07.11 | Karamon | When I put the line that it says at the top of the page in my sources.list it ignores my request: Ign http://snapshot.debian.net pool Release |
| 23:07.25 | joaop | mfrisch, table in /var ? what kind of table? |
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| 23:08.02 | mfrisch | joaop: someone may a bad database and now mysql won't even start |
| 23:08.12 | eldowan | Karamon: download a package for the architecture you are using, and dpkg -i <.deb> |
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| 23:08.30 | eldowan | Karamon: it is a work around, but hopefully it will get you working until your situation is resolved. |
| 23:08.43 | joaop | mfrisch, there is no database anymore |
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| 23:09.51 | kombi | in a zone file, how do you point www.foo.bar but also foo.bar to an IP? |
| 23:10.03 | Karamon | eldowan: I tried that and when I try to restart apache it says that the .so is garbled.. what does that mean? |
| 23:10.04 | kombi | ..not only.. |
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| 23:10.32 | eldowan | Karamon: it might mean that it is invompatible with your version of apache. You might be out of luck... |
| 23:10.38 | kombi | Karamon: is it the matching version? |
| 23:10.49 | mfrisch | joaop: something has changed...from the "default" install |
| 23:10.51 | eldowan | kombi: use an alias. |
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| 23:11.06 | kombi | eldown: cname you mean? |
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| 23:11.34 | eldowan | kombi: yes, that is what i mean |
| 23:11.34 | joaop | mfrisch, hum.. but i havent no one file like *mysql* on system.. |
| 23:11.41 | firepol | Hi there, I'm connected via SSH to a woody box. I did apt-get upgrade and now mysql doesn't want to start. I tried apt-get install mysql-server and it tells me it wnats to remove these packages: base-config libdigest-md5-perl mysql-server pidentd |
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| 23:11.57 | kombi | eldowan: what the line look like? |
| 23:11.57 | firepol | why that? i don't want ssh to be removed, else i will be kicked away from the machine |
| 23:12.01 | zOap | I've installed xli(img viewer) but somehow it requires sudo rights.. how do I set rights for that program? |
| 23:12.32 | eldowan | fooAfoosip |
| 23:12.38 | eldowan | foo A fooip |
| 23:12.47 | eldowan | foo2 CNAME foo |
| 23:12.47 | kombi | eldowan cname.. |
| 23:13.01 | eldowan | kombi: I know, you need an A record for the cname to reference. |
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| 23:13.27 | eldowan | kombi: The was I do it is as it is listed above, you can also make an entry in the servers hosts file |
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| 23:13.46 | kombi | eldowan: the thing is though, how do you catch NO host name before the domain part? |
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| 23:14.32 | eldowan | kombi: ask this again when I sign back on... |
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| 23:14.48 | kombi | eldowan: sign on to the dole?..;) |
| 23:15.18 | kombi | entry in hosts makes no sense at all.. |
| 23:15.19 | eldowan | kombi: I don't remember your last question, please repeat |
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| 23:15.46 | firepol | can someone help me to understand why some packages are kept back if i do apt-get upgrade? see http://www.pastebin.ca/326226 |
| 23:15.49 | kombi | eldowan: still the first..;) how do you catch no host before the domain part? |
| 23:15.50 | eldowan | kombi: you can setup dns to look in your servers hosts file if there is no corresponding local entry on the server, before it looks to its forwarding server. |
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| 23:16.12 | eldowan | kombi: I don't understand 'catch no host before the domain part' could you repost your desired mappings? |
| 23:16.32 | kombi | eldowan: I stand corrected then, never done that though since that would have to be done on the secondary as well |
| 23:16.58 | kombi | in a zone file, how do you point not only www.foo.bar but also foo.bar to an IP? |
