| 00:00.16 | ulf_k_ | the system is an older pentiumII |
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| 00:01.27 | deb_noob | can anyone tell me where syslog is located for kde? |
| 00:01.46 | deb_noob | 7:30 |
| 00:01.57 | ulf_k_ | maddash: do you have any idea what the problem could be? |
| 00:02.09 | justin | deb_noob: what does syslog have to do with kde? |
| 00:02.22 | deb_noob | oh maybe it doesn't |
| 00:02.27 | deb_noob | but do you know where it is? |
| 00:02.43 | maddash | ulf_k_: sorry, I don't... |
| 00:02.56 | ulf_k_ | ok |
| 00:03.17 | justin | !wayttd deb_noob |
| 00:03.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, deb_noob? |
| 00:03.17 | ic56 | deb_noob: the syslog config is centralized in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 00:03.46 | deb_noob | ic56: i'm still having some shutdown problems after adding noapic and nolapic to the kernel lines |
| 00:03.56 | deb_noob | it seemed fine for about 3 days, then i had a shutdown |
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| 00:04.26 | dvs | is it out yet? |
| 00:04.40 | streuner | !topicsmite dvs |
| 00:04.41 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dvs. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:04.45 | dvs | ahhhhhh |
| 00:05.00 | maddash | !smite me |
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| 00:05.51 | ic56 | deb_noob: mmm, sounds more like the kind of thing for which you'd dig up information with dmesg rather than syslog. Anyway both syslog and the kernel messages are configured to be saved into /var/log/* |
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| 00:08.16 | minerale | is it safe for me to keep my (pasworded) ssh keys on a usb drive? |
| 00:10.15 | dooglus | my wireless connection is running very slowly again |
| 00:10.17 | Kerr | err.. |
| 00:10.26 | dooglus | sometimes it's fine, and then it will suddenly start going very slow |
| 00:10.32 | dooglus | when it's going slow, I see likes like this: |
| 00:10.33 | dooglus | kernel: TKIP: replay detected: STA=00:17:31:d6:96:79 previous TSC 000000088e1b received TSC 000000088e1b |
| 00:10.37 | Kerr | should i be worried about something like this: |
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| 00:10.39 | Kerr | dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/g/gftp/gftp-common_2.0.18-16_i386.deb (--unpack): fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 00:10.39 | dooglus | in syslog |
| 00:10.57 | ulf_k_ | now i tried stable and there it is working and i get a installer, with testing i drped into a busybox shell |
| 00:11.08 | dooglus | Kerr: yes. |
| 00:11.17 | Xenguy | Kerr: out of memory? |
| 00:11.46 | Xenguy | Kerr: or hardware issues (sorry, not a hardware guru) |
| 00:12.12 | ulf_k_ | so i guess my ols pentiumII has some problems with the testing installer |
| 00:12.16 | Kerr | i have swap disabled as the drive containing the swap partition is way way on it's way to the grave |
| 00:12.42 | karsten | Kerr: ... a's i's proper u'se of the apo'strophe. |
| 00:12.50 | liable | ulf_k_: try the 2.4 kernel |
| 00:13.23 | dooglus | Kerr: you can use a swap file instead if you have some free disk space |
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| 00:13.46 | maddash | karsten: where? |
| 00:14.06 | karsten | maddash: ?? |
| 00:14.28 | karsten | maddash: "it's" => "its". |
| 00:14.29 | liable | who's on first |
| 00:14.32 | ulf_k_ | this is what i am doing now, because i am using stable right now and here is the default booting kernel 2.4 |
| 00:14.32 | maddash | karsten: wrong window, sorry. |
| 00:15.02 | jelly-home | THIRD BASE |
| 00:15.09 | maddash | LOL |
| 00:15.37 | Kerr | karsten: Do you realy have nothing better to do? |
| 00:15.37 | maddash | wait a sec, are you talking about baseball? |
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| 00:16.07 | jelly-home | maddash: it's a very very old comic routine by two famous guys whose names esacpe me now |
| 00:16.24 | Kerr | I've about 200G free, guess i can go for a swap file. |
| 00:16.35 | karsten | Kerr: Realy. |
| 00:16.43 | maddash | LOL |
| 00:16.44 | liable | really |
| 00:16.52 | jelly-home | maddash: google for "who's on first" |
| 00:16.55 | karsten | jelly-home: Abbot & Costello |
| 00:16.58 | dvs | jelly: abbot and costello |
| 00:17.02 | liable | magic wonder swap file *on* |
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| 00:17.06 | maddash | Kerr: just ignore him, it's his time of the month |
| 00:17.06 | robin_sz | they werent exactly funny |
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| 00:17.30 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how can I 'touch' a file so its modified date is in the past? |
| 00:17.39 | maddash | gah baseball! |
| 00:17.40 | karsten | sanmarcos-trabaj: man touch |
| 00:17.52 | dooglus | sanmarcos-trabaj: -t STAMP |
| 00:17.52 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.01 | chris_goe | is there something like include/sys/errno.h for python? |
| 00:18.02 | maddash | karsten: stop making me laugh. "man touch" |
| 00:18.03 | Kerr | How amazing. At midnight, after a 11hr shift at work, I'm failing at written english. Who'd have thunk it? |
| 00:18.21 | dvs | !confuse Kerr |
| 00:18.22 | dpkg | No, what was their weasel today, Kerr? pants of the democracy of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 00:18.25 | karsten | maddash: man touch | less |
| 00:18.37 | robin_sz | kerr ,I thought you were just american :) |
| 00:18.59 | dooglus | Kerr: "thought" |
| 00:18.59 | maddash | karsten: yes, I know, I just couldn't help but add the " 's" |
| 00:19.16 | maddash | karsten: speaking of which, is there any way to get rid of `more`? |
| 00:19.31 | liable | install less |
| 00:19.31 | karsten | maddash: sudo rm $( which more ) |
| 00:19.48 | karsten | maddash: ... and/or export PAGER=less |
| 00:19.48 | Kerr | I'm English, not that it matters. |
| 00:19.54 | liable | update-alternatives --config pager |
| 00:19.57 | karsten | Kerr: Scot? |
| 00:20.10 | dooglus | karsten: Scots aren't English |
| 00:20.12 | robin_sz | karsten, he said he was english |
| 00:20.12 | maddash | karsten: thanks |
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| 00:20.35 | karsten | maddash: NP |
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| 00:21.08 | karsten | maddash: Bunch of Solaris boxen here. You wouldn't believe how much I'm coming to despise csh and more. |
| 00:21.10 | Kerr | afk: better things to do than feeding trolls. |
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| 00:21.31 | predius_ | hey, whenever I try to use home and end in a terminal to go to the start and end of the line, I get a tilde(~) instead, what could be happening? |
| 00:22.32 | maddash | karsten: you're running debian,rah? aren't you using bash? |
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| 00:22.37 | karsten | predius_: Pretty much anything. Console or X? What's your keyboard setting (X?). What's your locale? What keysims are you getting? |
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| 00:22.56 | karsten | maddash: RHEL4 at work, except when chrooted into Debian on my laptop or ssh'd to it remotely. |
| 00:23.14 | predius_ | karsten: just in X, locale is en_US.UTF8 |
| 00:23.19 | karsten | maddash: And yes, I can get bash on most systems, but might have to jump hoops for it. |
| 00:23.40 | karsten | maddash: ... but other users are running csh, have to adapt. No recursive history search, keybindings all effed up, etc. |
| 00:23.45 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have to change passwd over a couple of systems. i have used openssl to generate the passwd hash, but how do i change the passwd on the systems in a non-interactive manner ? man passwd doesnt kist any option |
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| 00:24.55 | justin | thelostbutler: chpasswd? |
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| 00:25.31 | thelostbutler | justin: chpasswd -m <md5 hash > ? |
| 00:25.36 | justin | thelostbutler: man chpasswd |
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| 00:25.59 | predius_ | karsten: only shells, since I can use it inside vim |
| 00:26.04 | predius_ | but it happens in both zsh and bash |
| 00:26.10 | karsten | predius_: ?? |
| 00:26.33 | predius_ | [00:22] < karsten> predius_: Pretty much anything. Console or X? What's your keyboard setting (X?). What's your locale? What keysims are you getting? |
| 00:26.34 | karsten | thelostbutler: There are a couiple of tuilities for building / distributing passwords either hashed or unhashed. |
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| 00:26.38 | karsten | predius_: Nevermind. |
| 00:27.43 | thelostbutler | karsten: any that come to mind ? |
| 00:27.43 | jello | thelostbutler: echo $user:$md5hash | ssh root@$host chpasswd -m |
| 00:27.43 | maddash | karsten: holy crap...can you `history|more`? |
| 00:28.03 | justin | jello: thelostbutler man chpasswd already |
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| 00:28.17 | karsten | maddash: yes. |
| 00:28.18 | spike | how does it come using http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/sarge/ I can see mysql-server and client 5.0 but no mysql-common 5.0? |
| 00:28.29 | spike | as you can see from the link |
| 00:28.36 | spike | they are all there... |
| 00:28.37 | karsten | maddash: or use csh shell history substitution. Whihc are both PITAs. |
| 00:28.38 | thelostbutler | justin, jello, karsten thank you :) |
| 00:28.49 | justin | which is worse, asking how to use a binary with a page long pan page, or incorrectly telling someone how to use it... |
| 00:28.54 | karsten | thelostbutler: Nope, just giving you hope in your search. |
| 00:29.09 | karsten | thelostbutler: I did this a long time back configuring a bunch of samba stuff. |
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| 00:33.32 | ShockSMX | hmm, how do i use bash's "expansion command", exactly? |
| 00:33.45 | predius_ | Kerr: fixed it, thanks anyway |
| 00:33.48 | predius_ | err |
| 00:33.50 | karsten | ShockSMX: It's "command expansion", not "expansion command". |
| 00:34.05 | maddash | #bash? |
| 00:34.07 | jello | ShockSMX: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:34.15 | ShockSMX | jello: learn about it |
| 00:34.20 | karsten | ShockSMX: see specifically: brace expansion, environment expansion, arithmetic stuff. RTFM. |
| 00:34.35 | ShockSMX | karsten: man bash? |
| 00:34.46 | karsten | ShockSMX: Yep. Search ^EXPANSION |
| 00:34.52 | ShockSMX | can do, thanks |
| 00:34.56 | justin | <3 expansion :-) |
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| 00:35.14 | justin | I once used it to do statistics homework |
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| 00:35.44 | karsten | ShockSMX: brace, tilde, parameter, command substitution, arithmetic exp., process subs., word splitting, pathname exp., pattern matching, quote removal |
| 00:35.53 | ShockSMX | ok |
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| 00:38.07 | karsten | ShockSMX: brace expansion, fr'ex, rawk, but isn't Bourne-compatible. |
| 00:38.30 | ShockSMX | what one isn't bourne compatible? |
| 00:38.57 | dooglus | I keep seeing errors in syslog saying things like "kernel: TKIP: replay detected: STA=00:17:31:d6:96:79 previous TSC 00000000e20d received TSC 00000000e20d" |
| 00:39.03 | karsten | ShockSMX: echo brace expansion {is,teh,rawks}0r |
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| 00:39.06 | dooglus | what should I do to stop them? |
| 00:39.07 | jello | ShockSMX: you may want to man posh or dash, instead of bash if you're worried about compatibility |
| 00:39.12 | PingFloyd | better yet, read bash how-tos and tutorials |
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| 00:39.21 | karsten | dooglus: GIYF |
| 00:39.57 | dooglus | karsten: WTF? |
| 00:39.57 | ShockSMX | jello: i'm not, i'm just trying to learn/read some FM here |
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| 00:39.58 | karsten | !GIYF |
| 00:39.58 | dpkg | giyf is, like, Google Is Your Friend |
| 00:39.58 | dooglus | GINMF. GSABFO |
| 00:39.58 | PingFloyd | the bash man is probably going to confuse you |
| 00:40.00 | karsten | dooglus: Synonym for "f*ck if I know" |
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| 00:40.06 | ShockSMX | yeah, it's huge |
| 00:40.08 | jello | ShockSMX: well, posh == Posix Shell, so anything there should be applicable to any shell |
| 00:40.19 | ShockSMX | oh, bash is a superset of posh? |
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| 00:40.26 | jello | ShockSMX: plus it's much smaller than bash == easier to learn |
| 00:40.28 | jello | ShockSMX: yes |
| 00:40.32 | karsten | ShockSMX: Generally. |
| 00:40.32 | ShockSMX | hmm, good call, then |
| 00:40.33 | dooglus | karsten: f*cked |
| 00:40.39 | ShockSMX | thanks for the tip |
| 00:40.50 | ShockSMX | and dash? |
| 00:40.54 | maddash | what's with the asterisks? |
| 00:41.01 | karsten | maddash: w*rk. |
| 00:41.09 | karsten | maddash: ... a four letter word ending in 'K'. |
| 00:41.20 | maddash | oh, you're being censored? |
| 00:41.35 | dooglus | maddash: they're wild |
| 00:41.40 | jello | ShockSMX: it's a small shell, that limits itself to posix |
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| 00:45.54 | Guerin | if I have /media/data0 and /media/data1, both mounted as separate partitions, why, when I mount /media on a remote box over nfs do I see those dirs, but none of their contents? |
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| 00:46.22 | jello | Guerin: nfs stops at mount points? |
| 00:46.23 | Guerin | the permissions are fine; it seems to be the fact that those two dirs are themselves mounted; but I thought nfs was supposed to be transparent to this sort of thing |
| 00:46.28 | Guerin | it does? |
| 00:46.29 | ShockSMX | alright, i'll look at posh |
| 00:46.39 | jello | Guerin: just a guess, maybe there's some config... |
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| 00:49.35 | jelly-home | Guerin: you have to export the mountpoints themselves |
| 00:49.46 | Guerin | jelly-home: why? |
| 00:49.54 | Guerin | jelly-home: i thought this was transparent to the client |
| 00:50.05 | jelly-home | Guerin: ... nfs doesn't traverse mountpoints. |
| 00:50.12 | Guerin | fucking stupid nfs |
| 00:50.17 | Guerin | a pox on it |
| 00:50.22 | Guerin | can I force it to do so? |
| 00:50.25 | jelly-home | at least, Linux nfs servers don't ;-) |
| 00:50.45 | jelly-home | cant vouch for any other less broken implementation |
| 00:51.00 | jello | Guerin: check the NFS howto? |
| 00:51.29 | Guerin | hm, someone claims nfs exports filesystems, not directory structures |
| 00:51.50 | jello | that would make sense with your findings |
| 00:51.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:52.00 | Guerin | humbug |
| 00:53.32 | jelly-home | Guerin: I guess it's easier to export filesystems anyway, don't have to mess with inode numbers |
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| 00:55.45 | jelly-home | Guerin: you'll also need an option like nohide or crossmnt in /etc/exports (man 5 exports) |
| 00:56.12 | karsten | ShockSMX: 'dash' is much smaller than bash, mostly by stripping out a bunch of the interactive features w/o sacrificing batch capabilities. |
| 00:56.23 | jelly-home | dash is nice |
| 00:56.43 | jelly-home | uncovers a lot of bugs in install scripts ;-) |
| 00:56.49 | karsten | Contrast 'nash' which is 1). a script-only shell (can't run interactively) and 2). is larger than dash. |
| 00:56.52 | karsten | jelly-home: Heh. |
| 00:57.03 | karsten | Guess what shell RHEL uses in initrds. |
| 00:57.08 | jelly-home | heh |
| 00:57.18 | karsten | Guess how easy it is to drop to shell in a RHEL initrd to debug initrd / boot issues. |
| 00:57.28 | jelly-home | karsten: I hear Ubuntu is planning to ship dash as /bin/sh |
| 00:57.34 | jello | silly redhat... |
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| 00:58.01 | concept10 | jelly-home, i think it already does |
| 00:58.24 | jelly-home | concept10: nice |
| 00:59.47 | concept10 | jelly-home, because I read some tutorial about getting xen running on ubuntu and the first thing it said was change the shell to bash |
| 00:59.57 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.29 | concept10 | hey stoned, how's it going |
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| 01:00.34 | maddash | stoned: text mode? it doesn't bother you that you can't scroll up? |
| 01:00.46 | jello | maddash: that's what pgup is for... |
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| 01:00.51 | stoned | course you can |
| 01:00.57 | stoned | page up/down |
| 01:01.23 | h3sp4wn | Debian should ship posh as /bin/sh (I use dash as /bin/sh in debian though) |
| 01:01.25 | stoned | I'm sure you can jump around in the scrollback with grep |
| 01:01.28 | stoned | some script |
| 01:01.33 | stoned | posh? |
| 01:01.36 | stoned | hardly |
| 01:01.41 | stoned | debian is the poorman's os |
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| 01:01.54 | karsten | jelly-home: that makes some sense. |
| 01:02.05 | jello | h3sp4wn: if it wouldn't render many packages insta-buggy, we probably would... |
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| 01:06.00 | stoned | random zeros |
| 01:06.04 | phycho|aw | hey guys - what would the best vesion of debian be for a firewall device? |
| 01:06.19 | stoned | phycho|aw: sarge as of right now |
| 01:06.31 | phycho|aw | k |
| 01:07.16 | Guerin | jello: what do you gain over sarge? |
| 01:07.17 | phycho|aw | jello - any reason why? |
| 01:07.29 | Guerin | other than nothing |
| 01:07.30 | jello | better support |
| 01:07.39 | jello | it'll be supported longer, that is |
| 01:07.40 | maddash | newer kernel? |
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| 01:07.47 | jello | better iptables config? |
| 01:07.48 | phycho|aw | well, the kernel is going to be kustom anyway |
| 01:07.49 | phycho|aw | it has to be. |
| 01:08.03 | phycho|aw | need some advanced features not in the default kernel |
| 01:08.11 | maddash | my kernel's so nice and shiny and light as a feather |
| 01:08.25 | phycho|aw | i assume stable is currently using 2.4.x kernel? |
| 01:08.35 | cwheeler | won't it blow away maddash ? |
| 01:08.37 | jello | stable will use either 2.4 or 2.6 |
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| 01:08.40 | phycho|aw | k |
| 01:09.03 | cwheeler | 2.6 rox |
| 01:09.39 | phycho|aw | 2.6 is, as far as iam concerned - unstable |
| 01:09.49 | maddash | cwheeler: yep, that's why I use a kensington lock |
| 01:09.56 | cwheeler | it's been working fine for me for > 1 year |
| 01:10.09 | Guerin | jello: that's a bullshit reason |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | jello: sine you'll have to upgrade etch to stabilise anyhow |
| 01:10.22 | cwheeler | 2.0 should be rock solid now by that reasoning |
| 01:10.33 | Guerin | phycho|aw: you're on crack. |
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| 01:10.59 | maddash | !ops please tell Guerin to leave his unproductive comments in the pastebin |
| 01:11.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: maddash complains about: please tell Guerin to leave his unproductive comments in the pastebin |
| 01:11.00 | phycho|aw | Guerin - ive seen 2.6 kernel panic far too many times to remember, and i dont like the sheer number of updates that come out for it |
| 01:11.17 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:11.37 | concept10 | who says you have to update? |
| 01:11.47 | cwheeler | i've only seen the 2.6 kernel panic when i screwed it up and it couldn't mount the root fs |
| 01:12.14 | maddash | cwheeler: sata? |
| 01:12.20 | cwheeler | no lvm |
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| 01:12.54 | phycho|aw | concept10 - security fixes |
| 01:13.22 | mentor | maddash: Don't do that. |
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| 01:14.24 | concept10 | Ive only seen Linux lock up once, and that was an early ubuntu server kernel quickly replaced with sarge |
| 01:14.54 | phycho|aw | ive seen it lock up quite a few times with madwifi installed |
| 01:14.59 | phycho|aw | more so 2.6.x than 2.4.x |
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| 01:17.04 | concept10 | I personally dont think stability is an issue on desktops, especially free ones. I usually run svn/trunk stuff when I can and never really have any problems. The last problem I saw was SongBird using way too much CPU |
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| 01:17.42 | phycho|aw | concept10 - this is for a gateway/firewall device |
| 01:18.08 | concept10 | Youre using wifi for a gateway device? |
| 01:18.21 | jelly-home | we run 2.6 on servers because a) NPTL, b) drivers, c) I/O |
| 01:18.37 | phycho|aw | concept10 - it runs madwifi as an ap |
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| 01:19.04 | concept10 | I just updated Beryl to the svn release after reading some article on digg and im amazed how refined and stable it is. |
| 01:19.16 | concept10 | but thats another ball game |
| 01:19.39 | evilbulgarian | hi, for some reason i have a newly formated ext3 partition and says that 16GB are used can someone shine some light is that how much it takes for journal? |
| 01:19.58 | jelly-home | evilbulgarian: 5% is reserved for root by default |
| 01:20.46 | jelly-home | evilbulgarian: journal takes order of ~10-100 MB |
| 01:21.06 | evilbulgarian | jelly-home: what u mean for root? |
| 01:21.16 | jelly-home | evilbulgarian: for the root user. |
| 01:21.47 | concept10 | Im also amazed that Linux doesnt get enough attention in the mainstream media. Beryl does more than Vista on old hardware and incomplete open source drivers |
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| 01:22.52 | jelly-home | evilbulgarian: see -m and -r options in man tune2fs of you want to change it, and you can do the same thing when creating the filesystem too. |
| 01:23.07 | evilbulgarian | jelly-home: thx |
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| 01:24.22 | stoned | clear |
| 01:24.38 | Thug-N-Me | cedega failed the 3D Acceleration test, how do i enable it ? i have a intel chipset i180 |
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| 01:25.45 | nycc0de | could someone recommend me a program that burns .avi movies? |
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| 01:26.36 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: anything will burn them. |
| 01:27.27 | karsten | jelly-home: Depends. |
| 01:27.27 | maddash | nycc0de: google might be your friend there |
| 01:27.38 | dondelelcaro | well, anything that will burn anything will burn them, anyway. |
| 01:27.38 | karsten | jelly-home: ... is it a standard fsck, or a fast fsck. |
| 01:27.47 | nycc0de | dondelelcaro: What burning program do you use? |
| 01:27.47 | karsten | jelly-home: ... surely you've heard the old saw. |
| 01:27.49 | nitro4ce | hello. can you help me please? how can i improve the look of gtk based apps? already installed gtk-qt but nothing changed.. am i missing somthing? |
| 01:27.49 | maddash | jelly-home: what's the rpm on the HD? |
| 01:27.52 | jelly-home | karsten: what's a fast fsck? |
| 01:28.00 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, first ensure you have the correct drivers running/installed |
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| 01:28.09 | karsten | jelly-home: "How much fsck would a fast fsck fsck if a fast fsck could fsck fast? |
| 01:28.12 | karsten | " |
| 01:28.13 | maddash | nitro4ce: install gtk-theme-switch |
| 01:28.13 | jelly-home | maddash: say 7200rpm single SATA disk |
| 01:28.25 | jelly-home | karsten: oh, shut up |
| 01:28.25 | Thug-N-Me | yes i180 |
| 01:28.30 | maddash | nitro4ce: then install a gtk theme, then run "gtk-theme-switch" |
| 01:28.34 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 ^^ |
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| 01:29.00 | maddash | karsten: you're on a roll tonight, huh? |
| 01:29.00 | nitro4ce | maddash: but i want that apps to look like my kde theme |
| 01:29.01 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, how do you know? |
| 01:29.04 | jelly-home | How much disk would a fast fsck fsck if a fsck could fsck fast? |
| 01:29.04 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: depends on what I'm burning, but generally wodim or dvd+rw |
| 01:29.06 | karsten | nitro4ce: Install: (kde|wmaker|fluxbox|ion|twm|...) |
| 01:29.15 | dondelelcaro | (well, really growisofs, but...) |
| 01:29.24 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 i check the xorg.conf |
| 01:29.27 | maddash | nitro4ce: then go onto freshmeat, or google and look for "gtk themes that look like kde" |
| 01:29.41 | nitro4ce | maddash: lol |
| 01:29.44 | Alonso | Hi Debian. How do I change the screen resolution on my system= |
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| 01:30.01 | nitro4ce | maddash: i am using gtk-qt. but it is not working |
| 01:30.02 | jelly-home | and me install a kde theme that looks like gtk |
| 01:30.03 | zention | Alonso: ctrl alt + |
| 01:30.08 | karsten | Alonso: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:30.09 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 Driver"i810" |
| 01:30.16 | Alonso | I'm in the terminal |
| 01:30.25 | Alonso | tty or something like that |
| 01:30.29 | zention | Alonso: well now you tell us :) |
| 01:30.34 | nycc0de | dondelelcaro: Does dvd+rw have a gui? |
| 01:30.35 | nitro4ce | maddash: sorry for my english |
| 01:30.36 | stoned | I have been unsuccessful in find a driver for jmicron 363 PATA controller on GA 965P S3 motheraboard for debian. Does anyone have any idea. I tried Kenshi Muto's sarge d-i images of 2.6.19rc3 but they seem to install the system and detect PATA CD, but upon boot it hangs forever saying Lost Interrupt on hda (I only have sata hdds) |
| 01:30.45 | zention | Alonso: boot loader config normally for that |
| 01:30.54 | maddash | nitro4ce: what's "gtk-qt"? you mean "gtk-qt-engine"? |
| 01:30.56 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: no |
| 01:31.05 | stoned | any ideas |
| 01:31.09 | maddash | nitro4ce: just run `gtk-theme-switch` |
| 01:31.11 | zention | nitro4ce: most are using gtk+ now |
| 01:31.11 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, I don't know how to enable it for that chipset, but what I would do is check the Gentoo and/or Beryl wikis. There are hundreds of posts about turning acceleration on |
| 01:31.13 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: wodim and growisofs are the low level programs that various GUIs use. |
| 01:31.19 | protocol1 | Alonso, Desktop > Preferances > Screen Resolution |
| 01:31.22 | nitro4ce | maddash: http://dot.kde.org/1073599985/ |
| 01:31.32 | nycc0de | dondelelcaro: lol thanks. What about "high level" programs |
| 01:31.37 | nitro4ce | zention: indeed |
| 01:31.38 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 ok thanks |
| 01:31.44 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: I personally don't use them; others may. |
| 01:31.56 | nitro4ce | madash: ok, thanks. will check it out. |
| 01:31.56 | Alonso | I don't even have X installed on this machine |
| 01:32.05 | nycc0de | dondelelcaro: Is dvd+rw hard to use? |
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| 01:32.25 | dondelelcaro | nycc0de: it's actually growisofs that is the command, and no, it's not particularly hard to use. |
| 01:32.35 | lib8264q | hi everyone :) |
| 01:32.43 | nycc0de | Ok thanks. I'll look into it |
| 01:32.44 | Alonso | zention: tell you what? |
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| 01:33.02 | maddash | nitro4ce: run the autopackage binary here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714 |
| 01:33.36 | zention | Alonso: you ask to change res but don't specify what you are using :) |
| 01:33.41 | nitro4ce | madash: ok. |
| 01:33.42 | lib8264q | i have a few ? hoping someone can shed some light on as im new to linux |
| 01:33.42 | dondelelcaro | egads no. |
| 01:33.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Isn't stoned the appropriate person to discuss "high-level" programing? |
| 01:34.00 | Alonso | I using the "std." terminal without X |
| 01:34.15 | maddash | !ask | lib8264q |
| 01:34.21 | dondelelcaro | DO NOT RECOMMEND OR USE AUTOPACKAGE. That is all. |
| 01:34.32 | maddash | gah it's not #ubuntu |
| 01:34.45 | maddash | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 01:34.46 | zention | Alonso: yeah we got that after our replies change it at boot time |
| 01:34.50 | dondelelcaro | !autopackage |
| 01:34.51 | dpkg | it has been said that autopackage is http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html or http://autopackage.org, or http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/autopackage.html |
| 01:35.00 | lib8264q | can someone point me to a good site for debain based terminal commands for distro |
| 01:35.22 | Thug-N-Me | dondelelcaro whats wrong with autopackage ? |
| 01:35.22 | dondelelcaro | Thug-N-Me: read the first url and find out. |
| 01:35.23 | Alonso | I need to configure GRUB? |
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| 01:35.44 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, I just searched both, some information is there, but I see nothing really but this: Option "RenderAccel" "true" |
| 01:35.51 | Alonso | Hi nipra :) |
| 01:35.56 | dondelelcaro | lib8264q: there are a few reasonable books on it to help you get started; Martin Kraft's _The Debian System_ is fairly comprehensive. |
| 01:36.00 | zention | lib8264q: commands are just programs and shell inbuilts unless you mean package commands |
| 01:36.07 | dondelelcaro | lib8264q: you may also find the debian-reference useful. |
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| 01:36.30 | Alonso | zention: I need to cinfigure GRUB or what are you saying? |
| 01:36.32 | nipra | Alonso: Hello! |
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| 01:36.38 | lib8264q | ok ty ... |
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| 01:36.46 | maddash | hmm...don't the ati fglrx drivers come in autopackaged *.run? |
| 01:36.49 | Alonso | nipra: We meet everywhere heh |
| 01:36.49 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 whre does that option goes to what section in xorg.conf ? |
| 01:37.07 | zention | Alonso: well you may be using lilo but yes a line in grub would help change resolution of the terminal you may have to have a kernel option set also |
| 01:37.23 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, In Section Device: |
| 01:37.30 | nipra | Alonso: because we have common interests... debian, Perl, ... :-) |
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| 01:37.45 | Alonso | zention: any man pages about that? |
| 01:38.04 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, the other best place to go is freedesktop.org |
| 01:38.14 | Alonso | nipra: yea. though they banned me on #perl :-7 |
| 01:38.30 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 thanks |
| 01:38.48 | nipra | Alonso: hehe..why? |
| 01:38.51 | zention | Alonso: it will be options you send to the kernel - look up bootsplash that is related |
| 01:39.01 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=i810&fullsearch=Text |
| 01:39.13 | Alonso | nipra: maybe because I called them a bunch of cuties *Giggles* |
| 01:39.48 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, and guess where this seaching sends you? |
| 01:39.58 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, back to the good ole man page |
| 01:39.59 | maddash | Alonso: if you use dial-up, you shouldn't have much of a problem... |
| 01:40.06 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R7.0/doc/html/i810.4.html |
| 01:40.09 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 :) |
| 01:40.12 | lib8264q | another im confused about something iv herd a lot of people talking about about something called compiz xgl beryl ???? what are they are they seperate desktops or addons would it be of any benifit |
| 01:40.36 | concept10 | Thug-N-Me, scroll down, it lists the options for your config |
| 01:40.55 | Thug-N-Me | concept10 yeah looking . thanks a lot |
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| 01:42.25 | maddash | fresh debian installs have a tendency to be blazing fast on my laptop... |
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| 01:42.54 | concept10 | lib8264q, goto the beryl page, they have pretty screenshots and explanations of this stuff |
| 01:43.22 | Alonso | yeah. and without X it fast as a lightning even on this old COMPAQ ARMADA 1700 |
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| 01:43.41 | protocol1 | maddash, I can back you up on that one :) |
| 01:43.42 | karsten | Alonso: aaquake! |
| 01:43.43 | lib8264q | my ? is (as im not to sure) is it an addon to the desktop or a sepersate desktop |
| 01:43.54 | lib8264q | seperate* |
| 01:44.44 | concept10 | lib8264q, either or, its not really a addon or seperate, its in the middle |
| 01:44.45 | karsten | !compiz |
| 01:44.45 | dpkg | from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 01:44.46 | karsten | !beryl |
| 01:44.47 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
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| 01:46.47 | eldowan | I've got an IBM T23 that crapped out, and I swapped the HDD into an IBM T21 (both laptops). Everything seems to be working fine, except the NIC isn't detcted. How would I go about getting the correct driver, and removing the driver that is now useless? |
| 01:46.51 | nocti | are all debian security mirrors so slow? |
| 01:47.25 | maddash | eldowan: what's the NIC? |
| 01:47.36 | maddash | eldowan: erm, I meant, what NIC? |
| 01:47.38 | eldowan | maddash: a broadcomm nic |
| 01:47.48 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 01:47.48 | dpkg | somebody said broadcom was a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
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| 01:48.23 | eldowan | Guerin: I was hoping the solution wat tg3. :D |
| 01:48.47 | Guerin | bah, trying to sign my own ssl cert and it can't find a database indec of CAs |
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| 01:48.54 | Ono | hi |
| 01:48.59 | eldowan | Guerin: so would I add the useless driver to the mod blacklist, and modprobe tg3? |
| 01:49.09 | Guerin | which, if it wasn't generated when I installed openssl, i don't know where it is |
| 01:49.11 | Alonso | FNORD! |
| 01:49.23 | Guerin | eldowan: no idea, i guess so, if that's the right driver. |
| 01:49.55 | eldowan | Guerin: the process is right? blacklist and modprobe? |
| 01:49.58 | maddash | eldowan: you could autoload tg3, if it works, via /etc/modules, I think |
| 01:50.10 | Guerin | eldowan: yeah. |
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| 01:50.25 | Ono | i am using sid, apache and php4 packages. I set display_errors on from php.ini. Master value display_errors on but local_value display_errors off. How can i change local value? |
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| 01:52.04 | Alonso | zention: can you be more specific about the (isn't it tty?) screen res. change? |
| 01:52.09 | maddash | Ono: maybe #php? |
| 01:53.29 | Alonso | Ono: maybe ini_set() or from .htaccess |
| 01:53.46 | Ono | Alonso: php_flag is working |
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| 01:53.56 | Ono | but i have many virtualhost |
| 01:54.08 | Ono | i need to change default |
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| 01:54.52 | Alonso | Ono: vhosts.conf, #apache or #php might be the place then |
| 01:55.13 | Alonso | .htaccess too heh |
| 01:55.15 | Ono | ok thanks Alonso |
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| 01:55.55 | zention | Alonso: kernel=(hd0,0)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda3 video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31A |
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| 01:56.22 | Alonso | zention: In grub.conf? |
| 01:56.25 | zention | Alonso: the vga bit at the end is the important thing for a resolution change I think - you may need vesafb though |
| 01:56.45 | zention | Alonso: yes in grub.conf |
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| 01:57.08 | zention | Alonso: changing terminal res on the fly maybe possible but I have not done it |
| 01:57.57 | zention | Alonso: often you will find that HPUnix can do things like that but not linux |
| 01:58.03 | Thug-N-Me | can anyone please have a look and tell me if i added this options to section device in xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/328784 ? |
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| 01:59.21 | mfrisch | if I put a 400mhz into a 333mhz ram slot will it hurt the ram or computer? |
| 01:59.36 | jello | it should clock down automatically |
| 01:59.58 | stoned | is there a way to send audio traffic alongside ssh -X ? |
| 02:00.12 | mfrisch | jello: really! I not going to melt my ram if I let someone borrow mine? |
| 02:00.22 | mfrisch | stoned: nas |
| 02:00.46 | zention | Alonso: SVGATextMode 80x29x9 |
| 02:00.47 | jello | as long as the form factor is the same... |
| 02:00.53 | zention | Alonso: may work |
| 02:01.09 | mfrisch | 184 pin |
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| 02:01.24 | mfrisch | stoned: use nas network audio server |
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| 02:02.06 | evilbulgarian | anyone have an idea why the system is unresponsive to writing or reading anything while a 1.3 Terrabyte partition is being formated with ext3? |
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| 02:03.45 | PingFloyd | evilbulgarian: partition on same disk? |
| 02:03.49 | infernix | i've been using ncftp for the past few years but it lacks ssl support. any recommendations to a similar (ncurses?) ftp client but with ssl? |
| 02:04.03 | evilbulgarian | PingFloyd: yes on a raid 0 with 4 disks |
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| 02:04.33 | karsten | evilbulgarian: SATA / ATA system? |
| 02:04.33 | zention | infernix: why not just sftp stuff or scp |
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| 02:04.40 | evilbulgarian | karsten: server SAS |
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| 02:05.00 | karsten | evilbulgarian: IIUC that blocks CPU on IO. Basically you're enhancing system latency. |
| 02:05.12 | karsten | evilbulgarian: 'iostat 4' may show this (iowait value). |
| 02:05.15 | Thug-N-Me | its this correct like this Option "CacheLines" "integer" .. "integer" or it wil works without value too ? |
| 02:05.23 | evilbulgarian | karsten: thx |
| 02:05.43 | sudo_maddash | wow we're into the terabytes already? |
| 02:05.47 | karsten | What's Linux's loadavg computation based on in SMP systems? Would 2 procs runnable give load of 1 or 2 on 2-CPU system? |
| 02:05.55 | dvs_ | sudo_maddash: almost |
| 02:06.12 | BrianSteffens | is there a way i can make all stdout during system startup > a text file? |
| 02:06.23 | infernix | zention: point in case. it might be a bit slower i guess. |
| 02:06.26 | Zarephath | I got Sarge installed. I have googled, searched the debian documentation. I need an explanation on what this means MTA: Starting NetDEV watchdog..then I watch my nic connect and disconnect. It couldn't get a ip from dhcp when installing. Everything looks ok other than no network access... |
| 02:06.31 | jello | BrianSteffens: dmesg? |
| 02:06.32 | BrianSteffens | /var/log/syslog only seems to have bits of it |
| 02:06.43 | BrianSteffens | jello: ty i'll look into dmesg |
| 02:06.45 | zention | infernix: well SSL is an encrypted channel |
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| 02:07.23 | zention | infernix: I personally find the ssh suite solves a lot of problems mount a system using shfs is very useful as well |
| 02:07.47 | karsten | BrianSteffens: bootlogd (IIRC) |
| 02:07.48 | zention | infernix: but hey maybe midnight commander can do it |
| 02:08.05 | karsten | BrianSteffens: dmesg captures most but not all output. |
| 02:08.35 | BrianSteffens | karsten: i see /etc/default/bootlogd and /sbin/bootlogd |
| 02:08.46 | maddash | BrianSteffens: you have to enable the bootlogger |
| 02:08.58 | BrianSteffens | maddash: thanks, just did =] |
| 02:09.15 | karsten | BrianSteffens: Enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 02:09.23 | karsten | BrianSteffens: ... and reboot ;-) |
| 02:09.57 | maddash | BrianSteffens: logs are in /var/logs/boot |
| 02:10.04 | maddash | BrianSteffens: /var/log/boot |
| 02:10.22 | Alonso | zention: can I somehow "try" those configuration without screwing my system with faulty directives? |
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| 02:13.16 | nitro4ce | how can i check in terminal if i am getting 3d acceleration? |
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| 02:13.39 | maddash | nitro4ce: `glxinfo |grep render` |
| 02:13.49 | nitro4ce | cool thanks |
| 02:13.51 | maddash | nitro4ce: you have to install mesa-utils for that to work |
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| 02:15.03 | karsten | 3d check is glxinfo | grep render |
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| 02:15.29 | nitro4ce | how do i copy that using xchat lol? |
| 02:15.48 | karsten | dpkg: 3d check is glxinfo | grep render |
| 02:15.48 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 02:16.06 | karsten | nitro4ce: x copy/paste |
| 02:16.30 | nitro4ce | i was using ctrl -.- |
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| 02:21.38 | mruiz | ping anibal |
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| 02:24.50 | laidback_01 | hey, is the order of stability --> stable, testing, unstable or stable, unstable, testing? I wish to get some updated packages for make menuconfig... |
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| 02:25.23 | dondelelcaro | laidback_01: you don't want to mix and match. |
| 02:25.52 | Kvant | laidback_01, you may want to take a look at backports, do /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:25.55 | dondelelcaro | laidback_01: and you shouldn't need updated packages to run make menuconfig. |
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| 02:27.02 | eldowan | stoned: do you know if amarok works with nas? |
| 02:27.05 | dondelelcaro | Alonso: the question is whether it's a fine or a "fine" |
| 02:27.07 | laidback_01 | okay, well, it's a fresh install. when compiling xen from scratch... I type make menuconfig and get this error: |
| 02:27.11 | laidback_01 | >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 02:27.11 | laidback_01 | >> |
| 02:27.11 | laidback_01 | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 02:27.11 | laidback_01 | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
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| 02:27.26 | dvs_ | laidback_01: ncurses5-dev |
| 02:27.27 | Alonso | dondelelcaro: exactly. maybe it's a giant scam |
| 02:27.29 | dondelelcaro | laidback_01: don't paste here. You need to install libncurses5-dev |
| 02:27.30 | justin | laidback_01: there are xen packages for stable on backports.org, they run fine |
| 02:27.40 | laidback_01 | okay, thanks |
| 02:27.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell laidback_01 -about kp |
| 02:28.07 | dondelelcaro | laidback_01: you should also probably be using kernel-package (or the already extant kernel packages) instead. |
| 02:28.56 | Alonso | zention: should I check the linux kernel manual for more specific info or somthn like that? |
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| 02:31.06 | stoned | eldowan: I'm trying to get it to work right now |
| 02:32.03 | stoned | I'm importing an X session via XDMCP and I have nas installed and runing. How can I forward my audio traffic via nas with xdmcp, I'm using kde/kdm |
| 02:32.29 | stoned | I can't seem to be able to figure this out |
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| 02:33.02 | eldowan | stoned: you might need to find a client for nas on your workstation |
| 02:33.15 | eldowan | stoned: maybe a browser or somesuch. |
| 02:33.30 | stoned | eldowan: yes, but how to make the server work first? |
| 02:33.43 | stoned | what else do I need to do besides /etc/init.d/nas start |
| 02:33.46 | peterS | stoned: NAS uses an environment variable, AUDIO, I think it is, same format as DISPLAY |
| 02:33.49 | eldowan | stoned: oooh, I havnn't the slightest idea/ |
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| 02:34.06 | peterS | stoned: so like AUDIO=foo:0 means the NAS clients should connect to foo port 8000 |
| 02:34.31 | peterS | just like DISPLAY=foo:0 means X clients connect to foo port 6000 |
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| 02:35.03 | peterS | Alonso: dude. are you still off your meds? what is a symbionese liberation zone anyway? |
| 02:35.36 | stoned | export AUDIOSERVER="`hostname`:0" |
| 02:36.01 | peterS | maybe it is AUDIOSERVER ... I haven't used nas since 1996, my memory could be a little faulty |
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| 02:36.20 | nitro4ce | !restricted |
| 02:36.25 | nitro4ce | !restricted formats |
| 02:37.05 | nitro4ce | !Restricted_Formats |
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| 02:37.05 | nitro4ce | !w32codecs |
| 02:37.05 | dpkg | it has been said that w32codecs is a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. https://shop.fluendo.com/ |
| 02:37.05 | dvs_ | !tell nitro4ce about msg the bot |
| 02:37.10 | stoned | peterS: I just found the readme |
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| 02:38.51 | Alonso | peterS: its a zone for relationships of mutual benefit and dependence |
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| 02:40.06 | Alonso | peterS: the meds or the pets? |
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| 02:40.42 | nitro4ce | i cant hear mp3 |
| 02:40.51 | stoned | peterS: do I need to remove alsa/oss for nas to work? |
| 02:41.26 | yunhual | hello, when i install oracal, i got error message with swap partition too small, can i adjust my partition without any data lossing? |
| 02:41.28 | peterS | stoned: you just have to tell your apps to use nas for output. how to do this (or even if it's possible) is dependent on the app |
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| 02:42.25 | nitro4ce | i cant play mp3 files. please i need help. can u help me? |
| 02:43.05 | Alonso | nitro4ce: what player are you using? |
| 02:43.23 | nitro4ce | amarok |
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| 02:43.36 | Alonso | with gstreamer? |
| 02:43.41 | nitro4ce | no |
| 02:43.59 | stoned | peterS: I don't fully understand. Apps will run on laptop. Laptop has nasd + kdm. Desktop will access laptop through XDMCP. I also need sound of laptop apps playing on desktop. Does the desktop need to run nasd too? or just a client? or do I just tell apps to output using nas and thats all? AUDIOSERVER variable needs to be what exactly? AUDIOSERVER="laptop:1" or "desktop:1"? |
| 02:44.34 | Alonso | nitro4ce: maybe you should try the gstreamer0.8-mad package? |
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| 02:45.03 | yunhual | can any body here understand me ? sorry for my english. |
| 02:45.06 | stoned | did my text get all truncated? |
| 02:45.07 | peterS | stoned: remember that my understanding of nas dates to 1994-1996. from what I recall: programs on the laptop are told to use nas, and they have AUDIOSERVER=desktop:0. the desktop has nasd which listens on TCP 8000 and has access to your sound card. |
| 02:45.13 | nitro4ce | ok |
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| 02:45.51 | stoned | ahhh |
| 02:45.57 | dvs_ | ohhhh |
| 02:45.59 | stoned | see this is what I needed to know |
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| 02:46.34 | peterS | stoned: it's a similar architecture to X. the client runs on the laptop and the server on the desktop listens on a TCP port (6000 for X, 8000 for nas) and the server handles the UI |
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| 02:48.23 | yunhual | hello, when i install oracle, i got error message with swap partition too small, can i adjust my partition without any data lossing? |
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| 02:50.13 | multi_io | yunhual: if you have an unused partition, you can use it as a swap partition by adding it to /etc/fstab and calling swapon -a |
| 02:50.28 | Caelum | yunhual: you can just add a swap file too |
