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| 00:00.34 | yungknight | what is the package for mod umask on debian? (apache mod) |
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| 00:01.13 | asd1 | if anybody in here is using w32codecs, please tell me how you got it |
| 00:01.27 | eldowan | asd1: dondelelcaro said it earlier, check at debian=multimedia |
| 00:01.28 | zOap | PingFloyd, ok, actually it is suid already. but not working, cause then I have to type sudo in front. And I can since this is two pane manager with image in one row and manager in the other. no typing at all, just select the file and boom it shows the picture.. |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | yungknight: apt-cache search |
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| 00:01.35 | zinx | asd1: sounds like something that would be in an unofficial repository to me. |
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| 00:01.43 | abrotman | !tell asd1 about debian-multimedia |
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| 00:02.54 | asd1 | eldowan: guess what i tried to do |
| 00:03.34 | eldowan | asd1: ?? |
| 00:05.44 | eldowan | abrotman: do you feel like lending a hand for a sudo configuration? |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | eh? |
| 00:05.56 | eldowan | or rather an eye and a couple of fingers... |
| 00:06.04 | eldowan | I'm trying to force my timeout to 0, but I don't understand after reading the man page. I'm just trying to change one user. |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | eldowan: which man page ? |
| 00:06.29 | eldowan | abrotman: sudo, and sudoers |
| 00:06.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is the proper way of getting nvidia to work in debian i have installed nvidia-glx and kernel stuff module loads but no glxinfo or glxgears or any gl stuff works in X can someone help? |
| 00:07.01 | zibi | i need to mount smbfs from local pc |
| 00:07.04 | zibi | i write |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | okay .. so what doesn't work ? |
| 00:07.17 | eldowan | !tell evilbulgarian about nvidia oneliner |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | !tell evilbulgarian about nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:07.32 | zibi | mount -t smbfs \\<ip> \destination |
| 00:07.40 | abrotman | you need a share name too |
| 00:07.48 | zibi | and they wan to some pass |
| 00:07.50 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't understand how i'm supposed to add the timeout for a user |
| 00:07.55 | yungknight | abrotman: apt-cache is the first thing i tried but i didn't get it so i was wondering if it went with another name |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | eldowan: timestamp_timeout seems to be the option |
| 00:08.29 | eldowan | abrotman: I guess what I don't understand is how to apply it to a user. |
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| 00:09.11 | abrotman | that man page sucks :) |
| 00:09.13 | coz_ | hello I just cmae here to get you interpretaions of the "popularity-contest" |
| 00:09.19 | abrotman | yungknight: what is it ? |
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| 00:09.27 | abrotman | !tell coz_ about popcon |
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| 00:09.29 | eldowan | abrotman: I'm glad I'm not too stupid to read it. |
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| 00:09.45 | yungknight | abrotman: a umasking related module in for apache |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | eldowan: so you don't understand the syntax ? |
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| 00:10.01 | abrotman | yungknight: called mod_umask ? |
| 00:10.05 | eldowan | abrotman: correct. |
| 00:10.05 | coz_ | abrotman, I know what it is I wanted your opinions on this |
| 00:10.14 | abrotman | coz_: regarding what? |
| 00:10.28 | abrotman | eldowan: you found the option though ? |
| 00:10.29 | coz_ | abrotman, who do you believe this benefits |
| 00:10.32 | yungknight | abrotman: i guess not cuz apt-cache didn't list anything like that |
| 00:10.47 | abrotman | coz_: it helps decide the order of packages on the CDs among other things |
| 00:10.56 | eldowan | coz_: popcon isn't really supposed to be that reliable as it requires an smtp engine(or equiv) to be installed on the machine, and internet access for which to send it. |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | eldowan: what? |
| 00:11.30 | coz_ | eldowan, well I reallt see no need for any develper to know what is on my system and what I find uselful |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | coz_: then don't install it |
| 00:11.47 | eldowan | abrotman: I understand that I need timestamp_timeout set to zero. |
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| 00:11.55 | evilbulgarian | eldowan: i have done all that like i said module is there and xorg start up fine just not glx |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | eldowan: just now how to set it huh ? |
| 00:11.59 | coz_ | abchirk, unfortuanley it is installed by default on this distro |
| 00:12.06 | coz_ | not enagbled but installed |
| 00:12.11 | coz_ | ok thaks guys |
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| 00:12.15 | eldowan | evilbulgarian: and you have mesa-utils installed? |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | coz_: so what ? it doesn't do anything then |
| 00:12.33 | eldowan | abrotman: Actually, that was what I was asking in the first place. :D |
| 00:12.33 | abrotman | yungknight: assuming it's mod_umask .. i don't see it anywhere |
| 00:12.41 | yungknight | k |
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| 00:12.48 | evilbulgarian | eldowan: nope what do i do after i install those |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | yungknight: perhaps ask #apache if it has a different name |
| 00:12.51 | strubi | how does apache decide which version of installed php to use? |
| 00:12.56 | coz_ | abrotman, it is there without my permission and cannot be uninstalled without uninstalling other elements I think I might have to switch to debian :) |
| 00:13.07 | eldowan | evilbulgarian: mesa-utils will give you glx-gears among other things like glxinfo |
| 00:13.12 | stew | strubi: you can only have one installed at once (if you are using debian packages) |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | coz_: then file a bug on it ... |
| 00:13.25 | strubi | stew but i have php4 and also php5 installed |
| 00:13.26 | coz_ | abrotman, thanks:) |
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| 00:13.46 | stew | strubi: then you aren't using the debian packages |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | unless one is php5-cgi and one is libapache-mod-php4 maybev ? |
| 00:14.14 | bobby | how do I prompt for a varible and then store it in bash? |
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| 00:14.30 | abrotman | eldowan: looks like "Parameter ::= timestamp_timeout = 0" |
| 00:14.44 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 00:14.46 | stew | abrotman: yeah its the mod-php{4,5} that conflict |
| 00:14.46 | eldowan | abrotman: And that goes at the end of the user's line? |
| 00:14.47 | bobby | at the moment I am trying some thing like $year='var from cli' |
| 00:14.48 | abrotman | eldowan: looks like "Parameter ::= timestamp_timeout '=' 0" |
| 00:14.50 | strubi | stew ohh, i just see, that it is not php4 it is php4-cli and php4-common which is installed. ive the problem that egroupware pages do not appear insteed it displays a blank page, but all the rest works very well. |
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| 00:15.09 | abrotman | bobby: ask #bash |
| 00:15.14 | bobby | rgr |
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| 00:15.15 | stew | strubi: install libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:15.20 | stew | strubi: (or php5 if you prefer) |
| 00:15.52 | strubi | stew i've php5 installed and also some old php4-xxx packages. could this be the problem, that egroupwares web access displays blank pages? |
| 00:16.25 | stew | strubi: is libapache[2]-mod-php{4,5} installed? |
| 00:16.38 | stew | strubi: if php wasn't working, i'd expect you to see php sourcecode, not a blank page |
| 00:16.57 | nweaver917 | do you have to install an smp kernel for dual core procs, or should deb stable auto find one? What is the generic package for "latest 2.6 smp kernel"? |
| 00:17.21 | stew | nweaver917: what version of debian? |
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| 00:17.27 | stew | oh stable |
| 00:17.31 | nweaver917 | stable |
| 00:17.32 | infernix | does a core on an intel core2duo come with hyperthreading? |
| 00:17.33 | nweaver917 | ? |
| 00:17.35 | stew | nweaver917: you need a -smp version then |
| 00:17.37 | strubi | stew yes libapache2-mod-php5 is installed |
| 00:17.42 | nweaver917 | thanks Stew |
| 00:17.53 | zOap | Can a user have sudo rights on one specific file without having to type sudo? |
| 00:17.58 | stew | nweaver917: in etch you won't, all kernels will be smp kernels |
| 00:18.16 | strubi | stew i'm really desperate, it just shows a blank page and i can not find the error |
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| 00:18.33 | strubi | all the rest like joomla work very well |
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| 00:18.41 | stew | strubi: i don't know anything about egroupware |
| 00:18.52 | stew | strubi: is joomla also php? |
| 00:19.03 | strubi | any html pages i create in egroupware directory are displayed ok. only the php ones not |
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| 00:20.06 | stew | strubi: create a page named test.php, containing <?=phpinfo()?> ; and see what you see when you hit it |
| 00:20.11 | stew | (iirc) |
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| 00:20.18 | strubi | right |
| 00:21.03 | strubi | stew it works ok. testpage with the phpinfo() call works fine |
| 00:21.27 | eldowan | I've got a debian box setup as a router/firewall on my network of 30 users. Today, the throughput has fallen to about 30% of what it should be. This happened in the past, and I re-installed and all was well. Now it is happening again, and I have no idea what to check. uname -a : Linux fw 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:21.57 | stew | strubi: then its an egroupware problem, not a php problem. did you read /usr/share/doc/egroupware* ? |
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| 00:22.18 | strubi | stew i did, but couldn't find any helpfull information for this |
| 00:22.22 | nweaver917 | eldowan, have you checked top to make sure things look ok there? |
| 00:22.41 | nweaver917 | and tailed the logs |
| 00:23.02 | yungknight | how do i setup the umasks for programs in debian? apache for example? |
| 00:23.07 | eldowan | nweaver917: top is good. and the logs are full of dhcp requests/renewals |
| 00:23.26 | jsan | hi my friends i have a pptpd server and if my computer turn down my pppt conecttion in my server is blocked becouse i didnt closed the conection by the correct form, my ipaddress is up in the server. How is possible to create a solutions for this case ? |
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| 00:23.59 | abrotman | when you shut down .. have it close the connection |
| 00:24.13 | jsan | no abreotman |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | not possible ? |
| 00:24.22 | jsan | the connection im my server is up |
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| 00:24.58 | nweaver917 | nothing in dmesg about NIC configs? |
| 00:24.58 | nweaver917 | Network troubles should start at layer 1, change all cables to/from the device, then make sure you are linking up at the same on both ends |
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| 00:25.14 | jsan | an d if i trey to conect agan the conection isnt possible becouse my ip is up im my server |
| 00:25.29 | jsan | understand abrotman ? |
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| 00:26.58 | abrotman | js_: right .. when you shut down the machine .. disconnect your network correctly |
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| 00:27.43 | strubi | can i call php files in a shell? |
| 00:27.55 | strubi | for debuggin |
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| 00:28.34 | jsan | abrotman , if i shtudwon my machine whitout close the pptpd conection and my machine up if i try to conection again the conection is dropd |
| 00:28.44 | dendrite | strubi: Did you try it? |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | right .. so close it when you shutdown |
| 00:29.02 | strubi | dendrite i did php -e index.php but it gave an error |
| 00:29.09 | jsan | no the pptpd conection isnt close |
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| 00:29.21 | dendrite | strubi: Was the error meaningful? |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | right .. so *close* it |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | which one of us is confused ... |
| 00:29.41 | strubi | dendrite yes it says that Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '{' in /var/lib/egroupware/header.inc.php on line 46 |
| 00:29.55 | strubi | but i never touched this file, it must be from the package |
| 00:30.04 | minerale | Has anyone here used IBM TSO ? (or knows anything about it?) |
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| 00:30.15 | dendrite | strubi: Is this a debian package? |
| 00:30.21 | jsan | the pptpd conection is up in the server becouse i didnt closed the conection before down the machine |
| 00:30.25 | jsan | understand ? |
| 00:30.28 | strubi | dendrite yes, egroupware-core |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | minerale: TSM you mean ? |
| 00:30.35 | dendrite | strubi: Anything in BTS? |
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| 00:30.55 | strubi | dendrite BTS? what is BTs? |
| 00:31.56 | dendrite | !bts |
| 00:31.56 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:31.56 | azeem | !bts |
| 00:31.56 | jsan | is possible to solve this problem ? abrotman ? |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | jsan: can't you get the server to drop the connection ? |
| 00:31.56 | minerale | abrotman: Time Sharing Option /// or ISPF |
| 00:31.57 | strubi | dendrite i see, no it was working today but i don't know i must have messed it up. i had to reinstall that packge |
| 00:31.57 | minerale | abrotman: have you worked with either before? |
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| 00:31.57 | resistance | when running a web server, is it a good idea to name the server as the domain name, like ppcol.net? |
| 00:31.57 | dendrite | strubi: You can also use debsums, to see if a file is not package-pristine. |
| 00:32.06 | jsan | abrotman i dont know how i configure the pptpd server to close the conectio |
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| 00:32.13 | jsan | is there a param to do this ? |
| 00:32.22 | resistance | i'm trying to determine if there is a connection when setting up a mail server |
| 00:32.27 | strubi | dendrite ahh, ok |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | minerale: oh .. i thought you meant the TSM stuff .. and no :) |
| 00:33.07 | dendrite | strubi: But to answer your original question, running web apps from the shell can be a useful debugging trick, though the different context can cause non-correct operation in some cases. |
| 00:33.08 | justin | resistance: no, name the server something else, and add a cname or another record for 'www' |
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| 00:33.49 | strubi | dendrite yes, but this way i could find out, that there is a syntax error in a particular file. thank you very very much. i hope i can figure out the rest |
| 00:33.57 | topgun553 | Can anyone help me get my printer to work for Ubuntu 6.06 LTS? |
| 00:34.02 | jsan | abroatman : is there a param in pptpd server to close the conection if the machine down whithout closer the conection normaly ? |
| 00:34.21 | twobitsp1ite | is there something like yakuake that doesn't use kde libs? |
| 00:34.23 | dendrite | strubi: Those errors may also be showing up in your web server logs, you might consider using 'tail' to monitor those... |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | i'm sure there is |
| 00:34.29 | strubi | but i found out that the egroupware-core package does not contain this file, it lays somewhere else |
| 00:34.32 | abrotman | topgun553: try #ubuntu |
| 00:34.34 | twobitsp1ite | kinda hard to google for |
| 00:34.36 | topgun553 | tried it |
| 00:34.38 | topgun553 | no help |
| 00:34.44 | strubi | dendrite no i did look into the apache logs, and it doesn show them at all |
| 00:34.52 | dendrite | strubi: dpkg -S /path/to/mystery/file will show it's owning packge. |
| 00:35.14 | jsan | abroatman : you know how param ? |
| 00:35.16 | strubi | dendrite thats what i did, but it shows me the file on a different location |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | js_: no .. i don't |
| 00:35.36 | dendrite | strubi: Ah. Well, sounds like you'll soon have it sorted. :-) |
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| 00:35.44 | abrotman | topgun553: tough .. go to #ubuntu .. we do not support Ubuntu in #debian |
| 00:35.56 | jsan | thanks m frind abroatman |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | topgun553: or try #cups (if it exists) or try ##linux |
| 00:36.05 | jsan | im going to try |
| 00:36.11 | topgun553 | alright thanks abrotman |
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| 00:36.22 | strubi | dendrite yes, somehow i will solve it, but i don't know why this file exists there at all. noone did tell him to install it there, not me not debian. so where the ehll is it comming from |
| 00:36.31 | prologic | How do you list the installed files that a package providers ? |
| 00:36.50 | dendrite | strubi: Does it look like a file that might be placed by an install script? |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 00:36.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkg> |
| 00:36.56 | nweaver917 | any idea why ssh will allow passwords even though the PasswordAuthentication is set to know, and the ssh service restarted? |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | !tell prologic about refcard |
| 00:37.02 | prologic | abrotman, ta |
| 00:37.29 | shwag | how can I tell which package a file came from ? |
| 00:37.32 | jsan | becouse a have work hard becouse i have many users and her conectins closed and their call me |
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| 00:37.40 | jsan | all the time |
| 00:37.45 | dendrite | shwag: dpkg -S <packagename> |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | dendrite: no .. -L |
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| 00:38.08 | prologic | abrotman, ta |
| 00:38.08 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. wrong question :) |
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| 00:38.12 | strubi | dendrite the file is called header.inc.php and is laying normaly in /usr/share/egroupware but in my case it is a link which looks to /var/lib/egroupware/header.inc.php and this file shows a syntax error if i execute index.php |
| 00:38.13 | dendrite | abrotman: Ummm.? |
| 00:38.16 | felipe_ | hello, good evening, is posible to use more than one filter/tcp at the same time in iptraf in statical breakdown by service? |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | dendrite: dpkg -S <file> :) |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | dendrite: i thought you were answering prologic :) |
| 00:38.32 | dendrite | abrotman: Oh, yeah. :-) |
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| 00:39.03 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:39.07 | strubi | dendrite is multitasking able. thank you really very very much. you are really helpfull |
| 00:39.08 | dendrite | strubi: Does the /var/... file havfe a package owner? |
| 00:39.10 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:39.29 | olskolirc | im installing etch in vmware |
| 00:39.31 | jsan | by my frinends |
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| 00:39.47 | strubi | dendrite since it is called with the same name and when i look for it with dpkg -S it shows me that it is in egroupware-core |
| 00:39.48 | olskolirc | im doing it like this because i didn't like the install on my hard drive |
| 00:39.58 | nweaver917 | wow, didn't realize that / opened search in firefox...just did it out of habit and it opened the "find" option :D |
| 00:40.00 | dendrite | abrotman: Well, in my case, it should also have been <file> :-) |
| 00:40.01 | olskolirc | so im going to play with it here until i becomes stabel |
| 00:40.05 | olskolirc | stable* |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | dendrite: i said that! |
| 00:40.14 | olskolirc | abrotmannnnnnnnnnnnn :-P |
| 00:40.15 | dendrite | abrotman: Yes you did! |
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| 00:40.23 | xored | how to change the encoding in the console..when importing a dump ? ( mysql5) ..mysql --default-character-set=latin1 < dump.sql is not working.. |
| 00:41.08 | H2S04 | hahaha |
| 00:41.33 | dkr | xored: you probably had to do that when you created dump.sql... |
| 00:41.59 | dkr | although latin1 is default, i think |
| 00:42.23 | xored | dkr: that step is lost..i changed the encoding through eclipse to latin1(iso-8559-1) |
| 00:42.46 | xored | dkr: but when i pipe it to mysql...its converted to utf8 again..my console is utf8 |
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| 00:43.39 | dkr | that shouldn't matter, since the data never goes to your console, only your shell is passing it to mysql |
| 00:43.53 | woodgrain | My nautilus is getting so locked up -- recommend other file manager!! |
| 00:43.58 | dkr | hrm, unless some env vars affect mysql client... |
| 00:44.03 | xored | mysql --default-character-set=latin1 < dump.sql is not working.. |
| 00:44.23 | xored | thats a pipe ? hmm..i had this problem before..its exactly that prob |
| 00:44.26 | dkr | woodgrain: bash |
| 00:44.43 | xored | you get the same problem when you make a dump with mysqdump mydb > dump.sql |
| 00:44.50 | dkr | xored: well, not technically, but commadn < file is the same as cat file | command |
| 00:44.53 | woodgrain | dkr, he he. I do bash, but I like a file manager too sometimes. |
| 00:45.00 | abrotman | woodgrain: xfe |
| 00:45.06 | dkr | midnight commander? |
| 00:45.07 | xored | woodgrain: zsh :) |
| 00:45.18 | xored | konqueror ! :) |
| 00:45.32 | dkr | I think nautilus is based off of gnu midnight commander |
| 00:45.42 | dkr | er, gnome mc |
| 00:45.46 | woodgrain | abrotman, I don't want a windows look alike. do you use xfe? |
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| 00:45.56 | abrotman | no .. i don't use a file manager :) |
| 00:46.02 | seblu | hello |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | woodgrain: thunar ? |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | maybe gentoo ? |
| 00:46.21 | woodgrain | abrotman, do you use a window manager? |
| 00:46.30 | seblu | juste a little question about debian installation on multiple computer |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | sure .. but i don't use the filemanager |
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| 00:46.43 | abrotman | woodgrain: http://thunar.xfce.org/screenshots.html |
| 00:46.47 | woodgrain | abrotman, which win manager? |
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| 00:46.57 | seblu | someone have some skills in this domain |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | sawfish |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | seblu: just ask |
| 00:47.35 | eldowan | abrotman: Sorry if I missed your reply, but the line for the sudoers file, how would I place it? at the end of the desired users line? |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | woodgrain: currently i'm using gnome with sawfish |
| 00:47.50 | seblu | ok. i've five computer, which are automaticaly installed by FAI. |
| 00:47.52 | abrotman | eldowan: i think so .. seems logical ? |
| 00:48.03 | woodgrain | abrotman, yeah, got that. looking at sawfish |
| 00:48.15 | abrotman | eldowan: you missed it because you and stoned were too busy messing with the bot on OFTC :) |
| 00:48.32 | seblu | but i would juste have a master computer and some other slave, which are a copy of the master |
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| 00:48.52 | seblu | because configuration of FAI spend many time |
| 00:49.02 | Zigara | hey, i just installed etch and it seems to be missing killall :o! |
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| 00:49.31 | abrotman | !find bin/killall etch |
| 00:49.32 | seblu | so, do you know an another soft which do that (except mondo) ? |
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| 00:49.44 | Zigara | !find bin/killall etch |
| 00:49.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/killall' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit-utils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | seblu: i think there's systemimager |
| 00:49.51 | eldowan | abrotman: well.... the bot is fun! |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | great |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/killall' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit-utils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 00:49.57 | Zigara | oo ok |
| 00:50.04 | abrotman | Zigara: it's in the psmisc package |
| 00:50.09 | Zigara | thanks |
| 00:50.17 | justin | seblu: d-i preseeding is much easier than fai |
| 00:50.44 | seblu | d-i is a paket ? |
| 00:50.49 | seblu | i'm looking for |
| 00:51.02 | justin | !+d-i |
| 00:51.03 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 00:51.30 | dpkg | somebody said preseed was a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 00:54.53 | yungknight | i just read that apache gets its umask from the user that started it. i rebooted, restarted, stopped/started as root and it still shows up as www-data. i'm not getting this |
| 00:54.57 | hellop | how can I go back and look at the recommended packages apt-get shows, after I have installed it? |
| 00:55.09 | eldowan | yungknight: look at the file /etc/init.d/apache |
| 00:55.33 | eldowan | yungknight: it switches from root to the www-data user after apache is started. it should be there, or in the httpd.conf file. |
| 00:55.33 | hellop | probably an apt-cache paramater |
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| 00:56.39 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
| 00:56.39 | hellop | abrotman, that doesnt do it |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 00:56.55 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... reportbug says that reportbug is out of date, but apt-get doesn't seem to think so... |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure it damn well does |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | it shows Suggests |
| 00:57.49 | hellop | abrotman, well when I did apt-get install icewm, I see like 10 recommended, and 8 suggested. When I do apt-cache show, I now see only 1 thing for suggests |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | hellop: apt-cache show epiphany-browser | grep -i recommend |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | hellop: those cascade .. if something that icewm depends on has recommends .. ti will show those also |
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| 00:58.49 | woodgrain | anyone knowwhat causes nautilus to lock up when opening certain dirs? |
| 00:58.50 | hellop | hmm.. it sounds good in theory |
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| 00:59.11 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know of any good network tools like nagios or ntop? |
| 00:59.17 | hellop | but, It's not showing me what it showed before... but thanks tho |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | woodgrain: what's in the dirs ? |
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| 00:59.41 | philips | Are there any Debian repositories have x.org 7.2 in them? |
| 00:59.52 | woodgrain | abrotman, alex, it's just like straight up files. Nothing big or anything. |
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| 01:00.02 | seblu | thank you guys ! You have give me a good direction ! |
| 01:00.03 | seblu | by |
| 01:00.04 | multi_io | haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmaYH1F6kho |
| 01:00.09 | seblu | bye :) |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | hellop: maybe with grep-dctrl .. but i'm not fluent with it |
| 01:00.11 | twobitsp2ite | hmm... when I purge and reinstall reportbug, it says "INFO: using old version '/usr/bin/python2.3'"... maybe that's why it's being held back? |
| 01:00.11 | woodgrain | abrotman, mostly text-based files w/ weird extensions for my science apps. |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | multi_io: please don't |
| 01:00.23 | abrotman | woodgrain: is there a lot of them ? |
| 01:00.30 | twobitsp2ite | I have python2.4 installed, and I tried upgrading that, but it doesn't want to |
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| 01:00.38 | woodgrain | abrotman, in the neighborhood of 20 files. max 30 |
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| 01:00.48 | abrotman | woodgrain: always the same? |
| 01:00.48 | woodgrain | couple sub-dirs |
| 01:00.54 | hellop | abrotman, for instance apt-get install icewm, recommend icemc, the menu editor. however, you don't see that with the show command, even tho icemc is not installed |
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| 01:01.06 | woodgrain | abrotman, only Certain directories, but predictably those dirs. |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | hellop: etch ? |
| 01:01.16 | hellop | abrotman, yes |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | woodgrain: try a strace .. ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:01.20 | yungknight | eldowan: i did not find it anywhere. where could i change the umask value for www-data then? |
| 01:01.51 | scruffy | can someone enlighten me as to why this produces no output? sudo tethereal -Nn dst port 80 and src host 196.168.1.1 | /bin/grep 'HTTP GET' | awk '{print $4}' |
| 01:01.53 | woodgrain | abrotman, ahh, that's where the gnome irc is (duh!). thanks a bagillion. |
| 01:02.22 | scruffy | (upon visiting any site) |
| 01:02.37 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: are you sure there are 4 words on that line? "HTTP GET <url>" is possible, which would mean that $4 is empty |
| 01:02.40 | twobitsp2ite | try $3 |
| 01:02.43 | woodgrain | abrotman, strace? |
| 01:02.48 | twobitsp2ite | !strace |
| 01:02.49 | dpkg | well, strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 01:02.51 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: yeah positive.. tried 1 through 6 |
| 01:02.55 | twobitsp2ite | hmm |
| 01:03.11 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: tried directing stderr to stdout as well (2>&1) |
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| 01:03.34 | abrotman | hellop: then one of the deps for icewm must be recommending icemc |
| 01:03.46 | woodgrain | abrotman, thanks for the strace pointer. I'm looking into it. looks handy! |
| 01:03.52 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: if I remove the awk part, I get output.. |
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| 01:04.15 | eldowan | yungknight: in apache2 it is in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 01:04.21 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: and you see lines that should qualify the grep? |
| 01:04.32 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: yep! |
| 01:05.00 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: if I remove the grep and leave the awk, $4 prints |
| 01:05.03 | hellop | abrotman, yeah, I wish I could see the original apt-get output, because it recommended some automatic mouse setup tools, and I'm having probs with my serial mouse. |
| 01:05.23 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: that is, the value of $4 |
| 01:05.42 | eldowan | yungknight: if all else fails, grep your entire /etc/ directory recursively for the string www-data |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | hellop: notice that icewm depends on icewm-common and icewm-common recommends menu .. and so on and so forth |
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| 01:06.30 | abrotman | hellop: of course .. i could be wrong :) |
| 01:06.48 | hellop | abrotman, ok so I can possibly figure it out, thanks. there must be some command to type in to get that info back tho.. |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | hellop: not that i've seen ... that i can recall |
| 01:07.11 | woodgrain | abrotman, strace nautilus directoryname --> boatload of "gettimeofday". Normal? |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | woodgrain: probably |
| 01:07.22 | woodgrain | hmm. good |
| 01:07.23 | hellop | abrotman, yeah icewm-common had some of the packages |
| 01:07.33 | hellop | under suggests |
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| 01:09.19 | woodgrain | strace: "futex(0x8182b64, FUTEX_WAIT, 1, NULL" (last line, no command line). |
| 01:09.27 | woodgrain | abrotman, ^ |
| 01:10.01 | niles | hi are there any C programers in here? |
| 01:10.16 | hellop | si |
| 01:10.17 | niles | apt-get install libnet1 does not provide the .h files |
| 01:10.24 | niles | in /usr/include |
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| 01:10.44 | amphi | niles: install the -dev package |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman_ | god .. that took forever |
| 01:11.39 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: heh... yeah, doesn't work for me either..... very odd |
| 01:11.43 | niles | oh ok |
| 01:11.45 | niles | thanx amphi |
| 01:11.51 | niles | amphi: have you ever used libnet ? |
| 01:12.11 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: it's something grep is doing to the output, but I can't figure out what it is. |
| 01:12.14 | niles | amphi: the official site for the manual seems to be down. do you know any where else ? |
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| 01:12.15 | amphi | niles: you're welcome - debian splits out headers and such into -dev packages generally, FYI |
| 01:12.23 | amphi | niles: no |
| 01:12.27 | niles | ahh i see |
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| 01:12.59 | twobitsp2ite | when I cat | grep "HTTP GET" and paste the packet trace it works fine... |
| 01:13.06 | hellop | any idea why I don't have a dpkg-reconfigure? How do I install that? |
| 01:13.23 | nvz | heh |
| 01:13.32 | nvz | hellop: type su first |
| 01:13.59 | twobitsp2ite | hellop: yeah, it/s in /usr/sbin/ |
| 01:14.32 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: yeah that works.. wonder why that is. I suppose tethereal is writing to stderr? |
| 01:14.41 | hellop | nvz doh |
| 01:15.35 | nvz | cant reconfigure without escalating privlages |
| 01:15.43 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: no... it's writing to stdout |
| 01:15.45 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: I guess I was too impatient earlier.. using 2>&1 after the tethereal string works in the place of cat. |
| 01:15.50 | niles | amphi: it seems that i got the headers. would you happen to know why it didnt provide the man pages? |
| 01:15.55 | niles | or is that irrelevent |
| 01:16.09 | twobitsp2ite | it does? |
| 01:16.15 | woodgrain | abrotman, strace gives: "futex(0x8182b64, FUTEX_WAIT, 5, NULL" |
| 01:16.18 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: to see what i mean, try tethereal -Nn dst port 80 and src host 196.268.1.1 2>&1 | grep 'HTTP GET' | awk '{print $4}' |
| 01:16.23 | abrotman__ | woodgrain: and then waht ? |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman__ | woodgrain: you should see a lot of those |
| 01:16.38 | woodgrain | abrotman, never gets back to cmd line since it's locked up. |
| 01:16.44 | hellop | oooo etch detects my mini-itx via video card now |
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| 01:17.45 | amphi | niles: use dpkg -L <package_name> to see what files a package installed |
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| 01:18.10 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: ok... doesn't work for me, in fact, for some reason that command doesn't work for me |
| 01:18.21 | amphi | niles: also apropos libnet perhaps |
| 01:18.27 | eldowon | hellop: which board are you using? |
| 01:18.31 | eldowon | hellop: Mobo |
| 01:18.34 | amphi | niles: also /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE_NAME |
| 01:18.36 | eldowon | yungknight: any luck? |
| 01:18.44 | hellop | eldowon, Matsonic CLE266 |
| 01:18.51 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: what the hell.. now it doesn't work for me either. what kind of voodoo is this? |
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| 01:19.24 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: heh... dunno... sorry |
| 01:20.06 | scruffy | twobitsp2ite: :) try again but make sure the IP is right |
| 01:20.12 | twobitsp2ite | so yeah... anyone have any idea why reportbug claims the reportbug (filing a bug on itself) is out of date? but apt-get seems to think it is up to date |
| 01:20.52 | twobitsp2ite | scruffy: nope |
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| 01:23.28 | twobitsp2ite | apt-cache shows the latest version of reportbug being 3.31 but reportbug claims that 3.33 is available |
| 01:23.38 | twobitsp2ite | I just did an update |
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| 01:24.20 | twobitsp2ite | ohh the irony |
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| 01:25.31 | Guerin | !qotd47 |
| 01:25.32 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
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| 01:26.41 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 01:26.41 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 01:27.13 | twobitsp2ite | Guerin: wow... reportbug has a _lot_ of bugs :P |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | i wonder if that python GUI frontend thingie ever made it in |
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| 01:28.41 | PingFloyd | reportbug sounds like a hypocrite |
| 01:28.44 | rahul | reportbug is its own regression test |
| 01:28.53 | twobitsp2ite | indeed |
| 01:29.00 | twobitsp2ite | (on both counts) |
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| 01:36.17 | bcstv | why does the network manager not show window shares? |
| 01:36.20 | woodgrain | abrotman, tracked the problem of my Nautilus not opening dirs. to directories with 91 extra _invisible_ files. |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | woodgrain: says ? .. #gnome ? |
| 01:36.45 | woodgrain | ls -a -l -R shows "total 104" but there's only like 13 files there. |
| 01:37.14 | woodgrain | abrotman, is there an ls cmd that'll show files that ls -a -l -R won't? |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | ls -a should show them |
| 01:38.21 | woodgrain | abrotman, ever get a diff. # than expected from ls -a |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | woodgrain: no! |
| 01:38.57 | woodgrain | abrotman, peeps over on #gnome are getting bogus file counts too. |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | woodgrain: they all run gentoo! |
| 01:39.17 | woodgrain | the new dark age has beset us. ls doesn't even work anymore. |
| 01:39.32 | stoned | gnome doesn't work for me |
| 01:39.41 | stoned | I like KDE |
| 01:39.51 | stoned | or XFCE |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | you're also stoned ... |
| 01:39.56 | stoned | anything but Gnome |
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| 01:40.24 | woodgrain | abrotman, I run debian and ls -a shows 104 files. only 13 in the directory -- is my ls stoned? |
| 01:40.38 | stoned | ha. |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | woodgrain: paste the results |
| 01:41.29 | woodgrain | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2706/ |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | woodgrain: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 01:42.01 | woodgrain | abrotman, debian! |
| 01:42.06 | stoned | prove it |
| 01:42.10 | woodgrain | only running their pastebin |
| 01:42.20 | stoned | !paster woodgrain |
| 01:42.31 | dpkg | woodgrain: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 01:42.38 | stoned | only thing worse than gnome is ubuntu |
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| 01:42.58 | stoned | gah, why does it exist! it should stop existing. *grumble* |
| 01:43.00 | woodgrain | stoned, thx. I used to do ubuntu but there are no build tools in that thing. |
| 01:43.08 | woodgrain | it's like a car w/o a cig lighter. |
| 01:43.09 | Guerin | woodgrain: yes, there are. |
| 01:43.13 | stoned | lol |
| 01:43.17 | stoned | i know I hate that too |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | woodgrain: 104 isn't how many files |
| 01:43.26 | Guerin | woodgrain: how do you think they build all the binaries? On debian? |
| 01:43.27 | stoned | I don't smoke but I still want my lighter |
| 01:44.20 | woodgrain | abrotman, 104 means what then? confused. |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | woodgrain: just try ls -al |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | ignore the total thing |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | or just -a |
| 01:45.50 | woodgrain | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5163 |
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| 01:46.13 | abrotman | woodgrain: what are the ~ files ? |
| 01:46.44 | woodgrain | abrotman, those are like little backups my machine makes for me. |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | try getting rid of those |
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| 01:47.15 | woodgrain | abrotman, what's total 104. |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | it's not important |
| 01:47.52 | woodgrain | abrotman, he he he. it must mean something right? |
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| 01:59.21 | olskolirc | did we just have a net split? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | no |
| 02:00.20 | dvs | they're watching George Bush!!! ;-) |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | get *off* |
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| 02:00.37 | olskolirc | mmm nope |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | dvs: you should be too! |
| 02:00.45 | dvs | ha |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | dvs: the real crime is that he made House not be on! |
| 02:00.55 | olskolirc | do you guys play xbox online? |
| 02:00.57 | dvs | we're not part of the States... yet |
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| 02:01.03 | dvs | abrotman: it is here |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | dvs: repeat ? |
| 02:01.24 | dvs | abrotman: I dunno. I don't watch it that often. |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:01.40 | dvs | abrotman: I'm watching The Unit right now |
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| 02:01.45 | abrotman | weirdo |
| 02:01.49 | dvs | he |
| 02:01.51 | dvs | heh |
| 02:01.51 | tonyb2006 | !dovecot |
| 02:01.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 02:02.02 | dvs | it's a repeat though |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | weird ... |
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| 02:04.39 | dvs | House in a casino? That's weird. |
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| 02:05.49 | cwheeler | hi |
| 02:06.55 | woodgrain | abrotman, wth is "total 104" after an ls -al? I'm desperate! |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | woodgrain: it has nohting to do with your problem |
| 02:08.18 | woodgrain | abrotman, I trust you!! But still, what is it? |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | it's the size |
| 02:10.12 | liable | directory size |
| 02:10.21 | woodgrain | thanks gang. |
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| 02:10.34 | abrotman | woodgrain: now .. it has nothing do with your problem :) |
| 02:10.51 | woodgrain | abrotman, I told you I believed you, I just want to learn. |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | woodgrain: ls -lh if you want to see a different 'total' |
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| 02:11.02 | woodgrain | Now I realize how I created these buggy files. |
| 02:11.27 | eldowan | I am having an issue where on an A---B---C setup with B as my firewall / gateway, transfers from A->C are degraded to about 30% or less in throughput. any other transfers work correctly. A represents any internet site on the www, and C is any user within my network. C->A transfers, including scp and others, work at full speed, only downloads to the client machines are affected. I think it might be iptables related, but I'm not sure. I've asked in #iptables, |
| 02:11.28 | eldowan | but it seems pretty dead there rightnow. |
| 02:11.30 | woodgrain | they were copied with a mouse in naut. time to find a new file mgr. |
| 02:12.05 | minerale | what exactly is the difference between % command < namedPipe and % command <> namedPipe |
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| 02:13.18 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.27 | woodgrain | !dpkg george bush |
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| 02:14.41 | liable | goodshit: man etc-aliases |
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| 02:15.00 | asg | woodgrain: you didn't frame it in the form of a question |
| 02:15.30 | goodshit | i see thx |
| 02:15.36 | woodgrain | asg I noticed. it was kinda obnoxious so I'll wait to do it again for when I know what I'm doing. |
| 02:15.44 | goodshit | liable no entry |
| 02:16.24 | liable | goodshit: its from exim, so if you dont have it, check your mta docs |
| 02:17.05 | liable | goodshit: what exactly are you trying anyway? just adding users to groups? |
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| 02:17.30 | bucky | hello everybody :) |
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| 02:18.29 | conron | when will Bush speech be? |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | it's now |
| 02:18.56 | liable | who is bush? |
| 02:18.56 | conron | no, not on cbsnews yet. |
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| 02:19.12 | abrotman | moron |
| 02:19.44 | magyar | hi, everytime a reboot my computer I get a message from artsmessage with following "Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)" |
| 02:19.52 | bucky | maybe they preempted it in Singapore |
| 02:20.03 | soup__ | how do you change your window manager and desktop manager in testing? |
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| 02:20.08 | abrotman | bucky: they're not allowed to use words like 'the' and 'but' |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | soup__: .xinitrc is one way |
| 02:20.35 | asg | soup__: or .xsession |
| 02:20.41 | liable | soup__: which do you want to change? window or desktop? |
| 02:20.49 | liable | oh, both.. |
| 02:20.50 | soup__ | abrotman: I changed that. but kdm is still running gnome-panel and metacity |
| 02:21.01 | liable | soup__: dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 02:21.22 | soup__ | ok one sec |
| 02:21.32 | eldowan | soup__: kdm should givbe you the option to choose gnome/kde/metacity/... at login |
| 02:21.43 | karsten | Wonderful image of OFL: http://www.kqed.org/images/common/radio/bush-lg.jpg |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | might be /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 02:23.16 | magyar | debian sid; grub is not working with vga=795 seince i changed my video card from x800 to x1950 |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | so switch back |
| 02:23.53 | magyar | dont have the card anylonger |
| 02:24.10 | magyar | kernel bug? |
| 02:24.18 | dvs | magyar: which kernel? |
| 02:24.28 | dvs | magyar: it's probably too new for the kernel. |
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| 02:24.31 | magyar | 2.6.18 |
| 02:24.36 | liable | what, its refusing to boot because of the vga? |
| 02:24.38 | magyar | uh |
| 02:24.58 | Roey | hello all; how can I fix this deps problem? http://rafb.net/p/tZnhD962.html |
| 02:24.58 | magyar | nope, framebuffer craps out, only recognises 791 |
| 02:25.07 | Roey | hey magyar, karsten |
| 02:25.10 | magyar | liable: ^ |
| 02:25.34 | liable | magyar: try vga=ask |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | Roey: error seems pretty obvious |