| 23:17.00 | eldowan | kombi: I've never used it either, though I remember it is possible IIRC. |
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| 23:17.18 | eldowan | kombi, I will post a portion of one of my zones. just a second. |
| 23:17.18 | kombi | that was my orig question.. |
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| 23:18.11 | kombi | like when you do dig www.foo.bar you get an IP, but not with dig foo.bar. |
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| 23:18.59 | eldowan | kombi: http://pastebin.ca/326231 |
| 23:19.28 | eldowan | kombi: check the pastebin link and see if that makes sence |
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| 23:20.14 | ryancr | i am looking for a way to do a live 'realtime' screencast, from a debian server... my first thought is something like Xvfb running that the 'owner' could connect to via freenx and then use X11vnc so that clients could connect and watch... is this an over complicated idea...is there software out there to do this? |
| 23:20.19 | kombi | eldowan: sort of, that way you create a reference to www.foo.yourdomain.com though |
| 23:20.46 | ryancr | this server is remote with no keyboard,monitor etc |
| 23:20.50 | eldowan | kombi: oooh. wait a sec, I think I remember... |
| 23:20.59 | kombi | eldowan: what I look for is a way to point just the domain as it is to an IP |
| 23:21.43 | Dewi | ryancr: the freenx part sounds scary... will VNC do all you need? |
| 23:21.48 | eldowan | kombi: you should be able to make an A entry in the master zone using www as the name |
| 23:21.53 | concept10 | ryancr, http://debaday.debian.net/2007/01/10/gems-broadcast-your-terminal/ |
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| 23:21.56 | eldowan | www A xx.xx.xx.xxx |
| 23:22.23 | kombi | eldowan: I understand that, how do you do it WITHOUT the www? |
| 23:22.45 | eldowan | kombi: foo A xx.xx.xx.xxxx |
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| 23:22.49 | jgw2001 | freenx is great, have a debian freenx server here, works great |
| 23:22.51 | ryancr | Dewi: well the reason I wanted to use freenx, is I find it much better than vnc for speed etc |
| 23:22.55 | eldowan | it should the be foo.<yourdomain> |
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| 23:23.31 | mfrisch | ryancr: why not ssh |
| 23:23.34 | eldowan | kombi: If I seem to be repeating the same things, I might not understand the question well enough to help in your situation. |
| 23:23.39 | kombi | eldowan: you're not understanding me..;) foo.bar is the domain, how do you point foo.bar with nothing before it, not www.not anything to an IP |
| 23:23.59 | kombi | eldowan: sorry.. |
| 23:24.22 | eldowan | kombi: you have www.foo.bar resolving to an IP address, and you want foo.bar to resolve to the same IP? |
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| 23:24.37 | jgw2001 | download nxclient 1.5 and try 87.194.118.242 :22 username:eeposs password: password |
| 23:24.38 | kombi | eldowan: exaaaacty! ;) |
| 23:24.41 | ryancr | mfrisch: well i could do ssh forwarding, but I am not sure how that would work with the vnc clients that want to watch |
| 23:24.51 | shwag | i have no idea how to configure nagios because all the docs are written for the source version, and the debian nagios packages completely break away from the normal install. |
| 23:25.00 | dendrite | kombi: BIND9 ? |
| 23:25.00 | jgw2001 | Its as if your using you computer locally, works great on dialup as well |
| 23:25.07 | kombi | yip |
| 23:25.31 | jgw2001 | shame freenx is not included in debian |
| 23:25.36 | kombi | ..dendrite |
| 23:25.55 | eldowan | kombi: have patience... dendrite is probably looking... |
| 23:26.00 | mfrisch | jgw2001: is it like xen |
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| 23:26.22 | kombi | no hurry..;) |
| 23:26.30 | eldowan | kombi: no worries :D |
| 23:26.36 | jgw2001 | no |
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| 23:26.57 | eldowan | mfrisch: freenx is like vnc or RDP (remote desktop) from windows |