| 02:50.45 | yunhual | how to add a swap file ? |
| 02:50.54 | yunhual | i have no unused partition |
| 02:51.02 | bucky | yunhual: you can make a temporary swap file |
| 02:51.04 | bucky | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/adding-swap-file-to-your-linux-system.html |
| 02:51.35 | yunhual | bucky how to get temporary swap file ? |
| 02:51.38 | bucky | or just leave it on there if it needs to be permanent |
| 02:51.51 | bucky | yunhual: check out the link ^^ |
| 02:52.13 | yunhual | bucky thank you very much..:) |
| 02:52.18 | bucky | np |
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| 02:58.17 | karsten | yunhual: dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1m count=0 seek=128; mkswap swapfile; swapon swapfile |
| 02:58.44 | karsten | yunhual: That creates a sparse file, should fill w/ nulls as it expands, 128 MB. Size is defined by seek and the blocksize (1MB). |
| 02:58.52 | yunhual | karsten, thank you i am trying now. |
| 02:59.06 | karsten | yunhual: Alter size to suit needs. |
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| 03:07.27 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm trying to understand why 'drupal' is in Sid/unstable, yet not in Etch/testing -- it's been a long time past 10 days... |
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| 03:07.49 | gravity | Xenguy: Etch is frozen for the release |
| 03:07.56 | Xenguy | Someone pointed me at http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=drupal |
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| 03:08.03 | Xenguy | gravity: oh crap |
| 03:08.22 | Xenguy | gravity: Drupal *won't* be in Etch/stable ?! |
| 03:08.27 | Xenguy | ? |
| 03:08.31 | gravity | Xenguy: It's not looking likely... |
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| 03:08.55 | dooglus | !info drupal |
| 03:09.16 | Gnurdux | why not use the friggin unstable package |
| 03:09.21 | Xenguy | I was going to say I didn't understand too well the information on that URL above |
| 03:09.35 | gravity | Xenguy: You'd have to ask the maintainer why it's not in etch |
| 03:09.50 | Xenguy | Gnurdux: yeah, good point, and my next question - testing and sid should be pretty similar right? |
| 03:10.12 | Gnurdux | drupal == CMS, right? |
| 03:10.17 | Xenguy | so maybe I'll just try to install it |
| 03:10.19 | dooglus | sid had a huge number of updates a few dayds ago |
| 03:10.21 | Xenguy | Gnurdux: yeah |
| 03:10.35 | Gnurdux | thats not gonnah ave too many deps |
| 03:10.42 | Gnurdux | so i would expect it to work |
| 03:10.44 | Xenguy | or maybe I should just dist-upgrade to sid :P |
| 03:10.51 | Gnurdux | don't blame me if it doesnt |
| 03:10.59 | Xenguy | Gnurdux: of course :-) |
| 03:11.05 | dooglus | drupal-4.7 Depends: debconf (>= 1.2.0), apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | apache2, php4 | php5, php4-mysql | php4-pgsql | php5-mysql | php5-pgsql, exim4 | mail-transport-agent, wwwconfig-common (>= 0.0.37), mysql-client | virtual-mysql-client | postgresql-client-8.1 | postgresql-client-8.0 | postgresql-client, dbconfig-common, curl |
| 03:11.13 | Xenguy | I think I might just go to sid |
| 03:11.31 | Xenguy | dooglus: so it's probably a dependency ? |
| 03:11.42 | Xenguy | like a version problem? |
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| 03:11.49 | dooglus | Xenguy: that's a list of drupal-4.7's dependencies |
| 03:11.58 | dooglus | (in unstable) |
| 03:12.12 | Xenguy | dooglus: yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why it's not in Etch |
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| 03:13.10 | Xenguy | anyway, drupal is too cool to miss ;-) |
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| 03:13.29 | dooglus | Xenguy: I've no idea. |
| 03:14.09 | Xenguy | no worries |
| 03:14.25 | Xenguy | it looks like I've got 2 main options |
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| 03:14.50 | Xenguy | !beer Xenguy |
| 03:14.55 | Xenguy | ahhhhhhhh |
| 03:15.01 | dvs | ohhhhhhhhh |
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| 03:15.06 | dvs | abrotman: hi |
| 03:15.11 | abrotman | faster ? |
| 03:15.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:15.43 | abrotman | dvs: hi! |
| 03:15.47 | dvs | hi! |
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| 03:17.03 | dvs | the pres of what? AA? |
| 03:17.09 | Xenguy | haha |
| 03:17.16 | PingFloyd | of the hair club for men? |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | dvs: my compan |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | y |
| 03:17.33 | dvs | ohhhhhh... must be nice. |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | i think it's reverse psychology |
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| 03:18.00 | PingFloyd | he's getting ready to drop the bomb |
| 03:18.12 | PingFloyd | softenning you up |
| 03:18.17 | abrotman | she |
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| 03:18.26 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:18.31 | PingFloyd | abrotman: sorry to hear that |
| 03:18.35 | Xenguy | abrotman: she wants you |
| 03:18.35 | abrotman | it's a husband/wife team |
| 03:18.36 | karsten | abrotman: SWAK? |
| 03:18.47 | abrotman | but she's president |
| 03:19.01 | Xenguy | double trouble |
| 03:19.01 | PingFloyd | a male boss is bad enough, a female one tends to be pure hell |
| 03:19.03 | karsten | abrotman: WEBE |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | WNBT! |
| 03:19.26 | karsten | abrotman: YHBT! |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | PingFloyd: i'm actually the bad one in the office .. imagine that :) |
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| 03:19.41 | dvs | abrotman: noooooooooo?? really? |
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| 03:20.08 | stoned | is it possible somehow to forward xine audio output to esound |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | dvs: no .. really .. some personality online test thingine qualifies me as "Evil Genius" :) |
| 03:20.11 | stoned | or something |
| 03:20.22 | dvs | abrotman: Wil. E. Coyote! |
| 03:20.23 | abrotman | esd should be able to |
| 03:20.27 | abrotman | dvs: worse |
| 03:20.32 | Xenguy | heh |
| 03:20.36 | dvs | abrotman: The Brain? |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | dvs: i try :) |
| 03:21.03 | Xenguy | Adolph Hitler! |
| 03:21.08 | dvs | but I'm not Pinky! |
| 03:21.09 | abrotman | dpkg: what do you want to do tonight |
| 03:21.10 | PingFloyd | haha |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 03:21.33 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 03:21.34 | karsten | abrotman: install, purge, install, purge, that's all they want me to do. |
| 03:21.45 | abrotman | karsten: you're a build manager! |
| 03:21.46 | karsten | !beer abrotman |
| 03:21.55 | PingFloyd | GNazi |
| 03:22.01 | Xenguy | !beer everyone |
| 03:22.05 | abrotman | no mas! |
| 03:22.06 | dvs | sounds like a program! |
| 03:22.26 | karsten | abrotman: s/Try to t/T/ |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | build manager! |
| 03:23.13 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | install purge install purge |
| 03:23.46 | karsten | abrotman: apt-bulemia. |
| 03:23.57 | Ronin | beat me to it |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:24.19 | karsten | ;-) |
| 03:24.20 | abrotman | apt-cache bulemia sounds more correct |
| 03:24.40 | Ronin | dpkd --purge bulemia |
| 03:24.44 | Ronin | damn it |
| 03:24.51 | Ronin | guess ive had that one beer too many |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | i think you need to do both -i and -P :) |
| 03:25.04 | dvs | boy, abrotman's really good! |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 03:26.57 | karsten | abrotman: Wrong answer. |
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| 03:27.02 | karsten | abrotman: "That's what all the girls say". |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | they do... but AFAIK .. none of you are girls :) |
| 03:28.01 | karsten | abrotman: Does the fact that we're not girls change what the girls say? |
| 03:28.11 | abrotman | no .. but i don't want to hear it from you! |
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| 03:28.35 | abrotman | markybob: make them stop! |
| 03:29.22 | markybob | abrotman, if i could, i would've done so decades ago :) |
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| 03:29.46 | abrotman | markybob: my parents would be happy :) |
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| 03:29.53 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 03:30.04 | abrotman | hi Daveman .. where've you been hiding ? |
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| 03:30.31 | Daveman | abrotman, away :) |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 03:30.56 | Daveman | Literally |
| 03:31.03 | abrotman | padded room ? |
| 03:31.04 | Daveman | How's things been? |
| 03:31.10 | karsten | Daveman: You made bail! |
| 03:31.15 | Daveman | No, (unfortunately?) |
| 03:31.23 | Daveman | karsten, they'd never take me alive! >:) |
| 03:31.25 | larsl | Hello, I'm trying to build the nvidia-kernel-legacy package from source (need to patch it for 2.6.20), so I've installed the source package, unpacked it, and ran 'dpkg-buildpackage' in the source directory, but I get the error message "cannot read control file debian/control: No such file or directory" (which is true). What do I need to do? |
| 03:31.52 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 03:31.53 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 03:32.14 | abrotman | Daveman: i've heard they're fun .. but i've no personal experience |
| 03:32.25 | Daveman | Alright. |
| 03:32.56 | Daveman | I'm sure I could get several first-hand accounts from various users in #perl, however :) |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:33.57 | stoned | ok |
| 03:34.10 | stoned | I managed to get Xming + esound + kdm/xdmcp to work |
| 03:34.15 | stoned | sound is choppy, esd sucks |
| 03:34.20 | stoned | any way to tweak it to make it faster? |
| 03:34.20 | Daveman | that's not to say #debian doesn't have it's own... ;) |
| 03:34.29 | stoned | adjust some buffering some meory etc. |
| 03:34.32 | stoned | something? |
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| 03:35.46 | abrotman | mpd is another sound daemon |
| 03:36.08 | stoned | hmm |
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| 03:36.20 | stoned | I can't seem to find if xming supports nas or not |
| 03:36.29 | stoned | looked all over xming notes |
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| 03:37.36 | stoned | hi |
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| 03:42.11 | damog | abanrotmamn! |
| 03:43.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:43.54 | LinuxKeitaro | hello |
| 03:44.11 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm trying to create an access point with my debian box via http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/1729226 |
| 03:45.05 | abrotman | i hope there's more to the story :) |
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| 03:45.24 | LinuxKeitaro | abrot - sorry, I'm trying to figure out what to say .... |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | it no workie! |
| 03:46.04 | markybob | !ask |
| 03:46.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:46.06 | LinuxKeitaro | ah, ok - via ifconfig or iwconfig - how can I tell if things worked right? |
| 03:46.14 | markybob | !ping |
| 03:46.15 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | maybe TX and RX |
| 03:46.45 | markybob | elementary, my dear |
| 03:47.08 | markybob | yeah...that really doesnt sound cool without a 'watson' at the end ;) sorry |
| 03:47.13 | LinuxKeitaro | hehe |
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| 03:48.02 | LinuxKeitaro | the only wireless device I have to connect to it is a Wii - and so I am not sure if it's a Nintendo issue or a Debian issue - so I'm trying to make sure everything is working right on the Debian side |
| 03:49.06 | markybob | hrm. i wonder if iwlist foo scan would list itself if the box was an ap. anyone know? |
| 03:49.15 | LinuxKeitaro | possibly reason why this isn't working is that my ath0 does not have an ip address associated with it |
| 03:49.21 | LinuxKeitaro | neither does the br0 nor eth0 |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | can the debian box show the dhcp requests from the wii ? |
| 03:49.42 | lordnazgul | I am trying to recompile my kernel on a 2 cpu box. The stock i686-smp kernel works just fine, but when i try booting the kernel that I built, it always hangs immediately after initializing the first processor. right before initiliazing the second. any ideas? |
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| 03:50.06 | abrotman | lordnazgul: why ? |
| 03:50.07 | markybob | lordnazgul, you compiled with the wrong type of processor selected? |
| 03:50.22 | LinuxKeitaro | abrot - I don't think so - RX and TX are 0 |
| 03:50.32 | margiolas | hello, how i can set gdm as default manager? |
| 03:50.43 | markybob | LinuxKeitaro, you did up the interface, right? |
| 03:50.46 | lordnazgul | markybob no it initialises the first one ok. but not the second |
| 03:51.04 | abrotman | margiolas: /etc/X11/default-display-manager or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 03:51.19 | LinuxKeitaro | marky, I did everything on http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/1729226 under "now let's create teh bridge" |
| 03:51.50 | abrotman | i love "teh" bridge! |
| 03:51.52 | LinuxKeitaro | and then under "create a new hostapd.conf file" |
| 03:52.05 | LinuxKeitaro | it's teh best ! :) |
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| 03:52.49 | LinuxKeitaro | ever since word processors started autocorrecting, my "the" has been getting worse and worse |
| 03:52.50 | lordnazgul | abrotman ? |
| 03:53.18 | LinuxKeitaro | hmm |
| 03:53.19 | karsten | LinuxKeitaro: Worse is when you _want_ to write "teh" and find it's autocorrected for you. |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | lordnazgul: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 03:53.25 | LinuxKeitaro | I take back part of what I said |
| 03:53.30 | abrotman | karsten: yay xchat :) |
| 03:53.34 | lordnazgul | abrotman grsecurity |
| 03:53.39 | LinuxKeitaro | the ath0 shows RX bytes: 2KiB |
| 03:53.43 | LinuxKeitaro | so I guess it's def up |
| 03:53.45 | karsten | abrotman: ... I find I write markedly worse when I don't use it. |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | karsten: you're american .. you went to .US schools .. spelling isn't important! |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | lordnazgul: in etch? i don't believe you need to do that anymore |
| 03:54.41 | lordnazgul | abrotman really?? news to me |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | !find grsec etch |
| 03:55.11 | lordnazgul | !find grsec etch |
| 03:55.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'grsec' (2): (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/grsecurity.rules) in admin/prelude-lml ;; (/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/grsecurity2, /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/unpatch/grsecurity2, /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/grsecurity2/{grsecurity-2.1.9-2.4.33.3.patch.gz|grsecurity-2.1.9-2.6.18.1.patch.gz}) in devel/kernel-patch-grsecurity2. |
| 03:55.16 | dpkg | kernel-patch-grsecurity2: (grsecurity kernel patch - new major upstream version), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.1.9.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 03:55.18 | abrotman | once is enoung :) |
| 03:55.44 | abrotman | lordnazgul: apt-cache search grsec |
| 03:55.48 | lordnazgul | oops sorry. |
| 03:55.53 | lordnazgul | thanx for the info |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | lordnazgul: at least .. i think so .. but i could be wrong .. but the docs for the patch should help you |
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| 03:57.37 | lordnazgul | abrotman ive never done the whole kernel thing the 'debian' way. can i just apply that patch to a stock kernel and dont need to recompile, or do i download the source and rebuild it? |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | i'm sure you still need to compile .. |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | judging on the package name |
| 03:58.11 | abrotman | !grsedc |
| 03:58.13 | abrotman | !grsec |
| 03:58.14 | dpkg | hmm... grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 03:58.26 | abrotman | dpkg: you call that useful information?! |
| 03:58.50 | LinuxKeitaro | I found one typeo in my hostapd.conf file - off to see if that fixed things |
| 03:58.55 | lordnazgul | just looking and the docs and it says it cant be used for 2.4.20+ and i have to use 2.4 because there is a driver issue with 2.6 and the dc960 |
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| 03:59.13 | abrotman | lordnazgul: dc960 as in the DAC960 SCSI controller ? |
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| 03:59.45 | lordnazgul | abrotman oops forgot the 'a'. Yeah the 2.6 kernel doesnt generate entropy |
| 04:00.08 | dondelelcaro | it does, but it doesn't use most network interrupts to do so. |
| 04:00.19 | abrotman | i have a DAC960 at the office .. and it did run linux at one point .. but i don't remember the kernel version |
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| 04:00.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: give it a few .. it will die :) |
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| 04:01.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's been running constantly for 2 years already |
| 04:01.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: shhh .. don't ruin the mystique! |
| 04:01.37 | dondelelcaro | well, minus restarting for kernel upgrades and the ilk |
| 04:01.39 | abrotman | i thought i had run 2.6 on the DAC960 too .. but it's been a while |
| 04:01.51 | lordnazgul | dondelelarco i ran into a problem a few months ago and none of my outbound emails were going out because my system had no entropy. does your system have other sources of entropy like disk drives not on the card or people using the console? |
| 04:02.08 | LinuxKeitaro | how can I tell if the Wii is trying to connect to the wireless card? |
| 04:02.18 | abrotman | the DHCPD might have logs |
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| 04:02.39 | stoned | eldowan: hi |
| 04:02.46 | justicethegrat | hi |
| 04:02.50 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: the system will block if it doesn't have entropy; nothing you're using should actually need that much entropy unless you're doing a lot of ssl |
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| 04:03.15 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: if that's the case, then you may need to enable the network interupts increasing entropy or add a real source of entropy like an entropy card. |
| 04:03.20 | lordnazgul | dondelelarco i am because my smarthost uses it |
| 04:03.23 | stoned | eldowan: I managed to get esound+amarok+xming(or any xserver_/xdmcp working. It isn't slow at all actually. Works quite nicely. |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | isn't there an app that helps create entropy ? |
| 04:04.03 | lordnazgul | updatedb works pretty well for a quick fix ;) |
| 04:04.04 | LinuxKeitaro | in iwconfig for essid should it have the ssid I chose in hostapd? |
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| 04:04.26 | markybob | abrotman, reseed |
| 04:04.36 | karsten | LinuxKeitaro: "ANY" for no preference. Otherwise the ESSID of the AP you want. |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | could lordnazgul use that on 2.6 ? |
| 04:04.43 | karsten | LinuxKeitaro: kismet is good for finding same. |
| 04:04.43 | eldowan | stoned: #amarok is suggesting using a daap server, and amarok as a client. |
| 04:04.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: supposedly having a soundcard loaded with the microphone enabled will generate entropy |
| 04:04.53 | markybob | abrotman, afaik |
| 04:04.54 | karsten | abrotman: irssi? |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | do you need a microphone actually plugged in ? |
| 04:05.04 | stoned | eldowan: if it starts to get too slow I'll find another way |
| 04:05.09 | stoned | eldowan: for now, its great |
| 04:05.10 | abrotman | karsten: i am not an IRC client! |
| 04:05.13 | infernix | what is a simple commandline method to convert html codes (like %20 and %26) to normal characters? |
| 04:05.17 | stoned | I can play oblivion while still use amarok |
| 04:05.26 | stoned | I should sell my ram and get better ram |
| 04:05.29 | stoned | and more of it |
| 04:05.30 | karsten | infernix: Possibly: iconv. |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | infernix: look at the ascii table |
| 04:05.32 | eldowan | stoned: I'm interested, And when you get down here I will really need you to help me with xdmcp |
| 04:05.36 | LinuxKeitaro | karsten - if I set my access point to have a certain essid in hostapd, shouldn't this show up for the ath0 in iwconfig? |
| 04:05.51 | stoned | eldowan: I'm gonna need you go help me get around. I don't know the city at all. |
| 04:05.54 | stoned | :D |
| 04:06.28 | eldowan | stoned: I'm not familiar with anything inside of Beltway 8, and you will be staying right in the center of it. inside 610, and I know that area even less. |
| 04:06.37 | eldowan | stoned: I can only be of help if you are on the NW side |
| 04:06.58 | stoned | well I don't know where exactly is the house I'm renting |
| 04:07.01 | abrotman | east side! |
| 04:07.05 | stoned | I know I'm not living in a fucking apt. |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | damn apartments are always doing that |
| 04:07.20 | eldowan | stoned: I thought you were going to be staying w/ you'r sister |
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| 04:07.31 | stoned | yes.. I'm not a freeloader. |
| 04:07.33 | eldowan | abrotman: is that why they keep springing up all over the place? |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 04:08.01 | lordnazgul | anyhow does anyone have any idea why the kernel would hang after initializing the first processor and before the second? |
| 04:08.11 | abrotman | APIC ? |
| 04:08.16 | eldowan | cell? |
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| 04:08.44 | karsten | LinuxKeitaro: Not sure. My wifi-fu is weak. |
| 04:09.06 | abrotman | karsten: admit it .. you use token ring! |
| 04:09.09 | stoned | eldowan: Sis is buying a house. Staying with her is good right now. Home cooked pakistani food, clean house, family. Its not like I can't afford my own place. I just am sick of living alone man. It sucks ass. When I get married I'll be having my own house of course |
| 04:09.36 | stoned | eldowan: though its still in the back of my head... Food/family vs. Partying/freedom |
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| 04:09.41 | stoned | can't decide! |
| 04:09.53 | abrotman | stoned: get both? |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | I think I should grow up now and stop partying, I'm not getting any younger |
| 04:10.17 | stoned | maybe finish school and do something with myself |
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| 04:11.12 | lseifert | any ideas how i can stop messages of the kind "usb 2-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" to flood my root console and syslog? |
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| 04:13.52 | eldowan | stoned: cut back on the partying a little (you knwo what I mean) and go back to school at the same time. |
| 04:14.57 | abrotman | school implies partying! |
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| 04:15.24 | stoned | abrotman: yeh |
| 04:15.42 | stoned | I think Guerin must have been right |
| 04:15.53 | stoned | 2-3 ounces of pot a month is a bit much |
| 04:15.58 | stoned | I'm gonna cut back man |
| 04:16.08 | stoned | I'm hungry |
| 04:16.11 | stoned | bbs |
| 04:16.15 | abrotman | almost QOTD worthy ... |
| 04:16.15 | lseifert | give it up completely and donate the $$$ to an open source project |
| 04:16.19 | lseifert | your head will thank you |
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| 04:16.51 | abrotman | lseifert: you can change the syslog config to not do that IIRC |
| 04:17.04 | eldowan | damn, I thought 1/2 was a bit much a month. :D |
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| 04:17.08 | eldowan | stoned: ^^ |
| 04:17.18 | lseifert | abrotman, and the annoying messages on the console? looks like it comes from the kernel |
| 04:17.29 | stoned | wow |
| 04:17.32 | stoned | a half |
| 04:17.36 | stoned | wow |
| 04:17.40 | eldowan | I'm a lightweight |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | lseifert: right .. but IIRC syslog is the culprit .. putting them on your console and your log |
| 04:17.48 | eldowan | oh, thats between two people. :D |
| 04:17.48 | stoned | thats like 1 night of staying up for me |
| 04:17.52 | lseifert | was almost smacked my PC when i tried to edit lilo.conf and this crap kept popping up |
| 04:17.56 | stoned | lol |
| 04:18.06 | eldowan | stoned: no lows though. |
| 04:18.10 | stoned | anyway |
| 04:18.14 | sbk | any debian-using hams around? :-) I'd like to take input from a receiver, and apply some digital filters to it. Would be great to also see waterfall output, etc. Suggestions for an appropriate application? |
| 04:18.15 | stoned | enuff pot talk |
| 04:18.18 | stoned | food |
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| 04:18.28 | lseifert | abrotman, well its Debian Sid's default obviously. i did not set it up this way |
| 04:18.44 | abrotman | i know .. but i think ytou can change it |
| 04:18.55 | lseifert | yeah, but where :) |
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| 04:20.00 | abrotman | /etc/syslog.conf |
| 04:20.35 | hark | /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 04:20.49 | abrotman | make up my mind! |
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| 04:21.41 | hark | lseifert: there should be a kernel.printk line or something.. |
| 04:21.55 | markybob | anyone actually used random.org as a part of a production app? curious as to what its reliability is. |
| 04:22.39 | lseifert | hark, ah. printk! that was the keyword i am looking for. thanks! |
| 04:23.13 | hark | lseifert: or /etc/default/klogd as well, but i think this is the recommended way now |
| 04:23.35 | hark | sysctl -p |
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| 04:25.06 | lseifert | /etc/sysctl.conf looks suspicious. but i thought that was replaced by sysfs |
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| 04:26.39 | hark | that's something else |
| 04:27.45 | lseifert | but it not sysctl using /proc? |
| 04:28.46 | hark | /proc/sys afaik |
| 04:29.18 | hark | ah, the procfs/sysfs thing.. |
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| 04:30.41 | larsl | Isn't sysfs deprecated? |
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| 04:33.16 | hark | larsl: no, i don't think so |
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| 04:34.38 | hark | the non process related stuff was moved to sysfs from 2.6 on |
| 04:34.42 | hark | !sysfs |
| 04:34.42 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation; grep -r sysfs * |
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| 04:37.02 | larsl | Right, it was only part of it that was deprecated in 2.6.20-rc5. |
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| 04:37.12 | eldowan | markybob: why not use the <uptime in seconds> digit of pi, divided by (pi^<uptime in seconds>)? |
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| 04:38.11 | markybob | eldowan, eh. i suppose that's relatively safe enough. |
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| 04:38.33 | eldowan | markybob: pi has no statical repeated patterns... |
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| 04:41.38 | mne | hi. some time ago I patched my debian kernel to include openmosix support, so I could dynamically spread the workload in a kind of grid computing way. Unfortunately, openmosix2.6 is still in alpha state. Are you guys aware of other SSI solutions ? |
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| 05:03.10 | Lektron | hi. how can i save entries to the routing table as permanent, so they are restored when the machine is re-booted? |
| 05:04.39 | Guerin | Lektron: put route commands into an `up' line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:05.45 | Lektron | Guerin: ah, yes. Thanks ! |
| 05:06.05 | kupesoft | My /etc/network/interfaces looks like... |
| 05:06.06 | kupesoft | iface eth0 inet static |
| 05:06.06 | kupesoft | address 192.168.1.125 |
| 05:06.06 | kupesoft | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:06.06 | kupesoft | gateway 192.168.1.1 |
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| 05:06.22 | kupesoft | How do I mimic that with ifconfig? |
| 05:06.25 | Xenguy | b-bye |
| 05:07.00 | mne | kupesoft, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.125 netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:07.17 | kupesoft | ah, I was wondering how to specify gateway with "ifconfig" |
| 05:07.21 | kupesoft | It's a seperate command (= |
| 05:07.40 | kupesoft | Thanks! |
| 05:07.47 | mne | np |
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| 05:08.43 | LinuxKeitaro | hello, I'm following http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/1729226 to turn my debian box into an access point to connect my Wii |
| 05:09.02 | LinuxKeitaro | I finally fixed all my bugs so that the Wii actually finds the access point |
| 05:09.14 | LinuxKeitaro | however, it complains that it can't connect to the internet |
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| 05:09.45 | LinuxKeitaro | I followed the tutorial to the letter - where code was given |
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| 05:10.07 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm wondering if, in order to be able to pass traffic through, I need to set an ip address for br0 or eth0 |
| 05:10.15 | liable | LinuxKeitaro: so it gets an ip from your debian box? |
| 05:10.31 | muhoo | how would i make hald/dbus/udev stop polling devices, i.e. my cdrom drive? |
| 05:10.44 | LinuxKeitaro | liable - what is "it"? |
| 05:10.57 | muhoo | i'm trying to do realtime stuff and i suspect that something is polling the cdrom drive every 1 second |
| 05:10.59 | liable | LinuxKeitaro: the client, ie, your wii |
| 05:11.14 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm not sure if that's the problem or not |
| 05:11.19 | mne | LinuxKeitaro, i guess you need to enable ipforwarding for that. also be sure that iptables doesn't block forwarding packets between interfaces |
| 05:11.23 | LinuxKeitaro | I know that I also cannot ssh my box as it is right now |
| 05:12.01 | LinuxKeitaro | the article mentions giving the bridge an ip address for that purpose |
| 05:12.05 | LinuxKeitaro | but it doesn't say how |
| 05:12.37 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: add the lines for addresses after the bridge_ports stuff in the interfaces file |
| 05:13.42 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: though that has nothing to do with your problem |
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| 05:14.03 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - which lines would those be? (so that I cn ssh in) |
| 05:14.25 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: whatever you used to have for eth0 |
| 05:14.39 | LinuxKeitaro | hmm |
| 05:14.40 | LinuxKeitaro | ok |
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| 05:27.22 | resistance | how can i check which ports are open on my linux server |
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| 05:28.44 | Gokee2 | Anyone know why writting a cd would slow down a computer (athlon XP 1800 with 256 MB ram) so far its unusable? |
| 05:28.55 | liable | netstat -plunt (for servers listening) |
| 05:29.17 | Gokee2 | The cd is able to write at 1.4x |
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| 05:31.23 | justin | Gokee2: dma not on |
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| 05:33.35 | LinuxKeitaro | ok, good progress on getting that wii connected |
| 05:33.42 | LinuxKeitaro | looks like, according to nintendo, i need to make srue |
| 05:33.53 | LinuxKeitaro | it's in mixed mode because it's a b device, not g |
| 05:33.55 | LinuxKeitaro | how do I do that? |
| 05:35.45 | Gokee2 | justin, Hmm How do I check to see if its on? |
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| 05:39.03 | eldowan | !test |
| 05:39.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 05:41.34 | prolific | Is there any way to find out the password attempt in an sshd log? |
| 05:41.48 | liable | haha, england all out for 110 :P |
| 05:42.00 | liable | prolific: what do you mean? |
| 05:42.23 | prolific | The password of a failed login attempt |
| 05:42.58 | Gokee2 | hdd: status error: error=0x7f { IllegalLengthIndication EndOfMedia AbortedCommand MediaChangeRequested LastFailedSense=0x07 } <-- I have a lot of those in dmesg |
| 05:43.27 | liable | prolific: hrm, not sure, of course the username is in the log, but i dunno how to get what they tried for password |
| 05:43.28 | markybob | Gokee2, buy a new drive |
| 05:43.49 | larsl | prolific: I'm pretty sure there isn't. |
| 05:44.10 | Gokee2 | markybob? You think my drive is broke? Its a nice dual layer dvd burner.... |
| 05:44.12 | markybob | prolific, cant do it. you could make your own fake ssh daemon, though, which just records the input and asks again |
| 05:44.27 | markybob | prolific, and then put your real sshd on a different port |
| 05:44.30 | larsl | I don't even think the password is ever sent to you in plaintext. |
| 05:45.06 | markybob | it's not |
| 05:46.32 | eldowan | Gokee2: does that mesage seem to occur when there is a commercial dvd in the drive? |
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| 05:48.32 | Gokee2 | eldowan, I am not sure its from that drive... I am burning with the drive now and dmesg is not saying anything new. I had been trying to play a cd in the other drive at the same time as burning but it was playing so poorly I decided to play the cd from a diffrent computer. I am not sure is hdd is the cdrom or the burner. |
| 05:48.53 | Gokee2 | is=if |
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| 05:51.31 | eldowan | Gokee2: cat /etc/fstab, if you know your mountpoints, you should have an easy time figuring out which is which. |
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| 05:53.19 | Gokee2 | eldowan, I looked at fstab and /dev/hdd is not there. |
| 05:54.23 | Gokee2 | but k3b is now done it looks like the problem was from my dvd burner |
| 05:54.51 | eldowan | Gokee2: it kept new generating new messages when you were burning? |
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| 05:55.30 | Gokee2 | no the msgs stoped near the beginning of the burn |
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| 05:56.32 | eldowan | Gokee2: so the messages started after the blank was placed in, and stopped just after starting the burn? |
| 05:57.07 | dxy | i just installed linux debian network minimal install iso, im about to install Xorg, but i get error message: cant find xserver-xorg package from this command: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 05:58.57 | n3kl_ | I just installed mysql-server an a fresh system. When I try to mysql -u root to set the password, it will not allow me to login: access denied. Does anyone know why? |
| 05:59.02 | Gokee2 | I am not sure. I started the burn, computer was very slow I decided to try playing a cd anyway. CD was choppy so I placed it in another computer then I looked at dmesg and say the nasty things it had said and after that was some hdc...my cdrom drive! stuff. and a bunch of other stuff |
| 05:59.17 | dxy | how do i add, xorg packages to source.list? |
| 05:59.41 | liable | dxy: you have sarge or ?? |
| 06:00.13 | dxy | liable im new to linux, is there a command to verify which one im using? |
| 06:00.26 | liable | dxy: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:00.44 | Gokee2 | dxy, You could try the backports source (that is if you are useing stable which I don`t think has xorg yet) |
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| 06:01.16 | n3kl_ | nevermind, I have too many terminals open =| |
| 06:01.21 | Lektron | Guerin: I am trying to use an "up" command in /etc/network/interfaces, but not successful. any special syntax or trick? |
| 06:01.28 | JohnQ | What's the "debianized" way to reconfigure a net interface which used to be static ip to dhcp instead. |
| 06:01.42 | liable | Lektron: up?? you mean ifup? |
| 06:01.50 | markybob | JohnQ, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:02.03 | eldowan | Gokee2: My guess is that those errors were just optical misreads. a spinning media which may have dust, which may slide, or possible fingerprints which may burn-off or slide with the spinning up or down. |
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| 06:02.34 | eldowan | JohnQ: I've always edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:03.00 | JohnQ | How should it read? change "static" to "dynamic" and remove the address, netmask, and broadcast lines? |
| 06:03.08 | markybob | JohnQ, man interfaces |
| 06:03.18 | JohnQ | ah yes. thx |
| 06:03.53 | dxy | liable debian linux 4.0 |
| 06:04.06 | liable | dxy: the xorg is already in it |
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| 06:05.29 | Gokee2 | eldowan, Ok, I won`t worry about it until next time I burn a dvd and it takes forever and slows down my computer.... |
| 06:06.12 | eldowan | Gokee2: it is an ide burner, try and find if you have dma turnned on |
| 06:06.38 | Gokee2 | eldowan, It is, do you know how to check on dma? |
| 06:08.03 | eldowan | hdparm I think |
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| 06:13.55 | Gokee2 | eldowan, I got it and checked dma is off! Thanks! :) |
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| 06:15.14 | eldowan | Gokee2: I think dma being on would be better. |
| 06:15.34 | liable | yeah |
| 06:15.47 | Gokee2 | eldowan, So do I, hdparm looks like it would turn it on for me.... If I knew how to use it.... |
| 06:16.02 | liable | man hdparm? |
| 06:16.48 | stoned | ab |
| 06:16.51 | eldowan | Gokee2: it would, look at the man pages, or search google |
| 06:16.53 | Gokee2 | Yep :) |
| 06:16.58 | eldowan | stoned: ever thought about random number generation? |
| 06:17.09 | stoned | tomato |
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| 06:17.25 | liable | on taost, with pepper and vinegar |
| 06:18.23 | stoned | I'm trying to figure out to make my irssi statusbar not so ugly |
| 06:18.35 | stoned | and trying to align the texts and such |
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| 06:19.39 | liable | the bit at the top? |
| 06:19.47 | stoned | no |
| 06:19.52 | stoned | bottom, just colors |
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| 06:19.57 | liable | the bit at the bottom? |
| 06:20.04 | stoned | yes |
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| 06:20.18 | stoned | hmm |
| 06:20.24 | liable | whats ugly about it? |
| 06:20.29 | stoned | hold on |
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| 06:21.05 | stoned | testing.. say something |
| 06:21.18 | liable | something |
| 06:21.25 | stoned | ok |
| 06:21.30 | stoned | seems to work fine |
| 06:21.33 | stoned | looks nice |
| 06:21.35 | stoned | wanna see? |
| 06:21.42 | Gokee2 | Yay dma is on |
| 06:21.48 | Gokee2 | time to try burning again |
| 06:21.51 | liable | sure, cause i dunno wtf your talking about |
| 06:22.01 | eldowan | Gokee2: hopefully you will not have so many errors. |
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| 06:25.07 | Gokee2 | This time my computer froze |
| 06:25.31 | eldowan | Gokee2: are you at another computer? |
| 06:25.37 | liable | stoned: wheres the screenshot? |
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| 06:26.22 | Gokee2 | eldowan, Yes, although I use synergy so I have to find grab a diffrent keyboard to talk now |
| 06:27.13 | eldowan | so you are typing through your frozen computer? |
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| 06:29.10 | stoned | oh |
| 06:29.13 | stoned | I gofor |
| 06:29.15 | stoned | tforgot |
| 06:29.20 | stoned | derrr. |
| 06:29.22 | Gokee2 | eldowan, no it was gone. I tried everything but ssh, I am too lazy to bring ssh up on a diffrent computer. Now its rebooted |
| 06:29.28 | Guerin | stoned: you need either more, or less dope |
| 06:29.34 | eldowan | I concur |
| 06:29.49 | eldowan | Gokee2: Ahh, a simple ping :D |
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| 06:30.12 | Gokee2 | to lazy to bring up a console... :0 |
| 06:30.27 | Gokee2 | I don`t like trying to find my mouse and keyboard |
| 06:30.35 | JohnQ | I'm back. :-( For some reason, my linux box is not getting a DHCP reply from comcast, but my mac gets one fine.. I can see the dhcp requests on the interface with tcpdump (as well as a lot of arp traffic from comcast for some reason) but no dhcp replies with my mac address. any ideas? |
| 06:30.39 | Gokee2 | thats why I use synergy so I only need one of each |
| 06:30.55 | Gokee2 | I am going to try the burn again |
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| 06:31.33 | liable | JohnQ: i take it this is wireless? |
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| 06:32.03 | JohnQ | nope.. wired |
| 06:32.25 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/ss/irssi.amarok.png |
| 06:32.34 | liable | eh, thats even worser |
| 06:32.41 | stoned | here what I had it look like so far |
| 06:32.43 | stoned | made* |
| 06:32.47 | stoned | I'm bored |
| 06:33.53 | JohnQ | can you think of any reason that comcast would ignore me? |
| 06:33.55 | brainly-green | imagine disposing of a barrel of sodium by dumping it in a lake |
| 06:34.03 | liable | stoned: what is that, some sort of dyn dns service? |
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| 06:34.18 | stoned | liable: yes |
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| 06:34.34 | liable | JohnQ: try dhcp3client |
| 06:34.34 | jishin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.44 | liable | stoned: your upload blows :P |
| 06:34.52 | itchi | stoned: buerk, xp |
| 06:34.56 | stoned | jishin: precicely the reason I'm running xp |
| 06:35.01 | liable | stoned: your even making my dialup wait! |
| 06:35.12 | Gokee2 | its starting and going at 4.5x :/ a lot faster still not great... but the main thing is the computer works great while burning. Thanks! |
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| 06:35.22 | stoned | jishin: I've got the jmicron pata controller problems, as well as sky2 does not work with my marvel gigabit eth |
| 06:35.38 | itchi | stoned: What's that X icon on the desktop? It's no cygwin? |
| 06:35.39 | stoned | liable: I've got like tons of torrents being downloaded |
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| 06:35.43 | JohnQ | I dont seem to have it installed... just dhclient... |
| 06:35.44 | stoned | I'm leeching death metal from IRC |
| 06:35.49 | stoned | I got mp3 servers on irc |
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| 06:36.00 | stoned | c'mon man, I got like 90kb/s up on this crappy cable |
| 06:36.02 | stoned | now shush |
| 06:36.21 | itchi | vmware sucks, compared to qemu. Qemu is near 4 times faster as that vmware, i can not believe it |
| 06:36.22 | stoned | itchi: Xming |
| 06:37.05 | itchi | stoned: Thanks ;-) Gona look about it |
| 06:37.05 | jishin | there's a bug with sky2 in recent kernel, but it seem not being solved yet |
| 06:37.05 | stoned | its supports audio traffic as well with xdmcp/ssh |
| 06:37.06 | liable | JohnQ: being ethernet, the only thing i can think is to try another client. the iface is up i take it? |
| 06:37.06 | itchi | ... and qemu only use on core of the duo, while vmware use the both. Weird |
| 06:37.20 | JohnQ | it seems to be, yes |
| 06:37.32 | liable | JohnQ: ifconfig shows it as up? |
| 06:37.46 | eldowan | itchi: I like vmware's feature set. works for me. |
| 06:38.04 | stoned | vmware is better than most |
| 06:38.09 | stoned | but c'mon lets face it |
| 06:38.17 | stoned | its like being the pretties IHOP waitress |
| 06:38.22 | itchi | eldowan: The features that make the stuff slow?? |
| 06:38.25 | JohnQ | yes |
| 06:38.42 | eldowan | itchi: it is fast enough for my purposes. light windows usage for user support at work. |
| 06:38.45 | stoned | being the best for the task doesn't neccesserily mean its good |
| 06:38.50 | Gokee2 | 8x now :) |
| 06:38.58 | eldowan | Gokee2: dma solved your issues? |
| 06:38.59 | itchi | eldowan: Serious, qemu is mega, compared to that other crap. I can not believe it. Before vmware was many faster. Looks like some things have changed |
| 06:39.23 | eldowan | itchi: I don't understand any of your last message. please re word? |
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| 06:39.43 | JohnQ | hmm |
| 06:39.51 | stoned | lol |
| 06:39.52 | Gokee2 | eldowan, Seems so, this dvd is 65% done at 6 min in and the computer works. last dvd took 30 min or so |
| 06:39.52 | stoned | haha |
| 06:40.03 | Gokee2 | and the computer was not usable |
| 06:40.07 | eldowan | stoned: whats so funny? |
| 06:40.09 | stoned | many faster |
| 06:40.11 | stoned | thats funny |
| 06:40.13 | liable | time to go buy a rediculously priced pizza |
| 06:40.13 | eldowan | Gokee2: I'm glad it workd for you. |
| 06:40.14 | itchi | It's near a hour that i wait with that vmware :-s Just used qemu before and have install 3 vm's today, i still wait to install my first, in vmware |
| 06:40.33 | itchi | 3 in lesser than a hour |
| 06:40.40 | stoned | eldowan: clearly english isn't the first language so just be at ease |
| 06:40.43 | liable | stoned: as you prolly noticed, his engrish aint so great |
| 06:40.55 | eldowan | stoned: that is why I was polite when I asked for a repeat. |
| 06:40.55 | stoned | liable: I did |
| 06:41.11 | stoned | oh word man, definitely word |
| 06:41.14 | stoned | :) |
| 06:41.22 | eldowan | itchi: does quemu have afcilities for administering remote VMs? |
| 06:41.32 | itchi | eldowan: ssh?? |
| 06:41.57 | itchi | eldowan: Just use the right tool for the right job ;-) |
| 06:42.01 | eldowan | itchi: vmware provides a remote console, which gives you the 'console' access to the machine. |
| 06:42.19 | Gokee2 | Done in 8:38 about a 375% improvment plus a working computer while it works! Thanks eldowan :) |
| 06:42.31 | eldowan | itchi: I like the performance gains qemu might give, but I have multiple machines hosting vms, which I need straight console access. |
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| 06:42.37 | eldowan | Gokee2: any time :D |
| 06:42.48 | itchi | eldowan: I talk about the vmware workstation |
| 06:43.03 | itchi | eldowan: I not want to test that slow vmware server :-) |
| 06:43.30 | itchi | Maybe, just a bit sad that qemu is so /hard/ to use in the begin |
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| 06:43.51 | eldowan | itchi: ahh, I use vmware server. :D I must try qemu for a test bed. |
| 06:44.03 | stoned | qemu is a bit slower |
| 06:44.12 | dewbie | When installing flash player 9 to Damn Small Linux, it will ask for the directory for Mozilla FireFox. What is the directory? |
| 06:44.13 | stoned | and not as easy to use |
| 06:44.13 | eldowan | itchi beggs to differ. |
| 06:44.33 | itchi | stoned: No more slower, the game is over for vmware |
| 06:45.17 | itchi | I have a friend that had tell me about how slow vmware is become. That's why i have test it. I also not could believe my friend when i told me it. |
| 06:45.31 | itchi | he* |
| 06:45.47 | itchi | stoned: (qemu+kqemu) |
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| 06:46.08 | eldowan | kqemu? itchi, thank you for giving me another program to test out. :D |
| 06:46.35 | itchi | eldowan: You need kqemu if you want to use qemu, It's the acceleration part. Sure without kqemu, qemu is soooo slow |
| 06:47.00 | itchi | With kqemu, qemu kill vmware at least 4 times |
| 06:47.01 | eldowan | itchi: in the limited test I did with qemu some time ago, it was very quick and responsive. |