| 02:25.42 | litage | how can i determine what the difference is between the en_US and en_AU locales? |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | Roey: apt-cache policy libfile-next-perl |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | Roey: that package isn't even in debian |
| 02:26.44 | Roey | http://rafb.net/p/qiUbVL58.html |
| 02:26.47 | Roey | abrotman: right. |
| 02:26.53 | Roey | abrotman: I mean, that at least I know. |
| 02:27.12 | Roey | so is the problem with Slim Devices' CVS slimserver or what? |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | Roey: yeah |
| 02:27.30 | Roey | fark, ok. |
| 02:27.41 | Roey | how about the tex one? |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 02:29.15 | Roey | one sec, lemme pull that paste up |
| 02:31.32 | Roey | http://rafb.net/p/ngJqOe29.html |
| 02:31.34 | Roey | abrotman: that |
| 02:32.00 | abrotman | Roey: you asked me about that before and i told you i didn't know much about tex before .. try the BTS |
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| 02:32.09 | Roey | I tried! |
| 02:32.14 | Roey | oh, that you don' know about tex, ok. |
| 02:32.19 | Roey | maybe someone else knows then? |
| 02:32.34 | nweaver917 | Anyone know the line to add to sshd_conf to disallow password logins (require a key to login via SSH) |
| 02:32.47 | litage | is ``usleep'' available in Debian? i've searched for it with ``dpkg -S usleep'' and through packages.debian.org but can't find it |
| 02:33.10 | cwheeler | isn't usleep() a libc function? |
| 02:33.25 | litage | cwheeler: no idea.. |
| 02:33.29 | cwheeler | man usleep |
| 02:33.51 | litage | cwheeler: i don't have a manpage for usleep |
| 02:33.56 | cwheeler | I do |
| 02:33.57 | litage | (running etch) |
| 02:34.11 | eldowan | nweaver917: I believe it might be something like interactivelogin or something like that. |
| 02:34.13 | cwheeler | debian doesn't |
| 02:34.23 | cwheeler | must have to install manpages |
| 02:34.38 | litage | cwheeler: do you have a usleep program? |
| 02:34.47 | litage | cwheeler: or just the manpage? |
| 02:35.08 | cwheeler | it's not a program it's a function in libc |
| 02:35.53 | cwheeler | my slackware system has a usleep manpage |
| 02:36.21 | cwheeler | probably in manpages-dev |
| 02:36.25 | cwheeler | i'm installing that now |
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| 02:37.45 | lanchow | anyone know how to use xmms2 lastfm plugin ? |
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| 02:38.27 | cwheeler | now i have a usleep manpage |
| 02:39.15 | cwheeler | where do i find docs on a usb joystick? |
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| 02:39.35 | dvs | cwheeler: you need the right kernel module first. |
| 02:39.47 | liable | nweaver917: its quite annoying, it usually takes me about 5 attempts to get it right. its not the options you think it is. |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | !joystick |
| 02:40.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, joystick is This is an input device first found on arcade game machines, then home game systems, and finally on computers. It consists of any stick-like object that can be moved in four or more directions. Usually, there's a button in the vicinity of the joystick. Joysticks come in many shapes and sizes, but lately they have been replaced by cheap button pads in home gaming systems. |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman | dpkg: that was useless |
| 02:41.08 | dvs | heh |
| 02:41.13 | cwheeler | indeed |
| 02:41.21 | cwheeler | i'm looking at the kernel config again |
| 02:41.34 | dvs | cwheeler: what USB joystick do you have? |
| 02:41.41 | liable | theres quite a few drivers in there |
| 02:42.14 | cwheeler | logitech extreme pro 3d |
| 02:42.20 | dvs | cwheeler: try adi |
| 02:42.21 | cwheeler | seemed like a good bet |
| 02:42.38 | liable | i have one of them (i think) |
| 02:42.41 | cwheeler | adi uses gameport so that confused me |
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| 02:43.26 | hellop | I don't personall use Python, do I need it installed? |
| 02:43.46 | asg | hellop: on Debian? no, unless some other package you are using requires it. |
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| 02:45.05 | abrotman | hellop: many things use it htough |
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| 02:47.10 | niru | hello all |
| 02:47.40 | niru | When I am connecting to my server from web browser |
| 02:47.49 | hellop | my 900mb disk is filling up |
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| 02:47.56 | abrotman | hellop: apt-get clean |
| 02:48.03 | niru | I am getting error as |
| 02:48.06 | niru | ERROR |
| 02:48.06 | niru | The requested URL could not be retrieved |
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| 02:48.13 | hellop | abrotman ok |
| 02:48.13 | niru | what I need to do |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | hellop: or try deborphan |
| 02:48.39 | niru | abrotman:do you know the solution |
| 02:48.44 | hellop | I went thru aptitude and was able to clean out a whopping 17MEGS! |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | niru: does it work by IP ? |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | hellop: every bit helps! |
| 02:49.17 | niru | abrotman:I gave IP and it shows the above error |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | is your HTTP server running ? |
| 02:49.38 | niru | abrotman:DO I need to restart any service |
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| 02:49.44 | abrotman | http maybe .. |
| 02:49.52 | niru | abrotman:yes its running |
| 02:50.02 | niru | abrotman:how to test that |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | can you get to it from the server ? |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | like .. lynx http://localhost/ |
| 02:50.34 | niru | abrotman:So you mean I need to restart apache |
| 02:50.43 | limpio | hi all, i just got a box with a Winfast motherboard (760GXK8MC) with a sempron 2600+ processor , am i supposed to install an amd64 type of linux-image kernel? |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | no |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | unless it's amd64 .. which it doesn't sound it |
| 02:50.59 | dvs | limpio: 686 is fine |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | wait .. k8 ? |
| 02:51.35 | fas3r | sorry for the question i know it's not the good chan but in php it's not possible to add two $var in a foreach for example : foreach ( $var1$var2 as ..... where $var1$var2 need to do just one $var .. :s ? |
| 02:51.37 | niru | abrotman:when I gave apt-get update |
| 02:51.56 | limpio | abrotman, 760GXK8MC- is that a K8?? |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | fas3r: huh ? |
| 02:52.01 | abrotman | limpio: you tell me |
| 02:52.04 | niru | abrotman:Ign http://203.129.255.181 tarang Release.gpg |
| 02:52.04 | niru | Ign http://203.129.255.181 tarang Release |
| 02:52.04 | niru | Ign http://203.129.255.181 tarang/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 02:52.04 | niru | Ign http://203.129.255.181 tarang/main Packages |
| 02:52.04 | niru | Err http://203.129.255.181 tarang/main Packages |
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| 02:52.21 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 02:52.48 | niru | abrotman:What I need to do? |
| 02:52.51 | fas3r | abrotman, ? |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | niru: i don't see an error |
| 02:53.07 | limpio | abrotman, is this 64 questions? if you know and want to help a yes or no will suffice, i know nothing about hardware |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | fas3r: yourquestion doens't make sense .. did you try asking ##php ? |
| 02:53.44 | niru | abrotman:I have pasted it above |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | limpio: go the manuf website and check .. otherwise .. use i386 which will work fine |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | niru: no .. you got kicked fo rpasting |
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| 02:53.52 | fas3r | abrotman, yes but nobody want to help me .. |
| 02:53.57 | liable | wtf is tarang? |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | fas3r: i don't thikn it is .. but ask ##php again in a bit |
| 02:54.26 | fas3r | abrotman, hum oki ... |
| 02:54.39 | fas3r | abrotman, thank |
| 02:54.49 | niru | abrotman:http://pastebin.ca/326454 |
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| 02:55.34 | niru | abrotman:did you get that |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | niru: try wget |
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| 02:57.34 | eitan | Hello all. |
| 02:57.51 | niru | abrotman I gave wget URL |
| 02:57.58 | abrotman | and ? |
| 02:58.09 | niru | abrotman :Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable |
| 02:58.09 | niru | 08:29:22 ERROR 503: Service Unavailable. |
| 02:58.34 | eitan | I think I damaged my intel motherboard with a incomplete bios update. Does anyone know what IRC server/channel might be a good place to look for help to fix this problem? |
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| 03:00.16 | liable | eitan: start in #hardware i guess |
| 03:00.18 | mcquaid | i had a need to setup grub dual booting with a windows install as well. linux loads fine, but gave me an error when trying to load windows |
| 03:00.39 | mcquaid | menu.1st looks right. i noticed in gparted the boot flag isn't set on the windows partition, is that necessary? |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | google "debian grub boot windows" |
| 03:00.47 | liable | eitan: good luck with that one though. it doesnt have one of those backup eeprom things? |
| 03:00.52 | eitan | liable: ok I'm trying hardware now. |
| 03:01.05 | mcquaid | yes i've been doing that, just couldn't find an answer on the boot flag part |
| 03:01.14 | eitan | liable: I don't know. It doesn't want to seem to boot off the floppy anymore. I was hoping to do another update off the floppy. |
| 03:01.27 | niru | abrotman ? |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | mcquaid: i don't think you need it |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | niru: then it's not working |
| 03:01.54 | mcquaid | i didn't think so either, i'm fairly familar with grub, everything looks fine |
| 03:02.07 | niru | abrotman may be I need to restart some services |
| 03:02.13 | mcquaid | the only other thing i can think of is this windows partition is in a logical container |
| 03:02.22 | mcquaid | not sure if that causes an issue for grub |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | niru: maybe .. or try it from the server itself |
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| 03:04.31 | niru | abrotman http://pastebin.ca/326461 |
| 03:05.21 | stoned | !seen pickcoder |
| 03:05.21 | dpkg | pickcoder <n=madmax@adsl-068-209-178-012.sip.ilm.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 7h 12m 38s ago, saying: 'for P2/P3'. |
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| 03:06.17 | niru | abrotman got anything |
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| 03:06.50 | abrotman | niru: from the server ? |
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| 03:07.02 | niru | abrotman from my system |
| 03:07.10 | niru | abrotman from server it works fine |
| 03:07.19 | eitan | liable: I am not getting any help on #hardware |
| 03:07.33 | abrotman | niru: firewal ? |
| 03:07.44 | niru | abrotman no firewall |
| 03:08.29 | liable | eitan: give em some time |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | niru: my browser says it's not reachable |
| 03:09.18 | liable | eitan: i dont really know what you can do, if you have screwed your bios update, you are in for some heartache fixing it, or a new mobo probably |
| 03:09.50 | eldowan | stoned: I thought you went back to sleep |
| 03:10.16 | niru | abrotman so what I need to do |
| 03:10.33 | niru | abrotman till yesterday night it worked fine |
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| 03:11.18 | Mahdi | Hi, can anybody helpme with smth plz? Where can I place a script so it runs before networking is started? |
| 03:11.53 | RhastaW | you need to look at your init scripts |
| 03:11.55 | liable | Mahdi: you could run it as a pre-up in your interfaces file |
| 03:11.59 | RhastaW | specifically the links in rc.d |
| 03:12.08 | liable | depending what it is. |
| 03:12.49 | Mahdi | liable: like "pre-up /etc/init.d/script start" ? |
| 03:13.29 | liable | Mahdi: if you are going to put it in init.d, run it from init, but yeah, you can run it as a pre-up |
| 03:13.42 | niru | abrotman I got it |
| 03:13.51 | niru | abrotman thank you for helping |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | niru: what was broken ? |
| 03:14.05 | liable | Mahdi: man interfaces, and read the ifup-down docs |
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| 03:14.20 | stoned | no |
| 03:14.21 | mcquaid | if windows isn't the first partition, is it necessary to fool it in grub into thinking it's hd0,0 as you have to with win98? |
| 03:14.22 | niru | abrotman the network cable was loose :) |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | niru: cute |
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| 03:14.28 | stoned | I just flashed my bios to the latest version |
| 03:14.30 | stoned | guess what |
| 03:14.32 | saobi | hi |
| 03:14.35 | Mahdi | liable: well, the case is that i have to get 2 modules loaded and 1 "echo smth > /proc/smth" before networking is stared, in this order |
| 03:14.36 | saobi | have you guys pre-ordered windows vista yet?> |
| 03:14.42 | eldowan | stoned: I bet your board died :D |
| 03:14.45 | niru | abrotman sorry for that |
| 03:14.54 | stoned | the HDD I thought had a bad logicboard or bad firmware |
| 03:14.54 | stoned | it works |
| 03:14.58 | stoned | PERFECTLY! |
| 03:15.00 | stoned | heh |
| 03:15.08 | stoned | I didn't lose my data or my music |
| 03:15.08 | dvs | drats! |
| 03:15.10 | eldowan | stoned: Well, well, well. You didn't kill it. :D |
| 03:15.11 | stoned | but this teaches me to backup |
| 03:15.20 | stoned | eldowan, I flashed it with a boot image |
| 03:15.29 | eldowan | stoned: it will be a lesson that is with you until you smoke again... |
| 03:15.35 | liable | Mahdi: if you want it to start from init, man update-rc.d |
| 03:15.38 | stoned | a nice pentagram type 3d graphic says Evil Inside |
| 03:15.39 | stoned | lol |
| 03:15.43 | stoned | nice boot graphic |
| 03:16.04 | stoned | eldowan, why would you say that man |
| 03:16.32 | niru | any one as any idea on how to resize my hard disk partition |
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| 03:16.49 | stoned | BabyBee, hi |
| 03:17.09 | niru | I want to keep a option for rersizing the hard disk partition in my installable cd |
| 03:17.16 | niru | how to do that |
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| 03:17.38 | Mahdi | liable: do u know if all modules in /etc/modules r necessarily loaded before networking is started? |
| 03:18.19 | eldowan | stoned: Why would I say what? |
| 03:18.26 | hellop | I ran apt-get install mythtv which put 50MB of stuff. How do I remove it all now? I tried aptitude purge mythtv, which said: "70kb will be freed" |
| 03:18.27 | liable | Mahdi: i believe yes |
| 03:18.43 | vulture | hellop: right - because apt-get doesn't do orphan tracking |
| 03:18.55 | hellop | vulture, I thought aptitude did |
| 03:19.10 | eldowan | hellop: you have to install via aptitude for it to work |
| 03:19.14 | vulture | Aptitudedoes. But you didn't install it with aptitude so it can't track which packages are "auto" and which aren't. |
| 03:19.17 | hellop | eldowan, crap |
| 03:19.19 | hellop | ok |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | hellop: i told you to look at deborphan |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | hellop: try using aptitude for auto tracking |
| 03:19.40 | vulture | deborphan or.. some other app I can't remember, could help you find orphans you've already created |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | debfoster ? |
| 03:20.16 | hellop | abrotman, k thanks, I guess aptitude can be used in place of apt-get with the same arguments. |
| 03:20.21 | eldowan | abrotman: vulture: wasn't there a file that tracks what packages were installed on a given date? couldn't he use that to retrace his steps barring all else? |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:20.23 | abrotman | mostly |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:22.31 | hellop | or I could just reinstall, thats the funner way |
| 03:22.41 | hellop | too late, reinstall initiated |
| 03:22.48 | vulture | abrotman: Debfoster, yes that's the other thing I was thinking of (but one of the two (debfoster/deborphan - debfoster most likely) ujst doest aptitude-like orphan tracking, not retrospective orphan discovery.. If I recall correctly) |
| 03:23.11 | vulture | hellop: Yeah, basically I just install fresh, skip tasksel/dselect, and immediately start installing whatever I need with aptitude only. |
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| 03:23.47 | hellop | mental note, use aptitude in place of apt-get |
| 03:25.35 | hellop | In expert install you get "The following kernel modules were detected as matching.." With about 30 modules selected to load. How do I figure out which of those I need for my slim system? |
| 03:25.51 | hellop | This is during detect the CDROM phase |
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| 03:31.32 | bts | does anyone have experience with debian as a mail server? if so, what's your favourite mail server- postfix, qmail? etc. |
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| 03:32.15 | Jaggz1 | omg, I hit + on aptitude's "Upgradable packages section" |
| 03:32.25 | Jaggz1 | and then hit g.. and it began to download a ton of stuff |
| 03:32.37 | GeorgeS069 | postfix for me but,I'm lazy |
| 03:32.46 | Jaggz1 | I considered the mistake I made for a while.. as libc6-dev and "locales" and other large packages were downloaded |
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| 03:32.57 | Jaggz1 | then decided a ^C was in order |
| 03:33.01 | Jaggz1 | but now what do I do? |
| 03:33.12 | Jaggz1 | should I upgrade everything? |
| 03:33.31 | Dewi | Jaggz1: what distro are you using? |
| 03:33.37 | bts | jaggz- you might want to flush your cache and hope things don't break. but i've only been using for 8 months, so. haha |
| 03:33.55 | Dewi | bts: that shouldn't be necessary |
| 03:34.09 | Jaggz1 | Dewi, ubuntu -- if it changes things I can go ask there? |
| 03:34.10 | Dewi | Jaggz1: nothing should be broken if it was just downloading |
| 03:34.14 | bts | GeorgeS069: thank you! is it much of a hassle with maildir? |
| 03:34.15 | Jaggz1 | it was just downloading |
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| 03:34.50 | Dewi | Jaggz1: well I'm not sure on whether you ought to upgrade or not... but presumably upgrades would include security updates which can be a good idea |
| 03:35.08 | Dewi | Jaggz1: but whether or not universe includes lots of new functionality updates as well I just don't know |
| 03:35.10 | GeorgeS069 | bts: it wasn't for me...I followd a "How-to" that included dovecot and MaiaMailguard+spamassassin |
| 03:35.10 | Kuko | Anyone havin issues with kernel.orgs debian mirror being oddly slow? |
| 03:35.19 | Jaggz1 | I've been using postfix for years and years var/spool/mail for inboxes, and users with ~/Mail/ for their own mail |
| 03:35.27 | Jaggz1 | of course, now with Imap I have that all messed up |
| 03:35.32 | Dewi | Jaggz1: normal procedure to do a full upgrade is to hit capital U |
| 03:35.49 | Jaggz1 | too convenient to write mail out to folders in my own homedir.. *shrug*.. but it's now just me and my wife and no other users of our system :) |
| 03:36.00 | nvz | what's the irssi command to make a split-view? |
| 03:36.33 | bts | GeorgeS069: you wouldn't have a link handy, would you? if not, i'll just google. |
| 03:36.42 | Dewi | nvz: /window new split ? |
| 03:36.49 | dendrite | nvz: /window show # ? |
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| 03:36.57 | Jaggz1 | Dewi.. gotcha.. I really appreciate the advice. I often upgrade and upgrade.. then as I get my system settled down I reduce on what I upgrade so as to maintain stability and not have to reconfigure -- sacrificing update features and security improvements as well |
| 03:36.57 | nvz | ah window new.. |
| 03:37.04 | GeorgeS069 | bts: google for debian maia mailguard |
| 03:37.04 | Jaggz1 | hoping that behind a firewall is sufficient for most of those apps |
| 03:37.05 | _kaiser_ | hello, I am a long time debian-user, but I have a MacBook, and I would like to be able to compile the Linux kernel in Mac Os X, but I am missing header files, such as elf.h, any way I can compile the Linux kernel in Mac Os X? |
| 03:37.07 | Dewi | nvz: dunno how to do it with existing |
| 03:37.35 | dendrite | Dewi: /window show # is for existing. |
| 03:37.36 | Jaggz1 | dendrite! |
| 03:37.40 | bts | _kaiser_: are you compiling on another machine? |
| 03:37.55 | dendrite | Jaggz1: !!! |
| 03:38.06 | Miesco | Is WMI the same as WMII? |
| 03:38.06 | _kaiser_ | bts: I want to compile in Mac Os X for another machine that does run Linux, it is an i386. |
| 03:38.12 | dendrite | Jaggz1: Maybe yes, maybe no. |
| 03:38.16 | Dewi | Jaggz1: the nice thing about debian stable as opposed to testing is that updates only ever contain important fixes or security fixes |
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| 03:38.28 | Jaggz1 | it's up to the quantum interference of all things at this point, dendrite! :) |
| 03:38.36 | _kaiser_ | bts: my Macbook is faster than the other machine running Linux, so I want to use my MacBook for compiling. |
| 03:38.52 | dendrite | Jaggz1: I hope you find entanglement. =) |
| 03:38.52 | GeorgeS069 | bts: start looking here http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/ |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | ask #macosx ? |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | or #gcc |
| 03:39.07 | Dewi | Jaggz1: but I don't know how ubuntu works. Security updates are a good thing, but the eternal upgrade merry-go-round is annoying |
| 03:39.09 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: good suggestion, I'll try there too. |
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| 03:39.34 | Jaggz1 | Dewi, well.. I'm 31 and I have a wife and I'm a C coder and I'm overwhelmed with all my duties in life.. so if I can get something done on the computer .. I hate for it to be sysadmin stuff nowadays .. :/ |
| 03:39.40 | Jaggz1 | unless it's necessary |
| 03:39.50 | bts | Thanks GeorgeS, you've been a huge help. i was having a bit of a "wtf to do?" dilemma. i couldn't decide between servers. :) |
| 03:39.56 | Jaggz1 | been doing linux for almost 13 years .. maybe just 12. |
| 03:40.01 | Dewi | Jaggz1: bah... tell me about it, I'm a developer stuck doing sysadmin all day |
| 03:40.14 | Jaggz1 | and now she's calling for me.. afk |
| 03:40.16 | Dewi | and other tedious crap |
| 03:40.58 | GeorgeS069 | bts: those How-To's should give you a fairly stable/secure mail server with pop3,pop3s,imap and imaps support...throw in squirrelmail and you have a pretty complete solution |
| 03:41.03 | bts | _kaiser_: throw a knoppix disk in and download the source kernel, headers, etc., copy to proper place on i386? |
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| 03:41.22 | bts | beautiful. you're my new best friend. (in a non-creepy way.) |
| 03:41.31 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 03:41.35 | _kaiser_ | bts: yeah, I guess I could try that... thanks. |
| 03:42.09 | bts | i'm just perplexed as to why you can't download the headers. |
| 03:42.14 | bts | i thought they were in deb repo |
| 03:42.57 | GeorgeS069 | maybe you are looking for "kernel headers" and should be searching for "linux headers" |
| 03:43.34 | bts | yeah, load up aptitude, hit the "/" and just search for "headers" |
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| 03:44.13 | tehjeef | aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 03:44.35 | tehjeef | someone help! network-manager is being retarded :( |
| 03:44.36 | bts | nope, nevermind. just checked their online stable package listing, it didn't find anything with "headers"- nothing that you're looking for, anyways |
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| 03:45.07 | GeorgeS069 | bts: if you are going to setup a mail server be sure to test it often during the setup to make sure it is NOT an open relay |
| 03:45.08 | tehjeef | anyone have some debianesque links for configuring network-manager? all i can find are ubuntu resources |
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| 03:45.45 | bts | best way to test that? sry, total n00b to mail servers. :) have decent amount of apache under my belt, but i just started tackling a mail server this week |
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| 03:45.58 | bts | tehjeef- with or without ndiswrapper? |
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| 03:46.53 | GeorgeS069 | just google for open relay test lots of sites will test the server for you |
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| 03:47.27 | bts | okie, thank you! |
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| 03:47.35 | GeorgeS069 | anytime |
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| 03:57.11 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 03:57.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:58.13 | eldowan | I love that little gem! |
| 04:01.05 | krazykit | !kick the channel |
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| 04:04.48 | jeef | ra ra ra, anyone know any guides for getting networkmanager working with debian? :/ i've tried it but it gives a bunch of gtk-esque looking warnings that shout about dbus |
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| 04:05.03 | jeef | i know that's vague but i don't have the errors in front of me |
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| 04:05.12 | justin | jeef: do you have dbus working? |
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| 04:05.27 | jeef | just looking for some reference material on it since the official site doesn't list any real documentation |
| 04:05.30 | jeef | meh, dbus works fine |
| 04:05.35 | jeef | and NetworkManager is running |
| 04:05.42 | jeef | but, when i launch nm-applet it flips out |
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| 04:05.57 | jeef | weird errors, the latest error mentioned like.. org.freedesktop.getVPNConnection or something |
| 04:06.02 | jeef | something odd, i can't figure it out really |
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| 04:06.09 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 04:06.13 | Pupeno | Where's that old nice script that used iptables -save and -restore that one would put in /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 04:06.42 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 04:07.07 | Pupeno | thanks. |
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| 04:08.40 | gonza157 | holaaa |
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| 04:09.29 | Rusty1 | do X login managers log results of login attempts anywhere (gdm, xdm)? |
| 04:09.52 | gonza157 | alguien habla español? |
| 04:09.57 | krazykit | !es |
| 04:09.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:11.26 | jeef | anyone in here use network-manager? :/ |
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| 04:11.41 | markybob | !ask |
| 04:11.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:11.45 | gonza157 | alguien habla español???????????????????? |
| 04:11.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:11.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:11.58 | markybob | gonza157, damnit, man, #debian-es |
| 04:12.22 | markybob | abrotman, already been done for him. he doesnt like to read in any language, it seems :) |
| 04:12.31 | abrotman | soon it will be op time! |
| 04:12.44 | jeef | are there _any_ guides for setting up networkmanager on debian? (happy, markbob?) |
| 04:12.45 | gonza157 | hello every body |
| 04:12.46 | hark | there should be an essmite here |
| 04:12.47 | jeef | +y |
| 04:13.04 | markybob | jeef, what do you use? gnome? |
| 04:13.14 | hark | jeef: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 04:13.43 | markybob | jeef, apt-get install network-manager-gnome and then simply run nm-applet. |
| 04:13.50 | jeef | gnome, yeah, it's actually not my machine, it's a friend's -- i know next to nil about wifi in nix, but i've managed to get his wifi card working fine with ndiswrapper + some broadcom drivers, but i can't get it configured for his wireless network |
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| 04:14.14 | dondelelcaro | jeef: you're better off using /etc/network/interfaces, not networkmanager. |
| 04:14.17 | jeef | markybob: when i do that it f's up, throwing warnings about org.freedesktop.getVPNConnection or some crap |
| 04:14.24 | hark | make sure that it is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:14.33 | jeef | dondelelcaro: is /etc/network/interfaces going to handle WPA? |
| 04:14.39 | jeef | somehow i doubt it.. |
| 04:15.05 | [Cadet] | jeef: It usually just works for me although users need to be in netdev group |
| 04:15.06 | jeef | i guess my option is to try to figure out wpa_supplicant? and use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:15.36 | jeef | does debian actually set "netdev" up for you, or.. did you do that by editing the /etc/dbus-1/<...> file for it? |
| 04:15.50 | [Cadet] | jeef: vigr |
| 04:16.00 | jeef | vigr? |
| 04:16.08 | dondelelcaro | jeef: wpa_supplicant does it; ifupdown and the wireless extensions know nothing about WPA. |
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| 04:16.31 | jeef | yeah, and i know nothing about wpa_supplicant :) |
| 04:16.34 | jeef | any guides for t? |
| 04:16.47 | jeef | it* |
| 04:16.49 | krazykit | tons. |
| 04:17.03 | krazykit | and they're all easily found with the power of google. |
| 04:17.04 | [Cadet] | jeef: you could also just do adduser username netdev |
| 04:17.20 | jeef | hopefully.. i'll give it a shot cadet |
| 04:17.26 | jeef | if not, off to search for wpa |
| 04:17.31 | minerale | I'm looking for memory for my notebook, does brand name matter ? I mean if the specs match would there be any difference in the internal circuits? |
| 04:17.31 | jeef | supplicant |
| 04:17.38 | jeef | thanks guys, at any rate |
| 04:17.41 | hark | jeef: well, with nm, i had to set the policy of netdev to allow in the dbus config |
| 04:17.44 | justin | wp_supplicant is easy with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:18.05 | justin | you just put lines under the interface starting with 'wpa-' and it passes them to the supplicant... |
| 04:18.18 | justin | as in, 'wpa-ssid foo', 'wpa-passphrase hdklahfasdfhasdlkfahsfds' |
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| 04:19.17 | [Cadet] | For a desktop/server I always use /etc/network/interfaces but with something like a laptop I don't think you can beat network manager |
| 04:19.35 | krazykit | meh. |
| 04:19.41 | krazykit | i've had nothing but problems with network manager |
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| 04:19.55 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 04:19.56 | justin | depends, networkmanager is overkill if you rarely switch between networks |
| 04:20.00 | krazykit | and by that i mean i could never get the damn think to work reliably. |
| 04:20.15 | bbelt16ag | what lines do i have to add to switch from a usb mouse to a ps/2 mouse with out a hitch? |
| 04:20.18 | earthling | ok.. apache2 giving me fits with php... every *.php file all i get is a dialog box wanting to open it with bluefish or whatever because it doesn't know what to do with the php file type... the modules are installed and i'm going nuts.. any help?? |
| 04:20.31 | justin | bbelt16ag: probably nothing |
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| 04:20.35 | krazykit | bbelt16ag, nothing |
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| 04:20.52 | justin | earthling: run a2enmod and enable php |
| 04:20.58 | bbelt16ag | i am using imps/2 for the driver is that used for ps/2 too |
| 04:21.09 | GeorgeS069 | earthling: clear your browser cache...sometimes that screws up things when setting up .php |
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| 04:22.04 | bbelt16ag | earthling: i had the same problem my mysql databse built in webbrowser with php support sits untouched for months.. |
| 04:22.20 | earthling | justin... it says it's already enabled.. (GeorgeS069, been there done that.. :-) |
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| 04:22.23 | krazykit | bbelt16ag, note the name im*ps/2* |
| 04:22.31 | krazykit | it'll work ;-) |
| 04:22.33 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 04:22.45 | justin | earthling: run HEAD on your webserver, it have php in the version? |
| 04:22.50 | bbelt16ag | well i will try it i et i get a console instead of kdm ? 20$ a good offer? |
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| 04:24.24 | earthling | justin: like 'head mozilla'?? |
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| 04:24.56 | justin | earthling: no, use the HEAD command if you have it, otherwise telnet to the web server |
| 04:25.33 | peterrooney | so what does 'rc-buggy' (mentioned frequently in DWN) mean? http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities has no hints. |
| 04:25.45 | justin | peterrooney: context? |
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| 04:25.57 | earthling | HEAD mozilla said -> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.9 |
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| 04:28.26 | peterrooney | justin: examplefrom Debian Weekly News, mentioning a package removed from debian: Zinc-compiler -- Compiler of Zinc, a functional logic programming language, [282]Bug#397687: Request of maintainer, abandoned upstream, RC-buggy. |
| 04:28.26 | earthling | i don't know why but i feel it's in one of the config files but not sure why i feel that way... might be because I had a similar problem once with mysql and that was the problem.. |
| 04:28.26 | justin | peterrooney: ah, probably because it had a lot of rc-bugs |
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| 04:31.21 | earthling | brb, dogs have to go outside (i don't need to make this night more miserable with a pile of dog crap on the den floor..) |
| 04:31.28 | Zigara | hey, when i do apt-get install mysql-server, it installs mysql5, is there a way i can make it get mysql4? |
| 04:31.51 | peterrooney | justin: thanks, that kinda makes sense (though i had to look up rc bug). shouldn't it be defined SOMEWHERE on debian.org? |
| 04:32.23 | justin | peterrooney: it probably is :) |
| 04:32.30 | dondelelcaro | Zigara: there are mysql-server-4.1 packages in s.d.n and stable. |
| 04:32.41 | Zigara | s.d.n? |
| 04:32.50 | dondelelcaro | !sdn |
| 04:32.50 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 04:32.58 | Zigara | ah, ok thanks. |
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| 04:38.16 | Bac9 | which FS crypto package would you recommend and preferably why? I am thinking along the lines of a portab hdd |
| 04:38.36 | markybob | Bac9, http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encryption/dmcrypt/ |
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| 04:40.08 | Zigara | hm, i tryed to do apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 but it still wants to install 5.0 too.. |
| 04:40.34 | markybob | Zigara, remove mysql-server first ? |
| 04:40.40 | Zigara | its not installed. |
| 04:41.06 | Bac9 | markybob: how does that compare to cryptmount? |
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| 04:41.22 | justin | Bac9: you want cryptsetup |
| 04:41.39 | justin | and for removable drives, probably use the luks stuff |
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| 04:42.01 | Bac9 | justin: "luks"? is that the stuff that was superseded by fuse? |
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| 04:42.07 | justin | no |
| 04:42.18 | markybob | Bac9, google. but justin is right...which is what the link i sent you shows you how to do |
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| 04:42.37 | Zigara | i think its kinda silly it wants to install both D: |
| 04:43.01 | Bac9 | markybob: yes, I am readin the link, hence the question how does it compare with cryptmount? (someone else recomeded this) |
| 04:43.39 | Bac9 | markybob: also from that page dm-crypt doesn't work on 2.4 |
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| 04:44.22 | markybob | Bac9, cryptmount is just a frontend for both cryptoloop and dm-crypt, |
| 04:44.22 | markybob | which I wouldn't use, because it reveals some information about the |
| 04:44.22 | markybob | cipher used. Normally you would just use cryptsetup from the command line, if you work with dm-crypt. |
| 04:44.26 | markybob | sorry |
| 04:45.24 | Bac9 | markybob: am I right to understand that dm-crypt isn't 2.4 compatible? |
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| 04:46.00 | markybob | Bac9, that's right |
| 04:46.21 | Bac9 | markybob: what choices are there for 2.4? just cryptoloop? |
| 04:46.54 | markybob | Bac9, afaik, that would be your best bet under 2.4, yeah |
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| 04:47.10 | markybob | Bac9, there are alternatives, such as truecrypt |
| 04:47.34 | Bac9 | markybob: doesn't truecrypt require a proprietary binary? |
| 04:48.26 | Bac9 | markybob: or maybe I am thinking of another one |
| 04:48.36 | markybob | Bac9, not that i've heard? i've not used it |
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| 04:49.01 | markybob | Bac9, neat thing about truecrypt is that it runs on win, too. so if you need to open it in multiple os's, that might be your best bet |
| 04:49.46 | Bac9 | markybob: pardon the silly question, but can a cryptoloop managed device in 2.4 be mounted using device-mapper in 2.6? |
| 04:50.13 | justin | there are opensource drivers for reading luks encrypted drives in windows |
| 04:50.32 | Bac9 | markybob: but does truecrypt require a binary in Linux or can I use existing linux tools to mount it? |
| 04:50.32 | markybob | justin, neat. didnt know that |
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| 04:50.45 | justin | markybob: they are linked off the luks page |
| 04:51.14 | markybob | Bac9, you need to download it http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php |
| 04:52.22 | markybob | Bac9, and yes. more info on cryptoloop compatibility here http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
| 04:52.30 | Bac9 | justin, markybob: if I can find a crypt FS option that's readable in both win32, Linxu2.4 and Linux2.6 that'd be the optimal solution |
| 04:52.54 | justin | win32 and 2.6 should be easy enough.. people still use 2.4 ? :) |
| 04:53.00 | Zigara | so uh, how do you clean up atp-get? like.. i went to atp-get gcc and it errors with mysql package error missing things |
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| 04:53.19 | justin | Zigara: depends what the error is |
| 04:53.37 | Zigara | mysql-server-4.1: Depends: mysql-common-4.1 (>= 4.1.11a-4sarge7) |
| 04:53.40 | Zigara | and a few more lines |
| 04:53.47 | Zigara | of the mysql deps missing |
| 04:53.50 | Bac9 | justin: I still 2.4 for server, I don't trust 2.6 enough for that |
| 04:54.28 | Bac9 | markybob: thanx for all the links |
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| 04:56.39 | Zigara | justin, so can you help me? |
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| 04:59.05 | markybob | Zigara, try "apt-get -f install" or dpkg -i that mysql-common package that it wanted |
| 04:59.14 | Zigara | ok thanks. |
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| 05:02.50 | mikeslaptop | How would i go about setting up an email server on debian, heres my setup, i have a development computer set up on my LAN, with a connection to the internet, what i want is to send email from that computer using a SMTP from another computer on my LAN, i just want to send email out, dont need to recieve any |
| 05:03.33 | Guerin | mikeslaptop: why do you need to send it from that computer? Why not just send it from the one you're working at? |
| 05:03.54 | mikeslaptop | i could but i kind of wanted to do it from a web interface such as plone, so i could do it from anywhere |
| 05:04.10 | Guerin | eh? |
| 05:04.35 | Guerin | so ... you have a smtpd someplace receiving mail. Why not use that to send? |
| 05:04.50 | Guerin | you can set a relay MTA on any box which will send mail through another host |
| 05:05.07 | mikeslaptop | yea i tried doing that not sure if its working though |
| 05:05.13 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:05.23 | mikeslaptop | it wasnt working with plone, but i cant figure out if its my EXIM config, or my plone config thats not working |
| 05:05.31 | Guerin | so instead of trying to be sure, you want to set something else up? |
| 05:07.41 | mikeslaptop | well thats what i was going for, but now i realized thats not the way to go |
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| 05:14.31 | stoned | I downloaded the businesscard image and it jut won't detect my cdrom device |
| 05:14.40 | mikeslaptop | so if i want to use another server to send my mail, i would do the option mail sent by smarthost; no local mail in the exim config options correct? |
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| 05:14.55 | stoned | why is that? basic cd drivers modules dont' get bundled with that image? |
| 05:15.11 | stoned | the 120mb netinst iso has never given me trouble. just wondering whats up |
| 05:15.11 | Guerin | mikeslaptop: yes |
| 05:15.23 | IRCMonkey | stoned same kernel shouldn't matter |
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| 05:15.32 | googledude | anyone familiar with sendmail on debian, i'm looking for someone to bid me on what it would cost to have you write a script that does the following: takes an email message and sends it to a txt file of email addresses as individual emails...anyone be interested in giving me a bid? |
| 05:15.36 | stoned | its not a matter of should or shouldn't |
| 05:15.40 | stoned | it doesn't. |
| 05:16.18 | Guerin | googledude: do not solicit in here. |
| 05:16.29 | googledude | I'm not soliciting |
| 05:16.29 | stoned | one would figure a simple enough task like detecting a cdrom drive would work |
| 05:16.34 | stoned | thats not much to expect is it? |
| 05:16.38 | Guerin | googledude: yes, you quite explicitly are. |
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| 05:17.49 | googledude | I'm seeing if anyone would be interested in doing that? |
| 05:18.11 | Guerin | googledude: read my lips: this is not craigslist or rentacoder. |
| 05:18.17 | Guerin | go to one of those places. |
| 05:18.24 | stoned | Craig Christ |
| 05:18.34 | stoned | lol @ Stephen Lynch |
| 05:18.40 | googledude | lol |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | david - sure. steven? nopw. |
| 05:19.11 | Guerin | e |
| 05:19.44 | stoned | Guerin, very good comedian |
| 05:19.50 | Guerin | stoned: no such thing. |
| 05:19.55 | stoned | he jams on accoustic guitar and sings funny songs |
| 05:20.04 | stoned | Guerin, you're getting too old |
| 05:20.11 | stoned | grumpy |
| 05:20.15 | Guerin | stoned: i seem to recall being about the same age as you. |
| 05:20.19 | stoned | set in your ways |
| 05:20.22 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:20.36 | Guerin | because I don't like stand-up comedy i'm old, grumpy and set in my ways? |
| 05:20.38 | stoned | what do you mean there is no such thing as a good comedian |
| 05:20.42 | stoned | thats a stupid thing to say |
| 05:20.57 | Guerin | stoned: dict joke |
| 05:21.06 | Guerin | stoned: there ARE good comedians, obviously |
| 05:21.10 | stoned | your likes and dislikes have no bearing ... joke |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | yes |
| 05:21.17 | stoned | I never knwo when you're jokin |
| 05:21.20 | stoned | thats the trouble |
| 05:21.20 | stoned | oye |
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| 05:22.29 | stoned | well just burned another netinst cd |
| 05:22.40 | stoned | lets hope this one can do a simple enough task as detect a damn cdrom drive |
| 05:22.47 | stoned | debian's been pissin me off lately |
| 05:22.53 | stoned | *gone* |
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| 05:26.28 | mikeslaptop | cho "my test" | mail -s "test message" jasonb@test.com |
| 05:26.30 | sha1sum | hello. swedish server keeps timing out on netinst cd-image download for i386... anybody have a good mirror for the southeast US? |
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| 05:26.34 | mikeslaptop | echo* |
| 05:26.39 | sha1sum | (stable) |
| 05:26.43 | mikeslaptop | so that should send a messege with exim to jasonb@test.com right? |
| 05:26.48 | mikeslaptop | i wonder why my system isnt working |
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| 05:27.53 | stoned | does anyone have any idea why the etch netinst image won't detect my cdrom drive |
| 05:28.03 | stoned | I can't fucking install debian and its pissing me off |
| 05:28.11 | stoned | I need my fix goddamit, I need debian |
| 05:28.30 | h3xis | will the sarge netinst work |
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| 05:29.34 | stoned | i've gone to the console and checked out a whatever I could |
| 05:29.42 | Guerin | stoned: boot in expert and load some modules manually |
| 05:29.47 | Guerin | stoned: only the ones you need |
| 05:29.49 | stoned | Guerin, I did |
| 05:29.54 | Guerin | stoned: sata or ide? |
| 05:29.55 | stoned | no dice |
| 05:29.57 | stoned | ide |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:30.05 | stoned | i know |
| 05:30.10 | stoned | thats why I'm pissed off |
| 05:30.20 | stoned | last month I tried etch installer and had some other shit go on in gui mode |
| 05:30.32 | CompWizrd | stoned: jmb366 or whatever the heck it is, controller? |
| 05:30.43 | stoned | haven't been able to install debian in 3 months |
| 05:31.04 | stoned | CompWizrd, no, its a regular ide controller, gigabyte 965p s3 motherboard |
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| 05:31.23 | stoned | the only IDE/pata controller where a dvdrom and cdrw is plugged in |
| 05:31.37 | Guerin | stoned: and it boots off cd but won't install? |
| 05:31.40 | stoned | yup |
| 05:31.47 | Guerin | fucked |
| 05:31.49 | stoned | i know |
| 05:31.54 | Guerin | file an installation report |
| 05:32.06 | stoned | I need to get high first |
| 05:32.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:32.12 | stoned | I'm too pissed off right now |
| 05:32.20 | stoned | I've having to use Xming and Xvnc |
| 05:32.27 | stoned | god I just wante debian back on myb ox |
| 05:32.29 | stoned | goddamit! |
| 05:32.31 | stoned | fuck! |
| 05:33.00 | mfrisch | stoned: what is it a desktop |
| 05:33.12 | stoned | huh? |
| 05:33.20 | stoned | look man |
| 05:33.22 | stoned | I have pet peeves ok |
| 05:33.30 | stoned | no wait, I have major psychotic fucking hatreds |
| 05:33.31 | mfrisch | what are you trying to build |
| 05:33.41 | stoned | right now I've got a few ntfs partitions full of media |
| 05:33.48 | stoned | and I don't feel comfortable with that |
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| 05:34.02 | CompWizrd | yeah, that's using a jmicron controller |
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| 05:34.21 | stoned | I redid my disks, so that I can install debian, then use ntfsresize, shrink my stuff, move everything over to ext3fs and then wipe off my ntfs partitions |
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| 05:34.43 | stoned | thats what I'm looking to do |
| 05:34.51 | mfrisch | ok |
| 05:34.58 | CompWizrd | it's not an intel controller onboard that board, and older kernels can't pick it up properly |
| 05:35.13 | stoned | hmm |
| 05:35.27 | RhastaW | cant you do expert2.6 then ? |
| 05:35.29 | stoned | I should've looked, afaicr it seemed to only be jmicron for sata ports |
| 05:35.43 | stoned | i didn't think it would be for pata as well |
| 05:36.09 | stoned | well yeah |
| 05:36.19 | mfrisch | same bridge |
| 05:36.24 | stoned | brb |
| 05:36.49 | CompWizrd | trying to find the .jp site that has images that work for that |
| 05:37.06 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 05:37.06 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.18] if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 05:37.14 | Guerin | that one ↑? |
| 05:37.26 | CompWizrd | yeah, kmuto |
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| 05:39.08 | CompWizrd | the 1115 iso he has should work on 32bit, and i've used the 1115 on 64bit |