| 23:27.00 | shwag | how come when I do /etc/init.d/nagios2 restart i get Error: Could not read host and service status information! |
| 23:27.07 | bobby | I'm trying to add .pdf to a bunch of files though I can't seem to get rename to accept propper regular expressions... any suggestions? |
| 23:27.12 | dendrite | kombi: I forget... Is it a period, in place of the host name? Or a blank space... |
| 23:27.24 | dendrite | kombi: I thought I had an example handy... |
| 23:27.33 | eldowan | dendrite: That is what I was thinking actually... :D |
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| 23:27.59 | pisti | bobby: with rename ? |
| 23:28.02 | bobby | atm I'm stuck with rename 's//.pdf/' * which just adds pdf to the start of them |
| 23:28.10 | CyberGabber | ryancr: Google for 'vnc over ssh' to find a bunch of info, take a look at : http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html |
| 23:28.17 | kombi | dedrite: period sounds like it, I think I will just do trial & error with named-checkzone then, thanks people! |
| 23:28.26 | bobby | pisti, prefferably - I thought it was possible...else I'll have to remmeber how to use tr or what ever it was in a loop :P |
| 23:28.32 | eldowan | kombi: if you figure it, let me know please |
| 23:28.37 | kombi | ok |
| 23:28.48 | shwag | it looks like /etc/init.d/nagios restart doesnt actually bring the daemon back up even though it reports back [ ok ] |
| 23:28.49 | ryancr | CyberGabber: ill take a look thanks |
| 23:28.52 | jgw2001 | http://www.eeposs.co.uk/downloads/nxclient_1.5.0-113_i386.deb <- try this |
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| 23:29.06 | eldowan | kombi: what about taking the www off the zone at the top of the file, and making a www A entry lower? |
| 23:29.24 | pisti | bobby: try rename 's/$/.pdf/' * |
| 23:29.31 | dendrite | www shouldn't be in the zone, that's a host name. |
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| 23:29.50 | sid | How can I have my screen lock when I push a button on my keyboard?(the shitty "i" button on my dell laptop) |
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| 23:30.05 | bobby | pisti, that did it :) |
| 23:30.06 | bobby | thank you |
| 23:30.12 | eldowan | dendrite: if www isn't in the zone, then shouldn't foo.bar resolve, as it is the soa? or mabye it isn't the soa |
| 23:30.21 | pisti | bobby: you're welcome :) |
| 23:30.23 | kombi | eldowan + dendrite: blank was it! |
| 23:30.33 | eldowan | kombi: so it was a blank A entry? |
| 23:30.39 | hardcoffee | plz i need a good administrator who speak french in pv plz |
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| 23:30.51 | kombi | that's right eldowan. |
| 23:30.54 | octal | sid, use xbindkeys or superkb to bind the key (or key combination) to a program like gnome-screensaver-command --lock or the xscreensaver equivalent. |
| 23:30.56 | eldowan | hardcoffee: have you checked #debian.fr? |
| 23:31.03 | hardcoffee | oh -.- |
| 23:31.05 | hardcoffee | kk |
| 23:31.10 | dendrite | eldowan: the zone doesn't have a record. You'd need a specific A or whatever record... |
| 23:31.10 | eldowan | !fr |
| 23:31.10 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:31.18 | dendrite | kombi: Cool. |
| 23:31.19 | eldowan | hardcoffee: it is #debian-fr |
| 23:31.36 | eldowan | kombi: glad it works for you. :D |
| 23:31.42 | humbolto | I want to grep lines with a certain group id from /etc/passwd and then show the user names only or better produce one line with all names seperated by a colon. how would I do that? |
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| 23:31.59 | kombi | well, thanks for tiping me off to period or blank |
| 23:32.03 | eldowan | humbolto: check into using grep | awk |
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| 23:32.31 | zibi | do you knew how can i explore network place on Debian Surge ? |
| 23:32.45 | JordiGH | Surge!! |
| 23:32.53 | mfrisch | ha |
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| 23:33.04 | jgw2001 | next version of debian |
| 23:33.05 | eldowan | one caffinated beverage, that |
| 23:33.07 | JordiGH | zibi: What's a "network place"? I use ssh to move around my network. |