| 06:47.28 | itchi | eldowan: Also look for that qemu-lancher, if you want a GUI tool to start qemu |
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| 06:47.45 | eldowan | itchi: OK, sounds good. |
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| 06:47.52 | itchi | eldowan: It is :-) |
| 06:48.00 | itchi | eldowan: Wait |
| 06:48.33 | itchi | eldowan: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/qemu-launcher1.jpg up to qemu-launcher5.jpg |
| 06:49.06 | eldowan | stoned: when I eventually get everything setup correctly, I will try mapping my ~/.kde to my workstation, my home pc serving it. :D that will be nice. |
| 06:49.31 | eldowan | itchi: looks nice. |
| 06:49.39 | itchi | Now the question is: How do i remove that crap of vmware? :-p |
| 06:50.23 | itchi | eldowan: I have a little draft artikle about qemu, if your interesting http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=95 |
| 06:50.33 | eldowan | itchi: vmware-uninstall.pl as root. :D |
| 06:51.03 | itchi | eldowan: Thanks ;-) |
| 06:51.44 | eldowan | itchi: May I suggest that you don't force absolute widths on the article? I have to scroll each line left and right to read it. Just a suggestion :D |
| 06:52.01 | itchi | eldowan: How so? |
| 06:52.13 | itchi | eldowan: The <pre> tag, i guess |
| 06:52.30 | itchi | eldowan: Yup, i need to work on my guicms, but that sucks to, made in PHP :-) |
| 06:52.30 | eldowan | itchi: try css, or a table. |
| 06:52.49 | eldowan | itchi: you rolled it yourself? nice. |
| 06:52.52 | itchi | eldowan: No, gona convert my PHP crap to somethings others, python maybe |
| 06:53.28 | itchi | eldowan: Wait, gona quick fix it |
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| 06:53.52 | eldowan | itchi: just wrap the article in a <div> and set the width accordingly. :D |
| 06:54.24 | itchi | eldowan: Good so? |
| 06:54.39 | itchi | It's now 100% and no more 790 px |
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| 06:55.16 | eldowan | still the same :/ |
| 06:55.26 | itchi | eldowan: Your ff cache |
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| 06:55.48 | itchi | eldowan: ctrl+shift+r i think |
| 06:56.15 | eldowan | itchi: no firefox. konqueror. |
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| 06:56.39 | itchi | eldowan: Dunno then, maybe, have patience, the time i migrate my crap to Python or whatever ;-) |
| 06:56.42 | eldowan | itchi: just check in opera. Looks good. :D |
| 06:57.03 | itchi | eldowan: ff 1 and ff 2 do it right here :-s |
| 06:57.18 | itchi | eldowan: Maybe some holes im my code, that not wonder me |
| 06:57.59 | eldowan | itchi: it is fixed, and changes width nicely. Looks to be a good draft article. nice work :D |
| 06:58.20 | itchi | eldowan: Thanks ;-) |
| 06:58.54 | clever | im going insane |
| 06:59.06 | eldowan | well thats not too clever! |
| 06:59.09 | clever | im thinking of using pivot_root to swap over to a fresh ubuntu install |
| 06:59.14 | clever | without rebooting |
| 06:59.25 | itchi | I have put some google ads on it, im so sorry, need to buy another comp. Sever is a 233MHz :-) |
| 06:59.29 | clever | oops i said the u word:P |
| 06:59.32 | eldowan | goign insane for installing ubuntu? |
| 06:59.39 | clever | i have 2 installs of it |
| 06:59.50 | Guerin | clever: you have my condolences. |
| 06:59.51 | clever | would any distro handle my using pivot_root to swap the drives out? |
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| 07:00.26 | eldowan | insane indeed. :D |
| 07:00.32 | rmrfchik | hmmm |
| 07:00.33 | rmrfchik | $ designer-qt4 |
| 07:00.34 | rmrfchik | designer-qt4: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. |
| 07:00.34 | rmrfchik | zsh: abort designer-qt4 |
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| 07:00.37 | clever | and yet i still want to try it |
| 07:00.46 | eldowan | good luck. |
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| 07:00.47 | itchi | bye rmrfchik |
| 07:00.54 | itchi | rmrfchik: No paste here ;-Ã ) |
| 07:00.58 | rmrfchik | i see |
| 07:01.01 | rmrfchik | ;) |
| 07:01.14 | itchi | rmrfchik: Use a paster, see /msg dpkg paste or pastebin |
| 07:01.18 | rmrfchik | designer-qt4 won't start... |
| 07:02.02 | itchi | Wait, i can continue with vmware, ppff slow thing |
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| 07:05.01 | itchi | Guys, those who use vmware, try qemu ;-) |
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| 07:05.30 | itchi | Gona have a heart attack with vmware |
| 07:05.52 | rmrfchik | ? |
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| 07:06.09 | itchi | rmrfchik: So slow, vmware |
| 07:06.13 | rmrfchik | ahh... |
| 07:06.34 | itchi | That's time wasting that vmware! :-) |
| 07:06.35 | rmrfchik | i have a problem with /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 and /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: |
| 07:06.44 | rmrfchik | ;) |
| 07:06.56 | rmrfchik | with it we have a pocket windows xp ;) |
| 07:07.01 | itchi | rmrfchik: Try qemu, no more troubles ;-) |
| 07:07.10 | rmrfchik | more slow? |
| 07:07.17 | itchi | rmrfchik: Yeah, vmware! |
| 07:07.26 | itchi | rmrfchik: vmware is become so slow |
| 07:08.14 | rmrfchik | qemu faster than vmware? |
| 07:08.25 | Guerin | rmrfchik: hell no. |
| 07:08.30 | itchi | rmrfchik: Yeah, believe it or not! |
| 07:08.42 | clever | lol |
| 07:08.50 | clever | chrooted into my fresh install |
| 07:08.58 | clever | now i have a terminal window |
| 07:09.02 | itchi | clever: Pay attention for the lol design :-) |
| 07:09.06 | clever | running the new install off the usb drive |
| 07:09.19 | clever | without shuting the old install off |
| 07:09.27 | itchi | hhhmm perterS is not only, good guy to draw the lol |
| 07:09.30 | rmrfchik | Guerin, itchi: whats the right answer? Who the winner? qemu, vmware? |
| 07:09.33 | itchi | online* |
| 07:09.41 | clever | and if i carefully play with the X auth files i can get that to go thru the chroot i think |
| 07:09.48 | Guerin | rmrfchik: the winner is qemu because it's not proprietary. |
| 07:09.54 | rmrfchik | and by speed? |
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| 07:10.00 | Guerin | but xen is better than either |
| 07:10.06 | itchi | Guerin: And it goes faster too :-) |
| 07:10.07 | Guerin | rmrfchik: speed is irrelevant |
| 07:10.23 | clever | resistance is futile |
| 07:10.25 | Guerin | rmrfchik: if you want speed, don't use ANY emulation |
| 07:10.42 | itchi | Ba, depend, i also not realy care about speed, but when it's so slow, yeah, then i care :-) |
| 07:10.53 | clever | i have a terminal window which appears to be my new install right down to the root |
| 07:10.53 | rmrfchik | i want to have pocket windows xp for vpn. (f*cking nortel contivity) |
| 07:10.56 | clever | but it isnt emulated any |
| 07:11.03 | Guerin | rmrfchik: you lose. |
| 07:11.12 | rmrfchik | vmware works fine |
| 07:11.33 | itchi | s/works/worked/ ! |
| 07:11.35 | concept10 | development libraries (libfooblah-dev) are only used during compilation (or dev) right?? May I safely remove these packages? |
| 07:11.42 | clever | and with the aid of exec the root shell behind it is protected:D |
| 07:12.02 | rmrfchik | if you see someone from nortel, tell me. muahahaha |
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| 07:14.01 | mhall | Debian SPARC: a bloviated excresence of aggregated masses of bullshits, duct tape, bailing water, prayer, and untested assumptions, with a little proprietariality stirred in for good measure |
| 07:14.20 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to kill a process that will not die with kill -9 or killall -9? |
| 07:14.23 | clever | lol |
| 07:14.23 | concept10 | Gosh, XFCE has a nice graphical installer for traditional tarball installs. This this checks all dependencies, tells you which are missing and configure/make/make install all tarballs inside! |
| 07:14.38 | itchi | mhall: Hmm, also mad of proprietairy crap?? :-) |
| 07:14.38 | clever | Gokee2: its probly a zombie process |
| 07:14.47 | clever | which has to be cleaned up by its parrent |
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| 07:15.00 | clever | if the parrent dies then init inherits the zombie and cleans it up |
| 07:15.11 | Gokee2 | clever, How do I make its parent clean it? |
| 07:15.12 | clever | kill the mother PID:P |
| 07:15.18 | Gokee2 | Or kill its parent? |
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| 07:15.27 | Gokee2 | Or know its parent? |
| 07:15.34 | clever | is the parrent was writen properly it should clean up on its own |
| 07:15.48 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: be aware, process can be in state IO |
| 07:15.49 | clever | one of the options in top and ps will show the ppid(parrent pid) |
| 07:15.57 | clever | that may also do it |
| 07:16.17 | clever | if its locked on bad sectors or slow net based fs it may be waiting for that before triggering the signal |
| 07:16.35 | Gokee2 | ah |
| 07:16.35 | clever | the line for it in ps aux shows alot |
| 07:17.04 | Gokee2 | So if xmms is waiting for a cdrom drive after I have told it to open does it freeze? |
| 07:17.13 | clever | clever 6620 0.3 6.2 57728 15884 ? D Jan25 0:37 yarssr |
| 07:17.25 | clever | the D in the status means it was waiting for IO of some kind |
| 07:17.31 | clever | ps aux|grep xmms |
| 07:17.36 | clever | will show the status for xmms |
| 07:18.11 | Gokee2 | xmms just helped itself to die |
| 07:18.15 | Gokee2 | :) |
| 07:18.16 | clever | lol |
| 07:18.19 | Gokee2 | And my drive opened |
| 07:18.22 | clever | lol |
| 07:18.27 | wazzles | i have a friend who did "apt-get install x-window-system" and he made the wrong choice...is there a way to go back through those setup screens? |
| 07:18.34 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: amarok rocks! |
| 07:18.45 | Gokee2 | amarok? |
| 07:18.46 | rmrfchik | wazzles: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:18.56 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: amarok.kde.org |
| 07:19.18 | itchi | wazzles: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xfree |
| 07:19.49 | wazzles | uh he only apt-getted "x-window-system" do you also need to do xserer-xorg or xfree? |
| 07:20.06 | Gokee2 | Ah, I love xmms too much to stop using it |
| 07:20.18 | clever | i perfer mplayer |
| 07:20.38 | Gokee2 | clever, For music? |
| 07:20.39 | clever | i can even start and control it from within a screen session which can hop between ssh and putty and xterm sessions |
| 07:20.44 | clever | music and videos |
| 07:21.06 | clever | and with an extra option at configure time i enabled joystick support |
| 07:21.11 | clever | which lets me use a usb gamepad as a controler |
| 07:21.23 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 07:21.26 | Gokee2 | Awsome |
| 07:21.30 | clever | also |
| 07:21.34 | Gokee2 | I love mplayer for videos |
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| 07:21.41 | clever | i added a second sound card to my linux with a tvout |
| 07:21.47 | clever | then i added a profile to mplayer conf |
| 07:21.49 | Gokee2 | Although I use xine a lot too and gmplayer |
| 07:21.51 | clever | so if i do -profile tvmode |
| 07:21.59 | clever | it uses the secondary sound card |
| 07:22.06 | clever | the tvout |
| 07:22.06 | Gokee2 | Can you do it while playing? |
| 07:22.08 | clever | and fullscreens itself |
| 07:22.09 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: once you try amarok, you'll drop all other players |
| 07:22.18 | rmrfchik | amarok just the madly good |
| 07:22.22 | wazzles | that is a bold statement |
| 07:22.23 | clever | and the 2nd sound card is wired to the tv |
| 07:22.25 | Gokee2 | rmrfchik... I will apt-get it.... |
| 07:23.20 | wazzles | does amarok do flac and shn files....? |
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| 07:23.20 | wazzles | xmms is hella reliable for lossless audio formats.... |
| 07:23.20 | clever | sudo: must be setuid root |
| 07:23.20 | clever | maybe i cant:P |
| 07:23.28 | itchi | veggieVamp: Hello, just as extra information, us have #debian-nl too ;-) |
| 07:23.30 | clever | something messed up with the way i did the chroot i think |
| 07:23.42 | rmrfchik | wazzles: it uses xine||arts for playing |
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| 07:23.55 | rmrfchik | latest packaged version supports only xine |
| 07:24.05 | rmrfchik | so, what xine can play, amarok can |
| 07:24.11 | wazzles | oh ok |
| 07:24.13 | clever | ahhh |
| 07:24.15 | clever | /dev/sda1 / ext2 rw,nosuid,nodev,nogrpid 0 0 |
| 07:24.19 | clever | nosuid:D |
| 07:24.29 | clever | that explains it:) |
| 07:24.40 | Gokee2 | rmrfchik, arts? :( I like alsa |
| 07:24.56 | Kitu | bonjour |
| 07:24.56 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: arts rely on alsa, you know |
| 07:25.06 | clever | im using alsa in my dual audio card system |
| 07:25.14 | itchi | Kitu: Salut, mais nous parlons English ici :-) |
| 07:25.18 | clever | and its 'easy' for mplayer to be set to use a certain card |
| 07:25.27 | Kitu | -_- |
| 07:25.29 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: amarok -> xine -> alsa|oss|name it |
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| 07:27.22 | Kitu | * Lost connection to nexusland.ikati.org[62.193.249.36]: SSL_connect(): Internal OpenSSL error or protocol error |
| 07:27.32 | Gokee2 | rmrfchik, If amaroke is xine why would it be any better? |
| 07:27.40 | Kitu | what can i do ? |
| 07:27.52 | gerryk | 'history -c' had no effect when run fr a script. any reason why? |
| 07:27.57 | itchi | Gokee2: vlc?? :-) |
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| 07:28.21 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: for its interface |
| 07:28.35 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: collections+context |
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| 07:28.42 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: because it clears the history in the shell that it's running in, not the parent shell. |
| 07:28.48 | clever | lol i fixed sudo within chroot |
| 07:28.51 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: amarok download album covers, lyrics, wikipedia info |
| 07:28.52 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: you have to source the script if you want it to affect the current shell. |
| 07:28.52 | clever | installing amarok |
| 07:29.13 | automan | amarok owns |
| 07:29.14 | Gokee2 | rmrfchik, Looks gunky... :/ I will try a cd with it |
| 07:29.15 | rmrfchik | Gokee2: it's very... handy, just do what you mean |
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| 07:29.27 | clever | rmrfchik: is amarok console or X based? |
| 07:29.29 | automan | amarok 1.4.4 interfaces with magnatunes |
| 07:29.33 | gerryk | dondelelcaro: 'source the script', how? |
| 07:29.34 | rmrfchik | clever: x based. kde |
| 07:29.42 | clever | ahh im in gnome |
| 07:29.44 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: with . or source. man bash; |
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| 07:30.14 | rmrfchik | i don't know a person who switch back from amarok ;) every loves the luc^W amarok |
| 07:30.20 | rmrfchik | ;) |
| 07:30.33 | markybob | rmrfchik, i keep going back and forth. cant make up my mind |
| 07:30.41 | markybob | rmrfchik, banshee and amarok |
| 07:30.48 | clever | its installing |
| 07:30.59 | gerryk | dondelelcaro: i ran the script fr a shell with './scriptname' and the history of the shell was not cleared. |
| 07:31.06 | clever | i know i'll have a ton of problems getting it going since the Xauth files arent right atm |
| 07:31.44 | rmrfchik | okay-dokay... coffee time |
| 07:31.44 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: . not ./ |
| 07:31.59 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: they're totally different. man bash; and read about source already. |
| 07:31.59 | automan | heh, i even have the amarok logo as my wallpaper: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=369615403&size=o |
| 07:32.16 | dondelelcaro | gerryk: ./ isn't even a command anyway. . is. |
| 07:32.34 | clever | ./ is a way of running an executable in the current folder |
| 07:32.39 | clever | bash will fork and exec it |
| 07:32.43 | gerryk | dondelelcaro: i know that. it means the current dir. |
| 07:32.48 | clever | with . thenpath it will source it |
| 07:32.52 | clever | needing it to be a bash script |
| 07:33.11 | clever | . scriptname |
| 07:33.15 | clever | i think will do it |
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| 07:33.27 | dondelelcaro | yes; as will source scriptname; |
| 07:33.37 | clever | and . ./scriptname |
| 07:33.42 | clever | and source ./scriptname |
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| 07:34.06 | clever | ad we could go on for days with diff paths that all wind up the same way |
| 07:34.30 | gerryk | thks, it workd. geez, the importance of a '.' and its placing. need to read up on bash. |
| 07:34.31 | vipersniper | to run setup again after install i just type base-config? |
| 07:34.48 | clever | and searching for a . in man is hard |
| 07:34.48 | vipersniper | or is it something else |
| 07:34.49 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: base-config no longer exists. dpkg-reconfigure the package you want to configure. |
| 07:34.54 | clever | . is taken as part of a regex |
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| 07:35.00 | clever | and . in regex is a wildcard |
| 07:35.02 | dondelelcaro | clever: it's actually fairly easy. /\.\s |
| 07:35.14 | clever | yeah once you know the fact youneed to escape it:P |
| 07:35.25 | clever | and i wouldnt have thought of the \s |
| 07:35.25 | Gokee2 | rmrfchik, How do I play a cd...... |
| 07:35.34 | clever | i would have done /\.<enter> |
| 07:35.38 | vipersniper | dode if i want to detect my network card again dpkg-reconfigure // |
| 07:35.39 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, \s\.\s) |
| 07:35.48 | clever | lol |
| 07:35.52 | Gokee2 | Ah its in the "Engage" :) |
| 07:35.52 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: you don't need it to do that. udev figures that out automatically. |
| 07:35.54 | clever | \s is what again?:P |
| 07:35.58 | dondelelcaro | clever: whitespace |
| 07:36.06 | clever | ahh:) |
| 07:36.13 | clever | i would have just put an actual space there:P |
| 07:36.23 | clever | / \. <enter> |
| 07:36.38 | dondelelcaro | that may work; it depends on how the manpage is formatted |
| 07:36.45 | clever | yeah |
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| 07:37.15 | gerryk | bye. |
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| 07:38.30 | clever | amarok finished installing finaly:) |
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| 07:38.41 | clever | how to i transfer Xauth keys from 1 file to another? |
| 07:38.50 | clever | other then just copying the whole file over |
| 07:39.33 | pstickne | clever, xauth can't export/import? |
| 07:40.22 | pstickne | extract/merge look like candidates looking at the man page |
| 07:40.34 | clever | yeah i was just scaning over it while waiting for an answer |
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| 07:42.11 | clever | 1 entries written to "/media/usbdisk/tmp/authfile" |
| 07:42.17 | clever | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.29 | clever | it wrote 1 entry but its 0 bytes large:S |
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| 07:42.47 | clever | wait i had to exit the first xauth first:P |
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| 07:43.12 | Kitu | pleaaaaaaase |
| 07:43.16 | Kitu | help!© |
| 07:43.35 | Guerin | Kitu: if you're trying to copyright help, you're beyond it |
| 07:43.55 | Kitu | ah je suis beyond |
| 07:44.20 | clever | when DISPLAY is set to :0.0 what method is used to access the server? |
| 07:44.21 | Gokee2 | Grrrr it froze again |
| 07:44.30 | Gokee2 | this time amaroke |
| 07:44.35 | clever | unix socket on the filesystem? |
| 07:44.42 | Gokee2 | 13495 ? D 0:05 amarokapp |
| 07:44.50 | clever | frozen in IO |
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| 07:45.09 | clever | it may come out in a min |
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| 07:45.27 | itchi | Kitu: Tu souhaite peut-etre de l'aide sure #debian-fr ?? |
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| 07:45.54 | Kitu | why SSL link between 2 unreal ircd servers 3.2.6 sux |
| 07:45.55 | Kitu | ? |
| 07:45.57 | Kitu | :( |
| 07:46.02 | Kitu | with SSL |
| 07:46.18 | Kitu | itchi# aucun français ne parle |
| 07:47.23 | itchi | Kitu: Tu a vue l'heure? ;-) Tous le monde ronfle encore :-) |
| 07:47.37 | Kitu | oui mais bon |
| 07:47.40 | EdwardElric | mmm, i link ssl unrealircd servers all the time... |
| 07:47.46 | EdwardElric | it doesnt suck at all |
| 07:47.58 | Kitu | with 3.2.6 version ? |
| 07:48.01 | EdwardElric | yes |
| 07:48.09 | Kitu | look that |
| 07:48.21 | EdwardElric | what sucks about it? |
| 07:48.37 | Kitu | [08h43m35s] * Lost connection to nexusland.ikati.org[62.193.249.36]: SSL_connect(): Internal OpenSSL error or protocol error |
| 07:48.58 | Kitu | euh fedora 4 :( |
| 07:49.06 | Kitu | not debian sorry |
| 07:49.09 | EdwardElric | that sort of thing is usually caused by network problems |
| 07:49.18 | EdwardElric | not the fault on the IRCd itself |
| 07:49.21 | Kitu | yes |
| 07:49.40 | Kitu | it's probably my fault yes |
| 07:49.53 | EdwardElric | not yours, but the network most likely |
| 07:50.01 | EdwardElric | the network the server runs on |
| 07:50.15 | EdwardElric | the physical network |
| 07:50.16 | Kitu | :s |
| 07:50.20 | EdwardElric | not your IRC Network |
| 07:50.23 | EdwardElric | ;) |
| 07:50.24 | Bogus8 | reading the man file I can't tell what is the right switch to preserve ownership and such when tar.gz'ing a directory |
| 07:50.24 | Kitu | delicated server amen |
| 07:50.29 | Kitu | plesk system |
| 07:50.44 | Kitu | fedora de mes couilles |
| 07:50.47 | clever | kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
| 07:50.55 | itchi | Kitu: C'est toi qui la dis :-) |
| 07:50.55 | EdwardElric | dont use fedora ;) |
| 07:50.55 | clever | wait nvm it went background |
| 07:50.59 | EdwardElric | hehe |
| 07:51.12 | Kitu | yes but the owner like "plesk" |
| 07:51.24 | EdwardElric | plesk has to run on fedora? |
| 07:51.27 | Kitu | to administrate .. |
| 07:51.32 | Kitu | your server |
| 07:51.40 | Kitu | yes EdwardElric |
| 07:52.01 | Kitu | the owner understand nothing :( |
| 07:52.51 | clever | lol |
| 07:53.02 | Kitu | but it's possible tchat my conf sux Edward_TLS |
| 07:53.06 | clever | i didnt expect running X apps under a chroot to be so easy |
| 07:53.07 | Kitu | EdwardElric* |
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| 07:53.21 | EdwardElric | plesk runs on Debian |
| 07:53.28 | EdwardElric | i just checked their site |
| 07:53.31 | EdwardElric | http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/plesk/reqs/ |
| 07:53.31 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:53.45 | Kitu | because ... i haven't do link for longtime |
| 07:53.47 | Kitu | :s |
| 07:53.54 | Kitu | sorry for my english |
| 07:54.48 | EdwardElric | you cant get the servers to link with SSL at all? |
| 07:55.04 | EdwardElric | or do they disconnect after a while? |
| 07:55.05 | Kitu | yes |
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| 07:55.06 | clever | rmrfchik: amarok isnt playing the avi file i chose |
| 07:55.08 | EdwardElric | ah |
| 07:55.11 | Kitu | euh |
| 07:55.16 | Kitu | i can't connect |
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| 07:55.28 | Kitu | /connect don't function |
| 07:55.36 | Kitu | never |
| 07:55.38 | Kitu | :p |
| 07:55.55 | EdwardElric | if you want, i can look at your configs real quick |
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| 07:56.03 | EdwardElric | or |
| 07:56.19 | EdwardElric | you can PM the parts that are important |
| 07:56.21 | Kitu | yes i'm going to paste |
| 07:56.31 | Kitu | pastebin |
| 07:56.34 | EdwardElric | hmm |
| 07:56.42 | EdwardElric | wouldnt put any passes there |
| 07:56.56 | Kitu | yes .. |
| 07:57.32 | EdwardElric | i need to see the link blocks and listen blocks of each, and do them each in a separate paste |
| 07:58.05 | EdwardElric | include the name of each server too in the pastes |
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| 08:00.38 | mhall | itchi: oh ya man |
| 08:00.45 | mhall | itchi: *very* grumpy |
| 08:00.54 | itchi | mhall: That vmware crap? |
| 08:00.56 | mhall | itchi: i got bamboozled into programmin' for windows n' shit |
| 08:01.15 | Kitu | EdwardElric# the first server "empty" without services |
| 08:01.16 | mhall | itchi: it kept me at work *late* this week |
| 08:01.26 | Kitu | http://rafb.net/p/8nk54C69.html |
| 08:01.31 | rmrfchik | clever: amarok is music player, not video |
| 08:01.33 | mhall | itchi: 8 pm mon. 3 am tues. 5 am wed. 8 pm. thur |
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| 08:01.38 | Kitu | 3 secondes |
| 08:01.45 | rmrfchik | clever: use xine, mplayer, kplayer |
| 08:01.49 | clever | ahhhhhh that explains it:P |
| 08:01.51 | EdwardElric | doesnt matter...ill need to see the configs of both |
| 08:02.00 | clever | and i allready gave up on amarok and went back to mplayer |
| 08:02.02 | itchi | mhall: About what talk you? :-) |
| 08:02.02 | EdwardElric | or i wont be able to tell the problem |
| 08:02.12 | mhall | itchi: the forbidden subject |
| 08:02.20 | clever | but amarok did get me to find the problems wiht my chroot:D |
| 08:02.25 | itchi | mhall: he, eeuhm, about what? |
| 08:02.26 | mhall | itchi: haha hear no evil see no evil speak no evil lolz |
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| 08:02.28 | Bogus8 | reading the man file I can't tell what is the right switch to preserve ownership and such when tar.gz'ing a directory |
| 08:02.42 | mhall | Bogus8: p |
| 08:02.44 | itchi | mhall: You know, i'm so dumb :-) |
| 08:02.45 | clever | first there was nosuid and nodev then a missing hosts line then i had to mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix/ over |
| 08:02.45 | mhall | Bogus8: p |
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| 08:03.18 | Kitu | EdwardElric# both ? |
| 08:03.21 | Bogus8 | mhall: thanks |
| 08:03.21 | mhall | Bogus8: --same-owner |
| 08:03.21 | EdwardElric | yes |
| 08:03.22 | Bogus8 | mhall: thanks |
| 08:03.26 | Kitu | the other server ? |
| 08:03.28 | EdwardElric | yes |
| 08:03.31 | Kitu | ok |
| 08:03.37 | mhall | Bogus8: learn to use the '/' command in more and less |
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| 08:03.48 | Bogus8 | mhall: yeah, p is supposedly default for root, but it didn't happen |
| 08:03.51 | mhall | Bogus8: search for the string you want, like 'permission' 'owner' etc... |
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| 08:03.58 | mhall | Bogus8: for real? that oughta work |
| 08:04.10 | mhall | Bogus8: i never had a problem, is something funky with the archive |
| 08:04.12 | Bogus8 | whatah: why do I need to search in more or less? |
| 08:04.33 | mhall | Bogus8: also you have to watch out because sometimes the uid/gid numbers in the passwd and group files aren't the same |
| 08:04.37 | Bogus8 | mhall: I'm creating it in a root mounted directory |
| 08:04.47 | mhall | Bogus8: which i think can sometimes negatively impact your extraction |
| 08:05.16 | mhall | Bogus8: hmm might not be good enough, you have to be root when you run it or else the system calls tar would use to set the permissions and modes will fail and do nothing in certain cases |
| 08:05.25 | Bogus8 | I was root |
| 08:05.36 | mhall | Bogus8: hmm that's hella foobarred thewn |
| 08:05.39 | mhall | Bogus8: then* |
| 08:05.46 | Bogus8 | mhall: I was just giving the details as to try to figure out what might be different |
| 08:05.51 | mhall | Bogus8: not sure what to say to that other than that it's worked for me in the past |
| 08:06.20 | mhall | Bogus8: makes me wonder if there is some way to figure out where it all is going wrong |
| 08:06.22 | Bogus8 | mhall: basically it was an old / mounted in a temp dir in root |
| 08:06.39 | mhall | however sadly most unix tools do not provide a whole lot of debug output even with the verbose options |
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| 08:06.54 | Kitu | EdwardElric# http://rafb.net/p/Sth8z760.html |
| 08:06.54 | mhall | i'm happy to say i create LOTS of debug output when you run my software in debug mode |
| 08:07.06 | clever | strace helps to get LOTS of debug into:P |
| 08:07.09 | mhall | and i always provide debug mode as a CLI option so it's easy to activate / deactivate |
| 08:07.24 | clever | i wasnt able to get X clients working under my chroot but an strace revealed the location of the X server sockets |
| 08:07.32 | clever | and a mount --bind fixed it up |
| 08:07.39 | mhall | clever: yeah but it's not context specific ergo it's quite hard to decipher if you don't understand all of the syscalls and what they do and how they operate eh |
| 08:07.45 | Kitu | EdwardElric# 6665 it's stupid but i have tested any ports :( |
| 08:07.49 | Kitu | 7900 |
| 08:07.53 | Kitu | 7901 |
| 08:07.54 | Kitu | ... |
| 08:07.57 | clever | mhall: i read syscall man pages when im bored |
| 08:08.08 | Kitu | others ports* |
| 08:08.13 | mhall | clever: so do i but even i have a hard time dealing with strace |
| 08:08.16 | clever | you could just say its giving too much debuging info |
| 08:08.22 | EdwardElric | one sec |
| 08:08.23 | mhall | clever: i really love programming POSIX though |
| 08:08.28 | clever | :) |
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| 08:08.37 | mhall | clever: trouble is some of the stuff in strace is at the wrong layer of abstraction |
| 08:08.38 | clever | i just know that when i straced xlsclients |
| 08:08.45 | clever | it tryed several times to connect to a unix socket |
| 08:08.56 | clever | then gave up and tryed the tcp port on loopback |
| 08:09.02 | mhall | clever: frequently what you really want is something speaking the language of your program and strace often fails in this regard unfortunately |
| 08:09.10 | Kitu | class servers or class default change nothing |
| 08:09.16 | clever | yeah |
| 08:09.25 | clever | it was a binary elf file |
| 08:09.35 | clever | just being used to test the X server connection |
| 08:09.47 | mhall | clever: this is why i am religious about providing my own debug output and also about naming my symbols religiously clearly so that it's relatively easy to figure out what it is that i am doing in any particular area |
| 08:10.06 | clever | lol |
| 08:10.10 | EdwardElric | Kitu what is the command your using with /connect ? |
| 08:10.11 | clever | the last c++ prog i made was an irc bot |
| 08:10.20 | clever | which is a horible mess of n00b style coding |
| 08:10.34 | Kitu | EdwardElric# /connect exusland.ikati.org |
| 08:10.38 | EdwardElric | ok |
| 08:10.41 | Kitu | /connect nexusland.ikati.org |
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| 08:10.49 | clever | lol:D |
| 08:10.51 | Kitu | or /connect irc.ikati.org |
| 08:11.12 | Kitu | depend of server ... |
| 08:11.16 | mhall | clever: i was gonna say C++ is not the best choice for network programming if you can avoid it but i have used it in the past few weeks to make a DNS server |
| 08:11.21 | Bogus8 | why would .nano_history end up owned by root? |
| 08:11.35 | Bogus8 | this is unrelated to my other issue :) |
| 08:11.37 | clever | mhall: instead of finding the proper libs for tcp streams |
| 08:11.42 | clever | i looked up the syscalls |
| 08:11.55 | mhall | clever: i needed a very simple highly readable DNS server for testing some code we wrote at work that uses network traffic samples to detect dns tunneling |
| 08:11.56 | clever | im using socket() connect() revc and send() directly |
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| 08:12.06 | EdwardElric | ok, lets take this to PM, ok? |
| 08:12.14 | Kitu | ok |
| 08:12.18 | clever | mhall: i have a bind server running in dns cache mode |
| 08:12.26 | mhall | clever: yeah in the future consider this madcrazy cool library http://asio.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:12.29 | clever | it seems to be doing its job at caching:) |
| 08:12.42 | mhall | clever: yeah problem was i needed to send some unusual non-RFC compliant traffic |
| 08:12.42 | mackss | i am only able to download at 1mb/sec using wget. Do you think this could be a TCP window size problem on my end? |
| 08:12.50 | clever | ahh:S |
| 08:12.52 | mhall | clever: a thing which BIND is dedicated to not doing, lol |
| 08:12.56 | liable | Kitu: and whats wrong with that? i just connected fine to the server |
| 08:13.06 | clever | i dont know the dns protocol in detail |
| 08:13.09 | clever | but i know alot of other network based things |
| 08:13.13 | Kitu | liable# a link ... |
| 08:13.14 | mhall | clever: i got it working for PTR and A records, it needs a little more work for the other stuff |
| 08:13.19 | Kitu | with 2 servers |
| 08:13.22 | liable | Kitu: eh? |
| 08:13.31 | clever | mhall: i would have hard coded the records into it:P |
| 08:13.39 | mhall | clever: dns is a mighty ugly protocol, particularly the way it encodes the hostnames, i suggest avoiding it if you can |
| 08:13.45 | clever | lol |
| 08:13.58 | Kitu | liable# ? |
| 08:14.06 | clever | i would hard code the dns records into a switch case or a chain of if's |
| 08:14.09 | mhall | clever: mine is almost as bad as hardcode, for all the PTRs it returns localhost and for all the As it returns 127.0.0.1 lol |
| 08:14.14 | clever | and have a way to exec and pass the socket on to a newer version |
| 08:14.20 | Kitu | yes you can come on the server but ... |
| 08:14.30 | clever | my irc bot has a exec in it to restart itself |
| 08:14.40 | Kitu | i want to join two IRC servers |
| 08:14.42 | clever | it cant currently transfer the irc connections over the session |
| 08:14.43 | mhall | clever: the way i wrote it though i created a library that does all the important stuff so it's easy enough to modify the thing and make it do what you actually want |
| 08:15.06 | clever | when i wanted my irc bot to be able to pipe data to irc |
| 08:15.07 | mhall | clever: btw manpages-posix-dev is my favorite package in debian ;-) |
| 08:15.12 | clever | i opened up irssi source and check /exec |
| 08:15.13 | liable | Kitu: so, whats the problem? |
| 08:15.24 | clever | which led me towards the fork and exec i was guesing at |
| 08:15.26 | clever | and dup2 |
| 08:15.37 | clever | which lets me renumber a pipe to become stdin/out/err |
| 08:15.51 | mhall | clever: ya that's why i love open-source too, i can always figure out how shit works and how it is done at the level appropriate to my problem |
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| 08:16.13 | clever | i then made my own function for reading 1 line at a time from the pipe |
| 08:16.14 | liable | Kitu: if you are getting booted from the first when you connect, do /connect +irc.foo.org |
| 08:16.17 | mhall | clever: i HATE it when i hit some closed-source library etc. and i don't have anything besides assembly and hex function addresses... useless! |
| 08:16.18 | clever | which had its own internal buffer |
| 08:16.23 | clever | which was FULL of bugs |
| 08:16.40 | clever | at first a return of "" meant eof |
| 08:16.48 | mhall | clever: ya my DNS server is prolly full of sploits but it works well enough for the testing i need to do to finish my project :-D |
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| 08:16.52 | clever | then what if the program its piping to irc wanted to print a blank line |
| 08:16.58 | clever | and im allready striping the \n |
| 08:17.20 | clever | so when a blank line comes along its treated as eof |
| 08:17.29 | clever | and my code still doesnt clean up its zombie children |
| 08:17.44 | mhall | clever: ya in complex string processing situations i usually end up using C++ <string> as well as istream getline http://www.cplusplus.com/istream::getline |
| 08:17.54 | clever | lol |
| 08:18.03 | mhall | clever: without those string processing in C / C++ ends up being pretty goddamn dangerous |
| 08:18.06 | clever | i made my own lib basicaly |
| 08:18.11 | mhall | clever: maybe you should play with pthread |
| 08:18.16 | liable | *groan* |
| 08:18.19 | clever | i was using pthread also at the same time |
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| 08:18.24 | mhall | clever: then you don't have to worry about all the extra processes and stuff lol |
| 08:18.25 | mhall | liable: ? |
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| 08:18.39 | clever | and on the odd time the buffer for line to line data would get shared between threads |
| 08:18.43 | clever | which caused more segfaults |
| 08:18.53 | mhall | clever: another fun thing to play with is <regex.h> |
| 08:19.00 | clever | to aid in the debuging i made my own segfault handler |
| 08:19.03 | mhall | clever: that'll keep you busy for a while :-) |
| 08:19.06 | clever | which looked up the current thread id |
| 08:19.22 | clever | then looped thru an array of classes to see what that thread was for |
| 08:19.30 | mhall | clever: ya handlers are a lot of fun but the ones in Java are a lot better than the ones in C |
| 08:19.32 | clever | then printed that out to stdout i think as it crashed |
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| 08:19.43 | mhall | clever: it sounds to me like, for a lot of your stuff, you could in fact use Java NIO |
| 08:19.46 | clever | each irc connection has its own class and thread |
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| 08:20.06 | clever | and then there was a main thread which normaly didnt exit |
| 08:20.09 | mhall | clever: i did some tests on well written Java NIO code, you can process about 600 TCP connections a second or so |
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| 08:20.19 | clever | lol |
| 08:20.29 | clever | my irc bot ran on a couple irc networks |
| 08:20.39 | clever | and it fetched all but the 1st network from mysql |
| 08:20.44 | mhall | clever: i needed the fast performance for testing our portscan detector |
| 08:20.51 | clever | the 1st network is hardcoded into it along with the mysql server/name/pw |
| 08:21.07 | clever | once its online with the 1st network |
| 08:21.14 | mhall | mmhmm mysql is a lot of fun, we use that at work for storing basically everything we need to exist beyond app restarts |
| 08:21.14 | clever | it dumps tons of debug msgs to an irc channel |
| 08:21.25 | clever | i also had a irc function to run make and exec itself |
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| 08:21.33 | mhall | clever: haha that's hilarious using an irc debug channel |
| 08:21.33 | clever | so using only a text editor and irc client |
| 08:21.37 | mhall | clever: nicely done =) |
| 08:21.40 | clever | i was able to rebuild and debug and restart it |
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| 08:21.49 | hazel| | clever, cool!i thought about doing something like that with Jabber =) |
| 08:21.56 | clever | it ircoped on connect so it wouldnt flood out |
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| 08:22.10 | clever | aslong as it didnt segfault i was able to stick to the irc client and editor |
| 08:22.24 | clever | that was back when i used the slow gnome-terminal |
| 08:22.30 | clever | xterm refreshes alot faster |
| 08:22.34 | mhall | clever: that'll teach ya to use bad pointer code ;-) |
| 08:22.36 | clever | and screen helps get more data in less windows |
| 08:23.00 | liable | guys, go to #C or something |
| 08:23.06 | clever | lol |
| 08:23.18 | mhall | aww shiyyyt |
| 08:23.32 | clever | pm me if you want to keep talking c++ anyway:P |
| 08:23.48 | mhall | lol i need to go to the bar and get fuckin drunk like a mothafuckah |
| 08:23.50 | clever | i got +6 on my user so even unregistered people can pm me |
| 08:23.53 | liable | mhall: dude, you do it every time :P |
| 08:23.57 | mhall | i'm 80% there but i gotta go a little further |
| 08:24.03 | sid | !beer mhall |
| 08:24.09 | clever | I am 19.849686 years old. (I'll be 20 in 7wks 5days 21hrs 35mins 56secs.) |
| 08:24.12 | mhall | liable: sorry man can't help it. i'm the space captain of the western US |
| 08:24.16 | liable | mhall: i dont know why you /j here, cause you always talk whatever your programming |
| 08:24.18 | mhall | clever: 23 over here man |
| 08:24.27 | mhall | liable: normally i don't come here |
| 08:24.29 | clever | min age is 19 here |
| 08:24.35 | clever | im nearly 20 no |
| 08:24.36 | clever | w |
| 08:24.45 | mhall | liable: 90% of the time i go to ##java ##c or ##c++ |
| 08:24.51 | liable | i turned really fucking old today |
| 08:25.01 | clever | i feel old |
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| 08:25.05 | mhall | liable: i mean if people ask debian questions i'm happy to answer |
| 08:25.13 | clever | i blew a knee back on jan 3rd |
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| 08:25.15 | mhall | liable: i mean i've only used the fucker since 1998 |
| 08:25.19 | automan | isaw michael jackson on the thriller tour |
| 08:25.24 | clever | been about 23 days now and its allmost fully healed i think |
| 08:25.26 | automan | i feel old |
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| 08:25.31 | tralala | < 20 and feeling old?! Is it sunday already? |
| 08:25.41 | clever | fri |
| 08:25.46 | clever | and my memory is going |
| 08:26.00 | clever | i remember there was something i should have done on fri but i forget what |
| 08:26.03 | liable | mhall: sure, i know you have been around since noah etched irc.freenode.net into a tablet, but.. |
| 08:26.11 | clever | lol |
| 08:27.52 | liable | now watch the channel sit here and idle, because i bitched about ot.. |
| 08:27.53 | clever | lol |
| 08:27.53 | sid | He hasn't been around since mhallsmite. :( |
| 08:27.53 | sid | !sunday |
| 08:27.53 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:27.59 | clever | LOL |
| 08:28.06 | clever | ive allready gone insane |
| 08:28.19 | clever | i got X11 working across a chroot in under 30mins |
| 08:28.33 | clever | and am planing to pivot_root a running system |
| 08:28.50 | sid | !ot |
| 08:28.51 | dpkg | hmm... ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 08:29.09 | clever | again |
| 08:29.19 | mhall | sid: fucking politics :-( |
| 08:29.22 | liable | i feel like such a bitch |
| 08:29.39 | liable | ot, is pretty terrible actually |
| 08:29.43 | mhall | liable: btw nice line about noah =) |
| 08:29.51 | liable | :) |
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| 08:30.02 | mhall | but now that i work for HP i barely have time to quibble over this shit |
| 08:30.06 | mhall | i work way too much |
| 08:30.13 | sid | mhall: You work with bdale? |
| 08:30.17 | clever | i dont have a job:P |
| 08:30.34 | mhall | sid: not that i know of, i think i'd remember a guy with such a crazy name ;-) |
| 08:30.40 | mhall | clever: how come |
| 08:30.48 | sid | I was going to try and e-mail bdale on behalf of libburn project and try and get some documentation for lightscribe so we can have free software that uses lightscribe. |
| 08:30.49 | clever | i got kicked out of school back in 2004 |
| 08:30.57 | clever | and have been staying at home on the pc since |
| 08:30.58 | sid | He is the CTO of linux and open source for HP or something like that |
| 08:30.59 | mhall | clever: what the hell for? |
| 08:31.05 | sid | whois bdale |
| 08:31.07 | clever | and every day im spending more and more time on the pc |
| 08:31.13 | clever | often all night |
| 08:31.18 | clever | and sleeping till 3-7pm |
| 08:31.31 | mhall | sid: ya i have files a couple linux support tickets @ HP before but the results have been disappointing |
| 08:31.59 | mhall | clever: dude go bang some girls or some shit, even *I* do that and i'm a loser lol |
| 08:32.28 | clever | also today i forgot to take a shower several times |
| 08:32.34 | clever | so i probly STINK:P |
| 08:32.41 | mhall | clever: dude seriously it's time to get off your duff and go live a little... omgwtfbbq!!!!!11111!!!!1111!!!111!!11!1 |
| 08:32.43 | liable | i dont know what to say.. honestly. |
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| 08:32.53 | mhall | liable: haha serves ya right mothafuckah |
| 08:32.57 | clever | and a week ago i got a 30$ donation to my website |
| 08:32.59 | mhall | liable: :-P |
| 08:33.06 | clever | for a tool i spent a few hours making |
| 08:33.10 | mhall | clever: what was on it which warranted the $? |
| 08:33.18 | sid | mhall: He used to be debian project leader. and is not CTO of open source for HP |
| 08:33.24 | sid | s/not/now/ |
| 08:33.28 | clever | a spam tool for mass messaging people within a game system |
| 08:33.38 | clever | used mainly for recruiting people into clans within the game |
| 08:33.38 | liable | great |
| 08:33.53 | clever | normaly its done by groups of people who sit and punch numbers in all day |
| 08:34.06 | clever | now 1 person can do it in 2 hours and get all 4000 players |
| 08:34.23 | clever | and since its all server side programing i have the power to cut off people who abuse it |
| 08:35.08 | sid | mhall: You want to join #debian-offtopic and talk about HP? |
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| 08:36.07 | mackss | i am only able to download at 1mb/sec using wget. Do you think this could be a TCP window size problem on my end? |
| 08:36.42 | sid | mackss: put the output of "ifconfig" command on http://debian.pastebin.com (type ifconfig as root) |
| 08:37.31 | tralala | only 1mb/sec?! I'm happy if I keep 70kb/sec |
| 08:37.33 | clever | sid: there should be some script to use pastebin fron cli |
| 08:37.39 | clever | so i can do sudo ifconfig | pastebin |
| 08:37.43 | clever | and get a url on stdout |
| 08:38.10 | clever | would lessen the ammount of copying and pasting and ram hogging broswers people would need |
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| 08:39.12 | clever | ive got a similar system with my laptop where i can sudo ifconfig > /var/www/paste/paste1235 |
| 08:39.13 | clever | since i have an httpd on the pc |
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| 08:40.12 | sid | mackss: also show me /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 08:41.18 | mhall | sid: i need to go the the bar and get drunk right now |
| 08:41.23 | mhall | sid: this week was too stressful |
| 08:41.53 | itchi | !beer #debian |
| 08:42.05 | mackss | sid, http://debian.pastebin.com/867719 |
| 08:43.40 | mackss | sid, also http://debian.pastebin.com/867721 |
| 08:43.45 | sid | mackss: ok, you have standard mtu(1500), if it was higher than this your routers/switches from point A to B would need to support jumbo frames. so mtu isn't an issue. |
| 08:44.47 | mackss | hrm, well is there anyway i can download faster over https using a l/p? |
| 08:45.03 | sid | mackss: Your /etc/sysctl.conf is default also so this should be no problem. |
| 08:45.16 | mackss | ah ok |
| 08:45.44 | mhall | bye all |
| 08:45.45 | mhall | g2g |
| 08:45.53 | sid | mackss: unless your /proc entry was manually edited for the current running kernel. |
| 08:46.28 | mackss | nah that wasn't edited |
| 08:46.32 | sid | mackss: But that's unlikely unless you do it yourself. Your network from Debian's perspective looks fine. |
| 08:46.50 | mackss | ok thanks |
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| 08:47.02 | mackss | do you know off hand any other solution to my problem? |
| 08:47.07 | sid | mackss: You can check /etc/wgetrc settings, but it's probably just a slow pipe on the server side. |
| 08:47.26 | mackss | sid that same server using axel over http fulls about 5mb/sec |
| 08:47.31 | mackss | *pulls |
| 08:47.33 | sid | mackss: Where are you downloading from? What are your average downlaod speeds? |
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| 08:47.48 | sid | mackss: Well it depends on where you download from. |
| 08:47.52 | mackss | tmy server is on multi 100mbit savvis lines |
| 08:47.59 | pluesch0r | morning! i'd like to introduce some basic security into my system by blocking all but some ip ports - is thre some nice netfilter config package that provides exactly what i want? i'd like to set this up on a remote server, so - naturally - i don't want to lock myself out. |
| 08:48.08 | sid | mackss: I'll download at 1.2 megs a second sometimes, and other ips will only give me .3 megs a second. |