| 05:39.37 | stoned | my idiot neighbour |
| 05:39.38 | stoned | anyway |
| 05:39.43 | stoned | I'm not using sarge |
| 05:40.27 | stoned | i think i'm on a sid install that hasn't been updated in like god knows how long |
| 05:40.30 | stoned | like 8 months maybe |
| 05:40.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:40.39 | Guerin | it very likely won't work |
| 05:40.47 | Guerin | because package lists are hard-coded into it |
| 05:40.48 | stoned | well thats my laptop |
| 05:40.57 | Guerin | oh, not the installer? |
| 05:41.07 | stoned | I guess I'll stick with windows on my desktop for now |
| 05:41.15 | stoned | nvz, I'm pissed off |
| 05:41.18 | stoned | nvz, how are yo? |
| 05:41.28 | nvz | stoned: better than being pissed on |
| 05:41.38 | stoned | true |
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| 05:41.50 | stoned | this motherboard just took the piss outta me man |
| 05:41.57 | stoned | like literally extracted the piss |
| 05:42.01 | stoned | its painful |
| 05:42.07 | Guerin | what did it do with it then? |
| 05:42.12 | nvz | stoned: I am trying to find something with a single placable button or keycombo that I can use to paste things into webforms.. I just installed the pastepallet extension but requires use of a big fat toolbar I dont like |
| 05:42.12 | bucky | don't stick your weiner in there |
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| 05:42.19 | mfrisch | stoned: research twice buy once |
| 05:42.24 | Guerin | careful with that wang, eugene |
| 05:42.28 | stoned | nvz, I use google toolbar |
| 05:42.29 | stoned | official |
| 05:42.34 | Guerin | mfrisch: f'real |
| 05:42.38 | Guerin | stoned: eew |
| 05:42.48 | stoned | that has autofill functions |
| 05:42.50 | nvz | stoned: how the hell does goole toolbar help me with that? |
| 05:42.52 | Guerin | stoned: you use spyware from the Gevil Gempire |
| 05:42.58 | stoned | dunno about how it could help you |
| 05:43.02 | Zigara | [00:42] <nvz> stoned: better than being pissed on <- i found that funny. |
| 05:43.47 | stoned | FUCK! |
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| 05:43.51 | stoned | I hate debian :( |
| 05:44.29 | stoned | well not really i'm just pissed i can't install it |
| 05:44.34 | HymnToLife | isn't thins considered trolling ? |
| 05:44.45 | stoned | yes I'm a troll. |
| 05:44.48 | stoned | sue me? |
| 05:44.51 | mfrisch | stoned: usb flash disk install? |
| 05:44.53 | nvz | Zigara: kudos, I never found it funny. My father used to say that shit all teh time when I was mad.. "It's better to be pissed off than pissed on." |
| 05:45.09 | stoned | mfrisch, no |
| 05:45.11 | Guerin | HymnToLife: it would be if we didn't know stoned was just stoned |
| 05:45.19 | stoned | mfrisch, I'm going to use grub for NT |
| 05:45.26 | stoned | and then use grub to boot the netboot images |
| 05:45.34 | stoned | initrd.gz and linux |
| 05:45.46 | stoned | fairly easy, I just wanted the convenience and ease of cd |
| 05:45.56 | stoned | I've been installing debian for like 6 years now :0 |
| 05:46.14 | mfrisch | stoned: so whats not working. maybe it will when its really released. |
| 05:46.26 | stoned | we can only hope |
| 05:46.28 | streuner_ | stoned: How about to read ig again? ;-) |
| 05:46.44 | stoned | ig? |
| 05:46.49 | stoned | streuner_, what? |
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| 05:46.54 | streuner_ | !tell stoned about ig |
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| 05:47.00 | CompWizrd | mfrisch: intel doesn't have a PATA controller on the 965P and 975 chipsets, so most manufacturers use the jmicron jmb366.. which doesn't work with the sarge installer, and apparently not the etch installer |
| 05:47.22 | stoned | streuner_, I would say I've quite literally memorized chapters 3,4,5 |
| 05:47.31 | stoned | the ones I was interested in |
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| 05:48.08 | stoned | I've installed debian with less, just wondering, more than likely my pata drives won't work even after i've installed debian |
| 05:48.17 | stoned | I shoulda gotten a sata dvdrw |
| 05:48.30 | stoned | I'm a tool, I need to find jmicron drivers for linux |
| 05:48.40 | streuner_ | good luck |
| 05:48.48 | stoned | i know |
| 05:49.16 | streuner_ | well, if the controller isn't supported, just connect to something which isn't connected to that |
| 05:49.23 | stoned | fuck it, I'll try and sell this e6300 @ 3.0ghz system as a 3ghz core 2 duo system for like 1400+ hopefully |
| 05:49.34 | CompWizrd | 2.6.19 added support, so finding a etch installer that uses 2.6.19, or backported fixes is what you want to do |
| 05:49.44 | CompWizrd | or the kernel bootflags that let it work, i don't remember offhand what it was though |
| 05:49.47 | stoned | oh really |
| 05:49.51 | streuner_ | d-i has 2.6.18 |
| 05:49.52 | stoned | interesting |
| 05:50.03 | stoned | I just can install using grub and netboot and then update the kernel image |
| 05:50.11 | stoned | then you're saying my pata drives would work |
| 05:50.11 | CompWizrd | the pata cdrom will work once you have a kernel that supports it |
| 05:50.16 | stoned | alright then |
| 05:50.21 | streuner_ | stoned: what kind of error did you get, btw? |
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| 05:50.24 | stoned | i know what to do, but first I must toke up |
| 05:50.27 | CompWizrd | i had the same problem with a e6600 system and an asus p5b board |
| 05:50.38 | stoned | streuner_, "no cdrom could be detected load module from floppy etc." |
| 05:50.47 | stoned | CompWizrd, thanks dude, you're a life saver |
| 05:50.52 | stoned | debian doesn't suck anymore! |
| 05:50.54 | stoned | :D |
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| 05:53.01 | deb_noob | can anyone help me, i've added a bunch of font packages, and one of them changed the way monospace looks, or changed the way the font is used, can anyone help? |
| 05:53.17 | streuner_ | CompWizrd: do you have a URL handy about? |
| 05:53.53 | stoned | streuner_, whats with the _? |
| 05:54.02 | stoned | you're the same streuner but now witha _ |
| 05:54.03 | stoned | ? |
| 05:54.24 | streuner_ | stoned: in .de your ISP usually disconnect you after 24 hours... |
| 05:54.34 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:54.50 | stoned | I know how to say badwords in swedish |
| 05:54.51 | stoned | :D |
| 05:55.17 | stoned | and I like some norwegian music.. is that close enough to danish? |
| 05:55.30 | stoned | arent they all like the same thing pretty much |
| 05:55.52 | stoned | like india/pak. |
| 05:55.54 | stoned | etc. |
| 05:56.08 | streuner | no, that would be the same if you say canadians are the same like americans ;-) |
| 05:56.14 | stoned | oh |
| 05:56.15 | stoned | hmm |
| 05:56.26 | Landrew | thank god people are like people |
| 05:56.35 | stoned | well |
| 05:56.36 | Landrew | regardless of territory |
| 05:56.37 | stoned | people |
| 05:56.39 | stoned | who need people |
| 05:56.42 | stoned | are the luckiest people |
| 05:56.44 | stoned | in the world. |
| 05:56.46 | CompWizrd | somehow or another it'll have to work for etch, as a LOT of motherboards are going to come with the jmicron controllers, and people are going to have trouble |
| 05:56.51 | Landrew | I'll take an organ, I don't care to geocode it, just get me the damn organ |
| 05:56.52 | stoned | --barbara streisand-- |
| 05:56.55 | dewbie | correct |
| 05:57.01 | dewbie | i agree stoned |
| 05:57.15 | Guerin | stoned: go and hit yourself in the face with a skillet |
| 05:57.16 | streuner | CompWizrd: sure, where can you download 2.6.19 installer? |
| 05:57.17 | stoned | dewbie, yo! :) |
| 05:57.23 | stoned | Guerin, I know I'm sorry |
| 05:57.24 | CompWizrd | streuner: heck if i know, i'm looking :) |
| 05:57.28 | stoned | Guerin, I couldn't help it |
| 05:57.34 | Landrew | why would codependency set you better off ? |
| 05:57.37 | dewbie | what up |
| 05:57.38 | Guerin | stoned: FACE! SKILLET! |
| 05:57.45 | Guerin | Landrew: right. |
| 05:57.53 | streuner | CompWizrd: what kind of bullshit are you telling people then? |
| 05:58.03 | bucky | !2.6.19 |
| 05:58.04 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 05:58.17 | stoned | lol |
| 05:58.20 | Landrew | barb and that big mouth- performing arts are overrated |
| 05:58.23 | enouf | plug the drive into the other ATA port |
| 05:58.32 | CompWizrd | enouf: there isn't another ATA port on those boards |
| 05:58.43 | enouf | Sure there are CompWizrd |
| 05:58.45 | CompWizrd | intel doesn't have an ATA port on the 965P chipset |
| 05:58.55 | enouf | Sure tehy do .. with the ICH7 |
| 05:58.55 | CompWizrd | so there's a single jmicron ATA port |
| 05:59.03 | enouf | and hte 975X |
| 05:59.09 | stoned | whoah hold on |
| 05:59.10 | stoned | hold on man |
| 05:59.12 | streuner | what's with USB, is THAT connected to the freakin controller too? |
| 05:59.30 | stoned | p965 chipset does feature that controller no |
| 05:59.33 | stoned | hold on I gotta look this up |
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| 05:59.42 | CompWizrd | streuner: installing sarge isn't a problem, he wants etch |
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| 06:00.13 | streuner | CompWizrd: why isn't sarge a problem and etch is? |
| 06:00.27 | enouf | Storage/RAID Intel ICH7R controller: 1 x UltraDMA 100/66/33 // Jmicron JMB363 controller: 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 |
| 06:00.38 | stoned | actually I ususally just do expert install and modify my sources/kernel to sid |
| 06:00.41 | CompWizrd | beacuse people have backported fixes to sarge installers, the kmuto.jp one, for example.. just have to find where someone has done the same for etch |
| 06:00.41 | stoned | and latest kernel |
| 06:01.02 | Guerin | just install sarge and upgrade |
| 06:01.14 | CompWizrd | Guerin: but ... but.. but that'd be the easy way out! |
| 06:01.21 | stoned | but but |
| 06:01.22 | stoned | ... |
| 06:01.35 | stoned | my way is to use grub for NT and boot netboot images |
| 06:01.44 | stoned | install etch/sid/upgrade kernel |
| 06:01.50 | Guerin | stoned: you lose. |
| 06:01.57 | stoned | why? |
| 06:02.11 | streuner | stoned: you heard what CompWizrd saying, what's so hard to install sarge (kmuto) and upgrade to etch then? |
| 06:02.12 | Guerin | stoned: your way is that of madness. |
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| 06:02.21 | streuner | s/saying/said/ |
| 06:02.29 | stoned | Guerin, well I do need to keep dual boot you know |
| 06:02.34 | Guerin | no |
| 06:02.37 | Guerin | i don't know |
| 06:02.42 | stoned | then find out. |
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| 06:02.46 | Guerin | nope |
| 06:03.01 | stoned | go to bed |
| 06:03.26 | Guerin | why, it's 1903 |
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| 06:04.17 | stoned | I got some good food from El Pollo Chullo |
| 06:04.22 | stoned | The Handsom Chicken |
| 06:04.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:04.30 | stoned | flame broiled chicken |
| 06:04.32 | Guerin | that's a good name for a restaurant |
| 06:04.42 | stoned | homemade rice and beans |
| 06:04.49 | stoned | parsley potatoes with thick sauce |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | i'm making lebanese-ish food tonight |
| 06:04.57 | stoned | and a blue powerade |
| 06:05.21 | stoned | hey check this out man |
| 06:05.26 | lech | hrrmm, is there some major differences in php these days? for some reason when i try to apt-get install php-cli i get the following: Package php5-cli is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:05.47 | lech | err, php5-cli |
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| 06:05.53 | CompWizrd | does passing the all-generic-ide flag work with the etch installer? |
| 06:06.12 | stoned | they guy who owns it told me, he is iranian, pollo and chulo both in farsi mean rice. his resturant was called rice and rice. then some spanish friend of his said, hey, tack on a El in the font, and it becoems El Pollo Chulo, the handsom chicken |
| 06:06.18 | stoned | it was freakin hilarious |
| 06:06.23 | streuner | stoned: you heard what CompWizrd saying, what's so hard to install sarge (kmuto) and upgrade to etch then? |
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| 06:06.32 | stoned | streuner, nothing |
| 06:06.54 | streuner | stoned: so the hell are you saying, you CANNOT install debian? |
| 06:07.02 | stoned | that was a long time ago |
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| 06:07.11 | stoned | I said that before I even talked to CompWizrd |
| 06:07.40 | stoned | it was in context to the cdrom drive |
| 06:07.47 | stoned | its not that I can't install debian |
| 06:08.06 | lech | php5-cli anyone? |
| 06:08.24 | Guerin | lech: people will answer if/when they know |
| 06:08.47 | lech | i just basically want to know what the package not available message clearly means beyond the obvious |
| 06:09.11 | lech | and if there's any way i can see what else may be refering to it |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | it usually means a package has fallen out of the repo or been merged with some other package |
| 06:09.28 | Guerin | using etch? |
| 06:09.42 | lech | nah, i'm running on a headless box with sarge |
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| 06:09.58 | Guerin | lech: sarge doesn't have php5, so that's your problem |
| 06:10.06 | stoned | streuner, what I gather is that 2.6.19 works with that particular ata conroller. If I install debian, all I need is that particular kernel. What does it matter how I install debian, is my question to you |
| 06:10.09 | lech | gah |
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| 06:10.44 | streuner | stoned: i don't know of a 2.6.19 d-i |
| 06:10.51 | stoned | streuner, so? |
| 06:11.10 | Bogus8 | what's the trick to getting X to forward over ssh? |
| 06:11.13 | streuner | stoned: well, i would use kmuto's installer then |
| 06:11.32 | stoned | nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config and enable X11Forwarding |
| 06:11.38 | stoned | isn't there a factoid on this |
| 06:11.44 | Bogus8 | stoned: I'll give that a look |
| 06:11.46 | Guerin | stoned: sshx |
| 06:11.47 | streuner | stoned: making your own installer is not easy.. |
| 06:11.52 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:11.55 | stoned | !sshx |
| 06:11.55 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 06:11.59 | stoned | there you og |
| 06:12.04 | stoned | streuner, I'm not trying to |
| 06:12.30 | dezent | Guerin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=php5&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 06:12.53 | streuner | stoned: well, does this controller do the USB stuff too? |
| 06:12.59 | Guerin | dezent: i don't get it. |
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| 06:13.15 | dezent | Guerin: me neither.. just woke up.. i was reading etch |
| 06:13.27 | Guerin | dezent: i know it's in etch. He's using sarge. |
| 06:13.33 | Guerin | !coffee dezent |
| 06:13.37 | mo1991 | anyone help me with gnome menu's for crossover offcie - cxoffice menu's don't show up - show up in alacarte menu editor but not in the gnome menu or debian menu in gnome |
| 06:13.58 | Guerin | mo1991: this isn't even remotely a debian question. |
| 06:14.09 | mo1991 | Guerin - it is a gnome questions |
| 06:14.17 | mo1991 | plus this same package did work in sarge |
| 06:14.20 | mo1991 | just not in etch |
| 06:14.22 | Guerin | mo1991: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 06:14.28 | mo1991 | true |
| 06:14.36 | Guerin | mo1991: or ask codeweavers for some support, since you paid them |
| 06:14.54 | mo1991 | it is related to the switching of the gnome version from sarge to etch |
| 06:14.57 | dezent | Guerin: =) |
| 06:15.29 | mo1991 | paid - um yes - but there support seems pretty weak |
| 06:15.34 | streuner | Guerin: hehe |
| 06:15.49 | bucky | mo1991: is menu installed? maybe update-menus would fix that |
| 06:16.31 | mo1991 | did that - not sure what's up - weird thing is alacarte shows the menu's - other thing is that I think one time I at least got them to show up in the debian menu - but after reinstalls I can't |
| 06:16.43 | mo1991 | trying to find out how alacarte actually ties into the gnome menu |
| 06:16.51 | bucky | hmm.. dunno |
| 06:16.59 | Bogus8 | stoned: still struggling but trying... I'm in authx... that's what I need to be in right? |
| 06:17.04 | mo1991 | I have always used gnome - and it's biggest drawback always seems to be the crappy menu editing |
| 06:17.18 | Bogus8 | it's enabled in the config... but it did say couldn't find authx |
| 06:18.02 | Bogus8 | Xauth sorry |
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| 06:19.50 | Bogus8 | I know this sounds dumb but it's on a live disc so it's not as dumb as it seems... I can't get root to run an x app... the reg user did it fine |
| 06:20.04 | Bogus8 | or should I just grant my user su perms |
| 06:20.15 | mcquaid | can anyone look at this portion of menu.1st and tell me what i've done wrong. trying to get xp to boot |
| 06:20.22 | mcquaid | http://www.pastebin.ca/326595 |
| 06:20.45 | mcquaid | i've been googling for awhile now on grub but can't find a solution |
| 06:21.31 | nvz | mcquaid: what makes you think there is something wrong with "this portion of menu.1st" |
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| 06:21.58 | mcquaid | nothing. it's looks fine to me, however xp won't boot so something must be wrong |
| 06:22.08 | Landrew | oh no, XP is supposed to do that |
| 06:22.10 | Landrew | jk |
| 06:22.18 | mcquaid | ;) |
| 06:22.31 | Landrew | you need the NT 5.3 patch! - ouch though, no clue on that. |
| 06:22.44 | Landrew | try qna.live.com |
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| 06:22.51 | mcquaid | initially i was getting an error 13, now i'm getting invalid device requested |
| 06:22.54 | Landrew | heh - that was a strange alternative to usenet |
| 06:23.03 | mcquaid | winblows is on hda5 |
| 06:23.12 | Landrew | oh, odds are something didn't die, but maybe something died. |
| 06:23.28 | dendrite | mcquaid: did you try using the swap() call of grub? |
| 06:23.40 | mcquaid | never heard of swap() |
| 06:23.48 | dendrite | mcquaid: Instead of the two maps.. |
| 06:24.00 | dendrite | mcquaid: Not sure if it's different, or just shorthand. |
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| 06:24.16 | mcquaid | could you put an example on pastebin I linked? |
| 06:24.42 | dendrite | mcquaid: I don't have any handy examples, it's been years since I multi-booted. |
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| 06:24.49 | mcquaid | ah ok |
| 06:24.54 | mcquaid | well it's something else to google |
| 06:25.01 | dendrite | mcquaid: But I do remember using it... |
| 06:25.30 | dendrite | mcquaid: Also, you *might* want to hide some partitions from windows. Again, this is dim memories. |
| 06:25.32 | nvz | I like lilo.. its simple and uses real device names |
| 06:25.50 | nvz | grub does all kinds of extra crap, but thats just more to learn |
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| 06:26.33 | bucky | mcquaid: this is what mine looks like http://www.pastebin.ca/326602 |
| 06:26.34 | nvz | its like label=windows \n other=/dev/hda5 in lilo and thats it :P |
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| 06:27.37 | mcquaid | thx bucky but you have xp on 0,0. which i think where my problem lies. you have to fool xp into thinking it's on 0,0 when it might not be, as in my case |
| 06:28.10 | mcquaid | problems arise cause xp insists on being on the first part for some retarded reason |
| 06:28.31 | bucky | mcquaid: just change yours to root (hd0,0) |
| 06:28.39 | bucky | mcquaid: just change yours to root (hd0,4) |
| 06:28.54 | mcquaid | i tried that, i think... tried so many combinations |
| 06:29.06 | mcquaid | from what i've read it's not that simple. you have to map 0,4 to 0,0 |
| 06:29.16 | mcquaid | which i have done but no joy |
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| 06:30.18 | mcquaid | yes, just thinking back, thats what i first tried, 'root (hd0,4)' and then that's when i started searching and found out about this mapping crap |
| 06:30.24 | liable | mcquaid: i think your right, i have read that windows doesnt like being the secondary os on the disk |
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| 06:31.30 | mcquaid | ya from what i've read that's the case. and I've read the solution is mapping but it's not working |
| 06:32.05 | nvz | windows can boot from any position as long as its 1, active partition, and 2, the original installed location.. |
| 06:32.07 | liable | mcquaid: i dont see how mapping grub fools windows though, i think you would need to map it in the windows ini file (or whatever it is) |
| 06:32.32 | nvz | as far as I know.. though I havent really acknowledged windows in like 6 years or so now |
| 06:33.15 | mcquaid | yes i was windows free for 5 years, i've only installed it to troubleshoot some nvidia lockups that i get randomly in opengl apps |
| 06:33.23 | liable | mcquaid: maybe if you map (hd0,4) to (hd0,0) then install it.. |
| 06:34.00 | mcquaid | i installed xp to see if i get them there too and i do, actually xp crashes quicker, so it's more efficient for me in testing solutions with how fast it will go down ;) |
| 06:34.19 | cahoot | the problem not being xp don't like extented partitons? |
| 06:34.40 | mcquaid | yes i was concerned about that too, but then i read xp is fine with extended parts |
| 06:34.48 | mcquaid | and it was booting fine, until i wrote grub back |
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| 06:35.12 | mcquaid | then i thought no biggie i'll just add xp, but... |
| 06:35.13 | cahoot | mcquaid: menu.1st is just an irc typo? |
| 06:35.53 | mcquaid | ah ya |
| 06:36.04 | bucky | run grub-install |
| 06:36.31 | nvz | 13 : "Inconsistent filesystem structure" This error is returned by the filesystem code to denote an internal error caused by the sanity checks of the filesystem structure on disk not matching what it expects. This is usually caused by a corrupt filesystem or bugs in the code handling it in GRUB |
| 06:36.36 | enouf | you need two map entries |
| 06:37.06 | liable | do tell |
| 06:37.11 | mcquaid | yes i have two map entires |
| 06:37.21 | mcquaid | http://www.pastebin.ca/326595 |
| 06:37.58 | mcquaid | yes i was getting 13, now i'm getting 12 'invalid device requested' |
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| 06:38.09 | mcquaid | i just mounted the drive, everything seems fine |
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| 06:38.28 | ircdevil | sup |
| 06:38.31 | mcquaid | i think when i added the map cmds i started getting 12 |
| 06:38.47 | liable | hrm, i havent seen map entries in menu.lst before, i thought thats what the device.map file was for |
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| 06:39.41 | nvz | ircdevil: the US national debt.. its over 8,000,000,000,000 I believe |
| 06:39.52 | nvz | I dont even know how to say a number that big.. its more than 9 hundred trillion.. I rarely deal with numbers that large to know what comes next |
| 06:40.03 | liable | 7 |
| 06:40.04 | mcquaid | device.map is only for mapping other physical drives no? |
| 06:40.11 | mcquaid | i only have 1 drive |
| 06:40.25 | zorke | accidently clear all files in /var/log. now cannot start the mysql server. anyone knows the mysql files in /var/log? |
| 06:40.30 | enouf | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 06:40.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.41 | enouf | like that |
| 06:40.46 | mcquaid | that syntax is for mapping other drives |
| 06:40.53 | enouf | yep |
| 06:40.55 | mcquaid | all parts are on hd0 there is no hd1 |
| 06:41.07 | enouf | then you can't use map |
| 06:41.26 | mcquaid | hmm, i found countless results showing people use that |
| 06:41.29 | enouf | you would chainload using grub |
| 06:41.34 | nvz | zorke: /var/log is a damn log directory. and anything that wont start because its missing a log file and is too stupid to create one shouldnt be on your system in the first place |
| 06:41.35 | enouf | or are you using lilo? |
| 06:41.41 | mcquaid | not saying it's correct, just saying that's what i've found so far |
| 06:41.43 | mcquaid | no |
| 06:41.45 | mcquaid | grub |
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| 06:41.57 | nvz | zorke: if there is any such related problem, its the inability _TO_ create a log file.. not the fact that its missing |
| 06:42.10 | enouf | mcquaid: see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm then |
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| 06:42.26 | zorke | nvz: i didn't put them in, they are automatically there after installation. |
| 06:43.02 | zorke | nvz: one can manually create the file, i did it for apache2 to fix a similar problem. |
| 06:43.11 | liable | zorke: touch the log file and see what it does |
| 06:43.29 | zorke | liable: 'touch'? how? |
| 06:43.33 | liable | zorke: make sure its writeable by mysql |
| 06:43.44 | liable | zorke: touch foo.log |
| 06:43.52 | liable | man touch |
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| 06:43.58 | zorke | liable: its no more there, i have accidentally delelted it. |
| 06:44.21 | liable | zorke: touch creates it |
| 06:44.34 | liable | the man page kinda sucks actually |
| 06:45.02 | zorke | liable: ok, half the problem solved, I still need to know the name of the files. |
| 06:45.04 | nvz | the manpage doesnt suck. |
| 06:45.27 | mcquaid | enouf, i you sure that map is only for mapping other drives and not partitions as well? |
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| 06:45.45 | mcquaid | because how do you deal with windows when it's not on first part, but only 1 drive involved |
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| 06:45.56 | nvz | this is rediculous I refuse to hear such nonsense. log files are created as needed.. if they appeared to be there on install thats because the fucking thing started during post-install configuration and created a log file |
| 06:45.56 | enouf | CompWizrd: all I was trying to say before (when I had to step away for a few) was that the ICH7 and such do indeed support ata/ide/udma controllers ..however there are atleast 5diff versions (of that SB) and many mobos come with some funky assed setups .. so another controller (jmicron) may be the only one that exists .. depending upon mobo/setup |
| 06:46.09 | zorke | ah, i can go back to my backup. |
| 06:46.19 | Guerin | nvz: bluediculous! |
| 06:46.21 | enouf | mcquaid: Yes .. read the grub manual |
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| 06:46.56 | enouf | mcquaid: I told you .. you chainliad windonts |
| 06:47.02 | enouf | er chainload even |
| 06:47.07 | nvz | Guerin: heh, took me a minute to get that one |
| 06:47.09 | liable | he *is* |
| 06:47.43 | nvz | Guerin: but I understand you are pointing out my mispelling |
| 06:47.44 | mcquaid | i have chainloader +1 at the end of the entry, but i admit not knowing much about what that is doing |
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| 06:47.53 | liable | mcquaid: why have you commented the noverify btw? |
| 06:48.04 | enouf | mcquaid: follow the url and read/search .. it's all spelled out |
| 06:48.33 | mcquaid | liable, just moving it's position, |
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| 06:48.38 | enouf | mcquaid: there are atleast 2 full examples of a typical Linux + winpoop setup |
| 06:48.46 | mcquaid | enouf, reading link provided now |
| 06:49.56 | nvz | .. with my red and blue diculous |
| 06:50.14 | enouf | fantabulous I say |
| 06:50.18 | anuragj | mcquaid: if your winxp partition on second harddrive, "map" cmd effectivly making winxp think its on "hd0,0". so it doesn't matter boot normaly |
| 06:50.30 | liable | anuragj: /lastlog |
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| 06:50.52 | enouf | anuragj: afaict , he's only got hd0. |
| 06:51.05 | mcquaid | anuragj, just one drive involved, but xp not on first part. I believe i was incorrectly using map to map parts when it can only work for drives |
| 06:51.26 | anuragj | hold on. |
| 06:52.49 | liable | i will pay for someone to find me a good cheap reliable car, of the sort i want, within a certain time frame (two days) and of the right colour! |
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| 06:53.38 | scx | there is a tool to check the network usage of apps a.k.a. 'top' |
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| 06:53.47 | scx | but I can remember it's name... |
| 06:53.51 | liable | ntop? |
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| 06:54.28 | Guerin | liable: i have one; silver mirage 87, manual |
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| 06:54.37 | anuragj | input this in grub, |
| 06:54.39 | Guerin | liable: you can have it for $1000 + shipping :) |
| 06:54.48 | liable | Guerin: drive it over so i can take a look! |
| 06:55.05 | Guerin | liable: nah, I'm busy. But you can drop by after work tomorrow |
| 06:55.17 | basantashrestha | any idea why my acer 2420 with debian cann't display on the projector? |
| 06:55.32 | anuragj | root (hd0,4), chainloader +1, boot |
| 06:55.49 | Guerin | basantashrestha: does the projector take vga input, or something else? |
| 06:56.11 | basantashrestha | Guerin, its vga input |
| 06:56.15 | mcquaid | ok i'll try that |
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| 06:58.34 | mcquaid | anuragj, so simply this http://www.pastebin.ca/326614 |
| 06:58.59 | scx | liable: any other? |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | basantashrestha: did you reboot the laptop? make sure it's not turned off in bios? |
| 06:59.10 | scx | ntop refuses to run for some reson... |
| 06:59.21 | thinkmassive | good evening, I finally have ndiswrapper installed as a module and I would just like to know how I can make it auto load on boot? |
| 06:59.34 | Guerin | basantashrestha: usually a vga out on a laptop can only work if you boot with something connected to it - if you boot to the LCD, it usually won't kik in until reboot |
| 06:59.53 | Guerin | thinkmassive: put the modulename in /etc/modules |
| 07:00.20 | anuragj | mcquaid: exactly, try booting it |
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| 07:00.32 | mcquaid | ok brb |
| 07:00.38 | anuragj | sorry, Im' in work :) |
| 07:00.41 | thinkmassive | guerin: thank you! |
| 07:00.50 | basantashrestha | Guerin, I think I have tried that |
| 07:01.00 | Guerin | !think |
| 07:01.00 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 07:01.02 | basantashrestha | Guerin, I will try again |
| 07:01.09 | enouf | !fish |
| 07:01.09 | dpkg | hmm... fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 07:01.10 | Guerin | !try |
| 07:01.10 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 07:01.13 | Guerin | :) |
| 07:02.52 | liable | scx: not that i can think of. there is a definate lack in network monitoring tools so it seems |
| 07:02.58 | enouf | !spoon |
| 07:02.58 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 07:03.17 | scx | :) |
| 07:04.04 | liable | i believe i had to reboot to get a projector working on vga, but depending on the card it should be doable without so |
| 07:04.39 | liable | stupid fucking graphics chipset makers are teh suck for linux |
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| 07:05.11 | liable | </end vent> |
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| 07:06.35 | thinkmassive | I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules but dhclient is still trying to use eth0 at boot, is there a way to make wlan0 default? |
| 07:06.35 | mcquaid | progress, no errors now, but it just says starting up... and sits there |
| 07:06.35 | liable | the auto line |
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| 07:08.53 | anuragj | mcquaid: can you ellobrate on that |
| 07:09.23 | mcquaid | not really, i simply get 'starting up...' with nothing else |
| 07:09.35 | mcquaid | it sits there idle til i reboot |
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| 07:09.57 | thinkmassive | liable: thanks |
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| 07:10.47 | thinkmassive | should I remove the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
| 07:10.47 | liable | thinkmassive: np |
| 07:10.53 | liable | no |
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| 07:11.00 | thinkmassive | k, thanks again |
| 07:11.23 | liable | thinkmassive: with that one, if you want to use eth0, just do 'ifup etho' |
| 07:11.24 | anuragj | i assume there's nothing went wrong with grub boot. i belive winxp is troubling you. |
| 07:11.26 | liable | eth0 |
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| 07:12.01 | thinkmassive | cool, thanks |
| 07:12.57 | mcquaid | it was booting fine until i put back grub |
| 07:14.03 | mcquaid | but from my reading, wouldn't i need makeactive/ |
| 07:14.05 | mcquaid | ? |
| 07:14.14 | mcquaid | hmm, i just read makeactive is only for primary parts |
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| 07:14.45 | anuragj | i guess you won't need though, by default its active! |
| 07:14.53 | anuragj | i mean active partition |
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| 07:15.56 | anuragj | but anyway try and booting it again, using "makeactive" |
| 07:16.14 | mcquaid | ok |
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| 07:16.26 | anuragj | brb |
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| 07:19.26 | Bogus8 | So what are the advantages of a more bloated desktop such as KDE or Gnome vs XFCE? |
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| 07:20.15 | liable | only ease of use if you like clickety click |
| 07:20.26 | HymnToLife | Bogus8, KDE is better cause I like it more and I do what I want on my systems :p |
| 07:20.50 | Bogus8 | OH man... well I'm gonna swicth right now!! |
| 07:20.59 | Bogus8 | thanks for that insight |
| 07:21.54 | liable | Bogus8: really, only way to find out is to try it. |
| 07:22.06 | HymnToLife | yep, "better" is relative |
| 07:22.06 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 07:22.13 | liable | theres only advantages to anything if you like what it does |
| 07:22.21 | Bogus8 | I understand that... I've used them both... not extensively |
| 07:22.22 | HymnToLife | so only you can see if a DE suits your tastes |
| 07:22.27 | Bogus8 | but I can't see what those offer over XFCE |
| 07:22.36 | liable | then try them |
| 07:22.59 | liable | Bogus8: its all free, go your hardest and try it all! |
| 07:23.00 | Bogus8 | I mean, you can customize almost every aspect of any of them... |
| 07:23.04 | Bogus8 | so is it all about the look? |
| 07:23.17 | Bogus8 | functionally I'm asking |
| 07:23.28 | rustam_t | Bogus8 so i like Enlightenment... |
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| 07:24.12 | Bogus8 | rustam_t: right, I'm not ruling out the others.. but xfce is a light wm that for the most part looks and acts like the other two "top dogs" |
| 07:24.19 | HymnToLife | one thing I don't like about GNOME/XFCE (and GTK apps in general) is their file selection dialog |
| 07:24.35 | HymnToLife | I find is so unconvenient compared to KDE's |
| 07:24.43 | liable | i hate the which window manager/desktop is fastest/smallest/bestest/worstest/l33test/functional argument |
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| 07:24.56 | HymnToLife | he asket for functional differences |
| 07:25.02 | HymnToLife | I give him some |
| 07:25.06 | HymnToLife | asked* |
| 07:25.12 | Bogus8 | HymnToLife: that is relevant... |
| 07:25.22 | Bogus8 | I'm not asking which is best or any of that |
| 07:25.29 | rustam_t | Bogus8: gm... yes, xfce is light... but it doesn't matter... |
| 07:25.34 | liable | so just bloddy try them |
| 07:25.38 | Bogus8 | I'm just asking is there a functionality I lose by not having gnome or kde |
| 07:26.01 | liable | define 'functionality' |
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| 07:26.47 | Bogus8 | liable: well, coming from windows I might not miss a function at first and think they are all the same and never realize some great secret or potential of one that I just glanced over |
| 07:26.55 | deb_noob | can anyone tell me the name of the type of fonts that konsole uses? |
| 07:27.14 | Bogus8 | functionality... can kde/gnome do something that something like xfce not do |
| 07:27.30 | liable | yes, thats why they are so bloated |
| 07:27.35 | rustam_t | Bogus8 - my wife consider Gnome is more functional and cooll... everyone likes what he likes... and there's no single point of view |
| 07:27.42 | liable | they have configuring stuff for everything |
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| 07:27.49 | deb_noob | what are konsole fonts called? |
| 07:28.13 | Suprano | !tell suprano publickey |
| 07:28.36 | liable | Suprano: /msg dpkg publickey |
| 07:28.37 | Bogus8 | rustam_t: I understand that... it was a question of practical means and not really opinions |
| 07:28.46 | Suprano | ty |
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| 07:29.16 | Bogus8 | like is there a list that has a list of "features" and colums w/ checks for can or can't do type of things |
| 07:29.21 | liable | Suprano: once you have a query open with dpkg, you can just ask by typing 'factoid' |
| 07:29.22 | mcquaid | with make active i get error 12: invalid device requested |
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| 07:29.37 | g333k | hello, I have a file in opt called "z", and file tells me that: "z: POSIX tar archive" |
| 07:29.41 | g333k | what is it? |
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| 07:30.07 | Suprano | liable, it does not respons on 'publickey' |
| 07:30.18 | g333k | and it is really big, 229447680 bytes |
| 07:30.34 | g333k | 218M |
| 07:30.43 | g333k | any clue? |
| 07:30.45 | liable | Suprano: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 07:30.48 | Bogus8 | something might be... requires GTK no yes yes (for kde/gnome/xfce) not even sure if that is even right! |
| 07:30.57 | liable | Suprano: it says so right in the topic :P |
| 07:30.59 | Suprano | yea i just saw the topic, ty ^ |
| 07:31.01 | deb_noob | what are the fonts called that konsole uses? |
| 07:31.32 | liable | deb_noob: whatever your system uses. |
| 07:31.42 | deb_noob | than why are not all fonts listed? |
| 07:31.51 | liable | deb_noob: open up konsole and see what its using.. |
| 07:32.06 | deb_noob | only 10 or so are listed, but i have about 100 fonts installed |
| 07:33.23 | liable | if i wasnt a font tard, i would try and help. but fonts has been something i have never really delved into |
| 07:33.37 | deb_noob | i hate fonts |
| 07:34.08 | liable | hehe |
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| 07:35.07 | liable | g333k: who does it belong to? |
| 07:35.41 | liable | g333k: someone put it there, cause debian doesnt touch /opt |
| 07:35.56 | g333k | liable, root |
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| 07:36.19 | g333k | liable, maybe me and I dont remember.... but a POSIX file? what is it? |
| 07:36.42 | liable | g333k: google posix |
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| 07:37.16 | g333k | How do I know what version of flash plugin I have installed in firefox? |
| 07:37.32 | HymnToLife | g333k, right click on a Flash object |
| 07:37.45 | liable | about:plugins |
| 07:38.22 | HymnToLife | liable, it doesn't tell the version number |
| 07:38.40 | liable | doesnt it? hrm |
| 07:38.40 | enouf | mozilla used to |
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| 07:38.59 | HymnToLife | at leat here it doesn't |
| 07:39.01 | Landrew | it's amazing so much of a big deal has to happen for a simple web browser= IE it fire |
| 07:39.03 | HymnToLife | least* |
| 07:39.04 | liable | mine does |
| 07:39.19 | liable | Shockwave Flash 9.0 d78 |
| 07:39.23 | g333k | I have installed flash 9, because a site ask me for 8 o later, but it is still asking me for a newer flash plugin |
| 07:39.25 | enouf | I dropped that bloat a while back .. and never used plugins anyway .. no flashshit here .. ever |
| 07:39.43 | liable | zealot! |
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| 07:39.53 | enouf | !zealotsmite me |
| 07:40.04 | craigevil | Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 is the newest version of Adobe Flash |
| 07:40.19 | g333k | liable, how did you installed, as user or as root? in what directory? |
| 07:40.20 | liable | i vaguely recall having a conversation about flash with you before |
| 07:40.39 | liable | g333k: with the debian flash thing from non-free |
| 07:41.46 | liable | flashplugin-nonfree or somesuch |
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| 07:41.47 | g333k | liable, what do you mean with "the flash thing"? |
| 07:41.55 | liable | ^^ |
| 07:42.11 | liable | apt-cache search flash |
| 07:42.36 | raf256 | oh god |
| 07:42.38 | g333k | liable, I got it, thanks |
| 07:42.47 | raf256 | kgpg is so much crawling with bugs |
| 07:43.12 | g333k | liable, but I have Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 :( |
| 07:43.29 | liable | g333k: thats bad? |
| 07:43.40 | liable | raf256: so help them fix em |
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| 07:45.42 | liable | Guerin: good to see you guys can at least beat the poms in cricket |
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| 07:48.13 | enouf | what the f is kgpg |
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| 07:49.33 | incorrect | is it possible to build i386 debs on an amd64? |
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| 07:56.39 | rahul | incorrect: yes |
| 07:56.53 | rahul | it's possible to build ARM debs on a m68k |
| 07:57.03 | incorrect | rahul, i must be missing a package |
| 07:57.10 | incorrect | i install dpkg-cross |
| 07:57.25 | rahul | and the gcc cross compiler |
| 07:57.32 | rahul | or whatever compiler you need |
| 07:57.45 | incorrect | what is that is the package name for that |
| 07:57.50 | rahul | dunno |
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| 07:58.12 | rahul | but this hummus is good |
| 07:58.43 | incorrect | lol :) |
| 07:59.01 | rahul | and so is making fun of bartenders who were drunk beyond their limits the night before :P |
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| 08:13.17 | Falkom | Hi, I compiled a kernel from source but now, Iinstall a new deb kernel but when I start, server always looks for old modules.dep file. Could you help me, pleasE? |
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| 08:15.50 | scx | !undo |
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| 08:16.39 | scx | !areyouthere |
| 08:16.52 | scx | is the bot dead? |
| 08:17.29 | liable | !hi |
| 08:17.31 | Falkom | Hi, I compiled a kernel from source but now, Iinstall a new deb kernel but when I start, server always looks for old modules.dep file. Could you help me, pleasE? |
| 08:17.42 | scx | !wtf |
| 08:18.00 | hark | ~hi |
| 08:18.10 | apt | hello, hark |
| 08:18.10 | scx | ~wtf |
| 08:18.30 | scx | ok |
| 08:18.39 | scx | ~wtf |
| 08:19.17 | peterS | scx: if the only reason you joined the channel was to play with bots, please do it in /msg |
| 08:20.02 | scx | it didn't responded, that's why I was checking here |
| 08:20.23 | scx | it was cataliptic I guess |
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| 08:20.56 | peterS | it appears that the only reason you joined the channel was to talk to bots. is your life really so boring? |
| 08:21.19 | vlt | scx: I like `iftop` for network monitoring ... |
| 08:21.42 | scx | Go away peterS |
| 08:22.00 | peterS | scx: uh ... what do you mean? |
| 08:22.05 | scx | vlt: I do also but doesn't display what is using what |
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| 08:22.38 | scx | vlt: I just resucited ntop anyways |
| 08:22.48 | woodgrain | I love debian. |
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| 08:26.53 | raf256 | !smite scx |
| 08:27.00 | vaq | Why is all keybindings removed ? |
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| 08:34.12 | RvGaTe | good morning debian |
| 08:34.12 | deb_noob | how do i reconfigure x? |
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| 08:34.28 | deb_noob | dpkg-reconfigure something |
| 08:35.10 | sid | !drxx |
| 08:35.10 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 08:35.27 | sid | !greet RvGaTe |
| 08:35.28 | dpkg_ | Hi there, RvGaTe |
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| 08:37.17 | liable | vaq: what do you mean? |
| 08:39.57 | stoned | RvGaTe, hey whats up buddy |
| 08:40.08 | RvGaTe | stoned, ! hey ! |
| 08:40.20 | stoned | what you been upto man? no good as usual? |
| 08:40.35 | RvGaTe | stoned, last week of my work-experience period |
| 08:40.43 | stoned | ahh cool |
| 08:40.58 | stoned | I lost my HDD for a few days, and I just got it working today |
| 08:41.00 | stoned | I'm happy |
| 08:41.11 | RvGaTe | stoned, and currently im looking for an icon to represent "domain names" |
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| 08:41.52 | deb_noob | how can i see what video card driver i'm using? |
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| 08:42.43 | cast | there's a dpkg trigger for this... |
| 08:42.53 | cast | !whats my hardware? |
| 08:42.54 | dpkg_ | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 08:43.06 | cast | i'd take the case off and look personally. |
| 08:43.09 | HymnToLife | deb_noob, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep driver |
| 08:43.15 | stoned | I took it from OLD and put it in NEW and BIOS won't read it yeah. So I take it from NEW and put into OLD and BIOS will read it but will give me I/O errors and won't boot anything. So I flashed my NEW's BIOS last night. Just out of curiosity I placed my HDD into NEW with the updated BIOS and voila, it works! I cannot for the life of me seem to figure out what could have caused this behavniour. Please advise. |
| 08:43.26 | deb_noob | HymnToLife: no output |
| 08:43.28 | liable | proc/dri/.. |
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| 08:43.38 | cast | HymnToLife: that'll be pretty vague...maybe really vague, 'vesa' |
| 08:44.13 | HymnToLife | deb_noob, using Sarge ? |
| 08:44.21 | cast | HymnToLife: oh. sorry. i missed the word 'driver', my bad :) |
| 08:44.27 | deb_noob | etch |
| 08:45.31 | HymnToLife | deb_noob, sorry, Driver instead of driver |
| 08:45.32 | hark | !uuoc |
| 08:45.32 | dpkg_ | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 08:45.48 | hark | heh, pass the crown |
| 08:45.49 | liable | or grep -i |
| 08:45.58 | deb_noob | thank you HymnToLife |
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| 08:52.52 | Orfeous | how do i get out of a screen session without closing it |
| 08:52.52 | Orfeous | ending it i mean |
| 08:52.52 | dezent | crtl + a + d |
| 08:52.52 | Orfeous | ah, thanks |
| 08:52.52 | dezent | np |
| 08:52.52 | Orfeous | i am using screen -R when i want to open a started session |
| 08:52.52 | Orfeous | i got two sessions running |
| 08:52.53 | Orfeous | and then i got a list of available sessions |
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| 08:52.53 | Orfeous | is it possible to switch between session in a current screen session? |
| 08:52.53 | HymnToLife | Ctrl+a+[1-9] |
| 08:52.53 | liable | like two different screen processes? |
| 08:52.53 | cydork | Orfeous: list can be obtained with -ls |
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| 08:55.01 | enouf | stoned: your BIOS ROM got corrupted somehow |
| 08:55.13 | stoned | enouf, nah |
| 08:55.16 | stoned | as it turns out |
| 08:55.18 | stoned | it was a faulty cable |
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| 08:55.41 | stoned | I tested it with a bad cable and a good cable, I was able to reproduce my BzBzBzBz error |
| 08:56.07 | stoned | All the bits were not going through |
| 08:56.08 | enouf | stoned: no your BIOS was corrupted |
| 08:56.15 | enouf | :-P |
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| 08:56.46 | Orfeous | liable: yes, correct |
| 08:56.51 | peterS | Orfeous: you can have multiple terminal windows in a single session. ^A^C to create a new one, ^A^N to cycle |
| 08:56.51 | stoned | your bios was corrupted |
| 08:57.03 | stoned | don't be talkin bout my bios |
| 08:57.13 | enouf | Actually if it did NOT work before the iflash, then worked after the iflash, your BIOS was corrupted |
| 08:57.16 | peterS | Orfeous: you can't switch between multiple screen sessions within screen, though, you have to ^A^D and then run another 'screen -x foo' |
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| 08:57.29 | Orfeous | peterS: oopps :P i always login to a new shell and start screen again :D |
| 08:57.29 | liable | Orfeous: i dont think so, though let me know if you can |
| 08:57.30 | stoned | enouf, that was just a coincidence |
| 08:57.37 | enouf | stoned: all cables being the same |
| 08:58.21 | liable | ah, so no, you cant.. |