| 23:33.11 | alrs | Who is the herder? |
| 23:33.18 | alrs | wrong window, sorry |
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| 23:33.37 | eldowan | JordiGH: I think zibi means a network browser, like windows network neighborhood |
| 23:33.38 | zibi | i mea like in windows :) |
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| 23:33.47 | zibi | yes |
| 23:33.50 | JordiGH | ssh |
| 23:33.56 | eldowan | zibi: are you using gnome or kde or something else? |
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| 23:34.04 | JordiGH | konqui knows ssh. |
| 23:34.06 | zibi | kde |
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| 23:34.28 | zibi | someon told me that i should instal some |
| 23:34.30 | eldowan | zibi: go -> network folders |
| 23:34.34 | jgw2001 | I have to install vista for work |
| 23:34.39 | jgw2001 | :(( |
| 23:34.47 | eldowan | zibi: in konqueror. Also smb4k will work wonders sometimes. |
| 23:34.49 | rahul | !whiskey jgw2001 |
| 23:34.53 | sid | octal: If I want a certain key to do the same thing for all users, how do I set that up? |
| 23:35.00 | eldowan | !beer jgw2001 |
| 23:35.10 | shwag | how do I reinstall all the configuration files for nagios2 ? |
| 23:35.17 | rahul | he doesn't need a guinness, he needs a bottle of jim beam, heh |
| 23:35.25 | eldowan | rahul: well enough beers... |
| 23:35.26 | eldowan | !beer jgw2001 |
| 23:35.33 | zibi | do you knew wher is a man for that ? |
| 23:35.44 | eldowan | zibi: for what exactly? |
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| 23:36.01 | octal | ah, I don't know. none of those programs accept globally assigned keys yet. |
| 23:36.27 | zibi | eldowin:how to instal that smb4k |
| 23:36.28 | sid | octal: How do I set up xbindkeys for just my user? |
| 23:37.03 | eldowan | zibi: are you new to debian? |
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| 23:37.10 | zibi | yep |
| 23:37.13 | zibi | i am |
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| 23:37.22 | eldowan | zibi: Are you more comfortable with a cli, or gui? |
| 23:37.40 | zibi | whats mean cli or gui ? |
| 23:37.43 | octal | sid, install it with apt-get and configure it. |
| 23:37.44 | fozze_ | anyone running debian on an embedded arm here? |
| 23:37.49 | eldowan | zibi: a command line, or a graphical interface |
| 23:38.10 | zibi | i prefer comand |
| 23:38.14 | eldowan | fozze_: I've got a biological arm here... actually I have two |
| 23:38.21 | humbolto | eldowan: I seam to remember there was some gizmo which would split my lines into args by a certain seperator char, which I could specify. Am not sure this was awk, while certainly you can achieve the same thing with it. But I think there was something dedicated to that sole purpose. |
| 23:38.40 | JordiGH | humbolto, emacs_ |
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| 23:38.42 | eldowan | zibi: in a terminal, type aptitude install smb4k |
| 23:38.42 | JordiGH | = |
| 23:38.44 | sid | Jan 23 18:37:58 localhost kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x81 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 23:38.44 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:38.47 | sid | Jan 23 18:37:58 localhost kernel: atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e001 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 23:38.57 | rahul | I'll show you augmentation |
| 23:38.57 | sid | I want that key to lock the screen in gnome. |
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| 23:39.05 | zibi | apt-get instal right ? |
| 23:39.20 | fozze_ | apt-get install my augmentation |
| 23:39.26 | dendrite | humbolto: cut |
| 23:39.34 | eldowan | zibi: if you are on sarge, yes. Though aptitude is recommended by debian... |
| 23:39.34 | Ubuh-Huntuh | This mid size company has a web server (linux+apache+mysql+php) that has been hacked into. They need some clean ups and possibly rebuilding. How much would you charge them hourly (as a consultant) assuming you have been doing unix admin for 5 years? |
| 23:39.35 | rahul | sid: you set that in the window manager, not in gnome |
| 23:39.36 | eldowan | either will work |
| 23:39.55 | rahul | sid: but still, first you need to setkeycodes |