| 08:48.13 | mackss | downloading from a similar server on ATT backbones |
| 08:48.20 | sid | !tell pluesch0r about firestarter |
| 08:48.23 | mackss | sid, these are all the same IP |
| 08:48.38 | mackss | axel is just a multithreaded downloading program |
| 08:48.40 | sid | mackss: Are you using the same protocol everytime? http? |
| 08:48.44 | mackss | no |
| 08:48.50 | pluesch0r | sid: i've already stumbled across firestarter - is that thing suitable for remote servers without X and so on? |
| 08:48.53 | sid | Well that's probably why. |
| 08:48.54 | mackss | http and https |
| 08:49.11 | sid | If you're downloading multiple threads from a server compared to a single thread(http) the speeds will probably be different. |
| 08:49.20 | sid | https also uses encryption |
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| 08:49.40 | clever | you would have to look at cpu usage on both ends when using https |
| 08:49.40 | mackss | sid right, but i can't seem to find a program that can multithread downlaods over HTTPS using a l/p |
| 08:49.43 | sid | So you're increasing the datasize |
| 08:49.44 | clever | to see if its maxing out |
| 08:49.46 | tralala | mackss, what happens if you limit the multithreaded programme to one thread? Maybe the limit is on the server side - 1mb/s per connection |
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| 08:50.15 | mackss | tralala, that was somethign i suspected |
| 08:50.27 | sid | pluesch0r: not sure, you want ncurses type stuff like irssi? I've never heard of anything. |
| 08:50.29 | mackss | one sec lemme try |
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| 08:51.19 | pluesch0r | sid: i don't need ncurses comfort. a simple ALLOW_TO_TCP="22 80 443" and ALLOW_TO_UDP="" would be sufficient for my taste. |
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| 08:56.25 | monokrome | Hey |
| 08:57.56 | mackss | tralala, i love your name btw. Is it from that euro song? anyway, it seems the server does limit per connection. LAME!!! i am going to bitch tomorrow |
| 08:58.17 | mackss | sid, tralala thank you for the help |
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| 08:58.30 | monokrome | Anyone know about a how-to for installing only XGL on a debian box, without compiz, as i'm trying to get Beryl running with my X1600 |
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| 09:02.50 | Xof | who is the Freenode-Debian contact, please? |
| 09:03.36 | itchi | Xof: Try /who *freenode/staff* |
| 09:04.04 | tralala | mackss, you're welcome |
| 09:04.22 | tralala | and no, my nick is not related to anything |
| 09:04.32 | tralala | at least not intentionally |
| 09:04.43 | pluesch0r | tralala: .. and i thought you were a musician. |
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| 09:04.47 | mackss | do you know the song i am talking about? |
| 09:04.55 | pluesch0r | finally, in the same channel as mick jagger .. |
| 09:05.02 | tralala | mackss, no |
| 09:05.29 | tralala | pluesch0r, I'm a wanna be musician - the problem is I can't play music and I can't sing either |
| 09:05.43 | pluesch0r | tralala: here's techno for you. |
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| 09:05.56 | noi_mile | hello. |
| 09:05.56 | noi_mile | I have mistakenly marked a lot of packages to add / delete / upgrade in dselect. How do I unset these marks? Or at least how do I see all packeges marked for e.g. removal grouped together? |
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| 09:06.24 | Xof | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.27 | Xof | whoops |
| 09:06.30 | mackss | tralala, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4890535583577505426&q=gunter+tralala |
| 09:06.31 | itchi | noi_mile: Why not make use of aptitude? |
| 09:06.51 | mackss | everytime i see your name i can't help but to laugh cause it remind me of the video |
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| 09:06.58 | noi_mile | itchi, aptitude is ok, but I don't know how to do it there, either. |
| 09:07.28 | Aldo | i have a prb with hal under etch. it dp not discover my ext hd. |
| 09:07.33 | Aldo | i have this: |
| 09:08.18 | clever | Aldo: i managed to install a debian based distro on my usb enclosure and hdd |
| 09:08.23 | clever | and boot it thru the usb |
| 09:08.34 | clever | and i was surprised at how well it performs |
| 09:08.34 | Aldo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.54 | Aldo | but is not mounted |
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| 09:09.22 | omry | how do I setup a syslog server? |
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| 09:10.21 | Aldo | and i have a prb with a modul but i will send to kerneldev: kernel: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. |
| 09:10.47 | Aldo | apt-cache search bcm |
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| 09:10.56 | itchi | noi_mile: Read the manual?? :-) |
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| 09:11.25 | Aldo | no idea ? |
| 09:11.43 | itchi | noi_mile: Look in the big doc /usr/share/aptitude/README |
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| 09:12.18 | noi_mile | itchi: thanks, a good idea :) I hoped that there is an option somewhere like 'show all packages marked for removal' or such, and everyone bit me knows about it. |
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| 09:13.12 | itchi | noi_mile: aptitude is realy nice, just for your own good, i let your read ;-) |
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| 09:16.12 | craigevil | anyone have any luck running Project Looking Glass? |
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| 09:17.34 | noi_mile | /p |
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| 09:35.11 | fatalbert | hey guys |
| 09:35.15 | fatalbert | i'd just like to express |
| 09:35.19 | fatalbert | how much i love debian |
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| 09:35.24 | fatalbert | it's so goddamn awesome |
| 09:35.30 | fatalbert | i don't think i could live without it |
| 09:35.32 | fatalbert | seriously |
| 09:35.36 | fatalbert | apt is the best thing ever |
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| 09:37.44 | Hyber[at]Work | does any one know if the Adaptec 1220SA is supported by a default debian install? |
| 09:37.55 | fatalbert | it is |
| 09:38.03 | itchi | fatalbert: Would you know how mush i hate MS right now? :-) |
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| 09:38.15 | fatalbert | this much? [-------------------------] |
| 09:38.18 | fatalbert | good guess right? |
| 09:38.19 | itchi | :-p |
| 09:38.21 | fatalbert | i'm pretty close |
| 09:38.22 | fatalbert | i know it |
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| 09:38.33 | Hyber[at]Work | fatalbert, Cheers :-) |
| 09:38.36 | fatalbert | np |
| 09:38.39 | fatalbert | good luck |
| 09:38.40 | amphi | itchi: what has the Beast of Redmond done to you now? |
| 09:39.15 | itchi | amphi: Many :-) |
| 09:39.16 | fatalbert | i'm working on a project to port apt to windows vista |
| 09:39.21 | fatalbert | in the monad poweshell |
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| 09:39.41 | itchi | Just the 'spirit' is already enought for me |
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| 09:40.19 | amphi | itchi: "dost see yon black dog, ranging through shoot and stubble? Methinks he coileth magic meshes, to be a sometime fetter about our feet." ;) |
| 09:40.26 | fatalbert | i had to rewrite apt using lisp once for a uni project |
| 09:40.59 | itchi | :-p |
| 09:41.53 | amphi | itchi: appropriate that there should be a reference to MS in Faust ;) |
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| 09:42.52 | paines | hi |
| 09:43.10 | itchi | paines: :-p |
| 09:43.15 | fatalbert | hiya |
| 09:44.06 | paines | i need to compile a driver for a touch screen. and I need the sources for my runnig xorg server. how would I do this the debian way. apt-src install xorg-whatever ? any idea ? |
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| 09:44.34 | fatalbert | download the sources and then make a .deb |
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| 09:49.46 | liable | paines: xorg-dev |
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| 09:50.09 | liable | paines: that will give you the headers which should be all you need |
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| 09:52.40 | liable | amphi: lay of those magiceth meshies :P |
| 09:52.44 | liable | off |
| 09:52.50 | paines | liable, I see. I thought to complex |
| 09:52.53 | paines | thanks man |
| 09:52.57 | bobibobi | Hi all. |
| 09:53.17 | bobibobi | I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 on an IBM RS/6000 |
| 09:53.31 | bobibobi | But the CD won't boot... |
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| 09:53.49 | liable | paines: xorg-dev will get you a shitload, i would just try the compile and see what it complains about, and install whatever is needed. apt-file is your friend |
| 09:53.53 | bobibobi | Why is that and can I install using floppies |
| 09:53.55 | bobibobi | ? |
| 09:54.01 | itchi | bobibobi: Ah, Get you some errors? Or go to another vt and look if he tell somethigns |
| 09:54.19 | liable | bobibobi: yes, there are floppies for 3.1 |
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| 09:54.23 | liable | !sarge floppies |
| 09:54.24 | bobibobi | No VTs at all |
| 09:54.25 | dpkg | from memory, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 09:54.26 | itchi | Missed a line |
| 09:55.08 | itchi | bobibobi: You toasted the cd on the right way? |
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| 09:55.27 | bobibobi | Yes, the CD is ok because it's readable on a PC |
| 09:55.54 | itchi | bobibobi: Define readable? You have been burn the cd as an image? Not drag and drop that iso on the cd |
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| 09:56.13 | bobibobi | Yes, the CD was burned as a image. |
| 09:56.19 | davi_ | Where are the pre and post instalation script. I have done a "dpkg -x .deb ." but I do not find any pre-post script. |
| 09:56.23 | bobibobi | I can browse the CD on a PC |
| 09:56.49 | liable | davi_: try dpkg -c |
| 09:57.15 | amphi | liable: ;) |
| 09:57.34 | itchi | bobibobi: BIOS is set to boot from cd ? |
| 09:57.54 | itchi | bobibobi: Other cd's been boot up? |
| 09:58.01 | davi_ | thanks liable |
| 09:58.13 | liable | np |
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| 09:58.56 | bobibobi | An diagnostic CD from IBM boots OK. |
| 09:59.40 | Yodaaa | bobibobi: Maybe, some sad chances and toasted a bad cd :-s |
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| 09:59.54 | itchi | Sorry ;-) |
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| 10:01.06 | liable | toasted a cd? i know what you mean, but thats one i havent heard before |
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| 10:01.55 | itchi | liable: :-p |
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| 10:02.19 | itchi | liable: That's why i quick changed my name to 'yoda' ;-) |
| 10:02.30 | itchi | (yoda is already owned) |
| 10:02.32 | liable | itchi: your grasp of the english language never ceases to amaze me :P |
| 10:02.34 | binfalse | sup? |
| 10:02.34 | abelle | yo |
| 10:02.36 | BankHead | hey |
| 10:02.48 | itchi | liable: I'm The best :-) |
| 10:02.56 | itchi | liable: ... to be are weird :-p |
| 10:03.04 | liable | indeed :) |
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| 10:05.43 | krinns | hi all |
| 10:05.51 | krinns | i have installed debian |
| 10:05.53 | itchi | krinns: :-p |
| 10:06.02 | amphi | !win krinns |
| 10:06.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, krinns! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 10:06.07 | krinns | i need to have vlan enabled on my eth0 |
| 10:06.19 | krinns | i have 2 networks 192.168.1.0 192.168.2.0 |
| 10:06.33 | krinns | i have vlan enabled switch |
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| 10:12.53 | krinns | i make eth0 192.168.1.250 |
| 10:13.02 | krinns | then i add vconfig eth0 2 |
| 10:13.13 | krinns | ifconfig eth0.2 192.168.2.250 |
| 10:13.23 | krinns | butall good |
| 10:13.30 | krinns | but some is reaaly wrong |
| 10:13.37 | krinns | when i renoot shorewall |
| 10:13.57 | krinns | some times i from 2 network i cant ping 1 network |
| 10:14.11 | itchi | I'm not alone! :-p |
| 10:14.14 | krinns | then i need to resatrt interfaces |
| 10:14.21 | krinns | then it works fine |
| 10:14.24 | krinns | any ida |
| 10:14.27 | krinns | idea what this |
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| 10:16.26 | gnondpom | Pour télécharger FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/ |
| 10:16.26 | gnondpom | For Download FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/ |
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| 10:16.47 | itchi | gnondpom: Maman t'appele |
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| 10:17.22 | itchi | !ops gnondpom spams some stuff |
| 10:17.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: gnondpom spams some stuff |
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| 10:17.48 | itchi | At least, make noise of *good* things |
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| 10:18.15 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 10:18.48 | ArmEagle | hmm 'apt-get upgrade' will update all packages that have new versions. But is there any way i could upgrade in small batches (only 'install' accepts packagenames, 'upgrade' doesnt. Sure I could mount /var/cache/apt to a bigger partition.. |
| 10:18.59 | DustyDingo | how can i tell firefox, that it shouldn't restore sessions, after it was killed? |
| 10:19.14 | ArmEagle | DustyDingo FF2.0 i assume? lets see |
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| 10:19.20 | DustyDingo | ArmEagle: yes |
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| 10:19.34 | itchi | ArmEagle: Have you a usb key or whatever you could mount temporally? |
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| 10:20.16 | ArmEagle | itchi i do have 2 other partitions. its just that well.. it would be nice if i didnt have to do that :P |
| 10:20.35 | itchi | ArmEagle: Avoid to get it full :-) |
| 10:20.44 | DustyDingo | i can't figure the option out, that would do it |
| 10:20.56 | ArmEagle | DustyDingo menubar->'Edit'->'Preferences'->(tab)'Main'->(pane)'Startup'->then the dropdown :P |
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| 10:21.24 | ArmEagle | itchi well its just a very small disk. the reason i installed debian.. :) |
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| 10:22.00 | DustyDingo | ArmEagle: ... |
| 10:22.18 | ArmEagle | DustyDingo yeah, its too easy to look over. I think i couldnt find it first either |
| 10:22.34 | DustyDingo | ArmEagle: ehm, and what to do there= |
| 10:22.39 | DustyDingo | ? |
| 10:22.52 | ArmEagle | oh well the dropdown had some options (behind 'WhenFirefox starts') |
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| 10:23.13 | ArmEagle | blank, homepage, or load from last time. |
| 10:23.33 | DustyDingo | show_my_homepage -> foobar.org ... |
| 10:24.18 | DustyDingo | ArmEagle: firefox doesn't restore the last session at startup,... it only does when It Is Killed |
| 10:24.58 | ArmEagle | yes.. so euh.. wasnt that what you asked for? no tabload after it being killed |
| 10:25.19 | DustyDingo | yes, i asked for it |
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| 10:25.51 | DustyDingo | and it does and year i have this option set to load a custom page at startzp and don't restore a session |
| 10:26.03 | DustyDingo | privacy.item.session is also flase |
| 10:26.10 | ArmEagle | any chance you have tabmixplus installed? |
| 10:26.25 | DustyDingo | no |
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| 10:27.03 | craigevil | DustyDingo: take a look at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_Restore |
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| 10:27.41 | ArmEagle | ooooh THAT! |
| 10:27.43 | ArmEagle | :P |
| 10:27.46 | akruth | hi! is there a possibility to run mysql-server-4 and mysql-server-5 simultanously? |
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| 10:28.06 | ArmEagle | you dont want that popup |
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| 10:28.41 | craigevil | Make sure browser.startup.page is set to 3 and it should restore the last session every time |
| 10:29.42 | itchi | akruth: Look if the package conflict with each other |
| 10:29.52 | akruth | itchi, they do |
| 10:30.09 | itchi | akruth: You got the answer then |
| 10:30.13 | akruth | :( |
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| 10:30.59 | itchi | akruth: (with postgresql it is possible) |
| 10:31.16 | akruth | okay, thank |
| 10:31.17 | akruth | s |
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| 10:31.47 | GeorgeS069 | Is there a how-to for getting wpa working? |
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| 10:32.05 | DustyDingo | cracra |
| 10:32.08 | akruth | i think they conflict because they are using to same folder. can i change the installation folders of packages? |
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| 10:32.45 | itchi | GeorgeS069: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 10:33.02 | itchi | GeorgeS069: Was that wiki not yet bookmarked? |
| 10:33.06 | itchi | GeorgeS069: :-p |
| 10:33.17 | DustyDingo | craigevil: first of all i want to dissable session restore |
| 10:33.28 | GeorgeS069 | bookmarks got lost when I wiped the drive to make the laptop dual boot |
| 10:33.31 | GeorgeS069 | :( |
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| 10:33.39 | DustyDingo | craigevil: and i only have the option privacy.item.sessions |
| 10:33.49 | GeorgeS069 | dual boot was very easy to setup though! |
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| 10:34.17 | GeorgeS069 | grub saw the XP install and setup everything.....didn't have to re-install XP or anything |
| 10:34.21 | pif | hi, I can't find opengroupware packages in debian |
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| 10:34.33 | pif | are they on third party repositories? |
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| 10:35.01 | itchi | GeorgeS069: You know what we call a 'backup' :-) |
| 10:35.41 | GeorgeS069 | hahaha....I did backup alot of things...just not sure where I put all my bookmarks yet...not really my top priority right now:) |
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| 10:36.41 | GeorgeS069 | this is my first wireless setup in debian so I probably didn't have that bookmarked anyway :P |
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| 10:37.52 | GeorgeS069 | I used kernel 2.6.18 and the only param I had to pass was vga=771.....the rest of the install went perfect |
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| 10:39.00 | itchi | GeorgeS069: Btw, someone learned me the 'kopt' option in grub |
| 10:39.22 | GeorgeS069 | my only complaint was that I couldn't create a NTFS partition |
| 10:39.25 | itchi | GeorgeS069: Need to to re write the vga=771 each time when you upgrade a kernel? |
| 10:39.30 | GeorgeS069 | what's 'kopt'? |
| 10:39.59 | itchi | GeorgeS069: Look in your /boot/grub/menu.lst the commented line #kopt ... |
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| 10:40.24 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not sure yet....grub did append it to the current setup so maybe it will pass it on when I upgrade |
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| 10:40.56 | itchi | GeorgeS069: Each time now, if you upgrade a kernel, you need to re edit your menu.lst to again set that vga=771 option, because it's overwrited each time when you upgrade your kernel ... |
| 10:40.59 | GeorgeS069 | I do want to switch from a K7 to a K8 kernel so we'll see what happens |
| 10:41.36 | GeorgeS069 | ok...can always edit grub when it starts up too:0 |
| 10:41.40 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 10:41.42 | itchi | GeorgeS069: No need to switch, just if there's a newer kernel ... |
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| 10:42.04 | raavi | Can anybody let me know, how to add security key for etch |
| 10:42.20 | GeorgeS069 | I'd like to run a K8...this CPU is an Athlon 64 3200 |
| 10:42.23 | itchi | GeorgeS069: That's a bit loosed time. Look to that #kopt, and add there the vga=771 too, so he put that always back after a kernel upgrade ;-) |
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| 10:42.46 | craigevil | DustyDingo: set browser.startup.page to 1 to start Firefox/IW with your homepage or 0 to start with a blank page |
| 10:42.51 | GeorgeS069 | ohhh...ok...I will take a look at that when I boot into debian again |
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| 10:43.10 | itchi | GeorgeS069: It's useful |
| 10:43.15 | azi | i've noticed i'm missing /usr/include files.. and apt-get install doesn't find the package glibc.. is there anything else i should install? |
| 10:43.32 | berzerka | hello guys, i am searching for a (graphical) cvs repository browser. i only find web-based clients. i just need a (standalone) viewer. |
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| 10:43.32 | DustyDingo | craigevil: that won't help |
| 10:43.34 | GeorgeS069 | so 'kopt' means kernel options ? |
| 10:43.45 | cahoot | lng: and btw - no need cat a file to grep - grep the file directly |
| 10:43.51 | DustyDingo | craigevil: browser.sessionstore.enable -> false did the job |
| 10:43.58 | itchi | GeorgeS069: In my case; because i have a sda, and not a hda, and after a upgrade, he set a hda and i'm a bit screwed then. So i have uncomment that #kopt and have add the right params after it |
| 10:44.03 | DustyDingo | craigevil: i had to add this option, it wasn't there before |
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| 10:44.39 | DustyDingo | privacy.item.session -> false also disables session restore, but not when the pricess is killed |
| 10:44.40 | itchi | GeorgeS069: I have this: kopt=root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791 |
| 10:45.30 | itchi | GeorgeS069: It save my ass each time i upgrade the kernel :-) |
| 10:45.42 | GeorgeS069 | cool....I'll fix mine too....gonna get back into debina now and get the rest of my install done...hopefully when I come back I'll be in debian and have my wireless working |
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| 10:54.02 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:54.03 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 10:55.03 | itchi | What is TAB? :-p |
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| 10:55.45 | liable | itchi: kinda like coke, but for people on diets :P |
| 10:56.17 | itchi | hehe |
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| 10:57.27 | DimmuR | is partimage able to make full copy of ntfs volume? |
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| 11:00.21 | itchi | DimmuR: According to the website of it, it should |
| 11:00.59 | itchi | DimmuR: But read what there's noted about that satanic fs |
| 11:01.14 | phanter | Hi there, I just install mpd on my server, but my clients are not able to connect with it. What could be the problem? |
| 11:01.15 | DimmuR | itchi: i read that it's in experimental state and it shouldn't be problem after successfully backuped data |
| 11:01.43 | DimmuR | itchi: it's satanic fs but i'm trying to use best software for backup i know for linux to work for windows partitions at work |
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| 11:02.22 | liable | DimmuR: i tried it a year or two ago, and it fixed a broken windows system for me |
| 11:02.37 | itchi | DimmuR: Maybe, avoid satanic stuff?? :-) |
| 11:03.11 | DimmuR | itchi: it's impossible for me - there is some dedicated stuff for windows that cannot be replaced (by now) |
| 11:03.16 | DimmuR | liable: thanks for info |
| 11:03.31 | itchi | DimmuR: That's not a reason to use FAT32 |
| 11:03.37 | itchi | to not* |
| 11:03.58 | itchi | but yeah ... :-) |
| 11:04.13 | DimmuR | fat32 has no file permissions that i can set via gpo in active directory |
| 11:04.26 | itchi | :-/ |
| 11:04.54 | DimmuR | itchi: believe me if it would be possible i will install linux as on my computers but there are some important machines that has to have windows :( |
| 11:05.19 | capiira | hmmm hi, anyone know a tool to switch aspell dictionary? |
| 11:05.24 | Seraphyn | Hi |
| 11:05.35 | DimmuR | itchi: i'm working in tax office and half of machines is on linux already :) |
| 11:06.04 | itchi | DimmuR: Maybe look also to G4L, if partimage get some troubles |
| 11:06.20 | DimmuR | i look at that thanks |
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| 11:09.29 | DimmuR | itchi: it look perfect thanks |
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| 11:10.07 | itchi | DimmuR: Hope it goes for that ntfs :-/ i dunno about ntfs |
| 11:10.20 | phanter | hmm, I just received my via epia. All documentation on the internet sais that it should work out of the box, but I do not get the audio working :( |
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| 11:11.15 | itchi | phanter: Wait, i take the cristal ball |
| 11:11.28 | phanter | itchi: what do you see? |
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| 11:11.43 | itchi | floouueee |
| 11:12.17 | itchi | :-p |
| 11:12.19 | mwe | Can you somehow grep for several words that must all match other than grep A | grep B ...? The piping method tends to get really ugly really quickly. |
| 11:12.43 | phanter | i installed alsa-base. First I should find a way how to test it in a nice way. How can I do that |
| 11:13.28 | petemc | mwe: egrep "(foo|bar)" |
| 11:13.30 | itchi | phanter: Look to /msg dpkg alsa |
| 11:14.15 | mwe | petemc: no that or. I want them ALL to match |
| 11:14.20 | x_link | I just have a question, it has nothing to do with Debian, but nobody in KDE can asnwear me. |
| 11:14.33 | mwe | petemc: that would match either not both |
| 11:14.47 | x_link | I can download icons from kde-look.org and change all my icons, except for the Trash icon. |
| 11:14.58 | Techdeck_ | mwe, grep 'A.*B' |
| 11:14.58 | x_link | Why is that? Does anybody know what the reason for this could be? |
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| 11:15.05 | Seraphyn | Hi, got a small question, does anyone know where ich could find a repository for E17 with debian etch debs ? |
| 11:15.08 | x_link | I can change all other icons except for that one. |
| 11:15.17 | Seraphyn | s/ich/i/g |
| 11:16.03 | Seraphyn | Beacause i have had some Problems with the Easy_e17.sh, there is no acocal for Debian Etch |
| 11:16.07 | Techdeck_ | mwe, is that what you wanted? |
| 11:16.17 | mwe | Techdeck_: that would not match if B is bofore A would it? |
| 11:16.34 | Techdeck_ | mwe, egrep 'A.*B|B.*A' |
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| 11:17.04 | mwe | Techdeck_: yeah. I guess that would work. somewhat ugly, though ;) |
| 11:17.14 | Techdeck_ | uglier than grep | grep? |
| 11:17.16 | Techdeck_ | :p |
| 11:17.39 | mwe | Techdeck_: about as ugly I'd say ;) but not quite |
| 11:17.55 | Techdeck_ | oh well |
| 11:18.28 | mwe | Techdeck_: and I guess it will be quite complicated for 3 or more words |
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| 11:18.55 | Techdeck_ | mwe, you could make a loop for it, or just use grep | grep. |
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| 11:19.51 | mwe | Techdeck_: yeah. I guess AND is not supported, then. |
| 11:20.19 | phanter | itchi: thanks for the tip. |
| 11:20.22 | Techdeck_ | let me test something |
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| 11:20.37 | itchi | phanter: Your Welcome |
| 11:20.47 | phanter | i have sound now :), but still not perfectly. The card does output sound as it should be. It seems that it takes a sound sample and that it repeats this untill the end of days (or a reboot) |
| 11:20.47 | itchi | phanter: Maybe, btw, fix my cristall ball :-) |
| 11:20.55 | itchi | phanter: ;-) |
| 11:21.11 | phanter | itchi: maybe your cristal ball can help me again :)? |
| 11:21.23 | itchi | phanter: If fixed :-) |
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| 11:22.02 | Techdeck_ | mwe, ok, guess not, sorry |
| 11:22.06 | itchi | phanter: I need to go, will be back in a hour |
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| 11:22.11 | phanter | oke :) |
| 11:22.42 | Techdeck_ | oh wait mwe! |
| 11:22.56 | Techdeck_ | try egrep 'A*B' |
| 11:23.09 | Techdeck_ | ah, nvm |
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| 11:25.32 | noahslater | What |
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| 11:25.58 | noahslater | ... Sorry, I meant where can I ask questions about dpkg's handling of emacs lisp packages? |
| 11:26.17 | noahslater | Mainly from a package maintainers perspective... |
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| 11:28.39 | phanter | i have a soundcard problem. I have sound, but it seems to repeat a sample of the sound all the time instead of playing the music as it should do it. I own a via epia mainboard (cn1000EG) with integrated soundcard (VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97) which should be supported by Debian (as I found on the internet). Anyone with some idea how to solve this? |
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| 11:29.35 | noahslater | What sound system are you using? |
| 11:29.38 | noahslater | ALSA? |
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| 11:32.00 | phanter | yes ALSA |
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| 11:33.11 | noahslater | Okay... install alsa-utils and alsa-tools |
| 11:33.20 | noahslater | There should be a utility in there that tests your sound card. |
| 11:35.29 | phanter | how is that utility called? |
| 11:35.57 | phanter | I cannot find it... |
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| 11:36.30 | liable | alsaconf |
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| 11:38.19 | phanter | liable: i used alsaconf and it got my soundcard working, only the problem with my sound still exists |
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| 11:39.02 | phycho|aw | hey guys, im running debian stable and with a custom latest 2.4 kernel, it gets as far as "init booting" on bootup then hangs there |
| 11:39.06 | phycho|aw | anyone got any ideas whats wrong? |
| 11:39.08 | liable | phanter: no idea, never heard of that problem myself |
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| 11:43.02 | xored | how do i export a secret pgp key ? i had enigmaleamil ( a profile ) running on my laptop, the email profile was stored localy. Now i want to use my email account, which is stored on my debian box ( nfs)..but hey tells me..that enigma-service is not avaible..any tips ? |
| 11:43.20 | phanter | well... it seems that the loaded drivers are not correct (i think). I will dive into a bit now :) |
| 11:43.47 | phycho|aw | the exact same .config file worked fine in slackware :/ why wouldnt it work in debian. gah. |
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| 11:44.09 | phycho|aw | even building the kernel the 'old' way, i get the same problems |
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| 11:57.56 | phanter | when using debian testing. and having: "Linux version 2.6.18-3-486 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006", |
| 11:57.56 | phanter | which kernel headers should I install (there is no 2.6.18-3-486) |
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| 11:58.26 | abrotman | linux-headers ? |
| 11:58.46 | phanter | sorry: kernel-headers :) |
| 11:58.48 | abrotman | linux-headers-2.6-486 |
| 11:59.11 | abrotman | which is a metapackage that should pull in for your kernel version |
| 11:59.45 | phanter | abrotman: you picked the right one, but it was not in my apt-cache list when I searched ... i am puzzled but it is working |
| 11:59.53 | abrotman | yay? :) |
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| 12:01.16 | abrotman | phanter: apt-cache search linux-headers 486 .. nothing ? |
| 12:01.30 | shaun_ | I"m not trying to be offtopic here, but I couldn't find anywhere else to ask that had a lot of people |
| 12:01.44 | shaun_ | Where can I find white power music, radio, etc? |
| 12:01.44 | abrotman | there's a good way to start an offtopic conversation ... |
| 12:01.44 | phanter | how can I remove a soundcard. i tried modprobe -r <soundcard driver name>, but I get that the resource is busy. How can I make it un-busy and remove it? |
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| 12:01.54 | abrotman | shaun_: this really isn't the channel for that |
| 12:01.57 | shaun_ | ah ok |
| 12:02.04 | shaun_ | where would be a better place to ask? |
| 12:02.12 | abrotman | no idea |
| 12:02.20 | abrotman | phanter: you have to stop the processes that are using it |
| 12:02.35 | phanter | how can I find out which are using it? |
| 12:02.46 | shaun_ | I need to know how to make zyclon b and stuff |
| 12:02.47 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 12:02.53 | shaun_ | but I don't think debian will help with that |
| 12:02.57 | abrotman | shaun_: really .. try another channel .. maybe #freenode |
| 12:03.02 | shaun_ | good idea |
| 12:03.04 | shaun_ | thanks |
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| 12:08.25 | phanter | how can I find out which processes are using my soundcard? |
| 12:08.27 | halux | hi all, is it possible to install 32bit X libs into a 64bit etch ? I need them to for java 1.4.2 |
| 12:08.46 | halux | phanter: maybe lsof | grep dsp |
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| 12:09.40 | Suprano | how can i see all enviroment variables ? or which one is to set to export the X server dispaly ? |
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| 12:10.08 | badbugs | hello |
| 12:10.08 | halux | Suprano: var is DISPLAY, set/env |
| 12:10.24 | Suprano | e.g i am with putty on my pc and want to start an app that uses the local X server |
| 12:11.05 | halux | Suprano: I only know it with ssh: ssh -X server, than DISPLAY will be set automatically |
| 12:11.27 | sep | Suprano, i think there is a forward X option inside puttys menues somewhere |
| 12:11.28 | halux | You need the Option "X11Forwarding no" in your ssh config |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | halux: isn't there an amd64 build of java5 ? |
| 12:11.33 | Suprano | nono |
| 12:11.39 | Suprano | i don't want to get the screen |
| 12:11.56 | Suprano | i want to start a program that pops up at the computer that i connect to |
| 12:11.56 | halux | abrotman: I think yes, but I need 1.4.2 for my application |
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| 12:12.19 | Suprano | it shoudl use the local x of the pc i am connecting to |
| 12:12.40 | abrotman | halux: ick .. uhm .. can you run it in a chroot ? |
| 12:12.58 | halux | Suprano: I think you will need a real X server on your windows machine for it, but I never tried with putty |
| 12:13.04 | jduggan | Hi, to install debian on a machine with sata from the install iso's have i got to use linux26? |
| 12:13.10 | halux | abrotman: uh, don't really want |
| 12:13.25 | abrotman | halux: perhaps ask #debian-amd64 .. but i doubt it's doable |
| 12:13.27 | halux | I thought the /usr/lib32 folder is there for such things |
| 12:13.30 | halux | oh, ok, thanks |
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| 12:13.34 | abrotman | jduggan: it's a good idea |
| 12:14.01 | jduggan | abrotman: ok, it gets stuck at probing pci hardware when i try and boot linux26 |
| 12:14.11 | Suprano | halux, , you still don'T get me. PC A, linux and X server running. PC B windows + putty. goal: grafical programm starting using putty, displaying at PC A's X server |
| 12:14.19 | abrotman | jduggan: which installer? sarge or etch ? |
| 12:14.22 | t0pcat | hi everyone :) |
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| 12:14.29 | jduggan | abrotman: sarge, you think its worth trying etch? |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | for a workstation ? |
| 12:14.37 | jduggan | no |
| 12:14.45 | jduggan | its a customer specified os for a dedicated server |
| 12:14.45 | halux | Suprano: ah, ok, sorry ;) |
| 12:14.48 | jduggan | but its real new hardware |
| 12:14.50 | t0pcat | anyone here knows how to install compiz themes on deb???....would really appreciate the help :) |
| 12:15.18 | abrotman | jduggan: etch doesn't have security support yet .. perhaps /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 and try that ISO |
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| 12:16.10 | abrotman | jduggan: well .. the security repos for etch are there .. but in practice they're not being used yet |
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| 12:16.56 | jduggan | abrotman: i know about debians philosophy on release dates, but i hear rumours its fairly near.. perhaps its worth keeping with etch for now? |
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| 12:17.16 | Suprano | well halux do you know what i should DISPLAY to for that ? |
| 12:18.13 | abrotman | jduggan: that's the rumor :) .. but if it's external .. you could face security issues |
| 12:18.17 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 12:18.17 | dpkg | well, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
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| 12:19.35 | halux | Suprano: If I connect with ssh -X on the host starting x apps has set "localhost:10:0" |
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| 12:20.08 | t0pcat | anyone here know how to install compiz themes....would really like to have that :) |
| 12:20.32 | phanter | I do not get my audio driver unloaded. maybe somebody wants to help me in this process? |
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| 12:21.43 | abrotman | phanter: unload the modules that are using it .. if they won't unload find the app that is using them .. use fuser or lsof to find those |
| 12:21.49 | unautre | what is the page for "why is X package not in etch" ? |
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| 12:22.13 | abrotman | !why is blah not in testing |
| 12:22.13 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 12:22.20 | unautre | thanks |
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| 12:24.15 | phanter | via82cxxx 8452 0 [permanent] |
| 12:24.15 | phanter | ide_core 107760 4 ide_disk,ide_cd,via82cxxx,generic |
| 12:24.15 | phanter | I have these and when I type: "fuser via82cxxx" then I get "Cannot stat via82cxxx: No such file or directory" |
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| 12:25.04 | abrotman | no .. fuser /dev/dsp perhaps .. or lsof might be more useful |
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| 12:28.19 | phanter | abrotman: aaa, thank you |
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| 12:32.02 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just downloaded Zend Studio (IDE) to try it out. Our company is considering buying it - but I don't have support for the following important characters in the editor: ` and | - I've tried starting the program with both en_DK.UTF8 and plain ISO-8859-1 as locale (LANG=en_DK.UTF8 ./ZDE), but I still can't type the characters in the program. I have to paste them into the editor - and that's simply not good enough. I have ex |
| 12:32.02 | Jemt | pirenced the problem with other programs too. Zend Studio seems to be build on Java. Any suggestions would be greatly appriciated |
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| 12:32.22 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales .. maybe |
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| 12:32.39 | abrotman | Jemt: or ask Zend which locale they suggest |
| 12:32.54 | Jemt | abrotman: I'm not sure it's a locale issue |
| 12:32.55 | tralala | Jemt, have you tried LANG=C? |
| 12:33.05 | Jemt | tralala: Nope, I'll give it a try :) |
| 12:33.24 | loca|host | hello all |
| 12:33.34 | unautre | how can i change the language of the dictionnary used by xchat ? |
| 12:33.37 | halux | abrotman: it works, apt-get install ia32-libs ;9 |
| 12:33.41 | Jemt | tralala: Nope, didn't work :-( |
| 12:33.55 | tralala | Jemt, do these keys work in other X apps? |
| 12:34.09 | loca|host | i just bought a dell optiplex 320 station and runned to install debian on it, the installer seems to have problems with the dell's usb keyboard, any idea ? |
| 12:34.17 | Jemt | tralala: Yea, I typed them in XChat :) |
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| 12:34.29 | Jemt | tralala: Could be a java problem - not sure |
| 12:34.45 | Jemt | tralala: I can't use the characters in NetBeans (JAVA IDE) either |
| 12:35.35 | tralala | Jemt, there's also the Eclypse. |
| 12:35.36 | abrotman | halux: that's it? i thought that was just some basic libs .. ah well |
| 12:35.45 | Jemt | tralala: Eclypse ? |
| 12:36.17 | Jemt | tralala: Another IDE ? |
| 12:36.17 | tralala | yes |
| 12:36.18 | Jemt | tralala: I would prefer a solution to my problem rather |
| 12:36.34 | Jemt | tralala: I'm quite happy with NetBeans and Zend Studio :) |
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| 12:37.04 | tralala | Jemt, I'm not suggesting you to use a different ide but to test some more java apps and see if it really is a java related problem. |
| 12:37.08 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 12:37.12 | Jemt | I'm pretty sure I've fixed it some months ago - also with some sort of command in front of the actual program name; <command> ./ZDE |
| 12:37.14 | loca|host | my machine has no ps/2 port |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | usbhid loaded ? |
| 12:37.41 | Jemt | tralala: Oh, ok |
| 12:39.07 | loca|host | abrotman, how can i know ? only thing i can get working is the cd lilo, after entering, it freezes |
| 12:39.50 | abrotman | it freezes or won't take keyboard commands ? |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | try in the BIOS to see if there's a legacy mode for the USB input devices |
| 12:40.12 | jduggan | abrotman: when using that 2.6.18 iso and also with the official stable dvd, ive had the same errors regarding medium not found on the cd/dvd it suggests there's no cd in there.. obviously there is medium because ive booted from it, and ive tried manually mounting it from the bash shell, it says no medium found, any ideas on this? |
| 12:40.14 | abrotman | loca|host: and which installer ? |
| 12:40.21 | jduggan | abrotman: ive also tried using legacy for the ide |
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| 12:40.33 | abrotman | jduggan: the legacy item was for loca|host :) |
| 12:40.41 | abrotman | jduggan: sata CD ? |
| 12:40.52 | jduggan | abrotman: regular ide cdrom drive |
| 12:41.01 | loca|host | abrotman, debian 3.1r1a netinstall cd |
| 12:41.02 | abrotman | do you know the controller chipset ? |
| 12:41.08 | abrotman | loca|host: this is a workstation ? |
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| 12:41.12 | jduggan | i was using a usb dvd rom drive |
| 12:41.15 | abrotman | loca|host: are you using linux26 ? |
| 12:41.23 | jduggan | abrotman: its very new hardware, possibly not supported? :( |
| 12:41.28 | jduggan | abrotman: its intel stuff |
| 12:41.29 | loca|host | abrotman, yes i did linux26 at boot |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | jduggan: give the etch installer a whirl |
| 12:41.40 | halux | abrotman: yes, looks like this X libs are basic, I don't need a running X, only some libs for java awt |
| 12:41.42 | abrotman | jduggan: try the etch installer also ... |
| 12:41.54 | jduggan | abrotman: will do, thanks |
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| 12:42.49 | phanter | when I do "locate snd-hda" then I get: /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko"", but when I check "/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/kernel/sound/" there is no subfolder "pci". How is this possible ? |
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| 12:43.42 | abrotman | phanter: updatedb .. check again |
| 12:43.50 | liable | phanter: have you been compiling stuff or deleting shit since updatedb was run? |
| 12:44.04 | phanter | yes, did not know about updatedb |
| 12:44.09 | loca|host | abrotman, any idea ? |
| 12:44.16 | abrotman | loca|host: try the etch installer .. |
| 12:44.25 | loca|host | abrotman, where's that ? |
| 12:44.29 | liable | if its intel, should be supported |
| 12:44.30 | abrotman | phanter: didn't it say "Your database is older than 8 days" ? |
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| 12:44.34 | abrotman | !tell loca|host about d-i |
| 12:44.38 | loca|host | abrotman, i get only the 3.1 |
| 12:44.47 | phanter | nope |
| 12:45.19 | phanter | oke it worked |
| 12:45.25 | loca|host | abrotman, etch = testing or devel ? |
| 12:45.35 | tralala | testing |
| 12:45.42 | tralala | soon to be stable |
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| 12:46.57 | abrotman | hpoefully ... |
| 12:47.09 | liable | one day |
| 12:47.15 | loca|host | that what i knew |
| 12:47.27 | loca|host | i knew that in december, etch/testing will be stable |
| 12:47.31 | loca|host | didnt ? |
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| 12:47.42 | tralala | that was the initial plan |
| 12:48.12 | loca|host | ok |
| 12:48.58 | loca|host | if i install the testing one, and when the testing become stable, should i update my sources.list to stick with stable ? or should i stick to testing ? |
| 12:50.54 | liable | put 'etch' in there, and it will track stable when etch becomes stable |
| 12:51.08 | abrotman | loca|host: blah |
| 12:52.08 | tralala | of course some packages might get dropped out of etch if the bugs aren't fixed |
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| 12:52.30 | tralala | and I'm not so sure if the testing->stable transition will be without any problems |
| 12:53.06 | liable | why wouldnt it? |
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| 12:53.26 | abrotman | tralala: so get fixin! |
| 12:53.42 | tralala | abrotman, sure - I'm already on my way |
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| 12:55.09 | fireba11 | hm .. at least no progress in total number of bugs the last weeks ^^ |
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| 12:56.30 | tralala | liable, because it's impossible to actually test it |
| 12:56.54 | Jemt | tralala: It's the same thing in every single Java application I run - I'm missing the following characters: ' ` | " ^ ~ (two buttons on my keyboard) |
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| 12:58.44 | davi_ | Where are the pre and post instalation script of a .deb package?. I do not see it with dpkg -c or dpkg -x .. |
| 12:58.59 | azeem | davi_: they're in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 12:59.19 | tralala | Jemt, hmm... the only thing that comes to mind is to strace it and see what's going on with the keyboard events |
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| 12:59.25 | azeem | davi_: or if you mean *inside* the .deb, they're in the control.tar.gz, not the data.tar.gz |
| 12:59.44 | Jemt | tralala: Well, I just tried da_DK.UTF8, and now a few of the characters work |
| 12:59.45 | azeem | the content of the latter is output by dpkg -c |
| 13:00.11 | Jemt | tralala: I'm pretty sure it's something similar to LANG=C I should choose - just can't remember the proper encondig to select |
| 13:00.20 | Jemt | tralala: I have had the same problem with OpenOffice |
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| 13:00.26 | davi_ | thanks azeem |
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| 13:02.16 | Jemt | tralala: It wouldn't help installing every single locale, right ? |
| 13:02.20 | tralala | Jemt, do you have LC_ALL set up? |
| 13:02.28 | Jemt | tralala: Not sure - how do I check ? |
| 13:02.31 | tralala | Jemt, I don't think so |
| 13:02.37 | Jemt | tralala: Okay |
| 13:02.39 | tralala | Jemt, echo $LC_ALL |
| 13:02.51 | Jemt | tralala: Empty |
| 13:02.59 | Jemt | tralala: What value should it contain ? |
| 13:03.05 | tralala | Jemt, try env | grep <your_system_locale> |
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| 13:03.11 | Jemt | tralala: Ok, sec |
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| 13:03.33 | tralala | Jemt, also do you have anything in LANGUAGE? |
| 13:03.36 | Jemt | LANG=en_DK \n LANGUAGE=en_DK:en_US:en_GB:en |