| 08:58.25 | peterS | Orfeous: btw, if you do want to manage multiple independent screen sessions, I suggest 'screen -S useful_name'. then you can 'screen -x useful_name' later. I run multiple windows in most of my screen sessions but I still run 5 different ones, so naming them is important so I can keep them straight |
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| 08:58.39 | stoned | enouf, I can make it happen again dude. I use the old cable from the old system, drive gets read by bios as BzBzBz, in the new system, and in the old one, it won't work anyway, i/o errors. I change to a different cable, and BzBzBz goes away in new system and it works, and it also works in the old one. |
| 08:58.40 | milestone | hi all |
| 08:58.41 | peterS | Orfeous: thus I have a session named 'mutt' and a session named 'cplay' and so forth |
| 08:58.48 | stoned | enouf, I just now tested it. Its the cable. |
| 08:58.55 | liable | yep, screens default naming is a pita |
| 08:59.22 | milestone | is there a possibility to synchronously write data into two directories? Something like Software RAID but without 2 devices more like 2 directories? |
| 08:59.23 | stew | screen -D -r asciiporn |
| 08:59.25 | peterS | the 'cplay' session also includes a window for aumix. the 'mutt' session encompasses half a dozen mutt windows open to different mail folders |
| 08:59.26 | enouf | stoned: I hear ya .. but yesterday or whenever , I coulda swore you went through allthe usual t-shooting steps like "testing the cable" .. guess not |
| 08:59.55 | karsten | milestone: Um,huh? |
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| 09:00.08 | enouf | stoned: new cables in Both systems? |
| 09:00.14 | stoned | enouf, no I neglected to use a different cable |
| 09:00.16 | liable | stew: you need a better hobby :P |
| 09:00.17 | stoned | enouf, yup |
| 09:00.25 | stew | EWINDOW |
| 09:00.25 | stoned | works ok now in both systems with a new cable |
| 09:00.27 | enouf | ok .. |
| 09:00.36 | milestone | karsten: imagine you have two directories. Both mounted per NFS both from different servers at different locations... |
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| 09:00.50 | milestone | karsten: do you see where i am going? |
| 09:01.12 | enouf | stoned: older 40wire cables make udma66/100/133 drives do funky things .. 1 being is , they not work |
| 09:01.23 | karsten | milestone: Slowly insane? |
| 09:01.56 | Orfeous | peterS: ah, nice :D |
| 09:02.02 | SmallR2004 | apparently they sometimes randomly burn out enouf |
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| 09:02.13 | milestone | karsten: no not really imagine those two servers were not servers, but EMC Cellerras which present a big volume via NFS |
| 09:02.28 | karsten | milestone: Just state what you want. |
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| 09:02.30 | enouf | SmallR2004: heh |
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| 09:02.37 | pmo | dpkg is not working :( |
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| 09:02.43 | peterS | enouf: the controllers should be smart enough not to use udma66/100/133 with a 40-wire cable. they _can_ detect this, and should automatically scale back to udma33. |
| 09:03.08 | SmallR2004 | peterS, imperative word there is 'should' |
| 09:03.09 | pmo | dpkg has committed suicide this day..; any1 to bring him back to life ? |
| 09:03.10 | enouf | peterS: I know .. but the HDDs controller doesn't always cooperate either |
| 09:03.28 | karsten | milestone: You've asked nothing remotely resembling an answerable question yet. |
| 09:03.36 | SmallR2004 | pmo, waiting for coroners report still |
| 09:03.40 | milestone | karsten: as i said i need drbd or software raid functionality without mirroring upon devices rather than on 2 mounted directories |
| 09:03.43 | peterS | pmo: you can get your hot botsecks action with '/query apt' |
| 09:03.53 | pmo | enouf, under nazi regime they cooperated |
| 09:04.15 | karsten | milestone: Possibly via LVM. |
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| 09:04.23 | enouf | in Soviet Russia Hard disk Controls U |
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| 09:04.35 | milestone | LVM? |
| 09:04.36 | karsten | milestone: I haven't messed with that under NFS, not sure it's possible, but that's the route I'd go. |
| 09:04.39 | pmo | petemc, i was looking for public key |
| 09:04.41 | karsten | !lvm |
| 09:04.41 | dpkg_ | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 09:04.50 | milestone | karsten: thx for the hint i will read into it |
| 09:04.51 | karsten | milestone: Better: RAID your NAS. |
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| 09:05.17 | karsten | milestone: Lose the concept of running RAID on the client side over NFS and put it where the hell it belongs. |
| 09:05.21 | liable | i need to control my fingers better, or i just killed x with a key combo that shouldnt have |
| 09:05.26 | milestone | karsten but how? As I said, there is a NAS on both ends |
| 09:05.46 | karsten | milestone: RTFM and/or talk to your vendor / support rep. |
| 09:05.49 | pmo | enouf, :) |
| 09:05.49 | milestone | karsten the NAS Servers have multiple Raids inside |
| 09:05.58 | peterS | milestone: if your NAS vendor can't do RAID, I hope you didn't pay very much |
| 09:06.02 | pmo | enouf, call poutine, he may know the answer :) |
| 09:06.07 | karsten | milestone: ... that's out of my area of expertise this week. |
| 09:06.08 | liable | whats with the EWINDOW thing? |
| 09:06.12 | milestone | karsten: it is to gain synchronous Data in 2 locations |
| 09:06.16 | liable | or ESOMETHING |
| 09:06.29 | karsten | milestone: Um. And you're piling client-side RAID on why? |
| 09:06.34 | peterS | pmo: eh, poutine is some sort of fried food from canadia. the russian dude is Putin |
| 09:06.39 | karsten | milestone: Um. You've lost me again. |
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| 09:06.54 | liable | chips gravy cheese |
| 09:06.59 | Orfeous | hm, need some help to solve some strange shell errors when i login :P |
| 09:07.03 | Orfeous | i copy to pastebin |
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| 09:07.09 | milestone | karsten: peterS: Because I have a NAS on two Locations. I want to synchronize the Data upon those 2 NAS Servers |
| 09:07.14 | milestone | in real tiome |
| 09:07.15 | karsten | !tell Orfeous about ask |
| 09:07.22 | karsten | milestone: unison |
| 09:07.24 | karsten | !unison |
| 09:07.24 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 09:07.39 | milestone | I can do it at night, but that is not synchronously |
| 09:07.46 | enouf | stoned: not to harp or anything .. didn't your new motherboard come with new IDE/ATA cables? |
| 09:08.00 | karsten | milestone: What's your latency sensitivity? |
| 09:08.12 | Ebbs | Hi! Ive got a problem with ecplise! Ive installed eclipse over apt for my debian/etch linux! If Im writing in eclipse and Im making sth. like: nameOfJLabel. . Normally here appears the list with the different possibilities, what you can do now. This list appears, yes, but it lasts at least 20 seconds, before it appears! Is this a known problem, and how can I make it faster? And .... yes, I tried it already in other channels, but I got no r |
| 09:08.13 | Ebbs | esponse! |
| 09:08.24 | stoned | enouf, yeh, I just never bothered to open the plastic case |
| 09:08.30 | pmo | !no public key |
| 09:08.30 | dpkg_ | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 09:08.33 | stoned | plastic was thick, I didn't have a knife or scissors handy |
| 09:08.42 | stoned | plus I was kinda high |
| 09:08.45 | milestone | karsten I am running a HA Mailserver So far I have had it setup with DRBD but now they want to provide Value Added Services |
| 09:08.51 | karsten | Ebbs: please back away from the bang key. |
| 09:08.55 | karsten | Ebbs: ... slowly. |
| 09:08.59 | milestone | karsten: And this is why they bought the NAS Servers |
| 09:09.03 | enouf | stoned: hehe .. ok .. I automatically assumed when you placed the HDD into new mobo, you used a "new cable" there |
| 09:09.24 | Orfeous | i am using tcsh as shell |
| 09:09.26 | Orfeous | http://pastebin.perl.se/dab8dcbd35/ |
| 09:09.31 | SmallR2004 | ok, can anyone think of anything useful i can do which doesn't involve rewriting my website or creating revolutionary irc services purely from python? |
| 09:09.32 | Ebbs | karsten, sry, what is a bang key? |
| 09:09.36 | milestone | karsten: No I want to achieve the same functionality (automatic failover, etc) |
| 09:09.42 | karsten | Ebbs: shift-1 |
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| 09:09.50 | enouf | stoned: though if you recall .. I did tell ya to "take a break" .. and come back to it .. |
| 09:09.58 | enouf | stoned: cool heads prevail :-) |
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| 09:10.01 | stoned | indeed |
| 09:10.11 | enouf | stoned: good for ya .. |
| 09:10.11 | stoned | enouf, thank you kind sir. |
| 09:10.14 | Orfeous | ah, i think i found the problem.. |
| 09:10.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 09:10.23 | peterS | Ebbs: bang means ! in classic unix jargon |
| 09:10.25 | Orfeous | its the /etc/csh.login |
| 09:10.33 | pmo | !etch key |
| 09:10.33 | dpkg_ | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:10.34 | Ebbs | karsten, k |
| 09:10.38 | karsten | milestone: You're *vastly* better off treating storage as external and handling redundancy through the storage device(s). |
| 09:10.40 | Ebbs | peterS, k |
| 09:10.48 | Orfeous | foreach FILE (`ls /etc/csh/login.d/* |
| 09:11.19 | peterS | owwww, my eyes..... I haven't had to look at loops in csh for a long time |
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| 09:11.25 | karsten | milestone: For HA and such, there's a few things going around, none of which are particularly turnkey. SRV records with very short TTLs and some intelligent network configuration might be one approach. |
| 09:12.06 | Ebbs | Can anybody help me with my problem? (Look above) |
| 09:12.16 | pmo | karsten, sockets redirection on the fly.. would be fun.. but few does this |
| 09:12.23 | exclude | I am using backup-manager on my server, but the strange thing is that backup-manager on my (ubuntu) desktop has far mroe features. Any idea if there is a more up-to-date .deb for edgy? |
| 09:12.26 | milestone | karsten: If I setup the storage devices, you are right. But in this case, These are 2 appliances each of which cost > 60K EUR. They have a redundancy module which has a latency of 15 minutes |
| 09:12.39 | milestone | karsten: or a mailserver this is unacceptable |
| 09:12.53 | milestone | karsten: where would I find such things? |
| 09:13.05 | enouf | Ebbs: what's eclipse? a car? |
| 09:13.16 | SmallR2004 | exclude, ubuntu is a dirty word here :P |
| 09:13.19 | Ebbs | enouf, a java platform |
| 09:13.30 | karsten | milestone: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Developers-Library/dp/067232699X |
| 09:13.35 | enouf | Ebbs: ewww.. sorry .. can't help |
| 09:13.44 | karsten | milestone: One of the few decent books I've found on the topic. |
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| 09:13.57 | exclude | SmallR2004: sure. still, I see the upcoming debian release has the full-featured backup-manager too |
| 09:14.01 | milestone | karsten thx |
| 09:14.02 | Ebbs | enouf, thx for recognizing me ;-). |
| 09:14.19 | karsten | milestone: HA is a huge area. Unfortunately there's tons and tons of snake oil out there. It's a fundamentally moderately-hard problem. |
| 09:14.20 | milestone | karsten: but do you now see where i want to go with the question? ;) |
| 09:14.21 | exclude | but dpkg -i that package failed, dependency errors. It needed some newer libs. |
| 09:14.30 | enouf | Ebbs: wish I could .. no prob |
| 09:15.22 | milestone | karsten: i have tried to hand out the volumes via iSCSI that worked, only that DRBD gives a Kernel Panic, when one device is going down, AND they do not come up automatically |
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| 09:15.54 | tralala | dpkg, test |
| 09:15.54 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 09:15.57 | karsten | milestone: I see where you want to go. I've got relatively little idea as to how to get there. |
| 09:15.59 | Trewas | exclude: if you mean package backup-manager it already is just as new in edgy as it is in ubuntu feisty (their current development version), and edgy version is newer than in ubuntu etch |
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| 09:16.44 | Trewas | heh, nicely confused the names there :P |
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| 09:16.57 | Trewas | who decided to name them sounding so similar edgy and etch |
| 09:16.58 | exclude | Trewas: I am no hero in codenames :) |
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| 09:17.09 | enouf | !ubuntusmite Trewas |
| 09:17.31 | exclude | Trewas: what I tried to say is how can i get bckup-manager from the not-yet-released debian on my stable system? :-) |
| 09:17.49 | enouf | exclude: have you looked at backuppc ? |
| 09:18.15 | exclude | enouf: probably. why would that be better then backup-manager? |
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| 09:18.41 | enouf | exclude: I don;t know what you mean "backup-manager" |
| 09:18.44 | tralala | exclude, from backports probably |
| 09:19.01 | liable | sarge doesnt have backup software? |
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| 09:19.05 | liable | how odd |
| 09:19.25 | Ebbs | What does it mean, if im getting the message you have to be identified while trying joining a channel? |
| 09:19.28 | liable | dunno how admins have been doing it till now |
| 09:19.29 | Guerin | of course it does |
| 09:19.30 | Trewas | exclude: I thought you were running testing, anyway, I would upgrade to testing since it is not hopefully too long from release, unless the computer is very important |
| 09:19.41 | Guerin | just not with a friendly name ;) |
| 09:19.44 | tralala | Ebbs, /msg nickserv help |
| 09:19.51 | exclude | Trewas: it is. Its a webserver with over 600 sites on it :) |
| 09:19.51 | enouf | Ebbs: it means you want to register |
| 09:20.07 | Trewas | exclude: ok :) |
| 09:20.10 | Ebbs | k |
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| 09:23.01 | RvGaTe | this is so funny, i work in a windows envirement with windows people all around me... then someone calls having a problem with his windows server... a guy over here answers him: "just restart the server, and it should go away" :P |
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| 09:23.14 | Guerin | so true |
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| 09:24.03 | tralala | Windows makes troubleshooting so easy! |
| 09:24.28 | RvGaTe | hehe |
| 09:24.46 | cahoot | OT smugness? |
| 09:24.55 | RvGaTe | OnTopic... yup :P |
| 09:25.35 | pmo | windows is pretty good, see linux doesn't end copying its design, user interface, applications.. nothing new in linux world.. except student first try.. |
| 09:26.09 | cahoot | OT smugness |
| 09:26.22 | pmo | kind of provocative, but not all wrong, in my view |
| 09:26.29 | liable | i wish rebooting would fix my laptop suspending problems |
| 09:26.59 | deb_noob | liable check what acpi is set to in bios, it fixed it for me on my desktop |
| 09:27.10 | pmo | liable, old machine ? new one ? |
| 09:27.14 | Guerin | pmo: eh? |
| 09:27.15 | deb_noob | i think i switched it from s1 to s3 or the other way around |
| 09:27.24 | liable | you guys missed the sarcasm |
| 09:27.27 | RvGaTe | cahoot, there is noone here having problems with debian atm, or at least no one is askng, what's the problem on going offtopic for a few minutes? :) |
| 09:27.33 | Guerin | liable: no, really? |
| 09:27.53 | liable | rly! |
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| 09:28.47 | Guerin | omg |
| 09:29.09 | Guerin | lts tlk inn tre ltr wds! |
| 09:29.33 | liable | omfg tsfc!?! |
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| 09:30.23 | Guerin | liable: tht was a 4 ltr wd! |
| 09:30.25 | liable | opps, i forgot.. lol! |
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| 09:35.58 | liable | time for a cheap dinnah, served with an expensive pint of guiness |
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| 09:36.00 | liable | laters |
| 09:36.38 | nocturn | Morning guys |
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| 09:37.11 | nocturn | When will Etch become stable? (released) |
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| 09:37.31 | tralala | nocturn, any time now |
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| 09:37.48 | RvGaTe | nocturn, probably when all the critical bugs are gone |
| 09:37.49 | nocturn | tralala: I thought so too... |
| 09:37.51 | stew | nocturn: when the rc bug count is zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 09:38.04 | nocturn | but I saw they migrated to a 2.6.18 kernel recently |
| 09:38.13 | nocturn | which kinda surprised me |
| 09:38.13 | tralala | stew, really? I mean zero? |
| 09:38.17 | stew | yah |
| 09:38.19 | stew | zero |
| 09:38.33 | RvGaTe | quite a high goal |
| 09:38.39 | nocturn | I need to add one there, don't know if it'll block |
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| 09:39.43 | nocturn | I tried etch recently (to replace a woody setup) |
| 09:40.06 | nocturn | but it had problems with 2 e1000 cards, for which the second card had two ports |
| 09:40.14 | nocturn | older kernels work fine |
| 09:40.18 | Suprano | i installed a new (binary) kernel, and now i want to compile a module. this module req. the headers (i downloaded the headers package), but it says that the headers don't match my kernel |
| 09:40.40 | Suprano | i remember something called fake headers, but not the exact cmd |
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| 09:40.52 | sep | nocturn, i hope you wrote a bug report or installation report ? :) |
| 09:41.07 | Suprano | !tell suprano fake headers |
| 09:41.09 | tralala | Suprano, what's exactly the kernel package name (linux-image...what)? |
| 09:41.33 | Suprano | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 09:41.55 | tralala | then install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 and you should be fine |
| 09:42.01 | Suprano | i did |
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| 09:42.16 | zid | :) |
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| 09:42.32 | Suprano | and i also got /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-3-686/* |
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| 09:42.40 | tralala | Suprano, what's the command and the error message |
| 09:42.41 | IPGHOST | hi |
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| 09:43.36 | nocturn | sep: I did, it failed to transfer (the MTA had problems), but I saved it (have to submit it later today |
| 09:44.04 | sep | nocturn, :) |
| 09:44.09 | Suprano | The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.18-3-686). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the kernel. |
| 09:44.09 | IPGHOST | any thing like setup command on Fedora ??? |
| 09:44.55 | Guerin | IPGHOST: what does it DO? |
| 09:44.59 | nocturn | I was surprised though, to see Etch using a 2.6.18 kernel... |
| 09:45.01 | Guerin | IPGHOST: the name is meaningless to us |
| 09:45.46 | IPGHOST | i want something to start setup / sysinstall like stuff to config my ebox form shell |
| 09:46.16 | IPGHOST | on redhat setup start system configuration utility |
| 09:46.31 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:46.31 | dpkg_ | i heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 09:47.04 | thinkmassive | hello again, I'm having trouble with a geforce2 mx video card in this laptop... the system says "Can't open /dev/fb0: No such device" |
| 09:47.20 | tralala | Suprano, paste the output of the exact command and output to rafb.net/paste |
| 09:47.22 | IPGHOST | how to configure network?? |
| 09:47.24 | thinkmassive | but I'm using fluxbox fine with the vesa module compiled into the kernel |
| 09:47.41 | craigevil | Suprano: are you trying to install vmware? the any_any_patch will probbaly work > http://maledivenhilfe.com/dl/vmware/ |
| 09:47.53 | tralala | IPGHOST, man interfaces |
| 09:48.02 | Suprano | craigevil, no the other way, debian #in vmware |
| 09:48.29 | Suprano | tralala, i can copy/paste to outside the vm till that module is installed |
| 09:48.31 | Suprano | :D |
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| 09:49.14 | thinkmassive | is the vesa module in the kernel config not a frame buffer? |
| 09:50.09 | tralala | Suprano, so if I have an unknown command producing an unknown error I'd say the problem is unknown. |
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| 09:52.07 | nocturn | Damn, I'm dist-upgrading and the system stops responding.... |
| 09:52.12 | nocturn | sigh :-( |
| 09:52.21 | Suprano-VM | http://rafb.net/p/xQfOk789.html @ tralala |
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| 09:53.39 | thinkmassive | does x not require a frame buffer? |
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| 09:56.21 | E-bola | Where should MIBS be placed on debian for utilities like snmpwalk to be able to use them? |
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| 09:58.56 | zimnyx | How can i do global search and replace on my dir? i need just a command name. |
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| 10:00.15 | tralala | Suprano-VM, check how the headers version is verified. I think vmware-install.pl is buggy or debian incompatible |
| 10:00.19 | WifiBrain | sup? |
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| 10:00.57 | Suprano-VM | k |
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| 10:04.09 | sep | Suprano-VM, been a while but i remember a vmware-any-any patch that i needed to aply before the vmware-config.pl worked |
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| 10:05.57 | Suprano-VM | ah |
| 10:06.25 | Suprano | the thing that craigevil told me? --> > http://maledivenhilfe.com/dl/vmware/ |
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| 10:15.53 | eisen | Suprano: I used the patch from here: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ |
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| 10:25.55 | LLcoolM | what is the announced name for the thunderbird replacement in debian? |
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| 10:26.59 | sep | icedove |
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| 10:29.40 | AnyFile | Hello, what package should I install to have PHP? I mean something that I can use from command line to check if the syntax is correct. In this page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Localization (at the middle of the page) it is said to use "php - l filename". I searched inside the serch engine of the debian package but I was not able to find anything interesting from this search http://packages.debi |
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| 10:30.43 | liable | didnt sarge release with critical bugs?? |
| 10:30.56 | badbugs | Hello |
| 10:31.26 | cahoot | liable: IIRC there was a bugfix releas real soon |
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| 10:31.48 | liable | after? |
| 10:32.08 | cahoot | liable: within a month or so after release |
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| 10:32.50 | lech | what's the difference between dist, contrib and main when adding backports? |
| 10:32.55 | liable | so, it released with critcal bugs? (i seem to remember it did) |
| 10:33.45 | cahoot | liable: I'm a bit foggy about the inner meaning of 'release critical' |
| 10:34.06 | liable | cahoot: me to :) |
| 10:35.11 | Suprano-VM | eisen, i tried several files from that link, and the configure script shows the same message as the orig. one |
| 10:35.22 | Suprano-VM | The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 10:35.22 | Suprano-VM | your running kernel (version 2.6.18-3-686). Even if the module were to compile |
| 10:35.22 | Suprano-VM | successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 10:35.30 | Suprano-VM | sry that should be one line |
| 10:36.06 | cahoot | liable: OTOH I installed sarge on a system for my daughter and during the ensuing years never had any complaints re stability/function |
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| 10:36.52 | eisen | Suprano-VM: hm, the patch you need is vmware-any-any-update*.tar.gz. Did you run the update script therein? |
| 10:36.54 | liable | cahoot: fair enough, but thats not the point I was after |
| 10:37.05 | liable | cahoot: re stews comment earlier |
| 10:37.16 | lech | am I correct in assuming that the contrib/main/dist generally what level of upgradeability/stability the packages have? |
| 10:37.19 | cahoot | liable: I was only rambling |
| 10:37.22 | Trewas | there's a description what release critical means for etch in here http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt |
| 10:37.26 | eisen | Suprano-VM: if you have a stock kernel you need the module headers installed for that |
| 10:37.27 | liable | cahoot: heh :) |
| 10:38.16 | Trewas | basically every bug above severity serious means the bug is RC... but I think that if they are going to ever release etch they will release with rc bugs or simply remove the rest of the rc-buggy packages at some point |
| 10:38.48 | Suprano-VM | eisen, yes i ran runme.pl. it does some things and then: Before running VMware for the first time after update, you need to configure it |
| 10:38.48 | Suprano-VM | for your running kernel by invoking the following command: "/usr/bin/vmware-config.pl". Do you want this script to invoke the command for you now? [yes] |
| 10:39.10 | Suprano-VM | but that script is exactly the one that does not work |
| 10:39.22 | eisen | Suprano-VM: do you have the headers for your running kernel installed? |
| 10:39.27 | Suprano-VM | the one that outputs the kernel headers version missmatch |
| 10:39.32 | Suprano-VM | yes |
| 10:39.47 | eisen | Suprano-VM: the update script patches vmware-config.pl to work |
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| 10:40.32 | Suprano-VM | Updating /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... corrupted |
| 10:40.38 | Suprano-VM | i reinstall vmwaretools |
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| 10:41.52 | eisen | Suprano-VM: it might just fail to patch on subsequent runs. I don't think you have to worry about that. |
| 10:42.03 | liable | i quite like the weasels restore session. its quite annoying when you dont want it, but really damn nice when you do. (s/weasel/firefox/) |
| 10:42.49 | eisen | Suprano-VM: I'm not sure, but here it picked up the headers in /lib/modules/<kernel>/source |
| 10:43.05 | liable | i guess not mention being a privacy risk, though i guess thats been thought out |
| 10:43.18 | eisen | Suprano-VM: can't run the config now to make sure though |
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| 10:45.59 | Suprano-VM | i now why this happens: Updating /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... corrupted Updating /usr/bin/vmware ... failed it is /usr/bin/vmware-config-tools.pl and /usr/bin/vmware does not exist but the tools are directly in bin.. |
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| 10:47.33 | eisen | Suprano-VM: quick solution might be to symlink. But then it's odd to have it installed to / |
| 10:47.44 | sep | Suprano-VM, vmware-tools is installed inside the guest. i think that i used the vmware-update any any on the vmware-config-pl that's on the host os |
| 10:47.55 | sep | but again. it's been a while |
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| 10:48.57 | clever_ | how would i see which package a given file is in? |
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| 10:49.12 | clever_ | within a debian based package system |
| 10:49.17 | mwe | clever_: apt-file search |
| 10:49.35 | mwe | clever_: you might have to intall it first and run apt-file update |
| 10:49.36 | clever_ | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 10:49.51 | mwe | clever_: you may have to intall it first and run apt-file update |
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| 10:50.09 | clever_ | lever@laptop:~/irclogs$ apt-file update |
| 10:50.09 | clever_ | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 10:50.12 | Suprano | seems to work now |
| 10:50.17 | Suprano | using simlinks |
| 10:50.28 | eisen | clever_: dpkg -S |
| 10:50.31 | mwe | clever_: hello I said you may have to install it |
| 10:50.36 | clever_ | trying apt-cache search |
| 10:50.38 | mwe | clever_: apt-get install apt-file |
| 10:50.44 | clever_ | ahhh |
| 10:50.57 | clever_ | apt-cache normaly works for the search agrument |
| 10:51.25 | mwe | clever_: not for locating files in a package |
| 10:51.32 | clever_ | yeah i see that now |
| 10:51.41 | clever_ | was thinking it was a diff in the program name with my distro |
| 10:51.50 | clever_ | that apt-file got renamed to apt-cache |
| 10:51.58 | mwe | it's not |
| 10:52.09 | clever_ | apt-file finished installing:) |
| 10:52.18 | mwe | clever_: now apt-file update |
| 10:52.31 | mwe | clever_: then apt-file search |
| 10:52.43 | clever_ | :) |
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| 10:52.46 | santibiotico | hi |
| 10:52.59 | santibiotico | is there any way to know the throuhgput of an interface? |
| 10:53.08 | clever_ | max or current usage? |
| 10:53.14 | santibiotico | both |
| 10:53.48 | santibiotico | (in cli, i cannot use gui) |
| 10:53.50 | clever_ | gnome-system-moniter shows a graph of current usage |
| 10:53.51 | clever_ | ahh |
| 10:53.58 | clever_ | i can probly dysect how the gui does it |
| 10:54.44 | clever_ | i managed to find out about /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ by dysecting my gps program:) |
| 10:54.44 | santibiotico | uhm... |
| 10:54.45 | santibiotico | and a simplier way? hehehe |
| 10:54.51 | clever_ | :P |
| 10:55.09 | tralala | santibiotico, nload |
| 10:55.16 | clever_ | lol |
| 10:55.23 | tralala | or was that ntop... |
| 10:55.51 | santibiotico | nload i think |
| 10:56.10 | clever_ | gnome-system-moniter is monitering the files in the area of /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/ |
| 10:56.19 | tralala | actually both should do. Nload gives you min, max and average usage. I haven't used ntop |
| 10:56.22 | clever_ | which you could use directly to get the raw data |
| 10:56.31 | santibiotico | and decode that data... |
| 10:56.41 | clever_ | i like doing things the hard way:P |
| 10:56.46 | santibiotico | but it will be a bit simplier to use nload :P |
| 10:56.50 | clever_ | yeah |
| 10:56.53 | clever_ | no need to remake it |
| 10:56.55 | tralala | clever_, install gentoo |
| 10:56.56 | santibiotico | many thanks :) |
| 10:57.07 | clever_ | im on ubuntu atm:P |
| 10:57.17 | clever_ | and ive already installed lfs |
| 10:57.23 | clever_ | which is less automated then gentoo |
| 10:58.00 | clever_ | linux from scratch |
| 10:58.25 | clever_ | the version i used was a livecd with a compiler and a ton of source tar's |
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| 10:59.04 | liable | they are both meta leet distros in the fact that they are supposed to be hard but the documentation is so goddamn good, that you dont have to think when you install them |
| 10:59.17 | clever_ | lol |
| 10:59.41 | clever_ | something i found odd in the docs |
| 10:59.42 | eisen | santibiotico: there's also iptraf |
| 10:59.45 | clever_ | it claims i need an X server built and installed |
| 10:59.48 | clever_ | to make X clients |
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| 11:00.08 | clever_ | what if i plan to use X11 forwarding? |
| 11:00.16 | clever_ | why waste a few days making an X server |
| 11:00.25 | clever_ | which will only waste disk and or ram space |
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| 11:01.02 | eisen | you only need the X libs |
| 11:01.08 | tralala | shall we attempt to stick on-topic |
| 11:01.17 | liable | never! |
| 11:01.22 | clever_ | the docs claim the dependcies also include the X server |
| 11:01.28 | clever_ | and 50 things that are related |
| 11:01.37 | clever_ | so its hard to tell which is the server and which are the lib's |
| 11:01.39 | liable | are we talking about debian? |
| 11:01.54 | tralala | liable, silly me - what was I thinking! |
| 11:02.03 | Ronin | should probibly ask in #ubuntu or #lfs whichever you're currently on clever_ :) |
| 11:02.16 | liable | indeed |
| 11:02.20 | eisen | I have no X server on my headless debian box, but can start X apps there. |
| 11:02.26 | clever_ | #ubuntu didnt answer my question and this room allready answered it:P |
| 11:02.31 | clever_ | #lfs is on a whole diff network |
| 11:02.37 | tralala | !room |
| 11:02.37 | dpkg_ | CHANNEL! |
| 11:02.48 | Ronin | clever_: still not debian though so off to #ubuntu for you |
| 11:03.00 | tralala | !be /connect barbie |
| 11:03.00 | clever_ | i can start X apps on my redhat box and forward them to my debian based system:) |
| 11:03.00 | dpkg_ | /connect is hard! |
| 11:03.17 | clever_ | and redhat refuses to let me uninstall the X server but ive disabled it |
| 11:03.26 | liable | clever_: debian based, isnt debian. bye bye |
| 11:03.30 | clever_ | :P |
| 11:03.37 | eisen | well, this is indeed offtopic then |
| 11:05.16 | Ronin | clever_: go chip the ice off your car its almost time to go to work/school |
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| 11:05.41 | clever_ | the main vehicle is a jeep so it can go thru 2foot deep snow:P |
| 11:05.46 | clever_ | its 7am |
| 11:05.57 | clever_ | and i got kicked out of school back in 2004 |
| 11:06.01 | liable | time for coffee |
| 11:06.01 | clever_ | and i have no job:P |
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| 11:06.08 | clever_ | never had a coffe in my life |
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| 11:06.13 | clever_ | or alcohol |
| 11:06.17 | liable | or a job |
| 11:06.21 | clever_ | or cancer sticks or drugs |
| 11:06.25 | Ronin | which explains why you cant get to #ubuntu ;) |
| 11:06.26 | tralala | clever_, that would explain your affection to lfs |
| 11:06.30 | clever_ | lol |
| 11:06.37 | clever_ | i was in #ubuntu |
| 11:06.49 | clever_ | they tryed !mail and all it led me to was the mailing lists:P |
| 11:06.57 | clever_ | then my msgs got lost in the chatter |
| 11:07.05 | liable | clever_: time to stop this convo before it gets pointless and nasty |
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| 11:07.21 | clever_ | this room allready led me to apt-file which got me what i wanted:) |
| 11:07.45 | liable | good |
| 11:07.57 | clever_ | i think i was missing both mailutils and sendmail |
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| 11:08.25 | tralala | clever_, tell this to #ubuntu - they will be pleased to know, while for us it doesn't make any difference |
| 11:08.31 | clever_ | :P |
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| 11:09.04 | sorl_ | if you want to shut some messages off i put 2>/dev/null at the end others >/dev/null are there messages called something different? |
| 11:09.23 | sorl_ | i mean what are those different mess called |
| 11:09.35 | liable | eh? |
| 11:09.40 | clever_ | i find 'cmds 2>&1 >/dev/null' works for killing all output |
| 11:09.44 | tralala | !confuse me |
| 11:09.44 | dpkg_ | No, who are your badger tomorrow, tralala? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
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| 11:09.49 | liable | theres sderr and stout |
| 11:09.53 | clever_ | redirects errors to stdout then stdout to null |
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| 11:10.12 | sorl_ | so the 2> is err mesges? |
| 11:10.17 | clever_ | yeah |
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| 11:10.25 | sorl_ | clever_, i see thanks |
| 11:10.28 | tralala | sorl_, yes (for sane programmes) |
| 11:10.28 | clever_ | 2>errlog would save them to the file errlog |
| 11:10.36 | clever_ | 2>/dev/null hides errors |
| 11:10.37 | mark```` | hi, how can i make apt think a package has been uninstalled without actually uninstalling it? |
| 11:10.54 | clever_ | 2>&1 redirects errors to stdout so they can be caught by a normal > |
| 11:10.58 | tralala | mark````, why would you want to do such a thing? |
| 11:11.03 | liable | mark````: and the reason is? |
| 11:11.20 | liable | mark````: i think your ` key is sticking |
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| 11:12.08 | liable | interesting, but weird |
| 11:12.47 | clever_ | is it posible to get apt to list off installed packages and the ammount of space there taking up? |
| 11:12.59 | christopherl | hello all, someone know if there are any website providing both email and file storage? |
| 11:13.13 | liable | clever_: to list, yes. the room, no |
| 11:13.15 | tralala | christopherl, gmail.com |
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| 11:13.55 | clever_ | liable: is there a way to posibly see the size a single package is taking up? |
| 11:13.57 | christopherl | tralala: but they don't let anyone get gmail anymore |
| 11:14.13 | clever_ | then i could just check each pakage in the list with a script |
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| 11:14.28 | liable | clever_: you can see what the default package should use from apt-cache show foo |
| 11:14.36 | clever_ | ahh:) |
| 11:14.43 | clever_ | and to list all installed packages? |
| 11:14.46 | mark```` | tralala / liable - long story, we installed cacti from apt and it didnt work, i spent hours messing around with it, then got it working downloaded directly from the website but forgot that the apt package is still 'installed' |
| 11:14.51 | mark```` | and i dont want it to break when we dist-upgrade |
| 11:15.03 | mark```` | so if i could just tell apt to leave it alone that would be handy |
| 11:15.15 | liable | clever_: dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:15.18 | tralala | clever_, aptitude search ~i |
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| 11:15.50 | liable | mark````: put it on hold |
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| 11:16.22 | mark```` | how does one do that? |
| 11:16.36 | liable | with aptitude its easy.. |
| 11:16.38 | mark```` | nm ill google |
| 11:16.41 | liable | !hold |
| 11:16.41 | dpkg_ | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 11:16.44 | mark```` | emerge > apt ;) |
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| 11:16.50 | mark```` | er, portage > apt even |
| 11:16.55 | liable | !beat mark```` |
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| 11:17.18 | mark```` | !beat dpkg_ |
| 11:17.22 | mark```` | haha |
| 11:17.23 | mark```` | genius |
| 11:17.31 | mark```` | automated retaliation |
| 11:18.20 | zamolxes | hi, what happened with http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/drupal ? |
| 11:18.41 | liable | zamolxes: you tell us |
| 11:19.02 | liable | !+info drupal |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg_ | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 11:19.09 | dpkg_ | Package 'drupal' does not exist. |
| 11:19.09 | tralala | mark````, you're doing the things wrongly. If the debian package doesn't work for some reason you can try backports or backport it yourself - you'll end up with a much better solution than directly installing from source |
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| 11:19.35 | liable | zamolxes: see debian.org for orphaned packages i guess |
| 11:19.43 | zamolxes | liable: thanks |
| 11:19.43 | liable | !orphaned |
| 11:19.51 | liable | meh |
| 11:19.54 | tralala | !orphane liable |
| 11:19.58 | zamolxes | :) |
| 11:20.18 | tralala | dpkg_, you suck |
| 11:20.24 | liable | tralala: i am already an orphan :( nobody loves me :) |
| 11:20.48 | liable | tralala: your spelling laso sucks :P |
| 11:20.53 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:21.00 | tralala | bwahahahaha |
| 11:21.12 | liable | why do i always make typos when i pick on others spelling? :) |
| 11:21.31 | mark```` | tralala: whilst in principle you are correct, i hate debian more than george bush, apt is the most backwardly gay package system ive ever been insulted by using |
| 11:21.43 | cydork | hehe |
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| 11:21.50 | tralala | keyboards suck. I wan't a mind reading device |
| 11:21.54 | mark```` | Gentoo is god :D |
| 11:21.57 | tralala | meh |
| 11:22.02 | cydork | !gentoosmite mark```` |
| 11:22.03 | tralala | want |
| 11:22.06 | liable | mark````: go away |
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| 11:22.32 | andyjeffries | Can anyone point me to a simple tutorial in making .debs? I've read http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html but it seems to get a bit sketchy towards the end on the final filesystem layout before running dpkg. |
| 11:22.43 | liable | !nmg |
| 11:22.44 | dpkg_ | i heard nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 11:22.47 | liable | !nm |
| 11:22.48 | dpkg_ | it has been said that nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 11:22.49 | tralala | mark````, that's fine with me. If you have to use debian and apt however you might want to do it properly |
| 11:23.33 | mark```` | nahh debian isn't a proper os :) |
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| 11:23.45 | liable | andyjeffries: the new maintainers guide is good enough for your average package |
| 11:24.02 | andyjeffries | liable: Got a link? |
| 11:24.04 | tralala | mark````, obviously we all agree |
| 11:24.10 | liable | mark````: we gave you help, now if you wish to troll, please leave |
| 11:24.20 | liable | andyjeffries: debian.org/devel |
| 11:24.34 | andyjeffries | liable: To be honest, it's a very simple package and one that's already in Debian and Ubuntu I think... |
| 11:24.37 | zamolxes | liable: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-drupal-devel/2007-January/000018.html thats the lasst news, i'll see what's in nEW |
| 11:25.04 | mark```` | im not trolling, just voicing an opinion |
| 11:25.15 | zamolxes | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/drupal-4.7 |
| 11:25.16 | zamolxes | :) |
| 11:25.18 | andyjeffries | liable: Thanks mate, reading it now... |
| 11:25.23 | mark```` | apologies is personal taste isn't welcome here |
| 11:25.27 | mark```` | s/is/if |
| 11:25.27 | liable | zamolxes: why has it dissapeared from sid? (i dont want to read the link :P) |
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| 11:25.48 | tralala | andyjeffries, if it's already in debian what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:26.05 | liable | mark````: how do you think we would go in #gentoo if we said we thought debian was teh r0x0r? |
| 11:26.36 | andyjeffries | tralala: Create a deb with a later version in it (it's not released to the public but I have an Ubuntu user that would like to test the current development version) |
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| 11:27.02 | mark```` | liable: dunno, but i would hope they wouldn't call you a troll just for voicing your opinion |
| 11:27.10 | mark```` | everyone has their own preference |
| 11:27.19 | tralala | andyjeffries, then you'll need an ubuntu package not a debian one |
| 11:27.24 | mark```` | doesn't mean people who use debian should be kicked out of #gentoo |
| 11:27.26 | liable | mark````: sure. so lets just drop the whole gentoo thing |
| 11:27.48 | andyjeffries | tralala: Is there a difference? I thought Ubuntu was just a Debian distribution with more up to date packages? |
| 11:28.06 | liable | ohnos |
| 11:28.24 | cydork | !ubuntu |
| 11:28.24 | dpkg_ | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:28.32 | liable | i wish i had a dollar for evey time i heard that |
| 11:28.44 | zamolxes | ohnoes |
| 11:28.45 | tralala | mark````, so if coming to #debian and saying that it sucks while gentoo rocks does not qualify as trolling? What is it then? Constructive critisism? On-topic discussion? |
| 11:29.05 | liable | andyjeffries: so, you think that the debian devs actually use the ubuntu packages when they update the archive? |
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| 11:29.49 | tralala | andyjeffries, there is a significant difference |
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| 11:30.05 | liable | debian just waits for ubuntu for there up to date packages? |
| 11:30.13 | andyjeffries | liable: I'm I'm getting the impression that I'm rubbing you up the wrong way. I'm not intending too, so for that I apologise. I was just after some information on how to make .deb files which AFAIK is the Debian standard package format. |
| 11:30.38 | andyjeffries | tralala: I know there's a difference in philosophy, but I didn't know a technical difference in the two distributions package format. |
| 11:31.06 | tralala | andyjeffries, the package format is the same, the contents of the packages are different though |
| 11:31.25 | andyjeffries | tralala: Ahh OK. Thanks for that. |
| 11:31.27 | tralala | the deps as well |
| 11:32.15 | liable | andyjeffries: you arent rubbung me the wrong way at all :) its just the whole ubuntu misunderstanding thing |
| 11:32.45 | liable | rubbing too |
| 11:32.54 | liable | !typosmite me |
| 11:32.56 | tralala | andyjeffries, propbably the easiest way is to get the debian/ dir from the ubuntu sources, stick it to the upstream source and try to build it. |
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| 11:33.59 | andyjeffries | liable & tralala: thanks for your helps guys. I'll have a nose for an Ubuntu packaging guide (as this user is on Ubuntu) and try to find some spare time to learn more about the differences in the two distributions. |
| 11:34.16 | tralala | of course, you'll want to customize the debian/control and maybe others |
| 11:35.37 | andyjeffries | tralala: thanks, I'll look in to the control file... |
| 11:36.03 | tralala | andyjeffries, you're welcome |
| 11:36.28 | andyjeffries | See you.... |
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| 11:39.03 | liable | its really quite difficult to not be a zealot when people always think that ubuntu does what it does off of its own back, like they dont use debian at all and are leading the way in debian development |
| 11:39.16 | liable | :( |
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| 11:40.38 | PinBalWyz | Is there another live CD distro that's Debian based besides Knoppix? |
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| 11:41.04 | liable | ubuntu installer is a live cd |
| 11:41.04 | cydork | PinBalWyz: live.debian.net |
| 11:41.42 | PinBalWyz | I'm looking for one with NTFS write capability. Why Knoppix doesn't come with that currently (it used to) is a big mystery to me. It would seem that's exactly what would prove quite useful. Anybody know? |
| 11:41.54 | PinBalWyz | cydork, no kidding? |
| 11:42.30 | PinBalWyz | I will definitely check out that website. Do you know if it includes a NTFS write utility. NTFS-3G (I think) for instance? |
| 11:43.02 | tralala | PinBalWyz, take an old knoppix with captiventfs |
| 11:43.24 | PinBalWyz | Yeah, really old, like 3.2 or something? |
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| 11:43.59 | PinBalWyz | I downloade 'insert' and it worked. Seems German and related to Knoppix, I noticed. |
| 11:44.07 | livingdaylight | is etchy ready yet? |
| 11:44.26 | tralala | livingdaylight, no |
| 11:44.29 | SlayerXP | livingdaylight: what does the topic say? |
| 11:44.30 | liable | not quite |
| 11:44.40 | cydork | livingdaylight: define ready? :P |
| 11:44.48 | liable | who reads the topic!?!? |
| 11:44.48 | livingdaylight | hi SlayerXP :D |
| 11:45.00 | livingdaylight | liable, exactly ;) |
| 11:45.05 | tralala | a/s/l? |
| 11:45.14 | livingdaylight | SlayerXP, can't seem to get away from you, lol |
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| 11:45.26 | SlayerXP | livingdaylight: I have no idea who you are. |
| 11:45.35 | livingdaylight | SlayerXP, have you checked out gizmo and and wengophone yet? |
| 11:45.43 | SlayerXP | ooh I see. |
| 11:45.45 | livingdaylight | SlayerXP, that hurts? |
| 11:45.46 | SlayerXP | no, had no time |
| 11:45.59 | SlayerXP | i'm buying a house |
| 11:46.12 | SlayerXP | buying a house saps your will to be a normal human being |
| 11:46.20 | tralala | that sounds expensive |
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| 11:46.43 | livingdaylight | buying a house is the most stressful thing after divorce |
| 11:46.48 | PinBalWyz | !live |
| 11:46.48 | dpkg_ | i guess live is not evil. |
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| 11:47.09 | sett | indeed |
| 11:47.17 | PinBalWyz | I didn't copy that web URL for live Debian distro. Could you repeat it please? |
| 11:47.39 | tralala | livingdaylight, I'd suggest to do it before the divorce then ;) |
| 11:48.15 | livingdaylight | tralala, no, coz then she gets half of it |