| 23:40.03 | fozze_ | actually, I'm just looking for someone to reccomend a partitioning tool |
| 23:40.09 | eldowan | Ubuh-Huntuh: I would charge them enough for my time, and 3x that. I don't really know. |
| 23:40.15 | eldowan | fozze_: parted |
| 23:40.19 | asd1 | could sb tell me how to play .nsv streams in vlc? |
| 23:40.26 | eldowan | fozze_: cfdisk, fdisk, qtparted for the GUI |
| 23:40.28 | asd1 | or .wma both dont work |
| 23:40.31 | PingFloyd | Ubuh-Huntuh: the going rate |
| 23:40.36 | zibi | ok |
| 23:40.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | which is? |
| 23:40.49 | dendrite | Ubuh-Huntuh: Depends on where you are. |
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| 23:40.56 | PingFloyd | Ubuh-Huntuh: research it |
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| 23:41.03 | eldowan | Ubuh-Huntuh: 70-90K/yr, do the math to bring it down to your timeframe... |
| 23:41.05 | fozze_ | eldowan: yeah i need something at the console, thanks |
| 23:41.17 | eldowan | fozze_: I like cfdisk, curses based |
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| 23:41.35 | Ubuh-Huntuh | its in Los Angeles. |
| 23:41.44 | Ubuh-Huntuh | OK that sounds about right |
| 23:42.12 | PingFloyd | look at salary surveys for such positions |
| 23:42.22 | eldowan | zibi: FYI aptitude has 2 modes of operation. straight command line, like we are doing, and a terminal curses based interface where you can browse through different categories, install, remove packages and much more. just type aptitude w/o any arguments |
| 23:42.44 | eldowan | Ubuh-Huntuh: I was serious when I said I didn't know. that math was a fart in the tornado |
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| 23:43.05 | PingFloyd | that will give you a ballpark of what to expect |
| 23:43.06 | zibi | i make that apt-get install |
| 23:43.13 | zibi | thay make sth |
| 23:43.29 | eldowan | zibi: yes, apt-get install smb4k. what is 'thay make sth'? |
| 23:43.53 | zibi | they install smb on my pc |
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| 23:44.12 | zibi | i have 1 more question |
| 23:44.29 | eldowan | zibi: yes, it will install smb, as it will use smb to mount any windows shares that smb4k finds. |
| 23:44.32 | eldowan | zibi: ask away |
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| 23:44.37 | zibi | how can i look on my neyberhood shared folders on graphic mode ? |
| 23:44.48 | pipeline | nautilus |
| 23:44.54 | shwag | how do I reinstall all the configuration files that came with a package ? |
| 23:44.57 | zOap | I've had a program that is run only as user. it relies on other addons, that are run as root. how can I set the addon run as user? |
| 23:45.01 | pipeline | shwag: purge it then reinstall. |
| 23:45.26 | pipeline | zOap: Assuming the program was well-written, just make it suid and it should work. (chmod +s) |
| 23:45.39 | pipeline | zOap: suid is dangerous |
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| 23:46.06 | pipeline | Ubuh-Huntuh: Pitch them a rate you think is fair. *shrug* |
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| 23:46.12 | zOap | pipeline, yeah, but I dont want it to be suid. I need it to be my userlevel.. |
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| 23:46.36 | PingFloyd | zOap: look for an alternative that doesn't require root privileges for what you're trying to do |
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| 23:47.10 | asd1 | could somebody tell me why vlc doesnt play wmv files? says they are supported by default |
| 23:47.24 | PingFloyd | especially, if the need for root privileges doesn't make sense for what the program has to do |
| 23:47.33 | eldowan | asd1: have you made sure you have the win32 codecs? |
| 23:47.36 | zOap | PingFloyd, I am using FM Worker, which relies on an addon xli, which is root... I need xli to be user |
| 23:48.01 | capiira | anyone here know a good site that explains me how to create a .deb of a tarball and how to create a repository? |
| 23:48.30 | rahul | !nmg |
| 23:48.30 | dpkg | i guess nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 23:48.49 | zibi | ok |