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| 13:04.09 | cahoot | en_DK? |
| 13:04.15 | Jemt | echo $LANGUAGE: en_DK:en_US:en_GB:en |
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| 13:04.25 | Jemt | cahoot: English_Danish |
| 13:04.41 | khaleel5100 | Hi everyone , I am a n00b with dialup (very slow internet connection) I have debian ETCH , I have Open office 2.0 ( I want to know a PDF to doc or any other openoffice supported format converter |
| 13:05.05 | tralala | Jemt, try unsetting LANG and LANGUAGE |
| 13:05.12 | Jemt | tralala: Okay, will do :) |
| 13:05.23 | Jemt | tralala: Is '$LANGUAGE = ""' sufficient ? |
| 13:05.39 | tralala | use unset var |
| 13:05.41 | Jemt | Or should I use the unset function ? |
| 13:05.44 | Jemt | Aha :) |
| 13:06.01 | raf256 | damn. Debian lacks a decent Jabber client |
| 13:06.04 | Jemt | TP-X31:/home/jemt# unset $LANGUAGE \n bash: unset: `en_DK:en_US:en_GB:en': not a valid identifier |
| 13:06.21 | tralala | Jemt, without the $ |
| 13:06.28 | Jemt | raf256: It sure dosn't - gaim is nice :) |
| 13:06.30 | Jemt | tralala: Oh |
| 13:06.32 | raf256 | Psi have messed up, not working encryption, kopete fucks up message containing html like text... any idea how to fix or what to use instead |
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| 13:06.57 | fireba11 | khaleel5100: pdf is nto exactly editing-freindly .. and rather hard to convert into something you can easily edit |
| 13:07.09 | raf256 | Jemt: Gaim was quite ugly and is was not as comfortable as kopete :/ kopete woudl be best if they fix the freking bugs |
| 13:07.14 | tralala | psi works fine with encryption |
| 13:07.25 | raf256 | tralala: no, the encription in psi is fucked up |
| 13:07.28 | Jemt | tralala: Unfortunately I still don't have the chars available |
| 13:07.44 | raf256 | tralala: 10.x fails to use STARTLS encryption required by some servers, 11.x fails to use OpenPGP |
| 13:08.08 | Jemt | raf256: Use a few minutes to set up Gaim. I agree, it looks crappy per default - but a few minutes of tweaking, and it looks pretty decent :) |
| 13:08.20 | khaleel5100 | fireba11: so thats a NO SUCH THING EXISTS? |
| 13:08.31 | raf256 | Jemt: they should made a psi and clean-look styles for it |
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| 13:08.51 | tralala | Jemt, try to export LANGUAGE=en_GB and LANG=en_GB |
| 13:08.55 | Jemt | Ok |
| 13:08.57 | raf256 | Jemt: is it easy to administrate things like multiple accounts, say I have 10 accounts and I want to have them separated (separate rousters) |
| 13:09.14 | fireba11 | khaleel5100: depends on your pdf .. soem you can convert, others your can't really |
| 13:09.37 | Jemt | tralala: Still no improvements :-/ |
| 13:09.39 | Oins | I want to install a webcam on my pc which capture only if there is a motion. Can anyone give me a tip Which software i should use for this? |
| 13:09.50 | janttsu | Oins: "motion" |
| 13:09.50 | tralala | Jemt, back to strace |
| 13:09.51 | Jemt | raf256: Yea, quite easy actually |
| 13:10.05 | liable | Oins: funnily enough, theres a program called 'motion' :) |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | khaleel5100: you can dump pdf to text IIRC |
| 13:10.09 | Jemt | tralala: Which outputs key events ? |
| 13:10.33 | abrotman | !find bin/pdf2 etch |
| 13:10.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pdf2' (4): (/usr/bin/pdf2dcm) in science/dcmtk ;; (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/bin/pdf2fax.gs) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/prog-bin/{pdf2html.pm|pdf2xml.pm}) in web/swish-e. |
| 13:10.54 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 13:10.54 | khaleel5100 | fireba11: its a PDF document that I have to FILL VIA PC , hand written wont be accepted (hence its Easy to convert ?) since they must have intended to support its conversion |
| 13:11.00 | Oins | :) thank you |
| 13:11.04 | tralala | Jemt, it outputs everything - you'll have to finetune it to see what's going on with the keyboard events |
| 13:11.29 | Jemt | tralala: Oh, okay. Have to be some other day then. I hoped this could be soved in 10 minutes |
| 13:12.01 | tralala | Jemt, I hope you've started the jave progs from the terminal where you changed the vars. |
| 13:12.10 | Jemt | tralala: I did :) |
| 13:12.41 | Jemt | So export is only changing the char-set of the current session ? |
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| 13:12.58 | tralala | Jemt, the current terminal actually |
| 13:13.11 | Jemt | tralala: Ok, as long as it is gone when I restart :) |
| 13:13.12 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 13:13.33 | tralala | it's gone when you log off the terminal |
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| 13:14.27 | fireba11 | khaleel5100: it's a pdf containing editable forms then .. just use a nice pdf viewer and you should be able to fill it |
| 13:15.27 | khaleel5100 | fireba11: nope they are semi literates , they have a non-editable pdf |
| 13:15.43 | khaleel5100 | fireba11: i mena not having editable forms |
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| 13:15.59 | fireba11 | khaleel5100: then they are dumb because they can't require you to fill it when it's not editable |
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| 13:17.13 | svilendotorg | hi folks |
| 13:17.25 | Trewas | khaleel5100: did you open it with adobe acrobat or some other pdf viewer? |
| 13:17.52 | svilendotorg | can you help me with an advice - i'm building a new clean Debian Etch AMD64 system |
| 13:18.14 | khaleel5100 | abrotman: I dont seem to have any package named pdf2dcm or pdf2 .... which repo should I add? |
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| 13:18.31 | svilendotorg | and i want to install an automated managing software like ISPConfig or WebMin to manage my services |
| 13:18.43 | abrotman | khaleel5100: they are in packages .. |
| 13:19.00 | abrotman | khaleel5100: it tells you which pakcages they are in |
| 13:19.12 | svilendotorg | i use: Apache2, MySQL4,ProFTPD,Bind9,iptables,EXIM4 |
| 13:19.23 | svilendotorg | iproute2 |
| 13:19.28 | abrotman | ack! .. too many caps! |
| 13:19.30 | svilendotorg | the usial stuff |
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| 13:20.31 | liable | abrotman: pdftotext |
| 13:20.43 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 13:20.49 | abrotman | !find bin/pdfto etch |
| 13:20.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pdfto' (4): (/usr/bin/pdftoppm) in text/xpdf-reader ;; (/usr/bin/pdftoipe) in graphics/pdftoipe ;; (/usr/bin/pdftohtml) in text/pdftohtml,utils/poppler-utils ;; (/usr/bin/{pdftops|pdftotext}) in utils/poppler-utils,text/xpdf-utils. |
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| 13:21.04 | abrotman | look .. more! |
| 13:21.20 | svilendotorg | can someone advice with a stable ISP managing software? |
| 13:21.24 | abrotman | though .. i thought one of the PDF viewers supported forms |
| 13:22.03 | khaleel5100 | abrotman: which packgae name would it be ? |
| 13:22.11 | abrotman | the bot just said! |
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| 13:23.28 | tralala | svilendotorg, ISP managing software? What would that be? |
| 13:23.59 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: I opened it in adobe (in m$ and in linux via kpdf) link to that pdf is http://nts.org.pk/NTSWeb/HECFDP2007/HECFDP2007.pdf |
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| 13:25.34 | Trewas | khaleel5100: the form works (the fields can be filled) in acrobat reader 7, but as usual the filled form cannot be saved, only printed |
| 13:25.44 | svilendotorg | tralala: web interface for managing apache2,mysql,proftpd, etc. |
| 13:26.16 | svilendotorg | tralala: something like ISPConfig or WebMin, but something tested and working |
| 13:26.31 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: the saving is the problem . |
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| 13:27.06 | abrotman | svilendotorg: vi |
| 13:27.32 | Trewas | khaleel5100: one way around is to "print to file" so you get a .ps, then ps2pdf to get a pdf :) |
| 13:27.47 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: which pdf user are you using? |
| 13:28.11 | Trewas | khaleel5100: adobe reader 7 in linux |
| 13:28.41 | svilendotorg | abrotman: yea, i used to hand-edit all the cfg's but my free time goes to the motorcycle :( so i want something simple to manage 3 domains, a few ftp accounts, etc. |
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| 13:28.56 | tralala | svilendotorg, webmin is propbably the most close thing but it wouldn't be wise for any ISP not to have a skilled sysadmin and avoid using eye-candy configuration software |
| 13:29.05 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 13:29.05 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 13:29.15 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: and whcih package has ps2pdf |
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| 13:30.16 | Trewas | khaleel5100: seems to be in gs-common |
| 13:30.31 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: ok thanks |
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| 13:31.50 | cast | anyone have any ideas why rlwrap wouldn't be found by apt, seeing as its in main |
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| 13:32.18 | svilendotorg | tralala: i'm sad to say, but i'm not working as a sys/net-admin, and i go to a full time job, have some time-comsumpting hobbies and i don't have the time anymore to continue developing my linux skills as i would want to |
| 13:32.59 | tralala | svilendotorg, and yet you want to become an ISP? |
| 13:33.21 | liable | there is a free app similar to cpanel, but i forget what it is |
| 13:33.39 | svilendotorg | tralala: i don't want to become an ISP :) It's my home server/gateway and i host for free 2 websites of a friends |
| 13:35.07 | liable | put there apache dir in there home and let them have ssh access with winscp if they have windows |
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| 13:35.12 | tralala | svilendotorg, then go for webmin and make sure you have an adequate backup policy that will allow you to restore your system quickly if/when you get rooted |
| 13:35.25 | svilendotorg | i don't charge money for this and i have told them it's better to host their websites to a real ISP, but they prefer me, maybe because it's free, maybe because we are friends... |
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| 13:36.10 | svilendotorg | which is better then: ISPConfig or WebMin |
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| 13:37.52 | fantomas | .ÃÓ |
| 13:37.58 | fantomas | :) |
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| 13:38.49 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: an setting up ispconfig right now .. |
| 13:39.13 | cast | ahh, no amd64 version. odd. |
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| 13:39.28 | khaleel5100 | Trewas: I have succedded in getting it to a .ps file , now , now how do I edit it and stuff ? |
| 13:39.28 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: it seems a lot better than webmin, though i can not make any quailty comments on security |
| 13:39.33 | svilendotorg | i've tried WebMin but didn't like it too much; right now my server has 2 NIC's/ISP's, because my brother plays WOW and i'm prerouting Blizzard IP's vie the second ISP. The first one has 2 virtual real static ip's for BIND9 for primary and secondary DNSs, although it's not very wise to have both of them on one machine with one ISP... |
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| 13:40.09 | svilendotorg | fireba11: great :) where are you so far |
| 13:40.40 | simon23 | hi, i got my dmesg output here ( http://paste.debian.net/20808 ), can anyone tell me please if i can use an append line in my grub conf to use ide-scsi emulation to set the dma for my cd/dvd drive? (i dont know how high i can set the udma) |
| 13:40.48 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: got it installed without too much hazzle.. it's mainly for managing a shared hosting environment though .. don't know it it fits your needs |
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| 13:40.56 | NokturnalMortum | hello all |
| 13:41.03 | NokturnalMortum | please, help me |
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| 13:41.18 | fireba11 | !tell NokturnalMortumabout ask |
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| 13:41.24 | abrotman | close .. |
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| 13:41.28 | fireba11 | wtf |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | you missed a space |
| 13:41.42 | fireba11 | oh |
| 13:41.48 | abrotman | !ask |
| 13:41.48 | fireba11 | !tell NokturnalMortum about ask |
| 13:41.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:41.56 | NokturnalMortum | I have Compaq Prosignia 300, i dont know how to install debian on it |
| 13:41.58 | fireba11 | abrotman: true .. :-D |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | !d-i NokturnalMortum |
| 13:42.09 | dpkg | NokturnalMortum, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:42.16 | tralala | NokturnalMortum, follow the install guide |
| 13:42.32 | tralala | !i-g |
| 13:42.38 | tralala | !ig |
| 13:42.38 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 13:42.57 | svilendotorg | i've just downloaded Debian Etch AMD64 Netinstall CD because Sarge x86 kernel's doesn't support the new mainboards' chipset |
| 13:43.24 | Trewas | khaleel5100: how I would do it is 1) Open the original pdf in adobe reader, 2) fill the form, 3) print to file, 4) convert .ps back to pdf with ps2pdf, 5) you have a pdf with filled form |
| 13:43.30 | liable | do web cams come in different resolutions? |
| 13:43.32 | tralala | svilendotorg, there are unofficial sarge installers with better hw support |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | tralala: same kernel as etch though IIRC |
| 13:44.14 | svilendotorg | tralala: i know, but i wanna try the Etch amd64 port because of the new kernel |
| 13:44.20 | abrotman | liable: i still don't want to see you |
| 13:44.26 | liable | :P |
| 13:44.43 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: it's working neatly here |
| 13:44.47 | tralala | abrotman, there's nothing wrong with this, is there? |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | with what ? |
| 13:45.02 | liable | abrotman: when i finally move into my house, i will be away for two weeks at a time, and want to set up a bit of a security cam thing |
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| 13:45.10 | NokturnalMortum | there is no manual for Compaq SCSI |
| 13:45.16 | svilendotorg | i mean i can update sarge's kernel with testing, but there go the testing packet's and it becomes a little bit of mess |
| 13:45.42 | abrotman | liable: you're moving .. then going on vacation? anyplace good ? |
| 13:45.51 | tralala | NokturnalMortum, are you facing a particular problem with the installation? |
| 13:46.07 | liable | abrotman: nah, i just moved, and my new job is 15 on 13 off |
| 13:46.20 | abrotman | liable: ouch |
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| 13:46.29 | abrotman | liable: guardsheep ? |
| 13:46.32 | tralala | svilendotorg, there's backports.org |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | i'd pay money to see a burglar being chased by a rabid sheep |
| 13:46.57 | NokturnalMortum | I cant install Debian or FreeBSD, I cant enter the bios] |
| 13:46.59 | svilendotorg | So, after i install Etch AMD64 and hopefully enable the DMA of the HDDs, i will make software mirror of 2 identical hard drives, then connect 3rd one for backup purposes |
| 13:47.33 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: use the raid setup from installer ... |
| 13:47.37 | simon23 | hi, i got my dmesg output here ( http://paste.debian.net/20808 ), can anyone tell me please if i can use an append line in my grub conf to use ide-scsi emulation to set the dma for my cd/dvd drive? (i dont know how high i can set the udma) |
| 13:47.43 | svilendotorg | then i think of installing ISPConfig and configure everything with it |
| 13:47.48 | NokturnalMortum | OK, Thanx people |
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| 13:47.51 | abrotman | simon23: 2.6 ? |
| 13:47.59 | simon23 | abrotman: yes. |
| 13:48.07 | abrotman | doesn't need ide-scsi anymore |
| 13:48.16 | abrotman | in most cases anyways |
| 13:48.24 | simon23 | well - that shows how less i know about that issue |
| 13:48.38 | simon23 | but i cant set the udma with hdparm |
| 13:48.42 | svilendotorg | fireba11: if the installer recognizes my chipset correctly and load all the modules to enable DMA, i will configure it with the installer |
| 13:48.48 | NokturnalMortum | I'll try to do something |
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| 13:49.24 | svilendotorg | sarge was missing the needed chipset kernel module so the transfer was alwuf |
| 13:49.33 | svilendotorg | alful i mean :) |
| 13:49.43 | simon23 | i found this comman on the net "hdparm -d 1 /dev/scd0 " but it says: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Function not implemented |
| 13:49.55 | svilendotorg | or awful :) |
| 13:50.26 | svilendotorg | simon23: it smells like missing driver module |
| 13:50.58 | simon23 | svilendotorg: how can i find out which one is missing? |
| 13:51.34 | simon23 | i have idecore and cdrom loaded. |
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| 13:52.23 | simon23 | and some modules for the intel chipset |
| 13:52.24 | Arafangion | How might I get my Sound Blaster to work? |
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| 13:52.46 | Arafangion | Yeah, those ancient ISA ones! |
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| 13:54.05 | svilendotorg | Please explaing where are the hard-drivers connected to, what type are they (pada,sata or scsi) and the same info about the cd-rom |
| 13:54.13 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I test for the exsistence of an environment variable? (As opposed to testing wether it has a value at all) |
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| 13:54.43 | neuro` | evening |
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| 13:54.57 | Arafangion | neuro`: set | grep foo |
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| 13:55.01 | netman1 | neuro: 'afternoon ;-) |
| 13:55.16 | simon23 | svilendotorg: (did you meant me?) i got a laptop my hd is serial ata and i dont know about my cdrom. |
| 13:55.16 | neuro` | I have an issue with my sarge upgraded to etch debian : no /etc/shadow at all |
| 13:55.24 | neuro` | Which is curious |
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| 13:55.54 | Arafangion | neuro`: Is it a complete upgrade? Did you use apt-get? |
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| 13:56.46 | simon23 | svilendotorg: my cdrom is a dvd burner as well, the device is /dev/scd0 so i thought it would be a scsi emulation, but then i heard that kernel 2.6 doesnt use ide-scsi anymore. |
| 13:57.12 | neuro` | Arafangion: aptitude |
| 13:57.27 | neuro` | In which package are shodow passwords ? |
| 13:57.38 | neuro` | Oh, I'm using debian amd64 |
| 13:57.40 | Arafangion | neuro`: Then you probably did everything right. I suggest you install apt-file |
| 13:57.47 | svilendotorg | netman1: echo $wanted_env |
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| 13:57.54 | Arafangion | neuro`: Then you can do apt-file update && apt-file search shadow :) |
| 13:58.08 | svilendotorg | netman1: example - echo $HOME |
| 13:58.22 | neuro` | Arafangion: trying this |
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| 13:58.55 | svilendotorg | neuro`: /etc/shadow??? |
| 13:59.26 | neuro` | svilendotorg: yes, you know, the shadow passwords file |
| 13:59.26 | svilendotorg | ups, i see it's not there |
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| 13:59.34 | Arafangion | neuro`: I can only remember ever once loosing /etc/shadow, though - and that was back in my naive days of using Sid |
| 13:59.38 | DrAk0 | Hello I need help here... I was installing some packages with aptitude and everything is broken now, the system can't start up correctly, it halts and drop a 'ash' console |
| 13:59.51 | DrAk0 | now the filesystem is splitted into / and /root |
| 13:59.53 | Arafangion | neuro`: Using any (significant) non-standard packages? |
| 13:59.58 | AI_coder | i'm trying /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 restart and it acts like it is working but there is nothing listening on the default port 5432 specified in the conf file or any other port, does anyone know why it isn't listening? |
| 14:00.00 | DrAk0 | where /root contain most of the filesystem |
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| 14:00.03 | neuro` | Arafangion: it's the first time I don't see shadow passwords since they were introcued years ago |
| 14:00.20 | Arafangion | Hmm, the sound blaster now appears to work just fine (no speakers to test with(!)) |
| 14:00.35 | neuro` | Arafangion: root@7el.net:/etc# apt-file search shadow |
| 14:00.35 | neuro` | root@7el.net:/etc# |
| 14:01.11 | neuro` | sorry, didn't update |
| 14:01.30 | Arafangion | neuro`: You could also try the debian online search - on the days that it actually works(!) |
| 14:02.16 | Arafangion | Anyway, rebooting. |
| 14:02.28 | Arafangion | Gotta test this new debian installation and change some hardware :) |
| 14:02.40 | Arafangion | (Now that wireless should be working!) |
| 14:02.40 | netman1 | svilendotorg: Thanks. |
| 14:03.17 | neuro` | Arafangion: apt-file returned nothing significant |
| 14:04.21 | abrotman | it's a generated file |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | though .. should probably atl east return a doc page or something |
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| 14:09.44 | maddash | is there a debian patch for the vanilla 2.6.19 source? |
| 14:10.47 | azeem | maddash: sure, it's in the linux-image source package I guess |
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| 14:11.42 | AI_coder | not that anybody would need this solution in a million years, but postgresql.conf tcpip_socket=true (false by default) |
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| 14:12.09 | maddash | azeem: yes, but the repository only has linux-* up to 2.6.18 |
| 14:12.11 | AI_coder | that could be a real show stopped... |
| 14:12.58 | jduggan | Should etch be shipping with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 14:13.11 | azeem | maddash: right, there's no 2.6.19 Debian kernel yet |
| 14:13.13 | azeem | jduggan: of course |
| 14:13.23 | jduggan | azeem: i just downloaded etch and it booted into a 2.4 |
| 14:13.23 | jduggan | heh |
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| 14:13.29 | jduggan | so i wonder if its an old 'testing' image :o |
| 14:13.38 | DavidProck1981 | hay can Debian be installed on a Fat 32 partition |
| 14:13.40 | azeem | jduggan: it certainly doesn't |
| 14:13.44 | azeem | DavidProck1981: no |
| 14:13.55 | azeem | jduggan: where did you download from? |
| 14:14.00 | jduggan | azeem: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 14:14.14 | jduggan | azeem: the installer installs into a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:14.26 | azeem | jduggan: what do you mean "installs into"? |
| 14:14.44 | jduggan | ok, during the installer, if im using switch to a bash shell and uname -r its 2.4 |
| 14:14.52 | jduggan | -using |
| 14:14.54 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way if you want to dual boot with windows, to where you can install windows after you do linux |
| 14:15.21 | maddash | azeem: so I can't run the vanilla 2.6.19 I compiled? (am I using the term properly here? "vanilla" == compiled straight from whatever was downloaded from kernel.org?) |
| 14:15.21 | azeem | DavidProck1981: you need to install both on seperate partitions |
| 14:15.38 | azeem | maddash: sure you can, but you can't have a Debian patch (yet) |
| 14:15.45 | fireba11 | DavidProck1981: also, windows install will kill your boot manager, you ened to reinstall later or do the other way round |
| 14:15.51 | jduggan | azeem: is that normal? for the installer to be using 2.4, in etch? |
| 14:16.00 | DavidProck1981 | can debian be installed first / before windows |
| 14:16.05 | azeem | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 14:16.17 | azeem | DavidProck1981: but Windows will overwrite your boot loader, you need to fix that afterwards |
| 14:16.20 | DavidProck1981 | how would I go about doing it |
| 14:16.31 | azeem | jduggan: you can ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:17.36 | DavidProck1981 | I just need windows for a few things, won't be using ti much |
| 14:18.13 | azeem | DavidProck1981: do what? |
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| 14:19.06 | nocturn | Hi all |
| 14:19.10 | DavidProck1981 | I only need windows so I can use software that does stuff for my cell phone , and so I can run Nero 7 ultra |
| 14:19.22 | nocturn | I have a problem on Etch, I have a system with a built-in e1000 card |
| 14:19.25 | azeem | DavidProck1981: right, but what is your problem? |
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| 14:19.33 | fireba11 | nocturn: define problem |
| 14:19.33 | nocturn | I put in a second e1000 card with two ports |
| 14:19.45 | nocturn | it sees both cards, and the ports on the second one |
| 14:20.04 | nocturn | however, plugging in a cable only works on the internal card |
| 14:20.08 | nocturn | the others show no link |
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| 14:20.23 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way that I can proplerly emulate Nero 7 Ultra, that will solve half of the problem |
| 14:20.24 | svilendotorg | what about IPCop for managing Debian services? |
| 14:20.25 | nocturn | Older 2.6 kernels handle this fine (so it's not a hardwar fault) |
| 14:20.27 | liable | what does dmesg say? |
| 14:20.29 | fireba11 | nocturn: so you got two cards with two ports each ? |
| 14:21.15 | fireba11 | svilendotorg: uhm .. ipcop is specialized for fiewall funtionality ... |
| 14:21.57 | nocturn | no, the first one is internal (has one port) |
| 14:22.04 | nocturn | the second one has two ports |
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| 14:23.03 | nocturn | BTW, will etch make a release soon? |
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| 14:23.30 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 14:24.10 | maddash | azeem: but will it run properly? (ie, if it does, why would I need the debian patch in the first place? |
| 14:24.13 | fireba11 | nocturn: hopefully .. help fixing bugs and it'll be faster :-) |
| 14:24.14 | azeem | I assume a release update will be issued in due short by the release managers |
| 14:24.32 | nocturn | fireba11: the problem is, I need to choose between sarge and etch now |
| 14:24.38 | DavidProck1981 | HAS ANYONE had problems with the Iceweasle upgrade that replaced firefox ??? |
| 14:24.51 | azeem | maddash: the Debian patch reflects how the Debian stock kernels look like |
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| 14:24.59 | azeem | maddash: you are free to compile your own kernels and use them |
| 14:25.19 | fireba11 | nocturn: i'm goin with etch already ... got 3 development servers running with it and my new rented server too |
| 14:26.11 | nocturn | fireba11: I would like too, but the interfaces not working is a problem |
| 14:26.26 | nocturn | It means I have to put everything on one interface... |
| 14:27.01 | fireba11 | nocturn: hm .. not that nice ... what kernel did work with it ? |
| 14:27.18 | nocturn | I tested it with Sarge, 2.6.8 |
| 14:27.24 | nocturn | Knoppix 2.6.12 |
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| 14:27.39 | nocturn | but I don't have anything inbetween handy |
| 14:27.54 | nocturn | Etch 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 share this problem |
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| 14:29.07 | Orfeous | i was thinking of install a caching www proxy, any tutorials? |
| 14:29.24 | fireba11 | nocturn: hm .. you could try just usign the vanilla 2.6.19 of course |
| 14:29.39 | nocturn | fireba11: I want to be carefull with this system |
| 14:29.47 | nocturn | It'll be a critical component |
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| 14:29.58 | nocturn | Normally I would go Sarge |
| 14:30.16 | nocturn | But I want to try some network filesystems on it |
| 14:30.19 | fireba11 | nocturn: then do and upgrade alter :-) |
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| 14:30.32 | DavidProck1981 | is there a version of VMware that will work with Etch, any one know? |
| 14:30.41 | nocturn | I'm afraid I'll have to |
| 14:30.47 | nocturn | though upgrading later will be a long time |
| 14:30.59 | fireba11 | DavidProck1981: vmware server works fine with etch |
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| 14:31.25 | DavidProck1981 | how different is it to workstation |
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| 14:31.56 | naitram | trying to run starts get error no modes found on either pipe. how to troubleshoot? |
| 14:32.09 | naitram | using sid |
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| 14:32.52 | fireba11 | DavidProck1981: quite a bit bot that should work too |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: ask #vmware |
| 14:33.34 | DavidProck1981 | fireba11 will vmware server let you create the vmOS or just let you run one? |
| 14:35.27 | nocturn | Thanks for the help, Cya |
| 14:35.28 | nocturn | .quit |
| 14:35.34 | fireba11 | DavidProck1981: read the specs on vmware.com already ^^ |
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| 14:40.24 | liable | i hate looking for linux compatible hardware |
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| 14:42.54 | DavidProck1981 | liable me too |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | liable: it's easy! |
| 14:43.55 | liable | !attack abrotman |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | !eat liable |
| 14:44.05 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 14:44.05 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 14:44.17 | AngusRF | what do i need for hotplugging an s-ata(2) disk ? |
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| 14:44.35 | DavidProck1981 | I wonder is the nForce 680i MotherBord Will be fully compatible with Debian Etch |
| 14:44.36 | liable | AngusRF: a driver for your controller that supports it |
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| 14:45.37 | AngusRF | i'm not too experienced with s-ata.. i triied entering modinfo sata and pressed tab then.. i loaded the module sata_nv, i guess this is the driver for nvidia (nforce controller).. do you knoow whether it supports hotplugging ? |
| 14:45.52 | DavidProck1981 | does anyone in here have the nForce 680i MotherBord |
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| 14:46.08 | abrotman | AngusRF: might want to ask #kernel |
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| 14:46.39 | liable | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#nvidia |
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| 14:48.22 | Edward_TLS | is there a way I can rsync like 2.5 million file from one server to my 2th server.. |
| 14:48.31 | Edward_TLS | rsync tikes like ages.. |
| 14:48.52 | liable | Edward_TLS: are you using it with ssh, or the rsync daemon? |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | so you want to rsync .. but not use rsync ? |
| 14:49.04 | abrotman | rsync takes a long time the first time |
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| 14:49.34 | NetGangsta | I just got a VPS with like 10ips and why all my services ex : ftp , ssh , apache run on all IPS? |
| 14:49.47 | NetGangsta | I can connect to ssh with all of my IPs |
| 14:49.47 | NetGangsta | lol |
| 14:50.07 | NetGangsta | so if I make a user shell account the guy can connect to ssh - ftp with all of my IPS |
| 14:50.08 | NetGangsta | that suck |
| 14:50.25 | Edward_TLS | liable, just the rsync deamon |
| 14:50.38 | fireba11 | NetGangsta: you can configure taht you know |
| 14:51.06 | NetGangsta | fireba11 Yeah but I dont know where |
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| 14:51.22 | Edward_TLS | abrotman, well the io load is really high due to production traffic... so it's hard to copy it over... :( |
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| 14:52.11 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 14:53.14 | naitram | anyone know, should i install xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg, xfree86 list as a transisional package to xserver-xorg? |
| 14:53.51 | maddash | naitram: xserver-xorg... |
| 14:53.54 | HymnToLife | naitram, if running Etch or Sid, it's Xorg |
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| 14:54.11 | HymnToLife | XF86 if running Sarge |
| 14:54.24 | adrakoa | and sarge has xorg too... |
| 14:54.27 | adrakoa | i think |
| 14:54.42 | Hoxzer | It doesnt ^^ |
| 14:54.42 | maddash | is there a guide to setup a system with debootstrap? |
| 14:54.48 | AngusRF | ty liable ;) |
| 14:55.03 | pisti | maddash: http://www.chains.ch/chroot.php |
| 14:55.08 | naitram | thanks all running sid, upgraded from sarge. so remove xfree86 then install xorg, right |
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| 14:55.32 | adrakoa | naitram: change to etch... |
| 14:55.34 | adrakoa | first |
| 14:55.47 | adrakoa | it wiil be the next stable |
| 14:56.43 | naitram | adrakoa: to change back, all i need to do is edit my sources.list and do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:57.05 | NetGangsta | fireba11 so u know where and how to configure that% |
| 14:57.53 | adrakoa | naitram: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/stable/etch/ | sed s/sarge/etch/ > /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:58.54 | adrakoa | naitram: after apt-get update -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y |
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| 14:59.22 | naitram | adrakoa: ok will do, thanks |
| 14:59.34 | adrakoa | naitram: nothing. |
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| 15:00.00 | adrakoa | xfree86 has a licence problem.. |
| 15:00.10 | maddash | pisti: thanks |
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| 15:01.27 | NetGangsta | I just got a VPS with like 10ips and why all my services ex : ftp , ssh , apache run on all IPS? |
| 15:01.30 | NetGangsta | I can connect to ssh with all of my IPs |
| 15:01.36 | NetGangsta | who can help me out? |
| 15:01.37 | NetGangsta | :) |
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| 15:02.14 | abrotman | that's bad ? |
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| 15:02.39 | NetGangsta | Yeah |
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| 15:03.30 | dataman | hello |
| 15:03.30 | NetGangsta | if I create a user shell account the guy can connect to his ftp - ssh with all my IPS ... |
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| 15:04.30 | dataman | i m sorry but i need to use iptables if i want to configure a gateway? |
| 15:04.53 | abrotman | NetGangsta: have it bind to an IP |
| 15:04.57 | loca|host | debian installer didnt detect my hard drives, i have SATA hard disk in a new Dell OPTIPLEX, anyone could help please ? |
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| 15:05.00 | abrotman | dataman: you don't *have* to |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | loca|host: did you try the etch netinst ? |
| 15:05.28 | loca|host | yes |
| 15:05.35 | dataman | abrotman i need to use brctrl? |
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| 15:05.45 | NetGangsta | abrotman how can have a user bind on a IP? |
| 15:06.02 | cydork | o.0 etch bugcount is 118! |
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| 15:06.44 | abrotman | you can have a service |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | dataman: not for a gateway .. easiest way is with the ipmasq package |
| 15:07.02 | abrotman | !bridge |
| 15:07.02 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol. |
| 15:07.47 | dataman | lol ok |
| 15:07.57 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.47 | dataman | but i really to do this whitout package |
| 15:08.50 | Edward_TLS | nice.. the 2.5 milion files are in 250K directory's |
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| 15:09.31 | NetGangsta | is it in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:09.42 | maddash | cydork: where'd you get that? |
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| 15:10.29 | proog | hello, i have been using sarge for a while and i would like to update to something newer. what would you suggest upgrading to - sid or etch? |
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| 15:11.08 | dataman | it s really hard |
| 15:11.20 | maddash | neither. choose buzz. lightyear, I mean. |
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| 15:11.51 | fireba11 | proog: i'd suggest waiting a while longer untill etch is stable, then upgrade |
| 15:11.55 | dataman | internet <---------- ra0 UBUNTU eth0---------> <-----------xl0 OpenBSD |
| 15:12.14 | dataman | internet <------ra0 UBUNTU eth0-------><------xl0 OpenBSD |
| 15:12.19 | abrotman | maybe you hsould ask #ubuntu or #openbsd ? |
| 15:12.30 | dataman | ok |
| 15:12.41 | proog | fireba11: but how long woul i have to wait then? |
| 15:12.47 | dataman | i will try ^^ |
| 15:12.47 | proog | *would |
| 15:14.35 | fireba11 | proog: my personal estimate would be a few weeks |
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| 15:15.02 | thnee | how come df -h says "/dev/sda1 294G 193M 279G 1% /mountpoint" i dont see how 294 - 0,193 could equal 279? also, the parition is supposed to be 298 GiB in GParted.. the disk is labeled 320GB, so 298 seems right .. but what is df talking about? |
| 15:15.03 | NetGangsta | is it in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:16.11 | proog | fireba11: but what would be preferable for upgrading _now_? |
| 15:16.12 | Gathond | thnee: some filesystem (ext2+3 for one) reserves some space for the root user, df does not show the reserved space as available |
| 15:16.29 | liable | proog: etch |
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| 15:16.34 | Gathond | thnee: default is to reserve 5% iirc |
| 15:16.56 | thnee | oh i see |
| 15:17.15 | dataman | and do you know where i can find a list for wireless card on debian? |
| 15:17.25 | thnee | Gathond: but still, how can 294 - 0,193 become 279? |
| 15:17.33 | proog | liable: ok, so to upgrade, i should change instances of "sarge" to "etch" in /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 15:17.46 | liable | proog: yes |
| 15:17.49 | proog | ok |
| 15:17.52 | proog | thanks |
| 15:17.54 | dataman | who use here a NET INSTALL ? |
| 15:17.59 | liable | !tell proog about sarge > etch |
| 15:18.03 | dataman | NET INSTALL is harD? |
| 15:18.05 | fireba11 | proog : then do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and wait for the magic to happen :-) |
| 15:18.08 | Gathond | thnee: it is not, but the total space is INCLUDING reserved space |
| 15:18.17 | fireba11 | dataman: not really |
| 15:18.23 | liable | proog: go to debian.org and read the etch release notes before you do it |
| 15:18.28 | proog | ok |
| 15:18.30 | Gathond | so even if the usage is 0 bytes the size will not all be available on ext2/3 filesystems |
| 15:18.31 | thnee | Gathond: ah ok, thanks |
| 15:18.42 | dataman | ok ^ |
| 15:18.44 | Gathond | thnee: unless you use tune2fs to change the reserved ammount |
| 15:19.11 | Gathond | but iirc the performance suffers if the filesystem gets filled completely |
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| 15:20.12 | NetGangsta | fireba11 bro u know where to configure that% |
| 15:20.14 | NetGangsta | ? |
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| 15:21.23 | fireba11 | NetGangsta: depends on the application |
| 15:22.50 | proog | liable: is http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ the release notes? |
| 15:22.57 | NetGangsta | for client I use VSFTPD and OPENSSH |
| 15:23.11 | liable | proog: yeah, that would be them |
| 15:23.41 | proog | liable: but the page is so extremely long... im supposed to read it all? |
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| 15:24.22 | JordiGH | Ack, # of RC bugs is *increasing*. :-( |
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| 15:24.52 | fireba11 | JordiGH: i noticed a while ago too .. :-( |
| 15:24.55 | hark | I'm helping by filing more reports ;) |
| 15:25.15 | liable | proog: please yourself, its a guide for things you may have trouble with |
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| 15:25.44 | JordiGH | [citation needed] |
| 15:25.53 | fireba11 | haha |
| 15:25.56 | hark | proog: but read the upgrading section atleast. |
| 15:26.05 | proog | ok |
| 15:26.52 | fireba11 | NetGangsta: then read up in the manuals of those... ^^ limiting the intrfaces to listen to is a basic configurationoption shouldn't be hard to find |
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| 15:33.00 | JordiGH | Hm, celestia's RC bug should be easy to fix... |
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| 15:33.36 | adrakoa | JordiGH: just do it |
| 15:34.17 | JordiGH | adrakoa, I might. It's not about coding. It's about lobbying NASA to tell us what we can do with their data. |
| 15:34.37 | JordiGH | Also, wtf is ftbfs? |
| 15:34.40 | JordiGH | !ftbfs |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | ftbfs is, like, "fails to build from source" |
| 15:34.42 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 15:35.51 | NetGangsta | got a way for use a specified IP to run VSFTPD? |
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| 15:36.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: failure to build IIRC |
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| 15:36.22 | abrotman | Failure to Build from Source |
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| 15:37.53 | naitram | adrakoa: the scripts for substituting didn't work i have lines like ftp:deb... stable main, should i just change to stable etch? |
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| 15:38.31 | JordiGH | abrotman, you didn't notice me asking dpkg about ftbfs? :-) |
| 15:38.51 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't see his response :) |
| 15:38.52 | JordiGH | etch isn't stable.. and it's seemingly more and more unstable. :-( |
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| 15:40.01 | JordiGH | Well, it's probably not more unstable; it's just that we're noticing more its instability. |
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| 15:40.42 | abrotman | more testers perhaps ? |
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| 15:43.07 | nitro4ce | it is not that unestable |
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| 15:43.50 | loca|host | abrotman, ok so now i checked with latest downloaded debain installer from this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:43.54 | JordiGH | unestable... hehehe... Spanish speaker! |
| 15:44.02 | loca|host | abrotman, it doesnt detect my sata drives :( |
| 15:44.10 | abrotman | loca|host: ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 15:44.14 | JordiGH | .ar |
| 15:44.35 | loca|host | abrotman, OFTC ? |
| 15:44.37 | nitro4ce | jordiGH :) |
| 15:45.01 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:45.11 | loca|host | k |
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| 15:48.14 | JordiGH | Hm. #401864 is a bug that seemingly isn't meant to be fixed. I guess this means that my original impression that the number of RC bugs must hit zero before release is wrong. |
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| 15:48.43 | JordiGH | #401864 is about grub2. Its purpose is to make sure that grub 2 doesn't make it into etch |
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| 15:52.06 | fireba11 | why that ? |
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| 15:52.40 | JordiGH | Why is what? I made a number of statements. :-) |
| 15:52.49 | stew | does etch's udev still only require 2.6.15? anyone know definitively? |
| 15:52.54 | fireba11 | why grub2 shouldn't make it into etch |
| 15:53.14 | stew | actually the README says 2.6.15, nevermind |
| 15:53.21 | JordiGH | fireba11, grub maintainers have been asking for help for a long time. Grub needs a lot of work. Grub 2 probably moreso. |
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| 15:54.07 | stew | fireba11: did you read the bug on grub2? |
| 15:55.02 | fireba11 | stew : nope |
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| 15:55.27 | JordiGH | http://bugs.debian.org/401864 |
| 15:55.30 | fireba11 | hm .. only issue i ever had with grub was it's not boting of xfs volumes ^^ |
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| 15:56.04 | JordiGH | I've had other issues. Sometimes the grub installer messes up my menu.lst |
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| 15:57.14 | fireba11 | hm .. sad .. grub is really important :-D |
| 15:57.29 | JordiGH | It is! |
| 15:57.37 | JordiGH | Especially since Lilo is out! |
| 15:57.41 | fireba11 | also, on an totally unrelated note i hate lilo :-D |
| 15:57.42 | robin_sz | it doesnt boot without it :) |
| 15:57.52 | stew | JordiGH: out? |
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| 15:58.06 | JordiGH | stew: Out of use... |
| 15:58.11 | DogWater | Does anyone know if the debian installer supports kickstarting like ubuntu does? |
| 15:58.11 | JordiGH | stew: falling into disuse. |
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| 15:58.24 | JordiGH | What's kickstarting? |
| 15:58.24 | fireba11 | DogWater: what si "kickstarting" for you ? |
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| 15:58.36 | DogWater | the redhat kickstart proceedure for building systems? |
| 15:58.42 | JordiGH | ? |
| 15:58.43 | robin_sz | JordiGH, somehting to do with motorbikes? |
| 15:58.57 | stew | DogWater: what is the redhat kickstart procedure? |
| 15:59.01 | Ronin | DogWater: still doesnt tell us what it is :) |
| 15:59.20 | DogWater | it allows you to install a system completely unattended whilst booting via pxe and using http to fetch the distribution |
| 15:59.21 | robin_sz | JordiGH, careful, still a bit cold .. dont want to seize it! |
| 15:59.41 | Ronin | a bit cold? brrr now thats an understatement |
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| 15:59.50 | valdyn | DogWater: debian and ubuntu use the same installer iirc |
| 15:59.56 | robin_sz | +4 here |
| 15:59.59 | JordiGH | Unattended? Oh, no. You need to pay attention to it. |
| 16:00.01 | fireba11 | DogWater: ah .. not really ahrd to do anyway |
| 16:00.08 | valdyn | !fai |
| 16:00.09 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 16:00.16 | fireba11 | okay, cu guys .. happy weekend :-D |
| 16:00.31 | valdyn | DogWater: one implementation ^^^, you didn't really tell us much about what ubuntu uses |
| 16:00.58 | JordiGH | I believe Debian can encrypt partitions from the installlation which Ubuntu can't do yet. :-) |
| 16:01.16 | DogWater | ubuntu, redhat, centos, whitebox, fedora all use this http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/ch-kickstart2.html was just wondering if debian did it also |
| 16:01.19 | nitro4ce | while compiling a window decoration i get: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 16:01.21 | JordiGH | (not that I think we're competing with Ubuntu, but it makes me feel like a smug Debian user anyways....) |
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| 16:01.50 | stew | DogWater: /msg dpkg fai |
| 16:01.52 | valdyn | DogWater: kickstart is not in debian |
| 16:02.06 | cydork | DogWater: there is also preseed |
| 16:02.24 | JordiGH | nitro4ce, sounds like you need to aptitude get some dev packages. Do you have an error message about the specific file you're missing? |
| 16:02.40 | valdyn | nitro4ce: apt-get install x-dev, probably |
| 16:02.48 | robin_sz | I always think of debian and ubuntu a bit like XP pro and XP home |
| 16:02.51 | nitro4ce | ok |
| 16:02.59 | nitro4ce | jordi: nope |
| 16:03.16 | DogWater | K, it looks like fai only runs on debian and we're using a redhat box to do our pxe installs |
| 16:03.22 | DogWater | i'll look for other options |