| 11:48.29 | livingdaylight | first divorce then buy the house |
| 11:49.34 | tralala | alternatively you don't bye a house nor divorce |
| 11:49.45 | liable | buy dude |
| 11:49.57 | petemc | suffering is caused by desire |
| 11:50.03 | tralala | this would seem to spare you a lot of stress |
| 11:50.15 | SlayerXP | suffering is caused by a bit stick with nails in |
| 11:50.22 | cydork | PinBalWyz: live.debian.net |
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| 11:50.31 | liable | SlayerXP: kinky |
| 11:50.54 | SlayerXP | s/bit/big/ |
| 11:51.01 | liable | i need a house and a car and a womans |
| 11:51.11 | tralala | SlayerXP, now you sound like a cia terrorist investigator |
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| 11:51.37 | tralala | liable, I'd be surprised if you get "a womans" |
| 11:51.50 | liable | the plural was intentional |
| 11:51.52 | liable | :P |
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| 11:52.41 | PinBalWyz | cydork, found it. Reading about the project on wikipedia now. |
| 11:52.45 | liable | tralala: i'll be surprised if i get a woman <singular> |
| 11:52.52 | tralala | uh, eh... women |
| 11:53.09 | PinBalWyz | it looks like NTFS-3G is in the apt-cache--cool! |
| 11:53.42 | PinBalWyz | Why Knoppix doesn't include it as a default utility is beyond me. Ah well...life goes on...but barely. |
| 11:53.57 | liable | oh dear, that really made me sound like your typical irc user in his moms basement.. |
| 11:54.13 | tralala | hehehe |
| 11:54.23 | jetscreamer | because kanotix>knoppix |
| 11:55.11 | zamolxes | jetscreamer: in what locale? |
| 11:55.29 | PinBalWyz | Jetscreamer, I read there was a bit of a falling out with Kano by one of the main supporters of the library because development on it wasn't proceeding apace. |
| 11:55.47 | jetscreamer | nl de en it others |
| 11:56.37 | jetscreamer | no idea PinBalWyz |
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| 11:56.52 | blondie | liable: hahaha |
| 11:56.53 | tralala | liable, a woman might get *you* |
| 11:57.31 | tralala | you put your guard down for a minute and next thing you know... |
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| 11:57.43 | tralala | !topicsmite me |
| 11:57.43 | dpkg_ | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon tralala. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:58.16 | HymnToLife | [12:56] <tralala> liable, a woman might get *you* <= yes, but only in Soviet Russia :p |
| 11:58.44 | PinBalWyz | Kanotix looks like it's going to have problems with continuing development/support. Kano can't do it alone. |
| 11:59.30 | tralala | That hurts me deeply |
| 12:00.41 | PinBalWyz | Soviet Russia? I read about that once a long time ago. Didn't it have a leader name Brezhnev or something like that who died from hardening of the eyebrows? |
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| 12:06.04 | liable | tralala: i am hoping to marry into money. (i an dream, right?) :) |
| 12:06.35 | diskus | PinBalWyz: probably his eyebrows suffocated him during sleep |
| 12:06.48 | PinBalWyz | Marrying for money is often the toughest way to earn it. |
| 12:06.57 | liable | hah |
| 12:07.02 | liable | indeed |
| 12:07.13 | tralala | liable, are you a gorgeous blond girl? |
| 12:07.18 | iSteve | I bid you good day; I'm trying to get qmail to work under Debian; package qmail-src is neat and works, however, I need to add several patches, most notably patch that allows smtp auth and tls smtp auth... anyone succeeded in this feat? |
| 12:07.40 | liable | um, no, i am a short average looking bloke |
| 12:07.48 | petemc | they arent patches, are they? |
| 12:07.51 | PinBalWyz | what about sendmail?\ |
| 12:07.54 | iSteve | I basically fail when I attempt to add a given patch; linker, during compilation, complains that parts of qmail were compiled with TLS while other parts weren't |
| 12:07.57 | PinBalWyz | !sendmail |
| 12:07.57 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 12:07.59 | petemc | you just drop in replacement .c files |
| 12:09.01 | liable | tralala: sure, are you rich? <grin> |
| 12:09.01 | iSteve | petemc: your sources must be different than mine then; where do I get these files? So far I've been using "the recommended qmail way", ie. stealing patches from Gentoo:) |
| 12:09.15 | petemc | iSteve: i havent looked at qmail in over 5 years |
| 12:09.32 | PinBalWyz | Is there anyone left who understands sendmail these days? |
| 12:09.44 | iSteve | the authors still live I guess |
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| 12:09.50 | PinBalWyz | I understand it's very cryptic. |
| 12:09.53 | liable | they have all been institutionalised i think |
| 12:09.58 | petemc | PinBalWyz: you would have to think so, as its one of the most common mtas out there, if not the most commono |
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| 12:10.34 | PinBalWyz | yeah, but only the high priests are able to communicate with it. Everyone else just accpets it on faith. |
| 12:10.59 | tralala | liable, ;) |
| 12:11.00 | petemc | its not quite that bad |
| 12:11.33 | liable | even exim is enough to make you go batty |
| 12:11.46 | petemc | exim 4tw |
| 12:12.12 | liable | !be an email barbie |
| 12:12.12 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 12:12.26 | jetscreamer | i was happier with exim as the default |
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| 12:12.30 | liable | it *is*! |
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| 12:12.32 | jetscreamer | as opposed to exim4 |
| 12:12.33 | blondie | exim is great |
| 12:12.40 | blondie | exim4 is exim c.c |
| 12:12.55 | pisti | what is now the default ? |
| 12:13.02 | blondie | exim(4) is |
| 12:13.05 | petemc | jetscreamer: exim3 is old and no longer supported |
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| 12:13.17 | nayyares | what application i should use to open .chm files? |
| 12:13.17 | liable | email is incredibly difficult to admin for something so taken for granted |
| 12:13.32 | jetscreamer | there is a chm viewer i forget the name |
| 12:13.34 | blondie | nayyares: the windows help file viewer, on windows! |
| 12:14.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search help |grep chm |
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| 12:14.09 | bigo72 | hi, I'm trying to do this: http://www.debianhardstyle.net/?s=bootcd (just italian, sorry), but I found some problems at the chroot moment, after "mount -t proc none /mnt/prove -t proc". Everything easy until command "chroot /mnt/prove": output is "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory", what can I do? |
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| 12:14.15 | craigevil | nayyares: xchm - Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X |
| 12:14.29 | tralala | nayyares, xchm |
| 12:14.30 | blondie | bigo72: we're not going to read italian |
| 12:14.49 | jetscreamer | do what i said you get chices |
| 12:14.54 | jetscreamer | choices |
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| 12:15.21 | jetscreamer | creating .chm's was fun |
| 12:15.33 | liable | bigo72: chroot /mnt/prove /bin/sh ?? |
| 12:16.08 | bigo72 | liable: have I to give that? |
| 12:16.17 | liable | tyoe it.. |
| 12:16.21 | liable | type |
| 12:16.48 | bigo72 | liable: ok, I come back in few seconds, thanks |
| 12:16.48 | liable | i have had the error before, but as usual my feable memory is failing me |
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| 12:17.22 | pisti | i wouldn't asking help to get chrooted ;-) |
| 12:18.53 | jetscreamer | !help pisti get rooted |
| 12:19.01 | bigo72 | liable: nothing :-( |
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| 12:19.07 | bigo72 | some output |
| 12:19.16 | bigo72 | same * |
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| 12:19.42 | diesel | can somebody elp me ? |
| 12:20.15 | diesel | i want to change my reslution to 1024 |
| 12:20.15 | tralala | possibly |
| 12:20.24 | diesel | tried everything is there a command to change it? |
| 12:20.24 | pisti | bigo72: the second argument of the chroot has to be a valid path/file in the first argument's environment |
| 12:20.25 | tralala | !drxx diesel |
| 12:20.26 | dpkg | diesel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:20.48 | diesel | !xmd5 |
| 12:20.50 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 12:20.57 | pisti | bigo72: so you have to see, if /mnt/prove/bin/ls exists, or even if /mnt/prove is mounted |
| 12:22.04 | bigo72 | pisti: ok, /mnt/prove is mounted, so I try to find /bin/ls |
| 12:22.43 | pisti | bigo72: are you trying to build a chroot environment ? |
| 12:22.53 | craigevil | diesel: as root,do: fix-res 1280x1024 [or so];restart x after |
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| 12:26.28 | bigo72 | pisti: yes, I try to make my distro with bootcdwrite after installation of my preferences |
| 12:27.56 | pisti | bigo72: dunno, what bootcdwrite is, but if you want to build a chroot environment, you need some packages there, have a look at http://www.chains.ch/chroot.php |
| 12:29.51 | bigo72 | ok pisti, thanks, I do it now |
| 12:30.06 | pisti | you're welcome |
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| 12:33.53 | diesel | does not work ! |
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| 12:34.19 | liable | diesel: what resolution do you have? |
| 12:34.33 | diesel | now i only can choose 800 to 600 |
| 12:34.39 | diesel | my laptop can have 1024 |
| 12:34.52 | liable | diesel: paste your entire x log on a pastebot |
| 12:35.10 | diesel | pastebot? |
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| 12:35.20 | liable | !paste |
| 12:35.20 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 12:35.20 | diesel | which log you need? |
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| 12:35.40 | streuner | Somebody know how to get into an old Compaq prosignia into BIOS? |
| 12:35.41 | liable | diesel: which version of debian do you have? |
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| 12:36.27 | liable | hrm, is this the start of a bot attack? |
| 12:36.28 | diesel | sarge |
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| 12:37.00 | liable | diesel: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:37.00 | AnAnt | how can I get a package into Debian ? |
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| 12:37.24 | diesel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.32 | zOap | how can I set what users that are able to run one certain program? This program(XLI) is default to root only but I want my ordinary user to run it as well. suid root/sudo is not an option since it's being called/loaded from another program that is running with ordinary user privelidges.. |
| 12:37.34 | liable | diesel: no, the log |
| 12:37.35 | RvGaTe | _mps_, wth is going on ? |
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| 12:37.55 | diesel | liable where can i find it? |
| 12:38.04 | liable | diesel: /var/log |
| 12:38.15 | liable | diesel: i told before ^^ |
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| 12:39.30 | christopherl | anyone here using partimage? |
| 12:39.47 | cast | oh oh |
| 12:39.48 | liable | a long time ago |
| 12:39.59 | liable | pick me pick me? |
| 12:40.17 | jetscreamer | R |
| 12:40.24 | liable | Q |
| 12:40.27 | jetscreamer | ^ |
| 12:40.32 | jetscreamer | pRick... |
| 12:40.45 | hark | !pick liable |
| 12:40.46 | diesel | liable how can i select the whole text? |
| 12:40.46 | liable | :( |
| 12:40.51 | diesel | in my console? |
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| 12:41.13 | liable | diesel: its a bit hard from console |
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| 12:41.27 | diesel | how can i do it then? |
| 12:41.42 | liable | diesel: are you in console now? with an irc client running? |
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| 12:41.53 | diesel | yes xchat |
| 12:42.16 | hark | diesel: on the same computer. |
| 12:42.16 | diesel | how can i change my nick btw? |
| 12:42.17 | liable | uh, xchat isnt console |
| 12:42.18 | diesel | yes |
| 12:42.25 | Ronin | diesel: /nick |
| 12:42.27 | diesel | i have xchat open and a console |
| 12:42.28 | jetscreamer | there is xchat-text |
| 12:42.36 | jetscreamer | but it sucked iirc |
| 12:42.42 | liable | jetscreamer: really? |
| 12:42.45 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 12:42.45 | clever_ | i think thats called a terminal emulator |
| 12:43.04 | jetscreamer | i tried it a year ago though maybe they fixed it |
| 12:43.14 | cast | xchat-text best use might be running xchat scripts i suspect |
| 12:43.34 | jetscreamer | the text got garbled iirc |
| 12:43.39 | jetscreamer | messy |
| 12:43.43 | loes | liable can i mail the log file? |
| 12:44.09 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 12:44.09 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 12:44.09 | liable | loes: just open the file in whatever you like and paste it to the pastebot link dkpkg gave before |
| 12:44.26 | liable | ^^ |
| 12:44.27 | loes | ok but its hard to paste |
| 12:44.39 | liable | why? |
| 12:44.50 | jetscreamer | highlight and middle click to paste if you're in x |
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| 12:45.37 | liable | loes: you will prolly need to be root to read the file |
| 12:45.41 | Jostein | Hello |
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| 12:47.02 | loes | liable This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/5166. |
| 12:47.08 | loes | its enough? |
| 12:47.55 | liable | nope |
| 12:47.59 | loes | more? |
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| 12:48.26 | liable | yes, just look at the log yourself, and see why it refuses to load the 1024 mode |
| 12:48.40 | liable | loes: its prolly to do with hsync values |
| 12:48.55 | liable | i am going to bed |
| 12:49.06 | jetscreamer | next time just grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:49.09 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 12:49.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 12:50.21 | jetscreamer | missing some anyway |
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| 12:52.45 | liable | jetscreamer: it wont be a EE line anyway |
| 12:52.55 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.02 | loes | next part |
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| 12:53.50 | liable | loes: more |
| 12:54.12 | jetscreamer | ah good ole i810 |
| 12:54.26 | loes | grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:54.26 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.26 | loes | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 12:54.40 | clever_ | no errors |
| 12:54.44 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah |
| 12:54.53 | liable | loes: we need the rest of the log |
| 12:54.59 | loes | ok in a sec |
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| 12:57.28 | loes | his content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/5168. |
| 12:57.33 | loes | thats it |
| 12:59.15 | liable | bah, dunno, bed |
| 12:59.25 | loes | ? |
| 12:59.47 | liable | loes: i dont see a problem in that log |
| 13:00.03 | liable | loes: paste the config for someone to look at, i am going to sleep |
| 13:00.28 | loes | ok goodnight |
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| 13:00.48 | liable | nite |
| 13:00.57 | loes | isnt there a command to change it? |
| 13:02.27 | jetscreamer | loes: what happens if you type xrandr -s 1024x768 |
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| 13:03.21 | loes | usage: xrandr [options] |
| 13:03.21 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.22 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.22 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.56 | loes | usage not correct |
| 13:03.58 | jetscreamer | works fine here for me |
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| 13:04.21 | loes | why not here? |
| 13:04.25 | jetscreamer | but i'mnot on sarge |
| 13:05.05 | jetscreamer | To find out what sizes are available, use the -q option, which reports the sizes available, |
| 13:05.41 | loes | 2 sizes 800 to 600 |
| 13:05.52 | loes | and 640 840 |
| 13:05.56 | loes | i need 1024 |
| 13:06.39 | jetscreamer | you 'might' try hwinfo and check the H & V rates against the values in XF86Config-4 |
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| 13:06.58 | jetscreamer | you would need to install it probably |
| 13:09.14 | loes | nevermind |
| 13:11.36 | jetscreamer | seriously.. apt-get install hwinfo, run it, then grep the .conf |
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| 13:11.46 | loes | dont know how it works |
| 13:12.02 | loes | i have hwinfo but does not understand grep the.conf |
| 13:12.17 | hark | loes: if you've manually edited your conf before, drxx may not have changed anything. |
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| 13:12.33 | loes | i know i know |
| 13:12.37 | jetscreamer | grep VertRefresh /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:12.58 | loes | VertRefresh 43-75 |
| 13:13.00 | kaeles | anyone messed around with installing on a alphaserver? |
| 13:13.01 | jetscreamer | and grep HorizSync /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:13.10 | jetscreamer | then run hwinfo and compare |
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| 13:13.57 | loes | HorizSync 28-50 |
| 13:14.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo |
| 13:14.47 | loes | cant scroll up in my terminal |
| 13:14.53 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 13:14.58 | jetscreamer | shift+pageup |
| 13:15.04 | hark | hwinfo --monitor |
| 13:15.12 | jetscreamer | ah what hark said rather |
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| 13:15.51 | loes | - moitor does not work |
| 13:15.56 | jetscreamer | -- |
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| 13:16.29 | loes | -- ok does not work |
| 13:16.33 | clever_ | moitor? |
| 13:16.46 | loes | monitor |
| 13:16.48 | jetscreamer | i've had that.. sometimes it doesn't do anything... |
| 13:16.50 | loes | -- monitor |
| 13:16.51 | jetscreamer | not sure why |
| 13:16.56 | jetscreamer | --monitor |
| 13:17.02 | loes | yeah i know |
| 13:17.10 | jetscreamer | ok alt method |
| 13:17.21 | jetscreamer | google the monitor's model #...just the model# |
| 13:17.26 | loes | it searches but find nothing |
| 13:17.31 | loes | i 810 |
| 13:17.38 | jetscreamer | no the monitor |
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| 13:18.24 | loes | Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device |
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| 13:18.49 | jetscreamer | the screen... monitor... crt.... the glass thingy in front of your face... |
| 13:18.55 | loes | its a laptop |
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| 13:19.00 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 13:19.02 | loes | packard bell r4345 |
| 13:19.05 | clever_ | http://clever.mine.nu/download/laptop.jpg |
| 13:19.14 | clever_ | see the distortion in that image? |
| 13:19.27 | clever_ | you can see the mouse pointer 3 times |
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| 13:21.37 | clever_ | some of the problems ive had which seem related to the one in that image |
| 13:21.45 | clever_ | appear like a lost h sync signal |
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| 13:22.00 | clever_ | some sync being lost |
| 13:22.12 | clever_ | yet its a digital signal for a laptop:P |
| 13:22.30 | loes | jetscreamer? still a solution now? |
| 13:22.58 | jetscreamer | loes: this? http://support.packardbell.com/it/item/index.php?i=7036110100&psn=218208050233 |
| 13:22.58 | hark | hmm, try reducing your VertRefresh, say 43-60 |
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| 13:24.35 | hark | but the log should say so |
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| 13:28.42 | jetscreamer | determine the correct v&h rates and you should be good |
| 13:28.49 | jetscreamer | my itialian sucks though |
| 13:28.54 | jetscreamer | italian even |
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| 13:30.49 | Renfield | How do I configure debian so that it understands that my hardware clock is set to local time? |
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| 13:31.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do you do when you've compiled something, it had no errors and said it finished properly, but you can't find a binary? |
| 13:32.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've looked through all the source directories, and there's no binary to be found... |
| 13:32.23 | jetscreamer | loes: try HorizSync28-64VertRefresh43-60 |
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| 13:32.39 | jetscreamer | Renfield: it's in /etc/default/something |
| 13:33.49 | enouf | Renfield: man hwclock .. ex; hwclock --set --date="9/22/96 16:45:05" |
| 13:34.17 | blondie | 1996? |
| 13:34.47 | Renfield | enouf I do not need to set the hardware clock. The hardware clock is set correctly. Debian thinks the hardware clock is GMT, but it is not it is set to the local time, EST. |
| 13:35.03 | jetscreamer | it's in /etc/default/something, Renfield |
| 13:35.08 | jetscreamer | i forget which though |
| 13:35.11 | hark | rcS |
| 13:35.14 | Renfield | jetscreamer Yea, I'm looking there. |
| 13:35.45 | jetscreamer | rcS like hark said, Renfield |
| 13:35.53 | enouf | Renfield: /usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime |
| 13:36.03 | jetscreamer | loes: try HorizSync28-64VertRefresh43-60 |
| 13:36.16 | enouf | Renfield: also /etc/localtime |
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| 13:37.00 | enouf | Renfield: or you can issue a hwclock --hctosys |
| 13:37.44 | enouf | if all that fails Renfield /msg dpkg utc |
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| 13:38.16 | loes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.26 | hark | heh |
| 13:38.30 | clever_ | lol |
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| 13:38.35 | shafire | where are the python2.5 packages?! there not so much like for python2.4 ... do i need to switch to ubuntu? :( |
| 13:38.50 | jetscreamer | loes: you put that in the XF86Config-4 |
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| 13:38.55 | loes | oeps |
| 13:38.58 | jetscreamer | shafire: sid |
| 13:39.43 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 ought to let you input those values loes |
| 13:39.48 | jetscreamer | or is it -phigh |
| 13:39.55 | jetscreamer | one of the 2 |
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| 13:40.12 | Renfield | When I run hwclock --show I get this: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 13:40.12 | hark | phigh, i think |
| 13:40.22 | shafire | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=python2.5&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 13:40.27 | shafire | jetscreamer, no so much |
| 13:40.37 | loes | put it in the xfreeconfig-4 file |
| 13:40.40 | loes | reboot now? |
| 13:40.56 | jetscreamer | shafire: i keep getting msg's that 'it's' using unsupported python2.5 |
| 13:40.57 | loes | changed it |
| 13:41.03 | jetscreamer | loes: just restart xserver |
| 13:41.21 | hark | !info python2.5 sid |
| 13:41.24 | jetscreamer | either startx or /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 13:41.28 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 3364 kB, Installed size: 12196 kB |
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| 13:41.49 | shafire | !info python2.5-gd |
| 13:41.59 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 13:42.00 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 13:42.00 | shafire | !info python2.4-gd |
| 13:42.09 | shafire | !info python-gd |
| 13:42.16 | dpkg | python-gd: (Python module wrapper for libgd), section python, is extra. Version: 0.52debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 13:42.18 | shafire | mhm |
| 13:42.20 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info python-whatever |
| 13:42.31 | shafire | this package is too old |
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| 13:42.53 | jharrisonwk | shafire: so install python 2.5 yourself |
| 13:42.54 | kaeles | mmm |
| 13:43.01 | shafire | i have python2.5 |
| 13:43.04 | shafire | in etch |
| 13:43.14 | jetscreamer | k |
| 13:43.20 | shafire | but gd and xml packages are not in or crypto sqlite |
| 13:43.20 | shafire | ... |
| 13:43.26 | jetscreamer | !congratulate shafire |
| 13:43.26 | dpkg | Huzzah shafire, you did it! |
| 13:43.30 | kaeles | just wondering, in the ftp for debian 3.1 there are like 14 debian-31e1-alpha-binary-X.iso's |
| 13:43.36 | kaeles | do i need all of those?? |
| 13:43.38 | jetscreamer | you only need the first |
| 13:43.46 | jetscreamer | or a netinst is even better |
| 13:43.59 | kaeles | kk |
| 13:43.59 | kaeles | thanks |
| 13:44.01 | Rhizome | you know, the netinst cd really needs an update, on a "new" athlon 64 x2, it doesn't find, usb, sata controller and the ethernet card ;) |
| 13:44.01 | kaeles | i was scared. |
| 13:44.18 | HymnToLife | kaeles, you'll need only if you don't have a net connection and want to instal additional software |
| 13:44.24 | kaeles | ah nah |
| 13:44.28 | HymnToLife | them* |
| 13:44.36 | kaeles | i apparently do have a net connection :P |
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| 13:44.52 | jetscreamer | at least on the box you're on |
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| 13:45.11 | HymnToLife | we don't know if you plan to install Sarge on the same box you're on now ;) |
| 13:45.49 | kaeles | true true |
| 13:46.06 | kaeles | thanks though :) |
| 13:46.15 | HymnToLife | anyway, be careful if you have recent hardware |
| 13:46.21 | kaeles | i just hope i dont break anything, i've never messed with alpha before |
| 13:46.26 | HymnToLife | Sarge could fail detecting it |
| 13:46.29 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 13:46.40 | kaeles | oh nah, its an alphaserver 1200 |
| 13:46.41 | jetscreamer | you do have an alpha box you're installing it on eh |
| 13:46.43 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 13:46.54 | kaeles | 533 mhz 64bit processor... :P |
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| 13:47.29 | jetscreamer | loes isn't back.. hope i didn't melt his monitor... :) |
| 13:47.43 | kaeles | lol |
| 13:47.47 | cyzie | just wish to find out if anyone has bought HP Pavilion model DV6126TX and install debian ? |
| 13:48.07 | azeem | cyzie: check www.tuxmobile.org |
| 13:48.25 | HymnToLife | cyzie, HP stuff usually has great Linux compatibility |
| 13:48.34 | jetscreamer | it's mobil not mobile isn't it |
| 13:48.41 | HymnToLife | you shouldn't have many problems with it |
| 13:49.02 | jetscreamer | nmi'm wrong |
| 13:49.06 | cyzie | just got the laptop today ;) |
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| 13:49.27 | jetscreamer | ahh they both work |
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| 13:51.14 | diesel | changed a little got a pop up that screen was chaged |
| 13:51.21 | diesel | but still the same screen |
| 13:51.50 | diesel | it did do something yeah |
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| 13:53.12 | vlt | Hello. I'm gonna move a Debian Sarge installation to another disk. The new disk contains /boot in hda1 and / in an LVM volume which is on top of an md (raid1). Because simply copying files (after partitioning and installing grub), modifying /etc/fstab and /grub/menu.lst didn't work---current initrd seems to be not md and lvm capable---I installed a fresh minimal Debian on the new disk which now successfully boots from / on hda1. Now I'd copy all f |
| 13:53.12 | vlt | iles exept /boot/* and /etc/fstab to the new partitions. A) Will that work? B) Which files from the new md/LVM capable system should I keep (I think of the next kernel security fix and possible initrd replacement)? |
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| 13:56.46 | jetscreamer | diesel: if you can find the correct v&h rates, (i guess mine were a tad off) it 'should' work... but... i found this earlier... |
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| 13:57.31 | calamari | hi |
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| 13:58.17 | viyyer | how do I find the default partitioning scheme of the debian installer |
| 13:58.21 | calamari | in the past I used synaptic to lock a package to a particular version.. now I cannot seem to unlock it. Is there a manual way to release the lock? |
| 13:58.30 | jetscreamer | http://weird82.altervista.org/?q=node/5 |
| 13:58.57 | jetscreamer | and http://weird82.altervista.org/?q=node/5/#resolution |
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| 13:59.40 | diesel | what could it be?? |
| 13:59.58 | jetscreamer | read those two links |
| 14:00.02 | jetscreamer | might help |
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| 14:02.51 | calamari | got it! had to edit /var/lib/synaptic/preferences |
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| 14:05.27 | daniel | Hi, I have libboost-dev installed, but the thread-module is missing. How do I install it with threads? |
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| 14:06.17 | azeem | daniel: there's libboost-thread-dev |
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| 14:07.06 | daniel | azeem: Not for me... |
| 14:07.12 | daniel | Prolly my sources are messed up? |
| 14:07.29 | azeem | daniel: which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 14:07.40 | daniel | stable |
| 14:07.47 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libboost-thread-dev |
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| 14:09.27 | daniel | My mirror is b0rken |
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| 14:10.02 | crazy_penguin | hello everyone |
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| 14:11.22 | zamuro | Hey. |
| 14:11.48 | zamuro | daniel: Then you'll have 7 year of jinks lol |
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| 14:15.57 | base3 | what's all this testing/stable/unstable business about then anyway?? |
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| 14:16.11 | vick | I've had a lot of free space, after using dpkg and synaptic and apt-get i found out that my hd is out of space, is there any way to like clear all temporary files used ? |
| 14:16.18 | vick | Because i'm sure there is a lot. |
| 14:16.27 | rsk | base3: read abaut it in debian.org |
| 14:16.51 | base3 | any particular page rsk, or just all of it? |
| 14:17.05 | rsk | dunno |
| 14:17.08 | justin | vick: apt-get clean? |
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| 14:19.29 | base3 | also, how much memory is recommended to use linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem rather than the normal 686 build? |
| 14:20.11 | justin | base3: read the package description |
| 14:20.12 | vick | justin, i've already done that, anything else ? |
| 14:20.20 | vick | one update used like 5GB |
| 14:20.21 | justin | vick: du -acx / | sort -n | tail -n 100 |
| 14:20.23 | vick | That's way too much. |
| 14:20.40 | justin | updates do not use 5GB unless you installed every single package |
| 14:21.23 | vick | oh wait. |
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| 14:21.43 | vick | heh, my bad, 5GB is used by something else. |
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| 14:33.28 | Yage | Anyone ever configured a proxy (say, squid), with no cache, just basic authentication via external plugin and acl based on source / dest?? I'm trying to do this with squid, all is fine, but i want https auth (without having to put all the proxy behind ssl). Any help? |
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| 14:39.05 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.33 | mo1991 | I realize this is not really a debian question but the same crossover .deb file worked fine in debian sarge |
| 14:39.46 | mo1991 | and has not worked in 2 installations of etch |
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| 14:39.54 | mo1991 | something to do with the gnome menu's I think |
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| 14:42.15 | diesel | pffffffffff does notwork |
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| 14:43.19 | frafra | hi all |
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| 14:44.22 | frafra | I would like to install the lastest java software under gpl, the version n. 6 for amd64 with plugins, but I don't found where I can download it. Who knows where? |
| 14:44.25 | tsbega | alguem ja instalou o debian via pxe? |
| 14:44.42 | azeem | !br |
| 14:44.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:45.10 | tsbega | la ninguem responde nada |
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| 14:45.54 | Ronin | tsbega: patience then in #debian-br |
| 14:46.12 | christopherl | what is automatic indentation do in a text editor? |
| 14:46.33 | TolstoyInlove | how can i list active services in sarge(in shell)? |
| 14:46.42 | sid | tsbega: If you are able to type a little english ask your question here. |
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| 14:46.48 | sid | TolstoyInlove: ps aux? |
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| 14:47.21 | TolstoyInlove | sid, only service not all the active process! |
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| 14:48.46 | sid | TolstoyInlove: as root # cd /etc/inti.d; for i in *; do ./$i status; done ? |
| 14:49.05 | sid | heh |
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| 14:50.55 | thnee | i have installed a new networkcard and loaded the e1000 module, and then i got a eth1_rename_ren interface wich doesnt seem to work, also; how can i rename it? i found this www.debianhelp.do.uk/udev.htm but i have added that stuff to 010_netinterfaces.rules with no change.. help please? |
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| 14:51.26 | tsbega | I am trying to install a lab with pxe, but after the election of the mirror it does not function does not find |
| 14:51.50 | sid | !pxe |
| 14:51.50 | dpkg | hmm... pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 14:52.56 | tralala | tsbega, try lessdisks |
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| 14:56.02 | tsbega | the installation is not for thin client, i'm trying to install full desktop from a local mirror ...booting from tftpboot |
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| 14:58.58 | mark4re | can anyone explain this? http://pastebin.com/866269 i have only stable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and nothing in the preferences file, perl and libperl are up to date with the repository |
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| 14:59.46 | BarryAllen | hi all |
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| 15:00.20 | TolstoyInlove | sid, no :( |
| 15:00.33 | BarryAllen | anyone can say me ir /etc/environment is readed before the scripts startups on boot? |
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| 15:00.47 | BarryAllen | s/ir/if/g |
| 15:01.21 | phantom_ | hi all |
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| 15:01.48 | phantom_ | is there a way to kill defunct proceses? |
| 15:02.00 | phantom_ | I tried kill -9 and it didn't work |
| 15:02.01 | tralala | no |
| 15:02.17 | Fox | shutdown -r now |
| 15:02.18 | Fox | :) |
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| 15:02.36 | phantom_ | they are living in my computer since 6 days |
| 15:02.39 | phantom_ | :-( |
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| 15:03.13 | phantom_ | and I think that they are oading my system |
| 15:04.12 | tralala | phantom_, how did you end up having defuct processes? |
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| 15:04.51 | Landrew | I think phantom was a defunct process |
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| 15:11.08 | kvossen | I'm not able to upgrade mysql-server to the latest version since lsb-base needs to be >= 3.0-10, yet is not available. Is this a known issue? |
| 15:11.17 | kvossen | Using sarge, by the way. |
| 15:11.28 | azeem | kvossen: sarge with backports? |
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| 15:11.43 | kvossen | azeem: yes |
| 15:12.14 | azeem | kvossen: well, you might need an lsb-base backport as well then, maybe |
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| 15:13.05 | kvossen | azeem: ah, i see. Any idea which repository this could be in? |
| 15:13.12 | azeem | no |
| 15:13.16 | jeward | What's the best apache log analyzer for a cluster? |
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| 15:13.32 | kvossen | azeem: thanks a lot. |
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| 15:14.08 | Flimqy | Are there any prexisting tools to sync two filesystems mounted as a unionfs to each other? Specifically, I want to commit changes on the top-layer tmpfs to the underlying physical media. |
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| 15:15.05 | shafire | how do i set in aptitude autoflag or so |
| 15:15.10 | shafire | that it will be not removed? |
| 15:15.52 | Flimqy | shafire: probably 'h'... but did you RTFM? |
| 15:15.56 | Flimqy | or maybe = |
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| 15:20.15 | jeward | What's the best apache log analyzer for a cluster? |
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| 15:25.20 | lvalue | it is exim4 that i need to send emails from one user to another on the same system ? |
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| 15:25.52 | azeem | lvalue: or any other mail server |
| 15:27.01 | lvalue | i only remember exim4 when i removed it and put ssmtp instead.. |
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| 15:29.16 | vlt | Hello. I'm gonna move a Debian Sarge installation to another disk. The new disk contains /boot in hda1 and / in an LVM volume which is on top of an md (raid1). Because simply copying files (after partitioning and installing grub), modifying /etc/fstab and /grub/menu.lst didn't work---current initrd seems to be not md and lvm capable---I installed a fresh minimal Debian on the new disk which now successfully boots from / on hda1. Now I'd copy all f |
| 15:29.16 | vlt | iles exept /boot/* and /etc/fstab to the new partitions. A) Will that work? B) Which files from the new md/LVM capable system should I keep (I think of the next kernel security fix and possible initrd replacement)? |
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| 15:38.53 | Mportnoy | hello cureless |
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| 15:43.50 | Junkies | hi all |
| 15:44.01 | Junkies | during the install can i have the main partition ufs ? |
| 15:44.53 | Junkies | does debian support UFS partition type ? |
| 15:45.06 | jelly | jeward: maybe urchin, er... www.google.com/analytics |
| 15:45.38 | jelly | jeward: Note, it's commercial |
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| 15:48.28 | bgat | anyone know how to install git on sarge? |
| 15:48.47 | rsk | get the source compile it |
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| 15:49.01 | bgat | errrr, yeah. of course. but I was hoping for a package. :) |
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| 15:49.31 | rsk | if you are on sarge and asking for relatily new packages.. |
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| 15:50.02 | kennell | Hey all, just got the Debian-netinstall .iso (testing!) and it does not find my CD-Rom Drive |
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| 15:50.31 | bgat | yea, I know. :) I'm actually looking at backports.org now. I try to run a pristine sarge when I can, since it's stable. going to have to go to etch any day now for the same reasons... |
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| 15:51.03 | bgat | looks like backports has some git packages. I'll try there. |
| 15:51.04 | bgat | thanks! |
| 15:51.39 | Junkies | does debian support UFS partition type ? |
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| 15:52.33 | kennell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.43 | dkr | kennell: what kind of system? |
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| 15:55.14 | dkr | kennell: it might be that the linux kernel only added support for your controller in a newer kernel which is not on the official installer yet |
| 15:55.46 | dkr | I had to use an etch daily build for my dvd drive to work (jmicron controller on msi p965 platinum board) |
| 15:55.51 | kennell | x86 i think, its Intel Core 2 Duo 6400, 1GB Ram, CD-Rom/Burner from LG |
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| 15:56.06 | dkr | daily build of the etch installer, I mean. instead of RC1 |
| 15:56.09 | kennell | and a Asus P5B Deluxe Board |
| 15:56.09 | dog | Hi |
| 15:56.11 | kennell | Okay, i try |
| 15:56.15 | milestone | a dumb question. How can I print the dependencies of an installed package? |
| 15:56.16 | dog | i'm italian |
| 15:56.27 | dog | and have a question |
| 15:56.45 | dkr | dog: I'm german, french, english, irish, and spanish |
| 15:56.47 | dkr | and I have an answer |
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| 15:56.53 | dog | ahah |
| 15:56.54 | Archville | Hello. |
| 15:56.59 | dog | ok |
| 15:57.04 | dog | the question is |
| 15:57.17 | kennell | Where can i find Daily-Netinstall (testing) Builds? |
| 15:57.34 | dkr | kennell: same page as the RC1 .iso just scroll down a little on thepage |
| 15:57.35 | Junkies | does debian support UFS partition type ? |
| 15:57.44 | dog | why my debian etch seem to be connetcted only for a few second? |
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| 15:58.19 | dog | when i start the pc |
| 15:58.27 | whitesuit | hi, is there a difference between using "testing" instead of "etch" in "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib" ? |
| 15:58.36 | dog | for a few second etch show to me internet pages |
| 15:58.42 | frafra | hi all, I've download the kernel source from the debian repo and a patch to apply to the kernel for the debian repo. The patch is for 2.6.15, not for 2.6.18, is it correct? how to apply a diff.gz patch? |
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| 15:58.51 | Archville | One question. ¿ Can i use my ralink rt2500 wifi card in debian ? |
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| 15:59.05 | petemc | Archville: yes |
| 15:59.16 | petemc | ralink work well in my experience |
| 15:59.20 | dkr | whitesuit: no. but it does matter if you use /etc/apt/preferences to pin something |
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| 15:59.28 | dog | ??? |
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| 15:59.34 | Archville | My problem is i can't find the way to do it on a clean install. |
| 15:59.45 | petemc | Archville: which kernel? |
| 15:59.46 | Archville | And i can't download anything from the internet in that computer. |
| 15:59.51 | dkr | dog: look at /var/log/syslog for a message about your network card |
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| 16:00.03 | Archville | petemc: I don't really know, i'm using the latest sarge install cd. |
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| 16:00.16 | petemc | Archville: so 2.6.8 probably, you'll need a more recent kernel |
| 16:00.17 | dog | and what i have to search? |
| 16:00.19 | bowman | heya. I have a fresh debian 4.0 installation with gdm and xfce4; I start xscreensaver through /etc/gdm/Init/Default but as soon as xfce4 runs, xscreensaver is gone. what would be the right place to start it? |
| 16:00.20 | kennell | thx, found it |
| 16:00.26 | g333k | hello, I ma downloading some subtitles from subdivx.com but in debian I see the spanish characters as #, but in windows I see them well, why is it happening? |
| 16:00.27 | dkr | dog: eth0 probably |
| 16:00.34 | Archville | I wouldn't mind to change to another distro, as long as the wifi card is straight supported. |
| 16:00.42 | Archville | I mean, etch or something. |
| 16:00.46 | dog | dkr: she is up |
| 16:00.51 | Archville | But i need it working out of the box. |
| 16:01.04 | dog | dkr: and it is setted good |
| 16:01.43 | dkr | dog: so just web browsing stopped working? try to ping something. e.g. ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 16:01.53 | petemc | Archville: etch should work |
| 16:01.58 | Archville | I only can get the wifi card working on Ubuntu and Suse. |
| 16:02.01 | dog | don't ping |
| 16:02.06 | Archville | But i don't like them, they are too bloated. |
| 16:02.07 | dog | host unreachable |
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| 16:02.24 | Archville | petemc: Nice, ¿ There is a livecd so i can try it without installing ? |
| 16:02.29 | dkr | dog: can you ping your own gateway? |
| 16:02.33 | dog | no |
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| 16:02.53 | petemc | Archville: theres a debian live cd, i know nothing about it |
| 16:03.03 | dkr | dog: run ifconfig eth0 and look to see if the error counters show anything higher than 0 |
| 16:03.12 | Archville | Ok, thanks a lot. :) |
| 16:03.25 | dog | dkr: RX returns me some errors |
| 16:03.51 | dkr | dog: dmesg might show you what they were |
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| 16:04.04 | dog | ok |
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| 16:05.13 | dkr | and were "dropped", "overrun", and "carrier" all 0 and just "errors" was not 0? |
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| 16:05.38 | dkr | er, "frame", not "carrier", :) |
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| 16:06.20 | dkr | if the latter then you might have a wiring problem. if the former then perhaps an ip conflict with another device |
| 16:06.26 | dog | i don't remember if frame was not 0 |
| 16:06.40 | annoia | What to do when apt-get locks up? I have trouble with python, and atm I get this error when I try to remove python-central (to start over): http://rafb.net/p/ow8YAc67.html |
| 16:08.12 | annoia | Or rather, dpkg locks up |
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| 16:08.33 | davascript_work | what command shows package version number |
| 16:08.42 | davascript_work | apt cache showpkg doesnt helop |
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| 16:08.56 | petemc | apt-cache policy |
| 16:09.00 | davascript_work | thanks |
| 16:09.12 | petemc | np |
| 16:09.17 | davascript_work | didnt work |
| 16:09.23 | petemc | what package?> |
| 16:09.23 | davascript_work | give me none |
| 16:09.26 | davascript_work | mysql |
| 16:09.37 | petemc | there is no package called "myslq" |
| 16:09.40 | petemc | erm |
| 16:09.43 | petemc | "mysql" |
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| 16:10.10 | annoia | Anyone? My system is somewhat broken atm! |
| 16:10.10 | davascript_work | n/m the guy who did the server compiled it form source |
| 16:10.18 | davascript_work | it wont be in apt |
| 16:10.20 | annoia | Because of that |
| 16:10.36 | davascript_work | thansk anyway |
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| 16:11.01 | cr3 | lintian is returning a newer-standards-version warning, so how can I provide the proper version? |
| 16:11.02 | dog | with another another distro it work |
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| 16:12.03 | pumpkin0 | cr3: "apt-get update; apt-get install <prog-you-want-to-upgrade>". |
| 16:12.21 | fozze | is there an embedded linux channel on freenode? |
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| 16:13.03 | davascript_work | just for gentoo |
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| 16:13.10 | cr3 | pumpkin0: this is for a program I'm packaging, I'm getting newer-standards-version warning. So I guess the lintian installed on my machine doesn't support the version specified in my control file. |
| 16:13.14 | tsbega | i'm trying pxe install of etch, but after i select therepository the debian-installer say repository not found the repository is a local mirror, on same pxe server |
| 16:13.42 | davascript_work | but embedded would better be researched a bit than just talked abiout |
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| 16:14.06 | annoia | Is there ANY way to remove a package without running the preuninstall script? |
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| 16:14.23 | eqvilibrivm | hi people... |
| 16:14.54 | prock | I've got a build server and I want to upgrade/downgrade third-party dependancies (via script) in order to meet the requirements for the different versions of what I am building. I am doing "apt-get -y install ..." from my script but it is failing sometimes because it is scared to downgrade packages. I am scared to give it --force-yes. Is it possible to tell apt that it is always safe to upgrade/downgrade a particular p |
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| 16:15.11 | lvalue | humm, it seems local mail delivery is not working here with exim4, how do i test it carefully and reconfigure it is necessary ? |