| 23:48.53 | rahul | and #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 23:48.53 | zibi | i knew now |
| 23:48.55 | PingFloyd | zOap: I've never used it, but I'm of the school of thought of avoiding programs running with suid set where ever possible |
| 23:48.57 | zibi | :) |
| 23:49.00 | zibi | thanx |
| 23:49.05 | capiira | thx |
| 23:49.15 | eldowan | zibi: so you don't need to ask your other question? |
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| 23:50.23 | zOap | PingFloyd, But I cant use sudo in those codelines... This is an imagevier built into a filemeanger.. so you see it means problems.. since I'm running FM as user.. |
| 23:51.03 | zibi | hmm |
| 23:51.11 | zibi | i wrote in console |
| 23:51.20 | zibi | smb4k |
| 23:51.27 | eldowan | zibi: what about it? |
| 23:51.39 | zibi | and they get me graphic interface |
| 23:51.41 | PingFloyd | zOap: can you just use a different file manager? |
| 23:51.50 | zibi | i finde some pc |
| 23:51.59 | zOap | PingFloyd, Why would I? this is my favorite |
| 23:52.07 | zibi | but i cant get on they shared HDD |
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| 23:52.25 | zibi | not some.. my brothers pc :P |
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| 23:52.37 | eldowan | zibi: you can try using the command line to browse there and try to login. |
| 23:52.51 | zOap | PingFloyd, I thought maybe I could just chown the /bin/xli file and it was all go, but noooo |
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| 23:53.14 | eldowan | zibi: use smbclient \\\\<IP>\\ -U <username> |
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| 23:54.16 | PingFloyd | zOap: seems kind silly that that it requires root privileges just to be able to use (can understand if it were about accessing files that only root has access to, but to be able to use all? I'd be using a different FM thanks). |
| 23:55.21 | zOap | PingFloyd, you mean its silly that xli uses root yes, but that has nothing to do with the fm.. |
| 23:55.32 | PingFloyd | zOap: yes, that |
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| 23:55.55 | zOap | PingFloyd, ok, but isnt there a way of giving xli other permissions? |
| 23:56.11 | eldowan | Can someone help me with my sudo configuration? I'm trying to force my timeout to 0, but I don't understand after reading the man page. I'm just trying to change one user. |
| 23:56.14 | PingFloyd | zOap: what do you mean by xli? |
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| 23:56.32 | eldowan | PingFloyd: I think it is a helper program for his FM thing |
| 23:56.34 | asd1 | what's the name of the w32codecs package, cant seem to find it |
| 23:56.37 | asd1 | rpm or deb? |
| 23:56.39 | zOap | PingFloyd, xli is the image viewer that Worker uses to send images to the screen... |
| 23:56.51 | PingFloyd | eldowan: oh ok |
| 23:56.53 | eldowan | asd1: I'm not sure. |
| 23:56.57 | dondelelcaro | asd1: w32codecs; it's not in Debian, so you'll have to find it on debian-multimedia.org or similar. |
| 23:57.10 | PingFloyd | zOap: is there a different helper or plugin, or whatever, you could use instead for that? |
| 23:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: nah, it just means that you need to fix the bug. |
| 23:57.41 | zOap | PingFloyd, I've heard that imagemagik can do that. but with some configuing |
| 23:57.47 | justin | eldowan: does forcing the timeout to 0 mean no timeout, or no use of sudo? |
| 23:58.12 | eldowan | justin: forcing password for each sudo use. |
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| 23:58.36 | justin | eldowan: oh, that timeout |
| 23:58.40 | octal | sid, you'll find more info in the xbindkeys project page. You will find it using Google. |
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| 23:59.30 | PingFloyd | zOap: only thing you can really do at this point, is check around to see if there is a way to get xli work under a user (to make sure you're not overlooking something), or find an alternative to xli, or possible the FM if it comes down to it. |
| 23:59.57 | PingFloyd | zOap: or allow xli as suid and pray it's not too buggy |