| 16:03.23 | JordiGH | robin_sz, I must be the only person left who has never really used Windows XP and has no idea what your analogy means. |
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| 16:04.09 | robin_sz | JordiGH, I would encourage you to try XP for many reasons |
| 16:04.18 | JordiGH | robin_sz, I hope you're kidding. |
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| 16:04.40 | Ronin | JordiGH: i have 50 new machines here if you want to play? ill even teach you how to ghost etc. |
| 16:04.55 | robin_sz | JordiGH, not in the slightest |
| 16:05.38 | JordiGH | robin_sz, you're really trying to convince a Debianista to use a non-free OS? Come now. Be reasonable, |
| 16:05.41 | valdyn | why should a unix person try xp ever? to play games? |
| 16:06.06 | JordiGH | I play my games on Debian. Wesnoth and Nexuiz. |
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| 16:06.38 | robin_sz | JordiGH, before I set out to build someting, anyting, I always look at whatr has gone before and see the strong and weak points of what else is out there. |
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| 16:07.25 | robin_sz | JordiGH, when Mr Mercedes designs a new car, what do you think he does first? buys, tests and disassembles every competitor |
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| 16:07.38 | JordiGH | How can you see the strong or weak points of software whose source you can't see? |
| 16:07.53 | robin_sz | by using it? |
| 16:08.13 | robin_sz | "ooh, thats a useful feature, we wouldnt quite want that , but it gives me an idea for X" |
| 16:08.28 | JordiGH | Then you get aesthetics of it. Glitzy things. Glam. And KDE. |
| 16:08.40 | robin_sz | depends what you look at |
| 16:08.48 | robin_sz | ease of use functions for example |
| 16:09.35 | JordiGH | And we'd probably get sued by M$ for "copyright infringement" if one of our features remotely resembles theirs, even if we came up with it first. :-) |
| 16:09.42 | robin_sz | shrug |
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| 16:10.13 | robin_sz | whatever, developing in a hole is rarely a good plan |
| 16:11.33 | JordiGH | Meh, I'm not in a hole. It's impossible to actually know what the XP Luna theme looks like. I just want to keep a safe distance, that is all. My current hardware can't even run Microsoft's products anyways, but it runs Debian and KDE (despite my complaints) just fine. |
| 16:11.49 | JordiGH | Er, "its impossible to NOT know what the Luna theme looks like" |
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| 16:12.07 | robin_sz | themes scemes |
| 16:12.51 | robin_sz | whenever I design something, I always look at what else is around, thats what good designers do. |
| 16:13.04 | JordiGH | The only thing that Microsoft does right now that gives me software envy is that it can run hardware we can't run because we don't have the support of manufacturers like they do. Beyond that... |
| 16:13.09 | robin_sz | in traditional desing , you always have a scrpabook |
| 16:13.25 | robin_sz | JordiGH, sorry, but you arent in a position to say that |
| 16:13.26 | JordiGH | robin_sz, there's also a difference between knowing what's out there and actually using it to get work done. |
| 16:13.33 | robin_sz | oh indeed. |
| 16:13.44 | robin_sz | I wasnt suggesting you used it to get things done |
| 16:14.03 | JordiGH | I read slashdot to know what's out there. :-) |
| 16:14.13 | stephans | does anyone know what the heck this means: |
| 16:14.15 | robin_sz | but you should at least have used it ... especially for desktop development ideas |
| 16:14.16 | stephans | /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:37:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined |
| 16:14.16 | stephans | /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:43:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined |
| 16:14.16 | stephans | In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.h:20, |
| 16:14.16 | stephans | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.16 | stephans | /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:60: error: conflicting types for ‘poll_initwait’ |
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| 16:14.32 | robin_sz | stephans: it means you just got kicked :) |
| 16:14.53 | rgsteele | Hey guys...is there a way to foreground an existing process, if I know it's PID and terminal? |
| 16:15.05 | rgsteele | I didn't screen it ahead of time, because I didn't expect my session to drop |
| 16:15.14 | valdyn | rgsteele: nope |
| 16:15.20 | JordiGH | Any development I work on isn't desktop use. It's mostly mathematical software. All I personally care about is algorithms. And if you give me software without giving me algorithms, you might as well have given me nothing at all. |
| 16:15.20 | robin_sz | JordiGH, there are somethings that are done MUCH better on Windows that Gnome has yet to catch up with |
| 16:15.24 | rgsteele | D'oh. |
| 16:15.59 | robin_sz | CVS integration for example ... with Tortoise CVS its MUCH better on Windows |
| 16:16.03 | valdyn | robin_sz: i dont see where windows is a reference for anything. osx maybe, next maybe, few others, but windows? |
| 16:16.09 | JordiGH | valdyn, huh? Isn't %[job-number] used for foregrounding? |
| 16:16.14 | valdyn | robin_sz: well, except market penetration ;) |
| 16:16.28 | robin_sz | valdyn, tried Tortoise CVS on Windows as a CVS tool? |
| 16:16.35 | valdyn | robin_sz: nope |
| 16:16.45 | JordiGH | robin_sz, tried svn? |
| 16:16.57 | valdyn | robin_sz: i wasnt actually talking about 3rd party apps, just windows |
| 16:17.02 | robin_sz | JordiGH, yes, tortoise SVN under windows rocks |
| 16:17.14 | rgsteele | valdyn: Hm, how about a way to monitor child process forked off of a parent process (if I know the PPID)? |
| 16:17.24 | rgsteele | s/process/processes/ |
| 16:17.56 | robin_sz | valdyn, well sure, but thats just an example.. and you cant experience that without using Windows |
| 16:18.06 | DogWater | one other question, does anyone know when a version of debian which support the 965 or s5000 server chipset will be released (i.e. kernel 2.6.18) |
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| 16:18.23 | annma | hi all, would you know if there's a debian-edu channel? |
| 16:18.30 | annma | or skolelinux? |
| 16:18.57 | valdyn | rgsteele: it doesnt matter if a process is a child, as every process is a child |
| 16:19.30 | valdyn | rgsteele: /proc/<pid> shows some things, not sure what you can do with that precisely |
| 16:19.38 | valdyn | rgsteele: stdout and stdin are there.. |
| 16:19.46 | dkr | rgsteele: strace -p pid |
| 16:19.58 | rgsteele | dkr: strace is a little verbose though |
| 16:20.02 | streuner | annma: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ |
| 16:20.13 | rgsteele | dkr: I was hoping for just an indicator of what processes get forked off of the parent |
| 16:20.18 | dkr | rgsteele: that's adjustable, :) strace -ewrite -p pid |
| 16:20.28 | annma | streuner: yes but I cannot find real info about what the distro is |
| 16:20.35 | rgsteele | dkr: Hehe, yeah, I believe you're right :) |
| 16:20.37 | dkr | rgsteele: strace can follow forks too |
| 16:20.43 | dkr | -f I think |
| 16:20.51 | annma | streuner: what debian version, what software shipped, screenshots |
| 16:20.53 | rgsteele | dkr: I'll have to check out the man page. Thanks for the input! |
| 16:21.17 | streuner | annma: Do you know 'google'? |
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| 16:21.47 | annma | streuner: I am subscribed to debian edu devel list as well |
| 16:22.02 | annma | but I wanted some quick info |
| 16:22.07 | annma | for a talk |
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| 16:22.27 | rgsteele | dkr: I think -e trace=process will do the trick |
| 16:22.31 | rgsteele | dkr: Thanks again. |
| 16:22.40 | annma | I could not find any easy info |
| 16:22.54 | streuner | !skolelinux |
| 16:22.54 | dpkg | http://www.skolelinux.no/ | A derivative of debian for Norwegian schools. | Not supported here. | Ask me about <based on debian> |
| 16:22.56 | annma | for conveyiing to 'normal' people |
| 16:23.01 | rgsteele | dkr++ |
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| 16:23.32 | annma | and not in Norvegian |
| 16:23.35 | streuner | annma: How about to read 'fine' URL we gave you before? |
| 16:23.45 | streuner | annma: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ |
| 16:23.46 | annma | how about I read it? |
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| 16:24.02 | valdyn | !read |
| 16:24.02 | dpkg | read is probably what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 16:24.11 | annma | wow guys |
| 16:24.22 | annma | how nice of you |
| 16:24.35 | annma | thanks a lot |
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| 16:24.41 | valdyn | !sarcasm |
| 16:24.42 | dpkg | sarcasm is probably when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
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| 16:25.09 | Ronin | we were supposed to hold thier hand or something? |
| 16:25.19 | silvertip257 | hi I've recently messed up my MBR & probably partition tables on my hard drive - I NEED some linux recovery software |
| 16:25.20 | streuner | nah, trolls... |
| 16:26.07 | valdyn | Ronin: probably to write his homework for him |
| 16:26.33 | silvertip257 | #join gentoo |
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| 16:26.51 | Ronin | no thanks |
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| 16:26.59 | valdyn | silvertip257: probably testdisk can help you |
| 16:28.20 | silvertip257 | umm\ |
| 16:28.20 | silvertip257 | i tried it |
| 16:28.21 | silvertip257 | but |
| 16:28.22 | silvertip257 | it only gives me three options valdyn - A, L, ENTER |
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| 16:28.24 | valdyn | silvertip257: pardon, i dont have testdisk's menu structure memorised, see the wiki |
| 16:28.30 | silvertip257 | ok no prob valdyn |
| 16:28.33 | silvertip257 | thanks |
| 16:28.35 | Anndy | need help for setting up GPRS to connect with nokia 5500 |
| 16:29.04 | tralala | Anndy, try ##linux |
| 16:29.11 | Anndy | okai |
| 16:29.13 | Anndy | thankz |
| 16:29.25 | tralala | welcomez |
| 16:29.45 | pigrOff | re |
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| 16:37.18 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 16:37.18 | JordiGH | !greet |
| 16:37.21 | JordiGH | !greet faber3 |
| 16:37.21 | dpkg | Moo, faber3 |
| 16:37.24 | faber3 | whats a good channel for help on regexp? |
| 16:37.30 | JordiGH | #perl ? |
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| 16:43.33 | badbugs | Hello |
| 16:43.49 | dimir | hoi badbugs |
| 16:43.51 | JordiGH | j0 |
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| 16:47.23 | bonez39 | dpkg cups |
| 16:47.23 | dpkg | cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 16:47.45 | bonez39 | dpkg cups setup |
| 16:47.45 | dpkg | it has been said that cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
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| 16:48.36 | Mooi | Hello |
| 16:48.40 | JordiGH | !tell bonez39 about msg the bot |
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| 16:49.30 | Mooi | How would I get Motorola V3 to work with my PC? I want to transfer some files; Tries kmobile tools but have no idea what device I should put there.. any indication for that? |
| 16:49.34 | bonez39 | JordiGH, thanks for the reminder |
| 16:50.15 | thelostbutler | hello folks how does one renew a self signed ceritificate (apache2) for extended period of time or does one have to generate a new cert |
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| 16:50.32 | Mooi | nvbm...works now =] |
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| 16:50.59 | Orfeous | is squid the only http caching proxy server thats are available for debian? |
| 16:51.00 | abrotman | thelostbutler: i believe you have to generate a new one now .. if it has expired .. i think there's a #openssl |
| 16:51.09 | thelostbutler | abortman: thanks |
| 16:51.16 | abrotman | erm .. nope . no channel |
| 16:51.30 | thelostbutler | err no channel |
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| 16:54.04 | nyk2005 | How do I make phppgadmin work? I always get permission denied and have no idea why. I restarted apache2 after install and the config exists. |
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| 16:54.36 | j4zz | hi |
| 16:55.24 | mfrisch | nyk2005: what user does apache have to be to run it, I don't know what it does |
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| 16:56.07 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: www-data? |
| 16:56.26 | mfrisch | nyk2005: what does this prog do? |
| 16:56.37 | rgsteele | Hm, this does what I think, right? (What I think being redirecting stdout/stderr to output, and stdin to /dev/zero, and backgrounding the process?): somscript.sh > output 2&>1 < /dev/zero & |
| 16:56.40 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: like phpmyadmin but for postgresql |
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| 16:57.03 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: you know for admin of mysql dbs.... and phpmyadmin works... and I see no difference! |
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| 16:57.44 | mfrisch | nyk2005: I always used mysql maybe apache has to be owned by postgress |
| 16:58.26 | mfrisch | nyk2005: there are many gui progs for making tables |
| 16:58.52 | stew | nyk2005: where do you see the permission denied error? |
| 16:59.07 | tyler_ | how do i make root able to use xpdf? |
| 16:59.18 | stew | tyler_: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 17:00.22 | stew | tyler_: however, why you would want to run xpdf as root is a bit mysterious |
| 17:00.23 | Gathond | nyk2005: you might have to enable login to postgres using MD5 passwords |
| 17:00.24 | Gathond | nyk2005: iirc the default in debian is to map DB logins trough the current UID |
| 17:00.51 | Gathond | so postgres does not use passwords, it just attempts to authenticate using the UID (here www-data) |
| 17:00.58 | tyler_ | stew, well... i can then move the file i want to an external disk |
| 17:01.00 | tyler_ | kapish? |
| 17:01.35 | nyk2005 | stew: when I browse to host/phppgadmin/ |
| 17:01.47 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: maybe a group issue.. hmmm... |
| 17:01.54 | Gathond | /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/pg_hba.conf this file controls those logins anyway |
| 17:02.26 | nyk2005 | Gathond: but it's not a db error, it's an apache error message |
| 17:02.39 | Gathond | nyk2005: ok |
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| 17:02.55 | stew | nyk2005: like apache is returning a 401? |
| 17:03.39 | stew | nyk2005: then its got nothing to do with filesystem permissions, sounds like you need a <Directory /path/to/pgadmin> entry allowing access |
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| 17:03.57 | stew | nyk2005: if you haven't yet read /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian, you should |
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| 17:04.03 | tyler_ | how can i use xpdf as root? |
| 17:04.16 | stew | dpkg: tell tyler_ about run stuff as root |
| 17:04.22 | Mooi | How would I go about copying the phonebook data from Motorola V3 to Motorola V3i? I have kmobiletools. |
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| 17:04.48 | tyler_ | stew, i ran mc -s as root.. |
| 17:04.55 | tyler_ | cannot use xpdf on file |
| 17:05.16 | mfrisch | tyler_: did you use su use sux |
| 17:05.22 | nyk2005 | stew: yes |
| 17:05.45 | nyk2005 | stew: 403, Forbidden |
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| 17:07.00 | nyk2005 | stew: the readme states that it should just work... |
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| 17:07.29 | tyler_ | ash: sux: command not foundash: sux: command not found |
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| 17:07.37 | nyk2005 | stew: and access IS granted from /etc/apache2/conf.d/phppgadmin |
| 17:07.40 | mfrisch | nyk2005: goto there main page and read the install docs |
| 17:07.56 | mfrisch | their |
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| 17:08.38 | Carbon_Monoxide | hi |
| 17:08.58 | Carbon_Monoxide | I would like to ask, if user "nobody" a default user in Debian? |
| 17:09.27 | mfrisch | Carbon_Monoxide: its a user noone is default |
| 17:09.40 | stew | Carbon_Monoxide: the nobody user will exist in any default debian installation, if that is what you are asking |
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| 17:10.42 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: but I have read the readme.debian and it doesn't mention the problem of getting a 403 error. and the homepage wont eighter... because it SHOULD work, at least not a 403 error but a php error when some db setting would be incorrect. |
| 17:11.19 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: I set it up on gentoo without any probs |
| 17:11.35 | stew | nyk2005: did you check the apache error log to see if there were any more clues there? |
| 17:12.01 | nyk2005 | stew: just lient denied by server configuration: /usr/share/phppgadmin/ |
| 17:12.08 | nyk2005 | it means Client |
| 17:12.13 | mfrisch | nyk2005: do a dpkg -L on the package and see who owns them |
| 17:12.28 | stew | it has nothign to do with file permissions |
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| 17:12.36 | stew | it has to do with server configuration |
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| 17:13.32 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: because I found user 'nobody' executed su in my box |
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| 17:14.04 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: root |
| 17:14.13 | krang | Quick question: When I pick an apt source during the netinstall, how do I stop it downloading and pick another one if it turns out to be painfully slow? |
| 17:14.22 | nyk2005 | mfrisch: tried changing them from 644 to 755 |
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| 17:15.23 | mfrisch | nyk2005: no no no. |
| 17:15.48 | stew | Carbon_Monoxide: no, you found that root executed su to become nobody |
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| 17:17.34 | Carbon_Monoxide | Jan 24 06:25:01 localhost su[1343]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 17:17.42 | Carbon_Monoxide | Jan 24 06:25:02 localhost su[1343]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 17:17.45 | stew | Carbon_Monoxide: yes, root is becoming nobody |
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| 17:18.14 | stew | Carbon_Monoxide: (this is normal, root is saying, "i don't need all my privileges right now, i'll become nobody to do this task because that is safer" |
| 17:18.14 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: I see. it might be related to cron |
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| 17:18.29 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: got it! |
| 17:18.33 | mfrisch | Carbon_Monoxide: like cron ran something as nobod |
| 17:18.37 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: gentleman |
| 17:19.34 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: is that Debians style? or most Linux builds are doing like this? |
| 17:19.59 | stew | Carbon_Monoxide: this is common to unix |
| 17:20.04 | mfrisch | Carbon_Monoxide: you want root running strange stuff |
| 17:21.10 | Carbon_Monoxide | stew: thanks! I'll move on to study more about Unix |
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| 17:28.44 | poetad | alguem ai do brasil? |
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| 17:29.54 | teago | eu! |
| 17:30.07 | teago | e mais um monte! :D |
| 17:30.08 | stew | !br |
| 17:30.08 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:30.19 | teago | hihihi... |
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| 17:32.33 | poetad | a é? |
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| 17:33.48 | spyroboy | #clueirc @ irc.cluenet.org |
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| 17:35.00 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.31 | malebria | What's the best option for data treatment in free software, i.e. a replacement of origin? |
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| 17:37.33 | cydork | what is origin? what do you mean by data treatment? |
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| 17:38.24 | dkr | numericla analysis type stuff, I guess. I'd use perl and the CPAN modules available for manipulating data sets |
| 17:38.51 | malebria | cydork: Things like linear regression. |
| 17:38.56 | stew | spyroboy: spamming here will not be tolerated |
| 17:39.12 | spyroboy | stew, oh |
| 17:39.13 | spyroboy | er. |
| 17:39.16 | spyroboy | sorry |
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| 17:39.43 | spyroboy | I'll be sure to control myself the next time. |
| 17:39.48 | malebria | dkr: That's ok, but I'm looking for a GUI. |
| 17:39.49 | jumpship | WOW - Debian package management rules! i just installed all this GIS software that was a complete nightmare on FC5. |
| 17:40.00 | cydork | malebria: oh origin is that plotting thing. i used to use gnuplot for that kind of stuff . |
| 17:40.44 | malebria | cydork: But it doesn't automate things, like linear regression. |
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| 17:41.28 | malebria | I want something like labplot, but better. |
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| 17:45.35 | jeward | Is it possible to apt-get install open office 2? |
| 17:45.48 | stew | jeward: which version of debian are you running? |
| 17:46.05 | jeward | stew: Sagre. |
| 17:46.12 | jeward | stew: sarge |
| 17:46.14 | stew | jeward: backports.org has it: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:46.46 | jeward | Thanks. |
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| 17:49.30 | krang | Quick question: When I pick an apt source during the netinstall, how do I stop it downloading and pick another one if it turns out to be painfully slow? |
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| 17:49.43 | stew | krang: run apt-setup |
| 17:50.00 | krang | stew: tahnks |
| 17:50.04 | krang | *thanks |
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| 17:50.48 | krang | stew: er, wait a sec, how do I stop the installer downloading and go back to the previous screen though? |
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| 17:51.31 | ezguy | hi, booting up memtest via grub came to a stop at the blinking cursor with nothing on the screen, any ideas? |
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| 17:51.41 | stew | krang: oh, i misunderstood, didn't realize you were in the middle of installing |
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| 17:53.52 | OsIrIs|On | where can me help in awstats? |
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| 17:55.02 | Zap-W | anyone know a tool that makes ext3 fs from winxp |
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| 18:02.20 | I2omani | hi everyone |
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| 18:02.56 | sbk | Have a programming question, maybe. I'm trying to read /dev/dsp, while i have a mike attached. I can hear the sounds in the mike, in my headphones. However, /dev/dsp stubbornly refuses to give much beyond 7f/80 (its default zero-level values) |
| 18:03.03 | sbk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5184 |
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| 18:04.36 | krang | stew: never mind, it doesn't take too long and that command you gave me helps :-) |
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| 18:09.25 | krang | When you aptitude search for a package, is there any way to display which repo in your sources.list it will download from? |
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| 18:09.39 | stew | krang: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 18:09.54 | krang | stew: thanks again :-) |
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| 18:11.25 | krang | so if I'm looking for a specific package and it isn't in the standard repos, how do I go about finding the right one? |
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| 18:11.43 | krang | I'm specifically looking for zabbix |
| 18:12.34 | stew | apt-cache search zabbix |
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| 18:13.02 | stew | oh, its only in testing |
| 18:13.09 | stew | krang: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:13.22 | krang | stew okely doke |
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| 18:22.30 | Kitu | EdwardElric# thank you, merci, gracias, bravo, houraaaa |
| 18:22.41 | Kitu | yeahhhhhhh ! |
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| 18:25.08 | JohnQ_ | hm |
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| 18:25.31 | lritter | please have a look at #flood |
| 18:25.41 | lritter | can somebody point out what is wrong? |
| 18:25.59 | abrotman | you hvae to tell us to go there *before* you paste |
| 18:26.07 | lritter | shall i do it again? :) |
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| 18:26.32 | JohnQ | Setting up iptables to masq. 2 Nics in the box... I was able to do it before, because my external nic had a static IP address... but I have moved, and now my external nic is DHCP. The iptables lines I had before all had my external nic's IP hard coded... so.. what's the 'right' way to do it with a dynamic IP? |
| 18:26.59 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:26.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 18:27.02 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:27.03 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 18:27.36 | lritter | abrot, i read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents |
| 18:28.12 | lritter | but it doesn't seem to say anything about .files and .dirs |
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| 18:30.04 | abrotman | try asking #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 18:31.56 | user_ | easy way to add them to runlevels? |
| 18:32.25 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 18:33.05 | lritter | abrotman: thank you |
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| 18:33.53 | mrwill | geez, I just symlinked them into runlevels in imitation of the ones already there, and now there's a utility to do that for you? |
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| 18:40.41 | I2omani | i have 2 boxs,Box(1)etch..with 2NIC's & 1 wireless card. Box(2)windowsXP. box1&2 get thier internet connection from a Wwireless Linksys router. I want to reconfig my setup and connect Box(1) to the internet thru wired connection, and make it as a DHCP,file server,firewall Box. and route the connection to Box(2) wirelessly thru configuring the Wireless router with Box(1). can you guys guide me on what i will need to do, or wht i need to read on? and |
| 18:42.17 | PumpkinPie | none of that makes sense |
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| 18:42.44 | I2omani | PumpkinPie: why? |
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| 18:43.42 | christopherl | someone here using partimage? |
| 18:43.55 | christopherl | trouble connecting to server |
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| 18:47.34 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i make ssh go in the background after password has been entered this is for port fowarding i am trying -f but it says command missing |
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| 18:53.20 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the advantage of sfdisk over dd-ing the mbr for creating partitions? |
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| 18:53.39 | Flimzy_ | dd'ing the mbr won't create partitions |
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| 18:53.50 | Flimzy_ | So I suppose the main advantage would be that sfdisk would work |
| 18:53.53 | Flimzy_ | whereas dd would not |
| 18:54.01 | stew | netman1: neither is advantageous over the other in that they do different things |
| 18:54.06 | netman1 | Flimzy_: isn't the partion table stored in the mbr? |
| 18:54.12 | stew | netman1: no |
| 18:54.13 | Flimzy_ | netman1: No. |
| 18:54.16 | Flimzy_ | It's stored in the partition table. |
| 18:54.19 | Flimzy_ | The MBR is stored on the MBR |
| 18:54.28 | Flimzy_ | (odd how that works) |
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| 18:54.58 | Flimzy_ | The master boot record tells how to boot |
| 18:55.07 | Flimzy_ | Whereas the partition table defines partitions. |
| 18:55.11 | Flimzy_ | You can have a partition table and no MBR |
| 18:55.16 | netman1 | Ok, thanks. Must have remembered wrong. Back to Google I suppose ;-) |
| 18:55.17 | Flimzy_ | or an MBR and no partition table. |
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| 18:56.34 | christopherl | how can I see all my port's my system uses? |
| 18:56.54 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: seq 1 65535 |
| 18:56.58 | amphi | christopherl: netstat -plunt perhaps |
| 18:57.02 | christopherl | thanks |
| 18:57.18 | stew | christopherl: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:57.49 | loca|host | wich command does list wich application does open wich port |
| 18:57.59 | stew | loca|host: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 19:00.15 | jatt | how can I obtain the list of installed packages sorted by Installed-Size? I want to see if I can delete the biggest packages to have more disk space available. |
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| 19:01.48 | I2omani | any suggestion guys for my concern please? |
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| 19:04.25 | stew | jatt: man grep-dctrl, that is one of the given examples |
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| 19:07.50 | christopherl | someone here using runbox.com mail? |
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| 19:09.59 | christopherl | someone ever heard about: Connexion refused by server versions mismatch? |
| 19:10.20 | stew | christopherl: when do you see that error? |
| 19:10.32 | christopherl | I got that when trying to connect a ftp server on port 21 |
| 19:11.32 | christopherl | using partimage |
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| 19:13.38 | earthian | help me! |
| 19:13.39 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# skype |
| 19:13.39 | earthian | Floating point exception |
| 19:13.45 | jatt | stew: thank |
| 19:13.45 | earthian | wtf is happening? |
| 19:14.04 | earthian | it worked few minutes ago |
| 19:14.06 | stew | earthian: ask skype |
| 19:14.22 | earthian | its not skype problem |
| 19:14.30 | earthian | its something in debian libs or so |
| 19:14.49 | stew | earthian: its probably that skype wasn't compiled for your libs |
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| 19:15.07 | stew | earthian: can you reproduce it with any free software? we can't really help you with the non-free software |
| 19:15.24 | earthian | it WORKED few minutes ago |
| 19:15.40 | stew | earthian: but you changed some of your debian libs? |
| 19:16.17 | earthian | i am on my way on finishing reinstalling everything |
| 19:16.18 | earthian | :/ |
| 19:16.27 | stew | earthian: why are you reinstalling stuff? |
| 19:16.49 | earthian | moving from amd64 to x86 |
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| 19:18.18 | earthian | i read in google pages that there are more programs with the same error |
| 19:18.30 | dexemna | So I have sendmail running on one a server... is that not enough to be able to connect to it via an e-mail client like thunderbird/icedove and retrieve messages because sendmail is just for SMTP and not POP3? |
| 19:18.37 | dexemna | In other words, do I need to get an additional POP3 server in order to retrieve my e-mail via a client on another host? |
| 19:19.04 | stew | dexemna: yes, pop3 or imap4 |
| 19:19.08 | earthian | dexemna, yes |
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| 19:19.40 | stew | earthian: so are you saying skype worked, then you started changing from amd64 ro i386 and it broke? |
| 19:20.05 | dexemna | Hmm, so are there MTAs which handle both SMTP and POP3 so I don't have to run 2 separate servers? |
| 19:20.14 | earthian | no.. it worked few minutes ago.. i.e. before I restored mysql backup tables |
| 19:20.23 | earthian | i.e. it worked on i386 |
| 19:20.42 | earthian | and i do not know what i did in the meantime that caused the break... i did a lot of things :S |
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| 19:21.05 | earthian | maybe it is to do something with my qt? |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | dexemna: there are projects that make both |
| 19:21.47 | stew | dexemna: no, there are not MTAs which handle SMTP and POP3 that I know of |
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| 19:21.57 | stew | in debian at least. exchange server would be such a beast though |
| 19:22.14 | earthian | dexemna, exim handles both pop and smtp afaik |
| 19:22.36 | earthian | postfix + courier is another setup you could think of.. |
| 19:22.57 | stew | earthian: exim does not do pop |
| 19:23.19 | abrotman | courier has sub-projects that cover smtp/pop |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | and even imap |
| 19:23.29 | abrotman | but they can be installed independently |
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| 19:24.52 | dexemna | earthian: Wikipedia says that exim is only an SMTP server |
| 19:25.06 | naitram | running etch, when xwindow tries to start i get several screens with tight lines (no horizontal) then failed to load driver i915 |
| 19:25.59 | stew | naitram: is xserver-xorg-video-i810 installed? |
| 19:26.08 | naitram | stew: yeah |
| 19:26.53 | stew | naitram: wait, what did you specify for the driver? i810 or i915? |
| 19:27.51 | naitram | stew: i dont think there is an i915, i dont know where it got that. should i dpkg xserver-xorg |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | there isn't an i915 .. that's a kernel module |
| 19:29.06 | abrotman | and a DRM .so |
| 19:29.17 | naitram | abrotman: so maybe my kernal is too old, what is the command to see the kernal version? |
| 19:29.24 | stew | naitram: uname -r |
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| 19:29.55 | stew | however, having an older kernel shouldn't prevent X from starting, just possible prevent 3d accelleration |
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| 19:30.07 | stew | unless maybe you are trying to use the framebuffer |
| 19:30.25 | naitram | im running 2.6.8-2.686, that maybe sid version, i tried upgrading to sid earlier? |
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| 19:30.39 | stew | naitram: thats an out of date sarge kernel |
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| 19:30.50 | stew | naitram: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 19:31.34 | naitram | stew: 2.3.6.ds1-10 |
| 19:32.00 | abrotman | naitram: X -version .. what does it say ? |
| 19:32.08 | stew | naitram: yeah, you are running sid |
| 19:32.14 | roe | how do I create a file of 0s of known file size? |
| 19:32.18 | abrotman | dd |
| 19:32.39 | naitram | abrotman: 7.1.1 |
| 19:32.41 | stew | naitram: you should consider upgrading to 2.6.18 at some point. I dont' think it would help with this problem |
| 19:32.52 | abrotman | naitram: can you paste the X log somewhere for us ? |
| 19:33.10 | amphi | roe: dd if=/dev/zero of=blah ... |
| 19:33.11 | naitram | abrotman: yeah just a sec |
| 19:33.16 | stew | roe: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/ouput/filename bs=1M count=5" for instance would create a 5Mb file of zeros |
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| 19:33.31 | joeamined | hi |
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| 19:34.03 | joeamined | how can i manually change associated application for a mimetype in kde ? |
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| 19:34.17 | joeamined | what file do i have to modify and how ? |
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| 19:35.17 | abrotman | might want to ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 19:35.38 | robin_sz | or install Gnome ;) |
| 19:35.41 | I2omani | !iptables |
| 19:35.42 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 19:35.43 | joeamined | ok abortman |
| 19:35.52 | joeamined | robin_sz : i'm using gnome |
| 19:35.59 | joeamined | but i'm using kopete in gnome |
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| 19:36.28 | joeamined | and kopete opens html files with bluefish and not with iceweasel |
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| 19:36.44 | robin_sz | right |
| 19:37.01 | pebblestone | I need help. I installed X11 on my debian server and changed X11Forwarding to yes, but I still cannot open x11 apps. 1) the DISPLAY env isn't set when I login. 2) even I set it manually to :10.0, x11 forwarding still doesn't work. Could anyone tell me what's the problem? |
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| 19:37.24 | stew | pebblestone: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 19:37.33 | pebblestone | btw, do I need to install X11 on my server? |
| 19:37.35 | stew | pebblestone: you are likely missing xauth on one side or the other |
| 19:37.37 | yvhaarle | Hi, just installed debian/etch: now when doing "ssh localhost" ssh response port 22 connection refused, i tried to fix this using iptables but no luck. can anyone help? |
| 19:37.42 | pebblestone | stew: I see |
| 19:37.44 | stew | pebblestone: no, just xauth |
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| 19:37.54 | stew | which is in xbase-clients |
| 19:38.03 | pebblestone | stew: thanks! |
| 19:38.21 | leafw | anyone familiar with trakpad configuration, how can one do from the command line what qsynaptics does from the GUI for the synaptics driver? I did that in the past, can't recall the command |
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| 19:39.02 | robin_sz | yvhaarle, do iptables -L and pastebin the results |
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| 19:40.27 | stew | !connection refused |
| 19:40.28 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 19:40.28 | stew | yvhaarle: there would be no iptables rule unless you added it |
| 19:40.29 | pebblestone | stew: you're so helpful. thanks a lot! |
| 19:40.32 | stew | pebblestone: you're welcome |
| 19:40.36 | stew | yvhaarle: is openssh-server installed? |
| 19:40.43 | unautre | how can i change the language of the dictionnary used by xchat ? |
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| 19:40.56 | LetoAtreidesII | does anyone know which package contains mk3fs? just can't find it.... :-( |
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| 19:41.09 | avtobiff | LetoAtreidesII, apt-file |
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| 19:41.26 | avtobiff | LetoAtreidesII, or use packages.debian.org |
| 19:41.29 | stew | LetoAtreidesII: mkfs.ext3? |
| 19:41.35 | LetoAtreidesII | i checked apt-cahce.... :-( and debian.org |
| 19:41.56 | LetoAtreidesII | mkfs.ext3 ??? |
| 19:42.04 | yvhaarle | stew: there are indeed no iptable rules, i am checking for the openssh-server |
| 19:42.10 | avtobiff | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mkfs.ext3&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 19:42.16 | avtobiff | LetoAtreidesII, ^^ |
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| 19:42.26 | stew | yvhaarle: ssh woulnd't be installed by default |
| 19:42.40 | LetoAtreidesII | ah well, thaxx biff! |
| 19:42.43 | avtobiff | LetoAtreidesII, and the package is e2fsprogs |
| 19:42.50 | avtobiff | LetoAtreidesII, np |
| 19:42.55 | LetoAtreidesII | yep, got it now :-) |
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| 19:43.14 | naitram | anyone tell me how to mount fd0 for windows format disk, cant get the command right |
| 19:43.18 | LetoAtreidesII | what did the trick? |
| 19:43.25 | yvhaarle | stew: you are right it is not installed - will do this now - thx |
| 19:43.32 | LetoAtreidesII | did you look only for mkfs, or what? |
| 19:43.39 | simon23 | hello, how can i find out if 3d acceleration works for my atiX300mobility ?( i forgot which driver i installed) |
| 19:43.46 | simon23 | can someone help me? |
| 19:44.11 | rahul | simon23: you would know if you installed the driver that would enable 3d accel on that |
| 19:44.27 | rahul | because it's not in debian |
| 19:44.37 | simon23 | rahul: but isnt there an opensource driver? |
| 19:44.48 | rahul | ... which doesn't have 3d accel |
| 19:45.14 | simon23 | oh. |
| 19:45.17 | stew | simon23: glxinfo | grep render |
| 19:45.42 | simon23 | doesnt find command glxinfo |
| 19:46.15 | simon23 | its very hard to install the official driver? |
| 19:46.17 | rahul | so you don't even have the GL libraries installed, heh |
| 19:46.58 | simon23 | i just installed debian etch. once ago i tried to install stuff - but i forgot if i got it working... |
| 19:48.49 | simon23 | is it very difficult to install the ati driver? |
| 19:49.04 | simon23 | or is it just downloading and typing install? |
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| 19:49.31 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 19:49.31 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
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| 19:50.26 | simon23 | thanks a lot - will try that ! |
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| 19:50.31 | valdyn | dpkg, fglrx ~= s#stable#sarge/stable# |
| 19:50.40 | valdyn | dpkg: fglrx ~= s#stable#sarge/stable# |
| 19:50.47 | valdyn | dpkg: fglrx =~ s#stable#sarge/stable# |
| 19:50.47 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 19:52.17 | simon23 | ? |
| 19:52.28 | simon23 | valdyn: what did you mean? |
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| 19:53.41 | simon23 | how do I create a binary drm module with the module assistant? |
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| 19:54.29 | simon23 | unpacking the tar.gz file and then running module assistant inside that directory? |
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| 19:54.45 | abrotman | man m-a |
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| 19:55.16 | simon23 | okay. |
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| 20:00.21 | simon23 | hi, i installed the fglrx stuff but i cant use module-assistant because he cant find the fglrx-kernel-src |
| 20:00.33 | simon23 | but i have installed that too - i just checked that. |
| 20:00.57 | rahul | the module is called fglrx |
| 20:01.11 | stew | !info fglrx-kernel-src etch |
| 20:01.14 | dpkg | fglrx-kernel-src: (kernel module source for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
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| 20:01.25 | stew | simon23: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 20:01.37 | simon23 | yes - and i installed all of those packages. |
| 20:01.49 | simon23 | even the kernel src for fglrx |
| 20:02.08 | simon23 | but the module assistant cant find that - altough... i just installed it. |
| 20:02.45 | infernix | how can I determine whether if an nfs mount is using UDP or TCP? |
| 20:04.49 | karsten | infernix: Check your mount options. |
| 20:05.01 | karsten | infernix: ... or (possibly) nfsstat -c. |
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| 20:05.25 | naitram | abrotman: here is the link to the xserver log, sorry it took so long. http://www.pastebin.ca/329490 |
| 20:05.43 | infernix | karsten: ah, nfsstat -m. thanks |
| 20:05.48 | karsten | infernix: if your mount options state tcp, you're using TCP. If not, I forget what the fallback is. |
| 20:06.19 | sphenxes | what does it mean connection is reset by peer? I lose the connection to freenode every few hours? old days i have never lost the connection |
| 20:06.33 | loca|host | how to know from wich repository a package was downloaded and installed |
| 20:06.40 | simon23 | how can i find out where the fglrx-kernel-src paket is installed? (if i would know that - i could tell the module assistant where to find it :-) ) |
| 20:06.43 | stew | loca|host: you don't |
| 20:07.13 | loca|host | stew, ? |
| 20:07.40 | stew | loca|host: there is not a way to know from which repository a package was downloaded and installed |
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| 20:10.41 | raveneye | loca|host: maybe you could try apt-cache show packagename it should give you some clue as to where it came from. |
| 20:11.03 | stew | raveneye: no it wouldn't |
| 20:11.04 | svilendotorg | hi again ;) |
| 20:11.04 | svilendotorg | i am trying to install Etch from netinstall cd RC1 but after partitioning the hard drives (software raid1 partitions over 2 hdds) it gives me: "Debootstrap error: Failed to determine the codename for the release." |
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| 20:11.20 | svilendotorg | it's Etch RC1 netinstall cd AMD64 |
| 20:11.56 | svilendotorg | current running kernel is 2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 20:11.59 | earthian | stew, rememner i mentioned my problem with skype and "Floating point exception" ? so i have noticed that the same happens with openoffice.org and ati control panel "fireglcontrolpanel" |
| 20:12.03 | I2omani | !ssh |
| 20:12.03 | dpkg | ssh is probably Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 20:12.05 | infernix | are there other methods to enable jumbo frames other than 'ifconfig ethX mtu 9000'? my sky2 driver won't take it, and when going over the sky2.c code, it sure looks like it's supported |
| 20:12.37 | stew | earthian: what version of the openoffice.org package is installed? |
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| 20:12.48 | earthian | and i am mad now... i reinstalled everything because previously openoffice did not work too.. i need to write my diploma soon. :( |
| 20:12.59 | earthian | !info openoffice.org etch |
| 20:13.07 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 210 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 20:13.11 | earthian | that version |
| 20:13.20 | simon23 | is there a "nice" programm in the etch feed to check the working 3d acceleration? (3d shooter or something like that?) |
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| 20:13.57 | stew | earthian: how did you check which version is installed? |
| 20:14.06 | earthian | i have the latest. |
| 20:14.08 | ofer0 | simon23, glxgears ? |
| 20:14.16 | stew | earthian: how did you check that? |
| 20:14.24 | svilendotorg | can someone help me with the debootstrap error? |
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| 20:14.31 | ofer0 | svilendotorg, what's the error ? |
| 20:14.32 | simon23 | ofer0: thanks. |
| 20:14.48 | earthian | stew, dpkg -l | grep openoffice.org = ii openoffice.org 2.0.4.dfsg.2-2 OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0 |
| 20:14.49 | svilendotorg | Debootstrap error: Failed to determine the codename for the release |
| 20:14.58 | earthian | and dpkg bot here does the same. |
| 20:15.07 | earthian | as i just finished installing stuff with apt-get |
| 20:15.08 | svilendotorg | installing from Etch RC1 AMD64 netinstallcd |
| 20:15.15 | simon23 | ofer0: there is nothing like glxgears!?.... |
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| 20:15.32 | svilendotorg | simon23: apt-get install glxgeards |
| 20:15.35 | svilendotorg | :-) |
| 20:15.41 | stew | earthian: and you just somehow did an in-place switch from amd64 to i386? |
| 20:15.47 | svilendotorg | gears... |
| 20:15.53 | earthian | a cd install |
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| 20:16.05 | earthian | then i moved all my old settings from the old system |
| 20:16.06 | simon23 | svilendotorg: thanks - ofer0 forgot the "d" i guess. |
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| 20:16.16 | tiolxpe | anyone here installed truecrypt4.2 on debian etchy |
| 20:16.20 | earthian | like few configfiles from /etc and /home/myusername |
| 20:16.40 | earthian | !poll |
| 20:16.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 20:17.04 | simon23 | svilendotorg: well - no..... there is nothing like that! |
| 20:17.06 | stew | earthian: did you install nvidia drivers/ |
| 20:17.11 | stew | oh firegl |
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| 20:17.31 | earthian | yes. the latest from ati.com website... its 8.33.6-1 version |