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| 16:15.37 | petemc | lvalue: exim4 -bt user to test, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to reconfigure |
| 16:15.43 | larsl | Which package are the libc function man pages in? |
| 16:15.52 | petemc | mapages-dev ? |
| 16:16.27 | larsl | Yep, manpages-dev. Thanks! |
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| 16:17.02 | lvalue | petemc, the test only gives information for the smarthost.. |
| 16:17.19 | petemc | lvalue: the reconfigure |
| 16:17.22 | petemc | then |
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| 16:19.21 | eqvilibrivm | I installed Fedora Core 6, a few days ago (until there I was Windows XP), but to install FC6 I used a program to create a partition on my hard disk (PQmagic)... I don't know what happened, i just know that the XP can't turn on... There are many important files there... I want to know if there is somebody that can help me solving this problem. Thanks |
| 16:19.43 | petemc | eqvilibrivm: try asking #fedora |
| 16:19.49 | Ronin | eqvilibrivm: wrong channel dude :) |
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| 16:20.00 | eqvilibrivm | thanks |
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| 16:21.56 | mortal5 | I have to do some testing of a network client/server program, but unfortunately I won't have access to any sort of network on the box in question |
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| 16:22.25 | mortal5 | is there any way in linux to make a client and server ran on the same machine think they aren't on the same machine? |
| 16:22.46 | rsk | mortal5: xen maybe |
| 16:22.52 | mortal5 | i.e. is there any way to have a 'fake' network setup? |
| 16:22.52 | jelly | mortal5: a lot of ways. You could run virtual machines, for example. |
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| 16:24.35 | mortal5 | so something like xen, or vmware or such? |
| 16:24.35 | rsk | yes |
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| 16:24.36 | mortal5 | only problem is the machine I'm gona be using has like 128mb of ram, lol |
| 16:25.26 | jelly | mortal5: user-mode-linux might work (I don't know about requirements for xen or qemu) |
| 16:25.46 | mortal5 | mmmm |
| 16:26.41 | mortal5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.52 | mortal5 | whoops |
| 16:27.03 | Hoxzer | omgzors spam |
| 16:27.10 | mortal5 | lol |
| 16:28.01 | mortal5 | better than that time i missgrep'd xorgconfig and ended up spewing the whole thing onto chat |
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| 16:28.29 | Hoxzer | ...ok |
| 16:28.58 | Hoxzer | I hate that nutty uses right mouse for pasting :( |
| 16:29.10 | jelly | Hoxzer: it's configurable. |
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| 16:29.24 | jelly | if you're thinking of putty |
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| 16:36.21 | EnsignRedshirt | Does Synaptic handle pinning from /etc/apt/preferences correctly? I am trying to install gaim from sarge-backports, and I am confused by what Synaptic is doing. |
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| 16:37.33 | EnsignRedshirt | If I put just gaim in preferences, Synaptic won't update because gaim depends on gaim-data. If I put both gaim and gaim-data, Synaptic doesn't appear to see the backport version of gaim (but it does see the backport version of gaim-data). |
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| 16:38.14 | EnsignRedshirt | I am using "Pin: release a=sarge-backports" and "Pin-Priority: 999" |
| 16:38.50 | g333k | Oh come on, I'm wasting many DVDs using k3b, always the charset codification error, for spanish characters isnt it utf-8 ? |
| 16:39.28 | muntz | heh. I have an issue with php4 and apache2 on Sarge. |
| 16:39.55 | muntz | if I make a phpinfo.php file I get premature end of script headers |
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| 16:41.15 | deface | lol |
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| 16:41.34 | EnsignRedshirt | Actually, when both gaim and gaim-data are in preferences, Synaptic thinks only one of them has an upgrade in backports; which one depends on the order in which they are given in preferences. |
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| 16:41.57 | muntz | if I change the NAME of the file to info.php4 I can see all the php info |
| 16:42.20 | muntz | <deface>, are you threatening me? |
| 16:42.24 | muntz | :) |
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| 16:43.50 | muntz | seriously |
| 16:44.04 | muntz | this php vs apache is killing me |
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| 16:44.21 | muntz | I'm using all apt pkgs |
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| 16:46.26 | tmp | anyone here who can help me to create a deb package with binary only inside ? |
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| 16:48.59 | mo1991 | anyone know how I can add the KDE menu to my gnome desktop enviroment - basically have a kde menu as a submenu in gnome |
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| 16:49.11 | EnsignRedshirt | OK, sanity check: Instead of using synaptic, I experimented with apt-get (the -s option is an outstanding feature). It looks like what I should do is "apt-get -t sarge-backports install gaim". Is that, in fact, the 'correct' way to use apt-get to install something from sarge-backports? |
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| 16:50.08 | andreiutz | how con i update my debyan system ? |
| 16:50.21 | BarryAllen | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:50.23 | BarryAllen | :) |
| 16:50.37 | a-atwood | as sudo |
| 16:50.58 | andreiutz | BarryAllen, thank you |
| 16:50.59 | annoia | There are no srvg package for python in debian? |
| 16:52.45 | annoia | rsvg, that is |
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| 16:54.13 | mortal5 | ok i figured it out |
| 16:54.23 | mortal5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.41 | mortal5 | can i do that without virtualization? |
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| 16:55.11 | EnsignRedshirt | I guess it worked ;) |
| 16:55.53 | pumpkin0 | mortal5: why not give the box several IPs and bind the server to one, the clients to others ? |
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| 16:56.05 | hark | mortal5: depends, just make the client connect to the port the server is listening on |
| 16:56.43 | mortal5 | pumpkin0, that sounds like it would work, but i have no idea how to do that? |
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| 16:57.26 | clever_ | if its a private service you could bind it to 127.0.0.2 probly |
| 16:57.40 | clever_ | and then the client would i think default to being at 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:57.52 | clever_ | enless you tell the client to also bind before connecting |
| 16:57.55 | pumpkin0 | mortal5: why do you need 2 boxes anyway ? There is nothing really important in keeping servers and clients on different boxes (for testing). |
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| 16:58.49 | mortal5 | pumpkin0, well, my prof said (prolly oversimplifying) that if a client and server run on the same machine, they interact differently than a client and server over a network |
| 16:59.33 | clever_ | if the client and server are on the same box then they can probly be programed/designed to use shared memory |
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| 16:59.45 | clever_ | allowing access to data is near random order |
| 16:59.49 | mo1991 | is there a way to add new folders to the start menu using alacarte in etch? seems I can only add items rather than folders |
| 16:59.57 | clever_ | with network based stuff it all has to be done over a seekless stream |
| 17:00.00 | pumpkin0 | mortal5: the network-speed is much, much higher and there are no lost packages, packages arriving in the from order ... nothing a well written prog cannot cope with. |
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| 17:00.15 | clever_ | you may have to make a protocol to ask for and give sections of whatever data they need to share |
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| 17:01.15 | clever_ | pumpkin0: is the program is using tcp the packet order and packetloss will be masked by the tcp in the kernel |
| 17:01.45 | pumpkin0 | clever_: you sure about the TCP ? There is UDP ... |
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| 17:01.57 | clever_ | yeah but udp would be more work |
| 17:02.09 | fozze_ | is there an embedded linux channel on freenode? |
| 17:02.09 | clever_ | id normaly chose tcp enless theres some reason i need udp |
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| 17:02.23 | clever_ | ##linux might be what you want |
| 17:02.53 | mortal5 | so what you're telling me, is essentially I could create a virtual interface, bind another ip to it, and then I'd have what i need? |
| 17:03.23 | pumpkin0 | clever_: for all i know he could be talking about a FDDI or ATM network. That will give him way more headaches then the simple UDP. |
| 17:03.25 | clever_ | you can probly to udp/tcp based network testing without any extra ip's |
| 17:03.34 | clever_ | lol |
| 17:03.41 | clever_ | havent heard of fddi or atm:P |
| 17:03.47 | pumpkin0 | mortal5: you can put a second IP on "lo" (local loopback). |
| 17:04.31 | hark | mortal5: Don't remember exatly, but you could just edit the applications.menu file directly to add a directory. |
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| 17:04.32 | pumpkin0 | clever_: ATM is fast and has things like QoS build in. Multimedia/stream heaven, programmers hell. |
| 17:04.38 | piper69 | good morning |
| 17:04.43 | clever_ | lol |
| 17:04.50 | hark | mo1991: ^^ |
| 17:04.58 | clever_ | what makes it programmer hell?:P |
| 17:05.14 | karsten | !good morning |
| 17:05.14 | dpkg | somebody said good morning was the only good morning is a dead morning. |
| 17:05.41 | pumpkin0 | clever_: a package size of ~64 bytes. At 155MBit that will give you a bit of work ... |
| 17:05.54 | clever_ | lol |
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| 17:08.40 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue what might be causing this when I try to login ? "Server refused to allocate pty" |
| 17:08.46 | hardcoffee | hi all |
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| 17:09.13 | clever_ | devpts not mounted or maybe some other error |
| 17:09.42 | agentbob | i'm in etch, is there a package/standard way for setting up php5 fastcgi with lighttpd? |
| 17:09.43 | hardcoffee | when i type "glxinfo" in console, he say no such valid command it seems i haven t glx ? |
| 17:09.57 | hark | hardcoffee: mesa-utils |
| 17:10.01 | hardcoffee | k |
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| 17:12.01 | hardcoffee | mesa-utils is already installed ... |
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| 17:12.07 | hardcoffee | that is not the problem |
| 17:12.34 | justin | !+find bin/glxinfo |
| 17:12.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:12.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils. |
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| 17:13.07 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: sarge or etch ? |
| 17:13.15 | hardcoffee | etch |
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| 17:14.10 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: mesa-utils is the way to go. is the file /usr/bin/glxinfo there ? Did you install a non-debian driver ? |
| 17:14.17 | mo1991 | hark - here now |
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| 17:14.43 | hardcoffee | hardcoffee@phoenix:/usr/bin$ ls glx* |
| 17:14.43 | hardcoffee | glxdemo glxgears glxheads glxinfo |
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| 17:15.07 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: run on console: "/usr/bin/glxinfo". |
| 17:15.16 | hardcoffee | hardcoffee@phoenix:/usr/bin$ glxinfo |
| 17:15.16 | hardcoffee | Erreur de segmentation |
| 17:15.21 | hardcoffee | yey i do =) |
| 17:15.42 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: you played with 64bit ? |
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| 17:15.49 | hardcoffee | y |
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| 17:16.28 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: run "file /usr/bin/glxinfo" and compare the output to a executable that works. |
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| 17:17.13 | hardcoffee | hardcoffee@phoenix:/usr/bin$ file /usr/bin/glxinfo |
| 17:17.13 | hardcoffee | /usr/bin/glxinfo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 17:17.13 | hardcoffee | hardcoffee@phoenix:/usr/bin$ |
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| 17:17.31 | karsten | rvsjoen: You couldn't get a terminal (well, pseudoterm). |
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| 17:17.53 | karsten | rvsjoen: ... what clever_ said, or permissions issue, or all terms in use (though tha should bea large number). |
| 17:17.59 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: now compare that to "file /bin/bash" |
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| 17:18.16 | hardcoffee | how i compare ? |
| 17:18.19 | hardcoffee | :p |
| 17:18.21 | hardcoffee | i m noob |
| 17:18.25 | damog | any idea on how I can "cut" a pdf to reduce it to some specific pages rage, only? |
| 17:18.36 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: you read both outputs and try to find the difference ... |
| 17:18.39 | clever_ | karsten: i was reading openvty syscall man page a while ago |
| 17:18.40 | clever_ | got bored |
| 17:18.52 | hark | mo1991: yes? |
| 17:19.01 | Trewas | damog: pdftk should do that |
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| 17:19.03 | damog | range* |
| 17:19.23 | damog | Trevie: I'll give it a try, thanks. |
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| 17:19.35 | karsten | clever_: heh. |
| 17:19.39 | hardcoffee | there is no difference at all |
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| 17:20.00 | clever_ | also figured out how the system controls the in and out ends of the stdin/out |
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| 17:20.23 | clever_ | when you open /dev/ptx you get a uniq device which is the master |
| 17:20.27 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: you installed a driver from outside debian ? like the nvidia from the nvidia HP ? |
| 17:20.38 | clever_ | and you can then open the slave end from that with another syscall |
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| 17:21.24 | hardcoffee | yes there is no debian symbol dehind the name of paquet |
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| 17:21.51 | hardcoffee | should i need to change it ? |
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| 17:21.59 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: which driver did you use ? |
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| 17:23.32 | hardcoffee | 9746 |
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| 17:23.57 | hark | !confuse hardcoffee |
| 17:23.57 | dpkg | No, those is our snake today, hardcoffee? trousers of the dictatorship of tibet with extra crabpaste |
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| 17:24.31 | pumpkin0 | hardcoffee: ... name of the package you installed ? |
| 17:25.58 | hardcoffee | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run |
| 17:26.31 | pumpkin0 | !nvidia |
| 17:26.31 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 17:26.49 | pumpkin0 | congrats, you f**k up your X-driver system. good luck. |
| 17:27.01 | hark | but..but the latest one is not available... |
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| 17:27.39 | sepski | !nvidia-installer |
| 17:27.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 17:27.58 | clever_ | ? |
| 17:28.02 | hark | mo1991: well? |
| 17:28.18 | hark | !bad bot |
| 17:28.18 | dpkg | :( |
| 17:28.33 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks, I have had problems about xinerama and opengl, my two gpus (nvidia and 3dfx) are configured fine, but I can't get opengl running, any tip ? anybody uses similar solution ? |
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| 17:28.37 | clever | lol |
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| 17:29.05 | sha1sum | I had four directories on my root filesystem that have all of a sudden lost their 'd' attribute, and became 1K files... anybody experienced this or have any ideas to fix it? |
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| 17:30.33 | clever | sha1sum: never seen that before |
| 17:30.33 | ezguy | hi, mkfs.ext3 reports - ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir |
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| 17:30.34 | clever | have you ran fsck recently? |
| 17:30.34 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: first things first: make a backup now. using dd if possible. Did you run smartctl to check the HD ? |
| 17:30.34 | ezguy | any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 17:30.35 | sha1sum | pumpkin0: haven't done anything yet |
| 17:30.41 | sha1sum | I decided to talk to smart people first |
| 17:30.42 | sha1sum | heh heh |
| 17:30.44 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: backups first, questions later. |
| 17:30.46 | clever | lol |
| 17:30.46 | hark | mo1991: I have to go now. I'd suggest using yelp and reading the customizing menus section. /etc/xdg/menus/ iirc. |
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| 17:31.28 | clever | pumpkin0: do you think it would be posible to use a tmpfs and unionfs and pivot_root |
| 17:31.45 | clever | to remount the / as readonly and make it more like a livecd? |
| 17:31.53 | damog | Trewas: I did the trick, thanks. |
| 17:31.58 | damog | It* |
| 17:32.15 | pumpkin0 | clever: in fact i use unionfs, squashfs and ramfs for /var. No problems so far. |
| 17:32.36 | clever | i was thinking of making a temp folder and a tempfs |
| 17:32.47 | sha1sum | pumpkin0: info that might matter: this particular path is part of a samba share |
| 17:32.49 | clever | then using union to merge / and the tmpfs into the temp folder |
| 17:32.57 | clever | then pivot root the temp to become the new / |
| 17:33.03 | clever | while stuff like X are running |
| 17:33.08 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: are you on the server or the client ? |
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| 17:33.16 | clever | and change the old root to readonly |
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| 17:33.36 | pumpkin0 | clever: forget about the "while X running". But the rest should work. |
| 17:33.41 | clever | would help to lessen the damage that may happen to sha1sum's drive from it being in use in r/w |
| 17:34.10 | clever | never used pivot_root before though:P |
| 17:34.35 | pumpkin0 | clever: a nice little "mount -o remount,ro /" will stop all futher damages. |
| 17:34.35 | clever | whats the main diff between pivot_root and chroot? |
| 17:34.48 | clever | pumpkin0: that has refused to work for me alot |
| 17:34.53 | clever | because files where open in r/w |
| 17:35.13 | pumpkin0 | clever: pivot_root is changing the root of the kernel, chroot changes the root for the launched prog. |
| 17:35.17 | clever | once i managed to do it remotely thru ssh by disabling EVERYTHING and nearly going 90% into SU mode |
| 17:35.20 | clever | manualy |
| 17:35.32 | clever | ahh so pivot_root applys to ALL progs:) |
| 17:35.34 | sha1sum | pumpkin0: both |
| 17:35.40 | clever | chroot only applys to self and future forks |
| 17:35.42 | sha1sum | pumpkin0: they both show with no directory attribute |
| 17:36.35 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: so the "fs" on the disk of the server is playing silly buggers. reiser or ext ? |
| 17:37.01 | sha1sum | ext journalled |
| 17:37.05 | sha1sum | or not |
| 17:37.06 | sha1sum | nm |
| 17:37.11 | sha1sum | ext2 |
| 17:37.14 | sha1sum | errrrt... |
| 17:37.17 | sha1sum | jeezus... can't type |
| 17:37.28 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: ext3 ? (answer with y or n) |
| 17:37.42 | sha1sum | ext2 |
| 17:38.06 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: why did you go ext2 ? when did you last fsck that thing ? |
| 17:38.27 | sha1sum | older, custom-built point-of-sales distribution with incredibly proprietary shit I didn't feel like messing with :D |
| 17:38.33 | sha1sum | not my choice... kinda walked into this job |
| 17:38.38 | sha1sum | everything all crapped out hehe |
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| 17:39.12 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: so just the usual stuff. backup first, then reboot and let fsck have a look. |
| 17:39.32 | sha1sum | okay... that works... gonna have to wait to reboot, even if it is detrimental to the HD |
| 17:39.36 | CodeWarrior_ | anybody here uses xinerama ? |
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| 17:39.52 | sha1sum | serving about 25-30 salespersons' transactions right now |
| 17:40.12 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: !i!i! Backup server ? |
| 17:40.18 | sha1sum | it's already backed up |
| 17:40.39 | sha1sum | it does a full backup at 2:30am every morning |
| 17:40.52 | sha1sum | todays transactions I'm not too worried about |
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| 17:41.30 | sha1sum | good God lol... check this out: |
| 17:41.30 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: well, if you have the choice: reformat the thing, start with a clean fs and copy everything back. |
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| 17:41.54 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: and use ext3 this time. |
| 17:42.09 | sha1sum | e2fsck 1.18, 11-Nov-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 |
| 17:42.11 | rfsu | is there a way to remove reverse dependencies? same as pkg_deinstall -R somepackage in freebsd? |
| 17:42.41 | clever | removing things a program draged in with it? |
| 17:42.46 | clever | like extra lib's? |
| 17:42.53 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: are you just running fsck on a mounted system ? |
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| 17:43.18 | rfsu | clever: yes |
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| 17:43.30 | clever | dont know how to do that |
| 17:43.37 | clever | but when i install programs and they want extra lib's |
| 17:43.43 | sha1sum | pumpkin0: no... just wanted to see the ver |
| 17:43.49 | sha1sum | I'm not stupid lol |
| 17:43.50 | sha1sum | :D |
| 17:43.53 | sha1sum | close, tho |
| 17:43.53 | clever | i generaly write the package and the stuff it draged in on a notes.txt |
| 17:43.59 | rfsu | archlinux's pacman also has this feature, but I can't seem to find support for it in apt-get:( |
| 17:44.01 | clever | then i can remove all of it later if i think of it |
| 17:44.28 | clever | rfsu: you could use apt-cache show PACKAGENAME to view the depends and then try removing each |
| 17:44.33 | pumpkin0 | sha1sum: you meet people of all kinds in here. fsck that one while mounted should kill it cleanly.... and, yes, that is stoneold. |
| 17:44.45 | clever | it should show a warning if it has to pull more then that out because of other depends |
| 17:45.29 | clever | pumpkin0: a while ago while in ssh i shut down every single service including sshd remounted ro then fsck'ed my root:P |
| 17:45.59 | pumpkin0 | clever: as long as you don't remount it rw again later. |
| 17:46.23 | clever | i ran fsck in readonly mode |
| 17:46.26 | clever | and it didnt find any problems |
| 17:46.35 | clever | so i just changed back to r/w and restarted all the services |
| 17:46.47 | sha1sum | RHL6.2 |
| 17:46.47 | stew | rfsu: aptitude remove "~Dpackagename" |
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| 17:47.00 | rfsu | stew: will try that |
| 17:48.17 | stew | rfsu: note that if you are just trying to get rid of extra things that got installed, aptitude does this for you automatically if you use it exlusively. also look at deborphan and debfoster that will help you locate such packages |
| 17:49.13 | sha1sum | wow vmlinuz-2.2.19-6.2.7.iplink2 |
| 17:49.24 | clever | deborphan is on my system:D |
| 17:50.37 | Flimqy | Are there any tools out there to merge two unionfs-mounted filesystems into a single filesystem? |
| 17:50.54 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: cp ? |
| 17:51.00 | clever | lol |
| 17:51.04 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: Wouldn't it be nice if it was that easy... |
| 17:51.26 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: where does that fail ? |
| 17:51.33 | Flimqy | all over the damn place... hehe |
| 17:52.09 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: post 1 error msg here. 1 line only ! |
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| 17:52.20 | Flimqy | error? |
| 17:52.23 | Flimqy | it doesn't give an error _message_ |
| 17:52.26 | Flimqy | it just doesn't work. |
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| 17:52.45 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: what does it do you don't want it to do ? |
| 17:52.47 | Flimqy | here's a scenario: /foo=ro, /bar=rw, mounted on /baz. |
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| 17:53.00 | mage_ | hello |
| 17:53.22 | Flimqy | say a file 'blah' exists on bar, and you do an 'rm blah' on /baz |
| 17:53.35 | mage_ | it's me or Gnome2 is completly fucked in unstable ? |
| 17:53.35 | Flimqy | Now 'blah' exists on foo and .wh.blah exists on bar |
| 17:53.45 | Flimqy | If you do a cp, you end up with blah an .wh.blah existing on the target |
| 17:53.49 | Flimqy | rather than blah not existing on the target |
| 17:54.07 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: what cp-line did you use ? |
| 17:54.19 | Flimqy | cp /bar/* /foo |
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| 17:54.40 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: that is wrong. cp -ar /baz /foo |
| 17:54.48 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: Same thing, of course. |
| 17:54.55 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: Because cp doesn't delete files (duh) |
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| 17:55.03 | stew | (r is redundant when you specify a) :) |
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| 17:55.15 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: I think it's obvious you have no idea what I'm trying to do... heh |
| 17:55.27 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: But thank you for your willingness to help nonetheless. |
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| 17:56.03 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: testing it on my squashfs now. So far 0 .wh.-files here. |
| 17:56.13 | Flimqy | I need a unionfs-aware sync tool. |
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| 17:57.41 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: cp -a will not copy the .wh.-files. I'm very sure. |
| 17:57.54 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: I'm sure it will. |
| 17:58.32 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: If it doesn't, a very VERY serious bug report needs to be filed against cp |
| 17:59.48 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: .wh.-files do not show up in the union. they just exisit in the /bar rw-part. |
| 17:59.56 | Flimqy | pumpkin0:Exactly. |
| 17:59.57 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: http://pastebin.ca/327040 |
| 18:00.14 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: and you just copied the union => no .wh.-files |
| 18:00.18 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: doing a sync of the union is counter-productive. Then you have duplicate copies of the files. |
| 18:00.29 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: So it only makes sense to sync the underlying FS'es |
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| 18:00.55 | Flimqy | and .wh. files exist there |
| 18:01.00 | Flimqy | and *will* be copied by cp |
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| 18:01.39 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: err... (you just want the changes, nothing else ?) use rsync on /baz. |
| 18:01.56 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: You still have the changes duplicated that way, tho. |
| 18:02.21 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: you want to update the ro-part, right ? |
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| 18:02.25 | Flimqy | yes |
| 18:02.34 | Flimqy | I want to "move" the changes from the rw to the ro |
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| 18:03.13 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: (it is a bad idea to do this on a live unionfs): "rsync /baz /ro-part". |
| 18:03.28 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: Why is that? |
| 18:03.32 | lkajdf | I am receiving "GETOSPACE: Device or resource busy" when trying to talk via skype. Etch, Fluxbox installed. What can i do? |
| 18:03.36 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: and clean the rw-part afterwards. |
| 18:03.44 | Flimqy | I guess unionfs doesn't know to expect the ro to change? |
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| 18:03.52 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: right. |
| 18:04.30 | Flimqy | Well can I dump the changes to a squashfs that would be merged with the original ro on the next reboot, before the union is mounted? |
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| 18:05.15 | kennell | Hello, i just installed Debian ... (netinstall, daily build) |
| 18:05.29 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: you can dump the changes to a tmp-dir, umount the unionfs, change the ro and remount the unionfs. |
| 18:05.43 | kennell | How kann i tell apt-get not to search for pakets on the Internet (not CD!!) |
| 18:05.49 | Flimqy | I can't unmount the union... b/c the union is / |
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| 18:06.46 | pumpkin0 | kennell: remove the http:// lines from /etc/apt/source.lst. apt-get will only search sources specified there. |
| 18:06.54 | clever | i think theres tools to let you modify the unionfs to change a ro to rw or other things |
| 18:06.59 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: pivot_root ? |
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| 18:07.11 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: On a running system? that's not a very good idea. |
| 18:07.24 | clever | lol |
| 18:07.40 | clever | i was just thinking a few mins ago about making a unionfs of / and a tmpfs |
| 18:07.59 | clever | then pivot_root'ing to that from the root |
| 18:07.59 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: that sounds like a box running from a flashfs with all changes written to a ramfs, right ? |
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| 18:08.00 | kennell | nono, i want to get Packages from the Internet |
| 18:08.07 | Flimqy | clever: You can do that, but it has to be done during the boot process |
| 18:08.09 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: yes |
| 18:08.10 | kennell | not from cd (ints netinstall = almoast nothing) |
| 18:08.25 | clever | Flimqy: i was thinking if i could do it after a full bootup |
| 18:08.35 | pumpkin0 | kennell: add the http://... lines to /etc/apt/sources.lst and run "apt-get update". |
| 18:08.38 | Flimqy | clever: Not really. |
| 18:08.44 | clever | im thinking the only problem is the oldroot will still be in use |
| 18:08.57 | kennell | k, ill try ^^^^ |
| 18:09.15 | Flimqy | clever: what is your purpose? just for the heck of it? |
| 18:09.16 | clever | the union and pivot make shure that the files which are expected in root will remain appearing in root |
| 18:09.17 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: will you have to update the ro-part often ? |
| 18:09.28 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: No. Config changes basically. |
| 18:09.30 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: on a router |
| 18:09.35 | clever | was thinking of a way to change the root to readonly |
| 18:09.42 | clever | while programs are wanting to have a r/w root |
| 18:09.51 | Flimqy | clever: But *why*? |
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| 18:10.04 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: you could dump the rw-parts onto the CF and add these dirs as ro-dirs into the unionfs ... |
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| 18:10.08 | clever | some1 in here a few mins ago looked like he needed to fsck his root |
| 18:10.40 | clever | and if you used my complex idea you could get a readonly root for fsck'ing while nothing else appears to be on a readonly drive |
| 18:10.51 | clever | so the box could keep going like it isnt ro |
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| 18:11.11 | Flimqy | clever: that would be where the errors=remount-ro option comes into play |
| 18:11.18 | clever | lol |
| 18:11.25 | clever | the person had an ext2 |
| 18:11.30 | Flimqy | clever: If your root partition needs to be fscked, then the box running flawlessly is the least of your concerns. |
| 18:11.37 | clever | and several directorys lost the directory attribute |
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| 18:11.41 | Flimqy | clever: So? errors=remount-ro is an ext2 option |
| 18:12.08 | clever | the system was allready damaged and i dont think the system knew it |
| 18:12.13 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: after X changes you have to cleanup the mess. But the unionfs-driver is pretty fast and can have shitloads of ro-dirs ... |
| 18:12.34 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: What happens if you change the mode of the flash to rw with unionctl? |
| 18:13.05 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: the porblem clever talks about: 4 dirs "converted" to files on a ext2 RH 6.2 server. OLD stuff. |
| 18:13.41 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: the newer changes come into the lowest rw-part. But older changes are not copied over. |
| 18:13.54 | clever | i still haev a 2.4 kernel on one of my main boxes |
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| 18:14.06 | clever | its mostly stable aslong as the ram+swap doesnt overflow |
| 18:14.10 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: So writes fall to the "lowest" rw dir? |
| 18:14.12 | pumpkin0 | clever: that was a 2.2-box. |
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| 18:14.28 | clever | my 2.4 is a redhat9 |
| 18:14.29 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: yes. Whatever is lowest at the time of writing. |
| 18:15.22 | sorl_ | how do i compress a dir to tar.bz2? |
| 18:15.37 | Flimqy | What if I do an rsync between the union and the ro, and write the changes to a squashfs that is then mounted between the rw and ro... |
| 18:15.37 | sorl_ | -cfj dont werk :/ |
| 18:15.53 | muntz | make a tar file first and then bzip it |
| 18:15.55 | clever | you need the file name directly after the f |
| 18:16.00 | muntz | if you need to |
| 18:16.00 | Flimqy | then on the next boot, move anything from the squashfs to the ro, and delete the squashfs image |
| 18:16.06 | clever | -cfj would put it in an uncompressed file called j |
| 18:16.15 | sorl_ | clever, yep |
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| 18:16.19 | Flimqy | sorl_: man tar |
| 18:16.24 | clever | -cjf output |
| 18:16.25 | sorl_ | clever, -cjf |
| 18:16.26 | clever | is probly what you want |
| 18:16.29 | sorl_ | ok |
| 18:16.35 | sorl_ | clever, thanks |
| 18:16.40 | clever | f has to be the last leter and the filename right after it |
| 18:16.50 | sorl_ | man tar wont tell me anyway |
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| 18:17.02 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: 2x writes on the flash. and writing into the dir you syn from is a BAD idea (on the rsync-side) |
| 18:17.07 | clever | i read the entire infodoc on tar |
| 18:17.11 | muntz | tar cvpf resultant.tar.file directory/ |
| 18:17.12 | clever | was VERY bored:P |
| 18:17.22 | muntz | klever |
| 18:17.24 | sorl_ | clever, hehe, yes tar is big |
| 18:17.28 | sorl_ | clever, awk too? |
| 18:17.35 | clever | havent read that yet |
| 18:17.41 | clever | but ive also gone thru the grub manual |
| 18:17.42 | muntz | tar is bigger than both of us |
| 18:17.44 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: Well I could write to a squash, and just use the squash indefinately then... or at least until there are too many squashes to manage.. right? |
| 18:18.06 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: you can append to squashfs-images ... |
| 18:18.20 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: But not while they're mounted in a union. |
| 18:18.32 | Flimqy | (right?) |
| 18:18.38 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: always the fine print ... right. |
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| 18:19.15 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: how much RAM do you have for that ? |
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| 18:19.27 | Flimqy | But I *could* commit changes to a squashfs, then add the squash to the union |
| 18:19.48 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: 256mb in this particular machine. why? |
| 18:22.36 | mortal5 | how would I recursively put every file in a directory using sftp? |
| 18:22.41 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: rw-part in ramfs, saved to a squashfs at shutdown. at boot you mount the squashfs, copy it into the ramfs and umount it. Later you build the union from the rw and ro-part. squashfs uses a fair bit of ram, you don't want to have that module filling up the RAM. (That way the basic setup stay on the flash (forever) and all changes are dumped into a removeable squashfs-image (that is recreated at shutdown if needed). |
| 18:22.45 | justin | mortal5: use scp or rsync? |
| 18:23.08 | kennell | Hm ok i opend the /etc/apt/sources.list (made backup of the file) in the vi editor, i now want to tell apt-get to geht pakages from the Internet, what line should i ad? |
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| 18:23.39 | pumpkin0 | kennell: etch or sarge ` |
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| 18:23.49 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: RAM really isn't a concern. I can add more RAM if necessary. |
| 18:23.59 | kennell | hough? |
| 18:24.25 | pumpkin0 | kennell: you have to know if you have etch (testing) or sarge (stable) installed. The lines are different. |
| 18:24.25 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: How about every commit goes from ram to a new squash. On boot, the original ro and all squashes are union'ed, with ram on top. |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | kennell: which version of debian ? |
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| 18:24.49 | kennell | uh, netinstall daily build |
| 18:24.52 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: When the number of squashes reaches a specified threshhold, they are merged into the oringial ro |
| 18:24.57 | abrotman | kennell: etch or sarge ? |
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| 18:25.15 | kennell | i want apt to get packaes from the internetnot from CD |
| 18:25.18 | abrotman | i know that |
| 18:25.20 | kennell | i guess its etch |
| 18:25.37 | abrotman | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 18:25.51 | kennell | can i delet all other lines? |
| 18:26.00 | abrotman | you want a security line if it's there already |
| 18:26.12 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: you will still have a problem with the merge. You cannot change the ro-part while it is mounted and you cannot rsync without having the union mounted... |
| 18:26.12 | kennell | yeah there is |
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| 18:26.21 | abrotman | then leave the security.debian.org line ther |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | there |
| 18:26.24 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: One quick question... can two unions reference the same dirs simultaneously? For instance, if I had 10 squashe's unioned to /, could I union the bottom 8, to build a new squash from them? |
| 18:26.43 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: I can't change the ro part, but I can supercede it. |
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| 18:27.22 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: ro-parts can be used in several unionfs. Do not try it with rw-parts. |
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| 18:27.50 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: suppose I have parts (top to bottom): 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I could merge 4-1 into '6', then insert 6 below 5 (so it looks like 5, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1), then remove 4-1, and delete them. |
| 18:28.05 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: then I'd have a union that looks like "5, 6" |
| 18:28.23 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: But contains all of the original data. is there anything wrong with that idea? |
| 18:28.31 | jeward_ | I have ~200 sarge servers which run scripts as root from snmpd. Etch doesn't. Is there a way to get etch to run scripts as root from snmpd? |
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| 18:29.01 | Flimqy | jeward: is there a user called 'snmpd'? |
| 18:29.01 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: that sounds good. |
| 18:29.12 | jeward_ | flimqy: Checking. |
| 18:29.24 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: I'll probably leave the base system in tact, and only merge the intermediate squashes, to avoid unnecessary large writes. |
| 18:29.30 | jeward_ | fimlqy: Yes. |
| 18:29.44 | Flimqy | jeward: And you want to run this from cron I presume? |
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| 18:29.50 | jeward_ | flimqy: Do I need to set it to uid 0? |
| 18:29.58 | Flimqy | jeward: Eww, no |
| 18:30.10 | jeward_ | flimqy: It's a nagios check from a remote host. |
| 18:30.36 | Flimqy | jeward_: So are you running it from cron, or what? |
| 18:30.48 | jeward_ | flimqy: Nagios. |
| 18:30.57 | Flimqy | I don't know what that is |
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| 18:31.13 | jeward_ | flimqy: It's a service monitor. |
| 18:31.18 | Flimqy | okay |
| 18:31.23 | Flimqy | well then I guess I would look at that |
| 18:31.29 | jeward_ | flimqy: Keeps track of servers and services being up or down. |
| 18:31.30 | Flimqy | to see why it's not runing as the right user |
| 18:31.41 | Flimqy | yes, I know what a service monitor does |
| 18:31.52 | jeward_ | Flimqy: It initiates the script via snmp. |
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| 18:32.04 | Flimqy | then you probably need to look at snmpd's config |
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| 18:32.15 | Ronin | any bets ^[NeShe]^ is a spam bot? |
| 18:32.20 | jeward_ | flimqy: The problem being that the exact same setup works on sarge, breaks on etch. |
| 18:32.28 | azi` | can someone suggest me some tiny debian clone (a minimalistic system) |
| 18:32.42 | jeward_ | axi`: damn small linux |
| 18:32.44 | Ronin | azi`: dsl is small and debian based i believe |
| 18:32.52 | Ronin | azi`: but why not just run debian? |
| 18:33.22 | justin | probably because debian deesn't have pre-made disk images for booting off of a usb disk |
| 18:33.30 | daxxar | How do I restore a config from a package? |
| 18:33.35 | azi` | Ronin: actually i've just booted a gentoo livecd on a virtual machine with 1gb.. i simply need an already prepared system just to extract it there.. |
| 18:33.36 | daxxar | Revert it to "base" |
| 18:33.59 | Ronin | justin: you a mind reader or did i miss them asking that? :) |
| 18:34.11 | azi` | as i already mentioned.. is there any way to wget && extract the disk on the boot partition or something? |
| 18:34.23 | Flimqy | justin: who are you talking to? |
| 18:34.24 | justin | Ronin: hmm? |
| 18:34.28 | justin | 13:32 < Ronin> azi`: but why not just run debian? |
| 18:34.44 | MetaBookfoziS | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.47 | Ronin | justin: i meant i never saw them say anythign about pre-made disk images and usb |
| 18:34.48 | jeward_ | azi`: There's a document for how to do that with damn small linux. I find the method works for just about any distribution. |
| 18:34.48 | MetaBookfoziS | opps |
| 18:34.49 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 18:34.59 | Flimqy | hrm |
| 18:35.03 | justin | Ronin: oh, that is probably what he has in mind though |
| 18:35.05 | Flimqy | I'm using Debian on USB flash just fine |
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| 18:35.08 | azi` | jeward_: do you know where the documment is? on the dsl page? |
| 18:35.41 | jeward_ | azi`: I think it's there, called poor man's install or something like that. I installed booted from floppy. |
| 18:36.10 | jeward_ | azi`: Great for older machines without bootable CD. |
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| 18:36.26 | azi` | jeward_: that's like it : http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Frugal_Install |
| 18:36.30 | clever | i have a few pc's that would be usefull on |
| 18:36.37 | clever | one of which doesnt even have usb or cd |
| 18:36.39 | jeward_ | azi`: That sounds right. |
| 18:36.45 | clever | floppy only |
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| 18:36.52 | Flimqy | people still use floppies? |
| 18:36.57 | jeward_ | clever: I used tom's rdbd. |
| 18:37.00 | clever | 50mhz laptop |
| 18:37.04 | clever | grey scale display |
| 18:37.06 | clever | 20mb ram |
| 18:37.12 | Flimqy | Hmm |
| 18:37.15 | jeward_ | clever: It's a VERY nice one floppy linux. |
| 18:37.28 | Flimqy | I just picked up a 800Mhz tablet PC w/ 256mb, 30gb |
| 18:37.33 | Flimqy | and no removable media whatsoever |
| 18:37.44 | justin | Flimqy: probably can boot over pxe |
| 18:37.51 | clever | i can turn my laptop into a blind tablet |
| 18:37.51 | Flimqy | I should trade that in for a 50Mhz greyscale w/ 20mb RAM so I can use a floppy instead |
| 18:37.57 | Flimqy | justin: Of course. |
| 18:38.07 | clever | 2 screws and i can remove the lcd panel from my laptop:) |
| 18:38.35 | clever | then its just a keyboard with a cpu for the most part |
| 18:38.40 | pumpkin0 | Flimqy: take the HD out, put a debian-mirror and the netinstall on the HD, put the HD back in.... |
| 18:38.40 | zenwryly | what's the best way to print envelopes under linux? |
| 18:38.45 | clever | similar to the c64 |
| 18:38.55 | Flimqy | pumpkin0: netboot is much easier :P |
| 18:39.16 | clever | Flimqy: ive tryed to get a grub for netboot but i cant find the right files to test it |
| 18:39.30 | clever | so none of my grubs can load a kernel from the net |
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| 18:40.14 | lilferry | I cant play dvd's for some reason. Xine says /dev/dvd doesnt exist |
| 18:40.23 | lilferry | and it doesnt |
| 18:40.31 | crono- | try /dev/cdrom |
| 18:40.44 | lilferry | I did |
| 18:40.48 | lilferry | that doesnt work neither |
| 18:40.49 | Flimqy | Does anyone know if casper supports mounting multiple filesystems in the root union? or does it stop at the first one it finds? |
| 18:40.50 | clever | i was going to say make a symlink to the device |
| 18:41.02 | crono- | i was going to add that |
| 18:41.11 | clever | Flimqy: im guessing it would go with the first it finds |
| 18:41.19 | crono- | lilferry: does /dev/cdrom exist? |
| 18:41.24 | clever | but you could have a modified boot program in that |
| 18:41.25 | clever | which mounts more |
| 18:41.29 | Flimqy | clever: A guess isn't very helpful :) |
| 18:41.37 | eisen | zenwryly: oo.o has templates for such things |
| 18:41.46 | clever | ive used casper-rw on ubuntu before |
| 18:42.10 | clever | you can probly modifie a boot script within the first/all to find and union in the rest to be shure |
| 18:42.13 | Flimqy | well it looks like it at least examines all the filesystems |
| 18:42.20 | lilferry | yes crono- |
| 18:42.26 | lilferry | cdrom and cdrom1 |
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| 18:43.18 | lilferry | I have /dev/dvd1 |
| 18:43.18 | saftsack | what can there be a reason why my second network card is sometimes eth1 and sometimes eth2 after booting? |
| 18:43.19 | Flimqy | so presumably it *tries* to mount them all. I wonder what order it mounts them in, tho. |
| 18:43.31 | lilferry | I tryed making xine use /dev/dvd1 but that didnt work, it says the dvd is encrypted |
| 18:44.00 | Flimqy | lilferry: Most DVDs are encrypted. |
| 18:44.09 | lilferry | I know. |