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| 20:17.35 | earthian | all working. |
| 20:17.36 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:17.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I set up a X tunnel?? |
| 20:17.42 | simon23 | svilendotorg: oh! |
| 20:17.58 | stew | earthian: i'd guess you are experiencing #243902 |
| 20:18.00 | simon23 | svilendotorg: i thought fgl.... but it is glx... |
| 20:18.24 | earthian | stew, google tells me that there are dozen more people all aroud the world the same without a solution :( |
| 20:18.38 | Skooter | Geemark? |
| 20:18.46 | stew | earthian: they should perhaps look at that bug report then |
| 20:19.33 | stew | earthian: does "dpkg -l | grep libgl | awk '{print $2}' | xargs debsums | grep -v OK" return anything? |
| 20:20.18 | rahul | wtf |
| 20:20.24 | earthian | stew, xargs: debsums: No such file or directory |
| 20:20.27 | rahul | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.9/misc/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format |
| 20:20.39 | stew | rahul: compiled with the wrong gcc ? |
| 20:20.46 | stew | earthian: install debsums |
| 20:20.50 | rahul | grr, maybe |
| 20:20.56 | stew | earthian: i'm guessing that you are hitting a bug in your non-free gl libraries |
| 20:21.06 | stew | !invalid module format |
| 20:21.06 | dpkg | hmm... invalid module format is the error you get when you try to load a kerenl module which was compiled with a incompatibily different version of gcc from the versio nused to compiled the kernel. "cat /proc/version" will tell you what version of gcc was used to compile the kernel |
| 20:21.16 | earthian | stew, no output now. |
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| 20:21.26 | stew | earthian: did you try the fix from that bug? |
| 20:21.38 | stew | rahul: 2.6.9 was a nasty kernel anyway |
| 20:21.38 | earthian | i am still reading. thanks. |
| 20:21.39 | simon23 | what is the module please to load for ati fglrx? i scrolled modconf up and down and didnt find it... |
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| 20:21.46 | rahul | stew: works best for me |
| 20:22.17 | rahul | I can't use recent kernels because they b0rked the memory map |
| 20:22.40 | stew | rahul: you know, its rootable a dozen different ways |
| 20:22.57 | rahul | hmm |
| 20:23.11 | rahul | I think I might be able to upgrade to 2.6.15 or so |
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| 20:23.38 | streuner | rahul: that was the reason why i gave on 2.6.9 |
| 20:24.06 | streuner | s/on/up/ |
| 20:26.18 | rahul | what old kernel would you recommend? |
| 20:26.18 | earthian | stew, that does not help. and the problem is now only with openoffice, but with ati control panel and skype and maybe something wlse that i do not know.. like k3b |
| 20:26.19 | solemnwarning | How big do initrd's tend to be? |
| 20:26.19 | rahul | solemnwarning: as long as a piece of string |
| 20:26.19 | earthian | **now=not |
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| 20:26.20 | rahul | that you can hold with one hand :P |
| 20:26.20 | streuner | solemnwarning: official kernels (2.6.x) are usually 4.5 MB |
| 20:26.20 | solemnwarning | I'm reinstalling a machine and it's going to have an encrypted / fs |
| 20:26.30 | solemnwarning | How big should I make /boot to cope with kernel, initrd, ect? |
| 20:26.45 | solemnwarning | Custom kernel btw |
| 20:27.00 | earthian | solemnwarning, how big is the HDD ? |
| 20:27.02 | streuner | 50-100 MB is more than enough |
| 20:27.04 | solemnwarning | 40GB |
| 20:27.10 | PumpkinPie | anyone have a server pushing more then 20 mbits? |
| 20:27.15 | rahul | you won't notice 50MB |
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| 20:27.32 | earthian | i have /boot of 512mb |
| 20:27.35 | PumpkinPie | more then 20 megabits a second |
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| 20:27.44 | earthian | just incase i put there some gfx for grub etc :D |
| 20:27.54 | rahul | PumpkinPie: lots of people |
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| 20:29.36 | proycon | I've got a question on debian security... is there some tool that report whether any of the packages I have installed contain any known vulnerabilities? |
| 20:29.43 | proycon | reports* |
| 20:30.28 | streuner | if they have one, security just fix them... |
| 20:30.34 | rahul | streuner: not always |
| 20:30.47 | stew | hah |
| 20:30.48 | streuner | if they unknown ;-) |
| 20:30.51 | stew | !tracker of doom |
| 20:30.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 20:31.04 | rahul | proycon: you should subscribe to the security mailing list or add it to your newsreader via gmane |
| 20:31.56 | proycon | rahul: yes.. I was aware of that.. I was just wondering if there was something that cross references all those reports with the packages i have installed |
| 20:32.11 | stew | proycon: apt-listbugs perhaps |
| 20:32.15 | rahul | hmm |
| 20:32.22 | rahul | I think I recently installed something like that, actually |
| 20:32.55 | proycon | stew: that comes close yeah! |
| 20:32.59 | proycon | rahul: oh? |
| 20:34.12 | tonyb2006 | If i wanted to buy an IR reciever for LIRC, where would i look? |
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| 20:34.28 | tonyb2006 | (#lirc doesnt exist, if theres somthing similar, please tell me) |
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| 20:35.26 | proycon | and whilst I'm here anyway.. is there any expert regarding MCEs and mcelog here? |
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| 20:37.27 | streuner | !info debsecan |
| 20:37.32 | dpkg | debsecan: (Debian Security Analyzer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.3.5 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 20:37.44 | tonyb2006 | !lirc |
| 20:37.44 | dpkg | [lirc] Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 20:38.09 | stew | tonyb2006: you might try #mythtv-users |
| 20:38.56 | tonyb2006 | :\ |
| 20:39.30 | rahul | streuner: that's the one, I think |
| 20:39.49 | streuner | rahul: http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 20:40.13 | proycon | oh! thanks! |
| 20:40.16 | proycon | that's very helpful |
| 20:40.53 | proycon | sounds like exactly what I need |
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| 20:42.46 | rahul | doesn't seem like it actually checks against what's installed... |
| 20:43.02 | rahul | I'm getting warned about bugs in xfree86 4.3 |
| 20:43.36 | I2omani | i installed iptables and when i do "/etc/init.d/iptables: No such file or directory" this is what i get, what have i done wrong pleae? |
| 20:43.51 | rahul | CVE-2005-2495 Multiple integer overflows in XFree86 before 4.3.0... |
| 20:44.14 | stew | I2omani: you have done nothing wrong. iptables doesn't come with an init script |
| 20:44.34 | rahul | I2omani: iptables is not a service. it's an interface to kernel settings |
| 20:44.52 | proycon | silly question: is etch newer or older than sarge? I forgot |
| 20:45.00 | rahul | if you want something to set up firewall rules, that's a different story |
| 20:45.05 | I2omani | proycon: newer |
| 20:45.11 | stew | proycon: newer, sarge is the current release, etch will be the next release, hopefully soon |
| 20:45.11 | proycon | thanks :) |
| 20:45.14 | svilendotorg | proycon: Etch is Debian Testing |
| 20:45.22 | proycon | I always forget their names |
| 20:45.26 | proycon | I lost track at potato :) |
| 20:45.42 | svilendotorg | potato,sarge,etch... |
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| 20:45.46 | proycon | sid is unstable? |
| 20:45.51 | svilendotorg | yes |
| 20:45.53 | proycon | ok :) |
| 20:46.04 | svilendotorg | sid is always unstable :) |
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| 20:47.23 | stew | svilendotorg: you forgot woody |
| 20:47.57 | svilendotorg | oh yea, woody with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, between potato and sarge |
| 20:48.18 | svilendotorg | thanks for the reminder, stew :) |
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| 20:48.42 | stew | woody had 2.2 and 2.4, sarge has 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 20:48.49 | svilendotorg | right now i'm fighting with Etch AMD64 |
| 20:49.14 | bwlang | i'm getting ready to hire a database programmer/sys admin (it's a tiny company) - any know some good interview questions? |
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| 20:49.52 | svilendotorg | oh, so it's the same mess here, hehe |
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| 20:55.44 | jelly | bwlang: darn startup newbies :-> |
| 20:57.05 | svilendotorg | jelly: ? |
| 20:57.09 | jelly | bwlang: what's your background? I guess there's little sense in asking questions that you don't handle well |
| 20:57.18 | HardDisk_WP | how do i setup a x tunnel like at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:X11_ssh_tunnelling.png |
| 20:57.18 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 20:57.36 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: it's very easy with OpenSSH |
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| 20:58.08 | nweaver916 | anyone know the sshd_config option to require keys (no password auth allowed?) |
| 20:58.11 | HardDisk_WP | svilendotorg, one server is a virtual server (virtuozzo)... |
| 20:58.15 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: find "OpenSSH X tunneling" |
| 20:58.21 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm using IP tables to pass my wireless card traffic to ethernet and then out to internet |
| 20:58.22 | HardDisk_WP | svilendotorg, till possible? (and if yes, how?) |
| 20:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 20:58.49 | LinuxKeitaro | if I can ping the wireless card from another comptuer on the ethernet network - does that mean it's setup correctly |
| 20:59.14 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:59.19 | nweaver916 | LinuxKeitaro: not always |
| 20:59.27 | anirban | can I install grub 2 on debiab |
| 20:59.32 | anirban | I mean Debian |
| 20:59.46 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: the easiest way is ssh -X ip-of-the-host |
| 20:59.47 | anirban | is it in testing or unstable packages |
| 20:59.48 | stew | anirban: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:59.54 | anirban | etch |
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| 20:59.55 | HardDisk_WP | svilendotorg, i try... |
| 21:00.05 | LinuxKeitaro | nweater - oh, specifically I am trying to connect the wii via wireless and I'm getting not a "I can't connect to internet error" but "can't find servers" error |
| 21:00.08 | unautre | how can i change the language of the dictionnary used by xchat ? |
| 21:00.12 | stew | anirban: its in unstable, you can install it if you pin it from unstable, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 21:00.16 | HardDisk_WP | root@www:~# gaim |
| 21:00.17 | HardDisk_WP | (gaim:28072): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed |
| 21:00.17 | HardDisk_WP | Gaim 2.0.0beta5 |
| 21:00.18 | HardDisk_WP | ** (gaim:28072): WARNING **: cannot open display: unset |
| 21:00.18 | *** kick/#debian [HardDisk_WP!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 21:00.28 | HardDisk_WP | :p |
| 21:00.38 | jelly | svilendotorg: I'd try to find a friend that knows the field and let him ask the technical stuff. |
| 21:00.43 | HardDisk_WP | svilendotorg, do you know what can cause this? |
| 21:01.05 | stew | anirban: HOWEVER, it is not recommended that you leave this pin in place after etch releases. also note that the reason that it is not in etch is that the maintainers don't feel it is stable enough yet |
| 21:01.07 | nweaver916 | linuxkeitaro: I wouldn't use IPTables, but just turn on ipforwarding |
| 21:01.10 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: why are you running gaim as root? |
| 21:01.21 | nweaver916 | echo "1" > /pro/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:01.22 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, accidentally as i had to apt-get install it |
| 21:01.25 | nweaver916 | is the command to run as temp |
| 21:01.31 | anirban | okay |
| 21:01.37 | LinuxKeitaro | nweaver - ok, I'll take a lok at that |
| 21:01.49 | anirban | hum..... |
| 21:01.57 | LinuxKeitaro | nweaver - looks like it's already doing that |
| 21:02.03 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: a) don't run random stuff as root b) the usual cause is env. variable DISPLAY not being set up correctly |
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| 21:02.08 | anirban | I think I shall go for the unstable version |
| 21:02.08 | LinuxKeitaro | it's the final command |
| 21:02.16 | nweaver916 | then set your tables to default accept, and then flush your rules |
| 21:02.17 | anirban | not getting all the latest packages |
| 21:02.23 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, the machine where Gaim should run ahs no display... |
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| 21:02.29 | nweaver916 | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 21:02.33 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: http://www.charlescurley.com/OpenSSH.html |
| 21:02.34 | nweaver916 | and "iptables -F" |
| 21:02.35 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, virtualized server |
| 21:02.45 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: wait |
| 21:02.53 | LinuxKeitaro | k |
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| 21:02.57 | stew | nweaver916: why do you want him to turn off iptables? |
| 21:03.03 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: read the article and you'll be ok :) |
| 21:03.16 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: that's not a problem |
| 21:03.22 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: how are you trying to connect? what exactly is the error you are getting? |
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| 21:03.28 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 21:03.32 | LinuxKeitaro | ok |
| 21:03.35 | LinuxKeitaro | one moment |
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| 21:03.51 | nweaver916 | stew: unless he has to dnat, he doesn't need to use iptables, only ipforwarding |
| 21:03.54 | bwlang | jelly: i'm a phd candidate in biophysics... but i write a lot of software (especially db software) |
| 21:04.00 | BASEBAAL | heyyyyyaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:04.04 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - I am connecting via wireless and manual setup |
| 21:04.09 | BASEBAAL | fagfernix u here? |
| 21:04.13 | Skooter | Hi, i get this error when i startx: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV" |
| 21:04.13 | Skooter | (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP ... Can someone help? |
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| 21:04.20 | BASEBAAL | stupid shit infernix |
| 21:04.21 | stew | nweaver916: doeshe have to dnat? is he masquerading? is the firewall protecting anything else? |
| 21:04.26 | BASEBAAL | he is a faggot punk |
| 21:04.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 21:04.34 | LinuxKeitaro | for IP I gave it an IP address in same first 3 octect |
| 21:04.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-a6a2fa8561e2ee13] by stew |
| 21:04.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:04.42 | infernix | huh? |
| 21:04.43 | bwlang | jelly : so far i have: What's the difference between an inner join and an outer join? |
| 21:04.52 | nweaver916 | stew: based on the (small amount) info provided, he is just bridging wireless to wired |
| 21:05.02 | nweaver916 | although he should probably do it as a bridge |
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| 21:05.08 | LinuxKeitaro | 255.255.255.255.0 |
| 21:05.11 | nweaver916 | he doesn't want to mangle/change packets |
| 21:05.13 | infernix | i think he mistook me for someone else |
| 21:05.24 | LinuxKeitaro | finally I set the ip of the wireless card as the router |
| 21:05.27 | LinuxKeitaro | in the wii |
| 21:05.27 | bwlang | jelly: more here http://www.pastebin.ca/329551 |
| 21:05.40 | anirban | Is it bad to keep some unstable packages in a testing version |
| 21:05.53 | nweaver916 | LinuxKeitaro, does the Wii support ad hoc wireless? |
| 21:06.01 | anirban | Can I keep some unstable packages in my etch |
| 21:06.33 | LinuxKeitaro | nweaver - I don't know - but when I tell it to figure stuff out from the wireless it doesn't get as far |
| 21:06.42 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, ssh xxx.de -X emacs gave "emacs: standard input is not a tty" |
| 21:06.43 | LinuxKeitaro | so when I manually give the IP, etc to wii |
| 21:06.52 | LinuxKeitaro | it gets up to where it can't find the servers |
| 21:06.53 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: what is 255.255.255.255.0 |
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| 21:07.07 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: are there other machines connected via wireless? |
| 21:07.09 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, but I exported DISPLAY as said with export DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0 |
| 21:07.12 | nweaver916 | ok, let me make sure I'm following...your laptop is wired to the internet (through a router? or direct) and then you are going wireless to you Wii? |
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| 21:07.20 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: DON'T edit DISPLAY manually. |
| 21:07.29 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - in the wii it's .... subnet mask |
| 21:07.35 | nweaver916 | or is it vice versa...wireless to internet and wired to the Wii? |
| 21:07.40 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: that's not a valid subnet mask |
| 21:07.48 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, oh...what now? |
| 21:07.49 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: what exactly is the ip and subnetmask that you gave to the wii? |
| 21:07.50 | svilendotorg | HardDisk_WP: if you configure OpenSSH correctly, everything is done automatically |
| 21:07.56 | LinuxKeitaro | um....I think I typed too many 255s in here |
| 21:08.12 | LinuxKeitaro | only 3 in the wii |
| 21:08.18 | HardDisk_WP | svilendotorg, i let debian configure it...but i think problem is the server dont have a graphic card and pyhsical TTY |
| 21:08.21 | bkw | are there any free tools that can convert a jpeg to PDF? |
| 21:08.34 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: just do ssh -X server... then check echo $DISPLAY, it should be already set, to something like "localhost:10" |
| 21:08.36 | streuner | bkw: yes |
| 21:08.46 | streuner | bkw: OO |
| 21:08.56 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, DISPLAY is empty |
| 21:08.59 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: verify that you have the xauth command available on the remote machine |
| 21:09.19 | stew | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 21:09.19 | jelly | !tell HardDisk_WP -about sshx |
| 21:09.29 | LinuxKeitaro | ok |
| 21:09.35 | LinuxKeitaro | I just posted to my server |
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| 21:09.41 | LinuxKeitaro | the config I"m using on the nat box |
| 21:09.45 | LinuxKeitaro | one sec and I'll give teh address |
| 21:09.47 | bkw | streuner: you mean openoffice? |
| 21:09.51 | streuner | bkw: yes |
| 21:10.16 | LinuxKeitaro | ok, stew and nweaver - this is what I'm using to launch wireless access point - http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/wii.txt |
| 21:10.17 | bkw | streuner: it doesn't make proportional conversions. |
| 21:10.25 | anirban | I am getting public key is not present for the debian unofficial archivier |
| 21:10.36 | anirban | how to get the public key |
| 21:10.41 | bkw | streuner: say I want a complete pdf page of a small image. |
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| 21:10.53 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: still trying to setup that AP? :-) |
| 21:10.54 | stew | anirban: /topic |
| 21:11.02 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - I am not giving up :) |
| 21:11.07 | bkw | streuner: OOo doesn't scale that well. |
| 21:11.23 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: you can always try just setting up a router instead of a bridge |
| 21:11.37 | LinuxKeitaro | I already have a router |
| 21:11.38 | jelly | bwlang: the apps I see our users installing usually have no idea of data integrity and referential integrity... the check, if any, are done in code. Maybe a question about ref. integrity. |
| 21:11.43 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: what exactly is the ip and subnetmask that you gave to the wii? |
| 21:11.50 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: so? |
| 21:12.11 | LinuxKeitaro | stew the ip is: 192.168.0.200 |
| 21:12.19 | LinuxKeitaro | and the subnet is 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:12.40 | LinuxKeitaro | and the "router" is: 192.168.0.120 |
| 21:12.50 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: and did you setup dns? |
| 21:12.52 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 21:12.56 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - I did |
| 21:13.01 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: since you didn't specify a subnet mask for ath0, double check that it actually got 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:13.21 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - ifconfig confirms this |
| 21:13.32 | LinuxKeitaro | the subnet for ath0 is 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:13.36 | HardDisk_WP | <-- bed |
| 21:13.36 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: can you ping 192.168.0.200 from the router? |
| 21:13.37 | bwlang | jelly: good idea... basic but important |
| 21:13.39 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: you're getting somewhere. do X apps run from the same shell as ssh work? |
| 21:13.51 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 21:13.56 | bwlang | jelly: no referential integrition = not a database (in my opinion...) |
| 21:13.57 | HardDisk_WP | but sry mum gets crazy -.- |
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| 21:14.12 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - I cannot ping |
| 21:14.14 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: are you still trying to setup a bridge? |
| 21:14.18 | n0sens | bkw: convert |
| 21:14.26 | LinuxKeitaro | but I am not sure it keeps that IP address after failure |
| 21:14.31 | stew | justin: he doesn't seem to be, he's setting up a router |
| 21:14.38 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - no bridge - using iptables |
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| 21:14.51 | LinuxKeitaro | bridge didnt' get me far enough - couldn't find internet |
| 21:14.57 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: you don't need to use iptables, you can just enable ip forwarding |
| 21:14.59 | LinuxKeitaro | not it doesn't say it can't find internet - it says it can't find server |
| 21:15.05 | jelly | bwlang: heh. 90, maybe 99% of LAMP apps don't have a clue about what that might be. Basically they hope the data won't get scrambled. ;-) |
| 21:15.33 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - so in http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/wii.txt I just need the last line in the last "paragraph"? |
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| 21:16.03 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: what does your eth0 device plug into? |
| 21:16.13 | LinuxKeitaro | a router to the internet |
| 21:16.16 | bwlang | jelly: what did you think of the generic questions - too cheesy? |
| 21:16.24 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: do you own that router? |
| 21:16.25 | bkw | n0sens: is convert the name of the tool? |
| 21:16.28 | LinuxKeitaro | yup |
| 21:16.33 | n0sens | bkw: yes |
| 21:16.40 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: is it a linksys or such? |
| 21:16.47 | LinuxKeitaro | dlink] |
| 21:16.49 | earthian | does anybody understand what strace outputs on some programs and maybe could help me find a solution to a problem ??? |
| 21:16.52 | jelly | bwlang: no idea there, never done a real interview (either side of the table) |
| 21:16.58 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: is there a place in its setup screen to add a static route? |
| 21:17.03 | LinuxKeitaro | hmm |
| 21:17.20 | jelly | bwlang: I'd expect something like from a prospective employer though |
| 21:17.44 | LinuxKeitaro | I have the option to assigned a satic dhcp to a specific mac address |
| 21:17.51 | bkw | n0sens: is the packagename convmv? |
| 21:17.52 | justin | all you need to do is makeup a new subnet - DIFFERENT from the one eth0 is on, and add a static route on the dlink for that ip with a gateway as whatever the current address of your eth0 card is |
| 21:17.58 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: no, static route, not static dhcp |
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| 21:18.32 | LinuxKeitaro | no |
| 21:18.33 | LinuxKeitaro | I don't have that |
| 21:18.45 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: which dlink is this? |
| 21:18.53 | LinuxKeitaro | let me check -- |
| 21:19.01 | LinuxKeitaro | DI-604 |
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| 21:19.56 | LinuxKeitaro | on the status page |
| 21:20.09 | LinuxKeitaro | under wan I have default gateway and dns |
| 21:20.10 | justin | hah, this is cool! d-link has an 'emulator' for it at http://support.dlink.com/emulators/di604_reve/ |
| 21:20.20 | LinuxKeitaro | should any of those be DNS for the wii? |
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| 21:20.40 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: look on your computer for the dns servers |
| 21:20.51 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: "grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 21:20.57 | earthian | i have a file http://www.fostral.net/strace-skype that is a strace -o ... skype where skype does not start but output a "floating point exception" error. the same error happens with many more software. in google i saw that it could be a problem with libstdc++5 or libqt3-mt or so.... can somebody help me solve these problems? |
| 21:20.58 | LinuxKeitaro | yeah... |
| 21:21.02 | n0sens | bkw: it comes with imagemagick |
| 21:21.04 | LinuxKeitaro | for me |
| 21:21.09 | LinuxKeitaro | that's the address of my router |
| 21:21.10 | Thms | anyone knows a good system monitor ? (cpu, space, swap, ethernet traffic, ...) ? |
| 21:21.35 | karsten | Thms: uptime, top, iostat, vmstat, ntop |
| 21:21.37 | amphi | Thms: gkrellm is one, hides nicely in the slit of *box (if you use such a wm) |
| 21:21.58 | karsten | Thms: ... or gkrellm, or WindowMaker desktop applets, or Nagios, or mrtg. |
| 21:21.59 | LinuxKeitaro | so should that be teh dns for my wii? |
| 21:22.02 | Thms | amee2k: gkrellm is ugly :s |
| 21:22.16 | earthian | same is with http://www.fostral.net/strace-fireglcontrolpanel |
| 21:22.27 | Thms | I want a monitor who is on the wallpaper of my desktop |
| 21:22.43 | karsten | Thms: ... or the Moaning Goat Meter: http://linuxmafia.com/mgm/ |
| 21:22.52 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: what are the ip address and netmask for both your eth0 and ath0 interfaces? |
| 21:22.55 | stew | earthian: those both appear to be qt problems |
| 21:22.57 | nweaver916 | gdesklets have monitors on the desktop |
| 21:22.59 | karsten | Thms: The first set I told you, running in screen, split sessions. |
| 21:23.19 | earthian | same is with http://www.fostral.net/strace-ooo and .../strace-k3b ? |
| 21:23.19 | stew | earthian: what version of the qt libs were those applications compiled against? |
| 21:23.26 | earthian | qt3 |
| 21:23.38 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - eth0 192.168.0.100 ath0 192.168.0.120 |
| 21:23.40 | stew | earthian: which? |
| 21:23.42 | earthian | erm.. i am not sure. |
| 21:23.46 | LinuxKeitaro | and for both 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:23.46 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: no! |
| 21:23.48 | earthian | i did not compiled them |
| 21:23.55 | earthian | apt-get install .... |
| 21:23.59 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: make ath0 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:24.08 | Thms | yes like mgm kadath but more beautifull :P |
| 21:24.09 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: put 192.168.1.1 as gateway for wii |
| 21:24.17 | LinuxKeitaro | um ok |
| 21:24.21 | LinuxKeitaro | one second |
| 21:24.26 | stew | oh wait |
| 21:24.37 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: you can't have both ath0 and eth0 on the same subnet |
| 21:24.41 | svilendotorg | is it good idea to create raid1 partitions and then to make lvm partitions from the raid ones? |
| 21:24.49 | LinuxKeitaro | stew - oh, sweet |
| 21:24.50 | LinuxKeitaro | thanks |
| 21:24.50 | justin | svilendotorg: sure |
| 21:24.52 | LinuxKeitaro | one sec |
| 21:24.53 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: make ath0 be on some other subnet, like 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 21:25.17 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: yeah, justin is on the right track |
| 21:25.35 | LinuxKeitaro | ok that have been changed - let me try that on the wii |
| 21:25.36 | LinuxKeitaro | brb |
| 21:25.56 | earthian | stew, skype.com tells that it requires Qt 3.3 |
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| 21:26.20 | svilendotorg | justin: so what to do: 1st creat one bit raid1 partition from the 2 hdds, then make it lvm type, then partition the lvm as i want to? |
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| 21:26.46 | justin | svilendotorg: yep |
| 21:26.47 | LinuxKeitaro | justin/stwe - this is "worse" |
| 21:26.50 | svilendotorg | justin: or create /,/etc/,home... on raid1 partitions, then make lvm |
| 21:26.55 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: no, it's better |
| 21:26.56 | LinuxKeitaro | nintendo now cannot conenct to net |
| 21:27.12 | stew | earthian: the mt version or not? |
| 21:27.12 | LinuxKeitaro | before it just couldn't find servers - if I could believe the errors |
| 21:27.14 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: for this configuration you do need the iptables lines from that website |
| 21:27.22 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: nah, before it probably only thought it was online |
| 21:27.22 | LinuxKeitaro | they are there |
| 21:27.23 | earthian | stew, http://support.skype.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=188&nav=+%26gt%3B+%3Ca+href%3D%27index.php%3F_a%3Dknowledgebase%26_j%3Dsubcat%26_i%3D11%27%3ESkype+for+Linux%3C%2Fa%3E |
| 21:27.26 | stew | why am i trying to help with non-free software |
| 21:27.29 | LinuxKeitaro | but I can't reset them..... |
| 21:27.30 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: can you ping the wii? |
| 21:27.43 | earthian | there is no non mt 3.x version |
| 21:28.09 | LinuxKeitaro | I cannot ping it |
| 21:28.34 | stew | earthian: yes there is |
| 21:28.35 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: oh, did you reconfigure the wii to have an address on 192.168.1.x ? |
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| 21:28.40 | LinuxKeitaro | yes |
| 21:28.44 | stew | !info libqt3c102 sarge |
| 21:28.44 | LinuxKeitaro | 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:28.50 | dpkg | libqt3c102: (Qt GUI Library, Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2859 kB, Installed size: 7136 kB |
| 21:28.51 | stew | !info libqt3-mt sarge |
| 21:28.54 | jelly | stew, earthian: I have skype-beta 1.3.0.50 installed and it's linked against libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb766b000) |
| 21:28.59 | pe3r | hey, is there a web version of a terminal? like something that lets me control my box via webbrowser |
| 21:29.00 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: you should be able to ping it, assuming it is associated |
| 21:29.15 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - I don't think ti remains associated on failure |
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| 21:29.29 | earthian | stew, i use etch. |
| 21:29.35 | LinuxKeitaro | hmm |
| 21:29.46 | LinuxKeitaro | from my wired connection I cannot ping the wireless router |
| 21:29.49 | stew | earthian: i know, there isn't a non-multithreaded version in etch |
| 21:30.00 | LinuxKeitaro | is that right? I forget how subnets work |
| 21:30.14 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: how many computers do you have? |
| 21:30.20 | LinuxKeitaro | 5 |
| 21:30.23 | LinuxKeitaro | 2 linux |
| 21:30.35 | jelly | earthian: you'll need libstdc++5 and libqt3-mt (I'm guessing on the last one |
| 21:30.35 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: er rather, how many computers do you have that are directly related to this problem |
| 21:30.36 | svilendotorg | justin: do i have to make a separate boot partition, or etch can boot from the raid-ed/vlm-ed partition as normal one? |
| 21:30.39 | LinuxKeitaro | so printman is the one w/ the wireless |
| 21:30.48 | LinuxKeitaro | and short-e is just on the ethernet network |
| 21:31.03 | earthian | jelly, i have all them... and my problem is not skype problem. it is more general... |
| 21:31.06 | LinuxKeitaro | short-e cannot ping the wireless card on printman |
| 21:31.08 | LinuxKeitaro | is that correct? |
| 21:31.14 | LinuxKeitaro | or a sign that something is wrong w/ iptables? |
| 21:31.21 | karsten | In gaim/jabber, how do you invite others to a conference? |
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| 21:31.25 | LinuxKeitaro | I never flushed them between changes |
| 21:31.33 | earthian | jelly, i get "Floating point exception" upon startup in various contexts |
| 21:31.37 | justin | svilendotorg: what I usually do is make 2 raid 1 arrays, one raid1 array is 2G or so and mounted as /, the rest of the drive is another raid1 array dedicated to lvm |
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| 21:32.05 | svilendotorg | justin: and i guess i have to put swap outside the raid/lvm array |
| 21:32.13 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: it can't ping the wireless card because it does not know how to get to 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:32.27 | jelly | earthian: oh, that's another pair of shoes, sorry |
| 21:32.29 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - so that can't be used to diagnose |
| 21:32.50 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: no, if you wanted to you could add a route for 192.168.1.0/24 through the ip of eth0 on the 'printman' |
| 21:32.51 | stew | LinuxKeitaro: what ip address did you give the wii? |
| 21:32.59 | jelly | earthian: upgraded anything in between? |
| 21:33.05 | LinuxKeitaro | stew 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:33.06 | earthian | probably.. |
| 21:33.09 | earthian | a lot. |
| 21:33.19 | jelly | earthian: are you running any KDE apps? |
| 21:33.21 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: you should be able to ping 192.168.1.2 from 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:33.27 | earthian | jelly no |
| 21:33.31 | earthian | i am running gnome |
| 21:33.40 | svilendotorg | ok, so i guess i'll use that scheme: |
| 21:33.40 | svilendotorg | /hda1 and /hdc1 => raid1, mouted as / for booting |
| 21:33.53 | earthian | and some kde apps.. like k3b, skype, fglrx control panel |
| 21:34.00 | earthian | openoffice.org? |
| 21:34.10 | svilendotorg | hda2 and hdc2 => raid1+vlm, divided into partitions |
| 21:34.10 | LinuxKeitaro | on printman I type ping -c 3 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:34.11 | jelly | earthian: that's what I'm asking. k3b is probably kde. |
| 21:34.15 | LinuxKeitaro | and have 100% packet loss |
| 21:34.29 | svilendotorg | hda3 and hdc4 => simple swap partitions |
| 21:34.29 | earthian | yes... its seem to be with kde apps.. |
| 21:34.37 | jelly | earthian: kde services break on upgrade. |
| 21:34.50 | LinuxKeitaro | is there a way to check if the wii is associated w/ the wireless card? |
| 21:34.53 | earthian | i have a clean install here... |
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| 21:34.57 | svilendotorg | justin: would that be ok? |
| 21:35.03 | justin | svilendotorg: yes |
| 21:35.04 | jelly | earthian: so you did no upgrades? |
| 21:35.22 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: iwconfig or wlanconfig might help |
| 21:35.24 | earthian | install from a CD then upgrade and then install more ... |
| 21:35.31 | justin | one of those should have a subcommand to list associated clients |
| 21:35.44 | justin | been a while since I setup an AP in linux:) |
| 21:35.49 | jelly | earthian: that's not a clean install any more, then |
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| 21:35.56 | earthian | skype and other QT apps ran here some time ago... it broke at some time that i do not know exactly why |
| 21:36.07 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - first think I was doign wrong - although same outcome - i need to do ping -c 3 -I ath0 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:36.11 | LinuxKeitaro | or it's using eth0 |
| 21:36.23 | stew | earthian: did it break when you installed the fglrx drivers? |
| 21:36.27 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: it shouldn't, unless your routing table is screwed up |
| 21:36.53 | earthian | stew, no. it worked after. as i installed those drivers at the beginning |
| 21:37.11 | earthian | i installed apache at the end after wich i ran skype which failed... |
| 21:37.12 | earthian | :o |
| 21:37.12 | jelly | earthian: anyway, if it's kde services related, it should clean up after logging out / logging in |
| 21:37.15 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm giong to tell the wii to try and associatre and then try and ping |
| 21:37.34 | justin | LinuxKeitaro: good idea |
| 21:37.37 | earthian | hm |
| 21:37.45 | earthian | jelly, stew : |
| 21:37.45 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# ./Desktop/skype-1.3.0.53/skype |
| 21:37.46 | earthian | Floating point exception |
| 21:37.53 | stew | earthian: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pastebin? |
| 21:37.57 | earthian | i ran a statically compiled one from skype site |
| 21:37.58 | earthian | lol |
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| 21:38.31 | justin | earthian: why are you running it as root |
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| 21:38.47 | earthian | justin, does it matter? |
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| 21:38.53 | justin | running skype is bad enough, running it as root is.. eh |
| 21:38.55 | justin | earthian: yes |
| 21:39.00 | siimo | is unstable in freeze mode currently |
| 21:39.04 | earthian | justin, it does not work. |
| 21:39.06 | LinuxKeitaro | justin - bah - no luck yet |
| 21:39.11 | jelly | earthian: generally it's not a good idea to run random stuff as root. |
| 21:39.11 | stew | siimo: unstable is never in freeze mode |
| 21:39.26 | stew | siimo: etch aka testing is |
| 21:39.35 | earthian | stew, http://www.fostral.net/apt-cache_policy |
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| 21:40.04 | svilendotorg | justin: |
| 21:40.04 | svilendotorg | hda1 + hdc1 = 2 * 2 GB, bootable, RAID1 (NO VLM) |
| 21:40.04 | svilendotorg | hda2 + hdc2 = 2 * 1 GB SWAP |
| 21:40.04 | svilendotorg | hda3 + hdc3 = 2 * 79 GB, RAID1 + VLM |
| 21:40.04 | svilendotorg | :) |
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| 21:40.10 | stew | awesome, an etch / edgy mix |
| 21:40.37 | Ronin | etch and edgy?? ouch |
| 21:40.37 | nweaver916 | you shouldn't raid your swap :D |
| 21:40.41 | earthian | stew, i did not installed wine yet.. and wine for edgy and etch are the same |
| 21:41.14 | stew | earthian: you should not mix edgy packages with etch |
| 21:41.14 | stew | oh |
| 21:41.15 | jelly | earthian: wine from winehq built for ubuntu? Didn't work for me. |
| 21:41.17 | LinuxKeitaro | justin/stew - i used iwevent |
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| 21:41.27 | LinuxKeitaro | and I can see that it's disassociating when it doesn't work right |
| 21:41.44 | stew | earthian: and you think that the "stable" repository from skype contains packages compiled for testing? |
| 21:41.45 | jelly | earthian: ignore that bit about packages "for Debian" on winehq.com ... it's not really true |
| 21:42.01 | LinuxKeitaro | is it possible to tell me card to be a b connection? |
| 21:42.06 | LinuxKeitaro | isntead of g? |
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| 21:42.19 | LinuxKeitaro | could that be the probleM? I know the wii documentation says it has to allow mixed mode |
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| 21:43.21 | NiCeBoY | hello here anyone can tell me the command to be done on ssh to kill all process named sc_serv please? |
| 21:43.22 | jelly | stew: that particular 3rd party repository for wine is rather safe, doesn't break anything but wine. ;-) |
| 21:43.38 | earthian | hmm.... i will try to logout/login |
| 21:43.52 | earthian | maybe jelly is true that kde apps will work after that |
| 21:43.53 | stew | NiCeBoY: pkill sc_serv |
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| 21:44.14 | NiCeBoY | thanks stew |
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| 21:45.24 | jelly | kdebase should probably have a debconf notice on upgrade... running apps WILL break when they try interacting with kde services started before the upgrade |
| 21:45.44 | jelly | s/running/freshly started/ |
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| 21:46.10 | earthian | jelly, it did not work. :/ |
| 21:46.26 | jmblack | is their a package that uses vnc to remote control an existing x session? |
| 21:46.47 | jelly | earthian: at least you can rule one probalbe cause out |
| 21:46.54 | stew | earthian: what version of libqt3-mt is installed? |
| 21:47.29 | earthian | !info libqt3-mt etch |
| 21:47.34 | dpkg | libqt3-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3055 kB, Installed size: 8664 kB |
| 21:47.36 | earthian | stew, ^^ |
| 21:47.42 | stew | earthian: how did you check? |
| 21:48.34 | earthian | sorry? i didi not understand your question. |
| 21:48.46 | stew | earthian: how did you check which version of libqt3-mt you have installed? |
| 21:49.00 | earthian | the latest in etch which is what dpkg said here. |
| 21:49.07 | earthian | the same i have in dpkg -l |
| 21:49.38 | stew | earthian: can you try moving your users ~/.qt out of the way? |
| 21:49.40 | naitram | anyone know what driver should be loaded for xserver-xorg with intel 82845G/GL brookstone chipset for graphics |
| 21:49.52 | earthian | stew, i already tried removing it.. |
| 21:50.09 | jelly | naitram: i810 |
| 21:50.59 | sorl_ | is it a difficult process to turn an empty idenical hd into a raid1 mirror? |
| 21:51.12 | naitram | jelly: well i guess ill have to reinstall my linux, i cant get this straightened back out. several have tried to help me but my system is just screwed i guess |
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| 21:53.38 | stew | sorl_: basically, you create a degraded array with the blank drive by using the --missing parameter to mdadm, then copy the data from the drive to the new array, then add the original drive to the array |
| 21:53.50 | stew | sorl_: if you are booting from this drive you'll need to rebuid the initrd if you use one |
| 21:55.11 | jelly | naitram: that possible. Have you tried asking in #xorg? |
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| 21:55.23 | jelly | ?MISSING VERB ERROR |
| 21:55.24 | svilendotorg | oh god :( not again... |
| 21:55.24 | svilendotorg | HELP NEEDED - installing Etch AMD64 RC1 CD1 and getting "Debootstrap Error - Failed to determine the codename for the release."; base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/no_codename |
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| 21:56.27 | stew | !dbugs 374228 |
| 21:56.31 | dpkg | DONE:#374228:N[installation-reports] installation-reports: Installation failed with base-installer/no_codename on AMD64; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:18:04 UTC |
| 21:56.40 | stew | svilendotorg: ^^ i think you need to use a daily |
| 21:56.42 | naitram | jelly: no maybe monday. Thanks all for your help |
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| 21:56.53 | sorl_ | stew, well yes it should be the same procedure as when i drive is lost |
| 21:57.34 | stew | sorl_: yes, but you need to create a degraded array with the empty drive and copy to that array first. i don't know of a way to make an array out of a drive without losing the data on the drive |
| 21:58.24 | svilendotorg | stew: daily build? i've just downloaded the RC1 CD1 |
| 21:58.41 | sorl_ | stew, the drive is fresh so i got nothing to loose there... lets see if we can do this, it was some time ago i ran debian now |
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| 21:59.23 | svilendotorg | stew: i saw the topic on the mailing lists, thanks for the hint; rading now |
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| 21:59.46 | mike-e_ | anyone know where i can get a .deb pack for madwifi? |
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| 22:00.24 | rgsteele | mike-e_: Google tells me ftp://debian.marlow.dk |
| 22:00.33 | stew | !madwifi-install |
| 22:00.34 | dpkg | madwifi-install is probably to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 22:00.40 | rgsteele | !giyf |
| 22:00.40 | dpkg | i guess giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 22:01.17 | stew | if google tells you to install it from an unofficial mirror when its available from debian directly, then google is not your friend |
| 22:01.19 | Ronin | as always |
| 22:01.21 | mike-e_ | !googlesfirstreferenceswereoldandoutofdate |
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| 22:01.38 | Ronin | stew: common sense must as always be used |
| 22:01.45 | mike-e_ | not to mention the madwifi web page's instruction on building them uses inaccurate sourceforge repos |
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| 22:02.20 | stew | common sense is telling me its time to go buy some beer |
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| 22:02.23 | stew | happy friday! |
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| 22:02.34 | mike-e_ | you can't go stew! |
| 22:02.50 | stew | in fact, i can |
| 22:02.53 | Ronin | stew: buy beer? i wander over to one of the 3 full kegs and make a decision |
| 22:03.25 | stew | Ronin: i'm ordering kegging equipment this weekend |
| 22:03.29 | Ronin | good man |
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| 22:03.39 | Ronin | botteling sucks big time |
| 22:03.47 | rgsteele | stew: Ever see that Grolsch Debian logo? :) |
| 22:03.51 | stew | and a pump so i can do rims/herms whatever |
| 22:04.09 | sorl_ | stew: when partitioning the new drive..is there a way to get it just the same as the first one? |
| 22:04.21 | Ronin | im impressed then stew :) im still on the ol propane burner etc. |
| 22:04.41 | rgsteele | stew: http://ryansmind.dnsalias.com:8080/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1288 |
| 22:05.06 | Ronin | rgsteele: i love it |
| 22:05.10 | rgsteele | Hehe |
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| 22:05.47 | rgsteele | Yeah, I work in a college town...was thinking of going to some parties with Grolsch beers with those labels slapped on 'em. |
| 22:05.59 | rgsteele | Maybe converting some of the young impressionable minds ;) |
| 22:06.34 | stew | sorl_: i dunno of a way. maybe with sfdisk. if sfdisk doens't have a way, it should probably be added |
| 22:06.43 | stew | rgsteele: yeah, i saw that from some debconf6 photos |
| 22:07.19 | stew | Ronin: don't be impressed until i actually get it working :) |
| 22:07.43 | rgsteele | stew: You gonna brew your own, or just buy a beermeister? |
| 22:07.47 | Ronin | stew: anyone who makes thier own :) |
| 22:07.52 | Ronin | rgsteele: makes |
| 22:08.15 | Ronin | im brewing tomorrow actually should be fun in the -25c weather |
| 22:08.16 | sorl_ | stew, i guess p in fstab will do fine... |
| 22:08.21 | rgsteele | Ronin: Ooh, I've only had homebrewed once...tasted alot like Dogfishhead |
| 22:08.22 | sorl_ | stew, i mean fdisk |
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| 22:08.45 | stew | Ronin: would you believe that I actually cannot buy any supplies anywhere in NYC, i have to drive to NJ |
| 22:08.56 | Ronin | what? really? damnd |
| 22:08.59 | rgsteele | stew: Why? |
| 22:09.12 | stew | rgsteele: there is no homebrew store anywhere in nyc |
| 22:09.31 | stew | probably dogfishhead 60min ipa |
| 22:09.35 | Ronin | im actually speechless at that stew, a city that size |
| 22:09.38 | jjazz | stew: That's not true. |
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| 22:09.45 | rgsteele | Hm, can you just plop any config with any old name in /etc/logrotate.d/ and expect it to run? I've got /etc/cron.daily calling the logrotate stuff, but it doesn't seem to be doing my bidding :) |
| 22:09.52 | stew | jjazz: where? |
| 22:09.58 | Ronin | jjazz: all grain or kits? |
| 22:10.24 | jjazz | stew: There's one in brooklyn. I forget what it's called. It's in Park Slope. |
| 22:10.41 | jjazz | Ronin: I'm not a brewer, so I really couldn't say. A friend of mine was telling me about them. |
| 22:10.42 | stew | jjazz: you are thinkinf of biercraft (which is a few block from where i live) |
| 22:10.47 | jjazz | stew: Yeah, that's it. |
| 22:10.54 | stew | jjazz: they brew themselves, but don't sell any related |
| 22:11.07 | stew | excellent store though |
| 22:11.27 | jjazz | stew: Ah. When my friend described it, he was buying some keg-related dongle from them. |
| 22:11.31 | Ronin | jjazz: lets just say i have about 200lbs of grain in the house and 10 lbs of various hops in the freeer |
| 22:11.32 | stew | really? |
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| 22:11.57 | rahul | my friend bought all his homebrew stuff online |
| 22:12.03 | stew | actually i'll just walk down to biercraft right now and find out for sure |
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| 22:12.15 | stew | rahul: are you still in lincoln center? |
| 22:12.22 | rahul | http://www.nycbeer.org/homebrew/index.html |
| 22:12.27 | jjazz | Ronin: I'm not a beer guy, so I'll cede to your experience here. My dream is to make bourbon. |
| 22:12.28 | rahul | you zoofs |
| 22:12.31 | rahul | first hit on google. |
| 22:12.33 | rahul | stew: yeah |
| 22:12.57 | Ronin | jjazz: heh im all for bending laws but thats too stinky to hide |
| 22:12.59 | rahul | well, there are some in NYC if you consider SI to be part of NYC |
| 22:13.15 | stew | i do |
| 22:13.21 | rahul | my condolences |
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| 22:13.35 | jjazz | Ronin: making bourbon also takes too long. And it's not like I have a backyard in which to char some white oak barrels. |
| 22:13.39 | Ronin | stew: drive your butt up here this summer, we have a big brew party every year |
| 22:13.49 | jelly | what is zoofs? A filesystem which stores data in various animals' excrement? |
| 22:13.55 | rahul | haha |
| 22:13.58 | Ronin | damn jelly |
| 22:14.01 | rahul | !zoof |
| 22:14.01 | dpkg | not zoof. fooz. |
| 22:14.07 | rahul | heh. |
| 22:14.16 | jelly | !fooz |
| 22:14.30 | jelly | I see no fooz here, sorry. |
| 22:14.39 | stew | oh interesting |
| 22:14.48 | stew | the one in staten island moved to flushing, queens |
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| 22:15.09 | stew | why don't these places have websites |
| 22:15.20 | Ronin | they do have phones though |
| 22:15.49 | jelly | stew: that a microbrewery? |
| 22:16.02 | siimo | will etch include xfce 4.4.0 final? since it was released last week and well rc2 is included |
| 22:16.18 | stew | jelly: no, homebrew (and aparantely hydroponics) supply store |
| 22:16.34 | jelly | stew: oh, for diy |
| 22:16.40 | stew | yeah |
| 22:17.02 | stew | taking free as in beer to another level :) |
| 22:17.23 | jelly | siimo: try looking at #debian-xfce topic and/or asking there |
| 22:17.24 | Ronin | heh |
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| 22:24.07 | Icb3a | Hi, how to give the Netstat permission to the www-data user plz |
| 22:24.07 | Icb3a | ? |
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| 22:25.19 | tuvwx | did anyone try the new ipw2200-modules-* packages? do they take care of the in-kernel ipw2200 modules? |
| 22:25.40 | sorl_ | stew: ok here comes the reboot after raid1 config :) i am scared |
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| 22:26.05 | jelly | Icb3a: I think any user should be able to run /bin/netstat on a default distro kernel (without selinux or grsecurity or other restrictions on /proc) |
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| 22:27.32 | Icb3a | jelly thx for answer. My www-data user ins't able to. but I really prefer to keep the selinux :) |
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| 22:27.50 | sineer | hi! I have a question regarding APT and the Pinning of packages... |
| 22:28.04 | jelly | Icb3a: I guess you might have to set up selinux to allow it. |
| 22:28.22 | rahul | sineer: congrats |
| 22:28.37 | Icb3a | jelly, ok. I have try : chmod 744 on netstat but no result :/ |
| 22:28.39 | sineer | I have succesfully configured my apt/preferences file to pin the packages based on their Origin to PRI 1001... Now when I do an apt-cache policy somepackage I can see that the pkg pri IS 1001... |
| 22:29.08 | jelly | Icb3a: I don't have a clue about selinux, sorry. |
| 22:29.11 | sineer | What I would like is a way to Force the installation of ALL pri 1001 packages that aren't mark for installation.. or at least all 'required' PRI 1001 pkgs.. |
| 22:29.51 | sineer | anyone knows how I can tell apt to install all req. pkgs with pri > 1000 ? |
| 22:30.04 | h3sp4wn | apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:30.12 | sineer | -u uh.. let me try that :) |
| 22:30.42 | sineer | h3sp4wn, nah doesn't work :( |
| 22:30.56 | sineer | I had tried dist-upgrade upgrade and dselect-upgrade already.. |
| 22:31.01 | h3sp4wn | I have done it before I am just trying to remember how |
| 22:31.09 | sineer | sweet :) |
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| 22:33.05 | g333k_laptop | hello, I followed the procedure provided by dpkg to install madwifi drivers, but I cant see my ath0 interface, why? |
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| 22:33.12 | sineer | h3sp4wn, no luck remembering how you did it? a clue perhaps :) |
| 22:33.39 | h3sp4wn | sineer: What are you trying to downgrade to what ? |
| 22:34.16 | sineer | no downgrade :) Forcing install |
| 22:34.27 | sineer | that pkg I got pinned to pri 1001 is not marked as installed. |
| 22:34.54 | sineer | I want to force installation of all packages (or all 'req' pkgs) that have pri=1001 according to apt-cache policies |
| 22:35.10 | sineer | I can't seem to find a way to do it :( |
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| 22:35.41 | sineer | I tought dist-upgrade would have done it but I now believe it will only downgrade or upgrade pkgs with pri > 1001 marked as installed already |
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| 22:38.54 | sineer | hrmm.. I guess I'll script something together with apt-cache and apt-get... |
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| 22:39.38 | Kerr | dpkg: activesync |
| 22:39.38 | Kerr | blah |
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| 22:40.01 | victori_ | i keep rerunning alsaconf but its not sticking to my settings |
| 22:40.06 | victori_ | I have to audio cards |
| 22:40.16 | h3sp4wn | two audio cards ? |
| 22:40.20 | victori_ | I want to default to my primary sb live , yet its not doing it |
| 22:40.29 | victori_ | well one card on the motherboard and the other my sblive |
| 22:40.40 | h3sp4wn | alsaconf only works for one |
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| 22:40.43 | victori_ | its driving me nuts re-running alsaconf to get it sorted out |
| 22:40.48 | victori_ | exactly |
| 22:40.57 | victori_ | and I have to keep resetting it up to use my sblive |
| 22:41.00 | victori_ | any way to make it stick? |
| 22:41.04 | rahul | disable the one on the motherboard |
| 22:41.11 | a-atwood | go into bios and turn off the one on the mb |
| 22:41.12 | victori_ | say it was not possible |
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| 22:41.23 | a-atwood | yes, it's possible |
| 22:41.25 | victori_ | i am sure I can some how set it up some how in alsa |
| 22:41.25 | rahul | say we lived in never-neverland |
| 22:41.37 | victori_ | we are talking about old hardware here |
| 22:41.47 | rahul | victori_: you'd need to compile the drivers into the kernel |
| 22:42.00 | a-atwood | exacto knife. };^) |
| 22:42.09 | h3sp4wn | victori_: echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (try something like that) |
| 22:42.18 | victori_ | bah ill just force the autoloading of the sblive modules |
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| 22:42.41 | [Cadet] | victori_: Maybe some kind of bug. I have the same issue on my wifes computer and the sound card on the motherboard says it is disabled in the bios |
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| 22:43.54 | grndslm | i'm trying to get svn for beryl working, and i need to install dependencies, but apt-get build-dep beryl gives me this: E: Unable to find a source package for beryl-core |
| 22:43.59 | a-atwood | had to do the same thing. sound died on mb, but drivers still loading. turned it off and added a card. now I have sound again. after 4 years. |
| 22:44.19 | grndslm | ...even tho the deb-src repos are in the sources.list file |
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| 22:55.53 | Draconicus | I need something that will run nicely on a Pentium 233MHz with 128MB RAM, and I need to set it up fairly quickly, which calls for binary packages. Can I install Debian in a way that will make it light enough for this internally? I can handle the WM and apps, but I need to know how to make the system in general lighter, like DSL or Knoppix but preferably with straight Debian... |
| 22:55.57 | g333k_laptop | hi I, receiving this message when try to connect to my wifi: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument., I have wlan_wep loaded, any clue? |
| 22:56.10 | Draconicus | Alternatively, is Knoppix directly compatible with the packages in Debian repos? |
| 22:56.25 | streuner | no |
| 22:56.39 | amphi | Draconicus: just do a debian base-install, ignore tasksel, and install what you want |
| 22:57.08 | amphi | Draconicus: I ran debian very nicely on such a machine with 32MB ram |
| 22:57.40 | Draconicus | amphi: tasksel? |
| 22:58.18 | amphi | Draconicus: the thing that lets you select 'desktop' etc. - type of install |
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| 22:59.15 | zoddan | hi |
| 22:59.26 | zoddan | im having some problems with the apt and webmin |
| 22:59.40 | zoddan | it says that webmin-apache dos not have a installationscanidate |
| 22:59.43 | zoddan | how can that be? |
| 22:59.53 | dendrite | !webmin |
| 22:59.53 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 23:00.22 | zoddan | ? |
| 23:00.23 | dendrite | zoddan: Webmin isn't supported in current Debian. |
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| 23:00.31 | jelly | zoddan: it's not there any more. |
| 23:00.31 | zoddan | ok why? |
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| 23:00.38 | Draconicus | amphi: Ah, right... I think I know what you're talking about. I sort of didn't pay attention the last time I installed Debian. :P |
| 23:00.48 | Draconicus | And the time before that was over a year ago. |
| 23:00.55 | Draconicus | I'll figure it out. Thanks. :) |
| 23:01.03 | dendrite | zoddan: Read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 23:01.05 | jelly | zoddan: noone maintained it, and it has a long history of security problems |
| 23:01.11 | zoddan | ok |
| 23:01.12 | zoddan | :( |
| 23:01.20 | zoddan | so what webinterface is there to use then? |
| 23:01.41 | jelly | uh, none? |
| 23:01.53 | zoddan | ok that sucks :( |
| 23:01.59 | dendrite | zoddan: Web interfaces suck, actually... |
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| 23:02.20 | jelly | CPanel is not bad for the end user |
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| 23:02.28 | dendrite | zoddan: I mean, think about it. You want webmin-apache... So, how do you configure Apache, if it's down? |
| 23:02.44 | HellMind | i got a p233mmx with sarge but i want to install the 2.6.14+ kernel, what the is easiest thing to do? |
| 23:02.56 | jelly | !sarge 2.6.18] |
| 23:03.02 | zoddan | anyway, is there a server that i can run so i can connect from my windows client like the Remote desktop? |
| 23:03.03 | mortal5 | howdy all, I have my laptop formatted with ext3, and for some reason, it gets to journaling like crazy |
| 23:03.04 | jelly | HellMind: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | zoddan: vnc |
| 23:03.22 | dendrite | zoddan: RD.. Use vnc. |
| 23:03.33 | zoddan | vnc sucks on windows :( |
| 23:03.39 | zoddan | the mouse is so laggy |
| 23:03.39 | dendrite | zoddan: What doesn't? ;-) |
| 23:03.46 | zoddan | mirc :P |
| 23:03.47 | jelly | dendrite: nx? |
| 23:03.54 | mortal5 | putty! |
| 23:04.01 | mortal5 | that's what doesn't suck on windows |
| 23:04.05 | zoddan | so what vnc-server do you recommend? |
| 23:04.13 | dendrite | mortal5: Or at least, "suck as much." |
| 23:04.15 | zoddan | vncserver or vnc4server |
| 23:04.20 | karsten | zoddan: tightvncserver |
| 23:04.23 | HellMind | jelly if i dont want use sarge anymore? |
| 23:04.25 | mortal5 | zoddan, tightvnc |
| 23:04.25 | zoddan | why? |
| 23:04.27 | zoddan | why? |
| 23:04.39 | jelly | HellMind: etch has a newer kernel by default. |
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| 23:04.57 | karsten | zoddan: It's faster than stock vncserver. NX is even better, and encapsulates SSH tunneling to boot. |
| 23:05.01 | mortal5 | because it has the option of using a higher compression, which looks crapy, but is actually half way usable even over dail up |
| 23:05.17 | abrotman | zoddan: apt-cache search vnc |
| 23:05.19 | zoddan | i dont need to use compression |
| 23:05.21 | jelly | karsten: have you compared vnc4server to tightvncserver? |
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| 23:05.27 | zoddan | running 1Gbit line |
| 23:05.34 | lunaphyte | grr. dist-upgrade is so frustrating. |
| 23:05.39 | zoddan | i just want a good RD |
| 23:05.39 | HellMind | where can i see what kernel use every one? |
| 23:05.46 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 23:05.58 | abrotman | oh .. packages.debian.org |
| 23:06.00 | zoddan | and thats nog so crappy so the mouse pointer is all over the place and so on |
| 23:06.07 | zoddan | karsten, mortal5 |
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| 23:06.27 | mortal5 | can anyone tell me how to step ext3 down to ext2 |
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| 23:06.29 | HellMind | etch is unestable |
| 23:06.30 | HellMind | ? |
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| 23:06.40 | azeem | HellMind: no, etch is testing |
| 23:06.40 | mortal5 | it's journaling like crazy on me for some reason |
| 23:06.45 | zoddan | mortal5: well? |
| 23:06.51 | jelly | zoddan: that is almost unavoidable with vnc. |
| 23:07.00 | zoddan | so there is nothing better? |
| 23:07.08 | jelly | zoddan: there's nx. |
| 23:07.15 | mortal5 | zoddan, ...dude, you asked what i recommended, and I gave you my recommendation |
| 23:07.17 | jelly | which I haven't tried |
| 23:07.19 | zoddan | i want it to be like im sitting local |
| 23:07.22 | zoddan | no lag and so on |
| 23:07.22 | dendrite | zoddan: You're trying to display Linux on Windows, or Windows on Linux? |
| 23:07.26 | zoddan | like the win RD |
| 23:07.27 | HellMind | ther eis gone called gohan :S? |
| 23:07.47 | abrotman | zoddan: vnc |
| 23:07.48 | zoddan | dendrite: linux on windows |
| 23:07.56 | h3sp4wn | zoddan: use colinux |
| 23:07.57 | jelly | zoddan: dude, try it and see if it works well enough for you. |
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| 23:08.21 | zoddan | ok |
| 23:08.25 | dendrite | zoddan: Other option is to look into windows X servers, I suppose. |
| 23:08.34 | mortal5 | abrotman, can you tell me how i would go about stepping ext3 down to ext2? |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | just don't use the journal |
| 23:09.01 | dendrite | mortal5: I believe if you mount as ext2, ext3 file systems degrade gracefully to ext2. |
| 23:09.12 | zoddan | ok i have downloaded the vncserver but it wont run |
| 23:09.13 | zoddan | why? |
| 23:09.15 | mortal5 | so just edit my fstab or what? |
| 23:09.15 | jelly | dendrite: meh, most apps use client rendered fonts these days meaning they're slow as hell on remote X. |
| 23:09.29 | dendrite | jelly: Ah. I guess I have no idea... |
| 23:09.43 | zoddan | how do i start the vnc-server? |
| 23:09.53 | h3sp4wn | colinux is the only tolerable way of running linux if you are forced to use windows |
| 23:09.55 | dendrite | mortal5: That's what I'd do, but I'd do a bit of research first... |
| 23:09.56 | sparr | zoddan: "vnc-server" |
| 23:10.01 | zoddan | what? |
| 23:10.08 | ofer0 | zoddan, did you install it? |
| 23:10.08 | lunaphyte | where do i start to troubleshoot this? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5185 |
| 23:10.09 | jelly | zoddan: you're stepping into the "read the docs" territory |
| 23:10.11 | zoddan | apt |
| 23:11.08 | abrotman | lunaphyte: you check the bts about libsnmp-base |
| 23:11.15 | HellMind | testing/main its like testing/etch? |
| 23:11.22 | abrotman | no |
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| 23:11.26 | lunaphyte | abrotman: ok |
| 23:11.34 | HellMind | why? |
| 23:11.40 | dendrite | HellMind: No, testing/main is like etch/main |
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| 23:12.02 | HellMind | is equal? |
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| 23:12.15 | ofer0 | HellMind, yeah, currently. |
| 23:12.16 | dendrite | HellMind: Some subtle differences. But more or less the same. |
| 23:12.31 | dendrite | HellMind: Won't be equal after etch releases, of course... |
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| 23:12.41 | ofer0 | dendrite, which differences? isn't "testing" a symlink to "etch" on debian servers ? |
| 23:12.44 | HellMind | what is the recomended for automation |
| 23:12.52 | abrotman | automation of WHAT ? |
| 23:12.55 | zoddan | i cant connect to the vnc-serer |
| 23:12.56 | zoddan | server |
| 23:12.58 | HellMind | of the box :D |
| 23:12.59 | dendrite | ofer0: Like I said, won't be equal after etch releses. |
| 23:13.01 | zoddan | how do i start it up? |
| 23:13.10 | HellMind | if you do a update and upgrade |
| 23:13.16 | ofer0 | dendrite, oh, alright. |
| 23:13.18 | HellMind | afeter the release of etch |
| 23:13.21 | sparr | dendrite: stops being equal as soon as etch freezes, no? |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | HellMind: try typing your questions on one line |
| 23:13.29 | dendrite | sparr: Not freeze, but release. |
| 23:13.31 | abrotman | sparr: no .. after etch releases |
| 23:13.33 | zoddan | sparr,ofer0,mortal5,dendrite |
| 23:13.35 | sparr | good to know |
| 23:13.40 | ofer0 | zoddan, vncserver & |
| 23:13.45 | zoddan | ofer0: ? |
| 23:13.45 | mortal5 | for christ sake zoddan |
| 23:13.50 | HellMind | abrotman sorry |
| 23:13.51 | ofer0 | zoddan, what the heck are you trying to do? |
| 23:13.52 | mortal5 | dude google |
| 23:14.04 | zoddan | connect...dah |
| 23:14.15 | ofer0 | zoddan, you do it using vncviewer |
| 23:14.23 | zoddan | i know |
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| 23:14.28 | zoddan | it just says connection refused |
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| 23:14.38 | ofer0 | zoddan, maybe vncserver isn't running? |
| 23:14.45 | zoddan | how do i start it? |
| 23:14.50 | ofer0 | zoddan, vncserver & |
| 23:14.52 | PerfDave | Any suggestions for a lightweight MTA for a low-powered laptop which only needs to deliver mail locally? |
| 23:14.56 | zoddan | i have dont that |
| 23:15.03 | zoddan | it just says connection refused |
| 23:15.04 | HellMind | how apt-setup knows that im using etch or sarge? |
| 23:15.09 | ofer0 | zoddan, netstat -lntp, show output |
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| 23:15.25 | ofer0 | HellMind, apt-setup doesn't exist in etch, so it kinda narrows it down |
| 23:15.33 | zoddan | ofer0: ok, and? |
| 23:15.35 | ofer0 | PerfDave, exim will be fine |
| 23:15.38 | ofer0 | zoddan, SHOW OUTPUT |
| 23:15.48 | zoddan | ? |
| 23:15.51 | PerfDave | ofer0: I know exim will work, I was wondering whether there was anything less general-purpose |
| 23:16.04 | HellMind | aptitude-setup then :S? |
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| 23:16.21 | zoddan | anyone? |
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| 23:16.32 | abrotman | PerfDave: apt-cache search mail-transport-agent .. decent list |
| 23:16.35 | ofer0 | HellMind, ? |
| 23:16.36 | azeem | zoddan: you're supposed to pastebin the output |
| 23:16.38 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 23:16.39 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:16.46 | jacekowski | anybodoy remember which kernel version is in Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (a.k.a. Potato)? |
| 23:16.47 | ofer0 | heh |
| 23:16.53 | zoddan | azeem: how? |
| 23:17.01 | zoddan | azeem: it is on another computer |
| 23:17.15 | ofer0 | zoddan, connect using SSH, copy & paste |
| 23:17.20 | zoddan | i cant |
| 23:17.24 | abrotman | jacekowski: 2.0.38 IIRC .. and a 2.2 |
| 23:17.24 | ofer0 | so I can't help you |
| 23:17.26 | PerfDave | abrotman: Doesn't look like there is one then |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | jacekowski: the documentation is still online |
| 23:17.42 | jacekowski | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:17.43 | stew | !info kernel-image-386 potato |
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| 23:17.51 | zoddan | anyone that knows something about vnc between linux and windows? and how i start the vnc-server? |
| 23:17.52 | ofer0 | jacekowski, 2.2.20 |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 23:18.09 | ofer0 | oops, it was 2.2.16 |
| 23:18.10 | stew | 2.2.20 was woody, wasn't it? |
| 23:18.10 | PerfDave | zoddan: Which vnc server? |
| 23:18.16 | ofer0 | 2.2.20 was woody, yeah |
| 23:18.18 | abrotman | ofer0: 2.2.19 |
| 23:18.18 | zoddan | vnc |
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| 23:18.22 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/base/ |
| 23:18.32 | zoddan | the vnc-server that allows me to connect to the desktop |
| 23:18.35 | PerfDave | zoddan: What's the name of the package you installed for your vnc server? |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | oh .. i got the 2.0.38 correct though :) |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | of course .. he's long gone :) |
| 23:18.54 | zoddan | PerfDave: vncserver |
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| 23:19.20 | abrotman | zoddan: /usr/share/doc/vncserver/* .. read them all |
| 23:19.28 | zoddan | PerfDave |
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| 23:21.06 | abrotman | apt: wb |
| 23:21.08 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 23:21.25 | PerfDave | zoddan: apt-cache vnc server |
| 23:21.32 | zoddan | PerfDave: and then? |
| 23:21.38 | abrotman | you forgot an action :) |
| 23:21.41 | PerfDave | zoddan: VNC defaults to port 5000 IIRC, but you can check with netstat |
| 23:21.46 | PerfDave | zoddan: Sorry, apt-cache search vnc server |
| 23:21.55 | zoddan | PerfDave: and then? |
| 23:21.56 | ji1 | hello guys i need to install perl module PDF::Reuse::Barcode .... how do i find the appropiate package for apt-get? |
| 23:22.05 | HellMind | etch release? |
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| 23:22.24 | PerfDave | zoddan: What do you mean, and then? |
| 23:22.25 | h3sp4wn | ji1: you may have to build it your self look into dh-make-perl |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:22.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:22.54 | zoddan | PerfDave: i have done that |
| 23:22.57 | ji1 | h3sp4wn: are ye sure i found many by grepping apt-cache |
| 23:22.58 | HellMind | !es |
| 23:22.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:22.59 | zoddan | PerfDave: and then what? |
| 23:23.05 | zoddan | PerfDave: what package? |
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| 23:23.07 | abrotman | and then you read the docs |
| 23:23.11 | PerfDave | zoddan: Have you read the output? |
| 23:23.33 | PerfDave | zoddan: Install the one that does what you want. |
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| 23:23.33 | zoddan | PerfDave: yes |
| 23:23.33 | zoddan | PerfDave: .... |
| 23:23.34 | zoddan | PerfDave: dont play stupid |
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| 23:23.45 | abrotman | you are .. why can't he ? |
| 23:23.55 | PerfDave | zoddan: If you want help from people, caling them stupid is unwise. |
| 23:23.58 | zoddan | PerfDave: i allredy have downloaded and installed the "vncserver" package and i cant start the server so i cant connect from the client... thats the problem |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | zoddan: /usr/share/doc/vncserver/* .. read them all |
| 23:24.23 | PerfDave | zoddan: But you said you wanted a VNC server that would show you what you can see on your X display, and vncserver doesn't do that. |
| 23:24.34 | h3sp4wn | ji1: I don't think any of those modules is the one you want |
| 23:24.46 | zoddan | PerfDave:i have a "vncserver" i cant get it to run |
| 23:24.49 | dserban | Hope someone is knowledgeable with software raid. I have (had) a five drive array with a aspare, one completely died and it marked it faulty... the spare was sdh .. but on reboot the kernel doesn't see the failed drive sdf so it makes sdh into sdg... I'm at a loss on how to force the machine to add the spare back into the array |
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| 23:24.57 | ji1 | h3sp4wn, okey |
| 23:25.03 | PerfDave | zoddan: I suggest you read its documentation then. |
| 23:25.04 | dserban | does someone know mdadm well enough to help me? |
| 23:25.24 | zoddan | PerfDave: if vnc dosnt display the display, what package do i need to do tag then? |
| 23:25.29 | h3sp4wn | ji1: If every cpan module was packaged then 1/3 of the packages in debian would be perl modules (according to a cpan guy in this channel recently) |
| 23:25.36 | zoddan | PerfDave: that was my primary question.. |
| 23:25.43 | ji1 | lol |
| 23:25.55 | dserban | anyone? |
| 23:26.03 | PerfDave | zoddan: The apt-cache command will show you all the available VNC servers, pick one which does what you want. |
| 23:26.12 | zoddan | PerfDave: i allredy know that |
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| 23:26.19 | karsten | dserban: Apparently not. Might try a mailing list. |
| 23:26.24 | zoddan | PerfDave: so what package do i need to show the display? |
| 23:26.50 | PerfDave | zoddan: Why do you refuse to look at the packages available to you? |
| 23:26.56 | PerfDave | It's not like there are many of them. |
| 23:26.59 | zoddan | PerfDave: i have done that.. |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | try them all |
| 23:27.12 | zoddan | loool.... |
| 23:27.16 | PerfDave | zoddan: So pick one that does what you want, and install it, and read its documentation. |
| 23:27.19 | tuvwx | zoddan, if you're running gnome, use vino |
| 23:27.32 | zoddan | tuvwx: does that work in windows? |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | are you running gnome ? |
| 23:27.54 | PerfDave | zoddan: Pretty much any VNC server will work with pretty much any VNC client. |
| 23:27.54 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Debian's CPAN defaults to installing to /usr/local, and Debian's Perl %INC includes that, IIRC prior to system, so CPAN installs Should Just Work for the most part, FYI. |
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| 23:28.04 | PerfDave | zoddan: Which version of Debian do you have installed? |
| 23:28.06 | tuvwx | zoddan, it's a vnc server |
| 23:28.16 | StevegPent3 | Hello |
| 23:28.38 | sid | !greet StevegPent3 |
| 23:28.39 | dpkg | Howdy, StevegPent3 |
| 23:28.44 | zoddan | tuvwx: ok |
| 23:28.45 | ofer0 | use TightVNC |
| 23:28.49 | zoddan | PerfDave: etch |
| 23:28.50 | karsten | zoddan: VNC isn't client/server dependent. The tightvnc server / viewer should be faster than plain VNC, but you can run tight <=> plain in any combination as well. I recommend tight. |
| 23:29.02 | StevegPent3 | has anybody here been able to get the DRI package for ATI Mach64 based video to work with Debian "Etch" |
| 23:29.11 | abrotman | dri package? |
| 23:29.23 | karsten | abrotman: That's messed up. |
| 23:29.31 | StevegPent3 | Direct Rendering for the video, enables 3d |
| 23:29.35 | abrotman | karsten: like you're that shocked |
| 23:29.41 | karsten | abrotman: Didn't realize you're on the l/d. |
| 23:29.42 | zoddan | ok i have installed "tightvncserver" package |
| 23:29.46 | zoddan | but i cant connect |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | eh .. mach64 doesn't have accelerated hardware IIRC |
| 23:29.47 | karsten | !win zoddan |
| 23:29.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, zoddan! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 23:29.53 | karsten | zoddan: Start a server session. |
| 23:29.58 | StevegPent3 | abrotman, it is not a "mach64" |
| 23:29.58 | zoddan | how? |
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| 23:30.09 | tuvwx | karsten, are you using gnome??? |
| 23:30.11 | ofer0 | zoddan, I'm telling your for the last fucking time: vncserver & |
| 23:30.11 | StevegPent3 | it is a ATi Rage Pro Mobiltiy with 8mb of Vram |
| 23:30.11 | abrotman | zoddan: READ THE DOCS |
| 23:30.12 | karsten | zoddan: man tighvncserver. Or just: tightvncserver |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | stop being so bloody lazy |
| 23:30.22 | zoddan | ofer0: i have done that like 4 t imes NOT working |
| 23:30.31 | karsten | tuvwx: No. |
| 23:30.33 | ji1 | h3sp4wn, i ran into dependencies :( |
| 23:30.35 | PerfDave | !not working |
| 23:30.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:30.36 | tuvwx | karsten, oops.. sorry |
| 23:30.37 | ofer0 | karsten, vncserver is a symlink to tightvncserver |
| 23:30.45 | tuvwx | zoddan, are you using gnome??? |
| 23:30.49 | abrotman | StevegPent3: so you're using 'ati' ? |
| 23:30.50 | zoddan | tuvwx: yes |
| 23:30.54 | karsten | ofer0: /msg dpkg alternatives |
| 23:30.55 | StevegPent3 | Yes |
| 23:31.08 | abrotman | StevegPent3: so what isn't working then ? |
| 23:31.24 | StevegPent3 | I am just wondering if using the DRi system can improve performance |
| 23:31.35 | h3sp4wn | ji1: You could install it directly with cpan but it would be messy |
| 23:31.47 | zoddan | tuvwx: ? |
| 23:31.50 | abrotman | not likely .. for standard desktop taskss |
| 23:31.51 | lunaphyte | the only outstanding bug for libsnmp-base is for an older version. how can i further troubleshoot the message "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" that is returned? |
| 23:31.52 | tuvwx | zoddan, uninstall any vnc package you have installed and make sure vino is installed. then enable it from the menu: Desktop -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop |
| 23:31.54 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Installing what? |
| 23:32.07 | lunaphyte | are more verbose logs kept somewhere? |
| 23:32.09 | zoddan | tuvwx: i cant run gnome in ssh... |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | lunaphyte: put 'set -x' at the top of whichever script is bailing |
| 23:32.14 | StevegPent3 | bbl |
| 23:32.17 | zoddan | tuvwx: so i cant enable anything like that |
| 23:32.24 | ji1 | h3sp4wn: i tried it but i guess ftp of cpan dont work behind squid proxy |
| 23:32.25 | karsten | h3sp4wn: .. wrt ji1 |
| 23:32.42 | h3sp4wn | karsten: PDF::Reuse::Barcode |
| 23:32.44 | tuvwx | zoddan, you can ssh -X, then run vino-preferences, if you have X on the client |
| 23:32.52 | karsten | ji1: There's an FTP mode for that.... |
| 23:32.53 | zoddan | tuvwx: in putty? |
| 23:33.07 | tuvwx | zoddan, yes, if you have X running on the client machine |
| 23:33.11 | zoddan | tuvwx: i dont have X on any client, i have windows |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | this is getting stupid :) |
| 23:33.19 | karsten | ji1: Um. "passive". Should work w/ most proxies. |
| 23:33.25 | karsten | zoddan: Xming |
| 23:33.30 | zoddan | what? |
| 23:33.31 | tuvwx | zoddan, that does not mean you can't run X. there is X for windows too |
| 23:33.38 | ji1 | karsten: yeah it does and asks for giving ftp proxy and well it starts to download but just stucks at logging in as anonymous on the squid proxy |
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| 23:33.43 | karsten | zoddan: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming |
| 23:33.58 | karsten | ji1: ... or use a different transport. |
| 23:34.01 | EvilDin | hi, how can i install more then one static ip into one mascine |
| 23:34.03 | ji1 | karsten: how do i set it to passive |
| 23:34.12 | ofer0 | EvilDin, you use virtual interfaces |
| 23:34.16 | karsten | EvilDin: Yes. man 5 interfaces |
| 23:34.20 | Kerr | I have a ton of free space on /dev/hdc2 and at the moment no swap partition, as my hda died a horrid death of clicks scrapes and screams :/ how do i set up a swap file? I'm afraid trying to apt-get update will melt my pc if i try without one. |
| 23:34.22 | ji1 | karsten: okey i want to set to http but how? |
| 23:34.25 | karsten | ji1: Dunno. RTFM. |
| 23:34.27 | zoddan | karsten: show me a download link |
| 23:34.31 | karsten | ji1: That's a CPAN config |
| 23:34.35 | karsten | zoddan: Find one. |
| 23:34.37 | EvilDin | how to do virtual interfaces |
| 23:34.38 | ji1 | oks |
| 23:34.50 | tuvwx | zoddan, believe me. vino is the easiest way to connect to your gnome desktop, without using another display |
| 23:34.55 | stew | EvilDin: look at the exmples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 23:34.57 | karsten | EvilDin: man 5 interfaces. Second request. |
| 23:35.01 | amphi | Kerr: man mkswap |
| 23:35.07 | zoddan | idont want a X-server in windows |
| 23:35.07 | stew | EvilDin: a virtual interface would be named something like "eth0:1" |
| 23:35.09 | lunaphyte | abrotman: how can i determine the location of the script that is bailing? |
| 23:35.16 | zoddan | i want a VNC-server on my linux-server |
| 23:35.22 | zoddan | and connect from my windows-client |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/inf/ |
| 23:35.25 | azeem | zoddan: you can setup vino with gconftool-2 I guess |
| 23:35.28 | azeem | thihi |
| 23:35.30 | karsten | zoddan: You've installed one. Start it. |
| 23:35.35 | zoddan | dah.... |
| 23:35.36 | zoddan | how |
| 23:35.38 | karsten | zoddan: Alternatively: netstat -ptvl |
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| 23:35.50 | karsten | zoddan: ... and see if it's already running. Port 7000 or 6000 something IIRC. |
| 23:35.57 | karsten | zoddan: RTFM. |
| 23:36.02 | karsten | zoddan: Umpteenth request. |
| 23:36.09 | zoddan | ? |
| 23:36.13 | stew | zoddan: /usr/share/doc/tighvncserver/* is the docs |
| 23:36.17 | tuvwx | zoddan, try /usr/lib/vino/vino-server |
| 23:37.00 | Kerr | heh.. i so don't trust myself to make a swap file for fear of ruining my root partition |
| 23:37.27 | karsten | zoddan: http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/man/vncserver.html |
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| 23:37.53 | karsten | zoddan: What happens when you just run "vncserver"? |
| 23:38.07 | amphi | Kerr: why not? use dd and then mkswap the file, as the manpage says (I guess ;) |
| 23:38.14 | ji1 | karsten, one weird thing for GD::Barcode .. do check http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329695 |
| 23:38.22 | karsten | zoddan: http://www.tightvnc.com/vncserver.1.html (see "EXAMPLES"). |
| 23:38.29 | karsten | ji1: Sorry, no bandwidth. |
| 23:38.39 | ji1 | :( |
| 23:38.43 | abrotman | maybe it would help if three people weren't giving him different instructions for three different VNC servers |
| 23:38.45 | zoddan | vino is installed but cant connect :( |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | and if you got him to turn off the firewall |
| 23:39.03 | stew | ji1: apt-get install libgd-barcode-perl |
| 23:39.27 | ji1 | yeah stew, i did it and its installed but perl cant find it ...... its the weird thing |
| 23:39.29 | stew | ji1: you shouldn't use cpan directly on debian, first check if there is a debian package and if there is, use that, if not, use dh-make-perl |
| 23:39.43 | ji1 | stew, am following it! |
| 23:39.53 | stew | ji1: what does "which perl" say? and what does "perl --version" say? |
| 23:40.19 | ji1 | 5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl |
| 23:40.35 | stew | ji1: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:40.41 | ji1 | stew, do check http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329695 (unstable) |
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| 23:41.57 | stew | ji1: what happens when you run: perl -e "require GD::Barcode"? |
| 23:42.01 | zoddan | karsten: it asks for password and im setting one and they it says new bla bla and when im looking at the ps aux output it show like 10 lines with vnc:s and one with realvnc |
| 23:42.15 | PerfDave | "bla bla" :) |
| 23:42.18 | ji1 | stew, no output |
| 23:42.34 | stew | ji1: then perl is, in fact, finding GD::Barcode |
| 23:42.35 | jelly | ji1: what seems to be the problem then? |
| 23:42.40 | zoddan | Xrealvnc :1 -desktop X -auth /root/.Xauthority -rfbwait |
| 23:42.45 | zoddan | etc |
| 23:42.55 | stew | ji1: (compare that to the output of perl -e "require Doesnt::Exist" |
| 23:43.05 | PerfDave | Running vnc as root? Nice. |
| 23:43.20 | karsten | zoddan: the password is specific to VNC. There's a VNC set password utility (list package contents w/ "dpkg -L" to spot it), set that to something. Note it's sent plaintext. |
| 23:43.26 | zoddan | ./usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 23:43.36 | karsten | zoddan: Might kill any existing VNC processes to give yourself a clean slate. |
| 23:43.43 | tuvwx | vncpasswd |
| 23:43.49 | ofer0 | stew, perl -MModule::Name -e1 is shorter :) |
| 23:43.54 | zoddan | ./usr/bin/realvncpasswd.real |
| 23:44.04 | ji1 | jelly, am installing koha who's installer is checking for perl's modules |
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| 23:44.13 | karsten | zoddan: On the remote side: specify hostname + display as: host:NN, where NN is the number of the VNC session (0 or 1 to start, then up by one for additional). |
| 23:44.21 | ji1 | stew, perl -e "require Doesnt::Exist" on http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329703 |
| 23:44.23 | zoddan | PerfDave: why care when the computer is only local? and behind like 3 firewalls |
| 23:44.47 | zoddan | karsten: again, im running windows on the client... |
| 23:44.48 | PerfDave | zoddan: Yeah, 3 firewalls will help. Not. |
| 23:44.49 | ofer0 | ji1, he knows what is the output |
| 23:44.51 | zoddan | there is no command line |
| 23:44.53 | EvilDin | am i make virtual interface but, when i use ifconfig -a for that interface doesn't show the traffic, why, what should i do? |
| 23:44.57 | zoddan | PerfDave: why care? |
| 23:45.05 | zoddan | PerfDave: it is a local computer |
| 23:45.08 | ofer0 | ji1, paste the output for: perl -MGD::Barcode -e1, in the pastebin. |
| 23:45.18 | raf256 | ok I reporteda today 3 debian bugs, so where is the free beer&bitches |
| 23:45.25 | PerfDave | zoddan: Running programs... |
| 23:45.30 | zoddan | PerfDave: and? |
| 23:45.34 | raf256 | or was it that god will spawn a ponny? damn I forgot |
| 23:45.42 | PerfDave | zoddan: Never mind. I don't have the patience to explain it to you, and it's past my bedtime anyway. |
| 23:45.43 | abrotman | or someone will club you |
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| 23:45.45 | dondelelcaro | ji1: do you actually have libgd-barcode-perl installed? |
| 23:45.45 | zoddan | PerfDave: why should i care about running vnc as root? |
| 23:45.46 | ji1 | ofer0: no output |
| 23:45.53 | zoddan | "bedtime" lol :P |
| 23:46.03 | ofer0 | ji1, so the module is installed. |
| 23:46.08 | stew | dondelelcaro: he does, and its working |
| 23:46.14 | dondelelcaro | so what's the problem then? |
| 23:46.17 | stew | we don't konw |
| 23:46.21 | jelly | zoddan: running anything as root unnecessarily is bad practice |
| 23:46.24 | raf256 | abrotman: ok you drive, I dont know where gay one are in this town |
| 23:46.37 | zoddan | jello: why care when is its a local computer? |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about gay |
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| 23:46.43 | raf256 | should I report kde apps bugs to DB only or also to kde bugs? |
| 23:46.47 | ofer0 | ji1, wait a sec, I'll check the pastebin again. |
| 23:47.07 | ji1 | dondelelcaro, yeah dpkg-query lists files of the package.. and they exist |
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| 23:47.10 | jelly | zoddan: that's not me ;-) |
| 23:47.11 | raf256 | bug in kgpg, bug in kopete, bug in kaddressbook - all in one day wtf |
| 23:47.19 | dondelelcaro | ji1: what's the actual error? What you've pasted on pastebin that I've seen so far is various -MCPAN commands, none of which have actual errors. |
| 23:47.20 | ofer0 | ji1, what's the problem you are trying to solve ? |
| 23:47.24 | zoddan | jelly |
| 23:47.32 | zoddan | jelly: why care when is its a local computer? |
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| 23:47.37 | volksport | hola |
| 23:47.42 | thug | how do i import myself a key from one ftp site ? |
| 23:48.00 | volksport | can anyone tell me why my new debian install isnt using swap at all, and has 60 load? |
| 23:48.09 | ji1 | am trying to install koha whos text based setup checks for perl's modules but exits on failure of some perl modules |
| 23:48.10 | dondelelcaro | volksport: ps axfu; can. |
| 23:48.20 | ji1 | check http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329695 |
| 23:48.34 | zoddan | jelly: well? |
| 23:48.35 | jelly | zoddan: it's easier to follow the correct behavior later. |
| 23:48.37 | dondelelcaro | ji1: I'm looking at that one, and it doesn't actually show the failure messages. |
| 23:48.44 | thug | how do i install a key.gpg ? |
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| 23:48.52 | dondelelcaro | ji1: the -MCPAN install commands you're using won't actually do anything. |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | thug: man gnupg |
| 23:49.23 | dondelelcaro | (and moreover, you don't want to use -MCPAN, you want to use dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan ...; instead. |
| 23:49.25 | volksport | dondelelcaro: lets ignore the load for now |
| 23:49.30 | ji1 | dondelelcaro: many modules were listed there.... i installed except the last two...... so i guess install them should move the setup forward |
| 23:49.43 | abrotman | volksport: load and RAM/swap usage aren't directly related |
| 23:49.46 | volksport | if the swap is too large, it wont be used right? relative to the ram? |
| 23:49.49 | ofer0 | ji1, show output for "perl -MPDF::Reuse::Barcode -e1' |
| 23:49.56 | dondelelcaro | volksport: no. |
| 23:50.00 | volksport | no.. i mean the server WONT use swap. |
| 23:50.00 | jelly | zoddan: and you don't have to worry about side effects. eg. what happens if you go online with this machine one day and not remember about your root services |
| 23:50.19 | dondelelcaro | volksport: the kernel will use swap if it makes sense to swap something out. |
| 23:50.29 | dondelelcaro | volksport: it has nothing to do with the size of swap. |
| 23:50.52 | ji1 | ofer0, perl -MPDF::Reuse::Barcode -e1 at http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329709 |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | volksport: using 'free' .. is all your physical RAM used ? |
| 23:51.24 | zoddan | jelly: why go online with a test computer that im planning to format in 1month or so? |
| 23:51.28 | dondelelcaro | ji1: you need to install PDF::Reuse first. |
| 23:51.37 | zoddan | jelly: and is in a secure VLAN and so on |
| 23:51.37 | volksport | free |
| 23:51.37 | volksport | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.37 | volksport | Mem: 906736 875656 31080 0 29748 614236 |
| 23:51.38 | volksport | -/+ buffers/cache: 231672 675064 |
| 23:51.38 | volksport | Swap: 2650684 0 2650684 |
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| 23:51.48 | dondelelcaro | ji1: you want to use dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan PDF::Reuse; to install that, and you probably should have done that instead of using CPAN in the first place. |
| 23:51.51 | volksport | oi, 4 lines is spamming i guess ;) |
| 23:52.04 | dondelelcaro | volksport: any pasting is not allowed here. |
| 23:52.12 | abrotman | volksport: you haven't used all your physical RAM yet |
| 23:52.13 | ji1 | dondelelcaro: okey i try to install PDF::Reuse |
| 23:52.15 | volksport | Mem: 906736 875656 |
| 23:52.21 | dondelelcaro | volksport: DO NOT PASTE AT ALL HERE> |
| 23:52.27 | jelly | zoddan: dude, unexpected stuff happens. |
| 23:52.27 | karsten | !tell volksport about paster |
| 23:52.35 | zoddan | jelly: like what? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | volksport: don't you have 1GB of RAM ? |
| 23:52.54 | dondelelcaro | volksport: in any event, you've got 675M free, so there's nothing really that's worth swapping out. |
| 23:53.06 | ofer0 | zoddan, he doesn't know - they're unexpected |
| 23:53.22 | jelly | zoddan: like ANYTHING. "we need a spare machine right now, do you have one cleanly installed? Sure, take this one." |
| 23:53.25 | zoddan | jelly: i dont know how you are doing when you are "planning" but when im planning i know what im going to do with the computers |
| 23:53.27 | karsten | volksport: Not following your issue, might look at vmstat and iostat. Recommended: vmstat 4 10; iostat 4 10 |
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| 23:53.28 | jelly | ofer0: right |
| 23:53.40 | Petrov | when new release of debian? |
| 23:53.47 | karsten | !wir |
| 23:53.47 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 23:53.48 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 23:53.48 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 23:53.48 | zoddan | jelly: who is "we" ? |
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| 23:54.22 | zoddan | jelly: im not giving my computeras away if you think that.. |
| 23:54.40 | jelly | zoddan: Just be happy you live in deterministic system where you don't have to make-do. |
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| 23:57.06 | ji1 | dondelelcaro: dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan PDF::Reuse needs to connect to cpan which i cant as am behind a squid proxy |
| 23:57.08 | jelly | zoddan: dude, I have no idea about your enviroment. Where I work, shit happens and there are times where we have to whip up a working server ASAP, often reassigning a machine to some unforeseen purpose. |
| 23:57.26 | dondelelcaro | ji1: you can download the pdf-resuse tarball manually and use dh-make-perl on it. |
| 23:57.35 | ji1 | okie |
| 23:57.39 | dondelelcaro | ji1: or you can set your proxy correctly which will work too |
| 23:57.43 | EvilDin | hi, how could i make cron script, taht would check status of iptables -nvL, and read what will write and compere some ipis and traffic, and check if the traffic is reached and block that interface |
| 23:57.59 | zoddan | jelly: im at home.. not at work |
| 23:58.01 | dondelelcaro | EvilDin: write a shell script that does that, and then call it from cron. |
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| 23:58.15 | zoddan | jelly: and at work we are only running windows |
| 23:58.26 | ji1 | dondelelcaro: i got that .tar.gz and i DID install it using perl Makefile.pl, make, make install |
| 23:58.53 | ji1 | means i tried that meanwhile and its installed |
| 23:59.33 | zoddan | jelly: and im playing games so i prefer windows |
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| 23:59.57 | EvilDin | am aha tnx |