| 18:44.11 | eisen | saftsack: it depends on the order the modules are loaded. You can alias a device name to the module name though |
| 18:44.22 | zenwryly | eisen: really? I couldn't find them. |
| 18:44.22 | Flimqy | Oh, indeed it does support multiple FS'es |
| 18:44.24 | lilferry | anyways, how do I fix this? |
| 18:44.27 | Flimqy | now to test to see what order they go in |
| 18:44.31 | clever | Flimqy: your script could find an id number within each part of the union and then using unionctl force the proper order in place |
| 18:44.36 | mortal5 | how do i remove a network interface? |
| 18:44.43 | cahoot | saftsack: if you use udev you might look into persistent-net.rules |
| 18:44.48 | crono- | lilalinux: this is debian? |
| 18:44.58 | mortal5 | I made a virtual interface with ifconfig, but I'm not sure how to make it go away, lol |
| 18:45.01 | Flimqy | clever: it would be ideal if it would just mount them in alphabetical order by filename. then I could order them 00.squashfs 01.dir 02.ext2, etc |
| 18:45.16 | lilferry | I can browse the dvd cd content from /media/cdrom0 |
| 18:45.18 | clever | Flimqy: the casper system i saw |
| 18:45.19 | saftsack | cahoot, thank you :) |
| 18:45.33 | clever | would only mount the file called casper-rw found in the root of a drive |
| 18:45.42 | clever | or a partiton named casper-rw |
| 18:45.57 | clever | either way you would need multiple partitions for it to mount |
| 18:46.04 | Flimqy | clever: current versions of casper look for files ending in .dir, .squashfs or .ext2 in /casper |
| 18:46.10 | crono- | lilalinux: i know this doesnt answer your question, but have you tried vlc |
| 18:46.24 | clever | i was reading on the ubuntu version |
| 18:46.24 | Flimqy | clever: And by examining the 'casper' script, it attempts to mount any and all of those folders into the union |
| 18:46.32 | Flimqy | s/folders/directories or disk images/ |
| 18:46.38 | lilferry | hmm, I think im missing the dvd plugin for xine |
| 18:46.39 | crono- | sorry, wrong nick. but perhaps xine is missing the css libraries for a reason... |
| 18:46.53 | Flimqy | clever: possibly, but I dunno. ubuntu invented it. |
| 18:46.53 | clever | the capser i saw was for persistance with a livecd |
| 18:46.54 | lilferry | I tought apt-get had allready sorted that out |
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| 18:46.59 | clever | lol |
| 18:47.04 | Flimqy | clever: Yes, that's waht casper is. |
| 18:47.09 | clever | :) |
| 18:47.22 | Flimqy | clever: Ubuntu 6.0.x which I downloaded yesterday uses the /casper directory |
| 18:47.26 | pumpkin0 | lilferry: do you have the unoffical repos in your source.lst ? |
| 18:47.27 | clever | lilferry: when i installed the package cpdvd and tryed to run it |
| 18:47.36 | Flimqy | clever: and appears to behave fundamentally the same as the version that comes in etch |
| 18:47.42 | clever | it pointed me to a readme which led to a script which autodownloaded the decryptors |
| 18:48.01 | eisen | zenwryly: I don't know what it's called in english since my version is german, but you can choose labels and such on New... |
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| 18:48.43 | lilferry | pumpkin0: no |
| 18:49.03 | zenwryly | eisen: I don't suppose you know what package that came from? I don't see it. |
| 18:49.36 | eisen | zenwryly: let me check... |
| 18:49.41 | pumpkin0 | lilferry: these slove a lot of multimedia problems.... see http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 18:50.07 | Flimqy | Okay, I created two squash fs's with colliding files |
| 18:50.11 | Flimqy | and will try unionizing them |
| 18:50.14 | Flimqy | and see what casper does |
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| 18:52.45 | eisen | zenwryly: oh, it's done differently for envelopes. You can insert an envelop with insert->envelop |
| 18:52.47 | piper69 | nm |
| 18:52.54 | zenwryly | eisen: ah, ok, thanks |
| 18:52.58 | zenwryly | eisen: sorry to bother you |
| 18:54.22 | lilferry | I dont have libdvdcss installed, is this needed to play dvd? |
| 18:54.50 | MatBoy | is it true that DRBD 0.8 is released ? |
| 18:55.03 | mortal5 | oh great debian elders, does anyone know if theres a way to make aptitude search *only* for the word in the search box, and not do partial matches? |
| 18:55.30 | Flimqy | $foo^ |
| 18:55.38 | Flimqy | does aptitude support regex? |
| 18:55.44 | mortal5 | I can't tell you how much it ticks me off to hit n fifty billion times trying to get "mc" |
| 18:55.58 | mortal5 | i dunno |
| 18:55.58 | Flimqy | mortal5: apt-get install mc |
| 18:56.05 | mortal5 | Flimqy, heh |
| 18:56.12 | mortal5 | I guess that would work |
| 18:56.23 | Flimqy | I can't tell you how much it ticks me off when aptitude breaks shit on my box... so I always do dpkg --purge aptitute on every new install :P |
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| 18:56.36 | Flimqy | or aptitude install mc |
| 18:56.48 | Flimqy | if you want to mantain aptitude's braindead database |
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| 18:57.30 | h3sp4wn | apitude doesn't break stuff you break it (either that or you cannot use aptitude correctlu) |
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| 19:01.39 | Elimin8-0 | knowing that ext3 and reiser filesystems exist, ¿which one would you advise to me to put? i know and use ext3, but i dont know the cualities and/or advantages of the reiser type. |
| 19:01.53 | mortal5 | I do love aptitude, mostly for it's rollback capibility |
| 19:01.56 | sepski | ext3 |
| 19:01.58 | jelly-home | Elimin8-0: ext3. |
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| 19:02.15 | mortal5 | xfs! :p |
| 19:02.23 | sepski | mortal5, it was not an option :) |
| 19:02.23 | pumpkin0 | Elimin8-0: reiser is usually faster, but if you lose 1 bit a reiserfs is lost and confused (there ext3 keeps on trucking). |
| 19:02.24 | KaiHanari | how do you add a program to be start on boot? |
| 19:02.34 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 19:02.35 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 19:03.05 | Elimin8-0 | pumpkin: is it possible to loose bits with reiserfs? |
| 19:03.25 | dendrite | Elimin8-0: You care to stop and think about what you're asking? |
| 19:03.39 | jelly-home | Elimin8-0: most of the relative avdantages of reiserfs to ext2 have been added to ext3 by now. This includes journaling and better handling of directories with lots of files. |
| 19:03.50 | mfrisch | Elimin8-0: all filesystems are subject to some corruption some are worse than others |
| 19:03.50 | sepski | Elimin8-0, yes |
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| 19:04.26 | sepski | Elimin8-0, if you consider using something else becouse you need feature X, you might want to check out some of the options you can use with ext3 |
| 19:04.28 | pumpkin0 | Elimin8-0: one little crash and the reiser-fs is toast. One wrong bit is all it takes. |
| 19:05.07 | mfrisch | pumpkin0: yeah I used it ONCE |
| 19:05.11 | Elimin8-0 | dendrite: why you say so? |
| 19:05.20 | sepski | i used it once too |
| 19:05.34 | dendrite | Elimin8-0: Because ALL SYSTEMS present the possibility of losing data. |
| 19:05.51 | dendrite | Elimin8-0: So, of course the answer has to be yes. |
| 19:06.05 | pumpkin0 | mfrisch: i tried to recover one that crashed on a friend. That thing will never ever get installed on a system i own. |
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| 19:06.12 | jelly-home | Elimin8-0: choosing a filesystem requires better research than asking on irc |
| 19:06.40 | dendrite | Elimin8-0: In general, if you don't know otherwise, just accept the defaults, and you will have a working system that treats you decently. |
| 19:07.03 | piper69 | how can i upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 19:07.08 | hark | !start a fs war |
| 19:07.09 | dpkg | ext3 is too slow! |
| 19:07.12 | dendrite | !sarge -> etch |
| 19:07.15 | sepski | Elimin8-0, point is. if you dont need a very spesific feature you allways use ext3. if you need something spesific you can start reserching. ext3 is the safe chooise |
| 19:07.23 | mfrisch | pumpkin0: I have had little trouble with ext3. |
| 19:07.31 | hark | !tell piper69 about sarge->etch |
| 19:07.49 | shiki-naki | http://freelance-job.blogspot.com/2007/01/tips-tricks-for-freelancers.html |
| 19:08.17 | pumpkin0 | mfrisch: yes, me too, but with ext3 you fire up sleuthkit and get your data back. With reiser ... ? |
| 19:08.21 | hark | piper69: might as well read the upgrading section of the etch release notes. |
| 19:08.30 | sepski | pumpkin0, you restore from backup |
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| 19:08.55 | mfrisch | pumpkin0: thats a good thing that it works |
| 19:08.57 | pumpkin0 | sepski: you still lose a day or 2. |
| 19:09.02 | sepski | pumpkin0, ofcouse |
| 19:09.06 | sepski | and some hair |
| 19:09.12 | sepski | and some patience. |
| 19:09.26 | sepski | but you learn :) and never install reiserfs again |
| 19:09.32 | pumpkin0 | sepski: with sleuthkit you just recover stuff changed in the last 2-3 days and merge that into the backup. |
| 19:09.35 | kupesoft | Or else your wife will get murdered! |
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| 19:12.12 | The_StalLion | hi - does anyone here have gmail? if so, please could you invite aperson85@hotmail.com thanks |
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| 19:12.20 | unseensoul | hi |
| 19:12.34 | azeem | The_StalLion: don't solicit this kind of stuff in here, please |
| 19:12.37 | azeem | this is a support channel |
| 19:12.57 | The_StalLion | just a question! |
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| 19:13.32 | Elimin8-0 | the answer to that question is no. |
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| 19:14.49 | charzero | If I have an x509 cert from a ca that I want to trust, what do I have to do other that stick it in /etc/ssl/certs ? |
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| 19:15.34 | mfrisch | charzero: at least point the programs to it. |
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| 19:17.54 | charzero | iceweasel doesn't use /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla? |
| 19:18.39 | dondelelcaro | it should be using /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 19:19.20 | rahul | it shold also be acknowledging middle-button clicks |
| 19:19.32 | rahul | but you have to hit it a few times before it does |
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| 19:20.13 | charzero | dondelelcaro: I have a ca cert that I put in /etc/ssl/certs and iceweasel doesn't seem to pick it up. If I import the CA with iceweasel running, it works as expected though. |
| 19:20.27 | KaiHanari | how do you add a program to be start on boot? |
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| 19:21.15 | dog | hy guy |
| 19:21.18 | dog | s |
| 19:21.39 | dog | how can i have bloc num on at the start? |
| 19:22.01 | markybob | KaiHanari, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 19:22.27 | piper69 | hark: can i pm you please |
| 19:22.33 | rahul | dog: ... be clear and specific |
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| 19:22.53 | pitillo | dog, changing it at bios? |
| 19:23.05 | markybob | dog i think what you're looking for is man setleds...if i understand what you're asking |
| 19:23.14 | dog | rahul: i would like to have bloc num turned on when my debian start |
| 19:23.22 | rahul | you mean numlock? |
| 19:23.29 | dog | yes |
| 19:23.33 | dog | i'm italian |
| 19:23.35 | dog | sorry |
| 19:23.53 | hark | piper69: why? |
| 19:23.53 | rahul | all is forgiven if you send me some fresh ravioli. |
| 19:23.53 | dog | on my pc it's called blocnum |
| 19:24.13 | dog | do you like ravioli? |
| 19:24.15 | charzero | aha! update-ca-certificates |
| 19:24.17 | dendrite | markybob: setleds -- does that set numlock, or just light the numlock lamp? |
| 19:24.20 | piper69 | hark: i want to show you what error i got |
| 19:24.27 | rahul | of course! everyone likes ravioli! |
| 19:24.30 | dendrite | dog: Look in your BIOS settings. |
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| 19:24.42 | dog | thanks dendrite |
| 19:24.45 | markybob | dendrite, it'll set the numlock status |
| 19:24.47 | rahul | dendrite: isn't that overridden by the kernel? |
| 19:25.06 | dendrite | rahul: Could be. |
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| 19:25.10 | dendrite | markybob: OK. |
| 19:25.23 | hark | piper69: pastebin the error here and you'll have more chances of it getting fixed. |
| 19:25.31 | charzero | or not. |
| 19:26.06 | dog | so rahul |
| 19:26.10 | hark | !tell piper69 about ask |
| 19:26.26 | dog | do you know another way? |
| 19:26.39 | markybob | nevermind that i already answered him. c'mon rahul... ;) |
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| 19:27.01 | rahul | heh |
| 19:27.06 | rahul | !penixstrike makrybub |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking makrybub to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:27.11 | jjazz | dog: numlockx |
| 19:27.30 | dog | i have to install it? |
| 19:27.48 | jjazz | dog: apt-get install numlockx |
| 19:27.52 | dog | ok |
| 19:28.03 | dog | thanks jjazz |
| 19:28.06 | jjazz | np |
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| 19:35.25 | x_link | What's the command to make a linux boot disc? |
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| 19:37.00 | Techdeck_ | x_link, debian is your bootdisk |
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| 19:37.06 | markybob | x_link, mkbimage ? depends what you want |
| 19:37.54 | x_link | Needs bar.i on a floppy. |
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| 19:39.48 | chops | x_link: If you already have a bootdisk image, then: |
| 19:40.02 | chops | x_link: dd if=whatever.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 19:40.05 | x_link | chops: I don't... it's for my friend. |
| 19:40.07 | chops | x_link: ... will do it. |
| 19:40.16 | x_link | He needs to do it on his Dos machine. |
| 19:40.25 | chops | x_link: google rawrite |
| 19:40.32 | x_link | ok |
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| 19:40.39 | azi` | damn the system i've installed (it pretends it's a debian clone) doesn't ship with apt-get.. is there any easy way this could be installed? |
| 19:40.50 | x_link | chops: He had problems with exact that, "rawrite" then |
| 19:41.04 | justin | azi`: dsl? |
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| 19:41.21 | x_link | chops: His PC doesn't know/get/understand rawrite |
| 19:41.37 | azi` | justin: indeed |
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| 19:41.59 | azi` | justin: it's quite lame |
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| 19:42.38 | azi` | justin: after the installation the system hasn't booted.. so i worked arround it an hour to notice the installation failed because of low disk space... with no warning from the installation procedure.. |
| 19:42.38 | justin | azi`: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-hd-install.html#apt-get |
| 19:42.41 | azi` | justin: and now, this |
| 19:42.46 | azi` | justin: thank you |
| 19:44.00 | azi` | justin: there's nothing useful on that page - already read it |
| 19:44.58 | Ronin | azi`: not to be obvious or anything but you asked in #dsl? |
| 19:45.18 | azi` | Ronin: i did |
| 19:45.23 | azi` | Ronin: the chan is dead as the distro |
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| 19:46.05 | moshii | azi`: don't use it then |
| 19:46.05 | Ronin | moshii: indeed |
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| 19:46.05 | azi` | yeah.. but i don't see any other alternative |
| 19:46.11 | moshii | azi`: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:46.12 | azi` | i need a really stripped system and i found dsl the most apropriate thing |
| 19:46.25 | piper69 | when i did ap-get update && apt-get distr-upgrade iget "Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz,404 Not Found,Reading Package Lists... Done,E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." |
| 19:46.28 | azi` | moshii: i need a stripped linux system (no X or such stuff) just to play some kernel hacking |
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| 19:46.54 | moshii | azi`: download the kernel sources, the grub sources and the busybox sources |
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| 19:47.11 | justin | azi`: so, you read that page, and ran the command it told you to run? |
| 19:47.17 | moshii | azi`: and look at one of the many linux on a floppy guides |
| 19:47.19 | azi` | justin: yup |
| 19:47.50 | hark | piper69: comment out that repository |
| 19:48.25 | piper69 | hark: i don't understand what you mean |
| 19:48.39 | moshii | azi`: you can easily create a minimal system with debootstrap and rm too |
| 19:48.51 | Quintin | is more buffer memory in a switch important ?? |
| 19:49.08 | azi` | moshii: it tought (wrong) it'll take less time to simply install that distro |
| 19:49.09 | eldowan | piper69: try running apt-get update twice or so, maybe it will be successful. If now, commend out the backport line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:49.22 | moshii | Quintin: if you need to buffer I suppose it is |
| 19:49.44 | Quintin | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817111012 |
| 19:49.53 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 19:49.53 | Quintin | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833129018 |
| 19:49.57 | eldowan | Quintin: Ideally, the switch won't need to buffer, as it *should* switch the packets near HW speed. |
| 19:50.00 | Quintin | moshii: what means buffer? |
| 19:50.03 | Quintin | okie |
| 19:50.05 | Quintin | I buy cheaper one then |
| 19:50.06 | moshii | azi`: but if you're doing "kernel hacking" you should be able to build a busybox system in an hour or so |
| 19:50.37 | eldowan | Quintin: buffer means to hold until the data can be transferred correctly, without overflowing the endpoint |
| 19:50.59 | eldowan | Quintin: it is used in CDwriting programs, switches, routers, and many other things. |
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| 19:51.08 | moshii | eldowan: if the switch is buffering does that stop tcp/ip's flow control from working? |
| 19:51.10 | hark | piper69: there's no etch-backports right now. Hence the 404 |
| 19:51.19 | Quintin | why doesn't htis thing have like 64mB bufferE? RAM is cheap! :P |
| 19:51.21 | eldowan | moshii: I wouldn't have a clue |
| 19:51.23 | azi` | moshii: yes, but then, if i need something like vim, or some other shit.. i don't want to compile everything by hand etc.. |
| 19:51.25 | Quintin | is that an ok switch? The d-link? |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | ask #hardware or #networking .. not #debian |
| 19:51.37 | moshii | azi`: all in buzybox iirc |
| 19:51.42 | eldowan | Quintin: The reviews on the N82....1012 seem to think so. |
| 19:51.50 | Quintin | "switching method: store and forward" .. wtf? :) |
| 19:51.52 | justin | Quintin: buy a gigabit switch |
| 19:52.00 | abrotman | Quintin: ask #networking please |
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| 19:52.03 | moshii | azi`: a single binary that contains everything from init to an editor :P |
| 19:52.08 | eldowan | Quintin: 'store and forward' like buffer I think. |
| 19:52.27 | Quintin | justin: that's $250 or so though.. and only 1 or 2 clients on this network have gigabit NICs |
| 19:52.48 | justin | Quintin: so? |
| 19:52.48 | moshii | Quintin: Just don't buy dlink hoho |
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| 19:53.10 | eldowan | I'm about fed up w/ dlink myself |
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| 19:54.34 | piper69 | commetiong the backport work |
| 19:55.15 | piper69 | quick question about vnc client, how can i exit from fullscreen mode in vnc clinet please |
| 19:55.28 | Quintin | justin: There is no justification for additional cost |
| 19:55.32 | Quintin | moshii: don't like dlink? |
| 19:55.55 | pumpkin0 | piper69: ctrl-alt-F1 => login as root => kill the vncclient. |
| 19:55.57 | hark | !dlink |
| 19:55.57 | dpkg | from memory, dlink is the worst wireless access point manufacture, buy one if you dont want to walk over 30 feet away from the AP. too special to bother to give their wireless cards unique names, or http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357 |
| 19:56.01 | moshii | Quintin: To be honest, the dlink stuff if generally shite |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | hark: which isn't true .. mine works great ... |
| 19:56.16 | abrotman | if you want real garbage .. get linksys! |
| 19:56.21 | hark | !factinfo dlink |
| 19:56.22 | dpkg | dlink -- last modified at Fri Jun 30 08:32:37 2006 by Gnea!i=gnea@2001:5c0:8ef3:0:0:0:0:1; it has been requested 3 times, last by hark, 24s ago. |
| 19:56.40 | moshii | abrotman: the older WRT's are a good example of a decent AP |
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| 19:56.45 | El|V\oNKo | hello everyone |
| 19:56.49 | El|V\oNKo | is it still required to have the SSH and Debain versions listed in sshd version info? ie -sV |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | moshii: because you can flash them ... |
| 19:56.55 | El|V\oNKo | i check a long time ago and it was used to help establish ssh links |
| 19:56.57 | piper69 | pumpkin0: that didn't work |
| 19:57.05 | moshii | abrotman: and the hardware isn't total poo |
| 19:57.13 | pumpkin0 | piper69: why ? (what error-msg ? ) |
| 19:57.22 | abrotman | moshii: to each his own .. my dlink stuff works perfectly fine |
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| 19:57.33 | abrotman | 30ft away downstairs and through a brick wall |
| 19:57.35 | piper69 | pumpkin0: no error just nothing happen |
| 19:58.01 | piper69 | pumpkin0: i am running the client in a windows box |
| 19:58.32 | hark | heh |
| 19:58.47 | moshii | I'd never use dlink with a network bigger than 4 machines.. |
| 19:59.03 | piper69 | pumpkin0: thank you for trying to help me , but i find it it's F8 |
| 19:59.23 | pumpkin0 | piper69: you run the client on windows and ask in #debian ? why ? |
| 19:59.43 | cahoot | so - is there *any* consumer grade wifi router worth bying? |
| 19:59.43 | justin | Quintin: at leat get a switch with gig uplinks on it |
| 19:59.53 | justin | cahoot: one that you can reflash |
| 20:00.37 | cahoot | justin: what is the real benefit from that? |
| 20:00.44 | moshii | cahoot: the belkin ones can withstand being stepped on it that's worth anything ;{ |
| 20:00.54 | zinx | cahoot: 'cause at least the software won't suck? :D |
| 20:01.04 | rahul | cahoot: don't use it as a router, use it as a switch |
| 20:01.09 | rahul | use a linux box as a router. |
| 20:01.14 | Quintin | justin: shrug. this one is cheap! |
| 20:01.27 | justin | Quintin: you can get cheap ones with gig ports |
| 20:01.34 | justin | cahoot: features |
| 20:01.41 | hark | !start a router war |
| 20:01.59 | cahoot | justin: ok it was an honest question - thanks |
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| 20:02.06 | hark | hmm, should make one.. |
| 20:02.16 | Quintin | most commercial routers suck |
| 20:02.22 | Quintin | the consumer ones anyway. wrt54g, etc |
| 20:02.31 | Quintin | boooooorrrrrrrinnnnnnngggg. my fbsd router is way better <3 |
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| 20:02.51 | justin | Quintin: the wrt54g also pays for itself in saved energy costs |
| 20:03.09 | justin | moshii: people want wireless |
| 20:03.24 | moshii | justin: for no other reason than to say they have it |
| 20:03.37 | hark | moshii: not true |
| 20:03.39 | pumpkin0 | wrt54g has one big advantage: a more-or-less free linux firmware. |
| 20:03.52 | moshii | pumpkin0: if you get one that doesn't run vxworks |
| 20:04.07 | MatBoy | What is a good scalable NFS solution like the way NetApp works ? But than with Linux and a lot of disks in servers ? |
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| 20:04.22 | pumpkin0 | moshii: if you buy the non-linux edition ... well you made an error. |
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| 20:04.40 | moshii | hark: one of the local isps here seems to be installing wireless routers into home that have one fixed desktop pc |
| 20:05.05 | moshii | hark: there are 228 aps in walking distance from my house hah |
| 20:05.52 | moshii | pumpkin0: non-linux edition, i thought linksys changed all the wrts to designs with less ram/flash that run vxworks |
| 20:06.03 | justin | moshii: the most I ever saw at once was when I was in downtown LA with high powered wireless card on the 15th floor.... |
| 20:06.05 | moshii | pumpkin0: there was a special "linux" one for a while |
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| 20:06.11 | justin | moshii: kismet was up to over 1000 before I closed it |
| 20:06.14 | pumpkin0 | moshii: the general internet speed would go up if people shared and reduced the number of APs ... |
| 20:06.36 | pumpkin0 | moshii: it is still sold around here. |
| 20:07.21 | hark | the wrt54gl is the linux version |
| 20:07.38 | moshii | justin: I use a standard *dlink* pcmcia adaptor, a bluetooth gps and kismet, the results are shocking |
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| 20:08.14 | pumpkin0 | moshii: how many unprotected (counting the WEP as unprotected) ? |
| 20:08.18 | moshii | justin: when you lay it on to google earth and see that there are 4 aps in the same building in the same channel ;P |
| 20:08.41 | moshii | pumpkin0: haven't seen a WPA protected network here yet |
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| 20:09.12 | moshii | pumpkin0: saying that mine is open, but to do anything you have to get onto the openvpn running over the top |
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| 20:10.40 | pumpkin0 | moshii: It is the same here. I can walk from work to home (4 km) w/o losing the internet connection for a single second. the roaming changes the IP a bit, so browsing is hard,... but oh well. |
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| 20:11.36 | CosmoDad | I'm trying desperately to rename my wifi interface using udev: It works flawlessly when I remove the ipw2100 module and reinsert but fails to do any renaming right after boot-up... can anyone help? |
| 20:11.40 | moshii | pumpkin0: I wonder if I can do that while changing countries on my way to work, might try tomorrow :) |
| 20:11.52 | HymnToLife | !ifrename |
| 20:11.52 | dpkg | it has been said that ifrename is a utility which sets interface names based on parameters such as MAC address. Very handy if different kernels or kernel modules assign different identifiers to your interfaces, or just to make your firewall rules more readable. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546 |
| 20:12.22 | CosmoDad | HymnToLife: isn't the udev-way supposed to be better? |
| 20:12.23 | cahoot | CosmoDad: using persistent-net.rules ? |
| 20:12.24 | pumpkin0 | moshii: it does not work if i drive, the cars moves to fast ... |
| 20:12.37 | CosmoDad | cahoot: no, I made my own rule file |
| 20:12.57 | cahoot | CosmoDad: the use that as model? |
| 20:13.23 | CosmoDad | cahoot: I'm renaming based on MAC address if that is what you mean... ? |
| 20:13.34 | El|V\oNKo | can anyone tell me if i can turn off the ssh and debian version in the sshd header? |
| 20:13.45 | moshii | pumpkin0: should work fine then,.. dunno if there are any aps around the runway I have to walk across though :P |
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| 20:14.00 | unseensoul | i can i access to a linux box with vino? is there any gui for this purpose? |
| 20:14.08 | unseensoul | s/i/how |
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| 20:14.27 | cahoot | CosmoDad: this works here: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:18:6e:2c:c4:3a", ATTRS{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0" |
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| 20:14.51 | Supaplex | CosmoDad: I think I ignored ifrename. See http://rafb.net/p/SIW2il38.html |
| 20:15.07 | ucordes | hi all |
| 20:15.16 | Supaplex | unseensoul: what is vino? |
| 20:15.37 | ucordes | vino is not vine |
| 20:15.39 | CosmoDad | cahoot: let me try... |
| 20:16.09 | Supaplex | unseensoul: oh, well apparently it's a vnc server. you need a vnc client. |
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| 20:16.35 | unseensoul | Supaplex, do you advice me one? |
| 20:16.43 | Supaplex | !tell unseensoul -about search |
| 20:16.53 | CosmoDad | Supaplex: do you really need that local-interfaces file? cause I don't have it |
| 20:17.07 | unseensoul | eheh thanks |
| 20:17.10 | Supaplex | CosmoDad: it might be a relic. |
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| 20:18.20 | Supaplex | I forget what obsticle I had, but with the vlans and aliased interfaces, something didn't play nice. |
| 20:19.22 | sphenxes | what is the minimum time to update temp with sensor command, is it 10 sec or 2sec |
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| 20:20.39 | CosmoDad | cahoot: doesn't work over here. Where did you position that file lexically? |
| 20:21.10 | cahoot | CosmoDad: stole it form my persistent-net.rules |
| 20:22.43 | Mark_Iron | Hi - I'm looking for ThinkPad T60p (uxga 1600x1200) -any idea where to get it ? |
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| 20:24.27 | vlt | Hello (again). I'm gonna move a Debian Sarge installation to another disk. The new disk contains /boot in hda1 and / in an LVM volume which is on top of an md (raid1). Because simply copying files (after partitioning and installing grub), modifying /etc/fstab and /grub/menu.lst didn't work---current initrd seems to be not md and lvm capable---I installed a fresh minimal Debian on the new disk which now successfully boots from hda1 |
| 20:24.27 | vlt | and /dev/mapper/vg-root. Now I'd copy all files exept /boot/* and /etc/fstab to the new partitions. A) Will that work? B) Which files from the new md/LVM capable system should I keep (I think of the next kernel security fix and possible initrd replacement)? |
| 20:24.27 | Ronin | Mark_Iron: local computer store? |
| 20:24.28 | ram____ | hey i have problem with debian with nmap, can some one help me regard |
| 20:24.28 | CosmoDad | cahoot: so you modified that file such that is uses wlan0 instead of eth*? |
| 20:24.28 | Mark_Iron | no chance Ronin ;( |
| 20:24.28 | cahoot | CosmoDad: right |
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| 20:24.49 | cahoot | CosmoDad: maybe one needs to restart udev to make the effect |
| 20:24.53 | justin | vlt: you need to shorted that question so it makes sense |
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| 20:25.28 | CosmoDad | cahoot: doesn't change a thing for me... |
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| 20:25.58 | vlt | justin: Mmh, that's not easy ... |
| 20:26.44 | vlt | Ok, step by step: I have a running Debian Sarge I want to move to an LVM on RAID disk. |
| 20:27.20 | cahoot | CosmoDad: my knowledge on the subject is thin and exhausted |
| 20:27.28 | vlt | I tried to copy the old files to the new partitions, modified /etc/fstab and grub but got kernel panic. |
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| 20:27.58 | vlt | I think the problem is initrd which I haven't touched yet |
| 20:28.47 | vlt | So I installed a fresh Debian on LVM on RAID that boots fine. |
| 20:29.16 | vlt | Now I want to copy all old files to the new system (and replace it). |
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| 20:29.39 | vlt | I know I have to keep the new /boot and the /etc/fstab |
| 20:30.12 | CosmoDad | cahoot: thanks anyway |
| 20:30.59 | vlt | Question: What else must I keep from the new system to prevent next kernel update destroying the lvm/raid initrd? |
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| 20:31.40 | Supaplex | backups! ;) |
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| 20:31.54 | lilferry | vlt: how did you copy your system? |
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| 20:33.03 | unseensoul | what's port map? |
| 20:33.22 | vlt | lilferry: I'm gonna copy "/*" exept /boot and /etc/fstab to the new / |
| 20:33.32 | sepski | unseensoul, man portmap |
| 20:33.43 | lilferry | vlt: why are you not copying boot and /etc/fstab? |
| 20:33.56 | Supaplex | !tell unseensoul about portmap |
| 20:34.18 | unseensoul | thank you |
| 20:35.00 | justin | vlt: /etc/mkinitrd maybe, the kernel symlinks in / |
| 20:35.08 | vlt | lilferry: Because the old /boot contains a non lvm and raid capable initrd, grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab doesn't know /dev/md0 and /dev/mapper/vg-root |
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| 20:36.05 | vlt | justin: Is /etc/mkinitrd used to create the new initrd when apt updates/fixes kernel? |
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| 20:36.54 | opensores | how can i install the latest version of Open Office on Sarge? |
| 20:37.02 | vlt | justin: The kernel symlinks in / are identical because the new /boot is mounted from /dev/md0 into the root fs. |
| 20:37.17 | justin | vlt: sort of used, yeah |
| 20:38.06 | x_link | I need a new mobo, is Asus M2N-E a good one? |
| 20:38.08 | x_link | http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=321113 |
| 20:38.10 | x_link | That one. |
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| 20:40.26 | pestilence | i have a ubuntu nfs client connecting to a debian stable nfs server -- most of the time it works ok, but occasionally i get a "refused mount" |
| 20:40.43 | pestilence | the log on the debian server says the reason is : illegal port 34834 |
| 20:40.47 | mfrisch | x_link: see what chipset it uses and if they are on the hardware list |
| 20:40.55 | Svenstaro | maybe it's already bound, pestilence |
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| 20:41.10 | x_link | mfrisch: It use nForce 570 |
| 20:41.13 | Svenstaro | do a nmap on yourself or check inetd to see what ports are used. |
| 20:41.25 | pestilence | from googling, it sounds like ubuntu is patched to use unprivileged ports whereas debian is not |
| 20:41.31 | x_link | mfrisch: If you have time and want to then please take a look at the URL =) |
| 20:41.38 | mfrisch | x_link: i like sis but i'm old school |
| 20:41.40 | pestilence | however, i have no idea how to change what ports ubuntu or debian uses |
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| 20:41.41 | blondie | pestilence: patched? you mean broken |
| 20:41.48 | pestilence | blondie: could be that too :) |
| 20:42.09 | blondie | sounds like you might want to ask #ubuntu as it's probably a client issue |
| 20:42.17 | x_link | ok |
| 20:42.33 | x_link | mfrisch: I just want to know if it's any good or what=) |
| 20:42.35 | Svenstaro | If debian reports it's an illegal port I think it's debian sided. |
| 20:42.50 | blondie | eh? how do you figure that? |
| 20:42.54 | x_link | I have a asus M2NPV-VM chipset nForce 430 right now |
| 20:42.56 | x_link | And it sucks |
| 20:43.02 | blondie | the client is doing something wrong, debian machine reports that. |
| 20:43.04 | blondie | fix the client |
| 20:43.05 | Svenstaro | Just check inetd or nmap for the local ports, pestilence |
| 20:43.08 | mfrisch | x_link: are you from norge? |
| 20:43.18 | x_link | mfrisch: Sweden |
| 20:43.52 | h3sp4wn | x_link: What is wrong with that board ? I had a few issues with an nforce 550 chipset - contacted gigabyte and they gave me a new fixed bios within a day |
| 20:44.01 | mfrisch | x_link: aah there so close and couldn't begin to read them, My mother is from olso |
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| 20:44.18 | mfrisch | x_link: what processor do you want? |
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| 20:44.38 | pestilence | Svenstaro: nmap reports the server is listening on 2049/tcp for nfs, which sounds right. |
| 20:44.45 | Svenstaro | Yeah. |
| 20:44.48 | pestilence | but isn't the port negotiated by RPC? |
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| 20:44.57 | pestilence | i really don't understand how it works, which is why i'm here :-/ |
| 20:45.19 | Svenstaro | Don't know that, sorry, I always thought it was TCP bound and it would terminate if it couldn't get it. |
| 20:45.26 | x_link | mfrisch: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2Ghx |
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| 20:47.16 | pestilence | and the reason i came here (in addition to #ubuntu) is that the #ubuntu channel is usually overfull and mainly newbs :) |
| 20:47.49 | zinx | ugh |
| 20:48.11 | CosmoDad | I need to modify a value in /sys/ before a particular module is being loaded. How'd I do that? |
| 20:48.20 | CosmoDad | (during bootup) |
| 20:48.27 | h3sp4wn | nfs at least traditionally used udp |
| 20:48.37 | vlt | justin: Both /etc/mkinitrd/ are identical. |
| 20:48.52 | pestilence | in an unrelated problem on the debian stable server, i'm getting these: |
| 20:48.54 | pestilence | kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
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| 20:49.10 | sepski | pestilence, have you tried with "insecure" in the exports file. or if ubuntu mount support -P ? |
| 20:49.11 | hannes_ | hello, i would like to substitude all + with linefeeds. s/+/\n/g gives me the two letters \ and n and does not do what i want. what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:49.14 | pestilence | followed by the interface going down and coming back up, although half the time it doesn't come back up properly |
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| 20:49.22 | mfrisch | x_link: except for graphics nvidia's chipsets are less supported than sis (which I'm sure a similar board will) in linux. My board is a k8v-x se but its another socket. It runs allright |
| 20:49.25 | blondie | hannes_: using what program? |
| 20:49.32 | hannes_ | blondie vim |
| 20:49.49 | justin | hannes_: type control-v+enter instead of \n |
| 20:50.01 | hannes_ | justin ok |
| 20:50.26 | blondie | #vim? :P |
| 20:51.08 | pestilence | sepski: no, i haven't tried that. something about putting "insecure" in my exports file turns me off, though :) |
| 20:51.27 | sepski | pestilence, then you should fix the client :) |
| 20:51.35 | pestilence | sepski: i agree. |
| 20:51.40 | yalu | people, if I plug a speedtouch usb modem into a Debian box, what will happen? do I need other packages besides the ppp daemon |
| 20:51.43 | sepski | check if it supports -P |
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| 20:52.02 | pestilence | the funny thing is, i ran into this problem when trying to debug my "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" problem |
| 20:52.18 | x_link | mfrisch: Okey, I just called the guy with the mobo. He sold it yesterday. |
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| 20:53.42 | CosmoDad | I need to modify a value in /sys/ before a particular module is being loaded during bootup. Where would I put the echo? |
| 20:53.54 | justin | CosmoDad: sounds like an odd thing to want to do |
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| 20:54.40 | mfrisch | x_link: get a motherboard based on your needs not speed or flash research |
| 20:54.51 | CosmoDad | justin: it's not: I need to increase the firmware timeout interval of my wlan adapter as the default value is too low |
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| 20:55.05 | CosmoDad | justin: and I need to do that before my ipw2100 driver gets loaded |
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| 20:55.32 | x_link | mfrisch: Yeah. |
| 20:55.41 | justin | CosmoDad: can you write to the file before all modules are loaded, or does it have to be done between modules? |
| 20:55.57 | justin | CosmoDad: this also sounds like the kind of thing that should be fixed in the driver itself, not with a hack :) |
| 20:56.10 | mfrisch | x_link: have some lingonberries for me |
| 20:56.12 | CosmoDad | justin: it just has to be done before ipw2100 gets loaded, that's all |
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| 20:56.44 | CosmoDad | justin: the ipw2100 driver devs say the prob is related to "some kernel configurations" |
| 20:56.55 | justin | CosmoDad: then any initscript that runs before S20modules should do it |
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| 20:57.19 | tribbin | Hey there, muine the only relevant program that uses (old) gstreamer0.8. Should this be bug-reported for release-critical? |
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| 20:58.03 | CosmoDad | justin: so I'll add something to /etc/rcS.d/ -- thanks |
| 20:58.05 | tribbin | The update for muine is pending in unstable for some time. |
| 20:58.11 | x_link | mfrisch: hehe |
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| 20:59.44 | SpeedyG | hey, i'm trying to find some text in all files in a directory and its subdirectory, so I should probably do somethign with grep.. but I dont know how :/ grep -R 'thingimsearching' doesnt give any results even tho i'm sure it's somewhere in there |
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| 21:00.01 | hannes_ | how can i compare two or three files if they containe same words? |
| 21:00.03 | devilma1 | can anyone tell me why I might have a bunch of files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/Etc that, when I do ls -la, list like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? |
| 21:00.12 | mfrisch | hannes_: diff |
| 21:00.12 | justin | SpeedyG: whate exactly did you run? |
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| 21:00.26 | enouf | x_link: why that Mobo? |
| 21:00.27 | justin | devilma1: filesystem corruption? |
| 21:00.28 | hannes_ | mfrisch can it give me a word which occurs in all the three files? |
| 21:00.47 | SpeedyG | justin: grep -R '-EINVAL' fs/ |
| 21:00.56 | Gathond | devilma1: I've seen that on NFS shares sometimes, My guess has always been some wierd non std letters in the name somewhere |
| 21:00.56 | mfrisch | hannes_: you want grep it searches |
| 21:00.56 | SpeedyG | but it start jabbing about invalid function N |
| 21:01.17 | justin | SpeedyG: that is the same as grep -r -EINVAL fs/ |
| 21:01.19 | hannes_ | mfrisch: i dont understand "grep it searaches" |
| 21:01.28 | justin | you need grep -r -- -EVINVAL fs/ |
| 21:01.42 | hannes_ | justin is this comment for me_ |
| 21:01.45 | SpeedyG | hm, the -- would 'tell' grep that its the end of the options? :) |
| 21:02.05 | x_link | enouf: I just saw it on a site, a guy wanted to sell it. |
| 21:02.06 | mfrisch | hannes_: you would use grep to search through the files for an occurance of a word |
| 21:02.10 | enouf | x_link: quick review calls it crappy .. |
| 21:02.28 | hannes_ | yes, but i'm looking for something that could parse all three files and tell me if one of the entries occure twice |
| 21:02.35 | devilma1 | Gathond, justin: I don't have NFS shares on this system, but would corruption also explain why I can't chattr +I /bin/ls (chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /bin/ls)? |
| 21:02.39 | enouf | x_link: meaning .. some issues, though asus generally makes decent products |
| 21:02.45 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:02.47 | x_link | I will not get it |
| 21:02.54 | mfrisch | enouf: its got nvidia controllers bull |
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| 21:03.10 | enouf | x_link: stay away from the newest nvidia "chipsets" as mfrisch mentioned |
| 21:03.19 | x_link | Alright |
| 21:03.23 | x_link | Thanks for the info =) |
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| 21:03.47 | enouf | x_link: what's your CPU again ? and AMD64 3200? s939? |
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| 21:05.30 | SpeedyG | justin: thanks :) that worked |
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| 21:05.44 | SpeedyG | (only thing is that the result didnt help me any further :( ) |
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| 21:07.15 | piper69 | Error reading from server Remote end closed connection |
| 21:07.15 | piper69 | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 21:10.28 | x_link | enouf: pm |
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| 21:11.22 | mortal5 | how would I trick a server into running on a specific interface/ip? |
| 21:12.22 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: have it bind to that ip |
| 21:12.27 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: how you do that depends on the server. |
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| 21:13.09 | mortal5 | dondelelcaro, what about one that i wrote myself? |
| 21:13.29 | mortal5 | a simple echo server for a network class |
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| 21:14.56 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: so instead of creating an INADDR_ANY socket, you create a socket on a particular address. man 7 ip; for details. |
| 21:15.18 | mortal5 | 7?!? I didn't know they went that high |
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| 21:16.38 | ucordes | how can i find a file? |
| 21:16.47 | dondelelcaro | find / -type f -name 'file' |
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| 21:18.41 | piper69 | what does it mean "try with --fix-missing?" |
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| 21:19.40 | speyer | does anyone know how to make atacontrol mode PIO4 load automaticly at boot ? |
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| 21:25.10 | jcole | i'm trying to use the debian ps3 live cd and having a hard time trying to figure out the hdmi->dvi connection to my lcd |
| 21:25.12 | pestilence | do i have to build my own kernel to have something newer than 2.6.8 in debian stable? |
| 21:25.28 | jcole | pestilence: what about backports? |
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| 21:25.45 | pestilence | jcole: i looked, there doesn't seem to be one |
| 21:25.51 | lilferry | when im configuring my kernel drivers, and I look for tv-card drivers, I can only see one driver under the "MPEG video encoders", shouldnt there be more drivers? |
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| 21:26.33 | lilferry | and is MPEG video encoders even the appropriate drivers for a tv-card? |
| 21:26.49 | Flimqy | lilferry: that's a very good qustion... that I'm sure absolutely nobody here has any way of knowing the answer to... since we don't know your hardware. |
| 21:26.51 | jcole | pestilence: hmm, you may need to add some deb-src lines pointing to testing and apt-get source the kernel you need |
| 21:26.59 | Flimqy | lilferry: If your tv card is an MPEG encoder, it is. |
| 21:27.04 | pestilence | jcole: :-/ |
| 21:27.21 | mfrisch | lilferry: you want bttv or video4linux |
| 21:27.24 | pestilence | i was really surprised that there aren't any kernel backports |
| 21:27.43 | lilferry | mfrisch: I know that |
| 21:27.54 | lilferry | mfrisch: but I still need a driver for my card |
| 21:27.58 | pestilence | wait...is the package called "linux" in testing? |
| 21:28.02 | Flimqy | lilferry: What card do you have? |
| 21:28.03 | jcole | pestilence: kernel backports are a bit more tricky... why do you need something "newer"? |
| 21:28.19 | Flimqy | lilferry: bttv and video4linux *are* drivers for tv cards |
| 21:28.34 | pestilence | it looks like they are named "linux-image", not "kernel-image" as i had been searching. so they do exist. |
| 21:28.36 | mfrisch | Flimqy: thank you |
| 21:28.50 | pestilence | i need it because there is a bug in the e1000 driver in the 2.6.8 kernel that stable uses. |
| 21:28.56 | Flimqy | lilferry: More accurately, bttv is a driver, that is part of the video4linux suite of drivers |
| 21:29.05 | lilferry | Flimpqy: 05:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| 21:29.08 | lilferry | 05:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05 |
| 21:29.09 | jcole | lilferry: i have to do a "modprobe saa7134 card=42" per dmesg |
| 21:29.31 | Flimqy | lilferry: Okay... google for CX23880 and see what driver you need. |
| 21:29.49 | pestilence | jcole: so should i try using a backported kernel? or am i asking for trouble |
| 21:29.58 | CosmoDad | is it possible to call a script/program prior to the loading of a driver through udev? |
| 21:30.15 | justin | lilferry: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 21:30.28 | lilferry | Flimqy: I think I allready know which it is |
| 21:30.37 | Flimqy | lilferry: then what's the problem? |
| 21:30.56 | lilferry | Flimqy: but I selected "auto select" last time I compiled, and the card didnt work |
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| 21:31.21 | jcole | pestilence: debian has changed the way it installs and configures kernels a few times in the past, so that may be why they don't backport them |
| 21:31.22 | mfrisch | lilferry: which app |
| 21:31.40 | lilferry | autoselect under "video capture adapters" |
| 21:31.52 | jcole | jcole: i've built stuff from testing many times without a problem |
| 21:32.03 | jcole | ^^^ pestilence |
| 21:32.13 | mfrisch | lilferry: thats from an app which app |
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| 21:32.29 | enouf | x_link: talk openly in the channel .. as long as the channel moms don't see hardware discussion as being disruptive .. so 1st thing is (since I don't have much am2/core2duo mobo exp.) is google for AM2 Motherboards reviewed read all you can .. then start looking using Linux related keywords |
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| 21:33.27 | lilferry | mfrisch: VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO |
| 21:33.27 | Flimqy | lilferry: Where did you find an "auto select" option during a kernel compilation? |
| 21:33.53 | Flimqy | pestilence: You should be able to use a newer kernel on debian stable. |
| 21:33.56 | x_link | enouf: OKey |
| 21:33.56 | enouf | x_link: i actually have been doing just that over the last ten minutes, and it ain't looking great .. but I'm sure there's a decent solution out there 'somewhere' :-) .. whatcha using now as a mobo? |
| 21:34.15 | mfrisch | x_link: goto the different reviews newegg ebay etc then go to the operating systems hardware page too |
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| 21:34.22 | pestilence | Flimqy: do i have to build it myself or are the backports safe to use? |
| 21:34.24 | x_link | Asus M2PNV-VM |
| 21:34.33 | x_link | I will |
| 21:34.40 | Flimqy | pestilence: If there are backports, they should be fine. I prefer to build myself, tho. |
| 21:34.41 | lilferry | on the driver I think works for my card it says; Selected by: VIDEO_CX88_BLACKBIRD && VIDEO_DEV && VIDEO_CX88 does this mean those drivers follows with the one im selecting? |
| 21:34.42 | x_link | I know that I will find a good mobo |
| 21:34.43 | x_link | bbs |
| 21:34.48 | pestilence | Flimqy: ok, thanks |
| 21:34.48 | x_link | Tanks alot for everything |
| 21:35.10 | enouf | x_link: plus others may have very useful info .. plus you'd be helping any lurkers/squatters looking to learn .. you see? Open-ness is best :-) |
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| 21:36.42 | enouf | x_link: I'm starting to get a bit pissed at AMD .. with the Ati buyout, MS Crapola made Websites, and this nVidia chipset goofiness .. they're starting to get on my bad side :-) |
| 21:36.55 | jcole | pestilence: backports are just basically newer software built with older libs for stable compatibility |
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| 21:37.15 | enouf | x_link: so what issues with your Mobo are you having? |
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| 21:37.47 | pestilence | jcole: right, it just gets confusing when the way kernels are built and managed changes. |
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| 21:38.27 | jcole | pestilence: does 2.6.8 miss a driver you need? |
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| 21:38.57 | pestilence | jcole: it doesn't miss it, it apparently has a bug, though |
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| 21:39.08 | pestilence | i'm trying to see if a newer kernel would fix it |
| 21:39.36 | pestilence | jcole: i get this in /var/log/messages: |
| 21:39.39 | pestilence | "kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 21:39.54 | pestilence | followed by the interface going down and coming back up. although sometimes it doesn't come back up |
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| 21:40.04 | pestilence | i found this from 2004: |
| 21:40.05 | pestilence | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2004-01/6776.html |
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| 21:40.14 | pestilence | which suggests to me it's been fixed in a more recent kernel |
| 21:40.27 | Flimqy | pestilence: Sounds like you may have a bad ethernet cable or hub/switch... or just a confused driver. |
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| 21:40.40 | ruben | Hi, using gnome, what is the way to change the icon on the left from Applications? |
| 21:40.57 | pestilence | the cable, maybe. the switch...i sure hope not...it's an expensive switch, and almost brand new. |
| 21:41.34 | Flimqy | pestilence: Send it to me and I'll test it for you ;) |
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| 21:41.45 | pestilence | Flimqy: ha ha ha. |
| 21:41.54 | Flimqy | pestilence: No charge |
| 21:42.04 | Flimqy | pestilence: I'll even pay shipping both ways!* |
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| 21:42.14 | Flimqy | *I only pay return shipping if I determine the switch *is* functional and worth returning :P |
| 21:42.20 | pestilence | Flimqy: so generous |
| 21:42.44 | lilferry | do I also need to get a sound driver for my tv-card? |
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| 21:43.02 | pestilence | why don't you just give me your name, address, and social security number, and i'll ship it right out to you |
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| 21:43.24 | Flimqy | tehehehe |
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| 21:45.46 | lilferry | do I need to compile a sound driver for my tv-card too? |
| 21:46.17 | mfrisch | pestilence: I also will need your bank account and master card number so I can update your password |
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| 21:47.55 | abrotman | ruben: which icon ? |
| 21:48.37 | mfrisch | lilferry: no they are separate if your sound works it works |
| 21:48.59 | ruben | mfrisch: the icon on the left-top from gnome |
| 21:49.04 | lilferry | aye |
| 21:49.13 | ruben | <icon> Applications mfrisch |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | ruben: the applications menu icon ? the foot ? |
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| 21:50.31 | ruben | yes |
| 21:50.41 | ruben | Any idea how to change it? |
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| 21:51.03 | abrotman | right click on the menu and chang eit? maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 21:51.54 | Coke | Hello. I just installed python-orbit2 (testing) and it installed the Python stuff in /usr/share/pycentral/python-omniorb2/site-packages, why is that? Isn't that very wrong? |
| 21:51.56 | sorl_ | hm.. i am trying wget to get on specific view from a site including images, but i am not succeeding... |
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| 21:52.09 | sorl_ | anyone know wget good? |
| 21:52.21 | bib | nobody |
| 21:52.27 | sorl_ | like it doesnt capture images on other servers |
| 21:52.33 | sorl_ | bib, :) |
| 21:52.56 | bib | many servers have rules to kill wget |
| 21:53.26 | sorl_ | well <img="aomewhereelse"> seems to work |
| 21:53.29 | lilferry | sorl_: why would you want to use wget for browsing sites with? |
| 21:53.30 | rahul | there's an option to allow it to go to a different server |
| 21:53.36 | jatt | bib like which one? |
| 21:53.52 | bib | netfilter something |
| 21:53.56 | rahul | by default, it stays to the same server |
| 21:53.56 | jelly-home | sorl_: what does your current command line look like? |
| 21:53.57 | sorl_ | well the html im picking up isnt protected or anything |
| 21:54.15 | jatt | bib: no no which rule. Which site has rules to filter wget? I've never found such a site |
| 21:54.27 | lilferry | sorl_: why dont you use a text-based browser like links or lynx |
| 21:54.34 | jelly-home | sorl_: do you get errors or does wget not even request those images? |
| 21:54.34 | bib | I know a lot sites |
| 21:54.43 | sorl_ | jelly-home, i tried: -k, "-r l1" etc.. |
| 21:55.03 | sorl_ | lilferry, i want to keep the html data incl. images offline |
| 21:55.17 | sorl_ | jelly-home, no errors, just doesnt fetch them |
| 21:55.22 | jelly-home | sorl_: hmm, -k should do the trick. -rl1 too for a single page and inline images. |
| 21:55.24 | jatt | aha |
| 21:55.47 | jelly-home | sorl_: are the images in the same directory as the html? |
| 21:55.47 | bib | if you used wget onto these server, you would be banned for a short time |
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| 21:56.07 | sorl_ | jelly-home, but <img href="location elsewhere"> doesnt work... |
| 21:56.45 | sorl_ | bib: im not sucking sites, im using wget like any other webserfer dude |
| 21:56.53 | mfrisch | bib: I've seen many sites requesting wget |
| 21:56.55 | pestilence | see, here's what i am worried about....when i try to install linux-image-2.6-k7-smp from backports, apt tells me it is going to remove hotplug |
| 21:56.56 | bib | hahaha |
| 21:57.00 | jelly-home | sorl_: have you tried --page-requisites |
| 21:57.04 | pestilence | so is this going to make my old kernel unusable? |
| 21:57.30 | sorl_ | jelly-home, yeah |
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| 21:57.46 | pestilence | i *really* don't want to screw up my server :-( |
| 21:57.54 | sorl_ | wget -p http://web.archive.org/web/19981111183552/google.stanford.edu/ |
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| 21:58.17 | bib | could they know what OS you were using if you used wget? |
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| 21:58.54 | x_link | enouf: I don't have any issues with it. Just can't clock that much with it. |
| 21:59.00 | x_link | I want that. |
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| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | sorl_: I see no images in that page's html |
| 21:59.06 | x_link | This one is really cheap |
| 21:59.11 | x_link | Now I have to get some food. |
| 21:59.13 | x_link | Later enouf ! |
| 21:59.20 | sorl_ | bib, you never *know* what os |
| 21:59.21 | enouf | x_link: not a bad read here for info http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=787290 though here it displays incorrectly, so I use google's Cache :-) |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | sorl_: nm, had case sensitive search :-| |
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| 22:00.34 | bib | sorl_, oh |
| 22:00.41 | jelly-home | sorl_: also, have you read the documentation? |
| 22:00.50 | bib | sorl_, hope so |
| 22:00.55 | sorl_ | jelly-home, yes, well im working thru man i guess |
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| 22:01.33 | jelly-home | Actually, to download a single page and all its requisites (even if they exist on separate websites), and make sure the lot displays properly locally, this author likes to use a few options in addition to -p: |
| 22:01.34 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.30 | sorl_ | jelly-home, yes, even that wont work |
| 22:02.45 | bib | can you use wget to get documents what the site owner doesn't want you to get? |
| 22:02.47 | jelly-home | works for me! (a html and an image is downloaded) |
| 22:02.50 | sorl_ | jelly-home, and mozilla wont sve it correctly either, its funny |
| 22:03.29 | sorl_ | jelly-home, weird.... |
| 22:03.53 | jelly-home | sorl_: I'm looking at /tmp/web.archive.org/web/19981111183552/google.stanford.edu/index.html and there's the image. |
| 22:03.59 | sorl_ | jelly-home, i see it trying now actually, but it cant |
| 22:04.07 | threat2 | hey |
| 22:04.19 | bib | hahaha, I used to consider wget was only fit for pr0n-grabbers |
| 22:04.19 | sorl_ | jelly-home, but is it local? (image) |
| 22:04.35 | jelly-home | sorl_: sure. the img src is relative. |
| 22:05.05 | jelly-home | ah bugger, it isn't |
| 22:05.07 | sorl_ | jelly-home, http://google.stanford.edu/google.jpg ..... 23:03:13 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
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| 22:05.53 | sorl_ | bib, maybe yer right about them stopping wget |
| 22:05.54 | threat2 | I have made a deb package from a deb source package and installed it, however aptitude and apt-get still want to upgrade it to the version in the repository, I have set it on hold atm but is there a way to set the version so as it doesnt want to upgrade it? |
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| 22:06.13 | azeem | threat2: set it on hold, as you did |
| 22:06.14 | sorl_ | jelly-home, i think ill try with some other referrer |
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| 22:06.28 | bib | sorl_, even bsds don't use wget to download by default |
| 22:06.32 | azeem | threat2: munging the version is the wrong approach here, IMHO |
| 22:06.37 | threat2 | azeem: ok |
| 22:06.59 | lilferry | I just tryed installing the driver for my tv-card, but it still isnt working. I dont even have the video device, /dev/video0 |
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| 22:07.30 | threat2 | lilferry: what type of tv card? analog or digital |
| 22:07.49 | jatt | What's wrong with wget. It's a very powerful tool to download files (e.g. kernels from www.kernel.org) from a terminal. |
| 22:07.52 | bib | sorl_, the new ftp can use the passive mode... |
| 22:08.22 | threat2 | wget is great, so is ncftpget (for ftp that is) |
| 22:08.27 | sorl_ | bib, i can try it then, but i think maybe in this case referrer needs to be right |
| 22:08.29 | jelly-home | sorl_: It's a bug (or a feature) in wget, it rewrote the img src to what was originally in BASE HREF, even though in the original html the IMG SRC is nice and relative |
| 22:08.37 | lilferry | threat2: im not sure, its for cable-tv or antenna |
| 22:08.50 | sorl_ | jelly-home, but does it infact download the image for you? |
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| 22:08.57 | threat2 | lilferry: what does lspci tell you about it? |
| 22:09.09 | threat2 | lilferry: is it PCI or USB? |
| 22:09.19 | lilferry | pci |
| 22:09.23 | jelly-home | sorl_: _some_ iteration of what I tried did in fact download the image, lemme figure out which |
| 22:09.27 | jatt | I agree. So what's all this wget bashing? |
| 22:09.31 | treat | i have set my bios to powerdown my harddrive after 2min of inactivity this worked great in gentoo but now when i switched to debian the harddrive is always on, any idea how i can figure out what is going on? |
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| 22:09.46 | threat2 | treat: hdparm |
| 22:10.03 | bib | do you know... sometimes... a pic on the site is just an outside link for counters? |
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| 22:10.45 | lilferry | threat2: pci |
| 22:10.46 | vlt | Now I copied all files from the current debian exept /boot/, /etc/fstab and /etc/mdadm/ to the new partitions and booted. I get a kernel panic: "/sbin/init: 432: cannot create /dev/null: Read-only file system \n /sbin/init: 433: cannot open /dev/console: No such file \n Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" What could be wrong here? |
| 22:11.00 | threat2 | lilferry: yes I got that, you still havnt told me if you found it in lspci |
| 22:11.07 | sorl_ | jelly-home, problem is that the image is at http://web.archive.org/web/19981205085322/google.stanford.edu/google.jpg |
| 22:11.12 | lilferry | threat2: I did. |
| 22:11.19 | threat2 | I must be blind then |
| 22:11.29 | lilferry | threat2: I mean; I did find it |
| 22:11.29 | jatt | vlt: why are you moving directories around? |
| 22:11.31 | sorl_ | jelly-home, and so archive.org must have automatic base ref rewriting internally |
| 22:11.38 | threat2 | lilferry: ok, what is it then |
| 22:11.46 | threat2 | lilferry: just the line for your card |
| 22:11.46 | lilferry | threat2: 05:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| 22:11.52 | lilferry | 05:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05) |
| 22:11.55 | threat2 | ok |
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| 22:12.17 | threat2 | lilferry: now google for linux conexant CX23880 |
| 22:12.24 | lilferry | I've allready done that |
| 22:12.29 | threat2 | lilferry: and? |
| 22:12.42 | lilferry | I tought I had the appropriate driver compiled now, since I just booted onto a new kernel which I just compiled |
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| 22:12.54 | vlt | jatt: I'm moving a Debian Sarge installation to a new disk that has now /boot in /dev/hda and root in an LVM volume on top of /dev/md1 raid device. |
| 22:13.09 | threat2 | lilferry: ok, it is a dvb device, have you installed the dvb utils? |
| 22:13.13 | sorl_ | jelly-home, eh, i take that back :) |
| 22:13.18 | lilferry | threat2: damn, no |
| 22:13.28 | jelly-home | sorl_: it doesn't really matter. what wget does is different from browsers do, I'd call that buggy. |
| 22:13.33 | threat2 | lilferry: apt-cache search dvb |
| 22:14.12 | vlt | jatt: On the new disk I installed a fresh minimal debian that boots from raid and lvm and now replaced all files (except /boot with lvm and raid capable initrd and /etc/fstab) with the old ones. |
| 22:14.21 | threat2 | lilferry: apt-get install dvb-utils, and perhaps dvbtune |
| 22:14.47 | threat2 | lilferry: then google for dvb-utils to found the website, go to the docs section and have a read |
| 22:14.56 | threat2 | found = find |
| 22:15.00 | lilferry | ok |
| 22:15.02 | sorl_ | jelly-home, yep |
| 22:16.10 | jelly-home | sorl_: frankly I have no idea why would wget rewrite relative urls with -k, but it does. |
| 22:16.10 | sorl_ | jelly-home, i got it |
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| 22:16.17 | sorl_ | jelly-home, i understand how it works now |
| 22:16.30 | sorl_ | jelly-home, javascript in the pages to rewrite base |
| 22:17.00 | sorl_ | that got me really confused |
| 22:17.19 | jelly-home | sorl_: oh, I didn't even scroll down to that :-) |
| 22:17.32 | sorl_ | jelly-home, and i guess wget got problems with that :) |
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| 22:17.44 | jelly-home | sorl_: yeah, wget doesn't handle js --> ergo, no rewriting. |
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| 22:18.28 | lkajdf | what u guys think about f-prot for debian? |
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| 22:18.37 | sorl_ | jelly-home, thanks for helping out! |
| 22:18.41 | jelly-home | sorl_: no prob |
| 22:19.32 | lkajdf | .. |
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| 22:20.12 | jatt | lkajdf: f-prot for debian? Wasn't f-prot an antivirus program for DOS? |
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| 22:21.32 | lkajdf | it was and i think still is, but i think you're info is a little outdated |
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| 22:21.45 | lkajdf | chec f-prot.com |
| 22:21.49 | lkajdf | check |
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| 22:22.57 | [xelent] | Anyone know what media player this is in the screenshot, click picture to make bigger http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/47312312/ |
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| 22:25.23 | xiq | [xelent]: it looks like totem.. |
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| 22:26.20 | crazy_penguin | good night |
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| 22:27.38 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 22:27.41 | [xelent] | xiq: with those blue visualizations? |
| 22:27.58 | BarryAllen | somebody recommends any doc about customize debian installer ? |
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| 22:32.31 | pestilence | so if i have a directory mounted, and then reboot the nfs server...the nfs client can't access the directory even though it says it's still mounted (when the server comes back up) |
| 22:32.51 | pestilence | if i mount the directory again, now mount shows that it's mounted 2 times. |
| 22:32.53 | pestilence | is this a problem |
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| 22:33.53 | ChrisGo | Whats better Debian or Ubuntu for the casual server geek? |
| 22:34.31 | [xelent] | neither, lol |
| 22:34.39 | ChrisGo | Open BSD? |
| 22:34.50 | ucordes | define casual server geek |
| 22:34.58 | BarryAllen | pestilence use soft option when you mount the volume on mfs server |
| 22:35.03 | Braindead | ChrisGo: never ask a bartender if his wine is good |
| 22:35.10 | ChrisGo | what to run www mysql and mapping software on the internet only |
| 22:35.19 | ChrisGo | lol Brain |
| 22:35.36 | kupesoft | Ubuntu server is quite similar to Debian, it's just "packaged" a little more, |
| 22:35.56 | tonyb2006 | but debian is cooler |
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| 22:36.07 | pestilence | BarryAllen: ok, i'll do that. should i worry about the appearance of several instances of the same mount? |
| 22:36.09 | ucordes | ChrisGo: where i'm from you don't get microsoft windows emulators in the bars |
| 22:36.33 | ChrisGo | So if you where to run a secure website what would you use NT, GreeBSD OpenBSD? |
| 22:36.43 | ChrisGo | Free* |
| 22:36.53 | ChrisGo | or Debian is fine? |
| 22:36.55 | ucordes | which desktop enviornment does debian use? |
| 22:37.01 | BarryAllen | pestilence probally using soft, u ll can use the same monted volume... no need remount |
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| 22:37.07 | tonyb2006 | ucordes: gnome by default, anything you feel like |
| 22:37.13 | rahul | ucordes: the one you install |
| 22:37.14 | tonyb2006 | i use fluxbox, for example |
| 22:37.16 | ucordes | default is what i meant |
| 22:37.17 | kupesoft | ChrisGo: FreeBSD, |
| 22:37.17 | rahul | gnome is by no means a deafault |
| 22:37.25 | tonyb2006 | well default on debian-installer |
| 22:37.29 | rahul | ucordes: there is no default. it runs what you install. |
| 22:37.33 | pestilence | BarryAllen: that sounds great, but what about the stuff that i've already mounted several times :) should i reboot those machines? |
| 22:37.33 | BarryAllen | pestilence and you can to force umount before remount with -l parameter of umount |
| 22:37.39 | ucordes | what's so good about fluxbox? |
| 22:37.44 | rahul | tonyb2006: it's default if you ask for gnome... if you don't, it won't be installed |
| 22:37.58 | ucordes | rahul: does the setup ask you which one you like? |
| 22:38.02 | tonyb2006 | rahul: well yeah, its default if you tell it to install "desktop environment :P" |
| 22:38.05 | DaDiablo | I have problem with KDE in Debian etch. It stops to load at Initalaizing system services. Anyone can help me? :) |
| 22:38.10 | vlt | No kernel panic anymore. And I hardly can believe what helped: I had to copy the "file" /dev/console to the new system ... |
| 22:38.11 | rahul | ucordes: the setup asks you what you want to install |
| 22:38.21 | rahul | ucordes: and you can instal anything else afterwards just as easily |
| 22:38.42 | ucordes | what can you chose in the setup? |
| 22:38.44 | ucordes | kde and gnome? |
| 22:38.50 | rahul | ucordes: anything |
| 22:38.54 | ChrisGo | and Windows |
| 22:38.58 | rahul | heh |
| 22:38.58 | ucordes | -_- |
| 22:39.00 | tonyb2006 | debian-installer? |
| 22:39.01 | ChrisGo | dpont worget that one ;) |
| 22:39.15 | rahul | windows is only an option in ubuntu |
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| 22:39.25 | ChrisGo | ohhh my bad |
| 22:39.26 | rahul | or maybe it's that ubuntu is only an option in windows |
| 22:39.28 | ucordes | i'm coming from #ubuntu |
| 22:39.34 | ucordes | would like to test the roots of my os |
| 22:39.49 | BarryAllen | hmmm |
| 22:39.56 | BarryAllen | debhelper what about simple-cdd ? |
| 22:40.02 | ucordes | don't throw things at me lol |
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| 22:40.55 | rahul | !sussudiosmite ucordes |
| 22:41.02 | rahul | bah |
| 22:41.26 | rahul | !susudiosmite ucordes |
| 22:41.34 | enouf | heh x_link no wonder nobody can follow these nonsensical mnemonics/monikers anymore --> "The chipset RD480 was originally released under the name of ATI Radeon Xpress 200 CrossFire Edition, renamed to ATI CrossFire Xpress 1600 on April 2006 and renamed to AMD 480X CrossFire after the acquisition of ATI by AMD. " |
| 22:41.35 | ucordes | what? |
| 22:42.02 | rahul | I was trying to get the bot to really throw something interesitng at you |
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| 22:42.12 | rahul | or rather have you throw something interesting because of it :P |
| 22:42.20 | DaDiablo | I have problem with KDE in Debian etch. It stops to load at Initalaizing system services. Anyone can help me? :) |
| 22:42.24 | rahul | oh well. c'est la vie. |
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| 22:43.52 | enouf | !badgersmite rahul |
| 22:44.02 | rahul | daft pips |
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| 22:44.15 | enouf | !sing sussudio |
| 22:44.21 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:44.32 | rahul | where's the one about monkeys coming out of peoples' butts? |
| 22:44.45 | rahul | or maybe it was buttmonkeys |
| 22:46.05 | enouf | !tlopta |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, tlopta is Timmmm's List Of People To Avoid: rahul, mwilson, jasta, or sussudio |
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| 22:46.05 | rahul | heh |
| 22:46.05 | enouf | heh |
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| 22:46.06 | robin_sz | sigh ... anyone know if "request tracker" has a IRC channel? |
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| 22:46.22 | Supaplex | robin_sz: I think they're on irc.perl.org #rt |
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| 22:47.07 | daft | How can i make a qemu machine a selection in GDM? |
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| 22:47.26 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 22:47.38 | lkajdf | can somebody help me with skype |
| 22:47.48 | TuxMeister | i need a quick help... need the fb mode for 1280x720 resolution |
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| 22:47.58 | TuxMeister | lkajdf, what kinna help do ya need? |
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| 22:48.52 | enouf | x_link: just to finish that paragraph ==> "The chipset RD580 was released under the name of ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200 and renamed to AMD 580X CrossFire after the acquisition of ATI by AMD." |
| 22:49.13 | lkajdf | tuxmeister: "GETOSPACe: Device busy |
| 22:49.13 | lkajdf | tuxmeister: "GETOSPACE: Device busy" |
| 22:49.36 | enouf | daft: don't you need to do that in Grub menu? |
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| 22:50.26 | TuxMeister | lkajdf, that's your sound output card o what is it? i never got that error... |
| 22:50.50 | enouf | TuxMeister: see kernel /Documentation/fb/vesa* et al |
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| 22:51.22 | TuxMeister | enouf, thanks! |
| 22:51.31 | lkajdf | tuxmeister: well i call someone and error is GETOSPACe: Device busy , no sound, cant' hear me, just beeping |
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| 22:52.09 | enouf | TuxMeister: quick link to older info http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
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| 22:53.22 | TuxMeister | lkajdf, have no idea... what output driver do you use? esd or alsa? maybe switching to alsa and running alsaconf may help |
| 22:53.35 | lkajdf | oss |
| 22:53.56 | TuxMeister | enouf, i've allready took a look to that howto, but i need the actual modes number, like 798 for 1024x768 and so |
| 22:54.29 | enouf | TuxMeister: whip out your hex calculator .. |
| 22:54.53 | TuxMeister | yeah, that could make the deal |
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| 22:57.15 | vertz | can someone please tell me how to get my norwegian charatures to work? been messing around with my locales like forever now |
| 22:58.02 | PumpkinPie | vertz: no one cares |
| 22:58.09 | itchi | vertz: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:58.40 | vertz | PumpkinPie: i've figured |
| 22:59.00 | vertz | itchi: already done it |
| 22:59.05 | bucky | vertz: apt-cache show xfonts-ay |
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| 23:00.39 | vertz | the problem is, they work, in irssi on irc, but not if i use a MSN gateway.. then the other people see weird signs |
| 23:00.42 | vertz | hm |
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| 23:01.49 | itchi | vertz: Have you logout/login back? |
| 23:02.08 | itchi | vertz: Or at least restart your msn stuff |
| 23:02.15 | TuxMeister | thanks for the help, i'm off |
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| 23:02.39 | vertz | itchi: yes, even rebooted a few times |
| 23:03.14 | itchi | vertz: You just need to logout/login back, not need to restart ;-) Or just reopen a shell |
| 23:03.17 | dabreegster | Is there any way to access my machine, which runs sshd, from a client with only telnet and no ssh client? |
| 23:03.39 | itchi | dabreegster: Trash telnet ;-) |
| 23:03.54 | dabreegster | itchi: School computer. I can't install putty. |
| 23:04.10 | Ronin | dabreegster: dont need to install it, run it off a usb key |
| 23:04.11 | chadmaynard | cant install it? get the exe |
| 23:04.11 | crono- | you could just run it from the temp dir? |
| 23:04.12 | itchi | dabreegster: You not need to install it, extract the zip, run the exe and gooaal |
| 23:04.31 | itchi | vertz: Have you look to the config stuff of you msn app? |
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| 23:05.00 | dabreegster | I'll see if my teacher will go for it. (I'm just trying to show off my science fair to my teacher early; she won't want to go through lots of trouble.) |
| 23:05.08 | vertz | itchi: i use irssi + bitlbee, term_charset = UTF-8 |
| 23:05.13 | vertz | should work i guess.. |
| 23:05.16 | itchi | dabreegster: Maybe, install ajaxterm? |
| 23:05.25 | jatt | dabreegster: no way telnet and ssh are different protocols (telnet has a encryption option though but of course not compatbile with ssh encryption) |
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| 23:05.31 | itchi | vertz: Run irssi too here |
| 23:05.45 | dabreegster | I'll see if I can just get putty. Thanks. |
| 23:05.55 | vertz | itchi: i'm doing that |
| 23:06.03 | itchi | dabreegster: 'Works out of the extraction' |
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| 23:06.11 | wsjunior | is it possible to pair a bluetooth device in debian etch?! (since there isnt bluez-pin for etch, it was removed for some reason) |
| 23:07.15 | wsjunior | i've already configured my bluetoothe device, i can see the laptop in my cell phone but i'm not able to pair them |
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| 23:07.19 | vertz | itchi: in sarge i just dpkg-reconfigure locales, worked perfectly, but now in etch nope |
| 23:07.22 | vertz | :( |
| 23:07.24 | vertz | drives me crazy |
| 23:07.34 | itchi | vertz: It should |
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| 23:07.43 | itchi | vertz: Runs Etch here |
| 23:07.57 | wsjunior | any idea?! |
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| 23:08.44 | vertz | itchi: it should, but it doesnt hehe, know a few other people with the same problem |
| 23:08.55 | itchi | vertz: weird |
| 23:09.15 | itchi | vertz: Maybe post it on the usenet?? |
| 23:10.01 | vertz | usenet? |
| 23:10.35 | itchi | vertz: Old school mailing list |
| 23:10.50 | vertz | itchi: never heard of |
| 23:10.51 | itchi | vertz: What output echo $LANG ? |
| 23:11.06 | itchi | vertz: Look on google groups, it's the same thing |
| 23:11.17 | itchi | !usenet |
| 23:11.17 | dpkg | usenet is probably a damn good place to find porn!, or a clause as stated by bignose, "As a usenet thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches one." i.e. You lose! |
| 23:11.33 | itchi | crap factoid :-p |
| 23:11.34 | vertz | right now its nb_NO, and my whole system is norwegian |
| 23:11.57 | itchi | vertz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet |
| 23:12.00 | rahul | mailing lists are old school usenet |
| 23:12.40 | Ronin | also a good place to get info and help |
| 23:12.53 | itchi | vertz: Fire up knode, pan, slrn or whatever |
| 23:13.27 | itchi | vertz: USE the usenet ;-) you miss somehtings ;-) |
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| 23:14.08 | itchi | vertz: (and avoid these /new/ usenet ways, like google groups and such, kinda confusing) |
| 23:14.51 | vertz | i'll give it a go |
| 23:15.00 | itchi | vertz: You will love it :-) |
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| 23:15.37 | itchi | vertz: That's the apps slrn if you want to see it in action http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/slrn1.jpg |
| 23:16.05 | itchi | vertz: (see also slrn2.jpg ) |
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| 23:17.22 | vertz | itchi: seems nice |
| 23:17.47 | itchi | vertz: Useful :-) I like the cli apps, maybe look to some GUI ones, like knode, pan and such |
| 23:18.32 | vertz | itchi: i think i'll go for slrn hehe |
| 23:18.43 | itchi | vertz: Good choice ;-) |
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| 23:21.42 | eldowan | I've got a smb mounted filesystem, and df produces incorrect information. Is there another network mounting method that will allow for correct disk information? |
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| 23:23.32 | Polleke | eldowan, not sure, but smbclient might provide more (accurate) info about a share |
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| 23:23.41 | enouf | cifs? |
| 23:24.04 | enouf | or whatever it's acronym is |
| 23:24.31 | phogg | cifs is correct. I'm still not sure what the difference is between smbfs and cifs is on the Linux side. |
| 23:24.52 | eldowan | enouf: ahh, i havent tried mounting cifs instead of smbfs. debian server, debian client |
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| 23:25.24 | enouf | phogg: hehe .. I have no friggin clue either :-P |
| 23:25.37 | n3kl | Hi |
| 23:25.54 | phogg | eldowan: cifs is generally less dumb, I find |
| 23:26.23 | enouf | eldowan: another option is if it's an ntfs .. to use ntfsprogs, mount ro, and use df that way perhaps |
| 23:26.29 | n3kl | for some reason when I place my wireless card in monitor mode with airmon-ng, it does not seem to monitor. I am trying to capture packets and it does not seem to be letting me do so. Any ideas? |
| 23:26.31 | eldowan | phogg: hmmm, thanks for the tip |
| 23:26.34 | madd_matt | I've installed the nvidia proprietary drivers from the debian repo, but unfortunately it is too old for my needs. Can I use apt-get/synaptic to remove everything, or does module-assistant put things "places" that might cause conflicts? |
| 23:27.13 | eldowan | enouf: I need r/w access. how well does nfs work?(please don't flame, I really don't know) |
| 23:27.16 | enouf | eldowan: more info via apt-cache show ntfsprogs and /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 23:28.03 | Polleke | eldowan, nfs is far more decent than smb |
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| 23:28.20 | eldowan | Polleke: more recent versions of nfs provide encryption, no? |
| 23:28.21 | enouf | eldowan: but for df .. you can mount ro temporarily if you like ,.. I don't use ntfs at all .. only heard about it |
| 23:29.08 | eldowan | enouf: it is on a reiser partitioned disk, thanks but I'll back off of ntfs for now. :D |
| 23:29.21 | enouf | :-) |
| 23:29.33 | Polleke | eldowan, I've only used it in a "home" enviroment, never looked into that. But nfs was twice as fast as smb |
| 23:29.55 | enouf | isn't samaba really an MS ntfs thing? |
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| 23:30.19 | eldowan | enouf: samba is MS networked file sharing, fat, ntfs, or any other FS you can get MS to recognize |
| 23:30.36 | Polleke | enouf, eldowan, huh? |
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| 23:30.43 | enouf | eldowan: and MS recognizes reicerfs |
| 23:30.45 | vlt | phogg: The most importand advantage of cifs over smbfs for me is the more accurate time which allowes now mtime values of not only even seconds ... ;-) |
| 23:30.46 | enouf | ? |
| 23:31.17 | eldowan | enouf: debian server, using smb as an easily setup share for streaming media to my workstation |
| 23:31.36 | eldowan | For the channels information, cifs and smbfs report the same disk statistics from df |
| 23:31.55 | enouf | eldowan: oh , so Debian server has reiserfs and you workstation has Xpoop |
| 23:32.01 | eldowan | it shows a 3.9GB disk, where I have more than 20GB of media. |
| 23:32.03 | abrotman | madd_matt: it sohuld create packages that you can uninstall |
| 23:32.14 | eldowan | enouf: Xpoop? |
| 23:32.38 | enouf | eldowan: XPoop[TM] |
| 23:32.50 | eldowan | enouf: etch server, etch workstation |
| 23:32.51 | madd_matt | abrotman, yes, i've removed everything that seems to be nvidia related, and it seems pretty clean. I'll install the official nvidia drivers later and see if they whine. |
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| 23:33.02 | enouf | so why the heck samba? |
| 23:33.16 | concept10 | is it illegal (by law) to ddos sites? |
| 23:33.26 | eldowan | concept10: not if you own them |
| 23:33.28 | robin_sz | yes |
| 23:33.39 | blondie | concept10: that depends where you live... but probably. |
| 23:33.54 | eldowan | enouf: the server is a p3-450, and I was advised that sshfs / shfs might be too much for the little bugger. |
| 23:34.14 | enouf | concept10: I bet your ISP has something about it in your contract :-P |
| 23:34.15 | abrotman | madd_matt: okay .. also the packager maintains a repository of newer nvidia drivers |
| 23:34.17 | Eclipser | something wrong with plain old nfs? |
| 23:34.21 | Polleke | eldowan, use nfs.. poinrless to use smb |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | madd_matt: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 23:34.37 | eldowan | Eclipser: never used it, and I wanted something quick to setup so I could use it immediately |
| 23:34.38 | enouf | eldowan: so samba is encrypted? |
| 23:34.43 | concept10 | enouf, yeah, good point. I need to read that. |
| 23:34.49 | Eclipser | eldowan, nfs is pretty easy to set up |
| 23:34.50 | eldowan | enouf: :-( |
| 23:35.08 | Polleke | enouf, smb is never encrypted (unless you tunnel) |
| 23:35.21 | vlt | Eclipser: There's no built in auth in plain NFS. |
| 23:35.24 | robin_sz | concept10, n some countries, eg us, uk, it is a prison sentance |
| 23:35.40 | enouf | Polleke: I though not .. thanks .. hence the bewilderment on my part as to why eldowan is using smbfs |
| 23:35.51 | Eclipser | vlt, true, was that a requirement? |
| 23:35.59 | enouf | Polleke: then asked about NFS encryption |
| 23:36.01 | eldowan | enouf: you know nothing of MS, or verry little? |
| 23:36.07 | Eclipser | nfs is fast though |
| 23:36.16 | Eclipser | shfs isn't :) |
| 23:36.17 | enouf | eldowan: I know a lot about older MS crapola |
| 23:36.18 | vlt | Eclipser: Don't know ... |
| 23:36.34 | enouf | eldowan: unfortunately |
| 23:36.36 | concept10 | robin_sz, im not thinking about doing it myself, I was just reading something about someone doing that |
| 23:36.43 | eldowan | hmmm. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3644471 maybe a secure nfs? |
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| 23:37.09 | Eclipser | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 23:37.09 | dpkg | somebody said ssh tunneled nfs was http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 23:38.03 | linux2 | hey can anyone help me out. when i try to setup dovecot-common i get this error: |
| 23:38.09 | linux2 | hostname: Unknown host |
| 23:38.11 | Eclipser | nfs is nice for private network |
| 23:38.17 | eldowan | Eclipser: if i'm using ssh to tunnel nfs, wouldn't it be easier to just use a ssh mounted filesystem? |
| 23:38.24 | linux2 | now i read about the FQDN but im not exactly sure of the syntax |
| 23:38.33 | linux2 | wouldn't server1. be correct syntax |
| 23:38.34 | Eclipser | eldowan, maybe, maybe not |
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| 23:38.45 | robin_sz | what does your 'hostname' command return? |
| 23:38.50 | eldowan | linux2: server1.foo |
| 23:38.54 | Eclipser | eldowan, I've used only nfs and shfs and shfs required me to build my own kernel module |
| 23:38.59 | linux2 | server1 |
| 23:39.01 | enouf | linux2: traceroute results usually yield fqdn |
| 23:39.02 | Eclipser | I haven't used nfs over ssh though |
| 23:39.06 | eldowan | Eclipser: yes, shfs does do that... |
| 23:39.37 | eldowan | hmm. how would I go about trying to get nfs4 packaged for debian? |
| 23:39.44 | itchi | Eclipser: Use module-assistant to build the module, realy easy |
| 23:39.52 | Eclipser | itchi, it is, but it's troublesome :) |
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| 23:39.58 | eldowan | itchi: how? m-a a-i shfs? |
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| 23:40.02 | Eclipser | itchi, I always forgot it when my kernel changed in sid.. |
| 23:40.23 | Eclipser | then after a few days I wondered why my mounts weren't working |
| 23:40.23 | itchi | Or just module-assistant and folow the instruction on the tui |
| 23:40.34 | cautomati-jack | I often go to http://packages.debian.org to find out what debian package includes a specific file that I know I need. is there a way I can do this on my system, using apt or dpkg? I sifted through man pages but nothing looks like what I want. |
| 23:40.52 | Eclipser | dpkg -S I think |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | You Fool! I think is installed! |
| 23:40.52 | itchi | cautomati-jack: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:40.59 | enouf | !tell cautomati-jack about apt-file |
| 23:41.10 | Eclipser | dpkg, fool! |
| 23:41.11 | dpkg | According to Murphy's law, nothing is foolproof. Also, if you make anything even a fool can use, only fools will use it.. Moses |
| 23:41.13 | itchi | !fish |
| 23:41.13 | dpkg | methinks fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 23:41.38 | enouf | cautomati-jack: for all installed file .. yes dpkg -S filename will help and be quicker |
| 23:41.48 | bib | big fish? |
| 23:41.52 | robin_sz | linux2, add your default domain to /etc/resolv.conf and make sure you have a dns entry for server1.yourdomain.com in your DNS |
| 23:41.59 | itchi | !fishstick |
| 23:42.01 | Eclipser | there was something that was even faster than dpkg -S but I can't remember |
| 23:42.12 | eldowan | Eclipser: RAM? |
| 23:42.13 | linux2 | robin_sz: k thanks |
| 23:42.15 | itchi | ooooooh :-( no fishstick, and it's soooo goood :-p |
| 23:42.16 | Eclipser | eldowan, :) |
| 23:43.00 | robin_sz | linux2, when 'dig server1' returns a valid result, then yuo stand a chance |
| 23:43.17 | bib | hello everybody, you will be cool |
| 23:43.34 | Eclipser | wife? |
| 23:43.46 | bib | wife? |
| 23:43.53 | robin_sz | small female thing, useful around the house |
| 23:44.00 | itchi | hehe |
| 23:44.07 | rumpl | wife: a married woman; a man's partner in marriage |
| 23:44.30 | Eclipser | rumpl, you fail to see the sarcasm (orwhatever) |
| 23:44.40 | robin_sz | its close to midnight and snowing .. someone had to go and switch the laser off ... I voted for her :) |
| 23:44.47 | rumpl | I fail |
| 23:44.47 | bib | oh, a housewife |
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| 23:45.27 | Eclipser | it's not snowing here :( - though there's a lot of snow on the ground already :) |
| 23:45.48 | robin_sz | weve just had our first snow delivery. less than a cm |
| 23:46.23 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 23:46.30 | robin_sz | wold that make me a lesbian? |
| 23:46.32 | bib | do you like it? |
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| 23:46.40 | bib | hahahaha |
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| 23:46.59 | itchi | robin_sz: here in mm :-s |
| 23:47.12 | itchi | robin_sz: Very little bit :-( |
| 23:47.20 | robin_sz | shame |
| 23:47.28 | itchi | robin_sz: :-p |
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| 23:47.33 | Eclipser | it's been almost snowless winter here |
| 23:47.37 | robin_sz | indeed |
| 23:47.38 | Eclipser | first time in my memory really |
| 23:47.44 | robin_sz | global warming my friends |
| 23:47.46 | Eclipser | in 22 years almost no snow until now... |
| 23:48.53 | rumpl | Come to Paris, you'll never see snow again |
| 23:49.28 | Eclipser | and only hear people trying to twist their tongues while speaking |
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| 23:49.46 | rumpl | And that, yes. |
| 23:49.52 | rumpl | It's quite funny. |
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| 23:50.18 | Eclipser | I was actually thinking of moving to the UK coast somewhere |
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| 23:50.31 | rumpl | Oh, rainman |
| 23:50.54 | Eclipser | I'd just need a lot of money to do that... |
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| 23:51.21 | rumpl | Sell snowflakes. |
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| 23:51.42 | Eclipser | heh |
| 23:51.43 | robin_sz | Eclipser, depends which bit of the UK .. some of it is cheap |
| 23:51.54 | robin_sz | Grimsby! |
| 23:51.55 | Eclipser | robin_sz, sure but moving from finland isn't |
| 23:51.55 | DaveyB | How do I setup my box to print from a printer attached to a different machine? |
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| 23:52.04 | DaveyB | Grimsby that fish country |
| 23:52.12 | DaveyB | smell the haddock |
| 23:52.21 | robin_sz | Eclipser, to move from .fi to .uk would be crazy |
| 23:52.28 | Eclipser | why |
| 23:52.32 | DaveyB | fish + inter breading = Grimsby |
| 23:52.37 | robin_sz | .fi is nice, .uk isnt? |
| 23:52.57 | Eclipser | robin_sz, well I guess it's a point of view thing |
| 23:53.01 | Eclipser | as a finn I don't agree :) |
| 23:53.10 | robin_sz | Eclipser, look at the great passtimes yo have in .fi ... |
| 23:53.22 | robin_sz | in summer .. you have drinking |
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| 23:53.45 | robin_sz | and in winter you have depression, adultery and drinking ... |
| 23:53.52 | Eclipser | hahha |
| 23:53.59 | robin_sz | true? |
| 23:54.03 | Eclipser | I hate especially the drinking |
| 23:54.22 | enouf | geysers .. warm springs .. oh wait, that's iceland |
| 23:54.22 | Eclipser | but I love the winters, cold and dark |
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| 23:54.23 | robin_sz | but finns are world class drinkers |
| 23:54.29 | Eclipser | robin_sz, and I won't touch anything with alcohol :) |
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| 23:54.46 | Eclipser | imo finns are just idiots who drink too much |
| 23:54.50 | rumpl | Crazy finn. |
| 23:54.53 | robin_sz | well, thats the thing I guess, finns dont do social drinking ... |
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| 23:55.12 | robin_sz | they dont do "a glass of wine" .. they do "as much wine as it takes to fall over" |
| 23:55.24 | Eclipser | robin_sz, actually it seems that finns don't socialise without alcohol |
| 23:55.32 | rumpl | Or to fall asleep in the snow and die |
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| 23:55.54 | xam | robin_sz so the finns are quite similar to the british and irish in that respect ... |
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| 23:56.13 | robin_sz | xam .... no, not at all. |
| 23:56.17 | Eclipser | at least in uk I would hear a language my ears tolerate |
| 23:56.21 | robin_sz | xam: you have to see ti to believe it ... |
| 23:56.26 | bib | they are all vikings |
| 23:56.49 | Eclipser | finnish makes my ears bleed :> |
| 23:56.56 | bib | O.o |
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| 23:56.59 | bib | why? |
| 23:57.01 | buu | YAY VIKINGS. |
| 23:57.04 | xam | robin_sz I've just been to norway and sweden, and lived in ireland for quite a while, and been to UK quite often ... |
| 23:57.06 | buu | (They make great music) |
| 23:57.31 | robin_sz | xam, for example when my english friend who lives in .fi and got married there suggested wine with the wedding meal, the response was "no this is a wedding, we dont want to get drunk" and it took a while to get the concept of "a glass of wine" across |
| 23:57.36 | Eclipser | bib, it's just not a smooth language |
| 23:57.43 | bib | a real vikings need to know the Sealand |
| 23:57.52 | xam | robin_sz btw, in early times, the vikings invaded and (re-)populated ireland anyway ;) |
| 23:58.07 | bib | Sealand is a heaven fro pirates |
| 23:58.09 | Eclipser | robin_sz, what? finnish wedding? not drunk? |
| 23:58.13 | bib | ^_^ |
| 23:58.14 | DaveyB | Does anyone know how to remote desktop print onto a Windows Machine? |
| 23:58.29 | Eclipser | robin_sz, I don't think I've ever heard of such miracle |
| 23:58.30 | robin_sz | Eclipser, it was fun. full of blonde girls ... |
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| 23:58.43 | robin_sz | Eclipser, whic bit of .fi? |
| 23:58.51 | Eclipser | Tampere... |
| 23:58.56 | rumpl | .ta? |
| 23:58.57 | robin_sz | right |
| 23:59.10 | Eclipser | rumpl, it's one of the major cities in finland :) |
| 23:59.15 | robin_sz | I went skiing near there one I think |
| 23:59.30 | azeem | guys, this is getting off-topic |
| 23:59.40 | Eclipser | it was offtopic ages ago! |
| 23:59.48 | belkin | dpkg-reconfigure xorg is this right ? |
